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Visual Editor
Visual Editor is now online on the wiki. However, personally, and I have receieved the same view from others, the new editor is a bit of a pain and quite annoying. Now for those user who do not know, you can still use the old editor by changing personal preferences and choosing the "Classic Wiki-editor".

Although I would like toknow what the general opinion of this new editor is and if we should generally still use the old wiki-editor throughout the wiki? Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:46, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

I have seen a lot of people upset about the new editor, including EoGuy, LaptopZombie, and Crim to name a few, and personally have sent messages to some people showing them how to switch back to the old editor. Based on that I'd say the new editor is very unpopular. Perhaps we should hold a vote here. Mscoree (talk) 20:42, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

In Eo's case, he needs source mode- so for him it's justified. I can't speak for LZ, but Crim is being a whiny old fusspot.

I personally love the new system.

22:56, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

With regards to map games, I don't like the new editor, although for editing timelines or general articles I like it. However, I don't know if we as a wiki have the authority to change something on that scale, and I think there would be opposition if we could. I think we should just ensure that people know how to switch back if they want to.

"This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 23:01, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

The new one is garbage except that it makes editing templates easier. I still use the old format  (classic or whatever). I vote to have a vote.

23:47, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

Me, I've always used source mode, seems best to edit on a tablet, In my opinion. Especially if you always use it for wikia XD. Saturn (Talk/Blog) 00:27, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Personally, being new to the wiki, I think that the new editor is better than the old. But I do think that we should have a vote on it. Upvoteanthology (talk) 01:20, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Personally, I hate it. I want to use the old editor and had to change it in my settings. Reason why I don't like it is because it takes forever loading on my crappy school laptop, I also just want to edit particular sections when it seems to edit everything. Aternix !?  01:24, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Advantages:


 * On fast connections, it loads WAY faster cause you don't need a whole new page to be loaded.


 * Makes editing general TL pages and talkpages much easier.


 * Makes editing templates easier.

Disadvantages:

Well, not so much a list of disadvantages as a list of salty old curmudgeons.

01:48, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Source editor ftw, just give people the choice to switch between editors if possible so we are all happy? We each have different preferences and needs for the editor so lets do the best to accomodate as much diversity as possible. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 02:46, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Guns I don't know what you're talking about. For me, on several devices, it takes on average five times longer for the new editor to load. On top of that it makes editing large pages and templates almost impossible, and makes even the most basic edits difficult. I literally tried three times just to sign my signature on TE v. CP, before having to switch to source editor in preferences. Mscoree (talk)

Well, I dislike the new editor (primarily due to the map game issues) and the first day it came out, I figured out how to fix the problem by setting preferences. The new editor definitely needs to be worked out on a Wikia-wide scale, in my opinion.

For now, however, we can manually revert to the Classic or Source editors depending upon our preferences. Are we even sure that the TSPTF can change the default on the wiki, or is this all hypothetical?

I agree that we need to have some sort of a vote on the matter, that or the TSPTF should have a vote on the matter. But, as I indicated, this vote will really have no effect on users who can access preferences. The best solution would be to simply inform people who are upset how to change their preferences in the event that we decide to stick with the system. Yours in Wikihood, 05:50, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Ok, so some like it and some don't. A clear solution is just to put up a guide on how to manually change personal preferences. It keeps both sides happy. I'll put up a guide on here in a few hours. I'll also put up a link for it on the community messages. Imp (Say Hi?!) 09:29, November 14, 2014 (UTC)W

We cannot disable it since Wikia staff made it.IrishPatriot (talk) 12:45, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

No, we can do that. Like what Imp said, just go to personal preferences and let the who want to keep a Classic editor disable it personally. FirstStooge (talk) 14:55, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

I meant we can't remove it completely from the wiki (i didn't mean that we can't disable it personally). IrishPatriot (talk) 15:04, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

No Liker we can completely remove it from the wiki. We can remove it wiki wide. This thread was made to discuss whether or not we should. Mscoree (talk) 15:11, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Why SHOULD we? Some of us like it, some don't, and it takes 10 seconds to change! If you don't like it, go to preferences and click a button, dammit!

23:36, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

I believe at this point the discussion is no longer about banning it outright, as a few users have voiced their opinion in keeping it. I was just trying to explain to Liker that it is possible to remove it hypothetically. Mscoree (talk) 23:43, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

I personally use Source mode for anything except Copy-Paste stuff.

Only use source mode myself.

As for removing it, Ms, no such option. It is here to stay whether we like it or not.

Lordganon (talk) 12:06, November 16, 2014 (UTC)



There is the step by step guide for those confused on how to change editing preferences. Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:32, November 16, 2014 (UTC)

Notice
Many people are drawing similarities between the names of Ratc333 and Ratcolor. They are not the same person. I've talked with Ratcolor. I'd go as far as saying they're opposites of each other. Going to clear this up before this becomes an issue. Thank you.

Crim de la Crème 23:09, November 16, 2014 (UTC)

Woah. I was just thinking the same thing. I was like "could Ratc not have chosen a more imaginative title that Ratcolor?" Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:58, November 16, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I was initially suspicious too, but I love this guy.

Which, note, is almost certainly NOT a ringing endorsement, but still.

00:38, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

End PM3, Vandalization, and more
So, a few users on chat (Tr0llis, Toby2, Harvenard2, Mscoree and RexImperio) have started propagating the idea of forcibly ending pm3. This wouldn't have been such a problem, had one of them (Harvenard2), vandalized the pm3 main page.

Moreover, a member of the TSPTF (Toby2) seems to have indirectly allowed this to happen, as seen below.

Finally, Feudalplague is constantly portrayed as some sort of tyrant who does whatever he wants. Now, I'm not saying he doesn't have some flaws, but this is taking it too far. Sky Green 24 (P, Q ) 14:52, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

My pic 1) is a nod to the ferguson riots, seems that was obvious "Mouse up, dont click" and "End PM3 (swap PM3 with police and ta-da!) Brutality"

2) i have been extremely busy, i dont see guns doing shit either

3) crim has done this before, with the "Pinkie Moderni"" http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Principia_Moderni_III_%28Map_Game%29?oldid=955549

Toby2: THEY CALL ME Mr. Awesome!!!


 * 1) Didn't notice that. 2) I can kind of understand that, and you're only a chat moderator so you can't technically prevent vandalism, only revert stuff faster 3) April Fools, and unlike Harv, a pm3 moderator. Sky Green 24 (P, Q ) 15:06, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

"As much as I like hearing my name through around, I had nothing to do with this. I never once joined in on this, nor did I change my avatar." - a quote from Ms on chat (I think it's safe to say he wasn't involved.) Harvenard2 (talk) 14:54, November 30, 2014 (UTC)


 * Check the last picture in the gallery.  Sky Green 24 (P, Q ) 15:03, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

I can totally vouch for Sky Blocky858 (talk) 14:56, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Ms wasn't actually a part of this, although I can't say the same for everyone else on that list. Upvoteanthology (talk)

This is hardly vandalism, I just put a single image on the page. If you don't want it delete it, but considering Crim once made the entire page comic sans ans pink, and that Toby once put a banner on the page too, I didn't think it was that big of a deal. As for the other images posted and made into avatars, there isn't really anything against the rules there. I just took slogans from chat and made them into images. As for the people involved, ending PM3 was proposed by Nk, then supported by Toby2, Liker, RexImperio, and probably some others. Just saying though, Ms didn't take part in this at all, and Tr0llis (although I do not know his opinion on the matter) said the thing about a revolution seemingly occuring, before going afk and leaving. Harvenard2 (talk) 15:00, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

As many other people have said above, I am not apart of this, nor do I approve of what happened. Before this all began I jokingly said some things about making avatars and what not. I however did not participate in any of that, and didn't expect it to actually happen, or get to this level. Mscoree (talk) 15:06, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

^ Ms doesn't deserve to be credited for this. Upvoteanthology (talk)

Sky, Toby isn't a moderator. Toby is the one who previously put a banner up and that wasn't vandalism, but then when I do I get reported? Worst of all you then report people like Ms who did nothing at all, and were trying to talk me down in PM (which is where I got that quote from him). Sky is as guilty as Ms. Sky seemingly leaves out the screenshots where he provoked them just as much, where he took part in this as well! Harvenard2 (talk) 15:09, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

So wait if a PM3 moderator "vandalizes" a page, is it considered vandalism? Also i find it funny that no one says anything specifically about feud in those pictures, yet we are accused of calling him a Tyrant. Meanwhile Fed, an LT, has compared a TL to al-qaida, and MS to Osama Bin laden. Huh? Toby2: THEY CALL ME Mr. Awesome!!!

Also, Das Fine was me talking about my pic, not about him posting the banner Toby2: THEY CALL ME Mr. Awesome!!!

Sorry, I misssed this- I was elsewhere.

It's the definition of vandalism, Harvey.

It's not vandalism, because Crim is one of the "owners" of the page, basically.

Fed was joking. Ms actually recognized it as a joke, and then called me Hitler- which I too recognized as a joke. If you're honestly going to use that as an excuse...

But honestly, calling someone a tyrant isn't a real offense, or else Ms and his buddies would have been gone years ago.

The thing on chat is fine- I'd have stopped it if I was there, but it's not a big problem- on the page, that's an issue. Since that's been removed, I think a warning here is enough. I'm tempted to take the images off the talkpage, too, since that's quite clear flamebait, and probably a level of vandalism too, but I'm going to leave it up to the PM3 mods- most of em are admins, they'll sort it out.

15:23, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Harv, do you perhaps mean this? I didn't try to "set you up". I'm not saying everyone with the avatar should be banned. But from my perspective it seemed a bit hypocritical that rimp is calling out people to change their avatars, yet not doing it himself. Sky Green <font color="531F72">24 (<font color="A00000">P, Q ) 15:25, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

I did not recognize it as a joke. Tr0llis, who was also compared to a terrorist, confessed that he found the comment really offensive, since his uncle died in Iraq, and as such Fed had to apologize. I never called you Hitler, in fact I distinctly did not call you Hitler, because after I said what I said you were like "I would have preferred Hitler". What I said was a quote that you said, back at you. Followed by another quote by you (which I saved) "calling a wiki user a genocidal terrorist organisation is obviously a joke".

Edit: "First I get compared to the people who killed my uncle, Fed apologizes, and then Guns runs in like "He didn't do nothing wrong Tr0llis obviously laughed it off" Do I look like I'm laughing? Why do you think Fed apologized to me?" - Tr0llis in chat just now.Mscoree (talk) 15:30, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, yes, I apologize. You called me ISIS. Big difference. On chat you actually said that you DID recognize that he was joking- I don't have a screenshot, but I wish I did.

From what I can see, Trollis and Ms (though Ms, for god knows what reason, is now attempting to make the situation worse for himself) played at best incremental roles in this, and don't deserve any punishment. I'm reserving judgement on Rimp, I can't do anything to Toby, and Harvey has taken a 2 hour chatban.

15:33, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

False again, I never called you ISIS. That word was only said once by Fed, I have the logs right here. I said something more along the lines of "What if I called you al-Qaeda?". Mscoree (talk) 15:35, November 30, 2014 (UTC)