Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-32250026-20180109043630/@comment-2236231-20180110110255

DimondTrident wrote: One Lincoln while wanting to avoid war didn't want states to leave so if foreign powers reconinized the csa then war might happen. Second different president would avoid the war. Your joking. While yes Lincoln was the final straw that lead to the south leaving it almost happened many times before and before the civil war tensions were high. Back during the revolutionary war when making the constitution a big issue was slaves and how they would count to states votes. This led to northern states not wanting them to count since the south would hold the power so the 1/3 or 2/3 compromise was made allowing for wither 1/3 or 2/3 of slaves to count. Now I don't remember when or why but Carolina almost left the union years before the Civil war. However the 2 closets times that civil war might happen was bloody Kansas and when a anti slavery man, don't remember the name, tried to arm slaves to rise up. But before the civil war they felt that the industrial north was threatening there farming life style. With more and more abolintionists gaining support the small amount of slave states felt that they north would gain all the power. This would cause the north to more control the southern affairs. If anything Lincoln was just a excuse to finally leave the union instead of waiting for something else to happen. I'm not joking nor expected hosility so suddenly; and was not suggesting that relations would be entirely smooth. I'm aware of the compromise, bloody Kansas, industry/agriculture split; but feel that Secession need not be avoided to avoid war; Secession being avoided would be unlikely but it seems a common opinion that war would happen in all cases of secession (apparently with or without Lincoln by your reconing); and ignores the fact that states like South Carolina had already left the Union before the CSA was formed. It's a common misconception that the states all left at once to form the CSA when in reality they left individually and then of seven of those states to leave (each with a declaration of such) formed the CSA. South Carolina left on the 20th of December 1860 (The CSA being formed in Febuary of 1861 with the Civil War starting on the 12th of April 1861; four months latter). War wasn't immediant and dialogue between the USA and CSA was being attempted but Lincoln hindered such as that would reconize the CSA.

One attempt of Lincoln to avoid war- did happen- I will say that- but by then the states that left had already withdrawn their represenatives. This attempt was one by the previous president, the Corwen Amendment which would make it illegal for the Federal Government to outlaw Slavery. None of the seceding states; due to withdrawing their representivies- ratified the document. The only states to ratify the doccument out of those still in the union where Kentucky, Ohio, Illonois, Maryland, and Rode Island. Lincoln had sent letters to the seceding states urging them to again send represenitives to Congress so the bill could be ratified and war averted with the union intact but the states did not as they had already declared themselves no longer part of the union.

If you like we can distance ourselves from Civil War discussion and focus on a different era of discussion and pick up on cooperation. It's difficult to convey tone in text but I assure you that the above is not written in an angry tone but rather one taken a bit off guard by your implication that I'd 'joke' about something like that while attempting to acquire you as an associate by expressing my own concerns regarding other timelines on the wiki. The PS was a way to express how we may differ but despite our differences, and in fact due to our differences I'd like to work with you. As I've stated; one man's view (mine for example) is narrow but the view of many is broad.