Talk:Seoul (1983: Doomsday)

First, please follow the. All new articles must be marked with the proposal template.

Second, North Korea did not have nuclear weapons in 1983. How the hell would they be able to nuke Seoul?

Third, please read the article if you have not already. It has information that is critical to this article. Mitro 17:04, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot they did. Also, I couldn't mark it with the proposal template because as soon as I created the article, my computer shut down for some reason. Sorry. It didn't turn on until now. PitaKang 17:25, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

And, why on earth would the Chinese nuke them? They had no reason do to so - their enemies were the Soviets, not the Americans. Any nukes to hit the city would be Soviet.

Canon as per the Korea page states that it was also hit by one blast, not several.

Lordganon 22:46, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Oh okay sorry. So it was hit by a Soviet ICBM? PitaKang 02:16, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

Yes. Lordganon 04:07, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

The canon Korea article covers this area in far more detail, plus if Seoul had been hit with a 920KT bomb there wouldn't be much left, and it'd be radioactive, so no population, as the map on the korea page says its radioactive unihabitable, so i don't think this would be able to exist, sorry, but if you want to edit a Korea page i'd talk to Desert Viking they're the major contributer to the canon Korea page --Smoggy80 13:08, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

I'm still working on it.....

but I’m not going to give up on this article. I might change it, but I’m not giving up. Suggestions are appreciated. 69.212.185.170 17:28, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

I kinda agree with Smoggy. I looked at the Korea article and it haspretty much all the needed info for this TL. Roguejedi 21:36, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

why do the "North Korean Soldiers" in these pictures have M16s, American tanks and American Uniforms and WHY ON EARTH does Korea suddenly look like the Middle East?

Why did you (LAZILY) use pictures from some CoD game?! Nukes wouldn't make a desert just like that, or at the very least actually FIGHT IN AND STILL LIVE!!! If it was enough to make a desert like the one in the picture then it was enough to make it so radioactive the "North Koreans" in said picture WOULD BE DEAD, NOT FIGHTING!!!

~anon

Calm down. There is no reason on earth to freak out like that. Do not repeat it.

Pita, he does have a point. It shouldn't be hard to find real images from Korea that you could use instead.

Lordganon 00:42, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, but please don't pressure me. I'm kind of new to this, 1983: Doomsday, but I still really want to make this article. Also, I couldn't find NK soldiers fighting, and I really don't know much about nuclear devastation, so please leave me alone on that. Suggestions are appreciated, but please don't have an outburst like that. Please leave suggestions here. PitaKang 16:33, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

Also, at anon, please don't hide behind an IP address. If you have any complaints, please tell me, but tell me face to face, without a mask on. I know you have an account, you are probably Rogue, Crimson, or DK, so please don’t hide behind that mask. PitaKang 17:50, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

No pressure. Black and White pictures from the Korean War, or even WWII, should do well in many cases, if that helps. The virtual pics you have left do work fairly well, though - it is not too obvious and fits.

That anon IP does not match any other ever used on the site, and all 3 of those users have edited when not logged-out before. Try to not make accusations, please, Pita.

As for the article, it is coming along nicely. Though, we have one problem: You list millions as still living in Seoul afterwards, which goes against the maps on the Korea page, which show most of the Seoul region being radioactively uninhabitable, as would happen with a large bomb going off in the region. The only other reference is to the "villages around Seoul" as being a military district - as in a military zone around heavily radiated areas that no one is allowed inside of.

Lordganon 22:30, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

I noticed you added the cloud from the one map onto the article. However, you missed the point entirely. Seoul as per established canon is an irradiated area, and the city itself is uninhabitable. This article, like other articles on destroyed cities, is more of one on the current situation and what happened in the aftermath of DD there, which is the cloud you mention, for the most part. Have a look at articles on other cities, like New York, Washington, and the like, and compare them to this. Those are what you are aiming for, not this impossibility. Lordganon 01:19, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

Much better, though you should clarify that those people are in the farthest outskirts in the area of the military district mentioned in the Korea article. Also, you should remove references to people actually living in the city, like the picture with the caption "A part of Seoul after Doomsday" and the terrorism ones - kind of hard to commit acts in a non-existent city, as well as a clarification of the location of the memorial not being inside the city itself.

Also, no Muslim terrorists are mentioned in the Korea article, and thus are something that you should not put here. Makes little sense as well. The only active terrorists would be some sort of radical communist types, if anything.

Essentially, you've got things here - and quite a few of them, to be honest - that if anything would be in the Korea article, not this one. As I said, look to the Washington, New York, and Miami articles for inspiration.

Lordganon 02:13, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about accusations, but this guy/girl logged out just for the sake of commenting on here without anyone knowing. That kind of pisses me off. PitaKang 02:15, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

pic problems
I've had a look at the photos on the site I have a few reservations:
 * The world trade centre pic is of a building that hadn't been built in 83, it wasn't started till 84 and finished in 88


 * President Lee Myung-Bak didn't take power until 08 and didn't even get involved in politics till 92, in 83 he was working for Hyundai as vice chairman.


 * Using pics from computer games can be frowned upon by some people on this Wiki as they're not really pictures.

Personally I think that this Seoul page is just repeating what is said on the canon Korea page, and not expanding in on it at all. The number of pics on the page make it look cluttered and give the idea that you are just chasing badges and points rather than making a relevant page.

If you need advice for DD pages there are many authors that will give advice, or even help with research if you need it. But i would seriously think about having a go at a different page, as this one does not look like it will be able to be progressed any further without compromising an already canon page. therre are plenty of gaps in Central Africa where a decent sized nation could be set up.--Smoggy80 18:31, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

I am not chasing points, and personally, I am offended that you would think of that. Also, I knew about the pic of Lee Myung Bak and was about to change it. Also, yes, even though pics from games are frowned upon, they are not disallowed. Look at Y2K Apocalypse. I believe it is from Fallout 3. However, I will not put in any more video game pics. Also, I am not trying to repeat the Korea page, but am trying to extend it as that it does not cover the future of Seoul at all. I appreciate your efforts to help, but I will not give up on this page. Also, this page has a personal appeal to me as that I am a Korean, and I don’t want to make some random African or South American nation I know nothing about and don’t really care about. Thanks for the advise though. PitaKang 18:41, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

If you are trying to expand the Korea page you may be able to merge the pages, and have a section on the Korea page relating to Seoul, rather than a separate page, have a talk to Viking and put it to them as a proposal--Smoggy80 18:46, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, but no. If you have any suggestions on how to improve, I'll take those, but I don't want to simply merge it with the Korea article. PitaKang 19:06, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

It may well be too many pics, but it's not too bad. As for the pics themselves, the building probably should go, for the reason I indicate above, but it can easily be used on the Korea page itself, or wherever, as new construction in another intact city. At Doomsday, Lee Myung-Bak was a high-up in the Hyundai Group of companies, all of which are headquartered in Seoul, meaning he is very likely dead and should be assumed as such. You've fixed the virtual pics enough to make it fine now as well. Lordganon 22:30, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I know about Lee Myung-Bak. I made a mistake on that one. Forgot it was 1983 PitaKang 22:37, February 19, 2011 (UTC)