Board Thread:Timeline Discussions/@comment-7559950-20130911012534/@comment-3428312-20150119220051

Lordganon wrote:

1. I do understand logistics - you do not, and it is obvious. Your so-called "modern" logistics? Guess what the Germans did not use on a meaningful level further east than Poland? That. They didn't even use that during the invasion of France much, ffs. For that matter, the Soviets didn't really use it either, especially west of Belarus. You are applying concepts used by the Western Allies to the other involved powers, in error.

2. That "90%" figure is hogwash and has no bearing in fact. In truth, the vast majority of it pre-dated the war.

It is not a "belief." It is the established fact. That you fail to recognize that is your fault.

3. Statement about their factory machinery is just as false as the railways one.

Not a failed comparison just because you fail to understand it, imo.

4. I suggest you not only have a look at the difference between the words "plan" and "proposal," but also as to whether or not his "proposal" was ever followed. Give you a hint: It wasn't. 1. Actually, this entire paragraph shows a complete lacking on your part, especially when you state that only the Western Allies used logistics. Your claim that the Germans didn't use a system of logistics is completely hallow, and ignores their extensive use of trains for instance. The same goes for France, where they did suffer logistics problem (Overextension, Panzers were moving too fast) that prevented them from destroying the BEF at Dunkirk for example. Your knowledge of that alone should put paid to any claims the Soviets could advance over a thousand miles with a crappy system of logistics.

2. You can now apologize for calling it "hogwash": http://oi62.tinypic.com/sv19oy.jpg

3. Once again, you're incorrect: http://oi61.tinypic.com/2qs839c.jpg

4. As my link outlined, the Finns drew up the plan and then presented it to the Germans. As I also noted IN MY VERY FIRST POST on the issue, the operation was indeed not carried because Mannerheim's determination flagged. I would highly suggest you go read that article, because it decisively outlines that I am completely correct on this matter.