Axis vs Allies: Revolutions (Map Game)

Hello, and welcome to the fourth installment of the Axis Vs Allies series. The last few games, while they were successes, only one did finish and the UN pages and Diplomacy pages were not used very often. I hope to change that this game. Also, I hope all you guys know what I'm getting on with Axis vs Allies, Axis vs Allies: Reloaded, then Axis vs Allies: Revolutions :).

Now, to the game: The year is 1933. Hitler has just taken power in Germany. The world is still in a depression. Unemployment is high. Choose a nation, and command it to success and glory. Will your nation become a superpower? Or will it be crushed? Make no mistake; war is coming... with all its glory... and all its horror.

It is never too late to join.

Rules
1. We are going to limit the nations count to one, as that when a person gets two countries; they usually neglect the other one.

2. The Golden Rule: Treat others as you want to be treated. . . IS NOT IT! But you must be plausible.

3. Nuclear programs may start in 1940.5 We will use Random.org to determine who starts it first and who gets it. Also, it will take at least four years to develop nukes if you are one of the “Big Cheese”. (US, Germany, Soviets, Japan)

4. One Half year per day.

5. Make a profile on the Diplomacy Page.

6. You can be an occupied nation and declare independence.

7. We will have resolutions/stuff when the UN is created at United Nations Page.

8. For now, I am the mapmaker.

9. New turns start at 00:00:01 UTC.

10. We go by half-years.

11. As for nuke use, the last game was ruined because of implausible use of nukes (admittedly, I was one of them), so while I won’t be making a “rule” on nuke use, USE YOUR HEAD! And moderators will be able to roll back edits.

12. Game is archived every 15 years.

13. On the United Nations page, which will be created around 1945-47. There will be a Security Council, with five permanent members, and ten impermanent members. To keep things simple, the impermanent members will rotate on Mondays. It is a three year term. Look at: United Nation Rules for more information. For the non-permanent Security Council, I will decide every turn with Random.org.

Das Mods (Mods)

 * 1) Der Führer PitaKang
 * 2) Der Reichsführer CrimsonAssassin
 * 3) Der Reichsmarschall Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría

Der Kartograf (Mapmakers)

 * 1) Der Führer ChrisL123
 * 2) Der Reichsführer Vivaporius
 * 3) Der Reichsleiter [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imp (Say Hi?!)
 * 4) Der Reichmarshcall [[Image:IMPERIAL NY-SPQR 1.png|25px]][[Image:Regen Flag.png|30px|border]] Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum.

Die Liga der Mathematiker (Algorithmen)

 * 1) Der Führer Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum.
 * 2) Der Reichsführer PitaKang
 * 3) Der Reichsspektur Vivaporius

Der Grammatik Nazi (Spell-checkers)

 * 1) Der Führer EoGuy
 * 2) Der Reichsführer PitaKang

Map "rules"
A few general rules concerning the map as to ensure "success:"


 * 1) Always copy the full-size version of the map to avoid pixelation.
 * 2) Make all nations different colours.
 * 3) Try to make one for each half-year.
 * 4) Coloured circles on nations mean they are a protectorate, client/satellite state, etc. of another nation.
 * 5) It's not always beneficial to draw border lines willy-nilly; if possible, try to find resources such as this to get inspiration.

Changes, Issues and Complaints
Issues cleared.AP (talk) 19:35, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Except (not meaning to sound rude) the fact that the North Republic (Iceland) brought Greenland.

I updated the map to included the Icelandic possessions (Greenland), Turkish protectorates (former Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, and Hungary), the released African colonies (French Central Africa, West Africa, Nigeria, and Madagascar), and fixed issues with the map such as the weird misplaced color pixels. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 01:01, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

I don't have a color on the Map. I'm the Netherlands-Althistoryman11.

I took 18% of Italy Warman555

You mean "I'm being frakking implausible and going on an implausogasm?" Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:45, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Three minor issues. One: it looks like the Faroes are controlled by Denmark (The North Republic bought it from France) Two: (on my screen anyway) it looks like Sweden is the same colour as the North Republic. Three and less majorly: Antarctica is not shown as claimed by anybody. Would it not make sense to colour it in? Thank you David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk) 10:23, December 15, 2012 (UTC)




 * Scraw, I did the algorithm the best I could. Warman555


 * The war itself is implausible. [[Image:IMPERIAL NY-SPQR 1.png|25px]][[Image:Regen Flag.png|30px|border]] Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 06:05, December 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Add on the CAR to the map-R Beal.


 * The area of New Brunswick and Nova Scotia are independent from the U.S.  AND Canada.

Why are the Faroes shown as Danish? I have they have been part of the North Republic for quite some time. Besides which they where French before I brought them! David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk) 09:25, December 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * how ever put laos in the list read the way the game is laos ,vietnam and cambodia dont exist they have been replaced by the kingdom of indochina a japanese sattilite and the japanese prefecture of Tonkin. Nk
 * Denmark retires and give up to the North Rep. I have to go for my map game.Laptop_Zombie 03:53, December 23, 2012 (UTC)

North America

 * United States: [[Image:IMPERIAL NY-SPQR 1.png|25px]][[Image:Regen Flag.png|30px|border]] Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:57, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Cuba: CrimsonAssassin (talk) 20:32, August 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Flag of Canada 1921.svga: User:OreoToast555  |  Canada (A-v-A Map Game Official Page)
 * Flag of Quebec.png Québec 90.244.91.81 now -account The River Nile-2 (talk) 02:23, October 28, 2012 (UTC) 20:27, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Greater Antilles:
 * Haiti:
 * Bahamas:
 * Jamaica:
 * Lesser Antilles:
 * Antigua and Barbuda:
 * Barbados:
 * Dominica:
 * Grenada:
 * Saint Kitts and Nevis:
 * Saint Lucia:
 * Saint Vincent and the Grenadines:
 * Trinidad and Tobago:

Latin America

 * Venezuela: -
 * British Honduras:
 * Honduras:
 * El Salvador:
 * Guatemala
 * Costa Rica
 * Panama:
 * Colombia:
 * Ecuador:
 * Peru:
 * Argentina:Rdv65 (talk) 02:57, September 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Chile:
 * Bolivia:
 * Paraguay:
 * Uruguay:
 * Brazil: Sine dei gloriem (talk) 23:35, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * French Guiana:
 * British Guiana:
 * Dutch Guiana:
 * Mexico:
 * Dominican Republic:

Europe

 * Soviet Union: Enclavehunter (talk) 03:41, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Germany:(DeanSims: Talk) 13:45, November 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * France:Warman555
 * Great Britain:warlordrommel
 * Italy: huntraun65
 * Poland:
 * Finland: I Am Walrus (talk) 00:16, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Norway:
 * Sweden: Inferno826
 * Denmark:Laptop Zombie
 * Belgium:
 * Netherlands:Althistoryman11
 * Luxembourg:
 * Spain: theboss12345
 * Chechoslovakia
 * Portugal:
 * Ireland:
 * Hungary: Stewdio333 (talk) 23:57, September 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Romania: Dustin2557 (talk) 13:30, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yugoslavia:
 * Albania:
 * Greece:
 * Turkey: ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 19:59, September 10, 2012 (UTC) (Destroyed)
 * Bulgaria: Kunarian (talk) 16:34, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Austria: Lynxes21
 * North Republic:David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk) 10:03, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

Far East

 * Japan: Nkbeeching (I called Japan not China, someone else called China)
 * China:Hallen567
 * Siam: -Kogasa
 * Korea: Flag_of_South_Korea.png PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 17:10, August 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Indonesia (japanese puppet)
 * PNG*
 * Indochina (japanese puppet)
 * Tibet
 * Burma:User:AltHistoryGeek
 * Manchuria (japanese puppet)
 * Malaysia

Indic

 * Pakestern
 * Afghanistan
 * Nipol213.232.79.132 15:51, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Botan
 * India: [[Image:1.png|23px]] Warman555
 * Moldives
 * Bangladesh
 * Shri lankah
 * Sickimm

Middle East

 * Saudi Arabia: AltHistoryGeek (talk)
 * Iraq:
 * Palestine:
 * Jordan:
 * Lebanon:
 * Iran (Persia): Ianian58 (talk) 02:30, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * North Yemen:

Oceania

 * Australia: exen99
 * New Zealand:
 * Fiji:
 * Tuvalu:
 * Naru:
 * Vanautu:
 * Solomon Islands:

Africa

 * Zaire: Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 04:38, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Rwanda:
 * Burundi:
 * Egypt:
 * Libya:
 * Chad:
 * Equtorial Guinea:
 * Algeria:
 * Tunisia:
 * Morocco:
 * Nigeria:
 * Tanzanear:
 * Central African Republic (Nation Page-Central African Republic (Axis vs Allies: Revolutions Map Game): R. Beal 15:44, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Zambia:
 * Angola:
 * S. Africa:
 * Kenya:

1980.0
Proof from Wikipedia on the tribal thingy-
 * Global Events: A Brazil-based terrorist group, A Mão Sangrenta,(Bloody Hand) begins world wide operations. No one knows that it was really them who caused the reactor to blow up in Western Brazil. Madagascar joins the Union of South African states. The Soviet Union shows signs of economic depression and internal dissent. (Enc hasn't posted in a long time and if he doesn't post soon, the Soviet Union will collapse earlier than OTL) The Gorbachev government begins to make limited reforms. (I intend to do something like in New Union.) Meanwhile, people in both Germanies begin to campaign for unifications.
 * Okay, this is slowly starting to make less and less sense. Why would all of those nations decide to join the Union of South African States? What threat is facing them? And more importantly, why do these superstates automatically pop up around an alliance in the region? I see nothing of the sort near Japan or the US. ~Viva
 * ​Because, they're scared of YOU. And besides, everyone near or around America or Japan is already stuck in an alliance. Get up and smell the weak coffee.
 * They have no reason to be afraid. What threat could Zaire pose to them? I haven't invaded any of their nations. Heck, OTL Thailand and Vietnam are afraid of China, but they never joined into a larger nation because of it. Sounds like an excuse to me. And I don't drink coffee. And I don't recall China, Siam, Burma, India, Tibet, Indonesia, Nepal, or the Phillipines being apart of any alliances, nor the Latin American nations, which in OTL hated YOU. In fact, if you actually read historial accounts of Africa in the 1980s, they were not only opposed to South Africa, but more united because of the Pan-Africanism rage on the continent. Wake up and smell the logic coffee. ~Viva
 * Nepal and Siam are alies.90.244.92.253 03:18, December 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * But they aren't allies with Japan from what I can find. ~Viva
 * I hate to curse, but this has reached a tipping point. Why the f(iretr)uck do you always compare EVERYTHING to OTL. China, Siam, Burma, India, Tibet, Indonesia, and Nepal are already in the EATSP. Look up the past. And, the Phillippines are a US Commonwealth, like Cuba. And, South Africa exited the apartheid period just a few years ago. Why the damn hell don't you bother reading the past turns?
 * I did. But you never stated that the revolution was over. And as Pita stated himself, since you never tampered with the region, its development was the same as OTL. And I compare everything to OTL for the sole reason that as you yourself, in your wisdom, did the same for Turkey and Liberia, completely disregarding any progress I made for the nation and refusing to acknowledge it as a major power after my endless attempts to moderize and industrialize it, and treating it as a minor third-world nation, i.e. with AP's smirky remark that my 30+ years of infastructure development only closed a highway gap for the camels. And you still ahven't answered my question as to how Zaire would threaten the nations, when all the nations that joined me grew rich. ~Viva
 * You don't get the whole OTL-ATL thing. You can only use history that happened  BEFORE  the game started. The rest ishistory. And you threaten them, you do. They're not blind. They saw your subterfuge and sneakery that you used to force other nations into your union.
 * Stop coming up with excuses. How did I "force" them into my union by asking them polietly? I ask them to join without threatening them. When Burundi refused, I didn't invade it even though I could. Could I say that the US forced all of the NATOC members to join because you asked them to? Pita stated that Africa developed much the same way as it did because of lack of player intervention. If you are really loyal to him, then what he said is true, and the OTL-ATL matter shouldn't be an issue. ~Viva
 * all i can say is that im surprised for a brazilian alqaeda, also i think something like this should or would happen on Mexico, and China, its more plausible Sine dei gloriem (talk) 01:25, December 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Are Lesotho and Swaziland still about or annexed?
 * They are independent, but are likely to join the Union of South African States. Viva, do you think that South Africa-With a much larger economy than yours- would allow you to spread your influence like that? No, simply put.
 * Actually, given the sanctions on South Africa OTL and ATL by this time, and the actual GDP of the nation (which was approxcimately US$80.547 billion in 1980 according to Wikipedia), compared to Zaire, which has grown economically since the reforms, and the development of its industrial capacity (which was second only to South Africa OTL), and the nations that are under the AEC's control, my economy is larger than South Africa's. Especially given that by 1985, South Africa's GDP dropped to US$57.273 billion. Compared to Zaire (and lets use OTL numbers for this one), my economy is US$54.277 billion. South Africa may surpass me there, but many of the nations I control were undergoing economing downturns because of corruption and war. Now, given the ATL growth of my nation's economy (since I saved the economy from collapsing and agressively pursued industrialization), as well as counting those nations which joined up with me, my GDP is close to $100 billion. And why would any nation want to join racist South Africa? They wouldn't. There's a revolution going in ATL South Africa, but it hasn't succeded appearently. So given that I'm larger and stronger than South Africa as recent turns have proven, and OTL has confirmed, in the words of Nk, those nations would rather join me than South Africa. ~Viva
 * No. South Africa would not let you get ahead of them; just because it's an NPC doesnt mean that they just sit frozen while you get rich. Therefore, they have a larger economy and will maintain it that way. The revolution is over, they overthrew the apartheid government last year. 
 * And still you disgard my economic development. South Africa is rich, but compared to the larger and more resource and manpower-blessed Zaire, it won't hold a candle to it by the next decade. I already surpassed it economically given the fact that I have more accessable resources (for which I have developed mining facilities), more transportation (as outlined in the last turns), and more manpower. Heck, I've got 106.4 million citizens. South Africa alone only has 24.2 million. Even if I gave each citizen $2000 bucks (about the same as South Africa at the time), way below what they actually because of Zaire's work, the Zaire would still have more money that South Africa (about $266 billion), until 2006 when their GDP's meet. However, given the natural laws of economic growth, Zaire would still remain ahead of South Africa's economy regardless of anything. Zaire has more people and resources, and as of 1974, effective leadership. So no matter how you want to look at it, South Africa can't compete with the natural resources or population growth of Zaire. OTL or ATL-wise, Zaire will always have more natural resources than South Africa (a few diamond mines and aluminium plants count for only so much). The US and Russia grew fat off of their own untapped resources and became superpowers because of them, and now Zaire will too (since I have $24 trillion bucks worth of them, and I have the most resource-rich land on the face of the planet). ~Vivaporius, Dragon Slayer
 *  XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!  SUPERPOWER? You make me laugh. South Africa will always stay ahead of you. Why? Money is power. And, the USAS has much larger and better foreign relations you do. And, in proportion, about, what, 37.2% of the people you "conquered" have any intention of remaining with you. Have you learned NOTHING from Turkey? My extended family lives a few blocks away from me. There's a reason we don't live together. Same with you and these other nation. Hell, decolonization meant independence, something the colonies wanted since  before  1900. They're not going to join up with their kinsmen. When a person turns 18, you do not want to be found still living with your parents. Same story here. 
 * ^ Exactly. You really don't change Viva. You're the same person you were when you wanted to take over French West Africa as Liberia. Same with Turkey. Same with Zaire and the X amount of nations you do the same kind of strategy with OVER AND OVER.
 * You appearently weren't around when I was playing PPII, Things Got Worse, or LLL. learn to do your research before you post. And I don't know your family, but mine seems to be perfectly content living together. ~Viva
 * Indeed. But since our blind friend Scraw can't read, allow me to walk you through my "conquest" as Zaire. I asked my members to join, and they agreed. No troops, no bombs, no dirty emails. Invitations. As for the superpower deal, the United States had tons of untapped resources, and with an industry to match, we used them to fuel economic growth, production, and political power. Zaire was confirmed to have the most natural resources on the planet. Look it up and read it. South Africa has money, but by the 1990s, its will have far less than Zaire since no matter how powerful you are, you still need oil, you still need steel, and you still need rubber, all of which I have plenty. There are no other nations that surpass Zaire's rubber industry, as you and AP stated yourselves with Liberia. There was a reason Japan waged a war and lost, bomb or no bomb. It needed oil, so it invaded China, Indonesia, and Indochina for the resources needed to wage war and grow. It fought the US, and then it got outproduced and defeated. South Africa has resources, but nearly the amount as Zaire, nor the manpower or industrial capacity (ATL-wise). And something you still haven't gotten Scraw was that while the African nations wanted independence, they wanted it from the Europeans. There is a reason why the whole United States of Africa deal is so popular over there. Eritrea, Zimbabwe, Ghana, and Senegal have even promoted, and we've all heard about Libya's outspokeness in trying to make it a reality. Pan-Africanism in 1980's Africa was high. Get that threw your head. If you took five seconds to actually do some research, you would have heard of the, which sought to create a federation of African nations. This was the same organization that succeded in forming the Organization of African Unity, which became the African Union, and which many believe will one day form the United States of Africa. ~Viva
 * Stop fighting at Christmastime, sirs!90.244.92.253 15:23, December 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Canada: NATOC is currently discussing expanding/renaming itself to allow for international expansionism. Super-Highway across the nation is finished. The prototype for the Antartic nuclear generator is to be tested this year, and to be installed in power plants by 1984.
 * CAR: David Dacko orders the building of several new churches in the southern CAR. Trade talks are offered to the USSR, Australia, Burundi, Ghana, the USA, the W.A.R., Libya and the Union of South African States (mods can chose if the grey NPC states agrees or not). Japan’s small reactor in Bangui is nearly completed, but is quietly closed down and scrapped after the Brazil accident caused several notable anti-nuclear protests in Nola and Bengui that year. 100 troops and 50 teachers are recruited. 1,000 priests and 200 mullahs take up there spiritual mission. A new Lignite fired power station is built in Nola and it’s bigger brother will be completed in Bira in 6 months’ time. The Kinshasa-Bangui railway link is said to be the most critical railway link in Africa. A mutual beneficial freight and passenger line from Cameroon port of Kribi to Bangui, via Yolande and Nola is passed in to law (mods can chose if the Cameroon agrees or not). A suspicious fire burns down the new Bangui Central Bus station and 1 fireman dies. Security is strengthened in the capital, in Nola, at ex-president Bosaka’s jail house and around the Uranium mines.
 * Hungarian Diplomacy: Are you still offering traditional art, the Hungarian Cultural Program plans to increase attendance at the Republican Museum in Budapest, despite the collapsed economy.
 * The US continues its important superpower stuff, and we work on our space program. The design for our Mars rover is completed and we begin construction. It will be finished and launched in 1984. Meanwhile, Geraldine Ferraro wins the Democratic nomination, and chooses James Carter as her running mate. Meanwhile, Half-Nelson Rocka Fella gets the Progressive nomination, and selects Rob Dole as his running mate. We agree to let the Germanies unite if the Soviets agree.
 * Japan: with the Soviets showing signs of weakness Japan considers a possibility of taking the rest of Karafatu and possible restoring outer Manchuria to its historic owner but all plans are shelfed for the time. The war in China is coming to a close and Japan along with the new East China Government offer amnesty to all insurgents who surrender. Emperor Akihito in a public speech vows that Japan will keep its word on withdrawing from the new state of East China and promises full econmic support to the new free state. Economic growth continues in east Asia as the Market is once again amongst the strongest in the world, and annual earnings are at the highest they've been since the pre-war. East Asia promises to remain within the East Asia market but says it will withdraw from the military alliance something Japan accepts. The space program is back on track and the space station resumes construction while another communication sattilite is launched. research into fussion continues along with the other scientific programs. aid is sent to the new south african government and financial investment in the economy of south africa begins. Research into alternative means of fuel begin mainly bio-fuel and solar energy, and security around alll nuclear facilitis are hightened but will not be ended as nuclear nergy is the primary source of Japanese energy. a political campaign begins to alienate the ultra-nationalists and it is largely successful as many agree that the age of militarism and expansionism is at it's and and the empire should embrace economic dominance over military control.
 * Zaire: The government continues to modernize the states within the AEC, and connect the cities outside of Zaire to one another. The AEC council votes to include recently conquered Zimbabwe within the organization, and Kenya is offered yet another to join (RNG: 1-4 yes, 5-10 no; 1 yes), which it finally accepted to join. Using the combined resources of the alliance, the AEC votes to start its own space program, and build a space station of its own as a symbol of African power and unity. Economic reform in Burundi continues swiftly, and the distribution of wealth continues without problem. The AEC begins to turn its eyes north for members to join the alliance and share the wealth coming out of the progressive member states.
 * That's implausible, RNG or no RNG. And the space station? As if space program isn't stretching it enough. Wait until the 1990s to start, expect to finish in the 2020s.
 * Iear- He could join Agentina's program.
 * Nigeria, South Africa, and Egypt all have active space programs, and Nigeria (note this,  NOT South Africa) already launched three of its own locally-built satellites. And you stated yourself that the nations would only join Zaire for cultural, lingustic, and ethnic reasons. The eastern half of Zaire speaks Swahili, and that's some 10-15 million people. Its perfectly plausible (Uganda, Tanzania, Rwanda, and Burundi all members of Zaire), and you have no issue with me aquiring them before. What's the matter now? ~Viva
 * I agree over the Swahili kinship and culture thing.90.244.92.253 15:23, December 25, 2012 (UTC) 
 * Brazil:the affected areas of the Western Brazil are scouted by the Scientist to study the Damage of radiation levels into the Environment, and how much it may affect, some of those wonder what was the reason of the failure pushing the government to open a Investigation on the Accident, but this is ignored by the President as the elections begin, and in the end this is what makes him lose, as his main opposition-er Joao do santos expose this leaving him in a bad position in the eyes of the Brazilians,Joao thanks to this wins the Elections, and promise the Brazilian people further rights in politic including that the inhabitants of the Amazonas regions can vote with greater ease that in the past, he as well begins the construction of the Pacific Amazonas Via to connect the regions of the Brazilian federation to the Conquered areas of Peru.the President declares that democracy has returned to Brazil, and that the next Elections from president will be in 1984
 * Hungary: President of Hungary, Pál Losonczi, passes away at the age of 60 (much younger than OTL, where he lived to 85). Since Turkey fell in 1972, the Hungarian economy has begun to slide, and now, with reports that the Soviet's economy is in danger, Hungary has entered a level of recession, not seen since after World War I, especially with the Soviet Union sending less money than before. Slovenia remains Occupied by Hungarian troops, which has been repeatedly under attack by Slovene rebels and Croatian mercenaries. The planned Hungarian Coast Guard, which would be Hungary's first Naval force since Austria-Hungary fell, does not go to well, due to the difficulty of bringing over Soviet and Turkish Frigates to the sea, especially with reports of Greek and Croatian strike attacks on the ships.
 * CAR D: A mutualy beneficial freight and passenger line from Cameroon port of Kribi to Bangui, via Yolande and Nola is passed in to law (Whilst every one is moaning about S. Africa, I'll do a RNG on this valuable line instead of asking a mod).(RNG: 1-4 yes, 5-10 no; 2 yes). Trade talks are offered to the USSR, Australia, Burundi, Ghana, the USA, the W.A.R., Libya and the Union of South African States (mods can chose if the grey NPC states agrees or not). The CAR starting up the Gbaya kinship propaganda mill again and begin to subvert a few of their tribal brothers in Cameroon!
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gbaya_people
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gbaya_languages
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nigeria_Benin_Kamerun_Sprachen.png
 * Argentina: welcome the idea of the German reunification and the fall of tension across the world. The civilian project gain priority over the military project. Hungary is approached with financial support if he join the western bloc. Support to help Brazil continue and the research to strengthen the nuclear reactor continue.

1980.5

 * Global Events: A Mao Sangrenta begins attacks in coastal areas of Brazil. Car bombings occur in Recife, Rio de Janeiro, and Sao Paulo. In another one of their plots, they stage a nuclear "accident" at a nuclear power plant in Patagonia, Argentina. Communist hardliners attempt a coup against Mikhail Gorbachev; they fail but, in the confusion, Gorbachev is killed throwing the Soviet Union into chaos. On a positive note, a man named Nelson Mandela is popularly elected as President of the Union of South African states. He is a natural-born leader that will advance his country even further as Africa's leading economic power. Meanwhile, Boris Yeltsin seizes power in the Soviet Union. With the help of Boris Pugo and Gennady Yanayev, they reform the USSR into a triumvirate dictatorship, with the three of them holding ultimate power. In reality, their designs are to reform the USSR and its allies/satellites/puppet states into one massive socialist republic. (Note: not the same as the USSR. More like OTL China.) In Romania, a massive anti-communist revolution starts up. Both sides refuse all foreign aid. Sweden and Norway enter a union when the King of Sweden dies and his daughter, the Queen consort of Norway, inherits his throne. When she and her husband die, their eldest child, Harald, will inherit both thrones as per the Acts of Union passed by both Parliaments. In Africa, the nations north and west of the CAR ask to join it.
 * Okay, now this is just powergaming. You coming up with excuses to keep Zaire from expanding, and then coming up with p*** poor reasons as to why they would want to even though I haven't threatened them. ~Viva
 * Dude, as soon as any nation starts gobbling up other nations, the nations that haven't been gobbled join forces to either A: beat the schist out of them. Or B: Help each other. JOIN or DIE. ~ Ben Franklin


 * Siam: Military continues being built up. Surakiart Phathanothai releases the second issue of Garden of the Sun; Miko, Koishi and Kogasa continue finding some clues, and their trail leads all the way close to Tierra del Fuego.
 * CAR:  More cars and vans are made. The burnt down bus station is rebiult. Nelson Mandella is hailed as a hero in the CAR. The union offer is taken up and so the Camaroons (the Gbaya propaganda is still in use) is invited as is the Chad, EG and STP. The sparse northern provinces of 21, 6, 7, 4, 9, 5, 1 and 17 on this map [] leave Chad in a nationalist islamic way, since they are Arab, Breber, Tombou and Sudanese Arab types and they boast there pro-Libyan and pro-Sudan credentials. Chad's Province 9 rioted and joined the W.A.R. since it's all Fracaphone OTL Niger types. The largley Christian south becomes a client state. The states of North, Adamawa and East [] join there Gbaya brothers in the CAR and the rest becomes a client state, save for Exstreem North,  who joins South Chad. Anglophile Northwest Province riots bady and joins Nigeria on grounds of culture, tribe and creed. ties with San Tomme and Pricipe are strengthened if they want it. Equtorial Guinea just gets shirty and moody, they say nah, not intrested. The CAR says it's expanding is over. A new drive begins on a Bangui-Kinshasa motorway to go via Brazaville and Nola. The Mokambo Copper mine project on the Mufulira, Zaïre is awsom and David Dacko sais he thinks it’s Africa’s gratest.
 * I don't see why Ziear could not join the Argentine/Brazilian space program, if they agree.
 * Why all this bickering at Christmas?90.244.92.253 14:57, December 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Reed this on major Ziear mines- .


 * I will only be here for the game and thus only need a IP for the period, unless it's a legal must to have accounts. 90.244.92.253 12:36, December 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes it is. You must have an account to play the game. I was not previously aware that you were using your IP. Also, did you hear about the nations that want to join you?
 * Argentina: the government is shocked about a second nuclear incident in south America is such a small peiod of time and order a investigation to be made. However, the government begun to suspect that the one  who plan the recent terrorist attacks in Brazil are responsable. The security is increased.