Talk:Republic of Vermont (1983: Doomsday)

Ugh. Apologize for the lack of an edit summary - chalk it up to my inexperience. Mitro, thanks for moving this over. --BrianD 13:20, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Vermont already has a neat flag to symbolize its independence, used by the 18th century Green Mtn. Boys and the modern day Vermont National Guard. I don't know if this TL's Vermonters are more likely to use this flag or invent a new one. Benkarnell 19:00, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

I'll try to move it over, but be warned I'm still learning the ins and outs of the wiki.--BrianD 02:06, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * Are you saying you want to use it, or you'd rather wait for somebody (or yourself) to invent a new one? If you want to use the Green Mountain flag, I can add it to the article.  Benkarnell 03:25, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * I do want to use it, as it fits with the history of the region. If you want to add it to the article, feel free to do so!--BrianD 03:42, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Ben, I do indeed have a flag! Thanks!--BrianD 03:51, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

New Hampshire
sounds good! does the republic include parts of New Hampshire?--HAD 11:51, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * that's what I'm trying to figure out. Canon thus far has never really indicated that New Hampshire exists as any sort of political entity, so I'm leaning towards some type of Vermont control. Perhaps the state government there fell apart admist the chaos and the surviving city-state of Manchester and townships looked to the Montpelier government for stability.--BrianD 13:00, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

that depends on what happend to New Hampshire. Were there any SAC bases there, any important military falcites?--HAD 14:25, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

turns out there was a SAC base in new hampshire. FB-111's to be exact. --HAD 14:27, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

There are naval shipyards in Portsmouth. The SAC base (Pease Air Force Base) was in Portsmouth until 1991--BrianD 14:32, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

gooddbye, portsmouth. nice knowing you. --HAD 14:35, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * The Aroostook page says: "Victories in southern Maine has once again allowed proposals for a "Greater Aroostook" to be taken seriously. Negotiations with the survivor communities in New Hampshire and Vermont about joining Aroostook, however, have been met with some resistance. The communities in the two former states have evolved their own identity in the years since Doomsday and are uninterested in being absorbed by Aroostook. A comprise proposal to create a "Confederation of New England" that would act as an economic and political union has gained some popularity in the region." I think that fits in nicely with what we've been talking about!  Benkarnell 16:30, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ben, and everyone else, take a look at the Vermont article now. I think I've resolved the issue of an independent New Hampshire and came up with a plausible way for the initial beginnings of a nation of Vermont. I still have to flesh out the issues with the survivor townships in the north (referred to in the Aroostook article), as well as Vermont's skirmishes and battles with the Lawrence raiders and other regional warlords. Also, I want to establish sentiment for the establishment of New Hampshire as its own Republic building up in the 2000s.--BrianD 16:42, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think it makes sense for NH to seek Vermontese protection, with the situation in NH so much worse. And it fits canon: the Aroostook page does say that VT and NH have "evolved their own identity", not "their own identities."  I'm in favor of de-propping this ASAP.  Benkarnell 23:49, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * Looking back at that item on the Aroostook page, I understood Aroostook to be negotiating with the survivor communities on their border - which I wrote up as if they evolved separately not just from Aroostook but from Vermont. If we can interpret the Aroostook page to be referring to all of former Vermont and New Hampshire, I'm for that, and would rewrite the Vermont page to reflect Aroostook's attempt at a merger. I still want to keep the communities in the far north their own entity, for now, because I have an idea about them being influenced by the Raiders, and Saguenay, to stay independent of both Vermont and Aroostook.--BrianD 00:00, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Revising early history because of canon
I decided to revise the early history of Vermont and while I don't know if that's allowed, I had the best intentions.

There is a line on the timeline page which reads,

"By Christmas, Hawaii is the only US state with a functioning government..."

I had Vermont's state government still existing after Doomsday.

I changed the scenario to allow for the survival of Governor Snelling and enough stability within the state to restart the state government soon after DD.

I'm certainly open to correction here, but I want to honor canon and be realistic while doing it. You can't have Vermont with a stable government weeks after the bombs go off when Hawaii has been said along to have the only functioning state government in December.--BrianD 04:18, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * You can change things, sure -- especially if it's to work with canon! I've read your changes, they're fine with me. --DarthEinstein 15:00, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, DarthEinstein!--BrianD 15:28, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

New map
My attempt at drawing the borders for Vermont, Aroostook and the independent survivor communities that border them. I probably messed up the Aroostook borders (I tried to include Bangor). Vermont's borders are in red, Aroostook in orange, the survivor communities/northern townships in blue:



Aroostook also extends into New Brunswick. --DarthEinstein 01:26, October 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * I forgot! Thanks. I'll make the fix.--BrianD 01:27, October 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * Just a minor cosmetic thing: with all the chaos and nomadism of the world today, the current borders probably don't exactly follow the straight lines of the old states. Unless this map shows the government's claims, which might follow the lines. Benkarnell 01:28, October 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * It does in regards to Vermont. As far as old Maine goes, Vermont's border stops at the old New Hampshire/Maine border, as Vermont considers Aroostook to be the successor to Maine.--BrianD 01:36, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

i like this map! until now i had no clear idea where Aroostook actually was! --HAD 08:26, October 21, 2009 (UTC)