User talk:Lordganon



Mitro 03:10, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Archive, Archive 2, Archive 3

Congratulations, Lordganon


You are the winner of the 2011 Stirling Award for Best Writer in a Community Timeline in 2010 for your work in 1983: Doomsday. Though you technically won the award a while ago, I officially congratulate you for your achievements and formally present you with this award. Good luck in the next year! Red VS Blue 17:56, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

USSR's map
Hey LG, I'd like to ask for a favour, if that is ok with you. I was wondering if you would be willing to create a new map for Siberia after the new expansion takes place and is finished somewhere between early May-late June. I'm still sort of leaning towards a push in the direction of the north, but I was hoping to do one towards the south, around five to six months after the one in the north. I decided on this after I looked at Kazakhstan more thoroughly and realized that the USSR didn't have to a large area of Kazakhstan to reach Aralia, only around half of Aktobe and a large part of Kostanay, which would benefit them if wheat could still be grown there.

In any case, let me know if your up for it.--Vladivostok 17:30, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, well, lets look over what I had in mind then. I was thinking of them controling that small part of the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug they aren't already. I was thinking they would expand slightly in Komi, so they would control about half of it. The Arkhangelsk oblast would then take up the majority of the expansion, around 3/4 of it within control. The whole SK annexation happens as planned of course. However, I wasn't sure about Murmansk Oblast. It is fairly empty, other than the Sapmi state, and they aren't really that friendly with the NU. Possible occupation?

Oh, and it would be great if the USSR map would have the various territories and republics highlighted, like the current one has. Once again, thanks for doing this, the current map is getting a bit grainy, lol.--Vladivostok 09:37, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

Well ok then, that is a bit disappointing, as one of the other reasons to enter the region was a port in Murmansk to give them some access to the Atlantic again. Although a port in Arkhangelsk or former SK would probably work just as well. My plan for announcing this was as follows: I'd announce today that the forces amassing on the USSR's western borders were indeed sent out to grab land and to formally annex SK.

Then, I'd also write that the start of this move would take place on the 5th of May as well. You don't have to finish the map by then, there is no rush, as it would take some time (a month, probably more) to acquire the land and secure it. The name I was thinking of would be something like the Northwestern Territory, but I'm open to suggestions.--Vladivostok 10:06, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

I have just now realized I accidentally reverted one of your edits to the Doomsday page. Sorry, I didn't mean anything by it, I was just checking some of the edits on a mobile device and clicked revert by mistake. I welcome the edits and making the list more complete for the USSR.--Vladivostok 17:28, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

Macedonia-Serbia War
So you said that we should wait until may to explore this idea further, and I don't want to appear the one who's been waiting for like a month for this, but I wanted to hear your ideas on the subject. Ownerzmcown 17:53, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

So what do you think the land differences would be after the war? Ownerzmcown 20:47, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

Actually I've come to like the idea of what I would call the United Kingdom of Serbia and Macedonia, or if Montenegro is involved, it could just be called the United Kingdom of Yugoslavia. I was thinking Turkey would become involved, too, being with Macedonia in the MDL. Each of the countries getting their claims sounds good, Bosnia I would think, if involved, would get back hte other half of Bosnia. Thoughts? Ownerzmcown 21:59, May 5, 2011 (UTC)

I guess I see how that would be quite a quandry with the name, but the deal with the Greeks would make sense, as the Macedonians would have a lot to gain from making the deal. But as I remember being told, Croatia, if not attacked directly, wouldn't want to be in the war. Ownerzmcown 10:54, May 6, 2011 (UTC)

What if the country was officially named the United Kingdom of Macedonia, Serbia, Montenegro, and Kosovo, but popularly be called Yugoslavia. Like how the UK is not techinically called Britain, but most people call it Britain because its easier and about right. But if you want a different name, then we'll still have to think it out. As per the war, I was thinking the nationalist government would try to expand the armed forces as much as possible to give the country a big voice against any foreign claims. And if the war were to start, then I would think it might begin as either an attempt to retake southern Kosovo, or take the remainder of Bosnia, or, if we choose, to take back land lost in their war. Or it could be a combination of the three, if we choose. Ownerzmcown 22:25, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I get it, so the United Kingdom of Yugoslavia idea is dead then, oh well. I guess we'll still have to think of a name, would could just keep Macedonia, but that would probably piss off the conquered locals. As per the fight, I would imagine it starting as the Serbians using military threats on the Macedonians to regain southern Kosovo. The Macedonians would respond via the MDL with a threat to Serbia to renounce their action, possibly combined or followed by a naval blockade and the declaration of a no-fly zone. The no-fly zone would be enforced by Macedonian MiG-21's and Turkish F-4's stationed in Macedonia. Ownerzmcown 23:05, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

So this is a map of how I could kind of imagine the war going, but this is just a prototype that can easily be modified. What are your thought? Ownerzmcown 12:58, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

So I like your idea, of course details come later, but as per the naval war, I would like to keep that at a minimum. Macedonia has a lot to gain from keeping as much of the former Serbian fleet after this war as possible. By the way, BSA sounds interesting, anyway I can help with it, or you just want to keep that to yourself? Ownerzmcown 10:37, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

So, LG, when exactly do you plan to make this all happen anyway? Ownerzmcown 10:45, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

I was wondering if you could get me a map of Serbia so I could work out a definite invasion route of some kind by map? Ownerzmcown 21:58, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

Well the names are all Roman and Byzantine, which I don't think would slide with modern people in the area. Ownerzmcown 20:05, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

Well, along the lines of strategy, and this is not much detail, I'd imagine the Serbians launching 2 pinsirs, one into the Albanian provinces, and one into the main Macedonian provinces, both set out to surround Skopje, while a third makes for a straight drive. A turning point would likely come around either through Skopje, or possibly shortly afterwards, if Skopjr is captured. From their I believe the Macedonians would be able to push the Serbs back, piece by piece, and eventually push into Serbia itself, based on the Serbian capital's position, it would kind of become a race against their allies to capture it. If Bosnia is attacked, they will likely try just two pinsirs to flank the entire country, and if the Bosnians do go on a counteroffensive, it is likely the maximum reach will be OTL Bosnian borders. If they attack Transylvania, I would think they would underestimate the country based on its small army, but be overwhelmed in the likely case the Transylvanians are able to mobilize a powerful force. Rhodope may take some time to be able to counterattack, considering the area the Serbs would be attacking first would have only sparce settlements. Thoughts? Ownerzmcown 12:18, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

That all sounds about right, however, along the lines of the naming problem, maybe it may be best to simply just have it officially be the United Kingdom of Macedonia, Serbia, Kosovo, and Montengro, and be popularly known as South Slavia. Both of these are basic ideas, but we are kind of running out of ideas, lol. Ownerzmcown 22:23, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

Promotion
2 Weeks is up. Congrats. I know it says you get to pick your own title, but Mitro picked mine so I figured I'd get to have some fun with it.Oerwinde 06:52, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

I tried a few other languages and none of them felt right.Oerwinde 07:46, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Another one I considered was Orena Massa, swedish for Unwashed Masses.Oerwinde 07:56, May 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Congratulations, LG. Do we have to bow towards Oklahoma City now?  :-)  SouthWriter 14:56, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Military Alliance to be announced?
I remember you saying that the military alliance between Chumash and Visaili would be announced today October 1, so I was wondering if we were still going along with that or if it was to be put on hold or what? Yes I did read the post on the WCRB news page about Visaili and the Chumash ambassador visiting. Just get back to me when you can about military operations against Ventura and Santa Cruz (I know you said Ventura specifically but Santa Cruz is still a threat, and going down the 101 is pretty much a straight shot into the central coast, also I don't know where you got "mountains between Chumash and Bakersfield" remember I live here and its pretty much a 2 and a half hour drive into Kern and a 3 hour drive into Bakersfield with only a few small hills along the way). Anyways best of luck. Riley.Konner 10:10, October 1, 2011 (UTC) EDIT reversion:Sorry I just noticed that know were in that discussion did you mention any "mountains" that's my mistake and it will never happen again. Riley.Konner 10:33, October 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I've seen what has been posted, and thank you for updating the Chumash page. In addition to the highways mentioned, Chumash can also send a few Bradley tanks to Visali via highway 46 (though that highway is a death trap lol) and 41. Bombing also sounds good, and naval bombardments from Chumash. I'm thinking a battle between the CRS Santa Barbara and a Venturan ship being called a modern battle between the USS Constitution and the HMS Guerriere. Also I'm working on a WCRB post that is a response given by Vilodari Scholairi and his vows to crush both the countries. Also I thought of a name for the Visali-Chumash alliance I'm thinking Organized States of California or the OSC. As for Mozambique that is at the bottom of my to do list, I'll see what happens in a couple of months. Riley.Konner 12:24, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Siberian expansion and the areas around Novgorod, Sapmi and Finland
Hey Ganon, I'd like to propose something regarding the territory the SIberian expansion would cover.

Now, based on the map of the NU, could the Siberians take what is left of Karelia and the area between Novgorod and the NU? This would cause tension and I was thinking of adding a bit about some skirmishes or incidents happening while Northern Hammer took place. Nothing serious but I mean, why hype the return of the USSR into this area if there isn't going to be any tension. Let me know what you think and feel free to say where the borders could start between these countries.Vladivostok 18:08, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Yes it is true I haven't been as active as I should have been, sorry about that. In any case, it is a shame that Novgorod controls that area, I was hoping the Siberians would be the ones to acquire the ruins of Leningrad, oh well.

But I was hoping for the annexation of the Kola peninsula, I wanted to have a sort of Berlin airlift event in which the Siberians try and cut off Sampi, only to have the NU basically make their efforts worthless with air support.

I didn't think it was a stretch because the troops that would occupy the area would be from Soviet Karelia, not the principal forces of the USSR.--Vladivostok 11:03, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

Well, after taking a look at the geography of Kola, I see you're right, a lot of mountain ranges are on the peninsula. But they are in the west and north part of the peninsula, the south-east is mostly flat areas. Now, it is true that these areas are difficult to reach, especially because other that some smaller cities on the coast, there aren't any roads. However, they don't actually have to physically patrol the area just yet to stake their claim.

Now of course air support would be scarse at best in the first expansion, but having just a couple of planes patrol the air space in this area would come a long way in discouraging any other group from trying to take that said area.

Now I also just wanted to bring up the new map for the USSR and the area in general. As far as the rest of the expansion, are we on the same page? So, I believe we said when we originally discussed this ages ago that they would take most of Arkhangels oblast, half of the Republic of Komi and Soviet Karelia.Vladivostok 10:43, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

Qu'il Tous
So I think for our next step for Qu'il Tous, its time to start getting into some of the more political details of America and France, mostly by created an article for the Prime Ministers of France, Speaker of the House, somethings for the Senate of the US, and maybe a list of British Prime Ministers. Ownerzmcown 03:34, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

War of 1812 in Montcalm Survives
Okay, just one more question for you.

(A little background info for the timeline:

During the American revolution, the British loyalists only had two other colonies left in the area, West and East Florida. I figured many would flee to the colonies to protect them from being taken over, which would mean there would be less loyalists fighting the Yankees and they would most likely surrender earlier. The British would most likely unite the colonies and try to grow its infrastructure.)

Now, when it comes to the War of 1812, I'm sure the British would aggravate the Americans (and perhaps French Canadians) enough for the Americans to declare war on them. Me and Oerwinde were having a heated debate, and I said that the US and the French would have a large enough military population to attack Florida and win, and that the United States would annex the Floridas; while Oerwinde claimed that it's more likely they would tie and Florida would remain British. Who's argument is more likely to happen? ChrisL123 22:59, December 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ohhh, I see what you're saying now. Okay, well I'm adding a minor POD to the timeline (King Louis XIV and other royalty influencing Frenchmen to immigrate to New France, thinking there would be land as prosperous as Guadeloupe, which means they have more population to withstand the British enough to have a ceasefire with them). If this ceasefire and treaty happened, is it likely that the Americans would have the same attitude in OTL and want to revolt? (by that I mean, "Hey, this money isn't going to any use if we had a ceasefire and armistice!") If not, when would they most likely revolt/declare independence? ChrisL123 05:44, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Like what? And even if it's the Huguenot that relocated to New Netherland and the UK's American colonies? ChrisL123 23:45, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I figured you'd say that. Alright, one more chance at this before I just go with the ASB route: If Quebec, victorious at the Plains of Abraham, decides to cede the  and perhaps Acadia to the UK (but keep Louisiana), would that be enough for the British or would they expect more? ChrisL123 08:42, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Good, that works for me. Now, I was thinking for the American Revolution, instead of in the 1770s, the British (who would want extra money for the Napoleonic Wars with France) would increase taxes again on the colonies, and this would most likely spark the revolution near 1805. I figure they would even surrender earlier if their main concern at that time was Napoleonic France. Would this work? ChrisL123 04:28, January 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll fix it when I have time. And perhaps you misunderstood (unless you didn't); would the "Americans" really tolerate paying more for a war that didn't really concern them (i.e., the early Napoleonic Wars between the UK and France?) I mean Napoleon (if he does come into power, which I have to ask why he wouldn't) didn't issue an attack on the colonies, just the United Kingdom, so increased taxes again wouldn't do anything for the "colonist patriots"... ChrisL123 23:02, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

Me again, hopefully this'll be the final question I'll ask you. Heh. Alright, so I recently read up on Matthew C. Perry and I'm literally a noob when it comes to him. My question is, even with three countries in the way of the US and Japan, is it likely that Perry would open up relations with Japan? If not, would one of the major powers in that North American area (Alyeska, British New Caledonia or Mexico) do it? I mean I doubt Mexico would do it because of Spain's colonial and religious influence, but would British New Caledonia or Alyeska do it or would Japan remain isolated until much later? ChrisL123 06:20, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

Macau
So who is in charge of Macau???Scandinator 08:06, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

Heh, I already contacted him about Taiwan and he replied already, it won't be too hard to add Macau. Thanks for the heads up. ~Scan

If it isn't a problem with you, once you post up a bigger resolution, could you make all the Unions one colour, like all ANZC territory one colour etc. Not really the alliances but more like all the unions and it would have no labelling, making the map slightly clearer. I'll do it if you don't want to. BTW, do you have anything we could put up on the news? :D Imperium Guy 08:27, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

Shame. I can't think of anything to put up aswell on the news, unless you count the doomsday on 21 Dec 2012 thing, lol! :D Imperium Guy 09:01, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Newolland
I'm having problems with my page, i made a change that i tried to undo but somehow instead of reverting that edit its undone a lot of my work of the last 3 months, i've tried to undo the undo but it wont let me, i dont want to mess around with it incase i end up deleting more!

If you can could you please revert it back to the page as it was on the 3rd Jan 2012?

Many Thanks --Smoggy80 16:29, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks very much!!--Smoggy80 18:26, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Deleting Categories
Lordganon, I put a subcategory into the wrong category, (specifically Timelines and Timelines, Napoleon's Australian Victory, which was in itself a mistake) and I cannot delete that categorisation from the bottom of the page. Could you please help, if it wasn't too much trouble? Callumthered 01:40, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

I went ahead and did it, but for future reference you can remove categories by going into edit mode for the articleOerwinde 05:49, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Headlines vs. News Stories
Hi, LG. Thank you for the edit of my news headline, but the fact is that I decided to put more information in the news story than in the "Headline" on the main page. I did it at least twice before, since I feel that reading more than a short paragraph in 'headline news' defeats the purpose. The line at the top of the Main Page "World Headlines" that one should go to another page "for all news." When one goes to that page, the coverage is almost always the same -- no elaboration, just a repeat of what was already reported.

There should be more activity on the Newshour, but I know how hard it is to remember to put something there. Anyway, thanks for noticing the apparent descrepacy. SouthWriter 03:06, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

United States Flag (Flintlocks Forever)
Do you think the flag of the US should be the OTL US flag, the plain red flag, the New Union USSR flag, the OTL USSR flag, or something different? Bobalugee1940 15:02, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Flintlocks Forever US Flag
Thanks for giving me your thought. I had not known that the red flag was commonly used by pirates. I was drawing off of the fact that during sieges and sea battles the red flag was normally raised to signify that the defending party would never surrender so I thought that was pretty cool. Thanks for you oppinon. Bobalugee1940 20:56, January 10, 2012 (UTC)

Spotlight Request
Hi. Alternative History Wiki looks great and I've added it to the approved spotlight list. -- Wendy (talk ) 02:36, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

South Texas map
Yes, that is the plan, for South Texas to be a part of the Republic from the beginning. --BrianD 18:21, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

UIP
When can we say that "the new Siberian tanks have rolled in and taken over Tula Nadu" as I really think a small state such as Tula Nadu could hold out for so long. Plus after that, we can look at its bigger brother Tamil Nadu ;) Imperium Guy 17:55, January 13, 2012 (UTC)

So when will it be possible that the UIP won't need SAC aid anymore, or in such a small amount, it will not affect it. BTW, would the UIP be the 3rd largest counry in the world and have the most population? :) Imperium Guy 14:01, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

Ok. That gave me an idea for news! Can we say that the PM institutes huge new infrastructure plans for employment and new flyovers and roads are built to connect the cities, meanwhile new "towers" are built for housing? :D Imperium Guy 15:07, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

That's a start. Can we also announce than 20% conscription of men aged between 20-35 will be happening to serve the millitary? :D Imperium Guy 15:43, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Okay. so for an armed forces 2 million men strong, they don't nedd conscription at all, do they? I'll start the news post, if that's okay. :D Imperium Guy 12:41, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Montcalm Survives changes
Sorry to bother you again, I just had I quick question. First, I changed most of the timeline around where France wins the Seven Years' War overall, keeping French India and New France, etc. (makes it much easier on myself) because of harsh weather conditions which daze the British (the only thing I could think of that doesn't change things globally too much). I'm sure the French Revolution would happen (if the Seven Years' War is longer than 7 years, especially). And, like you said it's unlikely Napoleon would come into power, which I'm hoping on for these new changes. So I was wondering, without Napoleon, what is likely to happen to the ? Would France just integrate them into the republic or just set them free? ChrisL123 06:22, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

Recent reverts
I should hope you remember me and the details for the PRMDS article we worked out two years ago. Why have you been reverting my edits seemingly without cause? You of all users should know that I have every reason to want to improve pages you created, not harm them. I was only rewriting certain sections of background history which dealt specifically with the PRMDS organization. As we have already discussed this matter at some length, I believed there is no need to propose relatively minor changes to you first.

Thanks, --EmperorofTrebizond 18:53, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

Future question
Hello again. I have a question about writing about the future in talk pages. I don't mean that I want to say what will happen, but writing about potential future events as part of current events (like the 2012 Presidential election and Arab Spring). I have some new ideas for New Union that I want to bring to discussion, and they retain to a combination of recent events, and the near future. I don't want to be breaking any rules, so I thought I would ask first. Thank you. ~Nuke


 * Thank you very much. Better safe than sorry. Also, sorry for forgetting to put my signature before. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 18:30, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Infobox Head of State riddle
Lordganon,

I have two seperate nations with two seperate Nation infoboxes, with two different links to two (at the moment non-existent) Head of state pages. These two nations are in personal union, and I would like both links to link to the same page. Have you seen this problem before? and if so, could you perhaps tell me how to work around it, if you can?

Thank you Callumthered 22:28, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Where Does It Go?
I was thinking of how the Second Yugoslav War is developing and how Macedonia's standing with Greece and Rhodope might change after the war is over. I would like to discuss it if you wouldn't mind. Ownerzmcown 03:12, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Well I do see your point, but after Serbia is gone, where does that leave the three on the basis of standing in the Balkans. Without Serbia, Macedonia has only Greece as an apparent equal with ify relations, Croatia and Macedonia are friendly, Rhodope is too sparsely populated to pose any sort of a threat, Transylvania is also quite friendly with Macedonia. That still may leave some unanswered question between Macedonia and Greece, and where exactly is Turkey left in all of this? Ownerzmcown 01:28, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Well I do see your point about improving relations with Greece and Macedonia, but how can they enter this apparent detente with the Greeks if they have Turkey to deal with too. Then that kind of seems to make the Turkey as being a nuisance to the Macedonians, but their alliance remains essential. It kind of leaves Macedonia in an awkward position then as you can see. So its then between making this agreement with Greece and apparent one-time thing, or to continue on as you have said and leaving Macedonia and Turkey in an awkard position as allies. Also, when is there going to be an update on the war page, I know you said your taking time between posts, but it seems to be moving almost glaciely. Ownerzmcown 21:27, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah thought so, just getting a bit sensitive and overthinking about these things. So then what happens to the Macedonian Army after the war? All of the heavy levels of conscription will probably be knocked down to the necessary level for occupying Serbia is my best prediction. After that they only have one "tense" border, which is with Greece, but that will probably just remain static and become normal eventually. But then what does the Black Sea Accord lead to, it seems like Greece trying to build a power base around Turkey. Just an intuition. Ownerzmcown 04:37, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Nimitz/Vinson and all that.
Sorry, LG. I had too many pages up at one time. I am not real good at multitasking, but I was trying to "do it all at one time." Too late, I guess, I noticed that I had hit 'publish' when I meant to go back to the page to do further edits. There it sat, with conflicting info just staring the reader in the face. :-(

SouthWriter 05:59, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Australia (1983: Doomsday)
I noticed the page is up for adoption. Can I take over? It seems a shame to let the most powerful post doomsday nation page languish. Scandinator (talk) 00:50, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

FWBW ASB tag
I'm sorry for bothering you, I just had to ask. Why would the For Want of Bad Weather still be ASB? I had changed the POD around to make the harsh weather conditions centered around the British Isles, which wouldn't really effect France and her allies. If you insist on it, it's fine with me, but as long as I get to know why :P ChrisL123 04:44, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

I apologize for that Korean War article I posted here by mistake. Will that give reason to block me? haha XtranormalGeek 04:23, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations... Myself?


If I don't leave this here, it will 100% slip my mind, lol. Lordganon 08:43, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

About message
It be nice, thank you. :] -Kogasa 14:48, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Ukraine or The Ukraine
In case you missed this in your watchlist: http://www.infoukes.com/faq/the_ukraine/

Mitro 15:50, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Also found another one: http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/ukraine.html

Mitro 15:52, January 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * There is a debate, but not much of one. The modern trend is to drop "the" to differentiate the nation from a region.  Travel guides will also warn you not to say "the Ukraine" when travelling through said country.  Nevertheless, I do not want to get into an argument over something as silly.  Since I am the author of the timeline, I will use the modern trend.  Thank you for being reasonable.
 * Also I hope you don't mind but I have reactivated myself with the TSPTF. I probably won't be as active as I was in the past, but I will try helping out with vandals and such.  Mitro 14:34, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Stirling Awards
This is a tremendous honor, to receive not one but two of the highest awards from the community. It definitely made my morning to see that my writing is regarded so highly, it'll definitely inspire me to finish my non-wiki related writing projects. Thank you again.

On another note, is there a way to see who else won the Stirling Awards for this year, or is that page taken down now?

KingSweden 20:52, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

TSPTF
I would be honored to accept any nomination for any position you feel like giving me. LurkerLordB (Talk) 22:10, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, I will read all of what you sent me and do what it says. LurkerLordB (Talk) 19:51, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

UIP
Ok, I am a bit late in telling you this, but the reason why I posted first was because if I had messaged you and posted, you would have replied at the 27th, the day after the republic day. That is why. Imperium Guy 07:40, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, about the date and leader, and maybe even the jets, but the Republic day parade should still be held in Dehli as that is where is has always been held. The UIP is meant to be the successor state of India, so I think it should still have the constitution and parade. I understand why you removed it, however. Imperium Guy 10:31, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

What was the exact date the UIP was formed as a successor state then, as that will be the date a parade is held? :/ Imperium Guy 10:40, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Stirling Award: Thanks
Thanks very much!. I'm honored for receiving this award, and i hope to continue helping to the wikia during this and next years. :) Regards! --Katholico 02:55, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, now i did. BTW, i have a question about this template... what is his purpose? Regards! Katholico 03:43, January 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * OK, both things. --Katholico 14:14, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

NW Version of Althistory WIki
Why? I wasn't referring about making a new wiki. RandomWriterGuy 07:11, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, I'm not trying to create another Wikipedia! The alternate biographies users won't make them bad!

Look, I'm trying to be nice here, O.K.? I didn't mean to try to break the rules when I first mentioned it, O.K.?. --RandomWriterGuy 21:32, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Music (1983: Doomsday)
Right I've finally done the proposal page, sorry that took so long, I sort of forgot :P

I've got a few musicians down from the People of Doomsday page, and the Celtic Alliance anthem competition. Any idea where I could find some more? VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 17:23, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Ah sorry, I've seen pages with both those categories before so I thought it's like: this timeline is a timeline but its ASB. But for future, if I see a page with ASB & timeline categories, I should get rid of the timeline then? VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 19:45, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Flintlocks Forever
I would like to officially ask you to help me write the timeline and other articles of the timeline Flintlocks Forever. Bobalugee1940 00:48, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

UIP news... again!
Is it possible to post about the Republic day parade, omitting the Leaders and the aircraft? Its going to be about the show of military strength, tanks and a speech in which the President says that they will be more ammunitions factories be build and the roadworks is going great? :D Imperium Guy 22:04, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

About 219.73.83.219
I just want to say, my ip is 219.73.83.219..... All edit of 219.73.83.219 is edited by me. :/ Jordan Chang 17:59, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

hello want to be a mod
hello i would like you to be a mod on my new map game to keep order if you accept her it is http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/1200_A.D._(Map_Game)

heres my page http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User:Waroftheworld

Pounce
The Pounce! badge is very hard to get. How did you earn it without breaking the rules of the wiki? (I know-100 edits- how did you do that?) RandomWriterGuy 22:27, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

Acutally, that's for another badge. I think in this badge, you create a page, and you edit it 100 times in an hour, correct? RandomWriterGuy 22:22, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

Question
Hello Lordganon. Is the WCRB Live News article an open page? (anybody can add to it?) XtranormalGeek 10:58, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

I`ve removed the hyperlinks to my site. Apologies wont happen again. Just trying to add context.

Australian Nukes
Evening, LG

I have started work on the Australia page now that my workload from school has lessened. It is also with Enclavehunter's permission that I have taken over the page officially. Anyway, I'll get to the point, Australian cities are large, no huge. And the population is not dense at all. Theoretically if a 400kt bomb exploded in Melbourne's CBD around a third of the city's suburbia would be able to function (the south east) with electricity and maybe water as their supplies enter from the east. A similar story in Sydney and Perth. So what are the estimated yields so that I can try to set up "towns" within the old city's outskirts. e.g. sutherland, blacktown in sydney. Note, I will do my best to research the winds on the day to see if fallout hits any of the areas so as to be as plausable as possible. Scandinator (talk) 12:15, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Many australian cities have large 8 lane roads (4 each way). Due to the population spread these roads are not elevated. Would they stop the firestorm? Also the prevailing winds in Perth tend to come from the north in September so most of North Perth would be spared but Fremantle and a couple of the towns would have to be evacuated. In Sydney the wind travels to northeast generally in Septemeber so the North Shore region would also be abandoned. In Melbourne the entire city is abandoned as the direct fallout follows the coast down to the south east, covering most of the suburbs. Therefore as Melbourne and Perth are smaller and due to the conditions, I propose a couple of surviving areas of the Northern Perth suburbs, none in Melbourne due to fallout and the outer suburbs of Sydney as the water supplies come from near Blacktown and electricity from the south west therefore many services in the outer region which are 30 to 50 kms from the blast zone survive? Scandinator (talk) 23:50, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for all the information so far. Any tips for a finding a good nuclear blast simulator to top off the event? Also just an extra tidbit; theres a fallout shelter in the Sydney CBD built in the 60s, and its HUGE. It runs from St James Station to Museum Station (basically down half the CBD on the east side), I'm thinking maybe 10,000 people made it in the ten minutes warning time before the bomb? Also a stampede to get in of course. Scandinator (talk) 11:02, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Also I did more research. The road in mind for Sydney was last upgraded in the 1970s it varies between two to four lanes both ways (8 lanes in most areas). The road forms an arc around the central CBD and is on average 14 km from the CBD where the nuke explodes and 12 km at the closest point. Melbourne is totally abandoned as is 95% of Perth after Doomsday, but Western Sydney continues functioning somewhat after Doomsday and a bunch of "towns" but is overtaken rapidly by Newcastle & the Central Coast and Wollongong & the Illawara.Scandinator (talk) 09:57, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

The fallout shelter is pretty deep. The actual depth is classified info but it is at least 15 metres down. They used to keep a large amount of provisions in there. The actual existance of the tunnel is classified too, but a friend of mine spent a while with the army and found out about it. I've seen the entrance and the two stations have a set of locked doors opposite to the entry route to the platform.

The time when the bomb hit was in the middle of the day in Sydney, therefore at least a million people were in the city working with a higher percentage of men due to Australian culture. With around 200,000 in close proximity to the tunnel (five minutes walk), thousands would try to cram in. Therefore 10,000 survivors from the central city itself, emerging a month after the blast and travelling 30km to Sutherland by foot in a day sounds plausable. But there will be no such luck in Perth or Melbourne as they are too small and Melbourne's CBD train lines are not fully underground. Also due to the loss of the state governments in the three cities and a drastic decrease in population. I propose a merging of Queensland and New South Wales into Eastern Australia and South Australia absorbing Victoria. Scandinator (talk) 08:54, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

OK, I'll keep the states as they were and mention the shelter. However, the explosion fused the metal across the entrance and the survivors could not escape. That would be discovered in a planned expedition to the city centra during 2012. I'm starting work on Australia in four days.

The East this time!!
After considering what you told me about East India, post-DD, I think that the states could form into a Chinese influenced USSR styled confederation. It would be ruled by a Chairman and would run on Maoism. I just want to ask whether it would be possible for me to get the green light to be able to create the article.

The Communist Confederation could form in around the 90s, after increased threat from wars goung around. It could also form at around 2003, when the UIP gets formed. What do you think? :D Imperium Guy 14:49, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Still waiting, lol. I have also got a new prop flag for the UIP. It has merged the element from 3 of your proposed flags! I hope you think it is good. :D Imperium Guy 14:54, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

On the TSTPF, change your vote to postpone, so that the compromise plan can be continued and the Support can be evened out. Imperium Guy 14:57, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Forget the communist confederation, they will have to be conquered, lol. I agree about the elephants, the don't look too good. Would you consider the flags if the smaller elephants are removed?

I would also like to hear what you have got to say about Tamil Nadu as you are the creator of the India and the UIP page and you have much more DD experience than me. :D Imperium Guy 15:49, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

On a side note, how do you archive your talkpage, mine has got too long and time-consuming to get to the right part. ;) Imperium Guy 15:51, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Cool, thanks for that. And happy sleeping, lol! Its only 4:09 pm here. :P Imperium Guy 16:09, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking about the Eelam myself. This would mean my uncle would probs be alive today in DD, lol. So would the Eelam be an independent country or part of Tamil Nadu?

Who should be leader? I would think the present Chief Minister might be a good candidate. However, if you know the name of the leader of the rebels, he's going to be in charge.

I have also got the new flag now, might want to look at where the old prop is. :D Imperium Guy 12:09, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Its there! :D Imperium Guy 15:46, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Cool. Do I need to post in the Newshour that the flag has been changed or no need? :D Imperium Guy 13:59, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Templates
Sorry bout that. Didn't realize that. Scrawland Scribblescratch 19:11, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

asking
hey i dont mean to be annoying but could you be a little bit nicer to the people who make mistakes i know you just want to make a point but still just asking i dont expect a answer but if you get this tell me about what youve decided

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User:Waroftheworld

Flags
I'm just to lazy to search for them. It's easier to just upload the new copies. RandomWriterGuy 09:06, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Flintlocks Forever
Should I make it so that it stays as the Betsy Ross flag or change it along with the number of states, the only problem I can see is trying to find photos with the betsy ross. But if I change it with the states then I will have to continously find photos from that era with that amount of stars.

Another question is how do you believe that having only flintlocks will affect the culture and how do you believe it would change the map?

Bobalugee1940 00:50, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

dziękuję

Bobalugee1940 02:33, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Non-changing flag
Why was it a comprimise? I mean were states like "Yo, man either you add me to that there flag or I walk out o' this union thing!".

My main concern is that I couldn't find enough pictures of flags from a specific year to use in my timeline, and as you know I'm a heavy pic user in my TL's.

Bobalugee1940 01:28, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Respect
The teapot tempest over your behavior that Yank unleashed was inappropriate. He has a very real point. You seem to have no concept of what it means to respect other editors.

I specifically asked you, several times, to stop editing my own discussion comments. I did so nicely; I did so forcefully. You decided that you, and you alone were the arbiter of what was "readable," and despite the utter trivialness of the issue, you refused to let it go. You then managed to say, in the most supercilious manner possible, "Ben, make it readable and it won't happen anymore. You haven't yet managed that." Utterly unbearable, utterly disrespectful of my knowledge and my intelligence.

You went on to abandon any semblance of civil discussion with your "You've already been told why it is needed. There is absolutely no point in trying to get you to understand it at this point in time if you don't get it." This, after putting up a tremendous fuss when you felt that your own comments and opinions were being stifled by that Vote section. This, of course, on top of innumerable discussion pages where you have posted, "This discussion is over," or similar statements. This is not only disrespectful, it is hypocritical. If your concerns matter, then so do other people's.

There was another, much less major incident on the Map Games talk page when you said, with no provocation, "There is absolutely no reason to even consider deletion there," and then were shocked that I found this to also be disrespectful. How about, "It shouldn't be deleted"? I'm not sure that you even perceive the difference.

One time, I jumped in to categorize some images. I used to do that a lot. I spent many hours doing it before you came here. I was really impressed to see you doing it on a far more massive scale. You reverted my changes. No "thanks for helping;" no invitation to continue helping; not even an explanation of what scheme you were using to tell why you didn't like my changes. Just a reversion, like I was a vandal. That was also deeply disrespectful.

There is a reason that most of your interactions devolve so quickly. You need to get it in your head that your opinions are not more valid than those of other people; that your contributions are not more valuable than those of others; that your ideas of how things should be are not the correct ones. In short, you need to treat your fellow users on this wikis, admins, non-admins, and newcomers, with respect. You need to think twice before posting, three or four times before criticising.

Shortly I returned most recently after a long wiki break (occasioned by frustration with your actions and tone), you know I sniffed out the other admins to see if they agreed with me - to see if they would support me if I posted something like this on your talk page. I got that support but was pre-empted by the latest "impeachment" attempt on the TSPTF talk page. The discussion there convinced me that your constant fights were a result of good intentions and an honest inability to tell when you are insulting people. Well, you're still insulting people, repeatedly. These concerns and complaints keep coming against you, and you keep shrugging them off. Stop and think. Please. This wouldn't keep happening if there weren't something legitimate.

Benkarnell 05:20, February 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Give me one - one! - instance of my being even slightly rude to an editor. Find one other editor here with a single complaint against me. The only angry words I have ever posted to this site have been in response to your constant dismissive behavior toward me or others, or your escalating every disagreement into a battle.  Not to mention the fact that I have yet to see you apologize for anything; acknowledge that you were wrong about anything.  Not even at that impeachment, when I became so convinced of your good intentions.  There is a lot to acknowledge, and this time I won't let you get out of it with your usual mix of contempt  and defensiveness.


 * I deleted Yankovic's post because it was, as I explained to him on his talk page (calmly and respectfully), a wildly inappropriate attack page that set a horrible precedent. On my talk page you'll see that he thanked me for doing it.


 * For what it's worth, this is standard wiki formatting. It's the way people post things on wikis. And whether it is or not, you completely missed the point - that respecting other people takes precedence over correcting them.  I've never seen an admin fiddle with other people's comments before.  We are a community, LG.  Benkarnell 09:05, February 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * You still can't give me a single instance. I can, and have, given you several, over and over again, which you haven't even acknowledged, much less defended.  You rarely acknowledge them except to give blanket dismissals; "None of these are rude in any way," words to that effect.  This is the most maddening thing.  You bully people over and over again, talk to people like they're just not in your league, and either you pretend it doesn't happen or you really can't tell the difference.  In the "map game" instance I've shown you what a respectful post looks like compared to yours, but you've ignored that too.


 * Trying to redirect me to the Yankovic blog incident is another example of you deflecting, but I'll explain myself further. If anyone creates another page specifically to attack another user, even (as in this case) I broadly agree with it, yes, I'll delete that, too.  It's immature and it's further bully behavior, even when the target is someone impervious to criticism.  I didn't ask Yankovic's permission; I offered him a respectful yet firm explanation, along with, you'll note, the possibility of undoing my action if it turned out to be the wrong decision. In short, I was acting as a leader rather than a bully - a distinction I keep trying without success to explain to you. Benkarnell 18:21, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Advice
Hey LG. I was hoping you could give some advice for my revised timeline (It takes place after an French victory at Waterloo). I was hoping if you could give me advice (or tell me if its ASB) for some of the following differences: Thank you, and hope your respond. Enclavehunter 05:45, February 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Mexico loosing the Baja Peninsula, Sonora, Nuev Leon, Tamaulipas, Chihuahua, and Coahuila.
 * British Canada looses the sothern portion of OTL British Columbia, all of Ontario, Quebec, Newfouland and Labrador, southern portion of Alberta, Manitoba, and Saskatchewan.
 * Technology is fast by ten to fifteen years.
 * The Colonial Race for Asia and Africa dosn't occur.
 * The Cold War should be called the Tri-War, between France, United States, and China.

Overlooked
Hey LG, I forgot to ask; are you fine with the CoA I've got on the UIP page? I originally name it for another nation page but thought as the UIP has changed flags and a new identity, maybe the CoA could be slightly modified as well. Thoughts? :D Imperium Guy 23:37, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Assistance
Sorry if I am disturbing you, but do you know how to edit in source mode? I am trying to make the vice-presidency slot in George Washington's terms be the federalist color. The page is the List of Presidents of the United States of America (Age of Kings). If you can help that would be great. Monster Pumpkin 00:45, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

State of Jackson
How plausible is the State of Jackson. The main reason I made the split was that the north of Florida had a very different population then the rest of Florida and to thus then create a seperate territory, later state, that was independent of the more cattle and agriculture minded south.

Bobalugee1940 01:16, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Reply
Hi, I'd like to keep the conservation going here: Talk:Timeline (1914 Incident). Thanks. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 18:31, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

A question
Do you mind if I create some disambiguation pages for some things (like Nepal, Slovakia etc.)? And if its okay can I also create a category for Touhou Project? I saw someone already did something similar with Hetalia. Thanks.. -Kogasa 08:10, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Yugoslavia opinion
Greetings LG. I hope you don't mind me asking, but I would love to get your opinion on a radical change that seems worth looking into. In short, it could have still been possible that Yugoslavia could have remained completely in tact. You can read it in greater detail here (no need to write it out again). I would also like to point out the key argument for here: global pressure. In the case of the USSR, Gorbachev was more than willing to let six republics go (on the grounds that the majority of republics remain). In Ethiopia, the new government allowed Eritrea to hold a referendum (and they would gain it due to years of fighting). Apparently in Croatia and Slovenia (which had not yet begun to fight [in comparison to what will become]), the global community (Europe, the US, and eventually the USSR) outright refused to recognize the independence of the two republics. This is because the world saw that a divided Yugoslavia could break the stability in the Balkans, and could lead to a bloody war (can you imagine).

I wanted to get your opinion first, because I know that you may see something I missed. Thank you again, and you know I will appreciate any help. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 17:25, February 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * What do you mean by "bit of a stretch"? --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 16:52, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Questions
Is my now current map of the FF USA more realistic?

Is the large diversity of Battle Flags for America in FF realistic?

What is the term for something refering to someone named James (like the Lutheran Church is named after Luther)?

Bobalugee1940 20:01, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Template
So what would hapeen to my template? :/ Imperium Guy 12:06, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!! :D Imperium Guy 12:11, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

1983: DD revision
Hello LG,

I read what you said about my proposed nation, and I didn't see where it said that Tiraspol was nuked. But I don want to point out one thing. You said that the land the country was based on was owned by Transylvania, but on the nation's page it said that those areas were only claimed. Claimed is a bit different from owned.

However, if you are able to counter that, which you probably will, I do have another idea for a nation. It's called Nuristan, and it is a region in modern day Afghanistan. It would be here. What do you think? Monster Pumpkin 21:13, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Formatting Question
Hi, I'm wondering if you know or not if color can be added to tables and such, as I think adding color to the Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom to help differentiate the PM's better. If so, how do you do it? Thanks! Lieut. Tbguy1992: Profile; Talk 00:57, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Question
Would the name of Chief of the United States of America be a respectable name for the replacement of the term President (in the 1860's)? Bobalugee1940 01:13, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

I badly worded that question. Can you look at List of Chiefs of America and the section "Official Title" and tell me what you think. Bobalugee1940 14:17, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

? Bobalugee1940 14:47, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Open 1983 DD areas
Can you think of any areas in DD that is inhabitable and doesn't have a nation there? I just want to make sure instead of making another proposal that gets shot down. I think I thought of one, in Slovakia, so any info on that area would be appreciated. Monster Pumpkin 03:14, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Is there any country in the Indian reminent which can be conquered without alerting/bothering the SAC at all. Or can we have an India-Pakistani war and thus make all the states unite? Pakistan will start it of course!! ;D Imperium Guy 17:23, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Oh well. :D Imperium Guy 19:34, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Spam
You are right, I apologize. Won't happen again. JonAllenMichael 00:07, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Weapons
Hello again. Do you mind if I create an article listing all the weapons in the 1983: DD world? It would expand more on the universe. XtranormalGeek 14:40, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Why do you think that? Please explain your basis, because I am fully up to the task. XtranormalGeek 14:44, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I'd like to expand on your universe, and I figured it would be a good idea, but if you don't want the article then I won't make it. :/ XtranormalGeek 15:29, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Well, isn't it odd that there are no weapon makers in your timeline? Surely there has to be SOME weapons in it. Don't patronize me. I know a lot about weapons, and I believe that a weapons article will expand on your universe. I'm not arguing with you, but it seems kind of odd, don't you think? XtranormalGeek 19:48, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

hey LG
Hi,

i was wonderng about something, and since you logged on I hope you dont mind if I awsk you.

is it easy to be an admin on this wiki, or is it just plain boring some days?

DeanSims 19:31, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

well, I can understand. my banned wiki i made when i got banned for the imperium guy and me mix up isnt doing to hot, I wish it was busier, Im just glad rebelsoldier hasnt showed up yet. DeanSims 19:36, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

you see, thats my problem, the banned wiki is supposed to be a place where the banned are welcome, but I cant decide if he should be banned or not considering his history and long list of sockpuppets. DeanSims 19:40, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

yeah. would you like to be an admin on my wiki, it would be a quiet job, and Im kinda busy lately. my dads being a jerk and keeps saying ill live with my mom and then he says im not, so im kind of occupied as I try to keep myself busy. DeanSims 19:45, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

its ok. thqanks for the offer.

DeanSims 17:05, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Qattara Project
I want to ask you this. I am doing a project for my TL called the Qattara Project. It does contain 1983: Doomsday references, yet I try to make it my own as possible. Here it is:

In 1971, to start the first phase of the project, a group of laborers lowered the bottom of the Sadat Canal from Lake Nasser by nearly 10 meters, allowing water to pour into the Toshka Lakes. Two years later, the French Grande Military, with the advice of the Egyptian provincial government, decided to reduce the water from Lake Nasser flowing into the lower Nile by half. The first half was used for generating hydroelectricity, while the other half was used for pouring the water into former barren desert beyond the Toshka Lakes, with at least 150 million cubic feet of water flowed into the land per day. Farmers from the Nile Delta were hired to help improve and farm the land to help turn the barren desert into lush green.

The Toshka Lakes attracted hundreds of thousands from Lower Egypt to build settlements and work in the now modern farms (in contrast to those back in the Lower Nile). The military helped provide the workers and farmers with food, water, and other necessities. As more and more water flowed into the former desert, the New Nile River Project began to take shape. It began to fill areas which became large lakes, allowing lush green to appear and more people to arrive and more settlements to be built. The workers did the work of diverting the water to make sure it connected the Western Egyptian Oases and the buildings of numerous dams to supply with hydroelectricity. Among the new settlements was the city of New Cairo, founded in 1981 along the coastline of one of the newly formed lakes, the Qattara Lake.

The Qattara Lake was the largest lake of the New Nile, as planned it was 430 feet deep at its deepest point. From 1985-1987, it took two years to fill before the water level reached to that of one of the man-made canals, the Ramses Canal to the north. After the completion, numerous settlements and farms were built all over the lake.

Concerned of the risk of flooding, Nasser suggested a man-made delta be built that would allow the water to spill out into the Mediterranean. In 1987, workers began to dig up the New Nile Delta, which was built in a gridlock pattern and connected to El Alamein. Dams were also built to supply with hydroelectricity. By its opening in 1989, the waters of the Qattara Lake spilled into the new delta, and like before, new settlements and farms were built. El Alamein faced prosperity and population growth due to the new immigrants.

Do you approve it? RandomWriterGuy 21:27, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

What I am trying to say is this: is this to the point it is truly my own work without plagarizing work from 1983: Doomsday? RandomWriterGuy 05:19, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, it's for my TL: Think Before You Act. What I'm trying to say is this: is this still my work? Or is it plagarism? RandomWriterGuy 05:25, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Hey LG
Whats up? DeanSims 15:21, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Film in Napoleon's World
I knew there was an Indiana Jones parody in NW but I couldn't find it. Oh, well. Thanks for telling me. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:17, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

The New Pages
I am seeing what you are doing to my TL pages right now. Yes I know there were coding problems. Is this some sort of penalty for me? RandomWriterGuy 02:15, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

I see now. If you want to know how it happened, here's the story:

A few weeks ago, I decided the make 100 edits in one day by making over 50 new pages and with major side edits. Before you say this, yes this was done on Word. It msut be the reason of the coding problems. RandomWriterGuy 02:19, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Am I not to do it again anymore or is this allowed? RandomWriterGuy 02:21, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I wanted to make a document where my work can be stored. If this happens again, should I remind you to do the code fixing? RandomWriterGuy 02:23, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

How do I create a sandbox page? RandomWriterGuy 06:22, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Caer
To be honest i've been thinking about taking Libya and Japan off him for a while as he hasn't really improved them much since he got them. If i do take Libya off him would you want to adopt it. At least you'll keep it plausable--Smoggy80 13:05, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

I've given Caer a week to make changes, if nothings happened by 1st March, then Libya's yours--Smoggy80 14:49, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

In The Name
South Slavia seems the best option, so I guess we'll stick with that. As for the future, I'd like to ask what you would say the future would be for Croatia, Bosnia, and Slovenia after the war's end. That seemed like the next best spot for a look at, just saying. Ownerzmcown 22:58, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

My Page
Im sorry. I didn't know that would happen. Should I take some off? ~Ty Rezac

Yugoslavia 2.0
Sorry to keep bringing this up again and again, but I have a "more" reasonable idea for NU. I have been working on it for a while, but I would rather get an opinion prior to going any further. In a nutshell, the USSR would put pressure on the FRY (in comparison to the west putting pressure on Croatia). What would come of this would be a "Greater " (which includes all three ethnic groups) and a Greater Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina. Just like OTL FBH, the cantons would be autonomous, blah, blah, blah, you get the idea. No division of Bosnia (as in OTL). --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 17:27, February 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Greetings again. I have just one more idea before I explode. Since all three sides agreed and signed on the deal, could have the Carrington-Cutileiro plan been successful here? Regardless on whether the US did persuade Bosnia to renounce their signature, do you think it could have worked here? If not, I am all out of ideas. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 18:56, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

0Russian Help
Russo-American War (Ultranationalist Russia)]]er Russia- I need help making a page called Ultranationalist Russia and the Russo-American War. I have good ideas but i barley the computer experience or the time to do it by my self can you help?

LG, can you tell me if this is a good idea. Okay my idea is to say that Russia first invaded through the Eastern Coast but after Canada started to supply massive amounts of oil to the U.S, Russia started another Front in Alaska and Canada. Tell me if you like the idea and I give you the right top work on my wiki anytime.

thanks for the info LG, I would make the russian invasion solely through Alaska and Canada. I will also make it that Western Europe is invaded as well, to start a war between two fronts. While in the Middle East Israel and Iran will battle it out. Now do you think that if Russia started against NATO, China will help and attack Japan and Tawian. Tell me if that is a good idea and give me good ideas as well?

Okay then what should I do then because my whole wiki page (Russo-American War (Ultranationalist Russia)) revolves around a superpower Russia that invades the U.S and Europe after they get out of a recession. Tell me what I should do?

~ ForMotherRussia Ok I deleted them. ima firin ma lazar!!!!! o(@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 14:32, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

I still have one more question before i leave, if there was a russo-american war, what would be the political implications of it. How would the world change? I know lots of people will die and lots of cities would be destroyed but what else would happen? -ForMotherRussia

Should Nuclear arms be used by the nations due to the fact that NATO and Russia both have nuclear arms. Would these type of nations get so desperate that they would do that. Also would economies flourish after the war or would the world sink into a depression. Please answer back LG. - ForMotherRussia

Since the war will most likely focus in Europe particulary Germany and Poland due to the Geography, will that region grow resistance movements to counter the Russian Bear?

Also would North Korea be able to conquer S.Korea with chinese asssistance. Also will the United States be able to protect Tawiian or will the Chinese overrun it. Also can you give me some more suggestions in the War?

Due to the fact Iran is known for its hatred of the Jews would Iran fie nuclear warheads toward Tel Aviv during a war. Would nations like the US and Russia create biological weapons as a last ditch scenario. Also how would nations create more money efficient weapons in such a massive war?

Also I was wondering when I am done with this series, can you help me with a pandemic series. I have an idea were a virus just eats your body away and speeds up closer to the end. It can transmitted like a regular flu, blood transactions, and even sexually. Can you help. Please-ForMotherRussia

If the virus remained dormant for some time, which allowed the host to carry out his daily life, would that help spread the virus. Lets say a flight attendant had late night fun and caught the virus. Lets say the virus spreads but does not show any sypmtoms allowing her to meet each passenger. If she was on a 747 that could cause alot of people to be infected. ANd when they got to the airport, they infect people going to other countries. - ForMotherRussia

WHat if scientists created a biological weapon? The current US military policy on this is make first but cure later? That can lead to a lot of deaths if it escaped. Also when the USSR collapsed many of its secret weapons and convential weapons became uncounted for? What if they are used? -ForMotherRussia

Well thank you for all of the help you have given me. I am very glad that you have took the time to help a newbie like me. I will not be on for a week because of Family Matters that I will not be going into. I will be leaving Thursday and will be back on the following Tuesday. So if you can do me a favor and make sure that no one messes with my page. I am in college at USC and there are idiots who taunt me because my love history. So can you keep on it. please -ForMotherRussia

Thank you for watching my page - ForMotherRussia

Can you look at my page for Russo-AMerican War (ultranationalist Russia) and tell my your thoughts. I am still working on the battle of Washington so it is not done yet. I know the pictures are from Call of Duty but those were the only pictures I could find. ANd no I do not play it. _ForMotherRussia

What do you mean? -ForMotherRussia

LG why did you delete my edits for Apocalypse, 2005 because the page does say that it is open for adoption, so wouldn't that mean I can edit it. -ForMotherRussia

Interview
Hello LG. I thought I give you an interview by giving you 10 questions about your the wiki and other related topics: RandomWriterGuy 19:28, February 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) When you first became a member of the TSPTF, what was your response?
 * 2) Did you like your job as a TSPTF member?
 * 3) Who is your closest friend in the wiki?
 * 4) Have you planned to make any TLs?
 * 5) Other than 1983: Doomsday, what are your favorite TLs?
 * 6) How did you and Mitro become friends?
 * 7) What are your favoirte historical topics?
 * 8) What's your political ideology?
 * 9) Who do you think contributed to you the most?
 * 10) Who have you contributed to the most?

Hay, I had to let you know, I added another picture to my page, but I deleted one of my pictures before I did it. ima firin ma lazar!!!!! o(@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 21:32, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

About thw TLs, are you proposing to create one just yet? RandomWriterGuy 07:02, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Italy in DD
Thank you for the offer, especially with Venice. As you can see. I have some relation to the areas that I have so far worked on. I am more than happy to work on any territories in Italy, Egypt and Armenia. Scandinator (talk) 08:19, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

ok. ima firin ma lazar!!!!! o(@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 14:03, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Need Help
Recently, Ty Rezac has been bothering me about pictures, and he doesn't seem to stop. He seems to ask me questions about every little thing. Can you tell him to stop? RandomWriterGuy 18:20, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about that. But I have a feeling that everytime he posts a picture, he's going to go ask me "Am I doing somethin wrong?" everytime. I feel that you should tell him that he's not doing it wrong and to not ask me about it anymore. RandomWriterGuy 23:12, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. RandomWriterGuy 23:46, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Im sorry, I didn't know that would make trouble, I was just trying to earn medals. ima firin ma lazar!!!!! o(@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 00:05, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Ok. Im sorry I won't edit anything else, Im sorry. ima firin ma lazar!!!!! o(@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 00:07, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

LG, is there a way where I can delete pictures/maps not needed anymore without becoming an admin? This is because I play a lot of map games and many of the maps become pointless within 5 days. :D Imperium Guy 01:24, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, that's fine. But I warn you, the deletion will become utterly boring, lol! :D Imperium Guy 08:55, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

A Question
I want to now how my page, Africae Pax, can be listed as Alien Space Bats, when Great White South also had a POD of an unexplained enviromental change. Tyler Pitts 21:13, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Many of the new things
Hello again LG,

I recently came up with a few ideas for my timeline and for Doomsday and I just thought that I should have you straighten them out.

1. 1983 Doomsday: I thought of a possible new nation called the New Teutonic Order that occupies most of the Kaliningrad Oblast. Since I'm assuming that Konigsberg would have been nuked, the capital would be some other city in the oblast. It would have good relations with other german nations and unlike the New Livion Order it would be a fully functioning nation with a semi-organized army.

2. My Timeline: Here are a few ideas I came up with and I want to see if they would be considered ASB. First, the Kerguelen plateau in the southern Indian Ocean never sank 30 million years ago, thus having several remnants of the Dinosuar era. The water displaced could be placed in a glacier in the middle of Antartica, delaying south pole expeditions by twenty years. Also, nations like the U.S. and Germany would continue projects like this,this,or this,thus increasing the global technology and warfare capabilities.

What do you think? All feedback will be appreciated. Monster Pumpkin 02:20, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Take two:

1. Doomsday: Shame about that. I am assuming that by refugees you mean people leaving the area, not coming in. I have another idea around the city of Smolensk, assuming it was nuked with a small device or not nuked at all (very unlikely).

2. Of course most dinosaurs would have still die, but I was thinking of small critters that were able to survive such an extinction event and later evolve into slightly larger creatures in a similar to what happened with mammals OTL. I was actually thinking of a combined-ish ecosystem, with small members of the dinosaur superorder and large flightless birds like New Zealand. And yes, I was inspired by another timeline in this regard.

About the technology: I don't really think that flying wings (number two) are really overated. They are better at flying than normal aircraft, which means less fuel consumption and better performance. I'm not saying that they would be a wonder weapon that would change the tide of any war, but they would be better then most ww2-era aircraft. Considering that some of the U.S.'s best aircraft are flying wings even today, that has to prove something about their combat capibilities.

Number one is practically useless, no doubt there, but I was thinking more of the principals around it that would be used. I'm not planning on airforces having flying saucers during the 60s, that's kinda dumb, lol.

The walking truck I think would be very useful especially in modern combat. The point, which I don't know if you read this or not, was to help soldiers move heavy stuff on difficult terrain. This one also has realistic promise, since the government is doing the same thing nowadays, just on a smaller scale, see this. Especially in the military, if you having something that works, its only a matter of time until they want weapons on it too, lol.

The main point was to increase modern warfare abilities and weapons, considering in my timeline WMDs are more prevelant and nations are less afraid to use them. However, I'm not planning on having laser satellites like in Superpowers.

I think I'm done putting forward my counter-argument here. Your turn! :) Monster Pumpkin 21:51, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, well, here we go again.

I understand that you might call this foolish, but what I did was took the Kerguelen plateau idea and inserted into my pre-existing timeline that is still under construction. I think I have a way of meshing its modern history perfectly with what I already have.

About the technology, again...

The majority of failures of Flying wing aircraft tests were because of the engines, not the fundamental design of the aircraft. These problems could have easily been fixed by a nation not at war. I'm not saying that they would be so good that they replace all other kinds of aircraft, just they are introduced to the majority of airforces.

The saucser stuff, oh well. Can't really win them all. The technique worked, so the technology might work in the future.

The walking machines, however, once again are possible to be used. The machines do not often break, just that they are difficult to operate. Conventional vehicles are not very good at transportation in the mountains, especially in an enemy country, and there are some things that soldiers cannot just carry on their own. The idea of my timeline is that conflict happens much more often, therefore the need of greater technology is more important for nation security and spreading national influence and such. The ability to move in difficult hostile terrain would be an important obstacle to conquer.

Now I realise that you must think that these ideas of mine are quite lame and would never work in any scenario, but I am just trying to make my timeline be as much as I planned it to be, as most people on this wikia try to do. If for some reason you still find these to be utterly impossible, perhaps you could offer some suggestions that would make them possible. Monster Pumpkin 03:14, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

More talking...

I thought we already agreed what I said was foolish. Either way, what I think I'm going to do is copy most of the info from the wikia onto a word document and reintroduce them into a new timeline once I sorted out all the problems.

One thing I don't understand is how the U.S. would either not form or be in a recognizable form. The OTL islands that are in the same area were only discovered in 1772, and that would not have resulted in any real difference in the war of independence if a micro-continent was there instead. Sure it might have been discovered a few years earlier because of its larger size, but that wouldn't affect the Americas that much.

About the B-2. The B-2 has served 23 years with only two accidents ever happening and only one of these accidents resulted in a permanent loss of the B-2. This happened when the flight computer recorded atmospheric conditions incorrectly, resulting in another computer taking the wrong course of action and crashing shortly afterword. The USAF have never regretted ordering the B-2. In fact, the USAF actually ordered a total of 165 of the aircraft to be made. It was only until Congress ordered the project to be slimmed down that the others were canceled.

I think the point we both agree on is that both the flying wings and walking machines have the potential to be important assets to a military. It's just that implementing them into a working role would be difficult and resource-consuming, somethings nations don't always the ability to do to make it happen. By the way, I think it might be important to note that the creator of flying wings in America, Jack Northrop, said that the reason why the government didn't choose to develop his aircraft further was because the government wanted him to merge his company with another and he refused. This might be the POD that changes the history of U.S. aircraft. Just saying. Also, while I do want my timeline to be more advanced than OTL, I do not want it to be anywhere close to that in Superpowers. I understand that few PODs would result in a technology level like that one. I don't want millions of people living on Mars or armies of cloned Humans. What I am trying to do is incoperate the previous things into a timeline that is truly unique compared to everyone else's. This does not include the disk-shaped aircraft, because if I had my way, they would have first been tried in the 1940s, canceled shortly afterword, and experimented on again in the 2000s when better engines come out.

If you have any ideas on that regard please share. I look forward to seeing what you say about all of this. Thanks. Monster Pumpkin 20:42, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

New ideas.

I'm going to stop talking about the B-2 right now, as we're kinda getting sidetracked from the main point.

Here is an attempt to put all of these things together:

Keruegelen Microcontinent

The Keruegelen Island was first sighted by Drake's expedition in 1579, who explores the northern coast before returning to England. The first colony, a British one, is established in 1632. The colony has difficulty expanding due to the colder temperatures, and few resources are discovered to be there at first. The colony endures several hardships, such as a disease outbreak in 1690 that kills a large amount of the population. A source of Iron is discovered in the central part of the island in 1703, and the population rises to mine the resouce.

When the American Revolution starts in 1775, the colony supported the British. They sent supplies and about 1000 men to serve in the British Army. This prolonged the war for about another year until the Netherlands contributed soldiers to the effort, securing American victory. The colony on the island was ceded to France in the Treaty of Paris after a combined French-Spanish fleet attacked the island and took it over.

France loses the colony to Austria after the war of the Sixth Coalition, and Austria set about expanding the colony, now at about 200,000 people in 1814. Mining prospectors discover some quantities of silver and copper 1825, and population starts to rise once again.

Following Austria's defeat in the Austro-Prussian War, the northern half went to Prussia/Germany while the southern half remained in Austrian hands. The southern half is colder and is unable to support a larger population like in the north.

Austria and Germany made great use of the island and its resources in World War One, using it to test new weapons and provie aid to the main fronts. The island was not invaded due to the large distance from either South Africa or Austrailia, but it was sometimes bombarded by British Warships. When the Central Powers were defeated in 1918, the southern half went to Iberia and the northern half was forced to become independent along with another German colony.

The new government supported the Allies in World War Two, and invaded the southern half, now controlled by Fascist Iberia. The front claims about 15,250 lives, and prolongs the war to 1946. Uranium supplies on the island aided the Allies's Manhattan Project, but also aiding the Axis project as well, leading to a very shaky peace agreement that ends the war. The southern half united with the north and is a member of the German Commonwealth since 1928.

The island has a unique ecosystem similar to that of New Zealand or Madigascar, and some of the animals exhibit the same island gigantisim there.

The rest just goes on with the new country supporting NATO against Communism in World War Three and other smaller wars. I also have plans for the other things I mentioned, nowhere near as grand as I planned, but still there, playing small minor roles. What do you think? Monster Pumpkin 22:14, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, someone else gets there first, thinking the Dutch.

Iberia would join the Allies in WW1 because of the Alliance between Portugal and Britian, which was carried over during the unification.

By similar to Madagascar I meant size, not actual genetic similarities.

I was not planning for Germany to become fascist, but have a different political system after WW1. As I said, Germany would be on the Allies's side.

The microcontinent would not be much warmer, as the northern part is about at the latitude as southern New Zealand and Argentina, so the southern part would be much colder than the northern part. As for the rest, it's mostly temperate.

I'm probably going to mark my current timeline for deletion sometime this weekend, and start the new one about the same time. I realize that some of the politcal events I have planned are a bit implausible, but that's the way I see it. Alternate history is about what didn't happen, not follow strict guidelines on what to do. Obviously there are limits in regards with natural events (Shattered into Pieces like Glass) and aliens or the undead (very many of those), but there are other timelines I have seen that are also implausible that follow only political differences that are not marked ASB.

Also, on another note, where did the actual term "Alien Space Bats" originate from? Monster Pumpkin 17:38, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Kerr Republic
I forgot all about it! I'll get to work on it soon, sorry! CrimsonAssassin 13:33, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Libya
As Caer has not removed improbable and impossible sections, so I have.

The article is now yours, though you may want to block editing on it for a while otherwise Caer may try to continue editing--Smoggy80 19:12, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

As suspected he did, i've made it so only admin can edit--Smoggy80 19:54, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

You may want to talk to Oerwinde about Cyrenaica he hasn't edited it in a while, possibly expand it into the inhabitable sections of Libya (however small that area is) and set up a reasonable border with Egypt--Smoggy80 10:13, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

I've already given LG permission to work on the article. If you feel like contributing as well, feel free.Oerwinde 12:10, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

I'll leave it to LG, Libya's his now--Smoggy80 17:25, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

Sandbox
Hey, LG. I was wondering, how do I make an sandbox for my ideas? Enclavehunter 06:11, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Enclavehunter 15:02, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

Just the Usual
Is it possible for another WRCB UIP headline where the UIP buy another 15 Su-35s off the USSR and increase trading deals? I think a part about new industries being set up and a good harvest would also be "spiffing!!" :D Imperium Guy 22:49, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

Well thb, the harvest we can do without but I think writing about the industry would be good because it would symbolize the UIP government managing to open up new employment areas as well as help to manufacture goods which are needed by the populace. Another reason is its shows the country is managing to revive and grow its industrial strength, thus cutting down on its "back-burners", lol! :D Imperium Guy 18:15, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Yes! BTW, have the Su-35s completed training yet? :D Imperium Guy 11:42, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Ok. :D Imperium Guy 19:41, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Adopting an anon's timeline
Hey LG, just a quick question. I wanted to adopt the No Napoleon timeline, but I realized through the history that the timeline had been created through an author using an IP address. I checked the IP out to see if he edited in the last while to ask to adopt the article but I realized he hasn't edited in two years. I'm not entirely sure the author created an account or not. Should I still message the IP and ask to adopt the article, despite the fact that IPs change over time and he might not even get the message? Thanks. ChrisL123 02:01, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

hi lg

its dean, i wont be on much longer today, so i thought id say hi real quick. DeanSims 19:31, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Playing by the rules
We can go about this by the rules or I can bring you up for disciplinary action. The Libya article is up for review until March 10th. After that, the concensus will deternine what is done. If changes are not made to your satisfaction by then, you can adopt the then obsolete article as your own. SouthWriter 20:10, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

PS. That last part assumes that the community agrees with you. We have until next Saturday for other editors to chime in. SouthWriter 00:36, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

Okay al do it once a month. ima firin ma lazar!!!!! o(@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 01:57, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Eventual stuff
You know how you said that an India-Pakistan war would probably unite the sub-continent? Well, I think there is a way we can tie this in with unification. Lets say India invades Kashmir, to capture lost territory and more specifically Jammu, Kashmir is muslim (this could be a deliberate move). Pakistan will reply back and war would break out between the two. We then have the rebellion in Tamil Nadu taking place, speading to Andhra and Rayalaseema. Although Tamil Nadu will try to stop the rebellion, it cannot as Tamillian elements start to join in to free itself from an autocracy. In the meantime Pakistan manage to just win the war in a few crucial battles, taking a slight bit of land form the UIP.

This shows the need to the populace of the southern breakaways of banding together to protect from a Pakistani threat and now around half of all Tamilians pledge in their support to the rebellion. By this time the UIP would get their act together and with ANZC (or USSR) support help to liberate Nadu, Andhra and Rayalaseema as well as Nada. They will re-form the UIP and then... (I don't know, lol)

Your thought please! :D Imperium Guy 20:22, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Couldn't help noticing this as I looked for the Gansu thing

Hate to be the killer, but the SAC might even intervene if the UIP went on a campaign like that unless the UIP was attacked. There is little chance an invasion of Kashmir is occuring.

Oh my God. I'm starting to sound like LG...

jk GunsnadGlory 19:52, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Soz for the late reply...

I like the maybe winter stuff. I just hope I am still around, lol!! Most of these N-E nations are going to be maoist or run by something like maoism, won't they? And when they are invaded, their armies would fall, so would that mean that they could not form insurgency movements again? And tell Guns he's still got 30,000 edits to go to sound like u (I've only got something like 25,000!!!), lol. :D Imperium Guy 20:02, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

I hope to be!! I agree the UIP can use the tactics India in OTL cannot, proabaly because of humanitarian issues. I just saw my point and realised I am third although I don't remember making a lucky edit!! :D Imperium Guy 10:37, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

... Come to think of it... if one of them instigated it... the SAC might back off... GunsnadGlory 19:21, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

East/West Japan
Hi,

Thanks for the heads up on the East/West Japan page. I appreciate it.

G.

Sandbox
Why did you delete my sandbox? If I did something wrong can you explain what it was and help me fix it? Monster Pumpkin 21:49, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I din't know how to make one. When you deleted it I looked for rules regarding sandboxes for a reason why but I didn't find anything. Thanks for fixing that though, I appreciate it. Monster Pumpkin 03:34, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

QSS and Contradictions
I would like your advice on a problem I am having with Easternized World. As I adopted it, I cannot change Riction's work, only add to it, or else violate QSS. However, I have found a contradiction within his material he added to the earlier timeline, and thus I do not know if I should choose to accept one view.

The contradiction exists in the section on Spanish North Africa's religion. In the earlier timeline of the 1600s, Riction stated that "there was an unstoppable Christianization plan put into place that forced unconverted Muslims into hiding. Christians would become a majority in Spanish North Africa by the end of the century."

This makes it apparent that at least in the earlier parts of Spanish North Africa, Christianity has a strong hold. However, in a later post of his (in the 1800s timeline that I later moved to its own seperate page about the war), he speaks of the Spanish Nuclear Genocide targets in this way: "These cities included Kairouan, and Rabat - by far, the largest two. Marrakech was eyed as a concentration camp city, but was rejected, as it was by now mostly Christian Berber, while Kairouan and Rabat were still majority Muslim."

What seems strange here is that Rabat, one of the first cities the Spanish would take over, thus being under their rule the longest, would still be majority Muslim. If Christianity had failed to penetrate the large coastal cities, where the Catholic Spaniards would have the strongest holds on, and would have the most Spanish immigration, how could it possibly have penetrated the rural areas to the extent that the Christians there outnumber the ones in the cities? Kairouan's case is a bit more understandable, that Muslims would hold onto their holy city longer, but it still makes no sense after more than a century and a half after the Spanish territory has become majority Christian, that two of the earliest cities which the Spanish took (as they are on the coast) would still be majority Muslim, but somehow rural areas (which sensibly would have been less easily converted) would have converted faster.

What I want to do is just delete that one line which says that Spanish North Africa was Christianized, as the nuking of those two cities is much more important to the timeline, but I wanted an official word first. Thank you for your help. LurkerLordB (Talk) 01:10, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

You may like this
Hello LG. I have been doing more reading about Afghanistan, and I believe I have come across an interesting destiny for NU that I strongly believe you will like. I wanted to get some feedback before I make mention of it on the timeline. It involves King. I read that Najibullah invited him to return to Afghanistan, but the west pressured him not to go (because it was believed that had Shah began cooperation with Kabul, the Mujahedin would likely stop fighting). But had he remained in power (which is pretty much a given with the continued USSR), it would become less likely to keep Shah out. You know my stance on monarchies, but I find this scenario too good to push aside, and I can see two outcomes of this idea. Both involve the continuation of the Najibullah government, and are.


 * Shah becomes part of the negotiations to bring peace in the nation. Willing to work with the Afghans, Shah's return would encourage many of the Mujahedin to stop fighting (many of whom would not want to fight Shah himself). As far as this goes, this would allow no major changes to what is already canon, and could still lead to a separatist movement in the south.


 * Felling his time is long gone, Najibullah would agree on a proposal which would reestablish the Kingdom of Afghanistan. I believe this would gain support from both sides (as neither side would gain [or keep] power in Kabul), and would make the world happy.

I hope I have intreagued you. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 16:27, March 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't follow. You say "rump", do you mean the Najibullah government? Either way, glad youcan agree with me. So correct me if I'm wrong: Shah returns (not too sure what he would do if the monarchy isn't restored and remains the [D]RA), Massoud sides with Kabul, war breaks out with southern radicals, and Pashtunistan, Cyprus-like Afghanistan. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 19:55, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Shorter Spanish Civil War
Hey LG, I had a new idea for a timeline and I just wanted your opinion on it. I probably won't start on it until I get a considerable amount of work done on No Belgium but I just wanted to bring it up.

What I had in mind is that was a success that successfully overthrew the democratic government and resulted in an earlier Fascist Spain. Since the "civil war" would have been shorter, less lives would be lost (thus more ready troops), wouldn't have lost a considerable amount of weapons and aircrafts, and the country would not have much debt and destruction. What I had in mind was that in the 3 years Spain saved from a civil war, Hitler would try to create a closer relationship with the Fascist nations (Spain and of course Italy) and would promise Spain territorial gains such as Gibraltar and perhaps French colonies in Africa.

But my concern is would Spanish intervention cause a considerable amount of damage on the Allies? Could they in anyway help the Germans in an invasion (Operation Sea Lion?) or an air raid? ChrisL123 00:41, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Call it deja vu, but this was the exact same topic me and my friend were discussing!! A bit freaky to say the least. But my name topic is the UIP news thing, now would be a good time as any to get the WCRB headline about the Indo-Soviet Treaty of Friendship. :D Imperium Guy 20:44, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

wahts up LG?
hey dude, whats up? DeanSims 15:11, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, just wanting an elaboration on the Sino-Russian war. Is too unrealistic? How should i change it?

you lucky stiff, I ve wanted to see that since the commarcials came out, anything having to do with war on mars looks good to me. hope your inlaws are okay and dont hog all of the popcorn. DeanSims 15:37, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

lucky, all i get is the regular sized bag. they charge an arm adn a leg for popcorn these days, so i bring in my backpack, stuff it with chips, soda, and candy and wwalk right in. I buy a ticket,and go to my movie. saves me a ton, once i brought in a 3 liter of pop adn they didnt even check my backpack, it was bulging with junk food. DeanSims 15:50, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

No Louisana
Hey LG. I'm getting back to my timelines: No Louisana and I had an few questions. How would the Napoleonic War go if America didn't by Louisana, how would Mexico be affected, what how would the War of 1812 go? Enclavehunter 20:47, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

1983 DD Tajikistan
Hello again.

While I was looking through the DD maps I noticed that no one had made an article on Tajikistan. When I searched it to make sure, I found a page with nothing on it. On its talk page you had written that anyone could do something with it. Can I adopt it and create an article on it? Monster Pumpkin 21:21, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Curse you outdated maps! Oh well. So you're basically saying that I could make it an article on the Tajik SSR before doomsday? Monster Pumpkin 21:33, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

I know I didn't say it, but I kinda meant what you said as well. Making a history of the area during and after doomsday and all the nations and events that happened in/near it. Monster Pumpkin 22:01, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought I understood Stubs and templates. I took the template categorizing from the TEInfo template as a guide. I will stop putting that in there. I took your advice on India and Egypt, the flags were picked for visual purposes, but now i have a more consistent look for the two. hopefully :>)

I appreciate any advice and feedback. thank youCassAnaya 15:05, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Libya
Once the impossible states have been obsoleted you may want to make sure that all unclaimed land is divided between Egypt, Tamahaq and Cyrenaica.

Also had an idea about Cyrenaica, possibly divide it into eastern and western section, eastern section to remain Cyrenaica and the west to become Tripolitania?--Smoggy80 18:36, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Although saying that Caer's still fighting.--Smoggy80 18:45, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Ideas for an Y2K timeline?
Hey LG, again. I want to make an Y2K timeline (I know popular), and I was wondering how would I be able to make it, without going implausible? Enclavehunter 00:32, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

The ASBs
What are all the new ASB categories? I see bias, and time travel, but are there any others? And can things be more than one? Also, I assume biased includes biased against. LurkerLordB (Talk) 02:19, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

OK, good. And as for the biased against, I was imagining things like someone makes a timeline "John Kerry Wins in 2004" and then they say that since the Democrats ruled, it was the end of civilization or something. LurkerLordB (Talk) 02:27, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Egyptian/Tamahaq border
I would like to finalise an exact border for Tamahaq and Egypt in the desert of former southern Libya, I was thinking as there are no geographical features (like a river or major mountain range or something) in the area, what about using lines of longitude.

Which line is up to you. But I was thinking about 14 degrees east? also I will need a northern border I was thinking 25 degrees north.

If you type 25,14 into google maps it should brink up a pointer at 25 North, 14 East.

Adjust as needed.

--Smoggy80 18:39, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

13 east looks good, but 29 north is a bit far north for the Tamahaq border, it is after all a smallish country, I was thinking further south maybe 27 north? There is oil in that area and the Greeks could be exploiting it as the Egyptians are in the east--Smoggy80 09:49, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Split the difference, 28 degrees north it is.--Smoggy80 15:05, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

I don't understand what you mean by 14 degrees east cutting off territory on all maps?

In clarification, what I am suggesting is within the former Libyan border, a line from the former Libyan southern border at the point of 14 degrees east, then the line running north to 28 degrees north, then 90 degrees turn to the west and continuing until the western former Libyan border at the point of 28 degree north, giving a roughly square section of Tamahaq territory in the south west of former libya.

If you require it to be smaller let me know, thats why I said 25 degrees north originally, I was a little suprised when you mentioned 29 degrees north.--Smoggy80 15:47, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Ah didn't realise the line I'd suggested clipped Egyptian territory, sorry.

That line you've drawn looks fine to me, (could we start it at the old Chad/Libya/Niger tri-border point, i think its about 23N, 15E but could be wrong) I'll take the it to the 28th degree, let the greeks (or even Egypt) have more land, that area could be opened up for oil exploration (between 28 and 29 degrees north) as it does have some oil reserves.--Smoggy80 11:23, March 24, 2012 (UTC)



Something like that--Smoggy80 11:53, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Ok i'll take up to the 29N level, so something like this?



--Smoggy80 15:48, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

How about his for the map of modern Libya



Don't know how far Egypt and Cyrenaica go

--Smoggy80 15:27, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Finland and Food in 1983: Doomsday
Previously, I made edits to the Finland and Food pages of 1983: Doomsday. I did see you have reverted it. Look, I wanted to say i was not vandalizing the page, yet the content was removed. Why was it? RandomWriterGuy 21:57, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Food is okay. I thought you removed the content.

For Finland, that page hasn't be edited for a long time! And it said it was put under adoption once! That's why I edited it. RandomWriterGuy 03:36, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Things In My Timeline
Hey, LG. I had a couple of questions for you. Recently, I have been working on this timeline. I'm starting from the present and working my way backwards. I have most of the details worked out, but some of the things that are bugging me are Space Travel and Expansion.

My earlier version of the timeline involved me randomly calling stuff that made the US get bigger. However, that was implausible, so I revised my timeline and gave it a real POD, in the Battle of Lundy's Lane in the War of 1812. Then the ASB tag was removed.

So now, I was wondering if I made space travel a little more advanced (say, moon bases with people living there), would it be reclassified as one of the ASBs? I noticed that in Aztec Empire, the USA and the Aztec Empire have a moon base (Ozcallan-Ontario) so I was inspired to put something of the sort in my TL.

My next question is about the Expansion. The Expansion goes like this:

1812: US wins Battle of Lundy's Lane and subsequently the War of 1812. (now known as the First Anglo-American War) Then the US acquires all of OTL Canada. (Although this was not the name of the area at the time)

Because the UK was more heavily involved in North America, the Napoleonic Wars lasted until 1817 and Napoleon's defeat at Waterloo by the Tenth Coalition.

After the First Mexican-American War (OTL Mexican-American War), the three Rio Grande states are taken alongside Alta California to prevent Mexico from attacking Texas.

Then when William Walker made the Republic of Sonora, it was annexed to keep the balance of states. (They would ironically become free states since the Rio Grande states were slave states and unbalanced the government.)

Then Mexico would wage more wars against America, resulting in total annexation.

So what do you think?

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:28, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, first off, thank you for explaining all that to me. However, the POD is that Lundy's Lane actually happened in 1812 (in the ATL, not OTL), which is why America won. I read that both sides were stronger (which is due to the fact that neither nation was worn-down yet.) Then the British would turn more forces to the North.

The Battle of Crysler's Farm would also follow earlier, with Americans now trying secure points along the Northern border. This would most likely result in a victory.

Now, I know that the British would have much more superior military, and power over the inexperienced Americans, but in most wars, soldiers are more willing to fight at the beginning of a war. (Although they're probably not that willing anyways.)

I was also considering, that near the end of the OTL war, Lord Liverpool would not realize that the War would do them no good (which he did in OTL), resulting in this war lasting longer, and maybe Upper and Lower Canada, and OTL Ontario area falling to America.

Then I suppose in the British Civil War and after World War II, the US could take the remains of scatterred Canada.

And by the way, I said above (Although this was not the name of the area at the time)

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 16:35, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

DD North Africa map
I've roughly done this map of 2012 North Africa, I know its rubbish as i'm really no good at maps



I've removed the old nations borders where they are no longer relevent, the only areas not claimed are shown in white.

is that correct or are any of the white areas taken? the bits in former Liberia will disappear in the next few months. --Smoggy80 18:08, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Also what is the nation north of Senegal and south of the Pais Del Oro? I can't seem to find reference to it anywhere.

And what is the RASD near Algeria?--Smoggy80 18:15, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Please stop
I would appreciate that you refrain from circumventing my wishes. I will work on the President's page when I feel it is ready. There was no need for you to revert my edits, and definitely no need to re-upload a duplicate image in order to circumvent me. All I ask is that you respect my wishes, as I don't do this to you. Please and thank you. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 22:21, March 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * I was not aware of the policy. And which picture are you referring to? But either way, what's done is done, time to move on. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 22:48, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Mesquite in 1983: DD
Hey LG. I was wondering if its plausible to have an small city-state located in Mesquite, Nevada, which is located south along the border of Utah and Nevada, and has its own water supply from the Virgin River nearby. Enclavehunter 17:56, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

Oh. Okay. Enclavehunter 21:56, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

New Ottoman Empire
Hey,

I realise the (my) timeline is ASB, but I cannot really think of a way to make it interesting. I'm fine with overhauling it to an extent, but I wondered if you have any suggestions?

TheB 16:13, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I decided to remove the Greek bit just before you put the message, it screwed too much up. I haven't had time to dedicate myself to a detailed timeline, hence the lack of explanation which you mentioned. But thanks, I might actually have time to write something decent now.

TheB 08:29, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

RE:Warning
I am very sorry about happened late night, when is saw that I could earn badges by editing 1983: Doomsday, I kinda asummed it was a free edit. I should have looked to see if there was a policy and with it was before I edited it. Again I am sorry and it will not happen again. AH2000 8:05, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Ideas
I have a few ideas for new timelines. which I have garnered from reading the Changing the Times website and Othertimelines.com. Yank 14:29, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Three Mile Meltdown- I know the Three Mile Island disaster does count as a meltdown, but what if different circumstances cause a Chernobyl-style explosive meltdown?
 * 2) Zionist Uganda- What if the Zionists accepted the original Uganda plan?
 * 3) Ussuri River War- What if the Soviet Union and China went to war over the Ussuri River dispute?'
 * 4) Comrade Hitler- What if Hitler became a Communist?

I've got a few bonus timelines that I forgot to mention. Bonus: Yank 21:58, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) That's about it, but the post suggested that the meltdown would be strong enough to affect the American Federal government in Washington.
 * 2) The timeline had Israel form in East Africa instead of Palestine.
 * 3) I believe that the timeline's authors made the Chinese so blindingly stupid was because they realized the only way China could be taken down was if basically everyone ganged up on them. It's still the best timeline on that website
 * 4) The Axis consists of Germany, Austria, Spain and the Soviet Union. The Allies consist of the United States, Britain, France, Italy and Japan. The Japanese joined the war because fear of the Communist alliance was greater than fear of America. That and the fact that Tojo was made to commit hari-kiri.
 * 1) What would happen if Charles II was the last King of England? The position of Lord Protector becomes elected following Richard Cromwell.
 * 2) What would happen if the Confederate Clebourne Memorial was acted apon when the confederacy had time to reverse their fortunes? The Clebourne Memorial was a real document calling for the recruitment of slaves into the Confederate Army, and would give them their freedom after service. The timeline basically has Confederacy, as ironic as it seems, progressing far quicker in civil rights than the OTL US did. So much that they have their first black president a good 40 years before OTL. It's not all roses, as the Union had anti-black and anti-abolitionist riots that killed a good number of people (including the father of the Wright brothers). Through voluntary emigrations and forced deportations to Liberia the United States effectively rid themselves of their black population. The author is one of the finest free-lance alternate historians I have read on the internet. I've left a link to the article here.

I admit that many of the timelines are a bit absurd, so I'll concentrate on two. Yank 02:19, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Comrade Hitler- Republican Spain joined the alliance because of their aid in the civil war, and Austria did it because their government is nothing but a German puppet state. What would happen to the world after the Communist alliance is defeated?
 * 2) King Charles the Last- Where would the Royalist government form? Could we see the rise of a Kingdom of Virginia? What would be the butterflies resulting from this divergence?

I believe that the failure of the English restoration would provide enough Royalist refugees to strengthen Virginia, and the very Protestant Commonwealth would need to spend enough time holding down Scotland and Ireland. The Virginians would use this time to solidify their position on the continent.

Yank 02:59, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

hey LG
Im in springbreak finaly!!! whats up dude. was john carter any good? DeanSims 14:39, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

sorry, i missed your opinion of the movie. ive been good. spring break just started and i went to the library today and some old jerks tried to get me in trouble for not being in school because i took the best computer in the joint. and i vollunteered at a food bank, where these people go, the ones that tried to get me in trouble, and saw them there, they saw me, and they still tried to ge3t me in trouble. considering stopping being nice to peple i see there. DeanSims 14:51, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

yeah, i guess your right, its just that wenever im nice to someone, it always comes back to bight me in the ass.

in other news, i made a new recipe for french toast. and its actauly TOAST.

get some bread.

cinnamon,

sugar

syrup

pre-heat oven to 350 degrees farenhight

put sugar on the bread

put syrup on bread

put on cinnamon

optional: stick butter before you put on sugar and spread it on the bread, it helps the ingredaents melt together in the oven.

put in oven for 10 minutes

take out, and eat, or do what id o, and stuff my face.

DeanSims 15:12, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

alright, see ya dude, or tipe to you later. DeanSims 15:24, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Ideas II
Who should fill the position of third main member of the Communist Axis, then? Austria isn't a main member by any definition, as it is the equivilent to one of the weaker powers like Hungary or Romania that had the Germans pulling their strings. I have an idea on the nations that would exist in King Charles The Last's alternate North America. Tell me what you think about them. Yank 17:43, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Virginia- the aformentioned royalist exile state. King Charles I (OTL King Charles II) would likely adopt a constitution to appease his new country. Would likely own Bermuda.
 * Plymouth/New England- A puritainical theocracy, given how that was the makeup of the New England colonies at the time.
 * Canada- A primarily French-speaking state, as the British conquering of Canada may have been butterfly'd out of existance due to the POD. Either a republic or kingdom, depending on what happens to France proper.
 * New Netherland- The failure of the Restoration would effectively cancel the conquering of the colony, as it happened only a few years after the Restoration. Would likely still conquer New Sweden.
 * Mexico- Either a constitutional monarchy or a republic. May or may not own Louisiana.
 * Florida- Some form of Republic. Something of a melting pot as the country could have considerable communities of Frenchmen and Englishmen as well as the Spanish.
 * Alaska- With no America to sell the colony to, the Russians would likely keep the colony.

Other than adjusting the membership of the Axis-analogue, do you have any issues with the timeline? I'd like to focus on King Charles the Last. I would like you to discuss any issues you have with each of the countries. I'd really like to start work on this timeline. Yank 02:34, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Virginia- It's government structure is more or less what Britain would have had in OTL.
 * Plymouth/New England- a puritanical theocracy, akin to a Christian version of OTL Iran.
 * Canada- Another monarchy-in-exile.
 * New Netherland- A republic like the home country, but the head of state is actually elected in New Netherland.
 * New Sweden- Either a monarchy or a republic. They may want to rename their nation, but I don't know what to rename them.
 * Louisiana- Another French state, because New France as a whole was too huge to stay in one piece. The Louisianian royal line is another branch of the Canadian,
 * Mexico-A constitutional monarchy, but based around Agustín de Iturbide.
 * Florida- A presidential Republic, as it gives the three languages equal representation. They may have chose the "President" title because the three groups could agree on it.
 * Alaska- Potentially a refuge for the Czar and his family during the civil war. Even though it is centuries after the POD, the timeline could have the civil war happen earlier.
 * Deseret?- If the Mormons (or a similar group) arise in America, could a Mormons form a country in the confusion? It could be potentially be located in the OTL state of Illinois.

hey LG
WHATS UP? did you get enough sleep yesterday? DeanSims 15:30, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

alright tipe to you later. DeanSims 15:39, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

King Charles the Last
Do you have any issues with this timeline, or can we start creating it?

Yank 22:28, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

A Violent Peace
Hi! I was wondering if you could me a bit with my timeline, A Violent Peace? It's not too plausible, so I would like to know if there are any ways I can make it plausible, mostly giving Hitler the meds he needs to not be a complete and total pschopath, turning him from warmonger to advocate for moral things (very specific, I know).

Canuck2012 19:40, April 2, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

Flags
Look. I wasn't rying to do it okay. Sure the original flags I will try to get them from the wiki from now on, but for all else, i was not trying to make duplicates! RandomWriterGuy 00:01, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I kinda realized it made little sense, but how did it go against the Gansu article? :/ Imperium Guy 11:17, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Ohhh, if you put it that way!! :/ Imperium Guy 13:54, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

We are one and the same
... At least according to the people over on the "Implausable" Alternative History wiki, who. led by DeanSims now, are claiming that LurkerLordGanon is some sort of psychotic racist and dictator or whatnot. Anyways, thought it would be funny to mention that, as it has made me realize that our names are fairly similar. Anyways, nothing to worry about (the "Implausable" wiki's problems are seen in its name), I just thought it was humorous what having admins with similar names caused. Lol. LurkerLordB (Talk) 22:03, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Just so you know, DeanSims tried to get the Wikia staff to intervene (but they shut him down), he is trying to get people to propose that he is made admin of this wiki, and if the anon who came from the "Implausable" wiki just to support Dean here was the first of many, some of them may be coming here to cause trouble. So if in a week when DeanSims is unblocked you see a ton of drama all over the place from him and others, that's the cause. LurkerLordB (Talk) 01:40, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for correcting me for the categories. I haven't been here for awhile so I forgot much of the wiki. =) Sei-san 00:55, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Blogpost
I am sorry Lordganon. I didn't think it was offensive, and now that I look at it, it is offensive. Please forgive me, and I will try to not make Blogpost like that again.TacoCopper 22:56, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Formal notice of an indefinite wikibreak
I haven't really been active on here for quite some time, and I apologize for not getting around to this sooner.

I simply don't have the time, and the will, to properly contribute to the Wiki. Therefore, I'm going on an extended break, with an option to return to full-time status at some point in the future. That could be sooner than later, more likely it won't be for a long time.

I do need to finish up the Republic of Texas and ANZS Commonwealth articles and plan to do so.

If anyone wishes to adopt the articles I've been caretaker of while I'm gone, you have my blessing. (I do reserve the right to reverse/adjust any changes that are too far out of line.)

Oh yeah: don't kill SouthWriter while I'm gone. :)

Best of luck with the wiki.

BrianD 16:02, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

IP Check
How to you send them an IP check? Because I was suspicious that the anonymous IP 90.244.93.149 only contributed to all of Wikia in the DeanSims banning scandal, and there they did exactly what DeanSims wanted (flamed me, supported his unban, etc.). LurkerLordB (Talk) 20:30, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

It turns out it was not him, and it is not in a similar area either, so its not like a real-life friend came on to back him. I assume the IP belongs to someone on wikia, perhaps another wiki, who is a friend of DeanSims. LurkerLordB (Talk) 02:55, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

TSPTF
Sure. Enclavehunter 21:58, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Can do, thanking you :) VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 23:29, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

TSPTF
Oh I did not know the news about Brian (Just now i arrived from the Via Crucis). But well, about the new position, thanks LG, that would be a great honour for me! :D --Katholico 01:14, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

TSPTF
In this case, what i have to do as lieteunant?

So, yes, i would be interested.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 08:56, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Constable Offer
Once again, I have to reject your kind offer. I'm quite busy what with A2 Revision, my new job (don't get paid but what the hell), applying for university accomodation, and preparing for the mega-super-ultra-holiday-of-best-awesomeness at the end of the year. To be honest, I only really look in to see whats going on in Britain in Doomsday, settle arguements over stuff I've written and update the Principia Moderni game. Mumby 07:50, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Lieutenant offer
Thanks for the offer, LG! I think I'll take up the offer, thanks. I can't promise I'll be around constantly but I'd love to give additional help to our community. Feg 10:05, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

British Columbia without Confederation
Hey LG, quick question. In No Napoleon, I had Lower Canada rebelling and successfully gaining independence with help from France and the US. To protect the other colonies from declaring independence or getting annexed, the UK would make Ontario and Acadia (Newfoundland island, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, PEI) into dominions. Later, I'd assume the UK would join Rupert's Land and the North-Western Territory to Ontario to make Borealia (or some other name, I'll have to see), but would they also join New Caledonia (British Columbia) to it? I was only taught up to 1867 confederation and not sure about BC, so. I'd appreciate the insight. ChrisL123 19:22, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

See, the thing is, I don't think there'd be a lot different for OTL Canada except
 * the War of 1812 might not happen, depending on US attitudes to the British
 * even if it does happen, the British wouldn't have to worry about the French in Europe, and even if the French send troops to help, it should be pretty evened out for it to be a status quo ante bellum
 * the British would have no trouble getting OTL Oregon
 * Quebec's independence after the, 1838

Once Quebec is free, Ontario would be a dominion and would be fearing American annexation considering the threat they imposed through Quebec, and I'd guess that Ontario and Rupert's Land would join in the late 1840s? If so, they would have been able to expand into Rupert's land decades earlier, so when it comes to the 1860s and 70s, they would have surveyed a majority of the land. Meanwhile in New Caledonia, the British would have no trouble colonizing the Oregon region considering the lack of Americans in that area. It'd be easier for them to settle and easier to find gold in the area sooner.

Railways, I doubt they'd be much different from OTL.

Also, thanks for that note. My grade 8 teachers told us it was called the Dominion of Canada, I guess I can't rely on them that much, LOL. I'd assume Acadia would be the same thing, Kingdom of Acadia?

ChrisL123 20:11, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Great, thanks. Now, I just need quick help with the HRE and German remnant part of this.

Considering the Napoleonic Wars wouldn't collapse the HRE, it would still exist until later, which I expect to end at the Austro-Franco-Prussian War (I'll need to come up with a shorter name for that...). What I was thinking was that along with Austria and Prussia, France would have political influence in the German states. If I assume correctly, many of these states would want to unite into a nation without heavy Prussian influence. Eventually, war would break out.

I'm sure that the war would end in Franco-Austrian victory. But then my problem comes. I had made it that the German states would unite into Germany, without Prussia, and Germany would have political influence from both France and Austria. But would it make more sense that the states with Austrian and French influence would be annexed, or would these states not unite at all? Thanks so much. ChrisL123 22:55, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

JPK
Please show me (1) where my edits have taking away from the sprit of the article. (2) which rules have I have violated.

I am your respectful friend,

Bill

Second Yugoslav War
It appears progress on the article has been slow, would you like me to take the helm on this one or are you fine with keeping it under your care? I'm just afraid you've completely forgotten about it. Ownerzmcown 22:26, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Good to know, but just one question. How much of the Serbian Navy will be destroyed because the two frigates and submarines would supplement the Macedonian Navy well. Thank you. Ownerzmcown 14:45, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder, but another question: What happens to Bosnia politically on a regional level and with relations with Macedonia after the war ends? Ownerzmcown 15:13, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry, but I needed to get through to MattiasWestby. Me and him were discussing something, so I decided to tell him. And, uh, I know first hand that no one actually reads through that welcome template. Anyways, I figured AwesomePeruvian ought to get the same message, since he was continuously playing for someone else's nation in another map game. I was just too lazy to write the whole thing all over again, and for someone reason I can't copy source mode in my computer, so I made it into a template. Then I was thinking, "Heck, might as well this guy as too." when I saw Jimmybnascar start the Dale Earnhardt page. (Which, I now know is althist. I really didn't read through it because I assumed it was a biography. Oh well. Never assume.)

Anyways, I'm sorry, I was just trying to help out those guys.

And, if you think that I was attempting to start any drama, I wasn't.

Regards, Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:57, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, LG, I completely understand, and I apologize once again. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 16:03, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

JPK Updates
I was only able to locate one other member who has made any real contribution to the timeline.

If I get that member's approval would it be alright to use my changes?

Your Humble Servant,

Bill

Another Doomsday question
I was reading about Iraq in doomsday, and I noticed that one of the Iraqi survivor states, the Islamic Republic of Iraq, does not have an article. If I wanted to create such an article, I should contact the author first, right? Also, how large must an article be before it becomes canon? Monster Pumpkin 22:37, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Monster Pumpkin 22:47, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Cuban Missile Crisis Escalation
Hey LG. I was wondering what is the plauisbility of the Cuban Missile Crisis escalating into World War III? Enclavehunter 01:32, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Okay. Also, would an nuclear exchange between the US and USSR result, following World War III of course. Enclavehunter 01:39, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Canadians and Chocolate
Hi LG, I know thing are not so well between us because of yesterday, and I am still extremely apologetic for that. I don't think I'll ever be done saying sorry.

But aside from all that, you're probably the only Canadian I know. Now see here, me and a friend were discussing something, and an unusual topic came up. He claimed that most Canadians, if not all, ate the famed Swiss chocolate "Toblerone." I immediately disputed that. But now I'm curious. Do Canadians eat these Swiss chocolates? I know not everyone can eat it (definitely not outside of Switzerland for that matter. They probably don't eat it that much either.), but it strikes me as an interesting question, and you came first to mind when I was trying to find a Canadian person. I, for one, really like the chocolates, so I was pondering upon it for a while and decided to settle my mind by asking you this:

Is there a majority of Canadians who eat the chocolate?

It could possibly help me in a future element of one of my timelines.

Anyways, still sorry for all that stuff, Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:51, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Was I doing something wrong?
Was I breaking some rule when I was editing those terminology pages? I was just trying to add to them. Is there anything against non-admins editing them? I don't want to go against wiki policy. SpanishSpy 00:15, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

And, is there any policy about abbrieviating TL names in article headings? "The Eagle Looks to the Right" is an awfully long title to type out every single link. Thanks in advance. SpanishSpy 00:17, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Edits to 1983DD
Hi, LG, I just noticed that you were undoing my edits on several 1983DD pages. However, I don't mind. If I did anything wrong, please just tell me. I was just fixing any grammatical or spelling errors in the article. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 06:33, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I also changed some British English to American English when no one repsonded to my question on the matter. Hope I didn't violate any rules! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 06:35, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

I'm logging off for the night, so I once again apologize if I did anything wrong. Regards, Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 06:40, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

I did? Huh, that's strange, I only recall make ten or so edits. I'm not too sure about the whole badges thing. How do you know when you get badges? Is there a message at the bottom of the screen like when you get new messages? Anyways, I shall refrain from doing those wrong things in the future and I apologize. Thank you for answering to me and explaining. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 06:45, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

My computer has some major problems. For example, on wikis, I no longer get the "You have new messages ." sign like before. Only see new messages in the recent activity. Maybe the same reason that doesn't appear. Ought to look into that. Aside from all that, thank you for understanding and listening (or reading, techinically). Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 06:52, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for informing me
Thank you for informing me about Busan in 1983 doomsday.

And, my apologies for acting like an idiot for the past four months. I will try and clean up my act.

Thanks, SpanishSpy 01:03, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

My Apologies thank u Germanarmy17 16:36, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Image
No I do not. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 15:59, April 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Now that you said Sacramento, I completely remember which city it is (far too late XP). All I remember was looking for a united city which was divided by a river. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 02:19, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

I don't really understand the question :P What do you mean by "What's the story here" ? :P Did I do anything wrong with that wiki? :P It was created fully by me. Pictures are from Google. :P Doctor261 ''' (Talk to Doctor261) 10:02, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Yes. There's really nothing else to write about it. I didn't leave it. I open it up and check for mistakes almost every week. I could make more information about the people, but to keep the mafia secrecy, it's better if I'd not write information about them, since in real life there's not much known about modern day crime families. I could make a few news articles, but by the idea, they are not known very well. They're just simple crime family with its flows and good points. :) Doctor261 ''' (Talk to Doctor261) 10:07, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Categorys
Sorry about that, I just wanted to help out some. Especially since I sometimes upload files written in Japanese (or Korean, or Chinese though its rare).

Maybe I'll also write about the alternate Japanese cities in my time-lines so the category won't be just filled with one item. :] -Kogasa 10:21, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

I'll begin making the city articles in my time-line once I drafted up an idea (like having the city absorb some smaller town) and go from there.

On a side note, since you are separating more pictures/articles into subcategories, you mind if I create a sub character/game category? As in, I would add the Koishi Komeiji category to this picture and the article for example, etc.? And with the game, like the Subterranean Animism article for example, I add Subterranean Animism category for both the article and picture and then add it to the main Touhou Project category.

If not, it's okay. I was only curious since I see you separating cities, flags, etc into subcategories and thought I'd do some, too. -Kogasa 10:50, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

What do you suggest adding? :P Doctor261 ''' (Talk to Doctor261) 11:58, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks very much LG! :) Is a honor, but i have to ask... what mean "Maailma lõppu"? I had never heard it jejeje Regards! --Katholico 02:30, April 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Estonian? Wow! I must say that i really liked now that name :D I will conserve it, thanks again. Regards! --Katholico 04:59, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Alright. Sorry ^.^ I didn't know you can't nominate yourself and let others vote. Doctor261 ''' (Talk to Doctor261) 14:50, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

I thought that you can put your name and let others vote for you but can't vote for yourself. That's how I understood that. ^.^ You should make these rules more accurate. Doctor261 ''' (Talk to Doctor261) 15:24, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Alright ^.^ Doctor261 ''' (Talk to Doctor261) 15:47, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for informing me
Thanks for informing me about bolding. I thought it was standard here, as it was on Wikipedia.

Thanks again, SpanishSpy 01:55, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Doomsday
Hey LG, I was wondering if I could create a new article on a nation in China in OTL East Chongqing, West Hubei provinces? Also I will try to put an end to the discussion on Australia by trying to find the newspaper archives (may take a while as I'm a little too busy to go into the CBD) ASAP. Also if there is going to be any major article changes or additions to any nation in Italy or Egypt I would love to be involved. Scandinator (talk) 09:53, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Guangxi has only significant relations with Macau. They have been unable to reach Vietnam easily until very recently due to the bandits/terrorists inhabiting the areas south of Guangxi. The information on Guangxi to date is all from Macau as that is the only state that Guangxi has constant communication with and via that the world. On PRC I will edit. Guangxi's armies have reached the coast and are attempting to establish control over two ports so Guangxi can for the first time send off supplies and people on its own. The boats for the diplomatic mission have been taken overland from the capital and other cities to the coast. Scandinator (talk) 06:00, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

World War II/I
LG, the reason I added the category "World War II" to this page was because it is an OTL WWII equivalent but is called WWIII because the Napoleonic Wars are termed "World War I." So which one applies? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:15, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

Ok then, thank you. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:28, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

following the rules.
I now edite the alternate histories in this wiki following the rules, some of my editions have passed the proposal process, it means that that they are cannon?

I proposed some ideas to a timeline and they passed the proposal process weeks ago,

Su-35s
Right, its been ages since the Su-35s began training. Are they done training? :D Imperium Guy 11:23, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Definitive clearing of intentions.
let's clear this for last time, lordganon:

1- I have readed the rules

2- I have readed the timeline in which I am collaborating ( New Union)

3- I edited one of its pages as proposal

4- The proposal was accepted and even corrected in some aspects, which demonstrates the legitimity of my idea.

5- In the talk page of Daehan Jeguk, I proposed to change "South Korean" for "Korean" without editing anything and the change was made by the autor of the alternate history or by some authorized to edit.

6- You aren't being polite with me, i am almost newbie in that wiki and you haven't had any consideration in any of your posts in my page.

7- Here are the demostrations of my correctness and permission ( because it continues as i edited the page of Japan in New Union and my edition has been conserved and corrected, which demonstrates that they have passed the proposal process:http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Japan_(New_Union)

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Korea_(Dae_Han_Jeguk:_an_Alternate_History_of_Korea)

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Korea_(Dae_Han_Jeguk:_an_Alternate_History_of_Korea)

8- I recognise that I edited without any permission some articles of Groß-Deutschland, un-edit this if you want but no one has modified since then, so i assume that the author has liked it or that this alternate history is fully editable by users.

I Hope that I cleared all things and my intentions here, which are not disturb the wiki, so I wait for a polite answer of you.

Breizhcatalonia1993.

Mix Match Colonies Problems?
Can you claify what you meant by Mix Match Colonies is out of whack, Like how it does not make sense. Plus you said the timeline has many mistakes, can you give me some feedback so we could have disscusion and then I can fix it, please and thank you. Alliesandaxis 21:31, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

New 52 1983 DD
It just occured to me that the DC relaunch that happened in OTL isn't entirely impossible in 1983: Doomsday, though it isn't necessary in that TL (not that it was necessary in OTL either...)? In fact, American Comics owns Superman in this TL and may not even decide to relaunch the Superman franchise. Do you think I should add a new 52 section on the Superman and Batman comics (and any others that I decide to make) or can I (please) leave the articles without the (crappy) new relaunch? CrimsonAssassin 00:08, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Apology
I'm really sorry.

Actually I didn't read the rules before. It was my greatest mistake ever since I joined this wiki

I promise for read the rules carefully and not doing such any disturbing actions like what I did previously

Thank you for your notice

(I'm sorry if my English not so good since English not my first language)

(I'm almost forget to put my signature)&quot;Oh... a simple job for simple people.&quot; (Curly) 09:33, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

IM 16 TODAY!!! I got a 50 dollar amazon e card and bought an 8 gb mp3 player and Civilization IV: Complete. And the MP3 screen is a great size, it has fm radio to! DeanSims 19:38, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

farewell, im done with this wiki. DeanSims 19:26, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for locking Dean's page, good move; I was thinking we were going to have to undo it all day! But on the side, now how is anyone going to leave him a message? Now I'm afraid he's going to go on a rampage. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:45, May 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * O You might want to do something about that... [[Image:IMPERIAL NY-SPQR 1.png|25px]][[Image:Regen Flag.png|30px|border]] Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:49, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

As to Dean's problem, I think he's thinking that he's thinking that this wiki has just turned to bullcrap and that he wants a democracy, a literal democracy in which you have no say in. If he had his way, you'd probably be banned for 10,000 years. I think he's just upset that all of his "proposals" to "fix" the wiki are being overturned. Nothing we can about that. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:53, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Article Names
Ok, thank you for telling me. I was just about to ask but I knew you were going to tell me, so I waited. Next I will ask before I do something like that. The problem is that I just can't stand seeing these types of mispelling. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:39, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Russian America Flags
Glad to see that you have taken up an interest in my most recent venture.

Using the Vancouver flag as a reference... wow! That has now given me so many new ideas, making me feel stupid that I completely forgot about it. Not to mention I completely forgot about the Haida flag (*slaps forehead*). But I do remember not using the Haida flag primarily because the island would have a white-dominated population, so using a native flag seems silly. But, nothing against using the color ideas (in fact, the flag itself looks a bit like Alaska's ATL flag).

Again, thank you for the plethora of ideas. ^_^ --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 17:59, May 5, 2012 (UTC)




 * Thank you so much for the links. Please forgive me if I come out as a jerk in this sentence, but I am well aware of Flags of the World (it's one of my favorite sites). In fact, it is where I got a lot of my inspirations, including this flag idea for Borealia:0:0 (i.e., Anti-Australia). I would also like to add that your link to Wasilla has reminded me the inspiration for the flag of Tongass. But since Wasilla is nowhere near Tongass (along with it still being to busy and being its own state away from the north), I will have to change the flag. I will agree that Ketchikan's flag is a good place to start, but I feel the Salmon idea is already taken just south (I love how QC's flag came out). But again, a good place to start.


 * I also wanted to thank you for the great idea for Bering (the dog idea, not the family one). It reminds me that Benny Benson also proposed a flag which depicted a sled dog team. I was debating whether or not the infamous expedition would take place in TTL (due in part to the war at the time), but this idea makes me want to do it even more. Thank you once again. ^_^ --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 18:24, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

It is very funny that you mentioned protestantism. I have been doing some reading on the of Russia, who migrated to Canada in OTL. They could have done so in Alaska, and this could help contribute the division of New Russia and the Alexander Archipelago. Not that this has anything to directly do with flags, but just something that now wants me to do more reading. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 17:53, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

Rise of the Second Empire
Meet me here. RandomWriterGuy 04:28, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

How do you delete a page? I created another complete piece of crap of a page and need to delete it as well. (Couldn't make a template). FilipinoMan 05:01, May 7, 2012 (UTC)FilipinoMan

Hungarian images
Hi LG. I've noticed we have a slight edit war going on about the categorisation of several images relating to the Hungarian Uprising over whether or not they are Hungary related. On what basis are you removing the 'Hungary' tag from them? Since they're all from Hungary and feature pictures of Hungarians, it makes sense to have the Hungary tag attached. I won't make any reverts, though, until you reply. Thanks in advance, Feg 08:46, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Okey dokey! Cheers. Feg 10:13, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Tibia
Hey. Do you still play Tibia by chance? :P Doctor261 ''' (Talk to Doctor261) 08:05, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

I have been playing TibiaME for mobile phones for like two years, and I still like it(although cannot play due to mobile internet tariffs). I am wondering if it is really good game just like a mobile version. I'm downloading it now currently. Do they really enforce you to get premium? I mean, is the free account limited to a lot of stuff, or just some god stuff, which nobody really needs? Doctor261 ''' (Talk to Doctor261) 08:08, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

Defining a Blog
I asked for more constructive suggestions and you continued in your attack mode. You are not looking good, Ganon. When I put up the blog I was a newbie to the wiki, but a veteran blogger (nothing near that date, having done a marathon of blgooing every day for over six months before stopping to see if I were "addicted." I wasn't addicted to blogging, so my main blog went mostly inactive. I would have moved the entire blog off the wiki if I could have, but even moving it to my sandbox and its associated talk page proved difficult.

I went ahead with the blog at the time because when others and myself argued in its favor, Mitro did not return to reaffirm his directive. I was new, as I said, and had forgotten that Mitro was on a break. Shortly after he came off break, Zack nominated me for Lieutenant and I was honored to receive overwhelming support, including you. Mitro had not been concerned about the blog, which had just ended the day before my nomination. The point is, the blog was a blog for free expression of ideas. Mitro was concerned, but Oerwinde's unguarded remark was dealt with by the community even before I saw it (my having gone off line).

You continue to insist that a blog is not an article, and you are right, it is not an article. That means, the "Delete" template is not appropriate. I stated that to Lurk, the one who placed the template up in the first place. At the time, he saw my point. That was the only discussion we had -- less than a day, for sure. Then you went ahead and deleted the blog without so much as a word of discussion. You have stated that if I had not removed the template you would not have reacted. Your reasoning at the first deletion, though, said only: "Without question a NC/NC violation now, even though it did not start that way." Our discussion came within the "remarks" section as an edit war that only we administrators could wage (delete/undelete). Finally, I brought it to the other brass for consultation. You insulted me on each of those talk pages and then made it public by moving it to TSPTF talk page where you began an unrelenting repetition of your interpretation of what is "clearly" in the text that is not written.

In short, you are making yourself look bad in front the whole community. You are better than that, for even with Dean Sims you have shown yourself to be quite the gentleman. You have had your say, and have not contributed anything new in several posts. I am asking you kindly to lighten up and let the community speak. We should conclude the discussion as to defining a blog soon. Then we can get down to agreeing what the "Blog" article will say. The vote is ongoing as to whether the NC/NC guidelines need revision, so that is the next thing on the docket. If you have nothing new - and constructive - to say, it would be "playing nice" if you would step back and let the democracy that defines this wiki have its way.

Sincerely, Henry Martin (SouthWriter) May 10, 2010

Ban of borisbaran (me)
WHY did you block me?! WHAT was "false" with the stuff I added to the Israel_(Atlantic_Iron_Curtain) article?! --85.180.3.115 01:56, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

China Map
Well I'm sorry but if someone could update the one I provided to the current situation that would be greatly appreciated. The strikes are off on the old one, there are at least five vastly off target and Chongqing is counted as a separate province which only happened in the 90s. The map itself appears to be taken from a Euro-centric model unlike mine which is centred on East Asia so there is much less distortion of the borders. Scandinator (talk) 04:25, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

West Papua Page
Why did you move by West Papua page to West Papua (Philippine Empire)....West Papua's not part of the Philippines. At least in the Andromeda Timeline it's still not. FilipinoMan 05:56, May 13, 2012 (UTC)FilipinoMan

Why are you moving my pages?
Every of my pages keeps changing to (Title of Page)(Philippine Empire). Why are you keeping on moving my pages?

Another troll at the community
Can you take care of Intrudgero98 guy? I mean, who would ever write:

The Netherlands:  The Netherlands builds up its forces forces and attacks Bulgaria.

And also who would ever write in Map Games Ideas without ever playing it :/

Are you serious?

He's probably one of ban-evaders.

Keep an eye on him.

Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 12:48, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

The only two people I should listen for, is my mother and you, Lord. I will apologise. I don't know what happened to me. Doctor261 ''' (Talk to Doctor261) 05:48, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

New Crime Family
How do you like these ideas of mine about the changes in these crime families? Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 10:12, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Well, you see, crime families is that I like to read about a lot. Same goes with writing about that. I've been reading many wikipedia and news articles about crime families, and that's the thing which is very interesting if you get deep into that. And besides, you said yourself, there's nothing to write about new nations. And writing about the cities is not very interesting(well, for me atleast). And, well... Yeah... Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 10:35, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

They don't matter, these are just the simple people, living on earth. Trying to do some roleplay with them. All people are equal, so what would be the difference between writing something about president of US, or a homeless person in streets? @(^.^)@ I just don't know where else could I write it, unless writing my own book. Doctor261 ''' (Talk to Doctor261) 11:44, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Indentions
Why is it that you do not like the well established practice (used everywhere else in the internet!) of indenting to show new "speakers" in a communication such as a forum or talk page? It is built into most comment sections of blogs, for instance. It helps immensely in following a conversation, reducing the need for quoting large portions and needlessly lengthening a string. Or is it that you just use it as an irritant with whom you are in disagreement? I say this because I see that you did the same thing to Ben in an earlier string after he had objected several times. At the same time, you ignore (or even commend) others that use the very same indentions. What you do by taking the indents away is to make the whole string much less readable. The only way you can tell at a glance who is "speaking" is to look for the signatures. What "works for you" is not the best for everyone, Ganon.

Your little changes are not "illegal" and don't warrant any kind of formal complaint, except that it could be taken as harassment in a time when you really need to stay in good behavior. You call it a "fix," but in this case it was not "broken." --SouthWriter 14:06, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

i was I
Hi, Lordganon, I was who edited the imperial duma of deputies article, i thing, but as i was not in my home i forgotten to sign in ( i edited it because it is my timeline).

Breizhcatalonia1993 09:31, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

Онтарио в США
I am glad that you like my idea, and thank you for your two cents. However, there are several things I don't believe you took into consideration. First off, when Upper Canada is admitted to the Union, many in Congress would support dividing the new territory into several states. So much like Texas, Upper Canada would be divided into a new state called Ontario, and a vast territory. It wouldn't be until years later that Huron and Nipigon would come into the picture (for obvious reasons). By then, there could be enough time for the creation of these settlements.

Secondly, I also took into account the possibility of capitals moving. This has happened a lot for may states. The most noted would be Georgia, who's colonial capital of Savannah is now the railroad hub of Atlanta. I also wanted to avoid using the largest city as also being the capital. In case you ask, I would have assumed that Sault Ste. Marie would have been the capital of Huron, the population grew, and the capital moved to North Bay, which would have a smaller population than OTL.

But in the long run, you are right. I should have saw these new states as being like Maine, rather than looking further south. So thank you for the heads up and suggestion. If you don't mind me asking (since I assume "this Ontario" was your favorite), what do you think of the idea of renaming Kingston into Mackenzie? --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 18:36, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

ASB is insulting to me it is equal to calling my althistory  BS. I don't think you have even read it! It is a totally plausible timeline. So just leave it alone and stop trying to force your opinion on me. Remember Lordganon, mister historian, top dog, : "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" Sir John Dalberg-Acton, just leave me alone and stop changing my catorgories!Iwaschris 05:26, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

Urgent Post regarding Blogs.
Whoops. didn't see you comment till after I had posted. How do I delete the first Chapter?David Rain 11:23, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

You have yet to tell me why it is not plausible. You admit you got me confused with a different TL with similar problems; please explain these problems to me! On the page talk, perhaps. This is becoming a very unfriendly Wiki, I would rather start writting my next althistory ( that I am researching ), than losing concentration wondering if I will get pushed around and  blocked  because I disagree with an Admin!!Iwaschris 14:07, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

a question?
my Invasion of Earth (1957) Timeline that i am working on. i am bounceing around Ideas about expanding it. any suggustions?Wingman1 05:59, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

attacking Soviet bombers on one way mission's? i know the USAF was worried about this very thing. on the other side we had very long range aircraft to strike back with B-52's (introduced February 1955) and they stil had B-47's.Wingman1 08:09, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

i don't want to clutter up your talk page can we take the back-and forth to the IoE talk page?Wingman1 08:13, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

Suicide missions. i am thinking that Soviet's from that time could be how do you say "talked" into it. maybe they did not call it suicide.

Soviet bombers reaching the US, depends where you staged them from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu-4 if desprate could be recalled and used.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-16

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-95

anyway that part of the tl i am not focising on as much, so that part can be scaled back till it's workable. i just need the NATO and Warsaw Pact fighting, and fighting enough to be bloodied up pretty good before the Ailens show themselves.Wingman1 09:02, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

oh ok, let me think about it a bit, i might can come up with something else. like i said above i just need to get NATO and the Warsaw Pact fighting for a short time, to "bloody them up a bit". i will look into possiable WW3 scenarios from that time perioed. or change the time frame in IoE to a latter date if needed.Wingman1 22:37, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

i just saw something on the Nat Geo Channel that gives me an idea.

The Ailen "Mothership's" (that is as closest to ID4 as i a going to go with this) is the key, they will hover over city's (just like i have on the page.) we would use Nuke. small sized ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W54 like this one, under if not inside some of those ship or this one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)

''For alien vessels in orbit, there's a weapon idea you may want to consider that's been discussed for such a thing. The basic idea is to detonate a nuke underground. The cavern has a bunch of little tunnels going to the surface, through concrete/cement. At the very top of these are massive manhole covers.''

''The basic idea is that the pressure wave from the nuke will send these plates into orbit, at a speed far in excess of sound. Any craft above them gets turned into swiss cheese. ''

that is a kool idea, i like it!

but aquestion or to come to mind. with mankind's back to the wall.


 * 1) 1 could we set up and target something lioke that


 * 1) 2 would it even work that way?

if they are not bombing us from orbit,(we's screwed if they are) we leave that alone for the time being and the Ailen's use it to get off our planet.

my over all plan is to take out some of these ship's, ( the big city sized one in our atmsphere), causeing the Ailens to think Earth is to much trouble to complely take over.

By this point "suicide run's" would be at the very least discuesed and maybe planed for. with mabe a getaway planed for but with the understanding that the mission would come first.

this is the poing where we would make a big push, go "All In" and go after these ships.

it would be a case of "them or us" by now. Wingman1 23:57, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

great ideas, now i just got a find time to incorprate it into the IoE TL. unless some other jump in i am thinking i can have something up by the weekend, Mon at the latest. (work and all can be a pain sometime. lol!)Wingman1 01:22, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

i have got to say i am haveing a bit of a problem getting this to work i am still runing into the same issues that we have been talking about. if i moved the dates up say 10 years make the story Invasion of Earth (1967) insted ofInvasion of Earth (1957), could my story work any better?

your underground Nuke idea is great. if it's set up in advance. we would have to bust ass setting it up "under war-time conditions".

i got an idea of the kind of story i want to tell with this TL but i keep running into the "plausibility" issues. (stop laughing. lol! ) writers block sucks. what do you think about oveing the time frame up 10 years?Wingman1 09:10, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

so keep IoE in 1957?Wingman1 10:10, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

hello
Umm Hello....

I am UndeadHero and I am new to this wiki. I was curious on how to start as I have a few ideas.

UndeadHero 22:06, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

Mexican capitals
Thank you for your advice. I chose Los Angeles because I believe the Californios would eventually move their state capital south. Monterey would be the initial capital, but as Nevada's population and power grows, Monterey to the Californios would becomes more and more like an enclave of Nevada. Kinda like how New Jersey's colonial capital of (located off of Staten Island) was moved to the more central. I could choose a different city, like Santa Barbara for instance. But if this sounds too farfetched, then I will correct it. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 22:22, May 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Glad you understand (LA it will remain). Quick question: I like the idea of San Jose as the capital of Nevada. However, Costa Rica's capital is also called San Jose. Would this affect a move or name change, or would they just leave it be (especially since both capitals are located on the periphery of Mexico's power and are very far apart). I'm pretty sure I know your answer, but I would still like to get your two cents. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 22:35, May 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Cartago, eh? That seems too good to be true. Thank you so much for the idea. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 02:57, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Kyrgyzstan (1983: Doomsday)
(Since you appear to be the "leader" of 1983: Doomsday)

Is there any canon information on already? Was it hit by any missiles, and if yes, where? 77topaz 09:40, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

How about the rest of Central Asia? has an article, but it is empty. and don't have articles at all. 77topaz 10:21, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

If this is not asking too much at once: how about Sao Tome and Principe (there are supposed to be a number of diacritics there... unfortunately, I don't know how to make them on Windows)? Cape Verde? I don't think there are very many other areas (not including some of the states) which haven't already been "article-ised". 77topaz 10:38, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Veriteo
Thnaks for checking out my story Veriteo 10:07, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

would care to help me improve my story or give me some feedback once i write more of the story?? Veriteo 10:12, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

i seen that you are a historian so i have to ask is my idea possible or even plausible Veriteo 10:46, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Eternal Troy
Can I adopt this TL? The original author is no longer active, so I asked you. Bobalugee1940 13:47, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Non IoE Issue.
i have been folowing the talk on http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Alternative_History_talk:TSPTF?s=wldiff&diff=0&oldid=533686 an i have a question i want to ask you.

on another non-wiki website that i am on i count at the very least 4 Doomsday 1983 spinoff thread's "that i know of"

what is your views on this, in lite of our recenty resolved issues?

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/forumdisplay.php?f=9 is the link to the section of the site they are in, you might have to hunt for them.

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=176377 is one thread,the others are related to this one in some way.Wingman1 10:08, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Spam filter problems
Hey I was trying to edit a page, but I kept trying to post the word "Gonzaga" which is this place in the Philippines but the spam filter absolutely hates the "G-word" and when I went to report it to Wiki it said I didn't have permission to do so. Could you report it for me please? VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 19:30, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Note the filter doesn't mind you have "Gonzaga" in brackets, but try it without them & it freaks out!
 * Update: Well at least it did on this page anyway. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 19:35, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

???
What rules did I broke? Matt121 ??? Matt125 09:53, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Hello,

I'd like to know why my IP address was banned

Yamashita1020 14:25, June 8, 2012 (UTC)Yamashita1020

VANDILIZED! Excuse me sir I think of myself as someone who does not participte in such actions and do not appreciate being accused of such. The only thing I changed was German to Japanese... and I only did that because it made absolutely no sense. I considered this a website of semi-realistic alternate histories not a place full of random jibberish!

Yamashita1020

TFCN
Ummm... If this name is long enough to be suitable for using an acronymn then I don't know what is.

Bobalugee1940 16:52, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Template
How do I make a template?

Okay, but how do I save it. Enclavehunter 06:55, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Well. I did an template, but I think I messed it up. I was wondering if there is a way to fix it. Here's the template:Template:infobox ship. --Enclavehunter 14:11, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Adoption policy
Hey DeanSims just got the Greater Europe (Map Game) off Doctor261 as seen here, but he's just deleted all of the content basically. I think he may be trying to re-start the game but it strikes me as not being the proper procedure just deleting everything. After-all Greater Europe did win a Stirling Award for being the best map game of 2011 so it doesn't seem right to delete the award winning content.

But I'm not completely sure if it is okay for Dean to do this or not, so I'd figure I'd ask you; but from what I read in the QSS and QAA it isn't the right thing to do, as it destroys the article's canon so I did rollback the deletion.

Anyway, could you just clarify me on this area? If I'm wrong I'll be sure to apologize to Dean. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 19:32, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm... Strange. I don't know why he deleted it, but thanks for reverting it, VonGlusenburg. I really hope that Dean meant no harm. Doctor261 ''' (Talk to Doctor261) 21:33, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Stuff
Two questions about the 1983: Doomsday

Question 1: Do you need more sports because I have a tennis schulde for the fantasy 2012-13 ATP and WTA tour or later Week 1: Bad Gastein, Austria (C) Week 2: Sevilla, Spain (C) Week 3: Lima, Peru (C) Week 4: Santiago, Chile (C) Week 5: Florianopoils, Brazil (C) Week 6: Bogota, Colombia (C) Week 7: Sao Paulo, Brazil (H) Week 8: Brisbane, Australia (H) Week 9: Auckland, New Zealand (H) Week 10: Adealide, Australia (H) Week 11: Caloundra, Australia (H) Week 12: Singapore (H) Week 13: Bangkok, Thailand (H) Week 14: Nonthaburi, Thailand (H) Week 15: Tehran, Iran (S) Week 16: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (H) Week 17: Dubai, UAE (H) Week 18: Cape Town, South Africa (H) Week 19: Dublin, Ireland (H) Week 20: Bern, Switzerland (C) Week 21: Monte Carlo, France (C) Week 22: Boras, Sweden (C) Week 23: Leon, Mexico (H) Week 24: Barranquilla, Colombia (H) Week 25: Guadalajara, Mexico (H)

Question 2: In the actual doomsday why didn't Singapore get hit? Matt121 ??? Matt125 08:11, June 12, 2012 (UTC).

Updated the schulde but they were trying out it again so that's why I've got 26 tournaments Matt121 ??? Matt125

Update 3: Where are the free countries to hold it Matt121 ??? Matt125 01:50, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

Hi
I was I who modified the Dominion of South Africa article on the timeline of Rossiskaya Imperiya KD with an anonymous IP as i didn't know that I logged out., as I am the autor of the timeline, im going to revert your edits and to my previous one, if you see any problem, revert again and I will edit the article again.

Breizhcatalonia1993 12:58, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

again.
Hi.

Again, i have to ask forgiveness for editing my timeline without logging it which makes it appear as edited by an anonymous contributor. I was I who make the last "A wikia contributor edit"

Breizhcatalonia1993 11:49, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Messed up Category name
Hi Im in need of an Admin to move Category:Images (New World Democracy)) to Category:Images (New World Democracy) as it seems that when I Created it I Added an extra ) to the end. If you would be so kindly do that for me it would be mighty helpful.--Steam-man 01:28, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Guangxi expansion proposal
Yea, I fully understand. It's going to take a while to swallow the expansion to the south. Therefore, Guangxi is not going to be able to expand north in any major way, anytime soon; but with more activity to Guangxi's north there will be a small extention of the sphere of influence over the next few years: about half of the remaining area of Guizhou over the next year and most of Guizhou by the end of next year/middle of 2014. Areas that Guangxi itself will control won't expand much at all as the country is focusing on rebuilding Southern Guangxi. But more parts of Southern Guangxi will have direct control from Hechi as people from Guangxi migrate south. I have supplied a map for projected expansion by the end of 2013/mid 2014. The lightest shade of green is projected expansion of the sphere of influence and second darkest shade of green is projected expansion of Guangxi's boundaries of direct control. Blue areas are currently loosely held by Yunnan but will be somewhat influenced by Guangxi. Is this all right? Scandinator (talk)

Got it. I'll take out any blue areas and decrease the expansion of the sphere of influence in the north by at least half. Does it work now? Scandinator (talk) 23:50, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

Macedonia and the LON
I was thinking recently on the status of Macedonia in the League of Nations. Would they be getting blocked by Greece, would anyone else be stopping them from joining, would they already be a member or just an observer waiting for its application to go through? Ownerzmcown 20:31, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

hay lordganon, im at my cousins house right now and can't edit the browser map cause they have a mac, so they don't have the paint program, so can you edit the map and make equatorial guinea blue? thanks! ima firin ma lazar!!!!! o(@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 23:09, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

How to make althistory map? Like, the nation is expanded further, so the map doesn't like original world map. Thanks.Islamic Warrior of Peaceful 05:20, June 23, 2012 (UTC)Islamic Warrior of Peaceful

SC
how would you suggest revising it- it is a bit ambiguous, but i couldn't find anything for the population.

Map
Where I can get map? Download it, or available in Althistory Wiki? Thanks.Islamic Warrior of Peaceful 07:10, June 25, 2012 (UTC)Islamic Warrior of Peaceful

Soviet Remnant
Would it be remotely plausible for part(s) of the Soviet Union to remain communist after the fall of most of it? For example, if the Soviet Union broke up but Azerbaijan remained under authoritarian communist rule, though the rest became (more) democratic and capitalist? LurkerLordB (Talk) 17:51, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Cookies
http://althistory.wikia.com/index.php?title=HMS_Birmingham_%28Split%29&action=historysubmit&diff=554450&oldid=92109 Doctor261 ''' (Talk to Doctor261) 06:04, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

As you see I've added "Timelines" categories to some pages. Tell me if I'm doing it wrong, please. Because there are so many without these categories, so I'm not sure if I'm doing it as it should be. Doctor261 ''' (Talk to Doctor261) 06:19, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

Ah. Alright. Doctor261 ''' (Talk to Doctor261) 06:43, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

A couple of requests.
If I may be so bold I should like to ask two favours from you:

One: Please do not answer in my place. Most especialy do not presume I use wikipedia for everything. Yes, I do use it, but not for everything.

Two: please notify me before deleting a page such as 'List of AJAWS of the Mayan Empire'. In my comparative youth on this wiki I did not know that renaming a page creted a copy in that way, and that any liks to the first page stayed on that page as with the Mayan Empire page. Now this links to a deleted page, and I do not know how to rectify the problem.

Regards,

David Rain (Sometimes...) 12:39, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

Map revertion
Hey LG, I need to inform you that I have reerted your map on the OFS page. The reason is the lighter coloured states are meant to be potential members/nations working closely with the NUSA. As soon as Lethoso passes, it will also get the dark red colour of NUSA. :/ Imperium Guy 21:44, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

Where is the spam in my timeline?

C'mon Mate tell me what the spam is. I'm all ears. Sasafred12 00:26, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Umm, you really need to follow the rules of deletion, Ganon, you should really read the whole article. you'll see what you messed up Sasafred12 00:49, June 28, 2012 (UTC)


 *  Discuss on the article's talk page why it should be deleted. 
 * If after three days there is consensus to delete, the article/timeline will be deleted.

~Sasa

HAVE YOU EVEN READ WHAT I HAVE GIVEN YOU GOD CAN YOU LISTEN, OR ARE YOU BLIND Sasafred12 01:07, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Here, I moved it. You happy now. Cause I'm not going to kick myself off of here just because of Mcdonalds.Hope your happy, Sasafred12

There we go, You can delete those pages. I really don't care anymore. You won't see me on this wiki for a couple of weeks Sasafred12 01:43, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Question
On another note, do you use facebook? If not, there is interest in an idea of mine for a timeline similar to Doomsday based on the Mayan calendar end date prophecies. It's POD is a worse Arab Spring where more governments are toppled, Iran blocks the Strait of Hormuz and Israel launches a conventional first strike on Iran. Hezbollah invades Israel along with Syria and Egypt. They manage to defeat the Israeli army and made territorial gains into Israel. Pushed to the corner, the Israeli prime minister orders the launch of part of the Israeli nuclear arsenal at Syria, Iran, Lebanon and Egypt. Russia launches on Israel for targeting Syria and NATO then launches on Russian military installations. Russia responds with a launch on NATO military installations. NATO then launch on Russian and Chinese civilian targets and allied states. China and Russia then launch on all NATO-allied states. This will be a community timeline similar to Doomsday. The name will be Apocalypse:2012 and fits the Bible's prophecy that the end of days will be brought on by Israel. Do you like this idea? If yes, then I would greatly appreciate your help in shaping it when I start on it in November after my university entrance exams. Scandinator (talk) 08:48, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Good Sir.
I am both puzzled and and hurt by your dismisive and arrogant tone. I cannot understand why you felt insulted by my message. Let me state now that was never my intention. I never challenged your right to answer questions but that question was adressed to me.

my sincere apologies,

David Rain (Sometimes...) 15:40, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Hey LG
Whats up? -Dean

Cool. Can you help me customize my signature if your not to busy? -Dean DeanSims (User talk:DeanSims) 21:52, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Vive la Florida français
I was wondering if I should add King Francis II living longer/not being sickly and having a kid with Mary, Queen of Scots. But the very idea of this is big enough for its own TL...

Any suggestions?

P.S. Some ideas for my current TL and the longer lived King Francis II TL would be very helpful.

Bobalugee1940

Vandalism
http://althistory.wikia.com/index.php?title=Imperial_States_of_America_%28Part_4%29&action=historysubmit&diff=556958&oldid=494837 Doctor261 ''' (Talk to Doctor261) 04:48, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

deletion ;)
can you delete my page of the kingdom of greece? i don't know how to do it :P

Breizhcatalonia1993 10:47, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

thanks for getting rid of that spam LG. ;) -Dean DeanSims (User talk:DeanSims) 18:49, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Question
Hello LG, a quick question. Recently I came up with the notion of making Youtube videos to go with some of my work on this site. They would be unlisted, meaning that you couldn't see it without having the link. I would just post it on the page related to it and that would be the only place it could be seen.

My question is: Would it be a violation of any of our rules here to do that?

If you could respond to me it would be highly appreciated as I am nearly finished with the first video and am in the stage of final editing.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:24, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Btw, what does "Nemit Masi" mean and what language is it in?

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:00, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Tonga & 1983 Doomsday
Hey, Tonga hasn't been worked on for months. Could i adopt it? --"Truth fears no questions..." 02:03, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the information. --"Truth fears no questions..." 12:54, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Flag of People's Republic of Korea
It does not matter if you removed that photo from my PRK flag page. But, why you removed my pict summary and my pict license too?

Have a nice morning FirstStooge 22:26, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

AHFA Deletion
Hello there! I was wondering, is there any specific page where I can discuss the proposed deletion of my pages or do I do it here, or on the article talk pages? I'm not going to start a massive hussy-fit, I just want to discuss and see what the problems with them are. --Martin23230 14:16, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Duh, sorry. Replying on talk page... --Martin23230 14:23, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

IPs as sockpuppets
I know that Anonymous IP addresses are usually not considered sockpuppets, but in the event that a user pretended that the Anonymous IP was not him, in order to get around a 1 nation per person rule on a map game, would I be correct in assuming that the user should be treated as if he sockpuppetted? LurkerLordB (Talk) 19:49, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Antarctic Flora (GWS)
I've found some Tierra del Fuegan trees (Antarctic Beech and Lenga Beech especially) which I can see surviving in the warmer parts of Antarctica. But I'm not sure how they're going to get there; since they're not domesticated plants I see no reason why the del Fuegans would bring their seeds with them to Antarctica. Any suggestions? Callumthered (talk) 07:47, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, that helps a lot. Callumthered (talk)

A Mughal Destiny
... Why is this ASB biased? The Mughals fell because of weak rulers, giving people like the Marathas and the Rajputs strength to declare independance. Please, actually give me a reason instead of just stating that it is ASB, that it would have fallen anyway. Guns (talk) 06:13, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Question
Hello. Is there a site-wide issue with uploading pictures or is it just me? It's been going on for days now and i can't update any new maps for my map games, i can't get my Francia e Italia timeline going, nor can i update flags for another game. Could you be of some help? Thanks.AP (talk) 16:24, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Post-War Balkans
I was thinking that after the Second Yugoslav War, what about a possible trade agreement or some other sort of body to ensure peace. Although I'm certainly not proposing an alliance, perhaps something along the lines of a regional conference or trade group. What are your thoughts? Ownerzmcown (talk) 01:40, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, are there any nation articles for the Doomsday game that are going to be deleted? I'm looking to get into the game, but most of the world has been Balkanized already. --"Truth fears no questions..." 19:29, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Republic of New York (1983: Doomsday)
Look, I'm grateful that you are so intent to protect my interests. It's just that with map games now the main focus of my time on the wiki I can't find the time to update my multitude of pages as much as I want. I've effectively left my articles open for adoption. I don't really care what the adopters do to the page, as long as they don't botch the page like what Owen did to my Republic of Iowa page. The anon who picked up the Republic of New York hasn't done so. In fact he's done more to flesh it out than I ever have, and I am relieved that someone is expressing interest in assisting my work. Why did you erase such hard work anyway? Yank 02:46, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

190.153.214.90
I just checked revision history of my talk page. I found a comment from 190.153.214.90 you deleted. What was he trying to do? RandomWriterGuy (talk) 02:23, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Possible Sockpuppet
I wasn't sure about this, but Doctor Evulz posted something on Talk: Spread of Communism Revised (Map Game). He said that an earlier problem had been fixed, but I did not see anything posted by him on the talkpage so I checked the history and ... [1].

Just in case there was a valid reason for this I did not post it on the TSPTF talk page... but frankly I don't see one.

The Royal Guns (talk) 05:06, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Since this sockpuppet appears not to have been used for any nefarious purpose, would this not be one of those times the sockpuppet is permabanned but the main account is left unblocked? (unless I missed something the sockpuppet did). LurkerLordB (Talk) 05:09, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

No, he didn't do anything, as far as I can see. The Royal Guns (talk) 05:12, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

It looks like he uses Platypus100 for the Spore wiki, and Dr. Evulz here... and probably another one for constructed mythology. He was just using that username because he couldn't logout... so now I'm confused. Is that allowed? Making new accounts for each wiki? The Royal Guns (talk) 05:25, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, then. The Royal Guns (talk) 08:49, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

United Kingdom in NN
Hey LG, long time no talk. How've you been? I've got a (hopefully) quick question.

So, I have summer school for a civics class and we've gone pretty in depth of government situations, and it got me thinking on the United Kingdom in No Napoleon. Similar to Germany in OTL, the UK would have to face the loss of major colonies to the Entente and, more importantly, two World Wars. And while I know little about the British, I would figure they wouldn't be too pleased with their government that lost been defeated as bad as they had, along with the possible independence of the full island of Ireland. So, my question is: do you think it's likely that the British, perhaps right after the end of WWII (whose date is tentatively 1950), would overthrow the monarchy to become a republic, almost like the French had in the French Revolution?

Thanks, ChrisL123 (talk) 22:34, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Central Asia
Sorry for the long hiatus. Thanks for the info. Anyway, how is Central Asia looking? I looked at the map, and saw what must have been the only unclaimed region there. --"Truth fears no questions..." 02:23, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Respected Lordganon!

I decided to remake my timeline, so that there was no ASB. Do you think I'd better make a new page for the timeline, or edit the old

Hey, are Ghana and Togo open in Doomsday? I checked them out, and their stubs that haven't been worked on for nearly a year and a half. Can I work on them? --<font COLOR="878787">"Truth fears no questions..." 18:17, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Nominated For Deletion Plz Remove
Plz Lordganon Don't Have My Alternate History on Nomination for Deletion, why bcuz this is my 1st alternate history and also that I'm still working on this. Plz Remove Nominated For Deletion. Plus I'm planning to put alot into it. I'll be adding more pages that connect to the althist. Sincerely AdamStein00 (talk) 20:33, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Asanteman
You would have to elaborate on why since I can' read your mind. And the two nations are home to the people who formed the empire in the first place, and why I'm suggesting it again. --<font COLOR="878787">"Truth fears no questions..." 20:04, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

The Ashanti Kingdom still lives as an autonomous region in Ghana, and had a major impact in Ghanaian society today. And I as unaware of the major influence the region had, I couldn't tell by the sparse history. --<font COLOR="878787">"Truth fears no questions..." 20:17, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with a revival. Anyone could express the time of the ol days with the powerful Ashanti kings, like Hitler did with the Teutonic Knights, and many other nationalists across globe. And the Ashanti Empire was destroy only one century ago, in 1896, not centuries. Simply because you say something can't have a cultual impact doesn't make it true. As I've said, peopl everywhere look to the glories of the past, and seek to do one better. Mussolini wanted to rebuild the Roman Empire, and the Italians supported him, until it started going south. Symbolism for new nations are usually taken from the past, like the Wheel of Ashoka for the Indian flag. Time means absolutely nothing when it comes to nations. Italy invade Ethiopia over a scuff to their pride in 1896, and invaded them in 1935; 39 years after the defeat, they still wanted revenge. Nations fight over stupid reasons, so why wouldn't two merge to relive the old glory days. Nations have done it before, and they will do it again. --<font COLOR="878787">"Truth fears no questions..." 22:32, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

I thought you said centuries. Sorry. Yes, they didn't conquer much, but neither did the Teutonics Knights. Size doesn't matter. The accomplishments do. The Ashanti fought and defeated the British more than once, and adopted modern fighting technies too. They developed massive forts comparable to those of Europe, and developed a form of communication that was almost as fast as the telegraph. So yes it does matter, and it depends on who is looking up to them. The Ashanti were conquered only after a brutal war, the third one that is. They formed and lead armies numbering as many as 100 to 200,000, and they had a developed civilization, as civil as the Europeans. As I said before, your saying something can't happen doesn't make it true. The Russians were a conquered people once, so were the Chinese and the Americans (conquered as in controlled by Britian but it probably doesn't count). --<font COLOR="878787">"Truth fears no questions..." 00:42, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

I understand, but I'm not sure you do. The Ashanti were the largest and most powerful tribe, capable of fghting even the Europeans. The Russians were a conquered people, unless the Tartars never existed. And the Chinese were conquered by the Mongols unless my history books say otherwise. And I did put in parentheses that the American example may have been wrong. But my point remains. The Ghanians and the Togolese would look to the Ashanti for inspiration as the Germans during the 1930s did with the Teutons. It wasn't there failure that they looked at, it wa their mark in history. Your saying just because they were a minor tribe, which they were not, they had no effect on who Ghanaians think today. I'm a plucky black guy, and people everywhere in my neighborhood keep talking about what some guys in the 1800s did and why their so important. They want to do what their parents and grandparents did because they made a mark and got things done. Frankly, it get annoying, but I understand why they do it. The same can apply so long as it was a monumentous occassion. Look at stamps and you'll see people glorifying past events or victories. So just because YOU say that something that happened nearly a century ago is unimportant, doesn't mean it isn't important to SOMEONE ELSE. The Ashanti were the largest tribe in Ghana and Togo, where it matters. They are still the largest tribe in those countries too. Now as I said twice before, their accomplishments were important to the Ghanaians and the Togolese, which you aren't getting. The Mongols created th largest land empire in history, and modern Mongolians wish to emulate that drive to build their nation today. You used my point too. The Germans revered and wanted to do what te Teutonic Knights did. The Ashanti defeated the British many times, the surround tribes they conquered, and they wielded emmense power too. The Ghanaians as I keep saying, would seek to emulate what their ancestors did. Thats why I'm going to combine the two nations, because it dos make since. Cultural revivals and attempts to relive the glories of the past are commonplace, and history has proven that. --<font COLOR="878787">"Truth fears no questions..." 03:17, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

The Russian payed tribute to the Tatars for centuries until the Russians defeated them in the 1400-1500s (my history is a bit rusty). For the Manchu, what happened later to them doesn't matter, the fact that the Chinese WERE conquered does. And the Ashanti controlled all the land between the Ivory Coast, all the way to Dahomey (Benin). Most of Ghana and Togo were under their control. And the Ashanti would still be regarded with some respect by the Akan who make up half the population, as were the Lakota Sioux to the Native Americans of other tibe back in the 1800s and today. The size of their population doesn't matter, but for the last time, their accomplishmens do. I get your point, but you keep ignoring mine. And I'm aware of the difference between "rules" and "canon". BUt as I will not be allowed to add the work, no point in debating further. I'll see about Central Asia then.

And what bias are you talking about? --<font COLOR="878787">"Truth fears no questions..." 14:25, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Talk Pages
I'll try to remember. Some words I can't figure out what they are SUPPOSED to be.

EoGuy (talk) 08:44, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

It's a dirty job but...
somebody has to do it :)

Reminds me of the old joke about the English professor in the men's room with pen in hand.

"Professor, don't tell me YOU write on walls?"

"No, I just correct the spelling and grammar."

EoGuy (talk) 14:21, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

More International Relations
Hey LG! I wanted to say that I really think that we should have the UIP make more international relations with other countries in the world. I think Korea and Japan would be the best options, along with Vietnam. What do you think, and we really need more news about the UIP, lol! :D Imperium Guy 21:20, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Apologises
I here your a real historian. Well, I'm glad to see one with talent. I hope my poor argument about Asanteman didn't allude to any idea I am ignorant. I'm just one of those few people who like to change the fortunes of nations that tend to get the shot end of the stick. I'm not an extreme Africa wank dude, I'm an Africa wank to some degree, but heck I'd play a Native American tribe if I didn't have to worry about smallpox or Europeans wiping out my nation. --"Truth fears no questions..."</FONT> 03:56, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Can I make an a future alternate history? I mean mines isn't gonna have aliens or cyborgs in it.

What Qualifies as a Stub/ Graduating Articles
LG, I was wondering what type of article qualifies as a stub to you, seeing as you shoot down most attempts of graduating an article as a stub that several editors (Smoggy and myself, mostly) have suggested. Last time I checked the definition of a stub was an article which was lacking in general iformation but mentioned in canon already.

One of the articles I am talking about is the Illini Republic article, which I highly doubt someone will come along and finish seeing as it has been collecting dust for over a year and a half on the proposals page.

Several other articles, such as those on nations which are part of international unions (Jamaica/ECF and Greenland/NU, respectively) only need a page linked to said organization with small bits of information. I highly doubt there is much to be said individually on the post-DD history of Jamaica or the Faroe Islands that isnt already mentioned in other articles.

If someone later does want to come along and flesh it out to contain more information (like I did with the Wisconsin article) they could do so witout having to put it through the proposal process (which is very lengthy under your supervision) so long as they do not violate canon.

The reason I felt like bringing this up to you is that I was somewhat surprised how every single article I suggested for graduation was rejected by you, as well as how ancient some of the article on the proposal list are (Iceland has taken the longest time to graduate in the history of this TL, might I add).I would understand some or even most of your objections, but every single one? Arstar 00:30, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

How would you kow if I looked at the articles or not? I looked at all of them, hats why I suggested some for stub and others for full graduation.

I just dont get what your planning on doing with some of these articles. For example Illini Republic has been a sentence for a year and a half, South suggests obsoletion, you say no. I suggest stub, you say no. What is going to happen to this article, then?

There are so many articles that have not been edited since 2011, and yet you isist that they stay on the proposal list rather than take some sort of action. I mean, Iceland is already part of caon we should just stub it rather than have it be up here another two years waiting for Fx to finish (I do realize hes busy) During the Mitro days it was unheard of for proposals to this long.

Arstar talk 16:04, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Lordganon,

Contrary to your suggestion, I think my page does indeed classify as "AltHistory". Here is an excerpt from "What is AltHistory?" as given by the site:

'''There are certain elements which are common to all alternate histories, whether they deal with history on the micro-level (personal alternate histories) or the macro-level (world-changing events). These elements include:''' Alternate histories do not:
 * A point of change from the history of our world prior to the time at which the author is writing;
 * A change which would alter history as it is known; and
 * An examination of the ramifications of that change.
 * Need to be set in the past;
 * Need to spell out the point of divergence;
 * Need to deal with world changing events; or
 * Need to include famous people.

Let's look at the elements. I didn't quite make it clear yet, but the point of divergence in my storyline is about 1700 A.D. (in other words, "C.E."). The change that altered history as it is known is the fact that there are no fossil fuels on this version of Earth. And surely, I delve deeply into the ramifications of that historical change.

It does NOT need to be entirely set in the past. I do NOT need to heavily explain the events surrounding the point of divergence. I do NOT need to deal with specific world changing events. And, in case this was ever in contention, I do NOT to include famous people.

Either you didn't read what I wrote, or you never read the handbook.

Have a good day!

Well gee, I'm sorry if you have conflicting information for your wikians. You should probably get together with the other admins and change that most obvious of articles to align with the rest of the guiding pages. In the mean time, I may be able to move this over to "Constructed Worlds" if that satisfies you.

No More!! >:(
What is the deal?!?!! I was working on "Cold War The 4 Powers" and suddenly you'd destroyed it! >:( What's Your Problem!? I had it planned out the timeline . Always a mandate with you! Not evryday that I'm able to work on it due to personal circumstances. I was bout to put alit into it and you decide to blow it up. Be More Fair. Althist don't finish overnight. STOP DELETING MY ALTERNATE HISTORY YEEESH! AdamStein00 (Talk | contribs)

Why Did You Delete My AltHist For?!?!!? It wasn't going to be left abandoned there unfinished. I have planned to work on it some more. Stop DELETING MY ALTHIST. >:(--66.87.105.25 17:03, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

An Apology Note 2 U
Yeah umm... Lordganon. I want to apologize for my behavior towards you, bcuz I blame myself that I should've had the details of the alternate history history b4 hand like in Notes -feels like a DERP, mayb more than a DERP- instead of going on complaining bout that rule that you're doing your very best to inforce in AltHist Wiki. I really am sry 4 cauzing you trouble. Am I able to delete my page thta I had created? If not could you do that for me again sry ^_^ cuz I just created a page in which isn't going to be used for a while. AdamStein00 (talk) 21:15, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

Oh and I hope you Have A Great Summer!

Commander of the Fourth Reich
How do I contact Commander of the Fourth Riech?

EoGuy (talk) 03:03, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

You go to my talk page and post there. CommanderOfTheFourthReich (talk) 03:05, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

Tanzania
To avoid another (-_-) obsoletion, I had an idea for a tanzania article, a rump surivivor state. Ish. Is that flat out impossible?

The Royal Guns (talk) 09:13, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

Doesn't look like there's any room left, lol. Didn't realize that Tanganyika was part of tanzania.

If none of that has been canonized...

My, my, Caer has been busy. 5 states at once. Plus the EAC, Kenya, Zimbabwe....

The Royal Guns (talk) 09:28, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Post-War Balkans
The article looks great, I'm really glad that it is finally finished. Just make sure that the maps are good and I look forward to seeing them when they are up. Ownerzmcown (talk) 01:13, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

Isiro
Based on the Kivu argument, you said that a DPI resurge and transition to democracy would occur.

My idea for said transition (wanted to run it by you JIC)

In another month or so, a revolution will start in Dungu, which, being the capital of a former nation, is a hot spot for such revolutions. This will devolve into a civil war between the Democrists and the Monarchists. A renewed and less psycho DPI will lead the Democrists.

There will be WCRB posts on the war, every month or so.

After 5-6 months, the situation will subside. Isiro becomes a constitutional monarchy, the house of nobles being elected now, the house of Priests remaining like the house of Lords, and the armies government position will be downgraded but still important. The national religion remains Isironism, but other religions are no longer outlawed.

The New Isiro government will then embark on a bit of expansion, then apply to the LoN for observer status.

There will probably be no peacekeepers sent in, since the LoN barely knows about them and anyway isn't keen to send troops inton the middle of Africa, while Kivu, etc, don't care.

The Royal Guns (talk) 14:19, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

Also, would the nuking of Albany affect troy? After all, according to the list troy wasn't hit. The Royal Guns (talk) 15:27, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

Take another 10, 20 years for the LoN membership?

The Royal Guns (talk) 10:00, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Out of curiousity, I'm wondering where I could have a flourishing successor nation. I realize most will be taken up, but it'd be nice to have something better to work with than the NPRC, which is kinda boring.

I'm thinking Spain, in the Toledo area as a possible candidate.

I'm also thinking a spot in the former Low Countries, but I don't know about that area.

There could also be an area in the Italian-dominant regions of Illyria which claims to be a Venetian republic, or New Venice. Or perhaps I could resurrect Ragusa?

Could Ancona, Italy, or Pisa work? Doubtable.

Or perhaps Danzig?

I doubt many of these could flourish.

Canuck2012 (talk) 02:36, August 2, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

DD
Urmm...There aren't any countries up for adoption. None that I can find, anyway.

I really want a nation much more better off and succesful than the NPRC in China...like I stated, it's boring. I don't think having a Kashmir independence war would be much fun, or work out AT ALL...but it'd be cool if I could have an independent Ragusa/Dubrovnik.

Or I could form a state in the former US...but I have no idea where...what's the status of the St. Louis area? If it's free, I'd like to create a state of Cahokia.

Or could I perhaps create an autonomus Republic of Regusa? Or try to form an autonomous Kashmir?

Canuck2012 (talk) 17:44, August 2, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

Could Ragusa eventually split from Croatia? Or are they there for good?

And could Kashmir fight an Independence War?

Canuck2012 (talk) 18:03, August 3, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

I know. I'm just clutching at straws here.

You know, as much as I like 1983: Doomsday, I don't think I really can contribute to it. There's simply no more room for anything succesful.

Are there any other good post-nuclear timelines I can contribute to?

Canuck2012 (talk) 19:57, August 4, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

Yeah, I just need to expand my horizons, methinks.

Speaking of timelines, how do you make a timeline "open?" Do you simply say "open", or is there some sort of setting? And is it possible to have a timeline that's half-closed, half-open? 'Cause I need help getting my timeline up and running, and would like contributors.

Canuck2012 (talk) 02:51, August 6, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

Okay, how about a succesful, pro-reintegration state on the coastline of the Carolinas, based around Charleston?

Could a succesful state exist around Vologda? Yaroslavl?

Erg...there's not a whole lot else out there, unless I create an event that causes secessionist feeling and civil war...

Canuck2012 (talk) 01:36, August 17, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

The Khmer probably won't be able to rise again as a dominant power, though I haven't read up on P-D Cambodia.

Spanish states like Castile or Aragon? Doubtful, and where could they fluorish? Spain seems like a wasteland to me.

Could Poland and Lithuania reunite? Improbable.

Could there be an area where Muscovy remerge, or even the Tsardom of Russia? Or is OTL USSR taken up?

What's the status of Austria and Hungary?

What about Tartus? Could Phoenicia rerise?

What areas in the former US are available?

I'd like a state preferably set up in an area that would allow it to fluorish more than other Post-Doomsday states, in a good economic and defensive position like Montreal. A place near the sea or on a major river would be nice. It would also be nice to have a state which's language is easily translateable by Google Translate, if possible.

Canuck2012 (talk) 23:39, August 18, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

Palestine (NN)
Hey LG, another quick question.

So, in No Napoleon, I've had Israel become a British protectorate after a, and as the emerges, Israel would lose at the hands of the Egyptians, French, Turkish, and others. What I was planning was having the becoming independent, but would it make more sense that the  is given to Egypt and the  is given to Turkey?

Thanks, ChrisL123 (talk) 04:09, August 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not understanding your question. The status of which nation? Jordan? Israel? Palestine? ChrisL123 (talk) 00:32, August 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, you're right, it isn't. Sorry about that. But I figured it would stay with Turkey after the revolution. I was thinking that the area of OTL Jordan would end up as a province, similar to the USSR's reformation into republics. In any case, it will stay with Turkey. And Britain would only be successful in gaining Israel as a protectorate. Israel's borders would more or less be those of (without ). ChrisL123 (talk) 00:52, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

Ideas for Timelines
I want to bounce some ideas for a new timeline. What would happen if Benito Juarez was killed before he was able to regain Mexico? Would there be a way to legitimize the Maximillian regime? We've explored ways for the first Mexican Empire to survive, is it possible to find for the second to survive?

Yank 23:39, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

What would happen if the Republics of California and Texas stayed independant? The Civil War would potentially be different, and there is no way that either Alaska or Hawaii would become US States. Alaska would be Russian/independant, and Hawaii could potentially either stay indpendant or become British. What do you think?

Yank 00:18, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

I didnt use any disparaging words in there at all. I asked him to not edit the map game because i want to keep the integrity of the players' moves as they were written. I did it because he sometimes re-words entire sentences and the meanings are altered like what happened on Spread Of Communism Revised. If there is a rule then i guess i can't do much about it then.AP (talk) 00:40, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

What would happen if the Dutch kept their New Netherland colony? I've read a timeline in which they did so by appointing a different person to lead the colony at a critical time. Yank 01:28, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

Possible survivor city states in North America
Hey LG. How have you been? I've been wanting to create an city-state in North America for 1983:Doomsday, and I understand that most of North America is covered by large nations or just inhabital. I was hoping you can help me find an plausible place for an city-state in North America. Thanks. Enclavehunter (talk) 03:02, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

Hopefully in northern Missouri, or southern Arizona or New Mexico, but where do you think is the best place? Enclavehunter (talk) 05:17, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

Why cause more problems?
I won't go where I'm not wanted.

Did you read my explanation about A and AN?

Rather good, if I may say so myself.

EoGuy (talk) 04:23, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

New Netherland
The new commander is but the beginning. He makes decisions that transform New Netherland from a fur trading outpost into a proper colony. By the time the Brits come the settlement of New Netheland has become a fortified town with a population in the thousands. New Netherland eventually grows to encompass OTL New York, New Jersey, Vermont and part of Conneticut. This means that the New England area is completely cut off from the rest of the US.

Somalia
Having the point reinforced (-_-) with Sichuan (you win), I wondered if Somalia could have any real state outside the parts which are already nations?

The Royal Guns (talk) 10:05, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

ip 86.180.248.201
i kinda thought it was, but i was not sure. i perma-banned the IP over on the "other" wiki. like i tell them over there that's not the way to do things. i do try to discourage that kinda behavior over there. please let me know if in the future they is any problems.Wingman1 (talk) 10:08, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

83DD World Map
Um...why did you revert the changes I made to the World Map? All I did was add Dakota to the US along with some border adjustments to the Republic of Florida and the Celtic Alliance. Arstar talk 05:41, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

...and you locked it indefinitely. Are you like the caretaker of the map or something? Because last I checked anyone could update the map according to canon. Arstar talk 05:49, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

...and the last I checked this was a community timeline and everyone was allowed to edit the map. So just because you created the map does not mean you are its caretaker. Because before the one you put up, there was another map that people would freely edit when an article got graduated or two nations combined etc.

I almost feel like you know this. So I am going to ask you again, please remove the lock. Arstar talk 15:46, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Couldn't help but notice this.... it isn't any of my business, but if it is LG's map then editing it would kind of be like editing one of his articles (just my opinion) so really, he should give permission first... though I'm not sure a lock is necessary...

The Royal Guns (talk) 15:50, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Ganon, you are exhibiting an attitude unbecoming of your rank. The original map, though far less detailed than yours, was open to editing by those who were working on articles, as Arstar is doing right now (almost to the exclusion of everyone else!). While we appreciate your work, it was indeed, as you say, created for the community. It should be open for editing by responsible editors (especially administrators) just like the original map was. Arstar, please be careful to use the same colors, at least, when altering a map. As for the accuracy, that is up for discussion but should not be a reason to block a user from editing. SouthWriter (talk) 18:22, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

... Anything? Anything at all?
I was wondering if there might be ^^ in Nambia?

The Royal Guns (talk) 15:09, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Dem....

So, Europe's PEH has come already, pretty much... same with China, and, obviously, India, in terms of NEW states, though of course many of those are canon.

Canada seems a bit empty, especially since I assume the moajority of strikes would be in the south...

\ The Royal Guns (talk) 13:17, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

DeanSims's blog
DeanSims's recent blog has caused mostly scandal and arguments, and there have been calls for the whole thing to be deleted. I think it should be deleted, but should I put the deletion notice up first? LurkerLordB (Talk) 21:55, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Neo-Feudal America Map Game
I'm thinking about creating a map game where various factors have reduced the United States to the standard of living of Europe in the Middle Ages. How would it be possible for this to come about? Yank 01:03, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

What about an eruption of the Yellowstone supervolcano? Yank 20:45, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

What would properly shatter the Union without too much physical damage? What about a pandemic illness? That could shatter the nation as well as make the outside world a non-factor.

Yank 20:51, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

What would have the desired effect? I'm trying to create a scenario in which most of America is small states, with a few larger ones. Yank 20:55, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Permanent. I want it to be that there is no plausible way for the United States to be restored. It's so that there would be as many playable nations as possible. Yank 21:20, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Coding Issues
Maybe you can help me out here, i really don't know who to ask. Two pages recently have been strangely altered with huge paragraphs of weird characters and such. Then i found out they were coding glitches. To my immediate knowledge, there have been two pages affected--Lobositz's Lamentable Loss(in which the problem was said to be 'irreversable' and the owner closed the game) and the talk page of Vive La Revolution Reloaded. Are these problems irreversable? If not how are they fixed? Thanks.AP (talk) 07:45, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that. How do you know that your post will do that? Clearly i had no clue i did it, so i want to know how to prevent/avoid it.AP (talk) 08:05, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Post-War Balkans
Hey, LG, I really like the maps, they really came out well. My only concern is the extent to which Bosnia has expanded, it appears as though they seemed to draw into a lot of Serbia land, which I didn't expect. Of course I'm a bit of a perfectionist so it may just be that I don't like the irregular shape. Anyway, now that the war part is over, I will get around to writing in about it on the Macedonia page. If there's anything left to do just message me.

- Ownerzmcown (talk) 16:58, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

Japanese Christianity
I understand that people have approached this subject before. I'm not saying that the Japanese become Christians immediately, as that would be ASB. I'm asking what would happen if the centuries of progress branching off of Catholicism was not immediately reversed after religious freedom was restored during the Meiji Restoration. What would happen to history if instead a distinctive Japanese Christian Church was founded? And officially recognized after the Christianity was legalized following World War II?

Yank 01:42, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Disease-oriented 1983: Doomsday offshoot
The Japanese Christian thing was more of a thought experiment than anything serious. What would be the end result of a pandemic of epidemic proportions? What disease could plausibly shatter civilization as we know it? Could the accidental release of a biological weapon cause worldwide devestation? Like The Stand but more plausible, and without the obvious good-vs-evil overtones?

Yank 02:08, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Would it be too ASB to have a superflu evolve that it is powerful enough to permanently change the world as we know it? And would it be possible for pockets of civilization, if not whole countries, to pull through it unscathed? As I said before I want the potential timeline to resemble Doomsday, but with pandemic sickness as the cause rather than a nuclear war. Yank 14:19, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

I've got an account

120.28.181.77 05:46, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Spam filter
Hello.

In Principia Moderni, I was trying to fix the Finnish Empress' name from Ghandi-Komeiji to Gandhi-Komeiji, as Ghandi is a common mis-spelling of Gandhi.

However, when I try to fix her name in 1998 (her name appears twice there), I can't because a spam filter. I tried again recently, but still no luck. Apparently, the problem word comes from Chamoru's post, as one of their inventions (which starts with a letter V) is also a word blocked by the spam filter. Could this somehow be reported, please? -Kogasa 2012年8月29日 17:50:00 (JST)

what's ASB about the French 1815, German 1914 so I can change itLimeuan (talk) 09:17, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

k tnxLimeuan (talk) 09:21, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

World Map
Could you send me a link of a blank version of the map you use for the 1983: Doomsday world map? I want to use it for a new project of mine. Arstar talk 19:56, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

New Country (1983: Doomsday)
I'm thinking about creating a new country in 1983: Doomsday. I would like to call it Freedonia. It would be a decentralized confederation of city-states in North Carolina. I chose North Carolina because most of the surivor communities only have a brief mention on the state page. Their existance is touched apon, and that's it. It would be interesting if the country was formed recently as a way for the city-states to become stronger. The country's economy is mostly agrarian. What do you think?

Yank 21:33, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

The Virginians could do it. Their work in Tennessee should show that they would want to help the Freedonians. The Virginians would jump at the chance to increase their regional influence. Besides, they've single-mindedly directed themselves to recover as much of the former state of Virginia as possible. The country would start as one of those communities, and would steadily grow as time goes on. Would it be okay if the founder of Freedonia named it the Principality of Freedonia because he was a Marx Brothers fan? This would be another example of a "new state". In other words the states that were founded recently, like Keene. I'm not saying they become an economic powerhouse or anything.

Yank 13:42, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

A Soviet Axis
As I seem to recall telling you before, there is no way that the Soviets and Nazis just start being allied like that. There needs to be a reason for it. You do not have one. Nor is it at all possible for one that early. The hate each other, remember. And that part isn't going to change. Germany really isn't capable of invading Denmark in addition to those areas. Germany also needs those troops elsewhere, and is not capable of sending them to Egypt at that point. Moreover, the Italian colonial forces, while inept, actually far outnumbered the British defenders. Not that they stood a chance, mind - they were pretty useless, overall. If the US has declared war on the Germans, why on earth would they be ordering sanctions? The first kind of negates the latter. Why would the Soviets be involved or declared war on? They haven't done a thing, barring the impossible alliance, that they did not do in otl. Heck, they've done less, which makes little sense either. One sunk ship isn't going to get the US into the war. The USSR, as was proven on several occasions, would have steamrolled the Japanese. There is a very good reason they did so in 1945 - one that had little to do with Japanese losses elsewhere, for their forces in the area were still virtually intact by that point. Finns would not let the USSR get that far. More importantly, you refer to them invading just before winter, but the given date is in June. The Germans would also not let the Soviets do that. They only got away with it otl because they were opposed. Any sort of alliance, and the whole attack goes out the window. Germans aren't really capable of launching attacks from sea like that. Nor would the Soviets have let them do that, or not have had it already under their control in the first place. No way the Soviets would retreat from that point. The Germans will not invade Switzerland. Not only would it be something that would take months, at best, it would be a worse sore in their side than Spain was in Napoleon's. Attacking your bank, and your main area of intel operations, is also not ever a good idea. Basically, there is not benefit to doing it. Soviet ships don't have the ability to do that. The Soviets have basically no navy. And what they do have is pretty well stuck where it is based.
 * And yet, the Soviets did request to join the Axis in 1940.
 * Why is that?
 * Okay, I'll change that. Not an expert on the African Front.
 * True that lol.
 * Okay.
 * Heh, but that's what happened in WWI. War was almost declared off of 120 American deaths, much less 430. But, there were also a bunch of other sunken ships I'm going to put in there. Also, what do you think is the plausibility Mexico would have joined the war with Germany?
 * Okay, I'll change that.
 * Okay.
 * Alright I'll change.
 * Okay again lol.
 * And yet Hitler's kinda crazy isn't he?
 * Alright, thanks!

Thanks for the help LG. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 20:02, September 4, 2012 (UTC) Could you check the Timeline for me? And ignore the overview timeline lol. I need to revamp it to fit the timeline. Thanks! PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 15:09, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

I've fixed it up a bit, is it better? PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 20:15, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

No, they actually did not request anything, or be offered it. Negotiations did happen, though exactly how legitimate they were is a matter of some debate. What they actually were about was another treaty like the one signed over Poland. Let's just say that they couldn't bullshit their way through a second one. Have a look at the demands for the reasoning for that one.
 * But, is it not even slightly possible that the Nazis would have taken up on the offer?
 * Okay.

Really, Pita, those talks were just about securing their border temporarily - that's all either side expected from it. Logistics - there were shortages, more that you'd think, during the invasion of the Low Countries, and then France, otl. Adding Denmark to that mix makes it worse. And, as well, the forces in question that would need to be used would stand a good chance of allowing the French to halt the attack in the west through the reduced numbers there. "Almost declared" is not declared, remember. And that was actually far from the only ship sunk in that war before the Germans stopped sinking neutrals. U-boats are not going to be sinking American ships like you've got written. The Germans aren't stupid - they know it will bring in the USA, like in WWI, to do unrestricted submarine warfare. They also won't operate anywhere in that region.\ Mexico would not even consider such a thing. They didn't like the Germans either, quite frankly, for the same reasons as the US. Hitler didn't get "crazy" until the end. There is absolutely no way that the Germans invade Switzerland. There is no way a Treaty like otl gets signed in 1937. Really, that it got signed at all otl was shocking. And you're ignoring the fact that they hate each other. There is a very good reason why the Soviets went to the west first, and spent a very long time on it. The Japanese not being part of the Axis would have no impact on that part. You kinda missed my point about Egypt - the Brits defeated an Italian force that outnumbered them ridiculously easily. It wasn't even a contest - the Italians were that much of a joke. Nor would it be a "ruse." The Brits wouldn't even need to rush troops there - and what forces they did move wouldn't have been moved there from anywhere in Europe, either. The Italians would try to invade southern France, as well. But until they invaded there and in Egypt, they wouldn't have been involved in the war, or even have declared it. The attack in France goes just about as well as the one in Egypt. Pita, there is a nice article on wikipedia about ways the USSR almost got into a slight alliance with the Germans - not that the word "alliance" is really inaccurate there - you may want to look on there for it. Anyhow, thanks for the help.
 * Alright, I’ve fixed that up.
 * Okay. Then I suppose I’ll just have the US not enter the war at all lol.
 * Okay.
 * Okay.
 * Okay.
 * Is it this one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Axis_talks

PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:05, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Also, I heard one of the main reasons Hitler invaded the USSR was because of oil shortages. If in the treaty the USSR offered cheap oil, perhaps no invasion? PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:10, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Also, there are plans that the Brits and French made to help Finland against the Soviets in the Finland War. Possible? PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:23, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Principia Moderni II Renaming
Why have all of the names been changed for the parentheses to read (Principia Moderni II Map Game) from (Principia Moderni II)? The original game just had (Principia Moderni) at the end of the titles, as has numerous other previous map game pages, like the entire Axis vs. Allies series, among others. LurkerLordB (Talk) 22:10, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Lincoln's Mistake
i looked up and your right it was impossible many points of this timeline. ive alread decided to abandon it and focus on my other timeline A Darker Place, would you mind putting Lincoln's Mistake forward for deletion, i dont know how to.

Can you give me any advice?
How's it going? I am sorry to bother you, but I was wondering if you may be able to give me any advice. I am still interested on the idea of a New Netherlander Empire for 13FS. Since I completely suck at it, can you recommend any territories that could fall into making this idea a reality? I am not considering a global empire, but more or less like what America was able to control OTL. I can make a few guesses based on OTL (like Guam for instance), but after getting wrong Vermont and Suriname, I would like to get any input you may have to offer. If not, I understand, but can't hurt to ask. TTFN. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 01:11, September 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm a friend? Lol. As for what you have said, it has helped me out. However, do you really believe the Spanish would be willing to sell territory? I'm sure OTL this would be no problem (given the situation), but wouldn't they be more unwilling, especially since they would retain dominion status on their American colonies. But "by and large" (hearing this reminds me of WALL-E, lol), I am not talking about making NN a global empire, but enough to classify it one (enough territory to make them and I happy). As for war, I can understand, but what is your definition of NN going to war with the Spanish Dominion of Venezuela? Probably not any better. However, avoiding war and working out a peaceful solution may work out in an idea I had recently. I was considering that the war in in 1898 would also allow NN to expand to include more of the coastal islands of Venezuela (not just the one the Netherlands claimed throughout the 19th century). And since these islands (OTL) aren't worth anything (except the oil that was discovered much later on), could it be possible for NN to purchase them? Maybe along with the East Indies (see below).


 * After doing some research and thinking, I have come up with a couple of ideas that I would love to get your two cents on. I know very little about the Scramble for Africa, but I did come across an interesting tidbit. The reason the US didn't get involved in Africa is (aside from the European powers likely pushing them out), is that the US had enough territory (i.e., the Wild West) to suit them in colonization (not to mention enough manipulation in the Americas to make them happy). Since NN doesn't have that luxury, it could be said that they may get involved. However, as I mentioned before, I know little about Africa to know where to even start. The only places in Africa I could say NN would succeed in Africa would be Liberia and the [Belgian] Congo. Liberia was originally an "American Colony," but given no US, it would be up to Maryland and Virginia to "colonize" the region. But given their situation (plus how the "colonization" worked out OTL), I kinda doubt it would be up for grabs by the time NN is interested in expanding. The Belgian Congo is another area that may be avaliable, especially since (as I am currently moving towards in ATL Europe) Belgium would not exist. But in the long run (and as I said before), I wouldn't know where to start. Plus, I think I have a better idea.


 * I would agree (and hope) that the Pacific would be easy pickings. What pops out in my mind right away is the . Obviously excluding the Philippines, the remaining islands (which includes Guam and the areas that were once part of the ) would be an interesting start. Samoa is another area of interest. Hawaii (I think) would be completely off the table (if Russia can't gain it, NN would stand no chance). However, given Guam and Samoa being of interest, this brings me to the fact that these regions were once part of the German Colonial Empire. While I need to completely figure out how Germany/HRE works out in ATL, I am moving towards a timeline with an early and complete unification. While this may not mean an early colonial expansion, it makes be wonder how Germany would operate in the Pacific if NN is also there in "force." While no US, I would like to think that the country would be more imperialistic, and the Pacific is open, I thought of an interesting idea. More or less, Germany stays secluded in Africa, while NN fills the vacuum in the Pacific. This could also give NN access to northern Papua New Guinea. From what I have skimmed through about German New Guinea, the British (excluding Queensland) was not interested in gaining all of the territory, leaving the option of a divided island open for Germany. I will need to do more reading, so I don't have a plan yet, but given that Germany gained the territory in the 1880s (the same time that the anti-imperialist Grover Cleveland would be in office), I am not too sure how this may come out. Maybe NN gains the East Indies and expands southwards (the opposite of what happened OTL). But before I look further, any thoughts?


 * I was also considering whether or not NN would be able to establish a canal from the Caribbean to the Pacific. Either the Nicaragua Canal or the Panama Canal, either or. The only problem is unlike OTL US, which also had the luxury of having a weaker Nicaragua and Colombia to deal with, we have Spanish dominions. I thought about whether Spain would be willing to sell or lease territory to establish a canal, or even work on a joint venture. Any thoughts? However, I came up with an idea that I personally like 1000% more than a canal. It seems too perfect to be true, but I believe it could be possible given the time and situation. However, I would like to get a second opinion before I star to work out details, find out it's wrong, and make an ass of myself again. Here it is... Antarctica. I know what you are thinking, but hear me out. NN gained access to islands in the Pacific, but Spain blocking a canal (or not allowing NN control), than the only way to get there is traveling past Cape Horn. Since the Antarctic Peninsula and the South Orkney Islands are there, and more importantly, unclaimed, it could would be easy to gain them without a fight. Since Britain wouldn't claim sovereignty over the region until 1908, and I believe Roosevelt may jump on this idea, there would be a nine-year window of opportunity for Roosevelt to claim the region. No other country (at the time) claimed any part of Antarctica, NN would be open. I am not talking the annexation of the entire continent, but more or less the BAT going to NN. The only three problems with this would be A-B-C (Argentina, Britain, Chile). I doubt Britain would bother, provided NN leave the Falklands and the SGSSI alone (plus the fact that later on, Britain would probably gain a larger piece of the continent [courtesy of Australia and New Zealand]). Since Argentina and Chile would be dominions (and wouldn't make claims OTL until the 1940s), they wouldn't be a problem. This may also allow me to incorporate elements of a timeline I have been considering (where the Antarctic Treaty never happens, leaving the continent open to claims and conflict). Given this particular part of Antarctica is the "most habitable," I would also like to explore the possibility of this being NN's equivalent to Greenland. But again, I would like to get your take on this.


 * Hope I didn't fry your brains, but I had a long day to think this all over. TTFN. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 04:07, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Well, thank you very much. Glad I am liked around here, lol.

Anyway, I have to start at the bottom, because I was more attached to an Antarctic claim on the peninsula. I do appreciate the fact that you turned around the "no peninsula" facts into a bigger claim to the eastern parts. But it has to be said, why is it that the peninsula (by far the more interesting part of the continent) always busts out for me, and in turn leads me to "Bellinsgauzenia"? I just find this too ironic, don't you? I am well aware that Wilkes would be a New Netherlander (not New Dutch, lol), and I only referred to it as "Greenland" as to how it would be governed and populated (general autonomous and populated to be a stopping ground).

But in the end, I guess I get a bigger claim, and the idea of both sides recognizing each others' claim would be interesting (by means of my original idea of no treaty system). Anyway, back to the start. The situation on how Latin America will have to be dealt with in a future discussion. So shall we assume (for now) that Venezuela will become independent? As for the islands I had in mind, I only included the Federal Dependencies (nothing more). Aide from Nueva Esparta, which other island(s) are you talking about? Also, Trinidad? Can you explain?

So from what you are saying, Liberia will exist. If so, what would be the chances of it become a colony (or a protectorate) of NN?

So a Pacific empire is okay, just stay out of New Guinea. No Samoa, but possibly Tuvalu, Fiji, and Tonga? I am intreagued. Would the Brits allow this. I would personally love to have Tuvalu, but Fiji is also too juicy for me to pass up. Any thoughts on both? Greedy, I know. ^^;

So NN could have a canal, just not own it. This would be very interesting, and it would have to be in Nicaragua?

Sorry, I am completely beat for the day, so forgive me if I don't write as much. But I believe I get the basic idea, and I hope I haven't forgotten anything. I feel I will need to work out a map to help us out. I will work on one later. Until then, TTFN. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 03:51, September 10, 2012 (UTC)




 * Hm... well I guess this is going to have to be discussed in greater detail on the main talk page sometime in the future. But for now, let's get back to business. Isla Aves I have already been including as part of the islands which NN won control of in the 1898 war. But this changes things up. But whether or not I want to include ALL of the islands of the Federal Dependencies, I will be sure to leave out Patos Island.


 * So Liberia is out. I can understand Tonga being a protectorate (like OTL), but Fiji and Tuvalu would be colonies, right? This is very helpful, but I do have to ask if there would be any possibility for a land-based colony/claim. More or less, I would like to see a claim which would allow the inclusion of more inland territory. Liberia and even New Guinea would have satisfied this, my ideas for Antarctica are going to be a bust, and Fiji will greatly help out, but can you think of any ideas for such a large colony? If not, I understand.


 * I am well aware how much trouble Panama was, and that a canal in Nicaragua was proposed but abandoned OTL. I could see a Nicaragua Canal as being interesting. And I am well aware it would be a joint venture.


 * Lastly, I have to bring it up as a potential addition in Antarctica. While I will have to look at how NN's claim will look like (meaning how much they may claim [since Wikles Land is big]), I would assume that France's claim (OTL) would not exist (depending on how early NN decides to make the claim). While this would definitely not affect the idea I have, it is worth noting this. I am also considering the inclusion of the French Antarctic and Southern Lands (the ones not off the coast of Madagascar). While probably no better than Antarctica (by means of potential use and potential population), what would be the chances of NN acquiring these islands, mostly from purchase. Since they were only used for scientific purposes, whaling, and even a failed mining program, they certainly gain my attention. But I am sure this is going to be a pointless venture.


 * I have made a map to show what has been mentioned so far. Orange refers to NN as it stands (canon), while blue is potential. I include the areas based on OTL's map (meaning what is included instead of how they are included). Feel free to correct me if needed. Thank you again. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 18:36, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

Do you mean ? Well from what I have skimmed through, the region was disputed between Britain, France, and Spain; until Spain gained full control by 1900. While I guess it could be possible, I can't say for sure. Since the modern day country was established from the unification of the mainland and islands, maybe only including the mainland in a purchase may be interesting. I will have to look into this, but I doubt it, and have to agree that this may be just grasping for straws. But I do appreciate the suggestion. In the end, Fiji (which is big enough to have "inland" area) should suffice.

Victoria Land includes the coast along the Ross Sea. So no coastline. Quite confusing, but I can see your point. So in a new definition, NN would gain virtually all (or most) of OTL AAT, with the potential inclusion of (or did I misread you on those islands?). As for Kerugelen, it couldn't hurt to ask, but I already had the feeling it wouldn't work. Other than that, I believe I have enough to look into. Thank you again. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 23:59, September 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * That is interesting. Not that it helps out in the slightest, but in my searches, I came across this alternate history article, at least showing we aren't the first to think of this. But it does make me think, if the US weren't occupied in the west (like ATL NN), could this be an option (especially if Spain already has Morocco). But again, it all depends on how NN would react (aside from me who says "lets do this"). From I know, the Franco-New Netherlander relationship may favor France welcoming NN to the region (encouraging some to attempt a purchase), while Spain (like you said before) may not want to part the region to NN, on the grounds that they selling territory to the same power. I would like to think it would depend on the date, which would most likely be around the same time NN would purchase the Spanish East Indies. I would like to think this would be a 50-50 shot (more like 60-40), with me moving towards just doing it anyway. Unless you want to talk me out of it.


 * Now I understand on Antarctica. So no Victoria Land, plus dividing the AAT with Norway (and getting the islands). Okay, works for me. And off the topic, what is your take on there being a Scandinavia (rather than the canon Sweden and united Denmark-Norway), meaning is it likely or a dead idea. Also (since it is also canon [before I got here]), should New Zealand be a state of Australia? I will have to make a new section about how the rest of the world will look like once this is all sorted out. Again, thank you so much. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 01:37, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you again. Sorry for the delayed response, but I believe I have enough to work with.

Just one more thing. I thought of a potential timeline on how New Netherland gains Spanish/Venezuelan territories that I would like to get your two cents on. I am probably off, but this is from what I know at the moment. NN would purchase the Dutch/Danish/Scandinavian West Indies around the 1860s/70s (a la Alaska), which would include some disputed islands off the coast of Venezuela. The inclusion of Fiji and such I would also say happen around this time (but not sure at the moment). During the 1880s/90s, a wave of independence in Latin America would lead to Venezuela securing independence (whether peacefully or violently will have to be addressed later). While NN would remain neutral during the events, tensions between the independent government of Venezuela would lead to war around 1898, in which NN secures the claims of the coastal islands (minus Nueva Esparta and Patos). The conflict would not become a land war, and Venezuela would probably abandon the islands to avoid further conflict. Because of this, NN does not go to war with Spain, which lead to continued good relations. Years later, NN would take advantage of a weaken Spain, offering to purchase some of its empire. This would include the East Indies (minus the Philippines) and their claims in Guinea (Equatorial Guinea). I'm sure you will find holes in this (or me misreading somethings), but it's a start.

I plan on updating the North America map soon, as well as staring a discussion about the areas outside NA (such as South America and Europe). I will hope you will be able to stop by. One more thing (since you forgot to mention it previously), what is your take on New Zealand being part of Australia? Other than that, thank you again. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 01:25, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

A Soviet Axis
I also am thinking about the German invasion of Norway. I heard that Whitworth wanted to launch a powerful counterattack to the Germans but the Admiralty only sent a few ships along the way. If the Royal Navy had sent a powerful attack and defeated the Germans, could that have given them the excuse to occupy Norvik and defend Finland? This is assuming that the Finns sensed that help was near and didn't sign the Moscow Peace Treaty. This could also lead to the Germans being much worse off in the war because of the loss of iron from Sweden. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 20:21, September 10, 2012 (UTC)