Negotiation Page (Explorers 1452 Map Game)

This is the negotiation page for Explorers 1452 (Map Game). Ceasefires, alliances, and trade deals can be bargained here. Remember, first post your proposal on the map game, then post it here second in case of haggling.

If a nation wants an alliance with you, your nation can bargain (example-Portugal wants an alliance with Spain, but Spain will only join if Portugal gives up its land claims in South America.) This is what the page is for.

You must write your proposal under your target nation's space provided below. Example:


 * Empire of Trebizond: We would like to propose an alliance to the Papal States.


 * Papal States: We will only accept an alliance if you cede all African territories to us and grant our merchants trade rights on the Black Sea.


 * Empire of Trebizond: We are afraid we cannot accept the terms. How about if we give you trade rights on the Caspian Sea instead?

If a nation outright rejects your offer and announces they have no further wish to negotiate with you, then please respect your fellow player and do not continue to press the matter.

Aztec Empire

 * Ireland: Why did you declare war on us?
 * Aztecs: You invaded our territory.
 * Papal States: Please note that a Crusade has been called to strike you down. Convert, oh heathen, or face the wrath of God! The Papacy has a missionary outpost in the Central Americas and we feel threatened by your presence and mortified by your human sacrifice. We will support Ireland and Florence financially and militarily against your people.

England

 * France: Although France and England have a troubled past, we request help from England in our war with Florence, they have already overextended their forces and if we are victorious, then you shall be given their American possessions.
 * Florence: We also ask you to help us in our war with France. We will give you northern France and the Netherlands if you agree to it, plus trading rights and no tariffs on all of our territory. We will also give you 6,000 gold florins.
 * France: If you assist us then we shall allow British concessions in the French cities of Marseilles, Cherbourg, and Amsterdam. We shall also allow trading rights and no tariffsm and pay you 10,000 livres.
 * Florence: Raise our offer to 18,000 florins! And you will also recieve our Californian colonies, and a concession over the Italian cities of Ajaccio (Corsica), Lucca (Tuscany) and Prato (Tuscany).
 * France: We raise our offer to 30,000 livres, and offer giving you our colony of Hispaniola, as well a we shall give you an English section in any French city you please, even Paris!
 * Florence: We will raise our offer to 32,000 florins, and we will give you five galleons, filled of as much gold as they can, brought from America. We will also give you a concession of Malacca, our African colonies, and an English section in any Italian city you want! If we are victorious, we will give you not only all of North France and the Netherlands, but Bugrundy and Western France too! We will pay tribute of 50 gold florins a day for two years if you agree!
 * Aztecs: We want peace. We don't need any distractions while we're fighting the Irish.

Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
''' We are a peaceful nation, we only have our best intentions for the people. We are open to any disscusion of any matter, this includes trade agreements, war talks, alliance offer and any of the sort. '''


 * Muscovy: We request an alliance with Poland-Lithuania.
 * Poland-Lithuania: Friends, we accept your offer and ask if we could create a trade agreement for the better welfare for our people.
 * Muscovy: We agree.
 * Florence: We request help from you in our war against France. We will give you 1,500 golden florins if you accept.
 * Muscovy: We must not get caught up in the wars of the west, we must first focus on developing our own prosperity before extending our influence that far.

Castile

 * Ireland: Request Trade Rights.
 * Castille: accepts
 * Portugal: Should we come into an alliance?
 * Castille: We accept willingly!

Kalmar Union

 * France: We request help in our fight from the Kalmar Union, not only in the fight against Florence, but in the rising possibility that England may also soon become involved.
 * Portugal: I believe an alliance is needed.

Papal States

 * Ireland: Is there any way we can help in a war or setting up colonies or funding anything?


 * Papal States: Blessings be upon you, faithful Irishmen. The pope currently has all the gold he needs, but we are launching a Crusade against the Mamluk Egyptians in Libya. If you will collect and send troops to aid us in this war and the Crusade to liberate Libya succeeds, the pope may reward you with territory in North Africa and money for your new government.
 * Ireland: We are most grateful. The IRA will be happy to be working alongside the Knight's Templar!
 * France: We request an anti-Florentine pact with the mighty Papal States, they are our common enemy and may soon bring us to war, but none can do so alone.
 * Papal States: The pope is concerned with the growth of Florentine power, but not quite ready for open warfare just yet. Should our Florentine brothers attempt any significant military aggression against your people or another Christian nation, we will ally ourselves with you. A warning, however: privately, we do not believe Florence can be trusted. Our advice: Do not enter into an alliance with them.


 * Poland-Lithuania: Dear friends, we come to support thee against the Muslim devils. They pose a threat to Europe and we ask for an trade agreement so that we may support your ecomony. We are sending weapons, food, and medical equipment to you, they should arrive soon and I hope that by then your nation will not have failed at its great crusade..
 * Papal States: May the Saints bless you and keep you, faithful Christians! The pope has agreed to your trade agreement. We have suffered much in our war against the Mamluks, and we need all the assistance you can offer.
 * Ireland: We've captured Libya's capital. We will build a church and install a priest/bishop if we can get some reinforcements to keep the Libyans under control.

"She's a witch! A witch! Burn her!"
 * Papal States: The Knights of the Vatican and the Order of St. John are at your disposal for holding the Libyan capital. They will reinforce your armies there. Once all of Libya has been captured from the Egyptians, the pope will be willing to discuss your rewards for participating in the Crusade.
 * Florence: We ask you not to participate on the war between France and us.
 * Papal States: Dear Florentine brothers, the pope has observed that France has been goading your nation into war intentionally, but the church has also taken into consideration that it was a war originally provoked by your colonists, and should have been prevented. Currently, the pope is busy with the Crusade against the Muslims, but be warned: He does not favor that you have an army on his border as if to stab his earthy state in the back.
 * Florence: As long as you don't assure us of the Pope's neutrality on the war, your Earthly terrain will be under Florentine blockade.
 * Papal States: Florentine brothers, the pope is losing patience with you. Remove your ships from our ports, as our people are suffering. The decision of Papal neutrality is one for the pope, Christ's vicar on Earth, to make with the council of cardinals. Once we have achieved a result for our Crusade against Egypt, we will decide. Until then, respect our neutrality.
 * Ireland: Libya has fallen and the blockade is gone. Thank our Lord in Heaven for guerilla tactics!
 * Florence: Our new Doge, Piero de' Lorenzo, apologizes for his father's brutish behaviour.
 * Papal States: The pope warmly accepts the apology and is willing to let bygones be bygones. However, you may be required to cede some European land to the French. Personally, the pope recommends Corsica, so you can avoid having to give up any traditional Italian mainland to another nation.
 * Florence: We ask if we might continue in a crusade against the Aztecs. If you give us permission, we will make no truce with those heathens.
 * Papal States: Exterminate them! Since it is you calling the Crusade and not us, the church will assist you. The pope has agreed to send you reinforcements and grants you permission to keep any territory you conquer. Spare no pagan unless he converts to the true faith, and destroy all their places of worship.
 * Ireland: No. Stay out of my way, or I'll have the Aztec ruler's head AND the Doge's head on a pike.
 * England: This "Doge" that you speak of may also be known as His Holiness the Pope. I had thought that such a devout nation such as yourself would never dare disrespect His representative on Earth.
 * Papal States: No offense is taken. The Irish are simply referring to the Doge of Florence. For the war, we don't see why two Catholic nations of the same Faith are so bitter about who gets to keep pagan territory. As of now, the pope withdraws himself from the matter. Florence and Ireland will have to decide about that themselves without Papal meddling. We have had enough of involving ourselves in such trivial political quibbling.
 * Ireland: I was talking about the Doge of Florence. Piero de' Lorenzo. I respect the Pope highly. I was saying that I don't want Florence in on the goodies. Besides, you should talk, England. You broke from the Church and came back when we saved you.
 * England: Errr.....The Anglican Church won't exist for another 60 years. we're still Catholic.
 * Ireland: YOU'RE LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE! WITCH! Just kidding.
 * England: "And if she floats...."

Ahh...Monty Python....

Ireland

 * England granted us independence. I don't see a legitamite reason to attack them unless they declare war on us. Thanks for the independence!
 * Florence: We ask for an alliance with you against France in our war.
 * Ireland: Alliance denied.
 * Florence: Why does your nation reject our offer?
 * Ireland: We are friends with the Papal States and France. You are blockading them. We demand that you stop this war. Lorenzo de' Medici has already died because of this war. Don't cause anymore deaths.
 * Papal States: Thank heaven for coming to our aid. Our tiny fleet could not have contested the Florentines. Now, for your part in the Crusade against the Mamluks, your grateful pope rewards you with the entire rich Libyan coastline east of Aragonese territory in North Africa. This also includes any cities within the territory. May the Higher Power bless you and keep you safe!
 * Ireland: Ireland thanks His Holiness the Pope!
 * Papal States: The war with Florence has been concluded. You have a chance to get enough gold to turn you into a very wealthy and stable nation if you agree to a peace with them. The pope currently believes you should accept their desperate offer as they have been all but eliminated as a threat to the peace of Europe.
 * Ireland: We accept, but mark my words: we'll come back to finish the job if we need to.
 * Papal States: Florence has called a crusade against the godless Aztecs and the pope has agreed to support it. They have committed the ultimate sin through human sacrifice of Christians, the heathen! We will appreciate if you continue your war against the Aztecs. With Florence conquering on one side, and the Irish on the other, how can they stand against the true Faith?
 * Ireland: If Florence gets in my way, I will slaughter them as if they were Pagans like the Aztecs! (Notice how I play the Aztecs and the Irish. I'm wiping one of my nations out for territory for another.) However, I will reward Florence with some territory if they stay out of the way.
 * Florence: We will not go out of your way. We called the Crusades. And if you lift a single finger against the Italians, is full blown war against you again! Consider this as an ultimatum. We have one of the largest and strongest army and navy in the known world. We can land on your small islands, if you can't understand the meaning.
 * Ireland: Tell me then why Lorenzo de'Medici died while looking into the eyes of an Irishman. Why was the blade on Medici's throat carried by an Irishman raised on a small island? Why were our armies about to invade the city of Florence? How did we get inside your blockade and burn your ships down? During our war, we were about to lay waste to Florence. We can come back to finish the job.

I have a proposition for you, however: I will let you keep Central America. All of it. Mexico, however, is mine. We can even trade with each other. The Carribean is a prosperous place. Trade could flow in. Perhaps we can even have an alliance later on.
 * Florence: You are experts of backstabbing and swift attack! Lorenzo I de' Medici died looking on the eyes of an Irishman because he only woke up seconds before you attacked. Coward! You only dare to attack by night. Your navy was as swift as unexpected, and you attacked us before you declared war. You are only backstabbers and traitors! It was not you who attacked Florence. You only helped your much more noble "allies": Portugal, France and England. We can burn everything on your small, miserable island. Cneus Julius Agricola estimated rightly that only one legion would be needed to wipe you stubborn Celts off the map! If you attack us, believe us, everything from Belfast on the north to Luimneach on the south will be destroyed! Romans from our region were the ones who expulsed the celts out of Britannia! We will finish the job, if you wish.
 * But I will not waste lifes for nothing. Let's do your agreement: For now we will be at peace. But the slightest suspicious act, and everything on your miserable island will burn!
 * Ireland: We don't backstab. Lorenzo Medici was killed an hour after he awoke in the morning. We let him have a last meal. Several guards died guarding the palace. Now THAT was a fight. When you declared war on France, you declared war on us. We have an Alliance. Our military is very strong. We also have allies if you try to attack us. We attacked Florence in a joint attack. It was beautiful. You should have seen it up close instead of standing at your window, cowering.
 * Know that the Romans and the Celts were BOTH Pagan at the time. Now, the Romans and I are at peace. Even prospering together.
 * I'm glad that we can come to an agreement. You're a good, wise man.
 * Florence: Piero de' Lorenzo has died. That was his last international message, and now it is Lorenzo II speaking to you. We only want peace with your nation. Ours will be permanently scarred by the war and now we ask for you to accept our apologies.
 * I'm glad that we can come to an agreement. You're a good, wise man.
 * Florence: Piero de' Lorenzo has died. That was his last international message, and now it is Lorenzo II speaking to you. We only want peace with your nation. Ours will be permanently scarred by the war and now we ask for you to accept our apologies.
 * Florence: Piero de' Lorenzo has died. That was his last international message, and now it is Lorenzo II speaking to you. We only want peace with your nation. Ours will be permanently scarred by the war and now we ask for you to accept our apologies.
 * Florence: Piero de' Lorenzo has died. That was his last international message, and now it is Lorenzo II speaking to you. We only want peace with your nation. Ours will be permanently scarred by the war and now we ask for you to accept our apologies.

France

 * Ireland: Request Trade Rights.
 * France: Request granted, both countries distain Britain and would make excellent allies.
 * Ireland: Many thanks
 * Republic of Florence: We request an alliance with your mighty nation. Should we give you our Sri Lankan colony if you agree to terms?
 * France: I am sorry to say this, but I must rightfully decline your offer of an alliance at the request of another, more trustworthy at this time, party, whom we take relations with as precedent over Florence.
 * Poland-Lithuania: We see that you are in deep conflict with Florence, therefore we ask for a trade agreement, this act will both help you in your war against Florence but also help keep your ecomony stable.
 * Florence: We demand compensation from your act of war. The incident in Sri Lanka was out of orders and we consider you the aggressor.
 * France: Honestly I see this as simply another historical event with two sides to the story, after all it was your carracks that attacked our frigate in port, but that's simply our side of the story.
 * English reply to offers: We are happy to say that we will assist you in this war, if we do receive your Caribbean colonies and the Florencian holdings in the new world.
 * Papal States: The war has been concluded. The Florentines are about to go bankrupt paying you a massive tribute for the next two years, and will give you the island of Corsica if you agree to a peace with them. They have been taught a lesson and the pope believes that they are no longer a threat for now. In the meantime, he encourages your nation to accept their offer and profit by it.

Muscovy

 * Empire of Trebizond: We now share a border, friends of the Greeks! As fellow Orthodox Christians and trade partners, our gracious emperor has agreed that perhaps we should think our relationship to the next step. Would your ruler be willing to consider a defensive alliance with Trebizond, in the best interests of Eastern Christendom?
 * Muscovy: We accept your offer, willingly and graciously!

Aragon

 * Florence: Will your glorious nation join us in the war against France and their allies.

Republic of Florence

 * England: Thank you for your most generous of offers, but sadly we cannot agree. We have decided to side with France in this conflict. 


 * Poland-Lithunia: The position we are in does not give us a choice to join the war, however, we will send supplys to you if a trade agreement is made for the best interest's of the people.


 * Papal States: We are giving you your last chance to repent, Florentine heathen. The pope is on the verge of excommunicating you. Your friends the Turks are nowhere in sight, and all faithful nations of Christendom have sided against you. Your leader is dead, and we are about to proclaim a new Crusade with the goal of conquering Florence itself. Nay, exterminating it. As it is clear you desire more war than peace, so shall it be if you choose. You will not only war with the States of the Church, but with Christ's kingdom on Earth.


 * Ireland: It would be wise for you to end this war now!


 * England: Seconded! If you were to cede us your all of your American holdings, we would end this war now.
 * Response: We will never give out American colonies to you barbaric nations. But as the mighty Roman Empire once bribed the barbarians to keep away, so we will give you money to stop the war. Will 100,000,000 gold Florins, and 75 florins each month for two years, be sufficient?
 * Aztecs: Hey, now! Barbarians? That's offensive!
 * Florence: Although maybe the European nations are civilized, that cannot be said of you. You literally took my people's heart out of their chest, pagan!
 * England: Just like those Germanic tribes of old, money won't slake our thirst for conquest. We will not back down on our offer. One Italian city-state fighting against England, France, Ireland, Portugal, and the Aztecs on three fronts could be considered by some to be a desperate situation. Save yourself the pain of a complete surrender and give us your American colonies.
 * Florence: We will do whatever you want, but we won't give a single inch of our American territory. Please accept our offer!
 * Papal States: The pope has agreed that if you really seek peace, the States of the Church should accept your offer. The pope, in turn, will grant roughly half of it back to you for rebuilding your cities following the war. You will also agree to finance any Crusades the Papacy may be interested in launching during the near future. If you accept these terms and conditions, the pope will not excommunicate you and issue a notice to all Catholic nations that the war is over. As for France, the Papacy may be able to satisfy them if you grant them some territorial cession. We recommend Corsica, so that you will not lose traditional Italian mainland to the French.
 * Florence: we agree to your merciful claims, holy pope.
 * Aztecs: A bunch of wierd blue eyed pale people declared peace on you and we will too. We don't want any distractions from fighting the Irish.
 * North Britain: Just as King Arthur protected the remnants of true civilisation from the barbarian hordes, we offer our support to you, in return for land in the New World.
 * England: We accept your treaty. I hope that the unpleasant events of this war will not negatively effect our two nations in the future.Porro may Pope ago!

Ottoman Empire

 * Florence: We offer an alliance with your mighty nation. If you agree, we will give you 5,000,000 gold Florins and all of France's Asian territories.
 * Ottomans: We accept your alliance offer.

Mamluk Sultanate

 * Florence: We offer an alliance with your mighty nation. If you agree to it, we will give you 7,000,000 gold Florins.

Republic of Venice

 * France: We request an alliance with the mighty Republic of Venice against Florence, their colonists threaten our Sri Lankan colony and unless we unite against them, we all shall surely fall.