Talk:Second Sicily War (1983: Doomsday)

War in the Mediterranean!
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As of 9:33 PM (Eastern European Time) men from a Sicilian ship attempted to board a Greco-Libyan oil-freighter. Fortunately, the Greeks, Egyptians, and Libyans on the freighter (with 2 casualties) were able to fend off the attack, killing 3 and capturing 2. The other four men were able to flee back to their own vessel. Originally the crew believed them to be pirates, until the flag of Sicily was seen hanging from their stern. The oil-tanker was able to sail to the Greek-mandate of Cyrenaica, and the government in Skyros was radioed, alerted to the violence. At midnight, Saturday October 10th, an emergency meeting was convened of the different delegates of the new Confederation (I've decided to strengthen Greece into a Confederation, if that's okay) of Greece. At 12:30 the Confederation of Greece declared war on Siciliy, giving it 24 hours to apologize and meet the earlier demands given to it, to which they did not respond. The Atlantic Defense Community at its member states were alerted. Mr.Xeight 20:26, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Since Sicily is such a fascist and presumably militaristic, nation, I believe the Greeks would have their hands full. I can definitely see the Greeks, who I think are overextended, franky getting, the tar, stuffing and snot beaten out of them. --Yankovic270 00:49, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Overextended is right! Maybe not so badly as you say, since they've probably got the sea power to maintain themselves, but Sicily will probably be able to resist anything they can throw at them on the land.  Benkarnell 00:52, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Because the Alpine Confederation, Egypt, Pais del Oro, Celtic Confederation, and Portugal won't also take on Sicily right, Yankovic? Let's see Sicily defend its northern borders from the Austro-Swiss and its southern borders from the Greeks, Egyptians, and Spanish. Mr.Xeight 02:27, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * Now this is the second big war going on right now. I think the Saguenay War's being done right - discuss it on its own page, and talk about likely outcomes before posting news events.  What shall we call it?  Benkarnell 03:24, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Since the Saugenay War is going on right now, should we wait to iniate the war so as not to steal the spotlight of the North American War? Mr.Xeight 03:29, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey, history marches on. If the inhabitants of 83DD are to have their war, there's precious little we can do to stop them, here on this side of the dimensional divide. I think we can handle it.  (It might be a good idea to clear out some old discussions and proposals right now, however...)  Benkarnell 03:32, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

It's funny how both countries' national teams are in the same group trying to qualify for the World Cup, and war breaks out. I believe protocol would be to suspend play until hostilities cease, even though I don't have them going head to head in the final week of group play.--BrianD 03:45, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Who even put Sicily as a team in the world cup? They're a pariah state who's remained totally silent when asked why they're terrorizing the Med. I doubt they'd even be in any inter-European soccer league what with being the monsters of the Mediterranean. Mr.Xeight 03:50, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

I don't know who put together the list of "European countries invited to the event". I decided to build on what little had been posted about the World Cup, and had all the European nations listed competing (albeit putting them into qualifying rounds). I thought about leaving them out, but North Korea is as close to a pariah in the real world as I can come up with, and it regularly competes in international sporting events. I figured Sicily was in a similar situation, and that FIFA and the other European member nations would allow them to compete, if for no other reason than to open lines of communication between the two sides. If Sicily's participation isn't realistic, however, I can easily switch them out, perhaps with Prussia.--BrianD 04:01, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Oh, well then I suppose you're right. But how would fans react to the temporary suspension of their game? Has this happened in our world? Who do you see winning the 2009 FIFA world cup? Mr.Xeight 04:07, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm glad you brought up the point, Mr.Xeight. It's worthy of discussion. Fans would be disappointed, obviously. Sicily would probably use suspension of its match for propaganda purposes. As far as has it happened, I need to investigate that. Brazil tops the current FIFA World Rankings, and would be even more of a powerhouse in 83DD. Italy is fourth, by the way...Sicily probably wouldn't be 4th in our world, but in 83DD it might be one of the top sides. But as far as winning its group, I haven't decided yet.--BrianD 04:15, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

I believe that Sicily could repeat the North African campaign of WWII by invading the Greek mandates in North Africa from its pre-existing beachhead of Tunisia. And I would think that the Atlantic Alliance (I have forgotten the real name) would be more focused on the Sanguenay/Gape War in Canada to notice. --Yankovic270 03:13, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

I don't think the Alpine Confed. is tied up with sending its troops to wherever a 3,000 mile away area there's fighting in, nor would Egypt, Portugal, or Spain. Besides, even if say the Libyans (who don't have an established nation we know of) don't side with the Greeks, they'll still attack the Sicilians. And any Arab Tunisians not happy being under Catholic Sicilian rule might do them in from within. Mr.Xeight 03:19, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

It just seems that since the Italians prtetty much reverted to fascism, they would recycle tactics from WWII. On that note, I think an invasion of Eithiopia could be added to the article on Sicily. It is not a demand or anything, just a polite suggestion. And I think THIS war is between Sicily and Greece ONLY. --Yankovic270 03:47, October 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * First off, Greece is a member of the ADC an organization specifically created to contain Sicily. Even with the Saguenay war, it seems unlikely that they would do nothing now.  I agree with Mr. X that the Alpine Confederation would get involved.  Second off, just because they are fascists doesn't mean they will copy every page in Benito's playbook.  A political ideology doesn't mean military tactics would revert back to a previous era and there has been 40 years of technology and tactical improvement to account for. Also remember that the mafia wasn't exactly allies of the fascists in WWII.  Third, why should they go for Ethiopia?  Do they have a navy to do it?  Is the Suez even open for them?  What is there that they need that they can't get from North Africa or Europe?  Ethiopia is to far away for the Sicilians to consider.  Mitro 04:02, October 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with Mitro. So far, only the Celtic Alliance has committed itself to helping Canada.  Sicily strikes much closer to home for most of the Atlantic countries.  Actually, two simultaneous wars is a good way to highlight the weakness of the ADC: there really is no way for the countries to fight two wars at once.  They'll have to divide their forces.  The total lack of support for Canada, an ADC member, suggests that future ggressors need not take it too seriously.  Benkarnell 18:47, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

So what you're saying is I brought down an organization? Interesting...
 * Anyway, we all know who's going to win this. You've got Alpinians and Spaniards out for revenge, Greeks out for land, Tunisians out for independence, and everyone else because they're allied to the main defenders. I've designed a plan, one immediately after the war, the 2nd what the Greeks expect the peninsula to look like 10 years after.

Mr.Xeight 21:49, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Here it is.


 * Hurrah! I go away for Thanksgiving (yes, it's early in Canada) and I find a new war waiting when I get back! I'm glad someone took it upon themselves to continue this. In-universe, do you think that maybe Sicily was waiting for something to distract the ADC before they struck? Or was it just good timing? In Canada, since obviously less help will be given then the Canadians would like, this war could make the Canada First Party even more popular, maybe culminating in Canada leaving the ADC. --DarthEinstein 22:39, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * By the way, we should make a page for this war, like we did with the Saguenay war. --DarthEinstein 22:45, October 12, 2009 (UTC)