Talk:Axis vs Allies Revised (Map Game)/Archive 2

Roll Back
This roll back really sucks. Really, really sucks. Bobalugee1940 01:23, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. This only got rolled back because 3 of the mods that voted for rollback were USSR's allies and the USSR player went and cried like a little baby on Pitakang's talkpage.

Flamebait if not outright flame. And since only mods can decide that, and the game WAS getting implausible... Fed (talk) 02:58, September 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Indeed. It was getting outrageous and way too implausible. We don't want AvAr to end up like the last AvA. ChrisL123 03:03, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * I did not like the fact that the now deleated Urals SSR and Bashkoitia had surendered to them, and then was crushed any how. The UN would never stick for that!Oxfordshire 1972 03:13, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about what are you saying... Could you please try and explain better? Fed (talk) 03:15, September 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not shure my self about the 1 turn life of Urals SSR and Bashkoitia. Was it even canon or was it just me snorting cocaine that day?Oxfordshire 1972 13:33, September 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * While the mod team is open to constructive criticism, please note that we are not being biased in any way when we roll anything back. We want a fair game as much as you all do. CrimsonAssassin 03:53, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * It went too steampunk.82.18.194.62 06:24, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Soviet Union
Location: 5

Tactical advantage: 1

Strength: 25 (nukes, chem, pop, industry, foreign aid)

Motive: 10

Chance: 7

Alliances: 28 (Note: I am basing these off of the Diplo page, more the reason for you guys to update them)

Grand Total:
65

Finland
Location: 5

Tactical advantage: 2

Strength: 24 (nukes, chem + SUMA aid and UASR aid)

Motive: 10

Chance: 4

Alliances: 18

Grand Total
63

Result
Crushing Soviet victory, the Soviet Union pushes far into Finland, advancing hundreds of miles. The Finnish air force is disabled for 1 year. (Note: All those posts about destroying Soviet navy: not true unless you post algorithm)

FInland is a member of the Eurasian powers and china... Look at diplomacy page... and it has nukes and chemical weapons ~LX

You don't have an air force to employ me; the USSR also has nukes and chem weapons. Also, sign your posts. Fed (talk) 23:19, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

The only reason for that is that the air force was defeated using this inacurate algorithm, and I would have an air force to deploy them if you can make the changes I mentioned.LxCaucassus 23:46, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Still crushing USSR victory.. Fed (talk) 23:51, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

no its not its a SUMA victory. I am a member of the Eurasian powers, SUMA and China and yet it only shows that I have 2 allies, dont realy think tahts right and I fixed it.LxCaucassus 00:33, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

It showed you had NINE. 00:39, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry my mistake I counted the SUMA as a member in the Number of members and then added 3 for Sweeden, Norway and China. Either way its only a 2 pt victory and only because of Chance, not that crushing... and air force isnt disabled AT ALL.LxCaucassus 00:50, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

And USSR foreign aid from WHO?(agianst Finland, not china or germany or whatnot)LxCaucassus 00:58, September 28, 2011 (UTC

The Italians. The USA Azecreth 22:07, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

1951
Soviet Union ' 

Location: 5

Tactical advantage: 1

Strength: 25 (nukes, chem, pop, industry, Italian and US aid if I'm not wrong; at least Italian.)

Motive: 10

Chance: 1

Alliances: 28 (Note: I am basing these off of the Diplo page, more the reason for you guys to update them)

<span style="font-size: 9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A">Grand Total: '

<p style="margin-top: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 6pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">70 (67 without Caribbean).

<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A">Finland '<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white"> 

<p style="margin-top: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 6pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Location: 5

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Tactical advantage: 2

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Strength: 24 (nukes, chem + SUMA aid and UASR aid)

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Motive: 10

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Chance: 7

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Alliances: 18

<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size: 9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A">Grand Total '

<p style="margin-top: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 6pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">66

<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A">Result '<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white"> 

Soviet victory. Stalemate.

1951.6
Soviet union

<p style="margin-top: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 6pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Location: 5

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Tactical advantage: 1

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Strength: 25 (nukes, chem, pop, industry, Italian and US aid if I'm not wrong; at least Italian.)

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Motive: 10

Chance: 4

Alliances; 28

Grand total: 

73

Finland: 

<p style="margin-top: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 6pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Location: 5

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Tactical advantage: 1

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Strength: 25 (nukes, chem, pop, industry, Italian and US aid if I'm not wrong; at least Italian.)

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Motive: 10

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Chance: 10

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Alliances; 18

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Grand total:

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">69

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Result:

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Soviet victory. Soviet troops push into Finland and seize land in southern and central finland...

<h3 style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">1952

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Soviet Union

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Location: 5

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Tactical Advantage: 1

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Strength: 25

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Motive: 10

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Chance: 8

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Alliances: 28

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Total: 

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">77

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Finland

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Location: 5

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Tactical Advantage: 2

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Strength: 24

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Motive: 10

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Chance: 9

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Alliances: 18

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Total: 

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">68

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Result:

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Soviet Victory. Helsinki falls, along with most of Central and Western Finland.

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Ok...This time US and Italy didnt help. thats minimum -7 possibly -8 pts.

<h3 style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">1952.6 Soviet Union

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Location: 4

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Tactical Advantage: 1

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Strength: 23

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Motive: 10

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">Chance: 8

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">Alliances: 30

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">Grand total:

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">76

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">Finland

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Location: 5

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Tactical Advantage: 2

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Strength: 24

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Motive: 10

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">Chance: 6

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">Alliances: 18

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">Grand total:

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">65

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">Result:

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">Soviet Victory. Finland is annexed, Soviet troops make inroads into Sweden.

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">The location shouldnt be 5 in the USSR, it should be 4 or 3. And the USA and the Itlians are not aiding in finland...i dont see how this makes that much sense. that is -7 or possibly -8 points.

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">I moved it to 4. The Italians are still aiding me, since they can ship through the Dardanelles and then up to the USSR. I subtracted US aid. It's still a crushing victory for me

<h3 style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">1953.6

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white">Soviet Union <span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in;background:white">Location: 3 <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in;background:white">Tactical Advantage: 1 <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in;background:white">Strength: 22 <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in;background:white">Motive: 10 <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">Chance: 1

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">Alliances: 32

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white">Grand total: <span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">69

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in;background:white">Finland <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in;background:white">Location: 5 <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in;background:white">Tactical Advantage: 2 <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in;background:white">Strength: 27 <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in;background:white">Motive: 10 <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">Chance: 6

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">Alliances: 20

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white">Grand total: <span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">70

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white">Result: <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white"> USSR repuleses the NUMA counterattack. Very minor gains.

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Discussion: 

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Alliances should be 32, since I have Germany now. And would you care to tell me why my strength went down by 1? So technically, it should at least have been a stalemate. Actually, thinking about it, without the Ethiopia alliance in the EP, I should win, if only barely. Azecreth 13:49, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Actualy, FInland Has 10 Allies... look it up. And 19+3 is 22 not 23.LxCaucassus 20:59, October 3, 2011 (UTC <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">)

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt;">I count 8, 9 if we do decide to include Iceland. I still win. Azecreth 23:14, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

<h3 style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt;">1954

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white">Soviet Union <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in; background:white">Location: 3

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in; background:white">Tactical Advantage: 1

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in; background:white">Strength: 19[Italy no longer helping] <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in; background:white">Motive: 10

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white">Chance: 5 <span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white">Alliances: 32 <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white">Grand total: <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;background:white">70

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in;background:white">Finland <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in; background:white">Location: 5

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in; background:white">Tactical Advantage: 2

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in; background:white">Strength: 27

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in; background:white">Motive: 10

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white">Chance: 9 <span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white">Alliances: 22

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white">Grand total: <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">77

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white">Result: 

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">NUMA victory, Soviets repulsed from Denmark and Finland

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Okay. No. Greenland and the Faroes are PART of Denmark. They are not their own nations. And Denmark as been annexed so they cannot be an ally. Alliances should be 18. And Finland itself can no longer give you aid, since it got conquered. Your strength should be 24, I think. Your total should be 68. Oh, and that stuff about the air force doesn't need to be here.

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">They are nto part of Denmark but of te Danish realm. Its like Canada and Brittain. theyre like in personal union. Finland Can give aid... yes, finland can help, occupation does not mean destruction.

Soviet Union
Location: 5

Tactical Advantage: 2

Strength: 21

Motive: 10

Chance: 8

Alliances: 22

Grand Total
62

China
Location: 5

Tactical advantage: 1

Strength: 25

Motive: 5

Chance: 8

Alliances: 14

Grand Total:
57

Result
Crushing Soviet victory. Chinese troops are smashed; Chinese forces are expulsed from USSR territory; USSR forces make inroads into Uyguristan and Mongolia.

Discussion
... Um, could you tell us WHY did you decide to increase your strength so much, your motive increased as well as your alliances, AND you changed the location to 5, given the fact the fighting is in USSR ground right now? Fed (talk) 00:18, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

Soviet Union
Location: 3 (Naval battle only)

Tactical advantage: 2

Strength: 10

Motive: 10

Chance: 4

Alliances: 28

Grand Total:
57

UASR
Location: 3

Tactical advantage: 1

Strength: 9

Motive: 5

Chance: 6

Alliances: 20

Grand Total:
43

Result
Decisive Soviet victory, 1/4 of British navy destroyed, 1/8 of Soviet destroyed.

Soviet Union
Location: 10

Tactical advantage: 2

Strength: 2

Motive: 10

Chance: 1

Alliances: 28

Grand Total:
52

Japan
Location: 9

Tactical advantage: 1 (use of jet bombers and over-whelming force)

Strength: 7

Motive: 5

Chance: 7

Alliances: 30 (China, Hindustan, Thailand)

Result
Decisive Japanese victory, all soviet forces are crushed and the Kuril Islands, Sakhalin Island, and Kamchatka Peninsula are all taken. The Soviet military in the area is crushed. Japan takes moderate casualties.

No way you can take all that in 6 months. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 23:52, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Yes you can as there is nearly no soviets on Sakhalin or the Kurils, pus they are allrelly close to each other and the Japanese homeland. In the Kamchaka I lost over one thousand men (I was being generous) to (again) moderate to light Soviet armies. They have nearly nothing that far in the east while we do, so yes it is possible. Bobalugee1940 11:03, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

. Do you see all those mountains? A smaller Soviet force could hold you up for a while there, not to mention all the rain and snow. Thats why you can't take the entire thing.

Oh, and overwhelming force doesn't give you a tactical advantage. If it did, I woul;d have crushed Finland by now. Azecreth 13:44, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

Snow is rife even in the summer, wate a turn to conqure the local resistance fighters in moutains. Japanese may also get frost bite in the winter. / . Oxfordshire 1972 14:38, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

1951.6
Soviet Union:

Location: 3

Tactical Advantage: 1

Strength: 19 [Nukes, chemical weapons, population, industry]

Motive: 10

Chance: 1

Alliances: 28

Grand total: 

62

Japan:

Location: 4

Tactical Advantage: 2

Strength: 1

Motive: 5

Chance: 4

Alliances: 26

Grand total: 

42

Result: 

Crushing soviet victory. Japanese driven out of Kamchatka. Soviets land amphibiously on Sakhalin, and retake ove rhalf the island.

Soviet Union
Location: 5

Tactical advantage: -2

Strength: 20

Motive: 10

Chance: 3

Alliances: 28

Grand Total: 64

Hindustan
Location: 5

Tactical advantage: 5 (I still control most of Persia and this is for capturing lost territory)

Strength: 24

Motive: 10

Chance: 5

Alliances: 22

Grand Total:

71

Result
Decisisve Hindustani victory. All Persian land lost is retaken and big inroads are made into Soviet Kyzakistan. However, resistance fighters have not been fully crushed with a few pockets remaining.

Shirt pockets?86.24.28.2

United States
Location: 2

Tactical advantage: 1

Strength: 63 (3 nukes, 2 chem, 9 military alliances, 2 industry, 2 population)

Motive: 3 (Social/moral -3 for nukes)

Chance: 4

Alliances: 12 (Alliance with Great Britain cut)

Grand Total:
81

UASR
Location: 5

Tactical advantage: 6

Strength: 12

Motive: 12 (+2 use of nukes)

Chance: 8

Alliances: 12

Grand Total
55

Result:
Crushing American victory, US troops destroy most of Royal Navy, RAF, and take parts of the center of England.

US
Location: 3

Tactical advantage: 1

Strength: 38 (2 nukes, 1 chem)

Motive: 3

Chance: 6

Alliance: 12

Grand Total:
63

Great Britain
Location: 5

Tactical advantage: 6

Strength: 112 (10 nukes, feeling sorry for u already)

Motive: 12

Chance: 8

Alliances: 12

Grand Total
155

Result
British victory (to say the least). Most, if not all, of Britain is retaken and the British navy is engaged with the Americans.

United States
Location: 3

Tactical advantage: 1

Strength: 93

Motive: -3 (Use of nukes for 3 consecutive turns)

Chance: 2

Alliance: 12

Grand Total:
108

Finland
Location: 5

Tactical advantage: 2

Strength: 18

Motive: 12

Chance: 8

Alliance: 12

Grand Total:
57

Result
Crushing American victory, America seizes the northern half of Finland

Discussion
WTF strength 93??????????????????????????????????????????? Just becasue you are the USA doesnt mean you can put your strength on steroids.

8 nukes, my friend. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 01:31, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

2 can play at hat game.......... and did you just cause nuclear winter.... yes you did.....CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!LxCaucassus 01:32, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

First point, calm the hell down. Second point, 8 nukes will not cause a nuclear winter. Do some research. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 01:35, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Yes they will. and 8 H-bombs wich are roughly 14-20 MT of TNT and a nuclear winter is about 100 MT. Finland added some more nukes to the fun. I did my research. I was informed and these are no longer A-bombs they are H-bombs. Their yield is alot higher. So mabe scale down the nuking?LxCaucassus 01:45, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

I used 1 Hydro bomb, and 7 nuclear bombs. That is NOT 100 MT. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 01:43, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Ok...yous should clarify that and lots of H-bombs and nuclear bombs have been exploded this year. Its be burning cities that cause it anyway. there's a reason why nukes werent used EN-Masse in OTL... WE should have learned by now. At least 60 MT over CITIES! Thats enough to nuclear Winter. 100 MT anywhere is a nuclear winter. Truely sorry about that. We just have to work our way out of this I guess.LxCaucassus 02:26, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

You know, Pita, you could invade Norway, as they are in the war. Azecreth 13:39, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

United States
Location: 1

Tactical advantage: 1

Strength: 19

Motive: 6

Chance: 7

Alliance: 12

Grand Total:
46

British Malaysia
Location: 5

Tactical advantage: 6

Strength: 12

Motive: 10

Chance: 8

Alliances: 3 (Great Britain)

Grand Total:
44

Result
US victory, US takes eastern island, blockade is set up of rest of Malaysia. (Note: If you guys are wondering how I seized so much with only a 2 point difference, it was the sheer numerical superiority- the British didn’t garrison Malaysia very well, it wasn’t very well equipped, and the Brits are in a little trouble right now )

Nukes again... *sigh*
Guys, you can't be that implausible with nukes. Please. Why do you think there were only 2 nuclear strikes in OTL in war? I propose a rollback to last year. ._. Fed (talk) 02:42, September 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * :-013:09, September 29, 2011 (UTC)82.18.203.123 13:10, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Well there are some nations less... loose with their nuclear arsenal. CrimsonAssassin 02:57, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Let them loose via nulcliar winter and deleat there nation as was Germany and the Trucial states after conquest. kick them off.Oxfordshire 1972 03:58, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

I propose a rollback. Scandinator

I agree, if our attacks were rolled back, so should theirs. The US can bomb the UASR but cannot invade them, no way. Logistics would be a bitch and British submerines would be pretty useful at downing most of the American fleet and the UASR does have the best fleet in the world and would use their own nuclear bombs. Imperium Guy 09:37, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

MT cut to KT, nukes shrunk.213.81.113.254 11:32, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

I struck out most of the targets and reduced the yeald to make it plausable.Oxfordshire 1972 11:49, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with the rollback idea. I think Lx just got angry that he was losing, and did an implausible nuke. Then it just got out of hand. Azecreth 13:45, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Deleate the posts concerning the nucliar war but keep ones like Venezuela's Hungsarian raid, the Yugoslavs in the Bahamas, Thai F-1 team, Japan in Russia after 1950.Oxfordshire 1972 14:49, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

@Imperium Guy: Well, not really, because the US did have the largest sub fleet in the world, as well as the largest navy, although not as well trained as the Royal Navy. However, the USAAF could probably match the RAF, as that the USAAF have much greater numbers, as well as greater tech. And British subs back then were, while not drastically inferior to the American subs, were less developed, and in less numbers. As for the logistics, not really, because then how did America carry out Normandy? PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 23:08, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

With the help of the British (Normandy). The Royal Navy would match the US Navy and we kinda nuckec your fleet.

Also see
Axis vs Allies Revised national flags

United States
Location: 3

Tactical advantage: 1

Strength: 10

Motive: 3

Chance:1

Alliance: 12

Grand Total:

30

UASR
Location: 5

Tactical advantage: 6

Strength: 32 (2 nukes)

Motive: 10

Chance: 7

Alliances: 12

Grand Total
78

Result
Repulsing British Victory. All British land recaptured. Huge cleanup operations begin and fit tropps are sent to counter-attack in Africa (Ethiopia, you are as good as a gonner).

Discussion
Oh, come on, there's no way the British could beat the United States 78 to 30. ChrisL123 18:21, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

Well, after constantly nucking them after they nucked us, their bad, we actually can and they are engaged somewhere else.

Ethiopia
Location: 5

Tactical advantage: 1

Strength: 0

Motive: 5

Chance: 2

Alliance: 2

Grand Total: 15

UASR
Location: 3

Tactical advantage: 2

Strength: 32 (2 nukes)

Motive: 7

Chance: 8

Alliances: 12

Grand Total:
64

Result:
Decisive British victory. Aden is recaptured and big gains are made in mainland Ethiopia.

Discussion

 * I'm confused. Isn't Ethiopia a member of the Eurasian Powers? So why are you two at war?
 * Don't tell me, they attacked us.
 * Ethiopia and Sudan was given 2 Panzer II tanks and a MiG 15 comparable fighter by Venezuela in 1953.82.14.49.185
 * And that turns the tables??

1953.6
Soviet Union

Location: 3

Tactical Advantage: -2

Strength: 17

Motive: 10

Chance: 2

Alliances: 32

Total

62

China

Location: 4

Tactical Advantage: 5

Strength: 17

Motive: 5

Chance: 0

Alliances: 20

Total

52

Result

Soviet Victory, Chinese forces are driven out of the USSR, and are pushed into the deserts of Northern China. Parts of Mongolia are liberated, along with Tannu Tuva

Discussion

 * War is over guys. [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imperium Guy 20:57, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

UASR/Hindustan
Location: 3

Tactical Advantage: 1

Strength: 28

Motive: 6

Chance: 8

Alliances: 18

Grand Total: 64

USA
Location: 1

Tactical Advantage: 6

Strength: 19

Motive: 5

Chance: 6

Alliances: 12

Grand Total: 49

Result
Decisive Coalition victory. Most of the Phillipines is captured and is given to Japan. Malaysia is also liberated from the Americans.

Absence
I have to leave temporary the game for study Problems, I guess I will return Within a week the Map Game. Greetings :D! (Jaeden Cuenta Cuentos 18:26, October 3, 2011 (UTC)).

I will look after Spain an stop it being harmed in your absence.Oxfordshire 1972 18:50, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

United States
Location: 3

Tactical advantage: 1

Strength: 19

Motive: 6

Chance: 8

Alliances: 12

Grand Total:
49

UASR Gambia
Location: 3

Tactical advantage: 2

Strength: 12

Motive: 5

Chance: 6

Alliances: 16

Grand Total:
44

Result
Close American victory, American troops occupy Gambia

United States:
Location: 4

Tactical advantage: 1

Strength: 14 (2 chem)

Chance: 4

Alliances: 12

Grand Total:
35

Japan
Location: 1

Tactical advantage: 2

Strength: 3

Chance: 7

Alliances: 10

Grand Total:
23

Result
Decisive American victory, the rest of Mexico is taken by the Americans.

Discussion
Niemożliwe! This is total BS! The alliaces should be lower for the Americans but what major allies do they have, and the Alliances for Japan should be higher because of its alliances with the Thai, Hindu, Chinese, British, Tongan, and Okinawan. The Japanese also recently sent troops over there as well as the Hindus thus we should not only out-number the Americans but we've also been in more warfare and are better fighters. Bobalugee1940 11:02, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

America has the USSR, the French, the Italians, and the Argentinians, as far as I know. That's because they are a member of the Global Alliance for Democracy.Azecreth 14:09, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

1954
Soviet Union

Location: 3

Tactical Advantage: -2

Strength: 19

Motive: 10

Chance: 7

Alliances: 32

Total

69

UASR

Location: 2

Tactical advantage: 5

Strength: 15 [If Hindustan is helping, I will fix, but I assumed we were at peace]

Motive: 10

Chance: 6

Alliances: 12

Total

50

Result

Crushing Soviet victory. Troops roll into Iraq. Northern Iraq falls, Baghdad falls.

Discussion

1954.6
Soviet Union

Location: 3

Tactical Advantage: -2

Strength: 19

Motive: 10

Chance: 9

Alliances: 32

Total

71

UASR

Location: 2

Tactical advantage: 5

Strength: 15

Motive: 10

Chance: 2

Alliances: 12

Total

46

Result

Soviet victory. The rest of Iraq falls.

Discussion

Austria
Is it ok to do stuff like post these kind of election results and things, you know propoganda? Kunarian 20:11, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know.Oxfordshire 1972 00:24, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Sick leave
I will be only posting a minor post for Venezuela each day and not doing the maps due to ill health.Oxfordshire 1972 18:16, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Kick LxCaucassus
I motion that LxCaucassus be kicked from the game. Posted by Azecreth

Reasoning: Minor Godmodding, continued implausibility.

Justification:

1. He has been playing Scandinvaia as 1 nation, which is impossible. Scandinavian unionism is dead, and has been since the 1880's. They would never become 1 nation again, no matter how afraid of the USSR they are.

2. Apparently Scandinavia has greater technological resources than the USA, since they both started an H-Bomb project in the same year, and he got the bomb first, despite him being at war with me. Einstien contributed almost nothing to the Manhattan Project in OTL, besides E=MC2, and there are no really good nuclear scientists in Finland to help them make a bomb first.

3. Apparently Scandinavia combined has more resoources than Nazi Germany in OTl, since we have been at war for almost 5 years and Finland still hasn't fallen. The Germans only lasted 4 years, and that was with a surprise attack, better trained soldiers, qualitively superior tanks, and almost winning the war. But they still lost. Some will probably claim that Germany was fighting a two front war, but the second front didn't really become a drain on resources until the Italy landings, and D-Day. By that point, there was no saving Nazi Germany.

Should LxCaucassus be removed from the game? 1. Yes 2. No

Well, I think that we should give him one more chance, and he’s not really an “implausogasm” person like Rebelsoldier, he just has very. . . pro Scandinavian and Slavic ideals. I think that if he does do more, we could ban him for a couple turns- kicking people off map games is, I believe, only to the most extreme of measures. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 22:06, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Theres no point in banning me i already leftLxCaucassus 22:16, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

UASR
<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;">Location: 3

Tactical Advantage: -2

Strength: 15

Motive: 10

Chance: 3

Alliances: 12

Total

41

Ethiopia
Location: 5

Tactical advantage: 5

Strength: 0

Motive: 5

Chance: 8

Alliances: 2

Total

25

Result
Decisive British victory. All of Aden, using superiority of no.s and better training, is recaptured.

1957
Soviet Union

Location: 3

Tactical advantage: 1

Strength: 18 [+10 nukes, +5 chemical weapons, +3 Polish aid]

Motive: 5

Chance: 6

Alliances: 30

Total

63

Austria/UASR

Location: 4

Tactical Advantage: 2

Strength: 24 [+10 nukes, +5 chemical weapons, +3 UASR aid, +3 Germany, +3 Yugoslavia]

Motive: 10

Chance: 8

Alliances: 18

Total

66

Result

Slight Austrian Victory. pushes soviets to borders of Germany.

Discussion

1958
Soviet Union

Location: 3

Tactical advantage: 1

Strength: 18 [+10 nukes, +5 chemical weapons, +3 Polish aid, +3 Cuban aid]

Motive: 5

Chance: 1

Alliances: 30

Total

61

Austria/UASR

Location: 4

Tactical Advantage: 2

Strength: 24 [+10 nukes, +5 chemical weapons, +3 UASR aid, +3 Germany, +3 Yugoslavia]

Motive: 10

Chance: 5

Alliances: 18

Total

63

Result

Slight Austrian Victory.

Discussion

The USSR has no player.
Since Azereth left, I will run the USSR and Tanu Tuva defesivly and try to save what I can for his return or the USSR going neautral grey in 7 turns time. A honerable peace deal is my Idea.Oxfordshire 1972 01:13, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

I'll take control of the USSR permanately if he doesn't return within a week. CrimsonAssassin 01:23, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

I have given an honerable peace, accept German, Austrian and Bulgarian Territorial demands and all is good. The other demands of Russia will then be agreed with. Kunarian 06:51, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

The USSR agrees to the peace treaty with Austria.Oxfordshire 1972 16:45, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Pax Khruscheve?
Peace in our time? Oxfordshire 1972 04:01, October 12, 2011 (UTC)



No, the map that Austria said it will go no less than territory wise is the limit, change whatever territories Germany, Austria and Bulgaria do not have a claim to however nothing else shall be changed. the territory of German and Austria and Bulgaria will be given to them. Kunarian 06:36, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

{C} The new map is accpeted, Austria has the diplomatic upper hand.Oxfordshire 1972

PitaKang
He has just postes saying he has retiered due to doing his 8th grade. I will run a 1 week potectorate on the USA and then give it to another user or it gose neautal Grey.Oxfordshire 1972 01:08, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

Members
All members, please post your moves, it makes the turns interesting!! :D Imperium Guy 19:23, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

Leaving
I'm sorry, guys, but I've really lost interest in this game. I found it's developed to a very much original AvA-like implausibility and I've lost interest. Bye. Fed (talk) 03:18, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

He did not poast much and just wanted to chide Hindustan every time it went near Somalia, he wont be missed.82.18.192.40 04:22, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

I do pay attention to replies on talk pages, you know.

I posted much before this became a quagmire of implausibility, which of if you were a member of this game you were probably part of.

Hindustan was attacking Italy's sovereign territory by "going near Somalia". Fed (talk) 04:25, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

A space shuttel in 1958 was daft, Hindustan was hyper-develping too much.82.18.192.40 04:28, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

You've turned this into a "who gets what" contest again; Hindustan, extremely implausible in the first place, became more of a superpower, Venezuela turned half of the world into its protectorates; How isn't that a quagmire of implausibility?! Fed (talk) 04:36, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

The nuckes were mad.Oxfordshire 1972 05:07, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I agree with that. If anything, it would be the great powers (GB, China, USSR or France) that would control Venezuela's current protectorates. ChrisL123 04:44, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * I did it as a servival tactitc. Personaly the M.R., Gayana Esqible and Ruthenia were only on my list. I was going to subert Peru like Panama and Nicaragua, but Hindustan began conquring my continent (Equador and Peru). I gave Portugal back Gunie and would not mide giving up Poland. I was thinking only of stopping Austria, Hindustan and the USSR taking over the world. I was going to do an election, where Poland realings with the USSR. I stuck my nose in to the Antrctica, but said I would leave below -). south since it's not been developed (it's to cold). I've surrendered Ruthenia to Austria. Turkey was ging to be crushed by Hinduastan, so I took over the rest. Elections were planned and gray status like Bohemia. Sudan is secduled for an election. The rest is stays my land.Oxfordshire 1972 04:55, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * I get it; Implausibility to stop implausibility has sense, but often kills map games. The fact a Hindustani state actually exists, was created out of nowhere and has the best army in the world killed the plausibility in this game. Besides the fact their invasions have no sense at all. Fed (talk) 05:07, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree Fred, you 100% right on Hindustan! The Cuba-USA-Venezuela-Mexico war was a bizar land grab, but was better since it did not say conqure the USSR in a year, ect.I wuld like to have the game go on to prove I'm honest. The threat has passed and I want to prove to the Poles (with an election), D.R. Ismir (with an election) and Venezuela I'm not the new Napolion!Oxfordshire 1972 05:11, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree over mass techo-stuff.82.18.192.40 05:44, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Even I read talkpages, so what should I do, change all my shuttles to small craft. Me having a good army is because of me managing my resources. Real India's government is too currupt. There is no reason that Hindustan cannot match up with China or any other power with proper governece. I have already told Venezuala, I am willing to give my South American territory to him and ship my troops back to Hindustan. [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imperium Guy 09:55, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * I was also not "created out of nowhere", I had diplomatic talks with GB and only then did I become indepedent. The EASA has over 9 members, 3, maybe 4, of them are superpowers!! Therefore a shuttle could be build. So what do you want e to do?? Change the shuttle things into capsules or something?? [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imperium Guy 10:02, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * India was "the jewel of the British imperial crown". DeanSims was implausible in that, imperialising without a casus belli just like you did later, and reforming the UK into a republic without any sense (ahem). The UK was acting completely out of place in this map game. Fed (talk) 21:36, October 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Wait, 10 members, another superpower (America in) in the EASA!! [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imperium Guy 10:04, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Fed, you were a mod, if you had just simply posted it was hyper-development, I would have changed it into something else you know. There has been no mod post in like ages. [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imperium Guy 10:20, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't mind the hyper-dovelopment, since it's rather intresting and the Mods never questionede it unitll it was too well establishrd to remove due to canon (unlike the nukes in Europe). Go ahead, It's fun to see what can happen.Oxfordshire 1972 15:14, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

Infliltration of the USSR, killing leaders - 1959.6
Communist leaders all killed by UASR, well all remining leader killed. New constitutional monarchy implaced, with Tsar at the helm.


 * And this is actually possible with 4 or 5 superpowers in the 10 country team putting all of their resources to the EASA. There is no major problem there!! :D [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imperium Guy 15:17, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey werent their leadership supposed to be killed already(by Nukes)? and I want to be USSR! Petrograd New Capital! I shal not be a puppet to Brittain. Slavic Power! and Space power!LxCaucassus 23:28, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Space Shuttles in 1960? Implausible much?
Ok, I come back after leaving in about 1955 and what do I see? in the space of 5 YEARS we go from the V-2 Rocket to Space shuttles? Huperdevelopement! and A hindustan that large and being in charge of SPACE MISSIONS, and a shuttle BEFORE the Saurn V rocket and a Saturn V rocket before Voshod, and Soyuz, and Jemeni and Murcury? thats 5 years, In OTL it took 30 years to get from the V-2 to the Shuttle, here it takes 5? next thing I know we'll all have the internet by 1965! How can somebody launch a man into space without launching anything else into orbit first? its Implausible to the max! scale down the space tech... It's JUST 1960!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats 5 YEARS form V-2 to Discovery? WTF???????LxCaucassus 23:51, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Imperium and his allies, however, will just say "it's plausible with 5 superpowerz! :D" and do nothing about it. And yes, Imp, Hindustan and its imperialism have no sense whatsoever. Oh, and by the way, nobody wanted the monarchy in Russia to your constitutional puppet. Fed (talk) 00:20, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Its not, you have to have an evolution of technology, the shuttle was only made to replace the regular rockets as a more cost efficient way because of their multiple uses. it doesnt make sense that the shuttles were invented first!LxCaucassus 00:34, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

TOO IMPLAUSIBLE!
I thought I could batten down the hatches against the implausibility, but it's just too much. The only thing that would save this game would be a massive rollback of the ENTIRE game. That or a nuclear war (tried starting one, didn't happen). CrimsonAssassin 00:17, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Reset the Entire Game? 1. Yes 2. No 3. No, but have a nuclear war!!! (Be serious about this decision please)

I have multiple issues with resenting an entire game, just look at what happened to the Imperialist America game: 15 years of gameplay(half the game at the time) got reset and guess what? It died a swift and painless death as all(and I mean ALL) just stopped editing the day after it was reset. Dont want this to happen here, just reseting of space tech stuff.LxCaucassus 01:08, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

It's too late for that I'm afraid. Maybe once (if, actually) we get to the current date and end the game, you could start an "Axis vs Allies 3". ChrisL123 01:15, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

I would like it to go on a year so I could hold my Polish elction and the you can end it all.Oxfordshire 1972 01:30, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

And if we have a AvA3 we could actualy have Rules about when space tech is discovered and how nukes are used instead of "I nuke you with no effects :P". no limitations = what happened in AvA original and AvAr. I realy would not like to do half years untill 1960 again, seriously. Two months of things down the drain.LxCaucassus 01:35, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Austria, the UK, Hindustan and the USSR just run amock and captured hole European naions in 1 or 2 turns with a poor, defective, bias or even non exsistant algerithom.Oxfordshire 1972 02:48, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

In future scrap the nukes, it was horrific and I dont want a new 1947-55 USSR-Numa war.Oxfordshire 1972 01:48, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

The Austro-Italian war is a intresting militery event.Oxfordshire 1972 01:48, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

New games
Scrap the AvAr or have a small number of invited users only. I'm thinking of a invitation only game set in the Yugoslav civil war eral Lauch circa the new year. Yugoslavia's states, Albania, Romania and Hungary.Oxfordshire 1972 01:44, October 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Agreed. AvA and this map game were both ruined due to godmoddy and implausible users. Fed (talk) 02:06, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Im thinking abouthaving a game set starting in the 1770s where Russian Empress Elizabeth lives another 2 months to see Russian Army capture berlin and have Prussia serender in the 7 years war to Russia. Prussia be annexed, and granted freedom under Peter III, then have the army get mad at him for that then reannex a bunch of lands under Catherine II or something. Called Russian Prussia.LxCaucassus 01:54, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

I vote one based on revolutions like the American revolution. CrimsonAssassin 03:06, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

ASB
Let's tag it as a ASB tomorrow (jokely)!?Oxfordshire 1972 02:47, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Stop blaming it on me!!!
Just stop blaming it on me!! Has there been a mod post in ages, NO!!!! If at least someone posted (yes you know who you are) about that was hyperdevelopment, I would have changed it!! What do I need to change, I am asking!! Imperium Guy 10:37, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

He's right, the mods were to weak, realy posted for there nation and did not keep a lid on the game.86.29.78.96 12:54, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Just went round degrading my tech from shuttles to capsules!! Hope your happy!! Imperium Guy 10:40, October 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * The hyperdevelopment was what made most of them leave, and I figured it was pointless and this game was going to end shortly with the little amount of interest because of the original implausibility. ChrisL123 19:16, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

News just in!
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;">Kunarian got himself blocked for a week over a post on the N.O.E. game, attack fascist Austria whilst you have the chance! Eliminate the Reich! Oxfordshire 1972 13:56, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;">Italy has dug in!.Oxfordshire 1972 01:15, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;">He might have had a fuhrer, but he had a democratic government under him (even the Nazis won the election in Germany to come to power). We should not attack Austria. Atleast they have some some of Democracy over the USSR. Imperium Guy 14:57, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;">A short block could have given me the upperhand, but a long block has ruined the fight. I will not go beond the Tyrol (as planned) if the status quo holds in Europe.Oxfordshire 1972 03:49, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Atomic warfare rules
Nucliar warfare must be regulated as follows-
 * 1) Don't atack civilian targets like cities.
 * 2) Don't gloat over the deaths.
 * 3) Don't use them as a way of "conquring the Sovet Union in a year" or any other form of 'hyper-conquest' as Azcereth put it.
 * 4) A nuke site can not be entered in to unless 1 year of decontamination work is passed trough or 2 years of natural atomic decay has happened.

{C}Oxfordshire 1972 13:00, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

New Geneva Conference rules guys, better follow them!! Imperium Guy 14:58, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Can somebody please mention where we are in terms of space tech?
Ok, I still haven't understood where we are in terms of space technology, can somebody please tell me where we are in terms of space technology. thanksLxCaucassus 21:30, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

We were meant to be at capsule tech, planning a moon landing 1963-1968. The ISS is actually skylab. Also, what just happened in the years 1963-1964, I don't get a bit. Imperium Guy 22:15, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Soviets made first spacewalk and put first woman into space(and forst woman to spacewalk)... also they exploded the tsar bomba and mapped the far side of the moon.LxCaucassus 22:57, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Roll back or is the game dead?
Okay, i just want to check see if this games is really at the end or if we are rolling the the game back before the Itilian-Austrian War. Draycos 03:03, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

I have left and I thik it's dead.Oxfordshire 1972 03:15, October 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * While a rollback would be a beautiful thought, I'm afraid this game is done for. Way to many people have left and the only way to revive it is to make an Axis vs Allies 3. ChrisL123 03:25, October 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * I would say the game is dead. [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imperium Guy 21:27, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

URA
Just to let you know, I joined the game as URA. Is there anything my country has to know before I play?

RandomWriterGuy 22:34, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

{C}look through the history and archives. Have fun, think war and economics. Usual rules of map games apply. 86.29.69.146 (AKA-Billy) 15:55, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

The URA would probably be able to squash the whole of Japanese Mexico, not just 1 base. America and Venezuela were very developed and merged in to a superpower. Japan had apparently neglected it's American holdings in Mexico in favor a war to annex Malaya. 86.29.69.146 (AKA-Billy) 15:55, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

*sniff sniff*
What happened to my beautiful map game? PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 00:17, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

It became a livning corpse with 2 new and only 2 players on it.82.2.67.132 01:39, November 3, 2011 (UTC)(AKA Billy)

It became an implausibilityfest. Fed (talk) 17:15, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Not quite, none of the mods did any real posts to stop any kind of stuff. This game survived the Soviet War rollback, probably have been able to continue if people (mods) told about the implausibity :( Imperium Guy 17:45, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Well, with you leaving, everybody else started leaving and new countries are about to open up. Imperium Guy 17:51, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, seriously, stop blaming the mods. It became an implausibilityfest, no matter whether we the mods did call for a rollback or not. Fed (talk) 21:34, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

I am not completely blaming it on mods. I do say I did write implausible things but when I removed them, none beared with me. :( Imperium Guy 21:40, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

It becam implausable, but no one told Oxfordshire 1972 to stop being the world's police man, Imperim guy's Hindustan from biulding space shuttels, Ascereth to stop the USSR from winning was EVERY time or the British and SUMA from going nuke happy.82.11.111.29 01:26, November 4, 2011 (UTC) AKA Billy.

I know about Oxfordshire 1972, I was him, but I got viroused twice and became a IP and later went on Hitler's World and returned here. I think the accout was haked and I only use it for the odd AVAr map. I will crerate a subsitute when I launch my new game in January 2012. Also how did LXCucuses get a virose in the middel of a war with the USSR, which was when I was firstt viroused and then hacked. 82.11.111.29 01:32, November 4, 2011 (UTC) (AKA Billy).

Most nations were neglected for so long after the mass desertion they would go grey by standard rules, so let's start anew and gray all but URA, France, Japan, Thiland and Hindustan. I'm after Francaphone Quebeck and the liberation of Italy, the USA (now part of the URA) was cheeted out of Oregon and the rest of Canada can go grey. I would like my long turm ally, Yugoslavia, looked after, so I'm thinking of assimilating them with trade deals over the next few turns. Fancy a new grey emper in southern Africa or Siberia, I do. I'm creating them later today. 82.11.111.29 01:41, November 4, 2011 (UTC)]] (AKA Billy).

If players want to rejoin, they can easily take their country and try to retake their colonies. It is still possible to get players to return. The game is not dead. Even a few players playing make the game alive.

This is an urge, rejoin guys!! I will fight tooth and nail to keep this game going!! Don't create a grey in Siberia, but I'll write about the other grey in South Africa Imperium Guy 16:19, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Mongolian re-jig compleated, over and out. 20:57, November 4, 2011 (UTC) (AKA billy)

Don't have Tibet and all those countries different from China, they were not rebelling so it is pointless having them seperate. Everthing else however is brilliant!! :D Imperium Guy 21:01, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

the game is less 'crickely' now Asercareth has left.82.11.86.136(AKA Billy)

We are back on the list of most users thing again guys, well done!! :D Imperium Guy 14:46, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Hacked game?
Some one keeps on erasing Yemen's poast and the following frech one, yet there is no edit record of it.?82.11.86.136 AKA Billy).15:46, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

It could be a Wikia maintenance bug. Did this happen once, or it keeps happening? Doctor261 15:48, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Repeatedly, Its like a unknow own persona is couteracting Yeman, France and some of Thiland's poast as of rote.82.11.86.136 15:51, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

page restored.82.11.86.136 15:57, November 5, 2011 (UTC)(AKA Billy)

URA/France
Location: 5

Tactical advantage: -2

Strength: 33

Motive: 15

Chance: 10

Alliances: 14

Grand Total: 75

Japan/Hindustan
Location: 2

Tactical advantage: 5

Strength: 27

Motive: 10

Chance: 4

Alliances: 18

Grand Total: 66

Result
Decisive American victory. Japanese Mexico is mostly retaken with only Baja California remaining.

Discussion
--RandomWriterGuy 15:08, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry for deleting everything. Because France is on my side, the new results are unknown. --RandomWriterGuy 15:08, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * It was a good step, more accurate results!! :D [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imperium Guy 21:30, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hold on. France is already in my side. shouldn't I get the advantage now?

He's got it, I was his alie in the battel agaist Japan!86.24.8.87 15:26, November 7, 2011 (UTC)AKA Billy

I have had enough! I have used nuclear weapons in the battle already. I should get the advantage immediately. RandomWriterGuy 01:24, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

I also used a Pluton rocket a round erlyer. He has a major French army corps on his side to.82.11.108.217 02:04, November 8, 2011 (UTC)AKA Billy

I am still in alliance with the URA and Hindustan, so my atacks are only on Japanes troops, not Hindustanies unless provoked.82.11.108.217 (AkA Billy) 02:12, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

The motive of the war is life or death and I am using a nuclear arsenal, so I increased my score by 20. RandomWriterGuy 03:03, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

France just let a nuke off on a groop of Japanese ships too.86.24.9.226 15:14, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

War Algorithm
Here it is, online.

Location
Location is how close the nation is to the place of the conflict:

At the war: 5

Next to the war: 4

Close to the war: 3

Far from the war: 2

Halfway around the world: 1

Tactical Advantage
Attacker’s advantage: 1

Defender’s advantage: 2

Home is desert: Defenders +3, attackers -3

Island: 4

Strength
Every nation militarily helping with belligerents/defenders: 3

Side with greater population: 2

Side with greater industry: 2

Nuclear Arsenal: 10

Motive
Life or death (country’s sovereign existence is threatened): 10

Religious: 7

Social/moral: 6

Political: 5

Economical: 3

Chance
Random.org

Alliances
Every ally: 2

Discussion
About the allies. Are you saying that if some nation has Andorra, and Kenya as allies that they'll have the same amount of ally points as the USSR, and the USA as allies? Makes no sense.

Bobalugee1940 03:27, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

I not sure, Pita invented this algorithym. If you look at the first 100,000 bytes, the argorithym is there as well. :D Imperium Guy 15:39, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Hindustan

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage: -2
 * Strength: 114
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance:
 * Allies: 18
 * Result:

URA

 * Location: 2
 * Tactical Advantage: 5
 * Strength: 23
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance
 * Allies: 14

History of Soviet Union
Can someone please give me more details on Soviet Union's past, the main events, please? Doctor261 17:41, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

I'll let you know soon.86.29.76.198 18:15, November 6, 2011 (UTC) AKA Billy

The basic history of the ATL USSR is as follows-  86.29.76.198 02:55, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Peace up until 1937
 * 2) Crushed the Baltic nation's invasion of 1937
 * 3) Invaded Poland and had a small conflict with Finland in 1938 or 1939
 * 4) A minor war with Hindustan China and Japan in the early 1940's
 * 5) Crushed Poland, Slovakia, Germany and Hungary in the mid 1940's
 * 6) A nuclear war with Finland from 1947 to 1952.Leningrad and several Scandinavian and Karelinan towns were nuked.
 * 7) Enslaved Scandinavia and annexed Kurdistan in the early 1950's
 * 8) Romania was partitioned after a civil war in the early 1950's.
 * 9) Crushed in Germany by Austria in the late1950's
 * 10) Oil was sucsefuly drilled for in Azerbijan in the late 1930's and in both Kraznordar and the Kuban in the late 1950's.
 * 11) Collapsed, the T'zar returned, Khrushchev brought in reforms and was liquidated by the British, the communists won an election and rebuilding took centre stage under a continuing communist state run by Chenyenko between 1958 and 1966.
 * 12) The Soviets are fairly OTL on space travel and weapons tech.

Picture in Diplomacy Page
Can someone update the picture in the diplomacy page?

RandomWriterGuy 00:04, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Done86.29.76.198 02:59, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Battle of Hawaii
I have officially declared war against the Japanese in Hawaii and thanks to nuclear warheads, I have driven them out. France, help me participate in this war to invade Japan. RandomWriterGuy 02:25, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

French responce: Yes, the 40,000 French troops and 4 Pluton missiles in México are made available to any planed URA liberation planed for Hawaii.02:36, November 9, 2011 (UTC)AKA BillY

Map
Okay. Who was the last to edit the map? Who resized it? It's now 2-3 times smaller than it was before. Please change to the previous resolution. Doctor261 04:51, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Laptop Zombie reduced it, but Oxfordshire enlarged it.86.24.9.226 05:00, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Reversal
To bob, should we roolback the game around 5 years? Imperium Guy 12:52, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

I would cut the nuked Middel East stuff. Ascareth did that to a ealyer nucliar war after it was raised that it was unfair to cut Argentina's aviation plans and a Thai F-1 championship as well.I scrached the nuked middel east rant. The UN mandate must not end and thsi proves why!82.14.61.213 13:05, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Instead of reverting, we could just delete the unneccessary lines. Doctor261 13:08, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

The area labelled "UN Protectorate" was rightfully mine. I don't know who named it a UN protectorade. Of course the URA territory in the middle east was not mine. I agree with deleting the part about all the war things!! :D Imperium Guy 17:02, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

What about me? It's not fair Hindustan gets the most! Why can't I have the Arabian part and Hindustan the Iranian part? RandomWriterGuy 23:11, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

It was first refered to as such circa 1960, but why I don't know.86.25.51.95 20:06, November 10, 2011 (UTC)AKA Billy

The UN Middel Eastern madate is desilsoved outsid Jordan and Israel. Hindustan gets most, but the URA gets the quatar peninsular. 20:19, November 10, 2011 (UTC)AKA Billy.

Hindustan/URA Peace Talks
Both the URA and Hindustan are going to far about what they are doing. I suggest negotiation do that our disputes be solved.

RandomWriterGuy 23:12, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Samers. I think all the nuclear war and invasion of the middle east should be reversed. All the grand prix building and other stuf should be kept. Hows that (no radiated zones in America!!) :D Imperium Guy 23:17, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

I also want to say that the UN Protectorate in the Middle East should be its own nation. Arguing about it really caused a lot of disputes and problems and major nuclear implausibility.

For my war with the Japanese, just please stay out of it. I promise that even if I do destroy the country, I will not harm you.

Everything else is good, but the radiated zones in America are not rid of since some of them come from Japan. And what did you mean by "the grand prix building "?

RandomWriterGuy 23:23, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

The "the grand prix building " was in reference to a early deleted war from the 1930's and the "Argentine aircraft projects" refer to an earlyer deleted war in in the 1960's. 82.18.194.62 02:07, November 11, 2011 (UTC)AKA Billy

Let's premote Zionisum in Israel and/or sort out Ba'athist Iraq. We need to fix devided Saudi Arabia to.82.18.194.62 02:44, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Talk Page Link
I have created the official link for the tlak page in the main page since I'm too lazy to type those words down and search for it. :/

RandomWriterGuy 01:11, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

URA/Hindustani Peace
I agree to declare Hindustan the controller of the UN Mandate in the Middle East. However, the Palestinian and Jordan regions will become a UN Mandate. Also, URA oil companmies can have no red tape in operating their oil fields. Also, I want to try to reestablish relations in all sectors.

RandomWriterGuy 05:33, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Treaty of Tokyo
The Treaty of Tokyo between the URA and the Japanese is officially established. It has several statements: RandomWriterGuy 17:07, November 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese Mexico will officially be a apart of the URA.
 * 2) The blockade of Hawaii will be broken.
 * 3) Both countires will be resonsible for their own damages.
 * 4) The URA will officially accept responsibility for the war, even though it has won it.
 * 5) The Japanese will not intefere in URA affairs.

New player.
Alexanders(Talk | contribs) has now joined in.86.26.77.51 06:22, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Look how far you have went, Billy. Now you make all these "Country Joinings" for your own good. Shame on you, my little friend. Doctor261 12:38, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Cry inplausable when loseing, but not when winning. I chariterises the ways of the 'toaf', 'cutical', cheat and 'Shffeald fanheater'!14:18, November 27, 2011 (UTC) Kline.?

Yep, it is so.213.232.79.131 13:14, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

Crap
Now some one took both Russia and Thailand. This is against the rules.He's Laptop Zombie, he's right here next to you! Send mails to him through his mailbox, and being an admin, here is what he did at this wiki. 04:15, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

New Flag please.
I would Like Egypt's changed, so it also has the Blue triangel/yelow star of Sudan's flag on it.213.232.79.131 13:14, December 3, 2011 (UTC)



Done.Oxfordshire 1972 14:43, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

Cool! :-) 213.232.79.131 10:19, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

Awsum!82.27.28.239 11:23, December 5, 2011 (UTC)