Talk:Municipal States of the Pacific (1983: Doomsday)

Flag
Anyone got ideas for what the flag should be for the MSP? Mitro 21:35, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

This is probably not very original, but how about the US flag, only with a new number of stars representing each city state?--ShutUpNavi 03:59, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Maybe, is there any other flag that may be notable for the region that can be used instead? Mitro 15:51, 18 April 2009 (UTC)


 * There's the "Cascadia flag" with a Douglas fir, but that's almost become an Althistory cliche whenever there is an independent country in the Pacific Northwest. Benkarnell 18:42, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * To true. Still maybe we could combine aspects of the Cascadia flag with the old US flag? Mitro 05:21, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Here is an idea for the flag, I used parts of the US flag and another Cascadia flag I found. Mitro 20:06, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Constitutional Convention?
I'm the one who made the recent changes regarding the constitutional convention. I'm just not sure that the current climate of the MSP would make this a reality. Except for Yreka, all the cities are pretty much ruled by barely civilized dictators, they would really need a reason to want to give up power like this. Maybe we could create a sort of civil war with a LoN negotiated peace which is followed by a convention as proposed? Mitro 15:56, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Anythings fine by me, I was just trying to find an event that would make other nations see how corrupt the dictators and governors are I thought a war might be a bit far out for me to just make out of no where, but if you think it would work then lets go ahead but we ill need a gradual build up of events that would lead to civil war (city hordes LoN aid or a build up on the Jefferson nationalists issue).Trakov 23:52, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well you have a democratic government in Yreka with a strong military. The MSP is receiving outside aide from the rest of the world.  Meanwhile the Jefferson Nationalists (good idea there with creating that group, I really liked it) and CRUSA are campaigning or funding anyone who supports a strong central government.  I think the climate is right for one city to do something stupid, like attacking agitators of democracy.  Yreka intervene and the rest of the cities decide its finally time to end Yreka's threat to their power.
 * Things don't go as well for the city-states. First the leader of Crescent City stages an attack on the CRUSA chapter house.  Experienced with what happened in Hawaii, CRUSA agents successfully fend off the attack at first but are overwhelmed by larger numbers.  The angry MSP men execute the remaining defenders, but its caught on tape by a foreigner who flees the country and spreads the information to the rest of the world.  In an emergency meeting of the LoN the members agree that they need to intervene in the MSP conflict before things get further out of hand.
 * Meanwhile Yreka goes on the offensive and attacks several other nearby cities, gaining new allies thanks to Jefferson Nationalists volunteers and a few nomads who sell their services (veterans of the fighting out west after all). Due to disputes over leadership and general disorganization, the city-states are late in getting their militaries together.  Meanwhile the PSPU is split with some members going over to both sides.
 * Eventually the MSP gets their shit together and begins to more effectively combat the Rebels. There are atrocities on both sides.  Eventually though an international task force shows up and after capturing Crescent City and bombing several targets in the MSP, both sides agree to a cease fire and a new constitutional convention to work out the future of the MSP.  Meanwhile more cities boil over as the oppressed classes turn on their leaders.  Some flee, others are captured and tried.  A few smart ones push through reforms and "abdicate" to stay in power.  A few others try to use heavy handed tactics, but the LoN threatens to intervene if it continues.
 * Thoughts? Mitro 02:42, 6 June 2009 (UTC)