User talk:VENEZUELA

1983: Doomsday
Thank you for your interest in 1983: Doomsday. We ask all would be contributors to this timeline to do the following (and in this order):


 * 1) Please read QSS and QAA and the . Understand them before contributing. If you have questions, ask me or another contributor. If you cannot abide by them, thank you for your interest in our timeline, and good day.
 * 2) Please introduce yourself on the talk page of the timeline.
 * 3) Please also detail any proposal you would have for us as well
 * 4) Understand the conventions in use in this wiki before creating a new page.
 * 5) Play nice and have fun!

Mitro 01:28, March 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * I have currently hidden the headlines you added to the WCRB NewsHour. They are still there but cannot be seen outside the Edit view. Generally we leave those spaces for only canon material and your information is still in the proposal stage. For more info on the proposal stage please read the . I also reccomend bringing up your ideas on Talk:1983: Doomsday. Mitro 18:06, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Please follow the of 1983: Doomsday. When creating new articles you have to add the proposal template. Also any new artilce must have "(1983: Doomsday)" in the title. Mitro 00:32, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Graduation
You recently graduated a number of articles that some users had issues with, please do not do so in the future. Graduation must wait until there are no objections.Oerwinde 03:27, June 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just because you fixed it doesn't mean people have seen it yet. If you fixed it make sure to post what you fixed on the talk page so those who have issues can see. The talk page still shows that there are issues with Georgia and Ossetia, so graduating Georgia and then graduating all those mentioned in the article simply because that one was graduated is an issue since there were objections to several of the articles. Of all those graduated, the only one that was asked if there were no objections to graduation and none were voiced was Azerbaijan. And just because an article was mentioned doesn't mean it gets instant approval. A state's existence doesn't mean all the details of its history fit. Also, don't just delete it from the talk page when its graduated, it has to be moved to the archives. Oerwinde 03:41, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, and now you're graduating obsolete articles. If an article is marked as obsolete, and you make no changes, then its still obsolete.Oerwinde 03:43, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Don and Kuban republics were not edited between being marked as obsolete, and you graduating them other than maybe a few spelling corrections. Correcting spelling doesn't make a difference in the relevence of the article.Oerwinde 03:50, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Help
I'm starting on reviewing your work now... had to do some work on my stuff, lol.

Would it be possible to get your permission to edit the articles in question?

I will be looking over all of them, so I guess it would apply to all, really.

The maps are fine, though the Don Republic will need some work, as that capital, looking at the map, would have been covered in radiation. I've got a couple more sites that I have found that have history with the Don Cossacks and would work instead. But I will only edit with your permission.

Also, if you could hold off asking for objections for graduation, thats what got this in trouble in the first place, that would be great. Like I said, I'll go over all of them.

Lordganon 03:44, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Ven?

Lordganon 22:15, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Seriously Ven, you need to quit asking for graduation so fast. You need to wait at least a week after making the article to do that.

Lordganon 12:19, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Flags and CoA
Thanks for the flags and CoA. Now the CoA of Mongolia isn't new, but what about the flags for Manchuria and Uyghuristan? Did you make those? I particulary liked the one for Uyghuristan.--Vladivostok 07:20, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

My Edits
I'll explain my edits here.

For the Kuban article, I've changed the largest city, because it would have been less radiated - but Krasnodar does fit better for the capital, so it should stay there. Added a strike, and made the tsunami part more likely. Also had the industrial district of Krasnodar slightly damaged, wont harm the city itself any. Reworded the rest of the article so that it sounds like the state is possible, and sounds better.

If you added some more post-doomsday events, like maybe contact with Siberia, I'll fix them into the overall scheme. What do you think of how it looks? I'll make the edits.

The Don Republic will will be edited next, hopefully tomorrow, and brought in line with this one.

Lordganon 20:32, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Done. Basic, minor edit. Glad you like it, though. The rest will likely have some sort of feel like it.

You gotta stop asking for graduation so fast, though!

Lordganon 06:52, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Gone over the Don Republic. Changed both the largest city and capital, but have made it so that the city you had it as will be both again in a year or two. Gave a reason for the economic recovery, and added strikes, as well as explaining the damage to the north part of the Don Basin. General rewording like the other article as well.

Others.... in a few days as they were not so pressing. Maybe add some more details to this and Kuban, I'll sort it out a bit if you do.

Also good, though?

Lordganon 08:46, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Any preference which of the other articles I work on first?

Lordganon 22:31, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Went over the Dagestan article. Had to nuke the capital you've chosen, there seems to be an airbase there. Moved it to Derbent, the major city in the south. Added a better map that shows the strikes and areas of control, and filled in details for the infobox. Cleaned it up in general, and straightened out the history. Lemme know if you think something should be changed.

I've decided to go over them in the order you posted them on the talk page, since I haven't heard from you.

Lordganon 10:25, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Went over the Armenia article after it was graduated. Now it doesn't look like it was off wikipedia, or contain things about destroyed cities ;)

Nothing too major, though looking at things, the little Azerbaijan enclave there'd be independent - Armenia wouldn't let it have the contact with Azerbaijan needed for it to be part of the same government.

Creation of that article and going over Azerbaijan are next.

Lordganon 15:12, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Decided since it was the only between Azer~ and what I'd just gone over, I'd do the Kalmykia one first.

Made it clearer, and even gave ya some Tibet contact, though very little.

As for all of these articles, if you have any more ideas for the post-doomsday histories, please let me know - I'll put them in.

I may be fixing them, but they are still your articles. ;)

Lordganon 06:28, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Azerbaijan now done revising. Looking at things, I've decided to scrap the warfare with Georgia - Azerbaijan is in no shape for it. Changed the capital - that city, while largest, has no history with the area at all - it was 35 years old at the time of Doomsday - the new one does. Also made the establish state later.

Article creation will be next.

Lordganon 15:52, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Created the article I mentioned for ya.

If you could give me things you want in things articles, please do! They need to be expanded post-DD, and while I'll get ya ideas put in and fixed up, I won't get the ideas myself!!!

Just leave'em on my page.

Fixed up Hepburn for ya too. Give me some REALISTIC ideas for trips she could make - only in the med around Italy until 92, expanding slowly thereafter. But most of the globe is an impossibility. Made her live longer too - I figure she'd have died on cancer eventually, but given increased screenings, etc, after DD, she have caught the one that killed her before it got too far.

Lordganon 14:16, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

The WWF is fixed. I'm sorry, but them having the headquarters in Venezuela makes little sense - there would be almost no members there to actually run it, nor any offices that could really support it.

Lordganon 12:39, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Fixed up ya additions to the WWF article.

Went over the Ossetia article too. Nothing major, really just a capital change.

Lordganon 05:50, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

Georgia fixed and brought in line with canon. Also have edited the WWF slightly to make mitro happy. Will likely edit Ossetia a bit more too.

Have given up on Pashtunistan, fyi - its just implausible.

Lordganon 10:52, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Central World
I'll make a template for you, and I will make an article when I have the free time. Arstarpool 17:22, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Central World (Participation)
I would be glad but I have lots of works on my own timeline. I am mainly tagging the flags with categories. JorgeGG 02:31, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

I would love to help! I'll be a little busy with the Rise of Roses ATL, but I'll try and help the best I can...Smallpox 14:56, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Well thank you for asking. Sorry though, I can't do it right now. I'm sure I'll get around to doing a few articles on the nations of Central World though! Eastward Expansion 15:14, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Venezuela, I want to help you on Central World, but I need you to answer me this question: what articles on nations already exist? Fedelede 15:17, July 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll help with it, and I'll make the template. - Mister Sheen 15:52, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * This is the template. Do you want any changes? - Mister Sheen 16:12, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it's an interesting premise, and I may participate. Though I would like to know: if Germany won in WW1, and had no need to dissolve the monarchy, how did Hitler come to power? Fegaxeyl 17:22, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

I'll gladly create and article for Central World.Frymon 17:32, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Well, what nation would you want done? Frymon 17:40, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Give me time to read through the source materials and I will begin work in my two favourite countires, Ireland and Canada. Frymon 17:43, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I'm working on some stuff with Rise of Roses, but I'll look into it at some point. Kareljanis 20:30, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

I will help you with your TL, if you want to help me with one of mine: either French Trafalgar, British Waterloo or Choose Your Own Alternate History!, and it would be greatly appreciated. What would you like me to start on? Tbguy1992 19:45, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, just give me a list of important articles you need writen, in the case that you help me by supporting the Kingdom of Macedonia article I'm writing in any way possible. Ownerzmcown 00:00, July 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Venezuela. Well, if i can help, i could create an article about Chile. Greetings --Katholico 22:46, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * De nada Vene. Te iba a escribir en español, pero como estamos en una wikia inglesa no lo hice xD Jeje Bueno, asi esta mejor ya me ingles no es muy bueno :P Quizas lo escriba en un rato, es que estoy traduciendo un asunto relacionado a Rise of Roses para poder ver si puedo escribir un articulo alli tambien. En todo caso, por ahora solo escribiria lo general, ya que debo leer mas a fondo tu historia para saber que tipo de cambios le traeria a Chile. Saludos --Katholico 23:02, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

I'll give it a shot when I've got the time.

Lordganon 22:24, July 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Venezuela, America Latina tiene alguna participación en WW2? En nuestra OTL la mayoria fue neutral o declaro la guerra al Eje casi al final. En Central World es igual o puede haber estallado conflictos? (ejemplo: Brasil, Chile vs Argentina Paraguay?) --Katholico 02:02, July 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah, perfecto, es que pense que los victorias del Eje (mas aun si tu dices que el D-Day fracaso) podrian haber llevado a que los gobiernos mas cercanos al Axis en America (y que en OTL apoyaron a los aliados por la influencia de EEUU) se decidieran a entrar en la guerra de su lado. Saludos --Katholico 03:23, July 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hice la timeline como vi que todavia no la habias creado; Venezuela, despues voy crear la pagina sobre la WW1, pero necesito saber cual es el POD de la historia. y otra cosa, la Gran Depresión tambien ocurre, no? Saludos --Katholico 20:09, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Your "Community" Project
Hey Vene, I need to talk to you about something, and I'm being honest, don't think I'm being a jerk because I don't like you or anything.

No offense, but I've read through Central World and it's not going to be the new "community" project. Almost everything was written by you. All the storyline, nations, and everything else. You just want people to expand on it, and make it better for you.

I am sorry that you may not understand a lot of English and might not know how to sense attitude in what people have written above, but people aren't really thrilled about Central World. People have gotten that way over Rise of Roses, Wasteland Europe, and 1983: Doomsday, but it's not going to happen with Central World. Arstarpool 23:35, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

'Don't talk to me like that! I mean it! You cheat on polls, have your "friends" like DAFG threaten me, try to get every article graduated, even implausible ones, and you spam'!!! Vete al carajo! Arstarpool 00:13, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Wasteland Europe
Hey, if you can, could you help me out with Wasteland Europe? Feel free to expand it, because it is an open timeline afterall. Arstarpool 21:58, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Central World
Sure, I'll take a look at them. BoredMatt 21:57, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Venezuela
Venezuela, just a quick note:

No tienes que hablar conmigo en ingles. Yo entiendo espanol perfectamente.

La cosa es, sé uno pocos venezolanos, y han dicho lo mismo. Créame, su "dictador" Hugo Chávez es un enemigo a nosotros los americanos, cubanos y costarricenses, y hace quedar mal a su país. Los colombianos están empezando a cortar todos los lazos con Venezuela, también. No era mi intención ofenderle, pero he estado una persona grosera recientemente. Por favor, entienda eso.

Pero recuerda que todavía hay lugares muy agradables en su país. Sólo recuerda que un día, el hijo de puta comemierda Chávez va a morir, y su país será libre. Simplemente trata de recordar eso.Arstarpool

Proposal template
What do you mean? - Mister Sheen 22:28, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * The link will work when someone creates the talk page for the article. - Mister Sheen 22:42, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Central world
yes i did create the seal of alaska i modified the real seal on paint Migue235 13:25, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

SI ESTOY EN ESO GRACIAS. TE GUSTA COMO ESTA QUEDANDO?Migue235 16:30, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

I think I might to a few articles on Central World....

Eastward Expansion 17:06, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Chavez
I have a question for you. Being Venezuelan, do you like Chavez? Eastward Expansion 17:06, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Wow. It sounds terrible in Venezuela. I'm glad you can talk freely here, because its impossible to trace who says what on the internet. I know a Venezuela guy (though he was born in India) that is fleeing the country. He says that he had his car stolen, and was nearly shot twice, and that now he has to leave the country for good. I'm sorry that you have to live with Chavez in control. Eastward Expansion 19:57, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Remember what I said, Vene, the fucker will die sooner or later :D Arstarpool 22:40, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Central World
I have seen this timeline around, I had no idea you were a part of it. --NuclearVacuum 17:34, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Central World
I have an idea, as you know Wallonia has mostly a French, German population. But what if a far right french general exile took power and executed the local goverment while also gaining french locals support? Germany would have to send troops and a civil war would take place in the region. This war would last from 1936 to 1939; Its kind of like the Spanish Civil War except in a diffrent region. What do you think of this? Duchland 20:19, July 19, 2010 (UTC)Duchland

alaska
agarre el escudo actual y luego en paint lo modifique.

Al cielo lo pinte de azul oscuro y le puse las estrellas de la bandera y la luna.

las montañas las deje igual

la casa no la cambie pero le agregue el humo saliendo por la chimenea

Al lago lo pinte de azul y le quite los barcos (no se veian muy bien en contraste con el agua oscura, si no los ubiera dejado) tambien modifique la costa tambien puse el reflejo de la luna

en la parte de enfrente quite el granjero y todo eso y puse un bosque de pinos

el oso y el salmon los agarre por separado en google y los uni

puse como una hoja de laurel y una rama de pino con dos piñas

y le puse free state of alaskaMigue235 21:09, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

por cierto me van a poner oficialmente o voy a ser un proposal para siempre

Migue235 21:09, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

ok gracias

q mas puedo crear???

Migue235 21:24, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Como qMigue235 21:26, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

porcierto alska es parte de la geacop y hawaii???

y eso q significa???Migue235 21:32, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

voy a crear a venezuela qien sera el presidente???Migue235 21:56, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Spanish
VENEZUELA, ¿cómo es mi español? Me pregunto ...

Eso es mejor de lo que pensaba ...

Eastward Expansion 22:25, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Traduction
Hola, Vene, me estaba preguntando si por favor me podias traducir al ingles las cosas que estoy escribiendo para mi articulo sobre Chile?. Avisame y Gracias :). --Katholico 05:04, July 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * No te preocupes, todo se arregla :) OK, ademas de Mexico, son los paises beligerantes son los mismos que en OTL, no? y Venezuela, podrias pasarme al ingles esto, por favor? Digo, sin no es problema.... Es para mi articulo. Tomate tu tiempo y gracias!! Saludos --Katholico 22:31, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Eso de arriba Vene, estaba intentando una cosa para que no ocupara tanto espacio. --Katholico 22:50, July 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Muchas gracias Vene!!! No hay problema, estab pensando en empezar los articulos de Peru, Argentina y España despues. Saludos --Katholico 23:21, July 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Bueno, Venezuela, acepto el ofrecimiento :) Solo necesitaria que me digas que otras ideas GENERALES piensas que tiene Central World, para si poder resolver cualquier inquietud en caso de ser consultado. Ejemplo: El Socialismo/Comunismo desaparece tras l caida de la URSS? Saludos y gracias! --Katholico 02:02, July 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Puedo hacer algunos de esos articulos, como el de la Organization of Nat. Eso si, sera mañana ya que ahora debo irme. Yo creo que si deberia haber guerra contra el terror, si la EC extiende sus dominacion hacia los paises arabes para asegurar el control del petroleo. Yo pensaba crear un articulo sobre una union en defensa de la democracia para sudamerica creada tras las guerra, pero dado que USA mantendra fuertemente dictadores, mejor dejo su creacion para fines del siglo XX. Antes de irme te pregunto, puede haber guerras en america durante la guerra fria? (como las Malvinas, la crisis del beagle, o guerras civiles) Saludos y nos vemos mañana!! :) --Katholico 02:54, July 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Guerras civiles como la de El Salvador, pero tambien lo preguntaba por si se inventa alguna guerra en otro pais. Yo esperaba que organizacion pro-democracia en America fuera mas FUERTE y EFICIENTE que la OEA de OTL, por lo que primero las dictaduras y gobiernos militares proamericanistas instauradas por EEUU deberian caer. Por otro lado, para una Alianza Militar tipo OTAN que te parece la Alianza de Defensa Americana? Saludos --Katholico 03:23, July 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Venezuela, ahora voy a colocar lo ultimo que he creado sobre la historia de Chile (lo traduje ayudandome en un traductor, te agradeceria si arreglas lo que esta mal escrito), y bueno, hay algunas ideas que me gustaria revisaras, como por ejemplo la crisis hegemonica japonesa que es aprovechada por Chile para extender influencias en Oceania y el Sudeste Asiatico. Espero tu opinion de aquellas ideas. Saludos y desde ya gracias! --Katholico 04:52, July 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Venezuela, disculpa, sucede algo? es que aun no me has respondido. --Katholico 02:02, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

American Defense Alliance
Venezuela, cree el articulo sobre la Alianza de Defensa Americana, pero hay varios puntos por resolver, incluyendo cuando fue creado, donde tiene su sede, ademas de que si incluye a toda America o no (Mexico lucho en la WW1 junto a Alemania, pero en la WW2?)... y si hasta hoy existiria. Respondeme cuando puedas. Saludos --Katholico 03:13, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Georgia y sus paises
Hola Vene. Como usted y Fedelede casi nunca estan en 1983: Doomsday, puedo markar Mingrelia y los otros obsolete para que podemos graduar a Georgia mas rapi? Arstarpool 22:40, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

IRC
This is sort of an IM thing that Smallpox and Vegas found, I checked it out and it's pretty cool.

Go to http://webchat.freenode.net/

write your nickname

type "wikia_ah" (remove quotation marks) in the channel box

enter, and party.

Pass it on.

BoredMatt 14:27, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

PS me and EE found the layout a bit confusing, you type in the text bar at the bottom of the screen.

Response to earlier message
Ah, yes. I have received your message.

Unfortunately, I am poorly experienced in the field of Wiki, and I am afraid that I would be of no use in your project.

Thank you for the offer, but I think that I will stick with my own projects and the timeline Superpowers.

Rcox1995 21:33, July 20, 2010 (UTC)rcox1995

Georgia, Ossetia, y Mingrelia
Hola Vene. Voy a markar a Mingrelia y todo los otros como "obsolete", ok? Es la unica forma a graduar. Arstarpool 22:40, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Response
Hi, I'm afraid I'm going to have to decline your request. I however offer my encouragement for you and your team to work on this timeline. I'm sure you'll accomplish a lot.

Buena Suerte =D Red VS Blue 01:34, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Zack's Response
Hold your horses Ven! I love the enthusiasm but I need to read the TL first. I do appreciate the offer though & once I read it I'll see what I can do. --GOPZACK 02:35, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Umm...I am trying to write an article about the Christian Republic of Assyria and I cant find its location on your map. Duchland 15:53, July 21, 2010 (UTC)Duchland

1983: Doomsday
Are you still going to work on 1983: Doomsday? It is the most popular timeline again, and you might want to enjoy finishing your countries.

Also, Mingrelia and the Mingrelia Independence War and all other Georgia Causcaus countries are obsolete now, so edit your userpage. Arstarpool 22:28, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism
If you read [http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Tbguy1992#Deletion_of_certain_years... my response,]

You see my reasons for myself not being a vandal. Really? Really, Vene? What "Stupid Things" did I add? I'm slightly annoyed...

Anyway, are there any countries in Central World that you want me to do? Maybe the Russian Far East ones if I knew their names...

Sincerely,

Eastward Expansion 01:48, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Far East....
Great! I'll start articles for those nations now...

Eastward Expansion 13:29, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Is it ok if I edit the Central World page to add Buryatia as a proposal?

And add Buryatia to the list of nations?

Eastward Expansion 13:47, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Boxes...
I couldn't figure out how to put the box around Buryatia. Could you tell me how you did it?Eastward Expansion 16:22, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

If you look at the nations page, there seems to be boxes around each flag and nation name.Eastward Expansion 16:25, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Si todavía no entienden, podemos tener el traductor que trató de matarme traducir ...

Eastward Expansion 16:27, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Eastward Expansion 16:39, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Colombia-Venezuela Relations
You might find this interesting. If you scroll to the bottom of the page, you will see that a war is soon to break out, and if that does happen, I will be on Colombia's side. Good luck and God bless you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombia–Venezuela_relations Arstarpool 03:16, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Ask on the talk page if anybody has objections. If nobody says anything for 5 days than graduate it. Arstarpool 16:57, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Adygea and Chechnia
Most of Adygea is under the control of the Kubans, actually. No point making a republic for them, then.

A Republic for Kabardino-Balkaria is possible, though - but that would be the last one that could exist in the region. And, as it is today, the area at the time had only the two republics, not three - the Karbards and Balkars have been in one republic since the system was set up, and have good enough relations for it to stay that way.

A full third of the population of Tartarstan lives in the capital of Kazan - which would have been nuked on DD, for sure. I'd leave that one alone, for that reason, as well as it being too close to Siberia - the Ural territory has existed since 1995, and any states just outside of it would have been taken long ago.

The capital of Chuvasia looks to have been a target too, in my mind, so I wouldn't even go there either.

But, the other two there would be fine.

As for Chechnya, I'll get to it eventually. The stuff on the proposal page is a higher priority atm.

And Please, GIVE ME IDEAS OF WHAT YA WANT ADDED TO THE HISTORIES!!!! lol Anything you can think of - it is makes sense at all I'll adjust it and put it in.

Lordganon 06:48, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Georgia on the WCRB
As the caretaker of Georgia, you do not have my permission to have a LoN command there. I kicked you out of the Georgia article, anyways. Arstarpool 01:51, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Thats a lie. Actually according to the history of the article I contributed 8 times to it.

Remove the Republic of Georgia from your articles because it will be deleted soon since it is a copy of an existing article, a direct violation of the QSS and QAA.

Arstarpool 17:52, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

No matter what you say, it IS A COPY. THERE CANNOT BE TWO GEORGIAS. Mine came first, and even if you added every word to the new one it would still be deleted because there can not be two articles on the same place and the original must always stay.

I will make a deal with you: You delete the Republic of Georgia and I will leave Dagestan.

Until the dispute is solved neither the Republic of Georgia or the Federation of Georgia may be edited. The next time you touch either one there will be trouble. 18:06, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Problem
It seems you are having quite the dispute with Arstarpool. I would request that you do not blank his articles do not delete things off of his user page and do not spam up the place with duplicate articles. With that said I would like to hear your side of the story, but damaging other articles does not help your case. I would like to reach a reasonable solution so please respond sooner rather then later. --GOPZACK 17:43, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

I've reviewed what this whole dispute is about and technically you are at fault however Arstarpool's handling of the situation leaves a lot to be desired. If you guys cannot work this out yourselves I'll intervene as needed. --GOPZACK 21:33, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Fine, Vene. I will return you to the Georgia project but only if you delete/hide that rude message on Mitro's page. Really, man, a lot of that was not true and rude. 03:31, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Future Map
Yes, I did check out the map and I thought it was great. I like all the new countries

As far as the book goes...How did you know that?

I was going to have the blog go on (to new blog posts) and slowly explain that. In the Next post, I'll explain why in the book, China balkanizes.

Also, please don't give it away to others, because I'm hoping it will be a surprise.

Eastward Expansion 00:14, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

lol.

Eastward Expansion 00:17, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

hola vene, pregunta¿como se hace una imagen o mapa como el tuyo http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/File:Future_2.png ? como pintas con una bandera un espacio definido? con que programas? con que herramientas? pregunta seria, no se de verdad explicame please, gracias--Fero 05:31, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Banderas
Por supuesto! Pero me gustaría diseñar a mí las banderas de las Repúblicas Socialistas de Cataluña, Baleares y Valencia. Gracias por tu interés! --M92 09:29, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

European Renaissance
Por que la pagina esta asi? Quien iso esto, alguin borro la pagina y comenzo de nuevo, quien y por queMigue235 15:27, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Conectate en la IRC AHORAMigue235 15:42, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

pUEDES SER MIEMBRO DEL STAFFMigue235 15:46, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Singapore and Malaya
Hi VENEZUELA! Sorry for the late reply. I'm glad that you enjoyed Vegetarian World! And I think that your Central World is coming along really well, too! It's interesting how Fascism won, but later fell much like Communism.

Anyway, I might be able to do some work with Singapore and Malaya. In fact, I might write a bit soon. But of course, don't hold them for me. I'm notorious for leaving this site for weeks at a time. I read that in WWII, like in OTL, Japan invaded Malaya and Singapore. However, unlike Taiwan, they seem to be independent now. However, I wasn't able to find out any more information. So my guess is that they were invaded by Japan and then were either run as puppets, or gained independence from Japan somehow. So, I might write a bit, and feel of course add to it or totally discard it if you don't like it. I think that most people might not get around to these countries, so at least you might have a bit to go with for now. Again, thanks for your nice comments. --Riction 16:08, July 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * I wrote an article about Singapore. Check it out and see if you like it. --Riction 17:46, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

1962: First Strike
Fine by me. Mitro 03:00, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Balkanized North America
Right now, I'm once again interested in your Tl, Balkanized North America. If you check out, the Talk Page I've listed several places where your can find information that might help you. Eastward Expansion 16:41, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

RE:Balkanized Russia
It sounds like an interesting idea Vene, and I'd like to help, it's just that I have a slow internet connection at the moment as I'm currenty at the seaside and am not on my regular connection. Thus, I'll help when I return to Zagreb, which will be by the end of August.--Vladivostok 16:16, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Ancient War on Terror
Now, now, Vene, what's this all about? BoredMatt 20:02, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Also, deleting my arguements isn't going to make me stop arguing. If anything, it's gonna do the exact opposite. BoredMatt 20:15, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Russia
Thanks, I'm glad you like Neutral France. I've seen your new timeline and I think its coming along quite well!

Eastward Expansion 18:39, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

And Broke into Pieces, My Russia
I have actually been looking at it, and I'm very interested in the way it is going! However, currently I'm focusing on CYOAH (thanks for your contributions, by the way!) and my primary AltHist, French Trafalgar, British Waterloo at the moment, so I won't be adding any new articles to ABIPMR (I love acronyms!) anytime soon. I would also like to see how the story develops as well, because I really don't feel like barging in and writing things that may contradict the TL, plus also my utter ignorance of Russian ethnic groupings.

I wish you all the luck in the world on your new project, and I hope you will find more people who will help you!

P.S.: How are you still doing on Central World? And, if you have the time, could you please check out my major project, FTBW? The links above to make it easier to get their! Tbguy1992 05:01, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Looks like you have a good start. To be honest, the history of Russia and its ethnic groups is hardly my strong suit, but I think it looks pretty reasonable. Don't understand why Cornwall and Scotland broke from Britain though if the British still won WWI. KingSweden 18:37, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Lebanon
Hey! My dad just went to Ehden last year for a wedding (and for business). BoredMatt 19:26, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Haha, he never expected to see a pine forest!! He got to see this play that was sorta making fun of the Hezbollah, but the director got pulled offstage and beaten after the play was over. And I've been to Beirut before, great food, and just a generally great place to live!

Err, yea that's what I meant. BoredMatt 20:26, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Cold War Map Game
Hey, I've recently restarted the map game Cold War! (Map Game) and say that you were one of the players, I would like you to start playing again and bring life back to this awesome map game Ownerzmcown 17:43, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Estonia
I turned it into a proposal because Yank just recently changed the article to give Estonia a larger population and more territory without any explanation. Estonia was graduated as being smaller and we just don't change that so quickly without an explanation. Until I get it I am leaving it as a proposal. It is all in the. Mitro 21:40, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

1983's Greece
I have a few ideas for the flags, but it'll be hard to convey a few of said ideas to you, so you'll have a lot of freedom to design what you think. You can ask me about symbolism, colours, etc, that Greeks might play on of course.
 * And sorry but I've already picked up a successor to take the reins of the Federation of Greece; you're willing to join me as a co-caretaker though, along with BoredMatt and Oerwinde and whoever else accepts.

I'll be creating a blog for all of us to put our ideas, you can post them there and we can talk it out from there. The Republic of the Holy Mountain is basically a given, I talked about how the Moreos was formed, and I used to have a narrative on the formation on the Delian League (the nation-state that formed the Confederation and the bleeding-heart of the group), but it's long since been deleted so it's up for discussion. Mr.Xeight 03:57, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

I really don't know, I haven't been following up on current events in 1983:Doomsday so I had no idea Greece went on an annexing-spree in Algeria until now; defer that question to one of the current co-caretakers who actually has been following 1983:Doomsday in the last few months. Mr.Xeight 04:03, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

I don't even remember how to make a blog, thus I am in no-rush to create one; like I said, alternate history is not my top-priority. Mr.Xeight 04:15, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

I'll do it, it's okay; but if you could so kind as to tell me how to create a blog I'd be most appreciative. And I have to warn you; some of yours flags might not be chosen as the official flags for the nation, don't get upset. Mr.Xeight 04:23, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, Venezuela, but there is absolutely no way that a Greek Federation would allow a Muslim-influence flag and one that was the flag for a Turkish republic claimed in the '20s. Besides, the Constantinople territory has less than a hundred people, nothing but soldiers, excavators looking for anything that survived, and priests. Mr.Xeight 05:01, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

The blog's up for you now, I'm getting tired but I'll wait to see what you have in store. And as for Thrace's flag, I think it'll probably be Byzantine-influenced, I'll see if I can design that one. As for Egypt having a Coptic flag, I don't think that could work-if the Greeks show favour to the Copts, that'll royally piss off the majority-Arab mandate. Perhaps making a tri-coloured flag, one strip representing the Arabs, one the Copts, and one for the Greeks in the middle? So Green for the Arabs, Blue for the Copts, and Red or White for the Greeks? Mr.Xeight

It seems that you're more interested in Greece's North African Mandates; would you care to write articles on the Three Mandates? The Nile Delta and Suez Canal were mandated to Greec from the League of Nations so that the two very valuable stretches of land would be in the hands of a loyal, League of Nations Members, and the Moreos just colonized Libya in order to regain land that used to be Greek twice in history; once during the Roman and Byzantine Periods, and before that when Peloponnesian colonists moved there during the Golden Age of Ancient Greece. Other than that, you can do whatever you want with them within reason. Mr.Xeight 14:31, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Oh well jeez, I didn't even realize the LoN is that young! I suppose we'll change the date of the acquisition of the Suez to 2008, and in 2008 the LoN gives its blessing to Greece to hold onto its African parts instead of granting it to them. Mr.Xeight 17:59, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Yep, you're good to go, although would you be able to give me a quick preview of things to come for Greek Africa? I'm rather curious. And you don't directly contradict anything on the old pages, do you, or at least to the best of your knowledge? Not a big problem, as it can be changed (and indeed, some things will need to change), I'm just wondering. If you would like to change anything old, feel free to ask. Mr.Xeight 18:07, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah that's sound good. Mr.Xeight 18:32, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

I like what you've written so far, and I'll be going over it for punctuation issues (not to worry, until I was four English wasn't my first language either). I'd also like to ask you if instead of a picture of Mosques in New Cairo we highlight the Christian aspect of the city and replace the picture with a picture of a new cathedral for the Patriarchate of Alexandria. Speaking of a new Patriarch, since the Coptic Orthodox Church really started to break down due to harsh Muslim-rule, perhaps when the Greeks get there, the Coptic Orthodox Church could undergo a renaissance period and go into communion with the GOC. Mr.Xeight 20:12, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

I'm looking for a picture of the Cathedral of the Patriarch of Alexandria on all pages pertaining to the Patriarchate on Wikipedia, but no such luck so far. Basically what I picturing was the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Alexandria and the Coptic Orthodox Church combine. Now theologically the new Patriarchate would be Eastern-Orthodox, but its Patriarch would be a native Copt and the majority of the parishioners would be Coptic, although immigrant Greeks and Arab converts (remember, Greece owns part of Libya and Egypt, it can send as many missionaries as it wants without fear of said missionaries being expelled or killed). I decided on going with a Coptic-Patriarch since well, how many bishops can Greece send away when there have been so many deaths already? I have to go finish some homework, so would you mind looking for a picture of the Cathedral of the Patriarch of Alexandria? Mr.Xeight 01:18, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

I must say, Venezuela, you're quite the hard-worker, and you have good ideas, too! Frankly, you're a Godsend (along with the others) and for that I thank you! I'll write up the captions for the acthedral in the morning, but I have to be leaving now to get to bed, I'll be waking up in six hours to row. Mr.Xeight 03:39, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

I have to think about what exactly is going to go with the union of the Coptic and Greek Orthodox churches of Alexandria; there can be a lot of repercussions for that. You mention the Islamic government of Egypt caused the Copts to "wither way"-does that mean that they;re nearly extinct or simply went into hiding? If it's the former, then they might be accepted into the newly united Patriarchate; if the latter, well then the two might remain seperate but the cathedral can be a joint house of worship. I think that the other Churches of Oriental Orthodoxy will be realing from any said union, and not all Coptic-Christians will join the new church. Plus there's the difference in theologies, of which there's a ton of. I'm having second thoughts, but that doesn't mean I've given up on it yet.
 * Oh, and your first picture, of the circular church, the Frank Lloyd Wright church in Wisconsin, perhaps we can touch that up and have a photo-shop wizard put the background of downtown Alexandria behind the church? I mean we don't have to go with what the original church looked like, and a circular church, while weird to an Eastern Orthodox Christian, my not necessarily be weird to a post-apocalyptic, Oriental Orthodox Christian. I'll have to look into it.

Mr.Xeight 04:08, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Vene
Hi, I was just wondering if you wouldn't mind reading my primary althist, French Trafalgar, British Waterloo, and give me any feedback, comments or ideas, as I have hit a writers block, and I need some new ideas to try to move the story along.

Thanks! Tbguy1992 03:59, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

1983: Doomsday
Vene, estoy pensando en volver a 1983: Doomsday, pero no estoy seguro de en que campo o como escribir. Que crees? Fedelede 01:08, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Estaba pensando en eso y en los Balcanes. Fedelede 01:15, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

History of Venezuela
Ven, you need to stop removing the proposal template for History of Venezuela (1983: Doomsday). This article never went through the graduation process, you need to do that. This is the last time I am telling you that. Mitro 14:54, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

East Sudan
South Sudan only broke of from Sudan due to the reintroduction of Islamic law, they were quite happy to be part of Sudan before that. The South Sudanese government has to be very moderate anyway as South Sudan also has a large Muslim populationVegas adict 20:27, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

FIFA/Europa Games logos
Excellent work, VENEZUELA! Thanks for taking the time to work on them! BrianD 00:01, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Logos & Flags
Hey Vene, nice work with the logos you've created lately! Really nice stuff. And since I remembered you did well with the flags you created for some Siberian republics, would you like to make a flag, or perhaps a CoA for the Muslim Liberation Army? Something having to do with the religion of course, as they are militants and all, some symbol that would describe them? If you are interested, just let me know.--Vladivostok 18:17, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * That sounds great, thank you. Oh, and this is just a suggestion, have you by any chance played Command & Conquer: Generals? As the Muslim Liberation Army was inspired by the Global Liberation Army, one of the factions in the game, they had a specific logo of their own. Could you perhaps take a few elements from that when your in the process of making the flag or logo?--Vladivostok 18:31, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Very sinister in appearance, I like it a lot. Thank you for the help, I appreciate it.--Vladivostok 18:55, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Y Central World?
Hola Venezuela, sigues inventado algo nueva para la historia? Es que hace tiempo no te veo editando en ella. Habia creado algunos articulos como el del referendum en Oceania, y ademas le hice una bandera a Alianza militar en america, pero queria saber tu opinion y si tienes algo mas pensado. Saludos --Katholico 20:59, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Entiendo. Bueno, en cuanto puedas das una mirada a Central World y me cuentas que opinas y que cosa nueva se te ocurre. Yo seguire expandiendo algunos de los articulos para que pasen a formar parte del canon. Gracias y Saludos. --Katholico 22:40, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Vene, como sacaste la plantilla, entonces Chile y Peru forman parte del canon, no? Saludos --Katholico 04:09, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Que bien, gracias, mis primeros dos articulos que forman parte del canon! :) Vene, te iba pedir puede modificar el mapamundi de CW (yo no se como modificarlo la verdad : en sudamerica para mostrar los cambios a raiz de las guerras que Chile tiene con Peru y Argentina, y en las que estoy trabajando. Saludos --Katholico 06:07, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Gracias! Su articulo esta muy bueno, contiene los principales items, salvo gobierno y politicas que es un tema para idear con mas tiempo. El desarrollo que la da a cultura me impresiona mucho. Sobre Oceania, me gustaria saber cuales son las nuevas naciones formadas para ver si puedo tomar algunas para acercarla a la influecia de Chile. Una pregunta, Malvinas esta bajo control austrohungaro, no? Saludos --Katholico 06:28, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Perdón, queria decir que tu le das un especial enfasis a la cultura en tus articulos. Generalmente, la cultura queda relegada a un ultimo lugar, cuando ya se ha escrito toda la historia de un pais, su gobierno, su economia, etc. En tu caso, lo primero que escribes es la historia de alemania y sobre su cultura y vegetación. Eso me llama mucho la ateción. Espero haberme dado entender mejor. Saludos! --Katholico 06:44, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Moscovy
I'm going to work on the basic set up with Vlad but once thats done i'd appreciate your help with the various statesVegas adict 21:27, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

South of Moscow but north of the CaucasusVegas adict 21:30, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good to have you aboard Ven. Although a classic Russian flag would probably be the way to go for this state, maybe you could see to something a bit different in the visuals department. Oh, and on a side note, the Socialist International could use a nice new logo if your up for it.--Vladivostok 21:40, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

That will probabley be one of the areas includedVegas adict 21:42, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey Vene, I've created a possible page for our new Russian state, called the Russian Democratic Confederacy. I've named it like that because Moscow was obliterated and naming it Muscovy would be a bit confusing. We can discuss the nation, and its name on that page. Feel free to use your artistic skills to good use with a CoA and stuff like that.--Vladivostok 09:52, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'v added some of the names for the various states, if you want to add more or expand on the ones allready there please go aheadVegas adict 10:54, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Your article
Why not work on it now and then ask for it to be graduated? Mitro 02:53, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why are you so quick to graduate your article? You just created it today. Let people review it. Give it at least 12 hours. Mitro 03:41, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Wars (1983: Doomsday)
Sorry about that. I only meant to move Albania to the right location, I did not mean to delete anything. It was an accident. Mitro 20:15, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Ethnic groups in Socialist Siberia
Thank you for adding that to the page, I totally forgot about that article.--Vladivostok 18:24, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

CYOAH
Alright Vene, since you are new to this, I won't explode at you. Firstly, and I cannot stress this enough to everyone, any and every CYOAH page you create must have a previous button. Without the previous button, the whole story falls apart, and, with the ever-growing number of pages in the continuity, it is not an easy task to track it down and slap previous button on it.

However, there was no hunting required, for, it seems you have altered the main page. That is something you do not do. Only Tbguy, Azecreth, and I should be editing that page, and I've only grammar-Nazi'd it thus far. If we need your help we will come to you. I don't want this to sound mean, you are not punished, you did not know. This is just for future reference. You may, however, create a new page anywhere else in the CYOAH universe, and you may visit my blog for the details on pages that are needed, and a quick tutorial on how to make high-quality pages in CYOAH.

Goodbye, and good luck.

Jazon Naparleon 01:16, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Response
Sorry it took so long to respond, I have been catching up with a lot of work. First, if you want to make a template you are going to have to be a lot more specific. What is the purpose of this template you are trying to make? Also you might want to check Alternative History:Templates to see if what you want already exists.

Second, sorry Ven but I am not interested in working on the Central World TL. You will have to find someone else. Mitro 19:17, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ven you don't need to say please everytime you message me. I'll respond to your message as soon as I can. So do you mean a template like this:

Well the best thing to do is go to Template:1983: Doomsday and look at the code there. You can use that as an outline when making your template, plus you can change the colors if you want. To see the full list of colors available go here. Feel free to experiment by looking at other templates for ideas. Also remember when creating your template to add "Template:" to the beginning of the name. Mitro 21:51, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Like I said above click on Template:1983: Doomsday and click on "Edit this page". That will bring up the code. Mitro 22:03, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Noticias y Plantillas
OK Vene, no te preocupues, estare pendiente del Central News. Que tengas un muy buen viaje!! Saludos PD: Antes de que se me olvide, hay que crear tambien la plantilla para enlaces simples correspondiente a la historia. Como la abreviación CW ya esta usada, pensaba que usaramos esta:. --Katholico 19:49, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Si vi el articulo, agregaste nuevos e interesantes items para desarrollar como la carrera espacial y una crisis de los misiles similar a lo de Cuba. Genial! :D Lo que si, la parte de la seccion sobre la Sengunda Guerra, me parece que hay unos errores, ya que sale sobre las destruccion de japon :S. Esta bien eso? Saludos --Katholico 20:09, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Ah ahora entiendo, Japon se salvo de casi perder la guerra de no ser por las bombas alemanas que forzaron a EEUU a rendirse ante TODAS las fuerzas del Eje. Ya veo a los alemanes durante la Guerra Fria enrostrandole a las Japoneses eso xD Jajaja.... Em, acabo de ver otra cosa, dice que USA tiene una base en Okinawa? Eso si creo que no deberia haber ocurrido si USA perdio la guerra y siguio como enemigo de Japon en la guerra fria. :) Saludos --Katholico 20:23, August 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Gracias por el texto Vene! Ahora mismo lo estoy preparando para agregarlo a Peru :). Ah, te queria decir que vieras los demas articulos para que, antes de irte, me avisaras que si hay algo urgente por hacer y si tienes alguna otra idea que yo deba saber, para seguir expandiendo los otros articulos. Saludos --Katholico 02:05, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

OK! Estoy en ello. Vene, Reino Unido esta en una alguna alianza militar? --Katholico 05:11, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Cambios :D
Hola Vene, espero estes bien! :) WOW, que cambios se vienen! Me gusto la idea! Eso de Austria hungria, me da ideas sobre las Islas Malvinas (Independencia o guerra con algun sudamericano por las islas, ya veremos). OK, espare a que regreses para ver las novedades :) Saludos --Katholico 02:11, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

OK, Entendido Vene, Te veo despues entonces, que estes bien :D --Katholico 18:03, September 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Vene, casi lo olvido. Hay otros cambios territoriales que agregar en cuanto vuelvas, ya que Colombia y Ecuador toman ventaja para firmar nuevos limites con Peru, debido a la Guerra de Tacna. Aqui te dejo una imagen: Saludos y gracias :D --Katholico 21:26, September 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * OK Vene. En cuanto a Peru, bueno efectivamente yo coloque que Peru fue tomado por una revolucion unos años despues de la Tacna War, pero que instalo un gobierno fascista basado en la (existente) Unión Revolucionaria, pero que duro hasta 1948 cuando USA organizo un Golpe. Aun asi, tu idea del Tawantin Suyu me suena muy interesante, y creo que podria surgir despues ya que yo coloque al nacionalista Ollanta Humala como el actual presidente de Peru. Podriamos analizar y trabajar en el asunto. Gracias, Saludos --Katholico 22:47, September 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hola! Si vi los cambios Vene. Ademas de la bandera, ahora Alemania sufre un proceso de desintegración similar a la URSS en OTL. Pero mira encontre que dice esto: In 1988, the Soviet Union abandoned its nine-year war with Kazhakstan and began to withdraw forces from the country. Esta bien? Saludos --Katholico 21:32, September 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ya vote Vene :) Ah por cierto... eso del Tawantisuyo me dio una idea para el resurgimiento de la rivalidad Peruana - Chilena pero con Mayor Fuerza y peligro en tiempos mas actuales y que incluso podria involucrar una unión con la Bolivia indigena. Bueno, cuando tengas tiempo hablaremos sobre el tema. Saludos --Katholico 22:43, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Greece
Sorry I forgot to reply to your post on the Greece page.

I like the general idea for New Athens, but if you could write something up on my talk page about your ideas, I'll make some sort of decision.

You'll want to bug Oer about this too, of course.

Just don't make it mostly pictures, eh?

Lordganon 23:18, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Latinoamerica en 1983:DD
Tengo una pregunta: Yo podría solo empezar editando un artículo o tengo que tener autorización de su creador? Fedelede 03:11, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Bueno, alguien llamado "Chlewey", quien es un colombiano inactivo desde hace mas de dos años, pero Mitro la editó en Septiembre. Claro que solo es una edit de categorías, y la última adición importante (International Relationships) es de octubre del 2009. Fedelede 21:27, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Seguro? Fedelede 21:40, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

WW1 MAP GAME
CREE ESTE MAP GAME LLAMADO WW1 MAP GAMEMigue235 21:05, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

UTOPIA
VOY A CREAR UN ARTICULO COMO CENTRAL WORLD LLAMADO UTOPIA, DONDE NO AI GUERRAS MUNDIALES PERO AI UNA GUERRA SOVIETICA ESTADOUNIDENSE PORQUE LA USSR ATACKA ESTADOS UNIDOS. ALASKA ES DE LA USSRMigue235 21:09, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

ok gracias por los arreglos y entonces dime un nombre para ponerle a utopiaMigue235 21:19, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

PUEDE SER, PERO NOLO CREARE HOY, A MENOS DE QUE LO EMPIECES HOY PERO YO TENGO QUE HACER EL MAPAMigue235 21:32, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Perez Jimenez's Venezuela
Ven, please keep in mind I'm not attacking you as a writer in this, just pointing out my reason's for not supporting your TL to be Featured Alternate History. You are a great writer, but their are a few things that don't quite work for me in Perez Jimenez's Venezuela.

Some of the points that I think makes PJV (I like acronyms, by the way) overly nationalistic is many. The largest example is the bias toward Venezuela, where A) the oil profits are re-invested in the country, which, in OTL, were mostly held by major American corporations. Unless Jimenez is able to convince the American's to re-invest, or he simply takes them over, I do not see it happening. Also, you even mention that "sowing the oil" was difficult because their was few major business and people to invest in the infrastructure projects that is mentioned. The sudden immigration from Europe and Latin America seem almost by design: The dictatorship welcomes them with open arms, while many would have yearned for more freedom than what they would have put up with back home: Most of the immigration you talk about in OTL actually went their because Venezuela was a free, democratic country with a booming economy. Their is no mention of any economic downturns, which would still affect Venezuela, even if the money is still re-invested, which would have lead to protests and possibly coup d' etas against Perez Jimenez and his rule.

And in my biggest point, the major deciding factor for me, is that this story is exclusively set around Venezuela. Their is no mention of what would have happened to other countries if Venezuela remained under Jimenez's rule. And, it seems conveniently forgotten that Guyana was part of the Commonwealth of Nations,lead by Great Britain, one of the world's most powerful nations. In Venezuela did attack their outpost, wouldn't the British have responded? Especially during the 1980's: You seem to forget that "Iron Lady" Margret Thatcher sent a massive invasion force and the majority of the Royal Navy to defend the Falkland Islands after Argentina invaded. I would see Thatcher send an equally strong force to stop Venezuela from taking over Guyana. Reagan may have even stood behind her in this case. And what happened to Cuba? Does it still become communist, or does Jimenez send arms and aid Batista?

Now, if it is somewhat added to, to explain some of these points, and possibly add more to what would have happened if Jimenez does lead Venezuela until his death, and about other countries, I may just support it. It is good, just not quite ready to become featured Alternate History yet. Keep up the good work! Tbguy1992 15:34, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Alright, I'm not an expert on Latin America, as my prime knowledge is on Canada, the British Empire and the history of the US. I will concede the point abou the oil and the Europeans, but I think you should mention it on the article, or go more in depth into it.


 * How about, after the military invasion of Guyana, the Venezuelen's hold a refurendum to ligitimize their rule? To me, from reading it, it seems that it was an illegal invasion, which would have resulted in some form of punishment from the United Nations, although maybe the US would veto it, I'm not sure.


 * For Cuba, I don't mean sending armed soldiers to help stop Castro, but weapon's and money. I think, due to the anti-communist rhetoric of Jimenez, that he would have been a good, if not perfect, ally to the US, so maybe a more active foreign policy?


 * Now, for the economy, wouldn't the drop in oil prices in the 1980's lead to some difficulties? I would have highly doubted that Venezuela, unless their is little to no corruption and everything goes according to plan (which, in both cases, is nearly impossible in the world), would be self-sufficent to survive. Even a minor economic downturn or two would seem realistic, as even the US, the greatest economy in the world, has experienced economic downturns. Maybe the drop in oil prices results in an increase in unemployment and some higher prices, but Jimenez manages to elivate the pain with more government sponsored work? I don't know, but this is starting to sound a lot like An Independent in 2000, were thir is almost nothing wrong with the US (from a Liberal point of view) by 2008.


 * I hope these sound resonable, and I hope you will understand where I'm coming from. I'm a believer in realism, where even fiction has to work in some real boundries. Tbguy1992 17:46, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * First of all, if Venezuela is to have the worlds tallest building in the 1970's, it would either have to be before the World Trade Center Towers*, which were finished in 1972, and the north tower was 417 m (1,368 ft) and the south 415 m (1,362 ft) tall, or the now called Willis (formerly Sears) Tower, completed in 1974, and stands 1451-foot (442 m). But, if you do, I think that would be a great way of showing off Venezuela and it's wealth from oil.


 * Of all the days to talk about the World Trade Center... I feel a bit bad right now. May they rest in peace. Tbguy1992 22:22, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

CSTO y Pacto de Varsovia
Hola Vene, note has colocado en algunos articulos sobre estas dos organizaciones, pero no capto mucho que lugar ocupan en esta timeline, ya que en OTL se relacionan con Rusia. Podrias explicarme? Saludos --Katholico 20:52, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah, ahora entiendo. Gracias por responder, y a proposito de organizaciones, veo que aun no te pasan por el articulo sobre la Alianza Americana. Si tienes tiempo despues, me gustaria que me digas tus ideas sobre el asunto. Saludos --Katholico 21:24, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

The Americas in "Central World"
Vene, I have spent most of my free time today (Saturday) looking over and commenting on "Central World." I am not pleased with the role you give America in a "massive" use of the Monroe Doctrine. Here is the opening paragraph taken from the Wikipedia article on the Monroe Doctrine:


 * The Monroe Doctrine is a United States policy that was introduced on December 2, 1823, which stated that further efforts by European countries to colonize land or interfere with states in the Americas would be viewed by the United States of America as acts of aggression requiring US intervention. The Monroe Doctrine asserted that the Western Hemisphere was not to be further colonized by European countries and that the United States would neither interfere with existing European colonies nor meddle in the internal concerns of European countries. The Doctrine was issued at a time when many Latin American countries were on the verge of becoming independent from the Spanish Empire and the United States, reflecting concerns echoed by Great Britain, hoped to avoid having any European power take Spain's colonies.

You have the US becoming the sponsor of every sort of dictator in the Americas for a good part of the twentieth century. The fact that some dictators did reign with an apparent approval of the US does not mean that the nation that was built on the principles of democracy and liberty would intentionally sponsor such governments out of some perverse sense of "national security." If you are going to vent your disdain for the present conditions in Venezuela, don't use the USA as a fall guy in a time line supposedly based on World Wars in which South America had little impact.

If "Central World" is truly to be a collaborative effort, and is open to input from Americans and Europeans that might actually have more of a feel for those histories, then much of what you have written will have to be changed. I have seen where many of your ideas might lead to a viable time line, so I don't wish to be harsh here. But I do want to assure the wiki carries quality articles that inform people of the possibilities and even role reversals that can occur in this genre. And so, let us try to make sure that things stay as close to truth and as far from fantasy as possible, okay? SouthWriter 04:08, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

¿Quien gana? ¿Mexico o USA?
Hola Vene, oye acabo debe ver en la discusión en Texas, y si bien Lordganon tiene algo de razon, no me parece por lo menos a mi que la cosa se invierta y deba ser EEUU quien gane y anexe territorios. Yo pienso que un Mexico sin revolución que lo haya desgastado por esos años puede muy bien ser capaz de resistir las ofensivas de USA hasta que los Poderes Centrales les envien ayuda. Quizas sea puedan dar dos situaciones: En el este (costa atlantica), USA logra penetrar territorio mexicano hasta ser contenido, mientras en el oeste, las tropas mexicanas tienen una poco mas de exito y avanzan dentro de territorio estadounidense (no mucho, claro esta), donde se estanca la lucha. El punto es que para cuando las fuerzas alemanas triunfan en Europa, en America, Mexico y USA siguen igual a igual con una lijera ventaja para USA, y por eso Mexico necesita la pronta ayuda de los Poderes Centrales, para asi tomar la ofensiva y forzar un armisticio de EEUU. Que te parece? Saludos --Katholico 16:31, September 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Si, entiendo, hay que preguntarle a SouthWritter, pero a lo que yo queria llegar es que debido a lo que dijo Lordganon la situación se invierte y USA gana, terminando la guerra de una mejor manera. Y es que lo fundamental de Central World es que tras la guerra, USA queda algo debil, ya que recuerda que en OTL ese fue el comienzo de USA como una nueva Superpotencia (se consagra definitivamente con la WW2). En fin, si Mexico no puede anexar territorios yo propongo que USA tampoco y todo vuelva a un status quo. Saludos --Katholico 17:01, September 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * XD No digo que no haya guerra, sino que EEUU NO puede ganarle a Mexico y anexarle territorio. ^^U Saludos --Katholico 17:16, September 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Vene, y que dijo SouthWriter sobre USA y Mexico? Saludos --Katholico 04:34, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Entonces USA anexa territorios mexicanos, no? Yo esperaba que esto no ocurriera o al menos despues USA los devolviera. Saludos --Katholico 04:43, September 14, 2010 (UTC)