User talk:Andr3w777



Thanks, could you announce the neutrality in PM please? And could you stop trying to get vietnam to invade me. Oh, and to your queston, thats just the way map game wars work. EzraNYC 00:43, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Feel free to join the game as any couintry you like. What you do is choose a country and tell us what it does for that tunr, like build up. like build military or make colonies or delcare war, that soart fo thing. Also, if you join as Japan, could you sign an allaicne with the Californian Empire? DeanSims 19:36, May 25, 2012 (UTC) Yes I can ally my nation with the California Empire.

edit the most recent turn, not the past turns please. DeanSims 19:58, May 25, 2012 (UTC) My bad

i used a Diploamcy post to reply to you, that way we can talk without having to go to the next turn. but what the heck. DeanSims 20:17, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

have revolution or something by people who are pro-western, and have them call on California for help.

ok.

Say what? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:37, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Union of Pacifica
Union of Pacifica is future history. This wiki is about alternate history. If you want to post future history, see Future Wikia. 77topaz 01:30, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

I know I've removed it.

Recent nomination
Hey. I did not nominate your page for deletion, because of quality. I nominated it, because it was in the future. Future history is not allowed on this wiki. For future histories, check out the Future wikia. Enclavehunter 01:32, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Well. There's many map games, the most active being Triple Entente vs Central Powers, Vive la Revolution Reloaded, Greater Europe Revised, and an few others. You can check the map game page for the list of active games. I'd suggest joining Greater Europe Revised, since there's still powerful countries open, but it's your decision.

Enclavehunter 01:42, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

It actually means that you post your turn, and can't go back and edit. However, if the day goes by fast, I or one of the mods might start an turn, and then your can post for an second time. But generally, only one post per turn, unless its an res ponce to diplomacy and/or offering something to an different nation. If there's anything else you need, just ask? --Enclavehunter 02:04, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

You're not supposed to edit old turns. Also, I'm not going to screw with the map because DeanSims always makes a fake map that goes in his favor,such as giving Southern Arizona to California (his nation) when it never happened. :( Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:31, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Everyone else, :) California made mortal enemies out of the USA, the CSA, Britain, France, Spain, Russia, Prussia, the list goes on and on and never ends. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:48, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Actually the revolution never happened in the game. Might want to do that now. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:51, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

I'm the USA, so President Grant will be there! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:55, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

PM
I notice your looking for map games to play, or at least have been. If you still want more map games to join, I recommend Principia Moderni as its probably the best map game on the Wiki. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 18:06, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Not at all, just have a read through of the rules for the game & abide by them. Having a quick background check wouldn't hurt either. If you have any questions about PM, don't hesitate to ask me. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 18:14, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Ah Dean, yeah I've played a few games and he has a tendency to expand too much and have ridiculously sized armies. And yeah he can be biased, heck, he's the main reason why the original Fractured America ended because he rolled back the game cause he was away for a few days and things had turned bad for him. However its good practice to be cautious with all players in a game really innit?

As for making a map game, well I doubt it'll be a favourable outcome for everybody, I've never seen a map game without some sort of dispute. However to make one, all you got to do is come up with a scenario and a set of rules to govern it, otherwise it turns into, whoever complains the most wins. Funnily enough, you should ask Dean about making a map game, as he's made loads; albiet not all successful games. The trick is to make sure the game doesn't die. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 19:01, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Wales is fine, you won't ruin PM. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 19:03, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

re: Europe 1430 II
Unfortunately, that game has been inactive for quite some time. May I suggest Principia Moderni? The game started in the 1400s and it's now in the 1900s. Pretty soon, we'll be making a PM II if you want to join that. CrimsonAssassin 19:22, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Dean keep undoing it. What am I to do? Also, amy I suggest this? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:08, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Ireland (Principia Moderni)
Ireland is a Vietnamese colony, and is thus not fair game for Wales. At least for the moment. I plan on giving Ireland independance, but having Ireland divide itself between a Democratic North Ireland and a Collectivist (which is what PM Communists are called) South Ireland. Then you may influence South Ireland to your heart's content.

Yank 01:25, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Berlin would love to invade Denmark (its not called Norway) with Wales. Want to strike next year (tomnight)? We are also planning on going to war with France soon and would love to partner with Wales. I also suggest you get cozy with Russia, as they are supporting Berlin right now. EzraNYC 18:39, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

That seems perfect to me.BAnd just to let you know Britian could invade you at any moment. You better watch out. EzraNYC 19:39, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

That seems like a very good idea. So, are we going to invade Denmark tonight? EzraNYC 19:54, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Yea, Russia already told me they want me to take over the two german states below me before an attack on the french. So i plan on vassilizing those 2 states soon, then we have the Scandinavian invasion tonight, and then I will also help you attack Britain/Ireland too if you so desire and we are succesful in our other attacks (we'll need Russia's help for that one which I think theyd be willing to do). After that we can go fo France. EzraNYC 20:26, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Yea, I was planning around 0:00 UTC which is 8PM EST. 0:00 UTC is when the new year starts.

So wait, you won't invade Denmark with me? Because we coild do it right now and i. Think we woild kill this guy EzraNYC 00:05, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, you can just add the next year yourself. Could you go ahead and do that cause my browser is messing up for some reqason right now.

Yeah i saw that. I will only accept it if they give me all of the denmark peninsula.

Alright. Yeah, my browser keeps bugging up.

Yep, agreed. EzraNYC 02:46, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, by the way, I invite you to join my new map game Without WW1 (Map Game). there's still a lot of powerful nations left. EzraNYC

Yep, I think theirs one more spot on there (you can look, mod sign ups are on the page [User:EzraNYC|EzraNYC]] 15:24, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Dude, you back stabbed me! You are also under an alliance with me! France cant go to war with us cause were under treaty! EzraNYC 17:53, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Just stay neutral and we'll be good. Sure thing; that sounds great. EzraNYC 19:24, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

That sounds good. Nah, no objections. I think I'll also give mods the power to edit maps at any time too in addition to the 2 primary mapmakers. Also, I think this European Council idea is good. I'd love to be one of the key nations in it. And about the war; I really dont want this to turn into a huge european war, I just want it to be between me and Denmark. France said that theyre going to ignore our treaty too which is not cool. I honestly cant back down at this point. I can not stand Denmark an Scraw. Its driving me insane. Sorry about all this. EzraNYC 22:46, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Wow man. Just, wow. EzraNYC 21:15, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

France and Britian would have NOT invaded you if you didn't invade us. Where did you get that idea? EzraNYC 21:23, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

...and you also tried to get me banned or something (I saw your post on the head-mods talk page). I do not know how many times I have to repeat this to people and its really pissing me of BUT I NEVER WAS DENMARKS ALLY! I NEVER AGREED TO ANYTHING! EzraNYC 21:27, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

No! I was just doing the EC for the sake of Europe and I thought is was a good idea for Europe now and always. EzraNYC 21:35, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Vietnam isn't France's ally! EzraNYC 21:43, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

France must be lying! The user of Vietnam even posted a section about how they wanted to take down France just a little back! EzraNYC 21:46, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

You and me both!!!! EzraNYC 21:52, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

I have no clue... EzraNYC 21:59, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Haha.... EzraNYC 22:10, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I will attend. HOWEVER, that does not mean I am ending this war or declaring peace. I am just talking. We are still at war. EzraNYC 11:34, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Well than you should've stayed the hell out of it. You didn't have to join this war you know, contrary to what you believe. EzraNYC 18:55, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Except for the little fact that YOU were planning with ME to invade Denmark but at the last second you backed out. EzraNYC 18:55, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Did France really agree to hand over all of it's German land (USG and Rhineland)? They were so apposed to it before the war. And yes, I would just take the Dannish controlled German land. If France is really agreeing to this than we can go ahead and start up the peace treaty. I won the war so I get to decide how long it last. I'll end it this year if we can come up with this peace treaty. EzraNYC 19:11, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, that sounds good. I'll start up a draft of the treaty and post it up. Haha, that sounds good. Hey, if I wanna vassalize or annex the two German countries to the south of me (Czechland and Breslau I think) do I have to invade them)? EzraNYC 19:23, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

OK, got it. EzraNYC 19:37, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Yea, it's actually quite easy. I'll break it down for you:

Berlin

 * Location: 4 (Because I was the one to invade a country AND it was nearby I get 4)
 * Tactical Advantage: 2 (I was the one that attacked)
 * Berlin (L), Austria (M), Dravidia (S), Keralans (SV), Sri Lanka (SV), Bharat (M), Onguayal (MV), Bihar (MV): 18 (L = Leader which gives you 4 points, S= Supplies which gives you 2 points, M = Military aid which gives you 3 points. V = Vassel/Puppet state which takes away one point)
 * Puppet States: 0
 * Motive: 5 (5 points because I invaded for political reasons
 * Expansion: 0 (no expansion within the last 10 years)
 * Military Expansion: 5 (I have dedicated 5 turs to military expansion in the last 15 years)
 * Chance: 1 (You take your edit count at the time of invasion and divide it by the product of every non-zero digit in the UTC time that you invaded. You then multiply that by Pi and take the recipricol.
 * Editcount=230
 * Time=2*3*5*5=150
 * Chance=230/150*pi=4.81
 * Stability: 4.3^1.25/1.25^4.3*2.5*7=41 (I have no clue how to do this and it is done by a special mod)
 * Total: 76

Denmark

 * Location: 5 (because they were the ones invaded)
 * Tactical Advantage: 0 (none)
 * Denmark (L), Shogunate of Kōshi (M), Republic of Kazami (MV), Eesti Vabariik (MV), Wales (M), France (S), Flanders (MV), USG (MV), Nubia (S): 23
 * Puppet States: 0
 * Motive: 10 (to protect themselves from my invasion)
 * Expansion: 0
 * Military Expansion: 2
 * Chance: 1
 * Editcount=4516
 * Time=2*1=2
 * Chance=4516/2*pi=7093.71
 * Stability: 2.5^1.25/1.25^2.5*2.5*7=31
 * Total: 69

Did that help? EzraNYC 19:44, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Edit count is the number at the top of your profile/talk page. I think yours is 356 (if I can remember right). Say you invaded a country at 19:50 UTC. You would multiply 1 * 9 * 5 but not zero. Then you take 356 and divide it by that product. EzraNYC 19:55, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Yes except that the chance would be four since it's 24.8'''4. '''I finished the treaty. Here: Treaty of Cardiff (Principia Moderni) EzraNYC 20:14, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

I don't want Flanders. They can keep that. I just didn't edit that on the map. Oh, I just figured I'd name it that because we never even held the meeting and that is a good place to sign the treaty. EzraNYC 20:25, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

You just add up all the point totals. EzraNYC 20:49, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Could you please try to convince France to give FULL control of USG and Rhineland to me. He's not going to do it. I don't know why not! He's France!!!! NOT GERMANY!!!! EzraNYC 20:59, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I don't want France and have no reason at all to every attack them if he gives me the rest of Germany. I just want a TRUELY unified Germany. 21:06, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I totally understand. EzraNYC 21:10, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Honestly, it depends. I mean for chance you can either give them 0 or the same as you. Other than that (and stability - which I can't do) its all normal. EzraNYC 22:18, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Scraw isnt accepting the treaty. Could yo please try to talk some sense into him? EzraNYC 22:56, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid he doesnt understand. Once you loose youve lost. He doesnt get to choose how long it goes on. Soon a mod will come and make the equation on how much of his land I can annex. Then the winner (me) gets to choose how long the war last. Please just become neutral, I really want to become allies. EzraNYC 00:20, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Alliance
As long as I get some territory(in southern scandinavia), you have an agreement. This will be a very good time to showcase my airforce-Lx (leave me a message) 19:35, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

No deal. You keep Finland and France out of this. Go to war with vietnam, Rusisa and Them arent on the best of terms, but do not attack france. let Berlin capture the rest of the German States first. You will not beat france. DO NOT ATTACK FINAND.-Lx (leave me a message) 19:57, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Then it seems good. I would like Southern Scandinavia/Sweeden.-Lx (leave me a message) 21:19, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

PM Help
The reason your not coloured in on the map is because we need to be sure your going to keep playing as easily distinguishable colours are running short on the map. By the time the next map is posted you'll have a colour.

Vietnam & its vassal state are your neighbours, now how you deal with them depends if you like living next door to them or if you want to evict them. Also Berlin is aiming to reunite germany so war against France is almost certain between them, albeit not too sure when it'll happen.

But as for expanding you'll probably end up doing this via war, which is governed by the war algorithm. If you want to win wars, you need the highest amount of points you can muster. For example, you'll want to amp up your military and have lots of allies. Maybe make a mock war algorithm to check if you'll actually win the war. Basically bide your time until you can get enough points to win a war. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:44, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

See I don't see the need for Wales to invade Denmark. They have no historical links in this game, and your algorthim score probably won't be high enough to annex much of Denmark anyway. For Wales I'd bide my time, building up my algorithm points before invading Britain and Ireland.

Founding a colony is a good idea, but North America is all carved up & the only place you could found a colony would be in the Arctic circle region of Canada to the north of Hudson's bay. Africa would be a better place to go and set up a colony. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 23:00, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

No, you can't just quit your country like that. Just amp up your military for a few years and invade Britain. I'm only in the position I am in now after (in-game) years of hard work, so just graff hard and prepare for war. Just bare in mind that it could take a while.

However if you really don't want to play as Wales, then you can always start a war you cannot win, and then Wales will be defeated and if you lose badly enough your former government gets overthrown and the victor can take over. Leaving you nation-less so you can go start a new somewhere else. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 23:17, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

I can do, but you'll have to wait until tomorrow. I'm off to bed soon. But have a go yourself while you wait, you can post it here and then I'll make one, and we can compare results and you can find out what's best for Wales. Plus being able to make your own algorithms is a big bonus, as you can easily see if your actions will bare the fruit you desire. And BTW no one enjoys making algorithms, they're a bit of a ball ache; most people say its cause their maths is bad but its not difficult maths used in them; the annoying bit is having to look through all the old posts to see if you've updated your military or expanded. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 23:32, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Well hey, nothing like a bit of simulated war for a bit of fun :) VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 23:49, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Well I can understand Berlin wanting the German territory which Denmark controls but the whole Dannish peninsula would just be straight up imperialism. Hhmmm, I agree with the invasion of Denmark but not the whole bloody Danish peninsula. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:45, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

ANY PM ALLIANCE OR TRADE NOTES GO HERE
France agrees that the war will only bring more economcial distability to Europe, and an alliance between both Wales and France is imperative. France has been an ally of Vietnam since I entered the game, with some moments of tense relations, specially since the war they both held in the XIX century. --Galaguerra1 17:17, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I can't sell you any of my colonies. But, if you want to invade some of my former colonies in south africa or make them vassals, I'd have no problem. Also, you could be interested in offering an alliance to Itsaygahi, as Wales formerly was a vassal of Itsaygahi. --Galaguerra1 17:48, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

You invade it an make a vassal government, or influenciate the government until it voluntarily becomes a vassal.

Let's take two different examples:

Centuries ago (in Game Time), both Arabia and Egypt were under the control of the Mamluk Sultanate. We organized a crusade to invade such sultanate and, when we finally conquered it, I decided I would give the arabians in my territory formal independence, organizing that territoties as a vassal.

Now, I'm currently trying to make Iraq a vassal of the Araiban Caliphate. In order to do so, I'll start by making treaties with such NPC nation every turn: non-agression pact, defense apcts, trading pacts... Then I'll jsut send emmgirants, troops, supplies, technology, resources,a nd other things to make that the population see me as necessary to them. Then, I'll just post "Iraq becomes an arabian vassal", or "The iraqi government is topples by supporters of the Araiban Caliphate". Then, Iraq will be formally independent, but under influence and control of Arabia. --Galaguerra1 18:21, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Denmark agrees, because we can't let Europe fall aprt both economically and politically. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:46, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. This is the project I've being wating a long time. I think it would be more like the European Union, if we're going to protect Europe. I'd like to have the Caribbean Federation into a Nato style organization. --Galaguerra1 22:00, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

THE EUROPEAN COUNCIL
Any notes regarding the EC please post here.

I created the new page European Council (Principia Moderni) for our ease. EzraNYC 02:25, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

THE EUROPEAN COUNCIL
It's actually his game, but sure, why not? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:04, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Wait, you're trying to get Denmark to back off? It should be the other way around, Berlin is the aggressor and Denmark is the defendant. Anyways, it doesn't matter, just glad we're all at peace now. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:37, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, whatever, peace is the important thing. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:42, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Operation Red Dawn (Map Game) created by Andr3w777 and DeanSims
Sure, what would you like? DeanSims 16:46, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

GREAT IDEA!!! ;) DeanSims 16:55, May 29, 2012 (UTC)



I think that covered everything. Although, I think you should remove rule #8 EzraNYC 18:41, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

You certainly can count on me. I'll support you in this. --Galaguerra1 01:55, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Britain will not attack you, at least I don't think so. It's better to become an ally of Yank. --Galaguerra1 02:12, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

I have seen the maps, I might have made a few maps. I think we have fixed everything, so we should be able to start the game up soon. TacoCopper

I wasn't talking about you, but EzraNYC. --Galaguerra1 21:38, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

My problem is that he could have asked nicely and I would have given it. But no, let's wage a war and destroy the world economy and introduce a Great Depression worldwide. A general rule of war: if your allies fight, side with the defender. Guten morgen! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:32, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

I said allies side with the defender because you asked me if Wales should have sided with Denmark. Wales is seen as an unwilling particpant honor-bound to help its ally. Guten morgen is good morning in German/Deutsch so II felt like saying it since this whole war is about Germany and whatnot. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:57, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

You might want to turn South Ireland into a puppet or vassal. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:42, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Afraid I can't accept. This war will go on until Berlin and its allies collapse economically. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:06, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Principia Moderni
I don't think either Vietnam or any of their client states has any reason to join the war. Also, a client state is a country that has become a subordinate of another country by various means. These countries usually follow the superior country's directives. An example of this concept are the Soviet Union's Warsaw Pact allies. To make North Ireland a client state means that you would have another country to play as.

Yank 00:42, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

That's just the invasion, not the war. Anywho, me and Ezra are in talks so hopefully this will end soon. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:55, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Sie sind aus Deutschland? awesome! Deutsch ist meine zweite Sprache. Meine Deutsche ist nicht gut. Whyd you come to America? EzraNYC 01:17, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

I know, twas just a joke. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:26, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Hey hey hey, I speak four languages! English, Spanish, French, and German. I take classes. It's really a working language for me. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:28, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Oh. Well, Hamburg was under French control if I am correct. Or American. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:29, May 31, 2012 (UTC)