User:Doctor261/Talk Page Archive 1

Fractured America
Welcome to the Wiki, I would like to invite you to join my new map game. I would advise selecting a portion of India and slowly expand. As the USA, I will protect your country. India has the greatest potential as of right now except for maybe Brazil, which could conquer all of South America in about a decade.

I hope you will join the game,

thanks, DeanSims 17:10, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Portugal is offered an alliance and membership in the World Economic Community. If accepted US troops will arrive in Portugal and help you conquer Spain and give you an empire, Spains Empire. By the way sign your messages please!

DeanSims 17:19, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

It can get annoying some times, but unlimited Diplomacy posts are allowed from now on. I strted this game, and I make the rules, within reason. The last guy who made a civil war map game got banned and kept making sockpuppets to try and stay on the wiki. He did it excessivly. It was his forst map game, but his 2 map games were the most popular ones for weeks or more at a time. Rebelsoldier is his name, dont end up like him, Ive been accused of being him, and I almost got banned unofficialy. Ask Lordganon about it. He'll fill you in. DeanSims 18:05, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

I mean accepting or offering alliances, trade deals, stuff like that. If something like say sending 20,000 troops to help your all in need when it is asked for, you can say in a Diplomacy Post that So and so's request for aid and troops is excepted and the troops are sent to that country, you cannot actualy have any offensives in diplomacy, so heres a hint,edit your first post to include what you need until its right.

DeanSims 18:11, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Fractured America
Please refer to my comment I made in the issues area. Spain never owned all of Morocco; that area was native Moroccan. Also, you can't capture a whole country in less than half a year, but I have expanded the Iberian colony for you. ChrisL123 18:27, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

How?


 * Morocco was originally a country inhabited by the native Moroccans. The Spanish later invaded the land and established . The French later took control of Morocco in the 1900s. In TTL, Iberia will have to invade most of Morocco to control it, but it will take a little while to do. ChrisL123 18:45, October 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * The thing was for Ethiopia. [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imperium Guy 19:26, October 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * It was to form an alliance with them!! ;) [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imperium Guy 19:29, October 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Done. ChrisL123 19:55, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

About message
I can't, sorry. Besides, it would could as spamming and can get banned for it. And 100 years back...you mean to 1901, right? Sure, I don't mind. Its your game, after all. -Kogasa 15:17, November 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay that's fine. Oh, and it is okay to maintain/help/contact/etc. outside countries (like Japan...?) or does the game only take place on the islands? -Kogasa [[Image:Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png|23px|border]][[Image:宮城県.png|23px|border]][[Image:Flag of Japan.png|23px|border]] 15:31, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Australia
I plan to declare independence in a couple of years.Scandinator 07:27, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, want an economic alliance??

I see you,ve joined Principia Moderni. A vast coalition of the world's powers are attacking Russia. This coalition is led by Sweden, me. Please choose the correct side.Scandinator 20:46, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Principia Moderni
Welcome to the game! Basically the map reflects most of it. The Ottoman Empire and Mamluk Sultanate dominated the Middle East. The Ottomans then fell to Venice, Hungary, Russia, and Persia, and the Mamluks are in civil disarray. The major power centers are Europe ans East/Southeast Asia. Most people are colonising small coastlines. Russia is expected to lead industrialization and has just begun in 1700. Glad you are interested in joining! Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:17, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Attacker's advantage gives one point to the attacker. Also, I have no idea who should win the war. I am just here to ensure that Scandinator and LxCaucassus work this out among themselves. The question is not who wins the war but how to foster a creative community spirit. Sounds corny I know but it's true. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 05:28, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

If that is the case, then keep uninvolved and create alliances and upgrade your country's military. The game is set up so that you don't have to worry about being completely killed from the game. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 05:44, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Glad you're interested. That is an interesting choice of country, and I am eager to see what you will do with it.

I guess I got lucky when I took over the game, but the main success is the amount of effort the players have put into it, and that we haven't had too many implausibilities, and barely any heated arguments until recently. So anyway Hanthawaddy will offer alliance because Hanthawaddy has interest in regional power. I suppose you want to make a deal over the port of Aden? Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 06:18, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

I know, but I'm kind of busy with school right now and I only have so much time I can dedicate to this game. Current wars is not a big deal, it can just go on the talk page. Current alliances are on-your-honor and go on your country page (e.g. Hanthawaddy (Principia Moderni)).

Exactly what would you be willing to offer for the port city of Aden? It has recently come under Mon rule after the Ottomans lost their coastline, and it has proven invaluable as a means of trading with the Middle East for Hanthawaddy.

Well it's a bit late here so good night. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 06:33, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

I've uploaded your stability stats and your doing pretty good for a start up position.Scandinator 09:59, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

helo, Russia here, will you please give me support, i mean, i can give you much more than sweden, what i ask is what will it take to gain you support?LxCaucassus 23:18, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

About your article, Yemen has been ruled by the Rasulid dynasty since 1229, so that is what you must make clear in your article, because I am pretty sure Russia was never involved. Also, I need something more permanent than a few troops and a bit of wheat. What Hanthawaddy would mainly be interested in is investment: special rights to the ports and the incense trade. Hanthawaddy also requests to allow Mons in Aden to practice Buddhism, and a possible marriage of the royal family of Chandrajit and the Yemeni royal family? Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 00:42, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Imperial Officers
Welcome to the Wiki Doctor, and thank you for your interest in Napoleon's World.

I made it OI because in French, Imperial Officers translates to Off'iciers Impériaux, which would be abbreviated OI.

KingSweden 07:28, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Yemen
Which part of "decided against it (going at war with Yemen)" did you not understood, what did you meant with "do not join the dark side", and finally, why did you erased my comment on your post three turns ago?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 15:42, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

When you said that you was trying to receive independence from the nearby empires, i put "Yemen already exists.exist, on the sense that it is not part of any empire currently.".then you erased it.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 19:39, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Help Yeman on another game?
Fancy becoming the Yemen on [http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Axis_vs_Allies_Revised_(Map_Game) Axis vs Allies Revised (Map Game)? ] Aden and Scotra Island is up fro grabs and you could declare north and south Yemen independent from Hindustan. The game needs more players to.82.11.86.136(AKA Billy)

Yeman has got partial indipendece (see the map on AvA (r).).82.11.87.156 02:54, November 6, 2011 (UTC)AKA Billy

I'm sending troops to your aid.86.29.76.198 17:35, November 6, 2011 (UTC)AKA Billy

I'm no longer controlling Yemen. It's Soviet Union time! Doctor261 17:39, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

I will take advantage of the change and bloodlesly take over Yemen, now Vladimir has gone to Russia, and once the USSR is up and running give Yemen to the Soviets (AKA in a short time, you will have both).86.29.76.198 20:15, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

USSR
The basic history of the ATL USSR is as follows-
 * 1) Peace up until 1937
 * 2) Crushed the Baltic nation's invasion of 1937
 * 3) Invaded Poland and had a small conflict with Finland in 1938 or 1939
 * 4) A minor war with Hindustan China and Japan in the early 1940's
 * 5) Crushed Poland, Slovakia, Germany and Hungary in the mid 1940's
 * 6) A nuclear war with Finland from 1947 to 1952.Leningrad and several Scandinavian and Karelinan towns were nuked.
 * 7) Enslaved Scandinavia and anexed Kurdistan in the early 1950's
 * 8) Romania was parttioned arfter a civil war in the early 1950's.
 * 9) Crushed in Germany by Austria in the late1950's
 * 10) Collapsed, the T'zar returned, Khrushchev brought in reforms and was liquidated by the British, the communists won an election and rebuilding took centre stage under a continuing communist state run by Chenyenko between 1958 and 1966.
 * 11) The Soviets are fairly OTL on Space travel and weapons tech.86.29.76.198 20:01, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * 12) Yugoslavia, the URA and Italy were frendly and fought the enamys of the old USSR

Your flags were officially changed over on the game.86.29.76.198 20:47, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Peaceful Democracy Page
Sure, I'll joinEnclavehunter 14:23, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Can you add it, please. It's on the southern tip of Astypalia, the long island that's at the far rightEnclavehunter 15:14, November 5, 2011 (UTC).

USAEnclavehunter 15:19, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Oh. I get it now.Enclavehunter 15:25, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. I think I fixed everything. How's America look now?Enclavehunter 15:36, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

RT
I've played from the beginning. As for mod-in-chief, we still have Kunarian in that position, with me and Crimson managing Radioactive Tide. :D Imperium Guy 14:38, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Well, there is no impossible tech, aircraft are 1920s and guns are aroung WWI era. The intro is:

"Radioactive Tide is a map game where Humans never went into technological dark ages and advanced much faster due to this, advanced civilisations found a way to pass on their technology and scientists that would have died before making a discovery were not. This caused humans to reach a peak of technology at around 1300 AD, but unfortunately a few centurys after humans managed to almost destroy themselves completely. Luckily however the earth survived albiet a little radiated and scarred in places. Now humans reappear on the surface and once more begin their struggle for dominance through military, economy, politics and technology using the rediscovered technology of times past. The lessons of the past have been forgotten and the humans of the present need you to lead them into the future. Only time will show who is worthy of earth."

Therefore, in our years, the year is 1680. Anything else? :D Imperium Guy 14:49, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Well, for RT, the technological dark ages don't happen, and humans reach the pinnacle of tech around the 1300s, destroyng themselves bu 1304.

In AvAr, become the UAIR, much more land as well as it being oil rich. On Hindustan's history, even I lost track ages ago!! :D Imperium Guy 16:03, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

"Roleplay"
Oh jeez, I thought you really meant it, lmao. Gullible me. But I honestly don't know how the algorithm works, which is why I tried to avoid them in Axis vs Allies Revised. You should probably talk to LxCaucassus or CrimsonAssassin or LurkerLordB or something. ChrisL123 18:17, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Right Doc, don't lay as Yemen anymore, I am about to crush your little mutiny. You should play as the UN protectorade, the UAIR which is actually a puppet of Hindustan. It is a better choice to play as that because those areas are more oil rich and it has a lot more land. :D Imperium Guy 14:56, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Yemen is not a province, but a state of Hindustan, treated equally with everybody else. Most of the populace will not support you as they are living in peace and with a good standard of life. We are not imperialists, we are just crushing a rebel movement. Imperium Guy 15:23, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

I don't play PM, only AvAr. :D Imperium Guy 15:26, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Billy got it wrong, what I am telling you that is that the UN protectorade is actually the UAIR, a puppet of Hindustan. It is not a UN protectorade in reality. :D Imperium Guy 15:30, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Well, Britain, Australia and New Zealand, Canada, and the USSR out of other things are open. There a heaps of countries playable!! :D Imperium Guy 15:33, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

About message
I accept. So there-fore I can also make up events too? -Kogasa 12:28, November 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * No, not at all, I can help. And the table is kinda easy to use, once you get the hang of it so don't worry. ^^ -Kogasa [[Image:Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png|23px|border]][[Image:宮城県.png|23px|border]][[Image:Flag of Japan.png|23px|border]] 12:48, November 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Though, on the first battle, who do you want to win or is it basically a stalemate that leads to the next battle? Also I added most of the info in the war info-box but don't know how many people are there to participate and the casualties... -Kogasa [[Image:Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png|23px|border]][[Image:宮城県.png|23px|border]][[Image:Flag of Japan.png|23px|border]] 13:04, November 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * So basically the Soviet Union will move through Europe and then launch an attack at the us itself? Or will the Soviets stop at some point within Europe? -Kogasa [[Image:Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png|23px|border]][[Image:宮城県.png|23px|border]][[Image:Flag of Japan.png|23px|border]] 14:16, November 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay then. And All of it? Including Scandinavia, Iceland and Finland? Even Switzerland (though I do not see a reason for them to attack there, as the Swiss have a neutral policy)? -Kogasa [[Image:Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png|23px|border]][[Image:宮城県.png|23px|border]][[Image:Flag of Japan.png|23px|border]] 14:21, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Never mind on what I said. Ignore it. -Kogasa [[Image:Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png|23px|border]][[Image:宮城県.png|23px|border]][[Image:Flag of Japan.png|23px|border]] 14:35, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

AvAr
France's user quits Axis vs Allies Revised (Map Game) and gives his nation to the Soviet Union's controler.82.18.194.62 05:47, November 11, 2011 (UTC)AKA Billy

Why yes I shall join, both of them for that matter :) VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 17:39, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Greater Europe.
Okay.Enclavehunter 17:55, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Do you want me to add my self to the map.Enclavehunter 18:06, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

If you want, I'd be willing to act as a mod for Greater Europe. I wouldn't be playing, so I would be impartial. Azecreth 20:53, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yemen
Sure I can. You also want me to add more of the history of Yemen as well (from the game of course)? -Kogasa 11:43, November 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay then, it is complete. I also added headers based on what is required from the rules (see here for more details) and with some, I don't know how you want so I leave it up to you (like subdivisions and government) I also added a country template as well. :] -Kogasa [[Image:Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png|23px|border]][[Image:宮城県.png|23px|border]][[Image:Flag of Japan.png|23px|border]] 12:03, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

DD
No, it's not like the map games. There are many rules about contributing, and things that must be done - in addition to it being approved by the community - among other things.

Yes, you can contribute your own country. But, much of the world is already gone over, and said nation must be plausible. Any areas in mind?

So many events happen so often so fast that I can't even begin to tell you them. What I can say is that you need to run by the strike list, and probably the nation lists, too.

If you get something in mind, run it by me first - may help you in the long run, lol.

Lordganon 01:06, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Ohhhh yeah. Havana is very much a pile of radioactive slag. As is Santiago de Cuba (though not Guantanamo, go figure....)

Well, it really depends on where your interests lie. There's still large areas of Africa where you can work, and a fair amount of room in Asia. Some room exists in Europe, but almost nothing in North America. No room at all in Oceania or South America. There's also a lot of surviving areas referred to in various places - towns, really - that nothing has been written about yet, either.

Or, you could well ask the author of an article if you can add a bit to it, though that probably won't get you much. Heck, you can write about people, your favorite hobbies, sports, companies... the list goes on.

Lordganon 14:11, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Well, a lot of that will depend on where and what, but sure.

You can find the article on Crime here. It's an article that you can contribute to as you wish, though it has to pass plausibility checks.

Lordganon 14:25, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Well, there really isn't much in that direction right now.

First off, you have the Sicilian Mafia. Also, there is the MLA.

Past that, terrorists are referred to in the Piedmont article, as well as scattered newsbits out of Aralia and Siberia, which you'll have to look through all of them - starting here - to find.

My Chechnya article also goes into some of this - it's kind of a cross between a terrorist group and a country.

Past that, you'd have to hunt around.

Lordganon 14:48, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Looks all right to start with. Just remember to post it on the proposal section of the main DD talk page. Lordganon 15:37, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

GE
I have Mongolia added in China in spring or summer. Its not there on the map. Can you add it please? ;D Imperium Guy 12:38, November 18, 2011 (UTC)#

Cool, Ta!! :D Imperium Guy 12:59, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

I don't get it. :/ Imperium Guy 13:09, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

On the map, it wasn't Tibet which joined but Mongolia. :D Imperium Guy 13:11, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for taking so long to get back to you.

You had almost double my points in the war, so I think its safe to say the Yugoslav army was slaughtered and their country open for anything the italians have in mind. Effectively, Yugoslavia is out of the game.

But I'm ok with this. I'll take another country or drop out. No hard feelings bro. Michael Douglas 15:17, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Can yo update the map and add Iceland. Michael u can take Czechoslovkia. Westsylvania 15:21, November 18, 2011 (UTC)Westsylvania

Re:Mamluks
Yeah, it's harder-to-conquer, but not by a huge margin, because the country is deeply divided at the moment. I'm not sure if you would get anything out of expanding in the Rub-al-Khali, but you can definitely expand north along the coast. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:53, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

I am helping you out against France in the war. DeanSims 15:58, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Would Iberia like to annex all of the United States and its Empire?

DeanSims 16:00, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Im staying on the Wiki, screw Vonguesenburg. I am at war with the UK in FA, please help and you will be given my gains from the French, agaisnt which I helped you. I need Iberian troops to distract the UK in Europe and in North America. I have turned the CAS into the United Sates of Central America and given them the Britsh Central American colonies. Part of my Indonesian colony will be given to you as well.

DeanSims 16:43, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

PS: From now on when I am not postong on the map games, you can post for me from now on so I dont get screwed over for being "implausable".

thanks

DeanSims 16:44, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

The USA offers Union to Iberia as the United States of EARTH, I give you all of my moderaotr powers and game creator status on Fractured america. except for one map game, im done with the wiki and am destroying all of my timelines.

DeanSims 17:44, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

WHAT? DeanSims 18:46, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

WUT DO U MEAN?

Thats what everyone on this wiki wants.

DeanSims 18:54, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Fine I will stop. I am giving you access to my website. I want your help on it.

DeanSims 18:57, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

nevermind

Empire
You've got yourself a nice little empire in Fractured America, dam you, lol!! :D Imperium Guy 19:53, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Add Russia to the equation and thngs are very different!! :D Imperium Guy 19:56, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Be alert in map games, if you are, you are fine!! :D Imperium Guy 20:01, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Fractured America
What? Wut u mean I'm a spy? We talkin about a map game or something? I'm confuzzled VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 16:08, November 20, 2011 (UTC)==

Your sense of humour alludes me XD VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 16:19, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

AVA(r)
Ascareth and Lx Caucaus left after the USSR was attacked. Sadly it's a inermitantly occering trend. 86.16.4.203 10:28, November 20, 2011 (UTC) AKA Billy (The BMSPG).

Ethopia and Japan get it to. It's siclical.82.27.31.43 20:03, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

States of America 3
Thanks for joining States of America 3 (Map Game), you can post on all of the turns that have already occured since the game just started. I will add Cuba to the map.

DeanSims 16:37, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

i havnt invaded or expanded yet, and expansion is allowed at the start of next turn (1940), so I am witing for next turn. DeanSims 17:11, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

here is the algorithm, can you uncross my post now? DeanSims 18:02, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

I made an algorithm, its on the talk page. if it is ok could you tell me and uncross my post?

thanks

DeanSims 18:32, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Could you fix it please, i wasnt trying to cheat, I was trying to do it using the base template and example.

DeanSims 19:36, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment. You make the best map games=)Enclavehunter 06:23, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Reporting
There is technically a spot assigned for it, though it isn't used - just leave any such notes on my page. Lordganon 17:31, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

The rules are absolute in that regard. The amount of time you've been on other wikis has absolutely no standing whatsoever. And, may I add, you cannot nominate yourself. Lordganon 17:53, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Idea for an map game
Hello. I have an idea for an map game. It takes place on North and South America, where Europeans never discovered North and South America until much, much later. By then, North and South America are dominated by numerous tribes and empires. This will include the Aztecs, Incas, Mayans, and Olmecs. And as soon as North America is full, I would expand the game to full world, where all other countries are modernized. Do you think it can work?Enclavehunter 01:24, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

What do you propose?Enclavehunter 02:50, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Greater Europe
Hello, I dont mean to be rude but I dont believe that what I did wasnt anything that big. I mean, fine I may have redone the chance but that was only because I erased most numbers on the old algorithm and replaced what needed to be replaced. I dont want to be rude, but you denied the Ottomans: 1. their bonus population points(as they have same digits but more population than Persia), got rid of the motive, that should usualy be Political for invaders, and will rarely be economic, and forgot to add the combattants/aid for persia, witch I did do. What may have been tempting is the Ajudiciation of undeveloped military, but that, as you may recall was already there and I, Seeing as you didnt do much with it, and didnt cross the -2 for outdated military out, saw it to be an unfinished ajudiciation, as it is not a thing in the algorithm, so I simply put a +2 in Ottoman to amke it a ful ajudiciation. I cant stress enough that I am not trying to be rude. The thing that I would agree that I shouldnt have mabe done os erase the old chance for Persia, I left the ottoman one be becuause the math woked. I was not trying to make anybody win, if you look at it from my perspective, you may be trying to make ottoman loose, but I realise that you may just be as innocent feeling as me in this matter so I am not making any accusations of bias. I actualy could change the wording of the ajudiciation(and was planing to do so), a''s presia not havivng decent governing tactics, outdated military strategy because of lack of contact, and outdated air vehicles, giving turks air supremacy. ''Once again, I emphisize that I was in no way trying to insult or accuse you of anything, just speak my mind about a oncsensical unmoding. I do realize it is hyour game and that ou will have superme power over it, and other than this paragraph, will not argue my case, but, however, I would very much like to hear back.-Lx (leave me a message) 03:35, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

I'm very sorry to say this but you have no grasp of reality concerning wars. I was not, I repeat was not biased to the turks, I couldnt care les about who wins. Why would brazil care? other than them being communist, and rebels being communist, I see no reason why I could care. I'm sorr if I'm insulting you but you have no grasp of reality concerning wars. Do we realy have to institute a percentage based gain system like in Principia Moderni? or can we continue using the sysetem. Persians would have to cross the mountainous steppes of Asia minor, and somehow are able to do that, while subduing a larger population that them at the same time, somehow I doubt that there will be no guerrila fights in turkey, although they wouldntbe so common in greece and bulgaria...Point is, All I would have given the PErsians for that Victory is mabe all an advance up untill Mersin in the south and Samsun in the north, Not, I may add, the mountainuous regions of the balkans, All of asia minor, and beond? I think of this as being valid reason for reinstatement, not it seems that you are he one doing everything in your power to make the Turks loose, not me making them win, even if they did I would only have let them take up to 100km off the border, not very much of a victory. I once again appoligise as I would very much not like ot insult you, but The result of the war was just you absolute lack of grip over the reality of war and advancement of armies, especialy the mostly desert-trained armies of PErsia advancing into Asia Minor and the BAlkans, once more, I my apologies if I were being rude in any way.-Lx (leave me a message) 13:29, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Are you serious? Are yoiu sure that this happens in the place of a year. yes, a year...and are you sying that desert people from persia could conquer the mountains ads steppes of the Balkans and Asia minor, I mean, hye couldnt even do it in the time of the greek city states...I know you may disrespect my nationality(Russian, and proud of it) for taking over your country in the past but thats no reason to spill it all out on me! Realy? It ma seem ot you that I made Turkey win, But it realy seems to me that you have something against them, As I reiterated, rad my fist and second posts, and what I wrote, THIS HAPPENS IN THE TIMESPACE OF A YEAR!!!!!!!! NOT...whatever, just...I'll leave you with you accusations, but I did not want Turkey to win, I dont give a &$(% if they di, I mean, what does it give me, extra Gs on my xbox? I believe that you actualy have lost you grip on reality concerning wars, sad, but true-Lx (leave me a message) 13:45, November 28, 2011 (UTC).

"And IF you have no idea who is about to win, then don't change anything", looks like clear proof that you want somebody to win...and that somebody isnt Turkey...It also looks like a threat too...I appoligize if you are insulted in any way by any of my comments...I actualy am.-Lx (leave me a message) 13:47, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

SO wait, you think if a somebody controling nation invades another for no other reasons, that somebody deserves to be destroyed by force of godmodding, is that what youre saying? Then may I ask, why is BRazil still esisting and not completely taken over by bolivia ? Is an 8-point victory now mening complete and utter distruction of a state in a year? because it sure looks like it. You godmod the Ottoman war and you let the brazilian war and German wars go free? That is the exact definition of hypocracy, No cross, No crown.-Lx (leave me a message) 16:22, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Map
I did not added your expansion turns to the map because: 1 - with your tendence of expanding northeast.expanding northeast is basically expanding on Mamluk territory.so, i would add your changes on the next map. 2 - expandign northeast by the coastline?there is no way of expanding northeast by the coastline. there is expanding east by the coastline, but this is a different thing.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 13:55, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

true.even then, you see, the states that you are expanding into are nodal states there clearly would be resistance.this is not like Russia expanding into Siberia.we would need a algorythm for at least Jysan (if this is the name of the state that you were invading some time ago).--Collie Kaltenbrunner 15:07, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

A state with no rulers, is a anarchy.if they were anarchies, they would be dark grey, and not grey.this is meanign that these are nodal states.there probably is a ruler, and resistance will happen.given the state of the region at the time, small, but would happen.if no algorythms are used, at least mention that you are at war.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 15:12, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Yes. those states can't keep control over the entirety of their nations.there will be areas easy to take. their cities will be more difficult.in states like those, you can simply declare war, combat for a few years, eventually annex then if your army is strong enough, without needing to do a algorythm.i did it often before we started to use algorythms more often.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 15:28, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

No.the only maps i can find are those of the First Saudi State, and they are superimposed over present-day borders.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 15:58, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Doc, it was reconned by the mod, me. It was implausible. It is there on the page. He's still got time (10-20 yrs) until he crashes into you. :D Imperium Guy 19:19, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Then I should find you sometime soon. :D Imperium Guy 19:39, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

I will!! :D Imperium Guy 20:29, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Iberian Army
I'm glad in to help. ;) Regards! --Katholico 16:17, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

Vandals
Thanks for the note, though as an fyi, I do look through the entire edit list each day, so I do notice all of these things on my own ;) Lordganon 23:46, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

Canada (Greater Europe)
Hey, I noticed that Canada in Greater Europe has annexed Greenland, Haiti, and Thailand. To me, this dosn't seem plausible. Is it?Enclavehunter 22:59, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Enclavehunter, also there haven't been any algorithms for these invasions. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 02:29, December 4, 2011 (UTC).

Re:Greater Europe
I did not do that. I swear. I did post an edit on the autumm page and when I cam back, it was gone! Besides, I never supported Canada' claims as well. Please, I swear. I never did this. RandomWriterGuy 19:03, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Lol, how very dare you! lol jk, I took it off Kenney or someone anyway VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 16:29, December 5, 2011 (UTC).

I like it, but I've got my own time line which I barely work on. So I don't want to increase my work load any more. We could make it a collaborative time line if you want & we do it together, and with some other ppl? VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 17:37, December 6, 2011 (UTC).

Sure. You just wnat me to put it at the top? Azecreth 15:04, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

LX! That's who I got my signature from. I remember now :P <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 19:48, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Lololol XD <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 13:58, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

I don't involve myself with the map games unless I have to intervene. If you need a neutral voice, just ask me and I'll give a ruling. But I have neither the time nor the desire to moderate it/do events, and won't touch an algorithm. Lordganon 15:14, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

As a goal of a Romanian state, I can buy it, somewhat. But to say that even half of the populace could be absorbed is insanity. Lordganon 06:40, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

I think it'll complicate the game a bit too much. I'd say bring something as game changing as that in a new game, cause you risk just confusing all the current players. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 19:51, December 14, 2011 (UTC).

Tell us if you do make a map game with it in though, cause I think it would be most interesting, especially if you have it during 1800s where colony trade was all the rage, <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 16:17, December 15, 2011 (UTC).

Well, Japan had a civil war from 1943 spring to 1945 winter. And rebuilding can't take three years to complete, it takes much longer for everything to be rebuilt... sorry if I keep doing the same thing, but rebuilding takes years... -Kogasa 17:17, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

A civil war can cause structural damage, even if both forces are not even going for the buildings the buildings get some or allot of damage in the process.... Any way, I'll stop the rebuilding and go with other actions then. -Kogasa 19:09, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

This is an simple suggestion for Greater Europe: An UN page. We can have an security council, an assembly. What do you think.Enclavehunter 02:42, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

What do you think of this: UN (Greater Europe)

Enclavehunter 06:56, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

In Your Professional Opinion. ..
Hey Doc, I've been making the algo's for a few wars in Fractured America lately, and I was wondering, in your mod-tastic opinion whether or not the US and Japan should have their own Algo's or should one be the ally of the other, in this current war for Australia, here.

Jazon Naparleon 22:53, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

Martinsson Crime Family
What's the story here, Doc? Lordganon 08:28, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Doc?

Lordganon 08:58, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

More like "Is it done?" "Are you working on it?" "Is there an overall point to it yet?"

Basically, you just kind of left it.

Lordganon 10:05, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Really Doc, that's good to hear, though doesn't explain no response to notes left about it lol.

But, at this time, in still needs improvements to become canon. Nothing in particular, mind, but... there's really just not enough there to do it, if that makes any sense at all.

Lordganon 10:14, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Looking into the Mafia and other crime organizations would likely give you ideas.

Past that, a bit more on their activities, rumors, and actions against them would be good. Maybe something important as well, to make them "matter," so to speak.

Maybe link them with the Sicilian Mafia in some form - and a crackdown on them in and around the time of the Second Sicilian War to go with it.

Lordganon 14:29, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Cripplation
No worries, I know it's a bit lengthy. :) Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 05:34, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to PM!
Hey Doc, welcome back to the wiki from your long break! So, I see that you have established a kingdom in Australia. That is good, and I will tell you that you will be able to expand 10,000 sq km every year. However, this can only happen if there is continous immigration into your country.

I see that you have also asked Sweden for help, a very good move as they are a very powerful nation. However, you must keep in mind that Sweden has no colonies in Australia and no major influence on the landmass itself. If you want your country to be secure, you are going to need to ask for trading and help from nations which have colonies or a large influence on the continent. These are Bharat (me) and Nippon (Von) who either have colonies (me) or a large influence in the form of former colonies (Von). We could help you grow into a power and give you funding to industrialize. Bear in mind that you will have to make cricket your national sport. ;)

So, back to the issue of immigration. If you allow Bharatis to come and live in your kingdom, you will have a continous chain of people entering your country and you can expand 200px every year. Deal? :D Imperium Guy 12:10, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

At a time when I wasn't playing the game, lol! But after a bit of searching, the year I found out was 1784, when the Swedes sailed up the Thames to threaten the Nobles to join with them as they needed food. :/ Imperium Guy 12:48, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I know! So would this position for the Australian kingdom be good for the map. If yes, I'll then show it to Collie. :D Imperium Guy 13:14, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, that good that you like the map, lol! For uniting Australia, I think you should first just expand your country then think about uniting Australia post-WWII in a Federation. :D Imperium Guy 17:55, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, lol! :D Imperium Guy 18:03, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

BTW, in 1877, post that your nation expanded 10,000 sq km to gain land. Keep on doing this every year and watch your nation grow!! BTW, don't forget to mention Bharati immigrats come to your country as well (probably around 5,000 in the first year!!). :D Imperium Guy 16:56, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

MP
Mamluks sound good Bobalugee1940 12:38, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

I love what you have started with MP. If you need help don't hesitate to shout! Scandinator (talk) 17:19, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

I have not actually played Europa Universalis 3 but I read up on the game and I've played many similar ones like Victoria II, Total war series etc. I will be getting EU3 ASAP. I love the look. Scandinator (talk) 22:50, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Sure. By the way, after seeing the pictures you posted and doing a little research on my own. I have decided to buy the game on Wedenesday :D It looks great. Scandinator (talk) 04:44, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Done! I also ordered them in alaphbetical order. My suggestion is to combine the pages into one large data page to allow easier access to other nation's stat and to make it easier for us. If you wish I could set it up now. And I must get Hearts of Iron as well. ALL OF THE PROCRASTINATION! Scandinator (talk) 04:54, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

All right then. I would argee this current method looks better but to update the pages will take a lot of effort. Too bad I'm always up for a challenge :P Thanks for the warning about Athens and Crete. Scandinator (talk) 05:00, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for not advising you beforehand, but i have just joined this Medieval Plague Map Game as Portugal.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 15:56, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

How did Venice and Aragon got those map screenshots?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:30, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

I know, the problem is that i don't have the game, and even if i had, i am not sure if i could take those screenshots.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:05, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

But apparently, i need the information of how many armies are there, for the same reasons.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 10:22, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

I already made. i was waiting for that info to complete it.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 15:30, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I argee with you on the treasury system. This new one is a lot more simple Scandinator (talk) 22:56, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to suggest combining the PC and NPC actions and grouping them by year. e.g. 1399 Dec PC then NPC; 1400 Jan PEC then NPC, .etc otherwise it will be too hard to use as the game progresses. Scandinator (talk) 12:41, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Scandinator (talk) 12:56, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Done. Also an fyi. I'm getting the game tomorrow :D. If you need help with the map game dont hesitate to ask. I also suggest building a mod section to identify you as the creator and mod of the game and also explaining how conflicts work. Scandinator (talk) 13:14, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Sure I understand the reasoning. Also did you know you have been nominated for costable position on the wikia? Congrats! Scandinator (talk) 13:20, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, Doc. I forgot. I posted again for France in February. Thanks for reminding me! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:59, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know exactly what to do except for army building, and since i'm not in war, what can i do?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 16:28, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, i just noticed that we only research land units. what about sea units? Oh, and, if you want to advance to a new tech level, how do you know how many ducats are you investing?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 16:34, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Nominations
Doc, that was not only improper in many ways, but also against the nomination rules. I have removed it. Lordganon 14:49, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

....It says it all big and fancy in the nominating rules right above where you put that. Lordganon

...And not being able to vote for yourself is literally the rule on the line right below the one about nominating yourself. Lordganon 15:44, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Doc, you really need to read that page before you make more nominations. Lordganon 03:36, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

MP
Err, I was waiting for you to put treasury or whatever next to mine and for the nation page... PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 19:44, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

I still play, but I agree this map game doesnt have the stuff like PM to succeed. Scandinator (talk) 05:48, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

Huh?
What are you on about, I sent you ships full of food in 1890 (In PM), go look at my diplomatic post under your post!! :P Imperium Guy 13:40, May 7, 2012 (UTC)H

Hey Doc, I saw the flag you have for the Kingdom of Australia and thought I might show you this one. I played around with your flag and added elements of the modern Australian flag. Tell me if you like it. Its not got the windows, but its got the room, although I changed its colours a bit, lol. :D Imperium Guy 15:03, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

I can even give you the meaning of the flag if you want!! :D Imperium Guy 15:04, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Tibia
Yes, why do you ask? Lordganon 08:05, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

Supposed to be better, though we can't get ME over here so I can't say for sure 100% since I've never played it.

Freebies have access to most of the content, in one form or another.

The Tibiawiki - there's a link on my page - would be very informative of such things.

Lordganon 08:15, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

PM division of Australia
Please be aware that your nation is infringing on the territorial claims of Nippon. Please have a look at the map (second one down) to see the division of Oceania between nations. I'm sure you didn't mean it ;D <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:11, May 11, 2012 (UTC).

Well I just want the two peninsulas in the north for Nipponese colonies (as the map shows) other than that I don't mind where you go. Besides those colonies had been there before your country came into being so Nippon has a stronger claim to the land. You'll have my support in other matters if you agree, and there's still plenty of land to expand inwards for. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 09:28, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

But establishing claims to territory and then taking them over is the norm for this game, and most OTL colonization too. Nippon just wants what they've claimed on the map, <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 09:40, May 11, 2012 (UTC).

Everyone was invited, hence everyone is taking part in the Constantanople Conference as it concerns border agreements for the entire world. Don't be that guy, <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 10:26, May 11, 2012 (UTC).

Trolling?
Where was I trolling? -- 12:46, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

That is a question I would like to ask too. There's no reason to accuse him of being a troll or ban-evader. LurkerLordB (Talk) 15:47, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

It's best you state your reasons before publicly accusing people of being trolls who are evading their bans. Calling people that for no reason would be insulting to them. Currently, your only reason you gave to LordGanon was that his posted that the Netherlands attacked Bulgaria, and he joined a map game right away. You know that there is such a thing as lurking on forums and wikis, looking at them without editting/posting, before actually joining? That would explain why someone would know what was going on right when they joined. (that's not the origin of my username, it's from Jak and Daxter as that was the first wiki I joined). LurkerLordB (Talk) 15:54, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

Your post:

Title: Another troll at the community. (You immediately call him a troll, you cannot deny that you did not do so.)

Can you take care of Intrudgero98 guy? (you tell LordGanon to take care of Intrudgero98, presumably by suspending him)

I mean, who would ever write: The Netherlands:  The Netherlands builds up its forces forces and attacks Bulgaria. (Your evidence 1: He makes a post that has a problem because it repeats a word, about a nation attacking another. Which isn't trollish at all)

And also who would ever write in Map Games Ideas without ever playing it :/ ( I already explained this)

Are you serious? (I don't know what this is, but appears to be attempting to incrimidate Intrudgero98 further)

He's probably one of ban-evaders. (you accuse him of being a ban invader, despite no evidence)

Keep an eye on him. (you say to keep an eye on him, because you accuse him of being a troll)

The title of thise section immediately accuses him of being a troll. You later accuse him directly of being an alt-evader. You clearly did call him a troll, and to say otherwise is a lie. If you have any non-baseless reasons to accuse him, tell me now. Otherwise, apoligize to Intrudgero for randomly insulting him and making baseless accusations. LurkerLordB (Talk) 16:50, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

That behavior, and similar that you've done, is wrong, Doc. You need to apologize. Lordganon 05:39, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

I am afraid you do not know what a troll is, because last time I checked, being slightly implausible is not the same thing as a troll. In fact, it isn't implausible at all, because from looking at the map in that map game, the Netherlands and Bulgaria are on opposite sides in a war As that is all of your flimsy "evidence", it is clear that your accusation is totally and utterly baseless, and you do need to apoligize. Posting mini-rants on my talk page and deleting comments that make you look bad do not help your case. LurkerLordB (Talk) 11:10, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

If defending seemingly innocent users against baseless and insulting accusations is your definition of "bad", I wonder what your definition of "good" is. Furthermore, LordGanon totally agreed with me, and you immediately conceded to his opinion. I do not know what your problem is today, but the closest to any trolling I've seen here recently has come from you. Insulting me and other users for no reason and deleting talk page comments is unacceptable. LurkerLordB (Talk) 20:42, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Articles
They aren't bad, Doc. Though, you really need to remove the FBI line, in the one.

The problem, mind, is that there is still really no connections, or a reason for the article, if that makes any sense. More simply, what is it about these guys that makes them important enough to have their own articles? Or even articles at all?

Lordganon 10:28, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

No, what I said was that areas where you could do new ones are slightly limited ;)

Yeah, I'd guessed that you were interested in that kind of thing.

Like I said, though - why do these guys "matter," so to speak?

Lordganon 10:46, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Can you please contuinue Medieval Plague. I will play and maybe we could revive it? Willster22 23:50, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

I don't exactly know, as i also am suffering of certain lack of innovativeness.that's why i only update sporadically for Uruguay and Kandy.but the certainties are that you need to work on your economy and industry.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:54, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

can I adopt the original Greater Europe game please? I WILL NOT BE SILENCED!!! DeanSims (User talk:DeanSims) 17:01, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

yes i would like to play greater europe as one Southamerican nation, Colombia and A full explanation of the Rules

please

Poland are allies with the Reich but that's mostly to just protect Poland from the USSR. I was also thinking about when to kill off Hitler too and then who would replace him. And the Reich is hardly democractic, but its a lot nicer than in OTL for sure. I am planning to attack the USSR in the coming years but since you guys took Poland off me, its become a lot harder... <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 11:41, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

I could do another coup in Poland so the pro-Nazis come into power again. Gonna have to be tommorrow though cause today is a busy day for me :/

But as for the Baltics I'm thinking more puppet governments but I'm more concerned with taking out the USSR than the Baltic states. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 16:40, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Negotiation (PM)
As you will have noticed, Bharat is winning the war and will probably topple your government soon. I do not want to lose you as a player in PM, so I have an offer. Your country will enter into a dynastical union, i.e your king could die and the closest relative is a Bharati (the royal family must have breeded with some Bharat origin people!!). This will protect you and let you keep on expanding and playing. However, you will have to state that many christians died and the country is 80% hindu now and 20% christian. As well as this, there is a condition and that is you will have to become more imperialistic and support Bharat or its puppets in any and every way. Play it well and a couple of colonies could become yours. What do you say? :| Imperium Guy 14:50, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

But why? :( Imperium Guy 15:34, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

It just means the leaders of the nations are the same, but you completely control your nation and only need to support my interest and visa versa. :D Imperium Guy 18:00, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

What should the official reason for the explosion be? I think it should be a country trying to upset relations, i.e Russia. Denmark has done its own investigation and says John II hired the terrorists!! :D Imperium Guy 19:02, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Oh! :D Imperium Guy 19:19, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Right, I'll let you in on the secret on how to expand 30000km per turn. There was a mod event which allowed "civilized" nations to expand 3 times faster cause of the difference between civilization and uncivilization. As you are presently expanding 10000 km, you can triple it and expand 30,000 km every turn. Hows that? :D Imperium Guy 10:27, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Greater Europe
Sorry, but ever since the Japanese Civil War, the Japanese have been very anti-fascist and anti-imperialistic. However the Fascist/Imperial Party of Japan is still active, but they have very few members and won't be getting any support (the Japanese can't be fooled that easy..).

However, I could have Tokugawa Yoshimitsu slowly climb back into power, and maybe have a new de facto Shogunate take place. While the new government appears to be democratic, it is somewhat of an Imperial Rule, with some parts of fascism mixed. Though, it will take a very long time, and lots of attempted convincing. But by 1960s, the Shogunate would be back in action (with Imperial/some Fascist mixed rule); though it will have to fall in 1985 though (I plan to have Japan a full democracy by the 1990s on). -Kogasa 17:05, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

I see. Well, rest assured, you won't see a civil war for a long, long time (until late 1980s, like I said). If there will be, then the other East Asian Union members (Korea, Indochina, Thailand, Tibet) would send support as well (well I don't control them, so I don't know. Wouldn't be surprised if they turned fascist/imperialistic too). -Kogasa 17:20, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

I though France already was Fascist? I read the previous posts for France in the archives, and if I'm not mistaken, they are fascist.

Anyway, if you intend to make a fascist world, I guess I can go with it. I'm not arguing either way, I'm fine with whatever the result will be. :] -Kogasa 17:33, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

All modern day nations be like North Korea? That's near impossible I say. Maybe it could be similar to Stalin's Russia or Maoist China (in fascist way, of course). Plus, the technology is still advancing. Most of the world otl has technology much better than North Korea if I'm not mistaken.

Also, having all the world being Dictatorships/Totalitarian rule would also be somewhat implausible. I'm sure there will still be around 5 governments that have democracy or communist (like otl, Communism fell. Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, China, and North Korea remained communist). Though I'm not really sure how it will work, so you probably want to ask someone else about it. I'm not really the expert on it, sorry. -Kogasa 18:02, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

i thought you said I could adopt greater europe? I WILL NOT BE SILENCED!!! DeanSims (User talk:DeanSims) 17:05, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Grammar Nazi badge?
Thank you - I think.

EoGuy 17:21, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

Of course it would be 4 years, your seriously underestimating the power of the USSR & overestimating the alliance's power. The logistical issues of the USA invading Siberia via Alaska are difficult so they are of little use in the war as most of the fighting will be in the west between the USSR & the axis nations. Also the USSR would be partially expecting it, maybe on a smaller scale but they'd know. I won my war, so I get to decide how it goes. You honestly think a superpower is just gonna collapse because a few other countries (some of them being superpowers) invade? The USSR have a huge military, only just a bit bigger than the alliance's combined army. Your invading Russia to, it never goes well & its always very difficult. I'll go down to 3 years for the war length for you, but not half a year like you seem to think is plausible for toppling the USSR & taking over all of Russia. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 10:22, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

For a start off we're deep into alternative timeline world, so all of our timeline written sources have nothing to do the game's world, whatever your friend did in the soviet military has nothing to do with our timeline. Its war, people are forced to join the army its called conscription. Give me any example when all of Russia has been successfully invaded and taken over by a foreign power in half a year. Give me written sources saying this. The only power to have anything coming close to taking over Russia was the Mongols & that only lasted for a while because the Russians basically could rule themselves, and Russia wasn't unified. The Russian populace are not gonna want to be ruled over by fascist governments like Germany, China/Japan or Italy, and certainly not the evil capitalists like the USA. So they'll join the army to fight back, if not forced to join the army. As for why the war would last 4 years I say look at world war 2, Napoleon's invasion of Russia and world war 1. Go look at a map, look at how big Russia is. How can you see foreign powers taking over a territory that big in half a year? <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 11:37, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

No your not right. Its your word against everything I've read on the matter. You have also not provided me with any sources. You have a friend who told you some stuff & then based on that you think you've got more credibility than Wikipedia as a source of information.

Just because the USSR doesn't have a player & they haven't posted anything doesn't mean the country is sitting around not doing anything. The USSR would of had an idea of the invasion and would be dug in ready to fight till the end to defend their country and ideals from their enemies. They'd win or go down fighting, as they have no allies & no other options. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 13:52, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

No just more reasons why you're wrong ;) <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:30, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

MAH TRIBAL GAMEZ HAVE BEGUN Sasafred12 21:46, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Categories
Nothing marked as any form of ASB gets the "Timelines" (or any form thereof) or the "Map Games" category added to it. Lordganon 06:33, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

Greater Europe
So sorry, didn't realise you'd restarted. I haven't been logging on for a while.

TheB 15:55, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

Is anyone Spain? There doesn't seem to be a name by it. If not, Portugal is fine!

TheB 09:49, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm now scared I'll totally mess up my "really good choice" by doing something stupid, but hey. Perhaps it's time to challenge the monster I previously created :)

TheB 09:58, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Also, has anyone previously controlled Spain? I just want to know so I can change things appropriately. Thanks.

TheB 10:07, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Righto then, time to get started!

TheB 10:11, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Unknown Landmass
Yes! I'm definitely going to join it! :D -Kogasa 12:04, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

I can try, sure. Thanks. It'll be a good challenge for me. :] -Kogasa 18:21, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

PM 2
You can sign up for any unclaimed nation here. You can change what nation you've "called" until the game itself begins. LurkerLordB (Talk) 13:25, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I'm sorry, there had been an edit conflict as I was editting at the same time and I had accidentally removed your name from Hungary. LurkerLordB (Talk) 13:47, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Bohemia was recovering from the devestating Hussite Wars. LurkerLordB (Talk) 13:51, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

There was a bit of chaos in Bohemia at this time, but by 1453 in OTL the throne had been secured by king Laudislaus of Hungary. So in 1452-onward you could have him come to power in Bohemia in our game, but it starts out in chaos. LurkerLordB (Talk) 22:46, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Bohemia's in chaos, and I should probably change it to civil disarray on the map. You can just state that the Hungarians send aid to the Pro-Ladislaus faction there and they attain victory a couple years later. LurkerLordB (Talk) 14:04, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

You should have at least one year of sending aid to the Pro-Ladislaus faction, but you could unite them in 1451 if you want. LurkerLordB (Talk) 14:43, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

It will be dynastic union, so both nations will technically be equal, though Hungary will probably dominate. For the sake of the algorithm, they will both be counted as full nations. If your dynasty falls or something, the union will be broken. The Czechs will not simply be absorbed into Hungary, as they would revolt to save their culture. After maybe a hundred years of dynastic union, if you wanted, you could have them form some sort of commonwealth. Like Britain and Scotland. LurkerLordB (Talk) 14:59, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Sig
I like the green and blue better!! :( Imperium Guy 14:18, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't look bad! The green makes it noticeable in fact!! :D Imperium Guy 14:33, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Then I should really change my sig colour to orange!! :D Imperium Guy 15:42, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Unknown Landmass
Can I volunteer to be a mod? CourageousLife 20:03, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

What kind of mods are there? CourageousLife 17:54, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

So I can just sign up for any of those positions? CourageousLife 18:28, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to keep bothering you, just one last question: What's the deal with the superpowers template at the bottom of the page? CourageousLife 18:35, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, just made the three new nations. I wanted to ask if you could make nation pages for them. I can do one or two, but I'm going to be renovating the Nation Profile page for the most part. CourageousLife (talk) 20:08, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

666 edit's LoL!
And i earned a badge with it. lol!Wingman1 08:43, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

hell i did, it plan it like that. i knew i was close i mean but i honesty thought i had a week to go before i got that badge. shit happens i guess. lol. i was just working on my page.Wingman1 08:56, July 1, 2012 (UTC) :D

i will look at it, but i realy don't play map games, i do like to read and folow them though.Wingman1 09:02, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

sure, but between work and shit, i shuld find the time, 3rd shift can be such a bitch. lol!Wingman1 10:19, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

New Ottoman Empire
Sorry, my fault entirely, I was just mindlessly categorising! It is ASB (LG labelled it so) and I have no idea how to break out of this so I better change the category to fit.

TheB 13:10, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Oh no, I wasn't angry, I know very well it is ASB.

TheB 13:17, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Oh sure, I won't be here Monday or Tuesday (sudden event, sorry I couldn't tell you earlier) but I'll try to help as much as possible. I presume map-making would be colouring in the areas claimed by players? I'm also happy to help with the pages on Greater Europe, if you'd like.

Oh, and thanks for the image help.

TheB 13:27, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Sure, I'll help as much as I can then!

TheB 13:39, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Hey Doc, could I bet a mod in Unknown Landmass? I'm Nooyork. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:32, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for asking. Mod events, map maker, disasters, and rebellions. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:14, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Right then, here's the new map. The thick lines indicate origin point(s) and thin lines indicate where the people have spread out to.

Also, that template you "took" from Superpowers is called a navbox. Almost everyone uses them, and they can be really jazzed up.

Just look at these:


 * RA-Alaska
 * GWS-Santiago

and some of my own work:


 * Reign of Roosevelt
 * Battle For Earth

So can I fix up the one for UL a little? :)

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 16:41, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps I could explain that. July 4th, America's so-called birthday is two days away. Several America users will disappear and not return until the 5th or the 6th. America tradition includes barbecues and attending special ceremonies, celebrations, etc. I myself will depart in a few hours with my family to acquire stuff for our barbecue. Add to that I will be active only on the morning and nights (EDT) of tomorrow.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:06, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Speaking Up (PM)
I plan to give a slight amount of Bharati Australian territory away and hopefully you will not have to give much at all. I will soon draw up a map of it.

BTW, in the 60s, Australia along with my colonies will form the Federation of Australia, like OTL, where the Maharaja is thye head of state while Prime MInister is head of government. You will get to control the area in its majority. Deal? :D Imperium Guy 11:06, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Exactly, its like OTL Australia and Canada, except with Bharat. I think that's a nice touch, don't you? :D Imperium Guy 11:26, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Here is a amp of how much territory we will give up. I have made sure it is not heaps as we have worked hard for it and yeah...

BTW, once this "Federation" forms (which in OTL happened in 1901, 60 years off :/), who's colour do you want it to be, Bharat's or Australia's? :D Imperium Guy 11:30, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Really, I would have preferred yellow!! But ok I guess! :D Imperium Guy 11:44, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Technically it could, but green's fine (as long as I can find a yelloy green, lol). BTW, is the map ok and what did you mean by the Commonwealth acting fascist? <:) Imperium Guy 11:49, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Exactly, there should be a mod event when the people forced to move will rebel against the Commonwealth and they'll have to give up the claims. I have stated to the Commonwealth trying to claim any more territory will be seen as an act of war by both (Bharat and Australia). But I think in all fairness, a bit of territory should be given, so they can rebel! ;D Imperium Guy 12:23, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

I have also made a map of how the provinces of modern-day Australia will look (and yes it is greenish, but a bit less hurtful to the eyes and looks a bit yellowish like I promised!).

It seems quite good-looking by my point of view. I would like your opinion as well! :D Imperium Guy 12:27, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Fixed!! :D Imperium Guy 12:44, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

You can fix it then!! :D Imperium Guy 12:57, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Nope, I haven't watched it. :D Imperium Guy 13:58, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Doc, go take Lithuania in PMII. You can finally command a large country, and take Poland while you're at it. What do you say (Hungary is not the best country to take)?! :D Imperium Guy 19:58, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Lithuania
Lithuania and Poland are in dynastic union, you will be able to control them both, though Lithuania would remain your main nation. Hungary is powerful though, they became very powerful in this game and could do so again (they certainly are no weaker than Poland or Lithuania) LurkerLordB (Talk) 04:18, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

They had not yet formed the commonwealth, but at this time Casimir IV Jagiellon was both Grand Duke of Lithuania and King of Poland. LurkerLordB (Talk) 04:41, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

See! I said you can control both nations, thanks Lurk for the confirmation! Lithuania seems a bit too larger so you might want to lose off some land at the start which you could look to reconquer later on in the game, or just keep them through the game. Anyway, you've got a chance to make Lithuania and then the Commonwealth great! Please do a good job at it! :D Imperium Guy 10:45, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

You can control them both, unless something happens. If you want you can use the real-life characters (though its's more plausible to invent your own characters, as realistically no one born after the POD would exist) LurkerLordB (Talk) 13:17, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

OK. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 16:19, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

ah... do you want to join this Map game... it has plenty of Nations to choose in america and a few in the Mediterranean Ocean and Germany Here's the Link

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/New_Beginning_%28Map_Game%29#1995.75

EUIII is only one of the many sources I have. In this time period I kinda specialize in Ottoman, French and Swedish History so I picked up on Poland-Lithuania and Burgundy pretty quickly. I'm also Venetian so I also spotted the smaller size of Venice on the map compared to OTL. Scandinator (talk) 00:38, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

With Poland-Lithuania you kinda should take Poland as they lead the union. Poland-Lithuania will not unite for much of the early game and the Teutonic Knights will put up a strong defensive campaign against you. Pskov will probably fall easily though. Scandinator (talk) 00:59, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Unknown landmass map
Hello.

With the map, you said to not make it too large right? Would taking the whole island of Shizuoka (aka the island my Kōchi tribe is on) would be too big, or not? If it's still too big, then can I take half the island? Or if not, then how large should it be, like the OTL Roman Kingdom?

Sorry to ask the questions, I'm only curious. -Kogasa 12:17, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! I wouldn't have made it that large anyway. :P

I uploaded the map already, though I didn't know if you wanted to have the old file over-ride so I uploaded it as separate.

-Kogasa 13:43, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

Finished! It's up now. :] -Kogasa 14:29, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

Also, may I propose another rule; when someone edits a map, it should be in the highest resolution (in the case for your map, its 1,800 × 1,000 pixels). If someone uploads a map not in that resolution, then it should either be changed so that it is or a mod event that affects their nation (though the latter can be quite harsh) or something. What do you think? -Kogasa 16:20, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

Map for GE


I'm not sure if you wanted me to include the current war with Tibet (like showing the Chinese advances into Tibet) as I haven't conquered it yet so I didn't add it. I also fixed the Chinese-Korean border, and corrected the Japanese area in China, by moving it to the Shanghai area. -Kogasa 10:31, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

By the way, do you mind if I have Japan, Korea, and China merge into one nation sometime soon, maybe next turn if possible? They are currently all run and led by the Tokugawa clan (Tokugawa Yoshimitsu (China's leader), Tokugawa Masako (Japan's leader), and Makoto Tokugawa (Korea's leader)). -Kogasa 18:51, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

NEr
What are you talking about, of course there's an algorithm check the talk page! Then again, by the look of your profile page it seems like no map game really pleases you.AP (talk) 06:07, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

The Aussie Rebellion (PM)
I was going to state, but then I forgot. The thing is, I did give you guys autonomy and I did state that a plan for a Federation was taking place. So the only option I have is to tell the rebels that they will recieve independence in the way like present-day Australia and then let the Federation happen in '61 (I think). :/ Imperium Guy 20:13, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Well, you could still control your nation and do whatever you wanted to!! :P Imperium Guy 11:27, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Ok... But did you see my offer to you? It is just a step away from you becoming the independent(ish) nation you want Australia to be. Don't start up any more rebellions, justs state that Australian polititians argue ferociously for full autonomy/independence, and when '61 rolls over, I'll take care of the rest. :/ Imperium Guy 12:37, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

But why? I like '61 because it is exactly 60 from the OTL Australian Federation date! :P Imperium Guy 12:52, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

You mean politically, right? :o Imperium Guy 13:10, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Lol, I made the War of Roses thing into a movie, the War of Roses!! :D Imperium Guy 13:58, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Dynasty changes
You can do whatever you please with your own nation's rulers, either having the same dynasty stay in power, just with different people born after 1450, or have a new dynasty arise. Warning though, if the Corvinus/Hunyadi dynasty falls, the new dynasty that wins the Hungarian throne might not be the same to win the Bohemian one...LurkerLordB (Talk) 17:03, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Destroying Unification
Prussia page has been made. Not done yet though. The Royal Guns (talk) 11:05, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Peru Crisis
Peru doesn;t trust me anymore, so I have to make certain preparations. RandomWriterGuy (talk) 17:05, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Unknown Landmass
First off, cool symbols! :D

Anyway, I wouldn't close it. I love the idea, to be honest. Plus, the islands look great and unique.

I can go with the skipping to the 15th century, if its okay. Or maybe we could turn it into a time-line, if you like. :] -Kogasa 18:07, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good! :] -Kogasa 18:28, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

So, eh, I hear this stuff bout making UL a TL. (lol, You-L, Tee-L, both end in L) I had some ideas.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:09, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Also is that you in the profile picture? Sure as hell looks like my cousin. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:11, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

If you lived in Munich I would say you are my cousin. Of course you are Lithuanian.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:59, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

You said you are residing in Lithuania! Mwahahahahahahahahahaha!

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:07, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Never heard of it.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:54, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

so you live in lithuania? I have a friend named matis who lives there. I myself am from germany.Andr3w777 (talk) 19:16, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

his family is not orginally from lithuania I am not sure where he is from orginally, his family is military and has been to amercia several times, it is how I met him. my name Andrew Cribb is not traditionally German, yet I come from HamburgAndr3w777 (talk) 19:25, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Seven Years War
THE MAP GAME HAS BEGUN! --RandomWriterGuy (talk) 00:50, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

All the best (PM)
If you look at my 1962 post, you will see that the 3 colonies are (finally) part of Australia proper. So I bid you farewell from the Union (although the Maharaja will still have to be recognised as the symbolic leader) and all the best for the future in the game. However, I will give you the secret in greening the deserts, which if you read my Australia posts you will see. You should use it in Australia as well and help create rivers and lakes in you country and give you heaps of farmland! :D Imperium Guy 18:28, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

i lost the color downloading a corrected map that became the pattern.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 07:28, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, if i have the time.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 09:33, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Come Play with Spread of Communism: Revised
It's actually doing pretty well, and it's plausable! Stewdio333 (talk) 04:03, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know, the more players, the merrier I guess. :) Stewdio333 (talk) 05:33, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Dubstep
Dya like Dubstep? If so, have you heard Bangarang by Skrillex? :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:38, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Oh! :( Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:05, July 22, 2012 (UTC)