Talk:Night of the Living Alternate History (Map Game)

Changelog
Original map still in use. Mscoree (talk) 14:05, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

1970.5: Expanded Bay Republic (as their expanding), addest Israel, expanded Zombies, uncolored/colored certain nations, expanded Free Alaska. Daxus Inferno (talk) 14:04, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Discussion
The countries of Halifax, Wight, Sealand, and Israel need to be added. Zombie movement continues. Also Forgottonia and should be recolored, and Chicago made a similar color to Mississippi. Mscoree (talk) 02:38, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

The Republic of Ireland needs to be colored, and there needs to be light zombie infection in the Republic and heavier infection around Belfast. Mscoree (talk) 15:11, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Proposals
Also, I'm not sure how to do the coloring for Zed, to if someone else could do that while I do political maps that would be Greeat

Moderator Applications
To be considered for a moderator position, please sign your name here and a short summary of why you want to become a moderator. Keep in mine the responsibility you have as a moderator and the consequences you may encounter if you do not faithfully execute your time in office.
 * CrimsonAssassin (talk) 20:15, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * You have been approved. Mscoree (talk) 23:41, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hailstormer (talk) 12:17, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * You have been approved.Mscoree (talk) 14:40, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * You should make me a moderator becuase I am usually not bias and try to keep things from falling apart Daxus Inferno (talk) 18:12, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Zombies
I assume that the zombies are going to migrate into South America, Asia, and Africa? Daxus Inferno (talk) 02:40, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

The immediate plan right now is that the zombies will enter South America, Europe (up to the East Germany), and eventually Africa and Asia. After that it is down to the players as to their strategy to control the zombie horde.Mscoree (talk) 14:38, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

Ammo
How long is it planned for people to have ammo before they have to make their own? Daxus Inferno (talk) 23:51, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

In most developed countries ammo is a resource heavily stockpiled. Many ammunition factories still remain intact. Also scavenging and small gunsmiths are popular. Mscoree (talk) 02:08, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Names
What sounds is cooler? Vote! (as i plan on renaming my nation eventually) Daxus Inferno (talk) 02:50, March 28, 2013 (UTC) My first impression is that the third one is best, although the "K" substituting in for "C" is random. -Mscoree

How Long Should One Turn Represent?
Right now the current rule for turns is that every day a new turn is made, and that turn represents one month of in-game time. Does any one thing that this should be a longer or shorter period of time? Let me know what you think. Mscoree (talk) 14:44, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

I think maybe a season, and if there are four seasons in a year and the games starts in 1970, 4 x 43 = 172, so with the seasons the game can have 172 turns, and it can make more in-depth posts on how players deal with winter, farming etc. Daxus Inferno (talk) 14:47, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

Interesting point. Mscoree (talk) 17:03, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

or Per month, it would be the same than per season, but it would allow A much profound posting as it would not be just winter and fighting if not Life changes and National Events within the nations in a more regular base Sine dei gloriem (talk) 23:54, March 28, 2013 (UTC) and it would give 516 turns

I like the season interval a bit more to be honest. If we did it by months, it'd take almost two weeks for a year to pass in the game. Not in the mood for that. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 23:58, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

Although I like the idea of indepth, monthly storytelling, I doubt many others are willing to. For now let's try out seasonal turns. Mscoree (talk) 01:56, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Topics

 * Organizing Relief Efforts
 * Nuclear Weapons
 * Anti-Zombie Stradegy
 * North Yemen Civil War
 * Middle East Alliance

Attendees

 * United States of America
 * Northwestern Union (able to fly a representative in)
 * Cuba
 * Colombia
 * Chicago (diplomat survives solo flight)
 * Turkey
 * United Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland
 * Saudi Arabia
 * Israel:
 * Empire City of Manhattan
 * Republic of Ireland

Relief Efforts

 * Saudi Arabia: We are willing to help with relief efforts, such as share our resources with our allies and help shelter and treat refugees.
 * Cuba: We will guive millitary support, but refuses trade support, and will not accept refugees, at risk of the zombie plague spreafing to Cuba(Since they are on a tiny island)
 * Empire City of Manhattan(ECM): Supplies will be given, but we risk no men. NYC is too overcrowded as it is, refugees will not be tolerated
 * Northwest Federation: Allowing refugees into the Puget Sound cities. All inbound refugees will be checked for bites. Can provide naval assistance.
 * Chicago: We will make an effort to send supply planes to those in need, however there is no guarentee. We will send limited military support to nations who are on excellent terms with us, such as the United States. There ais also a series of checkpoints that act as camps for surviours around the southern border of Chicago.
 * Colombia:i will be Provide Military and Trade support, but like Cuba i won't allow any Refugee enter Continental Colombia until proven they aren't infected, they can remain at San andres and Providencia archipelago i also ask other Caribbean and Mexican Gulph nations to join an alliance against the Zombies

Nuclear Weapons
Unless any one has anything else to add, this decision will be finalized.
 * United States: We propose a ban on using nuclear weapons to combat zombies. Any strike on former or current US territory will be considered an act of war
 * Saudi Arabia: We agree with the United States.
 * Cuba; Agrees
 * ECM: Agrees with the US
 * Northwest Union: Agreed
 * Turkey: We also agree with the US terms. Scorched Earth, and Search Destroy tactics should be used instead. But only on zombie infested territory where there are no live citizens.
 * Ireland: We agree with the US also.
 * United Kingdom We shall only use nuclear weapons if they are used against England first.
 * United States Proposal: No nuclear weapons will be used. Any nuclear strike, or attack on US territory or other infected areas will be considered an act of war.
 * United Kingdom: We agree to not use nuclear weapons.

Anti-Zombie Strategy

 * Saudi Arabia: We are looking into possible medications of this infection.
 * Cuba: Doctors will resume research. Scorched Earth tactic is suggested.
 * ECM: Doctors are on hte job, but nothing much more.
 * Northwest Union: Mountains provide good barriers against zombies. Thoroughly sweep infested areas as needed and able.
 * United States: We will try to quarantine the zombies within the Midwest and slowly clear as many towns as we can. We will begin utilizing some schorched earth tactics is rural, zombie-infested areas.
 * Turkey: Nations should start recruiting soldiers for biological responses.
 * Chicago: Research has begun on the Zombie virus in Chicago. We propose that in North America and Europe that zombies are surrounded and blockaded. The next phase will be to close in on the zombies in the center until there are no zombies left.

North Yemen Civil War

 * Saudi Arabia: We also want a Peace Treaty between our neighboring country, Yemen.
 * ECM: Will send a diplomat to negotiate peace

TO DO LIST
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Nations
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Art
Here are some art/map/flag stuff that you can do.
 * Make flags (see below)
 * Add already existing flags to the nations on the main page

Flags
Nations that need flags. Try to be logic with flag creation by researching the region and creating a flag that positively displays that regions roots/mother country.
 * Juarez
 * Republic of Alaska (Alaskan Rebels)
 * Northwest Federation
 * Forgottonia
 * Isle of Wight
 * London
 * Northern Ireland

Template
Can ya'll add australia/nz to the template? Thanks   OreoToast555(Talk) 23:52, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Added. Mscoree (talk) 00:08, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

May Chicago be added too?

Sure. Mscoree (talk) 01:48, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

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Bay Republic

Question
Is the siege of Chicago still going on or has it ended? This is UglyTurtle, Signing off. 00:20, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Officially it has ended, although now begins the long campaign to push the zombies out of Illinois. Mscoree (talk) 01:46, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Need a template?
I'm doing nationtemplates for all nations, just leave a reply with the link and i'll get it done. OreoToast555(Talk) 00:40, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Free Alaska
Location Tactical Advantage
 * at the location of the war: 5
 * Basic earthworks, makeshift defenses, ruins: 3

Nations Per Side on the War

 * S for supplies (+2)

Military Development

 * Your current army score:10
 * Industry for defending:4

Motive

 * motive is life or death (country's sovereign existence is threatened): 10

Chance

 * UTC time: 1:24
 * Opponent's edit count: 713 (war was started by a mod event, so I used Mscoree's edit count)
 * 7% of 713=49.91
 * 49.91xPi=156.79 6 889341
 * chance is 6

Stability

 * 25

Participation
Total: 75
 * +10

State of Alaska (US Puppet)
Location Tactical Advantage Nations Per Side on the War Military Development Motive
 * next to the location of the war: 4
 * High ground/ambush: 2
 * S for supplies (+2)
 * Your current army score:10
 * motive is political: 5

Chance
Stability Participation Total: 58
 * UTC time: 1:24
 * Opponent's edit count: 893
 * 7% of 893 is 62.51
 * 62.51xPi=196.38 0 956776
 * chance is 0
 * 25
 * All nations get a +10 on this

Result

 * The Free Republic of Alaska manages to force the US backed Alaska state troops back in a counterattack. While the victory was sound, they do not have the rescources to pursue the troops over the border. Wegscuba (talk) 01:39, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

New Naming Policy
I know that I am probably the biggest perpetrator of this very thing I am describing, but we are now adapting a new policy toward naming pages. From now on writing, "Name (NotLAH)" is not longer acceptable. The new layout should read, "Name (Night of the Living Alternate History Map Game)". Old pages using the old format will be renamed. Mscoree (talk) 18:40, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Isn't that like um... a waste of text? OreoToast555(Talk) 19:25, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, we might use up all the words on the wiki. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 20:28, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

A waste? Maybe. Inconvenient? Maybe. But did Lordganon ask that I start enforcing this? Yes. For now we can probably get away with using "NotLAH" by redirecting. Apparently there's a "wiki-wide rule" dictating that you can't use abbreviations the way we did. Mscoree (talk) 20:57, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Argument of 1970.50

 * Depth charges can't breach the tunnels, the tunnels were built to withstand the blitz and then reinforced, also, i decide where my resources are, and do you know the meaning of 'near inpregnable', hint; it means that the gangs and undead wouldn't get in and nor would the bombs. Also in the introduction to this turn it says deep, as in, not near the surface. If you can change facts to suit you, so can I which means, I can do this:
 *  London:Nukes Anglesessy. The radiation kills everyone on anglessey, the emp released knocks planes out of the sky. This occurs before your attack, so you fail, and all die.  does that seem fair? Thought not, so remove your post please.
 * This wasn't my real post, that is further up the page, I'm making a point.
 * I'm just going to remind y'all that douchebaggery is NOT mandatory. We can get Mscoree to change UK's post while we ignore London's after this is done. I think whoevere posted above me is also blind as he can not see that it is a way to piss off the UK player, and not serious Daxus Inferno (talk)
 * I'm one of those people who takes games such as this serious, but i'm just trying to help manage because Mscoree is on a vacation. However he should be back soon.
 * Alright, Edboy. Solution: We get UK to change some of their stuff and remove London's post. Simple enough Daxus Inferno (talk) 16:36, March 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * It isn't a real post, I'm just showing how unfair it is to destroy a nation. Local Mafia Boss (talk) 16:45, March 30, 2013 (UTC) I've removed the post. now change the UKs
 * Got it Daxus.
 * If you won't change his post, can I play as someone else. 
 * Now someone fix the UK post Daxus Inferno (talk) 16:45, March 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Now this is me speaking as a moderator. One of the key rules of these games is that you DO NOTcross out anyones posts but your own if you are not a moderator. That is why we have moderators, so that they can analyse the posts for implausibility, and cross out anything they find. Even if you dislike a part of a post, YOU CANNOT just cross it out. If you have an issue with a post, say so underneath, then a moderator will look at it, and will decide themselves if something needs to be changed. This rule APPLIES FOR ALL POSTS, regardless of whether it is something minor you are unhappy with or something major. So please refrain from doing it again. Hailstormer (talk) 18:10, March 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * In terms of me as the player of the UK, i personally believe everything i said in my post is plausibe. It doesn't matter if you like it or not, if it is plausible, then it stands. If you don't believe something is plausible, then say so and one of the moderators, as i said above, will look at it for you and decide what is to be done. If they believe something is implausible, then i will change it if i have no way to counter their argument. In terms of whether or not it is fair, this is a game based on plausibility not fairness, if it is plausible, then it happens. I know that sounds harsh, but if these games were based on fairness all that would ever happen would be us attacking NPCs, and half the fun of these games is staking up against someone else's nation. I hope that cleared some of this up. Hailstormer (talk) 18:10, March 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks to Daxus, Hailstormer, and Edboy for regulating while I was away. London's joke post is not valid. In regards to England's post, they were attacking a ravaged city with no anti-air defenses, therefore I will allow England's attack to remain, but now begins the long siege to take back the city. Considering that London is now partially in ruin this will probably take 2-3 turns before the city is tolerable for the English to re-enter. The only thing I will edit is the severity of the subway collapse. As was pointed out, the subways are heavily reinforced and I doubt even if they were completely opened that many raiders would jump down the large hole into the flooded darkness below. Local Mafia Boss, if you do end up defeated after this siege, you will be allowed to play as some other nation, assuming that you don't meta-game or remain bias against England. Mscoree (talk) 18:29, March 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * English player, also try to resist the urge to bold stuff in your post unless it's diplomacy. 

Date Errors
With the fourth turn approaching, I've realized that I have been naming turns incorrectly. Each turn from now on encompasses everything from the turn name, to the next one, so each season. All turns have been renamed one fourth less. Mscoree (talk) 20:00, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Apocalypse Names
Let's Vote on what to name the apocalypse

Z-Day:
 * Wegscuba (talk) 16:04, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

Zed-Day:

Blood Dawn:

the Purge:
 * DeliDog (talk) 23:03, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

the Apocalypse:
 * Mscoree (talk) 22:53, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

the Cataclysm:

the Mistake:


 * Daxus Inferno (talk),

Beginning of the End:

End of the Beginning:

the Collapse:

Day-X

1968: Doomsday
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