User talk:Benkarnell

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I have graduated Belau (1983: Doomsday)
sice you alerted me to it i edited it and it explains a lot --Owen1983 16:00, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

Siberia map
I haveupdated the map of Siberia (even though now it makes even less sense to me why Siberians had to fight for this useless piece of land). — Hellerick 19:33, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

8th
My apoligies, you are correct. Mitro 00:00, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Anon user
An anon user has commented on Owen's page, then deleted the two timelines he has taken credit for, as well as deleted his name. I undid the edit. The IP address is 86.182.52.36 (Talk) BrianD 17:14, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Deleted portions
Ben, I don't know how that happened, but I found a way to restore the deleted portions. The only thing I did at the time was add a note on the Anon user to your page. I did not knowingly nor intentionally delete the rest, but I am sorry for what happened, and apologize for the inconvenience (and hope everything was properly restored!) BrianD 23:35, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Luxembourg approval
I don't have much time to talk (not on my home computer), just know that I love the new history section for the83DD Luxembourg page. You have my approval. --ShutUpNavi 03:06, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

RE:Soviet-Nicaraguan-Costa Rican military operations
So, since Tuleyev is in the region, and you are the author of Costa Rica, have you got any suggestion as to were they should meet? Tuleyev will leave for the Dominican Republic tomorrow and later go to Haiti. A joint visit to Haiti perhaps? Also, since the Siberians helped the Costa Ricans a few times, I was wondering wether Costa Rica could become an observer or a regional partner of the CSTO? Could you see that happening?Vladivostok 13:38, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Mexico
Thanks, I see there is some movement. Unfortunely I'am a lazy writer but i'll see what I can do. JorgeGG 13:42, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Nebraska (1983: Doomsday)
I have created an article on the PUSA state of. I used some of your ideas you left on the PUSA talk page, so feel free to change anything on it you don't like. Mitro 23:29, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

Americana Games
I have the name as being the "Americana" Games because most of the survivor states participating are centered in territory formerly part of the United States of America, and because the European regional games, as described by a 2009 news item, were called the Europa Games. I applied that idea to the North American version, and liked the results. Besides, I don't think the name "North Americana Games" rolls off the tongue quite as easily. It's just a tribute to the great nation of which the survivor states had shared memories of.

Yankovic270 18:33, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

The Olympics
Hey, Ben, I just read your article on the beginning ceremony in the Moreos, and I have to say, I loved it!
 * There is only one teensy problemo. I always pictured the Moreos as, for lack of better words, evil. I planned on them having a near-iconoclastic Era destruction of anything pre-DD Republic and ancient Greek, only saving the Byzantine era things as propagana and forging a "New Empire". However, with the world starting to grow again their 100% isolationist and fascistic little world gets poked apart, their leader dies, and things start liberalizing and modernizing rapidly. Which makes me question whether the Moreans (sounds better than "Moreons" to me) would particularly like actresses in ancient-garb. But then again they have only 1/13th of the power of the Federation, so either they keep quiet about such theatrics, or they get disciplined. So really I suppose I figured out my own question, which makes it null and void :) But again thank you for such a nice, well thought out article!

Mr.Xeight 18:31, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Hello again, Ben. I was wondering if you could help me with minor problems. The problems all have to do with the Despotate. Now in Greek Despot translates to "Duke" (at least in Modern it does, don't let Google Translate fool you), wheras in Byzantine times it meant "Lord". What title is used for lord? I was thinking "His Lordship", but a quick search in Wikipedia didn't show any results pertaining to title in Lord. "My Lord" is too one-on-one, and "Lord" sounds to blandiose to me. Any thoughts? Another problem is that I finally found pictures of the leader of the Greek-Fascist party I was using (their name means "Golden/Gold Dawn" in Greek), but his pictures are all on Greek neo-nazi pages, and I'm too scared to go on them for fear of being arrested by the Internet-police or getting a virus. Is there any other way I can get to them? And finally my most important question is, how exactly is the plausibility of a police state-fascist-ethnic cleansers-Nazi-esque state? I suppose in the chaos that it's not too far-fetched, but when other nations are starting to interact again, how long can they keep up the act? Mr.Xeight 18:52, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry
After doing proper examination of Wikipedia's artice on "Hrysi Avyi", it seems their original sole religion was a mix between Norse-mythology and Ancient Greek mythology! So if anything they might play on their old heritage even more. Sorry for all the problems I caused with everything, if only I read the bloody article fully in-depth! Mr.Xeight 00:33, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks to a Great Contributer
I Just Came Here to say.... you make some of the best ALT Historys ever... and I bow before you for what you have done (please keep on making more, never stop....)
 * Wow, thanks :-D. I'm sorry I missed this before. Not to be vain, but which ones do you mean? Benkarnell 17:24, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Indochina and the Caribbean
Hi Ben, I was thinking about how nothing is really known about the Indochina part of Asia and I was thinking about expanding what we know about the area, specifically, Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. It's mostly just a thought, but I wanted to create a union of sorts between them. As Vietnam had a significant influence in that part of the region in OTL, it would be the driving force in creating a union. I was thinking of the name Indochinese Union, but it doesn't really role of the tongue, now does it? I was thinking it would be similar to the SAC or the Nordic Union in nature. Then again, I'm also worried about overdoing the whole communist thing. Don't want to get typecasted, right?:)

Also, I wanted to know what was your conclusion regarding Honduras and San Salvador. Would you be willing to make such articles, making allies for both the SAC and ANZC?

And how would these countries go about becoming their allies?Vladivostok 19:44, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, in a weird sort of way, I'm relieved he beat me to it. I like his idea much more than mine. This TL has enough unions without me adding one to the bunch. I haven't talked to Yank about Vietnam directly, as I see that he has a solid and clear idea about the place. I'll work on neighbouring countries and see where that takes me.--Vladivostok 23:05, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

EE Seemaia (The flag)
Ben, I do love the design of the flag and I think you deserve an applause for going to go above and beyond the call of duty; you could have easily just recopied the flag from our world, or not done anything at all! I've decided on generic-Hellenic nationalism; a hearkening back to both the Ancient Times and the Byzantine Empire. Mr.Xeight 00:41, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Passing on a Message
Hey, Ben, it's me Brian Constanine John/Mr.X8!


 * Unfortunately I can't stay away from Internet fun-times (facebook, here, groups.yahoo, the works) and I noticed that on Groups.Yahoo that Mr. Anthony Miles proposed a Papal-States equivalent for the Patriarchate of Constantinople. I guess I said something akin. Now I'd hate for him to build up this big idea and on April 5th I sway him against it, so it's best I do this early. The Orthodox Church would (at least in this world) not be for a secular-state theocracy. Now you might think that I might be forgetting about Mount Athos, but that's solely a community of monks who are lorded over by an office, the title I cannot remember. For a Patriarch, who really has nomore power than any other bishop, could not, nor would never be allowed to be the secular ruler of a sovereign country. It's not within his power to do so, and even if it was, every Patriarch would need one. It's an all of nothing for the every single Patriarch. In fact, every bishop might need his own sovereign state in this case. I was wondering if you could pass on my doubts to him, and tell him I am sorry for anything I said that might have sounded like I meant it. Now back in the past, if I did mean to imply this, I was dead wrong about my own religion, dead wrong.


 * I'm sorry this message seems so scatter-brained; I have to wake up 6 days a week for rowing practice at 4AM, I need to get to bed!

71.239.255.38 03:34, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

Oh and Mr. Miles asked about a map with country subdivisions. I use

71.239.255.38 03:35, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

Canon issues
There has been some discussion regarding some issues of canon. It regards why Reagan left the US and the APA disbanded. Thought you might want to check it out. Mitro 14:11, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Republic of North Florida
Zack is moving to graduate. Since there has been some issue about whether the plausibility singularity has been reached in North America, you might want to check this out. Mitro 21:58, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Picture problems
I am having trouble posting pictures in my posts. I select the 'Add a picture' button and I select browse, I click my file, get my copyright set up and everything then I select insert. When I select insert the little photo box that comes up when you inset a photo time is blank. And I get a note on the bottom of my screen that says error on page. Should I conatact the wikia staff?ProfessorMcG 14:47, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Adoption of Costa Rica
Hey Ben, I was wondering if I could adopt the article you created, Costa Rica. Arstarpool 04:17, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Please Read
please read and comment on Russian Empire (Constantine's Russia). Please? --Catherine 22:34, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Korea Timeline
Any comments in my timeline Dae Han Jeguk: an Alternate History of Korea ? I need some suggestions. This timeline as of now is incomplete and currently before the Great War. I had to focus on Korea fitst. General tiu 09:52, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Provisional Canada
Hey Ben, I was wondering if I could adopt Provisional Canada from you. I ask you this because Mitro, when he left, stated that he gave all care-taking duties to you and Louis. I also ask you this because the article has not been edited in quite some time, other than two edits made by me at an earlier date. Arstarpool 19:57, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Poll Vandalism
Hello, Ben. Venezuela has hacked the polls on the fate of two of his articles, the and. The articles were marked obsolete twice, but yet he claimed he changed them "majorly" and he would graduate them. On both polls, there is a result of four people marking it "to graduate now", when really he was the only one that supported it. Please take care of this, and thank you. Arstarpool 18:36, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not making any vandalism I only used DAFG because:

He's my best friend and he is on my home today, in Venezuela we are starting vacations, he was voting for me in my house, so this would be the only one that would not be true, because I say to him to vote for me, and we were using my computer, also if you see his history he's playing map games long before today, I'm not using different IPs if you want you may see the poll history and discover that I din't create puppets. VENEZUELA 18:59, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Venezuela, you cannot tell someone to vote for you. Either way, the polls do not mean anything, and who were the other 2 "people" that voted for the abominations, Vene?

I don't know. That's what i'm trying to know. VENEZUELA 19:07, June 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Where are the polls? I don't see them at the Kuban or Don pages or at the main discussion page. Benkarnell 20:20, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * They were eliminated because Arstarpool said that they were not going to change nothing just that they were like a poll to now people opinion. VENEZUELA 20:25, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Venezuela deleted them. Arstarpool 20:27, June 29, 2010 (UTC)s
 * yes I deleted them because of that. VENEZUELA 20:35, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * yes I deleted them because of that. VENEZUELA 20:35, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

New TSPTF Members
Hey Ben. If you haven't already read the discussion on the main talk page, some of us are pushing for new members to the mostly-defunct TSPTF. A couple of us, including me, are pushing for new members within the next 36-48 hours. Me, Gopzack, South, Yank, Vegas, Vlad, and East were all selected by other members as candidates. Tell me what you think of this and what should happen. Thanks, Arstarpool 02:37, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Could you tell me if I was a person of concern in the eyes of Mitro, Villa, and Louis? Arstarpool 17:18, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I still do not get it. Does it mean that it has been decided I shall become a Constable? And for your information, I have never threatened to ban someone. I admit I had a dispute with Zack, but it was over one comment I made to another user, "-Sunkist-" over a change I reverted. If Mitro, Louis, or any other administrator has made a comment on this issue I would like to speak to them. Arstarpool 17:36, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Ben, for your information I did not nominate myself.

You can see here the three people that nominated me:

"If I just may add something to the discussion, I think we should have done this a while ago. It really did get to the point in the last two months where only Oer was active and that was a bit alarming. Now for the four candidates I'd just like to say that they would all make great additions to the TSPTF. A rstarpool has done most of the mediating on Doomsday since Mitro left, Yank has been here a long time and knows the ins and outs of the wiki the best of the four chosen, SouthWriter is the cool collected one and Vegas, although the newest addition to the site, is really a good guy and has some admin experience. If I had to, I'd back them all to be in the TSPTF.--Vladivostok 09:06, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

'How about you, Vlad? You've got quite a bit of experience on the site yourself. Arstarpool 16:04, June 29, 2010 (UTC)'
 * Me? Well, why not? But only if no one objects and if there is room for me in this new batch of recruits.--Vladivostok 16:12, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

'I think that there is room for all candidates to be added to the TSPTF. After all, of the ten admins there is basically only one who regularly contributes (with Mitro only temporarily gone). This means that there are eight (or so) seats to fill, and the five candidates (including myself) can be accomodated with no trouble. The thing is, I don't know which of the eight contributors wants to become a regular contributor again.'

Yankovic270 16:40, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, is that really such a problem? Is there a specific number of seats that can be filled?--Vladivostok 17:08, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 *  Well Arstarpool has both been extremely active, as well as basically taken over the admin duties in all but name of 83DD, so if anyone should be made an admin, its him. Oerwinde 17:42, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm flattered, Oer. Was it you who voted for me above? Arstarpool 19:20, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I voted for South like 10 times already, so no big deal...ProfessorMcG 19:23, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * So it's South, Arstar (me), and Yank. And maybe Vegas and Vlad should get Constable or Officer Emeritus rights. Arstarpool 19:27, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Can I achieve the rank of Apprentice Peasant? And yea Arstar, those people including you are the best for the positions ... ProfessorMcG 19:30, June 29, 2010 (UTC)" 
 * Bring this up with the Mitro and Louis. Arstarpool 17:56, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I am sorry if I came across as attacking Mitro and Louis for thier comments. I got that way because Mitro only knew me when I first joined the site, and in the past two months or so I have become a completely different user than I was, and three people can confirm that.
 * One final comment: I am going to make a list below of the rights used by non-regular users. If you could comment which ones I have on my talk page that would be great.
 * Banning Powers
 * Ability to delete pages
 * Ability to change templates for the Main Page
 * Ability to give users extended privalages
 * Other rights: List them on my page.
 * Ability to give users extended privalages
 * Other rights: List them on my page.

Thank you. Arstarpool 18:05, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Thank You
Ben I just want to take a moment and thank you and the rest of the "Brass" for movin' me on up to the rank of Lieutenant. It does mean a lot and I really do appreciate it. Thank you. GOPZACK 18:28, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the promotion
Thanks for the promotion Ben, I'll try to not let you guys down. May I ask if your leaving permanently from the althist wiki, since you've moved your name to the Officers Emeritus list?--Vladivostok 21:55, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

SNU Status
Hi Ben: I realize you are busy, but had you been able to look at thoughts I posted a few weeks ago on the SNU discussion page in response to the concerns you expressed about my article and doing doing some rewrites. I would like to hear your thoughts or those of Louis as to how I could address the problems I am wrestling with in order to do a rewrite that would be acceptable to both of you. Given my article has been out there for some time, I want to be able to move it forward so it could be accepted given the work I have invested thus far. Thanks.--Fxgentleman 15:52, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Ben: No problem. I can imagine having been away and everybody asking you for assistance you are a bit overwhelmed right now. The link to my article is http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Sierra_Nevada_(1983:_Doomsday). If it helps any, this is the article I wrote involving parts of Nevada and adjacent California which I called the Sierra Nevada Union. We had been discussing your concerns via the main page, but I posted my response to the SNU discussion page to not take up any more space there. As I indicated, I am okay with rewriting sections of my article and redrawing my borders. I really would like to work this out with you and Louis so I can move this forward. Thanks.--Fxgentleman 23:41, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Ben: I have got a bit of a problem regarding Arstarpool and my SNU article. He keeps pushing to remove it and put it into the dead file. I really don't want this to happen given the work I have invested. Can you help? As I said before I am willing to make changes per your concerns and those of Louis. I am just waiting to hear back from you before I move forward. Thanks.--Fxgentleman 00:04, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Ben, sorry to bother you again, but I have another problem with Arstarpool and could use your advice since I have no idea wha the proper procedure is. Rather than me try and explain it here, please go the main discussion page for my article and read the latest dialogue. Thanks.--Fxgentleman 00:03, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Help with VENEZUELA
The user Venezuela has been making several odd, random changes to the Commonwealth of Nations, a strictly British organization. He added my own nation, the Commonwealth of California to the mix as well, an American nation with no history of being British. I have rolled back his edits, warned him several times, but he does not listen. Arstarpool 01:55, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

South Africa
Hi, I see on the talk page of that article something about a flags of the mebers of the Union but I see that almost none of them appear in the page, so I want to ask you if they are members and if they are if I can add them to the page. VENEZUELA 17:36, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Nope. Only the ones on the page are real members. After all, I do caretake 3 of the 4 articles, well technically 2, but whatever. Arstarpool 18:03, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Manchester Survives
I hava a proposal that the Soviet Missile at was bound for Manchester malfunctioned and exploded in the upper atmosphere Owen1983 15:28, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Request to be caretaker of Hawaii
Ben, I'd like to be a caretaker for Hawaii during your extended wikibreak. I want to respect what you've done before, just oversee the article until you decide to return to 1983:DD. --BrianD 04:16, September 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Ben. I saw what was going on elsewhere and didn't want someone who didn't give a rip for what you and editors like you did before, and use it to try to build their own little 1983:DD empire. There are a few other nations I wish I could have done the same for.


 * I do ask that you weigh in when the time comes on whether Hawai'i would rejoin the United States or stay affiliated with the ANZC. My feeling is Hawai'i in TTL would prefer the latter, and also the ANZC would not easily want to give up that territory.--BrianD 19:09, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not looking to aggravate you. For now, I'll keep Hawaii a separate nation and affiliate of the ANZC. I don't think it makes sense that Hawaii would be willing to give up its independence and affiliation with a known strong nation in favor of something few in TTL know anything about.--BrianD 03:22, September 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think Hawaii would want to leave the ANZ anyway. Hawaii has independence, and again, the ANZC is a proven commodity in this timeline. You also raise a great point: Hawaii's not strong enough to pull away from the ANZ.BrianD 03:41, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Costa Rica Plaubility Issues
Hello Ben, welcome back! There are some things I need to talk to you regarding the article. Believe me, not only am I of Costa Rican hertiage, but my uncle was Abel Pacheco, president of Costa Rica in 2002 to 2006 and I have spent about 48 months in the country during different times in my life. While I know you probably did a lot of research in making it, I have some advice too.


 * The biggest issue is Limon. I'm sorry but I have visited Limon many a time and while the populace sticks out like a sore thumb secession would be ut of the question. I hate it that most people think that since they abolished their military anyone can just trample them but actually their Police Force is very well-armed and very capable of defeating a Contra, secessionist, or Nicaraguan threat. To say, they do not attack any country, and never will, but it is the duty of the Police Force do defend.


 * The economy wouldn't be as shipwrecked as you state. Many industries would still be able to export into South America and the Pacific.

Please respond when you can, and with your permission I would like to become a contributor to the article. Arstarpool 23:30, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Well yes, I live part time in the unorganized, unincorporated village of Sacramento de Heredia, Heredia Province, Costa Rica. The "real" Costa Rica is nothing like those other Central American porquerias, instead the Republic is a country very nice people, and a very healthy, high standard of living and speak English at about 25% percent of the populace (more than the US Commonwealth of Puerto Rico!). The populace of Sacramento is mainly caretakers for rich greengos who never even come to their houses there in the first place! If you go up the road, it will take you to the Volcano Barva, which is Costa Rica's most unvisisted National Park. It's actually the most spacious and most relaxing.

Anyways, my paternal grandmother is a "tica" (Costa Rican), and one of my aunts was born there. Well they are pretty rich folks and all, the Pacheco-Arias family (no, not Oscar Arias) used to own pretty much all of Guanacaste, and still owns about 60,000 acres of land. Anyways, my uncle was not really an influential person, but he did start the first steps towards an even more open economy (called the TLC Plan in Costa Rica).

About the Nicaraguans, they are at the bottom of Costa Rica's social triangle. While the Costa Ricans industrialize more, they leave the Nicas to do the work nobody wants to do, but it is better than any work in Nicaragua I can tell you.

Limon is really a collection of blacks from the slave days and whites from the US. The thing is I don't see who would actually support secession. While Limon is different from the rest of the Republic they are in no way like any other minority group that would wish to secede like in other countries. This, to be honest, is the most implausible part of the entire article.

Also, you may have forgotten that the Police Force could have used the Valle Central, or Central Valley as a defense point. They could simply choke off all roads going out of Alajuela, Heredia, and San Jose and pretty much have their own mountanious barricade against attacks. And the mountian towns such as Paso Llano and such grow much more cattle than is actually eaten.

I would really want to help you out on this article, believe me when it comes to the Central Valley and Guanacaste I'm a pro. I can point out to you some towns that aren't even on the map that can be good defense points for the Police Force and the "last" Army base in all of Costa Rica that is pretty much an impregnable fortress. Arstarpool 04:13, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks regarding the ANZC Islands?

Ok, here is my problem. The Costa Ricans would just be hard to split. When they got rid of their military that forever changed the country. They wouldn't be confused on who is on who's side because their de-militarization has taught them to not follow anyone following a military (Nicas, Sandinistas, rebels in general)! That would be like having Switzerland to chose either NATO or the WP. Arstar [talk] 21:38, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Hi Ben
its good to have you back--Owen1983 10:55, September 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Owen :) Benkarnell 14:32, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

For the first time in my life I actually agree with everyone's favourite infamous-user. How've you been, Mr. Carnehl? It's been awhile but all I did was school, school, rowing, pilgrimage to Greece, and more school and rowing, so you're not missing out on any stories. I thought about rewriting my IB articles as they're absolutely appauling, but after what happened last time, I better not. How's Ethelred the Pious going? We're studying Anglo-Saxon literature in British literature, I've been on a rather Anglo-Saxon/Celtic/Viking lately. The uchronie involving the Aragonese Netherlands should be up-"soon" :). Mr.Xeight 00:04, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Yukon
I know you're back now, and will be for a while, but I was wondering if I could take care of the Yukon for you while you are gone. Would fit in well with my work in the northwest territories.

Basically the same idea as Brain with Hawaii.

Lordganon 08:56, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

I do like your ideas for the place.

Lordganon 22:21, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Minor ANZC Articles
Hey I was wondering if you could give me permission to edit on, , and , and should you ever leave again caretaker reponsibilities as well. Please reply when possible, Arstarpool 22:52, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Alaskan Reporter John Ryan
I've gone ahead and used John Ryan as the interviewer of a report on the United Communities that I'm doing. If you give me your permission than thank you, but if you don't I will find someone else to use. Please respond :) Arstar [talk] 01:56, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Costa Rica Issues Revisited
I brought the issue back in my head and to be honest I like your works but as a Costa Rican the history makes no sense to me. What I don't get is why the Police Force, which in reality an "army" in denial and supplied by the US, even back then would be able to fight a defensive war and outright win would just fail to take control of the country so outrightly while under-supplied Contras would sure supreme over half the country and Nicaragua would just take over so easily. The part you said on my talk page about the Costa Ricans "not knowing who was on who's side" just makes no sense at all. The Costa Ricans are a demilitarized country which would know automatically not to follow anyones orders who has a gun other than the Police Force. The part of fleeing to Limon makes less sense as Limon has no way of defending itself compared to the Central Valley; plus it is the spot in Costa Rica with probably the most crime. But why does everyone think they are some helpless country open to attack so easily? It just doesn't make sense to me why any of this would happen, and if anyone would be suffering it would be Nicaragua, a country gripped with crime and corruption, would then just decide to take over Guanacaste because it belonged to them a long time ago? The Police Force would be deployed and defeat the Nicaraguans which would probably surrender after the first shot. And don't get me started on the Limon Secession. What weapons would they be using? Why would they want to be independent? This article, no offense, is one of the "at-a-computer-researching-and-then-writing-an-article" pages. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but there are some things that native's know that you won't find on Wikipedia or Google or FEMA lists. You see, my uncle is Abel Pacheco. If anyone would know politics of the country it would be him. He was an average president but he put the first steps for making the homeland defense stronger yet. But Costa Rica isn't a weakling who would have to hold piece talks while the Contras and the Nicas steal land from them. They would be deployed to the border of Nicaragua and they would make sure they fought a defensive war. And we all know the benefits of a defensive war. I'm not saying nobody would invade but it wouldn't happen on the level you state it would in the article.

I've put the article under review. I wish I could make it sound good but some major changes need to be made. I also know I should have gotten clearance from someone else but nobody else really notices the page that much for me to start a review campaign or something.

Sorry, Arstar [talk] 06:57, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

TSPTF
Since you have been more active recently, are you at all interested in being listed as active again with the TSPTF? Mitro 19:14, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah Ben, how bout it? Arstar 04:05, October 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * I suppose I probably should. I just read the whole Owen drama and feel that some user comments went way over the line. ... What can I say? You guys need another responsible grown-up around here ;). Sure, consider me active. Benkarnell 12:43, October 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Welcome back! Arstar 20:54, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Yukon and the Northwest Territories
Looking at the bases in Whitehorse and Yellowknife, today they seem to be only tiny bases, not more than a couple hundred personnel each, and largely used for cadets and small amounts of reserves. I know in 1983 there'd have been more there, but it would be fairly pointless to hit either.

Alert is a glorified listening post, realistically. Besides, no expeditions would have gone into that area since doomsday anyway.

Looking into the DEW line, it seems it was useless against ICBMs and submarine-launched missiles - only really effective against bombers. Can't really see a need to hit them.

And yeah - your portrayal is what would happen there too, so that was the result I wrote.

Lordganon 14:32, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

Need isn't the right word, I suppose. What I meant more so is that there would be little point to doing so. I doubt that the Soviets would care much about Canadian sovereignty in the area - never did.

You have to remember, none of these bases had more than like 500 people at them at their height, which would have been prior to 1983. They may be the main Canadian military presence in the area, but hitting them is akin to trying to nuke each company of allied troops in Germany, or every allied ship - fairly insignificant in the long run.

The personnel at these bases wouldn't even be enough for them to control Yellowknife or Whitehorse, let alone be a threat. I admit, Alert could be hit - but literally the only thing there is a weather station and intelligence-gathering post. And it'll die off on its own by winter's end, if not sooner.

CFNA by my research has never really consisted of more than a couple thousand troops. Honestly, I can't see a recent to hit any of these targets.

Lordganon 15:58, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

Not completely right about Alert. It didn't actually detect ICBM's - it detected secret communications with regards to test launches, and the like.

Think about it this way: the Soviets detected a launch, and fired in response. Given what I know about Alert, they likely would have detected the activity behind the launches as they were being fired, or before. Heck, it's likely that Alert would be where the American government received the first warnings from. You can call it a strike for that, but by the time it would be hit, it would have already achieved its purpose. If it has already achieved its purpose before it could possibly be hit, there's really no need to hit it.

Besides, given the post-Doomsday world, there'd be no way anyone could have gone to the area around Alert anyway. It's just too far north - as far as I know, the furthest north anyone has gone since 1983 is part-way up the coast of Greenland, northern Baffin Island, and Ellef Ringnes Island, a fair ways southwest of Ellesmere Island. The most anyone should know at this point is rumors from the wandering Inuits in the area about that far north.

Lordganon 04:18, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

TSPTF nominees
Last week Lordganon was nominated as a constable and I was nominated as a lieutenant. I realize that we're all busy, and the Owen saga has captured people's attention as well. Is there anything that could be done to remind everyone of the nominations so Lordganon and I aren't left hanging?BrianD 20:07, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

Mitro
I read is post about my sockpuppets endoftime and User:Zh'xonRomulus‎. are not my sockpuppets --Hamster2010 01:09, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

Yes it is Owen, as is Hamster2010, Hamster1983, chip1990, Commander data, and however many you feel the need to make and we feel the need to block! the bad spelling is a give away!--Smoggy80 20:20, October 16, 2010 (UTC)