User talk:LurkerLordB

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Berlin-Denmark War
can you figure the algorithm for the Berlin-Denmark war? France, USG, Flanders and Nubia have joined on Denmark's side. Andr3w777 00:00, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

I northern Africa, they are sending supplies to France via Italy (and some military aid I think Andr3w777 00:18, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

How would Wales- a Celtic nation- vassal South Ireland(also Celtic) our ancestry is similar historically isn't it? I am curious because Wales wants to expand while avoiding war. Andr3w777 17:44, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about the confusion. I attempted the alogorithm and got it partially correct, then i saked Ezra to correct my mistakes. I took control of Wales in 1911 if that helps you. Andr3w777 20:23, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Georgia
Anybody can come and start controling Georgia, I will not object, and I will not do anything to stop it, that was the point. and I am not stopping anyone from asking to control poland either, they are just in personal union with Russia. ask a friend to take control of them if you want, i couldnt care less-Lx (leave me a message) 01:50, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

Your revolts in Georgia are actualy making me fast-track my original plans for a "Russian Commonwealth". Around 1930 Ukraine will ask for Commonwealth State Status, then soon after Kazakhstan will follow, and then Lithuania, and thats about it unless you can see another state that can be formed.-Lx (leave me a message) 01:56, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

What I was doing was saying that All the South Caucassian Lands are no longer uner russian control, and it is more like a "you are now part of Transcaucasia, if the Georgians want out, its no longer russia's problem"-Lx (leave me a message) 02:04, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

And also, the choices you gave me are rather insulting: you go to war, or your country is completely destroyed by a domino effect of you let that go why not us(thats how I understood it).-Lx (leave me a message) 02:06, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

The commonwealth is still going to be created, georgia is just probably going to go screw that when its all done and then russias just going to get fed up and stop dealing with it, is that good? But the commonwealth will be created, maybe without the part labeled Gruzia(my best attempt at drawing the modern borders of Gerogia without south osetia and Abkhazia, witch are not realy georgian peoples).-Lx (leave me a message) 02:21, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

I decided to go the easy route, and I added this at the end and uncrossed my post, is it ok?

Georgia however, is just not realy moving, and nearly a week after the creation they start rumbling again. Russia gets fed up with it and says its no longer their problem, The Weak Trascaucasian Governement does noting, and after long strife, Georgia is finaly independant. Lenin resigns and Trotsky steps up as Chancelor.  Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili(Stalin) Steps up as the Leader of Georgia, and starts to act just as he did in OTL. -Lx (leave me a message) 02:31, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

Question (PM)
Hello.

Is it okay if I re-edit 1918 and 1919? I accidentally wrote Tenshi Mäkeläinen instead of Katriin Mägi (Tenshi Mäkeläinen was only Prime Minister of the Republic of Kazami, and the Eesti Vabariik didn't had it's Prime Minister changed yet.) I know that past turns are not to be allowed to edit, but I made a mistake in putting Tenshi Mäkeläinen for Eesti Vabariik when it was supposed to be Katriin Mägi. -Kogasa 20:24, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

As long as you have more mod events for the NPCs than we currently have in PM1 in PM2, then I'm game. It just bugs me how you have player nations doing stuff, and the NPCs don't react at all hardly. Its not life like at all VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:16, June 4, 2012 (UTC).

Well you have my support then :) VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 11:12, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Help
Could you halp me with the algorithms for the two wars I had started? I'd forgotten how to properly make an algorithm, and I am sick of them remaining unresolved.

Yank 01:22, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Welcome Back (PM)
Her Lurker, welcome back from your break. As you can see, Bharat has been busy. A nuclear project and arms race is going on and Dravidia has begun its production of its own aircraft. You might want to state the production finishes and it starts to become mass-produced. Bharat already has its own Spitfire and Hurricane counter-parts, and the plane Dravidia is producing is a Messeschimt 109 counter-part. I have also managed to keep expanding Dravidia's colony and it has seems to have done well.

In other news, Onguayal and the USA along with Kwasihirio have been at work in South America to give Imperial powers the boot. Also, Australia is now also in a dynastical union with Bharat after its war with the country and the following negociations (there was quite a bit of roleplay, lol). Afghanistan has started research on how to condense water-vapour into clouds to form rain so its rains more and the country gets to grow more crops.

Apart from all this, the union of Bharat, Dravidia, Afghanistan and Australia has been given a new name, the United Kingdom of Hindustan (I know it should be Empire but oh well). Bengal has also come under Bharat's protection after a government change which had something to do with Bharat. The country is right now getting back up onto its feet.

That's all I think. Is there anything you would like to ask? :D Imperium Guy 12:18, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Easternised World question
Hello.

Do you think there will be a or a Touhou Project equivalent in the time-line, or no? If so, can I make a proposal page for it if it's okay? -Kogasa 17:30, June 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll be sure to keep it in mind. Anyway, I made the proposal page here already. I plan to make the series different from OTL, and since the OTL Touhou Project has only very few Western elements (examples: Palace of the Earth Spirits is a Western-styled mansion and the Scarlet Devil Mansion is a European-styled mansion), it should be very easy to take out/change. If there are any problems, let me know. -Kogasa [[Image:Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png|23px|border]][[Image:宮城県.png|23px|border]][[Image:Flag of Japan.png|23px|border]] 19:22, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

1450 (PM II)
I think that the map was designed by you, and i have lots of errors to report.such as:
 * existance of non-existing yet states such as:
 * Sibir (1490)
 * Uzbek Khanate (1500)
 * non-existance of still existing nations sych as:
 * Oyo (1400)
 * Despotate Of Epirus (only was annexed in 1479.)
 * Nogai Horde (broke off from the Golden Horde circa 1440)
 * Serbian Despotate (annexed in 1459)
 * League of Lezhë (founded in 1444)
 * wrongly designed borders
 * Hungary/Moldavia/Wallachia (smaller than it was) /Bosnia (on OTL Croatia.)/Croatia (on northern Croatia/Hungary)
 * Ryazan is south from where it actually was.
 * Kazan may be actually northeast of its actual location.
 * In OTL, the Akan states only occupied a area roughly equivalent to Ghana and Ivory Coast.In the map, they got to Guinea-Bissau.

among some other smaller errors. i already corrected some of them, and also were those Russian states (Pskov, Muscovy, Novgorod, Yaroslavl, Ryazan, Rostov, Tver), as people would assume that only Novgorod and Muscovy existed.when i tried to correct it, finding a map of the area was very difficult.This was just to warn you of the errors present, and that i couldn't add the subtitles. (in the proccess of editing Moldavia, i lost their subtitles, and i didn't managed to add one for Serbia or Oyo.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 16:25, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Yes. I will try to make more corrections, such as finding a map of the Timurids so i can see what their borders were, and then, set the borders of the Golden Horde (correction of Kazan's position included), and overall, try to add nations.specially on Southwest Asia.By the way, Do you use MS Paint?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 21:45, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Soviet Remnant
No. Between the impact of the democratic changes happening around them, and the movement of military forces, not possible.

The Soviet military would not have let it happen, either.

Lordganon 18:29, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

'''Hi i noticed that you want to play as China in my VLR game. I believe it's up for grabs because Ian hasnt posted for a long time. Nevertheless, you should ask him on his talk page, its Ianian58. However other nations are open like Russia! (Taco resigned) --AP'''

They broke up my country in PM!!! I was not on for awhile due to internet issues and had no possible way of editing my posts. How do I undue this? It seems really unfair. I didn't leave the wiki I was just unable to edit posts. What can I do to fix this? Is there someone I can talk to? I like PM I just wish I had a bigger nation. and how the hell did I lose Iceland. I have a large military and alliesAndr3w777 17:07, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

I understand. Also I didn't write the second part about the war ending badly. I don't know who did. I decided to stage a coup to replace the current regiem with a more peaceful one. Also can I be on PM Mark II when it starts?Andr3w777 20:14, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

I like this plan. I was planning a sort of depression after the war so this will give my people something to llok forward to. I have signed up as Bavaria for PM IIAndr3w777 21:39, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Excuse Lurk, Andrew current argument is this: It is implausible for Ireland to leave the PCU because Ireland's national party holds a great majority of the parliament and Ireland's national party members have been the PMs since the collectivist revolt. He asked me to speak to you on his behalf because he thinks you are not listening to him because he is a relatively new user on this wiki in comparison to you. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:16, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I took so long to respond to you. To business:

MP has also said that he intended to speak to other Roman players later after he spoke with me/Brandenburg. Btw, do you know who had Brandenburg in Game 1? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:46, June 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK then, I do suppose splitting the nation in two would be better. If you could do that, it would be good.

Russian States in PMII
I looked at the map, and its a pretty good job, but The Russian States and Lithuania are not very well represented(especialy novgorod). Novgorod is not badly done, but its territory does extend to the Urals. I don't mean to be rude, but I put RUssian states indented and under one heading(not realy, just Russians states in bold). If its ok then I'll edit the map for Russia and Lithuania according to these maps, if not, then please try to make them look a bit like this. I think that Lithuania extends to far east, and thati where moscow is supposed to be, but I recongnize the difficulty in actualy making a working map form scratch, I did georgia and that took a lot of time. I cant imagine what doing all of the world was. Russian states bordered the Chrimea khanate in every map of this era that I found, and on this one it doesnt. I'm sorry if any of this comes out as rude, but its becasue i'm not sure that I can edit the



actual map.



I have a question in regards to PM II, why not end the game in 1999 or 2000 instead of 89, i mean it is recent but it is still the past. I was just curious about it. Shouls i continue the propaganda in Britanny now the France might be back?Andr3w777 06:10, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Hitchiker's
You are correct. 'And another thing... ' was written by E. Colfer in 2010 (I think)

Never heard of 'Young Zaphod plays it safe' where is it available?

Thanks David Rain (Sometimes...) 07:21, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

It was a good book- I recommend it vaguely- but not if you liked the Hitchhiker's series. Or if you are trying to read something serious. Guns (talk) 11:45, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Hungary in PMII
Hey, I've been researching the 15th century history of Hungary for the past two days, and I'm wondering if I could play as Hungary in PMII. Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 13:22, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I know, but when I signed up as Hungary yesterday, when I looked there today, I've noticed that my name was removed from it. :P Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 13:27, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, alright then xD It explains everything on that matter then. By the way, from what I understood Sigsimund(ruler of Hungary until 1437) was a king of Bohemia, what's the situation of Bohemia in 1450? I couldn't really find any sources. Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 13:49, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

But, was it actually the part of Hungary, or...? Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 13:59, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Can you give me an idea, on how should it be done? I mean, what should I do, to make it fully plausible. As from what I'm thinking, I'd just connect Bohemia in 1453 into Hungary, and then I'd have to do something about "rebels"? I'm not quite sure. Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 04:35, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Hello? Lurker? :D Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 13:55, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Can I do it in 1450, or should I wait for 1452/1453 for some reason? Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 14:15, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I have no huge desire of being an empire(yet), but Bohemia was on my list of interest, so I guess I'll go with uniting. What should I know about uniting by the way? What are the conditions and the aftermath of uniting? Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 14:46, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

I see. But would there be some kind of way to get the out of HRE and then invade them with my forces? Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 15:02, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

PM II and former colonies/Sovereignity defense league (PM I)
Which was the decision about former colonies on PM II?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:17, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

What is the Sovereignity defense league?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:17, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

So i accept that proposal to enter this that you made me when you accepted my alliance proposal.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:33, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

And the rest?How can we assure that other nations won't colonize them after their indpendence?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:33, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Micronationalism exists everywhere, that doesn't mean it always succeeds. We do not even have many supergiant empires in this game. Example: America even today has Mexican nationalists in the Southwest (New Mexico, Arizona, Mexican Cession lands, Texas) but you don't see California, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas seceding and joining Mexico or forming a new nation. They are still part of America. Furthermore, a lie is a lie when someone presents it as a fact. I stated it once and as my opinion, and I am entitled to my opinion.

And as a side note, I will tell you that all the part of Denmark (Denmark, Sweden, Greenland) are similar: they are all Scandinavian (or have Scan. people in Greenland's case), they are all Nordic, they have one majority religion, one culture, etc, etc.

As a last not, if I have offended you, please accept my apology.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 05:00, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Bengali Discussion
I don't hate them, but Muslims are a huge problem for Bharat, as we are trapped from all sides. So what should I do now? :/ Imperium Guy 16:34, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

I'll let Akaran break away from Bengal, but I don't need to give Bengal semi-autonomy as it is not even a part of Bharat, just a protectorate. I will place the muslims at around 70%, its a stretch but I think it is enough. All I need to do now is handle the country well. :D Imperium Guy 22:40, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

BTW, I saw what you said about the conquering of the country next to Bhutan. I did not conquer that country, it is just Begal's vassal.

I also plan to impose an aparahiet system in Bengal when the Prime Minister would impose segregation by religion (he will be Buddhist). A Nelso Mandela figure will arise, in the form of a Buddhist Agnostic. However, the government would be doing this to increase Buddhists, and over the years there will be a increase. Back to the Nelson Mandela figure. He will be exiled to New Hattanwaddy, but will eventually return in the 90s.

By this time, the Bengalis have been succesful(ish) in their goal and only 35% of the population remain muslim. Still, he manages to do what Nelson Mandela did and he ends Aparthied and make the country secular. Then, the country will hold a referendum to join Bharat as an SAR in the late 00s and will narrowly pass. After that I don't know!! :D Imperium Guy 13:22, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

C'mon I said 70% muslim (I added the "its a stretch" bit after it as well). I will say to around 45% then. I will aslo say that more of the muslims which have changed religion became free-thinkers (around 20%) as their belief in allah dwindled because he did not "save" them from aparthied. This will also happen with the Buddhists, mind.

But I think having the figure as a Buddhist would gve it more of a twang if you know what I mean (I did say he was agnostic). He might become more agnostic and maybe even come into the free-thinker category starting the "free-thinking revolution".

About the genocide, no. There might be some in the choas when the nation is entering Aparthied but none will be carried out by the government intentionally or officially.

What do you think now? :/ Imperium Guy 14:47, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

The Buddhists will be hit. But its a shame that they wouldn't rally around him cause it would have been brilliant if he would have started of the revolution.

On second thoughts, the muslim Nelson Mandela figure could begin the "free-thinker revolution" as well, could he not? :D Imperium Guy 17:33, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

The most famous one of course being Muhamed Ali!! :D Imperium Guy 18:44, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

I know this sounds stupid but how do you archive a talk page?Andr3w777 04:53, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

IPs as sockpuppets
Depends on the context, and if there's any proof. Lordganon 01:17, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

hey Berlin hasn't been on PM for ages can you ask Ezra if he's still interested in playing?Andr3w777 02:01, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

PM II Lithuania
I changed from Hungary to Lithuania as Imperium suggested to me. Is there any way to play as Poland, and if not, any way to fully annex Poland in some kind of way? Even though they both were equal, it says that Poland was dominant power. Is there any way of civil war then, or anything else? Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 04:12, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Then, do you think there is a way for Poland-Lithuanian Commonwealth become powerful? Also, look at this. It says that there was no dynastic union(commonwealth) before 1569!!! Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 04:31, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Strange thing. Even tho I knew a lot about Polish-Lithuanian history, I hear of Casimir IV first time. I only knew about Jogaila so far. But alright. So basically I can control both Poland and Lithuania fully? So I'll just follow the basic successor-predecessor timeline by Wikipedia? Also, do you think it would be possible to defeat Teutonic Knights and then Pskov at the beginning of the game? :P (Hungary is too hard subject for me to research xD) Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 04:48, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

I followed your advise about Britanny, when would be a good time to have them slit. I am open to optionsAndr3w777 (talk) 02:19, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

Just a heads up on the sign ups, you say personal union for a lot of nations but in reality it was one nation taking over another's foreign affairs. Poland led, and so did Denmark in theirs. If it is ok with you I can fix these up as I have multiple sources on the Middle Ages. Scandinator (talk) 10:49, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

There is too big a difference between dynastic unions, personal unions and vassals. Vassals usually have a leader that must obey certain types of orders from their liege kingdom. These can vary but the usuals arefollowing the leading kingdom in foreign affairs and wars. Personal Unions are two nations that share the same king who rules both nations however they can't integrate the two nations into one unless a signficant period of time has passed under a stable rule allowing cultural assimilation and dilution. Dynastical unions are two nations that share the same family but are ruled by different people. They usually co-operate much better in times of crisis but schisms can occur and one may attack the other.

To govern the various types of unions and vassals I propose the following rules. Vassals must obey every word of their liege kingdom unless occupied by another kingdom or going up against unbeatable odds. Personal Unions will listen to the leading kingdom's every word as they are ruled by the same king, however in wars, occupation by a foreign nation and unbeatable odds there is a large chance of revolt in the kingdom that the king did not originate from (eg Hungary revolts in Austria-Hungary). In dynastical unions the senior member of that dynasty has greater influence and the junior member acts like a vassal in wars but can revolt in peacetime and start a war against the senior branch of that dynasty. Scandinator (talk) 01:28, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Also how did you put the words on the map? I can't do that without blurring the words and the image around the word. Scandinator (talk) 01:33, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

About Japanisation of PMII
Thanks. I guess ever since you told me to stop copy pasting, I have tried to be more detailed with my posts. Even though I still copy paste, I try to add something new if I can (and if I have any ideas). ^^

I know. Though the only reason why I did it is because Japan itself was conquered at the time, and I wanted to really play as Japan. Though, I ended up taking Finland. Since I wanted to have a Japanese-styled nation, I asked Japan for an alliance and to have Kōchi (city in Kōchi Prefecture, Japan) as a trading post, and went from there. Though at least I had Finnish paganism have a revival, and kept a few of the Finnish cultures, I know that it still was unlikely. I know it was all implausible, and I'm sorry for that.

As for the Shinto/Japanising Thailand in the next game, I wasn't planning on it, don't worry (it's still an East/South East Asian nation, and I usually intend to play nations from that region, if I can't get Japan itself to play). And actually, I did wanted to play as Japan in the next game, but Yank beat me to it, hence why I chose Thailand instead. I'll try asking him if he can switch nations. If not, then I can go with option two or three. -Kogasa 17:21, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

I was actually thinking about that, having the Ainu become an empire and being Japanised, but I wasn't sure if you would have accepted it or not.

I'm also interested in having Japan be split into two. As long as I have Shikoku and maybe Kyushu it be fine for me. I'll think I'll take the Japan split in two option instead. :D -Kogasa 18:47, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Japan (Principia Moderi II)
That's unecessary. I've decided to wait for the inevitable Principia Moderni III to pick Japan.

Yank 02:54, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Spread of Communism
Hello Lurk, I don't who else I can resort to, but you came to my mind first.

A couple of the users in the Spread of Communism Map Game deleted the game's content. They erased all the users and started a whole brand new game.

I'm not too sure what should be done about this, but as of now, I, as the last remaining active mod from the original game, have banned the leaders of this movement from the game temporarily. They are Scandinator, Stewdio333, and RWG.

Please help me, because I don't know what to do right now, with the game's creator GRSGov currently inactive. I am seeking your counsel because I know you are both an admin and an active map gamer, so I think you are fully capable of making the right decision.

If I shouldn't have done anything to them, please tell me and I will undo it immediately and apologize to them.

If further action should be taken, tell me and I will see if I can do so.

If you could please help me in this situation it would be greatly appreciated. :)

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:34, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Is my reversal of the 007 series okay. I mean I did completely re-write the stories and the charachters are different. The new movie when it releases will have different actors playing different roles etc; All I did was take a franchise name and flip it on its head.Andr3w777 (talk) 21:16, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Blood Rain
Help! I admit I am useless at source code. What I ment to put is that the author of this article shows no interest in improving his AltHist to the required quality demands this article will be deleted. It has not been updated since the day of it's creation (it is supposed to be a live history) and has no major fleshing out of things. David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk) 16:33, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, Lurk, with all this Wonderlaand stuff going on in PM, do I run the risk of losing Sweden?

He curently says that he poured billions of Kronas into funding Swedish seperatist parties, then I told him that unless some folks from Wonderlaand got in there, there would not have been any seperatists to begin with.

Currently I'm pondering war with Wonderlaand, with the intentions of replacing Wonderlaand's current government. Would the SDL step in in this case? (Lol, "in in")

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:07, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Well, Von said that he did pour billions of dollars into the effort when I said "there are little to no seperatists in Denmark" and he responded along the lines of "I poured billions of Krona into the effort and you're saying there are no seperatists?"

Well, I do suppose that could free me over worrying over war. In fact I was close to asking him where he got all the money from.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:16, July 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * I said millions of Krona not billions of dollars for starters Scraw. Secondly I mean like 10s millions not the 100s of millions that you've probably got in your head. And its like 7 krona to 1 US dollar using today's conversion rates in OTL anyway so its not that much. Thirdly this is over the cause of the past 8 years while Wonderlaand has been supporting Swedish independence, not millions every year. Finally why would a government spend so much for something like this, that it would put themselves into financial difficulty? Wonderlaand is in no way spending the amounts which would put themselves into economic troubles, that was never my intention.


 * I thought by now there would of been a mod event showing Swedish revolt seeing how Wonderlaand have been supporting Swedish independence since they got independence in 1947, and they've also been supporting it while as a colony of Nippon too (albeit not as much as they have been doing since independence). I've been doing this for 8 years now and a lot of propaganda has been sent. If Norway, got independence, then how come Sweden a nation which to be one of the world's greatest powers, has successfully rebelled against Finnish rule, not decided to rebel against Denmark when they know there declaration of independence would definitely have foreign support? VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 19:17, July 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, millions' and not billions'''. Meh. I'd estimate you'd have spent at least 63 million US dollars by now, although my former math led to believe that the number was closer to 910 or something.
 * Also, as I said, it's because they don't give a cent and don't want it either. Norway got it, simply put, because, Denmark was weak then. Besides, once I asked why Norway left and not Sweden. Sweden was weak, ravaged war-torn, in an economic slump, crime was rampant all over the place, again, they were far too weak to pull it off. Also, Wonderlaand's support is nothing compared to the might of Denmark's strength and power. Tell you what, I've an idea. Wonderlaand continues its stuff, to no avail. Sweden does not leave Denmark in any way possible. You (Von/Wonderlaand) stop lying. [[Image:IMPERIAL NY-SPQR 1.png|25px]][[Image:Regen Flag.png|30px|border]] Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:38, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Deletions
Just wondering - why do we delete pages? I mean, I get that some are deleted to keep the site looking nice, but others, like defunct map games, I would think would be kept for future reference. I don't care either way, just curious. CourageousLife (talk) 18:17, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

SoA 5 does not qualify for deletion: "If a game goes defunct (Hasn't been edited in 7 days), hasn't advanced past 10 turns, and can't be successfully revived, place a " " template on the page."

The game advanced well past 15 turns so it doesn't meet deletion requirements.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:24, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

That's pretty much where I was going with it to, Scraw just beat me to the punch. CourageousLife (talk) 18:27, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

But our archive has 28 turns CourageousLife (talk) 18:28, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

That is not true in any way. We have an archive. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:30, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Sorry for the trouble! CourageousLife (talk) 18:31, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Principia modeni Mars
Well, realisticaly, the only reason we arent at mars yet is because we spenr money on the Space shuttle(witch costs a lot of Moulah to operate...witch is why it was shut down and US now pigybacks on Russian Rocketrs) rather than going to mars in rockets. So realisticaly, you could argue that its either Mars or the Shuttle for one side in the Asia-Europe Pseudo-cold war. Also, if the Emperor of Russia becomes the Danish Ruler, then the process would be similar to Joining the Russian commonwealt(as what happened to Whales).

Dear LurkerLord,

It's been a while, and I'm looking to have some insight on other's ideas.

I took a look in the List of Althists and I couldn't find anything, and I figure there must be a bunch of orphaned articles that haven't even been added to the list yet.

So, do you know some Althists that I could adopt? If you could get back to me on this, it'd be great.

Thanks,

IdealisticPrawn (talk) 02:30, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

PMII Map
I have spent the last 3 days in three different libraries looking for elusive maps of the time period 1445-1455. Needless to say, after going to the three biggest libraries in Sydney, I found maps that cover small patches of the world. I now have enough mini maps to form a world picture and fix the borders of all the states in; Europe minus HRE minors (as in the tiny ones), America minus Mississipi states (which had all collapsed by the last 15th century), Africa and Asia. If you allow me to then I will fix up the map to 1450 but I estimate it will take two months (uni entrance tests in early August plus OCD). If having the map on the week before PMII is launched is too tight for you then I will give all the maps I have gathered to someone else. But be warned, I sourced about 60% of the maps from French and German books (I have a basic grasp of both languages) so I was wondering if you are fine with letting me rework the entire map over the next two months? I sent this to Collie too. Thanks Scandinator (talk)

Most nations are only getting slight modifications but there are many player nations heavily affected. Brandenburg is two times larger than in 1450. Scraw has already picked it. Novogrod (Lx) should be quite a bit larger on the eastern side at the expense of Moscow. And about half the African states don't exist yet. The Incan Empire (Yank) is also about three times too large and France (RWG) is a lot smaller as this map has not shown English (Gala) held territory in the hundred years war and part of Burgundy is lumped into France; Bavaria is also quite a bit too big (Andr3w), Muenster (no-one yet) is massively oversized in the north of HRE, Venice is undersized (me lol) and a lot of the other Balkan and Italian terriotries are too small or too big or non existant on the map. China (Crim) needs to be a bit bigger on the map and the Ottomans are too big in Asia Minor (Dean Sims). Aztec (Kunarian)  and Maya are also too big. India and the Middle East need some resizing with missing nations and border fixes. Cambodia is too big and some SE Asian states are non-existant. Indonesian states are too small. Thats kinda all the major changes... The only region not getting a big change is the Iberian Peninsula.

So it kinda seems quite a few players have indentified "larger" nations and picked them -.- SE Asia is really accurate for 1400 and I think you worked off the maps on the net? The problem with them is that they are REALLY limited and vague on years. Thats why I use libraries, head to 911 on the Dewey System for Historical Maps. I think we should add a warning onto the signup list and I'll contact the player nations majorly affected if you want. Also I am proposing giving player nations an idea of what their nation has been through so far before they start. It seems really unrealistic if France and England suddenly became friends before the 1600s, they fought countless times in OTL history and WWI was the first time they allied together O.O. Scandinator (talk) 08:31, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

The biggest nations that no longer exist are Naples, Sicily, Most of the african ones, several in SE Asia and India. But most of the changes are adding nations and shrinking borders. No player nation is non-existant in 1450 though some die out within 50 years. Scandinator (talk) 09:12, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

What's Scandinator saying is true, and I also think that it could be a good idea to play as regions if your nation is annexed/occupied, for example as I play as Australia in PM1. It was part of Bharat for many years now.  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 09:21, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Venice needs more land on the Italain Peninsula at the expense of Milan. They also need shriking on the Greek Peninsula. There's one nation in Burma that no longer exists and a few more in India, sorry I lumped them together and just said SE Asia and India. For Indonesia we need to add the vassal states. I have a map of Atjeh and the rest of SE Asia in 1450 so I'll use that. Brunei is fine as it is. I just saw too much black in Indonesia so I assumed the states were too small but then I looked at the map I found and saw we were missing a couple of other states. I assumed Naples still existed since their name was on the signups still. Also should we contact the other players about their nation's size decreasing or increasing? Scandinator (talk) 22:10, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

I misread one of the maps... It said Burmese Kingdoms and grouped two of the states together. My bad. Scandinator (talk) 08:54, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Evulz/Platypus
There's a few users out there that do this - one account per computing device, or per wiki, etc. No harm, no foul - he's fine unless he tries to use it to cheat. Lordganon (talk) 08:11, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Like you said
So, you say that no people born after 1450. I'm wondering if I can have whole Huniadi and Corvinus family assassinated, so that my custom family could join in. How would that sound?  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 16:02, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Nah, Bohemia does not really fall in a huge sphere of importance for me. Nor it has any strategic resources.  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 19:54, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Brythonic Confederation
Brythonic refers to ancient Celts in Britain, not Brittany. Breton is the adjective referring to Brittany. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 04:44, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

I understand that the age of Empires is over, but I was wondering if I could open diplomatic channels with Flanders, and over a long period of time, join them with the Commonwealth. This is just an idea, as you know I started late and have been handicapped on expansion, it would be nice to be a bit larger than the sliver of the Isles and Britanny. I thank you for that BTW.Andr3w777 (talk) 04:05, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I thought it was just Brittany. Carry on, good sir. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 05:38, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

That is good to know, but it was all meant to be back-hand secret dealings but Bharat would not mind Dravidia knowing (plus this is a good chance to get a WWII analogue). :D Imperium Guy 15:47, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

The British Question
I haven't an issue with that as long as the new Britain is free from foriegn rule. Wales would effetively cease to exist as it would be apart of the ne Britain which I would hopefully control. Ever since I started lpaying I always wanted to play as Britain, but it wasn't available.Andr3w777 (talk) 02:38, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

PM
Um, ok. But could I edit 62 as it would not affect it so much as not many nations have posted in 63? :/ Imperium Guy 15:43, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Seven Years War
THE MAP GAME HAS BEGUN! --RandomWriterGuy (talk) 00:46, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Seven Years War
THE MAP GAME HAS BEGUN! --RandomWriterGuy (talk) 00:48, July 18, 2012 (UTC)