Talk:Virginian Comics (1983: Doomsday)

Hello again Yank, would I be able to interest you in a couple of original character ideas for a Siberian led team? I was thinking something along the lines of calling them the Vanguard, perhaps doing a couple of bio's on the current team roster, etc. Some of the team ideas I have would be influenced on Marvel's Ultimate Comics characters, however.--Vladivostok 12:18, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright then, I'll be sure to give you the description as soon as I create it later today.--Vladivostok 13:38, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

I've just been thinking on new additions to the roster. I haven't added Black Panther yet, but I was thinking that Namor and Wonder Woman could have easily survived the whole affair. Inspired by the Green Lantern Corps in Superman:Red Son, I was thinking of adding that team, but as an all-Australian roster. They would, in a sense, be their Winter Guard--Vladivostok 11:10, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

There, I've added some new info. I was wondering if a quick history summary would now be in order, since I'm referencing some events in the personal character histories anyway.--Vladivostok 22:06, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Nice touch with Batman.--Vladivostok 17:37, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Green Lantern Corps
Questions regarding GL and amalgam universe:

1)Wouldn't the guardians of Oa still be the leaders of the Green Lantern Corps, and Alan Scott, not being a member of the corps but deriving his power from another source, have no authority to re-issue the rings or lead the corps?

2)If you merge the universes you have the Green Lantern corps and the Nova Corps both existing, both being mostly the same.Oerwinde 17:59, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1)True, but both powers were created by the Guardians of the Universe. I could simply dumb it down to them entrusting him to make the right decision. Alas, I'm not such a big fan of the main DC universe, so I didn't realize this problem until earlier today.
 * 2)The Nova Corps could also exist, why not. Could they possibly align with this Earth's superpower? Again, my knowledge of the Nova Corps is a bit lacking(I didn't find the comic all that enjoyable).--Vladivostok 18:06, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1)Alan Scott had his power before the Guardians collected the magical power of Earth 1 into the Starheart. What I think would be more likely than just entrusting him with the responsibility, would be to recruit him officially into the GL Corps, give him a second ring, and put him in command of sector 2814. The others I think would be recruited the same way the other GLs are recruited. Recruiting him into the corps would also allow a redesign, getting rid of that awful outfit.
 * 2)I actually think having two competing galactic police forces would make for some interesting stories and conflicts. The Nova Corps are a ripoff of the Green Lantern Corps. Like ridiculously so. At one point the corps was wiped out and Nova had to take the entire power of the corps into his body to keep it safe until a new world could be found to house it and more corpsmen recruited. Which is pretty much exactly the story of Kyle Raynor.Oerwinde 18:18, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1)Ok, I'll recruit Alan into the Corps, but I'll let him keep his original ring and costume.EDIT:Why, what's wrong with the costume? I think it is a really old school touch. The rest won't be chosen by him, but I'll keep them ANZC-born.
 * 2) Yeah, but I read about this entity called the Sun Eater which goes around eating stars, thus robbing planets of its warmth, while a woman named Dusk goes around warning planets of its approach. Now, where have we seen this before?:-)
 * Anyway, yeah, I could see them competing but keeping it a bit secretive, as both Nova and Green Lantern Corps know of the true history of their separate worlds.--Vladivostok 18:27, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Red Faction
Very cool edition with this. Are they connected to the government back in Krasnoyarsk, or is it something even more sinister?--Vladivostok 08:57, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

I figure they're basically a communist HYDRA/Cobra/AIM, etc. Independent terrorist group.Oerwinde 09:46, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Slasher Icons in Virginian Comics
I have an idea for new additions to the Virginian Comics roster of villians. Slasher film icons, namely Freddy Krueger and Jason Voorhees. I know that Nightmare on Elm Street came out in 1984, but I have an idea to compensate for that. The Freddy Krueger in Virginian Comics is not refered by his real name. Instead he is a costumed supervillian refered to as the "Dream Master" (alluding to the title of one of the Nightmare sequels). His origin in-universe is the same as in the Nightmare films, and his bio on the Virginian Comics page would explain his existance in a world possibly without Wes Craven. I would have the character be based off of the villian in a unreleased horror film, which the makers of Virginian comics managed to gain an early copy of the script. His imagined costume would include his trademark fedora (but black instead of brown), and a green-and-red (but mostly black-and-red) costume evocative of the classic comic book villian. Jason Voorhees woulld basically remain the same, as he was established years before Doomsday.

Yankovic270 23:05, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

More Candidates
Here is a list of a few heroes and villains that might have survived after Doomsday due to their abilities.

Heroes
 * 1) Hawkman & Hawkgirl- Their souls reincarnate every time they die. Plus you can't have Gentleman Ghost without the Hawks.
 * 2) Deadman- For the simple fact that he's already dead.
 * 3) Zatanna- She's a magician. She could basically turn the ICBM heading for the city into a rabbit or something.
 * 4) Thor- He is the immortal thunder god himself. It should be needless to say that he survives

Villains
 * 1) Morgaine le Fey- Immortal witch arch foe of Merlin and King Arthur.
 * 2) Felix Faust- Same reasons as Zatanna.
 * 3) Mr. Mxyzptlk- Not only does he have god-like power, he doesn't even come from this dimension!
 * 4) Solomon Grundy- Like Deadman, he surives Doomsday because he is already dead.

Yankovic270 16:10, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

In Marvel continuity theres no way New York wouldn't survive. Its where 99% of the Marvel U is based.

Superman would survive, Kingdom Come showed that he can survive a nuclear blast. Thor is definitely a confirmed survival as the catholic church tried nuking him in the comics and he survived as well.Oerwinde 17:40, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

So is it plausible for there to be a new Justice League, with a blending of Marvel and DC characters as members? It would be cool to see Spiderman and Black Cat fighting alongside the new Batman and the other surviving DC characters. Also wouldn't it be cool to have former villains in the new Justice League as well? In this vein I can see the Red Skull (who is operating in a more heroic capacity after Captain America went rogue.) as a member. Could we have some of Batman's former rogue's gallery switch from being based in New York instead of Gotham? And while I am on the subject, how about we have New York be a dictatorship run by one of the local villains (ex. The Kingpin) until it is overthrown by a combination of the local superheroes and the Elite Guard (who function as the Virginian equivilent to SHIELD in the comics.)

Yankovic270 17:58, August 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * So, I'm assuming the Scarlet Witch would be alive and kicking as well? I kind of blew up Manhattan with the whole Maestro part of the history. I hoped we would concentrate on creating new and original characters, not focusing so heavily on the old cast. At least making new characters become Spider-Man, the Black Cat and the rest. And if you want to overthrow someone, why not Maestro then, with him being hit by a nuke somewhere else?--Vladivostok 18:46, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Timeline
So, I guess it's time we discuss the timeline of events in this universe. Of course, the important political events of the Post-Doomsday world probably happen as planned, but we can always have Galactus attack or something like that. Once again, I say we leave New York nuked, due to any number of reasons: alien invasion, superhero-villain fight, anything that would distract them really. But I was also thinking of having several characters from all parts of the globe recruited into something like the Exiles, except they can correct worlds in both the Marvel and DC Universe, due to the unique nature of this world.--Vladivostok 18:57, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Of course I want to have original heroes and villains. But there is another reason why the universe in which the Virginian comics are based is called the "Amalgam Universe", besides the obvious blending of the two comcis universes. It is a blending of OTL and original characters. Though Venom is a character in our Marvel Comics, he wasn't introduced until after Doomsday, which technically makes him original. I want to have every single one of the pre-Doomsday heroes and villians that could have possibly survived to be part of the roster. There are five characters I definitely want to be in the roster. They are Siberian counterparts to the Joker, Harley Quinn (my personal favorite), Poison Ivy Two-Face and the Riddler. Just curious Vlad, but do you know of any prominent non-fictional Siberian lawyers we can turn into the new Two-Face?

Yankovic270 21:12, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope, prominent Siberian lawyers don't seem to be my strong suit. :) I've been thinking about the whole Batman thing. I mean, I like that he is in Siberia, but wouldn't it be more logical if he was, let's say from the SAC? A whole lot of businessmen there, and there aren't any teams there yet, although I plan on adding the Nova Force. I now the Universe should blend old and new ideas, but I still feel that NY should be destroyed. If the Punisher could get chopped up into little pieces by Daken and then get revived as the fricking Frankencastle ( I'm just a tad bit upset by this decission), then New York can get nuked.--Vladivostok 07:58, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Pictures
I'm going to insert pictures where aplicable for the heroes and villains of the comics. Could any of you make images for the original superheros/villains? I have neither the artistic talent or patience to do it myself.

Yankovic270 22:46, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I was thinking of adding a picture of the whole Killer character. Since I envisioned him as a cross between the Taskmaster, Hawkeye, the Punisher and the Killer in the Wanted comic, I was going to add a picture of the Killer from Wanted.--Vladivostok 07:58, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Batman
Once again I must reiterate, why would Batman be Siberian? It seems illogical for a businessman from Siberia to have the necessary funds for a life that Batman would lead, as there are only small time entrepreneurs in the USSR. I'm sorry I've come out with this now, but it has only recently dawned on me that this seems a bit much.--Vladivostok 02:29, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

I chose to place him in the USSR to give him a connection to one of the "old" Batman's foes: Ra's Al Ghul.It seemed to be a match made in heaven. Plus I thought the transposing of Batman to the other side of the Iron Curtain was delightfully appropriate. I just thought Siberia needed a superhero as well as a team.

Yankovic270 02:52, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

And what happened to "nice touch with Batman"? I thought that the national culture of the Soviet Union matched the Dark Knight's personality. They have such a serious culture. Hell, even their Sesame Street hs plots more suited to a Toltstoy novel than a kids show (I'm dead serious.)

Yankovic270 02:57, August 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I know, I know, I just had one of those "What, wha...!?" moments that I thought I should adress with you. Of course there was a Batman in Russia before, and it worked well. It's just that the SAC is such a barren wasteland when it comes to superheroes, OTL and ATL. Other than Batman and Ra's Al Ghul, I can't really see the other characters from Batman falling into place.(now Owlman was good, I'll give you that).
 * Oh, and Ra's could technically be anywhere, fighting Batman even, say, in Rio de Janeiro, which comes with the territory when you're a part of a terrorist cell. Perhaps the argument is a tad weak, but I just can't think of any South American heroes or villains that people would want to read about.
 * Oh, damn it, nice touch with Batman.=) --Vladivostok 07:47, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

How did you like the idea of Owlman being the new Batman's evil brother? I even included Russian versions of Joe Chill and Arkham Asylum.

Yankovic270 23:47, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

More Post-Doomsday Versions Of Pre-Doomsday Heroes
I don't know whether to classify these heroes original or pre-Doomsday.
 * 1) Flash (Bao Nguyen)- A Vietnamese version of the Scarlet Speedster. Can easily run to Virginia.
 * 2) Robin Hood(Ryan O'Reilly) - English version of Green Arrow.
 * 3) Question (Otto von Vogler)- German version of the Question
 * 4) Spider-man (Garcon Gautreaux)-Cajun version of Spider-Man. NOTE: Has organic webbing for the sake of convienience
 * 5) Iron Man (Gabriel Cavalcanti)- Brazilian version of Iron Man
 * 6) Daredevil (Gunnar Larsen)- Norweigan version of Daredevil.

Yankovic270 00:30, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool, we're going international! I like it. Would the Silver Samurai survive in Japan as well? Because there is a real world problem: The comic in which the character first appeared was released in September, 1983. Would Virginian Comics really bother bringing back such a short-lived character?


 * Oh, and the organic webbing always kind of made more sense to me than the web-shooters. If your Spider-Man, why not go all the way? Anyway, good additions.--Vladivostok 07:11, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Organic Webshooters make no sense because if you look at spider anatomy, the spinnerets would manifest themselves between the anus and the reproductive organs, not in the wrists. The way Ultimate Spider-Man created the web shooters makes much more sense. He developed the delivery system, the web formula was his dad's. Hence removing the whole "How does a 16 year old develop an adhesive the guys at 3M would kill for?" problem.Oerwinde 07:23, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good God, could you just imagine what Spider-Man would have to do if he had real organic webbing placement? Now that is just nasty. I won't argue with you regarding Ultimate Spider-Man, since I love the entire Ultimate Universe and agree with the whole way he got the web shooters. But, on a side note, Ultimate Spider-Woman does shoot webbing from her finger tips, just saying...--Vladivostok 08:31, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ultimate Spider-Woman is a genetically altered clone of Peter Parker, her web shooters were designed to be there. HA, well there we go, plausibility for organic web shooters, this is a new Spider-Man we're talking about so as long as its genetic engineering that gives him his powers organic shooters are a-ok.
 * As for the Ultimate U, I was a huge fan until Jeph Loeb got his talentless hands on it. Also Ultimate X-Men turned to epic suck once it hit the Apocalypse storyline. Millar, Ellis, Bendis, Card, and Carey should be the only ones allowed to write for it now. Though I would make special exceptions for Brubaker or JMS. Oerwinde 08:39, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I would argue that Green Arrow is in fact an a American rip-off of Robin Hood :) Verence71 09:06, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * He's actually a ripoff of Batman, with a Robin Hood theme.Oerwinde 09:16, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I would argue that Green Arrow is in fact an a American rip-off of Robin Hood :) Verence71 09:06, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * He's actually a ripoff of Batman, with a Robin Hood theme.Oerwinde 09:16, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Yup, a test tube version of Spider-Man would be nice. Jeph Loeb... why God, why? Ultimates 3 sucks and don't get me started on the New Ultimates, although Cho does a great job visually. Love the Avengers, although I have my doubts about this new vampire story arc. I actually liked how Cable turned out to be Wolverine from the future in X-Men, it was actually the only part of X-Men which I thought was awesome, because Cable is a badass. And I never really cared for the Fantastic Four, so I like the concept of Reed Richards seemingly killed, while the Thing has new powers. I'd love to see where they take the whole Enemy and Mystery limited series...--Vladivostok 10:39, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

While Ultimates 3 undid most of the good that Millar did with 1&2, and New Ultimates is pretty terrible, Ultimatum was his worst atrocity. Oh, and Hulked Out Heroes. The Wolverine = Cable thing was AWESOME. Especially when they had Wolverine lose an arm later on. Then Jeph Loeb had to go and screw that up by having Magneto kill all his cells with magnetism. WTF. DC, trade you Jeph Loeb for Geoff Johns.Oerwinde 20:10, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I both agree and disagree about the whole Ultimatum view you've got going. Although at first the concept was appealing, having a lot of characters killed off, I somehow felt that most, if not all the deaths happened senselessly. You already mentioned Wolverine, which was atrocious(although I kind of hope that Ultimate Cable will have some sort of miraculous return =D), the whole Wasp getting eaten bit was seriously demeaning. And I don't even like the Wasp! At least in Secret Invasion her death had some meaning.--Vladivostok 20:33, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

I don't care about spider anatomy. It just wouldn't be the same without the web coming out of the wrist. The fact that the web is organic is, as I said, a matter of convienience. It would be much more convienient to have Garcon generate his own web than whip it up from scratch with chemicals that might not exist in practical quantities in the post-Doomsday world. I always thought that the fact that Spider-Man has to use artificial web in shooters in the comics didn't make sense. I mean, he has all the other powers of a spider, why can't he generate his own web? The reason I went for the international feel is that there are too many Americans on the Justice League. Pretty much every single member was either born in the United States or lives in the United States. The sad thing is I have never heard of the Silver Samurai. It is possible that we could have a new, LoN-supervised Justice League?

Yankovic270 22:48, September 10, 2010 (UTC)