Talk:Greater Europe (Map Game)

So yeah. We need to make an algorithm. The person who makes the most realistic algorithm(without stability thingy), will receive a Mod and Map-Maker if they wish. I know it's not much, but that's all I could really offer.

Doctor261 18:36, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

I'm calling implausibility already. A Pact of Steel in 1935 is impossible. The Italians and the Germans did not like each other at that point. It was the Italians that prevented Hitler from achieving Anschluss in 1934. Azecreth 19:18, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. I see. Well. We're voiding Pact of Steel for now then.

Doctor261 19:20, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

dont forget that at this time the US owns the Philippines. octiman10 22:32, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Doctor, I'm retconning everything involving Tunisia. The reason for this is that in the 1930's Tunisia was a French protectorate, and by invading them, you declared war on France. I assume you don't want that, so I'm removing it. As well as the US alliance with Great Britain, since isolationism is still strong in America. I did keep the US alliance with Mexico, since they have strong ties and are next to each other, but the American annexation of all those Mexican states for no reason has been rmeoved. The Mexican government would never have agred to a plebicite, and all those states would not have joined the USA Azecreth 21:39, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

I will propose the algorithm that I formulated for Fractured America(this was my algorithm, based off of Principia Moderni and another proposition that was made in Fractured america, aka algorithm 3)

algorithm proposal
Location

Location goes by nearest military base:
 * at the location of the war or border invasion: 5
 * next to the location of the war: 4
 * close to the location of the war: 3
 * far from location of the war: 2
 * other side of the world: 1

Tactical Advantage

 * attacker's advantage: 1
 * knowledge of landscape: 2
 * this counts if: Defender has had territory for 20+years OR Attacker has owned territory attacked within the past 20 years.

Strength

 * Allies: for each ally ther will be 1 point
 * Participants: material aid = 2 pts and military = 3 pts. If a material aid nation withdraws, the nation loses 1 point if the war isn’t over 3 years after withdrawl. For military aid nations, the aided nation looses 1 point if the aiding nation changes sides (the other nation gains however only 2 points)
 * country has developed military: 1 for each turn dedicated to military or military technology in the last 15 years. This resets after every war
 * expansion: -1 for every turn used for expansion in the past 10 years, as it uses resources and money(unless done by mercenaries, then -0.5 as only $$$ used)
 * Major tech advancement on your side: 5
 * Population: number of digits in population(100 000 000 = 9, 100 000=6), 2 pt bonus may be granted for larger population if both nations have equal digits in populaiton(ex. 15 000 000 and 50 000 000, 50 000 000 gets +2)
 * Larger industrial base: +2

Motive

 * motive is life or death (country's sovereign existence is threatened or nuclear threat): 10
 * motive is religious: 7
 * motive is social or moral: 6
 * motive is political: 5
 * motive is economic: 3

Governement Popularity

 * Loved: 2
 * Liked: 1
 * Tolerated: 0
 * Not Liked; -1
 * Hated: -2
 * Controled press: 1
 * negative moderator event in past 10 years:-1

Ajudiciations

 * Terrain at the front is urban: -1 Attacker / +1 Defender
 * Amphibious invasion: -2 Defender /+2 Attacker
 * Defending nation is island: +2 Defender /+2 Attacker
 * Ajudiciations must remain in the -1 /+1 format
 * Additional adjudications may be added by neutral mods (ex. China invades Siberia-its friggin cold, -2A /+2D, Saudi Arabia invades Yemen, they’re both desert nations, no adjudication)

Other

 * Country has no international trade: -2
 * Populaiton center occupied: -2
 * Industrial centers occupied: -1
 * Opponent is hated by nation: +1
 * Usage of Chemical weapons/WMDs: +3(only available after 1890)(opponent gets +1 in motive for each use)
 * Nuclear Arsenal; +10(only available after 1950)(opponent gets automatic 10 in motive)

Chance
0 to 9 points will be awarded to each person based on chance. Factors will be the opponent's edit count (as indicated by the edit count on the profile of user x) and witch will then be divided by the precise time when the country declares war or acknowledges the other's declaration of war(only hr. and min.) or The product of the non-zero digits of the time by UTC (0:00 yields 1). The result is multiplied by pi and the hundredths digit is the amount of points that person gets (e.g. 123.8377 yields 3). We will use Random.org for NPCs

LxCaucassus
So. He did the algorithm. I'm calling the vote in, to keep it fair, just like in Fractured America:

Should LxCaucassus become a moderator? Yes No

The Voting has passed. LxCaucassus is now a moderator of Greater Europe. Doctor261

Unifying with other countries
I am thinking of trying to play as Mexico in this game, and I'm wondering if we could use diplomacy to "unite" with other countries and annex them. Is this plausible, or not?

RandomWriterGuy 18:41, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Yep. You can do it, as long as you have very similar parties or other similarities(religional for example). Doctor261 19:32, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Please tell me what are these "Spanish-speaking" countries, or just update it yourself on the map. Doctor261 06:43, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

And I don't think, that uniting nations like that is that plausible... Doctor261 09:44, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Yees. Next time, use an RNG to determine who agrees, and post it here so we can see the results. It's generally 1-50 = No, 51-100 = Yes. Azecreth 20:16, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

The Spanish-speaking countries are: If I can't unite all of these nations at once, can I do them one at a time?
 * 1) Mexico
 * 2) Guatemala: 37
 * 3) Honduras: 95
 * 4) El Salvador: 44
 * 5) Nicagura: 69
 * 6) Costa Rica: 23
 * 7) Panama: 1
 * 8) Cuba: 41
 * 9) Dominican Republic: 74
 * 10) Venezula: 48
 * 11) Colombia: 8
 * 12) Ecuador: 45
 * 13) Peru: 57
 * 14) Bolivia: 43
 * 15) Paraguay: 99
 * 16) Chile: 91
 * 17) Argentina: 74
 * 18) Uruguay: 15

I did my RNG for each country as well.

RandomWriterGuy 01:49, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

The nations with the RNG between 50-100 are now part of the country of Gran Americana. Is it legal for me to do what I did before now for the other countries? (If not, I will take away the move that tells about that part).

RandomWriterGuy 19:37, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

This sounds very stupidly. Brazil was never imperialist. They didn't want to gain more territory. They had good enough relations with neighbour countries. We need neutral mod to decide on this. Doctor261 19:47, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Then why did Brazil attacked Bolivia then? RandomWriterGuy 19:53, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

The whole idea of this Gran America thing is all quite absurd if you ask me. But I do find it funny how your nitpicking about Brazil expanding. But hey ho, it is alternative history so I guess I can't complain too much VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 21:40, November 20, 2011 (UTC).

I doing the Second Treaty of Mexico. Here are the nations and their RNGs: It will also be shown in the map game.
 * 1) Guatemala: 64
 * 2) El Salvador: 63
 * 3) Costa Rica: 23
 * 4) Panama: 54
 * 5) Cuba: 22
 * 6) Venezula: 25
 * 7) Colombia: 96
 * 8) Ecuador: 20
 * 9) Bolivia: 99
 * 10) Uruguay: 48

RandomWriterGuy 00:43, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Fascist Italy
Location: 5 (border invasion)

Attacker's Advantage: 1

Strength:
Allies(Third Reich assists me here):1

Country has developed military: 1

Expansion: -1

Major tech advancement(Paratrooper military school): 5

Population Bonus: 8+2

Larger industrial base: 2

Total Strength: 19

Other Factors

Motive (political): 5

Government: (Tolerated):0 + Controlled Press: +1 = 1

Amphibious invasion(paratroopers, elite soldiers): 2

Opponent is hated by nation: +1

Total: 32

Chance: (639/18)pi=35.5*3.14=111.47

20:09, so 2x1x1x9=18

Total with Chance: 38

Ethiopia
Location: 5 (at the location of war)

Knowledge of landscape: 2

Strength:
Allies:0

Country doesn't have developed military: 0 (mostly using spears and bows)

Expansion: 0

Major tech advancement(none): 0

Population Bonus: 8

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Larger industrial base: 2

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Total Strength: 10

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Other Factors

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Motive (motive is life or death): 10

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Government: (Loved): 2

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Amphibious invasion(paratroopers, elite soldiers): -2

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Country has no international trade: -2

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Opponent is hated by nation: +1

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Total: 26

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Chance: 7(random.org)

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Total with Chance: 33

Result:
<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> The war is still going. Need to await for Third Reich's approval that it assists us.

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">The war has finished with a crushing italian victory.

Discussion

 * The Reich shall support you! I thought I'd made it clear we would, just not when Italy will help Germany; <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 21:03, November 13, 2011 (UTC).

Soviet Union
<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Location: 5 (border invasion)

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Attacker's Advantage: 1

Strength:
<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Allies(none):0

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Country has developed military: 1

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Expansion: -1

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Major tech advancement(none):0

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Population Bonus: 9

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Larger industrial base: 2

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Total Strength: 11

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Other Factors

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Motive (political): 5

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Government: ?????????

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Invasion type: ??????

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Opponent is hated by nation: 1

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Disadvantage from no high command: -10

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Total: 13+???

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Chance: ?????

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Total with Chance: ???+13+?????

Finland
<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Location: 5 (at the location of war)

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Knowledge of landscape: 2

Strength:
<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Allies:0

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Country has developed military: 1

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Expansion: 0

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Major tech advancement(none): 0

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Population Bonus: 7

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Total Strength: 8

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Other Factors

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Motive (motive is life or death): 10

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Government: (Loved): 2

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Invasion Type: ?????????

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Opponent is hated by nation: 1

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Total: 13+?????????

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Chance: (random.org) 5

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Total with Chance: 18+?????????

Result:
Finland proposes Moscow Peace Treaty.

Discussion

<ul><li>Stalin had initiated and completed his great purge at this point, this OTL hamstrung his army and lost him the war because basically he killed the entire Russian High Command. So, really, Russia should have a massive (I'm talking like -10 points here) disadvantage added.</li></ul> That is true, if you are a mod and you agree then you can add the ajudiciation.

Other stuff
I'm going to join in as Yugoslavia. Michael Douglas 23:36, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Also, can I move Yugoslavia to Major Powers in 1 or 2 years? It has at this point an increasing military power, approaching Two Thirds of the approximate strength of the Italian army, although it still lacks an Navy. Michael Douglas 21:18, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

In 1-2 years? Well if you keep raising your military every turn, it could become a major power. Doctor261 05:11, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll wait a few years before moving it, just to allow for the necessary change in reputation and economic boom.

Michael Douglas 12:46, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Yugoslavia:

 * Location: +5
 * Attacker's Advatage: +1
 * Motive is Moral: +6 (Yugoslav soldiers, held, revenge for bombings)
 * Controlled Press +1
 * Opponent is Hated by nation +1
 * Military Development: +3
 * Larger Industrial Base +2
 * Population: (13,934,038; 1931 Census) +8
 * Terrain at front is Urban -1
 * Chance: 8
 * Total: 26+8=34

Hungary:

 * Location +5
 * Motive is Survival +10
 * Government Liked +1
 * Poluation (8 685 109; 1931 Census, assuming Slavs in Hungary are loyal to government) +7
 * Opponent is Hated by Nation +1
 * Terrain at Front is Urban +1
 * No International Trade -2
 * Chance- 3
 * Total: 23+3=26

Result:
See the post in the game page.

Er... there was no post on the game page. Michael Douglas 21:38, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Brazil
<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 30pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 17.25pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> § <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Location: 4

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<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 30pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 17.25pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> § <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Allies: 1

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<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 30pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 17.25pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> § <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Military Dev: 1

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 30pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 17.25pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> § <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Expansion: 0

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 30pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 17.25pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> § <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Wars: 0

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 30pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 17.25pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> § <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Mod Events: 0

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 30pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 17.25pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> § <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Population: 8 (42 637 000) + 0

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 30pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 17.25pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> § <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Larger Industry: 2

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 30pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 17.25pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> § <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Political Motive: 5

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 30pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 17.25pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> § <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Governement: 2(loved)

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 30pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 17.25pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> § <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Chance: 8
 * <span style="font-size:10.0pt;      font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">3*5*7=105
 * <span style="font-size:10.0pt;      font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Edits: 1567 <span style="font-size:10.0pt;       font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">(1567/105)* pi= 46.8 8 45

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 30pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 17.25pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> § <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Bolivian Rainforest: -1

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 30pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 17.25pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> § <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Total: 34

Bolivia
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<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 30pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 17.25pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> § <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Owned area for 20+years: 2

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<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 30pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 17.25pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> § <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Bolivia: 3

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 30pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 17.25pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> § <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Military dev: 0

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 30pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 17.25pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> § <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Expansion: 0

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 30pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 17.25pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> § <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Mod Events: 0

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 30pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 17.25pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> § <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Population: 7 (2 596 000)

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 30pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 17.25pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> § <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">No international Trade: -2

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 30pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 17.25pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> § <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Life or death: 10

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 30pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 17.25pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> § <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Governement: tolerated: 0

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 30pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 17.25pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> § <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Marshes and rainforest: +1

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 30pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 17.25pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> § <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Chance(TBD by neutral Mod): x 6

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 30pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 17.25pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> § <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Total: 30+ x 6=36

<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Result <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Depends on Bolivia chance, if 9 then draw iof less brazil wins.

<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Brazilian victory over Bolivia.

<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Narrow Bolivian victory.

<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Disccussion ===<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">

<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Mexico and the US have already joined Bolivia's side. This alogythm must be changed. ===

Italian Empire
Location(border invasion): 5

Attacker's Advantage: 1

Strength
Allies: 0 (since Third Reich and France are too late and the battles are already heatened up)

Aid(Military aid from Great Britain, Third Reich and France): 3+3+3

Developed Military: 1 (you would never guess how I love you)

Expansion: -1

Major Tech advancement on Italian side: 5

Population bonus: 8

Larger Industrial Base: 2

Total Strength: 0+3+15+6=0+18+6=24

Other Factors
Motive(received an ultimatum): 10

Government(tolerated): 0

Amphibious invasion(land, sea & air): -2 Defender /+2 Attacker

Hated by other nation: 1

Urban attack: -1

Chance: (773/80)*3.14=30.34

4:45 = 1*4*4*5=80

Total with chance: 46

Yugoslavia
Location: 5

Knowledge of landscape: 2

Strength
Allies: +1

Aid: 0

Expansion: -1(Western Hungary)

Population bonus: 8

Total Strength: 8+1+0-1

Other Factors
Motive is moral: +6

Participation (Albanian Rebel Assistance): +3

Government(liked): 1

Urban defence: 1

Controlled Press: +1

Population Bonus: 8

Amphibious invasion: -2

Hated by opponent: 1

Military Development +1

Chance: (1,348/80)*3.14=52.909

Total with chance: 8+ 22-2=28

Result
Italian crushing victory over Yugoslavia.

Discussion
Feel free to update yours, Yugoslavia.

Ok, thanks. I think you're motive is actually political though, because you're fighting to defend a colony you took recently. Also, expansion is within the last 10 turns I think, so that bonus migt need to be adjusted. Michael Douglas 11:43, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

It was you who threatened me. I'm not really into defending Albania so yeah... The motive is Life of Death. Expansion? Yes. I've added -1 here already. Doctor261 11:59, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I accidentally added 1 point to my motive that I shouldn't have, moral is supposed to be 6...

But still, the motive of the Average Italian is what we're questioning. When I send an ultimatium telling you to pull out of Albania or I'll kick you out, why do they see that as a direct threat towards Italy? Italy's sovereignity is in no way threatened, just her one choice of colony. Michael Douglas 12:04, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

You see... This is not like you think in real life... Imagine a person coming to you, and saying "Money or life". This is certainly life or death motive. And the colony, or whatever you call it, is annexed by me and giving it away after I lost so many men(well not many were lost in Invasion of Albania, but still)... Think about it. This is not politics. This is war. The war where motive is life or death. LIFE, or DEATH, of my people. Doctor261 12:07, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, ok, whatever. Come at me bro!!!!!1!!!one!! 24.36.110.61 12:25, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

The Third Reich

 * Location(border invasion): 5
 * Attacker's Advantage: 1

Strength

 * Allies: (Poland) 1
 * Aid(Mitary aid from Great Italy): 3
 * Developed Military: 1
 * Expansion: -1
 * Major Tech advancement on German side: 5
 * Population bonus: (76,000,000 according to 1939 census, with adjustments for OTL & this TL's differences): 8
 * Larger Industrial Base: 2
 * Total Strength: 1+3+1-1+5+8+2=19

Other Factors

 * Motive(political): 5
 * Government(tolerated): 0
 * Controlled press: 1
 * Negative moderator event in past 10 years: -1
 * Terrain at the front is urban: -1 Attacker
 * Chance: 0 ((2,008/288)*pi= 21.903882)
 * 19:48 = 1*9*4*8=288
 * Final Total with all factors: 1+3+1-1+5+8+2+5+0+1-1-1+1+0=24

Czechoslovakia

 * Location: 5
 * Knowledge of landscape: 2

Strength

 * Allies: None 0
 * Aid: 2 (From Britain)
 * Population bonus: 8 (13,607,385 in 1921)
 * Total Strength: 5+0+2+8=15

Other Factors

 * Motive (life or death): 10
 * Government(liked): 1
 * Urban defence: 1
 * Hated by other nation: 1
 * Chance: 4 (Random.org)
 * Final total with all factors: 5+2+0+2+8+10+1+1+1+4=34

Result
The Reich's forces are defeated by the Czechoslovakian

Discussion
I'm not happy with this nor is the Reich! Damn you pesky Czechs! >:( <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 17:47, November 17, 2011 (UTC).

Spanish-Mexican War (CANCELLED)
Spain

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<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Allies: 0

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Spain:3

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Military Dev: 0

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Expansion: 0

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Wars: 0

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Mod Events: 0

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Population: 8 (23 000 000) + 0

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Larger Industry: 2

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; ">§ Life or death: 10

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Governement: 0(tolerated)

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; ">§ Chance: 2

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Mexico fighting 2 wars: +2

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Total: 34

Mexico
<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Location: 1

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Attacker’s Advantage: --(overseas, you cant get an advantage for attacking if you need to cross ocean)

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Allies: 1(USA)

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Mexico: 3

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Military Dev: 1(0)

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Expansion: 0

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Wars: 0

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Mod Events: 0

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Population: 8 (25-40 000 000) + 2(larger than 20 000 000)

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; ">§ Social/Moral motive: 6

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Governement: 2(loved)

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Chance: 8

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ Fighting 2 wars: -2

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> Total: 30

Result
Decisive Mexican victory. Southern Spain is under Mexican control.

Spanish Victory, Spanish forces knock all mexicans out of Spain. In Mexico, much anti-war protests take place.

Discussion
<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"> Incorrect algorithm. Correct it. Check the strength. And check the algorithm page for Greater Europe. If you don't know how to make algorithm, then ask others.

Already done.

No it's not. Do you realise there is different algorithm than everywhere? The population bonus is counted by the number of digits. 1'000'000 refers to 7. 10'000'000 refers to 8.

I fixed the Algorithm, since it reflects the begining of the war I did not include mod events. Ok, I'lllet chance go for now, and Its my fault that I wasnt that active and couldnt check the chance. Next time somebody does chance I would like to see the calculations, I'll let it go for now but I will consider this in the future. MExico looses the war.

The Third Reich

 * Location: 5
 * Attackers advantage: 1
 * Allies: 5 (Italy, Poland, Hungary, Latvia, & Finland)
 * Participants: 3
 * Expansion: -1
 * Developed military: 1
 * Major tech advancement on your side: 5
 * Population: 8 (75,868,000)
 * Moral Motive: 6
 * Government is liked: 1
 * Controlled Press: 1
 * Larger Industrial Base: 2
 * Negative moderator event in past 10 years: -1
 * Opponent is hated by nation: +1
 * Terrain at the front is urban: -1 Attacker
 * Chance: 5 (2,033/320(19:01: 1*8*5*8=320)*pi= 19.9589308
 * Final Total with all factors: 5+1+5+3-1+1+5+8+6+1+1+2-1+1-1+5=41

Czechoslovakia

 * Location: 5
 * Knowledge of Landscape: 2
 * Defenders advantage: 1
 * Allies: 1 (Iceland)
 * Participants: 0
 * Developed military: 1
 * Major tech advancement on your side: 5
 * Population bonus: 8 (13,596,700)
 * Life or Death Motive: 10
 * Government is liked: 1
 * Terrain at the front is urban: +1 Defender
 * Hated by other nation: 1
 * Chance: 2 (random.org)
 * Final Total with all factors: 5+2+1+1+0+1+5+8+10+1+1+1+2=38

Result
The Third Reich wins & takes over Czechoslovakia

Conventions of use of the Algorithm
Ok, thus far some algorithms have been messy and hard to understand. I propose that we institute conventions off use.-Lx (leave me a message) 22:12, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

What's wrong with them? Its simple enough... <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 16:08, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

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I'am going join if it's alright.
I'm going to join as Romania if it's alright.

Conwarlord96

Go ahead. And make sure you use four tildes(~) if you sign your name. Doctor261 06:02, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Cancelling the Spanish War
I have officially canceled all moves related to the Sanish-Mexican War. It has caused us nothing but trouble for this map game.

RandomWriterGuy 05:18, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Can you please add Valencia to the map? The border of Valencia is in the Valencian Community Like here: ? Green = Valencia. The colour of the contury is Lavender. ~Sereniama~ | Page ▪ Talk ▪ Wiki Contributions | 05:49, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Spanish Republic
Location: 5

Tactical Advantage: 3

Allies: 0

Participants: +3 (Soviet soldiers present fighting for Spanish Republic

Dveloped Military: 0

Exansion: 0

Major tech advancement: 0

Population: 8

Larger Industrial Base: 2

Motive: 7

Government Popularity: 0

Chance: 9 (random.org)

Nation has just been through civil war -1

Anger at Valencia for breaking away after the civil war against the Nationalists has ended: +1

Total: 5+3+3+0+0+0+0+8+2+7+0+9-1+1= 37

Valencia
Location: 5

Tactical Advantage: 2

Allies: 1

(2nd phase) Military aid from Italian Empire: 3

Developed military: 0

Expansion: 0

Major tech advancement: 5 (paratroopers)

Population: 6

Motive: 10

Government Popularity: 1

Chance: 7 (random.org)

Nation has just broken off from mother country: -2

Total: 5+2+1+0+0+5+6+10+1+7-2+3=38

Result
1st phase: Spanish victory. Northern Valencia falls to the Spanish.

2nd phase:

Valencia
There should be no reason for Valencia to be independent. No reason at all. Spain just went through a civiol war, and nobody wanted to go through that again. And the Taoist thing is just stupid. They would either be Christian or Muslim. Now, I propose that the Valencia independence be retocnned, and Sereniama can play as an already established nation. Because Valencia isn't going to up and rebel for no reason after the civil war is over, and if they did then the spanish military would crush them. ~Az {C} Should the Valencia rebellion be retconned? 1. Yes 2. No

Dude, it's just a map game. It's not real history, I don't see why you are complaining. -.- idiot. Deal with it. AND if there WAS a problem with my country, I'd probably be informed in my talk page now would I?

BY THE WAY, it also says that we can be ANY COUNTRY, which can include PRONVINCES. Pan-America doesn't exist, so why are you complaining? -.- think before you ACT. Everyone else seems fine with it.

AND I DON'T HAVE to have my country to be effing Muslim or Christa- wait, you mean Catholic? Wow, you idiot... I don't have to have my country to be like that. Besides, Taoism is NOT Stupid, it's a peaceful religion you idiot.

~Sereniama~ | Page ▪ Talk ▪ Wiki Contributions | 23:58, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

It does seem quite odd though? A Taoist nation in Spain? Plus that reply is a bit over the top, calm down dear, like you said: its only a map game, <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:26, November 22, 2011 (UTC).

Sorry, I just had to deal with people like this one before, Von. I got a bit too angry... But why not? I mean, it adds a twist to Europe a bit. It's unique after all, I mean, how many other countries you see use an Asian religion as their main religion? I mean, if you think about it, Islam is an Asian religion, so why not go a bit far east? Perhaps the Japanese influenced them? I mean, they still have Muslims and Catholics in Valencia. ~Sereniama~ | Page ▪ Talk ▪ Wiki Contributions | 00:31, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

To say it is not very plausible would probably be an understatement. I have put the poll you removed back in. It was put in by one of the moderators of this game. As such, you need to recognize it.

Don't do that again. And watch your tongue.

Lordganon 01:27, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Watch my tounge? And who is the moderator who place it there anyways? I didn't removed the poll, I must of did it on accident. And did it said anywhere in the rules that I cannot make a new nation? -_-.

If you all want me to be another playable country, why don't you just ask me? It's really simple. I just simply signed up to have fun.

~Sereniama~ | Page ▪ Talk ▪ Wiki Contributions | 06:37, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Nobody tells you you can't play as that country. But you were overthrown by a greater military of Spain... Doctor261 06:59, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, watch your tongue. Call someone an idiot again like that, and you will get a vacation.

Lordganon 08:27, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Turkish-Greek/Bugarian War Algorithm
Could someone make an algorithm please? DeanSims 23:48, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

There is an algorithm already, its on this talk page & the final version here. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:24, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Could you adjust it so it represents the Ottoman-Greek/Bulgarian War, I have no idea how to work on algorithms even with a base format.DeanSims 00:40, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

I didn't know myself at first but I used the base format & now I've got the hang of it. Just copy & paste the base format & amend it where necessary. Mods check it once you've done it to make sure there aren't any mistakes. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 09:42, November 22, 2011 (UTC).

Too fast
Guys, this game has got too fast for me to keep up. China is open for a new player. :( Imperium Guy 10:32, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

I might fill that position for China. By the way, since I was playing as Mexico, I'll give control of it to USA, including the territories it has claimed, and remember, in 3 years, Guatemala, El Salvador, Panama, Colombia, and Bolivia will be part of the country.&nbsp --RandomWriterGuy 14:41, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

I changed my mind. I rather stick to Gran Americana. RandomWriterGuy 19:56, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

I will Think about it If I do I will give Romania Neutral Conwarlord96

1941 Spring Romanian-Yugoslavian War
So I'm going to invade Yugoslavia. If that's alright Conwarlord96

What is this? What country is that? And there must be two algorithms for one country: offender and defender. Doctor261 17:11, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Location 5:Border Invasion

Attackers Advantage:1

Stength

Allies(Pact of Steel)

Country has devolped Millitary:1

Expansion:-1

Major Tech Advancment:3

Large Industrial Bse:2

Total Strenght:10

Other

Motive:5 Political

Media:Controlled press due to Facist Goverment 1

Opponent Hated by Nation:+1

Total=17

Chance???

Switching Countries
I am thinking to fill China since the player is not there anymore. That means though I will not play as Mexico anymore. Is that a deal? (Which year do I start anyway?) RandomWriterGuy 21:01, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Go ahead. Doctor261 10:45, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

2nd Ottoman Empire
Location: +5

Attackers Advantage:+1(knows terrain is only granted if the nation attacking lost terrotory fighting in in the last 20 years if that wasnt clear enough)

Romania/USSR: +6

Political motive(to capture and take political control over area x): 5

Population 25,000,000(rough combination of Greece, Turkey, and Bulgaria): +8 +2(25 000 000>12 000 000)

Larger industrial base: +2

Controlled Press: +1

Military Development: +2

Government Popularity: 0(greece, bulgaria, rumania no like turkey, especialy after just getting free, but somewhat tolarate it)

Ajudiciations: almost complete undeveloped military in Persia: +2

Chance:0


 * Counting chance: We say time is 19:26. So 1*9*2*6=108 So... (1493/108)pi=43.4075<...>

Total:34

Afghanistan/Persia
Location: +5

Secret aid from Italy/ afganistan or persia: +6

Knows Terrain: +2

Population 12,497,000: +8

Government Liked: +1

Military Undeveloped: 0

Motive: + 10

No Industrial Base: +0

Ajudiciations: almost complete undeveloped military in Persia: -2

Chance: 3 -Lx (leave me a message)

Total: 33

Results
Minor Ottoman victory, Turks make minor inroads into Persia (leave me a message)

Discussion
And why is their government hated, if they loved their government? Doing it all for your advantage, eh? Not good. Not good. Their military IS developed. They have international trades with many NPC countries. Also they have good enough industrial base. But not larger that Ottoman Empire's. So change it all and we're cool. Doctor261 19:19, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

I'm working on it. Doctor261 19:22, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

i didnt cross off your comment, just so you know DeanSims 19:55, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

I fixed and approve of this algorithm as God of War.-Lx (leave me a message) 20:11, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

thanks Lx, and the USSR is now helping me conquer Persia and Afganistan; and Greece, Rumania, Bulgaria, Turkey, and eventualy Persia which will become East and West Persia, and Afganistan, are, or will be, equal member republics of the UOSR.

China

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage: 0
 * Strenghth: (someone do this for me)
 * Motive: 6
 * Governmental Popularity: 2


 * Adjudications: -1


 * Other: 1


 * Chance:

Korea

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * Strenghth: (some one do this for me)
 * Motive: 10
 * Governmental Popularity: 0


 * Adjudications: 1


 * Other: -2


 * Chance:

Discussion
Can someone do strength for me? I don't know how to do it. RandomWriterGuy 21:20, November 25, 2011 (UTC)