User talk:VonGlusenburg

Hi, welcome to Alternative History! Thanks for your edit to the Image:World War I 1914 08 04.png page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Louisiannan (Talk) 23:29, 27 March 2009

Your TL
Sorry, you are correct I should have talked to you first. Also please sign your name when leaving messages on people's talk pages. Mitro 21:19, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Good Name
Yes I do like that name a lot more...

Eastward Expansion 21:56, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

No Destiny
just to say No Destiny is Open to adoption--Fero 00:01, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

Reply
Ok, first off, User talk:Mitro/Archive 2 is an archive for old discussions to make User talk:Mitro less cluttered. Archiving pages is a common wiki concept.

Second, regardless of what your edits were for, leaving that banner is just something we do for any first time 1983DD editor. It is not a big deal. Mitro 19:21, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Editing
Hello. I was fixing the double redirects (dbl rd). They are no longer listed now that I fixed them up. Double redirects, essentially, are bad, since it redirects to another redirect (sometime more than 2 redirects). Hope that sheds some light! --Trip 21:13, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

US Civil War Map Game
Of course you can join the US Civil War Map Game as long as you picka nation not already taken. Rebelsoldier 17:54, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

You forgot to make Kentcky a Confederate State, so could you please fix the map, otherwise, you did a good job. Rebelsoldier 15:08, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

can you add my claims to Africa in a real quicck updatt please, i mean put it up, i copy it, you take it down?Rebelsoldier 21:43, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Is it me, or could the new Civil War player be a sockpuppet of rebelsoldier? Batmanary

No give the spot to someone else Bobalugee1940 20:30, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

No I'm sorry I've just simply lost intrest and if I'd kept playing nothing in Japan would happen because I'm currently managing 3 TL's one on Future Wiki and I'm a bit o'er whelmed as it is. Perhaps you should offer the position to LordGanon or Mitro. Bobalugee1940 14:47, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

In response to your plan, I am not sure if it will work or not anymore. Russia just joined the Far East Pact....Rcox1995 21:32, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I"ve sort of quit from that game. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 16:36, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry Von, I got caught up in some things, and forgot to respond.Yes, I am still playing, just keeping low and buying my time.I have sent some diplomacy messages on the page, and have talked on the talk page.Just waiting for the right moment.

God Bless the United States of America 17:49, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

I accept your request. Thanks. A few questions:


 * 1) How often do you want me to update the maps?
 * 2) What do do about implausibility. Honestly, I think Bats is trying to prove a point or something because of this insane expansion. In AvA I played Siam and I tried to take Malaysia, Tanintharyi (small strip of land in Myanmar), and then the Maldives, and then he lashed out at me, argued for weeks, and eventually started pretending they never happened, at which point I gave up. Not to hold a grudge from an earlier game, but this is ridiculous. Also, Russia is sort of out of control. Do I have permission to deal with these accordingly?
 * 3) Do you have any specification on the GF? Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 23:09, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

'I didn't lash out on you on the expansion, I lashed out on you trying to constantly expand into my'' land in those games, Kenny. Batmanary'''

"No Nukes" Map Game
Dear VonGlusenburg:

Please do not further edit the announcement section, since I have not made you moderator, and nor will I soon.

Do not create the maps for different years, for you are not a moderator.

Also, discuss the merits of another player's on the "Talk" page.

Thank you.

Enter Name 16:05, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Im going to join the No Nukes Map Game, is there any large nations I can control? Ceaser1345 17:06, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

Browbeat
Is this how I leave a message. Yeah, I've been scanning your stuff, it's pretty cool. I wish I had better suggestions, but I'm still green. I might be lurking a bit for a little while until I start feeling more confident. I have just barely read a bit into your Russo-Japan WWI althistory I hope something comes to mind that might help you out, if you need any help with it. User:Browbeat 02:58, September 7, 2011

Imperial Europe 2 (Map Game)
Japan accepts the alliance. -Kogasa 00:21, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

General talk on Imperial Europe 2
I fixed imperial europe and I gave Persia Arabai so I can attack Poland. Please accept it.

DeanSims 16:24, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

I fixed my olast post before my most recent one, can you add the blue and yellow countries to the UESR please? And by my division of the uncivilized world I mean Sweden as part of it.

DeanSims 17:05, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I will invade them both this turn, its not that hard, there both so small.

PS, can you take over the USA in fracture america while Im gone and the UESR as well please?

DeanSims 17:16, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

new turn on imperial europe!

DeanSims 17:46, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

About message on Imperial Europe
No, the edits he made will be reverted as well. He's not going to get away with it this time; as this has happened in the past even before you joined the map game. So don't need to worry. -Kogasa 16:22, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

The turns on Imperial Europe
Sorry, I usually go to next year after at least one person has posted (other than I) or if no one else posted but me, then the next day I create new year. Though sometimes I wait a while in case if more then one has posted but other than that I just continue on. So that's why there years go by quickly sometimes.. -Kogasa 18:54, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

DeanSims Caretaking
Can you take over the USA in fracture america while Im gone and the UESR as well please, if you can, Imperium Guy and you will be able to take control of my countries in both games.DeanSims 17:59, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

I am now at war with the UK, so please continue the invasion of Canada in my absence, and dont surrender any territory please.

DeanSims 18:29, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

I completely agree with you there. Dean can get a bit implausible at times. I think as America, we should take more land in Africa and then trade them for parts of Canada. Does that sound alright? :D Imperium Guy 19:31, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

It does, Count. Would I also be able to add to the post?? :D Imperium Guy 20:33, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

Ok. :D Imperium Guy 13:14, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

The Game
Thanks for the offer, but no thanks. I'm fine for now. -Kogasa 21:41, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

I would like to invite you to the two of my map games: Peaceful Democracy and Greater Europe. I would be very thankful to get these games active :) Atleast the second one. Doctor261 17:32, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks dude! It's really nice to see your map games getting active ;) Doctor261 17:40, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Just an FYI, but nuking Washington and New York will only make America pissed off at you. It won't make them give up. And if the British player does something stupid as Mosley, then I will reverse it. All my stuff was to try and instigate world war 2. Azecreth 16:42, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Think Before You Enact
Thank you so much for your questions. Here are my responses: Thank you for your time.
 * 1) I will have to agree with you. Without any American expedition to Japan, Japan may not be willing to modernize. It might go into a similar path like OTL China during its decline, but the European colonies and who owns them I'll think about that.
 * 2) The reason I brought that up due to the products from China Europeans are attracted to. Without the boycotts in America, the British East India Comapny's trading ambitions would be more larger and would want to trade with the Chinese.
 * 3) I know how important the American colonies were at that time but maybe I'll agree with it.
 * 4) Even if their ambitions are larger, they would still be limited though.
 * 5) I'll try to find and eliminate any of these errors.
 * 6) I think it'll mostly be the same.
 * 7) I will think about this.

RandomWriterGuy 07:27, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Re.: Fractured America
Hmm... I would think Germany would do well. I don't think France is active, and Alsace-Lorraine isn't part of the Empire right now. The colonies would be nice, but Bismarck would be more focused on gaining European territory than overseas colonies, just so you know. Lieut. Tbguy1992: Profile; Talk 02:20, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Dear Glusenburg,

I invite you to the map game of Kingom of Dwan. If you agree to join it, then make sure to read the rules. They are very different from other map games.

Yours sincerely,

Doctor261 19:19, November 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes I am. I will attack the next chance I get (today). Lieut. Tbguy1992: Profile; Talk 19:58, November 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Would you change the map to show me have the whole of Burma as I have completely colonized it. :D [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imperium Guy 19:55, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Spy! I've been fighting 50 years for USA! Doctor261 16:03, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

And I'm puzzled! I'm just joking ;D Doctor261 16:12, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

D: D: /me is bored. /me goes offline to have some fun. But he is ill. So yeah. See you in 1 hour! Doctor261 16:22, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Back to Peaceful Democracy
''Hey. We're now reviving the Peaceful Democracy again. And I want you to be more active... Again. :)'' Doctor261 07:13, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

can we negotiate the USA's freedom please, otherwise a war could continue for years since the USA has all of the UK's technology and plenty of factories to produce weapons.

DeanSims 19:59, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

sorry bout that, ill stay out of no nukes then.:)

if i join can i be the USA with the borders I drew up, or better yet, all of Britsh North America?

DeanSims 16:57, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

oh DeanSims 17:08, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Are your teachers or professors on strike as well tommorow? :/ Imperium Guy 23:34, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

We get a day off. :D Imperium Guy 23:38, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, the galopogos islands are your if you help me conquer Ecuador. I attack this turn. Imperium Guy is in control of my countries when I am gone.

DeanSims 18:24, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

Deal.

DeanSims 18:40, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

I will be gone for a week, possibly longer, I would like you to take over for me in my map games as my countries. I also asked Imperium Guy, so you both might temporarily replace me while I am gone. Here is the list of my map game and nations and what my strategies/instructions are for them:

My Map Games and their country:


 * States of America 3 (Map Game): Texan Confederation. Help your allies (the Republic of Virginia, and the Great Lakes Republic), with their conquests and keep improving the armed forces as best you can. Keep Expanding when the time is right and try to conquer Central America.


 * Axis vs Allies Revised (Map Game): USE (United States of Earth) Will be peaceful after conquest of Africa is finished but will heavily work on the Armed Forces. If any states try to break away, retake them as fast as possible but try to remember that they are given statehood back as soon as they are retaken. Stay with Balticka and the USA, be strong against the Coalition of Asia


 * Radioactive Tide (Map Game): Chesapeake Union; Stay at peace with other user-controlled nations but expand the Armed Forces, Navy, and the CU itself as much as possible. Thanks, i would realy apreciate it. I am only editing today then Im gone again.

DeanSims 18:40, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

Ok thanks anyway. i just had exams, there no fun. DeanSims 18:52, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

Barnstars
I've uploaded three ideas to Forum:Proposing: A barnstar system. Check it out. Benkarnell 10:24, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

I stole your custom signature idea, so mine looks almost just like yours. Just green, not black. :D Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 14:09, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

Hey. Could you take over my Soviet West timeline. I've ran out of ideas, and Cold War is very hard subject to write about. Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 12:54, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Sure! Invite anyone you want to it. Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 17:39, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Why?
Why did you delete the info on GE posted by me and other people?? Imperium Guy 17:14, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, okay. We're watching you (Zhukov hints)!! :D Imperium Guy 18:02, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

I came to defend the motherland!! Here's a map for something you previously created. :D Imperium Guy 19:34, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

I was roleplaying. Yes, I do live in the UK. So do you like the map? :D Imperium Guy 19:42, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

It an interesting proposition, I might actullly. :D Imperium Guy 19:54, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

I have read that timeline and have a great interest in it, didn't know it was yours!! Funny, only after 4,500 am I really getting involved into timelines!! :D Imperium Guy 20:47, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Some map places would be good. Where would the maps be?? :D Imperium Guy 22:35, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Like the pages where you find maps. ;D BTW, did you hear about the comments Jeremy Clarkson made about the teachers on strike, how they should all be shot in front of their families?? :/ Imperium Guy 22:43, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

I know I'm over it. He was worse with his comments on people suiciding uder trains. Yeah, kinda like that, a page filled with maps from different countries and decades. :D Imperium Guy 22:54, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed, wrong place, wrong time. Maps (Nationalist China) would be one. :D Imperium Guy 23:08, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

That would also work well. :D Imperium Guy 23:14, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

xD Noooooo! Not LX!!!!! ARGHHHHHHHHHHHH! He will punish me and sue me in a court! Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 06:01, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Finances Page
Do you like my idea of finances page for Greater Europe? Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 19:13, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm... Alright then, we'd better not use it then. Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 06:51, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

I'll make it with it. But trust me, it's really hard to find what was their wealth during 19th century. Even in the beginning of 20th century, it was hard for me to find. Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 16:54, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

Principia Moderni Formatting
Hi! I would like to suggest that instead of just indenting text to reply to other people, that you make a bullet point first, and then indent, or put ** instead of :* like you are doing, as that keeps the formatting of the page consistent. It's not that important though, so no worries. LurkerLordB 21:14, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

About territory on Islands (PM)
I, Finland, was the one who colonised it, not Russia. Though I'd want to keep the island because I don't want to travel that far from Finland to visit Japan (plus the Finns on that colony like it very much being close, unlike Finns colony around OTL Timor is where its still a bit far). If I give island, you (Japan) think could have like cultural exchange with Finland? -Kogasa 11:17, December 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * I know but the Finns that were in the colony would be closer, thats what I meant (of course mainland Finland and the colony on OTL Timor is further away and have ways to travel). And, I'm planning to covert some Finns to Shinto and make Finland similar to Eastern World (hence why the cultural exchange). :P
 * As for having the land on the Chishima islands, I only wanted it because its close to Japan, nothing really else. ^^ -Kogasa [[Image:Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png|23px|border]][[Image:宮城県.png|23px|border]][[Image:Flag of Japan.svg|23px|border]] 16:42, December 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's works. I'll give the island to you now, and can I set up the trade post in Kōchi, Kōchi Prefecture (if its okay)? -Kogasa [[Image:Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png|23px|border]][[Image:宮城県.png|23px|border]][[Image:Flag of Japan.svg|23px|border]] 17:30, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it does. 日本帝国 is also correct. Both mean/refer the same. ^^ -Kogasa 15:23, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

I didn't delete any which person's post... Saamwiil 15:08, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Greater Europe
So sorry for not responding, I've not been able to be very active, so I haven't been logging in. What are your plans now?

Russian Revolutionary Wars
Absolutely i think you have it all correct, i was busy with another article but now i will definitely continue this one. Thank you. Germanarmy17 13:54, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Ishigaki/Karafuto
Well, those colonies are important to Hanthawaddy for refueling on supplies and other things on the Northeast Passage. Just let everyone in those colonies continue commerce freely, and set aside two cities in the metropole for similar free trade, and I will be fine. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 00:41, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Note (PM)
Please read Finland's post back in 1766. It says:

In other news, a Finnish ship lands where OTL Gorontalo, island of Sulawesi, Indonesia would be and begins colonising that again, after it had been abandoned for unknown reasons; and that colony shall be named Kōshi (in honour of Nipponese city by the same name, even though it's spelled with a 'c' instead of 's').

I am in no way invading Kōchi, Shikoku (note that its spelled with a C). I am expanding the colony of Kōshi, which uses a S instead of a C. -Kogasa 16:23, January 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. For the moment I read that, I got a bit scared, lol. I guess I should have informed you earlier in case you didn't know. But, everythings been resolved, and hopefully it won't happen again. :] Sorry if I confused you a bit.. -Kogasa [[Image:Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png|23px|border]][[Image:宮城県.png|23px|border]][[Image:Flag of Japan.svg|23px|border]] 16:38, January 10, 2012 (UTC)

Questions
I got your message and I do have a question. I want to join a map game but I don't know how to. Other than that I think I'll be fine. Monster Pumpkin 15:45, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Fractured America
By all means, have it. I currently have a timeline I'm working on so I can't play too much, plus implausibility in the game has just been ridiculous. Maybe if we have a Fractured America Revised or something I'll come back. Have fun. ChrisL123 16:18, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about that, but in all logic it should be an Emperor now. :/ Imperium Guy 21:44, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Ahh... Fair point. Thanks for explaining! :D Imperium Guy 21:58, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, I respect your advice for obvious reasons, your WWI TL. :D Imperium Guy 22:09, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

BTW, with the map, be careful with Bulgaria, if you try to color that in one colur, all the oceans will turn the same colour, and visa versa. :D Imperium Guy 22:25, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Its not a problem if you use paint to edit the map though! :D Imperium Guy 13:16, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

Early WWI
I'm all in. Your timeline will help mine as well, lol! I just spaced out the top of the page. :D Imperium Guy 16:13, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

BTW, how to Anarchic nations work? :D Imperium Guy 16:14, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Hey. I like your Early WWI TL. Is there anything, I could do to help? Enclavehunter 17:58, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

I'm completely fine with that. I like this timeline. BTW, for my "ADE" tl, do you think I need to kill off Trovosky for the white russian State to become a reality? On another note, would Poland become communist (in my TL)? :D Imperium Guy 18:56, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for my late reply. I've got a Ukarine-Belorussian SSR and a Finnish-Karelian SSR. I have given up the idea of Sahakin being a Soviet base. So deaths for all off them, I got you! :D Imperium Guy 20:23, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

No Nukes is finished
Since No Nukes has been completed, do you want to help finish off the Funnier History (Map Game)? It still got lots of years left. You don't have to if you don't want, its just a suggestion. -Kogasa 13:03, January 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, last time I posted on the map game there were times that others had entered and made posts too. I'm sure it'll happen again lol. -Kogasa [[Image:Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png|23px|border]][[Image:宮城県.png|23px|border]][[Image:Flag of Japan.svg|23px|border]] 15:43, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Categories
Saw that you added a few categories. Thank you for the effort.

But, there's a problem: "Alien Space Bats" pages do not get the Timelines category added.

I've fixed them, but so you know in the future.

Lordganon 02:29, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Not surprised that there is still a couple of them kicking around.

But, as a general rule of thumb, yes, remove them.

Lordganon 22:51, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

States of America Revised and Reloaded (Map Game)
Hey Von, I have just changed the States of America franchise forever, and I would like to know what you think about it. You can be both a mod and a mapmaker if you wish on the game. And the algothm is already on the talk page. Please tell me what you think of it,

DeanSims 17:30, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

thanks von, and welcome to the game. if your good with algorithms, you can be the algorithm maker as well. DeanSims 17:51, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

by the way, the game started today, so feel free to post on the first turn. DeanSims 17:52, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

good point, you can add that to the rules if you want, I wish I had thought of that. Can you get the game a base map, i dont know which one to use, although I am looking. And you can post on the games first turn, the has already officialy started. DeanSims 17:56, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

waht do you mean, avoiding the inevtibale? DeanSims 17:30, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

sorry about my above comment, I thought you meant the game. You are equal to me in mod power on the map game, so you are pretty much the games co-creator. DeanSims 17:38, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

ps: you can post now on the game. DeanSims 17:38, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

sorry, im kind of excited, just had a five hour energy, they make me realy hyper. they taste like crap though. DeanSims 17:45, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Hey can you upload the original map for the game, I ve got to update it and the other one got chnged toa much smaller version. In the game Cuba is going Nazi'sish and putting people in concentration camps, Georgia is about to declare war. DeanSims 18:00, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Principia Moderni/Invasion of Brandenburg
Hey there, this is Prussia. I was going to declare war on Brandenburg in hopes of expanding my nation as well as attempting to remove the threat that the current King of Brandenburg currently holds on Central Europe. Since we have a military alliance, I was hoping I could have your support in this war. I will be declaring war in 1806, please let me know if you will send troops.

Thanks :P I sorry about forgetting to sign my name! JonAllenMichael 17:27, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Note (PM), 2
Hello. I was just informed that if I end the war with Ternate in 1823, I would have gained all the island. So, does the division look good, or would you like some more land? -Kogasa 12:27, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Sure, here it is: It's good? -Kogasa 12:53, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

PM question
Tbh, I don't really know. I think I am mainly deterred due to not being able to take any countries on the sub-continent. :/ Imperium Guy 20:05, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

I'll see then. ;) Imperium Guy 21:09, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Just saying, but you are going to need to give me a nice long guide through PM and its complex math. Considering that Bharat is a country which will go on to oppose colonizers, can I vassalize another kingdom in my first go? :D Imperium Guy 21:20, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, kay. BTW, I might ally with you to push Hungary-Naples out of the Sub-continent. You can profit out of this, they also have colonies on Jakata. :D Imperium Guy 22:26, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

But I like war!! I posted, could u tell me if its alright or not? BTW, what is the darker grey on the map and how is it different from the lighter grey? And I get your points. Looks like I will have to go it solo, although being the homecrowd should help!! :D Imperium Guy 22:40, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah that's fine, and the dark grey means a nation in civil dissarray. So basically its in civil war, revolution, anarchy, etc. Anyway I c u in chat now ;) VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:43, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

I'm on chat if you're intersted!! :D Imperium Guy 17:51, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

And again (I've watched the Kony 2012 video!!) :D Imperium Guy 18:44, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Hanthawaddy
Look, forgive me. I don't know if you notice my messages at the PM Map Game, but listen: I confess. I joined Hanthawaddy's side temporary because I didn't want to be on the losing side of the war, but then when there was no one helping it, I had to switch sides! Please forgive me! RandomWriterGuy 06:14, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

What does the phrase "bottom of the pecking order" mean? RandomWriterGuy 22:19, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Question
Hello.

Will you be willing to help Finland in gaining it's (true) independence around 1850s? Now seeing that this may lead to war with Sweden (I hope not), and if it does, will you be able to care for my colonies (Kōshi, Sätōri, Käwäshiro, Hyvinkää) temperately so I don't loose them in the war? Or if not, I can at least let Hyvinkää (hopefully) declare independence sometime in the 1840s. Or if not now, Finland can declare independence in 1870s instead if needing more time.

On an unrelated note, and, I'm just curious, but have you ever heard about of the 東方 (Touhou) Project before? -Kogasa 17:02, March 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, okay. Well if your interested you can find more information about it here (and it is also a manga too).
 * Anyway, back to PM, I need to know if you can take care of my colonies briefly so I won't lose it to Sweden if I have to fight for independence. -Kogasa [[Image:Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png|23px|border]][[Image:宮城県.png|23px|border]][[Image:Flag of Japan.svg|23px|border]] 21:36, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, on second though, I think I'm postponing the independence idea for a while. I didn't realise (until now) that Brunei is violating the Rotterdam conference (even though I don't think the were invited to the meeting anyway) and they have a colony on the Sulawesi island (which Finland claims it all as agreed via Rotterdam conference). Could you help Finland try to convince them to stop or if they don't (and I really want to avoid this), try and fight them off the island? -Kogasa 23:33, March 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, saw Sweden threatening to blockade and bomb the Imperial Palace of Brunei (see Sweden's post in 1848), seeing as they violated the treaty so I will wait a while to see what Brunei has in response in Sweden's post. Hopefully things will end out well, and maybe I might get to buy the colony from them (with either alliance or trade agreement if Brunei wants).
 * Thanks for your help. Now hopefully the conflict won't go to war (seeing Sweden, who knows what might happen). -Kogasa [[Image:Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png|23px|border]][[Image:宮城県.png|23px|border]][[Image:Flag of Japan.svg|23px|border]] 12:34, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

There's nothing like...
So, I have expanded heavily in Australia and I now seem to be in a favourable position. So I now offer you this splitting up of Australia. You will get more than half of the Continent, but I will need you to defend my claims if an unfavourable situation arises. The map is also here.

I hope you like these boundaries. :D Imperium Guy 12:44, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

True, you have to abide by the conference, while we don't!! And what dya mean it make u chuckle, it was a serious offer (and technically, it wasn't the Buy One Get One Free, it was Buy 5 and get the 6th Half-Price)? :P Imperium Guy 13:56, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

I get what you mean. Ahh, the SafeStyle UK advert... "you buy one, you get one free. I said u buy one u get one free... i tell you free fittings. so what are you waiting for, call 0800 106 107 now, i said 0800 106 107 NOW!!" That all I remember, lol! :D Imperium Guy 15:15, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

They show it way to many times. It kinda sticks in your head after a while Im afraid! :D Imperium Guy 15:18, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

TSPTF
Would you be at all interested in a Constable position, Von? Lordganon 21:55, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Done. You can accept the nomination here. Lordganon 23:43, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

You need to say why you'd like the position, as well. Lordganon 17:06, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

GIF Files
Hi, Von, I'm Scrawland Scribblescratch. I had a question, and you seemed like the right person to come to.

How do you make .gif files? I have absolutely no idea how to, and Google and other searches aren't really helping.

If you can help me, thanks! And good luck on becoming a constable! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:46, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Von! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 15:11, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Mesheryakovism
Is basically a radical socialism, almost communism, but monarchic and opposed to the pure republics. It aprooves any violence or bloody revolution tog et the objective, that is a world ruled by that idology (in this sense, is like fascism, not tolerating other ideals). The society is levelled by the service to the State, and the State controls the economy and industries. FIrst the monarch, then the premier, parlaiment, military, industrials...--Galaguerra1 19:35, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Until 1874 --Galaguerra1 01:30, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you so much for your support. Tried having the Taipeng Rebellion, but it ended up being more bloodier than it was OTL! CrimsonAssassin 22:45, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm planning to do some sort of communist revolution sometime before WWII. CrimsonAssassin 23:00, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Hey Von, I would like to know: How do you vassalize a nation from a vassal? Asking because you have done this successfully in Australia so I was just wondering. BTW, after the whole communist war is over in the world, I was wondering if the major Asian powers could form an alliance. I was think of Bharat-Dravidia and associates, Vietnam and associates, Japan and associates, Brunei and associates and China and associates. What dya think? (and on a sidenote, how was easter?). :D Imperium Guy 23:51, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I get the vassalization stuff clearly, thanks for that but I just wanted to ask whether I could do that with a semi-independent state I conquered?

As for my easter, more mediocre than your, lol. Being in Secondry, you still get the 2 wekks easter holidays, but the wheather up north was worse than shit, so that went down the drain. Only got to eat 2 easter eggs :(. And love triangles, I have seen lots of them in academy, lol.

On the bright side, doing better in PM!! :D Imperium Guy 14:37, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations, you are now a Constable in the TSPTF. This allows you to showcase the TSPTF membership badge on your user page. Furthermore it gives you the rollback power on this wiki. In the History page of an article you will notice a new option called "rollback". This is an anti-vandalism tool. It allows you to quickly undo edits in case someone has made more than one edit to a page. By clicking rollback it will immediately revert the article to a time before the offending editor edited the page. This is your most important duty. By agreeing to be a constable, you are promising to do your best to patrol for vandals and trolls.

When you get the chance, please go to the TSPTF page, and sign up for some responsibilities. In reality, none of us have the time to devote to all of the duties that are expected of an administrator of the wiki. You are expected, however, to sign up for at least three responsibilities listed in that section. These are duties that you are agreeing to carry out to the best of your ability every time you are on this wiki. I'm hoping that by doing this the members of the TSPTF can efficiently share the work load of the wiki and gives us time for the real reason we are here. Since you are only a constable and do not have the power to delete or block, do not feel obligated to sign up for any duties you do not have the powers to do. Please inform and respect those in a position to do so if you see a problem that involves a needs for either of those things.

Again, congratulations on being elected to the TSPTF and good luck.

Lordganon 09:05, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

???
I'm curious, since you have Nippon undergoing nationalism and stuff, will it still be possible that Finland (and her colonies, which will all become independent sooner or later) can remain allies/friends with Nippon? I mean, in Finland (and her colonies) by now the Nipponese cultures (and Shinto) have lived alongside with Finnish culture for a long time and have been inspiring the Finns allot and etc.

Sorry if I'm asking a (sort of) odd question, I kinda got a bit worried. -Kogasa 17:08, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

I understand. Though to be honest, Finland was actually being Easternised, and because of this, they don't like the West that much either (more so with the Finnish colonies, and former Finnish colonies).

Anyway, I'm glad that your bringing Nippon national identity and culture back. :]

I know that this wasn't something to worry about, but I just didn't want Finland-Nippon relations to break, that's all. -Kogasa 04:44, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Bharat and Dravidia are "easternizing" Africa and South America!! We don't need to worry about Australia, that is mainly our (Bharat-Nippon) influence. But what I am here to message you about is Sunda. I think I might have to take it out as it is spreading Islam right on Bharat's back door, and Bharat is anti-Islam. I really hope you don't support it as I won't have it as a colony and I will give it away to (none other than) Brunei. If you oppose it, then I do not know how I will go about this!! So will you not support it? :/ Imperium Guy 13:51, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, no invasion. Well, I think it is a good idea to have the the sultan overthrown. Did you notice the nation on the same island as Sunda expand into Sunda?

And the war against Russia is classified (I have no clue, I'll get back to you). But the war against Russia will give you the chance to claim more land for the Kamchatkan province. I'll ready a map soon. :D Imperium Guy 17:03, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Hello again.

I noticed that the Panama Republic (it's what the Finns refer to the USA in their language) also has land in OTL Venezuela (seeing latest 1890 map), and Finnish colony of Käwäshiro plans to have all of OTL Venezuela under their rule (they claimed the areas too). Is it okay if you could sell the land thats lies under OTL Venezuela to them please? They are also willing to pay lots of money for it as well, or whatever else you may want. -Kogasa 08:41, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

the reason im mad at it is becasue ive been expanding for 75 years and my borders are still the same. but wahts your proposal? DeanSims 17:52, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

i mean they havnt even touched my borders, and when i try to upgrade it, im threatened with being anned. How about the ICR and USA, both similar due to being small in the new world, unite to continue the USA. DeanSims 18:07, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

i accept. DeanSims 18:28, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

when i turn 18, you bet ur wallet Ill be going to Europe to see if the Old Worlds just as good as the New, and i better not be dissapointed. ;D DeanSims 18:51, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

cool, do you have acces to Youtube? DeanSims 19:07, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

well, if you have access to Youtube, look up Life is a Highway, by Rascall Flatts. DeanSims 19:22, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

I am going for Oxford or Cambridge  Nah, realisitically Edinburgh seems pretty good. I am right now looking to go down the science field: anything from Chemical Engineering to Physics to Astrophysics and Astrogeology. What do you think? :D Imperium Guy 13:36, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

No  Academy. Impressed, lol? I do think I will be able to skip college and jump straight to Uni as I think I am capable enough. I'll make sure that I only take subjects which interest me, lol. :D Imperium Guy 14:42, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

U pulling my leg, lol. Its a secondary, its just that its got the word academy in its name. Its no suprise really about Oxford and stuff. However, I really want to get in as they have their own cicket team and every year the Australian first cricket team tours them (Its important cause I'm a cricket fanatic)!! BTW, what do you know about the Curriculum for Excellence? :D Imperium Guy 15:00, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

You are welcomed to join the Banned and Implauable AH Wikis, on the banned Wiki we currently need ideas and other things such as more editors and pages. Please reply on the Banned Wiki to this message.

thank you,

DeanSims 20:26, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

Korea
Korea requests that Nippon assist them in the conflict against Taiwan and Vietnam, as if they win, it will bring great wealth to both nations as they can take apart Vietnam's colonial empire. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 23:22, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

Australian Kingdom
Yeah, I saw it already. But it's mapmakers, not me. And it's your colony, and that's my actual country. We could negotiate? Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 03:22, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

I really suggest that we negotiate and agree on claims after the whole Australia is colonized. Then we can make a sitrep. Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 09:35, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry. I was not invited to the conference so John I does not yet know about any claims. Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 10:04, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

Nor John I, nor John I's diplomats did ever leave Australia, except for France or Bhurat. I'm keeping it realistic. I wasn't there = I wasn't there. I was there = I was there. I'm not trying to be "that guy", but I am not going to metagame on this mapgame. Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 10:56, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

PM War
This is one last attempt to get you to see the greatness that would come out of not siding with Taiwan. If you attack me and win, what do you gain? I have no colonial empire, and my main nation is really small anyways. Also, Korea and Nippon have worked together a lot with each other, and will continue to work together, so it would be more beneficial if we have good relations. And also, I'm trying to start World War I right now, and it would be a lot more interesting if you side with me... so cheers! :)

Also, nations back then didn't fight for oppressed nations. Usually they worked for their own benefit. What benefit does Nippon get by getting in a war with Korea besides thousands of soldiers dead needlessly? PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 19:44, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

And yet, it would be much more beneficial if you remained neutral in the conflict- how does it help you to join in? After the war is over, you can resume trade, and everything. Also, there's a lot of joint Korean-Nipponese research going on. All that can go down the drain, along with millions of dollars. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 21:11, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

And yet, what the Koreans want is not another colony, but the restoration of their national pride. After Korea went into disarray several decades ago, it was humiliated, forced to sign treaties that gave away all their lands. Once upon a time, Korea controlled Machuria, Taiwan, Hawaii,and many other colonies around the world. We are doing this to restore our national pride. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 21:23, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

Then, you can relate even more to us. Join us, and let us become a global power! PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 21:32, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

PM
Thanks for the tips, I really appreciate a little help. I just don't know where it's borders are, so I guess I'll play it by ear. CourageousLife 00:34, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm...well, the game has progressed very far and I wouldn't want to ruin it all of a sudden. However, now that you mention it, I suppose I shall see. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:57, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Von. As of right now, I have no questions. Thanks for encouraging me to join. :) Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:44, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Principia Moderni Help?!
Hello,

I recently took over Berlin in the map game Principia Moderni and I was wondering if you could help me with a few things. First of all, I don't see Berlin anywhere on the map. What's up with this? Also, I don't really know what to do and what's the current state of my country? Thanks. EzraNYC 22:22, May 23, 2012 (UTC)EzraNYC

Thank You, I'll look into it. Do they mind having less experience people? Andr3w777 18:09, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Have you ever worked with DeanSims? Everyone keeps telling me he is biased, Since I am playing fractured America as Japan, is there anything I need to be wary of(providing you know him of course). Also since I am fairly new to Map Games, If I were to create one in the future, How would I proceed? I just want to make sure that here is a favourable outcome for all. Andr3w777 18:24, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

I've joined PM as The Kingdom of Wales. Are you sure that his would be good for an inexperienced person, I don't want to ruin something.Andr3w777 18:57, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

And exactly how do I go about vassalizing them? EzraNYC 13:55, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Spam Filter
Odd. They must have changed the requirements for it, then - constables used to be able to report those.

The spam filters change a lot. Give it a few days, and then let me know if it works or not then.

Lordganon 03:58, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

PM Help
Hey Wales is not coloured on the map despite my playing for several turns, also I was wondering how best to move, I am a small, cordoned off nation, hemmed in by Vietnamese controlled Britain and Ireland, I need them as allies for the moment but I really need to expand. Maybe attack France(with big enough military obviously) Maybe allying with Berlin to achieve this? Need Help and Insight. Thanks Andr3w777 18:27, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Thank You. Wales has been building itself up for war with Denmark. We are not comfortable with messing with France right now, and I'm fairly certain that attack against Britain is a fool's errand right now. Is there any unclaimed regions in North America (OTL Canada or Greenland)? Andr3w777 22:51, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

People are complaining in fractured America that Spain deserved land in Borneo and that California did not seize Arizona etc. It is really annoying as I am Japan and I have been doing fairly well. Andr3w777 23:02, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

How do you officially start a colony, plus where is the war algorithm I can't seem to find it anywhere. I want to run a mock scenario against Britain to see how long I need to beef up the military. Andr3w777 23:05, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

As a curiosity, I think I may have made a mistake with Wales, is it possible to jump ship to somewhere else? I am still new at all of this so trial and error right? Andr3w777 23:08, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

I was reviewing the war algorithm and I'm not great at math. I understand stability and all that but judging by the example provide in the rules I would fail an invasion of Britain right now. I therefor have decided on not entering into any war unless I'm left with no choice. At least until I can gain enough power. Is it possible to have somebody compute an algorithm. I hat to bug you but could create a simulation algorithm for an invasion of Britain from Wales. I have Russia and Berlin as allies. Andr3w777 23:22, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Also, funny that you should mention that because I was going to ask you if I could create a new nation in North America. I know that the game will be over in one hundred days, but I was interested in creating "Zanakharia" in OTL Idaho and Montana. Do you think it is possible? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:03, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

I've followed your advice but Europe is heating up fast. Berlin has declared war on Denmark, I believe Vietnam plans to attack me soon. I have claimed neutrality and have extended an alliance offer to France. I don't think I can stay neutral long though. Andr3w777 17:18, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Allright, Wales and France just formed the European Council, which is sort of like the EU. Any member nation will have full military and economic aid. If a non member nation attacks a member one, the all go to war. The problem is that Berlin invaded Denmark today and we haven't even had the first meeting yet. Can you talk some sense into him? Andr3w777 00:15, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds wonderful, but I want the nation to still be called Kōshi if it's okay.

Anyway, I was also planning on merging the Republic of Kazami into the Shogunate of Kōshi as well (into one, meaning Kazami would become a part of the nation, and not a puppet).

Also note that I still want females mostly leading the nation (if its okay), as Kōshi along with Finland and her colonies have been mostly having female governors, shoguns, prime ministers throughout history (and thus women have more rights then men at the moment).

Besides that, I like the idea and I agree with the plan. Though what year do you want to begin? Because currently Kaija Tanaka is 58 years old (she was born in 1857), and I plan to have her be succeeded by Mikaela Tanaka (female Shintoist, born around 1910) in 1930. -Kogasa 14:00, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about all that, but for several years it has been really bad. I deleted the post about Wales becoming Commie. Andr3w777 00:42, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

For the name, I want it to make at least a indirect, slight, reference to Touhou Project (either a location, or a character) [if it's al-right]. BTW When I named the former colony Kōshi, it was the name of a real town in OTL, but it's a little reference to Koishi Komeiji (from how I see it anyway, despite Kōshi having exactly nothing to do with Koishi). Because Kōshi is the closest name to Koishi and it still reminds me of Koishi, hence why I named the colony it (the actual spelling of Kōshi would be Koushi, thus it is pronounced slightly different from Koishi).

And fair enough. I'll be having Hyvinkää merge into Kōshi by 1920 (after I get that last island that seems to be forgotten for some reason; even if not the merge will take place by 1920). -Kogasa 03:34, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Hey can you finish my algorithm for Wales-Collectivist South Ireland war on PM- I have the Wales part but i don't know stability and I'm fighting a NPC country so idon't know there values Andr3w777 03:00, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

OTL Population? and may country hasn't had a gvernment change at allAndr3w777 16:26, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Principia Moderni II Former Colonies
Looking back at our debate over whether or not people should be able to control one former colony or all of them, it now looks sort of silly. You posted hundreds of lines of text arguing that we should be able to control more than one to me, and in the end, all of it was totally useless in persuading me until your final paragraph, about how it produced an unrealistic amount of inactive nations. That final argument did sway me into deciding that controlling one former colony was not enough. I have thought over this for a while, and I have decided that we can control more than one if we remove the alternate-colored puppet states, and give former colonies the players are controlling their own colors, will allow us to control more than one. However, I still think that controlling like 7 or more former colonies is still excessive, but you did make a good point and now that I think about it, only one former colony as a player nation is too little. Therefore, I have decided to propose a compromise, that the limit of former colonies that can be controlled at once time be risen to 3 instead of 1, as I feel that three would make the game active enough to be realistic, but is few enough so that each former colony can have its own color (if we remove puppet state colors) and that the number of nations per player doesn't get confusing. Is this compromise enough for you? LurkerLordB (Talk) 14:33, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

More moderator events is fine, plus we could have more things such as dynastic unions and alliances and enemies between NPC nations so if one is attacked the rest all help one side in the war. Plus, players are allowed to have NPCs attack them as long as there is a plausible reason for it and the NPC nation would actually think they could win, so if people did that more the NPCs would seem less passive. LurkerLordB (Talk) 01:04, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

UK
Thinking about moving to the UK. This won't be a while, I am only 15, just wondering you know. I wanted to figure out what it's like in the UK before I sign up for anything. I just though going to the UK would be interesting, and I wouldn't have to learn another language (not so good in Spanish Class, don't expect to do better in any other languages). But besides all that stuff, I has always wanted to see the London Eye and a castle. Should my UK plan fail, I plan on moving to Maine, where I can see a lighthouse. And should that fail, I am heading back to Texas. TacoCopper

Hmm, Russell Group sounds preety good, but theres going to be a lot of competetion for it. 8 for every open space doesn't sound like I'd get in. I think I will be able to get past the problem of accents, because we have a ton of people in Texas with accents and I have been able to learn what they are saying very quickly, so I don't think that will be much of a problem. Anyways, thanks for the information about the UK again. TacoCopper

Too quick is the commonwealth (PM)
Von, the Commonweath could not expand as much as you have been showing it to as over 5 yrs you have expanded around 75,000 km for the commonwealth, but I have expanded Naya Australia by 288,000 km in the last 4 years. But the commonweath seems to have expanded more than Naya Australia by a fair margin, which I think is incorrect. So? ¬_¬ Imperium Guy 13:38, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

i dopted it with Doctors permission, iM restarting it, and I want you to be mod. I WILL NOT BE SILENCED!!! DeanSims (User talk:DeanSims) 20:58, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Dean
Yes, you are correct. He can't just up and do that. Lordganon 05:13, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Da Division (PM)
I might invade it actually. I was first planning to affirm control over Fjoordlaand, but I could capture the colony first. I even have the division worked out if you support me. :D Imperium Guy 21:29, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

I was wondering, as you are from the UK, it is not terribly different is it? My mother's side of the family is directly Welsh, and my father German. I was curious about life in the UK as I was entertaining the notion of moving bac kto Wales(Cardiff maybe?) or maybe live in Scotland as it has always facinated me. I think I should be good language wise as I have a real talnt for not only understanding, but also immitating dialects. I am American obviously, but for some reason I think I want to return to the home country. Do you have any insight to the UK and its eccentricities that you'd care to share? Andr3w777 00:23, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

The UK, you can never get enough of it! :D Imperium Guy 09:14, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Here is the division map. I am giving you a huge portion, plz respect that ;). I have given Kwasiwaro the northern portion and the colour in the light border is how much the country should expand to join with the colony of the French colony they are recieving. I have also put Fjordlaand under my colour as I plan to vassalize it. We also need to convince the Chinese to make their SA colony a puppet to get more nations onto the American Alliance. Union of the Americas is the name I would suggest.

I am not being mean to Bengal, I am just helping it get top terms with its neibhours so it can expand. This is how I will make Bengal, its going to be like its glory days. The second light yellow state is its vassal. So when Dk returns, he will have a powerful Bengal, not the rump of what it became.

Do you like the plan, I took a lot of time when I planned this!! :P Imperium Guy 09:14, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Von, you complaining for 1%? I am giving you like heaps of land!! :o Imperium Guy 11:49, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Greater Europe
Third Reich needs you ;) Come back here . Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 06:25, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Oh no religous nut cases, my heart is filled with joy!! I bet the waether isn't all tahat great, but I think I'd rather have it than over 100 degree heat and tornados, yet for some strange reason, everyone here says that love it here! Are they deranged? I can't stand the weather here G.B has to be better than this! Andr3w777 15:42, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Federation of the Americas
I've been inactive last times, but now this sounds good enough to be my return to this game. Let's go then, I like this idea. --Galaguerra1 16:34, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Offer (PM)
Would you be interested in joining the Hakurei League? Unlike the other leagues proposed, there is no official language (all languages are tolerated as equal and de facto official), and it also allows any nation to have a say and can vote on anything. Of course, Empress Sonja Komeiji would like some help in trying to organise it so it could fit your needs. Currently the Hakurei League was open to only former Finnish colonies but it can open up to other nations as well if they like. -Kogasa 12:50, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

It be a great opportunity, and plus we could ensure better security among other things.

As for the Burnei-Kōshi stuff, I agree with having more turns before the actual event. To make it more interesting, may I suggest having a yacht built only for them, designed to their likings? Other than that, I kinda don't have any ideas. Just whatever ideas we come up with can be good enough (even if its stuff found in any other typical date, like going to the films). -Kogasa 15:45, June 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Don't forget, we gave Koshi's empress a private plane for her use!! :P [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imperium Guy 12:01, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Is Ezra still playing PM? He hasn't been on for some time.Andr3w777 20:34, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Hey Von, how much is the French South American colony in pixels as I have won 5125 pixels against the French!! If the colony is less than 5125, then I'll capture a small French colony to increase my colony numbers. And well done on your 4,000 edits!! :D Imperium Guy 20:39, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I think we should just take over the colony anyway. And I think my warning on not to mess with Onguayal probably put them (the EC) off!! BTW, could you get any of your nations to join the war so our lead increases? And your welcome, I only have 8000 edits cause I like to edit!! :D Imperium Guy 10:36, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

I think 2 more powers should sway it enough, and Muscia might not be powerful enough. Lets just look at the algorithim now... (and thanks for the support against Australia, I have no clue why he's suddenly doing this!!) :/ Imperium Guy 11:56, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Nearly, if we can convince Kogasa for more support, the territory is fully ours!! :D Imperium Guy 12:01, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

BTW, when did you add the TSPTF badge to the vampire guy in your profile pic? :D Imperium Guy 12:03, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Could the commonwealth (and maybe Sunda) help in Ausralia, or maybe Brunei? :/ Imperium Guy 16:50, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

YES!! I have managed to conquer the French colony!! I have 8075 French pixels to play with. We can now divide up the colony!! :D Imperium Guy 21:21, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

I have a map ready of how the world looks with the recent wars over. Have a specific look at South America. Tell me if you don't like the borders. I think I have done quite well overall, as Onguayal as managed to defeat the French with support.

BTW, as I can see scraps are starting over the nuke, and well we can start up our own program. Bharat, Finland and Nippon. We can involve Vietnam and China as well because the more the merrier!!

How can you create the plane egine in '34? '36 or '37 atleast methinks. Do you have any other plans we can work on to expand Asian influence?? :D Imperium Guy 22:02, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

It now seems that there will be a world war II (with world war I being the one involving all the powerful nations of the world in the 1870s) because a arms race has begun. We need to make a strong enough alliance that we come out on top. Or we could just take out the nations one by one. The Pan Celtic Union can be toppled by telling Yank to draqg Britian into a war against them which we will all support. Denmark is not that great a threat in the time being, but Russia is. I have no clue on how to go about destroying Russia!! :/ Imperium Guy 11:46, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

I was planning to nick the colony in NZ, but you can have it. I'll mainly take the colony around Jaffna and in Dravidia. I might take one in Africa if I feel like it.

Galapagos, looks Finnish/Kwasihiroian. :D Imperium Guy 16:12, June 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Nope, it's Fjordlaand (Swedish). I don't control them though, as it wasn't coloured in Green and they became their own (see in archive 1889, collaspe of Sweden and the corrosponding map of Sweden's end), so I don't know why they are in light purple. -Kogasa [[Image:Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png|23px|border]][[Image:宮城県.png|23px|border]][[Image:Flag of Japan.svg|23px|border]] 16:18, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

I have the map ready. I do plan to merge with Fjordlaand, but we could go to war instead to capture it. You can have the islands!! ;)

I didn't watch it much but apparently the scores should have been 1-1, cause Ukraine's goal was over the line or something!! BTW, the superstate idea does seem good. :D Imperium Guy 22:10, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

It just is. Its to even out the Capilate's control. The muslims had India under their rule for so many years, its a wave of revenge.

I'll change the map. For the encroachment, I'll stop expanding and let you take the rest of the area. :/ Imperium Guy 15:09, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Ok. BTW, I know its not a threat, and I would like it more as an ally (which it is). BTW, does the Nipponese Royal Family have any Princesses around the late 20s, as one of the Bharati Princes needs a wife. :D Imperium Guy 19:16, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Poland - Gr. Eu.
What is the current situation with Poland in Third Reich? I'm not quite sure. By the way. Adolf Hitler is quite old now, but in fact younger than Benito. Adolf was born in 1889, while Benito in 1893. Benito will die quite soon from his age, and you should also consider that for Hitler. And... You should do something more violent because Third Reich is kinda becoming democratic, because not much has been done lately by you. Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 10:50, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Well. The times are coming and in the following turns lots of stuff will happen. So I suggest you annex Poland, and state something to the world to make it look like a good move. Let's just say that my move on Ethiopia inspired you to do all this. After that, we(you) can take care of baltics. What do you think? Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 12:46, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Taking out Baltic States before the invasion would have strategic bonuses, so you should consider that. Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 16:59, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Could you kindly clarify your stance on our theory of nuclear physic and its steps toward a bomb? In your post you say that you are already working on a bomb, well forgive me if I am mistaken, but the Russo-Celtic- Danish alliance has been working on the idea for awhile. Albert Einstein was born in this ATL and migrated to the PCU in the twenties(just read my past posts) He did develop the Theory of Relativity, which Russia began experimenting with. After several turns of work in a new field formed by Einstein, Nuclear Physics, the PCU and Russia merged their research with Denamrk aiding with manpower. This all occured BEFORE your post. Ergo we developed the idea before you. We will not go crazy with it, the bomb will be built within a reasonable time frame(probably OTL) and when it is built the PCU has no intrest in using it in hostility, it is merely a deterrent. Also the PCU is more interested in the ENERGY of the chain reaction vs the actual bomb. We will continue, I hope this doesn't hamper our alliance, I do not mean harm toward Nippon. Cheers Andr3w777 16:08, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

Ey. :D In your profile it says that Greater Europe died. Update that please? D:D:D:D Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 05:36, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

PM note
Just to let know that I already created the nation page for Saigyō. Feel free to add anything you want, since we both control the nation.

So, how should we control it? Shall we split it up, as you do some actions for the nation, and I do some actions for the nation in the same turns (we just add on to each other's post) or...? -Kogasa 15:14, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

4 years war? Are you --- serious?
Dude, I don't know what came up to your mind. May I remind you, that it's Soviet Union which is fighting in two fronts, and not you. May I also remind you, that USA is on our side, not on SSRS' side. May I also remind you, that there are more of us than them. Then why would the war last for so long, if russians didn't expect the attack? It's the last time I'm giving you this chance, but by striking out a mod event, you actually broke the rules, and if you want to leave, nobody's holding you. Nothing personal. Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 18:58, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

USA invading USSR is what exactly they didn't expect. And that already means that the amphibious invasion from USA to eastern Soviet Union was successful. May I remind you, that Japan did not attack USA and USA had a huge chance to improve their military, which they used. Soviet Union stayed as it stayed. There military still is a must in Soviet Union, and nobody asks if you want to join the army or not(my friend worked in soviet navy). It basically means that soviet army does not grow quickly. It has grown to be as it is. You may want to provide me with written sources, how would Soviet Union hold for longer than 3 years. Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 10:42, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

You still didn't answer my request of providing me with valid facts. It is alt timeline, yes. But SSRS has basically no difference from OTL. And if it does, the military size is the same, and like I said, the fighting is on thee fronts. It's not like Russia fighting on the west with allies THEN going to the east to fight with allies again against the Axis Powers. Soviet Union people's morale was amazingly low, while they fought. You know that from history already. The generals are still dead, nobody revived them. By fighting in two fronts, Soviet Union has nowhere to go.

Look. The discussion is over, and I am right, and you know that, but I'll keep the war till 1955, Summer, as my sign of support to you as in person. And what you're saying about me knowing about soviets is nothing, then you're wrong. Do you really believe these wikishpedias, wikiledies and other wikiliables about what they say about Soviet Union? Oh come on. Don't be that serious. Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 11:44, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

And, once again you change topics :) Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 15:57, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Whatever you say. I'm sick of telling you the same, so I'll just close the topic. Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 04:22, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

You pissed me off?? LOL, you serious? Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 08:58, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

They broke up my country in PM!!! I was not on for awhile due to internet issues and had no possible way of editing my posts. How do I undue this? It seems really unfair. I didn't leave the wiki I was just unable to edit posts. What can I do to fix this? Is there someone I can talk to? I like PM I just wish I had a bigger nation. and how the hell did I lose Iceland. I have a large military and alliesAndr3w777 17:07, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Please fix your Britain's borders in Greater Europe, since I'm not sure what you wanted to do :) Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 04:49, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Note again (PM)
Just to let know, Tenshi Mäkeläinen is a lady. I always (usually) have female prime ministers, female Shoguns etc. unless I mentioned otherwise.

Also Wales offered to send some resources to Finland to help with the bomb. But I don't know if I should accept or not, since Finland is much closer to Nippon and Bhārat, and I don't want to look like I'm siding with the Denmark-Russia-Wales side (Finland will not join their side at all). What should I do? -Kogasa 11:11, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking of joining the Hiroshima Project actually, but I kinda though that Finland wouldn't make it in (I know you would have accepted, but I had a bit of doubt). Also, having Denmark and Russia next door to me, I would have also feared of their possible interference to Finland so I had Finland held itself back from asking.

So therefore I should accept the Wales offer of sending materials, okay then. Once I do, I'll share it with you as well. -Kogasa 14:56, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

now that the nuclear weapons race is over I suggest that Wales and Nippon work on increasing the peaceful use of Nuclear Energy and the possibilities of nuclear fusion. It seems more logical for the West and the East to merge their respective research to better mankind.Andr3w777 04:20, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, I am here about the land compromise. Here is how far the Bharatis and their associates the Australians are ready to give up:

The grey line is showing what will become yours. We keep all the rest of our territories. Asking for more could be seen as a lead-up to war.

That is all (says the Bharati representative to the Commonwealth). Imperium Guy 11:55, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

very well I wa merely trying to interconnect the research globally, instead of just locally. Anyway Wales thanks you for the years of our delicate alliance and promises to strength ties with not just Nippon but all of Asia.Andr3w777 15:58, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind offer but I must decline. I am about to undertake university entrance exams and have little time to contribute to the wikia. I will however be involved in PMII. Scandinator (talk) 09:48, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks :D. Scandinator (talk) 10:57, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

So, just curious, when do you want to start to bring other nations/colonies into the Imperial Confederation of Saigyō (like Papua New Nipponia, Sunda, etc.)?

Also, how are we going to deal with the former Italian colonies on the Indonesian islands? They all seem to be protected by this Sovereignty Defence League and all, and it looks difficult to try to take them. -Kogasa 12:00, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Yo, Count von Count, my party rockin' friend, what's the deal with Wonderlaand? This whole Sweden thing? The lies? The treachery? Nippon, China, and Bharat, enemies, and nuclear enemies at that, aren't even behaving like this? I don't even think the OTL historical bad guys said anything like this:

"...the Danish mean to destroy Sweden, its history, culture, and enslave its people."

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:03, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

On the topic of the films, all of these are popping up in Saigyoan Koshi. All I said is that Danish film producers translated them into Danish with modifications.

Also, just to let you know that Wonderlaand's efforts will just be fruitless in the end.

And in 1920-something I closed my global borders (with Norway, France, Finland, and Germany) after losing the Norway War (thanks a lot, Italy and Britain, lol) and never lifted them.

Then I blockaded the coast in the 30s.

In the 40s I set up traps in the airs above the nation and I have some WWII-esque fighter jets in the air, alongside some bombers.

Simply put, for the enemy, Denmark is a minefield.

Also, I understand that you had to give a colony independence but I don't see why it has to promote Swedenlandism.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 16:09, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Well, at the time of her capture, she is, 61 years old.

Also, for punishment, I think death is a little too extreme for a lady. Sorry, I don't approve of women getting death sentences, regardless of the issue.

That said, I don't think life imprisonment would be good either.

How about, she is in jail for like 5-8 years, then released with some kind of watchers to make sure she doesn't do anything bad again (I did have her change her mind and she wanted to instead be helpful in some way). She would die of old age in life (at around 85-90 years old). -Kogasa 17:17, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe you guys could put her in jail for a while and then make her do community service.

I think a death sentence could be in order as well. If she killed all these people, she runs the risk of being killed herself.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:29, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

That works. As long as she is alive and is not behind bars, I'm happy. At least she can live her rest of her life peaceful. I accept putting her in exile. Though can she keep her 'third eye' but maybe replace it with a fake eye (as in, the eye would be made from materials)? Because I was also planning in having some kind of myth or superstition of a (like how some people would explore a certain area that is deemed to be haunted by ghosts or something). If not that's okay too. -Kogasa 18:02, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe an article on Satori Komeiji and her sister Koishi Komeiji may help sort things out. :P

It's an inside joke, more or less. Also, since OTL crazy killers do sometimes crazy and insane stuff that would be unthinkable and all, I though it be an interesting twist. -Kogasa 18:49, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Sweden
The cultures and languages of the mainland Scandanavian nations by now will have become so close together due to the long Swedish rule, that their languages would pretty much be dialects of the same language (I forget what Scandinator called it) and they really wouldn't be different enough for micronationalism. The only reason Norway broke away was because the Swedish state was imploding and Denmark, which now dominated, could not stop the collapse yet. The seperation was mostly political, not cultural. The Swedish feel great kindred to the Danes, that's why they broke away from Finland to join them, twice in the game. They want to be part of Denmark. LurkerLordB (Talk) 19:55, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

That's it, Count Frederick S. Von Glusenburg, the war is coming.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:36, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

About (PM)
Two things:

President Janika Erkkilä hasn't done anything, she helped Sunda Bounty hunters captured Shogun Toyotama Jaakkola. So it's Shogun Toyotama Jaakkola that should be exiled, lol.

Also, Empress Orvokki Komeiji asked the Commonwealth of Eetoria and Ngainkeha if its okay for her to test the bombs and nukes there, as she doesn't want to cause disruption to the people living in the Huippuvuoret and the Finnish Overseas Prefecture of Sätōri (for the latter, it would've caused disruption if the bomb had been detonated around Etelämanner [Antarctica]).

That's all. -Kogasa 21:50, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

I want an explanation for 1956's actions before I nuke the crap out of Wonderlaand.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:05, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

This is not humorous. As of right now Denmark tells Wonderlaand to surrender of perish into nonexistance.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:15, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Btw, where's Wonderlaand compared to OTL? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:26, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

OK, but where is Wonderlaand? North America South America Europe Asia Africa Oceania Antarctica, where?

If Wonderlaand surrenders Nielssen and his people, it'll be good, but I also want anyone else who was Swedish supportive exiled to Greenland or something.

And I want to occupy Wonderlaand for a while, and then place a new government in there.

Also, with this shift of government control, I was thinking I could post as Wonderlaand.

Also, you've killed basically everyone in Copenhagen and neighboring island, but even more people because you damaged my skyscrapers, whiich bring in over a million people each day, in each seperate building. And bubonic spreads like wildfire so basically France and Germany will have it too soon.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:50, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Nuclear Arms In PM
Wales will not use its arsenal against Wonderlaand. Iam curious though, why is it that However was involved in the attack isnt being threatened by Sunda to be put on trial for war crimes? And why isn't Chamorro Pharmacies also not put on trial as you said it was their weapons that did it. They are just as guilty as the terrorists. Yet you only accuss Russia and Wales when we've yet to do anything. Might I remind you that Welsh citizens died at the attack, that the next in line to the Welsh throne Princess Maria died while getting married to Haarkon. Why shouldn't we be upset?Andr3w777 (talk) 17:27, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

I meant Whoever, mistake on my part. I understand the situation better after re-reading the past posts. Wales will not use its arsenal. As I stated of the PM talk page, instead we will send in the Red Cross to assist people displaced by war and to provide humanatarian aid. Terrorism only breeds more violence.Andr3w777 (talk) 23:50, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

The Plan for attack (PM)
Hey Von! Well, my stability is at the highest it can get, and as we discussed attacking Russia, I think the time is right. Why, because their stability would now be going lower and lower and my is at its highest. What do you think about it? :/ Imperium Guy 14:38, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Same here. Just for my Bengali colony and stuff, but it is still land. And overlooking the fact Scraw chipped in, we can get other nations to our side. The ones I would really like are Hungary, Vietnam and China (because Finland is already on our side, hopefully). We will also need some propoganda so the SLD does not get involoved. Ypu got any thoughts? :D Imperium Guy 19:22, July 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry to have to intervene, but Finland will not participate in the war, nor Eesti Vabariik, nor Käwäshiro, and especially not Mystiää.


 * It's already been difficult for having Finland to maintain friendly relations with her best friends Nippon, Bhārat, and other fellow Asians; as well as being friendly to her next door neighbours in Europe. All at the same time. Also, all the Finns want to live peaceful lives, and have agreed to no more wars of any kind.


 * Finland will be completely neutral, not siding with anyone.


 * Sorry to disappoint you all. -Kogasa [[Image:Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png|23px|border]][[Image:宮城県.png|23px|border]][[Image:Flag of Japan.svg|23px|border]] 20:36, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

If you are planning war with Russia I ask you to reconsider. We will not back EITHER SIDE without a good cause. War for war's sake is simply not enough. Russia also has nukes, as does Wales, Denmark and most of the Asian nations(including present company) We would need a good reason to join in. We may be provisionary members of the Commonwealth but we are free to go our own way, that was the deal. Hypothetically speaking if land were involved....... I might consider at least a passive aid. All Hypothetical of courseAndr3w777 (talk) 01:53, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

But we do, mwa ha ha ha ha!! It is the place where we discussed about how Bharat would eventually turn out and where we planned to invade the Italian colony. ;D Imperium Guy 14:56, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

I did a mock algorithym and the results were not good. It has shown that Bharat against Russia and is allies would end at a draw. So I haven't added Nippon yet, but I think I need more allies and none of the ones I have asked to help have responded yet!! :/ Imperium Guy 21:21, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

So, do you want to go ahead with the war or what? :/ Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:45, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Lets go! :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:48, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Not really, unless the Shogun retires. Though, thanks for reminding me because I was originally planning to have Hazuki Mikkola (female) elected in 1955 after Kazuko Häkkinen retired, but I forgot to do so. Next turn, I will have Hazuki Mikkola become next Shogun. Also, usually only females are elected/run as Shogun.

That is fine, I don't mind the economy being a bit sluggish and all for a while.

Also, I didn't include Brunei because I thought that you would still control the Brunei Region while I controlled the Kōshi and Kazami Regions within the nation. But I'll include them too. -Kogasa 13:53, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Sure. Only reason why I just keep same leaders for long times is because I don't really feel like searching for names all the time. Even when I do it ahead of time, I only seem to sometimes forget again.

How about a five year term, and no term limits. Is it good?

Also, I have no problem with future Shoguns coming from Burnei, Sunda, and Kazami. As long as they are female, it's fine. -Kogasa 13:01, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Okay. And, as for that, there are few males in the cabinet, as well as a bunch of men being mayors for lots of cities and all. I keep it balanced (or try to anyway). Though I strongly prefer females.

I guess it's okay, you can have like two to three men being Shoguns, but I would like the latest Shogun being a female by the end of the map game, at least.

As for the democratic reforms and all, go for it. -Kogasa 16:27, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks.

And yes, I do. It'll be a female, of course. :] -Kogasa 19:02, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Apologies
I apologize for the confusion in PM. The first part of your post was worded in a way that I mistook. The former gov't cut ties with Nippon because they feared attack from the East. You could say they were paranoid. This is why I installed a differnet gov't that would be more peaceful toward the East. We are still unsure of your motivations which is why we did that to begin with. I apologize for the confusion and offer trade reparations. Also on a side note. You are right about the subterfuge thing, but one has to start small yes? Also I have decided to add you on my list of helpful people for letting me know about PM in the first place. It is a shame we are bitter rivals in game. Perhaps in PM II we could be allies hum?Andr3w777 (talk) 00:56, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Was thinking in being Bavaria. My plan is to unify the German States under the Holy Roman Empire. MP and Scraw are going to help meAndr3w777 (talk) 22:47, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Help!! (PM)
Von, I need your help to crush Portugal. All I need is 15-18 points. Would you be able to aid me? :/ Imp (Say Hi?!) 14:02, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Yus, thank you!! BTW, when do plan to fix France? :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 14:16, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

BTW, I'm breaking it up for more point (look at the algorithym to see what I mean). :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 14:19, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

K, thatnks! :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:20, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

I am surprised as to how well it worked! On to stage 2!! :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:57, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Spelling corrections
It's a dirty job but somebody's got to do it :)

EoGuy (talk) 17:25, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Our nation is anti collectvist, what is it you propose?Andr3w777 (talk) 00:16, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

I would support this, but I think you and Imp still want war, so maybe after?Andr3w777 (talk) 01:09, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Hanover PM
What's the deal with this attacking me? It seems to me that both you and Imp are being ridiculous. Also I am not betraying the principles of the SDL. I just want what is mine. Also this is a border invasion in case you haven't noticed, and if you want someone to scream at for being imperialist, talk to Onoguayal.

Other than that, the American Federation and Wonderlaand are with me right? Can I get a list of Federation members?

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:26, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

You know Von, I hate to say but you really piss me off in PM. All the time, it seems. At first I was very grateful to you for bringing me into the amazing world of PM. Things continually went uphill from there. Then my opinion of you started plummeting with the Wonderlaand business, but I decided I could let that go. After all, I got rid of that in the end. Add to that I eventually got Norway back. So I forget all about my anger with you and Wonderlaand. But then, you think "I'm doing 'imperialist actions' " when all I'm doing is getting back what a real imperialist took from me fifty five years ago. What on earth was your motive when starting this war?

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:53, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

Why don't you do a mock algorithm and see who wins?

On Europe's side:

Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Greenland, Arctica, Wales, Russia, Austria, Breslau, Czechland, Ethiopia, Nouvelle Copenhague, New Wales, Iroquois Confederacy, Byzantium, Flanders, Castille, the rest of the Russian Commonwealth of nations: total: 70.

Now then, Asia's side:

Bharat (L), Onguayal (M), Bihar (MV), Assam (MV), Afghanistan (M), Bengal (M), Bengali vassal (MV), Govapuri (M), USA (M), Songone (MV), Muisca (MV), Manoa (M), Andalucia (MV), Quechua Republic (MV), Dravidia (M), Kongo (MV): 40 alone

Now let me add you and your stuff:

Nippon, Chamoru, Shubuudan, Commonwealth of Eetoria and Ngainkeha, Mauritius

New total: 52

Now Yank said he's still unsure what to do and Imp said Crim's not in this war.

So now, it all depends on who you attack, why, and when. Other than that, you can see where this is going. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:23, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

Any way we can talk privately? I don't like meta gaming, and the talk pages are much too open.Andr3w777 (talk) 19:48, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

Also can I get an explanation why I'm being excluded from moon talks? I just copied what Lx said, because our space program is one and everything we say regards all three nations. (Russia, Wales, Scandinavia)

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:27, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

Oman in PMII
Hey Von,

As you may or may not know I am remaking the PMII map. This current map shows Oman at about 2x its actual size in 1450. You control the eastern half of what the map shows.

Scandinator (talk) 09:31, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the site, but it doesn't have any maps for 1450. I also have already prepared the maps to put together for PMII (I spent 2 days in dusty libraries across Sydney looking for maps between 1445 and 1455 in English, German and French atlases o.O; thank god im quadrilingual). Scandinator (talk) 10:13, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! If I get stuck I'll check out the source pages. The new map should be ready by the 1st of September. Scandinator (talk) 10:57, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I have asked the International League to place anti Collectivist legislature. Also could Nippon join? The League doesn't really care if your at war with a member, just as long as it is humane. Nippon could have greater influence, and go a long way to restoring East/West relations(if you want to do that heh heh)These are not the droids you are looking for. 02:38, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! Buddha was from India!

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:18, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

Look, this isn't goin to work if you don't help out a bit. If you don't want us to be able to use your ICHR, we'll build our own ICC in Stockholm or something and use that and ignore the existence of yours. In OTL, every single country in the world except the Vatican joined, even Switzerland and every other neutral nation on the face of the planet joined. If you want to be hard about it, fine. In case you haven't noticed, Europe has made tons of reconciliatory advances, all of which Asia rejected, so basically, pinning us for hostility is the most ridiculous thing since DeanSims as Andalusia.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:55, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

Colour
Is pale yellow ok? You, Poland, Austria, Novogrod and Hungary are the last ones to pick and thus have the least choice. Scandinator (talk) 15:19, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

Collectivist France
The Brythonic Commonwealth will begin the invasion in conjunctio with Nipponese forces in 1975, once France falls what exactly will happen to the land?These are not the droids you are looking for. 22:15, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, what do you think about having Wonderlaand joining Scandinavia? I remember that you wanted to join but someone said you were too far. The heck with too far! If anything was too far to control, no one would have colonies! What say you? You can still have a large degree of autonomy and govern yourselves mostly, you just have to get into anything that the rest of nation gets into. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:38, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

OK, its all sounds good to me.

Also, let's give the game a good name, like "Rebooted." I hate Revised & Reloaded.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:02, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

Great idea. I call Russia.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:36, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

Oh. This I did not see.

But I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place so I'm afraid I won't be able to help either side because I have the side which I want to join on one side and all my other allies on the other side. I'm afraid neutrality is the way to go for me.

Please do me a favor and take me off the algorithm. If any of them doubt it, send them here.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 16:57, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

Yep. Those are my nations. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:25, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

Well...I'm trying to keep my nations out of war (or at least mainly Finland, Eesti Vabariik, and Mystiää).

Then again, since we both control Saigyō, I kinda don't have much say and if you want to have them support a war, you can. Though, it will be only to an extent. I'll let you know when I don't want Saigyō in a war (you can also tell by how the Kōshis and Kazamis are acting; as well as symbol of peace for them, Sanae Kochiya. If they start to complain about the war, take it as no support. If it seems like they are against something [ie. communism] and if there's a war against such thing they are against [in this case, communism], then you can support the war.). -Kogasa 20:49, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

I started as Alsatia but that's Latin so I changed to Elsass because that is Alsatian. You can have Paris but get enough territory so you have borders with me so then are traintrack thing can work. I want some territory that borders the Atlantic but it has to border you because then I can send the supplies thrugh your country to the territory by the sea. Willster22 (talk)

Sure man, but very biased mod-events!! D: Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:04, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

Not really, the Afghanis and the mainland Bharatis are like Scotland and England. I am following it, I have no colonies on the planet currently. Mughalistan and Nepal, maybe but they are not too different... :/ Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:12, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you can let Saigyō send military support. It will be all right with the Kōshis and Kazamis.

By the way, will you be having an ATL Sony equivalent? Like with the Playstation consoles, etc. Also maybe an ATL Sega as well? -Kogasa 22:48, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

No, I think I'll skip this one. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 09:04, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

I remember seeing that Russia had released a Legend of Zelda equivalent (called Epic of Vaselisa) on their own console (Agent Red) back in 1985.

Anyway I'll be doing some Nintendo games (the atl Nintendo equivalent is 星ザコ (Hoshizako)). Some other games I will have established will be the, , and maybe some other games that no one has picked up on.

Anyway is your Toshiba computers ready to have games on it soon? With some (or maybe better) specifications too? -Kogasa 12:28, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like a good deal. Also only two Shoguns had died so far so some are still alive.

Anyway, if Käwäshiro accepts the joining of the Federation of the Americas after the democratic revolution, what should happen to Mystiää? I mean, Käwäshiro was really the only ally that kept Mystiää alive and with Käwäshiro gone, Mystiää would have no support really.

I was thinking that Mystiää should join Saigyō, if its okay with you. Though they won't go down easily, mind. -Kogasa 13:08, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds interesting. So, I would have to invade both Thailand and Pahang at the same time, right? Then during the war I'd attack either Nippon or Saigyō?

As for Mystiää industrialising allot, I just do it so it's more better off then otl North Korea. They are still backwards in some ways, like 1950 cars still are being driven in the nation (like how in otl Cuba you could see lots of classic 1950s-1960s cars being still used and driven around).

And Mystiää, with the heavy government propaganda that's going around, at least around 1,000,000 are in the military overall (like how otl North Korea has around 9,495,000 over military size). I could do that, but due to the size of the nation, I don't think there is many people fitting in it (maybe around 8,000,000 total population at best?)

I accept the plan. -Kogasa 14:45, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

I posted the plan on the talk page now.

Anyway I will be accepting the Federation Americas offer on the main page now, and soon once everything is settled, Käwäshiro will fall and Mystiää's troubles will soon brew up, and we begin the plan from there. -Kogasa 15:40, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

I thought he would die in 1950 like in otl? Or he didn't have any major diseases that would have killed him them?

Anyway, if he's still alive, then he can be there until 1995.

Sorry, I didn't know. -Kogasa 11:06, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

I agree, he will live on until 1995.

I changed the post and removed the successor. So Satomi Tajuddin-Tanaka will take the throne after Emperor Ahmad Tajuddin's death.

It was just me assuming he died in 1950. Whatever wasn't mentioned ends up being the same as otl. Hence why I didn't know. -Kogasa 18:04, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

PMII
I'm going with Manchuria. I just feel more comfortable with East Asian countries. Vietnam's open if you want it.

Yank 00:27, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the advice! I think I will join the new Principia Moderni.

Hey, I have a great new plan to unite a whole load of European royalty.

So already Russia and Scandinavia are in dynastic union.

Hopefully I can convince Lurk to marry some Italian princess to the Crown Prince. In the meantime, you can have Burgundy and France marry and unite. Then we can bethroth the first born (hopefully a daughter) of France and Burgundy to that of Scandinavia-Russia-Italy.

And boom! Hopefully by 2012 Scandinavia Russia Italy will be united, as will France and Burgundy, as Marie and Louis would die by then, and then their child, married to the new Crown Prince of SRI, can have the SRI Crown Prince for a King consort, and he would also be Tsearevich and Crown Prince blah blah blah blah blah.

You interested?

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:34, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

Lol sounds good to me, but I said bethrothal, like they're set to marry each other when they're old enough.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:19, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

Tangierian-Algierian War
This is what I came up for the formula for Algerian stability: 0.10^1.25/1.25^0.10. It's because the Algerians had a war literally after suffering a coup, and I remember that government changes reset the amount of years ruled. I confess that I forgot when Tangiers was founded. I aslo don't know how to create chance when one of the countries is an NPC, and thus lacks an edit count. Yank 01:48, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

I had Tangiers be founded in 1891, and I don't remember any major government changes. They have ruled for 121 years, and have 8 digits in their population. . I had the unstable Algerian government declare the war at 3:14 AM, and I have done 9,234 edits. Is that all you need?

Yank 13:23, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

Etelämanner/Antarctica
I'm curious, what territory does Federation of the America's Antarctica cover? I know Western side but roughly what otl claims do you have?

I'm only asking, as the Special Region of Greater Sätōri Prefecture, Finnish Antarctica, covers all of otl, and I hope I'm not in conflict over the Federation America's claims. -Kogasa 2012年8月25日 12:26:36 (JST)

Seeing as the Finnish Overseas Prefecture of Sätōri makes Finland closer to Antarctica then the Federation of the Americas (like otl Denmark 'bordering' the Arctic via Greenland), we could just have a joint ownership over the land and some treaty for it. -Kogasa 2012年8月25日 22:52:29 (JST)

I suppose so.

Anyway, as for the recession, am planning to have Mystiää go into war against Saigyō either next year or 2004, and it'll be one less Night Sparrow to worry about.

Finland will become somewhat bad into recession, seeing as Nippon is where the majority of Finland gets its stuff from and a major trading partner.

Saigyō might be far worse, because after said war I mentioned, they would have to fix former Mystiää up badly. Compare to if what if the Koreas had begun to merge under South Korean rule, economy won't be easy. -Kogasa 2012年8月25日 23:47:34 (JST)

Can you just accept that you've lost for once? We've conceded in the past, yet you completely refuse to do so. And you have proven that you have no respect for your enemies. I don't want to argue with you, but if you continue retaliating and being so obnoxiously fussy, I can always take the meanings of "argument" and "rivalry" to a whole new level. I want to have peace in the last week of PM. Is that too much to ask? Or do you feel that you need consider the wishes of any other?

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:19, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

You never even asked that. I will now answer it. The very simple answer is that neither Wikipedia nor Gratipedia would become big hits very quickly and they would not be well known amongst the public of the world. And besides, what happens when is not based on who posts first. So by the time either one finds out about the other (no matter which was created first), both would already be increasingly large in size, and I am sure one of the two would have more pages, and the other with relatively few differences.

However if you refuse to concede I have a compromise. I assume that obviously the two sites would have pages on different topics so after that point they could combine, choosing the more well written of the pages that they both have. Good enough for you?

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:14, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

I was hoping be could take either one, but remember that neither Danish nor Japanese uses "encyclopedia" in that form.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:14, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

Imperial Europe 2
Italy is back and is attacking us. May want to think of a plan, as they didn't accept a peace treaty. -Kogasa 2012年9月06日 05:26:31 (JST)

Let me knwo if you're intrested. http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/DME_(Principia_Moderni_II) Saamwiil (talk) 22:15, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

have a look at my new nation page, I want to see if it is done well. I want it to par with the better ones from the first PM. http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Bavaria-Munchen_Principality_(Principia_Moderni_II_Map_Game) These are not the droids you are looking for. 15:09, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Size
Could you please calculate the pixel-size of England and the Anglo-Irish Lordships? If you can't, could yo tell me how to download this PaintShop Pro? Thank you --Galaguerra1 (talk) 16:23, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

What year should I conquer you? Saamwiil (talk) 17:29, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Von, I appreciate your help ^^ Also, what country you exacly are in PMII? Japan again? (there are so much players I can't know all of them! for now at least, we're starting and I can't). --Galaguerra1 (talk) 19:31, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

My antivirus program doesn't allow me to dowload it, but I've being having that problem for some days. If anything I'll let you know. Thank you very much. --Galaguerra1 (talk) 19:47, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Grand Caphilate? Why not? Ianian58 (talk) 20:20, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Can you help me calculate the size of Epirus??? Bfoxius (talk) 23:43, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

alright, i dont want LG banning me again and its not worth another brawl, ill change it.

welcome, and thanks very much for signature help, tomorow ill make my signsyute coo l like imps and yours, thanks, (Talk)

All sounds very good. Saamwiil (talk) 22:15, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't notice. Do wish to participate in writing the Unification Treaty for the DME? Saamwiil (talk) 01:20, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but those states joining that aren't player must understand what they are joinig. Almost ceremonial though. I just want to make sure, too, that all member know their rights.Saamwiil (talk) 01:35, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Do you feel there is anything one could add to the Definition? Saamwiil (talk) 01:44, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I was going to go on and explain the different branches of the military, like the light infantry, heavy infantry, the irregulars, the arabian irregulars, and the navy. Then there was a section I was going to add about the capitals (yes plural), and territory not held by any province but by the DME. This way the DME can be considdered an actual nation in the game instead, of mere confederation, and only the sum of its parts. I have a plan of switching off the role of roleplaying the Caliph. Also, what year should are war terminate? Saamwiil (talk) 15:40, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Well. 20 years is a bit long, no? And I thought the Caliphate would come after I conquered you, andmarried m, so that other states would be compelled to join. Saamwiil (talk) 00:34, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. So, by your post it seems the war is over? I should then proceed in marrying in the next some years.Saamwiil (talk) 00:47, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

sorry it took so long for me to respond I have been busy doing chores up this weekend. I have posted in agreed to allow freedom ofn religion and all Christian missionaries and Christians ar aloud to enter the Empire at will. I don't go on rages any more, they were a waste of time. have a good night. (Talk)

I can only be in a limited amount of wars, or my algorithm will go down. If he makes any sign towards us then I will support, but right now he's allowing Capitulations, which frankly would be in line withthe empire. Saamwiil, the Humble 00:15, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

I join the caliphate, and pledge the Empires loyalty torwards it. Dean (Talk) 16:10, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

did i do right by nominating the Germany page for deletion? it is future history and thats not allowed right?Andr3w777 (talk) 23:03, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

the Ottoman Empire will join the DME if it can annex some other territories and also a war is started with the Christians for revenge and there horrendous treatment of the Ottoman Empire and it's Muslims citizens. (DeanSims: Talk)

The Ottoman Empire will join the Caliphate as will Wallachia. (DeanSims: Talk) 11:42, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

When can the Caliphate retake its lands lost to Christendom and expand the Caliphate all over Europe? (DeanSims: Talk) 12:28, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

ok, i understand, ive sent troops to assist in Georgia, to bad the Caliphate wasnt around 10 years ago. And when we take the Papal States, I want the pope to be heald as Prisoner of the Caliphte but heald in the Ottoman province where he will be executed, or forced to convert to Islam. That will bring the Christian world to its knees if there beloved pope converts to Islam. (DeanSims: Talk) 12:44, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Christians in the Caliphate
Is it possible to send any Christian refugees to Bavaria instead of killing them or subgigating them? I cannot bear the thought of unjust treatment in your lands. Also why is it that you trust Novogrod? They are a snake in the grass that broke agreements to invade Poland.Andr3w777 (talk) 00:12, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

How hould we treat moscow. I see a post left by Lx on Gun's page that doesn't seem as if he's to loyal to non-agression... Or that's what is teemed in my perception. Saamwiil, the Humble 21:42, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Sure, but after Qoyunlu really needs to stay in Peace until Marwan dies. Saamwiil, the Humble 00:14, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Scratch that. I think we might be at war with the HRE. Saamwiil, the Humble 00:26, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Greater Europe
Mother Russia is trying to rise from her grave (read: revolts are happening in Russia), just to let know.

Anyway, I'm planning to create a Kyokutō-koku (極東共和国, Far Eastern Republic) out of some of the Prefecture of Siberia, and I was wondering if its okay, if you could help out with the puppet state. It would be under joint Japanese, Chinese, and German control since it borders all said three nations. Also can Japan, China, and Korea have an alliance with you? -Kogasa 2012年10月04日 20:36:53 (JST)

Hey Von!
I have several questions:

1.what is the TSPTF or however its spelled, and how does one aqquire membership

2. In the Future, We all know the likelyhood of any large Empire to exist for an indefinate amount of time, Lets say that the HRE collapses some time into the future, maybe long after the Caliphate falls. I don't know, but if it ever fell, I would need an ally outside of Europe or the former HRE that would support Bavaria in expanding into former HRE lands. All of this is a question that is posed as a hypothetical and ONLY if the HRE collpases because of mod events, MP or Scraw leaving the game, or a foolish war that topples the government.

I understand the you are Caliphate, but that will collapse hopefully before the HRE, when both have faded into memory I think it would be splendid if we had somesort of alliance and or agreement.

Just thinking in advance.

Andr3w777 (talk) 15:57, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

You seem to be fairly adept at creating maps. Could you possibly create a map of the HRE, Particularly the Bavarian regions of Bavaria, Baden-Wurttemberg, Nassau, and Thuringen. I understand that i am asking my enemy, but scan isbusy and my maps are fugly. thanksAndr3w777 (talk) 23:23, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

I mean one which shows all of the states in the HRE...Andr3w777 (talk) 00:19, October 7, 2012 (UTC)

yeah that would work, I can add the names later. Everytime I try to crop Europe it gets all fuzzy and unusable.Andr3w777 (talk) 00:26, October 7, 2012 (UTC)

TO THE CALIPH, WE WISH TO STOP Byzantine warmogering and constant threat to our provinces, we wish for war to be declared on Byzatines if they do not end military buildup and/or they try to expand past there current borders.

-Dean

(DeanSims: Talk)

Could you please tell the ottomans(dean sims) to stop threatening Byzantium. They are not harming you, just trying to protect themselves from the Neapolitans. He has threaten military action. You know as well as I that would draw the entire HRE, and her allies down onto them. Leave us be. Cheers and with no hard feelings Andr3w777 (talk) 14:10, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

Re:1861 Historical Failing flags
Now you can see them in the page Flags (1861: Historical Failing). --TheMaster001 (talk) 12:41, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Hey Von, shouldn't we annex the western pert of Sind to border the Timurids? Saamwiil, the Humble 23:57, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Australian Universities
I'm currently sitting for the university entrance exams and am applying for Australian National University in Canberra and the University of New South Wales. If you come to Sydney for the exchange program let me know! Scandinator (talk) 16:55, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

Um... University of Sydney deals with more theory while the University of New South Wales deals more with practical applications. Both are almost equal in all faculties though I would recommend UNSW since it already has a name for itself internationally and it is only 40 years old (youngest university on the Top 100 list... also modern campus :D). Hong Kong isn't really a place you really want to stay in too long. The geopolitical situation in China and its territories is really tense and there is no sign of tensions decreasing. Singapore would be quite fun though but their standards are tough and their laws tougher (NO CHEWING GUM). I get the feeling I may be having this conversation again in 2-3 years time with Kogasa... (yes I am probably going to do an exchange trip to Nippon or mainland Europe). Scandinator (talk) 23:37, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

Man that would suck... Visiting Japan is currently number one on my bucket list. Finland is also quite epic... I'm just imagining kayaking across one of Finland's 1000+ lakes. But yea, as a comparsion between Sydney and New South Wales, Sydney give their law student their first moot session (fake trial) in 3rd year, UNSW in the first week... At UNSW everything is geared towards real world applications. Scandinator (talk) 03:44, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

Combining
The precedent from the last game is to combine the percentages. It's the loss of 33.33% of the territory which destabilizes the national government. LurkerLordB (Talk) 02:21, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

I probably will! :P Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:48, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, I was wondering if you wanted to play my map game: Tribes. And if so, would you like to be a moderator? I'm still deciding on the rules exactly. Saamwiil, the Humble 08:18, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I don't want to over extend. And I think we should fight a war at a time. (Timurids) And those wars should be as quick as possible, not to leave the Caliphate vulnerable to the hungry Christians. Saamwiil, the Humble 18:10, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

I shouldnt be Caliph, Von, fix the cycle without me as Caliph, I usualy f* it up and I dont crrently have the time for it. (DeanSims: Talk) 11:34, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

scratch that, ill take control of the Caliph. Ive ordered a military buildup and created the Muslim Council. (DeanSims: Talk) 11:46, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Why is Russia even in the war. I don't think it would be plausible for them to do much considering they just got their coast. Saamwiil, the Humble 22:30, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. I have Circassia on the land front, and Candar on the sea. In case they try using a small navy to transport troops more to the centre. Saamwiil, the Humble 14:19, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

I dunno. We already have 6 leaders. We should let the Caliphate grow, I think. Saamwiil, the Humble 14:41, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

You can add them to the algorithm if you wish. There isn't any chance that East Qoyunlu could get involved, is there? Saamwiil, the Humble 14:52, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

For Russia. We could easily sail the army up the Caspian into Russia. If East Qoyunlu can't help, how can Novogrod? Just by chance. Saamwiil, the Humble 14:57, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Will do. I also dislike looking in history for military developement. Saamwiil, the Humble 15:13, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I made a start at doing that, but I got lazy... I'll lokk at it when I got the time. (soon) Saamwiil, the Humble 19:47, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

If Novogrod isn't off by when I check tomorrow, I think I'll be very tempted to add Iraq, East Qoyunlu, and Dulkadir. That's +84. Each having an equal claim to being a leader as Novogrod (or Aragon for that matter....) Saamwiil, the Humble 04:01, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

re: Trading
Done. Sorry I didn't respond. Kind of pressed for time lately. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 16:41, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Hey Von. I would like to propose a land deal between Hindustan and Deccan Capilate province. In return, we will help you in your wars against your enemies (unless they are my allies as well - then we would be neutral) and we will give you money. You can add on something if you wish. Do you agree to the deal? I would like the land to connect my areas better. :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:37, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Fine, I'll wait till then. But I will still be moving over territories (not yours) to become the dominant power on the sub-continent. No strings attached trade deal it is! Plus, I might tak out Bengal, although thats probably not going to happen unless you agree to aid me. :/ Imp (Say Hi?!) 14:52, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Damn you! :P Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:33, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Thuringia?
I do not know if you were responsible for Thuringia breaking away, but I must respectfully disagree with the notion. Here is why.

1. I thought that was the size of your vassals seperately. And that isn't entirely fair. I was beginning to merge Baden-Wurttemberg into Bavaria so I could have Thuringia as my only vassal.(Check me and Lurk's pages also check several last posts)

If you doubt my validity then please, by all means, check Lurk's talk page. I realised after our little debate on the tlak page that i will have to do somthing about Bavaria's position.

2. On an unrelated note, what do you think about the Reformation happening in Bavaria. We have been dragged into almost every Catholic war, we are taxed HEAVILY by the Church, we have a large amount of Orthodox immigrants from the East. I have had the nobles grow discontent in all Bavaria's holdings. Also would you know how to go about establishing myself as sort of the OTL Swiss, (The banking and money powerhouse of Europe, yet remains out of ANY wars and conflicts.) I am very sick of war at this piont.

Cheers, Andr3w777 (talk) 21:49, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Map Game Wiki
I've been thinking about this idea for a long time.

Basically, it would have four advantages:

A) Map Games would not be restricted to althistory.

B) The reputation of this wiki wouldn't be so downgraded by them a-holes on AH.com.

C) It would have the effect of less clutter on this wiki.

D) It could have rules specifically designed for Map Games, including rules about defunct ones, etc.

What do you think?

The Royal Guns (talk) 19:53, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Hehe, in fact a version of the alleviation for mods was part of the reason I initially started thinking about this. In addition, it would help to add some legislation about map games, helping with clutter and the like.

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">No worries on the last point, lol.

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">Well, the reson I'm sending out messages to eeveryone is so that I won't HAVE to run it by myself.

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">Actually, only 5-6 users seriously ONLY edit map games. It won't detract much, as a result. I, for instance, have a TL of my own and edit 83DD a lot, so I'll still be on this.

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">The Royal Guns (talk) 23:20, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

PM II India
Hello, Von! One question: you'd be willing to help in a possible war against the great Hindu state located in India, so we could put the Indian subcontinent under the leadership of the Muslims, and the caliphate would gain more territories, and Bengal would also extend their territories and consolidated as a power in India. Me and my vassal states support the Caliphate in its expansion into OTL Pakistan, Afghanistan and northern India, and you support me to take the rest of the continent, plus this way We relieve some of the stress of the war against the HRE you are having now, putting one more victory in his strength, and then I send help in their war with the Timurids. This way everyone wins, and eliminate a competitor. What do you say, friend Von? Tipakay (talk) 19:25, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

I like the idea of being part of the Caliphate, but for now I would like to enjoy some of my independence, and and you can be sure that I will support the Caliphate as I possibly can, on the other hand, you could give me help when the war with the HRE ends, I do not think you are launched immediately into another big war, suddenly some minor conflict like this, and I think I could also get help from Tibet, to make a strong coalition and end the problem once and for all, for he not allowing me expasion into an area that would provide me borders with the Caliphate. Then I hope to have your help. Tipakay (talk) 23:09, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

The Papals and Cyprus should be taken off since our vassals can't become leaders... Saamwiil, the Humble 02:23, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

The second I posted that I knew it was a mistake... Thanks for the edit conflict... Anyways I'm here to propose a status quo ante bellum with a printing press thrown in. The Turkish exclaves that Venice owns may look connected to the mainland but they are not. Search up Lesbos, Chios and the Dodecanese. They are all very close to the Turkish mainland. I believe however that the Papal exclaves would have collapsed in the conflict but Byzantium will not expand out of this war. Scandinator (talk) 13:37, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Can you make an algoritm, for you, me an tibet?, i am sure we can win. And also, we can se what part can divide Tipakay (talk) 14:39, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Ok i will post the war today, but can you tell me if deccan, gujarat or koli are leaders, or jus put (M), also his military development, and i will put -2 for the war of sind ok? Tipakay (talk) 17:41, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

I win, but it will be more larger is you help me!, i get 36% but if you help will be like 45! And also the war with the HRE is over, you win, congrats, Xd just say yes and be a leader, we will rule India Tipakay (talk) 19:13, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Error, is just 15%... u must be a leader Tipakay (talk) 19:35, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Hey von is you helpme like a leader with the indian provinces i promise you that i will become a part of the Caliphate, helpme please Tipakay (talk) 14:27, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

An algorithm is a calculation. The peace treaty is a whole different matter. I agreed with DeanSims to status quo ante bellum. This is difinately not what we agreed to. Scandinator (talk) 02:50, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Arabian Failure Mapgame
i don't know if you are interest but would you like to join this map game i've made Arabian Failure (Map Game) Sine dei gloriem (talk) 04:05, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

I was wondering if you could take over my nations for a little. I'll be on the wiki occassionally, but I don't think I'll have the time to post. Saamwiil, the Humble 00:23, October 27, 2012 (UTC)

Didn't notice those previous objections, my internet was out during the Hurricane.

I have posted my objections on the page.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 00:44, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, wan against hindustan is on!!! Tipakay (talk) 21:31, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

No, the Mahdiate shouldn't become in atleast 80 years. (I want 2 of the Sultans to have long lives). So that's some months away. Also, for things to do. We still need to conquer Morocco, Algeria, Mongolian territory, and Indian territory. The Caliphate should jump on those! Saamwiil, the Humble 21:39, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I've compromised my plan to fit just in the middle of both thoughts. It also has a better ATL flow, but I assume you will tell me what you think. Saamwiil, the Humble 15:10, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Ethiopia
Oh, ok, thanks then. Wan't really looking forward to another war.

By the way, our Nonagression pact expires in 1525, unless you want to renew it...? The Royal Guns (talk) 15:13, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

Well... yeah... the general thing about NA pacts is that they expire after 20 years or so. After all, you can't really have a permanent pact, that wouldn't be fair.

Well... I'll talk to Lx, but with the wars the Caliphate is going through, I'd prefer to wait until afterwards (anyway Russia is attacking Central Europe) The Royal Guns (talk) 23:01, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

I never knew the pact was official. Oh, well. Saamwiil, the Humble 00:32, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

is there a place we can talk disreetly? I have a few questions of some importAndr3w777 (talk) 16:37, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, we have to wait to see if he will be part of our team, i hpe he does Tipakay (talk) 17:14, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Bengal-Hindustan war
I'll send military aid, like I said on Tipakay's talk page. 77topaz (talk) 23:37, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

I'm Tibet, and my vassals are Kashmir, Nepal, Bhutan, the Shan Sultanate, Ava and maybe Lanna (not sure if that got vassalized yet). 77topaz (talk) 23:49, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

What exactly is a trading pact? 77topaz (talk) 23:56, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I'll enter a trade pact. Has the result of the war been calculated yet? 77topaz (talk) 00:12, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

I know we are not allies, but if you want to take on the HRE nows your chance, the Empire has declared war on me over Kappelist doctrine. I ask you to use this to your advantage and wipe out the currupt and intolerable HRE!Andr3w777 (talk) 17:00, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

So, if there's a war in Bavaria, we're supporting Bavaria, no?? Saamwiil, the Humble 23:42, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

On the account that if Kappelism arises, the Christian world would be more divided, which is a muslim advantage. And I agree with that fighting plan. The Italian states and Greece.? Saamwiil, the Humble 23:59, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Only for the weekends. I'll be posting full on December 13.? Saamwiil, the Humble 22:10, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

Guns has told me that he will aid Bavaria, however if we intervene he will attack us. Will we continue our plans with Greece?? Saamwiil, the Humble 18:12, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, it's AP. I just wanted to put this on your page so you'd see this before posting mod events. My colonies checked out, i know it's weird that there is three but here's what happened...

Guys, my colonies checked out with Lurk. I established a colony with Sweden first, then the others were founded under another country. Sweden could have colonies earlier, but he said Scandinavia could not do so until 1509(which is when the first colony was established). I just wanted to clear that up.AP (talk) 19:40, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it was here. What happened was that he crossed out a Scandinavian colony establishment, saying it wasn't my year yet. Although I had a colony as Sweden, Scandinavia could not colonize until 1509; I did the algorithm and Lurk approved. Sorry for the confusion, Von I know that my situation is a bit complicated.

On an unrelated note:? I hate to point these kinda things out but Savoy has a colony in San Fran all while Japan has on there. Some other country has one in the Philippines(a European country).

Another unrelated note: (I'm assuming you're Caliph?) Scandinavia is having good relations with Syria, we'd like a trade pact.

Thanks, AP (talk) 22:32, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll look into it. I don't know why those illegal colonies are not on the map, but the Germans founded a colony in the Philippines named "Orientalia."? And yes, please do look into Savoy-Naples and Burgundy, they can really stretch out their capabilities. If you want to see what Burgundy's player does when implausibility is unchecked, look at this map game.? Spain literally took over the Balkans, Italy, 80% of North America, and almost all colonies belonging to European countries other than themselves. Somebody had to say this.AP (talk) 00:56, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

For the hell of it, Orientalia was never a colony, just an outpost. All the criminals and Kappelists went there. Then the natives killed everyone. So now, Brandenburg has only one colony. Neu Berlin. New York, really. Been expanding by 1000 sq km for years now. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 01:07, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

To help perhaps bring down Korea in the future, it was located on the southern tip of the southern large island of the Phillippines. The natives killed everyone and looted the small village, so yes, they have some modern technology, and they could hypothetically set up a small chiefdom or kingdom. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 02:21, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, do it, i was off very long time, but is ok Tipakay (talk) 04:29, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Heres a map of post division Caliphate, I will continue the Caliphate. Pink is Von, Dark Green is me. --(DeanSims: Talk) 12:51, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

A word to you PM2 spies, I don't endorse this map and the break up of the Caliphate will not be that simple. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 16:17, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, how did the war go? Did we win? I hope to resume activity again in the next week or so. 77topaz (talk) 22:53, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Is there a map of the division of Hindustan? 77topaz (talk) 01:03, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

I've posted a turn, including the trade pact-request. 77topaz (talk) 01:59, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

We are going to have simulated wars. We control both sides, lets just have some simulated battles and then have the Treaty of Mecca dividing the Caliphate upon those borders. Also, why do we have to collapse, we could weaken the Caliph and reorganize the Caliphate into the Confederation of Islam. Each province is controlled by its current players, but this gives them more power and will have the Caliphate continue on in a sense. (DeanSims: Talk) 12:20, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

I will continue the my territoires as the Caliphate, but Id like to have a few more provinces to control as I only have four and you and the other two have several more each. I would like Israel and some land connecting it to ,y other provinces. Basicaly Id like more provinces because Im going to continue the Caliphsate. (DeanSims: Talk) 13:44, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

o, ok. 216.157.209.62 14:44, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

Do you know how to make a template? Saamwiil, the Humble 17:05, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

We were trying to make a page for the War for Islam as three sided, but we can make do and put the usurper Caliph's on one side. Saamwiil, the Humble 22:58, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

It's a possible Casus Belli towars Russia, so I was planning on gathering Caliphate troops near the Russian border if they don't attack. If the Russians do take care of it, we can still atack because of the Mahdi. Saamwiil, the Humble 18:45, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

Which a better idea came to moi. We take out the Central Asian Countries and we'll be on the Russian's end, so we'll make our entry through Europe. After he defeats the Russians and the Khanates he feels superior and becomes Mahdi. We would still get 1.5* bonus because of getting rid of the regents. Saamwiil, the Humble 19:01, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

You don't need to post for me anymore. Finals are done. Saamwiil, the Humble 18:11, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

1565 PMII MAP
genoa ceded me control of its colonies and in 1560, exactly 50 years after my two colonies were founded, i found another two colonies, could you add them or if not could i add them please, Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:16, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

Radioactive Tide Reloaded!
You're invited to the post-apocalyptic map game, Radioactive Tide Reloaded! It has begun. Bfoxius (talk)

1570 PMII MAP
Von could you add my expansion on the map, the last ten years have ignored any of my expansion, for the last three maps i've remained the same while expanding more than the usual so could you add them, and Give the Genoan Cuban Hispaniolan and African colonies, he sold them to me also

"colonies expand neu antwerp 750 sq km venizela 500 sq km Antilia expands 750 sq km, Argentium 500 sq km Brasilea 750 sq km Nouvelle Dijon expands 250 sq km and Nouveau Charlesopolis 250 sq km, the Anarcadier expands 250 sq km."

this is my expansion rate for the last 10 years could you make the math and add it in the map, and ad my argentinian and Northamerican colony between the venetians and Scandinavians Sine dei gloriem (talk) 03:23, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

PMII ME- You Negotiation
Hey, Mr. de la  Mahdi, I have a secret deal for you. The HRE will stay out of your way when you invade Italy (Naples) and the Iberian Peninsula, as long as YOU stay out of the HRE and associated territories/dynastic union. (So no Aragon, Scandinavia, or Hungary.) Deal? (Oh, and we don't attack you.) Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 03:38, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

I am the Emperor as I control Luxembourg, the home state of the Emperor.

Meanwhile, I shall hold your offer in consideration.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:05, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

When? This turn or the next? 'Cause now you're on the verge of implausibility. Russia was on your border, fine. The HRE is far too far (far too far, lol) for the Mahdi to bring even the follower who believe in him. The minute issues the declaration, they'll rebel. And when's Jesus coming? He's supposed appear seven years into the Mahdi's reign, and this is supposed to be followed by the Mahdi's death and Jesus leading everyone to victory over the dajal and the end of the world. And you missed one important sign. The earthquakes. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:25, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I've read everything, from PMI all the way to now. Also Jesus is supposed to appear in Syria or Iraq, but he can always pop up in Morocco and cross the border to Spain or from Syria to Italy.

Anyways, I made up my mind. You can try the HRE, but I'm not sure how well it will work, what with Portugal, France, Scandinavia, and the English states on our side, but you'll probably by not enough to take all our land. If you do get a lot, shoot for Bohemia. You just get all the territory that borders the heartland of our empire. Also you should set up your Balkan, Greek, and Russian territories as the primary belligerents in the war, as locations like Persia or India would be very far to get anything there in time. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:57, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Vive la Ottoman! The Ottoman Empire has broken off of the Mahidate, and is free again as its own nation. We want to stay independant peacefully, and will sign an alliance, but the Empire is not rejoining your nation. (DeanSims: Talk) 00:53, January 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * Lol Dean-style implauying. [[Image:IMPERIAL NY-SPQR 1.png|25px]][[Image:Regen Flag.png|30px|border]] Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:57, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Nope. Im not waiting, Im not getting screwed out of more land! The ottomans are staying independant, thats that. (DeanSims: Talk) 01:05, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

I thought no true nations would rise, while you get Russia and India and Arabia, I get ziltch. The mods are going to destroy any semi-strong nation, and there will be dozens of new nations, im sick of getting screwed in Principia Moderni. In the first one I get conquered, now I get obliviated and tirned into a micrstate. (DeanSims: Talk) 01:19, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

O, ok, can we make a map of the divisuon please? Also, sorry bout making independance so fast, can u remove my game post. Im on mybphone and its kibda difficult. (DeanSims: Talk) 01:40, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Alright thanks a bunch Von. I realy apreciate it. Also, if I dont post on PM2 could you post for me? Ill try to but somwtimes I cant get on wifi. (DeanSims: Talk) 01:54, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you again Von, if you ever need help on something, just ask. (DeanSims: Talk) 02:08, January 4, 2013 (UTC)™

Hey, Von! One or two questions here about the Calipahte's actions!

So, when the caliphate collapses, you'll end up as a bunch of microstates, then those unite into a few larger states (after the crusades and retribution attacks are over, presumably), right?

Secondly, your invasion of the HRE is supposed to basically split them up, right?

So basically, Europe and Asia is first getting shattered into a bunch of microstates... then being untied under several strong states?

Lastly, I think that after the breakup and reunification, a link to South west Asia might be helpful- fancy an alliance? The Royal Guns (talk) 01:06, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

i did, i used the map mounted on the current map area, and calculated and added my ten year expansion Sine dei gloriem (talk) 02:26, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Will do. And Cilesia maybe? Saamwiil, the Humble 04:20, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to cut out a small exclave of Morocco to give to Gibraltar. I want it to become a powerful nation, with a gigantic navy. Saamwiil, the Humble 02:56, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Not quite succesor but as a strong naval power, like a Muslim Venice. Saamwiil, the Humble 10:17, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining--or trying to explain-- the situation to Guns. Futhermore all of their alliances and the like were anulled when the Mahdi came to power. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:18, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

WHAT PROVINCES ARE MINE?? i need to knwo which ones are mine please. (DeanSims: Talk) 12:36, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Sicily, et. al
Oh, were you the player for Sicily? :S I had no clue haha. But yes, I suppose that would make more sense than doing it all in one post. Thanks. ChrisL123 (talk) 21:33, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Ok awesome, im still wallachia right? Also, I have no idea.where some of my countries are. May I also control Judea/palestine and the remaining balkan states? thanks a lot von, I apreciate it. Would you like to join my map game "after the storm, you can be a,mod (DeanSims: Talk) 03:54, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

Saamwill
We need to do something about Saamwill. You understand that his actions break the rules. I propose that we levy a punitive mod event against him next turn. What do you say? --Yank 03:10, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

what do i do about these people telling me to stop posting as my countries? (DeanSims: Talk) 21:38, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

thats not fair in the least bit, I joined the Caliphate for what then, and im controlling them fuly independant of each other with detailed posts. (DeanSims: Talk) 23:01, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

how come whenver i ask you something the answer is right? I see your pint though.

Ternate
Von, I don't see anything about Ternate gaining New Alexandria and I had posted  that it had sworen allegiance to Sim'an of Syria. The Ternate invasion I don't see going on since N.Alexandria was -swamped- with soldiers. Could you please explain this to me? Fed (talk) 00:33, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, but there was a large amount of soldiers in the area.

Ugh, I'll have to make a new colony won't I? Screw spices, let's take strategic posts! :P Fed (talk) 01:50, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

I meant your advice is usualy helpful, even though I used to fight it a lot, sorry bout that by the way. But ok, ill bring the subject up tommorow in first hour when I can get on a computer, its easier that way and ive got a slight headaque, so yeah. gnite Von (DeanSims: Talk) 02:30, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Dean's nations
Sorry Von but there is a clause in the basic rules: " Each player will "call" a nation, one nation per player. Until decolonization". What Dean has is violating that and other players may ask to control more nations than their one. Scandinator (talk) 03:31, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Wait, so I can keep control of my nations or no? Im getting slightly confused. (DeanSims: Talk) 19:19, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Shame Campaign
Von, I am astounded that you would hit so low, digging though the past in an attempt to knock me out of the mod-in-chief position. Anyways the truths on the talk page, its the events that happened around the last few weeks of my participation in PMI. I was depressed and had suffered several nervous breakdowns (one of which lost me the full use of two of my fingers) and had just attempted suicide by drowning. So if you think that was the rational me then you're wrong. Anyways I honestly do not care who gets the mod-in-chief position so long as they will do a good job. Scandinator (talk) 01:28, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

I went to ask you this, as you are a mod, and i need an second opnion about this, as i've asked Lurker already but i don't think he'll answer:

As you might know Castille's player is inactive in all but name.he is still is up on the player list and has an color on the map.This is the first time that an situation like this happens.the last situation remotely like this (Great Mediterranean war) didn't had the player absent for so long.The question is whether i should treat Castille like a player nation, like he technically is, and he receives no bonus, or treat him as NPC, like he should have been declared by the time in which he spent absent, and he receives a bonus.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 06:50, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Well, Castille's colonies are too far, so i ain't going to take them except for the one in São Luís.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 06:46, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, and in case that i take more than 33,3%, i was thinking in vassalize Castille, after all, the rules say that "The size and population of vassal states not vassalized through war should not be more than half that of your main nation." Since Castille would be vassalized through war, this rule would, not apply, as i understand it.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 07:16, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Colonies
How can I find out how many pixels my colonies are on the map? CourageousLife (talk) 20:09, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Albania and Montenegro
I apologize for the mistake. I went back and looked at the wars and the maps and I must say that those exclave fell. However, I was told by Collie that they were still there and I was not actually here to see the war negotiations so imagine my surprize when I logged on on the 11th of January. XD Anyways I will remove them from the map and I apologize again for the misunderstanding. Scandinator (talk) 02:05, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Hey i had a question about PM. So you know I'm Scandinavia and all and I am expanding my influence in Europe. Since Scotland is in civil disarray I wanted to know if vassalizing them was ok since I still own the Orkneys which is (i think) less than 20 miles off the coast of the Highlands. I'm doing a UK-style thing like England conquers Ireland but this time its Scandinavia and Scotland(they'll have an independence war in the early 1900s like the Irish did and they'll leave my UK around that time.AP (talk) 02:15, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

I thought he wasn't around...AP (talk) 03:13, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

OK, von, no one willl add my two colonies to the map and theyve been there for at least a decade growing by 500 kmsquare each year, please add them to the map, there location is in the map issues part on the talk page, its Kameroon adn Madagascar. (DeanSims: Talk) 20:00, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

thank you very much itl be like 20 years of expansion by 500 km squared each then every turn (DeanSims: Talk) 21:48, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

is 200 pixels big? (DeanSims: Talk) 22:01, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

OKEY DOKE, hey how can i expand them faster? (DeanSims: Talk) 22:21, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

thank you so much for adding my colonies Von, I realy do aprecaite it. (Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It)

ps, how do you like my new signature, i added it cuz of when i used to blow up, thought it would be funny

Thanks, any way i can shorten it while keeping the same message? I could shorten DeanSims to DS. or Fear Sims Bomb, Fear It or Fear the Mutated DS Bomb, Fear It (Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It)

thanks dude, and i would like to have you as my Co Head Mod, as you keep my implausibilites balanced and I need the game to be great also i would like you to fill the remaining two mod seats and and apoint additional ones if you wish. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

That sounds fair, thanks so much dude abd good luck on your studies. Also I changed my sig to whst you suggested, its great tanks for making it DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

heres the link, thanks again Von. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

Hey can you fix the map for PM2, the Kingdom of Rome defeated the Ottoman rebels w while back and are reunified. thanks. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 13:52, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

We havnty declared war yet, and i plan to an algorithm very soon. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 18:47, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

About the Russia issue in PM: Can you do the mod event next turn? It's a penalty, but i don't think it should be harsh. Can you edit the map to change their Texas colony like we agreed upon on the mod page(reverse the blocking of Cypriot and Dutch colonies and expand it inland instead).? Thanks.AP (talk) 07:48, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

<p style="margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em;font-size:13px;">Two things:

<p style="font-size:13px;">1: I'm going on break. I need you to repost the same thing I wrote this year for me every year. Also, could you play the UK for me in AvARb? Until I get back, that is.

<p style="font-size:13px;">2: Attempt to explain to Viva's that I am in no way, shape, or form a PMII mod, and tell him that Collie is the one running the game. I am sick of his frequent all-the-time accusing me of bias, especially when I am in no position to even attempt being biased.

<p style="font-size:13px;">Merci.

<p style="font-size:13px;"> 00:17, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

PMII: Somali Sultanate
Hello, the Somali Sultanate (Cushtic) needs help with vassilizing the Swahali City States. We need the Swahali City States in order to have access to the sea and trade with the world. This is the first step to becoming a sustainable state by the year 1650. May you please help? Thank you in advance. This is UglyTurtle, Signing off. 22:56, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

PMII
So, I realize that the Mayans aren't the most plausible nation on Earth. I want to try and change that because I see that I'm rubbing the mods the wrong way. Do you have some suggestions for actions that you would consider plausible for me to do right now? CourageousLife (talk) 20:08, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

Hey. I just overthrew the government of Khandesh and it is in civil disarray. Would I be able to take the country now? Because my previous action wasn't allowed I think. :(  Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:33, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

you want me do another bloody war, fine, this one will probably last one year anyways, I only need about 8% to win. Next I will completely kill Sibir, then I will vassalize Tatar, then I shall lead a series of wars against Ukraine for food. Fine. Have it your way, I'm bloody tired of this. You proved that if you have power and you drag something on long enough, people will stop giving a damn about what should happen. I will be using the 25% you said I got...in any case, even if you did mean that I need 25% from each, you gave me less.-Lx (leave me a message) 18:15, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Von. I was wondering - would it be possible to marry my Raja to the Burmese Royal Family and get them into a personal union with my state? :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 14:43, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

What do you mean? Cause the current Raja came to the throne a year back. His mum was the Rani of Orissa, and she had married the Raja. So the Raja got control of the nation after the Rani retreated to the sidelines through epression (lots of wars and expansion and stuff took a toll on her).

Preferabley I would try and get him to marry into an Indian state. Do you have any in mind? Bear in mind Carnatic is being vassalised to that's not really in the question. He's the Ruler of the Union of Bihar and Orissa, and yeah.

I was wondering which areas you thought I had under my control which weren't economically viable? :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:15, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

Oh don't worry about that. I might have 85% of Orissa Hindu, but the remaining 10-15% are the most fanatical muslims. They are planning a rebellion as we speak. And knowing that the leaders of my nations are fanatical hindus, you know how that will end. Might take 5-6 years to crush them though. It'll all begin when Cebu begins to expand into the Muslim states. Orissan muslims will decide they have had enough and will stage a rebellion in Orissa itself. Their first targets will be to free muslims from the ghetto themselves, from where more will take up arms.

Now I have a divide between the hindus, yet when this rebellion happens, the two factions will have to come together. This will be last trouble muslims will cause in Orissa, and you might want to expect large amounts of muslims coming into your nation (around 1-2% of my total population - tons of people). That will benefit you as it will help repopulate numbers after your civil war. It will help me as these could be the last free muslims in Orissa. Would I be able to get an "emergency colony" as a result? I.e tons of the muslims head off and set up a colony on some island of their (my) choosing? So techically they would be a colony, but they would most probably act as a vassal at best.

BTW, would you be able to do the pixel count thing for me please (on the territories page). :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 14:27, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

Well, AP did state he would allow my converters in Bengal, and they have been converting before Bengal was a puppet of Scandinavia, however many years that is. So a significant no is now hindu (muslims are still the majority though). Although I would like to ask, do you think the puppetisation of Indian kingdoms 100 years before the Brits is legit? Cause the European powers of the time only had colonies the sizes of Collie's and Scraw's enclave in Mysore...

Ah, well the next time I'll be able to establish colonies would be in 1666. Would I be able to colonise Australia (imma pull a "Nippon" there, if you catch the drift from PM ;) at around 1670? And thank you for filling in my nation thingys. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:46, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I was planning the east coast, cause thats the only farmable land. Well, Hattanwaddy did it in PMI, didn't they? Most of my expansion is only going to be on the coast, that's no problem. And if my country becomes rich enough, I might begin the greenification projects currently going on in Australia like a 100 years early.

And how was easter btw? Did you get easter holidays as well? :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:37, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

No problem. The huge 2000km will colonise Australia pretty quick ;)

I only went mental with New Zealand cause the natives attacked me. If they hadn't, I would be expanding at 500km per year (not a lot). Well, we've got the easter holidays for two weeks (this and next) and yeah, I've been lazin it as well. Secondary is stressful! And I know that essay feel. You just can't be fu**ed, lol.

I'm gonna have exams in like November, so that's no icing on the cake. Oh well. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:22, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

"Much more work to come in your education", lol. Yeah, I guess. The ones in November are just the pre-lims, the real thing is next year in like Feb or May (I don't know that yet :L). Oh man!! I don't know if I'll still be able to edit like next year.

On a different note. Countries can expand into other countries, right? Cause you were allowed it in PMI, albeit half the 10000km. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:30, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, ok. :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:34, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Von, I need a small favour. Would you be able to do a pixel count of Carnatic and Mysore please? I am trying to prove to Scraw that he cnnot take i over without a war and he doesn't believe me. Thanks. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:27, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

Well basically he kept on saying that he expanded influence and then Mysore pressured Carnatic to join with Mysore (keep in mind he never mentioned the name Carnatic until after I started vassalising it). Now Collie didn't add this to the map, so I thought Carnatic was still free. I vassalised is properly, because it is relatively small to Orissa. He didn't go to war with it or anything, jst said it was his. Could you please back me up on this? :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:08, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

new map games
i need experienced players for 2 map games im trying to start in the hopes of saving map games from implusibility that the new players are bringing to the site. id like you be a mod as well if yyou decide to join. Nkbeeching

kk its fine i work in a tourist agency so i have alot of free time XD

Night of the Living Alternate History
I invite you to participate in the Night of the Living Alternate History. There are many nations still available, and we should be starting soon. Mscoree (talk) 17:19, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Yemeni Invasion (PMII)
Von. Give me the helps. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 00:44, April 7, 2013 (UTC)



Of course. But Imp does want an enclave on the side of the Rea Sea, so if you could accomedate him, I'd appreciate it. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 15:02, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

Its not much Von. Here's the map. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:24, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, well I'm not sure if I could find the first part of the argument. :/  Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:02, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

I know I am going into a lot of wars. But its all going to stop soon. I just want to take advantage of my 1.5. Eventually, my people will stop supporting the wars (when the 1.5 stops in 1679), then my Raja will die and my government will change. A crisis will happen, and then the nation will enter an era of peace as it rebuilds its strengths. :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:55, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, it will. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 14:44, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Von! I was just wondering if you were going to add all the changes to the 1670 map today or put it straight on to the 1675 map with the 1670-1674 expansion too? :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:50, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, k. As long as Collie can edit the maps again, it'll be fine. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:56, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

hey the Roman colony of Madagascar has been expanding for 2,000 square kilometers for the past 37 years, and i dont think the map is accuratly showing that, could you please change the map as to include the expansion? DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 17:47, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Von, I apreciate it. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 17:57, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Expaning borders on a map is SO hard! I now understand Collie's (and your) pain. Oh, jst checking, but I can still invade 2 small states next to Bengal as long as they are before 1679, yeah? :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:40, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

I got ya. BTW, all the stuff going on in your nation, its not going to drag me into some sort of war or something, yeah? :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:43, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

The extemist sects (even though you crushed them). But yeh, as long as there is no war, I'm completely fine. And what do you mean by a stronger presence in India (if I may ask)?. :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:12, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, ok then. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:05, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

Koori Union Map PMII
Btw i have changed the borders of the Koori Union on the map to reflect the same borders as the ones on the tribal map. Thanks for updating the rest of the map though. Hailstormer (talk) 19:37, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Why have you changed it so that the tribes i accepted into my state are no longer part of the Koori Union on the map? The borders i had on the tribal map and my version of the map were accurate and no-one has claimed i have posted anything implausible so the borders on my map should be the ones used. So could you change it back please? Hailstormer (talk) 20:11, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry i think i messed up the explaination of what i meant. I now know i can't have two nations so i have removed everything to do with that in my post. I have also removed the part refering to creating the second section of the Koori Union as i agree that it would be implausible to have a nation split by such a large distance. The map change i am refering to is when my map was replaced with your map after i changed it. The map that i am refering to is the one below. This map reflects the tribes that entered the Koor Union when it was officially made a nation, whilst also not having any part of the extra claimed land added. Hailstormer (talk) 16:29, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah that is what i have started doing so don't worry about it. Just a quick question, the islands in the Bass Strait, not Tasmania the other two, can be colonised as part of my main nation right? As they are only in a strait rather than across an ocean? Hailstormer (talk) 16:51, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

One last question, how would i go about forming a Koori enclave on the continent? I want to secure the sacred site of Uluru for the Koori Union and due to its position it would be an enclave. Would this be classified as a colony? Hailstormer (talk) 17:22, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Ok i will do that. Thanks for the help. Hailstormer (talk) 17:45, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Hey buddy i was hoping you could help me with the algorithim against the Pitjantjatjara tribe? Since it is my first algorithim i was hoping someone could help me do it. Also instead of turning them into a vassal could i turn them into a member tribe of the Koori Union and keep them as an enclave? I read through the rules and it says that i can choose to do what i want with the tribe as long as it is plausible, and i think that turning them into a member tribe is plausible. Hailstormer (talk) 20:16, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

I have done the algorithim now so feel free to have a look. Hailstormer (talk) 20:16, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

on
Hey Von, do you want an allaince in PMII? Im the Kingdom of Rome DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 12:05, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. I can try and get Persia to give you Mecca. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 12:19, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

Koori Union Dispute
Could you please have a look at my post in 1978 as the Koori Union. Someone is trying to dispute my rate of expansion when i have only stuck to the 10000km you told me and crossed out my post. Hailstormer (talk) 16:33, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

I haven't take over the whole of eastern Australia. Also my expansion didn't take over the course of a year. Over the course of five years i colonised a very small trail along the coast. Have a look at the Koori Union page for the map:  http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Koori_Union_(Principia_Moderni_II_Map_Game)

Hailstormer (talk) 18:18, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

So now that i have explained this can someone look again at my defence please? Hailstormer (talk) 21:49, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

I hae put up my defence and the map of the expansion on the talk page. Feel free to read it when ready. Hailstormer (talk) 22:11, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

can Rome buy some lands from the Caliphate

DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 20:51, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

whichever lands you can will sell to me. Ill pay top dollar and allow Arabian troops access for 100 years. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 17:23, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

PMII Map maker request
i don't know if you and the rest of the mod team are looking for a new map maker or mod at all. but seeing that ap is gone,and that there has been some problems with the maps until now i'm wondering if you would need another map maker in case neither you or Collie are able to post the next map or anything. if you are currently not considering to add a new member to help in the map making of the turns to come. i at least here by show my interest if in the future you may need any help with the maps Sine dei gloriem (talk) 21:29, April 28, 2013 (UTC) also, excuse my grammar

sure go ahead. if you do make it into a game though again i would apreciate it if i could be an honory mod, no real powers but can suggest stuff to you and the other mods. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 16:06, April 29, 2013 (UTC)

oh ok then go ahead then dude DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 18:59, April 29, 2013 (UTC)

I have threatened the Persians that if they step into Sindustan, diplomatically or otherwise, I will be defending Sindustan and invading them. You in for some land "which the Capliah regrets selling?" :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:58, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

Koori Union (PMII)
Hello once again. As you may who may not have seen i purchased a number of islands from Japan not long ago. I am hoping to expand upon this. As a result would you be willing to let me buy your island colonies north of Australia. It would be greatly appreciated and down the line it won't be forgotten. Hope to hear from you soon. Hailstormer (talk) 00:15, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

PM2
Go right ahead (although I'd prefer if you could rather just vassalise the whole thing and colonies), since I kinda gave up on PM2 after a few changes. Good luck! :D Fed (talk) 03:26, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

Yes war with Persia. All 3 of us could do some damage and get some good land. Can u do a mod event killing the Queen of Azerbejian? DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 11:15, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

Rome
Total: +70
 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: +8 (Attacker, High Ground, Larger Colonieal Empire)
 * Strength: Rome (L+4), Hungary (M+3), Wallachia (MV+2) Italia (M+3) Greece (MV+2), Aymará (MV+2), Malacca (MV+2), Siam (MV+2), Bulgaria (MV+2), Yugoslavia (MV+2), Dimurats (M+3), Azerbejian (MV+2), Crete (M+3), Cyprus (MV+2), Novrogod (M+3), Minsk (MV+2),  Suur-Suomi  (MV+2) , Saami  (MV+2)  , Astrakhan State  (MV+2)  , Riga Tartar  (MV+2), Arabian Federation (M+3), Arab Caliphate (MV+2), Netherlands (M+3) = +57/10= 5.7, so +6
 * Military Development:30/3= +10
 * Economy: 30/3= +10
 * Infrastructure: +15
 * Expansion: -3
 * Motive: +7 (Religous, Persia is non christian and its people need salvation)
 * Chance: +5
 * UTC Time: 1*4*2*9= 72=y
 * Edit count= 6,203=x
 * 6203/72*pi=270.6569337530206591
 * Chance= +5
 * Nation Age:
 * Population: 23,000,000, so +8
 * Participation: 10
 * Recent Wars: -3

Persia
Total: +48
 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: 0
 * Strength: Persia (L+4), Armenia (MV+2), Mesopatamia (MV+2), Arabia (MV+2) = +10/0= +0
 * Military Development: 3/0=0
 * Economy: 3/0=0
 * Infrastructure: +13
 * Expansion: -1
 * Motive: +10
 * Chance: +6
 * Nation Age: +0
 * Population: 23,000,000 so +8
 * Participation: 10
 * Recent Wars: -3

Result
((70/(48+70))*2)-1= 0.1864406779661017

(0.1864406779661017)*(1-1/(2x7))= 0.1731234866828087214,

So after a 7 year war Rome can annex 17% of Persian lands.

Rome and its allies have won, Arabia im going to make him give up control of Armenia and some lands along his coastline to that your to footholds there are connected. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 19:52, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

Land Deal
Hello once again. As you may who may not have seen i purchased a number of islands from Japan not long ago. I am hoping to expand upon this. As a result would you be willing to let me buy your island colonies north of Australia. It would be greatly appreciated and down the line it won't be forgotten. Hope to hear from you soon. Hailstormer (talk) 14:10, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

add the dimurats, they decalred war last year then i asked him to change his post and he did cuz i thought military support was better, guess i do coaltion wars wrong DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 16:06, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

we need to talk in private about PM2, please join me in chat. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 16:25, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

Can you join chat please. Hailstormer (talk) 01:16, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

In that case can you please draw up the algorithm for what Dean discussed with you. If you are online then I will be on chat if you need help. Hailstormer (talk) 17:12, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

NotLAH: Austria
As you requested I signed you up for Austria. To fill you in on Austria's situation, after the apocalypse the Austrian government was severally weakened. The Nationalist party, a group dedicated to reestablishing Austria rose up and started a civil war. The Habsburgs, led by Karl von Habsburg, decided to seize the situation by declaring his house the rulers of the nation. The Habsbugs aligned with the Nationalists and were able to eventually take over the nation. The last democratic strongholds in the Alps eventually fell and the Austrian government fled into Lichtenstein. The country of Lichtenstein has since become one of Austria's main enemies, filled with thousands of Austrian refugees and rebels.

Also as I promised, here is your first turn already typed for you:

Austria: Following successful consolidation of Austrian core territory, a vast industrial renewal program begins. Work begins on an upgraded Bundesstraßen (Austrian autobahn) system from Vienna to the Austrian Alps, which will be used to transport supplies and building materials across the nation. The Nationalist forces who followed the Habsburgs in their war to reclaim their homeland are heavily rewarded, and the army is expanded, encouraged by propaganda and national ideals. Fighting to protect the Österreich becomes a sense of national pride, and is well respected. Other national parties such as the Progressive and Liberal parties gain some footing, but still remain a minority to overly popular and emperor-backed nationalist regime. The first council meeting of the Grand Council and the members of the Holy Roman Empire concludes, voting unanimously to sign a non-aggression pact with all members. All German survivor states are eventually added to the council through principalities and duchies, drawn by the Grand Council according to historic borders. Relations with Liechtenstein continue to decline, with much of their government influenced by the heavily popular anti-Habsburg and pro-democratic Austrian resistance. Strategists begin looking into possible plans to invade the nation and pacify its borders for good. We ask Bohemia to join the Holy Roman Empire.

Welcome to the game, and good luck! Mscoree (talk) 01:24, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Just so you know, Scandinavia is attempting to annex Germany, and the north German city states ask for your help. If you play your cards right, Germany can be united. Mscoree (talk) 03:54, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

Muslim Bloc
Sure.Yay an Edit conflict (talk) 21:09, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Join the defensive only allaince League of Nations, as its anti imperialism allaince basically so that we can put up a fight against future agression by enemy nations. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 22:34, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

UKAP-Arabian Divisioin of Levant
Ok i talked to Fed and he said it was fine if we split the Levant, heres the chat log:

ff
 * DeanSims what do you want so Rome can have the Levant as its vassal?
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">7:51 Fedelede Dean, I already promised the Arabian Federation the same thing before
 * You're welcome to try and I'm not really too sure about going back anywayss
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">7:52 DeanSims if i can convince Von to take Egypt and land connecting it to Arabia would that be ok if i took the rest
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">7:52 Fedelede Sure

Ok, so will you agree to split thew Levant with me? Youd geta ll og Egypt, the Sinai, and Jordan, and id get Israel and everything else. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 23:58, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

You may post as the Levant as long as you keep it intact. Scandinator (talk) 01:26, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Von, im the Lakota in PM2 and ive made contact with the Germans, can you uncross my post pleae, as someone else crossed a majority of it out. Thanks, DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 13:43, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Persia
Sure! Yay an Edit conflict (talk) 23:07, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Hi, need help in persia? Quashi (talk) 02:48, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Showme in a map how can we split the land Quashi (talk) 16:46, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Sure, just shoot a request in the game! CrimsonAssassin- "You can't handle this egg roll" 03:52, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

Prussian War (PMII)
I'm fairly intent on conquering and annexing Prussia. I want to be absolutely certain that I'll be able to conquer them con you help me with that? Yank 17:59, May 25, 2013 (UTC)

What I really meant was how much longer would I need to expand my military to get enough territory to conquer them? I'm really keen of the idea of Konigsburg being given a Lithuanian name. Yank 18:26, May 25, 2013 (UTC)

PMII Questions
I've been off the wiki for sometime, any changes to PM i should be wary of, and what nation are you, im going to see if i can strick an alliance.Andr3w777 (talk) 00:28, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Are you going to turn PMII into a timeline when it ends? Local (talk)

OK, it just looked entertaining Local (talk)

I might join, what nation would you recommend? I don't want to be to big, as I will probably not post every turn, but I don't want to get annexed either --Local (talk)

Ok, I will counter-offer Timor. This will allow you to have all of Madagascar under Comchellakian rule, and will also free you up to some extent from having to maintain such and extensive naval presence. In addition, my colony at Aber Dinas is really close by (OTL Australia), so it would be beneficial for Wales. Reximus55 (talk) 22:58, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

You are gaining the entirety of Madagascar - over 225,000 sq mi - and you refuse to give up 10,000 sq km. Think about it, please? If you can, get on chat, also. Reximus55 (talk) 23:16, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

NotLAH Algorithm
Here is a brief explaination of the algorithm used in NotLAH.

To summarize the rules page, every major battle requires an algorithm. When you declare war you first must decide why you are declaring war and what you seek to gain, just like in real life. This is called your causi belli and your objective(s). You total up the number from each your causi belli and objective, and if your number is positive, you subtract that amount from your stability. If it is zero or negative no nothing to your stability.

Next you do the actual algorithm. This uses similar elements as other popular map game algorithms (such as PM2), such as location, tactical advantage, etc. The algorithm should be preformed on both parties. At the end everything is totaled and the person with the highest number wins.

Some unique mechanics I should mention are the leader and soldiers modifiers. If you have a named, prestigious general (for example the US has used people such as Westmoreland and Abrams. If you can't find any you may make one up, with the appropriate context and back story.) then you can add some extra points depending on the leadership of your general. With the soldiers mechanic, you divide your soldiers by the number of enemies (each party does this).

Message me if you have any questions. Mscoree (talk) 22:45, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Von, is it a good idea to be in dynastic union with another country, like Bavaria with German Empire.Andr3w777 (talk) 02:11, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

I'm fine with a German Union, as long as I can retain doing whatever I like mostlyAndr3w777 (talk) 22:34, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

to wage independent war?Andr3w777 (talk) 22:39, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

If the union, fails to satisfy, may I leave or would that be tantamount to civil war?Andr3w777 (talk) 22:46, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Von, any ideas on how to expand my empire peacefully in PMII?

23:15, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I tried the militaristic approach, but algorithm results have kind of been sucking for me recently.

00:08, May 31, 2013 (UTC)

Relax, we can have a deal, i can give you the rest of kuwait, but i will like to expand ducht persia; i was thinking in make the entire country in a puppet, or u have any extra idea? Quashi (talk) 03:59, May 31, 2013 (UTC)

Leader, Netherlands and also put all my team: Oldeburg, Liege, Iceland, Ducht Persia (vassals) and Kongo, Acech-Pasai (puppets). Also i will like to expand my colonies... Quashi (talk) 19:46, June 4, 2013 (UTC)

Re: PMII Napoleon n' stuff
Hey! Sorry it's taken me so long to respond.

I am interested in an alliance with the Arabian Federation, perhaps a trade deal is in order? (And as a side note, how are your relations with a certain nation on the Horn of Africa?)

Also, a mini-Napoleon? In France, or another country? And does Napoleon imply there will be some fort of mini-French Revolution to produce him? It sounds like there are going to be some interesting times ahead for Europe! Callumthered (talk) 08:37, May 31, 2013 (UTC)

That sounds like a will stir things up a bit, but I suppose it turns out good for me in the end. I take it Saxony would be in much the same position as, say, Piedmont otl, ie: I get taken over completely, but my government survives in Saxon Norway and the Faroes? (Boy I'm glad I didn't sell them!)

And yes, the nation to which I was referring was Ethiopia. Callumthered (talk) 06:15, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

The reason I ask is because my African colony is unfoortunately squashed between Kongo (a Dutch puppet, I believe) and an Ethiopian colony. I am thinking of ways to improve the situation, either through negotiation with one of the neighbours, or through war with one of them. But it's all just a vague concept in my head at the moment. Callumthered (talk) 02:38, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

OK, you have a deal, I want as much as I can get out of Southern India. Count on Georgia, Mysore, Travancore, Lanka, Luxembourg, Aquatine, and Chimu to be in this.

19:51, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

I have a defensive contract with them. Otherwise I would totally join the coalition. CrimsonAssassin- "You can't handle this egg roll" 20:13, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Bavaria sends military aid and supplies and is a coalition leader, Salzburg is just sending suppliesAndr3w777 (talk) 18:10, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

Saxony has declared full-on war (so I suppose that makes them a leader?) and the rest of the Confed. is just sending supplies/a small expeditionary force. Thanks for doing this, by the way. Callumthered (talk) 18:31, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

I've placed my age as well as a tentative population and military development, you may need to fill in the points for such.Andr3w777 (talk) 19:22, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, here is a complete list of members of the Confederation of the Rhine (excluding Saxony and Luxemburg) Remember that they're all quite small countries ;) Callumthered (talk) 05:29, June 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Munster
 * Lorraine
 * Bar
 * Metz
 * Sandgau
 * Strassburg
 * Palatine
 * Mainz
 * Westphalia
 * Berg
 * Cologne
 * Cleves
 * Limburg
 * Anhalt

I don't wish to see Orissa demolished though... I support you taking Yemen but no other territorial exchanges as a result of the war. Scandinator (talk) 15:52, June 4, 2013 (UTC)

And honestly... I'm not likely to join the war on either side, the stakes are too high but with nothing that I want now from Ethiopia I'm happy to stay neutral... Scandinator (talk) 16:18, June 4, 2013 (UTC)

I think we will be willing to see you withdraw if you agree on taking Yemen and transferring the Zanj colony to the us. Now you get the bigger and more symbolic land, so you up for it? Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:07, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Aren't you a little late to post your 1723 turn? Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:08, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but you did kinda start it. Now, will you accept the trade deal? We are still giving you land, and we ask for is the Zanj colony in exchange. Yemen is more important to you anyway, im pretty sure. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:14, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Right. Would you just take Yemen and be fine then. Just stop the warring and stuff? Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:21, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

They still did it. And I'll put a W next to those nations then. D:  Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:45, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

If you see, I have not edited my motives. They are in brackets and are unused. So I'm guessing you will not take up our offer ofYemen for free then. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:49, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Not me. I got nothing. And the Koori started the damn war. The vassals did not. Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:53, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

And lose all that effort I have spend over my nation. You destroyed my nation before, its not happening this time. Plus, if those two nations do not mean much, me'n Viva will discuss about letting them go. Although bear in mind, we will come after you now. Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:15, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

No wait. Show me in the rules, where it states this little rule. Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:21, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Right, first thing. Who controls the vassals? You? No, us. They are not main nations. You don't want them to stop - sure. We want them to stop, they stop. They are on my side after all. We did give explicit okaying, however that was, as I recall, to player nations who were played by players? Who had uder their control vassals?

If our nations are doing badly, we occupy them and tell them to withdraw from the war. You don't want to finish this war, tough. We won, by 1 point, and we called it. The war is over, and you either take Yemen or we take some land from you - your call. Who said anything about me or Viva withdrawing - we fought on, and we won.

Wait a second - the winning side gets to withdraw according to you, correct? Well, its us winning. So, really, "your argument is invalid". Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:02, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

I am not a hypocrite. You destroyed my nation once before, I cannot have my nation destroyed again. Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:14, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

PM II Algorithm
It looks good to me, I have no objections. -Kogasa  2013 June 07, 01:47 (CET)

It passes my check. CrimsonAssassin- "You can't handle this egg roll" 19:22, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

I'm willing to sell some of the islands to you for OTL Jamaica. I'm winning the war with 33.33%+ already. Scandinator (talk) 17:10, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

Well you tangled yourself in a massive war in the Middle East and Asia... Otherwise Imp and I would have been going for Gujrat and Minangkabau at this time. Scandinator (talk) 18:22, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

I cant really misinterpret a capitialized LOL, lol... Anyways you can have the islands in the end. I'm more interested in West Papua. Scandinator (talk) 18:39, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

Hi man, i am back, we win the war, and i wanna know what i get? Quashi (talk) 22:36, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Hey man, I think I should get more territory than Wales ... And actually prefer Gabon to Angola Quashi (talk) 18:31, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

An Indian trading post would be great. But anyway, I'll see if I convince Saxony, to give me Gabon. The idea I had was if we won the war expand Kongo, but he established a colony there, and ruined my plans a little. Anyway I hope to count on you for anything. Quashi (talk) 04:56, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Nah, I found out Oyo is a vassal of the Mali. I don't know where Yorubaland is based exactly (aside from being in Nigeria), but I know that its located near Lagos, where the Yoruba are largely located. If I can find out where that land is, I'd be more than happy to keep it. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 00:10, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Alright thanks. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 00:35, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

I have a Proposal for NotLAH. Seeing as to how we are enemies in PMII, it would be good to have us allied once more in a game. Now, here is a proposal for the division of Germany and West Poland.

As you can see, the Dutch would like a strip of land in West Germany, supported by South Africa, while if you agree, you will have our complete support in taking over all the specified lands.

I hope you agree as this would give me a crucial nation to back in Europe and for you to grow into a powerful nation and be my ally in the chaos we call Europe.

What dya say? :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:27, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

So is that a no?  Imp (Say Hi?!) 14:50, June 20, 2013 (UTC)#

Whoops, I actually didn't see that message. Sorry, and great!! :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:09, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Persia
Want to deliver the death blow? I think there's just enough time left to add these results to the previous ones.

16:17, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

NotLAH: Holy Roman War
I don't know if you got my message from earlier, but you're now at war with Scandinavia in the Holy Roman War. They have already occupied much of northern Germany. The states of the Holy Roman Empire are asking for your help. If you do manage to beat back the Scandinavians this could be the final step toward full German unification under Austria. Mscoree (talk) 17:43, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

You want Dutch support? Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:55, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

PMII Mod event 1743
''' Rheatia, otherwise known as Switzerland undergoes a revolt against France. Nine of the Cantons lead by Bern demand freedom from French influence much to the displeasure of Geneva. They seek Bavarian and Italian protection. '''

do you agree with this mod event, i'm asking because France has taken a expansionist expansion of its right to its vassals and protectorates and full freedom of action within ther nations as far as their actions mean no harm to others, and a like other nations has granted freedom to other ethnicities in the empire almost eversince the start of the game (although as Burgundy), yet nations like wales and germany have not been so favorable towards them, and instead of they being the ones that have revolts often enough, they have become world empires, and france who tries to do so, its been either broken or shattered.

so knowing these, as well as the fact that every main nation of the French monarchic empire is a constitutional monarchy, do you think the mod event is still likely?

Thank you for your answer in advance,i'm just asking to see if anyone would agree with this event, to know if i fight against it or not Sine dei gloriem (talk) 22:05, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Map Stuff
Hey Von. I was wondering about my expansions on the map. So, seeing as to how Collie has not expanded it porperly, I would like you expand it properly please. Using the 1740 map, would you be able to add the expansion of my South American territories please? Now, in 11 years, the puppet state has expanded (10000*11) 110000km. In 11 years, both colonies have expanded (4100*11) 45100km (but it for each of the colonies, not total).

Thank you. And btw, the Netherlands does not get any German land, so just act as if the territory expansion never happened, lol. Plus, we are just about to win. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:50, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry if I confused you. That was for NotLAH, are we have almost won both wars, lol. You have got to thank the CSTO btw. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 12:39, June 29, 2013 (UTC)

But could you please fix my expansion in South America? :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 12:48, June 29, 2013 (UTC)

How did everyone else's colonies and stuff expand apart from mine? Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:56, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

What? When? Look, you haven't fixed my expansion at all - and now you are stating that they have already been expanded. That's not really fair? Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:59, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, your expansions did help, but I am 1064px short for the puppet state, and 571px short for my colonies. I have color counter so i counted it all. Now, I'm jus telling you - I'll fix the rest of the expansion myself. Thank you so far. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:25, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

What is going on with this Napoleon based event, as my nation is directly effected i beleive i need to know, If i do lose, since Napoleon is defeated later OTL, would I gain my territories back right? or would I be up the creek without a paddle? Also why Germany? Our nations are way more stable than France or the Netherlands. I have worked immeasurably hard to create this Union and to enlarge my Bavaria, I don't want to lose it, it is why I play so careful and focus more on science. On a side note, can i call on the Arabian Federation or Levantine to aid?Andr3w777 (talk) 16:38, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't aware, I was gone for a short holiday. Disregard my lastAndr3w777 (talk) 22:38, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Von. I just had a random Idea for the Strellokian War: Once he takes Anhalt (I'm assuming he does) could the Annists (you may or may not remember them, there was a Bonny Prince Charlie equivalent in the 1500s which was quite complicated but resulted in an exiled branch of the Anhaltese princely family claiming the Anhaltese throne) collaborate with him and bring about a restoration of the current Annist pretender (Carl-Johann)? And could parts of Saxony and Bavaria be annexed to Anhalt (during the period of Strellok's dominance), the way Hungary aexpanded during the Nazi years? I just thought of it all of a sudden. I'm not exactly sure why I want it to happen, but I think it would make Strellok's (short-lived) success in the Anhalt region more plausible.

I hope that it's not too convoluted, I just sort of wrote quickly so I didn't forget the idea :) Callumthered (talk) 11:08, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Could you get on chat? Reximus55 (talk) 19:10, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

NotLAH Austria-Germany
What is the status over your control of Germany? Are you still playing as Austria? Are you also playing as Germany? can you let us know your status in playing NotLAH? G greg e (talk) 17:36, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Could you go on chat please? I need to talk to you about NotLAH. Imp (Say Hi?!) 10:55, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Well, my original idea was to create a commonwealth like system with all my American territories. I was going start creating dominions or something of the sort by the 1790s-ish.

23:12, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

I have created a map of my new nation, providing I can gain Russia and Portugal's colonies. i started mapping out the states, and quite by accident it added up to 13, funny coincidence huh? Andr3w777 (talk) 01:57, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

I need to chat with you when you can.Andr3w777 (talk) 00:18, July 13, 2013 (UTC)



Give me a UTC time that will work. Expansion there is certainly a good idea:)Andr3w777 (talk) 16:42, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

PM2
Can you help finish off my algorithm on the PM2 talk page. Kunarian TALK 06:25, July 15, 2013 (UTC)