Talk:Scotland says "Yes"



Some is from or inspired by thisBryce3 (talk) 20:57, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

A small(ish) majority said no - 55%. Please alter this in the opening paragraph. Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:40, December 22, 2015 (UTC)

This is a very interesting idea. Keep it up! Victor Troska (talk) 20:33, December 22, 2015 (UTC)

@Imp - done so - thanks.

Thank you Victor. I'm hoping to do some in depth-anaylsis of the politics of the UK, as well as butterfly effects. I'm thinking at the moment that, for thhe 2016 General Election, as many people will have lost faith will the Tory Government for failing to keep the union together (though it didn't lead the campaign), for the Tory Vote being split between UKIP and the Lib Dems, and perhaps also some of the Labour vote going to Lib Dems, resulting in either a Labour Majority or Labour-Lib Dem Coalition. Scottish poltics, however, I will need some help with. And with the Spanish-Catalan and Russian-Ukrainian off-shoots from this. If anyone is interested in helping i'd be really greatfuly and blimey I do ramble on a bit don;t I.... Bryce3 (talk) 21:44, December 22, 2015 (UTC)

@Bryce3 - Your ideas are very good. Unfortunately I'm not familiar with Scottish politics to help you there. It's likely a successful secession by Scotland could energize secessionist movements worldwide (Quebec, Catalonia etc.), and pave the way for further break ups. Victor Troska (talk) 16:28, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Yes, I am planning (as you can see from the timeline) for Catalan and Basque independence. An idea i've had before is for succesionalist movement in China resulting in a civil war, but i'm unsure whether to incorporate it into this timeline, or whether it would dominate it too much - I feel the latter, and so probably will put it in a seperate timeline later on.

After Catalonia and Basque, i'm going to focus on Ukraine and Quebec, and then am thinking some of these: Kurdistan (quite possible due to current war); Cascadia (not sure... seems to be some following, but there are distinct differences between Canadian area and American one - would Queen still be HoS?); Caledonia; Greenland (though may still be fairly reliant?); Réunion. But not sure. I have a feeling if Catalonia goes and Basque does too, it may cause more independence movements in Spain (e.g. Canaries).

Any thoughts? If anyone could help with any of this that'd be brilliant. And again, sorry for the wafflings - I sort of have ideas and plonk them down without any sort of structure :D. Bryce3 (talk) 16:42, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

Map wrong
The map is wrong, see on the maps Col. James Hsu (talk) 28 December, 2015, 22:17

ah sorry - ill try, unless you can?Bryce3 (talk) 21:29, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Is it better now?Bryce3 (talk) 21:34, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

I've made a new template for this so put this on SSY pages - link as template, rather than just copying and pasting, so it's linked. Bryce3 (talk) 00:10, December 30, 2015 (UTC)

Contributions
I would like to help with this TL.

Thanks,

Awesome history 28 (talk) 14:52, January 10, 2016 (UTC)

PS: Please redirect it if I put this in the wrong place.

Hi - that's great - what would you like to help with? If  you like we can go on the wikia chat to discuss Bryce3 (talk) 14:57, January 10, 2016 (UTC)

I would like to do the Isle of Man and Welsh pages and a few others when I've completed them. I don't really mind where we discuss this but if I see you on chat then we can talk about it.

Thanks,

Awesome history 28 (talk) 20:05, January 11, 2016 (UTC)

Sounds good - i'll be abe to go on the chat at the weekend, but if you want to make a start now Bryce3 (talk) 22:55, January 11, 2016 (UTC)

Where next?
Does anyone have any ideas of where to go next? We need to expand thee current articles first, of course. However, the Spanish Collapse Crisis needs the latest bits expanding, and Iraqi Civil War needs to go somewhere. Anything happening in the Ukraine? Ill make a page for Ukraine, Russia, War, etc., and see after that. Bryce3 (talk) 10:58, January 25, 2016 (UTC)

Middle Eastern Conflicts
It looks like there's a possibility of a cease fire between the two factions  in the Syrian Civil War in OTL - if this goes ahead in ATL, we will then have a very successful united front against Da'esh... thoughts?Bryce3 (talk) 10:06, February 13, 2016 (UTC)

I think can be make a peace between the Syrian Rebels and the Government for unite the force against ISIS, with the support of the NATO, Russia, Padania, Scotland, Kurdistan and others ISIS will no existed Col. James Hsu 21:15, 14/02/2016

Me and Person were discussing this, and while that is possible, it is also possibly more likely that the govt. forces will defeat the rebels, whereas I was hoping for a scenario in which Syria was split into two. However, possibly the govt. will beat up the Rebels so much, that the agree to work with the govt. on the condition that Assad's powers are limited. Bryce3 (talk) 20:37, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

And i think after the war the Syrian need decide if they want Assad or not, so elections. I think can possible make a peace  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_peace_talks_on_Syria_(2016) Col. James Hsu 21:52, 14/02/2016

Next Movements
I found this, and will shortly write below the most likely which could fit into here in the next coupla years - does anyone else have feasible (attempts at) independence?Bryce3 (talk) 22:43, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

I think Bougainville or New Caledonia will probably be the big ones. I don't see Veneto gaining indepdence from Padagina. I also think that West Papua could join Papua New Guinea instead of becoming a independent country and the Faroe Islands would likely stay in Denmark. HawkAussie (Talk) 23:25, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

Yep -  Defintely Bougainville and New Caledonia within the next coupla years, and perhaps  perhaps we should expand Crimea and New Russia. Greenland as well quite possibly, but not yet - once it has got a developed a really good economy. Concerning these, in 2017 in ATL there's going to be a collapse on the Chinese Economy, which, as well as helping Chinese seperatists, it could have global repurcussion, and im intending on using it as a plot-device for more. If you see the Talk:Catalonia, then thhere's a temprorary plan for a second Spanish Collapse Crisis, as well as moving towards other areas.Bryce3 (talk) 10:57, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

I think Corse will be join Italy, or be indipendence, many Corsican people want be Italian or Indipendent. Veneto is not of see now, why they are indipendence under the Padania. But i think maybe Somaliland or others areas in Africa can be indipendence or fully reconized country, and Galicia can be part of Portugal. Col. James Hsu 24/02/2016 (UTC)

Next UK General Election, and Federalism
I intend for the next general election to be in 2020, unless, harking back to the Chinese Economy Collapse Plot Device, one is called earlier. I'd like to plan a basic thing in advance, and was wondering what people think - if the economy goes completely ugh, i doubt people will trust either main party, and so we'll see another coalition of some sort (lib-lab, con-lab or even blukip, if we really want to go overboard we could see a libdem-lead government...). however, with the departure of scotland, i can see a new topic being "english votes for english laws" and english devolution. we could, therefore, have parties promising to make the UK more federal (England, Wales, North Ireland). Alternatively, and I really like this, we could have smaller UK regions, based on here - this is partly to do with population sizes. what does everyone think? Bryce3 (talk) 18:37, February 26, 2016 (UTC)

Seems a good idea Bryce Col. James Hsu