User talk:Mumby

Ogres not humans
Your "Ogres not humans" timeline has been nominated for deletion because it hardly contains any actual content, if you are still interested in writing this AltHist you are given four weeks time to let us know and to start writing on, otherwise it will be deleted.--Max Sinister 02:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Neo-Britain
Do you want me to delete the page Neo-Britain, since you deleted all the content already?--Max Sinister 21:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Your timelines
Do they belong together? Edward VII, Britannic Empire and the united kingdoms? If yes, you should give them better titles, in the form of "name of page (name of TL)". Like most of the other pages on this site, you know. TIA.--Max Sinister 12:28, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

The Two Suns
Your "The Two Suns" timeline has been nominated for deletion because it hardly contains any actual content, if you are still interested in writing this AltHist you are given four weeks time to let us know and to start writing on, otherwise it will be deleted.--Max Sinister 15:50, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Doomsday
A warm and very belated welcome to the group! Please don't delete other people's work without discussing it first, as you seem to have done with the Falklands. I'm glad, though, that you seem to be working on harmonizing the Rhodesia and Celtic Alliance material. Benkarnell 19:22, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that's another very cool flag. Both that and the sideways-Y. But does Rhodesia actually cover the territory of the OFS? It seemed to be centered in the Natal region, but I could be wrong. Looking around, Natal never had a flag of its own, but in the early 20th century apparently had a badge or coat of arms featuring two running wildebeest.


 * On a related note. There's very little written so far about the people already living in the Rhodesia region. The nation's Afrikaaner ruling class must surely be upset about a bunch of Brits transplanting themselves and declaring a new country. I suppose that's the war with Cape Town mentioned, but what about those living in Rhodesia?


 * More importantly, what about hte millions and millions of "Coloureds" and Blacks in the region? The conflict between Rhodesia and Cape Town suggests that the British may have repealed apartheid. But there is nothing about any Black or Coloured leaders of this undoubtedly White, British nation. Has apartheid been kept to some extent? Have the nonwhites been politely asked to go now? I'm not opposed to a state that is "evil" by any means, if that's what you're going for - it's highly likely, as a matter of fact, in a post-Doomsday scenario. But I'd like to know the details. Benkarnell 19:38, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, never mind - I had never noticed your updates to the South Africa article. So the story goes: under the stress of Doomsday, apartheid actually fell apart. Good thing! Benkarnell 20:08, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Interesting: your flag was apparently suggested back in 1927. Maybe the Rhodesians dug the idea up and used it?

Continuity
While reading the timeline, I found peviously written events that do in fact conflict with what you've written
 * 1985: Sub-Saharan Africa is worse. The loss of American, European and Soviet aid has plunged most of the African nations into chaos and starvation. The economy of the Union of South Africa collapses, even under martial law, rioting runs rampant as it becomes apparent that the white minority is shunting food and fuel rations to primarily whites, while black South Africans starve. When guards abandon the Robben Island prison, members of the ANC rescue (August 17th) Nelson Mandela, but the joy is short-lived as Mandela dies in a bombing raid by the South African Air Force on a Pretorian black neighbourhood.
 * 1985: Sub-Saharan Africa is worse. The loss of American, European and Soviet aid has plunged most of the African nations into chaos and starvation. The economy of the Union of South Africa collapses, even under martial law, rioting runs rampant as it becomes apparent that the white minority is shunting food and fuel rations to primarily whites, while black South Africans starve. When guards abandon the Robben Island prison, members of the ANC rescue (August 17th) Nelson Mandela, but the joy is short-lived as Mandela dies in a bombing raid by the South African Air Force on a Pretorian black neighbourhood.


 * 2006: A RZA Provisional Government is set up but is merely able to secure a small region around Capetown with the support of a small joint SAC-ANZ Garrison - the first multilateral peacekeeping mission since doomsday. Everything north of the city is de facto lawless warlord-ruled territory.

To harmonize the two versions: maybe the multi-ethnic South Africa is smaller than you had in mind, and centered maybe on Joburg. The European rescue missions could still have happened, but then fell apart in 1985. Botha's new Joburg-centered union could come into being a tad later, say 1987-88, and Rhodesia could then decline an invitation to join. All this time, the Cape Province region remained a lawless wasteland, and the SAC/ANZ could still send a mission to Cape Town in 2006. That would mean that Rhodesia attacked the Transvaal region, plus Botswana and Mozambique, which could make sense. Cape Town would still be under the Provisional Government. Benkarnell 03:53, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I've made some suggestions at Talk:1983: Doomsday. XiReney's said that a few details will have to change. Check it out if you haven't yet. Benkarnell 04:12, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Can you please take a look at my latest post at Talk:1983: Doomsday? Benkarnell 19:25, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Re:Britannia
I like the idea of moving everything back a few years. But I don't think any sort of rescue from the UK to Africa is even remotely plausible. The Africans would be concerned about survival. Why would they spend some of their last resorces to rescue people from Britain? And why only Britain? Benkarnell

The British have a quite a significant chunk of cash to offer, being a First World country. Other countries in Africa seem to have transported large quantities of the populace of the nations who originally dominated them. Besides the Africans might not have spent any money. They might tell Britain. You can come but you have to pay. The RAF transports the vast majority of the populace of our green and pleasant land to the virgin lands of Africa. If you are still adamant about this where do you suggest the British are moved to. Or are they not moved at all. Either way there will be quite a lot of stuff to delete and I don't know how. Bob 14:02, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If I'm adamant, that's really not an issue, since this is a group project. I can live with something that doesn't make total sense to me, as long as there's consensus to keep it. There are a number of reasons why I think it's totally unrealistic:


 * No resources to do it - Britain doesn't have as much cash or military equipment as you think, since most of the people are dead and the institutions destroyed
 * Very little incentive to do it - The only possible reason for such an undertaking would be Anglo-South Africans who feel pangs of loyalty to the mother country. But the British were/are a minority in S. Africa, and even during the apartheid government, the lion's share of political power was held by Afrikaaner nationalists who probably couldn't give a damn about evacuating an island thousands of miles away.
 * No communication - how would the British survivors have contacted the South Africans about such a project, given the total breakdown of global communications? Why would they think to contact SOuth Africa in the first place? This is the 80s - there were major political movements throughout the West dedicated solely to hating the South African government and apartheid. If British people are going to flee anywhere, it will be to Ireland, and it will not be in the kinds of numbers you're talking about.
 * No precedent - the TL does not have examples of large populations fleeing to Africa. If you're thinking of Spain and Portugal, those are small governments-in-exile claiming to be the successors of the bombed-out countries. No massive population transfers. The UK already has such a gov-in-exile - in Ireland.
 * Look, I'm really sorry that you've put som uch work into this, but others and I have been saying these kinds of things for months, and gotten very little direct response fomr you, and very little willingness to be flexible. Benkarnell 14:36, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * [EDIT] OK, that was a bit harsh. Here's what I probably meant to say. The kernel of your idea is probably plausible: a band of British people that sets out for South Africa and establishes a new state there. It's just that all your ideas have been implausibly "big" so far. Such a group would have to be small. They could have a compelling story of how they travelled thousands of miles down the African coast, bravely battling the elements and brigands, only to arrive at this new shore to found a new nation based on the ideals of their homeland. That's not bad! But it would be a small undertaking, certainly - a few thousand people on Navy ships and fishing boats, that's all I could see happening. And they'd have to do it on their own, since neither of the relevat governments would be willing or able to sponsor such a project. Benkarnell

Survivor Kingdom of Great Britain
I've had a new idea. In case of a nuclear war, Britain had a plan to build a National Network of tunnels connecting the cities and large towns of Britain. It gives a kind of adventurer or World War Two mentality. The stoic rmnants of humanity in Britain holding out underground, growing food by special lights, playiong cricket in vast underground cities. Its much more interesting than the whole Africa thing. They wouldn't disturb the Celtic Alliance or the Kingdom of Cleveland either. They would exist underneath the Celtic Alliance and Yorkshire didn't pose much of a military threat to the Russians so they didn't target it. Bob 14:56, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * That's an idea. It's a cool one, actually. Now, if you don't want to totally delete everything, some of it can still be adapted. I liked the idea of Rhodesia as an evil white kingdom - sans the British refugee element. Benkarnell 01:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

That would make for some really interesting books of nonfiction and realistic fiction. Who knows, maybe the idea of a fictionalized version of an underground Britain could fill the void of something like the Harry Potter series (no doubt JK Rowling is either a pile ash) Mr.Xeight 03:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree with ben it would be an awsesome OTL Owen1983 17:47, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

New Britain collaboration
Bob, I appreciate you contacting me like this. I know we have had our disagreements in the past and that at times I could have been very rude, however, I hope you understand it was nothing personal. In such an atmosphere where people have their creative juices flowing the tempers can easily get out of control.

That being said I have always been supportive of an English successor state in South Africa, though I have disagreed about its scope. Though there is a significant minority of members who don’t think the article is plausible, I think it probably would not be difficult to graduate it to canon. I’d be glad to help, but due to summer school finals I’m going to be limited in the amount of work I can put in, at least until after August 3rd.

If you don’t mind I have some ideas for the British Survivors Administration (1983: Doomsday) article that I would like to start on first. Is that alright? Mitro 20:06, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Thats perfectly fine. I also understand why you can get a bit incensed with me. I can be full of zeal for my nation. However there is an interesting program about penicilluin on the tellybox right now. Good old BBC! Bob 20:09, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I have done work on the British Survivors Administration (1983: Doomsday). Mitro 15:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The BSA page is brilliant!! This bodes well for anything else we do together! Bob 18:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think we first need to start from the beginning. We can list what was hit, how did the government reorganize itself, what did they do at first to ensure survival, what was Prince Andrew doing during this time, etc. The whole migration is what most dissenters have a problem with. If we can show in good detail how it could have been possible then they may be more accepting of the article. Also we need to work in links and content for the BSA and the Antarctic territories. Not a lot but right now they are orphans. Mitro 18:14, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey just wanted to let you know I haven't forgotten my promise to work on getting New Britain graduated. Just been taking care of some stuff here at home. Mitro 01:17, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I made my rough draft of, check it out and see if you like it. Mitro 02:20, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Raleizia & Rhodesia
First off, I'm so happy that we've turned New Britain into something we can work with. Now, you blanked the old Raleizia page. Would you like me to archive it as "Obsolete", or simply delete it? The same goes for Rhodesia, actually. Benkarnell 18:51, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

There is more detail on the Rhodesia page, that might actually be useful to look at. We could try and get some info from that. Raleizia is much less good. Just delete it. Bob 09:25, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

War in Canada
The important question is: what do they gain? It will cost New Britain millions (if not billions) of dollars to train, supply and transport soldiers and materials to the other pole of the world to fight in a war against a tiny, landlocked unrecognized state whose leader was assassinated by a Canadian citizen. Furthermore, New Britain up to this point has had nothing to do with Saguenay, good or ill. Seems odd they would immediately jump to declare war on them just because they have good relations with the other guy.

Sure Canada would be grateful for the assistance, but all of what I stated above sounds like the ingredients for an incredibly unpopular war back home. Does Canada need New Britain’s help? They already have the, which has a greater stake in the region then New Britain would.

Plus sending troops means New Britain will be slightly weaker when it comes to protecting their borders from their own hostile nations. With New Britain busy up north, what stops them from launching their own attacks?

It’s important to remember that New Britain is not the pre-Doomsday Great Britain. They do not have the capabilities to make their presence felt around the world. They are a regional power confined to southern Africa. They may have a larger then usual navy for their size thanks to the remnants of the Royal Navy, but they just lack the capabilities to get involved in conflicts around the globe. Mitro 17:22, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

KwaXhosa
In order to finally get the KwaXhosa article graduated, I made some changes to the KwaXhosa article. I got rid of the mention of it being a failed state, made sure the article conformed to the history of New Britain, made mention of peacekeepers from the Anzanian League, and added a few small details of my own. What do you think? Mitro 03:33, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

had suggested NB gets a new flag if you agree we can put a vote up and the best design wins Owen1983 17:54, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Okey doke. Bob 17:58, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Bourne
What sort of military does Bourne have??

As Britain isn't as gun-crazy as the US weapons and the suchlike would be in short supply unless there was some sort of military base in the area. TBH that's the reason I chose Woodbridge as my starting point. Originally my survivor nation was based about Mildenhall and Lakenheath but then it was brought to my attention that they were bomber bases and may well have been targeted on Doomsday Verence71 19:45, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

King Andrew and Fiji in 1983DD
How much has Prince/King Andrew traveled since becoming king of New Britain? When I put together the Current Monarchs page I realized that Victoria still acknowledges the British Monarch as sovereign of their country. Has Andrew ever been to Victoria? Do you think they'd welcome him? Possibly not - I can imagine the Victorians dismissing his claims over some technicality in order to avoid getting tied to NB. I was starting to think about Fiji, though, where the British Crown is mostly important through its relationship to the chiefly hierarchy. HMtQ in real life is on Fiji's currency despite not being the official head of state - just the highest-ranking chief. I would think that the Fijians would be quite welcoming toward Andrew. He could visit if he was ever in Tonga to attend some kind of League of Nations function. Benkarnell 16:41, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Out of One, Many
You know I had great plans for this TL but I just let it slide into the background. I promise to take a look at your article when I get the chance. Mitro 19:36, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

Your Offer
Mumby, I'm not sure if you noticed, but there really is no "Britain" per se in Toyotomi. There is a monarch that is head of government for a group of nations, but as for a Cairo-to-Cape or an empire on which the sun never sets is out of the question; I will not alter Christina's previous work, the new group is only fleshing out and adding. Now if you would like to take caretakership over each of the Commonwealth nations and provide maps, then I think I can speak for both Mrs. Christina and Mr. Daniel when I say we would love to have you. Mr.Xeight 00:58, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Toyotomi Edits
Are you only putting established history into these new pages you've created, or are you making your own? If you are doing the latter, please talk to Mr. Dan who can refer you to the creator. Her name is Mrs. Christina Nicole. Mr.Xeight 17:42, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

Do you have permission to begin building up your own material? It's not mine to give, only Mr. Daniel and Mrs. Christina. Mr.Xeight 19:21, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

Look, Bob, Mumby, whichever you prefer to be called, it's not in my power to say what can be added to Toyotomi and what cannot. Even if it was, I really don't know anything on Toyotomi's Britain other than it's fallen hard in the last 200 years, very hard. Mrs. Christina personally told me that this chapter (althistory.wikia.com) is finished in her life. If you want her blessing you're going to have to contact her at her email. I have if you want it. Mr. Dan has an online comic that's just been published he needs to worry about, he's immensely busy, but I can give you his email as well. I'm sorry but it was never my intention to take over Toyotomi, I am simply adding to the past so long as it doesn't contradict it, and adding to the present and future. That's all, nothing more, nothing less. Mr.Xeight 22:30, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

You know, it's a bit of a pet peeve of mine when people do things on this wiki without asking. Before I accuse of you doing so, did you get permission to make all these pages and use a Quebecois flag for the Republic of Great Britain? Don't you think it'd be more polite if you were to reserve the more fun stuff (ie flag making), to the head of this AltHist, Mr. Dan? Mr.Xeight 02:39, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

King Andrew's Visit
Could I request that King Andrew visit Assiniboia after he is done in Victoria?

Yankovic270 19:48, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Dominion of Eduarda?
You made a mentioning of a nation on my timeline Great White South. I am quite interested to know a little more about it. Can you please give more description of it on the talk page? Thank you for your contribution. --NuclearVacuum 16:35, April 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Also sorry. I had no idea that you made a comment about this on my talk page. There has been some editing war going on there and I am so confused with it. So please forgive me for not answering you sooner. --NuclearVacuum 18:11, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

AEC
Following a discussion on the talk page of Mitro sugested that Botswana joined New Britain's African Economic Comunity, I was wondering what your thoughts on this were.Vegas adict 19:20, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

King of the Yukon?
Well, if my Yukon page (or some version of it) does end up getting accepted, King Andrew is certainly welcome to visit Whitehorse. The Members of the Teritorial Assembly have been discussing His Majesty's role there for some time. Constitutionally, he's still the King, after all! Benkarnell 16:57, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Maps of post-Doomsday Britain
In principle they look very good but there is a slight problem with Woodbridge. On the map giving showing the situation as it is now you have Woodbridge situated in the district of Babergh whereas it actually consists of Suffolk Coastal and Waveney.

If you could get this sorted out would be so kind as to edit the Woodbridge infobox so it contains the map of the current British situation?? Thanks Verence71 09:23, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

I really like the maps too, however, the futurised one shows Essex expanding into Kent and across London. In fact there are no actual plans for this; Essex will be directing its efforts, at least in the near future, to solidifying control over Hertfordshire. There is also the thing that Essex's current control extends westward to the A10, so its currently displayed borders are somewhat in error; otherwise, the maps are fine (and quite professional-looking, in my opinion). Fegaxeyl 09:50, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you kindly :) Verence71 18:55, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Nice map
Welcome back ^_^

I just wanted to say I love the map you did for British colonialism. But I want to make a little note for you, is that I planned on dividing New Devon quite differently. So it might change soon, so just wanted to let you know. Otherwise, I love it. --NuclearVacuum 21:22, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

China in French Trafalgar, British Waterloo
Thank you for your feedback. I have to ask, though, what do you think should be the turning point in convincing China?

Organisation of British Nations
I've just typed up a quick intro for the OBN. I hope it fits with the general picture

BTW I've just had a word with Smoggy and they say that the chance are that Cleveland and Northumbria could well join but only as the result of referendums so perhaps the flag with 5 stars (presumably one each for Woodbridge, Essex, East Britain, Cleveland and Northumbria) is a bit presumptious for the moment Verence71 16:07, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

French Trafalgar, British Waterloo contribution question
I'm always looking forward to help in my timeline! I would greatly appreciate it, as I'm starting to head into territory I'm not even sure about yet, but I do have a rough idea how the 20th century will be; just need to get up there.

If you have any ideas on articles to write, or of a person that will fit in, or a complete overhaul of some parts, just let me know!

PS: thanks for the China suggestion. It makes so much more sense now that I added that.

Tbguy1992 02:59, May 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * I greatly appreciate these suggestions. They actually would work within the frame that I'm thinking of. Tbguy1992 17:44, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

SRR
You forgot to add the proposal template when you created the article. Mitro 15:22, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Isle of Wight
When do you think that New Britian would have stoped directly controling the Island because depending on the date i might have to change the orginal base of Southern England to be HastingsVegas adict 21:05, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Your Turn
Your turn for Europe 1430 (Map Game)] and for [[The New & Improved map game (Map Game). --Catherine 17:32, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Genghis Khan Who?
GKW is mainly dead, it was too unrealistic-if you really want to have fun you can start again with Toyotomi Japan, I remember your interest in it. The reason I had problems the first time is because it seemed to me you were just forcing ideas into canon-if you propose it in a 1983 Doomsday:Style I'd love to hear it! But if your heart is set on Genghis Khan Who, we can work out an agreement on that. Mr.Xeight 02:12, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, well then, great to have you! Ms. Christina allowed me to pass on her blessing to you, and from what I remember Mr. Daniel left it up to me to decide whether you're in our out, and I did approve you some months back, I just probably scared you off, no? Anyway, your additions I believe are all still, the only problem I had with them was you didn't ask Mr. Dan's permission. With that said, I'd like you to again ask Mr. Dan to start work on Toyotomi, and if he asks, I beg you to give him an outline so we can avoid a confrontation if say months from now an idea isn't what he was expecting pops up.

Welcome aboard, mate! Brian John Constantine Xeight Mr.Xeight 22:46, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * PS: Your articles were about England's past, right? What do you have in mind for their present and eventually their future (which will be the present at the time we get there, but you understand what I'm saying! :D)

If I recall correctly, there is a government-in-exile in the NAC. And what type of government currently runs England-proper as of 2010? I don't remember no do I have enough time to check Britain's page, I have quite a bit of homework to do and the Lost Finale at 8! Mr.Xeight 17:46, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

Great Britain in FTBW
Well, I had meant to say that Britain has one of the largest army reserves, as conscription would be introduced in the 1830's, mostly because the French Imperial Navy would be as powerful, if not more, than the Royal Navy by then (as both nations would have vast overseas colonial Empires, so would need it.), which would allow an invasion, despite the fact that Great Britain was not invaded during the First Great European War.

And yes, Great Britain will support the Confederacy, but I haven't quite got up to the point (in ATL, the Civil War starts in 1858, at about the same time as the Second Great European War, so Britain will have problems closer to home, A.K.A., France.)

But, thank you for reading my timeline! That really warms my heart that somebody is actually reading it! Tbguy1992 14:52, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Arrival
Thanks for the advice - it's nice to see that my stuff is getting read. You have a good point, I've probably pushed the EU thing a bit fast, and it would probably still be a strong group of nations rather than a loose single nation. As I keep working on the timeline I'll likely be able to sort out these flaws and create something more realistic for the universe it's in. I'll keep your suggestion in mind as I continue work. Fegaxeyl 16:53, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

World War I Map Game
Would you like to reject the triple entente and form an alliance with the Central Pact? Then Belgium can be annexed by you.

Actually, could you help out the Allies, I'm fighting this single-handed. BoredMatt 01:12, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Sign the Peace Treaty

Thanks for that
Thanks for making that edit, in French Trafalgar, British Waterloo (1831-1858). I was just trying to get my thoughts down last night, and was trying to think of something, but that makes so much more sense. And thanks for reading my AltHist!

Tbguy1992 12:55, June 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * As of now, I will soon be updating the third part of the History section, French Trafalgar, British Waterloo (1858-1882), which will begin with the basic outline of the Second Great European War (which would really be like a massive, Europe wide Crimean War: brave soldiers, incompetent generals and pomp, circumstance and misery for everyone involved.)


 * I will also be detailing the Second America's War, which will break out at the same time in North America, and will really be a slightly modified Civil War, but after the war in Europe is done, then Great Britain would ally with the Confederacy, and defeat the US.


 * After that, I don't have much: maybe the Northern part of the Mexican Empire will break off and form Deseret, as the Mormons would not want to become part of the United States or the Pacific Republic. Most likely in Europe the Marseilles Pact will fall apart, as they lose the Second Great European War, and the young hemophiliac (again, thanks for that :P) Emperor would die at a young age, and the real Napoleon III, Charles Louis Napoleon Bonaparte, will be named Emperor. What do you think?


 * PS - Would you want to be credited with helping with French Trafalgar, British Waterloo? You have already done a lot to help me, and I would like to thank you for that.


 * Yeah, and besides destroying racial stereotypes in the U.K., it would do the same throughout Europe, and possibly even in America, so slavery dies a long over due death, while such instances as the Canadian Residental Schools and the Indian Wars. Sound good? Tbguy1992 01:46, July 2, 2010 (UTC)