Talk:North America (1983: Doomsday)/Archive

Population
We may want to take this opportunity to finally establish what is the 2009 post-Doomsday population of North America. Mitro 17:24, October 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * I made the current population of North America my project this week. The population of canonical nations north of the Rio Grande is 20,175,753. That includes recently calculated populations for Aroostook and Assiniboia (using assumptions of bombed cities and refugees), and present day OTL populations for the Outer Banks, the Okanagan Confederacy and the Pasco Free State.


 * When you include Mexico (132,065,781) and Yucaton (2,750,000), the total population of North America is 152,241,534.


 * I can add the missing figures (the ones I have recently calculated) to the chart. If you want, I can figure in any migration into Pasco and the Okanagan Confederacy from areas bombed in Washington state and British Columbia. The Outer Banks were perhaps cut off by the blast in Virginia Beach, but they may have got some of those refugees as well. I have not include Elizabeth City (not yet canon, though mentioned in narrative), but I'm thinking that the "inner bank" may form a separate nation-state.SouthWriter 03:10, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Central America
This may be the right place to organize some kind of regional plan for Central America. This is the situation as of 1983:
 * El Salvador, Guatemala, and Hondouras were all in states of civil war, in which US-backed dictatorial regimes were defending themselves against left-wing guerrilla movements.
 * Nicaragua was also in civil war, with the combatants reversed: the Sandinistas had just deposed the US-backed dictator in 1979, and now the US was sponsoring the Contra guerrillas to re-overthrow them.
 * Hondouras was just about a de facto US protectorate. The US had a number of bases for its own troops there, and from there trained and armed guerrillas to send into Nicaragua.
 * Costa Rica's democratic government was intact, but the civil wars were hurting the economy and destabilizing the country with the flood of refugees and substantial Contra activity along the Nicaraguan border.
 * Belize had the most uninterrupted history of stable democratic government as a British colony. It had only achieved full independence in 1981. Now, however, refugees from the wars were putting great stress on the country, especially given its tiny population. A number of refugees had just been resettled on vacant land near the capital.
 * Panama was going through a period of instability since the death of its dictator Omar Torrijos in 1979. Manuel Noriega was not yet in control. The Canal Zone had not been sovereign US territory since 1979, but the US still had a significant military presence in the country.

So far, we know:
 * The Contras, presumably in an act of desperation after the collapse of the US, brought the war into Costa Rica, where it tore the country apart.
 * A Sandinista regime took over much of Costa Rica.
 * The Nicaraguan Sanidinstas are still in power, thanks to Soviet aid.
 * Contras (presumably allied with Moskito Indians) have kept the Nicaraguan government out of the southeastern coast lands.
 * Panama was nuked.
 * Guatemala has a leftist regime and funds rebels in Yucatan and Chiapas.
 * Guatemala has occupied significant portions of Beize.
 * Central America, overall, has not stabilized.

Some ideas / suggestions / proposas of mine:
 * The refugees living in Belize felt shocked and betrayed at the Guatemalan invasion. They quickly became extremely loyal Beizeans and were key supporters of joining the East Carribbean Federation in order to get military aid.
 * Hondouras was attacked, either by nukes or conventional weapons.
 * Colombia sent soldiers into the Darien wilderness, and provided arms and training to the Kuna and Embara tribes, to defend its northern border from DD refugees. The region became a Colombian protectorate, and was later annexed and made an autonomous region. Colombia claims all of Panama as its historical territory.

I don't have any other ideas off the top of my head, but this can maybe start discussion. I think Central America should be handled like South America or the Midle East - make a plan that covers the entire region.