Talk:Europe 1430 (Map Game)

Henry VI
''Henry VI is only 9 years old in 1430, and considered insane. How is he concerned with absolute power?''ProfessorMcG 16:05, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Some inaccuracies
England couldn't sell their french lands because at this time they only controlled them at this time of the 100 years war, they were English occupied French lands that England claimed because of the royal line's origins as Norman noblety. But the French King legally stripped the duke or whatnot of Normandy of his lands and titles in France, so the claims aren't recognized internationally. Also, Genoa is a merchant republic, so its King can't also be King of Ukraine because it has no King. Also, Orkney and Shetland are part of Norway, not independent. Oerwinde 17:44, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

You are right on the first two parts and I was about to post something about it, but the last part is not. Orkney and Shetland were independent. I made the starting map. And as a side note Shetland and Orkney were sold to Scotland in 1468.ProfessorMcG 20:09, May 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * I can't find any mention of them being independent. The wikipedia articles have both Orkney and Shetland as part of Norway until Christian I put them up as security against the dowry for his daughter when she was engaged to the king of Scotland. When the dowry wasn't paid, the islands became part of Scotland. The closest thing to independence was Orkney at this time was ruled by a scottish Earl who owed fealty to the King of Norway. Oerwinde 08:33, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

How do the Habsburgs lose power in a year when they eventually become the most powerful ruling house in Europe?


 * Also, the HRE isn't a centralized state, it's many duchies, bishoprics, countys, kingdoms, free cities, etc. And in fact Bohemia, Burgundy, Luxembourg, Teutonic Knights, Swiss Confed. Savoy, and Brandenburg are part of the empire. At this point the King of Luxembourg is the Holy Roman Emperor, so if the Habsburg lands are absorbed by the empire (which it already was part of), it actually means the lands were absorbed by the king of Luxembourg. Also, attacking the Teutons is also declaring war on the Holy Roman Emperor, which could bring all the aformentioned nations into the mix.Oerwinde 08:33, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Record!
It's already completely ridiculous and it only took 9 years.ProfessorMcG 00:30, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Its not completely ridiculous. We haven't got colonialism or spaceships and their is no sign of any one country becoming more vastly important than all the others. You are just being picky. Bob 08:46, May 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Half of this stuff makes no sense.ProfessorMcG 23:45, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Bohemia
The King of Bohemia is the freaking king of HRE ProfessorMcG 20:39, May 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * The Holy Roman Emperor had no real power within the various states of the HRE. His only real power until the reforms of the late 1400s to mid 1500s was that he could levy troops to defend or war against agressors to the empire. Once the Habsburgs began to reform the empire creating the imperial courts, imperial circuits, etc. the Emperor got much more prestige and such. Until this time, the Emperor only had any real power over his own lands, which is why at the beginning of this game, the Habsburgs only had some small holdings, but by the time the Margrave of Brandenburg declared himself King in Prussia, they had established real control over much more of the HRE, and after the 30 years war it was mostly known as the Austrian empire rather than the Holy Roman Empire. In this game though, the Bohemian king has reformed the empire slightly earlier, but is still going through the process the Habsburgs did in using marriage and inheritance to build their territory. Oerwinde 08:30, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool ProfessorMcG 01:44, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Spain + Genoa = What?
Genoa is a republic. How could Spain gain control of it through marriage? Keperry 23:38, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Its Spain and Naples. Bob 08:34, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

Italia!!!!!!?
Naples was part of the Spanish Empire. they don't just leave for no reason!! Destroyanator 03:45, May 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * The Papal states would also not give up their authority to a secular ruler. VENEZUELA also took two turns. And the USAAR magically eliminating poverty and running around conquering things on the other side of the mediterranean was silly. Spain releasing an independent client state in the holy land only for them to revolt and rejoin Spain didn't make sense either. I'm rolling it back.Oerwinde 04:26, May 22, 2010 (UTC)