Berlin Conference (Rise of the South Map Game)

The Berlin Conference has been called between all European nations to regulate European colonization and trade in Africa during this new age of New Imperialism, coinciding with Germany's sudden emergence as an imperial power. Called for by Brazil and organized by Otto von Bismarck, first Chancellor of Germany, all nations of Europe have been called to agree on basic guidelines regarding the continent of Africa.

Attendees

 * Germany- Mscoree (talk) 21:16, September 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Britain- Mafia (talk) 21:21, September 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Spain- GO OCTi (talk) 21:50, September 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Empire of Brazil: &#35;LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 22:05, September 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * France: Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 22:49, September 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Italy: Kytax (talk)
 * Japan: TOB

Proposals
This Map goes off a different map given to me that i went off of. This is not canon and is just a proposition that isnt finished completely cause well im lazy &#35;LivinLikeFeudal (talk)



This is Spains Proposal (which i dont think is good at all, Spain is under complete duress and is at war with two seperate major powers and lost most of her colonies in the process)



French Proposal



Japans proposal.

German Proposal

 * Slavery by Black and Islamic powers will be ended, thus an international prohibition of the slave trade throughout Europe's respected spheres shall begin.
 * The Congo Free State will be confirmed as territory of the German Empire, thereby ensuring that any promises to keep the country open to all European investments shall be retained.
 * The signatory powers shall have free trade throughout the Congo Basin as well as Lake Niassa and east of this in an area south of 5° N.
 * The Niger River and Congo River shall be made free for ship traffic.
 * A Principle of Effectivity shall be introduced to stop powers setting up colonies in name only.
 * Any fresh act of taking possession of any portion of the African coast would have to be notified by the power taking possession, or assuming a protectorate, to the other signatory powers.
 * Each region that each European power obtains shall have an exclusive right to "pursue" the legal ownership of land (legal in the eyes of the other European powers).

More to be added.

Dicussion
That was rectooned
 * Germany: We believe we have claim over the Congo considering we first began colonizing the Congo River Basin and its tributaries almost a decade ago, and hired the renowned and prestigious explorer, Henry Morton Stanley (who claimed the region in OTL for Belgium) to chart the entire region.
 * Spain: We wish to expand the Colony of new Catalonia into Cameroon and Gabon, OTL Tanznia/Kenya, and part of OTL Nigeria. We wish that morroco be put under Spain and Italys influance. We ask that this is about the whole new Colinial empires (Oceania, and Arabia).  If it does come to that we would like yemen and New Gunia.
 * Germany: Most if not all of the locations you listed are already established colonies in other nations. Cameroon, Tanzania, Kenya, and New Guinea for example are owned by Germany.
 * New Guinea was not owned by Germany until 1881 and it was a protectorate
 * Britain: We ask how Spain plans to control all this, considering their capital city just fell, as has the majority of their nation.

'''No it wasnt, it was only the issue with italy. Even then you lost Cuba and the Phillipines and have no money &#35;LivinLikeFeudal (talk)'''

And the mod events did 90% of the invading, so I doubt it would be ret conned

I was invaded by Brittan, surprisinglyat that time they where allies!

'''And you broke the Alliance with a Blockade of Gibraltar... you instigated the war. &#35;LivinLikeFeudal (talk)'''
 * Brazil: We ask that territories be ceded or allowed control to Brazil to connect Angola and Mozambique For a Trans African Railroad, gaurentee Brazilian control in northern cameroon into Nigeria, and expansion of Gabon to include some of the Northern Congo (Which has not been claimed yet). as well as a Colony Underneath Morroco on the Coastal area of Africa.
 * France: We wish to return to the beginning with this dicussion. Many areas of Africa are currently unaccounted for in the newest maps, still leading to conflict over those areas. Disregard for colonies would render this conference war-enhancing, not war-preventive. Also, we believe that giving the German nation, one of which that has little experiance with colonization or overseas empires, not be given such expansive control over much of Africa when many other nations still hold claims and have more experiance with African colonization.
 * Brazil: We are inclined to Agree with France, Even Brazil itself thanks to its addition of Portugal has more colonial experience than Germany. Their Proposal judging from colonial experience, among other factors is fair.
 * Japan: We ask nations to respect our control of Jubaland
 * Italy: We don't want France to own our colony that we already have.

'''ATTENTION: The point of this conference is not necessarily to draw maps of the future continent. Look at the OTL terms and you'll see what I mean. Yes, we can discuss other matters, but the things from there need to be addressed, although replace Belgium with Germany.'''

'''I think were missing out on about three extra years of colonialism that affected German possessions OTL, and a few ATL events such as increased Brazilian colonialization efforts have severely edited the OTL agreements. '''

Germany: The areas on this map that are in black or grey (plus the Congo, which will be grey in a turn or two) are already owned by Germany. Light grey is just claimed/planned to be settled.



The Claims must be recognized by multiple nations, claims or no claims a general consensus must be agreed to especially when there are more well established nations in your area that have had older Colonies. Also its impractical for Germany to be taking territory currently under another nations sphere of Influence (Southern Africa from the British, and much of West Africa from Portugal/Brazil)

None of the areas claimed are owned by Britain or Portugal/Brazil. Also claims are just that, claims, sometimes with little to no merit. That is why one of the terms in the German proposal is the creation of a Principle of Effectivity. Mscoree (talk) 00:35, October 1, 2013 (UTC)