Talk:Night of the Living Alternate History (Map Game)

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Current Article Proposals
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Californian Revolution of 1981
Page by IstocnoSarajevo

Northern California
Page by IstocnoSarajevo

Thor's Hammer
Nominate this to become obsolete. Mscoree (talk) 20:52, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Nation Tiers
Currently unimplemented. Mscoree (talk) 20:54, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Touhou Project
Article by me about the Touhou Project series. -Kogasa  2013 June 02, 11:38 (CET)

Archives
Previous archives for the talk page.

Changelog
Original map still in use. Mscoree (talk) 14:05, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

1970.5: Expanded Bay Republic (as their expanding), addest Israel, expanded Zombies, uncolored/colored certain nations, expanded Free Alaska. Daxus Inferno (talk) 14:04, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

1971.25: Shows campaign in England, London removed, French border updated, Brittanny added to UK, Vietnam border updated, Cyprus added, Chicago area updated, infection added in northern Africa and Venezuela, Phillipines added, Pacific islands fixed. Map made by Daxus Inferno. Mscoree (talk) 00:31, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

1972.75: Added zombie movement in Africa, Asia, Middle East, and South America. Showed campaigns in North America. Added annexed Free Alaskan territory. Recolored some nations. Removed South Vietnam. Fixed islands near Japan. Added Halifax (and other nations). Mscoree (talk) 22:37, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

1975: Remade map using more detailed, provincial map.

1983: +Added Belieze +added Alaskan, Canadian and United Republics Colonies. +added changes reflecting Treaty of Cordoba 1983 +added French expansion +added Central Italy (Naples) and expansion +fixed Yemen issue +fixed progress in Middle East War

List of Changes Needed
'''I've taken the last few requests and made them into a list. From now on all requests should be added to this list. Cross out when completed.'''


 * The Galapagos Islands should be Colombia colored.
 * the changes from the Treaty of Dubai need to be added.
 * Eastern Turkey should be given back to Turkey, except for the area around Adana (to EHU).
 * The new borders from the Treaty of Albuquerque need to be added.
 * Brazil's new borders need to be added.
 * China should be removed
 * Inner Mongolia should be Mongolian colored.
 * Dinetah should be added.
 * Chan Santa Cruz is now as far north as Mexico city in the center, Tuxpan on the east coast and Zihuatanejo on the west.
 * Djibouti should be Yemen colored.
 * Belarus and Ukraine should be added
 * Thrace should be made a different color to avoid confusion with Romania.
 * Turkmenistan should be part of the Russian Federation.
 * The Sinai Peninsula should actually belong to Israel since they hasn't been returned to Egypt.
 * The United Republics of Guinana (light blue in the Guinanas region of South America) should be removed.
 * The Kirl Islands and the Island of Sakhalin needs to be added to Russia.
 * Brittany should be independent.
 * The changes from the Treaty of Syracuse need to be added.
 * India should be uncolored.
 * The US midwest should be updated.
 * The Republic of Sul should be added.
 * Southwest map should be updated.
 * A new nation arround New Delhi, India, needs to be added
 * All of New England should be one nation.
 * Belize has joined Chan Santa Cruz.
 * Poland should be colored.
 * (Canon checking in progress) Mexico City is a ULN protectorate

Discussion
It might be a good idea to use the space in the bottom left of the map to show China without any zombies. Mscoree (talk) 14:04, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

My Antarctic claims aren't on here... RevenantAscension (talk) 19:20, April 23, 2013 (UTC)(Florida)

What are you claims? Mscoree (talk) 21:46, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

My claims in Antarctica (as of 1975, when I originally Made them and began building a fortified base in the Transantarctic Mountains) from 150 W (or from wherever the U.S. claim to Marie Byrd Land ends) to 80 E. RevenantAscension (talk) 12:34, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

Free Alaska now has soverignity over all of Alaska.

South Africa should be colored, with the nations of Lesotho and the surrounding area a lighter color. Mscoree (talk) 13:13, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

The map still has communist and zombies within the borders of Argentina, according to mod events, communsim never entered Argentina nor should be below the border of Argentina in Chile as there is a defensive wall. G greg e (talk) 18:51, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

Claiming the rest of Antarctica. RevenantAscension (talk) 19:18, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

MAKE THE MAP BIGGER -OREOTOAST

I would be willing to make/edit the map, on the condition that people make a list of changes required of it or post mini-maps of what their region should look like. G greg e (talk)

Current Map?
Okay, I don't see my country on the World map, let alone many of the other new nations...I don't have the software to update it, but PLEASE someone update it. Thanks. Daeseunglim (talk) 02:03, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Help me make a list of new nations and their boundries and ill update it to the best of my ability. G greg e (talk) 03:11, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

I will begin to make a list tonight if possible. If you have any nations to add we'll do it on a newly created map discussion/editors page G greg e (talk) 03:18, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Ill be using this page here  Map Discussion and Changelog (Night of the Living Alternate History Map Game) We don't really need another page, just post it here.

Check out the map... working on Antartica, i need a sit report on Europe and Asia  to continue

I posted this on Imperium Guy's talk page:

Here are a few changes that need to be made on your current map.


 * Montana should be under US control done
 * Pittsburgh (southwest Pennsylvania shouldn't be US) added to Erie
 * Susquehanna needs to be added already is...a different shade has been applied
 * All of Key West should be the Conch Republic (light blue) done
 * British Columbia (the province) should be clear it is...dark shade of purple...lighter shade applied
 * British Columbia (the nation in OTL Vancouver) should be colored done
 * Brazil should have all of southern Brazil, including Rio De Janiero, and be touching Bolivia Brazil increased...maybe even more?
 * You should probably remove the zombies at this point since most of them are already removed from the map. Instead just show the nations' borders done
 * France should be touching Brittany through the western coastline done
 * Scandinavia and the Confederation of the Baltics (although holding strong ties) should probably be different colors since right now its kind of confusing done
 * The USSR controls all of the Turkish occupied processions in Romania and should control all of the coast, into Bulgaria.
 * The USSR controls Crimea
 * Canada doesn't control Greenland according to their posts, they colonized the coastal regions of it, for now i shall leave it
 * Jutland is not controlled by Scandinavia or the Confederation of the Baltics (uncolored) done
 * The German, Italian, and Baltic city states of Brunswick, Lüneburg, Ingria, Livonian Confederation, Hesse, Oldenburg, Anhalt, Pomerania, Bavaria, Venice, Frankfurt, Oldenburg should be marked out in some way or left uncolored left uncolored for now
 * The Teutonic Order should be colored I think I did this correctaly 
 * Austria should be colored done
 * Oman should be uncolored it is
 * Alaska should control all of OTL Alaska, including the islands north of Vancouver done
 * Japan should be cleared of zombies done
 * Saudi Arabia should control all of OTL Saudi Arabia done
 * The Soviets should control Turkish Rize, Erzurum, and everything from there to the border, and south to Lake Van done
 * The EHU (use Saudi Arabia's color) controls Turkish Bingol, Mus, everything between Lake Van and Diyarbikar, Hatay, and the area near Adana done, I am using a different green, since its not Saudi Land, but its semi-related

Thanks, Mscoree (talk) 13:35, May 12, 2013 (UTC) My responses are Italicized G greg e (talk) 

Antarctica claims are as follows (even if not shown on the map): USA 150W to 180 1975 (after UR claims), UR 150W to 20W 1972, 1974, Norwegian successor state inherits 20W to 44E, Commonwealth 44 to French claim (light blue) then to 180. Florida also claims 80E to 180, overlapping Commonwealth and inherited French claims 1975 after US claims

Ideally all nations with a government need to be colored, so that will be the next update: lets start another list!!!G greg e (talk)

Frankly, having zombies on the map would make things less confusing. OreoToast555(Talk) 21:01, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

More changes:
 * Cyprus needs to be US colored since it is currently occupied.
 * EHU should have one province more to the west (Adana, north of Cyprus) and three more provinces to the north.
 * The Soviets have pushed two provinces west.
 * France has taken Paris.
 * Oman still needs to uncolored.
 * Yemen needs to be colored

Mscoree (talk) 12:47, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * added Yemen, other European City-states that appear to have government in recent mod events

The Galapagos Islands should be Colombia colored. Mscoree (talk) 15:07, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

The changes from the Treaty of Dubai need to be added. Mscoree (talk) 19:13, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Eastern Turkey should be given back to Turkey, except for the area around Adana (to EHU). Mscoree (talk) 02:36, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

The new borders from the Treaty of Albuquerque need to be added. Doctor Evulz (talk) 14:00, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Brazil's new borders need to be added. Mscoree (talk) 14:42, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

A new nation arround New Delhi, India, needs to be added Mr YOLO (talk) 16:41, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

'''I've taken the last few requests and made them into a list. From now on all requests should be added to this list.''' Mscoree (talk) 17:34, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

TO DO LIST
Want to contribute more to this map game, but don't know where to start? Try doing one of these simple tasks, which can greatly improve the map game. Here's your opportunity to really show your creativity.

Nations
If you have not already done so, please create a short profile for your nation detailing some basic information and history. Just click on your nation below to get started. If you have created a nation, but your nation isn't list on the template, contact Mscoree so it can be added.

The above template should also appear at the bottom of your nation profile, and at the bottom of all NotLAH pages.

Feel free to start contributing to the other pages as well.

Here is an example of a nation profile: here. Copy the text on that page (in source) and paste it onto your nation page (in source), then change the information.

The Nations page is also in need of improvement. You can help by adding your nation's information.

You can also add your current territories and colonies to the Territories page.

Art
Here are some art/map/flag stuff that you can do.
 * Make flags (see below)
 * Add already existing flags to the nations on the main page

Flags
Nations that need flags. Try to be logic with flag creation by researching the region and creating a flag that positively displays that regions roots/mother country.
 * Juarez
 * Republic of Alaska (Alaskan Rebels)
 * Northwest Federation
 * Forgottonia
 * Isle of Wight
 * London
 * Northern Ireland
 * Wu

Wars
Navigate to the Wars page and begin adding information for each war and battle.

Here is an example of a war page: here.

Featured NotLAH Article
This could be YOUR page:

On the portal page there is a new section for featured articles. This prestigious award will be given out each month to a well written article. Start making pages, and your page might be selected for next month. Good luck everyone! Mscoree (talk) 12:45, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Featured

 * United States April
 * Human-Zombie War May
 * Middle East War June

Proposals

 * Star Wars - I think this page is suitable to be featured.
 * United Republics - While I am still finishing and continue to update this page, I think it finally is presentable.
 * Treaty of Susquehanna - Is it okay? Daeseunglim (talk) 16:49, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Was this intended for the article proposal section, or to be featured? Mscoree (talk) 22:10, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Discussion
=General Discussion=

Indian Conference
This conference between the nations of the ULN has been called to discuss the liberation of the Indian subcontinent from the zombie horde, provide adequate humanitarian aid to its people, and establish a stable government in the region.

Strategy
A joint military invasion of India, possibly from Sri Lanka, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. Nations in the fighting will occupy certain areas of India until a stable government can be established.

Possible divisions of India:

Mscoree will edit this map as people begin to claim zones in the discussion.

Discussion

 * United States: We propose assembling an invasion force in Bangladesh and Pakistan to enter northern India from land. Naval forces can bombard the southern regions, stationed at Sri Lanka, and help to liberate the coast. We propose to occupy the southern tip of India (in blue).
 * Japan: Prime Minister Yasuhiro Nakasone proposes to liberate and occupy Kerala. Some fleets will be sent to Kochi, and will liberate the state of Kerala from there.
 * United Republics: Will liberate and occupy the regions of Goa, Darda and Nagar Haveli, Daman and Diu, and the Western third of Maharashtra to 25 miles east of the cities of Pune and Nashik and the road connecting them.
 * Russian Federation: We will come in from the west by an amphibious landing force and occupy most provinces bordering Nepal and Calcutta.
 * Austria: We will aid and assit other ULN nations in occupying India, but Austria will not be able to send enough troops to occupy a province ourselves. Rather we will be focused on military matters in Central Europe.
 * United States: We propose that the area on the eastern coast be joint occupied between the US, Austria, HRE, and other supporting nations.
 * Commonwealth: We will take the southernmost provinces.
 * United States: The southernmost provinces are already claimed.
 * Actually Commonwealth, South Africa, and UR origionally planned this operation in a meeting (on chat) and made rough claims during that. Commonwealth did say they were planning on making a claim on the Southernmost portion of India at that time. This was before the plan was announced to the CSTO or UN. G greg e (talk)
 * Chat is out of character and are therefore not legitimate claims, just declarations of intentions. Since these nations claimed their areas in game they will be selected. Mscoree (talk) 01:30, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand the chat is not a part of the game. But still he proposed the idea on here and to the CSTO, just because you posted the discussion to the talk page does not mean you should get first dibs, especially since he posted and proposed the idea in the first place. G greg e (talk) 01:46, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Regardless, I believe the Commonwealth's claims in chat were different in the first place. I seem to remember him claiming the northern areas, but I could be wrong. I do know that I called my section in chat, since I kept saying "4" after Imp posted that map with numbers on it. Mscoree (talk) 02:12, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * I claimed the southernmost areas. canada2hy.jpg Hypothetical Alberta Blue Ensign.svg Flag of Australasian team for Olympic games.svg OreoToast555(Talk) 03:26, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * New Romania: We would like to claim any smaller portion of the country that remains untaken.
 * Russian Diplomacy: This isn't about claiming land, this is about areas in which our forces will cleanse the area of the infection.
 * Wu Diplomacy: However, we would like to claim the disputed territories from the Sino-Indian War of 1962.
 * Wu: As we are bordering India, we would assist zombie-cleansing and provide humanitarian aid in the provinces  Arunachal Pradesh, Assam, Nagaland, Meghalaya, Tripura, Mizoram, Manipur. Also, we would like to have joint Sino-Russian humanitarian aid cooperation in the provinces West Bengal, Jharkhand, Bihar, Uttar Pradesh, Delhi, Uttarakhand, Himachal Pradesh, Jammu and Kashmir, Haryan, Chandigarn and Punjab. Last but not least, Wu has been allowing Indian immigrants to come in to China to prevent them from being captured by zombies.
 * Republic of Italy: We would like to liberate from zombies the region of Gujarat, and then, occupy it. If Gujarat is already claimed, then we would like the cities of Jamnagar and Rajkot.
 * The areas Wu is claiming has already been discussed in the CSTO as belonging to the South Africans for clear up operations. We will resist any attempts to encroach on our sphere of influence. We would also like to point out that we have Indian desendants from the Colonial Era in the Eastern Section of the country, who would not like the Chinese to interfere in any way. As the Russians are in the CSTO with South Africa, we expect the Russians to back us up on this.
 * Russian Diplomacy: As part of the CSTO we will back you up, Wu may not interfere in this operation.
 * Russia and South Africa, this isn't a popularity contest. Furthermore nothing you claim is in your sphere of influence, it is just temporarily occupied. The whole point of the conference is to determine the best plan of action and negotiate which sections we will help liberate, so start negotiating/working together, not causing schisms!
 * Russian Diplomacy: We realize that, but Wu claimed that they are trying to take back disputed territories that were lost from the Sino-Indian War of 1962.
 * They have claim to this region, which they do in OTL, which is why it is disputed. Anyway, that has nothing to do with South Africa. You should feel ashamed of yourself for attemtping to stop aid from going to those in need because of grudges and politics! SHAME!
 * Russian Diplomacy: Ok then.
 * Scandinvia is up for the liberation. We do not really care where we occupy, but do not want to fight over the area, either. If we don't occupy anything, we'd be fine.
 * The New Indian Hindu Republic: We got a base in New Delhi and a stable government. We like to have the territory surrounded us. We got a weak military and we can't handle it ourselve.

Please be Careful!
Somehow when Northern California posted my turn got deleated. If someone can recouver my turn please do so. I cant remember every little detail i typed. G greg e (talk) 01:45, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Your turn has been recovered. Mscoree (talk) 01:52, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I'm sorry. i'm such a slowpoke on typing my post, that's why i sometimes accidentally delete someone's post. IstocnoSarajevo (talk) 02:50, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Causi Bell
Political Blunder (-1)

Objective(s)
War of Unification (0)

Total:
No stability loss.

I redid the declarations because Edboy did it horribly wrong. Mscoree (talk) 13:26, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

Okay thanks for that. This is UglyTurtle, Signing off.  15:44, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

Objective(s)
Install Democratic Government (+2)

Total:
No stability loss.

I redid the declarations because Edboy did it horribly wrong. Mscoree (talk) 13:26, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

Security Conference
This conference between the Republic of California and the Meritocratic Republic of Dinetah has been called to discuss the security in the Southwest and the its liberation from the Emancipators.

Discussion
Texas would like to participate. Doctor Evulz (talk) 02:35, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

You can. IstocnoSarajevo (talk) 04:55, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, to begin this conference, I'd like to ask you on you opinion of me removing the mafia from Las Vegas. Bfoxius (talk) 15:40, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

The less of the Mafia the better. We did similar things in Juarez. Doctor Evulz (talk) 15:56, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

Do you think that the Emancipators are a major threat? If so, what extent should we go to to pacify them? Bfoxius (talk) 22:16, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

Yes. the Emancipators are a major threat. The assassin who killed the former North Californian PM Manuel Perez could be one of them. And we also once deployed troops in Las Vegas to monitor mafia activity. IstocnoSarajevo (talk) 01:02, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

I honestly think that the Emancipators, and especially Revere are a danger to the Southwest. Revere is in Dinetan custody, what should we do to him? I also think that Las Vegas should be one of our protectorate, to protect them from further mafia control. Bfoxius (talk) 18:26, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe hand Revere over to North Californian custody and hang him side by side with conspirators who proved guilty of the assassination, to be aired live on North California's state television. We also ask permission to broadcast the hanging on foreign airwaves, especially Dinetah. IstocnoSarajevo (talk) 04:44, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

Sounds good. Bfoxius (talk) 00:21, June 22, 2013 (UTC)

Allied Forces (Using South Korea's Stats)

 * Location: 4
 * Next to the Location of the War
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * High Ground/Ambush
 * Nations Per Side: 42
 * Russian Federation (MS), Commonwealth (MS), South Africa (MS), Japan (MS), Ukraine (MS), Belarus (MS), Nordic Germany (S), Republic of Italy (MS), New Romania (MS)
 * Motive: 6
 * Motive is Social/Moral
 * Chance: 1
 * UTC Time: 23:43 is 72
 * 72% of 2,660 is 1915.2
 * 1915.2xPi= 6016.77825
 * Chance: 1
 * Military Development: 16
 * Army: 12
 * Navy: 4
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of Troops: 3
 * 1,350,000/500,000=2.7

Total: 109

North Korea

 * Location: 4
 * Next to the Location of the War
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * Open Field, No Cover, ETC
 * Motive: 10
 * Life or Death
 * Military Development: 17
 * Army: 10
 * Industry: 4
 * Navy: 3
 * Chance: 2
 * UTC Time: 23:43 is 72
 * 72% of 346
 * 249.12 x Pi is 782.633562
 * Chance: 2
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of Troops: 0
 * 500,000/1,350,000=0.37037037

Total: 69

Result: Joint CSTO forces have decisively pushed through the Korean DMZ and have surrounded the capital of Pyongyang.

Leave of Abscence
I just wanted to say that after June 24, 2013, i cannot attend to the map game, due to academics. (i mean, it would be first day of school for me, so i think, my last post before starting school is to be a few days before it, or tommorow.) I might be available if i have time, especially holidays. Please DO NOT kick me out for inactivity. my first week in school will be so hectic... i might not log in. IstocnoSarajevo (talk) 04:21, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Understood. Mscoree (talk) 14:02, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Allied Forces (Using South Korea's Stats)
Total: 106
 * Location: 5
 * At the Location of the War
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * High Ground/Ambush
 * Nations Per Side: 42
 * Russian Federation (MS), Commonwealth (MS), South Africa (MS), Japan (MS), Ukraine (MS), Belarus (MS), Nordic Germany (S), Republic of Italy (MS), New Romania (MS)
 * Motive: 6
 * Motive is Social/Moral
 * Chance: 1
 * UTC Time: 19:40 is 36
 * 36% of 2,664 is 1959.04
 * 1959.04xPi= 3012.9130185
 * Chance: 1
 * Military Development: 12
 * Army: 12
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of Troops: 3
 * 1,350,000/500,000=2.7

North Korea
Total: 68
 * Location: 5
 * At the Location of the War
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * High ground/ambush
 * Motive: 10
 * Life or Death
 * Military Development: 14
 * Army: 10
 * Industry: 4
 * Chance: 2
 * UTC Time: 19:40 is 36
 * 36% of 348 is 125.28
 * 125.28 x Pi is 393.578727642
 * Chance: 7
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of Troops: 0
 * 500,000/1,350,000=0.37037037

Result: Joint CSTO forces have decisively captured the city of Pyongyang and begin their advance on Anju.

FYI
I am going to be unable to post the 24th to the 26th of June, and June 29th to July 6th or 7th. I will be out of state in Tennessee on a mission trip. I probably will be out for the last few years sadly :(  I do offer anyone to join my Rebuild Map game.  I am going to restart when possible.  I cannot be full time MOD due to my work schedule, but I will play as the United States.  Pass on this message please to others!!!! Hey, Great Game Everyone!!!!! This was AWESOME!!!!!!! Anyone going to College or starting school (I assume the Southern Hemisphere) Good Luck to you!!!  Mscoree, good game idea, and thanks for letting me play! Daeseunglim (talk) 22:35, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Allied Forces (Using South Korea's Stats)
Total: 110
 * Location: 4
 * Next to the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * Open field
 * Nations Per Side: 42
 * Russian Federation (MS), Commonwealth (MS), South Africa (MS), Japan (MS), Ukraine (MS), Belarus (MS), Nordic Germany (S), Republic of Italy (MS), New Romania (MS)
 * Motive: 6
 * Motive is Social/Moral
 * Chance: 7
 * UTC Time: 1030 is 3
 * 3% of 2,664 is 79.92
 * 79.92xPi= 251.076084875
 * Chance: 7
 * Military Development: 12
 * Army: 12
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of Troops: 3
 * 1,350,000/500,000=2.7

North Korea
Total: 70
 * Location: 4
 * Next to the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * Open field
 * Motive: 10
 * Life or Death
 * Military Development: 14
 * Army: 10
 * Industry: 4
 * Chance: 6
 * UTC Time: 10:30
 * 3% of 353 is 10.59
 * 10.59x Pi is 33.2694662015
 * Chance: 6
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of Troops: 0
 * 500,000/1,350,000=0.37037037

Result: Joint CSTO forces have successfuly advanced to Anju and begin to seige the city.

Allied Forces (Using South Korea's Stats)Edit
Total: 110
 * Location: 4
 * Next to the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * Ambush
 * Nations Per Side: 42
 * Russian Federation (MS), Commonwealth (MS), South Africa (MS), Japan (MS), Ukraine (MS), Belarus (MS), Nordic Germany (S), Republic of Italy (MS), New Romania (MS)
 * Motive: 6
 * Motive is Social/Moral
 * Chance: 6
 * UTC Time: 10:50 is 5
 * 5% of 2,664 is 133.2
 * 133.2xPi= 418.460141458
 * Chance: 6
 * Military Development: 12
 * Army: 12
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of Troops: 3
 * 1,350,000/500,000=2.7

North KoreaEdit
Total: 71
 * Location: 4
 * Next to the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * High ground
 * Motive: 10
 * Life or Death
 * Military Development: 14
 * Army: 10
 * Industry: 4
 * Chance: 6
 * UTC Time: 10:30
 * 5% of 355 is 17.75
 * 17.75x Pi is 55.7632696012
 * Chance: 6
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of Troops: 0
 * 500,000/1,350,000=0.37037037

Result: CSTO forces have decisively sieged Anju.

Scandinavia Invaision Force

 * Location: 3


 * Close to the location of the war


 * Tactical Advantage: 1


 * Open Water and Field


 * Nations Per Side: 0


 * Scandinavia (L)


 * Motive: 5


 * Motive is Political


 * Chance


 * UTC Time: 4:02 is 8


 * 8% of 510 is 40.80


 * 40.80 x Pi= 128.112


 * Chance: 8


 * Military Development: 28


 * Army: 25


 * Naval: 3


 * Stability: 25


 * Participation: 10


 * Number of Troops: 10


 * 200,000/20,000=10

Total: 91

Nordic Germany

 * Location: 4


 * Near the Location of the War


 * Tactical Advantage: 2


 * High ground/ambush


 * Motive: 10


 * Life or Death


 * Military Development: 14


 * Army: 10


 * Industry: 4
 * Chance
 * UTC Time: 4:02 is 8


 * 8% of 1089 is 87.12


 * 125.28 x Pi is 273.5568


 * Chance: 3


 * Stability: 25


 * Participation: 10


 * Number of Troops: 0


 * 20,000/200,000=

Total: 68

Result:  Scandinavia succesfully lands outside of Kiel. Though looses some troops.

Wait until 21:00 UTC to post the Battle of Kiel.

Sorry
My computer has been acting odd for some reason. I was in the middle of an edit and it put up the code. Sorry. Daeseunglim (talk) 15:23, June 22, 2013 (UTC)

Scandinavia Invaision Force

 * Location: 3
 * Close to the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * Open Water and Field
 * Nations Per Side: 0
 * Scandinavia (L)
 * Motive: 5
 * Motive is Political
 * Chance
 * UTC Time: 7:02 is 14
 * 14% of 510 is 71.40
 * 71.4 x Pi= 224.196
 * Chance: 4
 * Military Development: 28
 * Army: 25
 * Naval: 3
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of Troops: 1

250,000/180,000 =1.3

Total: 77

Nordic Germany

 * Location: 5
 * Near the Location of the War
 * Makeshift Defenses: 3
 * Motive: 10
 * Life or Death
 * Military Development: 14
 * Army: 10
 * Industry: 4
 * Chance
 * UTC Time: 7:02 is 14
 * 14% of 1089 is 152.46
 * 152.46 x Pi is 478.7244
 * Chance: 8
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of Troops: 0

150,000 HRE

30,000 Nordic Germany

Total: 75

Result:  Scandinavia enters the city of kiel, but the casualites are extreme. Battle is for the begining of this turn, I did it yesterday, but forgot to post it last night, my badG greg e (talk)"

The number of soldiers in Kiel is incorrect, it should be '216,000. Mscoree (talk) 20:53, June 22, 2013 (UTC)'

'''I don't think it makes a difference though. Mscoree (talk) 21:59, June 22, 2013 (UTC)'''

'''This question might be kind of irrelevant but I always wanted to ask it. If they HRE city states attack somebody, would all of those little tiny city states be added to algorithm in Nations Per Side or will it just be Holy Roman Empire in Nations Per Side?''' Edboy452 (talk) 23:47, June 22, 2013 (UTC)

They count if they are a significant amount or nation in the battle. ie. as Nordic Germany retreats into the Holy Roman Empire if they lose their capital city, the major players of the HRE will count in the algo as a nation per side of war. G greg e (talk) 00:46, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

French war with the HRE
Casus Belli: None (+3)

Objective: War of Unification (0)

Stability Drop: -3

Mscoree
I think we need to at least temporarily revoke Mscoree's Head Mod powers. He silences criticism and he violated what should be a fundamental rule of any map game. He manipulated a country (the Confederate States of Arkansas) that was neither his country nor a vassal. Yank 00:57, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Yank, you manipulated my country back in the Texas Border Wars and you had no change in status. Yes, he shouldn't have done it, but he deserves another chance so long as he stops. Doctor Evulz (talk) 01:04, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough. We should at least keep an eye on him to see if he does anything else. On another note, I love what you're doing with the Know Nothing Party. It looks like their shaping up to be an American Taliban. Yank 01:13, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

The nation of Arkansas is comprised of anti-American radicals, KKK members, and Neo-Confederates, who fired upon Americans in the Delta years ago, and were prosecuted and forced to flee to Arkansas. They have been hostile toward the US since. Is is really so hard to believe that a few locals would fire a shot or two at the Americans as they "invaded"?

Furthermore, you become overly attached to NPC city states and micro nations that you create. You were bias in favor of the Southwest League during the Texan Border War, and you are now. Mscoree (talk) 02:16, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

As I wrote below, I apologize for deleting Local's comment. I move them to the talk page, and encourage others to post on the talk page questions and comments, so it looks clearer. Mscoree (talk) 02:26, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Scandinavia Invaision Force

 * Location: 3


 * Close to the location of the war


 * Tactical Advantage: 1


 * Open Water and Field


 * Nations Per Side: 0


 * Scandinavia (L)


 * Motive: 5


 * Motive is Political


 * Chance


 * UTC Time: 1:55 is 25


 * 25% of 537 is  134.25


 * 134.25 x Pi= 421.545


 * Chance: 1


 * Military Development: 28


 * Army: 25


 * Naval: 3


 * Stability: 25


 * Participation: 10


 * Number of Troops: 2

350,000/210,000 = 1.666

Total: 75

Nordic Germany

 * Location: 5


 * Near the Location of the War


 * Makeshift Defenses: 3


 * Nations Per Side: 18


 * Nordic Germany (L), HRE (M), RoS (M), Russia (S), Ukraine (S), Greece (S), Thrace (S), Belarus (S), Bulgaria (S)


 * Motive: 10


 * Life or Death


 * Military Development: 14


 * Army: 10


 * Industry: 4


 * Chance


 * UTC Time: 1:55 is 25


 * 25% of 1089 is 272.25


 * 272.25 x Pi is 854.865


 * Chance: 4


 * Stability: 25


 * Participation: 10


 * Number of Troops: 0

150,000 HRE Troops

10,000 RoS Military Forces

50,000 Nordic Germany

Total: 89

'''This Algo is not finalized and is subject to change by me or a moderator. '''

Result:   Reienforcements and supplies arrive just in time for Nordic Germany to retake and push Scandinavian Soldiers out of Kiel

Local's Question
For Christ's sake, the UK hasn't posted in a month and yet it is still a country, I don't post for a couple of days and get invaded. Local (talk)

Mscoree, answer his question, don't delete it. Doctor Evulz (talk) 00:32, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

It's not a question, and we have a talk page. Mscoree (talk) 02:00, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

I apologize for deleting the message at first, but I encourage people to ask here on the talk page sine a large conversation inside the moderator event looks bad. I don't know what war you're referring to, but if you mean London, that had nothing to do with you being away. England just really wanted London back. Besides England is in disarray as we speak. Mscoree (talk) 02:21, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Well, you usually move the discussion to the talk page, but this time you didn't. All you did was delete it, which would normally be wrong. However, I'm sure it was a mistake. Anyways, I noticed it wasn't a question, but I couldn't find another word for it at the time. Doctor Evulz (talk) 02:41, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

I deleted it since Local has posted a number of comments about London and the UK in the past, and he was basically ranting. If he has any questions however, I'm happy to answer them. Mscoree (talk) 02:45, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

I understand now. Sorry for the confusion. Doctor Evulz (talk) 03:43, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

That wasn't a rant, when people don't post, you should kick them, it is in the rules, and for the UK, they have remained a country despite the fact that the player left a long time ago, and they keep defeating the rebels, so please explain why that is... Local (talk)

French Invasion of Baden-Württemberg
Waiting on response from Italy and Austria to assist S&F

France
Total: 93
 * Location: 3
 * Close
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * Ambush
 * Nations Per Side: 8
 * Brittany (MSV), Picardy (MSV)
 * Motive: 5
 * Motive is political
 * Chance:
 * UTC Time: 1:55 is 25
 * 25% of 3,664 is 916
 * 916xPi= 2876.24
 * Chance: 7
 * Military Development: 30
 * Army: 3x10=30
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of Troops: 2.99 = 3
 * 500,000/167,000 =

Baden-Württemberg
Total: 71 Algo is not finalized and is subject to change by either G greg e (talk) or a moderator. Result: 
 * Location: 5
 * At the War
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * High ground
 * Nations Per Side: 11
 * HRE (M), Switzerland (M), RoS (MS)
 * Motive: 10
 * Life or Death
 * Military Development: 14
 * Army: 10
 * Industry: 4
 * Chance: 4
 * UTC Time: 1:55
 * 25% of 324 is 81
 * 81x Pi is 254.34
 * Chance: 4
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of Troops: 0
 * 50,000 German Militia, 20,000 S&F, 100,000 Swiss, 7,000 RoS
 * 167,000/500,000=0

'''Firstly, remove the (L) from the nations on side section. This was removed from the algorithm. Only list other nations. '''Mscoree (talk) 02:35, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

I assume this is the initial invasion algorithm, from before Austria's retaliation. Mscoree (talk) 02:47, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

'''No, this it the current turn's battle, 1. Austria hasnt been inserted into the Algo, because the Austrian nor Italian player has posted nothing in regard to preparing troops for the French invaison. 2. According to my understanding of the French's turns they declared war this turn and thus the first battle began as of now. '''

'''You forgot my tanks, warships, and helicopters. They will help. Daeseunglim (talk) 02:57, June 23, 2013 (UTC)'''

'''@RoS. 1. How exacatally do you get your tanks, warships, and helicopters across the atlantic? Also that would qualify as an S. I will add that to the Algo now. G greg e (talk) 03:00, June 23, 2013 (UTC)'''

'''I own Socotra. I stationed tanks, ships, and helicopters there in case there was an event like this. Daeseunglim (talk) 11:17, June 23, 2013 (UTC)'''

'''Sending tanks, helicopters, and other various military vehicles does not even give you any bonus in the algorithm. Only the number of troops that you have increases the amount of points you get in the algorithm.''' Edboy452 (talk) 16:02, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

WOW.
THIS IS JUST ASTONISHING, Despite my predictions of possible failure of this game and suggestions to "Help" it stay afloat.

We're doing a whole lot better than the "popular" PMII (its a good game, i find it too complex personally)

Good job NotLAH!!!



Thank you to everyone who helped and participated so far. I think at one point we were even 35 to 20. Mscoree (talk) 20:12, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Does anyone know the record for this? NotLAH's definitely near the top. Doctor Evulz (talk) 20:32, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Is anybody else wondering what the notification is? Local (talk)

FranceEdit
Total: 93
 * Location: 3
 * Close
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * Ambush (would Encirclement Count?
 * Nations Per Side: 8
 * Brittany (MSV), Picardy (MSV)
 * Motive: 5
 * Motive is political
 * Chance:
 * UTC Time: 3:55 is 25 (also Feel free to correct)
 * 25% of 3,664 is 916
 * 916xPi= 2876.24
 * Chance: 7
 * Military Development: 30
 * Army: 3x10=30
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of Troops: 2.99 = 3
 * 600,000/167,000 =

(feel free to correct me and tell me where im wrong, first algo by myself here)

Baden-WürttembergEdit
Total: 71
 * Location: 5
 * At the War
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * High ground
 * Nations Per Side: 11
 * HRE (M), Switzerland (M), RoS (MS)
 * Motive: 10
 * Life or Death
 * Military Development: 14
 * Army: 10
 * Industry: 4
 * Chance: 4
 * UTC Time: 3:55
 * 25% of 324 is 81
 * 81x Pi is 254.34
 * Chance: 4
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of Troops: 0
 * 50,000 German Militia, 20,000 S&F, 100,000 Swiss, 7,000 RoS
 * 167,000/500,000=0