Talk:Vive la Revolution! (Map Game)

France
Just so to correct a small fact: France OTL is still a monarchy and will be until 1792; and in 1789 Louis is still in absolute power de jure. France will become the revolutionary Kingdom of the French only in October of 1789; anything earlier than that, Louis is still in control of an absolute monarchy. Fed (talk) 17:53, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

thanks fed, i didnt know that to be honest, and thats NOT sarcasm DeanSims 17:55, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Map
I'm sorry, but we need a map. Can a mapmaker please obtain one? Monster Pumpkin 18:40, February 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Already done. ChrisL123 19:15, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Colonies
Is there some way to play as the spanish coloneis that are about to emancipate from the mother country? I want to play as the United Provinces of the Rio de la Plata (Argentina), may be a could play the colony as a kind of "vassal" of Spain until the indepencende, the local government was anyway very de facto autonomous by the time. Also, I'd like to be mapmaker too. --Galaguerra1 18:44, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

sure, you have my permission, where is the games real creator though, it would be nice if he would join us. Britain will support you if you declare independance. But start by wrting that Dissent against the crown is rising for a turn or two. DeanSims 19:19, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Be calm, I know my own country's history. I'm not thinking about getting independent until, at least, 1810 decade. Until then, I will being administrating the viceroyality. --Galaguerra1 19:25, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Mapmaker
Hi. I'm SS and I'm playing for the Ottoman Empire. Can I be a mapmaker? I have quite some experience in maps. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:46, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Alliances
I have realized a major flaw in the game. ALL THE PLAYING NATIONS ARE ALLIED TO OTHERS! THERE ARE NO OPPOSING ALLIANCES!

For example, the USA is allied with the UK and France. France is allied with Austria and Prussia. Austria is allied with Russia, Prussia, and the Ottoman Empire. What happens if a war erupts? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:57, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Alliances
Okay, in under a day, this has gone wild implausible. Why the hell with Britain & the US, bitter enemies, ally?! And why would Austria, Russia and Prussia, the principal counter-revolutionary forces and in Austria's case MARIE ANTOINETTE'S HOMELAND WHOSE BROTHER IS IN POWER be friendly with France? AND WHY THE HELL IS FRANCE INVADING ME WITHOUT EVEN GIVING A REASON AND GIVING ME TIME TO ARM UP LAST TURN?! This map game is just RWG trying to turn this into yet another of his Napoleon wanks.

To add to this:


 * Turkey and Austria are mortal enemies and will be until the XX Century.


 * Russia, Austria and Turkey are competing and warring permanently.

Fed (talk) 23:22, February 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Near to every nation France is diplomacing with was counter-revolutionary.

Prussia is not an ally with France, and is quite sore over the monarchy's overthrow. I'm not sure on the other parts. Monster Pumpkin 23:24, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Basically, the picture at right demonstrates the alliances now. And I agree with Fed. How exactly are the Brits and Americans allies? The US just won the revolution! And US-UK tension didn't calm down until the 20th Century, around the late 1890s! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:33, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

I would like to piont out that Prussia's only ally right now is Britain, as they only signed a non-agression pact with Austria. Monster Pumpkin

Let's see the implausible in the graph:


 * US and Britain allied


 * France and Britain


 * Austria and Prussia


 * Austria and Russia


 * Austria and France


 * Ottomans and Russia


 * Ottomans and Austria

... Yeah. Nothing implausble at all, right? *sarcasm* Fed (talk) 23:38, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

And yes, the invasion of France was just downright implausible, especially since Fed didn't post in 1789.0. And technically, Prussia is a French ally, since it is allied with the UK and Austria, both of whom are allied to France.

And Selim III, in actual history, attempted to end the Russo Turkish War of 1787. And here, his goal is accomplished, since the Russians accepted here. And the Ottoman Empire was also at war with the Austrian at the same time; Selim III also tried to end this war, and did in success here. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:41, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Peace isn't equal to friendly enough terms for an alliance. Fed (talk) 23:42, February 19, 2012 (UTC)