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This article is the sandbox subpage for NuclearVacuum. All sections here are only for temporary experiments and or ideas. Some information may be speculative, but under reasonable tensions. All information on here will be removed at one time or another, but not all sections here are permanent (only a few I intend to keep longer than others).


 * User:Mister Sheen/Temp

Featured timelines

 * Great White South:
 * September 2010


 * New Union:
 * July 2011
 * March 2012

Saved images
Here are images I found here, and may find use for (rather than uploading new ones).

Saved links and ideas

 * Primary


 * Parliamentary Seating Chart by Hellerick
 * Russian heraldic (5) (detailed)


 * La Nueva Unión (Spanish New Union)


 * 13 Fallen Stars


 * Suriname (again)
 * was Swedish from 1758 to 1878.
 * was Swedish from 1758 to 1878.


 * Carolina-Virginia border finalized at the.
 * The were ALL from.
 * OMGWTFBBQ &mdash; I knew "Oklahoma" originated from a native name for "Red People" (insult to injury). However, it appears that this name was proposed by a Choctaw Chief, and the original phrase okla humma was well in use among the Choctaw people as a collective term for all Native Americans.
 * Virginian federation?


 * British California
 * States for
 * like unification of and
 * like the
 * like unification of and
 * like the
 * like unification of and
 * like the
 * like unification of and
 * like the


 * With no French Revolution:


 * HRE becomes a united Germany?
 * Hungary separated from Austria/Germany?
 * Hungary separated from Austria/Germany?


 * Dutch unification (Dutch Belgium in a Dutch Kingdom)
 * French Netherlands into France
 * Luxembourg into Germany


 * France controlled all of  from 1795 until 1804 (see  ["St. Dominigue"?]).


 * : Future "Captaincy of California"?
 * was virtually a viceroyalty by 1777?


 * Walker's Line (Carolina-Virginia border)
 * 
 * 


 * (colors)
 * Term lengths by state


 * 
 * 
 * (interesting)
 * (interesting)


 * New England (Disunited)


 * Flag California?




 * New Union


 * as a of


 * Soviet Union Pavilion at Epcot
 * Kaliningrad Disney
 * (Democratic socialist Cuban)
 * (Spanish version says this guy is president??)


 * Red Belt (Русский)




 * Two Americas




 * Others


 * Antioquia (Triunfa, España!)
 * Antioquia Federal (1983: Doomsday)


 * NASSER'S DREAM


 * Talk:Nasser's Dream

Hooray for storytelling
Greetings to you all. Who am I, you may ask? I am just an observer of time and space. Your people have called me by many names. Zeus, God, the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Whatever you want to call me, my purpose here today is to tell you the amazing story that would eventually change your people into an interplanetary species.

Our story begins billions of years ago, but I remember it as if it were yesterday.

New timeline

 * 1962 -  Venus flyby.


 * 1966 - Venera 3 Venus crash-landing (remnants now believed to be somewhere in western Aphrodite).


 * 1967 - Venera 4 Venus landing (now believed to have crashed landed in the Guinevere Sea).


 * 1969 -  manned Moon landing.


 * 1975 - Apollo 18 manned Venus flyby.


 * 1984 - "Vega" manned Venus landing.


 * 1989 - "Mayflower" manned Venus landing.

?????????

 * Neith (neeth)

Population of New Kamchatka

 * Recent census


 * Gagaringrad (~392,758)
 * Vladivenera (~275,921)
 * New Havana (~146,807)
 * Uragansk (~87,614)
 * Korolyovsk (~52,873)
 * Total (975,826)

New nations for Venus
All states marked in bold lettering are independent nations. Nations in parentheses describe the primary government of the state. Entities in italic denote a collectivity/commonwealth. States in quotation marks describe doubt and/or uncertainty towards the name or the state itself.


 * American Venus


 * VHBuffaloflag.png (Canada)
 * Flag of the Federated States (Venusian Haven).svg 
 * Flag.svg Fortune Bay
 * Flag of New Florida (Venusian Haven).svg 
 * Flag.svg "Scientology State" [soon to be obsolete]
 * Flag.svg "Tethus"


 * Arab (Iraqi-Arabian) Venus


 * Flag of Helal (Venusian Haven).svg "" (Al-Helal)
 * Flag.svg "New Kurdistan"
 * Flag.svg "New Palestine"


 * British Venus


 * Flag.svg "Betashire"
 * Flag.svg "Metisire"
 * Flag of Scotland.svg ""


 * Chinese Venus


 * Flag of Leda (Venusian Haven).svg
 * Flag.svg "New Pyongyang" (North Korea) [maybe]
 * Flag.svg "New Tibet"


 * French (Franco-European) Venus


 * Flag of New Quebec (Venusian Haven).svg
 * Flag.svg Themis
 * Flag.svg Cassini


 * Japanese Venus


 * Japanese Venus flag by Hellerick 3.svg 


 * Soviet Venus


 * Flag of New Kamchatka (Venusian Haven).svg 
 * Flag.svg 
 * Flag.svg Devana
 * Flag.svg "Imdr"
 * Flag.svg New Caucasia
 * Flag.svg New Crimea
 * Flag.svg "New India" (India)
 * Flag.svg New Prussia (Germany[s])
 * Flag of New Saigon (Venusian Haven).svg (Vietnam)
 * Flag.svg New Turkmenistan
 * Flag.svg "New Warsaw" (Czechoslovakia and Poland)
 * Flag.svg Rusalka
 * Flag.svg Sapas

New ideas

 * The Raskat rocket (OTL ) would have been designed to take into account a potential Venus mission. With this extra initiative, more funding and men would help assure the mission to become a success.


 * Lunokhod 1 (OTL ) would successfully reach the Moon in early 1969. Despite the Soviets being able to claim the first "tracks" on the Moon, it would be nothing compared to the "footsteps" made by American astronauts later in 1969. But due in great part to the success of the Lunokhod program, it would not ruin the Soviet moonshot to take place in the early '70s.


 * The Gerkules-Raskat program (OTL N1-L3) would lead to five successful Soviet moon missions between 1971 and 1975. would become the first Soviet to land on the Moon.


 * Despite a successful Soviet moonshot, the Apollo program would not send any more missions to the Moon beyond Apollo 17. Instead, the program would gradually be modified to become a Venus program. Apollo 18 would become the first successful in 1974 (rather than OTL's ). The USSR may (or may not) also do their  mission around the same time.


 * The "Vega" program (potential name; based on OTL [because it would have happened around the same time and I love the name "Vega"]) would become the Soviet manned landing of Venus. Taking place in 1985, the USSR would win the "Second Space Race." The program would send two missions between 1984 and 1986. The mission would be a modified TMK-E mission.
 * Since Venus' atmosphere is as thick as Earth's (either OTL or ATL), the USSR decides to quicken their mission by not designing a return mission. So in short, the Vega missions were a one-way mission. (I will work on this to see if this is a suitable thing to do on either side).


 * An American mission to Venus would take place by the late '80s. Other nations would include a joint ESA mission in the late '90s, and a Japanese, Chinese, and potential Arab mission by today.
 * I consider Saddam Hussein to be crafty enough to consider an Iraqi mission to Venus. His space program was expanding. Had it not been for the invasion of Kuwait, we may have seen an Iraqi astronaut by OTL. With Venus being promising, he may seek cooperation (rather than intimidation) in the Arab world. The oil-rich nations may show interest in a joint-Arab mission, leading to a Pab-Arabian Space Agency, and a strong Arab League/Union.


 * Participating nations/organization


 * USSR and USA &mdash; Self-explanatory. Moving on.


 * France and ESA &mdash; Prior to the PRC, was on the verge of a manned-spaceflight mission. With Venus as a destination, the French-dominated ESA would definitely become a Venusian power. Also a note, Canada cooperated as part of ESA's  (plus ), Canada is squished between ESA and NASA.


 * Great Britain &mdash; I initially opposed the UK becoming a Venusian power. I support European integration, which would have had the UK as part of ESA. However, after getting inspired by someone who has a strong passion for the British space program, as well as doing some history on the matter, I now can see the UK working towards a successful space program. Plus, since originally creating this timeline, I have become a Whovian who supports the "New British Empire." However, my only concern would be the UK's position between the US, USSR, and ESA.


 * China and Japan &mdash; pretty much also self-explanatory.


 * Iraq and the "Arab Union" &mdash; While nowhere near the US or USSR, Iraq's space program would be an interesting place to look. With Venus such a juicy target, Saddam may see Venus as a better way to solidify his power than his invasion of Kuwait. I am confident that many nations would automatically support him (such as Libya and Syria), while others (like Saudi Arabia and Kuwait) would grow more interested in the space race. With Saudi wealth backing an Iraqi-backed space program, Hussein may actually achieve the fame and position as an Arab unifier. A Pan-Arab Space Agency (PASA) would be inevitable, while the ideas of a stronger "Arab Union" could come out of the mix. The Arab Spring will have to be looked into.


 * Mission dates?


 * USSR &mdash; 1984 (Gagaringrad)
 * USA &mdash; 1990 (Kennedy City)
 * ESA &mdash; ~1990s
 * UK &mdash; ~1990s
 * Japan &mdash; ~2000s
 * China &mdash; ~2000s
 * Iraq &mdash; ~2000s
 * India &mdash; ~2010s
 * Iran &mdash; ~2010s


 * Colonial comparison


 * to Commonwealth of Virginia (169 years)
 * to State of New York (150 years)
 * to Canada (104 years)
 * New South Wales to Australia (113 years)
 * Salt Lake City to Utah (49 years)
 * Gagaringrad to New Kamchatka (17 years?)

While the regions may look big, most of the area is claimed land.

Koshmar

 * Main article:, 


 * System: Solaria (Solar System)
 * Biosphere: Venusiana (Venus)
 * Kingdom: Tereshkovia (Animal-like)
 * Phylum: c/s
 * Class: Pseudokoris (False bug)
 * Order: c/s
 * Family: c/s
 * Genus: c/s
 * Species: incubus

Note to self

 * Ishtar is in Venus' north pole. Venus rotates backwards due to being flipped upside-down. However, Ishtar is still located on the top of Venus maps. Is Ishtar actually in Venus' south pole? Either way, ASB will solve the problem. XP


 * If Venus has a moon that is about the same size and distance as ours, it would be very likely that Neith would have been discovered much earlier in history. In comparison, a viewer on Mars would see the Earth as a "double star," with the Moon being visible. How would this affect humanity?


 * Potential Neith solution: Early studies placed Neith at about 402458 km from Venus, with an orbit of 11 days. According to Kepler's laws of planetary motion, this can't be (an orbit that far would've had a longer orbit period). A potential solution, make them intersect half-way. An orbit almost 300,00 km, with a period of 18 days. This would also make a larger moon in the Venusian sky. Something to make a trip to Venus even more special.

Governmental hierarchy

 * Collectivity &mdash; a type of pseudo-government which unites several colonies, but holds little to no solidarity other than allowing a solid voice back to Earth. Many describe them as how the were not united, but close in relations. The term commonwealth is also used to describe this type of unity on Venus.

Afghanistan and Pashtunistan

 * Main articles:, 

With the continuation of the USSR, 's government is secured with the continued funding from Moscow. With extra time to work, Najibullah would continue on his moves for reconciliation and reforms. In 1993, after years of living in exile, former king decides to return to Afghanistan. Despite pressure from the west (specifically from the United States), Shah decided to return for the good of the Afghan people. Polls held in Afghanistan found that the vast majority supported Shah having some sort of political position. While he didn't return to reclaim his thrown, he was more than happy to work for his people.

Just as feared by the west, Shah's return began the gradual ceasefire of the Mujaheddin. (leader of the Northern Alliance) ordered his men to stand down, not wanting to fight the same government which had the king working within it. By 1994. peace talks between the Northern Alliance and Kabul began. What came out was that Najibullah would not seek reelection upon the end of his term in office (around 1997). He would also appoint Shah as his Prime Minister, and Massoud as his Defense Minister. This cooperation would pay off in the long run.



Despite the northerners supporting peace, the southern Mujaheddin showed no support. The southern factions (lead by ) were pro-Pakistani and Islamist, with the return of the king meant nothing. Backed by Pakistan's hatred that the Soviet-backed government was remaining in power, Civil War would break out again by late 1994. As was during the 1980s, the secretly back Pakistan and the Pakistani-backed "Islamic Republic of Afghanistan," offering aid and weapons. However, this would change by the late 1990s. With friendlier relations with the USSR, the Clinton administration began to lax their support for Hekmatyar, ending the American hopes of having the Soviets "cling to their helicopters" as did the Americans after the.

In the long run, the war remained in favor of Kabul. Lead by the man who lead to the end of Soviet occupation, with the added irony that it was the Soviets who were now aiding him. By 1998, Hekmatyar began to change the strategy from reclaiming Afghanistan into a Pashtun liberation. In 1999, the "Islamic Republic of Afghanistan" became the. This would greatly affect the war, as the southern Mujaheddin would focus all their men to protecting southern independence.

After years of fighting and attempted peace plans, a ceasefire is agreed upon in 2000. Pashtunistan remained in control of the southernmost provinces of Afghanistan, leading to the international debate that continues to this day.

Within Afghanistan, the road to recovery would take place. Despite being in a state of readiness against a second wave of fighting, Afghanistan has become peaceful. In 1997, the first democratic elections take place. With an almost unanimous victory, become President.

ASSRs

 * Main article:, Template:NU-USSR


 * Birobidzhan &mdash;


 * Chukotka &mdash; and


 * Evenkia &mdash;


 * Gorno-Altai &mdash;


 * Gorno-Badakhshan &mdash;


 * Khakassia &mdash;


 * Königsberg &mdash;


 * Mughan &mdash;


 * Nakhchivan &mdash;


 * Samoyedia &mdash;, , and


 * Volgaland &mdash;


 * Yugra &mdash;

Kaliningrad to Königsberg

 * With no "self rule rights" that were part of OTL Russia's 1993 constitution, the issue of being an exclave would become an active issue in Kaliningrad.
 * Many factions come out for a separated region, most supporting becoming an autonomous republic.
 * As part of the Saint Petersburg Compromise, the region would become the "Autonomous Republic of Königsberg" (also renaming the capital of Kaliningrad to Königsberg).

Template
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Capitals of the SSRs

 * Grozny?


 * : Соьлжа-ГӀала (Sölƶa-Ġala; "City on the ")


 * Солжа-Гала
 * Солжакала/Solzhakala (based on Akhmadkala [Akhmad-Ghala])

GOASIE

 * See also: 

(Gulf of Aden: Soviet, Indian, Eritrean/Ethiopian) is a naval exercise held between the Soviet Union, India, and Eritrea. Other clear members would be South Yemen and maybe Ethiopia (which still operates a flotilla of ships around ).


 * Reasons


 * Soviet-Indian cooperation
 * Securing the continuation of Eritrea's navy.
 * Joint cooperation between Ethiopia and Eritrea. Cooperation from "Ethiopian Flotilla."


 * Notes


 * South Yemen wanted to participate in the first exercise, but opted not to in fear of provoking North Yemen. The DRY would participate in future exercises.

New POD for New Union

 * Main article: New Union

Considering that I know very little about the four men in the initial coup plot, it seems too "hopeful" for me to say that they getting drunk is a solution. I eventually chose this POD because I found it ironic that alcoholism (a major problem in the USSR that Gorbachev was trying to tackle) would lead to the downfall of this coup. Because of this gaping hole, I have decided to go back to my initial idea. Please note that I have been considering whether or not to change the POD for months now.

My initial idea was the notorious accident record of the (which were flying the men to the Crimea). The idea is simple, the plane crashes. No coup, very simple. Kinda... too simple. This is why I thought it sounded stupid before. I forgot all about it until I came across a timeline which is strikingly similar to my own. This made me realise that if someone else thought about it, than why not go back to it. Also (to make me feel better about it), I thought about this idea in 2010 (a year before this timeline came out).

More to come later

Soviet Armed Forces International

 * 
 * 


 * Bases


 * (Algeria)
 * (Libya/Cyrenaica)


 * (South Yemen)
 * (Vietnam)
 * (Eritrea)
 * (Syria)

Эфиопия в «Новый Союз»

 * Main articles:  and 



SNNPR
According to Wikipedia, the (SNNPR) "was formed from the merger of the former Regions 7-11" (i.e., Regions 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11). I just came across this map which seems to show four of the five regions.


 * Kaffa
 * Omo
 * Sidama
 * Welayta

It is likely that the position of the word "southern" is blocking the border between Welayta and this last region (which I believe was called either the "Gurage Region" or the "Hadiya Region.")

List

 * 1) Aari (&gt;570,000)
 * 2) Adal (1,411,092)
 * 3) Amhara (18,185,502)
 * 4) Anuak (&gt;200,000)
 * 5) Benishangul (&gt;300,000)
 * 6) Gumuz (&gt;225,000)
 * 7) Gurage (&gt;1,000,000)
 * 8) Hadiya (&gt;1,000,000)
 * 9) Kaffa (&gt;1,000,000)
 * 10) Konso (&gt;400,000)
 * 11) Nuer (&gt;100,000)
 * 12) Ogaden (5,148,989)
 * 13) Oromia (27,158,471)
 * 14) Sidama (&gt;3,000,000)
 * 15) Surma (&gt;400,000)
 * 16) Tigray (4,334,996)
 * 17) Welayta (&gt;3,000,000)

McIntosh

 * The was established in 1995 (well after the original regions). Since it is lowly populated for a sovereign state, and is populated by Oromos, it will not become a republic of ATL Ethiopia, but (at the most) would be a special region within Oromia.


 * All original 12 regions will become republics. Gurage/Hadiya would be the exception. Being a region divided between two distinct ethnic groups (each highly large in numbers), this region will be divided into two republics.

New Republics of Ethiopia

 * Charter cities


 * (capital)
 * (ethnically divided)

Nations 13 Fallen Stars

 * Main articles: 


 * Europe


 * → Scandinavia
 * Genoa → Italy
 * Galicia??
 * → Germany
 * Hungary
 * Illyria → Italy
 * Lucca → Italy
 * Modena → Italy
 * Milan → Italy
 * Papal States → Italy
 * Parma → Italy
 * Piombino → Italy
 * Poland → Russia/Prussia
 * San Marino → Italy (maybe)
 * Sardinia-Piedmont → Italy
 * Sweden → Scandinavia
 * Switzerland
 * Tuscany → Italy
 * → Italy
 * Venice → Italy
 * Sweden → Scandinavia
 * Switzerland
 * Tuscany → Italy
 * → Italy
 * Venice → Italy
 * Venice → Italy


 * Asia


 * British China?
 * Brunei
 * Bukhara → Russia
 * Burma
 * Ceylon (Sri Lanka)
 * Dutch China?
 * Formosa
 * Hong Kong
 * Korea
 * Kuwait
 * India (British India?)
 * Japan
 * Khiva → Russia
 * Macau
 * Malaya (Western Malaysia)
 * → Russia
 * Philippines → Spanish East Indies
 * Portuguese Timor (East Timor)
 * Siam (Thailand)
 * Spanish East Indies (Guam, etc.)
 * Tibet
 * Trucial States (United Arab Emirates)
 * Philippines → Spanish East Indies
 * Portuguese Timor (East Timor)
 * Siam (Thailand)
 * Spanish East Indies (Guam, etc.)
 * Tibet
 * Trucial States (United Arab Emirates)
 * Tibet
 * Trucial States (United Arab Emirates)


 * North America


 * Flag.png
 * Civil Ensign of the Dominican Republic.svg – Antillean Confederation
 * Flag of the Bahamas.svg – Commonwealth of the Bahamas.
 * Flag.png
 * Flag of the Patriote movement (Lower Canada).svg – United Republic of Canada
 * CSA FLAG 4.3.1861-21.5.1861.svg – Carolinian Confederation
 * Flag of Cascadia.svg – Dominion of Cascadia
 * Flag.png
 * Flag.png
 * Flag.png
 * Flag of Jamaica.svg
 * Louisiana Feb 11 1861.svg – Federative Republic of Louisiana
 * Flag of Maryland.svg – Republic of Maryland
 * Flag.png
 * Flag of New England by Edward O’Connor.svg – Federation of New England
 * Newfoundland Tricolour.svg – Dominion of Newfoundland
 * Flag of New Netherland (13 Fallen Stars).svg – Federal Republic of New Netherland
 * Flag of New Spain.svg
 * Flag of Nova Scotia.svg – Dominion of Nova Scotia
 * Flag of Pennsylvania (13 Fallen Stars).svg – Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
 * Flag.png – Collectivity of Saint Barthélemy
 * Flag of Virginia (13 Fallen Stars).svg – Commonwealth of Virginia
 * Flag of the West Indies Federation.svg


 * South America


 * (Guyana)
 * (Suriname)
 * (Argentina)
 * (Suriname)
 * (Argentina)
 * (Argentina)
 * (Argentina)
 * (Argentina)


 * Pategonia?


 * Africa


 * Algeria
 * Azores → Portugal?
 * British Gold Coast (Ghana)
 * British Somaliland (Somaliland)
 * Canary Islands → Spain?
 * (hooray for the Dutch)
 * Cape Verde
 * Comoros
 * Danish Gold Coast (Ghana?)
 * Dutch Gold Coast (Ghana?)
 * French Guinea (Guinea)
 * French Somaliland (Djibouti)
 * Egypt
 * Ethiopia (with or without Eritrea?)
 * Île Bourbon (Réunion)
 * Ivory Coast
 * Madagascar
 * Madeiras → Portugal?
 * Mascarene Islands (Mauritius?)
 * Mauritania
 * Morocco
 * Natal (do you mean Napal???)
 * Portuguese Guinea (Guinea-Bissau)
 * São Tomé and Príncipe
 * Spanish Guinea (Equatorial Guinea)
 * Spanish West Africa (Western Sahara)
 * St Helena Territory
 * Tunisia
 * Spanish Guinea (Equatorial Guinea)
 * Spanish West Africa (Western Sahara)
 * St Helena Territory
 * Tunisia


 * Australasia and Pacific


 * Fiji
 * Hawai`i (HAWAII [NO APOSTROPHE, PEOPLE!!!!])
 * Hawai`i (HAWAII [NO APOSTROPHE, PEOPLE!!!!])


 * Antarctica


 * British Antarctic Territory
 * Danish Antarctic Territory
 * Dutch Antarctic Territory
 * French Antarctic Territory
 * Portuguese Antarctic Territory


 * Russian Antarctic Territory → Continent of Antarctica!!!

13 Fallen Stars: August 2012

 * Divided Vermont between New York and New Hampshire.
 * Norther "New Hampshire" becomes New Englander state of New Connecticut.
 * Carolinian-Virginian border set at ?
 * Virginia gains full control of the south of the  (southern Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio).
 * Area west of the remains British/New Englander?


 * "" to "Yazoo" (Indian Territory/Oklahoma).


 * Northwest Territory notes


 * After the Vermont War, New York cedes its claims to to New England (in exchange for half of Vermont and the elimination of NE-claims to Upstate NY.


 * The Northwest War between Virginia and a NE-UK alliance ends with the NWT being divided at the 41st parallel. Virginia gains the southern portions, while the UK and NE agree to jointly occupy the remaining portions (a la Oregon Country). The Western Reserve remains fully NE.


 * To avoid conflict with Pennsylvania (because of settlers in the Wyoming Valley), NE agrees to sell the Western Reserve to PA.


 * With colonization in the NWT being difficult for NE, Boston offers to sell their claims to the UK in exchange for a favorable border in Maine.


 * The UK will eventually loose control of the NWT when revolution breaks out in Quebec/Canada.

Presidents of New Netherland

 * OTL Presidents


 * (1837-1841) - NY
 * (1850-1853) - NY
 * (1881-1885) - VT
 * (1885-1889, 1893-1897) - NJ
 * (1901-1909) - NY
 * (1913-1921) - VA
 * (1923-1929) - VT
 * (1933-1945) - NY
 * (1953-1961) - TX


 * OTL Vice Presidents


 * (1801-1805) - NY
 * (1805-1812) - NY
 * (1817-1825) - NY
 * "" (1833-1837) - NY
 * "" (1849-1850) - NY
 * (1869-1873) - NY
 * (1877-1881) - NY
 * "" (1881-1881) - VT
 * (1889-1893) - VT
 * (1897-1899) - NJ
 * "" (1901-1901) - NY
 * (1909-1912) - NY
 * (1921-1923) - VT
 * (1974-1977) - ME (family originated from NY)


 * OTL Candidates


 * - NY
 * - NC
 *  - NY
 *  - NJ
 * - VA
 *  - NJ
 * - VT
 * - PA
 * - NY
 * - NH
 * - NY
 * - NY
 *  - NJ
 * - NY
 * - NY
 * - MI
 *  - NY
 *  - NY


 * OTL Secretaries of State


 *  (1789-1790) - NY
 * "" (1829-1831) - NY
 * (1831-1833) - NY(LA)
 * (1861-1869) - NY
 * (1869-1877) - NY
 * (1881-1885) - NJ
 *  (1895-1895) - NY
 *  (1898-1898) - NY
 * (1905-1909) - NY
 * (1915-1920) - NY
 *  (1920-1920) - NY
 * (1921-1925) - NY
 * (1925-1929) - NY
 * (1929-1933) - NY
 * (1953-1959) - DC (maybe NY?)
 *  (1969) - NY
 * (1969-1973) - NY
 * '' (1977) - NY
 * (1982-1989) - NY
 * (2001-2005) - NY

Political Parties of NN

 * Union Party &mdash; (Democratic-Republican equivalent) based on "" and potential . Supported a stronger Federal Assembly, weaker Presidency, and more power to the states. Lead to a constitution which had the "Bill of Rights" within it, and a Federal Assembly based on the . Aside from debating between "New York" and "New Jersey" (both of which ceased to exist upon union) and between factions within (see Bucktails), the party held a monopoly in New Netherland (effectively making NN a single-party state, or a non-partisan state). Other potential names: Unionist, Republican


 *  &mdash; a faction within the party. The faction was against the "" of DeWitt Clinton. Based heavily on the "," the Bucktails would eventually become the basis for a new political party.


 * Liberty Party &mdash; (Democratic Party equivalent) formed from the Bucktails faction of the DRP (lead by Martin Van Buren). Like OTL, the party formed from the spitting of the DRP. The party supported a stronger president, continued states rights. The party was generally pro-immigration, but still dominantly pro-protestant. Equivalent also to the and the.


 * Congressional Party &mdash; (Whig/Republican Party equivalent) formed from the anti-Van Buren faction of the former DRP, this party continued to claim itself as the true Clintonian party (continuing on a stronger legislative branch). The party was also seen as anti-immigration and pro-protestantism. Later in its existence, the party would become imperialist, leading to the rise of the "New Dutch Empire." Other potential names: Republican


 * Progressive Party &mdash; formed in 1912, the Progressive Party was formed by Theodore Roosevelt. Formed from the progressive wing of the "Whig Party," the Progressive Party supported a strong president, greater government control, and continued imperialism. By the 1920s, the party would eventually become the successor to the "Whigs." See.

Elections and List

 * New Jersey, New York

The of  is elected for a three-year term. No term limits were around until the 1950s. Because George Clinton served only three terms (a total of nine years), the consensus stood at a maximum of three terms.

The following list shows the lineup of presidents, vice presidents, and political parties by the number of terms they served. Each year represents the year that an election took place. Elections take place in early November, with the president being interrogated on January 1 the following year.


 * U = Union Party
 * L = Liberty Party
 * C = Congressional Party
 * P = Progressive Party
 * † = Died in office


 * 1792 &mdash; –  (U)
 * 1795
 * 1798
 * 1801 &mdash; –  (U)
 * 1804
 * 1807
 * 1810 &mdash; –  (U)
 * 1813
 * 1816 &mdash; – † (U)
 * 1819
 * 1822
 * 1825 &mdash; –  (U)
 * 1828
 * 1831 &mdash; –  (L)
 * 1834
 * 1837
 * 1840 &mdash; † – (C)
 * 1843 &mdash; –  (C)
 * 1846
 * 1849
 * 1852 &mdash; –  (C)
 * 1855
 * 1858
 * 1861 &mdash; –  (C)
 * 1864
 * 1867
 * 1870 &mdash; –  (L)
 * 1873
 * 1876
 * 1879 &mdash; –  (C)
 * 1882
 * 1885
 * 1888 &mdash; –  (L)
 * 1891
 * 1894
 * 1897 &mdash; † – (C)
 * 1900 &mdash; –  (C)
 * 1903
 * 1906
 * 1909 &mdash; – † (C)
 * 1912 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 1915 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 1918
 * 1921
 * 1924 &mdash; –  (L)
 * 1927
 * 1930 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 1933
 * 1936
 * 1939
 * 1942
 * 1945 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 1948 &mdash; –  (L)
 * 1951
 * 1954
 * 1957 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 1960
 * 1963
 * 1966 &mdash; –  (L)
 * 1969
 * 1972
 * 1975 &mdash; – (L)
 * 1978
 * 1981 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 1984
 * 1987
 * 1990 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 1993
 * 1996
 * 1999 &mdash; –  (L)
 * 2002
 * 2005
 * 2008 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 2011
 * 2014


 * Southard's death happened in the later state of his term. Because of which, it shouldn't be too odd that Frelinghuysen would serve three and a half terms.


 * Fillmore lost the 1844 gubernatorial election to a Massachusite (OTL). He may win ATL, and could run for president by 1852.


 * In the 1891 election, Cleveland nearly lost to opponent Alonzo B. Cornell.


 * William McKinley was assassinated. Roosevelt need reexplaining.


 * Grover Cleveland is an anti-imperialist. How can I work this out.
 * 1861~ - Danish Islands bought
 * 1875~ - Dutch Islands bought
 * 1881~ - Trouble starts in Spanish Colonies
 * 1883~ - Spanish Colonies bought
 * 1884/1885~ - Fiji and Tuvalu annexed
 * 1885/1886~ - Protectorate over Tonga
 * 1886-1895 - Cleveland administration (no expansion)
 * 1892~(1898) - Takeover of islands from new Venezuelan state


 * Garret Hobart was part of the NJ Assembly by 1872. Not too farfetched for him to run for President by 1897.


 * David B. Hill was Clevelands Lieutenant Governor OTL. Since both would be in two separate states ATL, seems okay to have it here and it not be too weird.


 * John Foster Dulles was born in DC (OTL), but his parents (or at least father) was New Yorker.

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New Netherland: The Empire State

 * Main article: 



The Union of New Netherland will also become an imperial power.


 * "Antarctic Territory"
 * (excluding, , and )
 * (excluding, , and )


 * Micronesia


 * Fiji


 * (joint operation)
 * (protectorate)
 * (protectorate)


 * Union of New Netherland
 * Contiguous New Netherland
 * (excluding )
 * New Netherlander Antilles
 * Curacao
 * (excluding and )
 * Statia
 * (excluding and )
 * Statia
 * (excluding and )
 * Statia
 * Statia

Timeline

 * 1861 &mdash; Scandinavian West Indies
 * 1875 &mdash; Dutch West Indies
 * 1881 &mdash; Trouble starts in Spanish Colonies
 * 1883 &mdash; Spanish Colonies bought
 * Marshall Islands?
 * 1884/1885 &mdash; Fiji and Tuvalu annexed
 * 1885/1886 &mdash; Protectorate over Tonga
 * 1892 &mdash; Takeover of islands from new Venezuelan state

Timeline for New Netherland and her Empire

 * Events in italic are not related to New Netherland, but are crucial enough to be mentioned (as of now).


 * October 1787 &mdash; The ends with no agreement, and bitterness towards there being a successful union between the former colonies.


 * November 9, 1787 &mdash; The declares their independence from the United States of America (becoming one of the first states to do so).


 * March 24, 1788 &mdash; The are officially voided, ending the United States of America. The  officially becomes independent.


 * Late 1788 &mdash; Discussions between the begin on whether to form a rump USA between them. Proposed by, the goals of this union were to compete against Virginia and the New England states. The proposed union never materialized, effectively ending by 1790 (after the death of Franklin, and the ongoing war in Vermont).


 * Mid 1789 &mdash; The states of Connecticut, New Hampshire, and Massachusetts (which at the time included Aroostook and Maine) sign the Hartford Convention, establishing the . Rhode Island would join in 1790, and Vermont by 1792.


 * Late 1789 &mdash; Due to growing tensions between New York and New England, New York troops enter into Vermont to assert their claim to the region. New England supports and aids the Vermont Republic. The begins.


 * 1790 &mdash; (Vermont War) A battalion lead by (a member of the Mohawk Tribe, and the only Native American to serve a high rank during the American Revolution), lead a successful campaign to push Vermont troops out of modern day Adirondack and Schenectady. In what became known as the Battle of the Hudson, New York was able to keep Vermont (and New England) from gaining access to the Hudson River.


 * 1791 &mdash; Within both New Jersey and New York, two secession movements form around this time:
 * Residents in eastern Long Island (primarily ) establish themselves as the "Long Island Boys." In response to the success in Vermont, the group hoped to gain the independence of Long Island (with prospects of them becoming part of New England). The group only gained support in eastern Long Island (with the west supporting New York). With the conclusion of the war nearing, the group gained little support in New England, and only angered those in New York.
 * While New Jersey remained neutral in the Vermont War, many Jerseyites from the northeast volunteered on behalf of New York. Those in the southwest wanted nothing to do with the war. With rumors that New Jersey would soon enter the war (a rumor which was not true), the state became divided based on . Those in the southwest declared the reestablishment of the long lost province of, going as far to show support in uniting with (which at the time was finalizing its federation with Delaware).


 * Late 1791 &mdash; New England and New York sign the Treaty of Providence, ending the Vermont War. As part of the treaty:
 * New York recognizes the independence of the Vermont Republic. The border between New York and Vermont is finalized, giving New York a 20 mile corridor east of the Hudson River, then using to complete the border.
 * New York agrees to transfer its claims west of the and the  (the ) to New England, in exchange for New England relinquishing any remaining claims to the areas within New York (the  and the  [if it existed by this point]). This makes the 1786  null and void.
 * New England agreed not to support any secession movements within New York (the so called "Long Island Boys").


 * June 26, 1792 &mdash; After months of discussions, New Jersey and New York agree to unite under the temporary "Union of New York and New Jersey." During the conventions to establish a constitution, the following topics are agreed upon:
 * Long Island and West Jersey would be allowed membership in the union (establishing a union of four states).
 * The upstate portion of New York (north of Albany County and west of the Delaware River) would be transferred to the new federal government (creating the "District of Albany"). In part for its lose, it is agreed to have become the capital for the new nation.
 * Border disputes between New York and New Jersey are finalized, with NY agreeing to sell (Staten Island) to New Jersey.
 * The new legislature (the Federal Assembly) would be based on the the proposed plan by (the ), which would give each state equal representation (regardless of size, population, or land ownership).
 * A proposal was made by war hero to reestablish the territory which Great Britain set aside for the Six Nations of the, creating a fifth state for both Iroquois and white settlers. While this proposal was not adopted, the basis of which would reemerge years later.


 * Late 1792 &mdash; All four states ratify the new constitution. Prior to which, the name of the new nation was changed to the (after the  which occupied the same region). The remnants of New Jersey and New York (which both lost territory as part of the new constitution) were renamed East Jersey and Hudson (respectively).


 * November 1792 &mdash; The first presidential elections take place. Former New York Governor (and known anti-federalist) wins in a landslide victory (winning the majority in all four states).


 * 1805 &mdash; The District of Albany is divided into four entities. The Capital District (a diamond-shaped plot of land in which the capital and federal government claims), the Schenectady Territory (the area effectively east of the Susquehanna River), and the Iroquois Territory (the westernmost portion of the nation). Despite its name (and being loosely based on a proposal by Joseph Louis Cook), the Iroquois Territory was only in Iroquois in name, and set aside for primarily white settlers (rather than a joint Iroquois-White state, as proposed by Cook). Despite this, Cook was appointed as the first territorial governor (a post he would hold until his tragic death in 1814). Cook continued to work with the federal government, and convincing many tribes to sell territory to Albany.


 * July 4, 1817 &mdash; Construction begins on the (a canal stretching from the Hudson River (via the Mohawk River) to Lake Erie (via the Niagara River).


 * October 26, 1825 &mdash; The Erie Canal is completed. The construction is seen as a major event in the administration of.


 * 1830 &mdash; The area west of the (mostly part of the  at the time) is admitted as the State of Niagara (the fifth state).


 * 1834 &mdash; The southern-half of the Schenectady Territory is admitted as the State of Schenectady. The remaining portions become the new Adirondack Territory.


 * 1837 &mdash; Revolution breaks out in . After the success of the revolution (and the independence of ) by 1840, many of the exiled Iroquois communities trekked back south to New Netherland (becoming a regional problem in the coming decade).


 * 1845 &mdash; With an increase in the Iroquois population in New Netherland (added with the increased White population along the Erie Canal), the territory demands statehood. Supported by President, statehood was eventually allowed after the agreement to divide the territory. The southern portion would become the new Genessee Territory, and the area north of the Black River was transferred to the Adirondack Territory. The State of Iroquois was admitted later in the year.


 * 1863 &mdash; agrees to sell their colonial possessions in the West Indies (the ) to New Netherland. The purchase becomes one of the major events of the, and is seen as the beginning towards the New Netherlander Colonial Empire.


 * 1876 &mdash; The agree to sell the Dutch West Indies (the ) to New Netherland. The islands are incorporated into the "New Netherlander West Indies," with the capital moving to  years later.


 * 1878 &mdash; offers to sell  (Saint Barts) to New Netherland. The island is incorporated into the New Netherlander West Indies.


 * 1881 &mdash; Tensions between Spain and many of her dominions in the Americas leads to revolutions in many (most noted would be Venezuela).


 * 1883 &mdash; In a radical move in part of the, Spain agrees to sell portions of her empire to New Netherland. The acquired territory includes the (Micronesia [not including the Philippines]), and  . This purchase gives New Netherland a footing in the Pacific and in Africa, leading New Netherland into the  age.


 * 1885 &mdash; New Netherland annexes and the  (Tuvalu).


 * 1886 &mdash; In an agreement with the, the island nation becomes a protectorate of New Netherland.

Presidents in 13 Fallen Stars
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 * Notes


 * The is hard to figure out. The patriarch  is from New Jersey, Samuel's son  was born in Ohio because of his father's work, and Prescot's son and grandson ( and ) were born in Massachusetts and Connecticut (respectively). From that, the family can be either New Netherlander, Pennsylvanian, and or New Englander (roughly in order).
 * The family seems to be more New Netherlander than New Englander. This may also be interesting to work into, since Prescot Bush is a suspect in the "failed" against Franklin D. Roosevelt.

Timeline: Borealia RA

 * Main article: Borealia:0:0, Provinces of Borealia:0:0


 * 1827 &mdash; The third "Treaty of Saint Petersburg" is signed between Russia and Great Britain. Britain recognizes the territory west of the (up until reaching the northernmost point of the Columbia River) and south of the  as part of the Russian Empire. The debate on where the southernmost point of Russia's northern claims prevent the debate to be resolved as part of the treaty, but Great Britain acknowledges that the "coastline north of the " are defiantly part of the Russian Empire.


 * 1845 &mdash; The "Treaty of Washington" is signed. In which, Great Britain recognizes the independence of and  (then united as the United Republic of Canada:[United] Republic of Canada:0). Border disputes are also resolved between GB and the US.


 * 1856 &mdash; The border issues between Great Britain and the Russian Empire are resolved. Britain recognizes all the territory west of the continental divide as Russian, with the agreement that Queen Charlotte Island remain British, and the remaining disputed territory be put under joint administration.


 * 1867 &mdash; the Maritime Provinces agree to unite as the "Acadian Confederation."


 * 1870 &mdash; The British unite Rupert's Land and the North-Western Territory into the Colony of Assiniboia. The remains out of the colony.


 * 1872 &mdash; The British agree to sell their remaining colonies on the Pacific coast to the Russian Empire.

Russo-Japanese War idea for RA

 * Main articles: 




 * 1854 &mdash; American successfully established trading relations with Japan. Despite not having a coast on the Pacific, Perry's expedition traveled south of Africa and across the Indian Ocean.


 * 1855 &mdash; The Russian Empire establishes relations with Japan.


 * 1875 &mdash; Russia and Japan which defines territorial claims. Japan gains full control of the, while Russia gains full control of the.


 * 1880s-1900s &mdash; Russia expands its infrastructure in Asia and America.


 * 1904 &mdash; Japan declares war on Russia, beginning the . Despite having British assistance, Russia would be able to keep Japan in a prolonged war.


 * 1907 &mdash; The Russo-Japanese War ends with a Russian victory. Russia secures all of Manchuria, and pushes Japan out of Korea and the Kurils. Because of the prolonged and victorious war, the does not happen. Japan becomes weaker.


 * 1909 &mdash; Despite the motherland remaining calm, the American subjects are able to gain independence from Russia, establishing the Alaskan Commonwealth:0:0. Alaska continues to recognize the Tsar as the head of state, and allowing partial control from Saint Petersburg, but is grated extended autonomy within its borders.


 * 1914 &mdash; breaks out, with Russia hoping for a quick victory against the Central Powers. Ironically, the victory over Japan causes Russia to not build up as much prior to this war.


 * 1917 &mdash; Revolution breaks out in Russia. First with the monarchy being overthrown in February, and followed by the October Revolution and the rise of communism. Alaska gains full independence.


 * 1920s &mdash; In hopes to quell the civil war in Russia, an allied coalition (US, UK, Japan, Alaska) launch an attack to crush communism. Japan is able to occupy large portions of Russia.


 * 1922 &mdash; The civil war ends with a communist victory. Japan would vacate Russian territory, but would be allowed to remain in the Kurils and Korea. Japan Annexes Korea months later.


 * 1930s &mdash; With Japan weaker and partially not interested in China, Japan avoids war with them. This causes China to become closer to the Axis powers of Europe.


 * 1940s &mdash; China expands its influence with German assistance. China is able to occupy Hong Kong and Indochina (due primarily to trouble in Europe), and attempts to recapture Taiwan, leading to war with Japan (with Japan siding with the Allies). Japan emerges from the War as a Great Power, as well as a Permanent member of the UN. Tibet is occupied by Britain, while Uyghuristan is occupied by the Soviets. (Excluding Manchuria) the rest of China becomes a Japanese-backed state.


 * 1970s &mdash; (maybe) Japan becomes a constitutional monarchy.


 * Notes to read


 * Persia and Afghanistan to Russia?
 * Philippines?

Polynesia idea for RA
Main articles: Polynesia:0:0


 * 


 * With a weaker US presence in the Pacific, the Kingdom of Hawaii would become a protectorate of the United Kingdom (seems fair, since the Union Jack is in the flag). The US would gain Guam and the Philippines by 1898, and Panama by 1901-ish.


 * As a British protectorate, combined with a potentially weaker Japan, Hawaii would remain secure, and the monarchy would remain in tact.


 * With the end of WWII, and the rise of American, Japanese, and Soviet presence in the Pacific (topped with the lack of democracy in the later two), and the move towards decolonization, the idea of a pan-Polynesian state is proposed.


 * Polynesia would be a constitutional monarchy and a federation. It can be compared to Canada (OTL), but with a regional monarchy.


 * The Hawaiian monarchy becomes the united Polynesian monarchy. (Regional monarchies would retain regional say, somewhat making Hawaii the "King of Kings").