Board Thread:Timeline Discussions/@comment-4923787-20130202175501/@comment-4923787-20130508002552

Okay, I see.

I know of Soissons as a state that survived longer, but is there any chance, even a slim one, of a possibility of one remaining in some region of Italy? Obviously, with the Lombards and such, they wouldn't last long, but there could be a chance of a state declaring translatio imperii as a means of claiming the Roman throne.

I'm just not sure of what would work though. I'll do some more researching to get a better idea, but do you know a particularily defining moment that could've lead to the Byzantine reconquest of Eastern Anatolia? Also, would they give the Turks an option to stay if they wanted to? I'd imagine they'd have a special tax for being in majority Muslim, but I don't think the Byzantines would take too kindly to them remaining,

Sweet. Could an explanation for this being either the failed poisoning of Lothair II of Italy by Berengar of Ivrea or her flight to France? If the poisoning fails, an Berengar is found, he would certainly be put to death? What would happen to Italy?

If she flees to France, will she remarry? I was thinking of marrying her to Lothair of France, but the fact that he was married to her daughter would be a tad bit awkward. What would happen if she was married to Hugh Capet?

In this scenario, could Saxony unite Germany dynastically and militarily? Also, since the HRE doesn't exist, will less influence be placed on the Italian states? Or would they simply be divided between the Byzantines, Aragon, and France? I also heard that by 1406, the Visconti nearly had united north and central Italy. If they could unite all but the Papal lands, could they get Naples to marry into the North? This all depends on five centuries, though.