Talk:Night of the Living Alternate History (Map Game)

=Resources=

Current Article Proposals
Pages that are of questionable continuity, require reworking, or are not canon will be listed as a proposal. This signifies that it is currently not canon. Hopefully this will help avoid confusion.

Please list all current article proposals here. If the proposals only involves a specific section of the article, please state that. Also remember to mark the proposal page with the proposal template. To graduate an article, move to have the article graduated and if no one objects the article will be considered canon (see the editorial guidelines for more information on this process.

Californian Revolution of 1981
Page by IstocnoSarajevo

Dinetah

Under construction. Page by Bfoxius (talk)

Northern California
Page by IstocnoSarajevo

Thor's Hammer
Nominate this to become obsolete. Mscoree (talk) 20:52, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Nation Tiers
Currently unimplemented. Mscoree (talk) 20:54, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Touhou Project
Article by me about the Touhou Project series. -Kogasa  2013 June 02, 11:38 (CET)

Neo-Mughal Empire
Nation page by myself. Monster Pumpkin (talk) 23:32, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

I am promoting this article to canon, as it follows the story well and does not contradict any established articles. As long as there's no objections, it will become canon. Mscoree (talk) 01:06, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

Only thing i see, is the map still has part of iran as part of afghanistan. Not sure if we resolved this. G greg e (talk) 21:38, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

I made my argument in the map changes section. I don't think anyone responded to that, and I will not change the map until then.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 21:39, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

Archives
Previous archives for the talk page.

List of Changes Needed
'''I've taken the last few requests and made them into a list. From now on all requests should be added to this list. Cross out when completed.'''


 * The Galapagos Islands should be Colombia colored.
 * the changes from the Treaty of Dubai need to be added.
 * Eastern Turkey should be given back to Turkey, except for the area around Adana (to EHU).
 * The new borders from the Treaty of Albuquerque need to be added.
 * Brazil's new borders need to be added.
 * China should be removed
 * Inner Mongolia should be Mongolian colored.
 * Dinetah should be added.
 * Chan Santa Cruz is now as far north as Mexico city in the center, Tuxpan on the east coast and Zihuatanejo on the west.
 * Djibouti should be Yemen colored.
 * Belarus and Ukraine should be added
 * Thrace should be made a different color to avoid confusion with Romania.
 * Turkmenistan should be part of the Russian Federation.
 * The Sinai Peninsula should actually belong to Israel since they hasn't been returned to Egypt.
 * The United Republics of Guinana (light blue in the Guinanas region of South America) should be removed.
 * The Kirl Islands and the Island of Sakhalin needs to be added to Russia.
 * Brittany should be independent.
 * The changes from the Treaty of Syracuse need to be added.
 * India should be uncolored.
 * The US midwest should be updated.
 * The Republic of Sul should be added.
 * Southwest map should be updated.
 * A new nation arround New Delhi, India, needs to be added
 * All of New England should be one nation.
 * Belize has joined Chan Santa Cruz.
 * Poland should be colored.
 * (Canon checking in progress) Mexico City is a ULN protectorate
 * All of Arkansas should be under US control.
 * Korea should be a different color.
 * Romania and Moldavia should be part of the Balkan Alliance. Furthermore, I'd like it if we could remove the state lines in the Alliance, since each state is a former nation. Thanks!


 * Romania and Moldova are not in the Balkan Alliance.
 * The nations of the Federation of the Arabian Peninsula (Saudi Arabia, the UIC, Oman, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, and Bahrain (but not the Appalachian Federal Republic since they are not a fully integrated member and are not tied to all decisions of FTAP)) should be colored the same one color. Please and thank you!!
 * The Neo-Mughal Empire is not quite correct. It holds Iranian Baluchistan as well, since on the last map it was not a part of Iran and thus open to expansion. It also has Jammu and Kashmir, which was annexed after a referendum.
 * The United Republics should be recolored to a darker color.
 * Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Finland, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan seceded from the Russian Federation.
 * West Africa has completely split apart. Mali is now the only state of West Africa.
 * Hokkaido and the Kuril Islands now belong to Japan.
 * The American Confederation has expanded to include all of unclaimed Utah and most of unclaimed Nevada.
 * Rwanda shouldn't be owned by Uganda.

TO DO LIST
Want to contribute more to this map game, but don't know where to start? Try doing one of these simple tasks, which can greatly improve the map game. Here's your opportunity to really show your creativity.

Nations
If you have not already done so, please create a short profile for your nation detailing some basic information and history. Just click on your nation below to get started. If you have created a nation, but your nation isn't list on the template, contact Mscoree so it can be added.

The above template should also appear at the bottom of your nation profile, and at the bottom of all NotLAH pages.

Feel free to start contributing to the other pages as well.

Here is an example of a nation profile: here. Copy the text on that page (in source) and paste it onto your nation page (in source), then change the information.

The Nations page is also in need of improvement. You can help by adding your nation's information.

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Art
Here are some art/map/flag stuff that you can do.
 * Make flags (see below)
 * Add already existing flags to the nations on the main page

Flags
Nations that need flags. Try to be logic with flag creation by researching the region and creating a flag that positively displays that regions roots/mother country.
 * Juarez
 * Republic of Alaska (Alaskan Rebels)
 * Northwest Federation
 * Forgottonia
 * Isle of Wight
 * London
 * Northern Ireland
 * Wu

Wars
Navigate to the Wars page and begin adding information for each war and battle.

Here is an example of a war page: here.

Featured NotLAH Article
This could be YOUR page:

On the portal page there is a new section for featured articles. This prestigious award will be given out each month to a well written article. Start making pages, and your page might be selected for next month. Good luck everyone! Mscoree (talk) 12:45, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Featured

 * United States April
 * Human-Zombie War May
 * Middle East War June
 * Holy Roman War July

Proposals

 * Star Wars - I think this page is suitable to be featured.
 * United Republics - While I am still finishing and continue to update this page, I think it finally is presentable.
 * Treaty of Susquehanna - Is it okay? Daeseunglim (talk) 16:49, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Was this intended for the article proposal section, or to be featured? Mscoree (talk) 22:10, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Discussion
=General Discussion=

Russian Federation

 * Location: 2
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * High Ground/Ambush
 * Military Development: 59
 * Army: 50
 * Navy: 9
 * Motive: 5
 * Political
 * Chance: 4
 * UTC Time: 00:09
 * (9% of 830) * pi = 234.676971
 * Chance is 4
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of Troops: 1
 * 40,000/70,000

Total: 103

Stalinist Switzerland Regime

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical Advantage: 3
 * Military Development: 14
 * Army: 10
 * Industry: 4
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 7
 * UTC Time: 00:09
 * (9% of 1690) * pi = 477.836243
 * Chance is 7
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of Troops: 1

Total: 76

Result:
The Alps has been captured by the Russian Armed Forces. Prisoners of these Gulags are set free.

A Return
As many of you know, I have been away for the past ten days, and have been unable to post during this time. I have noticed that there was a lot of implausibility, mostly related to World War 3. I don't think it's fair to those who were plausible for me to revert a dozen turns, but I'd just like to point out a few things here. Also on the World War 3 page I will probably elaborate/expand the story to make it sound more plausible. Here are a few examples of what I am talking about.


 * Russia apparently had all those ships in the Barents Sea/Arctic Ocean, despite there being little to no friendly naval bases there. Edboy also never mentioned this once, and it was established until this point that Russia's navy was either in the Baltic Sea or in the northern Pacific.
 * Russia's navy managed to go around the US navy in the North Sea/northern Atlantic, despite being heavily outnumbered.
 * Russia landed a few hundred thousand soldiers on the East Coast, despite there being a few million American soldiers there.
 * Russia claimed to have seized the US' stockpile of gold, despite never reaching Kentucky.
 * Russia invaded Lithuania with a force of 65,000 soldiers, despite me writing on my last post that there being 1,000,000 soldiers in Lithuania.
 * Furthermore there were 500,000 soldiers entrenched in western Belarus, 1,000,000 in Ukraine, and many more in Northern France and Germany.
 * Despite there being a few million soldiers in the Pacific Theater, and the Allied supremacy over the seas, none of the people I entrusted began Operation Cthulhu, the secret plan to invade Axis Asia.
 * The Netherlands were the US' vassal and ally, were liberated by the US, and heavily indebted to the US. There were also allied with Germany. Despite this, they chose to declare war on the Allies. (Imp, implausible stuff like that makes me regret the decision to unite the Netherlands and South Africa.)
 * The US navy randomly surrendered and/or was captured by the Russian navy.

I will try to work with everyone to fix this. Thanks, Mscoree (talk) 14:12, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Discussion
Hey I know it sounded kind of implausible. But in euorpe I wad Reidnforcing my lone so there were mny troops thn before. Only ur pacific fleet surrendered because all of ur allies there changed sides.With the north sea i used long range artillery and SCUD launchers which destroyed many naval facilities and then used German like wolf pack tactics with over a hundred sybmarines. PS I'm typing this from my phone so there might many grammer errors. - Edboy

PSS I might not be signed in when I publishd this.

If there was anything I did that u think was implausible, please tell me. I tried not to and will fix anything that is. Daeseunglim (talk) 14:33, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Even though I am not a mod, I would like to suggest that if the implausibility is absolutely horrible, we could actually revert a few turns and give those who have been very plausible a small bonus to their nation scores from where they were at the time of revision? EiplecOco (talk) 15:45, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I have been considering reverting, but I fear it's too late. We would need everyone in agreement, I thinl. Mscoree (talk) 16:44, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

I think reverting turns...is midly difficult at this point, as many have moved on and so have the events...if some territorial or amount of military ships need to be corrected, i could understand that however, G greg e (talk) 16:50, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

I agree. Maybe if anything go back 1-3 turns. Also I think that we need to define territory, b/c I got confused by the map. So there needs to be definite boundaries. Daeseunglim (talk) 16:59, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

I agree. It's too late to revert back, but we can at least edit what happens from this point on in the page itself. Tr0llis (talk) 15:37, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

Im vastly confused why northern France was recolored. G greg e (talk) 21:42, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

Cuba

 * Location: 5
 * At the Location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * High Ground
 * Nations Per Side: 0
 * Cuba (L)
 * Military Development: 27.25
 * Army: 20
 * Navy: 5.25
 * Industry: 4
 * Expansion: 0 NA
 * Motive: 10
 * Motive is Life or Death
 * Chance: 5
 * UTC Time: 19:22
 * (36% of 1821)xPi= 655.56
 * Chance is 5
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops:
 * x/750,000

Total: 84.25

United Republics
750,000/x
 * Location: 3
 * near to the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * No defenses
 * Nations Per Side: 11
 * United Republics (L),Sul (MSV), Bolivia (S), Iberia (MSV), Three Indian Republics (SV),
 * Military Development: 50
 * Army: 40
 * Navy: 14.25
 * Industry: NA
 * Expansion: -4 Central America, Colombia, Venezuela, Peru
 * Motive: 5
 * Motive is Political
 * Chance: 4
 * UTC Time: 19:22
 * (36% of 473)xPi=534.6792
 * Chance is 4
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: NA

Total: 109.25

Result:
The United Republics successfully take Havana with force and soldiers occupy the countryside and cities to the west. Cuba is given a chance to surrender and have full control of their territory restored, at minimal cost.

Discussion
Cuban surrender

cuba uncinditaly surrenders

Warman...if thats you sign your name using either the signature button or the four tidles. G greg e (talk) 20:15, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

General Bao's FactionEdit
Total: 86.16...
 * Location: 5
 * At the Location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * High Ground
 * Nations Per Side: 0
 * General Bao's Faction (L)
 * Military Development: 40
 * Army: 40
 * Navy:NA
 * Industry: 4
 * Expansion: 0 NA
 * Motive: 10
 * Motive is Life or Death
 * Chance: 2
 * UTC Time: 12:35
 * (30% of 601)xPi= 566.42
 * Chance is 2
 * Stability: 17.5
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops:
 * 1,000,000/1,500,000=2/3

KoreaEdit
1,500,000/1,000,000
 * Location: 3
 * near to the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * No defenses
 * Nations Per Side: 15
 * Korea (L),Shanghai (MSV) Wu(MSV) Russia (MS) AFR (S)
 * Military Development: 30.50
 * Army: 32.5
 * Navy:NA
 * Industry: NA
 * Expansion:-2 (Manchuria -1 WAF -1)
 * Motive: 5
 * Motive is Political
 * Chance: 4
 * UTC Time: 12:35
 * (30% of 3,909)xPi=3684.14
 * Chance is 4
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: 1.5

Total: 95

Result:
Joint-Korean forces have given significant losses to General Bao's faction. Korea has, however, had significant losses as well. Korea makes steady advances on Tinanmen Square.

UR falling?
I personaly think the UR has grown into a Empire. It is growing but the people all over will revolt. It will calapse under its own wieght. Octivian Marius (talk) 19:54, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

I dont think you understand the UR at all, and who would revolt, lets see, culturally all very similar, religion, all similar, people who joined from failing governments hmmm Colombia, Ecudor, Venezuela, Panama, Costa Rica where all under a dictatorship, Brazil has been under UR influence for 29 years before joining the UR. Also you understand that all the area under the UR color isnt all directally part of the UR right? Anyway, Best Regards G greg e (talk) 21:42, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

General Bao's Faction
Total: 90.9
 * Location: 5
 * At the Location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * None
 * Nations Per Side: 0
 * General Bao's Faction (L)
 * Military Development: 44
 * Army: 40
 * Navy:NA
 * Industry: 4
 * Expansion: 0 NA
 * Motive: 10
 * Motive is Life or Death
 * Chance: 3
 * UTC Time: 2:32
 * (12% of 607)xPi= 228.83
 * Chance is 3
 * Stability: 17.5
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops:
 * 200,000/500,000=.4

Korea
500,000/200,000
 * Location: 3
 * near to the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * No defenses
 * Nations Per Side: 15
 * Korea (L),Shanghai (MSV) Wu(MSV) Russia (MS) AFR (S)
 * Military Development: 30.50
 * Army: 32.5
 * Navy:NA
 * Industry: NA
 * Expansion:-2 (Manchuria -1 WAF -1)
 * Motive: 5
 * Motive is Political
 * Chance: 8
 * UTC Time: 2:32
 * (12% of 4,008)xPi=1510.98
 * Chance is 8
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: 2.5

Total: 100

Result:
Joint-Korean forces have decisively crushed General Bao's factiion in the outskirts of Beijing.

General Bao's FactionEdit
Total: 95
 * Location: 5
 * At the Location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * None
 * Nations Per Side: 0
 * General Bao's Faction (L)
 * Military Development: 44
 * Army: 40
 * Navy:NA
 * Industry: 4
 * Expansion: 0 NA
 * Motive: 10
 * Motive is Life or Death
 * Chance: 7
 * UTC Time: 3:56
 * (90% of 608)xPi= 1719.07
 * Chance is 7
 * Stability: 17.5
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops:.5
 * 500,000/1,000,000=.5

KoreaEdit
1,000,000/500,000
 * Location: 3
 * near to the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * No defenses
 * Nations Per Side: 15
 * Korea (L),Shanghai (MSV) Wu(MSV) Russia (MS) AFR (S)
 * Military Development: 30.50
 * Army: 32.5
 * Navy:6
 * Industry: NA
 * Expansion:-2 (Manchuria -1 WAF -1)
 * Motive: 5
 * Motive is Political
 * Chance: 0
 * UTC Time: 3:56
 * (90% of 4,010)xPi=11338.00
 * Chance is 0
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: 2

Total: 97.5

Result:Edit
Heavy caustalites were inflicted upon both sides, slight Joint-Korean advance is made.

Another Disappearance
I will again be leaving for a week in which I will be unable to edit the wiki. I will be relaying messages to Edboy452, and possibly others. Mscoree (talk) 13:40, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

General Bao's Faction
Total: 89.8333...
 * Location: 5
 * At the Location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * None
 * Nations Per Side: 0
 * General Bao's Faction (L)
 * Military Development: 44
 * Army: 40
 * Navy:NA
 * Industry: 4
 * Expansion: 0 NA
 * Motive: 10
 * Motive is Life or Death
 * Chance: 2
 * UTC Time: 8:53
 * (120% of 614)xPi= 2314.72
 * Chance is 2
 * Stability: 17.5
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops:.333...
 * 250,000/75,000=.333...

Korea
750,000/250,000=3
 * Location: 3
 * near to the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * No defenses
 * Nations Per Side: 15
 * Korea (L),Shanghai (MSV) Wu(MSV) Russia (MS) AFR (S)
 * Military Development: 39
 * Army: 35
 * Navy:6
 * Industry: NA
 * Expansion:-2 (Manchuria -1 WAF -1)
 * Motive: 5
 * Motive is Political
 * Chance: 6
 * UTC Time: 8:53
 * (120% of 4,016)xPi=15139.96
 * Chance is 6
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: 3

Total: 107

Result:
General Bao's faction is decively crushed by Joint-Korean forces. Northern China becomes a Korean puppet.

ROC
Total: 101.5
 * Location: 5
 * At the Location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * High ground
 * Nations Per Side: 4
 * USA (s) Germany (s)
 * Military Development: 44
 * Army: 40
 * Navy:NA
 * Industry: 4
 * Expansion: 0 NA
 * Motive: 10
 * Motive is Life or Death
 * Chance: 8
 * UTC Time: 9:10
 * (9% of 615)xPi= 173.88
 * Chance is 8
 * Stability: 17.5
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops:.1
 * 1,000,000/1,000,000=.1

KoreaEdit
1,000,000/1,000,000=1
 * Location: 3
 * near to the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * No defenses
 * Nations Per Side: 15
 * Korea (L),Shanghai (MSV) Wu(MSV) Russia (MS) AFR (S)
 * Military Development: 38
 * Army: 35
 * Navy:6
 * Industry: NA
 * Expansion:-2 (Manchuria -1, WAF -1, Northern China -1)
 * Motive: 5
 * Motive is Political
 * Chance: 9
 * UTC Time: 9:10
 * (9% of 4,016)xPi=1135.49
 * Chance is 9
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: 1

Total: 107

Result:Edit
Joint-Korean forces have sucessfully managed to gain ground on the city of Taipei.

ROC
Total: 80.5
 * Location: 3
 * Near the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * None
 * Nations Per Side: 4
 * USA (s) Germany (s)
 * Military Development: 40
 * Army: 40
 * Navy:NA
 * Industry: NA
 * Expansion: NA
 * Motive: 5
 * Motive is Political
 * Chance: 0
 * UTC Time: 3:45
 * (60% of 618)xPi=1164.90
 * Chance is 0
 * Stability: 17.5
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops:.1
 * 1,000,000/1,000,000=1

KoreaEdit
1,000,000/1,000,000=1
 * Location: 5
 * At the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * No defenses
 * Nations Per Side: 15
 * Korea (L),Shanghai (MSV) Wu(MSV) Russia (MS) UK (S)
 * Military Development: 44
 * Army: 35
 * Navy:NA
 * Industry: 12
 * Expansion:-2 (Manchuria -1, WAF -1, Northern China -1)
 * Motive: 10
 * Motive is life or Death
 * Chance: 4
 * UTC Time: 3:45
 * (60% of 881)xPi=1660.64
 * Chance is 4
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: 1

Total: 115

Result:
Joint-Korean forces have decisively crushed the ROC forces.

ROC
Total: 98.5
 * Location: 5
 * At the Location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * High ground
 * Nations Per Side: 6
 * USA (s) Germany (s) Tibet (s)
 * Military Development: 44
 * Army: 40
 * Navy:NA
 * Industry: 4
 * Expansion: NA
 * Motive: 10
 * Motive is Life or Death
 * Chance: 4
 * UTC Time: 10:19
 * (90% of 625)xPi= 1767.14
 * Chance is 4
 * Stability: 17.5
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops:.1
 * 950,000/950,000

Korea
950,000/950,000
 * Location: 3
 * near to the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * No defenses
 * Nations Per Side: 24
 * Korea (L),Shanghai (MSV) Wu(MSV) Russia (MS) UK (S) Iberia (S) Aquitane (S) Cayenne (SV) Toulhouse (SV) Arles (SV) Remaining CC states (S)
 * Military Development: 38
 * Army: 35
 * Navy:6
 * Industry: NA
 * Expansion:-3 (Manchuria -1, WAF -1, Northern China -1)
 * Motive: 5
 * Motive is Political
 * Chance: 0
 * UTC Time: 10:19
 * (90% of 886)xPi=2505.10
 * Chance is 0
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: 1

Total:107

Result:
Joint-Korean forces have decively captured the City of Taipei.

Discussion
Tebit is helping the RoC.

Explain your reasoning, they are a member of guito, are not part of the Taipei Pact, nor have ever signed any agreements with the RoC. Furthermore, it would be implausible for them to get supplies to the island. G greg e (talk)

PRC
Total: 95
 * Location: 5
 * At the Location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * None
 * Nations Per Side: 4
 * USA (s) Germany (s)
 * Military Development: 44
 * Army: 40
 * Navy:NA
 * Industry: 4
 * Expansion: NA
 * Motive: 10
 * Motive is Life or Death
 * Chance: 3
 * UTC Time: 10:39
 * (270% of 625)xPi= 5301.43
 * Chance is 3
 * Stability: 17.5
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops:.5
 * 500,000/1,000,000

Korea
1,000,000/500,000
 * Location: 2
 * Far from the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * No defenses
 * Nations Per Side: 15
 * Korea (L),Shanghai (MSV) Wu(MSV) Russia (MS) AFR (S)
 * Military Development: 32
 * Army: 35
 * Navy:NA
 * Industry: NA
 * Expansion:-3 (Manchuria -1, WAF -1, Northern China -1)
 * Motive: 5
 * Motive is Political
 * Chance: 6
 * UTC Time: 10:39
 * (270% of 4019)xPi=34090.36
 * Chance is 6
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: 2

Total: 98

Result:
Joint-Korean forces have crossed The PRC-Former Bao Faction Border with a slight advance and a considerable amount of losses on both sides.

Discussion

Sequel
Will there be a sequel to the game? If so, I am interested in joining. PitaKang- My Life for Aiur! En Taro Tassadar 14:43, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Also, what sort of zombies are these? Running, movie-WWZ zombies? Super Resident Evil zombies? Walking Dead zombies? Or Max Brooks book zombies? PitaKang- My Life for Aiur! En Taro Tassadar 14:48, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

I believe there will be a sequel once this game finishes, and as to the zombies, they are like Max Brooks but with a rapidder state of decay, dying off within 10 years of decay for the first invasion. There are mutations that change the zombies behavior and physiology, but I don't remember most of them, and I don't think any of them made them into movie-WWZ Zombies. EiplecOco (talk) 14:54, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Mscoree told me that he was probably going to do a sequel. From what I heard, it will start in or just after WWII, and there will be greater devastation, with the US and the USSR completely collapsing. I would enjoy one beginning in the 1950's. Bfoxius (talk) 15:30, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Causi Belli - Iberia
Objective
 * Attacked Ally (-2)
 * Add to Sphere (+2) (Part of the region, rest reunify with Korean China)

ROC
Total: 85.5
 * Location: 4
 * Near the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * High Ground
 * Nations Per Side: 2
 * RoC (L) Germany (S)
 * Military Development: 44
 * Army: 40
 * Navy:NA
 * Industry: 4
 * Expansion: NA
 * Motive: 5
 * Motive is Political
 * Chance: 3
 * UTC Time: 19:25
 * (90% of 1924)xPi= 5437.224
 * Chance is 3
 * Stability: 17.5
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops:
 * x/1,000,000

Iberia
1 million/x
 * Location: 1
 * otherside of the world to the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * Ambush
 * Nations Per Side: 20
 * Iberia (L), Aquitaine (S), Toulouse (SV), Cayenne (SV), Arles (SV), Switzerland (SV), Remaining CC States (S), United Mediterr. (MS), United Republics (S), Sul (SV), Maharashta (SV), Goa and Mumbai (SV), Korea (S), Shanghai (SV), Wu (SV).
 * Military Development: 52
 * Army: 43
 * Navy: 9 (Naval Forces provided by the United Mediterr. as per post)
 * Industry: NA
 * Expansion:0
 * Motive: 6
 * Motive is Moral
 * Chance: 9
 * UTC Time: 19:25
 * (90% of 918)xPi=2594.268
 * Chance is 9
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: NA

Total:125

Result:
Iberian and Celtiberian Community states clearly take the Pearl River Delta, and completely captured the major cities and communities of Zhuhai, Shenzhen, Zhongshan, Dongguan. A build up takes place before the invasion of Guangzhou in the upcoming months.

PRCEdit
Total: 97
 * Location: 5
 * At the Location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * None
 * Nations Per Side: 0
 * PRC (L)
 * Military Development: 44
 * Army: 40
 * Navy:NA
 * Industry: 4
 * Expansion: NA
 * Motive: 10
 * Motive is Life or Death
 * Chance: 9
 * UTC Time: 6:36
 * (108% of 467)xPi= 1584.49
 * Chance is 9
 * Stability: 17.5
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops:.5
 * 1,000,000/2,000,000

WuEdit
2,000,000/1,000,000
 * Location: 5
 * At the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * No defenses
 * Nations Per Side: 13
 * Korea (MS) Shanghai (MSV) Bao Faction (MSV)
 * Military Development: 40
 * Army: 40
 * Navy:NA
 * Industry: NA
 * Expansion:NA
 * Motive: 5
 * Motive is political
 * Chance: 4
 * UTC Time: 6:36
 * (108% of 4019)xPi=136.14
 * Chance is 4
 * Stability: 17.5
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: 2

Total: 97.5

Result:
Extremely heavy caualties are inflicted on both sides and the border remains stalemated with a slight Wu edge.

Discussion

PRC
Total: 95.8
 * Location: 5
 * At the Location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * None
 * Nations Per Side: 0
 * PRC (L)
 * Military Development: 44
 * Army: 40
 * Navy:NA
 * Industry: 4
 * Expansion: NA
 * Motive: 10
 * Motive is Life or Death
 * Chance: 8
 * UTC Time: 12:46
 * (48% of 651) x Pi= 981.68
 * Stability: 17.5
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops:.3
 * 250,000/750,000

Korea
750,000/250,000
 * Location: 2
 * Far from the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * No defenses
 * Nations Per Side: 26
 * Korea (L),Shanghai (MSV) Wu(MSV) Russia (MS) Bao Faction (S) UK(S) (S) Aquitane (S) Cayenne (SV) Toulhouse (SV) Arles (SV) Remaining CC states (S)
 * Military Development: 34.5
 * Army: 37.5
 * Navy:NA
 * Industry: NA
 * Expansion:-3 (Manchuria -1, WAF -1, Northern China -1)
 * Motive: 5
 * Motive is Political
 * Chance: 0
 * UTC Time: 12:46
 * (48% of 4019)xPi=6060.50
 * Chance is 0
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: 3

Total: 106.5

Result:
Joint-Korean forces have decisively crushed the North Western PRC forces and begin an advance to Chongqing.

Discussion

PRC
Total: 91.5
 * Location: 5
 * At the Location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * High ground
 * Nations Per Side: 0
 * PRC (L)
 * Military Development: 44
 * Army: 40
 * Navy:NA
 * Industry: 4
 * Expansion: NA
 * Motive: 10
 * Motive is Life or Death
 * Chance: 2
 * UTC Time: 9:00
 * (9% of 659) x Pi= 186.32
 * Stability: 17.5
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops:1
 * 1,000,000/1,000,000

Korea 1,000,000
 * Location: 2
 * Far from the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * No defenses
 * Nations Per Side: 26
 * Korea (L),Shanghai (MSV) Wu(MSV) Russia (MS) Bao Faction (S) UK(S) (S) Aquitane (S) Cayenne (SV) Toulhouse (SV) Arles (SV) Remaining CC states (S)
 * Military Development: 37
 * Army: 40
 * Navy:NA
 * Industry: NA
 * Expansion:-3 (Manchuria -1, WAF -1, Northern China -1)
 * Motive: 5
 * Motive is Political
 * Chance: 2
 * UTC Time: 9:00
 * (9% of 4020)xPi=1136.32
 * Chance is 2
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: 1

Total: 109

Result:
Joint-Korean forces have desively crushed the PRC's army and captured the capital city of Chongqing.

Discussion

West African Federation:

 * Location: 5
 * Tac Advantage: 2
 * Military Development: 15
 * Army: 15
 * Motive: 6
 * Chance: 2
 * UTC Time: 17:27
 * 98% of 1,112 x Pi = 3423.58201
 * Chance is 2
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of Troops: 1
 * 2,500/3,000

Total: 66

United Kingdom

 * Location: 2
 * Tac Advantage: 1
 * Military Development: 42
 * Army: 38
 * Industry (In foreign nation): 4
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 4
 * (98% of 203) * pi = 624.988443)
 * Chance is 4
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of Troops: 1

Total: 90

Result:
The guerrilla forces sent by West Africa have suffered massive casualties and have been pushed out from the city.

Causi Belli - United Republics
Objective
 * Attacked Ally (-2) (removed Allied Republic of California, allied through NAL)
 * Install a Democratic Government (+2)

People Republic of California
Total: 76
 * Location: 4
 * Near the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * High Ground
 * Nations Per Side: 0
 * PRoCalifornia (L)
 * Military Development: 16
 * Army: 10
 * Navy: 3
 * Industry: 4
 * Expansion: -1 Northern Nevada
 * Motive: 10
 * Motive is Life or Death
 * Chance: 9
 * UTC Time: 16:15
 * (30% of 2014)xPi= 1897.188
 * Chance is 9
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: x
 * x/500,000

United Republics
500,000/x
 * Location: 2
 * far from the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * Ambush
 * Nations Per Side: 2
 * United Republics (L), Republic of California Rebels (S)
 * Military Development: 55
 * Army: 45
 * Navy: 15
 * Industry: NA
 * Expansion: -5 (Cuba, S. Central America, Colombia, Venezuela, Peru)
 * Motive: 5
 * Motive is Political
 * Chance: 2
 * UTC Time: 16:15
 * (30% of 767)xPi=722.514
 * Chance is 2
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: NA

Total:113

Result:
The United Republics is able to take the Bay Area of San Fran, Oakland, San Jose and the direct surrounding area with minor castulites and limited damage to civilian structures.

Russian Federation

 * Location: 2
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * Military Development: 59
 * Army: 50
 * Navy: 9
 * Expansion: -13
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 0
 * UTC Time: 16:58
 * (240% of 199) * pi = 1500.42465
 * Chance is 0
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of Troops: 2
 * 20,000/10,000

Total: 91

West Africa

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * Military Development: 28
 * Army: 20
 * Industry: 8
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 9
 * UTC Time: 16:58
 * (240% of 1,845) * pi = 13,910.9723
 * Chance is 9
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of Troops: 1

Total: 88

Result:
Russian troops are stuck in a stalemate fighting off guerrilla fighters in Mauritania, but have taken de facto control of the state.

Russian Federation

 * Location: 2
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * Military Development: 58
 * Army: 50
 * Navy: 9
 * Expansion: -12 (World War III, Switzerland)
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 8
 * UTC Time: 17:05
 * (35% of 199) * pi = 218.811928
 * Chance is 8
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of Troops: 3
 * 50,000/20,000 = 2.5

Total: 101

West Africa

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * Military Development: 28
 * Army: 20
 * Industry: 8
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 2
 * UTC Time: 16:58
 * (35% of 1,845) * pi = 2028.68346
 * Chance is 2
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of Troops: 0

Total: 81

Result:
Russian forces have captured the provinces of Kayes, Bamako, Koulikoro, Seqou, and Mopti from West Africa, guerrilla forces.

Russian Federation

 * Location: 2
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * Military Development: 57
 * Army: 50
 * Navy: 9
 * Expansion: -14
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 7
 * UTC Time: 17:11
 * (7% of 199) * pi = 43.7623857
 * Chance is 7
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of Troops: 1
 * 20,000/20,000 = 1

Total: 96

West Africa

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * Military Development: 28
 * Army: 20
 * Industry: 8
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 5
 * UTC Time: 17:11
 * (7% of 1,845) * pi = 405.736691
 * Chance is 5
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of Troops: 1

Total: 85

Result:
Russian forces have captured the provinces of Gao, Kidal, and Tombouctou ensuring the mostly complete capture of West Africa.

Causi Belli - California
Objective Stability: -6
 * None (+3)
 * Install a Dictatorship (+3)

Philippines
Total: 77
 * Location: 5
 * at the location of the war:
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * No defenses, open field, etc
 * Nations Per Side:
 * Military Development: 17.5
 * Army: 1.5
 * Navy:1
 * Industry: 15
 * Expansion: 0
 * Motive: 10
 * Motive is Life or Death
 * Chance: 6
 * UTC Time: 16:15
 * (333% of 2014)xPi= 21069.4681224
 * Chance is 6
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: 4
 * 200,000/50,000
 * 200,000/50,000

People Republic of California
Total: 52.5
 * Location: 1
 * other side of the world:
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * High Ground
 * Nations Per Side: 0
 * PRoCalifornia (L)
 * Military Development: 16
 * Army: 10
 * Navy: 3
 * Expansion: -1 Northern Nevada
 * Motive: 5
 * Motive is Political
 * Chance: 4
 * (333% of 191)xPi= 1998.14717546
 * Chance is 4
 * Stability: 14.5
 * Participation: 10
 * Troops: 50,000/250,000 = 0

Result
Total Californian defeat. California is forced off the island.

Casus Belli: Texas
Attacked ally (-2)

Free people (-1)

Texas
Location Nations Military Development Motive Chance Participation Stability Troops Result 114.5
 * Close to the location of the war: +3
 * Susquehanna (MS), UR (MS), AF (MS), Futura (MS), Hidalgo (MS), Korea (S), Wu (S), ROC (S), PRC (S), Northern China (S), Manchuria (S)
 * Total: +43
 * Army: +22.5
 * Political: +5
 * (833% of 783)*pi = 20490.6925078
 * Chance is 9
 * +10
 * 20
 * 200,000/100,000 = +2

California
Location Tactical Military Development Motive Chance Participation Stability Troops Result 57
 * At the location of the war: +5
 * High ground: +2
 * Army: +10
 * Industry: +4
 * Life or Death: +10
 * (833% of 1208)*pi = 31612.7158997
 * Chance is 1
 * +10
 * 14.5
 * 100,000/200,000 = +0.5

Result
NAL forces easily capture the city. They call for an unconditional surrender of the Communist government.

People Republic of California
Total: 72
 * Location: 4
 * Near the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * High Ground
 * Nations Per Side: 0
 * PRoCalifornia (L)
 * Military Development: 16
 * Army: 10
 * Navy: 3
 * Industry: 4
 * Expansion: -1 Northern Nevada
 * Motive: 10
 * Motive is Life or Death
 * Chance: 8
 * UTC Time: 17:39
 * (189% of 2106)xPi= 3980.34
 * Chance is 8
 * Stability: 22
 * Participation 10
 * Number of troops: x
 * x/200,000

United Republics
200,000/x
 * Location: 2
 * far from the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * Ambush
 * Nations Per Side: 2
 * United Republics (L), Republic of California Rebels (S)
 * Military Development: 56.5
 * Army: 47.5
 * Navy: 15
 * Industry: NA
 * Expansion: -6 (Cuba, S. Central America, Colombia, Venezuela, Peru, Northern California (Continued))
 * Motive: 5
 * Motive is Political
 * Chance: 4
 * UTC Time: 17:39
 * (180% of 767)xPi=4335.084
 * Chance is 4
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: NA

Total:106.5

Result:
The United Republics is able to take the city of San Diego and the direct surrounding area with minor castulites and limited damage to civilian structures.

People Republic of California
Total: 72
 * Location: 4
 * Near the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * High Ground
 * Nations Per Side: 0
 * PRoCalifornia (L)
 * Military Development: 16
 * Army: 10
 * Navy: 3
 * Industry: 4
 * Expansion: -1 Northern Nevada
 * Motive: 10
 * Motive is Life or Death
 * Chance: 8
 * UTC Time: 17:39
 * (189% of 2106)xPi= 3980.34
 * Chance is 8
 * Stability: 22
 * Participation 10
 * Number of troops: x
 * x/200,000

United Republics
100,000/x
 * Location: 2
 * far from the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * Ambush
 * Nations Per Side: 2
 * United Republics (L), Republic of California Rebels (S)
 * Military Development: 56.5
 * Army: 47.5
 * Navy: 15
 * Industry: NA
 * Expansion: -7 (Cuba, S. Central America, Colombia, Venezuela, Peru, Northern California (Continued), Southern California (Continued))
 * Motive: 5
 * Motive is Political
 * Chance: 4
 * UTC Time: 17:39
 * (180% of 767)xPi=4335.084
 * Chance is 4
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: NA

Total:105.5

Result:
The United Republics is able to take the county of San Diego and the direct surrounding area with minor castulites and limited damage to civilian structures.

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All Trekkies hail Picard for for giving us the facepalm! XD  Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:42, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Til Thursday
I am going on holiday and might not be able to post till thursday. Mods, please be kind. Thank you. :)  Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:40, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Location: 5
Total: 100.5
 * At the Location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * High ground
 * Nations Per Side: 4
 * USA (s) Germany (s)
 * Military Development: 48
 * Army: 40
 * Navy:NA
 * Industry: 8
 * Expansion: NA
 * Motive: 10
 * Motive is Life or Death
 * Chance: 3
 * UTC Time: 7:02
 * (14% of 699)xPi= 307.43
 * Chance is 3
 * Stability: 17.5
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops:1
 * 1,000,000/1,000,000

Korea
1,000,000/1,000,000
 * Location: 3
 * near to the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * No defenses
 * Nations Per Side: 12
 * Korea (L),Shanghai (MSV) Wu (MSV) PRC (SV) Northern China (SV) Manchuria (SV) Beijing (SV)
 * Military Development: 46.75
 * Army: 40
 * Navy:6.75
 * Industry: NA
 * Expansion:NA
 * Motive: 5
 * Motive is Political
 * Chance: 0
 * UTC Time: 7:02
 * (14% of 962)xPi=423.10
 * Chance is 0
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: 1

Total:103.75

Result:Edit
Joint Korean forces make a slight advance on Taipei with significant losses on both sides.

At the Location of the war
Total: 98.5
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * High ground
 * Nations Per Side: 0
 * Military Development: 48
 * Army: 40
 * Navy:NA
 * Industry: 8
 * Expansion: NA
 * Motive: 10
 * Motive is Life or Death
 * Chance: 5
 * UTC Time: 7:26
 * (84% of 700)xPi= 1847.25
 * Chance is 5
 * Stability: 17.5
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops:1
 * 1,000,000/1,000,000

near to the location of the war
1,000,000/1,000,000
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * No defenses
 * Nations Per Side: 12
 * Korea (L),Shanghai (MSV) Wu (MSV) PRC (SV) Northern China (SV) Manchuria (SV) Beijing (SV)
 * Military Development: 46.75
 * Army: 40
 * Navy:6.75
 * Industry: NA
 * Expansion:NA
 * Motive: 5
 * Motive is Political
 * Chance: 1
 * UTC Time: 7:02
 * (84% of 4076)xPi=10756.31
 * Chance is 1
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: 1

Total:104.75

Result:
Joint Korean forces have made a significant advance on the city of Guangzhou with moderate losses.

Federation of the Arabian Peninsula
Total: 140 (Without Chance)
 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * Nations Per Side: 43
 * Saudi Arabia (MS), UIC (MS), Oman (MS), UAE (MS), Jordan (MS), Iraq (MS), Kuwait (MS), Qatar (S), Bahrain (S), Syria (S), Egypt (S)
 * Military Development: 45
 * Army: 32.5
 * Navy: 12.5
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance:
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: 5.0
 * 1,000,000/207,167 = 4.8

Israel
Total: 78.2
 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage: 4
 * Nations Per Side: 0
 * Military Development: 24
 * Army: 10
 * Industry: 4
 * Navy: 10
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance:
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: 0.2
 * 207,167/1,000,000 = 0.2

Egypt
Total: 101.5
 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * Nations Per Side: 20
 * Saudi Arabia (S), UIC (S), Oman (S), UAE (S), Jordan (S), Iraq (S), Kuwait (S), Qatar (S), Bahrain (S), Syria (S)
 * Military Development: 32.5
 * Army: 22.5
 * Navy: 10
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance:
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: 2
 * 400,000/207,167 = 1.9

Israel
Total: 78.5
 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage: 4
 * Nations Per Side: 0
 * Military Development: 24
 * Army: 10
 * Industry: 4
 * Navy: 10
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance:
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: 0.5
 * 207,167/400,000 = 0.5

Syria
Total: 88.4
 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * Nations Per Side: 20
 * Saudi Arabia (S), UIC (S), Oman (S), UAE (S), Jordan (S), Iraq (S), Kuwait (S), Qatar (S), Bahrain (S), Egypt (S)
 * Military Development: 20
 * Army: 10
 * Navy: 10
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance:
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: 1.4
 * 300,000/207,167 = 1.4

Israel
Total: 78.6
 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage: 4
 * Nations Per Side: 0
 * Military Development: 24
 * Army: 10
 * Industry: 4
 * Navy: 10
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance:
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: 0.6
 * 207,167/300,000 = 0.6

Russian Federatio

 * Location: 2
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * Military Development: 48
 * Army: 50
 * Expansion: -2
 * Nations Per Side: 4
 * Mauritania (S), Nigeria (S)
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 5
 * UTC Time: 22:38
 * (96% of 32) * pi = 96.5097263
 * Chance is 5
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of Troops: 2
 * 3,300/1,500

Total: 102

Mali

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage: 5
 * Military Development: 28
 * Army: 20
 * Industry: 8
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 4
 * UTC Time: 22:38
 * (96% of 1871) * pi = 5642.80306
 * Chance is 6
 * Stability: 18
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of Troops: 0

Total: 82

Result:
The Malian capital has been captured along with the government.

Netherlands
'''Stop being so biased and get over the fact that the Netherlands did not help the US in WWIII. And over 65% still want to be in this Union.'''

No. *sprays with water* Bad Mscoree.

LOL, i am very inclined to agree.

'''It's not bias. Imp wrote on his turn a treaty for separation, and they accept. '''Mscoree (talk) 23:25, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

'''Mscoree, just no. The treaty is long past. Better Together worked. Going straight from the 2001.50 mod events, "The 'Better Together' campaign leads to the steady decline of Dutch separatist forces. Surveys show that around 60% of Dutch citizens wish to remain with South Africa." There has been absolutely zero mod events dismissing these claims and as the campaign continued, it can be assumed that the number only continued to grow. The Doctor is in... '''

'''Mscoree, come on. I've given you reasons why this mod event can't work. The Better Together campaign worked whether you liked it or not. You can't go around retconning anything you don't like. It doesn't work that way. When Yankovic tried to influence the outcome of Texas's election, I went along with it because I couldn't do anything else. Now I can. And Mscoree, you're being just like him. Stop. Imp's not manipulating an NPC nation. The Netherlands is part of his nation. He is its player. If we start an edit war, nothing will get done.'''

Please post on here instead of the game page. As I explained before, the union was barely feasible to start with. During the third world war the Dutch and South Africans literally fought against each other, further straining relations. While I was away it was written that "The 'Better Together' campaign leads to the steady decline of Dutch separatist forces. Surveys show that around 60% of Dutch citizens wish to remain with South Africa." Phrases such as this are considered either exaggerated/faked by the government, or incorrect/bias under the NPC nations rules, especially if I specifically write that the claims were incorrect. Imp wrote the treaty while I was away, and I replied to it. Mscoree (talk) 00:42, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

But this treaty has been long archived. When did the Netherlands and South Africa fight against each other? Just  because I was vague does not mean that the Netherlands aided the Americans. We were neutral right up until the end of the war when Germany declared war and the next turn a treaty was signed ending the war. If the 2014 referendum fails in Scotland, the SNP won't just say that Scotland is independent. If they do, then there would be a civil war/heavy unrest. So, unless you are willing to state the majority of Dutch rebel and cause protest against this move, then I do not think this event should take place. Imp (Say Hi?!) 08:46, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Imp. Mscoree, come on. The Netherlands is not an NPC nation. It is played by Imp. Imp IS the Netherlands. Whether you like it or not, the event has to go. The Dutch separatists are a definite minority. The people want to stay with South Africa. That has been established and you cannot retcon it. Please explain how this is different than when Yank tried to mess with my nation's elections? Anyways, the Dutch are going to have mass protests. You're forcing apart South Africa and the Netherlands out of your own bitterness. Multiple people have called you out on that. Your absense has made you completely misunderstand the situation. The treaty is long archived and effectively pocket vetoed. Nobody waits two years after a treaty is proposed to vote on it. Just drop it. The Doctor is in... 19:07, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

The "NPC rule" I was referring to was the bit in the nations section that said you can't RNG yourself, or something similar. In the same sense you can't make up percentages like "60% change their mind because posters are placed in the streets." You can't reverse moderator events like that. During the war the Netherlands (one of the main nations in the Channel League) fought against the South Africans after you declared war. I have no idea what elections you're talking about, but I can assure you that I'm not bitter. I honestly didn't think this union was very plausible in the first place, but I allowed it assuming that Imp wouldn't make matters worse like this. At this point it seems like it's time for them to split apart. Mscoree (talk) 21:54, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Rebellion for New Portsmouth
Causi Belli (FAC): None (+3) Objectives: Acquire Core: (-2)

1 Stability lost

Free Antarctic Cities
Total: 78.5
 * Location: 4
 * Near the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * Ambush
 * Nations Per Side: 0
 * Free Antarctic Cities (L)
 * Military Development: 10
 * Army: 10
 * Navy: 3 NA
 * Industry: 4 NA
 * Expansion: 0
 * Motive: 10
 * Motive is Life or Death
 * Chance: 8
 * UTC Time: 18:42
 * (64% of 2183)xPi= 4386.9568
 * Chance is 8
 * Stability: 24.5
 * Participation 10
 * Number of troops: 10
 * 1,000/100

United Republics
100/1000
 * Location: 0
 * Antarctica
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * Open
 * Nations Per Side: 1
 * United Republics (L), Antarctic Supporters (SV)
 * Military Development: 49.5
 * Army: 47.5
 * Navy: 15 NA
 * Industry: 9
 * Expansion: -7 (Cuba, S. Central America, Colombia, Venezuela, Peru, Northern California (Continued), Southern California (Continued))
 * Motive: 5
 * Motive is Political
 * Chance: 2
 * UTC Time: 18:42
 * (64% of 1209)xPi=2429.6064
 * Chance is 2
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: NA

Total:93.5

Result:
The UR guards are able to keep control of the city of New Portsmouth, but many independent forces still roam the city. Causalities are extreme on both sides (~50% each).

Free Antarctic Cities
Total: 76.5
 * Location: 5
 * at the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * Ambush
 * Nations Per Side: 0
 * Free Antarctic Cities (L)
 * Military Development: 14
 * Army: 10
 * Navy: 3 NA
 * Industry: 4
 * Expansion: 0
 * Motive: 10
 * Motive is Life or Death
 * Chance: 8
 * UTC Time: 18:42
 * (64% of 2183)xPi= 4386.9568
 * Chance is 8
 * Stability: 24.5
 * Participation 10
 * Number of troops: 3
 * 1,500/500

United Republics
500/1500
 * Location: 0
 * Antarctica
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * Open
 * Nations Per Side: 1
 * United Republics (L), Antarctic Supporters (SV)
 * Military Development: 40.5
 * Army: 47.5
 * Navy: 15 NA
 * Industry: 9 NA
 * Expansion: -8 (Cuba, S. Central America, Colombia, Venezuela, Peru, Northern California (Continued), Southern California (Continued), Antarctic Cities (Continued))
 * Motive: 5
 * Motive is Political
 * Chance: 2
 * UTC Time: 18:42
 * (64% of 1209)xPi=2429.6064
 * Chance is 2
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: NA

Total:84.5

Result:
The UR guards are able to keep control of the cities. And most independent factions are regulated to specific zones in the cities.

Location: 5
Total: 106.5
 * At the Location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * High ground
 * Nations Per Side: 4
 * USA (s) Germany (s)
 * Military Development: 48
 * Army: 40
 * Navy:NA
 * Industry: 8
 * Expansion: NA
 * Motive: 10
 * Motive is Life or Death
 * Chance: 9
 * UTC Time: 7:43
 * (84% of 706)xPi= 1863.09
 * Chance is 9
 * Stability: 17.5
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops:1
 * 900,000/900,000

Korea
900,000/900,000
 * Location: 3
 * near to the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * No defenses
 * Nations Per Side: 12
 * Korea (L),Shanghai (MSV) Wu (MSV) PRC (SV) Northern China (SV) Manchuria (SV) Beijing (SV)
 * Military Development: 46.75
 * Army: 40
 * Navy:6.75
 * Industry: NA
 * Expansion:NA
 * Motive: 2
 * Motive is Political
 * Chance: 2
 * UTC Time: 7:43
 * (84% of 974)xPi=2570.32
 * Chance is 2
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: 1

Total:102.75

Result:
Korean and ROC forces are stalemated with a slight ROC advantage.

Battle of Ligura
Causi Belli (FAC): Terrorist attack (-3) Objectives: War of Unification (0): Republic of Italy or establish a new democracy (+2): United Mediterr.

No stability lost

N. Italy
Total: 84
 * Location: 4
 * Near the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * High Ground
 * Nations Per Side: 0
 * N. Itlay (L)
 * Military Development: 30
 * Army: 20
 * Navy: 3
 * Industry: 8
 * Expansion: -1 Lombardy
 * Motive: 5
 * Motive is Politcal
 * Chance: 8
 * UTC Time: 18:42
 * (64% of 2183)xPi= 4386.9568
 * Chance is 8
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation 10
 * Number of troops: NA
 * x/150,000 (UM Only...maybe Italy would send some?)

United Mediterr.
150,000/NA
 * Location: 4
 * near the location of the war
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * Open
 * Nations Per Side: 15
 * United Mediterr. (L), United Republics (S), Iberia (S), Aquitiane (SV), Toulouse (SV), Arles (SV), Switzerland (SV), Remaining CC states (S) Italy (MS)
 * Military Development: 34
 * Army: 25
 * Navy: 9
 * Industry: NA
 * Expansion: 0
 * Motive: 5
 * Motive is Political
 * Chance: 5
 * UTC Time: 18:42
 * (64% of 366)xPi=735.5136
 * Chance is 5
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: NA

Total: 99

Result:
The UM force takes the province of Ligura.

At the Location of the war
Total: 95.5
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * High ground
 * Nations Per Side: 0
 * Military Development: 48
 * Army: 40
 * Navy:NA
 * Industry: 8
 * Expansion: NA
 * Motive: 10
 * Motive is Life or Death
 * Chance: 3
 * UTC Time: 8:01
 * (8% of 708)xPi= 177.93
 * Chance is 3
 * Stability: 17.5
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops:1
 * 900,000/900,000

near to the location of the war
1,000,000/1,000,000
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * No defenses
 * Nations Per Side: 12
 * Korea (L),Shanghai (MSV) Wu (MSV) PRC (SV) Northern China (SV) Manchuria (SV) Beijing (SV)
 * Military Development: 46.75
 * Army: 40
 * Navy:6.75
 * Industry: NA
 * Expansion:NA
 * Motive: 5
 * Motive is Political
 * Chance: 7
 * UTC Time: 7:02
 * (8% of 4087)xPi=1027.17
 * Chance is 7
 * Stability: 25
 * Participation: 10
 * Number of troops: 1

Total:110.75

Result:
Joint Korean forces have decively captured the city of Guangzhou.