User talk:GunsnadGlory



Ideas
Could you atleast tell me some ideas, as I really want to know what you have got planned and in your mind. :D Imperium Guy 22:09, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

I was about to upload that, but you beat me to it!! :P Imperium Guy 19:47, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

lol GunsnadGlory 19:49, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Don't upload duplicates. Plus the one you uploaded was of worse quality, Guns. Imperium Guy 19:35, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry. GunsnadGlory 20:47, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

No probs. Just saying!! :D Imperium Guy 21:10, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

I just reported Griffins3. Go on to the TSTPF talkpage. Imperium Guy 21:10, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

After Gansu, you will have to extensively help me on the Tamil Nadu page to get it up to speed. :P Imperium Guy 22:30, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

I would love the idea to become real. However, nationalist elements will oppose this, so I don't know to get the Confederacy to work! :/ Imperium Guy 19:51, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Something like this maybe?

Its got the UIP at the top and has the South Indian Confederation at the bottom. Hows that looking so far? :D Imperium Guy 20:30, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

It is a map of all India. I like the map like this as it shows tow unions. The UIP as grey could confuse people. :D Imperium Guy 23:06, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. I think its fireforms. :/ Imperium Guy 10:38, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

No worries, Guns, I already told Imp that that was really not at all possible, lol. Lordganon 00:23, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Greater Americas
Sorry, I did not notice your talk post until now. You join the game by putting your signature (3 or 4 of these - ~) next to the country of your choice. If the country you want is not there, just add your country to the list and tell me or one of the other mods where it is. Once again, sorry for not noticing your month-old post. FP 10:14, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

The Greater Americas
Hey, I noticed that you are editing the Greater Americas map game. While it is nice that someone new is joining, you should know that the game is in the process of either bing revived or restarted as a new game. Just thought you should know. Monster Pumpkin 18:36, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Well, it has taken a bit of time, but its back!! TGA has been revised into TGAr, and we would like you to join as you have shown interest in the map game. Many nations await, choose wisely... :D Imperium Guy 13:25, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Columbus: First Contact?
Thanks for joining. Game starts on th 19th of May. Please take a look at the INTERNATIONAL COURT OF IMPLAUSIBILITY.

Game starts on the 23rd of June. Please see updated page.

Many thanks for sticking with it, David Rain (Sometimes...) 15:57, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Britannia's Glory.
Hello. What's up regarding this game? Is it still working?

Regards,

David Rain (Sometimes...) 11:44, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Asian Tigers (SoC)
Hey Guns! As you can see, I have accepted your alliance offer and allowed you into the APN. This is just to message that I think if we increase trading between our nation expodentially each year, we can both become Asian Tigers like the ones in OTL. However, you will have to help me with this one as Vietnam is not very industrialized and will need your industrial aid. In return, my army will support you once it reaches almost full strength. What do you think? :D Imperium Guy 13:12, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

The APN kinda is the NAM but it is more about economical support as well as it includes nations from around the world. However, not every random nation will be allowed to join. It will only allow nations which have a potential to become a "tiger". Mexico does, India does, Thailand does, Vietnam does and so does Japan!! :D Imperium Guy 23:52, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Urgent message: We Mayans are not in Louisiana!
Hi. The only part of otl USA the Mayans are in is (extreme south) Florida.Where did you pull Louisiana from?

David Rain (Sometimes...) 18:53, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

Greetings from the NPRC
A scouting expedition from the National People's Republic of China has come across Gansu and is attempting contact. Your thoughts?

Canuck2012 01:32, July 1, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

2005 could work. My state is technically expansionist. It is attempting to secure lands around Hubei province. However, it doesn't claim total sovereignty over all China. Say, if a nation is conquered or accepts to join the NPRC, the locals will continue to control their government, but would have to obey the NPRC's laws. The people could apply for citizenship instantly, as well as high ranking officials. Think essentially of the states of America, technically a part of the country, but in some ways, independent.

It's kind of ironic that you would mention an alliance against the PRC. I was thinking that if my state is accepted as canon, I would send invitations of all Chinese successor states that have some level of democratic representation, and the delegations would discuss a possible alliance or loose federation against Soviet aggression, but that could also include the PRC. Though it could join if they agreed to make democratic reform and recognize the independence of the Chinese states. Canuck2012 15:31, July 1, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

I'm not sure what it's called. After an incident involoving I think a railway, the Soviets invaded Imperial China.

Canuck2012 (talk) 21:44, July 11, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

Guangxi is willing to join a federation against expansionist nations claiming all of China (USSR, PRC, TROC). Guangxi only claims Guangxi, Guangdong, Hunan, Guizhou, Sichuan and Yunan. However after the recent war in Guangxi's south we will be unable to expand or extend or force for a while.

The Second Manchurian War is an obvious attempt by the USSR to take over the resource rich area of Manchuria. They faked an explosion of a train to Korea and blamed Imperial China which they invaded. Scandinator (talk) 12:30, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

SOCr: Deansims
Spread of Communism is doomed as long as DeanSims is playing the USSR. You should do something about that. asap

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:09, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

VLR
'''This is an invitation to play Vive La Revolution Reloaded! we've recently hit a high in edits, but still have room for more players, so come on by if you're interested!AP (talk) 00:48, July 8, 2012 (UTC)'''

Columbus: First Contact?
Why? I'll accept that you can, and have resigned, but I would like to know why.

I hope it's not personal and if it is then I will try to rectify it.

David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk) 15:51, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Nuclear Physics
If what you said on Kunarian's talk page is true; can you give me the estimate for repopulating a city after a 500kt and 400kt nuke? Also I offer you a chance to join Apocalypse:2012 as one of the mods. It is a community page mirroring Doomsday:1983 where the nuclear exchange is in 2012. It will open up to editors in December 2012. I am currently preparing the material offwiki as spellcheck is useful and it is a vandal/troll/grammar nazi free zone. Scandinator (talk) 12:25, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

A city where there majority of the fallout blew out to sea. And another where the fallout stayed in the city. They are from 1983:DD and fission. For A:2012 it is a timeline similar to DD. I'm going to start with editors writing about a nation's collapse in A2012 and then we'll see. Scandinator (talk) 12:20, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

TFCN
That would be great, could you be a sound board for my ideas and give some thoughts as to how this would all work out, i'll give you a very rough TL by the end of the week. Bobalugee1940 (talk) 16:20, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

feel free to help make some of the nation pages, that would be a big help. Bobalugee1940 (talk) 14:43, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

BFE reloaded
We're starting it as soon as I finish the map. I was going to did earlier, but I noticed that the map was far more grainier and smaller than the master canon map, so I had to go back into the history of the map and find out who did it and start from there all over again.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 14:52, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

RTr
RTr is starting tomorrow Kunarian (talk) 17:27, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Evulz/Platypus
There's a few users out there that do this - one account per computing device, or per wiki, etc. No harm, no foul - he's fine unless he tries to use it to cheat. Lordganon (talk) 08:11, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Let's Unify our efforts to Destroy the Unification
So, I see you're looking to help me. I'm not sure dedicated would you be, but I'm really interested in working with you. Say, can you create a nation page for Prussia and I'll look into it then? If we expand like that, we could get quite far eventually.  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 09:45, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

A request for advice on getting a proposal graduated
Congratulations GunsnadGlory on getting your Lesotho proposal graduated. I feel that my Malawi proposal is ready to be graduated, but Lordagaon said its layout still needs work. I have read that Lordganon also said that you needed to work on the layout with Lesotho. Since you fixed the layout on your Lesotho article, I think you could you help me fix the layout of my Malawi proposal. I would appreciate the help. Also, Lordgaon told me to give my proposal, an overall cleanup. Does an overall cleanup mean I need to edit my proposal for grammatical mistakes?

I will gladly accept your offer to edit the layout in my Malawi proposal.Goldwind1 (talk) 15:11, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

GunsnadGlory, I would like to thank you, for fixing the layout problems with my Malawi proposal.Goldwind1 (talk) 21:27, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

SoCr
'''I can't edit the Spread of Communism page, so... Yes the Brazilians will accept your offer of help to expedite our program. On an unrelated note i'd just like to say that Brazil didnt have as much crime as any other nations in s america and they've always had a strong economy, but thats been said already i don't want to argue.AP (talk) 17:32, July 15, 2012 (UTC)'''

'''Hey Guns its AP again! Anyway i'm having a hard time editing again. So can you post for me as Brazil? just write this'''

'''Brazil: With the withdrawal of France, the nuclear program was set back a little but it was quickly replaced with the aid of the United Kingdom.Nations now helping the Brazilian program are: the US and the UK. Healthcare is declared universal in Brazil and will gradually make its way through the country. Brazil's crime crack-down continues, with the scheduled finish date in 1966. Brazil states that it will have a fully functioning nuclear weapon by 1963(or 1962,depends). Social reforms continue their route successfully. Drug busts continue. Brazil declares war on drugs by making any non-medicated forms of drugs totally illegal.(the military never took power in this tl) The second republic of Brazil is over and the modern republic is founded with Tancredo Neves becoming the First President of the Modern Republic of Brazil.'''

SoCr
Are you accepting new players for Spread of Communism Revised?(Sorry if I should be applying a different way, this is my first time getting into something on this wiki...)Vommack (talk) 14:35, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

BFE R&R
Yes. Here's the map. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:20, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

DD
There's already a series of proposals on the board for that area that have been almost accepted into canon - that is, their existence has been written in elsewhere already.

So, pretty impossible.

Have a look at the article(s) and the maps, as well as the remaining problems with said articles, and you could probably write one on one of the remnants, mind.

Lordganon (talk) 09:19, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

...Not as good as it looks, actually. He hasn't really touched them in a long time. Either refuses or cannot be bothered to make changes. I figure he'll do it eventually - his Turkey proposal took a very long time to pass for exactly this reason.

At any rate, it's mentioned in canon articles and everything now. More or less has to get graduated in the future, as a result - which is the only reason it has not been rendered obsolete by this point.

Lordganon (talk) 07:22, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

States of America 5 Reloaded
Just an fyi but your population for California is not right. The actual population should be 379,994. Population information can be found here http://www.civilwarhome.com/population1860.htm. So if you could crrect thst that would be great. CommanderOfTheFourthReich (talk) 17:28, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

Pan-Chinese Summit (1983: Doomsday)
For the sake of all Chinese nations, the NPRC has cordially invited Guangxi to a summit in the city of Hanyang in regards to the economic, political, and military integrity of China as a whole.

(See Pan-Chinese Summit of 2012 for detalis)

Canuck2012 (talk) 19:54, July 29, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

Isiro
More like it'd be the less radical leadership of the group leading it. Rest, somewhat possible.

LoN wouldn't care, nor could they apply for such a status - not that the LoN would accept it anyways.

Troy was nuked outright - if you'd have used the search function on the page you'd have found it. The Arsenal there got hit, and that's what it is listed under.

Lordganon (talk) 05:23, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

At best. Lordganon (talk) 06:40, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Carpe Diem
Working on a map for Carpe Diem. Quick question, how far south have the Russians advanced? Any countries that don't exist anymore (I'm using a WWI map). CourageousLife (talk) 17:36, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Also, what OTL areas are taken up by Mesoamerica, the South American Republic, and the Gulf Union? CourageousLife (talk) 18:35, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, more questions. What countries make up the Scandinavian Union on this map? Was Czechoslovakia separated from Austria-Hungary or was that just a typo? CourageousLife (talk) 18:49, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

What needs to be fixed on this map? Shades of blue are allies, shades of red are entente, shades of green are moscow, and shades of purple are neutral. CourageousLife (talk) 14:53, August 2, 2012 (UTC)



Do you want to set a start date or try and get more people on board first? CourageousLife (talk) 00:07, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

A Great world
the game has started Sine dei gloriem (talk) 03:14, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Please i'm not trying to be nagging but i would like that you posted in the map game, i dont want to let it die Sine dei gloriem (talk) 23:40, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Somalia
Not really, Guns - that remaining area is not under the control of any group. It's being fought over by hundreds of little tribal and local warlords. Kind of like most of otl Somalia, lol.

But yeah, no real state.

Lordganon (talk) 04:28, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

BFER
Sure, I'll do it later today CourageousLife (talk) 14:43, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

CDCM
Hey Guns, can I play as some of the other nations in the Moscow Pact? I am Russia, the leader and founder after all. And I need activity from the others. I was thinking the three current Muscovites could split the nations in the pact until we get new players. Sound good to you? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:48, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

DD
In north-central Namibia, you have a state made by the remnants of the movement that won Namibia its independence in otl.

Along the coast to its west, you have German Southwest Africa.

And far inland, Botswana has moved over the border somewhat, including occupying almost the entire Caprivi Strip, with Zambia controlling a small segment as well.

The rest of the nation is essentially desert. Possible for a state to control, but not possible for a state to exist outright.

Lordganon (talk) 01:44, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Not really. There's still a lot of potential in Europe, you just need to think about it a bit. Even China, to some degree, still has that possibility.

Canada is not empty. Virtually all areas that would not have been depopulated or basically unpopulated at all are in states in some form or another. And it's actually all strikes in the south.

Lordganon (talk) 20:47, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

CD, CM
You need to learn to work on your sarcasm, lol.

Anyways, you little alliance there is not as powerful as you would like to think. You're the only one strong in your nation. Germany isn't in the best shape after that whole breakup and reunification through force. Austria is plagued by rebellious minorities. Scandinavia is good, but not very strong. Now take a look at the Moscow Pact. Russia and Japan - very strong. Brazil - pretty darn good too. Spain, Portugal, and Korea: they can work too. Indonesia, Gulf Union, everyone else: on par with the Ottomans.

Now look at the Allies. America and France, good. Very good. China and Italy are on par with Brazil. Czechoslovakia and Bavaria: like Korea. North Spain: Eh, kind of a drag.

We can whup you any day of the week. Including Sundays.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:50, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Lobositz Lamentable Loss
Sorry for the delay, but the game has now begun! RandomWriterGuy (talk) 05:32, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

CDCM
No sir, ass handed to you on plate, best served cold. Read the plan again. We will masterfully craft a war with Allies and Muscovites vs. the great enemies of you. And Germany cannot in any way be strong if it once again had to be dismnatled and reunite again, and not even fully. And again, Austria is covered with large minorities who hate the government to a massive extent. And why would I have a Civil War? Apparently there were democratic reforms in the 1920s, so unless there was a reason for Civil War like North vs South or Blue vs Red or something, I hardly see that plausible. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 06:29, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

You are heavily incorrect. Without Lenin and Stalin, the Reds are  screwed . Ask someone. I learned that the hard way.

You are again heavily incorrect. Germany was broken up and reunited. Any nation that suffers that kind of faith is  not  going to be strong in any way.

You are again heavily incorrect. As a matter of fact, you are completely incorrect on this one. Austria Hungary was weak, is weak, and always  will be  weak. It's simple. They have Rumenians in one place, next to them are the Bessarabians, then we have Serbians, Bosnians, Croats, and a shitload of other minorities. And they never agreed to anything with the government. That was actually what cuased OTL's WWI and led to the breakup of the Empire anyways. Of course, that's the same reason Yugoslavia got screwed.

And read what I said again dammit. It's us and the Allies, ok? You're not going to have them. So deal with it. You'll be crushed under our boots into the dirt. And might I remind you that Russia can pull numbers as high as FIVE MILLION? And that Japan has one of the better navies of the world? As does America? And the Ottoman Empire is not so strong, not as strong as you wish. I can invade from the North and take all of Anatolia in three months. And before you can swing around Spain, and might I add, that South Spain and France and Italy will not let you into the Mediterranean in wartime? ? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:51, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Alfie Owens
Yep, lol, Alfie Owens, a.k.a Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All. It's my tribute, because he saved the world (by crying) and nobody in the planet thanked him. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 15:45, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

CDCM
And what full on argument is this? I do not see one anywhere.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:44, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. Let's forget about it and just play. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:46, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Delhi
Are you sure you want the Delhi Sultanate? It's tiny and about to get owned by the Loki dynasty thats is surrounding it. Scandinator (talk) 23:19, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Yea... Lithuania is under the control of Poland... They share a king so... yea. Care to pick again? I suggest Burgundy or Moscovy in Europe, Bahrami, Loki or Tibet in Asia, Mamluks in Africa or the Incas. Scandinator (talk) 07:31, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Carpet Dynasty
XD

Anyways, and nay, for Yoda thinketh ending you start a Cold War it will. And Cold War doth Yoda aliketh. And forsooth, if join with you Yoda does, then after Allies we crush into war we will fall. Inevitable it is. Fight, do victors do. And meaneth whence doth Carpe Diem, Carpe Mundum? Knoweth, Yoda doth, that Mundum be World.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 05:36, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Thinketh, Yoda doth, that he will goeth forth and for the world, and conquereth it he will, and then Carpet it, he will.

In other words, I think I'm far better off with the Allies and not with my big time enemies of Germany, Austria, and Scandinavia.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 05:49, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

You are correct, and that makes Vader....erm....who now? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 08:17, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Naw, RWG and Luke don't fit personalities. I think a better Luke is David Rain or even Walrus.

And Stewdio asks to be Master Windu, but I think he'd be a good Bail Organa, as one of Yoda's new allies.

So,

Me: ...Surprised?

You: ''Your arrogance blinds you, Master Yoda (Konstantin). Now you shall feel the full power of the Dark (Entente) side.''

This is followed by Force lightning and one of the most Epic Fights in history. So then Courageous and Commander one-on-one it and we all know what happens.

A pity we lack a Leia. Not many females on this site. Also, if David is Luke, then Walrus is Han, but I think vice versa works better. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 09:15, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

A forum maybe. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 07:11, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

Limeuan
why?

Limeuan (talk) 08:51, August 17, 2012 (UTC) limeuan

Why should I do that? (Friendly Question) Limeuan (talk) 08:54, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

read that before. So how did the edits get published?

k. tnx for the advice

For some reason, the edits are still there at least most of them Limeuan (talk) 09:05, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

And P.S. I'd rather talk to the dude who made the articles than see it get erased by u. No offense. Limeuan (talk) 09:11, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

k. I'll change the philippines so it could be less ASB.

PMII Map
Moscovy is on the map, I just haven't filled it in yet. These maps don't update themselves and I really don't want to update every time a new user signs up since it takes about half an hour for the process. So I'm waiting for a few more people to sign up. Scandinator (talk) 10:44, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Imperialism II
Game has begun. --RandomWriterGuy (talk) 20:03, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Blank Page
Sorry about that. I saw a blan page. Glitch maybe.

What's the latest on that Jokes forum?

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:21, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Maps
i'd really need some help with the maps Limeuan (talk) 05:03, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

I got the picture from Pixlr abd still learning how to use it

that message was from Limeuan (talk) 05:19, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

And the only thing i need now is aprogram to edit the map borders then i'm all set

Limeuan (talk) 05:22, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

tnx very much. last question, in case i want to make my own TL and i know all the guidelines, where do i click

Limeuan (talk) 05:26, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

tnx a lotLimeuan (talk) 05:28, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Return to Lobositz's Lamentable Loss?
I may have taken up the role, but you can have Great Britain if you come back. And I'll take up one of your allies, the Netherlands, Sweden or Portugal.

Seriously, we need more people to oppose the enemies. Stewdio333 (talk) 02:50, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

Alright... :( Don't worry, I'll take good care of Britain, and fight the good fight! Stewdio333 (talk) 07:36, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

BFER
Hi Centria, do you want to do an official alliance?. Also, the Regen are trying to throw us away from the Solar System, do you think is possible (and profitable) to change side and align ourselves with the Terran?. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 20:17, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

Forget everything up there. The Terrans put us in Threat Level Charlie. The war is coming. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 23:23, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Alliance
Wondering if Novogrod wanted an alliance once the game started. I'll probably be playing as the Ottoman Empire(currently signed up as Aq Qoyunlu). Saamwiil (talk)

I know you are playing as Muscovy. Did I accidentaly write otherwise? Saamwiil (talk) 23:15, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Stop. You are not a mod. You do not have powers to undo mod decisions. Have you never played map games before? One more time and I ban you with a vote amongst the mods.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:33, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

I know about thine alliance.

MWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Nah, don't worry; I won't metagame.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:48, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Gee I don't know. A lot of implausibility is infecting the game. Germany-Argentina-Venezuela-Brazil-Hungary-Soviets-Italy ' WTF?!??! ' Anyways, the South American nations were fascist, but yet, isolationist. Hungary=hates Germany. Soviets-Germany = bound to collapse if plausibility followed, but I know Imp won't betray the Soviets.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:39, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

True. But it did have enough troops to crush the largest armed force in Africa, and Persia's army was pratically non-existant. I simply thought that the extra troops would be useful. Guess I'll go it alone. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 21:58, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

He Guns, I was wondering if you could send me (Persia) some military aid? Even some vehicles would help, with Italy leaving, I think I can turn around the tide barely, but I think I can do so, so please, send weapons, you don't want Turkey being your enemy and controlling all the big oil fields now wouldn't you? Ianian58 (talk) 21:35, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, just so you know, Britain owns many of Iranian Oil Fields, so this is a very powerful excuse, though it can actually be a very powerful and legitimate reason to go to war. Ianian58 (talk) 21:53, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

So, what proof do you have to disprove my own, since you clearly have something that proves me wrong. So please, show me what where I can find out that I am wrong. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 21:56, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

You might want to read my reply. I actually did the research. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 22:13, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

You mean the Greco-Turkish War that took place before the Turkish War of Independence, which had British, French, Armenian, Italian, and Georgian troops in it? And Persia's military was only 40,000 men strong by WWII as your link to the Persian Cossack Brigade stated, while Turkey's military had nearly four times that amount with 137,000 soldiers at the start of WWII. And then the Ataturk reforms which took place between 1922 and 1937 which modernized and industrialized Turkey? So Turkey's military was larger and better equipped than the Persian one. It economy was larger. And it was better trained, since it fought three successive wars, while the Persians only fought one inside their own lands, and it was a coup by another dynasty, not a real war. When they did fight a real war, like this one, they lost. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 22:31, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

I look forward to it. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 17:13, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Russian Lands
How about that war with the remaining Russian States, We could completely conquer one, then scare the others into submission, for example, although ending the Horde's Dominance would tell them that we are a force to be rekoned with. Pskov would give the least resistance because its the only one not in civil dissaray...or Ryazan.-Lx (leave me a message) 19:47, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

AvARe Japan joining the allies
if the british accept an independent Indonesia under E.A.T.S.P. Influence and Japanese interests in China the Japanese will join the allied war efforts against the Axis. and we will willing to support allied war efforts at sea using the Imperial Japanese Navy. Nkbeeching

" P'shop request"


here is what i am looking for, a kinda war torn / abondoned look to this building without completly destroying it, wtih some kudizu maybe. it's google earth street view pic.

i am planing to use it on this page. ya think ya do anything wtih it?

thanks in advance.

Wingman1 12:49, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

give me a min and let me look. brb. Wingman1 12:58, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

ok i am back, i am going to have to look online after work tonite or try to do a better screen shot from google earth street view. thanks for takeing a look at the pic anyway, Wingman1 13:11, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

The ottoman empire promisesthat Muscovy will not be attacked if it agrees to stay at peace with the muslim nations and agrees not to join the popes puppet state alliance. We will also resume trade with you and diplomacy. Please accept, DeanSims (Talk)

Poland-Lithuania PM II
Well, I officialy have an alliance with them, but when the current Prince dies(very soon), I will have Novgorod break the alliance and declare war on lithuania, and maybe have the veche call upon Ivan III to become Grand Prince of Novgorod and Pskov as long as you are just a military leader. Poland-Lithuania is very much in my way...I want an outlet to the baltic...so lets have that war and then i can reform my governement. The Khanates are also bothering my expansion east. Anyways, I was thinking about some sort of Confederation/Commonwealth of Great Russia type thing like the HRE but for Russian States and much mroe centrilized(other than Novgorod and Moscow of course) could be fomred after we conquer Poland-lithuania. The Only reson I was their ally was to have access to crimea, and through that the Mediteranian -Lx (leave me a message) 21:30, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

And why not? Anyways, I shall keep the Regen. The Federation is not worthy! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:17, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

...Also known as 250 ships. Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 00:09, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Currently, Lithuania is a ripe target for the Dual Khanate, so if you are willing to wait 6 years before a war, you will find them much easier to defeat when they are in total chaos and devestation after being sacked by Mongols. LurkerLordB (Talk) 00:22, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Britain in AvARe
we need you to return and play as the uk. otherwise we are without the major european ally.do you your nation and colonies overrun.

No contest. Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 00:13, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

PMII
Now see here, I did not have any motives against you. I only promised to support Novgorod if and only if it went against you. Easy way to get an amazingly strong Orthodox and Eastern ally. You may have more land, but Novgorod is stronger because ATM you should be facing major rebellions every day due to your increasingly large expansions. So yeah, I agree to your plan.

Also, can you please come back to AvARe? Please? That Warman guy is ridiculously implausible in any game he plays and his posts are often run-on rambles and incoherent and incomprehensive.

Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 17:19, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Brother, we might be from different countries, but we speak the same language.

...Oh, never mind, our countries do speak the same language. XD (America and Britain, English.)

As for Warman, he hijacked it after Pita said he could if he wanted to although he strongly discouraged it.

Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 01:07, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

You promised us protection unless attacked. If we attacked Poland-Lithuania, that promise would turn into a lie... Saamwiil, the Humble 23:19, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

P-L
Just to be clear. What is your intention by attacking Poland? We cannot aid anyside(Bavaria), none the less I am nervous to see a nation so close to HRE borders fall. I will not commit aid either way, I just want to insure that there is no overt(or covert) plan against the HRE. Also, I am confused as to why you appear to be helping the Muslims. We are Christian, regardless of the Schism between the two denominations. Bavaria has a fairly large Orthodox population due to high immigration over the years, we do not harm them.Andr3w777 (talk) 00:22, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Interesting. I'll sleep on it.

Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 00:41, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

If i secretly send supplies, Is there a chance for some land for Bavaria? Just curious. I am "officially neutral"Andr3w777 (talk) 00:53, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Meta-gaming isn't against the rules. Saamwiil, the Humble 01:09, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Poland
I know I have coastline but if you really wanted a warm water coast (Baltic freezes in winter for 4-8 months between Oct-May) then you could take the Crimea with Poland and Novgorod's help. Even if you did conquer northern Poland what would it give you? Revolts and revolutions by the dozen. And an angry HRE and Denmark (who is my ally) would shut down Russian travel through the Oresund. Plus I left a message saying I was really busy and that I would try to post more. Think about how I feel, I'm swamped with school work and then the mods launch an invasion on me quickly followed by my allies... AgentMars (talk) 09:47, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Poland
I know I have coastline but if you really wanted a warm water coast (Baltic freezes in winter for 4-8 months between Oct-May) then you could take the Crimea with Poland and Novgorod's help. Even if you did conquer northern Poland what would it give you? Revolts and revolutions by the dozen. And an angry HRE and Denmark (who is my ally) would shut down Russian travel through the Oresund. Plus I left a message saying I was really busy and that I would try to post more. Think about how I feel, I'm swamped with school work and then the mods launch an invasion on me quickly followed by my allies... AgentMars (talk) 10:02, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Well Lithuania doesn't touch the Baltic so you'd have to take the Baltic Coast in Poland. If you do then you will be stretched too thin and I would have no coast. Also if you try to take any Polish-Lithuanian territory then I won't ally with you guys and will join the HRE. Poland is catholic so all the more reason too. However if you were to restore all of Lithuania back to me, we could come to an agreement with Moscovy using Poland-Lithuanian ports to maintain a navy, similar to OTL Syria and Ukraine allowing Russian naval bases. AgentMars (talk) 05:05, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Russian Federation(PM)
I would like for us to not attack the caliphate because I think it is safer to have a non-agression treaty with them, and not attack them...fore one because victory is impausible. Wait untill the caliphate breaks appart, or untill they start waging genocide against orthodox. In other terms, wait for a cassus belli. If they never give one, they will not. And my navy Proposal goes as follows: there is one navy for the Russian Federation, There will be, however, seperate fleets commanded by seperate nations, mine will be the neva, Baltic(after I get the F_____ rid of the annoying prussians/teutonics) and Archangel(white sea) fleets. you can have the Black sea fleet at your command, and poland can have a baltic and black sea fleet(I'm looking at geographic positioning here). Same principles for the military. A Tsar is picked for the Federation, and each Grand Prince(grand Duke)- veliki knyaz has a right to vote. Principalities/Duchies will be ruled by a knyaz(Prince/duke) and will be subordinate(vassals) to Grand Princes, and Grand Princes can have their own diplomacy and the Tsar is more of one of the Grand Princes that is Picked for the time that he is the ruler of his respective Grand Duchy(hint hint novgorod can kick their Executive out of office if the people don't support him).-Lx (leave me a message) 21:15, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

In order for Moscovy to have any chance of controlling a port in the Crimea, you will need to annex at least half of Lithuania, there is no way a tiny strip 7 km long stretching for 2000+km can be effectively controlled. Bandit raids and revolts will occur and a border that large is impossible to to anything with. And remember people still had to walk back in those days, a years journey to the sea... or a couple months by horse is not something a lot of people would do in bandit lands. Scandinator (talk) 00:50, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Even if you did annex half of Lithuania. Most of it would revolt and break away considering the distance from Moscow. Only the NE part would stay with Moscovy since that part is Russian. The rest of Lithuania would experience some micronationalism.

I suggest you reach the Crimea via the Caliphate, shit is about to go down. And if you put enough pressure on the Crimean possessions of the HRE, Venice might sell you Kaffa (nudgenudge) and a small navy. Scandinator (talk) 00:55, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

More news, the Lithuanian coastline is not up for grabs, the Caliphate took it from the Cossacks. Scandinator (talk) 01:18, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Resource Help?
I am planning on invading several states that are NPC within the HRE. If I dedicate support to the Russians, can I count on assitance in my conflicts. Also. If there is room to allow Bavaria at least one coastal city that would be helpful. We dont have a coast.Andr3w777 (talk) 20:15, October 2, 2012 (UTC)\

That would be fine. As you may know, Bavaria is the head of the Imperial Merchants Guild, the most wealthy trade group in western Europe. Perhap I could base my Nord See operations in one of your cities?Andr3w777 (talk) 23:10, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

That seems good. When you or I post we'll mention that. Andr3w777 (talk) 23:14, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Aragon and Navarre are too far to send anything but supplies. A bunch of Germans crossing the border cannot go unnoticed. I'll give you secret supplies from Brandenburg, Aragon, and Navarre, but I can't manage anything else.

Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 00:28, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Your Proposal
A. I don't have it. It is Caliphate territory... It we beat the Caliphate you can take THEIR Crimean lands while Lithuania retakes theirs.

B. Please provide a map of the areas of Lithuania that I will keep. If I deem them too small, I will not hesitate to let Poland join the HRE to reclaim them. Poland and Lithuania will not change their names.

C. Haven't you hurt me enough? You attacked me after I ask for help and demand territory as I am picking up the pieces of my nation.

D. Explain

E. We could just return to status quo and no-one gets hurt. I would join the Russian federation easily that way.

AgentMars (talk) 01:53, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Secret Diplomacy( NO META GAMING)
Do not forget that Baden-Wurttemberg is my vassal and has had quite a large military buildup. If I join in this little war if Agent disagrees, then you'll have the substantial backing of Bavaria AND its vassals. Scraw can probibly be convenced to join in this also. As a thought, what coastline would be available? I'm hoping it'll be near a trade area as the Imperial Merchants Guild really wants to expand trade throughout the known world.Andr3w777 (talk) 17:28, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Fine you get half of OTL Ukraine. But I keep OTL Belarus. And you get your precious coastline. I have a hard time believling that you would have one easier on me had I not asked to keep most of my pre-backstab territory... AgentMars (talk) 01:58, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

Also the Inca's are taken and there is a rule that you can't transfer territories... -unsigned post by AgentMars

^He's right about this you know, both on the transfering countries and on the Incas being taken. Though, out of curiosity, why of all nations did you insist on him being the Incas? There are plenty of NPC nations. LurkerLordB (Talk) 02:21, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

Here. I created a page for the RF. It is just in the drafting stages and i used the novgorod page for a template. I would like us to have the remaining conversations there now, instead of skipping between 3 talk pages.-Lx (leave me a message) 18:13, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

Caliphate Issue

I have been reviewing the circumstances surrounding Naples and have decided to support Naples willingly joining the Empire. We have to avoid an inner conflict. You need not fear, however I ask that you caution Brandenburg in this as well.Andr3w777 (talk) 20:45, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

created a page for theGrand Council, Grand Principalities get 3 votes, and Sovreign Principalities(non-vassal members of the fed) get 1 vote(if sombody asks to play as a vassal of your give them the decency of being a "Sovreign Principality")-Lx(leave me a message) 20:56, October 9, 2012 (UTC) Im Just making sure everyone gets the same message.-Lx (leave me a message) 21:21, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Naples
...I'm not being hard on a new player. He is overextending and meddling where no-one wants him too. He is another one of those must expand must expand must expand types. I doubt he has any semblance of a plan. Meanwhile, I am trying to unite the southern Orthodox areas into a new Byzantium. Originally I was going to give the nation to Bforix but he left... so I'm stuck with still controlling Byzantium until a new player comes in. Scandinator (talk) 00:19, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

LOL, but yea, I've thought about it and offered Naples a deal I believe no-one can refuse. So yea... war with Naples looks unlikely. Thanks for offering to help. Scandinator (talk) 00:17, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Naples problem
Well, I speak french...that helps with the spanish... but thanks anyway. about the Caliphate: I have to honor my alliances, and unless the Caliphate declares war on the entire HRE for attacking naples, or declares war on Brandenburg, then we should stay neutral...well after all we dont even have a non-agression agreement with the Caliphate...I tried, I realy did, and I have an Alliance with Brandenburg, and as I said before, Unless we have a propper cassus belli to attack the Caliphate(like them declaring war on Russia or Brandenburg), then we remain neutral. That is what I think we should do.-Lx (leave me a message) 13:24, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Ah but if the HRE is about to fall then it is a threat to our ally Brandenburg and therefore is a cassus bellum. remember if we conquer the khanates the caliphate will be on our borders, we need to maintian at least decent relaitons to avoid invasion. We are the buffer between Europe and asia, Chistendom's first line of defence. We need to resist invaison for as long as we can, If Russia falls, europe falls.-Lx (leave me a message) 23:36, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. Scandinator (talk) 09:39, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Caliphate
They Just attacked byzantium. A new issue is brought up in the Grand counil...very pnertinene t...and possibly a chance to regain our Cossack Brethren and take chrimea! Anyways...that woukd also sabotage our relations with the Caliphate...that is now at our doorstep(also a reason to invade...by attacking byzantium, chrimea, and the cossacks they have made themselves a threat to russia). it is pertinant that we decide what to do.-Lx (leave me a message) 13:32, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Edits
Err... thanks?

Wouldn't have notice at all that it had passed that point if you hadn't made that post, lol.

Lordganon (talk) 14:13, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Map Game Wiki
Its an interesting idea. However there are a lot of people that like both Alternate History and Map Games and this makes it harder for them... Scandinator (talk) 19:55, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

I agree, its a good idea, but it would be very hard to get more people to play them...especialy since this is the only wiki that has succesful map games and people dont generaly want to move from one wiki to another constantly unless its for forums and blogs-Lx (leave me a message) 19:58, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Agreeing with these guys, there are some good reasons for doing this. But then would this make this wiki less popular? I mean who cares what the people of AH.Com think? Like you say they're a-holes. That shouldn't be a reason. But yeah it'd free us mods up for sure not having to deal with map game troubles. If you decide to go ahead with this plan, I shan't complain, you're entitled to do whatever you want. I will say that running your own Wiki can be quite taxing though. Plus a lot of this Wiki's activity is about map games but then we can focus on proper alt-history. Its up to you mate. All I have to say is, don't take any content from this Wiki without permission, otherwise its all copyright-steeling & this wiki will get all in your face about it because you steeling our stuff. Good luck to you. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 20:15, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

It's an interesting idea is suppose as it will focus mostley on entirely new system for map games, however what is the purpose if not for spite? Many people who DO play map games, do so on AH. Its simply a lot of fun to mess with history. As much as we all may collectively dislike the establishment, they DO keep order. And order in any form is better than nothing. I support the notion if we can get a better idea of what, and how we want everything on it. I would even be willing to help you set it up. But first I need to know exactly what you have planned. Structure, Rules, Organisation, Everything. Andr3w777 (talk) 20:35, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Look here. You can guess how long this idea lasted. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 21:04, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Look, what I'm saying is that it is very annoying to flip-flop between wikis...but I'm all for it and you will have my support...just remember that...and yes it would be very useful not to have the present-day limit on the games...we can have actual future map games...except they be played by actual people. Just remember people that actualy have althists have to flip-flop bewteen pages...-Lx (leave me a message) 00:08, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it was tried once and failed. You can try again. However, for it to work you would need for map games to get banned off of this wiki so everyone would move, if they stay on this wiki no one would go to another one. LurkerLordB (Talk) 00:16, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

YES, YES and YES. I will be compromise to participate and my opinion is the mods shouldn't be able to play the games they are modding to stop biased events. Look at this Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 02:03, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

I am willing to support this. I like the whole only the leaders can be mods thing. Not because of being in charge, but because it really does limit implausability, which is a major issue on some map games. Andr3w777 (talk) 02:05, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Actually you sent this message to me before. But only the first part. I agreed to it. Now I agree to the second.

Btw, you say "me you and scraw" but I am Scraw, lol.

Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 03:26, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Not a bad idea at all. I am not sure, but I would support the idea as it would quite cool. However, setting it up would be quite a challenge. And my thoughts are that we should parter ourselves up with althistory, like sister sites - to make things easier.

And well done for the 200th headline! I'll probably have to archive it. :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 14:11, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

I could go for it. My only condition would be that there would be a wiki-wide code of conduct, such as no cursing and no fighting with other users. Just to avoid the ignorance some display when playing map games. CourageousLife (talk) 19:08, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

MP and Yank are the only ones I can think of right now. CourageousLife (talk) 19:18, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

And don't worry about the negative comments. The worst that can happen is that it won't be popular and people won't visit it anymore. No big deal if that happens. CourageousLife (talk) 19:30, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Nop, User:Migue235 is the founder, but I think he is inactive so maybe you should create another one or ask wikia for admin powers in that wiki. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 21:19, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Arabian Failure Mapgame
i don't know if you are interest but would you like to join this map game i've made Arabian Failure (Map Game) Sine dei gloriem (talk) 04:13, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Covert message
What is this deal with the Caliphate? Also, I have plans in a few years to invade Bohemia for "defensive" purposes, as the Russian Federation is relatively nearby, can I gain your assistance. I will also ask Brandenburg and Milan for aid. This probably won't before at least the next 5 years, I want to start massively building infrastructure.Andr3w777 (talk) 19:32, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

'''We intend on acquiring all of Finland in order to unify the entire peninsula, not just some of it. We're willing to compromise/negotiate for something we both want. I havent read up too much on the game so my offers might not be informed so i'd like for you to go ahead with your offer:D AP (talk) 05:08, October 27, 2012 (UTC)'''

Hey, Brandenburg is invading Finland too. Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 21:54, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

LOL XD, I know, but I'm too nice to do it. I'm hoping Aragon can secure all of Caliphate North Africa! Too bad I don't control it anymore; we're only in union. Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 23:40, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

Frankly speaking, Russians have no business in Finland. We'll be taking the Finnish area to the exact borders of OTL Finland, im not an expert on the Saami so i dont specifically know where they are. I propose you guys take the Russian part of the peninsula in OTL and I take the Finland area.AP (talk) 02:58, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

can you join Entente vs. Triple Allinace (Map Game)

A) That i shall. B) You've got to be kidding me, look at a globe Guns.AP (talk) 22:57, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

Tsars, the Russian federation, and such
I made Ivan III tsar back in 1492 or something(before the start of the great holy war)...well, since I voted for him and it wouldnt have made sense for you not to...and before I had Marpha who was Grand Princess of novgorod(and an actual influencial figure in novgorod politics in OTL). I figured that Novgorod voted for and others kind of owed her one for basicaly inventing the treaty. I had her resign form the Grand princely post(conveniantly and mostly to have a younger more charismatic military commander) before the holy war to tend to her health and old age, and therfore from Tsardom, paving the way for a muscovian tsar.I agree with you on the caliphate thing. I am sorry if I kind of controlled your vote but nobody was voting for tsar and it was all based on logic so... anyways, it didnt change anything. since the tsar is basicaly a rubber stamp on the grand council(him being first amongst equals and all)-Lx (leave me a message) 00:19, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

also, my reasoning for making novgorod invent the treaty is because novgorod is the only russian natoin with a form of democracy and elections in Russia at the time(the veches, assemblies off people, can kick out the grand prince if they think that he is doing a bad job and they decide on laws), and the Zemsky sobor has elections, etc...what I am saying is not that it makes sense for novgorod to think of a way to enlarge their system via representatives first because they actualy had direct democracy before. Novgorod was the only nation with an active democracy. Others may have had ideas, but novgorod was the only one that had it in practice...catch my drift?-Lx (leave me a message) 18:57, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Also about tsars, I have an idea: why dont we not have a set time of being tsar, but try to limit a single reign of the state as tsar to 20-25 years, since the tsar has some privileges but is mostly a rubber stamp for the grand council. (and the only real way somebody would elect the tsar's son(as the tsar candidates are selected by the nominatory council if they have "enough experience for the role of commander in chief and diplomatic representative of the entirety of russia" and usualy young people are not prefered over older people) is if the tsar was elected when he was old(50-60 years old) and died fairly early and the son actualy had a decade or so to actualy prove his worth and experience).-Lx (leave me a message) 19:06, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Kongo
Gunsnad Glory Bro -

I got your message about the Kongo game and it sounds cool but I've got a better idea. Once you're done with that one lets start our own map game where we can do whatever we want. Here are some ideas...

What do you say?
 * American Revolution 1756-1783 (AssCreed III)
 * Scandinavia anytime in middle ages
 * British Isles in middle ages
 * Vietnam 1945-1975

BrawnerWilliam (talk) 01:54, November 6, 2012 (UTC)BrawnerWilliam

Brandenburg

That's great! I can expand my mini-empire in the name of peace and stability! But the problem is, how I will I control my little Empire from the north, in Berlin? I intend to gobble up Southern Italy and the Western Balkans! Dammit.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:38, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

LOL, Green Day.

Anyways, I suppose I'll pull it off with my awesome Scrawland powers, so long as the mods don't control. Sounds good.

Btw, I'm about to invade India and conquer the Southern regions with Bengal and Tibetan help. Hopefully I can make it part of the main nation lest the mods rule it too far away. I already have two colonies I established and one I hijacked from Aragon. XD Loopholes!

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:51, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

What, you mean "Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein!" Look up hitlerrantsparodies on YouTube. Epic stuff. Parodies of the movie Der Untergang. Hermann Fegelein, in the parodies, always drives Hitler crazy (he's called "the Antic Master"), leading Hitler to shout "Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein!" The parodies are scenes from the film, with the original sound, but hilarious captions.

This is mine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKQr8zy_KUM&feature=plcp

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:00, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, that's the Flag of the Old Republic.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:13, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Brother, that's my old signature. It means "author" in classical Greek.

DFTS (Don't Forget to Sign.)

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:20, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

I thought the mods did the algorithims? Well thanks for the info. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 04:00, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Well, it was a good game I suppose. The Caliphate strikes again. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 23:42, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Mate, it was either Mscovy or Novograd who said they have made trading and contact with India (so that must include Hindustan). So I will have made contact, and all we now need to do is get our two navies to meet up and discuss issues. :/ Imp (Say Hi?!) 00:39, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

That's what I meant by them getting full access into the areas you want. If Hindustan falls, then there will be no strong opposition to them. We basically need you to threaten the DME saying if they aid Bengal against Hindustan, you will retaliate. This will mean none of the member nations will be able to respond and due to the new algorithym, I will finally kick Bengal's ass, going in to topple them completely. >:D Imp (Say Hi?!) 00:47, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Its just that Brandenburg has made an alliance with Bengal, so I have readied Scandinavia for helping me if the Brandenburgs want to get involved. And basically, I just need Russia to ensure none of the cahpliate member countries get involved in the war against Hindustan. Could you accept my alliance offer mate? I just posted it on the PMII page. It will make life so much easier! And if they go up against two countries, then they will know it is bad for them. >:D Imp (Say Hi?!) 00:59, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Not as yet. Though I'm trying. Why? Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 01:12, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Seriously? I thought Hindustan was the one with the Caliphate! That's it, in the future, the country of Bengal just ceased to exist. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 01:16, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Gotcha. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 01:52, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Bavaria's Help
I've a twenty year non agression pact with the DME, It would look bad if Bavaria went up against its word, I need a reason. Is there land to be had? Why can't we just wait until their soon collpase and then sweep in and pick up the peices? would it not be easier? And I don't know if you noticed but I'm fighting a religous civil war right now.Andr3w777 (talk) 02:09, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Russian Federation Secret Diplomacy
Our Plan A of Caliphate survival sould stay the Nonagression pact. we do, however need a plan B because, as you said, there is some mistrust. I say an alliance with hindustan is a good thing to do because it would be an assured ally if caliphate actualy attacks. A Plan B is a good idea, but we should realy stick to Plan A untill the Mahdi decides to call himself Jesus or whatever because Jesus is god and orthodox believe that nobody can equate themselves to Jesus(one of the reasons we dont listen to the pope at all) and believe that there will be signs before the second comming, and we must kill the false prophet before end times start. We can tolerate Muslim nations untill the rulers start calling themselves Jesus ang going insane because they are the "false prophet" and we must stop them before it is too late to stop the appaucalypse. When the mahdi comes, and people start not liking them, we officialy declare the caliphate not a nation anymore and therefore any agreements with them are bogus, and agreements with the predecessor states stand.

Did you understand what I mean. -Lx (leave me a message) 02:45, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Actualuy, invaidng etheopia might make teh non-agression agreement bogus becasue etheopia are orthodox and we now have the power to help(unlike with georgia)-Lx (leave me a message) 02:55, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah Russia is not affiliated with Hindustan or Ethiopia, plausibly they wouldn't give a rats ass about what happens to those countries as you are very far away from each other and you have no alliances or relations. An alliance or getting involved in their wars is highly implausible. So no alliances with these far away countries which are virtually unknown to you. Its like the Caliphate allying with Finland because Russia wants to invade Finland and Russia is our common advisory.

Also Ethiopia Orthodox is a entirely different church to Russian orthodox, Ethiopia follows the not the  who the Russians follow (until you make the  separate from Constantinople which happened in OTL in 1589 that is). You are not the same branch of Orthodox Christianity, its like the Catholics helping the hieratic Protestants. Not to mention you've not even made contact with Ethiopia. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 03:10, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Oh WOW. You guys have been busy. If it comes to war with the Caliphate then Venice is in. We want our Aegean Islands back. Scandinator (talk) 12:37, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Hey you wanna try to make a steampunkesque map game with me? IDK what itll be called but I read your note on steam engines and it got me thinking...Andr3w777 (talk) 18:48, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

There was a time limit to that pact? Didn't know that, anyway I would like to renew. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 21:54, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

LOL, I wish I was Russian. No, I am only Indian, but the Portuguese blood flows lightly in my veins through great x3 grandparents, and I had one great-grandfather who fought in World War II against the Japs. Cool, right? No, no Chinese or Russian, although we are all African on a technicality. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 01:14, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

no meta gaming

Bavaria would like a favor. As you are undoubtbly aware, our nation supports Kappel, though remains Catholic. that will change soon. Brandenburg has threatened Bavaria on that account. When we make the break will you all remain my ally, and if war ever came I ask you to consider wisely, you are closer to Brandenburg after all.... Listen, I nee allies, when Bavaria goes kappelist, we will only have a few supporters, we already have a deal with the Caliphate, stating they will not attack or hiner my nation, can we have a similar deal? Also what do you think about Bavaria seceding from the HRE all together? just curious. more detail will follow, on the http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Kingdom_of_Greater_Bavaria_%28Principia_Moderni_II_Map_Game%29 talk page, not here.Andr3w777 (talk) 00:43, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Well I can accept that. Also It seems interesting, but we would need a bit more ouldnt we? It would be nice for it to be still pluasable and stuffAndr3w777 (talk) 00:58, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Well, its no goood for me, is it? I'm fucked up nicely there. I have stated that Hindustan cannot be toppled over because the two wars were 20 years apart, so I'll still be playing as Hindustan, or probably Vijaynagar in a dynastic union. Yet don't worry, I'll try to summon up strength in Asia however I can. My "allies" in the east failed me so... Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:03, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure they can't add up stuff from over 20 years apart. So, I'll still be around as Hindustan. I'll slowly be rebuilding and fighting in whatever ways I can. So, yeah. Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:36, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Their economy will be damamged, and I am pretty sure there will be a mod event if they try it again. So, I think I might make it for the time being. Can you go on chat? Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:51, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

And though my words mean nothing, go for the Khanates. They will not risk another was with Europe, atleast not yet. So, yeah go for it! Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:56, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

im on chat! :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:01, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Map Game
It's not my idea, I'm just helping FP do it. You gotta ask him. CourageousLife (talk) 20:58, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

You can join if you want. Can't think of a POD, any ideas? - FP 19:57, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

Here's a POD-

Earth is rotated (whether the tilt is slight or severe) - this leads to different seasonal, wind, water, flora, fauna, etc. All from one tilt. I found this picture where the equator is on the Prime Meridian. This gives rise to different cultures, peoples, population centers, etc.

I can get a better map, this one was just purely for illustation. But what does it need? Just a completely differnet POD? If this one is bad, just say so. CourageousLife (talk) 22:43, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

I get what you're saying. But won't your POD require climaate changes as well? CourageousLife (talk) 22:55, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I'm good with that. Will this idea entail different climates, or just changes in agricultural regions? CourageousLife (talk) 22:58, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

So will you need a climate map? CourageousLife (talk) 23:26, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

FP already said we're going to create the first 5000 years of civilization, and let people pick civs or create their own. CourageousLife (talk) 23:40, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Oh. Sorry, distracted. I think that we could alter the PM algorithm to suit our map game needs. CourageousLife (talk) 23:53, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Ask FP first, but yes, we should. CourageousLife (talk) 01:17, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

excuse if i seem to be meddling in this conversation but i can't ignored the interesting sided earth in here, so what exactly is this, just out of curiosity? Sine dei gloriem (talk) 21:33, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Telethon
Hi, I'm calling about the Giving Away Kappelist Program infomercial I just saw on TV, and I just have to say no.

Besides, if I got rid of them, who would I send to be killed in the Caliphate?

Also, I saw the Don't Sign Pacts with the Caliphate infomercial, and I have to argue with you here, Billy Guns. Why not?

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:29, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

What do you mean? That quote means that they are not willing to sign up with you cause you're a threat. They sign with me, and me am not a threat, which I am (sort of) as the rest of the HRE is in turmoil. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:38, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

It's a dirty job - but someone has to do it :)

I'm like the English professor in the men's room:

I don't write on the walls.

I just correct the spelling and grammar.

EoGuy (talk) 15:13, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

Zossen Conspiracy
Your help would be great! PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 15:15, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

What I need right now is a plan for where the TL is going. Right now, Germany is bogged down in Czechoslovakia while France/GB have invaded Germany from the West and have taken Frankfurt. Any thoughts on the war after that? And btw the USSR has declared war on Germany. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 16:41, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

Apocalypse:2012
Basically I wish to make a post-nuclear war world with the nuclear war occurring on 21/22 December 2012. Would you be interested in helping me with the fallout charts since you study nuclear physics? And then you would also be in charge of organizing the population numbers after the war. If you also gave me some info on the region where you live that would help me too. Scandinator (talk) 00:06, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

I am here to tell you that the Burgundians are attacking Orthodox peoples along with Kappelist. I assmue you will side with Bavaria in the instance of war? Saamwiil, the Humble 23:50, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

The phrase "trying to crush some fucking rebels" comes to mind.

And also the phrase "they kind of fucking seceded from the Empire, so yeah."

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 18:30, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

The situation is one where Israel is on the verge of collapse after Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt along with the help of other Arab nations invade Israel after the more radical Arab Spring. The Israelis while boasting better weaponry are overwhelmed by the numbers of the other armies and thus launch their nuclear stockpile of <200 nukes at all the major Arab cities. Pakistan is included in Israel's attack and they know most of their main centres are screwed so they launch on India. India launches a few more at Pakistan and the rest at China so they will not be able to take advantage of the Indian's situation (why else would they develop the agni V? the only new major target in their range is China). China then launches on the USA and Japan. USA fires nukes on Chinese cities and a pre-emptive strike on Russian military installations known to harbour nuclear weapons. Russia retaliates with an all out nuclear attack on NATO and allies and USA replies in kind. North Korea with a few nukes headed its way flings off its nuclear stock at the USA and its allies. Britain and France then launch their missiles though most hit already nuked targets. Over the next few hours most of the world is nuked and the USA and Russia try to activate as many of their inactive nuclear weapons as possible and fire them on each other. By the new year, the last of the nukes has gone off and most of the world is in ruins.? Scandinator (talk) 02:32, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Your senario has several flaws, firstly its assuming that India already has its Agni VI missiles ready, however it seems they will not be until 2013/2014. Secondly France and the UK are staunch US allies and will not attack the USA. In fact most British and French missiles hit Russian targets with the exception of the British nuking of major Argentine cities to prevent them from invading the Falklands. Thridly Iran and Saudi Arabia do not have nuclear weapons, I am writing this timeline attemptting to stick as close to OTL as possible. Scandinator (talk) 23:45, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

States
I'd be all for getting States rolling again. We just need a better algorithm and be more assertive when it comes to implausibility. CourageousLife (talk) 21:54, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

They did rebel. He decided to retcon that so we wouldn't beat the shit out of him. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:40, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

50 million views the day it's uploaded? I doubt it's dead. HISHE is crap. ERB is epic. It lives? up to its name.

http://epicrapbattlesofhistory.wikia.com/wiki/Special:WikiActivity

Shitloads of fans. HISHE? I doubt it. ERB is far from dead. Few people even know about HISHE compared to ERB.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:11, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Well, "shut up you respectless a-hole" describes what I think more than anything else I could say without getting banned. I don't give two shits if you like it or not, I do. So bugger off. (And for the hell of it. more people are subscribed to ERB than HISHE.) Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:37, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Oh. Well that's a pity. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:50, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

And you realize it didn't happen? What can I be sad about if I'm dead? I'm being Vulcan. I'm being logical. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:03, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

I think the main reason is the managment. The admins are more prepared to ban people and label articles ASB than to give suggestions and feedback to how they can be improved. I have noticed that lots of people are going offline. But FP is back! TSPTF, what do they even do? They seem a little pointless. CourageousLife (talk) 23:31, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

But what would we say? They don't seem to mind that PMII is the only map game, and theres a little TL activity going on. I just don't want to get blown off by them again, because whenever I approach them (granted not all of them), the leaders of the wiki, they ignore me. And I don't want to be another Dean. CourageousLife (talk) 01:54, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

"raises glass" aha, now I think we're getting somewhere. I think a merger of the two would be a good idea. I'll brainstorm a bit, to see what I could come up with for the TL. You have any ideas? CourageousLife (talk) 00:56, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

I'm a little hesitant to use magic and aliens, just because they're both ASB and not technically history. And the DD ones would likely turn out like DD 1983. Asteroids, maybe, probably my favorite of these. Disease, we could make that work, maybe another outbreak of the Black Plague later in history, maybe duruing the Renaissance.

I thought of one - I was looking at my map and noticed the Straight of Gibraltar. This is the only exit out of the Mediterranean. What if it was closed? Would it be easier for the Arabs to invade Europe? Woud the Mediterranean nations become such big players in international affairs?

I think I need to keep brainstorming. CourageousLife (talk) 21:20, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

Then to a forum it is. CourageousLife (talk) 20:43, November 30, 2012 (UTC)