Talk:Russian Confederacy (1983: Doomsday)

I like the name Vlad, I'm going to work on the early history today if thats ok with you, Also is this ok as a posible map?Vegas adict 10:36, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Portions of the southern part of that country on your map are already included in canonized countries.

Too blasted big too, really.

Lordganon 11:22, August 18, 2010

Ah forgot about vene's Caucasus nationsVegas adict 11:43, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

You probably should take the western third off too - that's the major industrial area of the Ukraine, and it would have been plastered.

Lordganon 11:58, August 18, 2010

I'm not sure about that, I think there might have been an expansion into Russian Ukraine in the mid 2000's, the early RDC would probably only consist of the russian territories and posibly some less damaged areas of UkraineVegas adict 12:11, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

I'v created some of the early history, if you want to expand on it go ahead VladVegas adict 12:50, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I do agree that the size of the country on the map should decrease a bit, the southern borders shouldn't touch the OTL border of Kazakhstan, nor be near the Kubans and the Don Republic. I've added a sentence explaining that there was a small exodus from the RDC, as we have to somehow account for the surge of people fleeing the western parts of the Soviet Union so that they could reach the Siberians. I think the country should really be a bit low key, it needs to be kept under the radar of the Siberians until at least the mid-2000s.--Vladivostok 13:18, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh and we should definately find a small, suitable city from which this country would have grown.--Vladivostok 13:22, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * There are several in the area that would probabley fit the purpose, was Kursk nuked?. With regards to the Siberians, before the 90's they were still mostly involved in internal matters wern't they so that might explain how it would be posible to invade a small part of non-nuked Ukraine in the late 80's while we could have the siberians discovering them during the larger expansion into Russian Ukraine that I mentioned earlierVegas adict 13:35, August 18, 2010 (UTC)



My account is acting up again, but rest assured that I made the last edit on the page, as I felt that postponing the creation for at least 4 years would give enough time for people to flee to Siberia, rather than stay, as that is a part of canon and I felt it had to be said. We should definately check about Kursk and see which states the confederacy should have, as I've seen that Vene has a few ideas.--Vladivostok--193.198.144.27 13:53, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

If Kursk wasn't nuked it would be very good to start from as the 6th Guards divisions was based there.Vegas adict 14:06, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, the problem with Kursk is that the Kursk Vostochy Airport is located about 7 km from Kursk and the city is a major railway hub of the Soviet Union, as well as OTL Russia. So it isn't that huge a target, but you know the rule: when in doubt, it was nuked. Perhaps some other town in the region like Zheleznogorsk? The 6th Guards division could have escaped, although not intact, from Kursk.--Vladivostok 15:14, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Cities generaly make a better power base than towns, Voronezh is a posiblity especialy if the 6th Guards were able to escape (Albeit in reduced form) from KurskVegas adict 15:32, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, Voronezh will be the town from which the RDC will originate from then.--Vladivostok 15:40, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why don't we change the name to just Russian Confederacy. VENEZUELA 15:57, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Vene has a good point, it isn't as if all the member states will be democracies, the founder was a Soviet Army colonelVegas adict 16:02, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * and other members could be monarchies. VENEZUELA 16:05, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, if you both want to do it, don't let me stop you. I had that name because I pretty much new that they wouldn't be democratic, sort of an ironic twist, like OTL North Korea which is called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Democratic in this case could entail equal rights within the small divisions of the country. I kind of see this like the Municipal States of the Pacific in America, albeit a bit more aggressive and more cohesive.--Vladivostok 16:44, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, do you have any ideas for the history after the Ukrainian Invasion up until the second period of expansion and contact with Siberia. I'm not very good at thinking up detailed histories in times of peaceVegas adict 17:50, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

If it's all the same to you, could I think about that one tomorrow? I'm going out right now and, as they say, Rome wasn't built in a day, we'll work it out, I'm sure we can figure something out, like contact with other states, some bands of nomadic raiders, etc.--Vladivostok 18:11, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, we'l talk more about it tomorrowVegas adict 18:37, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

In my point of view, I don't think the RDC COA should be on the flag.HAD 19:30, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think its to differentiate it between the Russian Provincial Government's flagVegas adict 19:33, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Hate to be the bringer of bad news, but the city of Millerovo - and its military airfield - is listed in the Don Republic as being nuked.

You may want to reconsider the city of Voronezh as well - not only is there a nuclear plant fairly close by, there is also a major aircraft plant at a smaller airfield east of the city, and detachments of military planes were stationed at the international airport to the north of the city. Sounds a lot like a target to me.

While I'm not saying there shouldn't be expansion into the Ukraine - heck, it doesn't make sense for that not to be the case - expansion into that area would be a bad idea, as the extensive industry there means it would be largely irradiated. Note that I have done extensive research into targets inside the Ukraine.

Though, if you could keep it out of the majority of the Ukraine, I'd appreciate it - I have some plans for that ;)

Lordganon 09:11, August 19, 2010