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This has to stop
There an issue I feel I have to bring to your attention which I think is a big problem on this wiki. The problem in question is bullying.

A number of people on this wiki are subject of insults, curses and bullying. I admit, I occasionally throw in one or two, but it's unacceptable. One of the main victims involved is a certain Octivian Marius. This started with simple jabs at his poor grammar, but soon led to an entire script and story, "Revolution: The Movie", in which a rebellious renegade by the name of "Mocktavian Sorryass" (really? It's not very subtle...) attempts to take down the mighty power of the TSPTF with his trusty gang of "rebles". I'm sure you're all familiar with the story. But this all stemmed from a harmless blog post in which he unfortunately spelled a couple of words incorrectly. After the creation of this character he was mocked relentlessly, and no one took him seriously any more. He now frequently gets greeted on chat as 'Octard', despite his repeated requests not to be called that. You might all think it was in good nature, but I know what it's like, it starts of as a few funny jokes but it builds up and up and you can't take it. I know I can't tell what's going on inside his head but I can guess. I mean, what did the guy ever do to you, other than his poor grammar and spelling, ridiculous ideas, terrifyingly ASB map game nations... nevermind.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that this is not acceptable. We can't have this on a supposedly respectable establishment. This has to stop. I know I shouldn't really have a say in it, and that's why I came to you guys, the only people with the power to do something. I hope you heed my words and think of a solution.

Yours sincerely, - FP(problem?) 15:47, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

I think you are painting Oct as too much of a victim here. He has been targeted, but has also targeted others. Those of us that go on chat, including Oct, have to stop this. I include myself in this. I'm not claiming to be blameless, just that we must stop insulting each other, and bullying members of this wiki. Local Mafia Boss (Talk) (Blog)

Ok, maybe I did add in a bit of drama, and yeah I agree, we all just bicker a lot and occasionally it goes too far. (Of what I've seen) Chat mods don't do a thing, they're busy kicking people for squirrels. They need to get their priorities straight. - FP(problem?) 17:49, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

Agreed.

I agree with the squirrel part.



20:56, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

Vandal
http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Sir_Mark_Granger_(Washington_Shot_at_Murdering_Town!)

Someone block home please ❂ FOR THE REPUBLIC OF CHINA ❂ 14:48, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Really Ratc!?!


At this point, I really do not know what we should do. Here Ratc is confessing to another sockpuppet account. All of the people on chat at the time can attest to his presence, and TOB deserves the credit for making Ratc confess. 20:46, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

After observing parts of the convo which I was not really involved in, I can tell you that he meets a large number of features Ratc has previously shown - obsession for future history, video games, Deus Ex, etc. 20:48, May 21, 2014 (UTC)



More... ~Rex
 * Another traite is heavy profanity.Whipsnade (talk) 16:55, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

Banned from chat for eternity. Bfoxius (talk)

Guys please. Let me explain!!!TerraFutura01 (talk) 20:54, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

You were banned and you must accept it. I sorry Ratc. It's for the wikis good. ❂ FOR THE REPUBLIC OF CHINA ❂ 21:02, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Rat is like a ghost. I don't think we can block him IP for forever, but we could do our best to get him away. ❂ FOR THE REPUBLIC OF CHINA ❂ 20:58, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

You were banned and you must accept it. I sorry Ratc. It's for the wikis good. ❂ FOR THE REPUBLIC OF CHINA ❂ 21:02, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Guys, please. I have been waiting a fucking goddamn month. Ok? Now can you please just stop this bullshit already. I already have problems with my parents and I dont want anymore with you guys. And remember I mentioned I needed a new PC? Well, its true. Also, I am simply feeling,bullied and unwelcome wherever I go here. And besides, I am not the same rat you guys know and love to hate ok. I just in other words, dont want to wait anymore.TerraFutura01 (talk) 21:14, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

The great Scraw says this is sockpuppetry. If you had attempted to reveal yourself beforehand, I think it might have been allowed. But this is hiding/lying/cheating/whatever you want to call it.

22:00, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

I'm kinda surprised he hasn't attacked BFE:W yet.

Also, it's sockpuppetry regardless. Rat, three more and it's a felony, and we get to contact SWAT.

22:20, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

I'm telling Wikia about the new socks.Whipsnade (talk) 14:43, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

Could care less what "problems" - not that I think they are real for a second - you have. And a month into something that is forever? Pssh.

Scraw, even if he had revealed himself, would be the same block. Sockpuppeting is permanent banishment.

Lordganon (talk) 16:10, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

Ratc has returned once again, under the name "Ur-Quan01". Mscoree (talk) 20:59, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

He was not being silly or profane, so was it necessary to ban him. He may have changed and got help with is asperger's. give him a chance to prove him self.Whipsnade (talk) 14:36, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

Um whip, that isn't a good excuse. I have Asperger's part of the Autism Spectrum and I haven't done anything that would warrant a ban. No offense but that sounds like a cop out. I still don't have help with mine and I am functioning just fine, I may get irrationally angry at time,but otherwise just fine. I'm sorry whip but I disagree and say Ratc should still be banned.ALLONS-Y!!,Basically, RUN!! 16:54, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

I understand. I am new to all the Autisum/Autstic/Asperge's stuff. I had childhood ADHD, but it is mostly gon now. Thank you for your advice on Autisum/Autstic/Asperge's stuff. It is noted and will be concidered.Whipsnade (talk) 16:55, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

I told Wikia and they globally blocked the Ratc socks Global conquer and Terminal warrior, along with that Q-uarn guy. They did not block that Kansas IP 172.56.4.150 or that S. Carolina IP 172.56.4.72. I think they think the IPs are not Ratc.Whipsnade (talk) 16:55, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

TSPTF talk page
On a separate note, archived TSPTF talk page after 100+ subsections made it hard to get to the page's bottom. 23:26, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Are you foreign to the "end" key on your keyboard? Or perhaps the other keys and shortcuts that take you directly to the top/bottom of a page?

23:29, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Scraw, be nice. I don't have an "end" key on my keyboard. I just go to the contents.

But isn't there some bug with Wikia where if you don't archive the page after a bunch of subsections the whole thing disappears? We had that problem with PM2, not long before the GCC...

23:30, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

As I stated, Guns, I archived the TSPTF talk page. 02:09, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

Not even remotely your place to do that, Rex.

"End" is normally a shift or "fn" key and then pressing a number from the numberpad.

Lordganon (talk) 16:11, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

Vandal
124.124.4.218, as evidenced by: this edit log. I have undone the damage, but would like to let the admin know. 05:52, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

Blocked. Lordganon (talk) 16:12, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

Juuh Okei
There is another vandal, 80.220.169.157. He's replacing content of pages with "juuh okei". Mscoree (talk) 19:22, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

He deleted your user page Mscoree Sky Green 24 19:24, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

I have undone all his acts of vandalism, but he continues to redo it. Mscoree (talk) 19:25, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

Possibly another vandal/troll: 85.76.146.228. Appears to be making nonsensical pages. Mscoree (talk) 19:39, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

Possibly the same person, both IPs are in Finland. Sky Green 24 19:46, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

So just to fill everyone in. These two IPs vandalized for some time, before the database went down (not sure if related) and remained down for about ten hours. Glad it's back up now, and it looks like staff has helped a bit. Mscoree (talk) 13:31, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, the one seems to have been more than just here - wikia actually blocked all edits to the wiki, among others, for a while. Their bots later removed the spam pages.

As for the other one, the location is probably meaningless - seems to just be an angry person.

Lordganon (talk) 15:02, May 27, 2014 (UTC)

Ratc, again
GlobalConqueror is another Ratc sockpuppet, I checked his IP it is in Puerto Rico.

Sky Green 24 19:31, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

Guys, hello. It's me. Yes, yes I know, it was me the entire time but I really have improved. I don't know what else you guys want from me. LG, honestly I don't know what else to say other than the fact that I ask you this one last thing:Will you and the rest of the TSPTF ever forgive me?GlobalConqueror (talk) 19:42, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

Ratc, nope, you are banned for a millenium. Quit making sockpuppets. Bfoxius (talk)

Once again Ratc has returned, under the name Terminator Warrior this time.

Mscoree (talk) 15:48, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

I propose we make an "Implied Consent" rule. If a new user is acting really suspicious, then admins have the right to ask them to preform a manual IP check. Refusing will be like refusing a breathalyzer test and shall result in further investigation. Tr0llis (talk) 16:00, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

Guys please, I am telling you:STOP BLOCKING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please?!TerminatorWarrior (talk) 15:58, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

No. CrimsonAssassin-See you, space cowboys 16:49, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

What part of permanent do you not understand? Lordganon (talk) 15:00, May 27, 2014 (UTC)

I told Wikia and they globally blocked them and that Q-uarn guy.Whipsnade (talk) 15:50, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

I told Wikia and they globally blocked the Ratc socks Global conquer and Terminal warrior, along with that Q-uarn guy. They did not block that Kansas IP 172.56.4.150 or that S. Carolina IP 172.56.4.72. I think they think the IPs are not Ratc.Whipsnade (talk) 16:57, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

Expected of them. Any Ratc IP would be located in Puerto Rico Sky Green 24 17:08, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

Spartian300 Sockpuppeting
I had a map game called Look Out, Sir! Revised, which is now defunct. But, besides that, a man signed up to play the USA, by the name of 'Eastest566'. He posted a couple of turns and disappeared, removing his name. A day or two after that Spartian posted this on the talk page: Link. I thought I would just bring this to your attention. Thanks. Blocky858 (talk) 16:04, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

Taken care of CrimsonAssassin-See you, space cowboys 16:50, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

Whoa whoa wait. Wasn't this already brought the TSPTF like a month ago and they determined he wasn't a sockpuppet? Tr0llis (talk) 16:52, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

Crim this was already reported to the TSPTF (see Archive Three), at which point it was determined that when Spartian made that confession he didn't even know what sockpuppeting meant. You should probably look into the matter before  banning him. Mscoree (talk) 16:55, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

And this is why doing this from a mobile device is a bad idea. CrimsonAssassin-See you, space cowboys 17:04, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

Okay fair enough. All I'm saying is it warrants further investigation first, since he was tried for this crime previously and found innocent. Mscoree (talk) 17:07, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

Crim, you're still here?

04:48, May 27, 2014 (UTC)

It's hard to let go (inb4 frozen reference) CrimsonAssassin-See you, space cowboys 05:13, May 27, 2014 (UTC)

I think this is irrelevent. Spartian300 (talk) 17:01, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

BridgittLaura
This one is suddenly appeared last two days and making extensive editing in on America Takes All Lands From Mexico And Ottoman Empire TL. Then, user AmericaLoove also suddenly missed and not even disturbed BridgittLaura's editings.

BridgittLaura has a very bad grammar, has not a best ability to write, speak, or understands English, and has a similar fond for Bella Thorne, all of characteristics that almost like AmericaLoove. She(?) also did a copyright infringement for blatanly copying my Italy (Cherry, Plum, and Chrysanthemum) page for her Italy (America Takes All Lands From Mexico And Ottoman Empire) page.

Lately, she stupidly asked on the forum discussion for being appointed as an admin of wiki. (http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:148709#3)

FirstStooge (talk) 11:44, May 27, 2014 (UTC)

I noticed the other day in chat both these users came on and were conversing in a similar manner. It was the first time I had seen either of them in chat, and after they were both on they both left. I'm not sure if that helps, but that's what I witnessed so far. Mscoree (talk) 14:09, May 27, 2014 (UTC)

Seems less "there" than AL, to me. Blocked for spam for three days.

FS, using another article as a base in some form like that is not an infringement. They may have failed at it, but that was surely the attempt.

Lordganon (talk) 15:06, May 27, 2014 (UTC)

May i be an admin? Spartian300 (talk) 17:02, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Spartian, on this wiki you cannot get a promotion simply by asking. Please read the rules on the TSPTF page on how to apply. Asking for a promotion won't help. Mscoree (talk) 17:47, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

It was more or less a joke. Spartian300 (talk) 22:41, May 28, 2014 (UTC)



Today in chat the user  BridgittLaura admitted that he/she is also  AmericaLoove. Can an administrator please deal with this accordingly? Mscoree (talk) 01:15, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Not sure what the best course of action would be in this scenario. Based on what she said before she was promtly removed from chat, she seemed to have made the two accounts in case she cursed on one of them. Given that she openly admitted to having a sockpuppet and it was a "backup," so to speak, I shall ban for a month each until further admin consensus.

"This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 01:27, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Isn't sockpuppeting a permaban though? Why do we keep (attempting) making exceptions? Tr0llis (talk) 01:32, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Because exceptions have been made in the past to those who have admitted using sockpuppets before for reasons other than cheating the system. Also, because this is my first blocking of an account (two, actually) and I don't want to overdo it my first time.

"This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 01:33, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, no.

Sockpuppeting is not always a permabannable offense, even according to wikia, who, following from that, will only conduct IP checks if it can be shown that the person in question used it to their advantage- Owen, Rat, etc, who used it to get around a ban, or others who used it in map games or votes, etc, to get their way.

The the case of "backups", generally, only the backup is banned, as was shown in the case when Enc made a backup- "EnterpriseCaptain", I believe it was called.

In conclusion, sockpuppeting isn't always a permabannable offense- however, because of the reasons that people make them, they generally are.

For another example, it's perfectly legal to use different accounts for different wikis.

20:12, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

What wikia says is irrelevant. They do not set policies for member wikis, beyond their little restrictions on checks.

Sockpuppeting is permanent, barring accounts being made to try and go around blocks for other offenses (in which case, the second account blocked forever and the other one has the block extended)

With Enc, his original intent was to change accounts. He did not, however, decide to do so in the end. That alone means the second one, as has been the case with such an event with past users, means it gets permanently blocked. That he mused about it being a backup is irrelevant.

That being said, not sure about this one. Both accounts are active, so it is not a question of a backup. Not trying to cheat or anything, either. Yet, we have that confession (note - would not have meant much without the note saying what happened afterwards) and their behavior generally being similar.

So, permaban in order, though with less justification than usual.

Lordganon (talk) 08:29, June 7, 2014 (UTC)

MattyMG13
I've recently got a message from this user here. Apparently, Yankovic270 and some others on chat went to jump the gun thinking he was Ratc and thus led him to be banned from chat. Me, thinking he was actually a Ratc sockpuppet (seeing as Yank banned him), I went to ban him for 1000 Years.

However with that message he really doesn't seem to be Ratc at all. What should I do? Should I unban him? What do you all think? -Seiga  2014 May 29, 00:28 (CET)

We need actual evidence to confirm if he is Ratc or not. Lately people have been harassing every new user in chat and I don't think that is a good policy. Innocent until proven guilty, not witch hunts on chat. I would propose an IP check normally, but this user seems distinctly not Ratc. Usually when we catch Ratc we at least have evidence (such as a manual IP check), but here it looks like Yank just shot first and asked questions later. For now I'd say unban him until we have some sort of actual evidence. Mscoree (talk) 22:42, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

From now on, i suggest that we should greet each new user, and make sure that we know who they are. Spartian300 (talk) 22:45, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Why'd Yank ban him in the first place?

I say unban him, but run an IP check just to be safe.

22:52, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Not a fan of the new harassment policy. Tr0llis (talk) 22:55, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Matty is actually a user on several other wikis. And he can spell and use English properly, something that Ratc could never seem to manage. Cour *talk* 23:31, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

According to the general concensus he is not Ratc, thus I have unblocked him. It is ok Seiga, accidents happen. Hope the issue is closed. Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:09, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

Ninjasvswarriors
The user Ninjawarrior has confessed to being a sockpuppet.



I believe this confirms my earlier appeal here. Mscoree (talk) 00:41, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

Right so, Ninjas told me his IP;

114.43.147.247.

He wants the TSPTF to know that he has been only using this account ever since his ban (Don't ask me about the details, that's the message I got on the talk page)

He also wants to tell that Flyingninjapanda is an older sockpuppet

Now I don't know how he behaved as Alexlee, but he seems to have improved his ability to control his sinocentrism (if I recall correctly, that was one of his identifiable traits) and his English. Of course I do agree that he should be blocked for creating sockpuppets, but maybe, just maybe, not permanently blocked.

That would be all, sincerely, Sky Green 24 13:44, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

His behaviour has greatly improved if this is the case and is actually not a bad guy to talk to. I think him admitting it but not continuing to use them for his own gain for any reason should disqualify a ban. Hes really a pretty nice guy all around and i have no personal issue to the fact hes openly admiting he has used the before and personally told me he felt bad about it. I think the fact he hasnt used them since the fact is a good sign his behaviour has since changed for the better which is what we should be advocating on this site.

The precedent for something like this would be the blocking of all sockpuppet accounts along with a month-long ban (or two) to get the message across of not sockpuppeting. I agree he has improved, but letting him off the hook so easy would set a bad example. I am in favour of a month-long ban for Ninja. Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:05, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

He though has confessed, so though I still believe in a ban, I believe it should be shortened slightly. ~Bfox

I would think 1 month would be a reasonable length of time, although perhaps I could look to block him for two weeks. What is the general concensus? Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:11, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

I hope that Ninja isn't permanently banned, but considering that this is supposed to be an automatic permanent ban, I fear that Lordganon will simply go that route. After all he won best ban last year, and basically circumvented a ban for a year or so. I wish of the best of luck Ninja. Tr0llis (talk) 23:13, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

You realize if we do this Ratc could use this against us? I don't want ninja berma banned, but thought it was important to bring up. Saturn (Talk) 23:32, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

Did wikia have to destroy a whole bunch of usernames all linked with Ninja? Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:55, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

Saturn, you can't compare Ninja and Ratc. Ninja got his act together and improved his behaivor. Ratc is still immature and isn't trying to change. Two wrongs may not make a right, '' but it makes me feel a lot better in the end! '' 00:11, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

Like i said his improvement is obvious and hes been the source of many a good times and laughs on chat and has not been seen with sockpuppets since i believe. I Believe that a short 2 week ban would suffice since i dont believe he can get out of this in any way shape or form. Im not TSPTF so its not up to me but 2 weeks definitely seems reasonable.

I am OK with a 2 week-1 month ban, but please give me prior notice. I have to ask someone to post for me in PMIII. Thank you. Ninjasvswarriors (talk)

^This alone only proves that he's changed. I say no ban at all given that Ninja has proven that he can change, while Ratc has proven that he cannot, given that he has already gone through four, I believe five sockpuppets now? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 05:37, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

If Ninja receives a chance, rat should receive one in 6 months or something if he doesn't do more socks to see if he has changed. OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM

Please don't perma ban me to stop Ratc from coming back to the wiki. Ninjasvswarriors (talk)

Let us not forget you had a chance to come clean a year ago, but neglected to do so. --NFSreloaded (talk)

I woul12:33, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

I would really recommend not to ban Ninjasvswarriors. He loves this wiki, and he give great contributions here at Althistory and I am a friend of him in real life and he is an expert in history and makes great recommendations. In fact, he constantly recommends his classmates (Captainjohnrex, Pacific Communist, and theMarxist) not to commit acts of ASBness and also has forced theMarxist not to vandalize LG and Seiga Miyako's page many times.)

Rcchang (talk) 13:28, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry NFS, but I didn't saw that a year ago. I'm really sorry. Ninjasvswarriors (talk)

1 month then? Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:13, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

How about 3 weeks? Bfoxius (talk)

I really don't see a reason to ban him. Him getting a chance a year ago and him getting one today are two entirely different things. It is entire unfair to ban something simply because they got a chance a year ago to change. A lot changes in a year, and if we follow the logic of some of the users here to punish someone for an action in the distant past, none of you would be here. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:37, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

2 weeks I think is good.

23:15, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

For the record, Ninja, if someone posts for you while you're banned, that's an automatic ban extension for you and a possible ban or warning for them.

24.90.246.100 23:46, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

You meaning someone posting for me in PMIII while I'm banned? Ninjasvswarriors (talk)

the rule is that if someone is banned, they can not have someone else post for them,however suddenly invading because you have been banned is considered meta and your nation will most likly be preserved, look at MS's Austria. Two wrongs may not make a right, '' but it makes me feel a lot better in the end! '' 03:38, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

I'd like to weigh in and say that Ninja has definitely improved and is actually a pretty decent editor. That being said, sockpuppeting is a permabannable offense. I think it's important to remember that, while we really don't want to ban him, rules are rules. That being said, I will not be the one to drop the banhammer. Actually, I'd like to commend him for making it this long with out getting caught. CrimsonAssassin-See you, space cowboys 06:19, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

Punishment is clear - and there is only one. Permanent block to account.

Much better behaved now though. Shame he didn't have the sense to not confess.

As for that posting bit, posting for someone who is blocked is at a minimum a warning. Depends on person and context.

Lordganon (talk) 06:54, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think it should be considered sockpuppeting. He made the account after he stopped (was forced to stop) using the Ninjavswarriors account. Aind LG, Ninjas is quite a popular and great guy, and he always has great behavior and also has several great timelines and map games, it would be a shame to block him. Would you be able to make an exception? He has matured a lot since his sockpuppetting days.

Rcchang (talk) 07:05, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

Hello People of Althistory Wiki:

Ninjavswarriors has been notified that he has been permabaned. Therefore he has given a final speech about what he will do in the future, which is posted on the Map Game wiki. He will continue to contribute there.

http://mapgame.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Ninjasvswarriors/Permaban

Please read it, and I wish him best of luck.

Rcchang (talk)

Sigh...

You get permanently blocked for something, then any other account you make gets the same punishment. It's called trying to get around a block.

Could care less about his behavior or popularity.

Lordganon (talk) 08:38, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

* sobbing*

I just felt so bad for Ninja. :(

FirstStooge (talk) 10:32, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

Stuff
Six Kingdoms of New England is just an imitation of A Song of Ice and Fire (Game of Thrones). Should it be deleted? I think it counts as derivative work.

02:38, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

Even though it is very similar, the setting and houses are different, leading me to believe it should stay. Bfoxius (talk)

The only thing really similar is the concept. It has completely different content so I think it's fine. Mscoree (talk) 17:31, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

No, it's more or less the same story with OTL people and places.

People of the Dawn - Children of the Forest

Yankees - Andals/First Men

Colonisation - Andal landings

John of House Adams - Aegon I of House Targaryen

Succession of House Lodge - Dance of the Dragon or Blackfyre dispute

Green Rebellion - Robert's Rebellion

Brahmin Uprising - Greyjoy Rebellion

Scrimshaw Throne - Iron Throne

Castle Rock - Casterly Rock

Williams' Landing - King's Landing

Foxwoods - Lannisters

Green Mountain people - Northmen

Downeast - Dorne

17:43, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

Who cares. You could say that about basically anything on this site. PM3: Spain = Spain, France = France, Albion = England, etc. Tr0llis (talk) 17:51, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

That's based on real life. This is based on fiction. We have rules about that.

18:25, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

Exactly. Marked for deletion. Lordganon (talk) 02:56, June 2, 2014 (UTC)

Wiki Chat
As many of you know, I spend more time on the wiki chat than I should. The chat effectively is a form of "frontier justice", where the chat mods hold all the power and use it as they please because they are respected amongst the community. However, many of the mods (myself included) have been neglecting their responsiblities and instead "joke-kicking" people from chat frequently. Since many of the more respected members of the community (LG, NukeVac) don't go on the chat, most of the active chat mods are Constables and some LTs. The TSPTF page was created before the chat was put into place on this wiki, and thus I don't believe it's updated for it. Therefore I propose that either we put a "chat patroller" section in the "duties" section of the TSPTF page, for TSPTF members who want to be active chat mods (because I know there are TSPTF members that don't like to use their chat mod status, and there are some that use it more often). Another suggestion I have is that we put into place a system of guidelines for when chat mods should kick/ban, as we all have our own personal policies, and I've personally seen trolls exploit them on chat. Any thoughts? Bfoxius (talk)

Sounds like a good idea, as the job of patrolling the chat is already an unofficial responsibility anyway. Hopefully this cuts back on the squirrel problems and other nonsensical aspects of chat culture. Mscoree (talk) 17:34, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

Chat is supposed to be the place where we do everything and nothing.

17:38, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

Nope. Nope.

You're actually just illegalizing squirrels. That's it. The joke-kicks will continue, the language and irreverence will continue, the chadmins won't change, but you'll make squirrels illegal.

Besides, the point of chat is to be an irreverent idea-generator. Every map game and a sizable amount of proper TL work is hammered out on chat; most of the ideas from community TLs, for instance (DD included; Feddy, Impo, and I have had many a fruitful conversation there on the future of various nations). The only things that shouldn't be allowed there are spam and other such unacceptable activity.

This is the wiki version of SOPA and PIPA.

Forth the Squirrevolution!

20:43, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

I support the Squirrels. I'm forming the Squirrel Party. Our mascot shall be a squirrel. Cour *talk* 23:45, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

Dammit, Cour. Dammit. I start the Squirrevolution, I fight alone against invincible odds, I suffer, and now, as we begin to force the Chadmins to allow squirrels, you come in and claim credit?

Nah, I'm joking.

Call it the Squirrevolution, though.

00:10, June 2, 2014 (UTC)

Guideline may not be the worst idea.

However...

Really, a lot of the problem is the chat mods either not blocking inappropriate behavior, or even worse, only using blocks for a quick moment to get their attention. That needs to stop. The number of them that I see immediately revoked after being blocked is just wrong.

Lordganon (talk) 03:02, June 2, 2014 (UTC)

Guns, I think you are missing my point. I'm by no means trying to restrict what you say, just restrict the chat mods a bit and put forth a guideline so we don't have mods kicking/banning for different things. Bfoxius (talk)

Edboy
It recently seems, that on chat, a topic about Edboy popped up. We were talking about Ratc, and about his stocks when we realized that he should've been unbanned on the wiki by now. Now if you look Here It was shows that he was a "Ratc Stockpuppet". Whereas here it says. That he wasn't a Ratc stock. I'm testifying this because I feel that he was wrongly banned, and should be unblocked. He was given a 3 month ban, and was originally supposed to be unblocked sometime ago (I guess). Saturn (Talk) 00:39, June 2, 2014 (UTC)

3 month ban means that at the end of three months, he automatically comes back.

However, when he left, he announced that he would NOT be coming back.

00:45, June 2, 2014 (UTC)

...Did you even read why he got the block extended beyond the original month he received for being offensive, insulting, and the like?

He made an account to get around it, and continue to insult us. So, it got extended.

Simple.

Lordganon (talk) 02:52, June 2, 2014 (UTC)

What Saturn is trying to say is that Ed isn't Midwest or Ratc. It was confirmed by Wikia that Ratc = Midwest (see wall of shame or last archive). It was then confirmed that Ed =/= Ratc, therefore that user who vandalized was not Ed. You extended his ban anyway because of that but it was confirmed to be false. Tr0llis (talk) 10:45, June 2, 2014 (UTC)

May want to, you know, read those archives. Nothing like that was said about Ed and MWC. Only thing said about that was that he denied it. But the evidence is extremely clear. Ed uploads an image as part of an offensive tirade, and gets blocked, with the image deleted almost immediately. Minutes later, MWC uploads the same image.

They are the same individual. Simple.

End.

Lordganon (talk) 02:39, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Why is this even an issue? He basically committed wikicide after leaving his retirement notice. CrimsonAssassin-See you, space cowboys 05:13, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Couldn't Midwest just download the image after Ed posted it and reupload it as spam? Also Wikia did an IP check of them and confirmed that Ratc was a certain number of sockpuppets. Ed was not included in that. Tr0llis (talk) 10:39, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Time-wise, and being realistic, no.

Rat is irrelevant when it comes to Ed's block.

Lordganon (talk) 12:04, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

AnnihilationOfWorlds
So I don't mean to jump on the witch hunt train, but there are some very similar aspects between Ratc333 and AnnihilationOfWorlds. They have very similar intrests and when asked questions about things like location or something along the lines, he is very dodgy. Now I was going to wait and see how he posted in map game, but I know Saturn and Sine both agree with my theory. Could an IP Check be requested? Two wrongs may not make a right, '' but it makes me feel a lot better in the end! '' 02:03, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

I second this Kurt Cobain&#39;s Haircut (talk) 04:17, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

We talked about this. I've seen how Ratc communicates and I've seen how AOW communicates. They're two totally different people. CrimsonAssassin-See you, space cowboys 05:50, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I'm just paranoid that there is another rat stock, and there's nothing else to do. From now on I will stop witch hunting Ratc and his friggin puppets only if I have proof. Saturn (Talk) 05:53, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

I just have a hunch he's someone's sockpuppet. Kurt Cobain&#39;s Haircut (talk) 06:08, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

True. He has similar interests as Ratc, and has seemed using frequent terms Ratc has. Only if i have further proof I will continue on this. Saturn (Talk) 06:15, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Same here. Further more he just asked me if i liked games about civilizations (Which i do to some extent) and that if i wanted to start one which kinda leads into the fact that ratc's previous sockpuppet had been pushing me to restart the CTD in the mapgame wiki and also the fact that he also tended to go on the Interstellar themes Ratc did. although this time in a more civilized and less implausible manner. Anyway that's what causes my doubts about if he's or not Ratc's new sockpuppet. Sine dei gloriem &#34;Ex Initio Terrae&#34; (talk) 21:46, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Actually I talked to him on chat and his grammar has improved. He has joined a few map games, and was quite plausible. Maybe observe for a while before jumping to conclusions? Rcchang (talk) 23:33, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Paranoia
I'm getting pretty upset at the number of people falsely accusing others of being trolls or Ratc sockpuppets. We're not only scaring off potentially valuable editors, but we're also making fools of ourselves. People, especially those in the TSPTF, need to be capable of making a confident decision when it comes to big matters, and accusing someone of sockpuppetry is a big matter.

In the future, gather information. Be sure that the person being accused of sockpuppetry is guilty. I'm going to start sending out warnings to people who play the sockpuppetry card without investigating. It's getting ridiculous. Slander is bad, kids.

CrimsonAssassin-See you, space cowboys 05:47, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

I agree. There are already multiple cases of this.

Rcchang (talk) 05:32, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Plagiarizing?
I was looking around the wiki for something to do and I've seen dramatic writing styles in the America Takes All Lands From Mexico And Ottoman Empire timeline. I'm starting to wonder if this is plagiarizing, as Scrooge once saw that the Italy page had been copied to this page. Saturn (Talk) 14:08, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Last year something was reported here for being directly plagarized from Wikipedia and Lordganon said it was fine. Therefore I believe it's allowed. Mscoree (talk) 14:37, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia is alright because they freely state that anything on that site can be used elsewhere without need of citation.

21:36, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

...What I said was that it was fine so long as it was not excessive.

That timeline, imo, needs a lot of rewriting.

Took the content on the Italy pages off of the one that copied it from the other.

Guns is correct.

Lordganon (talk) 12:11, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Britdgitlaura reverted the info LG removed from the Italy Page. She also stole some parts from This Other page on the wiki as well as some from this page. Saturn (Talk) 15:03, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Guns sockpuppets
Ok, so I just overheard Guns admitting that Scraw and Crim are sockpuppets. All belonging to guns, saying he used the trick of keeping 2 browsers open. Now can somebody please ban those two if it's true? Or are they just joking?AnnihilationOfWorlds (talk) 22:42, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

He is screwing with you. No sockpuppets there.

"This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 22:47, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, I said three; Chrome, Safari, and Firefox.

Just being factual.

22:49, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Old joke.

22:53, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Lol!

Ok, and I'll come out with my reason for screwing with Anni.

Yes, it was hilarious, but on top of that, how would this brand new user know Scraw and Crim so well? I'm just saying, he appears both here and on chat to be extremely well informed about the wiki.

23:33, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

And he only has 4 edits... Saturn (Talk) 23:36, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not saying he is Ratc, and I personally think we're close to reaching witch hunt levels with that. Owen part two, anyone?

But regardless of that, at this point I think there is a reasonable threat.

23:38, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

So you tricked a new user into reporting you so that you could use it as evidence against him in some sort of sockpuppet trial. If he actually was well informed on the wiki he would know that you can't be trusted at all, and would know that Crim and Scraw are completely different people. Are we seriously going to harass/troll him too? Tr0llis (talk) 23:40, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

No, it was guns idea not mine to prank him. I just commented on what he said. Saturn (Talk) 23:45, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

False, Tr0ll. Seeing that he acted in such a familiar way with the wiki, I decided to see how he would react to such a joke. Someone new would have believed other members of chat when they reassured him it was a joke (and the members of chat present there can testify that it was done in a very joking way, and that several other members did state that it was a joke). Someone old would have realized that I'm not to be trusted at all.

Rat, however, would see this as a perfect opportunity to get some form of revenge.

23:47, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, he has 23 edits on the map game wiki.

Permaban
Ninjas wanted to ask you guys is there anyway a permaban can be lifted or does he has to pass it as a family heirloom? He says he will do whatever he can, as long as it doesn't involve fighting wild animals, breaking into the Pentagon or taking over the known world.

Ahh, damn, whaddya know. The way to be forgiven involves breaking into the Pentagon. Too bad.

01:41, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

No, Nada, Zip, Nothing, etc. Lordganon (talk) 12:12, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

I've Been Thinking...
Hello, TSPTF and active members of the Wiki Community,

First, I'd like to thank you for your time. Second, I would like to bring up an important issue that I've been thinking about over the past two weeks - my ban.

So, as an overview of what took place, I was banned for 2 weeks because I had uploaded (over the course of over 1 year) 3 duplicate images. Nuke, the Lt. who banned me, also pointed to the fact that I delete one of his warnings, which, while true, was viewed out of context since I deleted 3/4 of my talk page with the warning and had not been told to keep the warning on my talk page.

To see the entirety of the problem (at least from my perspective), please see here: LG's talk page on another wiki.

The key facts are, though, that I was banned for 2 weeks (the same amount of time I was banned for harshly insulting and berating the faith of a fellow Wikian, FS) for 0.036% of all of my edits being bad, or 0.78% of my file edits. Additionally, while I have my issues, I have been active in reporting vandals, Ratc's return(s), and working on categorizing.

So, here is why I come before you today - not to cry out about the ban I have already dealt with, but rather to make a proposal to prevent this from taking place again. Now, I feel that some users, esp. those with over 2,500 edits, should have to be banned with the consent of the whole TSPTF unless in the case of vandalism, sockpuppetry, flame-baiting or other larger crimes.

This would give people a chance to defend themselves. I feel that most Wikians would be upset by the length of the ban for such a minor infraction which I committed over the course of 1+ years. If 2.5k is too few, perhaps 4k, but I think the principle is what must be considered. Thoughts? LG/Imp? Lts and Constables? 09:13, June 6, 2014 (UTC)

Still on about that? Sheesh. Nuke's warnings were clearly labeled as such. Your help is more or less irrelevant as to the block.

As for the idea, no way in hell.

Lordganon (talk) 09:45, June 6, 2014 (UTC)

LG, yes his warnings were clear, but they were spread out over the course of 1+ year, leading me to believe that I would not be banned for an over-the-top amount of time, like the amount of time I was banned for viciously attacking FS.

By pointing out my help, my purpose was to let everyone know that I made a couple of administrative errors, not a vital flaw that comprimised the wiki or was overtly offensive.

Please also note that I made a provision for supposed "felonies," but I think misdemeanors more often than not can be explained to some extent. I am not complaining about my ban - it is over for me. I just don't want this happen to others.

Please explain why not, LG? 17:42, June 6, 2014 (UTC)

Vandal
Look here for a vandal, someone block him. Saturn (Talk) 11:13, June 6, 2014 (UTC)

Ratc Strikes Again


Here is a snippet of a conversation I had with AnnihilationOfWorlds. The rest is left out for containing possible personal information. Tr0llis (talk) 23:59, June 7, 2014 (UTC)

Why don't you all just LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!!! You know I hate having a bad reputation!AnnihilationOfWorlds (talk) 00:03, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

DFTT?

It is too late Ratc, you commited a crime, and you must be punish, even if that punishment is unfair, it is what it is, and you choosed your path very well, you must deal with your actions for one moment, Man up and suck it up. Continue this and you will only be seen as a bugger. Prove yourself better and bring a better reputation from another place and perhaps you will be allowed once again into this wiki. And even that its a long shot Sine dei gloriem &#34;Ex Initio Terrae&#34; (talk) 00:06, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

Troll baiting?

Prehaps he has changed?

Are you enjoying hunting him down?

A which hunt?

Will he be alowed to prove he is less porfaine?Whipsnade (talk) 00:26, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

It's a shame - AnnihilationofWorlds (or Ratc) has actually shown improvement. However, rules are rules Anni - and there's a lot of evidence suggesting that you're Ratc. Rcchang (talk) 00:36, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

I am not Ratc.Whipsnade (talk) 00:49, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think anyone said you were. Tr0llis (talk) 00:51, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

OK.Whipsnade (talk) 00:53, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

Considering he admitted it to Trollis, and Sine (who im not sure took a screenshot) i believe its quite obvious what the option it. Lets be honest i dont want to sound mean, but i dont enjoy having to doubt every single new person that comes on thinking its Ratc. So lets end this once and for all

He also confessed a few lines up. Mscoree (talk) 17:09, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

If he is really Ratc, even if he improved, the rules are clear, He may have to be blockedALLONS-Y!!,Basically, RUN!! 17:27, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

Told you so.

17:45, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

rat agan? i knew anni was rat. -Sat (i was checking the wiki from summer camp, and i saw this DOWN WITH RATC)

Ratc has arrived again, this time with the name CaptainSmasher. Mscoree (talk) 21:17, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

He said he's continuing to come back again and again. We need to take action, or he'll turn into Owen 2.0. Bfoxius (talk)

If this happens again, I'm reporting all known usernames and IPs of Ratc to wikia. They blocked his Ratc account already for harassing me on other wikis as a warning. This is not only a waste of everyone's time, but it's putting everyone on edge, which I will not stand for.

CrimsonAssassin-See you, space cowboys 18:34, June 9, 2014 (UTC)

Ratc returned as LieutenantMario, and I've went to block it permanently. Just letting everyone know. -Seiga  2014 June 11, 05:25 (CET)

Continued Vandalism on New Union Articles
Several IPs have been making minor (though annoying) edits to several articles on New Union. Regardless of whether I block the IP or revert their edits, they simply revert them.

The IPs include:


 * 95.236.184.20
 * 95.244.185.120
 * 79.45.174.224

I've went ahead and protected several articles on the timeline to curve these edits and have contacted the recent IP address to cease these edits. After blocking one of the articles, the IP then commented on the talk page (which means he intended to continue vandalizing the article).

I have no doubt these are the same individual, which means there no real way to block them (since they can change their IPs [SonnyPatton all over again]). Not sure what to do beyond what I've already did, so I'll bring this up so it can be known. -- 17:04, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

Here is an anon vandal of this page -- List of Presidents of Chile (Central World). Edits reverted, just need a ban. Thanks, 09:16, June 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * Special:Contributions/14.2.44.77

I have another problem, this time with my timeline (6-2-5 Upheaval). So, I started writing some elections pages and accidentally made the page US Presidential Election of 1960 when I intended to make the page US Presidential Election of 1956. I moved the page to 1956, and I figured that'd be the end of my worries. That was a while back. Now, when I went to make the page for the election in 1960, I couldn't because I relocated the 1960 page and somehow I left a redirect when I renamed the page.

Can someone fix this problem for me? Thank You, 10:30, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Here you go. All I had to do was remove the redirect. Mscoree (talk) 10:34, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Ms. Sometimes I just cannot figure some basic stuff out. 23:59, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Linq
User Linq seems like to spam "Nice blog!" over some blogposts on this wiki. He also vandalizing 1983: Doomsday and making such nonsense editing on his own map game, Great Advance Restarted (Map Game).

FirstStooge (talk) 05:29, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Looks like someone trying to get badges easily rather than a malicious user. Gave him a warning. Will follow up with a block if he doesn't stop. CrimsonAssassin-See you, space cowboys 05:52, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Hi,

Linq is my friend at school. He spams because he thinks that if he has a lot of edits and badges, everyone will respect him. However, he uses the school computers, and as a result, I could not use the school computers to make any edits, and CaptainJohnRex and a few other users from my school couldn't either since the IP was banned.

Rcchang (talk) 22:58, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

Chat Abuse
I am sorry to bring up something that may be controversial, but these are the kinds of discussions that I feel need to be had, comfortable or not. As you all may (or may not) be aware, today is the day of the Political Elections.

Mostly a whimsical event taken too seriously by people like me, these are supposed to be fun ways to bring the community closer together. However, in chat today, things got quite serious.

A bit of background first. Chat has never really been too controlled. As Bfox put it once, it is a sort of "Wild West" with sherrifs brandishing their pistols in the air. There is one main dispute that rages on... the Squirrevolution. The main opponents are Guns and Fed. Guns sees the ban on squirrels (as imposed by Fed) to be tyrannical, as does much of the wiki.

Today, Fed was on the chat, along with Ms, Guns, Tr0llis, Andrew, myself, and a few others. Engaging in fun political banter, it became clear that the TSPTF were acting a bit authoritarian. (What can you expect from "Communists"?) They kicked Guns, then Sine, then Tr0llis, then banned Guns, and finally (without a kick as a warning or any other direct warning to me) I was banned. I cannot relate any of the story from there, as I was banned.

I asked Fed to unban me, or else this wiki would have this discussion. Well, now we are having this discussion.

According to Fed (and Crim, who I do not think [not sure, but definitely was not speaking] was on chat at the time), I was banned for ad hominem attacks on Andrew. The only comments I made were directed at either Comrade Bear (your stereotypical Communist, who Fed seems to personify) and Chairman Meow (the avatar which Andrew uses). None of the attacks were on Fed or Andrew directly but on their abuse of mod powers and Communist propaganda.

Additionally, I was banned for "spamming," although spamming is defined as "send[ing] the same message indiscriminately to (large numbers of recipients) on the Internet." I varied my message, but generally speaking all of my comments were aimed at the same idea, but not once did I repeatedly copy/paste the same message, as "spamming" would imply.

That was one incident, but not the only incident. Twice, when in an argument over the plausibility of Viva's African Vivimpire, Oyo/Najiria, he has kicked me when I have only argued about his nation and nothing else. Generally speaking, authoritarian modding practices are frowned upon by all other users in chat, but at the same time the mod will not notice/pay attention.

As I told Fed, unban me or this is going to Ganon. Enough really is enough, and mod abuse on chat has reached a tipping point. I am not sure what needs to be done to correct this issue for the long term (that is why we elect TSPTF members, no?) but something has to change. 03:37, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

Those attacks at "comrade bear" and "comrade meow" were obviously meant at us two. You don't have to refer directly to a person so that that person knows that attack is directed towards him.

As for the spam, the wording may have been marginally different every time you posted it, but the message remained the same. The definition applies. Fed (talk) 03:42, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

I never abused my mod powers against you Rex, you are cherry picking events here. I kicked troll for spamming not for political attacks, actually on chat I was very friendly toward political debate constantly saying everyone is allowed to voice my opinion. This is silly and there is no need to waste the TSPTF's time.ALLONS-Y!!,Basically, RUN!! 03:44, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

Fed, I attacked Comrade Bear and *Chairman* Meow precisely because I was attacking the hypocrisy of the purported beliefs of the Communist party, and those characters represent you in the Communist Party. Not once did I personally insult either of you - it was all directed at the ongoing political simulator elections. Andrew, I am not trying to say you did anything wrong. I don't really believe that Fed should get any reprimand for how he reacted. I just feel that this is a discussion that must be had - Chat.

I think that this is most definitely not a waste of the TSPTF's time, since we have an issue, and nothing can be resolved by day-long bans and resulting bad feelings. Since I cannot go onto chat to discuss this problem, we have to speak about it in a public forum, and this is the most appropriate public forum available.

I do not think I called you out for being overly authoritarian towards me, Andrew. You were not, and if that is the impression you got from what I passionately typed, I apologize.

Now, Fed, you make it sound like I just spammed messages like "Stop the Commies!" over and over. That is not true. I did indeed change what I was saying, and it was not intended to clutter the chat. While I did have a number of cliche (and perhaps in your mind overused by the world population as a whole) responses, I never truly spammed chat.

Furthermore, even if I did insult either of you on a personal level (which I did not, but you may have had different perceptives), there is a certain expectation to be had for the TSPTF, or the officers of the wiki. IRL, should an angry mob verbally attack police officers, they cannot do anything about it. I believe that as members of the TSPTF, you ought to act similarly. Perhaps I am a bit too romantic towards the reality which is the TSPTF, maybe I am a bit too romantic towards the expectations I have for Chat Moderation. 04:33, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

"I don't really believe that Fed should get any reprimand for how he reacted."

Is that why you blackmailed me saying 'unban me now or I go to Ganon' and why this post is titled 'mod abuse'? Fed (talk) 04:58, June 14, 2014 (UTC) Chat Abuse, but same difference, no? I seriously do not want you to get into any kind of trouble, but I think that what happened needs to be brought before the TSPTF and Lordganon. Fed, once you are done findng any ways in which I can be turned into the "bad one," I'd appreciate it if you could talk to the points which I made? 05:33, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll get the popcorn. Kurt Cobain&#39;s Haircut (talk)

Here is what I remember: What I don't understand is, we asked Fed permission to talk about the simulation (hold a "march"), he then said the attached picture. Also, no one is being blackmailed. IF anything Rex is holding his government accountable.
 * I quoted the Blues Brothers and said the line about "Orange Whips". I said orange whips the amount of times in the quote (about three lines overall) and Fed kicked me for spamming. That I can understand at least.
 * I then started talking about the government simulation and politics differing from Fed's beliefs. I was then banned.

Tr0llis (talk) 12:58, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

Firstly, I would like to point one thing out; I was most certainly not spamming. At no point did I even repeat the same sentence (well, except for a few celebrations about the Netherland's 5-1 smashing of spain- #ORANJE2014).

Secondly, the Squirrevolution is not nonsensical. It's satirical. There IS a difference.

13:11, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

Can someone remind me what's going on? Bfoxius (talk)

Apperently, Rex said something stupid, ticked off Fed, and got banned. Or at least that's what I'm reading. With Guns and Tr0llis, I can understand the kicking. They do a lot of stuff in chat that gets them kicked a lot (like spamming squirrel smilies). With Sine, it was probably for laughs for for something justifiable by the mods. With Rex, he says a host of stupid and unneccessary things, such as harassing a user over their actions in a map game (such as myself). So there is probably more to his ban than we know. Just a shame I didn't see that conversation go down myself. And Rex, I kicked your during the argument because you becoming annoying, disrespectful, and insulting my actions and my intelligence because I refused to conform to your views of ATL. Saying a kicked you for no reason is pushing it. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 13:58, June 14, 2014 (UTC)