User talk:Imperium Guy

Just to tell everyone, I am 86.153.249.120, 81.131.124.48. I decided to create a user name for meself. --Imperium Guy 20:30, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

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Re: TGN
Not sure about that, Imp. I'm not really a historian. Maybe you should ask the others, like Nuke or LG or whoever else is an expert in Russian and Soviet history. Godfrey Raphael (talk) 15:13, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

Well, the Soviets really wanted to get closer to Middle Eastern oil, or so I've read. They'll probably get involved in the two fronts of Donskoya and Afghanistan if they see the revolution in Donskoya as just another revolt to put down, like in Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968, because Afghanistan is probably still their main target in 1979. It will be interesting to see which one of these wars will be considered the Soviet Vietnam, though. Godfrey Raphael (talk) 03:33, December 27, 2013 (UTC)

I wonder if we'll see an independent Chechnya, Abkhazia, Ossetia, Transnistria, and an Armenia united with Nagorno-Karabakh in this TL. I had a bit of an obsession with the Caucasus countries a while ago, and I do hope that the time will come when they'll finally be recognized. In fact, in my personal TL Birth of Krakozhia (which is being continued off-wiki), all or most of the countries I just mentioned are independent and recognized by the world. So sorry, Afghanistan, but you're not the first country on the alphabetical list anymore!

Sorry about the last bit. Random rant from me. :-D Godfrey Raphael (talk) 08:36, December 27, 2013 (UTC)

Well I patiently wait for the new green Greenland. Godfrey Raphael (talk) 09:15, December 27, 2013 (UTC)

Fine by me. Godfrey Raphael (talk) 10:09, December 27, 2013 (UTC)

Looking at the Rossland page, I noticed that it had something called Nunaqarfik bordering it to the north. What do you make of it? Will you include it in the timeline? Godfrey Raphael (talk) 11:43, December 27, 2013 (UTC)

Wanted to note, Imp, for the record, that most of what you are looking at doing to TGN (based on your sandbox) would violate the rules with regards to changing the content of things you adopted.

If it helps, would have been less plausible anyway.

Lordganon (talk) 08:41, January 4, 2014 (UTC)

Stirlings
As an fyi, I had to remove your flag nomination because you didn't sign it. No special treatment :s Sorry.

For the record, if it helps, will very likely be taking nominations for a couple days into January.

Lordganon (talk) 16:59, December 31, 2013 (UTC)

And to you as well, lol. You should make a few more nominations, too ;) Lordganon (talk) 20:15, December 31, 2013 (UTC)

Removed the photoshopped picture nomination you made - it's entirely user-made, not photoshopped. Also, the picture you nominated for the maps lifetime achievement award, while technically valid, isn't something he made, either. Lordganon (talk) 13:23, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

To say that that was overstepping your boundaries would be an understatement, Imp. Voting is not closed yet, and won't be until at least the original delay has been compensated for. Lordganon (talk) 06:49, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

Re:TGN... Again
Hey Imp! LOL don't worry about it. ;) Now, I haven't worked on TGN in over oh gosh, 2-3 years? So I may be rusty on some of the details, but I'll try my best:

1. The Norse... Hmm, well the answer to your second question is that yes I believe this was a battle on Greenland. I doubt they would get into it with the Scandinavians, I'm pretty sure I intended to have the Norse break ties with the motherland (probably because they could sustain themselves in a Greenland with better climate and crop conditions). As to smallpox, I suppose it could work, I'm not really an expert in that field :P

2. That's a good idea actually, I can't believe I didn't include Sweden in there! Not sure why I even had Spain going in that direction anyway to be honest, LOL. It's all up to you, it's your timeline now, have fun with it :D (And hehehe, it's such an interesting country, I just try to give them a break in my timelines yeno.)

3. That's an interesting idea, considering the nation is in such proximity to Canada (I think I included in the original TL a referendum on New Dorset to join Canada or something?). Would the US-influence happen like I originally had it, with the occupation coming from WW2? And I can't seem to find that part about the R-A Company, what's its header?

Sorry, I may not have been much help; it has been a while, but like I said, you have good ideas, and I would support you any route you go :P. Also, I may be coming to you in the near future for my timeline; it is still in the works, but I am considering having a surviving Maratha Confederacy and I may need to bring some things about it by you later. Regards, ChrisL123 (talk) 18:06, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

Chat
Join it please.

Removed comments
I removed your comments from the discussion on Nova Britannia because I no longer wish for you to take any part in this timeline (regardless of whether it is a page or a discussion). I assumed you understood this, especially after you've removed any mention of the timeline from your userpage and sandboxes. -- 16:35, January 7, 2014 (UTC)

Previously Discussed Issue
I won't be on later, and I want to know if you have a resolution. Message me "Yes" or "No"

Talk to Quashi. He's gotta be an ally, and we can offer him a lot; tell him about their plan for Trollis in Italy, that'll help. He can't side with them- so let's get hhim to side with us.

23:05, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

Yes or No
Which was it?

Imp, I trust you to a great degree, but I am really confused by all that is going on (almost meta-gamingly) with regards to PM3. Is my nation at risk, or is it more about Italy (as I am taking away from this all). 06:40, January 16, 2014 (UTC)

Have you got a result from the second request?

Imp. Positive or Negative. Local has blown it over the wiki- is it true?

23:15, January 16, 2014 (UTC)

Imp, I have no intention of going to war with you. I simply want insurance against any attacks from the "Establishment" of PM. I had earlier received threats from MP, Guns, Crim, among others (this was a while back, albeit) that Hungary would take me out, in conjunction with Kalmar, central Europe (Germany/Italy) and Spain.

So, if you do not threaten me, I will not threaten you. 23:22, January 16, 2014 (UTC)

Why thank you, and please come on chat because HFS HFS HFS.

00:13, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

Botswana
Thank's Imp, yeah i had planned on having Botswana invade the Angolan communists as part of a push towards achieve some sort of major water reserves/river, Botswana being a nation in OTL that suffers from increasing desertification. With regards to when the event would take place, I had planned for it to begin in around 2011/2012 and carry on for a couple of years at least, I had envisioned that while the Botswanan troops were probably very good at desert conflicts by now they might struggle in the different environment of Angola, I doubt I'll begin work on the event for a while though, I have to have a desire to work on it which i currently lack for most of my stuff on here, excluding the Dutch Superpower TL of course so if you wanted to do something with Botswana i would have no objection. I had viewed botswana's relationship with the AEC as a primarily economic one, the Botswanan's have a relatively speaking "Good" industry on account of it all surviving doomsday as well as access to considerable raw materials that the other AEC members lack. Botswana gains on account of it having acess through the AEC to fresh water supplies and a port from which they can trade. --Vegas adict (talk) 13:21, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

NE
Any response yet?

Banning Problem
Dude, can you mind unbanning me from chat? 3 days is kind of a bit too long for a chat ban don't you think?Ratc3333 Here, Prepare for Combat (talk) 00:08, January 21, 2014 (UTC)

Response
I'm no longer contributing to DD and haven't for some time. If you want to work with the ANZC that's fine with me.BrianD (talk) 22:00, January 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * personal reasons, including the fact I have other things going on writing-wise. I'm glad people like you and LG are keeping 1983:DD going, and if you want to adopt ANZC and any other page/nation I had taken ownership of, that's fine by me. Best of luck! BrianD (talk) 01:03, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

Why
have you not archived this page yet?

12:58, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

lol You have a point, but less people venture into the deep pits of my talk page. Besides, yours is longer.

13:01, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

The map is the main problem.

13:12, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

The geographic map shouldn't be that hard. We just need to depict Zealandia, big Antarctica, and Hyperborea properly. Then we can do whatever.

Anyways, I'd really like a Russian Empire, at least as big as OTL present-day Russia, but I'll give you your Holy Roman Empire if I can get a bigger Russian Empire.

Also, I think island chains like Japan and the Phillippines wouldn't exist, and maybe the British Isles would crash into Scandinavia, mainland Europe, or even Hyperborea. Just some thoughts.

13:49, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

Maybe a Kingdom of America, formed by some abolished or chased away monarchy?

14:15, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

Maybe somewhere in Canada. KINGDOM OF THE HUDSON BAY.

15:42, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

Mscoree
This insane man ---> http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Adoption:Alternate_History_Wiki

FirstStooge (talk) 01:52, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Another Try
Hey Imp! That looks good, I like the color on it. It's much brighter/pops more than the one I currently have on the TL. I like it!

KingSweden (talk) 02:09, January 31, 2014 (UTC)

Tell me man, im here. Quashi (talk) 20:53, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations, Imperium Guy!


Great job, Imp.

Lordganon (talk) 11:36, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

AHEM
What is "The Great Lakes"? And why am I not in it?

Re. Erm
I'm not meaning to abandon FTBW, I just want to start working on a new TL.

Personally, I would like to get away from the hammer/sickle/star combo of OTL communism/socialism. Also, there is a difference between National Socialism, Socialism and Communism in my TL that is different from OTL. To put it simply:


 * ATL National Socialism is a left wing uber-nationalist movement: State owns everything, and everyone is equal, but the State, and the Natso party, represents the state and the state must be great/expand, etc. etc.
 * ATL Socialism/Marxism is more centrist and democratic, and the State is the guiding hand of the nation/economy, suppressing things that threaten equality while promoting those that promote it. This is what ATL Karl Marx will talk about, and this is what the Socialist Party of the US would follow. It was believed that Socialism would work better in industrialized countries, which technically it does.
 * ATL Communism is an offshoot of Socialism, but was more developing country oriented. The state does control the economy, but does so to develop the country. ATL Communism is not expansionist like OTL Communism was seen to be, instead focusing on developing the country until true Socialism could take root. Of course, this form of communism was dictorial, and even when the country would have finished "developing" the Communist party wouldn't just hand over the reigns of power, leading to a struggle.

That is the way that I see these three ideologies developing. I'm still trying to think what a good symbol would be to represent all of these (except National Socialism, as each country would have their own symbol: Germany the Swastika, the UK a sword, etc. etc.) Tbguy1992; Talk; Blog 20:21, February 2, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure, to be honest. At this point, I want to think of the images that an be used to represent Socialism and Communism, and then progress from there.


 * What I may do is make Socialism/Marxism be represented by the Hammer (industry) and the sickle Communism (agriculture), and then together it can represent an ATL Internationale. Tbguy1992; Talk; Blog 20:44, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

I thought that state had ASB called on it and pre-ice coming down it can be that. OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM

Have you read it yet? When you have, message me your thoughts, please.

I don't think I'll be playing PMIII, I just won't have the time, sorry Imp :( Airlinesguy (talk) 00:40, February 9, 2014 (UTC)

ICW
We've made a google docs. Give me your email so I can add you :D

23:39, February 9, 2014 (UTC)

Also, let's split the Angolas. As in, we collab. Again. LOLOL

23:42, February 9, 2014 (UTC)

The Ottoman Problem
The Ottoman build up in the balkans it very worrying, should we pre-emptive strike? Or should we wait for the attack, I think its going to come soon.Stephanus rex (talk) 16:57, February 11, 2014 (UTC)

Take a look at the HRE page. The Msgang is having fun and totally fair elections... again.

Sorry Imp :( I'll play with you another time, hopefully, it's been fun playing with you :) Airlinesguy (talk) 14:27, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

We have a good opportunity to smash the Ottoman presence in Europe if we attack while they are preoccupied in Mesopitamia.Stephanus rex (talk) 18:04, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

PM3: Call to War
Seeming as the Austrians have finally decided to find a way to attack, it is time to crush them.

I need you and all your vassals to join the war full on so we can crush Austria.

As soon as we win the war I can give you most of east Austria, which I am sure is a good compensation for participation.

Thanks for all help. And yes this is a generic message to all my allies with slightly personalised parts, it is the best way to contact people. :L Kunarian TALK 09:50, February 13, 2014 (UTC)

Prague (and Moscow) Delenda est, methinks.

00:42, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

Might support that second bit. Stephanus rex (talk) 01:12, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

Now might be a good time to smash the Ottoman presence in Europe, as they are tied up in  a war with Mesopotamia and the Mamluks. Stephanus rex (talk) 18:05, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

PM3
Get involved on the UNC war. We're beating em already- need you and Imp to make it a knock out punch.

00:48, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

WE SMASHED EM! 13.8% IN THE HRE! 20% IN RUSSIA! Ms is making a treaty for the Russia part.

PEACE I'M OUT I'M GUNS!!!

23:26, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

Isiro. Civil war. Writing. GOOD GOD MAN, TAKE A HINT AND WRITE!!

00:49, February 22, 2014 (UTC)

Invitation.
This is a formal invitation for you, sir/madam to come join Look Out, Sir! (Map Game) ! It is a WW2 alternate history map game, set in the year 1943. The rule system is set after Principia Moderni III (Map Game) and some other major map games. The battle algorithm is a modified version of the one used by The War That Came Early (Map Game) . We have a lot of room and I am hoping to make this into another one of those successful map games. So if you could come on down and pick a nation to rule and see what happens, that would be much appreciated. - Sincerely, Blocky858 (talk) and the rest of the LOS staff,

Principia Nevermind
Hello, I noticed you recently edited the page Principia Nevermind recently. I have not been working on it over the past week or so, due to many factors both in-wiki and outside. Now, however, I am to concentrate more on my personal timeline and Principia Nevermind. I am hoping we could brainstorm up some ideas, as I can't imagine Pnvm being a giant timeline. Bow To Your Sensei. BOW TO YOUR SENSEI!!!

I can personally see a much more centralized Map Game universe, similar to the old days of Map Gaming when people voted and brainstormed their ideas on this page. I can also see more rules and regulations regarding the games, mostly the amount of games and things of that sort. This would lead to a select few map games such as Axis vs Allies and States of America being "endlessly reloaded", and taking the place of PM. Community timelines would be a bigger draw, and I can see those timelines as a whole becoming much larger. Single-user timelines would probably not change much, as everyone has their own little timeline here, no matter how large or small, but some may be slightly larger. One more thing, it would be interesting to imagine alternate althistorians such as an alternate Oer or LG (alternate Imp or Bfox?)

re:Thank You
Hey, don't mention it! I was up at 3am with nothing to do, so I figured I'd do some spring cleaning. Also, thank you; it was a pain to get that thing right. CrimsonAssassin- I have special eyes 17:42, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

Road to War algo evaluation
ive put the first part of the new algo system ive been working on on the talk page of my map game wouldyou mind taking a look and giving me your opinion. Nkbeeching (talk) 13:06, February 24, 2014 (UTC)

this is the link Road to war Algo

Yunnan-Hubei
Sorry I've taken so long, I haven't had acces to a computer outside of school for a couple of months.

Yes, I'll delete the references.

It would definetley be nice for aid, but Hubei would not subject itself to another nation. They view themselves as the sole, more or less, government of China. Even if another country was incredibly more powerful, Now, they would be very supportive of a federation of sorts. Maybe the title NPRC, or FRC (Federal Republic of China). Now, if Yunnan is close to Hubei, wouldn't it make sense for contact and potential aid to be established earlier?

EDIT: I just realized I confused Yunnan with Sichuan. With that in mind, while Hubei would accept aid and contact, Hubei would definitely not subject itself to a nation so far way-and communist.

Canuck2012 (talk) 02:28, March 1, 2014 (UTC)Canuck2012

Okay, I really haven't been up-to-date in regards to DD. So Gansu's been conquered and Yunnan's gone democratic?

I'm still iffy with the idea. For it to work, wouldn't they need to be in closer proximity? Anyway, if federation is possible, I might rework Hubei so it regards itself more as a transitional authority rather than an independent state.

Canuck2012 (talk) 01:13, March 2, 2014 (UTC)Canuck2012

welcome?
imp its me nkbeeching im using my grand fathers computer right now,

Austria in pm iii
we need to deal with austria now he is to powerful

i propose breaking free of the hre and having him declare war to force me to stay, that will pull you all in to helprotect me since i have long standing relations with most of europe. Nkbeeching (talk) 00:13, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

India in IFF
Hey, Imp! How are you?

I need to ask you a reference question, given that I don't know anything about India and you're the resident expert.

I am thinking of an Indic Federation in my timeline, as the most plausible way (in my opinion) to keep India affiliated to the United Kingdom. The Federation would be a loose confederation of nations, organised as six main Leagues (Islamic - West, Islamic - East, Hindu, Tamil, Buddhist, Christian) which are, at the same time, composed of either federal provinces (much like US or Indian states today) or the Princely States, which still exist in their awfully complicated glory as part of these Leagues. All of these complicated things are held together by the largest Parliament ever (I'm thinking either 1001 or 1501 representatives) and the Emperor him/herself, tied to the United Kingdom (maybe possibly a diarchy, with the Nehru dynasty acting as local Kings of India?)

What do you think of my ideas, and do you have any suggestions? Fed (talk) 00:18, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

War
Recently, Austria has invaded me following a war in Novgorod. I believe now is an opportune time to strike while the iron is hot and take Austria out. It's time to free Europe from Ms' grip. CrimsonAssassin- gib clay 02:40, March 25, 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't ask if I didn't think it was important or relevant to your interests lol. CrimsonAssassin- gib clay 13:29, March 25, 2014 (UTC)

Hungarian Royal Family (PM3) II: Return of the Ugro-Croats
There you go, all better, is it not? ~Sky



Viva
Nothing to do with that, Imp.

Posted about it on the group page.

Overall, however, despite a warning and a final warning, he made a major ass of himself again, even going so far as to insult other members of the team. Conduct unbecoming in a major way.

Not the first time I or others have warned members of the time to behave - but sure as heck the first one to disregard the warning.

Quite frankly, my first thought was to bring the concept of impeachment to the group, but decided this to be more prudent, in order to give him an opportunity to "smarten up" first.

Not going to be so restrained next time.

Incredibly disturbed that I had to do this, quite frankly. Thought Viva had gotten better, hence why I did not oppose his nomination (which was something I had to think about) in the first place, and instead chose to not comment on it. Regret it now.

Lordganon (talk) 12:11, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I'm aware of that - though the Africa wanks he keeps trying to stuff into places are getting a bit old by now. This one's better than the Yellowstone one, mind. I know from what he's said to me before that he's some sort of black nationalist, but this is to much.

Shame he didn't calm down when you told him to. Had he, would have let it slide this time.

Any "end of the sick" he's getting right now is more or less his own fault.

Lordganon (talk) 12:34, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Poland PM3
It's ok I'll fix it Saturn120   12:12, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

It's cool man don't worry Saturn120   12:34, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

Hungarian flag (PM3)
There, svg and everything ~Sky

Good Community Writer?
Hey Imp, I was wondering if you would like to help me on my timeline Hitler the Artist. You seem like a good community timeline writer, so I'm asking you to help on my timeline. Now I know you are a site admin, so if your busy give me a heads up if you have better things to do. Saturn120  20:13, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

Sure any help would be (Well helpful) I'll just give you a heads up if I need any help on templates, infoboxes, ect. Saturn120  20:18, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

What I need currently is ideas for what would happen after the time Hitler becomes senator. I was probabaly thinking a socialist revolution in the Weilmar because hitler never got in the socialist party causing the second German revolution (or third). any ideas would be helpful. Saturn120  20:23, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

P.S hitler was into SOCIALISM NOT COMMUNISM

Maybe there could be a socialist revolution, but then crushed by us and democratic forces. Saturn120  20:32, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

Sure but when? Saturn120  20:39, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

The Weimar fights away the revolution in 1919, but loses Prussia to the Socialists and Rosa Luxembourg, leading to some kind of late 1940's WW2, with the USSR, Prussia, and other communists/socialists Saturn120   22:30, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

There, got the PoD up, along with Hitler's dog :-)

Link: http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_(Hitler_The_Artist)

Sure, you can go ahead and start writing away on it. I'll look and determine if some things are plausible or not.

What's Your Favorite Alloy?
I sure hope it's brass because I would like to nominate you for Brass in the TSPTF! CrimsonAssassin- gib clay 20:35, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

Stuff
All righty... Replies to posts left on my page for the last long while. Sorry it took so long - backlog got really big.

And, apologies if anything is contradictory, both within this post, and with past information, or out of date. Bet on having to look back on my page to see whatever the heck I'm going on about, lol.

Don't know if I said something or not overall, but... We had to move, quite rapidly. Not because of flooding, but because sewage backed up all over the apartment, and the management/ownership did more or less nothing. Not safe or healthy to live in that, and a chance meeting with our lawyer about a difference matter informed us that under the tenant code, we could get out for free because of it. So, we did. Packed and moved in about a week and a half. Very hectic, and spent the next month unpacking. Still not done, actually, but it is low-level work now - need to replace a few pieces of ruined furniture for most of the rest that is still in boxes.

It really doesn't make any sense for them to attack the Cape. Even less to go after the OFS, really.

I would chalk that line about NB going after the OFS up to an error. Just remove that part. It makes no sense at all. Doubt they would have even had a border at that time.

Makes no sense for the SAC and ANZC to establish such a state.

NB withdrew because it was expensive (in men, money, and general resources), was hurting them in a major way internationally (both diplomacy and trade) and was making them fight insurgents.

With regards to TGN, basically all of the ideas you have listed in your sandbox don't work. The Dorset stuff is the worst. What's there now is plausible - your ideas, by and large, are not. Even with regards to climate it doesn't work - there is already places the water would have gone. Overall, tone them down.

Think that's everything for now. If more details/answers are wanted, just ask.

Lordganon (talk) 15:06, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

"Would have gone" - not "was gone." Big difference. Greenland would have underwater areas, large amounts of groundwater, and some amount of icecap would remain. For it to have rain and soil would also mean more moisture, at least locally, in the water cycle. That basically takes care of all the water. As for Arctic ice, it's basically a "wash" with regards to water compared to it being frozen. So no, there would be no effects elsewhere.

Not only would Dorset not have taxes raised, but it would be isolated. There would be no revolts. Be a very small population there irregardless. It joining the Americans in any form, or not being easily put down, is even worse. None of the motives for the American revolts would exist there.

Spain and Portugal having colonies in this Greenland makes sense. Natives, gold, silver, gems, and farmland. All the motives are there. And with the climate being better than otl, they'd explore up there. Would not be large colonies, but they would be there nevertheless.

Basically impossible for the Soviets to control any of an overseas Russian colonial empire. No fleet or overseas reach. As for the Russians controlling beyond Alaska in North America, the Rockies more or less dictate that it isn't possible. A better climate doesn't change that. And I would still guess that it gets sold to the US irregardless - a better climate, again, changes little about the reasons for that one being sold. Russian colonies in and around Greenland would not be sold, as they would have none of the same problems, or at least share them with several other states.

The tribes that migrated did so on occasion due to climate - i.e. droughts, which would still occur - but more often to to pressures they put either on each other, or from states like China. "Slavs" would not be settling Siberia. Russians would. There is, in fact, a difference. And of course they would be somewhat different - the same thing happened otl in that regard. But the difference is minor, and they only moved into the area in the first place after the Tsar conquered it. Colonization would be about as fast as otl - the reasons who it being slow, overall, have little to do with climate, and everything to do with size.

Both Denmark and Spain, as well as Portugal, would be in play. Only reason the Danes got the whole thing otl is because no one else held much interest. This would not be the case atl.

Napoleonic Wars, would be about the same as the results for the vast majority of French colonies otl.

WWII is something that as represented currently in the timeline needs scaling and adjusting - large parts, imo, don't make all that much sense. Especially having the Nazis there at all, since they lacked the ability to do that.

Lordganon (talk) 07:57, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

Archiving is on the to-do list. Higher priorities right now.

Arctic Ice would probably be seasonal. It melting and thawing would have basically no impact, overall. Sea ice, after all, and the melted water would more or less just take the place of the ice. Those areas you refer to for soil would be more or less unchanged.

Correct - would not rebel. Think of it as being more akin to the other British colonies at the time of the revolution, outside of NA. Just no slaves.

Norway and Sweden are also basically isolated until the 1800s and 1600s, respectively. And that Norwegian date is actually through the Swedes. More or less impossible for them to get colonies before others.

Green North map actually has Danish and Norwegian colonies as well, fyi - the Danish one would be an early claim, and the Norwegian one probably is a descendant of an earlier Swedish colony.

Map has Spain only holding a small bit. Probably was bigger in the past, mind.

Several references in all that to Soviets controlling Donskoya in some form. Would not be any communist movement at all there.

Alaska was very distant from Russia, and still would be atl - any sailing through the Northern Ocean would not change that. It also directly bordered a hostile British Empire, which could also cut it off entirely from Russia itself. Sell it before it gets taken in a war.

Russians have Siberia. Would not bother going to the expense of sending prisoners that far away. As for gold, no way.

Atl you'd not see any significant changes with regards to the native inhabitants of Siberia. Roughly the same population, and Russians steamroll them.

No, not stripped of them - more like taken for the duration, like pretty much all French colonies were. Returned after the fact.

Lordganon (talk) 11:08, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

Can only see a couple small areas in Siberia and the Peace River Country in Canada having any improvement like that with regards to soil, and even that a slight expansion northwards (not that it would be usable - trees - for a long time)

The geography of Greenland in TGN more or less means that two colonies have to happen. The area with all the lakes between them. Would make things, in many ways, geographically isolated except by sea. Be a lot like the reasons for many colonies in NA otl.

Norway would not stay part of Sweden. Even for the century they were part of it otl, it was forced. Had to be conquered, in fact.

If the Swedish colony is mostly Norwegian, or is under the Norway subdivision, it goes to Norway. Heck, not impossible for them to even get it in the original conquest following the various treaties after the Napoleonic Wars.

Old map, since, quite honestly, yours makes little sense. You forget, overall, that Greenland is resource-rich, too. Just colder.

Did not realize that that was something you added to the TL. Would have criticized the old content for the reasons already stated. Overall, you'd really not see any Communists. Have to be screened to go here, and it lacks the factories, serfs, etc. that enable it in Russia itself. Same reasons in a lot of ways that the communists took power where they did, not in Siberia, which would be similar to this area in many ways.

Yeah, keeping Alaska is pretty much not going to happen. Question of the neighbors.

Gold in Alaska is not a question of "luck." Time, money, effort, and experience elsewhere is needed first. Took a long time to find it after the sale otl, remember.

French would be more established on Greenland than the Russians, and the Brits would be the occupiers. They wouldn't give any of it away.

Agreed with the no serfdom in Greenland. Akin in many ways to Siberia and Alaska otl.

But, not about the New World populations being lower. Russia, Ukraine, etc. would be a bit lower. Immigrants in addition to the otl ones.

Greenland could be different, I suppose, but not like you've discussed before, or that map. Just doesn't work. Chris' map does. Be somewhat against rules to change it anyway.

Lordganon (talk) 11:52, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Not at all similar to Australia. The Australian Outback is in the middle of the continent, not dividing it in half.

By the time that you could go between the colonies easily, they would already have their own established identities, with, presumably, little in common. Think of it as being like Australia and New Zealand, with regards to reasons why they are two states.

It is definitely a bit unusual for both of the British colonies to have capitals inland like that. Ross City is unquestionably the more unusual of the two, however. Move it to the inlets up the eastern coast from New Sussex. Put something else at the current location.

You're not quite getting me about Norway, Imp - You'd have part of the Danish colony, populated by Norwegians, going to Sweden in the peace settlement. When Norway becomes independent, the colony goes with it. Same concept happened with several islands otl. Sweden would get none of it.

In context, fyi, I have to assume that the (presumably) American part in that area was intended to have been purchased by the Americans from Denmark, not that that makes sense. Add it to the Danish colony.

Furs would be a part of it, but I'm thinking more things like gold and gems. Quite a lot of those there otl, just the ice cap and climate makes them hard to find in any real numbers. Be much easier to find atl.

A Cascadia state like that really doesn't work, Imp. Would only be otl BC, and it really could not go it alone then.

Russians still would not sell it to the Brits. Be more or less the same reasons as otl - to spite them.

Russians would not be as established as you think. Remember, they still have to colonize Siberia, and build railways from there to the coasts.

Think of it as being like Alaska: kind of an afterthought to their empire. Yes, they'd have trading posts and maybe a couple small settlements there early on, but it would pretty much stay that way until the mid to late 1800s, at best. Have a look at what Alaska looked like when the US bought it, and it would be like that, though would be in that condition longer.

Because of that, and the French loss of colonies elsewhere, the French colony would be larger than you think.

The city "Gagarin" should probably be renamed, fyi - doubt they would name it after a Soviet cosmonaut.

Just because the peoples of the Russian Empire have other places internally to go means little. A lot of them left for NA because they wanted to be free. While Greenland is free, it is still Russian - basically, a non-starter. Numbers in NA are going to be comparable to otl.

However, the population of Russia would still, as you surmise, be somewhat lower. I say Russia here, because the numbers from elsewhere in the Russian Empire would be very small by comparison, and would no doubt be restricted.

That is not to say, however, that the population of the colonies should be lowered. You're going to see a lot of refugees fleeing the Civil War coming there. Especially with the Czar around.

Thought a bit about the Donskoya colony, too - doubt it could exist. Despite the changes you have in the atl, that still shouldn't change those islands from being barren rocks into really habitable places.

Second you adopted it, the other person lost any say in it. Remember, the adoption rules dictate that you change as little as possible, and only changing (major) things that are outright ludicrous. Minor things are inconsequential. Just because you adopted something doesn't mean you can change it willy-nilly, Imp.

Lordganon (talk) 16:35, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

Couple more things...

Don't forget that all of these colonies need coastline. You can't shrink that aspect of them down.

Diplomat of the Eastern Stars. In theory you can add to it, but that's considered a bit improper, imo.

Yeah, more or less the same. Add the ability to do promotions, and I do know that there are some other minor, "backroom" functions that can be adjusted in addition to that (not that I know exactly what, mind)

User rankings = promotions.

Lordganon (talk) 16:39, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

Those land links, however, are tiny. More or less isolation. They'd be swampland, too. Virtually impassable for a long time.

Far more of a difference between the Aussies and Kiwis than you think there is.

Primary reasons for them not being one state are the distance/isolation, and economic differences. Was never really seriously considered.

The Australian colonies had clear, though long, connections along the coast. They also, by and large, started as satellites of the first colony. For the most part, common interests too.

The two Greenland colonies, they'd not have the land connection, realistically. By my guess, they'd also be started by two competing land companies. Really, for them to be one state is kinda unlikely.

Good choice for relocating Ross City. Elizabeth, works. And a good idea for another city where Ross is on the map. Hudson, however... there would be good reason to leave it alone. He explored a lot more than Hudson Bay, remember - would not be shocking for him to explore Greenland some. An inlet named after him, and then the settlement from there, would be logical.

Remember with Sweden that they aren't geared towards the Atlantic at all. They may be the most populated Nordic nation, but unlike Norway and Denmark, they are Baltic-oriented. There's a reason why they went for the Baltic Empire concept rather than a colonial one, overall.

That the US would simply take over that area makes no sense. Temporary occupying, sure - but not annexation.

Less time to find them than you think - to some degree, they can be found on the surface otl. Cold meant that it was never really looked into until recent years. Explorers would find some atl, though it would not be mined too heavily - cold, isolation, etc. Furs would indeed be a lot of the resources used - bet on that, actually, being the companies the Brits have on the island.

Japan, not an option. By the time they would have the ability, the Russians would have no interest in selling it to them.

True, it would be a boost to their ambitions. But the same restrictions would still apply.

Closer to the British model.

Probably not a smaller Ukraine, truth be told - the initial population loss from extra immigrants would get evened out, by and large, by less deaths from the "famine" in the 1930s.

Increased rain in Greenland doesn't mean increased rain elsewhere in the High Arctic. Greenland has better, in theory, climatic conditions than the rest. At best, the rocks in the High Arctic would turn into tundra. Basically unfit for any settlement. Rocks are more likely.

Romanova's capital being on that lake makes some sense - warmer location. New Devon's should probably be moved to the coast, however.

Another thing - the Norwegian state, change the name of the capital. It would already be long established before Amundsen was even born, and I doubt they would have changed the name later.

Rule is in place to prevent people from taking over timelines and deleting everything.

Timeline is already using otl people, and sticking to as near an otl path as is possible. You're pretty much stuck with it.

Quite frankly, I thought, and still think, Lurk is wrong. His numbers were not as good as he thought they were, for starters. Past that, predestination is at play. Depends how you want to go overall, if that makes sense, and your beliefs.

By and large, using guys you make up normally ends up making shoddy writing anyway.

Lordganon (talk) 09:52, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

What?
What do you mean?What did I do on chat?

20:47, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Old news, Impo. That came from before I left in the first place, and is wrong, too, as it refers to MP, not Ms.

Besides, we knew Eip wasn't trustworthy. Toby was, and proved it, ish.

21:50, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

And in any case, Delenda Est Carthago was a known codeword to MP, too. Please, most of us were too far away from him to even touch him if he DID betray us. We were just trying to scare him.

Anyhow, dammit, Imp. You told me LG supported the PRC invasion of Gansu. He says he dislikes the idea, though it is somewhat plausible. Damn you.

22:07, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Took you time, haha.

18:50, April 5, 2014 (UTC)

Banu Salaam
As it stand you and scraw both went for that area and Scraw did in fact hold a fair bit of territory before you vassalized them so its reflected on the map the area he took is not all the much but Aragon (now Italy) did in fact have a presence in the Cyrenaica region

Deletion
O Great and Mighty Deletor,

Seeing as you've added yourself to the deletion section;

There are a number of pages of my own I have asked for the TSPTF to delete- just look at almost all the The Arrow that Missed TL.

Thank you, and regards,

A humble user.

01:09, April 8, 2014 (UTC)

Oyo's OTL Fall
You wanted a reason why Oyo collapsed earlier today. Well here's why: "The downfall of the Kingdom of Oyo was rather swift. Abiodun, concerned with little other than grand displays of royal wealth, allowed the Oyo army to disintegrate. This in turn allowed weaker peripheral states to break free of Oyo's control. One of those states, Dahomey, in the southwest, soon became a political and military rival. Oyo was also affected by the Fulani Jihad waged by Muslims on its northern frontier. Eventually these provinces broke free as well."

Here's the source: http://www.blackpast.org/gah/oyo

So as you can see, Oyo didn't "fail." it leader just mismanaged the nation's resources, and someone else came to replace Oyo as the regional hegemon. The others were simply destroyed by the British through slavery and colonialism. Oh, fun-fact. According to Wikipedia, 22% of Oyo's population lived in cities 100,000 100,000, while 50% of the population resided in cities 100,000 50,000. The number is similar to the United States urban population of the 1950s. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 06:11, April 11, 2014 (UTC)

Title
So, what's your TSPTF title going to be?

Bane of the Squirrevolution, perhaps?

Or should we save that for Feddy?

22:27, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

Game, as I told Scraw, is up to Ms. He's our admin on MGW.

Haha, you do that. Imperium Guy, Bane of the Squirrevolution, Grand Poobah of the Austere Tempore!

Oh, by the way, the list of articles to be deleted- That's it, thanks.
 * Persia (The Arrow That Missed)
 * Byzantine Empire (The Arrow That Missed)
 * Delhi Sultanate (The Arrow That Missed)
 * Vijaynagara Republic (The Arrow That Missed)
 * Faegernisland (The Arrow That Missed)
 * Vinland (The Arrow That Missed)
 * Sibir (The Arrow That Missed)

22:53, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

Rhaegar never reigned. You're thinking of crazy king Aerys.

BTW, you missed a spot.

23:03, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

Nvm, you got it. Not sure why it's not redlinked...

23:04, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

Then the Golden Company invades.

Also, R+L != J, dammit. Edric Storm killed that theory off.

23:10, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

10,000 elite soldiers with the best training in the world vs 25,000 militia, most of whom are farmers who've had swords shoved it their hands.

Besides, I'm hoping to get Dorne on my side. Or the North.

23:25, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. After Robert's Rebellion, the GC invades, supporting it.

Or perhaps opposing it?

I guess we'll have to see.

23:28, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

We start upon the declaration of Robert's Rebellion...

23:45, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

Sign your posts!

xD  00:23, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

I chose not to- ironic, hmm?

00:23, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

Trade
Ok, so I've now got access to the Philidelphi Canal.

Want to do some trade with one of the richest powers on earth?



00:42, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

South Africa FTBW Flag
I like the second one you posted, so I think that is the one I will use. Thanks a lot of designing it Tbguy1992; Talk; Blog 21:04, April 30, 2014 (UTC)




 * Actually, another I have a couple things I would like to ask you about, flag wise. I recently made up a new thing for Quebec (I was getting tired of the Fleurdelisé being used all the time), so what do you think about this one?




 * And while I'm at it: a while ago I made a Palestine Flag as well, one where Jewish and Arab are in the same country (and mostly peaceful lol). What do you think about this one?


 * I still need to think about the Socialism thing as well, and the Australasia flag. Any ideas there beyond the stars? Tbguy1992; Talk; Blog 21:11, April 30, 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't have anything that can make and/or edit svg files, so I usually use .png. I've noticed a lot of files here got blurry: that was the reason I was replaced South Africa and Quebec. If you happen to have any other ideas for flags of any countries I have, please let me know.

Since the Canada flag as we know it OTL does not exist in FTBW, I'm kinda interested in it. But at the same time, because it looks like the OTL Canada flag, it seems almost like a ripoff, sorry to say. I wanted something really simple, almost a "seal on a bedsheet" thing that was thrown together in an emergency (say, a civil war? The Canadian Civil War? :P) and declared as a national flag. That was kind of what I was going for with the flag I created before to show you, but I was just wondering what you thought about it.

I might be tempted with the first flag, mostly because the second inverted colour flag just really look off to me. Tbguy1992; Talk; Blog 21:53, April 30, 2014 (UTC)


 * I like both of them, mostly because I was thinking about making a flag with three fleurs-de-lis, but couldn't get them lined up like I wanted to. Though, I think I will go with the second one, as any ties with the Confederate States (Louisiana was part of the CSA, and later the South Confederacy, in FTBW) would want to be avoided, so I think the second one would be best. I might make the flag I made a "temporary flag" during the Civil War and for a short time after, until the 1960s or so, with the one you made one they used after. I may have to make a "History of Flags" page soon lol. Tbguy1992; Talk; Blog 14:15, May 1, 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree, I like the first flag as well. Let's use it! Tbguy1992; Talk; Blog 20:14, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

New Zealand is already part of Australia in this TL, as, so there really isn't a need for an individual flag, unless it's a more "provincial" flag than a national one. I'll get back to you on that. Tbguy1992; Talk; Blog 18:57, May 2, 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh, I just realized that you have an individual flag for Australia and New Zealand... derp. Personally, I liked the first "Australia" flag you made to represent Australasia. Tbguy1992; Talk; Blog 18:59, May 2, 2014 (UTC)


 * I like the flag, but I prefer the brighter colors myself. Maybe in the near future, after I get some more stuff done, I will consider making provincial/state flags as well.


 * Also, going through the Flags of the United Kingdom page to find flags to use, I'm starting to realize how big of a mess the Disambiguation flag pages are. Would you have any opposition if I try to organize some of them, maybe into a ATL and a OTL section on the page with some explanation? I'm not totally sure how much I can do without stepping on too many toes (or if anyone is actually dealing with those pages) Tbguy1992; Talk; Blog 17:31, May 9, 2014 (UTC)

Kun&Venice
What happened? Why has Kun left? What did I miss?

22:51, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

The ICW doc? I'm there.

22:57, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, let's. Spring: The renewed offensive.

No, but seriously, Kun...

23:01, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations, you are now a Brass in the TSPTF. In addition to your previous abilities as a Lieutenant, you can now adjust user rankings along with other behind-the-scenes administrative duties.

You have been conferred the title "Diplomat of the Sêr Dwyreiniol," but feel free to change it as you desire.

Lordganon (talk) 00:54, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Portal page
After two years on this wiki, I finally organized and did a cleaning-up on the portal page for my Myomi Republic timeline. If I allowed to ask for your opinion, do you have any suggestions for me to make my portal page looking better so the readers can easily to point and to understand the contents of my timeline?

FirstStooge (talk) 16:33, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

I like it. Thank you very much, Imp. Oh, I almost forget, congratulations for being a Brass. :D

FirstStooge (talk) 17:05, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Maps
Thanks! I'm trying to get back into the flow of things, including posting the map on time. Mscoree (talk) 20:06, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Title
Ok, let's be honest, your title isn't great.

I've lined up a few suggestions. 23:25, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) Bane of Squirrevolution: It's a good one, but I feel it fits Feddy better. If we ever make him an alloy of tin and bronze.
 * 2) Grand Poobah of Temporal Treking: Trekkie xD
 * 3) "Two Pack": for the lulz.

Scratch that, I just translated "Sêr Dwyreiniol". Diplomat of the Eastern Stars, that IS a pretty good language.

23:27, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Chatter
Come to chat, nauw Sky Green 24 13:13, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

Lol, I don't edit that timeline anymore, but the flags are very nice. If you don't mind, I have a different idea for them.

21:10, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Flag Replacement
Forgive me but I'm not too sure what you are asking. If there is a vector file from Wikipedia, then it will eventually be removed. If they are user made than that's up to the user. -- 15:49, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

Can you hop on chat now please?
^ I am Kronos, King of the Titians 20:29, May 13, 2014 (UTC)

Map
I made a map of my story, from Midway through the war. See if you can guess what has occurred.

User:Local Mafia Boss/Fanon of Thrones

Brown-Stannis

Pink-Daenerys & the Dornish

Grey- Robb

Red- Lannisters and Tyrells

Crownlands- Golden Company

Green is Riverlands, and I wasn't sure what to do there... Local Mafia Boss (Talk) (Blog)

I would make an end-of-the-war map, but that is really dull. Only 2 colours... Local Mafia Boss (Talk) (Blog)

Green is Freys Local Mafia Boss (Talk) (Blog)

Halp needed
I need you  on the pm3 talk page, war has been declared to Marwar and Mughal Sky Green 24 15:25, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

Rajaputa Maharajya
Could I create a Rajput-clan(s) maharajya now that the union has lasted 20 years and could you tell me should I name it the Marwari Maharajya the Rajaputa Maharajya or the Suryavamsha Maharajya?

Sky Green 24 11:26, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

Things!
Very bad things!

I need you on chat to talk about the very bad things. CrimsonAssassin-See you, space cowboys 00:03, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

Speaking of which, Impo, where the hell have you been?

21:18, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

Hi. I am back after two years. Just wanna say what is up? RandomWriterGuy (talk) 04:57, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

Yah sorry I will not stay now on the wiki much. Sorry for getting ur hopes up back in April haha. You still overexpanding and being too pro-Indian? Or have things changed? I kidd, I kidd, but how its PM3? VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 20:06, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

The Return of DD
Welp, it's that time of year again. My conscience has decided that I must now finally make an effort again into DD. Let's get to work, Impo! I need your help in Angola. You're joint owner of three of those articles, after all, and the best DD writer still active (don't tell Feddy I said that).

At the time of DD, there were three competing military factions vying for control. The FNLA became the United Republic of the Kongo (URK), the MPLA became the People's Republic of Angola (PRA), and the UNITA became the RoA.

The URK has been expansionist in the past, we know that, but we need to get exactly what that means straightened out. I've included a basic outline of it on the Zaire page, which LG didn't take exception to, but I need your help writing the full article.

Meanwhile, I've split up the ICW into two separate wars- the Northern Congo Clusterf- ehh, Crisis, and the Southern one.

The NCC comes first, chronologically, it'll be the same ICW only restricted to Isiro, Uganda, Rwanda, Kivu, maybe Katanga, and maybe the CAR. I still need your input on that, but more importantly, I need your help on...

+

The SCC will start maybe 6 months later. The relations in the area are as follows: What I'm thinking is, the URK starts sabre-rattling with the RoA once more. Those two powers are roughly on scale. The RoA begins mobilization, but the PRA decide that this is a threat to them and a violation of the unwritten armistice between their two nations, and begin mobilization themselves, and call on their allies to help. The SKA agree, but Cabinda waits first to see how Zaire will react. Zambia and Botswana barely pay any attention here, as of yet.
 * Zaire has good relations with Cabinda, the RoA, and Zambia, while being neutral towards Botswana. They have actively bad relations with the PRA and somewhat frosty ones with the SKA, but the SKA are too far away and too minor for them to really give a sh!t. They most likely have the best single military in the region.
 * The PRA has good relations with the SKA, and Cabinda to a certain extent.
 * The PRA has expressly bad relations with Zaire, the URK, and the RoA.
 * Botswana wants to take over the SKA (that one, I leave entirely to you).
 * Zambia wants things to be quiet, and dislikes the SKA, but absolutely hates the idea of an expansionist Botswana on their borders.
 * The URK has bad relations with all of the above, to varying extents, except Zambia, who they like, and Botswana, who they are neutral about and who they will gladly side with if it benefits them. While they were once the biggest threat in the region, the others are now more willing to pick a fight with each other.

Zaire, noting that one of their main allies in the region is now just majorly outgunned, decide to step in to help them. Cabinda is now torn between their two greatest allies. On one hand, Zaire is much closer economically and much more popular- they have been aiding with infrastructure and economic problems over the past few years. On the other, the PRA have been, militarily, a good friend of Cabinda, and are also good Marxist-Leninists. The government remains paralyzed while protestors take to the streets on both sides.

The first military clashes take place now, between forces of the URK and the RoA, which are mostly indecisive. However, as PRA troops get involved too, the overstretched RoA forces begin to fall back. Zaire makes an official declaration of war, and starts to move in on the URK, but in a surprise move, a Cabindan army suddenly launches an attack into their territory, forcing them to pull back. The crisis there now develops into a full civil war, protestors demand democracy and Pro-Zaire and Pro-PRA troops start fighting across the nation, with the army split down the middle.

That's how far I've gotten. Comments, suggestions, ideas for what should come next?

17:49, September 3, 2014 (UTC)

Right. The Northern Congo is filled with a bunch of states that ought to be considered failed. The war up there is going to be sad, slow, and mostly filled with internal strife.

Not the South though! You and I are going to have sh*itloads of fun. The combined population of this region nudges 50 million, and all the states are armed and raring to go. There's no issues with heavy jungle, no issues with lack of military material, and no issues with popular feeling. It's a classic outburst of the communism vs imperialism conflict, and sh*t's gonna burn.

First things first, though- we need to update the nations of the region. We've got nothing so far.

I'll take the Kongo, Cabinda, and the PRA if you handle the RoA and the SKA (and Botswana, if that needs something).

Thoughts?

01:11, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

My Return
On hey. After a while, I never thought you respond to me. But I was wrong. Yeah.

Honestly, I feel way better disconnecting myself from the site as it allowed me to learn my mistakes a better way.

I don't have any regrets leaving the wiki though but I can always chat with you. --RandomWriterGuy (talk) 13:32, October 7, 2014 (UTC)