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1989 War 9
I found out that Elon musk was going to college in Kingston Ontiorio. Kingston survived the war so Elon probably survived. Onitrio unites with the eastern states to protect themselves from the Anglo hating QLF dominated People's Republic of Quebec. So Elon will be eastern citizen. Perpahs. Also can desgin a new flag for the eastern states. I want it look like the american flag only with the stripes replaced by a phionix. Do you think have a mushroom cloud is a nice touch. I feel it symbolizes rising from the ashes of the nuclear war

I fhished with the eccomny of the eastern states. I plan on  starting the history. Do you think i should do  a section on terriosom. Beside the kkk and donald tumps unamed group (i still need a name for them. Do you like firneds of the people of america or friends of america. I don't want to use friends of the american people because that was the name of ficnatila paloconsetive group in a book by philp k dick) the re will be several new age doomsday cult, self insterted raiders (most of them would died out by  2018 but a few remaind)and maybe even a communtist gorup

I’d think there would be quite a bit of terrorism. Friends of America sounds good as a name.

Can You think of an pontial details for the failed trump coup. Do you think president wilder  would been killed in the fialed coup or would he have surrivedGoldwind1 (talk) 17:06, November 25,  2018 (UTC)

I reckon he would of survived, as the coup was discovered before

I have fhished  the   terssoim section except for adressing the fate of donald trump after his failed coup. So he get life in preson, sent to an alsyum obe excuted for terreson or comit sucide  because he dosn't want to be excuted by the puppets of a black man.

I started the Hisotry  for the Eastern States. Don't you think atlanic states of america would be a better name. Also I belice you like my idea of the pacfic states merging with Oecnia. You neaver ascted on it so May I alter the page for   oceania. Do you think 2015 is a proper time for the meger or do you think it should happen ealier or later.

Ok, thanks fro your work. What makes you say about Oceania and Pacific America merging?

I suggested the Oceania  united states of the pafic  merge  in back  the 1989 war 8 section. I thought you said you liked the idea but maybe you were just talking about the My Idea of  Brazil turing into a dictorship that takes cues form  both 1984 and  Starship troops. My idea for Braliz has intusite surivlainece,  a caste systme, a thought police,a a programga delceign brazil as a limited democarcy only alowing  people who serived the  milary or done some other great civic good good vote and onlys also miltary officers to run

Goldwind1 (talk) 18:37, December 11, 2018 (UTC)

Oh I see. Sorry about the confusion. Are you saying you like the Pacific states Oceania merger and that I can update the oceani. If so when did the oceinia pacfic states meger  happen. Have you check the eastern states page lately, i updated it a few days ago. I hope you like the idea about Al gore holding a nationl anthem contest and the winning song We built this naiton was inornic sung to the tune of an 1980's protest song by  Starship We built this City. I have written lyrics to We built thist naiton. Do you think it would be safe to post them on eastern states article or do think I could sued if i did that. .Also I am thniking of upading the nuclear target list so that San Degio got destoyed instead of Las Angles.
 * About Brazil: These governments can last for a time, but eventually fall. Maybe if it still exists, it will be fragile

I just upload the lyrics for We bulit this naiton to the eastern states aritcle. I hope you like them
 * Oceania:I’m not really sure.
 * Eastern States: Yeah, it is a good reference. Post the lyrics, it won’t break copyright.

You have that the netherland  surived the war. If bombs went out there would destory  the dikes and cause the neatherlands to flood. I guess the netherland s could hae been a minor target of the soviet. The netherlands could surrive if the soviet only targested amerstdam and the bomb turned out to be a dub.Goldwind1 (talk) 13:52, December 15, 2018 (UTC)

Proper job. The same could probbly also be said about belguain flanders. I think the only targets in belguim for the soviets would be the port at antrewp and burssules. The soviet bombs both turn out to be  dub then i think belguim could  surive. It would probbly suffer flooding do to the damge of the duth dikes but  I think the belguim would be  able to evuetnly think that probbalb. The Belguina may lauch a dike repair slash land relcamiton in the netherlands essplay with bomb targgeritng rotterdam or the hauge was a dub
 * Netherlands:I actually didn’t think about that, i suppose Netherlands would be underwater.

I forgot  Althist writer if you like my idea of the soviet republic collsaping in 2013. The soviet republic rump states would  either be democartic states allied with siberia, poland baltic commonwelath or the various democartic states of europe or they would be dictorships under the thumb of centeral asia.ost soviet republic central asian puppets include Kalmykia, Tsakhvoa i beshatu (Stavropol Kria [1] ) dagenstan, chechnya,kabardino-Balkaria ingushetia, ossetia, the volga republic and the ural republicthe Soviet Republic rump states in the orbit of poland balitic and  siberia are kara (captial is in khatay maskyt) Barents (captial is in Syktyvkar ) Pomorye (arkhagelsk and vologda oblasts) karlia ,onega and  chernozemye

Do you like the idea of the north chinaness regime falling and thier land being taken over by south china. If so I think we need a new article called the united republic of china

I have got all the eastern states article done except for the international relations and History sections. I feel that Dan Quayle would advocate Christianity and translated convertive values but he would  not approve of  religious cults and right wing militias violent harasng left  wingers. Got any other idea for what to the quatle administration history section. I would also apeericate so ideas for the gore, willder and kasich adminsation sections

Please respond to my back log

Ooops, didn’t see your messages, crud. Why not have north chinaness dictorship fall to pro taiwna rebels in decmber 2018 or mid 2019. I feel that  north china fall Their ally the soviet republic would fall in a few year. I feel that centeral asia would be the remingd power full dictor ship in euriaisa. unlike north china we unties with the south with the exception of ughrustan and tibet, the soviet repbublic  breaks into men states. Severlal of the soivet rump states are pro wester and siberia democmrary. The rest are dictorships under the thumb of centeral asias
 * China:In the resulting chaos of WW3, I feel like China would become even more dictator-like. Maybe the collapse would eventually come 8n the future, perhaps in the 2020s.
 * ESA: Good job, I’m not really that well accustomed to 1980s-1990s American history, so I can’t really help much.

You have  great britan more devided then america. I find that unlikely since braitn is smaller and the house of windsor  role as the enbomdment of british culture would serve as unitng feture espally since king charles is supproter of reunifaction. I feel that that least the the republic of centeral counties  and the southwest repbulci would have joined east england by  now and may be even northubria and  yorkshire. I agree that the cornish scotish and wlesh would probbly not what to reuntied with east england

Can you help me update the lst of city destoyed during ww


 * Yes, I can see where you’re coming from, but it’s more like its divided out of necessity. I was also thinking of adding an ASB tag to the timeline, what do you think?
 * What do you need?

I still think that the southwest republic and the centeral counties would have able to reunite with east england by  2015 at the earistle.

You’re probably right in that case

SO will you have the southwest republic and centeral countrename and rename east england kingdom of egland

Yep

I won't put obleset labels next to the centeral conuties and southwest republic. I would just alter them to say that they are former states. Do you think the would have rejoinded england in 2009 or later or ealrier. egnald  infrobox needs updaign. . I belive Oxford is the larger then cambridge. In 1983 doomsday Winsdosr bekshire (Home of Widnosr castle ) surrioved (Despited beign clsoed to lodon) and became a city state called new london. I think tha once east eengland unites with the soouth west repupic and centeral counties, i feel that king charles would want to move the captial. .  Prince charles is known to fond of artiture and urban planing (He help design ponbury dorest) so he may want to build his onw city. Do you like the idea of windsor  sufifng mild  damge in ww3 but  much in the way of raditon. If so my maybe charles should build him his new cpaital  over the runis of windsor  I plan on updating the list of nuclear targets in the uk

Oh, I’ll remove them. Maybe after the reunification, New London would begin to be built, but the capital nt Moved there

So do you like my idea of new london being built aorund windsor castel. George Percy dons't have any childern but as king of northaira he would probbly try to produce an heir. Do you like the idea of George having a daughter and goerge and windors arange a marrige of thier childern when they come of age into order to unite northubira  anengland. Got any idea for the doug wilder amdinstion of the eastern. Also how the jhon kashic admisnton

I like the idea of a New London, but not based around Windsor castle, as London was one of the worst-hit cities and as such is still radiated. (I included it on the page) He does have children

Again, sorry no (Wilder and Kashic admin)

Do you like the idea of king charles delarcing god save the king/queen to be the anethma of a united great britin and delcaing that england need a new anthman. Perhaps he would chose land of hope and golory. Got any other ideas for the english anthema

Ehh, Land of Glory would be good

Do you like the idea of a soviet bomb or  ment for either itlay farnce or germany acidently falling in switer I feel that  social democratic party of switerland would resone to that by sayting that dispitue saying  we still got hitt by  a  few stray bomb but a still lucky to have gotten off littley. They shoudl also say that switerland should not resond to by further drawing away form the world and jeosuly hordign the treasures they have left, that switter should reach out a hand to it's neighbors and work with theam to rebuild the eruope. if a bomb exoples in switerland i think it should explode in zurich. That would the largest stronghold of the issolanist antinalt semirasict swiss people party (they become the bigst party in zurich in 1991). I am afraid that that the swiss peopel  is not handicap  swissterland expansion would be of the opersisive imperilist vairty and not  multicurlist coppetive, let rebuild europe toghtor

I kinda feel like that’s a bit ASB

I am afaird that  by 1989 that Christoph Blocher  would have gained power over the zurich. I that if  switerland remianed unsathed and if the other naitons of europe were nuke they bolcher would start precher that the swiss were god chosen people and that it there destainy conquer the rements of europeIf not that he would preach  isolaiton and that switterland shouldn't help rebuild europe. My bomb falling in zurich was just a suggesiton for how to prevnet switterland form takign a ture for naitonalist and  eurospetic

I just mean that the chance that so many nukes miss their targets is reasonably unlikely considering how advanced the tech is

I had a poltical sciense teacher who an expert on terroism and said that  the russain targeting systme were terriable. Other people say that the russian weren't   but, I repsepct the oppion of my former profeosor. That is why my list of targets has so many russain nuke  miss or fail to explodel. We really don't know how good the  russain nuclear aresneal really because it was only used in contorled test. Russain facotyr were fammous for poor workmanship due to having no insentie. Those a lot of russain bombs may be duds.

I see. In that case, it may have been possible..

So should we have a bomb or two acidntly fall in switterland. If we go with one bomb it should land in zurich. Destorying zurich would prevent the nationalist swiss people party form tackign power like they did otl. IF they take power affter a nuclear war they would make switteland issolat and turn back all reguees at gun point or they declare the swiss the choice people and form an burtal imperila state. If we decide to go with two bombs i have it explode in the midel of no where like the southe part of the UR canton. Having a one go of in the middle of nowhere will take thunder away form the crazzy consipary who said that netulaty didn procet switerland form bieng delbiertly nuked by the russains.

I have fhished the eastern states with the exception of the section on intenratial relaitons and possalbe section on retail and restruants. I may aloso make some changes to the elcetionics section. My ideas of the internaitonal realtions section are they are decent terms  with  Texas and the Heartland states despite they refuse to reunite. There is no formal allaince there is a movement to fomr one. Other Pontial meambers of the allince are the pacigc state the rocky moutain states and parts of former mexico. Realtions with canda (I may have it change it name becausse it based in the plain states and the old hearland)are coridal but mildy stariend do to ontioa  and the maritnes joining the eastern states for proction from miltant commuinst qubec. Realtions with  Qubec have improved since the Qubec People ( the QLF replacced the word libeiton in their name after they conqured Qubect) Front  goverment  fell in 2013

My damn notification didn’t work, ooof.

I don't want the SPP in power because I am afaird that they would either turn switter intto a ilsoatied fortress repallign any forngier or turn it a siss superimst  imperlilsit nation. You  had switterland   aborbe art of fance and italy. That makes  seam like switerland didn't go  isoanlsit. So that means The SPP took power and created a swiss veirosn of the thrid reich or  thery neaver came to power.
 * Switzerland: You’ve got to think tho, are we just doing that so that the SPP doesn’t get into power? And if so, is that just because we don’t want them to?
 * USA:Good job mate.

I have fhiseh the infomaiton on the east state relaitosn with the rest of north america. Should i add some infomaiton about there relaitons with the rest. If so should i act as if the soviet republic cossple a few  years ago and that the comminst in north china were over thrown and the new goverment united with south china to form the untied republic of china. Also do think Hugo chavez would still become preisent of venuzula. IF so i think he would be hositle to the eastern states. Also should i make a section  retail and  reasturnats. What should I do next. My ideas ar Argentia, a page for famous ,  Burma, sengal, an indian brakawy sate, funtech , a hungary or korea

I see,

Good job,


 * Relations:Yeah that’d be good.
 * Up to you

So are you saying want me  add relations with non north american nations. If you don't like ideas I am willing to change them

No, they’re fine, as I say, feel free to add ideas with going through me, if it makes it quicker.

I have started a page on burma. it is basily just heading a mention that an oceian led colation invaded in 2001 to dismatle the illegal burmse junat nuclear program. I went with an oceain coaliton because i feel that the 1991 is too ealier. I think the internaitla leag of states would form no eraleir then 2009 and that lowbalwing. the seocnd of naitons in 1983 doomsday form  24 years after doomsday

I read that myamar has no nuclear power plants. Perhaps i should change the part about the myamr nuclear porgram trigger the invsion by ocenia and sout chian by the invision be triggered by the use of chemical weapson in bangledest by the mygmar junta. Mymar is rumored to have cheimcal wepaosn

Sandbox
Hi Althistwriter, I happened to stumble across your sandbox page, and I noticed that you were coming up with ideas for a republican Australia! As an Australian myself, I thought I may try to give you some pointers on your current ideas. I hope this helps! —  THE TIM TAM  IS MY   SPIRIT ANIMAL  (TSW • AH • MGW • Contribs ) 10:20, February 19, 2019 (UTC)
 * It is very unlikely that an Australian republic formed in the 21st century would be a presidential one (i.e. the president holds full executive power). For 150 years prior, the Commonwealth of Australia and the colonies that preceded it functioned as parliamentary democracies. Instead, a parliamentary republic would be far more plausible. This would be where the president holds symbolic power as the head of state, but where actual executive power is held by the prime minister and the government they lead.
 * Hieu Van Le probably would not be exempt from the line (I presume by that you mean a presidential line of succession, which I would argue is unnecessary in the Australian parliamentary republican context) since the Australian Constitution only specifies that one cannot be a dual citizen (i.e. one can only be a citizen of Australia) to hold political office..
 * The state of Western Australia is not known as Westralia. Westralia was a name proposed in the 1930s as the name of a new western Dominion after Western Australians to secede from the Commonwealth in 1933. This result was never acted upon, however, as when a WA delegation was sent to London to request secession, the UK Parliament ruled it invalid.

Cheers for the information + constructive criticism, it’s good to have it from a native Australian! (Sorry you had to look at my messed-up sandbox page 😬) Do you reckon I could get your opinion on a few more things? In the timeline, Australia had a republic vote (similar to 1999) and then a referendum on the type of republic that Australia should be (and how the president should be decided) Do you think the:
 * The President, like you said, holds ceremonial power, and is elected by popular vote.
 * would have won?
 * ..Or where the president is directly appointed by a popular vote, in the ?

Wouldn’t a ‘line of succession’ have to be in place in the event of the president being killed?

Many thanks, AlthistWriter (talk) 15:25, February 19, 2019 (UTC)

1989 War 10
Do you think Rajiv  Ghandia i usding ww3 to delcare a  state of  emerngry and put the ecletion of 1989. By 1991 or 1992  Public disent causes  Rajiv ghadi to hold elcetions   Janta dal won the elcetion of 91 or. They stayed in power untill 2003 or 2004. After the janta dal period the congress party came back into for 2 years. these years wher marked by scandle and the congress party. The otl minor lok satta park because a major force atl.It stay  untill 2018 when a new center left party called the  people leauge.

Really depends on whether India and Pakistan destroy each other in WW3. Given their mutual dislike of each other.

I thought you want india in one peice. You have them as a permate meaber of the internal league of  security couincal. I don't  pakistan would try a full fleged war with  india. I like the idea of pakistna falling in cival war and  eveutnly a junat achives vicotyr and allies with centeral asia

Well it can always change

India broke apart in 1989 doomsday. I pehar the idea of indai being somewhat unstable in the 90's and early 2000's but they still stay united. and things started improving in the mid  2000's

Got any ideas for burma. Do you think there be factions in  new buram that adovate  joing either south china india or indochian

I’m not really experienced in Burmese politics, what do you think?

I think that  after Ocenia South china, malysia Indo china and maybe india indonesia korea, thialand   and  the pacfic states invade in  2001, they will in stall  Aun San Su ki as President. B. Her reign  will for the  most part be a time ofr peace hamrony and devoment but with some cropurtion human right vilotions but no wear near as bad as the junta. Things get more un stable  after she leave offine  in 2011 ( elceitons  were held in 2002 and  was worien in 2003) but are. still not in bad shape. the rhaogiaha genocide happens in 2015 but it stops do  heavy pressure  by ocenaia and south china. Do forgin pressure the roghaigh are officaly granted citizenship

Yeah sounds good

I Hope you returne to 1989 war some day

Once again I am going sugest that north china cossaple and the major join south china to form   the untied repulic of china. I would have he dali lama regain rule over tibet and ughur stand end a puppet. of centeralize   Perhaps   if you arn't read for the commuisnt party to hold on to the provines of Gansu and Qinghia withe help for centeral Asia. The chiness commisnt rump state with need a name. How about Zhongguo, Huaxia or jinshang. There also aleternate names used for china. The could also calle the coltive name for thier reming terrotiy  after chairman mao. My favoire name for the  comminst rump state would be Neidi (Inner land). Neidi is coomly used to  refer to the intero parts of china


 * Ok. Actually sounds good. I like the idea of a Tibet and Uighur State.

Also i think Centeral Asia needs  upadting. I feel the poulation is two high. I feel know more then 45 million and that is a streach. Also you had al five otl capitlas of the centeal asin soviet breakaway states as surrivoirng. I feel the american would have destoyed at least thre of  capitla.

Alright.

Astant was not the captial of the kazch solicisgt soviet republic. It was not the capital of kazchastan untill 1997.. In  1989 astan was a small  lesser inudstl center of about 290,000 people. It could easily been deemed not worth nuking by the american. In 1989 the capital kach captial was in almaty. Do you want one almaty to be one of the two cpaitl of centeral asia that are spared.

Tashkent  is much bigger then Astans and almaty. It would probbly be a good idea to have it nuked because if i surrived  centeral asia would probbly be dominated by uzbecks and not by kazchs

I update the the targe list ot include some cities in centeral asia

Ok

Do you think the new soviet perimer would have exited afghanstan in 1989 like goboergov did. If not do you think the  american would try nuking the kabul. Also do the soviet troops did leave  they would try to run things themself be for joining centeral asia

Soviet troops left in Feb 1989, before the POD of November 1989.

They did otl under goboerobve but  didn't govoevoc get overthrown before november 1989

The pod is that Gorbachev changes his tune, about the Berlin Wall, not overthrown.

In the past you told me that gorbachev was overthrown. On the1989  WW3 page you have the russian Leader listed as Nicholas Triovs  There is no Nicholas Triovs  page on  wikiepedia so i assumed that he was ficinatal and that his birth was the pod. I also though you agreded to my idea that back in Nicholas Triovs  polburo days he got the soviet goverement to send funds to th e QLF. This result in the QLF not cossapling in the 80's and starting a commuisnt goverment after the war. Also Nicholas Triovs  undo most of Gobehrov refroms and result in an arme up rising in the baltics a few days before WW3. That is why  the american barly nuked the baltic states

Oh I see, sorry. In that case maybe the USSR would invade

I would  say that Nicholas Triovs over threw Gobachev in late 19888. I see him a soviet hardliner and russain nationlist who reversed most of goarbov reforms. I feel that he he refue to  pull out of afganstan. The soviet  would delcare rule of afgahstan but would trouble challageing the rebelis utill they  got help form centeral asia in exchange  joining. Do you think cenreral aisa would have a promble  with drug lords or do you think that with out interanltil comdemation of drugs cenrtal aisa would embracing  using dtugs as a way of controlling people. Do you think tha once I done with my burma page I will do a page on Nicholas Triovs

I’d imagine people would need drugs un the post-war world.

Do you think american would nuke afgasthan or would they be two worried about harmign there allied rebels. IF kabul surrives the war it would be centeral assia largest city. Since  Centeral asia use drugs on thier poeple do you think they would be involed in black marekt opuim trade.

No, I reckon they wouldn’t nuke it.

So that means  Kabul will be the largest city of the Centeral Asian Republic. That means the infor box needs updating. Last time i tried updating the centerla infobox i accidnelty turned the infobox into a banner. Do you know how to reformat it. Centeral aisa  needs a n eccomny section which shoould probbly include a subsection on drugs.

1989 war 11
Now that Afganstan is part of Centeral the page should be updated to say that Centeral  Asia. is made up of 6 state instead of 5