Talk:Battle for Earth Reloaded (Map Game)

Can I play?, the game is still going?, Bauglir Zero 01:35, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

We didn't start yet, so yes. Best if you read this and this first. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:41, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I'll Bauglir Zero 01:45, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

I have a problem, my hypotetic alien nation is a racial confederacy, six races in total, and each one has its own weakness and strengths. For example the T**** are a low gravity species, but reproduct like rabbits. The K**** are an high gravity species and have "weak genetic diversity". Can I do that?, or better just play as a single-race alien nation? Bauglir Zero 23:52, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

You can do that, but you have to balance it out. I wouls say that you should choose the best unique ability of your main race, and then the rest can be "extras" of sorts. Monster Pumpkin 00:07, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Oh :D, ok then its easier, thank you Bauglir Zero 00:17, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Resurection
I feel like I keep bringing my race (the Caborr) back to life to like just to be killed again. Anyone else? I've also played as France for all three games. CourageousLife 21:54, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

Regenetech for the win all the way. Currently I feel sad for not taking my historic Canada again, but I have taken the nation that I wanted that last two games. AMERIKKKA! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:27, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Umm, racist much? Ameri - KKK- a? Lol I hope that was an accident :D CourageousLife 22:49, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Lol, yeah, it was an accident. Read: Hitler's pronunciation of America. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:29, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Ahh, okay! Funny coincidence... CourageousLife 23:37, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Let's see...

Hitler = Racist = KKK = Most white Americans = not Scrawland - not = Scrawland = colored.

Keyword: MINUS  not 

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:41, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

So what are you trying to say? You're colored (I have no problem at all just trying to confirm)? Am I following your logic correctly? CourageousLife 23:57, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you follow me right. Albeit, I am white in skin color yet of Asian descent. AMERICKA! (Does that sound better than AMERIKKKA?) Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:07, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

Lol sorry if im being picky! Don't wanna get personal or invade anybody's privacy! CourageousLife 01:12, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

The German spelling was Amerika, so some hippie groups used that spelling in attempt to make America seem fascist. Amerikkka is used by the black nationalists in their crazed ramblings. LurkerLordB (Talk) 02:11, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Wow. Thanks for the info. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:36, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Mod Rules
Looking at your rules for who becomes mod, that kinda narrows it down to 6-7 people, because only 12 people have ever made 3000 edits, and some of those- like say LG, who has the most edits on this wiki- don't play map games!Vir prudens non contraventum mingit 17:48, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

even I only have about 2650 edits.-Lx (leave me a message) 16:48, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

That is why we have the "exceptions" part. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:36, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

I have I think 5200 edits :) PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 13:15, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Sooooo............
so......when does this thing start?Wegscuba 03:23, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, when? Vir prudens non contraventum mingit 18:51, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

When everything is settled and all right. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:36, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Realism of the Aliens
How realistic do the aliens need to be? I know they can have telekinesis, so they obviously don't need to be super realistic, but are their limits (any unrealism I would do would be serious, not some stupid joke like Taco Gazelles). LurkerLordB (Talk) 02:20, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Well, they obviously cannot be all powerful. Generally, I would say use checks and balances, if they have a good ability, give them a good weakness. Then it should be fine. Monster Pumpkin 02:32, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not thinking power, I'm thinking biology. For example, would a species that is incorporeal (like a ghost) be allowed? (this isn't what I am planning) LurkerLordB (Talk) 02:44, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Probably not. Monster Pumpkin 03:08, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

No, that would not be allowed. This is specifically mostly a sci-fi thing, not a fantasy world. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:36, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Brazil
Hey, look there are two "Braziles", Bauglir Zero 19:31, June 23, 2012 (UTC).

Not anymore. I am now the sole owner of all of Brazil. And the central galaxy, etc, etc.

And who might you be? The Central Galaxy? That is the outlawed zone. No one in the center because nothing can live there. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:36, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

My bad, it was Guns, and i meant the area around that. Not the actual center. the area around it.

Of course, now looking at the map I see there isn't any of that.... so I'll change it to the edges, I suppose. Vir prudens non contraventum mingit 20:31, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Nukes
Ive been thinking, most of the good map games invole less advanced technology, where people do not have the ability to kill each other from across the planet with the press of a button. So, here's what I propose - at the start of the game, one of the Mod-Controlled species detonates a device in the atmosphere that renders all nukes and long-range missiles. This way, the humans cannot threaten each other with nukes and will (possibly) open the door to WW3 on earth without total destruction of the planet. I also propose that no alien nations have the power to destroy a planet. Thoughts? CourageousLife 18:04, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I'm just saying, thats a little odd. Today humans could probably do it- if they had a few hundred trillion dollars and wanted to. We have the tech... how about something like, the object on Mars extended a massive EMP charge which prevents any of the Inner solar system and the sun from being destroyed, as well as limiting nukes? Vir prudens non contraventum mingit 18:45, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Well, most of us do have the power to destroy planets, and mod races stars, but that is against the rules. It says not to blow things up but to threaten to do that. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:36, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Wait if most factions have WMDs but they cant use them,cant these species simply just use their WMDs to wipe out cities or regions and human WMDs on alien craft and the same thing as the aliens with WMDs.Capt.stark1972 (talk) 23:00, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Are We Starting?
We should get this thing on the road. CrimsonAssassin 19:13, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

We can't start until the galaxy map is complete... which could take some time...Kronicsunflower 16:08, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Whose turn is it? The mechs suddenly turned up in 2nd after ahlose was done soo... Vir prudens non contraventum mingit 19:00, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

People, please be faster with the galactic map. I'm impatient, sorry Bauglir Zero 03:06, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

I think its because no one knows whose turn it is to do the map... because someone put the mechs in front of something already done so bob doesn't know if he should go, and neither does the mechs guy... course thts solved now =D Vir prudens non contraventum mingit 21:00, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah. Next person please! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:03, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Yes. And in regards to the map, the Polarans claim no worlds. Is it possible for me to add the location of their worldships and their trajectories instead? --"Truth fears no questions..." 21:12, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

No. If they "claim no worlds," then where the heck did they come from? A black hole? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:16, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

You can't come from a star. >.> Do you know anything about science or history, honestly? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:20, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Scrawland read this about the Polarans, the Polarans consumed they homeworld, now they are nomadic people, its simple. Bauglir Zero 21:32, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

I just read the Pradedonii are nomadic (pirates in fact). Bauglir Zero 21:55, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

By the rate we're going, this map will be done in 5 months :( Sasafred12 22:08, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but he claims that the homeworld is Polaris, the North Star.

Also, if they are nomadic pirates, they don't need to be on the map, since they wouldn't have a nation to come from or anything. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:12, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe a planet orbiting Polaris?, I guess they could be in the map with the actual position of their ships. Do we really need to wait for this map?. Can't the mods do it? please?, it would be easier and faster.Bauglir Zero 22:28, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

No. People decide where their own nations are. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:31, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Since when did I say the Polarans were pirates or that they came from a black hole or star? Scrawland, are you reading the articles, or justing looking for reasons to insult me? --"Truth fears no questions..." 23:19, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

What on earth are you talking about? Where are you getting this? We're talking about PRAEDONII. THey're pirates. Also, on the page, it says that they come from the "northern star of Polaris." That's a star. It is you who has insulted me by putting words in my mouth. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:23, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

"No. If they "claim no worlds," then where the heck did they come from? A black hole?" and "You can't come from a star. >.> Do you know anything about science or history, honestly?". Hence, my belief you were speaking of me and the pirates. I wasn't trying to insult you, just trying to understand why your going on asking if I know anything of science without even reading the Polarans' article first. You insulted me by questioning my intelligence. --"Truth fears no questions..." 23:31, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Those two quotes were about you, yes. And I have read the article. It makes mention of the homeworld. The least you could do is say that it went around Polaris. Either way, you are aware that Polaris is  not  in the Milky Way Galaxy, right? That is why I questioned your knowledge. Also, if they mine worlds that are already owned, war would happen, and any of our races would blow up all your ships with the snap of a finger. You might want to rethink your whole story. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:46, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

I like them the way they are. I'll continue work on the Polarans, and give you some idea of the size and power of their ships. Hopefully that will explain why they've survived the last 200,000 years of space-faring. --"Truth fears no questions..." 23:57, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't matter. Nineteen races and nations have the power to blow up whole stars. If you think a ship the size of any world can resist that, good luck. I've seen that picture, and it's nothing compared to the superweapons that exist. Look at the old pages of the Regenetech, Dravimos, and Terran Empires, and see this as well. No amount of your ships' size and power can escape us. Especially since you're not a mod. Also, if you don't have the hyperdrive, you can't go beyond a star system. Just cause you like it doesn't mean anything. If it doesn't fit with existing canon, it will rendered null and void and obsolete. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:08, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, well not unless I'm friends with the other nations and not yourself. Plus, whether I like them or not means nothing. I like them as I've made them. Why are you so arrogant? It sounds more like your bragging now. --"Truth fears no questions..." 00:13, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Look, the mods nations are allied. Regenetech+Dravimos+Azaranian+Ahlose+Mechs (sort of). The Terrans don't count because he's not playing this game. No one else has this power. Besides, only one of these nations is controlled by me. The others are Monster Pumpkin, LxCaucassus, CourageousLife, and CrimsonAssassin. You can't undo a 75 million year old alliance. There's no enemies of us who could potentially cause any damage to us. You're calling me arrogant? I'm telling the truth. It's blunt and straight forward. If "Truth asks no questions" you shouldn't question the truth. I'm telling you now, before anything happens in the game: You are at the risk of being attacked by powerful nations due to your habit of mining planets that are owned. Simply put, if any of us had any control at all over time before this game, your nations would have been attacked. I'm being perfectly honest to you--any attack towards you would only result in your defeat. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:42, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Allow me to return to the original topic: Please correct that your people come from Polaris, because that is out of the galaxy. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:45, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

I'll correct the issue. And I'll be sure to avoid attacking your worlds. Additionally, I was unaware of the alliances as I didn't know that all of the mods had race pages, only a few. And I ask but a simple question. If a worldship can be destroyed by a star-destroying weapon, then so can a planet. If a planet can be destroyed by that weapon, then it must get to that planet to destroy it, in which a fleet must be deployed to stop it. If a worldship and its accompanying aramada cannot stop it, then the fleet can't. This means mod empires are thus invinsible, and wars against them are thus one-sided. I'm could be wrong, but I thought it was an interesting cycle thing to bring up. --"Truth fears no questions..." 00:52, July 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * And I only added the quote as I thought it sounded rather nice. It has no bearing on my personal ideals. --"Truth fears no questions..." 00:54, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and Polaris is in the galaxy, as it is 434 lightyears from Earth. --"Truth fears no questions..." 00:57, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Oh right, I forget this many a times. Long explanation which you can only understand by watching me life story. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:07, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Well you've proved me wrong. I'm sorry. --"Truth fears no questions..." 01:09, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Right then. Sorry for all the trouble, and add your worldships when it's your turn. Use dots. Make sure they're not the same color as anything on the map already. Also, be sure they're not in anyone's territory. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:11, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yes sir. --"Truth fears no questions..." 01:13, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Guys, I'm just saying... it doesn't seem fair that the 5 most powerful nations are all allied. I think that counts as ganging up on the non mods. Maybe there should be 2 factions, like Regentech and Azaranizn vs Dravimos, Mech, and Ahlose.Vir prudens non contraventum mingit 00:44, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

Getting things moving
At the rate we are going, two problems are emerging.

First off, we're not going to be done editing the map until december if this goes on. I propose- of course I'm not a mod, it is not up to me- that we leave a message on the talk page of the next person after each turn. Then wait two days if they haven't done it leave another message and wait 5 days then put their name at the bottom of the list. When we come to them next, we give them 3 days (having left another message) and then remove them from the list or place something the size of the Soram empire on there randomly.

Which brings me to the second problem, that due to the VAST amount of space the Azaranian and Regentech empires have, by the time the last player puts his country on the map, we're not going to be able to see it. 5 people are done and it is already starting to get cramped. I propose, again, that we slightly- SLIGHTLY- downsize both empires a tiny, tiny bit.

By the way, we should really have the large and small magellanic clouds on here. And this is SO not a map of the milky way, because the milky way is a barred spiral, not a free spiral.

Vir prudens non contraventum mingit (talk) 07:57, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

I'va lef messages to two or three people reminding them its their turn, and 2'. Its necessary to make "space" to the new nations, even when 2 or 3 are nomadic. Bauglir Zero (talk) 14:10, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

Why is there a section that says forbidden on the main page?Guns (talk) 10:28, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

HEY! PEOPLE! This thing is going dead before it has even started, and this seems pretty interesting, so can we move with the map?Guns (talk) 11:06, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

still waiting for bob, also if the praedoni are nomadic how do they have territory on the map? Axyljohnson

Draw dots that show where the worldships or whatever are. Use a new color and make sure they aren't in any one else's territory. Guns (talk) 13:19, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

At the rate things are going, there won't be any space left for the ships. Kronicsunflower (talk) 20:01, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Resign
I am resigning, anyone can take control of the Skaven now, I'm done. Bobalugee1940 (talk) 20:18, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Death
This is dead right? Guns (talk) 07:06, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

NO! We can still rescue this.. maybe. The main problem at the moment is finishing the map. Now the mods have taken control of the whole map thing but they don't seem to have finished it. All they need to do is finish the map and then we can start, surely? Kronicsunflower (talk) 16:50, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

The mods have forgotten. This game... iss over. Time for BFE R&R

The Royal Guns (talk) 06:12, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

forget that,lol! Whoo! Look out Earth! The Royal Guns (talk) 11:04, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Global Elite Force
Ok just to be clear aside from a couple of human countries,this game should have an elite force to battle aliens trying to destroy mankind and well conquer earth.Its sort of like an organization similar to X-COM when each month it gains funding from the nations of the world and it increases or decreases depending on performance and well I was just thinking we need to agree wether we should include that elite force,should earth's conventional forces fail to stall the invasion from either alien faction.Example:If the Terrans attempt to exterminate mankind and everyone else is busy elsewhere and earth's conventional military fails to stop them then the leaders of the world form that exact organization.Plus we also need a cool name to this organization.Sooo does anyone agree to make this elite force and any suggestion for a cool name for that exact 

&nbsp Te organization?Capt.stark1972 (talk) 23:02, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

How will it work if my species is nomadic? I don't have any territory so should I just say where my fleet is or add territory in or what?Kronicsunflower (talk) 19:36, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

@Capt: No. A definitive no. Because there are aliens defending Earth and those attacking it.

@Kronic: You're the blue dots scattered on the map.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum.

We need more people. The Royal Guns (talk) 08:45, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Warpgates and Mining from the sun . ..
If you look at the Terran Empire page, I have noted that the Terran Empire builds their vessels by warping in different parts from thousands of Forge Worlds, where they are put together. I have also said that the Terrans literally mine the sun, the high-energy particles that make solar flares. Is that all right? [EDIT] I got the warp gate idea from the Protoss in StarCraft and the mining the sun from Spin by Robert Charles Wilson- the Hypotheticals. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 14:00, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

I don't really think you mine a star. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:12, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not quite "mining" a star, but more collecting the high energy particles that make a solar flare and such. . . PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:27, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, that stuff is just electrified gas, not really much particles...

Much smarter idea is to do what we Centrians do: Mine the Gas giants. They're found on pretty much every system, are rich in hydrogen, and the pressure is so high you can actually get a floating city. So, abundance, fuel, population, all taken care of.

The Royal Guns (talk) 11:03, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

And yet, even if a small amount was particles, imagine the huge energy output! A big enough solar flare can cause blackouts in a place 93 million miles away. And think of how many solar flares there are. . . and even if there aren't solar flares, there's still a lot of high energy particles on the other places on the sun. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 13:43, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Well, apart from heat and magnetism...

You have to get REALLY close to get any real amounts of energy. And it doesn't matterhow thick those SS walls are... We're talking hundreds of billions of tons of plasma.

The Royal Guns (talk) 13:50, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Harry Potter
Also, on a totally unrelated note, who do you think would win in a Muggle/Muggleborn vs Pureblood/Voldy and Co./MoM War? Thanks :) PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 14:04, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

??? MoM? (Forgive my ignorance) The Royal Guns (talk) 13:51, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Ministry of Magic. :) PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 13:51, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

OHH ok.

Kinda obvious... Voldy kills lots of humans. Humans are forced to nuke London. Voldy turns it around and hits NY. Just as all seems the worst, Ghost from MW2 jumps out of the game and kicks Voldy up the...

The Royal Guns (talk) 13:59, August 11, 2012 (UTC) I really think th

New Turn
Shouldn't we start the next year now?Kronicsunflower (talk) 13:34, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

I thinkest so. Also, I really think that the Mechs should be on the Soram/Hanzen/Terran side, since we don't have democrists....

The Royal Guns (talk) 13:46, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

So... can we start?

The Royal Guns (talk) 14:00, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Map editing
Are we allowed to edit the map ourselves, or do we leave it for the mods? Kronicsunflower (talk) 19:28, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

Mods. Where do you want your ships?

@Guns and Kron: The Mech are neutral, and we have Democrists, they're just not on the map.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:41, August 13, 2012 (UTC)