User talk:Vladivostok



Naming Coventions
Hey Vlad, just FYI when creating article that are a part of an alternate history you have to put the name of the AH in paratheses in the title. For example: Uyghur Soviet Socialist Republic should have been called Uyghur Soviet Socialist Republic (1983: Doomsday). I have renamed the articles for you. Mitro 21:50, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks,appreciate it,I'm just getting the hang of things,I'm making some rookie mistakes =). Oh yeah,could you please explain how to make links here. I was trying for ever to do that yesterday and I just didn't know how.--Vladivostok 03:58, October 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, links are easy. Generally if you put brackets around a title (for example: Uyghur Soviet Socialist Republic (1983: Doomsday) ) you create a link: Uyghur Soviet Socialist Republic (1983: Doomsday). However because having "(1983: Doomsday)" showing up at every link doesn't look so good, we have a special template that does the same job. If you write you also get a link: . Hope that helps. Mitro 13:53, October 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks,that sure makes things a bit easier.Only one more thing. If your not busy,feel free to look at the Siberian article page. I have made a few changes and I'd like to see what people think of the page. And if you know any good map making problem, that would to a world of good--Vladivostok 14:39, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Cuba
Sure go ahead with Cuba. Also don't forget to talk to Ben about Costa Rica, he is the creator for that article. Mitro 23:22, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Costa Rica & Nicaragua
I'm sorry I didn't notice the first message about it. I have been meaning to do more work on Costa Rica & Nicaragua for a while now, in fact I just checked out a book so I can familiarize myself with the area. But obviously I'm not an expert on it, and for that reason my plans stalled around 1990 or so. I've focused more on the Limoneses at the other end of the country than on the Sandinistas, mostly because I don't know enough about them. So if you have ideas for it, sure, write them. I would like to continue contributing to the page, especially as I read more. Some of what I have written might also have to be changed, if it turns out to be implausible or innacurate.

These were my plans for the period since 1990, which I haven't written yet. Some ideas may be good, some may be lousy: Benkarnell 17:08, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * A lot of complex back-and-forth between the sides. A couple of times the Sandinistas in Nicaragua and CR might try to unite, but then split again.
 * The Contras might sometimes form larger organizations in an attempt to take the capital and/or control territory to form breakaway states. The Moskito region might have a major Contra presence.
 * The "Partido Urbano" (not the best name, but some left-wing street gang-like organization) formed c. 1996 in San Jose and attempting to organize what's left of Costa RIca's central valley and metro area.
 * Oscar Arias coming to power in Limon sometime in the 90s, and he helps de-escalate the war
 * Rise of Limonismo on the Caribbean coast, basically an Afro-Caribbean movement that helps put the current President in power
 * A Church-controlled micro-state emerging somewhere in the Central Valley, probably Cartago

Map of Siberia


Well, I started this map, but then stopped making it. I don't like its technical quality, I am not sure whether the boundaries are okay, I suspect that the nuclear impact should re-estimated, and I am not sure whether I have chosen a good map projection. BTW, on this map the Kazakh Republic includes a significant portion of Kyrghyzstan, therefore I suppose it's called the Kazakh-Kyrghyz SSR. — Hellerick 11:31, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Tibet?
Um...I am not sure what comment you are reffering to. Can you be more specific? Mitro 16:03, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok I looked at the Tibet article and the discussion on the main talk page. My "copyedit" comment was just a summary of my edits to the page, I was trying to clean it up since I am anal about the structure of articles. It seems that the only reason the article has not been graduated is because no one has done it yet. If you don't mind I will leave a message asking for any objections and if there are none we can go ahead and graduate the article. Mitro 16:07, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but that is not what I meant my "copyedit". We seem to be lagging behind each other in our messages. As you can see I only meant it to summarize my edits to the page at the time. Copyedit is another way to say "proof read." Do you understand? I never meant it to be a critique of the article. Mitro 16:10, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, I am glad we cleared up this misunderstanding. Anyway if no one objects to Tibet being canon by the end of the day I will remove the proposal tag personally. Mitro 16:17, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

USSR articles
Well obviously the map of Siberia will have to be changed so that it omits western Alaska, but other then that I have no objection to graduating the other articles. Mitro 15:33, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * FYI: myself, Ben or I aren't the official page graduaters. Anyone can graduate a page as long as they follow the . As long as your article(s) are listed on the main talk page page and you have moved to graduate the articles, if there are no objections after 12 to 24 hours then nothing should stop you from graduating them yourself. If there are objections you should refrain from graduating your articles until those objections are satisfied. As for those three Soviet articles, I'm ok with graduting them and keeping Soviet Alaska as a proposal for now. Mitro 22:38, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

I have spoken to Mr X
I told him he should have asked you before reverting the changes i will rollback the changes to your edit --Owen1983 17:08, December 5, 2009 (UTC)--Owen1983 17:08, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the rollback,but it seems it was all just one big misunderstanding.--Vladivostok 21:23, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

economy 1983 doomday
You have improved this articl a great deal ty--Owen1983 17:16, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh,don't be silly, I just added the currency of Siberia, no big deal.--Vladivostok 21:24, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

WCRB
Hello Vladivostok. Given how much work you have put into the Siberia article I think it's about time I give up my position in the. If you want you can replace me as the head of the Siberian Division. You don't have to do any extra work or anything; this is just to show that you are in charge of the region. You have really done a lot more than I ever could have done with this page.--ShutUpNavi 03:30, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

Re:A few unrelated topics
I'm not really the person to ask about space stuff, I haven't really contributed to any of those articles.

I am studying for finals right now, but I am trying to limit my time here to before 8am, between 12 and 1, 5 and 7 and after 10. There will be a few days when I will be gone all day(s). My reasoning is I shouldn't cut myself off completely from my hobbies. The drunk part happens on the 18th :-)

And yes I am Serbian, but only a quarter from my dad's side. I am also Irish, German and Austrian. One time when I was pulled over by the cops for speeding I was asked whether I was Serbian or Croatian. Fearing that I would be arrested if I said the wrong answer, I decided the truth was the best bet and lucky me I was let go with only a warning.

I saw you graduated those 2 articles on the Russians, don't forget to archive their section on the main talk page. Mitro 23:13, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

New editors writing things on USSR
You might want to check out some of the recent headlines: WCRB Newshour Main Page (1983: Doomsday). Mitro 23:37, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Siberian news headlines
I saw those, but didn't write any of them. I did copy and paste them on to the WCRB Newshour main page, though. Jpsarmento I think is the person you need to speak with.

Khanate of Aralia
Hey man,i need your help creating the article on the khanate of aralia,i have some ideas and Mitro told me that you're an expert on the USSR so i think you could help me Jpsarmento
 * Forget about what Jpsarmento said. I made the article already. However, I was wondering something, and figured you were the best person to ask (being that you are the "expert" on Socialist Siberia). When scientists from Siberia found the nation, the Khanate of Aralia was informed that it was to be taken over by Siberia. However, the Khanate refused. Angered citizens, not representing the nation, kidnapped Siberian journalists. What would Siberia do? (peace is not an option, because Aralia is far too warlike)

Thanks anyways! Edward Hannis  16:24, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Attack and destroy
 * 2) Attack and conquer
 * 3) Leave the Khanate alone
 * RE: Okay. So do you want me to make the USSR attack and conquer? Edward Hannis  [[File:CogHammer.gif]] 16:44, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * RE: I'm on it. Edward Hannis  [[File:CogHammer.gif]] 16:49, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think that Pakistan would become an allie of Aralia during the Soviet-Aralian war and would supply the Khanate with guns,food and would even send some soldier to help them to fight the soviets,after a long war,the soviets would be exhausted and would leave Aralia. Jpsarmento

Jpsarmento,first it needs to be made canon, but a few issues, such as the one you raised should also be answered, namely how would Pakistan have the industrial capability of supplying the rebels in Aralia? Perhaps the SAC? We'll take our time and then decide on the talk page. And,even though I am all for tension between Siberia and Aralia, please ask me at least if you're going to change something.--Vladivostok 21:47, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * It has been brought to my attention that the Khanate of Aralia may have missiles, from the top-secret base the USSR had there on Vozrozhdeniya Island. With that being brought up, I'm doubting that the Socialist Siberians would attack them. Edward Hannis  [[File:CogHammer.gif]] 02:09, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

Please help the LCP
I don't know if you've heard of the Wikination Lovia, but we are currently being ruled by a despot and need to recruit members to our party (Communist) in order to topple him. It would be great if you took part. Otherwise, you can help simply by adding your name to the list of members. Thank you! LCP

You can also visit our Germanian Empire here: Link--Scanderson 21:00, January 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * We would be very happy to see you join in. Wikination truly is a wonderful site with many active users and a fine community. I am sure that you would like the place. And besides: we can always use new members for our political party, the LCP, as comrade Scanderson has already told you. Godspeed, Dr. Magnus 16:43, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

ENGLISH
For a guy for whom english is not their 1st language, you are remarkably adapt at using it. -- HAD 16:08, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

your welcome. remember: i before e except after c. (LOL)HAD 19:16, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Liberia
I really don't have any plans for Liberia. Ever since Oer's West Africa plan was accepted, I turned over the future of the article to Oer. So if you do want to try writing an article on that small Liberia successor state go ahead. Mitro 03:54, February 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well Liberia seems to be in quite a bit of turmoil still. While fighting has ceased theres no real central government. Its possible it could get split, with the leftist factions being propped up by Siberian support, while the West African Union tries to get the rest re-united with Monrovia.Oerwinde 09:24, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well it was only 2009 when the fighting stopped, and Liberia is still divided amongst various warlords and such. Its ideal conditions for Siberia to being providing aid to the more sympathetic groups in the hopes of creating a stable communist state in the region.Oerwinde 19:23, February 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't see it as a problem. The WAU nations are resource rich and in need of markets for those resources so they're not going to be hostile. Their politics are about balance so it would be against balance to have relations with the ANZC aligned states, but not Siberian aligned.Oerwinde 19:52, February 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Arms deal sounds fine. WAU needs weapons too and Russian weapons are known for their reliability.Oerwinde 07:42, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

Soviet-Nicaraguan-Costa Rican military operations
There are actually two border regions between Nicaragua and Costa Rica where the governments have not been able to take control for the last 25 years. One is the Miskito Coast/lower San Juan River swamp area, but the other is the Nicoya Peninsula, where a Contra group has literally run things since about 1989. The forest and mountains in the peninsula have prevented any kind of military solution (despite many tries by both countries), and the guerrillas in there aren't negotiating, either. If the USSR is sending a big military force to Nicaragua, I imagine that Costa Rica would be cooperating with them in both of these border areas, and Pres. Toledo probably met with Tuleyev. It wouldn't want to join the new Soviet alliance, but definitely cooperate with it in this area. Benkarnell 00:03, February 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Probably it would make the most sense for Pres. Toledo to have gone to Nicaragua yesterday. Tuleyev and Ortega probably met on their own, but they probably had time to see Toledo as well. Either that, or he could be in Managua today meeting with them. And I'm sure Siberia never gives something for nothing. Costa Rica would be wary of joining the CSTO outright; in fact, neutrality toward Siberia is a cornerstone of Toledo's foreign policy, since his predeccessor was educated in Moscow and was seen as too pro-Soviet. But in exchange for military aid, the USSR might demand observer status at the very least; maybe some economic concessions as well. OTOH, I'm sure Costa Rica is getting pretty good at playing the Siberians against the South Americans. Toledo could well say, "Sure, we'll join as observers, but I can't agree to any further commitments on our part. Perhaps the SAC is more willing to help us out." ...That sort of thing. Benkarnell 14:12, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

so what your saying is that Costa Rica becomes a sort of Central American Yugoslavia? --HAD 14:21, February 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's sort of where it was already. Costa Rica had done its best to stay out of the Cold War, and it had worked quite happily with the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. Then with Doomsday it fought a war against them. Soviet mediation helped end the war but cost Costa Rica some territory, which many are still bitter about. Now they're looking to a policy of cooperation with Nicaragua because they have so many common interests, but they're wary that the USSR is just looking to replace the USA as the Central American hegemon, so it's just smart (and very Costa Rican) to look somewhere else for help to stay neutral. Benkarnell 14:34, February 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Do not forget that Costa Rica needs the military help of Siberia and Nicaragua more vice versa, which means that the position of the USSR is rather strong. But what would the Siberians want? Not the Costa Rican CSTO-observer status because it would not seriously commit Costa Rica to anything and give the USSR real additional advantages. More likely are agreements, which allow Nicaraguan-Siberian forces to pursue Contras into Costa Rican territoty and etablish Siberia & allies as main supplier of the Costa Rican military. Grand Prince Paul II. 16:45, February 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * And that's exactly what Toledo is afraid of. His own inclinations and the current national mood mean that he will not want to sign anything that turns Costa Rica into anything resembling a Soviet client. He may want to keep trying the strategy of playing the powers off one another... which may mean a longer impasse in the border lands, because there will be no progress until Costa Rica and Nicaragua can agree to cooperate.
 * If Siberia wants to apply heavier tactics to Costa Rica, they can use the Nicoya Peninsula to get some leverage. Officially, it does not belong to either CR or Nicaragua, since the border within Guanacaste Province was determined by referendum, and there was no way to hold the referendum in the peninsula. Nicaragua has tried to occupy it at least once, but could not dislodge the Contra (or post-Contra) guerrillas entrenched there. Siberia could say, if it wants to get tough about it, "Look, we're giving the Nicos 10,000 of our troops. They are probably, eventually, going to be rooting the rebels out of Nicoya. They can either do so as your partners and give the land back to you later, or they can let the Nicaraguans take it. What'll it be?"
 * On the third hand, South America might well be willing to play this game with Costa Rica. If I were one of the South American leaders, I would be annoyed (if not downright frightened) to see the Soviets strong-arming Central American and Caribbean presidents like it was the Cold War all over again. I might even go so far as to offer the Costa Ricans military aid on rather generous terms, just to prevent Siberia from gaining another satellite on "my" isthmus.
 * On the fourth hand, maybe Toledo and the Costa Ricans are calculating that Siberian clientage might not be so bad. It could well be better than South American clientage - Siberia's on the other side of the Pacific Ocean, whereas South America is just a half-hour plane ride away. Benkarnell 17:01, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Concerning the new Siberian military help; I think that the USSR will rather send 10000 sailors (and members of their naval infantry) rather than 10000 of their ground forces. It's less risky and add something to the newest attempt to destroy the Contras all previous anti-Contra campaigns did not include, a powerful naval component, which would be quite helpful against the coastal-based Contra forces. Fortunately, the Siberian navy is one of the world's premier navy and should easily assemble a Naval task force for Central America. Grand Prince Paul II. 18:08, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * When I wrote the news hour reports I was kind of think of all the branches of the military, as I was thinking of the air force and marine units as well, sorry for the mix up. I'll redo the report to incorporate the discussion. I think that Costa Rica could be an observer, there are plenty of instances of observers in OTL organizations that do not expect to join an organization.--Vladivostok 19:47, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * I did not think that 10000 soldiers would be part of a pure ground force. Instead, I expect the Siberian Expeditionary Force to be primary a naval squadron. Nicaragua and Costa Rica can recruit enough soldiers on their own but they lack the sufficient superiority in fire power, mobility and strategy for a quick conventional victory against the Contras. They Siberian navy would provide that and additionaly prove their usefulness. Grand Prince Paul II. 21:22, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

CSTO member nations
I'm pretty sure that I saw a CSTO page somewhere,(or some discussion about it) but I can't figure out where. at Any rate, I don't think that its the thing Korea would join, except perhaps as an observer. could you show me where the main information of CSTO is?Desert viking 00:54, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Indochina
Sorry for not responding. Since Yankovic beat you to it, are you not going to use that scheme for Indochina, or are you both going to try coming up with a compromise version? I do like Yank's idea of an anti-communist Vietnam. It's a good balance to the rampant bolshevism in the Americas ;-). Benkarnell 18:54, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

File:Siberia map (1983DD).svg
"Primorsky Krai Territory" sounds nonsense because "krai" already means "territory". It should rather be "Primorskaya Territory" (Приморская территория). — Hellerick 16:37, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Karelia
I think you can start working on them if you want. Mitro 14:53, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Can the be a member or regional partner of the CSTO?Vegas adict 10:15, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

I'd like the three countries to become independent full members and the CAMC a regional partner, i belive a USSR minister was in Lagos recently so if you post a news section about them visiting the CAMC and the three countries joining the CSTO, then me or you could add them to the list of CSTO countries.Vegas adict 10:40, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, You'd be right about the CSTO's position, the CAMC wouldn't need military support at the moment but supplies would be welcome.Vegas adict 18:21, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

EU
Hello there. Nice work on the. I just wanted to ask you... what is "Island"? You mentioned that Croatia and Macedonia become members in 2009, but what is Island supposed to be? --NuclearVacuum 14:54, May 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * No worries. I do the same thing. Iceland is fine with me. Also, nothing against the guy, but Medvedev seems better for now.