Talk:1983: Doomsday/Misc4

Olympic Games
As a note, our version of the 2012 Summer Games starts tomorrow, the 27th, in Auckland. It will end on August 12th.

Any ideas for victors?

Lordganon (talk) 08:47, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

Who was it who did the formula for the Europa Games? I'd suggest we copy that! Feg (talk) 08:57, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

In no particular order, I think that the USSR (may be a stretch), the Celtic Union, the Alpine Confederation, and the ANZC should be the top scorers, as most of them are fairly stable and would therefore have a lot more practice and training than other now-third-world countries who entered, like Egypt. Nmalekafzali (talk) 09:03, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

No way I'm doing what I did for the Europa Games again for this one, lol.

I figure that we use the last World Cup, the Europa Games, Otl results, and whatever info we have from our other sports mentioned through the wiki in making the results.

And, add baseball/softball and rugby to the events. Any other additions in mind? And, of course, we'd need to take note of events that would not be on the list here, too.

...And decide what nations have their teams qualify for the team events, like baseball and basketball. My guess, the gold medalists from the Europa Games would qualify, at the very least.

The members of the SAC, followed by the ANZC, will likely have the most medals.

Lordganon (talk) 09:24, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

Could we add cricket to the events? The CA, Canadians and ANZC (major powers) all play it. National cricket teams of the Germans and Austrians have also been formed in OTL (my cricket coach just so happens to be the coach of Austria :P), so the Alpines might play it. Thoughts? :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:59, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

Cricket sounds good as an addition. Lordganon (talk) 07:19, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

For soccer...

Looking into it, I'd say off hand that the winners of the last world cup, and of the Europa Games - add to that any other similar winners - with some sort of seeding games like otl to add the remaining teams. Maybe the last Olympic Champion qualifies too, if they still exist, or their recognized successor if one exists - heck, barring that they could even have the same hold for the ones that placed second. Up to the regional federations on how to do this exactly. Same applies for other sports.

The ANZC - or would it be New Zealand? Not sure how we're dividing that here - would, of course, since they are hosting, automatically qualify. And since they won the last Cup, the 2nd place gets in from there instead.

I'd say 16 men's teams and 12 women's teams, like otl, sounds about right. The men's number had been 16 since well before DD, and the women have had less teams since they started playing in the 1990s. Could always nudge it up to match, mind, in which event the continental qualifying would be the same.

So, for starters....

Men: ANZC(host), Celtic Alliance (2nd at World Cup), Cleveland (winner at Europa Games), Mexico (by far the strongest in the Americas north of South America, would easily get in by dominating their neighbors).

Women: ANZC (host), Celtic Alliance (winner at Europa Games), Mexico (by far the strongest in the Americas north of South America, would easily get in by dominating their neighbors).

From there...

Men: 1 more European team, 3 Asian teams, 3 African teams, 1 more from Central America/the Caribbean, 2 from South America, 1 from Oceania, and the remaining team from North America.

Women: 2 Asian teams, 2 African teams, 1 more from North/Central America/the Caribbean, 2 from South America, 1 from Oceania, and one more from Europe.

Have to think as for likely candidates, but remember: not all of the highest ranked nations ever get to the Olympics in team sports.

Lordganon (talk) 09:12, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe i can help in the football soccer, since that is the sport about more i know. What about tennis? Regards! --Katholico (talk) 00:27, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

Tennis would be a sport.

Yes, I'd love help, Kath, lol. Let's discuss that over on the page for the games, mind.

Lordganon (talk) 08:08, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

Says that the ANZC are coming as one team on the ANZC page. Thought I'd leave this note, here's a link -

Guess we ought to figure out where the next one will be - along with the location of the next World Cup, since that is also undecided.

...Shoot. Just noticed that we apparently were supposed to have another winter games this last February. Kind of missed that one.

Suppose I should move that until 2014, unless anyone objects. Bumping other dates down, obviously, too. Didn't make any sense for our world to have the two in the same year, anyways.

...And then the 2018 and 2022 Winter Games, and the 2020 Summer Games need to be bid on and decided too.

Lordganon (talk) 07:26, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

Another Winter games in february? Where you read this LG? I only found about Winter Games in 2010 :O Regards! --Katholico (talk) 02:22, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Look at the page on the Olympic Committee. Don't know why on earth it was written like that, but that's what it says.

Would anyone object to to me fixing that little error?

Also, I figure we'll do some bidding for other events later next month, once again, unless someone objects.

Lordganon (talk) 05:50, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Well, yes, the article has some incorrect information. The page says that the 2012winter game should took place in Trondheim, Nordic Union, but also mentions the 2016 Winter Games :S Go ahead LG please. --Katholico (talk) 06:18, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Fixed as I noted - the Winter games have been moved to the discussed 2014, 2018, and 2022 setup. Cleaned the article up a lot too. Lordganon (talk) 06:59, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

We are in October, so the 2012 Olympic Games had already ended (in OTL and this Timeline). And I have some questions:

- Did the Olympic Torch travel around the world?

- How was the opening and closing ceremonies?

- What nations competed?

- Any highlighted athletes? What countries were in the top of the medal table?

Halliwellroad (talk) 18:40, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

The opening and closing ceremonies would have been relatively quiet, low-key events.

The torch would indeed have traveled around the world, to some degree. My current plan is to have a ship from the ANZC fleet stationed at Malta pick up the torch from Olympia, in the Greek Federation, and return to the ANZC with it, stopping along the way.

A list of medal-winners, events, and competing nations is forthcoming. I've got it about half plotted out by this point.

Highlighted athletes are unlikely.

Lordganon (talk) 08:10, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Finished plotting it out, will put in on the page over the next few days. Lordganon (talk) 10:49, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

Results are up. Still a few sections to finish, but the results are all there now. The ANZC are the overall winners, followed by Brazil and the East Caribbean Federation. Lordganon (talk) 10:16, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

I'm New
Hey, my name is Bfoxius, you probably know me as the co-conspirator in Sasafred12's spam article "Mcdonalds Empire", but I actually was the one who made the wiki to "store it" in case Sasafred wanted to expand it. Anywho, I'm past that, and am an active participant in a few map games, but I want to make/help with a legit althistory. (Hint, "Lincoln's Oregon" coming soon). I am from Oregon, and am mostly interested in helping with Oregon/Pacific Northwest pages. I've been reading 1983: DD pages for a few months, and would like the begin contributing. Regards, Bfoxius (talk), Republic of Astoria.

UEFA European Football Championship
Given that the World Cup is still running could the same be said for this competition??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_European_Football_Championship Verence71 (talk) 22:28, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

It'd have to have started up again in recent years. The World Cup had to, after all. Lordganon (talk) 05:24, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

That's what I meant and the same goes for the African Cup of Nations :) Verence71 (talk) 18:16, September 10, 2012 (UTC

TV program
There is a program on UK TV tonight (25 September) about 'The man who prevented WWIII' if 'someone' wishes to add the reference. Jackiespeel (talk) 17:45, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

I guess we were all too occupied (or just disinterested) when the "anniversary" came around this year, Jackie. However, I checked, and this would have been a different POD (Oct. 1962). It came a lot closer than our POD, though. The man in question was an admiral for the Soviet fleet that vetoed a torpedo attack on the US. SouthWriter (talk) 02:33, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Possible Small Survivor Nation in Northeast Ohio?
I grew up in a small community in northeastern Portage County, Ohio, called Garrettsville. The town is located 45 miles southeast of Cleveland, 35 miles east of Akron, and 35 miles northeast of Youngstown, in a rural area between the major population centers of northeastern Ohio that were nuked on Doomsday. A discussion on this wiki's Facebook page with a member there led to the suggestion that not only would Garrettsville have possibly survived Doomsday intact, it could have thrived and possibly doubled in size since Doomsday (would bring the town's population to between 4,000 and 5,000 if this happened). An ICBM may have struck the large 21,000 acre Ravenna Army Ammunition Plant five to 10 miles to the south, but if not, an active military installation would have remained intact immediately south of my hometown. It was suggested that fallout from the nuclear strikes on Akron and Cleveland would have traveled north-northeast, staying west and north of Garrettsville and likely leaving the neighboring towns of Mantua and Hiram unscathed as well. It was suggested that even if an ICBM struck the ammunition plant, some survivors and military equipment would have made it and helped restore order to the area following Doomsday. Thousands of refugees from the suburbs closer to Cleveland and Akron would have fled towards the rural areas further east, including Garrettsville. This led to an idea that most of northern Portage County, Ohio, would have survived intact and thrived following Doomsday, possibly doubling its OTL populations by now. I then suggested that the western half of Geauga County to the north would likely have the same thing happen in that area, with most of Geauga County being spared fallout from the Cleveland and Akron strikes. In the eastern half of Geauga County is the fourth-largest Amish settlement in the world in Middlefield. Geauga County's county seat of Chardon would be poised to become the capital of a survivor state in this area, being far enough away from Cleveland and Akron and being spared most fallout.

Very little has been said about this specific area of Ohio following Doomsday. The Toledo Confederation currently has territorial claims to Lake County, north of Geauga County, but I suggested that their control of that county would be very limited due to the radioactivity surrounding the ruins of Cleveland and would mostly only be accessible by Toledo by boat via Lake Erie, so it isn't impossible that Lake County could be ceded to this potential survivor state based in Chardon either through diplomacy or military force using the military aid given to the area by any survivors from the Ravenna Army Ammunition Plant. Meanwhile, North Pennsylvania currently only holds claims to Ashtabula, Trumbull, and Mahoning Counties in Ohio, the counties immediately to the east of Lake, Geauga, and Portage Counties. While a scenario in which those three counties could be claimed by North Pennsylvania, none of them have yet been mentioned in the North Pennsylvania page outside of an obscure reference to the 2009 exploration by North Pennsylvania in which that survivor nation was going to annex more of Ohio, but stopped midway through "the second county" due to "trouble in the area." Might it be an isolationist survivor state based in northern Portage County and western Geauga County? Or would the area be controlled by warlords still to this day? It had been suggested on the Facebook page that most raiders would be more interested in the suburbs closer to Cleveland and Akron than the rural areas further east.

So my suggestion is this--with help from workers from the Ravenna Army Ammunition Plant, a military could be raised in the area. Additionally, Hiram, Ohio, is home to Hiram College, providing this region with a college campus that would likely be much bigger than in OTL. In Burton, there has been a thriving maple syrup industry for decades in OTL, while in Middlefield, the Amish living there would likely thrive as well, and help the "yankees" learn how to live in a world post-Doomsday and provide aid through Amish-made goods and agricultural skills. If Lake County (even if only the western half) could be acquired by this collection of small villages, it would provide them with a port on Lake Erie, and thus open up trade to other nations based in the Great Lakes region, especially Superior and Toledo, plus give this region a direct route to the Atlantic Ocean via the St. Lawrence River, and thus also to the rest of the world. WIth North Pennsylvania apparently still having big problems due to the Kinzua Dam failure and subsequent flooding of the major city of Warren in that nation, there would be little control over the region in question by that government at the present time.

The region in question would comprise the following towns and townships:

Portage County Geauga County Lake County
 * Villages
 * ​Garrettsville
 * Hiram
 * Mantua
 * Windham (though possibly destroyed or severely damaged if the Ravenna Army Ammunition Plant immediately to the south was struck on Doomsday)
 * Townships
 * ​Mantua Township
 * Hiram Township
 * Nelson Township (possibly affected by fallout from the possible Ravenna Army Ammunition Plant strike)
 * Shalersville Township
 * Freedom Township
 * Windham Township (possibly affected and/or destroyed by the possible Ravenna Army Ammunition Plant strike)
 * Cities
 * ​Chardon (county seat and possible capital)
 * Villages
 * ​Aquilla
 * Burton
 * Middlefield
 * Townships
 * ​Auburn Township
 * Burton Township
 * Chardon Township
 * Claridon Township
 * Hambden Township
 * Huntsburg Township
 * Middlefield Township
 * Montville Township
 * Munson Township
 * Newbury Township
 * Parkman Township
 * Thompson Township
 * Troy Township
 * Cities
 * ​Painesville (county seat and possible capital)
 * Villages
 * ​Fairport Harbor
 * Grand River
 * Madison
 * Perry
 * Unincorporated Communities
 * ​North Madison
 * North Perry
 * Painesville-on-the-Lake
 * ​Townships
 * ​Concord Township
 * LeRoy Township
 * Madison Township
 * Painesville Township
 * Perry Township

In OTL, this region has approximately 150,000 residents, and in ATL has the potential for having that much or perhaps more. A military raised by survivors from the Ravenna Army Ammunition Plant could ensure the region is self-sufficient, while Hiram College and the Geauga campus of Kent State University would provide further education for the region. A significant Amish population would likely be instrumental in the region's agricultural industry and would likely influence the culture and lifestyle of the people in the region, especially in the Geauga County portion of the survivor state. Burton's maple syrup industry could thrive. The influx of refugees would likely require the chopping down of many acres of forest, building a lumber industry in the area. Ports on Lake Erie in Fairport Harbor, North Madison, North Perry, and Painesville-on-the-Lake, would give the region access to the Great Lakes for trade and possibly shipping and fishing industries.

Unless I've missed some information about the region I've outlined in the 1983 Doomsday world, this region could easily be self-sufficient today. North Pennsylvania's claims to this area may have at one point led the area to briefly join North Pennsylvania in 2009 or 2010 in ATL, but perhaps succeeded from that nation following the Kinzua Dam disaster in April 2012 in ATL and may only now be becoming a separate survivor state. I would imagine this area did have to deal with raiders for some time following Doomsday, and may perhaps still to this day. Furthermore, winters in this region, especially in Geauga and Lake Counties, which would make up the bulk of this survivor state, are particularly harsh due to their location in the Lake Erie Snowbelt, which would have provided challenges in the first years following Doomsday as well. But with an influx of refugees from areas closer to where the nukes struck on Doomsday as well as from Canada, this region could possibly have retained its current OTL population or perhaps have exceeded it by this point as well, especially in Portage County closer to the Ravenna Army Ammunition Plant and further away from the snowbelt. Does anyone have any other information that might support or discredit a possibility that this particular region of northeast Ohio may indeed have survived (and prospered, even) following Doomsday?

50.51.129.57 09:22, December 14, 2012 (UTC)Michael Fackler

Surviving and being bigger atl, and this are very different things. You took something good about what I told you, and ran much too far with it, beyond the point of possibility.

There is no question that the plant would have been hit. Pretty much all of these plants were.

Mantua would have gotten fallout from Akron. I'd bet on the refugees from the outer towns of the area being a problem there, too.

Hiram would likely be in about the same situation as Garrettsville.

The reason why I said it would be prosperous on some level, would not have anything to do with the refugees. Really, had those refugees, ones from the plant aside, gotten that far the area would be gone. This would be about as far as "civilization" would be into Ohio coming from this direction, and kind of a "frontier" sort of place. People from North Penn, and elements of their military, would be in the area, making it larger and better off in many ways than in otl.

Geauga County, and that area on general, is full of problems - that is more or less where North Penn had to stop expansion. The region would have been eaten up by refugees from Cleveland, and, indeed, is on record as having been. This includes the Amish communities, who accompanied the refugees that arrived in what became North Penn to that location. This is also where bandits would still lie.

Toledo does indeed claim the area where Cleveland used to be. Their claims to the area east of that, realistically, are moot - North Penn has control over the areas east of Cleveland. But there's really no inhabitants, so the point is largely moot.

Any survivors from the plant would be few in number, and probably not including active duty soldiers in their number. There won't be any aid there.

Remember, too, that many things in this timeline are smaller than they are. North Penn has expected west of the counties in the article by now.

And, to add to that, North Penn was formed by the locals of NW Pennsylvania, along with a provisional Ohio government that had to flee Warren, Ohio, shortly after DD. The locals wouldn't mind them being the government too much - they actually have a valid claim to Ohio, and a good one at that.

Burton is/was abandoned. Might be resettled to some degree by now, but that'd be barely, at best.

The St. Lawrence Seaway has been impassible since DD. It's basically impossible to get between Lakes Huron and Erie, along with between Lake Ontario and the River itself. The locks have been destroyed or rendered unusable by time and a lack of electricity. The ones between Lakes Erie and Ontario are really not usable either - only the ones between Huron and Superior have remained operational. Nor will this change for a long time to come - best to hop for is ways around the destroyed locks, and even that will be years.

Kinzua Dam isn't anywhere near Ohio - the effects would be very minimal there.

The majority of the areas you're referring to were more or less destroyed. The areas around Garrettsville would have survived to some degree, but those areas further north, or all that much further west, would not have. Between the fallout and refugees tearing everything up, not much would be left - and the majority of this remainder would be the raider-types that North Penn ran into.

Refugees would have been minimal, and there would not have been any from north of the lake. Simply put, they aren't going to head to Cleveland, which they'd have to go through to get to this area inland.

Way I figure it, you've probably got a 7km or so distance around the town that would have gone through things reasonably ok. Maybe another 3km past that that would have survived to some degree, given regional factors and our established history.

Areas east of this radius - which would be extended in that direction past the 7km mark - would have fled to Pennsylvania with the Warren government.

This area of NE Ohio, more or less all under North Penn, has around 30,000 people in it, with more coming each day, as refugees from decades earlier return. Probably about a third of these are in/around the Jefferson area. Another third, spread throughout the area and centered in Middlefield and Warren. The other third is in/around the Garrettsville region, which isn't going to be increasing in population near so fast as the rest of the area.

Basically, overall, these's not going to be a state in the area.

You could probably write an article on it as part of North Penn, however. We're very open to the idea of so-called "state" units of the new nations having articles, and you've my permission to start one for this section of North Penn if you want.

You may want to use more paragraphs next time, btw. Was rather hard to read that.

Lordganon (talk) 09:51, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

For the LoN: Reconstruction
It has been almost 30 years of the Doomsday. I think the radiation has dissipated to safe levels. So, I think is a good idea for the LoN decontaminate and reconstruct the cities destroyed by the Doomsday. Also I think is a good idea reconstruct (where possible) the countries destroyed in the Doomsday. The Goal: finishing bringing normality to the world.

Halliwellroad (talk) 13:24, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Not even remotely close to safe levels. Many of these areas are going to be contaminated for millennia.

Decontamination really is not possible. Only time can really do that.

Countries are gone. If they don't exist in some form by now, they aren't coming back.

Same for the cities. New centers of population, commerce, and industry will arise. The destroyed cities aren't coming back.

The world has been brought back to "normalcy" already.

Lordganon (talk) 13:44, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Lordganon, I was on a website

(http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS_Most_Chernobyl_towns_fit_for_habitation_2504121.html),

looking into Chernobyl and it said that the areas around the town will be resettled by 2020, but the city itself will be radioactive for around 20,000 years. In a nuclear war the size as in Doomsday many cities were struck multiple times. It has only been around 30 years since doomsday, and the Chernobyl disaster was much smaller than a nuclear device detonating. So any reconstruction would have to be far away from the blast zone. Potentially small sections of New Jersey could be repopulated, but as a whole I doubt anyone will be able to enter the cities because of radiation levels.

As you said, it would be far cheaper for nations to build new cities rather than spend the money 'scrubbing' the contaminated area, removing and disposing of radioactive materials, and rebuilding the city. Europe has spent over $460 million American Dollars just to START the clean up. It would be highly impractical to reclaim a nuked out city. Yes they were major hearts of civilization, but with the collapse of most of the nations that these cities were in, if I ruled a nation, I would not want to spend the money and manpower needed to reclaim them. It would be better spent attempting to restabilize the rest of the world.Daeseunglim (talk) 17:02, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Clarification: When I said about the cost for clean-up, it was for cleaning up Chernobyl, not a radioactive city...sorry for any confusion.Daeseunglim (talk) 13:14, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

You're reading too much into that article - when they evacuated after the event, the zone was far larger than necessary. It's saying that most of the towns in the zone will be reopened on that deadline - these are within the massive exclusion zone that was made too big in the first place, not the heavily contaminated zone. The bad areas in/around Chernobyl won't be touched.

Most of these strikes, be more or less impossible to "scrub" them. Just too far gone.

Large areas of New Jersey could be repopulated today - the fallout radiation is pretty well gone by this point, globally, except in certain areas. Heck, southernmost New Jersey has been part of Delmarva for a long time.

Lordganon (talk) 12:04, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

IMF
Do anyone think that a New International Monetary Fund would have been formed after the League of Nations was created. If one was I would like to mention it in my Malawi article.

Goldwind1 (talk) 03:33, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

No way. All of its funds, and most of its membership, along with their headquarters, were rendered into nothing by DD.

Nations left are either those that benefited from it, or too damaged to do anything.

A IMF would be unneeded, and unwanted. Just no point to it Post-DD.

Lordganon (talk) 06:06, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Glen Canyon Dam
i've been doing research into dam removal as part of my new job and looking at the wiki page for the glen canyon dam it states that there was significent damage to the spillways during the spring thaw of 1983 and damaged again in the winter of 1983/84. Obviously repairs took place in reality but in DD maybe it wasnt completed leading to failure of the canyon sides rather than the dam itself.

just a thought for any nations in the area

--Smoggy80 (talk) 18:39, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Between the 1983 damage, and the 1984 flooding - worse than in 1983, but less damage due to the improvements done in 1983 - the dam is inoperable, and probably mostly gone.

Only two areas would realistically be affected - part of Mexico, and the area around Lake Powell. One was evacuated temporarily because of refugee and radiation concerns, the other not in really inhabited regions. Anyone else downstream would have died in other manners anyways, prior to it having trouble.

Lordganon (talk) 23:06, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Possibility of survivors in the metro systems of nuked cities?
Okay, so I first thought up this concept while playing (link provided for those who want to check it out). The basic premise of the game, and the book that spawned it, is that after a nuclear war in 2013 (this year!), some lucky people were able to retreat to the Moscow Metro, which apparently also doubles as a nuclear bomb shelter of sorts. Now, twenty years later, the stations making up the metro have become independent in their own right, forming alliances, trading, waging war, among others. There are also mutated creatures to deal with here, but that's not really what's important right now.

Is it possible that here in 1983:DD, the same thing could have happened? Or is it just survivors trying to eke out a living in the metro system? Or is it the worst case scenario, in which the radiation is too overwhelming even for the tunnels and stations buried deep underground, and that those who managed to survive the nuclear attacks on Moscow lived only to die a horrible death by radioactive poisoning?

It doesn't have to be centered in just Moscow. There are other cities with subways and metros before Doomsday, right? Like London, Tokyo, and New York. Is it possible that there are survivors in the stations and tunnels, or are they already dead? Godfrey Raphael (talk) 12:17, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

The possibility of survivors on the London Tube has been brought up, with it being late at night/early in the morning, the system would've been shut down for the night. Anyone down there would've been maintainance staff, however it wouldn't have helped as the blasts would've either created massive overpressure or simply collapsed everything. Plus the massive fires above ground would've sucked all the oxygen out of any surviving tunnels. I would imagine that the same would be true for any city with an underground system.--Smoggy80 (talk) 17:39, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

There is no way anyone would survive in the tunnels. Either the blasts would kill them outright, the fires would do it, the radiation would, a lack of food/water, or they'd have been trapped.

Even in shelters, no good would have happened. The entrances would have been sealed, and those within trapped for eternity. Even in areas lightly hit - Australia, for example - no aid would have come soon enough. Heck, those trapped, even if help had come, would have been killed by the radiation if they had gone out. Shelters in which people fled, and were somehow safe from radiation would have made a tribe of cannibals look civilized, with time.

None of these systems would really exist any longer.

Lordganon (talk) 23:13, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to make a small City-State somewhere...
I'm not completly sure if I should go with San Francisco Area or empty places in Panama... Any suggesstions?

I'm not online very often, but I'm GREAT at making detailed nations, heck, I even have my own Micronation.

CaptainRyRi (talk) 02:18, February 25, 2013 (UTC)CaptainRyRi

Both of those areas are covered. The SF area is effectively gone, and Panama has long been established as to the contents.

What areas do you hold interest in? I know of many things that could be written.

Lordganon (talk) 23:15, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

You could take over Kisangani. I'm pretty much done with nations on 83DD, I'm going to mainly focus on the culture areas from now on.             "Very funny, Scotty.   Now beam down my clothes."

I would like permission to create a city-state in New York
My proposal is for a city-state with a majority jewish (60-65%) population consisting of a couple tens of thousands of survivors from Westchester and Rockland country (Out of over 1.5 million formerly living making it likely that at least a couple thousand survived) with a couple thousand travelers from destroyed communities in Orange, putnam, dutchess, ulster and sullivan counties as well as northern new jersey and western connecticut. I think after 30 years, at least ten or twenty thousand people would reinhabit the remains of these areas.

~Dsolender

Dso, those are nuclear impact sites, for the most part - and the remainder is part of other groupings.

For that matter, it's doubtful that there'd be even half that number of Jews in the entire northeast, let alone this small part of it.

Radiation takes longer than that to go away, irregardless.

Lordganon (talk) 10:17, March 7, 2013 (UTC)