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WWII Question
You seem like a pretty friendly guy and it says you're a WWII expert, so here goes. I'm thinking of doing a timeline based on Hitler being shot and killed in the First World War. I've heard a lot about how even without Hitler, someone like him would have risen up regardless. This seems likely. I was wondering if you think this is plausible and if so, who it would be? Would the Nazi Party still be responsible, considering Hitler was the one who practically rebuilt it? Would it be another nationalist party, or possibly Communists? If you could answer any of these questions or point me out to someone who can, I'd be very grateful. Thanks in advance! Doctor Evulz (talk) 04:06, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you a lot! Good luck with Best New Contributor.

Doctor Evulz (talk) 04:33, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, I was wondering if I could ask you a favour: Could you perhaps post on PMII for the Wettin Lands for me? My iPad is being annoying and doesn't load the page past 1562, I'm on holiday and away from my PC, so I can't post on PMII. Thanks, Callumthered (talk) 00:53, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, probably for a fair few turns. I am really indebted to you for this. Callumthered (talk)

Yeah sure, I believe our royals are loosely related, so go ahead. Also, if the Catholic-Kappelist War starts, the WL would like to invade Altmark. Thanks again for this. Callumthered (talk)

I need to know what is going on exactly with europe, kappelists and such, also what is up with the IMG? it is chaired by Bavaria, but is still a private, independent business, it has never been directly ruled by Bavaria since the late 14, early 15 hundredsAndr3w777 (talk) 00:27, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

k got it, now that we are closer to hour zero(when i begin) how will things work, i know i declare independence and become a pro kappelist state, but what of my current catholic alliances?Andr3w777 (talk) 02:01, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

FTBW
I would like to thank you for the nomination of French Trafalgar, British Waterloo for the Stirling Awards this year. It's still a long way from done, but the broad overview of the story is finished.

With that, I would like to offer you the chance to help me with it. University and life has been getting in the way of me spending as much time as I have, but with your interests, I'm sure you would be a great help to me in fleshing out the world more than what I have done so far. As well, you seem pretty good at photo shopping, and I'm, well, not. If you would like to help, please let me know!

Lieut. Tbguy1992: Profile; Talk 23:01, December 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Pretty much. If it's not explicitly states somewhere in the "Main" articles (the ones with dates, ex: French Trafalgar, British Waterloo (1805-1831), its open for change/revision/edit/alternate historification. If you have any questions, ask, and I will answer as soon as possible. If there are some things in the main articles that don't make sense, let me know.


 * As for Photoshopped pictures, if you find something anywhere that looks like it could use a picture, make it and show it, and I will okay it. If you know sports, movies, television or music, feel free to start working with it. Except for video games, I never was much of a cultural savant lol.


 * Lieut. Tbguy1992: Profile; Talk 04:31, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

Stronger Latinoamerica
hi scraw, could you tell me what is the most asb-biased part of my timeline, so i can change it without changing the premise of the TL Stronger Latinoamerica  Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:46, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

well, mexico is going to break up but later in a similar way to the american civil war, lousiana falls to the spanish in 1815 after another attempt of reconquest,Oregon would become part of the british empire, and that should be plausible because i've seen many cases in tl that the british have it, and the Latinoamerican nations can be world power but would face harder situations than america, but it is possible considering many have resources to be world powers and the Florida is a Dominion of the spanish who still domain argentina, so even if the spanish didn't had the massive empire they should still be capable of sustaining the colony Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:55, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

Napoleonic Europe Revised!
Hey I made the Third Napoleonic Europe Map Game!Napoleonic Europe Revised! (Map Game)The old baby (talk) 15:48, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

Since you are sub mod I want you to always write the beginning mod event. I will write the beginning mod events sometimes, and you will know because there will already be writing there, and you could add to it if you want.

ATL Touhou Project
You bet! :D

It'll be Chinese and it shall take place in Japan.

To start, what could the two main characters be and what shall be the main theme of the game (Like Buddhist/Taoist/Shinto)? I was thinking maybe Seiga Kaku & Toyosatomimi no Miko or Ichirin Kumoi & Minamitsu Murasa as two main characters (well at least who look closest to them). Unless you have any other ideas. -Kogasa 2012年12月31日 05:22:35 (JST)

Here is what I got done so far. Let me know what you think.

Also should the characters names be in Chinese or just use the Japanese names? -Kogasa 2012年12月31日 10:17:12 (JST)

Radioactive Tide Reloaded!
You're invited to the post-apocalyptic map game, Radioactive Tide Reloaded! It has begun. Bfoxius (talk)

Very well, shall I announce the Bavaria Succession? Also, I will declare all non Catholic Alliances null except for Venice due to the IMG, we will not bother Venice.Andr3w777 (talk) 18:51, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, could I have some help with the National information page? I need to update all of the player's stats, using the rules from RT Revised, based on their actions for this turn. I also need to add Persia. Could you help? CourageousLife (talk) 22:51, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

All you have to do is read a post, and if they do something that corresponds with points on this page, then you add or deduct points accordingly. And I'm not asking you to do the whole page by yourself, I wouldn't ask you to do that. I just need some help, because I'm getting off break and can't sift through all of them by myself. CourageousLife (talk) 23:29, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Here's a thought -

Everyone is claiming to find old technology and is trying to make their own. So, to prevent a lot of implausibility, here's what I think we should do:

Set up another chart under the National Information page. Each turn that they research these technologies, we give them a number from Random.org that shows their progress. For example -

Sampleland discovers old firearms technology and starts to reverse engineer it.

There will be different values for each technology. Lets say firearms is 1 - 5% (meaning that it will take at least 20 turns to fully research guns). Go to Random.org and set the perameters for 1 and 5. The resulting number is plugged into their score. Say Random.org gives you a 4. That 4 is added to their current score on the National Information page.

Here are some basic values I've come up with:

Teir 1:


 * Steam engine: 1 - 20 (minimum of 5 turns research)


 * Engine: 1 - 10 (minimum of 10 turns research)


 * Firearms: 1 - 5 (minimum of 20 turns research)

Teir 2:


 * Radio: 1 - 5 (minimum of 20 turns research)


 * Military vehicles: 1 - 20 (minimum of 5 turns research)

Teir 3:


 * Computers: 1 - 5 (minimum 20 turns research)


 * Airplanes: 1 - 5 (minimum 20 turns research)


 * Nuclear Weapons: 1 - 5 (minimum of 20 turns reseach)

The reason they are in teirs is that they require a technology from the previous teir to be unlocked. For example, you would not just be able to research airplanes. You would need to research the engine, then military vehicles, and then airplanes, for a total of 35 turns research.

So, what do you think?

CourageousLife (talk) 00:04, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Napoleonic Europe Revised Map
Has been fixedThe old baby (talk) 20:39, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

I have returned...
After a period of exodus, I have at long last returned to this website. I can see that you have been productive, now having the second most badge points on the wiki.

Anyways, anything really new going on here? Any fun new map games I could get involved in?

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 21:01, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I am back. I never lost interest, I just needed time to recover and focus on school for a little bit. Hopefully I will not leave this time.

Happy New Year to you as well!

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 21:21, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Maximum Systema Revival
Now that I am back, I think it is about time that we return to this timeline. I am working on a new map of Earth, one that is purely physical, disregarding any political features. We can work out Humanity's history later.

What do you say?

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 23:13, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Here is my first proposal of an Earth map, but we need to work together on the Pacific area.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 23:22, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, so my plan didn't quite work. So what now, You've won. Will you allow Bavaria's indepedence or subgigate its people? I am open to options, we fought, you won. Fair deal. Also what the fuck is going on with the Caliphate and Russia? Andr3w777 (talk) 05:20, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

you cant take all that land though, your only entitled to 13%. I will not give up Baden, or traditional Bavaria(which OTL was indepedent)Andr3w777 (talk) 05:34, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

FUCK, NO SCRAW. INVADE POLAND AND I WILL RIP BRANDENBURG TO SHREDS AFTER THE CALIPHATE. LX AND I HAVE A PLAN GOING ON, WE'RE RETURNING IN 1576 AND CRACKING THEM BASTARDS OPEN. FUCKING TOUCH POLAND, AND I WILL SHOVE THAT PARTICULAR DECISION SO FAR UP YOURS, I'LL PULL IT OUT YOUR MOUTH.

Ok, I'm sorry, please excuse the language and the threats in the above paragraph. It's fun to vent. Sorry. Really. I'm not mad- the caliphate did us a favor, cos when we come back, we'll be revolutionary and get a *1.5 to drive them out. But our trusted allies backstabbing us in that process would really not help. Seriously. Just don't. Please.

Majorly implausible these guys are going, hmm? I mean, they shouldn't have even arisen, but now, they've really fucked the poodle here.

The Royal Guns (talk) 21:32, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Happy 9,000 edits! Anyways I have a few things to discuss but I probably will not see them until tomorrow.(Busy). First off, our worst nightmare has just happened in PM2; the Caliphate now borders both of us! As soon as they collapse, me and Venice will most likely destroy Burgundy due to possible colonial issues(maybe, Collie and I are figuring that part out-- we understand that you do not particularly like them, so we'd like to know if you would partake). In other news, West Frankia(in MW) and Italy are about to assault some sort of state. Maybe we should catch the christians while they are at war and invade? Just a thought.AP (talk) 06:01, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, in MW we have a reason to go to war with the Byzantines; they invaded and conquered a Muslim nation, Crete. They are currently holding the Emir hostage in Constantinople. In fact, the Cretan Emirate recognized your suzerainty. I suggest a full-on invasion using the Emirate's downfall as a casus belli.AP (talk) 09:10, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

No, don't fucking see. Do. Please. Our allies screwing us over at this point  really won't be helpful.

Anyway, don't you have some fairly minor huge civil wars going on in the HRE? Worry ye not, Russia shall return... with a lot more land as we shove it up their Caliphial arses.

The Royal Guns (talk) 20:30, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

You don't control the HRE so you can't guarantee that at all. Not to mention the fact this stupid deal will go against my entire plan of the Mahdi. No dice.

I will offer you something which suits us both much better though. You agree to bow down and let the Mahdi destroy Brandenburg in a 1 year war. This frees you from the constraints of the HRE and reduces your recent wars penalties, thus putting you in prime position to pick up the pieces once the Caliphate is destroyed. I'll also expand the area you get as a successor state once the Caliphate collapses to be larger than the territory you currently control as Brandenburg. That is a pretty sweet deal considering the time constraints and power deferences. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 23:20, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Best be quick, we invading you soon. I'll post later today, got maps and algorithms to make first. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:17, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Ah you read the Mahdi stuff, well we've had 1 earthquake so far, and I was going to do one this turn and the final earthquake in the last year of the Mahdi. Jesus will appear in the 7th year too. I may have Jesus lead the invasion of Italy or Spain, he gets discovered in newly conquered Morocco perhaps? Other signs will be added too. But its just a period of super expansion by probably the greatest general, leader and fraud who ever lived. I thought it was a good story to go with :P VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:36, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Love the new word implauying. Pretty cool. (DeanSims: Talk) 01:11, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Multiple things
OK I have several things.

1- You know all those turns we were expanding our colonies by 3000 sqkm in PM2? Collie said that the bonus is 100sqkm not 1000 and that we misread the thing. He said he would consider those expansions as 2100sqkm when he is making the map.

2- MW I've made a rough map of winnings for our victory against the Byzantine infidels,

3- Are you interested in making a map game? I feel like AvARE will die soon and the other 2 map games right now(World at War and Congress of Vienna) are straight-up implausible. AP (talk) 06:17, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Return of the King
Well, I see I must thank you considerably for taking care of the Wettin Lands during my absence. I am truly indebted to you.

Would you mind giving me a brief summary of events since I left? I have skimmed through the page, but there's an awful lot to read!

Thanks again, Callumthered (talk) 09:19, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Le Nouveau Joue
So, back to the map game. Not only is it a perfect time to start one, but there is also so many ideas. I have one idea I like that I've never seen (at least in my time) here on the wiki. Everything is like WWI or II. I suggest we find some way of making a game in which we create a POD which plausibly makes the War of Spanish Succession end with a Franco-Spanish victory(and later personal union, inheritance, the whole 9 yards). Let me know.--AP

A New Game?
Can you look at this and let me know what you think? I am thinking of restarting this.

This game.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 04:36, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

The Caliphate is attacking the HRE in Bohemia, and is about to directly attack Brandenburg. The United Kingdoms of Bavaria and Thrungia, are not Kappelist, merely independent, if you so choose, we can enter one last war to help stop the Caliphate, providing you not attack our lands in the future(my plan was to turn Bavaria into the OTL Swiss, the bank of Europe, nuetral but also very pro HRE)Andr3w777 (talk) 16:34, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

PMII
Seeing as the Caliphate is one day from dead, can we make a deal here?

The first problem towards the Federation that Lx and I are working on is Caliphial and Russian Europe- basically, in 1576, we're all independent, but split up. In Poland, there will be a war between the Secessionists and the Federationists, which the Federationists will win, partially because they have the Royal Family's support, partially because there will be half a million Russian troops on their side.

Here, there's a quandary, because we both, I'm sure, would rather focus on reuniting our own nations, before screwing over our allies. You'll want to deal with your situation in Germany, us in Poland and Central Asia. So, why don't we get a truce here? If we untie our empire first, we won't screw you over; if you do so first, yopu won't screw us over. We weren't really planning to attack any of our allies, but it's better to be safe than sorry.

The Royal Guns (talk) 20:05, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

^You don't have half a million troops to help Poland. The Federationists in Poland are tiny as they were the ones all killed by the Caliphate when we invaded! Other Russian states (which you've only controlled for 100 years at most) will also rebel away. The Russian Federation is NO MORE! You'll need to make a new one. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 17:39, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Are you people incapable of listening to others?

Let me repeat this, again.

The areas of Muscovy and Novgorod that were ours at the time of the Federation's start will NOT rebel away. The Caliphate controlled Russia for around 5 years. In that time, no one was born who then grew up and lived under the Caliphial regime. In Muscovy and Novgorod, Every one thought they were Russian (And I mean part of the Federation), have thought they were Russian, lived as a Russian, and will CONTINUE to live as a Russian.

Are you seriously telling em that this doesn't occur? France was completely overtaken by the Germans during WWII, as was Poland, and half a dozen other states. What's the difference? Everyone there hated the oppressors as much, if not less, than the Russians hated the Caliphials. And when they came back, there was no trouble, because the government had survived by fleeing to another country- AS DID OURS.

As for Poland, We certainly do. Half a million is around 5% of the Russian population outside Poland and Central Asia. The total army force here would be some 10%, though, because we've activated the Druzhinas and other such militias, who are government trained soldiers each man.

And, by the way, according to the 'Red Rose', they were slaying all Christians. And, in any case, how are said rogues getting from the middle of Asia to Poland? Muscovy, ok, Novgorod, ok. Poland? If they found out that Poland had fallen, they'd have started moving in 1571... and reached Poland JUST in time for the Great Insurrection.

So, since the governments all survived, no, we don't need to make a new Federation. Since the Core Russian areas have remained, yes, we can salvage the Federation. And since that core area has over 1 million troops avalible- as well as the firmly Federationist Red Hand Militants- Yes, we can conquer the new segments.

The Royal Guns (talk) 20:31, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

What's more, even according to the map, Muscovy and Novgorod survived, albeit without many of their provinces. Now, according History atlas, Russia had 15 million people at this time, living in the Tver, Rostov, Novgorod, St.Petersburg, Muscovy area.

And, actually, what you don't seem to bloody understand is that the entire government apparatus survived- in exile, in Scandanavia. So, exactly how is anything annulled?

On the other hand, I see you kindly added 9% of yourself to Poland. Thank you, I'll be sure to show my appreciation after We've reconquered Poland.

After all, Poland does have a popualtion of 12 million. It was a little lower than that OTL, plus the population boom, minus the Red Rose, gets us the figure of 12 million. Funnily enough, that's also a figure of more than 10X your six digit population.

Have fun!

The Royal Guns (talk) 20:58, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

That was a response to Von, actually. I ought to have posted it on his page. Sorry.

We won't attack you for that, of course. It's just that Poland won that war.

And you.

The Royal Guns (talk) 20:14, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

You home? CourageousLife (talk) 20:27, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Does he know?

And I think I'll buy them. I'll see how it goes. CourageousLife (talk) 21:25, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Mhmm... well, then I should buy them before something happens CourageousLife (talk) 21:34, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Here's a thought - Incas. Haven't posted, sub-European tech standard, big collapsable Empire. What do you think? CourageousLife (talk) 00:51, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

The only problem is distance. Getting ships there wouldn't be easy, and it's relatively far. CourageousLife (talk) 00:54, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

So, hear this. Wait until we capture Colombia, then we have a closer base of operations to launch from. CourageousLife (talk) 01:02, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

What about OTL Spain? They took out the Aztecs and Incas in the space of 5 years from Spain itself! Scandinator (talk) 02:14, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

I'm having internet problems. If I dont post by 12 am Wednesday, you can post for me should *ahem* something go down. CourageousLife (talk) 21:39, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

States of America 5 Reloaded
Hey I'm trying to get the game back up again so join if youre interested

CommanderOfTheFourthReich 01:21, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

We could try all of what you suggested. I think I am confined to the weekends for now, and map games might have to be put of... sadly.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 03:30, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

Same way the Spanish did it.AP (talk) 01:20, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Semantics. They're still tribal.AP (talk) 01:26, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Actually wait. Sine, metagaming as always, just invaded them.

I for one will not stand for it. If his attack checks out(i ruled against it but i have to see what the others say), Venice and I will probably go to war.AP (talk) 01:33, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

US Map
I'm looking for a blank wiki style map of just the United States... sort of like the electoral maps I have for NW, only using the actual United States contours. I can't seem to remember where I got the original for my NW one :P

KingSweden (talk) 02:13, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah that should help with my political map actually.

KingSweden (talk) 02:44, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Nothing is happening for a while. The Huron are located on that peninsula and other areas. While nothing will happen to you right now, something will if you keep commenting on our discussions as per what we wrote at the very top of the page.AP (talk) 03:53, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, you know what it's not my fault that I am a bit edgy. I get a little too sucked into the game sometimes and im sorry for that. I am expanding to Lake Erie but I'm not locking you out of anything. I just want to lead the country into the future and become a world class nation. If I had to guess, it'd be our two nations as the most prominent by the 1900s. AP (talk) 04:22, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

I'm on now, chat? I'm still attached to V and i'm in personal union with P.

My spelling changes to Principia Moderni II (Map Game)
Why did you change all my spelling corrections?

EoGuy (talk) 05:04, January 16, 2013 (UTC)



Pennsylvania and a few other areas. Weren't we going to discuss plans in chat?AP (talk) 03:50, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

I don't know about you, but things are going south in PMII. And I think much of it is due to one of our friendly neighborhood mods (is he even a mod? His name isn't on the list). Did you see the Caspia argument on the talkpage? CourageousLife (talk) 13:57, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Colonies for Sale
The colonies are now up for sale. Additionaly, I'm asking for assistance in recapturing the rebellious southern provinces. CourageousLife (talk) 17:33, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Well, Aragon was never on my plans, so agreed.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 20:05, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

You needn't worry, this plan is post HRE.Andr3w777 (talk) 00:43, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Texas colony
It seems rather interesting, so basicaly you are offering a trade, texas colony for canada?-Lx (leave me a message) 01:30, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Photoshop
If it's not too much, can you try to change Youmu's hair colour to purple, like similar to Patchouli's hair colour please? -Kogasa 2013年1月21日 03:28:51 (JST)

What the hell are you doing? You have no jurisdiction over Bavaria, which is free. You do not touch my nation. The north is ethnic Bavarian, has been for a century or more. I don't understand what I've done but I won't stand for that, it is implausable. No rules have I broken. Leave my nation alone.Andr3w777 (talk) 06:10, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Re: PMII title
Sorry, I was doing it in-character, no offense or indignation intended. ;) Callumthered (talk)

We already fought the war for independence. Brandenburg and Bavaria struck a deal, You would leave me be, and I would fight for the Empire during the war. Which I did. I also sent extra monetary aid to Brandenburg to help recover after the war.Andr3w777 (talk) 18:31, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

I only posted that I wasn't, numerous times. It isn't my fault they should've asked me first. As for the collapse thing, what is it you exactly plan here? I was hoping to war on Bohemia or Austria for land, but naturally didn't want to risk war with the Empire, check scans page, I posted a map of the proposed partitions. Andr3w777 (talk) 18:38, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

I've got nothing against muslims in India and I know it would be muslim dominated if it wasn't for the Brits. And where did you get the thing against Sikhs from? I have said nothing against Sikhs.

In PMII, Orissa is extremist because it was harshly ruled over by muslims and the Raja wants revenge. If you are refering to the post on Enclave's wall as well, I will say that hindus will die too, 20 million minimum.

The thing with my actions are that if you ever get too many muslims in a hindu country, they will rebel, they will probably be suppressed, and a civil war would break out. Now muslims in these cases would be at a disadvantage because there are more hindus. That is what I try to show and y leaders behave the way they do.

On a sidenote, what was your map for MaxSysa? Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:14, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Sounds Great
Sounds Great. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 21:33, January 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Scraw, btw, before I forget, my refusal is mainly because Sweden has troops over in Baltia and Poland. If you could remove them from there..? Fed (talk) 01:03, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Re:SVG
I would hope that it is the same with either a PC or a Mac (I use PC, can't speak for you). I assume you are wanting to download a Wikipedia files, which is really simple to do. Just go to the file, select it (as you would for any file download from Wikipedia). Right-click it, and select "Save Page As". This will be the same as "Save Image As", and all you need to do is select where you want the file to be downloaded to (desktop, etc). The only problem will be that you won't be able to view it with any standard paint program as with PNG, which means you will have to upload a Vector program. I use Inkscape, which is freeware and very easy to use.

I hope this helps. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 01:36, January 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Glad I could help. If you need anything else, I'll be here. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 01:41, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Be careful with categories
Just to let you know, I was in the middle of editing the  when you added a category. That automatically removed all the hard work I was in the middle of, and forcing me to redo it all over again. Please be careful when adding categories, and try and stay away from pages which were just added. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 17:34, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe expand it to Canada.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 21:03, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Hello future emperor of Germany. About Burgundy, I think that they've been too active for us to win enough to be worthwhile. We should instead openly support the Dutch and Flemish revolutions(which will leave Burgundy without a coastline and therefore unable to colonize).AP (talk) 00:58, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

If they (foolishly) try to take their coast back, then we strike since we'll be allied with Holland and Flanders. Knowing Sine, he'll definitely try to do that(IE Medieval world, etc)AP (talk) 01:05, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Oh and about the colonies, I'll supply your Iroquois war through New Norway. Remember that you'll have to recolonize the Canadian peninsula. Exclaves are almost always striken out remember that you can still creeate a second colony(Vinland doesn't count).AP (talk) 01:08, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

AVA Reborn
Thank you for stopping Greece switching sides, I have given them loads of guns, machine guns and a few tanks in 3 posts, which they should copy in there factories and use!The River Nile-2 (talk) 01:16, January 24, 2013 (UTC)/Australia.

Australia requests a RNG be done on an it's entry.The River Nile-2 (talk) 22:06, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Australia note's France's fall and wants a final RNG on New Calidonia joiningAustralia or Vichy France.The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:56, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Michigan
Hm. Our official border for colonization for a while is the Appalachians. Michigan might be too much, your exclave colony would theoretically be another colony. I think you should just get rid of the New York Indians and then go back to Canada and once you have the peninsula, then you can shoot for the rest of the Great Lakes. If anyone went to war with the Ohio indians, it would be me since I have a real border with them.AP (talk) 01:26, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

I think they're a bit too far inland though but by all means. I will be focusing on southern expansion and some to the north. I think we should divide up the regions. Like the Old Northwest for you and the Old Southwest for me since it makes geographical sense.

You could do an updated conference of Berlin to sort out who claims what. CourageousLife (talk) 01:43, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Ah well, it was worth a shot. CourageousLife (talk) 01:53, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think I'm up for territorial concessions. Maybe if it was like two pixels wide or something.AP (talk) 02:07, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Deal but what 2px will i get? XDAP (talk) 02:12, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe something Ohio-related or Newfoundland-related.AP (talk) 02:16, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

do not cross out my algorithms, it wasnt even done. (DeanSims: Talk) 18:08, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

noits not the end of the story, invading Germany as Italy is perfectly fine, and im doing a fair algorithm which ill probably lose, so chill. (DeanSims: Talk) 18:14, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

its not worthless and its not implausible, the union of OTL between Germany and Austria was through threats

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss#Schuschnigg_announces_a_referendum

Re: Soviet Spain
I wouldn't doubt that Spain had a good chance of becoming communist (in fact, there are several timelines and OTL groups that existed ). I would also guess that if it happened in the wake of WWI (a la Russia OTL), then there would be little the world could do. As for any radical Russians leaving the motherland to spread communism sounds about right (they had support in Mexico and Colombia IIRC; even Trotsky was exiled to Mexico). However, I would only add that Franco would not lead this. He was fascist, not communist, and the two go as well together as matter and anti-matter (i.e. no). I would say do some more research, because there should be others more suited to be "Spanish Stalin" here (but I couldn't say). --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 20:53, January 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah! Well then, you should be careful in your wording, because "Bolshevik" practically means communist. So pretty much what you are looking into is just Franco's Spain but with a massive reconstruction program (a la Stalin's USSR or even Hitler's Germany). Am I correct? --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 21:54, January 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay, just making sure. Then I am not too sure why you are needing my advice. Franco was leader OTL, and the only real question would be whether or not he would begin works projects. While I can't speak for him, I wouldn't find it too far fetched for him to buildup Spain, so go for it. I would assume he does not start WWII. I would also add that if he become more "Stalinish", I would be curious as to how he would handle relations with Latin America. Just a thought, since Hitler was pretty imperialistic (can't speak for Franco), it might be funny to see Franco promote an irredentist view towards the Spanish-speaking world (a la Napoleon's early views towards regaining Louisiana and Canada during the Napoleonic Wars). Just a thought. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 22:26, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Oh? My bad. But as I said before, the end result is Franco in power. I am not an expert on him, so I can't give you a total answer. However, from what I know and can pick up, I see no real problem with your idea. It is also noted that the other side of the Russian Civil War (had the Whites one) could have easily become fascist. So no, I don't see any problem with a Russian Revolution-like event happening in Spain, ending with a fascist victory. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 22:58, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Italy accepts the non-agression pact and offers Sweden a secret offer to have Italy join the Allies when the Germans begin to lose steam, wed join the allies now, but wed like to surivive a bit longer. (DeanSims: Talk) 14:12, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Axis vs Allies: Reborn
Australia will decide on joining the Allies in the next turn.The River Nile-2 (talk) 20:10, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Axis vs Allies: Reborn
Australia will decide on joining the allies net turn.The River Nile-2 (talk) 20:08, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Congrats, SS!


Well done, SS - you were voted the best new contributor on this wiki in 2012! Lordganon (talk) 11:11, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

AvARb
Sweden: Pick two. Germany: Also I would like to take out a Danish city. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:24, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hamburg
 * Prague
 * Munich
 * Oslo
 * somewhere in the Baltics
 * Gothenburg
 * Copenhagen.

Agreed. And I hope we can move on from the last dispute.AP (talk) 22:34, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Oops lol. Wasn't thinking. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:39, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

I invite you to join forces with me to invade Germany from the north. Or maybe me from the north, you take from the west. Scandinavia shall destroy Germany. It's just Tyskland, no more than that. We'll divide Germany, and Scandinavia will have more weight in Europe. Maybe we can be superpowers in an ATL Cold War, and have France + Britain as our allies. We will become the biggest nations, stretch down to Austria, Czechoslovakia, Vichy France and border Italy + France. Regards, Laptop_Zombie 03:22, January 28, 2013 (UTC).

I support you, but only if you let me take those duchies they take from me - Schleswig, Holstein, Oldenburg etc. and I want to take Hamburg at least. May be further though, but if we can make Germany our vassals at least, we can have a higher voice. Our brotherly Scandinavian alliance can't break. Right? Also in the future, should we pressure UK and France to side with us. But I think I should form the core of the alliance with you, they are the outer part. Regards, Laptop_Zombie 03:43, January 28, 2013 (UTC).

Also, we should do that earlier, right in 1945, no need to wait. Laptop_Zombie 03:46, January 28, 2013 (UTC).

Can we cooperate in nukes? I'm starting that research now. Regards, Laptop_Zombie 03:48, January 28, 2013 (UTC).

Love the new signature. Can you refresh meon how to archive, I seem to have forgotten.Andr3w777 (talk) 19:16, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

The British player has been away for a long time, ,has done little, and did not pay any attention to Malaya, Brunei, Vanuatu, the Solomon islands, Singapore, North Borneo, Burma, Suva(AKA Fiji) and Sabah. Well, to forestall chaos in the empire’s eastern holdings, Australia asks the governors to switch allegiance to better colonial rule by Australia (if tiny Vanuatu dose not, we can steam roller it. Australia has over the years inserted troops in all the listed places, except Burma). (RNG for each one please). The River Nile-2 (talk) 00:23, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Your new sig
Scraw, I have to say that is legitimately the absolute coolest signature ever.

Please, teach me how to make one.

The Royal Guns (talk) 01:21, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

yes please, when you do, leave a small reference so I'll know how to do it later.Andr3w777 (talk) 03:38, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Normal Font, TNR or Arial.

says ' Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes.'

(I'm not a Trekkie, really, but this was just too good)

color... blue and red?

Thank you very much.

The Royal Guns (talk) 23:35, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Always is a bummer returning from finals. The Royal Guns (talk) 23:46, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Regardless of location, there are certain problems that plague all of us. One of them is finals. Another is the alarming epidemic of boy bands. One we can ignore, and fortunately, it's the boy-bands.

The Royal Guns (talk) 23:58, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Private to the Scandinavian Alliance of Denmark and Sweden (AvARb)
Can we cooperate on nukes? Denmark here.

And fancy official Treaty of Friendship and/or Mutual Defense Agreement?

Regards, Laptop Zombie 09:47, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

I have a reason: Germany have nukes now, they want our strategic location. I need your nukes to protect myself and speed up my own programs. You might want to see Denmark's profile page. Regards, Laptop Zombie 11:16, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

I will join the ILEAN. Regards, Laptop Zombie 09:16, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Exploration in AWoD
Portugal would not employ Columbus. They knew how wrong he was, and had a good path to India already.

A discovery around otl is possible, I guess - but a bit later would be more likely, in my opinion. More or less like how they discovered Brazil otl.

Either that, or the English with Cabot.

No way it happens earlier than otl.

Lordganon (talk) 11:49, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Such a PoD would be centuries back - basically negates everything else you have written.

Overall, the period of exploration is pretty time-limited. Events that occurred more or less dictate that it's going to start around the same time as otl.

The article looks reasonable enough, I suppose. That being said, more paragraphs is probably a good idea.

Lordganon (talk) 09:48, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Help
Could you clarify whatb he means and give him the help he needs, since I don't know how to d a algritum.


 * how do i get my edit count for the algorithm on Axis vs Allies, I could use your help please. (DeanSims: Talk) 20:22, January 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * ll ask a mod.The River Nile-2 (talk) 20:43, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you.The River Nile-2 (talk) 20:52, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, I apreciate it (DeanSims: Talk) 23:18, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

If the war is over, who has what? I had wanted a sizable portion of southern Bohemia.Andr3w777 (talk) 00:08, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

ILEAN (AvARb)
Here's the new page. Regards, Laptop Zombie 11:04, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

3 Algarithums  need checking/doing-
http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Axis_vs_Allies:_Reborn_%28Map_Game%29#Northern_War

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Axis_vs_Allies:_Reborn_%28Map_Game%29#Japanese_Inasion_of_Bhutan_and_Nepal

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Axis_vs_Allies:_Reborn_%28Map_Game%29#Japanese.28With_DITO_support.29_Invasion_of_India

Thank youThe River Nile-2 (talk) 23:06, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Decolonialization can start-
The Dominion of Ceylon and the Federation of Burma became independent in 1948. Aruchal Pradesh became part of India in 1950 (Wikipedia). Malaya, Guinea and Ghana go next in the mid 1950's. The River Nile-2 (talk) 22:27, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * 1) Philippines 1946. Now an American state.
 * 2) Newfoundland (nominally an independent dominion but under direct British rule since 1934) (1949, union with Canada); The UK's player has done it now.
 * 3) Libya 1951, but Italy was not ATL defeated in  North Africa by it's enemies as in OTL and still holds it.
 * 4) Anglo-Egyptian Sudan 1955
 * 5) Protectorate of Morocco France & Spain 1956.
 * 6) Ghana 1957.
 * 7) British Malaya 1957 (the Kingdom of Sarawak and North Borneo joined Malaysia a in about 1962-64)
 * 8) French Guinea 1958.
 * 9) Surinam 1959
 * 10) Source- Wikipedia.

TNT
Hey, just wondering if the Regentech wanted to be pre-existing allies with the Ie'o in TNT CourageousLife (talk) 00:03, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

I asked Imp too, so maybe we could be some kind of League of Empires? CourageousLife (talk) 00:08, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Just think about it. CourageousLife (talk) 00:13, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Germany is more powerful than you Scraw, and I honestly don't care about the status quo. Your keeping your conquests, so I am too. Got a problem with it, talk to Germany. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 00:28, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Please tell me you're retconning the Ethiopian research on nuclear weapons. If that happens, it'll be another Turkey-Zaire-every other nation ever fiasco again. As much as he doesn't want to admit it, Ethiopia does not have a "great economy" and it sure as hell doesn't have the tech or money to do something like that. Ever.AP (talk) 02:07, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Germany was.just nuked 3 times last turn, how does a nation that was nuked so easily invsde another country when.in ruins internaly, and yhere crazy dictator bonus is no longer valid. (DeanSims: Talk) 02:09, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

It's time for us to destroy the Third Reich. Nuke 'em. Also, I suppose you shall do the algorimth in your sandbox first, if we're really to win let's just go.

Also Italy & its vassals are trying to join the ILEAN. Accept or not? I suppose yes if they support us in the Invasion of Germany. Regards, Laptop Zombie 10:58, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

I have just created Nuclear Powers (Axis vs Allies: Reborn Map Game). Please help me fill that. You're a mod, anyway. Regards, Laptop Zombie 12:47, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

i added all my regions/mini republics to the algorithms to match ethiopias plans, and have ultimatley crushed them. Also I ve halted the German advacne easily adn cant wait to help you destroy Germany if you want too. (DeanSims: Talk) 19:59, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

okey dokey, whatever you say, also will you support me on adding all my little commonwealths on the algorithms? I mean why not if Ethiopias doing it. (DeanSims: Talk) 20:05, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

and how did you get a signature like that, its freaking epic!? (DeanSims: Talk) 20:26, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

are you serious???? that would be awesome! Could you do like a Narnia sword thing, or possible a taco? and one question, why did my score get lower on the German invasion, im glad of the result, and was wondering what I can do with Ethiopia since ive crushed them in both algorithms. (DeanSims: Talk) 20:30, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

actualy, surprise me with my signature, itll look great any way you make it! (DeanSims: Talk) 20:33, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

a lightsaber sounds great! also that makes sense, so ok. And with your algorithm I will make Bosnia, Croatia, and Slovenia into new Republics. which will still be Italian clients, but they will control there own internal affairs fully. (DeanSims: Talk) 20:36, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Scraw, it's... wonderful

Thank you indeed.

            "Very funny, Scotty.   Now beam down my clothes."  21:10, January 31, 2013 (UTC) Well, I would have preferred something less country specific, but it's good.

            "Very funny, Scotty.   Now beam down my clothes."  21:16, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe something like this, which I have recently decided is the coolest flag ever made =D

           <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#0000ff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FFffff" face="Arial">"Very funny, Scotty.   <font color="#000000" face="Arial" title="Bvlog">Now beam down my clothes."  21:17, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you once more. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#000000 50%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#000000 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#FF0000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">           <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#0000ff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FFffff" face="Arial">"Very funny, Scotty.   <font color="#000000" face="Arial" title="Bvlog">Now beam down my clothes."  21:21, January 31, 2013 (UTC) could you possibly use this for my signature? (DeanSims: Talk) 21:23, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

sweet, thanks dude, i found it on google then on this wiki, its a sweet mix of two cool designs! (DeanSims: Talk) 21:27, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Scraw
I do apologizes, I have had that happened to me once or twice; It is hard to know if someone is working in their page or not. Also congats on your Stirling Award.Iwaschris (talk) 02:28, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Question, weren't you forming an Anglo-German Union? Since we're expanding foreign influence i thought the British isles would be a good place to start.AP (talk) 08:19, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

AvARb
Sweden, please vote on Italian membership of ILEAN.

Also, I renewed my Minister of Foreign Affairs. No more invasion.

And I received the Faroes, Greenland and Iceland back from the UK. I'm more compaltible to you now.

Regards, Laptop Zombie 13:50, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Japan attacked Afghanistan with out an Algarithum on the talk page and is planning to whipe out Germany. Australia,Canada and S. Africa are concerned it will be suicidal, and if he has not go Afghanistan, it's impossible.The River Nile-2 (talk) 22:29, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:14, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Personally, I didn't want to get involved in a war with Germany, especially after all the help they provided to Ethiopia during WWII. As for the flag, thank you, I've been using it for a conworld nation I've been working on for the last year. Even got its own wiki. :P Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:20, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Well you really can't. Troops have to be approved by nations, and they were not. I suggest just increasing your influence in the weaker English states like Kent or Wessex like I am in Scotland. But I warn you now that the mods are making Wales very powerful(they annexed Mercia and i think the rest of southwest England).AP (talk) 02:31, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah. As soon as Scotland joins my UK peacefully, we can do that. I shouldn't take too long, their land is in chaos. I would at least like Northumbria and a little west and south. I'll support the destruction of Wales too. After that(I'm talkin years) we can go after Ireland.

Dear Sweden, I want to generate an Australian - Canadian - Danish - Italian - Swedish alliance to pull down Germany ca. 1949. Please help. Anyway, it's certainly ILEAN + Australia + Canada. Regards, Laptop Zombie 14:50, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Id love to join ILEAN (DeanSims: Talk) 02:04, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Are you helping this alliance? We've only got several OTL days before the end of the ATL decade. We must act quickly. Regards, Laptop Zombie 03:12, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

So there will be democracy everywhere. No more dictatorship. No more imperialism. No more Fascism. Regards, Laptop Zombie 04:08, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Map
Please add Denmark to the map. Note I've controlled Greenland and the Faroes since 1946, also Iceland has been my vassal state since 1946 when they were all ceded back to Denmark from the UK. Regards, Laptop Zombie 04:11, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

But I'm controlling the Faroes and Greenland. If you can't have a lighter shade, just use the same color for Iceland. Back in 1946, Britain ceded. Regards, Laptop Zombie 04:49, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Fixed.The River Nile-2 (talk) 14:14, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

PS African decolonialisation occered in 1960-62, so why did AP grey Tanzanear, Ziear and Gabon and not even add a mod event freeing them.The River Nile-2 (talk) 14:14, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

I've just pulled out of W. Indonisia and Banda Ache after a ATL rebellion like the OTL Dutch had in 1948-49. It will create 2 grey states for new players and will make an interesting event for the game! The River Nile-2 (talk) 15:21, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

''Note- Banda Ache and West Indonesia will become grey states open to a new player. Australia will have free trade deals with them and a military base in the capitals to prevent a takeover by others player states unless the mods kick the Aussies out or new players take the nations over, making the Aussie troopers obsolete. PS, I cant cheet fate, alter the basic psyche of Indonesian brains or see the map get cloured and/or boring in to soon.''The River Nile-2 (talk) 15:21, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

RNG reqired on militery activity in Myamar/Burma and New Zealand/Australin political treatys.The River Nile-2 (talk) 22:48, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

1914 British Fire
Would you like to Join? Wavy? What now, its so bouncy (talk) 19:35, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Aragon PMII
I'd be glad to help out a faithful ally. However. I'm not exactly sure how I can help. Do you want military support? Or diplomatic support? Callumthered (talk)

AvARb
Please do the algorimth for the Dutch Revolt. Regards, Laptop Zombie 12:56, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

We have a new user on the game, Chao101 (talk), and he wishes to have a talk with some of us on how one dose a map game.The River Nile-2 (talk) 00:17, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

I would love to have you join my new map game, please tell others. http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/The_Rebellion_(Map_Game) DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

concerning your edit on Avaro Reborn, i didnt replace your edit, i just had all te cahnce done already and you edit blcked me, so it ought if i undid it it might show up. Also Tunisa ends up with 26, could you aid in the invasion please well give your free oil for 50 years. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 00:55, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Are we adopting a multiple recent wars deduction for the algorithm in AvAReb?AP (talk) 04:59, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

AvAReb: Is Canada not allowed to have a land claim in Antarctica?
Just wondering why my map revision regarding the claim of OTL Ross Dependency was Undone? I can understand if i was not accepted into the Antarctic treaty conference. Just wondering.

OreoToast555 05:48, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Some New Things...
I am back again! But anyway... Regards,
 * 1) Do you think we should try to start up Battle for Earth again? Seems a shame to let all our efforts in that fail. Dravimos forever!
 * 2) Do you play Victoria 2 by any chance? I downloaded it, but there is an error that is preventing me from playing it.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 16:53, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

What is the name of this battle for earth game, and are the Dravimos present?

And with regards to Victoria 2, do you know anyone I could ask?

Thanks,

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 16:58, February 10, 2013 (UTC) Monster Pumpkin (talk) 17:01, February 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep, got it.
 * 1) Thanks.

Re:Sevastopol
Sorry? What are you talking about? --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 04:13, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Why don't you Google it? If it's a skyline you are looking for, I don't believe Sevastopol is a major city, but more of a port. So it wouldn't be like Moscow or New York City (in comparison). --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 04:38, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I couldn't help out. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 04:42, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, were deciding on war with Geramnys PUPPETS on the conference page, we need your vote please, http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/DITO_(Axis_vs_Allies:_Reborn_Map_Game)#Conferences

Thanks

DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

Aid
Scraw, I could use your help in the algorithm against the Palatinate, I only need a few points to come out on top, your aid would be much appreciated.Andr3w777 (talk) 19:55, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Help with my althistory...
Since you are very good at these things, I have come to you for advice. Would it be realistic for America to take Rio Grande and Chihuahua from Mexico if America was more militaristic? Just wondering.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 23:03, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

AvA Reborn
The Netherlands and the USSR were inactive for a long time and should be grayed on the map.The River Nile-2 (talk) 00:57, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Since the United States is being aggressive, maybe we could bury the hatchet, and have the Axis Powers and the Nordic Union briefly team up to fight the U.S.? Stewdio333 (talk) 19:46, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

I'd love to. The difficult part is that they (implausibly, a mon avis) acquired nuclear weapons, meaning invasion = no more Stolkholm, no more Buenos Aires. what I don't want is the game to end because of a nuclear war. We could weaken them by having their colonies declare independence(that would have happened anyway, the time is now).AP (talk) 04:38, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Woo hoo! Nordic Union vs. Axis Powers vs. US. Which side should we destroy first? I think we should destroy the Axis Powers first, and then cope with the US later. Regards, Laptop Zombie 04:43, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Exactly what I thought before Stewdio said. Regards, Laptop Zombie 05:20, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Congress of Vienna
My map game, Congress of Vienna (Map Game) was added to the category ASB Map Games some time in the past. Do you know who added it to that category? Do you know why? Please tell me. Regards, Laptop Zombie 05:46, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Who caused an edit conflict for you? Me? Regards, Laptop Zombie 08:22, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Also, I have to say this to you first. Iceland is a fully independent nation (except for being in personal union with Denmark, which have nothing to do with powers and politics) so there would be no reason for a fight against Denmark. Don't tell me you have Iceland revolted because of decolonization. No. Regards, Laptop Zombie 08:27, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

PMII Crushing Of Burgundy
Hi Scraw! If I join the war on your side, can I obtain the Burgundian colonies in northern Atlantia? Airlinesguy (talk) 23:30, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Let me email you about that. CourageousLife (talk) 23:12, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

AVArb- AU
I did not mean Viaporiuse's idea was good or bad, just that he expressed it well enough and he need not be concerned over  his 'Its a bit complicated to explain, and I'm not the best speaker.' thing.The River Nile-2 (talk)

Re: PNG to SVG
Greetings. I am sorry to say that (as far to my knowledge) there is no such program that can do that. This is because vector files have "layers" (so to speak). Unlike a PNG file (which once you save it you can't easily change it), all the info on a vector file can be changed. Just as an example, I can easily download the flag of the USSR from Wikipedia, and change it to a green background without a paint program.

The fact of the matter is, all the flags that I have made were done so from scratch. So again, there is no program (but with my luck, there would be one that I have not known about all this time).

I do hope you are not getting the wrong message from what I have been doing on the site, lately. I have nothing against non-vector flags and such, my main problem is with duplicate files on this site. Since vector is the standard on Wikipedia, all the remaining flags are thereby duplicates. If you wish to upload your own work in PNG, there would be nothing wrong with that. I certainly hope I have not intimidated you into this.

As for Inkscape, I am sorry to hear that. Does your computer have enough space, do you use a recent version of Windows (which is what I have). All I can say is try downloading it again. If this continues, let me know. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 04:41, February 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh? Nukie likes New York. XP


 * Well, glad to hear (been fearing I have been getting on people's nerves about this). Well, I hope you figure it out. Again, come to me any time. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 05:06, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. TTFN. ^_^ --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 05:51, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Hey man! Dya want to do on chat? Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:37, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Great :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:41, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Well mate, here what I'm going on about.

So you will get two positions!! :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:54, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Crushing Of Burgundy
OK, you can add me to the algorithm :) Airlinesguy (talk) 02:00, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Waiting on live chat whenever you're ready. CourageousLife (talk) 22:00, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Your Sig
Much as it looks nice SS, it's just too big. It takes up more room on editing pages than most posts do - just too much. Could you please tone it down a bit? Lordganon (talk) 05:01, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Much obliged. Lordganon (talk) 05:42, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Axis_vs_Allies:_The_Last_Round_(Map_Game)

join us, we have tacos

DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

Well scraw, just make a template out of your sig, saves the hassle.

Well, go on chat. We have just started an alliance and I do not want to ruin it. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:28, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

ASB-DIseases?
Hey Scraw, I see that you put my timeline under ASB. THe disease wasnt out of control, it eventually got contained. The Timeline will not be much about the Disease Anyways, that was just thinning the pop. a little 7% more in Europe. Theoldbabyisawesomer (talk) 01:29, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Could you tell me how to create my sandbox? I really need some in the near future. Regards, Laptop Zombie 09:27, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

So after seeing the other mods' opinions, I agree with them. Mysore is under your influence and is effectively your vassal, but not really. This means that you don't control them yet. I would say that around 1627 or 1630 you would control enough of its economy for you to make it a vassal. I'm not too sure about how big Mysore is but if it's small, then you can make it a vassal by 1624-5. If it's large then you must wait until 1630.AP (talk) 18:47, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you very much, Scraw. Your corrections in my Myomi Republic page was really helping for non-English speaker like me who still have difficulty to write correct English grammer :) FirstStooge (talk) 03:21, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

PMII
Hi Scraw! I've seen you've all but blocked me off in Borneo and I also remember that you once posted that you would buy anyone's colonies, so I was wondering if you would buy my Borneo colony in exchange for a Balearic island,possibly Minorca. This is up for discussion. Thanks, Airlinesguy (talk) 07:19, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Mate, you had a 600 edit lead on me when I returned from my wiki break. I've cut that down to 170! :P

I would not want to invade Rajputana - because they are my best ally on the subcontinent. Its like me requesting your assistance in invading Baravia. I would like to keep them as my ally, and on the flip side, we really would not win by much :P

BTW, I've drafted all my nations sending me aid, but this means you will have to use every one of your nations when you help me in my invasion of either Khandesh or Bengal. I wonder if AP knows he cannot vassalise Bengal because it is too far away? I wonder how much more am I going to have to corrupt the Dutch Royal Family. And do not say I can't do it, cause I equal you on the industrialisation thingy!! :P

So... :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:27, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Scraw! Airlinesguy (talk) 11:32, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

I would have done it for you, and told Viva you are not a mod... :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 07:52, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I struggle to post for myself let alone you too. I simply lack interest now to be more deadicated. But the Viva thing I can do. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 18:48, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Wow, just wow. The thing on Viva's wall was a joke. Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:43, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Meet me on chat.AP (talk) 03:05, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

And I agree. AP (talk) 03:13, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

Ok mate. Well as I see you are bored, can I edit your turn? :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:32, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

You invade Prussia. Brandenburg hasn't expanded in an age so... You will win - I promise you that. I'll give it 4 or 5 years. You up for it? Now I know you want the no war in heartland thing, but this is before the 1700s and it will give you 50 years anyway. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:51, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure about the second point. And anyway, you will have 30 years in total to go to as many wars as you want to take them over (in no way will it be over 3). So, shall we... Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:42, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Alright!! :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:07, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Well, me posting would complicate things. Would you be able to post "the Emperor eyes Prussia to add to its domains, a country who he believes should have been part of his nation decades ago. He orders the invasion of the nation, to take it over and add it to his domains. Aid is asked from all its allies. Mysore and Bone quickly send a few troops, and Luxemburg contributes" please? You will win anyway. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:19, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Hahaha, I know. You interested in Lithuania afterwards? ;)  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:33, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

You mean Prussia (not Poland) right? ;)

Aren't you in a union with Austria or something? Well, I would say try to gain control of Austrian government (personal union is your best option). After this, go for Bohemia - but do so in a coalition with Baravia. Add your gains to Austria and Brandenburg.

Don't rush into it, but get your plans set up with Baravia soon enough. And be kind with the Netherlands. I might not have the capibility now, but in the 1750s I will and I'll come knocking on its doors to puppetise. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:51, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Same king, and refuses to colour it in as a state in personal union with you? Why, do tell me... Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:55, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Then you edit the map yourself and fix the mistakes :P Well, what do you have in mind? I kinda have a rough idea of what the world should look like, yet I would like to find out what people's opinion's are. The funny thing is, I started this TL before you came to althistory, yet I only have 3 pages to it... :L Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:13, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

I also think Collie mind not mind that much if you let Argon break away. Tbh, they are not doing much for your nation, and Austria would be a better bet methinks. All up to you though. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:16, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry but Aargon to Luxembourg won't happen. Way to many states in between. Tbh, your empire would become like the Hansburg one in OTL :P

I also think you should talk to Cal and tell him to make all his states into one nation - much more powerful (less divided). Then, go into a personal union with him. Support him, let him supprot you. It will make your job of connecting up to Luxemburg much easier.

About Russia, well I want Finland-Karelia as one. Baltics also as one. Yet I might have an expanded Aleyska as part of the Russian Fed (with a monarch of course). :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:34, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Well, thanks for reading my mind CourageousLife (talk) 18:05, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

First, you need more people "a market for that resource". Then you need a middle class. This will get you a leg up over the other nations. I'm not sure if I would get involved in that war against the big V. You know what? I was actually thinking of suggesting to you to change your name to the Empire of Brandenburg and Prussia.

Well, if China does industrialise first, I will be next (as the only nation majorly in the race for industrialisation) :P

Well, I do think the Russian idea is not bad, but I think I might have a bit of Kamchatka be a part of Japan, as well as Sahaklin. So yeah. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:06, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to invite you gentlemen to the talk page for a little chat. CourageousLife (talk) 18:17, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

So sorry sir, I meant the chat room. My most humble apologies. CourageousLife (talk) 18:23, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

wazzup asshole!George W. Bush the third (talk) 20:08, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Re: GWBIII
No need to worry. I hate bullies, especially ones who go out of their way to get on your nerves; so I know how you feel. Glad I could help. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 02:28, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

PM II
Hey, it's me, Taco. I saw that you were going to invade Prussia. If you wanted, could we invade it togther (Poland)? I need Prussia if I am to have a coastline at all. I'm cool if you don't want to, it is just going to be diificult for me. TacoCopper (talk)

Ok, thanks! TacoCopper (talk)

Sorry for responding so late. I had to go take of some stuff, and you are offline now. Next time we are both online, I'll set up a private chat room that we can discuss things in. TacoCopper (talk)

Tell me if this works: PM II room.

If doesn't work, I'll try a different website. TacoCopper (talk)

Re: Callum PMII
The United Monarchy of Saxony-Hesse is the first step in uniting all the Wettin Lands. I am planning on annexing Magdeburg soon, and then absorbing Anhalt (whilst letting the Prince have some autonomy).

Secret war plans, you say? I'm listening. Callumthered (talk) 06:13, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Where do you suggest. I have Skype, e-mail, FB and MSN. Scandinator (talk) 08:36, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Throw me a line on Skype. My username is the same as here :D Scandinator (talk) 22:35, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

U.S.A and C.S.A
Hello, Scraw, it's me FirstStooge. I planned to write further about my ATL United States, but recently my knowledge about American history is very limited. Can I ask you some questions:

1) Is any possibility to get the Confederacy an independence, such as get Lincoln shot earlier but I doesn't kill him and left him suffered a stroke throughout his later years or you have any other ideas?

2) If yes, would that have any effect for the United States during the World War II?

3) Is any possibility to have Newfoundland and Cascadia region of British Columbia being included into the United States?

Thank you :) FirstStooge (talk) 12:04, March 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * I see. I think it will going be very difficult for me to write my ATL United States. BTW, thanks for your advices :) FirstStooge (talk) 01:30, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Scraw, ive started a new game and ALL world powers and MOD SLOUGHTS are open, im not going to be a mod and im playing as Spain, so Im just a average player, please be Head Mod and take whatever nation you like. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

Germany is open for you to take. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 19:24, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, my bad, thank you for being Head Mod though, that is apreciated BIG TIME, i was hoping more people would play the game if i ad a average nation and wasnt a mod. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 19:28, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

map game
interested in joining the map game im trying to start? its troubling times begin. its based on the joanne pod of my tl. nkbeeching

Night of the Living Alternate History
I invite you to participate in the Night of the Living Alternate History. There are many nations still available, and we should be starting soon. Mscoree (talk) 17:23, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Hindustani Raj
Would you like to help me flesh it out? If you decide to do so, you can create pages. I will have the power to change them to fit into canon if some parts are not canon. What dya say?

And why were you creating all those mock algos? We are allies. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:46, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, I thought you had that TL pretty fleshed out. Cause when I went over it, it seemed like almost kinda finished. But sure (as long as I find something that I can do).

I'd argue that little fact. I don't know that the water under the bridge thingy means but ok. :P Are you going to go into a personal union with Saxony soon? Cause it would be beneficial to your plan to link up Luxemboug with the rest of Brandenburg, it would make the distance shorter.

BTW, I see you are getting ready to invade Prussia again. If I were you, you might want to try and get Bavaria into negociations about giving them the remainder of Prussia in return for like half of Bohemia cause then you'd manage to link up Austria and Brandenbug. And sorry for your loss (of Aragon).

And do you have a member of the Royal Family to spare, cause my Raja needs a bride and I don't think I can get him to marry any of the remaining kingdoms in the area to increase my power. :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 00:11, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, then again a white guy ruling Orissa might be kinda wrong. ;) And German Catholicism is just a different form of protestantism. :P

I get where you are coming from with the Courland/Prussia thing. Makes sense, although have you Germanised Courland? Oh, I see. Well, Collie jumped on the bandwagon and invaded it the next turn. :P

So a good TL is never finished. Hmm, might have to keep that one in mind. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 00:24, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

Roosevelt-LaFollete ticket for 1912 election
Scraw, it's me again.

Currently, I writing about the Roosevelt Presidency for my ATL United States with Roosevelt being re-elected for third non-consecutive term into the office. I have a brainstorm to make Senator Robert M. LaFollete, Sr. for being his Vice-President. I know LaFollete is a vocal opponent of American entry to World War I while Teddy is being a such the opposite and even more agressive toward the Central Powers if he was on the office in 1913-1917. But, any possibility for such thing happened and what's the effect in U.S participation in the WWI if LaFollete as Roosevelt's Vice-President.

Thank you FirstStooge (talk) 06:33, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

If I can make Mexico as a part of Central Powers and attack the U.S from the south, will the U.S.A enter the war? FirstStooge (talk) 02:01, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, last question: Is that possible for Mexico become German's ally again and join the Axis in the WW II if it was joined the Central Powers in the WW I? FirstStooge (talk) 02:14, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, thank you very much, Scraw. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year :) FirstStooge (talk) 02:38, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

New Map Games?
So, with my renewed interest in this wiki, I was thinking we could get some new map games up and running again. I was thinking Viva la Revolution or TEvsCP, but there are other ideas.

Sorry if I keep bothering you with things like this, but let me know what you think.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 22:51, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Such as?

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 00:06, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Hey wanna start on that whole German league stuff? Also, things are getting a bit dull, wanna invade someone with me? Idk who, but something needs to happen.

This is me again. Not the stuff above me.

So I was thinking that we could start up the TEvs.CP page, and then start it when we are ready. We need to sort out everything first.

Also, how do you create a subsection of a page? You know, like a sandbox? How do you do that?

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 19:30, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. We still need to work out the new rules of the game.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 23:04, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Scraw, are you using Chrome or some browser other than IE8? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:32, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Kinda thought so. I switched over to Chrome recently (much better in my opinion), and finally saw what you were going for with your sig. In IE8, it looked awful, literally like a shell with the Regentech flag on the side. But in Chrome, it was actually a lightsaber the whole time. Nice work. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:41, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Posting for me?
Hey Scraw, I'm on holidays for a few days, operating off my iPad. Because the PMII page is so long the device actually can't load the whole thing so I can edit it, so, would you mind either posting for me for the next day or two or informing people that I am unable to post? I just don't want my nation to fall into disarray because I didn't post. Thanks, Callumthered (talk) 10:30, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Moon uploads
I am just giving you a heads up, that if you are going to be uploading images from Wikipedia, it is highly recommended that you upload them under the same file name as on Wikipedia. You should only be adding the timeline in the name when it is distinctive to that particular timeline. Since those images of Phobos and Deimos are not distinctive to your timeline, please use the correct file name. Thank you. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 03:16, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

MaxSys Map
So I posted my own version of the new world map on the talk page as far as I know. Let me know what you think.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 17:46, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Scraw, could you add me to the Algorythm, i've been trying to get added but everyone just ignores me, so ... please ? Sine dei gloriem (talk) 03:29, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Japanese Flag
From what I can make out, your flag was a duplicate of the (with the obvious exception of the shade of red). In reality, the use of "standard red" (as your flag uses) is not used in Japan &mdash; rather it is a simple color to used for the early years of computers.

If you truly wish to continue using a flag with that specific shade of red, than I have no problem with that. However, I am really upset that you went ahead and re-uploaded it behind my back. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 00:45, April 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Why have you reverted my edit to Central News Network (You Are Here)? That wasn't even your flag? --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 00:50, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

I am sorry that I have upset you with this. However, going ahead and re-uploading the file and reverting my cleaning was a bad move to do. I would've reverted my edits had you simply asked. I am still highly upset about this. You can trust me, I wouldn't ignore you (can't lie, was tempted to say "I'm the Doctor"). Since you have pretty much done my work all for yourself, I guess the situation is resolved. Just please try not to go overboard again. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 01:09, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Ometlacatl (Neu Prussen, whatever...)
I'll sell it to you, the requirements are on the page. If you give me a year, though, I can take the rest of the island, and then sell it to you, so you don't have to. CourageousLife (talk) 23:07, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Scraw, I'm getting tired of this. Why cannot you admit that your vassalisation of Carnatic was not allowed and therefore you cannot have vassalised it? You have recieved tons of territory from Scandinavia anyway.

Oh, and if I was you I would try to make Sweden and Norway into one nation. Its only the 1670s, so if you make them into one nation and let the German language (with a few alternations) take hold all over your main nation, by the modern day I would be pretty certain they would be a part of Germany. :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:38, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

I can't find it, where? And only AP said anything about vassalising them, but if he had known the px count, then he would have disagreed too. And you agreed to let me have Carnatic. Map here shows it.

Really? Was that actually your plan? Wow! So, if youdon't mind, I have a slight advice with Poland too. Seeing as how you are now controling them as they are a vassal, I would recommend you nick some land off them and add it to Germany. I'll give you a map of what I am talking about if you want to know what I'm talking about. :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:53, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. No problems there anymore.

Ah. That's a good idea, although I have a couple points to make. In all fairness, I think having the whole of Poland join Germany is kinda bad (as it doesn't really look good on a map, lol) as they are Slavic. Have half of it would give you a change to let their Western population assimilate into the Germans, but the whole of it might be a problem.

Here is a map to show what I meant. So you get Western Poland while you let the other half remain a vassal. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:11, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Yay! Btw, You really need to take out those puny states before somone like Bavaria or France does. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:30, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Haha, I know how you feel. Ooh, a plan. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:10, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

'''Bavaria requests that it purchase a part, or be given a part of the Denmark peninsula as we did contribute to the war from the begining yet recieved nothing for our efforts. We want access to the sea.Andr3w777 (talk) 18:13, April 20, 2013 (UTC)'''

I left you an offer under your post, if you're interested CourageousLife (talk) 19:42, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

A Modest Proposal
I will be really busy soon. I know that you have plans for Europe (i.e wanting to control all of it) I am not naive I know you'll declare war on me in the future. However, I ask these plans be put on hold for I have a proposition. As I do not know how long I can contribute to the wiki in the coming months, I may have to temperarily retire until midsummer. If I do, I will give my nations control over to you. This is only because I'm not sure how long I can stay for this moment. I have several stipulations though.

1.Bavaria must remain whole, no annexing. It can be a vassal, or in dynastic union, but no splitting up of the Empire.

2. Most remain the centre of the arts for Europe.

3. If I decide to return in the future, that I be allowed to take control of it once more if I so choose I may decide to use a different nation, I'm not sure.

This is a tentative list as I am not sure whether I am leaving the wiki or not. One thing I do know is that I will return. You've been a good ally, and a good enemy at times too. Its a shame I may have to leave, but I wish you the best of luck.Andr3w777 (talk) 18:34, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

Koori Union (PMII)
Hey buddy i have put up a diplomacy offer to you this turn. I hope you will accept. Hailstormer (talk) 20:35, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

Initium Novum
Hey, Scraw, Cour and I were thinking about starting a new map game.

Basically, same map of Earth, same terrain. The mods- 5-6 of us- create a bunch of NPCs, across the globe, an algorithm, and a rules page.

Following this, we open the game. players create their nation, listing the name, and general area on the map (the mods will then edit the map to show all nations, and it is they who will decide the population, and other features). After we have, say, 20-30 players, we start the game.

Right now, we're just trying to figure out the mod list.

Interested?

Dude, please meet me on the chat:

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Chat

I'm licensed to chill 19:16, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

... This game is supposed to be absolutely plausible (minus the fact that we're pulling nations out of our hats). We need an algorithm.

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Lorraine and Luxembourg - Confederation.
seing the events on PMII,Do you think we should move against them to retake our territories,Because i'm sure,the netherlands,and Bavaria would easily join if we do. this would be a first step for you to rule central germany. Sine dei gloriem (talk) 20:03, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

My First Ebook
Figured you'd want to be one of the first to know as a longtime loyal follower of my TL, but I published an ebook on Amazon Kindle. If you have a tablet, I'm positive you can download it and its only 2.99:

http://www.amazon.com/Forbidden-League-Planets-Adventure-ebook/dp/B00CKH4FAM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1367592123&sr=8-1&keywords=the+forbidden+army

KingSweden (talk) 02:30, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

Could you come on chat when you are next online please? I have something i wish to discuss. Hailstormer (talk) 18:48, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

you can annex all of eastern anatolia if you want DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 20:14, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Scraw. If you let me take the Koori mainland then you can Italian support your next war and a bit more of Western Anatolia. Scandinator (talk) 04:54, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Prussia (PMII)
I want your help in conquering Prussia. I'm pretty sure Germany is big enough to give the territory to Lithuania. It'd really help our nations get closer. Yank 18:22, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

ok, so i see Scans blocking my attempts to become your vassal, could you invade Lakota and take some land, and i noticed a clause in the algorithm thhat''' In cases of civil wars, other wars where both factions are controlled by the same player, o r in an instance where the players controlling the lead nations agree to a fixed outcome, algorithms do not have to be used. '''So i was thinking since you want Lakota as a vassal and i want your protection and modern tech, why dont you invade Lakota and force us to be your vassal? Ill agree that i lose and become your vassal DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 11:34, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Luexmburgish rights
Such a proposal is perfectly with Luxemburg's current rights, and such a proposal would not be seen unfavourably by the Confederation. Perhaps, if such a proposal were to go ahead, Saxony might be able to achieve a contigious seaport?Callumthered (talk) 21:57, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

thank you :3 DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 11:28, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Srcaw Do u want to join Entente vs. Central Powers (Map Game)  Warman555

Why thank you. Always nice to know I'm not alone on that matter. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 19:52, May 25, 2013 (UTC)

That new BFE...
I'm sure you are probably busy with PMII, but if you've noticed, Crimson Assassin is trying to get another Battle For Earth game together. I don't know if you want to play another game, but if you do and we get all of the original players together (Me, you, Crim, and Pita), we might be able to make a game that actually works, similar to the Night of the living map game or something.

What do you say?

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 17:54, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. Let's get to it.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 17:57, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Template
Thanks for the template! Looks great. Mscoree (talk) 19:17, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

I'm bored and itching to expand any ideas?
Bavaria is back and wants to grow, care to give me a run down of events and a place we can attack? I'm itching for more land.Andr3w777 (talk) 00:24, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Dang. well what about Prussia?Andr3w777 (talk) 00:30, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

With the combined might of all the Germanies, do you think we could seize France? Perhaps if we get Wales and Venice on our side too? I can commit aid to you in Prussia as long as i gain a new port out of it.Andr3w777 (talk) 00:34, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

would you side? any and all aid would be apprecated.Andr3w777 (talk) 01:18, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Initium Novum
Hello. I was going to be a player in the Initium Novum (Map Game), but when it was evidently losing steam I got permission from Gunsnadglory to become the new head mod for that game. I do not want to see the game disappear, so I was hoping you will stay aboard as a mod. You can see here for what I have started on the rules, and here to see the mod discussion. My goal is to get all the mods who had signed up to join again. That wil give us 5 mods in total, and I'll try to recruit one more person, which is equivalent to the 6 regions and 6 religions of this game.

Please sign up on the talk page, by creating your own nation, and please chose a continent that is not currently picked by any other mod. Thanks, and please stay on board with me! Reximus55 (talk) 18:18, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Scraw would you allow Aquitaine join the French confederation, as a member state, it would only be aiding in French wars against nations that are enemies or not relevant to the German Imperialistic plans, So if you agree, tell copy this message to collie, as i won't still be able to post again until the 10th or 5th of June. Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:48, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Should We Start...?
Should we sort of jump the gun and start the Battle for Earth: Prime timeline even though Crimson isn't currently here? I just don't want to get in trouble with any mods, but I do kinda want to start this thing up.

What do you say?

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 02:34, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

What do you propose for this Greater German Reich?Andr3w777 (talk) 23:17, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Greater German Reich Proposal
How would we use this legislature? Is this a more modern revival of the old HRE? I am curious, because if we do this and get Saxony involved, we will need a way to ensure that all sides operate without getting in the way of the other state. I am personally ok with the idea of getting all us German states back together, maybe we set up a central parliment like that of the EU or the old HRE, that way we all remain independent, but still have obligations like each must support the other in war, no declaring war on members unless they rebel against a ruling of the parliment. Also, we'd need a different color, one that represents all our nations as a whole, perhaps HRE's old yellow. We could name it the Greater German Reich or something. Lets discuss some more, I'm, interested, but want to ensure my country remains sovereign.Andr3w777 (talk) 01:59, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

In the spirit of creating a pure and whole Germany I provisionally accept. If we do this, I would like the ability to have a sitting Bavarian King or Queen at a latter date, so it would be an equal distrobution of power.Andr3w777 (talk) 16:18, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Plausibly and logically, you should pursue German unifaction. I think peace is out of the question, being peaceful sucks and isn't a true reflection of real life. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:04, May 31, 2013 (UTC)

Well stop all your expansions and wars for a bit. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:09, May 31, 2013 (UTC)

so why exactly is PMII listed as an ASB game?Andr3w777 (talk)

Maybe... but tell me why you want it. Airlinesguy (talk) 14:27, May 31, 2013 (UTC)

Okay... I'll draft a map up soon. Airlinesguy (talk) 01:34, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Does this satisfy your needs?



Sorry for the shoddy mapmaking. Airlinesguy (talk) 23:27, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Can I say Scraw if you join this war then we'll win because there only advantage is the really large population which if you join, then we'll have more than 10 million people so they only get a bonus of +10. We beat them on all other fronts. You can gain South Island of New Zealand, India, anything you want as long as it ain't Yemen. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 19:49, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Cool, add them to the algorithm and I'll add in your development scores and stuff. I need Mysore as a coalition leader at least, for this plan to work. If we need more points then you'll need to add more nations in as coalition leaaders. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 19:55, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Sounds great! CrimsonAssassin- "You can't handle this egg roll" 20:14, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, heres the deal, Korea wants control of its own affairs, both domestic and foreign. In return for you ending our puppet status you can have military bases and use our ports freely as well as get trade deals which will profit you greeatly. Now your at war, and while i might not have a huge bonus, i can have my King of Korea declare Korea is free of foreign influence, and the war would give me a +10 motive as it is for my national sovereigny and the war would take place in my heartland. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 16:21, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

Not really. Looks at Von's post, he told you to post in the 1723 post. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:04, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

There ya go! :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:08, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

The Mayans are sending you military supplies. I know it's just a drop in the bucket at this point, but I just wanted to let you know. CourageousLife (talk) 21:29, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Come on chat, so then we can talk? Reximus55 (talk) 23:10, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

PM2 independent mod check
Hello, okay I've completed our algorithm to the best of my ability and hence I am locking it and leaving it to an independent mod check to decide if its correct. Hence there is a new separate discussion in which you are to raise any problems with the algorithm if you find them. No not edit the algorithm and instead put your problems with it in that discussion and we'll reach a consensus on the issue. Hopefully this will stop the arguments. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:00, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

Land Divisions
What lands will Bavaria recieve, We are looking for a decent sized portion, preferably near spices and water.Andr3w777 (talk) 01:05, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

I do beleive that may work.Andr3w777 (talk) 03:34, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Are you still intrested in a united Germany, providing me and saxony gain a large amount of autonomy i may agreeAndr3w777 (talk) 06:09, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry Scraw... Your ally was attacked and you joined the attacking side... If Orissa had been attacking someone and you went to defend then I would understand. Italia will only agree to trade and other economic ties, no military ties or alliances until at least the next generation. Scandinator (talk) 07:14, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Korean Offer
Ok, so you asked for closer relations, and while I will not reunite with you, an alliance and trade deal would be nice. Also Karika is my vassal state, and it would also like a,trade deal and alliance. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 02:34, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

I left you a message in your inbox. Hope to hear from you soon. CourageousLife (talk) 19:00, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

BFE Prime
On the main page all the links have been transferred to the template on the right of the screen. Mscoree (talk) 13:04, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Andrew and I have been in discussions, I believe we're going to reveal our plan/request in-game in a few year's time. Callumthered (talk) 05:12, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Have a talk with the Dutch player, he will defintely join you. I'll help with military aid but I don't wanna be a coalition leader as I have another war I'm leading currently. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 13:16, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

The basic overview is each member nation is to be German only, which your obviously covered. The balance of power is such, each of our states will have 3 seats in the 12 seat Union Council, the other three will be Justicars appointed by election. Each state will have equal right and must defend one another in conflict, there is to be no war between states unless in event of improper succession from the Union. A succession, if wanted, must go before the council, where the issues causing the state in question to leave can be addressed, if no atiqaute solution is present, then the state may not leave, if the state attempts to leave, it will be declared as rogue(similar to the old HRE rules) Every 5 years we will hold a revolving election which will allow each of the three states to have the title of Emperor of the Grand Germanic Realms. Each state must have had at least one sitting emperor before any other state can win extra terms. Example, Bavaria, Brandenburg and Saxony must win one election it will go in order until all have filled a seated term, after that, elections will carry on in a similar cycle. No state with a previous Emperor can vote for themselves again i.e If Bavaria had an emperor, once the term ends, another state must go after, Bavaria(or any other state) cannot hog power. We will have a unified currency, but are militaries will be seperate, each state will act as a country still(Think how EU works and thats the gist) Each state can war outside without need for the others to join, meaning if Brandenburg wants to invade Poland, it can and doesnt need permission to do so. That way each member state retains a high level of autonomy. If you want to add some idea feel free.Andr3w777 (talk) 05:08, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

Of course all states territories, such as my African and Australian colonies, Saxonies colonies and all of our individual territories will still answer to the central government, but more so to their home land. Its only fair that all the states extraeuropean territories still be under the jurisdiction of the individual state. So do we have an accord?Andr3w777 (talk) 05:20, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

actually the Kappelist revolution failed in Bavaria, we are Germanic Church, we've been since the Germanic churches split, as for Saxony perhaps we can convince him to abandon that sinking ship, i mean the Papacy is a puppet on a string now. As for our ports, we can form a Central navy, all our independent navies will provide support for it, The Central Navy will provide security for our shipping and will also help protect our intrests.Andr3w777 (talk) 05:29, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, no problem, it will give me a saxony time to start drafting the constitution and stuff. Out of curiousity, why so late?Andr3w777 (talk) 05:34, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

I will let saxony know of your wishes and it will be taken into account, as your being first would gain us a power boost due to Russia, which i suppose we can extend the offer of joining the Union, as you are its Tsar.Andr3w777 (talk) 05:42, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

Yank is the one we need to ask. Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:40, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

You may overview the page

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Greater_Germanic_Union_(Principia_Moderni_II_map_game)

cheersAndr3w777 (talk) 23:21, June 22, 2013 (UTC)

currency is certainly an option, i opted for mine because both Bavaria and Saxony use the bavarian adler.

Can you please help me out on my JFK survives alt universe, I have made some somewhat interesting stories about this alternate history already, but I would like some extra help. Any new additions to the pages are welcome. --Dave Goode (talk) 06:56, June 23, 2013 (UTC)David Goode

your forgeting the money ive made using my monopoly on banking, my colonies in africa and in indonesia and australia, My countryhas been among the only countries to focus on the financial sector.Andr3w777 (talk) 19:50, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Sindhustan
Imp started his vassalization of Sindhustan two years before you, and it's an open secret that Mysore is nothing more than a German puppet. It isn't hard for them to find out that they would still have German masters, just with Indian middlemen. There's also the fact that, despite their recent defeat, the Orrissans are the most powerful country in the region. You've already got Korea, and there is an entire continent of potential vassals in Africa. Yank 22:14, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Zombies vs zombies
Like English, French, Italian, etc - Zombies

EoGuy (talk) 06:01, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Cinco De Mayo
Hey! Good to hear from you.

On NW, when in doubt, individual pages are right and Alternate Destinies is wrong. I haven't updated that page much the past two years, it's become more Yank's hunting ground (I probably should do more with it though, it did get a Stirling after all). Good catch though.

Thank you, I'm excited to be working on something new. Do you have any ideas? I'm a bit intimidated by the World Wars, to be honest. Here's my thoughts on alliances at the very least:

World War One - Central Powers WWI - Grand Alliance WW2 - Central Powers WW2 - Iron Alliance You'll notice the CSA is not involved in WW2, at least not against the US - I don't want this to devolve into just another generic Confederate victory TL :P
 * Germany
 * Austria
 * Britain
 * United States
 * Ottoman Empire
 * Confederate States
 * France
 * Mexico
 * Russian Empire
 * Spain
 * Italy
 * Germany
 * Austria
 * British Union
 * United States
 * Japan
 * France
 * Italy
 * Spain
 * Russia
 * China

Any ideas are much appreciated. I'm much less of a Nazi about CDM and would love to team with you on it, if you're interested.

KingSweden (talk) 03:46, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm. I suppose. Who would you volunteer to replace Hitler as the head of the German war government?

I follow your logic on the Dominions, though the whole idea behind the British Bloc was to make the Commonwealth and former Empire roughly mimic the Warsaw Pact. Brian Mulroney, for example, is a rough analogue for Poland's Lech Walesa.

KingSweden (talk) 04:28, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

I'll figure someone out. I'm definitely doing Erwin Rommel as Chancellor in the 1950s as an Eisenhower analogue ;)

I might just do Hitler as the head of Austria in the war, since he was born 1889 and so his dad would be alive at the time of WWI.

KingSweden (talk) 05:23, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

States of America: Northern Defeat
Why did you call it ASB, I want to know how to improve it Local (talk)

RE: ASB - Map Games
I could be wrong, but I don't think that is true. A map game can be balanced or not, but they are both map games.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 02:12, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Absence
I left you a message concerning an absence I have coming up. Thanks. CourageousLife (talk) 16:00, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Big PMII Event
okay so next year all of Germany will be at war, in order to defeat this general, we will need all of the Germanies and if you can swing it Russia too, I will see about gettting Italia in on our side, lets crush this fool. As Bavaria is the first nation attacked, If we win, I will gain some of the Confederation, depending on how we do i can offer land as well to you.Andr3w777 (talk) 16:31, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

I'm going away for two days. If anything big happens, feel free to post for me. I'm on Brandenburg and Barvaria's side. Crush him. Email me before you do anything, though. CourageousLife (talk) 19:17, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

REALLLYYYYY!!!!!!!
Come on, what does a guy gotta do to not get **^%ed up around here?????!!!!!, imean SOMEBODY PLESE JUST AT LEAST MAKE Shadow 9 plausible. The guy who posted it said it imean COME ON!!!!! its like blocking me of the game.

Aw $^%(!!!!!!



Please kick Capt Stark, he wants to enslave humanity, killing the game Local (talk)

I've actually played a game with him, he tries to kill humanity, and honestly, he does not understand what 'rules' are Mafia (talk)

Map Contest
The first Map Contest has officially begun. Go to the blog post New Wiki Event to see the propmt and timeline. Good luck! CourageousLife (talk) 01:11, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

I'm officially gone. I thank you for posting for me. Email me if you run into any bumps along the road. CourageousLife (talk) 01:03, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

This is getting spooky....

I think you had a little bit too much fun making the labeled section of your map. xD

You knicked my idea! Oh man. I'm now going to have to do a real unexpected one. And I agree with guns, it does look like you had a little too much fun making your labelled map, lol. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:33, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Lol, I guess so. I wanted a Russia prominent in America, might still happen, lol. But as long as the nation exists when I plan to get Colubus to sail, it'll all be good. Count on a small underdog nation becoming "the world power". :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:45, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

PM II
Get on the private chat, I have some questions of some import to discuss.Andr3w777 (talk) 05:15, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

The Prussia Question
Okay so Prussia has come to me stating that it wants me to side with them in the event of a war of annexation. This poses a problem since under the 2/3 majority rule on the GGU page Prussia is now a protectorate of the GGU. I understand you want those lands so i ask you to explain to me some of your plans and I will make a decision. i want the GGU to actually work, that is to say we can work through any inter-state discord. I cannot eject Prussia without good reason, but am also not willing to lose a good ally. If we could chat in private via email or something i can give you my other plans, it does not involve Prussia but might be quite lucerative if you accept.Andr3w777 (talk) 18:15, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, i want to make an algorithm for States of America: Northern Defeat, but dont really know how, can you help me out?

DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 21:24, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Hellhole? I thought you loved NY.

And imagine a world where it didn't exist. *sigh*