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I forwarded the message to RWG, and look foward to our new alliance working in the future. --"Truth fears no questions..." 04:10, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

1. I have been gone for a while, I have no idea what this Srasimo or whatever group is.

2 I AM NOT A PART OF RUSSIA, we share the same King, but I am entirely independent

3 Wales has been at the forefront of many modern technologies. Do not presume to tell me I mean absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

4. I did not model it after Al Jazeerah, it was only after i named it that I found out its similarity, it was completely a mistake.

5 Do YOU really think you mean that much to others, Yes you have done large and great things, but do you expect the other powers in the world to see you as a great power? This is not a pissing contest, This is ALTERNATE HISTORY, which by its very definition, is different from real events. Of course Wales isn's a world power militarily. I am not going for world power status anymore, I learned sometime ago that my trapped nation could never really compete with the others in that field, so I have focused on becoming an Economic power like OTL Singpore. Military speaking they are a joke, yet economically they are quite powerful.

Do not tell me I have no real power, MONEY IS POWER, and I do have a good bit of that.I agree in hindsite about all of these terrorist attacks, and ill end them. But do not insult me. I started with crap and actually managed to do something with it. It may not be great but it is a hell of a lot better than what was there before.These are not the droids you are looking for. 18:56, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

how'd this religous group get formed? I don't remember their existence? Also when Tsar Alexi became kingo of the Welsh throne, we refused to join the Commonwealth unless we had the assurance that we would be free to leave, in fact all Commonwealth nations have that right. I was actually contemplating a split, this time Wales will become a Constituational Monaarchy again, and will be beholden to no nation, or maybe a Republic? I would very much like our politcal union thing to last. Also if I am politcally Russain because of my Kning, then aren't you as well? I mean you share the same King as all of us now. Also I wasn't mad, just a little taken aback and confused, I am in college now so I can't check up on things every day.These are not the droids you are looking for. 19:36, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, wasn't reading carefully enough. Just do remember the Turkish government did not attack, but by extreme extremist, as supposed to the slightly more liberal government... The world oughta be happy

Idunno. First country that came to mid. I could have also done Russia, or Hungary. Had to be Large and Strong.Saamwiil (talk) 21:22, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

Stop dodging the fundamental question, and actually answer it. Why would two organisation's with exactly the same goal who aren't enemies not collaborate on a project all about collaboration? I cannot come up with any reason why they would not join one another.

As for Antarctica, why does Scandinavia even want it? They have plenty of cold, desolate tundra with nothing in it in. You basically own the North pole jointly with Russia. Antarctica is on the other side of the world to you so why you want it? VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:01, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

ಠ_ಠ Your kidding me right? Let me quote me asking you this and you then answering:


 * Me: "They would have joint operations to do this together. I think we all know well what Wikipedia is about: collaboration. So why you no collaborate?"
 * You: "Why? Largely because you Asian people have a bad habit of being ignorant of other people's claims and actions. And I am willing to do this because this is not related to government, it is common people vs. common people. Let's just see which website gains more followers by 2010. In 2011 we can forget about one of the websites."
 * Me: "How on earth do we judge which website has more followers? Look like you say its people against people, but they have the exact same goal. The only reason they aren't collaborating is because of your bad grudges. Those people founding these wikipedia-type websites don't have these grudges and so would collaborate. "

I asked you that. You had a dig at me, and sort of disagreed then agreed that they would help each other out. They are charitable organisations with the same goal they would help each other out. The only reasoning you gave me there for not collaborating was your grudge against Asian people having a bad habit of being ignorant. You then have the nerve to say "The only reason they aren't collaborating is because of your ultimate refusal to respect me in a such a minuscule aspect" when your the one refusing to collaborate, and I'm annoyed at your grudges being the reason why you're not collaborating.

I'm still confused what your on about when your saying I'm refusing to concede. Concede what? The two sites would join up to achieve their goal together, I am baffled to what your on about when I want the two organisations to be one. I mean you can't compete with stuff like this, you know being a charitable goal and not for profit. The name is not important, they would have different names in different languages anyway, otherwise people who didn't speak the same language wouldn't know what the site was for. Unless we're gonna have a single brand name that is. Which if we're gonna do, I say we come up with a new name so no-one wins. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:58, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah we could do with something which all languages would at least sort of get the jist of, and then more individual translated names for each of the different language sites. Perhaps Globapedia or something? I dunno, I'm not like bi-lingual or anything, so coming up for names for stuff like this isn't my strongest suit. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 23:21, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

BFER
Alright, I'll change it as fast as I can. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 01:01, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

I did see about Neil Armstrong. It's a shame. I was just thinking about how up in age he was the other day. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 01:10, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

'''Hey Scraw. I would like you to know that i am going on indefinite leave from the site. I have too much going on and this site doesnt really help, so a split was definitely happening. I want you to head VLR, of course with its instructions: 1- Callum will control the UK of GB, Ireland,and Germany, 2- No biased events please, goes for all mods. Players will have a say in them if they think they're biased. 3- If there are World Wars, make sure they dont turn into an implausibility fest. 4- If there is no sign of a WWII, make sure that colonies are all given independence by 1950, max 1965. 5- The UK will give Ireland its independence in 1922. 6- The Dominions of the UK are all given full political independence and are included in teh Commonwealth of Nations around the 1930s or whenever it was OTL.(even India, but Callum will decide). 7- Exactly the same with your dominions, they can't be like that forever..feel free to create your own commonwealth system 8- Try to make some sort of Cold War 9- Keep that last one plausible, no Ottoman Empire vs Spain or something like that( basically, try to have new superpowers like France the UK China) 10- Thanks for doing that, if the game dies then oh well. I appreciate your doing this. Do what you want with my nations on other map games. In PMII, you have the support of Aragon in whatever your alliance wants, just know that i have a pre-existing agreement with the Castille player to unite on the first turn. That is really the only country i wish to maintain, in case in come back (since PM has a history of actually finishing). Please take care of Aragon in its entirety. Once again i thank you. Lastly thanks for making the experience i had here a good one; we had our arguements and our agreements but all in all it was good. Thanks.'''

Votre ami,

AP (talk) 02:52, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

No, I did not sign any alliance with the Terran Empire. According to their page, we are on friendly relations and are trading, nothing else.

Pita made it. I think it was based on some flags from Germany, although the resembalence with the nordic cross is fairly obvious.

No, Christianity is barely in my Empire, lol.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 04:25, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Genocide, no. The religious school of thought of the Dravimos race (it is sort of a mix of an empire and confederacy) is that all life, sentient or not, is precious, and therefore does not deserve extinction.

War, I don't know. It depends on who starts it, and why.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 04:36, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Boy, this is starting to sound like the first galactic war page again.

I don't know who created the Constantan republic, or most of the nations on that page for that matter. But given that the reason for this war might be different than on that page, I will have to wait and see, sorry to say.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 04:51, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

That's what I said...

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 05:01, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps. Who made all of those races in that war?

I may seek to use them...

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 05:06, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

BFER
A: I do not appreciate your creating false colonies of mine. Or naming them. B: Anyone would more or less know that historically, the Regenetech Empire does not get dragged into war lest the Dravimos or Azaranian got themselves into a war. So these Constantinoplians (I forget the name) would have a hard time convincing anyone that the Regenetech Empire destroyed property of another nation with being engaged in existing war with that nations. Part of the Constitution, Article 639: The Empire shall not be the opening aggressor of anyone war unless it is an interior war or part of an expansion campaign into unclaimed territory. C: The word is "Azaranian" and not "Azarian." And there is an existing flag for the Azaranians out there somewhere. D: The humans are the only inhabitants of the Sol System. E: The sheer sizes of the Azaranian and Regenetech Empire warrant a massively large population, making the Terran Empire look impossibly small in numbers and size. F: The Galactic Alliance is established, and has been since 85 billion years. (The true age of the canon races can be placed at c. 100 to 300 billion years ago, choose your number any time.) And it comprises of the Regenetech Empire, Dravimosian Empire, Azaranian Empire, and Caborr Consulate, and it started when the four nations became neighbors. Meanwhile on the other side of the Galaxy, the Terran Empire allied to several neighboring nations and consolidated those nations into a megastate: the XYZ Republic (Currently lacking a name, name as you wish.) and allied with the Soram Empire and the new Hanzen Empire, formed from the overthrown Hanzen Republic. Both are large in population and size, and strong as well, and the Democrists to form the Quadruple Alliance. The Mechs remain isolated in their corner of the Galaxy, while other nations are scaterred about. And so the QA and GA do not fight interiorly. G: Other nations are not as genocidal and homocidal as the Terran Empire. H: If you had simply read what we had already, none of this would have happened!
 * False colonies? You probably have hundreds of colonies, are you gonna name them all? You can rename the colony if you want, but seriously man, give me a break.
 * Heh. Did anyone believe that the Poles really attacked Nazi Germany? No. Did Nazi Germany still invade Poland? Yes.
 * Alright, I changed the word, but I can't find the flag.
 * What about it?
 * Heh. But all those stars and colonies can't be all Azarian- therefore, you are more spread out, and have to deal with more stuff.
 * ?? How was it established 85 billion years ago if our nations are only 100 to 300 million years old? And I'll change that.
 * Destroying a planet in desperation is not homicidal. Did the US drop two nuclear weapons and firebomb Tokyo and Dresden? Yes. Were they, and are they today, homicidal? No.
 * Heh, you never gave me the link to any of that stuff, so I had no idea!

PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 10:25, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

A: Correction: No colonies, as titling a territory as such makes them feel lesser. And it can't as far flung as you can imagine, as every sector of the Empire would have to be close to a provincial capital. Sheesh, didn't you ever see Star Wars? B: The Cornstantians can believe it, but convincing their allies would be a tough job, and Germany only got Japan and Italy in on the act because of their pact. And the Regenetechs could easily crush the Cornstantians after a declaration of war and before they could mobilize all their troops. Nazi Germany attacked a lesser enemy--attacking the Regenetech would mean practical suicide. C: Oh darn it. I was supposed to make the flag for Lx (I did too) but I never uploaded it! D: Venusians ring a bell? E: The Brits kept 1/3 of the globe under control, I could the same with 1/4 the galaxy. F: Oh, that should have been millions. My mistake. G: So killing tens of millions of defending people is not homicidal? H: I said it was in my sandbox and under the BFER category. Not my problem if you're too lazy to go look for it.
 * Heh, I'm fairly certain that there is such thing as a "far flung colony", with only a few million people.
 * Hmm, I'll go change that, I suppose.
 * Then please upload it.
 * Heh? What about em?
 * And yet, the scales are wayyy out of proportion. The Brits when they had 1/3 of the globe had a population of several million. However, you control an amount of territory trillions that amount, but you don't have trillions the population
 * K.
 * Not if it's war. And besides, think about it this way. Back in say the Roman days, killing 100,000 people at once would be a horrendous act. It still was in WWII, but because of the amount of people in the globe, it wasn't considered as big an act as it would have been in Roman times. Same analogy here.
 * I did go looking for it- I couldn't find it. I found it now.

PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 02:09, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Axis Vs Allies Revolutions
Im planning on making japan pro ally it will remain a monarchy though thats a part of japanese society and tradition, i will probably end up making a treaty or somthing with Pita over Korea, but i will fight with China over territory. since he will probably become pro communist if he follows the path of last game, can we make hands off treaty later on allowing me to deal with china? Also check out A Darker Place my timeline its gone along alot more then the other and its not biased this time.

Nkbeeching

Hey Scraw, wondering if you could atleast verbally denounce the Turkish Invasion of Iran? And maybe send at least humanitarian aid over here to Iran, kthen thanks. Ianian58 (talk) 21:36, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

A Darker Place
you mean gramatical only or historical as well?

were are the historical mistakes i have studied as best i can and got the dates, and historical figures right now its up to see were the changes go.

ok i havent started the russian line yet, im not going to for a bit because my focus is connecting the the oriental and western european ones up to speed and again im not going to plan out russia's tragectory yet. neither will i do it for the mughals but i have mild idea were its going to go again i posted im starting from scratch with many of my old ideas. the current orient is much less then i origanally planed and qwill remain so same with the england situation. im building up from nothing while using the same PoD's.

BFER
... So, you're saying I HAVE to support you? You're attempting to throw us out of Sol, the Terrans are practically at war with you. What it is is a NONALIGNED PACT. The Royal Guns (talk) 18:35, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

My apologies, having seen what you said, that's fine. I'm done with that game, but have fun. The Royal Guns (talk) 19:04, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Good for you, you know about the alliance! Does Brandenburg wish for one? Saamwiil (talk) 00:24, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

Hey please check my new nation page for Bavaria, I want to ensure that it is correct. Also can you do that graph thingy on your homepage for me?These are not the droids you are looking for. 03:36, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Why thank you it looks great!These are not the droids you are looking for. 12:03, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Revolutions
What exactly is your plan for WWII? Because I'm confused. The Royal Guns (talk) 14:51, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

What is that country in a world of difference that contains nigeria and how did it come to be

Hey, for PMII, could we at least try to be allies when communication with the old world is esstablished? :/ Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:56, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

No, Vijaynagar. I would love to support you to unite the HRE when better contact happens between East and West! :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:08, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Read!
I ask that you read the HRE page for PMII as soon as you can.

It is important.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 02:46, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I tried again!

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 03:04, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

PM II
I'm deciding to reply you here instead of the blog. Hope you don't mind.

Anyway...

First, before I go into the actual reply, let me just say that during the Asuka period (552–710), there were at least five Empresses during that time (not all at once, mind) and four more during the Nara period (710–794) and the last two female Empress were Empress Meishō (1629-1643) and Empress Go-Sakuramachi (1762-1770).

The first Empress of Japan was Empress Jingu, but she's a legendary and doesn't really count.

Now for the actual reply...

...not if the only kids are all female. :D Then again, I'm a feminist. I really would rather have females in charge. I know you (and some others) are really angered about that I really like to only mention females in most of my posts, but, I just rather have females doing lots of things instead.

So, in this game (PM II), I'll just wait a while before beginning to have an Empress again. However, I still want to have some females taking some roles in government, and I hate waiting all the way until 1900s just so I can have a chance to have feminists take power. Since the rules say I can't get ahead of real life (like technology), I might as well wait....

So instead, I though I'd kick in some Empresses along the way. There may still be a few Emperors, but down the road, things will change and there shall be even more Empresses and etc.

Sorry if you are angered and offended in any way (I don't mean to), but I just like females having lots of power, that's all... -Kogasa 2012年9月07日 21:22:07 (JST)

Brandenburg
I'm sorry to have to give you bad news but it is unlikely Brandenburg will get a coastline with this war. The algorythm required several changes (Teutonic Knights have a capital and population) which got your scores pretty close. Also Venice was forced to support them since their previous HQ was Venice and they still hold ties. Even if you did get a coastline, then it would require several years to build a port (unless you take one) and then even more to build ships. Colonization would have started by then and thanks to only recently (past century unlike other nations) having a coastline you would not be able to join the main colonial powers in the first round. But by about the early 16th century you would be able to colonize and depending on your land size and coastline you may be able to use your navy to do damage. Scandinator (talk) 05:19, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Are you controlling Aragon for AP? Scandinator (talk) 05:40, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

LOL, Poland just offered you a leg up in the war, you get +8 points. Aren't you lucky? Scandinator (talk) 06:08, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Well you've got a coastline too now... Scandinator (talk) 21:38, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

algorithm help
Hey can you do my algorithm for the Bavarian war of Unification, I do not think I have it rightThese are not the droids you are looking for. 04:25, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Delayed Response
Sorry for not responding sooner, but this whole ordeal with the game is killing me.

I am trying to get Venice to join peacefully, but Scan has not replied to my message.

I think you should finish your war with Platinate and Luxembourg, and when they are defeated, help me finish the rebels in the south. Then we slowly get the other states to sign the treaty, and then we will be unstoppable.

Then we can participate in the world war with the Muslim world, right?

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 02:06, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

==Halloween Map Game == During October, I plan to release a map game similar to Battle for Earth in that it is humanity vs something else vs something else. It is different in that, rather than aliens, these 'something elses' will be werewolf packs vs. vampire clans vs. humanity. Users won't control entire species of supernatural beings. Rather, they will be controlling vampire clans. Each race will have strengths and weaknesses that keep in line with classic lore in addition to strengths and weaknesses unique to a clan. The game will probably be set in Victorian Times. Would you want to help me set this up? CrimsonAssassin (talk) 20:48, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

Wiuwiu
Just extremly bored in internet and found this images, most of them related to Star Wars and Predator, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5(Sith Predator), 6(sad, poor Ewok), 7 and 8. And about BFER, I really think you should look at the Revamp proposal. I believe many problems the game usually faces can be solved that way. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 00:25, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Axis Vs Allies Revolutions
we really need the states back in the game the axis is in full advantage without the Usa supporting the Uk and france has switched sides. im negotiating with the axis about possibly allying with them but its not decided yet we can still create a different situation if you join back in the game.the USA is vital to the game just as much as japan, the usa, germany and france. Nkbeeching

Re:13 Fallen Stars Map
Greetings. Sorry for the delayed response.

First off, please do not be calling me "Oh Mighty Duke Nuke" (I am nothing special). As for a world map, I am sorry to say that there is not currently one. This is primarily because I currently do not know how the world would completely look like. So it may be a while before one is avaliable. I appreciate the offer, but I can't accept it at the moment (for those reasons). But when the nations can be finalized, I would appreciate any help you may be willing to do. Thank you again. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 22:27, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Japan and the USA
i am considering which side to join i might be convinced to aid the USA but i have conditions: In return for this motions being completed Japan will grant the USA access to Japanese naval facilities for joint operations, it will help support the war effort in any way it can in the east and the indian ocean, Japan will also open its nuclear program to the USa for a joint program to hasten the process and gain the decisive advantage over the axis. Nkbeeching
 * 1) In the case of our Victory the russian far east is to be granted as an area of japanese influence
 * 2) the USA does not intervene in any Japanese-E.A.T.S.P. wars that going on and allow Japan Free reign in China.
 * 3) Japan gets access to American naval bases to expand its operations in the pacific this will benifit both of us.
 * 4) all territories captured by the E.A.T.S.P. stay with the alliance.
 * 5) over the next 20 or 30 years japan will go on a campaign to liberate East Asia From European colonialism through proxy wars and supporting rebel groups and eventually expand the E.A.T.S.P.

Proposal and Apology
Hey Scraw. First, I would like to apoligize for the very long arguments that have arisen. Second, I was hoping if I could withdraw from the Axis and World War II with the following terms: I was hoping that this could withdraw the Soviets from the Second World War II. Enclavehunter (talk) 03:37, September 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * The Soviet Union would be condensed to OTL Russian Federation.
 * Mongolia, Central Asia, Latvia, and Estonia will be granted independence.
 * Eastern Poland will be handed over to Germany.
 * The USSR would withdraw from the Axis.

I know. At the time, I was like: "There's the Japs to the south; Germans to the west; and the Americans to the east." At the time, Germany sounded like a much better option, but I guess it wasn't right now. Oh well. Enclavehunter (talk) 04:02, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Maps (13 Fallen Stars)
Could you make a map for Europe? I believe that a world map would be easier if you pieced it together on a continent by continent basis. And you are special. You managed to turn what was once a bland dime-a-dozen "America falls apart" timeline and made it interesting and unique. My one request is that Venice keeps it's considerable territories outside Italy.

Yank 04:02, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

AVAR Map
Found out that you had a proposed map. What is that all about? RandomWriterGuy (talk) 05:57, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

intriguing offer
we will see how things turn out. but i have to discuss it with my allies siam and korea if the accept japan and the E.A.T.S.P. will join the war once we have shattered the chinese and secured the dutch east indies. Nkbeeching

even without the germans if we play a war of attrition and dominate the seas with british support until the nukes are availible we canforces a peace on the axis and secure dominence in asia and possibly retake france.

quick thing im planning on breaking china to pieces and creating series of puppet states similar to manchuria to secure japanese dominence in east asia.

Mix-up
Yeah. My bad. Sorry.

Yank 14:56, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Wow! I ain't sure yet! :/ Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:36, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

NN Flag Map
Hey Scraw, it's been a while since you've offered to make a flag map for No Napoleon, and I'd like to let you know that I've updated several countries. As a result of this, the map you'd have would be out of date, and I'd feel terrible for you to scrap part of the work you did already. So if you like, you could upload the map and I could simply continue where you left off. Thanks, ChrisL123 (talk) 03:39, September 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * No no, don't worry about it, it's perfect. And you don't need to finish it, I appreciate your progress so far. Thank you! ChrisL123 (talk) 05:19, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Frontier II
Generally speaking, you are right - tech is roughly 18-24 months behind (i.e. iPad was introduced this year instead of last). However, with a three-way space race in the 1960s and a four-way race today, space funding would have continued into the 1980s at the same level as during the Apollo years (you'll notice the Moon landing missions occur later than in OTL). I'm not up to date on the technical aspects of sending a manned mission to Mars, though I suppose they would have figured out some way to do it (potentially assembling the ship in orbit).

KingSweden (talk) 19:01, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

King and Queen
She would not have married the Prince. Only her father wanted that to happen. Not she, nor the Prince, nor her mother, nor the two governments, or even the people wanted it.

Any such union would have meant the UK to one son, the Netherlands to another. The contract specifically said it, as a matter of fact.

If she had not died in Childbirth, while she would one day have become queen, her husband would not have been considered for the Belgian crown. Funny enough, in that context, Victoria and Albert would have become the Belgian monarchs, most likely, lol.

Lordganon (talk) 02:20, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

...Except that it would not be plausible to have a mighty Belgium, lol. That being said, whatever territory they take in Africa, be it the Congo or elsewhere, isn't going to be hell on earth like otl Belgian colonies were. Lordganon (talk) 02:32, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

BFE: TF
Umm, scraw, dude, if you're playing the Federation, you can't play the Regen. JUst saying. One nation.

The Royal Guns (talk) 20:44, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

Becuase the Regen only have 1 fleet. The Royal Guns (talk) 00:02, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Whereas the Federation have 25,000 lesser ships?

The Royal Guns (talk) 00:10, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

True that. The humans will stay 60 km away and destroy your ships (jk)

The Royal Guns (talk) 00:16, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Axis vs Allies: Revolutions
Are you still going to play this game as the United States? Thanks. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 20:19, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

SECRET DIPLOMACY
Anyways, ignoring that frankly mean offer to Novgorod (We just end up on opposite sides in all map games)... I have an offer for you. It doesn't concern Russia, it concerns your positions and the rising DME. Trust me, you're completely screwed unless the Russians aid you. Novgorod can't on it's own. You need Muscovy, to be able to, as Novgorod is too far away and not powerful enough. So, here's what I suggest;

A) Brandenburg ends its plans against Muscovy.

B) Brandenburg will also enter into a trade pact with Muscovy and Novgorod (As in, you'll send us supplies in a war).

C) Muscovy will do the same (so in all future wars, unless you're against us, you will get a +2)

D) In the event of a war with the DME, in which Europe is in serious danger of collapsing (this means you), Muscovy will surprise attack them from the back. And, I'm sure I can convince Novgorod of the same.

FYI, other than the Parts of Russia I currently control, I'm not interested in it. Novogorod can have the East, I'll take the west, and we'll share all other directions.

The Royal Guns (talk) 14:43, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Italy offers to join the Allies and launch an invasion of southern Germany in return for national.amnesty and to help occupy Turkey, Spain, or Germany. (DeanSims: Talk)