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I forwarded the message to RWG, and look foward to our new alliance working in the future. --"Truth fears no questions..." 04:10, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

1. I have been gone for a while, I have no idea what this Srasimo or whatever group is.

2 I AM NOT A PART OF RUSSIA, we share the same King, but I am entirely independent

3 Wales has been at the forefront of many modern technologies. Do not presume to tell me I mean absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

4. I did not model it after Al Jazeerah, it was only after i named it that I found out its similarity, it was completely a mistake.

5 Do YOU really think you mean that much to others, Yes you have done large and great things, but do you expect the other powers in the world to see you as a great power? This is not a pissing contest, This is ALTERNATE HISTORY, which by its very definition, is different from real events. Of course Wales isn's a world power militarily. I am not going for world power status anymore, I learned sometime ago that my trapped nation could never really compete with the others in that field, so I have focused on becoming an Economic power like OTL Singpore. Military speaking they are a joke, yet economically they are quite powerful.

Do not tell me I have no real power, MONEY IS POWER, and I do have a good bit of that.I agree in hindsite about all of these terrorist attacks, and ill end them. But do not insult me. I started with crap and actually managed to do something with it. It may not be great but it is a hell of a lot better than what was there before.These are not the droids you are looking for. 18:56, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

how'd this religous group get formed? I don't remember their existence? Also when Tsar Alexi became kingo of the Welsh throne, we refused to join the Commonwealth unless we had the assurance that we would be free to leave, in fact all Commonwealth nations have that right. I was actually contemplating a split, this time Wales will become a Constituational Monaarchy again, and will be beholden to no nation, or maybe a Republic? I would very much like our politcal union thing to last. Also if I am politcally Russain because of my Kning, then aren't you as well? I mean you share the same King as all of us now. Also I wasn't mad, just a little taken aback and confused, I am in college now so I can't check up on things every day.These are not the droids you are looking for. 19:36, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, wasn't reading carefully enough. Just do remember the Turkish government did not attack, but by extreme extremist, as supposed to the slightly more liberal government... The world oughta be happy

Idunno. First country that came to mid. I could have also done Russia, or Hungary. Had to be Large and Strong.Saamwiil (talk) 21:22, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

Stop dodging the fundamental question, and actually answer it. Why would two organisation's with exactly the same goal who aren't enemies not collaborate on a project all about collaboration? I cannot come up with any reason why they would not join one another.

As for Antarctica, why does Scandinavia even want it? They have plenty of cold, desolate tundra with nothing in it in. You basically own the North pole jointly with Russia. Antarctica is on the other side of the world to you so why you want it? VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:01, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

ಠ_ಠ Your kidding me right? Let me quote me asking you this and you then answering:


 * Me: "They would have joint operations to do this together. I think we all know well what Wikipedia is about: collaboration. So why you no collaborate?"
 * You: "Why? Largely because you Asian people have a bad habit of being ignorant of other people's claims and actions. And I am willing to do this because this is not related to government, it is common people vs. common people. Let's just see which website gains more followers by 2010. In 2011 we can forget about one of the websites."
 * Me: "How on earth do we judge which website has more followers? Look like you say its people against people, but they have the exact same goal. The only reason they aren't collaborating is because of your bad grudges. Those people founding these wikipedia-type websites don't have these grudges and so would collaborate. "

I asked you that. You had a dig at me, and sort of disagreed then agreed that they would help each other out. They are charitable organisations with the same goal they would help each other out. The only reasoning you gave me there for not collaborating was your grudge against Asian people having a bad habit of being ignorant. You then have the nerve to say "The only reason they aren't collaborating is because of your ultimate refusal to respect me in a such a minuscule aspect" when your the one refusing to collaborate, and I'm annoyed at your grudges being the reason why you're not collaborating.

I'm still confused what your on about when your saying I'm refusing to concede. Concede what? The two sites would join up to achieve their goal together, I am baffled to what your on about when I want the two organisations to be one. I mean you can't compete with stuff like this, you know being a charitable goal and not for profit. The name is not important, they would have different names in different languages anyway, otherwise people who didn't speak the same language wouldn't know what the site was for. Unless we're gonna have a single brand name that is. Which if we're gonna do, I say we come up with a new name so no-one wins. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:58, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah we could do with something which all languages would at least sort of get the jist of, and then more individual translated names for each of the different language sites. Perhaps Globapedia or something? I dunno, I'm not like bi-lingual or anything, so coming up for names for stuff like this isn't my strongest suit. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 23:21, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

BFER
Alright, I'll change it as fast as I can. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 01:01, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

I did see about Neil Armstrong. It's a shame. I was just thinking about how up in age he was the other day. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 01:10, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

'''Hey Scraw. I would like you to know that i am going on indefinite leave from the site. I have too much going on and this site doesnt really help, so a split was definitely happening. I want you to head VLR, of course with its instructions: 1- Callum will control the UK of GB, Ireland,and Germany, 2- No biased events please, goes for all mods. Players will have a say in them if they think they're biased. 3- If there are World Wars, make sure they dont turn into an implausibility fest. 4- If there is no sign of a WWII, make sure that colonies are all given independence by 1950, max 1965. 5- The UK will give Ireland its independence in 1922. 6- The Dominions of the UK are all given full political independence and are included in teh Commonwealth of Nations around the 1930s or whenever it was OTL.(even India, but Callum will decide). 7- Exactly the same with your dominions, they can't be like that forever..feel free to create your own commonwealth system 8- Try to make some sort of Cold War 9- Keep that last one plausible, no Ottoman Empire vs Spain or something like that( basically, try to have new superpowers like France the UK China) 10- Thanks for doing that, if the game dies then oh well. I appreciate your doing this. Do what you want with my nations on other map games. In PMII, you have the support of Aragon in whatever your alliance wants, just know that i have a pre-existing agreement with the Castille player to unite on the first turn. That is really the only country i wish to maintain, in case in come back (since PM has a history of actually finishing). Please take care of Aragon in its entirety. Once again i thank you. Lastly thanks for making the experience i had here a good one; we had our arguements and our agreements but all in all it was good. Thanks.'''

Votre ami,

AP (talk) 02:52, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

No, I did not sign any alliance with the Terran Empire. According to their page, we are on friendly relations and are trading, nothing else.

Pita made it. I think it was based on some flags from Germany, although the resembalence with the nordic cross is fairly obvious.

No, Christianity is barely in my Empire, lol.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 04:25, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Genocide, no. The religious school of thought of the Dravimos race (it is sort of a mix of an empire and confederacy) is that all life, sentient or not, is precious, and therefore does not deserve extinction.

War, I don't know. It depends on who starts it, and why.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 04:36, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Boy, this is starting to sound like the first galactic war page again.

I don't know who created the Constantan republic, or most of the nations on that page for that matter. But given that the reason for this war might be different than on that page, I will have to wait and see, sorry to say.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 04:51, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

That's what I said...

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 05:01, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps. Who made all of those races in that war?

I may seek to use them...

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 05:06, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

BFER
A: I do not appreciate your creating false colonies of mine. Or naming them. B: Anyone would more or less know that historically, the Regenetech Empire does not get dragged into war lest the Dravimos or Azaranian got themselves into a war. So these Constantinoplians (I forget the name) would have a hard time convincing anyone that the Regenetech Empire destroyed property of another nation with being engaged in existing war with that nations. Part of the Constitution, Article 639: The Empire shall not be the opening aggressor of anyone war unless it is an interior war or part of an expansion campaign into unclaimed territory. C: The word is "Azaranian" and not "Azarian." And there is an existing flag for the Azaranians out there somewhere. D: The humans are the only inhabitants of the Sol System. E: The sheer sizes of the Azaranian and Regenetech Empire warrant a massively large population, making the Terran Empire look impossibly small in numbers and size. F: The Galactic Alliance is established, and has been since 85 billion years. (The true age of the canon races can be placed at c. 100 to 300 billion years ago, choose your number any time.) And it comprises of the Regenetech Empire, Dravimosian Empire, Azaranian Empire, and Caborr Consulate, and it started when the four nations became neighbors. Meanwhile on the other side of the Galaxy, the Terran Empire allied to several neighboring nations and consolidated those nations into a megastate: the XYZ Republic (Currently lacking a name, name as you wish.) and allied with the Soram Empire and the new Hanzen Empire, formed from the overthrown Hanzen Republic. Both are large in population and size, and strong as well, and the Democrists to form the Quadruple Alliance. The Mechs remain isolated in their corner of the Galaxy, while other nations are scaterred about. And so the QA and GA do not fight interiorly. G: Other nations are not as genocidal and homocidal as the Terran Empire. H: If you had simply read what we had already, none of this would have happened!
 * False colonies? You probably have hundreds of colonies, are you gonna name them all? You can rename the colony if you want, but seriously man, give me a break.
 * Heh. Did anyone believe that the Poles really attacked Nazi Germany? No. Did Nazi Germany still invade Poland? Yes.
 * Alright, I changed the word, but I can't find the flag.
 * What about it?
 * Heh. But all those stars and colonies can't be all Azarian- therefore, you are more spread out, and have to deal with more stuff.
 * ?? How was it established 85 billion years ago if our nations are only 100 to 300 million years old? And I'll change that.
 * Destroying a planet in desperation is not homicidal. Did the US drop two nuclear weapons and firebomb Tokyo and Dresden? Yes. Were they, and are they today, homicidal? No.
 * Heh, you never gave me the link to any of that stuff, so I had no idea!

PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 10:25, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

A: Correction: No colonies, as titling a territory as such makes them feel lesser. And it can't as far flung as you can imagine, as every sector of the Empire would have to be close to a provincial capital. Sheesh, didn't you ever see Star Wars? B: The Cornstantians can believe it, but convincing their allies would be a tough job, and Germany only got Japan and Italy in on the act because of their pact. And the Regenetechs could easily crush the Cornstantians after a declaration of war and before they could mobilize all their troops. Nazi Germany attacked a lesser enemy--attacking the Regenetech would mean practical suicide. C: Oh darn it. I was supposed to make the flag for Lx (I did too) but I never uploaded it! D: Venusians ring a bell? E: The Brits kept 1/3 of the globe under control, I could the same with 1/4 the galaxy. F: Oh, that should have been millions. My mistake. G: So killing tens of millions of defending people is not homicidal? H: I said it was in my sandbox and under the BFER category. Not my problem if you're too lazy to go look for it.
 * Heh, I'm fairly certain that there is such thing as a "far flung colony", with only a few million people.
 * Hmm, I'll go change that, I suppose.
 * Then please upload it.
 * Heh? What about em?
 * And yet, the scales are wayyy out of proportion. The Brits when they had 1/3 of the globe had a population of several million. However, you control an amount of territory trillions that amount, but you don't have trillions the population
 * K.
 * Not if it's war. And besides, think about it this way. Back in say the Roman days, killing 100,000 people at once would be a horrendous act. It still was in WWII, but because of the amount of people in the globe, it wasn't considered as big an act as it would have been in Roman times. Same analogy here.
 * I did go looking for it- I couldn't find it. I found it now.

PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 02:09, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Axis Vs Allies Revolutions
Im planning on making japan pro ally it will remain a monarchy though thats a part of japanese society and tradition, i will probably end up making a treaty or somthing with Pita over Korea, but i will fight with China over territory. since he will probably become pro communist if he follows the path of last game, can we make hands off treaty later on allowing me to deal with china? Also check out A Darker Place my timeline its gone along alot more then the other and its not biased this time.

Nkbeeching

Hey Scraw, wondering if you could atleast verbally denounce the Turkish Invasion of Iran? And maybe send at least humanitarian aid over here to Iran, kthen thanks. Ianian58 (talk) 21:36, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

A Darker Place
you mean gramatical only or historical as well?

were are the historical mistakes i have studied as best i can and got the dates, and historical figures right now its up to see were the changes go.

ok i havent started the russian line yet, im not going to for a bit because my focus is connecting the the oriental and western european ones up to speed and again im not going to plan out russia's tragectory yet. neither will i do it for the mughals but i have mild idea were its going to go again i posted im starting from scratch with many of my old ideas. the current orient is much less then i origanally planed and qwill remain so same with the england situation. im building up from nothing while using the same PoD's.

BFER
... So, you're saying I HAVE to support you? You're attempting to throw us out of Sol, the Terrans are practically at war with you. What it is is a NONALIGNED PACT. The Royal Guns (talk) 18:35, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

My apologies, having seen what you said, that's fine. I'm done with that game, but have fun. The Royal Guns (talk) 19:04, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Good for you, you know about the alliance! Does Brandenburg wish for one? Saamwiil (talk) 00:24, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

Hey please check my new nation page for Bavaria, I want to ensure that it is correct. Also can you do that graph thingy on your homepage for me?These are not the droids you are looking for. 03:36, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Why thank you it looks great!These are not the droids you are looking for. 12:03, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Revolutions
What exactly is your plan for WWII? Because I'm confused. The Royal Guns (talk) 14:51, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

What is that country in a world of difference that contains nigeria and how did it come to be

Hey, for PMII, could we at least try to be allies when communication with the old world is esstablished? :/ Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:56, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

No, Vijaynagar. I would love to support you to unite the HRE when better contact happens between East and West! :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:08, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Read!
I ask that you read the HRE page for PMII as soon as you can.

It is important.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 02:46, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I tried again!

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 03:04, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

PM II
I'm deciding to reply you here instead of the blog. Hope you don't mind.

Anyway...

First, before I go into the actual reply, let me just say that during the Asuka period (552–710), there were at least five Empresses during that time (not all at once, mind) and four more during the Nara period (710–794) and the last two female Empress were Empress Meishō (1629-1643) and Empress Go-Sakuramachi (1762-1770).

The first Empress of Japan was Empress Jingu, but she's a legendary and doesn't really count.

Now for the actual reply...

...not if the only kids are all female. :D Then again, I'm a feminist. I really would rather have females in charge. I know you (and some others) are really angered about that I really like to only mention females in most of my posts, but, I just rather have females doing lots of things instead.

So, in this game (PM II), I'll just wait a while before beginning to have an Empress again. However, I still want to have some females taking some roles in government, and I hate waiting all the way until 1900s just so I can have a chance to have feminists take power. Since the rules say I can't get ahead of real life (like technology), I might as well wait....

So instead, I though I'd kick in some Empresses along the way. There may still be a few Emperors, but down the road, things will change and there shall be even more Empresses and etc.

Sorry if you are angered and offended in any way (I don't mean to), but I just like females having lots of power, that's all... -Kogasa 2012年9月07日 21:22:07 (JST)

Brandenburg
I'm sorry to have to give you bad news but it is unlikely Brandenburg will get a coastline with this war. The algorythm required several changes (Teutonic Knights have a capital and population) which got your scores pretty close. Also Venice was forced to support them since their previous HQ was Venice and they still hold ties. Even if you did get a coastline, then it would require several years to build a port (unless you take one) and then even more to build ships. Colonization would have started by then and thanks to only recently (past century unlike other nations) having a coastline you would not be able to join the main colonial powers in the first round. But by about the early 16th century you would be able to colonize and depending on your land size and coastline you may be able to use your navy to do damage. Scandinator (talk) 05:19, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Are you controlling Aragon for AP? Scandinator (talk) 05:40, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

LOL, Poland just offered you a leg up in the war, you get +8 points. Aren't you lucky? Scandinator (talk) 06:08, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Well you've got a coastline too now... Scandinator (talk) 21:38, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

algorithm help
Hey can you do my algorithm for the Bavarian war of Unification, I do not think I have it rightThese are not the droids you are looking for. 04:25, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Delayed Response
Sorry for not responding sooner, but this whole ordeal with the game is killing me.

I am trying to get Venice to join peacefully, but Scan has not replied to my message.

I think you should finish your war with Platinate and Luxembourg, and when they are defeated, help me finish the rebels in the south. Then we slowly get the other states to sign the treaty, and then we will be unstoppable.

Then we can participate in the world war with the Muslim world, right?

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 02:06, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

==Halloween Map Game == During October, I plan to release a map game similar to Battle for Earth in that it is humanity vs something else vs something else. It is different in that, rather than aliens, these 'something elses' will be werewolf packs vs. vampire clans vs. humanity. Users won't control entire species of supernatural beings. Rather, they will be controlling vampire clans. Each race will have strengths and weaknesses that keep in line with classic lore in addition to strengths and weaknesses unique to a clan. The game will probably be set in Victorian Times. Would you want to help me set this up? CrimsonAssassin (talk) 20:48, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

Wiuwiu
Just extremly bored in internet and found this images, most of them related to Star Wars and Predator, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5(Sith Predator), 6(sad, poor Ewok), 7 and 8. And about BFER, I really think you should look at the Revamp proposal. I believe many problems the game usually faces can be solved that way. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 00:25, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Axis Vs Allies Revolutions
we really need the states back in the game the axis is in full advantage without the Usa supporting the Uk and france has switched sides. im negotiating with the axis about possibly allying with them but its not decided yet we can still create a different situation if you join back in the game.the USA is vital to the game just as much as japan, the usa, germany and france. Nkbeeching

Re:13 Fallen Stars Map
Greetings. Sorry for the delayed response.

First off, please do not be calling me "Oh Mighty Duke Nuke" (I am nothing special). As for a world map, I am sorry to say that there is not currently one. This is primarily because I currently do not know how the world would completely look like. So it may be a while before one is avaliable. I appreciate the offer, but I can't accept it at the moment (for those reasons). But when the nations can be finalized, I would appreciate any help you may be willing to do. Thank you again. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 22:27, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Japan and the USA
i am considering which side to join i might be convinced to aid the USA but i have conditions: In return for this motions being completed Japan will grant the USA access to Japanese naval facilities for joint operations, it will help support the war effort in any way it can in the east and the indian ocean, Japan will also open its nuclear program to the USa for a joint program to hasten the process and gain the decisive advantage over the axis. Nkbeeching
 * 1) In the case of our Victory the russian far east is to be granted as an area of japanese influence
 * 2) the USA does not intervene in any Japanese-E.A.T.S.P. wars that going on and allow Japan Free reign in China.
 * 3) Japan gets access to American naval bases to expand its operations in the pacific this will benifit both of us.
 * 4) all territories captured by the E.A.T.S.P. stay with the alliance.
 * 5) over the next 20 or 30 years japan will go on a campaign to liberate East Asia From European colonialism through proxy wars and supporting rebel groups and eventually expand the E.A.T.S.P.

Proposal and Apology
Hey Scraw. First, I would like to apoligize for the very long arguments that have arisen. Second, I was hoping if I could withdraw from the Axis and World War II with the following terms: I was hoping that this could withdraw the Soviets from the Second World War II. Enclavehunter (talk) 03:37, September 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * The Soviet Union would be condensed to OTL Russian Federation.
 * Mongolia, Central Asia, Latvia, and Estonia will be granted independence.
 * Eastern Poland will be handed over to Germany.
 * The USSR would withdraw from the Axis.

I know. At the time, I was like: "There's the Japs to the south; Germans to the west; and the Americans to the east." At the time, Germany sounded like a much better option, but I guess it wasn't right now. Oh well. Enclavehunter (talk) 04:02, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Maps (13 Fallen Stars)
Could you make a map for Europe? I believe that a world map would be easier if you pieced it together on a continent by continent basis. And you are special. You managed to turn what was once a bland dime-a-dozen "America falls apart" timeline and made it interesting and unique. My one request is that Venice keeps it's considerable territories outside Italy.

Yank 04:02, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

AVAR Map
Found out that you had a proposed map. What is that all about? RandomWriterGuy (talk) 05:57, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

intriguing offer
we will see how things turn out. but i have to discuss it with my allies siam and korea if the accept japan and the E.A.T.S.P. will join the war once we have shattered the chinese and secured the dutch east indies. Nkbeeching

even without the germans if we play a war of attrition and dominate the seas with british support until the nukes are availible we canforces a peace on the axis and secure dominence in asia and possibly retake france.

quick thing im planning on breaking china to pieces and creating series of puppet states similar to manchuria to secure japanese dominence in east asia.

Mix-up
Yeah. My bad. Sorry.

Yank 14:56, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Wow! I ain't sure yet! :/ Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:36, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

NN Flag Map
Hey Scraw, it's been a while since you've offered to make a flag map for No Napoleon, and I'd like to let you know that I've updated several countries. As a result of this, the map you'd have would be out of date, and I'd feel terrible for you to scrap part of the work you did already. So if you like, you could upload the map and I could simply continue where you left off. Thanks, ChrisL123 (talk) 03:39, September 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * No no, don't worry about it, it's perfect. And you don't need to finish it, I appreciate your progress so far. Thank you! ChrisL123 (talk) 05:19, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Frontier II
Generally speaking, you are right - tech is roughly 18-24 months behind (i.e. iPad was introduced this year instead of last). However, with a three-way space race in the 1960s and a four-way race today, space funding would have continued into the 1980s at the same level as during the Apollo years (you'll notice the Moon landing missions occur later than in OTL). I'm not up to date on the technical aspects of sending a manned mission to Mars, though I suppose they would have figured out some way to do it (potentially assembling the ship in orbit).

KingSweden (talk) 19:01, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

King and Queen
She would not have married the Prince. Only her father wanted that to happen. Not she, nor the Prince, nor her mother, nor the two governments, or even the people wanted it.

Any such union would have meant the UK to one son, the Netherlands to another. The contract specifically said it, as a matter of fact.

If she had not died in Childbirth, while she would one day have become queen, her husband would not have been considered for the Belgian crown. Funny enough, in that context, Victoria and Albert would have become the Belgian monarchs, most likely, lol.

Lordganon (talk) 02:20, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

...Except that it would not be plausible to have a mighty Belgium, lol. That being said, whatever territory they take in Africa, be it the Congo or elsewhere, isn't going to be hell on earth like otl Belgian colonies were. Lordganon (talk) 02:32, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

BFE: TF
Umm, scraw, dude, if you're playing the Federation, you can't play the Regen. JUst saying. One nation.

The Royal Guns (talk) 20:44, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

Becuase the Regen only have 1 fleet. The Royal Guns (talk) 00:02, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Whereas the Federation have 25,000 lesser ships?

The Royal Guns (talk) 00:10, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

True that. The humans will stay 60 km away and destroy your ships (jk)

The Royal Guns (talk) 00:16, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Axis vs Allies: Revolutions
Are you still going to play this game as the United States? Thanks. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 20:19, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

SECRET DIPLOMACY
Anyways, ignoring that frankly mean offer to Novgorod (We just end up on opposite sides in all map games)... I have an offer for you. It doesn't concern Russia, it concerns your positions and the rising DME. Trust me, you're completely screwed unless the Russians aid you. Novgorod can't on it's own. You need Muscovy, to be able to, as Novgorod is too far away and not powerful enough. So, here's what I suggest;

A) Brandenburg ends its plans against Muscovy.

B) Brandenburg will also enter into a trade pact with Muscovy and Novgorod (As in, you'll send us supplies in a war).

C) Muscovy will do the same (so in all future wars, unless you're against us, you will get a +2)

D) In the event of a war with the DME, in which Europe is in serious danger of collapsing (this means you), Muscovy will surprise attack them from the back. And, I'm sure I can convince Novgorod of the same.

FYI, other than the Parts of Russia I currently control, I'm not interested in it. Novogorod can have the East, I'll take the west, and we'll share all other directions.

The Royal Guns (talk) 14:43, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Italy offers to join the Allies and launch an invasion of southern Germany in return for national.amnesty and to help occupy Turkey, Spain, or Germany. (DeanSims: Talk)

Lol.

Actually, all the Russian states I have taken over were of the exact same ethnicity as us, and Muscovy did even better OTL without a single rebellion. So, no, I'm not facing Rebellions. Anyway, unless Novgorod attacks us (I hope not) you're getting a package deal. The friend of my friend is my friend (right?). Still, though, that trade deal... I recommend you go for it.

The Royal Guns (talk) 22:22, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

As for Warman, I thought Pita was modding?

The Royal Guns (talk) 22:46, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I live in America now, so moot point.

Hehe, true though.

The Royal Guns (talk) 17:05, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

Aragon
OK, how long is AwesomePeruvian's break going to be? Because I used a moderator event to give you control of a second nation without you having to do anything because you were looking out for him. LurkerLordB (Talk) 02:51, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

If he's not back by 1500 or so, you can have the seperation occur (better done by you than a moderator event, as realistically it would take more than 1 year for a personal union to break) LurkerLordB (Talk) 03:33, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

Well, if you wanted an in-game reason for the split in control. LurkerLordB (Talk) 03:38, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

When Aragon was joined with Brandenburg in personal union, Navarre was joined in the personal union as well. So unless smething has changed, they would be in personal union still. LurkerLordB (Talk) 12:37, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

That post wasn't me.(I think it was Milan) I don't even know what is going on PM right now, I was in an area of Arkansas for a Missions Conference and had No internet access. Please explain everything.Andr3w777 (talk) 02:45, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Map Games Wiki
Had an amazing idea.

A MAP GAMES WIKI. It'd be the same as here, only the games wouldn't be limited to althistory. All kinds of things.

What do you think?

The Royal Guns (talk) 18:59, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Axis vs Allies
I suggest that you suggest a UN after the war is over? PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:54, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Also, how do you think this is going? PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:54, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

PMII
Scraw, this is a true plea.

Muscovy will give you military aid in all possible future wars if you, Aragon, and Navarre give us military aid in a possible upcoming war on Poland (shh!) The Royal Guns (talk) 23:29, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Scraw, Naples is acting the tyrant of the Med Sea and is threatening you in Spain (claiming the islands off Aragon, Majorica or the Baleries or something) and me in the Balkans (claiming Serbia from Ektor's cousin). Would you help me knock him down a few notches? Scandinator (talk) 08:06, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

If Milan, Florence or the Pope joins they will annex Sardinia, Venice will take Sicily and Malta and I don't care what you do to the rest of Naples. Scandinator (talk) 23:05, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

Scraw, my friend, you have a problem.

I really don't think that attacking Naples is a good idea. The second you do that, you and the entire HRE are going to be in a two front war, as the Caliphate will see this as the perfect time to strike. Russia can't help much more than military aid, because the Polish war and others has really played hell with our Recent wars thing. Also, there may or may not be near-future plans for the annexation of much of Central Asia. In other words, you're alone, and you guys need to be united, or we're all screwed.

The Royal Guns (talk) 20:59, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Mm, and also...

''Si el HRE te ataca, te puedo defender, si el Caliphato me da permiso. Digame si ellos te dan mas problemas.Saamwiil, the Humble 22:26, October 10, 2012 (UTC)''

"If the HRE attacks you, we can defend you, if the Caliphate gives me permission. Tell me if they give you more problems."

That's the advantage of taking Spanish, lol.

anyways...

But guess what? Quari refused. You can trust him, ok? Leave him be. End the bloody war mongering and focus on your real enemy- el caliphato.

The Royal Guns (talk) 23:18, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Aragon - Infidel Spain
Hi Scraw, I just wanted to know if you are thinking about attacking Granada, cause maybe in the future, if the Caliphate does not involve, we could attack Granada. The attacker nations should be: Castille, Portugal, Naples, Genoa and Aragon, maybe Venice and the Pope, (that's enough to defeat Granada), and it could be divide between you and Castille or leaving it as a Christian vassal state, finishing the last muslim nation in Europe. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 18:17, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, so we have Aragón, Castille, Milan (me), Genoa, Naples and maybe a few more, we should start the war between 1488 - 1490, then we should continue until there is no Granada, I'm almost sure many other nations will help us with supplies. About Prussia I will intervene as Genoa with supplies, instead of resources and taxes I would prefer a coastal town in Granada, you choose which one. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 23:15, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

The Caliphate will, but it isn't a problem, because if any of Russia's allies are attacked, then Russia is attacked. They won't be expecting that, I guess... hehe....

The Royal Guns (talk) 18:29, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

1492. A coalition war between Genoa and Aragon or a normal war? Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 00:13, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

AvARe Cold war
i think the cold war between us will be more of a cordial rivalry in comparison to the cold war with the USSR since we have similar ideologies though japan's is more nationalistic and regional, but what do yo think in certain areas we would align while in others we simply exchange a few underhanded blows. another good idea would be to accept a division of influence, east asia and the western pacific to the E.A.T.S.P. while the U.S.A. and the U.S.S.R. duke it out across the rest of the world.

I think we shouldn't continue the war against Granada with this Muslim agression against Venice, this is probably the start of the biggest religious war I've ever seen. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 01:59, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Talk
Hey, can I talk to you for a second? CourageousLife (talk) 02:55, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

I'm just concerned about the whole HRE vs. Caliphate conversation. I deliberately chose my words carefully and tried to make sure that I didn't step on any toes, but somehow it looked to some people that I was attacking them, and it's just been bothering me all day. People just made me feel stupid and I felt like they were being very condescending, but if I tell them that, then they're just going to write me off for it. FML CourageousLife (talk) 02:52, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Some people are just extremely competitive and nasty about it. I suppose you're right. Let's just get it over and be done with it. CourageousLife (talk) 03:07, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Map Game Wiki
I've been thinking about this idea for a long time.

Basically, it would have four advantages:

A) Map Games would not be restricted to althistory.

B) The reputation of this wiki wouldn't be so downgraded by them a-holes on AH.com.

C) It would have the effect of less clutter on this wiki.

D) It could have rules specifically designed for Map Games, including rules about defunct ones, etc.

What do you think?

A suggestion as to rules:

A) there would be a hierarchy, similar to the one on this wiki (called the Grand Council of Cartography, or something like that.)

B) Only these members would be allowed to mod on map games. This makes awkward runaway implausogasm situations or biased mod problems less likely.

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;">C) There would be stricter rules about edit wars and the like. This wiki primarily devotes itself to althistory, so there is practically no solid rules on map games. This wiki would have them.

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;">D) To get into the mod group, you would have to be part of the initial group of users (probably all from althist, people like you, me, scraw, etc), or have used the wiki for at least 6 months. This would be the lowest level, with the same 3 levels thing. For those 6 months, you would have to prove that you are plausible, polite, respecting of the rules, etc.

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;">E) There would be a centralized algorithm, with lots of variations for different scenarios. This eliminates the @#$% idiotic algorithms that you see in some of the worse map games on this wiki.

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;">Haven't gotten much further than that, any suggestions would be welcome!

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;">The Royal Guns (talk) 23:31, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;">Yeah, I know. I copy-pasted that off Andr's talkpage.

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;">The Royal Guns (talk) 18:58, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

hey, would you like to play this new map game i've made Arabian Failure (Map Game), if you decide to join, dont pick england, as they didn't had a god outcome in the Analog of the Hundred years war, the best choices are currently germania and Spain Castille Sine dei gloriem (talk) 03:36, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

also could you send the link to other mapgamers you think would join this map game, please Sine dei gloriem (talk) 03:43, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

MaxSysa
Go to the talkpage of the portal. Its time we got down to business. Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:30, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Check
I've asked Wikia to look into it. Lordganon (talk) 03:44, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

'''I'M BACK! BOnjour, i thought you should be the first person i talk to since my return. First things first, hows everything going? I hope Aragon hasnt become anything bad in PM2. Anyways my first plan is to get the VRR game started back up again. I dont care about Vive La Revolution Revived, I(and im pretty sure you agree) dont think we should waste almost 100 years of play just because i left. I am starting a MAJOR revival campaign to get former players back. I am rolling the game back to 1873, the year before i left when everything was fine and dandy. I need your help. Dont erase anything. Try to remove the "defunct games" tag please im not sure how to do that.AP (talk) 04:28, October 25, 2012 (UTC)'''

Arabian Failure map game
the game has begin so please begin posting Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:19, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

'''I need help bringing everyone back to VRR. Moreover, i think we should just hold onto Aragon and keep the Iberian peninsula as our playground. Any room for Sweden/Scandinavia? My plan is to resist Protestantism and remain Catholic that way our countries can be peaceful and allied. A unified Scandinavia is a strong Scandinavia. I plan (if possible) to join the HRE. I need help fighting the Russias(Muscovy, Novgorod,etc) IF they present a threat to unification. I also plan on making the Baltic an inner Swedish/Scandinavian Sea. Moreover, i intend on having colonies similar to those of otl England if possible if not i'll take whatever's there.AP (talk) 04:48, October 26, 2012 (UTC)'''

'''So i take it they won't do anything. Anyways we already allied to you lol. Uhm as for the colonial ambitions, that'll be hard because everyone is colonizing; not just me but a lot of other counntries. Denmark will be Scandinavian i'll hekp you outt in anything else. AP (talk) 05:08, October 26, 2012 (UTC) '''

'''Is it possible to buy a small coastal area in Aragon? Or maybe the Baleares? BTW what are we going to do in regards to Granada? I say that we should unify Spain using Aragon and kick the Muslims out, i have some other plans if you wish to hear them. AP (talk)King Erik III of Sweden or AP (talk) 03:15, October 28, 2012 (UTC)'''

AvAre
Québec agrees to have the American Dollar ($) as it's national currency. Québec offers trade deal to the USA. Wood, wood pulp, paper, iron ore, moose steaks, elk steaks and reindeer steaks are on offer. We offer an alliance with the USA.90.244.91.81 19:25, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Québec wishes to form alliances and a trade deals with grey Iceland, Haiti and the Dominican Republic. Is it OK with the mods, or do I need a Random number. org thing first.The River Nile-2 (talk) 19:08, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, i am Sweden. I am willing to hand Schleswig-Holstein to you if you help me take over all of Finland within a decade. I'll throw in help in another war if that offer wasnt enough lol. Now, how about my last offer? My expanding navy would like a small-relatively largeport in the Mediterranean. I offer to purchase a port in Aragon or the Baleares Islands.AP (talk) 19:12, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

Bro, talk to Lx. 3 way war?

Anyways, Muscovy will not be interested in that, apart from the mandatory military aid. Have fun.

Awesome way to piss off the Caliphate- use their talkpage to post your plans for what you're going to do when they fall. trololololololololol.

The Royal Guns (talk) 23:28, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

What's this with the Russians partaking in our venture next decade? I thought the deal was between you and me, for all of Schleswig and all of Finland respectively. I wont allow them to take more from Finland than what the Russians have in OTL.AP (talk) 03:01, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

I've been planning to restore the Ottoman Empire from the beginning of the game (just got caught up with Persia), and I already have an invasion force ready to march into Iraq, and I've already invaded Syria and Lebanon. You'll have fight me for whatever you want there. My suggestion would be to take Israel, Jordan, Yemen, Western Saudi Arabia, and whatever else is on your side of the canal. I plan to go into Kuwait after taking Iraq. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 19:21, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

But I'm already withdrawing from Persia. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 19:29, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

Funny bit about that is that I ended my invasion of Bulgaria a few turns back. So I suppose I'll go ahead with my invasion of Iraq in the next turn. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 19:33, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

Wait, I thought you were the United States? What happened? ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 00:26, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the congrats. Now I shall go on to take the world with my legion of edits. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 21:33, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

What's up with the random breaking of ties?AP (talk) 22:37, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

I shall overpower you in time... ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 22:54, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Way to help an ally. Why would you side with Scotland? They declared war on me, with a BS casus belli: "imaginary pirates threatening their shipping lanes." I don't understand this. I did NOT give you Schleswig-Holstein yet because our campaign in Finland has not begun, i would never give you something before i've received what our deal said i would get. AP (talk) 23:01, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. But I feel like Lurk will somehow find a way to pin it on me. I mean, he didnt make it a mod event; he just posted it during his turn in 1504. In fact not only did he make up the pirates as an excuse for war but he also made up that diplomatic meetings regarding the pirates "failed." Come on, that can't be right! And might i add that Norway is a part of Sweden who is a part of the larger Scandinavian Realm. They would surely beat Scotland in an algorithm or have at least tied/cut it close. They won by a pretty large margin which i thought was totally unfair.AP (talk) 23:15, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Bonjour, i'd like to let you know that our Finland campaign wont be necessary because i peacefully acquired Finland. Its better, i dont want Lurk or anyone else using that as an excuse to have them declare independence later on. Since no campaign took place, i'll throw in any help i can to you(need to fully recover from that civil war). In other news, i feel a threat from the Muslims and their Caliphate. I fear for our Russian friends. Why cant we unify most of Christendom like they are doing with the Umma? I want to do my part as a Catholic nation following the one true faith, i would like to possibly join the HRE. I have a plan for the Reformation, if youre worried about that. Let me know.AP (talk) 07:12, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

How did I do that? Anyway i dont understand why I cant join as Scandinavia. That would negate what i've been working on for years. If it doesnt work out I'll just ally myself to the other important states in the HRE(you, Austria, Bavaria, any others i'm forgetting).AP (talk) 22:40, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah i had a feeling that size would matter xD. Well if anything maybe i can join as some observer state? I think that I should just pursue excellent relations instead and ally with you guys. That way when teh Reformation comes, we'll obliterate the heretics and maintain the integrity of the one true faith.68.8.204.28 23:08, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Hey how do you put pictures in the Nation info box like on nation pages for PMII? I cant seem to do it.AP (talk) 04:09, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Napoleon's World (My Replies)
In this TL, the Mexican Cession includes Baja California, which becomes the state of Peninsula. France lands the first man on the moon (should be on the Timeline page in the 1970s), and the Eiffel Tour is the Eiffel Tower. It's not Paris without it.

I like your Mr. T idea, I will include it. So would this Alternative A-Team be set in the 1920s instead of the 1980s, I assume...?

KingSweden (talk) 00:39, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

When would the show have aired? 1980s? 1990s?

KingSweden (talk) 03:56, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Occurance
Just wikia messing with things again. Don't worry about it. Lordganon (talk) 04:13, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

A Darker Place
um can you put an underconstruction sign on the tl i want to make sure its not adopted or deleted, i havent been writing because im planning out and studying how things can turn out within the world im creating.along with studying historical people who would still exist at this point the tl and events that might happen the culture and all that. Nkbeeching

About your offer, i think that it would be better to actually have a way to define the colonies' borders.on North America, my minimal goal is basically to have part of New Enmgland and have a outlet to the great lakes, so i propose the Mohawk river, and the OPL border of Connecticut and Massachusetts with New York as the border for our colonies.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 14:26, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

1892 electoral college
Hey Scraw. I was hoping you could help me with the electoral college for the 1892 election in Nelson's Death.

Yeah. That's the right map. And yes, I want the numbers on the state. Thanks for doing it. Enclavehunter (talk) 20:39, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think the war in America concerns you really. But whatever. I have consulted LG and the others about the CSA and everything checked out fine. The Mexican states are only on the CSA side to rejoin Mexico/Aztlan. The Horse flu thing doesnt affect humans and all happened exactly as it is written in-game. The New York Stock Market crashed OTL and, given the war situation, would exacerbate a depression. I need to go, I'll see what happens if anything we have that new one to fall back on.AP (talk) 04:27, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

We need to settle on a border for our Antillian colonies. My colony, Nye Norge, is already in New York. However it has been expanding towards Lake Ontario and will circle around the Lakes and the St Lawrence to reach its expansion in Vermont. Basically, im going around the water's edge to connect to my Canadian colony. I don't want to cut off your expansion at the Hudson, especially since your colony is less than 5 years old and can only expand 50 sqkm a year. So thats what i'm gonna do. BTW Nye Norge already occupies north New jersey to prevent confusion. Get back to me please.AP (talk) 20:38, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry you have some fixation on New York, but thats not happening. I'll expand along the southern border to Lake Ontario but that's it. Portugal is my ally, and our heirs are married so that's not happening. Sorry, but you came a little too late to North America. "Calling" something doesnt work, anywhere. This isnt a firefight, so just please calm down a little. I try to kindly achieve a border treaty and you go off on me.AP (talk) 20:52, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

It's an extension of one colony, not another one. So yeah.AP (talk) 21:04, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Pennsylvania has a border with New York... And you can't vassalize Indian nations in one turn. AP (talk) 21:08, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

How about i dont expand into the New York Area? I don't want to compete with Portugal in Brazil. I feel a colonial war coming in Atlantia, with Castille and Burgundy in Brazil it'll only be worse...AP (talk) 21:16, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

I'll wait for it then. Expect King Erik of Scandinavia to be there! BTW Our kids are set to marry next turn as their both 15 right?AP (talk) 21:26, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Separate discussion:

I've been reading up on the Caliphate and I fear for Europe, seriously. Their "Mahdi" is set to come soon and they claim the Caliphate under his rule will be super expansionist, so say them. I'm guessing they mean north into Europe. That means Russia first, then me. What is the long term plan for them?AP (talk) 21:33, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Nope, not Russia. We have a treaty that I doubt they will break (sorta nonaggression). Anyway, Scandanavia is safe, as are you, scraw, and Andr (I specified that you two wouldn't be touched in a any such war, or for that matter most of the German HRE). When they go superexpansionist, they'll go east, then into the med. leaving all of us ready to pick up the pieces and double the size of our countries after they fall apart. The Royal Guns (talk) 23:28, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Antillian Division
where will it happen(by that I mean on what page)-Lx (leave me a message) 21:33, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Re:DFTBA
*Brain Explodes*

Um... wow! Not sure what to say, so let's start from the beginning.


 * Asia

Makes sense (I also have the Chinese being an Axis in Russian America). And depending on how positive the Russo-Japanese relations would be, I kinda doubt the Russians would just willingly give up their control of Manchuria without a fight (which the Russians lost OTL). But seeing Sakhalin being divided (which only happened because the Japanese won the Russo-Japanese War), then I can assume it did happen?

Mengjiang was a puppet-government propped by the Japanese and controlled by the Chinese, but was populated by Mongols. For simplicity, it was a Japanese puppet-government for Inner Mongolia (more or less). If Russia were to gain it, it would have been merged into Mongolia. I just came across the fact that the only reason that Inner Mongolia was not reunited with Outer Mongolia (i.e., Mongolia) was because both the Chinese and the Soviets were allies in WWII. So with China an Axis, the Soviets would want to unite the Mongols.

As for Uyghuristan, I would say the Russians may grab it. After all, it is part of Turkestan (so are Kazakhstan and all of Central Asia).


 * Russia

"Guberniya" means Governorate in Russia (which can be translated as Province in English). Your governorates for Russia look more like Soviet Republics rather than what became of the. Governorates are population-based, rather than the ethnic-based republics of the Soviet Union.

I am not familiar with most of the people you mentioned here, so I don't think I am any help towards Russia's chancellors.


 * United States

Looks quite good to me. I especially like the Greater Alaska. My only questions would be if Russia were to gain Hawaii ("M-Mr. Green, but house don't have feet.") and the Philippines (not to mention a bigger Alaska), why would they give it the the US? I would also add that Colorado and Utah should be added (Colorado was admitted because of Gold, and Utah was home to Mormons). The only other thing I would like to add is that "Cascadia" doesn't seem like a goof name for that state. The Cascades are centered around what you have as "Columbia." May I suggest "" or "" as an alternative?

As for the presidents, they seem okay to me. But I doubt Robert E. Lee would be president. First off, he was the part of the CSA. But if this has been accounted ATL, then may I add that he died in 1870. LOL.


 * Conclusion

That's all I can add to this. Sorry if I have disappointed you. TTFN. DFTBA. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 23:33, November 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Asia 2.0

Yep, the Russians had their eyes on Manchuria. Primarily for (which they called Dalny), and the fact that it would give Russia a year-round ice-free port for the Pacific Fleet. They also built the for the region. Russia also had their eyes on Korea, which lead to (which Russia lost, leading the way for Manchukuo).


 * Russia 2.0

It depends on what this Russia is. Now that I think about it, they could act much like the countries of the UK, or how the proposed would have worked. Name-wise, I couldn't say. Republic is out of the question (republics and monarchies don't mix). Maybe "state" or "krai," but it's up to you.

As for the chancellors you mentioned, I doubt Stalin would be chancellor, same for Rasputin (with regular Putin being a stretch).


 * USA 2.0

Well you did say "wait for it... the Russians," so I thought you were talking about Crash Course (Mongols DFTBA). Other than that, I guess this could work.

I see... so no "New Caledonia." Hm... maybe "New Vologda" (where Ivan Kuskov is from)? But since it's Russian, then maybe Cascadia isn't so bad.

Lee being part of the Union would be interesting (would make the war shorter for one). But he still dies a year after he takes office (from what you put in).


 * Conclusion 2.0

Glad I wasn't a disappointment. Also, who said that?

I am sorry, but I don't know what your signature means. Care to enlighten me?

Epic Rap Battles of History? Didn't they just do a rap between Doc Brown and Doctor Who? If this is what you are talking about, then I have indeed heard of them, but only recently. My sister showed me this video only recently... so yeah. Lol. *Nerdfighter solute* --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 00:47, November 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Asia 3.0

It's up to you.


 * Russia 3.0

Hm... from what you describe to me, it sounds like a constitutional monarchy with federation elements put in.

kinda means "territory" or "borderlands." During the Russian Empire, several governorates were organized into Krais. My guess would be that these Krais evolve into ethnic-based government within Russia. Think of it like how the UK is divided into. It is even believed the naming origin of the Ukraine is from the word (Ukraine).

Right, forgot about that aspect (you mentioned this before).


 * USA 3.0

When you mentioned Hawaii as being Russian, you said "wait for it...RUSSIANS!" I thought that you were referring to John's constant quotation "wait for it... the MONGOLS!" But whatever. ^^;

Beringia (or just Bering) could work, provided that Bering goes that far south (but that name seems more appropriate for the Bering Sea region). Maybe "Baranov" (after ), "Pavlovia" or "Pavel" (after, who helped establish Alaska as being Russian OTL), and maybe "Saint Herman" (after ). But that's all I got.

Not sure what to say about Oregon. But if America wanted it, America is going to get it.


 * Randomness 4.0

OMG... I know what you are talking about... sadly. That Hitler meme. Lol, nice one!

Oh really? Well I just subscribed to them, so let's wait and see. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 01:39, November 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Asia Resurrection

Okay...


 * Russia Resurrection

Oh stupid me *slaps forehead* I completely forgot about this being Peter's doing. But... I am so confused. If you would like, can you explain how Russia evolved? Because here is how I see it.

With Peter the Great being liberal, he still divided Russia into Governorates (which are only regional and still controlled from a central government). As time progresses, Russia becomes a federation, with the governorates being combined into ethnic-based Krais. If I am wrong, please correct me.


 * America... Fuck Yeah!

Don't divide Alaska!

Baranovia is okay. If you are now looking for a new name for Columbia... than now is your chance to use Cascadia.


 * Randomness x 105

Really? Nice! All I ever did in school was play the trombone. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 02:18, November 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Argh!!!

Well, glad I could help. Glad I got Russia right, so governorates or krais will work. Other than that, can't wait to see how it turns out. Also (before I forget), congratulations on 100 pages. ^_^ --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 02:26, November 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the video. Also, question. When did Russia develop to become a federation? I am talking with a friends who may be able to help out what to call the subdivisions of Russia. But he needs a rough date when it happened (since you seem to be telling me that it happened after Peter the Great's reforms). --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 03:35, November 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Rally? Nice. I made this (random, but I guess worth showing). I don't mind being the middle man, but it's up to you. I will make mention of the date to him, and you can decide whether to take my place. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 03:50, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know why, but when you said "Sweden" and "Russia," all I think of is the Crash Course episode showing a Russian and a Swede arguing over Kiev (LOL). Otherwise, I am not an expert on Sweden to really give a good answer. Aside from land and coastline, why would the Russian's want a bunch of Swedes to now govern. However, given that Russia and Denmark were allies (I believe by this time), it might be of interest to consider a Dano-Russian alliance in such a war. Besides that, not too sure what to think. Definitely interesting. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 04:17, November 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the delayed response. If you don't mind me saying, your flags for Baranov and Alaska seem too... complex and busy for my liking. Off the top of my head, I would believe that Alaska's flag (if trying to avoid Benny Benson's flag) should be based on the Russian-American flag. I do remember a flag I came across months ago, which was the RAC flag with gold instead of red (representing the gold in the region, which may be much better for this Alaska). Here's the link for it. Not sure what to say for Baranov, maybe something playing off of the flag for the (where Baranov was from, which would just mean a variant of St. Andrew's Cross), but I don't have any ideas of the top of my head. But either way, it's up to you. As for Greece (before I forget), it depends on what Greece is. Maybe something like Greece's original flag . As for your tricolor idea, I have no idea either, lol. Hope this helps. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 05:15, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

HRE
Hey BAvaria plans on establishing a colony in as of yet unclaimed OTL south Carolina. How would i do that exactly? Also do you have any plans for the future of the HRE and stuff? I'm interseted becuae we haven't talked recently about anything. Next election cycle Bavaria may back Brandenburg IDK yet.Andr3w777 (talk) 23:43, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Brandenburg Empire
Not a problem, ever heard of the Delhi sultanate? Controlled practically all India for 50 fucking years from the massively far north. No where close to most of the Empire. Any way, if any one complains, there's a green day song I think will help you, so just Let yourself go. The Royal Guns (talk) 23:53, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, well, when I said far north... that's a little too far. Out of curiosity, exactly how are your ships and orders reaching there?

And what the hell is your signature? The Royal Guns (talk) 23:53, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

remind me how i forgot lol.Andr3w777 (talk) 00:01, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I love those, lol. What's the star wars thing, though? The Royal Guns (talk) 00:06, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

OHH.

What does 'Syngrafeas..' mean, then? The Royal Guns (talk) 00:49, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Yay for stupidity, lol (about me). The Royal Guns (talk) 00:49, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

AvARe
theres something thats bugging me so many players are joining all at once and ive never seen them before i smell sock puppets but im not sure please look into it.

china, italy, great britain, and spain are the nations i think are puppets. Nkbeeching

no worries thats called being a fellow member of the society right ?

also i just remembered want to offiacially join my timeline a darker place, i could use the spell check, the help with creating the pages and making them nice, but most importantly, im starting the russian timeline soon and i could use some help i have a rough idea but i could use someone elses help ill add you to the list of people in the timeline and give the proper credit, but on the topic of writing the actually story and timeline ill be the one that does that but for ideas and putting it together id love the help. Nkbeeching

AvaRe plans. I'll have alot to do since im the only non-player mod, with the war on Turkey coming soon(Pita asked me to, just saying in case you didnt see my post lol). I plan on having the East Arabian, Iraqi, Azeri, and Persian states welcome the invaders and rebel against Turkey on the grounds that they invaded them and all because no matter what Turkey believes-- they hate Turkey. I'll also have some retconning to do, you know how he is. He'll probably bomb Washington and Tokyo as soon as he realizes he was way in over his head. Ideas? Concerns? I want this to be a legit war, so none of you will have it easy. Turkey is a barren wasteland but the liberators will have to go through that barren wasteland lol.AP (talk) 08:18, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Alert
Yeah, that's one's a touch obvious. Blocked for a few days, figure we can see who it is after that when they freak out. Block them for good after that. Lordganon (talk) 03:25, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

Bengal
Have you allied with them? The Royal Guns (talk) 00:48, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Scratch that, just got confirmation. Take a look at my talkpage, Lx's, Viva's, and Imp's, and change your mind. This could screw with the Solid Europe thing. Bengal is with the Caliphate. Just saying. The Royal Guns (talk) 01:13, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Good. Please REFRAIN. This could screw with all our plans for a LONG time. The Royal Guns (talk) 01:15, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Also, the Caliphate is attacking a felow Christian nation. Make a couple of noises in the HRE, please? we need to time the 'events' perfectly. The Royal Guns (talk) 01:16, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought the name 'HINDUstan' might tip one off, lol.

zAnyhoo. Get caught up on these plans. Shift is going down. The Royal Guns (talk) 01:18, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Man you have no idea how much of a good sign this is for me! Thanks man! I have accepted your offer and would like to get trading and business soon started. I wouldn't mind if you would help me against Bengal :). But I'll only ask for your help if things look bad. Is that fine with you? :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 12:19, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

I have threatened the enemy by saying if they get any aid from its allies, I will get aid too, because it looks like Von is going to aid them. :L Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:16, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Wow! Really? Then I must ensure you get an enclave of land after the war in Bengal, lol. I got confused for a moment cause Brandenburg is where OTl Prussia would be, lol. I would be Team Himachal, but I'm uunsure about guns, lol! :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 00:39, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

I got a feeling he's more team Chennai! :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:51, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I am in need of your help, but I don't know if you sending help and it reaching me would be very plausible. The most I can do is send you guys a message about our plight and you to pressure the Caphilate into stoping any of their member nations from attacking me. So, yeah. :/ Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:44, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Hindustan has the stronest navy on the sub-continent. But right now, I need more than 25 alliance points! :/ Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:11, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

Team Chennai, bro! MOOHAHAHAHAHA!

By the way, Scraw, So far I've seen you say you're part:

-Russian

-Indian

-African

-Chinese

Anything you're NOT part?

1526, get ready. The Royal Guns (talk) 23:19, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

Also, get a damn vote in the HRE for 'possible actions of Aggression against the DME', make it vague, make it sound like it has a bark, not a bite. You have Venice. You need Milan. Bavaria is against you. This war is over if you don't get that agreement. The Royal Guns (talk) 23:48, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

But didn't you tell me that...

Whatever, I don't really want to know.

The Royal Guns (talk) 19:17, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

On the North Republic...
Greenland is mostly socialist. The USA has done nothing during the time I have been playing to help us. Japan has. We have good relations with the USA through our friends Quebec. However if you look at politics in both Iceland and Greenland it seems that it is mostly left-wing. It is barely ten years since McCarthyism.Besides which I am allowed to be 'diplomatic' when communicating as the North Republic. So no I don't think it is 'Retarded' at all. When I write Secret it means Stop Here any Casual Readers. Thank you for pointing out your opinion and trying to correct what you think is an error. However I am going to stick to my research on this one. David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk)

So Emperor Wilhelm is almost 70 years old. I plan on having him die in the next few years, do you have anybody to reconmend for the Imperial throne. King Adame of Bavaria is old, his son is too young to rule, and there are no other Bavarian nobles that are qaulified enough to run for Emperor. If you've a suitable candidate let me kow please. (give me plenty of details if you would.) FEGELEIN! FEGELEIN! FEGELEIN! (love those Hitler parodies, never get tired of them)Andr3w777 (talk) 19:53, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, sorry about the whole Hindustan/Bengal mix-up. Anyways, what's going on with the Caliphate? I've been moving back and forth through talk pages and I still dont get it...

On an unrelated note: Do you remember that game, Lobositzs Lamentable Loss? I was reading up on it and i had to explode. SPAIN CONQUERED THE BALKANS FROM THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE. THEY ALSO DEFEATED NAPOLEONIC FRANCE AND ANNEXED TOULOUSE, BEARN, ETC BASICALLY SOUTHERN FRANCE. THEN THEY CONQUERED THE ITALIAN PENINSULA! This was so ridiculous, I had to tell someone. BTW these wars happened at around teh same time!

Another unrelated note: You're Indian? Cool. Since we're talking lineage, I(and by I, I mean my retired grandfather) have been doing research on my family tree. Turns out I am very distantly related to the Habsburg-Lorraine family. I'm pretty sure I'ts that one, but I might be wrong. TEAM AUSTRIA, TEAM VIENNA, TEAM BORDEAUX,TEAM LIMA, TEAM SAN DIEGO!AP (talk) 02:00, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

CA Flag
Hey Scraw. I looked on the internet and on other wiki's and could not find a map of the California flag you requested. Sorry, but I'll keep a look out for one. Enclavehunter (talk) 04:50, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

PMII
Rest assured, Mr. Brandenburg, for as all of Japan promises that your trades and relations with the former Ashikaga will be left alone and is continued on. Don't need to worry about Japan and don't have to be sorry, as the Sengoku parallel had been planned for a while and was going to happen regardless. :] -Kogasa 2012年11月20日 08:56:38 (JST)

Well Great One, its called a Naval Strike Missile. Look it up, cause I don't want anyone else knowing about it. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 01:00, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I was pissed off at my father, and then I saw that post, wasn't thinking clearly. Won't happen again. You see my ultimate plan was for Bavaria to become Kappelist later, but I can't do that if my #1 ally wants to nuke me over it(just a figure of speech) so I'm frustrated because i'm in a position where I need allies, because if i do this I will public enemy number 1. I'm trying to screw with history, historically Bavaria was so Catholic that the reformation never penetrated the region. I rely on other people to ferry my colonists, I need my own coastline, there are a lot of issues, I won't war with the Caliphate because i'm much closer geographiclly than you and thus at a greater risk of invasion. As for the Emepror, the post before showed him going delusional, now he is dead, problem solved, did it on purpose. I have a deal

1. Bavaria will eventually become Kappelist(probably right after the fall of the DME)

2. Brandenburg will remain an ally, and is given permission to send peaceful missionaries to try to convert some.

3. no more persecution i.e don't kill them, send them off but don't kill them

4. If I am forced to leave the HRE, I want to have an assurance I won't be attacked(note this is a precaution it will hopefully be unnessassary.

If I forgot anything, or you want to add please do so. Once again I apologize for my rashness, I think it is safe to say that I am normally a fairly level headed player. Next time, message me first so I won't be shocked k Sorry dudeAndr3w777 (talk) 14:59, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Absolutely free- that is, for 500,000 people- limited time offer!
The new limited time offer from Russia is out!

If you send us all your Kappelist miscreants, we'll take them, thus stabilizing your nation AND increasing our population!

But thats not all! If you call now, We'll DOUBLE the offer, taking all the Kappelists who have been shipped off to your colonies too!

What's more, this is absolutely free (minus shipping and handling), except for a small price of 500,000 people!

In addition, you can pay over time! Send your people over a period of 10 years! Also, You doin't have to pay for the first 12 months!

Call now, at Guns' Talkpage!

(Must be 18 months or older to call.)

The Royal Guns (talk) 20:33, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Brandenburgish-Dme treaty
it isn't a smart idea.


 * Well just Europe now, India is ours; however they may strike while we fight in the Maghreb though. TBH Russia is more of a threat then Europe in my opinion. The Byzantine player dare not bother after his last disastrous attempt at war against us and the HRE is in turmoil. However Venice, Naples and Castile remain threats; albeit not as much as Russian states. Let it be known I don't trust those Russian dogs one bit! Never have, never will. Opportunists is all they are, with a blatant disregard for plausibility and honour!
 * Hmmmph, its just about being able to take them on, one at a time: all at once and our enemies beat us, but we can take on the individual factions easily. I see this as a way to allow us to take on our enemies individually but it also provides the Russians with the opportunity of us relaxing our defences as we focus on the others, and then bamm! they stab us in our backs while we fight the other Europeans and African nations. VonGlusenburg <sup style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:super;font-size:11px;line-height:0;">(talk to Von!) 02:47, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * The Royal Guns (talk) 23:25, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Did you not read the quote from the DME talkpage? Seriously? And, come on! Why do you want to slaughter them? This is a win-win! The Royal Guns (talk) 23:32, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

maybe this will make things clearer.

Hmmmph, its just about being able to take them on, one at a time: all at once and our enemies beat us, but we can take on the individual factions easily.

The Royal Guns (talk) 23:41, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

^Yeah I don't think we'll reach Brandenburg when we invade Europe, so all he has to do is hold-fire & wait for us to collapse, then it'll be really easy for Brandenburg to expand into all the little successor states rebelling away from the Caliphate. You want to be telling this to the Algerians lol. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 15:04, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

^^ Yeah, true enough. Wwll, I'll just spend the next 15 years in conquest, then the next 20 after that developing infrastructure from Poland and Muscovy (and, hopefully, Novgorod.) And then that + 135 advantage will be crushed by the Mahdi.

But not THAT badly. The Royal Guns (talk) 20:34, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

No! I understand this, I am doing the politicain thing! Its apart of my plan to force Bavaria Kappelianist. It is only temporary I assure you. Think of it like the OTL Boston Massacre, which only killed 5, yet the presses made it out alot worse than it is. Perhaps I should have let you know before hand. But trust me, it is just to play Bavaria into that direction. :)Andr3w777 (talk) 01:58, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

The reason why i am doing all this is to A) get the regent killed, B) usher in a Kappelian government. I was hoping others would follow. But that really was my plan. If it pissed you off I apologize, T'was not my intention. He needed a bad guy and it just sorta fit. I neede something sensationalist. Now, is there anything you would like me to do? We are still allies I presume? As all this was merely a interal power play. I'm open to any suggestions, you do tend to have good ones.Andr3w777 (talk) 02:04, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

States of America Reloaded
What happened??

Since the PMII thing is slowly beginning to wear off (like, say, with Initium Novum), other map games will become more popular. Maybe we should reboot it? The Royal Guns (talk) 20:20, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

very interesting... How should Bavaria play this, we will have our reformation, but how should our policies toward Brandenburg be. i.e how will Brandenburg react to one of its closest allies going "heretic"Andr3w777 (talk) 23:50, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

Apocalypse:2012
Basically I wish to make a post-nuclear war world with the nuclear war occurring on 21/22 December 2012. Would you be interested in finding sites between DC and Maine on the East Coast that would be likely to have been hit by Russia if nuclear war occurred? And then you would also be in charge of organizing the states that emerge there after the war. Scandinator (talk) 00:01, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Well, the main civilian and government centres would obviously be attacked. What I need your help with is the military installations in those areas. That is info which is much harder for me to find than for you.? Scandinator (talk) 00:38, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Okay so here is my question? Can the Empire kick out members on account of religion? Because I disticntly remembered putting a clause in about outher forms of Christianity that would be tolerated, I thought the removal thing was if I ever attacked a fellow nation, or became Islamic or something. No matter, I have seceded from the Empire and brought all my stuff with me. I am not war like and have plans to become the Switzerland of the world. At the current time, an alliance is not possible I presume due to the hatred of your Catholic nation, but perhaps it can be restored later. I don't want conflict, Russia Still backs me, as does Venice, Milan and Genoa, Naples, Calais, and England, so I still have sudstantial allies in the region. (not mad at you or anything) What is your plan after this?Andr3w777 (talk) 16:50, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

So I've noticed.... Let it be known that the Holy Roman Empire is an Illusion, you are not free. We Will FIGHT HIEL BAVARIA!!!!!Andr3w777 (talk) 16:56, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

You do know that I am doing what the mods wanted right? A Kappelist state, the Reformation was supposed to be big like OTL. Anyway, you will clearly beat me unless things change, What will be the outcome O Wise and Decedent Ruler? Will you smite me from the Earth, or force servitude? hmm do tell.....Andr3w777 (talk) 17:12, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Wait an independence referendum, I could do that? If so I may go forward with that, the turn isn't quite done. All I want is to be left alone, and am willing to persue that route, a declared secession because I thought you were going to invade anyway, I'll pay reparations if need be, if there be a proper course i would persue this first. Andr3w777 (talk) 20:35, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

very funny. I'm being serious. But I have decided to go up on your offer of retconning everything. We will try to work it out, first we will try to get recognision, if that fails we will petition for peaceful secession. We only want to live in Peace. We don't want war, we are willing to stay in the Empire and even limit the spread of Kappelianism as long as we are left alone to attend to our affairs. We have done no harm, as Christians you treat us worse than Jews, even Muslims! Please leave us be.Andr3w777 (talk) 21:41, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

This war is tough. I am entangled in alliances. I am allied to Brandenburg, (i think Bavaria too?), Venice, Castille, Russia, and England. I this upcoming inevitable war, i would have to dishonor one alliance. I am not sure what my next move is.--AP

Hmm, for how long though? Lurk wants the Reformation to hit it off and he chose Bavaria to be the starting point, I'm not sure renouncing would look too good. I don't want war, I? honestly don't get why the Empire is being so hostile. In OTL there was persecution ja but the states that accepted it were mostly let alone. Also are you sure Scandinavia would get involved. All I want is freedom, a stalemate would still more or less grant me that. I don't want to, but what options do i have as the Kappel Flagship I can't just up and abandon it publically, People need to see my resistance in order for the Reformation to take off. I've stated my desires. Just leave us be and there will be no economically devestating war that would probably collapse both the HRE and DME.Andr3w777 (talk) 22:02, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

hmm maybe, Thuringia was the first openly Kappelist state. Kappelianism has been seeping into Bavaria for almost a decade, with the Bavarian Empreor gone, who's supposed to stop the chaos? That was sort of the reason why I had events play out like they did, I wanted there to be a time where I believed that Bavaria could get away with it, with the staunchly Catholic King, Lord-Regent and the Emperor gone, it seemed like the perfect time, I failed to take into account Brandenburg and the Chancellor(whom I voted for) We don't want to leave the Empire, we just want our relgion recognised, what I could do however is declare a secular state, this would allow Cathoilcs, Kappelist, Jews and Muslims to worship freely, however I'm certain is Poplieness would have something to say about it. Let me think on it some.Andr3w777 (talk) 22:16, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

it sounds agreeable for now, who is the new Emperor? I have asked that an election take place soon. What guarantee do I have that Bavaria will be allowed to do as it pleases in 7ish years or so?Andr3w777 (talk) 22:19, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

A Brandenburgish Pope? or Papal um, well you know, THE THING? Andr3w777 (talk) 22:22, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Scraw, the phrase 'what the fuck were you doing while I was out' springs to mind. 2 days, and I miss all the fun.

so does 'I'll have to support Bavaria if you attack them because you, though a closer ally, were the aggressor'.

The Royal Guns (talk) 14:29, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

... They rebelled? That's not what I understood. What I got was that you were pissing on Bavaria for being tolerant.?

That said, the Caliphate attacks on Bavaria's side, and you've got Russia. I'm kinda hoping they do =D

The Royal Guns (talk) 22:19, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Andr wouldn't get the shit kicked out of him. HRE already proved they know how to get their asses kicked by the Caliphate, now half the damn thing's collapsing, and as far as them bastards know, Russia is with them (just for clarification, them bastards refers to the Caliphate). We are with them, if them is Bavaria without the Caliphate.?

No matter. Punish Bavaria a bit in the peace deal, would you? I saw that Andr went and whined to the DME.?

The Royal Guns (talk) 23:01, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Scraw. Seriously. Hitler parodies are funny. HISHE is hilarious. ERB is dead. It was funny while it lasted. It died. Let it Rest in Peace.? The Royal Guns (talk) 23:07, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Words cannot express what I'm trying to say here, but 'shut up, you tasteless freak' seems to describe my feelings pretty well. The Roman Empire's population was highest before it's fall, and I'm sure some prick said the same thing about the car versus the carriage. HISHE is art. ERB was art. No longer (I liked the Mr. Roger one =D)

Hey, by the way... you know anything much about exactly what Scan is doing in Apoc 2012?

The Royal Guns (talk) 23:16, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

You dsappoint. *collapses, sobbing at a world in which art is not appreciated.* *Bangs head on computer till death* *People crying and commiting suicide at cremation* *Worldwide day of mourning* *Nuclear armed countries detonate nuclear weapons in gesture of respect* *nuke in transport to detonation site accidentally explodes in NY* *Worldwide nuclear war* *Aliens watching are shocked by war on Earth and accidentally run into sun, dying in the process* *Alien Empires accuse each other of the destruction of the ship, and destroy the galaxy* *Intergalactic superbeing suicide cult suddenly gains lots of members due to the destruction of the galaxy* *Said suicide cult wins intergalactic elections due ? to hundreds of trillions of new members* *Suicide cult detonates doomsday device and releases massive amounts of entropy* *Heat Death of the universe* *Dark matter floods into universe causing Big Crunch* *New universe forms* *Solar system forms* *Dinosaurs wiped out by asteroid* *Guns kills self due to death of art in the world...*

The Royal Guns (talk) 23:59, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Where was Orientalia situated for curiosities sake? I may create a small Kingdom in the region who came to power using technology they took from your colonists and perhaps even breeding with the colonists... <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 01:31, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Okay well I've give them a small Kingdom on the southern tip of then. Dump some more people there but give them more weapons to defend themselves. Not sure if they could take out Korea though :P <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 13:14, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

.....

You're so heartless. Would it help if I noted that worldwide nuclear war would kill you too?

The Royal Guns (talk) 20:36, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, it's an althist. Give me some credit for intelligence.

The Royal Guns (talk) 20:01, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, I was looking through my talk page for something, and I came across your second apology for the arguments we had. Well, I sorry as well, and I'm happy that you said so a second time. And I agree, it is nice to know we're not like that anymore. :) Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 17:26, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

Medieval World
It begins today!

Cosman246 (talk) 20:35, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know, I haven't really planned anything, why? I am toeing the line until i can do what i must. I merely am sympathetic toward them.Andr3w777 (talk) 00:46, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

Hey what is yor idea for the abbisd caliphate in medieval? Also, how would i reasonable expand my territory, am I doing good just listing as it is black? Also, since at this time, the Rus was not Christian.... could I maybe change events and put in place a muslim nation instead, cause that will totally mess with historyAndr3w777 (talk) 00:18, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

agreed. I've alway wanted to majorly screw with history like that, Imagine a modern Russia as a muslim nation, oh the irony! Also about the thing in PM, I admit it was stupid and irrational, sorry. Let call truce, I didnt mean to piss on everybody.Andr3w777 (talk) 00:25, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

I've responded to your concerns Cosman246 (talk) 04:17, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

The next turn has begun, sorry it's late Cosman246 (talk) 09:23, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

College Pick'em
Yeah absolutely! Here are the games to be picked from:

NCAA Division I National Championship (Citrus Bowl)

1 Cuba Spaniards (13-0) vs. 2 Texas Longhorns (13-0)

Sugar Bowl

16 Kahokia Thundering Herd (10-3) vs. 8 Texas A&M Aggies (11-1)

Manhattan Bowl

12 Iowa Hawkeyes (10-2) vs. 13 Pittsburgh Panthers (10-2)

Rose Bowl

4 Washington Huskies (12-1) vs. 7 Ohio State Buckeyes (11-2)

Orange Bowl

13 San Diego Tritons (10-2) vs. 6 South Carolina Gamecocks (11-1)

Silver Bowl

18 Huron Highlanders (9-3) vs. 3 Sequoyah Braves (12-1)

Peach Bowl

14 Alabama Crimson Tide (10-3) vs. 19 Virginia Cavaliers (9-4)

Texas Bowl

5 Pacifica Orcas (11-1) vs. 10 Massachusetts Minutemen (10-2)

Chicago Bowl

11 Notre Dame Fighting Irish (10-3) vs. 15 Louisiana Pelicans (10-2)

Paradise Bowl

17 Fresno State Bulldogs (13-0) vs. 9 Peninsula Raptors (11-2)

Idk how much you follow sports, but something to keep in mind... whatever the real teams have done in OTL has NO bearing on what happens in NW (some of these teams don't even exist). This is really just for fun.

KingSweden (talk) 01:55, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Medieval World
I don't really care about this game, I only want to see the Muslim dominance that occured during the Dark Ages to remain. In a way, keep Europe in the dark. I want to transfer control of my nation to you so when we actually have a border we can unite. What I want to do first is conquer the Kingdom of Leon which is the only Spanish nation left on the peninsula. The rest is up to you but keep it Russian Federation-style(PMII) that way if I want to keep playing then I will.AP (talk) 03:25, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

Do you Want to join Carpe,Diem Carpe Mundrum Revied (Map Game) Warman555

Conclave
as you know We need a new emperor, for that i have enter the votation, and i wished that you voted for my character, to be the new emperor of the HRE, due to his experience with religious conflict, i would appreciate if you do so, thanks for your  attention Sine dei gloriem (talk) 02:12, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

they can ignore it if they want and i think someone did the same for me, last time, but i forgot who and i'm lazy to look for something useless right now Sine dei gloriem (talk) 02:39, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

METAGAMERS WILL BE SHOT

Hey, with this civil war looming we should discuss our plans. Slesvig-Holsten(Schleswig-Holstein in Danish) borders Mecklenburg(i think or at least some Kappelist state) so i think that will be an invasion point. However there is the question of the Russians. They said they would aid the Kappelists so i fear they'll turn on me if the war breaks out even though we have a trading agreement/an alliance. You can respond later, I'm logging out now.AP (talk) 03:37, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

We do not support the Kappelists. Unless all our allies go Kappelist. That said, we will join on the side of the defender IF any of our allies eg, Bavaria, is attacked (as in, you specifically go to war with them alone. If it's part of a wider civil war, you can duke it out yourselves, and we'll only join if one of our allies looks like it will suffer a massive defeat.)

The Royal Guns (talk) 20:15, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, I see you're losing on the Conclave page. If it's any help, you can put the Russia (well, this half anyway, and the probably the other half) supports you. Also, point out that if you guys don't wage war, the mods will do it for you, and it will be infinitely worse and more painful than if you just declare war, because they will rip every single nation there that loses to shreds (and it might be you Catholics.) The Royal Guns (talk) 20:34, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

So, Ludwig was not declared Emperor.... Where do we go from here? Do i continue with my plan?Andr3w777 (talk) 20:01, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

PMII War
Where is the war going to start?, you have power in the Empire, you should order the Catholic non-player nations to start the war, then the war will start (the mods surely will say yes), no matter what the other players will do. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 00:26, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Kappelist!, surrounded by catholic nations. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 00:29, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Is Austria kappelists right?, cause if it is kappelist then Venice is the one in trouble especially if continues fightint Naples. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 00:45, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Australasian flag
Would you mind posting the flag of Australasia? I'm thinking of using it for my own timeline Truteal (talk) 03:40, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Question: Where was Alexander Hamilton born in your TL?

Another: When is that November 5th plot happening? Me and Venice are conspiring against Naples...AP (talk) 05:02, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah. Me and Venice were discussing liberation of Bosnia/Serbia in exchane for revolt from Naples, same with Granada but we'll turn them into a joint vassal.AP (talk) 05:06, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

AVAre
I have no problem with Zaïre or it's player, but he's growing his land a tad too fast and the CAR has no ATL/OTL exspationist goals OTL/ATL beyond a bit of tribal stuff with Gbaya tribal groups in the Cameroon. I plan for an African land of plenty, happy getting rich digging diamonds and minerals in the 1990's. Northern Angola and Cabinda are Kikongo, and so would like to join Zaïre and I would not mined so since Zaïre is right on this, but southern and central people like the Herera and Omivambu are not closely related and would fight an expansionist Zaire. South Africa had Namibia as a colony until 1991. Chad should fall apart and devide, with Libya trying to take the Azuose Strip and hopeing annex the Islamic north as in OTL. 90.244.86.10 20:07, December 20, 2012 (UTC)R. Beal

''' These links prove my case in Chad and Camaroon. '''-


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Chad
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Chad
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chadic_languages
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Chad#Ethnic_groups
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maban_languages
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngbandi_languages
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sango
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngbandi_people
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakoma_people
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%27Baka
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngbaka_Ma%27bo
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Cameroon
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nigeria_Benin_Kamerun_Sprachen.png
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gbaya_people
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gbaya_languages
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Cameroon
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nigeria_Benin_Kamerun_Sprachen.png
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngbandi_languages
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sango
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngbandi_people
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakoma_people
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%27Baka
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngbaka_Ma%27bo

90.244.86.10 21:35, December 20, 2012 (UTC)R Beal.

1980.5
I have no problem with Zaïre or it's player, but he's growing a tad too much for the Africans to feal safe with. The CAR has no ATL/OTL exspationist goals OTL/ATL beyond a bit of tribal stuff with Gbaya tribal groups in the Cameroon. I'm staring up the CAR propaganda mill again in 1980.5 and hoping you will let me annex the Gbaya tribal zone after subverting it in 1981.90.244.92.253 03:04, December 25, 2012 (UTC) Proof from Wikipedia on the tribal thingy-
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gbaya_people
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gbaya_languages
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nigeria_Benin_Kamerun_Sprachen.png

Stirlings
Still rather early - people are busy with Christmas stuff, etc. right now. We got a lot of our nominations last year afterwards.

Would like to see more, of course, right now. How about you do some? ;)

Lordganon (talk) 05:10, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

All with good reason. The mods kinda ruined some of it for us, since we were going to make a condition of our victory be the transferring of vassalage (Incan Empire to us). Granada is strategic to hold, and with the Spains divided nothing could really stand in our way.AP (talk) 05:15, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

More than a few, and by the end, I'll likely have made a nomination in each category.

I'd love it if you made more.

Lordganon (talk) 11:16, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

A2012
Are you still in? If so, could we all have a meeting on the Talkpage, to get the timeline going? The apocalypse has occurred! The Royal Guns (talk) 20:52, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

Map Game Wiki
hi, Scraw i would like to know if you would be willing to Come and Play in Map Game wiki any kind of Game you want, as i Want to Re activate the Map game wiki as an alternative way to the Althistory one, it would be also a good place to Make any sort of Map game project you might want Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:22, December 23, 2012 (UTC) http://mapgame.wikia.com/wiki/Map_Game_Wiki, and i know this is spam but i think that it is for a good cause, so...

Medieval World
I'm writing here just in case you didnt see on the main page. All of the North African states up to Tunisia's eastern border have been vassalized or are allied to us and will later be vassals. After all that is done, we need to figure out a way to destroy the backward Europeans and their christianness. I plan on assaulting the Kingdom of Leon to finish my conquest of Iberia (cool name idea?) which will provoke West Frankia into attacking. Call it a premonition but i have a feeling that the Byzantines will try to invade you soon too. Call me a copycat but i want to form a Caliphate-like nation so we can join up sometime soon and put Europe under our feet.AP (talk) 01:47, December 24, 2012 (UTC)

Excellent. With the Byzantines "discovering" gunpowder we need to be on edge, as implausible as Sine is and all that. The plans for the conquest of North Africa are already in motion, all i need to do is expand into a small piece of unorganized Bedouin land to share a border with you at the former Tulunid Emirate. My influence is slowly seeping into Europe(I.E in the future i will inherit the muslim emirate in Sicily and I'm already in Europe, lol). All we need to do is give you European influence, so defeating the Byzantines is a goal for the end of the century. As for the marriage, i'll marry the only daughter of my Emir since there can't be any Emirettes by law lol.AP (talk) 02:05, December 24, 2012 (UTC)

PMII
Go ahead. And add Poland to the leaders too. The Royal Guns (talk) 16:49, December 24, 2012 (UTC)

A Darker place : Russian TL
ive started eastern europe. im hoping to keep the ruriks in power but i will include a civil war between the tsar and the boyers can you provide me with some help here.

Secret Diplomacy
Are you tired of Burgundy?AP (talk) 22:03, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

Good. They're overextended anyway. What if they don't secede though?AP (talk) 03:14, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

WWII Question
You seem like a pretty friendly guy and it says you're a WWII expert, so here goes. I'm thinking of doing a timeline based on Hitler being shot and killed in the First World War. I've heard a lot about how even without Hitler, someone like him would have risen up regardless. This seems likely. I was wondering if you think this is plausible and if so, who it would be? Would the Nazi Party still be responsible, considering Hitler was the one who practically rebuilt it? Would it be another nationalist party, or possibly Communists? If you could answer any of these questions or point me out to someone who can, I'd be very grateful. Thanks in advance! Doctor Evulz (talk) 04:06, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you a lot! Good luck with Best New Contributor.

Doctor Evulz (talk) 04:33, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, I was wondering if I could ask you a favour: Could you perhaps post on PMII for the Wettin Lands for me? My iPad is being annoying and doesn't load the page past 1562, I'm on holiday and away from my PC, so I can't post on PMII. Thanks, Callumthered (talk) 00:53, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, probably for a fair few turns. I am really indebted to you for this. Callumthered (talk)

Yeah sure, I believe our royals are loosely related, so go ahead. Also, if the Catholic-Kappelist War starts, the WL would like to invade Altmark. Thanks again for this. Callumthered (talk)

I need to know what is going on exactly with europe, kappelists and such, also what is up with the IMG? it is chaired by Bavaria, but is still a private, independent business, it has never been directly ruled by Bavaria since the late 14, early 15 hundredsAndr3w777 (talk) 00:27, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

k got it, now that we are closer to hour zero(when i begin) how will things work, i know i declare independence and become a pro kappelist state, but what of my current catholic alliances?Andr3w777 (talk) 02:01, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

FTBW
I would like to thank you for the nomination of French Trafalgar, British Waterloo for the Stirling Awards this year. It's still a long way from done, but the broad overview of the story is finished.

With that, I would like to offer you the chance to help me with it. University and life has been getting in the way of me spending as much time as I have, but with your interests, I'm sure you would be a great help to me in fleshing out the world more than what I have done so far. As well, you seem pretty good at photo shopping, and I'm, well, not. If you would like to help, please let me know!

Lieut. Tbguy1992: Profile; Talk 23:01, December 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Pretty much. If it's not explicitly states somewhere in the "Main" articles (the ones with dates, ex: French Trafalgar, British Waterloo (1805-1831), its open for change/revision/edit/alternate historification. If you have any questions, ask, and I will answer as soon as possible. If there are some things in the main articles that don't make sense, let me know.


 * As for Photoshopped pictures, if you find something anywhere that looks like it could use a picture, make it and show it, and I will okay it. If you know sports, movies, television or music, feel free to start working with it. Except for video games, I never was much of a cultural savant lol.


 * Lieut. Tbguy1992: Profile; Talk 04:31, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

Stronger Latinoamerica
hi scraw, could you tell me what is the most asb-biased part of my timeline, so i can change it without changing the premise of the TL Stronger Latinoamerica  Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:46, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

well, mexico is going to break up but later in a similar way to the american civil war, lousiana falls to the spanish in 1815 after another attempt of reconquest,Oregon would become part of the british empire, and that should be plausible because i've seen many cases in tl that the british have it, and the Latinoamerican nations can be world power but would face harder situations than america, but it is possible considering many have resources to be world powers and the Florida is a Dominion of the spanish who still domain argentina, so even if the spanish didn't had the massive empire they should still be capable of sustaining the colony Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:55, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

Napoleonic Europe Revised!
Hey I made the Third Napoleonic Europe Map Game!Napoleonic Europe Revised! (Map Game)The old baby (talk) 15:48, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

Since you are sub mod I want you to always write the beginning mod event. I will write the beginning mod events sometimes, and you will know because there will already be writing there, and you could add to it if you want.

ATL Touhou Project
You bet! :D

It'll be Chinese and it shall take place in Japan.

To start, what could the two main characters be and what shall be the main theme of the game (Like Buddhist/Taoist/Shinto)? I was thinking maybe Seiga Kaku & Toyosatomimi no Miko or Ichirin Kumoi & Minamitsu Murasa as two main characters (well at least who look closest to them). Unless you have any other ideas. -Kogasa 2012年12月31日 05:22:35 (JST)

Here is what I got done so far. Let me know what you think.

Also should the characters names be in Chinese or just use the Japanese names? -Kogasa 2012年12月31日 10:17:12 (JST)

Radioactive Tide Reloaded!
You're invited to the post-apocalyptic map game, Radioactive Tide Reloaded! It has begun. Bfoxius (talk)

Very well, shall I announce the Bavaria Succession? Also, I will declare all non Catholic Alliances null except for Venice due to the IMG, we will not bother Venice.Andr3w777 (talk) 18:51, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, could I have some help with the National information page? I need to update all of the player's stats, using the rules from RT Revised, based on their actions for this turn. I also need to add Persia. Could you help? CourageousLife (talk) 22:51, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

All you have to do is read a post, and if they do something that corresponds with points on this page, then you add or deduct points accordingly. And I'm not asking you to do the whole page by yourself, I wouldn't ask you to do that. I just need some help, because I'm getting off break and can't sift through all of them by myself. CourageousLife (talk) 23:29, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Here's a thought -

Everyone is claiming to find old technology and is trying to make their own. So, to prevent a lot of implausibility, here's what I think we should do:

Set up another chart under the National Information page. Each turn that they research these technologies, we give them a number from Random.org that shows their progress. For example -

Sampleland discovers old firearms technology and starts to reverse engineer it.

There will be different values for each technology. Lets say firearms is 1 - 5% (meaning that it will take at least 20 turns to fully research guns). Go to Random.org and set the perameters for 1 and 5. The resulting number is plugged into their score. Say Random.org gives you a 4. That 4 is added to their current score on the National Information page.

Here are some basic values I've come up with:

Teir 1:


 * Steam engine: 1 - 20 (minimum of 5 turns research)


 * Engine: 1 - 10 (minimum of 10 turns research)


 * Firearms: 1 - 5 (minimum of 20 turns research)

Teir 2:


 * Radio: 1 - 5 (minimum of 20 turns research)


 * Military vehicles: 1 - 20 (minimum of 5 turns research)

Teir 3:


 * Computers: 1 - 5 (minimum 20 turns research)


 * Airplanes: 1 - 5 (minimum 20 turns research)


 * Nuclear Weapons: 1 - 5 (minimum of 20 turns reseach)

The reason they are in teirs is that they require a technology from the previous teir to be unlocked. For example, you would not just be able to research airplanes. You would need to research the engine, then military vehicles, and then airplanes, for a total of 35 turns research.

So, what do you think?

CourageousLife (talk) 00:04, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Napoleonic Europe Revised Map
Has been fixedThe old baby (talk) 20:39, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

I have returned...
After a period of exodus, I have at long last returned to this website. I can see that you have been productive, now having the second most badge points on the wiki.

Anyways, anything really new going on here? Any fun new map games I could get involved in?

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 21:01, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I am back. I never lost interest, I just needed time to recover and focus on school for a little bit. Hopefully I will not leave this time.

Happy New Year to you as well!

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 21:21, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Maximum Systema Revival
Now that I am back, I think it is about time that we return to this timeline. I am working on a new map of Earth, one that is purely physical, disregarding any political features. We can work out Humanity's history later.

What do you say?

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 23:13, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Here is my first proposal of an Earth map, but we need to work together on the Pacific area.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 23:22, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, so my plan didn't quite work. So what now, You've won. Will you allow Bavaria's indepedence or subgigate its people? I am open to options, we fought, you won. Fair deal. Also what the fuck is going on with the Caliphate and Russia? Andr3w777 (talk) 05:20, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

you cant take all that land though, your only entitled to 13%. I will not give up Baden, or traditional Bavaria(which OTL was indepedent)Andr3w777 (talk) 05:34, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

FUCK, NO SCRAW. INVADE POLAND AND I WILL RIP BRANDENBURG TO SHREDS AFTER THE CALIPHATE. LX AND I HAVE A PLAN GOING ON, WE'RE RETURNING IN 1576 AND CRACKING THEM BASTARDS OPEN. FUCKING TOUCH POLAND, AND I WILL SHOVE THAT PARTICULAR DECISION SO FAR UP YOURS, I'LL PULL IT OUT YOUR MOUTH.

Ok, I'm sorry, please excuse the language and the threats in the above paragraph. It's fun to vent. Sorry. Really. I'm not mad- the caliphate did us a favor, cos when we come back, we'll be revolutionary and get a *1.5 to drive them out. But our trusted allies backstabbing us in that process would really not help. Seriously. Just don't. Please.

Majorly implausible these guys are going, hmm? I mean, they shouldn't have even arisen, but now, they've really fucked the poodle here.

The Royal Guns (talk) 21:32, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Happy 9,000 edits! Anyways I have a few things to discuss but I probably will not see them until tomorrow.(Busy). First off, our worst nightmare has just happened in PM2; the Caliphate now borders both of us! As soon as they collapse, me and Venice will most likely destroy Burgundy due to possible colonial issues(maybe, Collie and I are figuring that part out-- we understand that you do not particularly like them, so we'd like to know if you would partake). In other news, West Frankia(in MW) and Italy are about to assault some sort of state. Maybe we should catch the christians while they are at war and invade? Just a thought.AP (talk) 06:01, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, in MW we have a reason to go to war with the Byzantines; they invaded and conquered a Muslim nation, Crete. They are currently holding the Emir hostage in Constantinople. In fact, the Cretan Emirate recognized your suzerainty. I suggest a full-on invasion using the Emirate's downfall as a casus belli.AP (talk) 09:10, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

No, don't fucking see. Do. Please. Our allies screwing us over at this point  really won't be helpful.

Anyway, don't you have some fairly minor huge civil wars going on in the HRE? Worry ye not, Russia shall return... with a lot more land as we shove it up their Caliphial arses.

The Royal Guns (talk) 20:30, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

You don't control the HRE so you can't guarantee that at all. Not to mention the fact this stupid deal will go against my entire plan of the Mahdi. No dice.

I will offer you something which suits us both much better though. You agree to bow down and let the Mahdi destroy Brandenburg in a 1 year war. This frees you from the constraints of the HRE and reduces your recent wars penalties, thus putting you in prime position to pick up the pieces once the Caliphate is destroyed. I'll also expand the area you get as a successor state once the Caliphate collapses to be larger than the territory you currently control as Brandenburg. That is a pretty sweet deal considering the time constraints and power deferences. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 23:20, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Best be quick, we invading you soon. I'll post later today, got maps and algorithms to make first. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:17, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Ah you read the Mahdi stuff, well we've had 1 earthquake so far, and I was going to do one this turn and the final earthquake in the last year of the Mahdi. Jesus will appear in the 7th year too. I may have Jesus lead the invasion of Italy or Spain, he gets discovered in newly conquered Morocco perhaps? Other signs will be added too. But its just a period of super expansion by probably the greatest general, leader and fraud who ever lived. I thought it was a good story to go with :P <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:36, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Love the new word implauying. Pretty cool. (DeanSims: Talk) 01:11, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Multiple things
OK I have several things.

1- You know all those turns we were expanding our colonies by 3000 sqkm in PM2? Collie said that the bonus is 100sqkm not 1000 and that we misread the thing. He said he would consider those expansions as 2100sqkm when he is making the map.

2- MW I've made a rough map of winnings for our victory against the Byzantine infidels,

3- Are you interested in making a map game? I feel like AvARE will die soon and the other 2 map games right now(World at War and Congress of Vienna) are straight-up implausible. AP (talk) 06:17, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Return of the King
Well, I see I must thank you considerably for taking care of the Wettin Lands during my absence. I am truly indebted to you.

Would you mind giving me a brief summary of events since I left? I have skimmed through the page, but there's an awful lot to read!

Thanks again, Callumthered (talk) 09:19, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Le Nouveau Joue
So, back to the map game. Not only is it a perfect time to start one, but there is also so many ideas. I have one idea I like that I've never seen (at least in my time) here on the wiki. Everything is like WWI or II. I suggest we find some way of making a game in which we create a POD which plausibly makes the War of Spanish Succession end with a Franco-Spanish victory(and later personal union, inheritance, the whole 9 yards). Let me know.--AP

A New Game?
Can you look at this and let me know what you think? I am thinking of restarting this.

This game.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 04:36, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

The Caliphate is attacking the HRE in Bohemia, and is about to directly attack Brandenburg. The United Kingdoms of Bavaria and Thrungia, are not Kappelist, merely independent, if you so choose, we can enter one last war to help stop the Caliphate, providing you not attack our lands in the future(my plan was to turn Bavaria into the OTL Swiss, the bank of Europe, nuetral but also very pro HRE)Andr3w777 (talk) 16:34, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

PMII
Seeing as the Caliphate is one day from dead, can we make a deal here?

The first problem towards the Federation that Lx and I are working on is Caliphial and Russian Europe- basically, in 1576, we're all independent, but split up. In Poland, there will be a war between the Secessionists and the Federationists, which the Federationists will win, partially because they have the Royal Family's support, partially because there will be half a million Russian troops on their side.

Here, there's a quandary, because we both, I'm sure, would rather focus on reuniting our own nations, before screwing over our allies. You'll want to deal with your situation in Germany, us in Poland and Central Asia. So, why don't we get a truce here? If we untie our empire first, we won't screw you over; if you do so first, yopu won't screw us over. We weren't really planning to attack any of our allies, but it's better to be safe than sorry.

The Royal Guns (talk) 20:05, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

^You don't have half a million troops to help Poland. The Federationists in Poland are tiny as they were the ones all killed by the Caliphate when we invaded! Other Russian states (which you've only controlled for 100 years at most) will also rebel away. The Russian Federation is NO MORE! You'll need to make a new one. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 17:39, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Are you people incapable of listening to others?

Let me repeat this, again.

The areas of Muscovy and Novgorod that were ours at the time of the Federation's start will NOT rebel away. The Caliphate controlled Russia for around 5 years. In that time, no one was born who then grew up and lived under the Caliphial regime. In Muscovy and Novgorod, Every one thought they were Russian (And I mean part of the Federation), have thought they were Russian, lived as a Russian, and will CONTINUE to live as a Russian.

Are you seriously telling em that this doesn't occur? France was completely overtaken by the Germans during WWII, as was Poland, and half a dozen other states. What's the difference? Everyone there hated the oppressors as much, if not less, than the Russians hated the Caliphials. And when they came back, there was no trouble, because the government had survived by fleeing to another country- AS DID OURS.

As for Poland, We certainly do. Half a million is around 5% of the Russian population outside Poland and Central Asia. The total army force here would be some 10%, though, because we've activated the Druzhinas and other such militias, who are government trained soldiers each man.

And, by the way, according to the 'Red Rose', they were slaying all Christians. And, in any case, how are said rogues getting from the middle of Asia to Poland? Muscovy, ok, Novgorod, ok. Poland? If they found out that Poland had fallen, they'd have started moving in 1571... and reached Poland JUST in time for the Great Insurrection.

So, since the governments all survived, no, we don't need to make a new Federation. Since the Core Russian areas have remained, yes, we can salvage the Federation. And since that core area has over 1 million troops avalible- as well as the firmly Federationist Red Hand Militants- Yes, we can conquer the new segments.

The Royal Guns (talk) 20:31, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

What's more, even according to the map, Muscovy and Novgorod survived, albeit without many of their provinces. Now, according History atlas, Russia had 15 million people at this time, living in the Tver, Rostov, Novgorod, St.Petersburg, Muscovy area.

And, actually, what you don't seem to bloody understand is that the entire government apparatus survived- in exile, in Scandanavia. So, exactly how is anything annulled?

On the other hand, I see you kindly added 9% of yourself to Poland. Thank you, I'll be sure to show my appreciation after We've reconquered Poland.

After all, Poland does have a popualtion of 12 million. It was a little lower than that OTL, plus the population boom, minus the Red Rose, gets us the figure of 12 million. Funnily enough, that's also a figure of more than 10X your six digit population.

Have fun!

The Royal Guns (talk) 20:58, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

That was a response to Von, actually. I ought to have posted it on his page. Sorry.

We won't attack you for that, of course. It's just that Poland won that war.

And you.

The Royal Guns (talk) 20:14, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

You home? CourageousLife (talk) 20:27, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Does he know?

And I think I'll buy them. I'll see how it goes. CourageousLife (talk) 21:25, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Mhmm... well, then I should buy them before something happens CourageousLife (talk) 21:34, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Here's a thought - Incas. Haven't posted, sub-European tech standard, big collapsable Empire. What do you think? CourageousLife (talk) 00:51, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

The only problem is distance. Getting ships there wouldn't be easy, and it's relatively far. CourageousLife (talk) 00:54, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

So, hear this. Wait until we capture Colombia, then we have a closer base of operations to launch from. CourageousLife (talk) 01:02, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

States of America 5 Reloaded
Hey I'm trying to get the game back up again so join if youre interested

CommanderOfTheFourthReich 01:21, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

We could try all of what you suggested. I think I am confined to the weekends for now, and map games might have to be put of... sadly.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 03:30, January 11, 2013 (UTC)