Talk:1983: Doomsday/Former Proposals 14

True British Army (1983: Doomsday)
links into Essex and Woodbridge.--Smoggy80 19:51, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Well what are we going to do? Arstarpool 00:36, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Graduate it? --GOPZACK 17:31, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

If we were to do so, please graduate as a stub, because there's a whole lot more that could be/needs adding to it. Alternatively, don't graduate it. Fegaxeyl 17:57, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * You can still expand articles even after they've been graduated. --GOPZACK 18:00, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

International Health Organization
Page about WHO after Doomsday, based in Geneva.--Sunkist- 22:21, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Any objections? Arstarpool 00:36, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * What is the Red Cross's relation with this organization? Mitro 01:53, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Erm, It talks about it working hand and hand with the Red Cross.--Sunkist- 00:28, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Greek Revival

 * Flag of Greece (1983: Doomsday)
 * Heptanesa (1983: Doomsday)

An article started by Owen, but is about a far-off event that is from article's Smoggy started/works on and controls.

Lordganon 18:10, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

All it is is a hole-filler, and writes about how the Republic of Virginia controls it. Any objections to immediate graduation? Arstarpool 04:40, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Another article by Owen. Makes.... no sense.

Lordganon 18:10, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Nothing by Owen makes sense. Obsolete much? Arstarpool 22:47, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Another by Owen. Once again, makes little sense.

Lordganon 18:13, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Article created by Vegas, any objections to graduation? Mitro 01:35, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Article created by Smoggy, any objections to graduation? Mitro 01:35, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Article describing the history of the state of Maine after Doomsday. Created by Arstar but I have written most of it due to being caretaker of Aroostook. Mitro 17:24, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Any objections to graduation? Mitro 18:13, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Created by me but Brian and South pretty much took over on their own initiative, so I renounce having anything to do with it. Arstarpool 00:39, September 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * This is starting to be a real pain. But I'm not backing off.


 * Arstar, the entire timeline is a collaborative effort. Some of us have probably been harder on you at times than we should have been. But I think our criticism at times has been fair and necessary. You reference South and I taking over your article. You would rightfully have a solid case for complaint if I took over Superior. On this article, one that is a gateway to various articles for citystates and nations based in the former state, it is only fair and right that everyone have a chance to contribute, and certainly those editors who are caretakers of nations and citystates based in that state. If the article belongs to only one editor, then that editor can potentially write his own article without regard to what is already history in this timeline, and without regard to what other editors have created. It also locks everyone else out of contributing to it and clarifying the history of states referenced in the article. You cannot have that on a shared wiki, where everyone has a chance to contribute.

You also cannot have editors contradicting other editors for their own purposes. I believe this is what you were trying to do with Auburn - so you could write something that in and of itself was not wrong, but contradicted what is canon. In a timeline like this, you have to have some respect for what has come before and what has been established as history. Otherwise, the TL becomes chaotic, subject to radical changes on a whim...something Arstar that could work against you, if a future editor comes along and decides he or she doesn't like anything you've written.

No one took over your article. It is a shared article, and I went in and corrected your information on Auburn. I didn't do this to be personal, nor to offend or anger you, but to correct the article. I'm sorry if that is any sort of problem, but I wanted to clarify for all of the editors what my reasons were for what I did. BrianD 01:00, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Well does anybody have objections? Arstarpool 23:37, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * A minor thing, I know there is a map but can we list all the strikes in the article as well? Mitro 00:48, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Bosnia
A continuation of my work in the Balkans.--Vladivostok 08:53, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I've pretty much alleviated all concerns regarding the article, any objections to making the article canon?--Vladivostok 17:38, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess my only issue is with the economy section. How much tourism is Bosnia really getting? Mitro 20:17, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, not a whole lot, it's just that most of the industry in the territory that was left has been destroyed by the war, and since there isn't a whole lot of foreign investment going on, tourism is really the only other thing that could produce some source of income. So, not much really, most likely just the outlaying countries. It is still very much a poor country.--Vladivostok 20:28, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Caucasus Emirate
About a crazy, Islamic state in the Caucasus, tiny but claims many lands that are not from them. VENEZUELA 17:09, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * We need more ideas like these. Although it's not yet filled in I like it so far. Arstarpool 04:53, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * So Ven would you say this is a theocratic city state? --GOPZACK 16:26, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * yes. VENEZUELA 17:31, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why is the Emirate claiming Ossetia and Abkhazia? They are not Muslim. Fedelede 22:16, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ossetia have a small Muslim population, and Abkhazia has also a small Muslim population. VENEZUELA 19:55, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Well, much as I hate to say it, this occupies the same territory as Chechnya, and that was made first..... maybe we should mark it as obsolete?

Lordganon 15:04, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Article on the state. Open for adoption. Arstarpool 21:35, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is there anything else that can be added to this article? Can it be graduated?  Mitro 23:41, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Another by Owen. This may have some promise. --GOPZACK 22:55, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Owen tells me he is done. I'm not an expert on Zeppelins, but it doesn't seem that bad to me. Any objection to a stub? --GOPZACK 16:26, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

I actually do know a fair bit about Zeppelins so since Owen's done with it I might flesh it out a bit once I'm done with the articles I'm already working on.Tessitore 01:09, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you tess --Owen1983 14:15, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Given all things, the caretaker of Prussia should approve this before it is graduated.

Lordganon 00:29, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

I already approved there being a New Zeppelin company. I don't think I really need to be consulted much on what that entails.Oerwinde 17:17, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Imperial Chinese State
Can anybody help me find an heir to the Chinese throne that I can use in an article I am going to make? Arstarpool 00:12, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

I did some digging earlier when trying to come up with a Chinese revival of the monarchy. I believe the current heir was a member of the People's Liberation Army stationed in what becomes the Uyghur Socialist Republic.Oerwinde 00:45, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Would it be ok if I wrote that he was banished into the Chinese wastelands, since the Soviets aren't the biggest fans of monarchy, and managed to establish a small control sphere or an empire-in-exile? Arstarpool 00:53, August 30, 2010 (UTC)+

He was a communist. I doubt he would want to. He was also a technician in the army, so he probably doesn't even have the leadership or combat ability to carve himself an empire.Oerwinde 01:00, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe he could be part of the People's Kingdom! Heres my idea: Him and some PLAs could try to revolt against the Soviets and get banished, and get picked up on the other side of China by Jiangsu. If not I could use him for Taiwan-China as a political figure or a supporter of "The One China".Arstarpool 01:16, August 30, 2010 (UTC) In 1983 this guy would have been the heir Yuyan Mind you at the time he was working as a road sweeper in Beijing so he would have died on Doomsday. His eldest son, the guy Oerwinde was talking about is Hengzhen Verence71 18:32, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * You could definately have some banished PLA members going from Uyghuristan, as that is already a part of the history of that former country.--Vladivostok 08:53, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

So Oer do you think it would be plausible to have him in the People's Kingdom? If not, I will give him a small area of control elsewhere with his banished army. Arstarpool 23:00, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

I think Jiangsu is too far away for him to have made his way all the way there. Its opposite ends of the country. Also, if he's going to be king of anything, he's going to be a puppet king. He's a projectionist and member of a communist army, not really monarch material. If you're going to do something with him keep that in mind.Oerwinde 08:26, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Article created by Owen for another article originally created by Tes. Tes has already said he does not wish to use it. Any objections to a quick obsolete? Mitro 14:53, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Article created by an anon. Mitro 17:47, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that was me. I just popped in and noticed a red link, this page fixes that.  It doesn't contain any new info whatsoever, so there shouldn't be any need to put it through the proposal process.
 * Popping out, Benkarnell 05:13, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Czechoslovakia
Article created by Real, sort of conflicts with. Mitro 17:47, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah - and his response to that was that Bohemia was "unrealistic."

Maybe we should just mark this as obsolete?

Lordganon 19:02, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe, as a compromise, we could tell the creator of the article he can create a 1983: Doomsday spin-off timeline based on a unified Czechoslovakia which survived the nuclear attacks. I would hate to see such a nice-looking, content-filled article go to waste by being marked obsolete and eventually, deleted.--Emperor of Trebizond 20:21, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

It would be far from the first article like that that has been marked as such. Besides, he hasn't done a thing to it in.... quite some time.

Personally, I'd like to see this revamped into a more realistic state - probably Slovakia, but anything that is plausible is fine. Though, I have little hope it will happen.

It's a nice idea Emperor, but that would over-complicate things greatly around here, so it cannot be done. Lordganon 21:23, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

I would go with Emperor of Trebizond idea of making spin off timeline were Czechoslovakia wasn't Nuked--Owen1983 23:49, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Spinoff timelines would just overly complicate things and more importantly allow people to steal others work just so they can have their own pet project kept in the storyline. No offense to Real, I am a big fan of his works, but creating spinoff timelines sets a bad precedent. Mitro 01:41, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

A proposal I made for a city state in Oklahoma. I will fill out it out shortly. --GOPZACK 16:50, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't see where this conflicts, in principle, with Broken Bow and Hugo. However, it was not mentioned in the earlier articles and they will need to be altered a little bit before this article can be graduated. I like the concept of independence of state government. In OTL, with all the inefficient "state programs," most counties are run quite well by themselves. Even many small towns are quite self-sufficient in their city governments. It a post-apocalyptic world as TTL is, even adjacent counties like these might find it almost a paradise not to be bothered with "big government." I believe it was Thomas Jefferson who said "he is governed best who is governed least." SouthWriter 16:00, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I am the author and caretaker of Hugo & Broken Bow I designed them to be vague as to allow some wiggle room. At the time I didn't have much of a idea for until now so I'm slowly rolling out a vision of scattered city states that will eventually unite in some shape or form. --GOPZACK 19:51, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Three cheers for "wiggle room." I like it. I have constraints put on me by QSS in South Carolina. It led to two really big disasters - one "required" (Hurricane Hugo being a handy tool to destroy a large population in the Pee Dee region) and one of my own just to add some drama to what was becoming rather dull. SouthWriter 20:02, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Any objections to graduation? --GOPZACK 01:10, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Matlock
A small survivor state in Derbyshire. Basically a pre-Industrial Revolution Las Vegas. Fegaxeyl 11:12, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Any objections to graduation? Fegaxeyl 19:33, September 12, 2010 (UTC)