Board Thread:Timeline Discussions/@comment-4923787-20130202175501/@comment-4923787-20130607200635

Okay, so I'll just revert back to the original discussed ideas. The 950 Scenario and 811 Scenario.

In 950, the TL where Otto and Adelaide don't marry, over time, could the HRE in Italy eventually dynastically take over Naples / Sicily? I'm not saying having it directly in the HRE, since, like you keep pointing out, Italy was only considered the north, but say have the Emperors claim to be kings of Naples and or Sicily.

In the scenario where Pepin of Italy is alive and well, and the OTL HRE, would the power base remain in Italy or shift norhtwards? In this scenario, could Frederick II come around? Say he puts more of a focus on his Italian domains, and Germany revolts, and he is forced to revoke the title of King fo Germany. What happens to Germany if the above is possible? Does it simply become a KoG but HRE-like, or would it disintegrate?

Also, since Frederick was of Norman, Sicilian, and German, could I have him pop up in the 950 idea?