Talk:Map Games

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--Catherine 18:24, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Participator in the Map Games

=Discussion=

Comments by Mitro on creation of page
You know what is funny? I was just about to create this page. I had everything written out, but when I went to save it, I discovered Oer beat me to the punch. Mitro 16:35, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

LOL!!! Paaaad 00:49, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

New Map Game
I was thinking about making my own map game. I already have a map.ProfessorMcG 22:20, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

Really? What/When/Were would it be?Paaaad 23:37, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

1430 during the Renaissance in Europe, I have the map. It has 50+ countries lolProfessorMcG 01:15, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking about a world War one map game in which case I call Austria-Hungary!Batmanary 03:11, June 24, 2010 (UTC)Batmanary

Hmm... I was thinking on that too. I claim Italy! Fedelede 03:12, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

I'll join too, dibs on Germany! Ownerzmcown 3:18, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

TRIPLE ALLIANCE FTW

Sorry tho i dont hav the skillz to make one i just really want one on this wikia, meebe even an Austro-Prussian War map game, now that would be pretty coolBatmanary 03:21, June 24, 2010 (UTC)Batmanary

I prefer the WW1 idea... I will do it, if somebody helps me to color the countries on the map Fedelede 03:22, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

I have an Idea. we have the game run maybe year by Year, every year you make a map. btw don't get mad if i dont contribute fast since i have school and all.Batmanary 03:30, June 24, 2010 (UTC)Batmanary

What about a Chinese Warring states map game or a greek city states map game, I think that'd be fun Ownerzmcown 03:26, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Starting map games
To start a Map Game, do I have to post the first turn after posting the rules?Azecreth 00:30, May 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Its up to you, its your map game. You just have to post the starting map.Oerwinde 08:43, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Map Game Wiki?
Should we move to here?Baconton 20:29, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess my question is: why? Is there something this wiki does not provide that this other one will? I'd just like to point out that this wiki and the new Map Game Wiki are both run by Wikia, so all the features will be exactly the same. Mitro 20:36, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Mitro is right. All the map games are on this wikia anyway.-Eastward Expansion
 * Mitro is right. All the map games are on this wikia anyway.-Eastward Expansion

Suggestion
You know what might be a cool idea, if a bit of a more complex map game were made that essentially plays like a real time strategy game. Whoever makes the initial maps will have designated regions that will each be owned by one country or another, then each person picks a country, selects where they have armies or ships and then its played turn-based. I can elaborate more if this idea seems convoluted, but basically it'd be a little like a game of Empire: Total War.

Obviously every map game wouldn't be like this, just one active one at a time would be. Only problem I can see, aside from complexity, is that the turn-based thing might be a little hard for some people to keep up with.

Still, thoughts?

Red VS Blue 11:20, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

I like the sound of that! Bob 12:53, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

I've given it some thought, and I've decided that during the summer, I'll try and create a Map Game for my idea above. I'll have to hear from anyone who is interested though as I'll need to decide how many playable countries to have and what not. Also, I'm still undecided on what kind of map to use for this, so if anyone wants to sway my opinion, go ahead. Just try to keep any conversation as organized as possible =P

Here's to hoping this works! =D

Red VS Blue 20:19, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking of doing this too, weather, terrain, everything. Smallpox 20:41, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know about adding weather, but having details of the terrain could work. I want to keep it as simple as possible. Though I have a feeling that the rules sections is going to be veryyy long.

Red VS Blue 17:28, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Image Quality
Image quality has been an issue lately. Low quality images make editing new maps a chore, with bleeding colors making color selection difficult because it makes solid colors into multiple shades. I was considering making maintaining the image quality a rule rather than a guideline. Basically deleting any images if they are a lower quality than the previous one. What do you guys think of this?Oerwinde 02:16, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

Since I have started noticing it on a rather large scale, and these are map games, yea it NEEDS to be a rule.--DaBigUn 03:58, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

Complaints
Had a few complaints recently, I'll try to address some of them.

Unfortunately Accellerated time is common on all the map games. Mostly because people want things to happen every turn when in history there were periods of time where nothing happened. In the Europe 1430 game one country colonized a portion of mexico the size of the entire state of virginia in a year. Unfortunately for the people who try to be realistic about their posts, we are outnumbered about 4:1 by the people who just want to god-mod a specific nation. I'm not sure what can be done about the various complaints because really the only thing that can be done is by not allowing some of the more prominent players to participate such as Catherine and Destroyenator, who are notoriously implausible or biased in their posts

Another complaint is that of ganging up. That the most active players will contribute the most is a given, that can't be changed, its really only that much of an issue in games in which one player = one country. I tried to stay out of those from the beginning because I thought they were a bad idea, they were inevitibly going to cause hostile feelings between players as there was no real way to determine the outcome of wars and such. The only way for these games to work is if the game doesn't move forward until every player has taken their turn.Oerwinde 02:20, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Or a programmed in Dice system which rolls randomly to the players participating in the game, thus making it better, along with some rules to prevent them from doing ridiculous things (Russia roles a 1 and Canada rolls a 20; dosent mean Canada can auto take even 1/100000th of siberia, just means they repealed the attack and caused massive casualties.)....something like that.--DaBigUn 02:26, June 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * As I suggested earlier, an map game with a similar layout to a "RTS" would conceivably work fairly. Strict rules would be set out and with territories specifically marked out already, no one would be able to take over too much land at once. Personally, I feel that the way the map games are lain out at the moment is inherently problematic, for a real game at least. Serious reworking needs to, and will be done. =D Red VS Blue 02:38, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * What about mine?....I mean there hasent been much posting, but still, what about the rules then?--DaBigUn 02:40, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * If anyone knows how to program that here, that'd be great. For battles though I was thinking that more of a rock-paper-scissors format would work here. To simplify things, say Alaska has a plane unit (remember it'll be more complex than this) and Vladivostok as a tank unit. Plane beats tank, and the unit is destroyed. But say Vladivostok has built an AA turret there, the plane unit is destroyed. Obviously I'll be much more precise about what kills what and under what conditions, but I haven't really given much attention to this yet. So if you want, make whatever suggestions you think I should consider, or even start one yourself. Red VS Blue 17:47, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

"Strategy"
For anyone interested, my project for a board game style Map Game is in the works and as such, a page for the rules has been created. It'll be a bit slow going for me, but I'll try to be as prompt as possible. I don't want to have any comments trying to rush me or anything though. Red VS Blue 01:53, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Lets make a new map game
I've been having trouble with these map games so far. I'd like to create a new map game free of the problems of accelerated time or implausible edits. Simply posting NO IMPLAUSIBILITY in the rules dosn't seem to be enough.

These are some rules I think can be made to work: So an example of a turn would look like this.
 * No player controls a nation, rather one player edits the entire year for all nations. We have a specific order of who goes when.
 * If your posts are rollbacked for implausibility 3 times in a row, you get the boot. :)
 * Religious spread and discovery/spread of technology count as their own nations.

1672 (Lets Say)

Politics Technology Religion So....when would you suggest we start this 'whomever you are' so that we can get this going. And what year will this START and STOP in.That Guy 03:46, February 4, 2011 (UTC) First of all I'll point out that there are a few inaccuracies such as that socialism did not exist until the 19th century. Also I don't think it would work because people would lose interest, only editing once a week or so on countries they don't care about. Also the countries would become bland because people would be afraid to stray off a continuous path set down by people before them. The thing is map games are meant to be fun, implausibility rules are only to keep people from having to get angry at unrealistic actions. When you try to make a game too systematic and only to create quality articles, it no longer serves its purpose of fun. But I respect your opiniom and I see its validity. —Detectivekenny; (info, talk) Preceding text certified by R. Xun as of 04:19, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Bavaria-Swabia faces a socialist revolution. The government is overthrown, putting the Republic of Bavaria-Swabia on bad relations with the Archduchy of Austria and the Kingdom of Bohemia.
 * Luxembourg forms an alliance with Brandenburg against Denmark, and enters the Danish War. Despite the extra manpower, Denmark maintains its pre-war borders.
 * The Kingdom of Annam embraces the women's rights movement, mostly as a way of appearing supperior to otherwise more modern Khmer.
 * The Dominion of Panama opens the Panama canal. This makes trade to the Western coasts of North and South America much cheaper. The increase of wealth makes Panama's government more stable.
 * The Scottish Commonwealth finishes the New Hadrian Wall, and closes their border with the Welsh Empire. A revolution in Ireland is putt down.
 * The Empire of Bulgaria makes Judaism their state religion.
 * Rifle technology has spred from Europe and becomes a key component in the Khmer Military.
 * A spray for eradicating ticks is discovered. The Bubonic Plague, which has spread to many colonies due to rats infesting ships, is now receding.
 * Judaism has become a key part of Bulgarian culture.
 * A movement in Buddhism allowing for enslavement of the Unenlightened gains popularity in Tibet. Tibetan raiders start taking slaves from Nepal, Bhutan, Uigheristan and the Ming Empire.

I agree. I would soon lose interest in that Map Game. (No Offence Intended) PitaKang 02:19, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

It's a good idea, but I have to agree with PitaKang and DK on this one. The concept of the gane is nice, but won't attract many dedicatred players with such heavy moderation. Go play EU3 if you want a game like the one you just described. BoredMatt 02:29, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

New Map Game
I've been thinking in doing a map game.but, i have to ask; there is allowed to two map games have the same subject? Collie Kaltenbrunner 17:49, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to the wonderful process of making a map game. As long as your map game is somewhat unique, it is okay. For example, there are currently 2 map games set near WWII (WWIII and Axis vs. Allies). However, there are 4 map games currently active that are set in 1400. That topic is getting kind of stale. However, every once in a while, someone creates a great new map game that is unique, such as the Massive Impact game. CrimsonAssassin 19:10, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

I would have to agree....as long as it is unique and not to wildly out there (Alien Space Bat sorta thing) then it should do fine.....but how much do you have done?That Guy 19:15, February 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * i was thinking in something about Scramble for Africa, thing like that. at the time i only have the idea, i'm trying to get a map, but i am indecisive about what is the year in which the map game timeline starts (17th century or 19th century ?).Collie Kaltenbrunner 19:46, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

So long as it's not outright copying someone else, go for it. As for a Scramble for Africa Game, a map anytime after the Napoleonic Wars (1815 or later) would be a must, with some sort of limit on expansion until 1850, after which Quinine (used against Malaria) first became widely used, allowing Europeans to start colonizing and taking over most of Africa. Lordganon 20:53, February 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * You think that the game must have pre-set nations in the map, as in OTL?Collie Kaltenbrunner 22:23, February 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * For any realistic start date, yes. It would only be colonial posts, North Africa, Liberia, and Ethiopia (unless there's another African nation I've forgotten about that would count, though I doubt it) to start, with limits on expansion w/o improvements where applicable, of course. Shouldn't be too hard to find a map, I would think, with that on it. Lordganon 22:31, February 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * How about 1830, pre-set nations being Ottoman Empire, British Empire via Cape Colony, Ethiopia, Morocco, Portugal via Mozambique and Angola, Zulu Kingdom, Swaziland and Lesotho? Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:43, February 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Not Swaziland or Lesotho - they have always been tiny states and their modern independence is an accident of colonization. Africa in 1830, just before the French attack on Algeria Would be a map to go off of to start. The Minor states aren't strong enough to resist pressure at all, and North Africa outside of Morrocco and Algeria is Ottoman territory or vassals, as well as Ethiopia being bigger, but it shows you more how it would be. The European areas in the northwest is French Senegal. I would also add the Italians, Germans, etc. being able to try and colonize as well as they unify, etc. according to otl dates. Sides look good though. Lordganon 11:07, February 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * should i put these minor states in central-south africa in the map? oh, countries like Austria-Hungary are available? Collie Kaltenbrunner 18:26, February 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Up to you, but they wouldn't have any realistic role - i.e. non-playable nations - if they were included. A reference in the rules to them existing and that area being hard to conquer would be best. Come to think of it, some sort of limit on expansion in the Sahara would be best too.


 * After a certain date - normally unification - sure, but at least in the case of Austria-Hungary I'd say no - priorities, after all - but definitely possible to play many such nations, though some sort of rule needs to be put in to govern the practice.


 * Lordganon 00:26, February 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * like, France, Portugal, Spain, United Kingdom available at start,Italy and Germany after 1871 and err...do you think that Belgium should enter the game?Collie Kaltenbrunner 08:03, February 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * Exactly like that, with the Ottomans, Morocco, and Ethiopia added. Belgium would be available after 1840 or so, but with big restrictions on them - tiny country, after all. Lordganon 08:15, February 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * oh, in that map that you showed me, that yellow territory near of today's Sudan is Ethiopia? and Netherlands should be entering too? Collie Kaltenbrunner 08:24, February 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, they really didn't otl, but I don't see why not. Same goes for Denmark, Sweden, and Russia, though any by those 4 should be kept to more of a minimum. The Dutch would have to follow the same year restriction as Belgium, however - the Belgians were fighting them for independence, after all.


 * It is meant to be Ethiopia, but the borders are not correct. Goes further south and east.


 * Lordganon 21:34, February 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * You have an idea in how determine how to win the game?Collie Kaltenbrunner 22:21, February 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * Most Map Games are just for fun - no real winner, so as to avoid fighting and illogical moves, etc. Though I guess the player-nation with the most territory would end up winning. Also, come to think of it, the USA - and their Liberian puppet - would be involved as well. Lordganon 23:04, February 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've been thinking. Most people in Map Games don't invade other nations people signed up for because theye are scared they will get implausible or something, and because nations that are not signed up for will show no rseistance, unliked nations that are signed up. So I think that the Mods (There has to be mods) can sock-puppet nations that are being invaded. PitaKang 23:09, February 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * somebody has some idea of rules?Collie Kaltenbrunner 10:16, February 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Limits on when certain countries can start colonizing, when all nations but Ethiopia can expand into the Interior of the continent, And some sort of mechanism that involves otl events elsewhere playing a role occasionally. The belts of African states, however, weak, should be fashioned as some sort of harder to occupy, etc. area. Morocco, given its history and position, should probably be left to a mod as a kind of "computer" player. With this game, I would think that the main objective would be more so to end up with the most of the continent. Timeline roughly 1820 to 1914 would sound about right to me, to give some time before quinine is discovered in 1850 and to avoid how much fighting would result from the First World War. Add some sort of message at the end of who would win that war in the area. Ottomans the native African powers get weaker as time goes on. 1 or 2 turns, likely 2, a year. Lordganon 12:16, February 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Want to be the moderator of the game, along with me?Collie Kaltenbrunner 17:25, February 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Heh. Sure, I'll do it. Lordganon 12:17, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Finishing Map Games
We've got a whole lot of dead map games right now, and still a lot going on. Maybe we should be finishing the better defunct ones instead of making new ones?

On that note, does anyone want to attempt to finish Europe 1430? Its around two hundred turns from finishing. Michael Douglas 20:15, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous History Guy
Is Anonymous History Guy still banned? --Yank 05:52, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, for a millennium for using a sockpuppet (User:Vhaul). Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 06:05, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Then why isn't he on the Wall of Shame?

Yank 06:22, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Because I forgot? lol Adding..... Lordganon 11:05, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

New Map Game?
I would like to add that Axis vs Allies have gone defunct, pratically, and i had a idea for a new map game, since this have gone defunct.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 18:07, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

I called it first! I even made a blo post for a new game, but you are welcome to put your own suggestions there. Batmanary

Well, i first thought of a starting date. i think that it would start in 1900 (i also thought in 1919).obviously, it would need a map, but i would upload it.see Axis vs llies and US Civil War? is in that direction that i want to follow, of course without the implausibilities in US Civil War and the current inactivity of Axis vs Allies.well, i would be in 1900, but...what would happen next depends.since it is 1900,the only pre-set alliance would be the Triple Alliance (Central powers).since i don't found any map game starting in 1900, i think that this would be valid.it would be 1900 because it would have more countries fit to play, although a map game set in 1919, after the World War I, would be reasonable, specially in the Eastern Europe,but i may leave this to other time.anyway, there would be possible to make pages of your nation, but this is either this will become a timeline or not.i also thought in each player controlling a maximum number of two nations, although only one of these can be one of the great powers (Germany, Austria-Hungary, Britain, France, Ottoman Empire, Italy, Russia, USA).you have some suggestions? oh, and i have not thought of a name for this.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:20, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

Well look at this page, and you will see some of the ideas other users have posted. Have a look:

New Map Game?

Mainly, we were thinking of scrapping the player-country model, and basically doing a player turn thing. Bats 22:26, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

OK, but how this would work in this model of only one player being able of control one great power at the time?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:27, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

Rethinking, i can scrap this one power-per-player model too.anyway, how this player turn works?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 18:50, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

Time to Clean Out the Defunct Map games...
There are a bunch of defunct map games that never got passed a couple turns (some never even started). The rules thing says that if they don't get passed 10 turns and go defunct, they ought to be deleted. LurkerLordB 00:16, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

I added the delete template to the defunct ones that never got past 10 turns. LurkerLordB 21:58, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Revolutions 1750
I found this map game by accident. It is, however, new, yet it has not been updated for a while. Is it defunctant?

RandomWriterGuy 01:29, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Look at the history. It is a current game, and was last updated today. Lordganon 01:55, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Map Game Spamming
Can we do something about "map game spammers". I define map game spammers as people who make an excessive number of map games without promoting or playing them. Case in point, User:LiopleurodonFerox, a new user who joined on Jan 22 and in three days has only made 20 edits which include 3 new map games. Now I understand the map games are popular, but the last thing we need is to have the wiki cluttered with excessive unplayed map games. BTW, I posting this on the TSPTF page as well. Mitro 16:51, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, those users with like only a few edits and there all on just map games (or one particular map game) always bug me. I get the feeling most of them are just sock puppets, especially when they only play one game & they make the same spelling mistakes. Basically that RebelSolider & his sockpuppets annoyed me lol VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 17:46, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

I'm more of a mind that they are just people that stumble on this place, join up to play, and just don't come back. Some games are a magnet for this kind of thing.

And, if you, Von - or anyone else, for that matter - suspect someone of being a sockpuppet of another, please let someone know. We can inquire about such things.

Lordganon 01:33, January 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * No worries I will LG ;) VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 11:58, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

On Principia Moderni, we'll often wait a week or so to make sure that the new user isn't just going to post for a couple turns and then leave before we give them their own color on the map. LurkerLordB (Talk) 01:38, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Defunct Games
"If a game goes defunct (Hasn't been edited in 7 days), hasn't advanced past 10 turns, and can't be successfully revived, place a template on the page." There are several games that fit these criteria, as well as an entire category (Category:Defunct Map Games) that didn't exist until 5 minutes ago, contains 25 pages, and is a duplicate of Category:Defunct Games (Map Game). All the games on this list have gone quiet and have advanced fewer than 10 terms (a couple that advanced slighly further are there too, labeled 'borderline').

If you feel like saving a game for any reason (to revive it, or just because you want to keep the archive of the game, however short), just remove it from the list. I'll leave this up long enough that everyone can see it. Once this is sorted out, we can get rid of that rogue category. Benkarnell 04:53, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Elligible for deletion

 * 50 AD (Map Game)
 * Invasion: 1950 (Map Game) (advanced eleven turns; borderline)
 * New Ottoman Empire (Map Game)
 * 332 B.C. (Map Game)
 * Apolisitic Palace (1080 AD)
 * Atlantic Islands (Map Game) (slightly more than ten turns, but only one user posting for most of them. This one's a bit weird in that it has a largish timeline built up around it, yet the actual Game itself saw very little activity.)
 * Colonial America: 1600AD (Map Game) (also borderline, but definitely never very active)
 * Diplomacy (Map Game)
 * the three pages in Category:The World Changed (no actual game page exists)
 * Final Hours (Map Game)
 * Great Middle East War (Map Game)
 * Human Evolution 3.0 (Map Game) (13 turns, borderline)
 * Massive Impact Strikes Back! (Map Game)
 * Mesaíonas (Map Game)
 * Oh (Map Game)
 * Peak Oil (Map Game)
 * Post Apocalyptica (Map Game)
 * Race For The World World War 1 (Map Game)
 * SPQR (Map Game)
 * Sengoku (Map Game) (VonG seems to be trying to revive it, but so far no one else is joining)
 * States of Australia (Map Game)
 * The Americas (Map Game)
 * The Halloween Map Game