Talk:Principia Moderni IV (Map Game)

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Algorithms—the hard part of map games. This is where all of them are placed. It is mandatory to follow all the rules and strictly follow the procedure, rules, and computation of an algorithm, both of which can be seen here. You can see every algorithm below.

It's vital that you use exactly this format when writing or computing an algorithm, as it helps organization tremendously.

Formatting
Name of War (Years of War) [Use Heading 2]

Front Name [Only use this if there is more front in the war] [Heading 3]


 * Year
 * Pre-War Stage
 * Side I Name (Attacking or Defending)
 * Result:
 * Population:
 * War Exhaustion:
 * Casus Belli:
 * Government:
 * Side II Name (Attacking or Defending)
 * Result:
 * Population:
 * War Exhaustion:
 * Casus Belli:
 * Government:
 * Battle Stage
 * (Battle or Siege Name)
 * Side I Name (Attacking or Defending)
 * Result:
 * Army/Navy Size:
 * Location:
 * Great General:
 * Blunder:
 * Attrition:
 * Side II Name (Attacking or Defending)
 * Result:
 * Army/Navy Size:
 * Location:
 * Great General:
 * Blunder:
 * Attrition:
 * Final Stage:
 * Side I Name
 * Cities Occupied:
 * Result:
 * Side I Name
 * Cities Occupied:
 * Result:
 * Overall Result:

Discussion [Heading 3]

First battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +108
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +97.75
 * Army – +120 (100,000 from Korea; 300,000 defectors)
 * Navy – N/A
 * Location – -2 (near populated border)
 * GG/GA/GL – N/A
 * Blunder – -3
 * Attrition – -15% (8; light winter + contested river passing)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – +5
 * Army – +6 (20,000?)
 * Location – +2
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -3


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * 400,000 * 0.98 = 392,000 survivors
 * China
 * 20,000 * 0.25 = 5,000 survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 108 + (5 - 97.75) = +15.25

642.6% in-favour of Korea (Battle Tier III)
 * Two-thirds of Liaoning under Korea

Second battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +108
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +115.9
 * Army – +117.6 (392,000 total)
 * Navy – N/A
 * Location – -2 (near populated border)
 * GG/GA/GL – N/A
 * Blunder – -0
 * Attrition – -15% (8; light winter + contested river passing)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – +2.5
 * Army – +1.5 (5,000)
 * Location – +2
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -1


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * 392,000 survivors
 * China
 * No survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 108 + (2.5 - 115.9) = -5.4 + (|-5.4| + 1) = 1

9,800% in-favour of Korea (Battle Tier IV)
 * Liaoning conquered

9,800% + 642.6% = 10,442.6% in-favour of Korea
 * TOTAL WAR SCORE

First battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +108
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +15.3
 * Army – +6 (20,000)
 * Navy – +15 (500 ships)
 * Location – -4 (defending major city)
 * GG/GA/GL – N/A
 * Blunder – -0
 * Attrition – -10% (8; light winter)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – +0.5
 * Army – +1.5 (5,000?)
 * Location – +4 (defending major city)
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -5


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * 20,000 * 0.95 = 19,000 survivors
 * 500 * 0.95 = 475 ships left
 * China
 * 5,000 * 0.95 = 4,750 survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 108 + (0.5 - 15.3) = 93.2

105.15% in-favour of Korea
 * No landings made

First battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +108
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +120.69
 * Army – +117.6 (392,000)
 * Navy – N/A
 * Location – -4.5 (near centre of government)
 * GG/GA/GL – +25
 * Blunder – -4
 * Attrition – -10% (7; light winter)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – +77.5
 * Army – +75 (250,000)
 * Location – +4.5 (near centre of government)
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -2


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * 392,000 * 0.95 = 372,400 survivors
 * China
 * 250,000 * 0.95 = 237,500 survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 108 + (77.5 - 120.69) = +64.81

151.2% in-favour of Korea

Second battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +108
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +117.2
 * Army – +111.72 (372,400)
 * Navy – N/A
 * Location – -4.5 (near centre of government)
 * GG/GA/GL – +25
 * Blunder – -2
 * Attrition – -10% (7; light winter)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – +72.75
 * Army – +71.25 (237,500)
 * Location – +4.5 (near centre of government)
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -3


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * 372,400 * 0.94 = 350,056 survivors
 * China
 * 237,500 * 0.7 = 166,250 survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 108 + (72.75 - 117.2) = +63.55

154.2% in-favour of Korea

TOTAL WAR SCORE: 154.2% + 151.2% = 305.4% (Tier II)


 * Third of Hebei is conquered, the city of Beijing is reached

Second battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +108
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +35.95
 * Army – +5.7 (19,000)
 * Navy – +14.25 (475 ships)
 * Location – -4 (defending major city)
 * GG/GA/GL – +25
 * Blunder – -1
 * Attrition – -10% (7; light winter)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – +4.4
 * Army – +1.4 (4,750)
 * Location – +4 (defending major city)
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -1


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * 19,000 * 0.9 = 17,200 survivors
 * 500 * 0.95 = 475 ships left
 * China
 * 4,750 * 0.85 = 4037 survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 108 + (4.4 - 35.95) = 76.45

128.2% in-favour of Korea

TOTAL WAR SCORE: 105.15% + 128.2% = 233.35% (Tier II)


 * Quarter of Qingdao is conquered

Third battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +108
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +90.4
 * Army – +105 (350,056)
 * Navy – N/A
 * Location – -4.5 (near centre of government)
 * GG/GA/GL – +25
 * Blunder – -5
 * Attrition – -25% (5; moderate winter)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – +51.4
 * Army – +49.9 (166,250)
 * Location – +4.5 (near centre of government)
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -3


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * 350,056 * 0.94 = 329,052 survivors
 * China
 * 166,250 * 0.7 = 116,375 survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 108 + (51.4 - 90.4) = +69

142% in-favour of Korea

TOTAL WAR SCORE: 154.2% + 151.2% + 142% = 447.4% (Battle Tier II)


 * Half of Hebei (including Beijing) conquered

Fourth battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +108
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +89.4
 * Army – +98.7 (329,052)
 * Navy – N/A
 * Location – -4.5 (near centre of government)
 * GG/GA/GL – +25
 * Blunder – -0
 * Attrition – -25% (5; moderate winter)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – +37.4
 * Army – +34.9 (116,375)
 * Location – +4.5 (near centre of government)
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -2


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * 329,052 * 0.98 = 322,470 survivors
 * China
 * 116,375 * 0.25 = 29,093 survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 108 + (37.4 - 89.4) = +56

175% in-favour of Korea

TOTAL WAR SCORE: 154.2% + 151.2% + 142% + 175% = 622.4% (Battle Tier III)


 * Two-thirds of Hebei conquered

Fifth battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +108
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +87.15
 * Army – +96.7 (322,470)
 * Navy – N/A
 * Location – -4.5 (near centre of government)
 * GG/GA/GL – +25
 * Blunder – -1
 * Attrition – -25% (5; moderate winter)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – +9.3
 * Army – +8.7 (29,093)
 * Location – +4.5 (near centre of government)
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -4


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * 322,470 survivors
 * China
 * no survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 108 + (9.3 - 87.15) = +30.15

325% in-favour of Korea

TOTAL WAR SCORE: 154.2% + 151.2% + 142% + 175% + 325% = 947.4% (Battle Tier IV)


 * Hebei is fully conquered
 * Moral debuff next year for China

First battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +103
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)
 * Moral-debuff – -5


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +75.75
 * Army – +66 (220,000)
 * Navy – +13.5 (450)
 * Location – -3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL – +25
 * Blunder – -0
 * Attrition – -25% (5; moderate winter)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – +7.5
 * Army – +6 (20,000)
 * Location – +3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -2


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * 220,000 * 0.9 = 198,000 survivors
 * 450 * 0.9 = 405 ships left
 * China
 * 20,000 * 0.85 = 17,000 survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 103 + (7.5 - 75.75) = +34.75

282% in-favour of Korea


 * Third of Shandong conquered

Second battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +103
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)
 * Moral-debuff – -5


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +66.8
 * Army – +59.4 (198,000)
 * Navy – +12.15 (405)
 * Location – -3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL – +25
 * Blunder – -4
 * Attrition – -25% (5; moderate winter)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – +5.6
 * Army – +5.1 (17,000)
 * Location – +3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -3


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * 198,000 * 0.98 = 194,040 survivors
 * China
 * 17,000 * 0.25 = 4,250 survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 103 + (5.6 - 66.8) = +41.8

234.4% in-favour of Korea

TOTAL WAR SCORE: 282% + 234.4% = 516.4% (Battle Tier III)


 * More than half of Shandong conquered

First battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +103
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)
 * Moral-debuff – -5


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +43.1
 * Army – +36 (120,000)
 * Location – -3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL – +25
 * Blunder – -0
 * Attrition – -25% (5; moderate winter)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – +4.5
 * Army – +6 (20,000)
 * Location – +3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -5


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * 120,000 * 0.95 = 114,000 survivors
 * China
 * 20,000 * 0.95 = 19,000 survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 103 + (4.5 - 43.1) = +64.4

152% in-favour of Korea (Battle Tier 0)


 * Sixth of Shanxi conquered

Third battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +103
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)
 * Moral-debuff – -5


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +87.4
 * Army – +58.2 (194,040)
 * Navy – +12.15 (405)
 * Location – -3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL – +25
 * Blunder – -4
 * Attrition – -0.5% (10; low-impact winter)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – +1.8
 * Army – +1.3 (4,250)
 * Location – +3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -3


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * 194,040 survivors
 * 405 ships left
 * China
 * No survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 103 + (1.8 - 87.4) = +17.4

563% in-favour of Korea

TOTAL WAR SCORE: 282% + 234.4% + 563% = 1,079.4% (Battle Tier IV)


 * Entirety of Shandong conquered

Second battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +103
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)
 * Moral-debuff – -5


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +51.4
 * Army – +34.2 (114,000)
 * Location – -3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL – +25
 * Blunder – -4
 * Attrition – -0.5% (10; low-impact winter)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – +7.2
 * Army – +5.7 (19,000)
 * Location – +3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -2


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * 114,000 * 0.94 = 107,160 survivors
 * China
 * 19,000 * 0.7 = 13,300 survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 103 + (7.2 - 51.4) = +58.8

166.7% in-favour of Korea

TOTAL WAR SCORE: 152% + 166.7% = 318.7% (Battle Tier II)


 * Third of Shanxi conquered

Third battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +103
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)
 * Moral-debuff – -5


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +53.4
 * Army – +32.15 (107,160)
 * Location – -3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL – +25
 * Blunder – -3
 * Attrition – -0.5% (10; low-impact winter)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – +5.5
 * Army – +4 (13,300)
 * Location – +3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -2


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * 107,160 * 0.94 = 100,730 survivors
 * China
 * 13,300 * 0.7 = 9,310 survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 103 + (5.5 - 53.4) = +55.1

177.85% in-favour of Korea

TOTAL WAR SCORE: 152% + 166.7% + 177.85% = 496.55% (Battle Tier II)


 * Over half of Shanxi conquered

Fourth battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +103
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)
 * Moral-debuff – -5


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +42.9
 * Army – +30.2 (100,730)
 * Location – -3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL – +25
 * Blunder – -4
 * Attrition – -10% (7; light winter)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – +3.3
 * Army – +2.8 (9,310)
 * Location – +3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -3


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * 100,730 * 0.98 = 98,750 survivors
 * China
 * 9,310 * 0.25 = 2,328 survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 103 + (3.3 - 42.9) = +63.4

154.5% in-favour of Korea

TOTAL WAR SCORE: 152% + 166.7% + 177.85% + 154.5% = 651.05% (Battle Tier III)


 * Two-thirds of Shanxi conquered

Fifth battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +103
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)
 * Moral-debuff – -5


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +46
 * Army – +29.6 (98,750)
 * Location – -3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL – +25
 * Blunder – -0
 * Attrition – -10% (7; light winter)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – -0.8
 * Army – +0.7 (2,328)
 * Location – +3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -5


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * 98,750 * 0.98 = 96,775 survivors
 * China
 * 2,328 * 0.25 = 582 survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 103 + (-0.8 - 46) = +63.4

173.4% in-favour of Korea

TOTAL WAR SCORE: 152% + 166.7% + 177.85% + 154.5% + 173.4% = 824.45% (Battle Tier III)


 * Ninety percent of Shanxi conquered

Sixth battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +103
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)
 * Moral-debuff – -5


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +37.1
 * Army – +29 (96,775)
 * Location – -3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL – +25
 * Blunder – -1
 * Attrition – -25% (5; moderate winter)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – -0.35
 * Army – +0.15 (582)
 * Location – +3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -4


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * 96,775 survivors
 * China
 * No survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 103 + (-0.35 - 37.1) = +65.55

149.5% in-favour of Korea

TOTAL WAR SCORE: 152% + 166.7% + 177.85% + 154.5% + 173.4% + 149.5% = 973.95% (Battle Tier IV)


 * Shanxi is fully conquered and annexed

First battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +103
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)
 * Moral-debuff – -5


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +108.95
 * Army – +90 (300,000)
 * Location – -3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL – +25
 * Blunder – -2
 * Attrition – -0.5% (10; low-impact winter)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – +60.5
 * Army – +60 (200,000)
 * Location – +3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -3


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * 300,000 * 0.95 = 285,000 survivors
 * China
 * 200,000 * 0.95 = 190,000 survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 103 + (60.5 - 108.95) = +54.55

179.65% in-favour of Korea (Battle Tier 0)


 * Fifth of area conquered

Second battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +103
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)
 * Moral-debuff – -5


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +106.5
 * Army – +85.5 (285,000)
 * Location – -3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL – +25
 * Blunder – -0
 * Attrition – -0.5% (10; low-impact winter)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – +56.5
 * Army – +57 (190,000)
 * Location – +3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -4


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * 300,000 * 0.94 = 267,900 survivors
 * China
 * 190,000 * 0.7 = 133,000 survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 103 + (56.5 - 106.5) = +53

184.9% in-favour of Korea

TOTAL WAR SCORE: 179.65% + 184.9% = 364.55% (Battle Tier II)


 * Third of area conquered

Third battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +103
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)
 * Moral-debuff – -5


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +100.4
 * Army – +80.4 (267,900)
 * Location – -3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL – +25
 * Blunder – -1
 * Attrition – -0.5% (10; low-impact winter)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – +41.4
 * Army – +39.9 (133,000)
 * Location – +3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -2


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * 267,900 * 0.98 = 262,542 survivors
 * China
 * 133,000 * 0.25 = 33,250 survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 103 + (41.4 - 100.4) = +44

222.7% in-favour of Korea

TOTAL WAR SCORE: 179.65% + 184.9% + 222.7% = 587.25% (Battle Tier III)


 * Two-thirds of area conquered

Fourth battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +103
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)
 * Moral-debuff – -5


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +89.4
 * Army – +78.8 (262,542)
 * Location – -3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL – +25
 * Blunder – -1
 * Attrition – -10% (8; light winter)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – +13.5
 * Army – +10 (33,250)
 * Location – +3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -0


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * All 262,542 survive
 * China
 * No survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 103 + (13.5 - 89.4) = +27.1

361.6% in-favour of Korea

TOTAL WAR SCORE: 179.65% + 184.9% + 222.7% + 361.6% = 948.85% (Battle Tier IV)


 * All of central China conquered

First battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +103
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)
 * Moral-debuff – -5


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +96.75
 * Army – +90 (300,000)
 * Location – -3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL – +25
 * Blunder – -4
 * Attrition – -10% (7; light winter)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – +4.5
 * Army – +6 (20,000)
 * Location – +3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -5


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * all 300,000 survive
 * China
 * no survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 103 + (4.5 - 96.75) = +10.75

911.6% in-favour of Korea


 * All of Shaanxi conquered

First battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +103
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)
 * Moral-debuff – -5


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98.55
 * Army – +90 (300,000)
 * Location – -3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL – +25
 * Blunder – -2
 * Attrition – -10% (7; light winter)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – +7.5
 * Army – +6 (20,000)
 * Location – +3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -2


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * 300,000 * 0.98 = 294,000 survivors
 * China
 * 20,000 * 0.25 = 5,000 survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 103 + (7.5 - 98.55) = +10.75

820.8% in-favour of Korea


 * Nine-tenths of the Gansu corridor conquered

First battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +103
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)
 * Moral-debuff – -5


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +56.25
 * Army – +45 (150,000)
 * Location – -3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL – +25
 * Blunder – -4
 * Attrition – -10% (7; light winter)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – +7.5
 * Army – +6 (20,000)
 * Location – +3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -2


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * 150,000 * 0.95 = 142,500 survivors
 * China
 * 20,000 * 0.95 = 19,000 survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 103 + (7.5 - 56.25) = +54.25

180.6% in-favour of Korea


 * Fifth of Sichuan conquered

Second battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +103
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)
 * Moral-debuff – -5


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +81.5
 * Army – +88.2 (294,000)
 * Location – -3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL – +25
 * Blunder – -1
 * Attrition – -25% (3; moderate winter)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – +5
 * Army – +1.5 (5,000)
 * Location – +3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -0


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * all 294,000 survive
 * China
 * no survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 103 + (5 - 81.5) = +26.5

369.8% in-favour of Korea

TOTAL WAR SCORE: 820.8% + 369.8% = 1,190.6% (Battle Tier IV)


 * All of the Gansu corridor conquered

Second battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +103
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)
 * Moral-debuff – -5


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +45.9
 * Army – +42.75 (142,500)
 * Location – -3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL – +25
 * Blunder – -3
 * Attrition – -25% (3; moderate winter)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – +5.2
 * Army – +5.7 (19,000)
 * Location – +3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -4


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * 142,500 * 0.94 = 133,950 survivors
 * China
 * 19,000 * 0.7 = 13,300 survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 103 + (5.2 - 45.9) = +62.3

157.3% in-favour of Korea

TOTAL WAR SCORE: 180.6% + 157.3% = 337.9% (Battle Tier II)


 * Fifth of Sichuan conquered

Third battle

 * Pre-war stage
 * China (defending)
 * Result – +103
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +25 (Tier V)
 * Economy – +25 (Tier V)
 * Moral-debuff – -5


 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +98
 * Population – +50 (capped)
 * Location – -0
 * Government – +8 (Celestial Empire)
 * Technology – +20 (Tier IV)
 * Economy – +20 (Tier IV)


 * Battle stage
 * Korea (attacking)
 * Result – +94.1
 * Army – +105 (350,000)
 * Location – -3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL – +25
 * Blunder – -1
 * Attrition – -25% (3; moderate winter)


 * China (defending)
 * Result – +3.5
 * Army – +4 (13,300)
 * Location – +3.5 (near city)
 * GG/GA/GL - N/A
 * Blunder – -4


 * Casualties
 * Korea
 * All 350,000 survive
 * China
 * No survivors


 * Final stage
 * Korea – +98
 * China – 103 + (3.5 - 94.1) = +12.4

790.3% in-favour of Korea

TOTAL WAR SCORE: 180.6% + 157.3% + 790.3% = 1,128.2% (Battle Tier III)


 * All of Sichuan conquered

1636

 * Pre-War Stage
 * Siam (Attacking)
 * Result: 39
 * Population: +20 (5,000,000)
 * Government: +6 (Absolute feudal)
 * Technology: +10 (Tier 3)
 * Economy: +3 (Tier 1)
 * Cambodia (Defending)
 * Result: 21.4
 * Population: +2.4 (600,000)
 * Government: +6 (Absolute feudal)
 * Technology: +10 (Tier 3)
 * Economy: +3 (Tier 1)
 * Battle Stage
 * Siege of Phnom Penh
 * Siam (Attacking)
 * Result: 7
 * Army Size: +15 (50,000)
 * Location: Besieging a center of government/very well-fortified city: -8
 * Great General: 0
 * Blunder:
 * Attrition: 0
 * Cambodia (Defending)
 * Result: 13.8
 * Army/Navy Size: +1.8 (6,000)
 * Location: Besieged center of government/very well-fortified city: +12
 * Great General: 0
 * Blunder:
 * Attrition: 0
 * Result: 130% in favor of Siam -- the Siamese troops are unable to capture the city
 * Casualties: Unknown

1639

 * Pre-War Stage
 * Siam (Attacking)
 * Result: 39
 * Population: +20 (5,000,000)
 * Government: +6 (Absolute feudal)
 * Technology: +10 (Tier 3)
 * Economy: +3 (Tier 1)
 * Cambodia (Defending)
 * Result: 21.4
 * Population: +2.4 (600,000)
 * Government: +6 (Absolute feudal)
 * Technology: +10 (Tier 3)
 * Economy: +3 (Tier 1)
 * Battle Stage
 * Siege of Phnom Penh
 * Siam (Attacking)
 * Result: -3.1
 * Army Size: +.9 (3000)
 * Location: Besieging a major city: -4
 * Great General: 0
 * Blunder:
 * Attrition: 0
 * Cambodia (Defending)
 * Result: 4.3
 * Army/Navy Size: +.3(1800)
 * Location: Besieging a major city: +4
 * Great General: 0
 * Blunder:
 * Attrition: 0
 * Result: 139% in favor of Siam
 * Casualties: Unknown

Results Whole War

 * 130+139= 269%

Discussion
Siam can't field 500k troops.

Well I have a population of like 5 million but if anything is wrong pls do fix it. - Scar

Meaning you can field roughly one percent of your population (assuming you are non-feudal). You are currently ten-times your limit then.

I believe you are using the wrong algorithm for this (there is a newer one). Also, scroll down the talk page for info on how to calculate army sizes. If you have 5 million population and are an absolute monarchy, you should be able to field about 120,000 troops. General534 (talk) 21:14, March 29, 2017 (UTC)

Mali defence aginst Benin

 * ==Pre War Stage===
 * Mahrib/Mali: + 66.5
 * Population: + 4 million (16)/ 8 million 32
 * Government: +5
 * Economy: + 3.5
 * Technology: + 10
 * Bernie :P: 79
 * Population: + 16 million (64)
 * Government: +5 (council?)
 * Economy: +3
 * Technology: +7
 * Benin invasion of Mali
 * Maghrib: +.26
 * Army Size: 20 (200,000)/
 * Near the center of government/state: +6
 * Great Leader: +0
 * Attrition: +0
 * Blunder:
 * Benine: 34.5
 * Army Size: 30  (300,000)
 * Navy Size: 0
 * Location:Near the center of government/state: +4.5
 * Great General: +0
 * Attrition: +0
 * Blunder:
 * Result
 * Maghrib: 92.5
 * Benin Score: 109
 * Battle Tier: 1
 * Casualties:

Burgundian Theater

 * Pre war stage
 * Anglo-France: 107
 * Population: 50
 * Government: 7
 * Economy: 25
 * Tech: 25
 * Prussia-Burgundy: 106
 * Population: 50
 * Government: 6
 * Economy: 25
 * Tech: 25


 * Battle Stage
 * Naval Battle of Dieppe
 * Prusso-Burgundian Fleet
 * Result: 48.74
 * Navy Size: 54.24 (819 Burgundian, 788 Hanseatic [78% of entire navy], 201 Prussian [78% of entire navy])
 * Location: -3.5
 * Blunder: -2
 * French fleet
 * Result: 14.8
 * Navy size: 15.3 (510 French)
 * Location: 3.5
 * Blunder: -4
 * Result: 127% to Burgundy so no convincing victory.
 * Casulties: 26 ships to France and 90 ships to Germans
 * Prusso-Burgundian Fleet
 * Result: 48.04
 * Navy Size: 51.54 (819 Burgundian, 788 Hanseatic [78% of entire navy], 201 Prussian [78% of entire navy])
 * Location: -3.5
 * French fleet
 * Result: 18.2
 * Navy size: 14.52 (484 French)
 * Location: 3.5
 * Result: 127% (first phase) + 123% (second phase) = 250% Germans win
 * Casulties: 72 french ships and 172 German ships

Southern Theater

 * Pre war stage
 * Iberia: 106
 * Population: 50 (capped)
 * Government: 6
 * Economy: 25
 * Tech: 25
 * France: 107
 * Population: 50 (capped)
 * Government: 7
 * Economy: 25
 * Tech: 25


 * Battle stage
 * Siege of Perpignan
 * Iberia
 * Result: 41
 * Army size: 45
 * Location: -4
 * France:
 * Result: 4.6
 * Army size: .6
 * Location: 4
 * Result: 106+ 41= 147 and 107+ 4.6=   111.6 so 147 divided by 111.6= 130% to Iberia so Iberia doesn't actually take it.
 * Battle of Perpignan
 * France (defending)
 * Result: 44
 * Army size: 42
 * Location: +4
 * Blunder: -2
 * Iberia (attacking)
 * Result: 37
 * Army size: 45
 * Location: -4
 * Blunder: -4
 * Result: 105% to France so both sides hold position.
 * Casualties:
 * Iberia: 7,500
 * France: 7,000

Discussion
I have said this whole algo is rubbish further down in the page and the algo itself is also wrong so I am not even going to acknodlge it. How does France take 35,000 casulties even if this was right. I am just not even acknodlgeing this. Person67 (talk) 23:25, March 27, 2017 (UTC)

France takes 35,000 casualties because of the siege rules, if the ratio of opposing troops in a siege is around 1-1, the attackers take an additional 20% casualties (5% base casualties [battle tier 0] + 20% = 25% = 35,000 casualties). I am that guy (talk) 23:44, March 27, 2017 (UTC)

This doesn't make sense. Two pre-war scores and only one battle score? And Iberia was invading, not France. Whoever made this algo please redo Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess  01:04, March 28, 2017 (UTC)

Edge confirmed that he invaded in 1635, so the French would be defending. This isn't official until the right beligerants are used Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess  01:16, March 28, 2017 (UTC)
 * (Cross-posting explanation from chat by request from Natemod) Iberia is fighting a defensive battle because the location of the battle is significantly closer to the Iberian border than it is from Montlucon (where several posts from Oct/Person state the reserve army is to be kept so it can respond to a potential Iberian declaration of war. What I imagined, was that the French army marched south when word of the French invasion reached them (which is what they were meant to do, according to Persons/Octs posts), however, due to the difference in marching distances (made evident by this map) the French army arrived after the city had fallen, and thus are attacking to liberate it. Also changed the location of the battle, and changed it from a siege to a battle as per a compromise with Nate. I am that guy (talk) 01:45, March 28, 2017 (UTC)
 * Also added initial siege with standard garrison of 2,000, as per Nate and Scraw request. I am that guy (talk) 01:51, March 28, 2017 (UTC)
 * You don't even win the siege of Perignan, you get a 130% which is not enough to take a fortress. He isn't past Perignan. Giving enough time for the french army to work back and presumably occupy their own positions, again you can't decide what the french troops are doing. If you had posted properly in the right turn Oct could have reacted and speicified a response. Person67 (talk) 06:55, March 28, 2017 (UTC)

Assault on Brunei

 * Pre War stage
 * Burgundy:57.75
 * Population: 1.75
 * Government: 6
 * Economy: 25
 * Tech: 25


 * France: 60.34
 * Population: 3.4
 * Government: 7
 * Economy: 25
 * Tech: 25


 * Battle stage
 * Assault on Brunei
 * Burgundy
 * Result: 18.85
 * Army size: 19.8
 * Navy size: 4.05
 * Location: -4
 * Blunder: -1
 * Brunei
 * Result: 30.05
 * Army size: 24
 * Navy size: 4.05
 * Location: 4
 * Blunder: -2
 * Result: 118% defense victory
 * Final Result: French-Java victory

Discussion
I put in the defense numebrs oct gave me, which would seem to turn this around to a French defensive victory. I left the second, defunct algo up for comparison, so if Feud wants to check it over he can compare the two scenarios side-by-side Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess  02:07, March 27, 2017 (UTC)

I did the Montpellier algo on the assumption that the French army of 140,000 moved south to fight off the Iberian invasion (going by Person/Octs posts, this is what it was meant to do). Since Montpellier is much closer to the border than it is to Montlucon, I assumed the undefended city would've fallen to the Iberians before the French army arrived, hence why Iberia is the defender, and France the attacker. I am that guy (talk) 22:40, March 27, 2017 (UTC)

France never officially reconquered Brunei/Borneo from Japan, the 2nd algo was never made to make the conquest official -Kame

The second algo was done, KK (albeit a bit late) Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess  01:08, March 28, 2017 (UTC)

=Complaints and Upgrades=

Changes to Current Map
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Requested Changes/Errors for Next Version
Something akin to what India should be Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess  14:54, March 24, 2017 (UTC)

Nate, there was an agreement and in that Jammu Kashmir and OTL NWFP were ceded to Aryavarta.

Forgot to add a map when the Turkman Sultanate became indepedent -Nate

The English colony of Avalon (the one on the St. Lawrence), New Netherlands, Calais, and the English Channel Islands are now owned by Burgundy. Guyana has also been expanding 50px west per turn since the last map. The Cape Charles Colony (otl Cape of good hope), Avelskamp (former Scandinavian colony on otl Newfoundland), and Nova Belgica (former Scandinavian colony on otl Nova Scotia) have all also been expanding 50px per turn. I am that guy (talk) 18:13, February 19, 2017 (UTC)

As per the peace terms with Scandinavia, Holstein, Schleswig, and Oldenburg should be colored Prussias color. I am that guy (talk) 07:42, February 26, 2017 (UTC)

The Scandinavian Empire has explored up into Lappland and made settlements, please color that in Türtlelørđχ 12:58, February 27, 2017 (UTC)

Saxony has now a player and isn't coloured in, I don't care about the colour you guys pick Teutonician (talk) 08:57, February 28, 2017 (UTC)

Swahili expands



England: Scotland and Ireland are now mine. The expansion of my existing in Arcadia colonies to connect by now and just grow bigger. I have a colony around Maputo, Mozambique. Person67 (talk) 08:36, March 19, 2017 (UTC)

Maiam has been expanding south for a few decades... Co

ur *talk* 01:28, March 20, 2017 (UTC) This is my update for the 'Mahrib' Sultanate, 



1 for my desert move and the other for my new world move

Much of what you claim in Argentina is completely uninhabited, even today. You should expand further north, away from Antarctica. Here is what I think would be the actual extent of your colony:



General534 (talk) 11:57, March 20, 2017 (UTC)



This is the final map of India. All changes have been agreed to. Light Violet is Punjab Confederacy. Dark Violet is Telangana (Vassal of Aryavarta). Pink is England and Brown is the area of the Bahmani. The territory has been distributed according to the mod event. Dev Here (Beware) 07:28, March 22, 2017 (UTC)

Edited your map to remove anti-aliasing which could be problematic for the mapmaker. I suggest you turn it off next time you make a map. General534 (talk) 13:34, March 22, 2017 (UTC)

' ABSOLUTELY NO ANTI-ALIASING. THIS CREATES GRAINY UNEDITABLE SHIT MAPS. IF YOUR MAP IS USING ANTI-ALIASING YOUR CHANGES WILL NOT BE REFLECTED. '

18:53, March 24, 2017 (UTC)

Shanxi has been fully conquered. Central China (area comprising roughly Henan, Jiangsu, Anhui, and Hubei) area are all fully conquered. {{CandySig}]

The Franco-Papal border should follow the pre-Hitlerite French border (that bit with the thin blue outline back when Hitler had his own colour). Callumthered (talk) 02:32, March 28, 2017 (UTC)

Ancona/Marche and most of Emilia-Romagna (specifically Ferrara, Forlì-Cesena, Ravenna and Rimini.), basicly the Adriatic coast of the Papal States is now Venetian after our agreement.              Ungern Von Sternberg   A Man's GREATEST Joy is Crushing his Enemies   13:02, March 30, 2017 (UTC)

Changes Completed/Fixed in Next Version
This section is only for the mapmaker to post which changes were added to the next map, PLEASE DO NOT WRITE YOUR REQUESTS HERE.


 * Korean conquests in China
 * Indochina colors
 * Oyo Emirate
 * Iberian colonial expansion
 * Scandinavian colonial expansion
 * Burgundian, French, and English occupation and colonial expansion
 * Russian colonization of Siberia
 * Arawakan expansion
 * New Maghreb colony in South America

Mod Event Complaint
When complaining, please include the year of the event that you are complaining about.

Anangu Kingdom - 1569

 * I'm assuming this has been happening for a while, but I just noticed it in 1569 and the map complaints page. What is this bs with the Anangu Kingdom? A civilization of this size could not, and should not, exist in Australia in the given time period. It especially should not be developing at the rate that the mods are claiming. Cour *talk* 02:53, January 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree, plus the population growth rates are grossly exaggerated. It is unlikely for a state to go from a few dozen thousand to approaching two million within a century, and certainly impossible if it is in the pre-industrial age.
 * I don't want to start an argument as I am not wedded to the Anangu Kingdom, but I will give some explanation. The original tribe I started playing as, the Ngarrindjeri, started in 1440 with a population of 6,000.  The total population of southern Australia, including all tribes (that I estimated), was about 300,000. After the Ngarrindjeri developed agiculture, that knowledge spread across the rest of Southern Australia to all the tribes. Thus, all of Southern Australia's population began to increase exponentially from the food production, eventually devleoping cities and city-states. The Ngarrinjderi themselves, which was only one city-state among many, rose in population from about 6,000 in 1440 to now roughly 200,000 in 1570. The total population of Southern Australia, from all the tribes rose from about 300,000 in 1440 to now 1.8 million in 1570. As for its size, there is a reason I didn't post a map until this point. The South Australian Civilization was only a collection of dis-united city-states until around 1560. Rather than one nation conuqering that  whole area, which would have been impossible, the Anangu Kingdom formed as a result of multiple unions and conquests internally that unified the city-states together, just like any other civilization in history. As a single, organized state, the Anangu Kingdom first appeared in 1560, before conuqering other more tribal areas nearby (and I don't expect it to last very long before fracturing). Also, the fact that the South Australian Civilization is only bronze-age technology helps its unification. If the city-states were very well developed like China or Italy, it would have been much harder for them to conquer or unify with each other. Now, I will admit that I compressed the usual timeline of civlization growth for the sake of creating something interesting for the game, so again I'm not completely wedded to it if anyone else doesn't really like the idea. Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess  13:17, January 16, 2017 (UTC)

Bengal events 1604-1605
Bengal doesnt have 300,000 troops. There are 10% Muslims in Aryavarta and that is 10 million so they have an army of 100,000. I had 50,000 troops there already and I should also be give a chance to put up my troop numbers. I swear Scraw had approved me having a 1 mil army. So I retain West Bengal and East Bengal is independent not its vassals. Also since there are 10 mil Muslims they create their own army and Hindus are not loyal to them. There are 100,000 Burmese troops and I will use them in the algo. Secondly I have clearly stated that there are 1300 ships in the Bay of Bengal so no Rashidun troops reach Bengal. You have adjusted my algo to 800,000 troops. Now there are another 200,000 and 100,000 Burmese. So due to me having only 1 million. There is no invasion of South Bahmani. As a result there are even more troops in Bengal.

There is no way there will be more than 10% Muslims in Aryavarta also Bengal has 10 million that is all the Muslims. No Hindus support the rebellion and they definitely do not join their army. Muslims ruled solidly for at least 400 years in India under the Mughals and still they were just 25% in 1947.

I had clearly stated that my navy is in the Bay of Bengal and I swear that Scraw approved me having a 1 mil army. Also I have changed the algo. Nate and Warrior adjusted my algo to 800,000 but I have 200,000 more.

As I am not absolutely non feudal that is why Scraw has allowed me to use the 0.01 of my population.

Dev271 (talk) 07:14, February 19, 2017 (UTC)

Various miscellaneous complaints (mostly Rajput) - 1623
^^ SALTY AF

We didn't mean that all the military revolted, just the Rajput loyal to the nobles of Maratha. All that would cause is decreasing your mlitary by 60%.
 * Where a nation like Swahili (3 million = 280 ships) can send 800 ships. Where special nations are exempt from questions on their population. From the wikipedia, the Ottomans (1600) had a population of 26 million but today the country that mirrors it is at 50 million and still the mirroring country is smaller than OTL Ottomans(Anatolia, Bulgaria, Albania, Serbia, Moldavia, Bosnia,Wallachia).
 * Again from Wikipedia - When OTL Persia under the Safavid dynasty under its greatest extent under Shah Abbas 1 (1588-1629) had a population of 3.2 million, but the country that mirrors it which is smaller boasts of a population of 15 million. According to Ottoman pop. in 1600 the smaller country should have 10-15 million.
 * These two mirroring countries deploy forces larger than they can. Where the countries who dont have a reason for naval growth can take up Malay islands. But another country in the South of India is told that it is too far from Java to care about it. (Drake and France). This is implausible af.
 * Aryavarta has had 5 Rajput kings out of 7. These were kings of the Rajput nations themselves. They integrated them during their reign. Rajputs are adequately represented in the council I dont even touch Maratha territory. Marathi is not even spoken in my nation.
 * My army is not composed of the Rajputs. This was senseless considering the amount of Rajputs my council has and that they have a different province - Rajputana and the Rajputs are its governors.
 * Persia- At max 3 million. Not 15 million. Warrior says it is 15 million.
 * I accept that India had a pop. of 100 mil. (Moreland's estimate is highly debated though). But the North would have 60 million because of density differences. Also I promise to the mod council I will not expand more (except Ahom). Let me have my nation as it is now and I will lay low. I promise.
 * I do agree - DrDrake
 * Actually Dev, I cannot find the ridiculous 3 million pop claim. I searched for it. And, feud says my nation is at 11 mil, nate says it is at 15 mil, when rimp ruled it and it had a lot of territory it was at 35 mil. 3 mil is ridiculous, sources can be very shaky. The population of Iran has not been that low since the Mongol Conquests. ~Warrior
 * Iran proper has a population of four million or so. However, Iran in-game also has parts of Pakistan.
 * The part of Pakistan that Iran has is not the fertile areas. It is Balochistan and the Tribal area not having more than 500,000 people.
 * He's literally holding the entirety of the Indus River valley. If that's not "fertile", I don't know what is.
 * Yes, you are correct, Iran proper has about 4 million however, due to the indus river, I have an additional 10 mil or so. ~ Warrior

I believe in OTL the middle east, Zanzibar and Persia did have lower populations than ATL, and this is primarily due to the 50 million poeple of the Timurid Empire not collapsing in war and famine as OTL. The Caliphate's population in the middle east was reduced to 30 million in the early 16 century and has been growing at the same rate as OTL, just with a higher principle. It is also compensated by the fact Swahili adapted more advanced agricultural methods than OTL relative to their area, so their population increased as a result. Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess  23:29, March 11, 2017 (UTC)

Also, I have indus river, another 10 mil people. So Iran has more people than OTL, plus the 10 mil in the indus river. So even more than 15 mil dev. ~Warrior

Asside from those two issues, there really isn't anything implausible about the revolt as posted. The Maratha, as you know, broke off at the same time OTL, and was about the same scale and structure.

Now, if you promise, as you say, to leave Bengal as it was before and expand nowhere except Assam as you said, then we would cause the revolt to resovle itself. Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess  19:38, March 11, 2017 (UTC)

So it appears dev is right about the Indus. However, the confirmed population of Gurkani following the treaty of Batman was 19 million after its signing. I also have sindh now, and qatar. The reason it is so much higher than OTL is as nathan said, " 50 million poeple of the Timurid Empire not collapsing in war and famine as OTL." So my population is somewhere around 20 mil. enough said.

user talk: Warrioroffreedom123 08:40, March 12, 2017 (UTC)Warrioroffreedom123


 * =====Maghrib Naval Invasion of Benine=====
 * ===Pre War Stage===
 * Mahrib: + 34.5
 * Population: + 4 million (16)
 * Government: +5
 * Economy: + 3.5
 * Technology: + 10
 * Bernie :P: 23
 * Population: + 2 million (8)
 * Government: +5 (council?)
 * Economy: +3
 * Technology: +7
 * Naval Insion of Benie
 * Maghrib: +41.
 * Army Size: 12 (40,000)
 * Navy Size: 10.3 (100 ships)
 * Location:Near a city: +3.5
 * Great Leader: +0
 * Attrition: +0
 * Blunder:
 * Benine: 5.22
 * Army Size:  2.22 (7,405)
 * Navy Size: 0
 * Location: Near a city: +3.5
 * Great General: +0
 * Attrition: +0
 * Blunder:
 * Result
 * Maghrib: 75.5
 * Benine Score: 28.5
 * Battle Tier: Tier 1
 * Casualties:
 * ===2nd MAGRIB SEA INASION===
 * ===Pre War Stage===
 * Mahrib: + 34.5
 * Population: + 4 million (16)
 * Government: +5
 * Economy: + 3.5
 * Technology: + 10
 * Bernie :P: 23
 * Population: + 2 million (8)
 * Government: +5 (council?)
 * Economy: +3
 * Technology: +7
 * Naval Insion of Benie
 * Maghrib: +41.
 * Army Size: 12 (40,000)
 * Navy Size: 10.3 (100 ships)
 * Location:Near a city: +3.5
 * Great Leader: +0
 * Attrition: +0
 * Blunder:
 * Benine: 5.22
 * Army Size:  2.22 (7,405)
 * Navy Size: 0
 * Location: Near a city: +3.5
 * Great General: +0
 * Attrition: +0
 * Blunder:
 * Result
 * Maghrib:75.5
 * Benine Score: 28.5
 * Battle Tier: Tier 3:
 * Casualties:

Maghreb invasion of Haratin Tribes

 * ===Pre War Stage===
 * Mahrib: + 34.5
 * Population: + 4 million (16)
 * Government: +5
 * Economy: + 3.5
 * Technology: + 10
 * Haratin: 9.2
 * Population: + 50,000 (0.2)
 * Government: +Tribal (5)
 * Economy: + 2
 * Technology: + 2
 * Invasion of Haratin Tribes
 * Maghrib: +13.5
 * Army Size: 10 (10,000)
 * Location:Near a city: +3.5
 * Great Leader: +0
 * Attrition: +0
 * Blunder:
 * Benine: 5.22
 * Army Size:  2.5 (5,000)
 * Navy Size: 0
 * Location: Near a city: +3.5
 * Great General: +0
 * Attrition: +0
 * Blunder:
 * Result
 * Maghrib: 48
 * Benine Score: 14.42
 * Battle Tier: Tier 3

Discussion
As I said, there is no such thing as a Haratin tribe. General534 (talk) 20:35, March 29, 2017 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haratin

~Warrior

Concentrations
The Concentration system is new to Pm4. In this system, nations will either pick a concentration between the Army or the Navy, as no nations, with some extreme exceptions, could afford both at this period in time. How it will work is this:
 * 1) Nations will pick a concentration, assuming they have a choice. Nations that are landlocked can only pick Army, while nations like Genoa or OTL Venice can only pick Navy. You will need to recive mod approval for which ever you pick
 * 2) Your concentration can be officially changed every 30 years, although the mods may change it via event depending on the actions of your nations or wars you get involved in. An example of this would be something along the lines of the Spanish Armada. After a destruction like that, Spain would have to switch from Naval to Army because its prized navy was destroyed. Events like that can and will force changes in your concentraction.
 * 3) Your concentration will give you a 10% boost in the respective algorithim as long as it is changed without mod event.
 * 4) Simply add it to the table below to declare it (Add more rows if needed)
 * 5) If the cell with your concentration is green, that means you are currently getting the bonus. If it is red it was forced to change by a mod event. If it is gray it was never approved in the first place.

EDIT:Since there was some confusion on chat, I will explain. In AP Euro one of the thigns we discussed was what led to the rise of France and England as two of the dominant powers in Europe, and what made the two nations different. One of the things brought up is how even France, which during the rise of nation states, was among the richest and most powerful nations in Europe and the world. However, even they could not afford a powerful army and navy, so they where forced to choose between the two. France picked their army, and England picked their navy. Both nations had capable Armies and Navies, but the French navy was noticably weaker than the English navy and the English army was noticably weaker than the French Army.  This doesn't mean you can't develop both , but at this time, nations focused on one, often at expense of the other.

African Sultanate of Maghrib | Navy | 1605 | 1635 | -

Explanations of lack of Approval
Feel free to dispute it in a civil manner, and if it gets out of hand you will get a three day game ban.

Colonization and Contact Confirmation
In order for you to colonize or explore another region of the world, you must be confirmed through this process. Message me with any questions or concerns. Add more rows as needed.
 * 1) You must follow all rules laid out in the rules page.
 * 2)  You must show two things to colonize: Capability and Motivation. If you lack one, you can not colonize
 * 3)  Your reasons must be confirmed by 3 mods. Even if you have waited 15 turns for an answer, it does not matter. Pester a mod into giving you a yes or no.
 * 4) Mods can say no. If one of them says no don't try and pretend they ignored it.
 * 5) You can only seek to confirm the nation you play as and nothing more.
 * 6) When seeking confirmation, you want to include the date you would begin colonizing. If you want to do it right away, put the turn of your request.
 * 7) If a mod finds this date to be too early or too late even, they should inform the player as such. Not every nation colonized at once so if you decide to try in jump in right away, even if you have the means and the motive to do so, you may be rejected because of the date.

'''IF YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY VOTES, IT MEANS YOU CANNOT COLONIZE OR EXPLORE. DO NOT TAKE SILENCE AS APPROVAL.'''

Access for Landlocked polities
Requiring 2/3 approval of mods, which currently means 4 mods.

Augsburg
Mods only
 * Yes
 * No
 * I know you would be able to make tiny ports like OTL Malta or something, but that gets so minor it might as well not even be mentioned Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess  00:58, November 30, 2016 (UTC)
 * 22:45, December 22, 2016 (UTC)
 * Deadly State of Mind (talk) 14:15, January 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * Abstain

Tier Upgrade
When requesting an upgrade, use the following format:

*Nation (player) **Current tier and tier you would like to be upgraded to **Provide reasoning **Mod response here

Economic Tier Upgrade

 * The Caliphate
 * Tier 4, trying for Tier 5
 * Tier 4 was the tier for the Caliphate back before the Persian War. Since then, The Caliphate has dominated the Silk Road trade by land, via the Compact of Beyrut, and by sea, via the Arab-Indian Company. Not to mention the exclusive trade deals with Bulgaria and the creation of the Bank of Cairo
 * Mod response: Approved. ~Wolvesmod
 * Norway -- Dream_Helix_Fossil_Sprite.png Praise Helix Welcome my children Tumblr_n1i7boISUv1rvlenbo1_500.gif
 * Tier 3 trying for 4
 * Norway has inherited and now owns sweden a tier 4 economy since we have it is only natural that we now become a tier 4 economy.
 * Mod Response- Approved. ~Wolvesmod
 * Sakha - Shikata ga nai! 02:49, January 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * Upgrade from Tier I to Tier II
 * Because of substantial trade with East Asia, mining activity, development of settled agriculture due to reforms. Also the Yakuts have long had metallurgy and more modern technology, plus greater political organization and technology than most tribes, that facilitate economic development.
 * Mod Response- Approved. ~Wolvesmod


 * Malaya (Sidewinder)
 * Upgrade from unknown to Tier II
 * Trade hotspot in Straits of Malacca, as well as upgrades in trading ports.


 * Korea
 * Tier 4, trying for Tier 5
 * Korea is now China. Self-explanatory.
 * Mod Response:


 * Kingdom of England and Ireland
 * Tier 3 and I would like to be tier 4
 * Well I now control Ireland, I have been doing trade with Asia, Africa and Arcadia. I got money from the loss of Avalon. I built a load of canals, my population grew. I am pursuring merchantile policies. Similiar and no longer existing European nations are listed as Tier IV and Tier V
 * Mod response:
 * Tondo
 * Tier 2 and would like tier 4
 * Trade hotspot between the west and the orient. Tributary status under China provides much wealth for the nation. Tondo is also a major trading partner for multiple European nations. Tondo also has settlements in Borneo, a very resource rich area.

Tech Tier Upgrade

 * Delhi Raj (Dev271 (talk) 10:27, December 31, 2016 (UTC))
 * Unknown (Delhi is not listed). Delhi should be Tier IV.
 * Because of the use of gunpowder, artillery, firearms, communication and postal system from sultanate times, not a feudal nation.
 * Mod Response- Approved. Deadly State of Mind (talk) 13:53, January 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * Sakha - Shikata ga nai! 02:47, January 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * Upgrade from Tier I to Tier 2
 * Because of substantial contact with East Asian nations which has resulted in adoption of modern technology to some degree, incentivized by mining and immigration to profit from it. Also the Yakuts have long had metallurgy since before they migrated to Siberia (http://www.geocurrents.info/place/russia-ukraine-and-caucasus/siberia/the-yakut-sakha-migration-to-central-siberia).
 * Mod Response- Approved. Deadly State of Mind (talk) 13:53, January 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * Korea
 * Tier III to Tier IV
 * Korea has independently discovered gunpowder during the late 14th century, and during the same period Korea was one of the first countries to mass-implement the usage of naval artillery. In the 15th century, Korea had the first armoured ship (the "turtleship", though this is the slightly different older model mentioned in the Annals of Joseon), measured meteorology (creating the first Korean rain gauge) for agricultural purposes, and made various astronomical clocks to measure astrology. Not to mention, Korea also uses advanced firearms (such at the matchlock whose blueprints were obtained from Gurkani merchants), and locally-produced gunpowder weapons; all with the access to China, the most advanced national technologically in-game.
 * Mod response – Approved. Deadly State of Mind (talk) 13:53, January 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * Knights Hospitaller
 * Unknown to Tier III (or Tier II if mod decides)
 * The Knights have been weakened but we still have retained modern technology and have been taking in skilled immigrants building small universities and schools. We have also been building up infrastructure while we are also reorganising our military. We are non-feudal and try to encourag innovation. We are at least a tech level above the natives and higher native civilisations and are probably Tier III. If Tier III is deemed too high please place the tech at least at Tier II.
 * Malaya (Sidewinder)
 * Unknown to Tier II (Or which every Tier the mod decides on)
 * Malaya has implemented Chinese and Aryavarta technologies into its navy, and has state capitals that are quite developed. Firearm technology has been encountered and replicated, from China or Gurkani. Trade from Europe also brings technological progress to some extent.
 * Japan (KawaiiKame)
 * Unknown to Tier IV
 * Japan has implmented Burgundian naval designs, recieved the idea of heliocentrism from Korea in Busan and the Papal States in Nagasaki, and has recieved technological advancements from Burgundy, Korea, Iberia, and the Papal States.


 * Korea
 * Tier 4 to Tier 5
 * Korea is now China. Self-explanatory.
 * Mod response –
 * Tondo
 * Unknown to Tier 3
 * The influx of Chinese and European trade has bode well for Tondos technological achievements. The navy is very advanced for the standards in its region, implementing some european designs.
 * Mod response


 * Kingdom of Masqat and Oman
 * Unknown (Oman is not listed) - Should be Tier 3
 * Oman has made use of gunpowder, firearms and artillery since the dawn of the early modern period. Our ships, which are expertly designed to navigate the Indian Ocean, are fitted with deck-mounted cannons and swivel guns (newer models are fitted in the Burgundian style). They are built in the shipyards of ports such as Sur and Sohar. Our wood and coir comes from Madagascar, the Swahili Coast, and India, part of an extensive trade network. Oman's navy (and to some extent army) has a meritocratic promotion system ensuring we have skilled commanders. Oman trades with just about everyone in the Indian Ocean, most importantly the Caliphate, so their technological ideas often spread to us. We are also pretty good at building forts and mosques if you ask me. We have also recently received assistance from the Caliphate on our artillery tech.
 * Mod Response:

Discussion
=Information and Resources=

Current Map
1615

The New Algo is now Formated(by me)
So, Um, I took the liberty of formating the new algo for wiki. Made some minor syntax/spelling changes (ex. reare -- rare). If I screwed up too much please tell me, but I think that it would be best to give players access to the new algo proto, right?

Some of the things people wrote...lets just say I cleared some things up, wrote some explanations a bit more eloquently. If I screwed up too much, please let me know, and in the case that I did, well, its a good thing that This is not the official algo format then, eh?-Lx (leave me a message) 23:16, October 21, 2016 (UTC)

There will be one algorithm, for every battle, until disengages or the army is destroyed. This carries on until a treaty is signed or total victory is achieved by the victors. There are two stages to every algorithm—the pre-war stage, and the battle stage. The battle stage may be repeated up to 3 times per year, depending on how large the war is, in population and nation size. It is extremely important to read this page: War Mechanics, as it has more specifics on how the algorithm will work.

Location
Location is Determined by your location relative to your combatant.

The percentage of your population which can count towards the algo will change in relation to the region you’re located in. At maximum your population will count in full in one connected region from your home region. Sea zones do not count, and will be considered a detrimental region to all unless you maintain a naval concentration. Which negates this. While negating the sea attrition to your population score will be in full as you land on the land region.

For each movement beyond your initially no detriment region allowance. so moving from Say Eastern Europe to Western Europe (which has to go through central europe) 20% of your population will effectively not be counted in the algorithm to symbolize the difficulty of resupply of a major army abroad infrastructural issues etc etc.. If your invading another continent then you suffer an automatic 35% reduction of your population involvement. Unless your an empire which stradles continents (Byzantines, Ottomans, Russia just a few examples)

Extra continental invasions which are forced to cross more than 2 major sea regions or are geographically seperated as conventional history dictates, will suffer from major penalties

The least percentage of population included will remain capped at 5%

Region penalties are cumulative (i.e. add all that apply)
 * List of Region Modifiers for Attackers
 * Same Region: 0%
 * Bordering Region - Land: 0%
 * Bordering Region - Sea: -(20)%
 * Naval concentration: No penalty
 * Next Region over (add as applicable): -(20)%
 * On Same continent: No penalty
 * Other Continent:-35%
 * Multi-continental Empire: +35%
 * Stacking Penalty Limit: -95%

Example:

 * Naples with a naval concentration invades Southern France.
 * Naples starting region: Southern Europe
 * France Starting Region: Western Europe
 * Sea attrition (Med sea) which is canceled out by naval concentration.
 * Southern Europe to Western Europe with a naval concentration leaves out any attrition allowing the full force of the Neapolitan population to count.
 * (note a map will be made which will discuss and work out the specifics of regions. However before this time, mods should be relatively able to answer the questions about which region your nation resides in.

Population
The first thing done is an algo is that the population is found of the entire alliance for both sides—leading nation, allies, and vassals.
 * (Total Population * 0.02)/5000 = Score.
 * Only up to +50 counts Population score cap (until further notice)

Government
If the government of the leading nation is a ...
 * Revolutionary Republic +15 (1750 at the earliest)
 * Federal Republic +13 (1750)
 * Democratic Republic: +13 (1750)
 * Republican Dictatorship: +12 (1750)
 * Totalitarian Dictatorship: +10 (1750)
 * Clarified for those in wonder. 
 * Great Nomadic Horde - +8
 * Celestial Empire (China, Japan) - +8
 * Absolute Monarchy - +7
 * Westminster Monarchy (England) - +6
 * Absolute Feudal Monarchy - +6
 * Elective Monarchy - + 5
 * Feudal Monarchy - +5
 * Iqta' (Islamic Feudalism) - +5
 * Theocracy - +5
 * Oligarchy/Council - +6
 * Warlord/Tribal - +5
 * Free City (Holy Roman Empire) - +5
 * Merchant Republic - +5

(more types will be added as we progress through the game and more modern types of government are invented.)

Economy

 * Tier I - +5
 * Tier II - +7
 * Tier III - +10
 * Tier IV - +15
 * Tier V - +20

Technology

 * Tier I - +5
 * Tier II - +7
 * Tier III - +10
 * Tier IV - +15
 * Tier V - +20

Tiers will scale with the time period and will be subject to moderator approval as well as my own. Note that tech tiers for coalitions will be counted as a weighted average based on troops sent to war.

If an Industrial state multiple your tech and eco score by 50% respectively.

Battle Stage
This stage may be repeated up to 3 times, depending on the size and scale of the war. Note that in this stage, "Attacker" does not mean the nation that declared war first, but means the nation that is in the enemy's territory, attacking enemy cities or troops.

Army/Navy Size
If you are having trouble with army sizes, or your suggested army size is implausible, ask any moderator for the maximum army size you can field. Army size includes all allies and vassals on the same front. Now on top of this in an era with enlarging populations, you can reconstitute your armies with roughly a 60% rebuild. Which means if your entire army is wiped out you can bring reconstitue upwards of 60% of the armies strength.

Finding Maximum Army/Navy Size
.3 per 1000 men

.3 per 10 ships
 * Army
 * Feudal Nations: 0.0075 times population
 * Democracies: .05 (until 1870) 1.5% Post 1870 (Peacetime)
 * Dictatorships: .04 (intil 1870) 2.0 % post 1870 (Peacetime)
 * Absolute Feudal Monarchies: .01 times population
 * Absolute Monarchies: .024 times population (cannot be achieved until at least 1620)
 * Nomadic Hordes: 0.01 times population
 * Non-feudal Nations: 0.015 times population
 * Naval-concentrated, non-feudal nations: 0.01 times population
 * Navy
 * Merchant Republic: 0.0018 times merchant republic's population
 * Naval-concentrated nations: 0.0000936 times population
 * Normal Nations: 0.00003 times population

PRO TIP : You can send your entire military strength abroad in a fight but this will incur penalties such as revolts at home of nobility, Peasants, separatists. It is highly encouraged that unless you are fighting within a good marching distance of your home territory (neighboring nations in the region) the threat of revolt will be a decent possibility.. The more forces you deploy, further away, the more unrest at home you will have unless you have established or left a strong policing unit. (roughly 15-25% of your nation’s armed forces would be expected to be retained within the homeland for an extended campaign abroad and will be used as the general rule of thumb. This is generally only deterrent for smaller revolts like peasants and your own nobility rather than separatists and claimants to your throne is applicable.

Mercenaries
If you want to hire mercenaries to fight in wars, you must follow this formula. As all states hired mercenaries during this period well into the enlightenment age You have have a maximum 20% of your total military strength consisting of mercenaries. (Translation: you can multiply your troops by 1.25, but at a cost detailed below)


 * A mod will run an RNG to determine the behaviour of the mercenaries.
 * 1-3 = extremely professional fight on payment and promises of some sort of civilized loot system
 * 4-7 = Semi Professional, will cause some scale of looting damage to your own territory or whatever territory your own. Loot system is relatively disorganized and semi violent. Their unruly behavior over long period of time may anger your allies.
 * 8-10 = Unprofessional mercenaries. You have hired absolute scum, their looting system consists of burning the city, taking everything and murdering and raping the populous. Holding these troops on home soil can see national property damaged, and likewise for your allies lands. Your forces, and Allied forces will tolerate these men for a minimum of 5 years before the mercenaries are forced to leave the army for a different region.

Location of Battle
To find where land battle takes place, find the closest two major cities that is occupied by both sides. If the attacking player doesn't specify a plan, assume that the two armies will meet at a point between the two major cities.

All of the land categories are rather obvious, if a player has done their research then it should be relatively obvious what to classify everything as. A River of almost any type can be used, a Mountain range must be specifically labeled as a mountain range on historic maps, and if ignored mountain passes or river crossings in a different country could prove as a circumvention to your defense. Standard Protocol for most sieges, for most armies, is to outnumber the defending garrison by 3 to 1. As such, battles which assault cities and other strategic locations will follow this example. In the case of major cities and strategic forts, YOU MUST capture the city of fort to continue on into the country from that avenue. If you embark on a military campaign, a well-fortified position must be taken in a siege with the minimum 3:1 ratio to incur no penalty and can only be circumvented by Great Generals and Great Leaders. Conducting a Siege means that the involved manpower will not be available for other combat operations unless you pull them from duty to another front, or break the siege. If you attempt to bypass a well-fortified position a 20% penalty will be added to your final battle section score due to the exposed rear or flank of your army due to the massive strategic disadvantage left by a large enemy garrison based around a well-fortified position and capable of Harassing the attacking army. This is specifically true due to the increased viability of asymetric warfare which would impart casualties, attrition and a loss of morale.
 * Attacking-(Land Battle)
 * Near a major religious site: -5
 * Near the center of government/state: -4.5
 * Near a city: -3.5
 * Near a major river or the coast with naval superiority: -3
 * Near a populated border: +2
 * Near a major river or the coast: +1
 * Near a desolate location far away from anyone: 0
 * Decisive Battle: 0
 * Attacking-(Land Battle in Hostile Mountains)
 * Near Capital: -10 (note very few nations capitals are in the mountains.)
 * Near/at City: -8
 * Near Major Fortress: -6
 * Near Religious site: -4
 * Normal attacking: -3
 * Decisive Battle: 0
 * Attacking-(Assault on a City/Fort)
 * Besieging a center of government/very well-fortified city: -8
 * Besieging a Strategic Fortress: -6
 * Besieging a major religious site: -5
 * Besieging a major city: -4
 * Far from centralized location: 0
 * Attacking-Sea
 * Near/at Capital : -10
 * Near Major Fortress: -7
 * Near a major religious site: -5
 * Near the center of government: -4.5
 * Near a city: -3.5
 * Far from any coast: 0
 * Defending-(Land Battle)
 * Near a major religious site: +7
 * Near the center of government/state: +6
 * Near major friendly fortress : +5.5
 * Near a city: +4
 * Near a major river or the coast with naval superiority: +3.5
 * Near a populated border: +2
 * Near a major river or the coast: +1
 * Near a desolate location far away from anyone: 0
 * Defending-(Land Battle in Friendly Mountains)
 * Near/At Capital (if applicable): +16
 * Near Major Fortress/Majorly fortified city: +13
 * Near/At City: +10
 * Near Major River: +9
 * Coastal mountains: +9
 * Mountains: +7
 * Defending-(Assault on a City/Fort)
 * Besieged center of government/very well-fortified city: +12
 * Defending major Fortress: +9
 * Besieged a major religious site: +7
 * Besieged a major city: +4
 * Defending-Sea
 * Defending near landing site : +10
 * Near a major religious site: +5
 * Near the center of government: +4.5
 * Near a city: +3.5
 * Near the coast or in a major river: +1
 * Far from any coast: 0
 * Defending-(Battle on a Major River)
 * Near Capital (if applicable) +10
 * Near Major Fortress: +8
 * Defended River crossing: +7 (army must have at least 1 turn to establish necessary fortifications)
 * Contested River Crossing: +5 (army will meet the enemy at the crossing but has no built up defenses)
 * Penalties for Breaking Protocol
 * If you have 3 to 1 odds during a siege you will incur no penalties
 * If you have 2 to 1 odds, you will incur an extra 10% casualties and a 15% detriment to your score
 * If you have 1 to 1 odds or less, you will incur an extra 20% casualties and 25% detriment to your score.

There is also an annual Marching Limit for your forces, meaning that the location of a Battle must be within the marching limit of friendly-controled territory
 * Marching Limit Modifiers
 * Base Value: IDK, like 1500 km?
 * Insert other modifiers here

Great Generals/Leaders
Great Leaders may maintain control/good use over all elements of a nations military this means planning for all fronts

Great Generals are only able to lead within one army/front


 * Great General or Admiral
 * Great Leader - +45 (this would be considered a great king such as genghis etc etc, Event decided extremely rare)
 * General - +25 (Delegated via Event, can reach Great Leader status if they are able to take the throne. Much more common, usually requires distinguished service in a large good war.)
 * Admiral - +20 (Delegated via Event)

Attrition (Attacking)

 * Winter: (determined by RNG by uninvolved mod and if not applicable mod supervised uninvolved player)
 * Heavy Winter: 85% 1-2
 * Moderate Winter: 25% 3-6
 * Light Winter: 10% 7-8
 * Low Impact Winter: .5% 9-10
 * Mountains
 * Contested Mountains: 50% (this means plain and simple doing a mountain crossing, no historically traveled pathways etc etc)
 * Contested Mountain Pass 15%:
 * Contested River crossing: 5%

Blunder
RNG done by Unbiased, Uninvolved Mod

-0 to -5

Strategic Defenses
All nations will gain a maximum amount of 4 Strategic defensive areas (hinging on their population) and are used specifically to guard strategic choke points such as mountain passes, gaps in terrain, or important territories in the nation. For every 3 million people you will gain a strategic defense point/fort which will give a major boost to the defensiveness to a region and can effectively deter an enemy from a major offensive. They take roughly a decade to construct and prepare, and are a significant investment by the country. Their placement is roughly the same as a heavily fortified city, and in order to place these (and determine their coverage or even necessity as you can be denied if you lack the necessity) you must give a legitimate area for this fort, and give a predicted region of coverage. If they do not match up you will be denied. This will be handled by the resident algorithm moderator.

Casualties

 * Batte Tier 0: Both forces take 5% casualties, armies are still engaged and nobody has won a convincing victory yet.
 * Battle Tier 1: 15% of the losing force is lost. This requires both nations being within at least 25,000 troops of each other in the battlefield. In a Siege battle 10% of the losing forces will be killed wiped unless on the 2nd algo or a resounding defeat.
 * Victors: will incur 10% casualties in this Tier. In a Siege battle the Attacker will incur 13% casualties
 * Battle Tier 2: 30% of the losing force will be wiped out or captured. In a Siege 25% of the defeated force will be destroyed. (not applicable in a second algo defeat or in this case a siege which equates to the necessary amount to take a strategic fort or city)
 * Victors: Will incur 6% casualties. In a Siege they will incur 15% casualties.
 * Battle Tier 3: 75% of the losing force is wiped out or captured. In a Siege the entire force is wiped out or captured
 * Victors: Will incur 2% casualties. In a Siege 5% of the attacking force suffers casualties
 * Battle Tier 4: Losing force ceases to exist. In a Siege the the Losing force also ceases to exist
 * Victor: Attacking force takes minimal casualties. Siege, Attacking force takes .5% of casualties

Attacker
If an enemy is not within the 25,000 mark on troop comparison then all these values will be halved for the attacker. If the enemy has 50,000 less than you then they are halved once again. (this applies to the attacker.) This applies in every order of magnitude (and will be subject to change when populations have expanded enough to warrant the changing of the numerical amounts)

Defender
If an enemy attacking you is not within the 25,000 mark all values will be halved for the Defender. At another order of 25,000 the values will be halved again. (this is subject to change following the increase in population which will change the numerical values)

Victory or Defeat
To achieve a victory or be subject to a defeat, a few things must happen. You must have seized or won decisive battles or sieges in the territory in question. No longer will 200% clear an enemy from the battle all together.

To win victories the enemy must be defeated in the field or beaten while sieging. Just showing up with an army will not guarantee you victory.


 * Battle Tier 1 - 200-300% - Winner has won a battle with the enemy convincingly but not decisively (normal battles). Enemy can regroup and retreat in good order. In the case of Sieges a second algo is required as 500% will be minimum for sieges of fortified cities and major forts.
 * Battle Tier 2 - 300-500% - Winner has won a decisive battle and the enemy retreats in good order but with a decent amount of casualties.
 * Battle Tier 3 - 500-900% - Winner has won a crushing decisive victory enemy forces have suffered at least 40-50% casualties and are retreating out of the region. If caught in a city when this happens the garrison is entirely wiped out or taken prisoner.
 * Ultimate Tier - 900%+ - Winner has shattered the enemy into a full scale retreat from this region and any adjoining ones. The army will attempt to retreat to the nearest fortified city to regroup 55-60% casualties are expected. In the case of a siege the entire force is wiped out with a significant surrender as well. -5 for the next algo for the loser in this situation due to the morale of such a significant loss. That -5 morale de-buff will last 1 year.

Economic Tiers

 * Tier 1 +3
 * Everyone not listed in the other tiers
 * Tier 2 +5
 * Chimu
 * Croatia
 * All other Player HRE states
 * Tondo
 * Majapahit
 * Tier 3 +10
 * Ottomans
 * Hungary
 * Bengal
 * Poland
 * Russia
 * Brandenburg
 * Austria
 * Norway
 * Papal States
 * Khmer
 * Swahili
 * Oman
 * Tier 4 +15
 * Persia
 * Korea
 * Japan
 * Milan
 * Delhi
 * Sicily
 * Denmark
 * Sweden
 * Portugal
 * Bahmanid
 * England
 * Tier 5 (best) +25
 * China
 * Iberia
 * France
 * Burgundy
 * Bulgaria
 * Caliphate

Tech Tiers

 * Tier 1 +3
 * (this is for tribes and non metalworking societies)
 * Tier 2 +5
 * Chimu
 * Mexica triple alliance
 * All Higher Native Civilizations, baring the Chimu, haven’t worked too much on metallurgy so I’m not sure if they would make the cut.
 * Tier 3 +10
 * Hungary
 * Bahamanid
 * Denmark
 * Sweden
 * Norway
 * Croatia
 * Ottomans
 * Swahili
 * Tier 4 +15
 * Korea
 * Austria
 * Poland
 * Milan
 * Two Sicilies
 * Gurkani
 * The Caliphate
 * Portugal
 * Poland
 * England
 * Delhi Raj
 * Russia
 * Venice
 * Tier 5 (best) +25
 * China
 * Burgundy
 * France
 * Iberia
 * Bulgaria
 * England
 * Prussia

Discussion
=General Discussion=

Leaves of Absence
I will not be online because of internet problems as I am attending a wedding. I will be back online by 4 February. --Dev271 (talk) 16:55, January 28, 2017 (UTC)

Quitting/Resigning as Mapmaker
Due to the fact that the moderator team is at best inconsistant, and the fact that as of late they have started using there mod events to alter the actual internal affairs more than they should have, I resign as China and herby give up my mapmaking duties.

Also due to the fact this was the only part of wiki I was active on, I also feel it is prudent to leave the wiki once and for all.

-Nova 19:21, December 22, 2016 (UTC)

Nova: *is barred from colonizing a bunch of useless islands* *quits*

I am that guy (talk) 19:38, December 22, 2016 (UTC)
 * IATG, please refrain from being rude. Thank you. 23:02, December 22, 2016 (UTC)

Now that the mapmaker left, who will make the new maps?

MagnusWiki (talk) 17:34, December 23, 2016 (UTC)

It was handled very poorly in my opinion. General534 (talk) 03:46, December 25, 2016 (UTC)

Point still stands, we need a new mapmaker. It's been 10 turns since we've had a recent map. Cour *talk* 19:44, January 4, 2017 (UTC)

Ambiguity of the Rules
Hello,

Since the War of Austrian Succession, Feud and I have noticed a lot of things have been understood by feud when he made the original algorithm which, by one way or another, didn't make it into the final version on the Rules and Algo page. I have mentioned a few under the Polish War discussion section; however, both he and I have noticed many others since that proves the rules page is not the way Feud originally intended.

One obvious solution would be for Feud to go through and re-write the whole rules page to match his original intention. However, until that is complete (as it could take a long time), I suggest that we stick to the way the rules are laid out on the page now, considering that's the way the rules are currently set up to do. Why do I suggest this? Well, as long as the algo is only fully understood by one person (Feudalplague), then we essentially are playing with blank dice: only one person knows how who wins or loses. It's only a temporary solution, of course, unitl the algo and rules page is sufficently revised.

I have suggested this to the other mods in chat already, and both Scraw and Edge have concurred with my temporary solution Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess  04:25, January 24, 2017 (UTC)

Hospitaller ninja assassin inquisitors
Due to the rise of the nobility in our colonies, it seems sensible to set up an organisation to deal with corruption. I am planning on an organisation which is like an anti corruption independent commission, but with a license to kill. They shall consist of a fanatical group of elite warriors. Eventually I am planning on this becoming a spy or warrior society. Which parts seem sensible? RedDragon2000 (talk) 08:56, February 10, 2017 (UTC)

Establishing a local Inquisition under the authority of your local clergy or highest-ranked Knight is sensible. Callumthered (talk) 22:43, February 12, 2017 (UTC)

Going Away For The Weekend
I will not be around for the weekend so who ever can do my posts for Siam I will be happy. - Scarlet Outlaw

The Indian Ocean slave trade
Can we talk about how the Rashidun Caliphate (major participant in the Arab slave trade), the Deccan Sultanate (major participant in the Arab slave trade), and the Swahili Coast (literally the last place on Earth to abolish slavery) are all outlawing slavery in the year 1630? I don't see a plausible reason why this would happen, nor a way for it to be enforced without rustling a lot of jimmies.

As Oman, I find it worrying that the greatest supplier of slaves in the region, Swahili (and also the one to gain the most profit from the slave trade) is outlawing slavery before me, seemingly on a whim.

General534 (talk) 10:55, March 20, 2017 (UTC)

Event suggestions

 * With the defeat of Mali in the war against Benin, several vassals and neighbors seize the opportunity and invade, including the Fula nomads of the north, the former Malian province of Kaabu, the former Malian vassal state of Masina, and the Mossi kingdoms north of the Volta. The largest of these, Great Fulo, begins to eclipse Mali as the regional hegemon.




 * Border friction grows along the Russo-Mongol border as Russian colonists encroach on Buryati and Mongol territory near Lake Baikal. Fed up with Russia's expansionism and anti-Turco-Mongol stance, Mongol tribesmen attack the settlement of Irkutsk, driving settlers from the area. The Great Khan calls for an end to Russian expeditions into Mongolia and proclaims he will extend protection to all neighboring khanates and tribes in Siberia. High profile missionaries are also expelled from the khanate. Skirmishes continue throughout the year.


 * The Sultanate of Gowa (Makassar) conquers the neighboring states of Wajo, Bone and Banggai, uniting all of south-central Sulawesi. In their conquests, they also capture most of the island of Buru, surrounding the Japanese colony on the west end of the island.


 * A new Muslim state forms in northern Sulawesi, centered around the city of Gorontalo.


 * The Lesser Sunda Islands revert to native rule after the Rashidun-aligned emirate is overthrown. A new state, the Sultanate of Sonbai, begins to assert its dominance over West Timor and parts of the declining Wehali kingdom in the center. Several Hindu (Gunturist or otherwise) kingdoms also appear on the island of Bali, firmly rejecting Islam and viewing themselves as the successors to the Majapahit. Due to extreme distances, the exact details of these events are unknown to the Rashidun.

General534 (talk) 21:41, March 26, 2017 (UTC)

Iberia against France
So in 1636 I have someone post an algo claiming in 1634 that Iberia has attacked France. I look back and I do find a turn by Iberia which mentions attacking France but here are my objections.

1. The post was written well after the the previous turn had ended by at least 24 hours. http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Principia_Moderni_IV_(Map_Game)?diff=prev&oldid=1432678 how are we supposed to respond to things if people post them in turns before well after the turn has rolled over. The turn rolls over you more or less need to not post in the old turn especially not 24 hours after and when other parties involved have made their own turns.

2. The player who created the algo used some crap here, no mention of Montpellier was made at all. A different city was mentioned, you can't hold something if you don't take it. Then there is the fact that the player who made the algo presumes it his right to just control France's forces and have them attack the Iberian forces without consulting and just assuming it because it benefits the algo.

3. Edge isn't playing as Iberia. He played briefly for a few turns a number of decades ago. This is the first post he has made in a long time and it is a copy and paste turn which is out of date except for a single sentence in which he attacks France even though they are allies. You can't just have a player drop in for one turn launch some invasion then not post again. I understand people have commitments to IRL and I get that but that means you need to make sacrifices in PMIV. You can't just drop in declare war because someone ask you to and then not do anything else.

Person67 (talk) 23:08, March 27, 2017 (UTC)

In case it's not clear, I'm the player Person is referring to (one might say, "I am that guy"). This is my response. 1. I'm not going to defend, and as such I didn't assume the offensive took place in 1634, nor did I say that it did. Maybe Edge misplaced the turn, maybe he thought he was putting it in 1635, idk.

2. Because of Edges lack of specifics in his turn, I had discussed the algo with him, in which I mentioned how it was unfolding and where it was taking place. I mentioned Montpellier by name. As well, it was a turn for France that you posted, Person, after I invoked my alliance with Iberia, where 140,000 troops were stationed in Montlucon to counter a possible Iberian incursion. Am I wrong in assuming that French Army would do the very job it was assigned to carry out?

3. Are you saying Edge shouldn't be allowed to post as the nation he's signed up for?

I am that guy (talk) 00:13, March 28, 2017 (UTC)

To clarify, the turn was misplaced. and I also had an alliance with Burgundy. #BRINGBACK THESQUIRREL 00:45, March 28, 2017 (UTC)

I posted Oct's turn for him because he was unable to post the turn but it was Oct's turn. You can't have an algo which is different to what the turn says nothing said in chat is official, yes you are wrong in assuming they would do that because Oct knows how the algo would go and so wouldn't do what you want them to do. They were to counter an Iberian inavsion however they chose to. Iberia is also allied to France yes I am saying Edge shouldn't be allowed to make one post which is all copy and pasted except for declaring war on France.which was done in one sentence. He isn't really playing as Iberia. Person67 (talk) 06:47, March 28, 2017 (UTC)

Im inclined to agree. If your going to play as Iberia, commit, not this halfass you have been doing. Anything before 1637 cant be counted due to Edges seeming inability to find the time to actually detail an invasion or anything of the sort. Its absolute horse shit that you can copy paste a whole post and then declare war in a sentence with no other details. Even if the declaration of war is legitimate, you need the details in your turn to consider any algo you do legitimate. We just went through this with Dev and he did some of the same thing.

If you are going to press the issue of detail, lets compare declarations of wars. From England: Lets take this back to grade school and analyse this passage for a second. All this post really says is that war is declared and cities are reinforced. If you are going to press the Issue of detail, than England's declaration of war is also null and void because they also provide the same amount of details that I do in my initial deceleration of war. So if you are going to demand that my deceleration is discounted, the same must be done of Englands. All of the detail of their war plan comes from the French deceleration, but even then the details are scarce. All this turn says is the amount of troops being sent to invade, that war is declared, and the marching path of the troops. It then specifies which city is attacked depending on what circumstances. While this is more detail than my post yes, its not a significant amount of extra detail that the point is lost on what is happening. If anything, there is no extra detail. Lets take a hypothetical and say Oct didn't order that they pick the city based on where the defenders are and he just deceived to attack Abbeville regardless of defender amount. Literally the only extra details is that Oct leaves his war plan open to attacking a different city. To compare: Lets break this down piece by piece to show you how similar they are. First the Deceleration. Top will be mine, bottom will be Oct's: Now the troop count: Now the marching path: So when you remove the conditional in his war plan, there is clearly no extra detail in either Oct's or Persons deceleration. Lets take it a step further and look at Person's declaration, because there is no details of what he is doing in the war. All his deceleration says is that he is defending. So if there needs to be details in my turn to consider the algo legitimate, than the first turn of this war is completely illegitimate under your own standard. So at that point, none of this war is legitimate because there was no details in the aglo of the first turn. That is of course you rule my turn to be illegitimate on the grounds that it lacks detail, because clearly there it no additional detail in Octs turn over mine, and there is even less detail in Person's turn.
 * Under the presumption France is with us we declare war on Burgundy once our intentions are obvious. We hold 10,000 men at Portsmouth and 15,000 men at London. Meanwhile in Briton Isles we brace ourselves for another war with the Germanic empire and the people are told of the great quest for British survival. The colony in Arcadia is told to brace for war.
 * A french army of 360,000 men supported by an english army of 40,000 men cross into Burgundy. We declare war on Burgundy. This forces advances to the Somme at Hangest Sur- Somme and then chooses to either attack south or north on Ameins or Abbeville depending on where Burgundy stations less troops. If both cities have the same amount we attack Abbeville.
 * A french army of 360,000 men supported by an english army of 40,000 men cross into Burgundy. We declare war on Burgundy. This forces advances to the Somme at Hangest Sur- Somme and attacks Abbeville.
 * War is declared upon France, and an army of 150,000 is ordered across the border from Barcelona to Perpignam, circumventing the Pyreenes.
 * War is declared upon France,...
 * We declare war on Burgundy.
 * and an army of 150,000...
 * A french army of 360,000 men supported by an english army of 40,000 men cross into Burgundy
 * is ordered across the border from Barcelona to Perpignam, circumventing the Pyreenes.
 * This forces advances to the Somme at Hangest Sur- Somme and attacks Abbeville

So if you are going to bitch about how I don't have enough details then I would think you would do your job as an unbiased mod and rule Oct and Person's deceleration as invalid as well. Your inability to find the time to formulate a valid argument that doesn't contradict itself is a far bigger concern than my inability to find the time to write a new turn. At least when Viva gave an argument that bad, he had the sense to make it so long the average person wouldn't read it. You instead just cuss and act angry and throw your mod status around, instead of giving a thought out argument that doesn't contradict everything else about this war. And given our interactions in the past couple weeks, I doubt you have more of an argument to support your point than that, because every time we get into an argument on chat, all you are capable of saying is "Shut the fuck up" in a variety of different ways. Now I'm not saying you are dumb, or that you are a bad person, or that you didn't design a great algo, you just suck as a mod. You're inability to formulate a good argument to support your rulings is the exact reason why people didn't want you as mod during the start of the game. You're either going to shift the goalposts of your argument or you are just going to ignore my argument. Yes, I sound like Viva. No, I do not care. #BRINGBACK THESQUIRREL 17:07, March 28, 2017 (UTC)

Or maybe ill just retcon the whole thing and have it all redone and make all of you explain in further detail what the fuck is going on. The fact of the matter here is now that its at my attention everyone needs to be dealing with more detail. The fact your directly targeting me is proof im right. You are being lazy, and then i get complaints cause you are lazy. Then i find out everyone has been lazy and there is no actual details which means im stuck with two options. Iberia gets to attack, or i retcon the whole war at this point and make you all do it the right way. As it stands id rather just let iberia attack and call it a day cause redoing the whole war is a pain in the ass. But at the slightest hint of a lack of details, i will fuck all of you up. No bias, no sides, just pure unadulterated terror that happens cause you all want to be lazy with posts.

New Map Of Siam
After beating Cambodia in a war this is how the map should look like i outlined the map. - Scar