Holy Roman Empire (Principia Moderni II Map Game)

This page is not only a page of information about the Holy Roman Empire in Principia Moderni II, but it is also a safe haven for members to conduct diplomacy and discuss issues facing the nation. The things discussed here are SECRET  and are not public knowledge.

History
A history of the Holy Roman Empire, 1450 - ?

1450

 * Holy Roman Emperor Frederick III confirmed as the emperor.

1451

 * Frederick III announces his engagement to Helena Palaiologina, niece of Byzantine Emperor Constantine XI Palaiologos.
 * Construction of the Munich Cathedral begins.

1452

 * Marriage of Frederick III Hapsburg and Helena Palaiologina in Vienna.
 * Fall of the Byzantine Empire.
 * Frederick III adopts ceremonial position as the Emperor of Constantinople and the Byzantine Empire. Succesion of Rome dispute hereby ended.
 * Anglo - Holy Roman Treaty signed, creating an alliance with England.
 * Greater French - Holy Roman trade begins.
 * Bishop Gregor Rus of Bavaria becomes Grand Arch Bishop of all Bavarias

1453

 * Birth of Frederick Constantine Hapsburg.
 * Bavarian Unification begins.

Map
This is the map at the start. Please keep this for record keeping. Don't forget to edit the full sized version.



Player Members

 * Austria
 * Bavaria-Munchen
 * Burgundy
 * Brandenburg
 * Milan
 * Switzerland (?)

Non-Player Members

 * German States
 * Altmark
 * Anhalt
 * Ansbach
 * Baden
 * Bar
 * Bavaria-Ingolstadt
 * Bavaria-Landshut
 * Bavaria-Straubing
 * Berg
 * Bohemia
 * Brunswick
 * Breman
 * Brunswick
 * Cleves
 * Cologne
 * Friesland
 * Grisons
 * Hesse
 * Lauenburg
 * Liege
 * Limburg
 * Lorraine
 * Luxembourg
 * Magdeburg
 * Mainz
 * Mecklenburg
 * Metz
 * Munster
 * Nassau
 * Paderborn
 * Palatinate
 * Pomarania
 * Salzburg
 * Saxony
 * Stassburg
 * Sundgau
 * Thuringia
 * Trier
 * Ulm
 * Utrecht
 * Valais
 * Westphalia
 * Woffenbuttel
 * Wurttemburg
 * Italian States
 * d'Asti
 * Ferrara
 * Florence
 * Genoa
 * Lacques
 * Mantua
 * Modena
 * Monaco
 * Montferrat
 * Piombino
 * Saluces
 * Savoy
 * Siena

Lack of a Capital
So I came up with a crazy idea tonight. Since the Holy Roman Empire has no capital (until we reach Rome), why not make one in a centralized location? Who's with me?

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 02:32, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. I propose somwhere in the Rhineland or Alsace-Lorraine.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:38, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

I'm thinking southern Wurttemburg. Nice and central to almost everything. I sort of have a naming scheme picked out.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 02:41, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

OK.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:00, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

I am in agreement with MP at least until we reach Rome, what is the name?These are not the droids you are looking for. 03:17, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

All right, as Pita says, let's blow up that bridge when we get there. In the meantime, let's discuss improving our nations and then start planning our battle plan. I have the first instances of our battle strategy mostly planned out on MP's talk page under the section "Das Plan" so feel free to check it out.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:21, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Posting
As all of us member state players know, the plan is afoot. So let's discuss it here, as our nations. Also, I have my post here, because I shant be up 9:00 EDT. If someone could kindly post for me, it would be highly appreciated. In other news, it says "first post" because I was about to post. Anyways, whomever posts for me, please remove that if someone else already has posted. (Which is very likely.)
 * Brandenburg (woohoo first post XD) decides to support Austria's claim to the throne, since they are German comrades, but is disappointed that its own house is not on the throne. To ensure continued existence of the HRE, all member states are strongly advised not to leave the Empire. Meanwhile diplomats are sent to Austria to discuss a possible centralization or strengthening of the Empire.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:00, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Time to Become Truly "Roman"
Unless anyone objects, I plan to have the current Holy Roman Emperor marry into the line of the Byzantine emperors, so that the HRE will actually be "roman" in some sense. Trust me, this is legit and I have done my research. If it works, then perhaps we can salvage what remains of the Byzantine Empire.

Please keep this family tree here:

Helena Palaiologina, daughter of Theodore II Palaiologos, who was the brother of Constantine XI Palaiologos, the current Byzantine Emperor. She will marry the Holy Roman Emperor, Frederick III the Peaceful.

Does anyone object to the plan?

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 02:45, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Nay!

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:49, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Brandenburg has spoken! And would the leader of Brandenburg offer a reason to this "nay?"

For the record, since Austria gets to conquer so little in the game, I figure that I won't need as much resources towards Germany, other than to help you guys.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 02:52, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

I meant nay as no objection.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:05, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Okay. Accept my apologies, I misunderstood.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 03:07, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Good Idea. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 03:12, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

The upcoming world war
Hey when you guys planning on unifying? Cause us Muslims are planning a large empire as we go all super-expansionist as a supposed Mahdi appears. Perhaps you can use our Caliphate's European invasion as the necessary immediate cause for you guys unifying? Also don't worry it'll collapse after a decade or so, which then you guys will probably be the dominant world power. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 20:10, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Interesting. We will consider it.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 01:23, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Unification Treaty
Okay, so the Byzantine annexation didn't really go my way. No matter. We are still somewhat Roman now.

More importantly, we have this. All player members need to see this. Let me know if you are here.

The treaty will be made when all are present, or tomorrow.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 22:41, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

What about by my requests in regards to all the other Bavarias near me. I am sending propaganda, how long till they agree with me annexing them? Also Hungary needs to be watched, I do not trust themThese are not the droids you are looking for. 23:44, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

I have not forgotten your wishes to become a united Bavaria.

You could probably do that now, but be careful.

Hungary will be watched with caution.

Even if you cannot annex all of Bavaria straight away, it is one of the provisions of the treaty, so we will support you.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 23:48, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

MAJOR CRISIS
Okay we have a problem. Venice and the Papal states are going to attack Genoa, our main financial supplier. So here is what we are going to do.
 * 1) Brandenburg holds off the war against the Teutonic Knights.
 * 2) Financial and military aid will be sent to the states in disarray (Saxony and Bohemia) if they also help in the war.
 * 3) We will divide the land after the war accordingly.
 * 4) If we work together, we should get Milan, Austria, Bavaria, Brandenburg, Saxony, Bohemia, maybe Burgundy, Genoa, maybe Switzerland, and the other Italian states, along with England, so we should be fine. If we work together.
 * 5) Who's in? Sign below.
 * Monster Pumpkin (talk), Austria
 * These are not the droids you are looking for. 01:31, September 8, 2012 (UTC) Bavaria
 * Callumthered (talk) 01:35, September 8, 2012 (UTC) Saxony. (I will give whatever help I can, just not too sure how much that will be.)
 * [[Image:IMPERIAL NY-SPQR 1.png|25px]][[Image:Regen Flag.png|30px|border]] Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:37, September 8, 2012 (UTC) Branddenburg
 * Also, how do we (religiously) justify going to war with the Pope? Callumthered (talk)
 * We shall have to accuse him of betraying the beliefs of the Catholic Church. [[Image:IMPERIAL NY-SPQR 1.png|25px]][[Image:Regen Flag.png|30px|border]] Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:37, September 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Also the Teutonic War is over, but I need someone do me an algorithm. I don't fully understand the new one yet. [[Image:IMPERIAL NY-SPQR 1.png|25px]][[Image:Regen Flag.png|30px|border]] Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:39, September 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Or we could wait for them to attack first. The Teutonic war is over? Monster Pumpkin (talk) 01:40, September 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 01:42, September 8, 2012 (UTC) Milan.
 * The Swiss Confederacy will provide military support, we are close to Venice and could participate in a invasion of mainland Venice, and for justification, we will claim that the papal states have become corrupted, focusing on politics far more than religion, and we have the right to ownership of Rome, however they(papal states) can stay in OTL vatican city and maintain a defense force not to exceed 1,000 troops. I Am Walrus (talk) 01:44, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Discussion
MP next year I plan on forcefully reunifying all of the remaining Bavarias, can you bring the might of Austria to bear?These are not the droids you are looking for. 01:27, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

If you help in Italy and the disorderly states, then I will. Monster Pumpkin (talk) 01:30, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

I have already been sending aid since they asked(Saxony and Bohemia)

Diplomacy
Any other nation may use this area for Diplomacy.

Allies

 * England

Trading Partners

 * France
 * Venice (de facto)