Talk:A Violent Peace

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Can, the Tsar would not do that. Would do none of it, as a matter of fact.

Have his "adjusting" of the Duma actually be reasonable. That's about all you can hope for, and it would ensure he has a better image in the empire. Should avert the Revolution, by and large - though I'd expect something still happens that makes him only a constitutional monarch.

Lordganon (talk) 06:13, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

This is kinda ASB.

The Royal Guns (talk) 09:27, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

"The October Manifesto addressed the unrest throughout the Russian Empire and pledged to grant basic civil liberties, including personal immunity; and freedom of assembly, association, press, religion, and speech. Other provisions include the allowance of a broad participation in the Duma (parliament), the introduction of universal male suffrage, as well as a decree that no law should come into force without the consent of the Duma."

Canuck2012 (talk) 22:47, July 31, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

...And the death of his uncle would do nothing to change his otl actions like this. Nor would anything cause him to do this.

As stated - the most you could do would be to have his adjusting of the Duma not go so far.

Lordganon (talk) 05:35, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid, Can, that only one thing could cause this.

Alien Space Bats coming down and reforming old Nicky's mind.

The Royal Guns (talk) 15:10, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, maybe not the thing about the Uncle and Nicholas, but you said that if he kept the reforms in place, the Empire would have survived! I'm seriously confused here!

Canuck2012 (talk) 21:08, August 1, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

And you'll note I never said anything beyond that - i.e. how much of it would actually be possible to keep.

What it amounts to would be leaving the Duma with more lower-class seats being the only thing possible.

Lordganon (talk) 07:11, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Can you clarify what you mean by the Duma lower-seat thing? I don't understand what you mean.

So would the reforms be feasible after Nicholas's death?

And what would be a good estimate for his dying time?

Canuck2012 (talk) 17:36, August 2, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

Simply put, not arresting legislators during the 1907 "Coup" and not giving as high of a percentage of seats in the Duma to the "wealthier landlords." Otl, this was 60%. A reduction there would go a long ways to making the people feel "included," though it'd still be a large faction.

Reforms would not be very feasible after his death. He was raising his son to rule, after all. Might be some slight reforms, but nothing big.

Of course, I'd guess that reforms get forced on him in 1917, anyways.

Age at death, late 60s, at earliest.

Lordganon (talk) 04:45, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, how about instead of exiling Lenin, they execute him? No lenin, no revolution. Probably still revolts, but becomes a westernist democracy.

Still don't see how this makes ANYTHING more peaceful, lol.

The Royal Guns (talk) 15:41, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Because of the butterflies of having a continuing Russian Empire. Without the USSR, communism fails to spread succesfully. National socialism and fascism drew on anti-communist sentiment (aswell as racism) to gain power. Because they don't come to power, no WWII. No WWII means a more peaceful world. More peaceful and stable than OTL, but as the name implies, it's a violent peace.

Canuck2012 (talk) 03:06, August 6, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

Oh, and just wondering, why is this classified as ASB-Biased? I removed the stuff about Nicholas and Sergei at least three-five days ago.

Canuck2012 (talk) 03:08, August 6, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

You removed the names, but not the problem. Lordganon (talk) 08:42, August 6, 2012 (UTC)