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This article is the sandbox subpage for NuclearVacuum. All sections here are only for temporary experiments and or ideas. Some information may be speculative, but under reasonable tensions. All information on here will be removed at one time or another, but not all sections here are permanent (only a few I intend to keep longer than others).


 * User:Mister Sheen/Temp

Featured timelines

 * Great White South:
 * September 2010
 * April 2013


 * New Union:
 * July 2011
 * March 2012

Saved images
Here are images I found here, and may find use for (rather than uploading new ones).

Saved links and ideas

 * Primary


 * Parliamentary Seating Chart by Hellerick
 * Russian heraldic (5) (detailed)


 * La Nueva Unión (Spanish New Union)


 * 13 Fallen Stars




 * Independent Patagonia
 * British? (more interesting IMHO)
 * States for
 * was intended to be a new Viceroyalty, but wasn't populous enough. Over time... California? Flag?
 * (colors)
 * Term lengths by state
 * 
 * New England (Disunited)
 * (Pennsylvanian state of "Dutchland"?)
 * Louisiana claims parts of Texas after independence?
 * Term lengths by state
 * 
 * New England (Disunited)
 * (Pennsylvanian state of "Dutchland"?)
 * Louisiana claims parts of Texas after independence?
 * Louisiana claims parts of Texas after independence?


 * New Union


 * as a of


 * Soviet Union Pavilion at Epcot
 * Kaliningrad Disney
 * (Democratic socialist Cuban)
 * (Spanish version says this guy is president??)
 * Red Belt (Русский)
 * Micronesia could be the 51st State (potential expansion)
 * Cuban election ideas
 * Cuban election ideas


 * Russian America


 * Timezones North America
 * Alaska once had four time zones
 * The Yukon Territory was Alaska Time
 * AHC Willardo Romney sworn in as Mexico's president (interesting idea)


 * Others


 * Antioquia (Triunfa, España!)
 * Antioquia Federal (1983: Doomsday)

Hooray for storytelling
Greetings to you all. Who am I, you may ask? I am just an observer of time and space. Your people have called me by many names. Zeus, God, the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Whatever you want to call me, my purpose here today is to tell you the amazing story that would eventually change your people into an interplanetary species.

Our story begins billions of years ago, but I remember it as if it were yesterday.

New timeline

 * 1962 -  Venus flyby.


 * 1966 - Venera 3 Venus crash-landing (remnants now believed to be somewhere in western Aphrodite).


 * 1967 - Venera 4 Venus landing (now believed to have crashed landed in the Guinevere Sea).


 * 1969 -  manned Moon landing.


 * 1975 - Apollo 18 manned Venus flyby.


 * 1984 - "Vega" manned Venus landing.


 * 1989 - "Mayflower" manned Venus landing.

?????????

 * Neith (neeth)

Population of New Kamchatka

 * Recent census


 * Gagaringrad (~392,758)
 * Vladivenera (~275,921)
 * New Havana (~146,807)
 * Uragansk (~87,614)
 * Korolyovsk (~52,873)
 * Total (975,826)

New nations for Venus
All states marked in bold lettering are independent nations. Nations in parentheses describe the primary government of the state. Entities in italic denote a collectivity/commonwealth. States in quotation marks describe doubt and/or uncertainty towards the name or the state itself.


 * American Venus


 * VHBuffaloflag.png (Canada)
 * Flag of the Federated States (Venusian Haven).svg 
 * Flag.svg Fortune Bay
 * Flag of New Florida (Venusian Haven).svg 
 * Flag.svg "Scientology State" [soon to be obsolete]
 * Flag.svg "Tethus"


 * Arab (Iraqi-Arabian) Venus


 * Flag of Helal (Venusian Haven).svg "" (Al-Helal)
 * Flag.svg "New Kurdistan"
 * Flag.svg "New Palestine"


 * British Venus


 * Flag.svg "Betashire"
 * Flag.svg "Metisire"
 * Flag of Scotland.svg ""


 * Chinese Venus


 * Flag of Leda (Venusian Haven).svg
 * Flag.svg "New Pyongyang" (North Korea) [maybe]
 * Flag.svg "New Tibet"


 * French (Franco-European) Venus


 * Flag of New Quebec (Venusian Haven).svg
 * Flag.svg Themis
 * Flag.svg Cassini


 * Japanese Venus


 * Japanese Venus flag by Hellerick 3.svg 


 * Soviet Venus


 * Flag of New Kamchatka (Venusian Haven).svg 
 * Flag.svg 
 * Flag.svg Devana
 * Flag.svg "Imdr"
 * Flag.svg New Caucasia
 * Flag.svg New Crimea
 * Flag.svg "New India" (India)
 * Flag.svg New Prussia (Germany[s])
 * Flag of New Saigon (Venusian Haven).svg (Vietnam)
 * Flag.svg New Turkmenistan
 * Flag.svg "New Warsaw" (Czechoslovakia and Poland)
 * Flag.svg Rusalka
 * Flag.svg Sapas

New ideas

 * The Raskat rocket (OTL ) would have been designed to take into account a potential Venus mission. With this extra initiative, more funding and men would help assure the mission to become a success.


 * Lunokhod 1 (OTL ) would successfully reach the Moon in early 1969. Despite the Soviets being able to claim the first "tracks" on the Moon, it would be nothing compared to the "footsteps" made by American astronauts later in 1969. But due in great part to the success of the Lunokhod program, it would not ruin the Soviet moonshot to take place in the early '70s.


 * The Gerkules-Raskat program (OTL N1-L3) would lead to five successful Soviet moon missions between 1971 and 1975. would become the first Soviet to land on the Moon.


 * Despite a successful Soviet moonshot, the Apollo program would not send any more missions to the Moon beyond Apollo 17. Instead, the program would gradually be modified to become a Venus program. Apollo 18 would become the first successful in 1974 (rather than OTL's ). The USSR may (or may not) also do their  mission around the same time.


 * The "Vega" program (potential name; based on OTL [because it would have happened around the same time and I love the name "Vega"]) would become the Soviet manned landing of Venus. Taking place in 1985, the USSR would win the "Second Space Race." The program would send two missions between 1984 and 1986. The mission would be a modified TMK-E mission.
 * Since Venus' atmosphere is as thick as Earth's (either OTL or ATL), the USSR decides to quicken their mission by not designing a return mission. So in short, the Vega missions were a one-way mission. (I will work on this to see if this is a suitable thing to do on either side).


 * An American mission to Venus would take place by the late '80s. Other nations would include a joint ESA mission in the late '90s, and a Japanese, Chinese, and potential Arab mission by today.
 * I consider Saddam Hussein to be crafty enough to consider an Iraqi mission to Venus. His space program was expanding. Had it not been for the invasion of Kuwait, we may have seen an Iraqi astronaut by OTL. With Venus being promising, he may seek cooperation (rather than intimidation) in the Arab world. The oil-rich nations may show interest in a joint-Arab mission, leading to a Pab-Arabian Space Agency, and a strong Arab League/Union.


 * Participating nations/organization


 * USSR and USA &mdash; Self-explanatory. Moving on.


 * France and ESA &mdash; Prior to the PRC, was on the verge of a manned-spaceflight mission. With Venus as a destination, the French-dominated ESA would definitely become a Venusian power. Also a note, Canada cooperated as part of ESA's  (plus ), Canada is squished between ESA and NASA.


 * Great Britain &mdash; I initially opposed the UK becoming a Venusian power. I support European integration, which would have had the UK as part of ESA. However, after getting inspired by someone who has a strong passion for the British space program, as well as doing some history on the matter, I now can see the UK working towards a successful space program. Plus, since originally creating this timeline, I have become a Whovian who supports the "New British Empire." However, my only concern would be the UK's position between the US, USSR, and ESA.


 * China and Japan &mdash; pretty much also self-explanatory.


 * Iraq and the "Arab Union" &mdash; While nowhere near the US or USSR, Iraq's space program would be an interesting place to look. With Venus such a juicy target, Saddam may see Venus as a better way to solidify his power than his invasion of Kuwait. I am confident that many nations would automatically support him (such as Libya and Syria), while others (like Saudi Arabia and Kuwait) would grow more interested in the space race. With Saudi wealth backing an Iraqi-backed space program, Hussein may actually achieve the fame and position as an Arab unifier. A Pan-Arab Space Agency (PASA) would be inevitable, while the ideas of a stronger "Arab Union" could come out of the mix. The Arab Spring will have to be looked into.


 * Mission dates?


 * USSR &mdash; 1984 (Gagaringrad)
 * USA &mdash; 1990 (Kennedy City)
 * ESA &mdash; ~1990s
 * UK &mdash; ~1990s
 * Japan &mdash; ~2000s
 * China &mdash; ~2000s
 * Iraq &mdash; ~2000s
 * India &mdash; ~2010s
 * Iran &mdash; ~2010s


 * Colonial comparison


 * to Commonwealth of Virginia (169 years)
 * to State of New York (150 years)
 * to Canada (104 years)
 * New South Wales to Australia (113 years)
 * Salt Lake City to Utah (49 years)
 * Gagaringrad to New Kamchatka (17 years?)

While the regions may look big, most of the area is claimed land.

Koshmar

 * Main article:, 


 * System: Solaria (Solar System)
 * Biosphere: Venusiana (Venus)
 * Kingdom: Tereshkovia (Animal-like)
 * Phylum: c/s
 * Class: Pseudokoris (False bug)
 * Order: c/s
 * Family: c/s
 * Genus: c/s
 * Species: incubus

Note to self

 * Ishtar is in Venus' north pole. Venus rotates backwards due to being flipped upside-down. However, Ishtar is still located on the top of Venus maps. Is Ishtar actually in Venus' south pole? Either way, ASB will solve the problem. XP


 * If Venus has a moon that is about the same size and distance as ours, it would be very likely that Neith would have been discovered much earlier in history. In comparison, a viewer on Mars would see the Earth as a "double star," with the Moon being visible. How would this affect humanity?


 * Potential Neith solution: Early studies placed Neith at about 402458 km from Venus, with an orbit of 11 days. According to Kepler's laws of planetary motion, this can't be (an orbit that far would've had a longer orbit period). A potential solution, make them intersect half-way. An orbit almost 300,00 km, with a period of 18 days. This would also make a larger moon in the Venusian sky. Something to make a trip to Venus even more special.

Governmental hierarchy

 * Collectivity &mdash; a type of pseudo-government which unites several colonies, but holds little to no solidarity other than allowing a solid voice back to Earth. Many describe them as how the were not united, but close in relations. The term commonwealth is also used to describe this type of unity on Venus.

Capitals of the SSRs

 * Grozny?


 * : Соьлжа-ГӀала (Sölƶa-Ġala; "City on the ")


 * Солжа-Гала
 * Солжакала/Solzhakala (based on Akhmadkala [Akhmad-Ghala])

GOASIE

 * See also: 

(Gulf of Aden: Soviet, Indian, Eritrean/Ethiopian) is a naval exercise held between the Soviet Union, India, and Eritrea. Other clear members would be South Yemen and maybe Ethiopia (which still operates a flotilla of ships around ).


 * Reasons


 * Soviet-Indian cooperation
 * Securing the continuation of Eritrea's navy.
 * Joint cooperation between Ethiopia and Eritrea. Cooperation from "Ethiopian Flotilla."


 * Notes


 * South Yemen wanted to participate in the first exercise, but opted not to in fear of provoking North Yemen. The DRY would participate in future exercises.

New POD for New Union

 * Main article: New Union

Considering that I know very little about the four men in the initial coup plot, it seems too "hopeful" for me to say that they getting drunk is a solution. I eventually chose this POD because I found it ironic that alcoholism (a major problem in the USSR that Gorbachev was trying to tackle) would lead to the downfall of this coup. Because of this gaping hole, I have decided to go back to my initial idea. Please note that I have been considering whether or not to change the POD for months now.

My initial idea was the notorious accident record of the (which were flying the men to the Crimea). The idea is simple, the plane crashes. No coup, very simple. Kinda... too simple. This is why I thought it sounded stupid before. I forgot all about it until I came across a timeline which is strikingly similar to my own. This made me realise that if someone else thought about it, than why not go back to it. Also (to make me feel better about it), I thought about this idea in 2010 (a year before this timeline came out).

More to come later

Эфиопия в «Новый Союз»

 * Main articles:  and 



SNNPR
According to Wikipedia, the (SNNPR) "was formed from the merger of the former Regions 7-11" (i.e., Regions 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11). I just came across this map which seems to show four of the five regions.


 * Kaffa
 * Omo
 * Sidama
 * Welayta

It is likely that the position of the word "southern" is blocking the border between Welayta and this last region (which I believe was called either the "Gurage Region" or the "Hadiya Region.")

List

 * 1) Aari (&gt;570,000)
 * 2) Adal (1,411,092)
 * 3) Amhara (18,185,502)
 * 4) Anuak (&gt;200,000)
 * 5) Benishangul (&gt;300,000)
 * 6) Gumuz (&gt;225,000)
 * 7) Gurage (&gt;1,000,000)
 * 8) Hadiya (&gt;1,000,000)
 * 9) Kaffa (&gt;1,000,000)
 * 10) Konso (&gt;400,000)
 * 11) Nuer (&gt;100,000)
 * 12) Ogaden (5,148,989)
 * 13) Oromia (27,158,471)
 * 14) Sidama (&gt;3,000,000)
 * 15) Surma (&gt;400,000)
 * 16) Tigray (4,334,996)
 * 17) Welayta (&gt;3,000,000)

McIntosh

 * The was established in 1995 (well after the original regions). Since it is lowly populated for a sovereign state, and is populated by Oromos, it will not become a republic of ATL Ethiopia, but (at the most) would be a special region within Oromia.


 * All original 12 regions will become republics. Gurage/Hadiya would be the exception. Being a region divided between two distinct ethnic groups (each highly large in numbers), this region will be divided into two republics.

New Republics of Ethiopia

 * Charter cities


 * (capital)
 * (ethnically divided)

Nations 13 Fallen Stars

 * Main articles: 

Africa

 * Flag of New Netherland (13 Fallen Stars).svg &mdash; Union of New Netherland
 * Flag of Biafra (13 Fallen Stars).svg 


 * Algeria → FRANCE
 * → PORTUGAL
 * Azores → PORTUGAL
 * British Gold Coast (Ghana) → UC
 * British Somaliland (Somaliland) → UC
 * Canary Islands → SPAIN
 * (hooray for the Dutch) → NETHERLANDS
 * Cape Verde → PORTUGAL
 * Comoros → FRANCE
 * Danish Gold Coast (Ghana?) → UC?
 * Dutch Gold Coast (Ghana?) → UC?
 * French Guinea (Guinea) → FRANCE
 * French Somaliland (Djibouti) → FRANCE
 * Egypt → UC
 * Ethiopia (with or without Eritrea?) → ??
 * Île Bourbon (Réunion) → FRANCE
 * Ivory Coast → FRANCE
 * Madagascar → FRANCE
 * Madeiras → PORTUGAL
 * Mascarene Islands (Mauritius?) → FRANCE?
 * Mauritania → FRANCE?
 * Morocco → SPAIN/FRANCE
 * → PORTUGAL
 * Natal → UC
 * Portuguese Guinea (Guinea-Bissau) → PORTUGAL
 * São Tomé and Príncipe → PORTUGAL
 * → FRANCE
 * → UC
 * Spanish West Africa (Western Sahara) → SPAIN
 * St Helena Territory → UC
 * Tunisia → FRANCE?

Antarctica

 * Flag of Denmark.svg Danish Antarctic Territory
 * Flag of New Netherland (13 Fallen Stars).svg 
 * Flag of the British Antarctic Territory.svg Patagonian Antarctic Territory

Asia

 * British China?
 * Brunei
 * Bukhara → Russia
 * Burma
 * Ceylon (Sri Lanka)
 * Dutch China?
 * Formosa
 * Hong Kong
 * Korea
 * Kuwait
 * India (British India?)
 * Japan
 * Khiva → Russia
 * Macau
 * Malaya (Western Malaysia)
 * → Russia
 * Philippines → Spanish East Indies
 * Portuguese Timor (East Timor)
 * Siam (Thailand)
 * Spanish East Indies (Guam, etc.)
 * Tibet
 * Trucial States (United Arab Emirates)
 * Philippines → Spanish East Indies
 * Portuguese Timor (East Timor)
 * Siam (Thailand)
 * Spanish East Indies (Guam, etc.)
 * Tibet
 * Trucial States (United Arab Emirates)
 * Tibet
 * Trucial States (United Arab Emirates)

Europe

 * Flag of the Habsburg Monarchy.svg &mdash; Kingdom of Austria
 * Flagge Großherzogtum Baden (1891-1918).svg &mdash; Grand Duchy of Baden
 * Flag of Bavaria (striped).svg &mdash; Kingdom of Bavaria
 * Flag of Bulgaria.svg &mdash; Kingdom of Bulgaria
 * Flag of Croatia.svg &mdash; Kingdom of Croatia
 * Flag of Denmark.svg &mdash; Kingdom of Denmark
 * Pavillon royal de la France.svg &mdash; Kingdom of France
 * Flag of Greece (1822-1978).svg &mdash; Kingdom of Greece
 * Flag of Hanover 1837-1866.svg &mdash; Kingdom of Hanover
 * Flag of Hesse.svg &mdash; Kingdom of Hesse
 * Flag of Hungary (1867-1918).svg &mdash; Kingdom of Hungary
 * Flag of Luxembourg.svg &mdash; Grand Duchy of Luxembourg
 * Flagge Großherzogtümer Mecklenburg.svg &mdash; Grand Duchy of Mecklenburg
 * Flag of Milan.svg &mdash; Duchy of Milan
 * Flag of the Duchy of Modena.svg &mdash; Duchy of Modena and Reggio
 * Flag of the Netherlands.svg &mdash; Kingdom of the Netherlands.
 * Flag of Oldenburg.svg &mdash; Grand Duchy of Oldenburg
 * Flag Portugal (1830).svg &mdash; Kingdom of Portugal
 * Flag of Prussia 1892-1918.svg &mdash; Kingdom of Prussia
 * Flag of Romania.svg &mdash; Kingdom of Romania.svg
 * Flag of the Papal States (1808-1870).svg &mdash; State of Rome
 * Flag of Russia.svg &mdash; Russian Empire
 * Flag of the Kingdom of Sardinia.svg &mdash; Kingdom of Sardinia
 * State Flag of Serbia (1882-1918).svg &mdash; Kingdom of Serbia
 * Flag of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies (1848).svg &mdash; Kingdom of the Two Sicilies
 * Flag of Spain.svg &mdash; Kingdom of Spain
 * Flag of Sweden.svg &mdash; Kingdom of Sweden
 * Flag of Switzerland (Pantone).svg &mdash; Swiss Confederation
 * Flag of Thuringia.svg &mdash; Kingdom of Thuringia
 * Flag of Tuscany.svg &mdash; Grand Duchy of Tuscany
 * Flag of the United Commonwealth (13 Fallen Stars).svg &mdash; United Britannic Commonwealth
 * Flag of Most Serene Republic of Venice.svg &mdash; Most Serene Republic of Venice
 * Flag of Germany.svg &mdash; Principality of Waldeck
 * Flagge Königreich Württemberg.svg &mdash; Kingdom of Württemberg

North America

 * Flag of California (13 Fallen Stars).svg &mdash; Republic of California
 * CSA FLAG 4.3.1861-21.5.1861.svg &mdash; Carolinian Confederacy
 * Naval Jack of Cuba.svg &mdash; Republic of Cuba
 * Pavillon royal de la France.svg &mdash; Kingdom of France
 * Flag of Guatemala.svg &mdash; Republic of Guatemala
 * Flag of Louisiana (January 1861).svg &mdash; Federal Republic of Louisiana
 * Flag of Maryland.svg &mdash; Republic of Maryland
 * Flag of New England (13 Fallen Stars).svg &mdash; United States of New England
 * Flag of New Netherland (13 Fallen Stars).svg &mdash; Union of New Netherland
 * Flag of Mexico.svg &mdash; Republic of New Spain
 * Flag of Pennsylvania (13 Fallen Stars).svg &mdash; Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
 * Civil Ensign of the Dominican Republic.svg &mdash; Republic of Saint Domingue
 * Flag of Spain.svg &mdash; Kingdom of Spain
 * Flag of the United Commonwealth (13 Fallen Stars).svg &mdash; United Britannic Commonwealth
 * Flag of Virginia (13 Fallen Stars).svg &mdash; Commonwealth of Virginia

Oceania

 * Flag of New Netherland (13 Fallen Stars).svg &mdash; Union of New Netherland
 * Flag of Fiji (13 Fallen Stars).svg 
 * Flag of the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands.svg 


 * Flag of the United Commonwealth (13 Fallen Stars).svg &mdash; United Britannic Commonwealth
 * Flag of Australia.svg 
 * Flag of Hawaii.svg 
 * Flag of New Zealand.svg 
 * Flag of Western Australia.svg 

South America

 * Flag of the United Commonwealth (13 Fallen Stars).svg &mdash; United Britannic Commonwealth
 * Flag of the Falkland Islands.svg 


 * (Guyana)
 * (Suriname)
 * (Argentina)
 * (Suriname)
 * (Argentina)
 * (Argentina)
 * (Argentina)
 * (Argentina)


 * Pategonia?

Presidents of New Netherland

 * OTL Presidents


 * (1837-1841) - NY
 * (1850-1853) - NY
 * (1885-1889, 1893-1897) - NJ
 * (1901-1909) - NY
 * (1933-1945) - NY
 * (1989-1993) - MA (family from NY)
 * (2001-2009) - CT (family from NY)


 * OTL Vice Presidents


 * (1801-1805) - NY
 * (1805-1812) - NY
 * (1817-1825) - NY
 * "" (1833-1837) - NY
 * "" (1849-1850) - NY
 * (1869-1873) - NY
 * (1877-1881) - NY
 * (1897-1899) - NJ
 * "" (1901-1901) - NY
 * (1909-1912) - NY
 * (1974-1977) - ME (family from NY)
 * "" (1981-1989) - CT (NY ancestry)


 * OTL Candidates


 * Italic = Vice Presidential candidate


 * - NY
 *  - NY
 *  - NJ
 *  - NJ
 * - NY
 * - NY
 * - NY
 *  - NJ
 * - NY
 * - NY
 *  - NY
 *  - NY


 * OTL Secretaries of State


 *  (1789-1790) - NY
 * "" (1829-1831) - NY
 * (1831-1833) - NY(LA)
 * (1861-1869) - NY
 * (1869-1877) - NY
 * (1881-1885) - NJ
 *  (1895-1895) - NY
 *  (1898-1898) - NY
 * (1905-1909) - NY
 * (1915-1920) - NY
 *  (1920-1920) - NY
 * (1921-1925) - NY
 * (1925-1929) - NY
 * (1929-1933) - NY
 * (1953-1959) - DC (maybe NY?)
 *  (1969) - NY
 * (1969-1973) - NY
 * '' (1977) - NY
 * (1982-1989) - NY
 * (2001-2005) - NY

Political Parties of NN

 * Union Party &mdash; (Democratic-Republican equivalent) based on "" and potential . Supported a stronger Federal Assembly, weaker Presidency, and more power to the states. Lead to a constitution which had the "Bill of Rights" within it, and a Federal Assembly based on the . Aside from debating between "New York" and "New Jersey" (both of which ceased to exist upon union) and between factions within (see Bucktails), the party held a monopoly in New Netherland (effectively making NN a single-party state, or a non-partisan state). Other potential names: Unionist, Republican


 *  &mdash; a faction within the party. The faction was against the "" of DeWitt Clinton. Based heavily on the "," the Bucktails would eventually become the basis for a new political party.


 * Liberty Party &mdash; (Democratic Party equivalent) formed from the Bucktails faction of the DRP (lead by Martin Van Buren). Like OTL, the party formed from the spitting of the DRP. The party supported a stronger president, continued states rights. The party was generally pro-immigration, but still dominantly pro-protestant. Equivalent also to the and the.


 * Congressional Party &mdash; (Whig/Republican Party equivalent) formed from the anti-Van Buren faction of the former DRP, this party continued to claim itself as the true Clintonian party (continuing on a stronger legislative branch). The party was also seen as anti-immigration and pro-protestantism. Later in its existence, the party would become imperialist, leading to the rise of the "New Dutch Empire." Other potential names: Republican


 * Progressive Party &mdash; formed in 1912, the Progressive Party was formed by Theodore Roosevelt. Formed from the progressive wing of the "Whig Party," the Progressive Party supported a strong president, greater government control, and continued imperialism. By the 1920s, the party would eventually become the successor to the "Whigs." See.

Elections and List

 * New Jersey, New York

The of  is elected for a three-year term. No term limits were around until the 1950s. Because George Clinton served only three terms (a total of nine years), the consensus stood at a maximum of three terms.

The following list shows the lineup of presidents, vice presidents, and political parties by the number of terms they served. Each year represents the year that an election took place. Elections take place in early November, with the president being interrogated on January 1 the following year.


 * R = Union Party
 * D = Liberty Party
 * W = Congressional Party
 * P = Progressive Party
 * † = Died in office


 * 1792 &mdash; –  (R)
 * 1795
 * 1798
 * 1801 &mdash; –  (R)
 * 1804
 * 1807
 * 1810 &mdash; –  (R)
 * 1813
 * 1816 &mdash; – † (R)
 * 1819
 * 1822
 * 1825 &mdash; –  (R)
 * 1828
 * 1831 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 1834
 * 1837
 * 1840 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 1843 &mdash; –  (W)
 * 1846
 * 1849
 * 1852 &mdash; –  (W)
 * 1855
 * 1858
 * 1861 &mdash; –  (W)
 * 1864
 * 1867 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 1870
 * 1873
 * 1876 &mdash; –  (W)
 * 1879
 * 1882
 * 1885 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 1888
 * 1891
 * 1894 &mdash; † – (W)
 * 1897
 * 1900 &mdash; –  (W)
 * 1903
 * 1906 &mdash; –  (W)
 * 1909
 * 1912 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 1915 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 1918
 * 1921
 * 1924 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 1927
 * 1930 &mdash; † – (P)
 * 1933
 * 1936
 * 1939
 * 1942
 * 1945 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 1948 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 1951
 * 1954
 * 1957 &mdash; – † (P)
 * 1960
 * 1963
 * 1966 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 1969
 * 1972
 * 1975 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 1978
 * 1981
 * 1984 &mdash; &mdash;  (D)
 * 1987
 * 1990 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 1993
 * 1996
 * 1999 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 2002
 * 2005
 * 2008 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 2011
 * 2014


 * Notes


 * Southard's death happened in the later state of his term. Because of which, it shouldn't be too odd that Frelinghuysen would serve three and a half terms.


 * Fillmore lost the 1844 gubernatorial election to a Massachusite (OTL). He may win ATL, and could run for president by 1852.


 * In the 1891 election, Cleveland nearly lost to opponent Alonzo B. Cornell.


 * William McKinley was assassinated. Roosevelt need reexplaining.


 * Grover Cleveland is an anti-imperialist. How can I work this out.
 * 1861~ - Danish Islands bought
 * 1875~ - Dutch Islands bought
 * 1881~ - Trouble starts in Spanish Colonies
 * 1883~ - Spanish Colonies bought
 * 1884/1885~ - Fiji and Tuvalu annexed
 * 1885/1886~ - Protectorate over Tonga
 * 1886-1895 - Cleveland administration (no expansion)
 * 1892~(1898) - Takeover of islands from new Venezuelan state


 * Garret Hobart was part of the NJ Assembly by 1872. Not too farfetched for him to run for President by 1897.


 * David B. Hill was Clevelands Lieutenant Governor OTL. Since both would be in two separate states ATL, seems okay to have it here and it not be too weird.


 * John Foster Dulles was born in DC (OTL), but his parents (or at least father) was New Yorker.

Colors
{{legend|#59BA1F|Liberty Party}} {{legend|#C32147|Progressive Party}} {{legend|#20548A|Republican Party (old)}} {{legend|#D5C923|Union Party (old)}}

New Election list
New York and New Jersey originally elected their governors to run for three-year terms. This was also used in Pennsylvania and the Articles of Confederation. Since President Clinton only served two terms (a total of six-years), the de facto number became a maximum of two terms.

When Presidents began looking into more terms, leading to the prolonged administrations of Theodore Roosevelt and Franklin D. Roosevelt; the term limits were put to vote around the late 1940s. The constitution now has the presidents elected for a single term, which has been extended to six-years (rather than three).

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 * 1792 &mdash; –  (R)
 * 1795
 * 1798 &mdash; –  (R)
 * 1801
 * 1804 &mdash; &mdash;  (R)
 * 1807 &mdash; –  (R)
 * 1810
 * 1813 &mdash; –  (R)
 * 1816
 * 1819 &mdash; –  (R)
 * 1822
 * 1825 &mdash; –  (R)
 * 1828
 * 1831 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 1834
 * 1837 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 1840 &mdash; † &mdash; (W)
 * 1843 &mdash; &mdash;  (W)
 * 1846
 * 1849 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 1852
 * 1855 &mdash; –  (W)
 * 1858
 * 1861 &mdash; –  (W)
 * 1864
 * 1867 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 1870
 * 1873 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 1876
 * 1879 &mdash; –  (W)
 * 1882
 * 1885 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 1888 &mdash; &mdash;  (W)
 * 1891 &mdash; &mdash;  (D)
 * 1894 &mdash; † – / (W)
 * 1897
 * 1900 &mdash; –  (W)
 * 1903
 * 1906 &mdash; –  (W)
 * 1909 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 1912 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 1915 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 1918
 * 1921 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 1924
 * 1927 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 1930
 * 1933 &mdash; † – (P)
 * 1936
 * 1939
 * 1942
 * 1945 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 1948 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 1951
 * 1954 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 1957
 * 1960 &mdash; &mdash;  (D)
 * 1963
 * 1966 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 1969
 * 1972 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 1975
 * 1978 &mdash; &mdash;
 * 1981
 * 1984 &mdash; &mdash;   (D)
 * 1987
 * 1990 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 1993
 * 1996 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 1999
 * 2002 &mdash; &mdash;  (D)
 * 2005
 * 2008 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 2011


 * Notes


 * : I have always liked this guy, especially because he was the selected running mate for Roosevelt in 1912. Now I get an even luckier break. While born in California, his father (and maybe mother) were from New York.


 * W. Averell Harriman would become the first President to serve a single six-year term.

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New Netherland: The Empire State

 * Main article: 



The Union of New Netherland will also become an imperial power.


 * "Antarctic Territory"
 * (excluding, , and )
 * (excluding, , and )


 * Micronesia


 * Fiji


 * (joint operation)
 * (protectorate)
 * (protectorate)


 * Union of New Netherland
 * Contiguous New Netherland
 * (excluding )
 * New Netherlander Antilles
 * Curacao
 * (excluding and )
 * Statia
 * (excluding and )
 * Statia
 * (excluding and )
 * Statia
 * Statia

Timeline

 * 1861 &mdash; Scandinavian West Indies
 * 1875 &mdash; Dutch West Indies
 * 1881 &mdash; Trouble starts in Spanish Colonies
 * 1883 &mdash; Spanish Colonies bought
 * Marshall Islands?
 * 1884/1885 &mdash; Fiji and Tuvalu annexed
 * 1885/1886 &mdash; Protectorate over Tonga
 * 1892 &mdash; Takeover of islands from new Venezuelan state

Timeline for New Netherland and her Empire

 * Events in italic are not related to New Netherland, but are crucial enough to be mentioned (as of now).


 * October 1787 &mdash; The ends with no agreement, and bitterness towards there being a successful union between the former colonies.


 * November 9, 1787 &mdash; The declares their independence from the United States of America (becoming one of the first states to do so).


 * March 24, 1788 &mdash; The are officially voided, ending the United States of America. The  officially becomes independent.


 * Late 1788 &mdash; Discussions between the begin on whether to form a rump USA between them. Proposed by, the goals of this union were to compete against Virginia and the New England states. The proposed union never materialized, effectively ending by 1790 (after the death of Franklin, and the ongoing war in Vermont).


 * Mid 1789 &mdash; The states of Connecticut, New Hampshire, and Massachusetts (which at the time included Aroostook and Maine) sign the Hartford Convention, establishing the . Rhode Island would join in 1790, and Vermont by 1792.


 * Late 1789 &mdash; Due to growing tensions between New York and New England, New York troops enter into Vermont to assert their claim to the region. New England supports and aids the Vermont Republic. The begins.


 * 1790 &mdash; (Vermont War) A battalion lead by (a member of the Mohawk Tribe, and the only Native American to serve a high rank during the American Revolution), lead a successful campaign to push Vermont troops out of modern day Adirondack and Schenectady. In what became known as the Battle of the Hudson, New York was able to keep Vermont (and New England) from gaining access to the Hudson River.


 * 1791 &mdash; Within both New Jersey and New York, two secession movements form around this time:
 * Residents in eastern Long Island (primarily ) establish themselves as the "Long Island Boys." In response to the success in Vermont, the group hoped to gain the independence of Long Island (with prospects of them becoming part of New England). The group only gained support in eastern Long Island (with the west supporting New York). With the conclusion of the war nearing, the group gained little support in New England, and only angered those in New York.
 * While New Jersey remained neutral in the Vermont War, many Jerseyites from the northeast volunteered on behalf of New York. Those in the southwest wanted nothing to do with the war. With rumors that New Jersey would soon enter the war (a rumor which was not true), the state became divided based on . Those in the southwest declared the reestablishment of the long lost province of, going as far to show support in uniting with (which at the time was finalizing its federation with Delaware).


 * Late 1791 &mdash; New England and New York sign the Treaty of Providence, ending the Vermont War. As part of the treaty:
 * New York recognizes the independence of the Vermont Republic. The border between New York and Vermont is finalized, giving New York a 20 mile corridor east of the Hudson River, then using to complete the border.
 * New York agrees to transfer its claims west of the and the  (the ) to New England, in exchange for New England relinquishing any remaining claims to the areas within New York (the  and the  [if it existed by this point]). This makes the 1786  null and void.
 * New England agreed not to support any secession movements within New York (the so called "Long Island Boys").


 * June 26, 1792 &mdash; After months of discussions, New Jersey and New York agree to unite under the temporary "Union of New York and New Jersey." During the conventions to establish a constitution, the following topics are agreed upon:
 * Long Island and West Jersey would be allowed membership in the union (establishing a union of four states).
 * The upstate portion of New York (north of Albany County and west of the Delaware River) would be transferred to the new federal government (creating the "District of Albany"). In part for its lose, it is agreed to have become the capital for the new nation.
 * Border disputes between New York and New Jersey are finalized, with NY agreeing to sell (Staten Island) to New Jersey.
 * The new legislature (the Federal Assembly) would be based on the the proposed plan by (the ), which would give each state equal representation (regardless of size, population, or land ownership).
 * A proposal was made by war hero to reestablish the territory which Great Britain set aside for the Six Nations of the, creating a fifth state for both Iroquois and white settlers. While this proposal was not adopted, the basis of which would reemerge years later.


 * Late 1792 &mdash; All four states ratify the new constitution. Prior to which, the name of the new nation was changed to the (after the  which occupied the same region). The remnants of New Jersey and New York (which both lost territory as part of the new constitution) were renamed East Jersey and Hudson (respectively).


 * November 1792 &mdash; The first presidential elections take place. Former New York Governor (and known anti-federalist) wins in a landslide victory (winning the majority in all four states).


 * 1805 &mdash; The District of Albany is divided into four entities. The Capital District (a diamond-shaped plot of land in which the capital and federal government claims), the Schenectady Territory (the area effectively east of the Susquehanna River), and the Iroquois Territory (the westernmost portion of the nation). Despite its name (and being loosely based on a proposal by Joseph Louis Cook), the Iroquois Territory was only in Iroquois in name, and set aside for primarily white settlers (rather than a joint Iroquois-White state, as proposed by Cook). Despite this, Cook was appointed as the first territorial governor (a post he would hold until his tragic death in 1814). Cook continued to work with the federal government, and convincing many tribes to sell territory to Albany.


 * July 4, 1817 &mdash; Construction begins on the (a canal stretching from the Hudson River (via the Mohawk River) to Lake Erie (via the Niagara River).


 * October 26, 1825 &mdash; The Erie Canal is completed. The construction is seen as a major event in the administration of.


 * 1830 &mdash; The area west of the (mostly part of the  at the time) is admitted as the State of Niagara (the fifth state).


 * 1834 &mdash; The southern-half of the Schenectady Territory is admitted as the State of Schenectady. The remaining portions become the new Adirondack Territory.


 * 1837 &mdash; Revolution breaks out in . After the success of the revolution (and the independence of ) by 1840, many of the exiled Iroquois communities trekked back south to New Netherland (becoming a regional problem in the coming decade).


 * 1845 &mdash; With an increase in the Iroquois population in New Netherland (added with the increased White population along the Erie Canal), the territory demands statehood. Supported by President, statehood was eventually allowed after the agreement to divide the territory. The southern portion would become the new Genessee Territory, and the area north of the Black River was transferred to the Adirondack Territory. The State of Iroquois was admitted later in the year.


 * 1863 &mdash; agrees to sell their colonial possessions in the West Indies (the ) to New Netherland. The purchase becomes one of the major events of the, and is seen as the beginning towards the New Netherlander Colonial Empire.


 * 1876 &mdash; The agree to sell the Dutch West Indies (the ) to New Netherland. The islands are incorporated into the "New Netherlander West Indies," with the capital moving to  years later.


 * 1878 &mdash; offers to sell  (Saint Barts) to New Netherland. The island is incorporated into the New Netherlander West Indies.


 * 1881 &mdash; Tensions between Spain and many of her dominions in the Americas leads to revolutions in many (most noted would be Venezuela).


 * 1883 &mdash; In a radical move in part of the, Spain agrees to sell portions of her empire to New Netherland. The acquired territory includes the (Micronesia [not including the Philippines]), and  . This purchase gives New Netherland a footing in the Pacific and in Africa, leading New Netherland into the  age.


 * 1885 &mdash; New Netherland annexes and the  (Tuvalu).


 * 1886 &mdash; In an agreement with the, the island nation becomes a protectorate of New Netherland.

Presidents in 13 Fallen Stars
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 * Notes


 * The is hard to figure out. The patriarch  is from New Jersey, Samuel's son  was born in Ohio because of his father's work, and Prescot's son and grandson ( and ) were born in Massachusetts and Connecticut (respectively). From that, the family can be either New Netherlander, Pennsylvanian, and or New Englander (roughly in order).
 * The family seems to be more New Netherlander than New Englander. This may also be interesting to work into, since Prescot Bush is a suspect in the "failed" against Franklin D. Roosevelt.


 * was the first (and only) President born in California. However, given that both his parents originate from Ohio, and that he and his family were Quakers, I believe it is safe to assume Nixon may have been Pennsylvanian had the cards play right.


 * LG has helped out along

Candidates
With the multitude of nations, many presidential candidates in OTL may have better luck in their nations. Here are a few candidates.


 * Al Gore was born in DC. His father was a Senator from Tennessee, but his family originates from Virginia prior to the Revolutionary War. Likely, his family would probably remain in Virginia. This definitely eliminates the obvious nature of him being the VP of Carolinian-born Bill Clinton.


 * Hillary Clinton's mother would probably be Canadian. Given her troubled life, she may very well leave and comes across Pennsylvanian-born Hugh Rodham. Though the connections towards her being Pennsylvanian is pretty close, as her family tree has Virginian, Tennessean, and English on her father's side.

Timeline: Borealia RA



 * Will it ever end? &mdash; 11/3/12


 * 1868 &mdash; The is passed, which unites  and the  into the Colony of Assiniboia.  is appointed as Assiniboia's first Governor.


 * 1880 &mdash; The  are transferred to Assiniboia.


 * 1905 &mdash; Due to population growth and the growing spheres of influence of the United States (specifically after the and the Annexation of Panama), the Colony of Assiniboia is divided. The western-portions become the Colony of Buffalo.  is appointed Governor.


 * 1914–1920 &mdash; Railways are created within Assiniboia and Buffalo.


 * 1924 &mdash; Due to population growth, two new colonies are established. The Colony of Athabasca is established from northern Buffalo, while the Colony of Keewatin is established from northern Assiniboia.


 * 1928 &mdash; The Dominion Act is signed, uniting the four colonies (and their territories) into the Borealia:Dominion of Borealia:0. Shortly after the union, the regions of the Arctic, Denendeh, Kivalliq, and Ungava are established as separate territories.

United Polynesia in Russian America
Main articles: Polynesia:0:0


 * 


 * Links


 * Hawaii (Central World) (for monarchy list)
 * Hawaii (Central World) (for monarchy list)


 * Timeline


 * Late 1800s &mdash; The Kingdom of Hawaii remains an independent nation, due in great part to a weaker American presence in the Pacific throughout the 19th century. Expansion by the Russians, the French, and the Japanese leads Hawaii to receive closer relations with Great Britain (at the most becoming a protectorate). Off the coast of South America, the United Kingdom would claim Easter Island as part of their Pacific territory (which is due in part to Chile focusing on Patagonia).


 * Early 1900s &mdash; The United States acquires the Philippines, Guam, and Panama (and may still gain Midway), while the Russian Empire acquires an ice-free port on the Pacific; thereby increasing their presence towards Hawaii (but it wouldn't affect them much, just a point to make).


 * 1940s &mdash; With the occupation of France and the preoccupation of the British during World War II, Hawaiian and other British-backed Polynesian troops occupy French Polynesia and Wallis and Futuna. This would eventually help in the idea of a united Polynesian identity.


 * Post-WWII &mdash; With the rise of American, Japanese, and Soviet presence increasing (not to mention the greater weakening of British and French presence); and the rise of ; the idea of a united Polynesia begins to gain popularity among the Polynesian islands. Debates arose on how such an idea would become a reality, but the eventual consensus supports a British-like monarchy and parliamentary system. Most assumed and supported the Hawaiian monarchy, while others (mostly in the southernmost islands) supported the Tongan monarchy (which at the time was a protectorate of the UK).


 * 1953 &mdash; Talks on the issue of "Polynesia's future" began in Honolulu, and was dominated by Hawaiians and Tongans (who had enough say to start the idea). After months of debates, polls, and votes; the two sides agree on establishing a confederation of islands, united under the Hawaiian monarchy, and a democratic parliament centered in Tonga. Another agreement towards union was that any government would provide continued access between the islands (which will utilize boats and airplanes). After a series of referendums, Hawaiians unanimously supported the idea (over 90%), while a good majority of Tongans (about 60-70%) supported the idea.


 * 1955 &mdash; The union becomes official, with Hawaii and Tonga uniting as the Polynesia:United Kingdom of Polynesia:0. Hawaii's king becomes the King of Polynesia, while a Tongan is appointed Prime Minister (who is later democratically voted into office).


 * 1950s-1960s &mdash; Across the British Pacific colonies, referendums are held on becoming part of the UKP. All of which vote in favor of a union. Later in the decade, the French colonies vote on the issue, with a majority favoring a union. Unlike the British colonies, both French colonies (French Polynesia and Wallis and Futuna) vote to be admitted as divided states (Wallis and Futuna would be admitted separately, as well as FP being admitted as several smaller states). The last referendum to be held was in Fiji, which was debated on whether to become part of Polynesia (supported by the native Fijians) or going in another direction&mdash;including gaining independence or uniting with Australia (supported by the the European and Hindi population). Never the less, Fijians voted in a two-thirds majority to join Polynesia.


 * Late 1960s &mdash; In cooperation with the US and UK, the Line Islands are sold to Polynesia. In comparison with neighboring Kiribati, the Line Islands would be part of a united Polynesian project to populate the mostly unpopulated islands (as well as giving a clear controlled water between Hawaii and the more populated south).


 * 1970s-1980s &mdash; An idea called "islandism" begins to gain popularity in Polynesia. The main focus of which is gaining regional sovereignty for several islands (the most noted being Tauai among the Hawaiian islands).


 * States




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 * 2) Flag of Fiji.svg
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 * 4) Kanaka Maoli flag.svg
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 * 7) Flag of the Gambier Islands.svg
 * 8) Flag of Niue.svg
 * 9) Flag of the Pitcairn Islands.svg
 * 10) Flag of Raiatea.svg
 * 11) Flag of Rapa.svg
 * 12) Flag of Rapa Nui, Chile.svg
 * 13) Flag of Rarotonga 1858-1888.svg
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 * 15) Flag of Samoa.svg
 * 16) Flag of Tahiti.svg
 * 17) Flag.svg
 * 18) Flag of Tokelau.svg
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 * 20) Flag of Tuamotu Archipelago.svg
 * 21) Flag of the Austral Islands.svg
 * 22) Flag of Tuvalu.svg
 * 23) Flag of Wallis and Futuna.svg

Territorial evolution of Alaska

 * 1812 &mdash; Fort Ross is established (well within New Spain).


 * 1821 &mdash; Russia declares full claim over the North American coast north of the 51st parallel, and the.


 * 1824 &mdash; After winning the Russo-Spanish War:0:0, Russia gains Spain's claims to the Pacific Northwest. Russia and Mexico agree to use the historically prevalent 42nd parallel as their borders (with the exception of the Slavianka Valley).


 * 1826 &mdash; Russia and the United States agree to finalize their borders. The US agrees to relinquish their claims west of the Rocky Mountains (the Great Continental Divide), in exchange for trading rights in Russian territory. Russia also agrees to lease Fort Astoria to the Americans for 25 years.


 * 1827 &mdash; Russia and Great Britain finalize their borders. It is agreed to use the Rocky Mountains up until it reaches the northernmost point on the, at which time the river will act as the border. Disputes continue over the border between Russia's northern claims and Britain's . The territory between the 51st parallel and the 54th parallel and 40 minutes become disputed territory.


 * 1830 &mdash; Russia purchases territory from Mexico. Russia now acquires all the territory northwest of the Sacramento and Pit Rivers.


 * 1835 &mdash; Russia fully integrates its claims in North America as part of the trans-continental empire. The territory is divided into three oblasts. The Alaska Oblast comprises of the territory northwest of the, the New Russia Oblast contains the territory southeast of the Copper River, and northwest of the 51st parallel and the Columbia River; while the Oregon Oblast comprises of the territory southeast of the Columbia River.


 * 1845 &mdash; Russia and Great Britain further finalize their borders after the loss of the United Republic of Canada:Canadas:0. Britain agrees to use the entire Continental Divide and the Mackenzie River watershed as the border between British and Russian claims. The disputed territories becomes a jointly administrated territory.


 * 1849 &mdash; The British establish the .


 * 1850 &mdash; After the discovery of gold, the portions of the Oregon Oblast south of the 42nd parallel is separated as the new Sonoma Oblast.


 * 1853 &mdash; The British establish the (which acted as a dependency of Vancouver Island). The British claim that because it was an archipelago well of the coast, Russia didn't claim the territory. Being involved in the Crimean War, Russia does nothing.


 * 1857 &mdash; After Russia's defeat in the, Russia agrees to relinquish its claims to the.


 * 1858 &mdash; The Columbia District becomes the.


 * 1866 &mdash; Due to a collapsing budget, the British unite their regional colonies into into the .


 * 1872 &mdash; Due to cost and pressure of loosing them in a war, Great Britain agrees to hand over full control of the disputed "New Caledonia" region to Russia, and to sell the remaining colonies to them for a total of 10 million dollars. The Queen Charlotte Islands and New Caledonia were integrated into New Russia (which already claimed them), with the remaining claim becoming the Columbia Oblast.


 * 1884 &mdash; After the discovery of gold in New Caledonia, the portions of New Russia south of the Stikine River is separated as the New Caledonia Oblast. Later on, the northernmost portions of the oblast would become populated by Russian Protestants.


 * 1897 &mdash; With the discovery of gold, the entire Yukon River watershed (and area north of it) is separated from the Alaska and New Russia oblasts to form the Yukon Oblast.


 * 1899 &mdash; Due to growing population differences and a population boom after the completion of the Transcontinental railway, the Alaska Oblast is divided into two. The eastern portion becomes the Kodiak[-Kenai] Oblast, with the remaining becoming a rump Alaska Oblast (now centered in Nushagak:0:0).


 * 1900 &mdash; With the discovery of gold in the Golovnin Peninsula, the Yukon Oblast is divided into two, the East Yukon Oblast (centered in Klondike), and the West Yukon Oblast (centered in Golovninsk, later moved New Golovninsk).


 * 1907 &mdash; The oblasts of the America Governorate-General are separated from the Russian Empire as the Alaskan Commonwealth:0:0 (an independent nation under similar guidelines as British Acadia and Australia). The nine oblasts are upgraded into governorates, with the Alaska Oblast being renamed as the new Shelikof Governorate.


 * 1917 &mdash; After the outbreak of revolution in Russia, the three southernmost governorates of Alaska (Sonoma, Oregon, and Columbia) declare independence as the Republic of Oregon. The remaining oblasts are reorganized into an independent Alaskan Republic (with hopes of reunification).


 * 1920 &mdash; Pro-English revolutionaries take over Columbia, declaring the independence of the Columbia Governorate as the Republic of New Albion. Later on, the new republic annexes the Queen Charlotte Islands and the territory south of the 54th parallel and 40 minutes.


 * 1921 &mdash; Communist protests break out in New Archangel, Pavlovskaia, Ross, and Nushagak. Police are able to break up the riots in the first two cities. While unsuccessful in Ross, the protests leads to reforms within the governorate. The protests in Nushagak are successful, leading to a communist safe haven.


 * 1922 &mdash; After failed talks to establish a federation within Oregon, the Sonoma Governorate declares independence as the Republic of Sonoma.


 * 1923 &mdash; The Alaskan Socialist Republic:Alaskan Soviet Socialist Republic:0 is declared in Nushagak. Only the Shelikof and West Yukon Governorates support the new government, with the remaining regions being more conservative to accept communism. War soon breaks out.


 * 1924 &mdash; The Northern War ends with the eastern governorates of Alaska fighting off communism, and the communists annexing the portions of East Yukon north of the . New Russia (which had annexed the portions of New Caledonia which were not under New Albionian control) and Kodiak-Kenai agree to unite as the Democratic Republic of New Russia. East Yukon not willingly join, and instead is declared as being part of both the Alaskan SSR and New Russia (but with an independent government still working in Kodiak and later Beloloshadsk). Later in the year, Oregon is reestablished into the United Republic of Oregon, which allows the English-speaking region of Idaho to retain autonomy within the nation.


 * 1927 &mdash; After the death of a nationalist leader (name to come later), democratic reforms begin in New Russia. People like Igor Druganin:0:0 take power.


 * 1929 &mdash; A coalition is established between New Russia and Oregon. Initially established as a democratic alliance against communism, it was also a small attempt towards reunification. A month later, the Stock Market crashes (leading to the Great Depression), which is also seen a an excelerant towards total integration.


 * 1931 &mdash; New Russia and Oregon ratify a new constitution, transforming the coalition into a federation: the Alaska:Alaskan Democratic Federative Republic:0. New Archangel is separated from New Russia as the Federal District (Okrug), with the remainder of New Russia and Oregon becoming governorates of the ADFR.


 * 1934 &mdash; Due greatly to the Great Depression and moves towards Russians living in the nation (opposed to the attempts of forced Anglicization), New Albion agrees to become a governorate of the ADFR.


 * 1935 &mdash; Sonoma becomes a governorate of the ADFR.


 * 1937 &mdash; With the agreement to become a separate entity, the once unrecognized government of East Yukon is admitted as a governorate.


 * 1938 &mdash; War breaks out between the ASR and the ADFR.


 * 1939 &mdash; The Alaskan Socialist Republic ceases to exist. ADFR troops occupy Nushagak. Prior to the siege, the government fled down the Alaskan peninsula, eventually being move to the Komandorski Islands off the coast of Kamchatka. A rump nation is established as the Aleutian Soviet Socialist Republic.

An Alternate Russia

 * Main article: Russia:0:0, My Talk Page
 * See also: 1993 Alexander Rutskoy become Russia president and stay it! and more

Due in great part to Russia being able to successfully expand its territory and playing a greater role in the 19th and 20th centuries, it seems rather bland for Russia to become what it has become in OTL. I initially just thought of having Russia change their flag, then thought about incorporating elements of New Union into the timeline; but now I believe I have come up with a unique and interesting change for the Russian Federation.


 * Links


 * Unofficial autonomist flags of 1992-1993
 * Unofficial autonomist flags of 1992-1993


 * Pre-POD

Aside from a few changes (involving date and outcome), the Russian Revolution would take place in 1917, leading to the rise of communism and the Soviet Union by 1922. Despite the Soviet Union expanding to include more territory than OTL (not to mention differing border and conflicts throughout the Cold War), the Soviet Union would develop the same as OTL, and would collapse in 1991. leads Russia towards independence and democracy. Opposition towards Yeltsin would develop (as in OTL), eventually leading to towards Russia's future.


 * POD

Despite wishing to remain neutral in the crisis, the Russian Army decides to side with the Supreme Soviet (lead by Vice President and opposition leader ). The crisis would turn into a military-backed coup against Yeltsin. By the end of October 1993, Yeltsin is arrested and Rutskoy becomes the official President of Russia.


 * Butterflies


 * While Rutskoy was opposed to Yeltsin and a communist-sympathizer, he was not a hardliner. Rutskoy was a founding member of a CPSU faction called "Communists for Democracy," and would have supported to continued democratization of Russia. His main opposition would be towards Yeltsin's capitalist reforms and attempts towards the "Americanization" of Russia (which Yeltsin did favor).


 * The Russian government abandons the capitalist reforms, moving towards a slower process towards a free-market economy. While a slower process, the Russian economy would develop as a successful post-communist state, while avoiding the economic collapse that took place in 1998 (OTL). This would also prevent the rise of cronyism that affected OTL Russia in the '90s, helping for a smoother transition. Effectively, Russia would turn out (more or less) like the USSR in the New Union timeline; or (as one put it) "" Russia much earlier.




 * The crisis of 1993 was the product of Yeltsin (according to the opposition) going against the 1978 Constitution (which was still in place). After winning the coup, it would be rather unlikely that a new constitution would be implemented (at least after the crisis). Because of which, the "hierarchical" system towards the would remain for the time being (in which the Republics gained more say than the oblasts and krais). Republican movements would continue in the oblasts, eventually leading to the Russian Federation being transformed into a federation of republics. Prolonging the issue and solving it in this manner would help securing the federalization of Russia (making it a stronger and diverse nation).


 * Russia's foreign relations would be about the same. The only foreseeable difference (that I can make out) would be Rutskoy's support towards the break-away states of the former Soviet Union (e.g., Abkhazia, the Crimea, Pridnestrovie, and South Ossetia). Depending on the situation (which will have to be looked at further), we could see Russia's recognizing the independence of Abkhazia, Pridnestrovie, and South Ossetia much earlier (the question of annexation is much different); and depending on how well the Ukraine would work with a Rutskoy Russia, than maybe the Crimea would retain its autonomy status within the Ukraine.




 * After the 1996 Presidential Election (in which Rutskoy would be democratically elected), the question of replacing the Imperial Tricolor (which was adopted under Yeltsin) would be put into question. In 1997, the people of Russia would vote in favor of adopting a variation of the former . The hammer-sickle and gold-bordered red star are replaced with a solid-gold star (representing unity). This would be similar to what happened in Belarus OTL.

Presidents of the United States in RA
In Russian America, the presidential lineup of the United States would begin to greatly diverge by the 1950s. It is around this time that Presidents who were born in territories outside of ATL United States become presidents. Four presidents come to mind: Eisenhower, Johnson, Nixon, and Obama.


 * Presidents to worry about


 *  (1953–1961) &mdash; Eisenhower was born in Texas (which is part of Mexico:0:0). However, I came across the fact that his parents moved to Texas from Kansas. With this, it may just be possible that his parents just remain in Kansas, so Ike would be born in there instead.


 *  (1963–1969) &mdash; LBJ was born in Texas (see Eisenhower). Unlike Ike, LBJ's ancestry seems to go further back, with relatives from the Carolinas and Kentucky. Since this goes really far back, the likelihood of LBJ being born at all seems slim IMHO.


 *  (1969–1974) &mdash; Tricky Dick was born in California (part of Mexico). However, I came across the fact that his parents are both from the midwest (Ohio and Indiana), with his Mother having Ohio parents. However, his parents met and married in California. He may be alive here.


 *  (2008–Incumbent) &mdash; Obama was born in Hawaii (Polynesia:0:0). His father is Kenyan and his Mother is from Kansas. I would guess he wouldn't have been born here.


 * Potential ideas


 * (Canadian PM/ATL American)
 * (maybe)
 * (incumbent)

China


After their defeat in the, the Japan:Empire of Japan:0 would be considerably weakened as a regional power. This would benefit neighboring China:0:0 and their major European ally (Germany). China would side with Germany and Italy at the start of World War II, which would encourage Chinese actions towards dominance. China would gain control over France's Asian colonies after the German occupation, encouraging Chinese actions against their neighbors. China begins actions towards the south, occupying Hong Kong, Macau, and Singapore. Attempts to regain control over the historically Chinese Taiwan and Manchuria begin to fail from the superior powers of Japan and the Soviet Union. China is further weakened by a weakening Germany. By the end of 1945, the three Allies of Asia (Japan, UK, USSR) launch an invasion of China, ending the Republican government.

After the occupation, China is divided by the Allies. The Soviets (who regain total control of Manchuria) annex East Turkestan and the remaining Mongol lands in northern and western China. The British (who regain control over Hong Kong) annex the Tibetan lands as a protectorate. Japan chooses to control, establishing a puppet government lead by the former. Japanese occupation of China wouldn't end until the 1970s.


 * Former "Republic of China"


 * China Qing Dynasty Flag 1889.svg China:0:0 (Japan)
 * Flag of Tibet.svg Tibet:0:0 (United Kingdom) ()
 * Flag of the Second East Turkestan Republic.svg Uyghuristan:0:0 (Soviet Union) ()

Germany


With Japan being an ally (also, Hawaii isn't part of the US) and China not being as much of an enemy towards American presence in the Pacific, the US would not get involved in the war by means of an attack. But knowing FDR, the US was bound to get involved, and with the American might going full force in Europe. Once Germany falls, the allied powers agree that Germany should cease to exist, agreeing to divide the nation into smaller states. Roosevelt's plan for five German states is agreed upon, but the rise of the Cold War leads Germany away from Roosevelt's initial plan.

The Soviets give much of eastern Germany to Poland and them. The two territories the Soviets occupy are merged into the Prussian Democratic Republic. In cooperation with France, the US agree on territorial transfers. Portions of the American controlled regions unite with the French regions to create the states of Hesse and Swabia. The remaining American territory becoming the Republic of Bavaria, while the remaining French territory is annexed into France. The British unite their region into Hanover.


 * Former Germany


 * Flag of Bavaria.svg Bavaria:0:0 (United States)
 * Flagge Preußen - Provinz Hannover.svg Hanover:0:0 (United Kingdom)
 * Flag of Hesse.svg Hesse:0:0 (Franco-American)
 * Flag of the German Empire.svg Prussia:0:0 (Soviet Union)
 * Flag of Baden-Württemberg.svg Swabia:0:0 (Franco-American)

Japan in Russian America


After loosing the, Japan becomes weaker, yet builds up its military. After the collapse of the Russian Empire, Japan uses this power to occupy the Russian Far East (as in OTL). In exchange for keeping (and Manchuria), the new Soviet Union allows Japan to regain the Kurils and to control the Korean Peninsula.

While later, Japan would still annex Korea into the Empire. With Manchuria being Soviet, Japan would not get involved in a war with China (allowing more time for Korea to be "peacefully" integrated into Japan). During WWII, Axis China (backed by German arms and gaining influence over the French and British territories in Asia), China launches an invasion of Taiwan, leading Japan into the war on the side of the Allies.

After WWII, Japan becomes one of the main powers during the Cold War (with Japan being a [more-or-less]) ally of the Western powers), but Japan remains the same as pre-1945 Japan OLT). By the 1970s-80s, Japan's presence globally helps spread democratic and western ideals into the Empire. Political change will change Japan to become (more or less) like OTL (a parliamentary monarchy).

Within its territory, the reformed Empire of Japan evolves into a UK-like monarchy, which divides the kingdom into "countries." Korea becomes the main reasoning for which, but eventually Ezo (Hokkaido), Ryukyu (Okinawa), Taiwan, and Micronesia would become separate "countries" within Japan. The remaining territory of Japan (the "home islands") become Yamato.


 * Countries/Kokus of Japan


 *  &mdash; and  (historically )


 *  &mdash; (historically )


 *  &mdash; (historically )


 *  &mdash; / (historically )


 *  &mdash; ( and )


 *  &mdash; (historically )


 * Links


 * Alternate Japan (where Tiu got the idea)
 * Korea & Taiwan in a Japanese Empire that stayed small (for the cultural views)

Long Island and the Outer Lands

 * BrianD's talkpage

Targets in New York


List Over-killing map Simulator (Another one)


 * Primary




 * Secondary


 * (all south of and west of  to state line)
 * (all south of and west of  to state line)


 * Tertiary



Potential other ideas

 *  &mdash; Given that the plant was completed in [January] 1984, the idea of it being completed and actually used to power Long Island seems plausible. Especially if Plymouth has a working plant and that nuclear experts from the Brookhaven National Laboratory may have survived. And given the fact that LI is already radiated, I doubt there would be too many anti-nuclear sentiment in LI (especially when powering the island should be more important).


 *  &mdash; While nothing more than a raccoon which was disfigured by decomposition and ocean currents, there were rumors that it was a genetic experiment that escaped. While not going that far, it might be interesting to think that if this creature still pops up ATL, that many Long Islanders may have spread rumors that it was a mutant.

Shoreham Nuclear Power Plant
The  was a nuclear power plant constructed in. It was the first (and only) nuclear plant to have been built on Long Island; and was proposed to help ease the power needs for Long Islanders and New Yorkers alike.

Despite being supported initially, three major events would doom the plant. The first was the 1979 accident at in, which caused initial fears over plant safety and fears over limited safely evacuating Long Islanders in a worst case scenario. The second was in 1985, in which  (the company who was also constructing the plant) was unable to restore power to Long Island for over a week (showing oversights on the company). The third and final event was the 1986 disaster at in the, which further ended the atomic age globally (let alone the United States).

Despite hopes to continue operation, even being allowed to operate low-level tests on the reactor in 1985, the Shoreham Nuclear Plant was decommissioned in 1989 (becoming the first nuclear plant to be decommissioned in the United States). It wouldn't be until 1994 that all the traces of nuclear fuel were removed from the site. In order to prevent the plant from being activates, New York State purchased LILCO (under the new LIPA company), and Long Islanders were taxed for the construction of the plant (which they continue to pay to this day).

But with a nuclear holocaust taking place in 1983, could the Shoreham plant been ironically saved? Here, I believe that it is plausible (if not optimistic).


 * Key arguments


 * Because of the plant's location in eastern Long Island, the energy complex would suffer little to no damage from the nuclear strikes in the west and north.


 * Despite delays, the Shoreham plant was practically completed by September 1983 (but officially completed in January 1984). While some construction would be needed after doomsday, nothing crucial was needed (such as the reactor). All that would be needed by the time I am considering the plant to be used is some checking, finishing up, and finally fuel (more on that in a second).


 * Fuel is a tricky thing to find. However, if Plymouth has a workable reactor in use, then I can assume it would be easy to have the Outer Lands have some access to nuclear fuel (aside from the obviously cliche "nuclear anything in western LI"). However, I came across in the page that they "worked with technicians from [these countries] to dismantle the plants and sell the nuclear materials to them for either safe disposal or use in their own energy programs."  It could be safe to assume that Delmarva and the Outer Lands could work together in this process (and the timeline seems workable from what I see).


 * The only other issue would be the obvious support. Since Long Island's infrastructure was centered in the west (which is gone), and going about two decades without power would probably eliminate the "no nukes" mentality of Long Islanders (who in 1983 had a 70% approval of the plant) would most likely believe that powering the island was more beneficial then worrying about the fact that the plant would be powered by the same technology that destroyed half the world.


 * Timeline


 * 1983 &mdash; Doomsday has little affect on eastern Long Island, leaving the energy complex of the plant in tact and undamaged.


 * 1984 &mdash; Due to its technological importance, and fears that it could be used for terrorist uses, the Shoreham site is placed on guard (as was the Brookhaven National Laboratory and other sites in Brookhaven).


 * 1985–1996 &mdash; Aside from minor damage from Hurricane Gloria in 1985, animal habitation, and average dust and time; the Shoreham site would remain unaffected for over a decade.


 * 1997(ish) &mdash; With the "survivalist era" ending and the rise of "remodernization" taking place across the Outer Lands, the issue of powering the nation is asked. With announcements that Plymouth plans to reopen a nuclear plant, the fact that a nuclear plant was built in the Safety Zone of Long Island gains supportive grounds. Around the same time, Delmarva announces plans to decommission and dismantling of their (unworkable) nuclear plants, and offers to help.


 * 1998 &mdash; The Federal Assembly of the Outer Lands votes in favor of opening the Shoreham plant. About 20% of Long Islanders (about 15-25% of all Outlanders) opposed the announcement. The act also creates OLLCO (the Outer Lands Lighting Company), a government-owned energy company which will run the plant and work on the energy infrastructure across the Outer Lands.


 * 1999 &mdash; After months of inspections and tests, it is determined that the Shoreham site (aside from minor damage) was usable, with no damage to crucial systems already in place (including the reactor, the turbines, and the cooling systems). Construction begins to complete any needed repairs on the plant. At the same time, repairs are made on the power grid across eastern Long Island.


 * 2000 &mdash; Construction is completed. Within the year, the first shipments of nuclear fuel travels into the Long Island Sound. By the end of the year, the reactor is turned on for low-level testing, with all signs looking good.


 * 2001 &mdash; After months of testing and retesting, the Outer Lands allows for the complete use of the plant. In November, the plant goes fully online, and Long Island is bathed in power for the first time in decades.


 * Other notes


 * Nantucket had its own power station prior to 1996.


 * Interesting notes (for me)


 * The cylindrical building (the most noted structure in the energy complex) is/was the for the reactor (not the cooling tower as I previously thought).


 * The power plant was designed to use the waters of the to cool the turbines and reactor. This is called a Once-Through system (OT), and thereby means that the Shoreham plant would not have used a noted cooling tower structure (as the heated water is recycled back into the Sound).


 * Links


 * LILCO PLANS SAFETY FILTER AT SHOREHAM
 * Long Island Ruins
 * LIPA explores new uses for Shoreham nuclear plant site
 * California moves to ban once-through cooling
 * Generic Environmental Impact Statement for License Renewal of Nuclear Plants
 * Types of Nuclear Reactors
 * BWR – Boiling Water Reactors
 * A look at the Shoreham nuke protest, 30 years later
 * Nuclear Power – Yes Please!

List of Dominions

 * Current


 * Flag of Acadia (Russian America).svg
 * Flag of Australia 1903-1909.svg
 * Flag of the Bahamas (1953-1964).png
 * Colonial Flag of Barbados(1955-66).svg
 * Flag.svg
 * Flag of Borealia (Russian America).svg
 * Flag of the United Kingdom.svg
 * 1946 Canadian flag proposal.svg
 * Flag of British Columbia.svg
 * Flag.svg
 * Flag of Hawaii.svg
 * Flag of Hong Kong (British Commonwealth).gif
 * Flag.svg
 * Flag.svg
 * Flag of Jamaica (1962).svg
 * Flag.svg
 * Leewardisl.gif
 * Flag.svg
 * Flag.svg
 * BlueEnsignNatal.png
 * Dominion of Newfoundland Red Ensign.svg
 * Flag of New Zealand.svg
 * Flag of the Falkland Islands.svg
 * Flag.svg
 * Trinidad colonial 1889-1958.gif
 * Flag of Western Australia.svg
 * Flag of the British Windward Islands (1903-1958).png


 * Potential


 * (probably)
 * (not sure)


 * Dependencies?

I am not too sure how the crown colonies and dependencies would act within the United Commonwealth. Either they are incorporated into the spheres of a dominions (much like in the case of New Zealand and others) or governed by a commonwealth-wide sense (a territory under its own control and not a dominion). I'd prefer the later (maybe with some say from neighboring dominions, but more under their say in comparison to OTL).


 * Britain


 * New Zealand
 * (potential dominion)
 * (potential dominion)
 * (potential dominion)


 * Patagonia (based on what seems appropriate, not fact)
 * (may be incorporated into the BAT)
 * (may be incorporated into the BAT)


 * Antarctica

The United Commonwealth would claim the Antarctic Peninsula in 1908 like OTL, but followed a few years later by New Netherland claiming Wilkes Land. Both nations eventually agree to define their claims, allowing both NN and the UC to expand their claims. The UC would claim all of Western Antarctica &mdash; including the Ross Dependency, Marie Byrd Land (which is unclaimed territory OTL), the British Antarctic Territory, and potentially Peter I Island (depending on how Denmark acts). Depending on how the UC organizes its crown colonies, this claim could either be one single entity (a "Britannic Antarctic Territory") or divided among the regional dominions (with New Zealand having the Ross Dependency and Patagonia gaining the BAT).

Random idea for Virginia
This is just a random idea I had for Virginia today, and it could tie in the election of Robert E. Lee as President of Virginia, as well as tie in a Civil War event in Virginia.

Despite having no North to bother them, Abolitionists would still have ground in many parts of Virginia (particularly in West[ern] Virginia and the counties bordering Canada and Pennsylvania), where slavery has little need and/or benefits for that particular reason (one of the many reasons West Virginia left OTL). Tensions would build up in these regions for decades, until a catalyst (maybe the election of a staunchly pro-slavery President) sparks secession in these regions of Virginia. These regions eventually unite in an attempted new nation ("Little Egypt"?; "West Virginia"?; "Vandalia"?), lead by abolitionist Abraham Lincoln (dun dun dun).

As one would expect, the rebels fail to gain international support, and would eventually be crushed out by Virginia, lead by General Robert E. Lee. Lincoln would flee into exile in Canada ("C.S.A." rip-off?), and maybe the pro-slavery President is assassinated, but would only end after years of civil war. Because of his heroism, Lee would eventually be elected President, where he also takes abolitionism seriously, and gradually moves Virginia out of slavery.

This is just a random idea, playing with the idea that Lincoln would be the rebel (because I doubt he would have been elected with a majority), allowing a Civil War to take place, and to explain and add to Lee's heroism here. I am not really taking this idea too seriously, but if it is workable, I may use it. Just an idea I had to get out.

Revamped
As LG has informed me, it would actually be more likely that an abolitionist would win the Presidency, leading to a pro-slavery rebellion (shows how much I know about Virginia). Anyway, here is a second version, thought it is not exactly as to what LG suggested.

Considering that Virginia (w/WV) and Kentucky voted for a third-party candidate in 1860, and that the issue and pride of moving slavery into the west would not be an issue, I would like to assume that abolitionists would have a much stronger say in western Virginia (i.e., Kentucky, Illinois, Indiana). With this, abolitionist Abraham Lincoln may be able to squeak into the Presidency, which would cause many pro-slavery counties in southern and southeastern Virginia to revolt (and maybe even seek secession as a last resort). Leading Virginia into civil war.

The rebellion would not stand a chance, in particular because of Robert E. Lee in command of the Virginian army. In fact, a certain battle flag may become an army standard for Virginia.

The Civil War would not last as long as OTL, but it would be enough to scare Virginians, and devastate the nation. Maybe to the point that an assassin takes aim at Lincoln (though Maryland born actor would probably not do it).

Because of his hero-status in Virginia, Robert E. Lee would rise to eventually become President, and would transform the country. He would move Virginia towards ending slavery, lead towards further industrialization, and (maybe) lead towards closer ties with Liberia (I read his wife helped "liberate slaves and fund their move" there). I would actually like to see Virginia maybe establish a protectorate over Liberia (since Virginia already had say there, just a way to add more say).

Let's try this again
The Commonwealth of Virginia is a vastly different entity then the states of OTL. With little pride to be held in the expansion of slavery westward, combined with the limited possibilities of slavery in the mountainous western portions of the nation, the gradual disfavoring of slavery would begin to grow over the generations. By the 1860s, a small move to bring change would gain strong ground in the west. One congressman would support change in Virginia, but would also start a war.

In the 1860s presidential election, Little Egypt representative would gain a close majority (mostly by westerners) to secure him the presidency. While only a sympathizer towards the abolitionism of slavery (not a major agenda on his part), the thought of his presidency caused stress in the pro-slavery counties across Virginia (mostly centered around the Atlantic Coast and the border regions with Carolina. Shortly before his inauguration, several of these counties secede from Virginia, in hopes of gaining sympathy for their rights, but leading to a years long civil war.

This civil war would not be as extensive as OTL, but would still be prolonged and devastating enough to bring stress among Virginians. The capital of would live in fear of invasion. Fears of outside intervention grow when it is revealed that many secessionists were attempting to gain Carolinian and possibly British support for their cause, leading to distrust and anger among Virginians.

Thought it would not be a worry, as Virginia had many players on her side that would assure the victory of the nation. Among these included Northern Virginian, would would rise up as one of Lincoln's trustworthy generals.

The war would end only several, long years later with a government victory, and the gradual fleeing of the rebel governments across the border into Carolina. Despite the good hopes of the future, Abraham Lincoln would become the first President to be assassinated, only a few short weeks after the end of the war.

The nation would gradually rebuild until the people elect Robert E. Lee as their new president in 1868. Much like Lincoln before, he too had goals of modernizing Virginia, but also a sympathy towards the abolition of slavery. While he early on just thought it would fall out of use, his time in the war would lead him to believe in pushing the end nearer.

Shortly after his election, Lee announces a plan which he calls the "Summerly Stroll", which is his program to bring a peaceful and calm move away from slavery. These include the provisions that all children now born of slaves would be free (but anyone prior would remain slaves virtually until their deaths), the end of Virginia's participation in the international slave trade (but still allowed within Virginia for an extended period of time)(which further stained relations with Carolina), education and encouragement for slave owners to free their slaves, and a move which which came as a surprise, a treaty with the African state of which declared Virginia to become a protector of the nation (making Liberia a protectorate).

The move towards Liberia held its roots in the works done by his Wife and Mother-in-Law. Both were supporters of Liberia, and helped fund the journey for freed slaves to be moved there. Lee's attitude towards this was about what most Virginian's favored. While the population was growing more abolitionist, there was little interest in allowing freed slaves to have equal rights. The idea towards moving them back to Africa was seen as a positive move by some, and Lee decided to encourage this.

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Pennsylvanian Federation
After the independence of Delaware and Pennsylvania in 1788, questions came up over the future of the two states. Delaware would obviously not last as an independent nation, with its future either being part of Pennsylvania, or being absorbed into Maryland.

Historically, Delaware was a "satellite colony" of Pennsylvania. This came about because Pennsylvania was the only colony to not have direct access to the Atlantic Ocean, but also under the desire of the Delaware colonists to not become part of the Catholic-dominated Maryland (seeing Pennsylvania's Quakers as the "lesser of two evils"). Not wanting to be completely merged into Pennsylvania, William Penn (the founder of PA) allowed the "Three Lower Counties" to retain their own assembly, but still were under the leadership of the Governor of Pennsylvania.

In 1776, Delaware officially became a separate state, with the blessing of Pennsylvania. In a federation, it would be okay. But with the end of the confederation, Delaware was stuck. In a similar boat, Pennsylvania also wanted to retain a coast on the Atlantic. The obvious solution was to reinstate the unification of Pennsylvania and Delaware. Willing to compromise, Pennsylvania agreed to the establishment of a federation between the two. The name "Commonwealth of Pennsylvania" would be retained as the name of the nation, with the region "Pennsylvania" adopting a new name (with Susquehanna becoming popular).

During this constitutional convention, another question arose: should "Pennsylvania" be further divided into new states? The main supporters of this idea came from the Wyoming Valley (populated by settlers from Connecticut) and the Ohio Valley (populated by settlers from Virginia). Both regions requested to become their own states to the Congress of the Confederation, with both being ignored. Now independent, the two regions attempted again.

The main drive that eventually lead to the formation of Pennsylvania as a federation of (initially) three states and a massive territory came from the events of the ongoing. Pro-New England Vermont was fighting for their independence from New York. This gained some sympathy from the once Connecticut settlers in the Wyoming Valley, who only recently had agreed on a deal to end between Pennsylvania and the settlers. There was some fear in Philadelphia that these settlers may attempt to gain sympathy and maybe even aid from New England. On the other side, the settlers were primarily hoping to gain more regional say.

In 1790, an agreement was finalized, ending with the recognition of Pennsylvania as a federation of three states: Delaware, Susquehanna, and Wyoming. The remaining territory would become separate from the three states, and would be open for future states to come in (with Westsylvania being the first years down the line).

State ideas

 * Defined state ideas


 * Susquehanna
 * Susquehanna
 * Susquehanna


 * Work-in-progress state ideas


 * "Allegheny" &mdash; OTL Northwestern Pennsylvania.
 * "Columbus" &mdash; OTL Central/Northern Ohio.
 * "Dutchland" (c/s) &mdash; OTL Central/Southern Pennsylvania.
 * "Elk" (c/s) &mdash; OTL Central/North Pennsylvania
 * "Tuscarawas" &mdash; OTL Central/East Ohio.

POD for 13FS
I recently watched the Ultimate Guide to the Presidents on the History Channel, and I got somewhat an inspiration for a defined POD for 13 Fallen Stars. It combines a chain of events that lead to the end of the Articles of Confederation, and the rise of the six nations that would develop out of it.

The main quote that got me excited was about how the office and election of the Presidency would be handled.


 * "... tension among the delegates was still high over who would be the first to hold the office. The question threatened to doom the convention until George Washington agreed to run."

Knowing that Washington retired to his plantation after the revolution (being persuaded to attend the convention and eventually the presidency), and knowing he resisted the calls to become a dictator; this may be the most logical course to go.

The POD (more or less)
When asked to attend the Constitutional Convention in 1787, General George Washington was unpersuaded to do so. Instead, he remained retired to his home at,.

Not considered a major requirement, the convention starts without him. Other candidates come forward (potentially including Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and maybe Benjamin Franklin's name got put into the mix). However, non of these men had the same national recognition as did Washington, lead to concerns over how much power the presidency should have. To top it off, the political differences between Jefferson and Adams (which in OTL eventually lead to the first political parties) would emerge more vigorously here, further dividing the delegation.

By October, the convention ends with no agreement on a new constitution. There were some hopes that a new convention would take place the following year (since the Articles of Confederation were still intact), it would soon turn sour. More opinions among the state leadership fear what the Confederation could become (as evident by some in the convention). The inevitable happened in November, when Governor of  is able to persuade the state government to declare secession from the Articles of Confederation. The news shocked the Confederation, and would lead to more states seceding. Rhode Island followed a few weeks later, followed by North Carolina, and ultimately Virginia by December.

By March 1788, only Delaware, Georgia, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania remained solid to the Confederation. But as the union fell, so did support for the Articles of Confederation. On March 24, 1788; the four remaining states agreed to void the Articles, ending the United States of America. The following years would be turbulent in the former union. Maryland and Virginia are the only states to remain a single nation, with the remaining states uniting into Carolina, New England, New Netherland, and Pennsylvania.

Ironically, Washington would eventually agree to come out of retirement to become the first President of Virginia, persuaded to defend his new nation. In another irony, the Articles of Confederation would eventually inspire the basis for the United Britannic Commonwealth.

Spain in 13
Despite no Napoleonic Wars, Spain's control on much of her colonies would only be prolonged for a short time. By the 1880s, much of Spanish America would win independence in a series of revolutions.


 * Independent Spanish Colonies


 * (western USA)
 * (northern Chile)
 * "Ecuador" (maybe merged into New Granada or Peru?)
 * (Central America and Yucatan)
 * (Colombia and Panama)
 * (Mexico)
 * (Peru)
 * (northern Argentina, Bolivia, Paraguay, and Uruguay)
 * (Venezuela and western Guyana)


 * Spanish territories from OTL


 * Parts of Morocco
 * Parts of Morocco


 * Potentially remaining Spanish territories



Flags for New Netherland's states
{{legend|lightgreen|Good (not replacing)}} {{legend|lightblue|Neutral (may or may not replace)}} {{legend|pink|Bad (needs to be replace)}}

New infobox for the states of New Netherland

 * Populations are based on OTL, and will be altered to express a larger population and internal migrations.

Louisiana for 13
This will be expanded later, but I found this and need to write it for later research.

With my original idea for Canada likely to be gone soon, I take some comfort that at the very least, my idea would still work for Louisiana (I do hope that is what you meant by "Louisiana would work as a destination, though, for revolutionaries" [I assume you will be reading this, LG]).

In the short, Louisiana wins independence as a French-speaking republic. But with the loss of Canada, and a recent find, I may alter the timeline on when they gain independence. My original idea was around the late 1830s/early '40s (around the same time as the Mackenzie Rebellion in Canada). Now I may be looking towards the late 1810s/early '20s.

My reasoning involves enough lag for fleeing revolutionaries from France to enter Louisiana, it corresponds (more or less) to when the the other Latin American revolutions would be taking place (which all fail here, excluding Carolina's gains in the Floridas).

I also came across someone who may be a potential leader towards independence. was Governor of Louisiana OTL, as well as serving in the French army. His father (who was also a general) was executed by the new Spanish government, and played a minor role during the War of 1812. He might be an interesting figure to look further into.

Tsars of Russia
This is a lit of Tsars of Russia for this timeline. I have no idea where the initial author of this timeline came up with many of the monarchies/leaders for this timeline, but most seem completely wrong in many respects. For now, let me look at Russia.

The Russian Empire would remain in ATL. Without the chaos of the French Revolution, most in Russia (including the nobility and many Tsars) would favor reform. Today, the Empire is a constitutional monarchy, with the Tsar acting more as a figurehead (with the Parliament/Duma and a Prime Minister being elected and run by the people).


 * OTL


 * (1762-1797)
 * (1797-1801): most likely still assassinated
 * (1801-1825): no Napoleonic Wars
 * (1825): disputed reign
 * (1825-1855)
 * (1855-1881): liberal Tsar, assassinated
 * (1881-1894)
 * (1894-1917): last Tsar
 * (1917): disputed, most likely to succeed due to condition


 * Notes


 * Catherine the Great was both for and against liberalism during her reign. In fact, she kept Russian troops out of the American Revolution (despite pleas from George III) in somewhat support for the Americans, but also to keep liberal views from her people. She would completely renounce liberalism after the chaos of the French Revolution. In ATL, she would most likely remain on the fence.


 * Constantine I renounced his position to become Tsar. Most likely, this would remain the case, and the would probably still happen. His brother Nicholas I takes the throne.


 * Alexander II was a noted reformer of Russia. He abolished serfdom in the empire and had plans to adopt a constitutional monarchy. With the chaos of the Napoleonic Wars not happening, much of Russian society would probably be for this, so he would not be assassinated (or at least not like OTL). His reign would be a bit longer, and his son Alexander III would succeed him (as OTL). Depending on how his father's reforms take, Alexander III's reign may be neutral (no real reforms, but not abandoning them as OTL) or somewhat encouraged.


 * Nicholas II would not be overthrown as OTL. With his son most likely not being fit (or alive) to rule, his brother Micheal should be the obvious successor. Though he may also not be ruler, given that he didn't want it (and even married to assure he was removed). Other successors may be (a cousin) and  (oldest daughter).


 * ATL List


 * (1762-1797)
 * (1797-1801)
 * (1801-1825)
 * (1825-1831)
 * (1831-1855)
 * (1855-1881)
 * (1881-1894)
 * (1894-1930)
 * (1930-1944)
 * (1944-1983)
 * Sergey I (1982-2009)
 * Cyril I (2009-Present)

The American Republics and the British


For a while now, I have been trying to organize what the relationships between the American Republics (the former United States of America) and the British would be like. With the recent addition of Canada as a dominion (from what I had previously), I feel it should be appropriate to lay out my thoughts on the matter.

The obvious two categories would be those who have good relations, and those with bad relations. I have no doubt that by today (and throughout the 20th Century, if not earlier) all the American Republics would have good relations with the contemporary United Commonwealth. This primarily discusses relations in the 18th and 19th Centuries, and how they evolved into what they are today.


 * Carolina


 * Maryland


 * New England


 * New Netherland

I believe that would have strained relations with the British throughout much of the 19th Century. Much of this would come from resentment of British occupation of the New York City region during the Revolutionary War, and a move to establish themselves as a distinctive region (this includes the adoption of "Netherland" in their name).

Though for the most part, much of this anti-British feel would not be centered around them, but one of their biggest allies: New England. Albany's relations with Boston would be highly strained after the Vermont War &mdash; in which New York lost Vermont and their claims to the disputed Northwestern Territory. While the British had no real part in the Vermont War, the British would gain much of the blame (especially since NN's claim to the NWT did end up being British in the end).

New Netherland's growing power within North America would eventually lead to better relations. After the completion of the Erie Canal and the failed revolt in Canada; the British looked to have good relations with New Netherland for economic and security reasons.

Relations would begin to get positive by the 1880s. New Netherland money and industry is used to help build up British North America (including the first Transcontinental Railway from Canada to Colombia). New Netherland's growing global power and their own moves towards imperialism gained little opposition form the British, leading to territorial compromises.

Today, New Netherland and the United Commonwealth are the two dominant powers in the Americas.


 * Pennsylvania


 * Virginia

New Netherlander explorers

 * (maybe)
 * (maybe)


 * (potential)
 * (potential)

New Netherlander presidential election, 2014
With the 2012 election over and done with, I find myself (as well as many others) interested in 2016 and who would succeed Barack Obama. I have also been looking at 13 Fallen Stars in a similar light, and looking at who would become the next president of New Netherland. Their next election will take place in 2014, with incumbent being barred from serving a second term. While this is fun in one sense, I find any predictions to be in an extraordinary good position, as three prominent "New Netherlanders" have been placed as potential candidates in 2016.


 * &mdash; Governor of New York (OTL) since 2011, Cuomo has been an early Democratic candidate (as I can remember). Among many notes of his governorship include legalizing same sex marriages in New York, tackled corruption, and has cut spending. Another key for him ATL would be his father,, who has served as President of New Netherland.


 * &mdash; Governor of New Jersey (OTL) since 2010, Christie has a unique following in the Republican Party. Known for his charismatic attitude and bipartisan cooperation (especially during Hurricane Sandy in 2012). However he is also known for vetoing same sex marriage in New Jersey, issues with his weight, and has become shunned within the GOP (due to his moderate views).


 * &mdash; Governor of Florida (OTL) from 1999 until 2007, Bush is a recent contender for 2016 (but has gotten a lot of credibility). His moves for education and immigration reforms would probably stem good in New Netherland. The only weakness to his candidacy is the "sins" of his father (President ) and younger brother (President ) &mdash; both of which were Presidents of New Netherland &mdash; who would most likely have similar "sins" ATL.

Dutch Empire in 13


Given that the Napoleonic Wars are avoided, and imperialism remains in tact, the Dutch Empire would evolve more unified. Much like the Kingdom of the Netherlands OTL, the Netherlands of 13 Fallen Stars would (more or less) act as a single nation. Each "country" would retain sovereign rights, but all would be united in a common parliament, currency, foreign policy, monarchy, etc. (see ).


 * Members


 * (Sri Lanka) &mdash; Was ceased by the British after the French-occupation of the Netherlands. No occupation, Dutch continued possession?
 * /"Wild Coast" (Suriname) &mdash; Would include half of Guyana.
 * "" (Indonesia) &mdash; Given that British India is divided into separate dominions, and Indonesians also sought the division of the colony, maybe the Dutch see no problem with creating separate entities within Indonesia.
 * (Cape Colony)
 * "Netherlands" (Netherlands)


 * Indonesian states?


 * Borneo/Kalimantan
 * Java (w/Lesser Sunda Islands?)
 * Sulawesi (w/Maluku Islands)
 * Sumatra
 * Sumatra