User talk:Arstarpool



Changes
Alex, welcome to the wiki. I saw your changes on the WCRB Southern U.S. article and undid them. I wanted to explain why. It's not that they weren't good suggestions, but the article is intended to be the text of a historical document in the 1983: Doomsday timeline. It wouldn't be updated like you and I update articles on this wiki. That said, the document is going to be wrong in some areas, incomplete in others, and that's fine. I wrote the article as a guide for editors like yourself to use in creating scenarios, and in TTL it showed what was known of the region at the time it was written last fall. Updating it to reflect newly discovered nations would be unrealistic for TTL; the WCRB probably will publish updates on a regular basis, but won't constantly revise the main article. To your changes: 1. please write up the Conch Republic as a proposal...and do one separately for Key West (if they're not one and the same) 2. I estimated 90 percent of people having died on Doomsday in America, but that could be too high of a number; 80 or even 70 percent might be closer to the truth 3. You might want to make sure Key West wouldn't have gotten hit by nukes, or covered with radiation and fallout from the south Florida and Cuban blasts...I'd like to read your ideas on how the region made it through, and got to 10,000 people 4. The Cubans discovered the Coke formula (which was canon long before I started here, so I rolled with it when I wrote the WCRB article), and I see no reason to have Mexicans test it... --BrianD 06:11, March 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * You've clarified well the Coke/Cuba issue. I don't remember the editor who created the Cuba article and wrote the Coca-Cola item into Cuba's history; I can only guess he was ignorant (as was I) that Coca-Cola was not distributed in any manner in Cuba. One possible solution is that as Cuba makes contact with other Caribbean and Central American nations in the 80s and 90s, some people from those countries join the exploration team (places where Coke was sold), and they confirm the taste...but Cuba ends up getting the credit. I'm fine with 80 percent, but I would ask you to run that by the other editors on the timeline. I might revise that number down further, too. Alex, again, welcome to the blog and I hope that I myself have come across well in my responses. Thank you for your contributions and for your clarifications! BrianD 07:12, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

Florida
As a fellow Floridian would you like to work on the Everglades survivor nation together? I already started a proposal for it. --GOPZACK 03:01, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Great, I called it the. I was thinking the borders could be as follows. --GOPZACK 03:08, March 17, 2010 (UTC)



I agree that it should contain more territory in the everglades but some of it will be uninhabitable due to the strikes on Homestead. Plus those cites on the coast would have survived so it's most plausible that people there would band together as one to survive. --GOPZACK 03:36, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Isent it time for South Florida to spread, I mean I think some people might of lived around Tampa and Miami from the nuked, and what about the Keys, were they nuked, I was trying to see if they got destroyed...I was thinking about making a some type of republic and then trying to reunite all of Florida, with your help and GOPZACK, I am also new at this and I'm trying to learn. Perryz101 04:38, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Yes I see...I will try and learn, and I will work on the story on North Florida, thanks I think I will enjoy this wiki.Perryz101 05:48, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking of somthing, maybe sending recon missions into the Tampa and Miami areas and finding if some type of order is in the area and maybe get the people to join South Florida.Perryz101 02:57, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

I had already written something on Tampa and Miami, and yes there are very small communities there. Please read through the Republic of South Florida arcticle and you will see what is on those areas. Arstarpool 03:08, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Would you like South and North Florida to have some type of contact with each other??Perryz101 03:10, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

How about this: In two days real time On April 10, 2010, recon groups from South Florida will be sailing through the Gulf, near North Florida, where they run into a band of fishers who claim to be from The Repubic of North Florida. Sound good to you? Arstarpool 03:14, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good.Perryz101 03:18, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Rome
Sure I'd love to help! Thank you for the opportunity. I'm going to do some research into the suburbs of Rome & I'll get back to you with a few ideas. What ideas do you have? GOPZACK 20:18, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

If I were you I'd look into a survior nation in these areas.

I actually just did some work on it. I've just been on the sidelines letting you fill it out for a bit. --GOPZACK 00:35, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Indiana revert
Thanks for the revert. I worked hard making those changes to help the "Newbie" get his article half-way presentable. He is no writer. But he wants to put a good face on his home state. SouthWriter 06:08, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Your welcome to reverting the changes. I would have marked this on your talk page, but seeing that he frequents your talk page like your his momma bird, I would not want him to get offended. "Newbie", however, is not the case, its the individual. While the rest of the "newbies" have worked towards becoming significant members of the site, Perryz has continued to have this attitude thinking that everything is alright in this wiki. For example, the very first article he made was "North Florida" stating it will be temporary until " we unite all of Florida". This was on his first day, mind you, and he thinks we are reuniting thousands of square miles in days. While I do not want to be the bully of the playground, I will state that he is ignorant, and continues to act like we are going to pop all of our little countries together any minute now. He does this again with his Indiana article, like when he wants the counties annexed by Kentucky to become "hoosiers" again. What he doesn't get though, is that other people beat him to the punch and claimed whatever he wanted first, so he comes up what in his eyes is a solution, which is usually making an article like North Florida (which I cannot believe is about to become canon). While it is none of my buisness, he seems to be kid, judging by the way he spells, and that should not be an excuse for him. If you need help getting his little articles in order, I'm free to help. Arstarpool 06:30, May 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks again. I am trying to give Perry the benefit of doubt in Indiana, since he is from there. I try not to change the meaning of his statements, but just expand them a little to add coherence. Somethings I do change things without specifically asking, like changing a threatened "excommunication" by Baptists to losing one's spot on the deacon board. I am a deacon in a Presbyterian church (not quite the same, but I know how church leadership works). I also differenciated between Independent Baptists and Convention-associated ones. I know how both work, having family ties with both.


 * With North Florida, it is a combination of my editing and Zack's continued interest with the article that has kept that alive. Perry decided that he did not know enough about Florida to continue working on that one. Back to Indiana, I think he might be able to build an article based on a city-state around Lafayette with what he knows, but he doesn't understand what this timeline is all about.


 * You're certainly welcome to go over there and clean up some grammar, and make suggestions on improving things. It will free me up to do a little work on the states in the PUSA. Have you seen what I did with Montana? I am working on the revised Constitution on the PUS article right now. SouthWriter 19:15, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Commonwealth of California
I marked it as obsolete based on comments on the article's talk page and the fact that there was support for its obsoletion on the main talk page. If you feel it still has a chance that is fine, I even reinstated the proposal template (the already has a process in place for situations when someone wants to revitalize an obsolete article). Good luck. Mitro 22:27, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * First off, I already did change it back to a proposal so I am not sure why we are still having this conversation. Second off, I followed the same procedure that has always been used when marking an article obsolete. Seeing that more than one user doubted the plausibility of the article on it's talk page, I moved to mark it as obsolete on the main talk page. After waiting a significant amount of time, and receiving a vote in support of marking it obsolete from another user, I placed the obsolete template on it. Where were you and Yank when this was happening? Both of you have used the main talk page before, did you not notice it? If either of you had spoke up when this was happening we would not have been having this conversation in the first place. Learning from this experience I will probably in the future contact an article's creator when I move to mark an article as obsolete. The fact of the matter is you your article is a proposal again, but I reccomend paying more attention to the main talk page more in case anyone has any comments or questions for your articles. Mitro 00:21, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Wisconsin
You have my permission to adopt the article. However, I ask that you keep to what is stated in the history of the Republic of Superior, and also to what I had planned in the discussion page of the Wisconsin article. Other than that you have free reign. Lahbas 04:15, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Population of South Florida
Zack and I spent a long time discussing the population of South Florida, with input from both South and Loius (South was the one who suggested a number between 50k and 100k). It was agreed that the most plausible population was 86k, you can see some of the discussion in the archives and the South Florida talk page. The article was graduated with that population level and I don't see why it should just be unilaterally changed just because you disagree. If you feel it should be changed, start a discussion and build some consensus. Mitro 01:53, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

North Florida
I noticed your comments on Perryz101's page. I just want to say that I think North Florida is still a viable nation. I agree with you that they will never reunited but as two separate nations they can still coexist and be friendly neighbours with a trade deal or something. Me and SouthWriter are still "cleaning up" the article when we can. I noticed your edit to the "Foreign Relations" section & I thank you for it. Your welcome to help us reform it further. If you'd like to make a major change mention it on my page, South's or the talk page. --GOPZACK 18:38, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Perryz101 abandoned the article. Me and SouthWriter took over after he left it for the Indiana article. Preeyz no longer has the power to wield such authority. Furthermore the article has not "outlived its usefulness". Were still working on it. Your welcome to join us in restoring it. --GOPZACK 17:06, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

I renamed it the "Republic of Gainesville" seeing as that is its capital. As for changing South Florida's name, is that really necessary?

Help
Hi Arstapool i write you to ask you if you can help me creating articles and expanding my new article Balkanized North America VENEZUELA 01:34, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Netherlands Antilles
If you make radical changes to an article in the Doomsday timeline, could you, in accordance with the QSS principle, at the very least discuss them first and give some valid reasons for the change? --Karsten vK (talk) 16:52, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, eliminating Spanish as an official language, thereby contradicting the language section of the article, seems a fairly radical move to me for one. On another note, I'd say it would have been a sign of good manners to contact the original author of an article before claiming to have adopted it. --Karsten vK (talk) 17:14, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I can understand where the misunderstanding stems from, but Xi only created it as a placeholder. I am the original author of the article. --Karsten vK (talk) 17:34, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Since this is a wiki, nobody owns an article and therefore, neither do I. I'd say overseer or supervisor would be better terms. Regardless, the concept comes down to pretty much the same thing. I don't object to people contributing to the articles I've written, but I would like to known about it and have the ability to discuss it first. In short: What were your plans with the article? --Karsten vK (talk) 17:51, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, well what you should keep in mind here is that there are some marked differences between Portugal and the Netherlands Antilles. The most obvious one being that, whereas the Portuguese government on the Azores is a true 'government in exile', the government as located in Willemstad is that of a wholly different country that has only adopted the legal legacy of the Kingdom of The Netherlands, but may not even be all that genuinely interested in the fate of the former motherland. The second noticeable difference is of a demographic nature. The Azores and Madeira (and to a lesser extent arguably even Cape Verde) are inhabited by people who talk, look and behave Portuguese. The Netherlands Antilles are inhabited by people who don't generally look Dutch (in a post-Doomsday crisis environment, I don't think one should underestimate narrow-minded racism), don't behave like those remaining Dutchmen and lastly, hardly ever speak the country's language any-more. This, I guess, would mean that, where the Azoreans et al. would be greeted as countrymen coming to restore civil order, the Antillians might very well be taken as foreign occupiers bent on some kind of opposite-direction colonialism. I don't deem it unlikely that attempts by Willemstad to create a permanent presence in the former motherland would meet with violent opposition, especially from Friesland and North Germany which hold onto the two northernmost provinces (perhaps an initial, failed, diplomatic mission to Friesland to become a constituent part of the Kingdom could be included). It'd probably be not be unlikely that a costly operation like this would, under domestic pressure, be aborted once it turns out that the Antillians are not really wanted. In short; I think a section on Antillian presence in the Low Countries would be a nice addition to the article, but that it cannot be fully be brought at par with Portugal since the circumstances are to a great extent different from it. --Karsten vK (talk) 08:37, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Gainesville
Thanks for fixing the media section, some of the crap from when Perry was in charge remains. I don't mean to be rude but for any future changes please make note of them in the talk page first. As for the population I'm going to talk to South about that, he's done some brilliant work in that area. --GOPZACK 03:59, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Costa Rica
What are you planning to do with it? I've done a lot with Costa Rica and have been writing news updates from time to time. I wouldn't mind you enriching our coverage of Costa Rica, but I would be uncomfortable if you took it in some kind of surprising direction. I'm not saying "Stay away!" - only that CR is a creation I'm still actively involved in, not one I consider "finished" (like, say, Micronesia). Benkarnell 15:51, May 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * So are you going to go ahead? What ideas do you have? Benkarnell 22:27, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

New Rome
Hi Arstapool; this isn't a really important post, but I just felt like pointing out something - you said in your discussion over New Rome that 'the guy who wrote Essex' created New London. I didn't; that was dreamt up by the creators of the Celtic Alliance, and separate from the disparate (and almost entirely unpopulated) territories Essex has in East London. As I said, totally unimportant, but I just felt like, er, clearing my name, so to speak. Fegaxeyl 16:19, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Tuscany/Georgia
Ok, so it's OK if you adopt it if am written as a caretaker (and on Tuscany too.) Thank you:

Fedelede 01:05, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Also, would you like to help me on my TL, Divided Italy?

Astarpool, you can add whatever you like on Divided Italy as long as it isn't spamful Fedelede 02:54, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Respect
I would ask kindly that you would treat new contributors with some respect. It is after all one of the fundamental issues we were debating earlier. They may have some strange ideas but don't crush their souls outright, give them a chance offer them advice don't immediately demonize them. --GOPZACK 01:10, June 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes I was referencing the Sunkist incident. As for Ocelot I agree with you and these three others that he should be banned.


 * I just find it ironic and I suppose a tad hypocritical that you say "DO NOT ACT LIKE AN ADMIN" in a rather rude fashion right after you claim that you do treat people with respect. Not to mention that now your acting like an administrator the way your flaunting power you do not have.


 * I never once claimed to be an administrator and as far as I know Brian is not one either. I have however been here longer then you have and for the collective good of the community have been trying to maintain a degree of order around here. When the Ocelot's of this wiki pop up we'll deal with them but if someone unfamiliar with the workings of this timeline makes a proposal its best to try work with them in a constructive and respectful manner. I'm glad you've worked things out with Sunkist but you did leave a pretty shitty first impression.


 * One the subject of flaunting power, I'd say you the one flaunting imaginary power. Your like hitler during the final days of World War 2 moving around all these divisions on the map that are nothing but fantasies or gross exaggerations of ragtag units. Your handling of your California article also leaves a lot to be desired as well.


 * All in all I'm glad that you intend to show a little more respect to the "newbies" as you call them. --GOPZACK 04:32, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

You accuse me of being this evil administrator yet I do not do three of the four things you just listed. What I meant by that and perhaps I did not make myself clear is that your heavy handed orders that I ought to stop "acting like an admin".

As for the California article you demand that the borders of Serra Nevada, an article created well before yours that is already locked in a bitter territorial dispute with Utah, so your article could "fit". We don't run a "me me me! Whats best for me!?" system here. We run things consensus not on what the "Newbies" (which quite frankly you still are) want. --GOPZACK 20:27, June 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * It has been stated that non administrators have the power to graduate articles. In fact, we are all technically equal just some have the power to block people and such. Still I think your making a much ado about nothing over this issue. All I asked that you treat those who are newer then you with a little respect. I was hoping you'd understand but clearly thats not the case.


 * You can be here longer then other newbies and still be a newbie. Also you seem to take offence to the word "newbie" as if you claim copyright over it. --GOPZACK 22:54, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

East Caribbean Federation
If you have any problems with the East Caribbean Federation article raise them in the talk page don't just arbitrarily change it. GOPZACK 22:58, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi, I created an article call Kuban People Republic but I dint' put (1983: Doomsday) in the name how may I or you put it? Please, Answer. Thanks VENEZUELA 01:46, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! Arstapool VENEZUELA 01:48, June 8, 2010 (UTC) jajaja gracias

I have another question, how do I put the small flag like in a list? (like in your user page) thanks.

Georgia
Georgia (caucasus) is still on adoption, because I would like to adopt it. VENEZUELA 02:17, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Venezuela, I offered that to Astarpool... and he adopted it. I don't know if he put it on adoption again, but if I know, my adoption offer is closed... Fedelede 02:21, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Arstapool thank you! may I eliminate the Caucasus Alliance and created the seceding republics like Ossetia? VENEZUELA 02:23, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Anthem
Sorry to ask, but what is the tune of South Florida's anthem, is it the same as the US, it would seem very close.---Sunkist- 19:17, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

USSR and GEORGIA
Hi Arstapool, I change the Georgia article and propose some ex-ussr republics in the 1983 talk pages. VENEZUELA 00:08, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Cornwall
Hey, I was thinking of a nation in England, Cornwall and Plymouth, Ive looked over and over again if these sites were nuked, none I have found. If you would like to help me on this project, please tell me.---Sunkist- 03:57, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Seems like alot of culture in the Cornish people, and seeing that it would be the majority ethnic group in both Cornwall and Devon, it would be somthing of the Cornish Language.---Sunkist- 04:11, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking, "An Republic Kernow" in Cornish, or in English. "The Republic Of Cornwall".---Sunkist- 04:23, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Fixed.---Sunkist- 05:46, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Plymouth was destroyed, HMNB Devonport, gotta cut this city out.---Sunkist- 05:58, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Caucasus
Hi Arstapool, may you help my with the Caucasus countries in 1983? please. VENEZUELA 20:32, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Georgia, Azerbaijan, and you may create Armenia. VENEZUELA 21:07, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Adopting articles
FYI, the state that we usually wait until an editor has been missing for 3 months before we try adopting their article(s). Navi was recently active on May 30 so his articles really do not apply under the current guidelines. Granted it doesn't hurt to ask, but its likely that editors who are still active will not look kindly on someone trying to "adopt" their articles. -Mitro
 * I know you messaged Navi, my message was in regards to that message. As I stated we usually assume that active editors will not give up their articles for adoption, hence why I suggested you should only ask editors to adopt their articles after a long period of inactivity. In the past some editors have become irritated when others asked to adopt their articles, even though they were still actively working on them. It was only a friendly warning. -Mitro

New Article
Hi Arstapool have you seen my new articles? VENEZUELA 21:37, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

In which ones? VENEZUELA 21:41, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

World Heritage Sites
Hello, Arstapool, about the thing of the "UNESCO": the number of sites of each country is of how much the country have, not about how much powerful it is, Lebanon has all the ones in the "UNESCO" that have in OTL the same with Venezuela, and this is an alternate history in which you can add more sites to a country than the OTL country have. And also please add some in Australia andAfrica and maybe Europe with their photos in the galleries, thank you. VENEZUELA 20:29, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Arstaropool thak you for adding some sites in Asia! VENEZUELA 01:00, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

South American World
I deleted South American World, and I change it to Perez Jimenez's Venezuela, in which I glorify Venezuela, but in a form in which could happened in OTL, with dictator Perez Jimenez, here I put you 3 links for knowing more about him and Venezuela at the time:

A Time Magazine From 1955

A video

A video

Arstarpool have you already seen my timeline, what do you think?VENEZUELA 00:47, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Hey I create a new article which have countries and I want to put the flag but small like in your user page, and it's dificult so may you put some, please, the article is 1968 Olympic Games. VENEZUELA 02:32, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Delmarva
If you've taken over from FX on this article, could I help you with it? I'm a resident of Northern VA, and know a lot about the Cheseapeake area. BoredMatt 22:12, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

K dude, thanks. I'll wait for FX though, I dont wanna piss him off.