Talk:Axis vs Allies: Reloaded (Map Game)

Negotiations.
This is the area where SAACP-CNAT negotations can begin.

I will start it off, I guess. Poland (and the rest of CNAT possibly) will be at peace with the Loyalists if the following are followed

Venezuela is divided into two: the top part a Commmunist government with the support of CNAT, while the South partis Fascist, or whatever SAACP makes

Columbia and Brazil stop interfering with Communist activities in South America. No funding of rebels in SAACP nations, or CNAT nations, unless at war. There is to be a demiltarizied zone at the border of the newly created Venezulan nations No one is to be blamed for the Venezuelan civil war, however Brazil must accept blame for declaring war on the USSR Communist parties in any elections, if any, cannot be stopped from particapating in the elections.

I think this is a good treaty. Any SAACP responses We will accept CNAT backed regime in South America but as a condition the draft 2 is to be accepted as the territory distribution, and all CNAT forces withdraw from south America, and like expressed earlier there be future posibilities of unifying all of Venezuela under the rule of one flag<

Turns
We only have 1 turn per day. It starts at 00:00:01 UTC, or 7:00 pm Eatern, 6:00 pm Central, and 2:00 pm Western Time (USA). PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 01:05, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

You might want to change rule #4 on the main page then.JonAllenMichael 16:15, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

United Nations.
According to the rules, the UN is supposed to be created between 1945 and 1947. Who is going to make it. Also, lets say a group of nations work in their own alliance, can this alliance make rules for it's member states. For instance, lets say "the Pro Dictatorship Alliance just made a law that all member-states ban guns" sort of thing. TacoCopper 23:26, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

It'll be about the same thing as before. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 23:34, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, Thanks.TacoCopper 23:44, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Result
Germany victorious, annexation of Egypt into Germany. Due to the closeness of the result, it would take an year to conquer Egypt, and deal with resistance.

Discussion
Germany already deployed forces to Egypt by boat an few years back. Enclavehunter 23:52, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Result
Blockade against Germany is broken.

Discussion
Since this an user vs user battle, please correct if I did something wrong. Enclavehunter 03:09, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

New Granada invasion of Ecuador
Need help with the algorithim here

Nukes
could sombody tell me what order we're supposed to get nukes?Wegscuba 00:35, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

If I remember right it is:

Draycos 04:36, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Britain and Germany Ceasefire

 * Location: 2
 * Tatical Advantage: 0
 * Strength: 6
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 9
 * Stability: 5
 * Total: 27
 * Location: 5
 * Tatical Advantage: 3
 * Strength: 0
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 4
 * Total: 22


 * Location: 4
 * Tatical Advantage: 2
 * Strength: 6
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 7 (used random.org)
 * Stability: 5
 * Alliances: 12
 * Total: 46
 * Location: 2
 * Tatical Advantage: 1
 * Strength: 9
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 4 (used random.org)
 * Stability: 5
 * Alliances: 12
 * Total: 38
 * Russia/Poland 1944.6

Discussion
This treaty is unfair to Germany. If Britain is going to keep their land in China, Germany should be able to keep there land in Egypt.

Germany must withdraw from all of Egypt, however, it will pay for the war reparations (and Germany's as well).


 * 1) USA 1946
 * 2) Japan 1947.6
 * 3) United Kingdom 1949
 * 4) All Others 1961.6

Germany will withdrawal from Egypt (but keep the Sinia Peninsula and Alexandria). Germany will pay for the repairs of Egypt, and an five-year repartition to rebuild the units lost due to German actions.Britain and Germany sign an six-year non-agression pact to keep the ceasefire together.

Germany will not withdraw from Egypt, because if Britain can keep China, then Germany keeps Egypt. However, Germany will pay for the rapitions. The Neatherlands must also stay out of German territory, as the Facist regime is gone. Enclavehunter 19:37, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Decolonization
Around now in history, the U.K, France, and Europe was giving independence to its bigger colonies. Should India, Dutch East Indies, and French Algeria get Independce? Swollow

We'll follow the decolonization timeline- Libya is next, in 1951. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 00:09, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Austrian and Hungarian Unification Talks
Austria would like to unite with with Hungary to form the Austro-Hungarian Democratic Republic, which would have a constiution much like the the United States of Americas. DeanSims 18:44, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Cold War
I see an Cold War brewing in the not so future. Am I the only one who sees it. Enclavehunter 02:33, February 15, 2012 (UTC) No, I've seen it coming for a while now. Five differant nations with Nukes, three world political party (four if you count the UN), and minor wars breaking out over globe. Yeah say we are all ready there. Draycos 02:38, February 15, 2012 (UTC) Looks like WWII will start soon too. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 02:39, February 15, 2012 (UTC) we definitley are in an Axis/CNAT cold war. Wegscuba 21:23, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Space Programs
Should the mods have a vote on who puts a man in space first?Wegscuba 21:23, February 15, 2012 (UTC) I say so too but if the only two are joint CNAT and Axis Programs, send them up at the same time. if I'm correct, the axis and Japan are the only two trying to send a man to space. Germany trying to launch an sattelite. Enclavehunter 03:09, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

We don't want a space shuttel going up in 1958, or Mongolia detonating an a-bomb in 1952, like on AvAr.82.2.79.169 17:40, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

Result
How in the (excuse my French) hell did Britain just launch an nuke at Havana. It's too far out of range, and the only way back then to transport an nuke was by bomber. Enclavehunter 03:19, February 17, 2012 (UTC) First off I have know clue to how they did it. Second aren't you thr German player. Draycos I guess britian sent a bomber from jamacia, or something Wegscuba 04:29, February 17, 2012 (UTC) Yes, I'm the German Player. I'm just wondering. Enclavehunter 04:33, February 17, 2012 (UTC) You know what, let's pretend this did not happen! RandomWriterGuy 21:01, February 17, 2012 (UTC) Probably a good idea Wegscuba 03:14, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Result
Greece barely gets a foothold in russia.

Discussion
my reason for invading russia isn't political, but strategical. If the attack fails, then my soverignity will be threatened. I dont think that only the USSR will be invovled in this defence of Russia. Neither do I. at the current time of the invasion, however,i don't think there were no foreign troops in Ukraine. i think troops will come to help defend soon, though

Mapping Question
Question with what program can i color in and make the maps to post on here? I can make the map, just tell me where. Enclavehunter 21:20, February 18, 2012 (UTC) i want to know mainly for the althistory im making. and for my own posible usage can you tell me what program is best? It depends on what computer you have. For Microsoft you can use Microsoft Paint, or GIMP.2, its free, I have it. If you have an Macintosh or another computer, you can still get GIMP. Enclavehunter 01:44, February 19, 2012 (UTC) I would say Photoshop or photoshop elements, but Gimp is same as those two and it is free. It just depends on your personnel preference. Draycos 01:49, February 19, 2012 (UTC) How much is Photoshop anyway. Enclavehunter 01:56, February 19, 2012 (UTC) The newest verson varies $400-$350 with student discount Around $200. The newest Photoshop Elements (basicly a lite version) is $100-$50. old versions you can get much cheaper. Draycos 02:06, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Invasion of Italy
CNAT Italy and Axis forces.

Results:
CNAT slowly moves through the nation, but still advances. Germay joined in as well. I added you. That is how we got an additional six points. If we can get the USSR in, we can win this campaign of ours. How is CNAT Strength double that of the Axis, and expand how you took Austria when it was a tie. What happened was that there were three countries, and the others had three countries, so I the chance had something to do with it, as it gave us an point further. However, this is just for the invasion, it's not like we can take an country down in an year, it took Austria two, and I assume Italy would take two to three.Enclavehunter 17:13, February 19, 2012 (UTC) Romania and India have joined in the defense of Italy, which gives the Axis six more points and 57 in total I believe. CheesyCheese 21:17, February 19, 2012 (UTC) This will also add to the force defending and help counter-attack, turning the tide of the war (well you deserve to lose). :P Imperium Guy 21:27, February 19, 2012 (UTC) Sorry guys, I have been outside today and wasn't on till now. I have added the extra contributations. Also, why do we deserve to lose. I don't want extra land, I want to be secure. I don't want to be surrounded by enemies on all corners, that is what this war is about. That tends to happen when you form an anti-us alliance.--TacoCopper 22:18, February 19, 2012 (UTC) Woah, how did Cnat's power more than double? There cannot be any way that would happen. Not to mention India and Romania's armies would add much more to the power. Monster Pumpkin

We have two world powers, more people and industry, more people contributing to the war effort. Romania, I don't know, but I will agree with you on the Indian armies. However, on the war algorithm in the archive there isn't anything for adding an army's power besides greater population, industry, or people contributing to the war. TacoCopper

Algorithem needs to be redone,as Tibet is on the axis side, and Germany is not a world power, the four world powers are: Britain, U.S, Japan, USSR. also Neuva Grandana has never said it is helping CNAT. Iyandelian

I would say Germany is a world power. Also, on the Tibet issue, they have said that they have not sent reinforcements to Europe. As for Nueva Granada, they said they would support us in all future campaigns if we gave them Venezuela. We gave them half now, and half later. I can get him to post that is supporting us if you need.TacoCopper

I would not say that Germany is a world power, it just came out of a civil war several years ago and would still be feeling the effects. It would not be as stong as the other four. Monster Pumpkin 01:54, February 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Poland
 * Location: 4
 * Tatical Advantage: 1
 * Strength: 6
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 8
 * Total: 24
 * Hungary
 * Location: 5
 * Tatical Advantage: 2
 * Strength: 0
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 3
 * Total: 20
 * Polish victory. Based on how close it was, it will last one year.
 * P/G/SU
 * Location: 4
 * Tatical Advantage: 1
 * Strength: 21
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 5
 * Total: 36
 * Austria/Italy
 * Location: 5
 * Tatical Advantage: 2
 * Strength: 12
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 4
 * Total: 33
 * It is a tie! How disappointing.
 * The oher axis are helping out in the war effort now, include them in the next algorithim. Wegscuba 03:00, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * I have updated the algorithm. CNAT is now wining thanks to the additional support by other CNAT members, though fighting is still close.
 * i send help of bulgaria to austria, --DarthKaedus 22:11, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * Strength: 9
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 7
 * Alliances:16
 * Total: 49
 * Location: 4
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * Strength: 6
 * Motive: 10?
 * Chance: 6
 * Alliances:22
 * Total: 49?
 * Location: 4
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * Strength: 24(Greater Population, Greater Industry, USSR, world power, Germany, Cuba, Nueva Granada, Japan)
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 6
 * Alliances: 18
 * Total: 58
 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * Strength: 15 (Great Britain, world power, Romania, India,Bulgaria,)
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 5
 * Alliances: 22
 * Total: 59

Well, yes, I agree with you on that. But they have some of the most productive regions, and have a large number of resources within their borders. Also, they are leaders in enginering and nuclear research, as well as some other aras.TacoCopper

Coding Glitches
I just spotted coding glitches- again! RandomWriterGuy 03:34, February 19, 2012 (UTC) Flaming tell me about it!! I am going round trying to correct it. Please note who does this, intentionally or not. Imperium Guy 21:25, February 19, 2012 (UTC) Fixed.81.100.123.250 02:57, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

New Zealand
Can I join as New Zealand? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:09, February 19, 2012 (UTC) Yeah go a head. Draycos 00:08, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Indonesia
Hey im going inactive till thrusday next week can you please not remove me from the game i will be back i promise.

Axis
L 4

T 1

S 6(tibet and another unknown nation are assisting the attack)

C 1

M 10

A 24

total:46

CNAT
L 5

T 2

S 9(greater industry, population, big cheese)

C 3

M 10

A 16

total:48

Result: in a massive counteroffensive, Grecce and two other nations continue the offensive push ino ukraine

Faliure.

Discussion: And your forces are attacking from where? Monster Pumpkin 02:10, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

From the beachead I secured whenever I attacked the USSR in the first placeWegscuba 02:28, February 20, 2012 (UTC) The first attack turned into a stalemate.TacoCopper 02:40, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, your right, this was a failiure....................Wegscuba 19:54, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Axis Edit
L 5

T 1

S 27(greater population, 7 nations assisting, big cheese[UK])

C 6

M 10

A 24

total:73

CNAT Edit
L 4

T 2

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; line-height: 20px;">S 15(greater industry, three nations assisting, big cheese[USSR])

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; line-height: 20px;">C 7

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; line-height: 20px;">M 10

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; line-height: 20px;">A 16

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; line-height: 20px;">total:54

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; line-height: 20px;">Result: Rapid advances into austria are made.

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; line-height: 20px;">Discussion: How did you get your strength to be 24. We have our allies fighting here as well.

Axis Edit
L 5

T 1

S 27(greater population, 7 nations assisting, big cheese[UK])

C 9

M 10

A 24

total:81

CNAT Edit
L 3

T 2

S 18( 4 nations assisting[including austrian puppet government], greater industry, big cheese[USSR])

C 3

M 5

A 16

total:47

Result: Rapid advances in italy are made

Discussion: Once again, our allies contributions arn't counted. Plus, why is your motive ten.

The motive is ten because, in all examples, if the attack fails, the soverignity of those countries would be threatened. more nations have agreed to fight in Austria and Italy on the Axis side, than on the CNAT side. in both instances, several nations on the Axis posted that they were sending troops there. only poland, germany, and the USSR sent troops to italy and austria. our side also has the biggest population, since more nations are on our side. apparently, no nation has sent troops to the USSR at all. in the USSR, only three axis nations have committed to an attack their, giving the USSR bigger population, and industry.Wegscuba 02:41, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Well I could say the same thing about motive in Italy and Austria because if my attack fails, then the Axis will be mad at me and turn my nation into a democracy puppet state. How did more people side with you in Italy and Austria. No one has posted about counter attacking, only sending troops to help Italy. If you initate a counter attack, I understand that these troops will fight, but my allies are here as well, don't forget to count them in our strength. More nations doesn't equal more population. Thats like saying Bulgaria, Italy, Romania, and Libya attacked the US and therfore had the bigger population since there were more nations on the attacker's side. Can you please show us all the reasons for every strength you have, like what we did with the attack into Italy.TacoCopper

I understand that more nations, doesn't mean bigger population, but considering those nations are the british empire, italy, greece, etc. it does equal a bigger population(mainly because of the UK).even without the motive, the attacks in italy and austria would succeed. I posted about the counterattacks. I included all of the nations who actually had troops present in italy and austria. nations like cuba and japan did not have troops there, so i did not include them. i did include all CNAT allies in the"alliances" section. upon further reveiw of the algorithm, i realized i had made a mistake, and greece would have never captured a beachead in the ukraineWegscuba 19:54, February 20, 2012 (UTC) </li> </li>

I just want to clarify, when I said counting our allies, I meant in strength. I still think CNAT has the larger population, we have a large portion of China, plus the USSR. If we are only counting troops in te nation, then a lot of nations for both sides would not be counted. The algorithm means miltary aid, so if I supplied you with 100 tanks, that means you can have some more workers go off and join the war, etc etc. Also, why is the motive ten. You don't die if you lose here. You will retreat. If we lose here, our most powerful member has just been invaded and lost the first invasion. Just saying that is demoralizing, If we could have had our motive as ten, then we would have won Austria and Italy faster and with less casulties.TacoCopper 22:59, February 20, 2012 (UTC) </li></li></li>

Even if it wasn't ten, the algorithim wouldn't change much. In the Ukraine, it probably wouldn't be a 10, but I lost there anyway. in italy and austria, we had a 10 because the soverignity of the nation was in question. in austria, we both had 10s, because there were two governments. as far as the strength, All i'm saying is that more nations sent troops to the battle on the axis side than on the CNAT side. Japan didn't send any troops so I wasn't counting them. neither did Cuba or the VSSR, or east Turkestan. at the time, you only had 6 real members, Germany, Cuba, the USSR, Japan, Poland, and East Turkestan. Germany, the USSR, and poland were the only ones sending troops to the war in europe. </li></li>

The US doesn't own El Salvador
The US does not own El Salvador, during no period in the history of earth did the US ever own El Salvador, in-game I stated that it never owned El Salvador, I changed an earlier map to say that it did not own El Salvador; all of that was ignored and the current map still had that it owned El Salvador until I changed it. For the next map, show El Salvador as Independent! LurkerLordB (Talk) 03:03, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

New Color for India/USSR
These two nations are so close in color, for a minute I was about to post something asking how the USSR took over India. Could we give one of them maybe a slightly different color, just enough so that they can be told apart easier? LurkerLordB (Talk) 02:17, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

That would be my fault. I'll change it. :D Imperium Guy 09:12, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Inactive Nations
I've Notice several player have gone inactive for sometime, such as: Portugal - Tim, Thailand - Flagmania, Brazil - Azecreth, and Iceland - BlackSkyEmpire, but are still on the world map. Out of curiosity shouldn't they be removed from the Map?

And Denmark is fairly regular, yet he is not coloured in on the map.Callumthered 07:31, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick response, but Denmark also owns Greenland. Sorry to be ntipicky.Callumthered 23:46, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Gone for a week
It will be a week until I can post again. Therefore, the US is going to be more isolationist for the next several years. They will defend any of their territory (including Bahamas, Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, and Hawaii and Alaska) and the Phillipines if they are attacked. If they are in danger of being destroyed, they may use one of their 30 nuclear weapons. Other than that, they are not going to interact with any other nation. LurkerLordB (Talk) 12:36, March 3, 2012 (UTC)