Talk:Greater Europe (Map Game)

So yeah. We need to make an algorithm. The person who makes the most realistic algorithm(without stability thingy), will receive a Mod and Map-Maker if they wish. I know it's not much, but that's all I could really offer.

Doctor261 18:36, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

I will propose the algorithm that I formulated for Fractured America(this was my algorithm, based off of Principia Moderni and another proposition that was made in Fractured america, aka algorithm 3)

algorithm proposal
Location

Location goes by nearest military base:
 * at the location of the war or border invasion: 5
 * next to the location of the war: 4
 * close to the location of the war: 3
 * far from location of the war: 2
 * other side of the world: 1

Tactical Advantage

 * attacker's advantage: 1
 * knowledge of landscape: 2
 * this counts if: Defender has had territory for 20+years OR Attacker has owned territory attacked within the past 20 years.

LxCaucassus
So. He did the algorithm. I'm calling the vote in, to keep it fair, just like in Fractured America:

Should LxCaucassus become a moderator? Yes No

The Voting has passed. LxCaucassus is now a moderator of Greater Europe. Doctor261

Unifying with other countries
I am thinking of trying to play as Mexico in this game, and I'm wondering if we could use diplomacy to "unite" with other countries and annex them. Is this plausible, or not?

RandomWriterGuy 18:41, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Yep. You can do it, as long as you have very similar parties or other similarities(religional for example). Doctor261 19:32, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Please tell me what are these "Spanish-speaking" countries, or just update it yourself on the map. Doctor261 06:43, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

And I don't think, that uniting nations like that is that plausible... Doctor261 09:44, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Yees. Next time, use an RNG to determine who agrees, and post it here so we can see the results. It's generally 1-50 = No, 51-100 = Yes. Azecreth 20:16, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

The Spanish-speaking countries are: If I can't unite all of these nations at once, can I do them one at a time?
 * 1) Mexico
 * 2) Guatemala: 37
 * 3) Honduras: 95
 * 4) El Salvador: 44
 * 5) Nicagura: 69
 * 6) Costa Rica: 23
 * 7) Panama: 1
 * 8) Cuba: 41
 * 9) Dominican Republic: 74
 * 10) Venezula: 48
 * 11) Colombia: 8
 * 12) Ecuador: 45
 * 13) Peru: 57
 * 14) Bolivia: 43
 * 15) Paraguay: 99
 * 16) Chile: 91
 * 17) Argentina: 74
 * 18) Uruguay: 15

I did my RNG for each country as well.

RandomWriterGuy 01:49, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

The nations with the RNG between 50-100 are now part of the country of Gran Americana. Is it legal for me to do what I did before now for the other countries? (If not, I will take away the move that tells about that part).

RandomWriterGuy 19:37, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

This sounds very stupidly. Brazil was never imperialist. They didn't want to gain more territory. They had good enough relations with neighbour countries. We need neutral mod to decide on this. Doctor261 19:47, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Then why did Brazil attacked Bolivia then? RandomWriterGuy 19:53, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

The whole idea of this Gran America thing is all quite absurd if you ask me. But I do find it funny how your nitpicking about Brazil expanding. But hey ho, it is alternative history so I guess I can't complain too much VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 21:40, November 20, 2011 (UTC).

I doing the Second Treaty of Mexico. Here are the nations and their RNGs: It will also be shown in the map game.
 * 1) Guatemala: 64
 * 2) El Salvador: 63
 * 3) Costa Rica: 23
 * 4) Panama: 54
 * 5) Cuba: 22
 * 6) Venezula: 25
 * 7) Colombia: 96
 * 8) Ecuador: 20
 * 9) Bolivia: 99
 * 10) Uruguay: 48

RandomWriterGuy 00:43, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Fascist Italy
Location: 5 (border invasion)

Attacker's Advantage: 1

Strength:
Allies(Third Reich assists me here):1

Country has developed military: 1

Expansion: -1

Major tech advancement(Paratrooper military school): 5

Population Bonus: 8+2

Larger industrial base: 2

Total Strength: 19

Other Factors

Motive (political): 5

Government: (Tolerated):0 + Controlled Press: +1 = 1

Amphibious invasion(paratroopers, elite soldiers): 2

Opponent is hated by nation: +1

Total: 32

Chance: (639/18)pi=35.5*3.14=111.47

20:09, so 2x1x1x9=18

Total with Chance: 38

Ethiopia
Location: 5 (at the location of war)

Knowledge of landscape: 2

Strength:
Allies:0

Country doesn't have developed military: 0 (mostly using spears and bows)

Expansion: 0

Major tech advancement(none): 0

Population Bonus: 8

Larger industrial base: 2

Total Strength: 10

Other Factors

Motive (motive is life or death): 10

Government: (Loved): 2

Amphibious invasion(paratroopers, elite soldiers): -2

Country has no international trade: -2

Opponent is hated by nation: +1

Total: 26

Chance: 7(random.org)

Total with Chance: 33

Result:
The war is still going. Need to await for Third Reich's approval that it assists us.

The war has finished with a crushing italian victory.

Discussion

 * The Reich shall support you! I thought I'd made it clear we would, just not when Italy will help Germany; VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 21:03, November 13, 2011 (UTC).

Soviet Union
Location: 5 (border invasion)

Attacker's Advantage: 1

Strength:
Allies(none):0

Country has developed military: 1

Expansion: -1

Major tech advancement(none):0

Population Bonus: 9

Larger industrial base: 2

Total Strength: 11

Other Factors

Motive (political): 5

Government: ?????????

Invasion type: ??????

Opponent is hated by nation: 1

Disadvantage from no high command: -10

Total: 13+???

Chance: ?????

Total with Chance: ???+13+?????

Finland
Location: 5 (at the location of war)

Knowledge of landscape: 2

Strength:
Allies:0

Country has developed military: 1

Expansion: 0

Major tech advancement(none): 0

Population Bonus: 7

Total Strength: 8

Other Factors

Motive (motive is life or death): 10

Government: (Loved): 2

Invasion Type: ?????????

Opponent is hated by nation: 1

Total: 13+?????????

Chance: (random.org) 5

Total with Chance: 18+?????????

Result:
Finland proposes Moscow Peace Treaty.

Discussion

Stalin had initiated and completed his great purge at this point, this OTL hamstrung his army and lost him the war because basically he killed the entire Russian High Command. So, really, Russia should have a massive (I'm talking like -10 points here) disadvantage added. That is true, if you are a mod and you agree then you can add the ajudiciation.

Other stuff
I'm going to join in as Yugoslavia. Michael Douglas 23:36, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Also, can I move Yugoslavia to Major Powers in 1 or 2 years? It has at this point an increasing military power, approaching Two Thirds of the approximate strength of the Italian army, although it still lacks an Navy. Michael Douglas 21:18, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

In 1-2 years? Well if you keep raising your military every turn, it could become a major power. Doctor261 05:11, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll wait a few years before moving it, just to allow for the necessary change in reputation and economic boom.

Michael Douglas 12:46, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Yugoslavia:

 * Location: +5
 * Attacker's Advatage: +1
 * Motive is Moral: +6 (Yugoslav soldiers, held, revenge for bombings)
 * Controlled Press +1
 * Opponent is Hated by nation +1
 * Military Development: +3
 * Larger Industrial Base +2
 * Population: (13,934,038; 1931 Census) +8
 * Terrain at front is Urban -1
 * Chance: 8
 * Total: 26+8=34

Hungary:

 * Location +5
 * Motive is Survival +10
 * Government Liked +1
 * Poluation (8 685 109; 1931 Census, assuming Slavs in Hungary are loyal to government) +7
 * Opponent is Hated by Nation +1
 * Terrain at Front is Urban +1
 * No International Trade -2
 * Chance- 3
 * Total: 23+3=26

Result:
See the post in the game page.

Er... there was no post on the game page. Michael Douglas 21:38, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Brazil
 § Location: 4

 § Attacker’s Advantage: 1

 § Allies: 1

 § Brazil: 3

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 * <span style="font-size:10.0pt;      font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">3*5*7=105
 * <span style="font-size:10.0pt;      font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Edits: 1567 <span style="font-size:10.0pt;       font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">(1567/105)* pi= 46.8 8 45

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Bolivia
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<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Result <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Depends on Bolivia chance, if 9 then draw iof less brazil wins.

<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Brazilian victory over Bolivia.

<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Narrow Bolivian victory.

<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Disccussion ===<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">

<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Mexico and the US have already joined Bolivia's side. This alogythm must be changed. ===

Italian Empire
Location(border invasion): 5

Attacker's Advantage: 1

Strength
Allies: 0 (since Third Reich and France are too late and the battles are already heatened up)

Aid(Military aid from Great Britain, Third Reich and France): 3+3+3

Developed Military: 1 (you would never guess how I love you)

Expansion: -1

Major Tech advancement on Italian side: 5

Population bonus: 8

Larger Industrial Base: 2

Total Strength: 0+3+15+6=0+18+6=24

Other Factors
Motive(received an ultimatum): 10

Government(tolerated): 0

Amphibious invasion(land, sea & air): -2 Defender /+2 Attacker

Hated by other nation: 1

Urban attack: -1

Chance: (773/80)*3.14=30.34

4:45 = 1*4*4*5=80

Total with chance: 46

Yugoslavia
Location: 5

Knowledge of landscape: 2

Strength
Allies: +1

Aid: 0

Expansion: -1(Western Hungary)

Population bonus: 8

Total Strength: 8+1+0-1

Other Factors
Motive is moral: +6

Participation (Albanian Rebel Assistance): +3

Government(liked): 1

Urban defence: 1

Controlled Press: +1

Population Bonus: 8

Amphibious invasion: -2

Hated by opponent: 1

Military Development +1

Chance: (1,348/80)*3.14=52.909

Total with chance: 8+ 22-2=28

Result
Italian crushing victory over Yugoslavia.

Discussion
Feel free to update yours, Yugoslavia.

Ok, thanks. I think you're motive is actually political though, because you're fighting to defend a colony you took recently. Also, expansion is within the last 10 turns I think, so that bonus migt need to be adjusted. Michael Douglas 11:43, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

It was you who threatened me. I'm not really into defending Albania so yeah... The motive is Life of Death. Expansion? Yes. I've added -1 here already. Doctor261 11:59, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I accidentally added 1 point to my motive that I shouldn't have, moral is supposed to be 6...

But still, the motive of the Average Italian is what we're questioning. When I send an ultimatium telling you to pull out of Albania or I'll kick you out, why do they see that as a direct threat towards Italy? Italy's sovereignity is in no way threatened, just her one choice of colony. Michael Douglas 12:04, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

You see... This is not like you think in real life... Imagine a person coming to you, and saying "Money or life". This is certainly life or death motive. And the colony, or whatever you call it, is annexed by me and giving it away after I lost so many men(well not many were lost in Invasion of Albania, but still)... Think about it. This is not politics. This is war. The war where motive is life or death. LIFE, or DEATH, of my people. Doctor261 12:07, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, ok, whatever. Come at me bro!!!!!1!!!one!! 24.36.110.61 12:25, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

The Third Reich

 * Location(border invasion): 5
 * Attacker's Advantage: 1

Strength

 * Allies: (Poland) 1
 * Aid(Mitary aid from Great Italy): 3
 * Developed Military: 1
 * Expansion: -1
 * Major Tech advancement on German side: 5
 * Population bonus: (76,000,000 according to 1939 census, with adjustments for OTL & this TL's differences): 8
 * Larger Industrial Base: 2
 * Total Strength: 1+3+1-1+5+8+2=19

Other Factors

 * Motive(political): 5
 * Government(tolerated): 0
 * Controlled press: 1
 * Negative moderator event in past 10 years: -1
 * Terrain at the front is urban: -1 Attacker
 * Chance: 0 ((2,008/288)*pi= 21.903882)
 * 19:48 = 1*9*4*8=288
 * Final Total with all factors: 1+3+1-1+5+8+2+5+0+1-1-1+1+0=24

Czechoslovakia

 * Location: 5
 * Knowledge of landscape: 2

Strength

 * Allies: None 0
 * Aid: 2 (From Britain)
 * Population bonus: 8 (13,607,385 in 1921)
 * Total Strength: 5+0+2+8=15

Other Factors

 * Motive (life or death): 10
 * Government(liked): 1
 * Urban defence: 1
 * Hated by other nation: 1
 * Chance: 4 (Random.org)
 * Final total with all factors: 5+2+0+2+8+10+1+1+1+4=34

Result
The Reich's forces are defeated by the Czechoslovakian

Discussion
I'm not happy with this nor is the Reich! Damn you pesky Czechs! >:( <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 17:47, November 17, 2011 (UTC).

Spanish-Mexican War (CANCELLED)
Spain

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<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Military Dev: 0

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Expansion: 0

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Wars: 0

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Mod Events: 0

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Population: 8 (23 000 000) + 0

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Larger Industry: 2

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; ">§ Life or death: 10

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Governement: 0(tolerated)

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; ">§ Chance: 2

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Mexico fighting 2 wars: +2

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Total: 34

Mexico
<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Location: 1

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Attacker’s Advantage: --(overseas, you cant get an advantage for attacking if you need to cross ocean)

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Allies: 1(USA)

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Mexico: 3

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Military Dev: 1(0)

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Expansion: 0

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Wars: 0

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Mod Events: 0

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Population: 8 (25-40 000 000) + 2(larger than 20 000 000)

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; ">§ Social/Moral motive: 6

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Governement: 2(loved)

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Chance: 8

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> <span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; ">§ Fighting 2 wars: -2

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 30pt; line-height: 17.25pt; background-color: white; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> Total: 30

Result
Decisive Mexican victory. Southern Spain is under Mexican control.

Spanish Victory, Spanish forces knock all mexicans out of Spain. In Mexico, much anti-war protests take place.

Discussion
<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"> Incorrect algorithm. Correct it. Check the strength. And check the algorithm page for Greater Europe. If you don't know how to make algorithm, then ask others.

Already done.

No it's not. Do you realise there is different algorithm than everywhere? The population bonus is counted by the number of digits. 1'000'000 refers to 7. 10'000'000 refers to 8.

I fixed the Algorithm, since it reflects the begining of the war I did not include mod events. Ok, I'lllet chance go for now, and Its my fault that I wasnt that active and couldnt check the chance. Next time somebody does chance I would like to see the calculations, I'll let it go for now but I will consider this in the future. MExico looses the war.

The Third Reich

 * Location: 5
 * Attackers advantage: 1
 * Allies: 5 (Italy, Poland, Hungary, Latvia, & Finland)
 * Participants: 3
 * Expansion: -1
 * Developed military: 1
 * Major tech advancement on your side: 5
 * Population: 8 (75,868,000)
 * Moral Motive: 6
 * Government is liked: 1
 * Controlled Press: 1
 * Larger Industrial Base: 2
 * Negative moderator event in past 10 years: -1
 * Opponent is hated by nation: +1
 * Terrain at the front is urban: -1 Attacker
 * Chance: 5 (2,033/320(19:01: 1*8*5*8=320)*pi= 19.9589308
 * Final Total with all factors: 5+1+5+3-1+1+5+8+6+1+1+2-1+1-1+5=41

Czechoslovakia

 * Location: 5
 * Knowledge of Landscape: 2
 * Defenders advantage: 1
 * Allies: 1 (Iceland)
 * Participants: 0
 * Developed military: 1
 * Major tech advancement on your side: 5
 * Population bonus: 8 (13,596,700)
 * Life or Death Motive: 10
 * Government is liked: 1
 * Terrain at the front is urban: +1 Defender
 * Hated by other nation: 1
 * Chance: 2 (random.org)
 * Final Total with all factors: 5+2+1+1+0+1+5+8+10+1+1+1+2=38

Result
The Third Reich wins & takes over Czechoslovakia

Conventions of use of the Algorithm
Ok, thus far some algorithms have been messy and hard to understand. I propose that we institute conventions off use.-Lx (leave me a message) 22:12, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

What's wrong with them? Its simple enough... <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 16:08, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

== ==

I'am going join if it's alright.
I'm going to join as Romania if it's alright.

Conwarlord96

Go ahead. And make sure you use four tildes(~) if you sign your name. Doctor261 06:02, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Cancelling the Spanish War
I have officially canceled all moves related to the Sanish-Mexican War. It has caused us nothing but trouble for this map game.

RandomWriterGuy 05:18, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Can you please add Valencia to the map? The border of Valencia is in the Valencian Community Like here: ? Green = Valencia. The colour of the contury is Lavender. ~Sereniama~ | Page ▪ Talk ▪ Wiki Contributions | 05:49, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Spanish Republic
Location: 5

Tactical Advantage: 3

Allies: 0

Participants: +3 (Soviet soldiers present fighting for Spanish Republic

Dveloped Military: 0

Exansion: 0

Major tech advancement: 0

Population: 8

Larger Industrial Base: 2

Motive: 7

Government Popularity: 0

Chance: 9 (random.org)

Nation has just been through civil war -1

Anger at Valencia for breaking away after the civil war against the Nationalists has ended: +1

Total: 5+3+3+0+0+0+0+8+2+7+0+9-1+1= 37

Valencia
Location: 5

Tactical Advantage: 2

Allies: 1

(2nd phase) Military aid from Italian Empire: 3

Developed military: 0

Expansion: 0

Major tech advancement: 5 (paratroopers)

Population: 6

Motive: 10

Government Popularity: 1

Chance: 7 (random.org)

Nation has just broken off from mother country: -2

Total: 5+2+1+0+0+5+6+10+1+7-2+3=38

Result
1st phase: Spanish victory. Northern Valencia falls to the Spanish.

2nd phase:

Valencia
There should be no reason for Valencia to be independent. No reason at all. Spain just went through a civiol war, and nobody wanted to go through that again. And the Taoist thing is just stupid. They would either be Christian or Muslim. Now, I propose that the Valencia independence be retocnned, and Sereniama can play as an already established nation. Because Valencia isn't going to up and rebel for no reason after the civil war is over, and if they did then the spanish military would crush them. ~Az {C} Should the Valencia rebellion be retconned? 1. Yes 2. No

Dude, it's just a map game. It's not real history, I don't see why you are complaining. -.- idiot. Deal with it. AND if there WAS a problem with my country, I'd probably be informed in my talk page now would I?

BY THE WAY, it also says that we can be ANY COUNTRY, which can include PRONVINCES. Pan-America doesn't exist, so why are you complaining? -.- think before you ACT. Everyone else seems fine with it.

AND I DON'T HAVE to have my country to be effing Muslim or Christa- wait, you mean Catholic? Wow, you idiot... I don't have to have my country to be like that. Besides, Taoism is NOT Stupid, it's a peaceful religion you idiot.

~Sereniama~ | Page ▪ Talk ▪ Wiki Contributions | 23:58, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

It does seem quite odd though? A Taoist nation in Spain? Plus that reply is a bit over the top, calm down dear, like you said: its only a map game, <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:26, November 22, 2011 (UTC).

Sorry, I just had to deal with people like this one before, Von. I got a bit too angry... But why not? I mean, it adds a twist to Europe a bit. It's unique after all, I mean, how many other countries you see use an Asian religion as their main religion? I mean, if you think about it, Islam is an Asian religion, so why not go a bit far east? Perhaps the Japanese influenced them? I mean, they still have Muslims and Catholics in Valencia. ~Sereniama~ | Page ▪ Talk ▪ Wiki Contributions | 00:31, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

To say it is not very plausible would probably be an understatement. I have put the poll you removed back in. It was put in by one of the moderators of this game. As such, you need to recognize it.

Don't do that again. And watch your tongue.

Lordganon 01:27, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Watch my tounge? And who is the moderator who place it there anyways? I didn't removed the poll, I must of did it on accident. And did it said anywhere in the rules that I cannot make a new nation? -_-.

If you all want me to be another playable country, why don't you just ask me? It's really simple. I just simply signed up to have fun.

~Sereniama~ | Page ▪ Talk ▪ Wiki Contributions | 06:37, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Nobody tells you you can't play as that country. But you were overthrown by a greater military of Spain... Doctor261 06:59, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, watch your tongue. Call someone an idiot again like that, and you will get a vacation.

Lordganon 08:27, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Turkish-Greek/Bugarian War Algorithm
Could someone make an algorithm please? DeanSims 23:48, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

There is an algorithm already, its on this talk page & the final version here. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:24, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Could you adjust it so it represents the Ottoman-Greek/Bulgarian War, I have no idea how to work on algorithms even with a base format.DeanSims 00:40, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

I didn't know myself at first but I used the base format & now I've got the hang of it. Just copy & paste the base format & amend it where necessary. Mods check it once you've done it to make sure there aren't any mistakes. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 09:42, November 22, 2011 (UTC).

Too fast
Guys, this game has got too fast for me to keep up. China is open for a new player. :( Imperium Guy 10:32, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

I might fill that position for China. By the way, since I was playing as Mexico, I'll give control of it to USA, including the territories it has claimed, and remember, in 3 years, Guatemala, El Salvador, Panama, Colombia, and Bolivia will be part of the country.&nbsp --RandomWriterGuy 14:41, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

I changed my mind. I rather stick to Gran Americana. RandomWriterGuy 19:56, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

I will Think about it If I do I will give Romania Neutral Conwarlord96

Romania
Location 5:Border Invasion

Attackers Advantage:1

Stength

Allies(Pact of Steel): 5 (five members)

Country has developed Millitary:1

Expansion:-1

Population: 8 (19mil) +2

Government tolerated: 0

Major Tech Advancement:5 (indeed, because Yugoslavian tech was mostly destroyed by italians)

Large Industrial Bse:2 Yugoslavia and Romania both had almost same industry levels.

Total Strength:20

Other

Motive:5 Political

Controlled press due to Fascist Goverment 1

Opponent Hated by Nation:+1

Ajudiciation of italian damaged yugoslavian military: +2

Total=29

Chance: 6

Counting chance: We say time is 10:10(when I was counting). So... 1*1=1 .... And so on... (88/1)*pi= 276.46015351590177

Total with Chance: 35

Yugoslavia
Location: 5

Knows terrain: 2

Strength
Allies: 0

Undeveloped military: 0

Population: 8 (~18 mil)

Total Strength: 8

Other factors
Motive: 10

Government tolerated: 0

Opponent is Hated by nation: +1

Ajudiciation: -2

Chance(random.org): 4

Total with chance: 21

Result
Romanian and their ally victory over the Yugoslavia.

Discussion
N/A

Switching Countries
I am thinking to fill China since the player is not there anymore. That means though I will not play as Mexico anymore. Is that a deal? (Which year do I start anyway?) RandomWriterGuy 21:01, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Go ahead. Doctor261 10:45, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

2nd Ottoman Empire
Location: +5

Attackers Advantage:+1(knows terrain is only granted if the nation attacking lost terrotory fighting in in the last 20 years if that wasnt clear enough)

Romania/USSR: +6

Political motive(to capture and take political control over area x): 5

Population 25,000,000(rough combination of Greece, Turkey, and Bulgaria): +8 +2(25 000 000>12 000 000)

Larger industrial base: +2

Controlled Press: +1

Military Development: +2

Government Popularity: 0(greece, bulgaria, rumania no like turkey, especialy after just getting free, but somewhat tolarate it)

Ajudiciations: almost complete undeveloped military in Persia: +2

Chance:0


 * Counting chance: We say time is 19:26. So 1*9*2*6=108 So... (1493/108)pi=43.4075<...>

Total:32

Afghanistan/Persia
Location: +5

Secret aid from Italy/ afganistan or persia: +6

Knows Terrain: +2

Population 12,497,000: +8

Government Liked: +1

Military Undeveloped: 0

Motive: + 10

No Industrial Base: +0

Ajudiciations: almost complete undeveloped military in Persia: -2

Chance: 3 -Lx (leave me a message) I've already made a chance and you've deleted it. You're hereby fired from mod team. Thank you for making interest. Chance stays 8.

Total: 40

Results
Minor Ottoman victory, Turks make minor inroads into Persia (leave me a message) Minor Persian and afghan victory. No. They didn't have undeveloped military, believe me. Persia-Afghanistan wins and counterattacks Ottoman Empire.

Discussion
And why is their government hated, if they loved their government? Doing it all for your advantage, eh? Not good. Not good. Their military IS developed. They have international trades with many NPC countries. Also they have good enough industrial base. But not larger that Ottoman Empire's. So change it all and we're cool. Doctor261 19:19, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

I'm working on it. Doctor261 19:22, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

i didnt cross off your comment, just so you know DeanSims 19:55, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

I fixed and approve of this algorithm as God of War.-Lx (leave me a message) 20:11, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

thanks Lx, and the USSR is now helping me conquer Persia and Afganistan; and Greece, Rumania, Bulgaria, Turkey, and eventualy Persia which will become East and West Persia, and Afganistan, are, or will be, equal member republics of the UOSR.


 * do you know what a small inroad is? a small inroad is mostly something like 100 km from the border! Not conquering a nation!-Lx (leave me a message) 13:45, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Alright. That's it. From now on, Only I and He (Doctor261 and Azacreth) can set the Results of victory. Period. Doctor261 05:27, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

China

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage: 0
 * Strenghth: (someone do this for me)
 * Motive: 6
 * Governmental Popularity: 2


 * Adjudications: -1


 * Other: 1


 * Chance:

Korea

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * Strenghth: (some one do this for me)
 * Motive: 10
 * Governmental Popularity: 0


 * Adjudications: 1


 * Other: -2


 * Chance:

Result
Major chinese victory. We all know they would win this anyways ^.^ Doctor261 12:14, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Heh. Funny. RandomWriterGuy 23:06, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Discussion
Can someone do strength for me? I don't know how to do it. RandomWriterGuy 21:20, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Korea is controlled by Japan. Attacking Korea = War with Japan. Azecreth 15:08, November 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * No, not at all. I (Japan) gave Korea their independence in Spring of 1942. -Kogasa [[Image:Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png|23px|border]][[Image:宮城県.png|23px|border]][[Image:Flag of Japan.png|23px|border]] 16:09, November 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay then. I allow this. But I'm surprised you aren't complaining about this blatant chinese aggression, since the Qing never directly controlled Koreas. It was always a Qing tributary state. Azecreth 16:42, November 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, to be honest I'm not liking the Chinese aggression, but I rather not say anything, otherwise I might get crushed by the Chinese themselves. Kind of hard to maintain peace/neutral within Japan while an expansionist China threatening me, even though China and Japan are democracies (or at least Japan was a democracy until now) -Kogasa [[Image:Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png|23px|border]][[Image:宮城県.png|23px|border]][[Image:Flag of Japan.png|23px|border]] 16:42, November 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Really? I thought Korea was part of China during the Qing Dynasty. It was shown on all of them maps. RandomWriterGuy 23:06, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Nuclear tech: Moderator Vote with open discussion
Ok, since we are getting to the time well, when multiple nations are starting their Nuclear Programs, I thought about this well and came to the conclusion that only "major Powers" can actualy support nucular programs, and that minor powers didnt even try untill much later. So, my proposal is, to increase plausibility, to make it that only nations in the "Major Powers" category can have access to a nuclear weapons project before 1950. One can become a "Major Power", and nobody has to stay a "minor Power", you can be upgraded. Only moderators are allowed to vote, but everyone can participate in discussion, so that the moderators dont have the only say in what goes on.-Lx (leave me a message) 04:42, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

For
-Lx (leave me a message) 04:40, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Against
Doctor261 05:23, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Discussion
First of all, I don't support all this nuclear tech bullshit at all. It ruins map games all the time if it's used. And in a second hand, why major powers only? Because they have bigger territory? Because they advancing in tech faster? Doesn't matter. Even Yemen could create a nuclear tech if they'd work on researching it. Doctor261 05:23, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Minor powers can have nukes. OTL Iran and North Korea have nuclear technology and there not major powers like the US or China.Enclavehunter 10:06, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

yes but not in the 1950s, theyre only getting them in the 2000s-Lx (leave me a message) 13:34, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Yes i know. I'm trying to give an example.Enclavehunter 17:30, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Joining
Can I join as Argentina? I think that the "Gran Americas" is kind of ASB as nearly all south american and central american states are opposed to rejoining a spanish states or anything simular. If I could rebel against the Gran Americas and re establish Argentina, then that would be great. Kunarian 15:13, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Go ahead. Doctor261 15:18, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Alogythm Strength
Every time I make an alogythm, can someone do strength for me? I really don't know how to do it. RandomWriterGuy 18:09, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

2nd Ottoman Empire
There is no second Ottoman Empire. It's existance has been retconned. The original empire only fell 30 years ago. It had been on the decline since the 1870's. Nobody would willingly join a reppresive empire again, when they are a stable democracy. You can still be Turkey, but you CANNOT be the Ottoman Empire. Azecreth 15:08, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Joining Greater Europe
I'd like to join, but I don't know where to start. Thsi seems like a lot of fun!

Stephen.valentine1 22:23, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Chinese Flag
Alright, who changed China's flag in the main page?! RandomWriterGuy 00:23, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Brazilian Socialist Union Party
Location: 5

Bolivia, USSR: +6

Major tech advancement(Jungletank): +5

populaiton(Brasilia, North...):

Military advancement/expansion: NULL AND VOID FOR CIVIL WAR

Motive: Revolution? very strange...either moral or LoD...6 or 10

Chance: 2 --- Doctor261 12:39, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

Brazilian Governement Loyalists
Location: 5

Germany, Argentina: +6

Major Tech(Jungletank): +5

Population:(Rio de Janeiro, South):

Miltary advancement/expansion: NULL AND VOID FOR CIVIL WAR!

Motive: 10 (LoD)

Chance: 1 --- Doctor261 12:39, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

Tibet, Nepal, and Butan RNG
I sent my party to these countries, asking them to be Nationalists. Can mod do RNG for the countries for whether or not they do become those Nationalist States? RandomWriterGuy 04:35, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

Yo! I would like to join this game as Canada. May I join you?Eurasia12 06:10, December 3, 2011 (UTC)Eurasia12

Nations that have trade agreements and alliances with China
Which nations have trade agreements and alliances with China again? I know USA is one of them. RandomWriterGuy 07:04, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

China

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage: 0
 * Strength: 18
 * Motive: 5
 * Government Popularity: 0
 * Adjudications: 0
 * Other: N/A
 * Chance: Well, since I don't have exact time when you attacked and your edit count at that time, I'll just make a random.org. Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 14:14, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * So the chance is: 8
 * Total: 34

Thailand

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * Strength: 6
 * Motive: 10
 * Government Popularity: 2
 * Adjudications: 0
 * Other: N/A
 * Chance:5
 * Total: 30

Result
Major Chinese victory.

Italian Civil War
Will only be counting received aids.

Italian Democrats & Fascists

 * 1) Italian Army and Police
 * 2) China
 * 3) Great Britain
 * 4) Third Reich
 * 5) France
 * 6) Argentina
 * 7) United States

Italian Communists

 * N/A

Result
Communists are defeated. North (Fascist) Italy & South (Democratic) Italy are created. A small ceasefire prevails, but North invades South & the 2nd Italian civil war begins.

Second Italian Civil War
Calling it like that, because it's still Italy who is fighting.

Counting aids.

Fascist Italy

 * 1) Romania
 * 2) Third Reich

Democratic Italy

 * 1) Great Britain
 * 2) China
 * 3) Japanese Republic
 * 4) Spain
 * 5) United States

United States
Location: 2

Attacker's Advantage: 1

Strength
Allies(Democratic Italy+<...>): +1

Aid:

TBA

Romania
Location: 5

Knowledge of landscape: 2

Strength
Allies(Third Reich+<...>): +1

Aid:

TBA

Result
TBA

Discussion
N/A

Italian War
well, it looks like the civil war in Italy will start World war 2. At least, it better. The Germans have mined the Straits of Gibraltar, and sunk all Allied shipping the Mediterranean, an act of war if there was one. Not to mention the navies of Germany and America shooting at each other. Now if only we could get the USSR player back, then it would be complete. Have fun. Azecreth 16:35, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Actualy, I've removed the China thing and Germany sinking all allied shipping, since China wouldn't send their navy halfway around the world to intervene in a civil war which has no effect on their national interest. Azecreth 16:37, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

I was annoyed by that, hence I went a little over the top, with the 3rd Reich. Regardless I'm trying to roll-play my role as the Third Reich rather than do what may be sensible, and I think Hitler would do something like this... <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 16:58, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Another Shot
I'll try and give this game another shot. :D Imperium Guy 12:43, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

I'm joining as Yugoslavia. I hope that's alright with everyone Stephen.valentine1 02:56, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yugoslavia is split between Romania & Germany. Maybe pick somewhere else? <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 14:54, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

What about Australia? Stephen.valentine1 06:35, December 13, 2011 (UTC) 06:33, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

You could play as India Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 12:51, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, then I'll sign up as India Stephen.valentine1 03:31, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

Leaving
I have too much work to try and do two map games, so I am withdrawing myself as Argentina from the game to focus on principia moderni. I have been meaning to post this for a while but have forgotten or not had the time. Sorry if this causes anyone any inconviniences. Kunarian 14:57, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

United Nations
Okay. With the permission of Doctor, I went ahead and created an UN page for the game. I was wondering if the gaming community would like to keep it, or get arid of it.Enclavehunter 07:07, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

COMMUNIST CHINA?!
O.k., who changed China's name to Communist China?! Is there any evidence communism took over the country? (P.S.: Also, I am back, so this shiuld not happen!)

RandomWriterGuy 00:52, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

This china is presumably a different china based in Manchuria. Whoever changed Nationaist China's name to Communist china should fix it. Communism has not taken over in the majority of china, but even though you killed the major eladers, Communism would still be a powerful force, so it is possible. Azecreth 18:36, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

While I am Commumist China, I did not take over china and just took over Vietnam. Swollow 18:50, December 27, 2011 (UTC)

World War 2 plan
Since all m efforts to provoke world war 2 have failed, I figre that I will ask the body of players. When should World War 2 start, and how do we want to go aboutstarting it. It wouldn't be out of the clear bue, so there will bea buildup to the date when we figure the war will start. What do you think? Azecreth 20:01, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

The USI (India), wants no part in this war. The USI wants to expand into Asiabut not start a world war or participate in one. DeanSims 23:11, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

IMO, I think World War 2 should start somewhere in the 50's, so that some events could occur every turn leading up to that date. AS far starting it, I don't have anything. Enclavehunter 23:48, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

its simple on how to start it, we just need a Lusitania. Or in this case, we just need someone to get pissed off, pardon my language. a STRAY NUKE PERHAPS? DeanSims 23:56, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

I am not taking part in WW2, nor I want one to happen. RandomWriterGuy 04:49, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Just because WW2 happened in OTL doesn't mean it should happen in all ATL, it really bugs me how there's nearly always 2 world wars at the same time as the one's in OTL in so many of the timelines on this wiki. Events don't necessarily always lead to a 2nd world war in the middle of the 1900s. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 16:57, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

From what I read in the recent game edits, I realized nuclear war is approaching. Could that be close to World War 2? (Note: I am not participating in it!!!!!!!!!!!!) RandomWriterGuy 01:40, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

I think that if an nuclear war occured, all the missles and bombers would be aimed at India, lol. But really, I think if an nuclear war would occur, India would be the one to get nailed the first and the hardest from missiles and bombers coming from across the world. Enclavehunter 01:53, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

Chinese/Indian-Afganistan War Algorithm
Can someone make an algorithm for a Chinese-indian Alliance vs Afganistan War please? DeanSims 20:25, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

USI implausibility
How has that stuff about the USI building a moon base and having nukes in space is so implausible it hurts. Can a mod just cut out all of that crap? I mean some of the stuff which hasn't been allowed for implausibility is just tame compared to that.

And on another note, wouldn't the USI setting off a nuke in space cause an EMP like effect? <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 12:32, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

What happened
Where is everybody?! We haven't updated in quite a while! RandomWriterGuy 00:29, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps everyone is just getting sick of this game, too much implausible stuff going down & mods ain't doing much to stop it <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 14:43, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

How about we either restart the game or reform the rules of the game and find new players and mod, how about that? RandomWriterGuy 22:45, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

You can do, but I'm going to try and focus my efforts on my own timeline now and play less map games. Personally I'd just start a new game if I was you with a new idea, the whole world war 2 map game is a bit worn out in my opinion. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 23:58, January 9, 2012 (UTC)



China
Location: 4(Naval)

Tactical Advantage: 1(attacker's advantage)

Allies:

Developed Military Points(since 1948 Autumn): 2

Expansion: -1

Population Bonus: 9

Larger Industrial Base: 2

Motive is Political: 5

Government Popularity: 0(Tolerated) - 1(Negative event)

Terrain at Front is Urban: -1

Amphibious Invasion: -2

Defending Nation is Island: -2

Chance: 2 Total(with DMP): 12 +2 +2 = 16
 * Edit Count: 0 (player resigned)
 * We Say, time factor is 3.
 * (0+3)*pi=9.42477796

Japan
Location: 5(Their land)

Tactical Advantage: 2(knowledge of landscape)+1(No Casus Belli)

Allies: 1(Italy) + 1(Great Britain) + 3(France, Netherlands, Kingdom of Iceland)

Military Aid: 3(Italy)

Developed Military Points(since 1947 Winter): 5

Major Tech Advancement: 5

Population Bonus: 8

Motive is Life or Death: 10

Government Popularity: 2(Loved)

Terrain at Front is Urban: +1

Amphibious Defence: +2

Defending Nation is Island: +2

Chance: 8

Total(with DMP): 46 + 8 + 5 = 59
 * Edit Count: 5238
 * We say, time factor is 3
 * (5238+3)*pi = 16465.087097

Result
War will end by japanese victory, if Japan will continue to defend. If Japan begins a counter-attack into chinese land, which is currently almost unprotected, Japan will receive Chinese territory in Summer.

Discussion

 * Discuss Here. Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 07:07, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Can I claim Romania since...
My old account Conwarlord96 played Romania if it's okay?-Althistoryman11

Go ahead. Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 04:27, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Lost the password and Email for my old acct didn't know this game was still going.-Althistoryman11.

May I switch to the United States? Enclavehunter 13:30, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Go ahead. Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 13:49, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

United States

 * Location: 4
 * Tatical Advantage: 2 (US hates Communist)
 * Strength: 18 (Britain, Greater Population)
 * Motive: 5 (Communism)
 * Government Popularity: 2
 * Adujcations: -4
 * Other: 11
 * Total: 38

Cuba

 * Location: 5
 * Tatical Advantage: 2
 * Strength: 3
 * Motive: 10
 * Government Popularity: 2
 * Adjucations: 4
 * Other: 0
 * Total: 26

Result

 * US Crushing Victory. Doctor261 ''' (Talk to Doctor261) 20:21, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Italy
Location: 5

Tactical Advantage: 1(attacker's advantage)

Allies: 0

Developed Military Points(since 1950 Autumn): 6

Expansion: -2

Population Bonus: 8

Larger Industrial Base: 2

Motive is Political: 5 (Rebuilding the Roman Empire)

Government Popularity: 0(Tolerated)

Terrain at Front is Urban: 0 (due to the bombardments of earlier date)

Chance: 2 Total: 39
 * Edit Count: 2522
 * We Say, time factor is 3.
 * (2522+3)*pi=7932.521450...

Egypt
Location: 5

Tactical Advantage: 2

No Valid Casus Belli: +1

DMP: 0

Population Bonus: 7

Motive: 10(Life or Death)

Government Popularity: 0(recently changed)

Chance(random.org): 7

Total: 22

Result
Crushing Italian victory.

Discussion

 * Here Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 20:21, June 19, 2012 (UTC)