User talk:PitaKang



Alliance
Accepted. --"Truth fears no questions..." 22:32, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, would it be possible for me to make a empire made of two smaller ones? The Gemini Federation would constitute the larger portion, while my planned one would make up the smaller one (like 0.005% of it). It would go hand-in-hand with the whole racial confederacy thing. --"Truth fears no questions..." 22:35, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the info. --"Truth fears no questions..." 22:43, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

BFER Stuff
Here is the link. This page has all of the political entities in the timeline. As you will see, some other players have lent me their species/empires to create the galactic community. Feel free to look around, although not much is done.

http://future.wikia.com/wiki/Political_Entities_%28Rivalry%29

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 22:46, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

A Darker Place
you find the TL interesting? iom looking for help with ideas, sorry about the korea thing its just part of the timeline but the situation will improve for them in the future.Nkbeeching

Ill do some fine tuning later and ill incorperate him but the results would have been the same im afraid despite one general. Yi was the major factor since he controled the seas which were the japanese supply line and reinforcements. but ill incorperate the general in the counter offensive when china joined the conflict.

Dirty Job
It's a dirty job but somebody's got to do it.

I'm like the English professor in the men's room:

I don't write on the walls - I just correct the spelling and grammar.

EoGuy (talk) 00:30, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

BFERRRRR Stuff
I am rather upset with you as of late. Let's cut to the beef.

A: I do not appreciate your creating false colonies of mine. Or naming them.

B: Anyone would more or less know that historically, the Regenetech Empire does not get dragged into war lest the Dravimos or Azaranian got themselves into a war. So these Constantinoplians (I forget the name) would have a hard time convincing anyone that the Regenetech Empire destroyed property of another nation with being engaged in existing war with that nations. Part of the Constitution, Article 639: The Empire shall not be the opening aggressor of anyone war unless it is an interior war or part of an expansion campaign into unclaimed territory.

C: The word is "Azaranian" and not "Azarian." And there is an existing flag for the Azaranians out there somewhere.

D: The humans are the only inhabitants of the Sol System.

E: The sheer sizes of the Azaranian and Regenetech Empire warrant a massively large population, making the Terran Empire look impossibly small in numbers and size.

F: The Galactic Alliance is established, and has been since 85 billion years. (The true age of the canon races can be placed at c. 100 to 300 billion years ago, choose your number any time.) And it comprises of the Regenetech Empire, Dravimosian Empire, Azaranian Empire, and Caborr Consulate, and it started when the four nations became neighbors. Meanwhile on the other side of the Galaxy, the Terran Empire allied to several neighboring nations and consolidated those nations into a megastate: the XYZ Republic (Currently lacking a name, name as you wish.) and allied with the Soram Empire and the new Hanzen Empire, formed from the overthrown Hanzen Republic. Both are large in population and size, and strong as well, and the Democrists to form the Quadruple Alliance. The Mechs remain isolated in their corner of the Galaxy, while other nations are scaterred about. And so the QA and GA do not fight interiorly.

G: Other nations are not as genocidal and homocidal as the Terran Empire.

H: If you had simply read what we had already, none of this would have happened!

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:49, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Its revolutions, not reloaded (LOL!). :P Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:18, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Trolololololol! :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:34, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Lol, the Pepsi was asking for it... :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:56, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

A: Correction: No colonies, as titling a territory as such makes them feel lesser. And it can't as far flung as you can imagine, as every sector of the Empire would have to be close to a provincial capital. Sheesh, didn't you ever see Star Wars?

B: The Cornstantians can believe it, but convincing their allies would be a tough job, and Germany only got Japan and Italy in on the act because of their pact. And the Regenetechs could easily crush the Cornstantians after a declaration of war and before they could mobilize all their troops. Nazi Germany attacked a lesser enemy--attacking the Regenetech would mean practical suicide.

C: Oh darn it. I was supposed to make the flag for Lx (I did too) but I never uploaded it!

D: Venusians ring a bell?

E: The Brits kept 1/3 of the globe under control, I could the same with 1/4 the galaxy.

F: Oh, that should have been millions. My mistake.

G: So killing tens of millions of defending people is not homicidal?

H: I said it was in my sandbox and under the BFER category. Not my problem if you're too lazy to go look for it.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:09, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

It would be easier--far more easier, in fact--to frame the Azaranians, well known for aggressive tendencies and also one to harbor grudges. Saying "Oh, the Azaranians did it" could keep all convinced for a short time.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:13, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

re:Terran Empire
I like it. It's good to see another user be detailed with these things. The Mech page is a bitch to write because I put so much detail into that concept >_< CrimsonAssassin (talk) 11:49, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Sure. If I'm still here after this little Pact 3 debacle, I'd love to. The Royal Guns (talk) 19:58, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

The Phantoms are long gone. Those that survived the war have either died due to low population/food numbers or have completely evolved into different beings over the span of 65 million years. Planets with Phantom cities or outposts were bombarded after the war as 'cleansing'. To put it bluntly, the Phantoms are extinct and their artifacts are extremely rare. Thanks for the offer though. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 02:00, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

A Darker Place
you know the name of the son of Yi hon was, i cant find it in english or spanish and i need the name for the timeline.

Nkbeeching

Yi hon was Gwanghaegun the son of king Seonjo, he was dethroned in a coup in OTL.

Nkbeeching

all texts ive read about him explicitly say he had a son, who was the son of the princess consort Munseong, his wife. but i cant find his name

alright ill have to right him as a forgoten figure in history in the timeline who didnt do much in his regime and is widely considered a puppet of the japanese Kampaku through his marraige, while that is the intention, i wanted a name so i could go into detail now i cant.

dont worry ill just spin it arround, but ill still keep you as an advisor for the timeline.

whats your general opinion of the tl btw. is it any good, and is it plausible and not biased.

Nkbeeching

ill be editing the first part of the timeline later i on. i know they would have had initial problems, that will be part of the 1592-95 part until the treaty which officially allies japan with korea.

Esperanto here?
Does anyone in any alternate history speak La Internacia Lingvo (The Inter-national Language) better known as Esperanto?

EoGuy = Esperanto Guy.

Well, *I* do - and teach it also.

EoGuy (talk) 00:54, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

Music
Not bad with the lil' box man guy, but listen to Public Enemy - Harder Than you Think and Fazer - Killer. They are good songs (along with one of my all time favourites Too Close by Alex Clare!). :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:09, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

I'll give it my best sho, as long as he doesn't block me! BTW, did you hear the music I suggested? :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:17, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Done, thank Dean! :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:34, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

re: BFE
Go for it! Will there be any differences between the game and the fanfic? CrimsonAssassin (talk) 00:43, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Now are these timelines on fanfic.net open? CrimsonAssassin (talk) 00:52, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

I mean can other people edit them as well as the guy in charge of the fanfic? CrimsonAssassin (talk) 15:46, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Finality
Really?! You'd let me write it :D Thanks! Scandinator (talk) 05:54, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know how to edit it. Is it ok if I start anew? Scandinator (talk) 08:59, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

A Soviet Axis
As I seem to recall telling you before, there is no way that the Soviets and Nazis just start being allied like that. There needs to be a reason for it. You do not have one. Nor is it at all possible for one that early. The hate each other, remember. And that part isn't going to change.

Germany really isn't capable of invading Denmark in addition to those areas.

Germany also needs those troops elsewhere, and is not capable of sending them to Egypt at that point. Moreover, the Italian colonial forces, while inept, actually far outnumbered the British defenders. Not that they stood a chance, mind - they were pretty useless, overall.

If the US has declared war on the Germans, why on earth would they be ordering sanctions? The first kind of negates the latter.

Why would the Soviets be involved or declared war on? They haven't done a thing, barring the impossible alliance, that they did not do in otl. Heck, they've done less, which makes little sense either.

One sunk ship isn't going to get the US into the war.

The USSR, as was proven on several occasions, would have steamrolled the Japanese. There is a very good reason they did so in 1945 - one that had little to do with Japanese losses elsewhere, for their forces in the area were still virtually intact by that point.

Finns would not let the USSR get that far. More importantly, you refer to them invading just before winter, but the given date is in June. The Germans would also not let the Soviets do that. They only got away with it otl because they were opposed. Any sort of alliance, and the whole attack goes out the window.

Germans aren't really capable of launching attacks from sea like that. Nor would the Soviets have let them do that, or not have had it already under their control in the first place.

No way the Soviets would retreat from that point.

The Germans will not invade Switzerland. Not only would it be something that would take months, at best, it would be a worse sore in their side than Spain was in Napoleon's. Attacking your bank, and your main area of intel operations, is also not ever a good idea. Basically, there is not benefit to doing it.

Soviet ships don't have the ability to do that. The Soviets have basically no navy. And what they do have is pretty well stuck where it is based.

Lordganon (talk) 05:46, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

No, they actually did not request anything, or be offered it. Negotiations did happen, though exactly how legitimate they were is a matter of some debate.

What they actually were about was another treaty like the one signed over Poland.

Let's just say that they couldn't bullshit their way though a second one. Have a look at the demands for the reasoning for that one.

Really, Pita, those talks were just about securing their border temporarily - that's all either side expected from it.

Logistics - there were shortages, more that you'd think, during the invasion of the Low Countries, and then France, otl. Adding Denmark to that mix makes it worse. And, as well, the forces in question that would need to be used would stand a good chance of allowing the French to halt the attack in the west through the reduced numbers there.

"Almost declared" is not declared, remember. And that was actually far from the only ship sunk in that war before the Germans stopped sinking neutrals.

U-boats are not going to be sinking American ships like you've got written. The Germans aren't stupid - they know it will bring in the USA, like in WWI, to do unrestricted submarine warfare. They also won't operate anywhere in that region.

Mexico would not even consider such a thing. They didn't like the Germans either, quite frankly, for the same reasons as the US.

Hitler didn't get "crazy" until the end. There is absolutely no way that the Germans invade Switzerland.

There is no way a Treaty like otl gets signed in 1937. Really, that it got signed at all otl was shocking. And you're ignoring the fact that they hate each other. There is a very good reason why the Soviets went to the west first, and spent a very long time on it. The Japanese not being part of the Axis would have no impact on that part.

You kinda missed my point about Egypt - the Brits defeated an Italian force that outnumbered them ridiculously easily. It wasn't even a contest - the Italians were that much of a joke. Nor would it be a "ruse." The Brits wouldn't even need to rush troops there - and what forces they did move wouldn't have been moved there from anywhere in Europe, either.

The Italians would try to invade southern France, as well. But until they invaded there and in Egypt, they wouldn't have been involved in the war, or even have declared it. The attack in France goes just about as well as the one in Egypt.

Pita, there is a nice article on wikipedia about ways the USSR almost got into a slight alliance with the Germans - not that the word "alliance" is really inaccurate there - you may want to look on there for it.

Lordganon (talk) 04:51, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Please don't copy my posts when you respond, Pita. All it does is fill up my talk page. I know what you're talking about, remember.

Have a good, hard, look at the Soviet demands. There is no way on earth the Nazis would ever have given it to them.

The US will eventually get into the war. Look at their otl actions - by sheer accident, if nothing else (and even without any, may I add) something will happen and the US will intervene. Just a question of time. They were escorting convoys, and even had their naval vessels hit a couple of times, remember. They even sank an old destroyer otl, and severely damaged others. Heck, an order was even given in the fall of 1941 to fire on any U-boats US naval vessels saw. Just a matter of time until things go too far.

The Germans did still sink some American ships, too. Not many, but accidents happen. No liners, however - they were normally fast enough to be easily safe, and quit sailing to Europe not long after the war started anyways.

Basically, either through German actions, or Roosevelt, given it was an eventual goal of his, American intervention will happen. Especially if the Japanese are fighting the "Reds" in Asia, which will kill off pressure on them by the USA in most ways, and largely end fighting in China too, maybe even making then come to an agreement with the Nationalists to fight Mao instead of each other.

Estimates for otl generally give, at most, until the next summer after when PH happened otl before the Germans and Americans were at war with each other.

The invasion of Manchuria, as an fyi, would be in multiple spots, and largely from the north. Not Vladivostok, which is vulnerable to attacks from the sea and a spot which would be fairly easily to cut off supplies from.

No, that article was not the one.

This article on intervention in the Winter War was what I was referring to. You seem to have found it. However, the ideas present here are not realistic, and would not have been undertaken. It also would have gotten Norway and Sweden against them, but not dragged the Soviets into an "alliance" with the Germans - they wouldn't be joining the Axis, nor any arrangement be permanent by any means. The two going to war is basically a given - just a question of when, and which one invades the other to start it.

An arrangement of convenience, if you would. Nothing more, nothing less - like their otl Treaty. Them actually joining the Axis just wouldn't happen.

Operation Pike is more likely the cause. It's actually realistic.

Not even close to why Hitler did it. The Germans, in fact, had more than enough fuel from the small fields in Germany, the large ones in Romania, and whatever fuel they and the Italians could get from Libya. He did if for "living space," ideology, decades-old German goals, and his own, and that of many of his party members, extreme personal hatred of "Slavs."

The USSR offering cheap oil has no effect, and had absolutely nothing to do with the otl problems with an arrangement.

Again - no Treaty is going to be signed in 1937, for anything. No Japan arrangement would not change the Soviet goals.

No amount of pressure is going to get Norway and Sweden to cave. It is just not going to happen.

Again - Germany isn't going to be invading Estonia.

A declaration of war has to actually pass through both chambers of Congress.

Roosevelt isn't going to be making a demand like that over one liner, or even several. Especially not that early.

Lordganon (talk) 06:33, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

Whitworth actually got that otl. The Allied Fleet crushed the German Navy.

Heck, the Allied forces deployed to the area even on land vastly outnumbered the Germans. They were on the verge of actually forcing a German surrender when they had to be withdrawn otl.

Nor would they be "occupying" anything - and you forget entirely that Sweden is still in the way, so any intervention isn't possible.

Finns would sign the treaty irregardless. There's nothing the Allies could do to help them before the Soviets took all Finland, and the Finns knew it.

The Admiral's warning wouldn't be just about passenger liners - but about all neutral shipping.

Lordganon (talk) 21:17, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

Most of his generals, in fact, did not want to go through Central Belgium. Nor did Hitler. And with good reason, given the problems in WWI and the areas where Allied troops were. An attack on that axis just wouldn't happen.

Yes, the Nazis had a "plan" for it. Doesn't mean that was any chance of it actually happening.

The USSR invading Japan would not be a PoD.

Allies aren't going to be winning battles like that. There's a reason why the Germans made progress otl. Yes, they can win battles - but nowhere near like you're writing.

The Brits aren't going to just leave Norway like that without a reason. They hold all the advantages without events like otl making them leave.

Lordganon (talk) 07:31, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

If you look at Allied planning, and where they anticipated having their forces, they actually expected, in most ways, the Germans to attack somewhere in the region that they did otl. The Germans just struck with so much force, and in two locations at nearly the same time, contrary to their expectations, that the Allies could do little with their inadequate forces to stop it.

Really, about the only part of that that they failed to heed was the parts about airborne and glider landings. And that was so radical, that it was realistic for them to not believe it. The landings only achieved their success through sheer shock and surprise. The casualties and failures involved with later operations of that nature speak for themselves.

If the Allies hadn't moved into Belgium, then the end would have come faster. And it would have been far west of Dunkirk where the Allies would have been evacuating in that scenario.

Pita, you're entirely ignoring why they didn't like his plan. It concentrated almost all of their armored forces into a small area, and created major potential for a supply problem. They didn't hate it overall, just that part of it.

And, for that matter, the attack otl did go into Belgium - and not in any small way, either.

The generals would not have agreed on an attack like you describe. They weren't stupid - there's no way they would have done an attack exactly like what they attempted in WWI again.

If the Brits stay in Narvik, it only makes in harder for the Germans to get their ore delivered. It doesn't cut them off from it. It will, however, make it easier for the Brits to get some of it.

Lordganon (talk) 03:28, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

...If Chamberlain had done that, war would have started over Czechoslovakia instead of Poland. Just under a year ahead of otl.

And a delay of 5-6 months would have meant a German invasion of France and the Low Countries in the middle of winter. Three guesses how that would have went, and the probability of such an attack being launched then in the first place.

Lordganon (talk) 04:55, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

The Germans would have ended up stuck in Czechoslovakia. Without being able to devote full strength to that front - have to have some troops on the French border, after all - and the Czechs having both better defenses and equipment than the Poles did, it would take quite some time for the Germans to take it. Really, they may not be able to even take the area in that context, depending on the French, and even to some degree the Poles.

Eventually, they'd have taken the area. I'm pretty confidant of that. Would have been a lot of dead Germans, however, and their efforts afterwards would be significantly delayed by shortages.

Yes, Operation Pike would have led to some degree of warfare between them - but, really, very little. About all it does is deprive the Germans of a massive frontline. Nor would an alliance happen - at most there is an arrangement made between the two.

The resources the Brits and their allies save by not sending supplies to the Soviets - and the extra ones the Americans would send to them for much the same reason - would more than make up for things.

Basically, the Brits get more staying power, but an invasion of the continent becomes far more difficult.

And, if you're thinking they would, the Soviets wouldn't commit any troops to German activities - and probably not anywhere else, either.

Lordganon (talk) 21:01, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

If the Germans have to invade Czechoslovakia and the war starts early, there is entirely no way that Operation Pike gets carried out. The Soviets would have been at war with the Germans. Lordganon (talk) 22:26, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Dean Map Game Note
could you do a Allied-Bulgarain Algorithm please, Italy has 103,000 troops and 98 tanks as well as 135 bombers and fighters. Proud Leader of the Althistory Revolution (User talk:DeanSims)  23:40, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

can u have both the Grec and Bulgarian Wars posted at the same time, it seems I take about 8% of eac country, so could you post both algorithms please, cuz Im realy happy. Proud Leader of the Althistory Revolution (User talk:DeanSims)  23:48, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

TURKEY, HUNGARY, AND YUGOSLAVIA

AvA Reloaded
They seem fine, but unless I've missed something (I'm not an algorithm mod), some of these numbers aren't being added up correctly. As for the pixel counter, is the program online or downloadable? ChrisL123 (talk) 00:32, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Algorithm Revision
I wouldn't revise alot. I would suggest to return to the old chance system, since the new one I feel is more meant for PMII then for Axis vs Allies. Enclavehunter (talk) 23:55, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

As I said, that my opinion. Enclavehunter (talk) 00:00, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

Hafsid pixels
Hey Pita, don't mean to bother you, but I tried using ImageJ and I virtually have no clue how it or the pixel-counter works. Could you possibly find out how many pixels Hafsid Tunisia has on the PMII map, so I can figure out how much territorial possession the Papal States can get? Thanks! ChrisL123 (talk) 00:00, September 12, 2012 (UTC)

Axis vs Allies reloaded Sino-Japanese War
i need to algorithems for the northern front out of manchuria and another for the southern with Siamese and Japanese forces fighting against China. Nkbeeching

we will be leaving it as a joint occupation your welcome in if you like. after the war we will take a few coastal cities each and turn the rest of the counquered territories into a series of puppet states like manchuria under E.A.T.S.P. influence, also forever breaking china's place as the major asian power.

Um Indochina is japanese it was purchased from France and i turned it into a puppet state while retaining Tonkin and Southern China is under joint Siamese-Japanese Occupation read previous turns. Nkbeeching

Yes, I am, but I have way too much homework. Also, can you give America a provocation? I'm itching to join the war! Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 01:44, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

PM II
I'm have other issues on my plate (Ainu and Japanese Pirates/Ryūkyū Kingdom) and plus, Lady Satori Komeiji (aka Japanese Government) wasn't planning on interfering anyway. No need to worry. :] -Kogasa 2012年9月29日 22:53:26 (JST)

Soviet Axis
It looks good from what I can see, I'm now WWII expert so I can't comment on the plausibility, but the quality is fairly good. Like every other timeline, the more content the merrier! :) LurkerLordB (Talk) 21:49, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

No way they postpone it.

Pita, at best invading Czechoslovakia would take far longer than that.

In Fall Grun, for instance, where there is no support from the west, and the Czechs do get ganged up on somewhat, the conquest takes five and a half months. Without those two factors? Like a year, at best.

Lordganon (talk) 22:54, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, conflict was inevitable. With the people in power that were in power, it was just a question of when. Nor would killing off either Hitler or Stalin change that - both their flunkies and deputies would have done it at some point too.

If you go with a failed Munich Agreement, the timeline name depends on exactly what reason they have to not go through with it.

Lordganon (talk) 23:09, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Either the French President or the British PM grow a backbone, or Hitler for some reason does something stupid. Lordganon (talk) 23:23, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Pita, it needs to be either the French President of the British PM. Not both. Either Chamberlain decides against appeasement, or the French President decides to not "follow his lead" like otl - and there needs to be a reason for either to do it.

Nothing to do with "Green" in the title. Or "Munich Agreement" - we already have timelines around here with similar names.

As I said, the "reason" should be the name.

Lordganon (talk) 23:00, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

That'd be a start - but how would he get it, and why would he listen to it? Lordganon (talk) 22:26, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

...Speer was only an architect for the Nazi Party until 1942. No assistant of his would have that kind of info, especially that early on.

Saying that the Brits randomly got such an agent is at best gaming, anyways. Would also change events far in advance of Munich, too.

Have a look into those who resisted Hitler later on. May well be that one of them suffered, or almost suffered, a major reversal around 1938 because of Hitler. I know that foreign minister Konstantin von Neurath, retained under the Nazis until early 1938, for instance, would be one such person. I\m sure that there is more.

Lordganon (talk) 20:53, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

WTF Pita?
What the hell did I do to deserve this? Are you still made about how I stole your colonial empire out from under you? That still doesn't justify trying to staight-up destroy my nation, as all I did was steal a few colonies.

Yank 16:41, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Ok but im not in a war with them. Nkbeeching

Just to let you know that I'd like to keep the ATL version of Vladivostok if possible. It's my main pacific port.

Yank 21:57, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I've just been distract is all. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 20:02, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

OK and OK. Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 23:27, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

A Darker Place
ill need help with making the maps for the timeline. would you be willing to give me a hand?

ill send you rough sketches of the borders and you do what you can, again only if you want if not no worries. my hands are tied with work so i cant really learn the stuff.Nkbeeching

Blog
Did LG seem a little... overbearing to you? I felt like he was yelling at us. CourageousLife (talk) 01:36, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

Stubs
Needs to have less info that the ones you're attaching them to. That's about the size of it. Lordganon (talk) 21:04, October 8, 2012 (UTC)