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Random Ideas to be Worked on Later

 * Gorizont:Gorizont – Alaskan Airlines:0 (Горизонт – Аляскинские авиалинии, Gorizont - Alyaskinskiye avialinii)
 * (OTL)
 * (OTL)
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 * File:Russian_Sloop-of-War_Neva.jpg


 * Replace the Alaskan chervonets:chervonets:0 with the ? (new symbol = ₴)


 * Rather than going to either Mexico or the Russian Empire, the s instead trek to where they would be isolated and protected. Borealia:0:0 would now have a distinctive Utah-esque feel to it.


 * With China:0:0 being part of the Axis, and  remain out of China today.  may also remain French to this day.
 * Unlike OTL, China ignores Portugal's neutrality and occupies Macau. Following its liberation, Portugal is allowed to expand Macau's territory into China (at least making it as large as Hong Kong).


 * Given the chaotic aftermath of World War II, it might be very interesting to see break-off of China. Because the island was a hotbed for communism, it might be interesting to see a Taiwan-like situation where Chinese communists flee and develop the island beyond OTL.


 * I may be re-canonizing the division of Germany following World War II.
 * The British Zone is organized into a new, with a restored.
 * The Soviet Zone is organized into a communist Prussia.
 * is the independent nation of.
 * The northern portions of the American and French Zones are incorporated into an independent.
 * Bavaria remains the same (just independent).
 * is completely annexed by France.


 * In Ice Hockey, several Alaskan teams have joined the (KHL).
 * All of the Alaskan teams are included in their own division within the . Based on KHL standards, this could be called the "Gretzky Division"?
 * With Alaskan teams joining, more nations participate in the KHL by today.
 * An Alaskan team may have won the Gagarin Cup recently.
 * The KHL may have surpassed the NHL by today.


 * Fictitious Ideas


 * The following ideas are based around how some works of fiction would be altered due to this timeline (basically how authors could see their worlds ATL).


 * There is a small chance that could be Alaskan in this timeline (if his parents opt to go there instead of Boston). If this is the case, Nimoy may still get into acting and possibly could be cast in Star Trek. His character, Spock, could've developed differently. One possibility is that he may possess a distinctive Russian accent, which may make 's character,, an unneeded character (as a "Russian character" would exist).
 * With Japan being an ally (not to mention the likely absence of Asian Americans to a degree), 's character,, may not come into development (as Japanese-American relations are... decent). There is also a slim possibility that Takei could be an Alaskan in this timeline (depending on his father's actions).
 * ' character,, could potentially still be written as an "Alaskan," meaning his character may be developed differently. Possible alternate name: "Vassily Riker" (Riker is a surname of German origin).
 * ' character,, could potentially still be written as an "Alaskan," meaning his character may be developed differently. Possible alternate name: "Vassily Riker" (Riker is a surname of German origin).

List of Potential Alaskans

 * To Check-Out later


 * ?
 * ? (maybe, maybe not?)
 * (possibility) (Igor Warren?)
 * (Nirvana)
 * ?
 * ? (maybe, maybe not?)
 * (possibility) (Igor Warren?)
 * (Nirvana)
 * ? (maybe, maybe not?)
 * (possibility) (Igor Warren?)
 * (Nirvana)
 * (Nirvana)

Olympic games held in Alaska

 * &mdash; (bid)
 * &mdash; (offered)
 * &mdash; (bid)
 * &mdash; (bid)
 * &mdash; (won)


 * Updates


 * Given that Vancouver was a loosing bid in 1976 (being in fourth place) and Whistler was only offered the games after Coloradans voted against hosting the games. Likely just leave this alone.


 * I'm rather surprised that Anchorage not only bid to host the games, but did surprisingly well in almost winning the games in 1992 and 1994 (with talks of future bids for the 2020s). While weak in '92, its bid for the '94 games showed success, winning third place (beating Sofia, Bulgaria). Given that the city would be part of nation that hasn't hosted the games by this point (Noway hosted the games in 1952 and Sweden in 1912), Alaska may win in '94. Anchorage wouldn't exist ATL, so likely it would be either Saint Nicholas (Kenai) or Vasiliysk (Wasilla). The former is more popular IMHO.


 * It is already canon that Vladikaskady (Eugene) hosts the 2010 games. Though I'm now debating whether to have it hosted in New Westminster:0:0 instead (which is OTL Vancouver).

Alaskan and Russian Antarctica

 * See also: File:All Antarctic Claims past and present.PNG and Expeditions map



With a larger say globally, the Russian Empire would stake a larger say in Antarctica (nothing major, just more than OTL). This will culminate in Russia formalizing their claims by the early 1900s. The Russians would claim the areas discovered and charted by (who was the first European to sight the continent in 1820), which correspond roughly to the same area currently under dispute between Argentina, Chile, and the United Kingdom (OTL).

After the collapse of the Russian Empire, both Alaska and the Soviet Union claim the territory. Aside from both sides moving to legitimize their claim with surveys and stunts (not to mention the collapse of the USSR), nothing has been done to resolve this dispute (at least between these two).

For the most part, the rest of Antarctica would be the same. The only exceptions would be that Alaska and Russia make claims (in which the Antarctic Peninsula is now disputed by five state), Peter I Island is not claimed by Norway, and the US goes further and claims.


 * Historic notes


 * Prior to the collapse of the Russian Empire, its Antarctic claims were not organized into a territory. The Alaskans and the Soviets would be the first to organize it.


 * "Alaskan Antarctic Territory"


 * Under Alaskan law, their Antarctic territory is an "organized unincorporated oblast." In affect, this makes their Antarctic claim similar to how Guam and Puerto Rico act within the United States (OTL).
 * Under the Alaskan constitution, an oblast is regarded similarly to how they were under the Russian Empire (i.e., a territory).


 * A base within the claim may act as a capital of sorts, though the majority of the territorial governing would be done in Alaska (likely New Archangel).


 * Potential names (aside from the "Alaskan Antarctic Territory") could be "Alexander Land" (based on the historic name of Alexander I Island). I will be ignoring any name based on "Bellingshausen" (due to my other timelines and projects which use the name ).


 * "Soviet/Russian Antarctic Territory"


 * Under the Soviet Union, the territory may likely be administrated as part of the Russian SFSR (i.e., not a union-wide territory, or is at least vague in this respect). Maybe something along the lines of an "autonomous krai" (krai commonly being translated as "territory"). See also .


 * After the collapse, the Russian Federation would take control of the territory. Under Russian law, it may be similar (in comparison) to what and  are to Russia (but considered more a part of Russia). The term "autonomous krai" or "autonomous territory" may remain in affect.

Alaskan dialects of the Russian language


The within Alaska:0:0 is divided into several dialects which vary across the nation. In general, Alaskan Russian is partially similar to the dialects spoken in the Russian Far East. As a whole, the dialects combine elements from, , , , , , and the many native Alaskan languages.

The following list is a rough idea, combining vague boundaries and names. I also included how I would envision these dialects to be acted upon the Alaskan people.


 * Aleutian &mdash; Comprised of the islands of Aleutia:0:0, the dialects combines many elements of the . Due in part to its isolation from the rest of the nation, the dialect is often described as being hard to understand (especially by Russian speakers) and is often described as being a creole language. The best example would be how distinctive -speakers are to other English speakers. This dialect may also have its roots with the of OTL.


 * Beringian &mdash; Spoken in Bering:0:0, Shelikof:0:0, and parts of New Irkutsk:0:0; the dialects is mostly centered around the Bering Sea and the river systems which flow to it. Colloquially, this dialects is often described as a "traitorous" and "communist" speech. This is due to this being the core of the Alaskan Socialist Republic:0:0, and can be seen similar to how can be seen in the US.


 * Yukonian &mdash; Spoken in the Far North:0:0, the Yukon:0:0, and the core of New Irkutsk:0:0; the dialect focuses on the Upper Yukon River region. In many cases, the dialect is betrayed as being a "prospector" or "mountain man" dialect. It should also be noted that the growing diversity in the Far North can make this area vague in what dialect it is.


 * Gulf &mdash; Spoken in Kenai:0:0, Kodiak:0:0, southern New Irkutsk:0:0, and possibly parts of Shelikof:0:0; this dialect is the direct decedent of/or is the dialect (which is slowly going extinct OTL). The dialect is often seen as being "religious" in nature (once again comparing it to Southern American English).


 * New Russian &mdash; Spoken in Charlotte:0:0, New Archangel:0:0, New Caledonia:0:0, Sitka:0:0, Tongass:0:0, and Yakutat:0:0; this dialect stretches across New Russia (focusing more on the Alexander Archipelago and coastal mountains). Because of the large immigration from Fenno-Scandinavia, this dialect combines many Scandinavian and Finnish words. For better or worse, this dialect is often described as being political.


 * Columbian &mdash; Spoken in Columbia:0:0 and Vancouver:0:0, this dialect focuses on the northern bank of the Columbia River, the lower Fraser River, and the . English plays a key role in the dialect. It is often described as being the "New Albion" or "Doug" dialect.


 * Oregonian &mdash; Spoken in western Oregon:0:0 (mostly the region).


 * Idahoan &mdash; Spoken across Idaho:0:0 and the Oregon:Oregon Panhandle:0, this dialect focuses on the and upper Columbia River. This dialect may have great influence from the  dialect. It's often betrayed as being "hillbilly" in nature, as well as being the dialect of Alaskan Mormons.


 * Sonoman &mdash; Spoken in Sonoma:0:0. The way I see this dialect would be like asking a Russian to mimic a Californian accent (dude, rad, gnarly, etc.). It's often betrayed as being "hippie" in nature.

Possibilities

 * The Cyrillic letter "" is pronounced more like a (i.e., the English letter "") as opposed to the standard  (the "ch" in Scottish loch).

New Idea for Mexico

 * Mexico still becomes an empire under Iturbide. Spain still doesn't recognize their independence.


 * Spain moves to remove the [now numerous] Russian settlements in California, now under the hopes of eliminating another threat and beginning a new campaign to retake Mexico. This mission fails.


 * Russia quickly begins talks with Mexico, with both forming an alliance. Russia recognizes the Empire (if they already hadn't OTL).


 * The end of the war results in both Spain relinquishing their claims to the Pacific Northwest over to Russia and recognize the independence of Mexico.


 * Following this, Russia may either help to persuade a Bourbon to take over the thrown of Mexico. Or alternatively, Russia backs the legitimacy of Iturbide, who (very likely) gained national support due in great part to the war.


 * Mexico still sells Sonoma to Russia, and would later agree to sell (parts of) Texas to the United States (probably under Russian pressure).


 * The Mexican Revolution still takes place (now coinciding with the Russian Revolution) and Mexico becomes a republic by today.

Demographics of Alaska
I'm fairly certain that all national groups would exist within Alaska in some form or another. Yet the following lists those groups who are the most numerous.


 * Groups from the former Russian Empire




 * Groups who are Orthodox Christians




 * Groups from Europe




 * Groups from the Americas




 * Groups from Asia and Oceania



Political Parties in Alaska

 * The Two-Major Parties


 * Evergreen Party (Вечнозелёная партия, Vyechnozyelyonaya partiya) &mdash; ,


 * Peace Party (Мирная партия, Mirnaya partiya) &mdash; ,


 * General Ideas

The Evergreen Party began as a coalition between Alaska's and the homegrown Blue Movement. The Whites favored and, while the Blues favored  and. Both sides were and agreed to co-operate as a way of keeping communism forever out of Alaska. The Evergreens are adamantly pro-American and (for a period of time) followed the actions of to fight communism. Since the 1960s, the Evergreens have become far more in nature, favoring small government and securing the rights of the governorates. The Evergreens have supported the expansion of Alaska's oil infrastructure.

The Peace Party was a response to the Evergreens in the 1950s as a unified left-wing force. The party included, , and. The party favors Alaskan neutrality and peaceful relations with all nations, though supporting a pro-Russia stance. Members favor a stronger federal government and the protection of the which has been established. The Peace Party is predominantly against the expansion of Alaska's oil industry, favoring the protection and preservation of the environment.


 * Possible New Parties

A "Party of the Dougs" (POTD?) may exist, favoring the of the English-speaking Alaskans. They may also be politically similar to the ?

New Layout of Alaskan Governorates

 * Timeline


 * The American Governorate-General (Американское генерал-губернаторство), also referred to as the American Krai (Американская край), was established as a formal entity within the Russian Empire in the 1830s. The territory would be divided into three.


 * The Oregon Oblast (Орегонская область) included all the territory south of the . was the administrative center.


 * The New Russia Oblast (Новороссийская обласеь) included all the territory north of the and southeast of the .  was the administrative capital.


 * The Alaska Oblast (Аляскинская область) included what remained of the territory. was the administrative center.


 * The Sonoma Oblast (Сономинская область) would be established following the discovery of gold. Its included all the territory south of the . With (Fort) Ross being within the oblast, Oregon's administrative center is relocated to.


 * The Columbia Oblast (Колумбийская область) was established following the purchase of Britain's colonies in the Pacific Northwest.


 * New Names for the Independent Alaskan States


 * Alaskan Republic:0:0 → Alaskan Republic (Аляскинская Республика)


 * Republic of Oregon:0:0 → Oregonian Republic (Орегонская Республика)


 * Alaskan Socialist Republic:0:0 → Alaskan Socialist Republic (Аляскинская Социалистическая Республика)


 * Democratic Republic of New Russia:0:0 → Alaskan Democratic Republic (Аляскинская Демократическая Республика)


 * Republic of New Albion:0:0 → Commonwealth of Columbia (Содружество Колумбии)


 * People's Republic of Sonoma:0:0 → Sonoman People's Republic (Сономинская Народная Республика)


 * Alaskan Constitutions


 * I'm now thinking that contemporary Alaska would've gone through several constitutions during its short existence.


 * The first constitution (1929-1931?) was more comparable to the in which its constituent members (at the time only two) still acted as sovereign states with a weaker federal government. A possible structure of this constitution may have had "Alaska" (if that's what they referred to this entity as, at the time) be a  (similar to Switzerland). This system was temporarily used in revolutionary Russia and Ukraine for a period, and it shouldn't be too far fetched to see Alaskans use this system too. Such a directory may have been based on the member states as opposed to a specific field, meaning this system doesn't achieve the desired goals.


 * The second constitution (1931-1940s?) would be the first true establishment of Alaska as a federal and sovereign state. The directory would've been abandoned for a singular presidency who is democratically elected. This constitution still treated the former nations as sovereign to an extend, thereby ignoring regionalism. This constitution also made it very easy for new member states to be admitted, during which time two more did.


 * The third and current constitution (1940s onward) was adopted following the defeat of communism in North America. This constitution authorized the for the occupation of formerly communist lands for a specific period of time (a la ) and would divide the nation into regional governorates.


 * When the Alaskan Left took control in the late 1950s, there were proposals for a new constitution based more on equality. This was not done, instead setting the precedent of adopting new amendments to achieve the same goals. Among the noted amendments would include the banning of federal troops being used to occupy Alaskan territory (no more occupation of Shelikof), declaring Alaska's total neutrality in all outside conflicts (Alaskan neutrality). Other possibilities may be a non-discrimination amendment (ending McCarthyism).

New Formal Names of the Governorates
I'm currently thinking that the two English-dominated governorates would formally refer to themselves as "provinces" (though this wouldn't change their federal standing). Also, given that these names were formally used since the 1800s, the names "Queen Charlotte Island" and "Vancouver Island" would colloquially be used.

But in regards to Russian speakers, nothing would really change. Given the language commonly shortens everything, they would do the same here. So Russian-speakers would say "Charlotte Governorate" and "Vancouver Governorate" formally (the colloquial names may also be used in common Russian).

The non-English governorates would remain the same (for the most part).

New Provincial Capitals

 * Still Likely


 * Aleutia:0:0 &mdash; (Уналашка)
 * Columbia:0:0 &mdash; (Нью-Уэстминстер)
 * Kodiak:0:0 &mdash; (Павловская)
 * Oregon:0:0 &mdash; (Владикаскады)
 * Queen Charlotte Islands:0:0 &mdash; (Скидегейт)
 * Shelikof:0:0 &mdash; (Нушагак)
 * Vancouver Island:0:0 &mdash; (Виктория)
 * Yakutat:0:0 &mdash; (Славороссийск)


 * New Capital Names


 * Sitka:0:0 &mdash; (Пильцбург)
 * Yukon:0:0 &mdash; (Давыдовск)


 * New Capital Locations


 * Idaho:0:0 &mdash; (Москва)
 * Kenai:0:0 &mdash; (Дорошиногорск)
 * New Caledonia:0:0 &mdash; (Хагенсборг)
 * New Irkutsk:0:0 &mdash; (Минчумина)
 * Sonoma:0:0 &mdash; (Две Реки)
 * Tongass:0:0 &mdash; (Домовой)

Alaskan Missile Crisis

 * This crisis will now take place in October 1959.


 * will now be the sitting President of Alaska during the crisis. will still hold some position within the cabinet (likely "Secretary of Defense"). During this same time, both houses of Congress would be controlled by the Evergreens (with conservatives holding the leadership).


 * Throughout the 1950s, a wave of swept across Alaskan politics (possibly more intense than in the United States).


 * Similar to OTL, Warren would focus on infrastructure. Many such projects were done specifically to prepare Alaska in the event of a nuclear war (likely causing more hysteria).


 * Warren's administration also sought to get closer with the United States, especially in regards to the military. During these talks, a secret operation come about which would allow American nuclear-equipped submarines and possible launch sites to be constructed in the Aleutian Islands. The Alaskan public had no say in the matter.


 * The Soviet Union stumbles upon the operation during preparations. Khrushchev opts to confront the Americans by ordering a blockade of the Bering Sea. The wrong move could now lead to World War III.


 * The crisis ends with the Americans agreeing to leave Alaskan territory (as well as to remove missiles in Turkey). The Khrushchev is seen as a "hero" in that the USSR acted to prevent "American aggression."


 * While they never would've gotten directly involved, Japan would've also viewed American missiles in Alaska as being a threat to their territory. Japan would've likely sided with the USSR during the crisis.


 * The crisis quickly pushed all Alaskans to demand neutrality within the Cold War. The Peace Party is formed shortly afterwards, winning the government in 1961.


 * Other Notes


 * was a veteran of the during the . This could easily be replaced with the Alaskan Civil War, with Kardash fighting for the Alaskan Socialist Republic.

General Congress of Alaska

 * Terms


 * The name General Congress (Генеральный съезд, Gyenyeral'nyy s'yezd) is in honor of Mexico's legislature (Congreso General). The name is also in accordance with Russian grammar, as the word s'yezd ("congress") is a very broad term, as opposed to kongress (which I'd prefer not to use). Think of it as being akin to the phrase "General Assembly" (where the word assembly is also broad in definition).


 * The name State Duma (Государственная дума, Gosudarstvyennaya duma) is in honor of the of the Imperial Russian parliament. Despite the differences (ATL), I believe a state duma would still be established (though slightly different). Similar to the above reasons, the word duma in Russian has a broad definition. Referring to it as a state duma clarifies its purpose (once again, akin to "General Assembly").


 * The name Senate (Сенат, Syenat) is named in honor of the many Senates existing within the Americas (such as the ).


 * Terms and Elections


 * Bold = Presidential election also taking place


 * 1) 1929 (1st constitution)
 * 2) 1931 (2nd constitution)
 * 3) 1934
 * 4) 1937
 * 5) 1940 (~3rd constitution)
 * 6) 1943
 * 7) 1946
 * 8) 1949
 * 9) 1952
 * 10) 1955
 * 11) 1958
 * 12) 1961
 * 13) 1964
 * 14) 1967
 * 15) 1970
 * 16) 1973
 * 17) 1976
 * 18) 1979
 * 19) 1982
 * 20) 1985
 * 21) 1988
 * 22) 1991
 * 23) 1994
 * 24) 1997
 * 25) 2000
 * 26) 2003
 * 27) 2006
 * 28) 2009
 * 29) 2012
 * 30) 2015


 * Election Notes


 * Federal elections take place on the last Tuesday of the month of July. The elected officials are then inaugurated on the first day of Autumn (in September).


 * Party Colors


 * {{legend|#01796F|Evergreen Party &mdash; }}
 * {{legend|#C0362C|Peace Party &mdash; (Golden Gate Bridge)}}
 * {{legend|#7851A9|Party of the Dougs &mdash; }}


 * The colors or  are commonly used to denote swing districts (akin to s).

Alaskan Grivna
The new currency for Alaska shall be named the "grivna" (: гривна). The contemporary symbol for the Ukrainian hryvnia (₴) shall also be used for Alaska, with a differing history.

The currency would not depict contemporaries but rather historic figures of Alaskan history. Such as, , , and (among others).

Ideas for New Archangel

 * Landmarks


 * Located on will be [colloquially named] Baranof's Castle (Замок Баранова, Zamok Baranova). The mansion would not burn down in the 1890s and today would've been modernized. Once the residence of the Governor of Russian America during colonial times, the site is now the residence of the President of Alaska (akin to the ).


 * Expanded Universe


 * It is likely that projects would've been done in order to expand the city limits (due to the mountains in the northeast). The coastline may be unrecognizable compared to OTL.


 * Tunneling projects may have also been done to assure easy and fast connections between the national capital and the mainland.<!--

have been done to expand the city's limited territory.

projects likely would've taken place during the use of

Once the residence of the Russian governor, the mansion is now the residence of the Alaskan governor

will reside the old Gov

will be the old Governor's


 * No More Federal Capital Territory?


 * New Archangel would still be the national capital due to its history and central location within Alaska.


 * Proposals of making the city a federal district gained opposition from New Archangelians and the Sitkan government. City residence feared loosing their voting rights (similar to Washington, DC) and being isolated from nearby communities. Sitka opposed this because they didn't wish to relocate their provincial government or to loose a key port.


 * This issue was kicked down the line for decade before the issue was resolved in the 1950s.


 * The city of New Archangel would host both the federal and provincial governments of Alaska and Sitka (respectively).


 * The city would likely gain special status within Sitka (an independent city?), but still located within the governorate. City residence would participate in federal, provincial, and municipal elections as citizens of a Sitkan city.


 * Federal buildings and property would be limited to the specific building in question, include the buildings for Congress and the President.


 * This option is comparable to Ottawa's place within Canada and has also been proposed as an option for the District of Columbia's statehood question.


 * More Ideas for New Archangel


 * The best way I can describe the geography of this city is that it's located solely along the coast of a very mountainous peninsula which (for all intents and purposes) is isolated from other settlements.


 * As a "city slicker" who favors skyscrapers and bustling metropolises, here are a few ideas to make the city more "livable" for my liking.


 * I believe I've already brought this up with LG (who stated it was workable), Alaska would've spend the past few decades constructing tunnels, bridges, and causeways across the to connect the islands (more so New Archangel) with the rest of the nation.


 * Additional tunnels may be build within mountains to allow easier land access for these islands (New Archangel being a likely candidate).


 * Given the mountains located to its northeast, I could also see projects being done to expand the available land for the city (especially if its going to be more populous than OTL).  is a likely candidate as it hosts the city's airport (which would no doubt be larger and handle international flights).

The "New Archangel Kremlin (: Новоархангельский Кремль, Novoarkhangyel'skiy Kreml ' ) is an idea that recently popped in my head. Such a fortress would've been constructed during the 19th Century to protect vital buildings from Alaskan Natives and Foreign Powers. Today, the fortress is the center for the Alaskan federal government, akin to the or the.


 * Included Structures


 * (ATL presidential residence)


 * General Details


 * Construction may have begun in the mid 1800s. The walls may have been relocated following.


 * The primary purpose of the fortress were to protect Russia's control over the Pacific Northwest. The fortress was also designed to protect key institutions from attacks (which may become more common as Russia's control expands) and a possible invasion by the United Kingdom (such as during the ).-->

Russian Revolution

 * Amerikanik (Американик, Американство) &mdash; Originally referred to someone who favored complete independence of Russian America from Russia. Currently refers to Alaskans who favor closer ties with the United States (and broadly the Western Hemisphere).


 * Rodnik (Родник, Родство) &mdash; Originally referred to someone who favored the continuation of Russian America being within Russia. Currently refers to Alaskans who favor closer ties with the Russian Federation (and Eurasia in general).
 * The word rodnik means "spring" in Russian, but still stems from the same root word rodina (motherland). I don't believe there should be any issues.

Alaskan Directorate Idea

 * An "executive council" will be democratically elected and will be a body which assists the President (though the President has final say).


 * This council could consist of nine directors, each elected from one of nine equally-populous districts established across Alaska.


 * Elections for this council will take place during mid-term elections, so as to allow a balance of power.