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What's going on?
I've been having a hard time lately with the wiki. Images barely load, I can't edit or publish anything, and sometimes I get blank screens despite being fully loaded. What is going on?

Canuck2012 (talk) 02:26, March 2, 2013 (UTC)Canuck2012

Wikia's having issues. They actually announced it this time, too, so whatever it is, it must be significant. Will be over in a few days, I'm sure. Lordganon (talk) 11:39, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Issues? I'm having none... but I'm using the monobook skin so that's probably why. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 20:13, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Canuck, do you use IE? Sometimes, the older version cannot cope up, and Chrome usually solves the problem. Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:22, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah I've been having many problems, using any of my 3 browsers (Opera, Chrome & IE).. Hence I've not bothered doing anything here the past couple of days. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 20:43, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, this is the problem which was happening yesterday. Its been fixed I think :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:47, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

It goes on and off for me. Been waiting all day for a chance to make edits.

IE, Chrome, Opera, and Safari are all having the problem for me.

At first, I thought it was my computer. So then I used my desktop. Then I thought it was my network, so I tried using a school computer. Now I'm stucking refreshing pages and waiting.

Also, Pita, Monobook is having problems too.

21:02, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

It's the JavaScript. Mine didn't work Thursday, so I sent an error report, then it worked Friday, and then it wouldn't work today, so I sent an error report, and now it's back up again. Is there any way that the penalties for not posting on a map game can be lessened due to technical difficulties? CourageousLife (talk) 21:26, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

It has been acting up on my end. I couldn't edit pages yesterday and earlier today. Seems to be working fine now. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 06:10, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

Wikia announced earlier today that the javascript problems had been fixed. Should be the end of troubles with editing, for now. Lordganon (talk) 07:15, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

Glad that's cleared up. And I use Chrome by the way. IE's too much of a pain nowadays, it seems.

Canuck2012 (talk) 17:37, March 9, 2013 (UTC)Canuck2012

I still can't edit the forums.

Not sure if that's related though.             "Very funny, Scotty.   Now beam down my clothes."

Like with any of their problems, I expect it will be a few weeks before it clears up entirely.

...And you still have the "signature." It needs to go, Guns.

Lordganon (talk) 09:11, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

SonnyPatton
Wow, this is truly hilarious.

I recently got a message from SonnyPatton that he had moved my Great White South timeline over to his site in order to make it into a game. He gave me this link, which apparently I can not view (apparently I am blocked for some reason, maybe someone else can see it?). I informed him that I did not want him to do this, and asked him to kindly remove it. He then replied trying to justify his actions, and I once again told him to remove the (unseen) content. Than THIS (I especially love the GIF).

I have given him my thoughts on the matter, and now I have blocked him. I am allowing him to be able to edit his talk page, only because I want to see what he plans to say in response.

I blocked him for a week, because of his wonderful comment to me, but also his comment to ImperiumGuy after he stood up for me. I assume I have no objections to this. I would also highly recommend extending the block much longer, but I feel a week is an initial start and it can be extended if needed. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 01:40, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Just as an update, this is what I see when I click on this link. At this point, I honestly don't care what is on that page, but just showing that I am blocked. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 03:41, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

The guy's an idiot - unless you are registered on his forum, you cannot see anything on it. Interesting that he found your IP to block it, though.

A permanent ban is a good plan. I also took the liberty, as per protocol, and since he was banned forever, to delete all his works on this site.

Lordganon (talk) 08:21, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Wow, what an asshole... I think he was just trolling, though. No one's that stupid. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 14:40, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, how I wish you were right.

There is people that stupid.

Lordganon (talk) 08:42, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism
Some user named "Branbran64" has continuous vandalized the Night of the Living Alternate History (Map Game) page. His most recent attack has been posting "Eddie ands jon r butthurt so much they cant walk 'cause they have full anuses" several hundred times. He has wrote several messages, including one that sexually harrassed another user, and he appears to not be done. If some one could ban him that would be great. Mscoree (talk) 01:02, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

You two seem to share a few favorite wikis. Know each other from somewhere? CrimsonAssassin (talk) 05:46, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Banned for a very lengthy period. Lordganon (talk) 12:02, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Gl78064
I have been noticing that a user by the name of Gl78064 has been doing nothing but uploading flags (and a video) to this site. Not creating or editing articles, just uploading flags and a video (mostly related to Texas and Mexico). I commented him a while back about duplications, and have not seen a response.

The main reason I am bringing this up is because his actions remind me of Sunlord (which I brought up back in December). Not saying these two are the same guy, but that if he is not responding to comments and is only uploading files with no rhyme or reason, this seems suspicious. Not sure what to make of this, but if this is anything like before, this gradual uploading for no reason will continue. Any thoughts? --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 03:56, April 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Lets see what his intentions are. He could just be getting acquainted with the wiki, although the similarities does seem pretty suspicious. [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imp (Say Hi?!) 09:03, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

I highly doubt he is "getting acquainted" here, but I do agree that it is too early to say. But as of recently, he has re-uploaded a file that I told him was a duplicate, and messaged him about this again. If he does it again, that will be three strikes and I will probably block him. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 03:33, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Agreed, Nuke - block as you wish. Lordganon (talk) 10:01, April 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * He has recently added an article which includes all the images he has uploaded. However, he has also duplicated again. I have blocked him for three days. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 00:20, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

He has once again added a duplicate after being blocked for thee days, and has not made any kind of contact aside from adding files and an occasional article. I have re-blocked him for two weeks. If I have gone too far in the blocking period, feel free to change it. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 05:21, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

No, it's good - he hasn't responded or communicated to you, at all.

Really, unless something is horribly wrong with a block, or some other action, the decisions of an admin aren't going to be changed. Just wrong, overall, to question each other's decisions - one sign of a poor and dysfunctional admin team if that is the case.

Most I do is extend blocks for repeat offenders if it wasn't noticed.

Lordganon (talk) 07:44, May 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * Glad to hear, I was worried I went overboard. I recalled you gave a two-week block for a second offense, so I went with that. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 21:15, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

A week or two, depending on the offense. This one would be a two-week, for sure. Lordganon (talk) 11:51, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

Problem with "Night of the Living Alternate History"?
I just received a message from G greg e, which states that two users (I believe Lord Finnius and Harvester360) have joined his map game have placed themselves in his characters.

Sorry to say, but I know nothing about map games, so I don't believe I am the right person for this issue. Though what I believe he is concerned about is that these two may be the same person (due to the similar edits).

Not too sure what to make of this. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 01:00, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

Taken care of. Lordganon (talk) 14:06, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

Maruku2009
Apparently he's done it before, now he is doing it again. He's annoying people in general and commenting about how Video game ATLs are not proper ATLs. Could this please be looked into? Me'n Scraw'n DocEv talked to him about it and he says we are harassing him. Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:29, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Ya beat me to it.

22:54, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

He also put Pepin's Venice up for adoption without LurkerLordB's permission (though Imp has reverted that back now).

Doctor Evulz (talk) 23:04, April 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * I've noticed that a lot of trolling and vandalism has recently emerged from a user named Maruku2009. He appears to be editing the timelines of other people, and putting them up for adoption. He also appears to have a hatred of video games, claiming they're not a part of history, as seen on this forum post: . Thought I'd bring this to your attention so that the proper authorities can deal with him/her.
 * Thanks, Mscoree (talk) 00:43, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Seems like harassment to me. Since LG has already blocked him before, I upped it and have blocked him for a week. Also, it appears that he didn't put Pepin's Venice for adoption (Lurker did that himself in 2011). I have also reverted that page to the version prior to his edits. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 03:06, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Extended his block to a month - the number of types of problems warrants it, I think.

Nuke is right - Lurk put that up for adoption himself.

I actually think that he just likes video games to the point where he thinks it "wrong" to "mess" with them in that manner. The guy seems to have founded a few such wikis, even.

Lordganon (talk) 10:32, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

wiki contributer 85.164.111.101
i dont think a title like Eyad likes cock is allowed  DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 19:54, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

And the page just says he is a gay f***ing f*gg*tt Local (talk)

can someone ban him and delete it DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 20:11, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

It's currently been added for deletion. Mscoree (talk) 00:44, April 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * I have removed the article and have banned the user for a week. If he continues afterwards, we'll block him longer. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 02:58, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Potential sockpuppets?
Seeing that recent nomination for Mscoree to be a constable editor, I looked at the nominators profiles as I hadn't seen them before. Based on their profiles I found the following:
 * Edboy452: Edits - 322 ~ Joined Wiki on March 29, 2013
 * RazorFangZ14: Edits - 40 ~ Joined Wiki on March 28, 2013
 * NickTEHbau5: Edits - 7 ~ Joined Wiki on March 29, 2013
 * Jdplayer10: Edits - 11 ~ Joined Wiki on March 29, 2013

There limited edits have been almost entirely to the Night of the Living Alternate History‎ too.

Hence I think they may be sockpuppets, but they do have slightly different "My favourite wikis" sections. While they all use Alt. Hist. Wiki, they do differ slightly in favourite wikis, so perhaps they're just friends from these other wikis. Anyway the favourite wiki distribution is as follows:
 * Alternative History: Edboy452, RazorFangZ14, NickTEHbau5 & Jdplayer10
 * GeekCraft Wiki: Edboy452 & NickTEHbau5
 * Therealzombieroleplay Wiki: RazorFangZ14 & NickTEHbau5
 * Future: Edboy452

Anyone who plays that map game know how these players regularly interact in game? Over-friendliness between them would be another indicator that they're sockpuppets. I'm looking at Crim, Yank, Kogasa or Imp as you guys are TSPTF & play the game.

They may just know each other in real life or from other wikis, but I still find this situation suspicious regardless. I think further investigation is required. Ip check 'em? VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:59, April 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * I just joined a turn ago, I have no indication on this matter. Sorry, Von. [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:26, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Sent them a note before I even saw this, lol. Should get a response Monday or Tuesday. Lordganon (talk) 03:11, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

I know these people from other wikis and such. Them, and I others, I believe, are on my campus, and therefore have the same IP's sometimes. All of these players have however posted from different IP's in the past. Mscoree (talk) 20:57, April 29, 2013 (UTC)

As I said on the NotLAH talk page, the following people are people I know or are on my campus. For the most part these people have all posted from separate IP's before.
 * Mscoree
 * Geekman7473
 * Ayernam
 * UDie2day
 * Edboy452
 * RazorFangZ14
 * NickTEHbau5
 * JDplayer10
 * Daultz
 * Tr0llis
 * This IP: 173.72.110.90

Mscoree (talk) 01:57, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

Sockpuppets
I have reason to suspect that these two users are sockpuppets. I believe that Alexlee8991 may be controlling Allenrobinson. He has currently five edits, all of which on Night of the Living Alternate History, and all his edits appear to be in Alexlee's favor. After war broke out between Chine (Alexlee) and Tibet, Allenrobinson joined and has basically surrendered to the Chinese for no reason. Other than that he has few turns. If an admin could check their IP that would be much appreciated. Mscoree (talk) 12:45, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Request sent to wikia. Lordganon (talk) 04:20, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Wikia confirms them to be the same IP. Both accounts have now been blocked for sockpuppeting, never to return. Lordganon (talk) 11:10, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't be surprised if Ninjasvswarriors is also related to Alexlee8991. Ninjasvswarriors joined the Althistory Wiki one day after Alexlee8991 was banned, has rather similar editing habits and just revised an article created by the latter. --NFSreloaded (talk) 13:50, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

Timelines (XXX)
After a few months, I have, I think, finally cleaned up all the Timelines (XXX)s besides the ones like Timelines (Superpowers) that are part of a specific ATL. Here's the list of all the cleaned out ones:
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I remember WWI and WWII took an especially long time lol. But anyways, are there any I missed? I can't find any, but still...

Thanks. PitaKang- My Life for Aiur! En Taro Tassadar 14:05, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

I think that's all of the ones with categories. Should I run across more - and I bet there are some without the categories actually "made" - I'll deal with them. Good Work, Pita. Lordganon (talk) 14:25, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm glad I could help. If I stumble across any others I'll clean them up too. Looks like Timeline Category Cleanup Project is finished. PitaKang- My Life for Aiur! En Taro Tassadar 21:10, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

Jontiben2
I have informed Jontiben2 about not adding duplications. Today he uploaded two duplicates (making this his second offense). I noted him about this (giving him the correct file links). He appears to have ignored my warnings and re-uploaded both files. I have blocked him for 24 hours. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 21:48, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Emperor Romanus
I have received word from several people that Emperor Romanus is sockpuppeting as User:Harvester360 and User:Lord Finnius. These three have also had very similar editing habits, with Finnius and Harvestor joining to aid Romanus in NotLAH, and when Romanus quit, they did too. He also has apparently used these accounts on the Map Game wiki and the Ultimate Map Game wiki. Mscoree (talk) 21:28, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Any other proof? Lordganon (talk) 09:53, June 22, 2013 (UTC)

Redirects
I have a question for an administrators or moderators on this site. On this page's infobox, when you click on king it automatically names the page incorrectly. I renamed the page correctly, and filled the page with information, only to have it deleted. I asked Lordganon for an explanation and help on correctly renaming/redirecting the page, but he instead ignored my several messages and kept deleting the pages. Finally he responded by temporarily banning me. I don't want my pages to be deleted, and I don't want to be banned, so I now ask here, what is the correct way to fix this? Mscoree (talk) 14:31, July 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * From what I have been able to deduced, it appears to be two minor syntax errors. The template NationInfo has a complex code to make it easier for new users to use.


 * The first is that you wrote the wrong timeline. You wrote "Battle for Earth Strikes Back! (Map Game)," while the timeline you want is "(Battle for Earth: Prime)." Because of the coding this infobox uses, it marked any redirects within the infobox as the timeline you wrote (not the one you wanted).


 * The second error is that you labeled the common name of your country as "Meridian," while the page you want clearly calls it "Meridian Consul."


 * In short, you got "List of Kings of Meridian (Battle for Earth Strikes Back! (Map Game))" and not "List of Kings of the Meridian Consul (Battle for Earth: Prime)." Luckily, there is a simple way to fix this, and I will fix it for you (so it should be solved by the time you read this).


 * As for the tiff you and LG are getting into, the complexity of your timeline and the use of distinctive naming differences between your main page and the subsequent ones will lead to more issues in the long run. The primary purpose for a redirect is to redirect a common alternative to the correct page, not to solve an issue that (from the looks of it) violates site rules. You and LG will have to come to a conclusion soon, and negativity will not go anywhere. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 15:49, July 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree with Nuke on this one, mate. [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:56, July 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * Alright thanks for the claification. I'll try to do this in the future. Mscoree (talk) 04:30, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

Wow. Ms did not say any of that to me. More importantly, almost none of the redirects in question had anything to do with what he claims. Somehow, not surprised. Lordganon (talk) 05:06, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Vandal
The Anonyimous Contributor  72.64.67.92 has vandalised several pages. I have reverted some (Sorry if I'm not supposed to) but they might have done more Local (talk)

They wrote this: http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Easternized_World?oldid=770809

This person also vandalized a few of the Two Americas timeline.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 20:29, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought I got those Local (talk)

His page says he is blocked, so how is he posting Yay an Edit conflict (talk) 20:31, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

It's fine, I fixed them. And yes, I think you can undo edits by vandals, unless I am mistaken. Not too sure on the blocked thing...

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 20:32, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

No, no. Seiga just blocked him. :P Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:34, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

Is it normal that non admins can revert edits? Local (talk)

I just did it again, it wasn't a fluke, why is that possible? Local (talk)


 * I'm sure LG will give him a permanent block when he gets here, nothing but a vandal. As to Local, thank you for helping out. As far as I am aware of, it shouldn't be anything but helpful to revert vandalized pages (grammatical corrections are also welcomed). The only think you can't do is vandalize (pretty straight forward) or expand on a page without the approval of the caretaker.


 * As for whether it is normal that non-admins do admin-esque work, I can't say. I can't think of any off the top of my head, but I certainly wouldn't frown on it. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 00:55, July 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Everyone can undo, but rollbacks/admins/bureaucrats can rollback, skipping the editing page.
 * 05:06, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Local, you didn't "revert" the vandalism - you went in, edited, and fixed it. All you can do is either that or using the "undo" feature. Only admins can use the "revert" feature.

That being said, well done with fixing it.

As to the block itself, that was proper. No need to use a permanent block on such anons, as they almost never come back. If they do, then we nail'em.

Lordganon (talk) 05:02, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Alternate History Memes??
Does anybody know the purpose of "Alternate History Memes"? This is not a meme site, and they dozens of files recently uploaded seem to serve no purpose aside from being memes.

Given the broadness used by Mscoree and OreoToast555 for the page in question, and the fact that they seem to show no present purpose, I would like to propose the deletion of this page and the many uploads related to it. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 04:25, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

We could rename it to NotLAH memes, as it is essentially only notlah  OreoToast555(Talk) 04:31, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

These pictures are a funny explanation of the history of the NotLAH map game. These simple sentences chronicle the history, blood, sweat, and tears, and even, the very souls of the people involved. Where were you on the day of the Sealand Tea Party? An event of such magnitude, it started a near global war. What about the 11 September 1979 attacks on the Russian airport? These pictures explain what it was like. These pictures look through the ancient looking glass, and into the spirit of humanity itself. These are the voyages of the NotLAH enterprise. To boldly meme where no one has gone before. Mscoree (talk) 04:34, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

and you noticed he is STILL UPLOADING THEM after being asked not to  Wingman1 04:48, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

These memes are all in good fun. Please don't take offense to any of them. Mscoree (talk) 04:49, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

You was asked very nicely to stop, you are risking a block or a ban! Wingman1 04:52, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Just make it part of the NotLAH universe.

04:54, July 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * I have blocked both Mscoree and the page in question for three days (he has been warned by both LG and me about his attitude). I still see no point in keeping this page, irregardless of whether it is timeline oriented or not, and Mscoree's lack of reasoning at the present confirm my reasoning. I will wait for LG to look at the situation before any decision is made. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 05:07, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Slow down there, everyone. This was made in jest, a joke. This isn't worth a ban. Sure, it'd be better suited as a blog page, but there's no need to delete everything. Can't it be renamed to 'User:Mscoree/Memes' or something? Let's be reasonable here. Doctor Evulz (talk) 05:27, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

I kinda thought it was funny, but I understand how someone could get offended. My suggestion (if it matters for anything) is to let the page stay as a community page or something, and if a user uploads something that is offensive to a specific person, then that person can take down what's offensive.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 11:07, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Erm hello. What on earth, a block for a page not even remotely offensive to anyone? I understand some users might not like their username to be present for the memes, and that can be fixed, but why would you block that page? The wiki needs to have pages like this, where users can laugh at the pictures. Now, I will rename the page for now, but I do not want a page such as that deleted. The game has done surprisingly well, better than anyone in the map gaming community expected, and is well on the way to finishing - a rare feat.

Therefore, these memes should be allowed as they go accuratrely demonstrate nations' actions, albiet in a funny manner. Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:13, July 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * I would also like to shorten Mscoree's block, so that we can give him a chance to defend his works rather than us just assuming things, things which might not be true at all. His talkpage can now be edited by himself. Lets see what he has to say for himself. Plus, I agree it was not exactly the smartest thing to make a meme which disrespected Nuke. [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:24, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Why is it I asked nicely to leave the page alone, and Imperium goes and alters not only the page, but my block on Mscoree? I am extremely disappointed, and have reverted Imperium's "help". --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 16:45, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

I'm with MP. Imp, that was a bit un-admin-ish of you, IMO.

17:41, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Alright everybody calm the Fu*k down. He posted memes about his map game. Maybe it should be renamed, and if there is one you find offensive, talk to Mscoree and we will see from there. Somehow He got banned and the page is going to die thpough, anyone think thtat is kinda stupid to have this huge deal over it.Yay an Edit conflict (talk) 17:46, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

I found it funny, but let me say that you can't have a discussion about a page's problems if you block the prepertrators. I'd lock the page and we discuss it until we come up with a solution - a discussion in which all parties can be involved. As for my own opinion on the page, I think it should be more of a blog post type thing and I can see how the page could offend someone - which shouldn't be done, the stuff about Nuke was out of line. TBH I was a bit upset there was nothing about Austria-Germany on that page lol, I always find it interesting to hear someone talk about me. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 18:44, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

I chuckled at some of them. That's worth shortening the ban. Also, I can't believe what a fit people are throwing at these things. CrimsonAssassin- "You can't handle this egg roll" 15:41, July 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * I feel I should clarify, because many appear to be getting the wrong message. I informed the two users (OreoToaster555 and Mscoree) that I have made a discussion about their page and uploads (which I clearly state I opposed), and asked them politely to not continue working on the page until the issue can reach a consensus and wait until LG can take a look at it. Mscoree chose to ignore my request, and began uploading new material. Two of these were directed at me, which I took as him spiting my discussion. Given that he was previously blocked by LG days prior for harassment on him (which lasted for 24 hours), I extended a new block for three days, and explained to him why I did so. It was then I decided to protect the page in discussion for three days (to ensure no further additions).


 * The following day, ImperiumGuy (who has expressed his support for both Mscoree and the page) took it upon himself to work on the page I blocked by moving the page and removing some images, and unblocked Mscoree (only to then re-block him for a shorten time and giving him an ultimatum on how to keep the page). I then reverted the page, re-blocked Mscoree for three days, and asked Imperium why he did so (given the answer that he supported both and would now stay out of the issue). Now we are here.


 * I still oppose this idea on the grounds that I see this site as a serious place for writers and artists to work on their projects, not ICHC. Given the current consensus, it most likely will not be deleted, but it will have to be altered greatly. I will remove the files on me once LG takes a look at them, and Mscoree will not have his block altered in any manner. Nothing more will be done until LG can take a look at this. So I hope this clears up a few misunderstandings. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 18:09, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Nuke, well done.

Imp, not well done. That was improper, at best. You do not mess with things like that done by the other admins. It's a question of maintaining authority and mutual respect, along with the fact that it was without question a blockable offense. Don't do anything like that again.

Ms ignored a direct warning and did so in one of the most offensive ways he could have done so. Quite frankly, I'd have blocked him for a longer period of time. Nuke made his call, and we will stick with that, however.

The page itself as originally created was something not allowed on this wiki. Our rules are rather clear on that.

Quite frankly, unless something like that is created as a section of a user page, it is not allowed on here. Much of what is there is, quite frankly, offensive or attacking other users, which would not be allowed on a user page, either.

Considering all things, I will be adding a deletion note to the page in question, and deleting all of the offensive images. Ms can make a section of his user area for what is left, but I will not be making it for him.

Lordganon (talk) 05:18, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

I apologize greatly to anyone offended by these images, particularly the user Nuclear Vacuum. I also apologize for not partaking much in the mutual conversation to fix this matter while I was blocked. Thank you to everyone who supported me, and I’m glad I was the only casualty of this event.I figure I better explain myself with a really long, slightly passive aggressive response, as is the true the style of the wiki.

Originally several people (names withheld to protect their real-world safety and identities) and I were in the live chat and were discussing certain matters in NotLAH, when I phrased sometime in the style of a meme. This was met by the response, “that should be a meme,” so we started making them. I uploaded a few, following Oreotoast, as did some other people. I was then contacted by Nuclear Vacuum, who instructed me to explain myself and stop for the time being, so I left the last batch uploading (in multiple tabs) and left a response to Nuclear Vacuum. As instructed/foreseen by bystander Wingman1, Nuclear Vacuum then banned me, citing that “he has been warned by both LG and me about his attitude”. To clarify, I am truly sorry for the offensive images, particularly the ones quoting/exaggerating/harassing/intimidating/bullying Nuclear Vacuum, which I believe crossed the line a bit. I was a bit saddened that I couldn't then engage in the conversation since I was banned. If you take note at the images logs, the frequency of uploads did decrease, but that is besides the point.

I apologize for not following Nuclear Vacuum’s direct order, in which he stated, “I request that you do not upload any new files until it has been resolved.” I think I was just confused because I thought the situation was prematurely resolved. When Lordganon arrived he helped to clarify the matter, stating it was “without question a blockable offense”, (which for the record I find strange since so many people questioned it; enough to reach the top five hot spots on the wiki). I will personally refresh myself on the rules since, “The page itself as originally created was something not allowed on this wiki. Our rules are rather clear on that”, and I was not aware. (Control + F searches have come up inconclusive).

I think the most pressing matter is the images deleted. Lordganon took the liberty of deleting twelve images, including one about Oreo that was made by Oreo, one that just said “Hail Marius”, which is a common phrase on the live chat, and several others. Most importantly, you deleted all the user ones, except one user. I personally will not stand for singling out a particular user, which where I live is a criminal offense in some situations. This offensive, direct insult at the particular user left intentionally intact, while the others removed? I can understand some, such as the vulgar and inappropriate attempt at humor directed at one, E Greg E, that read, “Heyo. Heyo Woot Woot Heyo,” but not the ones about Mscoree?

Off topic, but to address my current constable campaign, and the response that I’ve been blocked too recently/frequently to be a constable. I respect everyone’s votes and opinions, but I’d like to add something. Was Martin Luther King Jr. arrested too many times to be a civil rights leader, or was Nelson Mandela arrested for too long to be president of South Africa? I guess we’ll soon see. Thanks for reading my response thing, and again, I apologize for hurting the feelings of and disobeying Nuclear Vacuum, and for harassing Lordganon. (I assume they were referring to my questions about redirects. I’m somewhat afraid to ask questions now, if that is of any consolation).

Also on the note of redirects, from what I understand, redirects are allowed if they point a commonly used name to the correct article. Recently Lordganon deleted the Southwest League page because the only content was #REDIRECT North American League (Night of the Living Alternate History Map Game). This should be allowed since the organization was called the Southwest League until recently, and now there’s a bunch of broken links all over the place. Thanks, Mscoree (talk) 18:13, July 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * I will admit I was very surprised to see your response, and I greatly thank you for your apology. Also for the record, I did not block you because you ignored my request to stop uploading, I blocked you because of your offensive uploads on me (this was the "blockable offense" LG was talking about). Had you not uploaded those two files, I would've simply messaged you again asking you to stop (only blocking you had you continued to ignore me). I also find it too coincidental that you got my message while in the middle of posting files you made previously on the same user who just stated they did not like your meme page (not buying it).


 * You will have to talk with LG about the images he removed (because I was not part of their actual removal). If the users represented in those files support what was on it (and they don't have profanity on them), then I will be willing to revert them for you, but you are still responsible for moving them to a new page. As for your new redirect issue, this may stem from the fact that it is no longer canonized. If you are no longer using that article name in the timeline, there is no need to have a redirect for it. You can always go and rename all the links one by one (that's what I do, and there doesn't appear to be many), but you and LG will have to discuss this if you don't like this idea. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 01:20, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

You cannot blame being blocked for "not participating" in conversation. You failed to listen, so you lost that right while blocked. Simple.

After being warned to stop, you continued to upload the pictures. In an itself, not an immediately blockable offense, as Nuke has noted - but the manner in which you did it? Without question that was. You went out of your way to attack an administrator, not long after being warned to stop by that person. As I have noted before, had I seen it before Nuke did, you would have been blocked for a heck of a lot longer than that. Consider yourself lucky.

That page had barely anything to do with AH, and even more so, was not a timeline or having to do with one. Our rules are very explicit about such things - i.e. not allowing them. And rather than stop and allow a ruling, or whatnot, when asked, you continued to do it and went out of your way to insult an admin after being warned by them.

As already noted, the user ones went against our rules. And don't complain about the ones you put up about yourself. Not only are they not against the rules, but they're more or less just nonsense. That you would even think about complaining about images you put up yourself like that, about yourself, doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

There is nothing "pressing" about that, not even remotely.

That you being blocked is a good reason to prevent you being a constable is the opinion of one of the users. They are entitled to it. I doubt it will be the primary reason for people voting "no," but it will be one - just like it was a reason for people to vote against or not support those two men.

I don't buy for a second that those images about Nuke were being uploaded while he was warning you.

You didn't "ask questions" in the first place.

Almost of of those redirects are because someone misspelled something, and it got perpetuated. That is when you fix it. After the second or third one is put in because of such mistakes, then it is without question a problem. Same applies for when something changes. Fix the links, simple.

And, for the record, Ms, don't lie to us.

Lordganon (talk) 06:36, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

For the record, the link is to Lordganon's impeachment trial, in which he wrote out a really long response. Let's try to be mature here, Lordganon, and not censor people who make you look bad. Mscoree (talk) 21:42, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Wow. That was below the belt. And you do know that LG won that vote resoundingly, right?

Look, I may not be his biggest fan (our arguments make the Trials at SALT talks look like a couple of friends joking around) but frankly speaking, he's like the backbone of this wiki.

Map Contest
For anyone who hasn't heard, I'm starting a 'Map Contest'. For details, go to my blog. I didn't know if I needed permission to create a page for it, so I'm asking, regardless, just to run it by you first. Thanks. CourageousLife (talk) 18:38, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Featured Alternate Histories
I noticed that someone nominated Night of the Living Alternate History (Map Game) for featured alternate history. Are map games allowed to be featured alternate histories? It follows all the guidelines, so I don't see why not. Mscoree (talk) 00:55, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

In theory, they are not barred. However... realistically, they aren't going to meet the basic requirements and follow the guidelines. That one definitely does not. Lordganon (talk) 06:06, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Anon Troll
I was reading a Notlah article and found This... I undid the edit when I saw it...

Dealt with. 3 days. Any admin feeling it is too short or long can edit the block span. Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:12, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Discussion of Lordganon - 12/07/2013
"Prologue: http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Lordganon#Hey, written by Imp. "

We, the People of the Alternate History Wiki, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish wiki Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence of wiki rights, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this declaration of reform.

'Here is a list of reasons of why Lordganon, an administrator of the Alternate History Wikia needs to change his current ways abruptly, or be impeached. These reasons are prevalent in the categories of attitude, inability to confront user’s about their works, deletion policy, and aggressiveness. These qualities need to be changed in order for Lordganon to be respected as an Admin. '

The following is Co Written by those in favor of Lordganon’s immediate change


 * Approaches users in an unfriendly manner that shows an to inability to confront a user calmly and respectfully. (http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:119090)
 * Displays an unfriendly, unhelpful attitude toward users not appropriate for administrators on a site where he is expected to interact with users in the manner he does or with ego that appears in his writing.
 * Maintains a delete first, ask later M.O. that leaves newer users confused (See Here: http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Alternative_History_talk:TSPTF#Alternate_History_Memes.3F.3F, his response, followed by Mscoree’s.).
 * Feels the need to talk as condescending as possible, using frequent italics, bold, and page breaks, leaving reads uncomfortable and ashamed. His writes to users uses a know-it-all attitude, in which even if a user replies with a valid well-researched point, he continues to deny whatever the user says. His incredibly long responses often leave a user intimidated and provoke further hostile argument. (See here: http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:120130. Long responses here: http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Alternative_History_talk:TSPTF/Archive_2#Response)
 * Is extremely unhelpful to new users, and can only say things are implausible, without presenting reasoning to convince the user. This also applies to explaining what needs changed on a timeline to remove the “ASB” label. (See here: http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Lordganon#RT_II)
 * Deletes pages without informing the user, when asked about returning page, refusing to even assist in regathering the content, even when user states the page was a work in progress.
 * Imposing on the democratic mode of the wiki. Mainly due to aggressive “What I say goes” mentality.
 * Biased against other users in authority. Mainly appears to disregard their opinions in favor of his own. This is also seen in his treatment of users on their talk page and regard to their content.
 * Censorship of user opinions and direct changing of user’s own words including deleting a former link to a previous impeachment attempt (See here: http://althistory.wikia.com/index.php?title=Alternative_History_talk%3ATSPTF&diff=774993&oldid=774985)
 * He cares more for admins than non-admins, as seen in the memes, where he only defended nuke.
 * Claims that people are in ignorance of the rules when he is insulted, and that it is obvious, despite that not always being true.
 * Refuses to explain rules and policies not clearly identified in the Wiki rules to new users before acting on them. When asked follow-up questions, has a “What I say goes” condescending tone in his writing. Meanwhile, NuclearVaccuum’s policy of warning users (ie. in file uploading policy) is much more apt.

We ask that Lordganon be given what the users see as apt time to change his attitude, deletion M.O., and aggressiveness toward new users, admins, and all Althistorians alike.We appreciate Lordganon’s contributions to the wiki (TL’s and administration alike), but do not appreciate the imposing manner in which he executes administrative authorities and duties.

Due to this we ask Lordganon to change his ways, as we do not want to lose his contributions.

We are prepared to protect our rights, as outline here: http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Alternative_History:Conventions_in_use_in_this_wiki, and will defend this document from vandalizing and censorship.

User Opinions

I personally do believe that Lordganon has done a great deal of good work on this wiki, and I give credit where it is due. We simply ask for reformation, and the chance to have our voices heard. I personally was not very fond of the way he did things, and it nearly made me (and others) quit when we were first joining. He is notorious for reading every single page on the wiki, but don’t be fooled, this is to right short, unconstructive comments about them (See here: http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Holy_Roman_Empire_(Night_of_the_Living_Alternate_History_Map_Game) and http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Mscoree#HRE). He’s shown hostility against me for simple stuff. He accused me of harassing him for asking him about redirects, and left me still unsure the correct procedure (See here: http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Mscoree#Redirects). Mscoree (talk) 23:48, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Lordganon was once a really helpful user. All he tends to do now is edit to Doomsday:1983 and tell people that their timelines are Alien Space Bats-~TOB

Lordganon has made great contributions to this wiki and has maintained order and has kept this wiki in great quality. However his aggressive behaviour, biased opinions, and censorship is not acceptable. I suggest a temporary demotion-

Lordganon’s TL’s and administration work are among the best I’ve seen, however the manner that he approaches it in is unnecessary, and does not reference any works that could be used to the user’s advantage.

When I first joined the wiki, Lordganon immediately deleted one of my articles to do with the popular map game NotLAH. I figured this would be the experience of the wiki - I write a page, if its not substantial by the time I finalized my first update, it would be deleted. Luckily this is not true. However, Lordganon’s pomp ego and imprudence honestly would’ve scared me off if it had not been for more helpful admins such as Imp and Von, and other users such as UglyTurtle, Sine de Gloriem, and Wegscuba. When i asked about the article’s deletion, discovering I had improperly named it, thanks to Lordganon’s post - which also included how the information I had already typed had no relation to the timeline it was associated whatsoever - I asked him to help me recover my content, he ignored my request and follow up. I admire Lorganon’s historical knowledge and timeline work, his manner in approaching me was completely rude and insufficient in actual advice and assistance. His attitude and ego need to be checked at the door when he logs in to Althist for him to regain respect and admiration he once deserved.

I remember, many moons ago, my friend, Sasafred and I created a TL named the McDonalds Empire. While it was ultra ASB, it was good fun for about 30 minutes. Then LG showed up, and ranted about how it was spam, and how he was going to delete it. I moved it to another wiki, and he deleted it. While I understand his reasons, I still am mad at how he rained on our parade. Perhaps if he approached us in a more friendly manner, I'd have more respect for him. Bfoxius (talk) 23:55, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Infraction Evidence Summary Please post all links here, even if they are shown elsewhere in this document.
 * http://althistory.wikia.com/index.php?title=Alternative_History_talk%3ATSPTF&diff=774993&oldid=774985
 * http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:119090
 * http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Holy_Roman_Empire_(Night_of_the_Living_Alternate_History_Map_Game)
 * http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Mscoree#HRE
 * http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Mscoree#Redirects
 * http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Lordganon#RT_II
 * http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:120130 8. http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Alternative_History_talk:TSPTF/Archive_2#Response
 * http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Alternative_History_talk:TSPTF#Alternate_History_Memes.3F.3F
 * http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lordganon
 * http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Lordganon#Hey

Published on 12/07/2013

Signatures

 * Mscoree (talk) 23:48, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * canada2hy.jpg Hypothetical Alberta Blue Ensign.svg OreoToast555(Talk) 23:59, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * This is UglyTurtle, Signing off. 00:05, July 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Bfoxius (talk) 00:05, July 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Warman555
 * G greg e (talk) 00:08, July 13, 2013 (UTC) " I approve of this and ask LG to make efforts to change, however, enough time must pass before reevolution or any possible impeachment"

D iscussion
Oh, like we haven't seen this before...

I do agree that LG can at times be a blunt with his remarks, but it is true that he is of enormous help to the wiki. Perhaps he has stepped down a little (can't make that call, since it was before my time), but he still is a valued member and not worth removing or demoting.

And even if you get a majority of the wiki to support you, what are you going to do? He's the head mod of the wiki and has most of the TSPTF and the community on his side.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 23:59, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Wait a second. TOB hasn't edited this, I check the history. SO WHY IS HIS SIGNATURE ON ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS?

TOB? What?

Any for the record, LG does help with getting back lost data from deleted pages. I've seen him do it before, and he's even done it for my sandbox when I was relatively new. Not sure if anyone remembers or cares about that, but I thought it would be helpful.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 00:04, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

This isn't an impeachment. The rules state that the issue must be discussed here so that it can be potentially fixed. Mscoree (talk) 00:07, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

TOB; The old baby

As I thought. In fact, Ms added TOB's sig. [ [1]] If you scroll down to the User opinions part of the page, you can see that Ms added that sig. It may be that TOB said something similar elsewhere, but in that case Ms should have noted that underneath.

We wrote this together before I posted it. All parts marked with others' signatures is the part they themselves wrote. Mscoree (talk) 00:10, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

I sincerely doubt that this will accomplish what it is supposed to do. And trying something like this won't make LG less biased towards certain people, if you catch my meaning.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 00:12, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

Trying is right. Attempting to impeach LG didn't work last time, it probably won't this time. While I agree that LG could be nicer, frankly, he is who he is, and without him, this wiki would be a much sadder place. All this will do is stir up the wiki. Don't do this.

I'm with MP and Guns so far.

00:17, July 13, 2013 (UTC)