Talk:1983: Doomsday/Former Proposals 9

Aragonese Statelet(s)
I don't think I've ever told anyone this before, but I'm a bit of an "Aragonophile", reading most articles pertaining to Aragon and its colonies on the Il Bethisad site, and I've read some article on the kingdom, empire, crown, and language on Wikipedia. I was wondering, would at all be possible to create an Aragonese Statelet somewhere in the Huesca Valley or any other Aragonese speaking area? I'd personally make it a crowned republic, only because I'm partial monarchies, a person can rise to the top in this topsy-turvy world, and because we all know, monarchies are fun! The only thing I'm picturing at the moment is that there would be an upsurge in the Aragonese language and a man who survived the Apocalypse and became the dictator making Aragon into a crowned republic taking power for himself. Is this okay to do? Mr.Xeight 01:01, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

The would suit me perfectly. Mr.Xeight 01:03, January 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * According to the Spain page, it looks like most of the area is under the control of the Iberian Confederation.--Oerwinde 09:45, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

IMHO the argonese speaking people are going to want there own place and i think Mr.Xeight has a good idea --Owen1983 14:14, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Owen, Aragonese nationalism is almost dead. The Chunta Aragonesista would have to implement Aragonese back into society and eventually their plan of making Aragonese the most widely-spoken language would take awhile. It no doubt have to be forced to be spoken and taught at school, used for business, as a ecclesiastical language, etc until the people in the area who don't use it at home start to. Oer, I noticed that last night. Through the innacurate use of eyeballing, by the looks of it Zaragoza, the Chunta Aragonesista's HQ and the old capital of the Aragonese Empire is not under IC control, fortunately, though a good chunk of northern & western Aragon is, unfortunately. So, I suppose the CA (I'm too lazy to write out Chunta Aragonesista each time) could offer a stable government in Zaragoza, using Aragonese nationalism and the failure of the Castillian Government to take care of its people to get them control. Eventually they'd expand and this is where I can become most useful...
 * Power-struggles make strange bedfellows. You guys can all clearly tell as all-knowing gods of this alt-universe Greece is as land-hungry as Sicily. So, the Greeks could begin to look west for control. Now they see the Aragonese State, in-power, but vulnerable. So a partnership begins: Greeks and Aragonese working together to save Europe and Iberia. Now Aragon would be able to resist becoming a satellite-state of Greece, though Aragon becomes smiliar to Algeria, siding with Greece over Sicily and getting small-scale Greek aid, as well as Greece to recognize it as a sovereign nation, saying Aragon has right to the lands controlled by the IC, helping to stablize its control over any fringe lands, such as the coast, and an upsurg ein Greek merchants in the western port-cities.

Mr.Xeight 16:24, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Another possibility is that the Iberian confederation is an alliance of several Juntas in the region. Maybe an extremely nationalistic Junta joins the confederation, and maneuvers its way into the lead role, instituting some changes to the confederation including Aragonese as the national language. The IC was mainly formed to defend against Basque invasion, and they are less of a threat now, so the IC could be somewhat unstable at this point, nothing much has been written about it after 1997 except that it added a new Aragonese Junta in 2007. So this could be perfect. It looks like almost half of the confederation is Aragonese, so this could be plausible. Tristanbreiker is responsible for the corresponding articles though so you'd have to get his sayso I suppose. Zaragoza was hit according to the spain page so I don't think it would be a major hotbed of Aragonese nationalism, though it would be ripe for reclaimation.--Oerwinde 19:21, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that's truly a great idea, Oer. Thanks alot! :) I'll run it by Tristan. A bombing of Zaragoza puts a rather damper on things though. But one of the most important things I need to do is look up the presidents of the Chunta Aragonesista, of course there's no doubt whoever was Pres. of the party at the time was in Zaragoza, what should I do to finda suitable president? Mr.Xeight 00:32, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * What I normally do is make someone up. The Doomsday situation is going to bring out a lot of people who otherwise wouldn't have gotten into a leadership role, so if you can't find someone real, I don't see a big deal with making someone up.--Oerwinde 01:28, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Cooperstown
Upon reading of the plans for a new baseball & football hall of fame it got me thinking about Cooperstown, could a city state there be possible? (I'm not to sure what was nuked in that area so if anyone knows let me know, thanks)--GOPZACK 17:37, January 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not sure, Zack. I believe the assumption has been that it would be much harder to establish a surviving city state in the Northeast corridor, because of the massive amount of hits it would have taken in a US-Soviet conflict. But it certainly is open for any editor who can come up with a plausible, and interesting, scenario for New York state (or anywhere else) to do so. --BrianD 15:49, January 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Cooperstown would not have been hit, and conceivably could be a site for a survivor community because it is located on the south end of Ostego Lake. The question is how much of New York state was livable after Doomsday? I postulated that refugees were pouring into Vermont because things got hellish in NY state. --BrianD 15:49, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

I think that there could be a survivor state even when refugees left the state. In fact I think this would be a blessing in disguise for those who would undoubtably remain. There would be less people in the state, meaning less crime and less strain on food and other resources. The more the population decreases from refugees and casualties, the better chance the remainder has for survival. --Yankovic270 16:15, January 9, 2010 (UTC)