Talk:Huguang-Zhongyuan (1983: Doomsday)

Will continue editing tomorrow.

Canuck2012 01:43, June 8, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

That map is not even remotely accurate, Canuck.

I really doubt this could work, overall - it's located pretty close to a strike, and would get refugees from more of them. Add to that that it is right next to the PRC - who wouldn't stand for it - and would get fallout pretty bad.

Lordganon 11:12, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Shall I make it smaller?

Canuck2012 19:46, June 8, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

...That's not the problem. The size isn't a factor, but rather the location. And the map is, quite honestly, still very wrong. Lordganon 02:07, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Okay. I'll move the NPRC to some other place...I just really like the city of Luoyang (is there someway I can make it Luoyang?). The map isn't necessarily supposed to be accurate, it's what the NPRC claims China and surrounding territories should look like. Basically, the NPRC in it's early days was very nationalistic.

Canuck2012 20:16, June 9, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

If I can't use Luoyang or Chengdu, could you please suggest a city that I could use, LordGanon? I'd like a city or town that was and is an important historical and cultural centre of China.

Canuck2012 20:42, June 9, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

Darn! Chengdu was nuked, and Luoyang...I've abandoned. Does Lichang work?

Canuck2012

No nationalist Chinese state would even remotely consider those borders to be accurate. Moreover, such a map is just wrong to have here, anyways.

I assume that since Lichang doesn't come up with anything you are referring to Licheng instead. Of the four entries, one is in Jiangsu, two are in Taiwan, and the fourth is in this region. However, the same problem exists - while the radiation and refugee problem isn't as bad, the PRC situation is much worse, even more so because it's in an area that actually would have been explored without a doubt, given their relations with Jiangsu. And if you're referring to Liyang, that's both close to the Dragons, and several strikes.

As for those centers.... well, there isn't anything usable. Nor is the current "capital."

Simply put, there is no way something in this area is going to work.

Lordganon 01:36, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry. I made a spelling mistake. It's not Lichang, it's Yichang. In regards to your other comment, than there shouldn't be any nations in or around Europe: It received a huge deal more radiation than central China. According to the map for nuclear contamination, that is.

Canuck2012 03:39, June 10, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

You're not quite getting the point. The refugee populations, and raider populations, are far in excess of the numbers in Europe. And, actually, the bombs in this area were far larger than most of the ones in Europe - along with the radiation blanketing the region in question, while in Europe most of it melted off into low-population areas, mountains, or water.

Now, Yichang.... yes, that's in a spot that may work. However, it would have to be small. If it's too big, than it's not plausible - the Dragons and Tigers both raid(ed) large territories.

Lordganon 04:06, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Okay. I understand now.

Canuck2012 12:58, June 10, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

Only the eastern part is plausible - the west would have been too irradiated. Add to it that the location you're referring to was abandoned, never actually used, and held basically nothing inside of it. There was never a garrison, and it had been without anyone in it for over a decade by DD.

And, that map really needs to go.

Population is far too high.

Making up people, as you have done, is very frowned upon.

No such nation as "Longguo."

The raiders would never have gone that far. That's why it's possible for this to exist. If they had, it would not.

Army numbers are far too large.

Lordganon 08:15, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Since when is making people up frowned upon? Also, yeah, that map is pretty ridiculous. Oerwinde 10:25, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Since always? There is absolutely never any reason to do it. Especially when any research will find others.

Lordganon 10:50, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

This is the first I've heard of it, especially when most people here do it. And most people who would logically be in any of the positions they would fit in, likely wouldn't be in those positions due to Doomsday and everything changing. With billions dead and the events that lead people to their positions in life no longer happening, there would be tons of people who would be no-name nobodies OTL that would rise to the occaision ATL. Oerwinde 18:36, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, for the map thing, tohse borders don't exist. It's only what's claimed. And if you think those are very unreasonable claims, have you seen the claims that the ROC have made against the mainland, Mongolia, the 'Stans, Burma, and India? I will remove the western portion, and the only reason the population and stuff was too big was because of the second city.

Canuck2012 23:24, June 11, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

Lordganon, I feel that Canuck2012 is perfectly within his rights to create fictional people for his 1983: Doomsday proposals. I back my views by pointing out that the People (1983: Doomsday) page has a section for fictional people. I believe that you probably want to go and delete all mention of the characters from the fictional people section, now that I brought them to your attention. However, the fictional people section of the People (1983: Doomsday) includes characters like Clyde Harness and Boss Jones. Clyde Harness and Boss Jones have been part of the 1983: Doomsday cannon for a long time. Also, they have been mentioned in multiple 1983: Doomsday pages. Thus, deleting all mention of them would mean reworking several pages that have long been established as part of the 1983: Doomsday timeline. Also, the creators of Clyde Harness and Boss Jones would probably be upset with you for making them alter their contributions that have long been part of the 1983: Doomsday. Thus, I feel you should not delete the fictional people section and allow Canuck2012 to use fictional people his in 1983 Doomsday proposals. I mean no disrespect in this opinion.

Goldwind1 02:24, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, we are well aware that those borders do not exist, Canuck. That is the problem.

Population is still too big. The other city being removed is irrelevant.

Gold, you need to start putting your comments at the end of pages. Annoying, at best, when you don't.

Gold, at best, that was disrespectful. More like insulting. And rather highly so. Don't ever speak like that to someone again.

There are four entries on the fictional section. Now, note the length of the "real" section, to compare. And that those fictional people are from the early days of the timeline. And, of those, only two involve more than one spot, the people page aside, and only one of those isn't something that could be changed fairly easily.

Oer, you are incorrect. Almost no one does it, because any research will normally give you real people, no matter their position otl.

Simple fact is that the fictional people in this article need to be removed. Even more so because the setting involved as written is not in the least bit possible.

A quick search on wikipedia found four people from the area.


 * Lu Banglie, a democracy activist from Zhijiang, a city close to the new capital of Yichang.
 * Luo Qingquan, a politician from Yichang.
 * Wei Yili, a badminton player from Yichang
 * Hu Yang Lin(give or take) better known as "Populus", a singer from Yichang.

Easy.

Lordganon 05:08, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Oh. I just realized something. That space is for the locator map. So it has to be accurate. Oops! I'll change that.

I didn't think of googling people from the area -I just looked for democratic activists from China....

How long will it take to settle in the rest of Hubei?

Canuck2012 23:40, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Didn't even bother to use google. When I said it was just wikipedia, I meant it, lol.

Liu Yandong was in Beijing at DD. Very dead.

Zhou Qiang was studying at the Southwest University of Political Science & Law in Chongqing in 1983. Also dead.

Yu Zhengsheng was in Zhangjiakou, more or less a suburb of Beijing, in 1983. Dead too.

Population and military numbers are still off. Nor are the demographics at all accurate.

The military would be almost entirely infantry. Nor would it have a naval component.

There are no raids from the Dragons or Tigers here. If there were, it would have ceased to exist long ago.

As for the rest of Hubei, this state would not be in a position to even begin to start doing that.

Lordganon 09:40, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

How did you find that information?! When I googled those people, nothing like that came up... Canuck2012 20:56, June 13, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

Power of the great historian, my dear friend ;) Google has only 1% of world's information. ;-) Doctor261 ''' (Talk to Doctor261) 20:57, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Lordganon, do you know of any people from the Hubei region and surrounding provinces who could have formed the NPRC after Doomsday? And I don't suppose there would be any prominent women politicians from the time? Will work on demographics later. Though considering how there are three cities within the NPRC, it's hard not to see around 5 million people living there.

Canuck2012 21:04, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Put the names into wikipedia. Didn't need google at all.

You've basically got the guys I listed. You can add Bié bì Xióng (more or less the name) to it. Mayor of Xiangyang otl, was in the Yichang region at Doomsday.

No, no women politicians. Little rare in China, truth be told.

5 million, about 2 million too high. Remember how fast the population of China rose after DD - and how the large population would mean more die than elsewhere.

Lordganon 06:03, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Oh yeah. I forgot about that. Would the singer and tennis player be interested in politics, though?

Canuck2012 22:23, June 14, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012