User talk:Yankovic270



Alliances
Ask the Danish and/or the others for help. Hell, Russia could back you up for thepromise of keeping any lands it gains if the war does spark, although all lands would be in Europe. --DaBigUn 04:30, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Weird Al
I am also a fan of Weird Al, however, my research places him around Southern California, so most likely he is dead in the 1983DD world. That is unless you have proof that he was away from a target area in 1983. Mitro 04:03, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Nothing personal, but the TL is a dystopia. Try researching to find out if he was somewhere else when DD happened.  Mitro 13:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

You may want to check this out: President Yankovic. Mitro 16:05, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Virginia
I just got back from a wedding this weekend, so I'll probably look at the chages on Monday. Mitro 21:41, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * I reviewed your changes and took the liberty to make some changes/additions of my own. Obviously you have the right to disagree, but I hope you consider them at least.
 * First, I shrunk the size of the state. Considering the radiation likely to effect the region, along with social instability, the entire area needs to be shrunk to the most rural parts of the area if any state hopes to survive.
 * Second, I replaced Myers with MG Thompson, the historical commander of the 101st airborne at the time of Doomsday. To go along with the new size of Virginia I had him relocate the 101st to West Virginia and after taking Charleston, using it as a base for further conquest.
 * Third, I dropped references to Fort Knox. Honestly I don't think the fort would be much use to Thompson.  Trade with Superior would be a trickle at best and without a working port he would not be able to trade with the outside world.  He may secure the fort and take the gold for later use, but in the long run it is very unimportant for the survival of the state.
 * I made some other changes as well and added some ideas of my own. If you find these changes satisfactory I can see what I can do about getting this graduated.  Mitro 21:20, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Maybe, but then again maybe not. People with the skills you list are already in short supply in OTL, and there won't be that many just randomly wandering around 2 decades after Doomsday. Many would probably have already establshed themselves in smaller survivor communities, raised families, maybe even reached positions of power or influence themselves because of their knowledge. They would be teachers as well as practicioners of their expertise. Why would they give that up to move to a military dictatorship? Granted its possible the place they live now is not much better, or even worse, but once a place is home its hard to leave. Also why is Norfolk intact? The largest naval base in the world is located there and NATO's Supreme Allied Commander Atlantic is there. I feel it would have been hit by a Soviet nuke and it is marked on the Doomsday report as being hit. Plus it is still some distance from Virginia as it is. The Virginians would have to secure and rebuild the instrature in most of Virginia before they could get to the nuked city and then they would have to rebuild the port facilities that have been destroyed by the nuclear bomb. That is going to take years in not decades. It would make more sense to go to a smaller Virginian port. Mitro 17:51, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Hey I am from WV (or in Doomsday, Virginia). I assumed Wheeling would be a state. So here is a American Senater from WV named Robert Byrd and I want to know if I can add him into the story.

War in Canada
I honestly don’t think Virginia will be involved in the upcoming war in Canada. Though closer then New Britain, they are still relatively far that supply and transporting any soldiers there would be a logistical nightmare (especially since it would have to be done on land). The cost would also be too much for the Virginia economy to bear. Also much like New Britain they have nothing to gain from going to war. Virginia likely has little to no contact with either Saguenay or Canada so declaring war or not would effect little of their relationship with either party. They would gain no territory from this or any other benefit if they were on the side that won. Mitro 18:57, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Niverville
To answer your question, I really don't know. I'm not an expert on nuclear weaponry, perhaps you should ask someone else. However, as only one nuke hit Winnipeg, I think you have a pretty good chance. --DarthEinstein 22:51, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Neues Deutschland
Just some example sentences to show the difference between "neues Deutschland" and "Neudeutschland":

Oskar Lafontaine versprach dem Menschen ein neues Deutschland.

Oskar Lafontaine promised the people a new Germany.

Neues Deutschland therefore refers to a revitalised, improved Germany. Not so much a new country in its own right. An ideal name therefore to be the name of a newspaper, or to use for hollow election promises.

Die Siedler gründeten Neudeutschland.

The settlers founded New Germany.

And this the kind of New Germany you were referring to, a new country in its own right. I guess the only way to distinguish between the two is the capitalisation of the N in "New". Please keep in mind that these translator machines are only good for passive reading, and even then they can twist the very meaning of a text. --Karsten&#160;vK (talk) 12:38, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Cave City
You and GOPZACK have my blessing to use Cave City in regards to your respective countries. --BrianD 19:03, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Future of Cave City
I want all of old Kentucky, parts of old Missouri, Indiana, Illinois, Ohio and Arkansas. You can do what you will with Tennessee, West Virginia, Virginia and parts of Ohio, North Carolina. I say we split old Fort Campbell 50/50. I'll take the parts in Kentucky you can have the Tennessee part. I also think our two nations should forge closer diplomatic connections. --GOPZACK 01:55, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

If you would like a road through Kentucky so you can get to Fort Campbell The Commonwealth of Kentucky would be interested in giving you such a road. I apologize if I came across as a bully that was not my intention. I want nothing but good strong relations between our two nations I just want some set boundaries for our respective nations--GOPZACK 04:12, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

If you would like to visit the Patton Museum, if by Patton Museum you mean an abandoned building with all the resources stripped from it your more then welcome to visit anytime. As for a capital I'm thinking Lexington and whoever the mayor is of Lexington would probably do. Now the area in white represent areas under Kentucky Control The areas in the yellow box are territory Kentucky claims. We also reserve the right to expand into Indiana, Illinois and Missouri as we see fit. Thus giving you part of Kentucky and ALL of Tennessee --GOPZACK 16:03, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Ah I see, perhaps we would give you a copy of the blueprints for something in return? Like I said we are interested in forging closer relations --GOPZACK 16:26, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

The Deal
As for what I would like I want two things. #1 I would like all of Kentucky not in a shaded color and #2 an alliance between our two nations. --GOPZACK 20:29, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

I believe such an arrangement can be made for a road. Now seeing as we both want an alliance between our two nations would you be willing to spilt old Fort Campbell 50/50 then we could both invest in it's renewal saving you money. Our two nations could run joint exercises and such does that interest you? --GOPZACK 04:14, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Very good sir I think we should finalize some type of treaty very soon--GOPZACK 17:43, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

I just saw your idea for a "Southern Compact" or the "Dixie Accord" that could be the name of such a treaty--GOPZACK 17:45, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Portland, Tennessee
I agree, I say we make joint statement announcing our support for them. My expedition teams should be in the area very soon. --GOPZACK 18:00, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yank, please see comments on southern United States/Portland/"Southern Pact/Dixie Accord" under General Discussion on the 1983:DD talk page. There are a ton of ideas here that I think are worth exploring.--BrianD 19:12, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

RE: Tile mistake
oh don't worry about it, it's fine --GOPZACK 18:53, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Formal Boarder
Just to confirm you only claim the parts of Kentucky that were colored on that map correct? If so lets make that the formal boarder --GOPZACK 18:02, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps OTL Congressman Hal Rogers (R) could be the governor. As for the capital Pikeville could work, the mayor of Pikeville could be the governor as well. --GOPZACK 20:44, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Alright I've made a formal map of our two nations based off of the info you've provided. I'm unsure what territory you control in North Carolina and Tennessee so if you could let me know that would be great and I'll add it in. --GOPZACK 18:40, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

I've added in your North Carolina Claims and my proposed plan to divide the former state of Ohio --GOPZACK 00:51, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

I can do that, I also recommend if you've got any territorial gains in mind you do them soon before the LON claims them or protects them --GOPZACK 02:14, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Yes we are. don't worry about all that other crap :) --GOPZACK 16:56, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

New map
Sorry, I've been busy and haven't been working on it much. I think this week sometime I'll finish it up though. I'm sorry for how long it has taken. --DarthEinstein 17:00, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Republic of Iowa
I just wanted to say thanks for finishing the article of for me and i hope you have a good thanksgiving --Owen1983 04:16, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Ohio
Kentucky would like Ottawa County other then that it's fine --GOPZACK 02:00, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Let's go back to splitting adams county then. Besides if Kentucky was to get Ottawa county you still hold a large strip of land along the Erie Shoreline --GOPZACK 02:53, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Thought
Here's a thought, a joint Virginia/ Kentucky exploration of Washington D.C, hmm? --GOPZACK 02:29, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Virginia Flag
Sorry Yank but I am going to have to decline your request to be a judge. I am going to be disappearing for a few weeks and won't be able to properly judge the flags. Mitro 22:29, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Sure I'll be a judge --GOPZACK 22:51, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Chumash republis
I was reading that you had difficulty in adding the Chumash Republic to the world map and i am pleased to announce its been added to the map i proposed --Owen1983 17:47, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Blog
Yank, that blog post was really not the best way to handle the situation, that is why I deleted it. Now I believe your right and that Mr. X overreacted a little by your comment, but he said on my talk page he is not looking for an argument. I would suggest dropping it because making this bigger then it really is a waste of time. Mitro 02:56, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Map
Could you please fill in on this map which territory Virginia controls? --GOPZACK 02:08, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Presidents of the CSA
Please refrain from expanding or editing upon the article, because I have not completed it yet. You have been expanding upon my article and adding things that I have not agreed to and putting in things that are against my ideas. As the author of this timeline, I support that you are inspired by my timeline to the point in getting involved. But please bring your thoughts to the talk pages, and not taking it on the fly. Thank you very much for your cooperation. —Comic Sans MS&quot;; color:#00FF00" _rte_style="font-family: &quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;; color:#00FF00" _rte_attribs=" style=&#039;font-family: Comic Sans MS; color:#00FF00&#039;"&gt;Nuclear Comic Sans MS&quot;; color:#0000FF" _rte_style="font-family: &quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;; color:#0000FF" _rte_attribs=" style=&#039;font-family: Comic Sans MS; color:#0000FF&#039;"&gt;Vacuum  15:11, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Gift
I think thats a great idea but I think Bunning would use this estate in Virginian Kentucky as a vacation residence while keeping his main residence in Kentucky. Also Bunning may be leaving the Presidency in January of 2011 his public life is by no means over. I may use him as a goodwill ambassador or something. --GOPZACK 19:54, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

I like the idea but before I sign onto this I would like to know the fully plan for this alliance. Like the members, goals ect ect... --GOPZACK 22:05, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

I can support this so long as the member states have their sovereignty protected and have the right to leave the alliance at anytime without fear of being reprimanded. --GOPZACK 19:52, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Very well, I give you the green light. Start a page, add it to the list of proposals and we'll see what happens. --GOPZACK 21:11, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Unstable Earth
You can go ahead and join. Welcome to Unstable Earth! Dr. 8-Bit 23:46, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Unstable Earth is mostly ASB, but it has a specific kind of ASB: things randomly teleporting through time and space. Note "randomly" - time travel is uncontrollable to those who live *there*. It also will soon have some regular PODs once Mr.Xeight edits some stuff. A Nazi Antarctica could work, though they almost certainly aren't time-traveling - also, please check my and Mr.Xeight's talk pages, as I just brought up the concept of Nazis. So far it's looking like they worship mushrooms (just like all of the west) and hate Christians instead of Jews. Dr. 8-Bit 01:32, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, that makes more sense. Sure, just so long as they don't affect the rest of the world too much. Dr. 8-Bit 01:52, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Vietnam
Wow, that's strange. I was also planning on doing an article on Vietnam. Except, I planned on going the oposit direction with the communists surviving and formin a loose union with Laos and Cambodia, similar to ATL SAC or the Nordic Union. I had an early draft of the story, but maybe it would be more interesting to see a democratic, capitalist Vietnam emerge. In my opinion, Hanoi wouldn't be nuked, it wasn't that important. But regardles if it was or wasn't, you could say that the government fell because of the Chinese flocking into Vietnam. Oh, and could you perhaps tell me if you would like to do any other countries in Indochina? Because I had a few plans for other nations.Vladivostok 05:54, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * The fact that Vietnam is not a heavy hitter doesn't matter. They are still a Soviet ally and like the Warsaw Pact nations, Afghanistan, North Korea and others, they will likely be targeted on Doomsday.  Mitro 14:12, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

WV Targets
I had my doubts about the hotel, but the steel mills could be a likely target. The point of the Nike missiles were to protect against Soviet bombers carrying nuclear weapons. Yes the ICBM made them obsolete, thus the Soviets would just send an ICMB against the steel mills in WV. I used Nike missile site as an example to show how the steel mills of south Chicago were important targets. I don't understand why you think the introduction of the ICBM would make them a non-target.

Also there is a big difference between a product that is made and a natural resource. It would be impossible to destroy a natural resource like coal, but it is possible to destroy the factories that make steal. It is these factories that made the US a world power and I doubt the Soviets would leave such useful resources to whatever is left of the US. That is why many of the large cities would be destoryed, not because of their populations but what they provide to the United States government and military. Mitro 21:09, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

Virginia/Portland contingent thrown out of Jackson at gunpoint
How shall the Dixie Alliance respond to this? --GOPZACK 05:05, February 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I expect that Virginia won't take this lightly. For all of the perceptions of Virginia floating out there, Jackson is ten times crazier (without the tanks and 20th century weapons). This isn't anywhere on the wiki, yet, but Jackson is run by a bunch of survivalists and crazed Army vets who managed to get order in the region, then shut the place down (they kicked out Portland reps sometime in the 1990s - I do think there's some reference to that ont he Portland page or the Tennessee page). As I said, the nutjobs don't have tanks, but that didn't keep them from trying to build their own...so there's an opportunity for one of you guys to draw up a scenario with the Thompson tank versus the Jackson "tank". Use your own imagination as to what that thing looks like :) BrianD 05:23, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

A Thought
There is a place called the Raven Rock Mountain Complex in southern Pennsylvania just south of Gettysburg which was meant to serve as a "underground Pentagon in the event of a nuclear war. By the time of Doomsday this facility no longer held the same importance that it did in the 1950's and 60's. From what I know Virginia controls the Maryland panhandle correct? If so this place could still exist and is worth exploring. Perhaps with a bit of restoration it could serve as the HQ for the Dixie Alliance. --GOPZACK 04:27, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Heres another possible location, the National Audio-Visual Conservation Center. Which I believe is in Virginian territory.--GOPZACK 21:25, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why not use The Greenbrier Hotel? It has the benefit of being in the core territory of the member, plus it likely still has some of the equipment that would have been used for communications, etc. in case of nuclear war. Its also probably in pretty good shape compared to anything outside DA member territory. Furthermore we know it survived Doomsday. Mitro 22:16, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

So long as Yank doesn't take issue I'm fine with that. --GOPZACK 22:24, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

PUSA
Yank most of what you have said has been said before (in one form or another) by myself and others, but this "endless stream of naive fools" you mention is something that I think only you noticed. No offense man but from my POV what happened on Talk:Provisional United States (1983: Doomsday) was that a new user made a suggestion and you jumped down his throat. Consider our first interaction. Consider how you felt when I orginally nominated the first version of Virginia for deletion (then known as the Washigton Empire) instead of talking with you first. It was a mistake on my part and I apoligized, but now you have gone and made the same mistake I made. Also would you have reacted the same way if that same new user did not mention Virginia? Just some food for thought. Mitro 19:27, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

King Andrew in Assiniboia
Yeah thats fine, the idea was that King Andrew is going to spending a few months in each of his royal dominions to try and forge closer relations. Bob 16:44, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

Steel
It would be too costly to rebuild steel mills that were destroyed during a nuclear war. It would make more sense just to build some new ones somewhere else. Mitro 03:14, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Reverting your Revert
Yankovic - I don't know if you celebrate today's holiday, or that you're even aware of what today's holiday is, but I've reverted your revert of Ben's post about the ANZC going commie. Louisiannan 18:19, April 1, 2010 (UTC) ROFLMAO! happy April Fools Day!18:39, April 1, 2010 (UTC)Wingman1

East Africa/Sudan
I'm creating a Sudanese sucsessor state in South Sudan and i'm wondering what your ideas on what happened in Sudan after doomsdayVegas adict 14:36, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

One thing to remember would be that Sudan was allready in a civil war at the time of doomsday between the Sudan Peoples Liberation Army and the governmentVegas adict 14:58, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Dixie Alliance
Remember the Dixie Alliance is a joint venture between you & me, any offers of military assistance or any other type of involvement regarding the Dixie Alliance needs to be run by me. I don't mean to be a nag or anything I just want to remind you I have a seat at the table as well. --GOPZACK 02:28, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

New Richmond
I think they would never move to a "New Richmond." Remember that the Virginian Republic is centered on West Virginia, not Virginia. This is the same West Virginia that seceded from the state of Virginia to stay with the union during the Civil War. They really are not that tied to Virginia history after that point and I really doubt they would be trying to make themselves look more like the Old Dominion. The current capitol of the VR is likely to be their capitol for a long time. Mitro 18:17, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Help with Images
Hi, I have a question with trying to get the little flags in an info box for a battle, as in my article Rhineland Conflict. I have France's flag in, but I can't get the Prussian flag to show up!

If you could help me, or refer me to someone else who could help, that would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks Tbguy1992 16:44, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Fargo
Hey, Yank. After seeming to have come to an agreement on Fargo, you changed the text back to stating that Fargo "voted to become part of Assiniboia." I thought I had made myself clear, Fargo is an important part of North Dakota - its biggest city and uneffected by the bombing of the air bases and silos in the northern part of the state. You are basing Assiniboia on an old map made by the first claimants of the land, and not on any activity that would be likely to re-establish those exact boundaries.

I am proposing that a line, drawn across the north boundaries of McLean, Sheridan, Wells and Eddy counties (North 47° 50') would be a good boundary. The lower halves of Nelson and Grand Forks counties would be south of that line, and could either go with North Dakota or Assinobia. I figure that land has mostly been abandoned anyway, but some of the villages in the latter two counties might want to keep the whole counties under local control.

When Zack asked me to help in the Dakotas, I assume that a viable remnant remains east of the Missouri -- of both states. Unless there is a very good reason, I don't think we should relinquish Fargo to Assiniboia. SouthWriter 17:23, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

UPDATE
With recent activity on the Assinobia article, the fact that the issue of Fargo, ND, "voting" to become part of Assinobia was never settled. You left it in the text and on the info box. You put a note at the bottom, speaking of the article about the Dakotas still being a proposal, but actually, it was graduated as a "stub," meaning that the claims on the territory remain in the hands of the legitimate governments of the Dakotas - meeting as one under a provisional flag. Zack and I have not worked on the page, but with the recent scrutiny that Assinobia has had (and the new map), I think that this has to be rectified. Without Fargo all of North Dakota might as well be "given away."

No hard feelings, but I don't want this essensially Canadian nation gobbling up a large part of an American state (or two). The new map just barely crosses over the line, which - as you stated - is just about the way you envisioned it. SouthWriter 23:13, October 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * South, I'll take the heat for this: I had originally put that in the article just before the Dakota's was made and put on proposal. I had done that because of the original map, but forgot to take it out. I'm sorry about that: I'll go fix it. Tbguy1992 00:24, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, TB. I've been busy on other projects and have just not got back to the Dakotas.  I need to prioritize and get some work done on some of "my" articles. SouthWriter 01:23, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

List of National Historic Landmarks in Virginia
I added a few locations to the Cumberland & you can find more here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Historic_Places_listings_in_Kentucky --GOPZACK 20:16, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

New Articles
Please don't forget to make mention of these new articles on the main discussion page. --GOPZACK 20:48, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

please read and comment on Russian Empire (Constantine's Russia). Please? --Catherine 22:28, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

I am tired of your shit. Please read Russian Empire (Constantine's Russia). I would appericate it. --Catherine 04:31, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Excuse my language, but f*ck you! I am sorry you don't like it. That is your choice, mr. yankovic270. Fuck it. --Catherine 04:54, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

What the fuck is the meaning for our argument. I am sorry. --Catherine 05:09, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Alright then/

I also have a question. I do not mean to be rude or anything..What gender are you? --Catherine 05:16, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

A girl. --Catherine 05:23, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Are you shocked at the news you just recieved? --Catherine 05:36, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

well, have a good day/or night, depending on which part of the US you're living in. --Catherine 05:42, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

I live in Colorado Springs, Colorado, United States. --Catherine 05:47, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Foolish Canadian. You keep on changing what I post, which I do not like. Next thing you know, your saying "Calthrina950 is a wuss, and I am going to mess with her," Bastard. Excuse my language. --Catherine 15:58, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Why do you keep on changing what I add? You are acting like a little baby. --Catherine 16:53, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Fool! --Catherine 17:07, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the Arguments
I am sorry for what I said to you, our arguments, etc. I will not say anything hostile you anymore, and will try to state my opinions in a clear and civilized manner, or I won't say them at all. --Catherine 19:23, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Why do you keep on deleting what I add? I aleready apologized, and I will do so on the main page. --Catherine 20:54, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

If you want to, it's your turn on Human Evolution (Map Game). --Catherine 14:58, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Please write the next turn for Human Evolution (Map Game). --Catherine 00:17, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Your turn again on Human Evolution (Map Game). --Catherine 00:35, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Do not forget your turn on Human Evolution! I get tired of waiting for some 20 minutes for you to post your turn, then I post it quickly, then I wait another 20 minutes for you to post another turn. --Catherine 01:18, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

"I will post when I feel like it"
Well, posting when you feel like it is once every hour, and that get's boring. Other people are not online for it. And it took you about 16 minutes just to post a reply to the comment I leave you. And it might take you like a hour to post a comment for this one. So, post when you feel like, if you want to. --Catherine 01:23, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

French response
I didn't see anything about you owning Florida, too bad...Smallpox 03:36, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

We will stop hostilities once we have Neu Prussia again, France could not just sit idly as another of her colonies is engulfed, that would bring great shame, if I had just let you take the Floridian Colony France's government would have lost face, it's a good moral boost to...Smallpox 04:03, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

No. Despite what you think, you are wrong. Neu Prussia is not, and will never be a Prussian colony. It is a Prussian colony stolen from its evil owners. I ask you to forget about Neu Prussia, and concentrate on improving the colonies you earned...Smallpox 04:25, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Yankovic, stop editing MY TURN, what you're doing is against the rules, don't make me report you...Smallpox 04:45, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Fine, since your being such a scrooge about it, I'll let you keep your territiry, but in exchange Prussia must sign a non-aggression pact with France and pay for damages...Smallpox 04:48, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Truth, Honor, Valor, and Dignity. All of these traits, these shards of divinity are held within all of us. Yet you ground them to dust, as an alchemist does with pestle and mortar! Vileness and cruelty are your succor, and so, as it has been for centuries, I stand against you as my ancestors did, and will lay you low, so that your blight will no longer scar my world...Smallpox 04:55, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Uhm, hello, you attacked MY FLORIDIAN COLONY FIRST...Smallpox 04:57, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Do not play dumb with me, I know you're smarter than that...Smallpox 05:05, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Do you truly seek to frighten me with your mad ramblings? There is only one deity here, and I am she. How many times have you refused my gifts? I have pressed the very keys to paradise in your hand, and you threw them in the dirt. Enough! I will have my satisfaction as my claws caress your steaming entrails, worm!...Smallpox 05:05, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

I have been waiting too long for your turn on Human Evolution (Map Game). --Catherine 05:04, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't see that!...Smallpox 22:44, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

TOO LONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My lord, man. You are taking soo damn long!!!!!!!!!!!! --Catherine 18:07, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Fuck. Don't you tell me to fuck myself any-time soon. --Catherine 18:32, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Fuck you, child-like Canadian. Since you called me a Yankee bitch, I might as well call you a royalist bastard, kissing the Queen of fuckin England's hand, and saying "Oh My Majesty, you are the supreme ruler, oh god lord...............god god god, you have all the prestige and honor." --Catherine 19:04, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

How dare you say something about my country! For all I know, the queen heavily influences the government of England, and she says "The Prime ministers runs the government in my name" while the bastards go up and ask her "advice", in which she says "I want you to sign that treaty" or "I won't let you pass that law". --Catherine 19:15, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

I am not Ignorant, Fool!
For your information, I have read about the histories and government of Great Britain, both in school and at home, for I love history. Canadian history I am bored in. Anyways, Americans are not ignorant, and you do realise that the United States can bomb Canada and Britain to kingdom-come and back again. So can Russia. We actually have the strongest military AND economy on the planet, while you depend on American exports more then anything else. And we are self-sufficent in natural resources, but we try to fully exploit them. So bastard, Canada could one day be annexed by America, and one day you will be able to elect a President, just like us! Your Prime Minister is not directly elected by you, he is appointed by the Queen (or in her absence, the Queen's Governor-General), according to which party has the most seats in Parilament. He basically has no offical status, and is only a de facto (in opinion of the people and government) office, while de jure Prime Minister's position doesn't even exist! So there is a stupid American for you, you little foolish Canadian! --Catherine 19:35, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

He surely is a blemish to the Canadian image...Smallpox 22:45, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Why the Hell do we keep fighting?
I wonder why we keep arguing over things. I am tired and irritated of it, but every time I apologize, I then do something to provoke it again. Perhaps we just not contact each-other. Or we should just sign a deal over these manners. All of this stuff makes no fuckin sense. --Catherine 21:24, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Well alright then. We might as well have some distance between us. --Catherine 21:42, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Yea sorry about that

BoredMatt 23:24, June 1, 2010 (UTC)BoredMatt

Bahamas
There are enough islands in the Bahamas for both of us, I think, you tell me...Smallpox 20:47, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

You have to write the stuff down when you do that, I'll give you more of the Islands on the map now though, if that's okay with you, of course...Smallpox 21:08, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Colonization Map Game
From now on, I'm going to help you expulse Smallpox from your old colonies. Fedelede

What? I haven't stole any of his colonies lately (heh heh, sorry!), have I? Also, no need to bring personal feelings into a GAME, if that's what you're doing. Also, from what I gather, Prussia and France are getting along swimmingly right now...Smallpox 00:37, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Generating animosity towards your allies, good plan, Again, I'm sorry, but get over it, it's a game...Smallpox 00:59, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Russia and Prussia
I know it seems a little much, but if the borders are agreed upon, then the Tsar of Russia (ME!!) well be OK with that. After all I dont wish to make enemies of new friends. Also if anyone else is in the alliance that was not previously mentioned in my post where I set the boarders then do tell me.--DaBigUn 03:39, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

if a war would to happen, would Prussia declare neutrality, as they have more to loose then France and are far enough away to not worry about any of their colony being attacked, but they do boarder Russia (or at least and allie of the motherland) back in Europe. This is not meant to be a threat, just an assessment.--DaBigUn 15:47, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

How do I join?
I was thinking about becoming a contributor for 1983DD, and I was wondering if you could tell me how to join. I've already read all of pages they tell you to read but I'm not sure how to sign up. Could you tell me? I knoe the red text below says otherwise, but if you search the wiki, you'll find my page.

-Ownerzmcown

Deletion?
Read the introduction, Yank! This time line specifically leaves out the "cross" or any other intervention of the Creator. The timeline MUST advance with NO interference from any supernatural source whatsoever. The fact that I require that the timeline has to be within the perimeters of the Biblical record does not make it a "violation" of the No Cross No Crown "rule."

EVERYTHING in this time line proceeds on an assumption that man is ON HIS OWN. I am only starting from the premise that the record in Genesis 1 and 2 is true. That should not be a "crime" in this forum.

If I must, I can begin my own wiki. But I don't won't to have to go there. Althistory.com is a fine place to work. What say the rest of you folk? SouthWriter 17:21, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Croatia
Hey Yank, I'd like for you to check out the changes I made to Croatia. I somehow feel that a bloody ending to Yugoslavia would be much more plausible than a peaceful one. Make no mistake that the OTL Yugoslav war was waged to in the name of some ideal of a joint state of South Slavic nations, it was simply a Serbian attempt at creating a "Greater Serbia". Thus, it would have most likely happened in this TL as well.--Vladivostok 09:54, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

1600
Dude don't edit ahead in the map games BoredMatt 22:43, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Virginia (1983DD)
Actually dude, the fiberglass-stocked M-14A2's that the Armory in Winchester were producing beats the AK family in several respects:

Accuracy: Have YOU ever fired off an AK? The bullet is designed for punching through unarmored flesh at less than 200 yards. After 300, the round stops in it's revolutions and typically goes flying off to the right.

With an M-14, I can put in a group of 5 at 300 yards in 8 inches square in ten seconds. And I'm only 14!

Firepower: If you are of the spray-and-pray denomination, then I can't argue with that. The AK would literally blow any assault rifle away at under 50 yards. But when you consider the sheer destructive capabilities of the 7.62x51/.308 Winchester, it is, IMO, the best round ever designed for an assault/battle rifle.

Ease of use: In 1983, there was only 7 establishments in the US with the correct tooling to produce AK's. 5 were scattered out west, one was in New York, and the other was in Springfield, Illinois. How would Virginia make them? And, if Virginia is as jingoistic as you described, then why would they use a Communist weapon? I know that they just want the best for their troops, but still!

And on the M-16, I agree. The A4 version is actually not that bad, but the rest......no comment.

BoredMatt 13:22, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Yes the FAL is great, (the only reason why the US didn't adopt it is because FN wouldn't release the tooling for it, they finally liscenced it in 1990). I have no problems with the AK's reliability, but there is no way that Virginia can suddenly start producing them out of nowhere (the closest area where the plans would have been kept un-nuked would have been a place in Texas) and the manpower and time needed to either

A: Retool the armory in Winchester from producing the excellent M-14 (as well as the ammo, where are you going to find a deal like that?) to the AK, while not having the blueprints for it.

B: Start a factory from scratch without the plans for the tooling, while ignoring the perfectly good factory in Winchester.

I just don't see why someone as intelligent as your Colonel completely ignoring a ready-made factory producing a great gun (and the ammo) that was untouched by DD and redesigning the AK from some 20-year-old technical report by the NSA, setting up a completely new factory for it, and training the troops on it, when nobody under his command has any experience actually using the gun. BoredMatt 14:17, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Winchester, VA, in the northern Shanendoah. As I said before, it was closed down in either 87 or 88.BoredMatt 14:48, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

And an AK looks more anachronistic than an M-14? And why the hell would Virginian troops wear civil war uniforms? WTF? We've got a lot of re-enactors here, but there is no practical reason why they would wear them. If they're centered around the 101st/West VA, wouldn't you think they would at least wear fatigues or hunting clothes? You didn't really explain the AK thing, either. BoredMatt 15:09, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Plus, this being f***ing Virgina, why the hell would you have them wear Union uniforms? They would be shot on site in most places!

Also, if, hypothetically, Virginia suddenly started producing AKs out of nowhere, then why couldn't they string together some camo fatigues? No matter how much the uniforms give the soldiers a history lesson, (namely, how itchy and hot the soldiers were, Virginia being so fucking humid right now that right now if I go outside it feels like I'm swimming through the air), dark blue in the forests of Virginia doesn't exactly work out too well. I've tried it when I go paint-balling, and.......it doesn't work.

If YOU knew your history (or basic geography), you would realize that Virginia does not produce cotton, they produce tobacco (44% of the entire nation's!!). Also, W. VA would probably only have 1/3 of Virginia's population (you've got a good bit of Virginia proper, plus Tennessee), plus, again, how exactly would wearing civil-war era clothing be in any way beneficial to the military.

And on an alternative fabric, that's fine, but you can't just make up things to reinforce your argument. BoredMatt 15:49, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, Matt, he can! But then, his is more fictional than some in TTL. --SouthWriter 17:15, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, then, answer me this: We're talking about West Virginia here, so there is bound to be countless militias with various camo clothing. Plus, West VA is deer hunting central for the entire east coast, it would make sense for the Republic to just say, "We need uniforms, could you give us your hunting gear?", as opposed to the Republic saying, "We need uniforms, let's set up a factory to produce civil war fatigues that haven't been improved on in 120 years, that hold no potential benefits for us other than being relatively cheap to produce, using an entirely new material that would have to have it's own factory to produce it." And, of course, there is the small matter of getting the material needed, and to process it. BoredMatt 16:21, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Why not have fatigues like this:


 * You know, Yank, this young man has you going around in circles! It is a bit hard to read the conversation, looking between user talk pages and all, but I get the gist of the arguments being made. The weapon of choice is going to be the one readily available, especially with a young economy like that of the Virginian Republic. Since he seems to be a native Virginian, I would go with his suggestions if I were you. The general nature of the of the article need not change, but it would be a lot more realistic if we listened to some learned advice.

Do you think I coul work with you on this? I know we were disagreeing on a lot of the military stuff, but I do know a whole lot about the area, and I could help you with that. BoredMatt 00:34, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, if the regime had wanted to process plant life for fiber, the abundant crops of tobacco, having lost most of their market, could be used in some way. If not, perhaps this would necessitate the opening of trade with the Piedmont Republic, at the time still a major textile producer with the added bonus of some cotton fields to the south of its "official" borders. That would in turn foster exploration by the Piemontan government to acquire more of this resource. --SouthWriter 17:15, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, that's fine. But still, the way you make the virginians look (that is, sort of a practical, spartan democracy), then why would they keep the uniforms? If they are that practical and militaristic, then wouldn't they choose substance over style? BoredMatt 01:04, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yugoslavia in general
Hey Yank, I'd really like to hear your plans for this region, and perhaps if I could write about the rest of the region. Right now, I'm in the dark regarding your ideas and/or wether you had any questions about the one's you are currently writing. Remember, If you have any questions about the region, don't hesitate to ask.--Vladivostok 06:52, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I somehow feel Slovenia wouldn't be to thrilled about that. Believe me, they are better of being a close ally of the Alpine Confederation. Serbia in a union with Montenegro, that I totally agree with you. Perhaps there would be a partition of Kosovo between the various ethnic groups? Just thinking out loud. Oh, and in an ideal world, some form of Bosnia would be free.


 * As for myself, I'd probably be doing what I'm doing now. Trying desperately to get into university and major in English and Russian studies. Oh, and on a side note, do you realize we are currently two of the oldest users, alongside Oer perhaps, that are active on DD83 at the moment?--Vladivostok 10:39, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

I feel like an interloper here, but this "conversation" showed up on my watch list (Yank's work is crucial to the time line!). Anyway, I assume Vlad means that you two have been writing for longer than most on this time line. If "old" was according to "age" I probably have you all beat. As for you in TTL, Vlad, why don't you insert yourself in the story line, or at least put yourself on the "Honorary Citizens" page. --SouthWriter 13:17, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Exactly what I was thinking. So, we are agreed,the current Yugoslavia page will reflect the changes after we create and graduate the various articles, while the Serbia article would naturally have to change its name into Serbia and Montenegro. The only catch is that I'll have to come up with an idea regarding Venice, as it controls Istria, a peninsula which is a part of Croatia. Now, I suppose I could leave that to instability and the native Italians living their, I'll flesh that part out in the post-Yugoslavian war part of the history. So, how do we go about this? I'll do Croatia and Slovenia, you do Serbia and Montenegro and Macedonia and we end Bosnia together?
 * And yes, Albania is a mystery. There was some talk regarding the countries fate, but nothing concrete. I suggest we nuke Tirana and be gone with it, it was a Chinese ally after all, and if Vienna and Belgrade would be hit, why not Tirana as well?--Vladivostok 11:09, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Winter Guard
I've decided to stick with the current name for the Russian team, the Winter Guard, no point in changing a perfectly good name. Here are the descriptions:

Winter Guard
The Winter Guard is an amalgamation of past Soviet superheroes groups. It was organized after the events that occured on Doomsday. It is a continuation of the Soviet Super-Soldiers team.
 * Winter Soldier:Having been sent to Siberia during the events of Doomsday, Alexi Shostakov, the then current Red Guardian was caught in the nuclear blast over Novosibirsk. Clinging to life, he survived the events of Doomsday, loosing his arm and earning a distinctive scar on his face in the process. He, alongside Mikhail Ursus, was the only member of the former team to have survived and was the driving force to its renewal. Having been given an advanced prosthetic arm, he leads the team, coordinating their service from Krasnoyarsk, rarely venturing in the field himself.
 * Red Guard: Anton Shostakov, the son of the Winter Guard, was the perfect candidate for the next Red Guardian. From birth, Anton was trained in the newly reestablished Red Room, being one of its finest graduates. He has also received extensive military training from his father. He is the public face of the team, being a symbol of the USSR's steady renewal.
 * Ursa Major: Mikhail Ursus was one of the original members of the Soviet Super-Soldier team and after receiving an invitation to join the new team, he readily accepted. Possessing the strength and the likeness of a bear when transformed, he is truly a force to be reckoned with. He is also a mutant rights activist in Siberia. Through his activism, the mutant community in Siberia has slowly started to become a vocal supporter of the government that once tried to enslave them.
 * Darkstar II:As the former Darkstar, Laynia Petrovna, was killed during Doomsday. Reena Stancioff, one of the best female recruits of the Siberian army, was choosen to possess the darkstar gem, replicating the powers of the original Darkstar. Although frightened by its awesome power, Reena has slowly come to terms with her newfound powers, alleviating crisis after crisis.
 * Radioactive Man: Having witnessed the awesome power of the atom at a very young age, Chen Lu, a Manchurian refugee, decided to dedicate his life to curing radation sickness, as well as being an adamant advocate of arms reduction. One day, after assuming he had reached a breakthrough in his work, an accident in his research caused the doctor to radiate extreme amounts of radiation, as well as the ability to absorb and manipulate high levels of radiation for a number of purposes and effects. Thinking the government would be able to ultimately help him control his powers, Lu readily joined the Winter Guard.
 * The Killer:Vladimir Granitsky, whose only codename is "The Killer", exhibited his unique abilities at a very early age. At the age of five, he managed to kill an eagle in mid-flight, simply by witnessing a military sharpshooter do the same. After being sent to the military to test his abilities, it was revealed that Vladimir possessed photographic reflexes, being able to copy any humanly possible feat, just by witnessing it. From then on, having trained and surpassed the scores of the original Black Widow in the Red Room, as well as having received its version of the Super-Soldier serum, Vladimir has been a part of the Winter Guard since 2006, mostly going on black-ops assignments, together with the second Black Widow.
 * Black Widow II:Yelena Chang, having been born to a Russian general and Chinese scientist, was part of the Red Room since a very early age. Having received the same training as her peers, Vladimir and Anton, she has been given the moniker of Black Widow, as she was able to equal the scores of Natasha Romanov, the original Black Widow. Mostly assigned to black-ops missions together with The Killer.

So, what do you think?--Vladivostok 15:47, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Glad you like it. And if I may be so bold and ask, could I by any chance flesh out the story of the various already existing characters of Viriginian Comics? Maybe right up something about the Multiverse. And yes, I'm a huge Marvel fanboy. And I have an excellent idea about who Captain Canada should be from the regular continuity.--Vladivostok 17:27, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Virginian Comics
Ok then, I'll start work on fleshing out the current characters tomorrow, perhaps even universes. Since we'll probably stick with the main universe, one thought comes to mind. What about DC characters? Did you want them to be in their own universe, or is it something that exists together now?--Vladivostok 19:20, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Now that's awesome. Guess I'll have to read up on my DC. It would be really interesting to find out where the "Man of Steel" was during Doomsday, probably not on Earth.(sorry, just thinking out loud, the nerd is strong in me) Oh, and the list of dead superheroes would need to be stagering.--Vladivostok 19:48, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well then I hope that Van Helsing and Blade are dead, because otherwise, Dracula is dead meat. Would that then make Blade the villain? Anyway, I'd just like to make things clear on who lived and who died. Now, an exact list is impossible, but I would assume that there would be no X-Men (a nuke would probably hit Xavier's school directly), Batman killed off or otherwise old by the time the comics started, Tony Stark, Spider-Man, I mean, these would all be safe bets, if it was the real world. Of course, we could make it up as we go along, but this would make things nice and neat.--Vladivostok 20:12, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * But you didn't think of a number of things. Time travel, cloning, or more simply put, a descendant of Van Helsing wouldn't be out of order. Oh, I didn't tell you my idea for Captain Canada. Only the most awesome Canadian in all of Marvel comics: Wolverine of course! Now that would be kick ass.--Vladivostok 20:30, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, adamantium would play a part in it. But most likely the healing factor would play the biggest part in the whole process. At least his brain wouldn't have been fried by the nuke. Or he simply wouldn't have been in Westchester during Doomsday. That would be the most easiest explanation. On a side note, the radiation would make the Hulk virtually unstoppable. Maybe he would be Maestro by now, now that would be great.--Vladivostok 20:52, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course, he is a strong possibility. But the problem is Superman, or anyone who comes close to his power. The man is literaly able to go back in time by himself. This sort of world shattering thing would undoubtably make him do such a thing. He needs to be somewhere out of the picture. We could send him to the Marvel-based Negative Zone, or perhaps that prison Zod was in, the name eludes me at the moment. There is a really huge list of survivors to choose from, really. It all depends on our imagination. But we should agree on not making it too crowded. Maybe guilt-ridden Magneto decides to help humanity survive? And perhaps an ANZC based Super-Soldier program creates their version of a team. Perhaps led by Green Lantern?--Vladivostok 21:53, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

I think DC comics are clearly your field of expertice, but you have to admit Superman is sometimes capable of doing extraordinary things, while at other times, he proves incapable of doins said feats. But he would definately have to be off world, at least for the duration of Doomsday. As for Magneto, well, he is the Master of Magnetism, isn't he? he could have deflected a missile coming his way. At least in theory. I'm not quite sure when his asteroid came into play, did the comic book writers create it before Doomsday? If so, he could have been there. Or he could have been in the Savage Lands or Genosha for that matter. Oh yeah, Black Panthe, definitely a survivor, as well as Wakanda.--Vladivostok 22:11, June 24, 2010 (UTC) Naturally they would be Australian, I was thinking of simply creating the names and people from scratch, although I'd maybe use one of the already existing Green Lanterns who would most likely survive and thus fit into the story. I'll think of a name for a Virginian "Captain America", but you know how hard it is for the Super-Soldier serum to work as intended. The Russian one was however a safer bet. Anyhow, it could be something simple, like the Patriot, or something to do with well known Virginian symbols. Or the person could be strictly human and then raised to be the perfect specimen, like the MVP character in newer stories. Or he can be dark and gritty, like a mix between Batman and the Punisher. But there is also one other issue. What Superman would we use? The one before Doomsday was the strongest one, he was the Silver Age one. Do we reduce his powers or keep them as such. Personally, I'd like to see him retire, work on a farm in the Australian Outback.--Vladivostok 16:53, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

I like the Batman thing, as I already said. Now, Tony Stark's child could have been born in Australia, why not? Now, would he know from the beginning he was his son? Because there wouldn't be a whole lot of people around to tell him post-DD. And as far as the story goes, you've probably seen that I've mentioned some past events. I was thinking of mentioning them in some short summary of the story, but I'd like to know if you agree with what has been written. Oh, and how do you feel of writing what comics are currently being published: Yay or Nay?--Vladivostok 17:48, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, that could happen. Do you perhaps know if by 1983 the whole story arc of him quiting alcohol happened? If not, it would be a nice touch to make him a sort of deadbeat dad, while his son learned of his greatness only after he died.--Vladivostok 18:29, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Napoleon's World
Mussolini must have been born way before 1922, if I'm not mistaken?KingSweden 20:57, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

I like your thinking. Right in the spirit of the Alternate Destinies page. KingSweden 22:00, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Oh and just to make sure that what you write stays canon, southern Italy would be independent as the Papal States during the lifetime of Mussolini, but northern Italy is part of the French Empire. Also, Kim Il-sung is killed in 1945 during the Korean Civil War. Have a look here: Korea (Napoleon's World). Just a heads up. KingSweden 22:06, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

I love what you've done with Mussolini, Kim, Booth, and the lot of them, and especially Mark Hamill as a nice pleasant surprise, but three things: 1) careful with Churchill, he's got a place in Canon already. More details on that here: England (Napoleon's World) and The Anarchy (Napoleon's World). Second, I'd like to expand the Lincoln section personally, but put whatever you had in mind on there first. Thirdly, out of curiosity, who is Samuel Kinison? Keep up the good work, I love what you're doing, and let me know of any questions you have regarding Napoleon's World canon. Regards, KingSweden 04:27, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

I enjoy your interest in the TL. I've left my comments about Ontario (which I'm afraid breaches canon) on the page's talkpage. Sorry. KingSweden 23:45, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds great. Look forward to seeing what you come up with for that. KingSweden 00:57, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Also, since you seem to have a knack for turning people into actors (which I love, I think it adds to the TL) I encourage you to check out and add to the Film (Napoleon's World) page - I started the article somewhat with your contributions in mind. KingSweden 01:01, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

I feel like I'm coming off the wrong way here: I love your contributions, they're great! I'm a sports fanatic, that's a big part of how so many characters wind up in the sports world - besides, it's very easy to throw together a quick sports/acting bio, while the geopolitical ramifications of politics takes longer to flesh out and consider. I'll get to work on Lincoln as soon as I can, I've been busy with work the past few days. KingSweden 02:10, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Macedonia
Thanks a lot with the flag and CoA, but I still need a map, its not of just OTL Macedonia, its of a region called Greater Macedonia, and when can I take the Creation and Proposal things down? Ownerzmcown 1:12, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Honorary Citizen
Well, I guess I could do something, just for the hell of it. And look up, I had a couple of ideas for the Virginian main hero, let me know what you think. Oh, and I'm surprised that your a year younger. I somehow always thought you were some middle aged guy from Manitoba.--Vladivostok 10:37, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I missed your birthday, Dustin. I just checked back to your profile when I saw you had changed your age on the Honarary Citizen page. By the way, would you really be going to Bible College if you were stuck on the farm? SouthWriter 03:55, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

Congrats
Congratulations on being moved up to constable :-)Arstarpool 18:20, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Constabulary
You've been given Rollback rights, which means you can more easily revert vandals but are not a full admin. My concern has been that you've shown a tendency to escalate disagreements into fierce battles of wills. It's definitely improved lately, but as an admin with banning powers, this tendency could be very bad for the community. I (/we) think it's best to give you a chance at this level first. Benkarnell 18:29, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Bangladesh
Just a quick note, your map for Bangladesh highlights Sri Lanka. Arstarpool 04:03, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Association of Southeast Asian Nations
Hi, might I edit your article and add new members and flags. VENEZUELA 14:30, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

You should also remember to bring it up with the people who created all the member states. You pissed a lot of people off with the stunt you pulled on the "Commonwealth of Nations", Vene. Arstarpool 15:38, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Please? VENEZUELA 23:31, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Please Answer me! VENEZUELA 02:34, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Seeing that are the althists' main contributor to the Indo-China region, would you like to work on together? Arstarpool 16:23, July 5, 2010 (UTC) Thank you! Do you have any ideas in general for the area? Arstarpool 01:22, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Question
Is that Knuckles the Echinda on your page? Arstarpool 01:25, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

So I'm assuming your pumped up for STH4? Arstarpool 02:58, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

They've been coming out with pure shit since Sonic Unleashed. So I'm just gonna stick to SADX for now. Arstarpool 05:04, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

A page I made largely with you and Tbguy1992 in mind: Film (Napoleon's World). As always, have fun with it, keep coming up with clever ideas (a la Kim Jong-Il, loved that one) but stick to the canon when appropriate. Regards, KingSweden 16:29, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Florida-Virginia Relations
Would it be okay if I wrote in that after the VP of S. Florida's tour of the continent, that South Florida has become interested in Virginia's coal and munitions industries? Arstarpool 23:42, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

...Very well. And what would Florida's "rank" be? Would it be the port state, the "Navy" state, or the "gateway" state? Here are my ideas:


 * South Florida's Key West, after being leveled after a non-nuclear strike due to its' proximity to Cuba, was rebuilt as an island port city and gateway to North America. It has the most access to international markets, from the Caribbean to South America, Mexico to Africa, its' citizens have the best of the best in terms of foreign goods.


 * The Naval equipment from Guantanamo Bay, the best equipped U.S. Navy base in OTL, and I'm assuming TTL too, completes the military triangle of the DA.


 * South Florida's proximity to the second and first world nations of the Post-Doomsday provides a gateway for any of those seeking passage to other nations, as well as the opportunity to take a luxurious vacation in the Caribbean for the rich.

Thoughts? Arstarpool 05:04, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

For personal reasons, I have finally decided to exclude South Florida. Thank you for your ideas, and I wish the best to Florida-Virginian relations. Arstarpool 04:35, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Haha I love It
Find out Larry the Cable Guy's real name, relocate him to Tacoma (in ATL, this is the city that developed in the Puget Sound as opposed to Seattle (which is an OTL Tacoma-sized port called Alki Bay)) and guns away, my friend. KingSweden 02:55, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

If Carrey had been elected first in '94 and reelected, wouldn't he have left office after the 2002 election? Just a thought haha, hate to be a stickler. KingSweden 03:01, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Whitney sounds a lot like Paul Allen, which is actually kinda funny since my dad used to work for Allen back in the 90's. Since Kinison was your idea, how's this: he becomes a famous scientist in some field? I'm not a very sciencey guy (I don't think anyone on this Wiki really is, we're all history nerds after all) but that area seems to be lacking from the Alternate Destinies page. KingSweden 03:57, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Orleans
Do you mind if i fill out Oreleans a bit? Arstarpool 16:22, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Virginia
Hey Yank, I pointed out some stuff that are wrong with Virginia on its talk page. A lot of these are issues that other people have talked to you about, but you have ignored. Arstarpool 02:15, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

You have made a solid point. But how did they get all of the territory they now control? They pretty much control all of Virginia except for what Delmarva controls! Arstarpool 23:41, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

So now the ultra-professional military is building yet another nation in the Deep South. Yank, I read the first revisions of "Virginia". The Washingtonian Empire? Mitro shot that down, didn't he? You just went for the second best thing then. Virginia is a choke point at the balls of the former US, so it is pretty much the most plausible form of what would have been an empire in Washington D.C. You have to understand the materials needed to make this "Mega Army".

Is it just because the 101st Airborne, an AIR FORCE DIVISION managed to create the nation that the military is the pride of the nation? And why would West Virginia/Virginia have so much Virginian national ride? Yank, I am an American. I have lived for brief to long periods of time in over 6 states and Washington D.C. I was born into a family that has been serving our military since the CIVIL WAR. The military is nothing like you portray them. They would not assemble these "militias", especially the DAMN AIRFORCE to do land-grabs. And THEY would be the ones trying to keep America alive in their hearts, not saying that it was dead.

And how about the eqippment? Tanks? Really? Do you know how many parts it takes to make tanks?

And how would they have all these other elite equippments? How would they have "one of the best equipped and trained militaries in the world"? They are/were a landlocked and isolated nation, and the materials would certainly not be coming in. Those "cars" of yours would need a lot of parts from a lot of places, as well, though I could see the Virginians scrapping old autos.

Yank, and the dictatorship you talked about, that would be a disaster. Us Americans have a burning hatred for dictatorships. Our legacy of colonial rule by those English bastard, who scrapped all of our resources to send them back to England and left us poor and starving, have left us ready to snap the neck of any president who even declared "extended emergency powers". That would not sit well with any American, especially West Virginia, a state mainly populated by "dem trigger happy Yankees".

You might not comprehend how much hardship we went through under a de facto dictatorship. You Canooks were "granted" your independence slowly and without bloodshed, while we fought for EVERYTHING we have today. Twice. Arstarpool 04:31, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Central Word
Hi might you create an article for my timeline Central World, you are welcomed to do what you want! also let's try to turn it in a Community Project!!! Please answer ME! VENEZUELA 04:22, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Wasteland Europe
Hey, if you can, could you help me out with Wasteland Europe? Feel free to expand it, because it is an open timeline afterall. Arstarpool 21:57, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

American City States
How do you make the template thing that has all the country information in it, like you did with Las Vegas?

BoredMatt 20:23, July 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, Matt. Just happened to see your request and thought I'd help Yank out.  Go to http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Templates.  That will give you the forms to use.  Basically, though, if you'll go to any page with a Info box that you like, click "edit this page" and go into "source,"  you'll be able to copy a useable template on which you can replace information pertenent to you new article. Be sure, though, to paste the template in "source" mode.  Otherwise it will not work. SouthWriter 16:05, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Follow-up
I was thinking of letting Walt Disney be Walt Disney in this TL as well, there are of course some parallels between the two worlds. Who exactly who is "fictional" did you have in mind? I put that line in so I could invent people (Josiah Marks, Adam Eisler, John Burwin, actors/sports figures, the entire Bonaparte dynasty and most French Imperials) on the fly. KingSweden 04:14, July 20, 2010 (UTC) Hmm. In the case of characters leading similar lives to those they did in OTL (keyword: similar, not identical) there would obviously be major differences. A good example: Mitt Romney is President between 1997-2005. In OTL, he obviously runs for Prez in 2008 and loses, but in ATL, a still-Mormon Romney who is still originally from Michigan gets involved in politics earlier and runs as a young, telegenic, Redford-esque candidate against Burwin in '96 and becomes a popular President, until scandals undo his party in his final year in office. Walt Disney could still do family animations, for example, but since this is in Napoleon's World, his studio could have taken a different turn - anti-French films, or films less reliant on "Imperial" fairytales (due to the anti-Imperial bias in the US due to the Cold War, much akin to the Red Scare) could be the norm.

Speaking of which, have any ideas on a McCarthy-esque figure for the late 1950's and early 1960's when Hoover is in office? His unpopularity would naturally help convince Hoover not to run for a second term and lead to the moderate National Party ushered in by Dick van Dyke.

Also, just a wildly unrelated thought that's been bugging me for about a week: if Jim Carrey was such a wildly popular, young and charismatic Governor in Huron, which is a MAJOR state, who would he forego the chance to be the Democratic frontrunner in 2004 (his only real competition is Jay Leno, Governor of Massachusetts, since then-Senator Springsteen was seen as a fringe liberal and couldn't keep the powerful Southern bloc in check) to go into film? Just a thought... KingSweden 05:44, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

1983: Doomsday
Yank we seem to be one of the last people on this wiki that haven't abandoned 1983: Doomsday. I was wondering if I could enlist your help in reviving it? --GOPZACK 05:16, July 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Boo!


 * Just to let you guys know I'm still around. Yes, Zack, that young upstart Arstarpool has started up stuff elsewhere, drawing some interest in a new time line. I am still here, but I am "policing" Arstar's domain to keep it close to reality. 83DD is a lot more interesting - but was beginning to bet stale. Perhaps it was because the apparatus to "discover" the lost civilization didn't get into place until our "real time" efforts back in 2008. Some of the original assumptions have been discarded, leading to developments unheard of two years ago.


 * Also, our attempts to build scenarios around the world - of which we are not personally aware - pale in comparison to those we write about areas in which we live. The storylines become tangled due to conflicts between truth and fiction. Some editors are bent on making their creations bigger than life while others are bogged down in research to make their histories true to life.


 * Mitro seems to be the guiding hand, and without his guidance many of his lieutenants have gone astray. He will be back in about a month, and 83DD will not go away. We can do our best, in the meantime, to make sure it doesn't sink into a coma. A daily check on proposals, perhaps, and a paragraph on our favorite creation every day or two. A major section on something new once a week.


 * Just some thoughts. SouthWriter 14:16, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * The young upstart? I'm still here! I have recently spent much of my time on Wasteland Europe, but I still do a daily check of proposals, comment on talk pages, and fill in my articles on Doomsday. I'll be fully active again when Mitro returns. Arstarpool 15:20, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, hi Alex. Sorry, but you are young and by your own admission new to the "game." That makes you a "young upstart," in a nice sort of way. Your frustration with 83DD was what seemed to have launched "Wasteland Europe." In a way, "Wasteland Europe" is harder for you to manage than writing for Doomsday, since the POD is twice as far away and not as drastic. It is harder to create scenarios when all the players are still on the board during most of the game. There is a lot of "butterfly effect" at WasteEuro. SouthWriter 16:17, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * And how would you know that I was young? I've made a good effort concealing my age. Please, tell me where I slipped up? Arstarpool 16:20, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * I caught you in between edits of your personal page. It was the "Revision as of 05:05, July 20, 2010" (pulled off the history, since you changed it so fast -- You said you were "too young to vote"). As a US citizen, that would make you under the age of 18.  I am over fifty, and my youngest son is 25, so I can pick up on some of this stuff anyway.  :-)
 * SouthWriter 20:58, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * And how would you know that I was young? I've made a good effort concealing my age. Please, tell me where I slipped up? Arstarpool 16:20, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * I caught you in between edits of your personal page. It was the "Revision as of 05:05, July 20, 2010" (pulled off the history, since you changed it so fast -- You said you were "too young to vote"). As a US citizen, that would make you under the age of 18.  I am over fifty, and my youngest son is 25, so I can pick up on some of this stuff anyway.  :-)
 * SouthWriter 20:58, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * SouthWriter 20:58, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

IRC
This is sort of an IM thing that Smallpox and Vegas found, I checked it out and it's pretty cool.

Go to http://webchat.freenode.net/

write your nickname

type "wikia_ah" (remove quotation marks) in the channel box

enter, and party.

Pass it on.

BoredMatt 14:25, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

PS me and EE found the layout a bit confusing, you type in the text bar at the bottom of the screen.

Conch Republic
I am sorry, but the Conch Republic belongs to South Florida. You can always become a caretaker for South Florida, because Zack has never made a positive edit to the page and South mainly corrects my grammar. Arstarpool 02:14, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Something you should know: Key West is a "protectorate republic" within South Florida, so I wouldn't see any problems with us making a separate article similar to. Arstarpool 02:24, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

I really don't know where to respond to this, so I decided on it here.

From Zach's talk page:

"In an unrelated, more "neutral" event, I have made Yank a caretaker to the South Florida article after a series of complications regarding the Keys. Arstarpool 02:14, July 22, 2010 (UTC)"

And so, the "complication" is that an article is in the wings for a Conch Republic as a subdivision of "growing" South Florida. I agree that South Florida probably did not get hit as hard as first thought, but Key West was one of the accepted upon targets, so the Conch Republic is missing its capital

I only correct grammar and spelling as a service to the wiki. If you don't like it, I suppose I can resist the urge. I have left the story to you guys, since I lived in the panhandle and was only in the keys once. Other than that, I lived in Gainesville and visitied the Cape and the Orlando area a couple of times. SouthWriter 02:49, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

In fact, the Key's were hit by a low-yield missile directed at the Naval Base, damaging the southern side of the city. Key West itself is essentially a novelty, home to nothing in reality. Arstarpool 02:55, July 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Good enough. It would be a shame for the charm of Key West to be lost. SouthWriter 03:01, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Some Questions
There are a couple things I wanna talk about.

1. You mentioned that you wanted to change the name of the Dixie Alliance to the Eastern Alliance, but you said it would be too hard. If you want I could do the changes for you, but I would suggest the name "Eastern American Alliance" to avoid confusion.

2. I've noticed that you have changed the name of Virginia. Do you want me to move the page to the new name?

3. Virginia and Ithaca are both candidates for new members of the United Communities. If you agree, Virginia would be placed on the Security Council along with Superior.

That's all, get back to me when you can. Arstarpool 03:03, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Pretaining to CYOAH
If you are going to post an article on CYOAH, you must follow protocol, and;

A Have a previous link

B Have options, and

C Sign the pages you create.

Second in command of CYOAH Jazon Naparleon 01:29, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

TSPTF Responsibilities
If you are receiving this message, you are a member of the TSPTF. In an effort to keep this wiki in tip-top shape, I have made a list of responsibilities on the TSPTF page that I hope you all volunteer to do (at least three of them). If we work together we can make this place into a quality wiki. Mitro 22:17, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Trotsky
Congrats on being selected to the TSPTF!

I think Trotsky already has a role in the Oktoberkreig, but I'll look at that more carefully. What were some of your other ideas? I feel that if Edison was not being a thief/asshole as in OTL, Tesla could have invented some real innovative ideas that could have solved some of the energy issues that plague OTL (ever notice how few wars there have been in the ATL 20th century?). Just a thought. KingSweden 16:17, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds great! KingSweden 16:46, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Tbguy and myself are looking at already established stubs for Napoleon's World, and I extended an invite to him to expand upon them. Are there any nations/wars you have interest in contributing to? Some (like Colombia, Alaska and England) are already pretty fleshed out, but there's tons left (especially on some of hte late-20th century military conflicts).

Also, any good new ideas for Film, TV or Literature in Napoleon's World? You seem to have endless suggestions for popular culture (ex. Kim Jong-Il)

KingSweden 06:22, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, those all sound pretty good, I'll play around with those. Did you ever plan on doing something with Manfred von Richtofen (whoever that is)?

ALSO, a thought on Jim Carrey and Hermann Goering.

I love the Goering idea, but I'm curious as to whether or not the Louvre would still be a museum in ATL... do you really think a line of Bonaparte emperors would use it as such? While Napoleon I and his successors built their own mighty palace, I can't imagine the Louvre getting the same treatment. I can, however, make a few quick edits to make Goering the head of the Imperial Museum in Paris. Same idea, right?

Also, I'm still uneasy about Carrey abandoning a chance to run for Prez in '04 as a popular young Democratic governor of a typically Nationalist state... Obviously Leno wins the primaries, but maybe there was a huge controversy in him picking the hard-left Springsteen as his running mate instead of the young, promising potential protege in Carrey? What do you think?

KingSweden 03:11, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe he founded the French Air Command? (The French name for Air Force)

So Napoleon I started the Louvre conversion? Hmm. I did not know that. My mistake, I should have researched that better. Do you know offhand when the Mona Lisa was moved to the Louvre in OTL? (This is mainly with the film Thieves in mind). Either way, Goering is still an art collector in ATL, your brainwave on that one works brilliantly.

In order to win the Governorship of Huron, which is about as important as Michigan if not more (OTL Toronto > OTL Detroit, it'd be the same right?), you need some pretty serious clout - and you need to pander to powerful, entrenched National Party elites that have been around for over a hundred years (the shifty nature of American party allegiance is less pronounced in ATL - the South still prefers Democrats while big business walks lock-step with the Nationalists) while also appeasing the manufacturing guilds and unions. If Carrey is a Northern Democrat, in a state like Huron he'd be what's generally called a "blue dog" or "lunch-pail" Democrat - he needs to play to the center while still leaning left.

Now you see a comfortably liberal Jay Leno winning a bunch of primaries in '04, a guy who has Senate and Gubernatorial experience and whose policies are, for the most part, pretty centrist, and his charm and humor make him a great big-ticket candidate. Carrey is seen as the perfect young protege, but then Leno goes and picks Springsteen to appease the growing far-left liberal camp of the Democratic Party (a Palin-esque move). He enters the election against the hard-right Jeb Bush and his own centrist running mate (to be chosen later) and narrowly ekes out a win.

What I guess I'm describing is an overtly leftist President left in the Oval Office when Leno resigns back in June over health concerns, sort of a liberal version of what would happen had Palin been stuck in power if McCain resigned (or more likely, kicked the bucket). I'm not an OTL Democrat or Republican, so this isn't meant to be a wankfest, I just figured it would be an interesting idea.

Besides, in 2012, who better to usurp Springsteen than the man he supposedly replaced... Jim Carrey? A centrist Midwestern Governor would fare extremely well against the hard-right Steve Young or the robotic, Romneyesque Brian Williams (who are the only heavyweight National Party frontrunners this early in the race). Carrey would be a far more lucrative option than the very liberal Senator Jack Kennedy, Jr. from New York, don't you think?

Also, I added a little something for Francis Ford Coppola... I think you'll like it haha.

KingSweden 18:30, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Ideas
The last threat was getting a tad long.

I already have Colbert as a Democratic Representative from North Carolina serving as House Minority Whip. He's a 2012 possibility.

Love the Nixon idea, it's brilliantly unimportant to the TL as a whole.

Why not just extend Jermey Irons' term as English Prime Minister? see: List of English Prime Ministers (1909-Present) (Napoleon's World)

KingSweden 22:05, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Expanded the Carrey article to reflect our recent discussions.

Also, I guess it's List of Prime Ministers of England (1909-Present) (Napoleon's World)

KingSweden 16:03, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

I like it!

KingSweden 19:50, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Ask Tbguy, I think that's his area.

KingSweden 21:14, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Americana Games
I read your comment in the Europa Games I'm glad on helping you creating the Americana Games, i think they are based on the Pan-American Games.VENEZUELA 19:24, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Slasher Horror Icons & a couple of other ideas
Nice touch, that would be great to have these blood thirsty killers out and about, a great idea. I'll try and think outside of the box as you have and try to find some awesome, not necessarily comic book characters.

I too have a few ideas. Since I'm a fan of Ultimate Marvel, I was thinking of adding a Reserve of sorts for the ANZC, soldiers who have been given Pym particles and are now known as the Giant Men. We could also have a lot of Iron Men, not just one, patroling the skies of the ANZC. Also, to balance everything, the SAC would have the Nova Corps stationed in Brazil as well as perhaps a mutant force, I'm still working on the details. Siberia would also have a reserve force of Crimson Dynamos and a Punishment Corps, non-superpowered people who have costumes giving them enhanced senses, strength, speed and agility, who have been hand-picked from the army.--Vladivostok 21:56, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Templates Are Eternally Frustrating
Aren't they? >=[ Arg. I was adding stuff to the template on the [[Scotland (Napoleon's World)] (thank you, by the way, I'm absolutely hopeless when it comes to adding infoboxes) and now stuff you added vanished, even though I didn't delete it (specifically, Alex Salmon and the coat of arms).

How do we get those back on there?

KingSweden 05:25, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Wow you got them back. Nice. Well, there's a bunch that have templates on them but I haven't figured out how to upload flags/CoA/maps to them. I still need to make maps for countries like Alaska and Colombia too. KingSweden 16:02, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the template help! I'll start uploading my map database to the Maps (Napoleon's World) page soon so we have more accurate maps on there (Korea's a bit bigger than the map you have for instance). KingSweden 02:22, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

East Prussia
East Prussia is independent, it mentions its independence granted as a protectorate of the Empire starting in 1948. I got bored and lazy when writing its history, and East Prussia's hardly important enough for me to devote total attention to at this time. KingSweden 02:55, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry Dude
Well, I am a fuckwad ,I guess.

To be honest I am pretty tired and I don't know what to say but I am sorry for getting into arguments with you. While I realize that your, um, condition may have started a couple arguments, most of the you-between-me arguments were actually my fault for reacting bad to some of your comments. You stood up for me during the SNU-CR dispute and then I shot you down when I rediscovered that your original attack at me when I arrived. But I know what its like for people with your case. I have a cousin with the same condition and I made fun of him at first, and still did up until this summer, when I real ized that I am not perfect and I have a couple flaws myself.

However, regardless of the situation, I'm not happy about you calling me an asshole. But I still become friends again and bury the hatchet and work together.

Which reminds me, is Ithaca considering joining the ? the only requirements are, well, to have some way of access, by road or train or air or lake or river to the United Communities Headquarters at the City of Niagara Falls near Buffalo, NY. Arstarpool 04:00, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Would you like to work on together? It is a town that is a county next to Ithaca and maybe they can form some type of confederation sometime in the future. The upside is that its already canon through the New York State article, and they manufacture Frito Lay potato chips, which could be a major export to places like Virginia, who can then make buttloads of cash re-selling them at crazy high prices to Europeans and stuff through their port. Arstarpool 03:08, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

About your uncle, that is sad and I'm sorry to hear that. To be honest I have never lost a family member yet, with the exception of my great-grandmothers who I never knew that well and a step-uncle, I don't know how do deal with grief of that kind. If you would like to avoid the article I would understand, we could always work on Westfield instead, or we can go through and I will try to mention Lays as little as possible. Arstarpool 21:37, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

So you can handle everything pertaining to International Relations, Military, and Government, and I'll handle the History and Economy and anything else. Deal? Arstarpool 02:41, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Bosnia
Well, that was the general plan, wasn't it? Sure, I have no problem with working with you on the article. If you don't mind, could I also work on the Serbian article with you as well? Since I've been there several times, and have some knowledge of the Yugoslavian area in general, I could fill in some blanks.--Vladivostok 21:51, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course. I'm going to go soon, since it's getting late, but I just want to say that you can freely rename the Serbian article into Serbia & Montenegro, since you planned on having them in the same state, which is perfectly fine. Also, I think that Montenegro would be in the same country from the get-go, as it already happened OTL, and I don't think anything significant would change in that respect.--Vladivostok 22:18, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Aspergers Syndrome.
Your not the only one with AS, Yank. I have it too.HAD 08:59, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Virginia Relations
The Celtic Alliance blockade was rolled back. To say it is not canon that it happened. I just did it to see Bob's reaction. You can "Restore" relations now to the Celtic Alliance if you will. Arstarpool 03:47, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Matlock
Thanks for adding in the Hertfordshire flag and coat of arms, I'm grateful. Fegaxeyl 16:49, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oops, mental slip in my part, dunno how that happened. Oh, and being born-and-bred British... yeah, I think that makes me a reasonably good expert on England. Fegaxeyl 17:34, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Owen
If you are receiving this message you are a member of the TSPTF. Owen, which is already causing ruckus, wants to be part of the TSPTF again ! Along with tampering with Smoggy's plans for the Kingdom of Albion and getting into fights with Lordganon, he claimed that he did not vote for Smoggy so he could gain respect but then wrote on Louis' page what I am about to write below:"since I successfully nominated Smoggy, can I join the TSPTF now?" - Owen1983He doesn't get it, this guy. I suggest you respond to him. He does not get how we function, he does not understand how to write alternate history, hell, he barely knows how to write English, and he is a grade-A spammer. Some people are already complaining again and hes only been back for about a week or so. Please respond, Arstarpool

RE: Your "Request" To Join The TSPTF

 * I now accept Manchester was nuked


 * Lordganon was confronted for his attack on my work


 * The kingdom of Albion I consulted Smoggy80 after I creatted it


 * my articles are not spam


 * my English is not bad its just how we spell were i come from

--Owen1983 17:36, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

For the record. he did not create Albion, he copied it wholesale from my Cleveland page and changed a few words--Smoggy80 17:02, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

No Cross, No Crown
Hi, Yank. Oddly and a bit ironically, I clicked on the Discussion page after a minor change made by Zack today. I found the following:


 * Good. I think Rush Limbaugh is one of the few victims of Doomsday that deserved to die. Heartless bastard mocked the crippled. I am glad that Ann Coulter also got the atomic axe. Now all their right-wing bullshit won't ever be published/broadcasted. Praise God for small miracles! 


 * Yankovic270 23:19, May 2, 2010 (UTC) 

I say "oddly" because it was by chance that I saw it, and "ironically" because you nominated a time line of mine for deletion on the mistaken belief that I was bringing religion into the discussion. The above quote, however, is a true example of violation of the policy of "NCNC." This not is to inform you that I am deleting the remark from the Cape Gerareau talk page. It's also odd that I didn't notice the remark back in May. But how often does anyone read old discussions anyway?

I hope you have a great evening and a great day tomorrow. SouthWriter 03:17, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Owen
I realize Owen is not your favorite editor on this wiki. However I would ask that you please refrain from leaving messages on his talk page like your most recent one. You have to understand that there is nothing to be gained from such actions. Mitro 18:49, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

I'm surprised it took me so long to spot this. You don't suppose Cleveland, Ohio would keep its name in ATL Napoleon's World? I've been referring to it in my head as "Erieville," but I'm not sure Cleveland would be such a major city if Yorktown(Toronto) was in American possession.

KingSweden 04:39, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

TSPTF
If you are receiving this message, you have not signed up for any responsibilities as an administrator. Do you still consider yourself an active member with the TSPTF? Mitro 23:12, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Papal States
I've always ballparked it at around Bologna - France definitely controls Milan and Venice, but not a whole lot else. Also, do keep in mind that the Pope and Italian republicans strike a deal to share power, thus forming the "Roman Republic" that exists today (which comprises mainland Italy, Sicily and Sardinia). I believe that this occurs in the 1970's sometime after the 1972 World Cup is held in the Papal States (one of the last times I can recall Papal States appearing in the text before the Roman Republic is formed).

Check the Timeline (Napoleon's World) page for the name of the current pope, it should be on there around 2000 or 2001?

KingSweden 20:59, September 22, 2010 (UTC)\

Turns
Ah. Sorry! BoredMatt 23:13, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Assiniboian Flood of '97
I mostly added it, because I thought it would make sense to add such an event.

But, after 14 years, do you think that the radiation would be gone? I would say not. Maybe safer, but not gone.

And, anyway, would those in the rest of the nation have cared if the ruins of Winnipeg got flooded? Nobody would be sane enough to want to live there, so why save it? The only possible reason to make sure that Duff's Ditch still works is to make sure the radioactive pollution does not flow into Lake Winnipeg. Just a thought.

Tbguy1992 23:38, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Quick Questions about Virginia in 1983: Doomsday
Hi Yank, I have a few questions for you about the Virginian Republic, because I'm assuming your the caretaker, right?

First, after some research, we have figured out that Stephen Colbert and maybe Jon Stewart most likely survived Doomsday, attending schools in Virginia. Now, we believe that the area was occupied by the Virginian Republic, so, technically, they most likely would both be under the leadership of dear President-General. I know you have read it, and have commented on it, but here is my request: Can you please help me in fully fleshing out the Stephen Colbert article? Most namely, what should happen to him?

From what I was thinking, Colbert would serve his two tours of duty in the Virginian military, and would be very proud of doing so. But, while serving, he developed his humor to a large degree, becoming a morale booster for his regiment. After that, I'm thinking he got official approval (aka President-General Thomson) to serve the Republic in different ways: most notably, in taking his humor around the Republic in the form of a traveling performance, to boost morale around the nation. He is allowed to make some comments about the government, but he is monitored when ever he does the play to make sure he doesn't openly attack the government (aka, President-General Thomson), but some minor comments are allowed to slide. As the state gets more open, Colbert is seen as the front man, the "measuring stick" of how the state is becoming more and more democratic. Lets say around 2008-2009, he is finally allowed to create his own TV show, which will most likely be called The Virginian News Report, which will be similar to OTL's Daily Show, and not quite OTL's Colbert Report. What do you think? Tbguy1992 15:55, September 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Alright, thanks for your input. But, as another question, about what time do you think the Virginian Republic would arrive in the area of the Hampden-Sydney Collage? Currently I have the collage, some local farmers and refugees from the east coming to the area and forming a small "city-state" thing to defend themselves from the raiders that Thomson will eventual destroy. My guess would be around 1986-1988. What do you think? Tbguy1992 17:28, September 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * I've added some more to Colbert's article, which includes Colbert serving in the Virginian Republic's version of the USO, and his meeting with Thomson. Later, I think Colbert should ultimately become a senator for the republic. What do you think? Tbguy1992 21:22, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

"Hate Speech"
Yank, I will be brief. To boldly proclaim that you hate Republicans is inflamatory. It should not be part of these discussion boards. When I said that the argument was for another place, I figured that was it. Anyway, I am a Republican, and I don't see why the choice of a decent man for President (he was and is not perfect) should turn you against such a large part of the American people. Heck, you're not even American, living in liberal Canada and all. How can you be so vehemently against American conservatism?

And now, you have used the sovereignty you have over areas in this time line to literally destroy the object of your hatred -- the Republican Party. It was not a majority in West Virginia, for sure, nor even in Virginia in 1983 if I remember right. But it would not have been reduced to 1% as you have it. Your fantasy of having Thompson take over two states as a caricature of a hard-nosed conservative pragmatist has been masterful. You have succeeded against all odds in making it acceptable as a viable nation-state in this time line.

Perhaps you can demonstrate a logical reason why the Republican party would have collapsed. You have a rise of the Federalist party as the foil of the Democratic party. Are both these parties for "big government" as the best thing for the people. Or does the Democratic party in the Republic fight for the people's civil rights in the face of government intrusion which would be the mode of operation for the Thompson regime? It's perfectly alright for a party to fold - the Whigs fell to the rising Republicans in the 1850's - but it should be for some reason other than your dislike for "the party of George W. Bush." --SouthWriter 14:23, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

1983: Doomsday
Alright, I'm starting to get more involved in the big community project, mostly to develop things I'm knowledgeable in; aka Assiniboia, Colbert and later Stewart, and maybe some more articles later.

Anyway, I would like to ask a few questions to help fill in some of the blank spots in some articles. Starting with Colbert in Virginia, I would see him as maybe a radio show host in a style similar to OTL Colbert Report, but may not make the jump to TV until about 2005 at the earliest, and the censors were lenient, etc. However, it is difficult to figure out, as you say Virginia is a film making center, but under a "military-dictatorship", their would have to be censorship, even if it was minor. But, their is little discussion on the Virginian page about that, so I had to make it up, so it may have to be changed. Also, I'm thinking Colbert should move more into politics, say he gets appointed Senator after an older man dies, then he's elected to a full term, and, maybe possibly, President-General in several years? No decision about that has to be made yet, but that is an option.

Now, about Assiniboia. The article still needs some work, I'm guessing: most likely will have to work on foreign relations with other nations, as the nations Assiniboia mentions doesn't mention Assiniboia in return. Now, that could be because Assiniboia is newer, per say, but it should still be tied in correct? And what about the League of Nations? I'm guessing Assiniboia might send a representative, even if they don't become a full fledged member for a while, until say in 2012-2015? And, I know the History of Assiniboia will have to be updated, so I guess it should be decided what to do to make it fit in better and still seem realistic, especially with the NAU, as Assiniboia would have meet Provisional Canada (Saskatchewan) fairly early, as my part of the Nation (near the US-Saskatchewan border) would be a cross roads between the two. But that leads to another question: what would see as the attack on Minot Air Force Base? Everyone in my area say that if WWIII did happen we would have been killed because of the explosion itself, but I think a smaller weapon would have been used, and we would have had to worry about fallout more than the actual detonation. I may have to write out my grandfather (Ken Bugg) because of that, though some people in SW Manitoba would still have survived after the fallout runs its course.

Anyway, I know this is a large wall of text, but I hope we can work together to fix some of these spots. I don't want to go out and just change it, mostly because, though I have read a large chunk of articles, I most likely will counteract a large part of them, in most cases unknowingly.

Thanks, and hope to hear from you soon!

Tbguy1992 04:51, September 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you on some points: I don't think Assiniboia would work to become the "Disneyland" and "Las Vegas" of North America, as, for one thing, who would go there? The survivor states will be to concerned about themselves to want to take a vacation to a Disney themed park. I don't even think it would help the economy, because of the lack of visitors from other area's, plus the cost and the building, etc. etc. And, Assiniboia just can't handle a theme park like your talking about, designed for tourists. The train system is in disrepair, and roads would be under attack by gangs, and their is no passenger airline service. Their would be no money to build something like that, even if it is a scaled down version of Disneyland. I'm going to have to say, unless you can figure out a way to get thousands of people to come to little known Assiniboia, this idea will have to be put on hold or scrapped.


 * As for Colbert, the movie theater idea is good, but, remember, he will have a radio program as well, and since radios would be easier to make, he would most likely still be in people's homes, just not visually. But the animated idea, while maybe good once, would get old after a few times, and do you know how difficult it is to make animation? It takes months to make a Family Guy episode, so it would have to be planned almost six months in advance, and it would most likely be outdated (story wise) by the time it was done.


 * I'm not trying to sound mean, but I'm trying to remain realistic. Remember, this is the aftermath of Armageddon: I don't think Mad Max played roulette and went to EPCOT. It wouldn't boost the economy like your thinking: it may actually ruin it. At the earliest, I'm thinking for something like this, would be 2050, after some semblance of order and when people may have money to spend on other things besides the necessities and limited entertainment.


 * By the way, do you still live in Manitoba? Just wondering, because I'm currently in Winnipeg.Tbguy1992 22:54, September 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Assiniboia has 2 million people now? Even after the destruction of Winnipeg, fallout, cancer, sickness and other deaths? I think you are really overestimating the ability that some refugees from Ontario, plus the natural birthrate of a people to repopulate an area. I think Manitoba only has about 550,000 or so, because I'm guessing 500,000 people died in the nuke that hit Winnipeg, plus the fallout and death and disease after Doomsday, which also adds the refugees from Ontario and the US.


 * And, do you honestly think, in an era that their is limited to no mass transportation that a theme park, much less on like Disneyland, would actually prosper? I can understand if a Ferris wheel or a merry go round works, but something like Disneyland? Manitoba has nothing that could even closely resemble anything like that! And, you know what, most likely we never will! Sure, we are in the center of Canada, but it means nothing if Ontario, which would have possibly been the biggest customer, is still in a state of social collapse, except for a few small, struggling city states. I think you have to think realistically here: it is not plausible.


 * As for Colbert: April Fools day is that: Fools Day. You can't trick someone with the same trick over and over again. That is why their always different stories about what happens on April Fools Day, like the Cartoon Switcharoo, the Cell Phone ban in New Zealand, Spaghetti trees in Switzerland and other such jokes only work once, because, despite people falling for it the first time, they shouldn't a second. The Colbert Report doesn't have to do a whole animated series, but one cartoon would be all that people would fall for, as if it happens again, the average viewer would think that they have nothing new or creative. That's why.


 * To be honest, I started to work on these Doomsday articles because I wanted to add something plausible and realistic to the overall story, not just randomness that posses as Alternate History. Whatever you want to add,  I'm  not adding it, and I'm not supportive of it. But if the community as a whole like the ideas, then fine. But I personally feel they are not constructive, and more for just trying to draw attention to yourself. Tbguy1992 02:19, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Owen
I removed your last message on Owen's talk page. I really don't care how much you don't like him. I realize he is a problem, but your message was completely uncalled for. It was insulting and unecessary. Don't do it again. Mitro 02:59, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yank don't push me. Leave another message like that again and I will block you.  Mitro 03:05, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yank I agree with you for most of what you said, but that still does not make your comment necessary. Owen might be a bad editor, and he deserves the block he has now, but his actions and tone have not been enough to get him a longer ban.  Your personal attack against him meanwhile was completely pointless.  You or Arstar are not the ones who gave the block, you have nothing to do with it.  Your uncivil behavior is completely unprofessional and makes the TSPTF look like a bunch of assholes.  Leave Owen to the admins, your insulting comments are not helping.  Mitro 03:19, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Re:
I think I already have Ford as a sportswriter (check Major League Baseball (Napoleon's World) I think). I'll see how to work Presley in to it... Brazil War perhaps? And is Mochrie Scottish?

KingSweden 02:41, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Interesting... well I see no reason why not. It's probably good to put somebody to use up there who isn't a real Scottish figure. I figured we let Gordon Brown have a go at actually being a SUCCESSFUL head of state somewhere as well - a post-Connery democratic reformist, perhaps? Speaking of which... it may be time to write a page on the Scottish Conflict that deposed Connery in 1997.

KingSweden 07:07, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I can imagine Scotland wanting to keep their Ministers in power for a short amount of time - especially having seen Connery in power for approx. twenty years. How long of a term are we assuming for each First Minister? Four years (a la the United States) or three (a la England)? I would say the first elections in Scotland should be scheduled for 1998 to give the temporary postwar government time to set up a democratic system in the post-Connery era.

KingSweden 17:06, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

I worked on the Scotland page a little and I have Peter Haig (fictional) as the first post-Connery First Minister. If we assume a four-year term (actually let's make that canon, I like your thinking) he's around from 1998-2002. That gives Gordon Brown 2002-2006, Alex Salmond 2006-2010...? And then Colin Mochrie 2010- present, with his term expiring May 1st, 2014. How do you like that?

KingSweden 19:27, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

I like the Frank Sinatra idea (reminds me of Coppola), but Paris Hilton is wayyyy too young (b. 1981) to be governor of New York. I think Tbguy has Palin covered as a news reporter... Besides, Brian Williams is the current Governor of New York, and a leading 2012 Nationalist Candidate.

KingSweden 23:00, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

However, what if Paris Hilton was a serious, respected and award-winning character actress? I already planned on having Mike Myers and Steve Carrell be serious, character actors with Academy Award resumes. KingSweden 23:02, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Cult of Cthulu! I love it! I was actually thinking about L. Ron the other day. Yeah I'll get to work. I'll probably make about 2/3rds of the Governors fictional and the rest AD's (Alternate Destinies). Oh and I've come to the conclusion that the state of Huron should have a one-term limit for Governors - it gives Jim Carrey time to build political clout in Huron in the 1990's before becoming Governor between 1999-2003. Still gives him time to be one of the most popular Governors from that state of all time.

Also, speaking of Governors, we'll do that page AFTER the 2010 elections on November 2nd so it's all up to date.

KingSweden 18:54, October 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * If Alfred Hitchcock is a member of the Cult of Cthulhu, do you imagine him as a Charles Manson-esque figure? That's the first thing that came to mind when you said that haha.


 * I think that's a great idea for L. Ron Hubbard.


 * Who exactly is Kevin Conroy in real life...?


 * Cesar Romero should definitely fit that role, in the role of the old Lobo (the Wolf - Zorro means Fox in Spanish. Good spin, right?).


 * There is no WWII as we think of it - the French Civil War fits that role for continental Europe, while the Pacific War int he 1920's or English Adventure and Black Sea War in the 1950's are minor conflcits. Instead of one BIG conflagration, several minor wars.

KingSweden 23:04, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

I like them!

KingSweden 01:29, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Lincoln's Borders
Hey Yank I was wondering if you could provide a map or a rough approximation of Lincoln Nebraska's territory. Also if you can please differentiate between "claimed" and "controlled" that would be swell. Thanks!:) Zack 22:56, October 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks Yank! I'm working on the Dakotas return to the "new" USA in order to do that I'm going to need a small portion of the Nebraska territory Lincoln claims. Here's a map of the purposed changes. The territory that would go to the new USA is in yellow. It would also help to get that long standing boarder dispute settled quickly, peacefully and fairly. --Zack 00:16, October 5, 2010 (UTC)Lincoln's_Borders2.png


 * Are these changes acceptable? --Zack 00:09, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Yank, I really appreciate this. --Zack 00:52, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Illinois
I want to create a rival/enemy nation to Vandalia in Illinois with your help. We've had two of our nations work side by side (Hainan with Macau and Ithaca with Binghamton), now I think we should create two warring states. Reply soon. Arstar 06:51, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I was thinking of something a little more north or west, but this will do. My research abilities will be limited since I am forced to run my computer in safe mode due to what appears to be a worm virus eating at my computer. But I still managed to come up with another potential spot for a second rival, the city of Eureka. Eureka will be a completely-raider-run dictatorship. But what will Decatur be? A democracy which just doesn't like Vandalia, or a raider state/dictatorship as well? Arstar 20:25, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Beautiful. So they will be rivals at first, but they set aside their issues to take down Eureka, which could possibly be much stronger than expected, and before they know it Kentucky and the QCA get called in. So you gonna make Eureka or Decauter? I'll make whichever one you don't pick. Arstar 20:38, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

That's great. I like that idea. By the way did you know Ronald Reagan went to school in Eureka? This could be a good plot element for Eureka's history. Arstar 20:58, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

The Matrix
Hmm I'll give it some thought... Since we're looking into that direction now, you should have a look at the Film page, I think it's right up your alley.

KingSweden 06:04, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Barry Obama makes for a great Morpheus. It could be one of the roles that launched him into stardom too as his star power grew throughout the 1990's.

KingSweden 22:57, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, why not. To be honest, I've only seen the first Matrix and only seen it once, so I'm not up to speed with which character is who (besides Neo, Trinity, Morpheus and Smith obviously). I'll leave it up to you. Why don't you have a fictional actor play Smith? I've tossed in fictional names plenty on numerous pages, that way we don't always rely on OTL people.

On another note, I think Keanu Reeves should be a Rhodes scholar...

KingSweden 01:03, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

If we REALLY want to have fun with this, make Die Hard an English series of films and make Pierce Brosnan the hero. The first one could be set in a London high rise (with French villains), the second could be set at Barham Airport (with English soldiers trying to set free a Middle Eastern or Spanish drug lord), the third could be on the streets of London (akin to With a Vengeance) and the fourth can be a unique plot (since the fourth Die Hard sucked IMO).

If we're talking Back to the Future, one should keep in mind that the decades don't sync up quite the same as they do in OTL. By 1985, America was just coming out of a deep depression and not the perfect "the Eighties" that we had in OTL Back to the Future. Nor were the 1950's the same kind of prosperous age - they were much more like a hybrid of the the 1940's and the 1960's. So I'm not sure how you would want to deal with that.

KingSweden 19:37, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Laos
Well I asked on the main page what was going on with this article. You nor anyone else responded so I marked it as obsolete. It is nothing personal, I am just trying to get people to remember their old proposals. If you are still serious of getting it into canon just remark it with the proposal tag and move to have it graduated. Mitro 18:33, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Virginian-East British Treaty
I do like the sound of it. A kind of reverse colonialism. It'll speed up East Britains colonisation of Lincolnshire and it'll introduce it to the outside world. And its similar to an idea I had recently for latter day marcher lords. But a few questions. First can Virginia afford it? I mean, compared to East Britain its a titan, but can it really govern an area all the way across the Atlantic? Second will people living in the area be Virginians or East Britons? Third how will this land benefit Virginia and what do they have to gain? And finally, I have been wondering will Virginian soldiers really want to live in the back of beyond, thousands of miles from their family? Bob 19:14, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

I am going to need answers to these questions Yank Bob 21:33, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

Well that all seems to be in order. Lets go ahead! Bob 11:32, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

PM's of Assiniboia
I know, that was the same thing that made me write out my grandfather, and substitute a neighbor of ours who is much more active in the community. Now, I mentioned a Conservative from Boissevain who become PM until he resigns due to illness, and being replaced by Elisha Harper, who is the first Native leader of Assiniboia. Does that work out?

PS: Do you still live around Winnipeg? I'm currently going to the U of W, so if you are near, maybe we could get together over coffee or something...Tbguy1992 23:11, October 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * By the way, I think we should know our actual first names for when we meet. I think it would be kinda wired to address each other by our usernames. Mine's Tyler. Tbguy1992 15:14, October 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Of course! Its not like I have anything else to do today, so I might as well get out and meet somebody new.Tbguy1992 14:52, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Michael Sumrall
Yank, South just informed me on the Auburn talk page that Sumrall would have been stationed in the area in late 1983, the timeframe I'm using for the Auburn article, and helpfully reminded me that I needed to consult you in regards to Sumrall. I suggested he went east with the group led by the acting governor (instead of west with the Harness/White Army group), was sent by Jimmy Carter to investigate the east coast, and that is how he ended up in Virginia. What do I need to know about the man, so I can write him into the story and find a way to logically get him to the Republic of Virginia? BrianD 20:30, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Yank, thanks for letting me use Sumrall. The basic outline will be this:


 * he's a captain in the National Guard, which given Harness is a captain in the state police won't make Harness his superior :)


 * Sumrall becomes one of the leaders in the U.S. Army contingent that helps the Auburn remnant get away from the White Army


 * Sumrall becomes a high-ranking military official in Neonotia


 * he indeed, at the request of President Carter, leads a group into the Carolinas and Virginia to explore the region


 * he winds up in "East Virginia"


 * he is assumed lost by the Neonotians for years

BrianD 02:50, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * of course, he becomes President-General of Virginia.

Wabash, Indiana
I apologize, Yank, for causing you any grief. I know you enjoy your role playing. Your "masterpieces" are interesting, and have a flavor none other could give them. However, they are all largely fiction. By that I mean they are built upon very little reality and a lot of imagination. That is one way of writing, but it is not good alternative history. Alternative history needs plausibility.

Your former "buddy" (I say this because you two have collaborated, and you defended his work on California) seems to have turned on you in Virginia, but follows your ways a bit in Pennsylvania. In Indiana, he was trying to mold Sunkist's work into a version he could approve, and gave up, asking for it to be made obsolete. Given hardly any time for objection, Mitro complied. Seeing this you jumped in, reapplying for Wabash Union to be considered.

Sunkist tried very hard to make that article work, and Arstar stepped in and took over. I objected to the way he was treating the material, but to no avail. Your proposal, though it needs work, is in many ways a lot easier to work with than was Sunkist's. I think more of central Indiana would be in contact with Layafayette, and that they would not be so out of contact for so long. You have chosen to make them totally reliant on rural technology until being rescued by advanced Kentucky and Virginia. But with Lincoln you have a state becoming widely known to the whole world in very little time. It is incosistent. Wabash is much closer to advanced Kentucky than Lincoln was to any known nation or state.

Again, we each have our writing style. But as you may have noticed, your projects tend to draw a lot of criticism. I figure "what happens in (West) Virginia, stays there." But your moving into other places to build still more fanciful creations (I see you want a "reverse" colonization in the British Islands) seems a bit of a stretch. No offense meant, but show a little restraint, okay. SouthWriter 20:58, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Don't drag me into this South. I made my worries known at the Virginia talk page. I used a bit of stretched government control in North Penn but that was more than a government monopoly than a dictatorship. Yank does role play, but South, remember his, um, condition. That might be a "coping mechanism" for him and everyone has something like that. But Indiana was basically Sunkist not changing any objections asked to be changed and then asking for it to be graduated. Canon said otherwise even, especially info on the Superior history stating the state was full of nomads, and I tried to change it into a union of certain city-states formed sometime recently. But Sunkist went and reverted all my changes only keeping one, and technically he kicked me out of the article soon afterwards as noted on my talk page.

On another note, I think Yank understands my two cents on Virginia, and we have worked on multiple projects together even after a big fight we had a while back related to Virginia. I can work with Yank, and other than Virginia and Lincoln I don't have a problem with his articles for the most part. If Yank said he did not want to work with me anymore I would have to respect his decision, but don't go saying things you don't know South, I.E. "I've backstabbed Yank and me and him are no longer 'buddies' anymore". Everyone has to disagree every once in a while, and this is where I have played that card to the table. Arstar 21:26, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Die Hard/Middle East
On the Alternate Destinies page you can see what my thoughts on Die Hard were under "Richard Gere." I'll make a franchise page a la Martin Jones later.

Also, we need to hold off on Middle Eastern AD's until I've figured out what exactly I want to do with that region - I've ignored the Arab world for a reason, because I haven't figured out how to make it work quite yet.

KingSweden 23:42, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

So you're thinking of Saddam as a Yakov Smirnov-style comedian?

KingSweden 02:02, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Yank, I've gotta say, you've made some good contribs to Napoleon's World - but Charles de Gaulle is by far my favorite one you've done yet. Couldn't have done it better.

KingSweden 06:12, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

Fifth Anglo-American War
Judging by your edits on American Republic, would you like to become a contributor? Bob 19:47, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Riel's Canada
Alright, here it is. Now, if you have anything you can do to fix it up, go ahead, as this is a joint project. Hopefully this is good enough to help establish the idea! Tbguy1992 02:16, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, A meeting on Tuesday won't work... maybe the Tuesday after that, unless something comes up? (It's starting to get busy with university and all...)Tbguy1992 04:03, November 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * All I can really say Yank is that if I have time, I'll try to be there. If I'm at the St. Vital Center at the Food court around 4:30, then we can talk. If I'm not their, I won't be coming at all. My schedule is starting to get chaotic, so I'm talking a short sabbatical from AH for the moment, as I'm busy and I need to work on other stuff for a while. OK? Tbguy1992 03:24, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Russia
The POD of the entire TL is Napoleon conquering Russia at the Battle of Petrograd and thus absorbing all of Europe under his reign. Thus, Russia as we know it is a part of the French Empire up until the Urals. It has always been the least-controlled part of the Empire, however, and is referred to alternatively as the "Grand Duchy of the East" or as the Eastern Department, or the Department of the East. The capital of this Grand Duchy is at Moscow, and its provincial administrative regions have local capitals at Kiev, Petrograd, Minsk, Sebastopol, Novgorod and Warsaw (I think...).

There IS, however, a Siberian Empire east of the Urals and in central Asia whose ruling house, situated at Novosibirsk (or Omsk, I think the capital changes more than once), descends from the Romanov line (fictional Tsars, since Alexander dies at Petrograd). There is also, obviously, the Empire of Alaska in north America and Kamchatka/eastern end of Asia plus Greenland.

Still, people from the Eastern Department are called "Russians" or "French Russians," and consider themselves ethnically distinct and despite numerous "Purges" have remained a powerful ethnic group where others have bene absorbed by the French-German majority.

KingSweden 23:48, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Lennon
Well, by 1956 the Anarchy was more or less over (the Siege of Liverpool is in January of that year) so I'm not sure how accurate Lennon's participation at age of 16 would have been. I've been thinking for some time to just extend Jeremy Irons' term and boot Cameron out anyways.

What's the OTL name for the head of England's military?

KingSweden 03:29, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Prime Minister John Cleese still needs a trusted military aid to help oversee the late 1990's campaigns in Scotland and Cyrene, though. Lennon could have been appointed as the head of the military by then anyways.

KingSweden 03:31, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. Sounds like a Colin Powell analogue. Let me mull it over. Lennon would be pretty ancient by modern day anyways, he may not have the energy to run the government at that point.

OR he could have taken Tony Blair's place in the '99 elections, defecting against the Whigs and beating Cleese as the Labour leader (and then being beaten by the Jeremy Irons-led Whigs in '05). This means, however, that he would have to have become the party leader before May 1999. So he would have been far more involved in the 1997 Scotland crisis than Cyrene.

What I would suggest then is that he resigns in the fall of 1997 and runs to replace a deceased MP in the Parliament, then wins the Labour party leadership almost by default?

KingSweden 04:10, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, without doubt. Neither man in such a position would be taking drugs. I never suggested anything of the kind.

Hahaa and yes, I think that's a great idea. I kind of want to get away from mimicking OTL in NW with that page though. Let's get really creative with this!

KingSweden 07:48, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Video Games and Whatnot
I think that sounds pretty reasonable. Sega would be a Japanese company, I'm assuming then? (It is in OTL right? I'm not a huge gamer). For most hated emperor, that's a toss up between Albert I (reign 1925-1939) or his successor, Edmond (1939-43), because while Sebastien (1943-1975) was hardly a saint, he is a polarizing figure in much of the world due to his differeing popularity depending on who you talk to.

Since video games came out in the 1980's in bevies, the Eggman would most likely be mostly influenced by Albert II. Maurice Napoleon has only been on the throne since 2006 so only the most recent Sonic games would feature him. I like that idea though. Check the Alaska page also, I think I have a failed game console on there.

Speaking of which, I kind of envision a three-country battle for game supremacy (and thus a much more diverse marketplace) - Japan, the US and France all putting out independent game consoles. OR what it could be is that the French Empire has more or less cornered the PC game market and US and Japan are the big console producers. What you also have to consider is that Japan is still a highly-militarized country with a Shogun and samurai order in ATL... Dunno how that affects video games.

And as for one of your ADs, I think I saw a page where Tbguy had Sarah Palin more or less covered.

KingSweden 19:31, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah that could work. Keep in mind that Albert II was much more liberal than Sebastien (his father) and inspired a much more open and free culture in France while ratcheting up the country's defense programs (ie. 1980's arms race and the Vietnam/Siam conflicts). I like your ideas for the different companies.

Hahaha and is that so? Well that's certainly ironic... If Sonic is an American game, however, I doubt it would be meant to idealize ANY French emperor. As the Cold War is still ongoing in '91 (and today), Sonic could be an allegory for the US - especially if Eggman is a caricature of Albert or Sebastien (either would work in context).

That also brings about surprising contextual relevancy for a number of other games, and perhaps even the use of video games a medium of propaganda. Royale Games makes a Fallout-like series (we really should come up with our own names for new series) in which the United States launched a nuclear strike against France. The Halo analogue makes the Covenant analogue a lot more like the French than a religious cult. Etc.

KingSweden 21:37, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

I haven't played Fallout, so I wouldn't know, but your ideas do sound very good. Have you given thought to how games such as Aftermath would be received in the US?

Having beaten Halo on Legendary more than once I agree completely. I started a Video Games page, but instead of decades (like TV and Movies have), I think we should structure it by era/generation of console.

As for your German.French exodus, keep in mind that America and France started as allies and very gradually became rivals. The 1940's and 50's were the nascent Cold War and the Bomb Scare after 1959 was the real trigger to the Cold War. There would probably be a big exodus of first generations and immigrants in that climate (a climate similar to the McCarthy era) but the more entrenched generations would most likely stay.

Considering the POD of 1812, when there was no German state, the effects would be dampened. The Russians were the ethnic group that really suffered in the aftermath of the Napoleonic Wars, and that created the Russian Exodus (which is why Alaska exists). Germans were mostly included and recruited into the French government, although there is still some resentment.

KingSweden 04:14, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

That actually sounds pretty good. They could be like an Alaskan version of Rareware (I obviously haven't been following the gaming world for quite some while). Haha I'll take your word for it, I've never played the Fallout series. If it's a French-made game, would the focus be primarily on Europe? Consider using Petrograd or Moscow as a site for the series too, since those are significant parts of the French Empire.

I'm not sure about Rommel's career as an American general due partially to the fact that the only major American conflict on the scale of WWII is the Pacific War between 1924-29. America doesn't go to war again until the Cold War police actions in South Africa in 1950 or in England during the English Adventure. He could, however, be a major player in the French Civil War.

KingSweden 05:33, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Aftermath
Damn, you really put some thought into that. I like it! Minor correction (guess I'm a stickler): Albert I started the Civil War (arguably, it's not quite that cut and dry. What in history ever is?). Albert II succeeded Sebastien. BUT I agree that any French Imperial villain would be inspired by Albert I due to his negative connotations.

Well sounds like we'll need to invent some monuments in Berlin of our own! Good work, I can tell you invested some serious thought into this. I'd put some of this on the Video Games page so you can share the wealth with everyone. I also made a page for the Jake McCoy franchise, which is a "version" of Indiana Jones

KingSweden 00:22, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, sure. You have enough material to really flesh out an Aftermath page.

If you're confused about French Emperors, you may want to check the page on the Bonaparte dynasty - Albert I came to power in the Iron Revolution and reigned from 1925-1939, and was succeeded during the Civil War by Edmond, who fought his brother Sebastien and lost. Sebastien ruled until 1975 and was succeeded by Albert II. Albert II and even more so his son Maurice Napoleon I considerably eased the authoritarian elements of French rule fromt he Albert I and Sebastien eras, but it is, of course, a single-party monarchy.

KingSweden 04:54, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

What I would receommend then is to start the Aftermath sereis in, say, 2001 or 2002 or something for the PC, with a new installment released every two years? That way the series is more modern and "looks better" (as in graphics, storyline, so on) to the average player.

Cool! That'd probably be out in New Mexico or something (you could put it around Mesa, which is the ATL version of Phoenix?)

And make a page man! Flesh it all out on a franchise page.

KingSweden 07:42, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Freedom For Scotland
Whats up with this "Freedom For Scotland" & the East American Alliance. --Zack 01:09, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. Dude, no offense but I'm not sure that would digest well with the rest of the folks and it's kind of crazy for them to intervene in another continent when there are plenty problems on their own. Also, what's up with the whole bunch of CS states (as well as North Penn, Toledo, and Florida?) on the expansion path for the EAA? Did you notify the authors? Because I know I didn't get a notification, but I'm going to keep North Penn out of this and I'll see about Florida.

Sorry if this is going to come out like a mixed message but I want you to know if I ever say something that pisses you off or offends you than you just tell me man. I know I've rained on Virginia a lot but that doesn't mean I have a problem with you in general. But please, Yank, just don't do crazy stuff like starting wars in Scotland, man, kay? Arstar 03:13, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Whats this about the Freedom for Scotland movement? no ones asked me about anything involving one of my articles?--Smoggy80 16:57, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Wabash Union
I was wondering if I could tweek the Wabash Union to work with my Indiana page. Have Wabash join with the Wayne Townships and soon with Terre Haute and Richmond - ending up into the Republic Of Indiana or Provisional Indiana.--Sunkist- 19:54, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

CrimsonAssasain
Well my first question is have you brought this complaint with the players of the game or whoever the moderator is? You should try that first, let consensus decide. Also I think you should contact Oer, he is still the admin who is supposed to moderate the map games as a whole. Mitro 21:40, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Hey
Hey Yank I need to talk to you about something. I would prefer to do it off-wiki so message me when you can. Please do respond, Arstar 22:27, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

We can chat over IRC. Message me on my talk page when you'd be ready to chat and I'll give you the link and instructions. Arstar 01:24, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

You still on, Yank? I wasn't online when you messaged me.

Arstar 18:05, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Okay since we're having a communications issue I'm just going to tell you here. One of the things was that I am advising you not to allow Sunkist to tweek your Wabash Union article as he wanted to do, because he wanted to have it join Indiana unilaterally. and the other thing...lets just say that its irrelevant now.

EDIT: See the Wabash Union talk page for my response to your message there. Arstar 07:56, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Chicago
I'm not sure why Chicago would have shrunk... I have most cities as they are today or slightly tweaked (i.e. swapping Tacoma and Seattle/Alki Bay as the big cities in my home state, renaming some cities on the West Coast, creating Covenant, adding some cities in Cuba with Anglicized names, so on, so forth).

The only time I've ever spent in Chicago was a two hour layover at O'Hare so I'm not super familiar with the city, but isn't it a really strategically located city based on its proximity to the Great Lakes, a major river and the Western frontier? Maybe it wouldn't be AS big as in OTL (maybe the 11th or 12th biggest city?) but Stephen Douglas is still an important politician and would still have lobbied to bring the railroad through Chicago (isn't that how it got its big growth spurt in the 1800's? Correct me if I'm wrong. I really don't know a whole lot about Illinois).

KingSweden 07:17, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Unifying Ithaca and Binghamton
Hey Yank. I'm interested in unifying Ithaca and Binghamton, message me if you want to discuss the idea. Arstar 20:00, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

I'd suggest that we don't go by county lines if we're going to make this Republic of New York. There's a few rivers and lakes to build solid borders by, because county lines don't make the best building blocks. Remember there's also a lot of goonies in New York like the Native American State pissing Niagara's puppet state Lockport off and than there's there raider problem with Malone, Keene, and Lake Placid. Arstar 16:58, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

So do you have any name ideas besides the Republic of New York? There's so many nations going by their former statehood names that its kinda getting a bit boring. I'm not ruling it out but I think we should hear out the other options. Arstar 04:32, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

Republic of Finger Lakes sounds like some large fast food bucket of chicken fingers to me. Arstar 05:06, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, so what should we do? I thought maybe we could name it after a town where the signing of the constitution would take place and I thought of Lisle. How does the Republic of Lisle sound? Arstar 04:05, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Or how 'bout Yorkshire, or New Yorkshire? Arstar 04:06, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Yank, are you still up for unifying them? I've been away for about almost 3 months now but I'm trying to finish up all these proposals I left in limbo. Arstar 03:57, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

College Ball
Dunno how much you follow college football, but I'm doing a poll of all the different users I regularly talk to on here to see who they'd like to see win the different bowl games this season in Napoleon's World. Whoever gets the most votes wins!


 * National Championship at the Sugar Bowl: #1 Huron Highlanders (13-0) vs. #2 Nova Scotia Sea Lions (12-0)


 * Texas Bowl: #4 LSU Tigers (12-1) vs. #10 Washington Huskies (10-2)


 * Rose Bowl: #3 Pacifica Orcas (12-1) vs. #8 Indiana Hoosiers (11-2)


 * Silver Bowl: #5 Kahokia Thundering Herd (11-1) vs. #9 South Carolina (10-2)


 * Orange Bowl: #6 Cuba Spaniards (12-1) vs. #14 Northern Apachia (11-1)


 * Peach Bowl: #20 Mississippi Falcons (9-4) vs. #17 Maryland Terrapins (9-4)


 * Manhattan Bowl: #7 Eastern New York Flying Dutchmen (11-1) vs. #18 Missouri Tigers (9-3)


 * Paradise Bowl: #11 Florida State Seminoles (10-2) vs. #22 USC Trojans (8-4)


 * Chicago Bowl: #12 Michigan State Spartans (10-2) vs. #21 Alabama Crimson Tide (8-4)

KingSweden 17:16, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Citrus Bowl: #13 Nebraska Cornhuskers (10-2) vs. #15 Massachusetts Minutemen (10-2)

Something You'll Enjoy
Batman in film (Napoleon's World)

Batman vs. Superman (Napoleon's World)

Jake McCoy franchise (Napoleon's World)

KingSweden 02:38, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Next Meet?
You know, I was wondering the same thing. Would next week at St. Vital work? My class load is better now so I won't be too rushed. Tbguy1992 03:59, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Yank. I'm just checking in for today seeing I have some free time and, how's it going? With the timeline, with the New York article, etc. Arstar 02:58, January 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Not meaning to push you, but will this Tuesday (Feb 1) work to meet at St. Vital? If not, when else would work? Tbguy1992 19:01, January 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep, sounds right. See ya then. Tbguy1992 01:58, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

well, that happens. My name is Tyler, and I'll be wearing a black cowboy hat, and I'll be sitting outside Sizzling Wok, most likely with a laptop. Shouldn't be able to miss me :p Tbguy1992 17:46, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunatly, I don't think that's possible. I'm going into my exam period now, so I'm basiclly talking a sabatical from Alternate History until after that is over. But after that I'm heading back home, so, unfortunatly, I will not be able to meet up with you again until September. Sorry, but this is not a good time for me.

TSPTF Call Out
Hi. If you are receiving this message it is because you are a member of the TSPTF, but did not respond to the TSPTF Call Out. If you still consider yourself an active member, please leave a short message on the TSTPF talk page. If you do not feel you can be an active member of the TSTPF, please leave a message at the TSPTF talk page or contact me with your retirement notice. If you do not respond to this message, you will be marked as an inactive member. Thank you for your service to this wiki. Mitro 16:17, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

British Indian Ocean Territories
I've been updating my DD page on the UK, mainly adding the former British Dependancies and what happened to them after DD, i've run into a problem with the British Indian Ocean Territories. I've not been able to find anything on it on the DD pages so i've added that Diego Garcia got hit with a 10 KT tactical nuke (with it beign a US/UK joint military base that seems probable) I was wondering if the rest of the islands, called the Chagos Islands, would join with Mauritius, mainly as it only got seprated in 1965.

Does that sound ok--Smoggy80 13:02, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Ok i've changed the UK page to fit that the Chagos Islands are now part of Mauritius--Smoggy80 17:07, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Kampuchea
In 1983DD, what happens to the Khmer Rouge? Exile or does they just chill in Pursat like OTL? Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 06:09, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Mexico
That's a really good idea and it makes perfect sense (sort of like Russia's nobility being massacred if they didn't flee to Siberia). There was already a Mexico (Napoleon's World)}Mexico page, so I took your infobox from the Mexican Empire page and added it to the existing page. I'll get to work on some more historical detail on Mexico later. Thanks for the idea, I really like it.

As for Hetalia, I've honestly never heard of that show. Considering that there was no grand global conflict on the scale of WWII in this TL, you'd have to alter the ideas behind the program significantly to make it work. But you can do whatever you want with that.

24.18.245.206 19:52, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Whoops this was me ^^. I suppose in present day Mexico would be a stronger ally of America than they might be in OTL and stronger economically as well, as they likely would not have had the same unstable history. However, it still stands to reason that a conflict between the two emerging powers on the continent would have erupted - in fact, your idea of an Iturbide-Hapsburg marriage would make it even more likely, in my opinion. But you are right. A stable Mexico would likely mean a friendlier relationship between the two, perhaps even meaning a Mexican membership in NATO?

KingSweden 19:56, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

We're on the same page. The Mexican-American war as I have it is between 1839-45 - well before OTL's. I think a closer relationship, like the one with Alaska, could easily be expected. What I was getting at is that a conflict in the 1840's is a LONG time ago and that Mexico and America today could be best pals.

KingSweden 20:15, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

I think I get Hetalia a bit better now. Don't overestimate the "militarism" of Japan, its still a secular, economically prosperous country - I think a vibrant culture would still remain. I think it could be interesting for Napoleon's World to have a version of Hetalia revolving more around the Cold War, maybe? For example, it could include the Pacific War in te 1920's and then move forward as a Japanese take on the French-American conflict that emerges starting in the late 1940's and throughout the 1950's...?

KingSweden 21:11, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

As you can see, I have fleshed out the Mexico articles significantly.

KingSweden 00:22, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

?
What's with all the pointless edits? Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 06:12, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Central America
I like the parameters of the country. I'm not sure they necessarily would have named the country Centroamerica, however, as I feel that may be the kind of name Americans would have given the region... But I dunno. When in doubt about Latin America, ask Katholico has always been my policy.

And I'm prettyyyy sure the "rightful" kings of Portugal were in Brazil all along during the Napoleonic Wars (Pedro I of Brazil was the son of the Portuguse king in OTL) but I may be able to play around with that. Also note that Portugal is one of the leading members of NATO and a staunch US ally in the Cold War.

KingSweden 02:49, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

I'll ask Katholico what he thinks, I can't come up with anything better either atm :P

KingSweden 18:52, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

There are quite a few articles already concerning Brazil even though there is no proper Brazil page in existence. Of note: Brazilian War, Colombia, Elizabeth Shannon. Brazil already was a military dictatorship and it was one in the 1970's and 1980's. I'm not sure when exactly that means the monarchy was overthrown, but likely a significant time before then.

KingSweden 22:08, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

That being said, there aren't any Paraguay, Chile or Peru articles yet. Chile was communist for a while (as Katholico and I decided) but no nation pages. Those are game and not places I know a whole lot about. Same goes for places in Africa such as Ethiopia, Zululand, Konga, Nigeria, Sudan/Nubia....? and so on.

KingSweden 22:09, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Rat Pack
I've started working on the influence of criminal Rat Pack on Las Vegas in Napoleon's World, but since it was an idea brought up by you and Mister Sheen, I figured I'd hold off until I got some more input on the idea from you. My idea was this: the Italian Dino Cocetti (Dean Martin's real name) and Frank Sinatra start muscling out Midwest and East Coast crime families from Vegas in the 1950's and 1960's and forge an alliance with the Jewish power brokers in the city a la Joseph Gottlieb (Joey Bishop's real name) and with business interests such as English expatriate Peter Lawford, who has connections to the Kennedy's (as in real life, both with Lawford marrying Pat Kennedy and with the Kennedys having mob connections). I'm not quite sure what to do with Sammy Davis Jr quite yet.

As a result, the Cocetti family becomes the dominant force in Vegas, take out or sell out their competitors (they'd likely have immunity from the FBI thanks to government connections they can thus use to their advantage) and Vegas would still have organized crime elements all the way into the 1990's. Cocetti's sons Craig, Paul or Ricci could eventually cripple the family through infighting amongst themselves and cause a schism with Sinatra's offspring, perhaps? I'm intrigued to hear your thoughts.

KingSweden 22:18, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thank you Yank! I appreciate that, and all the ideas you've tossed me on Alternate Destinies or elsewhere. I can only think of two I've ever not incorporated in some way, that says a lot about the quality of the input you have for the TL. I also appreciate that you ask before making edits, which is more than some users on this wiki are wont to do. Always a pleasure working with you.

Also, I recall you were interested in the non-Alt Hist wiki media for Napoleon's World.... If you send me your email, I can shoot you what I have so far on two book ideas. There isn't much, but there's still a little.

KingSweden 19:02, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

They both sound good to me!

KingSweden 19:36, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Hetalia (Napoleon's World)
Hi Yank! Well, i know just a little about Hetalia (Once, some people asked me to do the voice of England for a fandub XD) And about the characters of the south american countries, i'm not sure which should be the personalities of these nations in "Napoleon's World".... Maybe I can contribute with the names. Regards! --Katholico 01:40, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Courland & potential Lithuanian Survivor State
The thing with that area of Lithuania, Yank, is that it also would have gotten tons of fallout from Kaliningrad, as winds in that area tend to go northeast. Not that the idea isn't possible, but there's a ton of issues involved with that you'll have to deal with. You could probably get away with a tiny bit - it was quite militarized and would have been dealt with roughly - of the Kaliningrad Oblast too, though.

Resurrecting the Duchy of Trakai, in the area of Lithuania south of Vilnius and Kaunas, would be a better idea, in my mind.

Either way, I'll help you out a bit.

Lordganon 17:31, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I've actually been hunting for that already, lol. Problem is, these lines are all died out or were in a destroyed city in 1983. The only names I can remotely connect that is still alive to it is Micheal of Romania, the last king of Romania, who was in Switzerland, or the ruler of my Waldeck-Hesse state. But that doesn't help the matter, for how long after the fact that would mean the "ruler" arrived, meaning it wouldn't make sense besides, nor would either go along with it anyways.

It'll have to be someone claiming to be a descendant of the Dukes of Courland in one, and the Kings of Poland (who got the other duchy through Lithuania) coming to power in both, I'm afraid.

Lordganon 18:23, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

More hunting, and still no good news, really. More stretching, searching for really far relatives of those who have had the Duchy at one point or another. The descendants of Edmond de Talleyrand-Périgord, married to an illegitimate daughter of the last duke, did indeed live into the 20th century, definitely past the end of WWII since one of them, named Napoléon, sheltered relics at their mansion from the Louvre museum during it - no idea past that, mind, or if that was the end of them or not. The claimant to the Kingship of Italy, according to research I did for Greece atl to be Prince Amedeo, Duke of Aosta, is another but with claims to both Duchies, rather than just Courland, but still very remote and with the same issues. Prince Heinrich Julius of Hanover, in Berlin or Gottingen at Doomsday, is another one for the Courland Duchy. The ruler of Swabia-Wurtemburg, whoever that may be, also has claims to both. Also found another reference that puts the Waldeck claimant to the top of the list for Courland, strength-wise.

Another claimant for Samogita is the claimant to the atl French Throne, the Duke of Orleans, which is through a couple paths and likely the strongest. The King of Sweden also holds a claim to it, and all things considered, you could stretch this to Courland too. Prince Alexander of Saxe-Gessaphe, the heir to the throne of Saxony, was in Mexico City at the time and also has a claim.

The most probable two outcomes from here are for Prince Heinrich Julius of Hanover to have Courland, and the Swedish King Samogita. The two strongest, however, seem to be the House of Waldeck-Pyrmont, heads of Waldeck-Hesse, for Courland, and the House of Orleans, heads of the Duchy of Orleans, for Samogita.

Now, I agree that is just too unlikely, with the Swede the only one being remotely plausible, given location, etc, to have it of these people within a couple of years.

As you say, the route of Bermuda is an option. So is the route taken by Japan and Spain, though I'd actually make that successful, lol. And we could always have someone claim to be a descendant and take the throne, too - all it would take would be some fake papers and publicly claiming to be descended from an illegitimate child of one of the Dukes of Courland or Kings of Poland.

I'll do pop. etc. tomorrow.

Lordganon 08:26, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Scraping the bottom of the barrel, the only other claims are the Hapsburg heir, whomever that may be, whomever the current heir to the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies/Spain could possibly be, and whoever may be the claimant to the Jacobite Succession through the claimants to the throne of Bavaria, all to Samogita.

The French claim is also further strengthened. By far, it is the strongest.

Funny how many there is for that one, lol. Elective Monarchy will do that.

Lordganon 15:43, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, they all could get there in theory. It just depends on when it happens which could do it.

Within the first couple years? The Swede, obviously.

Past that, only the guy in Berlin works until the mid-1990s, when the other European guys, outside of Waldeck and Orleans, become available. Remove Michael and Amedeo as well for other reasons.

Waldeck and Orleans - more so, their children - only in the last year or so.

But, I figure either appointing a local, a committee searching for an heir ala Spain and Japan, or a local claiming to be descended from the monarchs is the best options. I just can't see one of these guys with a potential claim actually going to the effort on their own, considering their claims being pretty slim and in light of other things. Heck, even the one guy - the mansion guys are gone, I figure - without a claim elsewhere to something better has a claim to Saxony, which is probably more realistic.

I would say go with a local claiming to be descended from a king, or appointing a local, in Samogita being the best option there, with the other one being on the table for Courland as well as those two.

Of course, my preference is for the committee myself, lol. Or just having a Swedish or Danish prince do it. Swedes have an outright, if weak, claim to Samogita, after all, and the Danish claim to Courland is just as strong as the Swedish one. Note the Norwegians are a cadet branch of the Danes, so they don't count here.

Lordganon 16:54, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

I've come up with a map base for Samogita, as well as a couple of potential capitals, for whenever you make the article, Yank. Lordganon 19:44, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll give it a whirl. Lordganon 07:15, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

Looks fine to me, Yank. If I see something wrong, I'll let you know. I should get to expanding things a touch for it later tonight, if things go as planned, too. Lordganon 00:30, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Also, any thoughts on the duke? Lordganon 00:30, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

I'd more so go with something like "Jacob II" as Kettler was the last name, which the new guy wouldn't have. As for who.... well, picking someone shouldn't be too hard. Just depends on how you want it done, though you know my preference, lol.

The article looks good, though I do prefer the original "Samogita" idea by far to the new Lithuania name - just more original, you know? Given how the Baltic is atl, the idea of these nations having some sort of alliance like that just seems kind of superfluous to me as well, given the Nordic Union is right there and Estonia at the very least has joined - and I see no reason why the others couldn't have joined at the same time, either. I will try to add some details to it in a bit.

Lordganon 07:27, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Makes sense to me that they'd be doing pretty well. They're likely the biggest port on the east/south Baltic coast between Helsinki and Prussia, so it makes sense.

How would you prefer a duke is named, and when?

Lordganon 19:49, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Heh. Now that I like the sound of. Lordganon 23:14, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

1985 is really just too soon, Yank. They'd have no outside contact but with the Nordics by that point, and I have to kind of doubt that they'd let one of those royal families take the throne, or that they'd find a local descendant. The direct, or even semi-direct, descendants of the Kettlers died out almost entirely everywhere - they weren't really the type that could have a lot of kids. Lordganon 01:18, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

More like during the war. The Soviets burned a lot when they took over, lol.

But, while that is indeed an option, it's kinda... cheap, on one hand, and too easy on another. It's unlikely that they would just except someone claiming to be a illegitimate descendant - all the legitimate ones left were in Germany at DD - especially so early on. Given the state of records, and the illegitimacy, it's almost 100% that someone claiming such would be lying, and even if not, could prove it at all. More likely they'd declare someone to the spot. Add to that, as well, that any such claimant would more than likely have been German, and they were almost all expelled in 1945.

I've thought about who would be best as the eventual candidate, and despite my own preference for one of the Waldeck children, feel that Prince Heinrich Julius of Hanover would be a good choice, starting sometime in the early to mid 1990s. By my best guess he'd have been in Berlin at DD. Maybe have him childless, at least for now, with the Waldecks as heirs since contact was made with them, or something - I recognize on that small area I'm biased, lol - but that way it's more legit and I have my guys on top sometime down the road, lol.

I'd say for Lithuania just a second/etc kid of the Swedish Monarch, unless you want the French there, lol.

Lordganon 06:23, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

Not a problem Yank, was figuring on you asking me anyways, lol. Lordganon 08:09, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

Principia Moderni
Hi. I was wondering if you wanted to be an admin for Principia Moderni. You have to remove references to Corsica first, though, as they go against the colonization rules. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 00:26, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

You can keep your small trading post, but you can't activate it as a colony until 50 years after your second colony. Also, try to coexist with LxCaucassus. Most of his edits don't require reversion, but if you are concerned with any post, feel free to leave a note. Also, I was wondering if you wanted to be able to update the map for countries other than your own. Btw first I want to see a sample map (any digital map you've made before). Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 01:49, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I was wondering if you could take over the Principia Moderni Map Game from Tuesday to Saturday, as I'm going to be without internet access. Just basically update the turn at 8:00 EST (0:00 UTC). Are you good at mapmaking? Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 18:39, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for taking over the game and keeping it going. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 20:13, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

Principia Moderni
Great leader of Vietnam-

How long have we suffered under the heel of the Chinese? How long have our people suffered from the wrath of the Ming? For far too long we have been subjugated to the Chinese, divided amongst ourselves, puppets to the “superior race” of China. For far too long we have accepted and consented to the fact that China was more powerful, is more powerful, and will be more powerful than us. That has gone for far too long, and our nation, our people are suffering. China has grown weak, isolating themselves from the world. So come, brothers, let us rise up against the Chinese tyranny, crush their armies, burn their palaces, put their Imperial Family to the sword and start a new era of peace and prosperity. Come, for divided we are weak, but united we are strong.

Emperor Kim Ji-Myung—Joseon



Siberia
Well, that Council of the LoN that they do it in atl is based off of the otl Security Council, in which that can't be done. It's an oversight, I think, but not worth changing, as there is precedent, up to a point. Technically, the Security Council otl actually has this type of power, though none have used it, because countries that this would apply to would have been blocked by the General Assembly long before getting that far, for example Taiwan. In the LoN, they'd get that far. Kinda silly, but Siberia's not actually the only one atl to have used it. With how things are, I wouldn't worry too much - that will change in the next couple years, I'm sure, given Siberian Agression. Lordganon 00:45, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

English General Election
On May 1st, the Republic of England in Napoleon's World will host its general election. The candidates are Hugh Grant of the Whig Party, and Jack Davenport of Labour. Which party should win?

KingSweden 21:06, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

Alternate History Fiction w/in Napoleon's World
I think that's a good idea, but I don't want to just make our world the template for what everyone thinks would have happened. Picture that: an Althist within an Althist!

I also thought there could be an Althist in which the United States and France actually do go to war instead of having a Cold War, or where the Alaskan War or Mexican War go differently, or so on. There are a lot of options in this TL.

KingSweden 04:07, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

ASEAN in Doomsday
As you remember, a while back you created most of the countries in Indochina, while I created Thailand and we both mentioned the ASEAN organization. Is there a page regarding this organization? I can't seem to find any. And if there isn't, would you mind if I create one?--Vladivostok 09:30, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Batman
What do you mean by derivative?

KingSweden 01:18, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Bela Lugosi
So a nutjob running around European Turkey biting people in the neck in the early 20th century? I like it! KingSweden 06:43, May 5, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, yes. He was Hungarian, you are right. Well, that all sounds just fine. I approve!

As for Mexican classical music, I've been under the impression typically that Austrian composers were at their zenith PRIOR to the time of the fall of Austria, but music is by far not my strong suit or area of remote interest. I'm going to press the DEFER button here and let you do whatever you want with that, preferably on a new, separate page. If you come up with a clever name (like I did with Peliculosa) for that particular style of music, that'd be even better (something like Mexican Chamber, w/e you can think of, that was just a suggestion).

KingSweden 15:23, May 5, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and I just thought of something - Blasko would have been guillotined (at least in real life, idk about the movies made about him) since he is in France, not electrocuted.

KingSweden 15:24, May 5, 2011 (UTC)

Map Game
Idk if i Have the time for that, this quarter's been really busy at college... sorry dude.

KingSweden 02:31, May 6, 2011 (UTC)

The Tricky Thing About Germany
Germany is kind of a prickly problem in this TL because Germany wasn't defined as "Germany" in the early 1810's when Napoleon scored his massive victories - that's why the type of German nationalism you've suggested on occasion doesn't make a ton of sense (f.ex. the mass-German exodus to America you suggested once). However, your integration of Austrian expatriates into Mexico makes a ton of sense as Austria was a Hapsburg realm as opposed to a German one, albeit a very German-centric country. The Hapsburgs would have absolutely not accepted capitulation to Napoleonic rule and that is why they set up shop in Mexico or North Africa (I still need to write that article).

At the time of Napoleon, however, Germany was divided up into numerous micro-states, most of which were united by Napoleon into the Confederation of the Rhine, and Prussia was on-and-off Napoleon's ally. Because of the strength of Prussia and their lack of belligerency, that's why I have them surviving as a minor German-speaking state in eastern Europe even into the 20th century, while the belligerent Austria gets annexed by France due to their assaults on the Empire. Most Germans were in fact aligned with Napoleon (at least the non-Prussian ones) because he protected them from Austria and managed to bring all the minor German princely states into a collaborative force in central Europe. In fact, Austria as an empire was only truly formed in 1806 with the dissolution of the long-stagnant and divided Holy Roman Empire. Thus, I don't think the kind of Germanic nationalism, as much as I love having powerful Germans around in TL's as well, would have necessarily existed due to the trajectory of the closeness of the Germans and French within the Empire. In fact, much of the grievance of the Russians in the 20th century French Empire is that the French treat the Germans as equals, while they treat the Poles and Russians like second-class citizens.

KingSweden 18:39, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure what strategic interest of the French Empire that kind of an effort would serve - HOWEVER, it may stand to reason that East Prussian interests on the African continents are fulfilled, as the nominally independent East Prussian government could establish a colony on the coast (I'd recommend that yet-unnamed strip of maroon along the west coast on the Napoleon's World global map, south of OTL and ATL Nigeria) where a lot of Poles and Germans could have moved. Since East Prussia was independent except for a 45-year period in the early 20th century, that would make a ton of more sense.

KingSweden 20:24, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

I suppose the colony would probably be named Prussian West Africa or something, then in 1902 they become independent (the year East Prussia is temporarily disbanded), then we'd see that big influx of Poles during the late 1920's and early 1930's over the perceived "Polish Betrayal" (since the Poles were allies of Napoleon in the Napoleonic Wars, they'd be angry over the suppression at the hands of Albert I...?). The country could be called Neue Germania after independence or whatnot, with its capital at Wilhelmstadt or Freidrichstadt or something along those lines.

KingSweden 21:04, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

No future history?
I didn't know that, persay. I can adjust the time period of 2018 to about 2002, if that's okay.

-MerchantofDeath 23:13, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Slavs/Eastern Europeans
Wouldn't it make more sense for them to move to Siberia or Alaska, which is Slavic-majority and already teeming with exiles and expatriates?

KingSweden 17:32, May 20, 2011 (UTC)

Well that makes sense, that's how most African countries in OTL work. I'm not sure the French would have ganged up on the Poles quite as much as you're suggesting, as in the early 1800's the Duchy of Warsaw was one of Napoleon's most reliable allies, and by the 1940's the French Empire takes a much more liberal approach towards its ethnic minorities thanks to Sebastien winning the French Civil War. Plus, while France may be an authoritarian state of varying levels, it isn't Nazi Germany.

HOWEVER, that being said, I still think plenty of Poles would have emigrated regardless just because of how poor their corner of Europe has historically been, winding up in either America (maybe in smaller numbers than OTL) and in New Germany (where there's a large Polish community).

KingSweden 17:43, May 23, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Cohesive List
United States: NATO

England: NATO

Alaska: NATO

Portugal: NATO

Egypt: NATO

Turkey: NATO

Iceland: NATO

Oceania: NATO

Syria: NATO

Colombia: NATO

Mexico: Neutral, Lean NATO

Argentina: Neutral, Lean NATO

Brazil: Neutral, Lean NATO, FORMERLY Lean CIC

Chile: Neutral

Peru: Neutral, Lean CIC

Jamiaca: Neutral, Lean NATO

Haiti: CIC

Bahamas: CIC

France: CIC

East Prussia: CIC

Persia: CIC

Italy: CIC

Spain: CIC

Denmark: CIC

Ireland: CIC

Scotland: Neutral, Formerly Lean CIC (Connery Era)

China: Neutral, in Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, Lean NATO

Japan: Neutral, Lean CIC

Korea: Neutral, Lean NATO

Siberia: Neutral, Lean Neither

Afghanistan: Neutral, Lean Dependant on Current Government

Central America: Neutral, Lean CIC

Mali: CIC

Gangestan: Neutral, Lean NATO

Mysore: Neutral, Heavy Lean CIC

Ceylon: Neutral, Lean Dependant on Current Government

Bengal: Neutral, Lean NATO

Siam: Heavy Lean NATO

Viet Nam: Lean NATO

Burma: Lean CIC

Cambodia: Lean NATO

Nigeria: Lean NATO

New Germany: Lean CIC (due to relations with East Prussia)

Camenbal: Lean CIC

Zululand: Lean CIC

South Africa: Lean NATO

Boer Republic: Lean CIC

East Kongo: Lean CIC

West Kongo: Lean NATO

Zanzibar: Lean NATO

Arabia: Heavy Lean NATO

Cyrene: Heavy Lean NATO

Ethiopia: Neutral, Lean CIC

Sultanate of Yemen: Lean NATO

Nubia: Lean CIC

Tibet: Lean CIC

Nepal: Lean CIC

Caribbean Confederation: Lean NATO

Paraguay: Lean CIC

Switzerland: Neutral

Zion Free State (partially recognized): Heavy Lean CIC

KingSweden 20:07, May 30, 2011 (UTC)

Vietnamese Names
Most languages that were formerly used by major states have lexicons somewhere online. For Vietnamese, I would suggest vdict.com. I have used it for several months now for my Conworlds project. The general rule is if you want to name something "apple land," for example, write it as "land apple." Or for "blue peninsula" write it as "peninsula blue." The adjective always goes after, like in Spanish or French. Follow those rules and you're basically set. Also, don't worry about Vietnamese how it used to sound in the 1500s. There is a resource by Alexander de Rhodes from around that time period, but I'm not picky. Just remember "sun" in Old Vietnamese is "blời" and moon is "blăng." It makes better place names than modern "mặc trời" and "mặc trăng." <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 03:57, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Horsemen Designs
No, they're not drawings (my artistic ability is distinctly lacking), just images in my head (there's pretty much an entire multiverse up there). Why do you ask?Tessitore 22:32, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. *debates as to whether or not I'm actually going to use them myself * Okay, here goes. Death was one of those people who you can't quite tell the gender of by looking at them, although they were probably female, had the standard post-apocalyptic scruffiness going on but seemed cheerful, friendly and normal enough, until you realised that no one should be that upbeat in that sort of environment. War was an apparently young man in tatty combat gear (ie, combat gear that looked like it had been through more than a few fights) and a gasmask that rarely, if ever, came off. He very rarely spoke and despite what he represented was a good natured, likeable sort of guy with a bit of a heroic streak. He was also armed to the teeth, including a large and very nasty looking sword which was strapped to his back, and was pretty much a one man army when fighting. I never really thought of anything for the other two.Tessitore 13:57, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds okay to me. Your idea for Famine in particular seems very original, not to mention that I could see it leading to a few 'mugging the monster' moments (idiots see pretty girl, idiots harrass her, something 'unfortunate' happens to idiots). Also, something just occurred to me. Since it seems like it would make sense for the four of them to at least try to travel incognito so as to make things easier for everyone, do they have 'human' names and if not would you like me to find some (I'm a bit of a names geek)?Tessitore 14:30, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

Burma Separatism
Happened to notice you've been looking into ideas about separatism from Myanmar hehe. If you're interested I can offer support, maps and such. Southeast Asia is my area of specialty and I kinda wanted to have at least a small contribution in that area in Doomsday. Also I was wondering if you considered a Karen separatist state. I can assure that Karen separatism is much more ingrained than that of the Mons and Arakans. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 03:14, June 7, 2011 (UTC)



What do you think? Turquoise is an extension of Nagaland. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 04:58, June 11, 2011 (UTC)

I've rethought some of this. There is no logical reason Burma's government would totally collapse, but there is validity in some of these separatist movements. Now with China out of the picture, Burma would have to rely on its neighbors, India and Thailand. India is basically balkanized, but I know that India could benefit economically from the independence of the Arakan province. Despite their weakness, they could create instalments in Sittwe and Kyaukpyu which would bring extra food and other commodities into India. It also makes sense because India supported the pro-democracy movement in Burma until 1987. And I wouldn't call this a state-run affair, but more of creation of minor economic imperialism led by individuals seeking to gain a profit while at the same time keeping poorer populations in Arakan afloat, and protecting them from Burmese occupation. Maybe also Bangladesh could absorb parts of Arakan that are predominantly Islam? Idk, this is up to you, but I'm just throwing out ideas.

Also, knowing Thai-Burmese relations, Thailand would definitely continue to support buffer states such as Kawthoolei and Monland. It would lessen the likelihood of Burmese aggression, it would help "resolve" border conflicts, and generally increase Thai power in the region. Thailand would virtually be recreating its vassal empires of pre-20th century.

As for Myanmar, chances are that without a dependable ally, it would withdraw into isolation and contact mostly with Yunnan. I would put a high probability that Thailand would be the one to destroy the Burmese state. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 05:02, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Whitney/Walker
I think Whitney as a gunsmith would sound just fine. In fact, if Whitney didn't exist, then a cotton gin as advanced as OTL's may not have been invented (meaning either no cotton gin at all or just a less economic version) which may have helped explain why Southerners were more open to allowing slavery to just disappear.

As for Walker, I think having him successfully become the President of Centroamerica as a foreign-born is a lot more interesting than the alternative. Otherwise, he'd be just another dude who was the leader of a country at some point.

KingSweden 03:35, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

NU, Lithuania, and Courland
How would you feel about Lithuania and Courland joining the Nordic Union as observers in Doomsday? Would basically mean they get Nordic Protection, but don't have to go along with the Union in all regards. Lordganon 07:56, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

Yep, same deal. Will work it in the NU article when updating it later tonight. Lordganon 00:46, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

500
We have now reached 500 articles on Napoleon's World. Thanks for all your continuing support and interest!

KingSweden 16:17, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

Principia Moderni
I didn't want to suggest this out in the open, though overly nosy people can read this. I have been amping my military up for years now, waiting to attack the Mughals. I think we can get Japan to help and the Ottomans to help push them from the west. We've got them surrounded and its just a ticking time bomb before they get atttacked.

The only problem is Hanthawaddy, which both of us can grab too if they act up.

CrimsonAssassin 03:14, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

Grant, Walker and Hitler
KingSweden 19:47, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * I was thinking that Grant could call his whiskey label "General Grant's Missouri Whiskey." So when people want to go get drunk off whiskey, they go buy "General's" or whatever (sort of like when I go buy Jack, because I love that stuff)
 * Wrote an article about Walker they way I imagined things going down.
 * Good point on Hitler. I wrote that bio back when the TL was still a work in progress and Sebastien was a lot more evil than he actually wound up being. I realize now, in hindsight, that the Churat in 1950 killing somebody opposed to Albert II in 1931 doesn't make a whole lot of sense, as Sebastien would probably have filled his secret police with loyalists who also apposed Albert II in 1931.

History
I just got an internship recently so I haven't had much of an opportunity to do anything lately. When I have some more time on my hands I'll make some updates.

If you check out the different royalty pages for Mexican Emperors (and princes), however, you can get a feel for the basic gist of each Emperor's reign up until the early 1900's (I'm still working out the whole Mexican Civil War - need to do more research).

KingSweden 05:42, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

Re: G8 (9)
If you swapped out East Prussia and Siberia for Ireland and Turkey, that'd look about right. On that same note, since Persia is a major economic hub, they could possibly be part of a G9... which could balance te NATO/CIC imbalance within the group (since Turkey, Alaska and Oceania are all NATO countries and that would give France Persia and Ireland as its CIC allies within the group).

The reason I take out East Prussia is twofold - first, unlike Denmark (which has all those Norwegian oil reserves), it is much more reliant upon the continental French economy than many other CIC states. It also isn't particularly large. The second reason is that the region occupied by East Prussia is not a tradtionally industrial sector of Germany or Poland - if there was an independent state based in western Germany, that would of course be different. The cessation of most of Prussia to Poland following WWII in OTL had the adverse affect of denying Germany access to most of their traditional farmland, after all.

The reason I take out Siberia is that despite vast natural gas reserves, its sparsely populated, has a history of political instability and just isn't as worthy of a position on the G8 as world power Turkey or economically sound Ireland, which fulfills the OTL role of the UK in the British Isles and in the CIC.

KingSweden 16:29, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Pampini/Your Other Question
I don't know much French, so I'm not sure what they would have been named... :/

On top of that, why would allies to the deposed Edmond Bonaparte/Francois Baptiste regime, members of whom had been in De Gaulle's Churat, assassinate Hitler and Pampini? Hitler was an artist whom I initially had be killed because when I first started the TL (and wanted to make sure nobody screwed around with Hitler), Sebastien was a lot more tyrannical than he wound up being once I figured some things out. NW is eternally a work in progress, after all. Why would former Edmondian spies want to kill harmless old Hitler, of all people?

As for Pampini, Sebastien would probably have felt a lot more threatened by him than the survivors of the Edmond regime. Pampini was, after all, advocating for a unified Italian state that would have included territory Sebastien had forcibly annexed to punish the northern Italian republics during the French Civil War's Italian Campaign, and was trying to outmaneuver Sebastien's ally the pope for local power in the Papal States. If an ODESSA-like organization were to have existed (and I do think that's a terrific idea, by the way), I doubt Hitler would have been their first and foremost target, and Pampini even less so. I'll write an article on the Guttendorp Commission sometime today, I've been meaning to for a while.

As for your other comment, my writing style sort of just takes me places. Some days I want to write about college football (I eat, sleep and breath it), somedays I want to write about James Bond, and some days I want to write about the Italian Mafia. It all really depends and its a blessing and a curse, it's why I can't ever get my friggen' books done haha. HOWEVER, that being said, nation pages are usually fair game for other editors to make additions to, if anything diverges from canon I usually touch them up or tweak things to not be an edit Nazi, and you're always really good about proposing ideas first or writing things that aren't super loopy. I had some trouble with another editor for awhile (won't use any names) who would assign pictures to people that were about 100 years off or so and get into edit wars and tell me how to run my timeline and then claim that he "did a lot for me" when most of my time interacting with him was cleaning his messes up off of my TL (specifically, pictures...). Whew. Got that out of the way. But you've always been an asset to the TL, so if you see stuff you want to add to, go on ahead. I'll tweak anything I'm angsty about as usual when I get around to it, at my own pace.

KingSweden 18:28, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Macau
Who's telling anyone what to do? Kenny was given a very limited range of permission by Arstar to edit the article, and he is trying to go further. As per his request, I'm not letting Kenny do it. Lordganon 19:32, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

As I said, Yank, I'm following Arstar's instructions - not being obnoxious, in the least. And until he says otherwise, I will continue to do so. Since you seem to have read Kenny's post and got that, know that he hasn't read a thing correctly. This is what Arstar actually told him:

''Sorry Kenny, but I'd appreciate it if you would NOT change the size of Macau and only work on the economics and other asthetic changes. Arstar 21:05, March 15, 2011 (UTC)''

What he is trying to do is not in line with his permissions. And, going by what South has responded to this trash with, he agrees with that, as of when of early this morning.

Lordganon 00:31, June 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Yank, for jumping in with some sanity here. LG has been going on and on about what amounts to nothing.  It is not a violation of the permission because it is not in anyway changing the size of the nation.  He made plenty of improvements on the article since March, only recently seeking permission to change the capital.  That in itself could be part of the 'economics' since it was deemed necessary due to a collapse of the economy on the island.  And hey, if the island was contaminated, then that would be an aesthetic change, wouldn't it.


 * LG, I am going to have to side with Kenny and Yank on this one. And yes, LG, you behavior on this is indeed obnoxious, even if you don't consider it to be.  The offense is hardly ever percieved by the offender.  I can't change you, but I can ask you again to tone it down, man.  You are just one editor, and only one administrator.  This is not your personal 'kingdom' that allows you to run roughshod over others.  Consider how you would feel if you were attacked verbally as you have been attacking Kenny. SouthWriter 02:01, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Jaguar
Yeah, I like that Good Idea.

KingSweden 23:01, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

U.S Presidents Contest
On the Nexus I have started a U.S Presidents Contest. The Earliest POD can be in the 1944 election.

Are you intrested? Alexanders 23:57, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

States of America 2
Since you aren't playing anymore may I annex your nations? Bobalugee1940 01:28, June 28, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Chernobyl/Alaska
Well, yes, I suppose Chernobyl could be an Alaskan plant. Don't overestimate the "anti-Russian" nuclear construction policies of French officials, however. By the time nuclear power became a feasible option (i.e. 1960's and 1970's), the anti-Russian elements of the French government had largely been eradicated (that's the whole point of the French Civil War, and the reason why Sebastien was able to win it).

Also, I'm going to use both of the pics you found for the Premiers of Alaska page. Who in OTL did you use for Sarugin (in case I want to find more pics)?

KingSweden 03:40, June 28, 2011 (UTC)

I swapped around some pics on the Premiers page to make the people look like they lived in the correct time period, but I kept Kalinin just made him appear earlier.

I like Gene Simmons as an actor, but I wouldn't wish the hell that is being Nicolas Cage upon anyone, even my worst enemy. Besides, isn't Simmons in his 60's? I think he's too old.

KingSweden 16:39, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

We've got Richard Gere in Die Hard but yeah, I like Gene Simmons in a variety of films. If he were to be in Ghost Rider, though, it would have made sense for him to have made that movie in the late 1980's or early 1990's (based off of his age, and also because it makes sense in canon with a spate of other late 1980's/early 90's superhero films, such as the first Batman or the Flash movie). Also, maybe Gene Simmons could keep his Jewish name? I looked him up on Wikipedia and his Hebrew name actually sounds pretty cool.

KingSweden 00:39, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

Ghost Rider/Other Movies
I made a page for what a "good" Ghost Rider would have looked like (I really don't like Nicolas Cage, no offense). I'm also thinking of not making Jake McCoy (the Indiana Jones cognate) English, and making Tom Selleck the actor who plays McCoy instead of Pierce Brosnan. Also, somebody suggested that Han Solo be played by Kurt Russell instead of Chevy Chase... your thoughts?

KingSweden 00:54, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

Nova Roma
Hey Yankovic, (can I call you Yank?) I noticed your Nova Roma article and I'm glad more people are taking part in this Atlantic Islands timeline. Anyway, I was wondering where you would like to have your nation of Nova Roma? Originally Alex and I decided on the nations above but I guess if more people want to contribute there will have to be a lot of changes. Anyway, if you like you can save the image and colour the island you wish to have your nation in (unless it's historic.) Thanks! ChrisL123 01:32, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow, that's a really good idea actually. Once Alex comes back on the wikia I think we can all discuss nation borders on the talk page, I have a feeling a lot of things are going to change. Happy editing! ChrisL123 02:11, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Multiple Edits
I noticed whenever you make edits on Principia Moderni it's always in groups of 5-7. I don't know whether it's for a badge or you're just too busy, but I ask you to cut it out. I can't always be checking every single edit, and it looks very suspicious. If possible type your turn in a word document or note file and when you're done, copy-paste it in. Thanks! <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 03:36, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

My New Map Game
Hey,

I just started the Imperialist America (Map Game), and I would like some players to help me out and to start it, tell your friends, I tink itll be interesting. DeanSims 15:52, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Hetalia (New Union)
That sounds about right. But I haven't written anything about Belorussia or anything on there yet. That was all another users doing. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 15:57, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

Principia Modern
I would like that, could I still control the Inca's too? DeanSims 14:00, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Apocolypse (Map Game)
Can I be the official Map Maker for this game, I took over te Confederacy, since no one ad signed there name by it and I am also up to date on the game so far, is that alright though, I would like to be a Mod and a Mapmaker, or at least the Map Maker. DeanSims 23:21, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Hawai'i
To answer your question, Hawai'i is an independent kingdom. I adjusted Sanford Dole to fit within the specs you described, I think it was a good suggestion.

KingSweden 03:04, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

19th Century
James Brothers instead of Lehman Brothers. Love it.

KingSweden 05:36, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

Novels
I'm gonna finally get around to start working on some of those Napoleon's World novels I've always wanted to do. I was wondering if you had any suggestions what time period/events would make for the most interesting setting?

I had a few ideas, but I wanted to hear from you first.

KingSweden 00:08, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Springer/Mencia
There's some dark, morbid irony in that Springer idea. I like it.

Idk about Mencia. If he died in 2001 (like the intro to him suggests in the Alt Dest page), then he would have been 33 or 34 when he passed (I assume via assassination). As stereotyped as this sound, wouldn't he make a better Centroamerican drug lord assassinated by the U.S. (like Pablo Escobar?). Instead of Colombia or Mexico being the center of the Latin American drug trade, maybe Centroamerica is that place in the late 1990's and early 2000's?

KingSweden 02:51, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Whoops. Didn't see you changed it to make him still alive.

KingSweden 02:52, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Drug lord for sure.

KingSweden 03:38, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

F*** YES. Love it. Nice.

And yeah, I hated that show.

KingSweden 05:10, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Estonia and the ADC
Don't know if you noticed, but looks like the ADC is expanding very soon. Karelia is on record as having applied just after joining the Nordic Union, and Estonia joined it at the same time, so along those same lines, would Estonia apply too? Reasons for it would be just as good as Karelia. Your thoughts? Lordganon 06:04, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Lordganon 19:39, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Well, Estonia would just be applying. The community at large will probably be voting on approval. I've no problem with Courland and Lithuania doing it too, but given the alliance that exists between them already, and them joining the Nordic Union so recently, them applying right now just doesn't make much sense to me. Lordganon 21:08, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Putting Lincoln up for review
Just a quick note, Yank. I hate to do this to your article, but I am going to put it up for review. You see, I am working to make sense out of what might have happened in northern Missouri. Their first contact would have been with nearby Lincoln. Therefore, I was reviewing the article, noting that you have Lincoln claiming Sioux City, Iowa. It snuck in simply in "other cities" in the info box. That inclusion, it seems, was enough for Maine-iac to write that part of Iowa was under the control of Lincoln, which led Mitro to include the same in the gateway article for Iowa. Two things there, first and foremost, Sioux City was destroyed and would not be worth the bother of reclaiming even if Lincoln had the resources. Second, on what grounds would a supposedly peaceful isolationist community cross the Missouri River to invade southwest Iowa in the first place?

Also, Bellevue would probably have been a lost cause being a suburb or Omaha. Norfolk, Nebraska, though in the 'claimed' northeast corner, probably should not be listed among the "other cities" either. However, if it helps the Lincolnite cause, I suppose there is no harm done. Generally, what will be need is a little more thought into how the repbublic came to control the towns along the Platte River, and from that, claim the rest of the state. As I have written before, I personally think that controlling all the land South of the Platte gives the Republic a more logical claim on that part of the state. I'd think, though, that the USA would need a little bit of the land along the border with Colorado to connect physically with Kansas.

I appreciate the work you did in discussing with Zack about the border with South Dakota (we will get that article written some day!), but if you move the "claimed" area in the north to the southwest, the republic has a more logical and more easily defended boundary. I am sure that the state of Colorado would come to control the east slopes to expand its present meager boundaries if it had to.

I thank you for your time on this, and will wait a little bit before putting it up for review just in case you want to clear things up now instead of going through review. SouthWriter 16:09, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

China Needs Help! (Principia Moderni)
China has recently been invaded and is in dire need of assistance. Hanthawaddy has invaded the southern portion and Russia decided to jump on the bandwagon and invade western China. They have attacked unprovoked and I wish for help so China can reclaim its territory and maybe push into the invading countries.

China is the main provider of silk and rice to Europe, along with many spices, gold, and other items key to European luxury and even integrity. Should China fall, Europe, and perhaps even the entire Old World, will be in a state of economic disaster.

China and Vietnam have an alliance. I would really like your help by invading Hanthawaddy to distract them so I can take back my territory. You can keep any land in Hanthawaddy that you conquor.

Should you help China, you will be rewarded with extremely powerful naval ships, gold, silk, and other treasures. In addition, China has already pledged to stop the invasion of Inca. CrimsonAssassin 21:26, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Mon-Vietnam Border Treaty
Here's my map of the treaty. It isn't updating for some reason, so it isn't accurate completely, but it is roughy the same.

Message sent from Emperor Pimpisara II to Emperor of Vietnam:

I am regretful that our two former allies have come into a conflict, and I see it fit that we restore relations as quickly and easily as possible. Hanthawaddy has gained control over most Siamese and Lao territories in the region, but I wish to discuss a way to return these to Vietnamese rule. Hanthawaddy wishes to cede all areas shown in green to Vietnam, while maintaining control over those shown in red. Simply, Hanthawaddy wishes to gain full control over Singburi, a small parcel of land inhabited by Burmans in the north, and to the south, the Mon homeland on the Isthmus of Kra. Otherwise, all territory will be relinquished to Vietnam.

Hanthawaddy will provide:
 * 1) Free trade and travel through the newly gained territories.
 * 2) Renewed alliance.
 * 3) Allowing Vietnam to have a say in the newly-gained territory.

However, I ask:
 * 1) Vietnam allow Mons to settle anywhere on the Malay Peninsula.
 * 2) Vietnam shall not invade any of the new territories.
 * 3) A small yearly shipment of weapons, gold, and spices to show that the promise will be kept. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk)  19:58, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Arakan Federation
I'd be delighted to help. I just never got a reply to the map above so I figured you'd dropped the project. Also, I'd like a basic idea of what you are planning to do in Burma. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 18:36, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Hanthawaddian-Vietnamese War Aftermath
Chill dude, that was Collie, not me. I fixed the map. The only out-of-character reason I attacked China was to loosen up the borders, break up the gigantic power bloc in the area, and make the game more realistic so it isn't just a few countries slowly growing and then deciding to colonize, because that is not how history works I'm afraid. In character, Pimpisara II wanted to gain more power in East Asia. Before the war, Hanthawaddy's power and economy kinda concentrated itself in OTL Bangladesh, but an invasion of China would connect Hanthawaddy with the Mon and Burman people in China. I was hoping this war would be easily forgiven like the European wars of the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries, with rapidly changing alliances and stuff. If no one invades anyone, people are just going to keep getting more powerful. That's how history works, and that's how map games work. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 18:41, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Film Studios
Yeah, that all sounds good. Idk what kind of "rebranding" the Mexican studios require, since so far the only note on Mexican film is the animated studio (I'm assuming Villa Studios would be based out of Peliculosa in Guadalajara, like most Mexican films are).

KingSweden 01:13, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Roman Empire Survives
Well, I'm a touch busy and with a big "to-do" list, but I'd be very willing to at least advise on such a thing.

After Constantine, the Western Empire is pretty much toast. There's no real way the West on its own can support a real military, unless it uses mercenaries like otl. And, I'm guessing you know how that turned out. After the split, there is no hope of survival until nearly the bitter end from otl.

There were three main remnants of the west in 476 - parts of Northern France, parts of North Africa, and Italy/Dalmatia.

North Africa survived until the Byzantines came, and joined them, being conquered by the Arabs around 700 AD. By most accounts, the Arabs barely used any forces to do this - simply have a commander with some brains and they should be able to fight them off and survive in some form, becoming independent of Byzantine rule in the process.

Northern France had its remnant survive until 486, when they lost a battle against the Franks. Here is a possibility - the Roman remnant was unified, but the Franks were not. Have Clovis of the Franks fail to convince a few of his sub-kings to come with him, and he'll lose the battle. Or, since the Romans fought a battle where Clovis told them, just have them have the sense to fight elsewhere.

And, Italy. Probably the best spot here is to have Julius Nepos, the last recognized Emperor, either have the sense to not take Orestes as his military commander, preventing that overthrow, or have him survive assassination in his Dalmatian territories in 480, and go from there to retake Italy like he was trying to do when he was assassinated otl. Barbarians would likely end up forcing him to Southern Italy and/or Sicily in the end, but it would work.

Lordganon 04:08, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

There are several things that led to the decline of the Roman Empire. In my opinion, this is the main one: The economy of the empire was based almost entirely on conquest. The more land they took, the more slaves and loot they brought into the empire. In order for the conquest they needed soldiers. The way citizenship worked, citizens had more rights than non-citizens, and one way to get citizenship was to join the army. This meant there was a constant supply of bright recruits for the army who dreamed of a better life for themselves and their families, resulting in better soldiers and commanders. The army also paid decent, but again the money for this was a result of conquest. Eventually less conquest resulted in less loot and economic decline. Eventually all residents of the empire were granted citizenship, so you had less loot to go into paying the army, and less incentive for top recruits to join, so eventually the army became nothing but ill equipped barbarians that were no match for outside threats.

So in my opinion if you want the west to continue to exist as an empire, what it needs most is economic reform, and to keep its citizenship system. Without economic reform the army would collapse because there would be no way to pay them. Without the citizenship system you don't have the incentive for top recruits to join the army.

Thats just opinion though, but economic decline and degradation of the army were the main reasons the empire fell as far as I know. So if you can come up with PODs to maintain the army and boost the economy that would be a good start.

I had the empire survive to modern day in my 2nd Punic Victory timeline, and that was mostly a result of Carthage winning the 2nd Punic War, forcing Rome to compete with an actual rival instead of steamrolling over barbarians.Oerwinde 07:56, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

No clue on an author. As I said, I'll give advice and maybe scribble up a few articles for you, but that would be it.

Well, the North African remnants referred to themselves as "Roman-Moors" or similar terms. Wikipedia lists it as the "Domain of Moor" - Domain being Kingdom/Duchy, more or less. The remnant, however, consisted at most otl of parts of the Moroccan/Algerian coastline and some of the Atlas Mountains. Settled by pretty much just by Romans, Moors, and Berbers. Mostly Berbers.

With Byzantine resources added, they will likely be able to stop the Arabs somewhere in Tunisia, far from the Sinai, but the losses overall being enough to regain independence from the Byzantines. Works even better - and this is the likely PoD - that the rulers of Altava, rather than resist the Byzantines, ally with them, keeping their throne. Then you have them around to be the basis of resistance to the Arabs a hundred years later.

You're right about more Christians in North Africa, mind - the northwest stays Christian, and the areas south of there will have Christian caravans spreading religion instead of Muslim ones like in otl (think of the butterflies in Spain! o.o).

The French Remnant was called the "Domain of Soissons." Clovis being defeated would really not mean the Gauls could take much land. The Frankish Kingdom was what amounted to a Confederation, with a lot of sub-kings, all of whom would resist. But, there they would dominate all of France, with the Franks getting otl Western Germany.

"Domain of Moor" or "Kingdom of Altava" would be likely names for the North Africa remnant. They will be hard-pressed to keep out the Arabs, let alone regain land east of Tunisia. Might manage some in the Crusades, but that would be about it. Question of numbers, I'm afraid.

Lordganon 08:35, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Appealing as it may be, the population east of Libya is just too high, and always has been, to make that really feasible. Though, the rest of North Africa would be,

Actually, the Franks were in Germany otl - they are actually Germanic, as were the tribes under their banner. If you look at a map, when the Romans in Gaul were conquered they controlled parts of Northeastern France, the Southeastern Netherlands, Central Germany, and Belgium.

The name being attached to "France" is pure coincidence. "Germany" comes from the Roman name for the area, "Germania," which was attached to the region after the split of the Empire. Basically, the people in Germany will stay the same, though the name has a good chance of being "Frankland," "France," or some other form instead of Germany. Germany would still be possible, of course.

Gaul would remain called that. Most of otl Northern France, over time, would be likely. Brittany seems to have been a quasi-ally of theirs, would would likely remain as such. Past that, expansion into southwest France would be very doable. Southeastern France, however, is Burgundian controlled, which is a different nut to crack altogether. Call it maybe 2/3rds of France they would manage to get, slightly more if they marry Brittany into their rule.

A good name for the timeline would have something to do with "Gaul." Maybe "Gaulic Rome?"

Butterflies..... Well, off--hand, the Franks will expand east, into otl Poland. Charlemagne would not be recognized as the Emperor by the Byzantines or the Pope, the Gaulic ruler would be, and that would be happening more or less after the battle goes their way. Italy will probably be more whole overall, with the Pope being a very good option. The Byzantines won't waste effort in Italy, but will likely act the same in Sicily, and North Africa. They will last longer, likely managing to defeat the Muslims and confine them to Arabia, or at least out of Anatolia - simply put, Justinian won't blow the entire treasury and all the manpower in Italy like otl. Heck, Belisarius would not have been in the doghouse over Italy and may very well seriously rolled up Persia, or elsewhere, after North Africa, too.

About the only person I can think of that has a good Rome timeline is Red VS Blue. Medieval, not a clue. But, I should note here too that this would be neither.

Lordganon 18:27, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it would be much more related. Probably, it would resemble the Alsatian language and Lorraine Franconian found in the Lorraine area otl, which are a sort of cross between the French and German languages. Frankland would work as a name.

Paris was really a fairly minor town until the Franks made it their capital for a few decades in the 6th Century. The Roman remnant had its capital at Soissons, an ancient town 60 miles northeast of modern Paris, and it would likely stay the capital. Either way, Paris is unlikely. Belguim, at least in part, would be added too.

The oldest settlements in the area of Berlin date back to the late 1100s. It likely wouldn't be founded at all here. Plus, the name is Slavic in origin. Aachen, the capital of Charlemagne, other ancient Rhineland cities such as Trier, or other old cities lie Regensburg, would all work well. Somewhere in the Rhineland would be best. Belgium and the Netherlands would also be in this kingdom, though Austria I have to doubt would be.

"Germany" would probably not have Wilna as the capital. Otl, it wasn't founded until the 1200s, according to most scholars. You're going to want to include what is now northwestern Russia too, if Finland is included. Probably, it would be better off without it, especially given the likelihood of the Norse getting Finland anyways. Northern Poland, outside of Frankland, would be included too. but, overall, you're going to get to name, etc. everything here as you desire. If it helps, virtually all the otl settlement names in the area originates from names the Germans attached to places, so it'd work out like otl. Could not find a single place that predates that the PoD as a settlement, either. The earliest reference I can find is for the town of Grobiņa, which has had several cemeteries dating back to sometime between 650 and 800 AD uncovered over the years. A Norse colony, an early one, by what they've found, but it would exist, I think, atl too.

Gothica sounds good, though the name could likely use work. Same for Austria, and most of the rest.

Angland would probably end up under the Norse in some fashion. Barring that, given the setup of how the Normans came to be, there's actually a decent chance of a similar event occurring. The Norse here would still manage more or less the same feats as atl.

Much as I like the idea of a Celtic Kingdom, I have to doubt it would be feasible overall. Just too many factions, and too low a population. A unified "Angland" would most likely conquer them. An Irish Celtic Kingdom would be better. Maybe have the Norse take Scotland entirely? Given otl, it wouldn't be too far-fetched, especially with more resistance on the mainland atl.

Add what is now northern Afghanistan, northwestern China, and probably what is now the areas of Russia near Kazakhstan as well to Turkey. They've long held a majority of "Turkic" populations too.

Good ideas, Yank.

Lordganon 09:36, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

You make it, and I'll see what I can do.

Have to disagree on Italy, however. It may be more interesting, but.... it's not that realistic. In order for them to manage such a thing, they'd have to overextend themselves, which given the setup we discussed previously, is like inviting the Franks to take them over. At the very least, they can't manage it for a long time - just not militarily a good idea, if you follow my logic.

In my opinion, it is far more likely that they, and the Byzantines, would aid the Pope and his Italian allies in securing the peninsula - think of it as a neutral state between them, if that helps. If you think about it, their presence in Gaul alone would probably mean that Justinian has no desire to go to Italy. As I said before, the Byzantines would likely recognize Syagrius and his descendants as the Western Roman Emperors too. That alone would keep them out of Italy except to support the Syagrius line in straightening out the problems there.

Lordganon 01:01, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

World War II Ideas
To me, it goes a touch far - while given those things happening, Poland would survive much longer, this seems to take the concept even further than I suspect is plausible. Things such as no German Civil War after the assassination, and the like - all just too good to be true. Good read, though. Lordganon 05:50, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps the biggest thing is with the Soviets. This pretty well assumes that the entire country was full of idiots, which obviously is not the case. The author also seems to consider the West to be rather.... slow, too. Reads kind of like a Poland "wank" to me, to be honest.

Overall, it really is operating on a ton of assumptions. The PoD - one or two of them, all of them together seems unrealistic - alone would be a good thing to take, and then to run from there.

Lordganon 08:32, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

I meant "slow" as in stupid, or the like.

No, I'm not mistaken. I am well aware of all of those things.

"Inexperienced." The very concept means that after a fair amount of fighting, they would gain experience. Yet, that author ignores that notion entirely. And, as I said, assumes the entire army was full of idiots. The purges did not get all the bright ones - and they would have taken some sort of command eventually. But there's no indication of that ever occurring.

The author has the West still standing by, even with Poland holding out. I am well aware that they did nothing otl, but here they have 6-12 months, minimum, of extra time. They would have had even their own citizens telling them to do something by that point.

I'm well aware of the Japanese thing. That's why I didn't say one outright. Though, it won't make much difference at all.

I'm also aware of the anti-tank rocket part being based in all of that. However, it only works in the atl because the Poles manage to keep it hidden from everyone. On the scale, both as described and in the amount needed to actually make an impact, that is impossible. I realize that it may be possible that the things are discounted, but it also assumes that the German military - and, indeed, most militaries - is full of idiots.

Lordganon 17:07, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I think I can help a bit, Yank. You know I'm always willing to help. Lordganon 17:45, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

Gallic Rome
And, how do you want the Franks to lose the battle? Not actually going to the picked battlefield at the time chosen, be it earlier or later, fighting it somewhere else, or Clovis not being able to convince one of the sub-kings to come to battle? (Ragnachar is the one I'd use, because I can place him at the battle for sure) Lordganon 01:26, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Wasn't thinking of killing him anyways - all that would manage is to make the Franks unify much, much, later. The defeat would make it so that he's too weak to go west, so he has to go east after the sub-kings and other tribes instead.

Will simply have them show up a few days late, then. Early is helpful, but... not too much. Later, and catch them as they are leaving..... a rout. May actually help the Franks in the long run, since at least a few sub-kings would die, but weaken them overall, no question. Going to have Ragnachar die too, unless you object ^^

Lordganon 01:56, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

One of the sub-kings killed by Clovis a few years after the battle here. Fought at the battle, and lived, he later turned traitor on Clovis, and was a pagan among Christians. There's an article on wikipedia about him. Didn't do much of anything historically, either, except die. Lordganon 03:50, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Riel's Canada
Hey, Yank, being a collaborative member with Tbguy1992, I was wondering if I may adopt your timeline, Riel's Canada? Just let me know on my talk page whenever you read this, and if there's any discrepancies between the two of you we can discuss it on the talk page. ChrisL123 19:45, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

American Spring
Hi, Yank. Just a short note about an idea I had. I know that you don't like the idea of the new United States rising to power, but maybe your politicians in Virginia (and maybe even in Lincoln) might add a twist into the whole American Spring debate by filing charges against George Bush and the defunct APA. In turn, the CRUSA (lead by JFK, Jr.) could file counter charges against Campbell. Both charges could be based on 'war-crimes' and treasonous actions in the wake of the nuclear attacks.

It's just an idea, and it would spice up the theme of the rising influence of the new USA. I'd have the government stay out of the Virginian claims, but perhaps file claims against the Lincoln government (not sure there, but the 'take over' by the mayor of the city leaves some room for debate). Let me know what you think. I'll write the JFK part and you can have fun with the other. SouthWriter 17:11, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Eastwood/Chaney
I really like the Eastwood idea. He could have been Van Helsing in several films (sort of like Dirty Harry) and directed horror films later, and won an Oscar for it (instead of winning an Oscar for Unforgiven, specifically).

As for Chaney... isn't it easier for him to just never have gotten lung cancer in the first place...?

KingSweden 23:54, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

I made a page on your ODESSA-like idea (called ORPLEX for "Organisation pour les Loyalists Exiles") and I'll get to work on the Van Helsing stuff pronto.

KingSweden 00:33, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Haha! Nice. That's probably a good idea, make the Van Helsing movies a spinoff series. A note on those regulations - I think I was aiming for them to only be regulations in California, since the Governor of California (Redford) was able to deregulate in 1972.

What you could also do is have that original (probably '67 or '68) Dracula movie be produced in Mexico, like you were talking about, sort of like a Spaghetti western...? Then have an American studio hop on the gravy train in '72 by making a spinoff series of Van Helsing with American actors but the recognizable Eastwood as the lead. The 1968 (or whenever) Mexican Dracula could have been a smash success in America that launched his career?

KingSweden 01:20, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah that sounds pretty good. Umm well I don't know who from the late 1960's would make a good Dracula. Christopher Lee probably wouldn't want to "commercialize" with a role like that.

KingSweden 02:23, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not super partial, whoever you think is best. I'll defer my judgment to you.

KingSweden 04:16, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

World War II Timeline Ideas
Allied Japan:

Given the situation in both Japan and the USA, an alliance being formed at opening is pretty-well impossible. Even ignoring that, the butterflies would be..... massive.

However, you could manage the alliance another way. The Japanese High Command was faced with a choice in 1941: attacking north, or south. What they chose is pretty obvious. But, if you can get the Soviets into the Axis camp 100% somehow, American pressures may change and then direct their intentions somewhat differently than in otl. There's a couple times, with delayed/canceled operations when that could have happened otl.

With that context, Japan aligning with the Brits and Americans in some form would make sense. Of course, American involvement would likely be slightly delayed, but..... probably not by much, to be honest.

Vichy France Survives:

Pretty much impossible. They were too aligned with the Nazis. Spain was neutral, though barely, so they survived - Vichy, was not. From day one, I'm afraid, despite how the Americans though of them.

Ignoring that, the Nazis would have seized them anyways. Even if not when they did otl, at the very least at D-day they would have. Past that, the locals would have killed it on their own. Nor would the Allies have let it survive - the French were part of that, after all.

Lordganon 19:47, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I wouldn't overstate the Japanese, there. The Soviet forces there were, and without a war in the west, would likely remain, their best. Numbers, supplies, etc. means that Japanese troops will win eventually, but.... may be a touch surprising.

Vlad~ would eventually be overrun, true, but it'd take a siege. You're right about the islands, mind.

Manchuria surviving is unlikely, unless the Japanese prop it up, and even then..... Had no real popular support, I'm afraid. Reunion with China probably would remain unlikely, but.... idk. Rock and hard place, really. As for the rest, the RoC probably wouldn't do it. Plus, Japan would have to at least make efforts to remove themselves from China, too. Question of troops, and supplies, and American backing.

Definite that they would get stamped out. But definitely not fleeing to Taiwan. Question of where they are based, etc. Got me as to where they could flee, but their bases with near Mongolia. Given the war and that fact, I doubt that anyone would flee ala Taiwan otl.

Lordganon 21:15, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Joseon
It's because Joseon's name was still Joseon int he 1600s, and I just like the name. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 20:10, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

DeviantArt
LlwynogFox.and yes.thanks--Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:48, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

New Map Game
Hey, Yank. Seeing how plausibly you play on Principia Moderni, I was wondering if you wanted to moderate a game I made set in 200 AD (We need a classical map game). It is called Cras ut Superstes. It's got a new system of stability that I was hoping to try out. I can't wait to see it played.

CrimsonAssassin 01:32, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

War of the Hanthawaddy Succession
Okay I am not fully sure who is going to win the war, but who ever does will have the throne of Hanthawaddy. I'm not making any promises, and I will go solely by the algorithm. So sometime next year (1650), preferably during the summer, because the emperor will be in Pegu rather than hard-to-attack Viharapura, with Jayadeva's forces. Binnya Rada will retaliate with his massive mercenary-army. Although I suggest you go through the algorithm and make sure you have every possible advantage, as I think Hanthawaddy has a slight advantage, taking a guess. Also, I dunno what to do if you win hugely, because you can't really take Pegu, and if you do Hanthawaddy will be a weird pseudo-Indian state. Personally I'm ready to reject the Warerus to Tibet but I want the war to be a good one. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 01:27, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

We'll see. It doesn't really matter to me. Whatever the algorithm says. I'm wanting to shed off excess territory anyway as a model for other players, and if it means losing Pegu, it's no problem. I can always gain it back if I wanted to. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 04:49, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Romanovs
Her survival is unlikely - I think that there is one, and only one person, who was alive in 1917 that was a member of the Russian royals or nobility still lving as of the early 1990s. Her living until 1991, let alone the present, is pretty well impossible. Add to that the fact that its nearly impossible for her or another member of the royal family to get away.

She would have been a carrier of hemophilia - most of the female descendants of Queen Victoria have been. It is dormant in females, but it's almost impossible for it not to be there overall.

A line going through a cousin, or one of the Czar's siblings would be more likely. If they are resident in Alaska, and hold power there, they can easily gain it back - well, one of their children, but I digress - and given things would be much more likely to flee with the colony existing too.

Lordganon 05:31, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Wallachia
Err.... I guess you haven't really looked at much about the region, have you?

Transylvania, in fact, controls far more territory than it occupies. I realize now that the article itself is not very clear on that matter - I hope that the small edit I did just now helps in that regard - and expanding the article and giving it a real history is something on my list of things to do. It is something greatly elaborated on elsewhere, I assure you.

Transylvania, in fact, is in control over all of Moldavia, Romania, and parts of the former Ukraine. Basically, all the claimed areas on the map outside of the Serbian claims. Various degrees of contamination to the soils to the east - the same storms that contaminated much of the Crimea and parts of the Northern Caucasus are the cause - prevent extensive settlement or the like, and the area is dotted with military posts. A WWF project in the area, to investigate further, is going to start on October 7th.

As such, your proposal is..... impossible. Note, too, that most of this is not my work.

Lordganon 04:35, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

I repeat: This is laid out in other articles. And, too, the word "claims" does not mean that they have no power there. The article has long said, as well, that they had forces in the area. Nor does it say "uncontrolled" anywhere. The otl part is a miss on my part when I last updated the infobox to match what the article already said.

If you had read any other articles in the area, you'd have known about it, Yank. There is, if memory serves, around a dozen that say this. Note, again, that the majority of this is not my work, originally.

That proposal is impossible. Simple.

Lordganon 05:13, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Meeting
Sure, I can do a meeting. The only days I cannot is Mondays, due to an evening class. However, any other day of the week will most likely work. Tbguy1992 15:49, September 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello? Are you still up to meeting, or not? Tbguy1992 03:36, September 17, 2011 (UTC)

Eee.... a little problem with that: My last class on Friday doesn't start until 4, and won't be over until 5:15, and put on a half hour bus ride... I don't think we can do it. :( Tbguy1992 04:06, September 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, I didn't mean Friday, I meant Tuesday... no idea where that came from. But, my last class on TUESDAY starts at 4 PM, and there would be no way for me to go to my classes, then get to St. Vital before 6 at the latest. I don't think we can actually meet for the rest of the school year due to my schedule, as I'm not going to skip class to go. Sorry. Tbguy1992 22:05, September 17, 2011 (UTC)

Help with FTBW?
Out of curiosity, I was wondering if you would be able to help me flesh out French Trafalgar, British Waterloo a bit. Now that I do have time (though not able to meet you, unfortunately), I should be able to throw together a lot more of the story and such. I'm just wondering if you would like to help especially with the Alternate Destinies (French Trafalgar, British Waterloo) page, like you had been doing with Napoleon's World. If you can, please message me back!

Thank you Tbguy1992 19:21, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

Principia Moderni (Possible Vietmanese Expansion Offer)
<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Dear Vietanm. We have been watching the rapid Russian expansion and are incredibily concerned. We send an offer to join arms in the period between 1673 to 1682 where we will reveal ourselves. We are a current ally of yours as well. Vietnam has the chance to gain huge advantages in land. We are also approaching the nations of China (who may require aid if Hanthawaddy gets involved) and Joseon who will seize quite a piece of land from Russia too. You may gain a sizeable chunk of Russia too as a colony. In Europe we have approached Naples, Sweden and Venice to help if Hungary, France or Anglo-Germany appear in this conflict. Respond on your own talk page if you are interested. I will check it every day.

Japan
Well, I didn't know about it- anyways, it really doesn't matter which order. Anyways, I will annex it eventually. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 23:35, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Moravia (1983: Doomsday)
Not a bad idea, overall.

But, you do have a problem: That's either got to move northwards, or shrink. Bohemia needs to shrink back down too.

The Alpines have since the 1980s controlled a security zone virtually around their entire borders, of at least 50 km. Czechoslovakia is included. There's no way a nation right against their borders is possible.

And, I'm sure that there's more than three strikes.

Lordganon 03:46, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Well, looking at the map, it's going to have to shrink a bit, I think, as it moves. Not 100% sure, but I figure it will be likely.

About 2/3rds of the territory for Bohemia will likely work out.

I'll see what I can cook up for you. Should have something later this afternoon.

First contact for Moravia, btw, would likely come through Poland.

Lordganon 13:37, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

No, you won't be. That article is Oer's. Not only that, but you are heavily violating the adoption policy by doing that. Lordganon 14:33, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Doesn't matter whether or not you think you need to finish it, or when it was updated last. The fact still remains. Unless you get permission, you will do nothing to it. Lordganon 14:56, October 6, 2011 (UTC)



As promised, here's a map. Blue is Bohemia - about double the original map size, and 2/3rds of yours or so - and Green is Moravia. I've also added more strikes. Was a really large number of them in the north o.o

A Silesian state is probably out, I'm afraid.

Looking at things, the original Bohemia size would actually work the best, but I did do it bigger as requested.

Added strikes: Milovice, Mlada Boleslav, Vysoke Myto, Bruntal, Ostrava, Liberec, Pisek, Pribram, Hradec Kralove, and some damage from a hit on Trencin in Slovakia, a couple clicks from the border. A couple of these are major cities, but the rest are all large bases.

Blansko is still inside the Moravian state. However, the city of Olomouc is too, and would be a better capital (funny - not a hit in 1983, but a massive target today, that one) It is also a historical capital of the Province of Moravia, and the location of the Catholic diocese - and late, archdiocese - for Moravia since the 11th Century. The rest of the cities you have listed on Moravia are not in this one.

Lordganon 08:36, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

Rest assured, I've already taken care of that. There are that many bases from that era in the Czech Republic. Basically, almost their entire military was in this area, and the same goes for an entire Soviet Army. Lordganon 02:25, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, their army for the most part would have been based on remnants. But, the Slovaks would stay - think about it: they have nowhere to go for about a decade. By that point, they are established with families. Why would they leave? Some might, but almost all of them wouldn't.

There's really no way to tell overall with their lists. By the time they get revealed, we'll all be dead or too old to notice. As always, we have to make our own guesses. Really though, given the size of the lists, all would have been on them at some point. It's just a question of how far down, you know? Add to that the nukes on the opponent's nuclear bases, EMP, military forces, and targeting/arming issues, there's no telling how many of them got off and made it to hit. For all we know, the first five hundred targets could have been hit, and then another group a couple hundred down the list of that side going too. Never know.

Lordganon 03:52, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

I'll look into it tonight. Lordganon 04:22, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

All right, here goes....

"The military of the Moravian Republic primarily consists of the remnants of Czechoslovakian and Soviet forces in the former Czech half of the Czechoslovakian state, in addition to those recruited into its ranks since that time. In part, these remnants are from the Soviet 48th Motor Rifle Division headquartered at Vysoké Mýto, and Soviet 31st Tank Division headquartered at Bruntál, both of which were hit by nuclear weapons. The majority, however, come from the Czechoslovak 22nd Airborne Infantry Regiment based at Prostějov, which was lucky enough to escape nuclear destruction, though many still died from the chaos and the fallout.

Primarily, they are an infantry force, armed with surviving weaponry from the 22nd Regiment, and other weapons manufactured or imported since. A few surviving tanks and personnel carriers from the Soviet Divisions are in use as well. No intact planes, however, are in their possession, all having been heavily damaged at Doomsday.

They are currently looking at repairing the planes to some degree, and upgrade their equipment somewhat, if they can afford it."

How's that sound?

Lordganon 07:24, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Star Trek
I like your ideas for Christopher Pike and Chekov, and somewhat with Kirk, but I'd suggest a slightly different twist - make Kirk a protege of Pike's on the Enterprise who is brash and arrogant and who eventually goes rogue against his mentor and father-figure, setting him up as a spiteful, dangerous opponent throughout the series (and in the sequel to the 2009 film, in which Trekkies would excitedly see how they weave in Kirk "turning" against Pike, and could have been a movie focusing more on the nuances of Kirk, who could be a complex character). I have Shatner as James Bond during the 1960's, so a diff actor would probably be preferred.

KingSweden 05:25, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

Your allies ask for Aid!
Sweden has invaded your ally Anglo-Germany, and another ally of yours, Russia, has leaped in to defend them. Meanwhile, the ally of Vietnam Naples has decided to help fight off this hostile expansion in Europe. Venice once again interferes in affairs that it should not, as it declares war upon the powers seeking to liberate the Baltic from the oppressive Swedes. Will Vietnam (and its vassal Nippon) come to the aid of its allies, Russia and Naples? Naples begs for aid! LurkerLordB 22:49, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Dracula
I took a look at Chris Lee's Wikipedia entry, and it looks like the first Dracula movie came out in 1958, at which time John Carradine (1906-1988) would have been in his early fifties. Since the last one didn't come out until the early 1970's (at which time there would have been considerable advances in prosthetics and makeup), I think that the problem essentially solves itself.

KingSweden 05:18, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

There You Are
There you are. I had to take a day to find you. Anyways, I'm playing as Persia and you are Vietnam. LukerLordB told me about you had problems with Perisa. What are they?

RandomWriterGuy 22:20, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

Once Again
By the third time, i am trying to say that Hungary offers support to Vietnam on its war against Ireland in trade for the Irish colony in OTL Newfoundland.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 19:06, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Fractured America (Map Game)
I would like to invite you to join my new map game. There are still plenty of nations left and plenty of Africa left to colonize well as parts of Asia.

I hope you will consider joining,

thanks, DeanSims 15:22, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Areas
What areas does the Empire of New Albion cover? :D Imperium Guy 20:10, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that (hopefully the map will be up and running soon!!) :D Imperium Guy 22:21, November 2, 2011 (UTC)