Board Thread:Timeline Discussions/@comment-217.111.76.245-20140508135646/@comment-3428312-20160301001411

132.208.139.153 wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bagration At the time of the D-day, Operation Bagration in the East had been two weeks in motion. Any advantage for the Germans from beating the allies at Normandy would not make it in time to the Eastern Front to change the result of this operation, which ended with the liberation of Belarus, the complete destruction of Army Group Center and the encirclement of the whole Army Group North in the Baltic. This sealed the outcome of the war to a Soviet Victory.

The US and Great Britain would have not abandoned the war after a defeat in Normandy, not at all. The are just two possible outcomes to this scenario: the Soviet Union wins the war, seizing control of the whole continental Europe (except Norway and Sweden, maybe Italy) without stopping at the Pyrenees, invading Spain; the US and Great Britain eventually disembarc in France as the Germans have to move more and more divisions to the East, resulting in another Cold War with more countries controlled by the soviets, which control the whole Germany, Austria, the Benelux and Greece.

There has been a lot of effort during the Cold War to make the public think the US won the WWII and defeated the Nazis by themselves. They didn't, and neither did the Soviet Union. But the contribution to victory was by far leaded by the Soviet Union, and since the Nazi defeat at Stalingrad, it was inevitable that the Soviets were going to send to Wehrmacht back to Germany, sooner or later.

Anon, you didn't even read your own link. Bagration started on June 22nd, over two weeks after Overlord occurred. You'd also be wise to pay attention to the fact that the majority of the Wehrmacht's reserve in armor and mechanized divisions were deployed to France to face the then expected assault. A failed D-Day means the Heer will have ample breathing space to transfer the forces East, and thus stall the Soviet advance. There's also plenty of things the onsite forces could do in this ATL to counter Bagration, such as abandoning Vitebsk and establishing a new line along the Berezina. And no, AGN was not encircled until October of 1944, it was only Hitler that allowed the Courland situation to form.