Talk:Battle for Earth Strikes Back! (Map Game)

Is octivian allowed t be the Jaledom of the Universe? Seems a little unfair Local (talk) 22:15, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

I don't see why not. A name is different from a fact.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 22:18, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Notice
Something came up and I'll be away from my home computer. I'll upload the maps when I return home on Thursday. Until then, why don't we start the game before it loses momentum? CrimsonAssassin- "You can't handle this egg roll"

Nah, I think we need to settle down a bit. I think Wednesday would be good.

Also, not to offend anyone or turn anyone away, but I feel like we have too many alien nations. Maybe some of them could unite?

04:14, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

As long as seniority gets priority. If they're not in the timeline or one of the previous games, they get bumped to the bottom of the list. CourageousLife (talk) 04:19, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

I agree. Most specifically, I believe that Crim, Lx, MP, you, Pita, and I should maintain the top as the longest standing and most frequent and dedicated player of each incarnation of the game.

04:25, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Some people didn't ick a human nation. CrimsonAssassin- "You can't handle this egg roll" 13:26, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

If possible, could we see a weakening of the mod alien nations? They have been rediculously overpowered in each and every game, controlling 80% of the galaxy at one point, and wiping out entire nations on a whim. No one could challenge them, and that ultimately saw many players, myself included, leave the game. Also, I would like to see new mods aside from the ones that have managed the other games instated. Scraw, Pita, and the others are nice, but they kind of kill the game with their superwars and in-game threats.


 * Regenetech Empire: You can't beat us!
 * Random alien nation: Yes we can.
 * Regenetech Empire: *sends giant freakin' death saucers*
 * Game Over

Mod attacks. Every freakin' time. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 14:24, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, let's settle this out.

Scraw - Not counting the mod nations, we actually seem to have the same number as we usually do. It should be fine.

Crimson - Yes, they should choose a human nation if they have an alien nation.

Viva - That's kinda the point of mod nations. If one other space nation could destroy a mod nation, then that would ruin the police of the game. The mods are supposed to play out like this:

The Dravimosian, Azaranian, and Regentech empires are counterbalanced by the Mechs and the Firstborn. There are more mod controlled nations on the side of the Mechs/Firstborn then on the grand alliance. While it is counterbalanced like this, I do agree the mods need to turn it down a little.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 14:38, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

They need to turn it down a lot. There is no point to mod nations, and that sounds more like an excuse, as if there were valid mod nations, they'd be in every game we've played or have yet to play. We don't need an invincible force to police the game, since that only needs to be OOC action (henceforth mod-events). Furthermore, no space nation can fight a mod nation since it is widely acknowledge that such an action is impossible. The idea that the mod nations and destroy non-mod nations without a fight is where the real issue lays. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 14:46, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

There is a point to mod nations, first of all, and second of all, for the most part, all the previous mod nations have been in every game that we have had. We (or at least myself) have ever said that fighting a mod nation was impossible, all you need is some support to back you up. If this is the case, mod nations should take years or decades to defeat minor nations because of the difficulties of planetary sieges. I know that will be the case of my nation, at least.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 15:02, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

What if moderators and nations were separate entities. Instead of having really overpowered nations, just have people judge from the sidelines, regardless of their in-game nation. Mscoree (talk) 20:39, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

We really shouldn't have mod nations. Too many people are willing to whine about mods ganging up on them or being overpowered. CrimsonAssassin- "You can't handle this egg roll" 17:53, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Well have mod nations but make it possible for them to be beaten by other nations. Instead of the situation USA vs Liberia, have it be more like the UK vs Brasil (random example there). Obiously, the UK will probably win, but Brasil has the outside chance. The Anonymous Guns:

It is possible for other nations to beat mod nations, all you need is another mod nation or many minor nations. What we need to understand is that scenarios like U.S. vs. Liberia, using guns' analogy, are possible and do happen.

This is a tradition that first occured since the first game with the concept of "ancient nations" that have an advantage in bonuses. Ever since then, we had a basic system of alliances to hold each other in check. Further, now that we have a mod that is not in control of a mod nation, we can see it from a minor nation's point of view if we are unfair.

I hope this eased any concerns, but let me know.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 00:18, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Monster Pumpkin. Also as an unofficial rule moderators should try to avoid attacking smaller nations and being overly jingoistic for no reason. Mscoree (talk) 18:07, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

Alien Nation Page Help Needed!
Hey guys, I'm really sorry to ask this but can someone create me just a basic template for my alien nation that will on require information to be entered in?

I'm not lazy, it's just that my browsers (I've tried Explorer, Chrome, and Mozilla) won't allow me to edit anything anymore, and I've had to edit from the iPad I'm using now. And even from the iPad, I cannot create new articles. So again, can someone please create just a very basic template for my alien nation? All it needs really is the page created with an info box please and thank you. EiplecOco (talk) 19:12, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

I've made the page here. Mscoree (talk) 18:10, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a ton mate!!! EiplecOco (talk) 20:07, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

No problem. Happy to help. Mscoree (talk) 03:21, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Also, is it alright if my alien civilization is boron-based and therefore more crystalline in makeup than soft flesh. They are more diplomatic based than open warfare due to a slower metabolism brought on by their entire existence on their very cold worlds. They breath a combination of Ammonia and Chlorine, the chlroine being natural and rare, but the Ammonia is newer, and existent in another form rather than salts due to underground volcanic activity. Their planet reaches its cold temperature by being the same distance as Earth is from its sun, to their own sun, but the Veridian sun is a white dwarf. Is this allowed? EiplecOco (talk) 05:01, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Well, umm, I'm not a biology student or anything like that, but I do study physics, and boron, despite its proximity to carbon, is actually different in many way, and probably wouldn't be able to support life. Carbon, silicon, even germanium, yes. Think columns, not rows.

Oh haha, then I'll change it to some other basis. I wanted to go different than Carbon and even Silicone based life to make my race very different from anyone else's. I would use Germanium now, but it's even rarer than Boron, so I'll break out my periodic table haha. EiplecOco (talk) 02:52, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

Wait, I have links to Boron-based life! http://arcana.wikidot.com/boron-based-life; http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/B/boron-based_life.html; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothetical_types_of_biochemistry; http://scienceforums.com/topic/11059-non-carbon-based-life/

Sith Empire
I think the name should be outlawed. Unless it's the same as the Old Republic, in which case the whole thing should be banished.

04:54, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Start date
When?

Whenever Crimson gets the maps up. He said tomorrow would be when, but it's whenever the maps are up.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 02:38, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

Right, umm... I have feeling like those maps need to be up soon, or this game dies before it starts.

On that, we agree. Monster Pumpkin (talk) 02:05, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Agreed, I don't want to see this game keal over and die like the other ones. Aternix (talk) 02:19, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

We may need to just do a quick map and start the game, then substitute Crimsons when he gets it. EiplecOco (talk) 18:46, June 26, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, so I've made a map, and here it is:



We can use that and start the game? EiplecOco (talk) 18:36, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

The one thing I dislike abot this map is that the Azarath do not own any major star clusters by the looks of this map...oh right, an purple does not seem to fit well in this map...I need to tilt my screen back to see any purple writing...other than that fine map we can use for now-Lx (leave me a message) 18:45, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Crimson uploaded a map here. Perhaps we should use this one. Mscoree (talk) 20:47, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

@Lx

Worry ye not, the size of the galaxy is so huge that every single pinprick of light you see is actually a huge grouping of stars.

Probably.

@Mscoree

Doesn't have any nations.

Let's just use this one, please?

Alright then. Mscoree (talk) 17:47, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, can we start on Tuesday? Because I won't have internet access for the next three days....

I'm afraid that if we start any time before July 28, I'll have a problem posting, and might not be able to play. CourageousLife (talk) 18:40, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

I know my nation is going to be a minor nation, but I have about two star systems and a load of empty space (Praetorians) The majority of my territory is empty void between spiral arms Local (talk)

Guys, again, the galaxy is gigantic. You wouldn't be able to see individual stars, only bright nebulas and star clusters.

Still what with Crim not being here, and Cour unable to post, why don't we just put this in cryo for a month? Same thing we did with BFE relo?

Again, the Promethean Empire is a major nation in Orion Arm terms but to most its a minor power. The Promethean Empire is type II on the Kardashev Scale and if you think its a halo ripoff, these arent the same Prometheans, they are ones I had created for a fictional universe of my own, which I plan to use in the Galaxy at War map game.

Shadow 9 and the Sith
SInce one of these is a fictional human 'nation' and the other is a Star Wars ripoff, should either be allowed?

FOR THE LAST TIME SHADOW 9 IS NOT A NATION!!!!! ITS A SECRETIVE ORGANIZATION FUNDED BY THE US GOVERNMENT AND FOUNDED 10 YEARS BEFORE THE GAME BEGAN!!!!!!!Capt.stark1972 (talk) 17:27, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to be the buzzkill here, but since the first is not a nation, it does not count and is not allowed. Such an organization can be set up as the game progresses, however.

The second one, I don't know how to react to. We only know its name, nothing else.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 20:01, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

From what I understand, Shadow 9 is part of the US Governement, and orgonization run by the US, like the CIA or NSA. If he wants to dedicate an entire paragraph in his US post to Shadow 9 I see no problem with it, as it is part of his nation. If Shadow 9 is a sort of Alien fighting thing or whatever, and it was founded in response to the roswell insident, it could be a plausible, and the governement might have set it up to examine the wreckage of whatever crashed at roswell, that is the only real explination I can come up with for its existance, and that being said, I would not think it would have much power or autority...at all...especialy if they found nothing...and the US might of kept them running as a precaution but severely underfunded as nothing was found, since aliens do exist in this universe, and only if anybody wants to claim roswell as them, because, seeing alien craft crashing on their soil, no governement will just do nothing, other than that, there is no reason for nonexistant orgonizations to be founded before the game.

tl;dr If any alien nation claims Roswell Incident, then fine, it makes sense that it is founded because no governement would just do nothing while aliens crash on their territory, oh right, and it can't be Capt.Stark1972's alien nation because that would be basicaly cheating, and trying to justify the existance of an otherwise implausible orgonization, other than that, it can't exist.-Lx (leave me a message) 21:26, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

Capt. Stark isn't Shadow 9 then, if Shadow 9 is part of the USA's post, and don't you have to be a nation, not an Organizatio run by another nation... Local (talk)

He is the Prometheans on Future Map Game, and he WILL try to enslave humanity, and say that he has a massive invasion fleet on earth, or something Local (talk)

I'll assume the title of acting head mod and outlaw Shadow 9, since I am the US player.

21:44, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

How old is a nation allowed to be? Local (talk)

I don't remember exactly. I'd say 20 billion for a non-mod nation max.

22:21, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

You mean million? 20 Billion is older than the Universe Local (talk)

Not if you believe Azaranian mythology, which dicates that we are actualy in the third "encoding" or "stage" of the universe, and that stage is 14 billion years old, and the first and second encodings could have lasted for trillions of years. :P That aside, since Capt. Stark is not the US, he has no juristiction on what it can do, the orgonizations it can craete, and so on. That is the role of the US Player, and he can only do that if allowed to...which Scraw, as the US player, said can't happen. So I stand by the outlawing/deletion of Shadow 9.-Lx (leave me a message) 22:32, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

And Capt Stark, just because you can play as a human nation, it does not mean that you need to, for example, I am the Azaranians, however, I never realy got into dual-playing human and alien nations, as one keeps getting neglected, the human one more often than not.-Lx (leave me a message) 22:35, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

OK, I made my page, does it need the 'Battle for Earth' Category, or just 'Battle for Earth: Prime'? Local (talk)

About the age, I think the max should be about six million for mod nations and less than that for others, but the mods can correct me on that based on past history. I plan on avoiding the age of my nation for as long as possible.

No Shadow 9 unless Scraw creates it later on.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 22:52, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

My bad, I meant million in my last post. Derp.

23:09, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

NOT COOL BRO!!!! Shadow 9 is apparently funded by the United States Government but it doesnt operate within the US government's authority. Plus you have no right to block me of my right to access to nation states. Now I want to say a little something behind Shadow 9. Shadow 9 was founded in 1947 in light of the events on Roswell like the guy that posted the one after my post said and it was founded in secrecy, though funded by the United States Government. It operates independently of any national entity. Nobody, not even NATO or the UN knows of tis existance. To them and the public we dont exist. We were never even born. We are Shadow 9. Earth's last line of defense against alien attacks. Originally I planned it to be X-COM but after I read the rules about no stealing shit from games I changed the name to Shadow 9. For now Shadow 9 is inactive because only the CIA knows of its existance and also cuz its underfunded like that guy that posted the earlier thing said. Soooo technically we operate independently now. Also it has Area 51 as its HQ and at least has an orbital station in Titan preparing a small space fleet using what little funding they have. This space fleet is composed mainly of small ships such as corvettes or fighter craft. The base in Titan is hidden under the clouds soo its located in the atmosphere.Capt.stark1972 (talk) 02:11, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

And Local, the Prometheans are violent by nature. More violent than even the humans combined. Dont blame me, blame nature, it made them this way.Capt.stark1972 (talk) 02:11, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Several problems with this: I am looking forward to the Prometheans, though.
 * 1) The U.S. government would never fund any organization operating on home soil outside its jurisdiction.
 * 2) Shadow 9 is an organization, not a nation. Only nations can be played. There is no player for the U.N. or the K.G.B.
 * 3) Mods have every right to do whatever they want within reason. This is within reason and sanctioned by three mods.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 02:40, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Second strike. Add S9 again and be blocked from the game.

02:56, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Jesus Christ, what is with all the nations being played. Can you at least add organizations too cuz they need at least someone to administer them and besides. I already made the S9 page sooo TOOO LATE!!!!!!Capt.stark1972 (talk) 03:09, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Page is the last strike. You may not play in this game.

03:10, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Calm the heck down. Let's figure this out.

Scraw, let's see how he reacts to my message. If he remains defiant, then fine. If not, then we continue.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 03:12, July 6, 2013 (UTC)