User talk:Imperium Guy

Just to tell everyone, I am 86.153.249.120, 81.131.124.48. I decided to create a user name for meself. --Imperium Guy 20:30, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Talk Archive 1

Talk Archive 2

Map Game Wiki
I've been thinking about this idea for a long time.

Basically, it would have four advantages:

A) Map Games would not be restricted to althistory.

B) The reputation of this wiki wouldn't be so downgraded by them a-holes on AH.com.

C) It would have the effect of less clutter on this wiki.

D) It could have rules specifically designed for Map Games, including rules about defunct ones, etc.

What do you think?

A suggestion as to rules:

A) there would be a hierarchy, similar to the one on this wiki (called the Grand Council of Cartography, or something like that.)

B) Only these members would be allowed to mod on map games. This makes awkward runaway implausogasm situations or biased mod problems less likely.

C) There would be stricter rules about edit wars and the like. This wiki primarily devotes itself to althistory, so there is practically no solid rules on map games. This wiki would have them.

D) To get into the mod group, you would have to be part of the initial group of users (probably all from althist, people like you, me, scraw, etc), or have used the wiki for at least 6 months. This would be the lowest level, with the same 3 levels thing. For those 6 months, you would have to prove that you are plausible, polite, respecting of the rules, etc.

E) There would be a centralized algorithm, with lots of variations for different scenarios. This eliminates the @#$% idiotic algorithms that you see in some of the worse map games on this wiki.

Haven't gotten much further than that, any suggestions would be welcome!

By the way... time to archive, methinks.

The Royal Guns (talk) 23:42, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Alliance
Sure- Korea would be honored to have an alliance with Hindustan. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 21:09, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Alright- overview of World War II. It started when Yugoslavia invaded Greece, France and others declared support for Greece, Germany supports Yugoslavia, etc. WWII ends with Allies and USSR steamrolling Germany, India is independent, Japan, Korea, Manchuria, Indochina, and Indonesia form the East Asian Trade and Security Pact. There is also the United Nations. The current big issue is the Turkish invasion of Greece and Persia. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 21:18, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

if its up to me welcome to the E.A.T.S.P.

Well, I have agreed with Kogasa on a trade deal and alliance as we are to two most similar nations in terms of rich in culture, island-based and nava powers. I will be sending an expedition to India soon (five or so years from now) which will arrive in Chennai and then sail on to Siam and Japan. I guess an alliance with India can't hurt since the Caliphate is there as well... (Lets boot them out together! The made me lose my second algorithm ever D:) Scandinator (talk) 05:37, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Uh... Hindustan's naval tech isn't as good as the Europeans... If you got there then the Portugese would be the first to find your ships. Scandinator (talk) 15:09, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Hey the wars over! Just wait a few years while I sort through the Venetian Civil War and I'll be knocking on your door. Scandinator (talk) 15:22, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Arabian Failure Mapgame
i don't know if you are interest but would you like to join this map game i've made Arabian Failure (Map Game) Sine dei gloriem (talk) 04:10, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Alliance
I'm with you on that. With the additional nation working with the Europeans, we'll be able to destroy the Caliphate instead. That superstate is too powerful to continue on in PMII. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 19:16, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

I'll talk to the Zulu and see what I can do. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 19:39, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

The War (PMII)
Well, I would like to help but, the Sengoku Era is bound to start in 1525 and as such, the Ashikaga Shogunate will fall into a war of clans, which means that I have to focus on reunifying Japan.

I'm sorry, but I really won't be able to help out. -Kogasa 2012年11月16日 05:47:57 (JST)

So if you all had the decency to wait a while, you'd notice that the Caliphate will be collapsing in forty years tops and you will be able to gain a lot of power. I do not get why are you so obsessed with destroying the Caliphate when in forty years the chaos ensuing the destruction will be far larger.

Also, if you decide to go through this shortsighted plan, then, since you tried to get Japan in I imgaine that we can get all of our provinces and colonies in as well. ~Fed

I would suggest waiting for the Caliphate to fall. What you should be focusing on is Bengal. Bengal is in league with Brandenburg to destroy you. I felt it fair to warn you, take out Bengal before the Germans march on Hindustan. By the way, my country(Scandinavia) has made contact with your nation already and we'd like to open relations.AP (talk) 18:19, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Difference Engine
Yeah, here's a few - You got any objections or ideas? Also, timeline or map game? - FP 20:23, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) World would be at odds much quicker, so maybe an earlier war?
 * 2) Spying would advance rapidly.
 * 3) Science would advance rapidly.
 * 4) Mathematics would advance rapidly.
 * 5) Weaponry would advance rapidly.
 * 6) In short a lot would advance rapidly.

Russia and the Caliphate
Saw your post on Lx's talkpage, thought I might as well respond as the other member of the Federation.

While we'd love to help, Russia can't get involved; we have a Nonaggression pact with them. War with them proved too costly.

That said... Russia might be convinced to help. If you can present a case to us that you guys losing would directly screw with us, the NA pact is null, and we can help.

But frankly, they're due to collapse soon. The only reason I would help would be to save Ethiopia. They're not going to attack you- unless in a preemptive strike if war is inevitable. They attack you, HRE and Ethiopia get a perfect opportunity to strike them in the back, then Russia sees the war spreading to the Black sea and in order to protect it's own interests attacks the Caliphate... They can't handle that, they're not going to. JUst let them collapse, then seize India. The Royal Guns (talk) 00:02, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

HMM... Novgorod, but that works...

Still, NA pact. Which, following the 11 year Great Holy War, is a good idea. 11 years of massive warfare, and absolutely nothing happens. In fact, two of the world's superpowers lose to the third.

That said, I am actively trying to piss them off, at which point they will threaten to break the pact, at which point we launch an all fronts attack...

Never mind, that's not happening for another 10 years. THE 20 YEAR PLAN MUST BE COMPLETED! (THe 20 year plan being the plan to conquer all of Siberia and central Asia not controlled by them bastards, AKA the Caliphate.) The Royal Guns (talk) 00:44, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. Well, tell you what. Instead of Going eastward, starting 1525, I will invade South ward. Muscovian Prescence so close to India- effectively surrounding them- will scare them a bit, and they won't send anything more than military aid, or so the honourable member's thinking goes. If all goes well, Bengal will be toppled, and will either become Hindu, or be annexed. Preferably the former; I dislike the wiping out of players, it's mean. Unless you really want to, or have to.

And, if worst comes to worst, I'll get the HRE to make some threatening noises.

But for the best results, attack as they attack Ethiopia; they won't be able to sustain 2 such wars at once.

Especially not with all of Europe sharpening knioves right behind them.

Actually, come to think of it, that would be perfect. A three way war to rip them apart.

The Royal Guns (talk) 00:54, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, f**k. Scraw really does have an alliance with Bengal. This is NOT good. Brandenburg is one of our closest allies. Hopefully, I can talk him out of it, but I really can't risk pissing off Brandenburg- we need them and Bavaria, they're our influence in the HRE.

I'll accept the alliance. And talk firmly to Scraw. But this could be bad.

The Royal Guns (talk) 00:54, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Turns out Scraw thought you were part of the Caliphate. He's in, so's Viva, and I've contacted Andr. We've got the HRE, India, Ethiopia, and Russia will probably end up interveneing, Lx will probably agree. The Royal Guns (talk) 02:07, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

I agree to intervening but we must keep to the anti-agressoin agreement as much as possible...untill the mahdi because book of revelations false prophet Blah blah blah trumps non-agression agreement. but I just realized that ethepoia might work to because they are orthodox nation, and that could men the caliphate wants to supress orthodoxy and therefore that makes any agreements null and void...that might work...but be careful about it, I dont want to be known as a guy you cant make nonagression agreements with. also, try to make the caliphate break the pact with russia or at least hint that they are going to so that we have good grounds to break it off and attack because tehy are planning to first.-Lx (leave me a message) 02:56, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Um, and we are not attacking you yet, we are only attacking Muslim nations to unite them, and when we do attack non-Islam it will last like eleven years and you can most likely take over the Indian Caliphate states after that time. Fed (talk) 02:53, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Bub, you know I was never frakking allied with Bengal right? I only offered to ivade you with him cause I thought you was on the Caliphate side. Hell, he never even replied. Get your facts straight, you gun jumping preemptive ImperiumGuy! LLAP. Out. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 03:00, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

No problemo. Live Long and Prosper. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 20:01, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Again, no problem. I'm feeling very powerful now. I'm up and ready to flex my European Imperialist Muscles. Go Team Germany! (and Team Russia and Team India!) Interesting fact: You, Guns, and I are all of Indian descent. So really, we're all Team India. (Well, to be specific, I'm Team West Bengal. What about you?) Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 21:22, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Lol, it's ok. Keep all of Bengal. On the side, I think Guns might be Team Kolkatta or Team Chennai. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 03:12, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

I've an idea. German merchants will come and hear of the war and bring the message home and we'll send supplies later. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 20:32, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

Or, another idea. I have three fleets stationed in the Phillippines. They can be sent to aid Hindustan, although they will fight on land, as three fleets vs. parts of the Caliphate Navy is suicide. All I ask for in return (if we win) is the Bengal Phillippines. SCraw

Team Pune/Chennai, actually.

I'm thinking 1526- get ready. The Royal Guns (talk) 23:07, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

Never mind.

Hmm. 1 more war like this, and the Caliphate will be adding Hindustan to their list of Provinces.

In case they do, they'll probably allow you to stay on as one of the DME people, so don't worry.

They won't win next time though! Muscovy is invading through those damn Khanates to the South, som next time, we'll send you Military aid, and that's another 26 points or somesuch.

In fact, if we don't renew that NA pact... The Royal Guns (talk) 19:41, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Ahh, you aren't that fucked off. You get annexed, just revolt in eh, 80 years (which is, of course, just 80 days IRL), you don't, you just try and survive for that time.

The Royal Guns (talk) 22:33, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

...For the next ten years, at which point them bastards will just attack you again. And then you will be screwed. The Royal Guns (talk) 22:41, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Willco... to both. The Royal Guns (talk) 22:58, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Okay Imp, Hindustan has been divided and you are now in charge of the Bengali vassal state of Dravida, whose ruling Prince will be subordinate to the Sultan of Bengal and the Caliph. You can continue to play as this vassal state but if you do you must promise to follow our lead and not rebel away until the Mahdi has been proven to be a fraud (I'll message you again when that has happened). If you do rebel away, then I'll destroy your nation by war, force you to go play as another country and never trust you again.

Alternatively, you can go and pick a new nation to rule and Tipakay will rule Dravida as if it was any other vassal state he controls. So what shall it be? VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 16:42, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Wow. #EXCESSIVELYHARSH The Royal Guns (talk) 20:45, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Are you still palying? The Royal Guns (talk) 21:11, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

Strike
Sometime in the new year, Imp. Not a good time of year to start anything.

On another note, you need to archive this page again, lol.

Lordganon (talk) 10:42, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Half of that didn't really make sense given the form of government. Most of the rest just didn't make sense. Lordganon (talk) 10:48, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Organic farming as we know it would not exist. And, quite frankly, wouldn't be well-known, in any form, anyways. Besides that, to most of the world, "organic farming" is just regular plain, old, ordinary, farming.

Hmmmm.... What are your thoughts about such an attack on their part?

Also, you need to archive this page, lol

Lordganon (talk) 07:16, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

A rapid advance into that one tiny state west of Bangladesh wouldn't even last two days, let alone a week.

Not only is it not China that borders the region any longer - Tibet, remember - but it's the Himalayas. More or less impassible except by air. Not that Tibet would allow either. Any such movement is out.

Any forces in Arunanchal Pradesh would, realistically, be small in number. Hard to supply them there.

Not an area, by and large, that is good for armored warfare. Only in the southernmost areas of the region would it be of all that much use. And the UIP doesn't have all that many of them, anyways.

I expect that the UIP would want some sort of "excuse" to have before they did anything, as well.

Lordganon (talk) 08:59, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

The Tibetans could do something about it - they do have quite a bit of military equipment left from the Chinese, and have newer stuff from Siberia. Heck, in some ways they're better armed than the UIP. And, even more importantly, Tibet is on very good terms with Siberia - the UIP would do nothing to risk that supply line.

They won't have the tanks to make concentrating them worthwhile at all. Better to use them supporting infantry, if anything. But, the terrain in question, for the most part, renders them largely useless. The only area they'd be of use would be the initial waves against Kamptapur. Really, though, their armor will stay in lines near Pakistan, and the southern remnants.

No one would buy the bombing. Not even Siberia or the ANZC would, to say the least of the SAC reaction.

Hmmmm.... I'm thinking that one of the planes crashes while flying between the UIP sections. Not shot down, mind. When UIP forces move in to retrieve the wreckage, and try to get the pilot, whose status is largely irrelevant - dead, alive, little difference. Thinking that they are being invaded, the state - Bodoland is most likely - militia, without orders from above, goes after the recovery team. From there, we have war.

On another note, Tula Nada, in the south, would be targeted too. Call it convenient.

Lordganon (talk) 07:29, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

The southern states are going to neither risk their aid, or their own forces, for such a tiny state. If you think about it, all Tula Nada would be to them is a resource sink, at best - not strong enough to delay the UIP or anything like that. No point in trying to help.

Lordganon (talk) 11:10, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm.... Well, looking into India's weather, I don't think an attack now would be good. Storms, temperatures, etc. Would definitely hinder things.

Looking at records, and what I can find (in general) on climate in northeastern India, I think that early April would be when any attack would start. The climate should be as neutral as possible, then.

Have to be done by monsoon season, of course, but if launched in early April, they should have at least a month or so to finish.

Lordganon (talk) 08:05, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

The UIP has - maybe - only a single carrier. Imp, they don't have the ability to build them, even today otl. For simplicity's sake, we'll say that they still have the one. They do, however, have the ability to maintain it.

I really have to doubt that the Soviets can really do another deal, right now. Their resources are a bit stretched, Imp, as it is.

Something about construction in Bombay would probably be ok.

Lordganon (talk) 10:50, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Bhutan is pretty impassable, imo. Mountains, galore. And their airspace would be of little to no use - the path over the "rebel" states is faster. Also wouldn't matter, strategically. Lordganon (talk) 11:23, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Too much, I think, Imp. And not consistent, either - you only have two states expanding, yet there is more states that could. Lordganon (talk) 05:31, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, they all would do so to some degree. Lordganon (talk) 10:32, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Just Saying...
Just saying, but it looks like you really have something against Muslims in India. In all map games and TLs, I see you bringing or trying to bring the Hindus into dominance over the Muslims and Sikhs and stuff. You do realize that even though the Hindus were there first, if it wasn't for the Brits, the Muslims would still dominate the continent?

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 20:07, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Check your archives. ;) Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 20:19, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Not really. Think about it, the only truly fully muslim rulers of India were the Mughals and the Delhi Sultanate. After each of them fell, the empires that arose in their wake were Hindu. If Babur hadn't arrived during the Lodi dynasty, it's probable that Vijaynagara or somesuch Hindu nation would have taken India.

The Royal Guns (talk) 01:17, January 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ahem, check this then. ;) [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imp (Say Hi?!) 00:14, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Re: I was wondering...
For the record, I have absolutely nothing against PNG files (or JPEGs and GIFs for that matter). My main problem is with with duplicate files on this site. Since Vector files (SVG) are the standard used on Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons (flag wise at least), I consider the many PNG, JPEG, and GIF files as duplicates.

So in that regard, yes. I would have a problem with you uploading a PNG file of the British flag (regardless of its quality), because there is already a file here that can be used. Also for the record, Vector files aren't pixelated, meaning that even a 1px SVG file can be re-sized to 2000px and it would not have any distortion (thought I don't know why anyone would want a 2000px picture on a page).

However, if you so happened to upload a distinct flag for one of your timelines (say the British flag that is purple), and you so happen to choose PNG as your preferred format, then I have absolutely no problem with it. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 01:54, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Atlantropa
Hi Imp! It's funny you mention Atlantropa actually, because I was going to make that an important premise in the new alternate history blog series thing I was planning on. Have you heard of Crimson Skies? Combine that with sea level rise, and set it in a Nazi-dominated Europe, and you're halfway to the premise... I will make sure I contact you when I get the first part of it uploaded to my blog!

As for AKITE and Arrival, I'm sorry that I've posted so little. My excuse? A-levels! Joy of joys... Feel free to do what you like with Arrival, though, because I doubt I'll be doing much on this wiki anymore except checking back on stuff from time to time. As for AKITE... yeah, I decided that in order to make that a realistic timeline, it would require a phenomenal amount of research, energy and commitment that I currently lack. Plus it would probably end up completed on AH.com anyway, where it wouldn't get drowned amidst a sea of map games and, more importantly, get a wider audience! You might wanna consider checking out the site, I prefer the environment there somewhat. And yeah, you're right, I guess things just haven't been the same since Mitro left, and I suppose in retrospect and with some maturity I can see that LG has raised some valid points, but I'm just generally divorced from this wiki now.

Nonetheless, stay in contact matey!

Feg (talk) 22:06, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Indian Coalition
Ahh, well, TN was really yours and LG's. I didn't do anything except kindle the fire.

Well, it could start out between TN and AP, then perhaps after another show of UIP aggression, Rama joins too.

Perhaps after the UIP annexations they go for a show of strength and attack (without any real force) Rama, just to scare them. Mission accomplished, but rather than getting them to accede, they join the IC?

The Royal Guns (talk) 17:33, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Well, yes, true, but I think that unless Pakistan gets involved the UIP can still pull it off. SAC is dropping large amounts of aid ANYWAY, due to the attacks. SS will replace it.

Perhaps it's a regiment on the border. Hearing rumors about the assaults in the rest of India, they expect to attack Raya any day, even though it's not happening. Small border conflag turns into a full out battle before UIP top brass pulls their troops back. Scares the  stuffing out of Raya, who panic and go to the IC.

Let's ask LG.

The Royal Guns (talk) 18:00, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Pre-history is empty. Good apart from that. The Royal Guns (talk) 19:41, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Owzat?


 * (sotto voce) Not out, I'm afraid.*

The Royal Guns (talk) 19:49, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

The AP page... the page. How is that?

The Royal Guns (talk) 19:59, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Course it is. Hey, I removed the citations. The Royal Guns (talk) 20:05, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

ok, how do you do the edit count for the algorithm on Axis vs Allies, it is essential to me finishing it and where have you been?! we missed you on the map games! (DeanSims: Talk) 21:24, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

oh. i feel dumb now. thanks for  telling me and finishing my algorithm, I realy do apreciate it. And Im doing good, we had exams last week and passed all my classes. New semester started and I got stuck with a bunch of little 10th graders. Im in 11th grade and there driving me insane. Aparantly the school mixed up my grades and put me in a class I passed last year. But its basicaly and easy A class though, so free credits. How have you been? (DeanSims: Talk) 21:36, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Wait, so is Scotland still threatening secession? Also what grade are you in, because im in highschool and it sounds like your either in highschool or college. Also Im hoping to you can work on your timelines again,t here realy cool and i love the maps for the red sun timeline your working on, it looks like the Seapole map from Planetocopia. pretty cool. (DeanSims: Talk) 21:50, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

you cant be younger than me! your timelines and posts in map games are great! I dont see a problem honestly if the Scots, Welsh, English and North Irish just form a sort of confederation, same united military but basic regional rule is the important one. (DeanSims: Talk) 22:14, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

well you live there, so youd have a better idea at what Britain needs. And I still dont beleive your younger, you make me look pathetic comapred to your timelines! Im more of a constiutionalist, so i want the US federal government to get rid of all the power it took from the states, basicaly the system of 1850's concerning state-federal government power ratio. Right now the feds are getting way to powerful trying to take our Bill of Rights away. (DeanSims: Talk) 22:22, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

I dont neccesarily mean a confederation, but I want the power to be heald equaly as it shows in the US Constitution which in the 10th Amendmant gives all powers not given to the federal government or denied to the states to the states. This meant in the 1700's that the states could manage there own affairs, and that they were equal with the federal government. (DeanSims: Talk) 22:29, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Secession is legal, the original 13 states did it with Britain. But in the Civil War the South had become dominated by the north and west and was being hurt badly by northern legislation, taxes, tarrifs, etc. Almost exactly the same cause as the American Revolution/American War of Independance. The US constitution didnt deny the right of secession or grant it. The secession question was quieted by northern arms, but it was never actauly answered. (DeanSims: Talk) 22:38, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

how is that dangerous? (DeanSims: Talk) 22:48, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

if the states could threaten it, then the government would most likely support the poeples wishes. (DeanSims: Talk) 23:01, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

TNT
Hey, just wondering if the Ori wanted to be pre-existing allies with the Ie'o in TNT CourageousLife (talk) 00:03, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

MOOHAHAHA! THE EVIL, DESTRUCTIVE CENTRI REPUBLIC THAT DID NOT EXIST IN THE LAST GAME HAS (TECHNICALLY NOT) RETURNED! And we offer your nation friendship, in TNT.

Technically not because since it wasn't evil or destructive in the last game.

Probably won't be in this game either.

But it sounds good.

So....

Yes or no?

It might be evil and destructive.

It might not.

You never know.

I wouldn't take that risk.

The Royal Guns (talk) 00:57, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Hey imp, could you please add roman/ottoman kameroon and madagascar colonies to the map, there lcations are on the map I posted two turns ago. thanks (DeanSims: Talk) 22:21, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch Imp! (DeanSims: Talk) 22:43, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Imp, the Ori nation is too large in BFE TNT.

                "Fear the power    of the Dark Side of the Force."  23:41, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

South Africa Map
Imp, they aren't going to expand with the district borders. Lordganon (talk) 06:11, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

More Africans arriving is unlikely. And Watersboerland has a military to boot.

OFS would still expand.

Imp, half of the increases you have are to the lines on the map. It's just not happening.

Lordganon (talk) 22:34, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

You're overstating the OFS expansion. And both Waterboersland and the Azanian League are going to expand in more than one direction.

But much better overall.

The OFS would not have such access.

Imp, the white South Africans are largely Boer/Afrikaans, depending on who you ask. While they are descended from Dutch colonists, they are most decidedly not Dutch. They hold no attachments to the Netherlands, and wouldn't even begin to entertain such an idea. That ignores, of course, the fact that the former Netherlands is pretty much gone, in all meanings of the word. The surviving Dutch in Friesland and westernmost North Germany wouldn't go near such a regime, either.

Lordganon (talk) 09:07, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Numbers of "white people" in KwaZulu are entirely irrelevant. And, for the record, there are almost none there - and what numbers there are, are in the city of Durban almost entirely.

...You missed my point entirely, Imp. There are other areas to expand into - you merely have others expanding into them, when the League would get there first. Same thing for Waterboersland, which you still haven't done the expansion at all accurately.

Lordganon (talk) 09:33, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Other
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr-BYVeCv6U youve got to listen to this song its awesome, its a classic DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 19:30, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Depends.if they have done nothing, they get 3 for each sector:military, economy and infrastructure.Actually, it's on the rules.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 07:09, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

No, the development socre count only what happened in the last 15 years.If the country (NPC) hasdone nothing in the last 15 years, they will have updated each sector 5 times.then we divided the number by two and round it.in this case, to three.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 17:27, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Sure. :)

                "Fear the power    of the Dark Side of the Force."  18:39, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Looks good. Hopefully all goes well.

                "Fear the power    of the Dark Side of the Force."  20:06, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but they will be counted as a main nation colony, for all purposes, as expansion and date when you can estabilish another.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 22:06, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Chat
I'm on now, so come on as soon as possible. Willster22 (User talk:Willster22) 22:10, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Yes. Do it. B) Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 15:59, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks for the help. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 19:05, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Offensive language?
I may be a prude, Imp, but isn't OMF--G (spelled out!) a bit much? I have gotten used to WTF and OMG, knowing full well that both the profanity and the "semi-blasphemy" behind the letters involved. But when you put them together that way is "over the top"! I am asking you kindly to self-censor yourself (based on the NCNC principle), but I will not push it since I am aware that I am but one person and the language probably doesn't offend most people who read this wiki. But then, if the Independent mentions us, that might change. Just saying. SouthWriter (talk) 02:40, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

can you please join Axis vs Allies The Last Round (Map Game)? we need more players and most nations are open including Britain DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 18:50, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/98/axis-allies

ITS A BOARD GAME, he has no copy write on it he stole the name from the game, so anyone can use it. Would you like to join, yoiu can be Co Head mod DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 18:54, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

well ok, thanks Imp. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 19:00, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

its ok, im in school too, i just get lucky im in moslty lecture classes, that way i can come on here DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 19:04, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

yeah, but they all have huge exams at the end and3 of them have an essay required too, which kills me in a few weeks. Sorry to hear you cant be on too much, want to talk in chat, its way faster

DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 19:08, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

PMII India
Just so you know, I plan on taking some of those Indian lands you guys are going for. Maybe we can split it three ways?

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India in Myomi Republic TL
Do you have any idea about India for my TL? FirstStooge (talk) 15:58, February 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * That's good, that's good :] I just want ask you to give an opinion: Who would be better to become Prime Minister of India in my ATL: Subhas Chandra Bose or Jawaharlal Nehru? (sorry if my English so bad, I'm not a native speaker) FirstStooge (talk) 03:08, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Of course, because I think the Partition of India was unavoidable. If I made Bose as the Prime Minister of India, there would be a war between India and Pakistan? FirstStooge (talk) 13:52, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your advices, Imp. :D FirstStooge (talk) 14:14, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Of course, everyone is free to contribute on my timeline =) FirstStooge (talk) 14:57, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Not yet. I will do it if I feel ready enough FirstStooge (talk) 09:47, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Two random questions
Thanks The old baby (talk) 19:10, February 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) How do you set up a sandbox
 * 2) How do you get pictures, or bold words(Like Scraw or Kogasa) in your Signature

Just letting you know that I don't mean any harm to Orissa when I takeover Bengal soon. Also, aren't you the successor state to Hindustan? If so, then we have an alliance don't we?AP (talk) 19:16, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Sure we can figure out a land grant once Bengal is under my control.AP (talk) 00:23, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not going to war with Bengal. I will vassalize them, they'll be under my control by the 1630s. We can figure out a land grant once that happens. If you let me keep all of Bengal, i'll help you conquer the Indian minors. AP (talk) 00:41, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

;/
after your blog post, DeanSims created a map game. Queingng and Dean Sims both made 4 map games each in the last three days. ___________/Fill crap Here (talk) 00:49, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Go on chat, it takes a shorter amount of time, because i dont have a complete idea yet. ___________/Fill crap Here (talk) 00:57, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Chat?
Whats working now? and if it is youre idea going right, why did you put a :L ___________/Fill crap Here (talk) 11:41, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

?___________/Fill crap Here (talk) 12:31, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

YepScandinator (talk) 08:47, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

AP cannot vassalise Bengal, it is not contiguous to his main nation. He can make it into a colony though. I will support you in a war against Bengal but only if you help me against Malaya and the Maldives. Scandinator (talk) 12:17, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

I will not take sides in that war if it happens unless my entry can affect a draw. Scandinator (talk) 13:10, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

If I join one side and thus cause a draw. That will be the only reason I join. But yea, Orissa is likely to win. Scandinator (talk) 13:55, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

Rajputana, Travancore, and 10000
So, I noticed that Rajputana is a big nation way up there. What say ye we invade it together? Ye get land, I get land. If we win by enough, I want to turn my half into a colony.

On the other hand, I'm fighting Travancore right now via Mysore. As you can see the ridiculous NPC bonuses have prevented one of the world's competing superpowers from taking over a sidesteet nation. I'd like help from all or two of your nations.

Also, just a little note. I hit 10,000 edits before you! LOL.

03:10, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

I accept your deal.-Andr3w777

re: Indonesia
Absolutely. I had to look those names up on the map, so I hadn't really planned on it. Thank you for the deal, good sir. Also, while I'm here, when Indonesia is more colonized, perhaps the powers controlling the areas could make some business deals exclusive to the colonial powers in the area. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 23:21, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

I was actually wondering if you wanted to take the reins on that project. You are the one who's put most effort into it. I'll edit it from time-to-time, but I'm working on fleshing out my main timeline for now. Are you up to the task? CrimsonAssassin (talk) 23:52, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry but I am taking over Sumatra, as I want to protect my interests in the East Indies. That's probably the only OTL Indonesian island I'll take though.AP (talk) 03:19, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

I'm gunning for spices with Malacca. I seek to take control of the spice trade by taking over all of malacca's territory. However that is the only nation of the region I'm seeking to conquer. Scandinator (talk) 14:14, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

Awesome. Thanks for the info. I think I'll hold off on the invasion for a bit until I build up my colonial holdings first. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 14:46, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

Of course. Thanks for the info. And as a man who studies dictatorships as a hobby, I believe not forcing Ethiopia's beliefs on them would be the wisest thing to do. :P Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 16:03, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, so you've read. You do you think of it? :D Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 17:24, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

I have been thinking of expanding the stratocratic brotherhood, so I could add India and Pakistan into the mix. In fact I will. Also, I noticed the evil thing myself too, and I was thinking of removing that bit. However, several people who i roleplayed the nation with (against their own nations that is), stated that the Hurians were the most brutal people they had ever encountered (killing four million Brazilians just because, and using chemical weapons on hospitals and schools...not pretty). Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 18:51, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

Awesome. I'll get to work on the Indian and Pakistan stratocracies later. I just added an Afrikaner one in Botswana and Namibia a week ago. :)  Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 19:03, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

Gotcha. :P Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 19:22, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, can you come on the chat? Willster22 (User talk:Willster22) 00:34, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

The mods have ruled against your implausible takeover of the Netherlands, just letting you know so you don't post as them next turn. On a different note, I'm invading Sundabang soon, if you help the rest of Java will be yours.AP (talk) 00:22, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Seedy Situtation
Imp, I believe something seedy is going on with AP and Scraw. Have you noticed how Scandinavia (AP) appears to be conquering lands without problem, or how Brandenburg (Scraw) is establishing colonies that when done by other players is called "implausible"? I mean, AP took over the Inca Empire, the Swahili city-states, and Bengal without the natives putting up a fight or gaining a bonus to fight back. Also, note that they've refused to certain countries like Eire from developing a navy or colonies. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 14:59, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

I fear AP and Scraw are scrawing around with the rules to their advantages, but the other mods aren't listening. It appears the wiki is run by an oligarchy. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 18:13, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Excellent. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 19:09, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, I was going to complain about the mods also, but Vivaporis beat me to it. Is there any way to get a mod out of his positionஆஸ், I wear your Grandads clothes (talk) 20:25, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

And so it shall be. Copypasta time. :P Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan"

Hey, on the territories page, how do you get  the chart to put your territory info in? thanks ஆஸ், I wear your Grandads clothes (talk) 21:43, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Two things:

1: I'm going on break. I need you to repost the same thing I wrote this year for me every year. Also, could you play the UK for me in AvARb? Until I get back, that is.

2: Attempt to drill it into Viva's head that I am in no way, shape, or form a PMII mod, and tell him that Collie is the one running the game. I am sick of his frequent all-the-time accusing me of bias, especially when I am in no position to even attempt being biased.

Merci.

00:08, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

TREASON.

If it's not me who gets rif of implausibility who will? Eire creating events like that is against the rules, since he can't control another nation like that. And who says I prevented Eire from creating a navy? What Ethiopia does in general is mostly implausible(massive navy, army, economy, empire claims, etc.). He seems to have it in his head that Scraw and I are out to get him when clearly we are not and are just enforcing the rules. I'm here to enforce rules and make sure plausible things happen. Not anything else.AP (talk) 01:49, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Also, can you please stop posting as the Netherlands? That was ruled implausible by the mods, including Collie.108.214.113.122 02:04, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

It's implausible. Europeans are still ahead of the rest of the world. You vassalizing the Netherlands is like Bhutan vassalizing China. I'm just going to peacefully expand in Sumatra because they are due to fall into civil dissarray. I'll take Sumatra and you can have the rest of Java.AP (talk) 00:08, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

In that case, could you attempt to post for me? I hope you accept my apologies.

Scraw ALMIGHTY 02:46, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Imp, I have two colonies over Adelaide and Melbourne, but the mods aren't showing them stating that it would appearently by impossible for them to sustain themselves (saying something about the desert even though their in green areas). Anyway, AP says they exist, stating that I couldn't establish another colony for the next 50 years, but Colie won't show them, so they exist on paper but not in action. So where would I be able to move them to use them? Anywhere else on the map I could put them? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 18:26, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Pretty awesome seeing as how I'd have your back in a fight as well. Can't let my best ally get stomped now can I? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 18:47, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you should. He's created several colonies within a fifty year period regardless of the fact he told everyone else that they cannot have more than two within that same period. His expansionism appears to be a deciding factor for his actions. He would let anyone else invade India, but he did and ended up with Bengal. Too seedy to be plausible. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 18:55, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Imp, I'm looking for a good name for the Indian nation I was making for the Hurian Database wiki. Any ieas? Should mention it has to have Bharat in the name. :P Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:53, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Scandinavia had 1 million combined when it was divided in OTL. Many factors that i've written in have increased the population significantly, not just the colonial empire. Anyways, i will be busy in South America so i have made Sundabang fall into civil disarray for you.AP (talk) 00:21, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

Bharat
Yo, did you think of a name for that stratocratic Inda yet? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:50, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Hey! Hows it going? Do you know if FP needed anything from me? TacoCopper (talk)

Sure you can join in. I could really use the help. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 07:35, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. Feel free to aid Ethiopia to any of your future wars if you like. :) Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 16:19, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Oh. Well, thanks anyway! :) TacoCopper (talk)

Well, it depends. What do you want to write? ~Scraw 22:54, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) I just got out of supporting Eire in a war.
 * 2) I won't really win by much.

So be it.

02:10, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Sure, I'll do it. I see what happened.

16:32, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, but definitely a while after Poland. Or maybe I should shoot for Bohemia in between the Prussian Wars?

16:36, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Oh right, after Prussia. Anyways, Germany and Austria already have the same King and stuff, but Collie refuses to let me control it, unite with it, or invade it. :(

16:54, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

I haven't the foggiest.

Also, can I develop Russia for your timeline?

17:04, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Russia = OTL Soviet Union + Mongolia + Uyghuristan + Poland + Finland. Completely Tsarist, overly powerful.

17:16, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I do not want him to gain control over all of Iberia. My plan is to reach Aragon to Luxembourg via France and then Luxembourg to Germany through some little annoying states, or the Netherlands, which I will stay away from. However, then I will have a European Empire, which the mods will not allow, so I'll just have all of these seperated.

17:19, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

All sounds good. LET THE HOHENZOLLERN EMPIRE RISE FROM THE ASHES!

One more thing: I want a way to get closer to industrialization faster. I mean, an empire of ice and plantations (Scandinavia) is not something I see industrializing soon, and we are about to bring down the mighty V, leaving China for the win.

Also, I think your ideas about Russia could work.

17:48, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to invite you gentlemen to the talk page for a little chat. CourageousLife (talk) 18:18, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea how to do the first two. I tried marketing coal, but the mods said the world already has that stuff.

Also, I don't like that idea on Russia.

18:24, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Re:I've got an idea
Oh gosh, I'm sorry Imp, I've had a bit of time off from the Wiki to focus on my studies (not a fun semester with French, English, Math and Science :P). But that would actually be an interesting idea. I'd assume the Russians would indeed help the Hungarians, since their OTL alliance with Austria and Prussia wouldn't go so well (can't remember the name, might have been something like the Holy Alliance or something...). As for bringing the war to the west, I'd assume you mean bringing it to Greenland, hmm.. I suppose having the Russians and the Brits in a differing alliance could cause some clashes on the island, but other than that I doubt a lot of full-scale military operations would take place. The timeline is yours to flourish, though! ChrisL123 (talk) 23:07, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

I like it. Thanks alot for your help. You've earned it. :P Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:43, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Hindustani Raj
I saw that you needed help with your time-line.

I could help out with Japan, if you like. -Kogasa  2013年3月18日 01:46:29 (JST)

I like that idea. In fact, I was actually thinking about "finishing the mission". ;) Thanks for the advice. I'll be using it very soon. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 17:15, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe you could try to have a different clan winning? Like Oda Nobunaga could be killed somehow in one of his campaigns sometime in the early 1560s. Then later Takeda Shingen makes a pact with Tokugawa Ieyasu as usual, until Ieyasu decided to ally with his former enemy Imagawa Ujizane and Uesugi Kenshin. Takeda Shingen avoids getting an illness and dying, and manages to be there for the. Tokugawa Ieyasu could somehow die during the battle and afterwards, Takeda Shingen would go on in uniting Japan. He could also possibly ally with Toyotomi Hideyoshi as well.

Or, the Sengoku would continue as normal and Hideyoshi would attempt to invade Korea in 1592. Maybe they could become successful instead, giving a chance for Japan to rise in power and influence.

Either way, Japan could also later on, expand into Karafuto and the Chishima islands, and maybe part of the OTL Russian Far East (like Kamchatka).

What do you think? -Kogasa  2013年3月18日 02:46:17 (JST)

In that case, have Toyotomi's invasion of Korea become successful, and Korea would be turned into a vassal of Japan (for now). Therefore Japan could then become a bit expansionist, and they would expand into Karafuto, Chishima Islands, a bit of Kamchatka, and Taiwan (not all at once of course, it would take years). Japan would also compete in trade and such, and could also begin trading with the Portuguese and Dutch at first. Of course, while Japan would be willing to trade, they would not tolerate any European missionaries (similar to the Japan in A Darker Place). -Kogasa  2013年3月18日 03:32:55 (JST)

Re: Russia in HR
Greetings. Yes, it has been quite a long time since we last spoke. I hold no grudge with you, so you have nothing to worry about.

I am more than happy to help. However, I know very little about Indian history (especially pre-British history), so forgive me if I can't give you an exact path for Russia.

I assume that Europe and their colonial expansion is about the same, just with India remaining out of the colonial sphere. If that be the case, I assume that Russia would not be that different from OTL. Aside from that, not too sure what else to say (given the vagueness of your timeline at the present). The former republics of the USSR in question could be possible, though how they remain I can't say with the limited details. Karelia and Kamchatka not being part of Russia also depend on how Finland and Japan work.

My Russian America timeline is a different species all together; and could border on being ASB in some cases. With the British not having India (I assume), I doubt Russia could expand as they did in RA. At the most, probably just Alaska as in OTL (give or take). Russia's Fort Ross could maybe still exist; though it depends on who controls California, and how they react to a Russian presence. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 18:47, March 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * I see. If the US doesn't exist, than the Napoleonic Wars don't happen. If that be, Fort Ross would most likely not exist. Even with the British focused in Australia and Germany, them remaining in North America would probably mean that they would be able to push the Russians out of gaining California and the Oregon Country. I don't believe a Russian America on the scale as I have it in Russian America would be able to exist here, sorry to say.


 * However, a larger Alaska isn't completely out of the picture (if you know where to look). Despite being focused elsewhere, the British wouldn't allow Russia to claim Oregon, but they may be willing to give them more territory in the north. Russia historically claimed all territory north of the 51st parallel (more or less all the coast north of Vancouver Island). Pressure from the Americans and the British pushed them to the southernmost point of the Alaskan Panhandle today. The British would later "loophole" the Russians to the modern day border of Alaska (i.e., giving them their panhandle). With the Americans being out of the picture (making the Brits happy) and combined with them being focused elsewhere; they may be willing to a better border for Russia in this part of the continent.




 * While not much in comparison to what you wanted, this could allow the Russians to have complete control over the gold and oil to be discovered later on, making it much more valuable in the long run. Take a look at this and this, and you can see what I am thinking, with the British allowing all of North America west of the 130th meridian to belong to Russia. I hope you don't mind, but I made a map to explain what I am seeing. Russia would probably get more of the Yukon and the majority of Alaska. The yellow circles are the main gold rushes in this territory.


 * As for the rest of Russia, without the Napoleonic Wars, it would most likely mean that Russia would still be an empire ruled by the Tsar (so they would include what you have and more). Depending on how Japan and Russia develop, Kamchatka may or may not become part of Japan. Russia had their eyes on Manchuria, while Japan (early on) were quite happy to just get Hokkaido and the Kurils; so it depends on whether Japan would overtake Russia as a regional power like OTL. Finland would most likely remain a part of Sweden, meaning Russia would most likely keep Karelia. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 21:10, March 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry, just remembered. Which world maps are you talking about? Some can be found here. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 23:24, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Glad I could help. I do apologize that your idea for Alaska failed, but I am happy to see you like my suggestion.

I can't say much about France, aside from that they would most likely adopt a constitutional monarchy within a few decades after the French Revolution OTL. I am not an expert on the French. Try asking ChrisL123, that seems to be his field of expertise. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 01:21, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

New Zealand
Don't know if you saw what the mods did to your colony in New Zealand, but when you go back in 1700, Ethiopia will help you take both islands. Sorry about the mod action. What they did was low. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 19:54, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

I thought I had to wait till 1646, its 1645. :/  Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:20, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

I will. Thanks for the ever timely advice. :P Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:27, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

hey could you please do the algorithm for the Roman-Goergian War? Venice and all of its vassals/puppets are helping as is Crete and Cyprus. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

No
No. SonnyPatton (talk) 23:01, March 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * How's it going? I truly want to thank you for standing up for me, but I don't think this guy has any respect for anybody. Though I believe telling him to "fuck off" was a little much. Either way, thank you. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 01:30, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

PMII Stuff
I'm not very good with adding support in the coalition campaigns, so add Ethiopia as a supporter in your next campaign. I insist. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 02:20, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Gotcha. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 17:39, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Warn him (Ethiopia) that China probably is claiming Luzon too.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 11:45, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Okay then. Thanks for the update. And I'll be sure not to touch your precious islands too. ;) Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 17:28, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Its looks great, thaks for the help IMp, your the best. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

5000 km? Is that even allowed? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 20:13, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

lol yeah i just realized it does. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

6 years, i shhould have done more, but i totaly forgto DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 20:20, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

well whos going to win most likely? DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

ok good, do you think i could possibly get enough in another war becasue i know if in 15 years of eahother the 2 percentages combine Dean (i logged out and then saw you messaged me on Recent activity)

are you serious???? thats like awesome, maybe ill get to 33% after all if im lucky, and then, i will reorganize it as a puppet state, awesome :)

Well, I guess I'd just like to talk, on the chat. Not really for a specific reason, mainly because your a nice person to talk too. :D Willster22 (User talk:Willster22) 23:16, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Dude your a genius :) and if i vassalize them i can get more points in future algorithms, ill still annex parts of the coastline, but otheriwse ill turn it into the two Kingdoms of Georgia and Armenia, with both in Personal Union with Rome and vassal states. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 11:25, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, the algorithm was changed to 13%, now ill need 2 more wars to take out Georgia-Armenia :( I can take another 13% this war, but then ill still need 7% more to topple them, all in 15 years! DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

Night of the Living Alternate History
I invite you to participate in the Night of the Living Alternate History. There are many nations still available, and we should be starting soon. Mscoree (talk) 17:24, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Roman-Georgian War Algo
Rome Total: 64
 * Location: +5 (At the War)
 * Tactical Advantage: +6 (Attackers Advatange, larger Colonial Empire)
 * Nations: (Rome (L), Venice (S), Croatia (SV), Greece (MV), Naples (SV), Piedmont (SV), Thrace (MV), Three Sicilies (SV), Crete (MV), Cyprus (M), Persia (M)) +22/4 = 6
 * Military Development: 9/3 = 3
 * Economic Development: 9/3 = 3
 * Infrasturcture: 3/3 = 1
 * Expansion: -1
 * Chance: 9
 * ​Edits: 5811
 * UTC time: 7:27 =  ​  98
 * 5811/98= 59.299569183673*pi = 186.2950909084668
 * Motive: +5 (Finishing off a foe and aiding an ally)
 * Nation Age: +0
 * Population: +17
 * Participation: +10
 * Recent Wars: 0

Armenia Total: 28
 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage: 0
 * Nations: (Armenia (L)): 4/22 = 0
 * Military Development: 3/6 = 0
 * Economy: 3/6= 0
 * Infrastructure: 3
 * Expansion: -1
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 5
 * Population: 6
 * Nation age: 0
 * Participation: 10
 * Recent Wars: 0

Can you please do the amount of land i can take? DSFear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

I thought that i had posted the map yesterday.as it turs out, i forgot.That's why nobody complained.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 14:11, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

he was moving there? even if that was valid, it wouldn't been added to the map anyway, as i wouldn't have noticed.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 15:11, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

RE:Hindustani Raj help
Hey, Imp, so sorry for the late replies, I've had quite a lot of tests and assignments this week, not enough time to visit the Wiki. But I'm back currently! :)

Now, to your message: you have some compelling ideas. However, a few things:
 * What exactly is the correlation between an earlier-united Hindustan and the British being more involved in European and North American matters, enough to have the Americans not declare independence?
 * I assume that the between the Brits and the Russians would cause them some tension, however some of the competition was in the east Asia and India, so with India being independent, I'd see more competition between the two in Persia, China, and the Americas. So, I think, good call on Alaska. In my timeline, I'm having the British-Russian competition only to be more strained when Alaska is captured from the Russians. Here, I could see a more Russian presence in Alaska to prove they are not "inferior" to the British.
 * On France... this might be tricky. It really depends on why the Americans don't revolt. If, in France, there is a strong enough revolutionary wave, though not as strong as OTL, and you have these revolutionaries kill Louis XVI as OTL, you could have the British intervening and kick the revolutionaries' butt, have them restore the crown, cause some sort of isolation in the country, and I guess then you can have the British have greater say in European matters. Though I don't know how likely that is.

I'd love to help you, I just need to know more about what you had in mind for certain details :P. Regards, ChrisL123 (talk) 17:52, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Imp, I annexed Aceh a few years ago after spending about a decade converting the population to Christianity. Is that allowed? Do I control them? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 02:54, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Ahh, I figured that would be a factor in it. That makes more sense actually.

The Hanover-Prussian union... Hmm, see, if Britain is still in a personal union with Hanover (which actually I think they did not like), and then Hanover and Prussia get into a union, that would become a British-Hanoverian-Prussian union. If Prussia gets into a personal union with just Hanover after the British leave that union (I believe that was when Queen Victoria, a woman, ascended to the throne), I don't know if the Brits would still be allied to the Hanoverian-Prussians. I will have to look into the British-Hanoverian relationship (considering the Prussians OTL took over Hanover without much British help), but remember that Britain and Prussia did indeed have, so them being allied is not out of the question.

The reason the Brits got involved in OTL is because of the death of Louis XVI. If Louis isn't killed, then likely no involvement unless they notice that the revolutionaries are actually gaining some ground. If Louis is killed, then international aid would be sent to the monarchists from other European monarchies until the revolution is stopped and a Bourbon king is on the throne again. The revolutionaries were able to avoid this... . In ATL, without the Americans becoming independent, the support wouldn't be as large, but I don't know if you want Louis to be killed by them or not.

Indian colonial troops were indeed fighting in Afghanistan in the 1850s; that specific war was the. They were fighting the Persians for them to retreat from Herat, Afghanistan; independent Afghanistan, which was needed so the British could have a buffer state between India and Russia from fear of a Russian takeover... which of course wouldn't happen ATL because they wouldn't own India. Since India seems to extend into Afghanistan in your timeline, I could see a greater interest in the British and Russians colonizing Persia, though I'm not that knowledgeable on Persian history enough to know if the British would ever get a colony out of the land. The Great Game ATL would probably be more a competition between the Brits and the Russians in Persia, China, and North America, and of course that might spill into Europe.

As for the colours, I believe I gave you the as a guide. But what I usually use now is Inkscape, they have an option to see the code for a specific colour you pick (if you have it I could explain it to you.) You've got an interesting timeline, and I hope to see more of it :P. ChrisL123 (talk) 00:58, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

Raj + PM
I will help you create pages for HR if you help me with A World of Difference. You can play with anything, as long as I can fix it into canon as well. Just remember that it's a Muslim India.

Also, I was only creating those algorithms to show that you could not take us (Europe) over as easily as we could do so vice-versa. But that's water under the bridge, eh? :)

00:01, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

Aha Imp, a good timeline is never finished!

Also Bavaria would probably like part of Prussia, but I need to connect the Fatherland to Courland, so I'm willing to sever that link to connect Austria to Brandenburg.

As for Aragon, I broke the "rule" on the mod page that everything there is "secret" and cannot be discussed by non-mods, but that was my OOC punishment.

I never have my Royal Families straightened out. Normally I just create the current ruler, his wife, and their heir. You can have the newly made-up eldest daughter of the Kaiser, Maria Anna, who will not convert from her beloved Germanic Catholicism whatsoever. ;)

00:19, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

I thought dynastic union was how you got the other parts of India? But I think that it wouldn't work as your countries have little in common. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 14:56, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

I'd keep it in country to solidify the union of your country. As for colonies it was more the New Zealand one for you but that was aimed more at Scraw & various other players. However your ability to write off your muslim population not rebelling and refusing to convert is annoying to me for plausibity reasons. These things have a tendancy to kick off as I'm sure you've seen throughout history. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 13:59, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

I like the sound of that, I'm sure some of the muslim leaders in my nation would welcome your muslim refugees into the federation. As for a new colony, would they not just go to a more tollerant state in India e.g. Bengal is still mainly muslim. Or they'd go to the Arabian federation, some of the indonesian sultanates, somewhere in centeral asia or middle east. Maybe even africa, my maldives vassal or south east asia. But yeah a small colony could be formed but you wouldn't be able to do an "emergency colony", it'd have to be within your own colonial limit. Anyway yeah I'll update your territories page using the 1655 map. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 19:20, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

I would say it is legit but I think the actual amount of control exercised over Bengal wouldn't be that strong. If the Scandinavians merely using their technology to help prop-up the Bengali government then I guess it would be a puppet government. As for Australia, remember there isn't all that much there so it maybe isn't the most useful place to colonize unless you do it in the right places and resources there which are worth you colonizing the area. But I would say wait until 1700 until starting to colonize Australia, as it wasn't done in OTL until then but you can do it on a very small scale. Remember your colonists aren't going to agree going to live in a desert. You need a few decades to explore the continent to see if its worth it too. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 18:56, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Hattanwaddy did do it, but they kept it small. Mostly due to kenny's absence but still don't go mental with it like you did with new zealand. Remember the technological advantage isn't as big as it was in the 1800s yet, communication and travel is still very difficult.

But anway, yeah easter's been good. I get 3 weeks so I'm still off next week, albiet I have 3 essays to do so next week isn't going to feel like much of a holiday anyway. But I have been lazzing around my house most of the time, now and again going out to town or pub. Suspose the coming heticness is my own fault for wasting these past couple of days but I needed this sort of break to relax. Uni is stressful man. The lifestyle is great, if only the work wasn't so hard. How about you? <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 23:33, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

I have done secondary school before you know. I got exams in May so you having them in November is pretty luck as I'll then have more exams the December after. Believe me, there is much more work to come in your education. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 16:26, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

No you shouldn't be able to expand into a stable nation. Because doing so is an invasion. You can expand slowly into nations in civil disarray but sometimes its quicker to do a war algorithm. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 17:32, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

UIP On the Move
Yes, about time to get to work. Lordganon (talk) 11:35, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

Would have to start up an article. Newsbits and the like would follow after graduation. Back-dating will be needed, of course. Lordganon (talk) 11:31, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Get started whenever you wish - I really won't have time until next week.

Not shot down - just crashes. Think of it as a new pilot having a problem, and it goes badly. The rescue attempt backfires.

More like this occurs in the last couple weeks of March, with the UIP troops not really leaving the area. Sometime over the next couple weeks, after some preparation, they launch the assaults. Campaigns would last until May or so, I think.

Lordganon (talk) 12:00, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

We went over this months ago, lol.

The UIP has territory on the other side of the breakaways, Imp. The best route by far to get planes between the two is over said states.

One of these planes crashes in Bodoland, near the border. UIP forces move in to secure the site, Bodoland forces move against them. UIP troops manage to hold the site, and after it is recovered remain there. Things mushroom from there, and the UIP invades Bodoland. And once they start taking it out - which would have the SAC drop their aid - the main reasons to not go after the little states is gone, so they go after them too.

Lordganon (talk) 08:29, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Question
question do you know if one is allowed more then one tl at a  time.

i curently have a darker place, which im going to continue work on over time but ive had a few ideas of timelines i want to start and im hoping  to start one possibly today, if its allowed. Nk

Ok also inteersted in joining a ww1 mao game im going to be starting it will start in 1915 right in the heat of the great war. Nk

im not that interested in joining those i wantto join one at the start, and its mainly to start a fresh one that keeps plausibilty. and dont have that key on my argentinean laptop.

okNkbeeching (talk) 14:05, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

haha ok also connect ot the chat so i can talk easier then jumping from page to page.Nkbeeching (talk) 14:10, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Are you refering to Tyrolia? Approx 3 turns, I dont think it would be good right now cause I've been helping Venice in Hungary, im not sure how that would effect my outcome.Andr3w777 (talk) 16:24, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

I baptized their leader, but that was about it. Colie told my converting another nation wasn't allowed, so that could be ignored if you want. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 16:27, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

i beat them with a 59 to their 38, I am entitled to 22% of their landAndr3w777 (talk) 16:33, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

I believe it was 1653 maybe? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 16:34, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

PMII Stuff
I have no problem with it, as long as you can plausibly maintain it. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 12:52, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Go for it. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 13:38, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Hello. Would you be interested in an alliance and trade agreements with the Mononobe Shogunate? Now that the pirates are defeated, I'm able to help you and such. -Kogasa  2013年4月04日 00:06:26 (JST)

Took me a while, but I got it! :D Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:31, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

After all the help you've given me, what kind of horrible person would I be to say no? Of course you can have your enclave. :) Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 00:29, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Even better. I was trying to take out Adal to secure my coast since I didn't have a direct link to the Indian Ocean. Taking out Yemen secured my shipping lanes, and having you in the region is a bonus! :D Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 16:44, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, for the wait, I was out. I'll just annex it, and turn it into a vassal or intergrate it into Ethiopia. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 18:11, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Okay then. I can do that. Does that work with overseas territories as well? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 18:31, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

I thought so. As for the latter part, I'm not going to lie. You have been responsible for all of it. I mean, you told me what I had to do to grow, and I did, and thanks you, I'm a powerful colonial empire. That's why I'm so quick to give you concessions whenever you ask for them. You've earned them all. :P Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 18:47, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

You haven't given bad advice yet, so I'll do as you. :P Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 19:11, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. But I'm certain I'm not ready to dance that dance of death yet. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 19:23, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Raj
Absolutely love to, but I'm afraid I haven't been active recently and that's probably going to continue for at least a few weeks. Tell you what though, I should be back by mid-April, so I'll sign on and help then?

<span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#000000 50%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#000000 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#FF0000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">           <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#0000ff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FFffff" face="Arial">"Very funny, Scotty.   <font color="#000000" face="Arial" title="Bvlog">Now beam down my clothes."  21:36, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, thank you. I was going to do it, but I decided that anyway I'd be leaving for a month and a half, so I couldn't be bothered, lol.

Please do give me the basics.

Yeah, I saw that ASB tag. Ah, well, what can you do?

<span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#000000 50%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#000000 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#FF0000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">           <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#0000ff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FFffff" face="Arial">"Very funny, Scotty.   <font color="#000000" face="Arial" title="Bvlog">Now beam down my clothes."  21:32, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

To be fair, though, he does have a point. 30% of Indians classify themselves as freethinkers? In America today, 95% of people have some religion or another, or so sayeth the economist. Bit TOO liberal. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#000000 50%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#000000 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#FF0000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">           <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#0000ff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FFffff" face="Arial">"Very funny, Scotty.   <font color="#000000" face="Arial" title="Bvlog">Now beam down my clothes."  21:40, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Interestingly, I did. For some reason though, it isn't working. Saved it, several times. Just reverts to the original.

~GUNS

mmm, yes, well, I think you can see how that turned out.

I'll ask Scraw how he did his.?

21:35, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

TSPTF
You got me thinking yesterday - we really don't have anyone dealing with Map Games on the admin team any longer, and you're right about the number being a bit of a dilemma. And I really don't have the time lately to go into it.

So, how would you like a promotion to Lieutenant?

Lordganon (talk) 10:56, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

You would gain the abilities to delete and block. Lordganon (talk) 13:06, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that is part of the "delete" rights.

I'll put the "paperwork" in to start the process tomorrow, then. Imp, if that's ok.

Lordganon (talk) 13:23, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

It's up you can find it here to accept it. Lordganon (talk) 08:52, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

re: PM II Stuff
Bah! I already posted that they ended the war. I guess I'll be fighting resistance for the next few turns. Oh, and congrats on the promotion by the way. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 15:44, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Sweet. So only expand my vassals and not Ethiopia proper? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 15:55, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Okay. Gotcha. As for the land, as I said before, ask and you shall recieve. Ethiopia and Orissa have what we can call "a special relationship" (think America and Great Britian). When we profit, you profit. :) Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 16:08, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Awesome. I'll edit my post to have it so that children in Ethiopia has the chance to learn Hindi. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 16:27, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Heck yeah man! Let's do this! :D Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 16:31, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

I can wait. But for the time being, let's focus on dominating the Indian Ocean. I was planning on us dividing Austrailia in the 1700s, and you taking New Zealand around that time as well. I'll focus on taking over Africa while I still have the chance, and then when your ready, I'll support any of your conquests on the Indian Subcontinent if you plan on it. All I know is that we have to lock Europe out of the region before its too late. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 16:37, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Sweet. I should probably build Addis Ababa soon too. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 16:39, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

His? CrimsonAssassin (talk) 16:40, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Awesome. Drop a line, and I'll be there immediately. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 16:48, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

I thought Collie was a girl! CrimsonAssassin (talk) 18:19, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

I'll do it immediately. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 00:41, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

Is 10000 reasonable main nation expansion for one year? I only ask because I've been chastised in the past for excessive expansion. CourageousLife (talk) 21:00, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

Is it listed in the rules? I've read them several times, but it's just as likely I've skipped over that section. CourageousLife (talk) 21:10, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much, that's really helpful!!! CourageousLife (talk) 21:13, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

UIP Transport
I have to doubt that it would a priority.

Besides, adding new power lines is really not something the government would be involved in.

Looking into the railway situation, while the network itself would likely have survived, the trains would be another story. I expect that the fighting combined with shortages afterwards would mean that the subcontinent is largely using steam locomotives still, with the remainder being older diesel designs.

UIP doesn't need a new design of engine.

It would be highly unlikely for that building to be the inspiration for anything - and while it may have been damaged after DD, it would have been finished eventually.

Yeah, I suppose it would be all right for you to make those company articles.

Lordganon (talk) 11:32, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

A few years, I would expect.

Looks very "templely" to me - and no, it doesn't look at all like a Parliament building. Not safe at all, for that matter.

I expect that the UIP government would operate out of the area of Bombay where the state government is otl, with whatever local state government that exists instead being based in Nagpur. Now those all look like Parliament buildings.

Lordganon (talk) 12:46, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

The northern nation of Carnatic is 1,639 pixels and the southern nation of Mysore is 2,392 pixels large. Regardless of pixel count to take over another nation you need a war. How is he trying to take it over? <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 14:42, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

sorry i was on Spring Break and i dont have much internet access at home. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 15:36, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

can i work on Nazi World with you? DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 15:45, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

ok then, also the pOD and the timeline have a conlict with the Germans invading Engalnd, so one will have to be changed :/ although i think a nuking of London or somewhere in the UK such as Cornwall or Edihnburg would work as efficently instead of an invasion. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

Oh, ok. I was going to have Perisa being invaded by Axis forces for oil and being reduced in size to form a puppet state of a German-Turkish allaicne, and i do ask that a G-T alalince remain. Also, how about the USA does get the bobm furst, but Germany gets it soon after, leading to Germany abandoning Japan to the USA and the USA letting the Germans take on the rest of the Allies? DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 16:14, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

sounds like a very good plan, i cant wait to read it, ive made a nation page for Perisa, but hey ive got to get back to class, ill ttyl about this. Please write it i want to read it :) DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 16:25, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Bring it up as a new topic on the talk page and show all posts related to the matter in chronically order. We'll judge from the evidence what should happen; because all you two are doing at  the moment are making allegations, stating the law and presenting no evidence and applying the law. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 16:50, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the rude walkout in chat, I was really looking forward to something. :P Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 16:56, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Aww. Okay then. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 17:02, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

I meant what has been posted in game. As that is what we are judging, not the discussions on the talk page. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!)

Oh yeah, forgot I can expand again. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 18:23, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re. Empress
Haha, I guess it would be. Thank you. Callumthered (talk)

And, seeing as you must've at least glanced over the article, what do you think? Callumthered (talk)

Thanks for the population stats. Just looked at a map of Hyderabad, I completely agree about my map making it too big, I guess my mouse-drawing skills need a bit of improvement! With regards to the Tamil state, how big are we talking? My knowledge of Subcontinental ethnography is...limited at best, so I'm very glad you pointed that out. I really should have considered the Tamils though, they did have a prominent place in the news for a while. In the article, I believe I divided the Agency states into four agencies, but I think I ran out of space in the legend to put them on the map, so I bundled them all together. As for Dehli as the capital, I had actually not known that Edward VII was the one who made it the capital. I had assumed (without any reason) that it became capital with the republic. Thank you for pointing that out too. I think I'll make Dehli the administrative capital, with Calcutta being the royal (well, imperial) capital.

A question I'd like to pose: how much intermarrying between the local princel families and the shipped-in Imperial family do you think would be appropriate/possible? I was thinking that British pride (/racism) would stop anyone in serious danger of inheriting the throne from marrying a local prince/princess, but maybe not? And then there's the religious/cultural differences... Anyway, what do you reckon? Callumthered (talk) 13:46, April 12, 2013 (UTC)

No reserve necessary, I appreciate the map very much; it's much better than a confusing chunk of text describing borders. If I recolour some of the states (just so same colours don't border each other) would you mind if I used the map on the article? (full credit to you).

The Sikh Empire, I dunno, I thought that without the British army to support them, the company might just not bother, and by the time they do bother, it would have fallen under either Russian or Chinese influence (I'm not sure which one yet). But if you think it's highly unlikely, it can be changed. The Sikhs don't have a page yet, so it would only be a matter of changing all the maps.

I have to agree about the Imperial family. The only way they could get legitimacy would by marrying the locals. But that could cause problems for the monarchy in its other realms: Saint Helena, Van Diemen's Land and Sumatra. The majority Anglo population in the first two, would probably be averse to having one of Indian ancestry ruling over them. So, I may have to do the unthinkable and divide the "British Domains" between different branches of the House of Hannover. Meh, it's a minor change. Callumthered (talk) 23:01, April 12, 2013 (UTC)

I see what you mean about the princely states. Yeah, having them as de facto presidencies seems the go. They would each have elected assemblies, like the presidencies. But I do still want them to have their own monarch, but as more of a figurehead (and a convenient pool of potential Imperial spouses), like the 1871-1918 German Empire otl, but much more democratic. More Imperial control over the Princely armies as well, I suppose. So, for example, the Mysore Army becomes de facto just another regiment in the Indian Army, but the Maharaja is the ceremonial Colonel-in-Chief.

Wow, I just read that over, I hope it's not too garbled ;) Also, I take your point about the Windsors, and I am quite glad too; it seemed a shame to give the British diaspora different monarchs.

I do like your latest map, it is much tidier than mine was. I'll get rid of the Sikhs and add Kashmir as a princely state. Would it be at all possible to somehow move those borders onto a more plain map of India?

Finally, thanks for the Governor/President thing. What on Earth were the English thinking calling something a presidency!? Callumthered (talk) 01:27, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, in 1680, I'm going to be invading Sudan. Anything I need to prepare fore between now and then? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 02:32, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Gotcha. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:35, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

I must say, I have to agree with you on the map, it is truly a magnificent job, and I am actually honoured that something like that will be on NAV!! I hope you will allow me (and remind me) to nominate it for the next Stirlings. Just one thing though, I see you added Nepal and Bhutan to the empire. I had assumed they would remain independent, but having just read the Wikipedia page on the wars that the BEIC fought and won against them I think probably makes more sense having them as princely states than as independent ones.

You know, great minds must truly think alike. I was thinking yesterday about a sort of Indian creol sorta race that would spring up from the whites who do intermarry. I agree with you that some of the whites would probably aim to keep their families white. I was thinking that after the fall of Britain in 1813, there is a fairly steady exodus of the British intelligentsia to India and Van Diemen's land (but obviously the majority to India. I mean, Tasmania's a small island). So, I suppose India would begin to be more like a South American country, with regards to race. The white "full" (or mostly full) Euros, the Creol "half" (more or less) Indo-Europeans, and the full indians, who I still think would make up the majority of the population. But the whites and creoles would make up a sizeable minority, and probably have most of the power and property. I was thinking that Elizabeth's dad (I think he'd be George IV using the post-Britain post-nominal numbers system) might be the first Emperor to have married an Indian, but other, less important branches of the family started intermarrying in the 1910s.

You're definitely right about the royal/imperial family. Once they arrive in India, I think they'd use all their constitutional power to improve their "new Britain". Porbably slightly behind Europe, as you said, and I think maybe on par with Sino-Japan. The Sino-Japs did undergo a sort of Meji Restoration phase which propelled them to industrialisation like it did Japan otl. But I think in education, India'd be ahead. The brits would definitely focus on forming the little indians into proud members of "the Empire". In many ways, I suppose ttl India is like New Britain in 1983DD. I think you're right about the superspower business. They might be a bit ahead of the USA in terms of general powerfulness, so I might give the USA's seat in the Chambre des Superpuissants (ttl Security Council) to India. It would also balance out the chamber between the different alliance blocks.

I think the royals would maintain their faith, and thanks to the substantial anglican emigre and creole population, would probably not feel the need to try and convert everyone else. OH, just as I was typing, I came up with something. The imperial title could be something like: HIM etc. etc. Defender of the Faiths. Like, they could make it part of their coronation oath to protect and defend the faiths of the people of the empire. Or something. Callumthered (talk) 00:47, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry it's taken me so long to respond, the Easter holidays are gone, along with my leisure time.

I like your idea of an Indian "prince Albert" figure marrying Victoria. Just one thing, by her marrying an indian prince, wouldn't the House name change from Hannover to Wadiyar or another such Indian name? Or do you think it would be possible for a similar law to be passed as was passed keeping Windsor as the current royal family's name? It's just, I can see Vandiemonians and Saint Helenans accepting a part Indian sovereign, but not an Indian house name.

Six million British immigrants? I think that may be a bit too many. The population of England, Wales and Scotland (I doubt independent Irish would immigrate to a "new Britain" when there's a massively Irish-majority republic in Australia) in 1851 was only ca. 20 million. In 1810, that number was about 13 million. So, if say two million arrive 1813-1830 and only breed with other whites, (whilst keeping the same population growth rates as Britain), their population could have grown to about 3 million by 1851. Adding another influx of immigrants with the foundation of the empire (let's say another 2 million), then the white, or mostly white, population in 1870 could be around 5 million. However, I've forgotten about the Brits already in India and the slower stream of immigration from 1830-1857. So maybe by 1870, we could have a white Indian population of around the six million mark, and in the end the result is basically the same. I think... (Simple addition and multiplication is always where I make my mistakes in exams. I lay out the entire equation perfectly, follow all the steps, and then get the whole thing wrong because I made 3x4=14 or something equally stupid)

One final thing, do you think that the BEIC's otl occupation of Aden would still happen TTL? And what about the Opium Wars? (God that BEIC had its fingers in a lot of pies) Callumthered (talk) 10:39, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Damn, forgot something, would you mind, if you had the time, slightly changing your beautiful map? Could you erase the Russian-Afghan border (Afghanistan's a part of Russia ttl) and move the Burmese one so that mainland Malaysia is included in it? Thanks, Callumthered (talk)

Good point about non-British European migrants. There would have been plenty of disaffected Austrians, Hungarians, Prussians, Danes, Swedes, Norwegians, Spaniards and Italians willing to emigrate, and a staunchly nation anti-French by its mere existance would probably be their first choice (although Brazil and America would also probably lure some).

A ten child policy would most certainly do the trick, but a five or even four child policy would be enough. As long as the number of children per couple averaged out to a number between 3 and 5 I think the required numbers would be made.

You don't sound dumb at all. Aden is a town on the Southern coast of the Arabian Peninsula. Apparently, it was occupied by the BEIC in 1837 to halt piracy, and it remained a British colony until 1963 (I'd only ever heard of it because my grandad was stationed there in the 50s). Having an opium War would also result in an Indian-held Hong Kong (or similar Chinese town). It would also be benificial to the TL as it explains the Chinese hatred of Europeans, and kind of justifies the union with Japan, modernisation and eventual Asia-pacific War.

I'm now firmly set on Victoria marrying an Indian Prince, but it causes a big problem. Namely, if she were to marry a prince, one would assume she's actually have to live in India, which the royals didn't do until the establishment of the Empire in 1857. In 1857, Victoria was 38; far too old to be marrying and starting to have children. So what I'm thinking is an earlier rebellion, resulting in the empire being declared in 1837, resulting in Victoria marrying on time and in industrialisation and education schemes occuring slightly earlier due to the royals' vestedn interest in both. Does that sound reasonable? Callumthered (talk) 09:51, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

OC&M
That's an interesting idea, though I don't plan on bringing computers into this TL too early. I do, however, plan on, by the '40s or '50s, create things that are in some steampunk works such as automatons (they run off of tapes sometimes) CrimsonAssassin (talk) 02:46, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Operation Dissolution
There you go. Vladivostok (talk) 11:56, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I haven't really considered what I'll do with the PRC and Yunnan. But I will check and see if it's doable.If anything, the PRC would probably go east, to meet up with Jiangsu.

As for a UIP response, sure, feel free to add that in. Vladivostok (talk) 13:47, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

PMII Koori Union
Hey buddy i'm playing as the Australian Aboriginies and have just formed the Koori Union, a small nation made up of nine of the Aboriginie tribes of Australia. A while ago you posted on my talk page you would be willing to help as Orrisa in supplying weapons and aid to help me bring together Aboriginie tribes into one state and modernise said state. Are you still willing to help with this? Hailstormer (talk) 13:10, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah you did. I would show you the post but it was when i first joined the wikia and i didn't really know how the talk pages worked so it got deleted along with everything else from back then. Thanks for saying you will though. Hailstormer (talk) 18:09, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Make sure that it does. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 12:36, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

Dude, Von cheated me out of East Africa. How many vassals does he have? I have plans for him. >:)  Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 01:09, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Awesome. I'm going to cull the Arabian Federation. I always wanted a desert palace (really I do). :P Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 14:10, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Ugh. Fine. I'll talk to him later. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 15:31, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

That I would accept. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 15:59, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Imp, on PM2 there is now a Portugese Queen ruling the country alone. Should this bring Roman-Portugese ties closer or no? DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 16:15, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Awesome. I'm building up to establishing a republic where the emperor is the president, but ruler for life. Getting electing will win you the throne. So I'll be joining you in the growth hopefully. :P Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 16:17, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

yes i am, or was i suppose, with the death of the Royal Family its basically a de jure union at best. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 16:23, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

I'll see to it. But I think its unrealistic to tell a nation how to conduct its internal affairs. Nations warred all the time over many stupid reasons. If the Orissans want to expand then that is their right. AP did it all over the place (and Scraw is doing the same), why not you as well? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 16:23, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Same. But how does one get the industrialization points? I've done everything from providing general education, freeing up scientific reseach, expanding the middle-class, and making business easier in Ethiopia. What more must I do? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 17:14, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

thanks for the adivce :D im pretty sure you just saved me from a [problem. Id like to soemhow get a peronal union with your country if it all possible. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 17:43, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Madagascar Colony
Hey Imp, my Madagascar colony has been expanding for the last 37 years at 2,000 square kilometers per year, could you please fix it on the map so it shows it correctly? Thanks

DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 11:20, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

PM II
The Mononobe Shogunate shall be waiting for you. I'm fine with waiting for the alliance offer within a few years (in-game of course). :] -Kogasa  2013年4月17日 21:29:41 (JST)

Yeah I got busy again, I can't turn nights out ;)

But they be done later today. Then I start doing this essay so I can't do the 1675 map as this essay needs to be done by next wednesday & I ain't started it yet. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 16:54, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Is the nation page for the Kingdom of Rome ok? DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 19:50, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Ok thanks :D Im trying to make this as detailed as possible and finding the ages and everything for the Royal Family is a pain. not sure about Uraccas age though. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 19:56, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

actually i just remembered she was the same age as Marcus, so i got it down. The Royal Family is now complete. Im thinking of killing Uracca soon, that or somehow get her pregnant and create some nobility. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 19:58, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry i don't think i explained what i meant properly. I edited it so that they never formed the nation at all, and just requested membership as individual tribes the same way all the other tribes of the Koori Union did so, so that should sort that right? I plan to centralise now and create further intergration, but i need to sort this thing out with this westerly section of the Koori Union otherwise i'm just going to build up for 30 years then get destroyed when Europeans start colonising. Btw i agree to your offer. When could we form the trade deal? Hailstormer (talk) 20:03, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

But the borders on my map just reflected what i had posted, and nobody had claimed what i had posted was implausible. So just because it looks larger on the map than what people expected doesn't mean that everything i have said in my turns can just be reneged on surely? Hailstormer (talk) 20:22, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Now please tell me where you learned how to read my mind. That was entirely my plan.

As for Carnatic, I will not have this. The mods said it was completely OK for me to vassalize when I tried to annex it. Go through the archives for a bit and you'll find it.

20:42, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

OK, you can have Carnatic. About Poland, the Queen of Poland is married to the German Kaiser, so the next Kaiser will inherit both countries.

21:00, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

OK then. Sounds good to meh.

21:18, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

I hate when I have to waste my time on puny things like that just to reach my goal. That would take a horrible toll on my nation, no matter how easy. I have plan for them, though...

22:40, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Koori Union (PMII)
Ok thanks man. Sorry bit tetchy atm because of what happened before with the map. I will leave the map now. Btw in terms of the trade deal can i ask that we add the following: Is that cool? Hailstormer (talk) 20:47, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * A few large ships and training for Kooris to use them.
 * The training to perform metal working, ship builidng, and advanced combat tactics for the Koori Union.

Sorry man but i want to keep my independence. I'm all for forming an alliance and a highly profitable trade deal for both of us, but i want this to be a partnership of equals. I'm trying to avoid what happened in OTL after all. I'm fine with allowing your missionaries into my nation, but i still intend for the state religion of Dreamtime to be dominent. Does the deal still stand with this change? Hailstormer (talk) 20:54, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Well i'm not that worried about conflict, as i aim to be defensive for the immediate future. However i will aid you in conflict as long as it doesn't mean the death of my nation. Thanks for saying the deal still stands. At this moment if i am correct the deal looks like this:

Orissa:

Koori Union:
 * Weapons and ammunition
 * Supplies and aid
 * Ships and training
 * Traning in metal working, ship building, and advanced combat tactics.
 * Advisors and translators
 * Alliance
 * Trade deal
 * Acceptance of Hindu missionaries into the Koori Union

If that is fine with you then i suggest we open discussions this turn :) Hailstormer (talk) 21:03, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

I have put up the offer :) Hailstormer (talk) 21:33, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

I'd rather you leave them and take them over at a slow pace during your "non-expansion" period. I mean lots of small expansion is much more plausible than a load of dead quick expansion. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 21:42, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I have created a exclusive trade pact for the next ten years also. I shall wait for you to post your next turn as some of the items i am receiving are important for my next turn :) Hailstormer (talk) 21:50, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

I've been thinking about having a stronger pressence in India but it is at the bottom of a rather long list. Which of my action's concern you may I ask? <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 12:04, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry but i'm not going to allow foreigners be a part of the Koori Union government. I see this as the first step into becoming a puppet state and as a result i can't accept it. This is what i had in mind for the three groups of people you sent over:

Is this acceptable to you?
 * Advisors: The advisors shall advise the Tribal Council on matters selected by the council when advice is required. They shall only act as aides to the Tribal Council, and shall hold only that post.
 * Translators: The translators shall document the Aboriginie languages in the hope of improving communication between the Koori Union and Orissa. They shall also be allowed to teach Hindi to small groups, so to also improve communiction.
 * Missionaries: They shall be provided building materials and labour to help build small Hindu temples in the settlements of the Koori Union, and shall be allowed to preach to small groups.

Also in terms of the items promised. I shall only allow the above when i am provided with the items promised to the Koori Union. i'm sorry but i need them to continue with the plan i have drawn up for the Koori Union. Hailstormer (talk) 19:00, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

I agree about the everything in one year thing, it would be both implausible and unbalanced. As a result can i ask that i get the weapons, armour, and ammunition this turn? Aswell as just a couple of ships? This is all i need to continue with my plans and it would not be forgotten if you agreed to it. In return i would let the translators enter the nations to start learning the Koori language and to start teaching Hindi. In terms of the rest of the items, we can agree a suitable timetable after this is agreed upon. I would like it if we built ports in the settlements of: Cadi, Jagera, and Kulin. I would like the profit percentages to be: 60% Koori - 40% Orissa. This would then change to: 80% Koori - 20% Orissa, after 10 years. Is this acceptable to you? I would also like to add that your help improving and raising the Koori Union is much appreciated, and that i understand what i have to gain here. Hailstormer (talk) 19:20, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah the extremists is a minor problem & is all but solved. But I was toying with the idea of an Indian vassal but I don't think I'll bother now. Anyway no need to worry. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 16:48, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the extra muskets, ammunition and advisors :)

Btw when do you think i will get my first lot of Orissa ships? I could really do with them within the next three years if that is ok? At that point the ports will be completed so they shall have areas to habour aswell :) Hailstormer (talk) 20:38, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

Well i'm glad we are on the same wavelength :) Hailstormer (talk) 20:44, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah i have been thinking about that. Are you sure there has ever been a common cold epidemic? I can't find record of one ever happening? In terms of smallpox i have a plan to deal with it, but it is going to be difficult :/ Hailstormer (talk) 20:56, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

Oh fair enough, well in that case we should get the cold out of the way soon, when my population hasn't grown huge amounts. I think 15% is a fair estimate since it mainly affects the elderly. My plan for smallpox is to let it run its course, with 30% of my population being killed, a bit lower than claims in OTL, which will be explained by more efficent knowledge of disease from Orissa. However this will take place over the course of a few years, as it runs down the eastern coast, so areas that are hit badly one year will be recovering the next. I just have to make sure these two epidemics are spread out effectively :) Hailstormer (talk) 21:10, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

Sounds like a good plan to me :) Hailstormer (talk) 21:28, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with the logic in terms of the ports. In terms of the influx of your civilians into the Koori Union, i aim to let my population build up first. I think it would be best if perhaps after the smallpox epidemic, that i will allow Orrisan citizens into the Koori Union in substantial numbers to help the population recover. What do you think? Hailstormer (talk) 20:20, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Can you remove the bit about the cold please? I need a couple more turns to consolidate other things before the epidemic. Also shouldn't my ships have arrived this turn? Hailstormer (talk) 22:20, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

You need to add the handing over of the ships and blueprints to your 1679 post as i need them for 1680 and you said i would get them in 1679. Also i'm going to be the one starting the cold epidemic, as it is my own country. I don't want my country to end up as a puppet state in everything but name. Also i would appreciate your support on the talk page in the discussion over my post. Hailstormer (talk) 23:16, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Ok so at this point i assume you have seen what has happened. So in order of importance. Smallpox and the Plague has had their outbreaks and i have lost tens of thousands of Kooris, which equates to around 40% of my population, a huge loss but not catastrophic. Due to the speed this epidemic has come about i won't let any Orissan expats into the Koori Union. This is both to deal with anti-Orissan anger in the Koori Union and also so that the Kooris are not overwhelmed by an influx of foreigners. Secondly, the ports completion has been retconned, and from my talks with other they shall not be complete till at least the next turn, so we have to wait till then before we post anything about it. I will just say work on the ports continues. Finally, and i don't know why i have put this last, but my expansion has been retconned and as a result reordered. The new borders of the Koori Union only includes the coastal settlments of Kulin, Jagera, and Cadi. So the settlement of Bamaga doesn't exist along with its port. On a brighter note at least i don't have to deal with smallpox and the plague again :) Hailstormer (talk) 17:23, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't say they have been a waste of time. They have set up the foundations for a decent partnership in the future once i have my nation sorted out. It has just been unfortunate with the mod event and moderating of posts. Hailstormer (talk) 18:17, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

One final thing. You are still going to stand up to your side of the deal and hand over the ships and blueprints right? Hailstormer (talk) 18:25, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

I know man. Don't worry i won't forget it. Hailstormer (talk) 20:21, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

That will be greatly appreciated :) Btw did you change your post to hand over the blueprints in the end? Hailstormer (talk) 20:38, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Ok i will do so. Once again thanks for helping the Koori Union get started, and as i said it won't be forgotten :) Hailstormer (talk) 20:44, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

My bad, i thought it was up to 1685. Hailstormer (talk) 21:53, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Sig
Hehe, no, it didn't work. I've just taken to writing out the sig you made in source mode (which is why I don't have time & date). For some reason, everytime I remove the SUBST... it comes back.

BTW, Cour and I have been thinking about a new map game. It combines to create your own nation from BFE with the down to earth, plausible, medieval nature of PM.

Interested?

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Hey i might not be able to access a computer for the next few days and was wondering if i dont post on PM2 you could post as Kingdom of Rome, basicaly just copy and paste this to the game:

Kingdom of Rome: Madagascar colony expands by 2000 square kilometers. Military, infrastrucure and economy are worked on. Reseaerch continues on Sniper Musket.

DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 20:54, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Picture
Within the week. I'm already working on someone's request, for the logo of their gaming channel on YouTube.  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 03:53, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Imp, i apreciate it. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 22:04, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

hey can u finish the aglroithm clalculations fro me for the ROman-Chechnyan War? I cant figure out the final algorithm secquence and i dont want to screw up. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 23:40, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

correction i dont know how to the territory gains, so can you just do the whole territory gains/outcome section DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 23:42, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Hey!
Hello!

I'm very sorry I haven't responded to your message, I must seem very rude. Just with the start of term (and rowing) again, I've not had much time.

The map is exactly right, and I can't stress how thankful I am for your work on it.

I think about everything is pretty much worked out with regards to India. Demographics, religion, politics, subdvisions and international status. All I have to do now is 1, work out the royal family after George III (I want princess Charlotte to survive to become queen, but not so long that she eclipses Victoria) and 2, actually write about all the things we agreed on!

So yeah, thanks again for all the help, and if you think of something else to do with NAV, don't hesitate to point it out. And if there's ever something you think I could help you with, please ask.

Regards, Callumthered (talk) 07:03, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

nevermind about the calcuations i fixed them, and im proud to say that Rome and its allies have crushed Azerbaijian fully. I am going to organize it into a puppet state in a Personal Union with one of Romes nobles, Isaac. Rome will most likely annex some ports as well, but otherwise it will be left fully intact. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 19:03, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

Also, Rome wishes to have an allaince with your main nation and its vassals. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 19:03, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

open up the caht me and Dimurat are allies, and i think we could speed it up if we use chat DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 20:19, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

NotLAH - South Africa
I have added you as South Africa on NotLAH, as you requested. Welcome to the game! Mscoree (talk) 19:18, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations, you are now a Lieutenant in the TSPTF. I would like to spend sometime discussing those powers:


 * You should now notice a red button at the top of every article with the word "Delete". You can use this to delete articles, obviously. Use this power sparingly and always stay within the framework of the Deletion Policy. The policy itself was passed with little discussion, so if you have any suggestions or comments regarding it I would be glad to hear it.
 * You can also block users from editing. This can be done by clicking on the History page for articles or the Contributions tab on editor's user pages. Again, use this sparingly. This is our most destructive tool. We don't have a policy on this, but there is a general custom that has been followed: always assume good faith with edits (unless obviously vandalism), warn before blocking (try using the three strikes approach) and start with short block durations for first time offenders. Generally other administrators will not interfere with your decisions regarding blocks, as long as it appears fair on its face.
 * You will also notice a button on the top of every article that says "Protect". With this you can prevent certain people from editing a single article. The first level prevents anons and new users from editing an article. The second level limits editing only to administrators. Use this to prevent excessive vandalism or to prevent edit wars between users.
 * There are other obscure powers that are not used often. If you have any questions on those or the ones I mentioned above, feel free to ask me.

Again, congratulations on being elected to the TSPTF and good luck.

Lordganon (talk) 08:32, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations! I was hoping the TSPTF would chose you. There really isn't a better choice (no offence to all) than you. I hope we can continue to grow to be good friends. Reximus55 (talk) 08:44, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

Map Games
Remember not to let it get to your head.

Just add the deletion tag to them for now - there is always exceptions, you know?

You know I go over everything on this wiki, lol. I will read it, no worries.

Lordganon (talk) 02:02, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Help
Sure man, if anything opens up, we'll let you know. Thanks for the offer. Vladivostok (talk) 11:26, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Username
I chose Seiga Miyako as it is a combination of two of my favourite Touhou characters (Seiga Kaku and Yoshika Miyako).

Anyway, the Username "Kogasa" is already taken by someone else. To be honest, even though Kogasa Tatara is also one of my favourite Touhou characters, I didn't consider of choosing a Username with the name Kogasa. -Kogasa  2013年4月28日 20:29:58 (JST)

Can you copy and paste this for the next two turns? That would be amazing! I'll be back for Sunday.

Italia continues to strengthen its military by improving the efficiency of the submarines. Nya Gyptios and Siam expand by 5000sqkm while the Aymaras expand 10000sqkm inland. Nuovo Venexia, Nuovo Treviso and Nuovo Brescia expand by 600sqkm each while Inca expands by 4700sqkm across the South Pacific. Scandinator (talk) 10:47, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

What a war against Persia? Yeah I'm up for it. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 23:41, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

Imperium Guy, I am asking you to assist me (Persia) in PMII to r=defeat the Muslim invaders who want to take over our nation. A lot of ex-Orissan ex-pats will be fighting on the side of the Arabian Federation. I really hope you could agree to this. In reality, I do not want to die. I am willing to offer you tons of money in gold currency (7200 Darics ~ $10 million).

On a side note, the Balochistan/Sindhustan thing was the result of a promise Punjab had made with me to split the nation in half, based on ethnicity. The more Indian half would go to them, and I was to get the more Arab/Persian half. That is, obviously, on hold for now. PLEASE HELP ME! Reximus55 (talk) 08:57, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Initium Novum
Congratulations! For expressing the tiniest bit of interest in this game, and for being a trustworthy person in general, you have been appointed Mod in Initum Novum. Report to the Mod Page.

NotLAH: Netherlands - South Africa
Since the Netherlands are still fairing pretty well, I think a complete union or puppet state wouldn't make much sense. An alliance however would probably work. Mscoree (talk) 14:19, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I have no idea how that algorithim works. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:51, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Like before, I have you to thank for my progress in the game. I'll follow your advice in taking those bits of land, and I will be giving the Somali guy coastland simply because I like him. As for Myanmar, I wasn't annoyed at all. In fact, I thought I made a post stating that I understood and that i was just going to move on to Sudan instead (hence the reason I stopped expanding for 15 years to avoid that penalty). And I'll back you defense for as long as you need it. :) Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 15:22, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Dude, you can always trust me. :P

I'll put as much detail into my expansion a I can, and I'll make Kitara my primary target. In 1700, I'll be placing a colony in OTL Perth. You should settle north of me so we can monopolize Austrailia together. On the matter of reservoirs, I should start building some as well given Ethiopia's long history of drought. I need a safety net soon. And I did notice your unification of India. I suspected it was for the population bonus as I've seen that in 90% of you algorithims, your massive population had won the day. And on Adal, I noticed that myself. I think its a little wierd and I always thought that part of the map was the most inaccurate. Its a shame Africa doesn't get the same amount of attention as the other parts of the globe. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 15:43, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Awesome. I'll ask you for the experts when you post your turn. And I'll incorporate the vassals in the future for the bonus. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 16:02, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

NotLAH Map
Thanks for your expressed interest in making maps. Here are a few changes that need to be made on your current map.
 * Montana should be under US control
 * Pittsburgh (southwest Pennsylvania shouldn't be US)
 * Susquehanna needs to be added
 * All of Key West should be the Conch Republic (light blue)
 * British Columbia (the province) should be clear
 * British Columbia (the nation in OTL Vancouver) should be colored
 * Brazil should have all of southern Brazil, including Rio De Janiero, and be touching Bolivia
 * You should probably remove the zombies at this point since most of them are already removed from the map. Instead just show the nations' borders
 * France should be touching Brittany through the western coastline
 * Scandinavia and the Confederation of the Baltics (although holding strong ties) should probably be different colors since right now its kind of confusing
 * The USSR controls all of the Turkish occupied processions in Romania and should control all of the coast, into Bulgaria.
 * The USSR controls Crimea
 * Canada doesn't control Greenland
 * Jutland is not controlled by Scandinavia or the Confederation of the Baltics (uncolored)
 * The German, Italian, and Baltic city states of Brunswick, Lüneburg, Ingria, Livonian Confederation, Hesse, Oldenburg, Anhalt, Pomerania, Bavaria, Venice, Frankfurt, Oldenburg should be marked out in some way or left uncolored
 * The Teutonic Order should be colored
 * Austria should be colored
 * Oman should be uncolored
 * Alaska should control all of OTL Alaska, including the islands north of Vancouver
 * Japan should be cleared of zombies
 * Saudi Arabia should control all of OTL Saudi Arabia
 * The Soviets should control Turkish Rize, Erzurum, and everything from there to the border, and south to Lake Van
 * The EHU (use Saudi Arabia's color) controls Turkish Bingol, Mus, everything between Lake Van and Diyarbikar, Hatay, and the area near Adana

Thanks, Mscoree (talk) 13:35, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

If you want you can just leave the infected zone uncolored. Mscoree (talk) 13:40, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Okay sure. That way we can have the border intersect national borders, showing where zombies have infiltrated nations. Good idea. Mscoree (talk) 13:43, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

The Teutonic Order currently controls the former nation of Kaliningrad (the uncolored spot on the old map), and from Thorn to Memel. Here's a map you can use to get a general idea:   Mscoree (talk) 16:18, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Maps for NotLAH
didnt see anything on the page for expanding south Africa...is it supposed to be? I think i updated the map completly, but can you double check for me? Let me know how we can help each other out G greg e (talk) 15:34, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Awsome... so i need to add a providence to south africa and i think mine is up to date, minus zombies... when i update it (in about half-hour), will you add zombies to it? I think we should use mine as a base since i already too the time to clean up Europe and Turkey. Also we need to resovle the greenland issue w/Mscoree. As Candas post clearly said they were colonizing Greenland.

They are on my map... a lavanderish color (sorry but im colorblind Purple-Yellow) but love making maps and stuff lol. Anyway i think mine is fully updated now. G greg e (talk) 16:22, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Updated my map to reflect South Africa changesG greg e (talk)

I've combined some of the stuff from your's and Greg's maps. Mscoree (talk) 16:41, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Gotcha. Invading right now. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:01, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Also, I've made a request to the United Maharajya for help building those reservoirs we talked about. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:02, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for uploading the new map for Ethiopia. I found out how to count the number of pixels in a nation. Did you want me to do Orissa? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:32, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Always. :)  Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:34, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Will do. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:35, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Awesome. I'll make sure that Sudan's annexation is the first thing I handle. Also, I've finished updating your land sizes and pixel count. I just need to know, is Borneo apart of Mataram and Sumedang, or is it a seperate colony or vassal? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:46, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

No problem at all. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:47, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

I'll make the change immediately. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:56, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

NotLAH Turn Cycle
Please stop editing the turn cycle. It has been decided that we are using the three month cycle. You're creating an edit war. Mscoree (talk) 23:00, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Just so you know, Ethiopia threw its support in for Orissa in 1700, so be sure to add them to your coalition algorithim. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 04:11, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

Von
While it was no doubt needed, don't ever do that again without asking the rest of us. Lordganon (talk) 10:54, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

We won the coalition war right? So do we get to slice Rome up between ourselves? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:11, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the long response time. So we just take what we've got huh? Well, we can always invade later right? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 00:48, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Always cool to know you just won a major conflict between supposed superpowers. Now all the mods need to do is fix the algorithim or whatever, and let us divide the losers between ourselves. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 14:51, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

NotLAH: Turns
Please refrain from posting your turn after a new turn has begun. If you continue doing this there will be consequences. It's unfair since you can use next turn knowledge to influence your actions. Thanks, Mscoree (talk) 20:58, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

I understand, just try to write them beforehand. Mscoree (talk) 00:00, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

I take it you were the one who made me a chat mod? Thanks for the promotion dude! :P Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 03:46, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

You scare me with that dude. How bad are we talking? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 18:33, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Added it again. Also made it my sig. As for the colony, which one are you talking about? CrimsonAssassin- "You can't handle this egg roll" 18:36, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Good point. By the way, I already signed a non-agression pact with China, so no China war for me. I was cleaning up Ethiopia's page, and I was just amazed at who far I've come. From a primitive mountain kingdom in Africa to a powerful colonial empire. Brings tear to my eye just thinking about it. Thanks for all of your help by the way. :) Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 20:18, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Imp, Collie and Von are at war, and I see a chance to retake Madagascar by helping out Collie. Any idea if this is a good choice? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 15:30, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. As for the latter part, I'd be happy and able to. Just tell me what you'd like me to focus on while your gone. :) Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 21:41, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

DD
Given the recent proclamations regarding the PRC's intended expansion to the coast, the NPRC proposes a mutual alliance between Gansu, Guangxi and the NPRC. Economic and technological aid could be considered, if feasible, to help support possible future integration.

Canuck2012 (talk) 00:41, May 24, 2013 (UTC)Canuck2012

Initium Novum
Hello. I was going to be a player in the Initium Novum (Map Game), but when it was evidently losing steam I got permission from Gunsnadglory to become the new head mod for that game. I do not want to see the game disappear, so I was hoping you will stay aboard as a mod. You can see here for what I have started on the rules, and here  to see the mod discussion. My goal is to get all the mods who had signed up to join again. That wil give us 5 mods in total, and I'll try to recruit one more person, which is equivalent to the 6 regions and 6 religions of this game.

Please sign up on the talk page, by creating your own nation, and please chose a continent that is not currently picked by any other mod. Thanks, and please stay on board with me! Reximus55 (talk) 18:18, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Dynastic Union (PMII)
Hello, are you interested in a Dynastic Union between India and Japan? -Kogasa  2013 June 01, 23:36 (CET)

I was only asking since I'm going to be moving next month, and since I don't know if I can get internet connection in the hotels I'm going to be in, and how soon I'm going to get it again after I move and settle into a new place, I though I'd offer a possible Dynastic Union early beforehand so during the days I can't post, you could be able to post for me since India and Japan would be in a Dynastic Union during that time. -Kogasa  2013 June 02, 00:07 (CET)

Come to chat
Pls.  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 11:49, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Signature
How do you get a custom signature. Octivian Marius (talk) 17:28, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

No problem. And it is best you change that post, I wasn't feeling good then and just copied from yesterday. By the why, I forgot to post on two turns, but I posted everyday since your absence. And regarding Kitara, I'll finish them off soon. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 18:03, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

If you're regarding to the war against Ethiopia, I'm not joining it. The huge wars are getting ridiculous. CrimsonAssassin- "You can't handle this egg roll" 20:22, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

I really am sorry that I can't join, but I am literally friends with everybody here. Even then, Ethiopia and I are not on the best of terms. We have a contract preventing aggression because I don't want war. That's the extent of our diplomacy. CrimsonAssassin- "You can't handle this egg roll" 20:40, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

The Coming Storm
So how do you want to divide the Arabian Caliphate? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:58, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

im leading the Korean Revolution against the Europeans which force Koreas position in the world. Koreas having a shift in loyalty from Germany to its own people and that gives me a +10 motive as its in my hearltand and for my soveraignty. Im on your side. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 16:23, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

Do you think Collie would join our side in the war? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 16:59, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, do you want me to add your vassals and puppets as leaders in the war? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 21:15, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

Okay. Dean is on our side as you may already know, so we have to move Korea from the Arabian to the Ethio-Orissan side. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 21:18, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

Hah! XD Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 21:20, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

I just ran through the numbers myself. Looks like we win even without the leader vassals or the foreign support. And I haven't even added any of the additional bonuses to our side and losses to their side. We were right, yet again. This was a stupid war for them to fight in. :D Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 21:30, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

I hear you. I let my guard down and Von tried to go in for the kill. He shot down my invasion of Kitara pulling up the convenient fact that my nation could expand and develop its military and economy even though he had done the same before my invasion. I believe he saw the invasion as a part of his wider goals. Sneaky little fellow. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 21:40, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

Oh yeah, you forgot to add Korya to our side. Unless your waiting for Von to return to see the algorithim first... Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 21:42, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

Just ran the numbers again through a calculator, and we're very close to toppling their government. I'm mean like four percent ((55/(30+55))*2)-1) = 0.2941176470588235 (29.4%)). Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 21:46, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I'll do it. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 15:41, June 4, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Imp, who's edit count is being used for our side of the algorithim? Because Von was supposed to use my edit count for Ethiopia since he attacked me first, and his for Arabia. I just did the math and out side would have three additional points (+4) if we used my edit count, while Von's would only have two (+2). Also, if we are suppose to just use his count (since he attacked first), then we'd have +7 points. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 12:16, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Awesome. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 15:04, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I was about to type never mind when I saw your post. But don't worry, I already changed the scores. Also, can I add the "we're trying to protect our brothers" +5 score to my vassals? Von lowered them for suspecious reasons... <_<  Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 15:13, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

I do not see why not. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:22, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Great. The Ethiopians form an ethnic majority in Yemen, Adal, Maynila, and Khmer Koch, but Von states that he doesn't believe it (in spite of the fact I made it very clear thats what was happening in my turns). Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 15:26, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

I have permission to post late. It's not a day for me because I live in New York.

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Principia_Moderni_II/Archive_10#Request

21:02, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

No, it has been two days for you. It has only been 20-ish hours for me.

21:10, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Well Ethiopia had her time in the spotlight for once. Go ahead and make the deal. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 16:17, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

I am proud, but I'm the only person in the alliance who lost anything. I lost two vassals, a colony, and an outpost I didn't even know I had. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 16:22, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

I lost Yemen and Tasmania. Scan wanted before and used the war as a way of getting. Anyway, I won't be involving myself in anymore major conflicts or expanding any of my vassals territory. Especially not with vultures like Von and Scraw waiting for me. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 16:32, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

My router broke so I couldn't post yesterday, what's it to you anyway? Getting all hissey because we're at war. Wish you'd all chill out. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 17:12, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Nope Zanj is more important. I can't get spices and slaves from Yemen. Well not as many. The merchants wouldn't allow the government to destroy their main colonial economic hub. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 17:20, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Give me all of Yemen and I have everything I wanted from this war. If I don't have a reason to fight anymore, I'd withdraw. But I don't like the situation this would put my German allies in, as I'm in no doubt that you'd keep fighting them. So if I do withdraw then I demand Ethiopia and her vassals leave so its just the war between you and the German vassals in India. Or even better, the whole war ends. Or even better to my allies you agree to some of their demands.

Anyway that is what ifs I accept, there is a more pressing matter at the moment: why did you completely ignore what I said about the motives and change the algorithm? Its the reason why you went to war, not why you're still fighting. You can't do that, its cheating.

Furthermore you can't remove those nations, they'd joined the fight and you can't remove them just because its no longer going good for you. Those are not the rules. I find this really strange how you seemed quite clear of this rule during your war against the Romans and Koori, but seem to forget it now. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 17:40, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

You seem to be forgetting that both sides have to agree to nations withdrawing. Just like you didn't let Dean leave, I'm not letting them leave. Those are the rules. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 17:49, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

He still left anyway. Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:50, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

He left his nation to burn, you guys still got all of his land from the war. Sames goes for the Koori. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 17:51, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Fine Vivia did, whatever. The fact remains it didn't happen then, so its not happening now. If Viva wants to abandon his nation & its vassals like Dean and Hail did in the Fail war, then we will do that. He abandons his nations and it is destroyed by our forces just like in the Fail war. You didn't let them leave the war so they just left their nations and gave up in the war. I give you that choice, you can abandon the war and go chose a new nation or leave the game, and we'll completely destroy your nations.

Otherwise the rule that both sides have to agree to a nation withdrawing is what goes. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 18:06, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

It was established by precidence in the discussion of the Great Fail war. Me, Scan, Viva, yourself and Scraw all gave explicit okaying to this rule. To quote Scraw: "Withdrawal should only be possible in wars where the winners are receiving less than 5% of the land and it is a coalition war or only winners can withdraw from a coalition war. Why? Because it's just plain metagaming for losers to withdraw in fear of losing so much." To which Viva agreed with this statement and said: "Thank you. We might as well fight thin air given that 90% of the losers are trying to withdraw from the war." Another part of the discussion sees Viva saying: "The rules stated plainly that all players must agree to the retcon, and I as well as Imp and Scraw are against it." You then agreed with this statement. Scan also said: "I don't think its fair that you can lead in a war and then bail if you think you are losing regardless if the other side allows it or not. It's like France declaring war on Germany in WWII and then saying in May 1940: "Sacre bleu, the Germans are winning, can we have status quo ante bellum?"

This precidence is also backed up by common sense stuff concerning meta-gaming e.g. removing nations from algorithm half way through a war because the scores were corrected and you found out that the scores weren't as good as you previously thought. Its cheating.

There's also real life issues and protocol for withdrawing from a war - you got to establish a ceasefire or peace treaty. If the other side wants to keep warring with you then you can't just ask them nicely to stop. You've got to fight them off. These vassals are fighting in this war and our side isn't going to let them stop.

Anyway I'm going offline now, so to quote Viva as I finish: "Heck no, I like this war! Why do the losers always whine and complain about the score and this ditch the conflict when they lose? You picked a bad side and you lost. Get over it." <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 18:53, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

If a vassal nation stops fighting because their parent nations says to, and that vassal nation is being invaded, then that vassal will be destroyed and invaded completely because they don't fight off the invaders. Ergo, if we don't stop invading and they stop fighting that means we destroy that nation. So therefore I've just annexed Adal and Warsangali because they've stopped fighting and I didn't.

Plus the result of the algorithm isn't final yet. So the ending to your weak arguement where you completely ignore the fact that withdrawing from a war without both sides agreeing is breaking the rules like I've just shown, that you've in past upheld these rules and now disregarding them because they don't suit you. I didn't think you were such a hypocrit Imp. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 21:58, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

PM2 independent mod check
Hello, okay I've completed our algorithm to the best of my ability and hence I am locking it and leaving it to an independent mod check to decide if its correct. Hence there is a new separate discussion in which you are to raise any problems with the algorithm if you find them. No not edit the algorithm and instead put your problems with it in that discussion and we'll reach a consensus on the issue. Hopefully this will stop the arguments. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:00, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw the mods' confirmation. Had Von not messed with the algorithim we could have won. Oh well, guess we'll just have to wait till PMIII to succeed. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:54, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

Come on the chat. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 14:46, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

RE: What's Happening?
Here is some stuff off the top of my head:


 * The Middle East War ended with the Treaty of Dubai. Turkey was defeated.
 * Italy has started a large war known as the Italian War. It's Italy and Scandinavia versus Austria, Lombardy, Venice, Croatia, and Germany.
 * The USSR was dissolved, although less than OTL. The new Russian Federation still controls the Caucuses Region, and are allied will several post-Soviet states.
 * The Arab Spring has resulted in several Arab states reforming their governments
 * There has been a number of small conflicts in California and the US southwest, most notably the Texan Border War and the Californian War.
 * Ronald Reagan is president of Northern California, George Bush is president of Texas, and Harold Stassen is president of the US
 * Austria has become an emerging power with Arnold Schwarzenegger as vice speaker of the house. They are the leaders of the HRE, and have successfully invaded Liechtenstein.
 * The George Seaton film Star Wars was released and was a relatively unsuccessful film. (This article is pretty funny if you're a Star Wars fan.)
 * Yugoslavia collapsed into several nations
 * There is a general uprising to remove the UR from the Guianas
 * Other stuff I don't remember off hand...

Contact me if you have any questions about what's going on. Welcome back! Mscoree (talk) 22:48, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

Also we added a new Nation Scores page. Add your nation to the page and make sure you update the scores every time you upgrade. Mscoree (talk) 23:11, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

NOTLAH UR-South Africa
Let me know how you wish to increase relations, I am interested as well G greg e (talk) 19:37, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Imp, nor to sound like a sore loser, but I think I may just drop out now and play in PMIII next time. I made too many bad decisions in the past, and my empire has just been neutered. I have one out of five former colonies, three vassals, and my empire can't expand or else it risks being invaded by Arabia in the future. Everytime I ask for help, each of the players ignores me. I mean, I spoke to everyone, including Collie, and all refused to respond. Even when asking on a player to mod basis, Collie still refused to respond. I can't deal with biased mods nor mods who won't do their job outside of the game. Heck, I understand you must also be angry over the loss of so much land too, but I'm not as strong when it comes to planned acts of grand theft. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 21:41, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

While New Manchuria is one of our most important colonies, I am willing to trade New Harbin or Yuanshan in Mexico and South America respectivelly. CrimsonAssassin- "You can't handle this egg roll" 18:59, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

What is in fact up
Let me begin by apologizing if I offended you or anyone else in the chat with my hasty departure, as I did not mean to. The chat usually isn't my kind of thing, and it is normally populated by users with whom I am unfamiliar with, so I rarely have reason to sit around conversing with them, or even say hello, for that matter. On the other hand, earlier today I saw you were in the chat. Now, we don't know each other very well, but given who you are on this wiki, how active you are and all the stuff you do, I at least know of you. Thus, when I saw your recognizeable avatar in the sidebar I thought to myself 'Hey, if Imp is there, maybe something of import is happening in the chat!'  However, there did not seem anything worthwhile to be happening therein, so I left. I had kind of a busy day today, so I couldn't afford to footle about, I'm sure you understand.

Anyhow, I'm glad you took time out of your day to recognize me and ask how I was, that was rather kind, so thank you. You must excuse me, however, because it would seem my busy day is continuing, as my niece has just been born!

Regards, Jazon Naparleon (talk) 05:01, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Seeing as we both have a commom enemy in Germany, Korea offers your nation an alliance. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 02:37, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't ignoring your first message, I'm just not entirely sure how this chat thing works! Whenever I'm on althist, it appears that I'm the only one on chat. Do I just wait until you appear in the "Live! Chat" bar? Callumthered (talk) 20:35, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah can do, seems a fair enough trade. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:19, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

I can be on between about 5 and 10 pm, which is...4-9 in the morning in GMT. Yeah, I'll be on during that time, hope to speak then. Callumthered (talk) 23:17, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

And I just realised how appalling my addition and subtraction skills are. 5-10pm here is 7-12 in the morning GMT...I think. Callumthered (talk)

It's a yes, I thought saying: " Yeah can do, seems a fair enough trade" made it clear to you. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 14:52, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

We need to do something about Sindhustan. I suggest asking Seiga or Collie for their opinions.

19:45, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

OK then.

20:45, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

Sindhustan
It belongs to you, as you have the stronger claim. Besides, I  would think they'd like to be under a local nation rather than a bunch of German officials. Yank 17:42, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

It'd be nice yeah, Germany shall be reunited! <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 10:35, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Yes sir. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 20:36, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

And milk I shall. :P Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 20:52, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Well, it appears that our timezones shall never be in aligment. If you want to message me privately, you could email me: callumthered97@hotmail.com Callumthered (talk) 12:23, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Imp, could you be so kind as to post for me for a little? I won't have access to my computer for sometime, but I'll post when I can from my phone when possible if you choose to post. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 02:41, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

What do you mean by: "the NEtherlands does not get any German land, so just act as if the territory expansion never happened, lol. Plus, we are just about to win."? Have I missed some war that has happened? <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 11:29, June 29, 2013 (UTC)

Oh right, of course! Thanks for keeping me informed <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 12:42, June 29, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah I'll get to it. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 13:04, June 29, 2013 (UTC)

URGENT MAP PROBLEM!
Man. I do not share a land border with Texas! Chan Santa Cruz controls up to Mexico City, which is somewhat to the south-east of where you've placed it. See Here. Normally I would keep quiet to being allocated minorly more land (no map is ever perfect), but in this case - there is such a thing as playing fair!

David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk) 13:40, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

Yes. Thank you. Sorry for being so urgent but as I'm at war with Rezz. Texas I wanted to clear up the borders. What's the blue dot in North-west Mexico? David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk) 13:58, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Imp I'm back. Thanks for taking care of Ethiopia while I was gone. I like how you developed it. Now I have some idea as to how to govern the nation now that I've seen how you would do it. :P  Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 18:58, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

Because yours had already expanded. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 20:58, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, just tell me where you were planning to go with it, or I could let you finish this turn if you want. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 21:22, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

Hey
hey i wont be able to post for ever  1-2 weeks, so can you post in PMII and Notlah for me, and if you cant, can you ask someone else, thanks Yay an Edit conflict (talk) 22:11, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

Excellent. I'll expand upon that information. Also, I wanted to know if Ethiopia and India could test an intermarrying of citizens in the Ogaden, since we already have the language and culture hybrids. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 21:43, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

Compare 1740 & 1745, it has expanded. I can give you a bit more, but it won't be as much as the others as you've only recently had those territories. Which I don't entirely agree with you splitting it into 3 to expand more, but that is another matter.... <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 11:57, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

back
I see you didnt post for me, but its alright because i dindt get kicked for it. Yay an Edit conflict (talk) 15:58, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

I managed to spot it as soon as I got on, lol. By the way, could you do me a favour and post my turns for PMII and NotLAH for the next few days (like two or three)? I'll be flying tomorrow and it'll be a while before I can get internet again. If I'm lucky, I might be back at around Sunday/Monday.

If for some reason I'm gone for longer, just make sure my nations don't fall. -Kogasa  2013 July 05, 22:38 (CET)

Can you explain
As a non admin, how is it that I can return articles to previous forms? As you are an admin, I was wondering if you might know Local (talk)

Is it against the rules? it seems a bit weird, as a random vandal could just come on and destroy an amazing timeline like 1983 Doomsday, is it common knowledge? Local (talk)

OK, so the way that normal users can do it is only useful to revert the Vandal individually, not if it was interspersed with legit edits, but Admin can do it in one click, without breaking the timeline Local (talk)

How long do you have to be on here until you can be part of the TSPTF? I want to apply Local (talk)

OK, do you have to have a timeline? Local (talk)

So what, like contributing on 1983: Doomsday? Local (talk)

What do you need to be a constable? Local (talk)

I fit the ones that aren't votes, (I think), and by contributor do you mean on Timelines only or Map Games as well? Local (talk)

Well, not 6 months yet Local (talk)

So, what do you make of this war in Europe? Do we take advantange of it, or just let it run its course? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:00, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

If you aren't to busy, could you look at my Idea for a timeline, it is on the Timeline Discussion page, Enigma. Thanks! Mafia (talk)

Map Contest
The first Map Contest has officially begun. Go to the blog post New Wiki Event to see the propmt and timeline. Good luck! CourageousLife (talk) 01:11, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Hey man. Can you take care of Italia for 4 days for me please. I'm off in the snowy mountains to ski. If Bavaria or saxony fall lend italias support. Scandinator (talk) 09:35, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Why thank you, good sir. CourageousLife (talk) 19:02, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

??
Please tell me why you found it necessary to alter a page I have blocked and asked it be left alone, and why you altered my block on Mscoree? This was a huge no no, and I am extremely disappointed that you would've done this.

If you had an issue, you should've just brought up your concerns, not go behind my back and remove what I have done. I have reverted your "help", please do not let this happen again. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 16:51, July 8, 2013 (UTC) He has been informed by both LG and me about his negative attitude. He uploaded two insulting files to spite me, and you call him a "decent guy." Irregardless of what you see in him, that gave you no jurisdiction to go behind my back and not only alter his block, but give him a criteria on how to keep his page, and began to edit it on his behalf. That is not helping, that is simply frustrating. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 16:59, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Upgrading in NotLAH
You just upgraded your nationscore without posting a turn even.... what are you doing? G greg e (talk) 22:29, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Map Contest
I'll have one on in a jiffy.

No, as it happens, I moved to New York just a few weeks after joining this site. Apart from that, though, lived in first Chennai (where I was born), then in South Croydon my whole life.

Ha, great minds think alike. :D Apparently we have too many great minds, lol. Can't wait to see what you can magic up. Should be interesting!

21:36, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

I'm back. Took me longer than expected, but I finally got internet again. Thanks for looking after my nations. -Kogasa  2013 July 12, 21:17 (CET)

Imp add me if you have messenger or facebook. fabi_carsa@hotmail.com, Edgar Fabian Carrascal Salazar. We must talk. ASAP.Sine dei gloriem (talk) 02:36, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

Are you going to sign Mscoree's document?

HELP, we need you too block Old Bay, from Chat, he is spamming Mafia (talk)

Here is what I planned, A Canada like nation that will remain mostly to the North, leaving almost all the south open to other nations. my furthest south are would be the Italian/German border now.

TSPTF Discussion regarding Lordganon
Hey, Imp. That is such a long time since I talking with you about my ATL India. I already saw a discussion about Lordganon in TSPTF talk page and I keep monitoring it for about last two days. I don't want to directly involved on those matters, so I think it is better for me to discuss the problem personally with you instead to join the discussion.

I admit LG's behaviour and manner are critically authoritarian and autocratic. Every time I want to discuss something about my TL with him, he always ignoring me. He is the kind of a guy that always said "That's not plausible!", "That will not working", etc. without giving me any alternative plausible ways to do something on my timeline. To be honest, I myself is the person with short temper and if I can, I will talking back to him in same bad manner (and in caps lock). But, I always respect him in person since he is our "leading admin" and I also don't want to get banned from this wiki.

I really understand about your and other fellow of the "Map Game Party"'s open appeal in TSPTF talk page. LG is really has "dictatorial syndrome" and everyone must admit it. Everyone must giving LG "an alert", so he can fixing his attitude by himself.

However, this wiki itself is a "police state" that tightly controlled by TSPTF. LG's autocratic behaviour is come from this kind of authoritarian structure. This wiki only has TSPTF as the supreme institution and the TSPTF is like the military oligarchy where the members choose their own replacement and the appointment of new member made by the TSPTF itself. LG is the person that cannot removed and no one (including me) want to remove him too from the TSPTF. His strictly discipline attitude is the natural manner of good leader. However, he is uncontrollable and the TSPTF cannot controlling him, even instead he controlling it.

Imp, I truly understand that you are the TSPTF member too. But, we must realizes that autocratic LG is the product of this wiki's non-democratic structure. Even how bad his manner to me, Lordganon is forever the leader of this wiki (it is my personal opinion). No one can replacing him and no one is as capable as him these days in this wiki. I know the appeal on the TSPTF talk page is just an simple alert for LG to change his attitude, however it also can leading into LG's impeachment. Imagining how this wiki without LG is horrible for me personally and I don't want it happen.

If I can suggest, that is better for this wiki users to establish a kind of parliamentary institution or sort of it that consisted by all of the users. That new institution will not only act as the discussion place like TSPTF talk page, but also will protecting the users' personal rights. The check and balance between the admins (TSPTF) and the non-admins is very necessary, so there will be no abuse of power in future such as LG do now. --FirstStooge (talk) 22:55, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Of course there's a check and balance. Any idiot can impeach a TSTPF official (as is being showed), and non admins outnumber admins heavily. If an admin truly deserved to be kicked out, and all the non admins agreed, he would be out on his ear.

Unless, of course, Coup d'etat.

July 20th. A small group of high ranking officials used a flaw in the system in an attempt to take over Nazi Germany and end WWII and Nazism. July 15th. A small group of high ranking officials use a flaw in the system in an attempt to take over Althist Wikia and end the Ms-LG wars and Totalitarianism. Lol dreams... BTW First you do realize the wiki has had like 4 leaders right? Nik, Ben, Mitro, and now LG.

No, but in all seriousness, let's just hope this blows over.

Yes, I already realizes about it few months ago when I did the job for replacing old welcome template. Did they retired or something?

Well, I hope so this silly conflict will going to end as soon as possible. I just going crazy about how pro-Ms new users (a.k.a "NOTLAH Party") really want to remove LG recently. They are still immature to realize how important LG's leadership for this wiki now. However, I'm still afraid that NOTLAH Party will continue their effort and doing any further actions against LG (and then the admins, maybe) in future which later can put this wiki into anarchy. FirstStooge (talk) 05:45, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Basically. Mitro's still on occasionally, Ben recently quit.

Completely agree with you there. Ms and his cronies are just trying to stir up trouble. If they wanted LG to change, they'd leave a message on their talkpage. No way to back down for them now, though.

@Guns Sorry for late reply. Everything is so slow in here. I need to wait for 5 minutes just for open Google start page and also 7 minutes just for send a message to my friend. I cannot even open this wiki in internet browser throughout the night with bad internet connection.

I'm glad the thing finally is over. That is one lesson I learned about this situation: Ms and NOTLAH Party is just want to get attention. They just defended their Map Game and want to have fun in this wiki. But, LG's usual strict discipline toward them caused misunderstanding. Then, it is should being only their personal matters (between LG and Ms) and other users like me don't need to take it seriously

@Imp No problem, you don't to apologize about late reply :]

I just learning something about LG since this situation happened. I always viewed him in bad perspective before, you know? But, strangely, this situation opened my eyes about how important LG is for this wiki and I'm now viewing him in a new, different perspective. Although he always treat me badly, like I'm nothing in this wiki, but still he is an admin and there are more other admins beside him like what you said. He is just the one-of-a-kind between the admins. Nothing to take his treatment for me seriously. He is just different and the ones (NOTLAH Party) who want to dismiss him just because he has a different character than other admins is just a bunch of silly goons.

FirstStooge (talk) 23:27, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Affiliation
Hello, Imperium Guy. I am WikiBuilder1147, co-founder of Infinite Histories Wiki. I have come here to ask a small favour: if we could become affiliates with you.

Ours are wikis sharing the same topic: alternate and fictional histories. It is because of this link that a situation where Infinite Histories shares an affiliation with AltHistories is most desirable.

Please give this request some thought and reply on my message wall here!

Thanks! WikiBuilder1147

I think affiliate means merge, but not sure Mafia (talk)

It doesn't actually. Affiliate basically means to associate with. Essentially, we would like to associate ourselves with this wiki. WikiBuilder1147

Help
im trying to get the U.S.A. involved in my tl ww2 and im trying to think of a plausible way for F.D.R. to declare war on the Entente.

the tl is the lusitania lives could you give me a hand?

Nkbeeching (talk) 00:51, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

NotLAH Indian Unification?
Hey Imp, I have a proposal for you in the NotLAH map game, India is currently divided in two, between the Muslim Neo-Mughal Empire (me) and the New Hindu Indian Republic (affiliated with you). Tensions are pretty high right now, and I don't want a war with you (and Russia, darn it!).

But what I am suggesting might seem like a strange idea. We have talks in game to reduce tensions and discuss possible unification ideas. I think it would increase the security of the subcontinent by a large margin, and it would also strengthen the GUITO when I decide to join (which is soon).

Obviously, I don't know what you will think of this, and I get that the whole Muslim-Hindu thing might make things complicated, but let me know what your take on all of this is.

Thanks,

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 00:06, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

NotLAH
Heyo you really should make another page for the CSTO in order to preserve the history of the former CSTO as a public organisation and its charter, and the new now private organization and its charter. At least Archive the previous charter and member list if you can. G greg e (talk) 00:28, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Invalid Parameters
Could be that you are uploading an invalid file type that the site does not recognize. Could also be that the file is too big (either in size or bytes). Could also be that the site is acting up. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 03:34, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

I don't play it. I'm not sure my crappy computer will be able to handle it. I'll download it to see if it works. If it does, I'll contact again and squad up. :) Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 17:34, July 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, I can send some from Borneo and Java. I of course cannot be too open about itTrust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 00:02, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

I meet all of the requirements, I just lack the proper video card. I'm gonna try to run it anywhere just to be sure. :D Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 17:39, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I'm waiting for the launcher to install the game. My handle is Vivaporius, what is your's? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 17:50, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Handle, username, their both the same. I was just too lazy to type username. :P

Oh, and if you haven't done so already, feel free to add my to your friends list. I don't think I can yet since the game is still installing. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 18:18, July 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Things are about to get very interesting indeed.Trust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 23:54, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Community Messages
I suppose that you can, in theory - what would you want to add? Lordganon (talk) 07:34, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

Power to you.

Really too busy to do anything with it. If time suits in the future and I see a decent topic, we'll see.

Lordganon (talk) 12:31, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

HDW
Hey, I can't find your user. I'm playing the Germans (should have gone Soviet). Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 05:04, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

SOCrelo
Hey! Remember this game? Well, I was bored and deccided to remake it.

Join.

No, really. Join.

(Guns, who is too lazy to write out his sig)

RE: SOCKPUPPET
I do own the account, however, it is inactive and I can't remember the freakin password for it. I should probably delete it. OreoToast555(Talk)(Sandbox) 20:32, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Please check the contribs on the user page for proof that i dont use it. OreoToast555(Talk)(Sandbox) 20:32, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

For all I care, i want that old account blocked. OreoToast555(Talk)(Sandbox) 20:47, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Imp, bad news. My family just moved, and our place doesn't have wi-fi. So I won't be posting like I use too until we get it in a week at most. I'll be posting from time to time, but don't expect me as much though. :( Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:57, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Show/Hide Code and Collopsing
These are the two links i found. Unsure as to which would be better for the wiki or more compatable.

http://dev.wikia.com/wiki/ShowHide and

http://dev.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Collapsing

There are directions on how to implement either on those pages.

Thanks for any research you can do, and if possible I think it may help the wiki if we could implement one of these, as to which could help more, ill leave that up to you and the admin team.

G greg e (talk) 23:35, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Why are you withdrawing all aid? WTF??Trust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 20:56, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

I see..... I wish you the best of luck in these, um, endeavours.Trust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 21:08, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

It slipped my mind, I've had a busy day, oh i sometimes wish I had a timeturner, or a Tardis, but oh well.Trust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 21:12, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

I would like to ask for Orrisian aid in gaining Independance, and our survival is uncertain without Your help. Thank you DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 15:55, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Imp, I'm getting ready to work on project about an alien species, and plan on it to be quite extensive (tech info, society, culture, military, etc, might as well do something with my free time). However, before I begin, I wanted to ask you just how expansive their civilization should be. Do you think they should be constrained to a single solar system, or span multiple star systems? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 04:35, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

RE:Just Some things
Given that such projects like the were continued here, it doesn't sound too farfetched to assume some military projects would also be continued. Though it would depend on how the USSR spends its new wealth. While space is one thing, expanding the military may be another &mdash; especially when the Cold War is over and things like infrastructure and domestic tensions being more crucial to the continued existence of the USSR in the '90s. But if the Soviets are anything like the Americans in military spending, than I couldn't see them saying no.

During the Cold War, the Indo-Soviet relations were excellent (it wasn't until the end of the Cold War that India moved closer to the US). Given such cooperation ventures like ATL, and with China quickly rising, I would guess they would still be very close. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 21:53, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. And no problem at all. :) Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:50, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Sure. I'd like a small piece of it at least, and would like your assistance for a war with a certain nation in the future though (not Arabia). Don't worry, its a small one. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 13:54, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Indeed I am. :P Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 14:36, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah I see. Bad news, just found out my aunt is showing up to help us look for work. While I don't mind it, its the futility of her taking us out to the suburbs for jobs we can't hold onto (I don't have a car, and my mom won't let me drive her's because of increased insurance). I'll be able to play later in the day, but don't expect me to return until 2 or 3pm. -_- Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 14:50, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Yo! I'm back! Won't be able to play though. :(  Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 18:31, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

On my way right now. :D Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 17:37, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

HEEELP!
On the chats, a user named Ilikehistory is spamming everyone. I know you're a mod and you're helpful, so can you do something about him? Bfoxius (talk)

Re:A bit overdue!
Really?! But, wait, what is 'overdue' means? FirstStooge (talk) 12:44, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Republic of the Congo
I noticed that you crossed out the Republic of the Congo from the Democratic Republic of the Congo's domain. The Democratic Republic of the Congo (as an NPC) conquered the region decades ago, I believe before you even first signed up for South Africa. Because of a map error, South Africa colonized this area, but I believe this was in error. If you want you can try to contact the Congolese in-game and discuss border disputes. Mscoree (talk) 23:05, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Depression
Have you noticed how all the, ahh, newer 'generation' of althistorians don't use talkpages for diplomacy anymore? Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 15:00, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Chat? Hailstormer (talk) 20:52, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah. I remeber some of my most beautiful pieces of- haha- 'diplomacy'. I don't think any of them could have been conducted via chat.

But it's not the ending of an era. All the senior map gamers still use talkpages.

On the other hand... I just referred to myself as senior... things are changing.

By the way, this might be interesting...

Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 14:09, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

I feel your pain of the next generation. XP

19:59, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Well, this is quite random, but I appreciated your feelings! :D

23:20, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Right, I almost forgot. I have 2 years in November.

Though really, there are many users who technically started later than me but are still more senior; Scraw for one, MP for another. Remember, My first three months on this wiki I edited one article.

My nomination
Well, you are right about I deserving this nomination. LG is really the best. :)

note: Your user talk page already need to get archived, Imp ;) FirstStooge (talk) 00:41, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Yellowstone: 1936
Can I joined Yellowstone: 1936 as Taiwan? FirstStooge (talk) 08:30, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Greetings.
Hi. Crim just handed me the controls for Of Clockwork and men.

Why? I don't know. He thinks I put more effort in...

But I do have some idea's as to where to take it. Given that you signed your name up could you do me a favour and drop idea's or suggestions on my talk page please?

David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk) 15:39, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Bwwr. Um. Rather a lot. Me and Crim hashed out quite a bit together. Um. heres a copy of our correspondance, bar the bits with me badgering him  to hurry up.

From me to him:

Hi. An idea I had. Feel free to incorperate or lambast it.

Right: Social changes occur around once every 200 years. So the Promethean Revolution will set back the social media age by around 50-100 years.

The revolution in the 60's, sex, drugs and rock and roll would be set back. Longer lasting victorianism you said. I agree. However the longer WW1 will alter things too, prehaps increasing support for the 'common man'. So whilst it is set back I see it as begining around 2000 with the emergence of Rock and Roll (I'll detail how that is possible later). And in Cuba. Why Cuba? Because Cuba is a colony of Spain. If they don't have independence by then then it will be a symbol of the freedom movement, which I imagine would be quite strong by then. If they are free then it will be less likely but guitar music is Spanish and in the post- colonial generation prehaps it feels like the chains are off?

As for how it would work... Whilst electrical guitars are out of the question I firmly believe one could construct both an amp and an alternative (prehaps a slightly different sound) guitar utilising advanced Prometheus devices. The more I think about it the more it makes sense. Clockwork could make music I reckon.

But this is just me... I know not what you have planned.

Good voyages,

From Crim to me:

A: Wilhem is going to start an arms race with Britain. The idea will be that Britain and Germany will have the best Steampunk armies. Britain's got all sorts of clever contraptions and faster vehicles while Germany will have fearsome machines of war that will just wreak havoc on all kinds of things.

B: I definitely plan to have a Great War analogous to WWI, though it will be larger, last longer, and have all sorts of things. It may last very well into the twenties. I plan to have some interesting war stories. Not gonna give away too much because I like surprises (and the idea hasn't been refined too well), but the Red Baron with steampunk technology would be cool, wouldn't it?

C: I'm not sure how I want the war to end. I may actually have it become a cease-fire with no real winner.

D: People are going to be paranoid. The 20s will be an age of fear rather than post-war hype and celebration.

E: The 30s will be a breather period. People are less afraid of Germany and it'll be kind of like the Roaring Twenties, except less post-war joy. Still a feeling of paranoia. Anticipate more inventions that look even more grand than they were before the war. All this leads to more spending and more debt. I'll have prohibition come into play and, eventually, the Great Depression in the late 30s or early 40s.

F. The 40s will be the Great Depression. While all these companies are going under, steam-powered machines will be built on a more personal level rather than mass-produced. You'll have these gadgets falling into the hands of criminals like the Mafia. It'll almost be like the OTL Depression except crime will be much more rampant.

G. Not sure about what I want to do in the 50s. I might do World War II, but it'll be Japan being the culprit instead of Germany. I'd like to explore how the Clockwork Age affects Asia.

H. Aside from your idea, I don't know what to do for the 60s and beyond.

From me to Crim:

Right. Ok. I understand. the only reason I seem desperate to crack on and keep pestering you is that in September my major exam year starts so I can't do much until late June 2014.

As for what would happen afer the 60's... I have acctually given this quite some thought (mixed in with other notes):

I reckon that: And here's why: I will post more ideas when I have them...
 * Things will go seriously pear shaped.
 * Metal. Whilst I make no claim as to know the true extent of metal depostits it would seem that this world will use them up faster than ours. I notice oil becomes redundant (good), what about coal? if it does not then the same applies.
 * All this mining as people franticaly try to get the last reserves may lead to mass destruction of rainforest etc. Global biosphere damadge.
 * All the metal shaping etc going on will produce pollutants... Climate change on a large scale. Unless... not sure on this point as oil is not used.
 * Either: no space exploration, due to lack of reason to do so (ie comms sattiltes started it and these aren't invented) or mass exploration driven by colonisation or companies mining...
 * UN or LoN becomes open to applications by multinational companies.
 * Communism takes off massivley. The Great war, followed by the depression... and victorian era factories. BOOM! (possibley in France since the Great war took place there, most damadge, if stalemate...)
 * WW2 note. Russia and USA vs Britain and Japan is how I see it going down. USA and japan are leader in the war, over China. Could go either way. Britain and Japan might clinch it.

'''That's it. See also timeline and pages in the category.'''

David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk) 16:38, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Right ta. I don't know acctualy. Theres no use of oil so would that shave enough off the temperature? I'm going to put a whopping great big note after the end of the Great War saying that stuff after this is purely tangential.

I've revised my opinion, I think prehaps Russia goes this world equivilent Fascist (wanting to unite the slavs), France Communist, Spain civil war commie/facist with more interference, facists eventually win. Russia ends it's differences with Japan, who follow the same path as otl with expansionism etc.

Panama is the more... danger prone canal with a ongoing guerillia war between pro-US statehood (with quiet but large US support) and anti-US statehood factions (with public support).

Idea's for the Ottoman's? I know they would probably break up... prehaps the area becomes more piratical?

David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk)

Yeah. Wow that's a good read. But it's a thousand years time... so we might see large storms towards the end of the timeline but... still ta that was a very diverting half hour. Nuclear? If you can argue well enough...

David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk) 11:21, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm. Anglo-German? Sometime in the future, but ww1 is Brits vs Germans. That is canon and has been from the start under Crim. Right. Good ideas I think yeah.

David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk) 09:15, August 25, 2013 (UTC)

Wiki news
Hallo, hallo!

Heard the latest? Bfox is nominating Scraw for TSPTF (if he accepts).

Funny thing is, I discovered this while going to Scraw's page to suggest exactly the same thing!

Thoughts?

Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 15:44, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Seriously? I've seen tons of nominations where it wasn't another TSPTF official who nommed the nominee.

Well, I say tons. I can think of 4 and only 2 suceeded (Owen nommed Smoggy, before my time, and Lx nommed Crim).

But the important thing here is this strange rash of reading  of minds. This is the fourth case on this wiki in the last 2 weeks (well, they started two weeks ago)

Oh, and happy independence day!

It's true.

9:30, actually. But I can't post tomorrow so, well!

African War
Please calm down. I asked you to withdraw from Angola and you refused. Then you threatened the Netherlands and flew planes into their airspace. I think at this point it's time for war. We can sort out the Netherlands once and for all. I'm open to hearing anything else you have to say. Good luck, Mscoree (talk) 15:18, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

You can't unattack someone. Changing an algorithm like that is unfair. It's already too late. Mscoree (talk) 15:46, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

Plus your total population (in 2013, no casualties) would be closer to 96 million. Not sure what you mean by "250-300 Million on the subcontinent", but if you're referring to India I think you're mistaken. It doesn't appear that you have any colonies on India. Mscoree (talk) 15:51, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

As it turns out, Greg isn't a moderator and therefore cannot set your population to whatever you want. You have to keep your numbers as plausible as possible. My population is about 200 - 225 million, while Russia's is about 145 million, during this time (that's including zombie adjustments and lack of the west coast). Mscoree (talk) 15:56, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

Again, I don't see any claims in India. Mscoree (talk) 15:57, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

I ran the numbers and your population is actually about 75,000,000. Furthermore, your Indian puppet is not in the nations list, and I don't remember it being a part of the Indian occupation. Mscoree (talk) 16:17, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

When I figured out what 10:30 BST was, I realized I wouldn't be there. I should be back around 11:30 - 12:00 BST. Sorry, Mscoree (talk) 16:48, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

South Africa
I am not targeting your nation. I am targeting terrorists residing near your nation. Daeseunglim (talk) 16:10, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

So the jet was shot down by terrorists, and I am being cautious. That is all. Daeseunglim (talk) 16:18, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

PMII
Yes, in private if possible. I was talking to you in chat but you never responded! Also, Happy Indiapendence Day to you too :D

22:39, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

PMII Peace
Here. You get the more populated and industrialized areas of Carnatic. The algo would've given you between 8-9%, this is roughly 10%.

21:26, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Chat
Meet me in chat. Daeseunglim (talk) 14:31, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

Just finished up some work. I'm ready. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 20:13, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

Well I'm really busy this week so I'll doubt we be on at the same time to chat, so just do it via talk pages. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 09:22, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

Imp, don't know if you saw, but you have invaded Rex's lands. Thought i would just give you a heads up just in case you missed it on the talk page. Hailstormer (talk) 10:21, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

I nominated scraw for constable. Vote! Vote! Vote!

Excellent. Most Ethiopians already speak Hindi as a second language, and a hybrid language already exist (but with little info on it). So we can begin immediately if you need to. :D Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:09, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

I just saw it. Feeling good. Oh, and I got bombs and better ammo for my plane on War Thunder too. So I'm feeling even better. :) Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:47, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Sure go ahead, I don't have any use for it anymore :P Airlinesguy (talk) 06:19, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

Its whatever that nation owns, e.g. if the leader nation has 2 vassals, a puppet and 4 colonies, then you can take land from either the leader nation itself, the vassals, puppet or the colonies. But if you were just fighting the puppet as a leader then you can only take territory from the puppet (unless that puppet had its own colonies, vassals or something). <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 18:42, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

They're not puppets, clients, vassals, or protectorate. Think about it this way. In PMI, everyone had those colonies that they gave independence to, right? They didn't get V or anything and were controlled by the player because they were former colonies. Same story here. Anyways, if you were in my position, how would you feel if I decided to take land from something like Rajputana, or Mataram, or Uttarshina? You would argue endlessly, as you are much more debate-ish than me.

20:51, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

That's not the point...I thought anyone would have been able to understand the message. *facepalm*

21:04, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

Reximus55
Hey, Imp. Rex was sending you a message on your talk page at The Banned Wiki, take a look. Please judge wisely about his defense regarding the NC/NC block on him.(I cannot stay too much longer in the wiki and write my own statement about this matter on my own blog post now because I got a bad headache today). Thank you. FirstStooge (talk) 11:54, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

And there was light.
Join.

And mod.

You have no option. The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 18:12, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

No, Imp, really, please join.

The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 14:11, August 25, 2013 (UTC)

Get us the map, Imp! We start September 1st!

The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 07:56, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Wow
I created that using Inkscape like what Nuke recommended to me. I took some elements from the Flag of India, the Seal of Karnataka and the Seal of Tamil Nadu, then I combined them together to make this one. I got the inspiration from the flag of Dravidia in Their British America TL, created by ChrisL123. :)  FirstStooge (talk) 12:38, August 25, 2013 (UTC)

Imp, I told you to join and mod, not join, mapmake, and mod. The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 09:30, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

What do you mean I'm contradicting myself?

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Hi
Meet me on chat now please?

David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk) 15:04, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

I approve! I'm glad to see Red Sun getting some attention. CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 01:07, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

Go make your claims on the talk page. :D Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:20, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

1983: Doomsday Nation Template
I made a nation on 1983 doomsday, and the Flag won't show up Regroupement des Gévaudan (1983: Doomsday). Can you take a look please? Mafia (talk) 16:29, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Ms fixed it Mafia (talk) 16:54, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Britain is yours. Since I led the conflict, by logic, I should get more land. But I'm not sure about Scraw. I swear, if he does anything stupid, I'm taking what I won by force. I'm not giving up anything anymore. I'm tired and its not fair. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 20:22, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Imp, don't worry about Britain. I'm going to make this work. From here on out, what happens, happens. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 20:51, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Imp, Scraw and Crimson invaded my lands. And yet you wonder why I planned to invade Crimson beforehand. Looks like I was right. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 01:37, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

Anything to turn the tide is welcomed. I look foward to the victory. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 14:07, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

What I did was necessary to the continuity of my country as well as many other countries. I have asked the other collaborators in this war to not attack your nation because you are my ally. If you side with Viva, I cannot guarantee the safety of your nation at the hands of my war allies. This is not a plea to join me; this is a plea for you to be neutral. Your best course would be to tread lightly. CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 16:59, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

Chat doesn't work on the network I'm on (I'm all over the place during the day). Do you have Skype? My contact info should be on my user page at the very bottom. CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 17:08, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

No worries. So my idea for the Hobbits are basically Homo floresiensis that didn't go extinct. We could keep them the way they are in OTL or we could evolve them a bit to make them more... Frodo-ey. Perhaps we could have Homo floresiensis split into a hobbit-esque kind and a kind like dwarves. CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 17:19, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

Also, on Europa, we should have something along the lines of intelligent mantis shrimp. CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 17:22, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe a bit shorter. 4.5 feet maybe? CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 17:49, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry if I am being annoying, what is the Enviroment (plains, forest jungle or whatever) on greenland? Mafia (talk) 20:13, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

I always pictured Greenland to have a forest jungle, but it's what Imp wants, Mafia. Imp, regarding the wars, I think it's a great idea. CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 20:18, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Imp, greetings from the Great Haruwin and may you be blessed with many guanacos, yadda yadda, etc. :-P

I'm looking at building a colony in your neighborhood next turn (well actually near New Zealand) and wanted to check it with you for a few reasons that I'd rather not mention publically. If you have time to chat today, let me know. Also we haven't really been in contact much besides trade, but we probably should start seeing as I have a budding alliance with your Ethipian friends and we have the same long term game interests. Commandante Lemming (talk) 13:50, September 10, 2013 (UTC).

I'm around for about the next hour or so. Commandante Lemming (talk) 20:46, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

Mumbai (PMII)
I'd like to buy back the enclave that I had owned in India, because I realized what a boon that is for me. Yank 17:55, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

It's just that it's a direct trade connection with one of the wealthiest powers in the world. This means I get it back in 100 years, right? Yank 20:04, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

If this game is like the last it's ending in 2014. That's not going to work. Can you go on the chat?



Sorry for taking four days, but i had been busy until now, so here is my plan of borders for Maranhão-Naya Punjab, including the territory you wanted:

--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 21:19, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, i almost didn't notice.okay.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 15:16, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

Can you let me write about the border agreement in 1825?--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 17:05, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

Oh cool. A Neu Berlin-Georgia union. Hooray! Thank you, my good sir. Thank you very much! :D

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I will. I'm gonna need a strong friend.

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Yes, show Guns we must. The Royal Family and Reichstag will flee to Neu Berlin this year.

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^ I have a supernatural sense. Say my name and I know of it.

Or, umm, type it.

Can you give me a link to AAH? I've lost it. The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 18:11, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

Imp you around? I'm in chat. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 18:34, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Imp, how did you make that map of United Terramyde? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 20:39, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Why yes, yes I do. I've been trying to make planetary maps myself, but never knew how. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 20:48, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. :D Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 21:10, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Recent Map Upload
You ,um, tilted this...

I like it

OreoToast555(Talk)(Sandbox) 21:40, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Imp, you might wanna drill it into Rex's weird head that he's not getting Georgia. You, my good sir, are made of sheer brilliance.

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Hey Imp, the Emperor of Ethiopia is seeking the daughter of the Maharaja's hand in marriage now. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 01:49, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. #GermAnatolia

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Frankenstein Monster
Glad you like the idea - and South America is definitely screwed up in the religion department, especially Chile and Argentium (they've been under Dutch, Welsh, then Orissan dominance in succession). Those colonies are the perfect incubator for a "false messiah" who wants to change the world order. I'm trying to think of the best way to do it to assure that it gets the mods' attention rather than just letting it die (which is what happened when I practically gift-wrapped an invasive species disaster for them). I'm more than happy to give the group some influence in my territory - as my Northern Lands proably have a lot of people who aren't fully Christianized and my next Prime Minister is going to have a bit of a secularist and nationalist streak, so he might temporarily give refuge to someone that gets run out of De Mor Tir on a rail...at least until that person becomes a problem, And I'm sure we can channel the movement so that it spreads into neighboring areas.

So how do you want to set it up?I'm thinking some sort of Christian-Native American fusion rebelling against Hindu oppression - of course led by some charismatic messiah-figure who thinks he can talk to angels or is the last prophet or something (maybe like an ATL Joseph Smith, but more militant). The doctrine should end up being pretty distant from the established religions so as to differentiate it from Christianity or another source religion. Thoughts?

Also - on an unbrelated note - you hold a bunch of ex-Welsh territories, which means you probably have diocesezs of the Apostolic Church in South America. Do you want to keep those running and have a vote on the leadership?

Commandante Lemming (talk) 03:33, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

You on chat? If not I'll just leave stuff here but if we're both on it's easier Commandante Lemming (talk) 21:06, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Based on your thoughts I'm thinking we can do something that looks a lot like Baha'ism - some guy says that all the main religons are true and all in the same line of prophets, that he's the last prophet to unite the world and bring peace - or course he would probably "bring peace" by running roughshod over the borderlands wher the Selk'nam, Orissan, and Japanese influences all stat to blend together and central authority is weak. Commandante Lemming (talk) 21:11, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Let's just keep it on the walls for now - I'm actually not going to be around in a half hour - maybe later tonight. If we want to plan anything TRULY nefarious we'll set up a chat time tomorrow. Commandante Lemming (talk) 21:12, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Hey I'm finally online! I'm ready to kick some nerd ass on this motherducking wikia page!

Nation Switch (PMII)
When is the switch going to go down? Yank 03:06, September 21, 2013 (UTC)

Of course, of course. Give me a couple minute to put the map together okay? :) Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 14:49, September 21, 2013 (UTC)



Here are my territories. I keep the list up to date on the territories page as well. I forgot I had Mauritius and Reunion, so you have those as well. Plus, I just established two new colonies at OTL (Buruk), and OTL  (Baridi). And I gotcha on the map. Oh, and on the unnamed colony, might I suggest "Rajata" for all the silver in the region? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 15:04, September 21, 2013 (UTC)

Why thank you. And no problems with the merging. I was planning to do so by the 1860s to avoid mod-sponsered Balkanization of my nation. And nice move with the rioting statement. Thanks for the save. And I will do my best. :P Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 15:12, September 21, 2013 (UTC)

Ah okay. I'll fix the post. And no problem. :)  Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 13:16, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

If you would.

BTW...

(Sheepish smile)

How do you make a template?

Hay
Hay. I is be back on now. :) FP 19:37, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

So, the map game...? FP 21:18, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

Colony Exchange
Hey Imp :D I'd prefer not to sell that part of my colony if that's okay because that's where my colony actually began and it has my most important trading hub etcetcetc, sorry :( Airlinesguy (talk) 01:47, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

It's Time!
Thanks for the thumbs up! Yan Hoek (talk) 09:58, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, ok, nothing lost nothing gained. :) We'll still be allies though (United Sutanate and African Imperium).

Speaking of which, the United Sultanate offers Orissa an alliance.

DS|The Rainbow Machete 12:08, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I kind of dropped off over the weekend. Checked back in for the week so if you want to launch som craziness in South America, the next few days are a good time. Any more discussion or should one of us just write? Commandante Lemming (talk) 19:44, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

Sounds good - was trying to keep up with that exchange lol Commandante Lemming (talk) 20:04, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

Re:My (Second) First Endeavour on Inkscape


For your second endeavor on Inkscape, it's not half bad! A few things to note, however. The white sun and blue background is in OTL a symbol for the democratic republic of China, so I'm assuming this timeline deals with a non-communist China. Note, however, that you still have a communist element or two, mainly that gear in the bottom center (I'm not so sure about that building, I'm not a big Chinese history buff). Also note the circle around it has "ears of wheat," another big communist symbol. So if this China is democratic, you may want to remove these elements.

I've actually once made a non-communist coat of arms for China in my No Napoleon timeline, if you'd like to see it. I've drastically increased the size of the sun to fill basically the entire circle, and removed the communist elements. If you would like to use it, by all means. But again, for your second Inkscape work, it's pretty good :) ChrisL123 (talk) 01:04, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

Brother
Me. You. Chat. ASAP.

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Wrapping Up
No way the ANZC sends anyone, or helps in any real way. Most they can do is send supplies and help train the UIP troops. Anything else would be a very bad idea internationally.

As for the image, I changed it to refer to them being state reserve forces, akin to the US National Guard, and added a bit about that Guard to the Union article. Also put the caption line in the right spot. When we do the states/territories/members of the Union Parliament, we just make one have a flag that would somewhat resemble the US flag if blurred.

That is more or less their Allies. They'd have support on some level from the ADC as well, I think, but no aid.

Yes, when fighting is over a new public works program is definitely in order, combined with a repair program in the new territories. No more SAC aid will make this a priority.

They will remake the state of Assam - some sort of Union territory, like the status of Alsace-Lorraine in the German Empire, and presumably the other reconquered territories, mind, not a full-fledged member at this time - and add Tula Nada to whatever state is in that area. You'd have slight autonomous zones built into Assam for each group, of course - such is more the nature of the UIP, and the only way they'd have gotten established so well in the first place.

People would remain there. Nor if they did move them would there be any way the world did not find out.

Lordganon (talk) 14:47, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

I did respond to the first post before, lol.

Yes, I know the news post you mean, Imp. But that and what you did to that map were't the same things. Think of it this way: Can't incorporate areas into your state that aren't part of it or under its control already. Exactly the case there. Moreover, nothing mentioned in the article about it. You missed the first part about it not really being "your" map, too.

That map is better, but not so logical in a few spots. Expand them all at the same time, not individually. For instance, look at where the Free State and the League expand - you've got the League going south along State borders, and then the Free State going north west of there - if it were "logical," then about half of that area of League expansion would be Free State. It's just not logical, really. Not consistent, overall.

The OFS would no doubt encourage "white" immigration - they'd probably encourage it from India too, come to think of it - but that would be about all they could do. And you're right about them taking resources where needed.

Lordganon (talk) 00:56, September 30, 2013 (UTC)

Got more or the land between the League and the OFS to the Free State, and extend Watersboerland into the OFS expansion a bit.

Europe, mostly. Zimbabwe would really have very few left by this point. Your figure for the number getting to the Free State is too high.

South African population in 1983 would only have been about 30 million. At best, 15% white - there was 19% whites in 1960, with about 3 million of them total. About 4.5 million as of 2011. No way on earth that there was 7 million of them in 1983. And, for that matter, blacks would still likely outnumber them in the Free State. And, for that matter, the area is only about 10% white today, in addition to having about 2.8 million people. Anything more than 3.5 million total isn't happening.

AIDS would still be fairly bad, imo. Just without the years of preventative efforts and medicines that there has been otl. Though, not as bad as in otl.

Yes, that would be the position of Indians in the OFS. They'd have to come on their own, though. Not only is the OFS landlocked, but also not all that wealthy Definitely encourage immigration, though.

Doesn't conform to canon to have them fighting like that, nor does it make all that much sense.

No way the ANZC would let them "peg" it. The Rand would probably be worth somewhere between the Dollar and the Mark, though.

Lordganon (talk) 11:49, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

Doing some hunting around, turns out my guess of about 15% was actually dead-on for the period in question.

I did not say that there was 3 million whites at that time. That was the 1960 number. Not the 1980-1985 number, which I also found to be about 4.5 million.

There is no way they could start off with two million. Quite honestly, that makes no sense whatsoever. Nor would that be a "focus" - survival would be. You aren't going to have 4.5 million of them. Not even remotely close to that number.

The highest population that the area has ever had is the current population of 2.75 million. There mere concept that there could be more than a shade over 3 million people there is, at best, ludicrous. And, at most, a third of that number would be white. Not anywhere remotely near 7 million.

The regions occupied by KwaZulu and the League have high populations otl. Of course they are going to have high populations atl. Got nothing at all to do with emigration from elsewhere in South Africa.

The idea that there would be that many people moving there from India is just as bad. There is going to be very few Indians coming. At most, you'd see tens of thousands come to Southern Africa - and most would probably go to KwaZulu, where most Indians in the region live. Few thousand to the OFS, at best. And they'd have started as refugees long before 2005.

Don't know where you got that Mark:Dollar conversion ration, but you had it backwards. The Mark would be far weaker than the ANZC Dollar, but your ratio actually had is being stronger. Each ANZC Dollar would be worth 40-50 Rands.

Lordganon (talk) 04:39, October 5, 2013 (UTC)

Brother
I can't. My brother needs to do something for little. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 17:55, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

Never mind that, I just handled the issue. Yeah I can chat. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 17:57, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

Is Operation Caesar 2.0 a go?

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If your still on, we can chat. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:24, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

Affirmative. Will I be cooperating with Brown Bear or Black Panther? Or both?

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So Brown Bear is helping, is it not? I don't want to get into this and have White Neighbors join in before Brown Bear scares them off.

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Gansu Map
Twice so I know you notice, lol.

On one hand, to make a point about not going over maps made by others. On the other, to remove a very random expansion that was not in line with the article content, or logic.

Could have sworn I told you this at the time, actually.

Lordganon (talk) 18:22, September 28, 2013 (UTC)

Minced oath
I will use "mustard" instead as the minced oath later. Sorry for my misbehavior today. :-) FirstStooge (talk) 12:11, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

No need to do that. It is already my job for devoting totally to the betterment of this wiki. :) FirstStooge (talk) 12:43, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

Chinese Fascism
It sure does, but I realized a while ago that I was going to cover the same ground (a Fascist China) in Close Encounters of the Third Reich. So, yeah... --NFSreloaded (talk) 13:01, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

Dammit Imp, I'm the Doctor, not a predictionist. Are you going to join the war or not?

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Ah. Can I get a population estimate? I think roughly 100 million ish?

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Could you come to the chat please. Sine dei gloriem (talk) 20:17, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

Yunnan (Doomsday)
Do whatever you want, just talk to me about it. Yank 22:50, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

Hi Imp :)
Hi Imp, I think (since it's 1840) that you and Viva have swapped back and if so can I buy the little slot of land next to Cyrenaica off you? I'm open for negotiation about it :) Airlinesguy (talk) 01:35, September 30, 2013 (UTC)

Yunnan Again (Doomsday)
I like the idea of Yunnan expanding out of Yunnan. Yank 17:20, September 30, 2013 (UTC)

My idea is that Fu dies, and the communist regime collapses with their beloved leader's death, leading to a democratic government. Yank 17:26, September 30, 2013 (UTC)

North by northeast. Outside Guanxi's area of influence. My idea of Yunnan is that Fu dies a few years after 2002, and the resentment indirectly caused by their democratic neighbors comes to a boil. After a short civil war the entire nation is under the control of the democratic rebels. They then establish relations with Vietnam and Guangxi, officially bringing them onto the world stage. The insane delclaration of war on Siberia is reversed, though neither was noticed by anyone. Yank 20:15, September 30, 2013 (UTC)

Okay thanks Imp :) Do you want to transfer now or in 1846? Airlinesguy (talk) 00:36, October 1, 2013 (UTC)

I was talking more 2003-2005. But that works too. Everything else sounds goood. Yank 14:09, October 1, 2013 (UTC)

What I meant was that Fu dies sometime in 2003-2005.Yank 17:25, October 1, 2013 (UTC)

A'asab
Hey - since it looks like you're back in control of South America, the new religion thinkg needs to be posted ASAP if possible. The origin myth is already posted on Viva's page, but it's up to you to decide how rampant you want to let this dude run. I've calibrated the Selk'bnam government to be able to provide shelter to A'asab (the founder) but to keep it plausible I'm going to eventually have to collapse my despotic anti-clericalist regime (that's going to happen in 1845 under my current plan). If it take a little longer, my despot is going to be allowed to survive in a newly independent colony on OTL Tristan de Cunha, so he will be available to provide aid from there. Commandante Lemming (talk) 19:07, October 1, 2013 (UTC)

sounds good - That will allow them to infiltrate my North at the height of instability for a uyear or two and gain a foothold that they can keep even after they don't have the despot's protection. Commandante Lemming (talk) 19:11, October 1, 2013 (UTC)

You know what? Do whatever you want with Yunnan, just leave the preexisting stuff alone. Yank 20:05, October 1, 2013 (UTC)

Yunnan III (Doomsday)
I've made dozens of articles, and I'm mostly focusing on Principia Moderni II now. Plus I've collaborated with others on said articles before. Yunnan itself was a product of a partnership between me and Vladivostok. You seem to have good ideas, and as long as I can review your changes and approve of them you can do whatever you want. Yank 22:10, October 1, 2013 (UTC)

As long as you listen to any issues I may have we'll get along just fine. I've already listed you as an official collaborator on my userpage.Yank 22:18, October 1, 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to go with Vietnam's American-inspired government, or at least something like it. Partially because I wrote the page and partially because the user who made Guangxi hasn't posted the specifics of Guangxi's government. Yank 00:02, October 2, 2013 (UTC)

When did Lesotho join NUSA? Why wasn't I informed?

The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 22:16, October 2, 2013 (UTC)

ISIRO! I forgot about that. I have a shite load of back-dating to do now...

Go ahead, but only about NUSA.

Oh, and could you play as California in SOA5 Revived?

Well there's a loophole there. Access can be a verb or a noun, so you either can access the whole page, with restrictions on editing, or you can only access part of the page. In this case, it's the former.

Grammar Nazi FTW.

Ye. I got bored with Yoda.

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Mwahahahahahahaha..... >:D

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I have three dififerent sigs on your page alone. :P

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Lol. This is my....sixth? Seventh? Idk.

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15,0001 edits. Congrats. Sounds like you need a new sig. (Check Scraw's talkpage).

Arrival
Hi! I just came across that cool history line, and in the Talk Page I saw you're the one adopting it, so I came here to see if I can be of any help, if you're interested I would like to help you out on improving that one, thanks and good luck! - Vincent Mackay (talk) 17:19, October 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * I would like to know your ideas for the project :) that way I can continue with them - Vincent Mackay (talk) 18:11, October 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Lol, ok Just tell me what would you like to continue myself and I'll do it (I will draft the Idea and tell you later once I finished before uploading it to the site) - Vincent Mackay (talk) 23:11, October 7, 2013 (UTC)

Doomsday Articles
Lordganon has already begun attacking the RTFA articles I made. Would you mind backing me up? He is citing some sort of clause that says he can veto an adoption, therefore making all my articles invalid. He's already removed more than 55% of the content from this page, and has called this one pointless. The other stubs I haven't yet worked on are also marked with a notice saying they are invalid. Anyway, I am now basically banned from Doomsday in general, considering he can veto any article I attempt to make out of spite. I also anticipate a ban from the wiki, as I am now officially "refusing to listen" and "disrespecting an admin", not to mention "breaking the adoption process". Thanks, Mscoree (talk) 01:43, October 6, 2013 (UTC)

He's decided to edit my pages as follows: Mscoree (talk) 02:59, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * RTFA
 * French Polynesia

New Section
Fair point about new sections.

You can generally ignore a lot of talk page discussions, Imp. Moreover, I don't see any such references on that talk page. Where'd you see it?

For that matter, those figures are really not so possible. And ignore a lot about DD South Africa. Both the RZA and Volkstaat, as well as New Britain to some degree, all have large amounts of the pre-DD white South African population. There's also some in KwaZulu.

In any case, that reference would mean something akin to the white population in that one area of the country only. Still not accurate, mind, given the history of the area.

Past that, you need to take into account just where the white population lived.

A bit over 40% of the white population in South Africa lives in the Gauteng Province - basically, the Pretoria and J-burg Metro areas and a bit of rural land.

A bit more than 20% lives in Western Cape Province, centered in Cape Town.

The next highest such number is about 10%, in KwaZulu-Natal.

Eastern Cape Province has a bit under 7%.

Limpopo Province has about 2.5% of the white population.

The remaining three provinces all have between five and six percent.

These percentages are fairly consistent historically.

In only four of these provinces is the white population over nine percent of the total population - Gauteng and Western Cape, at 18.4%, Northern Cape at 10%, and the Free State at 9.5%. Mpumalanga and North West have it at about 7%, KwaZulu-Natal and Eastern Cape in the four percent range, and Limpopo barely over two percent.

Except in League and KwaXhosa territory, these populations are going to remain fairly stable. And even in League territory you're still going to find some - just too many to start with. Very few in KwaXhosa, mind, as that's an area with almost no Whites prior.

It is quite literally impossible for there to be that many whites where you argue there is. Or those populations, overall.

As for the reproducing part, just not in their culture.

How they would stay dominant? Same way they did in Apartheid South Africa. Guns and Racism.

Imp, there simply is no way to support that many people there. There's a reason why it has the population it has. You're also vastly overstating fleeing population numbers and giving far too much importance to towns and industry, a lot of which would be wrecked anyway.

Actually, many could not have gotten out. Ships, shipping, and the ability to use or afford them are all limited. There's also the chaos in general, both at the destination and point of departure. Nor are the Indians unaware of the racism in South Africa towards people from India, which will not help. The OFS is also inland, and an area where there is very little people of Indian descent - most Indians are in KwaZulu-Natal, with the rest being in Pretoria and Cape Town. The OFS is also inland, which further hinders such movement.

Really, most Indian immigrants are going to settle in Cape Town, New Britain, or Durban, not inland anywhere. A few tens of thousands in the OFS is actually far more than I think could possibly get there, even. Few thousand, at best, truth be told.

Heh. Explains where you got it, then - but still makes no sense. I changed the two figures around in that article.

Lordganon (talk) 02:14, October 6, 2013 (UTC)

Here are some of the numbers I got:

Transvaal had a population of around 1.4 million whites in 1960, so we could assume a pop of around 1.6 million by 1980 pretty safely. I couldn't find the data from the 1980 census which would be hugely useful here. Around 870k ended up in Volkstaat and Heiligdom. So we have around 700k left, of which a good number likely died. So we could see OFS with an influx of around 300k whites. OFS had a population of about 1.9 million in 1980, about 20% of which were white. Adding 300k people would boost that number to around 30%. Assuming mass conscription of white refugees, with white control of military hardware, starvation amongst the poor, and black uprising against whites, we could safely assume a death toll of 300-400k blacks, and 50-100k whites, giving us a current population of around 1.6 million, with 36% of that being white. So over a third of the population is white, which would be a very good number for keeping an apartheid state going.

Thats some initial numbers to start with, we can make adjustments from there.Oerwinde (talk) 05:37, October 6, 2013 (UTC)

Still can't find it on that talk page, lol. Meh.

Half-right about the RZA. Yes, it was a warlord regime. However, it was an Afrikaner regime. Just a more moderate one in some ways, as it accepted "Coloured" people into the regime (basically, those that are white and black mixed). SA actually did more or less that following a referendum a couple months after DD (which obviously would not go forward here) otl. What it amounts to is that the Afrikan-speaking Whites and "Coloureds" were in charge, and ruled over the "Blacks." Many Asians - thought not Indians - were forced out, along with English-speaking Whites, to New Britain, where they settled.

About 400k Whites from the northeast also fled with military forces and formed Volkstaat in the West. So that decreases both of the numbers fleeing. I think you're also underestimating the number of dead. And, for that matter, Waterboersland would also have been a drain of quite a few.

It's not a "African mentality." Moreover, it's just not culturally something that would be as acceptable. You don't just increase such numbers in a few years.

Majority would actually go to Kwazulu. New Britain would be second, if that helps.

Overall, it actually doesn't. Think about it this way - with what it said, it said that the Rand was worth far more than the ANZC Dollar, something that we know is not true. It was about the equivalent of someone saying that the Turkish lira is worth vastly more than the British Pound, which we know is not at all the case.

As for the cost, even that works out. All the ships would have been doing in New Britain is sit in port, rusting. Either sell them, or lose them. Far as I can guess, the number would be about right for the ships being sold for somewhere not much over scrap value, too. But, to make it sound better I slid the word "each" in there.

Lordganon (talk) 10:13, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, Arstar's work has more of those things in in than I'd care to admit. Should have seen his stuff before I cleaned his articles, lol.

Yes, the Cape article does seem to indicate that Indians were not included in the troubles there. Any other people from Asia were not so lucky, though. And yes, Gandhi would have bean a big part of that one, lol.

Actually, the province that KwaZulu is otl is very tribal as it is. The chiefs of the individual tribes are still very powerful even today, and the Zulu King still holds a great deal of power, despite not having a role in government. For that matter, the bantustan of Kwazulu that existed from 1981-1994, covering most of the state of KwaZulu, was entirely tribal, and would have been what that state was based on. n addition to that, virtually all the tribal institutions of the Zulu people are still very much intact, and it was only because of the ANC opposition that they did not become official government bodies otl. If anything, the article understates the tribal aspect of the state.

Yes, I get what you're saying about the deaths. Thing is, the white population in South Africa lived (and lives) in their own separate areas. And there's no way that the army is going to be able to get to them all. Anyone left in these areas is going to be in a very hard place, petty fast. In addition to that, the fighting in J-burg and Pretoria was bad, with the SA government even bombing some areas of those cities. The deaths would be at least 100k more.

Map is good except for three things: Tone down the OFS expansion somewhat, as well as the left half of the NB expansion, and expand the NE section of Watersboerland a little.

Lordganon (talk) 12:02, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

WBL should expand a bit from that easternmost upward spike of land, too. And that part of the OFS right next to it should be toned back a smidgen more. Better overall, though. Lordganon (talk) 09:39, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

No worries.

Actually, it's generally been considered that the floods did happen, but slightly better than otl.

Hurricanes, general rule of thumb is that they still hit. Would be a good chance of it being a little more mild, though. Hits the same area, mind.

Yeah, Dissolution is probably pretty good by now.

Lordganon (talk) 06:18, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

I'd imagine that the impact would be something akin to otl, with regards to the hurricane. Similar amounts of deaths and damage.

Just means that reconstruction, overall, will be longer and more expensive.

A note on Ms - about half of what he posted to you on here isn't even remotely true.

Lordganon (talk) 12:51, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Quite frankly, I have been giving him space - had I followed the rules, he should have been blocked both the first and second times he tired it. But because he freaks out so blood much I have to give him more chances.

At this point, even if he miraculously decided to follow the rules - not that he will - I'd object to it. He refuses to listen to anything, and the article would end up on review very fast, I'm sure. Not going to go through something like that nonsense again.

The SAC won't care. Kind of a "you made the bed, now lie in it" thing.

The Zulu are actually doing that already.

Would be the backbone of it in many ways. Not that they are capable of doing much - nor is the rest of them, really - but they are probably the strongest.

Can't see there being joint military operations. I think that they really don't have the ability for that at this time.

Those lines wouldn't work.

Ask questions anytime, Imp.

Lordganon (talk) 16:37, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Quite frankly, Guns listened to us, and could be reasoned with. Ms does not listen, and can't be reasoned with. Whole different scenario.

Yes, very hypocritical.

Just because they live in cities, etc. - though you're going too far in that direction, this is Africa, remember - doesn't mean that they aren't still very tribal. You're mistaking the term "tribal" for something like "primitive." there is a difference.

With regards to joint exercises, those states are (somewhat) scattered over the area. It's not like they are inter-connected, geographically. Nor do they have any real power beyond their immediate borders.

Waterboersland, white-control. Similar population specs to the OFS. Really, it shouldn't be in the NUSA at all - Arstar just randomly declared that, despite logic.

The OFS could remain the way it currently is. The population is much more in their favor now, and international pressure remote at most. Basically, none of the factors that caused SA to do it otl would be the case here.

The Botswana page really isn't all that "right" when it comes to the map. But not as wrong as you would think, either - except for the area around Gaborone, the area not included in it on the map is basically uninhabitable desert. You can basically just assume that Botswana controls all of this. That map, for that matter, doesn't even include expansions that the author did before vanishing.

You're mis-remembering, Imp. What I said about Canada was that there was nowhere such a thing could exist, but that some sort of new "religion" based on the concept - I referred to it as "Spockism" - could work. As for a location, the only one I suggested was a mild foil to the Star Wars one, based in New Rochelle, New York.

Thorium is only just now being looked into for that otl. No way it is even on the table anywhere atl.

PAK-FA would be years down the road still.

Map's good now, fyi.

Lordganon (talk) 11:14, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Japan PMII
I don't mind. I plan to the Go-Shōtoku Restoration take place sometime in the 1900s (along with the dissolution of the Shogunate), but I can push it back to around the 1870s. -Kogasa  2013 October 07, 07:04 (CET)

1983: Doomsday

 * gasp* hadn't paid attention to my page in a loooong time. I almost let you and your evil India win! :P

Expect the SAC getting into Asia because of this. Iran and my ex-Soviet nations sound delightfully conflictful. Gonna start writing the reaction right away.

Also, yay for significantly similar views. Fed (talk) 00:02, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

have fun with A'asab now that he is officially gaining elnlightenment (or losing his mind lol). Let me know if you need any creative and crazy ideas for his sect. BTW if you're modding now please bring up the fact that mid-1800s was a time of huge religious upheaval and a lot of small sects came out of it - Bahais, Mormons, Christian Science, Seventjh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, all mid-1800s products of increased access to information, printing, etc. In the real world, A'asab would only have been one of many - and it's worth noting that we havent seen the rise of any pacifist sects yet...which seeing how war crazy our PMII world is, one thinks that a pacifist message would find a very large audience..Commandante Lemming (talk) 02:20, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

Here's the one I wrote up for Viva a while back. Does this suit needs or should I work on a new one?

''In the far Northern regions of Patagonshina, bordering the lawless jungle, the educated son of a tribal elder becomes disillusioned with the succession of colonists who have occupied his land and the various foreign beliefs they have enforced - Catholicism, Apostolicism, and now Hinduism. The lad, named Sapa Huacan, fasts and flagelates himself in the wilderness, begging the heavens to show him whether any of these religions are the true path, or whether he should follow traditional native religion.''

''After three months in the desert, an emaciated and dazed Sapa Huacan wanders back into his home village. The locals are concerned for his health, but he refuses water and immediately begins yelling in the town square, "I have found enlightenment! Hear the word of the true divinity!"''

Many of the townspeople think he has gone mad, but he continues, "I beat myself for ninety days, and on the eighty-seventh day, satisfied with my penitence, the angel of the true divinity appeared to me in the form of a bat! At first I thought I had gone mad, but for three day the bat taught me the history of all religions, and I required neither food nor drink nor sleep, yet was refreshed. I tell you today that all religions serve the same god, Hindu and Atlantian and Christian, yet have become divided by an evil spirits which the angels call "the grasshoppers". This grasshoppers have devoured the good fields of our minds and made us fight one another, not realizing that we all once served the same spirit. This is why the angel came as a bat, because as bats eat grasshoppers, so we must purge these spirit grasshoppers from our minds and unite ourselves!"

''Sapa Huacan goes on for three hours illuminating the village, and some become convinced by his knowledge. Finally he concludes, "All the prophets have come in succession but have been divided - Krishna, Moses, Buddha, Mohammed, and St. Maughold of Konip, but I have been called as the last prophet to united the divided strands and defeat the grasshoppers - and have been given a new name - Sapa Huacan is no more, his life-force has merged with the divinity, and this body will now be known by the mystical word by which the lost ancients warded off the grasshopper spirits! This body shall be know as A'Asab!''

Haha. Yeah I guess you could just say a new religion arises led by A'asab and direct people to read the origin myth on the talk page so they can cope with the doctrineCommandante Lemming (talk) 18:53, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

LOL sounds like fun. And I'm happy to function as a "creative consultant" for this religion going forward (and for anything else the mods want to see happen frankly). I'm pretty good at story writing so if you guys are looking for added "color", I'm happy to create characters and doctrines that help make the game interesting. Commandante Lemming (talk) 18:59, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Imp!

I was just wondering, ahh, could you help me with this? I'm creatively out of ideas.

Yep. Looks like the wiki is getting back up. Fed's back, Von has posted a bit (rudish, but I agreed with him on that PMII talkpage). Lurk is backish.

But they don't replace the fallen. Alas for AP. Ditto Mitro. Ave atque Vale.

And they are replaced by those who write such immortal prose such as:

"we building our own spaceships to defend our planet. "

That was Warman.


 * sigh*

In fairness, Guns, not all the newbies are bad (ahem *cough*).

Also Imp - while I'm thinking about it - since you're a mod now would you mind posting as my nations in PMII for Saturday, Sunday, and Monday since I will be out. I'll write out a base template post but feel free to have fun - you'd be posting for the Selk'nam, Yagich Rafael, the Praetorate of Pure Science, and the Apostolic Church, so some fun options for mischief (just be nice to my recovering democracy lol). Commandante Lemming (talk) 02:51, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

kk. Let's talk on the talk page.

~Scraw 22:17, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

RE: DD
Sure, I'd be happy to help. What should I start with? Mscoree (talk) 13:21, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

Okay go ahead. I'm on chat by the way if you want to talk that way. That might be easier. Mscoree (talk) 13:30, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

Do you have a map of this Antartica in the Pacific?

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I see. Well, I'm not too sure of this whole Antartica in the Pacific thing, but we definitely need something in the massive Pacific.

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A little... Forward planning
Ok, so remember our plan with P-L?

Just got a LOT bigger. Just had a chat with Scraw, Crim, MP, and Sine... well... message me and I'll explain.

Nvm, I have time now.

So basically, we've reached a little agreement. What we'll do is basically this; first we help them (down in the Med) take out the Ottomans, then when Russia is ready we burn down Rex!

I may have to throw in a mutual military aid pact, but apart from that we have all of them set. If you and Lx agree, then the Coalition of the Two Seas... will be ready... FOR WAR

Three seas, my bad. Baltic, Med, and Black.

Shite. I assume I'll need to run an algorithm to take these guys out? CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 23:51, October 13, 2013 (UTC)

Me you chat ASAP.

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Well, i ran into the same problem that Russia had in Siberia.i am focusing in expanding Brasil inwards, but apparently, the biggest number for expansion one can have is 300 pixels.since all the black territory i claim has over 76000 pixels, this means i, by usual means, would take 253 years to occupy it all, even if i spent every year expanding (so, i would finish expanding in 2107) and in OTL, practically the majority of it was already occupied in the 1970's, so i don't know exactly what to do, so i was thinking in maybe expanding like Russia (don't adopt numbers for expansion, but expand within plausibility, and this was done because by usual means, he would take forever to get Siberia), but i need support from anybody else for this, unless you got another suggestion.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 08:48, October 14, 2013 (UTC)

You are not understanding.Brasil isn't a colony anymore.i made them a dominion similar to OTL Canada, so, since they are technically independent, i can't use colonial rates with them anymore.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 20:23, October 14, 2013 (UTC)

question
how do  i undo an edit i did because i accidentally undid some corrections made by eoguy and i undid some adition which i did myself to the timeline, which is an absolute pain Nkbeeching (talk) 22:04, October 14, 2013 (UTC)

yup i undid the edit and added what i had originally wanted to so its all good. have you looked at that timeline by any chance? i know i jump from timeline to timeline but i get writers block on one so i jump to the next one XD  i will cpmplete them all and eventually get into writing chapters but im working on them at my own pace XD. i ask because i always love a friendly opnion

Nkbeeching (talk) 22:10, October 14, 2013 (UTC)

Arstar and Articles
Noticed that you're trying to adopt an article of Arstar's.

Prior to his "time away from the wiki" (his words, not mine), he told me to watch his articles for him. Been a long time since then.

Considering things, about time I started handing them out, eh?

The article you want is yours. Have at it.

Any questions about his articles, just ask me.

Lordganon (talk) 09:31, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Chat? Hailstormer (talk) 19:19, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Doomsday
I've been thinking. You know how LG doesn't like Ms (can't blame him, after the thing)? Well, I've noticed that most of Ms' DD articles seem to get... ahh... waylaid. Most of them need fixing, but LG whips out the obso option maybe a teensy bit too soon?

On a TOTALLY unrealted point (yep, totally), will you help me on the Kisangani Republic page? Really. I need your expertise!

Yeah, same. I've basically realized that I work on DD way better than I do on individual TLs, so I'm back to working here. Two new Rock Bands coming out. Hey, if you want a rapper or something, I could arrange that, too. Just, umm, give me some ideas, cos I know nil about rap.

2Pac's dead. Was in New Tork when the nukes flew.

Eminem, though... he might have survived.

I prefer not to think of it that way. Reminds me of all the idiots who want to kill the whole thing and make it into an actual map game.

On the other hand.. Isiro might rule the world!

How To Adopt
Since you have adopted a number of 1983 articles I was wondering if you could explain to me the correct process for adopting articles. I tried asking Lordganon, but that didn't exactly get anywhere, and now he said I'm looking at a one month ban. Here's what I did previously. Tell me what I did wrong:


 * Contact the creator or most recent caretaker and ask if you can adopt the timeline (if it is an open timeline or collaborative project it may be necessary to contact more than one editor before you complete this step). If he or she says yes, you may adopt the timeline. If he or she says no, than you may not adopt the timeline. If you get no response after one week, go to step two.
 * Sent Mitro a message here. I asked him about each article.
 * Leave a message on the portal page stating your intentions to adopt the timeline and ask if anyone objects. If no one objects after three days, you may adopt the timeline. If there are objections, go to step three.
 * I left numerous messages on all pages, especially the portal/base page for the series of articles.
 * Listen to the objections and try to reach a comprise. The issue might be solved by simply sharing control over the timeline with the other editor(s).
 * I attempted to have a mature conversation with Lordganon here (at bottom), but it didn't work.

What would you recommend I do differently? In other news, he said the edits on OMF actually made the page worse. I'm going to keep working and hope one day he reads it. Thanks for your help. Mscoree (talk) 17:06, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

Southern Africa PMII
So, what lands would you like from Tojiko, and what is your plans to split up Southern Africa? -Kogasa  2013 October 16, 22:50 (CET)

When I said that, I meant on how the area between Ethiopia, Orissa, and Tojiko would be, because I plan to continue expanding for a bit until I get stopped.

As for the algorithm, well, I decided to make one since the Byakurenites were not going to be easy to take down. -Kogasa  2013 October 17, 00:01 (CET)

Hey Imp, would you be willing to sell New Zealand to England instead of Italia? I think due to its links in ATL to the British Isles, it would be a realisitc deal. Also for War Thunder, i should have some time tonight :) Hailstormer (talk) 11:29, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Is it possible to grant Poland and Slovakia freedom, but they still be Ina confederation with Germany? Sort of like the Russian Federation, separate nations that cooperate with one another. I don't want to completely loose them, but I see their desire to be more free.Trust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 16:38, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Ah I see, spice things up a bit eh? Ok next year Germany will begin the process of granting autonomy to Poland and Slovakia, should it be vassals or puppets? What's the difference here?Trust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 16:50, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Yes you can begin the process. I'm not entirely sure what the difference is between vassal and puppet. Also on the bold thing, I'm on an ipad so, it was an accident.:)Trust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 17:00, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Another Random thought bubble - noting that Scandanavia and Rusia keep arguing over Finland. Have you considered partitioning the country to make them both happy. There are plenty of pro-Russian revolts everwhere else - you could easily pick one province of finland where the economy sucks and have them revolt, forming a pro-russian enclave vassal within Scandinavian Finland.,..say, maybe the Province of Satakuna. That would give Lx the baltic coast he wants AND create a Kaliningrad-style situation where Finland has ethnic tension for years if not centuries. Let me know if I pester too much but I like having a creative mod who looks for ideas, Commandante Lemming (talk) 16:40, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah that would work too. And the boers thing is wild - the rampant trading of colonies in this timeline has probably caused so much tension between waves of ethnically differing colonists that you've probably got stuff like this everywhere. Oh - and if you want fun laterI just realized that the Selk'nam agricultural scheme is a looming ecological disaster. My economy is totally dependent on kelp-farming and I'm reverse engineering fertilizers for use in kelp aquaculture as I industrialize. So I'm pretty much dumping craploads of primitive chemical fertilizers DIRECTLY INTO THE OCEAN. Something tells me that will eventually become really good for algae blooms and really bad for fish. This timeline's version of Greenpeace is going to hate my nation so much someday. Commandante Lemming (talk) 17:00, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Oh wild is good - I would'nt want to live in this timeline but from a game standpoint it's great. I'm big into degree of difficulty, and this makes things harder.

As for the Greenpeace-analog, I have every intention of antagonizing them. Best as I can figure I'm whaling, dumping fertilizer in the ocean, using penguins as a protein source, and colonizing MULTIPLE pristine subantarctic econsystems with high levels of isoloated endangered species that remained untouched OTL (Kerguelen, NZ Subantarctic, etc.). I'm totally prepping myself to be Public Enemy #1 for the Eco-Movement in the 20th Century - and making their life hard by being otherwise a beacon of liberal freedom and human rights.

And have fun with the Bohemians lol.

Commandante Lemming (talk) 17:26, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

LOL. Well hopefully you'll eventualluy have me as as partner in crime on the mod panel. If I ever get in the planet would probably start biting back - I like to read and there are more than enough loopholes to exploint in terms of disease, industrial backlash, invasive species, eco system damage, etc. People post a lot of little things they probably don't realize can go wrong. It's funny bcause in real life I'm a pretty rabid conservative, but in game i think the biggest thing missing are the scientific reactions of the planet to human action. Commandante Lemming (talk) 18:03, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

OK I will watch people's industry a litte closer and see if anyone has clear vulnerabilities that they are missing. :-) Commandante Lemming (talk) 18:14, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

How well would a German led invasion of Britain go? I'd have Bavaria, saxony, Poland, Slovakia, and Australis.( I'm assuming that Poland and Slovakia can join and help) would that be enough? Germany is not pleased with letting what we see as other Germans leaving. German nationalism demands that Germany do something. So I've taken to an invasion of the isles as a way of improving German morale.Trust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 18:29, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Lol glad we are on the same page. And I am building relations with Neu Berlin. I thought with the wound to German pride, many German citizens are getting very irritated. Should I invade Britain our vassalise England then invade the rest of the isles? Also what of my western neighbor....Trust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 18:39, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

When was the last time he posted? I haven't seen any English posts. I'll message him with the idea. England is much closer to German in this timeline. As for the celts, Ireland will fall and the Irish will flee to Neu Berlin in droves. Scotland isn't Anglo-Saxon, so I might have to do a bit of good ole genocide there as well, though not to the extent of the Irish. Is English a language in this ATL? If not I'd like to create a hybrid German- English language.Trust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 18:49, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Attacking is going to be difficult seeing as Italians have the Netherlands.Trust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 18:51, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Year of hell indeed. Your good at this stuff. Lol. Yeah Germany is real crowded so the isles may provide breathing room. Now the question is, will Germany be content? Or is this the beginning of something.... More(I kinda want a WWI parallel later against France, the only thing is, I want to win.)Trust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 18:58, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Glad to be of help. If this world war thing goes. In OTL Germany lost bad, I don't want Germany to suffer more than it has.Trust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 19:03, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Um, when in that event in 1858 you said "They spread their ideas into rural Argentina where the natives take to the ideas favourably, along with already adding more ferocity in Patagoshina. They also cause huge unresty in the natives in French Argentine. Many fear that this could cause the whole region to descend into chaos.", you mean OTL Argentina or specifically my Argentina (Rio da Prata)? And if is my region, what can i do about it?--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 19:05, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

I've messages both hail and scan, as will as Scraw. If you could go and look and particularly with hail and scan, explain the isles thing?Trust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 19:13, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

I envy you. Your having tons of fun with this. I honestly wish I was a mod.Trust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 20:11, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Seems good enough to me. But please, let WWI start on the players' terms. I have some ideas for it.

<span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#080808 45%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#ffffff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color=maroon face="Helvetica">"I can feel your anger.   <font color="#ff0000" face="Helvetica" title="Blog"> It gives you focus...makes you stronger."  20:44, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

You have now lost all the respect you earned with Guneriga and Scrawribbean.

SCRAWRIFEST DESTINY? HOW COULD YOU?

That's better.



Hi Imp. I just wanted to know if those little three enclaves that you call the Vlufjiuerdjkreuxjgfnrdynutella are one nation. It would sure help me if they were. :P

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Also, #ScrawrifestDestinyMasterRace!

23:50, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Lolk.

Anyways, the rules state you cannot invade unless you border/can access by water; both Neu Berlin and the River Lakota nation border that lake, so yeah.

As for them Russians, they haven't really revolted, have they? In any case, I'll just come back in 15 years, by which point Kanada will have expanded by enough to border them.

<span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#080808 45%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#ffffff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color=maroon face="Helvetica">"I can feel your anger.   <font color="#ff0000" face="Helvetica" title="Blog"> It gives you focus...makes you stronger."  23:57, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Of course I have ships, lol.

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Cricket! Yes! Go brown nations!

01:20, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

What happens if Scan says no? I am not willing to war with Scan.Trust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 01:31, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

British Isles
Not in the slightest. I have already agreed with Scan to form the United Commonwealth, a republican version of the United Kingdom, and i have no intentions of giving that up. Hailstormer (talk) 12:39, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

Can you show me where Novaryssa is? and how would an invasion of Ireland go? see, i want Germany to expand, but im hemmed in by Russia, Italia and France. Im very frustrated. The only way I can expand is to invade a neighbour or somehow muscle in on the Americas. I need some advice.Trust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 17:18, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

I was hoping to avoid this..... France???Trust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 17:29, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

Can I still expand Tojiko into Africa as usual? :/

Anyway I'll sell you the lands you ask. Thanks.

PS That Japanese colony in West Africa is Ibaraki. -Kogasa  2013 October 19, 21:27 (CET)

Ah, okay. Though I already had given some of Ibaraki to you back in 1859, so I think it's a bit too late. -Kogasa  2013 October 20, 01:18 (CET)

That's fine by me in both cases. -Kogasa  2013 October 20, 01:28 (CET)

You're welcome. ^^

I'm perfectly happy about Byakuren's new borders, it looks great. Thanks! :D

You mean the "Current Situation in Japan" comics? If so, I'll get around to it. I've been meaning to update it but I never got around to it, lol. -Kogasa  2013 October 20, 02:35 (CET)

Invitation
You are invited to a game on the wiki, Alternate Nations 2, where you make nations turn-by-turn, until you fill up the map. Then we will pick a new map. It is a great casual thing/time waster to do on the wiki. Thanks, Yawgmoth, Lord of the Wastes Ahh, ok. Thanks.

83DD Newbie
Hello. I just was asking about 1983: Doomsday, as I want to get involved, and you said that you are in charge of the "1983: Doomsday" Renaissance, and I was wondering if you have any advice for a newbie. Thanks, Yawgmoth, Lord of the Wastes

Your Recent Success
Oh my god. You did it. Thank you so much for your time.

Now witness the fruit of your efforts.

"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 19:13, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

I am hurt- I am shocked- I am-

Yeah, I copied that.

<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave   but you are welcome in it.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig  (Dammit, Guns!)  22:15, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

Ooh, well, I like the purple, but I can't think of anything to replace the green.

Looks too much like an error message.

Blue just looks like a hyperlink.

Yellow... ehh.

Black?

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig  (Dammit, Guns!)  00:26, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

So what's the deal with England? There was a mod diplomacy done in 1860 I think where Germany seemed to be getting closer to England. what is it's status? Germany wants to expand.Trust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 13:48, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

Where is Sumba? I know saxon Australis fought it once but I don't really know where it isTrust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 14:42, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Imp, you're a life- ehh, signature saver.

=)

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig <font color="#000000">(Dammit, Guns!)   21:02, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Flag Help
To me, the left one looks like a civil flag and the other the state flag (which some countries do). Either one are okay, it's up to you. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 00:12, October 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * That's not what I meant by civil and state flags. But if you want that, you are more than welcomed to do so. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 00:27, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

Unless Japan modernizes itself much earlier than OTL, than I can't see them beating the Russians there. Japan didn't even conquer Hokkaido until the the late 1800s (IIRC). Regardless, the Russian's would likely fight them if that happened (they were already trying to take parts of China, Japan seems no different). Unless they become an equivalent to the USSR in military and policing, I doubt an absolute monarchy would last. The only way it'd work is if absolutism remains strong in the world. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 00:44, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

Re:British Brazil
Ehhhhhh. I think the biggest problem with that is your ocean currents; Portugal was in the perfect position to sail the way to Brazil. Plus, the Portuguese sailor who discovered Brazil did so in the 1500s, a few years after Columbus (sorry, I forgot his name), so it wasn't really a large enough gap in time for the British to find it. You could perhaps consider a British-Portuguese union? That'll technically result in a British Brazil :P ChrisL123 (talk) 02:29, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

Another Section!
Seems your page grows as fast as mine, lol.

Tribal means that tribes exist, more than anything. They are an integral part of the society, and how things function, but that by no means indicates "primitive." I would expect the government, for instance, while having some sort of elected house, having some sort of upper house as well, consisting of the chiefs of the Zulu tribes, along with any chiefs of other groups present in the state.

More like the OFS than Volkstaat, I'm afraid. Could be a touch more mild, though.

Really no way that they could pressure the OFS. And NB's group is on reasonable terms with the OFS, for that matter. They may not like its policies, but... kind of a "meh" on their part, really.

Doubtful that Botswana is going into SA - no point it pissing off a neighbor for more desert. as for going into Angola, have a look at the more "overall" maps I've made for an idea.

Yeah, it could be interesting writing. Way I figure it, there would actually be quite a few new religions popping up over the world because of things. Really just have the Celtic Church and the Lincoln religion right now.

Be a long way away for something like the PAK FA. Tech is behind, remember. Some sort of new plane, not impossible, but not something quite that advanced.

Best bet would be to try either the wiki group, or his talk page.

You want a cricket tournament, go write it up ^^

Yeah, the English teams could be interesting. Nice to see them doing well recently, after being out in the wilderness for those decades.

Lordganon (talk) 16:44, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

Except that this "Lords" would have more power.

The original intent of Watersboerland was something more like the OFS, imo. Arstar just ignored despite things. There's even indications elsewhere that it's like that.

As for why they have not joined with the OFS, combination of different policies and different regimes. Politically, think of it as being akin to the OFS founders being the conservative members of the National Party, Waters~ being founded by members of the New Republic Party, Volk~ founded by those in the Progressive Federal Party, and both the Cape regime and Hell~ founded by members of the Herstigte Nasionale Party.

Basically, the regime in the OFS is full-on racist, while Watersboerland is only partly so. The rest are either far worse, or much more reasonable.

Quite frankly, the idea that they invaded the OFS has never made sense. Really, they would not have even bordered them at the time. Should probably say the Cape regime instead - makes far more sense.

NB won't be going back to the UK, in any way, shape, or form. All Africa, now.

The states in the former UK are on a (sort of) track to be more united. Really, they're all under the OBN banner now, anyway.

Yeah, they've only really taken over the river basin in that area. Them going after that southern Soviet state is pretty likely, and I know that was the near-future intent of the author of Botswana.

Most residents of those areas would only speak "native" languages. Same grouping as those in nearby areas. No need to teach anyone.

Botswana, here, is democratic and reasonable. They will treat them well.

No way such a tournament gets held in the UK. ANZC is about the only spot that could host it, really.

That 20 mil was something akin to conquering central Asia. Not happening, realistically.

Told you the two ways that I could conceivably get hold of him, lol. Try the group on FB, may have better luck or get someone to find him.

Lordganon (talk) 13:34, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

Well, to put it into perspective, the party that I compared it to, the New Republic Party, advocated for blacks to still be on the bottom. However, they wanted to put an end to internal deportations of blacks, and allow Indians, urban blacks, and "coloreds" into the government. The setup was to have separate chambers of parliament for each of these groups.

Now, by DD a version of this, minus the blacks, had been put into place by the SA government.

However, a more reasonable version - though still racist - of this being instituted would be rather logical. Either something akin to the original idea, or just a unified Parliament that allows the three groups from otl to vote. Whites would still have all the net power, mind, but at least coloreds and Indians would have a real say.

You've got a couple of republics as part of the OBN. No way they agree on a monarch easily, let alone what would by now be a foreign one. Would not get rid of their own monarchs, either.

No part of NB is going back to GB.

Yes, those are the languages I meant. The ones spoken in Botswana cross the borders in that area on their own, and there's related ones nearby.

Either by plane or ship. Bet on a lot by ship. The CA and OBN would probably take Celtic shipping at least part of the way, for instance. The ECF team would be the same way, though only to SA and flying from there.

...Why on earth would they not be known as the ECF?

From what I was given to understand, his plans - not that he had discussed this with the authors of the articles, really - was to have the Siberians move further into Central Asia, taking over unclaimed territory, and picking fights with the locals.

Lordganon (talk) 14:28, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

No, not really - that government would be more or less abhorred by those other states. Viewed better than the OFS? Yes. Viewed favorably? No.

No, it did not have it for two millennia "straight." And Parliament has been stronger than the crown for three centuries. An overall royal family is even iffy, let alone a republic accepting such a thing.

NB will probably be the most powerful state in southern Africa. But little more.

The ECF has more land in it than just the West Indies - and its team would be for one state, not several as is the case with the West Indies teams.

The talk about Siberian expansion is spread out over a lot of pages.

Yeah, Botswana is definitely on the rise.

Lordganon (talk) 08:52, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

French Coat of Arms
I uploaded it because I couldn't find it here and I don't know how exactly to put them here in png. Schpe (talk) 19:07, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

As out resident harbinger of mod-event doom - I thought you might take note of what just happened with the Apache and the new relationships they are forging with my lovely friend Icarus. These Pratorates are horrible - things like that get out of hand so easily.

P.S. Grantzu launched his Praetorate totally without input or suggestiong from me - but it was nice of him lol.

Commandante Lemming (talk) 00:47, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

The black-yellor-white flag of Russia
The black-yellor-white tricolor is based on the colors of the Russian Imperial coat-of-arms (and according to a principle of the German heraldry), but the problem is the Russian coat of arms has no meaningful colors. The color scheme black-upon-yellow seems to be randomly chosen by an unknown artist in the 18th century. While the Central European coats-of-arms were based on actual coats-of-arms held by knights, and their colors were important to distinguish them, the Russian coat-of-arms is in fact based on a tsar's seal which naturally was monochrome, and therefore only the heraldic figures and not their color actually matter. And it's quite natural that when two-headed eagle was re-introduced in modern times, the colors were different. Basing a flag on the least meanigful aspect of the coat-of-arms was a rather silly idea, introduced by Bernhard von Koehne, a German who worked in the imperial heraldry office.

Plus you should keep in mind, that in the 1690s the flag was introduced as an ensign. It's unlikely that yellow-white combination would be used for such a purpose due to its low contrast. Flags for maritime use tend to have higher contrast than the ones for land use, because they have to be distinguishable from afar even after fading in harsh ocean conditions. Well, the white-blue-red tricolor is not the best choice either, but that's why St Andrew ensign (blue-upon-white saltire) was introduced for the Russian navy.

Swapping the order of colors, on the other hand, seems quite plausible -- after all, the order was as meaningless as the colors themselves. In fact it.

If you don't want to use the white-blue-red flag, just try to invent something from a scratch. — Hellerick 07:59, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

Praetorates
Well - my "Praetorate of Pure Science" on OTL Tristan da Cunha is basically governened by what I call "Enlightenment Fascism". It's a totalitarian regime that is aheist, worshipful of science and scientific knowledge, hates religion, and hates and hates royalty. I came up with the idea by basically wondering what would have happened if someone like Thomas Jefferson had gone totally off the rails (hence Icarus).

I was actually planning on finishing my Praetorate story very soon, but then Grantzu staged his Apache revolution - I built Praetorate connections with his Fascists, and then when he staged his coup, he decided to copy all of my Praetorate language and ideolgy (he even renamed his capital "Purity of Reason" and paid homage to Icarus). That wasn't my plan but it's awesome.

I'm not sure it provides an opening for A'asabism as the Praetorates are officially atheist - Icarus sends the A'asabists weapons but he sees them as useful idiots and allies of convenience. However, the "Pure Science" movement could gain traction like Marxism-Leninism did in the early 1900s. New Russia might be a nice target as it's curently abandoned.

Commandante Lemming (talk) 19:40, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

Oh and I forgot to mention that the Selk'nam just discovered cocaine ("Cocide") - so you have that weapon if you ever need it lol. Commandante Lemming (talk) 20:27, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

LOL just making sure you caught it - you don't need to use it but I'm stacking the deck so that the mods have al sorts of crazy stuff available later.

And actually CocaBrythonica is cocawine, not Coca Cola lol.

Commandante Lemming (talk) 21:45, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah I'm not letting the crazies take over my mainland eitther - which is why Pure Science is an exile state lol. Commandante Lemming (talk) 12:44, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

Hey real quick can I plead with you not to totally kill off A'asabism? My origianal hope was that it would simmer down and eventually become a peaceful minor relgion - an ATL version of Mormonism or Baha'ism or something like that. Just so you know - I'm planning on retaining a minor A'asabi presence in my nation clear to the end of the game - and I'm preparing a potential exile location for a pacified and defeated A'asab in Yagich Rafael. I'd also love to help write his final defeat if you want. Commandante Lemming (talk) 17:11, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

Chat
Can u hop on chat <font color=Purple face="Algerian">OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM

Re:Hey!
Hi Imperium! I've never talked to you before either, so it's good to meet you. Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm going to have America buy Louisiana. That would be a good idea for another timeline though. Anyway, thanks for reading! CheesyCheese (talk) 23:26, October 26, 2013 (UTC)

I'm working on it right now lol CheesyCheese (talk) 00:18, October 27, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah lol CheesyCheese (talk) 00:24, October 27, 2013 (UTC)

Me you chat ASAP.

16:47, October 27, 2013 (UTC)

Union of South Africa Circa 2013


Heres a map of the Union circa 2013 Pink is areas controlled by the British Empire up until decolonization and creation of the Commonwealth, and the Tan areas are places that joined willingly or were annexed during South Africas period of Pan African propoganda for a more powerful and less exploitable Africa. ~Feud

Sure. I'll let you iron out anything you want in this turn, and I'll assume full control over the posts in the next one. Makes the most sense as you know better than I do of what was lined up for Ethiopia this turn. As for the Alaskan colony, sell if you wish. Ethiopia might get something good out of the deal. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 18:05, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, direct that expansion to Taimani so we can claim as much of Canada as possible. As for the Emperor, we can set it up as a "hunting accident", and allow for the union to begin. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 18:32, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

Awesome! Thanks. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 20:09, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

Excellent. As for Italia, I think that may have more to do with the fact that it doesn't have the enormous resources we do, like manpower. :P Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 20:58, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

End of A'asab
Make any changes you want - but here's a draft. It offers some nice binary choices for previously uninvolved players. I invented a city but I don't think that will be a problem since no settlement details wer given for the colony in which the events happen.

'''<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial;font-size:small;line-height:normal;">A'asab plans a grand strike that he believes will open the eyes of the people against the tyranny of the grasshopper spirits. He commissions a team of his finest men, led by a his mysterious right hand man "John of the Selk'nam", to carry out a major terrorist attack in the heavily fortified Japanese colony of Miyako, at a site of a major religious site which they consider to be the "hub of the grasshopper spirits."  John and his men cross secretly into Northern Miyako and plant a large amount of explosives in a major Buddhist temple in the border city of Hata no Kokoro, a pilgrimage site for locals. The temple is totally destroyed in the explosion, killing 100 people in the rubble and with A'asab's men killing 200 more as they flee. John is captured by Japanese forces. A manhunt ensues for A'asab, but the rebellions are invigorated and many men are lost. It is thought that A'asab may never be captured, and while his forces are driven back the bloodshed becomes more intense and thousands of A'asabist die in the fighting. In November, A'asab himself surfaces in a village controlled by his forces in Dakshin Patagoshina. He declares that the Great Bat Angel has spoken to him, and told him that the violence has killed enough grasshopper spirits to cease. He says that the Bat Angel hates violence but that his faith must be allowed to continue. He says that he will cease violence and go into exile in the A'sabist settlement in Yagich Rafael and asks to be handed over to Selk'nam authorities for transport along with his captured lieutenant John of the Selk'nam. However, he says that if either he or John are harmed, "fire will rain on the cities of Atlantia in a great day of divine wrath".''' Commandante Lemming (talk) 22:33, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

Japan in Hindustani Raj
Any shogunate but Tokugawa could work. The Tokugawa Shogunate, although they remained open at first, they begun to close off the nation at around 1633-1639 via the Sakoku policy. Unless however, you could have the Tokugawa not issue said policy if the invasion of Korea is a success or something.

As for having it end earlier, it depends. You could have the Tokugawa clan be defeated at the Battle of Mikatagahara. Then have Japan united and the civil war end sometime in the late 1580s or by 1590. -Kogasa  2013 October 30, 23:17 (CET)

Hi, Imp! So I had spoken to you earlier about my lack of interest in Persia, and I have managed to now play as L'Atlantide, a nation made up of former French states, vassals, and colonies. As such, I was wondering if I could take that one big, landlocked, state in Atlantia. It is your northernmost colony, and it really contributes nothing to your economy. If we look here: http://www.economist.com/content/compare-cabana, we see that it would have, in modern day, a GDP of OTL Cyprus+Fiji+Swaziland. This is nothing to worry about losing, but it makes my nation look better, and more rounded off. If you are ok with this, I will propose it in-game. Thanks, <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#700000 45%,#700000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#ffffff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color=maroon face="Helvetica">I find your lack of faith   <font color="#ff0000" face="Helvetica" title="Blog">disturbing.  07:26, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

Dem Rappers
I have bad news.

2Pac's dead. Was in NY on DD.

Eminem, too, has kicked the bucket. War in Detroit on DD.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig <font color="#000000">(Dammit, Guns!)   19:55, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

An Apology
Dear Imp,

When I read your post on the TSPTF page I was reminded of something that has plagued me morally for some time. I just want to get this off my chest and apologize to you, for the way I acted in NotLAH. I never wanted it to turn out like that at all, and truthfully I didn't hate you, or South Africa, but myself. Basically I acted like an idiot out of anger, something I shouldn't have done granted my position at the time, and ruined one of the best parts of the game. By the end of it all I wasn't even arguing for the sake of being right or wrong. A lot of things were happening at the time, but now I just want to find peace. I hope we can still maintain a professional relationship on the wiki. Thanks, Mscoree (talk) 20:36, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

​Chat
I have been repeatedly told to report this stuff to Chat Mods. Here goes. Ratc was on Chat with me, and I told him I had blocked him from Map Games Wiki for vandalism. He then said he would 'rip your eyeballs out of your fucking head'. I think that was a little uncalled for. So yeah. Consider it reported.

Speak of the devil, I was just thinking about that. Go ahead and make the switch, it'll make the game much more interesting. :P Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 18:04, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, what's that nation in Antillia west of Neu Berlin and Nuovo Italia and south of the Lakota?

00:42, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

Ah. kthx

00:50, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

So I'm going to accpet your military help in the timeline but I'm going ot try not to push it to anything resembling an algo, and I'm going to write the Praetorate as doing better than they rightly should...partially because I want this war to drag out for a few years as a storyline, partially becasue I'm going to let part of the Praetorate survive (I'm going to shatter it so that the three islands become three nations - the main island democratic and the outer two staying totalitarian), and partially because I really like the character of "Eris" and haven't decided who she is yet. Whatever she is, she's a terrorist, so if you have any use for her take her.

Also my character Jwda Gof Arian is going to invent Zionism in the next few years, but this is a very different timeline so I don't know if it will have legs.

Commandante Lemming (talk) 01:56, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

Anything I need to know about those plans before I write them? You looking for successful revolutionaries? Cannon fodder? If you want a revolution I'll send Eris and her people, who I'm modelling after Che Guevara. If you want cannon fodder I'll send lackeys. Commandante Lemming (talk) 15:59, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

That big Russian Thing
So, I think that if I expand the lands of said nation down south into the area between the Aral and the Black Sea, it'll have enough fertile land to support the larger population of the North, which will be more industrial.

Yellowstone
I've seen the map. Anyway, this will be my last nation for now.

I just didn't want West Papua and other parts of Indonesia to be a part of Australia if possible. -Kogasa  2013 November 03, 22:21 (CET)

I understand. This extra land is giving me a hard time to decide the borders of Manchuria, Korea, Japan, and to a lesser extent Siam as well.

By the way, if its possible, could you make a border between the land and lowered sea level? -Kogasa  2013 November 03, 22:28 (CET)

As in, separating the original land from the drained land. Here's a map of what I meant.

-Kogasa  2013 November 03, 22:43 (CET)

Sure thing, I'll see what I can do. -Kogasa  2013 November 03, 22:57 (CET)

Actually, I came up with a slightly better idea.

How about a different colour of shade to separate the lands? Something like as seen here:



I just though of this when I was tracing the borders.

If not, I can continue to make the bordered version. -Kogasa  2013 November 03, 23:33 (CET)

Hey, I was wondering if I could help in the Yellowstone: 1936 Timeline. Daxus Inferno (talk) 19:04, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Republican Split
in my timeline i have the united states still winning the war, but Lincoln is never assinated leading to a more moderate reconstruction and the Radical republicans spliting from the main republican party to form the reformist party.

Is this plausible and would it lead to the conservative democrats holding power for years to come, if so what would be the effect in political developments in the U.S.A. and would the south reintergrate better then OTL?

Nkbeeching (talk) 16:52, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

yeah im working at that right now, and ive been researching, from what i can gather the moderates would remain in power till 1868 where a more powerful democrat party would win and continue the efforts to bring the country together, the only downside to this however is that while the south would probably intergrate faster the situation for blacks would probably be worse then OTL post war despite the emancipation, with only those who were educated gaining any real political freedoms, and the U.S.A. remaining very white centric for years to come.

Nkbeeching (talk) 17:09, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

why would it die out in the 1890s thats oone thing i dont quite understand.

Nkbeeching (talk) 17:28, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

i was thinking of the democrats slowly involving into a party focused on national unity through increased industrialization abd ties between south and north taking after the republican moderates in some areas, and a strong nationalist policy to keep the country together, while the split party eventually evolving into a proto-socialist party based on geneeral equilty after realizing their very narrow platform would not gain them power, and eventually the republicans falling into the books of history. Nkbeeching (talk) 18:32, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

I just created it. The coaling station idea was just a simple idea to get around the mods whining that Ethiopia can't invade other countries overseas. With the coaling stations, Ethiopia, like Britain, can send ships and personnel anywhere in the world. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:04, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Could we avoid this war thingy I'll give up Zululand and basotho in exchange of something half their size. Sine dei gloriem &#34;Ex Initio Terrae&#34; (talk) 22:28, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Ok. Sine dei gloriem &#34;Ex Initio Terrae&#34; (talk) 22:54, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Sure. Go ahead. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:08, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

When you upload the map with the A'Asabist states, what am i supposed to do with them and how?--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 15:45, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

HRE (Y1939)
You said you knew where I got the idea from?

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig <font color="#000000">(Dammit, Guns!)  18:03, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

No, actually, never heard of it before you mentioned it.

Ever heard of World War Z?

Oh, and what do you call an Englishman in the World Cup finals?

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig <font color="#000000">(Dammit, Guns!)  18:15, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

A referee, of course.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig <font color="#000000">(Dammit, Guns!)  18:17, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Falkland Islands Y1936
I am aware they are called the Falkland Islands, but they are (I assume) under the de facto control of the Falklands, and would be generally refered to as Islas Malvinas. But hey. Screw the Argies lol jk. Mafia CBA doing his signature. Don't judge Him. This Sig is inspired by Guns.

Conflict with Collie
I'll support any conflict you have with Collie, but I have one condition. Your planned union with Eithiopia must never take place. Quite frankly the two of you are so powerful that any union would likely end up a ludicrously powerful nation like the Caliphate. Thanks for your contribution to the Scottish mod post. Also I gotta say that if you have issue with Collie's mapmaking it might be simpler to modify the map yourself. Just make sure to use the most up-to-date version before making your changes. Yank 17:46, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Sure. It seems to me like the issue with the map'll sort itself out. Yank 18:01, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

So no plans to unite Eithiopia and Orrissa? Good. Because, as Scraw said, that'd be absurd. And we already had a way-to-large nation in the game, namely the Caliphate, and we don't need another. Hopefully PMIII can be free of such ridiculously powerful nations. Just to be curious, but what do you plan on doing in PMIII? I'm planning on keeping the Teutonic Prussian state in one piece. I was going to be Scotland, but that nation had already existed for centuries. Plus there's the fact that I am way more familiar with German than Scots. Yank 18:25, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

PUSA (36)
Okay thanks. This is actually a lot more than a planned. I think I'll have the US win the Second Civil War, effectively regaining most of the south (FDR's ATL WW2, which is why I wanted him to live to see the end of it). Mscoree (talk) 01:26, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah I know that's only in modern times. Local is expecting me to decrease in size by then, which is why I was surprised. Anyway, I'll keep writing the history and have htem carry this out. Mscoree (talk) 01:55, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Japan in Yellowstone 1936
Is it okay if I mark the independent Japanese states (ie Ezo, Saga, Tokyo etc.), along with the independent Korea and Manchuria, as obsolete?

Also is it possible that the Japanese Empire could collapse/be defeated later on, or no? -Kogasa  2013 November 10, 04:01 (CET)

I've updated the map, but it'll probably take a while to display.

..or maybe they could create some kind of Imperialist Anime/Manga as propaganda? Anyway, you're free to help out with Japan, along with other articles I created. -Kogasa  2013 November 10, 04:29 (CET)



Hey, just a tiny little question. Would this be too big for New Afrika? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 03:13, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

GOOD GOD MAN. You made REX a junior moderator? Are you HIGH?

That Guns Fellow

Rex did. You didn't oppose, and he took it for approved. On the Y1936 talkpage.

Don't you have school?

LG... junior admin... I THINK NOT.

Lol. Don't worry, I just find an map of an old nation I had sitting on my computer and thought I'd get your view on if it were too big. I have a much smaller one hanging around, but I'll wait for your map first. :P Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 15:26, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Chat? Mafia CBA doing his signature. Don't judge Him. This Sig is inspired by Guns. 18:12, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

I like it a lot. You wouldn't mind if I included Ghana would you? I'd very much like to get my hands on Nkrumah. :P

I've always wanted to make a large African diaspora nation, so that'll do very well. I'll build it with the story of the diaspora seeking to return to Africa after Yellowstone, vieiwing it as "providence" or something, that weakened their European masters and gave them the power to take back the motherland. Something along those lines I guess. We'll just have to see what works. :/ Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:39, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

CHAT
HOP ON CHAT

^ That was Oct, but I wouldn't mind If you did it ...

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig  (Dammit, Guns!)   23:46, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Okay. But in what manner do you mean the British camp? You mean allied and the like? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:48, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Alright. Because my original plan was to have them somewhat like the Nazis (not a lot of genocide, but stuff like no interracial marriage, lots of supremecy, and bits of nationalism for flare). Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:56, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

English State (Yellowstone: 1936)
The flag u will make me is a red and white cross on a dark blue back ground. <font color=Purple face="Algerian">OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM  00:02, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, could I expand the GLU into Ohio and parts of Wisconsin?

01:17, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Also, it is pushing it to say that Joseph Kennedy was in New York during eruption day? The Kennedys did have a fair bit of homes in New York.

22:27, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

lolkk. And what about Ohio and Wisconsin? I want them because they have directors and actors and stuff. And Steven Spielberg.

22:41, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Britannia_(Yellowstone:_1936)#Navy

I added some, and removed the US ones. Thoughts on it?

Chat? Mafia CBA doing his signature. Don't judge Him. This Sig is inspired by Guns. 21:26, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

Argentina Canonization
I would like you along with MS to take your final looks at Argentina for canonization i think its quite alright and ive even gone into detail of how Brazils Matador Kinetic Impact System works essentially on the talk page (ive done my research into the science for it and it all makes sense considering the Brazilian ICBM for it is built around the MKIS delivery and not nuclear like everone else)

But enough on that side tangent, Argentina i believe with some set ups for history that we can co-opt/discuss (which many have been inserted in bold throughout the page) is ready for canonization. The Unchallenged Conqueror #FP (Talk to Me) 04:17, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

HRE ASB
Esteemed member of the YSC, I object to the HRE on a number of counts of ASBness.

Please, Imp, consider my arguments made here. The entire idea of a united Russia in this TL at the time when it happens is ASB, and I hope you join me in striking it down as obsolete.

Thank You, <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#700000 45%,#700000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#FFFF99), to(#FFFF99)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#0000CC" face="Helvetica">Hasta la vista,   <font color="#CC0000" face="Helvetica" title="Contributions">baby.  08:08, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

CoE YS: 1936
This is about a dispute between SCRAW and I. My nation (Commonwealth of Erie) has the capital city as Erie, but SCRAW (New York).

The reason I still claim Erie is, as my capital (reason: port city, not huge but medium sized, easy transport) I believe that I have a more logical reason behind my claim.

Thank u for allowing me to work on this TL. Daeseunglim (talk) 01:13, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

That will be difficult.I always felt like imposing Portuguese into them would just make them rebel.when León became part of the Castillian crown in OTL, they did try to rebel.Galicia also tried to do it many times.Catalonia did the same, and let's not even talk about ETA, so i tried to avoid imposing my language onto them.In language, i would say that:


 * In this TL, Galician does not exist.since Portuguese and Galician were the same language until about recently (300 years before i annexed Galicia), to start with, given that Galicia had a smaller period of domination by the Castillians in this TL, Galician would be just a Portuguese dialect.
 * I practically restored Leonese into existence after i dissociated León from Castille.
 * Castillian would be less important than in OTL.
 * Navarro-Aragonese would survive and not be assimilated into Castillian.
 * Catalan wouldn't change, and as result of the Catalan presence in southern Occitania, and the many attempts at independence made by Toulouse and Aquitaine, probably Occitan would have a stronger presence in southern France, and the area from Toulouse to Nîmes, be even closer to Catalan during this TL.
 * Basque would be more important and have more speakers than in OTL.
 * Mozarabic would keep existing.

In general, Portuguese would be the lingua franca of the Empire, although not official.by consequence, Leonese and Castillian probably would be slightly closer to Portuguese in this TL.

On centralization, i don't exactly know what to do.León eventually will enter personal union with Portugal as of 1912, but i planned Spain to be something more like the German Empire in OTL.The other states retain their monarchs, but their aspects of sovereignty are limited.Although you gave some ideas to centralize more.I think i will start to do it after Pedro IV (just two years from now).

The plan of a hybrid language already isn't good.it would be something like Esperanto on OTL, when it comes to reaching its original goals, and if i were to include Catalan and Basque in the mix, the result would be a incomprehensible mess of a language.and certainty of revolt.

The point is: a unification of languages on the Spanish Empire is impossible.I could give Portuguese more weight, but repress the other languages is against my principles and wouldn't work anyway.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 21:24, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Please look at my response to Local.

It's not just that the HRE is being doubted (that games section xD), but more that I just can't see this TL going anywhere with the current list of editors. It's just becoming a big map game.

Guns.

Well, the marriages thing is already happening.For example: Pedro IV is son-in-law of Joan IX (King of Barcelona), who is the first cousin of Felipe V of Navarra, father of the Guillén VI of Majorca, and his son, Pere VII, is 4th cousin of Artal II of Aragon, and brother-in-law of Fernando VII of Castille, who in turn, is brother-in-law of Fernando VIII of León, and second cousin of Pedro IV.Fernando VIII is also first cousin of Felipe V of Navarra, and third cousin of Joan IX and Salvador I (father of Artal II) Of course, i'm being careful to not produce too much incest.Because you know how well this workedd in OTL.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 07:17, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Imp, we need to get some more contributors. Plausible ones. Do you think LG would... I doubt it. We do need more plausible people though

Removed it. You had the Category for it on talk page.

RE: Rome
Well, what I was thinking was that there would be a Roman Emperor who, just like the Russian Emperor, claims to be of a royal house but may or may not be of one.

In law, the two emperors are equal, but in practice the Russian one holds far more power. In addition, as I have said already, Russia would maintain a sizable military prescence in both the Roman Empire and Constaninople, rendering it a de facto protectorate/puppet.

I think that should be acceptable, don't you?

Also, two things: "<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. "
 * 1) Can you please get a map of what the British Empire still owns, as it is really conflicting with what I had planned for the Middle East and I want to get things squared away.
 * 2) Since Sudan (OTL South Sudan) breaks away from Egypt in the 60s or so, I was thinking that it would align itself closely to Britain to protect it from Egypt. Let me know what you think of that.

Well, to be honest I was intending for the Roman Empire to exist before Russia invaded that area. If that does turn out to be the case, then Rome can just surrender to Russia, keeping its Emperor but also fulfilling Russia's goals.

"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 21:20, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

I don't know what to do with the other Greece, I was thinking of leaving that to ShadowKnight, although I suppose it could be Fascist.

I don't understand the second question. The religion of Rome would be Greek Orthodox, yes. Russia would be Russian Orthodox. The two are similar.

"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 21:31, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Um, okay, we can try that. I don't really know how the two are different, but no matter.

"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 21:39, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Ukraine
I'm definitely interested in making Ukraine. I'll take a look at the HRE and figure out the details. Thanks. I am that guy 21:14 November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Go ahead and make the flag. I'm not good at them anyways. I am that guy 21:21 November 16, 2013 (UTC)

I've been watching the developments on the Russian Forum, which the main reason I haven't started yet. I had, in fact, planned on making it a Peoples Republic. Thanks for the tips I am that guy 00:37 November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Talk?
Did you want to talk to me about something? CourageousLife (talk) 20:35, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

Need to archive much?

Guns, the ever helpful.