User:Imperium Guy/Archive 2

New Timeline Idea?
I've got an idea for a new timeline and I was wondering if you could help with it. Instead of all main early civilizations being in Europe and Asia, and then the americas are discovered and colonized, it happens the other way round. Major civs start in the Americas, and Europe, Africa and Asia are later discovered and colonized. I haven't got a name for it yet. ForsakenPear 18:53, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

We could make the PoD really far back like when Pangea was around, and more intelligent life evolved at a different part of the continent. we could make it either a Timeline or a Map Game, or even just an article. ForsakenPear 12:24, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

We could make it a map game? BTW i've got ideas for a few nations:

Greater Iroquois - OTL New York State and surrounding area

Mojave States - OTL Mojave desert, Baja california and some of the Rockies

Azteca - You can guess where that is!

ForsakenPear 19:01, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

I like the name idea. I'm gonna go ahead and make the page. It's going to be a Map Game if that's alright? The page is called The Greater Americas (Map Game) ForsakenPear 20:45, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

Good idea. I need more ideas for nations. ForsakenPear 11:20, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Can you help finish the nation profiles page? ForsakenPear 12:54, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Yeh, its a really good idea! You better choose your nation quick. They're going fast!! ForsakenPear 18:14, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, Whats Up?
Have you been playing Fractured America lately? DeanSims 17:10, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

ok, i was wondering if somehow the United States and India could unite with India beceoming a type of Commonwealth or if India could join the North American Union with the USA and Canada and have it renamed the American-Asian Union. The NNAU is an internatinal orgainization with one main NAU military and a type of international goverment where each country sends 10 delegates to Union City (a city recently built on Orleans Island in the St Lawrence River) where NAU (or if you accept, AAU), propose and pass measures and legislation pertaining to the AAU/NAU. DeanSims 18:19, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

could i leave you and Saamwiil in control of my countries in my map games until I get back please? DeanSims 19:15, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

I have a request
i will be gone for a few days, i will ask Saamwill to help with this.I need you to take over for me on my map games. I would realy apreciate it if you could do this for me, thanks a bunch if you can, I realy hope you can, and dont worry about me announcing your taking control on the map games, youve done it so often theyll be cool with it.
 * 1) Fractured America: I am the United States of America, expand the Tanzania colony as much as you can every turn and dont forget to mention it. Defend all of your possessions and if questioned on the talk page about the referendum results, defend my results, I actualy did use the Random.org for them. Stay at peace if you can, if not, make sure you can win and get as much out of it if you can, if you can, back down at the least cost.
 * 2) American Empire: Stand up against Russia and continue to help France in its war against Prussia and Austria. 28,000 troops are in France and Prussia under US Command, you currently occupy Munich. try and keep Russia on your good side.
 * 3) Mesaíonas Map Game: Persia: try and expand as much as possible without angering User Controlled Nations.
 * 4) States of America 4: You are the CSS (Southron), keep expanding your military and navy as well as industry, nuclear research, and agriculture. When 1934.0 arives, avoid alliances and expand as much as you can without causing war against other nations. DO NOT join WW2, last time I did I got crushed.
 * 5) Principia Moderni: You are the Incan-Colombian Republic, or ICR, keep at peace as much as is possible. Your allies are Russia and Turan.

thanks,

DeanSims 21:05, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Re:A new flag
Ah, that's pretty cool. But I think the stars would be farther apart and white instead of green and red (can be irritating to the eye and if viewed from far away could be hard to see). Love the idea though, thanks. ChrisL123 05:06, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

Response
No on all counts. Lordganon 09:27, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

Stuff you may or may not like


Hello Imperium. How have you been? I just wanted to let you know that I have been getting into the Venusian Timeline again, and I have decided to start from scratch (so to speak). Some information will need to be changed, but all in good time. I also wanted to tell you that I have been doing some rethinking about your contributions, more or less altering a few things as part of my cleanup. I have decided to rename the Federated States to the "Federated States of Ishtar and Tellus" (Tellus Regio [in otl] is the "island" the FS claims), I feel this seems like a better name, since it claims two major regions.

I have also redesigned the flags for the FS and New Florida. I wanted to get your opinion. The FS flag is no different from your original specifications, but I added 18 stripes (for the founding settlements/counties) and four stars (the four states). New Florida's flag is based (more or less) on the first state flag of (but inverted). In the red canton I added the Marine Corps symbol, but added the Venus globe (as requested by your friend who designed the original flag). I hope you like them. I have more ideas for the timeline, but I want to finalize some things. When I am ready, I will write about them on the main talk page. Also (because I was thinking about you when I made it), I have decided to add an Indian colony on Venus. It would be funded by either the Soviets or the British (who ever India is most comfortable with [and I believe the Soviets would win XD]).

I know that we have started off on the wrong foot, but I hope we can put the past behind us and look towards the future. TTFN. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 02:03, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

UIP
As has been noted before, the UIP has a problem there: a large portion of its aid would vanish overnight if it tried it. Lordganon 10:11, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

Will be decades before they don't need it. Eventually, they are going to have to, after weighing their options, go through with more reclamation anyway. Just a question of when. Though, for the record, I doubt that would be anytime soon. Plus, they are still integrating the areas conquered in the last few years.

Area.... debatable, but not third. Siberia, Brazil and the ANZC are all larger. The UAR would also be larger than them, here. The RC, Saudis, the New USA, Canada, Greenland, and maybe even Indonesia and Mexico also may well be larger.

Population-wise, you are indeed correct.

Lordganon 10:39, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Most of that is probably beyond their abilities, imo.

But, the announcement of a new large road-building project would work well. Provides employment, will increase trade, and above all else, will make moving military forces far easier if they have modern roads.

Lordganon 15:36, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

o.o

Otl, about 65% of the population of India is under 35. While that is probably a bit less here, it'd still be more than 50%. And more than half, like 55% or more, are men. (That's a cultural thing, not changing here)

20% of that... wow. That's somewhere between 40-90 million. Not only could they never afford that, let alone even arm that many troops, aid would be cut off so fast that it is a little disturbing to think about.

Lordganon 10:52, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Definitely they do not need to conscript anything.

Imp, most of the second part of that post makes no sense. Fixing it right now.

Lordganon 14:42, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

fractured america
can you help the USA in its war against Canada please? DeanSims 17:51, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

Can you help?
Excuse me, I would like to join The Greater Americas game, but I am new to this wikia and I don't know how to. Can you help? Monster Pumpkin 15:34, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

I have a request
i will be gone for a few days, i will ask Saamwill to help with this.I need you to take over for me on my map games. I would realy apreciate it if you could do this for me, thanks a bunch if you can, I realy hope you can, and dont worry about me announcing your taking control on the map games, youve done it so often theyll be cool with it.
 * 1) Fractured America: I am the United States of America and Texas, expand the Tanzania colony as much as you can every turn and dont forget to mention it. Defend all of your possessions and if questioned on the talk page about the referendum results, defend my results, I actualy did use the Random.org for them. Stay at peace if you can, if not, make sure you can win and get as much out of it if you can, if you can, back down at the least cost.
 * 2) American Empire: Stand up against Russia and continue to help France in its war against Prussia and Austria. 28,000 troops are in France and Prussia under US Command, you currently occupy Munich. try and keep Russia on your good side.
 * 3) Mesaíonas Map Game: Persia: try and expand as much as possible without angering User Controlled Nations.
 * 4) States of America 4: You are the CSS (Southron), keep expanding your military and navy as well as industry, nuclear research, and agriculture. When 1934.0 arives, avoid alliances and expand as much as you can without causing war against other nations. DO NOT join WW2, last time I did I got crushed. You are in a war with Michigan. take as much as you can from Michigan. The UNO and AU are your allies.
 * 5) Principia Moderni: You are the Incan-Colombian Republic, or ICR, keep at peace as much as is possible. Your allies are Russia and Turan.

thanks,

ps: please do this for me. i realy need to settle the issue witrh canada in FA please do this for me. please.

DeanSims 20:46, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

ps2: i give you all of my mod powers in FA, States of America 4, and American Empire as well. Please take over for me in the new Axis vs Allies Reloaded, I am Austria and just conquered Czechslovakia with Poland as my ally. try and unite with Hungary. You are allied with Poland and Germany.

thanks a bunch, I might bwe gone for two weeks at most. thanks,

DeanSims 21:26, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

thanks a bunch IG, i relay apreciate it. Please try and get as much from Canada should there be war in FA. Texas is under my control as well on FA, so please post for Texas too. And I have tear gas in my armies as well as a secret weapon, the Advanced Rounder Gatling Gun, an equivilient to the Machine Gun. I also have Zeppelins to transport troops from place to place, speeing up transportation time. Try and keep the peace with Canada if you can, but if not, offer China Britsh Colombia and the Yukon as well as Tanzania should they join the war against Canada.

i realy apreciate this,

thanks,

DeanSims 21:36, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

thank you. I owe you one. negoiations are on the FA talkpage as I speak over the CSA.

DeanSims 21:47, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Smiling
I'm just wondering, why do you put a smile in most in you romments? (Just wondering) RandomWriterGuy 04:05, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

The United Kingdom of the Netherlands, Great Britain and Ireland
Erm why did you just change the name of MY country? Its ruled by a King so its a Kingdom. Change it back please. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 21:40, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

All is forgiven, but I prefer Kingdom to Empire is all. Plus the King and Queen got married so its still royal rather than Imperial. I guess they could of chosen to become emperors/empresses; but its a constitutional monarchy anyway so most of the power is in Parliaments hands anyways. Basically they're modest and don't see the need, VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 21:55, January 17, 2012 (UTC).

Also I've taken your map from your "a different Europe" timeline & I'm editing it so I can use it as a Europe map in my timeline. A very good map and a very good timeline, keep up the good work :) VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:02, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Name... ?
Nope. ForsakenPear 20:19, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Go ahead... ! ForsakenPear 20:30, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

I've posted a bit of info on Aphrodite and i might add a diagram of what happened. FP 20:23, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

It vanished of its own accord! And, yes i do like coffee. Im guessing you do too!? FP 20:44, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Early World War I
Firstly I'm confused about your line editing on the Aviation Period page, not sure exactly what it achieved but thanks for cleaning it up.

But I'm more fussed about is your opinions of my timeline. What you think of it?

Also you can become a contributor if you like, I'm aiming to do some major work on it after this friday & I always like having someone to bounce ideas off. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 16:03, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Firstly the Aviation era end date is yet to be decided. But 1929 is certainly too late. It'll be more like 1922, when World War 2 starts. I know roughly how the Aviation period should pan out before WW2 starts. But as I stated in the 1917 post on the Aviation era page, I don't want to go further until the current articles are improved.

I've also reshuffled your reshuffle improvements of the Aviation era page.

But anarchic nations created from WW1 are like communist ones but a lot less interfering and dictatorial. Mostly because the anarchic nations are more concerned about "liberating" other nations than implementing governmental control over the populace. TBH they aren't exactly anarchic, perhaps you'll find this article helpful as to why I have anarchic nations, afterall Nebesa is my version of Free Territory in Ukraine, but the Ukrainian nationals kicked the Black Army out, and Manko wanted to make a name for himself by attacking Moscow. But there have never really been a proper real life nation living in peace times, just during wars, civil wars and revolutions; so its newish ground.

My Sandbox contains links to a lot of the relevent pages about where I'm forming my ideas, so if you want to do some background research to help your work in this timeline.

Glad to have you on board, but apologies in advance if I start getting defensive about changes made to the timeline, its my baby afterall lol VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 17:45, January 21, 2012 (UTC).

I would kill Trotsky, Martov, & Stalin to make sure the Communists are without their greatest leaders. If Stalin had Trotsky killed while he was in exile in Mexico, Stalin must of thought Trotsky still posed a threat, if Trotsky was still in Russia without Lenin to oppose him, then he probably would of taken over the Communists and exiled Stalin. Plus since Trotsky believed in World Revolution, if he has in charge of the Reds then he might not of even decided to stop with just taking Russia, and had forced the USSR into World War I or at least start World War II much earlier :o

And Lenin & Trotsky where both concerned with Stalin but Stalin couldn't oppose them both but once Lenin had died, he only had Trotsky to deal with thus making Stalin's takeover easier. So getting rid of Stalin is a must too.

But then, if you're without Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin; then Martov's Mensiviks would have had more power probably. So it might of been the Mensivik revolution rather than the Bolshevik Revolution.

So I'd have them all killed in battle or by White Russian assassins to make sure, cause the Russian Social Democratic Party was powerful without Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky and Martov; never-mind with them. The Reds would have to lose their battles badly to allow a white victory.

Furthermore the reds also wouldn't of wanted to start a communist "rump state" in Sakahalin, they wanted to take over all of Russia. Also since the Japanese where supporting the whites and in the allied intervention in Russia, the Japanese would have stopped them. After all, Vladivostok was the last stronghold of the Whites in OTL Russian Civil War, the whites where strong in the far east thanks to Japanese support.

As for Poland, I think they where more concerned about independence, but I guess you could have communists taking the government over in an election, but most of the Polish support for independence was democratic I believe. I'm not as sure on this as the need for taking out all of the communist leaders. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 19:58, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

No worries about the late reply, I logged off after I messaged you anyway to do some revision, but you can see how long that lasted :P

Also I thought then, that you could have the Reds split up, because Trotsky and Stalin didn't get on at all, they had completely different theories about communism. Martov's mensiviks would also be separate too. Then instead of being one big red army, its smaller easier to manage multiple red armies. That could be a way to do it :P

But I'm really not sure about any socialist state being formed from the Russian civil war. All I can think of is socialists winning elections after the nations got independence. The whites where supported by the allies & they didn't want any socialist states because they feared communist revolution in their own countries. And the Central powers (most of them being monarchies) only really dealt with the USSR to free up troops :P No European country in Europe really liked the idea of a socialist state in case it spread to their own country. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 20:52, January 21, 2012 (UTC)