Talk:No Unification

Theory #1
World War I would have happened. Some german states joining Entete and some joining Central Powers. The war ends much faster than expected.

Theory #1 Discussion

 * Here  Doctor261  (Talk to me!)
 * No WWI as we know it at all, more like. Without a unified German state, there would be less tensions, because the inter- German squabbling would not affect Europe as much. As a result, Franz Ferdinand may not have been assasinated, because the Austrians, without a solid ally behind them, would not have tries to annex Bosnia. Or so runs my opinion. The Royal Guns (talk) 07:59, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well... There would be some austrian allies such as Prussia, Saxony, etc. Wouldn't that still stop the assissination attempt to happen? The assissination might have happened, from what I'm thinking, but it is discussable if that would start a war. Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 08:24, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well to the best of my knowledge both Prussia and Saxony would have to fight through the rest of Germany to reach Austria, so... The Royal Guns (talk) 08:42, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's what I mentioned in my second sentance of my first theory D:  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 08:45, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Some sort of World War is basically a given - all no Germany does is make the alliances different, and fronts change slightly. When you rely on balance of power to keep the peace.... it's going to blow up eventually. War takes longer. Lordganon (talk) 09:20, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Theory #2
Hitler is alive, but doesn't come into power and doesn't write any ideological books, thus being a peaceful citizen.

Theory #2 Discussion

 * Here  Doctor261  (Talk to me!)
 * ... Hitler never exists. The POD here is before 1870, Adolf was born 1889. What are the chances of (to be blunt) that particular sperm cell reaching the egg? 1/ 30 million? The Royal Guns (talk)
 * xDDDDD Alright. Theory denied. No Hitler alive at all. Myth busted. Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 08:21, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Less said about it, the better =D The Royal Guns (talk) 08:23, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed. In fact, I have forgotten myself how we were studying the birth in biology classes. Just remembered that it all depends on where you live, when you have sexual intercourse, how you love your partner, how much do you try, and 50,000 other factors. Now I understand, why Principia Moderni II mentions no people born OTL after 1450. Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 08:31, July 13, 2012 (UTC)\
 * Well, then. Though, of course, there were plenty of people who would have sstarted ssuch a war. ((get it?)) The Royal Guns (talk) 08:39, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Which one? WWI or WWII? :D  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 08:41, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * WWI, II, III, IV, however many you want. All of them. WWII mostly though. The Royal Guns (talk) 08:55, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ohhhhh! Now I get it ;) Different cells, different wars. ;)  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 09:11, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Guns is right, no Hitler. Someone of that nature - a dictator, that is - would arise in the ashes of a world war, however. Lordganon (talk) 09:20, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Theory #3
Jews take most of politics in german states? Religion, because of that, has impact in german states?

Theory #3 Discussion

 * Here  Doctor261  (Talk to me!)
 * That's what hitler was afraid of, lol. Probably not, though. Without a united Germany the Jews would not get such large populations in cities because then they'd have to cross countries. And whoever controls the cities, controls ze government. The Royal Guns (talk) 08:55, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Noted. Gotta see if atleast one german state had enough population, or some similar factors to that.  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 09:16, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * That doesn't even make any sense, Guns. They've been mostly living in the cities for centuries. Heck, that post sounded a touch racist. Lordganon (talk) 09:20, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * So, the actual jewish and muslim racism (not Gun's racism :P ) would exist?  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 09:23, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hadn't really existed in a long time before that. Really, despite what the conspiracy nuts will tell you, Jews had a very small amount of influence. Level remains unchanged, overall. Only way that gets messed with is if there is something akin to Nazis popping up somewhere, and even that is highly doubtful. Lordganon (talk) 09:35, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * That was my point only really, really badly phrased :P Didn't mean to be racist. I meant that, basically, a divided Germany would be less prone to that, because.... never mind, actually. ~Guns
 * Probably more prone, actually - the smaller the society, the greater the odds of the population turning on a segment of itself. Lordganon (talk) 09:45, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * How about the people of german states? Would they want to see the Germany unifed? Or, maybe they would bring the Holy Roman Empire back?  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 09:47, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Theory #4
Early Cold War. Communist supremacy in Asia(except India), liberal supremacy in Europe and America.

Theory #4 Discussion

 * Here  Doctor261  (Talk to me!)
 * Maybe not. No WWI means less dissatisfaction, though a communist revolution is still possible. The Royal Guns (talk) 07:59, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Something like Cold War would still have to happen. Communists had these ideas even before WWI, as long as I know, so I don't think the WWI or WWII is what would stop them. Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 08:27, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well it would, just it need not necessarily be earlier. A commie revolution would have been delayed- maybe it wouldn't ave been a revolution. The Royal Guns (talk) 08:41, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Mmm. Alright. I'll read some articles about communist history then, and try to find the specific sparkles.. Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 08:43, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yup. Why is all the typing in this tiny font, btw? The Royal Guns (talk) 08:55, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * I have no idea why is it like that, in fact. o.O When I changed to Heading 4(the Theory #4 Discussion part) it got like this. Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 09:14, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Without a successful revolution somewhere, there would be no communist side. Really, the idea of a "Cold War" is unlikely. Expect any communist state with a different WW1 to arise in southeastern Europe. No way communists take Asia. Lordganon (talk) 09:20, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Romania, Bulgaria, etc. that is?  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 09:24, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Somewhere in that area, though bet more on Hungary. Lordganon (talk) 09:35, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Confussion #1
What happens with Israel?

Confussion #1 Discussion

 * Here  Doctor261  (Talk to me!)
 * Never exists. The Royal Guns (talk) 07:59, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, quite possible. So what would be happening in the current Israel territory? Muslim supremacy? Or no supremacy at all, just peace?  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 08:23, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Peace, really. The Muslims would reign. The Royal Guns (talk) 08:39, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you think jewish culture and religion would be accepted? Or it wouldn't exist there at all?  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 08:44, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Mmmm... could be. Fact is, though, there would be mostly muslim populations surrounded by tiny Jewish settlements... that's just asking for a race riot or hate crime spree. The Royal Guns (talk) 08:55, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Noted. Now I have to find some people who could help me write some nation articles.  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 09:17, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Bet on Israel existing in some form. Lordganon (talk) 09:20, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll help! And as LG said, it will exist. As Palestine. The Royal Guns (talk) 09:40, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Not at all what I meant. Not even close. And that was pretty obvious. Lordganon (talk) 09:45, July 13, 2012 (UTC)