Vive La Revolution Reloaded! (Map Game)

Hello and welcome to Vive La Revolution Reloaded (or VRR) RWG and I decided to revive this game after the last one inexplicably died. Please be fair and remember to be plausible!

Rules

 * 1) The word of the Mods is law, unless you can prove them conclusively wrong
 * 2) Players can control one nation only
 * 3) There will be an algorithm based on the one in Axis vs. Allies used for Player vs. Player wars
 * 4) One turn per day when a mod starts the turn, only mods can start turns!
 * 5) The game will start in 1789 during the French Revolution
 * 6) Each turn will be a full year unless otherwise stated
 * 7) PLEASE NO IMPLAUSIBILITY!
 * 8) Look carefully for any map changes
 * 9) Only mods/mapmakers can edit maps
 * 10) Don't edit your turn AFTER you post
 * 11) RNGs have to be done by mods
 * 12) Have fun!

Mods
Sign up here and wait to have an (ACCEPTED) mark by your name

1: AwesomePeruvian 00:10, May 5, 2012 (UTC) Head Mod (Game Reviver)

2: RandomWriterGuy 23:15, May 7, 2012 (UTC)(Accepted)

3: Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:15, May 5, 2012 (UTC) (ACCEPTED)

4: Enclavehunter 00:29, May 5, 2012 (UTC) (ACCEPTED)

5: DeanSims 19:30, May 7, 2012 (UTC) I wont screw it up this time.

Mapmakers(Not Mods, but can if they already are)

1:

2:Monster Pumpkin 16:39, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

3:

Issues/Complaints
Not much of an issue, but when do you estimate we will start?

'''Can we get a map up here soon please? ~MP'''

Nations
Please no newbies may play as the following nations, we don't want to mess these games up. To play as these, you must: 1 Have played at least 4 map games 2 Have a good record on these map games

NO NEWBIES FOR:

Britain, France, Spain, Portugal, Russia, Prussia, China, and the USA

Europe

 * Flag of Great Britain.png Great Britain: AwesomePeruvian 00:10, May 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Flag_of_France.svg: France: Enclavehunter 00:27, May 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Flag_of_Russia.svg:Russia: TacoCopper (Fun Fact of the Day: Every VLR game, I have played as Russia!)
 * Fun Fact 2: Me too! I always hold the Ottoman Empire!
 * Hooray for Fun Facts!


 * Prussian_flag.png: Prussia: GRSGov


 * Flag_of_Spain.svg: Spain: RandomWriterGuy 23:11, May 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Portugal_Royal_Flag.gif: Portugal: 


 * Flag_of_Austria-Hungary.svg: Austria: 


 * Flag_of_the_Netherlands.png: Dutch Republic: NickEftink 12:45 am (UTC) May 5, 2012


 * Flag_of_Switzerland.svg: Swiss Confederation: Blocky858


 * Flag_of_Duchy_of_Mecklenburg_Schwerin.png: Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin: Callumthered 01:07, May 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Flag_of_Brandenburg.svg: The Mark of Brandenburg: Iyandelian

Asia

 * 800px-Ottoman_flag_alternative_2.svg_(1).png Ottoman Empire: [[Image:IMPERIAL NY-SPQR 1.png|25px]][[Image:Regen Flag.png|30px|border]] Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:15, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * 744px-China_Qing_Dynasty_Flag_1889_svg.png Dynasty (China): Ianian58 01:16, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Otl_jap_flag.svg: 
 * 800px-Flag_of_Thailand_svg.png: 77topaz 03:29, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Flag_of_Persia_1910.pnga:-Althistoryman11
 * Mughal Empire: 'User:Nkbeeching' 

North America

 * US_flag_with_16_stars_by_Hellerick.svg United States of America: Monster Pumpkin 01:14, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Viceroyalty of New Spain: DeanSims 19:31, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

South America

 * Viceroyalty of New Granada:
 * Viceroyalty of Brazil: 
 * Viceroyalty of Peru:
 * Viceroyalty of Rio de La Plata:

1789

 * 1) The French Revolution is in full swing, France is thrown into chaos


 * 1) Russia defeats the Turks at Rymnik.
 * Spain: Spain undergoes liberal reforms under its new king due to the influence of the French Revolution. The country establishes economic, social, and political reforms, turning the coutnry into a constitutional monarchy. The environment also allows capitalism, industries, and the economy to thrive. Improvements are made to the navy and the military. Infrastructure, education, and health are spread all across its empire. They allow their colonies to have a degree of self-rule.
 * France: French Revolutionaries storm the Brastille, an proud symbol of the King's power, and freed the prisoners there, adding to the ranks of the Revolutionary Army. Meanwhile, the King continues to send the military to suppress uprisings in peaceful states, causing the French army to be stretched then. In Corisca, Coriscian nationalists attempt to free their Island, but ally with the Revolutionaries after the leaders of the Revolutionary Army agree to give Corisca an autonomous province of France, in exchange for their help against the King.
 * Brandenburg:Brandenburg breaks off from prussia under the rulership of frederick the third, who is much beloved by the people calling itself the Mark of brandenburg. it names berlin as its capital, and keeps a watchful eye on prussia just in case it tries to force brandenburg back into prussia by force. under public pressure from the population the countries laws are fairly liberal allowing the people much freedom.
 * Prussian Response: It declares war on Brandenburg to ensure they remain back into the union.
 * Was that a mod response? Because there is no player next to Prussia.
 * DoM-S Diplomacy: The Duchy sends a small detachment to assist the brandenburgers and counter Prussian influence in the region.
 * Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin: The Duke, Frederick Francis, is worried by the revolutionary activities in France. Despite much opposition from his nobles, he opens a parliament. Whilst it has limited powers, it is elected by universal (male) sufferage. The military undergoes the first of many modernisations, with their out of date uniforms being replaced with modern ones: Shakos, green tunics with yellow lining, and new boots.
 * Quing Dynasty: Recent economic decline forces the dynasty to impose very harsh domestic messures in the east, and worried about recent lack of modernization in the military, and China as a whole, the emperor orders the creation of a group of researchers to investigate and research European Warships, Weaponry, and Cannons along with their other major cities. It refuses to open it's ports to any European nation. It thinks of expanding to other parts of the world, but decides a war would be too costly, farmers are unhappy about tough domestic stances.
 * Moghul Empire: Centrist moderates with the go ahead of the emperor's son slaughter most of the current ministers and the emperor in what is known as one of the cruelest massacres in the area with over 230 members of the previous government and countless nobles being assasinated, the moderates backed by a fair portion of the army mainly Hindus begin fighting against the ramnents of the old regime plunging the indian subcontinent into civil war.the government requests firearms and aid from the ottomans to deal with the cruel betrayal. while the moderates begin fighting along coastal areas to cut off supplies from the exterior.
 * Ottoman Empire: Ends the Russo-Turk War. Invades the Arabian Peninsula and takes 1/5. (Come on, people on horseback swordfighting with noamds!)

1790

 * 1) Leopold III tkes the crown of the Holy Roman Empire.
 * 2) Russia defeats the Turks at Izmail.
 * 3) King Louis XVI agrees to make certain reforms, though no one is please just enough.
 * 4) The Russo-Swedish War ends. 
 * ​Spain: The country undergoes a liberal revolution from the people, who peacefully protets for more reforms. The country, knowing that the influence of the French Revolution is at full swing, apply to their demands right on. They enact their Bill of Rights similar to the United States. The economic reforms start to get Spain back into better shape, though there is still progress to be made. The government encourages settlements in the northern and southern fronteirs by leasing the land for free as long as anyone would work on it.
 * Russia: The Russian army continues to fight the Swedish, but asks for a peace treaty. Until we get a reply, our troops will continue to fight. Meanwhile, the miltary is built up.
 * War end last turn. AP, I strongly suggest that you no longer follow OTL events to the word.
 * Okay. I won't, just this time era isn't my best era. Also, I am assuming you are talking about the Swedish War, 'cause I just saw a mod event for the Turkish War.TacoCopper
 * I am talking about the Turkish War. And I was talking to AP when he writes the mod events.
 * Oh, I am going to fix my turn now.TacoCopper
 * France: French Revolutionaries sieze Marsille, and the surrounding countryside, and establish the First French Republic, but only has firm control over Marsille. King Louis XVI makes reforms, but do not go according to plan, and cause the people to resist even more. French Revolutionaries recieve aid from Denmark-Norway and the Kingdom of Mysore, which they did support the Revolutionaries in OTL.
 * Moghul Empire: Forces loyal to the muslim elitists in india beat back the rebel forces led by the former king's son in Dehli but lose ground in south india were there presence isnt so strong and begin purge disloyal subjects to the king's elder son the newly declared king of the empire.more of the country falls into unrest.
 * Ottoman Repsonse: The Ottoman Empire sends aid to the Muslims in the Mughal Empire. (They are the legitimate government right now, right?)
 * Brandenburg: king frederick, aware of the looming prussion invasion, calls on the conscripts to swell the ranks of his army, as well as hiring swiss mercanaries to train them and fight along side them. he also promisies the people that if they survive the wr with prussia he will impliment a parliment to deal wth issues concerning the people. he also asks the dutchy of Mecklenburg-schwerin for an alliance to help them both survive. on the civil side more work is put into agriculture and the capital of berlin is expanded
 * DoM-S: We accept the alliance and remind the Brandenburgers of the troops sent last year.
 * Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin: Duke Frederick Francis travels to Vienna to welcome the new Holy Roman Emperor. The second wave of military modernisation begins, with the infantry receiving the latest muskets, and new artillery. The parliament passes a bill creating Turnpike trusts, in order to upgrade the Duchy's rubbish roads. Britain, Portugal and Spain are asked for an alliance and trade agreement.
 * ​Spanish Diplomacy: It agrees.
 * British Diplomacy: We agree.
 * Britain: King Edward warns Prussia to stand down and stop threatening Brandenburg or it'll make itself a very powerful enemy in the process. Meanwhile, the economy is prospering and all keeps going well for the Empire.
 * Just saying, the King in 1790 was George III.
 * New Spain: New Spanish citizens, who now secretly call themselves "Aztalns", see the Spanish reforms for what they truly are, an attempt by Spain to keep its Empire together under a thinly vield offer of liberalism. Aztaln nationalists see this as an insult and begin encouraging other Aztalns to join the Cause of Indepndance, and the ranks swell with vollunteers. Plans for the Revolution to begin to take shape as ideals of American goverment and how there people are treated also helps the ranks grow; and as Spains attempts at keeping its empire together, instead of making the people happy, make them poised against the Spanish Crown. A small Revolutionary Army is createed numbering 3,450 men is created, and it begins to gather recruits from around New Spain. A man named only as "La Cantara", takes lead of the movement, and with his charisma and military expertice, he begins to turn the small Revlutionary Army into a well trained and equipped fighting force.
 * ​Spanish Response: This is no lie. we are telling the truth. Please, let us try to help you. Just do not rebel.

1791

 * 1) Louis XIV and his family attempt to escape, only to be captured and executed by the revolutionaries. The monarchy is abolished and a republic is declared.
 * 2) The situation in New Spain becomes a great concern for Spain, who try everything they can to compromise with the people there.
 * 3) Priestly Riots occur in Britain.
 * 4) A slave rebellion occurs in Haiti.
 * ​Spain: Spain continues to develop their industry and economy and to help modernize their empire. The military and navy undergo drastic changes, which use the British as their model. They refuse independence, but allow the people to have access to government positions.
 * France: French Revolutionaries proudly enter Paris, after the bloody revolution, and proudly put the leader of the Revolutionary Arm as the 1st President, similiar to how George Washington. As promised, Corisca becomes an autnomous province of France, and due to the lack of military, relunctantly gives Haiti is indepenence. President Larbet orders the reconstruction of the French Army and Navy, and Napoleon is put incharge of the 1st Army that will be stationed in Marsille.
 * Why would Corsica rebel against French rule?
 * During the French Revolution, there were Corisca nationalists. So to ge there help in this ATL, the leader of the Revolutionaries agreed to let Corisca be an autonomous region.
 * Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin: The army undergoes it's third wave of modernisation, with the latest tactics and drills being imported from Britain and Spain. The army begins a recruiting drive, offering a good wage and glory to those who enlist. The Duke, noticing that his seaside nation is lacking in a navy, commissions the creation of a navy. Requests are sent to allies Britain and Spain for naval advisors and engineers to help kick-start our new navy. The turnpike system is already helping roads to improve, but there is still a long way to go before the roads can be considered first-rate.
 * United States: A series of problems occur in the United States: the federalists are outraged with France's revolution, the Democratic-Republicans are overjoyed, and the south is also annoyed that slaves were able to win in Haiti. George Washington does his best to maintain the nation. The president asks that the relatives of the French Royal Family be allowed to leave the nation safely, in return for recognition from the United States. The army and navy are slightly expanded because of the volitile situation in Europe. Trade rights are requested with Spain, and the government also asks to buy Florida.
 * French Diplomacy: The Royal Family is dead, but any members of the Royal Family that are still alive will be allowed to go to the United States.
 * U.S. Diplomacy: We would like to make a count of them anyway. (King Louis XVI - dead, Queen Marie Antionette - Alive? [was not killed until 9 months after her husband OTL], children - alive, relatives - alive) Can the French Authorities confirm this for us please?
 * French Diplomacy: French Authorities have confirmed that many of the relvaties are alive, children are alived, and the King and Queen were executed.
 * U.S. Diplomacy: If you send the children to us and allow the relatives to leave in peace in either France or Europe, then we will recognize the French Republic.
 * French Diplomacy: France agrees.
 * Ottoman Empire: Continues to expand southwards in Arabia and west in Africa. Builds up defenses in Africa. (Nappy better not invade it! He didn't the last two times around, so not now!) Sends more support to the Muslim Mughals.
 * Prussia Asks Brandenburg for white peace. (I wasn't here at the declaration of war)
 * Russia: The Tsar sees that he has a vast amount of land to the East that is uninhabitated, and he decides to send people there to settle it by giving away land for free. A large migration movement begins, and thousands of people move Eastward for a better life. Many Serfs escape from their farms to move East to farm their own land. Meanwhile, Workshops are built in the nation.
 * Swiss Confederation: Many new troops are trained, and weapons made. Defensive forts are built along the Confederation's Borders incase we are invaded and not ready. A trade agreement is sent to Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Prussia, Brandenburg, and Russia.
 * Prussia: Accepts Trade agreement
 * Brandenburg: agrees to peace with prussia, and accepts the swiss trade agreement. the working class people who were conscripted are released, and most of the mercanaries are let go other than a few who are kept to continue training the actual army. now that the war is over, the Mark grudgly sets up a parliment to deal with civil affairs, though the the Mark (fredrick) is the head of the parliment as well as overall ruler.
 * Quing Dynasty: The emperor, advise to force settlers to the north, begins to, but stopped by other advisors pointing out it would lead to conflict with Russia, and and they had enough space for their vast population. A large expeditionary merchant fleet leaves to the west to the Americas.

1792

 * 1) Francis II becomes Holy Roman Emperor.
 * 2) George Washington is reelected president.
 * 3) Spain and Mexican patriots attempt to find a solution to their dispute.
 * For god's sake, AP, don't follow OTL events to the word!
 * ​Spain: Spain decides to establish a dominion status over their American colonies to hopefully end their crisis. They manage to colonize more land in the North American and Patagonian frontiers after their land distribution. They remain neutral in the European conflict.
 * France: France mobilizes its military and sends east to the Prussian-French border. Napoleon is put incharge of the 1st Army, and begins to draw out plans to crush the Prussians and Austrians, during the imminent invasion. France asks that Britain and Russia to stay neutral, as we, the French, are not the agressors, and asks for limited assistance from Spain and the United States.
 * Spanish Diplomacy: Although reluctant, it agrees.
 * British Diplomacy: in order to maintain a balance of power, we'll become involved on France's side if anything goes wrong. But for now we're neutral.
 * American Diplomacy: America is not willing to get involved in a war right now, but we will not cease our trade with France.
 * Ottoman Diplomacy: Offers an alliance against Austria.
 * Duchy of mecklenburg-Schwerin: The Duke declares his country neutral in the Franco-Prussian & Austrian War. A sloop-of-war rolls off the docks, becoming the first ship of the Duchy's navy. Roads are even better, but still need imporvement.
 * Brandenburg: Has no love of prussia or austria and so offers the french first army passage through branden burg, as long as they are not a drain on brandenburg resources and do not linger. the brandenburg army is stocked with new firearms, and both the king and parliment decide that fortifying berlin permanatly is a very good idea, so work begins on that. some scientists fleeing from the revolution in frace present to the mark the idea for a hot air balloon which he demands is built immediatly
 * French Diplomacy: France thanks Brandenburg, and promises not to linger or drain its rescources.
 * Swiss Confederation: The Confederation declares that it will be neutral in the Franco-Prussian and Austrian war. However, they will allow troops from both sides to come and go through Switzerland as they please, if only they don't linger or drain up resources . If any fights between both sides are started in Switzerland, the Swiss will have to intervene as it is their country, and if any Swiss civilian or otherwise is killed, Switzerland will declare war on the country that killed the civilian. More troops are being prepared and more forts and walls are being built around the country. A trade agreement is sent out to France, and cavalry units are being trained.
 * French Diplomacy: France agrees to the trade agreement.
 * If you were truly neutral, that wouldn't happen. Battles are sure to break out in your territory if you let both armies go through.
 * United States: The two remaining members of the French Royal Family arrive in Philadelphia where they will now reside. The country celebrates the admission of Kentucky as a state of the Union.

​1793

 * 1) Poland once again is partioned by Prussia and Russia.
 * 2) Unsen Volcano Eruption and Earthquake occurs in Japan.
 * 3) With some foreign support, France manages to defeat Prussia and Austria on their borders.
 * 4) Brandenburg's role in the war in Europe greatly weakens the position of Prussia as a great power.
 * ​Spain: It continues colonization along the Patagonian and North American frontiers. They continue to send limited aid to France. They begin colonizing Mindanao and encourage the migration of Spanish American and Spanish settlers to the Philippines. The economy continues to improve while the military and navy are being more modern.
 * American Diplomacy: President Washington would like to negotiate the sale of Florida with Spain if Spain is willing.
 * Spanish Diplomacy: Spain says no.
 * Prussia declares war on Brandenburg and invades slowly gaining land with heavy losses due to the Army falling into disrepair after Frederick the Great's death. Prussia asks all German states to declare war on the tratorious Brandenburg for siding with a nation with different cultural background. The US and Prussia had a trade agreement :/. Plus, I wasn't herefor the last turn.
 * Guys, one problem here. Brandenburg belonged to Prussia since the early 1700s. It didn't exist as a nation at this point. 
 * -- It seceded in the first turn.
 * I doubt that would be considered plausible at all.
 * The point of an alternate history is that its alternate and the eastern part which has broken off to become brandenburg was only in the union because it was invaded.
 * While I realise the alternate history part of it, Brandenburg actually took over Prussia, not the other way around. In fact Brandenburg was the heart of the Kingdom of Prussia, and it is very unlikely for them to leave and lose all that they have accomplished. 
 * Siam: Siam sends out trade missions to Japan and China. It also has some border issues with Burma.
 * United States: The United States declares support for Prussia in the war againts Brandenburg, although it does not mention who it favors with regards to France. Marie Joseph Paul Yves Roche Gilbert du Motier (better know as the Marquis de La Fayette) and Friedrich Wilhelm August Heinrich Ferdinand von Steuben (better known as Baron von Steuben) are made honorary citizens of the United States.
 * France: France demands that Prussia hands over the left bank of the Rhine, and pay repartitions to France for such an aggressive act. Napoleon, along with the Senate and President, launches reforms in the military, and training of the new army begins. The French Navy begins to construct an man-of-war and an sloop.
 * Brandenburg: as prussia has now attacked brandenburg after making peace with it less than a year ago, brandenburg asks to ally with france to drive out the prussians, who, according to previous events could not have advaced into brandenburg as the french 1st army is in the way. in berlin, a prototype hot air balloon is launched, and a forein trade system is offred to spain so that both countries can gain resources not avalible to them currently, fruit and ebony from spain to brandenburg and pine wood and iron ore from brandenburg to spain.
 * French Diplomacy: France is still at war with Prussia (I'll do an algorithm).
 * Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin: Sides with France and Brandnenburg in the oncoming war. Roads are even better than usual, thanks to the Turnpikes. A new sloop begins construction.
 * Swiss Confederation: More troops are trained and a trade agreement is sent to France.
 * French Diplomacy: France agrees.

1794

 * 1) The cotton gin is invented by American Eli Whitney.
 * 2) Angry Pennsylvanian farmers rebel in the Whiskey Rebellion.
 * 3) Prussia and Austria suffer many losses in the war. 
 * ​Spain: It continues colonization in the Philippines and the Americas. Their economic reforms manage to help the country return to its status as a great power once again. They ask for all the nations in the European conflict to at least establish peace.
 * France: Napoleon leads the French Army across the Rhine, and manages to sieze the eastern bank of the Rhine. Aid is sent to Brandenburg, and the 1st French Army under Napoleon. Napoleon crushes an counterattack from an weak Prussian army, and the eastern bank of the Rhine is annexed into the First French Republic, and the 2nd Army reinforces the 1st Army and begins to construct defenses in the newly aquirred territory. France asks Prussia and Austria to report to the talk page for an treaty.
 * Siam: Siam invades (part of) Burma because of border issues. The nation asks for China and/or Japan to help their cause in the invasion.
 * Brandenburg: The fortifications around berlin are finished, despite the fact that the prussians have been driven off by the french. the offer for a trade agreement with spain is repeated. a military stratagist in the army suggests using the newly created hot air balloons in the militatry as scouts and to drop things on enemys below. So that armys can travel easily through it, brandenburg begins to upgade its road system, basing it on the old roman one.
 * Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin: The Duke begins patronizing various attempts at industrialization. Two ironworks are opened, and some water mills are also constructed. The navy now numbers one frigate and two sloops, and construction begins on a corvette, due for completion next year. With the death of Duke Adolphus Frederick IV of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, M-Schwerinese soldiers march into the small neighbouring country.

1795

 * 1) The Whiskey Rebellion spreads across the whole state.
 * 2) Japan declines to intervene in the Siamese-Burmese conflict, yet China agrees to help Siam.
 * 3) Austria falls to disarray, leaving Prussia left. It loses the Rhine bank to France.
 * ​Spain: It continues colonizing most of the Philippines and the Americas. Rumors of gold in the southwest and California reach the capital, though expeditions have been sent to prove this. They call for peace in Europe.
 * France: France final annexation of the Rhine occurs, and the river now belongs to France. The 3rd Army enters the brown country and annxes the Piedmont, due to the presence of an Austrian garrison in the small country over. Meanwhile, France offers an ceasefire to Prussia, and negotiations will take place on the talk page.
 * United States: Generals Washington and Greene gather an army of about 5,000 men and ride out to Pennsylvania. Moving across the state, their presence alone is enough to make almost all rebels lay down arms, and any who refuse are arrested. The army moves to Pittsburg, and the rebellion ends shortly after. The navy is being increased to two destroyers and three frigates.
 * Quing Dynasty: It increases it's presence in the Tibetan border to counter raids from bandits, and prepares a major military operation. The large merchant fleet recives technological information as it goes around the world.
 * Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin: The neighbouring Duchy of Mecklenburg-Strelitz is formally annexed into M-Schweri, and troops are raised from the new province. Duke Frederick Francis asks France for an alliance. Thanks to the new (if small) navy, the Duchy's Baltic chalk and timber trade flourishes, with trading houses opening up in London, Stockholme and Copenhagen.
 * French Diplomacy: France agrees.

1796
'Guys, we have to keep going until the Napoleonic Wars begin, otherwise this game will crash and burn again''. '''
 * 1) The Jiaqing Emperor becomes Chinese emperor after Qianlong abdicates.
 * 2) American ships are raided by North African pirates.
 * 3) Catherine of Russia dies, leaving Paul I Russian emperor.
 * 4) The Whiskey Rebellion is crushed.
 * United States: The United States celebrates Tennesee as the 16th state in the Union. More amounts of Mechanization occur in the cities.
 * Aztlan: After years of building up strength and weaponry and armies, the people of New Sapin revolt and rise up against the Spanish Empire and proclaim the United Federation of Aztlan, or UFA, which begins to force out the Spanish,m adn the USA is begged to help Aztlan gain its independance form the Imperialist Liars in Spain. The Aztaln Army, since it has had years to prepare itself and gain troops, numbers 35,000 men in the main Army with 25,000 in Guerilla Units, which harrass and capture Spanish troops and capture supplies for the Republic. The UFA asks the nations of the world for help in forcing out Spain. Meanwhile, more gold is discovered in OTL Chihuahua, and a gold rush begins, while more gold and silver is discovered in California, encouraging immigartion to Aztlan.
 * Aztlan? Isn't that a bit to native? By the time- I am almost sure, criollos and other Spanish-influenced kinds had been the biggest group in population, yes there was still a native presence, but it was minor compared to criollos......just so you know, there was already a sorts-of "Mexican" identity, but if you want to keep Aztlan, no objections. Ianian58 22:06, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not too sure if such a thing would in fact be plausible, and I would like the mods to look at it closely. If they decide that it is in fact plausible, then by all means continue.
 * Naw. Too many mesitzos for that name. I say mexico is better.
 * I meant the whole event, not just the name. Monster Pumpkin 22:18, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * No mod, but my *ahem* professional knowledge should have influence. It is plausible, but at the same time not (lolwut). You see, yes, it is possible for a rebellion at similair size, but I'd put the number around 17 thousands or so soldiers in total, they'd have a very big lack of equipment, though, patriotic men of freedom in America can supply that. Spain at the time was a major power, unlike 19th century, due to no invasion by Napoleon or them losing their colonies, Spain is a power that can match those of Britain and France (but stil lose) meaning, they wouldn't be beated so easily, I can see rebels winning in Mexico at first, but Spanish forces in the north, Central America, and Cuba, quickly making the situation unwinnable. Ianian58 22:22, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Spain helped America gain independence, so it is unlikely that they would aid them. especially since Spain tried to accomodate to the colonist's demands. 
 * Objection! There had been conflict between Americans heading west and the Spanish! The American people were very young at the time, and saw themselves as the people and supporters of freedoms, and would whole-heartedly support the rebels, may the government discourage it or not. 
 * Trust me, the American would not intervene against the Spanish. He was against helping Republican France, which was not the government that helped the Americans yet appealed to American ideals. America would not help. 
 * I disagree again, there is a diffrent between the problems of Spain, in America, and the problems of France in Europe. The U.S may not officially intervene, but I can see a few thousand American Volunteers fighting for the rebels, along with weapons and such, even with the government condeming it. 
 * They may not, for as of right now, we don't know why they are rebelling in the first place. There are no major population centers of the United States located close enough to New Spain to fight there, and I doubt that that many would make the journy there. 
 * Agreed in the first sentence, but, many Americans, especially the young ones would go there, they were incredibly willed and patriotic for ideas of freedoms and alone were thrilled by the idea of helping a young nation. At the very least, the rebels would recieve weapons and a few volunteers. 
 * Quing Dynasty: It masses it's army bordering South-East Asia, an army equalling around 1.2 million men.
 * Well guys, we all know the process. (If you've played the last two games, that is.) The Ottoman Empire/me conquers Arabia, goes after Persia. WINS! Russia/Taco moves out east, yadda yadda yadda, the Mughals, yes it's Mughals and not Moghuls, defeat Britain in India, etc. China/Ian ransacks Tibet, etcetera, etcetera, the Empress herself kills Zhuge Liang, so on so forth. HOORAY FOR TRADITION! [[Image:IMPERIAL NY-SPQR 1.png|25px]][[Image:Regen Flag.png|30px|border]] Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:27, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * South-East Asia = Tibet? PLOT TWIST! Ianian58 22:01, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * How did you predict my move? (Starcasm)TacoCopper
 * Now announcing to everyone: I plan to have an expansionist America. You have been warned! >:D Monster Pumpkin 22:19, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Spain would have to lose all their colonies....early Simon Bolivar? Anyways, COME AT ME BRO! 
 * Hey man, I'm taking it slow and steady. No need to fear...yet.
 * Well guys, I was just prediciting the future of the game.
 * The Ottoman Empire: Takes more of Western Persia. Offers help and whatnot to the Mughals if they help invade from the East. Expands in Africa.
 * Spain: It declares war on Aztlan and begins mobilizing against the independence effort. They have tried everything to prevent a rebellion and now this! They ask the United States for healp and promises Florida if they do. They continue colonizing Patagonia and Mindanao. They establish a new colony at an unclaimed region at eastern Borneo.I
 * meant the wh
 * Russia: Thousands of Settlers continue to move East, and many Serfs flee to move East to get free land from the Government. Hundreds of Small Settlements start up on the Frontier. Meany people get jobs in the lumber Industry out East. Meanwhile, Workshops start to open up more in back West.