User talk:Lordganon



Mitro 03:10, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Archive, Archive 2, Archive 3

Congratulations, Lordganon


You are the winner of the 2011 Stirling Award for Best Writer in a Community Timeline in 2010 for your work in 1983: Doomsday. Though you technically won the award a while ago, I officially congratulate you for your achievements and formally present you with this award. Good luck in the next year! Red VS Blue 17:56, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

USSR's map
Hey LG, I'd like to ask for a favour, if that is ok with you. I was wondering if you would be willing to create a new map for Siberia after the new expansion takes place and is finished somewhere between early May-late June. I'm still sort of leaning towards a push in the direction of the north, but I was hoping to do one towards the south, around five to six months after the one in the north. I decided on this after I looked at Kazakhstan more thoroughly and realized that the USSR didn't have to a large area of Kazakhstan to reach Aralia, only around half of Aktobe and a large part of Kostanay, which would benefit them if wheat could still be grown there.

In any case, let me know if your up for it.--Vladivostok 17:30, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, well, lets look over what I had in mind then. I was thinking of them controling that small part of the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug they aren't already. I was thinking they would expand slightly in Komi, so they would control about half of it. The Arkhangelsk oblast would then take up the majority of the expansion, around 3/4 of it within control. The whole SK annexation happens as planned of course. However, I wasn't sure about Murmansk Oblast. It is fairly empty, other than the Sapmi state, and they aren't really that friendly with the NU. Possible occupation?

Oh, and it would be great if the USSR map would have the various territories and republics highlighted, like the current one has. Once again, thanks for doing this, the current map is getting a bit grainy, lol.--Vladivostok 09:37, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

Well ok then, that is a bit disappointing, as one of the other reasons to enter the region was a port in Murmansk to give them some access to the Atlantic again. Although a port in Arkhangelsk or former SK would probably work just as well. My plan for announcing this was as follows: I'd announce today that the forces amassing on the USSR's western borders were indeed sent out to grab land and to formally annex SK.

Then, I'd also write that the start of this move would take place on the 5th of May as well. You don't have to finish the map by then, there is no rush, as it would take some time (a month, probably more) to acquire the land and secure it. The name I was thinking of would be something like the Northwestern Territory, but I'm open to suggestions.--Vladivostok 10:06, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

I have just now realized I accidentally reverted one of your edits to the Doomsday page. Sorry, I didn't mean anything by it, I was just checking some of the edits on a mobile device and clicked revert by mistake. I welcome the edits and making the list more complete for the USSR.--Vladivostok 17:28, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

Macedonia-Serbia War
So you said that we should wait until may to explore this idea further, and I don't want to appear the one who's been waiting for like a month for this, but I wanted to hear your ideas on the subject. Ownerzmcown 17:53, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

So what do you think the land differences would be after the war? Ownerzmcown 20:47, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

Actually I've come to like the idea of what I would call the United Kingdom of Serbia and Macedonia, or if Montenegro is involved, it could just be called the United Kingdom of Yugoslavia. I was thinking Turkey would become involved, too, being with Macedonia in the MDL. Each of the countries getting their claims sounds good, Bosnia I would think, if involved, would get back hte other half of Bosnia. Thoughts? Ownerzmcown 21:59, May 5, 2011 (UTC)

I guess I see how that would be quite a quandry with the name, but the deal with the Greeks would make sense, as the Macedonians would have a lot to gain from making the deal. But as I remember being told, Croatia, if not attacked directly, wouldn't want to be in the war. Ownerzmcown 10:54, May 6, 2011 (UTC)

What if the country was officially named the United Kingdom of Macedonia, Serbia, Montenegro, and Kosovo, but popularly be called Yugoslavia. Like how the UK is not techinically called Britain, but most people call it Britain because its easier and about right. But if you want a different name, then we'll still have to think it out. As per the war, I was thinking the nationalist government would try to expand the armed forces as much as possible to give the country a big voice against any foreign claims. And if the war were to start, then I would think it might begin as either an attempt to retake southern Kosovo, or take the remainder of Bosnia, or, if we choose, to take back land lost in their war. Or it could be a combination of the three, if we choose. Ownerzmcown 22:25, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I get it, so the United Kingdom of Yugoslavia idea is dead then, oh well. I guess we'll still have to think of a name, would could just keep Macedonia, but that would probably piss off the conquered locals. As per the fight, I would imagine it starting as the Serbians using military threats on the Macedonians to regain southern Kosovo. The Macedonians would respond via the MDL with a threat to Serbia to renounce their action, possibly combined or followed by a naval blockade and the declaration of a no-fly zone. The no-fly zone would be enforced by Macedonian MiG-21's and Turkish F-4's stationed in Macedonia. Ownerzmcown 23:05, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

So this is a map of how I could kind of imagine the war going, but this is just a prototype that can easily be modified. What are your thought? Ownerzmcown 12:58, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

So I like your idea, of course details come later, but as per the naval war, I would like to keep that at a minimum. Macedonia has a lot to gain from keeping as much of the former Serbian fleet after this war as possible. By the way, BSA sounds interesting, anyway I can help with it, or you just want to keep that to yourself? Ownerzmcown 10:37, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

So, LG, when exactly do you plan to make this all happen anyway? Ownerzmcown 10:45, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

I was wondering if you could get me a map of Serbia so I could work out a definite invasion route of some kind by map? Ownerzmcown 21:58, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

Well the names are all Roman and Byzantine, which I don't think would slide with modern people in the area. Ownerzmcown 20:05, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

Well, along the lines of strategy, and this is not much detail, I'd imagine the Serbians launching 2 pinsirs, one into the Albanian provinces, and one into the main Macedonian provinces, both set out to surround Skopje, while a third makes for a straight drive. A turning point would likely come around either through Skopje, or possibly shortly afterwards, if Skopjr is captured. From their I believe the Macedonians would be able to push the Serbs back, piece by piece, and eventually push into Serbia itself, based on the Serbian capital's position, it would kind of become a race against their allies to capture it. If Bosnia is attacked, they will likely try just two pinsirs to flank the entire country, and if the Bosnians do go on a counteroffensive, it is likely the maximum reach will be OTL Bosnian borders. If they attack Transylvania, I would think they would underestimate the country based on its small army, but be overwhelmed in the likely case the Transylvanians are able to mobilize a powerful force. Rhodope may take some time to be able to counterattack, considering the area the Serbs would be attacking first would have only sparce settlements. Thoughts? Ownerzmcown 12:18, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

That all sounds about right, however, along the lines of the naming problem, maybe it may be best to simply just have it officially be the United Kingdom of Macedonia, Serbia, Kosovo, and Montengro, and be popularly known as South Slavia. Both of these are basic ideas, but we are kind of running out of ideas, lol. Ownerzmcown 22:23, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

Promotion
2 Weeks is up. Congrats. I know it says you get to pick your own title, but Mitro picked mine so I figured I'd get to have some fun with it.Oerwinde 06:52, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

I tried a few other languages and none of them felt right.Oerwinde 07:46, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Another one I considered was Orena Massa, swedish for Unwashed Masses.Oerwinde 07:56, May 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Congratulations, LG. Do we have to bow towards Oklahoma City now?  :-)  SouthWriter 14:56, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Military Alliance to be announced?
I remember you saying that the military alliance between Chumash and Visaili would be announced today October 1, so I was wondering if we were still going along with that or if it was to be put on hold or what? Yes I did read the post on the WCRB news page about Visaili and the Chumash ambassador visiting. Just get back to me when you can about military operations against Ventura and Santa Cruz (I know you said Ventura specifically but Santa Cruz is still a threat, and going down the 101 is pretty much a straight shot into the central coast, also I don't know where you got "mountains between Chumash and Bakersfield" remember I live here and its pretty much a 2 and a half hour drive into Kern and a 3 hour drive into Bakersfield with only a few small hills along the way). Anyways best of luck. Riley.Konner 10:10, October 1, 2011 (UTC) EDIT reversion:Sorry I just noticed that know were in that discussion did you mention any "mountains" that's my mistake and it will never happen again. Riley.Konner 10:33, October 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I've seen what has been posted, and thank you for updating the Chumash page. In addition to the highways mentioned, Chumash can also send a few Bradley tanks to Visali via highway 46 (though that highway is a death trap lol) and 41. Bombing also sounds good, and naval bombardments from Chumash. I'm thinking a battle between the CRS Santa Barbara and a Venturan ship being called a modern battle between the USS Constitution and the HMS Guerriere. Also I'm working on a WCRB post that is a response given by Vilodari Scholairi and his vows to crush both the countries. Also I thought of a name for the Visali-Chumash alliance I'm thinking Organized States of California or the OSC. As for Mozambique that is at the bottom of my to do list, I'll see what happens in a couple of months. Riley.Konner 12:24, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Siberian expansion and the areas around Novgorod, Sapmi and Finland
Hey Ganon, I'd like to propose something regarding the territory the SIberian expansion would cover.

Now, based on the map of the NU, could the Siberians take what is left of Karelia and the area between Novgorod and the NU? This would cause tension and I was thinking of adding a bit about some skirmishes or incidents happening while Northern Hammer took place. Nothing serious but I mean, why hype the return of the USSR into this area if there isn't going to be any tension. Let me know what you think and feel free to say where the borders could start between these countries.Vladivostok 18:08, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Yes it is true I haven't been as active as I should have been, sorry about that. In any case, it is a shame that Novgorod controls that area, I was hoping the Siberians would be the ones to acquire the ruins of Leningrad, oh well.

But I was hoping for the annexation of the Kola peninsula, I wanted to have a sort of Berlin airlift event in which the Siberians try and cut off Sampi, only to have the NU basically make their efforts worthless with air support.

I didn't think it was a stretch because the troops that would occupy the area would be from Soviet Karelia, not the principal forces of the USSR.--Vladivostok 11:03, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

Well, after taking a look at the geography of Kola, I see you're right, a lot of mountain ranges are on the peninsula. But they are in the west and north part of the peninsula, the south-east is mostly flat areas. Now, it is true that these areas are difficult to reach, especially because other that some smaller cities on the coast, there aren't any roads. However, they don't actually have to physically patrol the area just yet to stake their claim.

Now of course air support would be scarse at best in the first expansion, but having just a couple of planes patrol the air space in this area would come a long way in discouraging any other group from trying to take that said area.

Now I also just wanted to bring up the new map for the USSR and the area in general. As far as the rest of the expansion, are we on the same page? So, I believe we said when we originally discussed this ages ago that they would take most of Arkhangels oblast, half of the Republic of Komi and Soviet Karelia.Vladivostok 10:43, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

Qu'il Tous
So I think for our next step for Qu'il Tous, its time to start getting into some of the more political details of America and France, mostly by created an article for the Prime Ministers of France, Speaker of the House, somethings for the Senate of the US, and maybe a list of British Prime Ministers. Ownerzmcown 03:34, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

War of 1812 in Montcalm Survives
Okay, just one more question for you.

(A little background info for the timeline:

During the American revolution, the British loyalists only had two other colonies left in the area, West and East Florida. I figured many would flee to the colonies to protect them from being taken over, which would mean there would be less loyalists fighting the Yankees and they would most likely surrender earlier. The British would most likely unite the colonies and try to grow its infrastructure.)

Now, when it comes to the War of 1812, I'm sure the British would aggravate the Americans (and perhaps French Canadians) enough for the Americans to declare war on them. Me and Oerwinde were having a heated debate, and I said that the US and the French would have a large enough military population to attack Florida and win, and that the United States would annex the Floridas; while Oerwinde claimed that it's more likely they would tie and Florida would remain British. Who's argument is more likely to happen? ChrisL123 22:59, December 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ohhh, I see what you're saying now. Okay, well I'm adding a minor POD to the timeline (King Louis XIV and other royalty influencing Frenchmen to immigrate to New France, thinking there would be land as prosperous as Guadeloupe, which means they have more population to withstand the British enough to have a ceasefire with them). If this ceasefire and treaty happened, is it likely that the Americans would have the same attitude in OTL and want to revolt? (by that I mean, "Hey, this money isn't going to any use if we had a ceasefire and armistice!") If not, when would they most likely revolt/declare independence? ChrisL123 05:44, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Like what? And even if it's the Huguenot that relocated to New Netherland and the UK's American colonies? ChrisL123 23:45, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I figured you'd say that. Alright, one more chance at this before I just go with the ASB route: If Quebec, victorious at the Plains of Abraham, decides to cede the  and perhaps Acadia to the UK (but keep Louisiana), would that be enough for the British or would they expect more? ChrisL123 08:42, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Good, that works for me. Now, I was thinking for the American Revolution, instead of in the 1770s, the British (who would want extra money for the Napoleonic Wars with France) would increase taxes again on the colonies, and this would most likely spark the revolution near 1805. I figure they would even surrender earlier if their main concern at that time was Napoleonic France. Would this work? ChrisL123 04:28, January 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll fix it when I have time. And perhaps you misunderstood (unless you didn't); would the "Americans" really tolerate paying more for a war that didn't really concern them (i.e., the early Napoleonic Wars between the UK and France?) I mean Napoleon (if he does come into power, which I have to ask why he wouldn't) didn't issue an attack on the colonies, just the United Kingdom, so increased taxes again wouldn't do anything for the "colonist patriots"... ChrisL123 23:02, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

Me again, hopefully this'll be the final question I'll ask you. Heh. Alright, so I recently read up on Matthew C. Perry and I'm literally a noob when it comes to him. My question is, even with three countries in the way of the US and Japan, is it likely that Perry would open up relations with Japan? If not, would one of the major powers in that North American area (Alyeska, British New Caledonia or Mexico) do it? I mean I doubt Mexico would do it because of Spain's colonial and religious influence, but would British New Caledonia or Alyeska do it or would Japan remain isolated until much later? ChrisL123 06:20, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

Macau
So who is in charge of Macau???Scandinator 08:06, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

Heh, I already contacted him about Taiwan and he replied already, it won't be too hard to add Macau. Thanks for the heads up. ~Scan

If it isn't a problem with you, once you post up a bigger resolution, could you make all the Unions one colour, like all ANZC territory one colour etc. Not really the alliances but more like all the unions and it would have no labelling, making the map slightly clearer. I'll do it if you don't want to. BTW, do you have anything we could put up on the news? :D Imperium Guy 08:27, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

Shame. I can't think of anything to put up aswell on the news, unless you count the doomsday on 21 Dec 2012 thing, lol! :D Imperium Guy 09:01, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Newolland
I'm having problems with my page, i made a change that i tried to undo but somehow instead of reverting that edit its undone a lot of my work of the last 3 months, i've tried to undo the undo but it wont let me, i dont want to mess around with it incase i end up deleting more!

If you can could you please revert it back to the page as it was on the 3rd Jan 2012?

Many Thanks --Smoggy80 16:29, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks very much!!--Smoggy80 18:26, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Deleting Categories
Lordganon, I put a subcategory into the wrong category, (specifically Timelines and Timelines, Napoleon's Australian Victory, which was in itself a mistake) and I cannot delete that categorisation from the bottom of the page. Could you please help, if it wasn't too much trouble? Callumthered 01:40, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

I went ahead and did it, but for future reference you can remove categories by going into edit mode for the articleOerwinde 05:49, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Headlines vs. News Stories
Hi, LG. Thank you for the edit of my news headline, but the fact is that I decided to put more information in the news story than in the "Headline" on the main page. I did it at least twice before, since I feel that reading more than a short paragraph in 'headline news' defeats the purpose. The line at the top of the Main Page "World Headlines" that one should go to another page "for all news." When one goes to that page, the coverage is almost always the same -- no elaboration, just a repeat of what was already reported.

There should be more activity on the Newshour, but I know how hard it is to remember to put something there. Anyway, thanks for noticing the apparent descrepacy. SouthWriter 03:06, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

United States Flag (Flintlocks Forever)
Do you think the flag of the US should be the OTL US flag, the plain red flag, the New Union USSR flag, the OTL USSR flag, or something different? Bobalugee1940 15:02, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Flintlocks Forever US Flag
Thanks for giving me your thought. I had not known that the red flag was commonly used by pirates. I was drawing off of the fact that during sieges and sea battles the red flag was normally raised to signify that the defending party would never surrender so I thought that was pretty cool. Thanks for you oppinon. Bobalugee1940 20:56, January 10, 2012 (UTC)

Spotlight Request
Hi. Alternative History Wiki looks great and I've added it to the approved spotlight list. -- Wendy (talk ) 02:36, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

South Texas map
Yes, that is the plan, for South Texas to be a part of the Republic from the beginning. --BrianD 18:21, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

UIP
When can we say that "the new Siberian tanks have rolled in and taken over Tula Nadu" as I really think a small state such as Tula Nadu could hold out for so long. Plus after that, we can look at its bigger brother Tamil Nadu ;) Imperium Guy 17:55, January 13, 2012 (UTC)

So when will it be possible that the UIP won't need SAC aid anymore, or in such a small amount, it will not affect it. BTW, would the UIP be the 3rd largest counry in the world and have the most population? :) Imperium Guy 14:01, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

Ok. That gave me an idea for news! Can we say that the PM institutes huge new infrastructure plans for employment and new flyovers and roads are built to connect the cities, meanwhile new "towers" are built for housing? :D Imperium Guy 15:07, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

That's a start. Can we also announce than 20% conscription of men aged between 20-35 will be happening to serve the millitary? :D Imperium Guy 15:43, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Okay. so for an armed forces 2 million men strong, they don't nedd conscription at all, do they? I'll start the news post, if that's okay. :D Imperium Guy 12:41, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Montcalm Survives changes
Sorry to bother you again, I just had I quick question. First, I changed most of the timeline around where France wins the Seven Years' War overall, keeping French India and New France, etc. (makes it much easier on myself) because of harsh weather conditions which daze the British (the only thing I could think of that doesn't change things globally too much). I'm sure the French Revolution would happen (if the Seven Years' War is longer than 7 years, especially). And, like you said it's unlikely Napoleon would come into power, which I'm hoping on for these new changes. So I was wondering, without Napoleon, what is likely to happen to the ? Would France just integrate them into the republic or just set them free? ChrisL123 06:22, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

Recent reverts
I should hope you remember me and the details for the PRMDS article we worked out two years ago. Why have you been reverting my edits seemingly without cause? You of all users should know that I have every reason to want to improve pages you created, not harm them. I was only rewriting certain sections of background history which dealt specifically with the PRMDS organization. As we have already discussed this matter at some length, I believed there is no need to propose relatively minor changes to you first.

Thanks, --EmperorofTrebizond 18:53, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

Future question
Hello again. I have a question about writing about the future in talk pages. I don't mean that I want to say what will happen, but writing about potential future events as part of current events (like the 2012 Presidential election and Arab Spring). I have some new ideas for New Union that I want to bring to discussion, and they retain to a combination of recent events, and the near future. I don't want to be breaking any rules, so I thought I would ask first. Thank you. ~Nuke


 * Thank you very much. Better safe than sorry. Also, sorry for forgetting to put my signature before. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 18:30, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Infobox Head of State riddle
Lordganon,

I have two seperate nations with two seperate Nation infoboxes, with two different links to two (at the moment non-existent) Head of state pages. These two nations are in personal union, and I would like both links to link to the same page. Have you seen this problem before? and if so, could you perhaps tell me how to work around it, if you can?

Thank you Callumthered 22:28, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Where Does It Go?
I was thinking of how the Second Yugoslav War is developing and how Macedonia's standing with Greece and Rhodope might change after the war is over. I would like to discuss it if you wouldn't mind. Ownerzmcown 03:12, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Well I do see your point, but after Serbia is gone, where does that leave the three on the basis of standing in the Balkans. Without Serbia, Macedonia has only Greece as an apparent equal with ify relations, Croatia and Macedonia are friendly, Rhodope is too sparsely populated to pose any sort of a threat, Transylvania is also quite friendly with Macedonia. That still may leave some unanswered question between Macedonia and Greece, and where exactly is Turkey left in all of this? Ownerzmcown 01:28, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Well I do see your point about improving relations with Greece and Macedonia, but how can they enter this apparent detente with the Greeks if they have Turkey to deal with too. Then that kind of seems to make the Turkey as being a nuisance to the Macedonians, but their alliance remains essential. It kind of leaves Macedonia in an awkward position then as you can see. So its then between making this agreement with Greece and apparent one-time thing, or to continue on as you have said and leaving Macedonia and Turkey in an awkard position as allies. Also, when is there going to be an update on the war page, I know you said your taking time between posts, but it seems to be moving almost glaciely. Ownerzmcown 21:27, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah thought so, just getting a bit sensitive and overthinking about these things. So then what happens to the Macedonian Army after the war? All of the heavy levels of conscription will probably be knocked down to the necessary level for occupying Serbia is my best prediction. After that they only have one "tense" border, which is with Greece, but that will probably just remain static and become normal eventually. But then what does the Black Sea Accord lead to, it seems like Greece trying to build a power base around Turkey. Just an intuition. Ownerzmcown 04:37, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Nimitz/Vinson and all that.
Sorry, LG. I had too many pages up at one time. I am not real good at multitasking, but I was trying to "do it all at one time." Too late, I guess, I noticed that I had hit 'publish' when I meant to go back to the page to do further edits. There it sat, with conflicting info just staring the reader in the face. :-(

SouthWriter 05:59, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Australia (1983: Doomsday)
I noticed the page is up for adoption. Can I take over? It seems a shame to let the most powerful post doomsday nation page languish. Scandinator (talk) 00:50, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

FWBW ASB tag
I'm sorry for bothering you, I just had to ask. Why would the For Want of Bad Weather still be ASB? I had changed the POD around to make the harsh weather conditions centered around the British Isles, which wouldn't really effect France and her allies. If you insist on it, it's fine with me, but as long as I get to know why :P ChrisL123 04:44, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

I apologize for that Korean War article I posted here by mistake. Will that give reason to block me? haha XtranormalGeek 04:23, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations... Myself?


If I don't leave this here, it will 100% slip my mind, lol. Lordganon 08:43, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

About message
It be nice, thank you. :] -Kogasa 14:48, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Ukraine or The Ukraine
In case you missed this in your watchlist: http://www.infoukes.com/faq/the_ukraine/

Mitro 15:50, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Also found another one: http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/ukraine.html

Mitro 15:52, January 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * There is a debate, but not much of one. The modern trend is to drop "the" to differentiate the nation from a region.  Travel guides will also warn you not to say "the Ukraine" when travelling through said country.  Nevertheless, I do not want to get into an argument over something as silly.  Since I am the author of the timeline, I will use the modern trend.  Thank you for being reasonable.
 * Also I hope you don't mind but I have reactivated myself with the TSPTF. I probably won't be as active as I was in the past, but I will try helping out with vandals and such.  Mitro 14:34, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Stirling Awards
This is a tremendous honor, to receive not one but two of the highest awards from the community. It definitely made my morning to see that my writing is regarded so highly, it'll definitely inspire me to finish my non-wiki related writing projects. Thank you again.

On another note, is there a way to see who else won the Stirling Awards for this year, or is that page taken down now?

KingSweden 20:52, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

TSPTF
I would be honored to accept any nomination for any position you feel like giving me. LurkerLordB (Talk) 22:10, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, I will read all of what you sent me and do what it says. LurkerLordB (Talk) 19:51, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

UIP
Ok, I am a bit late in telling you this, but the reason why I posted first was because if I had messaged you and posted, you would have replied at the 27th, the day after the republic day. That is why. Imperium Guy 07:40, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, about the date and leader, and maybe even the jets, but the Republic day parade should still be held in Dehli as that is where is has always been held. The UIP is meant to be the successor state of India, so I think it should still have the constitution and parade. I understand why you removed it, however. Imperium Guy 10:31, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

What was the exact date the UIP was formed as a successor state then, as that will be the date a parade is held? :/ Imperium Guy 10:40, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Stirling Award: Thanks
Thanks very much!. I'm honored for receiving this award, and i hope to continue helping to the wikia during this and next years. :) Regards! --Katholico 02:55, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, now i did. BTW, i have a question about this template... what is his purpose? Regards! Katholico 03:43, January 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * OK, both things. --Katholico 14:14, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

NW Version of Althistory WIki
Why? I wasn't referring about making a new wiki. RandomWriterGuy 07:11, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, I'm not trying to create another Wikipedia! The alternate biographies users won't make them bad!

Look, I'm trying to be nice here, O.K.? I didn't mean to try to break the rules when I first mentioned it, O.K.?. --RandomWriterGuy 21:32, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Music (1983: Doomsday)
Right I've finally done the proposal page, sorry that took so long, I sort of forgot :P

I've got a few musicians down from the People of Doomsday page, and the Celtic Alliance anthem competition. Any idea where I could find some more? VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 17:23, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Ah sorry, I've seen pages with both those categories before so I thought it's like: this timeline is a timeline but its ASB. But for future, if I see a page with ASB & timeline categories, I should get rid of the timeline then? VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 19:45, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Flintlocks Forever
I would like to officially ask you to help me write the timeline and other articles of the timeline Flintlocks Forever. Bobalugee1940 00:48, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

UIP news... again!
Is it possible to post about the Republic day parade, omitting the Leaders and the aircraft? Its going to be about the show of military strength, tanks and a speech in which the President says that they will be more ammunitions factories be build and the roadworks is going great? :D Imperium Guy 22:04, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

About 219.73.83.219
I just want to say, my ip is 219.73.83.219..... All edit of 219.73.83.219 is edited by me. :/ Jordan Chang 17:59, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

hello want to be a mod
hello i would like you to be a mod on my new map game to keep order if you accept her it is http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/1200_A.D._(Map_Game)

heres my page http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User:Waroftheworld

Pounce
The Pounce! badge is very hard to get. How did you earn it without breaking the rules of the wiki? (I know-100 edits- how did you do that?) RandomWriterGuy 22:27, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

Acutally, that's for another badge. I think in this badge, you create a page, and you edit it 100 times in an hour, correct? RandomWriterGuy 22:22, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

Question
Hello Lordganon. Is the WCRB Live News article an open page? (anybody can add to it?) XtranormalGeek 10:58, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

I`ve removed the hyperlinks to my site. Apologies wont happen again. Just trying to add context.

Australian Nukes
Evening, LG

I have started work on the Australia page now that my workload from school has lessened. It is also with Enclavehunter's permission that I have taken over the page officially. Anyway, I'll get to the point, Australian cities are large, no huge. And the population is not dense at all. Theoretically if a 400kt bomb exploded in Melbourne's CBD around a third of the city's suburbia would be able to function (the south east) with electricity and maybe water as their supplies enter from the east. A similar story in Sydney and Perth. So what are the estimated yields so that I can try to set up "towns" within the old city's outskirts. e.g. sutherland, blacktown in sydney. Note, I will do my best to research the winds on the day to see if fallout hits any of the areas so as to be as plausable as possible. Scandinator (talk) 12:15, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Many australian cities have large 8 lane roads (4 each way). Due to the population spread these roads are not elevated. Would they stop the firestorm? Also the prevailing winds in Perth tend to come from the north in September so most of North Perth would be spared but Fremantle and a couple of the towns would have to be evacuated. In Sydney the wind travels to northeast generally in Septemeber so the North Shore region would also be abandoned. In Melbourne the entire city is abandoned as the direct fallout follows the coast down to the south east, covering most of the suburbs. Therefore as Melbourne and Perth are smaller and due to the conditions, I propose a couple of surviving areas of the Northern Perth suburbs, none in Melbourne due to fallout and the outer suburbs of Sydney as the water supplies come from near Blacktown and electricity from the south west therefore many services in the outer region which are 30 to 50 kms from the blast zone survive? Scandinator (talk) 23:50, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for all the information so far. Any tips for a finding a good nuclear blast simulator to top off the event? Also just an extra tidbit; theres a fallout shelter in the Sydney CBD built in the 60s, and its HUGE. It runs from St James Station to Museum Station (basically down half the CBD on the east side), I'm thinking maybe 10,000 people made it in the ten minutes warning time before the bomb? Also a stampede to get in of course. Scandinator (talk) 11:02, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Also I did more research. The road in mind for Sydney was last upgraded in the 1970s it varies between two to four lanes both ways (8 lanes in most areas). The road forms an arc around the central CBD and is on average 14 km from the CBD where the nuke explodes and 12 km at the closest point. Melbourne is totally abandoned as is 95% of Perth after Doomsday, but Western Sydney continues functioning somewhat after Doomsday and a bunch of "towns" but is overtaken rapidly by Newcastle & the Central Coast and Wollongong & the Illawara.Scandinator (talk) 09:57, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

The fallout shelter is pretty deep. The actual depth is classified info but it is at least 15 metres down. They used to keep a large amount of provisions in there. The actual existance of the tunnel is classified too, but a friend of mine spent a while with the army and found out about it. I've seen the entrance and the two stations have a set of locked doors opposite to the entry route to the platform.

The time when the bomb hit was in the middle of the day in Sydney, therefore at least a million people were in the city working with a higher percentage of men due to Australian culture. With around 200,000 in close proximity to the tunnel (five minutes walk), thousands would try to cram in. Therefore 10,000 survivors from the central city itself, emerging a month after the blast and travelling 30km to Sutherland by foot in a day sounds plausable. But there will be no such luck in Perth or Melbourne as they are too small and Melbourne's CBD train lines are not fully underground. Also due to the loss of the state governments in the three cities and a drastic decrease in population. I propose a merging of Queensland and New South Wales into Eastern Australia and South Australia absorbing Victoria. Scandinator (talk) 08:54, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

OK, I'll keep the states as they were and mention the shelter. However, the explosion fused the metal across the entrance and the survivors could not escape. That would be discovered in a planned expedition to the city centra during 2012. I'm starting work on Australia in four days.

The East this time!!
After considering what you told me about East India, post-DD, I think that the states could form into a Chinese influenced USSR styled confederation. It would be ruled by a Chairman and would run on Maoism. I just want to ask whether it would be possible for me to get the green light to be able to create the article.

The Communist Confederation could form in around the 90s, after increased threat from wars goung around. It could also form at around 2003, when the UIP gets formed. What do you think? :D Imperium Guy 14:49, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Still waiting, lol. I have also got a new prop flag for the UIP. It has merged the element from 3 of your proposed flags! I hope you think it is good. :D Imperium Guy 14:54, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

On the TSTPF, change your vote to postpone, so that the compromise plan can be continued and the Support can be evened out. Imperium Guy 14:57, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Forget the communist confederation, they will have to be conquered, lol. I agree about the elephants, the don't look too good. Would you consider the flags if the smaller elephants are removed?

I would also like to hear what you have got to say about Tamil Nadu as you are the creator of the India and the UIP page and you have much more DD experience than me. :D Imperium Guy 15:49, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

On a side note, how do you archive your talkpage, mine has got too long and time-consuming to get to the right part. ;) Imperium Guy 15:51, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Cool, thanks for that. And happy sleeping, lol! Its only 4:09 pm here. :P Imperium Guy 16:09, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking about the Eelam myself. This would mean my uncle would probs be alive today in DD, lol. So would the Eelam be an independent country or part of Tamil Nadu?

Who should be leader? I would think the present Chief Minister might be a good candidate. However, if you know the name of the leader of the rebels, he's going to be in charge.

I have also got the new flag now, might want to look at where the old prop is. :D Imperium Guy 12:09, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Its there! :D Imperium Guy 15:46, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Cool. Do I need to post in the Newshour that the flag has been changed or no need? :D Imperium Guy 13:59, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Templates
Sorry bout that. Didn't realize that. Scrawland Scribblescratch 19:11, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

asking
hey i dont mean to be annoying but could you be a little bit nicer to the people who make mistakes i know you just want to make a point but still just asking i dont expect a answer but if you get this tell me about what youve decided

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User:Waroftheworld

Flags
I'm just to lazy to search for them. It's easier to just upload the new copies. RandomWriterGuy 09:06, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Flintlocks Forever
Should I make it so that it stays as the Betsy Ross flag or change it along with the number of states, the only problem I can see is trying to find photos with the betsy ross. But if I change it with the states then I will have to continously find photos from that era with that amount of stars.

Another question is how do you believe that having only flintlocks will affect the culture and how do you believe it would change the map?

Bobalugee1940 00:50, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

dziękuję

Bobalugee1940 02:33, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Non-changing flag
Why was it a comprimise? I mean were states like "Yo, man either you add me to that there flag or I walk out o' this union thing!".

My main concern is that I couldn't find enough pictures of flags from a specific year to use in my timeline, and as you know I'm a heavy pic user in my TL's.

Bobalugee1940 01:28, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Respect
The teapot tempest over your behavior that Yank unleashed was inappropriate. He has a very real point. You seem to have no concept of what it means to respect other editors.

I specifically asked you, several times, to stop editing my own discussion comments. I did so nicely; I did so forcefully. You decided that you, and you alone were the arbiter of what was "readable," and despite the utter trivialness of the issue, you refused to let it go. You then managed to say, in the most supercilious manner possible, "Ben, make it readable and it won't happen anymore. You haven't yet managed that." Utterly unbearable, utterly disrespectful of my knowledge and my intelligence.

You went on to abandon any semblance of civil discussion with your "You've already been told why it is needed. There is absolutely no point in trying to get you to understand it at this point in time if you don't get it." This, after putting up a tremendous fuss when you felt that your own comments and opinions were being stifled by that Vote section. This, of course, on top of innumerable discussion pages where you have posted, "This discussion is over," or similar statements. This is not only disrespectful, it is hypocritical. If your concerns matter, then so do other people's.

There was another, much less major incident on the Map Games talk page when you said, with no provocation, "There is absolutely no reason to even consider deletion there," and then were shocked that I found this to also be disrespectful. How about, "It shouldn't be deleted"? I'm not sure that you even perceive the difference.

One time, I jumped in to categorize some images. I used to do that a lot. I spent many hours doing it before you came here. I was really impressed to see you doing it on a far more massive scale. You reverted my changes. No "thanks for helping;" no invitation to continue helping; not even an explanation of what scheme you were using to tell why you didn't like my changes. Just a reversion, like I was a vandal. That was also deeply disrespectful.

There is a reason that most of your interactions devolve so quickly. You need to get it in your head that your opinions are not more valid than those of other people; that your contributions are not more valuable than those of others; that your ideas of how things should be are not the correct ones. In short, you need to treat your fellow users on this wikis, admins, non-admins, and newcomers, with respect. You need to think twice before posting, three or four times before criticising.

Shortly I returned most recently after a long wiki break (occasioned by frustration with your actions and tone), you know I sniffed out the other admins to see if they agreed with me - to see if they would support me if I posted something like this on your talk page. I got that support but was pre-empted by the latest "impeachment" attempt on the TSPTF talk page. The discussion there convinced me that your constant fights were a result of good intentions and an honest inability to tell when you are insulting people. Well, you're still insulting people, repeatedly. These concerns and complaints keep coming against you, and you keep shrugging them off. Stop and think. Please. This wouldn't keep happening if there weren't something legitimate.

Benkarnell 05:20, February 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Give me one - one! - instance of my being even slightly rude to an editor. Find one other editor here with a single complaint against me. The only angry words I have ever posted to this site have been in response to your constant dismissive behavior toward me or others, or your escalating every disagreement into a battle.  Not to mention the fact that I have yet to see you apologize for anything; acknowledge that you were wrong about anything.  Not even at that impeachment, when I became so convinced of your good intentions.  There is a lot to acknowledge, and this time I won't let you get out of it with your usual mix of contempt  and defensiveness.


 * I deleted Yankovic's post because it was, as I explained to him on his talk page (calmly and respectfully), a wildly inappropriate attack page that set a horrible precedent. On my talk page you'll see that he thanked me for doing it.


 * For what it's worth, this is standard wiki formatting. It's the way people post things on wikis. And whether it is or not, you completely missed the point - that respecting other people takes precedence over correcting them.  I've never seen an admin fiddle with other people's comments before.  We are a community, LG.  Benkarnell 09:05, February 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * You still can't give me a single instance. I can, and have, given you several, over and over again, which you haven't even acknowledged, much less defended.  You rarely acknowledge them except to give blanket dismissals; "None of these are rude in any way," words to that effect.  This is the most maddening thing.  You bully people over and over again, talk to people like they're just not in your league, and either you pretend it doesn't happen or you really can't tell the difference.  In the "map game" instance I've shown you what a respectful post looks like compared to yours, but you've ignored that too.


 * Trying to redirect me to the Yankovic blog incident is another example of you deflecting, but I'll explain myself further. If anyone creates another page specifically to attack another user, even (as in this case) I broadly agree with it, yes, I'll delete that, too.  It's immature and it's further bully behavior, even when the target is someone impervious to criticism.  I didn't ask Yankovic's permission; I offered him a respectful yet firm explanation, along with, you'll note, the possibility of undoing my action if it turned out to be the wrong decision. In short, I was acting as a leader rather than a bully - a distinction I keep trying without success to explain to you. Benkarnell 18:21, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Advice
Hey LG. I was hoping you could give some advice for my revised timeline (It takes place after an French victory at Waterloo). I was hoping if you could give me advice (or tell me if its ASB) for some of the following differences: Thank you, and hope your respond. Enclavehunter 05:45, February 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Mexico loosing the Baja Peninsula, Sonora, Nuev Leon, Tamaulipas, Chihuahua, and Coahuila.
 * British Canada looses the sothern portion of OTL British Columbia, all of Ontario, Quebec, Newfouland and Labrador, southern portion of Alberta, Manitoba, and Saskatchewan.
 * Technology is fast by ten to fifteen years.
 * The Colonial Race for Asia and Africa dosn't occur.
 * The Cold War should be called the Tri-War, between France, United States, and China.

Overlooked
Hey LG, I forgot to ask; are you fine with the CoA I've got on the UIP page? I originally name it for another nation page but thought as the UIP has changed flags and a new identity, maybe the CoA could be slightly modified as well. Thoughts? :D Imperium Guy 23:37, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Assistance
Sorry if I am disturbing you, but do you know how to edit in source mode? I am trying to make the vice-presidency slot in George Washington's terms be the federalist color. The page is the List of Presidents of the United States of America (Age of Kings). If you can help that would be great. Monster Pumpkin 00:45, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

State of Jackson
How plausible is the State of Jackson. The main reason I made the split was that the north of Florida had a very different population then the rest of Florida and to thus then create a seperate territory, later state, that was independent of the more cattle and agriculture minded south.

Bobalugee1940 01:16, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Reply
Hi, I'd like to keep the conservation going here: Talk:Timeline (1914 Incident). Thanks. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 18:31, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

A question
Do you mind if I create some disambiguation pages for some things (like Nepal, Slovakia etc.)? And if its okay can I also create a category for Touhou Project? I saw someone already did something similar with Hetalia. Thanks.. -Kogasa 08:10, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Yugoslavia opinion
Greetings LG. I hope you don't mind me asking, but I would love to get your opinion on a radical change that seems worth looking into. In short, it could have still been possible that Yugoslavia could have remained completely in tact. You can read it in greater detail here (no need to write it out again). I would also like to point out the key argument for here: global pressure. In the case of the USSR, Gorbachev was more than willing to let six republics go (on the grounds that the majority of republics remain). In Ethiopia, the new government allowed Eritrea to hold a referendum (and they would gain it due to years of fighting). Apparently in Croatia and Slovenia (which had not yet begun to fight [in comparison to what will become]), the global community (Europe, the US, and eventually the USSR) outright refused to recognize the independence of the two republics. This is because the world saw that a divided Yugoslavia could break the stability in the Balkans, and could lead to a bloody war (can you imagine).

I wanted to get your opinion first, because I know that you may see something I missed. Thank you again, and you know I will appreciate any help. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 17:25, February 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * What do you mean by "bit of a stretch"? --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 16:52, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Questions
Is my now current map of the FF USA more realistic?

Is the large diversity of Battle Flags for America in FF realistic?

What is the term for something refering to someone named James (like the Lutheran Church is named after Luther)?

Bobalugee1940 20:01, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Template
So what would hapeen to my template? :/ Imperium Guy 12:06, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!! :D Imperium Guy 12:11, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

1983: DD revision
Hello LG,

I read what you said about my proposed nation, and I didn't see where it said that Tiraspol was nuked. But I don want to point out one thing. You said that the land the country was based on was owned by Transylvania, but on the nation's page it said that those areas were only claimed. Claimed is a bit different from owned.

However, if you are able to counter that, which you probably will, I do have another idea for a nation. It's called Nuristan, and it is a region in modern day Afghanistan. It would be here. What do you think? Monster Pumpkin 21:13, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Formatting Question
Hi, I'm wondering if you know or not if color can be added to tables and such, as I think adding color to the Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom to help differentiate the PM's better. If so, how do you do it? Thanks! Lieut. Tbguy1992: Profile; Talk 00:57, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Question
Would the name of Chief of the United States of America be a respectable name for the replacement of the term President (in the 1860's)? Bobalugee1940 01:13, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

I badly worded that question. Can you look at List of Chiefs of America and the section "Official Title" and tell me what you think. Bobalugee1940 14:17, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

? Bobalugee1940 14:47, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Open 1983 DD areas
Can you think of any areas in DD that is inhabitable and doesn't have a nation there? I just want to make sure instead of making another proposal that gets shot down. I think I thought of one, in Slovakia, so any info on that area would be appreciated. Monster Pumpkin 03:14, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Is there any country in the Indian reminent which can be conquered without alerting/bothering the SAC at all. Or can we have an India-Pakistani war and thus make all the states unite? Pakistan will start it of course!! ;D Imperium Guy 17:23, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Oh well. :D Imperium Guy 19:34, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Spam
You are right, I apologize. Won't happen again. JonAllenMichael 00:07, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Weapons
Hello again. Do you mind if I create an article listing all the weapons in the 1983: DD world? It would expand more on the universe. XtranormalGeek 14:40, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Why do you think that? Please explain your basis, because I am fully up to the task. XtranormalGeek 14:44, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I'd like to expand on your universe, and I figured it would be a good idea, but if you don't want the article then I won't make it. :/ XtranormalGeek 15:29, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Well, isn't it odd that there are no weapon makers in your timeline? Surely there has to be SOME weapons in it. Don't patronize me. I know a lot about weapons, and I believe that a weapons article will expand on your universe. I'm not arguing with you, but it seems kind of odd, don't you think? XtranormalGeek 19:48, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

hey LG
Hi,

i was wonderng about something, and since you logged on I hope you dont mind if I awsk you.

is it easy to be an admin on this wiki, or is it just plain boring some days?

DeanSims 19:31, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

well, I can understand. my banned wiki i made when i got banned for the imperium guy and me mix up isnt doing to hot, I wish it was busier, Im just glad rebelsoldier hasnt showed up yet. DeanSims 19:36, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

you see, thats my problem, the banned wiki is supposed to be a place where the banned are welcome, but I cant decide if he should be banned or not considering his history and long list of sockpuppets. DeanSims 19:40, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

yeah. would you like to be an admin on my wiki, it would be a quiet job, and Im kinda busy lately. my dads being a jerk and keeps saying ill live with my mom and then he says im not, so im kind of occupied as I try to keep myself busy. DeanSims 19:45, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

its ok. thqanks for the offer.

DeanSims 17:05, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Qattara Project
I want to ask you this. I am doing a project for my TL called the Qattara Project. It does contain 1983: Doomsday references, yet I try to make it my own as possible. Here it is:

In 1971, to start the first phase of the project, a group of laborers lowered the bottom of the Sadat Canal from Lake Nasser by nearly 10 meters, allowing water to pour into the Toshka Lakes. Two years later, the French Grande Military, with the advice of the Egyptian provincial government, decided to reduce the water from Lake Nasser flowing into the lower Nile by half. The first half was used for generating hydroelectricity, while the other half was used for pouring the water into former barren desert beyond the Toshka Lakes, with at least 150 million cubic feet of water flowed into the land per day. Farmers from the Nile Delta were hired to help improve and farm the land to help turn the barren desert into lush green.

The Toshka Lakes attracted hundreds of thousands from Lower Egypt to build settlements and work in the now modern farms (in contrast to those back in the Lower Nile). The military helped provide the workers and farmers with food, water, and other necessities. As more and more water flowed into the former desert, the New Nile River Project began to take shape. It began to fill areas which became large lakes, allowing lush green to appear and more people to arrive and more settlements to be built. The workers did the work of diverting the water to make sure it connected the Western Egyptian Oases and the buildings of numerous dams to supply with hydroelectricity. Among the new settlements was the city of New Cairo, founded in 1981 along the coastline of one of the newly formed lakes, the Qattara Lake.

The Qattara Lake was the largest lake of the New Nile, as planned it was 430 feet deep at its deepest point. From 1985-1987, it took two years to fill before the water level reached to that of one of the man-made canals, the Ramses Canal to the north. After the completion, numerous settlements and farms were built all over the lake.

Concerned of the risk of flooding, Nasser suggested a man-made delta be built that would allow the water to spill out into the Mediterranean. In 1987, workers began to dig up the New Nile Delta, which was built in a gridlock pattern and connected to El Alamein. Dams were also built to supply with hydroelectricity. By its opening in 1989, the waters of the Qattara Lake spilled into the new delta, and like before, new settlements and farms were built. El Alamein faced prosperity and population growth due to the new immigrants.

Do you approve it? RandomWriterGuy 21:27, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

What I am trying to say is this: is this to the point it is truly my own work without plagarizing work from 1983: Doomsday? RandomWriterGuy 05:19, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, it's for my TL: Think Before You Act. What I'm trying to say is this: is this still my work? Or is it plagarism? RandomWriterGuy 05:25, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Hey LG
Whats up? DeanSims 15:21, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Film in Napoleon's World
I knew there was an Indiana Jones parody in NW but I couldn't find it. Oh, well. Thanks for telling me. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:17, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

The New Pages
I am seeing what you are doing to my TL pages right now. Yes I know there were coding problems. Is this some sort of penalty for me? RandomWriterGuy 02:15, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

I see now. If you want to know how it happened, here's the story:

A few weeks ago, I decided the make 100 edits in one day by making over 50 new pages and with major side edits. Before you say this, yes this was done on Word. It msut be the reason of the coding problems. RandomWriterGuy 02:19, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Am I not to do it again anymore or is this allowed? RandomWriterGuy 02:21, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I wanted to make a document where my work can be stored. If this happens again, should I remind you to do the code fixing? RandomWriterGuy 02:23, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

How do I create a sandbox page? RandomWriterGuy 06:22, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Caer
To be honest i've been thinking about taking Libya and Japan off him for a while as he hasn't really improved them much since he got them. If i do take Libya off him would you want to adopt it. At least you'll keep it plausable--Smoggy80 13:05, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

I've given Caer a week to make changes, if nothings happened by 1st March, then Libya's yours--Smoggy80 14:49, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

In The Name
South Slavia seems the best option, so I guess we'll stick with that. As for the future, I'd like to ask what you would say the future would be for Croatia, Bosnia, and Slovenia after the war's end. That seemed like the next best spot for a look at, just saying. Ownerzmcown 22:58, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

My Page
Im sorry. I didn't know that would happen. Should I take some off? ~Ty Rezac

Yugoslavia 2.0
Sorry to keep bringing this up again and again, but I have a "more" reasonable idea for NU. I have been working on it for a while, but I would rather get an opinion prior to going any further. In a nutshell, the USSR would put pressure on the FRY (in comparison to the west putting pressure on Croatia). What would come of this would be a "Greater " (which includes all three ethnic groups) and a Greater Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina. Just like OTL FBH, the cantons would be autonomous, blah, blah, blah, you get the idea. No division of Bosnia (as in OTL). --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 17:27, February 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Greetings again. I have just one more idea before I explode. Since all three sides agreed and signed on the deal, could have the Carrington-Cutileiro plan been successful here? Regardless on whether the US did persuade Bosnia to renounce their signature, do you think it could have worked here? If not, I am all out of ideas. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 18:56, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

0Russian Help
Russo-American War (Ultranationalist Russia)]]er Russia- I need help making a page called Ultranationalist Russia and the Russo-American War. I have good ideas but i barley the computer experience or the time to do it by my self can you help?

LG, can you tell me if this is a good idea. Okay my idea is to say that Russia first invaded through the Eastern Coast but after Canada started to supply massive amounts of oil to the U.S, Russia started another Front in Alaska and Canada. Tell me if you like the idea and I give you the right top work on my wiki anytime.

thanks for the info LG, I would make the russian invasion solely through Alaska and Canada. I will also make it that Western Europe is invaded as well, to start a war between two fronts. While in the Middle East Israel and Iran will battle it out. Now do you think that if Russia started against NATO, China will help and attack Japan and Tawian. Tell me if that is a good idea and give me good ideas as well?

Okay then what should I do then because my whole wiki page (Russo-American War (Ultranationalist Russia)) revolves around a superpower Russia that invades the U.S and Europe after they get out of a recession. Tell me what I should do?

~ ForMotherRussia Ok I deleted them. ima firin ma lazar!!!!! o(@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 14:32, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

I still have one more question before i leave, if there was a russo-american war, what would be the political implications of it. How would the world change? I know lots of people will die and lots of cities would be destroyed but what else would happen? -ForMotherRussia

Should Nuclear arms be used by the nations due to the fact that NATO and Russia both have nuclear arms. Would these type of nations get so desperate that they would do that. Also would economies flourish after the war or would the world sink into a depression. Please answer back LG. - ForMotherRussia

Since the war will most likely focus in Europe particulary Germany and Poland due to the Geography, will that region grow resistance movements to counter the Russian Bear?

Also would North Korea be able to conquer S.Korea with chinese asssistance. Also will the United States be able to protect Tawiian or will the Chinese overrun it. Also can you give me some more suggestions in the War?

Due to the fact Iran is known for its hatred of the Jews would Iran fie nuclear warheads toward Tel Aviv during a war. Would nations like the US and Russia create biological weapons as a last ditch scenario. Also how would nations create more money efficient weapons in such a massive war?

Also I was wondering when I am done with this series, can you help me with a pandemic series. I have an idea were a virus just eats your body away and speeds up closer to the end. It can transmitted like a regular flu, blood transactions, and even sexually. Can you help. Please-ForMotherRussia

If the virus remained dormant for some time, which allowed the host to carry out his daily life, would that help spread the virus. Lets say a flight attendant had late night fun and caught the virus. Lets say the virus spreads but does not show any sypmtoms allowing her to meet each passenger. If she was on a 747 that could cause alot of people to be infected. ANd when they got to the airport, they infect people going to other countries. - ForMotherRussia

WHat if scientists created a biological weapon? The current US military policy on this is make first but cure later? That can lead to a lot of deaths if it escaped. Also when the USSR collapsed many of its secret weapons and convential weapons became uncounted for? What if they are used? -ForMotherRussia

Well thank you for all of the help you have given me. I am very glad that you have took the time to help a newbie like me. I will not be on for a week because of Family Matters that I will not be going into. I will be leaving Thursday and will be back on the following Tuesday. So if you can do me a favor and make sure that no one messes with my page. I am in college at USC and there are idiots who taunt me because my love history. So can you keep on it. please -ForMotherRussia

Thank you for watching my page - ForMotherRussia

Can you look at my page for Russo-AMerican War (ultranationalist Russia) and tell my your thoughts. I am still working on the battle of Washington so it is not done yet. I know the pictures are from Call of Duty but those were the only pictures I could find. ANd no I do not play it. _ForMotherRussia

What do you mean? -ForMotherRussia

Interview
Hello LG. I thought I give you an interview by giving you 10 questions about your the wiki and other related topics: RandomWriterGuy 19:28, February 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) When you first became a member of the TSPTF, what was your response?
 * 2) Did you like your job as a TSPTF member?
 * 3) Who is your closest friend in the wiki?
 * 4) Have you planned to make any TLs?
 * 5) Other than 1983: Doomsday, what are your favorite TLs?
 * 6) How did you and Mitro become friends?
 * 7) What are your favoirte historical topics?
 * 8) What's your political ideology?
 * 9) Who do you think contributed to you the most?
 * 10) Who have you contributed to the most?

Hay, I had to let you know, I added another picture to my page, but I deleted one of my pictures before I did it. ima firin ma lazar!!!!! o(@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 21:32, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

About thw TLs, are you proposing to create one just yet? RandomWriterGuy 07:02, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Italy in DD
Thank you for the offer, especially with Venice. As you can see. I have some relation to the areas that I have so far worked on. I am more than happy to work on any territories in Italy, Egypt and Armenia. Scandinator (talk) 08:19, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

ok. ima firin ma lazar!!!!! o(@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 14:03, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Need Help
Recently, Ty Rezac has been bothering me about pictures, and he doesn't seem to stop. He seems to ask me questions about every little thing. Can you tell him to stop? RandomWriterGuy 18:20, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about that. But I have a feeling that everytime he posts a picture, he's going to go ask me "Am I doing somethin wrong?" everytime. I feel that you should tell him that he's not doing it wrong and to not ask me about it anymore. RandomWriterGuy 23:12, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. RandomWriterGuy 23:46, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Im sorry, I didn't know that would make trouble, I was just trying to earn medals. ima firin ma lazar!!!!! o(@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 00:05, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Ok. Im sorry I won't edit anything else, Im sorry. ima firin ma lazar!!!!! o(@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 00:07, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

LG, is there a way where I can delete pictures/maps not needed anymore without becoming an admin? This is because I play a lot of map games and many of the maps become pointless within 5 days. :D Imperium Guy 01:24, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, that's fine. But I warn you, the deletion will become utterly boring, lol! :D Imperium Guy 08:55, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

A Question
I want to now how my page, Africae Pax, can be listed as Alien Space Bats, when Great White South also had a POD of an unexplained enviromental change. Tyler Pitts 21:13, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Many of the new things
Hello again LG,

I recently came up with a few ideas for my timeline and for Doomsday and I just thought that I should have you straighten them out.

1. 1983 Doomsday: I thought of a possible new nation called the New Teutonic Order that occupies most of the Kaliningrad Oblast. Since I'm assuming that Konigsberg would have been nuked, the capital would be some other city in the oblast. It would have good relations with other german nations and unlike the New Livion Order it would be a fully functioning nation with a semi-organized army.

2. My Timeline: Here are a few ideas I came up with and I want to see if they would be considered ASB. First, the Kerguelen plateau in the southern Indian Ocean never sank 30 million years ago, thus having several remnants of the Dinosuar era. The water displaced could be placed in a glacier in the middle of Antartica, delaying south pole expeditions by twenty years. Also, nations like the U.S. and Germany would continue projects like this,this,or this,thus increasing the global technology and warfare capabilities.

What do you think? All feedback will be appreciated. Monster Pumpkin 02:20, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Take two:

1. Doomsday: Shame about that. I am assuming that by refugees you mean people leaving the area, not coming in. I have another idea around the city of Smolensk, assuming it was nuked with a small device or not nuked at all (very unlikely).

2. Of course most dinosaurs would have still die, but I was thinking of small critters that were able to survive such an extinction event and later evolve into slightly larger creatures in a similar to what happened with mammals OTL. I was actually thinking of a combined-ish ecosystem, with small members of the dinosaur superorder and large flightless birds like New Zealand. And yes, I was inspired by another timeline in this regard.

About the technology: I don't really think that flying wings (number two) are really overated. They are better at flying than normal aircraft, which means less fuel consumption and better performance. I'm not saying that they would be a wonder weapon that would change the tide of any war, but they would be better then most ww2-era aircraft. Considering that some of the U.S.'s best aircraft are flying wings even today, that has to prove something about their combat capibilities.

Number one is practically useless, no doubt there, but I was thinking more of the principals around it that would be used. I'm not planning on airforces having flying saucers during the 60s, that's kinda dumb, lol.

The walking truck I think would be very useful especially in modern combat. The point, which I don't know if you read this or not, was to help soldiers move heavy stuff on difficult terrain. This one also has realistic promise, since the government is doing the same thing nowadays, just on a smaller scale, see this. Especially in the military, if you having something that works, its only a matter of time until they want weapons on it too, lol.

The main point was to increase modern warfare abilities and weapons, considering in my timeline WMDs are more prevelant and nations are less afraid to use them. However, I'm not planning on having laser satellites like in Superpowers.

I think I'm done putting forward my counter-argument here. Your turn! :) Monster Pumpkin 21:51, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, well, here we go again.

I understand that you might call this foolish, but what I did was took the Kerguelen plateau idea and inserted into my pre-existing timeline that is still under construction. I think I have a way of meshing its modern history perfectly with what I already have.

About the technology, again...

The majority of failures of Flying wing aircraft tests were because of the engines, not the fundamental design of the aircraft. These problems could have easily been fixed by a nation not at war. I'm not saying that they would be so good that they replace all other kinds of aircraft, just they are introduced to the majority of airforces.

The saucser stuff, oh well. Can't really win them all. The technique worked, so the technology might work in the future.

The walking machines, however, once again are possible to be used. The machines do not often break, just that they are difficult to operate. Conventional vehicles are not very good at transportation in the mountains, especially in an enemy country, and there are some things that soldiers cannot just carry on their own. The idea of my timeline is that conflict happens much more often, therefore the need of greater technology is more important for nation security and spreading national influence and such. The ability to move in difficult hostile terrain would be an important obstacle to conquer.

Now I realise that you must think that these ideas of mine are quite lame and would never work in any scenario, but I am just trying to make my timeline be as much as I planned it to be, as most people on this wikia try to do. If for some reason you still find these to be utterly impossible, perhaps you could offer some suggestions that would make them possible. Monster Pumpkin 03:14, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

More talking...

I thought we already agreed what I said was foolish. Either way, what I think I'm going to do is copy most of the info from the wikia onto a word document and reintroduce them into a new timeline once I sorted out all the problems.

One thing I don't understand is how the U.S. would either not form or be in a recognizable form. The OTL islands that are in the same area were only discovered in 1772, and that would not have resulted in any real difference in the war of independence if a micro-continent was there instead. Sure it might have been discovered a few years earlier because of its larger size, but that wouldn't affect the Americas that much.

About the B-2. The B-2 has served 23 years with only two accidents ever happening and only one of these accidents resulted in a permanent loss of the B-2. This happened when the flight computer recorded atmospheric conditions incorrectly, resulting in another computer taking the wrong course of action and crashing shortly afterword. The USAF have never regretted ordering the B-2. In fact, the USAF actually ordered a total of 165 of the aircraft to be made. It was only until Congress ordered the project to be slimmed down that the others were canceled.

I think the point we both agree on is that both the flying wings and walking machines have the potential to be important assets to a military. It's just that implementing them into a working role would be difficult and resource-consuming, somethings nations don't always the ability to do to make it happen. By the way, I think it might be important to note that the creator of flying wings in America, Jack Northrop, said that the reason why the government didn't choose to develop his aircraft further was because the government wanted him to merge his company with another and he refused. This might be the POD that changes the history of U.S. aircraft. Just saying. Also, while I do want my timeline to be more advanced than OTL, I do not want it to be anywhere close to that in Superpowers. I understand that few PODs would result in a technology level like that one. I don't want millions of people living on Mars or armies of cloned Humans. What I am trying to do is incoperate the previous things into a timeline that is truly unique compared to everyone else's. This does not include the disk-shaped aircraft, because if I had my way, they would have first been tried in the 1940s, canceled shortly afterword, and experimented on again in the 2000s when better engines come out.

If you have any ideas on that regard please share. I look forward to seeing what you say about all of this. Thanks. Monster Pumpkin 20:42, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

New ideas.

I'm going to stop talking about the B-2 right now, as we're kinda getting sidetracked from the main point.

Here is an attempt to put all of these things together:

Keruegelen Microcontinent

The Keruegelen Island was first sighted by Drake's expedition in 1579, who explores the northern coast before returning to England. The first colony, a British one, is established in 1632. The colony has difficulty expanding due to the colder temperatures, and few resources are discovered to be there at first. The colony endures several hardships, such as a disease outbreak in 1690 that kills a large amount of the population. A source of Iron is discovered in the central part of the island in 1703, and the population rises to mine the resouce.

When the American Revolution starts in 1775, the colony supported the British. They sent supplies and about 1000 men to serve in the British Army. This prolonged the war for about another year until the Netherlands contributed soldiers to the effort, securing American victory. The colony on the island was ceded to France in the Treaty of Paris after a combined French-Spanish fleet attacked the island and took it over.

France loses the colony to Austria after the war of the Sixth Coalition, and Austria set about expanding the colony, now at about 200,000 people in 1814. Mining prospectors discover some quantities of silver and copper 1825, and population starts to rise once again.

Following Austria's defeat in the Austro-Prussian War, the northern half went to Prussia/Germany while the southern half remained in Austrian hands. The southern half is colder and is unable to support a larger population like in the north.

Austria and Germany made great use of the island and its resources in World War One, using it to test new weapons and provie aid to the main fronts. The island was not invaded due to the large distance from either South Africa or Austrailia, but it was sometimes bombarded by British Warships. When the Central Powers were defeated in 1918, the southern half went to Iberia and the northern half was forced to become independent along with another German colony.

The new government supported the Allies in World War Two, and invaded the southern half, now controlled by Fascist Iberia. The front claims about 15,250 lives, and prolongs the war to 1946. Uranium supplies on the island aided the Allies's Manhattan Project, but also aiding the Axis project as well, leading to a very shaky peace agreement that ends the war. The southern half united with the north and is a member of the German Commonwealth since 1928.

The island has a unique ecosystem similar to that of New Zealand or Madigascar, and some of the animals exhibit the same island gigantisim there.

The rest just goes on with the new country supporting NATO against Communism in World War Three and other smaller wars. I also have plans for the other things I mentioned, nowhere near as grand as I planned, but still there, playing small minor roles. What do you think? Monster Pumpkin 22:14, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, someone else gets there first, thinking the Dutch.

Iberia would join the Allies in WW1 because of the Alliance between Portugal and Britian, which was carried over during the unification.

By similar to Madagascar I meant size, not actual genetic similarities.

I was not planning for Germany to become fascist, but have a different political system after WW1. As I said, Germany would be on the Allies's side.

The microcontinent would not be much warmer, as the northern part is about at the latitude as southern New Zealand and Argentina, so the southern part would be much colder than the northern part. As for the rest, it's mostly temperate.

I'm probably going to mark my current timeline for deletion sometime this weekend, and start the new one about the same time. I realize that some of the politcal events I have planned are a bit implausible, but that's the way I see it. Alternate history is about what didn't happen, not follow strict guidelines on what to do. Obviously there are limits in regards with natural events (Shattered into Pieces like Glass) and aliens or the undead (very many of those), but there are other timelines I have seen that are also implausible that follow only political differences that are not marked ASB.

Also, on another note, where did the actual term "Alien Space Bats" originate from? Monster Pumpkin 17:38, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Kerr Republic
I forgot all about it! I'll get to work on it soon, sorry! CrimsonAssassin 13:33, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Libya
As Caer has not removed improbable and impossible sections, so I have.

The article is now yours, though you may want to block editing on it for a while otherwise Caer may try to continue editing--Smoggy80 19:12, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

As suspected he did, i've made it so only admin can edit--Smoggy80 19:54, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

You may want to talk to Oerwinde about Cyrenaica he hasn't edited it in a while, possibly expand it into the inhabitable sections of Libya (however small that area is) and set up a reasonable border with Egypt--Smoggy80 10:13, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

I've already given LG permission to work on the article. If you feel like contributing as well, feel free.Oerwinde 12:10, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

I'll leave it to LG, Libya's his now--Smoggy80 17:25, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

Sandbox
Hey, LG. I was wondering, how do I make an sandbox for my ideas? Enclavehunter 06:11, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Enclavehunter 15:02, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

Just the Usual
Is it possible for another WRCB UIP headline where the UIP buy another 15 Su-35s off the USSR and increase trading deals? I think a part about new industries being set up and a good harvest would also be "spiffing!!" :D Imperium Guy 22:49, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

Well thb, the harvest we can do without but I think writing about the industry would be good because it would symbolize the UIP government managing to open up new employment areas as well as help to manufacture goods which are needed by the populace. Another reason is its shows the country is managing to revive and grow its industrial strength, thus cutting down on its "back-burners", lol! :D Imperium Guy 18:15, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Yes! BTW, have the Su-35s completed training yet? :D Imperium Guy 11:42, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Ok. :D Imperium Guy 19:41, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Adopting an anon's timeline
Hey LG, just a quick question. I wanted to adopt the No Napoleon timeline, but I realized through the history that the timeline had been created through an author using an IP address. I checked the IP out to see if he edited in the last while to ask to adopt the article but I realized he hasn't edited in two years. I'm not entirely sure the author created an account or not. Should I still message the IP and ask to adopt the article, despite the fact that IPs change over time and he might not even get the message? Thanks. ChrisL123 02:01, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

hi lg

its dean, i wont be on much longer today, so i thought id say hi real quick. DeanSims 19:31, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Playing by the rules
We can go about this by the rules or I can bring you up for disciplinary action. The Libya article is up for review until March 10th. After that, the concensus will deternine what is done. If changes are not made to your satisfaction by then, you can adopt the then obsolete article as your own. SouthWriter 20:10, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

PS. That last part assumes that the community agrees with you. We have until next Saturday for other editors to chime in. SouthWriter 00:36, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

Okay al do it once a month. ima firin ma lazar!!!!! o(@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 01:57, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Eventual stuff
You know how you said that an India-Pakistan war would probably unite the sub-continent? Well, I think there is a way we can tie this in with unification. Lets say India invades Kashmir, to capture lost territory and more specifically Jammu, Kashmir is muslim (this could be a deliberate move). Pakistan will reply back and war would break out between the two. We then have the rebellion in Tamil Nadu taking place, speading to Andhra and Rayalaseema. Although Tamil Nadu will try to stop the rebellion, it cannot as Tamillian elements start to join in to free itself from an autocracy. In the meantime Pakistan manage to just win the war in a few crucial battles, taking a slight bit of land form the UIP.

This shows the need to the populace of the southern breakaways of banding together to protect from a Pakistani threat and now around half of all Tamilians pledge in their support to the rebellion. By this time the UIP would get their act together and with ANZC (or USSR) support help to liberate Nadu, Andhra and Rayalaseema as well as Nada. They will re-form the UIP and then... (I don't know, lol)

Your thought please! :D Imperium Guy 20:22, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Couldn't help noticing this as I looked for the Gansu thing

Hate to be the killer, but the SAC might even intervene if the UIP went on a campaign like that unless the UIP was attacked. There is little chance an invasion of Kashmir is occuring.

Oh my God. I'm starting to sound like LG...

jk GunsnadGlory 19:52, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Soz for the late reply...

I like the maybe winter stuff. I just hope I am still around, lol!! Most of these N-E nations are going to be maoist or run by something like maoism, won't they? And when they are invaded, their armies would fall, so would that mean that they could not form insurgency movements again? And tell Guns he's still got 30,000 edits to go to sound like u (I've only got something like 25,000!!!), lol. :D Imperium Guy 20:02, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

I hope to be!! I agree the UIP can use the tactics India in OTL cannot, proabaly because of humanitarian issues. I just saw my point and realised I am third although I don't remember making a lucky edit!! :D Imperium Guy 10:37, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

... Come to think of it... if one of them instigated it... the SAC might back off... GunsnadGlory 19:21, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

East/West Japan
Hi,

Thanks for the heads up on the East/West Japan page. I appreciate it.

G.

Sandbox
Why did you delete my sandbox? If I did something wrong can you explain what it was and help me fix it? Monster Pumpkin 21:49, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I din't know how to make one. When you deleted it I looked for rules regarding sandboxes for a reason why but I didn't find anything. Thanks for fixing that though, I appreciate it. Monster Pumpkin 03:34, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

QSS and Contradictions
I would like your advice on a problem I am having with Easternized World. As I adopted it, I cannot change Riction's work, only add to it, or else violate QSS. However, I have found a contradiction within his material he added to the earlier timeline, and thus I do not know if I should choose to accept one view.

The contradiction exists in the section on Spanish North Africa's religion. In the earlier timeline of the 1600s, Riction stated that "there was an unstoppable Christianization plan put into place that forced unconverted Muslims into hiding. Christians would become a majority in Spanish North Africa by the end of the century."

This makes it apparent that at least in the earlier parts of Spanish North Africa, Christianity has a strong hold. However, in a later post of his (in the 1800s timeline that I later moved to its own seperate page about the war), he speaks of the Spanish Nuclear Genocide targets in this way: "These cities included Kairouan, and Rabat - by far, the largest two. Marrakech was eyed as a concentration camp city, but was rejected, as it was by now mostly Christian Berber, while Kairouan and Rabat were still majority Muslim."

What seems strange here is that Rabat, one of the first cities the Spanish would take over, thus being under their rule the longest, would still be majority Muslim. If Christianity had failed to penetrate the large coastal cities, where the Catholic Spaniards would have the strongest holds on, and would have the most Spanish immigration, how could it possibly have penetrated the rural areas to the extent that the Christians there outnumber the ones in the cities? Kairouan's case is a bit more understandable, that Muslims would hold onto their holy city longer, but it still makes no sense after more than a century and a half after the Spanish territory has become majority Christian, that two of the earliest cities which the Spanish took (as they are on the coast) would still be majority Muslim, but somehow rural areas (which sensibly would have been less easily converted) would have converted faster.

What I want to do is just delete that one line which says that Spanish North Africa was Christianized, as the nuking of those two cities is much more important to the timeline, but I wanted an official word first. Thank you for your help. LurkerLordB (Talk) 01:10, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

You may like this
Hello LG. I have been doing more reading about Afghanistan, and I believe I have come across an interesting destiny for NU that I strongly believe you will like. I wanted to get some feedback before I make mention of it on the timeline. It involves King. I read that Najibullah invited him to return to Afghanistan, but the west pressured him not to go (because it was believed that had Shah began cooperation with Kabul, the Mujahedin would likely stop fighting). But had he remained in power (which is pretty much a given with the continued USSR), it would become less likely to keep Shah out. You know my stance on monarchies, but I find this scenario too good to push aside, and I can see two outcomes of this idea. Both involve the continuation of the Najibullah government, and are.


 * Shah becomes part of the negotiations to bring peace in the nation. Willing to work with the Afghans, Shah's return would encourage many of the Mujahedin to stop fighting (many of whom would not want to fight Shah himself). As far as this goes, this would allow no major changes to what is already canon, and could still lead to a separatist movement in the south.


 * Felling his time is long gone, Najibullah would agree on a proposal which would reestablish the Kingdom of Afghanistan. I believe this would gain support from both sides (as neither side would gain [or keep] power in Kabul), and would make the world happy.

I hope I have intreagued you. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 16:27, March 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't follow. You say "rump", do you mean the Najibullah government? Either way, glad youcan agree with me. So correct me if I'm wrong: Shah returns (not too sure what he would do if the monarchy isn't restored and remains the [D]RA), Massoud sides with Kabul, war breaks out with southern radicals, and Pashtunistan, Cyprus-like Afghanistan. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 19:55, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Shorter Spanish Civil War
Hey LG, I had a new idea for a timeline and I just wanted your opinion on it. I probably won't start on it until I get a considerable amount of work done on No Belgium but I just wanted to bring it up.

What I had in mind is that was a success that successfully overthrew the democratic government and resulted in an earlier Fascist Spain. Since the "civil war" would have been shorter, less lives would be lost (thus more ready troops), wouldn't have lost a considerable amount of weapons and aircrafts, and the country would not have much debt and destruction. What I had in mind was that in the 3 years Spain saved from a civil war, Hitler would try to create a closer relationship with the Fascist nations (Spain and of course Italy) and would promise Spain territorial gains such as Gibraltar and perhaps French colonies in Africa.

But my concern is would Spanish intervention cause a considerable amount of damage on the Allies? Could they in anyway help the Germans in an invasion (Operation Sea Lion?) or an air raid? ChrisL123 00:41, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Call it deja vu, but this was the exact same topic me and my friend were discussing!! A bit freaky to say the least. But my name topic is the UIP news thing, now would be a good time as any to get the WCRB headline about the Indo-Soviet Treaty of Friendship. :D Imperium Guy 20:44, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

wahts up LG?
hey dude, whats up? DeanSims 15:11, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, just wanting an elaboration on the Sino-Russian war. Is too unrealistic? How should i change it?

you lucky stiff, I ve wanted to see that since the commarcials came out, anything having to do with war on mars looks good to me. hope your inlaws are okay and dont hog all of the popcorn. DeanSims 15:37, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

lucky, all i get is the regular sized bag. they charge an arm adn a leg for popcorn these days, so i bring in my backpack, stuff it with chips, soda, and candy and wwalk right in. I buy a ticket,and go to my movie. saves me a ton, once i brought in a 3 liter of pop adn they didnt even check my backpack, it was bulging with junk food. DeanSims 15:50, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

No Louisana
Hey LG. I'm getting back to my timelines: No Louisana and I had an few questions. How would the Napoleonic War go if America didn't by Louisana, how would Mexico be affected, what how would the War of 1812 go? Enclavehunter 20:47, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

1983 DD Tajikistan
Hello again.

While I was looking through the DD maps I noticed that no one had made an article on Tajikistan. When I searched it to make sure, I found a page with nothing on it. On its talk page you had written that anyone could do something with it. Can I adopt it and create an article on it? Monster Pumpkin 21:21, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Curse you outdated maps! Oh well. So you're basically saying that I could make it an article on the Tajik SSR before doomsday? Monster Pumpkin 21:33, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

I know I didn't say it, but I kinda meant what you said as well. Making a history of the area during and after doomsday and all the nations and events that happened in/near it. Monster Pumpkin 22:01, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought I understood Stubs and templates. I took the template categorizing from the TEInfo template as a guide. I will stop putting that in there. I took your advice on India and Egypt, the flags were picked for visual purposes, but now i have a more consistent look for the two. hopefully :>)

I appreciate any advice and feedback. thank youCassAnaya 15:05, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Libya
Once the impossible states have been obsoleted you may want to make sure that all unclaimed land is divided between Egypt, Tamahaq and Cyrenaica.

Also had an idea about Cyrenaica, possibly divide it into eastern and western section, eastern section to remain Cyrenaica and the west to become Tripolitania?--Smoggy80 18:36, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Although saying that Caer's still fighting.--Smoggy80 18:45, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Ideas for an Y2K timeline?
Hey LG, again. I want to make an Y2K timeline (I know popular), and I was wondering how would I be able to make it, without going implausible? Enclavehunter 00:32, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

The ASBs
What are all the new ASB categories? I see bias, and time travel, but are there any others? And can things be more than one? Also, I assume biased includes biased against. LurkerLordB (Talk) 02:19, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

OK, good. And as for the biased against, I was imagining things like someone makes a timeline "John Kerry Wins in 2004" and then they say that since the Democrats ruled, it was the end of civilization or something. LurkerLordB (Talk) 02:27, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Egyptian/Tamahaq border
I would like to finalise an exact border for Tamahaq and Egypt in the desert of former southern Libya, I was thinking as there are no geographical features (like a river or major mountain range or something) in the area, what about using lines of longitude.

Which line is up to you. But I was thinking about 14 degrees east? also I will need a northern border I was thinking 25 degrees north.

If you type 25,14 into google maps it should brink up a pointer at 25 North, 14 East.

Adjust as needed.

--Smoggy80 18:39, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

13 east looks good, but 29 north is a bit far north for the Tamahaq border, it is after all a smallish country, I was thinking further south maybe 27 north? There is oil in that area and the Greeks could be exploiting it as the Egyptians are in the east--Smoggy80 09:49, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Split the difference, 28 degrees north it is.--Smoggy80 15:05, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

I don't understand what you mean by 14 degrees east cutting off territory on all maps?

In clarification, what I am suggesting is within the former Libyan border, a line from the former Libyan southern border at the point of 14 degrees east, then the line running north to 28 degrees north, then 90 degrees turn to the west and continuing until the western former Libyan border at the point of 28 degree north, giving a roughly square section of Tamahaq territory in the south west of former libya.

If you require it to be smaller let me know, thats why I said 25 degrees north originally, I was a little suprised when you mentioned 29 degrees north.--Smoggy80 15:47, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Ah didn't realise the line I'd suggested clipped Egyptian territory, sorry.

That line you've drawn looks fine to me, (could we start it at the old Chad/Libya/Niger tri-border point, i think its about 23N, 15E but could be wrong) I'll take the it to the 28th degree, let the greeks (or even Egypt) have more land, that area could be opened up for oil exploration (between 28 and 29 degrees north) as it does have some oil reserves.--Smoggy80 11:23, March 24, 2012 (UTC)



Something like that--Smoggy80 11:53, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Ok i'll take up to the 29N level, so something like this?



--Smoggy80 15:48, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Finland and Food in 1983: Doomsday
Previously, I made edits to the Finland and Food pages of 1983: Doomsday. I did see you have reverted it. Look, I wanted to say i was not vandalizing the page, yet the content was removed. Why was it? RandomWriterGuy 21:57, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Food is okay. I thought you removed the content.

For Finland, that page hasn't be edited for a long time! And it said it was put under adoption once! That's why I edited it. RandomWriterGuy 03:36, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Things In My Timeline
Hey, LG. I had a couple of questions for you. Recently, I have been working on this timeline. I'm starting from the present and working my way backwards. I have most of the details worked out, but some of the things that are bugging me are Space Travel and Expansion.

My earlier version of the timeline involved me randomly calling stuff that made the US get bigger. However, that was implausible, so I revised my timeline and gave it a real POD, in the Battle of Lundy's Lane in the War of 1812. Then the ASB tag was removed.

So now, I was wondering if I made space travel a little more advanced (say, moon bases with people living there), would it be reclassified as one of the ASBs? I noticed that in Aztec Empire, the USA and the Aztec Empire have a moon base (Ozcallan-Ontario) so I was inspired to put something of the sort in my TL.

My next question is about the Expansion. The Expansion goes like this:

1812: US wins Battle of Lundy's Lane and subsequently the War of 1812. (now known as the First Anglo-American War) Then the US acquires all of OTL Canada. (Although this was not the name of the area at the time)

Because the UK was more heavily involved in North America, the Napoleonic Wars lasted until 1817 and Napoleon's defeat at Waterloo by the Tenth Coalition.

After the First Mexican-American War (OTL Mexican-American War), the three Rio Grande states are taken alongside Alta California to prevent Mexico from attacking Texas.

Then when William Walker made the Republic of Sonora, it was annexed to keep the balance of states. (They would ironically become free states since the Rio Grande states were slave states and unbalanced the government.)

Then Mexico would wage more wars against America, resulting in total annexation.

So what do you think?

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:28, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, first off, thank you for explaining all that to me. However, the POD is that Lundy's Lane actually happened in 1812 (in the ATL, not OTL), which is why America won. I read that both sides were stronger (which is due to the fact that neither nation was worn-down yet.) Then the British would turn more forces to the North.

The Battle of Crysler's Farm would also follow earlier, with Americans now trying secure points along the Northern border. This would most likely result in a victory.

Now, I know that the British would have much more superior military, and power over the inexperienced Americans, but in most wars, soldiers are more willing to fight at the beginning of a war. (Although they're probably not that willing anyways.)

I was also considering, that near the end of the OTL war, Lord Liverpool would not realize that the War would do them no good (which he did in OTL), resulting in this war lasting longer, and maybe Upper and Lower Canada, and OTL Ontario area falling to America.

Then I suppose in the British Civil War and after World War II, the US could take the remains of scatterred Canada.

And by the way, I said above (Although this was not the name of the area at the time)

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 16:35, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

DD North Africa map
I've roughly done this map of 2012 North Africa, I know its rubbish as i'm really no good at maps



I've removed the old nations borders where they are no longer relevent, the only areas not claimed are shown in white.

is that correct or are any of the white areas taken? the bits in former Liberia will disappear in the next few months. --Smoggy80 18:08, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Also what is the nation north of Senegal and south of the Pais Del Oro? I can't seem to find reference to it anywhere.

And what is the RASD near Algeria?--Smoggy80 18:15, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Please stop
I would appreciate that you refrain from circumventing my wishes. I will work on the President's page when I feel it is ready. There was no need for you to revert my edits, and definitely no need to re-upload a duplicate image in order to circumvent me. All I ask is that you respect my wishes, as I don't do this to you. Please and thank you. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 22:21, March 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * I was not aware of the policy. And which picture are you referring to? But either way, what's done is done, time to move on. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 22:48, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Mesquite in 1983: DD
Hey LG. I was wondering if its plausible to have an small city-state located in Mesquite, Nevada, which is located south along the border of Utah and Nevada, and has its own water supply from the Virgin River nearby. Enclavehunter 17:56, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

Oh. Okay. Enclavehunter 21:56, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

New Ottoman Empire
Hey,

I realise the (my) timeline is ASB, but I cannot really think of a way to make it interesting. I'm fine with overhauling it to an extent, but I wondered if you have any suggestions?

TheB 16:13, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

RE:Warning
I am very sorry about happened late night, when is saw that I could earn badges by editing 1983: Doomsday, I kinda asummed it was a free edit. I should have looked to see if there was a policy and with it was before I edited it. Again I am sorry and it will not happen again. AH2000 8:05, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Ideas
I have a few ideas for new timelines. which I have garnered from reading the Changing the Times website and Othertimelines.com. Yank 14:29, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Three Mile Meltdown- I know the Three Mile Island disaster does count as a meltdown, but what if different circumstances cause a Chernobyl-style explosive meltdown?
 * 2) Zionist Uganda- What if the Zionists accepted the original Uganda plan?
 * 3) Ussuri River War- What if the Soviet Union and China went to war over the Ussuri River dispute?'
 * 4) Comrade Hitler- What if Hitler became a Communist?

I've got a few bonus timelines that I forgot to mention. Bonus: Yank 21:58, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) That's about it, but the post suggested that the meltdown would be strong enough to affect the American Federal government in Washington.
 * 2) The timeline had Israel form in East Africa instead of Palestine.
 * 3) I believe that the timeline's authors made the Chinese so blindingly stupid was because they realized the only way China could be taken down was if basically everyone ganged up on them. It's still the best timeline on that website
 * 4) The Axis consists of Germany, Austria, Spain and the Soviet Union. The Allies consist of the United States, Britain, France, Italy and Japan. The Japanese joined the war because fear of the Communist alliance was greater than fear of America. That and the fact that Tojo was made to commit hari-kiri.
 * 1) What would happen if Charles II was the last King of England? The position of Lord Protector becomes elected following Richard Cromwell.
 * 2) What would happen if the Confederate Clebourne Memorial was acted apon when the confederacy had time to reverse their fortunes? The Clebourne Memorial was a real document calling for the recruitment of slaves into the Confederate Army, and would give them their freedom after service. The timeline basically has Confederacy, as ironic as it seems, progressing far quicker in civil rights than the OTL US did. So much that they have their first black president a good 40 years before OTL. It's not all roses, as the Union had anti-black and anti-abolitionist riots that killed a good number of people (including the father of the Wright brothers). Through voluntary emigrations and forced deportations to Liberia the United States effectively rid themselves of their black population. The author is one of the finest free-lance alternate historians I have read on the internet. I've left a link to the article here.

I admit that many of the timelines are a bit absurd, so I'll concentrate on two. Yank 02:19, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Comrade Hitler- Republican Spain joined the alliance because of their aid in the civil war, and Austria did it because their government is nothing but a German puppet state. What would happen to the world after the Communist alliance is defeated?
 * 2) King Charles the Last- Where would the Royalist government form? Could we see the rise of a Kingdom of Virginia? What would be the butterflies resulting from this divergence?

I believe that the failure of the English restoration would provide enough Royalist refugees to strengthen Virginia, and the very Protestant Commonwealth would need to spend enough time holding down Scotland and Ireland. The Virginians would use this time to solidify their position on the continent.

Yank 02:59, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

hey LG
Im in springbreak finaly!!! whats up dude. was john carter any good? DeanSims 14:39, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

sorry, i missed your opinion of the movie. ive been good. spring break just started and i went to the library today and some old jerks tried to get me in trouble for not being in school because i took the best computer in the joint. and i vollunteered at a food bank, where these people go, the ones that tried to get me in trouble, and saw them there, they saw me, and they still tried to ge3t me in trouble. considering stopping being nice to peple i see there. DeanSims 14:51, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

yeah, i guess your right, its just that wenever im nice to someone, it always comes back to bight me in the ass.

in other news, i made a new recipe for french toast. and its actauly TOAST.

get some bread.

cinnamon,

sugar

syrup

pre-heat oven to 350 degrees farenhight

put sugar on the bread

put syrup on bread

put on cinnamon

optional: stick butter before you put on sugar and spread it on the bread, it helps the ingredaents melt together in the oven.

put in oven for 10 minutes

take out, and eat, or do what id o, and stuff my face.

DeanSims 15:12, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

alright, see ya dude, or tipe to you later. DeanSims 15:24, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Ideas II
Who should fill the position of third main member of the Communist Axis, then? Austria isn't a main member by any definition, as it is the equivilent to one of the weaker powers like Hungary or Romania that had the Germans pulling their strings. I have an idea on the nations that would exist in King Charles The Last's alternate North America. Tell me what you think about them. Yank 17:43, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Virginia- the aformentioned royalist exile state. King Charles I (OTL King Charles II) would likely adopt a constitution to appease his new country. Would likely own Bermuda.
 * Plymouth/New England- A puritainical theocracy, given how that was the makeup of the New England colonies at the time.
 * Canada- A primarily French-speaking state, as the British conquering of Canada may have been butterfly'd out of existance due to the POD. Either a republic or kingdom, depending on what happens to France proper.
 * New Netherland- The failure of the Restoration would effectively cancel the conquering of the colony, as it happened only a few years after the Restoration. Would likely still conquer New Sweden.
 * Mexico- Either a constitutional monarchy or a republic. May or may not own Louisiana.
 * Florida- Some form of Republic. Something of a melting pot as the country could have considerable communities of Frenchmen and Englishmen as well as the Spanish.
 * Alaska- With no America to sell the colony to, the Russians would likely keep the colony.

Other than adjusting the membership of the Axis-analogue, do you have any issues with the timeline? I'd like to focus on King Charles the Last. I would like you to discuss any issues you have with each of the countries. I'd really like to start work on this timeline. Yank 02:34, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Virginia- It's government structure is more or less what Britain would have had in OTL.
 * Plymouth/New England- a puritanical theocracy, akin to a Christian version of OTL Iran.
 * Canada- Another monarchy-in-exile.
 * New Netherland- A republic like the home country, but the head of state is actually elected in New Netherland.
 * New Sweden- Either a monarchy or a republic. They may want to rename their nation, but I don't know what to rename them.
 * Louisiana- Another French state, because New France as a whole was too huge to stay in one piece. The Louisianian royal line is another branch of the Canadian,
 * Mexico-A constitutional monarchy, but based around Agustín de Iturbide.
 * Florida- A presidential Republic, as it gives the three languages equal representation. They may have chose the "President" title because the three groups could agree on it.
 * Alaska- Potentially a refuge for the Czar and his family during the civil war. Even though it is centuries after the POD, the timeline could have the civil war happen earlier.
 * Deseret?- If the Mormons (or a similar group) arise in America, could a Mormons form a country in the confusion? It could be potentially be located in the OTL state of Illinois.

hey LG
WHATS UP? did you get enough sleep yesterday? DeanSims 15:30, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

alright tipe to you later. DeanSims 15:39, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

King Charles the Last
Do you have any issues with this timeline, or can we start creating it?

Yank 22:28, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Hi! I was wondering if you could me a bit with my timeline, A Violent Peace? It's not too plausible, so I would like to know if there are any ways I can make it plausible, mostly giving Hitler the meds he needs to not be a complete and total pschopath, turning him from warmonger to advocate for moral things (very specific, I know).

Canuck2012 19:40, April 2, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012