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Arkansas
Hey I saw your article on Arkansas. I would like to help you with it seeing as I am the author and caretaker of. --GOPZACK 00:44, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Reply
It's pretty obvious who you are talking about, but I am not going to intervene. So far this seems to be a private dispute between you and South, and I would rather it stay that way. If more people get dragged into it or it begins to affect the work being done on articles, than I will intervene. Mitro 14:27, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Answers
1) Probably not. Most of coastal and Central Maine is going to be either unlivable or under the control of warlords. Furthermore the Northern Townships and Aroostook control most of the civilized area. But there might be some, you are just going to have to research it.

2) It is simple really. For example, if you want to archive a talk page just create a new page titled "Talk:Page X/Archive 1". Than create the page like you would any other article and add the content you wish to archive.

3) Same thing as above really. If you want a Sandbox, create this page: User:Arstarpool/Sandbox. If you want an ideas page, create this page: User:Arstarpool/Ideas. There you go, you can edit both articles to your heart's content.

4) Technically you are right and I explained that to South and he has apoligized. That being said, South brought up a good point that the way I wrote the page makes it sound confusing. I am going to be rewriting it eventually and asking all members of the TSPTF to comment on it. That being said, your major duty is to look out for vandals or trolls, though you can do other things as long as it does not take away from your major duty. Mitro 23:21, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Question Concerning NV State Article
I noted you created the framework for an article about the state of NV. Do you have any problems I take it and make it my own since I have the knowledge about the state? Thanks.--Fxgentleman 02:12, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Celtic Blockade
Wouldn't the Celts be too busy elsewhere to commit these forces? Remember, we haven't decided how the Sicily War plays out yet.

Lordganon 10:05, September 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * What in the world, Alex? Where in the world did the charge of "weapons of mass destruction" come from? Is Prime Minister Price mentally unstable? Nothing in the article on East Britain indicates any capacity for any kind of "super weapon" - be it chemical or biological - but a weak "army" and even weaker "navy" using gun powder and a little dynamite. You really need something logical to base such drastic moves in these articles, you know. --SouthWriter 19:48, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

First Coast
Daytona has no reason to be attacked, the USSR would be more focused on attacking Jacksonville,Mami,Tampa, Merritt Island and other major bases. There is no real reason to attack it, but of course Toledo,Fort Knox,Wellington,Canberra, Charleston all get saved.--Sunkist- 12:30, September 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * The Good News is - St. Augustine and Daytona Beach would indeed have survived. The bad news is - First Coast would be a tiny, not thriving, Florida_Survivor_States.pngvor state. Vacation condos and hotels would become home to thousands of refugees, some very sick. The east coast of Florida was hit really hard, with only the "First Coast" surviving. The map to the right shows the three survivor states of Florida. Of the three, North Florida would have probably recieved any of the surviving state government (From Tallahasse to Gainesville). As you can see, the panhandle area would be available for a survivor state of its own (or expansion of North Florida as Perry originally wanted).


 * As you can see, though, the First Coast would not be large enough to be the leader in bringhing about a united Florida. If anything, the First Coast might have held together as an association of cities until discovered and annexed by North Florida in advance of the reunion with South Florida. Though I have advocated the capital being in Gainsville (established and home to the University), I can see an advantage to moving to St. Augustine. The First Coast is the only viable presense on the Atlantic coast, and as such presents an easier access to the rest of the East coast nations and the rest of the world.


 * South Florida, though reclaiming parts of the Atlantic coast, does not have a good port city. Datona would be an excellent port. All in all, the addition of the First Coast will make the coming united Florida Republic a strong contender in the Caribbean community. SouthWriter 16:03, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Deleting portions of talk pages/Celtic Alliance & East Britain
First off, if you're going to take the East Britain/Celtic Alliance conversation off the main talk page, archive it. Don't delete it wholesale as you just did. That's not as I understand the practice around here...at least it hasn't been.

Secondly, Arstar, your actions regarding your 'joke' were very unprofessional. It appears as if you're treating this timeline and the wiki like it was some sort of game. This ain't life and death, but there are people here who take this seriously enough to try to do good work and not pull some ridiculous joke. If you really do care about 1983:DD, you won't pull stunts like this. BrianD 03:38, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with BrianD. Just don't do somthing like this again, please?--Sunkist- 03:45, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

I archived it as I recall! It should be under the miscallenous discussion archive. Arstarpool 03:57, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

I noticed that after the fact, and apologize for my mistake. What led me to believe you hadn't was you not referencing it in the summary field; that is something that other editors have done when archiving sections. The remainder of my comments still stand. BrianD 15:15, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Brass
I just left messages on the talk page for the four 'brass' members regarding your behavior. I don't want to kick you out, I do want you to stop the nonsense, respect everyone else and learn to work well with others here. You have great potential but given my experience with you and how I've seen you work with others, I really don't want to work with you at all right now. I do not think that is a good thing, and I regret feeling that way, but I don't know what else to do. Arstar, this is a good timeline and in some ways I see it going down the drain and it kills me. Maybe that's why I'm being so harsh with you...I do care about the TL, and I think you do too. I don't want to have an adversarial relationship with you or anyone else but I must stand up for what I believe here, however it ultimately turns out. --BrianD 04:02, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Important
Arstar I am getting complaints from some active contributors regarding your recent actions. Chiefly from Brian who has expressed concern above. Here's what he told me on ym talk page in full if you have not seen it, "This user has constable rights but has acted in a number of ways since early summer that not only appear to serve his own purposes but make him difficult to work with at best. Very recently he has created a number of gateway articles for 1983:DD that should be open for all editors to use, but writes them as if he is setting editorial policy for the entire timeline. One example is Alabama, in which he huffs that "Brian and South(Writer) took it over pretty much on their own initiative...so I renounce having anything to do with it" The latest example is having the Celtic Alliance condemn a British survivor nation for heinous crimes, and writing an item on the wcrb news page...then pulling the item, and the section of the main talk page discussing the matter after leaving a message saying it was a joke. I am tired of this activity. This is extremely unprofessional and, if it remains unchecked, could cause significant problems later on, including good, quality editors leaving who don't want to deal with the nonsense.

Don't put news items on the talk page then retract them calling them "jokes". That's what spammers do, the very people you are suppose to be watching for. I need not remind you what happens to them. Don't be so adversarial with people when the criticize your work, your made great strides but you can improve. Do not set new editorial guidelines for the 1983: Doomsday timeline or for any other community timelines. Regards, --GOPZACK 04:11, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

I also don't like that you've collected the caretaker title for every article you can get your hands on despite not making any edits or contributions to those articles and acting like they're yours and you can do whatever you want no matter what anyone says.Oerwinde 08:35, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Arstar, let me say that I agree with what has been said above, even the part about you improving since the trial. Your apology to Fx I felt was sincere and mature. However, as far as I can tell, the entire 1983DD community appears upset by your most recent actions. If I may be so bold, I would like to suggest a few things you should do in an effort to improve your relations with your fellow editors:
 * No more jokes on articles. This can easily be classified as the work of trolls or vandals, and it is not funny. If you must joke, do so on the talk pages.
 * If people leave a message or make an edit that angers you, avoid responding immediately. Take a break, collect your thoughts and then write a response. If you feel someone is attacking you for no reason, contact me, don't fire back at them.
 * You have created a lot of proposals recently. I would not be surprised if more than a quarter of the current proposals are your creations. Take this opportunity to expand some of your articles and graduate them before creating new articles or rushing other people's articles through graduation.
 * If someone puts your article up for review, don't respond by immediately removing the banner from your work. Respond to the person's objections and wait for them or a nuetral third party to do it.
 * Finally, I think you should renounce your role as caretaker for some of the articles you have adopted, especially the ones where you have done little to no work on updating them. Many feel that you have taken on this role for to many articles that are not your creations, and personally I agree. Why do I ask you to do this? First, it would show your fellow editors that you are not trying to control the TL. Second, there is only so much one editor can do and even I doubt you can give your complete attention to all of the articles you have created and adopted.

Remember, these are only suggestions, not orders. In the end it is your decision where to go with these recent set of complaints I have received about you. I hope though that you make some effort to repair your reputation at the 1983DD community. Mitro 15:03, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks buddy
I read the message on your talk page and its ok --Owen1983 12:53, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Contact between the Celtic Alliance and Lancaster
Given that they're quite close to each other, although there is a fairly wide region of radioactivity between Liverpool and Lancaster's southern border, it seems likely that they'd meet sooner rather then later. What would be a good year? I was thinking of sometime in the late '90s.Tessitore 23:02, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I've adding a section on contact being made on the Lancaster article, please let me know what you think.Tessitore 16:34, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Outer Lands


Thank you so much. I have already done some cleanups and some corrections. I also designed a flag, but because wikia is having a temporary glitch with its images, you can only see the old version, not the new version I uploaded. --NuclearVacuum 01:58, September 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * [Its the Caretaker's order, mmkay :))] I am not pestering you with working here, am I? --NuclearVacuum 13:24, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * "Caretaker's order"? Arstar, what does that mean? Mitro 14:47, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * The "mmkay?" was seeking permission, I think. Actually the caretaker role has been flopping around on this one. Nuke is working on the assumption that the canon article is sound until otherwise altered. It may have been unwise to put in the political divisions with capitals in the midst of the Plymouth debate, but Nuke was within his rights. Barnstable was considered the capital of the county "now" known as Cape Cod and nothing in canon has changed that. A caretaker cannot change canon anymore than a historian can change history. SouthWriter 15:05, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * So... I am pestering. I didn't realize that there was a debate going on in the region. I don't want to be giving out wrong information or getting on people's nerves. Maybe I should leave this to Arstar to deal with on his own, just to be on the safe side. --NuclearVacuum 15:18, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, that makes me feel better. I though you were annoyed at me. But either way, I am not going to be moving my focus towards Long Island. I have some interesting ideas in mind, but one step at a time. --NuclearVacuum 23:57, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Pennsylvania
How you described the split (North Penn/west-north, State College/central, Reading/east) would be how I'd divide the state between the three. At this point there may be some salvageable material from the nuked cities as well. --BrianD 04:49, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Connecticut
I saw the article and wrote a reply on the talk page. BrianD 05:01, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Plymouth
I saw it earlier tonight and I want to take a closer look at it and the two articles tomorrow before I comment further. That, and it's a little late to take the time to properly review all of it.BrianD 05:12, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Both look fine if it's decided to keep them separate entities. The main question is what are they now politically in relation to one another? If they are one entity, when did the merger happen? Those questions need to be resolved. We also need to keep in mind Nuclear Vacuum's proposals, and however Jnjaycpa answers the questions I asked of him on the Republic of Yale talk page. Because if Nuc can make a case for a survivor state on Long Island, and jay the same for New Haven, then that changes the dynamics of Plymouth, Outer Lands and even Vermont significantly. BrianD 19:04, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Owen1983
Hey, Arstar, do you know what did Owen1983 do? He nominated somebody, said that he didn't want any favour, and then on Louissianan's page he asks to become a member of the TSPTF. Incredible, isn't it? Fedelede 23:46, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Somehow, I'm not surprised to see him do that. And this guy really is a member of the admin on the alien species wiki, though it is beyond me how he did that.

Wish he'd go away, myself. These Manchester attempts are getting old, to be frank.

Lordganon 03:30, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Owen is probably the most annoying editor on this wiki, but he has yet to do anything that deserves an immediate ban. Nominating Smoggy as a Constable, asking Louis to be on the TSPTF and his bad spelling are not enough to get banned. Any editor here can do the same thing and still be considered a respected contributor.


 * Don't worry, I have already warned him about removing banners and if does that again he will be blocked immediately. Also if he does anything else that is remotely ban worthy, he will get banned. He has already been banned 3 times so it probably won't be long until he is banned again. In fact that works against him because it means a longer ban this time. Keep me posted in case you see anything that I miss. Mitro 04:01, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I always assumed either english wasn't Owen's first language, or that he's an 8 year old. Either way the way he keeps attempting to stick a survivor state in Manchester and North Bend despite everyone shooting it down every time he tries is bordering on spam now.Oerwinde 07:06, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah - and I have to doubt he's from Britain like he claims, unless he's actually like 8. Lordganon 07:45, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * In all fairness to Owen, he was never responsible for the North Bend articles. That was Ocelot. Mitro 11:56, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * My bad, Ocelot is much worse.Oerwinde 16:39, September 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just in response to what you said Arstar, I'll take Mitros approach, if he does anything ban worthy I'll get on it right away. --GOPZACK 15:46, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Isn't there any way we can set up a three strikes and you're out rule? but with maybe five strikes not three? so if you get blocked five times you banned? or maybe successivly longer bans, maybe start out at a week block, after four seperate week blocks you get a whole month block and if you still dont get it after a whole month block you get banned?--Smoggy80 16:27, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

[Deleted - see talk:Fegaxel. SouthWriter 19:57, September 13, 2010 (UTC)]

Fegaxeyl 19:21, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Re Spain
I was trying to remove the 1983:Doomsday template but I think i rolled back by accident but I thought I undid that & just removed the category. --GOPZACK 15:46, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Adoption of Bermud
Hey, sorry for not getting back to you very quickly. It's fine for you to adopt Bermuda, though if I have any thoughts for it I hope you'd be okay with me at least putting them by you for ideas? --Gamb1993 22:11, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

North Carolina
you are assuming Just becuse I am from Manchester I am Stupid does it matter to you that i have been interested in Geography since i was 8 years old it may surprise you that i now were North Carolina is --Owen1983 00:10, September 13, 2010 (UTC) I

Re: Costa Rica
Your uncle is Abel Pacheco? I find that unbelievably cool. I spent two weeks in Costa Rica a couple of summers ago. It was a bus tour with a bunch of couples old enough to be our parents, so maybe it wasn't the best way to see the "real" country, but believe me, ¡me enamoré de su país! And yes, between the Costa Rica and Panama pages, I did an awful lot of research. I'll try to address your concerns. ¿Contesté suficientemente sus preguntas? Benkarnell 03:21, September 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Firstly, stylistically I wanted a pessimistic beginning followed by an optimistic ending. This is a dystopic timeline, so I wanted CR to go through a very difficult time, but I wanted it to come out bruised but undefeated, doing what it does best: forging consensus, neutrality, and goodwill.
 * More specifically: the police force is tough (I remember!) but keep in mind CR had to face essentially three separate invasions: Contras, Sandinistas, and Panamanian refugees/drug lords. And still more Nicaraguan refugees, though they probably got lost in the shuffle.
 * The economy: besides the civil war, I'd argue that losing the US as a trading partner would be much more damaging than you say. First, it was 1983, and the economies of South America were not as big as they are in 2010, and the US's share of CR trade was bigger. Second, it would take time for CR to realign its trade to become more South America-focused. It couldn't be done in an instant. And in an ideal world CR would certainly have begun to move in that direction - but then came the war, messing everything up. Third, after the nuclear attacks most South American nations hunkered down and worried about their own for a period. Even if some didn't, it was certainly a time for caution, not time to go seeking new business opportunities abroad.
 * Finally, Limon: This is actually a part of the story that "wrote itself" and surprised me. I certainly hadn't set out to create a Limonese separatist movement when I started. But it was a product of the unusual circumstances of the civil war and its aftermath. For a time, Limon was CR's provisional capital. The Limonese were at the center of power. Then... they became marginalized again. Wright and his party took advantage of the resentment many of them felt when he staged his coup. But the Limonese Socialist Party was never as broad-based as it presented itself; it never represented "all" of the ethnic Limonese. And the separatist movement formally lasted only from 1997-2004, when they were defeated militarily. They accepted "autonomous region" status in 2005, which basically means they have a "president" instead of a governor. Not much else. There's still tension and civil unrest in Limon, but the separatists lost and everyone knows it. The current Limonese leader, Patterson, is a moderate who does not support full independence.


 * Hm. I still stand by what's there for Limon. I tried to explain, it's not like the ethnic group just decided to have a rebellion one day. It was a very specific group of people moved to extremism after a very specific and unusual set of circumstances.
 * As for the Central Valley, that is interesting. I could change the part at the very beginning where the Sandinistas invaded the Central Valley in 1985 (but left it after the cease-fire in 1987). In 1989, however, I'd think that guerrilla groups could still get in there little by little, which is what the maps show. And that could be when the government begins to relocate to Limon - the Valle Central was getting dangerous, but Limon was still very peaceful. (To repeat my point, the whole "sepratist" thing started years later and involved much more than 'our skin and language are different'.)
 * Then when the Sandinistas invade again in 1989-90, they do so with the help of a sizeable Costa Rican contingent - maybe even a faction of the police who believe the Sandinistas will do a better job than Calderon. Or is that unrealistic? I'm trying to maintain a mood of overall chaos during these years: probably a lot of people had trouble figuring out who was on what side. Benkarnell 04:42, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Future histories
The problem with all of the other responsibilities is that they are connected to a page or category that automatically updates. I don't think there is anything we could write that would do the same for future histories. The new page responsibility pretty much does the same thing since admins should be patrolling the new pages looking for future histories. Mitro 01:49, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Ural Territory
In my mind, the Ural Territory is as big as the map on the main Socialist Siberia page. Russia in OTL also can't really say that it "controls" Siberia in the same sense that France controls its territory for example, seeing as the area is vast and places are few and far between. In the TL however, there is a slightly larger human presence in the area, although negligibly more. What I want to say is that these areas are not as heavily monitored inside the territory, as infrastructure, towns and industries are being rebuilt in the area. The border, however, is monitored heavily by the government, thus it is the gateway that it is described to be in the article. Finally, the article also states that it will become part of the USSR (specifically the RSFSR), sometime in early 2011. My long term plans also had another Territory spring to life, the Northwestern Territory, which would take the rest of the Arctic shore and annex Soviet Karelia, as well as lawless parts of the Kola peninsula.--Vladivostok 07:45, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

SAC
Hola Arstarpool, pero quiero que sepas q Katholico, Fedelede y yo planeamos en adoptarlo, si quieres revisa el talk page de esos usuarios. VENEZUELA 22:03, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I did not read your message, of course you can. VENEZUELA 22:04, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

SAC es de ustedes, hagan lo q kieran, igual los estare viendo para divertirme--Fero 05:30, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

What day we start arstar? also in histry we should include: the Indian Problem, the Panama Problem, and Singapur. VENEZUELA 18:06, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Also what do you think of changing the flag? VENEZUELA 23:14, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Well I think I should take history instead of economy I could change it with someone, and i was thinking that the SAC could build a city were it will have it's new headquarters and be a SAC administrative zone, much like Brussels in Bye Bye Belgium, and it would be the cultural capital of the Americas populated mainly by professionals. Also what do you think about the SAC reforming into the LAC the next year the Latin American Confederation. it would include Puerto Rico and Honduras as full members and Singapore as an observer member. VENEZUELA 23:30, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Brazil IS a Latin American nation, they speak a latin language, search latin america if you don't believe me, and what about the "Pan-American District? VENEZUELA 23:40, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Well maybe it would an ecological city located in Mato Grosso. VENEZUELA 00:03, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Superior
Arstar, I'd like to adopt Superior from you if you're not going to do anything with the nation. The Editorial Guidelines allow others to adopt articles recognizing that there are instances where editors no longer have time to contribute to the TL and move on to other things; that the TL is an ongoing endeavor; and that it's unrealistic to allow articles to go unedited if the former editor leaves. I don't know what your plans are for the article, but looking at its history you've made two edits to the article since adopting it from Lahbas this summer. I believe that Superior is one of the more important countries in North America in TTL, and I know that Lahbas put an awful lot of work into Superior. I don't want to see that go to waste, and if you don't want to work with it, or don't have the time to work on it, I want the article. BrianD 14:48, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Nah, I'm good. I am going to finish work on the other side of the Great Lakes region and then I am going to finish the Saguenay War with Oer some time soon. Contrary to what you think I have a "schedule" on what I am going to do, and finishing the Saguenay War is one of them. Arstarpool 01:30, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

The Saguenay War was settled.--BrianD 13:13, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

2009 Saguenay War.BrianD 17:18, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

No, I mean I hope to add more detail to the nation pages regarding the outcome and stuff. We still have to decide whether the war was dragged into the southern Ontario countries or not. Arstarpool

Ah. I got ya. BrianD 04:10, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

As a matter a fact, you can "caretake" Superior with me. I'm clearing out any straggling issues on North Pennsylvania and then I'm off to finishing the United Communities. The UC will include an overview regarding the political situation in the Great Lakes+ St. L. River, and of course it will include Superior. Then, here comes a doozy. I am going to have the UC invite Canada in sometime this year, where ambassadors from Canada will discuss with the Superior President about the border dispute. If I decide that Superior will be in the UC or not this dispute will be "handled" by the UC. They will decide the best course of action for the Ontario lands and we may see plans for Kitchner, London, Norfolk, and Midland to unify sometime soon or to solidify into 2 united blocs. Sometime by 2012 we are going to see some sort of unified southern Ontario territorial government governed "in check" by Canada, and by then Superior will either need to return the lands to this territory or face declaration of war by Canada. I have a lot more planned than people think I do. Arstarpool 04:23, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was wondering if I may also be part of this joint caretake of Superior. The original author of the article and I often clashed regarding Superior and Superior related issues. This does not mean that I plan to start changing canon, but it does mean that I have a pretty good understanding of the nation and would like to help. Plus I have visited Northern Michigan several times so I have some personal knowledge of the area as well. Mitro 18:20, September 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * I will accept your offer, Arstar, and also ask that you allow Mitro to be a co-caretaker. I remember those clashes. As I said, I want to respect what Lahbas has done before; in fact I really liked how he made the Superior government a carbon copy of the U.S., down to the politics and the rebuilt capitol. The one thing I may want to change is the lack of newspapers, though I think I can come up with a plausible explanation for that. I am interested in seeing what both of you have in mind for the nation, not just in regards to the UC but with the formerly provisional United States out west. BrianD 19:35, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

What do you think?
Hey Arstarpool I'm working on the timeline for Central World so what do you think of what I have done: The Turbulent 1910's andThe Roaring 1920s. [[User:VENEZUELA|VENEZUELA 04:19, September 25, 2010 (UTC)]]

The Russian Civil War wouldn't happen. Or maybe it would happen but the monarchy would definitely win. Probition wouldn't happen either in the United States. Instead, drinking would be on a rise if we had just lost a war like that. Also, Manifest Destiny was over by the last days of the 1800's. There is no way that would happen. Arstarpool 04:28, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and there wouldn't be an Irish or New Zealand independence just yet. And what about Newfoundland and Labrador? Would they at least remain British for a while? The Great Depression wouldn't happen because America's economy wouldn't be as it was back then in OTL. Arstarpool 04:32, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

North Penn
Congratulations It looks like North Penn has finally been graduated. Glad you stuck with it. --GOPZACK 20:12, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Unifications in 1983: Doomsday
I'm doing what Brian does and I'm gonna leave ideas on my own talk pages from now on. Here is an idea I have;

Since so many areas have been shown to be full of life, why not we begin the first steps towards a reunification? Here are some viable sports for reunification.


 * Ithaca and Binghamton - They're a county away from each other, and they are like brother and sister, reunification is inevitable. Name ideas?


 * The Mini CSA States - They're all side by side, plus it would help the economy, but they might make a sort of USA Enclave possibly.


 * The South Ontario County-States - Through the United Communities they all have really good relations, plus they have really no cultural differences. Name ideas could be a Realm/Commonwealth of South Ontario, or simply a Realm of Ontario or they might come back under proper Canadian control.


 * State College, Reading, and North Penn - Read the North Penn talk page.


 * Virginia and Kentucky - Yes, I said it, its obvious who will dominate. Name ideas might be: Commonwealth of Virginia and Kentucky (both states are Commonwealths originally).


 * Plymouth, Outer Lands - Its probably gonna happen, but if they unite they will have to use the name Plymouth some where in the title. That was my only wish.


 * Prince George and Victoria - I dont know about this one. Name could be a reunited Commonwealth of British Colombia.


 * Pasco, Cascadia, Oregon, and the United States - If it happened it would be a larger USA.


 * Wisconsin and Superior - I may actually have this happen. Name ideas appreciated.


 * Adircondack Mountain Association Members - The unification is planned for 2011. Name ideas are welcome.


 * New York Ranger City-State Clients - If it happened it would be the loosest of the loose confederation.


 * Vemont, Northern Townships, and Aroostook - This would be tricky, and they would have to practically take over Vermont to have this happen. Name idea would have to do with New England.

Arstarpool

The Pasco/Cascadia/Oregon one is likely. The Prince George/Victoria one isn't likely in the near future, especially after a large part of them recently specifically voted not to join Victoria. Possible maybe in 20-30 years. The Wisconsin and Superior one... I don't even know why Superior set up a separate nation rather than just annexing Wisconsin to begin with. I say just have the Wisconsin government petition for annexation into Superior. Reorganize the states into larger divisions rather than municipalities, and keep Superior as the name. The Ranger cities could possibly set up as something like a New York Federation, with the Rangers as the federal police force. Much of southern Ontario will likely revert to Canadian control. Kingston being the first, then probably Waterloo. London being much more self sufficient will likely hold out longer, but barring the creation of some sort of Great Lakes Republic, with N. Penn, Toledo, and Niagara Falls, will likely rejoin Canada in the future.

Oerwinde 09:20, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Minor ANZ islands
I'm sorry I missed your message. I have no problem with your doing some writing for the minor ANZ islands.

You didn't reply to my last piece about Costa Rica. Does that mean I answered your objections, or just that you got tired of arguing? I'll emphasize again that (1) the separatist movement failed; (2) it was begun by an activist more or less on the political fringe; and (3) the current autonomous status and civil unrest do not amount to another push for independence. No one but the most radical Limonese seriously talk about separation anymore. Benkarnell 20:35, September 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem at all - For the one page he appears in, I just needed an Alaskan public radio journalist. Their biographies are hard to pin down, so it's possible John Ryan's not the best survivor.  Here are a couple of links about him with photos and a little info about his career... nothing on where he was born or was living in '83, unfortunately.  Benkarnell 02:17, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Indiana
Please tell me what is impossible..--Sunkist- 04:55, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Mhm, I see what your coming from..it would be more suitable to be be part of the UC. About the nomads, if you clearly look it states that they meet Natives in Indiana, not telling what part of the state, Toledo also controls part of Indiana, Ohio is part of the midwest, and they would never know about Toledo, if we want Toledo and Indiana to work we need to change that part up alittle. Also the southern part of the state went under the control of Baron Hill and let to the signing of the unified nation of Bloomington, Evansville and Southern Indiana into Kentucky.--Sunkist- 05:22, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Yes I know about the natives, I'm not talking about changing Toledo, I'm talking about Superior. The area where Superior meets the natives is some where in northern Indiana, in which Toledo controls part of it..and the natives have no idea of Toledo?...would also help get Indiana cannoned. And why would they end up in Indiana when there in Detriot, wouldent they follow the lake to seek out Toledo?--Sunkist- 05:45, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

That would work, seeing as at the time Indiana hadent really expanded much. Clearing that up..do you think Indiana could pass cannon?--Sunkist- 05:54, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I have to attend school. Could you maybe work on it while I'm gone?..try not to reduce the area..I'll review it if you do anything to it, thanks :D--Sunkist- 06:20, September 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, Alex. I was intrigued by what seemed to be an edit war between you and Sunkist. However, when I got into the talk exchange, I saw that you two were working it out in discussion as well. However, I think the way you just pre-emptively edited parts of the article was heavy-handed. The suggestions should have been made, and discussion to follow. Everyone does not have the same ideas about the League of Nations as you do. It should not matter about whether a nation has a port. If a nation is legitimate, and can get an ambassador to move to the south Pacific, then it can have a good chance of becoming a member. In OTL the UN is not a place where representatives travel once every few years to "meet" and then go back home. These representatives live in NYC. The same should be the case with the League of Nations in TTL.


 * Over all, though, you are doing well working out the kinks, but this should not be just between you and Sunkist. The article may meet with approval of the majority while not being to your more and more exacting standards. The fact that many have come to the conclusion that "no more large states" can be made was made after this state proposal began, so you need not hold Sunkist to the "tiny band of communities" like you are doing. Your own "North Pennsylvania" has fewer large towns than Sunkist's Indiana, but you have turned N. PA into a regional powerhouse (though you have scaled it back quite a bit).


 * I hope you fared well through the pounding Nicole sent our way. We had a lot of rain in the western Carolinas from the cold front. SouthWriter 15:20, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, we didn't get anything too bad. Other than rain and a couple of fallen trees we weathered the storm (no pun intended) pretty well. The Bahama's, however got pounded. Oh, and South, do you think we should incorporate the storm into the southern US nation state articles and the WCRB News? Arstar [talk] 00:16, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

The ideas with Indiana have got my attention, and I really like the Provisional ideal, did you ever get done with the map?...I'm no good with maps XD. Thanks.- ---Sunkist- 03:48, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, to be honest no. I'm working on a huge re-write of North Pennsylvania as we speak but as a favor I will make you one now. It should be up within the next 30 minutes. Arstar [talk]

EDIT: Sorry, but I have to go to bed. I'll have one by the weekend! :) Arstar [talk] 04:33, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

I'm changing the story back, but you can still help :D----Sunkist- 05:21, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

In the interview, could you add something about Indiana, I'm kinda re-considering Indiana position with the UC.---Sunkist- 02:19, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Europa Games
The Europa Games are due to start in a couple of days and I thought I'd check as to whether or not you plan on the Celtic Alliance taking part?Tessitore 22:46, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Since you've got nations taking part, could you please add them to the participants list?Tessitore 00:06, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hurricane Nicole
Hi, Alex. I left a note on the main talk page, but I thought I'd hop over here and chat a moment as well. I don't think you should try to make a tropical storm that broke up before it reached Florida into a Category 3. If anything it might reach a weak Category 2 as it hits Cuba, and then it could brush the Keys and the Everglades as a Category 1. As we watch the storm bring so much rain up the coast, each of us east coast writers - especially Outer Banks and Delmarva - could then brace for a continuing Category 1 (maybe making landfall near Virginia Beach. That should soak some spirits in the Republic of Virginia!

The time line is chaotic enough without putting together "super storms" at levels so high. For simplicities sake, let's stick to maybe one level above what actually happens, and track the storms as identical to OTL. In the changed weather, there is no way of knowing exactly what would actually happen or when. Perhaps there will be a bigger storm later in the season. Or you could write up one of the storms that hit in the 2000's. That being said, I hope you are faring the storm well. SouthWriter 03:51, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

It just passed out of my neighborhood. The streets are flooded, and I decided to take a walk. The water was about a foot high in some areas! Of course it doesn't help that I live in a gated/walled community so that makes the water pile up more, but there were no casualties in the Miami-Kendall-Pinecrest area so far, other than the neighborhood squirrels :(

Anyways, South, how are you doing? I heard the storm was coming up towards you guys, but since you live in the interior of SC (Piedmont Republic area, right?) I'm assuming the worse you are getting is some rain. But nevertheless I hope everyone in the area of the storm is doing well. Arstar [talk]

Sorry to hear about the squirrels. Yeah, we've been getting a lot of range associated with the large Low over the east coast. The storm is being turned along the coast, so we will probably keep getting some rain for a few more days. Just last week I saw a headline of lowering water levels on the lakes (yep, the Piedmont Republic -- my home), worrying about drought conditions. Somebody prayed for rain -- and we got it! Saturday evening my neighbor had a wedding in his back yard. Beautiful weather for it, not a cloud in the sky. By the next morning we'd probably had six inches. The storm developed fast and came quick. Then we had regular rain for a few days. But all in all we did well (we live at the top of a hill). I haven't been out much, so I stayed dry. I would say "stay dry," but it's too late. Be sure to dry off well, we wouldn't want you to catch a cold. SouthWriter 04:59, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

For some reason I'm immune to wetness and the cold so don't worry about me getting sick; look at the climate I grew up in: The mountains of Costa Rica! The reason I would be on so much during the summer would be because it was always rainy over there. Rained so bad me and my buddies made a cold-water pool made up of logs and rocks and it filled up within like 15 minutes. Of course they all got sick but I stayed fine :P

Oh and look at the South Florida article, do you think the storm casualties were too much? Even though South Florida is more or less a "developed nation" in North America they wouldn't have the shutters and houses like we have today. Arstar [talk] 05:36, September 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Check out what I did with Hurricane Hugo at the Peedee Nation. Now THAT was the result of a "developing" (if not, "third-world") nation taking it on the chin!  But I just hyped that from a Cat 3 to a Cat 4, I think.  I think the casualties, based on the primitive conditions in much of the area, are about right in the case of Nicole (but see discussion elsewhere about naming storms).  However, perhaps let's bring it down to a strong Cat 1 as it makes landfall in Florida.  Maybe have it clobber Havana as a Cat 2.  Then we could warn Cape Hatteras that the storm will probably gain strength over the Atlantic.  Let the editor(s) of those articles (Fx ?) deal with a landfall up there!  SouthWriter 05:53, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Recent Adoptions
Are you trying to take over the managment of the whole time line? :-)

Seriously, Alex, you are adopting some of the heavy duty nations of America and Europe. Superior, the Celtic Alliance, and the Alpine Confederation, are heavy players in their areas. Nothing happens in Europe without the CA and AC being in the know. And then there is Northern Germany. What a mess!

I just hope you don't spread yourself to thin. Writing one article well - like the one on North Pennsylvania - takes a lot of work. Taking on these established articles will tax your research skills to the max. And remember, the community will not abide wholesale rewrites everywhere just to meet your ever-tighter standards. I am a stickler for detail, but I have learned to compromise. I hope that in your zeal you don't become frustrated so as to ruin your creative insight.

Good luck, though. SouthWriter 04:49, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, don't worry! You seem to forget most of my articles are worked in with one or more people! But seriously, I have to admit Superior has brought me to a standstill on almost everything I had in mind. In fact I had about six articles I needed to work on but this whole issue with Superior, which isn't ending anytime soon is making me grow some gray hairs. However I still have time for a lot: I recently updated the Alpine Confederation, and since I adopted the South American Confederation along with the rest of the "Latinosphere" of the wiki I've put in a cleaner template, map, and other things. The Celtic Alliance is pretty easy to maintain, Taiwan and North Germany are the ones I edit the most, and then there are my homegrown articles!

I like having a lot of articles, though. However there are some I never pay attention to (Luxembourg!) or other articles who have people who dispute me taking care of it (Orleans).

PS: I adopted most of the aforementioned articles months ago! Arstar [talk] 05:04, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

In waiting
I noticed you put Prescott, Australia and New Zealand on your "no time and/or no interest" list on your user page. I'd like to help if that's alright. And if it's alright, did you have any ideas/thoughts on any of those articles you wanted to put in them? --BrianD 13:31, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, yes, I will work on Prescott soon. However since you created the idea it is yours as much, and more as it is mine. I just have a lot of work to do with Superior and I have a project for school so I made a list of my bare-bones proposals that some people can adopt. But to be honest, I'm not "feeling" Australia right now. I am going to work on the culture section for the ANZC soon but I am dumbfounded on what I should do for the Australia article itself. Arstar [talk] 01:36, October 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll wait on Prescott. I have an idea as to why it's independent as opposed to Mexican territory, and also I would think it is now getting some aid from Mexico, a little from West Texas and Dinetah. The WCRB may be interested in setting up shop there, too. In regards to Australia and New Zealand, I feel it: it would be like the articles done on the individual states in the United States. Australia and New Zealand are part of a commonwealth, and in some ways are independent and in some ways are not. How they are and aren't independent, we're trying now to work out on the ANZC page. --BrianD 15:33, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Map Game
Hi Arstarpool would you like to join the WWIII 1962 (Map Game) we need communists and a Soviet Union. VENEZUELA 15:57, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Owen
I removed your last message on Owen's talk page. I really don't care how much you don't like him. I realize he is a problem, but your message was completely uncalled for. It was insulting and unecessary. Don't do it again. Mitro 02:59, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Assiniboia's size
Though he didn't ask me about the new map, it is jst about what I imagined Assiniboia's size to be.

Yankovic270 22:38, October 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, Yank. I tried to find the "new map," but all I see is the old one. If Assinobia is going to be smaller, are you guys shaving off some of the North Dakota wasteland? SouthWriter 23:54, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

It's because Arstar reverted the edit to the old map without asking me whether or not I liked the map. The first time Assiniboia has a map made after the 1800's and someone reverts it almost immediately.

Yankovic270 00:05, October 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * I remember asking you about the original map back when you first posted it. It does seem to take a bit of a chunk out of North Dakota. What does Arstar (or is it Tbguy?) propose for the new boundaries? SouthWriter 00:20, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * PS I checked the history.  I see what he did.  He took more of Manitoba.  Makes sense - that area "belongs" to the province anyway and nothing's stopping the acquisition of the land except the expanse of it all.  As long as the Dakotas (Zack and I need to work on that) keep Fargo, I'm good with expansion into Canada.  SouthWriter 00:25, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Nepal&Bhutan
Sure, you can adopt them. I only made them because I saw a hole in the map to be honest. --DarthEinstein 19:23, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Superior, etc
Thought I would put this here too.


 * Eastern borders of Superior rolled back to the Island, and south east rolled back to tip of the peninsula.
 * Midland borders rolled back southward/westward.
 * Establishment of Sudbury and Kingston city states.
 * Sudbury effectively allied to Superior, having been aided by Superior with food, etc.
 * Kingston held by Canadian remnants in region.
 * Kingston as on map shrunk.
 * Kitchener established as well, opposition to London.
 * Likely not a member of the UC due to this.
 * Ontario city-states generally supportive of Superior, hosting military teams and exploratory parties and even looking into joining the state until the discovery of both Kingston and the word of the definite survival of Canada through the raiders.
 * Still meet up with Maine/Vermont forces, who confirm everything.
 * Still work with it, as Canadian government cannot get support to them, but now refuse to join them.
 * Leads to the various city-states (inc. Sudbury) joining the United Communities, except TB, Kingston, and Midland.
 * Add the nuclear destruction of Hamilton and CFB Gagetown, as well as second strikes on Montreal (at Laval), Toronto (At Missisauga) and CFB Edmonton (strike on city itself over Strathcona, on the south side of the river).
 * Superior desires to gain the city-states, so they fund/supply the Raiders using roads, etc. through Sudbury and north of Midland and Kingston
 * This ensures that the Canadian government cannot break the raiders and regain the area, though they have been weakening them as of late, with the addition of Ara~ efforts from the south.
 * The raider-controlled zone has shrank as defined in its article as a result.
 * Ends up being no proof that saq~ aided the raiders.
 * All maps need to be adjusted, for territory adjustments, and going away from the inaccurate "blockly" borders of many of the countries of the area (Ont. countries and Saq~).
 * Sag~ gets more coast, so sea invasion of Gaspe possible.
 * Superior expedition that finds out about Canada leaves Sudbury, with much the same result, except the discovery of Kingston.
 * Contact with Midland made during original east expedition, when Superior helps them get rid of brigands near their borders (Barrie?) on their return from the ruins of Ottawa.
 * Contact with the states in Southern Ontario made during the southern expedition, about the same time as exploring the ruins of Windsor/Detroit, after hearing rumors of survivors.
 * Meet up with London officials, and gain knowledge of Kitchener, Norfolk, and the Falls as well.
 * Contact with Sudbury about the same time as Thunder Bay, only from the eastern group.
 * Both explore the ruins of North Bay before Superior forces continue to the east.
 * Superior begins to trade food for materials from the mines.
 * Contact with Kingston (much shrunk from the map) occurs during the second eastern mission.
 * Despite the United Communities, the dispute between Canada and Superior drives most to be wholly neutral.
 * Sudbury continues to supply Superior with resources and allow movement of forces though their territory, but does not officially support them.
 * Like Sudbury, Kingston does not officially support one side or the other.
 * However, they do try to make life more difficult for Superior.
 * The Falls favors Canada, but does nothing.
 * Toledo and N. Penn. Stay the same in attitudes.
 * Penn does send some troops to help kill the Raiders, however, as well as openly supporting Canada.
 * No real reaction from Toledo.
 * Due to Superior supporting the Raiders, they can get troops through the area to Gaspe, where they assist the invasion.
 * Still unknown where raiders are from, but based in Drummondville
 * Raiders once held a large region, Ottawa to Canadian Quebec and US border area to the national parks the other way.
 * At the end hold from ruins of Montreal to ruins of Quebec, other ones roughly same.
 * No longer raiding northern townships.
 * Sag~ war starts out the same way.
 * Gaspe still taken, fighting much the same elsewhere, etc.
 * Republic of St. Lawrence declared.
 * No territory taken elsewhere.
 * ADC still intervenes.
 * Celtic forces break the deadlock in Gaspe, allowing Canada to regain control over the "Republic."
 * These forces begin to invade raider territory, pushing Superior troops west and north, but eventually being stopped.
 * Sag~ forces make small advances in the north.
 * Foreign intervention, largely through the LoN, prevents anything else.
 * Peace Treaty still has the same result.
 * Superior, not Sag~ is responsible for the raiders, and agree to stop - Ara~ and Vermont forces will act to ensure this.
 * Aro~ and Vermont will also aid Canada and Kingston in removing the Raiders.
 * Sag~ recognized by Canada.
 * Canada drops objections to Superior controlling the area of Canada it does.
 * Thunder Bay to go whichever way referendum does.
 * Windsor region to be left for future arbitration.
 * Superior will also agree to not annex any of the survivor states in Ontario.
 * Thunder Bay is the exception.
 * Investigation of the Assassination of the Sag~ PM shows rouge elements of Canada First responsible.
 * Vote of Confidence in Canadian Parliament, government loses due to defections.
 * Both Canada First and the Liberals lose the election, having both lost the confidence of the people.
 * Third Party, likely the Conservatives, comes to power.
 * NDP would also gain something.
 * Canada First will not be banned, however.
 * It is agreed that a very small amount of reparations will be paid by Canada to Sag~, for civilian damages.
 * Canada, since it controls one end of the river and their allies in Kingston have the other, will gain the valley once control is regained from the raiders.
 * The Canadian government must also drop its veto in the LoN to Superior joining.
 * General status quo with territory around Sag~
 * States in Ontario all have a resurgence in Canadian nationalism, as shown in the results of the referendum in Thunder Bay.
 * Kingston becomes capital of Canadian territory.
 * Thunder Bay becomes another.
 * Sudbury begins to isolate itself from Superior.
 * Midland begins to warm to Canada, becoming like Kingston was pre-war.
 * London, Kitchener, and the Falls have increased Canadian nationalism, but the governments maintain a more neutral position.
 * An official territory formed along the Bay - "Hudson."
 * Results of Thunder Bay referendum need to be added.
 * Some sort of condition, likely the construction of a road between TB and Hudson within a reasonable timeframe, is also set.
 * Invitation for both Canada and Sag~ to join the UC
 * Raiders still present south of the river, but fairly safe passage to the north cleared.
 * Articles that would need editing:
 * Superior
 * Superior military articles, possibly
 * History of Superior
 * Possibly the United Communities, slightly
 * London, Niagara Falls need to be slightly edited
 * References in N. Penn. need to be reworded, and Toledo really should have something added.
 * Canada
 * History of Canada
 * Aroostook
 * Sagueny~
 * The War itself
 * Republic of St. Lawrence
 * Midland
 * Thunder Bay
 * Articles for Sudbury, Kitchener, and Kingston need to be written.
 * Norfolk needs to be finished.

And, I once again remind that I will do it all if no one else is willing but I am allowed. Thoughts/Objections to any points?

Given its size, please quote any problem lines.

Lordganon 06:08, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Arstar. I'll take your issues into account, but I do like them.

Feel free to add any of all this to your articles, btw. Faster this is done and over with, the better.

Lordganon 03:44, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

I noticed that no year had been done for the 2nd east expedition, so I assigned 2001 to it. Sound ok?

Lordganon 06:16, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Back Off
Alright your pissing me off, don't keep on simply changing Indiana for reasons you don't understand and then adding some type of smart-ass smiley face. Fort Wayne downtown area was destroyed by a very weak nuke, which the crator was rushed in by the nearby rivers, forming Lake Orr, at least tell me about these things before you change shit..--Sunkist- 03:48, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

I left my comments on your talk page. Arstar [talk] 04:14, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Category:1983: Doomsday
Please stop adding Category:1983: Doomsday to nation profile articles. That category is only for primary articles. Mitro 14:07, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Signature
Hey, do you think you can go back to the default signature, I can't use the Rich Text Editor if you've posted on a page without removing your signature first. I know it has some problems but the layout is so much easier for writing.Oerwinde 05:43, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

Thats odd. Um I've worked on other wikis where people have had crazy complicated signatures and I've had no problem using rich text. Well anyways I'll make some changes to it. 00:41, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

I don't understand it either, it says it has complex code. Its not even as complex as an infobox, but removing it solves the problem.Oerwinde 03:58, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Celtic Alliance and possible Owen problem AGAIN!!
I don't know if you are aware Owens up to his party tricks again, he's set up Provisional UK I may be wrong (but I dont think I am) but it appears from his maps that he's claiming all Celtic Alliance lands in southern Britain, as the adopted editor of the Celtic Alliance. I just thought you should know, if you didn't already--Smoggy80 16:08, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for marking it obsolete. I just dont understand owen, he just doesn't get it? he can't just take land like that--Smoggy80 16:53, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

Nomination
Whoa! That's a bit of a surprise, especially from you, lol. But thank you.

Lordganon 07:14, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Already posted a "yes" answer on the appropriate page.

Truth be told, in the few gaming forums I've moderated it's never been an issue, so it should be fine.

But thank you.

Lordganon 08:16, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Saguenay
It depend what you want to do with the page--Marcpasquin 13:12, October 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Write what you intend to do with Saguenay on the talk page and we'll see about it--Marcpasquin 22:53, October 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * As I said, write it on the talk page.--Marcpasquin 23:20, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Owen...
He has been blocked for a thousand years. --Zack 17:11, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Vermont
If Vermont would join the LoN, I see no reason for it to not join the United Communities. Vermont's aims would be the same with the UC as with the LoN. My only questions are 1) with the timing - why at the end of the Saguenay War and not now and 2) what attracts the UC to Vermont, especially given that it would be the most distant nation-state in the alliance? BrianD 17:24, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Go ahead. Is there anything Vermont-specific I need to be aware of regarding the UC? BrianD 17:33, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

I need to update the northern townships, and consult with Mitro in regards to any relationship they might have with Aroostook. Ultimately, the question is whether they would want to join Vermont or Aroostook, or go it alone. The raiders no longer have any influence on the region so the townships can, and will, decide for themselves what they want to do. Right now? If Vermont joins, I suppose the townships would be interested in making contact as well. Long-term? Give me a few days to think about it. Touch base with me on Wednesday, when I'll have some free time to work on DD stuff. BrianD 17:50, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Aroostook
I'd rather not have you do that. Sorry, and I will think about whether the UC and Aroostook are plausible. Mitro 23:31, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Illinois
How about there is a conflict between Vandalia and the mystery state, but eventually it either peters out or Kentucky brokers a peace agreement between the two states. The relationship then mellows to a (relatively) more gentle rivalry

Yankovic270 16:00, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

How about we situate this rival of Vandalia in the city of Decatur, Illinois? Its close to the Vandalians, and I think it would be powerful enough to be a potential rival.

Yankovic270 16:14, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Let's make the state at Decatur a democracy with a meritocratic tinge. That way we can have a plausible explanation for how the Vandalians and Decatur started to get along. They band together to help bring down/fight against the Eureka regime. How do you like it?

Yankovic270 20:34, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

I'll take Decatur, you'll take Eureka, and we'll freely edit each others work. Do you find that to be a good arrangement?

Yankovic270 20:53, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Guys, this has "RPG" written all over it. :-)

Good luck getting it approved, though. Remember to make the rivalries and battles realistic or the rest of us will "jump all over" the both of you! SouthWriter 01:19, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Possible Iraqi State in 83:DD
Hey, Arstar. I had an idea for a state in former Iraq made up of Assyrians/Chaldeans/Syriacs but I still don't have many ideas. The total population of Assyrians/Chaldeans/Syriacs in the OTL Syria and Iraq is about 2,700,000. Considering the dead during Doomsday and afterwards (about half a million?), plus those living in the modern state of Assyria (another half a milion?) would leave us with approximately 1,700,000 people in the superstate. If you're interested, respond and see my "Ideas" page to see some plans of it. --Fedelede 13:23, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Celtic Alliance and Scottish border
i've left a message regarding a proposed border between the Celtic Alliance and the Scottish New State. see what you think.--Smoggy80 16:52, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Municipal States
Did you get Mitro's permission to rename that article?BrianD 20:44, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

No. But its shorter. Whatever I'll change it back. Arstar 20:46, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

"Back off"?
Attack you? I asked you two questions on Ogasawara: you responded in a huff. I also did ask you about the name change on Mitro's article, not in attack mode although I did ask you pointedly why you did what you did. I stand by what I said, and I'm surprised more people haven't done so by now. In fact, Mitro brought up his own points and you ignored them.

And as far as taking over the timeline, what I did with the South is no different than what you're doing with the Great Lakes. Both are fine, and someone has to determine those respective regions' fates. What I am talking about is you creating article after article after article...not to mention adopting article after article after article...and doing next to nothing with most of them, then claiming all of them are yours. No one else has done this as aggressively, and as often, as you. Your hand's all over the place. This is what I mean when you act as if you are trying to claim the timeline for yourself. Comparing that to what I've done with the South or what you are doing with the Great Lakes is comparing apples and oranges.

And to what I said about your attitude? I stand by that, too. When things don't go your way you whine and complain, storm off in a huff, then come back like nothing has happened and expect everyone to do what you want to do. Some people roll with it. Some people tolerate it. You ignore people when they criticize you in a very civil, very restrained manner, and fly off the handle when someone is more direct. Honestly, I don't even want to get near you right now, because working with you is too much a pain and frustration for it to be worthwhile and productive. You're a kid, and like every other kid on earth you think you know it all and can get away with anything you want...you don't and can't. Hopefully you'll learn that sooner than later.BrianD 02:53, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Wabash & Yank
What I said: Your former "buddy" (I say this because you two have collaborated, and you defended his work on California) seems to have turned on you in Virginia, but follows your ways a bit in Pennsylvania. In Indiana, he was trying to mold Sunkist's work into a version he could approve, and gave up, asking for it to be made obsolete.

What you "read"

don't go saying things you don't know South, I.E. "I've backstabbed Yank and me and him are no longer 'buddies'

I used air quotes, meaning you seemed to have been buddies (and explained why). And then I said 'seem to have turned' (not "backstabbed"). I don't know these things, and my words indicate conjecture on my part. So please don't reprimend me. From your actions, you have shown that the collaboration was for your own benefit only. He helped you, but you have been the primary opponent to his MAIN project in recent months. He himself complained that you had betrayed his trust.

And yes, Arstar, you have overstepped your bounds in over-ruling Arstar's efforts. I "dragged you into it" because Yank had been "bumped" for the native Hoosier to work on his home state. I was just standing up for Sunkist (Perry) because he had come so far only to have you request that his work be marked obsolete. It would not have been so bad but it was so marked the very day that you requested it. SouthWriter 20:19, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Resigning
Well Arstar if you feel that resigning is the correct decision than I will respect that. That being said, if you are going to resign than I will have no choice but to remove your rollback powers. Usually we let editors keep their powers when they "retire" due to real life preventing them from participating on the wiki. Since you are resigning but still plan to remain active on the wiki I just do not think it is fair to allow you to continue to have the rollback privilege without the responsibility. You are welcome to reapply for the Constable or Lt. position whenever you feel like returning.

That being said, I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavours. Mitro 01:48, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure, I see nothing wrong with that. Mitro 13:31, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Happy Birthday Me!
Todays my birthday, October 29! Happy Birthday Me! Arstar 11:34, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Happy b-day Arstar! Mitro 13:34, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

USAR
To tell you the truth I have not gotten the chance to read the article since South took over editing it. If it really is going to cause changes in the TL and likely to be reviewed as you said, than I can not in good conscience graduate this article. I suggest you write about what you thinks those changes will be and why the article should be graduated anyway on the main talk page. Mitro 04:35, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * If I were you I would try explaining some of what you told me on the main talk page of the TL. Also I plan to read the article myself once I get the chance. Mitro 13:36, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I apologize if I, as an editor of the site, overstepped my bounds in taking away the banner. It was mostly my objections to the concept that kept it a proposal, and I worked those out.  The only problem was the retention of the US Virgin Islands (unaffected by any Nuclear attack), as an American territory.  Bush had to have known that the USVI were unscathed, so when parts of the Atlantic Fleet - especially Guanatanomo Bay - were organized it could only have been good news to him.  Nevertheless, the ECF article had "claimed" the USVI before Arstar created this the article, but I think that is ironed out as well.  SouthWriter 16:39, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Ann Arbor
According to the article, it appears that Ann Arbor survived Doomsday. Also I think Lansing would have been hit, it does have some strategic value. Mitro 13:36, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just because Lansing is a tertiary target does not mean it would not be hit. The city is known for its high-tech manufacturing, making it a strategic target.  Mitro 20:21, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess I understand what you are saying, but it is unecessary IMO. Lansing would have been hit, it is plauisble for it to be hit.  Not destroying it on Doomsday, but still destroying it later is using creative energies that could be better suited elsewhere. There are plenty of towns/cities in Michigan that would not have been hit and still would collapse.  I think you should write on those places.  Mitro 02:38, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Background info for you to use.
Hi, Arstar. For some reason I began to do some research on the area of the CR. For better or worse, for your consideration, I came up with the following. Call it a late birthday present. :)

Background Info For the California Republic
California Republic

Placer County

1980 Election - 54.8 (R) - 33.7 (D) 1984 Election - 62.9 (R) - 35.2 (D)

Assemblyman (1983)
 * Tom McClintock (R)

Incorporated Towns:
 * Auburn
 * Colfax
 * Lincoln
 * Rocklin
 * Roseville

Lost control of 40.96% of Lake Tahoe (inside its borders) to the SNU along with the eastern slopes of the mountains along the lake's shores.

Transportaton: Local transit authorities in major towns.

Airports:
 * Lincoln Regional Airport
 * Auburn Airport

Nevada County

Only one "city" with over 10,000 - Grass Valley. The County Seat of Nevada City has less than 10,000

However, the "town" of Truckee has over 10,000

There are 24 towns with less than 10,000 people.

2008 est. pop. of 97,000

1980 57.9% (R) 29.0% (D) 1984 62.4% (R) 35.2% (D)

Sierra County

Located in the Sierra Nevada of the U.S. state of California, northeast of Sacramento on the border with Nevada. As of 2000 the population was 3,555. The county seat is Downieville.

The only incorporated city in the county is Loyalton.

Not much there, and most of it on the Northeast slope!

Yuba County

located in the U.S. state of California's Central Valley, north of Sacramento, along the Feather River. As of 2006 its population was 71,938. The county seat is Marysville. Yuba County is part of the Greater Sacramento area.

Incorporated Cities towns, and communities


 * Marysville
 * Wheatland

Other Towns and Communities


 * Beale Air Force Base
 * Camptonville
 * Challenge-Brownsville
 * Linda
 * Loma Rica
 * Olivehurst
 * Plumas Lake<
 * Smartsville

El Dorado County

Located in the historic Gold Country in the Sierra Nevada Mountains and foothills of eastern California. The 2004 population was estimated to be 172,889, its 2000 population was 156,299. The El Dorado county seat is in Placerville.

The population of El Dorado County has grown as the Sacramento metropolitan area has expanded into the region.

In the unique Lake Tahoe area of the county, since hosting the 1960 Winter Olympics brought it to attention, the population and environmental protection has grown also.

 
 * South Tahoe, CA

Lost to SNU, this had been the largest city of the county (23,690 in 2000)

In the Sierra Nevada Mountains. The east end of the city, on the California-Nevada state line, is mainly geared towards tourism, with T-shirt shops, restaurants, hotels, and Heavenly Mountain Resort with the Nevada casinos just across the state line in Stateline, Nevada. The city extends about five miles (8 km) west-southwest along U.S. Route 50, also known as Lake Tahoe Blvd. The western end of town is mainly residential, and clusters around "The Y" (new intersection October 2008), the X-shaped intersection of US 50, State Route 89, and the continuation of Lake Tahoe Boulevard after it loses its Federal highway designation.

West Slope geography:

American River, flows into Sacramento


 * Folsom Lake
 * Francis Lake
 * Loon Lake
 * Union Valley Reservoir

Along the border with SNU is the renown Desolation Wilderness

See Desolation Wilderness

This area, though popular to backpackers, is quite rugged. It is between the peaks of the Sierra Nevadas. Such areas like these are why we argued against California control of the area. It would be a waste of resources early on to try to "take" such lands from the community that had grown up around Lake Tahoe on the eastern slope the mountains.

Solano County

Located in Bay-Delta region of the U.S. state of California, about halfway between San Francisco and Sacramento and is one of the nine San Francisco Bay Area counties. As of 2000 its population was 394,542.[1] The county seat is Fairfield and the largest city is Vallejo.

Of Note:

Solano County - Unincorporated communities

Especially:

Scandia - The name “Scandia” is part of the cultural landscape of Solano County. It means “Little Norway,” and refers to the Scandinavian pioneers who settled the area southeast of present-day Fairfield ... in Montezuma Slough which is located a few miles south of present-day Travis Air Force Base (AFB). They abandoned their boat there and walked inland to Calaveras County. After two years of work, and finding little gold, the three Norwegians returned to Montezuma Slough, built a small house, and raised sheep and cattle. Gradually other Scandinavians took up farming in the area, and ‘Little Norway’ became the accepted name of the area east and south of Denverton.


 * Personal note: this is near where I was born in 1953 (SW)

I hope this is helpful. Welcome back to California! :-)

SouthWriter 02:46, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Iceland
Hi, I understand from Mitro that you are the caretaker of Iceland. I have been reading up on it amongst my other projects and would like to take a stab at fleshing it out. Would you have any concerns if I was to do so? Please let me know. Thanks.--Fxgentleman 22:19, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Culture of Tibet
Sure, no problem, if you had ideas for anything that would happen due to Doomsday, I'd be interested in hearing what you'd have to say.--Vladivostok 22:17, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

The Merseyside Question
As I've mentioned in the Lancaster article, since radiation levels in the area between Lancaster and Liverpool are getting down to safe(ish) levels, the matter of who owns said area is going to become an issue in the not too distant future. Therefore I thought I'd open negotiations on the matter. What do you think?Tessitore 21:22, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

Regarding whether I meant you and me or CA and Lancaster, I suppose that the answer is both.

Truthfully, when I thought about the matter a bit more, I decided that re-settlement probably wouldn't be the main issue, since neither side has much in the way of spare population. Instead the main issue would probably be the generally overlooked matter of salvage rights. All those empty buildings full of electrical wire and copper piping, along with all sorts of other goodies.Tessitore 20:06, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. I just thought it was one of those things where it's better to check that it's not an issue rather then assuming it isn't and risk things going pair shaped. If I understand you right, then the area between Lancaster's southern border and Liverpool is more or less no man's land and will remain so until it builds up enough of a population to warrent a referendum, with any salvage operations in said area being a case of finder's keeper's (I'm willing to bet that sooner or latter someone's going to try it on but since they'd be lying through their teeth it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things). As for Smoggy's comment, I didn't really think that the CA would get pushy but the gesture of solidarity was appreciated none the less.Tessitore 17:56, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

I don't really know. Probably not for a while at any rate, I'm not sure how things are in the CA but Lancaster is still heavily underpopulated, with quite a few 'dead' towns within it's borders, Preston being a prime example. I'd also imagine that after almost thirty years any refugees from the areas that were abandoned would have got settled in their new homes, be it in Celtic territory or Lancastrian, not to mention that I doubt that there's anything for them to go back to after all this time. All in all it's not really a situation that lends itself to migration. That said, upon inspecting a map I noted that there seems to be a gap between the contaminated area around Manchester and the one around Aintree, at least now that the raditation levels have had a chance to come down. I doubt that the area in question would be inhabited but given that it's possible to get from one nation to the other overland, some sort of border could probably do with being established.Tessitore 22:33, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

Canada
Figured I would explain what I did if you questioned it - you've never griped when I corrected such things before, lol.

Zack did give me permission to edit the thing.

At any rate, the one part about Aroostook is not mentioned anywhere else, and deals with someone else's article - you shouldn't add such things without permission, remember? Same applies for the Saguenay part.

The other bit erased the work of another, and added something nonsensical. But most of it was great.

Lordganon 06:17, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Just to be clear Arstar, I am still the official caretaker. LG wanted to make some edits to the page and I approved them. Now he is editing the page with my consent. --Zack 20:12, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't "question" it in a bad way.

But like you had asked me to make the changes to Superior I read that you had asked Zack to make the changes to reflect the different Saguenay War outcome. But there are some other things you wrote that weren't really in the list of changes that you asked to make so I wondered whether or not Zack had given you full caretaker privileges. Arstar 22:08, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Ahh. Beg pardon, then. A fair amount of it is simply protecting my edits, lol. Note I didn't touch most of what was added.

Simply put, I needed to show, as per Ben's points about the UC, why Canada would join it, even under pressure, when part of the LoN. A different viewpoint on the matter covers it nicely - I even slipped a reference to Superior maybe feeling the same way now that they have joined the LoN, somewhere. Saguenay being in it just changes the entire point of the matter, and would not be a neutral voice in the least. Note I know that Marc told you to run things like that by him/the community too.

Dont get where the Aroostook part came from, mind.

Lordganon 22:28, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Superior joined the LoN? Wow, sorry dude but I don't remember that happening, and if I did I must have been not paying attention. Like Lahbas' original article it is greatly exaggerated on what would happen (IE Superior requesting access to Guyana Space Station, and almost getting it!) and I think that is another thing that Superior is just too physically isolated at the current moment to have membership be possible.

What can be changed is that its no longer barred from entering, but I am aiming for 2012 that Superior have full membership. I'm not trying to favor the UC over the LoN but I just don't think the little peninsula has it in them to participate in an organization HQed in the Pacific at the current moment. Arstar 22:37, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Superior
I listed Superior under the category of articles that I didn't create that I had contributed to. Under that category, I listed myself as the caretaker for ANZC and Hawaii, the two articles within that category that I actually caretake. I consider myself at the most to be a contributor to Superior, with you and Lordganon as the main caretakers (that's why I didn't list myself as Superior's caretaker). BrianD 23:14, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Kentucky-UC Application
It can join but don't expect Kentucky to adopt the UC currency recently added to the Niagara Falls page. --Zack 22:20, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

talk
Apologies, Arstar - you left that message virtually as I left my in-laws place (house sitting on and off this week) on the way back to mine.

By that I think you meant not here? feel free to send me an e-mail - its my username here @hotmail.com

Lordganon 10:35, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Will do.

Lordganon 01:01, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Reclaiming Navassa Island
Your changing of the population of Navassa took me by surprise! I wrote that paragraph to support your contention that the island had a strategic importance to the USAR. You insisted that this island, separated as it was by Puerto Rico and Hispanola from the rest of the claimed islands, had to be retained. Your argument that Haiti would be in free fall without US aid made sense, so I compromised.

I call the paragraph "Reclaiming Navassa Island" in the physical sense -- the Americans turn a desert into a sustainable community. Cutting the population drastically reduces the impact of the reclamation of this little piece of America. I doubt if a community of less than 600 would be more than a dependency of Jamaican aid without a major makeover of the island. How about giving me a short proposal as to what you think Navassa could become in a decade of concentrated effort on the part of an otherwise unemployed military. --SouthWriter 02:31, November 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Aye, indeed I wanted for the USAR to retain it, as it has a profound military value. Mining for guano has gone down, but could have risen in recent years since very few people had been on the islands since like World War I.


 * Apart from that, it serves as a trade route to South America, since by dropping some of the cliffs you would be able to dock ships should something happen to them en route to South America.


 * More than anything, and I will freely admit my true motive, is to show the people of the America AR that America hadn't died yet. The colonization was to show the people that they could keep America alive in whatever way they could, and as often as they could. Inhabiting even the most unaccessable rock, which actually does have quite a few natural resources was a way of showing people that. That America, in its own little Caribbean form, optionally going without the leadership of the mainland survivors was to show the people of the world that Doomsday was ineffective to the people of the Virgin Islands, that this one tiny slice of America could continue keeping the American dream in its own way. If they would lose the island to Haiti, for example, that would show everyone that these military men were out of touch and had failed the American people, and that maybe it was time to join the APA or go an independent route.


 * Arstar 04:07, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Very eloquently put, Alex. This "tiny slice" of America indeed preserves the pioneering spirit that built our nation. These military families, and then civilians from the diaspora in Jamaica, the Camen islands and other places, could turn the waterless island into a way station for travelers from various Gulf ports that may come their way. I have put together a facsimile of what the reclaimed Island might look like. The port town is copied and pasted from Caimanera, Cuba (a port village of 10,000 +). The town is turned sideways and a man-made harbor cut the south end of the island. The airstrip is from the US air base (also turned sideways. The results are to the right. Though I don't suspect the island could support a population as densely packed as that Cuban "village", this gives us an idea of the space available. What do you think?

I like the shape, though I would suggest to make the airstrip a bit smaller, as the island would need quite a bit of room of arable land if they are to remain as self-sufficient from Jamaica as possible. And while you're right the village you copy/pasted certainly wouldn't be packed as densly, as most likely there would be more settlement in the interior it gives us a good idea on what could be supported in the area.


 * Though the airstrip is long, it was designed after the one at the Naval Air Base and would probably be built to the same dimensions. I can move it a little towards the shoreline, though, and take out a lot of what appears to be pavement in the paste down. There is no reason why an arable garden couldn't be right up next to an airstrip. SouthWriter

I would also recommend moving the settlement slightly to include the original Lulu Town, which you can see the location [here]. While it may be "new" Lulu Town, there are still many infastructural assets from old Lulu Town that would be wasteful to just abandon. The lighthouse, which apparently was still operational in OTL until the 90s, could be a vital asset to the settlement if they are to truly be a good maritime "pit stop" :)


 * The original Lulu Town is actually covered by the city limits. Here are before and after, side by side (I've included an overlay of "plans" on the arial shot taken in OTL 2008):


 * As you can see, this is very workable. :-)

SouthWriter 23:47, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

After looking up Navassa's profile at the website of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, I've read that the island would be pretty much able to sustain themselves if we keep the current population at around 500-800. A possible source of water directly from the island, though abnormal could be used, as there are many species of cactus on the island, but that won't "cut it" in my opinion since everyone can't just go around drinking cactus water. 21:13, November 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * As I indicate on the red-lined plans, the island has a desalination plant that services both the port "city" and the Air Force Base. The interior of the island (the green part!) is left for farms. With the desalination plant, water should be no problem. Power will probably be from imported fossil fuels, though I suppose tidal and wind turbines might be an option. Self sustainance is nice, but trade with Jamaica will continue to be vigorous, so the population need not be so restricted. I'm for leaving it as I had written, but a compromise in the 900's will work fine. SouthWriter 23:47, November 23, 2010 (UTC)New_Lulu_Plus.png
 * Okay, here's the "finished" project. Of course the real arial shot would show the development filling in between the desalination plant (borrowed and scaled down from Dubai) and the town, a long with bits of Air Force Base in the north.

Contacting You
How? I don't have an email adress.

Yank 23:29, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

I'm ready to try "IRC".

Yank 16:28, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yes I am.

Yank 20:05, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Again I say that I am. --Yank 04:00, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

This is getting annoying. When are you usally on? Can you please give me that link? --Yank 02:11, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

A message of great importance
Arstar,

I know you hardly know me, and I you, but I must ask a favor of you;

I need you to help me rebel against the Wikia higher-uppers; the new skin is nothing but trouble, and I have finally had it!

For a bit more depth:

I.. .I. ..

Who would do this? Who would make an Althistory like this? Worsening what was already the worst tragedy in American history? Curse my vivid imagination; I can see myself there, amongst the dead and the dying. ..

'Tis truly a horrifying sight.

For a time, I have been silent.

But I can hold my feelings no longer! It may just be the new skin, or it may be a sudden influx of stupid people, but the way I see our AH wiki. . .OUR wiki, which belonged to the people, has been sucked up, into some sort alien spaceship, never to be seen again! And now we have THIS, this monstrosity! Sic Semper Tyrannis! I knew we couldn't trust them! For too long we ate out of their hands, lulled into a false sense of security! And now they rip the rug out from under us! We have given them Leeway, and we have put up with the many things gone wrong since the new skin was instated, but I say neigh!

I say we give those rabscallions one week to meet our demands, or we will move off, off to the AWA!

Who is with me? A call to arms I say! Who shall join me in this rebellion? In this taking up arms against our oppressors! Agains all the evil of all the lands! *takes in big breath, begins shouting* WE SHALL STORM INTO THE HALLS OF WIKIA, AND DEEMAND OUR FREEDOM! WE WILL NO LONGER EAT CAKE, BUT REJOICE WITH PIE! WE SHALL SHOW THEM WHAT FOR! WE! SHALL! BE! FREE!

Some of you may be against me, some of you will be saying

"Jazon! This is too far, too much! We cannot abandon Wikia after they have broken our legs" And I would say

"Go on! Stay here and fight with your loyalist brothers! I am not here to stop you! I am here to free the others!" Some will say

"Jazon, a week is too short a time, surely we can be more patient!" And I would say

"Go and join your loyalist friends! If you are not with me, you are against me! One week I say, and not a second more!"

Even if I have to do it myself, if I have to I will have a navy of rowboats! An army of bicycles! An air force of one hot air balloon being pulled by a pestered Pachyderm!

So I say again! Those devils in Wikia will not stand a week from now! Who will join my cause? Or must I go Benidect Arnold upon them?

That is all. Retrieved from "http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:9/11/2001_was_MUCH_worse" We need you Arstar. Do the right thing.Get back to me as soon as you can.Jazon Naparleon 04:28, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

You're right Arstar, we cannot hold our conversations here. I do not have anything concrete yet, but I am currently rubbing elbows with more than one site admin on a few small social networking sites I know. If I get the greenlight, I will inform you.

Jazon Naparleon 05:05, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

We've done it, Arstar! We've made our own wiki! And all without a single drop of blood. It is times like this I lke to listen to the Ukrainian folk version of highway to hell;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3YQ24i1wP0

Ah yes, and here's our wiki, though it won't be done for a few hours/days, as the tech support geek(s) are still setting things up.

http://alternatehistory.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page

Vixi Perpetuo,

Jazon Naparleon 15:54, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Yihad World-Western World
hey arstapool i would like you to revise these two althists ive been working on, i would like your support and help. her are the two links: yihad world      western World   THANK YOUMigue235 00:41, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Second Sicily War
No, you may not take co-caretakership; you're already the caretaker of like ten articles, focus on what you have and just be happy commenting on Lordganon's work. Mr.Xeight 23:29, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

I'll have to respect Xeight's wishes on this one, Arstar.

At any rate: could you tell me what you want to happen to Sicily? all I know for sure is that they'll lose, after a fashion.

My plan is more or less thought out, fyi. Just want your opinion before I share it.

Lordganon 05:44, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Let me see your plan Saguenay War plan-style. Remember that I have like half the ADC and Sicily, so irregardless of Xeight's "worrying" wishes, you can't fight the war without the combatants so like I said post your plan and I'll tell you what I think. You may caretake the Sicily War but I caretake Sicily so I'm sure we can compromise and come together on a plan we can both agree on.

Just to let you know beforehand I heard the rumors that Greece wants part of the Italian boot, well I'm all fine and dandy with Sicily losing the war and Sardinia and Tunisia but they're not giving Greece the Boot (no pun intended) just because they want it. Arstar 05:11, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

I'm aware of all that. As a matter of fact, my file is the same layout, etc. as the Saguenay War one, lol. We were able to work things with that, so this we can do too. Note that I did say I wouldn't object to you caretaking it with me, but that I will need to respect his wishes.

Greece has no intentions of taking the "boot," so no worries there. All I have them taking at all is parts of Lecce Province, which is the very tip of the heel, and to be honest, all they really had even a ghost of a claim to(Heptanesa held an outpost there for most of a year in the late 80s that they abandoned). It's more so a base to give Heptanesa some breathing room and try and secure the strait than anything. Sicily will be able to take it easily in another war - which they will definitely be in a position to fight (even better than before, honestly, without the occupied/semi-occupied areas) effectively, maybe even coming out slightly ahead.

I'll post a copy of things here sometime tomorrow, though if you give me your e-mail you'll get it tonight.

Lordganon 07:59, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Feedback
mira arstapool, sobre q no te llevas bien con vene, y q son competencia con althists diferentes. yo hice varios articulos y tengo experiencia. pero lo q trato de decir es q veas mis articulos (los q te dije antes) y veas si te gusta y comenta.Migue235 17:52, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Niagara Falls/UC
I left a note for you on the Niagara Falls talkpage.

That latest newsbit you added. I like the idea, but you forget the attitudes of the Canadian government. You'll do better to the change that to Buffalo.

Lordganon 05:47, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't get to you earlier. Honestly I tend not to take in that whole "Canada barely likes the UC" thing because to be honest its mostly your opinion that you've added on to articles and than you get mad when I delete/change. You should also remember how much of a rump state that this new Canada is, only exception that its not politically isolated but the article states that they struggle with a lot of somewhat basic commodities. In fact I think Toledo alone has more industry/manpower equal or more than that of the new Canada.

Second, even if it was a written fact by the actual caretaker that Canada really wants little to do with the UC, whats the harm? They have this dump zone just sitting there and it can be treated (which is possible, God knows how everyone else overlooked that o__o) and re-inhabited a lot sooner than whatever is being done to the strike zone now, according to my dad its possible to treat the soil with phosphate and some other stuff, (NOTE: he spent two years assigned to what is now called the Defense "Special Weapons" Agency) and you can actually get most dangerous radiation removed a lot faster than not. Arstar 00:08, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

A few things, when was this "method" of removing invented? If it was known prior to Doomsday, why would these survivor states waste time now on decontaminating destroyed cities? Even if they did that easily why would they clear the rubble away and rebuild a new city upon it wasting time and money? These are passion projects that only a food or a madman would waste time and money on now. Maybe in a hundred years. Also does this "method" work on large area such as cities? Even if you can give me reasonable answers to any of these questions LG is right and you may not use Halifax, at least not yet. --Zack 00:48, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

I have no ideas on the intimacies of the creation of this method, a lot of what I know on this subject from my dad who used to work for the DSWA. Upon asking him the average span of radiation from, say a 1MT missile he said about 40-50 years, but with proper waste disposal, and treating radiated soil (phosphate is a primary ingredient in treating) you can reduce the time.

If you doubt anything I say there's the entire four billion pages of internet-ness at your disposal to confirm or deny anything I say. But this is something I have researched before and even several articles on this timeline proper have talked about radiation removal.

Also remember one of the main reasons they would "waste" time on clearing the cities is because they pose like a shitload of a health hazard to like everyone nearby them. For many other cities, the strike zones kind of are a big piss-off to countries like North Penn where they have the radiated piece of crap that is the nuked remains of Erie that forces them to ship out of the very corners of their coastline. Big trade deterrent much? Or maybe like Niagara Falls where they have Buffalo only barely saving them from getting radiated, plus it blocks their expansion to the south.

And nobody said they're going to get to work building a new city right away. Say Halifax is cleared out, its going to literally be a blank strip of goddamn land. The plus-side is that they can salvage a lot of the metals to use as foundations for new buildings. But new cities aren't going to be totally likely. The "new" Halifax would likely just be a town, as most foundations are going to have to be cleared.

The plus sides are smaller cancer rates, which would discourage population overcrowding in un-radiated areas. Plus remember that sea-side blasts can actually create some pretty slick bays. Arstar 02:41, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Calm down, bitching and moaning doesn't make your case any stronger. You sir are the one who has brought up this method of cleaning up radiation. Its not my responsibility to tell you whether you are right or wrong. So if you truly think this will work or at the very least should be considered then venture into "the entire four billion pages of internet-ness" and find us some proof.

If the areas around the blast was so bloody dangerous, why would they have settled there permanently? Once again why would you waste money on building a town, village. city, hamlet, trading post, Wal-Mart or military base atop the recently cleared strip of land? There better off expanding surviving towns then frigging around in a wasteland. --Zack 04:15, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Zack, calm down man. Nobody's bitching and moaning

Besides, the fact is that radiation doesn't last forever. The radiayion from the blast (I'm assuming that most Canadian targets besides Toronto get one missile apiece) would be on it's way out by the time the operation starts. The operation would finish the job. I agree that this process would speed reclamation along, but I also agree that the community founded would at least start out as a town built around the port than anything else. I'd be receptive to the United Communities doing the same to Norfolk. --Yank 02:23, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Returning
Yes Arstar you have to be renominated. Due to the way you resigned after your arguments with Brian, I think you cannot just return like other members. Sorry but you will need to find someone to nominate you and then you will have to be voted in. Mitro 16:38, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

Proposal Overload
You have some 14 odd proposals on the 1983: Doomsday takpage deal with them please. --Zack 21:41, December 9, 2010 (UTC)