Talk:East Caribbean Federation (1983: Doomsday)

Raison d'être
The article implies that it was mostly economics that determined whether a given island joined the ECF or not. But it seems clear that there was a cultural thing going on as well, since this is essentially a union of the English speaking Caribbean countries, leaving out the French and Spanish speakers. Can I suggest that Belize is involved with the ECF? It's officialy English speaking, at least, although more people seem to speakSpanish or Maya. Benkarnell 19:19, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Formation
The history of the ECF hasn't been written yet, but can I make a suggestion for it? It would feel more realistic if the federation were to come together gradually - beginning, probably, with some of the members of the old West Indies Federation, then expanding to the Bahamas (possibly the country most in need of aid, with fallout and refugees coming over from Florida) and finally, Belize. I can also imagine Jamaica and Trinidad joining later than the smaller islands: this would explain the capital in St. Lucia. (The West Indies Federation had located its capital on Trinidad.) I also think that some communities around the Caribbean can be considering joining the ECF. I've hinted that there's a movement for that in Limonese Costa Rica, and the Netherlands Antilles has an ECF faction that balances its pro-South American faction. But there may be other movements, say, in the Mosquito Coastlands of Nicaragua and Hondouras, which are relatively remote and still have an English Creole poopulation. Maybe even in parts of Florida. Benkarnell 14:43, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

US Virgin Islands
Why are the US Virgin Islands a part of the ECF? I would think that they might be be drawn to Puerto Rico since they were both American territories. Mitro 23:38, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * i agree P Rican who now cannot go to USA find a little space in amer virgin islands, add 1980 population 96,569 and 3,196,520--Fero 23:55, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * They speak different languages. That may have played a factor and led the USVIs to develop ties to the other Anglophone islands - especially, maybe at first, the UKVIs. But I'm open either way. WHile this is a canon page, it's still sketchy enough that it can probably be tweaked a little. Benkarnell 02:11, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Puerto Rico and the USVI could have worked together in the first days and months after Doomsday. Perhaps as it dawned on everyone the US government was not going to be heard from and they were on their own, then Puerto Rico and USVI decided to go their own ways...the USVI's path taking it into confederation with the other Caribbean nations and ex-European territories.--BrianD 02:18, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * i think after DD83 many puertoricans move to US visginisland, and that "magicly" become a spanish speaker territory, and a good part of english speaker move to british virgin island and they yes join ECF, i just think, puerto rico is just full of people--Fero 02:25, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * I like that idea. Benkarnell 02:27, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Just like venezuela take some territory after DD, Puerto Rico Can do the same, 3 millon people, 3 british caribean cant stop them--Fero 02:29, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * So territory is the motivation for Puerto Rico? What would the situation be on the island that motivates them to solve their problem by making a power grab for the USVI? And why stop there - why not the British Virgin Islands as well?--BrianD 02:31, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

add they can have help of aprox 10millons of dominican spanish speaker; english in america is in a corner if USA and Canada (and UK) fall--Fero 02:35, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * remember Guyana is not part of South America comunity, is in a corner too: Where puerto rico stop, i still dont know, mush check maps and numbers, but big fish eat little fish--Fero 02:38, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

languajes in America(s), the reason of born of ECF--Fero 02:54, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure if this helps but I once heard that if Puerto Rico ever became a state it would be the poorest in the Union, but if it ever because independent it would be the richest nation in the Carribean. Mitro 02:55, November 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * Interesting. So it could indeed be a little fish. This may not be the place to iscuss it, but someone really nees to figure out PR's role in the region, and how events in Cuba and the creatopn of the ECF affected it. For what it's worth, I think the latest version had Guyana joining South America. Benkarnell 04:16, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Renaming of the Federation
I propose to delete the East-part because it's quite misleading after the West Caribbean Jamaica and Belize joined this union and does not really reflect the nature of the federation. Will someone object my proposal? --Grand Prince Paul II. 17:17, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Issues with South Florida
Whoever continues to add in every article they could that South Florida is to join the ECF, I ask that you read the discussion we had on the South Florida talk page here. We eventually decided that Eastern Florida would be the spot of exploration for the ECF.