Talk:Medieval World (Map Game)

900 CE map
is there a map for this map game, i want to see how much land do i own as the Byzantine Empire, please Sine dei gloriem (talk) 18:08, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

England
Wait, according to wikipedia, Wessex controlled everything in England but NOrthumbria and Mercia. Please, fix. The Royal Guns (talk) 20:43, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

pretty much mercia and northumbria are England, wessex would be just the south area, with control over londinium  Sine dei gloriem (talk) 22:14, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Umm... no, Wessex is the most powerful state. It controls a lot more than is purported by your list. What's more, Northumbria and Mercia control very, very little land.

In any case, AD 900 is a stupid time to start, just saying, you should start at 1000 AD.

But, either way, I'm leaving. The Royal Guns (talk) 20:24, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

There was also York and East Anglia, which, though they soon would submit to Wessex, existed in 900. Cosman246 (talk) 04:32, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Expansion
I'd like to know about expansion possibilities, for instance i have seen the Kievan Rus and the Caliph province expand their territory and I'm wondering if there are any boundaries for expansion, ie if I (Venice) bordered Croatia, which is a NPC, can I expand into Croatia? Or is it only land that isnt controlled by a state? Airlinesguy (talk) 00:02, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

You'd have to declare war on Croatia, but yeah, you can expand into it. Cosman246 (talk) 04:20, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Regional Power Status
What would it take to make Denmark to become a major power in Europe? Espically in this time period? Enclavehunter (talk) 02:09, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

Control of major trade routes (perhaps by having mercantile Vikings) is what I'd say Cosman246 (talk) 04:21, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Expansion on Map
Alright, someone needs to fix the map. I want to expand, but I don't know if there's a nation next to me I can invade and expand faster through. Please add all the nations on the map. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 02:33, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

i agree on this, the map should be like the one of Principia Moderni Sine dei gloriem (talk) 02:41, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

It is hard to judge the exact positions of the tribes though. It is not necessary to locate their exact territories, simply mark their approximate spheres of influence - GoldenKhanate.

I found a map of the Europe at 1000 AD ... 1000 AD

Enclavehunter (talk) 23:17, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

820: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/BlankMap-World-820.png

That means this map is horrendously out of date. If the Abassid Caliphate was that huge in 820, imagine how large it should be 900. Someone fix our map!

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 02:56, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

The Caliphate had shrunk by 900, see this map of 900 Cosman246 (talk) 04:16, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Nation Pages
Created my Khitans nation page.

Algorithm
We need one. Quick. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 21:39, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Aren't we using the PMII algorithm? Airlinesguy (talk) 09:04, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

We are. Cosman246 (talk) 23:45, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Khitans Expansion
Khitans do not just control Mongolia and Gansu, they also control Manchuria at this point. No tribes around this area have the capability to stop an organized, centralized steppe state as the expansion of Genghis Khan showed. Please add Manchuria to Khitan territories.

Duly noted. Cosman246 (talk) 23:45, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Abbasid - Tulunid War (908)
Forgot all about this war, lol.

Abbasid Caliphate

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical advantage: 6 (Attacker, +1, Large Empire, +5)
 * Strength: Abbasids (L, +4), Qi'fan Russ (M, +3): +7
 * Military Development: +16 (8 years * 2 points)
 * Motive: +7 (Religion, plus they broke away from our Empire long ago)
 * Chance: +7
 * Time: 2*2*3*6 = 72
 * Edit Count: 8321
 * (8321/72)*pi = 363.0721176...
 * Nation Age: +5 (Old nation)
 * Participation: +10
 * Result: +62

Tulunid Emirate

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical Advantage: 0
 * Strength: +4
 * Military Development: +0
 * Motive: +5
 * Chance: +1
 * Nation Age: +0
 * Participation: +10
 * Result: +24

Overall Result
(62/(24+62))*2)-1 = 0.4418............ 44.18%

To hell with the Tulunids. Welcome back to the Empire.

War in Croatia
Would it be considered a normal war with Papal States as the leader, or a coalition war with the Papal States, Byzantine Empire, and Venice against Croatia?

Doctor Evulz (talk) 18:48, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Coalition with Venice please. Airlinesguy (talk) 09:24, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Anti-Sergians
Total: 90
 * Location: +9 (East Roman Empire +2,  Papal States +3,  Venice +4)
 * Tactical Advantage: +1 (Attackers' advantage)
 * Strength: +22 = Benevento (MS), East Roman Empire (L), Papal States (L), Salerno (MS), Venice (L)
 * Military Development: (East Roman Empire = 8) + (Papal States = 8) + (Venice = 20) = +36
 * Economy: (East Roman Empire = 0) + (Papal States = 0) + (Venice = 4) = 4
 * Infrastructure: 0
 * Expansion: -3 (I'm not counting the rest of the East Roman Empire's because I don't think they're plausible)
 * Motive: 7
 * Chance: 1
 * Edit Count: 124 (Doctor Evulz' edit count, he originally declared war)
 * UTC Time: 2:36 2*3*6 = 36
 * 124/36= 3.44444*3.14=10.8155555555556
 * Nation Age: 0
 * Population: 6 (6 digits)
 * Participation: 10
 * Recent Wars: -3 (As with expansion)

Croatia
Total: 34
 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: 0
 * Strength: +4 = Croatia (L)
 * Military Development: 0
 * Economy: 0
 * Infrastructure: 0
 * Expansion: 0
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 1
 * Edit Count: 124 (Doctor Evulz' edit count, he originally declared war)
 * UTC Time: 2:36 2*3*6 = 36
 * 124/36= 3.44444*3.14=10.8155555555556 (IDK what to do here... I'll use the 1 again...?)
 * Nation Age: 0
 * Population: 4 (4 digits)
 * Participation: 10
 * Recent Wars: 0

Results
((90/(34+90))*2)-1 = 0.45161290322

which means

(0.45161290322)*(1-1/(2*5)) = 40.64% of Croatian land, which means we overthrow the government. Discussion on how to split up Croatia below.

War was declared in 912, so we only have to wait for one more year.

Discussion
How are we going to partition Croatia? I'd like Croatia as a vassal of mine, but I'd be happy for it to be at least partially split up between the victorious powers. And did I do anything wrong in the algorithm? Airlinesguy (talk) 01:00, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

Well, if the Papal States could get something along the central coastline, that'd be fine. The proposal they made in the actual game gave northern Croatia to Venice, the south to the Byzantine Empire, and the central coastline to the Papal States, with a rump state also in the center effectively a Papal vassal. Venice agreed to this proposal. Of course, how the 'north' and 'south' is defined is a bit harder. If someone could get a contemperary map of Croatia during this period, that'd be extremely helpful. Doctor Evulz (talk) 01:33, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

thats a map of europe with Croatia in the tenth century, it should be enough Sine dei gloriem (talk) 02:33, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kingdom_of_Croatia.png

No matter what, I'd like at least some coastline for Croatia, if thats OK. But I'm OK with the rest of the partitions. Airlinesguy (talk) 01:05, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

What about this? I'm not a great mapmaker, but it's better than nothing. Light blue is Venice, purple is Papal States, red is Eastern Roman Empire, and blue is Croatia, a vassal state of the Papal States. Doctor Evulz (talk) 00:27, December 21, 2012 (UTC)



Looks good to me! I'm happy with the land I have. Airlinesguy (talk) 23:56, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

Sicily
Current status? It's Muslim, I plan on vassalifazying it. And do the Ummayads own the Idrissids yet?

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:12, December 23, 2012 (UTC)

Abbasid Caliphate

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical advantage: 6 (Attacker, +1, Larger Empire, +5)
 * Strength: Abbasids (L, +4), Qi'fan Russ (M, +3), Tahert (MV, +2), Aghlabidia (MV, +2), Sijilimassa (MV, +2): +13
 * Military Development: +14 (7 years * 2 points)
 * Motive: +7 (Religion, plus they broke away from our Empire long ago)
 * Chance: +7
 * Time: 2*2*3*6 = 72
 * Edit Count: 8321
 * (8321/72)*pi = 363.0721176...
 * Nation Age: +5 (Old nation)
 * Participation: +10
 * Result: +68

Saffarid Dynasty

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical Advantage: 0
 * Strength: +4
 * Military Development: +0
 * Motive: +5
 * Chance: +1
 * Nation Age: +0
 * Participation: +10
 * Result: +24

Overall ResultEdit
(68/(24+68))*2)-1 = 0.47823............ 47.82%

(47.82)*(1-1/(2*3)) = 39.40%

Enough for total victory! Fear the power of the Muslim side of Abrahamic religions!

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:00, December 24, 2012 (UTC)

Britain
Noticed some things regarding the mapping of Britain. Firstly, York is mapped where Northumbria is. Secondly, the union between Alba and Strathclyde was not mapped right. I'd do it myself but my computer is FUBAR and I'm stuck with an iPad for now. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 04:17, December 24, 2012 (UTC)

Maps
Why do we keep getting new maps at random? We're supposed to have one every five years. We should not have a new one until 925.

Doctor Evulz (talk) 03:34, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

its a demonstration map for the areas of dominance of the Umayyads Sine dei gloriem (talk) 03:47, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Like he said, it was an update because me and Scraw's conquests were left out of the last map.AP (talk) 03:54, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Can we at the very least put the maps in the talk page so they don't crowd up the main page? Doctor Evulz (talk) 01:03, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

ok... next time Sine dei gloriem (talk) 01:05, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

This is as of Now the most likely religious Influence areas in this game as of now Sine dei gloriem (talk) 21:15, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Byzantine Empire

 * Location: 5


 * Tactical: 0


 * Strength: Byzantine Empire(L) + Papal States(M)+ Frankish Union(M)


 * Military Development: 7-- 0


 * Economic Development: 0


 * Expansion: -10


 * Infrastructure: 1


 * Motive: +5


 * Chance: +8


 * Nation Age: -5


 * Population: (12,000,000) +8


 * Participation: 10


 * Recent Wars: 0


 * Total: 32

Islamic Jihad led by the Abbasid Caliphate

 * Location +4


 * Tactical: +1


 * Strength: Abbasid Caliphate(L) + Umayyad Caliphate(M) + Qu'ifan Emirate(M) + Emirate of Sicily(MV)


 * Military Development: 15/7 =7.5 -- +2


 * Economic Development: +4


 * Expansion: 0


 * Infrastructure: +4


 * Motive: 7


 * Chance: +9
 * Edit count: 9,036
 * (00:26) = 12
 * 9036/12*pi= 2365.6926815327
 * Old nation: +5


 * Population: (50,000,000) +8 +2 (population is less than 5 times that of the Byzantines-- Abbasid population is approximately 4x's that of the Byzantines)


 * Participation: +10


 * Recent Wars: -1(Safarid Dynasty war)


 * Total: 68

Result
((74/(38+74))*2)-1 = 36%

(36)*(1-1(10))= 32.4%

The Muslims win a decisive victory against the Byzantines and the war will last 5 years so they are entitled to 32.4%  of Christian territory.

Discussion
This is the end result of the war: Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 03:15, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Anatolia and the Golden Horn go to the Abbasids.
 * The Qi'fan Rus gets Byzantine Transcaucasia.
 * Crete regains independence.
 * Everyone (who won) is happy.
 * The Ummayads get French territory up to the Pyrenees in Bearn.

i've found some irregularities in the algoryth like 15/7 is 7.5 Are you fucking kidding me AP its 2.1428 which means 2 ¬¬ use the Pc calculator Sine dei gloriem (talk) 03:18, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

aswell that this should be a coalition war, because the papal states will become part of the war and so will the others, venice will join, following the papal states, italy will, and so the Frankish Union Sine dei gloriem (talk) 03:20, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

...They're on the algorithm.

And 15/7 is obviously around 2.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 03:22, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

"Coalition wars

'For a coalition algorithm, all of the nations that have declared full-on war would have their own algorithm section (with them being the leader, their nation age and military buildup, etc.) The real change is for the results. Then, all the nations on each side would be added up together, and the winning side gets to take territory from each nation. However, the nations that do better on each side would get more, while nations that did really bad may be temporarily occupied. "'

and i'm surprised AP has Done a mistake ... its the End of the world! Sine dei gloriem (talk) 03:24, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Don't be retarded Sine, I did it quickly mind you.AP (talk) 03:49, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think we've won enough for you to get all of Anatolia, the Golden Horn is pushing it. We'll figure the land winnings soon. And actually, Venice and Italy will be removed from the algorithm since they have not mentioned aiding you. Besides, Italy just posted that they refuse to help you.AP (talk) 03:53, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Um, real sorry Sine, but Italy would have a revolt and invasions from every bit of the sea if it joined, so King Hugh decided not to. My prayers still go to you ;)

But you are definitely not gaining the Horn without annexing Byzantium altogether, because at the time the Horn was the capital of the Empire and more valuable than the rest of the Empire put together. Fed (talk) 04:02, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Sine, you are not to change the algorithm on your own. First because your corrections are flawed and secondly because that's what the discussion is for-- to possibly fix anything that might be wrong.AP (talk) 04:18, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

well i changed because i counted them on the original page, and they are based on the rules, for example most of the Anatolian territory is mountanious, and at war with other religion based nations like france attacking the Umayyads the motive can be argued as for the sake of the nation and i think its Cosman who should pick between yours or mine and you can check them, but until then no result is final yours or mine Sine dei gloriem (talk) 04:23, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Might I remind you that I am a mod? There are never two versions of an algorithm. I am erasing yours and leaving mine. Mine is accurate, you gave yourself points where you didnt deserve them. Tactical points go for your capital not any other region. Your motive is to defend territory because we demanded Crete back, so there.AP (talk) 04:35, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

The Papal States are sending military aid and supplies. Please add the supplies part. Doctor Evulz (talk) 00:17, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Winnings:

Abbasids- As much of Anatolia that we could get, Cyprus, parts of Byzantine transcaucasia

Qu'ifan Rus- Parts of Byzantine transcaucasia, the Crimea, land from Crimea to northeastern Greece wrapping around Black sea

Umayyads: parts of Southern West Frankia, a part of the west coast of West Frankia

Sicily: Byzantine Italy, Papal Sardinia

Crete: Full independence with full sovereignty

BTW Sicily is shown with my colors for simplicity, but they are their own nation(my vassal though).



Venice also supports the Byzantines with a M, because that will change things. Airlinesguy (talk) 01:55, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Umayyad Caliphate
Location: 4

Tactical: 1

Strength: Umayyad Caliphate(L) +Abbasid Caliphate(M)+Qu'ifan Emirate(M)

Military Development: 15/5 -- 3

Economic Development: 3

Expansion: 0

Infrastructure: 4

Motive: 3

Chance: 6 Population: +8
 * Edit count: 1,664
 * (03:10) =3
 * 1664/3*pi=1742.56725191253

Participation: 10

Total: 52

West Frankia
Location: 5

Tactical: 0

Strength: Frankish Union(L) + Papal States(M)+ Byzantines(M)

Military Development: 5-- 0

Economic Development: 0

Expansion: -1(Channel Islands seizure)

Infrastructure: 0

Motive: 5

Chance: 2

Population: +8

Participation: 10

Total: 39

Result
14.28%

(14.28)*(1-1(2x))= 12.85%

After 5 years of war, the Umayyad Caliphate is entitled to 12.85% of West Frankish territory.

Discussion
While I agree that West Frankia will probably lose, I think that this is being unfair to its military development and infrastructure. Thus, I think less land should be taken. Cosman246 (talk) 14:03, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Also, the Umayyads HAVE expanded, taking much of North Africa. And what was indicated on the map was way more than 12.5%, given that this is West Frankia, not the Frankish Union Cosman246 (talk) 14:04, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

You formed the Frankish Union, so I'm assuming that it is one country. I counted back 15 turns, as per the rules, and found that you expanded your millitary only five times and never mentioned infrastructure.AP (talk) 20:48, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

I count 7 times. And if it is the Frankish Union, then their strength (about two or three more) must be added.

(I personally think the most realistic solution would be you conquering Navarre (which I own), Pamplona, and a bit of Southern France)

Cosman246 (talk) 23:20, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Add supplies to the Papal States bit. Doctor Evulz (talk) 00:18, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Venice also supports the Frankish Union with Military Aid. Airlinesguy (talk) 01:57, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

According to 928, so do York and Éire Cosman246 (talk) 02:00, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Realistically, Ireland could not send soldiers. Their navy is almost non-existant and back then, it was a long way from Ireland to the French coast. There is no mention of York(or you mean Alba?) sending aid at all. On another note, the Byzantines can't realistically send aid to you either because they are surrounded by hostile territory. I will change the map.AP (talk) 03:28, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

no i could send to them through the papal states and or through italy, and you give yourself to much land in southern italy you should only own the tips i never expanded on italy and i saw the york and eire thing and i would thing that east frankia would aid the west frankish because they are right now in royal political union with them, and i would say the would have aid from normandy Sine dei gloriem (talk) 03:36, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

The Frankish Union is a country. As shown on the map, they are one therefore East Frankia does not exist. Normandy is an NPC and none of you has interacted with it at all. Any way you look at it, it is a Muslim victory. Stop complaining Sine. These will remain on hold until I return.AP (talk) 03:41, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

New Player
Hello, I was wondering if I could join as the Wari civilization of South America.

Thank you,

Ynis (talk) 02:56, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Im sure their will be no problem with that

Whitesight (talk) 03:01, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I added myself into the list of Nations. Should I add an action, or should I wait to be added to the map, or to be acknowlegded somehow? Also here is the page about the civilization.

Ynis (talk) 03:34, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Also, do I get any benefits for the starting civilization other than geography? For example, knowledge about terrace agriculture, and roads?

Thank you.

Ynis (talk) 03:37, January 5, 2013 (UTC)