No Nukes (Map Game)



The game begins at the year 1945, the German's momentum of push is already gone from the Eastern Front, the USSR continues to expand itself into eastern and northern Europe, and the world focuses not just on the result of the war, but also it’s aftermath.

This Map game's previous author Rebelsoldier, has given me, Enter Name, full control of the site, under the condition that I do not delete the "No Nukes" time line.

To fit the condition that somehow there are no nuclear weapon development program, there will be several historical changes: Note that the development of nuclear weapon is inevitable, and that these changes are necessary to delay the proposal of nuclear weapon during the end of WWII.
 * German physicist Max Planck pursued a musical career rather than becoming physicist.
 * Albert Einstein pursued a career of electrical engineering, accomplishing the intent of his father.
 * Enrico Fermi's brother did not die, resulting him to take little interest in physics and pursue a career in as a mechanical engineer.
 * Frédéric Joliot-Curie and his wife died from radiation poisoning because of their experiments.
 * Leó Szilárd became a civil engineer, following the career of his father.

Changes will be made through out the game.

Old : This is a Map Game about what would have happened if the nuke project had failed, I want all of your idea's, my acount name is Rebelsoldier, I want all of your help. Choose your nations, I am the US.

Make 1 clip of your nation, but stick to the facts

Choose your nations (you may add more)

Choose any nations that existed at the time.

Announcements

 * Attention: The USSR will be given to any player who desires it, since CrimsonAssassin has not been active for quiet some time. The spot will be open to any player who currently possess a small nation, or have no nation at all. On a side note, the maximum moderators will be set to three (myself included), and further request to become one should be posted on my talk page. Enter Name 12:49, April 3, 2011 (UTC) CrimsonAssassin has returned to the game, please disregard the previous information. Enter Name 15:47, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Very special thanks to everyone who contributed to the “No Nukes” map game, for it was the dedication and expertise of every individual that brought this project on the path of success today. Enter Name 00:12, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Moderators:
The number is at three for now, closed  for applying. Please post further request on my talk page.
 * 1) Enter Name 17:31, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) Collie Kaltenbrunner 22:09, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) PitaKang76.240.216.74 00:18, April 2, 2011 (UTC)PitaKang

List of Nations:
United States of America: Rebelsoldier 12:59, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Confederate States of America: Rebelsoldier 00:44, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

France: octiman10 20:20, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Britian: Enter Name 21:06, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Spain:Whitesight 20:31, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Italy: ForeverFaithful 8:40, March 31, 2011 (UTC) You do not exist for some reason, please fix.

Portugal:

USSR: CrimsonAssassin 12:06, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Germany: PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 22:07, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

Hungary: Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:53, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Nationalist China: Matt

Japan: Open

Ireland: UnRegsterd user '''This user is banned for very bad spelling and grammar, along with implausible scenario. '''

Prior History
This area is still under heavy construction.

1944:
November 2nd: Hungary asks for a ceasefire with USSR.

December 17th: German and Hungarian troops route the Allied troops at the Battle of the Bulge, forcing the surrender of the Allied Army under Omar N. Bradly, who was given command of the other part of the main army when the other commanders were shot dead by snipers, and 784,000 Allied troops and several hundred tanks to Axis control.

December 19th: The USA pulls 1.3 million troops from the Pacific front in another attempt to take out Germany before it can take over Japan. Spain pays back the aid of Germany in the Spanish Civil War by joining the Axis powers and declaing war on the Allies and invading both Portugal and France, forcing the Allies to withdraw from Italy and land in Portugal, Operation Roch is ended, or at least put aside until it can be put to use again.

December 25th: Responding the resent disastrous result of Allied advancement, Prime Minister Winston Churchill directs the NZEF (New Zealand Expeditionary Force) to the European theatre. The NZEF force are scheduled to arrive in one month. Members of the British Parliament began to doubt Churchill's wartime unity government.

1945.0
The USA: Anti war riots break out in the USA, and some hot heads call for scessession from the Union, South Carolina, North Carolina, Georgia,, Florida, Alabama, Mississippii, Louisiana, and Texas have elections and peace governors, state legisltaures, and federal congressmen are elected. US troops are pulled from France.

Britian: Winston Churchill dies of cardiac arrest, Deputy Anthony Eden succeeds as Conservative Party leader and Prime Minster. With the United States' resignation in the European Front, Prime Minster Eden propose armistice with Germany.

'''A question on the peace treaty; I can understand Finland's gains in the CCCP but Sweden was tacitly alligned with Finland and Germany. Why (and how, for that matter) would Finland annex Kiruna and its locales? Sweden would certainly fight back, and Finnish forces would be fighting on two fronts. Not to mention that by this time both Finland and Germany had a severly retarded capacity for offensive engagement due to Allied bombing of refineries in German-alligned Romania and Germany proper. Engagement in a large nation with a defensive policy designed specifically to combat threats such as this would not be advised.'''

'''Here's the thing. The Soviet strategy at the time of the invasion of Finland was this: Simply overwhelm them with superior numbers on all fronts, and hundreds of tanks, and also, Sweden is not the nation known for the best military. Also, the Soviet Union tried to adopt the German blitzkrieg tactic, which ultimately failed due to two reasons. One, the Soviet command and military were not used to the “lightning war” tactics, they were still really fighting in the WWI trench warfare, slow advancement style. While they tried to, they really failed. Also, the Soviet Union also had a strategy of basically punching through the lines by invading on all fronts, with overwhelming force, and on at least one of those points, the enemy would fall, and would therefore destroy all the other points. However, the Finland-Soviet border is basically a mountain range, with few points of entry. The Swedish-Finnish border has much flatter, and has much milder weather. A German invasion of Sweden would be much more successful, because while the blitzkrieg is not as effective in this climate/land, the Germans are much more practiced in this. Also, Finland would not be fighting on two fronts, as the Winter War ended in 1940. Therefore, a joint Finland-German invasion of Sweden is plausible.'''

'''Karelia is about as flat as it gets; I see no mountain ranges whatsoever(though that is beside the point if you read on). Lappland is a polar desert for all intents and purposes; I'm not arguing with you there. However, by "on two fronts" I was referring to Finland fighting against Germany in the Lapland War. Also, while the Winter War ended in 1940, the Continuation War lasted until 1944. Also, again, Sweden and Germany were allies. Blitzkrieg tactics are useless at this point in time because, obviously, Germany has no reliable source of oil. Just as obviously, blitzkrieg tactics require massive amounts of it. There would be little gains made before German forces are bogged down in a cold, wet winter with their supply train stretching across an ice-choked sea. As to your comment pertaining to Sweden's supposed lack of military prowness, you are quite wrong. They probably had the best defensive-oriented military in the world at the time in terms of equipment, training, and logistics, if not in manpower. '''

'''My mistake on two points. yes, the Karelia region is swamps and forests, that is one of the worst places to invade by Blitzkreig. That, I will say. Also, I will admit that since there are almost no paved rodes in those nations, and no communications and central command centres easy to access, Germany would be hard-pressed to attack, and that Sweden does have an accomplished military (Did some research on that). However, Germany would have learned from the Winter War that while the Soviet Union was very well adapted to using General Winter, so were the Finnish, and probably therefore the Swedish were too. However, there are motives for Germany to invade. Sweden has massive deposits of iron ore and some of uranium, giving the Germans plenty of reason to invade, seeing as they lacked both. Also, while Sweden may have had the best defense in the world, Germany had the best offence, and while the blitzkreig tactic would not work very well, they still have numerical and technological superiority. Also, the German refineries, etc were not bomed as much as in OTL. Due to the Germans winning the Battle of the Bulge, the Germans would regain air-superiority over Europe, and maybe in Great Britain as well. Also, Italy would not have fallen due to the, once again, the Battle of the Bulge, giving the Germans a lot more manpower than Sweden. Combine that with Finland, and you've got one big offensive.'''

RoC: Nationalist forces complete the goals layed out in Operation Ichigo and turn their attention to the CPC. With backing from the Guanxi Clique and Uyghur warlords, troops push northward against the Communists. They isolate them in and around Anxi and begin to wait out the seige. Smaller task forces deal with pockets in Fujian in cooperation with NGC troops.

Sorry, just for clarification, what do you mean by "The Nationalist forces turn their attention to the KMT"?

My bad I'm getting my acronyms mixed up

Germany: In Germany, sweeping new purges take place, but much more specialized and precise than the previous ones. They accept the armstice with Germany, while secretly planning a new operation, Operation Seadragon, which would launch an invasion of both Great Britain, and also begin an invasion of Sweden, where they heard that Jews have escaped from Denmark. However, right then, before the invasion, Hitler and almost the entire cabinet are killed by a bomb from a French Resistance Member. Albert Speer, who had been home sick for the meeting, takes control immediately. He begins to stop the "Final Solution", as that it is bringing much condemnation to Germany. They also offer a cease-fire with the Soviet Union.

See my comments above

I'm fairly sure this is a spelling mistake, but Germany cannot accept armstice with itself.

USSR: While most of the Germans are fighting in the West, the USSR takes advantage of a relatively distracted army and retakes parts of Russia.

'''By 1945, the USSR should have already acquired a large portion of Eastern Europe. Also, the events in 1944 does not suggest that the USSR had any problem advancing in the Eastern Front, even without the aid of the U.S and the British, therefore, instead of taking over imaginary portions of Russia still under foreign occupation, the USSR should have continue its push eastward.'''

Spain: Spain invades what is remaining of Portugal and by the end of the year most of the country is occupied including Lisbon.

1945.6
The USA: Anti war riots continue in the south, and a radical new branch of the KKK runs in state elections, and 12 states inaugurate these people as there new governments. The 12 states, (Kentucky, the Carolinas Virginia, Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Louisiana, Arkansas, Georgia, and Florida,) send a petition to Congress to end the war, or they will withdraw there troops from the armed forces and very possibly, make a separate peace with the Axis Powers.

'''Hungary should already be occupied by the Soviets, and even if the capital was not take in the Siege of Budapest, the Hungarian First and Second Army corps should be at least awfully devastated or completely destroyed, and the supposed surviving Third Army corps would be severely damaged. You are welcome to add additional information about Hungary in the "Prior History" section.'''

Germany: Germany encourages the anti-war riots in the US, and tell the US that they will accept peace from the US if offered, with no reparation or anything. It also offers to release all US PoWs, as well as all other allied ones for peace. However, they tell Britain that they will be taking Egypt, whether they want or not. Romel, who had survived (unlike OTL), will lead the attack, and will take over Egypt swiftly, since they had lost reinforcements and supplies from the British.

Britain: Britain strongly encourages the two opposing factions in the United States to settle aside their differences and focus containing Germany's aggression, as demonstrated by Germany's attack on Egypt, and urges for the United States to re-enter the Western Front as soon as possible. The attack on Egypt was viewed as imminent threat to the British's relation with the Middle East, and Britain will negotiate with the Soviet Union by cancelling the armistice between Britain and Germany, along with dividing the regions of the Middle East after the war ends, provided that the Soviet Union would not agree on a ceasefire with Germany and continue to its push into German Proper.

France: France consolidates its military to defend itself and perform hit and run attacks on the germans.

Ierland sends 2 corps to belfast and expels brisist

Fix your spelling and grammar (four spelling mistake in a sentence of nine words).

Ireland supported the Allied forces during WWII, and declaring an illogical act of war against the British will force Britain to retaliate, and the Ireland Defence Force will most likely be defeated by the British Armed Forces since the British Armed Forces are far more superior, for example, the Irish Navy consist only of only six motor torpedo boats at the time, and it's air force is far more outdated than the British Air Force.

1946

 * Hungary keeps waiting for a response from USSR about its surrender proposal.most troops in the western part of the country are moved to Budapest.
 * Spain builds up its air force, army and navy. Any attack on Germany and Spain willl respond. Spain harshly puts down any resitance in Portugal.
 * The British 2nd Army and the NZEF begin the liberation of France, by re-entering the demolished portions of the Atlantic Wall in Normandy. The British and the New Zealand forces was able to surround the unprepared German 7th Army in Caen, without counter attacks made by the German 5th Panzer Army, since the 5th Panzer was still in North Africa (because somehow the Afrika Korps was able to take Egypt). The German 7th Army surrendered, and the British forces were able to secure much of northern France, including Paris. Britain again encourages America to participate in the Western Front.
 * KMT troops finish off the last of the Communists and begin the final drive to push the Japanese off the mainland. Much of southeastern China is taken.
 * You are pushing far too quickly, since the nationalist were in a fairly bad situation in the war, and destroying the communist within the period of one year seems implausible. If the nationalist was not able to stop the Japanese advancement in the mainland, I would doubt that Chiang Kai-shek was able to rally the nationalist to such a point where the KMT troops are able to push the Japanese away in a year. I will however, for the sake of the map game, allow you to retake a reasonable portion of South Eastern China, as part of your counter offence. 
 * Germany once again offers the USSR a cease-fire, as well as to Britain, in return for Egypt. The 7th Panzer Divison, headed by Rommel, along with 35 other divisons, start a massive offensive in Western Europe and France, along with 20 divisons being sent to the USSR-German border. They now have completely stopped The Final Solution, thanks to the efforts of Albert Speer and Ervin Rommel. Many Jewish scientists are released from concentration camps, but are forced to make weapons for the Germans.
 * The weapon in development has to be approved by me, Enter Name.
 * The USA: The 12 states, saying there warnigs will not be withdrawn, declare independance from the Union and resurect the Confederate States of America, with the Capital at Montgomery, Alabama. ( I will control the CSA nad the USA, as longas anyone does not mind Rebelsoldier 19:06, April 2, 2011 (UTC) ) The CSA offers the Axis an alliance in return for recognition and that when the war ends, they will be allowed to keep there injdependance. The 1st and 2nd Confederate Armis are formed and prepare to invade the Union, which begins to raopidly withdraw troops from the Pacific theater while withdrawing 90% of its troops from Europe. CS troops in the west invade New Mexico and press westward while US troops move in and slowly begin to conquer Virginia and partd of the Carolinas. The CSA asks Mexico to declare war on the Union iin return for, at the wars end, Guam and the Philipenes as welll as Japan to send troops to invade the American Pacific coast.
 * CSA_Map_1946_2.png
 * Just a question, but is a Southern invasion of the North really feasible? Going on US Census figures, blacks made up around 20% of the South's population at the time and they are likely to be opposed to the move. It would not bode well for the CSA to have a large, hostile population within their borders while at the same time fighting a war. Also, keep in mind that the original Civil War was not a revolution but a war of independence. Looking at any part of the equation shows a disproportionate amount of America's industry, agriculture (as in food production), and population is located in the North. Independence is realistic, a revolution is not
 * Well noted, and this is going to be a war of independance.

1946.6

 * Hungary keeps its troops in Budapest and the eastern part of the country.Still is waiting response of USSR about its ceasefire proposal.
 * The timeline itself is fairly messed up (I hope to fix that soon), let's just say that Britain and Hungary are neutral to each other.
 * Britain strengths the defence of Northern France, and begins the liberation of Belgium. The British government promises the independence of France once Germany is defeated, and ask for the aid of French partisan fighters. Britain would again ask the USSR to press on its attack to German Proper, and ask the Chinese Nationalist government to aid in the British campaign against Burma, in return, Britain will supply the Chinese Nationalist with weapons and funding from India. The Indian 4th, 8th and 10th Infantry Division moves from Mosul to Damascus, in order to protect the Syrian independence from German occupation.
 * Spain expands its navy and airforce. Spain launches an offensive against OTL Morroco and by the end of the year most of Morroco is occupied by Spain.

1947

 * Hungary start to amp up it's army, since the USSR didn't advanced in Hungarian territory since 1945.Once again, Hungary asks for a ceasefire to USSR.
 * The USSR wants money for damages done by the German invasions.
 * Again, the USSR has regained all of its territories in western Russia, and has now control a majority of Eastern Europe. The “No Nuke” time line has very little to no changes to the outcome of Operation Barbarossa (with the exception of Hungarian autonomy, but the timeline itself is still under heavy construction).
 * Yo, i asked for a ceasefire to USSR two rounds ago and i'm still waiting for a response.
 * I seriously doubt CrimsonAssassin is paying much attention to the other posts, I'm considering switching him to a lesser important country, or kicking him. But I'll need the decision of the mods.
 * Dude, calm down. I was in Washington for a few days. No reason to ban me or switch me. I'll change my post, but to hand bans out left and right is rediculous.
 * I can attest that he was, since he left a message in Axis vs Allies explaining that he would be out for some days.
 * I'm very Sorry CirmsonAssassin, please accept my apology, but I'm sure you do understand the importance of the USSR in the war.
 * Spains air force and navy is rapidly expanded. Spanish troops mass on the Spanish-French border. Spain begins building up its army. Spain observes German Blitzkrieg tactics and begins to incorporate them into their invasion. Spain begin building anti- air defences throughout Spain and Spanish Morocco.
 * The British fully liberates Belgium, and strength the country's land and air defence. A portion RAF is relocated to France. The 2nd British Army secures area on the eastern side of the Rhine river, and takes a defensive position, while the NZEF pushes north in to the Netherlands. The RAF in France made bombing runs on western German defensive installations and civilian structure. The Indian 4th and 8th Infantry Division launches offenses in Egypt, Alexandria is taken, the remaining Axis forces is cut off supply from Italy, while the 10th Infantry Division is still stationed at a well defended Damascus, blocking possible escape route to the Middle East. The British government commences conscription and a large series of intra-national propaganda, and forms the British 3rd Army.
 * Germany sends 10 more divisions to the Western front, making a combined total of 525,000 men. They retake Belgium, as well as parts of Vincy France. The German 7th Army is sent to Egypt, and takes control of the Nile Delta. The Luffwaffe starts a campaign over France, Egypt, and the USSR in order to gain complete air-superiority over all those regions. The Messerschmitt Me 262 is improved and mass-produced, and is one of the most efficient aricraft in the world, with a kill-death ratio of 7:1. Meanwhile, German officers are sent to Spain to help them train their troops for Blitzkreig tactics. Also, with the help of Jewish scientists, the first nuclear weapon is planned for 1948.
 * PitaKang, without Einstein, there would not be proposal of Mass-energy equivalence, much less the possibility of a fission bomb or any type of nuclear powered crafts or reactors. Please try to understand that one of the main points of this map game is "No Nukes", as in "No nations during WWII have nuclear capability". Also, just to make sure, which 5th Army are you referring to? The Panzer Army was destroyed, and the other 5th Army is an occupational security force in Poland (which has to somehow get through multiple Soviet occupied countries before even reaching Greece).
 * Whoops! I didn't read that Einstein didn't become a scientist. However, can you have, some day, some kind of Jewish or whatever scientist come up with that theory? Because it would be lame without nukes later on. Also, the 5th Army was a typo. I meant 7th Army.