Talk:Greece (1983: Doomsday)

Nowiki Marks
I don't think those marks are me. All I did was add asterisks so as to make a bulleted list. My computer doesn't like these new changes; then again Vista doesn't actually like anything at all. Mr.Xeight 20:24, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You might eant to contact an admin, I've been seeing it with all of your edits when it involves Wiki code. Mitro 20:37, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Dodecanese
What exactly are the "Turkish colonies" mentioned for the Dodecanese Republic? --DarthEinstein 19:22, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Tiny, little settlements on the Turkish coast directly across from the islands such as Rhodes; most I'm sure were mere abandoned towns that the surplus population was compelled to move to. Mr.Xeight 03:53, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Currency
The Commonwealth dollar does not seem like the most logical one for the Greeks to peg with; the ANZC may be powerful, but I do not think they're much of an economic force in the Mediterranean. Is there anything closer? The Nordic krone, maybe? Benkarnell 06:25, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

I suppose I only pegged it to show that it might be a fortunate nation, though still a still emerging one. Though if the ANZCA is too far away I suppose it will only have its own set value for the dollar. I'm guessing the New Federation will do the same, but Lord knows when I'll break through the current melancholy/sloth I'm experiencing, I can barely keep my eyes open now. Mr.Xeight 07:21, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Proposal COA
It took me a while to find and edit, but what do you think of this (if you think it needs improvments, just edit it).

Territory
I think with how strong the confederation is economically and militarily they would control more of mainland greece.Oerwinde 08:09, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

We still need a concrete map of the territories controlled by the confederation.

Yankovic270 22:50, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Macedonia
First of all, I'm very sorry about the whole thing, I'm new to the site and this is my first 1983: DD article, and I didn't know so sorry. Next, I don't know how to fix the map so I'm kind of stuck on that, but if I can, I'll change

Very Sorry Ownerzmcown 15:25, July 2, 2010 (UTC) 22:25, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Look, I know you don't think very well of me, but I would like to say on my page that our countries contacted each other, so if you'll let bygons be bygons, that I'd like to put that on my page.

Again Sorry Ownerzmcown 15:25, July 2, 2010 (UTC) 1:48, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Dude, seriously I need a response, can I include Greece in my Kingdom of Macedonia article or not? Ownerzmcown 17:00, July 3, 2010 (UTC) 18:00, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Lol. Calm down. He'll get you a response eventually. Caeruleus 21:58, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Military
Just putting in some of my 2 cents in here, but why haven't you guys written anything about the Greek military yet, and thinking about it I probably shouldn't put this in the Macedonia section, it has nothing to do with Macedonia. Ownerzmcown 03:04, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Flag of the Confederation
When the First United Parliament met to settle things, one of the first issues was a flag. The Hellenic Republic decided to use the flag of Greece from before 1983, whereas the Despotate of Moreos gave its idea of the flag of the Byzantine Empire. The Delian League proposed a new flag for the Confederacy, one that did not lean towards any one nation. One man Βενιαμίν Καρνέλλος (Veniamin Karnellos) proposed that the underlying theme by unity, in hopes of unifying the states one day. He chose the old colors of Greece (white and blue) and put gold stars for each of the states, even a star for Cyprus. In the center of the blue Saint Andrew's cross Venedethiktos placed a slightly larger gold star, for brotherhood and Hellenism. As of June 19th, 1994 Venedethiktos' proposal became the official flag of the new Confederacy of Greece.

Flag Gallery

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Russian Confederacies promise to Greece
As part of the Russian Confederacies program of international relations it's trying to build alliances with other powers in the former USSR, the Baltic, and the Balkans. Although it doesn't claim to be a successor to the USSR I suspect it would have no love for Turkey due to Russia's almost constant rivalry with Turkey and before that the Ottoman Empire. As a result of that as one of the RC's creators i'd like to make the following offer to Greece.

In this the Confederacy would promise to uphold Greece's independence by essentially pointing some of its Pioneer and Scud missiles at turkey and saying that of it attacks Greece it will face bombardment with Chemical weapons. In return for this the Confederacy would want Greece to stand up for the Confederacy in the LoN and other organisations wich the ANZC and USSR have blocked it's admittance to. What are your thoughts on this?.Vegas adict 10:03, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that in the post-Doomsday world, no one would accept a regime who uses nuclear, chemical, or biological weaponry... Caeruleus
 * They don't actualy use them, its mainly a way of saying to its enemies that it will use them should they or thier allies have there existence threatened. The nukes are part of a seperate program to stop the USSR from attacking. The pioneers can also carry a Fuel Air explosive and the scuds can carry a convential explosive as well.Vegas adict 20:54, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * And what about Macedonia in this situationa dn creating an alliance with them? Ownerzmcown 21:02, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * No concern, does Macedonia have IRBM's (Intermediate Range Balistic Missiles) or theater Balistic Missiles. No, does it possess bombers/ground attack aircraft able to bypass MiG-25 and MiG-21 interceptors, No. Therefore Macedonia would not pose a strategic threat although it also might face sporadic strikes from Missiles and aircraft. Remember this promise is still only an offer, the Greek caretakers have not yet respondedVegas adict 21:17, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

As much as I might enjoy the history of the Russian Empire and be frustrated over a great percentage of average-American citizens' Russophobia and all around bigotry, I can't accept-this alliance would be Turkey's excuse to declare war on me, and I certainly won't let that happen. I thank you for your alliance, but it would be a detriment as opposed to a mutual-benefit. Mr.Xeight 21:30, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * ^I agree with the above statement. Thank you for your realism Mr.Xeight, and that's honest btw.
 * Also, I'm just curious about something Vegas. Why would you reach out to Greece in this way? Greece is focusing on the Meditterranean, faces greater threats from elsewhere (Sicily and Turkey), and has little power projection capability into the area. You also would make an enemy of Turkey, a nation that to date has shown little interest in Russia or opposition to the Russian Confederacy. Why don't you try reaching out to a nation that is both interested in the area and can compete with Socialist Siberia, such as the Nordic Union? Caeruleus 23:14, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Oh butt out, this isn't your conversation... Mr.Xeight 23:30, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a wiki. It's everyone's conversation. Besides, it was a genuine question with no derogatory intent. Caeruleus 23:39, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

But Greece and the Confederacy of Russia fall with the respective domains of me and Vegas, not you. And really, you don't think after all the snyde comments and you trying to undo every talk I'm trying to have with Macedonia as if you control Macedonia and Owner I don't take everything you say as annoying and obnoxious? Mr.Xeight 23:43, August 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * You never give this up do you? My comments aren't "snide." I'm simply pursing the facts, attempting to achieve a realistic outcome, and, of course, pursuing what would be the interests of Turkey, when referring to the Macedonian issue. Also, I have made no attempts to show I "control" Macedonia. Like you and everyone else here, I try to pursue the most realistic outcome in line with our goal to make our althists as historically plausible as possible. Caeruleus 23:48, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Caeruleus, my reasons for choosing greece as a potential ally are: Vegas adict 04:38, August 26, 2010 (UTC) Also the recen the RC has been denied access to the LoN is due to some of its opresive member states, greece has a facist dictatorship and so is less likely to object to speaking for the RC in the LoNVegas adict 04:46, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Russia and Turkey share a historical hatred.
 * 2) The magority of the RC is orthodox christian as is greece.
 * 3) The RC is able to project power into Turkey and the Balklans without having to use its IRBM's.
 * Okay. That makes sense. You could also try improving connections with Belarus, another breakaway republic that fears Socialist Siberia. Caeruleus 18:49, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Libya
I was thinking, since Greece is going through this anceint Greek revival phase, Libya should be called Cyrenaica in accordance to the ancient Greek name for the area. Caeruleus 23:58, August 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Agreed.Oerwinde 00:47, August 28, 2010 (UTC)