Talk:Axis vs Allies: Reborn (Map Game)/Archive 2

Nukes Nukes Nukes!
Let's index up the nuke programs:

Year finish i.e. when nuke production starts. Regards, Laptop Zombie 07:57, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

What about me, Ive had Nuclear posts since 1943 and I have  Yoshio Nishna.XX (talk) 12:08, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Just add another row to the table for your nation. Regards, Laptop Zombie 12:38, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

C'mon people, fill this table up! Regards, Laptop Zombie 13:23, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Italys had nuclear research since 1942.5 and Enrico Fermi is actualy an Italian, so please put him under Italy. (DeanSims: Talk) 14:40, January 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * I had Enrico Fermi move to Sweden.            [[Image:Regen Flag.png|25px|link=User:Scrawland Scribblescratch]]      ♒   "Fear the power    of the Dark Side of the Force."  23:45, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Just add Italy to the table. Regards, Laptop Zombie 01:25, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

I dont know if the USA accepted the offer of working on the nuke or not, so I added him with me just in caseXX (talk) 20:35, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

With Italy, the USA, and me working together, we should then get done by 1945.5

Italy agrees to work together with you. (DeanSims: Talk) 20:23, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

I hope I fixed the chart, it being really big was bugging me for a while. Stewdio333 (talk) 02:45, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

China?
Does anyone still care about China? AS they are in a civil war anyways, there is no doubt they will become communist. Can I finish them off, or does anyone still care?XX (talk) 12:28, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Just leave Tibet, Hong Kong and Macou alone, but China can be crunched.The River Nile-2 (talk) 19:43, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

I can understand HK and Macou, but why tibet?XX (talk) 20:17, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

I was concerned over Tibet since India, Nepal and the USSR may get worried, because they might not want you capturing it all for your self and get jelose of it, assuming there enamys of Japan.The River Nile-2 (talk) 01:06, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Italian Lead DITO Coalition

 * Location: +2 (Rome is thousands of miles away from Addis Ababa)
 * Tactical Advantage: -2 (Invading mountainous nations which is half desert, attackers advantage )
 * Strength: Italy (L+4), Libya (MV+2), Eritrea (MV+2), Macedonia (MV+2), Serbia (MV+2), Montenegro (MV+2), Sweden (M, +3) Abruzzo (MV+2), Aosta Valley (MV+2), Apulia (MV+2), Basilicata (MV+2), Calabria (MV+2), Campania (MV+2), Emilia-Romagna (MV+2), Friuli-Venezia Giulia (MV+2), Lazio (MV+2), Liguria (MV+2), Lombardy (MV+2), Marche (MV+2), Molise (MV+2), Piedmont (MV+2), Sardinia (MV+2), Sicily (MV+2), Trentino-Alto Adige (MV+2), Tuscany (MV+2), Umbria (MV+2), Veneto (MV+2) = 57
 * Greater economy: +3
 * Greater population: +3
 * Motive: +5 (Political, taking out a long time enemy)
 * Morale: -1
 * Special Status: 0
 * Economic Situation: +3 (Fair Economy)
 * Chance: +8
 * 15:13
 * 1*5*1*3=15
 * 15/4809=.00101289756
 * .00101289756*pi= 0.00318211153
 * Total: 78

Ethiopia (Defender)

 * Location: +5 (At the war)
 * Tactical Advantage: +5 (Defender, desert)
 * Strength: Ethiopia (L+4) = +4
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: 0
 * Economic Situation: +1 (average economy)
 * Chance: +1
 * Total: 25

Result
DITO froces crush the Ethiopians and take mcuh of southern Ethiopia as wellm as parts of northern and central Ethiopia

Discussion
would be apreciated if someone could do this, also Italy is allied with Sweden, Australia, Serbia, Macedonia, and Montenegro as well as japan. (DeanSims: Talk) 14:54, January 28, 2013 (UTC)#

I agree.The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:15, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

thanks to whoever finished it. (DeanSims: Talk) 21:33, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Corrected. Should have done some research on the region first. And how was Ethiopia a longtime enemy if Italy was help help Ethiopia modernize? Which by the way thanks for. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 22:01, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

you totaly screwed that up (DeanSims: Talk) 22:12, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Why? Because I followed the rules? Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 22:31, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Dean stop editing the algorithm. Vassals only count as +2, and Sweden, Aus, and Japan never committed. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:51, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

read the game, japan and both of its vassals did australia did to (DeanSims: Talk) 22:57, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Sweden did promise to help Italy. I add myself in now.                  ♒   "Fear the power    of the Dark Side of the Force."  23:00, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Italian Lead DITO Coalition

 * Location: +2 (Rome is thousands of miles away from Addis Ababa)
 * Tactical Advantage: -2 (Invading mountainous nations which is half desert)
 * Strength: Italy (L+4), Libya (MV+2), Eritrea (MV+2), Macedonia (MV+2), Serbia (MV+2), Montenegro (MV+2) Sweden (+3) Abruzzo (MV+2), Aosta Valley (MV+2), Apulia (MV+2), Basilicata (MV+2), Calabria (MV+2), Campania (MV+2), Emilia-Romagna (MV+2), Friuli-Venezia Giulia (MV+2), Lazio (MV+2), Liguria (MV+2), Lombardy (MV+2), Marche (MV+2), Molise (MV+2), Piedmont (MV+2), Sardinia (MV+2), Sicily (MV+2), Trentino-Alto Adige (MV+2), Tuscany (MV+2), Umbria (MV+2), Veneto (MV+2) = 57
 * Greater economy: +3
 * Greater population: +3
 * Motive: +5 (Political, taking out a long time enemy)
 * Morale: -1
 * Special Status: 0
 * Economic Situation: +3 (Fair Economy)
 * Chance: +6
 * 1*7*4*2=56
 * 36/4789= 0.00751723
 * 3.14=0.02360409
 * Total: 76

Ethiopia (Defender)
Tactical Advantage: +5 (Ogaden & Somalian Deserts)
 * Location: +5 (At the war)
 * Strength: Ethiopia (L+4), Ogaden (MV+2), Puntland (MV+2), Djibouti (MV+2), North Yemen (MV+2), Somalia (MV+2), Tigray (MV+2), Southern Regions (MV+2), South Sudan (MV+2), Affar (MV+2), Oromo (MV+2), Gambella (MV+2) = 26
 * Motive:+10
 * Morale: 0 (Never fought the Italian in combat in-game)
 * Economic Situation: +5 (Was always at 5 throughout game)
 * Chance: +2
 * 15:28
 * 1*5*2*7=140
 * 140/1642=0.08500303582270795
 * 0.08526187576126674*pi=0.2677222898903776
 * Total: 53

Result
DITO Victory,  Somalia and much of central and northern Ethiopia is taken.

Discussion
Here's a second algorithim for Dean's sudden invasion. The mods can choose whichever one they feel to be more accurate. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 22:40, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

How is an invasion thats been going on for over a year without you making an algorithm sudden?

Fixed up. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:43, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

his provinces/states dont count, there part of his federation with a one national govwernment, he only gets 4for his strength (DeanSims: Talk) 22:58, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Think of Ethiopia as the British Commonwealth. Multiple nations with one ruling monarch. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 23:04, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

thatsnot the asme thing, your a federartion, birtians a commonwealth, big difference. (DeanSims: Talk) 23:06, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Then explain the difference to us please. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 23:08, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but Dean is entirely correct this time. It's like adding all the US States in.                <span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:5px;padding-top:5px;-webkit-border-radius: 36px 36px;-moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px;-webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#E5E4E2 45%, #282828 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(black,#000000 45%, #282828 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px;"> <font color="#000000" face="Harrington" title="Profile"> ♒  <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  23:10, January 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * Not entirely. I gave the provinces, which in OTL are self-governing, partial independence in the last turn. They can maintain militaries, governments, and the like, though they are largely apart of the Ethiopian realm. This addresses a long-standing issue in Ethiopia today regarding ethnicity. So there is little differnce from my nations and the Commonwealth. And dang Scraw, that's some complicated code! Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 23:28, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * I still doubt they should be included in the algorithm. It's like all the SSRs of New Union's USSR being thrown in.
 * As to to other part of your comment, I have one word. Quite.
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 * Except for the fact that the Ethiopian vassals are actual nations, while the Soviet states have little political power. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 00:21, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * ...You yourself say that they are not vassals. In your federation (or whatever you call it), they are equivalent to US states. And obviously you know nothing of New Union.
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 * When did I say they weren't vassals? And I have read New Union, just never read much of the political structure of the USSR. Plus I'm using a phone, my fingers get tired, so I didn't do much reading. Cut me a break. So allow me to clarify. Ethiopia is like the British Empire and its dominions which possessed their own militaries. Exact same thing. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 01:22, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * I am now forced to wonder what sane government gives several neighboring regions formerly united under one central government vassal status, deconsolidating a whole empire and giving each and every single former region the full capability to distance itself from the mother nation and eventually becoming an independent nation with the abilities to reconsume what was once a whole empire and establish itself as a minor power. As you can see, this is just plain retarded, as your empire is not widespread and the whole thing borders the rest of it. You may implausibly keep your union, but it will not be implemented in algorithms. And I don't even want to know why you created an algorithm when we already had the one above,  which we are using .
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 * And your economy should never have been 5; despite your economy's good state, the bonus is relative, and your economy pales to the Swedish, Soviet, German, American, or even Japanese economy.
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 * Shame, since the head mod (which you are not), overruled Dean's algorithim. And maybe you should take a flight to Ethiopia (OTL one thank you), and ask them why they disbanded their provincial system in exchange for a self-governing one. You've been overruled by the very mod you yourself stated you obeyed, and as far as government goes, i can do whatever I want to my nation. Actual nations have done far worse with far more. If I wish to create a union of self-governing nations (which Ethiopia has been more or less over the last couple centuries), then that is my choice. And so you can understand econ-wise, Sweden's economy, even with its new holdings, is absolutely tiny. OTL and ATL wise, your economy is smaller than South Africa's. I've got more people and power than South Africa, so common sense would dictate that I also have more money too. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 02:36, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Australia and The Dutch Government in Exile in the Dutch East Indies pledged to respect the neutrality of Ethiopia after it left the axis and will help neither side if it has. The clients- West Indonesia, Banda Aceh, Timor, North Sulawesi (that is OTL E. Timor and most of Indonesia) are becoming agitated by the war since they are left-wing republicans who don’t like emperors and so send some weapons, kit, mercenaries and volunteer troops, whilst Australia tells them to calm down and prepossess a peace summit.The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:19, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

I added the Italian regions, if Ethiopia can do it, so can I. (DeanSims: Talk) 19:20, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Japan

 * Location:4
 * Tactical:1
 * Strength: Military(5) 15, Nonmilitary(2) 4, Greater Industry:3, Big Cheese:4
 * Motive: 6
 * Special: 10
 * Morale:0
 * Economy:5
 * Chance 2*3*4*2: 48
 * 48/2151; 0.0209205
 * 3.14:0.06569038 Chance:6
 * Total: 58

China

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical:2
 * Strength: Greater Pop:3
 * Motive:10
 * Morale: -3
 * Economy:1
 * Chance: 3
 * Total:21

Result
Most of China is taken to Japan. Haig a new Communist government in Japan, the Communist Rebels in China  Submerge the remanng part into a civil war, which is won and the Extra land land is set up into a vassal.

Aussie overseas assignation plot
A cell of three SIS (Australia's Secret Intelligence Service) agents and a couple of ex-French resistance fighters corner Heinrich Himmler’s car as it speeds out of Hanover. The group has been tracking him for a few months now. The car is desperately sprayed with bullets and crashes into a tree as it swerves out of the way. A grenade is then tossed at it and goes off! A firefight then ensues with the three German outriders. The three SIS agents and the two Frenchmen died and the outriders live. An RNG test will decide the fate of the car’s occupants (Hienrich Himmler, Martin Bormann, the chauffeur, Mr. Himmler’s pet dog, the bodyguard and the private secretary).

Absence
I'm sorry for the unexpected absence, I'm back now. What did I miss? Fed (talk) 23:09, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

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The Australians got an empier, but are now desolving part of it.The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:21, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Japan annexed Veitnam, Siam and CHina, and joined the allies after the axis mistreated them76.189.189.219 00:04, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Wait, so little friend means I'm subservient to you or that I'm your ally? Fed (talk) 00:11, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

You're an ally, but I am more or less the more powerful one. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:5px;padding-top:5px;-webkit-border-radius: 36px 36px;-moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px;-webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#E5E4E2 45%, #282828 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(black,#000000 45%, #282828 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px;"> <font color="#000000" face="Harrington" title="Profile"> ♒  <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  00:21, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

And Denmark is independent, and nuked by Germany, and attacking Germany. Regards, Laptop Zombie 09:33, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Nobody really won the war. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 20:43, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Australia  killed Himmler and Borman!The River Nile-2 (talk) 22:37, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

UN
We tooooooooooooooooooooootally forgot a UN. Who wants to help Sweden make a new UN? Aussie? Denmark? Sovietskaya? Angle Land? Amerika? Fansh? Yapan? Anyone?

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I guess Ethiopia will join in. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 00:03, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Australia will!The River Nile-2 (talk) 00:48, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Have the full backing of the US. Enclavehunter (talk) 03:06, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think so, ILEAN is so enough. I might think again later. Regards, Laptop Zombie 09:18, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Northern War
Would be pleased if someone can do this. Germany nuked Denmark and Sweden, they took a revenge, Sweden nuke Germany and Denmark have some border clashes.

Japan

 * Location:3
 * tactical:1
 * Strength(JApan,VSR,PSRC, USA, Australia) 15, (Italy) 2, Greater Pop:3, Greater Industry:3, Big Cheese:4
 * Motive:6
 * Special:10
 * Morale:0
 * Economic Situation:5
 * Chance
 * 2151: 12
 * 12\2221: 0.00540297
 * 3.14==0.01696533 Chance:9
 * total:61

Bhutan&Nepal

 * Location:5
 * Tactical:2
 * Strength:3
 * Motove:10
 * Morale:0
 * Economy:-1
 * Chance:3
 * Total:22

Result
Bhutan and Nepal are taken by the Japs.
 * Australia is an allie of Japan, Nepal; Italy and Bhutan. It is neatral annd dose not join in.The River Nile-2 (talk) 22:09, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, dosent make much a diffrenceXX (talk) 22:16, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's just a twist of overseas politics that caught me out, no offence meant.The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:09, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Japan

 * Location: 3
 * Tactical:1
 * Strength(Japan,SR,PSRC,USA,Australia,Italy,Macendonia,Libya,Eritrea,Serbia,Montergeno,Exile Dutch,East Indies, Free Timor, NOrth Sulawesi)42, Greater Pop 3, Greater Indus:3 Big Cheese 4
 * Motive: 6
 * Morale:0
 * Special:10
 * Economy:5
 * Chance: 2213:12
 * 12/2222:0.00540054
 * 3.14: 0.01695727 Chance:9
 * Total:86

India

 * Location:5
 * Tactical:2
 * Strength:0
 * Motive10
 * Morale:0
 * Economy:1
 * Chance:2
 * Total:20

Result
Crushing Dito victory 86/4=21.5, Most of the country is in ruins, with Indian government pushed back to Ceylon. Japan claims Pakistan and Mayanmar, and is willing to let a member of DITO have a region.

You cannot take much land here because you have to cross the Himalayas. Just give Muslim areas independence, and take Nepal or Bhutan. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:5px;padding-top:5px;-webkit-border-radius: 36px 36px;-moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px;-webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#E5E4E2 45%, #282828 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(black,#000000 45%, #282828 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px;"> <font color="#000000" face="Harrington" title="Profile"> ♒  <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  22:52, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

This cannot happen. Japan, under all circumstances, will rule no part of India proper. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:5px;padding-top:5px;-webkit-border-radius: 36px 36px;-moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px;-webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#E5E4E2 45%, #282828 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(black,#000000 45%, #282828 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px;"> <font color="#000000" face="Harrington" title="Profile"> ♒  <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  20:19, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Scraw, why dont you just have India become a protectorate or ally, wed love to have them in DITO. (DeanSims: Talk) 20:22, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

ok but i will keep pakistan

Liberation of Yugoslavia
Anyone against Germany liberating Yugoslavia from Italy? Also can I take over Greece so I can have a Mediterranean port? Thanks. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 20:46, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Go for Yugoslavia. Just try to make some of the major ethnicities independent. Greece is a no go. That's pushing it right now. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:5px;padding-top:5px;-webkit-border-radius: 36px 36px;-moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px;-webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#E5E4E2 45%, #282828 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(black,#000000 45%, #282828 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px;"> <font color="#000000" face="Harrington" title="Profile"> ♒  <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  23:10, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Why though? It happened in OTL... PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 23:28, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Because WWII is over and no one has time for all that douchebaggery. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:5px;padding-top:5px;-webkit-border-radius: 36px 36px;-moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px;-webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#E5E4E2 45%, #282828 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(black,#000000 45%, #282828 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px;"> <font color="#000000" face="Harrington" title="Profile"> ♒  <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  23:47, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Germany (Belligerent)

 * Location: +3
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Germany (L, BC+8), Romania (MV+2), Hungary (MV+2), Bulgaria (MV+2), Czechoslovakia (MV+2), Poland (MV+2), Spain (MV+2), Ethiopia (M+3) = +23
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +6 (Social/Moral)
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +7
 * 18:25


 * 1*8*2*5= 80
 * 80/7960= 0.01005025125
 * 0.01005025125*pi= 0.03157379551
 * 0.03157379551
 * Total: 61

Italy (Defendant)

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Italy (L+4)= +4, Italy (L+4), Libya (MV+2), Eritrea (MV+2), Macedonia (MV+2), Serbia (MV+2), Montenegro (MV+2) Denmark (+3) Campania (MV+2), Liguria (MV+2), Lombardy (MV+2), Piedmont (MV+2), Sardinia (MV+2), Sicily (MV+2), Tuscany (MV+2), Umbria (MV+2), Veneto (MV+2), Baltic vassals of Sweden (MV*3=6) = 41
 * Motive: +5
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +3
 * Chance: +9
 * Total: 64

Result
Italy barely manages to keep German forces out of Yugoslavia, although it begins to see things and give some of the Slavic ethnicities limited autonomy.

Discussion
Germany could set up a  client state like WW2 Croatia, and so on. The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:31, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Also, Ethiopia took Eritrea from Italy in its botched invasion. So you can just take that out of the algorithim. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 00:00, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Wrong. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:5px;padding-top:5px;-webkit-border-radius: 36px 36px;-moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px;-webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#E5E4E2 45%, #282828 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(black,#000000 45%, #282828 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px;"> <font color="#000000" face="Harrington" title="Profile"> ♒  <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  00:07, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Jow does Germany conquer me after just getting nuked 3 times? They shpuldnt be doing any invading. Also Ethiopias provinces didnt count. you cant.be.nuled and carry on so easily. (DeanSims: Talk) 02:02, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

They do count Dean. As you can see that I gave them the same status as British dominions to resolve issues that plauged Ethiopia ATL and OTL over the issue of ethnicity. The Oromo, Amhara, and Tigray are at each others throats, and just as Ethiopia did in 1954 with Eritrea, I gave them nation-status within the wider Ethiopian empire so as to give them so time to cool down. They have militaries, governments, and status as nations, just like Eritrea in the federation with Ethiopia until Ethiopia annexed it starting the Eritrean War of Independence. This is the result of research when you actually do the research. So, I get Eritrea because my dominions do count. And Scraw, use sententences like the rest of us. As for you Dean, I have a navy large enough to move troops to other regions. Even though invading Italy is beyond my desires or motives, I can still fight you. And as this and the last algorithim have shown, Italy is a crap nation. It was in real life, and it still is in alternate history. Also, I'm adding Ethiopia's support for Germany right now. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 02:20, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Also, if you read the current breakdown of the Ethiopia nation in OTL, they replaced the provicial system with a self-governing system, which critics have claimed are too similar to the South African "bantustans", which if you look up, were self-governing nations South Africa planned on releasing, but never recieved international recognition, forcing them to reunite with South Africa. So let's get this clear right now. My "provinces" aren't provinces. Not in ATL or OTL. In this ATL, they are equal to the British dominions (like New Zealand, Austraila, and Canada before their release). Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 02:25, January 31, 2013 (UTC) Fine, ill just carve Italy into about 12 little dominions, if you can do it so easily, why cant I? And Germany was just nuked 5 FREAKING TIMES, IT CANT CARRY OUT AN OFFENSIVE WAR, and its alternate history, if Ethiopia can get a big bad army within 10 years whle not having modern tech before hand, then Italy can bulk up its.military quite easily too. (DeanSims: Talk) 02:51, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

This is where I state you are wrong. I can do it because I have both a reason and historical proof that it can and needs to be done. The Ethiopians in real life did it to keep order. Plus, I have a load of ethnic groups that were demanding it to begin with. Italy however, cannot since there is no major request for such a governmental divide. As for Ethiopia, unlike Italy, my nation was in real life seeking out any and every way to modernize. Italy had no drive to do so, and at the beginning of WWII, your nation was more concerned with using the technology it had rather than trying to aquire new technologies. This is also not to mention the fact that after being united, the Italians in real life don't want to be divided, as they are more united than Ethiopia. The Ethiopians hate each other, but realise they need to remain together, hence the creation of the self-governing regions that replaced the provinces in 1995.

Also, Italy was already modern, but lacked the ability to use the technologies it had. Ethiopia was already seeking out ways to modernize, but was invaded before it could, as was evidenced by the Emperor ordering hundreds of thousands of weapons, uniforms, and munitions, building factories everywhere, and extending electricity where he could. Since you didn't invade Ethiopia when it was modernizing, and instead helped me, you sped up an already swift process of modernization, which was further increased by Japan's aid as well. So I am both a very modern and dangerous nation, as proven by your recent defeat despite the aid of Sweden and Japan and all of your vassal states. Boo freakin' yah. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 03:06, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Also, you nuking Germany is implausible as Germany was always more powerful than you, and defended your nation for you in OTL and ATL. The concept of you attacking Germany, a world superpower, is both impossible and suicidial. I can beat you because I did twice in real life, and again in the game. Your not as hot as you think you are. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 03:14, January 31, 2013 (UTC) Dont care, im dividing like you did, and Sweden nuked Germany ladt turn 5 times, you dont just shrug that off. Make you a deal Ethiopia, we return to pre-war borders and Italy gives you technology for the nuke in return for a non gression pact and defensive alliance. (DeanSims: Talk) 03:28, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think you understand. Ethiopia can divide because it has been done in real life because the people wanted it. Italy cannot be divided because the people don't want it. You'd be stomping on everything achieved by Italy's unifiers, and that wouldn't go over well with the Italian people. And I'm not returning to pre-war borders. I can just make the bomb myself, which I'm close to doing already, and Germany is still too powerful regardless of whether or not you nuke them. But at this point, I honestly don't care anymore. You want to destroy your nation, fine. But don't drag Ethiopia down with you. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 03:43, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

'''Denmark supports Italy. We're simply against Germany. We have nukes also. Look, Hamburg (twice), Dresden, Potsdam and Munich were all nuked. If Germany invade us, we're nuking Frankfurt and, seriously, Berlin. And on the Allies side (Italy), there's at least Sweden, Italy, Japan & the US having nukes, not counting that I am having nukes & against Germany. With so many nukes, the Allies is now able to destroy the whole Germany in 1 month, if we want. Regards, Laptop Zombie 11:24, January 31, 2013 (UTC)'''

I don't think you understand the concept that Germany simply beats you at everything. If they had a mind too, they could take out your tiny nation within days in a single algorithim. And this makes no sense at all to begin with. I just can't understand you all anymore. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 15:51, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Okay this is just ridiculous. Deansims is obviously doing this so he can beat anyone he likes in an algorithm. It's incredulous that he could believe that Italy and his microrepublics could beat Germany and its vassals. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 20:13, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * For once, I will shockingly side with Dean. Ethiopia doing this was total bullcrap, so if you shall let Viva run loose with that, Dean should have the same privilege. But the ones in Central Italy, I admit, should not be there. I will remove some of them. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">           [[Image:Regen Flag.png|25px|link=User:Scrawland Scribblescratch]]    <span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:5px;padding-top:5px;-webkit-border-radius: 36px 36px;-moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px;-webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#E5E4E2 45%, #282828 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(black,#000000 45%, #282828 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px;"> <font color="#000000" face="Harrington" title="Profile"> ♒  <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  20:23, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Also Denmark you were supposed to finish in 1952... PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 20:15, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Ethiopia did that to beat me, so Ill do that to beat you. Also, Italy gives nukes to Denmark. (DeanSims: Talk) 20:15, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Viva, I'm tired of this shite. Every single time I try to sit down and just enjoy a map game, you have to come and b**** about something. PM, PMII, AvARe, TEvsCP, BFERR, the list goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on. Germany can never take out Denmar because I will always side with Denmark and bring my global empire into the fight. I can nuke the crap out of you and Germany at the same time, and with my allies we can do it several times over. Italy has not suffered a defeat since Fall Gelb and is today the fifth most foremost nation in Europe and seventh in the world, while you rank below the following list:

Sweden, Germany, USA, UK, USSR, Japan, Italy, Spain, France, Denmark, Canada, Australia, the CoLA and several other states.

With most of these major powers and their vassals and stuff against you and/or Germany, you can fall any of day of the week.

Just do the world a favor one day, understand your self bias-ness towards your own country, and realize that you are wrong.

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Hilarious. Coming from the worst mod I've ever had the displeasure of dealing with. Scraw, you refuse to read anything anyone ever tells you to read when it prove that not only are you wrong, but your completely biased toward your nations. You did this with the United States and Sweden, plus all of you god-modded alien nations which no one else could fight. You complained about the physics of a spaceship built by an advanced alien species, while denouncing anyone who called you out on you equally unrealistic planet-destroying warships. Your self-absorbed talking down to anyone else who isn't a mod. Tried to get AP removed as the mod of PMII accusing him of abusing his power, when he did not, while you've godmodded Sweden into a superpower. Sweden has a tiny, tiny, tiny population, while Ethiopia's is literally ten times bigger. I've got the same amount of tech as you, and a much larger military. Both facts. Based only on the population and GDP per capita alone, I would make more money than you, period, regardless of how much my people make. Anyone with half a brain would get that. You have no global empire. You control Scadinavia and the Baltic States. That ain't global. Germany has more nukes and more men, and the largest industrial base in Europe. You've got some mountains, snow, and a few ships at best.

I can read through each game the two of us have been in, and while I try to make sense of the matter, you rage, and rage, and rage, and rage. You ignore anyone who tries to tell you your wrong, and you complain about everything. I make the statement that a great general can come from any nation, and you take it as me saying Liberia can defeat France. Any retard could reason that would never happen, except you. I played PM for a few turns, and never interacted because it was too late to down anything. First lie. In AvA Revolutions, Turkey (a regional power OTL-wise), had nukes, technology, soldiers, money, and power, yet you refused to accept that fact despite 40 years of me making a strong nation stronger. You made the issue a problem. Not me. Second lie. When I started playing PMII, I was under the impression that someone else did the algorithims because I didn't know about the rules. I also never read about any NPC bonuses after I read the rules. And I never read of anything saying I had to stick with a certain nation even after it was f***in' annexed! Your the one who whined about those issues, not me. Third lie. When nobody else is complaining about it, your the one who makes it a problem. Turkey couldn't drop nukes where ever it wanted, but for some retarded reason, the United States could. Bias.

I don't enjoy fighting. I like to play games. I don't like having to deal with you and your one-sided "I'm automatically better than everybody" point of view. You make everything a problem when it wasn't. I'm done. Sweden was weak during WWII, and had to give Germany raw minerals in exchange for remaining neutral. That doesn't sound like a global power to me. You have, and always will be wrong. And more proof you can't read is the fact that many times I have admitted when I was wrong. But I'm sure that wouldn't do well for your argument, like your statement I was a problem in PM, a game I only played for two turns. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 20:42, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

ok, that was long and quite prettily worded, wish I coul;d do that for school essays, it would be great. But we dont need to fight so much, everyone just chill and eat a taco! (DeanSims: Talk) 20:45, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

I try Dean. I really do. But Scraw. I just can't anymore. I can't. And really Dean, your dividing a nation that didn't want to be divided. Your asking for civil war. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 20:49, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

All that vs. a few occasional sentences from me. Rage? At least I don't assault people, only their actions.

Calling a person a retard is vastly different than calling what someone does stupid or anything like that.

At least I dis people in a more civil manner.

Also, no one would be fighting if you weren't such an instigator, and do not tell me that the following passages of text did not instigate arguments:

<p style="margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em;">"''They do count Dean. As you can see that I gave them the same status as British dominions to resolve issues that plauged Ethiopia ATL and OTL over the issue of ethnicity. The Oromo, Amhara, and Tigray are at each others throats, and just as Ethiopia did in 1954 with Eritrea, I gave them nation-status within the wider Ethiopian empire so as to give them so time to cool down. They have militaries, governments, and status as nations, just like Eritrea in the federation with Ethiopia until Ethiopia annexed it starting the Eritrean War of Independence. This is the result of research when you actually do the research. So, I get Eritrea because my dominions do count. And Scraw, use sententences like the rest of us. As for you Dean, I have a navy large enough to move troops to other regions. Even though invading Italy is beyond my desires or motives, I can still fight you. And as this and the last algorithim have shown, Italy is a crap nation. It was in real life, and it still is in alternate history. Also, I'm adding Ethiopia's support for Germany right now. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 02:20, January 31, 2013 (UTC)''"

"Also, if you read the current breakdown of the Ethiopia nation in OTL, they replaced the provicial system with a self-governing system, which critics have claimed are too similar to the South African "bantustans", which if you look up, were self-governing nations South Africa planned on releasing, but never recieved international recognition, forcing them to reunite with South Africa. So let's get this clear right now. My "provinces" aren't provinces. Not in ATL or OTL. In this ATL, they are equal to the British dominions (like New Zealand, Austraila, and Canada before their release). Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 02:25, January 31, 2013 (UTC)"

These are just samples. No on enjoys long paragraphs of text, and fewer people have the time to go through them. Writing one long paragraph results in another long paragraphs, and the paragraphs go on and on and on until someone decides to cut the shite, get to the point, and shut up about it. I like hanging out with people who are chill. Not people like you who have little to no people skills and do not want to leave a fight every now and then. I hate fighting with you--or even anybody; Dean, Pita, AP, Fed, Crim, Enc, XX, anybody--but everyone except you knows when to pick their fights. This is not a fight anyone is interested in having, and certainly not one where everything ends all jolly and happy.

Dean strikes right once again - calm your damn mind down and come back when you feel good. Flame wars are no fun for anyone. But sometimes you have to fight them. This is not one of those times.

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Also I have a large history online and IRL of qwfrhdgndgevbfdhgjerbfw-ing against unfounded allegations, so I strongly suggest that we both step off the plate. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  21:06, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

I never recall calling you retarded. And you used the same wording in before, so you've got nothing to complain about. Now you've been extremely uncivil in the past, so don't try acting nice now when you were nothing of the sort in the past. I don't instigate. When I see something wrong, I say something. My "insults" prompted by something stupid said before them. I don't start fights when I don't have too. I'm not good with compressing my statements so quite. And your examples aren't me starting arguments. Those are my statements of actual facts that explain the actions I made in the game. So far all you've done is re-explain why Ethiopia can establish its own dominions, and why Italy cannot. Likewise, nobody has time to wade through your insults of their actions. And as I've made clear too many times to repeat, I don't like having to fight over non-sense. As for you last comment, same here. I hear your allegations, and I'll rise you one too. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 21:25, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Now, back to the point. How is it that Pita, our head mod, tells you that Ethiopia defeated Italy and took Eritrea, yet you refuse to acknowledge that leadership you fall under, and tell Dean that his conquest (done with a poorly made algorithim), is legit? If anything, Italy should have been destroyed already given the fact the Ethiopians and German outnumber it completely, and even with DITO, it would have lost. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 21:29, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Dude, it doesn't matter...it's not like you can take any land from Italy anyways...why even bother?

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Eritrea. I want Eritrea. I took it in the algorithim, so I want Eritrea. And I do have a navy capable of transporting troops to other parts of the world like any other major navy. Besides, I don't want anything from mainland Italy anyway. I didn;t even want to fight them. Dean just invaded because I woudn't kiss up to him. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 21:33, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

dont make me laugh, yoouve been crushed by your own invention, and now your almost fully occupied by DITO except for a little corner in Ethiopia. Youve lost, adn youve been nuked. (DeanSims: Talk) 21:37, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

No, I've been "crushed" by your inability to accept defeat. When I beat you in the last algorithim, your response was more along the lines of "I can't lose, so I'll make 20 republics to cheat my way to victory". I don't care anymore anyway. The game has slipped down the slippery slope of sillyness now. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 23:05, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Denmark
How did Denmark get nukes in two years? Can someone explain this to me? PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Finest | Ave Imperator!) 21:20, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

It's actually supposed to be four years, meaning 1949...

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Italy gave them nukes (DeanSims: Talk) 21:24, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Srawland told me that with Swedish help, I can have nukes in 1946 on my talk page. Regards, Laptop Zombie 09:57, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Imperial Decree
I, PitaKang, the God Emperor of AvA, declares that nation-splitting such as Ethiopia or Italy is now not allowed. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 00:07, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

I, the Scraw Almighty, the Norris Tsar of AvA, second this motion and ratify it into reality.

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Aye me lord. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 03:48, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

(You forgot the "s"!)

YOU SHALL PAY, MORTAL!

(Just kidding.)

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That have no effect on those splits. Because the rule only affects 1946.5 and beyond, after you declared. Regards, Laptop Zombie 13:25, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Say what? You're wrong. Ethiopia and Italy have been reconned. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  23:14, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Italy and Spain
They're going crazy on nuclear weapons. Spain sells some to South Africa. Italy state they give it to Denmark (which they never did, we've got that with Swedish help), Albania and Great Britain. This thing is simply not fair. Also, what happens when a nation have nuclear weapons and doesn't know how to use it? That doesn't help at all.

Regards, Laptop Zombie 13:40, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Well South Africa had nukes in real life, so we were going to get them one way or another to be honest. And I don't believe any nation would get nukes and not know how to use them. Much like them getting a tank they don't know how to drive. This are national governments. If they want to find out how to do something, then by Jingo, they will. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 15:05, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

South Africa will get them more or less around OTL. Italy does not currently have the resources to make all these nukes; they only have a few right now. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  23:13, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Makes perfect sense to me. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:15, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

South Africa

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical: +2
 * Strength: South Africa (L +4), South West Africa (MV +2), Buntustan Republics (MV 2*20(+40)) = 46
 * Motive: +3
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +6
 * 15:39
 * 1*5*3*9=135
 * 135/1722=0.078397212543554
 * 0.078397212543554*pi=0.2461672473867596
 * 0.2461672473867596
 * Total: 66

Portuguese South Africa

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical: +1
 * Strength: Portugal (L +4), Mozambique (MV +2), Angola (MV +2)
 * Motive: +5
 * Morale: -2
 * Economy:+1
 * Chance: +4
 * Total: 22

Result
South Africa conquers Angola and Mozambique. Portuguese holdings in Africa slashed dramatically.

Add in all 11 Italian nations.

Don't need to go that far. The fighting is over. I got what I wanted, I don't see the need for the overkill. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 21:57, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

New Canadian Flag
Ok so i cant decide wether or not i should stick with my current flag or adopt a new one.

Current Ideas:





Your Input is appreciated. OreoToast555 23:45, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

I like the new one.The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:56, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Which One?

I like the new one. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 19:15, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

I like the new one too, though it screams "Scandanavian Republic of Canada". XD No seriously, I like the new flag, you should go with it. Stewdio333 (talk) 05:15, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

New one. It'll make relations with Denmark and Sweden more intimate. At least I feel better cooperating with another Scandinavian nations, also it helps you improve relations with Sweden. Regards, Laptop Zombie 13:32, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Flag has been adopted!

Nuke Issue
Okay, I have to say something about this now. The US and USSR have to step in at some point. Everybody and their mother is reaching for a nuke, and the smallest and most unlikely nations are getting them within years of each other. Its getting out of control, and I feel that the mods have to do something about it. Please. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 04:53, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Nuclear proliferation has gone mad!The River Nile-2 (talk) 18:41, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

It's the Cold War era games that get everyone nuclear weapon crazy. We seriously need to stop some of these people. Italy is a stretch at best. Saudi Arabia? You've got to be kidding me.AP (talk) 06:51, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

We will not have a US-USSR Cold War. Probably Sweden-America-Germany...

Other than that, no one can get nukes unless they had them OTL, with reasonable exceptions.

<span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  07:33, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sweden, Scraw? Really? Flag of the Hurian Federation.png Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 17:34, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * As I said in other games, an unlikely nation can arise a superpower if you play your nation right, which is what Scraw did. Enclavehunter (talk) 19:02, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Not to mention that I actually fought in World War II, originally as a backup, then using this backup to conquer Norway and the Baltics and then developed the first nukes and trashed Central Germany.
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Denmark, Australia & Canada cooperating. Denmark already had it, so Canada & Australia should receive as well. Regards, Laptop Zombie 10:08, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Australia will help alies build them if the world goes nuke crazy, but will not have or use any of it's own, beyond 3 1kt bombs bought in from outside for a post-nuking last stand. For our test ATL sites see OTL Woomera_Test_Range and British_nuclear_tests_at_Maralinga.The River Nile-2 (talk) 18:32, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

I (Saudi Arabia) do not search to developp a super weapon of any sort, just the civilian tech.Rdv65 (talk) 18:59, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Look, what everyone forgets is that in real life, Sweden and South Africa almost had nuclear weapons, so it's not that far of a stretch for Sweden to be a nuclear power in this game. Hell, today, Israel and North Korea have nuclear weapons, despite their small sizes (and in the case of North Korea, a crappy economy.) It's only a problem, if we suddenly see Luxembourg and Iceland develop nuclear weapons, smaller countries can build nukes if they want, but it might take a while. Stewdio333 (talk) 21:54, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

In real life, South Africa really got nuclear weapons, and then disarmed them. Regards, Laptop Zombie 02:01, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Yup. They made six of them, but disarmed them the same year apartheid ended. Kind of a race thing when you read about it. :/ Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 02:22, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Three minor 1kt nukes are developed as a Aussie post-nuclear war last stand weapon, but they will take a year to build.The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:54, February 3, 2013 (UTC)