User talk:Mitro

Curse of the Workers
http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Curse_of_the_Workers - New timeline, please check and comment. Contributions at the talk page and comments will be appreciated. -- MC Prank 19:44, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

1983 Doomsday
A comment: you may wish to read "Folk of the Fringe", a novel by Orson Scott Card dealing with the aftermath of a similar nuclear exchange. Perhaps it can give you ideas if you wish to flesh out the rest of the remains of the USA. --Louisiannan 19:01, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Utah
We should collaborate on the direction your folks are going to travel, in light of what I'm developing in Utah. I'll push to get that completed soon so you can orchestrate your voyage of discovery accordingly. Louisiannan 18:07, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Canada
i am doing a new version of canada map, let my some minutes--Fero 20:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello
Hello,

I read your comments regarding my Fall Grün alternative history. I am happy that you enjoyed it, as it is the project I have spent most time on. I have just found some more information which I will include when I have worked it out.

It is good to see that there are others that share my views of alternative history based on realism, authenticity and historical accuracy (as far as this genre allows it). As mentioned, I spent months researching for my Fall Grün and Lithuanian invasion of Poland (1939) scenarios, and similarily I have used much resarch on my Russo-Norwegian War scenario (currently on hold of several reasons) and my planned Swedish-Norwegian War of 1905 scenario. These are my pride; especially as these are rather time-limited, and thus have to rely more on the historical aspects.

In other projects I work on, which doesn't have a time limit (and thus the focus is on the entertaining side - like a novel) I also focus on including as much historical information as possible.

Your suggestion for Featured Alternative History sounds interesting. While many alternative histories here are interesting, not everyone of them are plausible (at least in my eyes -but that is my subjective opinion), neutrality (especially if it is a modern althist). I myself contributes I am happy to volunteer as a FAH Reviwer - I was thinking if my Fall Grün qualified to those standards when reading them.

Anyway, if you have any recommendations for improving my alternative history (here I specifically refer to Fall Grün) feel free to contact me. I have as mentioned found some new information, and I have thought about listing all the sources I used for the historical aspects of it.

Regards, Realismadder 20:30, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Redundancy
I hope you don't take either of our comments as jabs at you -- they're not meant that way in the least. --Louisiannan 20:54, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

No World War ATL
Might it be called Peaceful Century? Or -- since many refer to the 20th as the American Century...whatever country steps to the fore? Just some thoughts to throw in the mix as you decide. --Louisiannan 21:25, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Capital Names
I just saw your edit of placing "New" over Athens and Constantinople. However was it you that suggested to ommitt the "New"s from the names? I'd just like your advice on whether to keep or get rid of the word "New". Mr.Xeight 22:08, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Doomsday Canada
Hey Mitro, could you read over the History section of the article and make sure it's consistant with the rest of the TL? I'm asking you because you're the other one who's been contributing to it. Thanks. DarthEinstein 20:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again. Also, how widely known do you think Saguenay is outside the Canada Remainder Provinces? I was thinking that it would not be well known, as it is not connected to the sea and its only neighbours are Canada and the anarchic south. And sure, I'll create a political party table. I was also thinking that Nouveau-Quebec might be renamed sometime in the 90s or 00s, to distinguish themselves from Quebec proper. 70.26.58.103 22:28, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

That was me.^^ DarthEinstein 22:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

New Britain
I've altered the History a tad. If you could check through and tell me any alterations I should make on the talk page I would be much obliged. Bob 14:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I know many of my ideas have been very far fetched. I just can't hold my Britishness back. I still want a New Britain but I was wondering whether you wanted to work with me on it to make it more realistic. Bob 19:41, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Is there anything left to change on New Britain itself? Bob 18:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I've made some detail about the evacuation. I would be honoured to have your opinion. Bob 19:51, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Its preciely what I pictured but couldn't put into words. Surely we are ready to get this boosted to canon! Bob 10:12, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Washingtonian Empire
Well! It's news to me that I had been sysopped. I probably would never have known. That page looks only about a day old. I'll wait a day or two to see if the writer has any interest in discussing it, but then I'll go ahead. Benkarnell 21:27, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

You're getting to be a real killjoy, aren't you? --Yankovic270 05:07, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Wikibreak
I understand full-well the need for a break now and again. Thank you for showing the maturity to know that a "scream-fest" is less than productive. Louisiannan 14:39, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Washungton Emppire
this article has been redirected to Virginian Empire (1983: Doomsday)

Fifth Anglo-American War New British state name
Which is your favourite out of; Britannia Secundus, New Britain, New Albion, Nova Britannia, Britain II, American/Canadian Britain, Albion, Albionoria, Borealia, Cabotia, Colonia, Efisga, Laurentia, Mesopelagia, Norland, Superior, Tuponia, Transatlantica, Ursalia, Vesperia, Victorialand, Columbia or simply Britain Bob 16:51, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

India edits
My bad my lil bro was typing on the computer randomly while I was away. Thanks for fixing it.

Spelling and Grammar
Mitro, thanks for your help with that on Viva California -- I tend to write on the trailing edge of the English language -- venge is actually a correct usage, but it's bordering on archaic. I'll leave your change, since it more modernised. I guess that means I'm getting old? Ha! Louisiannan 18:57, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Vandal Blocking.
Mitro,

You should be able to block the guy for now. If you don't abuse your temporary privilege rights, they may just stick... Louisiannan 21:39, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Republic of Superior
Mitro, can read this article over and tell me what you think of it? I've already put a lot of work into it, but I want to make sure that is not going to conflict with other work before I continue. Thanks. Lahbas

Radiation and Fallout were what I was most afraid of, as the region the Republic would be situated in would be totally affected, no area untouched. I actually went to the website of the Homeland Security of the US and looked at the effects of nuclear explosions, mainly in terms of fallout. What made me choose the Air Burst method was that it was cleaner and more destructive, while no spewing fallout outside of the main explosion zone. A surface explosion does exactly that, and the fallout would be so deadly, just about everybody would be dead on the Peninsula. Thermonuclear Weapons I have are "cleaner" and do not generate the level of fallout found in the older designs. As for your other questions:

1) I couldn't really tell. Based on the estimated strength of the nuke, I tracked the distance and then compared it to the damage report on the Homeland Security Website. Damage would have been between Moderate to Severe; however, only residences such as small homes would have actually been destroyed. Considering the distance, I would say most of the damage could have been repaired within a year, especially with help from the entire Peninsula.

2) As I said above, radiation is no longer a mmajor factor in the early years except in the immediate strike zone. However, if there are targets in Wisconsion and Minnesota that I do not know about, then that could change things based on distance.

3) Large, and I mean LARGE. I basically soaked up all the refugees who could not get across the Great Lakes by boat, as many did in the first couple months. Tales of a "Safe Haven" in the North basically drive refugees there. Basically imagine some of the UN camps in Darfur or Chad, and cram them into a place like Martha's Vineyard, with all the people already on the island. That's Mackinaw.

4) Its not that it is autonomous, but it is given a great deal of freedom due to remaining problems with communications, and the need to protect the Republic. At the same time, weak communications can be seen as a plus, as it prevents a coordinated coup. A coup in general is unlikely, though, as citizens of Superior still largely follow the traditions of OTL Americans, and SRA Soldiers are sworn to protect the Republic and its People, not the President.

About that thing with contact, some other guy somehow added that in. I decided to leave it as it for the time being, because I have no idea as to how they will come in contact. I might possibly have them send another expedition east and meet up with Aroostook or any other nations that may pop up there, but we'll see. Lahbas 01:37, 10 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Quick question. If you look closely at the flag for the Republic, you’ll notice that there is what looks like a rouge “R”. What I had tried to do was put the name of the nation in latin above the flag, and then the state motto below. However, when the flag loads on the forum, something happens and they move off the page. No idea why. Also, I might include a better map of Superior later, as they do have a number enclaves around the Great Lakes, similar to the Greeks around the Mediterranean. However, I want the map to be an SVG file so that I can better manipulate it. Lahbas 02:09, 10 August 2009 (UTC)


 * We just hit a roadblock on Aroostook. Look up a Loring Air Force Base, and see what you can make of it. I have my assumptions, but it really up to you. Lahbas 05:06, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Roundel V Banner
Mitro, weren't we going to do a roundel for the featured articles? I thought we'd talked about going that way. Am I confused? Louisiannan 15:07, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I like the idea of the banner while it is actually the featured alt-history, but I think that the little roundel would be good to show that it is one of the featured ones when it's not actually featured on the main page, kind of like the gold-star on featured articles on Wikipedia. What do you think? Louisiannan 16:01, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Delete
Hi, I was just wondering if you could delete The War on Terror (The Black Ages) for me, i dno if this is the place to ask but delete this post after you deleted the topic if you want, thanks

India
thanks man, I'm on it.

by the way dude, will it be ok if I re-create the Republic of India, this time as a federal, semi-presidential republic by the way I'm Indian u Russian?

man what about some new timeline in which Trotsky succeeded Lenin as the leader of the USSR, give me some leads on that stuff and we'll work on it together

, Republic of Superior,

 * I realize that positioning any kind of settlement in the area of former Chicago is problematic, but I have done this for a number of reasons. They city itself has been largely abandoned for the first five years after Doomsday, with only a few refugees here and there that remain. What results in the repopulation of the area is, as I have stated, the relative lawlessness, and danger, of living within the countryside, due to numerous factors that really do not require explanation. Farmland is created near the city or within its suburbs (demolishing of useless residence and such), which can easily be guarded against raids. Failure to create any sort of successful government results in the creation of the mobs, who, while providing security for those under their control, they at the same time attack the land of other mobs.

Basically, Chicago loads up as a refugee center, the same as Mackinaw did within the Republic of Superior, appearing as a place safe from the countless dangers outside of the urban areas. That idea crumbled by 1989 when the mob wars started, after which the population began a continuous, if slow, decline. I have looked at other areas, but Chicago seems the best location, due it being right on the shore of the Great Lakes, allowing for some period of food collection before farmland is fully developed. At the same time, a settlement in Wisconsin would not exist, as many would try to then move into the Republic of Superior, which would only be a short distance away. Refugee camps are instead the dominate settlement.

Also, I heard something about your relatives possibly trying to enter around the area where Superior is situated. If you desired, they could be considered honorary citizens of the Republic of Superior, that is, if they would reach it. Lahbas 01:02, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I have finished the article dealing with the Republic of Superior, or at least the rough portion of it. I have also begun to delve deeper into its politics, economy, military, etc. What I would like to know is if you knew where I could find a good map of the Great Lakes region that I could edit with Inkscape, preferably an SVG file. Also, I wrote a rough article on the RSA Special forces, known as the Republican Guard. However, I could not add in an info-bar for some reason, and it kept coming up as Polish Free State, while messing up the rest of the article. Anyway, tell me what you think of the rough version.

On a smaller note, is it possible it could be graduated?

I would like to continue discussion regarding the Republic of Lincoln, and the “Republic” of Thunder Bay. Thunder Bay I am actually more problematic with, as I have begun to envision Leppe as a power-hungry demagogue, refusing to give up power for any reason, unless it can be made to appear it has transferred. I feel bad in particular for the officer who is right now portraying him. He is to be made a member of the Heritage Front, while also having Fascist tendencies.

The Republic of Lincoln is just as problematic. Regarding the exact nature in how the city is destroyed is the important factor. Like what we did with K.I. Sawyer Air Force Base, there is a decision between if we are using Air Blasts or Surface Blasts. In all cases, Air Blasts are more destructive, but do not cause the resulting fallout, while Surface Blasts do not cause as much destruction, but throw up now radioactive material into the air, resulting in fallout. It is obvious that Chicago is hit, but how is the major point. An ICBM is the obvious use, and should hit the city, resulting in an Air Blast. No fallout, but a large part of the city is in ruins. What we have to decide upon, however, is if the Soviet Bomber carrying it nuclear payload is able to make it past the American Air Defenses, and drop the nuke upon Chicago. If it doesn’t make it, the scenario is plausible, since fallout would be less apparent, and disappear quicker with only Air Blasts, allowing for the current timeframe. Still, I would like your opinion. Lahbas 06:43, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * All right, you guys win. I looked at Madison Wisconsin, and it is not a terrible location, rather small to be hit by a Soviet nuclear weapon, while also surrounded by land that should be largely unaffected by fallout, at least to the east. The problem is how the Republic of Superior is going to find it, though I could even create a fourth RSREF deployment sent to search Russ Feingold’s former home-state. The article at large would not have to be changed, but the Republic of Lincoln would die, at least until another suitable settlement in former Illinois can be found. As I said before, do you want your relatives to be heavily involved in the Republic of Superior? Or would you prefer that they be in this new creation in Wisconsin? Lahbas 17:12, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, I have moved it to Wisconsin, though we could have something similar also set up somewhere in Illinois, just to save the Republic of Lincoln. The Republic of Superior page is almost entirely done except for the flag, the map, and the military articles. Those could not be done because I managed to lose my mouse, or one of my relatives “borrowed” it. Either way, it is impossible to manipulate SVG files without a mouse. Tell me what you think, and what edges I should polish besides the ones I have already described. Lahbas 04:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Cosmonauts in Space During Doomsday

 * Can you give your penny thought on this issue? The discussion is currently ongoing on the 1983 talk page. Lahbas 02:08, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I think they would stsy put becuse risking going back would see them burn up or die from radiation sickness but i think they would re establish contact with earth in time if and when technology allowed earth might attempt a rescue mission --Owen1983 16:19, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Any thoughts at all? There is no way to ensure equality, without taking away equality. 23:58, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Vanuatu

 * I thought the country was already canon, in the condition other canonized countries like Assyria, Kurdistan, etc. Because the Australian Commonwealth is already deeply invested into it. Apparently I was wrong. Anyway, I cannot continue the history of the country well, since I am still concentrating largely within the scope of the America’s, though be the looks of it, it is possible that a military government could have come about by means of a coup. Such a thing was attempted back in the 90’s. There is no way to ensure equality, without taking away equality. 23:58, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Relatives in the Midwest?

 * I overheard that you might have possibly had family relatively close to the Republic of Superior, or Wisconsin. If you wanted, the could be granted honorary citizenship, which could be made as a new section with the Republic's article. That is, if you think they would be able to make it, or even go there for that matter. Thought it would be an interesting idea that could be implemented. Wont' work for me though, as every branch of my family would be turned to dust. :) There is no way to ensure equality, without taking away equality. 00:03, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Malta
Wouldn't Malta be destroyed by a Soviet nuclear attack on Doomsday?

Reply from Lahbas

 * Sorry Mitro, you caught me in the middle of a post I meant to write to you, but was on the wrong page.

In regards to Yugoslavia, and the Soviet war plans, the link is here:

(http://techconex.com/tcblog/2008/04/05/mapping-world-war-iii-soviet-global-invasion-routes/)

This is by far the largest strategic scoping I have ever seen, though Soviet Command apparently though it could be done. The original post I had is below.

Good point about Malta, as I thought they were still a port for the Royal Navy at the time. To many war games in my head were Malta forms the launching pad for any operations in the Mediterranean Sea. At the same time, the Soviet Union could still nuke the island, in fear of a forced NATO presence there.

In regards to your family, if they were in Chicago itself, I would take it they died. If they were outside at the time of the war, than they would have survived the initial effects. I think it would be cool though to form sections within the nations for honorary citizens (relatives of editors, and possibly editors themselves, who could have survived Doomsday), just as a bit of fun. The hard part would be to determine who was where on that day, after that it is simple. There is no way to ensure equality, without taking away equality. 19:58, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I was not around when the discussion took place, though I have seen it. I randomly stumbled across the article a while back, and only remembered it recently. There is no way to ensure equality, without taking away equality. 20:05, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Re:Naming Conventions
Thank you sir for the reminder. I was also inquiring as to how I can change any articles the titles of any articles I may have forgotten to name correctly. If you could please tell me how to do so that would be great. Thanks!

All the best

Re: Recent articles
Don't worry about it being perceived as "attacking" my work, I appreciate the question. They are all in their own way related to the Delay TL as some represent the sheer resentment of the Democratic party after scandals. Ted Kennedy got a profile because in this TL and in our universe he has been a champion of Liberal causes and he also recently passed away. All of these politicians at some time or another have or will play a role in the President Delay TL GOPZACK 02:24, September 2, 2009 (UTC) GOPZACK 23:01, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Virginia
I have finished the reccomended changes to the Virginian Republic (1983-Doomsday) aticle. Feel free to check my alterations. See if they are any good. --Yankovic270 13:32, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Gratitude
Thank you so very much for your help. Your changes have helped give a needed realism to the the article, which I relucantly admit I was unable to give. --Yankovic270 01:18, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Franz's World
Hey, Mitro! Again I have to thank you for giving me virtually no restriction on FW's Greece, I love it. But I must ask; would you be in the mood for making a map of 2009 FW so as I can get a good scope on the political situation in the world? I was also wondering if there would be anything nearly analogous to WWII so as Greece could capture and "mandate" a colony of its own. Mr.Xeight 18:09, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

I noticed...
You know, Mitro, if you keep up your efficiency and speed at adjusting things, you're going to force me to promote you to the Brass Office of Vice-Admiralty of the Continuum. Louisiannan 18:05, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry!
I accidentally clicked "rollback" when I meant to click on the Fuhrer is Dead. I'm so sorry! Mr.Xeight 23:51, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * You can just edit the older version of the page to restore it... Louisiannan 15:42, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Victoria
I'm not exactly a scholer - but I'll take a look at it anyway. --DarthEinstein 16:34, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Canada-Saguenay War
New Britain is friendly with Canada and could get into the war. Would that work? Bob 17:01, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Also Virginia and Superior are on Sanguenay's side, and they have the atvantage of actually being local powers in North America. And New Britain didn't exactly get the best piece of the Commonwealth available. The Celtic Alliance got it. --Yankovic270 18:45, September 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * I must object to New Britain participating in this war. The fact that it occupies KwaXhosa and gives monetary support to the Zulu royalists should already be vastly over-stretching what meagre resources it has, making that it is in no position to join in an intercontinental war. --Karsten&#160;vK (talk) 11:34, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Ok you win. I am going to downgrade Virginian involvement to volunteers and maybe supplies (though very, very rarely) --Yankovic270 02:12, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

New Britain no longer occupies KwaXhosa, though the threat of attack remains. Bob 19:26, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't we leave the infobox with something to the effect of "Data as estimated the day of Doomsday"? What do you think? Louisiannan 16:10, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

I am adding some data these days with articles about Spain and its surroundings, Rif Republic and other names of figures are from the OTL, since the structure of the Spanish army has changed much since 1983 until now I find it difficult to get documentation I beg patience.Tristanbreiker 14:29, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

War
I agree that things seem to be getting a bit out of control. I'm fine with being final arbitrator. I may sometimes not be available on weekends though, which means busy Mondays for me. :) --DarthEinstein 23:30, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

thanks
Thanks! 19:07, September 16, 2009 (UTC)HAD

New Changes
How did you like my new changes to Virginia? How long would it take to double in size with the new accelerated population growth? I'm thinking about making Virginia attempt to be the suceesor state to the CSA. Also, to better facilitate the new imigration policy the port of Norfolk (strangely left untouched by inpact) could and would be reactivated with a minimum of effort. --Yankovic270 01:03, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

I have a couple of different ideas to put instead. If you have any better ones, then let me know. 1. Newport News 2. Hampton Roads Also I will remove refrences to the loose immigration controls. But I'll keep French, Spanish and Indian as languages due to refugees. --Yankovic270 20:23, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

problems editing articles!
HAD here. i have had problems editing articles. talkpages and discussions are fine, but articles are not. any ideas as to why. please answer on my talkpage.--HAD 14:47, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Estado Novo
Remove Estado Novo. I accidentally saved it under that name, when I meant to use it as the template for the various links. I wasn't sure how to remove it though. Lahbas 21:24, September 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * GOD NO!!!!!! Dont' remove that! I mean the page that is an virtual duplicate of the main page with the bar leading to all the links, that is not called Wilt of the Carnation. This is the one I mean (http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Estado_Nova) Lahbas 23:52, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Problems
basically, whenever i try to edit an article (NOT discussions) a bunch of swirling dots appear! --HAD 09:55, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Alcatraz
Have you seen my idea for a nation of tourists on Alcatraz? Can you look at it and give me feedback on it? It doesn't have much yet, but DarthEinstein loves the idea. --Yankovic270 14:51, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

And you have to read my new suggestions. I am not going to give anything away about them. You just have to read and review. --Yankovic270 00:53, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

And I have updated the talkpage on how they are going to be living on Alcatraz. I am not putting a word on the article until we finalize the details first. --Yankovic270 13:23, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

THANKS
Thanks, Mitro.--HAD 08:00, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Thank You For the Information
Thanks very much for the information on signing articles, I appreciate the advice. As a first time contributor I read all the information before starting but was still confused to a degree on a number of areas and sort of stumbled along. If I made any other mistakes, please let me know. I look forward to hearing everyone’s thoughts, yours included, about my articles. --Fxgentleman 18:44, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Saguenay war
To be quite honnest, I find the whole development highly unlikely but since peoples seem to have latched on to this idea, I'd rather let them play with it then me interfering. --Marcpasquin 14:53, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * Given the fact that most of this wikis users appear to be North Americans I had sort of like decided for myself that it would be rather pointless and possible even arrogant if I over-actively started interfering with the timeline's plans for North America. Combined with the fact that the actual conduct of warfare is not quite a field I hold expertise in means that, admittedly, I haven't really been following the plans surrounding the Saguenay war. So please correct me if anything following this is utter nonsense.


 * I would really like it if some more emphasis were put to the reasons for Superior to join the war, they are still not completely clear to me. Regardless of whether one perceives warfare as the failure or as the zenith of diplomacy it seems obvious that there has to be at least some prior diplomacy involved. Now it seems to me that Superior is just added to the story to balance the belligerents. Though I don't object to plot changes for the sake of juicing a story up, I still would really like to see an at least plausible reason for it.


 * I'm afraid that considering the reasons mentioned and a general lack of time that's about all I have to say at the moment when it comes to the war. --Karsten&#160;vK (talk) 19:05, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

HELP!!
Can you help me re-apply the proposal stamp to my version of the Republic of Lincoln? --Yankovic270 00:25, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

NEW Republic of Lincoln
I have two requests:

1. Check up on my changes to the article, and give me a message on my talk page to give your opinion.

2.Upload copies of the flag and CoA of Nebraska

--Yankovic270 03:12, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

I think I am finished with the article. Can you check on my changes? --Yankovic270 18:43, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

USS Victorious
I have changed it BTW your input is welcomed thanks --Owen1983 16:05, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Move content
Hi, this is KLZ. I would like to move the content of "CIVIL WAR ON THIRD REICH" page to "Civil War on Third Reich", and to anulate the CWTR page. It is possible?

Thanks.

--83.59.10.76 16:29, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Delete link
Sorry, Mitro, what I'm want to say was I would like to delete also the link "CIVIL WAR ON THIRD REICH", because I don't want to confuse people.

Thanks again!

Albania/cricket
More an "idea looking for a home": see Forum:Sport and war for a place to repost it if more appropriate. Jackiespeel 14:58, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Population of Superior

 * Is a number between 1.6-1.8 million acceptable? I realize that the major reason behind your decisions are the paths of nuclear fallout, but current patterns suggest that said fallout carried by the winds will actually only clip the area that would be considered Superior proper, mainly affecting only the lower peninsula and Wisconsin. Lahbas 16:31, September 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm fine with 1.5 million. Its close to my estimates, will possibly agreeable to the rest of the group. I'll ask Louis and Ben later. Where are they anyway, in hiatus? Lahbas 17:18, September 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm just concerned about their ability to feed themselves. 1.5 million could be a better population figure -- just make sure it's realistic based on the arable land in the area. Louisiannan 20:54, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Air forces
I can't think of any reason why they couldn't send their bombers and fighters ahead, save political ones. As I am not the expert in their politics, perhaps the creators of those articles could offer more. --DarthEinstein 01:04, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Re: The proposal process
I think we have very different ideas about how proposals should work, then! In my mind, every single page could be expanded significantly at any time. A good example is Samoa. I don't know if I wrote it before or since we started using formal Proposal tags, but it would definitely have been "graduated" long ago, either way. Just the other day I made very big changes to it - mostly government and constitution stuff, but also pieces on the culture, relations with Australia and New Zealand, and quite a bit of political history. And there's lots more I could still add: education, cuisine, language (American or Commonwealth spellings?), the names of the Prime Ministers, major health issues, etc etc etc. And that doesn't even include changes to my prose or spelling, or any images I might want to add. To me, graduation doesn't mean a page is finished, not even close. It means that the basic concept of the country (or whatever) is to be regarded as "true", and the creator can continue to develop the country (or whatever) in the way that he wants. All changes are still open to discussion, of course, but the assumption is that that country is definitely a part of 1983DD, and the author is assumed to be the expert on it.

That's the way I see it, anyway. Benkarnell 19:25, October 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * As a group, we really are still trying to find a good balance between chaotic madness (which we had before we created Proposal tags) and strict central control over content (which, besides being possibly less fun, can turn into a burden for those who have the control). I do feel that we're starting to drift in the direction of the latter right now, as evidenced by the belief that some have expressed that only you (or only an admin) can remove a proposal tag.
 * I think we'll only be trying the impossible if we try to require that substantial changes to existing articles (or concepts) by the designated caretaker get group/admin clearance. If a contributor wants to add pages and pages of material, and it doesn't affect anything outside their borders, I think that can be left entirely to their discretion.  If others read it and object to it, that can be done with normal discussion and collaboration, IMO.  Tagging and re-tagging pages as proposals will quite frankly make too much work for everyone.
 * For changes that do touch on the work of others, I like the approach taken (for example) by Tristan for Galicia. He wants to ad a bit about Galicia and the Celtic Alliance, so he left a message at  to discuss it with Mjdoch.  That might be a good guideline, but I'd personally prefer to not add another Rule.  When an addition touches nearl everybody, like the new South American constitution, it might be nice to drop a note on the main discussion page, but again, I'd rather not have to institute a Rule.
 * Keping things less formal like that would probably lead to some situations where somebody says, "Hey! I just noticed something you wrote six months ago, and I don't like it, can we discuss changes now?" But I don't see that as all bad.  It takes a little decision making power away from the admins.  Our role is (or should be, IMO) facilitators and watcher-overers, not gatekeepers or guardians of the canon.
 * At any rate, the number of pages in the Proposal list has grown insanely large, and from a practical standpoint I think it best not to keep piling on old pages for review. Our little game will start to fee like work!  Benkarnell 21:35, October 9, 2009 (UTC)