Talk:A Different History

Proposals
Put proposals to the A Different History ATL here. Put it outside there too. When it is accepted, it will be taken off this list and the one outside and put in Recent Additions.

United States
A nation profile by me, PitaKang. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 02:36, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

Mexico
A nation profile by BlackSkyEmpire. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 22:55, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

West Nepal
A stub by me. Fed (talk) 00:35, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Mughal Empire
A nation profile by Batmanary 00:56, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

The Empire of the White Falcon ( Kingdom of the Vestars
A nation profile by Alexanders 00:40, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Central Asian Republic
A nation profile byAlexanders 22:06, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Two things:

1. New proposal. .

2. I made a linking template. From now on, in order to make linking easier, you can just type and be done with it. Like this:. Fed (talk) 15:29, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Nation by me. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 00:47, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Pita, in the page it mentions Ecuador... Well, Ecuador is actually part of New Granada. Fed (talk) 00:25, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

A nation by meVegas adict 17:09, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Since one of ADH's main images is Finnish Iwo Jima, here is the Finland page.

Map


What does everyone think? I left off disputed areas, and it's a bit rough. I guessed on some borders Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 01:56, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Beautiful, but there are two/three things:


 * What's the nation in Southern Mexico? If it's the Mayan Empire, then you should put it further east. That's a Nahua land, not a maya one.


 * Mexico is the OTL Empire of Mexico without the OTL Republic of Texas.


 * The Mughal Empire is not disputed land anymore.


 * Tibet is actually Greater Tibet, not the Tibet Autonomous Region.
 * You forgot Italy.
 * You missed the Kingdom of Spain's land ( Aragon and Granada)
 * Persia has a little piece in the southeast that belongs to the Mughals.

Besides that, it's great! Fed (talk) 02:01, March 17, 2011 (UTC)



Well, if you see any problems, feel free to edit it yourself. I'll just tend it. Preferably everyone should add their own country. But guys, please try not to reduce the resolution. It happens way too often. When anyone downloads the map, they should click the image on the image info page, then click again to zoom in, and only then download it, and edit. I'll fix errors tomorrow if I have time. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 03:57, March 17, 2011 (UTC)



Please upload over the original file. Looks good otherwise. As for Spain, I coloured the wrong side of my own border. There is no country on the north side of the border. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 04:21, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

You also need the Republic of Texas, and Mexico should have California too. Oregon should be there also. But besides that, it's awesome! PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 16:16, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Lol. This is a do-it-yourself map. Which means do it yourself. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 19:10, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

When are you goning to ratify the propsoals

When they are complete. So far, Korea (A Different History) is the most complete, so yeah. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 22:22, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

By the way, I'm moving Azéteque or however it is called further south because without that region Mexico isn't Mexico. Fed (talk) 17:54, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

West African Superpower
Any objections to one? PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 22:40, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yes. The West African cultures are much too varied. They were like a hundred states till British colonialism. Without colonialism to conjoin them together, they would have remained that way. A West African state that had enough strength to be a superpower AND to control all of the territory would be too implausible. Fed (talk) 00:07, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Then how about a South or East or Central African Supowerpower? PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 00:27, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Ethiopia.

Swahili

I had an idea for a mega-Buganda to be a competitor in influence to Ethiopia. Fed (talk) 01:07, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Wait, but couldn't a nation like Ghana, or Mali survive until the present day, and be a superpower? PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 01:08, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

If it had control of the world's gold, it might be able to compete with the Inkas and get a leg up that way. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 01:17, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Inkas? You mean the Peru-Bolivian confederation, right? ;) Fed (talk) 01:19, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I thought you were talking about Axis vs. Allies lol. I don't want to see Peru poor and corrupt if I can help it. Yes, it's quite biased but I might as well, considering most timelines on this site favour other countries *coughChilecough* (just kidding). So yeah, I guess I'll put two PODs, one being the success of the Tupac Amaru II movement, and the other being Chile and Argentina failing in the War of the Peruvian-Bolivian confederation. That should set up a reasonably good "Inka Empire," eh? Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 01:32, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes, my Korea (A Different History) page refers to a nuclear armed Peruvian Federation, is that all right with you? Flag_of_South_Korea.pngang- (Talk | Contribs) 01:34, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol, okay. I'll just say people got tired of saying "Peruvian-Bolivian Confederation" and dropped the Bolivian, and then some nationalist movement changed the name permanently. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 01:47, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Kenny, that were exactly the PODS I wanted for the Peruvian-Bolivian Confederation to exist. Also, since New Granada will be Peru's enemy, then can New Granada also have nukes? Fed (talk) 01:49, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm. I don't want too many nuclear weapons states running around, so maybe something like North Korea, where the entire world doesn't want them to have them, but they do, etc,? Flag_of_South_Korea.pngang- (Talk | Contribs) 01:51, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I think the Mughals should have nukes. In fact, what if we shift the power from North America and Europe to Asia and South America? That really changes the whole balance of power dynamic Batmanary 01:53, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Basically every nation has a superpower in this TL. Europe has it's Italy and Finland (which I want to be like the OTL Scandinavian nations, rich and neutral), NA has it's Mexico, SA has it's New Granada and Peru, Asia it's Mughals, Africa it's Ethiopia. That can give way to a several-sided Cold War.
 * Hey, what about if Mexico and New Granada are like North Korea and China in OTL? The pariah state and it's sponsor :) Fed (talk) 01:56, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * And don't forget the Korean empire! Flag_of_South_Korea.pngang- (Talk | Contribs) 01:59, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * And don't forget the Korean empire! Flag_of_South_Korea.pngang- (Talk | Contribs) 01:59, March 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * I have Arakan as a superpower that somehow experienced a miracle and had a lot of power from maybe 1400s to 1800s, but now just sits back and watches while split into a bunch of small countries, like Scandinavia except for the split part. I could never design a socialist state, but I will do my best to incorporate socialism. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 02:01, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Whole Map
I'm making a map of the whole world, I've only made NA so far, how does it look? PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 00:06, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Could you please reduce Texas to it's 1836 non-disputed boundaries (see Mexico map) and give more of the central area of OTL Utah, Arizona, etc. to Mexico?

By the way, I thought Quebec had to exist... Fed (talk) 00:08, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

I did, it's that purple thing over there. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 00:12, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Do you like it better now? PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 00:14, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Oregon is much smaller...and I have plans for Quebec and Ontario, which you gave to Quebec, for some reason;D, so is ti okay if we change that border a bit? Bats

Could you change the Texian border with Mexico to the, instead of the Rio Grande? Fed (talk) 00:17, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

This one better? PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 00:18, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

You still miss the Nueces boundary. Fed (talk) 00:25, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

This one better? PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 00:26, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, thank you. Fed (talk) 00:29, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Wheres the Vestars, and a Chinese State in CaloforinaAlexanders 00:34, March 23, 2011 (UTC)?

There's no Chinese state in California. It's in ALASKA. Fed (talk) 00:38, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

The Light Purple, is what I ask for the Vestars

I don't mean to be unegotiable and I understand that Pita King has pushed for A 35 states of America, but I have also been pushing for plausability.

First off it has been aggred that England would not be free of Scananavia unitl 1503.

Second- It is in a near constant war with Scotland, Wales and remaning Danish Out posts

The Vikings are the only Colional power for 5 centuries,

It is far-fecthed to say that England would still be a saxon nation after years of Norwegian Colonazation, even more far-fetched to say they would have any colonies.

But it is silly to say that England could still claim eastren North America.

If you feel that you cannot agree with this, then we should cast of the vote from the Wiki Editors to resolve this Alexanders 14:57, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Ok Could someone else sort of take over, and do regions, so that it's easier on me? PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 00:30, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

What is the light purple.. the Vestars?Alexanders 02:11, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Quebec Batmanary 02:18, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * This is the agrred-upon map of the world. The light purple was created by me, not Alexanders, and is meant to be Quebec, as it follows the Saint Lawrence. The green is Ontario, and the Dark Purple can be Vestars. (What are the "Vestars"? I googled 'em and a colony or country never showed up. Batmanary 20:42, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Zones
The Vestars is the old nordic name for West,(reffering to viking colonies in North America, as historcaly the first colony was in Le Ans Aux Medaows which I have not changed. I cannot accept the dark prurpleAlexanders 22:08, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Everyone should add their zones of interest until it takes up the whole map. That way we have organization. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 00:41, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Dark Red: Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 00:41, March 23, 2011 (UTC)ADH_Player_Zones.png
 * Sky Blue: Batmanary 01:32, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * My zones of Interests- Britian, Alaska, Eastren North America and BrazilAlexanders 02:12, March 23, 2011 (UTC) (purple)
 * Korean Peninsula, Europe, Middle East Flag_of_South_Korea.pngang- (Talk | Contribs) (Black)

Discussion
Alexanders, keep in mind I will add the borders myself if you don't do it yourself. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 03:29, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Vote
User:Alexanders has a problems with the way things are going. How about we have a vote on it? PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 22:25, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

The Light Purple, is what I ask for the Vestars

I don't mean to be unegotiable and I understand that Pita King has pushed for A 35 states of America, but I have also been pushing for plausability.

First off it has been aggred that England would not be free of Scananavia unitl 1503.

Second- It is in a near constant war with Scotland, Wales and remaning Danish Out posts

The Vikings are the only Colional power for 5 centuries,

It is far-fecthed to say that England would still be a saxon nation after years of Norwegian Colonazation, even more far-fetched to say they would have any colonies.

But it is silly to say that England could still claim eastren North America.

If you feel that you cannot agree with this, then we should cast of the vote from the Wiki Editors to resolve this Alexanders 14:57, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

May I ask what is the diffrence between English Colony North America and 35 state America?Alexanders 22:32, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

It means that America is a colony of GB still, with no independence. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 22:34, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, independence is good, since I already had England lose power in India, in my Mughal page, therefore meaning that it was at one point, powerful. Batmanary

3 Votes so far... 9 more

Well 7 have voted...

The United States 35 State America

Viking America

English colony America