Talk:New Britain (1983: Doomsday)

Alliance
I noticed your International Relations section and have a proposal for such.

Would you be interested in an alliance between New Britannia and the Unity League? I'd like to colonize lands in the name of the Byzantine Turks/Ottoman Greeks, as well as you'd like to colonize land in the name of the King. What do you think? Mr.Xeight 19:07, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

This sounds like a wise proposal. The colonisation and defence of the eastern seaboard of America is paramount. I assume there is radiation left over so radiation suits for the colonists will be necessary. Bob 10:11, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I have just the place to start. Recently the UL has been on the crusade against communism and radical Islam within its nearby states "in the name of peace and democracy" and is "following the example of the LoN". I noticed your mentionings of NB aid to Somalia, a well known rowdy place. What if NB and the UL were to team up to "combat the radical Muslims and Communists" and set up mandates. I propose a fair deal of the land. Eritrea the Italian Somaliland, and North Yemen can go to the UL. New Britannia can take the former British Somaliland, Socotra, Djibouti, and South Yemen. Sound fair? Mr.Xeight 22:04, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good to me!Bob 12:43, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Sound not illegitimate, your ideas. But please do not simply carve up the African continent!! Do not ignore the still existing Sicily, Pais del Oro and the International Relations as well as the ongoing debate about the true potential of a Unity League, the content regarding the Celtic Alliance and so on!!. We neeed some more intense research before we simply create a Neo-Ottoman-Empire and a New British empire centered on Africa (I do NOT want Turtledove's Draka being restored here!!) More to follow, Xi&#39;Reney 13:42, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll agree with Xi&#39;Reney -- it just doesn't fit in my understanding of the technological and human limitations of this TL. --Louisiannan 14:04, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * what is the demography of NBritain? they are all black African people? way they don't use an African name? European white are sow many? without UK support can 5 whites enslave 50 Africans? i do not think so. White supremacy go down in Africa if the Queen and her complete army die. --Fero 17:21, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * As I have said, in the past New Britannia is meant to be a new homeland for the British, Anglo-Africans and a new ethnic group of New British which is just people who live in the area and are bound to together by symbols and ideas rather than ethnicity. There isn’t any enslavement they live in a more welfare state, similar to the OTL, multicultural UK.Bob 07:43, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure I've seen the Why and Wherefore for this country, though. Rhodesia was clearly a White expansionist state, a continuation of apartheid with a more aggressively English, rather than Afrikaaner, feel.  So far so good.  But I don't see how in a matter of months Rhodesia transforms into a happy multicultural place but still keeps this English identity.  If I were a Black or a Coloured Rhodesian, I would not just allow the Whites to stay in power with a bunch of promises about ideas and symbols.  I'd want a complete overhaul, and I'd want an acknowledgement of the symbols and traditions of the African majority.  And with the srurrounding territory being so unstable, there would no doubt be plenty of folks willing to assist the more radical anti-English elements who suffered under Rhodesian rule.  Based on the established history, I think the only choices are a total collapse of the Anglo-African state, or else a return to heavy handed rule.  Benkarnell 14:53, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * In this timeline, in a world of chaos and destruction, as the very systems of government and civilisation crumble, as thousands die in the dust of virulent cancers, as the remnants of civilisation struggle to exist in a world of fire and death, what would race or colour mean. When the first British people (and I emphasise British rather than English) arrived it may well have been like when British people go overseas they don’t adapt well. They would remain in their own rigid communities refusing the help of the black man or woman in their own little world. However, with the rise of the RNP and the concentration camps, people saw the evil of what they were doing and after the civil war and the collapse of white supremacy and the adoption of a new British culture, surely both races, black and white could unite against racism and forge a new bright glittering future. A second generation of white British, brought upo amongst vast quantities of black men and women would be differnet to their racist ancestors. If the symbols of the old white regime don’t please, perhaps we could redesign the flag and coat of arms to include African symbols? Bob 10:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * without UK support can Falklands conquer Argentina? i do not think so --Fero


 * I've made a minor adjustment to your post, Fero. While you didn't necessarily mean to be offensive, it did come across that way if one isn't acquainted with you and your writing style. Louisiannan 19:02, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Southafrica(dd)2008.PNG I'm not trying to ceaselessly promote myself, but the map I made for Rhodesia might help here. I think that if enough Whites congregated in one place, bringing their disproportionally large power and resources with them, they could create at least a local power.  The map shows a pretty small area in the eastern Cape that I suggested as their approximate zone of influence.  The Transkei and Ciskei regions, in this scenario, would likely comprise either one or more than one Xhosa state, probably the Rhodesians' bitterest enemies.  In this map scenario, the campaigns could still happen, but would lead to collapse - probably just one of several times this sort of thing has happened and one agressive local power decided to rampage about.  Benkarnell 21:58, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I don´t belive in that nation. To me, after DD there become a civil war richwhites against black"slum/slaves/shit", and posible etnic clearning--Fero 17:44, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Fero you one of the most rude users of any wikia I have come across. You have no manners, you are too candid, you use insults against the people you are trying to defend, beyond biased, and refuse to help people by learning the wikia's language better. I implore to shape up before I start sending out complaints against to the admins. Mr.Xeight 23:12, 1 June 2009 (UTC)