Talk:Axis vs Allies: Reborn (Map Game)

Location
Location is how close the nation is to the place of the conflict. Goes by capital city.
 * At the war: 5
 * Next to the war: 4
 * Close to the war: 3
 * Far from the war: 2
 * Halfway around the world: 1

Tactical Advantage

 * Attacker’s advantage: 1
 * Defender’s advantage: 2
 * Home is desert: Defenders +3, attackers -3
 * Home is island: Defenders +4, attackers -4

Strength

 * Every nation militarily helping with belligerents/defenders: 3
 * Every nation nonmilitarily helping with belligerents/defenders: 2
 * Side with greater population: 3
 * Side with greater industry: 3
 * "Big Cheese" Advantage (USA, Soviet Union, UK, Japan, Germany for now):+4

Motive

 * Life or death (country’s sovereign existence is threatened): 10
 * Religious: 7
 * Social/moral: 6
 * Political: 5
 * Economical: 3

"Special" Status
In many points in history, a revolution (Hitler, Napoleon) has led to massive military successes at first. However, such revolutions have also led to massive failures (Mussolini, the South in Amer. Civil War). If a revolution has taken place in your nation in the past 7 years into an autocratic dictatorship, you are eligible for a bonus in military. If all of the above, +10.
 * If revolution to autocratic dictatorship in past 7 years.
 * If you get 6 or more in chance.

Morale

 * Recent military defeats (battles): -2
 * Extermination of conquered peoples: -3
 * Motive is less than 6: -1

Nuclear weapons

 * Strategic nuclear weapon use on capital city: +10 for belligerent, -10 for defendant (of nuke). +2 per additional nuke for belligerent, -2 per additional nuke for defendant.
 * Strategic nuclear weapon use on major city: +7 for belligerent, -10 for defendant (of nuke). +1.5 per additional nuke for belligerent, -1.5 per additional nuke for defendant.
 * Strategic nuclear weapon use on minor city: +5 for belligerent, -10 for defendant (of nuke). +1 per additional nuke for belligerent, -1 per additional nuke for defendant.
 * Tactical nuclear weapon use: +5 for first tactical nuke, +.5 per additional nuke.
 * Nuclear weapon use for belligerent: -5 morale this turn and next turn.
 * Nuclear weapon use for defendant: -2.5 morale this turn only.

Economic situation

 * Great economy: +5
 * Fair economy: +3
 * Average economy: +1
 * Poor economy: -3
 * Crashing economy: -5

Chance
Take the UTC time at that moment. (ie 21:32). Then, multiply those numbers. Any zeros count as one. Then take the declaring user's edit count. Then divide the UTC number by the edit count. Multiply that number by pi Take the fifth digit in the number, and there's your chance. Then, for the opponent, take the eighth number. And there you go!
 * 2*1*3*2= 8
 * ie 2831.
 * 8/2831= 0.00282585658
 * 0.00282585658*pi= 0.00887318966
 * 7
 * 8

Result
The winner will get to take the city(ies) they were targeting. If the winner wins by more than 1.5x the score, they will take 4 cities. If they win any number less, they will take 2 cities. If the user wins by more than 2x the score, 8 cities will be taken. If the user wins by more than 4x the score, the nation will capitulate.

Changes from Axis vs Allies: Revolutions

 * Added mod rules section
 * Added regulations to mapmaking
 * Added Plausibility Points
 * Added inactivity penalty.
 * Added proxies.
 * Changed start time to 22:00:00 UTC.

Patch 1

 * Added plausibility points to War Algorithm.
 * User will be penalized 1 point from their Plausibility Points if the miss a day without any notice.

Patch 2

 * Removed penalty for inactivity in Plausibility Points.

Patch 3

 * Removed Plausibility Points.
 * Removed Plausibility Points from algorithm.

Patch 4

 * Removed the algorithm.

Patch 5

 * The algorithm has been reinstated with major changes.

Discussion
Thanks for dealing with the last game's problems with 'power gameing' and mod bias.The River Nile-2 (talk) 21:28, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

who was the biased mod? Sine dei gloriem (talk) 21:29, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Well, Zaire vs S. Africa was a bit ASB on the previous game as the mod and the player power-gamed and hyper-conquered. Don't worry, Sine dei gloriem, since both you and Pitakang are not the fellows I was talking about. What ever, let's forget about the other game and start anew on this one. The River Nile-2 (talk) 21:38, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

ok. and yeah i remember zaire's player aswell made a Turkish empire aswell, lets hope this doesnt happen here Sine dei gloriem (talk) 21:40, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

I'm still going to build my empire. If Japan, Germany, Britian, and Italy can do it, I see no reason I can't. Of course it will be more plausible. I'm gonna build up to it like the Japanese, come up with some lousy excuse of friendship or something, and then go in for the kill. The East Asian Africaghdfghdfghdfghdfghdfn Co-Prosperity Sphere. Unless, you have a problem with that... Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 18:20, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

That's OK.The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:42, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

"Come up with some lousy excuse of friendship or something" The quote of the week

South Africa

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical: -2
 * Strength: South Africa (L +4), South West Africa (MV +2), Buntustan Republics (MV 2*20(+40)), Angola (MV +2), Mozambique (MV +2) = 50
 * Motive: +3
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +6
 * 23:47
 * 2*3*4*7=168
 * 168/1754=0.0957810718358039
 * 0.0957810718358039*pi=0.3007525655644242
 * 0.3007525655644242
 * Total: 66

Madagascar

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical: +3
 * Strength: Madagascar (L +4)
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: -2
 * Economy: -1
 * Chance: +6
 * Total: 25

Result
South Africa conquers and annexes Madagascar. Fatality.

South Africa

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical: -2
 * Strength: South Africa (L +4), South West Africa (MV +2), Buntustan Republics (MV 2*20(+40)), Angola (MV +2), Mozambique (MV +2), Madagascar (MV +2) = 52
 * Motive: +3
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +1
 * 16:24
 * 1*6*2*4=48
 * 48/1758=0.0295566502463054
 * 0.0295566502463054*pi=0.092807881773399
 * 0.092807881773399
 * Total: 63

Botswana

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical: +3
 * Strength: Botswana (L +4), Britain (M, BC +7) = +11
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +3
 * Chance: +8
 * Total: 40

Result
Tactical South African victory. Most of Botswana captured, pockets of resistance remaining.

South Africa

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical: +1
 * Strength: South Africa (L +4), South West Africa (MV +2), Buntustan Republics (MV 2*20(+40)), Angola (MV +2), Mozambique (MV +2), Madagascar (MV +2), Rhodesia (MV +2), Botswana (MV +2) = +56
 * Motive: +3
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +4
 * 22:06
 * 2*2*0*6=24
 * 24/1767=0.0135823429541596
 * 0.0135823429541596*pi=0.0426485568760611
 * 0.0426485568760611
 * Total: 77

British East Africa

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical: +3
 * Strength: British East Africa (L +4), Britain (M, BC +7) = +11
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +5
 * Total: 39

Result
Crushing South African victory. British East Africa conquered.

Disscussion
ok dude stop, this highly implausible for South Africa of all nations to invade through colonies of European nations with no penalties in the next algorithm, these offesnives need to be stopped as by now the South Africans would have been defeated by European forces. (DeanSims: Talk) 20:18, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

And it's also highly implausible for Italy to splinter into 11 different nations without causing a civil war. And it's time for decolonization anyways. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 21:13, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

it was a federation, not a new nation, adn you let my enemies do it, but not me, your biased Pita. And i dont have to decolonize as I have no colonies. (DeanSims: Talk) 21:18, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

I actually did let you do it; I could have retconned your invasion and your federation-thingy, but I didn't. And now no one can do it. Besides, Viva had some valid points. Ethiopia and South Africa did something similar to that some times in history. Italy, on the other hand, had always been divided into mini-nations and an action like that would have led to civil war. And you do have colonies... PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 22:25, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Also maybe you don't have to decolonize but Britain, France, etc sure as hell have to. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 22:26, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

South Africa

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical: +1
 * Strength: South Africa (L +4), South West Africa (MV +2), Angola (MV +2), Mozambique (MV +2), Madagascar (MV +2), Rhodesia (MV +2), Botswana (MV +2) = +16
 * Motive: +3
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +4
 * 22:06
 * 2*2*0*6=24
 * 24/1767=0.0135823429541596
 * 0.0135823429541596*pi=0.0426485568760611
 * 0.0426485568760611
 * Total: 33

British East Africa

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical: +3
 * Strength: British East Africa (L +4), Britain (M, BC +7) = +11
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +5
 * Total: 39

Result
British victory.

Disscussion
OK, you're doing this too fast. Also, I find it largely unbelievable that you could plausibly sweep nations in succession. It was OK before, but it's going too far.

                "Fear the power    of the Dark Side of the Force."  04:19, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Stop creating a bunch of tiny vassals just to get points on an algorithm. Portugal was a pushover and would not waste their time with you. Britain is by far more powerful than you and would sure as hell defeat you. You're only creating a recipe for disaster, Zaire-style and Turkey-style meaning revolutions that will rip you apart.AP (talk) 04:34, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Also, I thought you overthrew the apartheid government. Why the bantustans?

                "Fear the power    of the Dark Side of the Force."  04:53, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Read the fine print. Your lord and master (Pita) recognizes the bantustans, which according to the Book of God (real life) were created in the late 1940s as semi-independent nations (fact). So I can have my vassals, unless you'd like to lodge a complaint with reality? And here's a fun fact AP, South Africa was and still is more powerful that Portugal (as I doubt any "powerful" nation would lose three successive wars against a band of African rebels). Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 08:02, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

And by the way, my Zairian nation didn't suffer from any plausible rebellions (since all the territories I held were related to Zaire in some direct manner). You and Scraw simply made them up, and the bias eventually killed the game as the other players got sick of it. And you can't deny it. Too many players complained about it for it to be a lie.

And if what you say is true, then there should be no reason for the CoLA to be as big as it is, or for Sweden to be as powerful as well (since Ethiopia played the same cards, yet only the mod nation somehow became a superpower). Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 08:06, February 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm going to explain nice and slowly for you why I can have the bantustans without your heads exploding. Okay?

The bantustans were originally created in the late 1940s as a way of segregating the white and black African populations, while maintaining control of the country for the Afrikners. There were a total of twenty; ten in South Africa and ten in Namibia. These were fully independent nations which had fully armed militaries such as the Transkei Defence Force and the Bophuthatswana Defence Force, both of which had several thousands of soldiers.

They were economically tied to South Africa, evidenced by the need to use their currency, but allowed to deal with foreign governments without South Africa's permissions, since they were independent nations. When South Africa's government was reorganized, the bantustans were brought back into the nation, some peacefully, others less so. Thus, since these were independent nations still reliant upon South Africa for protection and aid, and were established in OTL, me having them is both plausible and given this being Althistory, inevitable. So you can take this matter up with Pita, who recognizes their existance, or you can get over it.

Oh, and here's the funniest part. If you look as the "See Also" section of, right under "Diplomatic recognition", you'll see "Puppet state" and "Satellite state". Hilarious. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 08:21, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

The use of 20 tiny vassals just to get points on an algorithm(the only way you would win) is straight up annoying. Think about it, if you actually went to war with Britain would the support of those republics make a difference? They would be token support in a war in which you would be destroyed. I say for the algorithm at least for you to get one MV point for all of them because getting 40 automatic points is A) Unfair to everyone else and B) for what I have said before, they wouldnt make a difference.AP (talk) 04:02, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Well, why do every nation have an automatic +2 on strength. Basically, that is the thing that should be changed. Those tiny nations have little or no military strength at all. Actually, we shouldn't use an automatic minimum strength of 2, but rather, decide a total for all the tiny vassals. For all the 20 vassals, it's only about 4 to 6 points. They have little or no military, not to count they're all unexperienced. Anyway, stated here, only 8 of the 20 vassals actually gained independence/self-rule. Regards, Laptop Zombie 13:10, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Like I said before, if you want to complain about it, take it to Pita. I can still have eight of my vassals since they already existed in real life. So there really isn't much you can do about OTL facts. And the vassal system itself is unfair, especially when mods use it (remember Turkey?). You abuse the system when you want something (CoLA, NATO, Go-GOLD), but when I or anyone else do (DITO, MEC, AEC), there's a problem and somehow the people hate us, rebellions spread across the alliance, and the whole thing breaks down. I still get 16 points regardless. And let's be honest, isn't the point to taking vassals to get more points so you don't lose? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 18:40, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

we should count troops and technology levels to aboid this problem, then uise some sort of generator to decide how many casulties and who wins. (Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It) 18:46, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

I don't care. It's not for me. Anyway, I've only got 1 vassal, Iceland, which I clearly stated was training up troops and receiving nukes from Denmark. About alliances like DITO or NATO, well, it does not really controls the members and all militarial actions are conducted by the members themselves. What do I want when I'm abusing (I seriously don't understand what you mean by this) the system? I have never took part in any war for now. (except for the revolution that overthrew German occupatioon)

Dutch Revolutionary War
Would be pleased if someone could do this.

Discussion
(Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It) 22:39, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Sigh. Germany has already WITHDRAWN from that region, dammit. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 23:44, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Changes, Complaints 06/02/2013 Pre-Cleanup
I (Denmark) don't have a color. Regards, Laptop Zombie 05:56, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

I corrected three OTL/ATL colonial errors- 1/ Hong Kong is British, 2/ Malta is British and 3/ Namibia was South African. Luckily it did not ruin the game.The River Nile-2 (talk) 20:16, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

I don't have a color. I am Denmark. Regards, Laptop Zombie 10:59, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

I repeat that I don't have a color. Also DK now has control over Greenland and the Faroes, and Iceland is a Danish client state. Regards, Laptop Zombie 02:14, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Dear lord, look closer! You DO have a color!

                "Fear the power    of the Dark Side of the Force."  23:10, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

Calm down, that's a while ago. This is copied from the Changes and Complaints section on the main page so that section could be cleaned. Regards, Laptop Zombie 01:10, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

South Africa

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical: +2
 * Strength: South Africa (L +4), South West Africa (MV +2), Botswana (MV +2), Rhodesia (MV +2), Madagascar (MV +2), Angola (MV +2), Mozambique (MV +2) = 14
 * Motive: +3
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +4
 * 17:42
 * 1*7*4*2=56
 * 56/1788=0.0313199105145414
 * 0.0313199105145414*pi=0.09834451901566
 * 0.09834451901566
 * Total: 32

Belgian Congo

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical: +1
 * Strength: Belgian Congo (L +4)
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: -2
 * Economy: +1
 * Chance: +1
 * Total: 20

Result
South Africa wins. Half of Belgian Congo taken.

Disscussion
We need to get this straight. We all accept the the existance on the Bantustan nations, even though they're not internationally recognized. HOWEVER, using them in the algorithm is jut plain stupid, and it's tweaking and boosting to the nth degree. In reality, they would hardly help in a war.

<span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  01:45, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

The bantustans were still nations that could still help. Its my choice whether or not I choose to use nations that were already considered vassals of South Africa in OTL. If Luxembourg can sends troops to other nations to help in their fights, then so can the bantustands which had larger militaries. If Sweden can control the USSR (which is implausible), then South Africa can have its bantustans. And South Africa has more points without the bantustans, so I win. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 04:57, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Fixed. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 15:50, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

South Africa

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical: +2
 * Strength: South Africa (L +4), South West Africa (MV +2), Botswana (MV +2), Rhodesia (MV +2), Madagascar (MV +2), Angola (MV +2), Mozambique (MV +2), =16
 * Motive: +3
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +3
 * Chance: +1
 * 21:51
 * 2*1*5*1=10
 * 10/1803=0.0055463117027177
 * 0.0055463117027177*pi=0.0174154187465336
 * 0.0174154187465336
 * Total: 29

Rhodesia and Nyasaland

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical: +1
 * Strength: Rhodesia(L)+Nyasaland(L) +Britain(M+BC)
 * Motive: +5 (colonial possessions)
 * Morale: -2
 * Economy: +3
 * Chance: +7
 * Total: 34

Result
British victory.

Discussion
When will you learn? Seriously. Every game is conquer-kill-genocide-radical government-destruction-repeat. Even if you succeed, no one will want to live under you. With Zaire it was fine until you started conquering nations not culturally related or linguistically related to you. Now it's become too much. Your economy is fair at best because of war exhaustion and the draining effects on an economy. Stop making up vassals, you've made no mention of Katanga so don't include it in the algorithm. You seem to not understand the concept that a nation can succeed without conquest. Look at the CoLA. It's surpassed Canada as the second largest economy in the Americas and has acquired its present size through peaceful means NOT conquest. If i pursued your strategy, the CoLA wouldnt last 20 years because it would get ripped to shreds by nationalists refusing to live under a conqueror. You don't need to go and conquer the continent to be successful. Latin America did it, South Africa can too but with peace not war.AP (talk) 04:49, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

When will you learn to read? From what I can clearly remember, ALL of the territories were related to Zaire in all forms. I and TWO others users told you, and you never listened. One user went so far as to add links to pages that proved they were related to Zaire. And aren't you the same fool that told me the South Africa was the economic superpower of Africa IN THE SAME GAME? Stop lying and learn to live with the consequences of your actions. All you've done by way of you godmodding is dig a deep ditch for when we start another game. When I got additional nations peacefully, you had a problem with it. When the CoLA did it, there was nothing wrong with it. Stop coming up with excuses. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 05:03, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

Still, why do you always have same agenda in every game? Everytime I see you sign up in Africa I know that you are going to go on a rampage of successive conquest. (Save PMII, you got screwed there.)

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 * I'm tired of explaining every time why. Maybe if you read anything I or anyone else said, you'd know. But since you won't, I'm not even going to answer this question again. Flag of the Hurian Federation.png Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 03:25, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

and all of those little republics shouldnt count, you wont get more out of the same popualtion and resources by dividing it into autonomous areas, there part of your empire, if we ont recognize them, they dont exist. I suppose a new ammenadmant, nations cannot join the algorithm unless the nations existance is aproved by the moderators.

DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

Tiny nations have militaries Dean. KwaZulu has millions of people, as does Katanga, and both can suppose tens of thousands of soldiers. The bantustan nations had more people and resources than any of the Baltic states, yet I wouldn't be surprised if Scraw decided to drag them into his conflicts. If you did some research on any small nations, you'll find that they are easily capable of providing economical or logistical support. Besides, you were quick to divid you nation up into tiny nations that would nation try to help in a war. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 03:25, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

i doubt it makes more resources and manpower magicaly apear if there autonomous areas rather than them staying just united, it makes no difference, they should not even count, and IM NOT EVEN FIGHTING YOU.

DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

The main reason according to OTL is that the people will be more willing to support a puppet government (such as those in Nazi Germany), than the conquering nation. They'd sign up to join the military forces of their own government, and view their obligation to fight for their protector as more of a favor due to a close ally (such as the British dominions). Thus, production goes up and military manpower increases. The conquering nation doesn't have to worry about the logistics of supplying a large force since the smaller nation can handle that. So the smaller forces serve as auxilary armies which bolster the overall army of the larger nation. That's all. And I'm sorry for snapping at you. AP and Scraw just get on my nerves. Their just so ignorant. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 14:26, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Stop cheating on algorithms, it's incredibly annoying. You never mentioned Katanga once so don't tell me otherwise. Lesotho and Swaziland joined you too late to count. South Africa was a leading economy in Africa, yes, but that doesnt mean you can go around and conquer colonies of powerful nations like Great Britain. Change your same old conquer-everything-that-borders-you agenda and go for something different ''for once. ''AP (talk) 04:43, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

And you still can't read. I told you five seperate times my tactics, but you keep ignoring me. Besides, since you never read have the stuff I write, or play on have the games I play. And if you knew anything about history in Africa, you'd know that the Europeans could never keep the colonies under control let alone fight, by your own words, the most powerful nation in Africa. If you can create the CoLA in AvA game we've playedn I will continue with my tactics for as long as I feel like. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 14:26, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

The problem is, the CoLA is not surrounded by foreign powers or under pressure. Except the Guianas, but those are nothing.

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I only have Britian and France to the north. But I can wait to achieve my aims. I will finish my expansion in Zaire, and I won't expand for awhile. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 19:20, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Penalty
We need a penalty for several consecutive wars. Now that World War II over, we cannot logically afford to have troops moving from front to front from country to country without some sort of subtraction. You have to remember something about fighting gallions of consecutive wars: AIN'T NOBODY GOT TIME FO DAT.

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Every turn in the war is deducted 5 points, if you just ended a war last turn you carry the deduction from that war to the new war. If you skip 1 turn the deduction is reduced by 5 points, you skip 2 turns the deduction is reduced by 10 points etc. If you skip more than 4 turns (5 or more) then you don't carry deductions. Is that fine? Regards, Laptop Zombie 04:30, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

Example:

Abesia vs. Belludia

Abesia was deducted 30 points for war weariness when war ended at turn 2935.5

If Abesia attack Chloria at turn 2936 then Abesia will have 35 points deduction for that turn(carry 30 + 5 for new turn = 35 total).

If Abesia attack Chloria at turn 2936.5 then Abesia will have 30 points deduction (carry 30 + 5 for new turn - 5 * 1 skipped turn = 35 total).

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<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">If Abesia attack Chloria at turn 2937.5 then Abesia will have 20 points deduction (carry 30 + 5 for new turn - 5 * 3 skipped turn = 35 total).

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">If Abesia attack Chloria at turn 2938 then Abesia will have 15 points deduction (carry 30 + 5 for new turn - 5 * 4 skipped turn = 35 total). <p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">If Abesia attack Chloria at turn 2938.5 then Abesia will have 5 points deduction (5 turns skip, no carry, 5 for new turn). If after this deduction becomes negative it will goes zero.Regards, Laptop Zombie 04:37, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

DITO

 * Location: +5 (Libya borders Tunisia)
 * Tactical Advantage: +1 (Attackers Advantage)
 * Strength: Italy (L+4) Bosnia (+2) Croatia (+2) Serbia (+2) Macedonia (+2) Slovenia (+2) Macedonia (+2) Libya (+2) Eritrea (+2) Somalia (+2) Ethiopia (+2) South Thailand (+3) Australia (+3) New Caldenia (+3) Timor (+2) = +35
 * Motive: +5 (Politcal)
 * Economy: +5 (Great Economy due to free trade with all eachother, keeping prices low and boosting revune)
 * Chance: +1
 * Total: +52

Tunisia

 * Location +5


 * Tactical Advanatge +2


 * Strength +4 (Tunisia + L=4)


 * Motive +10


 * Economy +3


 * Chance: +2


 * Total: 26

Outcome
Tunisa falls to DITO forces and becomes a Republic

Discussion

 * Aussie R:South Thailand, Australia and  New Caledonia provided troops. Australia and Timor provide supplies.

Humor for Australia
Men At Work - Land Down Under Remix

Made my day XD OreoToast555 03:28, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Antarctic Treaty
Proposed by: Canada

A treaty between nations regarding claiming of land, usage of land, wildlife research and geological research in antarctica.

Land Claims
Canada - OTL Ross Dependency

<p class="MsoNormal">Australia- No claim to the Continental land mass, but to some Islands. A few islands of the OTL Australian held [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac._Robertson_Land Mac. Robertson Land ]. Azimuth Islands, Flat Islands, Béchervaise Island , West Budd Island , Giganteus Island , Jocelyn Islands , Nelson Rock , Rookery Islands , Rouse Islands , Welch Island, Williams Rocks, Lee Island, Verner Island, Petersen Island, Stinear Island, Béchervaise Island, Parallactic Islands Kellas Islands in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holme_Bay Holme Bay. ]5 other islands are claimed else were- Roosevelt Island, Abbott Island, Masson Island, Paulet Island and Coulman Island.

U.S.A. - OTL Australian Antarctic Territory

Spain - All leftover space not claimed by any other country.

Sweden: Norwegian and Argentinian areas.

CoLA - OTL New Zealand and Chilean claims.

Italy: Antartic Penninsula and surrounding islands that Australia doesnt claim as well as some land on both east and west of the penninsula and south to the pole.

Britain: OTL British claims.

Japan: otl Japanese claims

New Zealand: OTL French Claim, Marie Byrd Land (more specifically, everything between the OTL Chilean and NZ claims).

Land Usage
The continent of Antartica is to be divided into controlled territories of nations, not to be directly annexed by the nation. This treaty will allow for military personell training, limited nuclear testing, and Geological research. Any research conducted on wildlife on the continent is to be controlled by the Antarctic Treaty Wildlife Commision, which will supervise any and all wildlife activities. Phrohibits penal deportation, large scale nuclear testing and large scale wildlife testing. Non-nuclear explosives that do not posess the ability to create deadly radioactive fallout are permitted.

Signatories
Canada - User:OreoToast555 21:13, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Australia - The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:33, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

United States of America - Enclavehunter (talk) 00:10, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Spain -

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CoLA - AP (talk) 00:15, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Italy: DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

Japan: Wavy? What now, its so bouncy (talk) 20:31, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

New Zealand: 50.59.107.98 17:24, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Cuba, (antartica is fully claimed, is there any other choice i have ?) Chao101 (talk) 00:42, February 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Cuba and Albania commented they wanted to join on the main game page in a post circa 1952.5. Albania also claimed Pieter Island.The River Nile-2 (talk) 01:07, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Discussion
Excuse me, but Canada was not invited to this...

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AvAReb_Antarctic_Treaty.png

 * I do belive that this is a different conference? (i have no idea) OreoToast555 01:31, February 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * NZ, Italy, Cuba and Canada are invited in to the Antarctic Treaty by an Australian request.The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:01, February 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Since I do not have an account yet, I cannot modify this. However, I am claiming the gray area in Antarctica south of south America and potentially the other gray area in Antarctica (I am willing to revise these claims if they conflict with anyone else's; I know that Spain has an outstanding but unspecified claim). 50.59.107.98 17:53, February 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Wheres my portion? The old baby (talk) 17:29, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Poland
Wait- why does the USSR have half of Poland when they never invaded? PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 00:23, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Political betrayal at the end of WW2?The River Nile-2 (talk) 21:07, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Germany (Belligerent)

 * Location: +3
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Germany (L, BC+8), Romania (MV+2), Hungary (MV+2), Bulgaria (MV+2), Czechoslovakia (MV+2), Poland (MV+2), Spain (MV+2)= +20
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +5
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +3
 * 19:26
 * 1*9*2*6= 108
 * 108/8052= 0.01341281669
 * 0.01341281669*pi= 0.04213760638
 * 0.04213760638
 * Total: 58

Greece (Defendant)

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Greece (L+4)= +4 (Australia)
 * Motive: +10
 * Special Status: +0
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +3
 * Chance: +0
 * Total: 24

Result
German troops roll into Greece and set up a puppet government.

OK, you no longer have special status, its void becasue you no longer have hitler and the revolution was more than 7 years ago. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

We had another revolution overthrow Hitlre. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 18:20, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

that still wasnt a revolution, he just got killed, you got rid of an autocratic dictator, and i dont think Special Status should exist, Italy was an autocratic dictatorship but we sucked in OTL, it realy pertains to how well he works. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 18:50, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Discussion
Remember, this was for retaliation to the Italian invasion of Tunisia. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 00:32, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Australia is an allie of Greece and sent them several hundred rifels and about 10-15 tanks a whlie back over several turns circa 1945-47. The River Nile-2 (talk) 20:58, February 13, 2013 (UTC) Correction, it was 4,000 rifles and 1 tankette.The River Nile-2 (talk) 00:22, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Dont forget the Japs and the rest of DITO

and Italy and its allies

Why? Why would DITO interfere? PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 22:26, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Australia only acted indipendently out of a long standing bi-latteral agreement (it also has one with Albania). The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:44, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

PowerPoint
I've had a lot of free time recently and have been kinda bored so I made a PPT presentation of this entire game from 1933.5 to 1938.5. Just a little side project. What do you guys think? Thanks! Also if anyone wants to help they're welcome to. If no one wants to that's fine too. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 00:34, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

nice, but it would be better if it goes from 1938.5 to 1953 :), just a tip of advice Chao101 (talk) 00:53, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

http://www.slideshare.net/PitaKang/av-a

There's more to come. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 00:57, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

If I got any free time, I hope you don't mind, I could help out. Stewdio333 (talk) 07:11, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Great job!The River Nile-2 (talk) 20:59, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Nation Dividing
This needs to stop, now. It's a sorry excuse for getting points on an algorithm and it is frankly annoying. I can think of several times this has happened: South African Bantustans(which were retconned but still unfairly won them two wars), Italy's "protectorates," Germany, etc the list goes on forever. What really caught my eye today is that Italy divided Libya into two parts because one of them wanted independence! What's ironic is that he made it a protectorate which is a glorified colony, nationalists would never accept that. That's really pushing it. Not to mention that Dean has begun to show a pattern of this nation division to get points on algorithms wiki-wide. The time for decolonization has begun and several nations need to start.AP (talk) 03:37, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

I agree, it's got very imperialistic, Australia will pull out of Australian Indochina in 1960. PNG is being integrated. I plan to wind down my empire.90.244.94.154 08:54, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

What about those who didn't use their colonies in warfare? Granted, I'll follow order if I must, but I just want to know about the people who didn't use their colonies.

Germany didn't split into say, Bavaria, etc, but I'm using my conquered countries. Big difference. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 12:15, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

And I stopped using the bantustans (eight of which were true nations), and started using actual conquered nations, but you complained that I couldn't do that either. Make up your mind. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 19:59, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

The Bantustans were "real nations".The River Nile-2 (talk) 20:19, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

I have an idea- Batustans, outfits like the IRA and Vichy France like client states= yes, Bravaria and other styles= no?The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:38, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

No. Vassals, client states, puppets, allies, only. All others = no.

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Unabashed imperialism
My big concern is that it's got very imperialistic and is a global version of the OTL scramble for Africa! I don't mined the nation splitting and puppet nations, it's the HUGE  empires that worry me. Australia will pull out of Australian Indochina in 1960 and PNG is being integrated. The time of imperialism has past. Trade blocs, oil, insurgency/proxy wars in the 3rd world, space tech, sport and inventions should be our new agenda. Skylab would be an awsum achevment for who ever put it up in the 1970's.The River Nile-2 (talk) 20:30, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

African Union (Belligerent)

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: African Union (L+4) = +4
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +5
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +3
 * Chance: +9
 * 13:55
 * 1*3*5*5= 75
 * 75/1827= 0.041050903119868636
 * 0.041050903119868636*pi= 0.12889983579638753
 * 0.12889983579638753
 * Total: 32

Northern Rhodesia (Defendant)

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Northern Rhodesia (L+4), Britain (M+BC) = +11
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +1
 * Chance: +3
 * Total: Tie

Result
African victory.

Disscussion
You're the African Union now, a single country. Therefore your vassals are gone. You wouldn't count all 50 states in an algorithm for the US. Also, we've told you before that you can't have an "excellent" economy(which you claaim to have in every game) war after war after war. AP (talk) 23:35, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

The African Union is a confederacy. I'm playing the alliance of nations, like the EU which acts as a nation, but its members are independent of each other. And I don't know what you were smoking, but Northern Rhodesia was and still is poor, broke, and starving. And I do have an excellent economy, because like you said, I'm South Africa. And of course I say I have a great economy, because. I always work on fixing the poorer ones. You just never read the turns I focus on fixing them. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 02:36, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

DITO is secretly sending aid, so add the aid of 11 nations to Africa.

A) Your economy is not going to be good after so many wars and a reformation.

B) If DITO is secretly helping out, there's no way you could have someone keep their involvement a secret and make that much of a difference in the war.

C) Viva, you're being rude and disrespectful. Stop it.

CrimsonAssassin (talk) 22:52, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Don't talk down to me please. I hate it, and the people who do it. And you haven't seen all the stupidity I've had to deal with from AP and Scraw, the total bias that I, and several other users have complained about. And I don't show respect to those haven't earned it. AP had it for a while, and he still has a bit left, but like Scraw, his total refusal to listen or read any of the proof I or anyone else provides, drives me up a wall. And if you should be telling anyone to stop being rude and disrespectful, please say so to Scraw. I need only provide the comments he made to prove that. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:29, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't talking down to you. I was telling you to stop with the snide comments. I really don't care who you don't like because this isn't elementary school. Christ, if someone's being rude, be the bigger man rather than stoop to their level. Whoever is being rude needs to stop and this is not limited to Viva. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 03:00, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

You honestly don't believe I don't know that? I'm 20 years old, and have six cousins between three to twelve, and I tell them that all the time. Dude, I try my best. I didn't come to this wiki thinking "Hey, I'll be the biggest douche in the world!" I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't like drama or arguing. When I got here, I tried to be the better man all of the time. But then I ran into Scraw, and look at me now. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 04:32, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

WW3
Is it me or does any one else feel that World War III is imminent. Enclavehunter (talk) 04:48, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Is this because America and Spain look like they're about to go at it. (No offense though, I'm actually pretty nice in real life, despite playing Spain in this game.) Stewdio333 (talk) 05:21, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

No, not really. I was more referring in general to the tensions between nations.

We have Spain and the US at each others throats. We have DITO probally pitted against Germany, the African Union against Britain, and then rebel situations that I expect will arise.

I believe this is the most intense (well, the most intense an map game can get) in the Axis vs Allies series.

Enclavehunter (talk) 05:25, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Oh well, this is pretty cool though, even though war between our two nations is inevitable right? And yes, honestly, I don't know if Spain would actually survive in this war. Stewdio333 (talk) 05:29, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Spanish citizens know that war with the United States would destroy their country, much like the Spanish-American War of 1898. Therefore I believe it is time for a democratic coup in Spain.AP (talk) 07:52, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Well given that Spain has been censoring the media, and this isn't a time where you can just look at the internet to see what's really going on, the Spanish government can make the people believe anything. So no coup would be possible. Even if possible, the Spanish military is still too powerful for any organized rebel movement, even if it can't fight the United States. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 15:07, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

A coup in a modern country (as of 1950) is impossible. Seriously. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 18:21, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

How it might play out:
Quite Frankly, the amount of tension that exists will for sure start the third world war. "Make no mistake, war is coming"
 * DITO invasion of German Puppets
 * German Retaliation
 * Canadian/Danish/Swedish Invasion of greater Germany
 * USA or Spain declaring war on eachother
 * Australian Conquering of Indonesia(?)
 * Canada vs USA
 * Albania vs german puppets in Greece
 * African Union declaring war on Britain
 * Possible use of nukes
 * Mostly devastated world after WW3.

OreoToast555 (talk) 17:53, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

I reckon it will occer in about 1958-59 and Spain and the USA will have started it.The River Nile-2 (talk) 21:11, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not playing in this.

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I don't want to play in it either, but we have an agressive Spain, Germany, and DITO, and I'm the only one (besides Sweden funding DITO's enemies) are standing up to them. The only nations I can count on to help me is the CoLA., but I'm not sure they'll help either. Enclavehunter (talk) 21:58, February 15, 2013 (UTC

I don't want the game to nuke it's self to ashes too soon.The River Nile-2 (talk) 22:30, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Oreotoast, you're oversimplifying foreign relations. Not every negative interaction leads to war, something no one seems to grasp. WWIII could theoretically happen, but no one would dare. Not even Germany(well I'm not so sure anymore given that Pita's actions have been a stretch). Everyone lives by the MAD doctrine, both sides fear destruction.AP (talk) 23:31, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

lets just hope that world war 3 won't happen, even though we totally beieve it will. My nation is still building up, so i might reamin neutral unless i get a benefit :/ Chao101 (talk) 00:41, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Basically this. I'm not shooting for WWIII. I've worked too long on my nation to watch it burn in nuclear fire just because somebody want to see who could p*** the farthest. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 01:28, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

I tried to bring all democratic nations together to fight Germany first, and as a result Sweden vs. DITO? Man, I think I need to declare neutrality now. OreoToast555, I think we are forming a neutral block watching the rest of the world go to war. Maybe Denmark will commit suicide by nuking itself. Die in honor! Regards, Laptop Zombie 03:02, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Like I said earlier, this game is becoming an implausofest. Germany, Italy, Japan, so many nations have become implausible beyond belief.AP (talk) 04:08, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Am I an implausible one? (I'm Denmark) Regards, Laptop Zombie 04:12, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

I kinda picked up that vibe near the end of WWII, but seeing as how people seem to like the game as it is, or at least that's what I can see, I believe it to be fine. But that's just me. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 04:39, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

It's just not realistic(not just you, everyone). There are economics, social repercussions, etc etc after wars. People don't understand the fact that nations didn't have the money for a nuclear weapons program. It's not like the thought "Hey, let's start building nukes!" never came up. The thought was there, but the money wasn't. The UN doesn't have as much power here not because it's weak, but because it's only run by the people that actually vote. Nations creating their own blocks as if they were superpowers(like Italy) is off the deep end. What I'm getting at is that the game is too laissez-faire. Scraw once described my mode of running a map-game "dictatorlike" because I intervened for plausibility's sake. I don't care what you call it, that worked and the game ran for more than 110 years and only died after I went on a wiki break.AP (talk) 04:49, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

He has a point.

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How is Germany implausogasm? PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 15:22, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Pita you are abusing ur mod powers. C'mon, China wins revolution over Japan and the rest of DITO in one year. LOL The old baby (talk) 17:27, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

...that wasn't me. It was Scraw. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 18:15, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Australia was going to giving up it's empier, but I will exsellerate this. We only want 5 nukes for a last ditch weapon, unlike others, that have hundreds all ready.The River Nile-2 (talk) 18:23, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Look at the map of Europe and you'll see what I mean. An invasion of Ukranian SSR, civil war or not, would end up with you nuked or invaded by the Red Army. You have a classic case of creator-of-the-game-turned-unstoppable-superpower disease @the old baby, your conquest was implausible from the beginning. You claim to have an empire that has a larger population than CHINA? LOL. Millions of angry people+Nationalism+Historical hatred= bye bye Japan. And you wouldn't dare to nuke China. No one fighting a losing war would drop a bomb, fearing retaliation for such a cowardly act. Why didnt the Soviets drop a nuke on Afghanistan when they were losing the war? Retaliation.AP (talk) 18:48, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

...Germany did more than this during WW2- they took over all that I took over and went into Western Europe. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 19:19, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Sweden
Wait, how did Sweden and Italy get satellites up? Neither side has the resources nor scientists to do that… Germany has the resources and most of the rocket scientitss. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 18:22, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Pita, HA!, if u have some up in the sky so should many others. Im being PLAUSIBLE and not shooting one up till the late 1950s The old baby (talk) 17:48, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Australia will only manage get it's satelitite up in circa 1960-61.The River Nile-2 (talk) 20:57, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

So? We are a superpower.

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Yeah, a superpower with less than 20 million population and no major scientists... PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 21:53, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

I was only commenting on Australia and not nocking Sweden's, Italy's or Gremany's space plans.The River Nile-2 (talk) 22:28, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

I've got a better question. Why is tiny Sweden even a major superpower. Plenty of nations sided with Germany, larger nations, and were never given the title of superpower. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:25, February 15, 2013 (UTC).

How come Germany is reaching achievements faster than everybody? The old baby (talk) 17:48, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Because we have all the scientists. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 18:17, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Soviet Union
Let's just say they're in a civil war to explain all their inactivity, right? PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 22:28, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. Enclavehunter (talk) 23:30, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Seconded. You could say it had something to do with Stalin's death. Right after he died in OTL, the Soviet Union underwent a number of political trials. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:38, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

I Think since stalin made the USSR a superpower, the Soviet Union would go into decline and worsen Chao101 (talk) 00:36, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

I agree.The River Nile-2 (talk) 21:22, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Fed had Trotsky come to power over Stalin.

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Canadian Implausibility
I apologise for my implausability to think ahead, i am having issues with sleeping and was extremely tired.

America, let us fight the facists and liberate the people!

OreoToast555 (talk) 05:13, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

It's ok.The River Nile-2 (talk) 20:47, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Germany (Belligerent)

 * Location: +3
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Germany (L, BC+8), Romania (MV+2), Hungary (MV+2), Bulgaria (MV+2), Czechoslovakia (MV+2), Poland (MV+2), Greece (MV+2), Spain (M +3)= +23
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Motive: +5
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +6
 * 13:33
 * 1*3*3*3= 27
 * 27/8105= 0.00333127698
 * 0.00333127698*pi= 0.01046551531
 * 0.01046551531
 * Total: 46

Soviet Union (Defendant)

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Ukraine (L+4), Sweden (M, +3), Norway (M, +3), Baltic States (MV*4, +8), Finland (SV, +2) = 20
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: -5
 * Chance: +1
 * Total: 33

Result
Not yet conclusive.

Discussion
So the civil war is going on. So obviously not all the SSRs are gonna help. So who's loyalist and who's rebel? PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 18:36, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Also, after the conquest of parts of Western USSR and Ukraine I will not be seeking any more land gains. (Of course, there's nothing else to really get lol. Anyways, I'm not going to invade Russia itself. Just Ukraine. Anyways, who's up for a WWIII with no nukes? PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 18:40, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Not interested in WWIII. Supporting my little friend here.

Also, the Soviet Civil War is more of a political thing. The SSRs are all still loyal to the Trotskyists, but the opposition has rebel factions of the Red Army criss-crossing everything everywhere.

Also, if you are attacking Ukraine only, you need use Kiev for location.

One more thing. I thought the world was done with this type of crap. What's happened now?

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We are never done with this kind of crap. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 19:34, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Also, the only reason I invaded Greece was for a port to the Mediterranean. I'm willing to pull out from most of Greece if I get a port. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 19:34, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Proxy Wars
Anyone up for a series of maybe 5-6 proxy wars in the Mid East, Africa, and the USSR before the actual "big thing" starts? PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 18:43, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, as long as the world lasts for more that 3 turns since I have an idea for 1955.5 and would like to use it (it's not nukes or a weapon, but a novel civil OTL idea).The River Nile-2 (talk) 18:53, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Yup. The "big thing" won't involve nukes if I can't help it, don't worry. I've put too much effort into Germany to see it vanish in ashes. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 19:00, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

I wish to see the Aussies servive, I've done a lot to. The British failed to act in the Empier, so I setepped in at places, run Aus' ragged to keep up with hyperdevelopers and toyed with Indonisia/Indochina whilst resisting the erge to conqure South Asia. The River Nile-2 (talk) 20:12, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Decolonization has begun!
Beware! Also, I made sure Libya left Italy because Italy tried splitting it in two to try and get more points on an algorithm- unacceptable. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 18:55, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

The Philippines is a U.S. state and has been since the 1940's. The government held a referderum and a slim majority of the population supported it. Just thought I should point this out when decolonization of the Pacific begins. Enclavehunter (talk) 19:00, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, the Philippines is fine. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 19:01, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Mods
I feel like Scraw has been using his mod-ness to his own advantage... He's created rebellions in Italy, Germany, and Japan... but nooo, Norway and Finland somehow stay compliant. Also, what's the background on the rebellions in Bulgaria, Hungary, and Romania? PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 19:31, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Also, a country of less than 10 million population cannot rebel against an empire of over 50 million. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 19:33, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

I feel it necessary to point out that you created a civil war in the USSR to give yourself an advantage to take Ukraine which in turn is for more points on an algorithm. Like I said before, it is a classic case of creator-of-game-turned-unstoppable-superpower disease. And for your most recent post, look at Chechnya. It's tiny and faced giant Russia in a war and gained its de facto independence. Things like that happen. For Norway and Finland, i'm not too sure. They are closely related to Sweden, but still they were conquered.... AP (talk) 19:36, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

I actually did not create the civil war to give myself an advantage... it was because Fed was gone and we needed an excuse as to why the Soviets have been quiet this whole time. Invading Ukraine actually came to me after I did the civil war thing... It really was. I was planning to give all my vassals semi-independence after a couple of wars, though. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 19:39, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Also, your Chechenya post is invalid. Russia after the dissolution of the USSR was a bloody mess. Their army was one of the most incompetent in the world and they sold all their best equipment to the Chinese, Iranians, etc. Also, I really am getting Ukraine for the food- with the recent population boom in Germany we need fertile farmland, which the Ukraine is. In fact, I won't even use it in my algorithms. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 19:41, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Inactivity shouldnt always lead to civil wars or collapsing empires, it could just be isolationism. You can't hold people down forever, especially in this century, revolutions will happen and you won't be able to contain them. You ignore the fact that Chechnya is a small dot in the massive Russian Federation and Russia no matter what its state had powerful capabilities.AP (talk) 19:46, February 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Inactivity led to the civil war cause we can't explain why the Soviets haven't had a nuke test or expanded anywhere for the past five years. That's why. Flag_of_South_Korea.png PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 23:04, February 16, 2013 (UTC)
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Well, dearest Pita, please explain to me the relationship between the Balkan peolpes and the Germans, or the Africans and the Italians, in opposition to Scandinavian bonds and royal relations.

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The relationship? Germany took over them, that's what. And besides, Romania, Hungary, and Bulgaria supported Germany in OTL. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 23:01, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

...I took them over too...

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Dissolution of the Empires
Very soon, after a very big thing I'm planning, all my vassals (except Czecheslovakia) will go free. They will still remain in the Axis, but they'll be free. Also, Italy's vassals will be free as well, although they can remain in DITO.

Japanese influence in China will be scaled back a bit, but not too much.

The USSR will remain in civil war for 3 more years.

There will be about 3-5 proxy wars waged by Germany, Sweden, USA, etc. It doesn't really matter who wins.

WWIII will be there- but no nukes. Agreed?

Yes. (OK, I'm not a mod, just a opinonated Wikipeadian and good at Google serches).The River Nile-2 (talk) 20:15, February 16, 2013 (UTC) (OK

Decolonization
Eventually, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, etc will all be independent. Beware.

PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 19:44, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Add French African Guniea (Todays Guinea), Nigeria, Ghana and Banda Ache (the Orange bit in northern Sumatra) to the list, since they were indipendent or part of an indipendent state by 1959-60. I planned to give BA indipendence in 1951, but the Dutch wanted it back along with Sulawasie, etc, and then ignored it.The River Nile-2 (talk) 20:25, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Myamar/Burma should have got indipendence in 1947. Near by Arunchal Pradesh was conqured by India in 1950. I split Banda Ache and N. Suluwasie off W. Indonisia partly to exstend my colonial rule and avoid the mestakes of OTL Dutch/Indonisian rule. W. Papua was more pro-Dutch, stayed Dutch untill Indonisia crushed them in 1965. Papuan kinship is strong and PNG has help them rebel against Indonisia on occasion. I think  I could use the kinship to unite the island, but my goal is assimilation of island as a fully fledged Australian state in 1970, rather than indipendence (OTL- PNG in 1975).The River Nile-2 (talk) 22:47, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Discussion
If they will be freed, I doubt they would want to be allied to people who invaded and conquered them.AP (talk) 19:46, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

I'm an outside person here, yet I am sure - in a last ditch attempt, any loser with the capibility will use nukes. Why not have that the loser limits the number of nukes lost. This could be saidbecause major nukedeports could be captured butone or two still might be in the army's hands or something? What dya say? Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:49, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

It's a point if war was wage.The River Nile-2 (talk) 20:20, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

People don't get the fact that nations lived by and feared the MAD doctrine(i've said this millions of times). Nations fear retaliation for dropping a nuke on a nation they're losing a war with. The Soviets didn't drop a nuke on Afghanistan for a reason.AP (talk) 19:51, February 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Who would have nuked the Soviets if they dropped a nuke in Afghanistan? They didn't drop a nuke because of the international outrage that would follow, and the fact that dropping a nuke would be pretty much a waste of a nuke. A nuke can't kill mountains. They didn't not drop cause of MAD. Flag_of_South_Korea.png PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 23:07, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

I agree over MAD. Look at the Cuba Crisiss- Kenedy and Kruschov did not go to atomic war, but played for sanctions and continued proxy wars elseware.The River Nile-2 (talk) 20:20, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

What Pita is talking about is a frontal war between major powers, not proxys, much different. And the Soviets wouldn't have dropped a nuke anyway, cause one - the rebels could just spread out, and two - why waste a nuke on a backwater? Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:12, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

And in the minds of the last desperate officers, they'll say bull to MAD and launch anyway. However, I would think the winners would not retaliate (cause lets face it, they've won and cooler heads would say no). Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:14, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, WTF is up with "The whole USSR invades Germany." PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 23:04, February 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Pita, you've been acting rather strange recently. You don't really remind of the Pita I know that much. Meh.


 * To answer your question, what kind of a question is that? You invade them, they invade you...


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Also, if we want a proper WWIII, we can't have Germany and Spain vs the rest of the world. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 23:09, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Also, I think you guys need to realize we're trying to have fun, not create a perfectly realistic scenario. All map games are ASB. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 23:12, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

I agree, but don't go too ASB.The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:50, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Anyways, I'm planning a WWII next turn. Have fun. No nukes please, though. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 23:16, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Sweden
I think it's a bit ridiculous that Sweden is threatening Germany. Germany can wipe out Sweden's population, while Sweden can only kill most of Germany's population. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 23:10, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Best Axis vs Allies Game?
I feel like this has been the most fun and best AvA game. Thoughts? Best AvA Game? Yes No

Too short lived, WW3 came to soon.

Japan

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical: 1
 * Strength: (Italy, Japan, Australia Macendonia, Canada, Libya, Eretia, USSR, Serbia, Montergeno, C Loyalists, NSR, BTSR, VSR, manchurina, SSR, PKSR, TWSR, New Zealand, Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia, Ethiopia, Somalia, AU) +75 non(Cuba India) 4, Greater industry: 3, Big cheese(USSR,Japan Italy) 12
 * Motive: 6
 * Morale: -2
 * Nuke: Capital: 10, major city, 7
 * Economy: 5
 * Chance: 1959=405
 * 45/0.17517301
 * 3.14: 0.55004325 Chance: o :(
 * total: 125

China

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical: 2
 * Strength: greater pop: 2
 * Motive: 10
 * Morale: 0
 * Nuke: -20
 * Economy: 3
 * Chance: 2
 * Total:5

Result
Steamrolls over China. The old baby (talk) 00:21, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Discussion
We've been over this. Do you want a ban?

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A ban u funny Scraw. Once again China cannot beat of Dito in half a year let alone not expect retaliation. They give me resources and a path to the west, what do u want me to do? what woul u do if u wernt a mod and that happened to u. Ur best place for resources was taken because of mod arrogance The old baby (talk) 00:32, February 17, 2013 (UTC)