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China would still lose some territory to the various Manchu tribes, but overall that's more or less true. If the Manchu don't take power - the tribes would still have the chance, even if not unified, given the situation in China - Wu Sangui or Li Zicheng would start the new dynasty in all likelihood.

Actually, the majority of the nobles and people never had any such thought at that time. Really, you're not going to change that one anything even close to quickly. It is a cultural thing in many ways, really.