User talk:Mitro

'I am taking a long wiki break to study for my law school finals. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page but please be aware that I probably will not respond to it until after the 18th. If you need the help of admin, please contact either Benkarnell, Louisiannan or one of the other members of the TSPTF.'

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Khalistan & Red Blood
I added a whole lot of information on Khalistan and I'm adding Opertaion Red Blood. Ratification problems, man? --MC Prank 15:28, November 19, 2009 (UTC) Read Red Blood its not about Khalistan, there's no war on Khalistan. Also, I have a future plot involoving a conflict b/w Khalistan and Pakistan. --MC Prank 15:49, November 19, 2009 (UTC) Look, man. There's a province of Punjab in Pakistan too. There are many Sikhs living there too even now. Now many sikhs and ethnic Punjabis in Pakistan's Punjab would lead an uprising and revolt, wanting to merge with Khalistan. The Pakistanis would think Khalistan is funding it even though it isn't. So there could soon be a heat up in their relationship. India could take an advantage of that. And yeah Tamil Nadu will reluctantly enter the Union. Also maybe Andhra Pradesh or Goa(Tula Nada) might enter peacefully. Like the Sino-Soviet split. Also Bhindranwale's succcessor and son is no so much anti-India as to satisfy Pakistan's needs. Bhindranwale's son even in OTL is no sikh cleric or Khalistani preacher. He is just a property dealer and has no anti-India feeling. --MC Prank 17:56, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Evil Empire
http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_(Evil_Empire) Its me man, p.s help me with this TL. Once you get associated only then people are gonna give a shit about it. -- MC Prank 17:40, November 13, 2009 (UTC) man p.s. just comment, i know u're busy with DD MC Prank 17:40, November 17, 2009 (UTC) What about this man, I know u're busy, just reminding--MC Prank 15:28, November 19, 2009 (UTC) Man you didn't comment or suggest --MC Prank 15:43, November 27, 2009 (UTC) Thanks man, I'll work on it. --MC Prank 19:39, November 29, 2009 (UTC) I've made improvements, check it out man. --MC Prank 08:19, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Air forces
I can't think of any reason why they couldn't send their bombers and fighters ahead, save political ones. As I am not the expert in their politics, perhaps the creators of those articles could offer more. --DarthEinstein 01:04, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Re: The proposal process
I think we have very different ideas about how proposals should work, then! In my mind, every single page could be expanded significantly at any time. A good example is Samoa. I don't know if I wrote it before or since we started using formal Proposal tags, but it would definitely have been "graduated" long ago, either way. Just the other day I made very big changes to it - mostly government and constitution stuff, but also pieces on the culture, relations with Australia and New Zealand, and quite a bit of political history. And there's lots more I could still add: education, cuisine, language (American or Commonwealth spellings?), the names of the Prime Ministers, major health issues, etc etc etc. And that doesn't even include changes to my prose or spelling, or any images I might want to add. To me, graduation doesn't mean a page is finished, not even close. It means that the basic concept of the country (or whatever) is to be regarded as "true", and the creator can continue to develop the country (or whatever) in the way that he wants. All changes are still open to discussion, of course, but the assumption is that that country is definitely a part of 1983DD, and the author is assumed to be the expert on it.

That's the way I see it, anyway. Benkarnell 19:25, October 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * As a group, we really are still trying to find a good balance between chaotic madness (which we had before we created Proposal tags) and strict central control over content (which, besides being possibly less fun, can turn into a burden for those who have the control). I do feel that we're starting to drift in the direction of the latter right now, as evidenced by the belief that some have expressed that only you (or only an admin) can remove a proposal tag.
 * I think we'll only be trying the impossible if we try to require that substantial changes to existing articles (or concepts) by the designated caretaker get group/admin clearance. If a contributor wants to add pages and pages of material, and it doesn't affect anything outside their borders, I think that can be left entirely to their discretion.  If others read it and object to it, that can be done with normal discussion and collaboration, IMO.  Tagging and re-tagging pages as proposals will quite frankly make too much work for everyone.
 * For changes that do touch on the work of others, I like the approach taken (for example) by Tristan for Galicia. He wants to ad a bit about Galicia and the Celtic Alliance, so he left a message at  to discuss it with Mjdoch.  That might be a good guideline, but I'd personally prefer to not add another Rule.  When an addition touches nearl everybody, like the new South American constitution, it might be nice to drop a note on the main discussion page, but again, I'd rather not have to institute a Rule.
 * Keping things less formal like that would probably lead to some situations where somebody says, "Hey! I just noticed something you wrote six months ago, and I don't like it, can we discuss changes now?" But I don't see that as all bad.  It takes a little decision making power away from the admins.  Our role is (or should be, IMO) facilitators and watcher-overers, not gatekeepers or guardians of the canon.
 * At any rate, the number of pages in the Proposal list has grown insanely large, and from a practical standpoint I think it best not to keep piling on old pages for review. Our little game will start to fee like work!  Benkarnell 21:35, October 9, 2009 (UTC)\


 * Oops, miscommunication. Nobody's trying to give admins exclusive power to decide canon, or anything like that.  But I've read comments that show that people believe that it is that way, that only the admins can remove propo tags, even though that's never been a rule.  Benkarnell 16:38, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

thanks
Mitro, thanks for your work on adding links to the tables on the World Cup thread. I had planned to get around to that when I got some spare time in the middle of the week, but wanted to thank you and tell you your work was much appreciated. --BrianD 19:31, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, thanks for graduating the Vermont article. I'm flattered the community thought enough of it to make it canon.--BrianD 16:40, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Official policy regarding changes to articles by anonymous users
I had an anonymous user change a couple of minor items in my West Texas article this morning.

What is your policy regarding such changes? Are authors expected to roll with any such changes, or is there an expectation that the originator of a concept will have final say over a change to an article, or canon? How is that handled?--BrianD 16:41, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

my article dodw i
my article dodw is suposted to look like a brefing, its set as if the cold war did not end and insted hardline policys were taken by gorbochov, i've got stuff up so I cann't do alot of work on it.

OOOPS!
IT WAS I. HAD. i forgot to login. sorry about that!

nevermind. --HAD 13:49, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about that i thought soviet wouldn't bother with halifax. But thanks for the advise. --DjBarca

Yeah that makes sense. DjBarca

German Southwest Africa

 * The only problem I have with Windhoek being the capital is that it is far in the interior of the area. The refugees would for the time being remain on the coast, and I think they would have a difficult time working into the interior because of native opposition. However, even if they do control Windhoek, its name would likely be changed to Neus Berlin in memory of what is considered to be a destroyed capital, and cultural center, of the german people. Lahbas 18:37, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

policy regarding giving up a proposal to another user
What policy does the community have if someone wants to give up control of a proposal/concept he's created?

I finished a proposal last night and I've found that I really don't have much interest in working with it anymore, especially as it seems to be developing. The concept seems to be meshing with two other users' ideas in a way that makes me believe it may be best if they took my proposal and ran with it on their own.--BrianD 23:27, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

help
i would like to help you on a time line if you need my help contact me i have a intrest in ww2 and 1

help on a Alternate history page
um im trying to make a history page with a sorta confusing DOP it occurs in the land on the northwest shores of the black sea in 380 BC do you think it will work or the DOP is to far off?--Akellos king 02:35, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Cuba
Do you mind if I expand on Cuba? I'll leave the parts that are already canon alone. Cuba will play a large part of the restarted civil war in Costa Rica,which I'll start making in the following week.--Vladivostok 17:53, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

Edit help
I need to remove a category from one of my pages, but cannot figure out how to do it. Diplomacy should not be with the Categories: World War II timeline - I was typing faster than I was thinking. Thanks, Sg647112c 20:54, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
mm, here here it is. I don't know if it is enough good, please help to get it beter....thanks again--Ed9306 02:43, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

In 1521, it was supossed to be that the great Aztec capital, Tenochtitlan, was taken by the Spaniards after 4 hard months of intense fighting. But it wasn't like that, the Aztecs beat this ordeal and were able to break through the European powers, mainly with his old enemy Spain and their southern neighbors the Incan Empire. So The Empire became one of the dominant powers of the world, of course not without one of its major allies: the United States.

Timeline

The Aztec Empire

The Incan Empire

List of Nations

Deleted pages
Yes, please restore those pages if you could. They're clearly going to go eventually, but I want the creator to at least have a fair chance to get the message. Benkarnell 04:21, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Deleted sections on talk pages
I've noticed recently a certain user is deleting entire sections of comments on his talk page and others, comments that are critical, but very helpful, to the discussion in question. Is this allowed?--BrianD 14:36, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

As long as he is not using it to defame other users this is allowed--Owen1983 00:01, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually Owen it is not allowed. Talk pages should be archived, not deleted.  I also fail to see how deleting sections on a talk page can defame someone.  Mitro 01:19, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Chile
Mitro, I was seeing your edits on and found rather odd to extend Pinochet's regime to 1992. I think it can perfectly fit the OTL the defeat he suffers in the 1988 referendum, with the Doomsday scenario. --JorgeGG 17:49, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * OK. I think that the emergency measures would added more to his unpopularity. I'll try to see . Thought I'm still think of a better development of things in . The main problem is that I'm a lazy writer. I'm more an ideas drafter or outliner, then a writer.. --JorgeGG 18:20, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Map of Franz's World
Hi, Mitro. I had a day off today and because I've only been focusing on DD and I do truly appreciate you giving virtually no limit to realistic creavity for FW Greece, I'd love to make a map. But, I do need to know some things first. Mr.Xeight 20:31, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * I started with the Imperial Federation. I colored all of the nations mentioned on the page pink (a color usually designated for Britain) but I have some questions.
 * Does the Irish Free State include Northern Ireland, or is it like in our world, part of the UK?
 * When you say India, does that include Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Burma? I have them added, but it can be easily undone.
 * I added Papau New Guinea, Jamaica, and Bermuda; is that okay?
 * With no World War II, are Korea & Taiwan still part of Japan?
 * The Asian Federation-is that like the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere? So far I have the members in shades of orange-which at the moment is just Japan, Korea, and the Philippines. Anyone else?
 * Greece-I've included what we discussed; but do you think a colonial war with Italy or some other minor power possible?
 * I have the US in blue and the satellite states in light shades.
 * Do Russia still include all the territory t lost after the Fall of the USSR?
 * Did the Chinese Invasion of Tibet ever happen?

Finally, I finished. Mr.Xeight 22:42, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Damn, I completely forgot to fix Germany & Poland! Microsoft Paint is so annoying in terms of saving things, there's no way for me to go back and fix it. Mr.Xeight 22:44, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Enosis
Please excuse my simple sentences and frank nature. I just wrote a letter to you, only to have my computer tell me the Internet has stopped working...
 * Would you prefer Enosis in 1931 or 1949? In '49 the OC proposed it, but as you know the SoW occured in '31. Do you think Cyprus would immediately leave the new Federation, or wait until 1949? They never liked British rule.
 * Greece purchasing a colony somewhere; possible or impossible?

Mr.Xeight 02:53, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

It's not me.
If I get a message when I'm browsing through Call of Duty Wiki again for an edit I didn't do, I'm going to complain to Wikia and/or vandalize the pages I supposedly edited. 10.8.2.214 01:04, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not 10.8.2.215. See! ->72.220.153.202 02:03, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

unfortanatly IP adresses can be used by multiple persons to avoid this hapening you should creat an acount that will be unique to you dont complain to wikia because theres nothing thay can do about it and don't vandelize other peoples work because its not nice and the admins there wiill Block you --Owen1983 01:29, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Situational Irony- An outcome that turns out to be very different from what was expected, the difference between what is expected to happen and what actually does. For an example, see above. Mr.Xeight 01:49, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Welcome
Thank you for the welcome message, but I think you should have a closer look too it. The images overlap the text, so I cannot properly read it. Would you fix this template? Lars Washington 13:11, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Need Help
http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_(Evil_Empire) p.s help me with W.W. II part man. I know you're there

PanAmerican Union (Franz's World)
Wrote PanAmerican Union (Franz's World), see if you like it. Feel free to edit. --JorgeGG 02:01, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

suggestion
You may want to look at the Lincoln talk page. --BrianD 18:01, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Lincoln would want to negotiate for the chunk of Nebraska under NAU control. It is literally the only territory claim they have. I have two proposals, and you can counter.

1.The Lincolnites purchase the territory for a sum of money and a lucrative trade agreement with the NAU.

2.The territory in question holds a plebicite, and votes to join Lincoln.

--Yankovic270 18:16, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Conflict with another user
Left on the Tennessee talk page:

"So do you think your tiny little state in Tennessee is better than mine? That makes me so angry! I have something in common with Virginia. We do not have patience for this kind of thing. Definite answer time: Yes or No?"

It's impossible to work with this guy.--BrianD 00:19, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * Dude, please correct me if and wherever I was wrong in handling this. I didn't intend to whine or not handle issues directly with other people, but I didn't know how else to handle the situation. For that matter, I don't quite know what to do with his last response to me.--BrianD 00:50, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

FYI: Owen1983 took the initiative without talking with me first on having Portland agree to work with Virginia. While I was considering going in that direction, the issue I have here (and that I raised on his talk page) was making such changes to scenarios that he had no hand in creating nor developing. You simply can't have editors doing this sort of thing. I left a message on his talk page but am letting you know so you're aware of the situation.--BrianD 16:30, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Tibet
I couldn't help but notice that my article on Tibet has been stalled a bit in the proposal section. I was wondering,was it because of your comment on a copy edit? If so, I want you to know that I wrote it so similar to the Nepal and Bhutan articles because I wanted to make them cohesive and to complement each other. I didn't mean to copy anything.--Vladivostok 16:01, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well,it was a week or so ago. You remarked that I copy edited something in the Tibet article from the Bhutan and/or Nepal article. To be honest I'm also not quite sure to what you were referring to. The war with Nepal is similar,because I wanted it to be like that--Vladivostok 16:07, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well,oops. Now I know what copy edit means :)--Vladivostok 16:09, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh,thanks for the explanation. I kind of wanted to ask what that meant a couple of days ago,but it sounded like a silly question.--Vladivostok 16:13, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Sicily edits
We did not discuss the changes as such, no. I'll revert the changes and start a Talk page discussion, since we do not work that way. Also, I don't want to proceed much farther without XiReney, who came up with the idea of Sicily. Benkarnell 18:30, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Soviet Defeat
Mitro, could you help make Soviet defeat as popular as 1983:Doomsday? Buk5 08:20, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Soviet defeat Summary
In the Great Terror, the Russian General Gerogy Zhukov becomes a victim of Stalin's paranoia shortly after the Nomonhan Campaign despite his victory over the Imperial Japanese. This leads to a world in which the Soviet Union loses in WW2 and the now aggrandized Nazi Germany and the United States of America face off in a cold war for World Supremacy. The World today is very different from OTL as we see new Alliances, adversaries, Politics and Technology. Enter the world of Soviet Defeat, where China is a Three Party Republic, India is a flourishing superpower with a far more prosperous Latin America and a Neutral Oceania. Witness the events of the Salvadoran Civil War, the Nazi Occupation of Siberia, the superpowers in their struggle for world domination as one false move can lead to the annihilation of more than Earth....

Will this do for a summary? Buk5 19:43, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Why was the my article deleted
I spent a good views hours and put hard work in to it articl was the republic of Iowa --Owen1983 13:26, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I was gone
I kinda left without telling anyone, my computer was broken and I didn't get a new one until recently, I won't be active much but I can actually check in once and awhile

alternative TL (using part of Franz's World)
Mitro would be it be problem if a develop another ATL, but using some of your material? Of course some the names of will be changed. However I want to keep Pan-American Union but in another name space. I want to develop in closed timeline (1914 to 1964) and have someohter ideas. --JorgeGG 01:21, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

Main Page
I made an edits which messed up the page so I performed a rollback and its fine now just thaught I'd let you now--Owen1983 17:12, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Greece Purchasing Colonies
Hi again, Mitro.
 * I've been thinking about Greek colonies, and with the world already being carved up enough, there's no new lands to explore. So, as money talks and gold can take you far; I've begun to think about purchasing. Here are some possible ideas... Generally I'd picture some colonial-tensions scaring the European in-power, and Greece might seize the opportunity to buy up. I'm not suggesting near-stealing of deals, simply purchasing.


 * Eritrea
 * Spanish Equitorial Guinea
 * Cape Juby
 * Ifni
 * Concessions in Tiajin, which if my mapping is right the Japanese own. Not the whole city, only a sector for trade
 * The Gambia

You've noticed all the colonies I've picked out are small, except for Eritrea. Tell me what you think, and if you've thought of a date for Ennosis. If you agree to allow Greece to purchase a colony, I think my land-hunger will be sated. Mr.Xeight 06:01, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

USSR articles
I think that everything has been worked out regarding Siberia. The Alaskan article is obsolete,I'll remove any mention of Alaska from the other articles and I'll reduce the number of people in Siberia. So I think the RSFSR,the Ural Territory and Manchuria should be graduated.--Vladivostok 07:38, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes of course,the map needs to be changed and I already removed any mention of Alaska from the main article and template. I am also redoing the census. The problem is that Hellerick did all the visuals and he hasn't been around lately and I'd like to wait with the map until he gets a chance to redo it.--Vladivostok 15:55, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ben doesn't want to obsolete Alaska without Hellerick's consent,which is fine by me,but there is no objection to graduating the other articles,so... How about it?:)--Vladivostok 20:52, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh,thanks for the heads up, I'll graduate the articles myself.--Vladivostok 05:11, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Virginian Flag Contest
I have a polite request. I ask that you judge the flags posted in the "New Virginian Flag" section of the talkpage. There are two things I politely ask of you.

1. That you vote on which flag is best, given explanations of their meanings 2. Given that "None of the Above" is not an option, you may create a flag design of your own. I will only accept a few designs, as space is limited.

The reason I am not doing so myself is that I am consumed with indescision. I cannot make a final descision to save my life.

--Yankovic270 22:24, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Future of alternate timelines?
I didn't understood very well what did you mean as not allowed future of alternate histories?

The point of setting the althist present in 2049 is not to make a whole conception of a diferent future reality ignoring the principles of alternate history but more of a useful tool to help organize the set of events that took place in that timeline.

The actual content is more or less the changes that took place between 1920s and circa 2010.

The moment of 2049 is more of a maturation of the events which I will use to write another project elsewhere (not in this wiki).

As you can see the main page is rather focused on describing how the world is organized on a general sense rather than what it lookslike in the althist future.

MR.X
i didnt now his situation thanks for telling me Mat iI gave hime the link to contact wikia staff another thing I would suggest is to get Mr X to change his password --Owen1983 20:02, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

A few unrelated topics
I was wondering what was decided on the whole LoN space agency article and would I have to make some changes to the Vostochny Cosmodrome article? And weren't you supposed to be studying and/or getting drunk after your exam at the moment? And I couldn't help but see that your last name was Mitrovich, any Croatian or Serbian heritage? I know that some of these questions are personal, I'm just curious by nature.--Vladivostok 21:49, December 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll ask Xi'Reney on the space agency deal and I've archived the proposal.
 * And FYI, I got your last name from that Facebook group, don't worry, I'm not a stalker.Out of solidarity, I'll also be drunk next Friday. It's a sacrifice, but I think I can manage.
 * And I'll have you know, here in Croatia, police officers don't care what nationality you are. However, they do care about bribes, so it's really a bitter-sweet kind of thing:).

New Rank for the TSPTF
I want to propose a neW position for the TSPTF this would be below constables and I plan to call the position cadets anyone who helps out or tries and has been an applicant for a week  can join --Owen1983 22:16, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * Owen, thanks for your interest, but Mitro's right - you can't just go creating a spot for yourself. We'll consider your application, and appreciate your interest in making the wiki a nice place to visit on the web.  Mitro will be e-mailing me shortly, I'm sure. Louisiannan23:05, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

I soppose I went about it the wrong way but thanks for taking interest louis --Owen1983 23:14, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Dear Mitro
71.142.109.54 - its a good thing to see you, I could use some help in creating my artcile- No Napoleon, all you have to do is create map because wikia won't let met. Would you help?

71.142.109.54-I kinda liked the map for Franz World, but it reallt needs some improvement. Can you also add the territories of Euorpean empire in their shades?

Sports of Ecuador
I'll be happy to do what I can. Let me know any proposals you have on the subject. Obviously soccer is the main sport. Also, w/Ben on break let me know if I can be of any help anywhere else on the wiki.--BrianD 03:31, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

Hello
I'm part of Wikia's spam taskforce and I was only here deleting global spam that was on a couple dozen wikis. Cheers. :) --Charitwo (talk) 15:49, December 19, 2009 (UTC)