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BFE
Crim. Announce your support THIS TURN, or I'm taking MP's offer and joing the Grand Alliance.

I can't wait that long! If I get into war with the Meredians, and the Grand Alliance join me instead of them- and that's what going to happen- then I can't just brush them off!

Hey Crimson Assasin.

You wanna join my new game?

Colonial World (Map Game) Rcchang (talk) 07:58, October 5, 2013 (UTC)

Hey crimson, since BFESB died, can you make a sequel from where we last left off?Ratc3333 Here, Prepare for Combat (talk) 05:59, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

Russia (PMII)
I was planning to tear Russia into five pieces, but I decided not to. It would have given Scraw another thing to bitch about. I just want it to be a guaranteed victory before I commit to it. Will we be able to take the Russian Bear down? As long as we don't go after the former vassals, and we leave a reduced but independent Russia I may consider it. I'm still imagining the annoying whining Scraw will do if we actually pull it off. Yank 21:31, October 5, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah I won't be able to join you in any anti-Russia war because it'd provide Scraw, who thinks himself the almighty protector of Russia, material against me. And Scraw? If you're reading this then I'm going to say that I was only considering a war with Russia. And if war came I wouldn't use mod events to cheat. You're just as big a prick as Viva is. You're bitching about a war that hasn't even happened yet, and probably never will. At least where Scandinavia is concerned.--Yank 21:44, October 5, 2013 (UTC)

Magnam Europae
As you know I am a big fan of this timeline. I was wondering if you needed any help creating a map of Europe, as I would be happy to do this. Any other help you require I would be happy to help with. Thanks, Mscoree (talk) 18:18, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

Sure, what do you have in mind? Mscoree (talk) 19:14, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

Do you mean Balkans? As in 21, 20, 17, etc. Also do you want more of a general map of Europe, or just the HRE itself highlighted? Mscoree (talk) 20:20, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

Here's my first draft for a map of the HRE. Tell me if you see any problems and I'll be happy to fix it. I will also begin work on a general map of Europe shortly. Mscoree (talk) 21:15, October 11, 2013 (UTC)



No problem. Tell me if you need anything else. I already spotted a few errors that I'll work on, and as I said, I'll make a general map of Europe at some point too. Mscoree (talk) 21:20, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

PMII
You might have a problem with revolters in PMII. I advise to crush them, do not make peace with them. Otherwise you will make the Kazakhs stronger in their thinking. Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:00, October 13, 2013 (UTC)

Nothing of the sort. You just need to state your army calms the situation down. How is up to you, genocide might be useful or forced migrations could work too. Spend a couple years in game on this. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 00:20, October 14, 2013 (UTC)

Frankenmapgame
If this will happen, we should start working on it soon.

Greetings Mr. Red Killer. I saw in chat that you needed some pictures of some old timey medieval whatnot, so I set out to find such knowledge within the Google machine. Lo and behold, here are some results:

https://www.google.com/search?q=old+medieval+royalty&rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS547US547&espv=210&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=hlJfUpm5K4Wj4APipoD4Bg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1440&bih=799#es_sm=122&espv=210&q=medieval%20royalty%20clothing&revid=1993972059&tbm=isch

https://www.google.com/search?q=old+medieval+royalty&rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS547US547&espv=210&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=hlJfUpm5K4Wj4APipoD4Bg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1440&bih=799#es_sm=122&espv=210&q=medieval%20royalty&tbm=isch

If all else fails, take Jesus' head from something and put it on someone else, cause Jesus never looks the same in any two pictures, as far as I have seen.

                "I can feel your anger.    It gives you focus...makes you stronger."  03:03, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Re: TSPTF Nomination
Yes, I would appreciate the nomination and the work I could do with such a promotion, and you have my thanks.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 01:58, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Invitation
You are invited to a game on the wiki, Alternate Nations 2, where you make nations turn-by-turn, until you fill up the map. Then we will pick a new map. It is a great casual thing/time waster to do on the wiki. Thanks, Yawgmoth, Lord of the Wastes

FrankenMapGame
If we want to do this, It's time to get to work.

She's up. http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Cthuhlu_Sleeps_(FrankenMapGame)

Doctor, etc.
So long as you can justify it, you could bring it back. I figure a radio program in one of the OBN states would work well.

The CA and Cleveland maps are both more or less accurate. The others really never were. Exeter, and all of Devon, is part of the CA.

Lordganon (talk) 11:39, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

Really do not see the Celts doing anything about it, Crim. Not so much an Irish thing, you know?

Norfolk outside of the Woodbridge/Newolland parts is bandit territory, with small pirate bands. TBA holds a lot of influence/power there. No way there is any communities there.

Lordganon (talk) 09:12, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

I'd guess that such a radio program would be from the more southern states - they're a bit more built up in that regard. Lordganon (talk) 13:52, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Note
Edboy's abandoned the US, so it's all yours... as Canada will be, BTW.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!)  22:04, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

Cthulhu begs you to post.

Partition of Antilla. Meet me on chat. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:18, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

HRE ASB
Esteemed contributor to the Yellowstone TL, I object to the HRE on a number of counts of ASBness.

Please, consider my arguments made here. The entire idea of a united Russia in this TL at the time when it happens is ASB, and I hope you join me in striking it down as obsolete by signing the petition.

Thank You,                 Hasta la vista,   baby.  08:13, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

I need unban please. My Parents made me ban. Please unban Mafia CBA doing his signature. Don't judge Him. This Sig is inspired by Guns. 21:15, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

WHAT THE F**K!!!!????
WHY DID YOU MOTHERFUCKING BAN ME?!Ratc3333 Here, Prepare for Combat (talk) 21:37, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

I DID NOTHING WRONG!!!!Ratc3333 Here, Prepare for Combat (talk) 21:37, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

NOT AGAIN!!!!Ratc3333 Here, Prepare for Combat (talk) 01:44, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Heads up
I sent a request to add u as a contact on Skype. OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM

Gang Republic
Why did you establish a Gang Republic when you state in the same post that they were loyal to the Empire? Yank 21:06, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

Human History Experiment
I'd like to invite you to my new Map Game, Human History Experiment. It takes place on an unknown landmass, and if it can stay plausible will eventually move through 6000 years of human history.Wegscuba (talk) 02:52, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

"Mediation"
I have attempted numerous times to "compromise" or given extremely reasonable conditions to him. He has failed to even acknowledge these, or simply ignores them. At this point, he just doesn't want to listen to rules or the admins.

The idea that some sort of "mediation" is "needed" is, quite frankly, ridiculous.

If he starts in on you or anyone else in the chat, Crim, just block him from it for a couple hours. He knows better.

Lordganon (talk) 15:41, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if you've heard, but I've effectively ended by dispute with Lordganon. We even worked together on making a series of flags recently. I hope that helps to show I am willing to cooperate with other members, and can be considered a part of the team. Mscoree (talk) 21:47, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

For the record, Ms' post there is bull. Completely and utterly. He has not even remotely done that, and it is truly disturbing that he thinks so. Lordganon (talk) 12:14, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

Shame he didn't listen. Lordganon (talk) 15:18, December 4, 2013 (UTC)

Russia PMII
I ask you to please reconsider. I do not want war with China and her people. I merely am defending long time allies from overly agressive eqaulists, despite your position, I would risk a full war with China. I am merely asking for neutrality. I want nothing, no land anything. I only want to help Lx.Trust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 04:09, December 8, 2013 (UTC)

I took from his arguement a with yank that he wants the legit government in place. I will temporarily suspend conflict. I will ask lx what he wants before getting involved. But if he doesn't want Eqaulism, then it will help him. If he does, I'll recognise the government after the civil war. I'm try to make Germany unstable enough to have a revolution too. Can't seem to figure out a good way to do it. I want Germany Eqaulist, but can't seem to find a good way to do it. Perhaps you could help give me ideas?Trust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 06:23, December 8, 2013 (UTC)

Can i please be unbanned, i said it was my last time saying it and almost everyone agreed. OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM

Sci-Fi Empire Fact Sheet Info
I know I'm probably bothering you, but I'm working on something, and was quite interested in getting some info from you regarding what name of empire you create if you could. I've set up a little list for you that I'd like for you to fill out if you had the time.


 * Empire name:  
 * Founding year: <2180-2270>
 * Capital (City, World):
 * Nation symbol: 
 * Total (Inhabited) Systems: <100-450>
 * Estimated population: <100 billion-1 trillion>
 * Government:
 * Current leader: <Title> <Name>
 * Currency:
 * Military name:
 * Military size:
 * Official language(s):
 * Other language(s):
 * Preferred empire color:
 * How is the leader chosen?:
 * How unified is the country?:
 * How tolerant are the people?:
 * What kind of economy is there?:
 * How does the army work?:
 * What's the literacy level?:
 * What's the overall technology?: <Low-tech or high-tech>
 * What do the people worship or invoke?: <Leave blank if none>
 * What's the most admired class?:
 * What's the lowest class?:
 * How are women treated?:
 * What is the attitude toward sex?:
 * What's the most pressing social/political problem?:

Thank you for your cooperation. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 03:55, December 14, 2013 (UTC)

Salutations Crim, I'm not planning to expand towards the HRE but south and eastern Europe i see we may reap plenty of mutual benefits if we ally and cover each other's back. We may discuss expansion on the peninsula for both of us. There are many plotting against you like Naples and a disordered France under Valois.Please confirm your interests.

DatStar (talk) 05:24, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

Can't we work together D: I don't rly want to die and there's nothing where I can go where I'd want to go (rly Naples was one of my last choices) Airlinesguy (talk) 03:15, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

Okay I changed (lol I was never plotting against you I don't know where that came from) now can we be allies? Airlinesguy (talk) 04:32, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

But where can i go?, all the other good or major nations are taked Quashi (talk) 05:07, January 5, 2014 (UTC)

Well you're only a brass (chat moderator) and I am not spamming. And, it is my own blog post, not a useless spam article. Ismael Perez 23:17, January 5, 2014 (UTC)

PMIII
Crimy i need to talk to u about pmiii fast. <font color=Purple face="Algerian">OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM

R u on now  <font color=Purple face="Algerian">OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM

Crimy can u unban me on chat, u did wat i did and got no ban>  <font color=Purple face="Algerian">OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM

Can you at least talk to him. <font color=Purple face="Algerian">OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM

Hey Crim!

We have major problems.

Of CALIPHIAL proportions.

We need to talk somewhere secure.

21:42, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

kk. Though we may not need to go that far, haha. PM on chat will be good enough.

Let's just say that it involves Italy, and a certain troll is looking aquisitively at it.

01:49, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

Hi. I am bored, and have news that will SHAKE THE WIKI TO ITS CORE. But anyway. Could you come on Chat?

Wikias messing with the code so how long was I banned 4, BTW I am telling LG imp called me a owen. <font color=Purple face="Algerian">OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM

Flag in signature
I'm just letting you know that you have a duplicate file as part of your signature. I would request you change it to File:Banner of the Holy Roman Emperor with haloes (1400-1806).svg as soon as you can. I will be removing the duplicate file within a few hours. I will also be telling you that I will not be replacing the many signatures you've already added (so if you'd like to do this yourself, than you are more than welcome to do so). Thank you. -- 19:55, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

No, Actually
Doctor Who? 83DD? Can I make it, or will you?

23:39, January 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry for scaring you (totally didn't mean to do that ^^;). Thank you. -- 21:32, January 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * Also given your wiki-age and etc, how'd you like to be an El Tee?
 * 01:05, January 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, and BTW- MP and I thought that given the giantness of the BFE franchise, it deserved it's own wiki. Scraw liked the idea too. Up to you, though. Please respond.  01:47, January 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not like MP and I will just stop editing it BFE:P.
 * And as for the DW thing, I think he only said that it couldn't be from BBN, it would have to be from something else.
 * Can I recommend actually restarting it in New Britain, though?
 * 22:13, January 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey! Just nominated you for El Tee!
 * 01:42, January 31, 2014 (UTC)

PMIII ploting
I need to tell you more about pmiii ploting be i dont feel safe to leave it on here. I will send you a Skype request to work for extended ploting. <font color=Purple face="Algerian">OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM

This is not helping you guys. At all.

23:03, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

PM3: Call to War
Seeming as the Austrians have finally decided to find a way to attack, it is time to crush them.

I need you and all your vassals to join the war full on so we can crush Austria.

As soon as we win the war I will be able to grant you the southern lands of Milan, so that you can expand your influence and territory there.

Thanks for all help.

Talk on my page or on chat for more info. Also, yes this is a standardised message but I've thought the division through. Kunarian TALK 10:27, February 13, 2014 (UTC)

Banning Problem
Dude, can you mind unbanning me?Ratc3333 Here, Prepare for Combat (talk) 01:54, February 16, 2014 (UTC)

What do you want to talk about? Get me on PMBowties are Cool (talk) 03:45, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations, you are now a Lieutenant in the TSPTF. I would like to spend sometime discussing those powers:


 * You should now notice a red button at the top of every article with the word "Delete". You can use this to delete articles, obviously. Use this power sparingly and always stay within the framework of the Deletion Policy. The policy itself was passed with little discussion, so if you have any suggestions or comments regarding it I would be glad to hear it.
 * You can also block users from editing. This can be done by clicking on the History page for articles or the Contributions tab on editor's user pages. Again, use this sparingly. This is our most destructive tool. We don't have a policy on this, but there is a general custom that has been followed: always assume good faith with edits (unless obviously vandalism), warn before blocking (try using the three strikes approach) and start with short block durations for first time offenders. Generally other administrators will not interfere with your decisions regarding blocks, as long as it appears fair on its face.
 * You will also notice a button on the top of every article that says "Protect". With this you can prevent certain people from editing a single article. The first level prevents anons and new users from editing an article. The second level limits editing only to administrators. Use this to prevent excessive vandalism or to prevent edit wars between users.
 * There are other obscure powers that are not used often. If you have any questions on those or the ones I mentioned above, feel free to ask me.

Again, congratulations on being elected to the TSPTF and good luck.

Lordganon (talk) 15:48, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

Age of Steam
It is not derivative from The Steam Age, but is associatged with railroadsNinjasvswarriors (talk) 14:24, February 22, 2014 (UTC)

I changed the name to Chugga Chugga Choo ChooNinjasvswarriors (talk) 01:09, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thank you for putting the delete template to all those map games I missed. Hell, there were tons!

And I like your userpage lol. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:38, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

Lol. And yeah, it does look pretty good. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:52, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

I'm thinking about resurrecting your Mojave Republic as a freshly founded nation like Keene. It's possible that the area could be re-settled in this day and age. here will need to be major changes, but I think it can work. --Yank 00:50, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

Chat
I'd like to talk to you on chat please. --Yank 01:39, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

BFE
Ratticus has been banned.

BFE game in celebration?

21:12, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

Karaks
Just wanted to let you know that part of your development of karacks has been crossed out. Firstly, carracks aren't even invented yet, and when they are it will be out of necessity, for the purpose of exploring the Atlantic Ocean and the coast of Africa. You have no reason to build such a ship, especially when you claim it is on some sort of futuristic ship. I only crossed out the part about you comparing the karack to the carrack, so you still have built a bunch of ships. The difference is that they are much smaller and similar to already existing ships considering you spent no time actually developing or researching new technology. Thanks, Mscoree (talk) 18:47, March 22, 2014 (UTC)

I don't recall you exploring the African coast, and even if you have claimed to, that in itself is likely implausible. Bavaria, the nation you appear to be citing, has not made any either. Mscoree (talk) 20:54, March 22, 2014 (UTC)

Re: War
You northerners and your wars. Imp (Say Hi?!) 12:47, March 25, 2014 (UTC)

Here is 4454px - in grey. Imp (Say Hi?!) 01:17, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

I hope everything was good and proper. Although I could not get involved in the war - which I am sorry about, I hope that the UNC and Hungary can beter trading relations and such. :)  Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:36, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Warning
It says at the top of the algorithm that it is locked. Don't edit it anyway and say it is in the name of the administration. Mscoree (talk) 00:28, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

Well done, Crim. Considering the warning I had just given him prior to that, combined with his reaction to it, I have extended it. Can't say I didn't warn him what would happen when he screwed up next.

For the record, you guys are right, and Non is just parroting lies.

Lordganon (talk) 15:25, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

No problem. Lordganon (talk) 11:00, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

And now Trollis is parroting lies, imo. Funny. Only thing that saved a block on him there is his claim to have had it be "his own opinion." Not that I by that for a second. The attempts to understand Latin are kinda funny too.

No worries, though, I know they're fibbing about claims as to what you've said.

Lordganon (talk) 15:04, March 31, 2014 (UTC)

At this point with that bunch, I would enjoy it. Cause nothing but trouble. Lordganon (talk) 15:23, March 31, 2014 (UTC)

Really?
Crim,


 * Yes, I know what you said. I was just trying to explain my position and how I believe its mostly unfair how our side is being treated. I would appreciate it if you unbanned me.

Thanks, I am that guy (talk) 00:53, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

Waoh! Um, ok - thanks man! It was completely unexpected, but I would be more than happy to accept nomination. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:37, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

Can I commission you to create for me a user logo thing like you and scraw and the like have? i can't figure out how to do it right. If you can, I would like to make it Dr.Who themed with maybe a tardis or something. IDK how to do that and my attempts these past few days have been failures.[http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User:Andr3w777 ALLONS-Y! ] (Basically, RUN!) 20:39, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

No I mean your user name design. You know with all the fancy shapes and whatnot. For your signature.[http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User:Andr3w777 ALLONS-Y! ] (Basically, RUN!) 13:49, March 31, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the template.ALLONS-Y!! 13:36, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

Wanna eric4e play as Sweden?!
Hi CrimsonAssassin! Looks UNC like as the Kalmar Union, but you have about problem in your contry. Danmark, Norway and Sweden are still in union and so must be historical. Since when you are in 1523, Sweden becomes a independent state and eric4e rules here. So remember that if you reach the year 1523!

Eric4e (talk) 09:54, April 10, 2014 (UTC)

'''Hey! You don't use this for 5 years ago! This will Swedish people angry and tied and wanted Sweden to be an Independent State and just eric4e rules nation here! OK'''

Eric4e (talk) 08:08, June 9, 2014 (UTC)

'''Oh may good! You don't do it this for 50 years ago! Wanna to start the Swedish War for Independence now?'''

Eric4e (talk)10:21, 6 July, 2014 (UTC)

Ok, I give up and stop playing PMIII map game right now, thanks.

Eric4e (talk)17:28, 6 July, 2014 (UTC)

Hey again
Finally managed to find time to spare on the wiki. Looking at the talk page of OCAM, it seems you have something to say? :) --David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk) 15:17, April 10, 2014 (UTC)

Ismael777
He being a real dick. Is he A sock or meat puppet, or cronie of Ratc333?. I reported Ratc333 for a network block yesterday. Thnks for also reporting him today!Whipsnade (talk) 16:02, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

UNC
Change it back, dammit.

21:18, April 19, 2014 (UTC)

I consolidated the UNC in my first ten turns- it was nothing like the Kalmar Union... Noticed the "United"?

12:32, April 20, 2014 (UTC).

Uhh... you press the control and "f" keys simultaenously, then type "UNC" into the box that will popup.

20:26, April 21, 2014 (UTC)

If that doesn't help, ask Alfred, "Bat-Crim".

20:04, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

PM3 Stuff
So, next time you do your post, include the marriage offer so we can get this thing started.

"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 00:59, April 24, 2014 (UTC)

Althistory
Hello CrimsonAssasin,

Yesterday I wrote following to general wikia support:

''I want to inform you that your wikia - http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Ludwig_von_Hiedler_%28A_World_of_Difference%29 - is totally made up without any evidence. Furthermore, I personally feel offended by your 'wikia' as I have the same name and I feel the risk that it could show me and my family members in a bad light. I kindly ask you too remove it from the web.''

In their answer they suggestes to bring this matter up with an Admin directly. I don't want to ruin your crazy story but I kindly ask you to remove it from the web or change the name (Ludwig von Hiedler) entirely.

Thank you, 110.143.246.151 02:07, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, dearie me.

I think it's your job to tell Scraw, Crim.

02:08, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

Plz, back on chat! :(  Imp (Say Hi?!) 12:42, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

Magnam Europae
A few notes that I was going to tell you in chat.

About raids. These weren't organized invasions by a foreign nation. Viking raids were often led by Norse warlords or unlanded folk, who raided for plunder at their own expense and then left, repaying whatever lord or jarl they swear fealty to or were sent by. In terms of raiding Charlemagnes' empire, some believe this was in retaliation for Charlemagne's expansion into pagan lands, forcing Norse to convert or be killed. I'm not sure when (if he even does) Charlemagne does this in your timeline, but that would likely predate major Viking raids.

One of the most successful raids by the Vikings in Francia would be Normandy. The Viking leader Rollo besieged Paris in 911 and established the Duchy of Normandy. Rollo was defeated at the Battle of Chartres primarily by Robert, Marquis of Neustria; Richard, Duke of Burgundy; and Manasses, Count of Dijon. Hervé, the Archbishop of Reims negotiated with Rollo, who entered vassalage to Charles the Simple of the West Franks through the Treaty of Saint-Clair-sur-Epte. This treaty was also was a political move for the French, since it granted Britanny to the Normans, a territory they did not even control and had tried to seize much earlier. Brittany was of course seized by Vikings for a time after Alan I, King of Brittany died, and the Cotentin Peninsula was lost by Brittany to Normandy.

Other than that the Norse had no settlement in Francia, with all other raids intended to seize plunder. The Frankish king's vassals would be responsible for arming their levies and protecting their demesne from attack, but it unlikely that the Frankish would actually mount an invasion into Scandinavia, nor would they be able to hold it most likely.

That brings us to Ragnar Lodbrok. I assume were are talking about the most famous Ragnar (Old Norse: Ragnarr Loðbrók). There are several sources on him, including the Ragnars saga Loðbrókar, the Ragnarssona þáttr, and a few others. I will primarily be referencing the second, known as the Tale of Ragnar's sons, but I recommend you check some of them out yourself. I'm not sure what you've gathered from your show, but based on the chronicles, Ragnar should be in England, not fighting a war with the Frankish.

It is said that Ragnar Lodbrok was finally captured by Ælla of Northumbria, after years of raiding England and France. Ragnar was executed in a pit of snakes, leaving behind many famous sons, including Ivar the Boneless, Björn Ironside, Halfdan Ragnarsson, Sigurd Snake-in-the-Eye, and Ubbe Ragnarsson. His sons were dedicated to avenging their father, so by 865 AD, the Great Heathen Army has landed in the British Isles, invading the four Anglo-Saxon kingdoms that constitute England. Ælla was given the blood eagle (a form of torture performed by cutting the ribs of the victim by the spine, breaking the ribs so they resembled blood-stained wings, and pulling the lungs out through the wounds in the victim's back. Salt was sprinkled in the wounds.) The Great Heathen Army made a number of conquests across the Isles, establishing a few Norse nations, such as Jorvik.

That pretty much sums up my thoughts on the Norse in your timeline. In conclusion, the Frankish wouldn't launch an all out war against the Norse at that time, and not for that reason. If they did they would not be fighting Ragnar Lodbrok most likely, as he should be doing stuff in England.

As for Charlemagne's empire. If Irene is marrying into the Karolins with non matrilineal succession, then they should be respecting the Frankish laws. The Frankish used gavelkind succession meaning that upon death a father's titles were equally distributed among sons. This was useful as it prevented giant succession wars in most cases among sons, but it also had the down side of permanently separating an empire, eg why France, Germany, and Italy aren't all one country. This is kind of a bummer but there's no easy way to just get rid of this system this early in the timeline without it being very implausible and liberal for the time. Also in many cases it's inevitable that when an empire holds such a large region this early in the medieval period their nation drops to the lowest possible crown authority and elective succession becomes the most fair method of succession. An example of this would be the Holy Roman Empire, where vassals became de facto independent despite being de jure one empire. I saw that you had the nation changing these laws because of the Viking War, but again I find that unlikely. Most likely when the emperor dies the "Carolingian Empire" is divided among sons. In OTL this was done by the Treaty of Verdun, which divided Charles' empire (at that point governed by Louis the Pious, Charles' only legitimate son) into a few parts:

Lothair (the oldest) received the central portion which was known as Middle Francia. This was the main section, and included the two imperial cities, Aachen and Rome. It also included the the Low Countries, Lorraine, Alsace, Burgundy, Provence, and the Kingdom of Italy. Since he was the oldest the imperial title also was inherited by him, although he held nominal control over his brothers' lands.

Louis the German received East Francia, including all land east of the Rhine and north and east of Italy. This eventually became the Kingdom of Germany, the largest component in the Holy Roman Empire.

Charles the Bald West Francia, now known as France, including everything west of the Rhône. Pepin II was granted the kingdom of Aquitaine, but only under the authority of Charles.

When Lothair died in 855 his portion was divided again, with Upper and Lower Burgundy (Arles and Provence) passing to his third son Charles of Provence, and the remaining territory north of the Alps to his second son Lothair II. This territory became known as Lotharingia (modern day Lorraine). Lothair's eldest son, Louis II, later inherited Italy and his father's claim to the Imperial title. And through a generation or two we now have essentially divided the Carolingian Empire into several nations.

Anyway, that's pretty much all I have to say for now, but I will add more when I think of more. I hope that helps. Tr0llis (talk) 22:23, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Just as a side note, the Ragnar that raided Paris is commonly called Reginherus, so I recommend you use that name to reference him, especially if its from the Franks' perspective. As for the heathen army, that wasn't lead by Ragnar Lodbrok, it was formed after his death by his sons who sought to avenge him by killing the Northumbrian king and pillaging much of England, a few quotes attributed to Ragnar in the sagas and his death-song Krákumál come to mind, such as "how the little piglets would grunt if they knew how the old boar suffered." Technically he could appear in your timeline since he flourished more so in the middle of the century. Tr0llis (talk) 23:14, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

Please reomve the Nominated for deletion thingy on my althist, Jurassic Invasion. I'm back and wroking on it.

Thank you :)

(talk) 19:38, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Now is fineALLONS-Y!!,Basically, RUN!! 12:18, May 13, 2014 (UTC)

Crim come on chat pleaseALLONS-Y!!,Basically, RUN!! 22:42, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

CTC
Totally in favor. Let's kick some Christian ass!

Also, it's funny, but chat started working for me last night.

20:44, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

Goodbye
Goodbye. Sad to see you go, you've given me chances where I would have had none.

Good luck with all your studies. Dream exponentialy, till this broken universe can't hold you back.

This has always been the song I've associated with Of Clockwork and Men.

Live life to the full and if you're ever in London, pop a message up and perhaps I'll hop on a train.

David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk) 15:59, May 16, 2014 (UTC)

Vassals
I never said you couldn't get any of your vassals back, I just wanted Bremen. Albion was the one who wanted Holstein and Hamburg, we were giving you Hansa, Mecklenburg, and Pommerania. Blocky858 (talk) 20:55, May 16, 2014 (UTC)

royal engagement
i meant about 9 years from now william is only 10 right now and still needs another 5 years to become and adult, i was reffering to secure a royal alignment between the netherlands and scandinavia. With Blood and Iron (talk) 19:43, May 18, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Stooge?
Crim, I am really happy you are back. :'D

Okay, once again I am being warned by the admin for being too rude to new editor. I must admit that sometime I get paranoid over the new user is can be a vandal, a spammer, a troll, or a sockpuppet. Every time I notices something strange with the new user, I will directly into his/her talk page and send an unworthy message.

LG and Nuke already warned me to tone down my temper and my paranoid over new user. But somehow, I can lost of control. I feel I must fulfilling my duty as a soldier in the frontier of war against vandalism and spam, but honestly I do not how to act nicely and correctly.

I think this is really a problem for myself. I really have a low temper control if I facing a new user. If you think I am overreacting and too paranoid, I will leaving this wiki for three weeks so I can calming myself and get a self-introspection. :'(

FirstStooge (talk) 05:53, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

I admit myself I have gone a little over my head with all of these Ratc stocks, and I will calm it down a little of the "Witch Hunt" of Ratc. Saturn (Talk) 05:56, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

whisperback

 * I replied to your message here — RogalDorn 06:34, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Macedon-Ptolemy relations
hey we need to evaluate our relations in the restart i think i have an idea that could work for us both

Hop on chat for a second? Cour *talk* 15:49, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Talk
Only really on in the early evening, early morning, or night Central Time. Whether it is the evening/morning or night depends on the day. Will be around tomorrow night, and then the evening/morning the next few days after that. Lordganon (talk) 17:36, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Russia war
Hey, I just wanted to tell you thanks for making me part of the war, I am now in Russia currently and I hope that I can gain some territory, and at least make Novgorod Landlocked and dependant on me for trade and whatnot. I might be able to edit tommorow aswell, but I have a timezone, right? anyway, it would be nice if you could edit for me...you know...if you post and I have nothing, feel free to do to pskov whatever makes it better and richer and more technologicaly advanced.m'kay? -Lx (leave me a message) 10:52, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

Civilizations: The Dawn Resumption
Hi!

So, if you may have heard, Civilizations: The Dawn, the map game over at mapgame.wikia, will be resuming tonight, July 3, and it'd be great if you will come back and resume playing. Thanks!

Cookiedamage (talk) 23:54, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Your dispute with Eric4e
Those Weren't Literally warnings but Warnings So He Would Stop Deleting my Messages to the TSPTF Talk Page. i writed to the TSPTF That Imperial machines were Invaild Because of This timeline starts from 1893 to the future    Which Isn't Allowed here. but he deleted the messages before others could see it. BTW Look At What the Main Page Says       ''Any and all original alternate histories are permitted here. You are welcome to contribute any pages you wish, whether it be a minor sketch of an alternate history or an entire story that's fully-fleshed out. Should you have suggestions or material you'd wish to add to an existing alt-history, please contact the author to discuss integration, or propose it on the discussion pages. Please make sure you understand the typical definition of Alternate History, found in the What is Alternate History page. While Future Histories are interesting, as is Science Fiction, these are not within the scope of our wiki. Note that only those timelines which are created by the author should be posted and not those which are derivative work. Note that at the begining of the Imperial Machines Portal Page it says that its sci-fi and that the timaline will go from 1893 to the Future.Likercat (talk) 19:36, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

PMIII
I want to return to PMIII. Specifically as Thailand. I believe if I politely ask Fed and Sine, I could return. But I'm asking you first since you seem like a reasonable young man. ;) Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 17:15, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

An Apology
Dear Crim,

I just wanted to send you an apology since you weren't on chat the other day. I'm sorry for my annoying and dumb behavior. Truthfully the war was a mess, and it was because of me. For that I apologize to you and I hope I can repair my reputation as a contributor in the future.

The other day I was a bit embarrassed to show up in chat, mostly because I was afraid of the ridicule that would follow. I tried to explain my story a bit, which I will explain here since you were absent.

Basically, it all started several weeks before the game started, when rumors were spread about me. Local, a player in Australia, for one made up this lie about me planning to betray all my current allies that I struggled to debunk, but there were others. Everyone distrusted me and some called for me to be impeached/banned before turn one. Someone, not sure who, told a lot of people bad things about me, so much so that Cookie, my current friend, admitted to me that he thought I was a horrible person and needed to be eliminated, until he actually talked to me. Cookie and the several other people who have confessed this to me, also said they weren't sure why they got this impression, but were just told so. Because of this on day one I swore to protect all the people who hated me. Since then many have become "cronies", and I am glad I was able to protect them for a time. I felt bad and just wanted to make them have an enjoyable game. Truthfully I never wanted to play PM3. I knew it would only bring about bad things, but I made a promise that I wouldn't give in to the rumors, and would try to prove all these people wrong. As Sine said, in the end my constant aiding of others has caused my downfall. Maybe I go, but I am glad that for a time others were able to play and be prosperous.

I spent the whole game catering to a certain few, and as part of the agreement I took the fall, hence the "ms cronies". I thought I was doing good, but at this very moment I don't know anymore. It has come to my attention that people who I thought were my real friends were in on this the whole time. Certain "allies" in Germany may have planned this whole thing. I was never supposed to play as Austria, that land was for someone else, and after months of being used and manipulated by this group, they have gotten it. I guess I never stopped to look around and realize what they were saying. I essentially was like a bodyguard, and a spokesperson, for an unknown person. I feel kind of ashamed, because for a time I thought they were my actual friends, but now I don't know what to believe.

For decades the only fun thing about PM3 for me has been stuff like debating on the Reichstag floor and exploring jungles for Spain in search of gold. It was really just the roleplaying aspect that helped me to move past all the other things. Now all that is being taken away, and I'm not sure what I have left. I think I should just do what people having been saying; maybe it's best if I just moved on. You said yourself I was so many things on the mod page, things I don't think I will ever live down. It really bugs me, which is why I think it's better if I avoid some big event and just quietly fade away. Just say the word, honestly.

Please just don't make fun of me. This isn't a rage quit or what have you. I'm not mad at all. I just think it's for the best that you know these things. I messed up really badly. I don't even remember half of the "shitstorms" since I was kind of 'out of it' if you know what I mean. I don't even know if these strings of characters make any sense. I guess it's kind of like how a million things come together just right and give birth to something wonderful. Every once in a while the moment is right, and it's best that no sadness or guilt be felt. Go on and have a great time at university, and a great career there after. I know you will do good. For some it's too late. Mscoree (talk) 17:28, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

Treaty of Regensburg
Here's a link that leads to the treaty I made to end the war in PMIII. Cookiedamage (talk) 01:16, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

Can you pop back into chat for a few more mins? Cookiedamage (talk) 22:41, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

PM III Charter Colony aka the Avalon Company or something like that
Hello, I would like to ask you if you would like to support a charter colony for the New World. While I know this hasn't been done at all, I think, I did ask permission from some of the mods if I could do this and they said yes. Anyways, I thought it would be a good idea to include charter colonies because many of the colonies that were founded in the New World weren't all from state sponsered projects. If you like the idea and are willing to support please message me back but if not please message me back and explain why. Thank you for reading this far.Grantzu (talk) 03:05, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Would you mind coming on chat? Tr0llis (talk) 14:08, August 1, 2014 (UTC)

Chat?
Jump on chat for a min? Cookiedamage (talk) 23:59, August 9, 2014 (UTC)

Royal Marriage Proposal
Hi, I'm contacting all the major nations in Europe in PM3 to tell you about some royal marriage proposals available this turn, for three different royal families. On my turn there are currently fifteen people who are looking for a spouse, simply reply to my turn as soon as you can to reserve a person. I will be looking over the proposals to try to avoid incest (although a little incest never killed nobody haha), and if you'd like to see family relations yourself, feel free to check out this page, where the family tree is located. If you would like further information or my recommendations for a particular person, message me back with your available children and their ages and I will get back to you as soon as possible. Thanks, Mscoree (talk) 15:43, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not trying to tie anyone down with these royal marriages,  I mostly just want to marry off some people. Some of the people are from different families, or are very obscure relatives. For example the only ones that are particularly close to Austria are the first few, involving Leopold. If you have a list of royals I'd be happy to look it over and set if we can make some matches. If we can't find anyone I'm sure we could always do something in the future. Thanks, Mscoree (talk) 19:01, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

Land Purchase
Hi Crim, I was wondering if I could purchase the territory of Ingria back from Scandinavia. This is the small part that contains St. Patriksburg, which as you know was very special to both Razor and myself. I of course don't want any conflict with you, as my five decade long peace with you (which was proceeded by several more decades before the coalition), would show. I simply want to buy back this small territory so I could get back to roleplaying for the city. What do you think? Fritzmet (talk) 19:41, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

Finnish
Rex took over as the Rebellious finns and i cant cross out the event now -.- So your gonna want to put him down sorry for any inconvenience but theres not really much of a choice here. He thinks hes gonna be gaining all of Karelia and the rest of Finland etc etc.

Retcon
I have an idea that you may find interesting, a final solution about our dilemmas in the HRE can you please come in chat when you get the opportunity? Sine dei gloriem &#34;Ex Initio Terrae&#34; (talk) 15:19, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

Confederate/Texan Relations
I'll put it into consideration as the game progresses, however, Texas abolished slavery in 1851 in the game ("Ordinance of 1851"). As of now, Texas is in a 7 year NAP with the United States. It's set to expire mid 1850s. Unless, slavery is not (or not the only) main reason for the American Civil War in the game, there is a slim chance that Texas will be allies with the CSA. However if things get rocky between the relations the United States, I might be your ally once the CSA forms. It all depends on how the game progresses.

Treaty
Here is the treaty I prepared for our war. Also I added two things putting in writing that you will withdraw from Prussia. Not that I don't trust you, but just in case I wanted to make sure you wouldn't pull a fast one and reinvade Prussia immediately. Hopefully we can move on and the three of us can be allies again like the good ol' days. Let me know what you think. Tr0llis (talk) 22:35, September 2, 2014 (UTC)

reaserched
No! It's researched.

Bil

EoGuy (talk) 23:51, September 26, 2014 (UTC)

re:reaserched
Sorry about that, Chief.

Bil

EoGuy (talk) 01:09, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

RE:Spelling
welp, that might be because I copy-pasted that part of the turn multiple times...and overlooked that spelling error because quickness and not a lot of time and internet...well...looks like its time to fix that...thanks for the notice.-Lx (leave me a message) 02:18, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

Got time to talk?
Hey, if your not busy (or sleeping), I need to speak to you real quick. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 02:58, September 30, 2014 (UTC)

Important
Crim, I need to talk to you as soon as you are available.

"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 18:24, October 13, 2014 (UTC)

PMIII Stuff
Jump on chat real quick? I have something to ask you. Cookiedamage (talk) 20:41, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

Need you in chat
Crim, come back to chat, need to speak to you about BFE. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 19:23, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

stuffs
You still around? Care to join me on the CTD chat? http://mapgame.wikia.com/wiki/Civilizations:_The_Dawn

Its kinda important, like Id rather not be on althist chat. Cookiedamage (talk) 23:58, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Share our visual editor hate
You can click on the arrow next to the edit button. There's an option for Classic editor. This is the older visual editor.

As an admin do you know who decided to use this stupid editor? Can you ask him/her to revert things back to the old editor. Or at least make a discussiom whether should we move back to the 'classic' editor. Thanks.

Btw, I'm glad to have you as a part of my map game. Your experience and sense of humour will bring a new colour to the game.

Regards, Laptop Zombie 15:38, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Visual Editor
Sorry for snooping around, but I noticed you had some issues with the visual editor. I don't like it either, and luckily I found a way to fix it. Go to your preferences (if that link doesn't work, you just hover over your profile in the top right and click it there), go to editing, and select source mode or the old visual mode as your editor of choice. I did this and now every time I click edit it automatically goes to source mode. I hope that helps to fix your problem. (And yes this is the same message I've sent to multiple people, didn't realize you had a problem as well.) Thanks, Mscoree (talk) 20:09, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Cookie
I did apologize to Cookie. He rejected my apology. At that point, there is nothing I can do. I stated that he was behaving like a child, and I apologized for that. If he doesn't accept my apology, that's sad for him.

00:23, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

I have my own opinion which I am entitled to. If I didn't mean it I wouldn't have said that. Furthermore I thinks he knows my appology would be a lie seeing how you requested it from me. Like Guns said  " If you act like idiots, then the whole wiki suffers." I cannot be dealing with that amount of bullshit which I see now on the TSPTF page, and it just keeps happening and happening. Stop giving them chances. There is an entire Internet's worth of sites to troll if they want to troll, but if I know they are trolling then I will call them out, shun them and not let them drag this place down. There is no reason to put up with this crap as the wiki hardly benefits from them, just be done with them. Just compare the arguements of the old days to how it is now.

Also don't forget to sign your posts ;) <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 02:22, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

... Lol. No words. Cookiedamage (talk) 02:48, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

Cookie has said that he will apologize.

So hush, Crim. Guns knows what he's doing. God, can you name ONE situation where my actions have led to a clusterfuck? Yet still, no one trusts me.

03:19, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

I admire your innocence. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 03:39, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

PMIII industrialization
Hey in terms of PMIII are we doing regional industrialization like we said where it would be Northern Iberia or Southern France (due to France and Spain being neck and neck really) or are we doing a Singular nation because it really makes no sense for the nation that invented the steam turbine and exclusively bought it out and made improvement to it, to not be a first industrializer. France in its own right can industrialize but it seems likely that both would industrialize at the same time as eachother.

From what I recall, based on discussion I had with MP, Sky, and a few others, France would start industrialization. Of course Spain can definitely start industrialization, but so can France. France also has the added benefit of being a great power centrally located around other great powers, such as Spain, Britain, Scandinavia, Bavaria. After beginning in north central France, industrialization would then spread outwards from there, coming to Spain and the Netherlands within a matter of a decade or so, then to Britain and German lands, and from there to Rome and the Balkan regions and the rest of the east.

What we discussed was industrialization starting in a region rather than just a country. By region, we theorized the Baltic area, Bavaria, the Balkans, French and Dutch lands, and Iberian areas. We eventually landed on northern France as a plausible place to begin industrialization.

So yeah, Spain could start industrialization, but so could France, so why not France alone for the first decade or so? Cookiedamage (talk) 03:49, November 29, 2014 (UTC)

Industrialization Map
Hey do you have that industrialization map together yet? i need it to post for the Industry algo stuff so people know where they stand

Mind if I give a little imput on the map, or do you and Feud have it sorted between yourselves already? Cour *talk* 05:49, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

Coast
Hey crimmy, I saw the draft of the pm3 industrialization map and I wanted to ask if atleast part of the Croatian coast could be orange? Because those parts were those on which I focused while improving many aspects such as my navy (with help of Britannia and France since 1540s) and cities such as Trst (Trieste) were pivotal trade points and stuff like that. <font color="#FF0000">S <font color="#3C8D0D">k <font color="#FF0000">y <font color="#3C8D0D">G <font color="#FF0000">r <font color="#3C8D0D">e <font color="#FF0000">e <font color="#3C8D0D">n <font color="#FF0000">2 <font color="#3C8D0D">4 <font color="#FF0000">( <font color="#3C8D0D">P <font color="#FF0000">, <font color="#3C8D0D">Q <font color="#FF0000">) 10:08, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

Britannian Succession war
I need you to look at the 1720 event and pick what your doing in the Britannian war of Succession. Its implausible for you not to be involved to some degree cause of previous close ties not to mention the fact its a European great power that would make a great ally that could help in the conquest/retaking of various areas.

P.S. please propose a few new events on the page so me and sky arent doing all of them.

Trollis
So it seems that Trollis didnt heed your warning and continued to make his baseless accusations etc etc on the PMIII talk page. may we do something now??

So it seems Feud is losing an argument and now wants you to ban me even though I haven't made any accusations, baseless or not after your comment (I said a single sentence in the entire discussion, and it was directed at Callum, later agreed to by Feud). Yes let's do something, ban a random guy so that Feud can go unopposed and validate his power. Let's see who the TSPTF serves. Thanks m8, Tr0llis (talk) 03:09, December 31, 2014 (UTC)

Your making the baseless accusation that i removed scan from his position of Mod and You were told to stop. I never agreed, and mostly just said thay Callum would need to go through the same process. Your implication was pretty obviously a dig at the rumour that i tried to remove scans modship myself rather than consulting.

Sorry, I don't mean to cause an argument on your talk page, Crim. I think Feud wants an excuse to ban me here, even though ironically he is making a "baseless accusation" that I was accusing him of such thing. In reality I was trying to say that Callum will "go the same way as Scan", ie have to be voted in too. Feud even said below "In all aspects we should probably discuss this with Callum as well to facilitate him being voted back onto the mod squad.", and that's exactly what I was saying. Regardless, notice I haven't said a single thing since, and heeded your warning. Anyway, hopefully this stops here. Tr0llis (talk) 03:26, December 31, 2014 (UTC)

PMIII
We need to talk about something important in terms of the game. Let me know when is convinient

So i got a coalition algo against me thats pretty much 90% of the game. If that doesnt scream meta idk what does, but due to the fact they wont even let me argue it (im guarenteeing it, even a place they didnt invade is being partitioned somehow) Im just resigning. Seems to me people go out of their way to make something fair that isnt supposed to be fair. Anyways enjoy the rest of the game i doubt ill rejoin since pretty much the entire game decided to act in unison and wipe me the hell out.

Quietly into the Night
The Game has started please post and enjoy the game

Novum Saeculum
Just a note that Novum Saeculum is starting soon.

My Chat Ban
Since you don't know what actually happened, allow me to explain using bits of the chat log.


 * 1 PM to 8 PM - I make a coat of arms for Cookie. Chat is peaceful.
 * 7: 56 - Fed joins chat
 * 8:03 (Fed pretty much starts the argument with various lines like this) Fedelede: says the person who called up a sockpuppet from 9 month retirement @trollis
 * 8:05 - Tr0llis - Every single time you run people complain about "sockpuppets" coming out of no where to vote for you, but at the same time people like Kath come out of no where to vote against you...
 * 8:06 - Fedelede - Kath checks this wiki almost daily, just because you barely step outside the cesspool that PM3 has become doesn't mean he doesn't have a right to vote man
 * 8:07 - Tr0llis - 1. I haven't played PM3 for about 200 years straight, less than you have overall. 2, How do you know Razor doesn't check the wiki daily? 3. Of course he has a right to vote! So does Razor! How come you can complain about Razor voting, but I can't complain about Kath?
 * Some arguing about Kath followed, as well as Lynx rapping.
 * 8:08 - Fedelede - before PM3 was a cesspool... [Definitely not antagonistic towards the people who work hard on PM3 or anything]
 * 8:09 - Tr0llis - Yeah before PM3 was a cesspool, and you could just annex Moscow on turn one lol
 * 8:09 - Fedelede -and Tr0llis you have no right to complain
 * 8:09 - Mscoree - I don't think he is complaining to be honest [My first comment in this whole thing]
 * 8:09 - Tr0llis - You're the one complaining, you said PM3 was a cesspool lol
 * 8:09 - Fedelede - PM3 is a cesspool i'm just saying facts
 * 8:10 - Tr0llis - No, that's an opinion. What I said was an actual fact
 * 8:10 - Fedelede - nnope
 * 8:10 - JoshTheRoman - Well That actually is an opinion
 * 8:10 - Mscoree - Fed it isn't literally an underground holding tank...that's not a fact
 * 8:10 - Tr0llis - Fed it's an opinion lol Me recounting actual events in the game chronologically are facts...
 * 8:11 - Tr0llis - Am I being trolled
 * 8:11 - Fedelede - are you calling an admin a troll
 * 8:11 - Feudalplague - oh my god drop it
 * 8:11 - Mscoree - I'm pretty sure he was asking ff he was being trolled, not calling anyone anything.
 * 8:11 - Feudalplague - this whole "decide to shit on fed" thing can stop
 * 8:11 - Fedelede - ^
 * 8:11 - Tr0llis - ...
 * 8:11 - Fedelede - thaanks
 * 8:12 - Tr0llis - Fed just joined and started shitting on us...All I did was defend myself with literal facts from PM3
 * 8:12 - Feudalplague [I will piece this into one part]: you got an uppity bullshit attitude and acted like an prissy little bitch so yeah seriously fuck you you are literally unbearable that your an unbearable prissy bitch that complains when he doesnt get his way thats pretty possible
 * 8:12 - Mscoree - Oh my
 * 8:12 - Fedelede -what Feud said
 * 8:13 - Tr0llis - Okay now I actually am being trolled
 * 8:13 - Fedelede - no you're not you're just unbearable
 * 8:13 - Feudalplague - no your being told that i absolutely despise you
 * 8:13 - Tr0llis - Um cool story Feud
 * 8:13 - Feudalplague -no fuck you
 * 8:13 - Feudalplague - you pick the worst times to fuck with people or be a troll
 * 8:14 - Tr0llis - How can you even say that I am a prissy bitch complaining that I don't get my way, when all I did was say that PM3 wasn't literally a tank of sewege lol if anything isn't Fed complaining in that situation? [At this point Tr0llis literally stopped all communications in an attempt to be mature and end this. Feud continues.]
 * 8:14 - Feudalplague - [Second rant, pieced together] im drawing it from your entire history of bullshit on here since no admin will actually im saying it you literally dont deserve to have the free speach you have. You use it to troll and be an asshole. Sorry if im letting emotions speak to some degree but im absolutely done with it Fed hops on and you decide to shit on fed with a group of people fucking say anything like for real im an asshole
 * 8:15 - Harvenard2 - I see Feud is having his daily rant in which he personally attacks people while at the same time complaining about personally attacking people....
 * 8:15 - Feudalplague - but guess what i dont use fucking groups to rail against people [His ganging up on Tr0llis says otherwise. Tr0llis btw is still silent]
 * 8:16 - Fedelede - Feud, thanks for that I really appreciate it
 * 8:16 - Feudalplague - yall use your entire crony system to rally people and go against whoever is your target for the day [that system apparently is still silent]
 * 8:16 - LightningLynx89 - Feud see how Tr0llis isn't talking he has more maturity than you
 * 8:16 - JoshTheRoman - lmfao Tr0llis You've earned my respect
 * 8:16 - Feudalplague - no he really doesnt
 * For the next several minutes Feud goes on another rant at Tr0llis. At this point basically all of chat (Lynx, Josh, myself, Harv, Toby, Edge, etc) except Fed are trying to get him to stop. Feud is even kicked. 
 * 8:18 - Harvenard2 - Feud you complain about Tr0llis trolling when he is literally sitting here quietly. You complain about him attacking people when you are literally typing out a long paragraph of insults. You complain about a crony network used to gang up on people when you are literally ganging up on Tr0llis...
 * Feudalplague - no im a fucking man that might have just lost the girl he was talking to in a fucking car accident. [Feud is clearly a bit worked up [Feud is clearly worked up, I suggest he calms down]
 * 8:18 Feudalplague so sorry if im fucking annoyed at trollis being a fucking prick all the time
 * 8:18 Mscoree Feud you might want to take a break
 * He continues
 * 8:19 Harvenard2 Why don't you just take a break from chat...
 * Feudalplague - oh my god how about you just fucking leave your a god damned problem
 * 8:21 Mscoree Feud, again, you might want to take a break, if chat is angering you so much
 * 8:21 Feudalplague no im fucking angry cause it can never be fucking casual! yall cause shit every time i dont even have to be here the whole sat porno thing i wouldnt put it past you to have fuckign framed him
 * Tr0llis still hasn't said anything, he finally says "is this still going on?"

This goes on for a while, but I think that's enough. In conclusion I did no trolling whatsoever, and was not intimidating or insulting. Instead I had to put up with a night of constant insults from Feud, for which he will not be punished. It seems that just because I am running for constable you bring this up, on the page in fact, when in reality you do not know any of the facts. I imagine you came on and Feud PMed you, and you complied. I hope you at least find out what actually happened (I have the rest of the logs if you want). As far as I can tell though, several members in chat were actually praising me on chat for trying to defuse the situation, while Feud constantly attacked people, and Fed seemingly further instigated people, by saying stuff like "says the guy who...!". If you really think I deserve a ban in your unbiased opinion, so be it. Mscoree (talk) 02:17, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

this is over a year in the making here. He has been insufferable since before PMIII started as have multiple other of the Crony group. It all spilling over on somebodies bad day was bound to happen, especially since Trollis, LL (to a lesser degree) and Harv were all making concerted efforts to make people look bad this past week. Me multiple times (by ganging up on me and just saying 5 things to my one,) Fed, by also ganging up with the legitimate phrase "Get shit on" actually in the chat, and then Sat where he was accused of writing a porno of ms that the cronies coincidentally presented to the rest of the user base. Yeah this is warranted. As much as guilt by association is kind of messed up, you should have learned over a year ago that your friends get you in trouble for the blind loyalty among other things.

To be honest i wont be punished because ive finally had a shitty enough to day to say what multiple people have wanted to say for over a year. I might be risking reputations and respect over it but it takes me an immense amount to get pissed at someone. The fact they do it every time were on at the same time (during which i have no issues or minor issues with other users) just goes to show that the Trollbaiting is real. Crim for a fact got 3 seperate high level and respected users telling him people needed a ban the minute he got on. The fact this wasnt done by fed earlier (even though it could have been biased) is amazing. To be honest, you guys need to learn to control your attitude and what you say because your "holier than thou" attitude that the majority of the cronies have constantly is extremely and utterly annoying. I have it every once and awhile but im not a consistent with that attitude and i dont constantly make underhanded comments about a persons inteligence. You might be smarter than someone in a particular way but it doesnt give you the right to flaunt it constantly.

Dear Crim, executor of my ban. I thought it would be a good time to voice my concerns. To be honest I do not understand your reasoning for these bans, from a logical standpoint. You were simply not there at the time, but I believe any unbiased moderator would not have banned in such a manner. The claim that Feud and three others immediately told you to ban Ms, I find, is practically impossible. Not including the people who were directly telling Feud to calm down and were against a ban, you have Fed. No other users come to mind, and I imagine (I could be wrong) that Feud told you this. From what I understand several of the remaining users on chat have all come out in saying that they had no part in this. It is very strange that these people would immediately tell you to ban Ms, since they had after all just went through what Feud was doing. I'd imagine that any neutral user would if anything report that. I also object the banning of said users on (if what you say is true) a few users' rumors. It almost leads to believe that you favor Feud's testimony over another user.

Then let's talk about the reasoning for my ban. I don't see how you can possibly say that I was intimidating or harassing by literally being silent. If you find that intimidating then maybe you are very easily overpowered. But then again that doesn't make sense, because then wouldn't you be intimidated by the long rant by Feud, in which he used numerous curses and personal insults? It is all written on neutral accounts; Feud personally attacked me and other users. Ironically he complained about how people attack and gang up on him, while he proceeded to attack and gang up on me. I see zero evidence of me attacking Feud once during that chat that would provoke him, he just decided to attack me. Furthermore he attacks me like this every day; every day he apparently reaches his breaking point and decides to reopen this. It was at this point that multiple people; Lynx, Josh, etc, told Feud that he needed to calm down. I decided to remain quiet. I was praised for my maturity when I walked away from this, Ms was praised for his ability to defuse things. Yet we are banned, while Feud is not.

Tr0llis (talk) 03:46, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

AvA
I need you to fund me technology and weapons so I can restore the byzantine empire. I play as Yugoslavia. I will repay you by helping you take down Germany. We can be allies. - Scarlet Outlaw.

Axis v Allies
Hi, I'm Canada in Axis vs. Allies. There's some stuff I need to discuss with you. Could you chat and do a private message?

AVAR
It has started. The River Nile-2 (talk) 21:18, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Axis_vs_Allies_Resurrection_(Map_Game)

Hey, I am kinda scared of Toby. If he invades Papua New Guinea, should we go to war? Spartian300 (talk) 21:12, February 27, 2015 (UTC)

PM Return Queries
I need to speak with you on chat at the earliest convienence. It is in regards toward my possible return to the game.FOR THE GLORY OF THE PARTY! 19:03, February 25, 2015 (UTC)

Re: MS
Well done, and good length. Seem to recall it's what I said he would get next time. Lordganon (talk) 03:10, February 26, 2015 (UTC)

Stuff
Can you get on chat soon? I want to discuss a few things.-Lx (leave me a message) 20:59, March 29, 2015 (UTC)

Chat
Really? I joined chat and was literally there for like a minute. What did I possibly do to deserve a ban...Harvenard2 (talk) 21:23, March 30, 2015 (UTC)

Um not in the slightest. I was just talking to Tr0llis about his map game, what did I do to deserve a chat ban? It was just him and I talking and I was naming Greek city states, what the hell is this for? Harvenard2 (talk) 21:28, March 30, 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry if showing an interest in a map game is no longer allowed. I literally joined chat, asked what they were talking about. Tr0llis said a map game about the Ancient World, and I wanted to play as a nation. What did I possibly do that was illegal, by simply asking about the game? I had no idea what happened before, I was just asking about a map game. Harvenard2 (talk) 21:36, March 30, 2015 (UTC)

IM on chat now, if you could please come on that would be great.-Lx (leave me a message) 00:39, March 31, 2015 (UTC)

Can you at least tell me what it is that I allegedly did? I seriously have no idea. The block log doesn't seem to give any hints. I was not trolling, I didn't even know what was going on. I just joined chat and a minute later was banned. Please at least answer me. Harvenard2 (talk) 00:41, March 31, 2015 (UTC)

THing
im on now, really important that I talk to you, hope you're online...am on chat now...-Lx (leave me a message) 00:15, April 1, 2015 (UTC)

in case you were waiting im on now.-Lx (leave me a message) 02:48, April 1, 2015 (UTC)

U mad
brah you mad brah, six mounths for lying. Lying is bad but it can be handled in other ways. Like small bans. brah u cool and everything but you need to calm youself cause you spaz and cause exsive stuff when you and Mscoree are brothas. he even has told me he admires you most of anyone on theis wiki. <font color=Purple face="Algerian">OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM

PMIII
Hey Crim, I was hoping you could sign the Treaty of Reykjavik (Principia Moderni III Map Game) to resolve our war. If you want to add some terms or renogotiate parts, please do so, but I think it should resolve our tensions. Shikata ga nai!

can you go onto chat ASAP please?-Lx (leave me a message) 22:57, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I'm Revolution 9 and I'm new on this wiki. I was wondering if I could play as Yuan China in the next game after PM3. I do have some experience with map games and have over 500 edits on Map Game wiki but I'm new to this wiki and only have about 100 edits I think. Just wondering. Also, I really like mapmaking so I was wondering if I could be a mapmaker for that game. Please respond on my talk page. Thanks! Revolution 9 (talk) 16:37, September 3, 2015 (UTC)

PM4
Is there the Incan Empire in that game. Can I be it.

Awesome history 28 (talk) 18:43, September 16, 2015 (UTC)

PM4 request
Can I be <span style="font-weight:normal;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.4px;">The  Tuʻi Tonga Empire<span style="font-weight:normal;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.4px;"> or  Tongan Empire  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuʻi_Tonga_Empire

<span style="background:-webkit-gradient(linear, left top, right top, from(#B8860B), to(#DEB887)); border:4px ridge grey; -webkit-border-radius:0em 0em 0em 0em;">     <span style="text-shadow: 1px 1px 2px brown, 0 0 1em #000, 0 0 0.2em #0FF; color: white; font: 1.5em Cambria, serif; text-align: center; font-variant: small-caps;">Jbwncster <span style="text-shadow: 1px 1px 2px brown, 0 0 1em #000, 0 0 0.2em #0FF; color: white; font: 1.0em Cambria, serif; text-align: center; font-variant: small-caps;">(Talk)         18:54, September 16, 2015 (UTC)

Saying Hi
Sup Crim.

How are you my good man. I am been away for an age and it seems a lot of shit has gone down. I would just like to state that I hope everything is good. If you don't mind me asking, would you be able to give me a brief overview of the shit that went down?

Again, hope all is good and I commend you for keeping your cool in such shitty situations. :)  Imp (Say Hi?!) 08:06, September 24, 2015 (UTC)

Why?
What am I doing against the rules? Harvenard2 (talk) 00:33, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Also:
 * Who cares if "PM is not mine"? There is no "copyright" on the Latin words.
 * We both know that the derivative works rule applies to published works outside the wiki.
 * If it meant works on the wiki then we'd need to delete countless timelines that are similar.
 * People have made recreations/spin-offs of popular games before.
 * A spin-off of the AvA series was created separate from the ones the main creators played.
 * This game is completely independent of PM3 and its successors. It doesn't claim to be your game.

Harvenard2 (talk) 00:36, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Principia Moderni IV is not yours. Please stop attempting to delete it. Thank you, Harvenard2 (talk) 00:37, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

This was posted on chat just now, apparently you banned Harv mid edit, and this is what he was saying:

"There is no copyright lol. You don't own Principia Moderni III, and you definitely don't own Principia Moderni IV. You own that map game you are making, if anything, and this doesn't conflict with that at all. Also I just recreated the page accidentally, so please don't ban me just yet, if you're about to. "

The point being that when you delete a page when you're editing it, it creates this error where you basically have to hit publish to save your work. Anyway, please don't ban the messenger. Fritzmet (talk) 00:44, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

I'm just gonna call it something different then. I don't think you have the right to delete a map game just because of the name Principia Moderni, but since you continue to do so anyway, I will just make a different game. You definitely don't have the right to delete my game if it's not even PM related. So hopefully that is the end of that. Harvenard2 (talk) 21:18, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Fix that chat and stuff. I am getting a message saying my account has not been confirmed. Spartian300 (talk) 22:06, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Chat
Hello. I've seen your post on the TSPTF talk page about disabling the chat hacks; and I've been using it, especially in changing the colours for the chat-room and really enjoyed it, and would want to continue using it. If it's okay, could you please show me on how to set it up for myself? -Seiga  2015 October 13, 08:59 (CET)

What is wrong here? Spartian300 (talk) 10:02, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

MdM
Hey, I don't want to jump the gun, but if there's anything I can do to help with setting up MdM, let me know.

Thanks,

Cour *talk* 16:11, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

MdM
Hey Crim, hope you are well, Sorry to bother you, I was just wondering if you had a ballpark idea of when the new game will be starting? I hope I don't sound pushy, I would just like to have a vague idea so I can plan stuff. Yours, Callumthered (talk) 09:35, October 20, 2015 (UTC)