User talk:Reximus55

Principia Moderni II


Ok I got the map ready. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:36, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

AP/Reximus on Rhineland and Persia

 * Read the posts under your own post on the main page of PMII. You need to go back and redo it because several things are implausible.AP (talk) 20:30, March 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, AP. I will attempt to redo some of it, but I do not feel it is implausible. If you look: Here  (1600)  and Here  (1656),  You will see how much land has been "gobbled up" in the past 50 years. The land that remains is all very cautious and worried, as are the people of der Rhein. The few nations that remain, including Mainz and Munster, are all scared of the eventual possibility of being consumed by an empire they are not part of. Just recently, Trier and Brunswick were consumed by Brandenburg, Bavaria vassalized Nassau, and Paderborn was forced to join Saxony.  The few that remain will all reach similar fates in 50 years, if we do not band together. Cologne, Westphalia, Mainz, and Munster have all decided that they want to be in Union in order to prevent what would otherwise be inevitable. The Reich der Rhein, as the Holy Kingdom of the Rhine is often called, hopes to have the Palatinate join, and we also are welcoming to Nassau, Trier, Brunswick, or Paderborn if they should choose to leave their empire that they are forced to dwell in.  This is indeed plausible, I feel. There were constantly leagues being created out of small German states, and often they were to prevent incursion by larger empires. Please, consider my pleads. In addition, we did not vassalize them. We joined a Union, wherein all member states are still semi-independent and have a representative in the Reichstag der Rhein. The reason it may appear that we vassalized them is because King Hermann, of Cologne-Westphalia, was chosen as King. He was chosen among the 2 candidates - the other being the Prince of Munster. In the end, even the Prince of Munster agreed on Hermann as King, because if it was 2-2 (assuming the Bishop of Mainz voted for the Prince of Munster), the Kingdom would be split forever. Reximus55 ( talk )


 * That may be so, but we have rules here and they won't be broken so easily. You control one nation and its vassals, for you that's Cologne and Westphalia nothing else. You can gain control of smaller states by war or vassalization. That's how the rules work.AP (talk) 22:03, March 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * I had not intention of breaking the rules. I apologize. Please, continue to guide me through my first turns here in Principia Moderni! It is by far my favorite mag game on the Wiki yet! Reximus55 ( talk ) 22:35, March 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't think you get it. You play as ONE nation. You posted this turn as the Pfalz thing and the Rhine kingdom. Pick one, not both. This is the last time. AP ( talk ) 06:11, March 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm getting tired of telling you that you're breaking the rules. You cannot randomly switch nations. This is the third time you've played as different nations. You are breaking the rules, which state that you cannot play as another nation unless your first has been destroyed. You can't play as Persia, you must stick with your Rhine kingdom. AP ( talk ) 01:05, April 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * I sincerely apologize for breaking the rules again. I have never been on an Alt. History before, and this is my first map game. I do not intend to break the rules, but I have realized that A tiny sliver of the Rhine is not for me. I am really so soory, and I hope you understand, but I will not change nations again - ever. I promise you that. Please, allow me to play a Persia, so that I can actually have a chance of progress instead of being limited to two small regions between Bavaria, Germany, and Saxony. Please, for this instance, allow me to continue. I promise I will not do it again. Reximus55 ( talk ) 09:37, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * good day remixus, I am sardar i wished to ask in order to include you in the campaign going on to invade sindhustan do I have to make a new algorithm.

Falklands PMII
Figured it might be easier to get on your talk page than hash out border issues on the game itself lol. I'm obviously in no mood for a war and would love to have European technology. I'm willing to cut you as favorable of a deal as I humanly can as long as I get to keep that one little settlement as part of my supply line to OTL South Geogia (which obviously was the entire point of it's existence in the first place, otherwise I would have hit the West Island instead ofthe east). I'd like to keep the bottom half of the East Island just so that I have enough farmland to maintain the settlement, but even that's on the table. Like I said, my only reason for existing in the Falklands is to maintain South Georgia as part of my main nation rather than a colony. Other than than I really could care less about the land there. Commandante Lemming (talk) 16:25, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Those terms are fine with me now that I have the South Georgia settlement. I needed territory on the Falklands in order to be "one sea away" (the Scotia Sea) from South Georgia and therefore qualified to expand my main nation (rather than a colony) onto that island. Now that my nation has terrritory on South Georgia, I have no objection to ceding my reamaining Falklands territory to Wales. Commandante Lemming (talk) 12:38, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for mentioning the circus - those guys are my primary cultural ambasssadors. They're going to be in business for the next several centuries. As for your missionary requests I'm going to allow them not making a hasty national. I'm also going to invite the Taoists from Japan to build temples and am not going to settle on a religious affiliation other than tratditional relgion for a while (I have ideas on that subject but I'm taking the lay of the land first). Just so you know where I'm coming from, I have two primary allies at the moment, you and the Japanese (also plan on contacting the Netherlands and Aquitaine soon). My main concern is ensuring that I maintain both of those relationships AND that your two are at peace with eachother now that we're all sharing the same region and I'm in the middle - which I think could be beneficial as we can open up a sea route to Japan for you and your WTC. Commandante Lemming (talk) 16:40, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Will take all of those things under advisement. Just realized I mistyped about missionaries I WILL allow them I just haven't made a firm decision on national religion. I will steer clear of the Netherlands for now but I mostly interested in having positive relations with my neighbors as I know I'm not beating any of them in a one on one war. Commandante Lemming (talk) 19:15, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to be posting so much but actually think I might have something fun to talk to you about. I've been thinking a lot about your missionaries and actually I've been planning to eventually make some religious moves for a while. However, I want to pick your brain about your positioning in Europe, who your friends and adversaries are, and your thoughts on the state of Christianity in the timeline. My king's thought process would normally lead him in the direction of Protestantism - which of course does not exist in the same form in this timeline - but which has several potential analogues. So my big question for you is how committed is Wales to Catholicism? (or is that metagaming for me to pose that question to my own missionizer?)  Commandante Lemming (talk) 21:10, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Red Cross/Crescent
Not only is that not the name of that organization, or any of the details you added right, but that edit was against the timeline rules, Rex.

Ask such permissions before doing that in the future.

Lordganon (talk) 12:15, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

It isn't going back.

There is references and has been conversations in numerous places about the organization previously. Lordganon (talk) 12:19, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Hunt around talk pages and talk page archives for some, and the rest is stuff that was already there. You did entire 180-degree changes on the content, even. For that matter, those guys are probably dead too.

You do not rename things unilaterally like that. That is the name, and that is more or less that.

Told you before how to ask the community things.

Rex, those pages are for the most part not community pages. You editing like that was actually against the rules of the timeline, and the wiki.

I'm sorry that you feel hurt because you did all that work. But that is why you ask such things first, and get permissions.

Lordganon (talk) 12:32, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

...Seriously, Rex? I warn you about that and that is how you act? Enjoy the vacation. Lordganon (talk) 10:18, June 22, 2013 (UTC)

Rise of Babel
Rex, that is not how the process works. I have reverted your edits, and removed the page you put up without permission. Don't do it again without permission. Lordganon (talk) 12:33, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

PMII Royal Marriage Argument
So do you want to try and make this happen or not? I think we have enough wiggle room to go through with it, but there would probably be mod-event consequences for both of us. Personally I think it would be fun to deal with those,  as I play a risk averse came and choose my fights very carefully. I've been building for a cultural-level fight like this for a century. I just need a king in Avalon who's willing to take the risk and take a few bullets with me. Personally I find this sort of thing more fun than going to war. Commandante Lemming (talk) 20:55, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

check the game map, you just tripled in size. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 21:53, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for playing along with this. I have a feeling the mod events next trun are going to be AWESOME lol! But I think if we keep on this course we open up a lot of opportunities in the game going forward as we get to rip down a lot of racial/georgraphic barriers as part of the Enlightenment rather than 200 years later. I love playing cultural games! No armies, no algorithms, but you can completely re-route the game! Commandante Lemming (talk) 18:52, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Hey - lots of good ideas in there. I'll hit what I can point by point. Some deeper stuff might be better addressed on chat but I'll hit some of the big points.

1. We can have some fun with Madoc's son and I'm open to some interplay there, but the key point is that there is no "Selk'nam Throne" as such. My "Great Chiefs" are elected by a council of the nobility and there is no line of succession (Ge Hong was unrelated to Tuch'heulpe and both are unrelated to Pius). It's more like the Doge of Venice or the Papacy - plus I already killed off a royalist impulse in the form of John Chongat. So, Implementation of a monarchy may be difficult. However, you can also expect Praxedes' half-Welsh father Damasus to succeed Pius (his uncle) as Great Chief in a few years, so we can talk about a potential constituional monarchy arrangement. I think we can unite the dynasty and then separate the crowns by giving the Selk'nam throne to Madoc and Praxedes' second child. (Having a European-blooded dynasty would help me tremendously, and my leaders will argue for a figurehead monarch for that reason - but they're not giving up their own actual power)

2. Primer on Selk'nam culture for your own use: We do have a lot of Welsh influence BUT our leadership is harshly devoted to preserving the Selk'nam as a cultural unit in their own right - they have a manifest destiny ideal about the Antarctic regions. They essentially think God appointed them as the great Christian culture of the South so there will be serious pushback on attempts to blur the line between cultures. My culture breaks down by relgion at about 75% Christian, 25% Taoist. The Christians are all going to take a lot of cultural cues from Wales, and the Taoists from Japan (and the ratio is going to stay constant as the Mononobe are big allies). Here are the four main groups in my society you have to deal with:
 * The Taoists prefer alliance with Japan over Wales and will fight to try to equalize Eastern influence with Western. If you mention one, they all have Taoist given names and shorter native names with hard to pronounce consonant blends (Ge Hong Ctl'i'i'i, Zhangzi Hg'ich). They are also mostly ethnic Yaghan, not Selk'nam, although rural Taoists may be Alacaluf.
 * The Catholics on the Mainland (especially in Ona Yagich) are more royalist and hold all the others in contempt (these are John Chongat's people but they would also be most friendly to the idea of a monarch from the House of Tuch'huelpe). They can be ethnic Selk'nam, Alacaluf, or Haush - but will be mostly Selk'nam in Ona Yagich. They usually pick simple biblical names like Mary or John, but have increasingly lengthy and self-referential native names (like Hgichin'Tuch'huelpe'nam) as a way making themselves sound important, just like European aristocrats have four or five given names
 * The K'onipian Settlers (OTL South Georgia) are the most devoutly Catholic, but also less royalist. They resent the aristocratic attitudes of the mainland Christians, and are prone to ally with the Taoists against central control when neeeded. As a way of showing their piety (a slight at the mainlanders) they tend to name themselves after obscure saints and popes to show that they are more religiously educated (Pius, Rafael, Maughold, Damasus, Anacletus, etc.). They are gruff people with no pretention becasue they live in such a harsh climate and have no time for formality.
 * The Teushen and Tehuelche (on mainland Atlantia) are more recently integrated so they're suspicious of foreign influece period. Their Christian names wil be mixed but always remember that their native names deviate from the Selk'nam language by replacing the "-agich" suffix with "-ijich".

There aren't exactly Japo-Selknam and Brytho-Selknam divisions as you envision, but this breakdown should help you navigate my society. Also note that your new queen is half K'onipian and half Mainlander, hence the K'onipian Christian name Praxedes and the aristocratic native name Hgichin'Tuch'huelpe'nam.

3. On language, I'm assuming that a lot of my nobility speaks Welsh AND that Welsh is the prime leiterary language at the moment. I'm planning to implementing a written Selk'nam language in the next few decades, BUT you can expect heavy Brythonic education among the educated as you shift away from pure Welsh. There will soon be an Ona Yagich Mervyn Gwylim Society, for instance. I'm going to spread parts of your culture, but by translating all of your stuff into Selk'nam, not implementing your language - also Selk'nam is the only universal language in the Haruwin as the Taoist upper class is educated in Japanese, not Welsh.

4.  On Relgion, we can talk and you know I have some ideas. But let us see what the Pope has to say about the Royal Wedding before making sudden moves. We can maybe chat on this tomorrow.

Commandante Lemming (talk) 22:25, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

I was waiting till '74. I will be unavailable later so i wanted to wait.Andr3w777 (talk) 02:52, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

I appear to have lost you on the chat.Andr3w777 (talk) 03:50, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Dude - warn me next time before you change sides in a war that I joined entirely for the sake of our national relationship. Commandante Lemming (talk) 21:51, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

In the Ruins of the French empire
I invite you to join my map game. In the Ruins of the French Empire (Map Game). Octivian Marius (talk) 01:25, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Germany in Yellowstone: 1936
Hey there Rex. You're in charge of Germany in Yellowstone: 1936, so I figured I might as well ask you. Could I have East Prussia as a communist state? I think, assuming the fall of Hitler (or whatever you're doing) that the communists would take power somewhere. East Prussia seems like it could work. The Doctor is in...

Don't feel you have to keep Octivian's page... I can quite happily ban him from Yellowstone if you want ~Local (Not my computer)

Blog
Once your ban ends, you need to apologize to FS - profusely - and mean it. Otherwise I'm going to extent it for quite a bit longer. Consider yourself lucky that Fed blocked you before I did.

There was/is so many things wrong with that biased and rather racist nonsense you posted that I cannot even begin to tell you them all. Quite frankly, there isn't a single "point" there that is not either false, grossly exaggerated, or applies as well to other religions as it does to Islam. Your "sources" are about as biased as it is possible to get.

Really, Rex, I think I can even say that South, an actual preacher, would at least have been bothered by all of that.

Moreover, FS's original posts was not even remotely a violation of NC/NC - it was more or less the equivalent of s Merry Christmas" post, ffs - but yours all were.

I suggest that you use the next two weeks to learn more about the topic at hand. Preferably from neutral sources. Start with Wikipedia and go from there.

Nor am I going to discuss this with you again.

Lordganon (talk) 13:03, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think i can do anything for you, even if you are right.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 19:48, August 22, 2013 (UTC))

Welcome Back
Nice to see you back. Sorry about Wales - I wasn't in a position to do much and I was on vacation anyway during the War. But Persia is nice and I'll be sure to send lots of traders your way.If you ever want the Welsh descendants back I've assured that Madoc has multiple male descendants through Atticus, purchased the Falklands, preserved Welsh culture there, etc. Wasn't able to get Madoc or Gavin out but I did my best to "save the furniture". Also was able to expand the Apostolic Church by convincing Viva and Scraw not to abolish it in Brython and bringing in Kogasa through his African State - I'm also working on bringing in the Apache. If you're interested, I could bring you back into that project (There are probably multiple ways to endure a group of Persians convert or form a breakoff sect).

Also - since everyone's talking PM3, if you want to help me mess up the timeline, I'm trying to engineer it so the Russian Empire never rises (I'll be playing an Asian power that rises in the Siberian Far East, and I'm neelding Lx to play as the Golden Horde instead of Russia proper). If you want to be  an Eastern-expansion-minded Teutonic Order you could squeeze Russia from the West while I build a roadblock in Siberia and Lx builds and Islamic power to it's South. Or there are a number of attractive tribes to the East of Moscow.

Commandante Lemming (talk) 18:27, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah don't take the Persians ASB, but if I go crazy and send missionaries to your periphery, you can allow yourself to lose a region that doesn't much like your central governement anyway. It may take a few years but I think we can plausibly get a minority of converts in some region that will giver you a stake in the church - which or course would allow you to split off that minority as a separate vassal down the Road. There are probably still some Europeans in what used to be Dutch Persia. I'm off for Yom Kippur starting now but we need to pow-wow :-) Commandante Lemming (talk) 20:19, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re:An Apology
Rex, how old are you? For me, you are too young to understand about other's religions and faith. There is no any religion on this world that spread the messages to kill each other. Religion is just all about the man and the invisible supreme power, supreme truth that either just a single one or live in many manifestation. Religion is about human viewing this life, the death and the situation after the death (afterlife).

Egoism inside the human making they believe that their faith is the superior than another and that not only happening on Islam, but also on Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism and even the moral religion such as Confucianism. The fanatic Muslims are worse, as worse as yourself, Rex, who being a fanatic Christian. Fanaticism is only about a hate, a religious chauvinism. Even how wrong the Muslim terrorists are, being the fanatic yourself is nothing help. If you hate the terrorists, you should behaved in the opposite way, being the good example that a Christian like you speaking nicely and politely, respecting the people of other faith.

If you are proud for being a Christian, I understand, you are born that way. But, you must be a good Christian that love your neighbours (lit. other people), regardless their religion, faith and political views. If you want to live in peace, you must starting it by yourself.

Assalamualaykum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. Have a nice day and welcome back, Rex. :)

FirstStooge (talk) 00:08, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

6-2-5 Upheaval
US can't "win" that war. China intervenes in any way, shape, or form and it becomes impossible, nukes or not. Nor is Truman going to nuke anything. Most it would accomplish is a front line further north, with a much more angry PRC.

But, since that's your PoD...

MacArthur would not win by such a margin. Heck, the use of the nukes he so advocated would cause a backlash against him, and others, that wanted it. At best, he'd barely win. More realistically, he'd lose the nomination and either Taft or Warren would win the nomination - probably Warren.

USSR and Mongolia would not even consider such moves. Not even remotely.

Would take more than one nuke at that point for the RoC to beat the PRC.

France would not allow that. And, really, the lack of the PRC would not prevent communists in Vietnam - that group was more nationalistic than anything, and was unquestionably the principal group in the area. They'd still get power. Be more nationalistic than communist, but they still get power.

The Doctrine is fine, and more or less.

Lordganon (talk) 13:34, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

RWR, Answers
With ASB, there is two general concepts that make it that way: ASB content, and an ASB PoD.

Quite frankly, not only is the content ASB, but so is but so is the overall idea.

Simply put, there is quite literally no way that that is possible in a scenario even remotely close to otl. And even if things are nowhere near otl, it would still be difficult at best.

Nor is that at all an accurate "image" of either man. The actions you give to Gompers quite literally make no sense, and fly directly opposite to everything he not only stood for, but actually did. The man was more or less the opposite of Debs in politics and attitude, for pete's sake. Something long established before Pullman, too.

Moreover, you mistake unions with socialism. They are not, and have never been, the same thing. Not even remotely. Heck, most people in the movement supported the Republican Party, even.

Neither Roosevelt or Bryan would support them. The idea that they would is, quite honestly, ludicrous.

You need to remember that at that time, the Democrats were more conservative, and the Republicans more moderate. If the Socialists managed to get any more support than otl at all, it comes from the Republicans. Democrats still win.

And, for that matter, the Dems would really not nominate Clark. Despite his support at the convention, he was really not liked that well.

But, overall? Even with all of the "changes" you made Debs still doesn't become President. Simply put, it is impossible to makes changes for someone to go from 6% of the votes to winning. Debs did not get even a third the votes that Taft in third place did. Did not reach a million votes, or win a single county nationally either - not even in the two states he did best in, getting about 16% of the vote in both, did he get a county.

Overall, it's about the equivalent of the timeline that had Breckinridge win the 1860 election by somehow getting Northerners to vote for him - it's just not possible.

Thus, ASB.

Yes, the concept can very much so be "ASB." If it's not possible, then it is ASB, simply put.

You're mistaken about what the "biased" part of the tag means. It means that the timeline is intentionally biased in favor of one group/individual or another. Has not one thing to do with the personal opinions of the author(s),

Given what I know of your background, not at all surprised that you hate LBJ or FDR, and I can guess at your reasonswhy, along with where you heard them from - but I can tell you right now that the vast majority of them would either be false, or not at all explained right in order to make them sound bad.

Rex, you really need to find neutral sources on these things and read those.

Though, I have to say that that opinion of Lincoln is a bit odd, even with your background. Care to elaborate?

Also, since I know you live in the US... what region? Curious to see how right my suspicions are, lol.

Socialism and Communism, despite the preaching of many in the USA today, are in fact not the same thing, and are indeed not even close to being such. For that matter, almost everyone that is called "socialist" is not even close to being one. That's especially the case with the President, as an fyi.

Rest assured, your fear is unfounded - the USA has never, will never, and is not, anywhere remotely close to becoming Communist, or even "Socialist."

Now, as for the history questions...

Currently, I am stuck in what could best be described as "immigration hell." Which basically means that unless I want to do something illegal - think what the stereotypical "illegal" would do in the US - I cannot do anything until my paperwork clears. Very maddening, I assure you. Surprised I'm still sane, lol.

Once that clears - lawyer assures me it should by Christmas clear up - we'll see.

Overall, though, History graduates are employed in many different locations. Out of the people I know who took history in some form at university, having it as either their major or minor, the results are varied.

Two are working on Masters in History and working varied part time jobs - graduate soon.

One is an executive for an expanding restaurant chain, and looking at master's programs.

One got an after-degree in education and is now teaching.

Two of them are Bartenders, and were prior to getting their degrees.

One just got his Masters in History, and was recently a supervisor at an Archival project for an organization.

Another one went to Law School, and is now a practicing Lawyer and Writer.

One works at the Alberta legislature in some sort of role (something akin to a general assistant, not sure past that what she does)

Another has been doing Archaeological stuff, is due to enter a masters in some sort of fancy environment program soonish, though was only a history minor.

One is an officer in the RCN, did his degree as part of that.

And the last is a Construction Manager/Project Supervisor/Safety Officer for a Construction Company in the far north. Was prior/during his degree too, family business.

Myself, I worked in a large independent toy and hobby store while finishing my degree. Have a line on a spot in graduate school when my stuff gets further along. Going to try to get into Museum work.

Past all that, History majors are in many places. Universities, Teaching, Museums, Government, Historical Sites, occasionally Libraries (whole different degree for that one mostly, actually) are not unusual. But the skills you pick up doing a history degree, like being analytic in your thinking, researching skills, able to think neutrally, etc. are useful in many fields. It's actually not unusual for manages or executives to have degrees in history or related fields.

Would so better with helping you with regards to history if you had questions. General advice is a bit harder.

As for your signature, got me. Imp or Scraw would be the best place to go for that.

Lordganon (talk) 21:16, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

...Says right on my profile that I'm Canadian, lol.

The concept that a conservative in Canada is the same as a liberal in the USA is not even remotely true. In both countries, the two are about the same.

Sorry Rex, but you don't go from that small of a vote to winning, no matter what "endorsements" you may get.

Debs was, in fact, already a socialist when he went to prison. He just went further in that direction while there. Gompers, not even remotely close to that. And, for that matter, his reputation is exactly why he had nothing to do with socialists, in addition to his political beliefs.

Most TL's about election aren't actually biased. You just change one small(ish) thing about it, to change the result. Things such as a different VP choice could be all you need in some cases. An example of this would be Step in a Different Direction, where McCain chooses someone besides Palin for his VP selection in 2008, and ekes out a narrow win over Obama as a result. Unlikely, maybe, but not impossible.

That being said, there are election TLs that are biased. Some disturbingly so, for that matter. The Breckinridge one I told you about the other day is a very good example of this.

Still curious as to where you're from in the US.

I did not ask for your political viewpoint. Not that it was hard to guess by your past statements, of course. But, suffice to say, Rex, that there is at best very little truth to all of that. You have a lot of learning to do, overall.

Kennedy did actually have a goal of getting the CRA passed.

And, though you are obviously unaware of it, you are at least a little racist. Kind of obvious, truthfully. Think of it this way: If you feel a need to say something like "A bit racist sounding, but oh well, it true" with regard to something, let alone use the term "Aryan" - a made-up word, more or less, even - then that means you are, in fact, at least somewhat racist. Very much the same goes for the slavery-Bible line.

Lincoln... Quite frankly, none of that is true.

Lincoln was not from the "radical" part of the Republican Party - not even close. He actually advocated it remain because he knew that at least for the time being, it was needed. Nor was the Republican Party at all dedicated to that. And if you read that proclamation, you'd find that it's actually a confiscation of property from rebels - spoils of war, more or less - not freeing anyone. It's a common misconception - the freeing part, overall, came later.

The War itself was actually about, in many ways, whether or not they had the right to leave the Union. The result leaves the answer obvious - they did not have the right. Even in the South a significant minority agreed with this at the time, actually.

What it actually says is that no state may be formed from within the borders of an existing state without that state's governing body voting in favor of it. You can see this, historically, with Maine becoming a state in its own right, after having previously been part of Massachusetts, and the California Legislature almost voting on such a concept with regards to Northern California just prior to Pearl Harbor.

In the case of West Virginia, a significant percentage of the Virginia Legislature did not go along with secession, and formed a rump Legislature in what is today West Virginia. This body, legally recognized as the government of Virginia, voted to allow the formation of a state out of Virginian territory, name up for debate at the time. Very legal, overall, according to the Constitution. And, according to the Supreme Court in an 1870 decision, for that matter, as well.

Simply no truth to your fourth point.

As for the fifth, that proved quite true - the Civil War re-energized the nation.

Using the term "war hawks" with regards to conservatives is a very new development. As in the last few decades, for that matter. Prior to that, it had been for war supporters in general. And you miss all the wars that "conservative" presidents got the US into with that statement, too ;)

It was actually JFK that got the US into Vietnam, not LBJ.

Kudos for knowing that the recession wasn't Carter's fault, though. Most people do not know that.

There is very few timelines out there with regards to elections being the PoD where they are actually ASB - and the ones that are such should in theory all be marked that way, though I'm sure that there are ones out there that we do not know about. Those election-based TL's that are ASB have something happening and drastically favoring one group or another so that they win - and that is, quite frankly, the base definition of bias.

Overall, don't want to hear anything about politics from you again, Rex. Not until you've grown up some, mind.

Lordganon (talk) 10:17, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

About where I figured.

Any election that can possibly be said to be ASB is also biased - thus, they go in the "ASB-Biased" category.

Lordganon (talk) 13:05, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

ASB-Elections = Not Happening. It's already covered by Biased.

Southwest. Too "libertarian" - not that that word is used in anything remotely like its actual definition in the US - for the "south," while just enough to indicate that "west" is likely, but too many remarks about race to be the "north." Though, I was expecting Texas purely because of population in that area, not Arizona. Area of Arizona, of course, not at all surprising.

Lordganon (talk) 14:23, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

If Bryan wins in that year, then your whole concept doesn't happen.

Doesn't change anything, Rex.

Lordganon (talk) 13:28, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Flag
Hey here is the flag preposal. GO OCTi (talk) 21:28, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

World Rivalries Resumed
France lays divided, Savoy yet controls part of gaul and so do the austrians, may you have the strenght to unite the shattered region of gaul under a French king, Under the glorious leadership of france. France needs some movement in World rivalries as the game restarts. Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:38, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

Colonial World Map Game
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PM3 Plotting
LOL whatcha gonna do? You have, what, four? nations ganging up on you.

                "I can feel your anger.    It gives you focus...makes you stronger."  00:15, October 14, 2013 (UTC)

7, actually. Sine as France, Scraw as Aragon, Crim as Florence, MP as the Ottomans, Me as the KU, Imp as Hungary, and Lx as Russia.

You know what we're doing? WHOA. Congrats. You can read.

Brasil is kind of a Dominion, and i plan to do something similar to Canada, so i don't think i can give you them.However, i don't have plans for Argentina, and they have room to expand.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 06:50, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

No, we got to do this right here, since i can't find the chat.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 06:59, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't work.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 07:02, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

I still think that i should continue controlling Brasil, and plus, there would be no point for a revolution, since the responsible government would have addressed these problems.again, i can give you Argentina.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 08:18, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

I can't give you anything atm since: The Italian royal family is part Aymaran, and Nuovo Italia is set to play a large role in global politics soon... (You will see it when it happens). Scandinator (talk) 20:12, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Take Argentina dude - sounds  like you're going to be right in the middle of multiple people's future plans. Now you just need an angle to be part of the michief. Also, if you get that, the Selk'nam and Potuguese Royal families have just recently intermarried multiple times and produced a whole bunch of half-Atlantian royal babies on both sides - all of whome are female and about 10 years old at the moment, but you could pick one to make queen if you want a monarchy - and as a bonus, every one of them has Welsh Pugh blood. :-) Commandante Lemming (talk) 20:15, October 17, 2013 (UTC)



Hey Rex - When you have a second could you go vote for Yagich Rafael Yagich as the site for the 1864 PMII Olympics, I'm in a dead tie with Scan's Venice and both of us only need one vote - if you get in before anyone else I win. Thanks Commandante Lemming (talk) 15:14, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

PM3
Nice! btw, who did ou get as an ally?

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EoGuy (talk) 23:35, October 27, 2013 (UTC)

Alliance?
In Cthulhu Sleeps, you are France. Tensions with Prussia are increasing for you. Would you like an alliance with Prussia's greatest enemy; Austria?

Athamos
Okay well I wasn't on chat, but could I form a loose union between the two, but not right now, because I don't want Athamos to join in complete union, and besides it would be illogical, because the Hellenes still harbour resentment against the French and therefore their associate countries (one surprise war while we were on alliance terms + one revenge war) and I doubt that it would be popular for the Athamese to join with the Atlandians (?), so I don't think it would be plausible for that to happen right now. We can work together to portray our fellow groups of countries in a happier light towards each other but I don't think it's physically plausible to unify now without our people getting really really angry that we are unifying with the enemy. Airlinesguy (talk) 08:37, October 31, 2013 (UTC)