User talk:Collie Kaltenbrunner



Congratulations! 12,000th page!
Congratulations, Collie, it seems that you saw an opportunity to become the author of the 12,000th page on the wiki! The page "Austria and others" as a gateway article, is an appropriate choice as the historic landmark for althistory.wikia.com.

As a new member of the wikia, you will need to read the guidelines to assure that your articles meet the requirements. Any of the administrators will be glad to assist you on producing acceptable articles, so do not fear asking for assisstance. Welcome to the wiki. SouthWriter 18:36, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Flags
I've been looking at all the flags you've been uploading.... One thing: at least some of them are already on the wiki.

Just have a look for articles on that country and you'll find the flags, I'm sure. It will save us more clutter.

Lordganon 21:06, December 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * But when i upload them, it usually don't say nothing about having a identical flag.Collie Kaltenbrunner 08:02, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

It often won't, especially if its an older one. Heck, all it takes is a slight size difference or a different source, or even using a thumbnail for the picture versus using the actual picture.

But I can tell you right now that, at the very least, the Byzantine Flag you added was already on here, likely more than once:



Like I said, just please try to look around first in the future.

Lordganon 11:31, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Venice (1983: Doomsday)
Why did you add "undefined" to the template on Venice (1983: Doomsday)? Removing content like that and adding gibberish can be considered vandalism. Please do not do it again or you will be banned from editing. Mitro 16:30, December 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * look, if i added "undefined",i didn't saw that.when i came back from the editing,ithought that it was already there.i will remember to get a preview of the edition when i edit that again.
 * P.S. ah,i discovered that. i tried to fix a inconsistency of the template with the text, but when i conclude that, it keeps saying "undefined".(true, i tried it)Collie Kaltenbrunner 17:31, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you very much! I have a small question: can you tell me how to include infoboxes for nations on a page? The guide does not mention anything about that AFAIK. ColonelReed 23:34, December 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's like this;when you are editing a page, there will be a part saying "Insert:Template" if yo click therem it's gonna appear "choose a template".select "other template/magic word".then, select "NationInfo" in the part of most frequently used. then, Change the values on the left and click to preview. When you have finished editing, click "OK". Note;if the "NationInfo" template don't work, as it happens to me, select others, like "NationInfo BW"
 * P.S.;what is AFAIK?.Collie Kaltenbrunner 10:04, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Reminder
Please remember the naming conventions that we have in place here.

Lordganon 14:11, December 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * what do you mean?Collie Kaltenbrunner 15:07, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

You named an article "Second Mexican-American War‎" in your timeline "Austria and others" that did not have "(Austria and others)" after "Second Mexican-American War‎" in the name, like the rules of this wiki dictate.

Have a look at http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Alternative_History:Conventions_in_use_in_this_wiki

Lordganon 15:25, December 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, i didn't noticed that i didn't had put that.in fact, i forgot to look to the title when i was editing..Collie Kaltenbrunner 15:29, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Religions in 'Austria and Others'
The correct shortened-term for the Orthodox Catholic Church of East is 'Orthodox Christianity' or 'Eastern-Orthodox Christianity', not 'Eastern Orthodoxism'. Mr.Xeight 22:42, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Hi!
Have you ever heard of nation.wikia.com. We are the largest fictional nation wikia and the most active! We have a political system and currently elections are going on in which all our citizens can vote for their favorite candidates (and run themselves). It's all big fun. Wanna join in? :) Pierius Magnus 18:02, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Disambiguation Pages
If you are going to add countries in your timelines to these lists, put them in the correct orders, alphabetically, or don't do it at all. Lordganon 11:12, February 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * sorry, nobody warned me about it before.Collie Kaltenbrunner 18:11, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Map Games
Hi. I saw your map game and thought it looked interesting. All I ask is that you join mine here. I'm trying to revolutionize the map game industry slightly, but there isn't enough activity to do so. Thanks. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 18:58, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

You should be proud of yourself. Your Scramble for Africa Map Game is probably the first one that LG has ever joined. PitaKang 19:21, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Hi! I'd like to thank you for participating in my mapgames. Also, what is your deviantArt profile. Once again, thanks. Cosman246 20:31, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

Crisis
Message from USA to USSR, Canada, UK, China, Sweden, Turkey, Siam:

Currently, the US is at the center of a conflict with Mexico, Italy, Finland, and Germany. We need your help in defending from them, to preserve freedom and to make the world a better place. If you are with me, say so on my talk page. Remember, we need you!. PitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 22:37, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Yo, Siam is fascist-aligned. I've already housed the royal family and much of the military of Japan in Petchaburi, attacked Britain, and claimed Singapore and the rest of the Straits Settlements. Not to mention support anti-colonialist groups against the British, French, Spanish, and Dutch. But I guess it would be fun if the Allies were deceived by Siam. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:52, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Scramble for Africa
Waiting on you to tell us to start, or something. Lordganon 04:21, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

You can take Venice. I'm not really playing that much anymore. Thanks for telling me

Chicagoan 23:41, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Blog
Uhhh, no one can comment on that one for some reason... or at least I can't. As for the internet connection, I don't know what to tell you. I'm no genius at internet/computers. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 17:55, March 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * i said in the blog that it only went back now.and i disabled the comments because i was totally sure that somebody would say that the subject was too unimportant to be said.but i had to explain why i missed 5 days in a row.Collie Kaltenbrunner 18:20, March 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh and Collie, it's considered good "manners" to respond to someone back on their own talk page. And I understand the blog thing now. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 19:16, March 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * : Oh, i enabled the comments now.Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:55, March 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * : Oh, i enabled the comments now.Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:55, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

For the record Collie, the blog is fine. Lordganon 19:20, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

United Nations
Please vote on resolution 1 for the UN United Nations

you are Security Council Member Batmanary 08:18, March 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * which resolution?Collie Kaltenbrunner 08:31, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * click the link. its the peace one for France and Italy
 * Yugoslavia becoming a non-permanent SC member has to be voted on. Brazil is permanent however. Batmanary 18:49, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

I made most of those, changes, I made some changes for convience, but I will omit Sardania and the Aztecs, I added most of those states and more recently. I will add Serbia. Sign up as the Baltic States.Technically the Incas did not exsist in 1080 either, but Tiwanku did which was a precursor of the Inca Empire, I can only add so many empires though, India, Persia, Europe, were heavily divided, so I only added major states, don't be afraid to add more minor nations to the page if you want! Just remeber to sign!

1080 AD Medieval Era to The Future(Map Game)
I made some changes out of convience, If you want to add more minor states, go right ahead, just rember to sign if you want to play as them, I added the Baltic states. Also the Inca never exsisted, their precursor did, but I just called them the Inca out of convience, they real name was Tiawanku. I will omit Sardania(you can add the small kningoms if you want) and the Aztecs.I'll added alot more since yesterday, I'll add Serbia now. I can't believe missed the Holy Roman Empire before.Anonymous History Guy 06:12, March 27, 2011 (UTC)Anonymous History Guy

Baltic People's
You are all set mate!Ciao!Anonymous History Guy 06:12, March 27, 2011 (UTC)Anonymous History Guy

1080 Map Game
Saw on another talk page that you wanted to go about adopting it. Just ask the players and get their approval. Lordganon 08:58, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

Basically lol. No formalities needed. Maybe you should reset the page because of the spelling errors and because 90% of the turns were Vhaul and AHG. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 13:00, March 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * you think that somebody would accept if i put my name as a moderator of the game?Collie Kaltenbrunner 19:04, March 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes. Especially considering the former mod was a little… out of it. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk)  21:59, March 29, 2011 (UTC)



A Different History
Rebelsoldier, I'd like to personally invite you to my ATL, A Different History.

This ATL is special because there is not one Point of Divergence, but dozens over the course of the centuries.

I already have 12 contributers on this project, and our goal is to turn this into the next 1983:Doomsday!

If you don't want to, its okay. Just leave a message for me if you're interested. Thanks!

Sincerely, PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs)

Rebelsoldier
Sorry, my mistake. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 18:03, April 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Anyway, i already had written my name in the list of contributors to the A Different History ATL.Collie Kaltenbrunner 18:30, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

"No Nukes" Map Game
With Rebelsoldier booted, I have no obligation to keep the main point of the map game.

So here comes the million dollar question.

Should I add nukes?

Enter Name 23:30, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, this is the first time I saw the original map game, and I certainly don't want that to happen.

I also noticed that there were colonies on Mars, does map games allow usage of not-yet-invented technologies?

Enter Name 13:21, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, hey. Sorry I haven't responded. Yes, you can have your stuff back. Just please watch Germany closely! CrimsonAssassin 18:10, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Revolution 2011 Edit
Hello. I hope you are having a pleasant day.

I am leaving you a message to inform you of a new TL I am creating. It is a role playing scenario where you create an individual who has the power to change the world. You can create a person or take the wheel of a current person. With your help, I'm sure this will be the biggest thing to come from this wiki since Map Games!

CrimsonAssassin 21:40, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Natural disaster, out of control spending, and other factors lead to a revolution. I've made the TL already.

Revolution 2011

Principia Moderni
Hi. I made you a mod. I appreciate you helping with the maps. Can I ask one thing though. If you upload a map, note which countries you are updating, just so I know. I just thought that would make it a little easier. Thanks though, feel free to enjoy your moderator privileges. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 04:39, April 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm noting.i try to keep as accurate with the game proccess.anyway, thanks.Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:46, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

When we switched to the 4000px map, the total area of the map became about 11.5 times larger (about 10 as a general estimate). So I changed the system so we weren't expanding 1px at a time. Sixty-two pixels on the new map is about five to six pixels on the old map. So yeah, that's basically the system. Don't go by the old expansion rules. Sorry I haven't updated them. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 05:55, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I was wondering if you would consider aiding Berlin in this Berlin-Dannish war sweeping Europe right now. We;d be very greatful. EzraNYC 12:48, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to Europe 1430, Part II
For your experience, I made you a Mod. The map game starts today! Cosman246 15:09, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

Algeria Issue
Small issue between me and LG on the Scramble for Africa. This is concerning the legality of StarkBlack ceding Algeria to me (see discussion page of SfA). I ask you because LG could be biased because this gives me an edge in the Scramble, and I could be biased because I actually want the territory, so third-party intervention would be good.

Basically, I put a request on Stark's talk page that I would offer the Ottoman Empire extensive military alliance and a buffer from Morocco, in return for the eyalat of Algeria, which he accepted. He has been inactive for awhile, but I have agreed to make sure he starts up again so it isn't unfair. LG says it is illegal in the game because I am taking advantage of an inactive player. However, Stark still has sovereignty over what to do with his own territory, inactive or not. Taking advantage means "Hey Stark, are you still using the Ottoman Empire, because I was hoping to annex it," and he says "sure, whatever." However, what he did was accept it because it offered the best possible outcome for the Ottoman Empire, thus plausible, and thus fair game. If he thought he was being taken advantage of, he wouldn't have accepted. Thanks for your time. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:28, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

He posted on Stark's page, out of the blue, simply to get Stark to give him territory. It's a naked land-grab on his part, taking advantage of someone who had quit the game for all purposes. Far as I'm concerned, it's more than bias. I've had to knock Kenny down a peg on being implausible on several occasions, and that's all this is. Note, too, that Algeria is, while technically Ottoman, independent in all but name, which he should know too, which also kills this deal. Lordganon 05:52, April 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * "I've had to knock Kenny down a peg on being implausible on several occasions"—that's because you're the only active implausibility police. If I wanted to call you implausible I wouldn't because it's not worth my time, and it's not my job.  Also, I backed up my reasoning, it was only implausibility in your mind, I just gave in to compromise to avoid spamming the page.  No matter how stupid that may sound, you can't prove me wrong without pressing your mod advantage… The Algeria situation was meant to be sort of like the Philippines after the Spanish-American War.  Spain no longer controls the Philippines but nevertheless cedes it to the United States to deal with it themselves.  Algeria was going to be sort of a struggle against rival groups for a at least a decade before actual control and expansion will be taken.  It is a significant military investment, which I wouldn't call a land grab considering it will detract significantly from military expansion in my other colonies.  You can even go ahead and have Morocco invade it if it's plausible, it's up to you.  <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk)  06:13, April 29, 2011 (UTC)

Heh. And the accusations begin to fly, typical of him. He is taking advantage of Stark, plain and simple, and the entire matter is not plausible. You've not backed up your reasoning at all, either - you never do, other than in your own mind. Implausibility is commonplace in your actions, and I've had to call you on it several times, just like now. He also seems to think that Spain at the time was some sort of Superpower, which is obviously not the case, and that Spain could pull off massive things such as this, when they couldn't - I've chosen to largely let this slide in the game, however ignorant it is, but this is too much.

For the record, the USA had conquered the Phil~ from Spanish forces, not the locals. Learn some history.

I've every right to respond to unjust accusations here, once - but you've no reason to perpetuate the matter here. Cut it out.

Lordganon 06:55, April 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * First reply: 1 - look,the Ottoman Empire ceding Algeria to Spain, well, i think that this would give a unfair advantage for Spain, since the common sense says that they would invade Morocco after some years expanding their Northern African colonies.and this makes me think:if the game comes to 1914, how do we determine he winner?.

2 - Spain was not a major superpower.i thnk that a minor superpower would be more adequate.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 08:03, April 29, 2011 (UTC)

I think I was confused on what was happening to Algeria. I thought it was going to be conquered by Morocco but I kinda see know that it is going to be independent. Sorry for the trouble. And for the record, the Philippines at the time was controlled by the Philippine Republic, not the United States. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 15:47, April 29, 2011 (UTC)

TSPTF
Would you be at all interested in a Constable position? Lordganon 15:43, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but, What does a Constable do?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 16:23, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Mostly, it's just TSPTF membership. But, you also get rollback powers, which mean that vandal edits can be more easily reversed - i.e. if a vandal posts multiple times on an article to do it, you can remove it all at once instead of bit by bit. Essentially, this just means that if you see it going on when you look at the edit list, if you see something, deal with it, but nothing to worry about it past that.

There are also some Responsibilities that you sign up for as well, but it's really quite minor and just posting on the wiki in general will pretty much cover most of them.

So, you want to be nominated still? ;) It's only work if you make it so, if that helps.

Lordganon 16:36, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Done. You have now been nominated. On another note, don't be too shocked if I ask you in a couple months about a promotion, I figure you may well deserve it by then, lol. Lordganon 06:43, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

Colony Size
Good question. Pixels have to be in the actual color, not including the red border. Sorry if I didn't make that clear enough. (-unsigned Detectivekenny)

Hey, it would be cool if you could do the next three maps or so, as I will be vacationing during that time. Also are you interested in doing a trade-off system for maps after that? Like maybe for xxx0 years you can do it and I'll do it for xxx5 years or something? <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 21:41, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations, you are now a Constable in the TSPTF. This allows you to showcase the TSPTF membership badge on your user page. Furthermore it gives you the rollback power on this wiki. In the History page of an article you will notice a new option called "rollback". This is an anti-vandalism tool. It allows you to quickly undo edits in case someone has made more than one edit to a page. By clicking rollback it will immediately revert the article to a time before the offending editor edited the page. This is your most important duty. By agreeing to be a constable, you are promising to do your best to patrol for vandals and trolls.

When you get the chance, please go to the TSPTF page, and sign up for some responsibilities. In reality, none of us have the time to devote to all of the duties that are expected of an administrator of the wiki. You are expected, however, to sign up for at least three responsibilities listed in that section. These are duties that you are agreeing to carry out to the best of your ability every time you are on this wiki. I'm hoping that by doing this the members of the TSPTF can efficiently share the work load of the wiki and gives us time for the real reason we are here. Since you are only a constable and do not have the power to delete or block, do not feel obligated to sign up for any duties you do not have the powers to do. Please inform myself or others in a position to do so if you see a problem that involves a needs for either of those things.

Again, congratulations on being elected to the TSPTF and good luck.

Lordganon 08:35, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Mazovia
Maybe my knowledge of European history is not the best, but from what I am reading, "The Polish-Lithuanian Union of Lublin (1569) established Mazovia as the central region of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, with Warsaw rising to prominence as the seat of the state legislature." For the most part, we excpect history to take its normal course, with the exception of colonies, so we would want to keep that treaty. Also, within a few years you should consider archiving 1540-1569 onto its own page. I won't do something so delicate on my iPhone. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 23:20, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

I might have already responded to this, my memory fails, but just take Mazovia off. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 05:16, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

I would suggest you increase non-colonial expansion. Most expansion in history took place relatively quickly, and often in sporadic wars, not dragged over a long perood of time. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 05:08, June 27, 2011 (UTC)

Human Evolution 3.0 (Map Game)
Do you want to play this map game that I has just made.

Colonies of Vassals
I suppose that is acceptable, but all existing rules apply. For example, if you create a colony, you could say it is administered from your vassal. Any questions let me know. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 20:56, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Genoa and Kalmar Union should be long gone. I'm in communication with the player for Burgundy, and he wants me to hold onto his country. Also, I was calculating my colony sizes today, and I noticed your colonial expansion has been WAY outside the bounds of the rules ever since you started doing the maps yourself :/… Do you have a problem with the rules or something? You not understand the limits? <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 06:11, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

It's the sum for all of them. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 07:07, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Since you've put a lot of work into the game I'm not going to make you have a natural disaster but I suggest you cut down on colonial expansion for the next few decades to make it fair. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 18:14, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

By cut down I mean expand less. Maybe at about half for 50 years or so. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 18:38, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Human Evolution 3.0

hey there. um, on Human Evolution 3.0, the map game, you made a species that was very similar to mine. could you please change your species so it isn't so similar to mine, or maybe we could make it so your species is a relative of mine. don't wanna make a big thing of this, so can we keep this between ourselves?

TJMW

saw your edit, thanks. I wonder what'd happen if our species met. we'll see in due time, won't we?

I suppose you could include it in your post like "Due to a volcanic eruption…" Or you could make it a mod action like " A volcano erupts on the island of La Palma.  <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk)  16:30, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

Also, I will do today's map. But I will be unable to do the following two/three maps or so. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 18:13, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, make an article for your vassal. You can set it up similar to your main country article but it doesn't have to have much detail. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 17:52, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

My New Map Game
Hey,

I just started the Imperialist America (Map Game), and I would like some players to help me out and to start it, tell your friends, I tink itll be interesting. DeanSims 15:52, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

You can start the Brazillian Revolution right now if you wish as Brazil is occupied with the war in Europe at the time. DeanSims 17:30, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Whichever gives me more territory
thanks for telling me, which ever option gives me more territory, or can i move down to the tip of Sout America. DeanSims 19:24, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

Inca Empire
Sorry I was gone so long, but I need more details before I can make a full decision. What I have in mind is: Crim was allowed to colonize according to colonization rules and/or the algorithm but since the Inca was taken over by a player, now war is the only option. I shall let Crimson know that any repeated insistence otherwise will result in his banning. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 01:48, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not going to let Crimson get away with this. I just need a summary of what's going on. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 18:56, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

Natural Disasters
I'm thinking we should start using natural disasters from OTL for Principia Moderni. We could start with the 1607 Bristol tsunami and the 1600-1650 malaria outbreak (halving expansion in South America). <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 18:21, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Heres the Map For Imperialist America
Do you think this map could work for the map game? DeanSims 18:27, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Thank You for the help
The map looks GREAT! Te only problem is that British Guania is now Grench, otherwise it is completley awesome/perfect. Thanks again!! DeanSims 20:09, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Thnkas agian, the map wouldnt work very good in my paint version, so can I email you the base map? DeanSims 22:43, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Assistance in Principia Moderni
China has recently been invaded and is in dire need of assistance. Hanthawaddy has invaded the southern portion and Russia decided to jump on the bandwagon and invade western China. They have attacked unprovoked and I wish for help so China can reclaim its territory and maybe push into the invading countries.

China is the main provider of silk and rice to Europe, along with many spices, gold, and other items key to European luxury and even integrity. Should China fall, Europe, and perhaps even the entire Old World, will be in a state of economic disaster.

Should you help China, you will be rewarded with extremely powerful naval ships, gold, silk, and other treasures. In addition, China has already pledged to stop the invasion of Inca. CrimsonAssassin 21:26, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Algorithm
I think in this case we are looking at several separate wars: Sweden-Hanthawaddy, China-Hanthawaddy, China-Russia, and Vietnam-Hanthawaddy. In each case Russia and Hanthawaddy are against China/Vietnam/Sweden/Brandenburg. It would be cool if I would do the first two wars and you could do the second two, it is usually a lot of work. Thanks! <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 15:33, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Include the seconds as well as minutes. Basically multiply the nonzero digits together. Then divide by his edit count at the time (you will have to go back in history to determine his edit count at the time, using Special:EditCount) OR divide his edit count by the product, whichever gets more than 1. Then multiply that by pi (or 3.14159265), and take the fourth digit, so 9.87654321 would be 5.

Also I think I'll do Hanthawaddy/Vietnam as well. I got thrown off when you made Scandinator change his post. We'll have to put off the algorithm for that one until he acknowledges the war. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 18:06, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Haha I just realized I've been using the 2011-07-31T16:42:09 format for time, which is the only one that uses seconds. I guess from now on we shouldn't use seconds. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 16:45, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Go ahead and go to preferences and change to the 2011-07-31T16:42:09 format under Date and Time because that way it will be more fair. But in the future we'll go without the seconds. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 18:04, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Colonies (PM)
You may merge the colonies as long as they are reasonable distance. You might be able to merge Ujfundlandi and Labrador or possibly Obol and Uruguay but otherwise no. Also you can't recycle through colonies, i.e. having one declare independence and getting another colony. The maximum number of colonies at independence is 7, if that makes any sense. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 18:37, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

The war is Japan vs. Sweden, so use Japan and Sweden as the main players, but Vietnam and Anglo-Germany also count. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 19:09, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

Axis vs Allies
Hi, Collie. As you may know, the original AvA is sadly defunct. The end had dissolved into a quagmire of space race, sports, inventions. In short, it was a hell of a mess. However, I have created a new AvA, the Axis vs Allies Revised. I am not going to allow what happened to the original map game happen here. As of such, I invite you to be part of my map game. I will also allow you to be a mod, since I have played many games with you.. Once again, I invite you to the new, improved, and revised version of Axis vs Allies. Sincerely, PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs)

Imperialsit America
Please vist the map game when you get a chance, I want a meeting with all the games players.

DeanSims 14:15, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

PS, Please tell the others to visit the games talk page.

PM Map 1635
I think I can do the map today. Have you already started it? <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 15:50, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I think I will do the next map. Vassals can expand independently but since they are much weaker, they may need the assistance of their overlords. It doesn't necessarily count as a full turn. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 16:46, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Hey. I uploaded over the 1630 map and key and I noticed you undid my changes on the 1635 map and key. I understand that you update the map every day but I expect that any changes I make are kept on the next map. That's why I prefer you do the map all at once, to accomodate changes. I will do the 1640 map, but I expect you to accomodate changes to the map when me or other users post them. Technically, any user can edit the map on their own country. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 23:43, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

Axis vs allies revised

 * United Kingdom: The British declare war on the Soviet Union and Poland, and 200,000 thousand troops are sent to help Finland while the British Navy begins attacking ALL Soviet ships and much of its coastline cities. The UK response to the Soiets is that yes you were on the defensive, but how many other nations were on the defensive that you conquered, it is time to teach you communist scum what you deserve. Britain withfraws all penalties from Germany due to the Treaty of Versailes and other treaies thereafter, Germany is given the green light to fully mobilize its entire armed forces and navy to attack Poland asnd the USSR, of which all of European Poland and Russia will be ceded to it, the Baltic States, and Finland. The British Army invades the Soviet Union through Persia, and the army, numbering 200,000 men, begins to destroy the Soviet countryside and cities, hoping that Germany will launch an attack soon though Poland, draining more Soviet-Polish troops to another front.
 * Please read it and tell me on my talkpage what you are willling to do
 * thanks,
 * DeanSims 16:16, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * You have a deal, can Brtish forces and planes use your bases?

Colony
Uhh, not exactly sure what you just said but you must create a colony in India before taking any territory. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 17:50, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

As Germany can you kill of Hitler and become a republic, it would make things much better between you and France as well as taking out a reason fro France and other copuntries to leave the alliance. Please reply.

DeanSims 22:28, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Why on earth are you leaving just when things were getting interesting? Russia will lose in a war against us as we have more population then them which could be utilized. Rejoin please, please, please!! Ta!! :D Imperium Guy 16:26, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know who the user is. However, if you see, the UK has invaded the Soviets and I will aswell if they don't retreat. They are in as tight position as you are. America has not invaded and you could say that all concentration camps were disbanded when one OSS agent was captured and instead, all jews were given more rights and were sent to build millitary equipment. Also, 'this user' has said that Germany will retreat when Hungary has a stable government. You are in no way defeated. You could go on the diplomacy page and tell the Soviets that you will retreat or something. As I said, not defeated. Ta!! :D Imperium Guy 17:34, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Now you have the chance to execute all that as the whole thing has been retconed. I would advise you to join again now. No one would really notice. Go for it!! Ta!! :D Imperium Guy 17:44, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Deviantart
What's your account name on Deviantart? And did you draw you ID yourself? If you did, I got to say you did good work.

Yank 01:17, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Map Edits 1650
Hey, don't undo my edits. I edited the states of Itsaygahi, and changed the color for countries in civil disarray. Again, always transfer any changes I make onto the new map. Don't forget. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 21:54, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Just check the map to see that no one uploaded over, and it will be easier for everyone? <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 03:24, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

From Sweden
I agree to your proposal. I declared war on you as I fely attacking Venice - a new player, was very slack. Would you like to resume the alliance.

Hungarian Army
Hey how big was the army you used to invade Venice or how big do you imagine it would be, I need to add it to my history.

Civil War
So what effects will the civil war have on Venice? Venice would support the uprising against Bela and it would improve relationships between Hungary and Venice both Doge-wise and People-wise. Venice would also allow the ex Adriatic coast Nobles to re-enter the Adriatic coast territory so that they may regain certain valuables. Kunarian 15:06, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

Resources and a few groups of Furioso footmen (excellent urban fighters) along with several battaglione's of the Venetian Army, we will also use our extensive fleet to secure the coastline for the rebels. A greenland colony? the Venetian government had no previous plans and it would conflict with my future plans, why is it important may I ask? Kunarian 16:33, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

AvAr
Do you want to attack Belgium, if you do, I would support you!! :D Imperium Guy 17:13, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

Could I buy Madacascar off you for 50% profit for you? :D Imperium Guy 11:53, September 16, 2011 (UTC)

Pleaseeee!!! ;(( Imperium Guy 19:03, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

I like the Jews in Madagascar as it would become the new Israel and there would be no holocaust, yay!! BTW you need to post one post on AvAr to say you have sold it to me because I am walking the tightrope right now in Africa. One last request? :D Imperium Guy 19:19, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you so very much!!! :D Imperium Guy 19:46, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Questions
Population does not be exact. Based on historical figures, it is easy to determine that log(population) of Hanthawaddy is between 3 million and 30 million (probably closer to 30 million, but still). Any number in that range yields a log of 7.

Any improvement that's internal and takes a full turn.

Resources are not too difficult to find on Wikipedia. Öböl could definitely grow cash crops. Hungary has mostly fertile land, but do more research into the soil quality.

You can unmark Burgundy if you want. The owner might come back in October, though. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 18:18, September 17, 2011 (UTC)

Template
Hi. I just finally completed working on a key for Principia Moderni. It would save a ton of time and make things more organized once we incorporate stability points or something to that effect.

I've been working for hours and am ready to call it a day, so if you feel up to it, would you mind replacing the conventional graphic key with a template? Here's the basic format:

Example:

yields:


 * CENSORED****

<small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 05:50, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

PS If for some reason I screwed up your talk page let me know and I will try to fix your page tomorrow. In the mean time you can remove the template.

Weird, it actually does screw up. Darn. Maybe it's just the fact that it's a talk page, it works fine on my sandbox. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 03:33, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you :)
Thank you for your help, I appreciate that. ^^ --Galaguerra1 16:56, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

West Doutsuchihou
Just give it to him, I guess. The famine would help his cause anyway. Mostly because the central government is weak, and Sweden has grown powerful. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 21:58, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Principia Moderni Chinese Claims
Hey, sorry I haven't responded until now. I'll take some territory in southern Aztec territory too. CrimsonAssassin 13:47, September 23, 2011 (UTC)

Ottoman War
The Peloponnesus is not essential to a byzantine state, in fact it was one of the first greek lands lost but if you feel it nessesary then ok, Rhodes fine, Crete, divided in my new map. I will post a new map showing some new territory I would like to claim, just realised I could take Jerusalem if that does not bother you. Also we will gain extra lands from the war as I am also launching an assualt so any px left over from me can go to you if you want to use them anywhere. Kunarian 16:27, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Good news! should this war contineu uninterupted by outside powers we will take enough territory together to overthrow their government, in other words, their land will become our playground to remodel and there should be no restrictions on what we can accomplish. so then we can be much more free with our acquisitions and make much more appealing looking territorial divides. Kunarian 17:08, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Same situation as with the Mughal War. If you invaded first, you take your 10,000 px. Then redo the algorithm for his 1000 px, which would probably come out to more like 900 px. Add it together and you have 10,900 px. Now redistribute the land based on percentages. Say you got 10% and 1%, respectively. You would get 10%/(10+1)% of the 10,900 and he would get 1%/(10+1)% of the 10,900. I know it sounds complex, but it is a way to ensure that several countries don't end up annihilating another and not having enough territory to go around. Also, if you both take a total of 50%, you both can decide wha happens to the government/empire. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:18, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, but at reduced relations with the country. And for player nations, you can force the government into exile, but for non-player countries, you can just exert control. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:02, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

THis is Russia's claim, 5 and 6 are puppets. Abhazia is russian, because, well, we actualy invaded ottomans from there. anywho, heres my proposal!



Venice in General
Yes, I'm pretty sure that unfortunately the Duke or Marquiss of Mantua (Mantova) does not have any daughters considering that the Marquiss has ceased to exist about 200 years ago and the Duke has had no "legitamate" children. Kunarian 16:49, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

Math for Algorithm
Civil dissaray just means gains in the country decreased by 1.5 (multiply by 2/3). For the full calculation of net gains, it simpler than you think. Take the gains from the first algorithm, then subtract it from the total. Next, take the gains from the second algorithm, and subtract the total. Then, do the same for the third algorithm. If more than 33.33% of the country is gone, then China can take control. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 20:48, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

Mamluks
We already conquest the Hafsids and the Zyyynids. Vietnam, I think, has Marocco as a vassal, and Venice and Hungary almost destroyed the Ottoman Empire. Logicly, the next target in our crusade is the Mamluk Sultanate. The invasion should not necessary be soon, but, when we strart it, all the countries will obtain huges quantities of territory. I'm thinking about iniciate the invasion myself.--Galaguerra1 16:17, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

I want a tiny part of the Northern Egypt, the Sinai and the coasts of the Red Sea. You can take the rest of Egypt, including the coasts of the Mediterranean Sea. Probably I'll have to give territory also to Naples and Sweden. We will pact it in the treaty, with the war already ended. --Galaguerra1 16:31, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

It seems fine. I want, at least, a outlet to the Mediterranean, the Red Sea and the Gulf of Persia. If I won't have to distribute the lands between many countries, I will give you more territory than that. --Galaguerra1 17:14, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

The Map there is sort of pixiellated, so I made a new one, showing the small Amount Naples will take (as you may guess from my last post, the Papal states are planning to take control of the Crusader State Jerusalem). Since French Algeria got so little during the Hafsid War, Naples is only taking a tiny amount from around Jerusalem in this one. Since Hungary wanted the Rest or Egypt, I gave it that. LurkerLordB 02:35, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Sweden would like a continuation of their Libyan territories through most (if not all) of Egypt. Hungary can take all of Arabia if they wish. Other opition is if Sweden takes Arabia, but both require at least a 280km (40 px) long coastal strip into the Mediterranean, the Red Sea and the Gulf of Persia. Also Sweden wants to control the Sinai Peninsula. Scandinator

Does Sweden really need all of that? Can't they just take what is current unclaimed Arabian territory? Because Hungary already requested Egypt, and France claimed their portions first, and France is leading the war.LurkerLordB 00:40, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Fine I'll stick with the Arabian area, but I still need a Mediterranean outletScandinator

Naples could give up their outlet to Sinai in trade for more territory inland.How about this?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 06:23, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

I think it's okay. I have anyway que best part of the conquered land. --Galaguerra1 16:52, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I'll take the new deal that collie posted on my talk page Scandinator

I would give up the Sinai outlet for more territory inland, but the current map you posted on my talk page gives me less territory inland than my initial proposal. Maybe double the size of Jerusalem in that picture, with the other half going right to the east of the current territory.... LurkerLordB 20:54, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

Vietnamese-Irish War
The war in Ireland is pretty much allready over, and Vietnamese soldiers have not even set foot in the Irish colony. Feel free to annex it, as Vietnam doesn't really care about the colony. It's Ireland itself that the Vietnamese really care about.

Yank 19:24, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Map
Just so you know, you've been missing a lot lately on the map. I've had to upload stuff over multiple times. For example, the last map, you didn't divide Central America correctly (on the meridian), and I made the change, but you ignored it on the next map. You also reverted when I deactivated the Mughal Empire, took over the Andaman/Nicobar Islands, and some of my expansion in Papua and Australia. Please be careful, as some players don't check the map and they might be cheated out of territory that way. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 02:10, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I added my gains for the appropriate years. If you have any doubts then read through the posts. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:09, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

You don't have to do an algorithm for the colony. As long as Vietnam agrees, go ahead and just take it. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 00:48, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you Collie but there were a few problems with the new map: <p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; ">If you could fix these that would be great. Scandinator
 * Scotland north of the Hadrian Wall is Swedish. South is AGC.
 * France and Burundy have annexed all of the Zyannids aka Algeria.
 * France's colonies are a different colour to France itself

Military expansion doesn't reset. Because it isn't fair that countries in minor wars should be reset just like major wars. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 21:51, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Re: there may be a little problem
It might be because of the network I am using during the times of around 8:00-4:00 eastern time. that network is NOT my home network, the network I use during the times listed for some reason doesnt support the normal layout of the site and it is basicaly a miracle when it actualy lets me post edits, usualy it just gives me simple HTML format and I'm not allowed to edit visual components(guess its a bandwidth and internet traffic thing). It just started letting me post in the last phew days, and coincidentaly it just so happens that the days it let me post somebody uploaded an image, other days I posted form school nobody did and my edit turned out fine, so I had no way of knowing that it was going to happen. I'll try to complain to make them fix the formating problem at school, but untill hten wait untill I get home to edit when there's a map posted. When I replied to persia I guess its because I used my home network.LxCaucassus 02:24, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

PM Great Northern War
Could Hungary and Greece support Sweden??? We helped set up the current dynasty...Scandinator 08:27, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

Thank You!!!Scandinator

How much is 5.3 % of russia??Scandinator 08:26, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I downloaded ColorCounter and I have sent my territorial demands to Lx. Thanks for suggesting it! Also Scotland is a Swedish puppet state.Scandinator 11:41, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Great Northern War
Will join the war on Russia's side? If you do, he may become a good ally for you. (P.S. are you an ally of Sweden?)

RandomWriterGuy 22:07, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Do not join the dark side! Yemen's only objective is to restore peace! Doctor261 15:16, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

What comment? And I'm just joking about the dark side. Doctor261 15:47, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Sweden gained Livonia, bits of the northern part of Lithuania (around 1000px but inland) and The Estonian IslandsScandinator 09:15, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Collie, all that happened is Scan said that on the map game page. Lx never agreed to anything, and his posts have all, in fact, said the opposite. Sweden has not gained any of those places.

Lordganon 09:27, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

AvA(r)
A lot has changed and Germany has an itresting situation. The Nazi regime has fallen, Russia has lost Poland and France (my nation) is offering Germany an alliance if you return.82.14.49.186 03:34, November 5, 2011 (UTC)(AKA-Billy)

Yeah... It's alternative history anyways... I just wanted Yemen to have alternative previous history. Yes, I've read a lot about Yemen in Wikipedia, so yeah. Doctor261 05:24, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Could you add Yemen to the map please? :P Doctor261 14:11, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Hungary
1) Give it a week. I haven't seen Kunarian on Conworlds since Oct 21 so i assume by now he's moved on.  But don't disconnect him for a month or so. 2) It's up to you. Changes are always nice and make our game a little more fun, just don't cause controversy. We can apply the stability curve in this case, and your bonus points will reset to 0.

I'm trying to devise a way to safely split Hanthawaddy into Hanthawaddy and Bengal, so it will be interesting to see what happens to the relations of our country. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 05:17, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

New Sweden Colony
My New Sweden colony has expanded by 110 px and was not updated on the 1725 map. Also, if you could, please add the 122px that I have expanded so far in this map phase. The stopage of New Swedish expansion was only till 1715. Also Hodlaand is missing 42px. Scandinator 12:34, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Stability Curve
Strange, I have trouble editing on my phone. But the algorithm should be set up as 23.5^1.25 divided by 1.25^23.5, times 2.5. Note the exponents are flipped around. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:57, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

I think your problem is you're not using exponents. Not sure if you're familiar with the convention, but 3^2 is like three squared. It might help to have a scientific calculator on hand. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 06:23, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Well, if you look at the map, you'll see where north is :P North-east would be going by coastline. North is indeed a Mamluk Territory. And North-west is that coastline passage. "Mamluk Corridor" ;D Doctor261 13:57, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Well... I didn't really invade them. We've just established a government there, because there was none. People are free to be the leaders of their cities. Doctor261 15:09, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Reasonable, reasonable. Well. Alright then. I'll mention going at war with them. But I really see no real point in doing algorithm, because it's already visible, that I have more developed military and organisation. Don't you agree? Doctor261 15:22, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Is there a map for OTL Arabian peninsula(or w/e it's called) in 18th century? Or a bit later? Doctor261 15:34, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Independence
You can keep your stability up by implementing taxation, building roads, doing economic ventures, helping prop up companies, fostering new technology, or create cultural unity. Yes a West African colony is okay as long as it stays in West Africa. The colony can be administered the same, although the regions and culture are massively different. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 02:39, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Africa
I'm okey with that. Ok, if you support me, I'm gonna give you that land in Cap-Vert. --Galaguerra1 06:16, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

Map Changes
There are several changes involving my territory that should have been added to the map last time, that weren't: Thank you for your edits! LurkerLordB 21:24, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Jerusalem is a puppet state, not a vassal, so it should be the lighter color
 * 2) Tunisia is a colony, not a vassal, so its southern border should be dark red
 * 3) Naples bought the Ethiopian colony on Northern Madagascar

I propose a deal. I give you all of my eastern Anatolia, and you give me western Anatolia. It is possible for both of us to benifit. Yours truly, Saamwiil 07:39, December 15, 2011 (UTC).


 * Okay, with an addition of 100 lira (look at Turan's page for a relative knowledge of prices), that I give up all of Eastern Anatolia, and you give me a the mere south of Western Anatolia. Saamwiil 07:46, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Here is my proposal, this with an additional 100 golden lira.



Nvm what I had said.... I only saw half of your post... So, this is what you are offering? Saamwiil 09:39, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, so this? I don't think I can bother though with that small strip near the blue on the world map. Saamwiil 09:57, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Saamwiil 10:33, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

????



Cilicia
May be we can change a colony for another colony. Let's see... Are you disposed to sell your olony in the OTL Río de la Plata or your Indian colony? Th fact is that I can not figure other way to buy colonias, as we don't have any monetary system. --Galaguerra1 16:17, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

It seems to be complicated. If you make this pact with Turan, so the economy of my crusader state will be affected, and a territorial loss like Cilicia... Ok, I'll accept the southern part of your Indian Colony, and to make the deal, our two countries will sign a treaty promising help each other in the colonisation of Africa (so, you will help me in my wars to conquest the african states, and vice versa; and We'll help each other in the urbanization and diplomatical fields). Deal? --Galaguerra1 17:20, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

I'm okey with that. You help me in my expansion, I help you in yours. We esxchange the colonies. And about Turan, I propose you two options: --Galaguerra1 19:40, December 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) You give him a port in the Dead Sea, so Turan act as a stopper between you and Russia and the main states that he may trade with are Hungary and Greece.
 * 2) Give him a portion of Cilicia qhen we make the deal in game, so he has acces to the Mediterranean.

Well, if you could show me a map of your offers, that would be nice. I am only trying to go with what you say.

I meant Black Sea. I always confuse them, I don't know why... Anyway, I'll make a map and show it to you --Galaguerra1 20:20, December 16, 2011 (UTC)



I cannot see it.

Yeah, I looked on mine. Saamwiil 20:54, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

I think I saw it. But it wasn't on either one of our talk pages.

This one?

Would it be possible to go with proposal a? Bte, did you make that map?

Emmmm. I do not understand. I will let you make that map...

Sweden
I have no problem to changing all of Sweden to France's colours. Also if you wish, I am on summer break so I have a little extra time, I could standardize all the map colours (borders, neutral states. etc) so you can colour count the whole map.Scandinator

Also, here is the new map for Africa to be uploaded in 1760 Scandinator 10:31, December 20, 2011 (UTC)



That's a lot of changes for just 1760, maybe 1770 would be better? LurkerLordB 14:47, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

My biggest concern is all of that expansion in the Sahara and Congo areas, as those areas should be the hardest to conquer and the hardest for the Europeans to imperialize, while with this it makes it easier for the Europeans to be able to conquer large amounts of territory faster than just by colonization. LurkerLordB 14:50, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

I'd better add it gradually. it does not make too much sense for a nation (Guinea) to rise up in the middle of a famine in its area.still, you are right, so much that i am right now making a algorythm to conquer Guinea in the 1770's.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 15:58, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Still, communication with the Kongo area wasn't cut off, as far as i know (West Africa isn't referring to the whole west coast of Africa), so i guess i could make a mod event to explain why one nation will disappear on the area.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 15:58, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Have you made the new map? Saamwiil 05:50, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Wait. Is it same old?Saamwiil 06:45, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

No, I'll look right now! Saamwiil 06:51, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I see it. Well, looks good enough for me.

Ok, Guinea will be established in 1757, the map should be placed in 1760. The West Africa refers to the entire area from Morocco south to just north of OTL South Africa- the Atlantic coast of Africa all suffered famine due to a freak climate cycle. And @LurkerLordB, the colonization speed picks up, By 1820 most nations can hit a half turn rate of 12200 sqkm a turn or 244px.Scandinator 08:56, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Plus wars are a lot harder to win by a large margin now.Scandinator 09:09, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

I have 2 questions.
 * 1) Is Bulgaria still your vassal?
 * 2) Has/Is Wallachia (been) your vassal?Saamwiil 04:53, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I don't want wallachia. I think one of my friends is going to play, and that's probably the nation they will take... Saamwiil 15:57, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Do you care for an alliance? We both are allied to Brother Russia, so why not to each other? Saamwiil 16:07, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

So, you want me to post the alliance on Principia Moderni?Saamwiil 06:53, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Okay... Saamwiil 07:08, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

American Empire Map Game
Join as the UK. It has the best posisition right now and still has colonies in the Caribbean, Central America, and a good possibility of oppening up Africa. Bobalugee1940 16:24, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

North america Principia Moderni
sounds like a good deal.-Lx (leave me a message) 17:52, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

Avatar
Alright, I have to ask, what is up with your avatar? Because to me it looks like a naked furry covering her breast. Bobalugee1940 00:55, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

PM Map
I have attempted to fix all the borders and nations so their colours are contiguous. This is based of the 1780 map and after this I was able to update industrialism in 5 minutes :D. Please use this map as the foundation for the 1785 one.Scandinator (talk) 10:22, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry the seas were still messed up and a couple of rouge pixels were still there. I have managed to make the entire thing with only 28 colours. Here is the new version.Scandinator (talk) 22:24, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

Why did you not use my cleaned up map for the the 1785 one???? There is only 28 colours in there not the 191 you current one has. Please use this map.Scandinator (talk) 09:06, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Seriously it will make everything so much easier...Scandinator (talk) 12:37, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Neapolitan Throne
OK, I am planning for King Benvolio III to die in 1796 after serving 45 ( 49 if you count his short reign before Carlo took over) years, the longest in Neapolitan history. As his sexual preference is not female, he has no other heirs, thus making prince Sàndros (or Alessandro as the Italian version of the name would be) the king of Naples. Unless the Hungarian law is different and would let his older sister Antonia be the queen of Hungary despite having a younger brother, this would put Naples and Hungary in dynastic union (unless you don't want that for some reason). Just a little notice so it won't be a surprise when Hungary gets all Neapolitan territory. Also, this would require (for the 1800 map) all of Naples being Hungarian brown in color (note that Ricasolia, as independent, would retain the light yellow of the Neapolitan independent colony). LurkerLordB (Talk) 02:07, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Well, Sandor is the oldest son of Maria, so he is the heir to the Neapolitan throne. As I do not think anywhere the daughter would be crowned if she had younger brothers, he would be the heir to the throne of Hungary as well. He can come into the Hungarian throne whenever you want, it's just the Neapolitan throne he will come into in 1796. They will stay in union as long as the descendents of Maria hold the Hungarian throne (unless Naples breaks away sooner). LurkerLordB (Talk) 21:26, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

I am confused by what the differece between dynastic and personal is. LurkerLordB (Talk) 15:00, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

I would assume it would be personal, unless Sandor's son or someone didn't want to take the throne of both nations and passed it to a brother or something. LurkerLordB (Talk) 18:38, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

She'd still inherit the throne, only if she had a brother herself would she be bypassed. LurkerLordB (Talk) 19:26, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

There needs to be 3 things changed to the map. Saamwiil 04:09, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) There is no Turan, there is GTA.
 * 2) Bulgaria is appart of the GTA.
 * 3) The new Greenlndic colony should be displayed.

Turan
I am starting to agree. Maybe we should stage a massive moderator revolt in all of his Bulgarian territory? LurkerLordB (Talk) 12:06, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Fjordlaand and Map Issues
Hey Collie. First Fjordlaand is expanding northwards. Your area in Argentina is safe. Secondly, this is an extract from the PM Talk Page

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: normal; margin-left: 40px;">Hey Collie, sorry to trouble you again but Sweden is missing Hanover (1809), South east Greenland (1806 to 1809), Svalbard (1802) and one round of expansion from Thorlaand of 15250 sqkm. Scandinator (talk) 06:51, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: normal; margin-left: 40px;">Also, France must be coloreted in Russia's color. --Galaguerra1 16:47, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Could you fix this ASAP? Or would you like me to do it? Scandinator (talk) 20:32, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Avaro
Hi Collie! You still want to play in Avaro Map Game? I ask because you have not written in a good time :/ jeje Regards! --Katholico 17:34, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Newfoundland/New Vietnam
Does that mean I can't expand New Vietnam anymore?

Yank 01:19, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

You don't have to say anything. I understand. That's why I went from expanding New Vietnam to expanding my East African colony.

Yank 16:20, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Gone for a week
Tomorrow, I will be unable to post, and I won't be able to post for the 6 days after that. Therefore, I had a strongly pro-royalist faction win the elections in Naples, so King Giorgio will be able to control them directly. This is an IC excuse for you to control Naples until I get back. Keep expanding Pahang in the areas that I claimed for the Rotterdam conference. Adopt the Metric system in the schedule I gave out. Thank you for your help! LurkerLordB (Talk) 01:24, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

I am back, thank you! LurkerLordB (Talk) 00:48, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Bharat-Persian Land Deal
They never posted it on the main page, but I found the image of their land deal of what Persia will give to Bharat, so you should add it to the map for 1835:

LurkerLordB (Talk) 00:50, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

King of Hungary-Naples
I thought it was Gyorgy, but then it changed to Karoly without anything mentioning and now it is Gyorgy again. Was it supposed to be Karoly to begin with? Or did Gyorgy I die? LurkerLordB (Talk) 15:56, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

TSPTF
Would you be interested in a promotion to a Lieutenancy?

Lordganon 21:57, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

What you're doing now, just with block/delete rights. Lordganon 07:46, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Done. Accept the nomination and give your reasons here. Lordganon 17:23, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, you also need to state why you'd like the position, Collie. Even something as simple as saying that it would make moderating a map game easier, lol. Lordganon 06:47, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

The PM Map
Hey Collie, I would just like to ask the next time you post the PM map, could you have my Australian colonies expanded in the direction of the arrows? This is because I have taken over the Spanish colony (using an algorithim) and I need Hindustan bordering it so it could merge into one colony. I have made sure that this expansion is inland in a very southernly direction and does not grow along the coast ( I will focus on that after 1865). For the Naya Bharat colony (the northern one), the arrow is just to show the general direction. :D Imperium Guy 20:15, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't know about that, thanks! And it was quite confusing what you wrote about the algorithim. I thought my margin was large enough (isnt 26 quite a lot?). I would also like to ask, if on the algorithim it is a significant victory for me, would I get Spain's other colony on Australia as well, even though I only intended for one? :D Imperium Guy 22:23, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Newfoundland
France proper is invading, so I'll create a puppet on the island and annex the rest of the lands directly to Nouvelle-France (that is right now another french puppet). I'm planning on continue this "Napoleon" thing until 1874, so you can decide when you want to regain independence, though I think that at most Newfoundland should remain french until 1870. Some socialist movements should exist on Újfundlandi, as it had storng relationships with the classist countries and I've been sending ambassadors to spread the socialism since Haiti is independent.--Galaguerra1 01:37, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations, you are now a Lieutenant in the TSPTF. I would like to spend sometime discussing those powers:


 * You should now notice a red button at the top of every article with the word "Delete". You can use this to delete articles, obviously. Use this power sparingly and always stay within the framework of the Deletion Policy. The policy itself was passed with little discussion, so if you have any suggestions or comments regarding it I would be glad to hear it.
 * You can also block users from editing. This can be done by clicking on the History page for articles or the Contributions tab on editor's user pages. Again, use this sparingly. This is our most destructive tool. We don't have a policy on this, but there is a general custom that has been followed: always assume good faith with edits (unless obviously vandalism), warn before blocking (try using the three strikes approach) and start with short block durations for first time offenders. Generally other administrators will not interfere with your decisions regarding blocks, as long as it appears fair on its face.
 * You will also notice a button on the top of every article that says "Protect". With this you can prevent certain people from editing a single article. The first level prevents anons and new users from editing an article. The second level limits editing only to administrators. Use this to prevent excessive vandalism or to prevent edit wars between users.
 * There are other obscure powers that are not used often. If you have any questions on those or the ones I mentioned above, feel free to ask me.

Again, congratulations on being elected to the TSPTF and good luck.

Lordganon 09:11, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Welcome ;) You're free to copy your nation from Venice, since Portugal is almost same, but adjust the income etc. I'm planning on removing the treasury and income thing and make the income High, Medium or Low, but I'm wondering if someone would agree to this. Managing treasury every turns takes a whole bunch of work. Plus, when a nation recruits a lot of infantry and you have to calculate all that.

Australian Kingdom (PM)
Just wanted to tell you that there is the map on where the Australian Kingdom is going to be situated (its the light green). :D Imperium Guy 16:46, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

The game is called Europa Universalis 3 ;) Doctor261 ''' (Talk to Doctor261) 03:14, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

I see. :P Well, you could just enjoying playing like this ;P Doctor261 ''' (Talk to Doctor261) 07:42, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Portugal
Portugal has 8k infantry + 2k cavalry army. Due to some reasons, it's called "1st army" but I suggest you change it to something else. Make your nation page also :P Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 10:51, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

You're missing a turn in MP :) Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 16:26, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Well, anything can be done. The weapon is imagination. You can for example commission a building a new port, doing something related to a marriage, form new alliances. And you can also help me with the rules, NPC actions and other stuff. :) Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 16:32, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

I have not yet written off the names and their statistics yet. You could help me with that. Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 16:36, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

About investment? Well, it will pop up on random turns. But I'm planning on removing tech level too, because it's kind of RPGish, while we're trying to roleplay here. Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 16:40, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Axis vs Allies: Reloaded
Things are getting active in Axis vs Allies: Reloaded (Map Game) and there is war in South America, so a move by Argentina would be welcomed.The River Nile-2 13:45, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Columbus: First Contact?
Hi. This is my first map game, and I need more players to start. would you mind joining? David Rain 14:41, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Listen Please (PM)
Hey Collie, could you please notice that the territories of Onguayal and Bharat are like shown. Persia's colonies have been divided and Persia's division has already been decided atleast 20 years ago. However Colllie, it seems like you have not take this into consideration. Here is the map of Bharat's proper territories: The colonies have been given their colours. However, the one in South America next to the French colony has not been decided yet. Please take this into consideration when you make the 1910 map please. Imperium Guy 10:59, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

Could you expand Bharat's colonies (and Onguayal) please and for Afganistan, I never really allowed it to be taken, as all of the region taken away from Afghanistan is hindu, I made sure that Afghanistan was hindu. :P Imperium Guy 11:51, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Creativity Level: 0%
Hey, man. I don't know what happened, but all what comes to my mind on what to do in PM, is to expand. I want you to give me some ideas on what I can do at the current situation... Doctor261 ''' (Talk to Doctor261) 08:50, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Industrial level (PM)
Hey Collie! I was wondering, wouldn't Bharat now be orange on the industialization scale? I have industrialized almost all years since 1830 and have build huge industry and roads. BTW, could colonies become like OTL Australia, i.e be quite low on the OTL industrialization scale and then by 2012 have the 2nd Highest HDI index? Just wondering, you know. ;D Imperium Guy 20:33, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

I know it doesn't really matter, but it feels nice to be at stage four, you know. It also enables my colonies to be yellow, so more industrialized. :D Imperium Guy 21:24, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Collie, did you expand Naya Australia properly? :/ Imperium Guy 00:23, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

But I posted when the turn was still going on (I'm pretty sure), and my turn was posted hrs before the 1925 map was. And Naya Australia didnt seem to expand 280000 km over the 4 yrs I did legimately post, js. :/ Imperium Guy 12:59, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

I did put it on the PM talkpage, but here it is again. So I can expand 3050 (according to you), so I do *7 (industrial bonus), *3 (the difference between uncivilized/civilized) and *1.5 (expansion with rivers, into forests or for helping the populace), giving me 96075km, which I promptly round up to 96100km. I am not expanding Sindu for this reason. BTW, where do you get 60,000 and 163500km from as well, just wondering. ;D Imperium Guy 15:25, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Afganistan isn't a vassal, its a puppet in a dynastical union with Bharat. :D Imperium Guy 11:38, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

BTW, how do you expand 60,000km for an independant country, I have only managed to get 45,000km for Onguayal. And for Australia, are you just distributing my expansion between the three states equally? :s Imperium Guy 19:28, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

Um, I'm not really sure!! :/ Imperium Guy 09:51, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

My colonies will form into the Federation of Australia and initially will be in a dynastical union with Bharat but be independent (like OTL Australia). Then, there will be a referendum to join the Kingdom of Australia in a referendum and it will say yes. So the western seaborad will all become Australia!! :D Imperium Guy 20:33, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Hey Collie, here is a map showing how Onguayal divided the French colony after the war and how Australia turns out after its little war with Bharat. It also shows Bengal larger as the new maharaja as establish a union of parliaments after going into a dynastical union with the country. There is the map. I am just bringing it to your attention (do note all my turns have been before the new turn began so all this would be recognised, you can check the history) :D Imperium Guy 11:55, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Principia Moderni II Map
I labelled it. Is this good? LurkerLordB (Talk) 18:36, June 25, 2012 (UTC) LurkerLordB (Talk) 22:50, June 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) The decision was that you could control up to 3 of your former colonies at one time (that means you can control 3, and then have another break away, drop control of one of your 3 former colonies [not the main nation] and take control of it.
 * 2) The Sovereignty Defense League helps any nation they consider civilized (Pretty much all but the native South American and African ones) if they are being invaded by someone with the intent to conquer them.

Um... this map does not seem to match the world in 1450. Burgundy still held strong in Flanders and China held a large portion of Amur province. Venice also has many small settlements along the Adriatic Sea and there are many other minor problems. May I attempt to fix these? Scandinator (talk) 10:41, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I'll get started on Sunday after I go to my university library to find a few sources to help. Scandinator (talk) 09:40, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Avaro
A move by Argentina is needed as the game is heating up. fast!90.244.91.233 14:43, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

IN PM- I re- organized my two colonies into one called New Wales.-Wales- Andr3w777 (talk) 21:56, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

PMII Map
I have spent the last 3 days in three different libraries looking for elusive maps of the time period 1445-1455. Needless to say, after going to the three biggest libraries in Sydney, I found maps that cover small patches of the world. I now have enough mini maps to form a world picture and fix the borders of all the states in; Europe minus HRE minors (as in the tiny ones), America minus Mississipi states (which had all collapsed by the last 15th century), Africa and Asia. If you allow me to then I will fix up the map to 1450 but I estimate it will take two months (uni entrance tests in early August plus OCD). If having the map on the week before PMII is launched is too tight for you then I will give all the maps I have gathered to someone else. But be warned, I sourced about 60% of the maps from French and German books (I have a basic grasp of both languages) so I was wondering if you are fine with letting me rework the entire map over the next two months? I sent this to LurkerLordB too. Thanks Scandinator (talk)

Sindu Expansion (PM)
Hey Collie! I am a little confused as to how Sindu is being expanded a bit slowly. I have the expansion of 110250km per year, and yet it has expanded very little. If you are expanding my colony into the grey countries, them my expansion should still be 55150km/55100km. I am just confused why it is not being expanded at that rate as everything adds up (plus you didn't show Sara belonging to Sundu on the map). Just wondering! :D Imperium Guy 14:28, July 13, 2012 (UTC)



What conference was this? And Libya has not been expanded, so even if they have claims, it would be poitless to follow by them if the country/colony is not expanded. If it was expanding, then yes. And the thing is, you could show Sindu having completely taken up all the area I supposedly had claimed. :/ Imperium Guy 22:51, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

I was searching, and I found the Rochefort Conference of 1896. This was how it would be split up. However, since Libya has not expanded, and has already expanded in most of the area allocated to them, I think I should get my "deserved" expansion. :D Imperium Guy 18:40, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Support us (PM)
Hey Collie! As you can see, there seems to be a war on the horizon. Bharat would like Hungary to side with as it would help us defeat Russia (and its lot) as well as help your puppets gain land. The main ones would be the ones in North America. Here, you will gain more land next to the coast and get to expand without Russian fear. We would like all of your puppets and vassals to help as well as it will mean a great deal.



Plus, in South Africa, we can also offer you land. It is up to you how you take it. You can add it on to your colony or give it away to one of your puppets or even make it a new puppet under your control.

Plus, if you want more land next to mainland Hungary, just ask! :D Imperium Guy 16:58, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

And I tell you sir, my good friend Hungary, support your fellow European nation Russia in the defense of the motherland! Together we wll crush the Asians and end the Cold War for the glory of the Europeans! Plus you can get the colonies from Bharat when they lose! (I mean Bharati colonies in Africa and whatnot.)

So help Europe!

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:05, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Bharat warns Hungary of the ways of the Danish. They are not the nicest people, and please support Bharat. We will help crush the Russian menace once and for all and we will establish a buffer state between the two countries after the war is over! <:/ Imperium Guy 22:02, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

I really am getting tired of people lying about me. It angers me a lot, on the internet and especially in RL. That's what gets me in trouble at school. I warn you of the ways of Bharat. They persecute their people.

And Imp, how am I not the nicest people? I'm nice to Swedes, Norwegians, Greenland, all of Europe, and Asians in my land too! I don't deport Bharatis and Nipponese and Chinese and Vietnamese and Joseonic people from my land! I don't persecute the non-Christian people! My government is secular, and all that other stuff. I am America with a King, that's all! I let women vote, I give everyone equal wages, I outlawed racism and slavery, and a crapload of other stuff!

You persecute people, you kill them for not being Buddhist, you turn people against their will, and you're not very nice to other Europeans. Collie, side with Europe. It is your duty as a European. We already have the rest of Europe on the European side. Besides, you can have the Bharati African colonies too. What more can ya ask for?

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:50, July 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Bharat does not kill people. And we are hindu, not buddhists. You are thinking of the Bengalis. Complete difference. And when does Bharat deport people? Instead, we have provided a safe haven for Zorostians (I think that is how they spell that) and we, although not officially secular, are a very tolerant society. Please support us! [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:02, July 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, Bangladesh is controlled by you and basically a Bharati puppet. Either way, you're not very kind to non-Hindus. Wasn't someone deporting Muslims and Buddhists to Africa or something?
 * Either way, Hungary, join your Christian and European brothers. [[Image:IMPERIAL NY-SPQR 1.png|25px]][[Image:Regen Flag.png|30px|border]] Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:07, July 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * That was Bengal as well. Is not Bangladesh (yet, lol). We are actually quite kind! :P [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:44, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

I on the behalf of all of Europe implore that you join us in this war. Nippon is using this war for territorial gain, dispite whatever Bharat or Nippon have told you. As Hungary you are European and it is an obligation to aid Europe in its time of need. I am asking instead of demanding because you are one of the powers of the world. The European Alliance will grant Hungary land and control over any regions that are succeded from Nippon/Bharat in the event of war. We need you and implore you to see our reasoning. With Europe defeated the Asian Powers will stand unapposed. Bharat is a cruel nation that subjigates its population. Would you want the free world to fall to THAT? We would be most greatful for your aid.Andr3w777 (talk) 21:06, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

European side: Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Greenland, Arctica, Nouvelle Copenhague, Wales, New Wales, Russia, the Russian Commonweakth nations, Ethiopia, Breslau, Czechland, Austria.

Asian side: All of Imp's nations, all of Von's nations, all of Crim's nations, all of Yank's nations. That makes more than 30 nations.

No nukes. We really need you to help us. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:24, July 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * China is not on our side, so that is a significant amount less! :/ [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:44, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

PM Map
Why is Australia yellow?  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 05:27, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Can you change it to green?  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 07:43, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Future of Hungary in Principia Moderni
I've been thinking about writing mod events making the Poles, Slovaks and Romanians declare independance from Hungary. Not all at once, of course. To distinguish it from the Russian vassal I'd give the Polish state the latin name of Polonia. I like using latin names when the other names are less interesting. That's why I called Alsatia that instead of Alace. I'd call the Romanian state Transylvania and the Slovak state Slovakia. I'd let you keep the Czechs so that you can keep a seaport. What do you think of this plan? Yank 19:41, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

I on the behalf of all of Europe implore that you join us in this war. Nippon is using this war for territorial gain, dispite whatever Bharat or Nippon have told you. As Hungary you are European and it is an obligation to aid Europe in its time of need. I am asking instead of demanding because you are one of the powers of the world. The European Alliance will grant Hungary land and control over any regions that are succeded from Nippon/Bharat in the event of war. We need you and implore you to see our reasoning. With Europe defeated the Asian Powers will stand unapposed. Bharat is a cruel nation that subjigates its population. Would you want the free world to fall to THAT? We would be most greatful for your aid.Andr3w777 (talk) 21:06, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Really all of Europe on one side. Nippon Bharat and Vietnam on the other. No use of nukes is authorised. Andr3w777 (talk) 22:21, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

I think the other mods banned nukes. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:39, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Wait, you are the leader of a PM NAM aren't you? So all this was pointless? :o Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:02, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

PMII Map
Hi Collie, I'm making process on the PMII map and to help me distinguish player nation's overseas territory I'm starting to ask for colour requests. Also I remember last time you complaining about running out of colours so I have a solution. On the RGB scale the numbers 0, 51, 102, 153, 204, 255 used in any combination are easy to divide from each other, therefore with this method we can have about 60 players with different colours for vassals and independant nations. So... What colour would you like for Portugal? Scandinator (talk) 23:37, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

You've got green. Apparantly blue is ridiculously popular. -.- Scandinator (talk) 00:32, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I forgot about it. It was on the map already though. Scandinator (talk) 00:08, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

PMII Colonies
I assume the same number as we were allowed in the last game, unless you want to change it. LurkerLordB (Talk) 22:38, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

Hello Collie. I am AP. In PMII, i am trying to create a UK-style country. Would Portugal like to become a home nation of a United Kingdom of Iberia and France?(if you noticed, France is onboard).AP (talk) 01:07, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

A home nation is a constituent part of a United Kingdom. In OTL, the UK has 4 home nations: England,Scotland,Wales,and North Ireland. In this game the home nations would be : Spain,Portugal(combined as Iberia),and France.AP (talk) 16:13, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

Sim, a Irlanda, por exemplo, nunca esteve em uma união dinástica com Inglaterra ou Escócia eles ainda faziam parte do Reino Unido. Desculpe o meu português falado é melhor que o meu português escrito: D minha tia é do Brasil e ela me ensinou português. Fui ao Brasil duas vezes (para Recife e Rio de Janeiro). Estou indo novamente em 2014 para a copa do mundo: DAP (talk) 00:37, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

é por isso que eu queria uma união dinástica, de ter tudo sob um monarca, mas cada "nação casa" iria controlar seus próprios assuntos (exatamente como é no Reino Unido). Ela torna mais fácil e seu país seria governado sob o monarca, mas você vai jogar como a autônoma auto-governo.AP (talk) 17:01, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

Eu prefiro o formato reino unido com um único monarca com os países individuais regem-se. Se você não concorda, então tudo bem.AP (talk) 04:05, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

Future of Hungary 2
I had mixed up the Czechs with the Croats. I'm now thinking about having the Croats join my Yugoslavian state.

Yank 01:31, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Sindustan (PM)
Hey Collie, I have expanded Sindustan 22500km many times into the southern states bordering the country but you have never shown it on the map. Could I ask why? Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:42, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

PMII Map
Hey Collie can I get some feedback on the map. I'm sure I've made a few mistakes. Scandinator (talk) 10:38, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! With Songhai and Mali I could find an accurate source for 1450 so I averaged out the two maps I had for 1400 and 1500. :P

For the Papal States, here is an extract from wikipedia: "In practice, though, most of the Papal States was still only nominally controlled by the Pope, and much of the territory was ruled by minor princes. Control was always contested; indeed it took until the 16th century for the Pope to have any genuine control over all his territories." Therefore the pope ruled directly over the Duchy of Rome (as shown on the map) and over the Papal exclave of Benevento (that cluster of pixels). Avignon is autonomous to some extent. Scandinator (talk) 00:51, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Jaffina was conquered in 1450 so we gotta wait before anything happens, but I have confirmed that the part in Southern India was conquered by Imp's nation several years previous. Scandinator (talk) 01:34, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

Agreed :D The problem with the last PM was sever lack of organization at the start thus allowing weird events to occur that would shape the game till today. I plan to allow PMII to follow history as best as possible at least until the generation born after 1450 takes control... Scandinator (talk) 07:10, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

Sure! If you could just cut the area from the base map and patch it then send it back, I'll have te names added in a jiffy. However I will not update the base map on PMII till the 3rd so instead of multiple fixes I only need to do one. Scandinator (talk) 09:50, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

Future of Hungary (Principia Moderni)
The last piece of your overseas empire ,Rangyóra, has declared independance though it still keeps ties with Hungary. Is it okay if I continue my plans for Yugoslavia? I could have them renew their ties to Hungary if you wanted, which would effectively have Hungary remain with access to the sea.

Yank 03:41, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

medieval age died, though you could join in Orbis terrarum fall of rome map game Orbis_Terrarum:_Fall_of_Rome_(Map_Game) Sine dei gloriem (talk) 20:24, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, if you don't mind my answering that question for Sini. The Vandals are the guys that control North Africa. Only two nations are south of it; Ghana directly below, and Axum in the Horn of Africa. The fourth rule means that Sini wants the players to at least abide by some of the historical facts of that time. For instance, the city of Rome was nearly destroyed, and lost its glory for centuries, gaining it back only by the time of the 18th and 19th centuries. Ravenna and Milan became the primary cities of the Italian kingdom, and Rome was only important due to its position as serving as the Pope's home city. In the game, having Rome as the major center of the region would be implausible to a degrees, unless the player somehow states that a major rebuilding effort was taken, and work to attract to residents to city was began. I hope this helps. --<FONT COLOR="878787">"Truth fears no questions..."</FONT> 20:27, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

The map is wrong... KARA = Black in Turkish. So I changed Kara to Ag. But I think I'm changing to be the Ottoman Empire (if Dean isn't coming back).

I would like to expand west please. Willster22 (talk) 21:29, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Uhhhh... Awkward Question
Ummmm... are you doing the map o.O. Because I'm working on the 1455 right now, adding in the territorial changes at every turn end... So the question is who runs the map? And we can't really have two mapmakers making the map each turn because everyone will be confused and the maps will be different (too many cooks spoil the broth). Since you did run PMI's mapmaking I suggest that you could take a break since I'm graduating from high school next week and university starts in March so I really need to do something productive... Scandinator (talk) 07:55, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

Principia Moderni II (Castille and Portugal)
See my post please in the map game xD. Greetings, Jaeden Cuenta Cuentos (talk) 15:48, September 6, 2012 (UTC).

Vassals and Colonies
I assume that the rules are the same as the last game. Do you have a suggestion to change them?

As for historical peoples' lives, you can really have them die whenever it is plausible. If she just got sick, you could just have her not get sick if you didn't want her to die then. LurkerLordB (Talk) 20:11, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

You can name them any plausible name. LurkerLordB (Talk) 13:12, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

De Canariae Insulae
lets do this you can remain with tenerife, gran canaria and la palma and i remain with the others ok thats all i want mainly an outpost to both africa and america for the future Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:43, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

1460 Map (PMII)
I'd like to makes some polite reminders about Manchurian territory in PMII. I hope this doesn't seem too pushy.
 * 1) I'd like to at least have the internal borders of Manchuria gone
 * 2) I want Manchuria's territory on Sakhalin to be on the map.

Yank 01:01, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

now that he remember's me i'm going to say what i have found or colonized,1


 * 1) the isle of jan mayen,


 * 1) have claimed the isle of Aaland

those are my claims that i think should be added to the map ( if they are plausible ofcourse) Sine dei gloriem (talk) 01:05, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) and with my base at the canarias a small patch similar in size to calais in africa

Mapmaking
Hey Collie, I going to be doing my university entrance exams starting in a fortnight. The exam period runs for 4 weeks. Would it be possible if you took over the maps for that time? Thanks. Scandinator (talk) 07:10, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Principia Moderni II = Naples - Portugal
Hi, I'm from Naples: I'd like to help in your fight against Castile, but what are your plans regarding that country? Also I would like to offer an alliance, and see if we can make a greater say in the fate of Spain or the unification of the peninsula: also about Granada, Aragon and Navarre and Morocco. Sending you support, supplies or troops, that your victory is overwhelming, I could get some territory? Quiari (talk) 21:56, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

It would be possible to get territories in the same way that the Pope now has cities away from their territory, and I that I have a much larger fleet would be fully able to keep them as long as you win comfortably in your war with Castile. What do you say? Which territories are not in your plans to get an idea of them. Quiari (talk) 22:35, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Since you're the chief mapmaker of PMII (Scandinator having exams and thereby being unavailable), and Islands is set in a similar period to PMII and needs a good mapmaker, would you be interested in being a mapmaker on Islands (Map Game)? 77topaz (talk) 01:38, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Sure my friend, I'll help, but I would get as a reward for the war the territory of Huelva (the coastal zone that is between Portugal and Granada), You can assure that territory for me? It would be excellent for Naples, make a profit from this war Quiari (talk) 16:17, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Sure, the idea is to take the cost of that area, thereby cutting off any access to the sea which can have the kingdom of Castile by that area. Would be that coast, and the cities within it. Quiari (talk) 17:32, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

The game may need a few more players (there's currently only four, and I haven't picked my own nation yet). But adding the map can't do any harm. 77topaz (talk) 21:29, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Ok so Naples gets Huelva, I get some territory north/north-eastward, and you get Sevilla/part of Sevilla. Works for me. Also about colonization. I have a pretty good position really close to the Atlantic, but what about my navy? Willster22 (User talk:Willster22) 21:47, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

So, we get only 4 pixels? lol... i dint see this coming... the war is over and i still want Huelva... Quiari (talk) 14:38, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

How we can get more land? if I am part of your army to help, or if I do the colalición? Naples Quiari (talk) 21:34, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, i am making explorations over the south coast of Marroco and even more far, can you let me have a litlle spot over there?, is not an expansion, is only a vanguard so i can explore more easy those territories, if you want we can define what ares you would like to keep, i will not explore you areas, what you say? can we make a deal? Quiari (talk) 14:25, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not saying you give me your territory, but in your post or mine we can put that Portuguese forces help Neapolitan forces to establish an outpost on the coast of this region. So I want to define which region can be without getting in your way =) now you understand me my friend? What do you say about that? In return I offer financial support to the development of technologies. We strengthen our alliance and our trade in this way. Then in the future years we will see other land issues in the Iberian Peninsula and Morocco. What you say? Quiari (talk) 16:08, October 11, 2012 (UTC) Well, as I have understood, the caliphate is going to attack Morocco, and Mauritania is not my interest at the moment, I was referring to areas further south, such as Ghana, Togo, etc. in these areas need your support to make a port or Fort, that is outside your sphere of influence, I will use it to make inroads within 10 or 15 years in Nigeria and Congo. I need you post ingame this year to help me there ... and by the way I invade Grenada next year if you're interested ... Quiari (talk) 20:59, October 12, 2012 (UTC) Ok, look I take nigeria and not annoying in the Congo and in Angola, by the way if I need togo, Guinea and Liberia ... but that in your years postea today .... So for now, what about supporting me, in a campaign against Granada? Quiari (talk) 22:00, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, no problem with Granada, i was saying if you can write that you help Naples with installing a fort in OTL San Pedro - Ivory Coast, can you? Quiari (talk) 22:28, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

Castille
Castille's player has been gone for 15 days, enough to be inactive. LurkerLordB (Talk) 01:00, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

The Coalition Head for the HRE is Monster Pumpkin here is Hid talk Page Monster Pumpkin

Andr3w777 (talk) 18:19, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

Yea, I am currently the one with the decision on when to end the war. Venice will end the war in return for Ceuta and Gibraltar. Nothing personal, just that Venice as the Island nation "collects" islands and small cities as trade posts and forward posts. In return I offer a formal alliance with the promise never to declare war on Portugal as well as a Barque (fast ship) which you can reverse-engineer to take you to the new world. Scandinator (talk) 01:32, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for accepting the offer. Should you wish to attack Morocco then Venice will support you. Venice will also send supplies each time you fight a non-HRE member. Also have a Barque, they are pretty epic! Scandinator (talk) 07:55, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

Colonization
You also get a *3 advantage because of diseases in all expansion in the Americas.

Where did you get the 50 square km limit for Africa? I don't remember making any rule like that. LurkerLordB (Talk) 20:49, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Hey Collie. Thanks for uploading the map. However you omitted Finland, which is a part of Scandinavia(it includes the Saami nation, which is a special community under the sovereignty of Scandinavia).Please include all of it on the map so as to not cause confusion. -AP

Hey Collie. I need you to please respond in regards to the map issue i posted above. Also please refer to the main game's page. There is an issue with your colony in Virginia. Scandinavia owns the region so there really cant be a colony there(Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania). Scandinavia settled on the James river already.

Don't worry, Lurkerlord approved of it, we discussed it. And also you shouldnt worry, you have alot of colonies already! One question, wouldnt Portuguese colonization of North America violate the Treaty of Tordesillas?AP (talk) 00:26, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and the post i made on the talk page wasnt targeting you i was speaking in general. If anything, i was targeting Burgundy. They somehow have colonies in the Canary Islands(which belonged to Castille since before the game started) Puerto Rico, Hispaniola, and in Mexico but the player hasnt reached his date yet and considers all of the above to be just "one colony."

agora que acabou, gostaria de juntar-se um pacto de comércio com a Escandinávia.? Talvez até mesmo uma aliança?AP (talk) 01:00, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

I've been asking on the talkpage for quite some time now, but could Muscovy be advanced to 1530 at least, since I've been working on the navy nonstop except for war years?

The Royal Guns (talk) 01:17, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

Just to increase trade between nations, etc. Since we have an agreement regarding Antillia, you should delete the James River settlement from the Territories page.AP (talk) 07:14, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

Map Game Question
Uhmmm.... What is a map game exactly???

Black Prince of Britannia (talk) 22:32, November 8, 2012 (UTC)Black Prince of Britannia

Map Game Question
Uhmmm.... What is a map game exactly???

Black Prince of Britannia (talk) 22:33, November 8, 2012 (UTC)Black Prince of Britannia

Uma Pergunta
já que são aliados, devemos ajudar uns aos outros a crescer forte. Para isso, precisamos estabelecer esferas de influência. Proponho que separar nossas áreas de foco; me na América do Norte e na América do Sul. Dessa forma, não competir por colônias e nós dois vamos tornar-se forte. Ofereço-me para comprar a sua colônia em Connecticut por um bom preço (Brandenburg também se ofereceu para comprar a sua colônia). Fazer isso iria me ajudar em uma caixa rival colonial e criar um escandinávia forte na América do Norte. O que você diz? BTW eu prometo não colonizar o Brasil ou áreas próximas a suas colônias. Como eu disse, vamos ajudar uns aos outros a crescer forte. Por favor, apague este quando você está feito, eu não gosto de metagamers.AP (talk) 05:56, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

suas colônias já são grandes, tudo o que você precisa fazer é expandi-los mais para compensar a venda. Esta venda me ajuda muito, eu preciso dele para travar os alemães em Nova York. Eu também tenho um outro plano embora. Este plano permite-lhe manter a colônia até 1548. Em 1548 eu vou comprá-lo e você vai ser capaz de formar outra colônia. Durante esses anos, a Escandinávia e Portugal vai enviar colonos que maneira eu não vou ter revoltas; Ele também vai criar uma raça escandinava / Português interessante mista. O que você acha?AP (talk) 16:15, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

Antillian Colonial Dispute
I suppose that OK for now.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 20:39, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

Hi Collie. I need a response on the last thing we talked about. Anyways we need to fix a border with Portugal regarding the colonies. I have two colonies which are going to border you. One is approaching the border between Vermont and Massachussetts. The other is coming from the north and will occupy all of New Hampshire. Are OTL borders fine? Because they are there already(the borders i mean, if i expand them next turn they will end up in Massachussetts and i dont want a border dispute.AP (talk) 20:27, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

I meant later, because at our rate of expansion, we will have a border soon.AP (talk) 21:02, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

How about the actual borders of Maine be our boundary? I have a town in the south (Portland) which is pretty close to the actual border...AP (talk) 21:20, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

If your border with my colony(named Nya Danmark by the way) is at the northern border of Oxford county, i'll accept.(it is the county west of York county)AP (talk) 21:37, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Why dont we just do it at the border of OTL Maine. This county stuff is too complicated.AP (talk) 21:57, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

I still have all of Maine right? By the way we need to properly divide Canada as well.AP (talk) 22:05, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

About south america i said before that i want Argentina y Panama-Colombia, Burgundy is in part of colombia, castille is in venezuela and part of brasil, england no idea where is he, and i will help the incas to conquer the rest of america, because we are allies, and we will be very close friends, i hope... so you tell me what you think Quiari (talk) 19:11, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

Well how about if we make the current division, you stay with Brazil and I take from the current Uruguay to the south, is a good deal Quiari (talk) 21:03, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

Well I'm back with a better more reliable computer. Would you like me to make the maps? Scandinator (talk) 13:59, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

What about if we split Uruguay, you still win more land then me, is because i want the Rio de la Plata under my rule, ok? you will take my colonys in the north Quiari (talk) 17:45, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Offer of Royal Proposal
We accept the proposal, as we will send a daughter to marry the Portuguese Prince, in order to further relations between our two kingdoms. We appreciate your support of our claim to the throne. Stewdio333 (talk) 09:54, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

collie, brandenburg está se oferecendo para comprar a sua colônia em Antillia novamente. Pensei que concordou em vender-me uma vez que você pode estabelecer outra colônia? Eu acho que é melhor vender-me uma vez que temos excelentes relações. Meu herdeira (Princesa da Suécia) é casada com o príncipe Pedro, temos uma aliança, nós temos um acordo comercial, e muito mais. Além disso, eles conspiram para possuir todo o OTL Estado Unidos até o rio Mississippi. Em caso de uma guerra colonial, precisamos ficar juntos.AP (talk) 01:33, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

The personal union wasnt on purpose but maybe it could be beneficial. Then you and I could have a stronger colonial presence in America and a stronger national presence in Europe. The Prince of Finland is the title for heirs to the crown. I married Denis off to a princess from Bavaria and they might have children. We need to clear this up, though so message me back.AP (talk) 23:57, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

I married Afonso to a princess from Bavaria. Didnt you write that Dinis had kids? If Afonso becomes King of Portugal after Dinis dies childless, then Afonso will also become King of Scandinavia because the Prince of Finland has no children.AP (talk) 21:24, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

What exactly are you trying to get at?AP (talk) 03:24, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, it was I who edited the article of Union of Sovereign Democratic Republics, it's my timeline ;)

Breizhcatalonia1993 (talk) 21:17, December 21, 2012 (UTC)