User talk:Saamwiil



Principia Moderni
I don't know what map games you are used to playing, but on Principia Moderni, we do not take control of other users' areas without their permission, like what you did to Hungary. Furthermore, you ignored many parts of this game, such as the fact that most Turks fled to central Anatolia to form the nation of Turan, and Instanbul (renamed Constatinople again) is now primarily Greek, as is most of the Anatolian area under Hugnary's control. The Armenians have their own country too, so I don't know what you are talking about saying they are helping you. Next time, you should ask users before controlling their nations, and pay attention to the hundreds of years that have occured prior to you joining. LurkerLordB 18:42, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't matter, you aren't allowed to control another users' nations. Plus, Constantinople is the Greek Capital, the Turks would be a minority there, as they would be in much of Hungarian Greek Anatolia. They would be outnumbered and outgunned, and they would be crushed in any revolt. Take Turan instead if you want to be a Turkish nation, and you might be able to negotiate with the France (ruler of the Crusader states in South Anatolia) to give you a sea path if you convert to the Algerian Islam and/or something. Or if you took Turan you may be able to negotiate to get the easternmost part of the Greek Anatolia, but the west would be too Greek. LurkerLordB 18:57, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

I see you signed up as Turan. A much better choice. Hopefully your neighbors will be kind to the small Turkish nation.... LurkerLordB 19:00, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

My nation, Naples, currently is having leadership problems, but in two or three days that should be resolved, then they can agree to trade. Hungary (which controls Greece) and France (which controls the Crusader states other than Jerusalem) would probably be good ideas currently. As I said earlier, France is currently promoting a new form of Islam for its Islamic Colonies, and they just got the Crusader states, so you might be able to convince them to give you one (or more) of the Turkish ones to give you a seaport if you convert to the Algerian Caliph Islam (I can't guarantee they will if you offer that though). Or, the Greeks may not be attached to the most eastern areas of their Ananatolian areas, so you could take that if you asked them first (with gold) LurkerLordB 19:18, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

You can delete your old post and my response to it, as you totally retconned it out of existence. I would advise against attacking Kurdistan, as the French have been trading with it recently. If I were you, I'd focus on building up the economy and perhaps giving much money to France or Greece hoping they could give you a path to the ocean. LurkerLordB 19:28, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Proposal
Greece cannot accept.this is a big jump, since we barely estabilished diplomatic relations.How about this: Greece stops claiming your territory and gives you free access to the southwestern ports, in trade for a non-aggression pact and you stopping to claim Constantinople.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 10:08, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

I have virtually no interest on Eastrn Anatolia, just more in Ancyra and near regions, to complement the Phrygian and Galatian themes.here is my counter-proposal.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 08:40, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Counter proposal: You don't give me the 100 lira and i keep Adalia and surroundings.You get all territory on east up to OTL Koycegiz.this is roughly the map.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 09:24, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

I know we are negotiating. but Adalia is important.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 09:32, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

I did meant all territory up to Koycegiz on the southern coast.this only applied to the southern coast.We could reduce the territory of the Adalian exclave.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 09:41, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

I was thinking about inland territory, but i'm thinking if i can give you a Ionian island (Corfu, of preference) to make your coastline bigger.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 10:27, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

No.You can reach Corfu from your strip of land to the littoral.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 10:37, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

I changed my proposal and widened your strip of land a bit.and clarified what i meant with "inland" on Adalia.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 10:41, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

This does not work. i make a proposal and you make the opposite, and vice-versa.No conclusion can be made when it comes to giving territory, because i can't accept your offers and to this point, you can't accept mines.we should simply estabilish diplomatic relations instead of exchanging territory.for now.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 11:21, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

My offerings are right here. i just changed the map a little to update my proposals.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:23, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

When i said "right here", you were looking on my or your talk page? because there must be a problem if you looked in yours and did not saw it.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:52, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. there is a problem. may be because the image is not with thumbs, or something, do you see any image on your talk page, or only do not see the changes?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:59, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Search for :"File:Turan_proposal.PNG". Tell me if you see it.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 21:08, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Exactly.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 21:08, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

No, Galaguerra made that map, and no, i am not willing to give Trebizond. the other option is that aside of that strip, you get the strip of land off my proposal, and maybe another one between Adalia and some city west of Tarsus. Now, reply to me, but i will only reply tomorrow, because i am going to sleep right now.Tomorrow i make a map with the latest proposal.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 21:18, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Saamwiil, I don't think you understand that Constantinople is the capital of Greece, and it and the surrounding area are probably heavily Greek by now, you can't take it and you need to accept that you aren't going to get your Instanbul, or any of the rest of that area. LurkerLordB 22:01, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Search for : "File:Turan's Sea Outlet Proposal 2.png"--Collie Kaltenbrunner 06:21, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

To make the territorial exchange proposed by Collie, I should give him Cilicia. But, if he's gonna give a outlet to you in that land, I must do you a proposal: Is not probably that my country give that land to you through Collie, becouse of the economical losses that's gonna provoke me. So, to make the deal, I must ask you to convert my version of the Islam in the religion of the State in Turan. If you don't do that, the loss of Cilicia will not give me any benefit (except the colony which Collie will give me), in fact, I will lose the economical deal between out two countries. So I need you to change your religion to the Arabian Islam, so I give Cilicia to Collie and we complete the deals.--Galaguerra1 07:08, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

If i give Cilica to Collie, he gives it to you. I loss the trade agreement between you and me and Turan, the unique Islamic state which doesn't recognise my Islamic Cult, gains a outlet to the sea. It doesn't give any benefits to me, all the contrary. If you accept my religion, so I will obtain the colony in India and another country in my "Church". It may benefit you eventually.

Anyway, my Islam is like the Sunnism but with concepts of the Catholicism (for example, the Bible is almost so oly as the Qu'ran) and the ibadism (a kind of "democrathic" Islam in which the Caliph is elected by the people, is based in the main arabic rights established by Muhammad). --Galaguerra1 07:36, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

You must recognise the Caliphal Islam as religion of the State. I was just reading about Islam and you're right, the ibadhism is not what i said to you. I don't know what's the name of the religion I talk about in english. In spanish is "ayirí", but I don't find it in english. --Galaguerra1 07:51, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

Mmmm. Bah, Forget it, I will give the land to Collie anyway, I just thinked that it will be better if I convince you to recognise my cult as condition, but it's better if we return to the other pact. I give Cilicia to Collie and you pact with him.

PD: is not my business but...you must improve your spanish. Is anyway better than other english speakers I' ve saw. --Galaguerra1 08:10, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know. He'll tell you. So, you're a native speaker of spanish... Where are you from? --Galaguerra1 08:20, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

Are you talking about the proposal? if so, i gave you the name of the file.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 06:25, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

You did not saw this: File:Turan's Sea Outlet Proposal 2?

Principia moderni
yes, i will support you in the war against bulgaria, unless it means war with hungary becasue bulgaria is hungary's vassal.-Lx (leave me a message) 22:36, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Hungary's my ally.-Lx (leave me a message) 22:56, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

No for both.but i'd appreciate if you left Wallachia alone.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 06:37, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yes.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 16:12, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yes.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:00, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Why did you delete Itsaygahi's & Nippon's posts on PM? I've fixed it now mind you, but posts shouldn't be getting deleted by people :/ VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 14:31, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Itsaygahi's & Nippon's posts, if you look on the revision history of PM, and compare my edit at 13:06, December 23, 2011; and to your edit at 14:05, December 23, 2011; you can see you I'd assume you didn't mean to anyway and it was just a mistake, I mean its not like those posts affected Turan anyway :P I've mistakenly deleted stuff myself once or twice anyways, so I'm not angry or anything; just try to remain diligent. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 17:08, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

i joined a long time ago, my incan empire got conquered, liberated, and conquered again by my traitorous allies. So for the second time i am turning refugees from a conquered nation to continue tthe Incan Nation.

pretty dramatic huh?

DeanSims 00:42, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

nope, i could use one, well Russia is an ally, but thats it. you should join my American Empire (Map Game)

im at the library and have 4 more minutes, so if i dont respond im not being rude.

DeanSims 00:45, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Since Kenny's not around to tell you this, I will: Don't try and pretend to be a mod and make such posts on PR again. Lordganon 08:31, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Shahzrur
West of Persia. (Also, you may want to look that up in Wikipedia)

I graciously accept your offer of alliance. The ICR will accept yopur alliance offer. What country are you anyway?

DeanSims 15:21, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

yep? DeanSims 19:29, December 29, 2011 (UTC)