Talk:The Greater Americas (Map Game)

Muisca Confederation
You should add the Muisca confederation in South America in OTL Colombia. LurkerLordB 23:09, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

OK. ForsakenPear 11:21, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

FLAGS
POST YOUR FLAGS HERE.

Resignation
I am going to resign now because this Map Game has become defunct. RandomWriterGuy 23:13, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

There are three active players, with you that would make four. Far from defunct. LurkerLordB 23:22, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

I am planning to join up. I am currently controlling the Mongols as a mod. :D Imperium Guy 22:40, January 13, 2012 (UTC)

I wish to joine but I don't know how to. Any ideas? Monster Pumpkin 19:14, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

I'm back! RandomWriterGuy 22:54, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Level of Technology
What is the level of technology for American nations? Do they have horses or gunpowder? Horses seem most unlikely because they were extinct in the Americas until the Spanish colonization. Monster Pumpkin 18:08, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Like it says in the intro, tech is at about 1700s OTL, so we have developed gunpowder and some types of guns. ForsakenPear 19:58, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

But do we have horses? Monster Pumpkin 20:06, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

No, because before the europeans arrived, there were no horses in the americas. But you could say explorers have discovered horses and have learned how to tame them. ForsakenPear 20:09, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Olomec Conquests and Taiwanese Colonies
I just secured the Southern and Central parts of the Olomec Empire and established colonies in Northern Taiwan. Can someone add that to the map? RandomWriterGuy 02:18, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Europe
Just so I understand the situation is reversed and the Americans have AD1700's like technology while the Europeans have AD812 tech. This is because I have joined as England and I whould like to know where I am tech-wise.

Another question is does Christianity exist? And finally is the situation in Europe alot like AD812?

If this is so I have an idea as to the actual date being AD812 while the Americans have just rapidly advanced much more than Europeans than in OTL. Bobalugee1940 21:22, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

The UK is around 14oos tech while the Franks were 1500s and the Mongols were 1600s. The Americas are in the 1700s however. Imperium Guy 10:43, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

What is the real year? 168.184.220.4 14:13, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Exact date is unknown, but 822 is about 1760s. Thats why I put in that earthquake (Lisbon Earthquake 1755).FP 21:12, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Population/army size
This is just to get a rough idea of the scale of things. It says in the country description page that Patagon starts out with a small population and small army. How big would those be? Similarly, how large would a "large" population or army be? I have the same questions about the navies.68.80.240.184 03:22, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

The size of the population is in comparison to the size of the country. A small country with a small population will have less people than a big country with a small population. It's basically population density. The army and navy sizes are in comparison to to the population. FP 21:01, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Algorithm
This is the new Algorithm as approved by Imperium Guy, Monster Pumpkin and ForsakenPear.

Location
Capital - +8

Inside Home Territory - +6

Borders - +3

Sea Invasion - +0

Motive
Life or Death of the Nation - +10

Protection of Current or New Government or an Ethnic group - +7

Fighting on behalf of a good Ally - +6

Fighting to preserve the nation's borders -+5

Fighting on behalf of a neutral or distant Allied nation - +4

Fighting to gain territory - +3

Industry and Infastructure
High level of industry and infastructure - +4

Medium level of industry and infastructure - +2

Low level of industry and infastructure - +1

None at all - -2

Population
High level of people - +4

Low level of people - +1

Disipline of the Army
Elite - +3

Trained - +2

Untrained - +1

Size of the Army
Divide the size of the army by 100 and add to the score.

Luck
A number between 1-10 from Random.Org

Best of Luck. Monster Pumpkin

If I may make a suggestion, I think that industry, discipline, and population should be considered more heavily, since they basically decide how much damage and how many losses an army can endure before it collapses. 68.80.240.184 23:55, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Europe
Location: 3

Motive:3

Industry and Infranstrucure: 2

Population: 3

Displine of the army:3

Size of the army:20,000/100=200

Luck:5

Result: 219

United Amazon
Location: 6

Motive:5

Industry and Infranstrucure: 2

Population:4

Displine of the army:2

Size of the army:30,000/100=300

Luck 8

Result: 327

Disscusions
The ?s need to be filled in with someone who has this knowledge. Like a mod.

In order to complete the Algorithm, I need to know Amazon's army size. Monster Pumpkin

Final Result: The Amazonian forces were lucky, and several villagers reported the attack to the authorities as they saw the Europeans cross the border. Previous warning of an invasion resulted in readiness for the Amazonians, and they manage to repel the assualt with medium losses. The discpline of the Europeans proved to be their greatest advantage, but it was not enough.

Cease Fire Talks and UA-European Peace Talks (G-S is mediator)


Well...

Well, here is my proposal.

The Incan Empire declares that their gains from this plan are not enough, as they must be punished more for unwarranted attacks and the murder of civilians. Monster Pumpkin 19:04, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

What will you give the G-S to join the war against Europe, the more of the HKE I get, the more colonies and support I will be willing to rpovide. DeanSims 19:07, February 12, 2012 (UTC)



The best way forward, for both sides. Everone gains something, except me, lol! :D Imperium Guy 19:09, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

that actualy seems fair except for the Incas gaining part of the Baltic coast, that could spark future wars, give me the proposed portion of the Incan coast and I will trade a few colonies. DeanSims 19:10, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

You can get the coast, but you will never establis colonies on South America. You will also cede a small portion of the conquered west to the Amazonians. Thats it really. :D Imperium Guy 19:12, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Stop posting before I can say somthing. Why are the Europeons getting land. They are losing. Plus, why are people getting land they didn't explore.TacoCopper 19:14, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

They are Europeans, they know the lands of Euro'pa better than us. As well as this, if you want any land yourself, state your claims. :D Imperium Guy 19:17, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Here is another proposal

This is the Euro prposal for a whole new world. Bobalugee1940 19:18, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

not on your life. G-S will delcare war on Europe very soon now.... DeanSims 19:20, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

I like how you made it fair by the way. TacoCopper 19:21, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

But I want Indochina and India! :( -- Imperium Guy 19:23, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

no fair, G-S is getting screwed over, change it or G-S joins the Allies agaisnt Europe. DeanSims 19:25, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Guys, stop talking about dividing up the world. We are talking about war gains. ( To Europe) Look, you are going to lose land because you are fighting three American and one Europeon nation. We can divide up the world later.TacoCopper 19:26, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

The Incas reject this plan outright, as not only does Europe gain large amounts of land, but they also take Rome from the Empire. Monster Pumpkin 19:28, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Taco. For all you know, the world could be like this! Think about it guys. Imperium Guy 19:32, February 12, 2012 (UTC)



What about a Status Quo Antebellum thing with an official appology from the Europeans.

Rejected by the Incas. You killed refugees. You will lose something. Monster Pumpkin 19:35, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

What is the King abdicates and gives his throne to his brother? Bobalugee1940 19:38, February 12, 2012 (UTC)



to late, the G-S has declared war and has massivley invaded you. DeanSims 19:39, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

I have a better idea. That just means you still get to keep land. This is better. TacoCopper 19:40, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Not necassary, official apology and money, in large amounts, given to the victims and their families. Also, Europe should be more careful in declaring war. Imperium Guy 19:42, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

I propose that we stop talking about how to divide Europe until we defeat them. Monster Pumpkin 19:43, February 12, 2012 (UTC)