User talk:DukeDevon

Re::Hi
Is it working for you now? -- 19:53, January 30, 2018 (UTC)

Ah, Thanks for your assistance. AlthistWriter (talk) 19:58, January 30, 2018 (UTC)

Re:Template
You can easily add your template into a template article.

Here:

Agadir War

Hope this helps. -- 17:51, January 31, 2018 (UTC)

Oh, sorry I created a duplicate, could you delete it, sorry. It’s found at Template:AgadirWar.

Thank you for doing the template. AlthistWriter (talk) 17:53, January 31, 2018 (UTC)

Permission
You can fix them--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 17:31, February 1, 2018 (UTC)

i come to ask for your ideas and advice,without ww2 would the eu ever be created?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 12:54, February 20, 2018 (UTC)

While I’m definitely not an expert in this field, I’d say probably not. It really depends on why and how ww2 doesn’t start. The EU is really to keep Europe relevant in the World Stage. After WW2, European Powers has lost most of its power and were overshadowed by the USSR and US. Without WW2, I don’t really see the need for a Union. As I said, I’m not an expert. I’d recommend asking on a thread on the Timeline Discussions Board in the forum.

thank you for your advice,now for another question,in my timeline bavaria seccedes from germany(weimar Republic) how would this affect the already fragile german economy?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 09:41, February 21, 2018 (UTC)

Bavaria adds a lot to Germany, it now has a population of over 12,000,000 (a sizeable portion of the total population), and contributes a lot to Germany, it has Munich and more, a Wiemar Republic without Bavaria would be even more weaker, as a large chunk of its economy would be gone, the Weimar Republic probably couldn’t start this type of pressure on the economy. AlthistWriter (talk) 09:48, February 21, 2018 (UTC)

thanks again for the help,what do you think of my timeline?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 09:53, February 21, 2018 (UTC)

This is kinda the same with all the major German states, e.g: Prussia, Bavaria, Rhineland, etc. AlthistWriter (talk) 09:52, February 21, 2018 (UTC)

Let me know if you need anything else.

well there is one thing i would need help with,Could you review my timeline and tell me whats good and bad about me?,it would really help me to improve it--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 09:57, February 21, 2018 (UTC)

What’s the timeline called? AlthistWriter (talk) 10:04, February 21, 2018 (UTC)

Have you created it yet? Or do you mean Fascist Reich? Fascist Reich--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 10:16, February 21, 2018 (UTC)

Okay I’ll have a look through, what do you want me to look for? Grammer, Realism? i guess both and also what you think could be improved/added and check out my newest addition to portugal (Fascist Reich)

Right, I have had a look at the timeline.

Here are my points:
 * You give a reason for the non-existence of Communism, but don’t really Elaborate on why Facism doesn’t exist.
 * I presuming that it is because that Hitler Dies, Fascism doesn’t exist. This is not really accurate to What Facism is. Fascism formed in Italy in 1915,led by Mussolini. If Hitler didn’t lead The Nazi Party, then some else could take his place. The Nazi Party wasn’t primarily founded by Hitler. The Nazi Party probably wouldnt of rose to power without Communism though.
 * You Really need some sort of Navigational Template, so you can go through your pages easily.
 * Other than that, work on expanding current pages instead of making new ones, and keep working on Grammar. :) AlthistWriter (talk) 13:45, February 21, 2018 (UTC)

will do,i have though of ways to fix the issue with mussolini but noone works so far,Franco is fixed he baecame the prime minister of The republic of spain through the 1932 elecgtion,note he is not a fascist in this timeline--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 13:49, February 21, 2018 (UTC)

There is a reason it happened in our timeline, after all. AlthistWriter (talk) 16:17, February 21, 2018 (UTC)

Re:Personal Images
What do you mean?

If you are referring to the name, than please be sure to include the timeline's name within the title (similar to how you'd name articles). -- 19:21, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I was just referring to the name, thanks. So could it be titled something like:. AlthistWriter (talk) 19:27, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

1989 War Suggestions
I like the idea of there being at least one prime American  military target that the soviet missiles fail detonate at. I would should suggest wright pat airforcebase in Dayton Ohio.

I’m not sure what you mean, could you elaborate? AlthistWriter (talk) 16:34, February 16, 2018 (UTC)

Wright Patterson Airforce Base in Dayton Ohio would probably be a high target on the soviet's bombing list during WW3. I like the idea of the bombs that soviet launched at Wright Pat either fail to explode( This could be explained by the infamous poor soviet quality control) or the bombs overshoot the base by a large distance due to poor soviet target systems. Sparing Wright Pat would provide the Eastern States of America with a powerful military advantage.

Oh I see. That actually seems like a good idea. Put it on Talk:1989 War, and I’ll get to it when I do America. (Which will be be soon). I was planning to have a America divided into five sections. (Pacific States of America, Rocky States of America, Central States of America, Eastern States of America, Second Texan Republic) Can I call you up when I get to it?

After colosape of the united states the present day sistion of 5 states there were probbally many other sates in former usa. Most of them would probbaly be small states but there could have at least one big state that got abosred by one of the modern five states. How about a uber relgious neoconfederate state found by david duke that was congured by it nebiors in 2011

Do you like the idea of brazil being a major computer power in this world. They had embargo on importing forgin computer untill 1992 so brazil had a large local industy that mainly produce clone of western computers

I would suggest planing a list of cites and milatry bases that were nuked

Yes, Brazil definitely has the capability to be a major power. I was thinking that South Africa, Brazil and Australia would be the economical, Political and Technological Superpowers.

As for Making a list of nuked cities, Yes, go for it. No nukes In the Southern Hemisphere, mind you. AlthistWriter (talk) 18:42, February 17, 2018 (UTC)

You have said that the un colsaped in 1990. Unless, Newyork city mircaulosuly surrived ww3, they i feel that it more likely that it colssaped int 1989. If Newyork is blown up the UN goes along with it.

Should Paris be nuked. If it it nuked, I feel that there would be several french pronsional goverments, who would bicker for a few years over who is the heir to paris before uniing under a fedelist constion (France is an unitry state ). If this the case I feel that switerland would just anex the french alps (possably with there conietn) then buy it.Goldwind1 (talk) 12:11, February 20, 2018 (UTC)

Yep, good points, about the UN, There is also a Building in Geneva, so I kinda think that I would be formally disbanded in 1990. Remember that in 1989, there is only about a month until the end of the year. also, I think that Paris would be nuked as France is a Western Ally. AlthistWriter (talk) 12:14, February 20, 2018 (UTC)

You have that the netherland and  Belguim surived the war. If bombs went out there would destory  the dikes and cause the neatherlands and belguim to flood. Nuking n brussels may destory belguim but spare the netherlands with  the soviet omly target amestedam and the bomb turns out to be a dub

Belgium actually was destroyed by the war, the current state is known as the Flemish State, or Flanders. AlthistWriter (talk)

Ever heard of the zapaistist. Thjey are bunch of mayan lefist extermist and werethe last major gurialia group to cause prombles for mexico. They are best known for the 1994 anti nafta uprisng. the uprising offically  ended withe the san andres accords but the zapist still controll land in chapias to this day

also does Hugo chavez still become president of venuzual if so perhaps incress raditon causes his cancer to be worse and makes him die a few years eailer. That why he is succed by some one other the madoraoGoldwind1 (talk) 02:56, February 21, 2018 (UTC)

Never heard of them. Maybe.

Here's a link to the zapistist wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapatista_Army_of_National_Liberation

Had a look at the page, it says that they came into existence after the NAFTA agreement. Would NAFTA come into effect? What do you think?

I started the Nuclear target page. feel free to change any thing you don't like. PS Acording to the northubrtia BalckPool got nuked. I find this unlikely because blackpool  is a smaller city  (pulpation just under 150000 in 2016) with no miltary or industrlial value (the eccomny is based  on tourism). i decide that the soviets targeted liverpool but there lousy tarrgeting systyem may it hit blackpool instead.

As soon they fired missles Geroge Bush and Dan Quayle would probbly jump on thier planes try to get out dc. I like the idea of airforce one crashing but airforce 2 delivers quayle to saying. Quayle becomes the  president of the east states, He delcalrs martial law but has it liff in the early 2000's He loses by a landslide in the first elcetion. Over ten of marital law and qauyale make a fool of him slef (the guy was know for  makign fooksihg and offten incoret staments) sold  praticualy gift wrapped the elcetion to the democrats

What would happen to panama. Do you think it captail would be nuke. Any way Bush was planing the invason of panama but it didn't happen otl untill  december 89. Do you think that bush send troops to pannama during ww3. If not do think that the Dan quatle eastern states would enoguh milarty infasture to  invade panama if naval station mayport surrived

1. Well done! I can always change Blackpool to another city.

2. Yes, sounds like a good idea.

3. I doubt that Bush would send Nukes or troops to Panama in WW3. They had bigger fish to fry, after all. I also doubt that the ESA would invade either, I think that would be to busy trying to keep the ESA together. They might be able to in about 2005-2010, but even then, it’s unlikely. AlthistWriter (talk) 07:19, February 22, 2018 (UTC)

Panama is an imporant miltatry stagict target because of the cannal. The american's or the russian may  try to nuke to prevent the oppent form using to warships form the one ocean to another.

I like the idea of Fidel castro failing to get get out of havana and gitmo bay surriving. Do you think that us forces at gitmo may try to take over cuba with it's goverment collaspedGoldwind1 (talk) 00:39, February 23, 2018 (UTC)

Oh I see, I see the Russians nuking it, in that case, maybe American troops could be deployed there.

Maybe with lines cut from the US, US Troops could take over Cuba. AlthistWriter (talk) 09:32, February 23, 2018 (UTC)

According to wikipedia The comander of Guantamo bay back in 1889 was named  John S. Boyd  not steven mckinely. Also i feel that  american forces would be more likely to set up a  milaroty dicatorship disguesed as a republic, then use the trapping of an emprie.

Also it is possaible that would be america and not  russia because norgia was starting to buddy up with cuba and niguraguaGoldwind1 (talk) 12:07, February 23, 2018 (UTC)

The reason that I didn’t use the real commander was to make sure I didn’t tarnish that Commander’s name. Also, yeah, thanks for your input, I was wondering how to do it.

I see. I don’t really have much expertise in the Panama field. AlthistWriter (talk) 13:06, February 23, 2018 (UTC)

Other
Do you think South Africa would fall into a race war with a year or two or ww3

do you think that it is possable that jappanese doomsday Shoko Asahara founder of Aum Shinrikyo got out of tyoko if it was nuked and took over a chuck of jappanGoldwind1 (talk) 17:35, February 17, 2018 (UTC)

1. It is possible. I kinda think that in this timeline, Apartheid could last for about 2 years longer than OTL. Not a Massive war against the state and the Other Races. Fighting would be entirely local. I think that The government would publicly be against it, but members could secretly fund the White Fighters.

2. I quite like this idea, maybe they could have just a small territory, as it balances it out a bit. They could be major nuisance to Japanese Society though. AlthistWriter (talk) 18:42, February 17, 2018 (UTC)



Duplication
Okay. I had a look for it, obviously didn’t look properly. If I might ask, did I do this before? AlthistWriter (talk) 20:11, February 16, 2018 (UTC)

Re:Naming
If you are referring to an article laying out specific dates, than the correct title should be "Timeline (TIMELINE NAME)". -- 23:10, February 19, 2018 (UTC)

Ok, Thanks for your help. AlthistWriter (talk) 08:03, February 20, 2018 (UTC)

Re:Fixing of pictures
You need to upload the file in question (you can't simply link to it).

Secondly, I just removed that file because you misnamed it. Please be sure you have the correct name when uploading it next time. -- 18:24, February 21, 2018 (UTC)

What would be a good title for the Picture? Something like Duke_of_Northumberland.png ?

1989 War Suggestions 2
I may start a p age for the french 6th republic if you'll let me.
 * Contributions

I have come up with several picks for a captial.

My number one pick is Strasbourg. Strasbourg is a center of the EU. With Buruslles destoryed i can the eu parliment building being turned into a new national assembly building.

Number two pick is Vivhy. Former unioffical captial of the french nazi colbbetor regime and has a fairly centerlized location

Number three pick Nice. It is the second largest french city not on our list of nuke cities and home to convention center and a number of hotels that could be converted into national allesymby building

I go with which ever opption you pick

Go for it, could you name it France (1989 War)? I’ll make a map for France soon.

You can practice in User:AlthistWriter/Sandbox/Nations.

Strasbourg seems like a good capital. Vichy has Negative History (Due to the Nazi Collaboration) and Nice is much more Touristy. AlthistWriter (talk) 15:00, February 23, 2018 (UTC)

I guess i could try ti make the  infobox in the sanbox before making the offical article

I find it helps me, personally. AlthistWriter (talk) 16:16, February 23, 2018 (UTC)

I made the infobox in the sandbox. I still need add population area (i don't known how much land was given to switerland)  and couldn't figure out how to put in the pictures. Also i plan  to added some targets to the list. Do you want france to get off heavy or lightlyGoldwind1 (talk) 17:42, February 23, 2018 (UTC)

With america destoryed do you that sadama hussin or form him self a vast empire in the middle east and still rule to this or will other regional power (perhaps he take over sadia arbia and isreal get spooked and nukes Bagdad)  stop his abimtion or would he be overthrown by his own people

I thought you agreeded with  about making Strasbourg the new captial of france. How the  Rhine land article says they anexed part of race and the part of fance that bordrs the rhineland  includes Strabough. Will you please remove the part about rhineland anexing part of france. Otherwise I'll have to move the captial

1. Great. I’ll fix it if need be.

2. I really don’t have much experience in this subject.

3. I’ll change it.

Okay, it’s fixed. All you need to do now is copy and paste the whole article onto the page.

I have the populations of induvail United Kingdom succossor states and have determited that they there combinded population is about  37 millon. In 1983 the population of the british isles was 2 millon. Granted that   i feel that lordgannon who was in charghed of doomsday was a permist, i still think you have to many surrivors. I would say 29 millon in great britain would be an optimist number. If you agree with me do you want to adjust the popultion number in the info books or should I do it

Great, do you think you could do it? You do have the calculations, after all. Thanks. AlthistWriter (talk) 18:11, February 24, 2018 (UTC)

According to your Asia page you plan to page a page for a soviet rump state. I like the idea that soviet rement claims to rule all of the former soviet union when they were only hold on to a little bit of land. Due to the poor state of the soviet union in 1989, I dubt the soviet citizens would willing follow the any surriving high up soviet offials. However, i could see them paying off enoguh solider to hold on to small region. they may have held on a larger terroity but lost most of it, to a serries of a uprsing .I feel that the former russian soviet federtive republic would more divdied then the former united states. I feel that would be atleast 20 states there and thats lowballing it. there would be several new tsardoms, a few theocarcys, some Milatry dictorships masguring as free republics and a few ture republics and maybe even a fassict state.Goldwind1 (talk) 02:15, February 25, 2018 (UTC)

Sounds good. I believe that the Siberian Federation could consist of these small states. AlthistWriter (talk) 16:35, February 25, 2018 (UTC)Goldwind1 (talk) 12:31, February 28, 2018 (UTC)

1989 War Suggestions 3
I reamber that you like my idea of Dan Qyuale being president of the eastern state for 11 years of marial but he loses the election of 2000. Do you like the idea  of him losing to Al Gore  or do you have soem one else in mind. I belive that if  he was in wahsington he will would have been evuacte to the congesonal bunker in the greenbier hotel

Yes, it seems like a good idea. Who would replace Al?

Something like
 * Dan Qyuale (1989-2000)
 * Al Gore (2000-2008)
 * Douglas Wilder (2008-2016)
 * John Kasich (2016-)


 * AlthistWriter (talk) 18:06, February 26, 2018 (UTC)

Like the idea of Jhon kashic as presidnet of the eastern state. I might suggest replacing  Joe biden with Doug wilder that way the eastern states could have a black president. Or at lest make wilder Biden running mateGoldwind1 (talk) 00:14, February 27, 2018 (UTC)

I would suggest renaming the siberian federation as the siberien confedry, or league. As i said i feel t russia. Also with the soviet unions low popularity during 1989 i do tha the soviet republic would rule all of russia west of the urals. I feel that probbaly just  controlf few oblasts wo. Might i suggest Ulyanovsk (the home town or lein)_Nizhny Novgorod (the home town of maxim gorky  17. Krasnodar ) or Rostov-on-Don as ther captial. Perhaps they contorl all of west russian at one point  but lost most of to various insurgent groups

Yeah, I believe that with the loss of Eastern Europe and the Stans, Soviet Russia would try to hold onto its holdings in Western Russia with an iron grip, perhaps becoming more Authoritarian.

I have added a section to My Sandbox, listing possible presidents of each of the American Successor States. What do you think? AlthistWriter (talk) 08:04, February 27, 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps  you replace butch otter with Jhon MCCain. Then again congress was in session  on novmeber 9th  1989 so he may still be stuck in the eastern states

I would pefer that the siberabin confendtion as being a loose confedarcy t with a a few dicatoships and a few deomcary instead of a federation. However it's your timeline so you make the final decison

Would consider renaming the central states of america, the midland stats praire states or great palins states  or the heartland states. The intials of the centeral states of america is csa the same intial as the conferate statres of americaGoldwind1 (talk) 22:49, February 27, 2018 (UTC)

I would suggest adding Tuva as a meamber  the siberain confedertion. also do you the wide varity of states in the fed (we got several republics a tasardom and a theocary( i would put it captial in the in or atleast near the village of Pokrovskoye,  since it is the home town of rasputain) )

Yes, I presume you’ve seen my Sandbox, I am planning to have a Confederation with Wrussia. The Region of Northern Russian Territory I was planning To be Semi-Autonomous, compared to all the other, which I plan to be Fully Autonomous.

I will change The CSA. I personally like the Heartland States.

I presume you mean the capital of the Theocracy? AlthistWriter (talk) 07:39, February 28, 2018 (UTC)

I assume Taiwan got easy durring the nuclear war because they were abel to anex the southern part of the mainlane. Now that I think about Taiwan is more likely to be the world's techovhly superpower then brazil unless taiwan suffer a a harsh cival war

Yep, it got off easy, and ok. AlthistWriter (talk) 12:31, February 28, 2018 (UTC)

I see you still haven'tdevople the middle east in timeline.. I suggest that sadam hussian  decide to invade more then just kwait and makes the mistake of attacking Isreal who nukes  bagdad. Isreal become th power of the middle fouranelty for the arab many  isrealis are horifided by www3 and the nuking og bagdad and  pro peace faction is voted into power w

Have you checked out my updates to nuclear strike list

As I say, I really don’t have enough experience in this field, you can do it if you want, seeing as you seem to know more than me.

I’ll check it. AlthistWriter (talk) 07:35, March 1, 2018 (UTC)

You havn't made any changes to my nuclear strike list so i asumme you like unless you hav't got around to checking. Feel free to make changes if you change your mind. it's your timeline after all

Yep, it’s good. ;) Thanks for your work.

I recently updated the uk section of the strike list. I adde leeds as failed denoated and decided to spare cambridge. The univeristy there would be a major sourse of the alterite engry reshearch that king charles suports. Cambrige is also the center of england  compture industy. It would be a great boon to new britainGoldwind1 (talk) 13:50, March 3, 2018 (UTC)

Ever hear of Tim Berners-Lee. He was  an britsh computer engier who was working in switerland in 1989. He Invented the world wide web (the modern internet protcoal. there was a a pirmitive internet before Berners lee but he revoulatinzed it) and the first web browser. I feel that he desvers his own artcle in the timelineGoldwind1 (talk) 13:50, March 3, 2018 (UTC)

Cool.

Yes, I’ve heard of him, maybe we should make a “Important People” page, and include Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Tim Berners-Lee. What do you think?

I have that decide that west germnany gets off eassily. I plan on havinhg 16 (that about  half the soviet warheads )miss or fail to ecplode.. Do you mind if i spare colonge munich and garlest airforce (you add those to  list as making there targets). Also i spare duefsdoft, then i suggest  you make that the capital of the rhine republic because it is the captial  north rhineland westphiali

Cool. I think that it’s more likely that the capital would become Cologne, due to it being quite big. AlthistWriter (talk) 15:45, March 5, 2018 (UTC)

Is the republic of texas texas susspose to be a right wing dictorship. The fact that only demcoratic persidnet had is term cut short by a year makes me think so. Also do you like the idea of the mexico suffering a milatry coup in the early and the junta decides to invade the parts of the former us that boarder mexico with the excuss that they are recaling the land that the yanke  imperist stole form mexico during 19th centy. Unfothry for them soviet failed to destory all of the nuclear missle sillos in calorini the united stats and texas, the pacfic states or the rocky moutian stats still had a 2 or 3 warheads and nuked mexico city.

Got any plans for japan beside Shoko Asahara building himself  a  fiefidom. I like the idea of   empiror ahito  and  his sonedeing in the bombing of  tykoyo  and either is Daughter sayako becoming empress or  prime misnter Toshiki Kaifu sets up a republic in southern honshu

I still think that dusforf if we decide to spare it would be a better chocie for captial because the aniamstive office of the state  goverment of north rhine wespaila are located there. IF duslfor is nuked then the cpatial could be moved to colgne. Also Straburg is right on the border if rhineland so please remove the part about them anexxing  part of frnace.

I’ll fix it.

Do you  still want me to save colonge. You have now have dusldof  as the captial and largerst city of rhineland.

No, it’s fine.

I think it be good, about Japan. Have a Terriorist State, A Monarchist State and a Democratic State.

Texas: No, it’s either because they were assassinated or died.

Also, Mexico invading the Border lands seems like a cool idea.

About Nuking Mexico: After the War, it’s basically banned to have Nuclear Weapons. Any nation that had them was inspected, to see if they had been gotten ridden of. THE PSA is a important member of the ILS, thus meaning that it would not have any nukes.

AlthistWriter (talk) 08:52, March 7, 2018 (UTC)

Important: I have decided to focus all Main editing on. The Editing process has been kinda messy recently, and I want to try and make more efficient. If we could try and Focus on this section of the timeline, that would be great. Thanks for your cooperation. AlthistWriter (talk) 08:59, March 7, 2018 (UTC)

I am conffused by your no it's fine remak. Are you say to still save colgon even though duffuidorf is the capitl

Since your focusing on asia i guess i should just give  suggestions for asia untill  deicide to work on other parts of the work.

I would put the aum shirnko state int the Tohuku region and nigata pefufture. It may orrignal  just  be an small state in the north part of  honsu isalnd but they evuantly built up more clut follower and an anrmy and start marching south.

I like the idea of an idea of an indpenet holkaido. Perhaps it would revie the name republic of ezo (ezo is the old name fo hokaido) or at least use it fla

II would put the new empire  capitla in Kyoto or Nara.I'd have it conrotl chubu minsu the niagate pefuture kanto  and northern kanaia I feel that the jappaness repucu sould contol the  souther kanisa  chuguko shikou and krysku. I feel that it's creation could be exlained by people not being willing toe accept a women on the impreiral throneGoldwind1 (talk) 23:58, March 7, 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for not making myself very clear, Cologne gets nuked, while Düsseldorf doesn’t.

Sounds good.

That’s another thing, due to Japanese Succession laws, a female cannot Inherit the Throne of Japan. Maybe it would be better for to become Emperor. AlthistWriter (talk) 08:20, March 8, 2018 (UTC)

South japan looks like it will have the lionshare of the remains of japan's elctornic industy. Sanyo  Funia Panisonic  and sharp headquaters pluse a resherch fality for mistubishi elctric. The emirpre  bigest  remanig tech companies would be Hoshizaki Electric, which is known for commercial ice machines and refrigeration equipment. Borther industuie known for sewing machines and printers and ninetnedo. The empire however has  Tototya misuskoa sukizi motor and  yamaha The repylics auto industy is just as mazeda andDaihatsu

Pa I suggest you follow this link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanshin_Industrial_Region#Kadoma,_Moriguchi,_Daito:_electronics I know you have the jappaness cival war has list as ongoing but i like the idea of jappnaess emprie ackonalge  the incpence of the jappnaesse republic in echcange for supoort with fighting aum sinytikyo. I also like the idea of the emprie and the republic having close eccomic ties

1989 war suggestions 4
With Sapparo nuked I'd put the captial of the second republic of Ezo at Hakodate   which was the captial of the first republic of EZO

I have preety much  finaizled my list of nuclear strikes  for japan. I may  added nagyoa to the list. If you want me to have the soviets target it should the strike be a hit or miss  I hope you don't mind that i decided to spare oskaGoldwind1 (talk) 18:11, March 9, 2018 (UTC)

In 1989 the  Leader of Tiawan was lee Teng- hui.Despite being a meamber of the  He wa major supporter of increassed democraztion and the promation of a tiawiness identiy over a chiniees.I don't think set out to conquer  mainland but i could picture him trying sendign troops to the mainlnad helping rebels overthorwn the rements of comminst authity and allowing them to vote on joing tiawan in a new federal goverment.It is also possabile that he got  overthrown by Komintang hardline Palace faction. If they succed in a coup then would probbaly instal lee haun. I personally like the idea of a democatic south china state

Sounds good.

I see. That seems good.

AlthistWriter (talk) 08:18, March 10, 2018 (UTC)

So are you going with a succesfull Palace faction coup and a full invision of the mainland or lee teng hui stay in power and having him support anti communist rebels in southern china and having them vote on federaltion with china. If the second option  is what you go with i would use the five nations flags with an 6th green stripe to repersent the native tiawaness people. ALso with we go with the  Lee  Hui stays in power and federates with southern rebels he may want to use a name other then china for his new nation. I would go with Mangi. This name was use by non han chiness for southern china during the song jin dynasty split.. Other sections are Hauxia(great flowerly beuaty) Jiangshan  (rivers and moutains) Shénzhōu (divine land) and  Morokoshi  (an obleste jappaness word for china)Goldwind1 (talk) 12:55, March 10, 2018 (UTC)

I think I’m going to have the one about funding anti-communist rebels. AlthistWriter (talk) 13:12, March 10, 2018 (UTC)

Do you like my suggest about the adding the green stripe to the flag and the possaible name change

Yes, I like it. I imagine there would be a flag like that on this wiki. I’m not sure about the name change. AlthistWriter (talk) 14:25, March 10, 2018 (UTC)

I have created it.

I would suggest takening out the blue canton with the white sun because it the symbol of the komantang. That makes it seam like the nation is still a kotimang dictorshipGoldwind1 (talk) 15:41, March 10, 2018 (UTC)

Is that better?

Also, I decided to put the capital of PRC in Tianjin, where should the capital of south China be?

I would probblay keep the south china  captial in Talepei  but if you instie on moving i say either hong kong Naijing (fomrer captial of repblicn china ) or Taizhou City i ( One of the craddle of capitalism in China) Goldwind1 (talk) 22:14, March 11, 2018 (UTC)

You got any preference?

I would say that Talpei is my top pick. I doubt that the soviet would nuke tiawan (except more may a failed strike on talpei) because miltatry ties with tiawan had been small since 1979) so i feel that the taiwan would not have any scars of nuclera except maybe a little fallout so it be the ideal place for south china's captial.

Do think america would full out nuke china like the soviet union do it being comminst or would bush put in consideriton china incressed captilism in china and there trade relations with america and only nuke beijing and major milatry bases. Also would the soviets nuke china. They have been  butting heads since the sino soviet split

The congress party  lost the indain ecletion of 1989. I belive this was due to the borfoss sandal. Do you think the goverment of india would declare martial and postopone canclee the ecletion. I am afraid doing so may look like that the congress party was afaid of lossing and would probbly trigger a cival war. Also do you belive that the prime minster Rajiv Gandhi  would be assinated in 1991 like otl.

I doubt that the Soviets would miss an opportunity to nuke China. I think that the US would only do minimum strikes against China.

Probably not, seeing as India suffered no nuclear strikes. If anything, they need to be strong to deal with the refugees from China. AlthistWriter (talk) 09:42, March 13, 2018 (UTC)

What about Rajiv Gandhi  does he still lose the ecletion of 1989 and  get assinated in 1991.

I think that north china should have more succesfull nuclear strikes then south china

Do you still want me to spare nagoya. It bigger then Kyoto which you have largest city. Kyoto should still be captial due to it's histoic and cultuarl segifangnce. Goldwind1 (talk) 11:17, March 13, 2018 (UTC)

About Rajiv, Yes.

Sounds goood.

No, don’t spare it. AlthistWriter (talk) 16:31, March 13, 2018 (UTC)

Also, what Nation do you live in?

I am from the state of ohio.

I'll add  nagoya to the list if you insit but i would pefer to spare it and keep it  the empire largest city. With  out Nagoya  the emprie  would probbaly disavadgagted compared to the republic. Nagoya metroarea  being the headquaters of toyota,brother industires a train buidling company,  a power tool company  and many cermics company. It is also Home to plants and or brnahc offices of Fuji Heavy Industries, Mitsubishi Motors, Pfizer, Sony, Suzuki, Bodycote, and Volkswagen Group. The Nagoya  industial base would good assect for  the emprie to conter the repubic the indusital bases in the osska kobe, The fudko Kitakyushu  area and to a lesser excent Hiromshima. Also Nagoya wasn't nuked in 1983 doomsday

The soviet Republic is probbaly a pharia state. They are probbaly blamed for nuclear war I feel that most countires probbaly won't trade with them. North china is probbaly  one of the firendly nations to them. However i feel that trade with them would be diffacult becuse ther ar hositle contryes between them and north china. I feel that the soviet lack  of trade would led to  an engeyr shortage in soviet union. Most of the russina oil is in siberia but I belive there is some well in soivet controlled aberjan and may some in other lands. I know that  you  say the soviet don't regonize centeral asain  but i like the idea of the soviet republic  getting desperate and regonize centeral asian indpence in echange for a trade deal. I feel that it is possble that centeral asia will  accpet the deal because there  dictaior is the former First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic

Would you mind making the list of american  strikes in china. They would probally only strike beijing and a few of the more imporant  milatyr bases. I will start on list of soviet strikes in china.

Oh, I see, in that case yeah, spare it.

I was planning to have like a quite Authoritarian regime, as I think the soviets would put in a harsh regime to keep the Soviet Republic together.

No, not at all. AlthistWriter (talk) 08:16, March 14, 2018 (UTC)

I am being to think that south china and not brazil would be the world primary tehcongly power.

Nintendo is headquatered in Kyoto so it would have surrivied doomsday. I like the idea of it expanding in computers and tvs and buying out brother indusites and become imperial china number one comnuser ecletonics firm

Otl Tiawaness semicontdor company started a subcisdy called funtech will releassed the failed sega geniss clone the super a-can in 1995. I like the I like the idea of the Acan being a succes in this timeline. I would probbaly be released  now eariler then 1998 atl. The Acan had a game called speedy draggon. It was simalar  to sonic excpect main character was a punk kid who faught with a baseball bat instead of spindancing. I could find no story information. I the like idea of with no  sonic the headhog, the hero of speedy dragoon, is a dragoon who spin dash and has a mad sceist nemisc. I also like the idea of  the acan having a succesfull falllout like gameGoldwind1 (talk) 01:53, March 15, 2018 (UTC)

I like the idea of the soviet repbuic eventaly deciding around 2012 to regonize the soviet breakaway states withe the excpet of siberia in order to much need trade to help their eomcny.

I feel tha the united korea republic probbaly suffers form a promble with commuinsist rebels in the north. I feel that the northern would be jeouls of the somewhat better condions in the south and  are feel that the southern bassed goverement isn;t putting enough money into rebudiling the  north

All sounds good. I’m a fan of Nintendo, so I agree. :) AlthistWriter (talk) 14:02, March 15, 2018 (UTC)

Do you like the idea the part about the taiwaness gennis clone being released released a few year  and two greater success. Also do you think that America would heavily nuke the meambers of warsaw pact. The writng was on the wall for the collaspe for  comison in  mist eastern europe by novmeber 1989. Romanian and bulgira were the only two wp meamber who havn't  permord any major reform before the wall cosllapse. So  i feel that would many nuke milatry targets and maybe captial cites in the warsaw pact countires with the excpetion of bulgair romania and maybe east germany (East germany start the berlin criss)Goldwind1 (talk) 21:57, March 15, 2018 (UTC)

The soviet rebublic probbally has a large number rebel groups. Do you think one of the largest would be a group dedcatied to the ideals of Mikhail Gorbachev. Do  think America would nuke laos

I think that the US probably would nuke the Warsaw Pact reasonably. I don’t think they would nuke East Germany, even in the middle of war.

I agree, and that sounds good.

Loas: Why do you sa6 that?

The reason i suggest nuking laos is because they are commnist and have strong ties with vietnam and i feelt that with the warsaw pact reform america would  have bombs to spare and  might consider it worrth nuking one of the laos which wasn't on the verge of emerging democary like poland or providng cheap facoty labor like china.

America nuke East germany (AKAa the Democarimtc republic of Germany)back  in 1983 doomsdya although they spare berlin. If you still think they would spare east germany they i will delte the east germany section form the target list. Ps they are a lot of soviet milatry bases in commnist east germany

What do mean by resaonbly nuk the warsaw pact. Do you mean just nuke milatry targets and maybe the captial cities or would they also nuke major inudsiatl/ population centers. I feel that we consider the fact that most of the warsaw pact had been reforming befor the berlin wall incident. For exmaple in  june 1989 poland allows the anicomist solidarty group to run for parmialiment and they won 35 perecnet of the vote in the sejm. Soldierity was also abel  to make a collistion with  the allince of democrats resluting in soldiarty activst Tadeusz Mazowiecki's becoming prime minsterGoldwind1 (talk) 12:02, March 16, 2018 (UTC)

Oh, I see. That sound good then.

Maybe they could just nuke Soviet military targets.

Just nuke military bases and major cities in the Warsaw Pact. AlthistWriter (talk) 18:00, March 16, 2018 (UTC)

Laos wasnt' nuked in 1983 but with if ameica decide to just nuke milatry targets in most east eurpean conutryes du to reforms going on then maybe they would be open to nuking laos capitalGoldwind1 (talk) 22:56, March 16, 2018 (UTC)

What do think will happen to afganstan. Will the taibline still be in power  or maybe they argnered iran or centeral asai and invaded and set up a puppet govermentGoldwind1 (talk) 22:56, March 16, 2018 (UTC)

You have the jappaness cival war listed as ongoing. I like the idea of  emprie regonizing the republic in exchange for help with fighting aum singykyo

Cool.

The Central Asian Puppet government sounds good.

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If Laos captial got nuked, i feel  that it would go the path of somialia unless maybe  it  anexed by vietnam or Thailand. an ancient name for laos was lan xang meaning an million elphants. If Laos ends up like somial  i feel that the region should be nicknamed lan huana songkham meaning a millon warlordsGoldwind1 (talk) 12:33, March 17, 2018 (UTC)

Have you decided when gorbheve get overthrown or does ever come into powerGoldwind1 (talk) 13:41, March 17, 2018 (UTC)

I know you like my idea about nintetod surrivoring and release the snes at latter date then otl (it will probbal take  a few years for thinks to  seatle down in kyot for local companies to start geting out of a surrival eccomny). But do like the like my idea of  the failed tiawaness sega genis rippoff the super acan being released and doing better then otl because Sega collospe when toyko was nuked

Ohh, I like that.

Gorbachev gets overthrown.

Yes, it’s a good idea.

I looked at wikipedia arctles for east european contires more closely and have relized that only  poland yugolsavia and maybe alabaina were reforming  before  the berlin wall fell down. So i guess most of the WP gets a full  nuking but  form america  but Poland may just get  Warsaw and a few milatry bases nuke

Had any members of the ‘Saw Pact turned democratic by 11 November 1989?

Poland sorta turned democartic. The president was still comminst but they allowed  the  anti cominsit soildarity movement to run in  a multiparty ecletion and solidrty manged to form a majority in the semja by making a colltion with another party,. Thus there was an anit comnist prime minster in polandGoldwind1 (talk) 11:13, March 19, 2018 (UTC)

I see.

Also Yugoslavic was going though  market reform in the late and  America was investing in eccomny. In 1983 the ussr nuked belgrade but nowhere in yugoslavica. I think we do the same here except have the bomb be a dudGoldwind1 (talk) 21:57, March 19, 2018 (UTC)

Cool beans.

Do you like the idea of the burmaness junta refusing to join the international league of states and  open mocks it. They make the mistake of startign a scert nuclear program think that the isl  just another thootless group like the leageua of nations and the un. Unforacly they found the ILS was serious when they said they would invade any country with a nuclear programGoldwind1 (talk) 21:36, March 20, 2018 (UTC)

If The us only nukes Warsaw and miltary bases in poland where should the new captial be. My top pick is poland's third largest city Lodz. It is centeraly located and was once talk of moving the captial there in after of ww2 but in the end the goverment decide to rebuild warsaw and keep the captial there My second choice is kracow which is poland second  largest city and was captial until 1795 choice is Gdańsk since it  the headquaters of soildarity.

Oh, I like that idea.

Lodz seeing as it was 5he planned capital.

Might i suggest  make the baltic a fromer contry becuase it united with Poland to form a succsor to the Polish Lithunian comonwealth called the Polish Baltic Commonwalth. I could see it being an up incoming power in europe

Again, very good idea. I’ll get onto it.

I see that you are using the flag of the polish Lithuanian Commonwelaht for the Polish Baltic Commonwealth. I would at least remove the crown and relpace one with the lihtian knights and polish egeals on the crest with a blue lion for estiona and either a red lion or siliver grhipin for Lativia

Also i don't think japan has much of a republic movement OTL. The resaon i suggest the jappanes republic idea was that i felt it woauld be recation to emporor and his sons deing leaving only a daughter to regin as regent untill she has a son who comes of age.

Yep, designing a new one for it.

Oh, I see. What do you think we should do now?

I suggest we kill  off the emperros two sons and spare Sayako. I  see half of the japaness diet declarign that  the imperial line is dead becaus law say that only a man can inherit the throne and that Sayako can't hold the imeprial  last name when she marry and declare japan a republic. The other half of the deits says that Sayako is still the last of the imerpial blood and either changes the law so that she becomes empress or  atleast allows her  to keep the imperial name and serve as regent untill  she has son who comes of ages.

The tailiban was formed in 1992 and took over afrghanstan in 1996. I pefer the name procetorate of afghanstan for the post tailiban per 2017 state. I doubt that centeral aisa would give ture indpence to afgahnastan. I would just change the name form procetrate to republic and keep their puppets in powerGoldwind1 (talk) 18:09, March 23, 2018 (UTC)

I see.

Yep, will do the changes.

Re:Maps
Sorry for the delayed response. I use Inkscape for all my maps. -- 22:04, March 12, 2018 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for replying, I was wondering as they always look professional. AlthistWriter (talk) 09:16, March 13, 2018 (UTC)