Talk:Napoleonic Europe (Map Game)

Location:

 * At the war: 6
 * Next to the war: 5
 * Countries apart: 2-4 (Depending how big those countries are, etc.)
 * Far from mainland: 1
 * Halfway around the world: -2 to -5 (Depending how far away, and where.)

Strength:

 * Allied Help: 1-6 (Depending on what kind.


 * Larger Military: 5+ defender, if they have larger military, 4+ attacker if they have larger military, -7 for attackers if they don't have larger military, -3 for defenders if they don't have a larger military.


 * Extended Military: -1 to -8 for attackers/defenders if a portion of the army is concentrated elsewhere, depends on size.)


 * Control of the Seas: -2 for defenders if their nation is attacked and do not have control of their own seas, +3 or attackers that have control of the seas while they attack. Vice versa.


 * Side with Greater Industry: 3+ (If tied, +2 on defending side.) 

Tactical Advantage:

 * Technological Superiority: 4+ (if tied, 2+ on both sides.)
 * Attacker's Advantage: 1
 * Defenders Advantage: 2
 * Home is Desert/Mountainous/Heavily snowing: 5+ defenders, -5 attackers.
 * Home is Island: 5+ defenders, 5+ attackers
 * If Attackers attacked with no warning: 1+

Motive:

 * Life or Death: 12+, defenders
 * Loss of independence: +8 for defenders. 2+ for attackers.
 * Face massive loss of land/gain of land: 6+ defenders, 5+ attackers.
 * Social/Moral: (Lack of food, material, etc.) 6+ attackers, 5+ defenders
 * Political: +5 both sides.

When does this start?
When does this start? RandomWriterGuy 21:40, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

When I finish some other things, I get at least one map mod, and a sub-head mod. Ianian58 20:39, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Is this goin to start soon? CommanderOfTheFourthReich 03:06, April 3, 2012, (UTC)

I believe it'll start when Ianian is done with the stuff. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:13, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Europe:
French Empire:'' Powerful army, not a single other army in the world can beat them, just alone though. Powerful navy, modernized, is a challenge for the British, has a Bonaparte-ism touch, major African colonial territories, and in Asia, and also, some few dots in India. Has South American colonies.'''

'Great Britain: Has lost all S. American Colonies, has tight grip over India and southern Africa, relies on India for it's economy, has not given Canda indepencence yet, not for a while. Powerful, unmatched navy, cannot be defeated alone in the seas. Modernized. '

'Russia: Massive 'peasant' army with professional troops, little industrial economy, relies on agriculture and workshops all over the nation, major potential. Can easily defend against forces in their European areas, unless ridiciolously outnumbered. Has massive and vulnerable borders with China.'

'Austria-Hungary: Powerful army, has major unrest in areas of salvic population, medicore navy, neutral, could side with French or the British in case of war. Hates Confederatio of Rhine. One of the "true Germanies" Modernized.'

'Prussia: Powerful army, medicore navy, hates Poland and Confederation of Rhine. Modernized.'

'Poland: Medicore army, no navy, relies in gueriella warfare and French support in case of invasion by Prussia, or Russia. Almost modernized.

'Confederation of the Rhine: Combination of German states, powerful army, one of the "true Germanies" hates Prussia and Austria-Hungary, leading members in the confederation are Saxony, then Barvaria, and then Westlaphia. Medicore navy. Modernized.'

'Spain: Shadow of it's former self, relies MASSIVELY, on African and American colonies for it's economy, social unrest in North America. Proud people. Modernized.'

'Greece: New nation with proud people, decent army, good navy, relies on international help in-case of Ottoman aggresiveness. Modernized. Has African colonies to be noted.

'Kingdom of Milan: Okay army, medicore navy. Almost modernized.'

'Kingdom of Naples: Okay army, medicore navy. Almost modernized.'

Asia:
'China: Large pesant army, can hold vast lands, defeat smaller nations in land easily, weak against professional armies, medicore navy, huge potential.'

'Japan: Powerful navy and small but professional army, modernized.'

'Ottoman Empire: Powerful large, insipired army, barely modernized, medicore navy, faces unrest in Balkans, Turkey, huge economic problems, but potential.'

The Americas (N. America, and S. America)
'The United States: Small army and navy, modernized though, even slightly more advanced than France and the British, ever-booming economy. Proud people.

'The Confederate States of America: Small army, tough navy, modernized, powerful economy. Lacks workforce, could face economic problems.

Grand Colombia: Large agriculture potential, large army, and navy, almost modernized, good economy. '

'Joint Governments of South America: Main member is Argentina, then Chile, followed by other S. American nations, large modernized army, but medicore navy. '

'Brazil: Powerful nation, major economic growth, small 'city' colnies in India, holds major African colonies, powerful, modernized navy and army.'

Agorithm.
Hello. I was looking at the Agorithm, and saw that it gave you negative points for being behind in some areas, like technology. However, I don't think we should do it like that. You see, here is the logic behind my reasoning, if you are behind in technology, that doesn't mean you should get negative points, because it doesn't directly effect your army. However, if your army is over-extended, or fighting in mountionous, snowy areas, then that does directly effect you. I just don't think there should be negative points. TacoCopper

Sort-of, technology doesn't mean to be just like tanks and what not, it can inclue rifles and such, ships, cannons, and so on; which effects your own army due to the range you'd have to go and all. Of course, I do see your reasoning, I guess we could change it. Ianian58 22:52, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Map
You know, this map reminds me of this TL. Is that the source of inspiration? and also, why can't we start at 1812? RandomWriterGuy 22:13, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

It is inspired right out of that map; we're not starting at 1812, because at 1812, it would not be so interesting as it is; that is my favorite TL I've ever read, and I based this map game out of that; with some changes though. Ianian58 22:50, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

We need.....
We need a few more players, especially for the nations of : Spain, Prussia, the United States, and Grand Colombia. (Notice how theese nations are major, and could be the cause of war; Prussia on Poland; Grand Colombia on Spanish colonies.) So, I'll be inviting people to the game for the next few days, if anyone has a friend, be my guest. I personally won't take a large nation so people won't call me bias, being the creator and all, so I'll be fine with small Greece.

Poland
How is poland a "true germany" if they aren't ethnic germans, Poles are Slavs. Also Poland would have a strong cavalry tradition and is actually pretty advanced. In fact the first oil wells were invented by Poles.

Also the Polish would have a strong industry because of their working spirit and the fact that they are surrounded by enemies. This could also be said for the army. Bobalugee1940 13:48, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't say the Poles have a weak industry. And the Polish being "true germanies" is a grammar mistake.Ianian58 18:30, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

CSA vs USA
Shouldnt the USA and CSA hate each other, not allied. The US also whouldn't quickly forget the betrayal by the French. They would hate each other over slavery and the very fact that the CSA seceded from the USA. Bobalugee1940 13:53, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

You have good points: but think of this. The CSA 'wins' the war due to France threatening war on the US, and overtime, the CSA develops socially, giving independence to black people and all things like that. Right? They become very nationalistic, and proud people over time. The US, a democratic nation which the people decide all, wouldn't want to take back former land, if those people in those lands, don't want to be back with them. Yes, they'll have a friendly rivalry in sports, and maybe even cases in wars. An alliance would benefit, and secure strength for both nations. And with the U.S and French; historically, the U.S cut out their alliance with them in the 1790's, due to it being obsolete. And in this alternate history world, they tempoairly reestablish it against the British, doesn't mean they are best friends. And again, they hate the British more, than they hate the French. But the U.S player can change that.