Talk:North American Union (1983: Doomsday)

This conflicts with previously established info on the Municipal States of the Pacific. You can't just wave your hand and undo one of the first nations ever created for this timeline. A lot of this will have to be changed. Benkarnell 22:05, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * You're right Ben! Without Changes this can not be accepted as canon and my MSP are not to be removed this simple. And a lot of conflict potential to Ben's Hawaii Profile!! So please everyone read related and releveant stuff before changing established countries and profiles bearing hours of works!


 * @Ben Thanks for the reaction and I will highlight this issue on the Editorial Guideline (1983: Doomsday) and Start page again. Will start a major clean-up and update of the timeline as well as we got a lot things floating around... non-canon primarily.


 * @author of UAR: Nonetheless there are quite good ideas in your writing. A lot of them can be adopted into canon, but as Ben said will have to be modified of course. PLease have a look @ the Editorial Guideline (1983: Doomsday) and the general rules of althist wiki!! Thank you!

Xi&#39;Reney 03:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I can chime in re Obama. For my Hawaii project I certainly researched him, and in 1983 he was either in Chicago, New York, or Honolulu.  Either way, he's currently spending most of his time emitting beta particles...  couldn't very well be Speaker of anything :)  Benkarnell 00:14, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Anyone mind if I try my hand at an edit? I have a few ideas to make this fit better with canon and also to explain why no other nation has significant contact with the UAR.


 * It's improving, but I think it still goes against the overall spirit of the timeline more than any specific piece of information. Before this page was created, all we knew about North America was that the Canadian government survived in the Arctic somewhere, and that there were some city states on the West Coast ruled by rough men who called themselves names like "Boss Jones".  The whole area was presented as violent, unorganized, uncivilized - all hallmarks of civilization had been destroyed by the bombs, the fallout, or the chaotic aftermath.  What remained were hardscrabble communities of men and women gathered for mutual defense from the roaming bands outside the town walls.  A functioning democracy that covers half of the old USA, in my opinion, goes against that overall picture.  I can see a smaller area that attempts a democracy.  Maybe even a regional council that attempts to coordinate between several struggling "state governments" with only partial control over their respective countrysides.  But nothing this large or this... happy.  Sorry for a long-winded response.  I just think that the problems with this idea go beyond details and canon, and go into the whole spirit of this alt-world.  Benkarnell 20:58, 28 April 2009 (UTC)