Talk:The Great Peace (Map Game)

Map Changes
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Eastern Front

 * Turkey(1920)
 * Total: 23
 * Population: 3
 * Industry: 4
 * Technology: 4
 * Government: 5
 * War Eagerness: 10
 * War Weariness: 2
 * Readiness: 3
 * Fronts: -5
 * War Progress: 0
 * Armenia (1920)
 * Total: 22
 * Population: 0
 * Industry: 2
 * Technology: 3 (I guess? It isn't in a tier?)
 * Government: 5
 * War Eagerness: 10
 * War Weariness: 2
 * Readiness: 5
 * Fronts: -5 [Azerbaijani-Armenian War]
 * Battle of Erzurum (1920)
 * Armenia and Georgia
 * Total: 111.375
 * Troops: 30,000 Armenians + 10,000 Georgians = 40
 * Equipment: 1.35 (bolt-action rifles, no mechanization or motorization, motorcycle-lvl communications)
 * Support: 1.1 (no naval or aerial support, moderate artillery support)
 * Morale: 1.25 (ltd conscription, similar war scores, regaining lost territory)
 * Experience: 1.5 (experienced NCOs and officers but reservists)
 * Defensives: N/A
 * Turkey
 * Total: 86.8725
 * Troops: 25,000
 * Equipment: 1.35 (bolt-action rifles, no mechanization or motorization, motorcycle-lvl communications)
 * Support: 1.20, Ottoman air force, moderate artillery.
 * Morale: 1.30, defense of homeland, ltd conscription, similar war scores
 * Experience: 1.5 (experienced NCOs and officers but reservists)
 * Defensives: 1.10
 * Result:

Discussion
IDK if this is right. But it seems like this means Armenia and Georgia capture Rize and Erzurum and the forces Turkey sent to defend eastern Anatolia get pretty badly beaten (IDK what the margins mean). -Armenia Player

I have made changes in brackets, as recommened by the mods. I am ready for discussion.

"This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 02:11, July 5, 2018 (UTC) The Azerbaijani-Armenian War was paused due to a ceasefire at the beginning of 1920, and given that I haven't restarted it as Armenia did OTL, and there hasn't been any moderator event to restart it on Azerbaijan's part, I don't think it's happening.

Also, the territories Turkey is defending aren't part of the Turkish homeland; they're predominantly or substantially Armenian territories whose inhabitants were just massacred en masse. In a lot of these areas, the Russians held control into 1917-18, preventing the genocide from occurring, so Armenians would still be in the majority, or would be in combination with Kurds, Georgians or other groups, and the kind of Turkish resettlement that happened in the 1920s OTL hasn't really occurred yet. Definitely not any part of core Turkish territory, and it seems a little presumptive even for Ataturk-era Turkey to treat the spoils of genocide as part of the Turkish homeland. MaddeningYams (talk) 03:10, July 5, 2018 (UTC)

Also, per the description in my turn, the entirety of Armenian forces were concentrated against Erzurum, with the second battle only occurring if they successfully captured that city, so the numbers ought to be 50,000 (or 40,000 with the lowered numbers). MaddeningYams (talk) 11:09, July 5, 2018 (UTC) Okay, so I've changed the algorithm to include all the suggested changes (despite the fact I disagree with many of them) except the reduction of Armenian troop numbers, and removed the second battle to reflect the fact that it is unlikely that Armenian troops would win decisively enough at Erzurum to move on to Rize as planned. I think the higher numbers are reasonable because Armenia ATL is not fighting a simultaneous war with Azerbaijan, for reasons described above, and won't be until either I restart it or a moderator does on Azerbaijan's behalf, and also because Armenians are quite angry about the genocide and would presumably be enthusiastic about getting the homes they have been expelled from back. Also, because no one has crossed out the 50,000 I put in my turn, so that's presumably a reasonable operative total number. I additionally included the regaining lost territories modifier for Armenia, which seems reasonable if Turkey is to receive the defending homeland modifier. Sorry if this is wrong! MaddeningYams (talk) 14:12, July 5, 2018 (UTC)

If all of the forces are concentrated as Ezurum, then you shouldn't have done the second battle until you have the result of the first.

As to your points. If OTL things happen without the need for being posted, then you must contend with the numerous Bolshevik uprisings taking place in Armenia in 1920. If OTL things can only happen when posted about, then Azerbaijan remains at war with you. Either way, you are fighting someone else at the same time you are fighting me. I've also spoken to the mods, and given that the armistice with Azerbaijan only happened because of a Soviet invasion there in 1920, which the Soviet player did not do, they have no reason to halt the fighting. Enjoy your second front.

Given that you have a second front, I find it unlikely you'd be able to deploy all of your men against me, otherwise Azerbaijan will just walk right in. The mods think, at least for 1920, the most you could throw would be 35,000, with the rest against Azerbaijan.

Next, the Turks have held these lands for nearly five hundred years, populated by Armenians or no. If the Turks are willing to fight and die, at supreme lengths, to defend Gallipoli (~70% Greek) or Mesopotamia (Widely Arab and Kurd), then I think they would also fight zealously for these lands as well.

"This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 14:44, July 5, 2018 (UTC)

I think you're confused about the course of the Armenian-Azerbaijani War. A ceasefire was signed in late 1919 and fighting restarted in early 1920 (I believe in March). The war subsequently resumed when Armenia attempted to retake the territory lost in 1919, then stopped again when the Soviets invaded later in 1920 (the part of the war to which you refer). Thus, as the game began, Armenia and Azerbaijan were not at war. I haven't restarted war with Azerbaijan, and the mods haven't restarted it on behalf of Azerbaijan, so the ceasefire is still in place. Incidentally, the ceasefire left Azerbaijan in control of the region under dispute, so I don't see why they'd restart the war. Although this advice isn't widely applicable, I'd suggest that in future, you hold the gloating sarcasm until you've got a clear grasp on the course of ethnic conflict in the 1920s Caucasus.

Also, you can't unilaterally end the Franco-Turkish War, as you did in your 1921 turn. So that's still going on, unless the France player or a mod agrees to end the war. But France is definitely still at war with Turkey in the 1920 turn. Enjoy your third front!

Now, I'm sure the Turks are "willing to fight and die zealously" for the regions under dispute, but it doesn't follow that they are doing so for their homeland. Indeed, they are doing so in order to retain the territorial spoils of a lengthy, brutal campaign of systematic mass killing. Even for Kemalist Turkey, trying to create a narrative of a "crusade to defend the homeland" for a campaign to keep territory taken from the victims of a genocide trying to take it back would, I think, be a bit hard to swallow. The "defending homelands" bonus, it seems to me, ought to apply to regions where the state's dominant ethnic group has a clear majority, not ethnically mixed borderlands; there's certainly no plausible chance that the Armenians are going to push into central Anatolia, given the relative strengths at play here. This is especially true because Armenians are still in the majority in a lot of these areas, since the Russian army held them long enough to avert the genocide; in fact, Armenian refugees scattered across the whole Ottoman empire fled to a lot of these places, creating increased concentrations of the Armenian population.

Finally, I'd like to hear from the mods themselves, rather than have the mods speak through an involved player - I don't think that's how the system ought to work. MaddeningYams (talk) 15:38, July 5, 2018 (UTC)

Hello, I am a mod and I will rule on this, one second.....

...ok. Yams need to calm the heck down, there is no need to get to ad hominem arguments. However, you have an excellent point on the Az-Ar war. The ceasefire of 1919 should still be in effect, meaning that you do not have that second front. But the most that Armenia can mobilize should be 40,000 troops, notwithstanding border defense. Turkey has the right to declare whatever they want to be homeland, at least from the former Ottoman Empire, especially considering the charisma of Kemal. You both have the ability to claim the bonus as far as I see. As for the rest, I am withholding judgement until I can ask the players of the nations Turkey is dealing with. Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess  17:47, July 5, 2018 (UTC)

I apologize for the way I came across. In the past people have screwed me over by omitting OTL things their nation was doing, so I overreacted when I assumed you were doing the same. Thank you for the point about Az-Ar, my source didn't tell me there was an armistice.

It appears to me (at least right now) everything is more or less equal other troop numbers, correct? At least based on what the mods have told me in terms of motivation, as per what Nathan said above. If there is only one major battle at the start, then Turkish troop numbers should be boosted as well, given what a comparatively small front it is. I spread them out across the two battles because I assumed Armenia was doing both at the same time.

What nations do you need to talk about, Nathan? I can reach out to them if that makes it easier on you.

"This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 18:04, July 5, 2018 (UTC)

I suppose so, although I think Armenia gets the "defending homelands" as well, from what Nathan said. Although I would argue there are at least 6 or 7 major cities in eastern Turkey to defend (Van, Bitlis, Erzurum, Rize, Trabzon, Mus), so I'm not sure how many Turkish troops out of 50,000 total would be concentrated in Erzurum, as opposed to the other cities. And I'm still unsure on what's up with France, whose player hasn't posted about the Franco-Turkish War. OTL Turkey had 80,000 troops in mid-1920 (at least, according to, whose source for the number seems to be the Turkish general staff), so 50,000 seems like a big number to assign to deal with Armenia while simultaneously fighting France and Greece. MaddeningYams (talk) 18:48, July 5, 2018 (UTC)

Arab Crisis

 * United Kingdom of Great Britian and Ireland (1921)
 * Total: 53
 * Population: 20
 * Industry: 7 [The whole empire is not fully industrialized]
 * Technology: 5
 * Government: 5
 * War Eagerness: -2
 * War Weariness: -2
 * Readiness: 1
 * Fronts: 5
 * Hashemite Kingdom of Syria (1921)
 * Total: 23
 * Population: 0
 * Industry: 0
 * Technonlogy: 1
 * Governemnt: -1
 * War Eagerness: 10
 * War Weariness: 5
 * Readiness: 3
 * Front: 5

Northern Palestine Offensive
Result: (Percenatge equals 37.36.%)
 * Battle of Nazareth (1921)
 * United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
 * Total: 29.453
 * Troops: 7 (7,000 deployed)
 * Equipment: 1.65 (Bolt action, Partially Motorized, Scarce Radio)
 * Support: 1.20 (Minimal Artillery, Full Aerial)
 * Morale: 1.25 (Greater than the enemy, Democratic Ideaology, Volunteer Only)
 * Experience: 1.7 (Proffesional Army, Experienced Veterans of WW1)
 * Defensives: N/A
 * Hashemite Kingdom of Syria
 * Total: 18.1
 * Troops: 12 (10,000 troops of the Arab Army+2,000 Iranian troops)
 * Equipment: 1.25 (Bolt-action Rifles, Horses)
 * Support: 1
 * Morale: 1.3 (Volunteer, Less than enemy, Monarchist, defense of homeland)
 * Experience: 1.50 (Veteran Officer Corps, Basic Training)
 * Defensives: 1.05
 * Syrian Campaign (1922)
 * United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
 * Total: 29.453
 * Troops: 7 (7,000 deployed)
 * Equipment: 1.65 (Bolt action, Partially Motorized, Scarce Radio)
 * Support: 1.20 (Minimal Artillery, Full Aerial)
 * Morale: 1.25 (Greater than the enemy, Democratic Ideaology, Volunteer Only)
 * Experience: 1.7 (Proffesional Army, Experienced Veterans of WW1)
 * Defensives: N/A
 * Hashemite Kingdom of Syria
 * Total: 78.82
 * Troops: 28 (15,000 troops of the Arab Army+2,000 Iranian troops+1,000 Egyptian troops+10,000 French troops)
 * Equipment: 1.25 (Bolt-action Rifles, Horses)
 * Support: 1.05 (minimal naval support)
 * Morale: 1.3 (Volunteer, Less than enemy, Monarchist, defense of homeland)
 * Experience: 1.50 (Veteran Officer Corps, Basic Training)
 * Defensives: 1.1 (enchrenchment)

Britsh forces are crushed in Southern Syria due to overwhelming coalition numbers

Invasion of Crimea

 * Russian Soviet Republic(1921)
 * Total: 3
 * Population: 10
 * Industry: 4
 * Technology: 4
 * Government: 5
 * War Eagerness: -20
 * War Weariness: 2
 * Readiness: 3
 * Fronts: -5
 * War Progress: 0
 * White Russian Survivors (1921)
 * Total: -18
 * Population: 3
 * Industry: 0
 * Technology: 4
 * Government: 1
 * War Eagerness: -20
 * War Weariness: -5
 * Readiness: -1
 * Fronts: 0 [Azerbaijani-Armenian War]
 * Battle of Crimea (1920)
 * Red Army
 * Total: 451.07
 * Troops: 150,000 Red Army Soldiers +150
 * Equipment: 1.35 (bolt-action rifles, no mechanization or motorization, motorcycle-lvl communications)
 * Support: 1.1 (no naval or aerial support, moderate artillery support)
 * Morale: 1.35 (mandatory conscription, more than double war score, regaining lost territory)
 * Experience: 1.5 (experienced officers)
 * Defensives: N/A
 * White Army
 * Total: 106.92
 * Troops: 40,000
 * Equipment: 1.35 (bolt-action rifles, no mechanization or motorization, motorcycle-lvl communications)
 * Support: 1.20,
 * Morale: 1.00, defense of homeland, mandatory conscription, less than half of warscore
 * Experience: 1.5 (experienced NCOs and officers but reservists)
 * Defensives: 1.10
 * Result:4201.88% victory for the Red Army, absolute White capitulation

Soviet Invasion of the Ukrainian anarchists.

 * Russian Soviet Republic(1925)
 * Total: 38
 * Population: 10
 * Industry: 4
 * Technology: 4
 * Government: 5
 * War Eagerness: 5
 * War Weariness: 2
 * Readiness: 3
 * Fronts: 5
 * War Progress: 0
 * Ukranian anarchists (1925)
 * Total: 17
 * Population: 0
 * Industry: 0
 * Technology: 3
 * Government: 5
 * War Eagerness: 5
 * War Weariness: -2
 * Readiness: 1
 * Fronts: 5
 * Battle of ramdom part of ukraine (1925)
 * Red Army
 * Total: 210.60
 * Troops: 50,000 Red Army Soldiers 50
 * Equipment: 1.60 (bolt-action rifles,, some radio)
 * Support: 1.3 (no naval or aerial support, heavy artillery support)
 * Morale: 1.35 (mandatory conscription, more than double war score, regaining lost territory)
 * Experience: 1.5 (experienced officers)
 * Defensives: N/A
 * Georgian Army
 * Total: 48.60
 * Troops: 20,000 +20
 * Equipment: 1.35 (bolt-action rifles, no mechanization or motorization, motorcycle-lvl communications)
 * Support: 1.20,
 * Morale: 1.00, defense of homeland, mandatory conscription, less than half of warscore
 * Experience: 1.5 (experienced NCOs and officers but reservists)
 * Defensives: 0
 * Result:Total anarchist Defeat, the government sues for peace.

Manchurian War
Japanese Intervention (1923)
 * Zhili (1922)
 * Total: 25
 * Population: 3
 * Industry: 2
 * Technology: 2
 * Government: 3
 * War Eagerness: 5
 * War Weariness: 2
 * Readiness: 3
 * Fronts: 5
 * War Progress: 0
 * Fengitan (1922)
 * Total: 25
 * Population: 3
 * Industry: 2
 * Technology: 2
 * Government: 3
 * War Eagerness: 5
 * War Weariness: 2
 * Readiness: 3
 * Fronts: 5
 * Japan (1923)
 * Total: 34
 * Population: 5
 * Industry: 7
 * Technology: 4
 * Government: 3
 * War Eagerness: 5
 * War Weariness: 2
 * Readiness: 3
 * Fronts: 5
 * Zhili Offensive (1922)
 * Zhili Army
 * Total: 248.063
 * Troops: 150
 * Equipment: 1.25 (Modern bolt-action rifles, no mechanization or motorization, Horse)
 * Support: 1.05 (no naval or aerial support, minimal artillery support)
 * Morale: 1.05 (mandatory conscription, same war score, Monarchist)
 * Experience: 1.2 (veteran officers/ncos, minimal training)
 * Defensives: N/A
 * Fengitan Army
 * Total: 111.132
 * Troops:70
 * Equipment: 1.00 (Poor bolt-action rifles, no mechanization or motorization, Horse)
 * Support: 1.05 (no naval or aerial support, minimal artillery support)
 * Morale: 1.20 (defense of homeland, mandatory conscription,  same warscore)
 * Experience: 1.20 (veteran officers/ncos, minimal training)
 * Defensives: 1.05
 * Result:Totaly Fengitan Defeat, the warlord is executed.
 * Japanese Imperial Army
 * Total: 754
 * Troops: 200
 * Equipment: 1.45 (modern bolt-action, no mechanization or motorization, scarce radio)
 * Support: 1.3 (moderate naval, minimal aerial, no armor, moderate artillery)
 * Morale: 1.25 (with warrior code)
 * Experience: 1.6
 * Defensives: N/A
 * Zhili Army
 * Total: 186.04
 * Troops: 150
 * Equipment: 1.25 (Modern bolt-action rifles, no mechanization or motorization, Horse)
 * Support: 1.05 (no naval or aerial support, minimal artillery support)
 * Morale: 0.75 (mandatory conscription, same war score, Monarchist, surrounded)
 * Experience: 1.2 (veteran officers/ncos, minimal training)
 * Defensives: 1.05
 * Result:Totaly Zhili is crushed and forced to capitulate to Japan

Second War of the Pacific

 * Chile (1923)
 * Total: 22
 * Population: 0
 * Industry: 2
 * Technology: 4
 * Government: 5
 * War Eagerness: 5
 * War Weariness: 5
 * Readiness: 1
 * Fronts: 0
 * War Progress: 0
 * Bolivia (1923)
 * Total: 27
 * Population: 0
 * Industry: 2
 * Technology: 2
 * Government: 5
 * War Eagerness: 5
 * War Weariness: 5
 * Readiness: 3
 * Fronts: 5
 * Peru (1923)
 * Total: 25
 * Population: 0
 * Industry: 2
 * Technology: 2
 * Government: 5
 * War Eagerness: 5
 * War Weariness: 5
 * Readiness: 1
 * Fronts: 5
 * War Progress: 0
 * Battle of Caballa
 * Peru and Bolivia
 * Total: 71.761
 * Troops: 25,000 Bolivians + 25,000 Peruvians
 * Equipment: 1.35 (bolt-action rifles, no mechanization or motorization, motorcycle-lvl communications)
 * Support: 1.05 (no naval or aerial support, minimal artillery support)
 * Morale: 1.35 (ltd conscription, larger war score, regaining lost territory, democracy)
 * Experience: 0.75 (green NCOs and officers, minimal training)
 * Defensives: N/A
 * Chile
 * Total: 86.149
 * Troops: 50,000 (delays in mobilizing fully because Chile is weirdly oblong)
 * Equipment: 1.35 (bolt-action rifles, no mechanization or motorization, motorcycle-lvl communications)
 * Support: 1.10, no aerial support, moderate artillery, inland.
 * Morale: 1.30, defense of homeland, ltd conscription, similar war scores
 * Experience: 0.85 (green officers + NCOs, basic training)
 * Defensives: 1.05
 * Result: Chile defends itself from Peru and Bolivia

Discussion
In the first Pacific War all sides employed vastly fewer troops. I have made the numbers more reflective of the reality of Latin American warfare.-Steph

Why are Chilean troop numbers twice that of Peru and Bolivia's, which collectively have about twice Chile's population in 1920? How is it getting 50,000 men from Santiago, Valparaiso and Concepcion, across the Atacama Desert, to fight a battle against nations with nearer population centres? How is Chile mobilizing so quickly against a surprise attack? How is it sustaining and supplying 50,000 men to cross the Atacama without easy access to the River Loa, which is more accessible from the north? Why are you basing numbers on the Pacific War, which occurred in the 1880s, rather than the Chaco War, which occurred in the 1920s, and whose troop numbers better reflects the vast sums in mining revenue Bolivia spent on its army in the early 1900s? MaddeningYams (talk) 00:45, July 7, 2018 (UTC)

Peru and Bolivia are much less developed and face greater challenges to internal communication than Chile preventing as high a level of mobilization. Again, Chile has better infrastructure and a reasonably large navy to transport men and supplies through and around the desert. The relative distance of the Peruvian and Bolivian population centers is mostly negated by the presence of some of the most impassable terrain in the world, notably the Andes Mountains. I am not basing numbers on the Pacific War, if I were Bolivia would have 1,500 troops total, and I will conceed both sides can increase their troop levels. Chile in this period also had massive mining revenues and a strong militarist tradition. -Steph

Right, but I think you're still missing stuff based on the example of the Pacific War. One, Chile built a railway between La Paz, the Bolivian capital, and Arica, a major port in the Atacama Desert, in 1913 which would make it vastly easier to for Peru and Bolivia to move troops into the Atacama and supply them once there. There's also a second railway running from La Paz to Antofagasta. By contrast, I don't think Chile has any railways running from its population centres to the Atacama at this point. The Chilean navy is powerful (incidentally, it also ate up most of Chile's mining revenues, leaving it with much less to spend on the army than Bolivia and Peru) but also largely dreadnoughts and cruisers intended for a naval war with Argentina, not the large number of transports necessary to move 50,000 men to the Atacama and sustain them there without a rail connection. Chile was able to support its army by sea in the War of the Pacific precisely because armies at the time were so small. MaddeningYams (talk) 11:52, July 7, 2018 (UTC)

Bono's Revolt
Structure Structure
 * Italy (1923)
 * Total: 35
 * Population: 3
 * Industry: 7
 * Technology: 5
 * Government: 5
 * War Eagerness: 5
 * War Weariness: 5
 * Readiness: 5
 * Fronts: 0
 * War Progress
 * Italian White Movement - $4.99 at Papa John's (1923)
 * Total: 18
 * Population: 0
 * Industry: 7
 * Technology: 10
 * Government: 1
 * War Eagerness: -2
 * War Weariness: 5
 * Readiness: -3
 * Fronts: 0
 * War Progress
 * Defense of Rome (1923)
 * Italy (Defender)
 * Total: 56.8
 * Troops: 180,000 - 18
 * Equipment: Equipment: 1.35 (bolt-action rifles, no mechanization or motorization, motorcycle-lvl communications)
 * Support: 1.35
 * Morale: 1.25
 * Experience: 1.7
 * Defensives: 1.1
 * Bono (Attacker)
 * Total: 15.6
 * Troops: 75,000 - 7.5
 * Equipment: Equipment: 1.35 (bolt-action rifles, no mechanization or motorization, motorcycle-lvl communications)
 * Support: 1.05
 * Morale: 0.85
 * Experience: 1.7
 * Defensives:N/A
 * Result: 371.24%. Crushing Italian victory. Bono and his forces are either destroyed or captured.

The Liberation of the Austrian Peoples

 * Italian Communists (1923)
 * Total: 37
 * Population: 3
 * Industry: 7
 * Technology: 5
 * Government: 5
 * War Eagerness: 5
 * War Weariness: 5
 * Readiness: 2
 * Fronts: 5
 * War Progress
 * Austrian Communists (1923)
 * Total: 33
 * Population: 1
 * Industry: 7
 * Technology: 5
 * Government: 5
 * War Eagerness: 5
 * War Weariness: 5
 * Readiness: 5
 * Fronts: 5
 * War Progress
 * Austrian Empire (1923)
 * Total: -13
 * Population: 1
 * Industry: 7
 * Technology: 10
 * Government: -1
 * War Eagerness: -20
 * War Weariness: -5
 * Readiness: -5
 * Fronts: 0
 * War Progress
 * Liberation of Tyrol (1923)
 * Italian and Austrian Communists (Attacker)
 * Total: 34.74
 * Troops: 18,000 - 18
 * Equipment: Equipment: 1.35 (bolt-action rifles, no mechanization or motorization, motorcycle-lvl communications)
 * Support: 1.1 (moderate artillery support)
 * Morale: 1.3 (More than 2x nat'l war score, volunteer army.)
 * Experience: 1.3
 * Defensives:
 * Austrian Empire
 * Total: 13.53
 * Troops: 35,000 - 35
 * Equipment: Equipment: 1.35 (bolt-action rifles, no mechanization or motorization, motorcycle-lvl communications)
 * Support: 1.1 (Moderate artillery support)
 * Morale: 0.15 (Nat'l war score half enemy, encircled and out of supplies, monarchists/nationalists, volunteer conscription)
 * Experience: 1.7
 * Defensives:N/A
 * Result: 256.76%. Crushing Communist victory. Nat'l score for Austria is below 0, forcing an unconditional surrender. With both a Serbian invasion and a Communist revolution, Austria's government begins to collapse. Workers in Vienna take the city by the end of the year. Treaty of Tyrol (1924)

Hashemite-Saudi War

 * Hashemites (1925)
 * Total: 22
 * Population: 1
 * Industry: 2
 * Technology: 1
 * Government: 1
 * War Eagerness: 10
 * War Weariness: 2
 * Readiness: 5
 * Fronts: 0
 * War Progress
 * Saudi Arabia (1925)
 * Total: 12
 * Population: 0
 * Industry: 0
 * Technology: 1
 * Government: 3
 * War Eagerness: 5
 * War Weariness: 2
 * Readiness: 1
 * Fronts: 0
 * War Progress
 * Defense of Hejaz (1925)
 * Saudis (attacker)
 * Total: 8.1
 * Troops: 7,000 - 7
 * Equipment: 1.25 (bolt-action rifles, no mechanization or motorization, horses)
 * Support: 1
 * Morale: 1.1 (less than enemy score, monarchist, limited conscription)
 * Experience: 0.85 (green officers, basic training)
 * Defensives: N/A
 * Hashemites (defense)
 * Total: 36.45
 * Troops: 500 Hejaz + 10,000 Syrian + 1,000 Egyptian - 11.5
 * Equipment: 1.25 (bolt-action rifles, no mechanization or motorization, horses)
 * Support: 1.15 (minimal artilary, minimal armor support from Turkey)
 * Morale: 1.4 (monarchist, defense of homeland, greater than enemy score, volunteer)
 * Experience: 1.5 (veteran officer core, basic training)
 * Defensives: 1.05
 * Result: Saudi invasion utter destroyed
 * Battle of Nejd (1925)
 * Hashemites (attack)
 * Total: 150.12
 * Troops: 20,000 Syrian + 30,000 Persian + 5,000 Turkish + 700 Iraqi - 55.7
 * Equipment: 1.25 (bolt-action rifles, no mechanization or motorization, horses)
 * Support: 1.15 (moderate aerial support)
 * Morale: 1.25 (monarchist, greater than enemy score, volunteer)
 * Experience: 1.5 (veteran officer core, basic training)
 * Defensives: N/A
 * Saudis (defense)
 * Total: 69.72
 * Troops: 50,000 - 50
 * Equipment: 1.25
 * Support: 1
 * Morale: 1.25 (less than enemy score, monarchist, limited conscription, defense of homeland)
 * Experience, 0.85
 * Defensives: 1.05
 * Result: Nejd is heroically taken (more than twice defense score)
 * Riyadh Campaign (1926)
 * Hashemites (attack)
 * Total: 122.34
 * Troops: 20,000 Syrian + 20,000 Persian + 3,000 Turkish + 500 Iraqi - 43.5
 * Equipment: 1.25 (bolt-action rifles, no mechanization or motorization, horses)
 * Support: 1.2 (moderate aerial support, minimal artillery support)
 * Morale: 1.25 (monarchist, greater than enemy score, volunteer)
 * Experience: 1.5 (veteran officer core, basic training)
 * Defensives: N/A
 * Saudis (defense)
 * Total: 46.12
 * Troops: 20,000 Saudis, 500 British - 20.5
 * Equipment: 1.25
 * Support: 1.1 (minimal aerial support)
 * Morale: 1.75 (defense of homeland, glorious last stand)
 * Experience, 0.85
 * Defensives: 1.1
 * Result: Riyadh is taken and the Saudi government is captured (more than twice defense score)

Second Polish Soviet War

 * Union of Federated Soviets (1927)
 * Total: 44
 * Population: 10
 * Industry: 7
 * Technology: 4
 * Government: 3
 * War Eagerness: 5
 * War Weariness: 5
 * Readiness: 5
 * Fronts: 5
 * War Progress: 0
 * Polish Republic (1925)
 * Total: 30
 * Population: 3
 * Industry: 4
 * Technology: 3
 * Government: 5
 * War Eagerness: 5
 * War Weariness: 2
 * Readiness: 3
 * Fronts: 5
 * Battle for the Lithuanian Border (1925)
 * Red Army
 * Total: 1055.7
 * Troops: 200,000 Red Army Soldiers 200
 * Equipment: 1.8 (bolt-action rifles .25, regimental radio .35, Partially Motorized .20 )
 * Support: 1.5 (Massive Artillery support .30, Minimal Armor Support .10, Minimal Aerial .10)
 * Morale: 1.15 (Greater than enemy .05, Volunteer only .10,
 * Experience: 1.70 (experienced officers .20, experienced non coms, .30 Extensive training .20)
 * Defensives: N/A
 * Polish Army
 * Total: 516.628
 * Troops: 200,000 +200
 * Equipment: 1.35 (bolt-action rifles, no mechanization or motorization, scarce Radio .10)
 * Support: 1.25  (light Artillery .05, minimal armor .10 minimal aerial .10
 * Morale: 1.00, ( less warscore -.05, Limited Conscription .05
 * Experience: 1.5 (experienced NCOs and officers but reservists)
 * Defensives: 0
 * Result: The Polish Army is beaten soundly in Lithuania and driven back into Poland

Operation Seljuk

 * Turkey (1929)
 * Total: 36
 * Population: 3
 * Industry: 4
 * Technology: 4
 * Government: 5
 * War Eagerness: 5
 * War Weariness: 5
 * Readiness: 5
 * Fronts: 5
 * War Progress
 * Kingdom of Kurdistan (1929)
 * Total: 13
 * Population: 0
 * Industry: 2
 * Technology: 1
 * Government: 3
 * War Eagerness: 5
 * War Weariness: 2
 * Readiness: -5
 * Fronts: 5
 * War Progress
 * Battle of Mosul (1929)
 * Turks (attacker)
 * Total: 251.0156
 * Troops: 50,000 - 50
 * Equipment: 1.75 (bolt-action rifles, some mechanization or motorization, horses)
 * Support: 1.35 (moderate artilary, minimal air and armor support)
 * Morale: 1.25 (democratic, greater than enemy score, volunteer)
 * Experience: 1.7 (veteran officer core, basic training)
 * Defensives: N/A
 * Kurds (defense)
 * Total: 12.21
 * Troops: 10,000 - 10
 * Equipment: 1.25 (bolt-action rifles, no mechanization or motorization, horses)
 * Support: 1
 * Morale: 1.15 (less than enemy score, monarchist, limited conscription)
 * Experience: 0.85 (green officers, basic training)
 * Defensives: N/A
 * Result: Mashallah, the Kurds are utterly scattered at Mosul. Turkish troops occupy the city and the Kurdish forces disintegrate into the Iraqi and Iranian wilderness.

Sino Soviet War

 * Union of Federated Soviets (1929)
 * Total: 44
 * Population: 10
 * Industry: 7
 * Technology: 4
 * Government: 3
 * War Eagerness: 5
 * War Weariness: 5
 * Readiness: 5
 * Fronts: 5
 * War Progress: 0
 * Republic of China (1929)
 * Total: 34
 * Population: 20
 * Industry: 2
 * Technology: 3
 * Government: 5
 * War Eagerness: 5
 * War Weariness: -5
 * Readiness: -1
 * Fronts: 5

Battle for the Sinkiang Panhandle (1929)

 * Red Army (defending)
 * Total: 722.925
 * Troops: 150,000 Red Army Soldiers 150
 * Equipment: 1.8 (bolt-action rifles .25, regimental radio .35, Partially Motorized .20 )
 * Support: 1.5 (Massive Artillery support .30, Moderate Armor Support .15, Minimal Aerial .10)
 * Morale: 1.15 (Greater than enemy .05, Volunteer only .10,
 * Experience: 1.70 (experienced officers .20, experienced non coms, .30 Extensive training .20)
 * Defensives: 1.05 (light entrenchment)
 * Chinese Army
 * Total: 563.5
 * Troops: 350,000
 * Equipment: 1.00 (china has pretty much nothing for this)
 * Support: 1.15  (light Artillery .05, minimal armor .10
 * Morale: 1.00, ( less warscore -.05, Limited Conscription .05
 * Experience: .4 (untrained no modern academy, -.5, Untrained NCOs -.1, Basic Training
 * Defensives: 0 (they are attacking to meet me in Sinkiang after my initial unchallenged advance)
 * Result: The Chinese offensive into Sinkiang leads to a general rout of the Chinese army (128%)

Battle for the Sinkiang Panhandle (1925)

 * Red Army (defending)
 * Total: 722.925
 * Troops: 150,000 Red Army Soldiers 150
 * Equipment: 1.8 (bolt-action rifles .25, regimental radio .35, Partially Motorized .20 )
 * Support: 1.5 (Massive Artillery support .30, Moderate Armor Support .15, Minimal Aerial .10)
 * Morale: 1.15 (Greater than enemy .05, Volunteer only .10,
 * Experience: 1.70 (experienced officers .20, experienced non coms, .30 Extensive training .20)
 * Defensives: 1.05 (light entrenchment)
 * Chinese Army
 * Total: 563.5
 * Troops: 350,000
 * Equipment: 1.00 (china has pretty much nothing for this)
 * Support: 1.15  (light Artillery .05, minimal armor .10
 * Morale: 1.00, ( less warscore -.05, Limited Conscription .05
 * Experience: .4 (untrained no modern academy, -.5, Untrained NCOs -.1, Basic Training
 * Defensives: 0 (they are attacking to meet me in Sinkiang after my initial unchallenged advance)
 * Result: The Chinese offensive into Inner Mongolia also leads to a general rout of the Chinese army 128%

Discussion
A few things to point out here: Troop number for China should be higher. China fielded more than 2 million against Japan OTL a few years later, and the Central Plains War of 1930 alone saw 1 million get mobilized (and that was between warlords, before China was fully unified as it is in this map game), and the KMT itself mobilized 1 million for the Northern Expedition in 1928. Also, the experience makes no sense, China has been fighting in a civil war and has experience from that as well as several military academies and military schools, which it has been developing since the early 1920s (not sure what "no military academy" means when I have been talking about developing these in almost every turn, including the famous Whampoa Military Academy), and the training program for all troops based on the Japanese one was initiated several years ago so most of the active duty troops would have undergone it by now. Also, morale should be higher as China is fighting a defense of its homeland and the Chinese people are long aware of foreign aggression against their country precisely like this, so morale should be high. Same for equipment, I've been producing bolt-action rifles, artillery, and other equipment for years now as well as buying large quantities from other countries. Knight of Malta (talk) 14:27, July 13, 2018 (UTC) It seems strange to me that the Soviet Union, which has also had a civil war like China but unlike China has been under great economic sanctions from the West and in economic hardship for several years, is then able to deploy a large Red Army to the even less developed Far East that is somehow significantly higher in quality than a unified Chinese army, even though China has unified and has spent the past 5-6 years developing its economy, military, and all fields, also with the help of foreign powers (while the Soviets have been struggling to develop and fighting with Poland), then beat this numerically superior Chinese army on their own soil closer to the coastal Chinese provinces that are China's main economic hub and supply source, far from the Soviets' own major centers of supply and economic activity while occupying a population of millions of Chinese that are mostly hostile to them. Sorry but I don't see how that is plausible. Also, would the Red Army at this stage be really that much more advanced in equipment and tactics than China? Like I said, Russia has been having economic hardships while China has had an economic boom and has been building new weapons/equipment, including communications and railways, organizing effective staff administration and logistics since 1925, and also has a similar level of combat experience after years of civil war in 1911-1925. Most officers and NCOs have also undergone training from either Japanese or other foreign instructors abroad, while many military schools have been established throughout the country since the early 1920s (arguably even earlier since the Qing had taken measures to establish provincial military schools as far back as the late 19th century with the help of German, French, and British officers). Sure, that is not to say that the NRA is perfect or that there aren't issues that still are being worked on, but overall China's advantages in this situation seem like they greatly outweigh the problems while the Soviets have excessively stretched the limits of their believable capability. Knight of Malta (talk) 16:10, July 13, 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree, this algo needs to be redone. Cybermats, created by the Cybermen, they kill by feeding off Brainwaves 15:31, July 13, 2018 (UTC)

Moreover, the Soviets would be hundreds of kilometers away from even the Trans Siberian Railway when they enter Mongolia and China, making supply even more difficult through the rural, undeveloped and backwards 1920s Outer and Inner Mongolia or the mountains and forests of Manchuria, while the transportation network on the Chinese side of the region is much more developed and is far closer to the most populated parts of China. Knight of Malta (talk) 16:33, July 13, 2018 (UTC)

Ok I'm still contacting mods to re examine the algo, but for now China can field an additional 500,000 troops beyond the limit I gave on the game page, at the cost that those troops would have less equipment quality, due to China's limited ability to properly arm such a large number of people Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess  16:39, July 13, 2018 (UTC)

Okay so im going to take a minute here and say, im pretty sure the Soviets are the main reason the North Eastern Army was able to act and field the number of troops it did. The Soviets provided training, equipment, and advisors as well as signing an agreement that the ROC would be forced to work with the communists as well. As a direct result of this following the Northeastern expedition the ROC and Communists had a falling out which caused the OTL Chinese Civil war in the first place.

As we get into experience.. no, the Republic of china especially the nationalists was a corrupt party with corrupt methods and massive issues in army experience. These chinese academies you speak of were negligible and taught relatively outdated tactics that did not hold up in a modern state of war. If you War college is teaching tactics 60 years old against a nation that has been at constant war and claiming victory after victory after victory in the middle of a decently industrialized state (which china is not and cannot be until it either goes crash course rough industrialization or actually manages to hire advisors and mechanists, and experienced factory managers which is what i have been doing since game start. And that is only to Modernize and expand my industry) China has no modern experience as of late. It is a factionalized mess that hasnt been fully centralized or federalized yet as no real developments in trying to embrace republicanism have truly been made, and on top of all that, the Chinese Communist party is nowhere near destroyed and would probably jump at the chance to support a Soviet Invasion and turn on the ROC. As we get into troop strength, lets just look at the amount of equipment provided to China in WW2 that allowed them to field such a large army. That was the fact the Chinese were fighting against an enemy that more or less wished to Exterminate them or treat them as sub-human. The Chinese bought, were given, or tried to copy (which most chinese copies were awful ive fired a few and they just dont hold up the same as the Czech and Russian or Belgian guns they were provided) to arm their troops and produced rather bad armaments on their own to field into the war. As much as china "fought" the war, China effectively bought time with land, and the blood of its people. Sources to the contrary do not exist as if this was not the case the Chinese would not have lost upwards of 50 million people. (Academics debate the numbers but its somewhere between 50 and 80 million but some go as low as 15-16 million). That is not an insignificant amount of manpower killed during the war.

Now for the cherry on top, This player and colgan himself have done next to no research on China and are assuming because its "ATL" that china can just magically build factories and develop planes, build tanks, and then also take a huge hit by the Depression and then turn around to field over a million men with essentially next to no equipment. The Soviets have been fighting with anywhere from 1.5-5 million men for the better part of a decade. China has been floundering with a horrid military academia, an unindustrialized economy. He also has barely had control of the bulk of china for a few years, has made no attempt to fight factionalization, expunge the communists in any meaningful way, or even import modern military equipment besides ships and aircraft (which universally in this time period are absolute garbage). He has sort of a navy but that doesnt matter when fighting me. If anything my invasion should have sparked a massive communist uprising by the Chinese Communist party to help me not unify china in any meaningful way

As i know between me and NK who are resident experts of WW2 and the pacific machinations, we know full well what the chinese can or cannot do as well as their potential for industrialization essentially being handicapped until they get rid of the nine power/unequal treaties which made china effectively unable to industrialize heavily until WW2 and Mao. Without the overturning of these treaties and massive investment or effectively fascism or communism that throws off all of the foreign powers (which is unlikely without a massive civil war) China is effectively done for a bit. Ill also point out that due to recent treaties with Japan the Japanese more or less control the chinese economy....

Feudy McPlagueface (talk)

It seems as if you have not even read most of my past turns and are making assumptions as if things occurred mostly as they have in OTL. Most of what you addressed I have taken measures for, which you would know if you read my turns. First off, the United Front's numerical strength came from the KMT, the communists decided to join with the KMT primarily to take advantage of that. The CPC had far smaller numbers than the KMT in the 1920s. In this game I have also implemented measures to deal with corruption around the same time the unification happened. The Soviet aid was effectively replaced with Japanese aid that I requested from him in the mid-1920s when a unified state was created, roughly around the same time as China received Soviet aid OTL. The military was helped and trained by Japanese advisors in the same modern tactics that the Japanese Army uses, with its training program based on the IJA model, and I have had this program in place for several years now. Also not sure where you got "develop planes" (although China did have a small air force in the 1920s and throughout WW2) or "build tanks" because I have done neither of those. I asked the UK to buy some aircraft for the first time in 1929. Again, its as if you have not read any of my turns.

China has come under the control of a unified government earlier in this game than in OTL and has been industrializing in this game since the mid-1920s, with the aid of foreign companies and experts and has been opening factories throughout the country. Japan isn't the only country either, China has also been encouraging investment from European and American companies (as there was in OTL). Either way, there has been investment and foreign expertise that has been put to use in building factories in China. Even in OTL China's industry did see growth and was expanding since the 1911 revolution, China actually had a higher rate of industrial output growth than the Soviet Union did during that time. In the early 1930s, after the Northern Expedition and the Central Plains War, China began to have significant expansion of industrialization but as in this timeline the KMT became the dominant government earlier this would have happened earlier as well. The fact that I unified earlier has only given me more time to develop the economy. I have in fact been importing military equipment, including rifles, artillery, and ammunition from Germany since I asked them for equipment years ago (again, as if you aren't even reading my turns). You brought up WW2, but like I said the KMT and the warlords fielded more than a million troops in their regional conflicts alone in worse conditions than China is in right now ATL.

Moreover I have been implementing government reforms, including to deal with corruption and more effectively centralize government power and the military organization, for several years now. Industrialization has been under way earlier, the Communists are not a significant force at this stage either in OTL or in this game (especially since the KMT succeeded without allying them here), and I have been taking measures to improve the training, equipment, and organization of the military for years. Knight of Malta (talk) 01:24, July 14, 2018 (UTC)

You have unified china for a grand total of a few years... Russia has been a semi industrialized state since the 1880's to the the opening of WW1. Our industries are not comparable in any way shape or form yet. You would need more than the 4 or so years as the Unified state of China to make significant progress. Also i believe in one of the turns the Japanese even mentioned they had not begun to help your development yet. Effective Industrialization takes Decades not mere years. The Industrial process of Stalins Five year plans while ultimately good was still arguably worse than what could have happened under the NEPs which is what im undertaking with massive support on multiple fronts. The Embargo by the US as was mentioned was on technological and mechanical which i have very easily found, bought, and applied via proxies around the embargo, communist sympathisers, and finally leveraging the chaos in neighboring european states to buy what i need and apply it or begin reverse engineering it.. You are also misreading the fact that as of 1929 the investments have literally ALL DRIED UP. With the Great Depression you literally are out of foreign money for your factories, and you lack technical expertise to continue operation and building of more sophisticated factories. China would now be industrializing the old fashioned way. Trial and Error and starting with what it could still reliably use.. You need upwards of 10-20 years to change China if you do it right. Trying to industrialize and fight a war against your technological and Industrial Greaters does not equate to that. China as you hold has been unified since 1925. There is literally no chance in absolute hell you have addressed every corruption, every economic imbalance, every unequal treaty, and every single soldier and man woman and child in a nation of 500 million in 4 years. The Algo is approved as is by Steph and Nate and i even ALLOWED the influx of 500,000 troops split between both fronts to fight and you still lost. Accept my treaty as is and learn you cannot change the economic potential of a barely unified china in such a short time. This is end of story.

Feudy McPlagueface (talk)

China in fact saw an expansion in its industrialization in the early 1930s, AFTER 1929, in OTL, and I have been developing with foreign assistance since 1925. Of course its far from complete but neither is it in the same state that it was in OTL at this time. Japan later changed their statement regarding development. I never claimed to have made it into a perfect utopian state the way you described, but I am saying that I have begun addressing many of the problems you brought up and have made significant progress. You still have not taken more effective training, national defense for morale or better equipment into account in the algo. Knight of Malta (talk) 01:53, July 14, 2018 (UTC)

Becuase you do not have more effective training if you bum rush me with 500,000 conscripts, you do not have national defense for morale this is purely a political squabble over borders that you made a problem, and you do not have the equipment to arm your entire army with modern bolt actions. Sorry but Even Japan your Benefactor who i have spoken with has told me he has not sold you that kind of equipment. If you really want to piss me off we can add the 250,000 strong army i brought that is fresh off the Liberation of Lithuania. You are outclassed by the Soviets Currently. You have not fully modernized and standardized your army to these effects in 4 years. Feudy McPlagueface (talk)

No, so far all of the troops I have deployed were the active standing army, which was kept at 1.5 million men since 1925 (as I said in my turns). I was going to mobilize conscripts in addition to that. China has bought bolt action rifles from Germany and it has actually been producing its own bolt action rifles OTL since the Qing era and throughout the early republican period. Political squabbles? You've occupied large Chinese territories with a majority Chinese population and have behaved in the same way as the Western empires did to China. The Chinese populace can see that, the May Fourth Movement and the nationalism that inspired in 1919 happened for far less than the taking of a large Chinese territory. It's also a bit hard to believe that rural undeveloped Mongolia can logistically host 250,000 troops. Sure some units still lack that equipment, but the majority of the army has been equipped with these. Knight of Malta (talk) 02:36, July 14, 2018 (UTC)

Okay this is still a no. even if you are fielding that many men, your looking at a primarily infantry force with minimal artillery support and a total lack of standarization which means your logisitics just got more complicated. A Force that reeks of personal loyalties (which you have in no way purged in 4 years) rather than institutional loyalties. and the army will have poor cohesion on top of this. Also Germany is a defeated state and was disarmed and generally disbarred from major arms sales like your talking. No way you fully outfitted 1.5 million troops with modern bolt actions. And then if you did you mixing German, French, Russian, Japanese, British and god knows how many other different sets of equipment. Also just like you have been doing. i have also been building quite a bit cant ignore the fact ive been fully vested in the far east since the civil war ended essentially which means im pushing almost a decade of solid development and expansion of the logistical and supply base of the region including the fact railways would logically be used to pull resources from Sinkiang and Mongolia into the Amur and Vladivostok indstrial zones developing. So no the majority of your army is using either outdated or mismatched equipment, lacks loyalty, cohesion, and for a good matter at hand a significant part of your territory would still be under administration of the warlords you subjugated or better yet another one appointed to take his place.

Anyways Ive got all this cleared through and Through algo wise, and on top of this Japan has called for Mediation. Feudy McPlagueface (talk)

Indochina War

 * Empire of Japan (1929):
 * Total: 32
 * Population 5
 * Industry 7
 * Technology 4
 * Government 3
 * War Eagerness 5
 * War Weariness 5
 * Readiness 3
 * Fronts 0
 * War Progress
 * French Commune
 * Total: 33
 * Population 5
 * Industry 7
 * Technology 5
 * Government 3
 * War Eagerness 5
 * War Weariness 5
 * Readiness 3
 * Fronts 0
 * War Progress
 * Indochinese rebels (Japanese ally)
 * Total: 29
 * Population 1
 * Industry 0
 * Technology 2
 * Government 3
 * War Eagerness 10
 * War Weariness 5
 * Readiness 3
 * Fronts 5
 * War Progress

Amphibious invasion of the Mekong Delta: Amphibious Invasion of the Red River Delta: Result: French forces collapse in the face of overwhelming Japanese forces. The French government in indochina capitulates.
 * Empire of Japan:
 * Total:79.38
 * Troops: 25,000
 * Equipment:1.80 (modern bolt ation, regimental radio,partially motorized)
 * Support:1.40(moderate artillery, moderate aerial, full naval support)
 * Morale:1.20 (fascist, limited conscription, warrior code, naval invasion)
 * Experience:1.05 (Green officers, Green non coms, proffessional army (extensive training))
 * French Commune
 * Total: 25.07
 * Troops: 5,000
 * Equipment:1.65
 * Support: 1.3
 * Morale: 1.25
 * Experience: 1.7
 * Defensives: 1.10
 * Result: The Chinese offensive into Inner Mongolia also leads to a general rout of the Chinese army (299%)
 * Empire of Japan:
 * Total:79.38
 * Troops: 25,000
 * Equipment:1.80 (modern bolt ation, regimental radio,partially motorized)
 * Support:1.40(moderate artillery, moderate aerial, full naval support)
 * Morale:1.20 (fascist, limited conscription, warrior code, naval invasion)
 * Experience:1.05 (Green officers, Green non coms, proffessional army (extensive training))
 * French Commune
 * Total: 25.07
 * Troops: 5,000
 * Equipment:1.65
 * Support: 1.3
 * Morale: 1.25
 * Experience: 1.7
 * Defensives: 1.10

National War Score

 * United Kingdom: 47
 * Population: 20
 * Industry: 10
 * Technology: 5
 * Government: 5
 * War Eagerness: 5
 * War Weariness: -2
 * Readiness: -1
 * Fronts: 5
 * War Progress
 * France: 18
 * Population: 10
 * Industry: 7
 * Technology: 5
 * Government: -1
 * War Eagerness: 5
 * War Weariness: -2
 * Readiness: -1
 * Fronts: -5
 * War Progress

British landing at Algiers
Dependent on whethey they resist or not Person67 (talk) 11:42, July 13, 2018 (UTC)
 * United Kingdom: 126.72
 * Troops: 25
 * Equipment:1.80 (modern bolt ation, regimental radio,partially motorized)
 * Support: 1.6 (full artillery support, full armour support, full naval support and minimal aerial support)
 * Morale: 1.1 (Double the national war score, democratic, volunteer and naval)
 * Experience: 1.6 (Experienced officers, veteran non- coms and extensive training army)
 * France: 37.62
 * Troops: 15
 * Equipment:1.6 (modern bolt ation and regimental radio)
 * Support: 1.1 (moderate armour support)
 * Morale: 0.95 (half the enemy national war score, communist and mandatory service)
 * Experience: 1.5 (Veteran officers, veteran non- coms and extensive training army)

National War Score

 * United Kingdom: 38
 * Population: 20
 * Industry: 10
 * Technology: 5
 * Government: 5
 * War Eagerness: 5
 * War Weariness: -2
 * Readiness: -1
 * Fronts: -5
 * War Progress: 1
 * France: -5
 * Population: 10
 * Industry: 7
 * Technology: 5
 * Government: -1
 * War Eagerness: -5
 * War Weariness: -2
 * Readiness: -1
 * Fronts: -5
 * War Progress: -10

British siezure of Dakar

 * United Kingdom/ Canada: 33.6
 * Troops: 10
 * Equipment:1.6 (modern bolt ation, regimental radio,partially motorized)
 * Support: 1.2 (moderate artillery support and moderate naval support)
 * Morale: 1.4 (Double the national war score, democratic, volunteer)
 * Experience: 1.25 (Veteran officers, green non- coms and extensive training army)
 * France: 19.95
 * Troops: 10
 * Equipment:1.6 (modern bolt ation and regimental radio)
 * Support: 1.05 (minimal artillery support)
 * Morale: 0.95 (half the enemy national war score, communist and mandatory service)
 * Experience: 1.25 (Veteran officers, green non- coms and extensive training army)

British siezure of Conakry

 * United Kingdom: 33.6
 * Troops: 10
 * Equipment:1.6 (modern bolt ation, regimental radio,partially motorized)
 * Support: 1.2 (moderate artillery support and moderate naval support)
 * Morale: 1.4 (Double the national war score, democratic, volunteer)
 * Experience: 1.25 (Veteran officers, green non- coms and extensive training army)
 * France: 19.95
 * Troops: 10
 * Equipment:1.6 (modern bolt ation and regimental radio)
 * Support: 1.05 (minimal artillery support)
 * Morale: 0.95 (half the enemy national war score, communist and mandatory service)
 * Experience: 1.25 (Veteran officers, green non- coms and extensive training army

British siezure of Abidjan
Person67 (talk) 20:38, July 15, 2018 (UTC)
 * United Kingdom/ Indians/ East Africans: 33.6
 * Troops: 10
 * Equipment:1.6 (modern bolt ation, regimental radio,partially motorized)
 * Support: 1.2 (moderate artillery support and moderate naval support)
 * Morale: 1.4 (Double the national war score, democratic, volunteer)
 * Experience: 1.25 (Veteran officers, green non- coms and extensive training army)
 * France: 19.95
 * Troops: 10
 * Equipment:1.6 (modern bolt ation and regimental radio)
 * Support: 1.05 (minimal artillery support)
 * Morale: 0.95 (half the enemy national war score, communist and mandatory service)
 * Experience: 1.25 (Veteran officers, green non- coms and extensive training army)

1931

National war score

 * United Kingdom: 36
 * Population: 20
 * Industry: 10
 * Technology: 5
 * Government: 5
 * War Eagerness: 5
 * War Weariness: -2
 * Readiness: -1
 * Fronts: -5
 * War Progress: -1
 * France: -7
 * Population: 10
 * Industry: 7
 * Technology: 5
 * Government: -1
 * War Eagerness: -5
 * War Weariness: -2
 * Readiness: -1
 * Fronts: -5
 * War Progress: -12

Fighting on Corsica

 * United Kingdom/ French republic: 235.872
 * Troops: 45
 * Equipment:1.8 (modern bolt ation, regimental radio,partially motorized)
 * Support: 1.3 (moderate artillery support, minimal armour and moderate naval support)
 * Morale: 1.4 (Double the national war score, democratic, volunteer)
 * Experience: 1.6 (Expereinced officers, veteran non- coms and extensive training army)
 * France: 39.9
 * Troops: 20
 * Equipment:1.6 (modern bolt ation and regimental radio)
 * Support: 1.05 (minimal artillery support)
 * Morale: 0.95 (half the enemy national war score, communist and mandatory service)
 * Experience: 1.25 (Veteran officers, green non- coms and extensive training army)

Faud's War on Communism

 * Egypt (1930)
 * Total: 12
 * Population: 3
 * Industry: 0
 * Technology: 1
 * Government: 1
 * War Eagerness:-2
 * War Weariness: 2
 * Readiness: 2
 * Fronts: 5
 * War Progress
 * Libya (Defending)
 * Total: 26
 * Population: 0
 * Industry: 0
 * Technology: 1
 * Government: 5
 * War Eagerness: 5
 * War Weariness: 5
 * Readiness: 5
 * Fronts: 5
 * War Progress
 * Italy (Defending)
 * Total: 40
 * Population: 3
 * Industry: 7
 * Technology: 5
 * Government: 5
 * War Eagerness: 5
 * War Weariness: 5
 * Readiness: 5
 * Fronts: 5
 * War Progress
 * Battle of Tobruk (1930)
 * Egypt (Attacker)
 * Total: 138.56
 * Troops: 80,000 - 80
 * Equipment: Equipment: 1.65 (modern bolt-action rifles, no mechanization, partial motorization, scarce radio)
 * Support: 1.3 (full artillery support, minimal aerial)
 * Morale: 0.95 (More than 2x nat'l war score, limited conscription, monarch.)
 * Experience: 0.85 (Green officers and NCOs, basic training)
 * Defensives:
 * Italy and Libya
 * Total: 157.09
 * Troops: 20,000 - 20
 * Equipment: Equipment: 1.35 (bolt-action rifles, no mechanization or motorization, motorcycle-lvl communications)
 * Support: 1.3 (Full artillery support, minimal aerial)
 * Morale: 1.55 (Nat'l war score double that of Egypt's, Commie defense, limited conscription, defense of homeland)
 * Experience: 1.05 (Veteran officers, green NCOs, basic training)
 * Defensives:1.1
 * Result: 113% victory for the Italians, stopping the Egyptian invasion and putting them slightly back.

Discussion
Hold up, The Algo is wacky on Egyptian equipment. (we've bought weaponry from the US) mostly modern bolt action rifles and 10 planes. -SheikhSultan

Fixed the equipment -Nate

Dollfuss' Fascist Coup

 * Austrian Fascists (1930)
 * Total: 28
 * Population: 0
 * Industry: 7
 * Technology: 5
 * Government: 3
 * War Eagerness: 5
 * War Weariness: -2
 * Readiness: 5
 * Fronts: 5
 * War Progress
 * Austria (Defending)
 * Total: 33
 * Population: 0
 * Industry: 7
 * Technology: 5
 * Government: 1
 * War Eagerness: 5
 * War Weariness: 5
 * Readiness: 5
 * Fronts: 5
 * War Progress
 * Italy (Defending)
 * Total: 40
 * Population: 3
 * Industry: 7
 * Technology: 5
 * Government: 5
 * War Eagerness: 5
 * War Weariness: 5
 * Readiness: 5
 * Fronts: 5
 * War Progress
 * Battle of Vienna (1930)
 * Austrian Fascists (Attacker)
 * Total: 2.9
 * Troops: 2,000 - 2 (Figure provided by Nate)
 * Equipment: Equipment: 1.65 (modern bolt-action rifles, no mechanization, partial motorization, scarce radio)
 * Support: 1.3 (minimal artillery support)
 * Morale: 0.8 (More than 1/2 nat'l war score, volunteer, fascist, encircled, defense of homeland.)
 * Experience: 0.85 (Green officers and NCOs, basic training)
 * Defensives:
 * Italy and Austria
 * Total: 34.91
 * Troops: 10,000 - 20
 * Equipment: Equipment: 1.65 (modern bolt-action rifles, no mechanization, partial motorization, scarce radio)
 * Support: 1.3 (Full artillery support, minimal aerial, naval)
 * Morale: 1.55 (Nat'l war score double that of the Austrian fascists', Commie defense, limited conscription, defense of homeland)
 * Experience: 1.05 (Veteran officers, veteran NCOs, professional army)
 * Defensives:1.1
 * Result: Crushing Communist victory.