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But that doesn't make much sense, if they were loyal to the Qing. Unless they did some sort of injustice to the Ma family, than they'd have little reason overthrowing the Qing.

Could Yuan Shikai be one of the people organizing the Imperialists? He did have powerful positions-Viceroy of Zhili, Beiyang Commander, and after the Revolution he attempted to revert the Republic back into an Empire.

By federalists I mean an attempt by warlords to form a federalist government, like in ToNE. I think it would collapse very quickly, though.

I'm not sure what I was thinking there. The Ma would probably be in Ningxia and Xinjiang would probably be ruled by Sheng Shicai, or a Soviet puppet, which he was, was he not?