User talk:Das Taub

Correct titles
Hey Taub,

if you create new pages for the "Heute Europe" TL, don't forget to append " (Heute Europa)" to the title everytime.--Max Sinister 08:35, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Danke Das Taub

Silver Shirts
Instead of starting a new timeline based on this, you could instead contribute to a similar one already started: http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Mosley%27s_Britain. This is of course strictly up to you.--Marcpasquin 14:35, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

The page on the Silver Shirts is an addtition to the 'Heute Europa' timeline. sorry forgot to label it correctly. Das Taub

Heute Europa
Would it not be feasible after the 1957 hydrogen bomb test for the USA to absorb North and South America to represent a third superpower in ATL?

Downfall
You know the way after the US falls and Germany and Japan turn on each other, could that result in their downfall?

First Contact
how do you think a first contact scenario in Heute Europa, Morgen... would play out? Let me know. Buk5 18:16, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

thanks
Thanks for your help in Hitler is an American. Maybe you and I can co-operate on the battles and outcome of Second World War (Hitler is an American---Version 1) etc. Buk5 11:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
Hello,

I just noticed that someone deleted my whole "Invasion of Czechoslovakia" page. As you noticed that and undid his actions, I must thank you for your support. If you need any help with anything, contact me. - Realismadder 23:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Morgen Argentine
I was touching a little argentina, first and (The) Second latin america war, of course U can cancel delete or clear everyting i was do, but i feel is good in that way. Is a Honor collaborate, aniway sorry for my engliah --Fero 02:39, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Nein
Hello, i created that AltHis, i feel is a good and not used idea, is open to your (and everybody) colaboration. it say '''"In 1921 promising German theoretical physicist Albert Einstein dies in his first visit to the USA. He never makes contact with Ernest Rutherford or Leó Szilárd and the Manhattan Project never born. A world without useful atomic energy or Nuclear Bomb, a world without the Person of the Century."  a ending WW2 W/o nagasaki and hiroshima, a cold war w/o nuclear develovmen or a hot war, a energy real and early problem w/o nuclear energy and reactors, a world were france or UK are simil power like Spain because any nation have atomic power, a world without Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD), enjoy us and add your ideas, we will have fun, dont worry This is an open timeline''' yes, i was push that messeng in some other authors, but... i am searching the betters an let her know that, and bro U R military historian from sunny New Zealand, i wish some of that and i help U, U help me --Fero 06:07, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Operation Herkules
Your "Operation Herkules" timeline has been nominated for deletion because it hardly contains any actual content, if you are still interested in writing this AltHist you are given four weeks time to let us know and to start writing on, otherwise it will be deleted.--Max Sinister 15:09, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

maybe U need that in world war 3, and the plague--Fero 08:06, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Atlantic Iron Curtain
tell my, PIF in there is some soviet puppet? Map (Atlantic Iron Curtain), if not, please colored PIF countries in other color, green sound good to my --Fero 05:52, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Operation European Freedom
Thanks for the help in Operation European Freedom. Maybe you and i could work on Kornilovshina. 08:27, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Aztec Empire
Could ya help me on Aztec Empire? Let me know. Buk5 19:40, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

strangely it was me who created Aztec Empire, back when i first joined the wiki. i soon abandoned it to focus on my WWII scenarios, but i would be happy to provide some aid on my old work. Das Taub 23:20, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Black Cross, Red Sun
Thanks for tiding up the map. I think considering the particular ideology and the extreme nature of the scenario that there should be political differences between White and non-White pro-nazi states in Southern Africa and Argentina. Brazil and India should be the remaining pro-American countries each to be wiped out by Japan and Argentina. And The neutral Rocky state can't have all that fertile prairie land, under this scenario Japan gets a bigger portion of the continent doesn't it? Great that you began these series--Geopundit84 09:01, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Black cross, Red sun is a pet project for me. it is designed to be the ultimate dystopia, a horror world, based on the books 'The Ultimate Solution' and 'The Man in the High Castle'. i am glad to have aid working on it, as between all the WWII projects I work on, it does leave me little time to work on each induvidual scenario. Das Taub 19:37, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

It is in fact a horror dystopia. I've got the read "The Man in the High Castle" urgently. Thanks for the opportunity to develop your project, I'll try to add content taking more care to be consistent with your originl scenarios. --Geopundit84 19:42, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Multilateral cold war
About that|, i was thinking of something along the lines of Harry Turtledove's "ready for the fatherland"(which i hope to read sometime), where there is a stalemate in WW2 leading to a very different cold war.

Do you think that's a good idea? Let me know. Buk5 19:47, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

realism
About Black Cross, Red Sun, i have to say Resistance: Fall of Man and S.M. Stirling's the Draka series are more realistic. As you Said, it would be D-Day 1946 that is most likely, or is it a case of the ultimate worst case scenario?

BTW, what is the POD for Fire and Ice, so i could provide some help for it? Let me know. Buk5 16:29, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Black Cross, Red Sun is the Ultra Ultimate Worst Case Scenario, the sort that people could only have nightmares of. it is the evil harsh 'Boot in the Face of Man' type of scenario. it is even worse then Heute Europa.

Fire and Ice has the POD that Gorbachev is assasinated while adressing the Politburo. Hard Line Communists take power, and a Conventional WWIII Breaks out in the early 1990s. the Timeline will focus on WWIII, and the battles and campaigns that take place. Das Taub 23:27, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

By the Way, have you played Resistance Fall of Man?

And could you help on Multilateral cold war? Let me know. Buk5 19:43, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Kornilovshina
Das Taub, could you help me in Kornilovshina? Let me know. Buk5 20:11, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

one thing I have noticed is the fact that canadians seem to be only a northern extension of the US a lot. Most canadians mistrust the US, and there is not a lot of friendship between them. Canada has always been a refuge for Americans who don't want to be in America. escaped slaves, and draft dodgers have all used Canada as a refuge at one time or another. if Canada was invaded and annexed by the americans, there would be bombings and uprisings, as Canada prefers the king/gueen to the president. i have met many canadians, and they have all told me this in one way or another. Das Taub 21:31, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

well, since the USA was at war with Britain ATL, perhaps then they may take their chance. But i will involve the idea of a significant insurgency like OEF's Germany. Buk5 21:33, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Anyway, i was looking for help on the alternate ww2, with it involving THREE sides rather than 2. Could you help? Let me know. Buk5 21:38, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

thanks. Maybe we could work on Kornilovshina together.

Btw, about the Hitler Worship bit in BCRS, that was meant to show the dystopian feel, since Hitler was once a candidate for the antichrist's identity

Might i suggest a few other areas as well:

1. Canada should be partitioned as well, logically.

2. There should be German territories in the Pacific which would cause an ATL Cuban Missile crisis.

3. Both should collapse, since they would suffer a thousand cuts of perpetual resistance and overstretch.

. Well, i apologize if that is not what you wanted. 21:30, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

P. 1000 Ratte
Das Taub, a history Question. About the "Ratte" tank, would it have been mass produced by the time of "operation Boadicea"? Let me know. Buk5 17:07, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

The P. 1000, if it had been mass produced, wouldn't have done much. if mass production had started in 1946, there would probably be only 12 made, and none of them would have got to England. how would they have got it there? it would have been to heavy to ship for anything smaller than an aircraft carrier. each one would have cost the same as several hundred regular panzers, and needed shipyards to build them. Hitler's megalomania would probably have had only 3 or so made before he cancelled the building, finally listening to reason (and sanity). several P.1500 Monster guns may also have been sent to France, to support the Atlantic wall. however either would have been vunerable to bomber aircraft, especialy ones with FAE munitions. Das Taub 22:04, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Broken Ice
here's something you might be interested in. Buk5 20:55, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Heute Europa
Das Taub, would it be fair to compare the ATL axis with the Draka (Sm Stirling) or the Chimera (Resistance fall of man)? Buk5 18:48, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Heute Europa is not quite as dystopic as either the Draka or resistance. both can be accurately described as 'hellholes' with man destroyewd or subjugated. maybe Black Cross Red Sun would be similar, but not Heute Europa. Das Taub 19:52, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

So you have played Resistance Fall of Man then? Buk5 20:08, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Not Much of a player. i am one of the generation that grew up with the casset player, and still can't get my head around these new fangled inventions. i read about the Alternate History Games, to give me ideas sometimes. BTW, there is little about the Japanese empire in the Heute Europa Timeline, which seems strange when they are one of the superpowers. Das Taub 20:12, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Maybe i could help with that. So, do you think the Japanese would exploit the "vast ocean of slave labour" as turtledove would put it, or go the way of the Nazis and exterminate them all?

I have also been contributing to Broken Ice. Perhaps you could chip in as well. Buk5 20:16, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

i would agree with Turtledove. the Japanese would be brutal overlords, but they didn't have the racial views the Nazi's had. their empire would be hard, but the more moderate of the two. Das Taub 20:22, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

well, sorry for any of the hassle that i initially gave you several months ago. Buk5 20:24, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

About Japan in Heute Europa, Was Thailand not an ally of it? If so, shouldn't it get its piece of the pie (albeit with a puppet king). Buk5 21:02, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Black Cross Red Sun
Das Taub, here are several ideas for this totally Draka idea:

1. Canada be partitioned as well

2. Germany and Japan collapse under their own weight in years (they would spread themselves so far thin that they would collapse faster than a house of cards)

One final thing, about the Fuhrer worship bit, that was from the book of revelation in the bible (the tribulation segment is even more dystopian than 1984 or The Ultimate Solution), so why did you not like it? let me know Buk5 12:21, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Black Cross Red Sun
Das Taub, here are several ideas for this totally Draka idea:

1. Canada be partitioned as well

2. Germany and Japan collapse under their own weight in years (they would spread themselves so far thin that they would collapse faster than a house of cards)

One final thing, about the Fuhrer worship bit, that was from the book of revelation in the bible (the tribulation segment is even more dystopian than 1984 or The Ultimate Solution), so why did you not like it? let me know. Buk5 12:22, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Hitler was by nature an atheist, and so he would not have people worship himself. he more likely would have religion 'Unofficially' Discoraged. as for Canada, if it turned Nazi, than hitler would not let it be partitioned. Das Taub 20:49, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

About Thailand, shouldn't it get its slice of the cake and retain some autonomy, since it was in the axis (albeit a minor player)? I have noticed that in HEM and BCRS Thailand is annexed into Japan when it was an ally of Japan. Buk5 20:55, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Thailand would recieve the Shan States in northern Burma, and pieces of Vietnam and Cambodia. the dictator Pibulsonggram (better known as Phibun), was an ardent japanese ally Das Taub 20:59, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Operation European Freedom
Das Taub, about the Cold war, would you say the Soviets would reach to Latin America, South East Asia and Africa instead of Europe ATL? Buk5 21:05, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

I would agree. with europe closed, the soviets would divert their recources to othe rtheatres. the fact that the Soviet Union has no nations to hold down might mean it will survive the cold war. however the war with china will certainly hurt. China will take years to recover, and never reach the economic level it enjoys OTL. Das Taub 21:14, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Overstretch
Many times I've heard that empires cannot stand, as the overstretchment of their resources means they collapse under their own weight. if this is true, than the British Empire would have collapsed long before it ruled 1/5 of the globe, the Roman Empire would have gone by the time of Nero, and the many other empires would have also fallen long before they did. with so many examples, why is it that the common theory is that no empire can stand? Das Taub 21:22, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

No barbarossa
I was wondering would you like to contribute to No Barbarossa Red guy ~2 16:22, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Ready for the Mother Country
Das Taub, i found an article called Ready for the Mother Country, which i expanded which revolves around Prince Alexei escaping the Bolshevik prison and guiding the White army to victory. But other than that, what were the chances of a White victory in the Russian Civil War? Buk5 21:27, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I have talked with a colleague who specializes in the Russian Revolution, and this is what he said would need to happen to lead the whites to victory in the Russian revolution

1: there would need to be greater Co-ordination between the various white armies. OTL they were very un-cooperative and thus were defeated one by one individually, and they never worked together to take objectives or defeat red armies.

2: Leon Trotsky was a brilliant military leader and organizer, who more than any other created and led the red army to victory. Without him the red army would have been nowhere near as effective on the battlefield.

3: There would need to be greater Allied intervention by the United States and the British Empire. They secured Murmansk and Sevastopol, and supplied white armies for a time, including the Famous ‘Czech Legion’ (White Russia would be a Strong Ally for Czechoslovakia for the help the Czech Legion Gave in the Civil War, and this could lead to war in 1938 over the Annexation Of Czechoslovakia by Nazi Germany)

I hope this helps Das Taub 03:07, 1 December 2008 (UTC)



Not One Step Back
Das Taub, i have been working on Not One Step Back, where the Germans win at Stalingrad. Since you're the WW2 expert, could you tell me the grave implications of this dire scenario? Buk5 19:08, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Had Stalingrad collapsed, than the German plan to cut off the Caucauses would probably have succeeded. one possible outcome is that Turkey might have joined the Axis (diplomatic means to have it join were most prevailant around this time) this on it's own wouldn't have probably knocked the USSR out of the war, but the loss of oil would have severly affected it's war machine, and disadents in the Kremlin (Probably led by Lavrenty Beria, chief of the NKVD) would probably get rid of Stalin and sign a peace Treaty with hitler. the war would have ended in late 43 if this scenario is followed. Das Taub 20:32, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey, The TL's open to collaboration if you are willing to help. Or would it have lead to something like Unternehmen Seelowe 1941, with multiple scenarios? Buk5 20:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I think thats not a bad idea as it could end with a german world war 2 victory,a more bloody allied victory or the soviets collapse and America needs to defeat germany alone.

It would probably end with the allies winning but with the allies occupying Germany and poland.A better world i the log run if this were to happen.

End Result. Munich hit by a Nuclear weapon in early 1946. Poland, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia are freed, as are the Baltic Republics. Soviet Union collapses 40 years early, becomes Byelorussia, Ukraine ETC. China becomes only Major Communist Country, funds Korean And Vietnam wars. Muslim Fundamentalism appears earlier. (No Russia to support them in the wars against Israel) Das Taub 21:02, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

That's it done now, all i need to do is amend the description and that's me. BTW, here's a link. Tell me what you think. Buk5 21:17, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

BTW, Das Taub, Black Cross, Stars and Stripes is available as well. Perhaps we could collaborate on it. Buk5 21:36, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Citizens! All hail the Workers Utopia!
what are the chances of the Soviets beating most of europe in the early twenties provided there are small communist revolutions.

Tet Disaster
Das Taub, i am working on Tet Disaster, a scenario where the Tet offensive was regarded as a US victory. I was wondering, what would the ramifications of this be? Buk5 22:47, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Tet was a Disaster for the VC, who lost vast amounts of troops, and never again were as effective. it was the media footage, and the media coverage, that convinced the US public to abandon Vietnam. by this time the war was as good as lost, though nobody knew it. one way the war could have been won is if the Americans had Invaded North Vietnam. with it's army in the south, and invasion of the north would have easily sucseeded. --Das Taub 23:22, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Public opinion is vital for the success or failure of any modern conflict. A present example is the tactic used by the Taliban. They know that by large civilian casualties and large casualties among Coalition forces, the public opinion will go against the war, eventually leading to demands of withdrawing from it completely. That is why they have increased attacks on Coalition forces and hiding among civilians in order to create massive civilian casualties by air strikes targeting militants. In North Vietnam, they had the military strength to defeat North Vietnam, but public opinion against the war and tactics by the NVA and Vietcong went against the U.S. - Realismadder 23:35, 10 December 2008 (UTC)