User talk:Tessitore



Berlin 2010

Hi, did you see the logo I create for the Europa games in Berlin, see it in the talk page, also I was thinking that maybe the Nordic Union will boycott the games by no going and showing the flag of Oslo/Norway at the end demostrating that the 2012 games will be in Oslo. VENEZUELA 21:24, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Tessitore? VENEZUELA 21:48, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm here. I've just had a look at the logo and it looks okay to me. I agree that the Nordic Union would probably boycott the games given their 'anti-Prussia' stance, in fact it occured to me before I even started writing the page.Tessitore 22:04, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Borders
Its all good. The Celtic Alliance is a diplomatic nation, not an imperialist one, so Lancaster will remain free. You have, with my blessing, the full support of the Celtic Alliance for Lancaster. Arstarpool 22:11, August 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks but that's not exactly what I meant. What I meant was, I know that the CA controls Liverpool, but I don't know how much of the surrounding area they control, which is something I need to consider when deciding on where Lancaster's southern border will be. So, how far from Liverpool does the Alliance's control end?Tessitore 00:52, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Lancaster
Honestly, the only thing I added was the nation-box. Anything else that looks like adding was actually removing excess spaces.

Lordganon 17:25, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Just copy the file name and put it in the appropriate blank. You can have a look at other articles too, if a guide is needed.

Lordganon 19:15, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. I get that result when trying it myself. Must be something with the template that is being used.

Lordganon 11:54, September 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I've just found out that anyone can graduate articles, so i've graduated Duchy of Lancaster for you (i'm sure its in the rules somewhere that you can't graduate your own work, otherwise Owen would have loads of stuff on here!), you'll have to add your name and flag to the world countries profile and anything else you can think of, and congrats on the article it's loooking good :)--Smoggy80 16:55, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Celtic Alliance and Lancaster
Go for it. Arstarpool 04:42, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

ok
understood--Owen1983 15:11, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Europa Games
Yes the Celtic Alliance as well as Tuscany and the will all be participating. Arstar [talk] 23:57, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

East Lancashire
Wouldn't fallout drifting over the Penines from bombed cities such as Bradford and leads be a problem --Owen1983 18:00, October 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not really. I checked on Ground Zero II and the bulk of the fallout was well away from Lancashire.Tessitore 20:45, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Flax
I noticed you asking Essex if they had any flax to spare... That is also one of Woodbridge's major products as the economy of that state is agriculture based and they are alway looking for new markets... Verence71 19:46, October 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * And Lancaster would be interested in buying. Hmm, is it just me or are the various survivours states specializing in particular areas? Cleveland has heavy industry, the OBN nations have agriculture, and Lancaster has textiles (it also has a lot of ports for it's size, but I'm still trying to work out how best to take full advantage of that). Since trade negotiations are under way, is there anything that Woodbridge would want to import from Lancaster? After all, if a ship is going to be making the trip, it makes sense for it to be carrying cargo both ways.Tessitore 20:59, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * What does Lancaster produce apart from Textiles?? Verence71 08:41, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Excluding stuff that you probably wouldn't be interested in (ie food stuffs), there's coal, wool, and biodiesel. There's also a train works and at the more random end of the scale, hats (I reasoned that given the ozone situation in TTL, hats would make a big comeback and that someone would take it upon themselves to meet demand).Tessitore 11:01, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Having thought about it textiles would probably be quite useful in the making of new military and police uniforms Verence71 17:15, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep. Come to think of it, that was probably why the few mills that hadn't been taken apart by 1983 were brought back online in the first place. In my head Lancaster's military was rather unprofessionally scruffy for a while. Linen isn't the best fabric for that sort of thing though, Lancaster uses a combination of wool and nettle cloth.Tessitore 20:33, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Having thought about it textiles would probably be quite useful in the making of new military and police uniforms Verence71 17:15, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep. Come to think of it, that was probably why the few mills that hadn't been taken apart by 1983 were brought back online in the first place. In my head Lancaster's military was rather unprofessionally scruffy for a while. Linen isn't the best fabric for that sort of thing though, Lancaster uses a combination of wool and nettle cloth.Tessitore 20:33, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Anglo-Saxon reasons
You might be interested in this:

The Second Heptarchy 19:48, October 4, 2010 (UTC)Verence71

Already seen it. Thanks anyway though.Tessitore 20:37, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

It was the first AH I ever wrote way back when I was at Uni :) Verence71 20:43, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Just to let everyone know
i don't know if you are all aware of the page Owen has set up Provincial United Kingdom (1983: Doomsday) i don't know what you want to do with it? i can think of a few things!--Smoggy80 18:00, October 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm just regarding it as the latest installment of Owen's unintentional comedy routine.Tessitore 20:41, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

To keep you upto date Owens been barred AGAIN either he'll learn this time or mitro's gonna ban him totally--Smoggy80 18:36, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

He deserves to be kicked off the wiki forever. That's all I've got to say. Either he is a troll who takes pleasure in being weird or he is just mentally unstable like Catherine was. Arstar 18:46, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

first contact and other stuff
Yeah it would make sense to send troops to help both during the 2009 floods and Scottish military movements in late 2010, both Cleveland and Northumbria sent troops but once the Scots gave no intention of invading north Rheged the majority of the troops were withdrawn. So Lancaster could do similarly, or a couple of hundred could remain to help Cleveland train the Rheged militia?

As you wrote the 'first contact' scenario first i'll change the Cleveland page to match yours--Smoggy80 09:58, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Liverpool
First of all, by opening negotiations do you mean the Celts and Lancaster or you and me?

My suggestion is that nobody is going to re-claim it. It's just going to sit there for now and settlers/colonists from Birkenhead can resettle it as well as Lancastarians. Mjdoch's vision of how radiation would affect cities is much less than it would be.

My official statement "as" the Celtic Alliance is that the city is beginning to be independently reinhabited by both sides (only in the most extreme outskirts) and a referendum will be held in 2015 to see who will officially control the colony.

Thoughts? Arstar 02:02, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

Just to let you know if the Celts ever do try to take Merseyside by force (by evicting the Lancastrians), the miltary of Cleveland, Northumbria and the Rheged Militia will back Lancaster --Smoggy80 17:49, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

Which is why they're Lancaster's favorite 'siblings'. I don't know about you, but I can't help but see the northern four as a rather close knit family. If one gets in trouble, the others come running.Tessitore 19:51, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

Pretty much every piece of land they have now joined optionally, so why would they take Merseyside by force?

Tess like I said before nobody is officially going to incorporate it. If individuals or companies wish to go scavenging for materials for now than that's fine for now but eventually if colonists are going to start coming in than we'll have to hold a referedum sometime soon. Arstar 05:50, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

Indeed than it is no-mans land. But when do you think the first groups of refugees/colonists are going to return to Liverpool? Arstar 21:53, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

Advice
It all depends on whether you want to keep it purely a heritary line or if you want you could have an elected Duke?

So you could go - fully elected or even have the current holder recommend a successor or have the title pass down the current holders familial line, but then you've got the problem of primogenitor, do you go for the eldest surviving male or just elder child (male or female?) that is if any survived DD.

I would recommend for ease that the current holder recommends someone to take over on his death (or abdication due to ill health), that way you dont have to find surviving children, then in the future look to set up full elections maybe two or three years after the death or abdication of the current holder.

hope that helps--Smoggy80 10:55, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

There are currently three nations in OTL that have a form of elective monarchy, Malysia, Cambodia and The Vatican City and the old kingdoms of Ireland operated a system know as tanistry so there is a precedent for making the Duchy of Lancaster an elective "monarchy" Verence71 12:11, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Archeology
I dont think either would have been found at present. The Roman helmet was discovered by a metal detectorist (the tech was very rare and primative in 1983) and the Street House site was found using ariel photography and Geophysics (neither of which would be being used as Geophysics hadn't been developed in 1983 and there are very few flying planes and helicopters in Cleveland, and they are all military)--Smoggy80 18:11, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Soft Drinks
Hi, I just read your addition to the "Food" page about soft drinks. I am a bit confused why you might say that "soft drinks" would be "technically a luxury" in a post-apocalyptic world. This is especially the case when the soft drinks to which you make reference are not the carbonated drinks that had become synonymous with "soft drink" in our day (at least in North America). A beverage is considered "soft" if it is non-alcoholic (called "hard"). Another term we use for that is "soda" (after the carbonated water made by added sodium carbonate). This process was in use going back to the 1880's when carbonated water was added to sweet syrups at drug stores (first by Coca Cola, I believe).

The processing plants run by the multinational companies would have continued make Coke, and Pepsi, and numerous others. An early article on this wiki even has Cuban explorers finding the secret formula for Coca Cola and making it Cuba's own.

Having brought that up, I am going to have to attempt to clear up the time line on that discovery by Cuban explorers. I am assuming thriving city where Mitro has an abandoned one (but the time line has the said discovery in Atlanta, not Americus). I don't think it would have been that late.

Well, gotta go. Thanks again for your contribution. SouthWriter 15:48, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

Moorland management
I didn't think i would ever be using this part of my job for this site! so here goes, there are two main reasons for moorland, sheep and fire. In September the majority of the hill sheep would still be on the moors they're usually only brought down in mid October on the low hills (Yorkshire Dales, Peak District), but in places like the North York Moors and the Cumbrian Fells the breeds are so hardy they would've been left up there apart from in really severe weather.

The main reason that the moors are actually heather moors and not woods is the fact that the sheep eat all the seedling trees that start growing, the majority of sheep would survive for many years after DD, the problem you've got is the majority of herds are female only, however in September they would already be pregnant so the herds would continue for years (the sheep on Soay and St Kilda survived for decades after the people left).

The other management technique used is burning (particularly on grouse moors) this is controlled, but fires break out regularly from lightning strikes so i would guess that natural burning would continue for decades.

So really, even after nearly 30 years the moors would look similar to todays landscape, i would imagine less sheep than now and therefore more trees (but they would be stunted due to browsing and wind damage from the exposed positions they would be growing in) hope that helps--Smoggy80 10:49, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

Rheged
I'm thinking of splitting Rheged in the new year along the lines of the old counties of Westmorland and Cumberland (as i can't think of any way of evolving the area into it's own country), I was thinking using a trade dispute between north and south to cause the divisions, anyway, one idea I have is to have Westmorland (and the part of Cumbria (Furness) that was historically part of Lancashire) to ask to join Lancaster as one country. I'm also going to have Cumberland to join with Northumbria. What do you think?--Smoggy80 17:46, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering if Lancaster would be able to send some troops into south Rheged if the Deputy Procurator asks them to come? it's just that my plans are that:


 * The south of Rheged (old Westmorland and Furness) will declare themselves seperate from the north sometime in Feb, calling themselves the Westmorland and Furness Alliance (WFA).
 * The remaining north Rheged will send the militia troops that Cleveland trained from the Scottish border to try and retake the area.
 * The WFA will ask for militrary assistance from Lancaster. The Lancaster troops will drive off the Rheged militia easily.
 * The WFA will ask to join Lancaster as a single county in late 2011.

Does that sound ok to you?--Smoggy80 12:14, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Just to keep you updated with the changes to Rheged, the Townships and surrounding Parishes of Kendal, Ulverston, Windermere, Coniston, Ambleside, Appleby, Kirby Stephen and Egremont have all ceded from the Rheged Co-Operative to become the Southern Rheged Co-Operative, but that name will change next week to the Westmorland and Furness Alliance (WFA). I'll let you know when they do.

I'm also changing the military part of the plan and make it peaceful, mainly because Rheged isn't really a country per se, but a group of indepentant townships. I'm now planning for the WFA to ask to join Lancaster sometime during the summer as they'll have lost access to the Rheged ports of Whitehaven, Workington and Maryport (Due to heavy taxation brought into effect in March by the North Rheged Co-Opertive)

still sound ok?--Smoggy80 13:32, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

I was wondering when would be the best time for the WFA to join Lancaster and how it would happen? would it be best to make them a protectorate for a while, then have a referendum or simple majority vote to join Lancaster (each township would have to vote independantly) at the end of this year? what do you think? sound about right?--Smoggy80 18:30, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Trains

Yeah sounds like a good idea, Clevelands trains only run occasionally, so a more local service may be a good idea. Particularly a good service with a smaller train than the peppercorns would be useful to the Rheged economy.--Smoggy80 13:53, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

Westmorland and Furness Alliance
The WFA would like to start a trade agreement with Lancaster and by mid July ask to become a protectorate of Lancaster with a referndum to join Lancaster as one country in early 2012, that sound ok?--Smoggy80 11:08, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

Also I should add that Keswick, Penrith and Whitehaven have also joined the WFA, so the towns that are part of the WFA are:


 * Keswick
 * Penrith
 * Appleby
 * Whitehaven
 * Ambleside
 * Kendal
 * Windermere
 * Ulverston
 * Kirby Stephen
 * Egremont
 * Coniston

--Smoggy80 11:12, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

well I was thinking as the major export of the area is sheep, and everything to do with sheep like wool, ewe's milk and cheese, and roofing slate, is there anything that Lancaster makes that WFA would need?--Smoggy80 14:26, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, so coal, coal tar, carbolic soap, alcohol (particulary beer) into WFA, and roofing slate out and maybe the opportunity for WFA wool to be made into cloth or clothing in Lancaster and traded back to the WFA or other nations. Sound ok?--Smoggy80 15:47, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

Now that Rheged has become part of the Kingdom of Northumbria, i've also added that the WFA has decided to stop using the Cleveland Pound and will start using the Lancastrian Pound from the end of March, will the WFA becoming a protectorate of Lancaster in July still ok?--Smoggy80 17:46, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

The WFA would like to become a protectorate of Lancaster sometime this year, any idea when would be best?--Smoggy80 15:58, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

Possible breadbasket
Yes the WFA has expansive farmland both lowland arable and lots of hill farms for lamb, as well as a possible fishing fleet based at Whitehaven--Smoggy80 17:15, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Lancastrian territorial claims
Just updating the ol'map. Just give a rough map of Lancaster's territorial claims, and what it controls, maybe a sphere of influence and I'll incorporate it in. Mumby 18:08, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

The meaning of "Protectorate"
It really depends who you ask:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protectorate Verence71 11:06, May 3, 2011 (UTC)