User talk:EzraNYC



New York?
Your username inclines me to believe that you are a New Yorker, like myself! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:34, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Yes I am! Born and (mostly) raised! EzraNYC 23:39, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

PM help
Well first things first, is you should start posting and try to play every day by updating what Berlin is doing, but do follow the rules. If you get confused with some of the rules feel free to ask, and I'll help smooth things out for ya.

As for Berlin, it is the grey nation in east Germany which borders the blue-coloured French-backed state of the United German States, the light blue-coloured Russian puppet/vassal (can't remember which) of Poland and to the south is Czechland and some other NPC. Basically its called Berlin, simply because that's the capital.

Also it is in grey because it is currently an NPC (non-player country), but once you start posting for Berlin after a few turns it'll be given a colour on the map. The colours represent player nations, and you'll get your own once you've posted for a few turns, this is a way of making sure your committed to the game.

As for what to do, firstly have fun, secondly rule your country in a manner befitting of your vision for it. For example, do you see your nation being a trading nation setting up colonies? Or an expansionist state, trying to unify Germany? You can "grow" your nation in any way you like, have a look at some of the posts of other players to get a feel of this.

As for the current state of Berlin, its in a 3 horse race to dominate Germany. You have the French-backed UGS, Austria, and yourself, Berlin. Russia is friendly towards Berlin, but Denmark invaded a few years back but this was a mod event though when the nation was NPC so don't take it out on the player, maybe try to get them to return the territory they took.

If I was in control of Berlin, I'd ally myself with Russia and Austria and invade the UGS, and divide it between yourself and Austria. I would also consider invading the grey nations to the south of you, or maybe vassalizing them. I would also make sure to amp up the military every turn, so your ready for war as German reunification could well lead to a massive world war.

Hope this helps, and feel free to ask me for anything else VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 23:36, May 23, 2012 (UTC).

Thanks!!! That helped a ton! EzraNYC 23:42, May 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem, do bare in mind that not everyone checks their watchlist so post back on people's talk pages to make sure they get the message. I however check my watchlist regularly so you probably won't have to with me :P VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 23:50, May 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Noted :) EzraNYC 23:59, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

For starters my apologies, I should of mentioned that when I said I would try to re-unify Germany, I meant after a good few many years of amping up my military and building solid alliances. You might want to have a look at the war algorithm we use in PM to dictate how wars are resolved. For example if you amp up your military in a turn you get an extra point. Do this for 15 years & build up alliances, and also try vassalizing those states to the south of you for more allies in the war against the UGS. As it stands the UGS has a lot of allies because of France, and you need to prepare very well if you want to win. What I tend to do with wars is to make the algorithm so I can work out if I'd win or not, if I was to declare war. If I would win the war (with the desired outcome), if not I build up my points tally until I can get what I want from the war VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:15, May 27, 2012 (UTC).

Thanks for the advice. By the way, what are those 2 states below me called? EzraNYC 01:01, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

The larger one is Czechland, and the smaller one is Breslau. Also rather than annex them into Berlin properly, I suggest vassalizing them or making them puppet states. That way you have more allies to help you in the war against the UGS. Also try to be a bit for vague with your posts, that way it makes it harder for the enemy to guess what your next move is, and so you can catch them off guard! VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 11:41, May 27, 2012 (UTC) Either through war & you topple the government with a high enough algorithm score, or through diplomacy and use the random number generator (RNG) to decide if the country in question allows Berlin to vassalize them. I recommend the RNG for Breslau as its a German state, and you could even enter a dynastic union with Breslau if you have the royal families of Berlin & Breslau getting married. You can do this for Czechland too, but because they are Czech and not German, the vassalization of Czechland rather than personal union seems more plausible. Just use some propaganda saying the UGS is going to invade and take all your power away, then use the RNG to decide if the country agrees to Berlin's proposals or not. E.g. ''Berlin warns Breslau about the growing power of the UGS and uses propaganda to make it seem invasion & annexation by the UGS is imanent. Berlin proposes a dynastic union of Berlin and Breslau to form the German Empire. The king of Breslau agrees (RNG 1-5 yes, 6-10 no, got 3 so yes) and the nations of Berlin and Breslau join in a personal union forming the German Empire.''

You can obviously do this in what ever style you want, like you don't have to form the German Empire. Heck maybe form a German Commonwealth of states, and get Neue Brandenburg to join it, as well as Austria, Breslau, and other German nations. That would echo the former Anglo-German Commonwealth state which got destroyed so it would be a nice touch. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 14:15, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Wales is a small nation, and we were wondering if -together- our nations attack Norway and Wales gets a sizable portion closest to Britain, while Berlin get the rest. Also we are wondering about the feasibility of attacking France. Wales really wants the French areas of Brittany, and Belgium. I understand that none of the lands can be taken until we sufficiently size our militaries, but I think that an alliance of this magnitude could benefit both of our nations, and give us a more secure foothold in mainland Europe. Andr3w777 18:20, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

That sounds like a good plan. Wales looks forward to a mutually beneficial partnership. Andr3w777 19:04, May 27, 2012 (UTC)



This is my Idea so far... Andr3w777 19:08, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

With a third party military base in Wales I am hoping to limit the appeal of an invasion of my lands. Also I am attempting to sign a nonaggression treaty with Vietnam, Britain's owner. Andr3w777 19:48, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Russia has said NOT to attack France, they state that Denmark is fair game as well as any Vietnamese territory. Russia states also that it would like a portion of southern Scandinavia for their support. I motion that we focus on Denmark right now then worry about the Vietnamese issue. Andr3w777 20:12, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Yes Denmark is a go. We will launch a coordinated strike tonight. Andr3w777 20:14, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Is it possible for the invasion to begin around 7 or 8 pm CST or about 01:00:00 a.m. Monday May 28, 2012 in '''UTC? Andr3w777 21:41, May 27, 2012 (UTC)'''

I accept, after looking at the algorithm I will only be able to send supplies and some troops to Denmark, however with you and Russia's help I think I can seize a good chunk of Britain which will give me enough manpower to aid you in Denmark. Andr3w777 23:32, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry my internet went out, yes I will i'm just trying to be careful. also the page still doesn't show the new turn Andr3w777 00:15, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Denmark wants to talk to you btw's they have an alliance proposition for both our nations. I haven't responded yet.

just started new year. also my internet is flaking out so if I don't move it isn't my fault. Andr3w777 00:27, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Are you available? The Denmark question needs to be solved. If he accepts then I will have a unified force to help me against Britain. Logistically I could attack Denmark with you, but it would be a lot easier on the both of us if we leave him be and accept his alliance proposal. Vietnam is my real worry so I'm trying to be careful, I NEED BRITAIN and will try anything to protect my nation's sovereignty. Vietnam is a world threat and most be dealt with. Andr3w777 01:29, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

You need any more mods? Andr3w777 15:19, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

I am so sorry about this disaster in PM I was trying to protect myself and my interests, I really wish they had given you the peninsula. I am grateful you'll let me stay neutral in all this. Also thanks for allowing me on No WWI, I think I can get Scraw to do some maps for us. Andr3w777 19:04, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Ezra, the war against Denmark really makes no sense... Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:10, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

A: Why? B: You're gonna lose. C: War's not the way to get it. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:16, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

A: You'll lose support if you don't tell your allies why they're fighting so hard. B: It's Denmark, Wales, most of Finland's puppets and vassals, and possibly the UGS against your forces. Also we could possibly gather the enemies you've picked up over the years. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:25, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Have  YOU  checked PM? Or my talk page? Wales agreed to an alliance because Denmark promised help and aid if Vietnam invaded Wales. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:34, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Let me explain how retarded you're being and how poorly you're interpreting the game:

A: Denmark allied with you last turn and now you're invading. What the hell?

To quote France:

"If Berlin invades Denmark, then I'll have to intervene, as it's too near my country and it will affect the whole Europe in crisis. Really, the last very year Berlin and Denmark were allies,a s far as I know, and now you are invading Denmark? In the middle of a crisis? I would be glad if you think on this and decide to not go to war"

Meaning: France  WILL  invade if you attack Denmark.

Secondly, Wales said this: No matter what has happened in the game, and I know what happened in the  whole  game, not just what's happening this turn.
 * "Wales asks that you please reconsider your position. Both our nations are small and a war of this magnitude could ruin the world economy even more than what has happened already. Do you want to collapse? Because that is what will happen. Wales will grant economic aid as the nation was not hit as hard as the rest of Europe if you'll simply BACK DOWN!"

Everyone knows this war is foolish, even for "reasons that you do not wish to disclose." You'll collaps and be overrun by your enemies, as will Austria, for getting involved.

Anyways, I do not wish to argu with you any more since you do not wish to accept the truth.

Goodbye, Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:53, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Peace
We're having an actual war between players. I've seen the long Northern War "saga" between Scandinator (Sweden) and LxCaucassus (Russia), which actually became a struggle between the two players, but I haven't seen anything like this.

Now, I think you're confused about three things, so I'll try to clarify all of these so you tell me if I'm wrong:

Let's analize the political situation in Europe by this time in Principia Moderni: The world is in an economical crisis due to the economcial colapse of Neue Brandenburg, the unestable situation of Germany, the massive miccronationalist rebellions around the world, etc... Now, I think the first thing you're confused about is you situation, the diplomatical sistuation of Berlin with Denmark.

The last year, 1912, Berlin was planning an invasion on the Unites States of Germany, a vassal of France, AKA me. At the same time, Denmark was afraid of a russian invasion, as we know Russia has an historical obsession to overthrow scandinavian governments and seize scandinavian lands. What do they both do? Denmark promises Berlin to support it in case of war with the USG. I don't know why, but it seems like Berlin was who was planning on invade Denmark to seize territory, with russian support. Am I confused? Then, as you saw that the war was only bbringing chaos to Berlin, you signed a non-agression pact with me.

Now, the second thing you're confused about is the current situation. You asked Denmark to give you the peninsula, that is basically the same as ask OTL Great Britain to give you the main islands, including London, and keep North Ireland and the colonies. Europe is in crisis, but in peace, an armed peace, I'd say.

The third matter is that you seem to think that you're only going to war with Denmark and not to anyone else. That's te biggest mistake you could make. No war has been between two single countries for centuries. You're allied with Austria. This means Austria sides with you. Wales is allied with both, but wants peace, and you started the war, this means, it's siding with Denmark. Finland is an ally of Denmark, and I think also Wales, so yes, Finland, and its enormous colonial empire, composed for many vassals and puppets, are siding with Denmark. I just signed a non-agression pact with you and you think you're safe, but I just allied with Denmark and Wales, and I'm the oldest ally of Finland. This wouldn't be the first time I brake a treaty for my own interests. I rembember that, when France was a monarchy and the Northern Wars thing was still on, I had a royal marriage between a french prince and a russian tsarevich, but then I see my oldest ally, Sweden, which I was in a dyastic union with, going to war with Russia for their eternal rivality and anger for territory. What did I do? I sided with Sweden, virtually destroying Russia, taking a half of its colonial empire for me and my allies and braking the possibility of peace in the world. Why did I do it? Because I wanted territory, and I wanted to be still an ally of Sweden and its sphere of influence. Do you really think I wouldn't breake a pact I signed the last year, to avoid a war I would win, to avoid an economical crisis I'm passing thourgh to get harder?

If this war starts, the whole Europe is going to become a battlefield, and, I ensure you, I will seriously try to convince the rest of my allies to not take any territory from you when you loose, but, do you think they'll listen to me? The economcial crisis will become even harder to go through. I propose you a way out of this:

I call it "peace". You sign the treaty of german cooperation I jsut proposed you. Then you, Austria, Denmark and me are going to be allies and the defender of central Europe. And when the USG gets tired from the french government controlling them, they're joining you, and you virtually control all of Germany. It doesn't worth a war, specially one you'll loose. --Galaguerra1 21:55, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Without WWI I've tried to get scraw to map make but I don't think that will happen. I'm gonna ask TacoCopper. If that doesn't work I may try it myself (if you've no objections) do you have any people you'd recommend? Andr3w777 22:00, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

It's all good,, since me and France are forming the European Council, I may be able to get him to back off Berlin, Its the least I can do to fix this mess. Andr3w777 23:31, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Ive started the first year off in No WWI Andr3w777 23:37, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for starting that page, I've written it like an official charter. All nations proposed on the list must review it then it will be voted on in turn 1914.

I know you cannot back off the war but can you settle for a little less than the whole peninsula? This war is a quagmire for all of Europe and it deeply concerns Wales because of conflicting alliances. This and other options will be talked about in London, as you and Denmark will be there. Andr3w777 02:46, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Why do you want the Danish homeland of the Danish peninsula? Its not German in the slightest! I'm sure you could settle this war if you just asked for Denmark's German territories. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 10:51, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

So Operation Red Dawn is the first Map Game I've made. Hope it turns out good. Can you go over the rules to ensure I've covered everything? Andr3w777 18:24, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Didn't have a choice, war with France would have doomed me you know that. What did you want me to do, sink my country? I am not the most powerful nation, I would be ripped apart by Britain and France. I apologize but I did not see a choice, there can still be peace, France gave you an offer to control almost all of Germany. I really can't do anything. I am Sorry Andr3w777 21:19, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

France and Britain are allies by extension of Vietnam, France made it abundantly clear that if I sided with you, my own borders would be threatened because Vietnam sees it as an act of war. Ergo my hands are tied. I thought that signing these alliances would AVOID war and protect Wales, at least until Wales was strong enough to fight then French. They would have INVADED if I broke that alliance. What could I do?? Andr3w777 21:28, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

I thought after you and Denmark accepted the EC idea that the war stopped. He said so, and besides it wasn't permanent you could war with him in the future, I just needed time to build my forces. As for the banning thing I did that to shut everyone up, I knew it wouldn't go anywhere. Andr3w777 21:33, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

GD IT!!! (God D***N IT) Why can't everyone just wait. I am sincerely trying to make this work for all parties myself included. I just don't know what to do!!! URGHH!!! Von Gluessenburg told me when I first joined that if your country was taken over, you could migrate to a new one. I Don't know how this will end but it might be a good idea to start looking. I'm sorry about the clusterFU&* if we make it through this I will not make this mistake again. I should have honored our original treaty. Andr3w777 21:43, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

???? What do you mean, look at our talk pages France clearly said they were!Andr3w777 21:44, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

France agrees that the war will only bring more economcial distability to Europe, and an alliance between both Wales and France is imperative. France has been an ally of Vietnam since I entered the game, with some moments of tense relations, specially since the war they both held in the XIX century. --Galaguerra1 17:17, May 28, 2012 (UTC) excerpted from my talk page!!!!!!!!!!!!! Andr3w777 21:45, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

I am more than a little confused!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Andr3w777 21:49, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Well what now?? I can't go back on myself, neither can you. we are SOLAndr3w777 21:55, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

I going to rename Wales Never Never land and allow marijuana Andr3w777 22:02, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

I removed rule # 8 you were right it was a little awkward. Do you know anybody who could join, I'd like to start the game after at least 13 people join. Andr3w777 23:17, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Austria can remain independent if you so choose. Can I assume you will meet the other European nations in Cardiff, Wales for the EC summit. Also I am influencing recently liberated Federal Republic of Ireland to be a part of the Pan Celtic Union, which will merge Ireland with Wales. Can I also assume your assistance with this? Andr3w777 01:49, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

since the war is a tie, can we just call it off and you accept Nippon's proposal, this war is causing more harm than good. Andr3w777 02:32, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

I understand. The point of a peace talk is to talk. I do however encourage and support Nippon's agreement except that I don't think Britain should become involved, that could become an issue for Wales in the future as Britain is perilously close to our borders. Andr3w777 12:08, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Helping (PM)
I might! :D Imperium Guy 12:09, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Welcome, I need to test my army!! :D Imperium Guy 12:14, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

After this war we will focus on rebuilding and restoring Europe- No matter the victor- Wales is preparing a potential invasions of Ireland and would love at the close of this war if we can put our differences behind us. Ireland is rightful UK territory so I am well within my rights to see them join Wales. Also I am having problems with Commies and that may cause issues is this war lingers Andr3w777 12:52, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

I have pitched in my support, you should see your score greater than the opposition!! :D Imperium Guy 13:57, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but because of the depression, this war wouldn't help my nation in nothing.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 16:03, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

I am sick of this D*MN war. I am so tempted to just say screw it and let everyone ruin each others lives. As for Russia they already declared neutrality earlier. I had conflicting alliances. Russia was smart and waited so they don't. I am so sick of this war. I wanted nothing but peace and I get a World Fu**iNG War!Andr3w777 18:25, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Um tell me, is siding with one ally, whom was senselessly attacked, backstabbing the other? I had to make a decision and I choose to aid Denmark, was that wrong? you say I betrayed you. Immediately I should have stayed neutral but I honestly believed that it was my duty to side with Denmark. I would have done the same if Berlin was invaded. In the real world an alliance is only honored if that nation was invaded not doing the invasion. Denmark was INVADED by my ally. If you were INVADED you better bet your A$$ that I'd side with you. It is only logical. Andr3w777 18:36, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

You know what? your right. The real reason why I backed out on you was because I learned who owned Denmark and was worried that by messing with him he'd screw me in several other games. I left you hanging, because of inexperience and stupidity. I am wrong, but I am also committed. I could have a communist revolution or something that would cause me to leave the war. You were my first ally and I should have honoured our agreement. I made a mistake. BTW France is okay with Nippon's proposal of Uniting Germany under your rule. May I ask why you have to have the bloody peninsula? Historically Germany owned the southern half and still does. The states name is Schleswig- Holstein. If you could settle for the historically Germany parts I'm sure he'd agree. Andr3w777 19:03, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but just to make sure that is still his stance, I have messaged him. You should be good though. Also since you will be a member of the EC the EC can vote to override any nation if he disagrees. In short you won the effing war. Congratz. Also Wales has announced that there is popular unrest going on in the major cities and there are riots over what the media calls "a corrupt and self-centrist government that would betray someone in a heart beat." The future of Wales may see it without a King. At least with a Republic they VOTE on war right? Andr3w777 19:20, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

No all you have to do is over the years say things like "Berlin allies themselves with ETC and ETC, announce that your sending diplomats to "talk" to their government. After a while if you've influenced them enough they'll agree to become vassals. For more help on the subject look it up in the PM rules under vassal. Andr3w777 19:27, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Right well I was looking at the algorithm for the Berlin- Danish War and was wondering how the heck it was done. I am not good at math at all. I was curious because I was thinking of invading NPC Norway or Ireland. My country is small and needs to expand. If I attack a NPC nation then there won't really be that much of a blow back especially since they are not in the EC. You know how to do that? Andr3w777 19:37, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

I understood everything but chance. Where is the edit count? and what does it means to divide it by the product of every non-zero digit in the UTC time that you invaded? Andr3w777 19:50, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

This?

Wales
location 2

Tactical advantage 2

Wales(L), Denmark(SM), Berlin (SM)

Puppet states 0

Motive 5

Expansion 0

Military Expansion 5

Chance 1


 * Edit count 356
 * time =1*9*5= 45
 * Chance=356/45*pi=24.84
 * Andr3w777 20:06, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

IDK Norway, its NPC so I don't know how your supposed to do that.Andr3w777 20:12, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Right, how would you do that with an NPC? Andr3w777 20:16, May 30, 2012 (UTC)