Vive La Revolution Reloaded! (Map Game)

Hello and welcome to Vive La Revolution Reloaded (or VRR) RWG and I decided to revive this game after the last one inexplicably died. Please be fair and remember to be plausible!

Rules
The word of the Mods is law, unless you can prove them conclusively wrong

Players can control one nation only

There will be an algorithm based on the one in Axis vs. Allies used for Player vs. Player wars

One turn per day when a mod starts the turn, only mods can start turns!

The game will start in 1789 during the French Revolution

Each turn will be a full year unless otherwise stated

PLEASE NO IMPLAUSIBILITY!

Look carefully for any map changes

Only mods/mapmakers can edit maps

Don't edit your turn AFTER you post

RNGs have to be done by mods

Have fun!

Mods
Sign up here and wait to have an (ACCEPTED) mark by your name

1: AwesomePeruvian 00:10, May 5, 2012 (UTC) Head Mod (Game Reviver)

2: RandomWriterGuy 23:15, May 7, 2012 (UTC)(Accepted)

3: Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:15, May 5, 2012 (UTC) (ACCEPTED)

4: Enclavehunter 00:29, May 5, 2012 (UTC) (ACCEPTED)

Mapmakers(Not Mods, but can if they already are)

1:AwesomePeruvian 16:52, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

2:Monster Pumpkin 16:39, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

3:DeanSims 16:57, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Map
{C Aztaln is the darker shade of Spains color but is part of the Spanish Commonwealth, so it has a united foreign policy with Spain but can control its own internal affairs.

Issues/Complaints
Not much of an issue, but when do you estimate we will start?

'''Can we get a map up here soon please? ~MP'''

'''Piedmont-Sardina is part of France, as is both sides of the Rhine, don't know if its on the map. Enclavehunter 07:32, May 19, 2012 (UTC)'''

'''Mecklenburg should have its own color, the U.S. should have Louisiana, and Aztlan/New Spain is too large, as some of its land is part of New Granada. Monster Pumpkin 21:35, May 21, 2012 (UTC)'''

'''WTF WHY ARE THERE CODIN PROBLEMS?! RandomWriterGuy 22:51, May 21, 2012 (UTC)'''

'''Louisiana should be American. Monster Pumpkin 19:59, May 22, 2012 (UTC)'''

Nations
Please no newbies may play as the following nations, we don't want to mess these games up. To play as these, you must: 1 Have played at least 4 map games 2 Have a good record on these map games

NO NEWBIES FOR:

Britain, France, Spain, Portugal, Russia, Prussia, China, and the USA

Europe
 Great Britain: AwesomePeruvian 00:10, May 5, 2012 (UTC)





'''Fun Fact 2: Me too! I always hold the Ottoman Empire!'''

Hooray for Fun Facts!

















Asia
The Ottoman Empire:  Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:15, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Qing Dynasty (China): Ianian58 01:16, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Japan: 

Siam: 77topaz 03:29, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

Persia:-

Mughal Empire: 'User:Nkbeeching' 

North America
The United States of America: Monster Pumpkin 01:14, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Viceroyalty of New Spain: DeanSims 19:31, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

South America
Viceroyalty of New Granada:

Viceroyalty of Brazil: http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User:Waroftheworld

Viceroyalty of Peru:

Viceroyalty of Rio de La Plata:

1789
The French Revolution is in full swing, France is thrown into chaos

Russia defeats the Turks at Rymnik.

Spain: Spain undergoes liberal reforms under its new king due to the influence of the French Revolution. The country establishes economic, social, and political reforms, turning the coutnry into a constitutional monarchy. The environment also allows capitalism, industries, and the economy to thrive. Improvements are made to the navy and the military. Infrastructure, education, and health are spread all across its empire. They allow their colonies to have a degree of self-rule.

France: French Revolutionaries storm the Brastille, an proud symbol of the King's power, and freed the prisoners there, adding to the ranks of the Revolutionary Army. Meanwhile, the King continues to send the military to suppress uprisings in peaceful states, causing the French army to be stretched then. In Corisca, Coriscian nationalists attempt to free their Island, but ally with the Revolutionaries after the leaders of the Revolutionary Army agree to give Corisca an autonomous province of France, in exchange for their help against the King.

Brandenburg:Brandenburg breaks off from prussia under the rulership of frederick the third, who is much beloved by the people calling itself the Mark of brandenburg. it names berlin as its capital, and keeps a watchful eye on prussia just in case it tries to force brandenburg back into prussia by force. under public pressure from the population the countries laws are fairly liberal allowing the people much freedom.

Prussian Response: It declares war on Brandenburg to ensure they remain back into the union.

'''Was that a mod response? Because there is no player next to Prussia.'''

DoM-S Diplomacy: The Duchy sends a small detachment to assist the brandenburgers and counter Prussian influence in the region.

Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin: The Duke, Frederick Francis, is worried by the revolutionary activities in France. Despite much opposition from his nobles, he opens a parliament. Whilst it has limited powers, it is elected by universal (male) sufferage. The military undergoes the first of many modernisations, with their out of date uniforms being replaced with modern ones: Shakos, green tunics with yellow lining, and new boots.

Quing Dynasty: Recent economic decline forces the dynasty to impose very harsh domestic messures in the east, and worried about recent lack of modernization in the military, and China as a whole, the emperor orders the creation of a group of researchers to investigate and research European Warships, Weaponry, and Cannons along with their other major cities. It refuses to open it's ports to any European nation. It thinks of expanding to other parts of the world, but decides a war would be too costly, farmers are unhappy about tough domestic stances.

Moghul Empire: Centrist moderates with the go ahead of the emperor's son slaughter most of the current ministers and the emperor in what is known as one of the cruelest massacres in the area with over 230 members of the previous government and countless nobles being assasinated, the moderates backed by a fair portion of the army mainly Hindus begin fighting against the ramnents of the old regime plunging the indian subcontinent into civil war.the government requests firearms and aid from the ottomans to deal with the cruel betrayal. while the moderates begin fighting along coastal areas to cut off supplies from the exterior.

Ottoman Empire: Ends the Russo-Turk War. Invades the Arabian Peninsula and takes 1/5. (Come on, people on horseback swordfighting with noamds!)

1790
Leopold III tkes the crown of the Holy Roman Empire.

Russia defeats the Turks at Izmail.

King Louis XVI agrees to make certain reforms, though no one is please just enough.

'''The Russo-Swedish War ends. '''

​Spain: The country undergoes a liberal revolution from the people, who peacefully protets for more reforms. The country, knowing that the influence of the French Revolution is at full swing, apply to their demands right on. They enact their Bill of Rights similar to the United States. The economic reforms start to get Spain back into better shape, though there is still progress to be made. The government encourages settlements in the northern and southern fronteirs by leasing the land for free as long as anyone would work on it.

Russia: The Russian army continues to fight the Swedish, but asks for a peace treaty. Until we get a reply, our troops will continue to fight. Meanwhile, the miltary is built up.

'''War end last turn. AP, I strongly suggest that you no longer follow OTL events to the word.'''

'''Okay. I won't, just this time era isn't my best era. Also, I am assuming you are talking about the Swedish War, 'cause I just saw a mod event for the Turkish War.TacoCopper'''

'''I am talking about the Turkish War. And I was talking to AP when he writes the mod events.'''

Oh, I am going to fix my turn now.TacoCopper

France: French Revolutionaries sieze Marsille, and the surrounding countryside, and establish the First French Republic, but only has firm control over Marsille. King Louis XVI makes reforms, but do not go according to plan, and cause the people to resist even more. French Revolutionaries recieve aid from Denmark-Norway and the Kingdom of Mysore, which they did support the Revolutionaries in OTL.

Moghul Empire: Forces loyal to the muslim elitists in india beat back the rebel forces led by the former king's son in Dehli but lose ground in south india were there presence isnt so strong and begin purge disloyal subjects to the king's elder son the newly declared king of the empire.more of the country falls into unrest.

Ottoman Repsonse: The Ottoman Empire sends aid to the Muslims in the Mughal Empire. (They are the legitimate government right now, right?)

Brandenburg: king frederick, aware of the looming prussion invasion, calls on the conscripts to swell the ranks of his army, as well as hiring swiss mercanaries to train them and fight along side them. he also promisies the people that if they survive the wr with prussia he will impliment a parliment to deal wth issues concerning the people. he also asks the dutchy of Mecklenburg-schwerin for an alliance to help them both survive. on the civil side more work is put into agriculture and the capital of berlin is expanded

DoM-S: We accept the alliance and remind the Brandenburgers of the troops sent last year.

Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin: Duke Frederick Francis travels to Vienna to welcome the new Holy Roman Emperor. The second wave of military modernisation begins, with the infantry receiving the latest muskets, and new artillery. The parliament passes a bill creating Turnpike trusts, in order to upgrade the Duchy's rubbish roads. Britain, Portugal and Spain are asked for an alliance and trade agreement.

​Spanish Diplomacy: It agrees.

British Diplomacy: We agree.

Britain: '''King Edward warns Prussia to stand down and stop threatening Brandenburg or it'll make itself a very powerful enemy in the process. Meanwhile, the economy is prospering and all keeps going well for the Empire.'''

Just saying, the King in 1790 was George III.

New Spain: New Spanish citizens, who now secretly call themselves "Aztalns", see the Spanish reforms for what they truly are, an attempt by Spain to keep its Empire together under a thinly vield offer of liberalism. Aztaln nationalists see this as an insult and begin encouraging other Aztalns to join the Cause of Indepndance, and the ranks swell with vollunteers. Plans for the Revolution to begin to take shape as ideals of American goverment and how there people are treated also helps the ranks grow; and as Spains attempts at keeping its empire together, instead of making the people happy, make them poised against the Spanish Crown. A small Revolutionary Army is createed numbering 3,450 men is created, and it begins to gather recruits from around New Spain. A man named only as "La Cantara", takes lead of the movement, and with his charisma and military expertice, he begins to turn the small Revlutionary Army into a well trained and equipped fighting force.

​Spanish Response: This is no lie. we are telling the truth. Please, let us try to help you. Just do not rebel.

1791
'''Louis XIV and his family attempt to escape, only to be captured and executed by the revolutionaries. The monarchy is abolished and a republic is declared.'''

The situation in New Spain becomes a great concern for Spain, who try everything they can to compromise with the people there.

Priestly Riots occur in Britain.

A slave rebellion occurs in Haiti.

​Spain: Spain continues to develop their industry and economy and to help modernize their empire. The military and navy undergo drastic changes, which use the British as their model. They refuse independence, but allow the people to have access to government positions.

France: French Revolutionaries proudly enter Paris, after the bloody revolution, and proudly put the leader of the Revolutionary Arm as the 1st President, similiar to how George Washington. As promised, Corisca becomes an autnomous province of France, and due to the lack of military, relunctantly gives Haiti is indepenence. President Larbet orders the reconstruction of the French Army and Navy, and Napoleon is put incharge of the 1st Army that will be stationed in Marsille.

Why would Corsica rebel against French rule?

'''During the French Revolution, there were Corisca nationalists. So to ge there help in this ATL, the leader of the Revolutionaries agreed to let Corisca be an autonomous region.'''

Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin: The army undergoes it's third wave of modernisation, with the latest tactics and drills being imported from Britain and Spain. The army begins a recruiting drive, offering a good wage and glory to those who enlist. The Duke, noticing that his seaside nation is lacking in a navy, commissions the creation of a navy. '''Requests are sent to allies Britain and Spain for naval advisors and engineers to help kick-start our new navy. '''The turnpike system is already helping roads to improve, but there is still a long way to go before the roads can be considered first-rate.

United States: A series of problems occur in the United States: the federalists are outraged with France's revolution, the Democratic-Republicans are overjoyed, and the south is also annoyed that slaves were able to win in Haiti. George Washington does his best to maintain the nation. The president asks that the relatives of the French Royal Family be allowed to leave the nation safely, in return for recognition from the United States. The army and navy are slightly expanded because of the volitile situation in Europe. Trade rights are requested with Spain, and the government also asks to buy Florida.

French Diplomacy: The Royal Family is dead, but any members of the Royal Family that are still alive will be allowed to go to the United States.

U.S. Diplomacy: We would like to make a count of them anyway. (King Louis XVI - dead, Queen Marie Antionette - Alive? [was not killed until 9 months after her husband OTL], children - alive, relatives - alive) Can the French Authorities confirm this for us please?

French Diplomacy: French Authorities have confirmed that many of the relvaties are alive, children are alived, and the King and Queen were executed.

U.S. Diplomacy: If you send the children to us and allow the relatives to leave in peace in either France or Europe, then we will recognize the French Republic.

French Diplomacy: France agrees.

Ottoman Empire: Continues to expand southwards in Arabia and west in Africa. Builds up defenses in Africa. (Nappy better not invade it! He didn't the last two times around, so not now!) Sends more support to the Muslim Mughals.

Prussia Asks Brandenburg for white peace. (I wasn't here at the declaration of war)

Russia: The Tsar sees that he has a vast amount of land to the East that is uninhabitated, and he decides to send people there to settle it by giving away land for free. A large migration movement begins, and thousands of people move Eastward for a better life. Many Serfs escape from their farms to move East to farm their own land. Meanwhile, Workshops are built in the nation.

Swiss Confederation: Many new troops are trained, and weapons made. Defensive forts are built along the Confederation's Borders incase we are invaded and not ready. A trade agreement is sent to Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Prussia, Brandenburg, and Russia.

Prussia: Accepts Trade agreement

Brandenburg: agrees to peace with prussia, and accepts the swiss trade agreement. the working class people who were conscripted are released, and most of the mercanaries are let go other than a few who are kept to continue training the actual army. now that the war is over, the Mark grudgly sets up a parliment to deal with civil affairs, though the the Mark (fredrick) is the head of the parliment as well as overall ruler.

Quing Dynasty: The emperor, advise to force settlers to the north, begins to, but stopped by other advisors pointing out it would lead to conflict with Russia, and and they had enough space for their vast population. A large expeditionary merchant fleet leaves to the west to the Americas.

1792
Francis II becomes Holy Roman Emperor.

George Washington is reelected president.

Spain and Mexican patriots attempt to find a solution to their dispute.

For god's sake, AP, don't follow OTL events to the word!

​Spain: Spain decides to establish a dominion status over their American colonies to hopefully end their crisis. They manage to colonize more land in the North American and Patagonian frontiers after their land distribution. They remain neutral in the European conflict.

France: France mobilizes its military and sends east to the Prussian-French border. Napoleon is put incharge of the 1st Army, and begins to draw out plans to crush the Prussians and Austrians, during the imminent invasion. France asks that Britain and Russia to stay neutral, as we, the French, are not the agressors, and asks for limited assistance from Spain and the United States.

Spanish Diplomacy: Although reluctant, it agrees.

British Diplomacy: in order to maintain a balance of power, we'll become involved on France's side if anything goes wrong. But for now we're neutral.

American Diplomacy: America is not willing to get involved in a war right now, but we will not cease our trade with France.

Ottoman Diplomacy: Offers an alliance against Austria.

Duchy of mecklenburg-Schwerin: The Duke declares his country neutral in the Franco-Prussian & Austrian War. A sloop-of-war rolls off the docks, becoming the first ship of the Duchy's navy. Roads are even better, but still need imporvement.

Brandenburg: Has no love of prussia or austria and so offers the french first army passage through branden burg, as long as they are not a drain on brandenburg resources and do not linger. the brandenburg army is stocked with new firearms, and both the king and parliment decide that fortifying berlin permanatly is a very good idea, so work begins on that. some scientists fleeing from the revolution in frace present to the mark the idea for a hot air balloon which he demands is built immediatly

French Diplomacy: France thanks Brandenburg, and promises not to linger or drain its rescources.

Swiss Confederation: The Confederation declares that it will be neutral in the Franco-Prussian and Austrian war. However, they will allow troops from both sides to come and go through Switzerland as they please, if only they don't linger or drain up resources. If any fights between both sides are started in Switzerland, the Swiss will have to intervene as it is their country, and if any Swiss civilian or otherwise is killed, Switzerland will declare war on the country that killed the civilian. More troops are being prepared and more forts and walls are being built around the country. A trade agreement is sent out to France, and cavalry units are being trained.

French Diplomacy: France agrees to the trade agreement.

'''If you were truly neutral, that wouldn't happen. Battles are sure to break out in your territory if you let both armies go through.'''

United States: The two remaining members of the French Royal Family arrive in Philadelphia where they will now reside. The country celebrates the admission of Kentucky as a state of the Union.

​1793
Poland once again is partioned by Prussia and Russia.

Unsen Volcano Eruption and Earthquake occurs in Japan.

With some foreign support, France manages to defeat Prussia and Austria on their borders.

Brandenburg's role in the war in Europe greatly weakens the position of Prussia as a great power.

​Spain: It continues colonization along the Patagonian and North American frontiers. They continue to send limited aid to France. They begin colonizing Mindanao and encourage the migration of Spanish American and Spanish settlers to the Philippines. The economy continues to improve while the military and navy are being more modern.

American Diplomacy: President Washington would like to negotiate the sale of Florida with Spain if Spain is willing.

Spanish Diplomacy: Spain says no.

Prussia declares war on Brandenburg and invades slowly gaining land with heavy losses due to the Army falling into disrepair after Frederick the Great's death. Prussia asks all German states to declare war on the tratorious Brandenburg for siding with a nation with different cultural background. '''The US and Prussia had a trade agreement :/. Plus, I wasn't herefor the last turn.'''

'''Guys, one problem here. Brandenburg belonged to Prussia since the early 1700s. It didn't exist as a nation at this point. '''

-- It seceded in the first turn.

I doubt that would be considered plausible at all.

The point of an alternate history is that its alternate and the eastern part which has broken off to become brandenburg was only in the union because it was invaded.

'''While I realise the alternate history part of it, Brandenburg actually took over Prussia, not the other way around. In fact Brandenburg was the heart of the Kingdom of Prussia, and it is very unlikely for them to leave and lose all that they have accomplished. '''

Siam: Siam sends out trade missions to Japan and China. It also has some border issues with Burma.

United States: The United States declares support for Prussia in the war againts Brandenburg, although it does not mention who it favors with regards to France. Marie Joseph Paul Yves Roche Gilbert du Motier (better know as the Marquis de La Fayette) and Friedrich Wilhelm August Heinrich Ferdinand von Steuben (better known as Baron von Steuben) are made honorary citizens of the United States.

France: France demands that Prussia hands over the left bank of the Rhine, and pay repartitions to France for such an aggressive act. Napoleon, along with the Senate and President, launches reforms in the military, and training of the new army begins. The French Navy begins to construct an man-of-war and an sloop.

Brandenburg: as prussia has now attacked brandenburg after making peace with it less than a year ago, brandenburg asks to ally with france to drive out the prussians, who, according to previous events could not have advaced into brandenburg as the french 1st army is in the way. in berlin, a prototype hot air balloon is launched, and a forein trade system is offred to spain so that both countries can gain resources not avalible to them currently, fruit and ebony from spain to brandenburg and pine wood and iron ore from brandenburg to spain.

French Diplomacy: France is still at war with Prussia (I'll do an algorithm).

Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin: Sides with France and Brandnenburg in the oncoming war. Roads are even better than usual, thanks to the Turnpikes. A new sloop begins construction.

Swiss Confederation: More troops are trained and a trade agreement is sent to France.

French Diplomacy: France agrees.

1794
The cotton gin is invented by American Eli Whitney.

Angry Pennsylvanian farmers rebel in the Whiskey Rebellion.

'''Prussia and Austria suffer many losses in the war. '''

​Spain: It continues colonization in the Philippines and the Americas. Their economic reforms manage to help the country return to its status as a great power once again. They ask for all the nations in the European conflict to at least establish peace.

France: Napoleon leads the French Army across the Rhine, and manages to sieze the eastern bank of the Rhine. Aid is sent to Brandenburg, and the 1st French Army under Napoleon. Napoleon crushes an counterattack from an weak Prussian army, and the eastern bank of the Rhine is annexed into the First French Republic, and the 2nd Army reinforces the 1st Army and begins to construct defenses in the newly aquirred territory. France asks Prussia and Austria to report to the talk page for an treaty.

Siam: Siam invades (part of) Burma because of border issues. The nation asks for China and/or Japan to help their cause in the invasion.

Brandenburg: The fortifications around berlin are finished, despite the fact that the prussians have been driven off by the french. the offer for a trade agreement with spain is repeated. a military stratagist in the army suggests using the newly created hot air balloons in the militatry as scouts and to drop things on enemys below. So that armys can travel easily through it, brandenburg begins to upgade its road system, basing it on the old roman one.

Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin: The Duke begins patronizing various attempts at industrialization. Two ironworks are opened, and some water mills are also constructed. The navy now numbers one frigate and two sloops, and construction begins on a corvette, due for completion next year. With the death of Duke Adolphus Frederick IV of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, M-Schwerinese soldiers march into the small neighbouring country.

1795
The Whiskey Rebellion spreads across the whole state.

Japan declines to intervene in the Siamese-Burmese conflict, yet China agrees to help Siam.

'''Austria falls to disarray, leaving Prussia left. It loses the Rhine bank to France.'''

​Spain: It continues colonizing most of the Philippines and the Americas. Rumors of gold in the southwest and California reach the capital, though expeditions have been sent to prove this. They call for peace in Europe.

France: France final annexation of the Rhine occurs, and the river now belongs to France. The 3rd Army enters the brown country and annxes the Piedmont, due to the presence of an Austrian garrison in the small country over. Meanwhile, France offers an ceasefire to Prussia, and negotiations will take place on the talk page.

United States: Generals Washington and Greene gather an army of about 5,000 men and ride out to Pennsylvania. Moving across the state, their presence alone is enough to make almost all rebels lay down arms, and any who refuse are arrested. The army moves to Pittsburg, and the rebellion ends shortly after. The navy is being increased to two destroyers and three frigates.

Quing Dynasty: It increases it's presence in the Tibetan border to counter raids from bandits, and prepares a major military operation. The large merchant fleet recives technological information as it goes around the world.

Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin: The neighbouring Duchy of Mecklenburg-Strelitz is formally annexed into M-Schweri, and troops are raised from the new province. Duke Frederick Francis asks France for an alliance. Thanks to the new (if small) navy, the Duchy's Baltic chalk and timber trade flourishes, with trading houses opening up in London, Stockholme and Copenhagen.

French Diplomacy: France agrees.

1796
The Jiaqing Emperor becomes Chinese emperor after Qianlong abdicates.

American ships are raided by North African pirates.

Catherine of Russia dies, leaving Paul I Russian emperor.

The Whiskey Rebellion is crushed.

'Guys, we have to keep going until the Napoleonic Wars begin, otherwise this game will crash and burn again''. '''

United States: The United States celebrates Tennesee as the 16th state in the Union. More amounts of Mechanization occur in the cities.

Aren't you aware of the North African pirates?

Aztlan: After years of building up strength and weaponry and armies, the people of New Sapin revolt and rise up against the Spanish Empire and proclaim the United Federation of Aztlan, or UFA, which begins to force out the Spanish,m adn the USA is begged to help Aztlan gain its independance form the Imperialist Liars in Spain. The Aztaln Army, since it has had years to prepare itself and gain troops, numbers 35,000 men in the main Army with 25,000 in Guerilla Units, which harrass and capture Spanish troops and capture supplies for the Republic. The UFA asks the nations of the world for help in forcing out Spain. Meanwhile, more gold is discovered in OTL Chihuahua, and a gold rush begins, while more gold and silver is discovered in California, encouraging immigartion to Aztlan.

'''Aztlan? Isn't that a bit to native? By the time- I am almost sure, criollos and other Spanish-influenced kinds had been the biggest group in population, yes there was still a native presence, but it was minor compared to criollos......just so you know, there was already a sorts-of "Mexican" identity, but if you want to keep Aztlan, no objections. Ianian58 22:06, May 15, 2012 (UTC)'''

I am not too sure if such a thing would in fact be plausible, and I would like the mods to look at it closely. If they decide that it is in fact plausible, then by all means continue.

'''Naw. Too many mesitzos for that name. I say mexico is better.'''

'''I meant the whole event, not just the name. Monster Pumpkin 22:18, May 15, 2012 (UTC)'''

'''No mod, but my *ahem* professional knowledge should have influence. It is plausible, but at the same time not (lolwut). You see, yes, it is possible for a rebellion at similair size, but I'd put the number around 17 thousands or so soldiers in total, they'd have a very big lack of equipment, though, patriotic men of freedom in America can supply that. Spain at the time was a major power, unlike 19th century, due to no invasion by Napoleon or them losing their colonies, Spain is a power that can match those of Britain and France (but stil lose) meaning, they wouldn't be beated so easily, I can see rebels winning in Mexico at first, but Spanish forces in the north, Central America, and Cuba, quickly making the situation unwinnable. Ianian58 22:22, May 15, 2012 (UTC)'''

'''Spain helped America gain independence, so it is unlikely that they would aid them. especially since Spain tried to accomodate to the colonist's demands. '''

'''Objection! There had been conflict between Americans heading west and the Spanish! The American people were very young at the time, and saw themselves as the people and supporters of freedoms, and would whole-heartedly support the rebels, may the government discourage it or not. '''

'''Trust me, the American would not intervene against the Spanish. He was against helping Republican France, which was not the government that helped the Americans yet appealed to American ideals. America would not help. '''

'I disagree again, there is a diffrent between the problems of Spain, in America, and the problems of France in Europe.'' The U.S may not officially intervene, but I can see a few thousand American Volunteers fighting for the rebels, along with weapons and such, even with the government condeming it. '''

'''They may not, for as of right now, we don't know why they are rebelling in the first place. There are no major population centers of the United States located close enough to New Spain to fight there, and I doubt that that many would make the journy there. '''

'''Agreed in the first sentence, but, many Americans, especially the young ones would go there, they were incredibly willed and patriotic for ideas of freedoms and alone were thrilled by the idea of helping a young nation. At the very least, the rebels would recieve weapons and a few volunteers. '''

'''Not good weapons, and even if people went to fight it would not turn the tide against Spain. '''

'''They would recieve weapons and some volunteers as I make my final statement, and I do agree it would not change the tide of the war- but it would drag it on. '''

'''First of all, I DID support Republican france against Prussia and Austria. Second of all, I tried everything to appease Mexico to prevent independence. And third of all, I am going to give American Flordia if they help me.'''

Add in Lousiana, and you might just have a deal, my friend.

Aztaln  offers France and the USA the following borders should it help Aztaln gain independance:



Quing Dynasty: It masses it's army bordering South-East Asia, an army equalling around 1.2 million men.

'''Well guys, we all know the process. (If you've played the last two games, that is.) The Ottoman Empire/me conquers Arabia, goes after Persia. WINS! Russia/Taco moves out east, yadda yadda yadda, the Mughals, yes it's Mughals and not Moghuls, defeat Britain in India, etc. China/Ian ransacks Tibet, etcetera, etcetera, the Empress herself kills Zhuge Liang, so on so forth. HOORAY FOR TRADITION! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:27, May 15, 2012 (UTC)'''

'''South-East Asia = Tibet? PLOT TWIST! Ianian58 22:01, May 15, 2012 (UTC)'''

'''How did you predict my move? (Starcasm)TacoCopper'''

Now announcing to everyone: I plan to have an expansionist America. You have been warned! >:D Monster Pumpkin 22:19, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

'''Spain would have to lose all their colonies....early Simon Bolivar? Anyways, COME AT ME BRO! '''

'''Hey man, I'm taking it slow and steady. No need to fear...yet.'''

Well guys, I was just prediciting the future of the game.

'''It's cool man. '''

The Ottoman Empire: Takes more of Western Persia. Offers help and whatnot to the Mughals if they help invade from the East. Expands in Africa.

Spain: It declares war on Aztlan and begins mobilizing against the independence effort. They have tried everything to prevent a rebellion and now this! They ask the United States for healp and promises Florida if they do. They continue colonizing Patagonia and Mindanao. They establish a new colony at an unclaimed region at eastern Borneo.I

meant the wh

Russia: Thousands of Settlers continue to move East, and many Serfs flee to move East to get free land from the Government. Hundreds of Small Settlements start up on the Frontier. Meany people get jobs in the lumber Industry out East. Meanwhile, Workshops start to open up more in back West.

France: With no word for an ceasefire from Prussia, the 3rd and 2nd Army under Napoleon enter deep into Prussian territory. Meanwhile, France begins to build up its infastructure, and factoreis along the Rhine are constructed to produce equipment for the French army, and is maintained by child and women labor. Piedmont formally becomes part of France, and the French Republic supports Spain, since its assited France at the beginning.

Aztlan Diplomacy: Aztaln begs France for help, inreturn France will gain much of Spanis Empire in the Americas as well as northern OTL California.

Spanish Diplomacy: It begs France not to listen to them, promising to help get back Haiti if they side with us.

Brandenburg: The roads continue to improve and with the prussians retreating brandenburg claims prussian land to the east of it, inching slowly foward. Asks that in exchange for its continued support, france allow brandenburg some of prussia's lands after they've conquered it. it repeats its offer to spain for a trade agreement. miners begin mining iron in the mountains to the south using new industrial techniques

Duchy of Mecklenburg-Scwerin: The Duke is glad with how the nation is going. Roads are good, a new corvette is added to the burgeoning navy, and trade is better than it has ever been (it was never particularly good). But he feels it is missing something...Some traders bring a proposal to the Duke: expand M-S trade by starting a (very small) colony in West Africa. The Duke, after much consideration, accepts, and a small fleet carrying soldiers, traders and settlers sets sail for otl Gabon. They arrive, and build a fort. (Before the acusations of implausability start rolling in; hear this: Most nations had forts in Africa at this time. Denmark, Sweden and other not major powers had outposts there. And I did it in the last game. So there)

Siam: Siam establishes control over eastern Burma.

Moghul Empire: the civil ends with the rebels destroying half the country and falling into interbal fighting. the Muslims mop up the ramnents of the rebel forces at great expences and start rebuilding. (sorry completely forgot i was in the map game) the new emperor that more laxed laws will be placed so that hindus are treated as equals to themor atleast treated fairly.the armyt is expanded to replenish its numbers and the construction of 2 local factories are made in Dehli to begin produicing firearms and cannons.the army is reformed and trained to fight along more modern lines.

1797
North African pirates make raids across the European Mediterranean and the American ships.

Prussia is forced to surrender, recognizing Brandenburg's independence and the French inheritence of Prussian lands in other German areas.

'''The Aztlan War of Independence has begun. Spain is desperatly trying to find enough help from its allies as it can.'''

Frenchmen cheer across France, calling for Napoleon to become the country's leader.

Spain: Spain asks France and America for help. It will help France regain Haiti if they help and agree to give America Louisiania and Florida. They rally troops all across the country and any loyalists in the Americas to fight against the Aztlan rebels.

Aztlan Diplomacy: Aztaln offers Spain a deal: Have Spain become a Comonwealth, with Spains Monarchy as its head and the colonies being in close trade and military allaince with Spain, although they can maintain there internal afairs. Aztaln offers France and America the following borders shoyuld Spain decline the deal:

France: Napoelon agrees to become France's ruler, and establisht the First French Empire. Napoleon agrees to help Spain, and veterans of the First European War is sent to help Spain fight the Aztlans. Meanwhile, Napoleon passes the First Imperial Act, improving the infastructure and education system. Napoleon also gives some territory to Bradenburg as an thank you gift for their help, and the remainder of the territory, around the Rhine, and lower German states are annexed into the French Empire.

Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin: Turnpike trusts are established in recently annexed Mecklenburg-Strelitz. The African settlement, named Fredericksland, is officially claimed for the Duchy. A treaty is signed with the native inhabitants, which recognises the colony. With an ever expanding trade-based economy, the government's coffers are overflowing, and another corvette is comissioned for the navy. The Duke also sends a diplomat to Brandenburg.

Moghul Empire: the empire requests an alliance with the french to aid the modernize and recuperate lands seized by other european powers in the future in exchange french interests in the subcontinent will be accepted and benifits to french citizens will be granted.the production of firearms begins and soldiers are sent to start crushing whats left of the uprisings and along the border with the persian Empire in an attempt to aid its ottoman allies in return it will only want the eastern most part of persia and ottoman aid in submitting the rest of the indian subcontinent and block out english influence on the continent.

'''I'm warning you now, you're making a powerful enemy in Britain if you do that. Remember you're empire is weakening now.'''

​French Diplomacy: France agrees to everything.

Ottoman D: Agrees to everything.

Aztaln: Aztaln begins to force Spain out of Aztalnm and offers America Louisina, Florida, Cuba, and all of Spains Carribean possessions if it helps Aztaln free itself from the Spanish opressors. Aztaln guerilla forces begi to cause havoc on the Spanish in Aztlan, and Aztaln forces begin to show who the bravest and smartest leaders in Aztlan are, and one, an Apache Indian named Gernimo, who is very young, uses hit and run tactics that kill thousands of Spaniards and bring hundreds of prisoners back. Britain is begged for help and offerd OTL Venezuela, Colombia, and Ecuador if it declares war on Spain. The Dutch are also begged for help, and promised the Philipenes as well as all of Spains Pacific and Indian OCean possessions. Brandenburg and Mecklenburg-Schwerin are also begged for help, promising them land in South America. The borders are offerd to the nations who help Aztaln. Other nations who pladge help will be added to this map. The Aztaln people also begin to rally behind the new General Geronimo, who they think stands for the Republic, and they will not be dissapointed.

''' Geronimo did not exist until the late 19th century or so, and I doubt that the Mexicans would support an Indian to lead them. Furthermore, the casualties listed here are quite exagerated. '''

Swiss Confederation: The Confederation is glad that the Franco-Prussian war is over. A sudden population increase results in many towns growing. The Confederation decides it needs more land to expand into. It declares war on Savoy and Milan to the south. The troops that had been stockpiling for years now, finally get some action, and invade both countries.

United States: John Adams is elected President, with Thomase Jefferson as vice-president. The idea of supporting the New Spain rebellion is considered by the president, although he first wants to know why they are rebelling.

Ottoman Empire: Ottoman Empire defeats the rest of Persia and prepares to move into Africa. Offers France an alliance.

Britain: The British East India company continue to undermine Mughal rule in India now that the empire is becoming incredibly weak and Britain is superior to them in every way. Britain supports Spain in crushing the Aztlan independence and mobilizes the army to invade Aztlan. '''The Navy blockades important Aztlan ports to starve the illegitimate country. Other allies are asked to join Britain's amphibious invasion planned for next turn. '''We ask that the US not meddle in this war or itt'l suffer the consequences. We condemn Switzerland's actions on innocent regions to the south and sever all ties as well as impose economic sanctions on them to halt their weak economy.

Don't worry, regard Swiss actions as null and void.

You crossed out the wrong thing lol.

'''Oh, you're right. My bad, XD'''

1798
Aztlan Forces feel intimidated at facing a combined Anglo-Franco-Spanish force in their war for independence

People in the US call to take action in New Spain

Netherlands undegoes a coup, creating the Batavian Republic.

Alien and Sedition Acts and enacted.

Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin: Duke Frederick Francis declares his support for his Spanish and British allies and sends a naval expeditionary force (one corvette and some infantry, remember we're just a small country) to join them in the fight against the Aztlan revolutionaries. Meanwhile, the Fredericksland african colony engages in the ivory and game trades, but not the slave trade, following a Ducal Decree from Schwerin.

Ottoman Empire: Again, offers France an alliance. Expands into Africa and promises the Mughals (Mughals, not Moghuls) Eastern Persia. Also offers help against Aztlan.

United States: John Adams publicly declares support for France and her allies, although that upsets the French Royal Family. He offers to aid Spain in subduing Aztlan, which is generally thought to be rebelling for no reason, in exchange for Florida and/or Louisiania, preferably both. Adams creates the U.S. Department of Native Affairs to resolve any disputes that may occur. (Nothing personal Sims, you can still play if this turns out wrong)

Spanish Diplomacy: They can have Florida.

American Diplomacy: We will double our efforts and pay you a substantial amount of money if you throw in Louisiana too.

Spanish Diplomacy: It agrees.

Spain: It thanks America for its help and lets them have Florida. They refuse Aztlan's offer, saying that a Dominion system is better. They thanks the Ottomans and Mecklenburg-Schwerin for their help.

Aztaln Diplomacy: Aztaln will agree to become a Dominion if Aztaln can still control its domestic policies while having a unnited foriegn policy with Spain.

Spanish DIplomacy: That's what dominions are.

Britain: Due to military might and our combined power, Aztlan Mexico was quickly overrun by European forces, with aztlan resistance melting and being driven to the south steadily. The Europeans demad the surrender of Aztlan and become a dominion. The naval blockade proves effective as many Aztlan citizens feel the sting of the blockade.

Austria: Austria requests trade agreements from Russia, France, and all Germanic nations. Men are recruited and stockpiled, along with the production of weapons, and stockpile of weapons.

DoM-S Diplomacy: The Duke accepts the trade agreement, but feels it is unnecessary, seeing as we are bith still technically in the Holy Roman Empire.

France: France continues to improve infastructure in the Piedmont region. The left bank of the Rhine is fortified to keep any Prussians from an invasion. France agrees to the Ottoman Empire's alliance, and two platoons of infantry from the Franco-Prussian War is sent to help Spain, and the other countries against Aztlan. France agrees to Austria's trade agreement, and recongization of the Batavian Republic occurs.

Brandenburg brandenburg officialy recognises Aztlan as a country, and the dukemakes a speech saying that any country that wishes for freedom should have it. but as it has no navy and joining on the Aztlan side would bean fighting its allies, it takes no military action. the french are thanked for their generous gift of land. a artillary foundry is started to produce artillary pieces both to sell and for the military, and the parliment are granted more civic powers and are generally left to run the county.

Aztaln Diplomacy: Aztaln thanks Brandenburg and begs for "Vollunteers" and supplies.

Brandenburg diplomacy: Agrees to send supplies, including weapns, but not troops

Spanish Response: HOW THE F COULD YOU?

Brandenburg Diplomacy: There are such things as private traders, not everything is owned by governments. I can't send as much on these as I could on a goverment owned navy, but its still possible

Moghul Empire: in an attempt to apease the organize the various elements in the subcontinent at the moment the emperor decides to halt its anti british stance at the moment while strengthen its ties with the french and ottomans. the army continues its modernization with the new help from the french and turks and 5 armies are sent to invade the persian eatern portion of the empire and from there hold onto a defencesive stance. infrustructure is built with french aid and the nations first train line is under constructionfrom Dehli to Bombay. the final hindu insurrections are put down and more money to security and education begins.

MUGHAL! Not Moghul.

Aztaln: Aztaln condemns America as hypocrytical for saying it hates Imperialism when it relay is helping people who ate Freedom in retunr for land, stating that Georgwe Washington would tunr in his grave if he heard of this. Aztaln will agree to become a Dominion if Aztaln can still control its domestic policies while having a unnited foriegn policy with Spain. Aztaln troops begin a guerilla war against any and all Spanish and its Allies troops.

American Diplomacy: First of all, George Washington is not dead yet. Second, we believe in the honor of helping those who helped us. Third, we don't even know why you are revolting, especially when Spain tries to assess your concerns.

British Diplomacy: If Aztlan cedes Panama and a considerable piece of Central America, we'll pull our forces out of Mexico and convince our Allies to leave( We are occupying Mexico now and WE lead the attack not Spain so this is a legitimate offer).

'''Aztlan has no territory in South America, that is the Vice Royalty of Rio Deplata, Peru, and Granada. Aztlan is New Spain. '''

Change that to Panama + a piece of Central America.

'''Hate to rain on your parade again, but Panama belongs to the Vice-Royalty of New Granada, not New Spain/Aztlan. New Spain stops at the OTL Panama-Central America border. And how do you propose to force France, Spain, and the U.S. to leave? '''

'''LOOK. I WILL TRY TO END THE WAR SOMEHOW!'''

Don't forget Ottomans.

Siam: Siam builds up its navy and education system as the border tensions lessen a bit.

Quing Dynasty: The Quing Army undergoes drastic modernization, with information coming from the Merchant Fleet, the so called Great Year of Technology, puts the Dynasty nearly modernized in the army and navy. Angered by the situation in India, it offers Burma and the Mughals, a military trio alliance, and warns the British Empire to not intervene in India. In response, the 1 million man force in bordering South-East Asia moblizies, and threatens to "break through the small nations bordering India in the south-east and head to India!" Then navy also moblizies, threatening to take away the few Pacific Posessions it has. It urges the Mughals to not back down

One million man army?'''YEAH RIGHT! also theres no way an ISOLATIONIST nation like you could possibly do all of that in one turn.'''

'''OBJECTION! Ianian58 18:00, May 20, 2012 (UTC) It is infact possible! In the time of the Quing Dynasty, the dynasty was not isolationist in Asia, espcially at these years were there was much growth, and since the beginning of the game, the Quing Dynasty has made progression with information, and it is infact possible to modernize strength. I agre, I overdid the modernization, but, the one million man army is completely possible with China's massive population of 470 million+, historically, the dynasty's army was always small due to lack of internal or external fighting. Ianian58 18:00, May 20, 2012 (UTC)'''

'''The population in 1790 was 275 million. Yet the army is still possible yet it wouldnt be as strong as any European one but in numbers yes you have them beat.'''

'''*300 million, and with a diffrence of ten years, a few million mores. Ianian58 19:16, May 20, 2012 (UTC)'''

'''Sorry Ian. You wanna modernize, it takes a few turns for that.'''

I understand that part, I did overexagerate it, my bad, 

​1800
Aztlan Independence War continues.

Native Americans in the United States clash with American settlers in the frontier.

The Qing Empire begins a period of openess to the outside world.

Relations between Britain and France and the Ottomans worsen when the Mughals establish closer ties with the French and Ottomans.

​Spain: Spain agrees to a compromise to the Aztlans: it will agree to a commonwealth system just as it has asked before. In exchange, the rebellion will end, yet everyone is granted amnesty.

Aztaln Diplomacy: Aztaln accepts, and Spain is thanked.

Mughal Empire: the modernization of the indian subcontinent continues and the first part of the rail way is made. western ideals like centralized power, beaurocracy, and industrialization begin to take root in the capital and other major cities a plan to unify the different princes and independent warlords in the empire begins.a policy of plurism towards both hindu and muslim faiths is began.

'''ATTENTION PEOPLE! I've decided to resign as Britain so i can become an UNBIASED "watcher" of sorts. Britain may be taken by any MOD!'''

CALLED IT! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:09, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

Russia: Thousands of Settlers continue to move Eastward, and more Workshops are set up. Meanwhile, the Government hopes that the Situation in America will cool down soon.

Portugal: Portugal improves infrastructure and economy they also build a military barrack in Praria, Cape Verde. Portugal settlers head to Sao tome and Principe.

Austria:  Austria declares that they are getting into the Aztlanian War of Independance. They, in order to gain some land over seas, and to stablilize and improve friendly relations with the rest of Europe, send three regiments, the 1st,2nd, and 3rd Austrian Volunteers, the 1st Austrian Cavalry Volunteers, and the 2nd Artillery Regiment to Aztlan, approximately 45,000 Men, 15,000 Cavalry Units, and 15,000 Cannons, mostly to the southern region, to take it. Ships are sent to blockade ports, and to bombard the land. The ships are apart of 4th Fleet consisting of 150 Ships. An Alliance is sent out to Prussia, France and Russia. A Trade Agreement is sent to Russia, the Ottomans, and Britain.
 * Russian Diplomacy: We accept both.
 * French Diplomacy: France cannot accept the alliance (due to plauisble reasons, as the French never had good relations with Austria during that time period).
 * Listen, I'm sorry, but 150 ships? In world war one, Austria-Hungary had only 98 ships, so having a single fleet with fifty more almost one hundred years earlier is, I'm sorry, just impossible. Even today, the British navy has only 98 ships!!! And 15000 cannons? Seriously? You don't have enough men in the taskforce to handle them! Callumthered
 * Aztaln has agreed to become a Spanish Commonwealth, therefor you are decalring war on Spain and Aztlan.
 * This is  NOT  HAPPENING! France=Austrian enemy. Ottoman Empire=Greatest Austrian enemy of all time in 1800s. Russia? Not so much. Britain? Not exactly your pal, but not exactly a friend either.

France: France continues to support the European powers and the United States against Aztlan. Meanwhile, the military is expanded, and construction on the first French ship begins, and construction on bridges across the Rhine begin. Piedmont-Sardina is divided into states, and the last remnants of the old nation is destroyed.

fyi, you already have heaps of ships by this time. You are the world's second most powerful sea power. Callumthered

I know, but I mean the first one built by the French Empire. Enclavehunter 03:43, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

United States: The United States occupies Louisiana and Florida as Spain agreed, and 29 million dollars are given to Spain for them. The Department of Native Affairs continues its work, and successfully creates an agreement that leads to the two states of Cherokee and Tennesee joining the union.

Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin: The military leaders request to purchase some cannons from the foundry in Brandenburg. Shipbuilders in Rostock start construction on another frigate. With the situation in North Ameriica calming down, the Duchy's force is preparing to return home. With a strong economy and full government coffers, the duke asks Sweden if it is interested in selling Swedish Pomerania to us.

Aztaln: Aztaln accepts the Commonwealth offer of Spain and ceases hostilities with the mother country. Aztaln begins to try and heal relations with Spain. Spain is asked to call off its Allies.

brazil asks for independence they will stay loyal to portugal and become a alliance member they also will build more industry and stores and a baby boom accurs they raise the militia from 1000 to 3000 to keep brazil safe from natives and other colonies they also build fort brazil on the coast toward portugal and spain and they claim and expand into any unclaimed land they can

Quing: The army undergoes modernization process with valued infornmation and manufacturing workshops springing around the costal areas to help this effort. The Emperor faces a rash decision to go with plans in South-East Asia, or attempt to help the Mughals, or expand through another area.

1801
'''​P.S. We have recent coding problems. i want to know what started this!'''
 * 1) The Aztlan Rebellion officially ends.
 * 2) With Louisiana and Florida now handed over to United States, it ushes a new era for the United States.
 * 3) The Act of Union establishes the United Kingdom of Britain and Ireland.
 * Spain: It begins to return to normalcy after the Aztlan War. They are forced to accept the American control of Louisiana and Florida although the worth was only small. They ask for a political union with Portugal to reform the Iberian union.
 * United States: The United States celebrates the gaining of land that more than doubles the size of the nation. As a result, President John Adams becomes very popular. Settlers spread out into the new territories, and the Department of Native Affairs is expanded to watch them.
 * Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin: The troops who took part in the Aztlan War arrive home to a rousing reception. Duke Frederick Francis himself presents them with the country's first ever campaign medal-the Aztlan Medal. Sweden is again asked if it wants to sell Swedish Pomerania. If it does not, the Duke is considering purchasing the Virgin Isles from Denmark. The shipbuilders lay down the keel of the latest ship for the navy, a two nd a half decked frigate. Roads in annexed Mecklenburg-Strelitz are up to the same good standard as in the main Duchy. The Duke offers his 22 year old daughter in marriage to any monarch who wants her, particularly Portugal or Britain, or Spain.
 * Austria: Austria builds up more forces, and stand idle for a while.