User talk:Louisiannan/archive3

1983: Doomsday Egypt
Hey, Bo. I like Egypt and I rather say I'm quite intrigued by your ideas of a literally greener Egypt, and a Kharoun Oasis government with Islamic Fundamentalists running around. I'd like to help because with the history of Egypt established, that can help me on my ideas of the Greek mandates in North Africa. Mr.Xeight 16:24, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If you'd like to run with it, I'll be happy to provide nudges if I think you're going "off-course". Louisiannan 16:43, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh no I wouldn't like to steal your Egypt, I'd simply like to help you with the whole nation, as well as asking if you'd help me with my mandates. We have no idea when Greece acquired them, what their borders are, was there opposition, did Sicily do anything, etc. We don't even have flags for them. Mr.Xeight 17:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't take it as stealing. I take it as me not being able to give it the attention it deserves since I'm up to my ears in 1983DD France and Utah.  It would have to sit on my back burner for some months before I got everything settled out, and, honestly, if you are up to the task, I'm fine to give some initial direction and watch the story you spin with it. Louisiannan 17:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to work with your idea of the Khartoun Oasis government, as well as Egypt sprucing up the countryside. I was thinking that seperate revolutions of Egyptian Communists and Arab/Muslim Fundamentalists rising up, maybe the survival group, Islamic fascist, and communist governments declaring a government is parts of the nation, with the survivalist group being the only to survive. Do you have any ideas on when/where the Greeks would move into the coast? Mr.Xeight 18:43, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * FWIW, it's the Kharga Oasis. As for where the Greeks would settle, you'd probably have to figure out where the new rivers would be running, because there are going to be a few rivers flowing toward the sea, for example at the Toshka lakes, and onward, into the desert.  I would expect as well an upwelling of artesian wells -- although much of the water that falls is just going to disappear into the desert sands and recharge the Saharan Aquifer.
 * I'll let you decide the government, as well. Louisiannan 18:51, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I see lakes developping in the dark green areas of this map. I can see the enterprising Greeks, with a restored "capital" at Alexandria engaging in a herculean public works project to flood out the Qattara Depression for both the hydro-electric power, but to also create the inland sea, and possibly help "green up" the desert.  I'll try to make a map of the lakes and rivers I see starting to form in Egypt. I'll add that the Nile will likely split in two directions because of the Aswan High Dam -- especially with increased rainfall to the south -- this will be diverted into the Toshka Lakes and down the alter-nile...I'll have to figure out what the masri people will call it. This is something that the survivors would fight to have, since the other arable land in Egypt would have been nuked in 1983.  Louisiannan 19:09, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

The edit conflict didn't save my edit at all this time :(

What I said was... Mr.Xeight 19:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Would there even be an Alexandria with Egypt rapidly changing? The Nile would no doubt swell, and its Delta shrink, maybe even claiming the ancient city.
 * Greece taking on flooding the Qattara is a wonderful idea-except its home to so many animals whose natural habitat it is. Maybe without humans and more water, they could spread all over the nation, so a flooded Qattara won't be such a great loss.
 * With the artesian wells rupturing and feeding the Saharan Aquifer, maybe small water-pumping stations could spring up all over the green parts of Egypt, maybe even a Greek-Egyptian effort.
 * If a flooded Qattara does go into affect, this inland sea you envision could house a port city on its banks.


 * Yes, the Nile would swell, but any of the flooding from Aswan and South is going to be diverted IMHO through the Toshka lakes and out, into the desert, so chances are a great deal of the water flow will be comparable to here's flood seasons, now -- since they're still letting water through Aswan *here*, but I don't think they'll worry about it so much *there* because all that part of Egypt glows in the dark.
 * As for Alexandria, I don't see why they wouldn't just establish another one somewhere.
 * The flooding would be gradual and the Greeks could take an ecotopic bent (though not calling it by that name since it wouldn't exist in 1983 DD) and seed the different species along the new banks of this inland sea, which would also change the face of Egypt, offering more arable land to the East or west, depending on the prevailing winds.
 * I could see pumping stations developing, I could also see more lakes developing than just Qattara.
 * I think having it be Greco-Masri effort to do the changing would be wise -- a partnership, or even Greeks seeking New Egyptian citizenship. That's my thoughts. Louisiannan 20:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I think I better let you do the speculation to as how much exactly of the Delta will be gone. Though I'm not opposed to a new one
 * There are about 9-10 decent sized lakes in Egypt (wikipedia's page on Kharga shows them), could you see them all being connected through rivers and smaller lakes?
 * I'd rather much like a friendship between the surviving Egypt and Greece.
 * Huh, so North Africa and the Middle East were nuked afterall. I'm wondering if the US might bomb Bur Sa'id/Port Said since afterall, the Soviets did give help to Egypt (that might actually have been the '90s, so maybe not)
 * I'm also thinking of maybe not just introducing other animals to Egypt. Maybe lions, leopards, and African elephants; creatures not seen since Rome ate them all and sicked them on their gladiators.
 * What are your thoughts on Libya and Tunisia's fate?

Mr.Xeight 21:44, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Egypt's Delta
I think that with the added rainfall, increased moisture to the west, I could see more precipitation, more erosion, and an increase in the delta. I think that there will be a lot of erosion in the areas that are farmed now because the land will no longer be protected and the river will hold sway.

I can see a possible second river developing -- depending on how Qattara is handled. I think that they will let the silt settle lower in Aswan and then just shove it down the Nile itself so that the water coming through the other channels will be cleaner. That's my thought. Louisiannan 22:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Nuking the Middle East
As I mentioned, I think they did it themselves. Louisiannan 22:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Map
Here's a tentative map.



Correct my Greek (since I don't speak it, but I presume you do.) Louisiannan 22:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

The only thing that's a little iffy is "Tashka", as far as I know (you have to remember, it's only my second language, and Greek-Americans don't necessarily speak properly) there really is no "sh" in Greek. In fact at a quick glance I read it as "Lake Towka". I might go with "Τασκα", but that's only if I'm right. Mr.Xeight 22:54, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * So, does "Τασκα" transliterate to Taska? That's fine -- I was basing my guess from Cyrillic, since I don't actually read Greek letters. Louisiannan 23:05, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes it does. I tried translating it from Arabic to Greek on Googe Translate, and all that came was "Ταshk" Mr.Xeight 23:09, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

New Britain
I've altered the History a tad. If you could check through and tell me any alterations I should make on the talk page I would be much obliged. Bob 14:40, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Pure Arabica
hello i was around that althis, and i dont fine the "timeline" the "central page" the complete history of what was happen, and i see there is a "little lot" of pages in the category but not a "Timeline pure arabica", where is where can i read that--Fero 20:22, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You've linked to the central page. The timeline is still in development.  I haven't sat down and created a chronological list of events yet.  Sorry to disappoint! Louisiannan 20:51, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

= Not Offended= Don't worry, not offended, just thought it would make more sense that I clean up, than anyone else having to.

No revamps. Feel free to do whatever.Ladon 22:42, 23 July 2009 (UTC)