Board Thread:Timeline Discussions/@comment-10975360-20130619171432/@comment-4621372-20130623183136

Not at ALL.

Look, ok, from the start the Nazis had zero chance. OF COURSE America would intervene on the British side, they were at war in all but name until Pearl harbour. The Brits start fighting desperately, and their good allies the Americans will chime in with a half million troops.

Britain had no reason to sue for peace; the Nazis did not have a navy that could oppose theirs- how the hell would the Germans cross the Channel? The Bismarck went down, the Tirpitz never left it's bay, and there were no other German ships that would even come close to a fully armed British naval convoy. That's not to say the Germans didn't try; but after the Scharnhorst went the way of the Spanish Armada...

As for U-boats, consider this: Out of the 40,000 German submariners in WWII, 30,000 died at sea. Besides which, the Germans wouldn't dare touch British ships heading for America or American ships heading for Britain. A rerun of the Lusitania would start a rerun of WWI. So what would you deploy them against? Battleships or heavy cruisers that could blast them out of the water like they weren't even there?

The Americans were ALREADY sending aid to Britain and Russia, far before they actually entered WWII.

The Russians wouldn't have been routed. They would have done what they did 125 years earlier when Napolean came a-knocking, evacuated Moscow, taken all the food, and let the buggers starve. What are the Germans going to eat? Mud? Snow? Ashes? That's all the Russians would leave.

So, down to 3 simple facts:

A) The Americans would have entered the war at the slightest hint of a German invasion of the Isles.

B) The Germans couldn't have transported that many troops across the Channel; they didn't have the navy for it. The Royal navy could have smashed them open.

C) The Germans would have just had a slower and more devastating loss if they had breached Moscow.

The Allies had EVERY advantage on their side; Greater numbers, better industry, better technology (the British- American team at Los Alamos, by the way, would just end up having their bombs used on Germany instead of Japan, and there is no way the Germans could have got to the bomb first), better navy.

The Germans COULD NOT have won.