Talk:2010 WCRB report on the Future Geopolitical Outlook (1983: Doomsday)

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1st, the literally; some ideas for future events for this timeline:

French reunification as the 7th french republic sometime this decade.

Geman reuinfication as the German Confederation sometime between 2015 and 2020.

American reuinfication between 2018 and 2023.

Any thoughts? (I'm not trying to do a future history, just butting ideas out their)

Metaphorically, it strikes me that this timeline (or, more specifically, us editors) will not be here forever, so how about a book? a proper, real life book detailing this timeline and everything in it? (again, this is just a suggestion).HAD 19:46, March 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * How do you reunite the entire U.S.? Such a venture would involve massive investment - the power grid, telecommunications, rebuilding the interstate system. Mexico, or the SAC, or the ANZC would almost certainly be involved; I don't think the survivor nations would be able to truly unify in name and in deed by 2023 without that massive infrastructure investment. Also: the LoN would insist on investigating the missile sites for any remaining nukes, and that the new U.S. not use nukes in any manner (would they be able to do so with the new USSR)?


 * And, how big would the new America be? Yank's already said many times he doesn't want Virginia involved, and by his comments I assume he feels the same way for Lincoln. So, a reunified U.S. with independent nations scattered in the midwest, south, Dakotas, and out west might be intriguing. BrianD 14:03, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * I have to agree, an entirely unified U.S. would be out of the question, but one centered around the PUSA would be more plausible, as soon as they loose the provisional title. And since you brought it up Brian, I'll state my opinion on the whole nuke business concerning the USSR. I've been tiptoeing around it from the start, but yes, I do believe they have a sizeable amount of unused nukes and I can't see any way that the LoN could do anything about it. They would just have to agree that they were in reasonable hands and be done with it.--Vladivostok 14:12, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

On second thoughts, Brians suggestion on on a midwest USA with other nations scattered around does sound more plausible. Maybe they would be members of an extended NAU? And i know public opinion does not matter for much in the USSR, but surely their would be a massive revulsion amoungst the Soviet people about Thermonuclear weapons remaining on their territory?HAD 17:08, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nuclear weapons is going to eventually become the biggest issue for the LoN. Everyone knows what nukes did to the world the first time around. Everyone knows that another nuclear exchange is basically Armageddon, with no place to escape. I'm surprised we haven't addressed this already. BrianD 02:15, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe I'm cynical to think that even though people will try to limit or eradicate nuclear weapons, governments will continue to produce them in secret in fear of not having them in case someone else uses it again. Mitro 03:26, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

I don't see Germany reunifying. Bavaria is likely to join the Alpine Confederation, and Prussia and North Germany have different government systems. One or the other would have to completely abandon their system of government in order to unify, so I doubt that is going to happen. I could see it eventually solidifying into Prussian, North German, and Alpine territory. Discussion on Germany

Some of my thoughts on geopolitics:
 * 1) ANZC continues to fall behind South America. There might be a period of competition with nation building in South Asia and Africa, but in the end the ANZC will work with the South America nations.
 * 2) South America becomes the most advanced region in the world. The internet as we know it OTL will happen here. The SAC will continue to integrate.
 * 3) New Cold War between the SAC and the USSR. It will begin with competition over Central America (there is a rather large communist presence there), but spread worldwide. ANZC, the ADC and other nations will be drawn into it. Might even see the return of a nuclear arms race (though it would be very secret).
 * 4) USSR keeps expanding westward. More survivor states end up like Aralia. ADC grows as a result, tensions increase.
 * 5) Sicily is dealt (and probably very soon). Its "empire" is broken apart and a new government comes to power. ADC still has the USSR to contend with.
 * 6) Regional blocs integrate in North America. Confederation of New England is created, Dixie Alliance evolves, the two Texases unite, the NAU expands, the former provisional USA grabs a few new states, etc. Though a reviatalized USA as we know it is unlikely. I think we all wrote the history to a point where that is impossible.

Mitro 23:31, March 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Now that you mention the internet, all I want to know is who invents this timeline's version of the iPad? :) BrianD 02:15, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Mitro's ideas sound a) sensible and b) plausible. and in answer to BrianDs question, i would guess that Ipods and such and such wont appear until around 2022ish. --HAD 09:14, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just wanted to say a couple of things, firstly, of course people aren't happy in Siberia regarding nuclear weapons, but it is seen as a deterrent. Either that or it's simply kept secret for practical reasons, I haven't really decided on that. Maybe it's just a secret that everybody already knows about
 * I was also wondering, is the whole France business building up to some sort of French unification? I mean, what would be an acceptable time frame? Also, is the Spanish Republic going to approve joining with Pais del Oro? And what of the readiness of other Spanish survivor states?
 * And since Sicily was mentioned, what's happening on that whole front, is there a war going on or isn't there? The same question goes for the Saguenay War, is there any consensus on the winners and aftermath of these conflicts?--Vladivostok 14:16, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, the French are moving toward unification. My anticipation is that there will be sincere talks by 2015 about restoration. For the present, the RFTA will be supporting clean-up, restoration, unification. Poitou-Charentes and Auvergne will receive help first, and will unify territory. There will be tension with Monaco and Grand-Andorra because their governments will not want to return "French" territory. This will lead to further discussions, and with these discussions, by 2015, the Seventh Republic will be established, but it will be a very loose Republic and more of a Confederation at first because of the strong independence feelings of the various nation-states that have joined together to restore France. (Including Corsica, IMHO). That's my "Grand-Master Plan" Louisiannan 15:03, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

So we'll have a French 7th Republic by 2015, a trivided Germany and an USA that streches from the Canadian border to the Texan border, including Pasco and Spokane, as well as Lousiana and Piedmont+Blue Ridge as geograpically seperatte but politicaly together (think Kalingrad or Hawei or Alaska?--HAD 16:26, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I see the NAU replacing the US - loose Confederacies seem to be the way things are moving with the exception of the ANZC - the LoN actually was more of a confederative body than the UN, as I understand it. And speaking for Utah/Dinetah - I could see both participating in the NAU, but not the PUSA. Louisiannan 18:06, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

The USA would exist as Part of the NAU i take it?HAD 18:45, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

As for the future of "Britain" I did have an idea for a kind of talking shop among the various survivor state which could at some point in the future develop into something along the line of the European Union in OTL Verence71 21:02, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Idea for article
I think some of the ideas expressed above could be used to write another WCRB report, similar to the one Brian did for the southern US. Feel free to add to the article, I think a good collaborative effort is in store. Mitro 00:48, March 26, 2010 (UTC)