Talk:United States (1983: Doomsday)

State of Idaho
your article states that in 1995, several cities in southern Idaho petitioned to be part of the Provisional US. the History of Utah article says that same year the snake river and cache valley areas voted to incorperate as North Deseret. Other articles also state that most people in the disputed area consider themselves to be part of desert/utah, as it currently administers the area-- also, the area disputed between the two nations is the most "Mormon" part of the state. Did this movement to join the NAU happen in reaction to incorperation in Deseret? at any rate, I can't see a functional idaho state in this area.Desert viking 05:15, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Its mostly border towns/cities that are closer in contact with the NAU then Utah, as you can see from the map. The map of Utah itself shows most of the territory in southern Idaho is disputed. The exact boundaries between the 2 states are very fluid at the moment. Still I should bring this up with Louis, we both need to finalize exactly where the borders of the NAU and Utah are. Mitro 07:50, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

yes, but monteplier is not closer to the NAU than Utah at all---in fact, the area is seen as some as being culturally part of utah. also, the disputed area would form the backbone of northern deseret,-- the other two areas (snake and cache valley) were evacuated during the war with spokane, and were not fully resettled until 1995-- once again, the date that southern idaho simutaneously decides to be part of both the NAU and Deseret, and the area has historically had strong ties with salt lake. there is a case to be made for isolation however. I see two possibilities-- an idependent Idaho that considers itself part of both "organizations" as both claim it and both have geographical difficulties in reaching the area. or a token government, where two opposing petitions were submitted and accepted, resulting in two seperate Idahos that officially ignore each other or regaurd the other as Illegitament but don't see it as a cause for war. I would be happy to create either state, or someone else could if they want. I'm not quite too sure how this whole "caretaker" thing works. at any rate, the issue certainly needs to be resolved, even if it results in an unresolved situation.
 * I think the major issue here is that I did not know exactly where Monteplier. Another editor suggested as a state capital and I thought it was farther north. I'm going to choose Dubois, Idaho instead as the state capital and take closer look at the history of Utah. Mitro 19:19, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

I have given this subject a little thought and have an article that I would like to run here, since if you don't like it I'll have to pull it off and I'm terrible about things like that (I think it was you that cleaned up my last mess). This is an idea for the State of Idaho/ Upper Northern Deseret. if don't like it, say so. IdahoDesert viking 22:11, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

PUSA
at first I was against ths article but it could work Owen1983 16:28, January 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * How can you be against something that was technically a part of canon since before you got here?Oerwinde 20:10, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

Proposed Flags
I designed two flags for consideration by the government of the (P)USA. The first one simply reduces the stars, leaving the stripes to reflect the history of the continuing USA (with hopes of acquiring new states in line with the design of the CRUSA). This would be ideal, but perhaps unrealistic since it is doubtful that some states will agree to rejoin the union. I chose the nine-star design that is best centered in the field with the least amount of editing! Of course, the square could be rotated 45 degrees, but that would mean cutting and pasting single stars. Personally my vision and heart would be for this flag. I don't know about the folks in the ALT Southeast though (not even "my" creation of the Republic of Piedmont).



The second suggested flag would be the same starfield with fewer stripes, reflecting the "new beginning" of the United States in the practically untouched plains states east of the Rockies. That flag would only have nine stripes. The stripes are broader, using a flag with the standard proportions. The appearance reserves the original at first glance but removes the link to 1776 and the rich history of the original USA. I suspect that if the vote were held in the PUSA, the first flag would win, hands down, even though none of the colonies represented by the stripes are currently a part of what is going by the name "USA."SouthWriter 20:51, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting flags South. I think we should hold a poll and see what the votes are. Mitro 20:53, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Well, this is the place, I have one more suggested variant. After reading the whole page, I see that only six former US states "founded" the PUSA. Therefore, to be totally accuate we'd have to have a flag with only six stripes (awkward because it leaves a white stripe on the outside). Here is one form of that variant. It begins to lose a little of the familiar proportions the fewer stripes the flag has. This one might just be for the history purists, wanting to preserve history in the making with the same symbolism of former days. The star field might be adjusted a little, dropping it to leave two stripes below and four beside it. That would preserve the "look" of the original a little. Also a different arrangement of the stars might be used (a square, for instance). Any other suggestions should be added to the poll before you put it up. As in "real" referendems, chose the nominees, and then have the vote!SouthWriter 22:35, February 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree that the 13-striped flag would definitely win: maintaining that connection to the "old USA" would be incredibly important to them.
 * Thinking along those lines... is the PUSA going to drop the designation "Provisional" anytime soon? That would be a good time to drop the 50-star flag and take on a new one. Benkarnell 22:15, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was thinking about that right after South posted his flags. Roughly 15 years after the US disbanded, a new one is declared. Though I wonder if the PUSA government would want it to be symbolic so they would wait until July 4th. Mitro 03:51, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a good idea. Perhaps the president can contact all the other "provisional" governments that are known by the CRUSA and the ANZC to propose incorporation in the new federal government.  Perhaps they may be able to begin anew with thirteen stars!SouthWriter 07:46, February 11, 2010 (UTC)