Talk:Honorary Citizens (1983: Doomsday)

This is an example of the model it should follow (at least in my mind). At the same time, it also shows what NOT to do. Keep it plausible, keep it small. Specifically interact with these people over their own BIO's, since only they would have any idea where they would likely have ended up. Don't do it in a creepy way though. :) Lahbas 23:25, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

So basically like this. I did this thinking about what would have happened to my Mum. Bob 13:49, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

I would probbably be alive in this timeline. My dad was a farmer who didn't do much outside the familiy farm, and my mom finished Med school soon enough to be out of Winnipeg. I have a bit of a weight issue, so I think that would be solved in this timeline with a lifetime of manuel labor and none of the extremely fatty fooods I eat. I'm lovin' It? Not anymore. Yankovic270 21:43, January 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Now why wasn't I notified of this page earlier. A remark I made elsewhere got me sent over here. I will, for sure add myself to this list. I most certainly would have survived the initial blasts. Living in Greenville, SC, with my wife and three small children, we were "survivors" even in OTL. Both my wife and I were working in health care at the time while I was looking for a church that might call me to be a pastor. I lost the job in 1984, we had our last child, and I never did get a call to a church. My wife still works as a nurse, and I am unemployed after 20 years of working in security related jobs. I will add my own bio to the page. SouthWriter 19:29, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

King William?
How does one get "elected" to the "post of King"? And does the "election" of a king create a dynasty? One would think that if a dynasty was established it would have to be by conquest, not election. In US history, talk was bantered about to make George Washington King because of his success in the American Rebellion. Historically, he was within his rights. But a republican democracy prevailed - with some measure of "term limits" (no guarantee of life appointment with elections every four years).

If Washington had become king, he would have had no natural heirs, His stepsons would have become in line -- and Robert E. Lee married a great grand-daughter of Martha Washington my her first husband, making his children "heirs" to the American throne. There is an Alternate history to that affect somewhere.

Anyway, congratulations on being in line to the East Britain throne! I am thinking of getting my father into Jimmy Carter's cabinet when I get back to developing the south Georgia scenario. But I live in another "country" up here in the good old Republic of Piedmont, so my political future is not tied to that scenario. --SouthWriter 16:04, May 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * The idea was that East Britain removed their provisional status and the monarchism which is prevalent in most Britons lead inexorably to the re-establishment of the monarchy. My grandad was elected because *there* like *here* he works tirelessly for the community. *Here* he has no political ambitions but that changed on Doomsday. Bob 08:56, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Alternate People?

 * Could we write about people who would not have been created due to Doomsday happening, but would have a similar creature be born since one or more of their parents survived? This might have been the case for me for while my father was in Fort Knox (lucky him), my mother managed to survive in what is now the Republic of Gainseville. However, since my parents survived, although separated and not yet having met each other, would I, or at least someone like me, be born? Arstarpool 00:01, June 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Honorary citizenship is precisely for existing people who either survived DD or would have come to be after DD. It is for placing these people inside the ALT as you think they would have developed. Alternate people are to be expected, and may be worked into regular articles at will. If for instance, you want to produce a younger version of yourself, AND have the same parents, then you would have to work on getting your parents together. In fact, you could be YOU if you could work out the timing.
 * Essentially, you have to go over the histories of Kentucky and Gainesville and see if there is any way they might overlap. If this can't be "arranged" then your mother would have to marry someone else, and a different version of you would be born (possibly with the same birthday!) Or if you prefer, your dad would have married someone else -- it works both ways. Then again, there could be TWO of "you." :-) --SouthWriter 01:51, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * I decided to go with the "two me's" approach. I guess in an alternate world my name is Arthur Sanchez who lives in Kentucky :) Arstarpool 03:48, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I take it that your mother had some say as to naming you in OTL. Of course, now you can look into an alternate life for your mother, and see how your "other half" would come out. Perhaps the "other you" is the son of a Gainsvillean who helps rebuild the city-state into a world class educational center (the rebirth of the Univ of Florida!). SouthWriter 04:13, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I had thought of that idea on the UF. Going into deeper research, I find that my paternal grandfather was on a Pan-Am flight. I find some distant relatives in Key West, a paternal uncle in Lafayette, Louisiana, and a maternal grandfather in San Juan, Puerto Rico. An maternal great aunt, uncle, and cousin that may have survived in southern Tampa, and paternal great-uncle that in OTL was the Costa Rican president (not lying, Abel Daniel Pacheco), and my paternal grandmothers' entire family. And yes, my name "Alexander" was from my mom, but the fact it was going to be an "A", is a family tradition. Now if you'll excuse me I have a bunch of family reunions to attend to, I have to make the midnight flight from Fort Knox to San Jose, Costa Rica :) Arstarpool 04:32, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * On your mother's I'm seeing the Puerto Rican connection with your grandfather and relatives in Tampa and San Juan. It looks like your mother may have been left safe but cut off from her family. The alumni records for University of Florida of the mid-eighties is in order. The 1983-84 school year had just begun, stranding a lot of students. These students would be the backbone of the new republic in the coming years.
 * Maybe you can look at some of your mom's yearbooks, or even ask her about her life before she met your dad. Father's day weekend is probably not a good time to discuss "other men" with your mom, but take your time. This is just a side trip on the road to getting the "big picture" as we work on this ALT.
 * Here's wishing you fruitful research. SouthWriter 04:47, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * My whole family would've died in the Chicago blasts =P. But my cousins live in Dubuque and I bet my uncle would've been involved in politics. ProfessorMcG 17:42, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * My parents would both have survived Doomsday so am i ok to post a bio about myself in the 1983DD timeline?Vegas adict 17:53, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * That definitely makes you a candidate for this page, Vegas. --SouthWriter 18:56, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * My whole family would've died in the Chicago blasts =P. But my cousins live in Dubuque and I bet my uncle would've been involved in politics. ProfessorMcG 17:42, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * My parents would both have survived Doomsday so am i ok to post a bio about myself in the 1983DD timeline?Vegas adict 17:53, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * That definitely makes you a candidate for this page, Vegas. --SouthWriter 18:56, June 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Haha, nevermind. Both my parents were college-ites in 1983. So they both would've survived going to Iowa State in Ames. Ames is rather close but is it ok to say my parents were smart enough to move away from the fallout area of Des Moines? If so, I get to be born in Iowa! Yay! ProfessorMcG 18:01, June 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * College kids in the eighties - in Iowa at that! Yes, that makes you a farm boy, McG.  It looks like you'd be growing up in the Quad-cities Alliance. --SouthWriter 18:56, June 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Aghh, it's rearly hard to work out where i'd be in the post DD world. I know it would be somewhere in Africa as a great deal of my family would have ended up there (My grandparents on my fathers side were in Eqypt and my mothers Father was on a ship in the Gulf of Aden), I'm edging towards Ethiopia or egypt at the moment although New Britain is a posibility (My parents were on the Isle of Wight).Vegas adict 18:35, June 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not to worry, Vegas, you'd end up wherever your parents did. Since it is more likely that they would have been rescued and taken to New Britain, THAT is where you would have been born and grown up.  --SouthWriter 18:56, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'l go for New Britain thenVegas adict 19:07, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Photo
Why don't we add a small part with a photo. VENEZUELA 21:04, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Unless Ms. Hepburn is related to you, Venezuela, she is out of place on this page. If, however, you want to put up an article about her continued work among the refugees of Europe, that would be an excellent project. I will move her to a page and let you take it from there. I will leave the column for photos, but we'll net to leave it for smaller pictures. I'll put my picture up as an example. SouthWriter 15:45, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * If the rest of the group does not approve of this change - either of moving Ms. Hepburn or putting up photos in general, Please follow this up with some discussion here. I don't mind us sharing "family" photos this way. SouthWriter 16:41, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Cedar Rapids
Sorry, McG, but canon has Cedar Rapids as nuked. You need to take that up on the Iowa discussion page. This page is not a place for editorilizing the fate of a town. Just have your parents escaping to an area that was not nuked. The default choice in Iowa is the Quad-Cities Alliance. SouthWriter 21:04, June 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yea, well I just saw the nuclear strike map. Now I can see that Cedar Rapids most likely would've been nuked. But don't forget about Dubuque. Dubuque has a lot higher chance of surviving than the Quad Cities. The Quad Cities should not be canon the way it is right now. ProfessorMcG 21:17, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, McG, there is a reason this group puts proposals up and discusses them. Right now, in fact, it has a lot more proposals up than it can reasonably discuss! But newcomers have to play by the rules. The "canon" can be changed, but it takes discussion that can go on for weeks with no clear decision. The rules have what is called "QSS" - Latin for "What's written is written." What is being said there is that once discussion has been made and an article becomes "official" changes are very hard to make. It is better to work within the system after the fact. SouthWriter 21:24, June 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Haha, sorry South. I'm not arguing that Cedar Rapids shouldn't be nuked, it most likely would've been so what can I do? But if Cedar Rapids was nuked then how was Quad Cities not nuked? I have checked the discussion page and people have discussed that but no real answer came about. I was just wondering how it became canon with not even having a plausible premise.ProfessorMcG 21:32, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

I was not in on too much of Quad-Cities, but it passed muster. That is QSS for you. Those writing the article came out ahead in the logic department, I suppose. All points on the FEMA maps are not first strike targets, and a list that divided the targets into first, second, and third priorities was unavailable last time I checked. If there is not a major air base near a city, it may very well be secondary, and even tertiary. Strategic strikes are the priority in a first strike. SouthWriter 21:46, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, SouthWriter. Now you've given me a way to prove that Cedar Rapids would not be nuked. I can use the Quad Cities as proof of that. I'll make sure to get the issue noticed. ProfessorMcG 21:53, June 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was going over the list when some recent changes were made. After royally messing up the format - thanks, Smoggy for trying to fix it (I restored the alphabetical order I had established in the edit - I chanbed your place of residence to Dubuque where you said your cousins live,  I am sure your parents would have sought out relatives.  I'm sorry you were not able to convince anyone to "Save Cedear Rapids." SouthWriter 16:47, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

Username/Codename
Could we have a section of the table for the username/codename of the person?

Yankovic270 19:15, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Fictional Me
I would like to make a fictional version of myself, but considering that I was not alive in 1983 and both of my parents would likely die in the hell-hole that was Doomsday Chicago, it does not look good for me. Any thoughts on how I might rectify this situation? Mitro 17:59, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well are you absolutely sure your parents were in Chicago on Doomsday? My parents were living in New York at the time, so I thought I had the same problem; but Doomsday (September 25th) coincides with my Mom's birthday, and it turns out that my parents were actually on vacation in Montauk at the time, so they would have survived. - Mister Sheen 22:51, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * It turns out that my dad was single, young, and in Fort Knox and his Birthday is the 27th I believe. So I'm partially saved. Arstar 23:01, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I checked, they were both in Chicago at that time. Mitro 13:24, October 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Since everyone born after '83 would by definition be a fictional person, you could create a purely fictional person who happens to bear an uncanny resemblance to you. Mike Mitrova is a young attorney in ... wherever. Something like that? @ Mr S, that Montauk thing is awesome, especially since we know Montauk became the core of a survivor state. Although the kid they ended up having would not necessarily have been you - we know that even among survivors birth rates dropped due to radiation and displacement and things like that. But your parents could definitely factor into a storyline somewhere. Benkarnell 14:23, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know, I really got lucky there, I thought for sure I was a gonner! But even if I personally wasn't born; there would at least be somebody like me, as my parents would have survived together, and probably had kids at roughly the same time. Given that "Levi" is pretty much my Mom's favorite name (personally I'm not very fond of it, but whatever), the 'Doomsday me' would probably have the same name, too. - Mister Sheen 17:36, October 29, 2010 (UTC)