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Algorithm Format
This is to make things easy for everyone since I find myself doing a heap of algorythms and its a pain in the ass to flp back and forth with the rules.

Nation X
Total:
 * Location:
 * Tactical Advantage:
 * Strength:
 * Military Development:
 * Economy:
 * Infrastructure:
 * Expansion:
 * Motive:
 * Chance:
 * Edit Count:
 * UTC Time:
 * Nation Age:
 * Population:
 * Participation: 10
 * Recent Wars:
 * Recent Wars:

Maps
Maps will be updated every 5 years.

Map Issues
''' Please address any map issues here. They will be wiped at the start of each turn the map is updated. '''

you guys do realise tha tby not responding you are just furthering my point, right?-Lx (leave me a message) 17:27, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Where are the Australian colonies of Italy and Germany?

                "Fear the power    of the Dark Side of the Force."  22:42, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * the Italian one does not exist, and i'm waiting an decision to see if Australian colonization is possible in the 17th century.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 07:09, February 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * My Texas colony (Nea Larnaka) hasn't been expanded in YEARS even though I've been quite dutifully expanding it by 400sqkm every year, and also my Pontianak colony (Nea Kyrenia) hasn't been added either. Airlinesguy (talk) 10:48, February 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * i haven't checked where is Pontianak.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 14:12, February 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * There was the Nya Gyptios issue again and Thrace and Greece are separate states to Venice. Also Nuovo Milano was not added to the Horn of Africa and there was no border for Nuovo Brescia. And Nuovo Firenze's expansion into Mayan land during their phase of rebellion was also not added AGAIN... I only expanded at half rate for that time too... Scandinator (talk) 11:18, February 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * If Nuovo Brescia didn't had a border, it was a mistake, as well and the Greece-Thrace issue, and i didn't knew where this Nuovo Milano was.But this Nuovo Firenze issue is with who updated the correction for the 1605 map.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 14:12, February 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Novgorod is now in Personal union with minsk aswell...and for a third time:
 * I can name a series of problems with that map's names. fist off, let me thank you for trying. Second, I killed kazan in a war, third, none of my wars make sense if this is true(aka, all algorithms are wrong, and I should have one more easily), fourth, odonsk was founded in 1595, almost 20 years after the supposed balkanization of russia, fifth, syktyvar was founded in 1723 by Peter the Great, and there were settlements in that region near 1680, sixth, the modern capital of nenetisia was founded around 1930. in that region, the only people that would realy live in the 16th century, except perhaps 5000-6000 Novgorodian soldiers around a military outpost, would be the nomadic samoyeds, who would likely have the same relative independance as the first nations did in the americas at this time and around the mid-1600s despite foreign claim on the territory. The Nenets only number in the 40 000 today, after acute population booms, so I woyld place tehm at 5000 people. I do, however, doubt that there would be cossacks with permanant settlemetn around kuban prior to 1696(modern kuban cossacks founded). seventh, Samara was a military outpost built in 1586 by russia for the sole purpose of protecting against nomads, eighth, I doubt that the tatars would be seperate from Kazan, since it was the last true tatar city to exist, and the largest tatar city to exist today, and would have likely been the center of tatar culture if this were to happen, ninth, I believe that the city of kazan would be cituated in the confines of state "syktyvar" or "samara", and the "kazan khanate" would not even have kazan. tenth, the city of syktyvar is the capital of the komi republic, and would be in its confines, according to the map, the problems with that are already stated...sould I continue
 * So I guess that is all...for now...and novgorod has the 4 NPCs directly east I suppose, I will add them later...-Lx (leave me a message) 19:24, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Formosa became a vassal of China in 1599. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 04:07, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

@ Collie: Pontianak is on the western side of Borneo. Airlinesguy (talk) 05:43, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Burgundy-Dutch War
Burgundy
 * Location: 4


 * Tactical: 6


 * Strength: Burgundy(L)+France(M)+Calais(MV) ---0


 * Military: 18


 * Economy: 0


 * Infrastructure: 0


 * Motive: 3


 * Chance: 3
 * Edit count: 2095
 * UTC: 23:25
 * 2095/60*pi= 109.6383333333333
 * Nation Age: +5


 * Population: 7


 * Participation: 10


 * Recent wars: 0


 * Total: 56

Netherlands

 * Location: 5


 * Tactical Advantage: 2


 * Strength: Holland(L)+Flanders(L), Germany (M) ---11/9 ~=~ 1


 * Military Development: 5/2 = 3


 * Economy: 5/2 = 3


 * Infrastructure: 5/2 = =3


 * Expansion: 0


 * Motive: 10


 * Chance: 8


 * Nation Age: -5


 * Population: 7


 * Participation: 10


 * Recent Wars: 0


 * Total: 47*1.5 = 70.5 = 71

Result
((72(129)*2)-1= 12%

The war will last 5 years so the Netherlands may take 10.8% of Burgundy.

Discussion
i know that with this i can take between 25 and 30 % but not sure how much would war last, and by the way i want the war to last enough to take the 33%, so could some mod  (AP - COLLIE OR SCAN) to please finish this algorythm for me, For the Record ap THIS IS NOT A RECONQUEST ATTEMPT, all i want is some more land and my colonies back

That's exactly what a reconquest war is.AP (talk) 02:17, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

i mean not a reconquest of the netherlands just of the colonies who are a mix of burgundian dutch and some italians i don't really care that much for the netherlands Sine dei gloriem (talk) 02:22, February 3, 2013 (UTC) could you fix the algorythm please

The Netherlands were formed in 1593 after they defeated you in a popular revolt so they get a multiplier. I counted 10 turns of military development but one of them was during the war so it didnt count.AP (talk) 02:33, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Also, the Netherlands has two autonomous regions since two countries formed a federation-like country: Flanders and Holland.AP (talk) 02:36, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

i thought collie or scan said federations were going to be treated as one nation, to avoid a new caliphate from occuring Sine dei gloriem (talk) 02:47, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * It was Saamwiil, i think, but this proposal never came into action, and, i still don't understand how this proposal would work.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 07:00, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

It's federation-like. They are basically a union. No matter, they have won the rest of the northern coast and some colonies.AP (talk) 03:01, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

I am joining this war.                 "Fear the power    of the Dark Side of the Force."  07:05, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, France is bringing all the firepower to this war, so don't forget our help. Stewdio333 (talk) 07:45, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * You already are represented.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 13:32, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Punishment of Aragon (1602)
Germany Total: 57
 * L ocation: 3
 * Tactical Advantage: 5 (larger colonial empire), 1 (attacker)
 * Strength: Brandenburg (L), Austria (S), Scandinavia (S), UKBT (M), Wettin Lands (Saxony M, other states 3*S = 6, +9) = 20/4 = 5
 * Military Development: 28
 * Economy: 0
 * Infrastructure: 0
 * Expansion: 0
 * Motive: 3
 * Chance: 4
 * Edit Count: 9412
 * UTC Time: 21:22
 * 2*1*2*2 = 6
 * 9943/6 x pi = 5206.142...
 * Nation Age: -5
 * Population: 6
 * Participation: 10
 * Recent Wars: -3

Aragon
Total: 16
 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage: none
 * Strength: Aragon (L +4) = 0
 * Military Development: 0 (new nation)
 * Economy: 0 (new nation)
 * Infrastructure: 0 (new nation)
 * Expansion: 0
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 2
 * Nation Age: -10
 * Population: 6
 * Participation: 10
 * Recent Wars: 0

Result
((57/(57+16))*2) - 1 = 56.16%

44.73 * (1-(1/(5*2))) = 42.12%

Aragon is punished. We restore the Brandenburgish ruler as the overall ruler of Aragon, although they have their own legislation and stuff. (Vassal, basically.)

Discussion
I tried to be generous to Aragon, but I think I did something wrong.

                "Fear the power    of the Dark Side of the Force."  21:35, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

what 17 * 1.5 = 25.5 = 26 means?--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 21:47, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

And why would a kingdom in northern Aragon be called Spain? Fed (talk) 21:57, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Now, if in this, he takes the Valley of the Aragon, the country won't be even entitled to call itself as such anymore.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 22:13, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

The Aragonese overthrew a tyrant, and Scraw couldn't do anything with Aragon to begin with. Let them go. Yank 22:16, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Btw, back when I still had control over Aragon and Navarre, I made them into one, Aragon. 1490s-ish.

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Bavaria did state that aid would be sent yet we are not on the algorithm?Andr3w777 (talk) 19:28, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Added, thank you. :)

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DeanSims Again
DeanSims is abusing the civil war to be able to control more than one nation. Yank 01:29, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Yank chill, its my own civil war and i very recently controlled the Ottomans and Crimeans, the Ottomans/Romans as main nation and Crimea as a vassal, I can therfor control both the Ottomans and Romans. And why do you constantly keep calling just me out? (DeanSims: Talk) 20:27, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

As long as you do something to stop the Muslim rebels then you get it back. But Crimea has rebelled away, it is no longer your vassal. When your nation changes religion so suddenly, the other religions are going to rebel away because they want to be in charge. Beat them in a war and its yours again. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 20:42, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

OK, i will destroy the rebels and reunite the Kingdom of Rome! (DeanSims: Talk) 20:45, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Arabian federation
Total: 35
 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: (colonial empire & attacks adv.) +6
 * Strength: Arabian federation (L), Comchellak (MV), Rajaputana (M): 9/7 = +1
 * Military Development: 4/3 = +1
 * Economy: 20/3 = +7
 * Infrastructure: 0
 * Expansion: -1
 * Motive: +3
 * Chance: +3
 * Edit Count: 6373
 * UTC Time: 14:41
 * 1*4*4*1 = 16
 * 6373/16*pi= 1251.33562383
 * Nation Age: -5
 * Population: +7
 * Participation: +10
 * Recent Wars: -1

Persia
Total: 32
 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: (high ground) +2
 * Strength: Persia (L), Azerbaijan (M): 7/9 = 0
 * Military Development: 3/4 = 0
 * Economy: 3/20 = 0
 * Infrastructure: +3
 * Expansion: -2
 * Motive: +5
 * Chance: +5
 * Nation Age: 0
 * Population: (8+2) +10
 * Participation: +10
 * Recent Wars: -5

Result

 * Arabian victory
 * ((35/(32+35))*2)-1 = 1%
 * 1% of Persia's 27,142 pixels is 271 pixels.
 * Arabian federation wins 271 pixels from Persia.

Discussion
Note Arabian federation only wants parts of the Persian coastal regions. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 21:50, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Do any of my allies want to help me? <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:32, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

At the moment you get only a measely single percent. In other words this entire affair was completely pointless.Yank 23:09, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Not really, I only wanted a bit more land. Why do you keep getting involved? Has it anything to do about you? Your predispositions are really starting to worry me. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:42, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

All the Rajput's help gets you is an extra four percent. This war was started because your sultan got pissed off because his pet traitors were exectuted by the Persians.

1600 map
I take it Collie's is the actual map & Scan's is going to be updated & become the named map right? Anyway where is that that named map I promised (well its numbered), so here you can now go and make the named map for 1600. 52-54 - Those 3 states are now part of the Sultanate of Sindhustan, this map hasn't been updated to show this.
 * 1) BohemiaPrincipia_Moderni_II_Map_1599_numbered.png
 * 2) Poland (Christian kingdom)
 * 3) Prussia
 * 4) Lithuania
 * 5) Minsk
 * 6) Kingdom of Galicia–Volhynia
 * 7) Slovakia
 * 8) Kingdom of Hungary
 * 9) Duchy of Árpád (vassal of Romania)
 * 10) Kingdom of Romania
 * 11) Bulgaria (former Principality of Silistra)
 * 12) Kingdom of Ukraine? (Former grand duchy of Kiev)
 * 13) Smolensk
 * 14) Grand duchy of Chernigov
 * 15) Zaporizhia (Cossack nation)
 * 16) Kingdom of Donbass
 * 17) The Cossack Principality of the Kuban.
 * 18) Adyghe confederation
 * 19) Georgia
 * 20) Armenia
 * 21) Chechnya
 * 22) Azberjian
 * 23) 23 is now part of Nogai khanate
 * 24) Nogay (vassal of the Nogai khanate)
 * 25) Nogai Khanate
 * 26) I seem to have missed this number out of the map
 * 27) Republic of Nenetsia
 * 28) Komi Republic
 * 29) Kazan khanate
 * 30) Republic of Obdorsk
 * 31) Republic of Syktyvkar
 * 32) Khanate of Sibir
 * 33) Samara
 * 34) Tartar Republic
 * 35) Bashkiria
 * 36) Khanate of Cosapact
 * 37) Kazakh Khanate
 * 38) Akmola
 * 39) Zunghar Khanate
 * 40) Khanate of Mangystau
 * 41) Xwarezm
 * 42) Khanate of Almaty
 * 43) Dimurat
 * 44) Badakhshan
 * 45) Uyghur Khagnate
 * 46) Qoyunlu Empire
 * 47) Persian Empire
 * 48) Kingdom of Baghdad
 * 49) Kuwait
 * 50) Khafji Sheikdom
 * 51) The Arabian Caliphate (rump state successor to the Mahdiate/Hashemete caliphate)
 * 55 - Punjab

Anyway there you go Scan, now make the named map. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:43, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Von. Now to harrass people to update the territories page... Scandinator (talk) 00:16, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

I can name a series of problems with that map's names. fist off, let me thank you for trying. Second, I killed kazan in a war, third, none of my wars make sense if this is true(aka, all algorithms are wrong, and I should have one more easily), fourth, odonsk was founded in 1595, almost 20 years after the supposed balkanization of russia, fifth, syktyvar was founded in 1723 by Peter the Great, and there were settlements in that region near 1680, sixth, the modern capital of nenetisia was founded around 1930. in that region, the only people that would realy live in the 16th century, except perhaps 5000-6000 Novgorodian soldiers around a military outpost, would be the nomadic samoyeds, who would likely have the same relative independance as the first nations did in the americas at this time and around the mid-1600s despite foreign claim on the territory. The Nenets only number in the 40 000 today, after acute population booms, so I woyld place tehm at 5000 people. I do, however, doubt that there would be cossacks with permanant settlemetn around kuban prior to 1696(modern kuban cossacks founded). seventh, Samara was a military outpost built in 1586 by russia for the sole purpose of protecting against nomads, eighth, I doubt that the tatars would be seperate from Kazan, since it was the last true tatar city to exist, and the largest tatar city to exist today, and would have likely been the center of tatar culture if this were to happen, ninth, I believe that the city of kazan would be cituated in the confines of state "syktyvar" or "samara", and the "kazan khanate" would not even have kazan. tenth, the city of syktyvar is the capital of the komi republic, and would be in its confines, according to the map, the problems with that are already stated...sould I continue-Lx (leave me a message) 03:15, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Orissa
Total: 37
 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: (attacks adv.) +1
 * Strength: Orissa (L), Vassal 1 (MV), Vassal 2 (MV), Rajputana (M): 11/4= +3
 * Military Development: (7x2) 14/5 = +3
 * Economic Development: (3x2) 6/5 = +1
 * Infrastructure Development: (3x2) 6/5 = +1
 * Motive: (Social Kinsman) +7
 * Chance: +6
 * Edits: 9765
 * Time: 21:50 = 10
 * (9765/10)*pi = 3067.76522623
 * Nation Age: -5
 * Population: +6
 * Participation: +10

Bengal
Total: 38
 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: 0
 * Strength: Bengal (L): 4 = 0
 * Military Development: (5) 5/26 = 0
 * Economic Development: (5) 5/6 = +0
 * Infrasturcture Development: +0
 * Motive: (Survival) +10
 * Chance: +5
 * Nation Age: 0
 * Population: (6+2) +8
 * Participation: +10

Result
Pending

Discussion
Its a new algorithim so some aspects might be wrong. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:05, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah a fair bit of stuff was wrong, I fixed it now. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:44, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Wait, the idustry is meant to be halfed I'm pretty sure. :/  Imp (Say Hi?!) 08:55, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

It says so in the rules... Imp (Say Hi?!) 08:58, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

idustry? If you mean economic development & military development, remember that you player nations get 2 points for each year of development and NPCs only get 1 point for development each year. Hence 1 is half of 2. The NPC built up its development for 5 years for each development type, meaning it got 10 points for military, economic & infrastructure development each. This 10 is then halved to give you 5. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 14:35, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Oh come on. Bengal has become a backwater, how can they be waging a successful war against Orissa? I spent ages and ages on all three. Could I change it, cause I have been spending turns on economic and industrial growth? Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:44, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't say it has become a backwater, no mod events have established it as one. But seeing how it used to have a large empire then it lost it all, it still has that capacity for empire so is still strong. Besides those are the rules and we can't just change them and only follow them where it does us a favour.

I'll allow you to compromise and the war can be a draw and things remain the same. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 12:40, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Ok *(sighs at a useless war)*. Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:14, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Australian Colonization
This is implausible, at least until 1700 or so. It wasn't worth it to the Europeans or anyone because of the desert. AP (talk) 04:30, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

Save the coastal regions.

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Yes, but if you go into something that it's ten miles normal and then from then on desert you're not going to colonise it. Fed (talk) 17:09, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Honestly colonizing Australia at the time now is not worth it for any European or Asian country. One, it is too far away at maintainance costs to protect and expand the colony would be a lot higher than in the Americas and Africa. Two, there are very few resources and growing areas. Colonies will need to import food if they start on the West, North or South Coast. Only the South East can host a self sustaining colony and that is after it expands inland far enough. In the meantime they would still need food imports. Scandinator (talk) 10:49, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Scan put it very neatly. Australian colonies can not become self-sustaining until after decades of life support from the mother country. Australian colonisation does not work the same way as American colonisation. In America, you just drop off the colonists and they can build a self-sustaining colony in minutes. And if they do need assistance, it takes like a month max to send a ship from Europe to America. It took a year to go from Europe to Australia in 1788. It would have taken a ridiculous amount of time to get there in 1610. And again, I reiterate the main point, Why Bother when there are sooo many more profitable and closer places to colonise? I am Saxony, so I don't have vested interests in colonies, I merely put this out there because it is completely implausible. The Dutch didn't colonise otl, and they were the colonial masters of the time. Why would anyone else do it TTL? Callumthered (talk) 11:03, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for putting my points more clearly. As an extra example. The Dutch were VERY active in our area but they decided to colonize Indonesia instead as the Indonesian archipelago is so much more profitable and much easier to control trade with than Australia. Also Australia's most valuable commodities have no uses in the 17th century expect for coal and iron. But why bother with a year long journey to transport it back when there are sources in Cornwall, Alsace-Lorraine, the Ruhr and Northern Italy.Scandinator (talk) 12:54, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Notice
It is quite likely that I will be quite busy/inactive over the next few weeks (this applies to the past week as well). 77topaz (talk) 04:58, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

Scandinavia

 * Location: 2


 * Tactical: 6


 * Strength: Scandinavia(L)+Saami(MV)+Portugal(S)+Leon(S)+Castille(S)+New Georgia(MV),14/4--- 3.55= 4


 * Military: 30/3 = 10


 * Economy: 0


 * Infrastructure: 0
 * Expansion:0
 * Motive: 3


 * Chance: 7
 * Edit count: 2112
 * UTC: (05:09)
 * 2112/45*pi= 147.3706666666667
 * Nation Age: 5


 * Population: 7+10


 * Participation: 10


 * Recent wars: 0

Total: 64

Mombasa

 * Location: 5


 * Tactical: 0


 * Strength: Mombasa(L)--0


 * Military: 3 = 0


 * Economy: 3


 * Infrastructure: 3
 * Expansion: -1
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 0


 * Nation Age: -5


 * Population: 6


 * Participation: 10


 * Recent wars: -1

Total: 30

Result
(64(94)*2)-1 = 36.2%

(36.2%)*(1-1/(10)) = 32.5%

Discussion
Can New Georgia realistically provide military aid in this war?

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You can edit your own algorithms, not anybody else's. You're not a mod, so quit acting like one. And yes, they can since they are a legitimate nation that is under protectorate status. Besides, you used Vinland on several algorithms.108.214.113.122 03:49, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

A: Anyone can edit an algorithm.

B: I didn't edit it.

C: I only used Vinland in wars in North America.

D: New Georgia is in Canada. This war is in Africa.

Do you see where I'm getting at, anon?

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Most people forget the dividing the winner's score by the loser's score rule. I'll get at the rest of them later, but for now Scandinavian Africa begins in Kenya!AP (talk) 04:00, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think they (New Georgia) can help militarly.supplies, maybe.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 11:19, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

I read the event closer and it states that Mombasa annexed its neigboring city states and their hinterland(Lamu and Malindi).AP (talk) 02:34, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

You have to the time thing:

p * (1-(1/(x*2)))

Where p is 34% and x is how long you fight.

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German War into Africa (1609)
Germany Total: 43
 * L ocation: 3
 * Tactical Advantage: 5 (larger colonial empire), 1 (attacker)
 * Strength: Brandenburg (L), Austria (S), Aragon (MV), Navarre (MV) = 10/4 = 2.5 = 3
 * Military Development: 28/3-- 9
 * Economy: 0
 * Infrastructure: 0
 * Expansion: 0
 * Motive: 3
 * Chance: 4
 * Edit Count: 10036
 * UTC Time: 03:19
 * 1*3*1*9 = 27
 * 10036/27 x pi = 1167.741...
 * Nation Age: -5
 * Population: 16 (6 digits, +10 because the population is 5x that of Bonoman's)
 * Participation: 10
 * Recent Wars: -5

Bonoman
Total: 38
 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage: none
 * Strength: Bonoman (L +4) = 0
 * Military Development: 3--0
 * Economy: 3
 * Infrastructure: 3
 * Expansion: 0
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 1
 * Nation Age: 0
 * Population: 6
 * Participation: 10
 * Recent Wars: 0

Result
((51/(51+38))*2)-1 = 21.4%

Discussion
Might as well get a leg up over the other powers.

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The Bonoman have been around for quite a while, they are not a new nation...108.214.113.122 03:47, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

It's -5 for ancient nation.

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 * Anyway, the Bonoman have been around since i stopped expanding Cabo verde.which would mean somewhere around the late 1400's and the early 1500.which would make their nation age be 0 or +5.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 06:52, February 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it was in 1516.0.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 06:54, February 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Your recent war score alo is five, according to the algoryhtm up there that said that the Aragonese war would last 5 years.but i might be wrong.And when your nation is about 5 to 19 years old since your last government change, you get -5 on nation age.And your last government change was in 1590.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 06:59, February 11, 2013 (UTC)
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 * Even though the Bonomans existed before, until the 1516 event, the area was divided into so much kingdoms that it was in dark grey.the unification counts as a government change, i think.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 07:05, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Since when do we divide the military scores?

Also, is it possible for me to switch the attacked nation?

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Apparently the rules dictate it. I don't think you can switch the nation attacked, just to be fair to the people that have wanted to switch the nation when they were losing. Who were you planning on switching it to anyway?AP (talk) 04:10, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Kongo, actually. Decided that it would be more valuable.

Scraw 22:43, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

And then their nation age would be +5.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 11:21, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, forget it then. ;)

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Bavaria
Total: 47 (*1.5 for Luxembourg = 70.5 = 71)
 * Location:4
 * Tactical Advantage: 1 (attacker), 2 (high ground)
 * Strength: Bavaria (L), Nassau (MV), Luxembourg (L), Austria (MV), Navarre (S)= 14/4 = 3.5 = 4
 * Military Development: 6/3 = 2
 * Economy: 2 = 0
 * Infrastructure: 0
 * Expansion: -1
 * Motive: 3
 * Chance:7
 * Edit Count: 2,204
 * UTC Time: 04:08
 * 2204/32 x pi = 216.377194
 * Nation Age: 0
 * Population: 17 (7 digits, +10 because the population is much larger than Palatinate)
 * Participation: 10
 * Recent Wars: -2

Palatinate
Total: 48
 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage:
 * Strength:Palatinate (L +4) = 0
 * Military Development: 3 = 0
 * Economy: 3/2 = 1.5 = 2
 * Infrastructure: 3
 * Expansion: 0
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 7
 * Nation Age: 5
 * Population: 6
 * Participation: 10
 * Recent Wars: 0

Result
(71/(71+48))*2 - 1 = .1932 * 10 = 19.32%

Discussion
Can someone come along to correct what is wrong and fill out the parts i don't know? It would be much appreciated.

~ Andrew

Luxembourg joins this war, and Austria provides military aid now. Supplies from Navarre.

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Portugal
Total: 48
 * Location:1
 * Tactical Advantage: 1 (attacker), 5 (larger colonial empire)
 * Strength: Portugal(L), Castille (MV), León (MV) = 8/4 = 2
 * Military Development: 16/3 = ~5
 * Economy: 14/3 = ~5
 * Infrastructure: 0
 * Expansion: 0
 * Motive: 3
 * Chance:7
 * Edit Count: 3843
 * UTC Time: 21:00
 * 3843/2 x pi = 6036,5702838728
 * Nation Age: 0
 * Population: 7+2 = 9
 * Participation: 10
 * Recent Wars: 0

Gujarat
Total: 35
 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage: 0
 * Strength:Gujarat (L +4) = 0
 * Military Development: 3 = 0
 * Economy: 3 = 0
 * Infrastructure: 3
 * Expansion: 0
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 0
 * Nation Age: 0
 * Population: 7
 * Participation: 10
 * Recent Wars: 0

Result
48/83 - 0,5 x 2 = 0,1566265060240963855421686746988

Portugal can get 15,6% of Gujarat.

Depending if the war lasts 4 or 5 years, Portugal can get 13,65 or 14,04% of Gujarat.Since Gujarat has 3756 pixels, Portugal thus can get either 513 or 527 pixels.

Discussion
So, since it would be near impossible to find population statistics for Gujarat on the 17th century, i started to research Indian historical demographics, and comparing Gujarat with the whole of India, i came to the conclusion that Gujarat's population in 1610 would be roughly 4 million people.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 09:56, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

A religious movement
Could I have a new religious movement begin in Orissa? It will be basically based around a simplified version of hinduism. So out of so many gods, we will only have the main three and the god of luck (the elephant god), along with the god of money and good fortune (Laxmi, the elephant god's wife and the reason for Diwali). Would that be fine as we already have a Kreppanlits (or however you say it) movement in Europe? :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 12:42, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Anybody at all? Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:23, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Most of the other mods that might tell you something will be active in some hours.i don't have a an opinion on this, so i'll leave this to somebody else to decide.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 19:30, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Principia Moderni II.I
Since the map game looks fun and all, people want to join it, but at the same time it is like over a hundred turns in, so if somone could create maybe another one that goes on during this one, that would be grrrreat Daxus Inferno (talk) 14:14, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

I dont think that is necesary, von made sure that all anyone acomplished was destroyed by the mahdiate...everyone basicaly has to start form scratch. So the game is realy only 25-35 turns in. almost all alliances and states were superimplausiblevendettabalkanized-Lx (leave me a message) 15:38, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's an awesome (not at all) unbiased statement. Fed (talk) 19:18, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * but you do have to agree that the mahdiate basicaly did make everyone restart their entire nations' things, either because balkanizatoin or long ass war.-Lx (leave me a message) 23:22, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

There is no problem in joining the game while it's going on.You just have to make sure that what you say about your nation doesn't contradict in-game reality (or is implausible).the third Castillian player, and the former Cornish player used to do it.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 16:46, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Resignation
While I really hate to do this, but this semester's already too hectic for me to handle, and I doubt I'll be able to play a lot for the next few months. As such, I think it's time for me to retire from the game.

I assume that decades (or centuries if they're lucky) from now, the Papal States are likely to be taken over or reformed in some aspect. All I ask for the sake of the citizens is that they get to retain some of their rights and land (i.e. not being totally assimilated), and that the Papacy continues in some form, LOL.

It's been fun, and I'll pop in from time to time to see how the game's going. I hope to be able to play PMIII, whenever that starts :D. Regards, ChrisL123 (talk) 23:06, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Join the crowd, lol.

Although I don't plan on leaving the game anytime soon. Hope to see you again later!

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