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Algorithm Format
This is to make things easy for everyone since I find myself doing a heap of algorythms and its a pain in the ass to flip back and forth with the rules.

Nation X
Total:
 * Location:
 * Tactical Advantage:
 * Strength:
 * Military Development:
 * Economy:
 * Infrastructure:
 * Expansion:
 * Motive:
 * Chance:
 * Edit Count:
 * UTC Time:
 * Nation Age:
 * Population:
 * Participation: 10
 * Recent Wars:
 * Recent Wars:

Maps
Maps will be updated every 5 years.

Map Issues
''' Please address any map issues here. They will be wiped at the start of each turn the map is updated. '''

I missing my 20% of Sundabang (war finished 1649). I'm missing the vassalisation of Oudh by Bihar (1648). I am also missing Mataram's expansion into Sundabang before the war as well as the incorporation of the Orissan Rajputs into my nation (happened 1647). Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:21, March 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * First, i had not noticed how many years that war would take, your vassalization of Oudh was too fast, and i didn't notice the last one.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 22:45, March 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok. I thought 5 or 6 years was enough, but ok. And Ok. :P [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:56, March 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * So didn't see.because i thought you spent only two turns.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 06:58, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

You did Russia and Novorossiya(Texan colony) wrong another time. I own those three bloody little "states" and you did novorossiyan expansion wrong! why do you keep doing russia completely wrong and ignoring my previous corrections  every single time.  I'll fix it yet again because you seem to get out of your way to screw with russia's borders and revert it to how you  want them to be not how they should be. -Lx (leave me a message) 21:28, March 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * You know the problem might lie with you posting after every turn finishes. Food for thought. [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imp (Say Hi?!)21:31, March 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * There is still the question of what's the limit of when war results can be coupled.Forty years seems unlikely.but your expansion on them wasn't added because of forgetfulness, in fact.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 22:45, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

I am confused where my nation, the Somali Sultanate is. In 1645 the Somali Sultanate was on the coast of the Horn of Africa, now in 1650 it is in inland Horn of Africa. I was wondering where the location of the Somali Sultanate is. This is UglyTurtle, Signing off. 23:38, March 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Somebody warned me that your nation was in the wrong location.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 06:58, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * So it is on the coast, correct? This is UglyTurtle, Signing off. 16:38, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * No.you are understanding it wrong.when i put your nation on the littoral, people warned me that it was in the wrong location.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 08:57, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah it's inland then. Thanks for clarifying! This is UglyTurtle, Signing off. 00:14, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

And in addition to the question above, I would also like to state that I do control Adal. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 01:31, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't know when your war would end, and i don't know what's the time limit for the results of two wars to be coupled.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 06:58, March 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * 30 years is the time limit. The first war began in 1618 and ending in 1622, gaining 16.7% The second war began in 1646 and ended in 1649, gaining 21.8%. Totaling it up gives us 38.2%. Taking 1622 and the beginning of 30 years, 30yrs should end in 1652 - 3 years to spare. Plus, Viva stated that he would make "the rest" into a vassal - therefore I would guess that 40% of the Nation is added onto Ethiopia and the rest is made into a vassal, right Viva? :P [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:08, March 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yup. Flag of the Hurian Federation.png Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 20:17, March 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * So Collie, 40% of Adal is part of Ethiopia and the rest is a vassal. :D [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:19, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Isn't Scraw meant to have Austria too as it is in a personal union with his nation since 1590? And it hasdn't been shown on the map for some reason? Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:18, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * No.he said that when Austrai's player had left, he left the nation to whoever was the Emperor, but since the HRE has been dissolved, nobody controls Austria.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 11:32, March 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah. So Scraw's gonna need to marry whoever's on the throne to get Austria I'm guessing? :L [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:35, March 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * i don't think so.First, Austria is Catholic, and i would guess that his religion would be almost protestant.Even if he tried, it would be a relatively slow process.Not a thing of four years like he did with Brunswick.and i'm not sure whether the Austrian succession rules would allow that.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 11:51, March 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * I told you already, before the HRE collapses, I married the heir of Austria to the heir of Brandenburg. Then their son took over as the Habsburgs were decimated when you invaded Castile.
 * Austria became Germanic.

16:54, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * This is becoming a confusing thing.When Mawilda (was that his name?) took over Castille, he started to try to control Austria and its associated states and Castille at the same time.then people, and i think that some mods were involved, started to say that he couldn't control those areas.This would mean that it would happen the same thing as in OTL: Austria and Castille enter a dynastic union the strict sense of the word, not the "so loose to the point it becomes another thing entirely" sense they use on the rules.I guess the remaining Castillian Habsburgs would stop claiming the Austrian throne.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 08:56, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Quick question: why aren't you expanding the land gained from Bonoman?

17:38, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

How come im not on the map(Sudan) ive been here for eight turns now Sir DeliDog the Twenty-second (talk) 22:51, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * I have to think of a new color.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 08:56, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Saxony, Hesse and Magdeburg (excluding a tiny enclave of the actual town of Magdeburg) have all merged into the "United Monarchy of Saxony, Hesse and Magdeburg". Anhalt is still a semi-independent vassall. Could you please fix the borders accordingly? Thank you, Callumthered (talk) 08:37, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't notice this one.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 08:56, March 25, 2013 (UTC)\
 * I didn't really publicize it much, it's merely making official the virtual union of the three states under the Saxon crown. More of a name-change than anything else. Callumthered (talk)

Okay someone has removed my enclave just north of the Netherlands, I bought that land to help me colonize. Where is it?Andr3w777 (talk) 16:10, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

the Netherlands had no player, you couldn't buy it from them.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 21:04, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Well I did have them puppetised, before it was said it was implausible (cmon, the Scandinavians are in Bengal 100 years before the Brits!!). Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:35, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

You have to realize how ridiculous it is for an Indian kingdom ,who by the way has not unified the area yet, to puppetise a major trading power like the Netherlands. Seriously.AP (talk) 05:51, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

And you need to see how bad it is you guys have puppetised kingdoms 100 years before the British and you have less people than them. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:18, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Dude, you're still a backwards far off country. You have to realize that power does not work vice versa. You pale in the shadow of great European powers like Venice, Scandinavia, and Germany, who have Rambo navies and clone populations. Orissa, on the other hand, is still subject to religious conflict, internal strife, and other problems, while the Netherlands has no problems whatsoever and could not be physically dominated by any country at this time. Even if Germany tried to subjugate the Netherlands, it would be implausible because they are nearly on par.

21:18, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Yipee! Time to shatter some arguments.

And yet each of those nations would lose to me. Why, becuase my leaders are the best in the world. I too have a navy which only China might be able to rival, and an army which I don't even want to get into. Fine, I have religious conflict, but so do all the European powers (yeah, the Germanic Church counts, so does the Italian one). Internal stife? Are you trying to make me laugh? And what other problems? If my citizens have problems, they pay and move to the colonies, new Orissan territories, the puppet, or the vassals. I have brilliant literacy rates (for the era), a large growing merchant class (bigger than Venice for the obvious reasons) and a great navy.

I am not a power to be taken lightly. Especially not with my gaining superiority on the subcontinent. Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:43, March 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Subcontinent ≠ the world. 00:36, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

The problem is he thinks he's more important than he really is.. He can claim to be all he can but the only thing that backs up what he says is the population bonus. Even then they're still inequipped. Most of his population lives in rural poverty and that can't be feasibly changed by any government of the era. So you want all of us to believe that everything about your country is amazingly good? This Indian wonderland is a just a dream. AP (talk) 00:04, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

India vs Germany algorithm
Total: 00:36, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Germany
 * Location: +2
 * Tactical Advantage: +5
 * Strength: Germany (L), Mysore (MV), Bone (MV), Luxembourg (M), Spain (MV) = 1.08 ~ 1.1 ~ 1
 * Military Development: +20 - +30 (given the time)
 * Economy:
 * Infrastructure:
 * Expansion: -1 (or -0 given the time)
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: X
 * Edit Count:
 * UTC Time:
 * Nation Age: +5
 * Population: +7
 * Participation: 10
 * Recent Wars: -6 (-0 at given times)
 * Total: 47 to 65 + chance = following statement
 * 48 > Total < 74
 * Orrisa
 * Location: +4 (regular German invasion probably from Mysore)
 * Tactical Advantage: +0
 * Strength: Orrisa + four vassals = 12 ~ 0
 * Military Development: +20 to +30 (given time)
 * Economy: +0
 * Infrastructure: +0
 * Expansion: +0
 * Motive: +5
 * Chance: X
 * Edit Count:
 * UTC Time:
 * Nation Age: +0
 * Population: +7 (7 digit population)
 * Participation: 10
 * Recent Wars: 46 to 56 at given time
 * GERMANY PWNS.
 * Recent Wars: 46 to 56 at given time
 * GERMANY PWNS.

Labelled Map


So I was bored and updated the labelled map. BTW this is as of 1630.AP (talk) 01:10, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

How do you put the subtitles on it? so i could make my own maps later.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 07:16, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

There are some mistakes on that map in terms of territories, e.g. Comchellak is much larger and Arabia own all of the Tanzanian spice islands. But other than that it is good. Also Comchellak is a vassal of the Arabian federation and its full name is the Republic of Comchellak. VonGlusenburg  (talk to Von!) 11:46, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

Its a great map. Just Bijapur is part of Orissa proper so it would be Orissa to. But great map. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 13:53, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

For Japan, there's a misspelling. It should be Mononobe, not Monobe. -Kogasa   2013年3月09日 23:06:13 (JST)

Thanks so much. It looks awesome! CourageousLife (talk) 16:28, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

I just fixed all of the things you guys pointed out.AP (talk) 22:42, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

Religion Map


Since Callumthered had asked me what was the situation of Catholicism on Europe, i went to do a coloured map of this.it got big, so now this became a incomplete world map.dark blue represents Kappelists, blue represents breakaway churches, light blue represents Catholicism, light green represents Nestorianism, green represents Islam, and yellow-brownish represents orthodoxy.it is still incomplete.Obviously, this is political too, as some nations will have some state religion, but the population will follow other one.Anyway, i don't know the Arabian Federation's state religion, to start with.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 07:48, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

The Arabian federation doesn't have a state religion, its dominantly Islamic though. Many branches of Islam though, but I'd say Sunni or Ibadi Islam to be dominant. VonGlusenburg  (talk to Von!) 11:51, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

There would be a lot more ortododox wrong...-Lx (leave me a message) 19:30, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

What do you mean?--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 08:36, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Well, Russia is very wrong on that map. just look at the russia I made, and then you will see the real face of orthodoxy. you did your annexations horibly wrong. you made moscow a seperate state, and now Minsk is not longer in personal union. You should realy use my map, because at this point I think you just want an excuse to piss me off so you can purposefuly get me banned.-Lx (leave me a message) 23:07, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

<p style="font-size:13px;">The latter is not the case.in fact, i sometimes think that Scraw is being implausible just to have something to complain about, so he can get me to quit.We might be able to work this out, when it comes to Minsk.are you a hereditary monarchy?--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 08:48, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

<p style="font-size:13px;">Russia has an old novgorodian style Elective Monarchy. The Tsar was a firm believer in Russian unification, and once he gianed the title of Tsar of Minsk through marriage, since he wanted at the least unified russian realm under one Ruler, and he did not want his efforts to be in vain when he died in case his son did not become the next Tsar(elective monarchy) so he had the two Crowns linked, although he kept the title of duke of minsk to his own family, the title of Tsar of Minsk and Tsar of Novgorod and Russia were linked. I find it is good logic, but If that's too complicated you can consider it like an act of union/annexatoin and ignore the part about a seperate Duma being built in Minsk.-Lx (leave me a message) 20:32, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

<p style="font-size:13px;">Yes, this sounds like a good logic.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 21:27, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

<p style="font-size:13px;">Just saying, but shouldn't Bijaur be hindu? Considering I have expanded my influence there and introduced anti-muslim laws and the Trimurts have been converting people like crazy? :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 07:52, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

<p style="font-size:13px;">Update time? Imp (Say Hi?!) 13:38, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Discussion (Continued)
You can't mass produce coal... There is no process to coal other than dig out of ground and then burn... Scandinator (talk) 00:38, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Fine.......be like that......

00:45, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

I'll continue my petition, see Industrialization in Archive 8 CourageousLife (talk) 01:52, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Mataram/Orissa
Total: 70
 * Location: (5+3)/2 = 4
 * Tactical Advantage: 6
 * Nations: (Orissa (L), Mataram (LV), Godavari (MV), Bundela (MV), Bihar (M), Oudh (MV), Rajputana (M)) 18/4 = 5
 * Military Development: 22/1 = 22
 * Economic: 8/1 = 8
 * Infrastructure: 0
 * Expansion: -(9+7)/2 = -8
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 8
 * Edits: 5864
 * Time: 19:38 = 216
 * (5864/216)*pi =85.288422
 * Nation Age: 0
 * Population: 28
 * Participation: 10
 * Recent Wars: -8

Lampung (Tulangbawang)
Total: 35
 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage: 0
 * Nations: Sundabang (L): 4/18 = 0
 * Military Development: 1/22 = 0
 * Economic: 1/8 = 0
 * Infrastructure: 1
 * Expansion: 0
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 8
 * Nation Age: -5
 * Population: 6
 * Participation: 10
 * Recent Wars: 0

Result
Coalition Victory. ((70/(70+35))*2) - 1 = 0.3333333 (Damn it!!)

Coalition can claim 33.3% of Tulangbawang. War lasts 3 years - finishing in 1653, allowing the Coalition to claim 27.8% of the country. The territory is added onto Mataram.

Discussion
Your location score should be an average of both coalition member's scores. E.g. (4 + 1)/2 = 2.5 - 3 --<font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 23:27, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:29, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Vassals can't lead wars.AP (talk) 05:53, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

And another correction.you led three wars on the last 15 years and helped on one.one of the wars youled lasted 5years, the other 5 and the other 2.so your recente war score is -14.Obviously, if Orissa is the leader, and you did your editcount wrong again.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 07:35, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

The two phase war was actually 4 years, yet two would be taken away as it was a simultanious invasion. Then there was indeed a 5 year war. And then I helped for 2 years. So -9. Imp (Say Hi?!) 12:53, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

No. Your war with Malwa, which started after 1636, lasted 6 years.Then there was the war with Tondo/Namayan/Maynilla, which started one year before your war with Malwa, and which you leadered, and which also started after 1636, and then your first stage of the Sumatran war and your helping of Ethiopia on the war against Adal.supplies sent do not count.only military aid. So, -14. Or better, we could sum the recent war and expansion of both your leaders, to avoid trouble.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 15:55, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Yes but the Ethiopian/Malwan war were at the same time, and it only says -1 per year, not per war. Yeah, the second part makes sense (you mean adding them and then dividing by 2 right?). Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:50, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * So you would have -8 on expansion (-6 (Mataram)+-9 (Orissa)/2).--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 20:08, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Collie could you respond please? Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:03, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

I was responding until your edit provoked an edit conflict and delayed this reply.anyway,...:

"Every year of war in the last 15 years that you fought as a leader is -1."

Yes, this description gets very vague on this situation.but i would assume that two simultaneous wars would end like two points for an year, after all your army would be very strained by the quantity and distance of wars. like a two-front war.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 20:07, March 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think that should depend on population. I have enough people to field a couple small armies so they won't be as fatigued. [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:14, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Well, not if you have two or three armies. XD  Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:11, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * But OTL, in the Second World War, would Russia have stood a two-front war, even with their population?--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 20:56, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Ok Collie, I have ended the war. Could you give me the link to the page where we can see our main edits so this confusion does not arise again? :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:31, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Editcount

--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 20:56, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

You were right all along. However, COULDN'T YOU HAVE SHOWN US THE PAGE BEFORE, lol XD  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:07, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I never thought that linking the page was an option.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 21:55, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Well, it does make life a lot simpler. I think it might be useful having the link on the rules page (in the edits part of the war algorythm). It will benefit all users. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:57, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

And on a different note, would Orissa have managed to take over Khandesh completely by now? :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:58, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Scandinavia
Total: 67
 * Location: 2
 * Tactical: 6
 * Strength: Scandinavia(L)+Saami(MV) = 6/4 = 1.5---2
 * Military: 16/2--8
 * Economy: 14/2---7
 * Infrastructure: 0
 * Expansion: 0
 * Motive: 3
 * Chance: 7
 * UTC: (05:46)
 * Edit: 1523
 * (1523/120) x pi = 39.8720468
 * Nation Age: 5
 * Population: 17
 * Participation: 10

New Georgia
Total: 22 x 1.5 = 33
 * Location: 5
 * Tactical: 0
 * Strength: New Georgia(L)---0
 * Military: 2(existed for 2 turns so far)---0
 * Economy: 2---0
 * Infrastructure: 0
 * Expansion: 0
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 2
 * Nation age: -10
 * Population: 5
 * Participation: 10

Result
(68(102.5))*2-1= 33.8%

Disucssion
So, were you trying to conveniently forget that the motive factor existed?--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 07:18, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

I did forget that. Anyway New Georgia's population is around 50,000 and since it has existed for 2 turns only, it can only have 2 turns of military and economy. Also whoever did chance messed it up.AP (talk) 17:27, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, there is a rule about chance that says the editcount counts only the edits made on the main articles, not all the edits, and i saw that about 40% of your own edits are on talk pages. Obviously, i'm trying to enforce this rule, because nobody uses it, and the probably might be because that some players don't know how to find their numbers.because when i tried to enforce this rule in the Prussian/-German war, Imp asked me how he did to find his number, for example.My edit was a correction of your first version, which used the total number.And another thing: Dif you do anything with New Georgia before independence?The point is that if you did nothing, so they would have only 1 point on economy and infrastructure.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 19:47, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Why is there three copies of the same algorithm? I'm deleting two just as a heads up.AP (talk) 17:35, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Checking the page history, It was Andr3w.He apparently went to talk about the algorythm of his own war, and somehow he tripled the quantity of algorythm of this war.must be something with his iPad.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 20:12, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

I'm on an iPad is there anyway someone could put the algorithm up for the Bavarian invasion of tyrolia? I can't do that here and have no clue when I'll have access to a computer.Andr3w777 (talk) 16:00, March 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll get on it for you. :D [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:11, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

?
The talk page is blank is it just me or is everybody having this problem?AP (talk) 17:33, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Just this morning i had the same problem.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 19:36, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

I've not had this problem lately but I have experienced it in the past. It just means that we should archive some more of the page is all. That will stop it happening again for a while, but it is basically random but the bigger the page, the more likely it is to happen. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 20:09, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think so.this page has been cut down to size recently.Just 50.000 kb, while the Mian page is 365.000 and it seems like it never happened again.When it happened to me, i went to the edition window, submitted my edition without having changed anything, and the thing went back to normal.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 20:15, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Same problem a while ago.

21:15, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

I just archived the page a week ago............ But yea... Just exit and reload the page and it should be alright. Scandinator (talk)

Bavaria
Total:?
 * Location: 4
 * Tactical Advantage: 1+5?
 * Strength: (Bavaria (L), Salzburg (MV)
 * Military Development:14
 * Economy:?
 * Infrastructure:?
 * Expansion:?
 * Motive:?
 * Chance:
 * Edit Count:
 * UTC Time:
 * Nation Age:?
 * Population:?
 * Participation: 10
 * Recent Wars: 0
 * Recent Wars: 0

Tyrolia
Total:
 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage: 0
 * Strength: (Tyrolia (L)): 4/? =
 * Military Development: 3/22 = 0
 * Economy: 3/8 = 0
 * Infrastructure: 3
 * Expansion: 0
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: ?
 * Nation Age: 0
 * Population: 6
 * Participation: 10
 * Recent Wars: 0

Result
Bavarian victory.

Discussion
Just doing this algo for Andrew as he requested someone to do it for him as he cannot edit that well. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:18, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

I appreicate your help Imp, can you figure this out? I really don't have time to.Andr3w777 (talk) 01:03, March 28, 2013 (UTC)