Talk:Kingdom of Cleveland (1983: Doomsday)

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I moved this here.

Small thing on the name: reading on Wikipedia, it seems that the name Cleveland was assigned to the area only in the 1970s, and as of 1983 the area was still Cleveland, not Tees Valley. So there's no need to change the name by vote, since it would have been the current name. Of course, WP may be wrong, or I may be misreading.

I see you've already made a flag. I made this one before I saw yours, so take it or leave it. This flag is simplified the county's coat of arms. It would be blazoned Argent, a lion rampant crowned and collared Or incensed gules. Yours is definitely more colorful. Benkarnell 21:43, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Cleveland has been in use in the area since the Danelaw (approx 1000 AD) Cleveland is from the Norse Clefelanda meaning Cliff-land, of which there are many in the area.--Smoggy80 15:48, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

The background colours of the flag are from the flag of the former kingdom of Northumbria of which the area was part of the southern boundry--Smoggy80 15:48, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

I've used the lion as a part of the new flag, thanks--Smoggy80 15:55, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Wow I was thinking Cleveland, Ohio for a second :D Mr.Xeight 21:36, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I love the new flag! Above, I wasn't disputing that Cleveland was the old name (although it kind of looks like I was). I was pointing out that the people would have no need to vote to change it, since in the 1980s it was also being called Cleveland, not Tees Valley. Benkarnell 12:25, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Northumbria
Since according to the list of cities hit on the New Britain article as well as the nuked areas map, other than Newcastle, the majority of the old Northumbrian territory is untouched. It would be interesting to see Cleveland unite most of the old Kingdom of Northumbria and perhaps restore it. The flag is already in use, and the territory is likely in need of some authority and stability.Oerwinde 19:55, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

I had already begun planning this discovery and unification of the kingdoms, hopefully this will develop over the next few weeks --Smoggy80 18:34, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

i have started writing a Kingdom of Northumbria (1983:Doomsday) page to link into Kingdom of Cleveland page--Smoggy80 16:58, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Economic and military partnership
Hi, wondered what people thought about a proposed economic and military partnership agreement between Cleveland and the Celtic Alliance? With the emergance of New Britain it might be a way of Cleveland maintaining independence from the Alliance and the monarchy of New Britain which may claim rights through King Andrew? Mjdoch 16:56 September 22, 2009, (GMT)

An alliance vote is due in May 2010, at this point, if as expected the joining of the two countrys is turned down, then a lesser agreement may be decided on, as for New Britain being a problem i dont think they will be as they've shown no interest in returning to the former UK to this point, plus they've got enough problems in Africa.--Smoggy80 16:19, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Problem with succession
According the Kingdom of Cleveland article when Zara and George succeed to their prospective thrones Cleveland and Northumbria will become a single kingdom right??

However that article also states that if Zara dies without issue then the throne of Cleveland passes on to her adopted brother Martin

What happens if Zara and George succeed to their thrones and unite the kingdoms but then Zara dies before give birth to any heirs?? Would the kingdom then seperate again and Martin become King of Cumbria?? I understand that with Zara expecting her first child this is unlikely to happen but it would be best to prepare for any legalistic eventualities Verence71 18:48, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Likely upon the unification of the crowns under Zara and George, parliament would likely enact some sort of union act uniting the nations legally. Succession would be worked out from there,Oerwinde 19:19, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

As the united kingdom's rule of succession states that Zara and George's oldest child would become heir whatever their gender, it could be that the line of succession after them would follow the same rule and would be as follows:
 * 1) Princess Mellissa Jane Percy (George's sister)
 * 2) Prince Max Ralph Percy (George's brother)
 * 3) Prince Martin (Zara's 1st adopted brother)
 * 4) Prince Jordan (Zara's 2nd adopted brother)
 * 5) Princess Michaela (Zara's adopted sister) Verence71 10:56, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

The kingdoms would remain seperate until the deaths of both Zara and George (as long as they have surviving children as the eldest would be the uniting monarch) however if they die without children (say tomorrow they die together in a house fire or something) then the kingdoms would remain seperate.

Martin would become King of Cleveland and Max would become King of Northumbria (as they still have the primogenator rule - males come first) and as there is no Kingdom of Cumbria and the former county has no political or royal affiliation with either Cleveland or Northumbria there would be no royal claim to the area (unless it joins either Cleveland or Northumbria in the future)--Smoggy80 18:48, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining all that. The mention of Cumbria was a typo on my part :) Verence71 08:54, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Trade
Woodbridge would be interested in buying iron and steel and wind generators from Cleveland. Is there anything Cleveland is particularly looking for tradewise?? Verence71 19:10, May 12, 2010 (UTC)