User talk:Saamwiil



Qzu
Hello. I signed up for your map game, Qzu, and I was wondering, when does it start. Also, could you explain the rules a little bit more clearer. Also, I would recomend adding more technologies to the chart.TacoCopper

hey, how do you create a profile thing for a nation or allaince like wikipedia, you know, where it has alll the basic information of that allaince or nation? DeanSims 16:53, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thank you. May I also add some technologies like archery, agriculture, and bronze. I can add more on the talk page if you want.--TacoCopper 16:58, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

whats the code, and whats qzu? DeanSims 16:59, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

oh, ok. can i be a mod on it? DeanSims 17:22, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

i want to be able to play the game, but can i be a mod that doesnt casue events in the game but can revoke bad posts and stuff like tha? DeanSims 17:42, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

CAN I BE A MAPMKAER THEN, all I do is edit and update the maps. DeanSims 17:47, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

sorry, china was huge compared to the toher city states, having 5 provinces adn i didnt edit that, so that should be changed then.

Hey, Sam. Are you still playing Qzu, and if so, what does power stand for?

TacoCopper 17:26, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Why did you attack Italy?

Also, we had 9/11 in 1999. Called the Triple 9 Disaster against the world superpower: the European Federation. The only other superpower is Japan.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:08, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

I know, but why Italy?

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:36, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

Neither Italy nor Hungary is as powerful as the European Federation or Japan. Only world superpowers right now.

And stop controlling other nations.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:05, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

PM II
Which one are you controlling?

Wait.

Again, I come here because you signed your name on the player list for PM II. You apparently signed as Ag Qonyulu. However, the name is repeated, as in the start of the section, there is other Aq Qonyulu.So, there are the states of Q(K)ara Q(K)onyulu and Aq(k) Q(K)onyulu.See first line of the thread.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 08:26, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, seeing Wikipedia, i gotta admit that you're right.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 06:52, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

PMII
Ehh... I'd love to accept, but I'm playing as Muscovy, not Novgorod. The Royal Guns (talk) 13:03, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, you said i was Novogorod.

Sure, alliance accepted.

The Royal Guns (talk) 12:34, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

no you cannot have the empire in the game Proud Leader of the Althistory Revolution (User talk:DeanSims)

^DeanSims says here that you cannot take control of the Ottomans. I switched it back to how it was earlier with Ag Qonolu or whatever being your nation. You can still change it until you actually post, but you can't take someone else's nation LurkerLordB (Talk) 20:47, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

What game was he talking about then? I can't see any other thing on his talk page about you asking him to play as any other empire in any other game. LurkerLordB (Talk) 21:54, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

The "Proud Leader of the Althistory Revolution" thing is his signature, not a map game. "the game" he mentions is Principia Moderni II. LurkerLordB (Talk) 22:04, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Principia Moderni Map
You are not an official mapmaker, you are not permitted to upload the official year map, especially one that is totally inaccurate for everything but your own nation. That's why I deleted the map you uploaded. LurkerLordB (Talk) 15:45, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

Once Collie uploads the map you can edit your own nation. LurkerLordB (Talk) 15:49, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

Then the war will last until I get the land promised from the equation with the Mamluks added. But my biggest goal is to improve my infrastructure and economy so then I can attack Castille later with more force. Do you think me surviving will change the formation of Spain? Willster22 (talk) 00:48, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

But to get better military you need to have better infrastructer and economy. A nation with shit infrastructure and economy would not be able to support a large army. Willster22 (talk) 00:55, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Howbout the war lasts two years then I get 315px then I will look much more intimidating on the map.

It can be like the Holy Roman Empire but what would the caliph's responsibilities be. I don't want to be forced to not attack anyone outside the empire because the crown rule is max(sorry i play ck2 might be some refs) Willster22 (talk) 22:27, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

what do you mean by ck3 i have never heard of it. i meant crusader kings 2 Willster22 (talk) 23:14, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Well we've just got an alliance with one another so we need to sour relations a bit rather than just go all out you betray an ally. Plus you might was well let me take over as much land as possible before you invade and take me over.

Anyway you don't have to message me on my talk page, I always check my watch list for pages which have had new edits since I lasted visited, so I'll notice anything what happens on that DME page. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 18:10, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Yup. Fed (talk) 00:55, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

I had a good idea so I decided to have Oman attack you. Basically Oman is going to use its army in an attempt to re-unite the Bedouin tribes under Omani rule as a puppet/vassal state, from which shall be used to attack Aq Qoyunlu with. The Omani effort to unite the Bedouin is going to be quite violent in nature, so your Desert State will be the nicer alternative for the Bedouin to join. You eventually win the hearts of most the Bedouin and your Bedouin Desert State leads the charge to attack Oman proper. You could then win a great naval victory against the superior Omani fleet, similar to say the victories of. With the navy and army loosing a lot, the Omani Imanate assassinate the Sultan of Oman, and establish the Imanate of Oman, a vassal state of Aq Qoyunlu. This way your desert state is formed much more easily too & you vassalize Oman. Thoughts? VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 17:27, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

You realize I have had Oman attack you now? A mention of you fighting with Oman in your posts would be nice.... VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 01:18, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

I suspose, but to be honest most of this isn't a diplomatic union, rather a relgious one. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 01:32, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Its pretty comprehensive. Add the bit about the military and make it conplusory for states in the caliphate to contribue some troops to the caliphate's war efforts (the national army that is). If I think of some more stuff I'll tell you but you've done a very good job so I don't think I'll come up with much else. --VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 12:53, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Unite a few more Muslim nations under the rule of the first caliph. Then some other nations (e.g. we fight over the Ottoman empire). But its however long it takes to unite the Muslim nations. So maybe 10-20 years? Not too sure. We just have to start doing all the other stuff now VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 23:44, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Well Oman is now under the control of the Imanate, and you hold some control over Oman, but the new Emirate of Shaybah is still pretty free. The Imanate will pledge intelligence to the Caliph easily enough as long as you continue to spread Allah's will. Shaybah will join to if you help them expand their control over the southern Bedouin tribes and give them money to help them build their nation. Basically as long as the Emir of Shaybah and the Omani Imanate retain a certain degree of control over their respective territories, then they'll pledge intelligence to the Caliph. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:43, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah they have. Your occupation need not last long, the Imanate aren't the most conquering rulers. Also just give Taimur some financial aid and he'll pledge allegiance too. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 10:12, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Also if you helping the Crimean Khanate out, I think you should also help out the Ottoman empire. Your nation and vassals (like my nations) would give the Ottomans a large enough boost so that he doesn't loose loads of Greece to the Christians! If we're lucky this move by them and our support will convince Dean to properly join up to our caliphate ;) VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 23:59, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

I'm really not sure how to write that in pixlr, so if you could fix it up for me, it'd be great. Fed (talk) 21:35, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

The page I use to edit CoAs with non-latin alphabets (it's in pixlr.com ). If you can't edit pages well enough, could you write down the shahada divided in two rows and copy it in my talk page, please?

Thanks! Is this better off? Fed (talk) 21:49, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

Iranians
The Federation of the White Sheep Turks currently has a problem: their nation is currently comprised mostly of Iranians. This is a problem, as eventually, maybe in a couple centuries, but still eventually, the Iranians will revolt. Now, the obvious solution would be harsh assimiliation combined with semi-genocide to make all of the area Turkic, but I just don't think that it would work. The Iranians survived centuries under the Caliphate, only to have the Saffarids become independent. The Iranians in OTL, even after being ruled under the Turkic Ghaznavids, Seljuks, and Khwarezmids, and the Mongol of the Il-Khanate and the Timurids and the White Sheep Turks themselves, still reestablished their independence and reasserted their culture, despite the absolutely devestating losses they suffered. The Iranian identity is strong, with a strong history, and very large. I find it doubtful that it will be destroyable.

So, what does this mean? Your nation can't lose the Iranian areas, I fear, without totally collapsing, unless you have by then conquered another, mostly Turkic area (or an area inhabited by a weaker, easier to destroy/assimilate ethnicity) to survive. You could, I suppose, let yourself get Iranianized to the extent that they don't need to break away. You could also, if you have conquered a large enough portion, establish some dynastic union between the Iranians and Turks. Or, you could always just have the Iranians take most of your territory when they revolt, then assume control of the new Iranian area. Or you could have another marvellous solution which you can send me on your talk page! (now, remember, this won't happen for maybe a hundred years if you don't do something stupid or lose a war really badly, so we have time for you to conquer somewhere or to come up with a good solution) LurkerLordB (Talk) 00:20, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for getting into this discussion, heh, but maybe if you'd like I could have more Syriacs move into Mesopotamia to counter the Iranians there, and then have the Dual Khanate expulse a large amount of Uzbeks/Kazakhs/Azeris southwest. You'd still have an Iranian majority, but it'd be much more watered down (especially in Mesopotamia and the border areas) so that the possibilities of major Iranian revolt are far lower. Fed (talk) 00:25, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Pricipia Moderni II
I tink now is not a good time, i can see a war is coming betwen you and the holy roma... i just get this kingdom and at least need a decent army to save my own territories, i wont atack the califat you have mi promise, maybe we can do a trait for mutual benefit, like help in small battles or comercial agreements, what do you say? Quiari (talk) 23:10, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

Any Christian nation converted to Catholicism voluntarily is ASB. In fact, Christian-to-Muslim or vice-versa conversions were very rare by the modern era, the only major examples of people switching between those two religions that I can think of are the Granadan conversion to Catholicism and the conversion of the Bosnians and Albanians to Islam, all three instances occuring due to occupation by another nation. LurkerLordB (Talk) 23:22, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

I cant convert now, all other nation will crushme, i can help you like an ally, but not been a part of you Quiari (talk) 23:46, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

Umm... I never promised you protection. I promised you a truce. As in, I won't directly send troops against you. What are you talking about Poland Lithuania?

The Royal Guns (talk) 18:23, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't attack them just yet, but don't trust them not to attack us. Also posted a new map for the provincial borders. I split up Qoyunlu into Iraq, Persia, East Qoyunlu and West Qoyunlu. Tunisia and Libya are the two provinces rather than 3 as per your suggestion. Rumelia and the Ottomans in Turkey are split up, but I can't show them on the map. Also made the borders a less straight too. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:11, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Willster22 (User talk:Willster22) 21:51, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Can't annex nations without an algorthim
 * 2) The Castille player didn't really want to attack me
 * 3) All the christian nations near me had their eyes set on something else

You don't get my point. The Ottomans were a threat as a Player Nation and an NPC Nation. If I was an NPC Nation I would be annoying but not a threat, and you don't know I'm supporting the rebels only people who know I'm supporting the rebels are the rebels. Willster22 (User talk:Willster22) 22:06, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

You do know the map-makers reason for making me part of the Caliphate is for saving colors. Has nothing to do with your no algorthim nonsense. Willster22 (User talk:Willster22) 22:14, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Check my discussion with Collie on the talk page for the game. She is a mapmaker and said that I am not conquered and I am an NPC Nation until I came back like now. Willster22 (User talk:Willster22) 22:22, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Seeing how your attacking the cossacks and the dual khanate has split up; I think we should attack Morrocco and the Timurids next. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 23:36, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

DME Province changes
Hey just to let you know that we have re-organised the provinces in the Caliphate. Have a look at the new province list here so you can see which provinces you now post as. Basically we've split up Qoyunlu and Circassia into multiple provinces now. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 11:57, October 7, 2012 (UTC)

Si, me gusta mucho amigo, ojala que pueda mantenerme mucho tiempo aqui =) Quiari (talk) 01:41, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

Si, veo eso, es que tambien el califato es muy grande y peligroso, no se si esopuede crear un desbalance en el juego o tamboen lo del imperio ahi en medio de alemania, pero si esos 2 gigantes luchan seria algo muy complicado, ademas que a estados mas pequeños y no alineados es dificil hacer algo en el juego; salvo que esten fuera de europa como china y korea y japon. Pero vamos a ver como avanzanb estas cosas, tu como lo ves? Quiari (talk) 01:57, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

Gracias por tu intencion, pero yo planeo unirme al sacro imperio, asi que tu y yo seremos enemigos si es que llega a pasar una guerra. Ellos me quieren atacar porque venecia les ha hecho creer que yo tengo una alianza secreta con ustedes para atacar al sacro imperio, jaja, todo eso es por que yo me fui a serbia y el se puso a llorar como una niñita diciendo que ese le pertenecía, llamo a todo el mundo, hasta a su familia creo y les empezó a ofrecer todas mis tierras! lol Ahora yo me salgo de serbia y me voy a bosnia y es capaz de decirme que eso tambien es de él. es el colmo, algunos jugadores piensan que el mapa entero es de ellos, pero en fin que se hace... ustedes mucho repiten sus post, no les diran nada los mod? creo que esa vaina estaba medio prohibida, no? una pregunta: esos territorios que se han separado de ustedes, los de crimea marruecos y argelia, ustedes ya no intervienen ahi no? por que si yo busco una expansion en mi propio contienente no la tengo facil, eso me obliga a irme a lugares un poco más lejanos... Quiari (talk) 23:35, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Ya veo, pero de todas maneras yo tengo un puesto en Crimea, si ustedes tiene una guerra ahi no creo que se vea afectado mi puerto, es más que todo para comercio. en africa siempre quise la costa norte de marruecos, eso no intervendria con la salida hacia el oceano pacífico que estan buscando ustedes no? además el reino de granada esta bajo suprotección?, pues estando en españa no creo que sea parte de su esfera de influencia, yo conversando con su jugador he conseguido un puesto militar en almería y si el no entra en unos dias empezaré a convertirlo en mi vasallo para conservar la unidad territorial, pero justamnete no quiero despertar ningun casus belli XD. Quiari (talk) 15:08, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Ya veo. Si, le preguntaré a Fed como es eso del norte de áfrica, espero que no me haga guerra por Marruecos. Si tambien entiendo que es un juego, aunque algunos jugadores son difíciles de llevar. Por otr lado Francia es demasido grande para atacarlo, derrepente unos años más adelante y dependiendo como esten mis fuerzas y mis vasallos podría iniciar un acercamiento hacia allá, pero por ahora es muy dificil. Lo más facil que veo seria Granada, por que además ya estoy instalado ahi. Ustedes no intervendrían ahi no?, espero que no... Quiari (talk) 22:43, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

The southernmost 318 pixels includes a border with the Timurids, cuts Sind off from the sea, and still borders the rest of the Caliphate so that we can supply it. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 12:39, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

Not sure if I'll have the time to play another map game, I'm struggling to just with PM2 at present. I respectfully decline, thanks for the offer though. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 11:09, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Also what we going to do about Granada being attacked? They are surely going to ask us for some aid but I say we use this to force them to join the Caliphate. Then again perhaps we should just stay out of this war, unless our contributions can make a difference to the outcome. Hmmm, I'm not sure. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 11:21, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Well the provinces fighting the Timurids wouldn't be allowed to help in European conflicts anyway, unless a lot of time was given to get them to get their troops over there. Plus they'd need a pretty good reason to, a minor conflict wouldn't get them involved.

Still not sure what to do about Granada. I mean its you, Dean & Fed's decision on what to do with it. My provinces wouldn't be allowed to help unless I had a lot of time & good enough reasoning to facilitate this action.

Plus you might want to expand Iraq to the south a bit too. I don't plan on dividing that area completely between Nejd and Shaybah. I'll have Nejd claim sovereignty over the entire Nejd (i.e. the bits we don't control) and in the next provincial map I create, I'll have the mock borders in uncontrolled black Arabia shown too, with the claimed territory in a lighter colour. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:03, October 15, 2012 (UTC)