User talk:NuclearVacuum/Archive 3

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I do figure that the poll is legit, though those that voted probably held no understanding of the matter.

As when I voted against it originally, I have to doubt that they would ever rejoin.

The attitude evident in the area can be shown by the outright refusal to hold the 1991 referendum speaks for itself, in my mind. The voting in Armenia that did go on was also almost 30% against it - not even in the Baltic (admittedly, that was mostly Russians voting, but I believe it would have been the same in Armenia) was the "no" vote that big of a percentage.

But, besides that, Armenia atl would be much better off than in otl. They have no war to fight, or occupation to deal with. Nor would they be treated internationally like that are otl (well, besides Turkey - that genocide would be a little hard to forgive). Basically, it will/would avoid all of the problems they faced in the 1990s.

As I've said before - I think - Armenia may ally with them in some form, probably merely hosting radars, etc. for the USSR, but anything past that is probably unlikely.

Ignoring all of that, Georgia....

Armenians at least view Russia favorably - the Russians, through history helped/aided/protected/freed them. Georgians, however are the opposite - they were not freed, bu effectively conquered. People tend to not forget that. Them rejoining is really just not going to happen.

Lordganon 00:48, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

Well, as you surely noticed, that 1992 state was a complete work of fiction by the Armenians.

The problem with the Kurds, even compared to the Crimeans, is that almost none of them lived there. At least the Crimeans made up part of the population in Crimea in 1992 worth mentioning, and in addition to that they had a organization/structure ongoing in exile so they could really start returning. Most groups were so diluted that this was difficult - the Kurds are one of the more extreme cases - but the Crimeans, among a few others, were not.

The Kurds returning is one that could happen eventually, but..... not anytime soon.

Lordganon 01:38, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry about my actions when I was talking about the Nasser of Arabia timeline (the part I called LG in). I never meant to hurt your feelings nor harass you. RandomWriterGuy 16:24, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

Confused
I kinda looked at the flag you added (I look at every one added), and I think there could be a cresent there. Just me thoughts. :D Imperium Guy 22:21, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

UAR State Flags
I got some flags for a few of your UAR Republics:

Now I want to list of few things: Enjoy! RandomWriterGuy 23:02, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) These pictures I did not create. They came from the internet (but I was not able to find one for Wahat though)
 * 2) You don't have to accept these flags. It's just a suggestion.

Re:re:UAR Flags
Apparently, all I did was type the words Saoura and Khaleej (not together lol) and that was what I got. RandomWriterGuy 01:44, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

Google Images, nothing else more simple. RandomWriterGuy 02:23, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

For the UAR flag, there was no cresent. Most muslim countries in the Middle East and Maghreb have a cresent in their flag. :D Imperium Guy 10:42, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

RWG
Thought you should know that I've blocked him again, for more of the same. He really just fails to get the point, you know? Lordganon 20:30, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

As I said, entirely fails to get the point. Sigh.... Lordganon 07:45, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Map?
Here's a map which you could use for the nations of Venus thing maybe? Its mainly had the colours changed!! :D Imperium Guy 22:50, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Oops, my bad. See, I'm forgetful + stupid (not a good combination and I'm only 13), I get your point, loud and clear. However, I would just like to ask about the deletion of the FSI, New Florida and Leda maps, I thought they were fine. :/ BTW, do you think I got this right? :D Imperium Guy 21:57, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Ok. I could try and get my point across but its your timeline and its up to you. Well, I have nothing else to say. Imperium Guy 16:29, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

I know
I know you are (really) pissed off at me but I need to ask you think because you know more about communist countries than anyone else I've met on this wiki. How many African countries were communist or aligned with communists in the golden days of communism? Imperium Guy 16:33, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Clarification
Thank for asking me again. I herbye pronounce you caretaker of this entire timeline and all things thereof related to this timeline. If there is anything else you need please ask. Bobalugee1940 21:22, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Deleting Pages
Saw you deleted the one page earlier - nice to see someone else do it, lol - and I figured I'd let you know that we're really supposed to wait three days after the tag is added, unless it's really offensive or something, before we delete pages. Lordganon 08:13, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

No worries, Nuke. Perfectly fine, lol. Think it's the first one you've ever done, anyways xD Lordganon 09:55, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

13FS
Hey Nuke, I just wanted to let you know that if you need any help with the Canadian part of the timeline, I'd be glad to help. Also, were you thinking of keeping the flag of remnant-Canada as it is on the Canada article? I've got a few ideas for one but it is your timeline so if you don't want to hear it that's perfectly fine. :P ChrisL123 20:42, December 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Aha, it's fine I just thought you didn't see it. And I guess you misunderstood, heh, by "Canada" I meant TTL "Borealia," I just didn't know what you were going to call it before you changed the map. But if you already made one that's fine. ChrisL123 21:51, December 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's all good, I've been busy myself. And oh gosh, is it really? LOL I thought it was a wiki-wide thing, I feel so bad now. I used it in my new timeline too, heh. If you want me to remove it that's perfectly fine.


 * Second thing, that works perfectly fine actually. I looked over the names that Canada would have used instead of Canada and they were downright terrible, Borealia works perfectly. I, unfortunately, won't be able to help out on 13FS for a little while, until this Christmas rush is over and all. But good luck on it (and RWG, for that matter). ChrisL123 03:07, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Nuke, Please Listen
Please forgive me. I was not trying to harass you, but somehow, what I did what I thought was not harrassing was harrassing. Because of the troubles, I do not think I should work with you anymore because everytime I contribute, trouble always comes. This has been proven for days before my ban.
 * 1) Sorry about those ideas. By the way, you were never like this before. One time, when I gave a few ASB ideas (Pashtunistan, Christianity, NATO and CSTO, etc.), you were n't even angry at all. Why have you changed?
 * 2) I did not work on the timeline. I was letting you take the lead. Beside, I was just backing you up.
 * 3) Sorry about that. The reason I did it was because you greatly relied on LG for help, so I thought I bring help over.
 * 4) Forgive me. It was an honest mistake.
 * 5) Sorry. I did not know I was not allowed to do that. (At least you could have put a notice there, especially in the culture section of the Soviet Union page in the New Union).

RandomWriterGuy 00:38, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Canada (13 Fallen States)
I have some ideas for the nation of Canada in 13 Fallen States. --Yank 01:04, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Independance Date- since one of the side effects of the POD was that the French Revolution failed, the would-be revolutionaries would flee into exile into Canada and Louisiana in around 1798 (after the TTL successful counter-revolution). They would ferment resistance in the colonies, culminating in the Second French Revolution of 1812.
 * Leader Title- I'm partial to calling the Canadian leader the First Consul, which was what the last semi-democratic leader was called before Napoleon and the Bourbon restoration.
 * English Nationalism- I like the idea of there being an "English Nationalist" movement, similar to the OTL Quebec sovereignty movement of OTL. Presumably it would be in a province closest to the nation of Norland/Vesperia (because I don't like reusing names). It would be appropriate if Borealia was instead the name of the province in question, and of the proposed independant state.

I guess the idea does seem silly when you really think about it. Then why don't we directly copy the Cajuns? Where did the majority of British settlers to Canada come from? Because we can use that to create a corrupted community name like how Cajun was a corruption of "Acadian". They'll have their own distinct form of English, as well as a uniquely accented form of French.

Yank 17:46, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

:)
Happy Birthday Nuke! =) Lordganon 07:01, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

New Union
A new user made a proposal for this timeline, Nuke. Thought you'd like to know, if you didn't see it already.

Here it is.

Lordganon 07:42, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

13 Fallen Stars
I gave your timeline a POD, I hope its allright:

1787: Bitter Britsh Loyalists take matters into there own hands and assassinate George Washington on the way to the Convention from his temporary residence in Philideplhia. The Convention falls apart as Washington is not their to keep it together and help compromise on certain issues. With the hopes of a United America under one strong constitution, the states begin to rip at eachother in the Articles of Confederation based Congress, causing tensions between some of the states and eventualy leading to the "United States" collpase a few years later.

hope you find it acceptable

DeanSims 20:43, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

sorry, it said contributions were allowed. DeanSims 20:47, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Opinion about Russian America (PP)
Hi Nuc, how are you? :) I want to ask some things about the Russian America for my TL in the spanish wikia Presidente Portales. In this timeline, as result of the changes in the US wars during the XIX Century (Mexico and the CSA), the Russian Empire not sell Alaska to the US. As by this time, Russia and UK are enemies for his conflicts in Asia, Alaska is not sold to Canada-UK either. So, the territory remains under Russian control and his colonization continues, now supported by the new Mexican trade in California. I have been inspiring in your history for make this, despite the POD is in different years obviously. jeje However, i have a doubts about the borders of the russian alaska and how far can expand in the northwest of North America. What thinks? Regards! --Katholico 19:26, January 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm glad, yes, i'm fine too.
 * Ups, I believe that I should have warned you about some things before you should read jejeje Sorry
 * I'm going to try to explain each one:


 * You see, originally i had several ideas, but now i'm reconsidering a couple of them. One of this is the US collapse jeje (too much ASB maybe). Now, for the moment, only i have decided that the US will end divided in the civil war, and both countries (USA and CSA) will be reduced to the east coast.
 * For the UK, well, yes, i have the idea that the country will become into an republic, but this during the XX Century, after the WWI. The idea is that after the first world war, the UK fall into an civil war and end divided into 4 or 5 indepedent republics (England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales and/or Northern Ireland), with the others domains in the world also gain his independence, and possibly one of them, become in the new home of the Royal Family. I'm searching OTL events like the Easter Rising to make this possible, but the development and the consequences of the WWI from my TL should be a factor to provoke this. I don't know if need change something in the XIX century for.
 * About Mexico annexing Lousiana, well, at the end of the last century, yes, Mexico should achieve the Mississippi river and Canadian border. jeje This was my original idea, and as i say before, the USA/CSA would reduce to the east. But i need work in the reasons.
 * About the russian expansion to south, well, my TL's POD is 1838, so, by this time i think that Fort Ross was already sold. The between US and UK was signed in 1846, at the beginning of the war with Mexico, so, probably will be signed anyway in my TL, and the US would have a exit to the Pacific. This, at least that Mexico also demands Oregon when win the war? What thinks? Still, the Russian expansion could continues to other side?


 * Thanks for you help. --Katholico 22:28, January 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * XD jeje
 * Thanks, but, first, I think that I need to apologize to you, because I didn't explain well some things. Sorry :(.
 * The Mexico expansion to the Mississipi is NOT during the war of 1846... is LATER, during the XX Century, but despite that is one of my original ideas, needs to be VERY worked. I mean, i don't know yet how this should happen... during the world wars or another war, i don't know yet. :/
 * During the mexican-america of 1846, Mexico only annexed from the US, Texas and some little land in Oklahoma maybe (by this time the Indian Territory, right?). And now, following your suggestion, the Oregón territory also might be annexed.
 * For the CSA, well, in fact, i discussed a lot about this with SouthWritter, and we reach a some answers for the situation: With No California and Texas, the slavery expansion and discussion is moved to the northwest, to the "Unrecognized Territory", which here should be colonized early. Also, the civil war will be postponed at least to the 1868, due to 2 things:


 * Some changes in the presidents (Lincoln in 1864)
 * A unofficial conflict between US-Mexico in the larger borders (skirmishes), which forced to Lincoln's administration to militarize the border states (specially the southerners) for a time.


 * A time after the situation end (during the beginning of the Lincoln's second term), the civil war break out. About Virginia and Robert E. Lee, yes, we discuss his destiny. At the end, given the possibilities that an ATL offers, i took a decision that Virginia seceded like OTL, Lee assume the command to the south army until his death in 1870, but the other southern generals continues with some success his campaigns achieving finally a ceasefire and CSA become fully independents. Also, the CSA recieves support from Mexico, due to the previous danger mexican-US tensions. (however, Why exactly you says that Mexico hated the CSA???)
 * No problem with that you write your thoughts :D I really liked your idea about Russia and Mexico. And the alaskian expasion during the UK collapse also seems to me perfect. Thanks ver much for your help. :) Regards! --Katholico 05:07, January 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh i understand. No problem, for the next time I must explains much better. ^_^U
 * About the russian ideas, maybe i have an little doubts. In OTL Fort Ross was sold to John Sutter. For your idea Russia should sold to Sutter or directly to the Mexican governmet?
 * Also, i can ask if you can modify a little this US electoral map for my TL? I mean, only if you have time. Thanks very much. Regards! --Katholico 05:49, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

Electoral Maps

 * No Problem ;) I really appreciate your disposition to help me. Well, as the map should be post-US/Mexican war, i want erase the southwest territories (from Texas to California) and Oregon. And for the election itself, change the Taylor name for Henry Clay. I think that distribution of votes should be the same at OTL (win Clay). Thanks again! --Katholico 06:17, January 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * NICE! I must say that your habilities with the maps are awesome :D Thanks very much! By the way, i think that for my TL some states might be formed early. What thinks you? Regards! --Katholico 06:36, January 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Nuc! I can ask you if you please can make some electoral maps more for my TL? There is 2:


 * 1852: With James Buchanan instead Franklin Pierce; Kansas and Nebraska as territories. The rest is the same.
 * 1856: President Buchanan defeat to John McLean; Minnesota become as State (with his OTL size) and votes for McLean. Iowa votes for Buchanan instead McLean.The rest is the same.
 * Thanks for you disposition. Regards! Katholico 20:44, January 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * OKI, No problem. Really thanks for you disposition :D Any doubt let me know. --Katholico 18:44, January 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey, how are you? :) How is going the maps? Some doubt? --Katholico 19:42, February 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem... the map is right! :D Thank you! Take you time. Regards! --Katholico 01:17, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Supreme Soviet
How do you do the pictures for the Supreme Soviet seat representation? Freedemocracy95 00:53, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

I like it alright!! :D
First of all, I'm so happy :'D I do hope the same, so here we go :)

To the topic, I like it, the flags are good and I think the revisions are good, but I find less people enjoying the Venusian Haven. Oh well, lol. Leda might also need to be looked at because of the population. The Indian colony, they would go with the Soviets over the British. If you think about it, one one hand they have their former rulers and on the other, their trading and arms partner. You were right on that one!

In other things, I would like to ask: Thank you for things that I like :D Imperium Guy 19:42, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Can I upload suitable flags and CoAs (if I manage to make them) for colonies?
 * Could New Saigon be a regional "Indochinese" project with Soviet aid (as I am pretty sure one of those two countries was/is communist)?

BTW, if there is an Indian colony, they would probably call it Naya (New) Hindustan or Naya Bharat rather than New India as it would be more original, I would say. I'll tell you of other name candidates when I think about them! ;D Imperium Guy 10:43, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

Hope I'm not peserting you (like I usually do), but I think I have some alternate flags for New Scotland that I thought you might like. One of them is the traditional Rampart Lion used in the Scotland football games and the other one is more of a Celtic influence, if New Scotland is more Celtic and allows Irish immigrants. I would like your feedback if that is ok with you. :D Imperium Guy 14:16, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Future Answer
Talk pages, anything goes.

Heck, so long as it is an article that is not explicitly about a future event - i.e. is only speculation in the atl, or about things scheduled to happen, it's fine to write about it. I mean, there's three "2012 Presidential Election" articles that I know of off the top of my head right now, lol.\

Lordganon 10:32, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Questions about New Union
Questions about New Union (Don't know if your the main author.) Anyways, I've just looked at it, knew about it, just haven't had time to get to it. Anyways, may I ask an few questions (Sorry if you've already discuss them on the talk page of New Union). Here they are: Thanks, and hope you get back. Enclavehunter 01:39, January 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Is Osama Bin Laden dead?
 * 2) Does the late-2000's recession occur?
 * 3) How does this affect the foreign policy of the United States?
 * 4) Does Greece go bankrupt?

Weird America Flags
Thanks again for your help :)

I already have some ideas for the flags of the other nations in Weird America

The Indian Nation doesn't have a flag as it isn't a nation as such. It's territory that was "given" (for want of a better word) to the tribes of Tecumseh's Confederacy for their assistance in the War of 1812.

Verence71 21:33, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

New England
Thanks for that, I'm not that good as far as the graphics side of things go :) What I have done however is used a slightly altered version of the OTL coat of arms of Maine as the RNE coat of arms

Verence71 18:37, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

It's all a learning process and we learn by our mistakes :)

Verence71 18:48, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

New Ottoman Empire Map Game
I f you arestill playing the game, I will rejoin it, and maybe make the game start up again. DeanSims 16:30, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Sandbox
Would it be okay if I put down my ideas for New India on my Sandbox? Imperium Guy 16:02, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Welcome! What do you mean by vague though? :D Imperium Guy 16:22, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Ahh, okay. :D Imperium Guy 16:37, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Yugoslavia Opinion
Yes, I've been following that entry in your box a bit, lol.

Quite honestly, Nuke, it sounds nice, but.... isn't very possible.

Vukovar was already surrounded by Serb forces well before the battle started, and with attacks going on by both sides. Really, the battle starting only meant government forces joining in.

The nationalists in Serbia would never agree to such a thing. It was either their way, or the highway. Something which the other groups, for obvious reasons, wouldn't let happen.

The Croatians have wanted out of Yugoslavia since before WWII. Tito slapped a bandaid on it, and kept it down while he lived. But after he died in 1980, all that went out the window.

Slovenia, quite frankly, has nothing in common with the rest.

Furthermore, why would the Treaty have any impact on Yugoslavia? There's no reason it would.

Fact of the matter is, Nuke, that tensions and divisions in Yugoslavia were far, far, worse than anything in the USSR ever was. The different ethnic groups hate each other in Yugoslavia, by and large. Vehemently. A proposal like you're talking about it just something that none of them would agree to.

Global pressure isn't quite want you're thinking, I'm afraid. Yes, the West wanted peace in the region - which is why they wanted it to stay the status quo, at first. Actions by both sides after the moratorium put this to rest pretty fast.

It may sound nice, but.... it's just not possible, Nuke. Quite frankly, what the Yugoslavia page says right now is a bit of a stretch. This new proposal is just too much.

Lordganon 04:45, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

That as the page stands now, it's possible, but not by much. Lordganon 12:04, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Well, that is more reasonable, but....

Really, it's not a question of the Serbs in government, but the militias. Such pressure would have no effect on them.

There's no way the Serb nationalists would agree to do it.

A better than otl resolution, however, would be for one of the agreements prior to the Washington Agreement be accepted (obviously, modified) by the Croats and Muslims, which would mean a faster peace between them.... and a faster one overall, with less death/destruction. Have a look at the things here as do what I'm meaning.

Lordganon 07:05, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, that could probably work. Though, modified to be less arbitrary. Lordganon 08:48, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Terrorism in New Union
I was wondering what will terrorism be like in the New Union TL? Surely 9/11 would exist, but what about the attack on the Beslan school in Chechnya? How is terrorism and terrorist attacks different in the TL? RandomWriterGuy 05:30, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Hay could I ask if I could put a flag I created on the fictional flag's page? ima firin ma lazar!!!!! o(@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 01:41, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

there's a fictional flag's page for flag's that don't exist, but nevermind it's okay, I don't need to add a picture. ima firin ma lazar!!!!! o(@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 14:27, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Duplicates
Sorry. I'll try not to let it happen again. Monster Pumpkin 21:40, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Afghanistan in NU
Well, even the reestablishment of the Kingdom would not resolve the two factions of Mujahedin by that point. The radical southern groups would, by and large, decry him for it, or consider him a puppet. But, the north would support the move.

Given the opinions of the Afghans towards the King, especially before the Taliban took control, and even the attitudes of the Northern commanders, a restoration would actually be likely, if he were to go back.

Heck, him going back like that makes in more plausible that the rump would survive. Basically removes the northern groups of the Mujahedin, and has them join the government.

Lordganon 18:57, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about that. Was a touch rushed.

Yes, the Najibullah government is what I meant.

Massoud, basically the members of the otl Northern Alliance, the northern minorities, and the groups that overthrew the government in 1992 otl - all would support such a government to some degree.

It's basically the Radicals, and many of the Pashtuns, that won't support it, as said.

Lordganon 07:20, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

New India
First of all, well done for crossing 10,000 edits!! Well, I am having difficulty on one aspect of New India, that being the flag. I just don't know what New India's flag would look like and I am hoping you will be able to help as that is more of your area of expertize. Any feedback on how the NI info has gone so far would also be appreciated. :D Imperium Guy 19:51, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

No problem. As for a new name, Naya Bharat (or New Bharat in english) springs to my head. If you don't like the name, I'll try to think of others (unless you get there first!! :D) By the symbol I think you mean the cloth weaving thingy in the Indian Congress' flag in 1921? If I manage to make a flag, I would have to tell you it won't be .svg as I suck at Inkscape. I think I might add more stuff to the New India thing. :D Imperium Guy 20:26, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Interesting Find...
http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&section=&global=1&q=bellinsgauzenia#/d4r3m0a

I found this and Bellinsgauzenia has now a Hetalia fanart!

General tiu 14:57, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

New Union Rubles
Hi. I noticed your Rubles in your New Union timeline, and I was wondering something. Did you make them yourself or find them online? If you found them online can you tell me where so I can find domething similar for my timeline> Thanks. Monster Pumpkin 22:09, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Oh. Thanks for your time. Nice timeline by the way. Monster Pumpkin 22:19, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

..
Far as I'm concerned, it is an obviously broken link, which it is part of our jobs to fix. Moreover, there is a picture that you uploaded yourself which is one symbol away from it.

But, if you want to go against our methods and policies, fine.

Lordganon 22:39, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

...Which I now see that you have fixed yourself.

Sigh.....

Lordganon 22:40, March 25, 2012 (UTC)



...the exact same picture you just used in the article, and the exact one that both myself and the anon tried to fix the link with, by removing the "2."

Lordganon 22:54, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Ethiopia (New Union)
Seems like a good idea, The SNNPR made little sense to me when I first put it in Ethiopia's article but put it in on account of the fact that I couldn't think of a reasonable alternative. The problem I had was that the nationalities would be to small separately in a federal Ethiopia. If you think that its reasonable to have them as separate states I have no problemVegas adict 16:48, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

World in CNS
Hi Nuc, how are you? I wrote to you to ask if you can help me with my TL in spanish wikia called Chile No Socialista (or simply CNS). Well, the althist is focused principally in South America (where all the dictatorships end early, before 1984-85), but there some change in the world like in the US Presidents (with Reagan elected in 1977). I am trying to search if some another change would take place in other countries or in some conflict, like the Gulf War, etc... think ideas for the international scene are my bigger challenge, i don't if you can help mein something? Regards! --Katholico 04:40, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Holy Roman Empire
Would it be possible for the Holy Roman Empire to become more centralized?

Yank 02:58, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

It would possibly result in the German Empire emerging either centuries or decades earlier.

Yank 15:41, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Image


Got to ask, Nuke - trying to figure out what city this one skyline you put here is actually of.

Do you remember, by any chance?

Lordganon 05:59, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

No worries, lol.

Turns out, if I'd have looked a bit father in the cities category I'd have seen for myself, lol. It's Sacramento.

Lordganon 20:02, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Transcolumbia
Well, formally both names are okay, and may be accepted. But I think I already told you that it's better not to combine Latin and Russian affixes within one name, so it's better to call the region either "Трансколумбия" or "Заколумбье", but not a combination of both. — Hellerick 02:52, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Russian America Flags
Been keeping half an eye on things you've been changing in your sandbox, like usual - interesting, what can I say? - and I noticed the note you left next to the "Columbia" flag and the BC flag otl.

While the "never setting" bit does reflect the provincial motto, and no doubt influenced its usage, it's not actually the reason for the sun being there - it's supposed to be symbolic of it being the westernmost province, and its position on the Pacific.

Not that, of course, that part would be applicable to it atl, lol.

As for a flag for Columbia.... maybe use the flag of Vancouver as a base? Carries much of the same logic, but without the Sun bit.

For "Queen Charlotte," maybe use a variation of the Haida flag?

Lordganon 17:39, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Well, think of it this way - there's a lot of flags, names of places, and symbols that have a great deal to do with native names, symbols, or tribes, and were established long after they were all gone from the area in question.

Using it outright would be a stretch, true enough, but that'd be a bad reason to rule its usage out entirely.

Lordganon 18:09, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Those new ones are good, Nuke.

For what it's worth, if you want some inspiration, there's a site out there with a lot of civic and other assorted flags on it - rather useful. Anchorage, Homer, http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/us-akket.html Ketchikan,] Seward, Wasilla, and Wrangell are all in there. Ketchikan's in one of the atl state that has a flag you're not happy with.

Maybe something to do with a husky for "Bering"? Or something to do with the Bering families' coat of arms?

Lordganon 07:22, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

You're the only other person that has heard/seen it, lol.

For Yakutat.... well, oil/gas, copper, and fishing are big in the area. Symbols and colors associated with those would be a good idea. It's also noted for its beaches of black sand, where gold can be found.

"Copper" is also used with regards to the natives of the area fairly regularly, as is references to ice. They also converted very easily to the Orthodox faith otl - but the reasons would mean, likely, going to Protestantism of some sort atl.

Don't know how much help that could be.

Lordganon 09:21, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

Thought I'd make a note about the capitals of the American states you've put in for Russian America.

They all look good, except two of the three "Ontario" states.

North Bay and Schreiber weren't founded, otl, until several decades after the area joined the USA atl. Really, the same can be said for nearly all settlements in the region. Adding to that, North Bay would be pretty close to the border.

Their founding was more or less because of the continental railroad being built through. So, they likely wouldn't exist here. Settlement and colonization would be around the lakes, concentrating power there.

Government in the region would likely be concentrated at the two major settlements, which as is the case today were Thunder Bay (Fort William, at the time) and Sault Ste. Marie.

Just a thought.

Lordganon 02:47, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

Thing with capitals moving, Nuke, is that it's a touch unusual for it to happen after things are established in an area.

Yeah, a bit like Maine - these would be frontier states, based on the lakes and dependent on them, with little inland settlement.

Thunder Bay was a very narrow choice otl for the name of the combined city - maybe here, "Lakehead" wins out instead?

Torn on the renaming of Kingston. As an established city, its name is a bit harder to change - but at the same time, its name would also be something they'd be inclined to change. As for the name itself.... well, I have to doubt that it would get named that if the renaming is fairly soon. Most places just aren't that big after renaming really established places after people that are alive. And if you wait too long to so something like that, it just would not happen. Up to you on this one, though overall I doubt it would get renamed to Mackenzie - some other new name is more likely.

Lordganon 21:56, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

Probably for the best just to make that one capital Toronto like that.

For the capital of Nevada, San Francisco or San Jose would likely be a plan. There really wasn't any inland settlements there for a long time. San Jose would likely be more secure.

Have to ask - why LA as the capital of Alta California? The capital of the area under both Spain and Mexico, Monterey, does lie inside of it.

Lordganon 22:08, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

Colombia Changes
Hi Nuc! How are you? I hope fine. Since some time ago i saw that you began to change several things about Colombia in Russian America (and also Central America). I have curiosity, what happened? :O Regards! --Katholico 03:49, May 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh i see. No problem, just something like this take me by surprise. Until now, you had advanced very much with the article :/ But, well, is your TL and decision, so, all good. :) By the way, can ask how this will affect the idea for Chile and Argentina? Regards! --Katholico 21:56, May 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ohhh NOOO :( nahh, is just a joke :P No problem Nuc, I imagined that this would be inevitable (yet, the idea maybe might used for another TL). About other idea for South America, well, for the moment i haven't something specific, but maybe i can see the continent divided in zones of influences between US and Russia (or Alaska). This, since that the United States now is look more to south (Caribe and SA) instead to the west, on the one hand. And on the other hand, the Russia-Mexico alliance maybe expand somehow his influence to the rest of the continent (i assume that in this TL Mexico is more politicallly-economically stable). Maybe this sounds vague, but since that US in OTL was the only real stable power in the Americas, this might happen in a ATL. Perhaps, in some conflict or civil wars this "fight" might take place and the intervention in favour of one side can the history of some countries. This is, for now, all what i can say. The idea needs research, of course XD. What you think? Regards! --Katholico 02:27, May 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's fine Nuc :) No problem for me. Far i know, the Russia-SA relations were little during the most of the XIX Century. With the exception of Brazil, Russia only recognized the rest of nations during the second half of XIX century. Obviously, was during Cold War that the URSS had a major infuence over the continent and not only i say it by the guerrilla movements (some dictatorships like in Peru and Argentina close ties with URSS during a time). Maybe as you suggested, with Russia in the Americas, the relations begin sooner and later when the russian territories became independent, they continues with this ties with South America nations.
 * Also... you say the Panama is a US state? When exactly? Undoubtedly, the Colombian history would be affected by this.
 * I'm trying to think in a way to connect Chile with Russia, but the only thing that seems "relate" them is that fact that Chile is in the south of America (and have the Strait of Magellan, the only commercial way until Panama Channel) and Alaska is the north. I mean, for commerce.
 * Well, maybe when you write more in your TL, i will think in some new ideas. :) Regards! --Katholico 03:48, May 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * OK. So, is with Panama Channel that the US begin the annexation. By the way, some time ago i mentioned to you about a South America-based TL from the spanish wikia, which i need help for international affairs. I don't know if you noticed? jeje Regards! --Katholico 18:34, May 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem. Well, my question was about if you can help me with my TL in spanish wikia called Chile No Socialista (or simply CNS). The althist is focused principally in South America (where all the dictatorships end early, before 1984-85), but there some change in the world like in the US Presidents (with Reagan elected in 1977). I am trying to search if some another change would take place in other countries or in some conflict, like the Gulf War, etc... think ideas for the international scene are my bigger challenge... i don't know if you can help me in something? Jeje Regards! --Katholico 23:38, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * So, an US military intervention on Iran? Sounds good for me. Of course, before, I will read more about this, as you suggested. Thanks. Also, i have the idea about ending the Cuban dictatorship (during '90 or '00s), but i still thinking in the how: A international intervention or civilian revolution. Regards! --Katholico 17:42, May 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * I late to answer you XD Oh i never hear about that event in Cuba, seems perfect for my TL :) I will use. Thanks Nuc! --Katholico 17:50, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Capitals
No, not very far-fetched. LA was, even at the time, the major population center south of Monterey. Santa Barbara would have been a bit of stretch though, lol. Lordganon 22:28, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

Not really that odd for it to happen. There's several states in the US that have counties with the same name for their seat. Heck, there's even one state where there's two counties with the same name.

Something you may find of interest, however - the capital of Costa Rica moved from the city of Cartago to San Jose in 1823 otl, after having been located in Cartago for several centuries. The reason being that Cartago wanted to join Mexico, and San Jose did not, so the leadership moved it. Might make a lot of sense to have it at Cartago here.

Lordganon 22:56, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

I uploaded the same image twice...
Woops! Thank you for the save. And I am glad you are interested in the story, hopefully I'll be able to create an interesting timeline. Milarqui, The Spaniard 06:32, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

Re:[Gran] Colombia
Hello again! I've been well, school stuff been intense lately, how bout you? And thank you, I hope to write more once school ends. And haha well, I may have had a bit of inspiration. But don't worry, I didn't use your map to draw over, I'd never do that. If you want, you could use mine, that way you won't have to take too long making yours, but whatever works.

Also, thanks for telling me that. I really don't have a lot of information concerning South America's history, we really only learn about Canada in school. I'll have to fix that in a bit. And thank you again, I really enjoy reading your timelines too. Regards, ChrisL123 19:42, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Environment in GWS
Hi, I posted on the GWS talk page that I wanted to make the Environment page for GWS, and LG told me I could.

Anyway, I've written out my main ideas on the page, and if there is anything on it which contradicts anything already canon, or if you have anything you want on the page, please message me.

PS, I am yet to add the Antarctic Dodo and furry lizard, but they are coming. Callumthered 06:01, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

For the record, the latest date I can find that has so-called "furry lizards" is about 100 million years ago. Reptiles in Antarctica died out with the dinosaurs, as another note on the matter. Lordganon 17:11, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

New Union
My apologies I kind of just dived in without looking at the fine print I saw that you had blocked the communists for democrocy from editing..

I read on the General Talp Page that you didnt like my American Presidential Picks and I 100% agree, it certianly requires a complete rewriting and plot which I will be happy to do if permitted.

Alexanders 16:37, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

I disagree with the notion that the United States would not change much if the USSR survived given the notions that have emerged since the fall of the USSR, The idea of a Western Global Market has pretty much penetrated even outside of politics and is all over popular culture.

--Alexanders 16:39, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

I think a new ideology could be invented out of Glasnost that would influence Europe and would very likely trickle into the United States. Though I would like to think of it as the Perstrokia Party it might be named different to sound more American.

With the Soviets Recovering in the 90's and the West faltering this party could take advantage of peoples frustration at Cold War Politics, and could very well get media attention in the 1992 Presidential Election and/or the 1994 mid terms.

While Obviously Left Wing it wouldnt exactly resemble the old left and certainly not the Third Way. It might be similar to the Green Party but it would have a different mood, as it's base would be from the Eastern European Example. Something that did not exist in real life.

--Alexanders 17:41, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

You mind if I work on the Russian Parties that dont have an article yet?

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/New_Union?oldid=349921 I know that means I havent been here in a while :)...

anon contribution.
Hi nuke, it was me who edited the kingdom of greece page.?

Breizhcatalonia1993 18:27, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

you got it wrong :P
No. i previously wanted to delete the page because a chang of opinion, but now I reversed to the opinion of when I created the page.

Breizhcatalonia1993 09:28, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

Found this!
I found a good flag for the Chishima Islands.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Proposed_flags_of_Japan

General tiu (talk) 07:37, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Sup
So, what have u been working on latly? RandomWriterGuy (talk) 02:08, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Any New Union updates? RandomWriterGuy (talk) 02:08, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Nikita Drugal
Are you planning to do anything on your Nikita Drugal article? Godfrey Raphael (talk) 13:43, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Flags
Okay I will try to remember that, it just seems easier to download the ones that I have instead of digging through a bunch of files trying to find the one that i want.

Bobalugee1940 (talk)

Normally I use the visual editor becuase it allows me to easily use templates and such things, plus it allows me to see what it looks like without having to press the 'preview' button every seven seconds. Bobalugee1940 (talk) 23:14, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Republic of New Netherland
I know you like the concept of an independant New Netherland. What would be the side effects of New Netherlands independance as shown by the New Netherland webpage? I'm quessing that, for one, the New England states are also potentially independant, as New Netherland's independance cuts them off from the rest of America. They would work together with the other Americans to gain independance, but go their seperate way afterwards. This in turn would potentially result in the American South industrializing, thus making the issue of slavery effectively a moot point. What I'm saying is that I'd like to transpose that website's timeline to our wiki.

Yank 19:30, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

What I was wondering is would the more wide-spread southern industry result in slavery slowly dying instead of being killed one fell swoop? Would this slower approach result in fewer violent white supremistss? Feel free to contact the author. Would you be okay with doing the majority of the work?

Yank 21:20, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

ASB question
Hi, I was wondering how you avoided the ASB-enviromental label for Venusian Haven or am I missing it? I have an idea for a greater Panspemia and would love to avoid that label.

Iwaschris (talk) 14:04, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

Its perfect¡¡¡¡
I absolutely don't mind, in fact i think its perfect :D I will change my flag to the one you designed, what do you think about the timeline?, and by the way, I want to make some posters for the british socialist federal republic, but i need some ideas about what to put, I mean, soviet style posters.

Yes the whole Northern Ireland is part of Ireland due that in when the time that British Republicanism started to arise the independence of Ireland was not so much a discussed question about. Anyway, in that Alternate History, the British doesn't oppress the Irish so much since the act of Union of 1801, which in OTL was seen by Irish people as favourable because included catholic emmancipation. The Irish are given in 1921 ( or 1922, don't remember what year I did put) the option of becoming independent in a three option referendum in which the options are:

1- Independence

2-Actual Status (Constituent Country of the BSFR without self-government)

3- Constituent Country of the BSFR with completely Internal self government ( the BSFR is a federal republic), that option is the winner in the referendum with the 55% of the votes, due that unites both unionists who wished to stay in Britain (note that in 1921, in OTL, most of the districts of Dublin where overwhelmgly unionist) that unites both unionists and ex-independentists.

Breizhcatalonia1993 (talk) 09:48, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

Some Russian Stuff
So Nuke, I'm doing a timeline, and it has a vastly reformed Russia. It's divided into.....well, divisions. I'm at a loss as to what I should call them. Provinces? States? Districts? That's kind of holding me up.

And while I'm talking about Russian stuff, I want to add that New Union is my favorite timeline and you've put a lot of work into it. I hope one day I can creat a timeline to be as good as that. And I hope you don't mind, but I'd like to borrow a few of your ideas. Namely the flag of Crimea, Cossackia, Dagestan, Karelia, and Volgaland and the concept of Birobidzhan. I just want to ask your permission before I use them.

And I find that you and I have both have some things in common: we're Russophilic, we both have OCD, and we share the common interests of astronomy, cartography, and the Space Race and the Cold War. Quite a coincidence.

Regards,

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:44, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

I think I'll have to go with guberniyas. The reforms came out when Peter the Great came about. He had a small Duma kind of thing and everyone from the guberniyas voted for who they wanted in the semi-Duma. Initially five guberniyas: Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Siberia, and Finland. Then more would come about as time progressed.

Really? They're OTL? I found Crimea's flag to be red-white-blue vertical, I couldn't find a mention of Cossackia or Dagestan anywhere, and I found no flag for Karelia.

XD, I'm not a wizard, I'm just nosy. I found your NukeVac Wiki, lol.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:27, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

As a matter of the fact I have timeline here. It's relatively new and hasn't much yet, but I've got it all worked out in the noggin. Just got to put it up.

No problem about the history lesson professor, I appreciate it. I think I'll look up some other flags before I go any further with yours.

Ah, now I know what vexillology is. If I had known before, I would've added that to our common interests. lol.

Yeah I went to your site. The whole FSA thing is interesting though.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:01, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

Not six, five actually.

So did GWS take Bellinsgauzenia from you or vice versa?

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:25, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

Hey there, Nuke, it's me again, your younger Russophilic evil twin. So I added some content to my timeline. Would you mind checking it out a bit and telling what you think so far? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:01, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking you'd say that. I kind of had this idea for it happening. You know how they claimed that Russia was the "Third Rome?" I was thinking he'd draw on that, and make Russia a Roman Republic sort of thing, but with a monarch, since he obviously wouldn't want to lose power. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:27, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Ah. A pity.

XD John Green is hilarious.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:07, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

About Ireland and its currencies in the BSFR.
Yes, Actually the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands have its own pound that is not the pound sterling, so i decided to extend that idea to the two islands, Great Britain and Ireland. And yes, the whole Island of Ireland is part of the BSFR, taking in mind that in 1921 a lot of districts of Dublin were unionist and the level of self government inside the BSFR satisfied the Irish to the point that they rejected independence in a referendum. I am going to start making articles about the constituent countries of the BSFR :D. Its strange because i have frequently changing of Ideas, sometimes i want a democratic russian empire and sometimes i want a democratic USSR like your want of new union ;), in which, i will like to collaborate with putting the anthems to all the constituent republics.

Breizhcatalonia1993 (talk) 12:55, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

No, I'm not trying to compare the UK/BSFR to the new union, what i am trying to say, is that in the real life sometimes i will support a democratic russian empire and sometimes a democratic soviet union like the one you propose in New Union, you will like a soviet union like you propose in your New Union in the real life? at the moment I will like it.

Breizhcatalonia1993 (talk) 18:34, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

hi, i want to ask for your permission to translate New Union to the alternate history wikia in spanish becausse i think it is a awesome article, thanks =)Patogicapoeira (talk) 23:22, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Ethiopia
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, I'v looked over your new ideas for the Ethiopian Republic regarding the republics. The further division of the modern regions based on there Ethnicity. I see no problem with this with the possible exception that the difference in population and size between the largest and the smallest of the republics might be an issue.Vegas adict (talk) 14:39, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

Someone in AH.com is questioning your Alternate History genius...
http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=252575&page=17

Are you planning to rebutt them or agree with them at some points?

General tiu (talk) 18:52, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

problems :S
Nuke, I'm having problems with editing, "cialis" is the key word.

not problems anymore :D Btw, I am going to merge the rossiskaya imperiya kd and the 1897: A different Immigration alternate histories ( if you read the timeline of the second you will know why), plus; I am going to make manchuria an independent country, what do you think? how i have to do to merge the histories? and btw, here is a list of anthems about your timeline of new union:

1- Ukraine= Sche ne Vmerla Ukraina

2- Belarus= Vajacki Mars

3- Tadjikistan= Anthem of the Tadjik SSR

4- Turkmenistan= Anthem of the Turkmen SSR

5- Kazakhstan= Its national anthem from 1992 to 2000

6-Russia: Patriotic Song

7-Chechnya= Dovalla ya Marso

more will come ;)

Breizhcatalonia1993 (talk) 18:44, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

Manchu Alphabet
http://kyuzoaoi.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d5dd16j

А а A a Б б B b В в V v Г г G g Д д D d Е е E e, Ye ye Ё ё Yo Yo Ж ж J j З з Z z И и I i Й й Y y, Yi yi К к K k Л л L l М м M m Н н N n О о O o П п P p Р р R r С с S s Т т T t У у U u Ў ў W w Ү ү U u, Ue, ue Ф ф F f Х х H h Ц ц Ts ts Ч ч Ch ch Ш ш Sh sh Щ щ Sch sch [for loanwords] Ъ ъ ' [for Russian loanwords] Ы ы Yeri [for Russian loanwords] Э э E e, Ei ei Ю ю Yu yu Я я Ya ya

It's not perfect, but at least it is useful.

General tiu (talk) 20:08, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Re:No Time for Stalin
Hmm, I never thought of them staying neutral. But as of recently I've only had enough schooling for the beginning of WWI, and won't be learning WWII for at least a few months. Hopefully then I can finally get started on it.

But that is a really interesting concept I never really considered before. When I came up with the idea I really couldn't conceive a name, but this really helps a lot, thank you.

And I've been doing well, all my courses so far are extremely easy and I've had a lot of free time, haha. Hope you're well too. Regards, ChrisL123 (talk)

Haha, in the working world huh? I'll be getting there soon, unfortunately :(

Sorry for the late reply by the way, I've been a bit busier with school and family stuff, and I wasn't able to post a lot.

Anyway, unfortunately, I figured something like that would be the case. Better do much better in-depth research before I start anything, haha. But fall the way of France, huh? Can't imagine what that would be like. And a Fascist Russia, that would really be something. As for the German revolution, I did come around that and read that communism was a key player in Hitler's rise to fame, but I wasn't exactly sure how much of a role that played in his campaigns and elections. Figured that would be an issue, though.

But don't worry about it, it was just an idea that sprang into my head without much thinking. Silly me. Oh well, hopefully when I get a better education on the era I'll be able to much better contemplate a timeline. Thanks again! ChrisL123 (talk) 23:56, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

Advice
Things are going good. You?

Nuke, like I say to everyone on here, I'm always willing to give advice. Especially when it's for someone I like, lol.

Well, most areas just wouldn't really work - the European powers, by and large, won't give anything up. You already have those willing to sell doing it, by and large, lol.

Depending on the date, an African colony - a small one - may be possible.

The majority of the Pacific islands would be up for grabs throughout this period.

And the Spanish selling parts of their empire wouldn't be unrealistic, either. Note, however, that NN, unlike the USA, likely wouldn't be able to beat them in a war. Cuba, PR, and the Philippines would be pretty much off the table, however, as would be the modern Spanish territories from otl.

Lordganon (talk) 05:22, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

You're polite, reasonable, willing to listen, and don't abuse my willingness to give advice. Can't ask for much more around here.

No worries, Nuke, I knew you'd want them on the same level of global empire as Denmark, Norway, Sweden, or Belgium otl - i.e. very little.

Even if the Spanish give such a status to their colonies, it won't last forever. And unlike the Brits otl, I'd bet it isn't peaceful, either.

And such a status would mean a severe loss of funds, too, even if it persisted somehow.

Basically, the Spanish will be needing funds. And most of their empire past the "dominions" wouldn't be profitable. They'd sell it for the right price once they decide it's not worth it. A condition that the locals approve the transfer wouldn't be shocking, either.

NN could probably seize control over the islands off that coast from Venezuela in a war - they should hold a naval advantage. Of course, however, on land they'd likely get beaten. But in any peace, they wouldn't take them all - the largest island, Nueva Esparta, is pretty heavily populated, and one of the others, the so-called "Federal Dependencies of Venezuela," is far separated from the rest and is right next to the coast. Was actually part of Trinidad and Tobago for most of history anyways, until the Brits gave it to Venezuela.

The rest of those islands, however, might be available, for the right price.

It's possible for them to get both these islands and those around Guam - but I suspect that Spain may not want to part with both of them to the same power, even if it is only NN. If Venezuela is fully independent by this date, it may well be possible, mind, irregardless. Heck, that'd increase the odds of a sale, even - they'd need money to finance independence, and with NN off the coast already, they'd be seen as fairly safe to sell those barely populated islands to.

The ACS - the organization that founded Liberia - was led and founded by Virginians. Most of their organization was from there, as well. The remainder was largely from southern New Jersey, Maryland, and southeastern Pennsylvania. In all likelihood, it exists atl - and would actually be more powerful, since Virginia and Maryland, among others, have to listen to less people if they "encourage" free blacks to go.

If Belgium doesn't exist to get the Congo - the area of Belgium in Europe ends up with the Dutch, I hope? - the Portuguese or Brits (more likely Portugal) get it. They have significant reason to hold claims in the area, and without Leopold to condemn them, no one will really question it.

Buying the Spanish colonies in that area is reasonable enough - and occupying the other islands in the region that the Germans did otl is a logical extension of that. And almost all of the ones in and around Micronesia were actually sold by the Spanish to Germany in the first place (1899), which only serves to make it better.

Northeastern New Guinea, however.... it's unlikely. If the Germans do not get it - it's not out of the question that they do, however, given the date of annexation - the Brits will, given their control of the area. Heck, if the Germans do not have that, they more than likely will not try for any other territory in the area, let alone buying islands from Spain. NN could then easily buy it all up.

Samoa is a stretch, I'm afraid. The Brits were involved in the disputes out there otl, and with no Americans, and the Germans far less involved, would easily secure the whole island chain.

But the Islands between Japan and New Guinea (Micronesia, Palau, Guam, the Marianas, the Marshalls, etc.) shouldn't be too hard for NN to buy.

Truthfully, NN probably wouldn't have enough financial resources or international pull to build a canal. But if they did an arrangement more like the Suez Canal in otl, than the Panama Canal, coupled with a more reasonable government in Central America, they could probably join with the locals to build one. Nor would the locals be nearly so apprehensive about their goals, NN being far weaker than the USA otl. The government in the area which controls otl Nicaragua, by far the better location for a canal, should be agreeable to the idea.

Basically, in exchange for a share of revenues - maybe 40%, or so - they help construct and run the canal. They would get to station troops in the area, though not control the territory like the US in Panama otl.

The Antarctic Peninsula and those islands, however, while formally unclaimed, did still have claims on them. There being no governing bodies set up by no means indicates a lack of claims.

Argentina, supposedly - there are indications this may be truthful, in fact - even had some control/claims over parts of the peninsula in the early 1890s otl. Their claims, in a more realistic sense, even ignoring these possible expeditions, without question can be dated to at least 1904.

Chile, however, is still only later on, insomuch as I can tell.

With Spain holding any sort of control over these former colonies - note, this is highly unlikely to last out the 1800s - colonization is likely to go faster, as is exploration. Being better off economically, and being more stable politically, would have that effect. So moves into the area of the peninsula would likely happen even sooner.

New England would also likely have a claim to the region atl - whalers from Connecticut are actually the first to likely have made landfall on the peninsula otl. Similar claims by NE would be true for other areas of the continent as well.

And moves by Spain and/or those dominions would fasten British movements to go after those islands. So they would likely still end up with them.

Basically, NN wouldn't have much hope of getting any claims to the Peninsula.

But.....

Victoria Land, in eastern Antarctica, was first landed on by a whaler from Long Island, Mercator Cooper, in 1853, after having been discovered by the Brits in 1841. NN would thus have a claim to the area.

And Wilkes Land, first discovered in 1840, was discovered by an American expedition, and named for one of its commanders, Charles Wilkes. Both Wilkes and the other commander, William L. Hudson, were from areas the today are part of New York City (the city itself, and Brooklyn, respectively) and thus would be New Dutch atl. This'd be a big claim to the area.

No claims were put forth otl, most likely, because the US government was too busy in the West to care. Add to that their "anti-imperialism," etc.

The expedition, the United States Exploring Expedition, was sent with the primary purpose of exploration in general. In all likelihood, I could see the NN government sending one of its own out. They have the means and the will - and aren't aligned with the Brits at all, like NE seems to be. Most of the time the ships spent was in the south and central parts of the Pacific, and their time in the Oregon Country, and the rest of the western coast of North America, was actually rather short - it was not their goal, by any means.

This expedition, and the whalers, would give them claims over much of Eastern Antarctica. An agreement with the Brits - relations have good reason to be decent, at least, between the two, in my opinion - would see the two recognize each other's claims. Probably be some sort of arrangement would out in Victoria Land.

These claims would encourage NN wot work more in the Pacific, too.

That expedition also explored Fiji, and Tuvalu. This would mean potential claims for NN. I suspect that at least one of the two may work - and from that, a protectorate over Tonga would not be impossible.

About the Antarctic Peninsula - while the climate may be similar in many ways to coastal Greenland, the rest is not. It is almost entirely rocky - habitable areas of Greenland have dirt, and even trees. The peninsula has neither. There's good reason why it's not inhabited otl.

No, you didn't fry my brain, lol. Always nice to do some thinking.

Lordganon (talk) 02:55, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, there is a certain irony to that one.

"New Dutch" is easier to say, lol.

What I'm meaning about your Greenland comparison is that there'd be no settlers in Antarctica. Any "colony" would pretty much only survive on outside supplies. Just not really worth it. About the most you might see is a government outpost or three for whalers to use, for a while, later turning into research stations after whaling/sealing really fades. Not even a "stopping ground," really.

Yes, outright independence is more or less a given to happen at some point. The locals aren't going to be satisfied forever by foreign control. Eventually Spain is going to either piss them off and they throw them out, or Spain lets them go like the Brits did. Up to them. But it's pretty much a given to happen by 1890.

Erred slightly in my last post - besides the one big island you excluded, there are two that would not be included at all, not one like I thought. They are:

Isla Aves - Would have been Dutch, and already sold by them to NN.

Patos Island - Was given by the Brits to Venezuela in the 1940s. Had been part of the colony of Trinidad and Tobago prior to that. Would remain part of that colony.

That's what I referred to Trinidad about.

Yes, Liberia would exist in some form. No, it would have nothing to do with NN. Situation would be something akin to otl, either with Virginia, or Maryland. Virginia, more likely, given where the founders, etc. of the ACS came from.

Yes, possibly Tuvalu, Fiji, and Tonga - though the last only as a protectorate. I don't see why the Brits would have a problem with it, so long as they remain on good terms. Yes, they can likely get them all, so long as they do not piss off the Brits.

More like NN owns part of the canal - not has it. As for the location, Panama was actually a pretty bad place to build one, distance aside. The terrain is hilly, and uneven, plus full of jungle. It's why so many died building it, and they needed all of the locks on it. One in Nicaragua suffers almost none of these problems, and even gains more capacity.

Have a look into it - it may surprise you.

The US government actually squabbled over the two routes a lot otl - an engineer from Maine convinced Congress of the Panama route, however, and the man instrumental in getting the change made was from Mass. too. Several commissions actually approved it over Panama, even, until French interests in a potential one there were purchased and deemed easier.

Whatever authority is in atl Columbia - and thus, Panama - would likely not go for it so much. Columbia otl didn't agree to terms, really - I doubt that atl would be any different - and NN couldn't force the matter like the USA did otl.

Lordganon (talk) 06:41, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

Well..... Fiji and Tuvalu wouldn't be protectorates on the same level as Tonga, but wouldn't entirely be colonies, either. There'd be some colonization, sure - unlike in Tonga, where there'd be essentially none - but very little, like otl.

I really can't see anywhere else, Nuke, that they could take for themselves, be it small or large. Africa is either under the influence of others, or outright controlled, already by that point. You might be able to have them buy the Spanish territory in the Gulf of Guinea, if that helps any. But that'd be the only thing, and likely a bit of a stretch.

France, however, got to the area around the same time NN would have gotten nearby - the claim is just as valid, and may hold more weight.

The areas of Antarctica, however, that they would end up claiming would likely not include territory around the Ross Sea. The Brits would technically have a prior claim.

Most likely, they'd work out some sort of deal.

NN gives up its claim on the Ross Sea to the Brits, in exchange for the British claims on the other side of the continent, consisting of most of what the Australians claim over there today, to add to their claims in Wilkes Land.

The unclaimed area otl goes to the Brits in this scenario. This, and the ANZC areas around the Ross Sea, get split between those two dominions. The Rest of British territory, as otl, remains with them.

The French then either have their otl claims, or give them up to the Brits and NN, taking the area between Norwegian claims, and the NN claims, for themselves. If they keep their original claim, the Norwegians and NN extend into the other area.

Unfortunately, Nuke, those French territories you refer to were French as early as the late 1700s. The only exception is the Îles Saint Paul et Amsterdam, which was occupied later on - but would have no reason to go to anyone but the French.

Lordganon (talk) 23:18, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

Never a problem, Nuke.

Yes, Equatorial Guinea.

Technically, yes, it may have been disputed, but.... there's a reason it went to the weak power and not the stronger ones. Spain had held title to the region of Rio Muni since 1778. The islands as well, for that matter. I've little doubt that if they sold their territory and claims to NN, NN would gain the area too. But, as we've said, that's a bit of stretch.

Yes, most of the otl AAT.

Didn't actually refer to Heard Island and the McDonald Islands at all - but I figure odds are decent that they go to NN, given the area of Antarctica their claims would be in.

Not quite what I was getting at with Antarctica, though pretty close.

Basically, NN gives up their claims to the area of otl Victoria Land and Oates Land, in return for British (and later, Aussie) claims in otl western areas of the AAT. Norwegian - I suppose, maybe Scandinavian, given that new article I noticed, but the difference is small - Antarctica expands eastwards slightly to take a bit of it, too. Border runs down the middle of the Amery Ice Shelf/Prydz Bay, give or take. Alternatively, you could also give that segment between that line and otl Norwegian claims to another power, if you chose.

The area between the edge of the otl Chilean claims, and the French claim, goes to the future New Zealand and Australia. Including the unclaimed area otl.

Lordganon (talk) 01:00, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

Even if the USA had not been distracted by the West, it's doubtful they would have considered it. Same reasons as why the refused to annex Haiti.

If it happened at all, it would likely be around the same time, maybe even included in the same purchase. It does depend on the date, however.

While I doubt any other powers would block a purchase in this area, I could see them not liking it - as you said, they have claims, however flimsy. Though that depends on their relations with both NN and Spain, mind. And it would have to be following the break with the "dominions," however it happens.

I figure, you may as well go for it.

Just remember that the only islands that would go to NN are Heard Island and the McDonald Islands. The French ones would stay French.

As a thought, since I'm thinking, you could have NE claims to the continent given/sold to Britain as an aside from their negotiations in North America. Cleans the slate, somewhat, and would sweeten the deal somewhat for the Brits.

I really doubt, myself, that a unified Scandinavian nation would be possible that late. It would take a major war, with either Sweden-Finland, or Denmark-Norway beating the other badly, for it to be possible, likely along with a succession dispute. Some sort of organization akin to the Nordic Council otl, with maybe some more unification, would not be impossible, however.

Lordganon (talk) 03:01, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

Slavery was abolished in the Dutch colonies otl in 1863. No reason here for that to change. They wouldn't sell those islands in that decade, so it'd need to be the 1870s. Slavery in Danish colonies was banned in 1847, and in Swedish colonies in 1848, so even a unified Scandinavia would have done it by 1848. Be at least a decade before they sell, so likely around 1860.

Basically, so long as the islands are making money, they won't sell them. Nor are they going to do it right after slavery is banned.

The potential colonies in the Pacific would be gained in the early 1880s, maybe the late 1870s.

Independence in Latin America would be more likely in the 1880s.

Come to think of it, have NN just occupy the disputed islands during the Venezuelan independence process, which happens through war or otherwise. Have the Brits back them for support elsewhere, or some other agreement, and they get to keep the islands. Sometime in the early 1890s, maybe.

On that note, after some thinking, I figure that some colonies would get something like the otl status of former British colonies given to them, others would end up fighting for independence. The Spanish did treat the various ones different, after all. No reason that would change too much here.

In that event, have them offer to buy the Spanish islands and EG - add Guam to this, heh - in the early 1880s, a couple of years before they annex Fiji, etc. By that point, financial pressure on Spain, combined with new colonial unrest, would mean they need the money. They'd likely take it, then. Would finance Spanish actions in the area well enough.

Of course, all this leaves NN and Spain on bad terms, somewhat. Oh well, lol.

Always looking at your stuff, Nuke. You know I'll leave notes, lol.

Apologies - must have not have noticed the Aussie-Kiwi question before. I think it is very unlikely that they would agree to be one state at that point. Distance, different goals, different economies, etc. - too many differences.

The majority of those islands actually belonged to the Kingdom of Hawaii at annexation. They'd likely remain with that state atl. The rest of the ones in the Pacific would be British.

The three in the Caribbean - two are actually occupied by Columbia otl, with claims by Central American states. One of those two areas will get them atl. Haiti would control the other.

Lordganon (talk) 04:35, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that'd be about the date for Fiji and Tuvalu.

More like the independence moves start in the early 1880s, and last the rest of the century. Like I said, a combination of them letting it happen, and revolts.

The 1880s are actually when the Germans bought the first chunk of those territories from Spain otl. No reason for that to change. The independence moves starting would further their financial problems, so they then need to sell the islands.

Tonga would become a protectorate about the same time as Fiji is annexed.

The Marshall Islands were actually Spanish until the Germans bought them - the purchase in the 1880s would have included them.

So, a rough timeline...

1861~ - Danish Islands bought 1875~ - Dutch Islands bought 1881~ - Trouble starts in Spanish Colonies 1883~ - Spanish Colonies bought 1884/1885~ - Fiji and Tuvalu annexed 1885/1886~ - Protectorate over Tonga 1892~ - Takeover of islands from new Venezuelan state

Lordganon (talk) 00:51, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

The latter half of that decade is likely too late - by that point either some other power takes advantage of the unrest, or the Venezuelans solve their troubles.

Around 1894 would be the latest.

However, if you think about it, seizing those islands wouldn't necessarily be "imperialism" - if NN claims them, then they are merely "securing their own territory." Cleveland could conceivably be for it on those grounds. Or have the military be preparing for it, at least.

Lordganon (talk) 02:05, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Well, any chance of another power doing it is minimal, at worst.

If it helps, the Venezuelans didn't occupy those eastern islands until the 1930s otl. Even Cleveland, despite his attitudes, would occupy them in the process of taking over the others - call it more defensive room, if for no other reason.

Lordganon (talk) 04:55, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Anytime in the early 1860s would work for that purpose.

Both the French and Dutch tried to buy the others' half of that island multiple times - no one ever agreed to it. The French wouldn't give it up.

As for St. Barts, either Scandinavia sells it with the Danish islands, or the Swedes sell it themselves like otl.

Lordganon (talk) 03:35, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

13 Fallen Stars
I want to discuss your plans for 13 Fallen Stars. I love them, though I have some questions. Yank 18:17, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Guatamala- Why would the aforementioned nation be called "Guatamala" instead of "Centroamerica"?
 * 2) Columbia and Pennsylvania- Would you change Columbia's name to Cascadia (or some other name) if you went ahead with uniting Pennsylvania and Maryland?

World (CNS)
Hi Nuc, how are you? I hope fine. You remember when we talk about Iran in my spanish timeline CNS before?? Well, after read more about the Iranian Revolution, i conclude that, despite Ronald Reagan being elected as US President in 1977, he probably could not much to avoid that Shah would be forced to flee from Iran like OTL. However, i'm still considering the possibility about an US intervention in Iran later the fall of the Shah, in 1980 maybe, just before the beginning in OTL of Iran-Iraq War... and here i see an option: the US and Iraq, going to the war as allies, against islamic Iran? I will be grateful if you can give me your opinion. Regards! --Katholico (talk) 05:05, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad :) Well, i must says that Nojeh Coup seems for me a great idea for work. Of course, maybe need a little more investigation, but i could imagine that the Reagan government support this plan, and this open the possibility of a US military intervention (specially if this eventually lead to a major civil war inside Iran). I will analyzes this ideas in next days. Thanks very much Nuc!!! :D --Katholico (talk) 05:53, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

Virginia (13 Fallen Stars)
I've got some ideas for state names for the potential northern states of Virginia. Yank 21:02, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Washington/Jefferson- The parts of southern Ohio under their control. Because of the fact that they were important Virginians.
 * Boone- Parts of OTL Illinois. Boone was a important frontiersman, and was one of America's first folk heroes. He lived in Virginia around the time of the POD and there's no way they wouldn't use his name for a state.
 * Wabash- The portion of OTL Indiana. The Wabash river and it's watershed irrigates most of the state.

13 Fallen Stars Map
Oh Mighty Duke Nuke, is there a world map for 13 Fallen Stars? If yes, can I get a link? If not, maybe I can help you make it.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:19, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

OK, I shall not call you that. Just thought it sounded nice. Maybe I can help you with your not-decided-yet-ness. Just ring my bell when and if you need your map done. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:37, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

Could you make a map for Europe? I believe that a world map would be easier if you pieced it together on a continent by continent basis. And you are special. You managed to turn what was once a bland dime-a-dozen "America falls apart" timeline and made it interesting and unique. My one request is that Venice keeps it's considerable territories outside Italy.

Yank 04:02, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Yep. It's pretty much the only "failed revolutionary war" timeline that isn't bland or implausible. One of them jumped the shark by having Kim Possible, a cartoon character, as an important historical figure. I'd like to see the Europe map so I can make some suggestions. Just suggestions, as you've obviously done well enough without my help.

Yank 16:59, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

I couldn't make up anything that ridiculous even if I tried. Read this and weep: General Kimberly Ann Possible. I don't know what kind of durgs that guy was taking to think that including that in his timeline was a good idea. I'll be glad to review your map when you send it to me. --Yank 18:40, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Asia (13 Fallen Stars)
Since you and LG are hammering out the state of affairs of Europe in 13 Fallen Stars, I've started wondering about another major continent. Namely Asia. I've got some questions. Yank 02:32, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Was Japan more sucessful in it's territorial ambitions? Would the lack of the United States allow for the Japanese Empire to survive?
 * 2) Does the Dalai Llama rule Tibet?
 * 3) Is Manchuria ruled by the Qing dynasty? And you do know it's likely implausible for foreign powers to hold down China? The sheer population growth alone would make such a task improbable.
 * 4) Who rules Formosa?

Korea and the Philippines in Russian America
Would be more wise if Korea was a Russian satellite state until 1905, when it had to switch allegiance to the Japanese and fulfill the role of Manchukuo in OTL?

And the Philippines...since America would never reach the Pacific until it took Panama, would it be an independent country allied with Polynesia, perhaps espousing a Pan-Austronesian friendship of sorts?

General tiu (talk) 16:46, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

RA Notes
As I'm sure you no doubt would have guessed, I've been reading the updates for RA in your notes.

Overall, pretty good.

However....

A longer Russo-Japanese War would mean that the Russians are more prepared for WWI. More experienced soldiers and officers, a population more used to war, larger numbers of weapons in reserve, etc. They would do better against the Germans than in otl, though still lose overall.

With no Russian Revolution of 1905, the Tsarist government being overthrown like otl is pretty much out the window in 1917. A revolution later in the year is still likely, but it wouldn't be anything like otl.

The resulting civil war would be both longer and bloodier than otl.

China, realistically, would not use that flag. It was unpopular, at best.

No way Persia and Afghanistan go to the Soviets.

Good work, overall.

Lordganon (talk) 22:04, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

Without something external to pressure the people of Russia, there's no way a revolution would happen between 1905 and 1917.

The war being longer and bloodier would likely still lead to a similar USSR, though a somewhat poorer one. I'd also bet on "White" rebels persisting for a very long time afterwards.

In this context, however, the "Whites" would be far more monarchist. With only one revolution, and the Reds coming to power in it, the "republican" opposition from otl won't be much in existence.

The formation of the USSR itself, by and large, was several years after the conclusion of the civil war anyways.

The thing is, Nuke, that flag, besides having basically nothing to do with China other than it being from there, was also associated with a dictator, and was never used it more than a small area of China, realistically. Nor does it have anything to do with a Chinese monarchy, excepting that dictator.

The Japanese used it otl - and only for a couple of years, before switching their puppet over to the same flags/emblems as the ROC for several more - largely just to mark a difference from "free" China. Even they didn't care for it.

Basically, the Chinese just aren't going to use that flag. It'd actually be like the Germans using the Nazi flag after the war because the Allies made them use it.

The German tricolor worked otl, because of that difference, and it being about the only flag that they could all tolerate.

Whatever Emperor or what have you comes to power in China, with or without Japanese help, would have some sort of personal or party banner. Pretty much every Chinese flag has been like that, at least to some degree.

Lordganon (talk) 05:13, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

If the Japanese restore him to the Imperial throne, then that flag would indeed be the one used. I'd add some stars or something for the "five races" bit, however - it was rather "in" at the time.

That timeline is ASB in large part because of the Japanese reactions/actions, with those of the Allies not far behind. There's just no way any of them would have done it. It's basically a entire 180 on their aims and cultures.

The idea that Alexander would launch reforms like that has always been a bit overrated, Nuke. He wouldn't have done such a thing to that extent - and his son would have done the same things, as would his grandson.

Actual reforms like that would have negated the Revolutions entirely anyways.

With a different civil war, and them not being imprisoned in advance like otl, more of the royals would get away than in otl too, as an fyi.

Lordganon (talk) 07:25, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Idea for list of Russian presidents and political parties in Russian America timeline
1) Boris Yeltsin (term: 1991-1993)

2) Alexander Rutskoy (term: 1993-2004).

3) Sergey Glazyev (term: 2004-2012)

4) Dmitry Rogozin (term: 2012 - incumbent).

Poltical parties:

"Unity" (Russian: "Единство") - more or less like on United Russia in OTL.

Congress of Russian Communities (Russian: Конгресс Русских общин) - moderate nationalists. In coalition with "Unity".

Social Democratic Front (Russian: Социал-демократический фронт) - more like on Fair Russia in OTL.

Communist Party of Russia (Russian: Коммунистическая партия России) - less like on CPRF in OTL.

A Just Cause (Russian: "Правое дело") - liberal centrists

File:Map of Russia (Russian America).png
The administrative division and the names are rather well made (for a non-Russian) and believable. But one thing I can't understand — it's the name "Dolgaya". Literally it's supposed to mean "The Long Republic"? Quite a weird name, I think. I can't understand how you could come up with something like this. — Hellerick 16:35, October 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, I rather disliked the term "The Siberian Republic", but it wasn't quite implausible, because the people in Novosibirsk indeed like to use the adjective "сибирский" as if it were their own (almost as much as US citizens call themselves Americans, ignoring all the people from other nations of the continent).
 * Since you use the name "Povolzhie", you could use the name "Priobie" (Приобье, Приобская республика) — a similar term derived from the Ob river.
 * And I guess it should be "Chernozemie" (Черноземье) not "Chernozem". "Chernozem" is a kind of fertile soil which can be found even in Canada, "Chernozemie" is a territory in Russia abundant with it. — Hellerick [[Image:Flag of Divnogorsk.svg|20px]] 10:12, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * "Pri-" does not mean "on this side of", it means "close to" or "at" and has no 'border meaning' ("on this side of" would be "pred-"). I don't think there is any sensible explanation why we have "Povolzhie" with "po-" while most other river names accept the prefix "pri-". It's just a matter of tradition.
 * Not sure about the name Yugra, it only belongs to the Khanty and Mansi peoples, and doesn't represent the Russians and the Nenets. Maybe "Yamal-Yugra" (Ямал-Югорская республика)? An easy solution would be "Zauralie" /"Transuralia" (Зауралье) — this name exists, but sometimes it's applied to a much larger territory (up to the Pacific Ocean even). Also, you could name it after Tobolsk — this city is small, but it was very important in the past, in fact originally all Siberia belonged to Tobolsk Governorate, and it's still remembered, the name is kinda "prestigious". — Hellerick [[Image:Flag of Divnogorsk.svg|20px]] 17:56, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

I have shown your map on a Russian forum, and here are responses I've got: — Hellerick 10:26, October 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Valentin N: if the Kurils were taken away, then let König (i.e. Kaliningrad) be given taken away as well. And what's that American's (i.e. your) ethnicity? Is not he a Pole by a chance? (I wonder what made him think so.)
 * Arseniiv: I heard an opinion that the Bashkirs and the Tatars wouldn't agree to live within a single subject (i.e. republic). (BTW, I have similar concerns about Cossackia. It isn't that the Cossacks of the Don, the Kuban, and the Terek are each other's enemies, but they are kinda... too jealous of each other or something. Presidential election campaign would look very ugly here.)
 * Alexi84: I don't like the region name "Yamal". I would never call such a huge territory after some god-forsaken peninsula. I would elimonate Idel-Ural, dividing its territory between Ural and Povolzhie. To many regions in the North Caucasus; I think two would be enough: one for the highlander republics, another for the rest of the territory.
 * Timiriliev: Yakutia is too small. Give us all the Far East and Baikal. (As you can guess, Timiriliev is a Yakut)
 * Antic: I don't like the idea of uniting the Far East and the North East. Those two territories are completely different in their conditions, not to mention that with such a state of affairs all the resources will end up along the Khabarovsk-Vladik (i.e. Vladivostok) axis, and the North will be nothing more than its appendix. The North-Eastern lands could be united with Yakutia. If the Yakutians won't agree to ally with Magadan-Chukotka-Kamchatka, then at least its north-eastern uluses (i.e. counties) (along Kolyma-Indigarka), which are an inalienable part of Beringia, should be taken away. By the way, the Yakutians have appeared there relatively late, they came into the Yukagirs and the Evens' lands only with the Russians.

British North America/Texarkana
I've just made use of the flags you kindly gave me permission to use for my Weird America AH.

You may note that I now have a nation called the Dominion of Canada. It occurred to me that at some point in the future the lands that are "currently" called British North America will become part of Canada proper.

The details in the articles for the various nations in WA are what they would be if the nations existed in the modern day and hopefully I will eventually do more work on the actual timeline to bring it more up to date.

Verence71 (talk) 17:33, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough and point taken :) Verence71 (talk) 22:08, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

You can have permission!
Yes, you can have the AlaskaOil logo finished!

BTW, what would happen to Korea? A dominion of Japan perhaps, like in Myomi Republic?

General tiu (talk) 18:34, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Concept
The powers actually wanted to reunify Germany from the start - their differences, and a Soviet desire for a weak Germany, led to what happened otl. It is, of course, the likely result anyways. But you only have to look at Austria to see how it was supposed to work. A division was never the intent.

As for any parts staying with Germany, it's just not going to happen.

Well done with that block, btw.

Lordganon (talk) 04:49, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

The block was a great length.

Had forgotten about splitting up Germany, lol. Got your timelines mixed up there, slightly - forgot we had discussed a division of Germany like that for this timeline too. With a larger USSR than otl, a division is possible.

The thing is, Nuke, that Poland is in Europe - a whole different ball game from Asia. The other powers won't take that standing down.

For that matter, the Poles won't accept not getting their slice of Germany. And they wanted a lot of it, in exchange for losing half their nation - a loss of territory that the Soviets would still do, and not return any of.

It just doesn't work, Nuke.

As for the Stalin note, it was an attempt to divide the Allies somewhat, and screw up the unification of the western zones. The only way Stalin wanted a unified Germany of any kind was under communist rule. His later notes and overall reaction to the results they had indicate that as well. Very much a bluff.

Lordganon (talk) 01:56, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Russian America Far East
Noticed the new version. Looks good.

I would, however, include most, if not all, of Inner Mongolia in Mongolia as well.

Lordganon (talk) 07:31, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

The British really wouldn't be demanding or annexing anything - they would be wanting Tibet to be independent, and acting as the state guaranteeing said independence. Considering that Tibet was at this point de facto independent, and supported by the Brits, it'd be rather likely. Tibet would likely control the otl Chinese region, and the Tibetan areas outlined on map. The Tibetan state of that era controlled the vast majority of the area on that map, if it helps - the remaining bits are just a few chunks of neighboring provinces.

Japan, however, never actually controlled all of Inner Mongolia.

Otl, the Soviets and China split Mongolia after WWII. With China on the "losing" side here, there'd be no such arrangement. The Soviets would take the entire thing.

Lordganon (talk) 07:32, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Map looks good.

Even a win in that war would not have been enough for Russia to demand the Philippines. Nor could they have taken them in battle. Even raiding there would be a bit of a stretch. It's just so far beyond their abilities.

Well within the rules for you to have idea pages or whatnot in your timeline.

Lordganon (talk) 04:26, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

I have to say, Nuke, Chile joining that union in any form really wouldn't be likely. The people wouldn't stand for it. Lordganon (talk) 06:52, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Fascist China Flag
http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=213503&page=273

Would these help?

General tiu (talk) 16:00, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

I think you could choose which flag do you want for a Fascist China in Russian America. Especially the one with the Nazi style flag with the Chinese character called fu.

Check the red character symbol in this flag.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Republic_of_China_Beiyang_Government_National_Emblem.svg

I also making a new Communist Japan CoA.

http://kyuzoaoi.deviantart.com/art/Emblem-of-the-People-s-Republic-of-Japan-337444199

General tiu (talk) 20:16, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Russia, China, Japan, India, Indochina, and World War II (or V) and the United States of America, and Europe
Hey, Nuke, my fellow not-Russian-Russian. Today I come to you seeking thine consultation on East Asia. So basically it's for my sort-of new timeline A World of Difference, which is an eeny-weeny bit close to the 100 pages. I feel proud of myself, lol.

East Asia
So after a thousand and a half years (and twelve regenerations) of debating on how I could recreate the Pacific War and the East Asian War for my TL, I finally came up with an ingenious solution. Japan ATL was indebted to Russia which supported the collapsing Empire during the Japanese Civil War (1863 - 1867). Thusly, Japan remains on the Allied side, ATL. Meanwhile, in China, the Ming Dynasty continues on, thanks to a Korean invasion of Manchuria in the late 16th century. With no Manchus in power in China, the expansion into the east is tough. At the same time in India, the Mughal Empire has dominated the Indian subcontinent with an iron fist, slightly expanding into Tibet before sideslamming into China. Now, originally, I had China on the Allied side ATL. Then I decided to put it on the Axis side. As you can see on the map at the top, China, Manchuria, Korea, Tibet, Mongolia, etc etc are all red with borders running through them. They're all really part of one big dying China.

So basically, China sides with the Axis and loses the war. The Indians gain Tibet, the Russians Mongolia and Mengjiang, and the Japanese Manchuria, Korea, Formsosa, and Northeastern China (not shown here).

This becomes the map in 2012, missing Mengjiang and Northeastern China, gone back to China:

However, there is the possibility of Northeastern China remaining with the Japanese and Mengjiang to the Russians: This one also shows the Russian guberniyas and US states.

Thoughts on East Asia?

Russia
So, you can see the guberniyas up there. I can name them to you, and maybe you can link them to the guberniyas. So as you can see, 45-47 RIGs (Russian Imperial Guberniyas). Should I add Uyghuristan and Mengjiang? I'm on a streak of killing China right now. And have any better names for North/Inner Mongolia?
 * 1) Russia
 * 2) Karelia
 * 3) Poland
 * 4) Belarus
 * 5) Crimea
 * 6) Ukraine
 * 7) Lithuania
 * 8) Latvia
 * 9) Estonia
 * 10) Kantengrad
 * 11) Manchuria
 * 12) Mongolia
 * 13) Megnjiang (possibility)
 * 14) Finland
 * 15) Slovakia
 * 16) Bessarabia
 * 17) Cossackia
 * 18) Azerbaijan
 * 19) Dagestan
 * 20) Volgagrad
 * 21) Yevreia
 * 22) Altai
 * 23) Kamchatka
 * 24) Samoyeda
 * 25) Kazakhstan
 * 26) Turkmenistan
 * 27) Tajikistan
 * 28) Karakalpakstan
 * 29) Uzbekistan
 * 30) Afghanistan
 * 31) Uyghuristan (possibility)
 * 32) North/Inner Mongolia (got any better names?)
 * 33) Georgia
 * 34) Kurdistan
 * 35) South Ossetia
 * 36) Armenia
 * 37) Nagorno-Karabakh
 * 38) Abkhazia
 * 39) Ingushetia
 * 40) Nakchivan
 * 41) Abjaria
 * 42) Kalmykia
 * 43) Kyrgyzstan
 * 44) Novaya Zemlya
 * 45) Arctica
 * 46) Saamia

Now I'd like to discuss people. (Btw, if I'm driving you crazy at this point in time, ignore this section at least.)

There's a list of Chancellors of the Russian Empire. The gaps are gaps. Have any suggestions to replace Gomyko, Malenkov, and Pawlak?
 * 1) Peter the Great
 * 2) Alexei II
 * 3) Aleksandr Menshikov
 * 4) Mikhail Speransky
 * 5) Fyodor Apraksin
 * 6) Vasily Chichagov
 * 7) Alexander Survorov
 * 8) Mikhail Kutuzov
 * 9) 1800 Aleksey Arakcheyev
 * 10) Pavel Nakhimov
 * 11) Denis Davyov
 * 12) Aleksander Gorchakov
 * 13) Mikhail Skobelev
 * 14) 1900 Sergei Witte
 * 15) Ivan Gormeykin
 * 16) Pyotr Stolypin
 * 17) Vladimir Kokovtsov
 * 18) Grigori Rasputin
 * 19) Boris Sturmer
 * 20) Grigori Rasputin
 * 21) Yakov Sverdlov
 * 22) Mikhail Kalinin
 * 23) Alexander Kerensky
 * 24) Vladimir Ulyanov
 * 25) Leon Bronshtein
 * 26) Dmitri Ulyanov
 * 27) Alexei Kosygin
 * 28) Iosif Stalin
 * 29) Vyascheslav Molotov
 * 30) Georgy Malenkov
 * 31) Nikita Kruschev
 * 32) Georgy Zhukov A
 * 33) Nikolai Podgorny
 * 34) Kliment Voroshilov
 * 35) Nikolai Yezhov
 * 36) Yuri Andropov
 * 37) Yuri Gagarin
 * 38) Leonid Brezhnev
 * 39) Andrei Gromyko
 * 40) Waldemar Pawlak A
 * 41) Andrei Gromyko A
 * 42) Konstantin Chernenko A
 * 43) Ivan Silayev
 * 44) Mikhail Gorbachev
 * 45) Boris Pugo
 * 46) Boris Yeltsin
 * 47) Vladimir Putin 2000
 * 48) Dmitry Medvedev
 * 1) Konstantin Chernenko A
 * 2) Ivan Silayev
 * 3) Mikhail Gorbachev
 * 4) Boris Pugo
 * 5) Boris Yeltsin
 * 6) Vladimir Putin 2000
 * 7) Dmitry Medvedev

United States
Here's a map of the States of the United States, and labelled.



So there's the unlabelled map of the states.



And there's the labelled one. Presidents:
 * Alexandria: OTL Hawaii + some more Polynesian islands. Named so because the...wait for it...RUSSIANS! gained the islands from the Castilians in the Russo-Castilian War (1789-1793) and renamed after the current Tsar, Alexander. In the process they gained the Phillippines, which Castile had just jacked from the Japs, setting the stage for the Japanese Anarchy, which led to the Civil War an entire century later.
 * Vinland: Named so for the fabled Norse settlements. Around the time of Vinlandic statehood (1917), proof was discovered that Leif Ericson beat Colombo and his brothers to the New World, and that he landed there, naming it Vinland. So there, Vinland.
 * Miami: Miami is OTL Indiana, named so for the Miami people and Ft. Miami.
 * Lincoln: To hell with Idaho!
 * Mexico: Interesting thnig here. The French and the Castilians both colonized OTL Mexico. The states of Dauphin, Texas, N. and S. Mexique were picked up on by the French, and California, Pacifica, Aztlan, Yucatan, and Sonora by the Castilians. The Kingdom of Mexique was established by King Louis on the Run when the French Empire invaded (see below).
 * Ohio/Erie/Kentucky: For a twist, I made Kentucky Ohio because Kentucky is on the other side of the Ohio, compared to the OTL Ohio. ATL, OTL Ohio is Erie, for the lake, and we have no Kentucky. I was going to make OTL West Virginia Kentucky, but then I gave Lincoln three terms to speed up Reconstruction and reunite the two West Virginia.
 * Carolina: No North and South ATL, it was just chance OTL.
 * Dakota: No North and South ATL here either, because there's no need ATL.
 * Main article: 

So, comparisons to OTL:

What with the US being formed in the aftermath of the Seven Years' War (called WWI ATL), we have space for some more presidents.
 * Darnell: John Edwards
 * Garter: Al Gore
 * Stevenson: John McCain
 * Morgan: Frank Church
 * Slate: George McGovern
 * S. Kennedy: RFK
 * PFK I: JPK, Sr.
 * PFK II: JFK
 * Anderson: Alben W. Barkley
 * Argon: George Romney
 * Ulyanov: Nikolai Bulganin, lol
 * Jenkins: Charles Curtis
 * Tallen: Herbert Hoover
 * Ruslanov: James A. Reed, lol
 * Cox: James M. Cox
 * Cottman: Al Smith

Summary
That's all for now. Thoughts? Ideas? Questions?

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 21:49, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

LOL DFTBA. Anyways, I had a feeling I would

Asia

Russia controlled Manchuria? When and where was this?

Anyways, no there was not a Russo-Japanese War, the Russians just captured Kamchatka and Northern Sakhalin from the Japs in the Civil War.

So I suppose Mengjiang should just merge with the two Mongolias to form a Greater Mongolia. (KHAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!)

And I guess that we might as well have Greater Turkestan within the Russian Empire as well.

Russia

So what do you suggest I name them? Autonomous Republic of Russian Empire, perhaps?

Ah, pity with the Chancellors. (Actually, I don't any of them either, lol. I only now the modern ones, like Stalin, Rasputin, and Putin.)

United States

I knew you would like the Greater Alaska.

As for the Hawaii-Phillippines-Alaska thing (lol, Crash Course reference), Alaska basically gained independence alongside Hawaii, and the United States just launched an easy three year war and conquered it. As for the Phillippines, it's a World War V thing. China invaded and occupied, then the Americans freed and occupied, and at the end, they're all like "Sorry, we'll keep these for now."

As for Colorado, most of it is really ATL Kansas, I just swapped the names. And there are no Mormons ATL. (That's why I love althistories. Nothing after the POD has to happen.)

As for Cascadia, I refrained from naming it New Caledonia or Vancouver, because both of those are British, and the first chaps there were the Russians. Other name ideas? NovoXYZ perhaps?

As for Robert E. Lee, he's Union ATL, and the Civil War begins in 1857, with an earlier election Lincoln, and ends in 63. Lincoln's still assassinated, however.

Conclusion

No, you haven't dissappointed me. A great man (whose name I forgot) once said, "An answer to a question you ask cannot be taken with offense. Rather, it must be accepted with gratitude." And I agree.

Btw, do you understand my signature? And random question, have you ever seen Epic Rap Battles of History?

Live long and prosper. (Followed by the Spock thing Nerdfighters style.)

 Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:11, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me again.

Asia 4.0

I see. How about a North-South thing with China after the Sino-Japanese War? But Korea is staying Japanese (although it will be Chinese at first).

Russia 4.0

This Russia is the crossroads of history. It's the OTL Empire + elements of the Soviet Union + the Russian Federation.

What does krai mean? (I think we had this discussion before.)

Also, when I named those people, I just meant parallels of them. As most of us know, hardly anyone from OTL exists ATL.

USA 4.0

When I said Crash Course reference, I meant your "John Green from the Past" statement.

Come to think of it, I now want to rename Columbia and Cascasia. Let's see, well, we could call it Beringia, if Vitus Bering came to Alaska and established something like Fort Ross on Vancouver Island maybe? Or after some Tsar, or important Alyeskan person?

Also, I'm currently thinking about what would happen if the Russians stole the Castilian OTL Oregon Territory from them, sort of like in Russian America, and then gain independence earlier, and possibly enter a series of war with America.

Randomness 3.0

Well, there's a German Hitler movie called Der Untergang or Downfall in English. There are people called "Untergangers" who take scenes from the film and add hilarious captions. Hermann Fegelein, OTL Heinrich Himmler's adjutant and later a deserter, is known in the parodies to do ridiculous things (which is why he is called the Antic Master), prompting Hitler to shout "Bringen mie sir Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein!" (Bring me Fegelein in German.)

I made an Untergangsta (alternate to Unterganger) parody once.

Anyways, yeah that's the second-latest ERB. The new was supposed to come out this morning, but hasn't been uploaded yet. (Bruce! Lee! VERSUS! CliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiintEastwooood!)

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''' LIVE LONG AND PROSPER. '''

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 01:12, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Asia 6.0

Then there we have it. Northern Manchuria just fell to the Russian Empire in 1873! Yeah, that's pretty much what it is.
 * Russia 3.0

OK, so I suppose they're krais now. In 1765, Peter the Great of Russia just established the first five krais in Imperial History. Yeah, I was also referring to my little parody on John Green's quotation.
 * USA 3.0

Actually, Paul doesn't exist, ATL. Since Peter the Great stays with his first wife and all. So I think I'll name it Baranov or Baranovia. But then what about Columbia? Anyways, I thought about dividing Alyeska into Beringia, Alyeska, and Yukon, but then I decided I couldn't disrupt the greatness of a whole and solid Alaska. Interesting fact: I was Spock for a school play once.
 * Randomness 5.0

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Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 01:51, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Russia Resurrection

Yes, you're right. Yeah, I guess Baranovia and Cascadia are gonna be the names. Yeah. I did play Spock. Actually it was a play we did for our history class. It was about Gandhi and his peacefulness. At the end I came and said "Live long and prosper." followed by the Spock Salute.
 * America... Fuck Yeah! to the nth Power!
 * Randomness x 1025

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Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 02:23, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Жизнь сейчас и процветает

Thanks for all your help! I am indebted to you forever! And thanks for the congrats, lol.

 умникИстребители

 Живут дольше и Проспер Подробнее. 

Фегеляйн! Фегеляйн! Фегеляйн! 02:35, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, Peter the Great of Russia was obsessed with calling everything in western manner, so it's unlikely that he would choose the name "krai" (of Slavic origin) for the new territorial units. — Hellerick 02:42, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know what's going on in this timeline, so I can't tell what's better for it. Probably, if there was a serious re-arrangement of the territorial division in the 19th or 20th century, a more Slavophilic emperor could choose the name "krai". But not in the 18th century. Back then all the Russian emperors and embresses pretended they lived in Western Europe. — Hellerick 03:13, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Фегеляйн! Фегеляйн! Фегеляйн! 03:18, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Lol, I made the video. Anyways, you're talking to Hellerick as I see. Do you want to speak with him directly or would you prefer to remain the middleman? The reformed reforms took place in the 1850s. Also,

 умникИстребители 

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Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 03:45, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, I'm considering making all of Sweden Russian territory. (Krai, guberniya, state, province, whatever.) Why, you may ask? Because, Russia launched a series of wars against Sweden in the 1650s, wherein it gained massive portions of Northern Sweden as well as all the Baltic territory and Finland. Russia did, however, win by enough to conquer the entire nation. Thoughts? Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 03:16, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Ah. I see. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 05:37, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Btw, do you have any ideas for an ATL flag for Greece and/or Baranovia? For Greece I was thinking a horizontal purple-white-gold tricolor. I saw it somewhere, but I forgot where. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 21:50, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Some Vexill Ology for you to critique.

DFTBA. LLAP. (A Vulcan would not scream so.) Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 04:49, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Peru-Bolivia idea
Hi Nuc. Well, just in this moment i don't feel good u_u (familiar sad news), but don't worry... i will try to help you. I think that there is some things that could be useful for your idea, but i need to read again some documents for be sure. Give me a time. --Katholico (talk) 02:31, November 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Just a recent news that i recieved. But don't worry, i think is better for me to focus my attention in other things in this moment. Thanks for your concern Nuc :)
 * Well, if your want that the Confederation survives and expand later to other countries, maybe the best option is not change something in the own Confederation, but instead in the place where the major menace to the Confederation arose: Chile. I said this, because was Chilean government lead by the Conservatives -and specially Diego Portales- who oppose to Santa Cruz's plans (Argentina also opposed but was Chile who face the most part of the war). They rules Chile since 1829, when they won the (First) Civil War and defeat to the Liberals, led by Ramón Freire. Freire was friend from Luis José de Orbegoso y Moncada (Santa Cruz's ally); in fact, previous to the war, Santa Cruz support an Freire's expedition to Chile for overthrow to Conservative government (obviously he failed). If the Liberals won the civil war in Chile, the Freire government probably would become in a Confederation's ally, the war never happen (as Argentina probably not want to go the war without allies) and eventually Chile would accept to join to Santa Cruz.
 * I don't know what you think? Of course, is just a possibility. If you want another way for to make that the Confederation survives, just tell me and i will think in other options. XD
 * By the way, this idea seems ironic since that we discussed before about Chile and his expansion to the Patagonia due to the presence of Gran Colombia in the north XD Remember? Regards --Katholico (talk) 03:37, November 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much Nuc ^_^ I appreciate it.
 * Yes, the Russia aid to the Liberal government of Freire seems a good idea.
 * Tawantisuyo, yes... I remember that. An idea from User:Venezuela and me, about a new union of Peru-Bolivia. Considering that re-create the Inca Empire is the Santa Cruz's goal the name maybe work.
 * You're welcome :) Regards and thanks --Katholico (talk) 04:39, November 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks, I feel better ^^
 * WOW, god job with the Tawantisuyo expansion.
 * I'm glad that you remember the Divided Argentina idea :D I have some questions: So, Paraguay and Uruguay remain also independents? And what is your plan for the relations between Tawantisuyo and Brazil (I assume the two big powers in South America)? Regards! --Katholico (talk) 03:53, November 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * i see. I ask because i was thinking in the possibility that Paraguay (due to small size) join to the Argentine Confederation or that Uruguay join to Buenos Aires (giving the political ties between both governments). Maybe that they remains independent be more plausible, but also I have another idea: A conflict between Brazil and Paraguay/Argentine Confederation, but in which Tawantisuyo support in secret to the ArgentinaConf/Paraguay alliance due to the threat of the Brazilian expansion. As result, Brazil is defeated and the Argentina Confederation gained access to Atlantic through . In this scenario, Brazil and Tawantisuyo has a mutual rivalry, but they don't fight directly. What you think? Regards! --Katholico (talk) 06:06, November 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see. Well, i must admit that -in a personal level- i was not a fan of such idea of Chile joining to the Confederation XD But I supported it for your timeline because the history of my country and my people show me that in fact would be possible in THAT age and UNDER THAT (Freire) leadership. Was my opinion as chilean :) However, if you consider now that this idea show more difficulties, then, no problem. The new idea about a loyalist Viceroyalty of Peru sound good, but i think that in this case, Tawantisuyo would not expand to the Patagonia. With the San Martin's defeat probably Argentinean provinces don't fight between them due to the spanish threat in the other side of the Andes. Argentina remain united for to defend himself from Peru and eventually the country expand to the Patagonia like OTL. Regards! --Katholico (talk) 20:20, December 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Don't worry Nuc ^_^ For me there is no problem with that ideas about Chile. This is Alternate History after all... diferent things can happen... since NO Chile to a Greater Chile xD Jejeje Every time I try to be objective when i help. For this, I supported the "union" idea as something possible from my view of the chilean society and history. Besides, Chile can be defeated and conquered but I still help if someone ask me help and I will do the best.
 * Sorry for my questions about US and Mexico xD
 * About Argentina, well, you may be right.
 * The Cuyo Region. Good point. This is why i said before that Tawantisuyo would not expand to the south... or at least inside the Argentinean territory. I believe that Cuyo in this scenario would not be interested in joining to Tawantisuyo. The idea only works with a free Chile. Joining to Tawantisuyo, would be like as rejoining to Spain.
 * Well, again, don't worry. Do with Chile the best for your timeline. Always i will be glad to help. Regards! --Katholico (talk) 06:27, December 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Demons! I had a link with many information about this but i lost it! T_T Sorry. I will try to find the page or others. mmm the paralel with the New England is interesting (even I thought it) but i think that there is differences, including the fact that there still existed a pro-former metropolis feeling, while in Cuyo no. However, if you think that Cuyo secession is still possible... well, is your timeline XD Regards! --Katholico (talk) 19:56, December 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * I must say it. Seeing the reasons from your point of view, now i think that there is a chance for the Cuyo idea in this new scenario. :) Regards --Katholico (talk) 00:19, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

Korea in Russian America
I think Korea still being incorporated to Japan would be a problem. First, it bordered the USSR and the USSR would definitely send aid to pro-independence guerrillas. There could be still a Korean War or Border War between Russia and Japan. There would still be a definite Korean independence movement even if Japanese rule is delayed to 1922-1930. To counter that, there might be some solutions:


 * Korea is a dominion of the Japanese Empire a-la OTL Canada. I think this is your default scenario for now.


 * Korea was given independence from Japan to throw a bone into the anti-Communist Koreans. As a result, the pro-Soviet Korean position is weakened and eventually destroyed.


 * Third, I think you need to rewrite Korea's history here. The Koreans got a Meiji by the Russians in 1850s. They are merely just become Japanese puppets in 1922, ala OTL Manchukuo. However, after WWII, the Koreans were finally given full authority on their affairs, in the condition that they will not turn against Japan. The Koreans keep their promise, though begrudgingly at first, but genuinely developed into a friendship.

What is your answer?

Also, I think the Philippines in Russian America might be forcibly Russianized so that an indpendent Philippines might be called very differently.

General tiu (talk) 03:38, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

New NU Article
Though you may like to know that a new user has made an article in New Union on the "Supreme Soviet of Russia."

You can find it here.

Lordganon (talk) 09:07, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

Please forgive me for those two unproductive edits. I did them by mistake. Seryo93 (talk) 17:01, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

In OTL the Russian name for "Federal Soviet" is "Совет Федерации", not "Федеральный Совет". And if you still insist on using this name, you should do something with its romanization (in the article, "Верховный" is romanized as "Verkhov ny ", "Федеральный" as "Federal niy " - the same cyrillic letter sequences are romanized with different Latin letters). — Hellerick 17:56, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

The Soviet of Representatives (Russian: Совет Представителей, Sovet Predstaviteley): in Russian we don't use the word "представитель" ("representative") for members of the parliament. We use the word "депутат" ("deputy"). So, it should rather be "Совет Депутатов". In the soviet times it was called "Совет Народных Депутатов" ("The Soviet of the People's Deputies"). — Hellerick 18:17, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

Awesomeness 2.0
I'm back to blow your minds out again. Sorry.

This won't be as complicated as last time, I'm sure. Here's my map. Would you have any idea as to how I should throw regional subdivisions in countries like Brazil, Colombia, Italy, and China? I have little to no experience in these areas and I seeketh help.



As you probably guessed by now, I'm making several different versions of the same map.

LLAP. PALL. DFTBA.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 03:30, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Hey
I see your undoing my edits. Im deeply sorry. Im still kindof new to this wiki you know.AltHistoryGeek (talk) 22:03, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

Japan in Russian America
Would Japan be organized a bit like this...

http://ib.frath.net/w/Japan

Let's suppose that the Japanese Emperor is also by default, the Korean Emperor. Korea is a part of Japan, but had autonomy, same as Taiwan. Japanese and Korean are co-offiical languages.

Would this work?

Also, what of Africa in Russian America? Would it be the same in OTL? My suggestion is that the Spanish, with Peru still in Spanish hands, had colonized more of Africa, e.g. Morocco and Mauretania would be Spanish, as well as all of Cameroon.

General tiu (talk) 17:12, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

The idea would be awesome!

Also, how each German state is organized?

General tiu (talk) 21:31, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

LOL!
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2012/12/03/infamous-world-leaders-reimagined-as-moe-characters

I loled at Idol Singer Kim Il Sung, Stalin, Meganekko Mussolini, and others.

Of course, there is the obligatory Hitler.

But my favorite is the MILF Tito. The kids are probably presidents of the Yugoslav republics.

Any opinion?

General tiu (talk) 01:56, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

Uh. I'm sorry for that. I have a better link, though:

http://kotaku.com/5965074/hitler-in-a-mini+skirt-and-stalin-in-hot-pants-infamous-dictators-as-anime-ladies/gallery/1

Really, the Japanese can make anything cute. Even in a most politically incorrect manner.

Speaking of which, there goes again my Hetalia idea for Russian America.

Germany is killed for real,, or maybe their fate with Prussia switched; not a real nation, but still existing for some reason. China is the Axis member and not Japan. There will be characters for Swabia and Hanover [there are characters for Bavaria and Hesse in OTL already]. Alaska maybe either a parka-wearing Aleut girl or a guy that looks like Russia but much more bratty. Mexico might appear unlike in OTL, maybe as a girl who wears either a Maid costume or a poncho. Canada will be named Mathew Guillaume, because his French side dominates over his English side. Might be even more grumpy. Borealia might look like a cross between OTL America and Canada.

I am still iffy for Soviet republics, but at least Tibet and Mongolia had OTL designs. I could say that Uyghuristan might be a big-browed woman that eerily reminds people of Tsumugi Kotobuki in K-ON!! Manchuria is essentially a short-haired version of Hanako Ikezawa of Katawa Shoujo.

What do you think?

General tiu (talk) 03:56, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

Comments
Whoa! Calm down a smidgen, Nuke. No need to be frustrated.

Remember, I rarely shoot anything down entirely - by and large, I smooth out the ideas you present.

That last post, for instance, I didn't shoot the concepts down, overall - just that they needed to be slightly toned down. As you've said before, you do tend to be a touch too enthusiastic. I can see how that could be frustrating overall, mind.

The ideas, overall, were good. Really, I think that you should restore them and modify them slightly to make them better. Well.... I know you don't care much for monarchies, so I suspect you'd not want to do the Italy one, but that's your prerogative. They're both good ideas, you just took them a little too far, you know?

Really, I even said that in my post - like I almost always do.

I'm sorry that I got you so frustrated. You know that wasn't intended.

Lordganon (talk) 10:33, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

Glad to see that you're looking at monarchies more now ^^

Nuke, I see far worse than that on here all the time. Admin abuse is a real issue, lol!

You didn't screw up - you just got caught up in it slightly too far. It happens.

Think of the cold war this way - it'll be less bad in Europe, but worse in Asia. Japan will be more opposed to them, and China will be too.

Fair warning - before you get too far into the Japan bit, you probably should remove the Ainu part. There's less than 25,000 of them in Japan today, and if you add the Kurils to that, there's only a couple more thousand. The Japanese really don't recognize them as existing, if they can avoid it, either. They wouldn't get their own region.

Lordganon (talk) 10:32, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

I'd guess that with it being China defeated and not Japan, there'd have been far more fighting in Indochina - the Chinese would invade in "support" of their brethren. Probably about the same logic as Japan towards the rest of Asia otl.

However, with Japan on the wining side, and a Vietnamese nationalist regime in power to some degree at war's end, like otl, Japan probably wouldn't like the French and later Americans trying that one. Unlike China otl, Japan wouldn't be weak - they'd have to listen to them. Ho~ wasn't even all that radical a communist, anyways - non-communist support would probably tip him to like otl Yugoslavia, if not further.

Really, you can use the same logic for the rest of SE Asia - decolonization would in many ways go better, I'd think. Fighting like in Vietnam otl would surely happen elsewhere, however.

The name change helps the Hokkaido bit on that map, Nuke. Really would not be connotations to the extent of otl with regards to it, either.

Still, while there is indeed a bit of a "otherness" to the area, the inhabitants would be Japanese, and not with any real cultural differences. Even with Japanese immigration and the minorities elsewhere becoming more Japanese in attitudes, they are still going to be the majorities in those areas, or at least significant minorities to be dealt with. Just doesn't work with Hokkaido.

The Kurils, however, given what I understand of the history, would still have one of these regions.

Lordganon (talk) 11:07, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Coats of Arms of Russian America
I think, there is already had a CoA for a Soviet Mongolia.

http://kyuzoaoi.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d5l3cax

I don't know how would the Uyghur SSR and Manchu SSR get their CoAs, though.

Also found rejects for the Communist Chinese national emblem. These might be useful in the future.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_China_National_Emblem%27s_Design,_Tsinghua_University.jpg

This might be also be useful for the emblem of the Manchu SSR.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Early_Draft_of_the_Emblem_of_North_Korea.jpg

General tiu (talk) 20:57, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Long Island
Hey, Nuke. Can't help but notice what seems to be an over-reaction on minor changes to this article. What do you plan to do with this article? The chages were not even bothersome, much less "excessive vandalism." Sure, the guy put a remark in the comment line about "needing more love," but is that really a threat to your control over the article. From what I see Salnax is mostly into his own technological dream of a world without PlayStation. SouthWriter (talk) 18:26, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

My apologies, Nuke, I was in a hurry earlier and did not scroll down to see that Salnax had added a whole section about Politics. That was indeed a violation of your control of the article. I must be getting old. Thanks for putting up with me. :-)  SouthWriter (talk) 05:40, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

I wanted to apologize again. I honestly didn't know what the protocol for article ownership was around here. Thank you for putting up with my newcomer's ignorance. :-) --Salnax (talk) 19:07, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

The welcome message
Hello, Nuke. I've got a problem that unfortunately points in your direction. :-(

You deleted very one of the flags that used to decorate the welcome message on my talk page at the first of December. I know I should have noticed a week or two ago, but your note on the 12th was the first one I've got since you did the house cleaning that just so happened to take away the files that adorned that friendly message from an administrator of times gone by.

By the way, the name on that automatic post has also disappeared. I checked your archived page 1, and that notice is fully operational -- different flags, and presumedly different administrator. I can restore the files or just archive the message like you did. I think, as a piece of my history, I'd rather restore the files. They may be "dulicates" but they were the ones that welcomed me to this wiki. As for whose name was attached to that welcome, that is apparently lost for good. SouthWriter (talk) 03:33, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

UPDATE: It seems you got around to fixing (or redirecting) the links about the time I was restoring the third file. Thanks. SouthWriter (talk) 03:55, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

Sin Destino
Hi Nuc! It's Me again XD I can ask your opinion for a TL from a friend? Is the spanish version of No Destiny, where the US fight alone for his independence and the war extend for ten years. Only in 1786 Britain recognize the independence of the United States, but the treaty established that the country cannot intervene in foreign conflicts, which eventually lead to a politic of neutrality of US, and don't expand to the west and other parts. He also began to write an list of presidents, but need opinions about. Can you help please? Regards! --Katholico (talk) 18:03, December 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks Nuc, he said that the advices was useful :) By the way, when you say that Quebec and Canada gaining Independence is something confused, you refer to No Destiny from this wiki, right? And, he has planned to make to Louisiana independent from France later. Regards! --Katholico (talk) 02:03, December 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Wow, thanks for the map! :)
 * My friend has clarified that he don't copy many things of No Destiny for the spanish TL (including the Wisconsin Republic, Deseret, etc). He indeed put to Canada and Quebec as independent, but not during the american revolution, instead many years later. But you think that is possible que Quebec gaining his independence along with US en 1786?
 * So, Florida is purchase by the US, and Columbia and California born as indepedent states in the west (he is okay with that ideas).
 * He ask me also for Napoleon and Europe situation in this ATL, and if is possible a napoleonic victory. You have any ideas? Regards! --Katholico (talk) 18:45, December 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * OK. Yes, he want to make Quebec independent, but not during the American Revolution. So, i guess that this probably will take place during the XX Century. Thanks for all your help :D No problem about Napoleon, so, I will ask to Chris about. Regards! --Katholico (talk) 02:23, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

13 Fallen Stars
I want to know what's happening with 13 Fallen Stars. The timeline's talkpage peters out around October, so I was wondering what was happening with that. Yank 03:24, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Doomsday Advice
Sorry the reply took so long, Nuke - busy time of year, you know?

It's a very feasible idea, I believe. I know it's been talked about before, too.

Essentially, it would be Cape Cod joining Plymouth, and the rest continuing on as the "Outer Lands," correct? Very doable. I would not, however, bet on any of the islands joining Plymouth with the Cape. The Cape has always been a touch odd on there, while the islands made more sense.

Unless you manage to get hold of Arstar, I believe I still have some authority from him for things of his - you've got my go ahead for the Plymouth end and parts of the Outer Lands, though still try for his, and if he refuses, it'd be a "no" overall. Can't see him doing that, however, considering he's always hated Cape Cod being in the Outer Lands.

Past that, I think things devolve on you, Brian, and MasterSanders.

Btw, the correct spot on the DD page would be the section titled "1.1 Countries/Regions/Politics," near the top of the talk page.

Lordganon (talk) 10:53, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket joining Plymouth doesn't really make any sense, Nuke. They have little to nothing in common with it, compared to the rest of the Outer Lands. Cape Cod does, however, have a fair portion in common. That's what all the issues with the state have been about in the past, and I think one of the articles even states that there is a movement on the cape to do just as you're asking. The name of the rest - i.e. without Cape Cod - would continue to be the same.

Note, however, that this would be a modern, ongoing development, not something in the past.

Lordganon (talk) 11:01, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Not "down the toilet" at all, Nuke.

Nuke, the Outer Lands being its current entity, and the squabbles with Plymouth, have been canon for a while - and are referenced in a few spots, far as I remember.

Misspoke slightly when I said "modern" and "ongoing" - last couple of years works well too. As a matter of fact, Plymouth's actions regarding Vermont in March of 2010, when they "requested" the "return" of Vermont's Massachusetts lands to Plymouth, would make more sense had they just had Cape Cod join them.

Given dates of contact, however, any such actions have to be after 2007. The Outer Lands just were not really in touch with anyone prior to then.

As I said, it is a good idea for Cape Cod to do it. The dates just need to "mesh."

Only problem, overall, is a news update Arstar put up on the main page last August, though he never did anything with it, so I figure I can just remove it. Not like his opinion changed, he just decided not to fight anymore over it. The opinions and words on the pages in question did not change, after all.

Lordganon (talk) 05:25, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, that is a bit odd that Block never was when the rest were.

By my guesswork, and given the areas of Cape Cod that are part of that area and not under Plymouth authority, Long Island would be dominant, with or without the Cape.

Go with 2009 as a date.

Lordganon (talk) 02:34, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

No, not really a wasteland. It's not all that big of a strike, compared to some, and there would be a ground passage by this point.

Plymouth also controls the very tip of Cape Cod, having taken possession of Provincetown and the Coast Guard station there early on. Elements fleeing Otis made contact with them, even though they fled to Plymouth.

The strike, overall, is basically no problem to any unification.

The map was duplicated by the system when I chose it for a list of images shown when the wiki is featured, etc.

Lordganon (talk) 07:07, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Different sizes - different targets need different scale of attacks, and both parties do only have a limited number of each size.

Don't remember saying that before, but it would not be the case by now - there would indeed be some land access.

It's not really much smaller - by this point, only the base itself would be an area no one could go.

The logic for Provincetown, by and large, is that it is close to Plymouth by water, and would have heard from there before hearing from the county government about the formation of the OL. The survivors from the base heading, in part, to the Coast Guard station there is another part of it.

Up to you as to what to do with the Cape.

Yes, it's a part of the system I did not care for. It should have just let us use images on the wiki instead of making us do what amounted to uploading to their files in addition. At least it doesn't register to the system as copies, I suppose.

Picked that map because it is clean, and shows the concept well. It's also one I'm more or less sure is done.

Don't know about length. My thought really was to have them up there until more obvious edited pictures came up, ala~ confederate planes, etc., minimum, and probably longer.

If you want me to remove it, say the word.

Lordganon (talk) 03:28, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

Think of it this way - if a 1 MT nuke, larger than the one used there is likely to have been, detonated on the base, it would have a ring of fires around it that would temporarily block land access. That's about the most that would block a land path, long-term. Have a look at it on this simulator. The area west of Barnstable gets more or less eliminated, but the coastal area would eventually become passable again.

I'd also add to Provincetown that the Otis strike's radiation would have, to some degree, cut off land access to there too.

What can I say, Nuke? You do good maps, lol.

The Doomsday stub template, not the regular stub category markers, goes on any DD stubs. No worries.

Lordganon (talk) 08:13, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

On Otis, nothing larger than maybe 600-700kt in size. You have to add a range beyond what it indicates to take into account the spread of fires in the aftermath as well.

...One is specifically designed for Doomsday articles, the other is not. There's a difference. And as a Doomsday stub, it has to be there, at least for now. Sorry.

That being said, you can have it at the bottom like that.

Lordganon (talk) 09:20, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

If you think that's interesting, try the other simulator and do the largest one - it's an asteroid impact, ala~ the one that killed the dinosaurs. The simulator can also do fallout directions, though only on compass points, and is far worse overall.

Actually, I've got reactors running in a few of my articles, and a few other states are working on bringing more back into running order. In fact, the reopening of Big Rock Point Nuclear Power Plant, in northern Michigan, was a major talking point in the recent Superior election. Rhodope and Transylvania are also looking at restarts on the near-future.

Yes, go for it - them finalizing construction and getting it running certainly is possible. They were designed for the long haul, after all.

Overall, it fits with the timeline too - many areas turned to nuclear power after DD. Far as I know, in fact, it's the biggest source of power for Siberia today, atl.

As to my opinions.... well, there's been a reactor proposed for Northern Alberta, to power the oilsands machinery, for quite some time, and I support it, so....

Lordganon (talk) 06:57, December 23, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, that asteroid impact is interesting, lol. If only the rest of that simulator was very good...

Would indeed be a lot of possibilities.

Well, by and large, the plants weren't targets. In and itself, the EMP takes them out, and other strikes render them useless, by and large. Most of the ones in mainland Europe, of course, got destroyed by other means, but elsewhere a fair number survived.

Most were shut down, though a few were not, before they could overload. We've kinda left that off to the side, as we've no way to tell for sure exactly which went off.

Nuclear reactors, however, are meant to be quite resistant to damage, EMP, and time. They've lasted the decades much better than any other kind of plant, hydro aside. In many areas, they are the only real power source left, between the plant still standing and stockpiles of fuel, useless for other purposes, still being there. In other countries, getting cut off from the outside world - the Nordic Union being a good example - either entirely, or to some degree, led to them becoming dependent on their nuclear plants for at least a while.

It's led to them getting into use, despite Doomsday. For several countries, it's the only source of power, even today. A few areas that don't have them otl have even built new ones, and others have had them rushed compared to otl, like in the UAR. Others have lasted longer than they lasted before being decommissioned otl - a few in Australia, for instance, probably ran a half-decade or more past those dates from otl.

Odd, but interesting. Look forward to seeing it.

Lordganon (talk) 07:41, December 23, 2012 (UTC)

Well, not too rushed, lol. But certainly less humming and hawing about it than otl.

Do as you want with that guy. If I see him doing it I'll take care of it, of course.

Got me as to what the heck Brez was going on about. Haven't talked to him, or anything, and I certainly haven't blocked him.

Lordganon (talk) 01:32, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

You really couldn't have know about the categories bit. No worries. Lordganon (talk) 03:57, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Logical enough for them to expand further west onto the island. Go for it.

Given the size and shape of the Cape, and the strength of the blast, Cape Cod does get unscathed. It's only a direct attack on a single small corner of it.

Odd that no one noticed that typo before you, lol.

Lordganon (talk) 12:08, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Manchuria translation
http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/mnc/Solho_gurun

I edited a bit your Manchuria page in Russian America. I added the word Irgen Gurun to mean Republic. I don't mean to interfere, I just want to add help.

Some English-Manchu-Chinese dictionary

http://www.anakv.com/Blog/index.php?job=art&articleid=a_20060818_221852

A Chinese Manchu Translator

http://www.anakv.com/dict/

Here is the name of USSR in Manchu after trying to figure it out through the Internet: Lianbang Suweiai Shehuijuyi Irgen Gurun. The full name of the Manchurian SSR is Manju Suweiai Shehuijuyi Irgen Gurun. The word Workers of the world unite would probably this... Weilisi i jalan jecen, holbombi!

Any objections, you could ask...

General tiu (talk) 21:09, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

problem when adding the anthems
I add the anthems and click on save page but when I see the page edited the new anthems do not appear, they only appear in the edited page.

Oh, btw, LordGanon blocked me because "adding gibberish/nonsense to the pages", when you gived me permission for the anthems thing. I am starting to get fed up of his rudeness, could you say something to he?

Breizhcatalonia1993 (talk) 11:53, December 25, 2012 (UTC)

Ok then, I will give you the titles of the anthems and I hope that you put it in the anthem's page, what's the problem on editing the page?

Breizhcatalonia1993 (talk) 18:09, December 25, 2012 (UTC)

English in Cyrillic?
Found this in Ill Bethisad...

http://ib.frath.net/w/English#English_as_a_World_Language

A version of a Cyrillic English alphabet. English in Russian Alaska would both use the North American standard and at the same time, had more native Alaskan and native American borrowings as well as Russian. The folks in IB also made an English Cyrillic alphabet...

Here is the version...

Alternately, they could also use this...

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%BD%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%BE-%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F

Any opinion?

General tiu (talk) 02:08, December 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * BTW, I have developed my own version of the English Cyrillic alphabet. — Hellerick [[Image:Flag of Divnogorsk.svg|20px]] 03:03, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

This is quite surprising to find in my messages.

Very intriguing idea. I had no idea this was even a possibility. I love IB, and I keep forgetting that Oregon is Russian (more amazed of the "White USSR" and Gorby with a mustache [he's pretty good with Photoshop, I'll give him that]).

As for incorporating this into Russian America, funny you should mention this. However, I was more interested in Alaska and Russia standardizing a latinitsa (Russian Latin alphabet). This is because Alaska would be the only American nation to not use the Latin alphabet, putting more pressure to go in this direction, rather than standardizing an English Cyrillic alphabet. However, I could still see the Russo-Alaskan domination also put pressure on the Anglo-Alaskans that they may indeed Cyrillicize the English alphabet. Though non of these would become official (Russian will still be Cyrillic and English will still be Latin).

Thank you both, this sure made my day. It was sure a brain exercise to read English in Cyrillic (but I did it ^_^). --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 04:02, December 30, 2012 (UTC)