Talk:476 AD: Decline of Rome (Map Game)

Didn't you say you were going to lay off the map games on the Vive le revolution game page? Don't you already have a bunch of map games going on? Anwyays, that map is very inaccurate. LurkerLordB (Talk) 17:18, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

yeah, but i dont care if people are mad me unless its for a good reason, and im not going to punish myself just because there mad at me. and thats the best map i could find,its horrible i know, if you can a better one, please psot it on the page for all to see. DeanSims 17:20, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

We should place the game somwhere in the 570s, because he shows the Sui Dynasty on the map, although the Zhou Dynasty and Chen Dynasty were there at the time, and nowhere in the green area. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:21, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

I no longer trust Deansims to moderate any map game. I really want to play in this time period, but his recent implausibility-fest on Vive le Revolution has made me lose all hope for him as a moderator. And that was your second chance after Fractured America. LurkerLordB (Talk) 17:25, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

i couldnt find amap form 476. but were all paying the game, so should we change the year?

DeanSims 17:25, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

dont worry LL, evryone who has already signed up doesnt like me, they'll yell at me if I screw up. DeanSims 17:27, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Sims, you are aware that the Red nation in control of Italy is the Ostrogoth Kingdom, the nation I am playing as, right? Monster Pumpkin 17:30, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

yes, i just reaized that, and scarwdad erased the game posts anyway DeanSims 17:32, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

"Scarwdad" did that because we're talking here. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:35, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

sorry, i type fast and worry about spelling later. no offense to your name.

And now DeanSims removed me from the list of mods. I didn't say I was approved, I was just applying for the job. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:37, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Guys, lets calm down. Its seems like things are getting tense here, so let me sing you all a song.

Fourtantly, you guys couldn't hear that because it did not sound well. Anyways, did the Aztecs exist at this time. Also, I don't think it would be a problem to make this game, since Hot Cold War looks like it is going to die, or might continues as an ASB game.TacoCopper 18:24, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

No, the Aztecs did not exist at this time. And yes, Hot Cold War was ruined a long time ago. Sadly, but still. Monster Pumpkin 18:26, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Better Map
Here is a better map.

LurkerLordB (Talk) 18:45, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

ALRIGHT, WE WILL USE THAT ONE, THANKS Lurker Lord. DeanSims 18:47, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

It is good, but we will need to color every player's nation so we don't get confused. Monster Pumpkin 18:48, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, Let's use the normal colors: China Green, France/Frankish Empire Blue, etc.

WILL DO. DeanSims 18:50, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Make Strathclyde a different shade of green le do thoil. CrimsonAssassin 18:59, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Here is a link to a labelled version of the map: Better Map Also, can I be a moderator/mapmaker (since I made the map). If I can do that, I can be sure of keeping Deansims from being implausible, and I will play the game. LurkerLordB (Talk) 20:31, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead. Monster Pumpkin 20:34, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Also, for the Americas, the city states next to the Mayas are the Veracruz, and the South American ones, the northern city states are the Huari, and the southern are the Tiwanaku.LurkerLordB (Talk) 20:58, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Question
Since, I'll be playing an nation in the New World (Mayans), is it possible to settle other parts of the nation that are far from my originial location, such as small colonies on Florida or the OTL East Coast. Enclavehunter 19:04, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

i would say thats ok, i mean, your staying in the Carribean so I think thats fair. DeanSims 19:07, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Hunnic Empire
The Hunnic Empire dissolved in 469. Sorry, Monster Pumpkin. CrimsonAssassin 19:10, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

That may be tru, but then what is that nation above the Byzantine Empire? A Hunnic survivor state maybe? Monster Pumpkin 19:11, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

that would be the Gepid Kingdom DeanSims 19:17, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

you could be the Crimean Goths, which is just south of the Hun tribes, conquer those and rename yourself the Hunnic EMpire. DeanSims 19:20, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Why couldn't I just be the Huns on the map Lurker made?

The Name of this Map Game
Not that it has to do with anything, but this map game's name is kinda annoying me. Whenever I see it, all that goes off in my head is "London Bridge is falling down, falling down". I am not saying we have to change it, I just wanted to bring it up and see if anyone else feels this way.TacoCopper 19:37, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

dude, thats what i thought when I named the game, if you guys want to hange you can, just keep 476 AD in it somewhere, or at least something about Rome, the Fall of Rome is used so often it just doesnt sound right. DeanSims 19:39, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

How 'bout 476 AD: Decline of Rome.TacoCopper 19:44, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

that works great, it keeps the basicname but doesnt annoy us of that song, speaking of which:

London Bridge is broken down, Falling down, falling down. London Bridge is falling down, My fair lady.

Build it up with wood and clay, Wood and clay, wood and clay, Build it up with wood and clay, My fair lady.

Wood and clay will wash away, Wash away, wash away, Wood and clay will wash away, My fair lady.

Build it up with bricks and mortar, Bricks and mortar, bricks and mortar, Build it up with bricks and mortar, My fair lady.

Bricks and mortar will not stay, Will not stay, will not stay, Bricks and mortar will not stay, My fair lady.

Build it up with iron and steel, Iron and steel, iron and steel, Build it up with iron and steel, My fair lady.

Iron and steel will bend and bow, Bend and bow, bend and bow, Iron and steel will bend and bow, My fair lady.

Build it up with silver and gold, Silver and gold, silver and gold, Build it up with silver and gold, My fair lady.

Silver and gold will be stolen away, Stolen away, stolen away, Silver and gold will be stolen away, My fair lady.

Set a man to watch all night, Watch all night, watch all night, Set a man to watch all night, My fair lady.

Suppose the man should fall asleep, Fall asleep, fall asleep, Suppose the man should fall asleep? My fair lady.

Give him a pipe to smoke all night, Smoke all night, smoke all night, Give him a pipe to smoke all night, My fair lady.[1]

Plausibiliy
I agree with this. For China, I will overthrow dynasty over dynasty. Each dynasty will lose land somehwere to get land somewhere else. But it'll take hundreds of turns to reach the 20th Century. In fact, one hundred days from now, we'll be in 1476-1480. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:55, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) I think it should take at least 8 years (2 turns) for city states to unite to form a nation, and 16 years (4 turns) for tribes to establish a new nation (if people want to play as them).
 * 2) We need to make a rule that no nation lasts forever. All nations on that map will eventually be invaded or broken apart. That's what happened in real life, its implausible for nations to last forever. You could control the fragments or new dynasty or the invaders or whatever.
 * 3) The faster a nation expands, the sooner it will fall. Look at superfast expansion, like the Mongols, Napoleonic French, or Nazis. All of them either broke apart or were defeated because they expanded so fast. So people can expand really fast, but then they'll break up a generation or two later.
 * 4) No nation lasts its whole existance without losing anything. People need to have edges of their territory be lost until modern times.
 * 5) Decolonization should occur in the twenthieth century. LurkerLordB (Talk) 20:47, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

It'll become a republic somehwere in 1930 to 1940. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:56, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know what I'll do. I plan to keep the dynasty that Charlemagne was part of to rule for as long as possible, but I will lose land and have civil wars and such. Eventually I am planning for it to become a constituitional monarchy, but I don't know when. Monster Pumpkin 21:00, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

So could I be able to create a nation just out of some tribes over 16 years. And if I do, do I have to use historical tribes that become a nation, or could I just use any tribes in that area. TacoCopper

Tribes in the area, as long as it is plausible to do so (the Eskimos probably won't create a huge empire). Also, the new nation would start out really small, it wouldn't be a huge nation all at once. LurkerLordB (Talk) 22:43, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

I can live with that, turns out I made a mistake and the nation I have chosen is squeezed between a rock and a hard place. TacoCopper 23:04, March 31, 2012 (UTC)