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This article is the sandbox subpage for NuclearVacuum. All sections here are only for temporary experiments and or ideas. Some information may be speculative, but under reasonable tensions. All information on here will be removed at one time or another, but not all sections here are permanent (only a few I intend to keep longer than others).


 * User:Mister Sheen/Temp

Featured timelines

 * Great White South:
 * September 2010


 * New Union:
 * July 2011
 * March 2012

Saved images
Here are images I found here, and may find use for (rather than uploading new ones).

Saved links

 * Alternate History


 * Antioquia (Triunfa, España!)
 * Antioquia Federal (1983: Doomsday)
 * Louisiana (1797)
 * Timeline (Weird America)


 * Wikipedia


 * (New Union)
 * (New Union)
 * (Two Americas)


 * Others


 * Parlamento blank 1114 v4.0.svg (Wikimedia Commons)

13 Fallen Stars

 * Main articles: 13 Fallen Stars, , , 

Timeline

 * 1787 – The Constitutional Convention collapses.


 * 1788 – The United States of America ceases to exist. Shortly afterwards, New Jersey and New York agree on the continuation of the confederation between the two states. Discussions also talk of a federation between New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania.


 * 1789 – New York confirms the presence of New England surveyors well west of Lake Champlain. Soldiers kill the men, sparking the Vermont War.


 * 1791 – The Vermont War ends with the "Treaty of Providence," in which New York agrees to relinquishing its claim to Vermont. NY also agrees to relenquish its claims west of the St. Lawrence River and the Great Lakes, in exchange that all the states of New England relinquish all claims which lie within New York's borders.




 * 1792 – New York and New Jersey meet in Trenton to officially establish the . The name New Netherland was unanimously chosen for the new nation, as it both moved the nation further away from British colonialism and was an already established unity name for the two states. As part of the Trenton Agreement, the two states were divided up into five new entities. New Jersey was divided between East and West, New York agreed to sell Richmond County to East Jersey and allowing the three counties of Long Island to be admitted as their own state. New York would also agree to transfer all of its claims in the north to the federal government (to be divided into future states) if the capital would be in Albany. Albany was also selected as a means to encourage northern population growth. New York Governor  would be elected as the first President of New Netherland. That same year, New Netherland agrees to sell parts of its northern territory to neighboring Pennsylvania to allow them a coastline to Lake Erie (the ).


 * 1798 – The Capital District of Albany is finalized as a federal district of New Netherland.


 * 1805 – The Albany District is divided into the new territories of Schenectady in the east, and Iroquois in the west. The area around Albany becomes the Capital District.


 * 1820 – Construction begins on the.


 * 1828 – The Erie Canal is completed, connecting the Great Lakes to the Atlantic River (via the Hudson River).


 * 1829 – The area west of the Genesee River is admitted as the State of Niagara.


 * 1831 – The southern half of the Schenectady Territory is admitted as the State of Schenectady. The northern half becomes the Adirondack Territory.


 * 1842 – With the independence of Canada, the exiled Iroquois people return to their homelands in the Iroquois Territory, which now demands statehood. Statehood is finally allowed after the territory agrees shrink its size. All area north of the Black River are transferred to the Adirondack Territory, and the southern half of the territory becomes the Genesee Territory.


 * 1850 – The Adirondack Territory is admitted as the State of Adirondack.


 * 1855 – The Genesee Territory is admitted as the State of Genesee.


 * 1867 – The purchase of the Dutch West Indies is finalized, and becomes the Curazao Territory.


 * 1868 – The purchase of the Scandinavian West Indies is finalized, being merged into the Curazao Territory.


 * 1882 – As part of negotiations, France offers to sell their claim to the northern half of St. Martin (plus neighboring St. Barts) to New Netherland. The Curazao Territory is expanded further.


 * 1888 – An armed rebellion takes place in the British Virgin Islands, spreading to neighboring Anguilla. The two islands declare independence as the Federation of Anguilla and the Virgin Islands, and demand New Netherland administration. To prevent war between New Netherland and Great Britain, President Grover Cleveland demands a peaceful resolution to the issue (despite many in the Federal Assembly supporting the annexation of the islands).


 * 1898 – War breaks out between New Netherland and New Granada over the easternmost islands in the Leeward Antilles (which is claimed by both parties). The war ends months later with a New Netherlander victory.


 * 1953 – The Curazao Territory is divided between the (southern islands) and the  (northern islands). The two regions are admitted as the states of Curazao (south) and Statia (north).

The Empire State
President William H. Seward is able to persuade the Federal Assembly to vote in favor for the purchases of the Danish West Indies, the Dutch West Indies, Saint Barts, and the French portion of Saint Martin. Unlike "" in OTL, the purchase of the was seen as a major part of New Netherland's imperial power.

In the late 1870s, tensions between British colonists in the British Virgin Islands and Anguilla spark revolt and demands to be annexed by NN (which NN supports). Tensions between the growing power of New Netherland would lead to war in 1898 with Venezuela over the islands off the Venezuelan coast. The war would end with a victory for New Netherland, leading to the popularity of. Roosevelt's administration would be further open to the expansion of the "New Dutch Empire," leading to tensions with Great Britain.

Presidents of New Netherland

 * ''Main article:
 * See also:, , 

The following list shows the year of each presidential election. The first one was held shortly after the ratification of the constitution in 1792. The inauguration of each president varies, but now happens on the 1st of January the year following the elections (held in October-November).


 * Grover Cleveland bio


 * People to note


 * : Vice President (1801-03). Most known for killing in a duel. If Hamilton remains loyal to Washington, he could become a greater part in Virginia (rather than NY), so no duel.


 * : NY Governor (1959-1973); Vice President (1974-77). While born in Maine (OTL), his would remain in NN territory (maybe he would have been born in the Curazao Territory because of the oil).


 * OTL Presidents


 * (1812)
 * (1816)
 *  (1836, 1848)
 * (1852)
 * (1864)
 * (1868)
 * (1872)
 * (1876)
 *  (1884, 1888, 1892''')
 *  (1904, 1912)
 * (1904)
 *  (1912, 1916)
 * (1916)
 * (1928)
 *  (1932, 1936, 1940, 1944)
 * (1944, 1948)


 * OTL Vice Presidents


 * (1796, 1800)
 * (1804, 1808)
 * (1804, 1808)
 * (1816, 1820)
 * (1824)
 *  (1832)
 * (1844)
 *  (1848)
 * (1856)
 * (1868)
 * (1876)
 * (1896)
 *  (1900)
 * (1908, 1912†)
 * (1912)
 *  (1920)
 * (1964)
 * (1984)


 * Political movements

New Netherland has gone threw three major political movements that helped to define the nation today. All three were represented by their own political party, and two of them reign as the dominant two parties.


 * Republican movement (Clintonian) – Much like, but more staunch on Federalists (which made up the dominant force in neighboring New England). The movement was less concerned with states rights, and extremely anti-British and anti-New England. Represented by the Republican Party (i.e., ), the movement dominated the country until the 1830s. While opposition parties were allowed, New Netherland ran as a single-party state between 1795 until 1834. Party members supportive of Martin Van Buren would leave the party in the 1830s (but would not collapse then). The party would collapse in the 1850s, leading to half a century of Democratic superiority against unsuccessful opponents.


 * Democratic movement (Van Burenian) – Much like . The DP was more favored of the common man, states rights, and expanding the idea of New Netherland supremacy and expansion. The opposing Republican Party would remain a competitor until the 1850s, in which opposition parties remained limited and unorganized. The most successful of these parties was the Congressional Party, which lasted until the 1870s. It wouldn't be until the new century that New Netherland became a true two-party state.


 * Progressive movement (Rooseveltian) – . Lead by Theodore Roosevelt, the Progressive Party would unite the divided opposition from both the Democratic Party and the unorganized "Congressuionalists".

New list

 * R = Republican (Democratic-Republican)
 * D = Democrat
 * W = Congressional/National Republican (Whig)
 * P = Progressive

''The following list shows the year of each presidential election. The first one was held shortly after the ratification of the constitution in 1792. The inauguration of each president varies, but now happens on the 1st of January the year following the elections (held in October-November).''


 * 1792 &mdash; –  (R)
 * 1795
 * 1798
 * 1801 &mdash; –  (R)
 * 1804
 * 1807 &mdash; –  (R)
 * 1810
 * 1813
 * 1816 &mdash; –  (R)
 * 1819
 * 1822
 * 1825 &mdash; –  (R)
 * 1828
 * 1831 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 1834
 * 1837
 * 1840 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 1843
 * 1846 &mdash; –  (W)
 * 1849
 * 1852
 * 1855 &mdash; –  (W)
 * 1858
 * 1861 &mdash; –  (W)
 * 1864
 * 1867
 * 1870 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 1873
 * 1876 &mdash; –  (W)
 * 1879
 * 1882
 * 1885 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 1888
 * 1891
 * 1894 &mdash; – †/ (D)
 * 1897
 * 1900
 * 1903 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 1906
 * 1909 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 1912
 * 1915
 * 1918 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 1921
 * 1924
 * 1927 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 1930
 * 1933 &mdash; – †/ (P)
 * 1936
 * 1939
 * 1942
 * 1945
 * 1948 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 1951
 * 1954 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 1957
 * 1960
 * 1963 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 1966
 * 1969
 * 1972 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 1975
 * 1978
 * 1981 &mdash; –   (D)
 * 1984
 * 1987
 * 1990 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 1993
 * 1996
 * 1999 &mdash; –  (D)
 * 2002
 * 2005
 * 2008 &mdash; –  (P)
 * 2011

Columbia: the unification of Maryland and Pennsylvania
and (not to mention Delaware) would find themselves in a tight situation, lying between the growing powers of  to the north and  to the south. Prior to 1800, there were talks between Pennsylvania and New York on a potential union (which died after the Vermont War), and Maryland was already being culturally divided based on the slavery issue and more ties with Virginia (not to mention Delaware being re-annexed into Pennsylvania shortly after the collapse of the confederation).

The best way to describe the two regions is that they are the Paraguays of North America. Despite having the infamous dividing them, there would exist a genuine interest to unite. Pennsylvania would gain [more] access to the Atlantic Ocean, while Maryland would gain access to Pennsylvania's natural resources. With the potential inclusion of the, this new nation would be even bigger. While it would be nowhere near its neighbors, it would be better than two separate nations.

For this new nation, I have chosen the name "Columbia." Initially a temporary name, I have grown on this name being a really good one because:


 * 1) There is no ' or ', leaving the name unique.
 * 2)  is a personification of the Americas. While any of the colonies could identify themselves with Columbia, Pennsylvania and Maryland strike out as the best candidates. Pennsylvania is an open colony of many ideas, and Maryland is literally called "America in Miniature."
 * 3) The  would be within the country.

Connecticut joins twice?
With no confederation able to prevent conflict within the newly independent colonies, the Connecticut settlers in the Wyoming Valley reemerge as a problem for Pennsylvania. While it was unsure as to what would come of the situation, it became clear to the New England government that it would be a tragedy to loose Pennsylvania as an enemy. Since gaining independence, the New England states have gone into three wars. First the Revolutionary War, then the with New York, and finally the  with Virginia. While winning all three (and even gaining British support for the later two), New England would be in a real pickle if war were to break out with Pennsylvania. In both the Vermont War and the Northwest War, Pennsylvania remained neutral. But, it was unclear if they would remain neutral any longer. There was growing support within New Netherland and Virginia towards a Pennsylvania ally, and Pennsylvania was goring anti-New England as the conflict with Connecticut settlers grows bigger.

It was feared that a future war with a tripartite pact between New Netherland, Pennsylvania, and Virginia; could be an end to New England control over the Northwest Territory (not to mention potential loss of New Englander territory itself). To prevent war, New England offers negotiations on the issue. What comes out is seen as a major step in the formation of Columbia, and alleviating the tensions in the region. Westmoreland (the state established by the Connecticut settlers) would gain provisional status, and the people would retain the rights to their land; but only on the grounds that they swear their allegiance to Pennsylvania. In the same agreement, the Western Reserve (held by Connecticut) was offered for Pennsylvania to purchase. After loosing their access to Lake Erie (with the Erie Triangle remaining in New York), Pennsylvania jumped at the offer. The reserve would become the Erie Territory.

Despite the New England-Pennsylvania relations becoming better, it would not save the Northwest Territory. While the region was under joint administration with Great Britain, New England's access was limited. Tensions with New Netherland and Virginia prevented land access. With the completion of the Erie Canal by New Netherland, New England would be greatly limited to use it due to bad relations. By the 1820s, it would become too costly to keep the region. As a means to gain definitive access to land that they could settle, New England agrees to sell their claim to Great Britain, in exchange for GB recognizing NE's border to with Nova Scotia and Quebec (i.e., the Aroostook border). Ironically, Great Britain would also loose the region after the Canadian revolution.

Unification
By the late 1820s, tensions between Maryland and Virginia would hit a high. To prevent war, Maryland would grow closer to Pennsylvania. In 1829, a proposal for unification would become a reality, as both states unite. Delaware would be granted state status shortly after the formation. Issues between Westmoreland and the western regions of Pennsylvania would eventually lead to the state being divided into three: Allegheny, Pennsylvania, and Wyoming. Erie would be admitted years later, and Chesapeake would split off from Maryland shortly after that.

Maryland would retain slavery, only to peacefully abolish it decades later.

States

 * (formerly Westmoreland)
 * (formerly Westmoreland)
 * (formerly Westmoreland)
 * (formerly Westmoreland)
 * (formerly Westmoreland)
 * (formerly Westmoreland)
 * (formerly Westmoreland)

Provinces/States of Virginia


The is a unitary state, which will consist of several provinces. However, it could also be possible that Virginia could evolve into a federation, allowing the creation of equally-sized states. Either way, Virginia will be divided into subdivisions with no real relation with the counties of OTL states of Kentucky, Virginia, and West Virginia.

These potential provinces/states could be:



Germany and Eastern Europe
With no Napoleonic Wars in the 13 Fallen Stars timeline, there would be no collapse of the Holy Roman Empire. However, considering the fact that the HRE was more of a loose entity of Germanic member states, and the big fact that (at least) two of its members (Austria and Prussia) claimed regions which were outside the HRE border, it just seems to me that the HRE was bound to end sometime soon. Granted, I am not an expert on the HRE, so I could be completely wrong. However, here is my idea for a potentially interesting Central and Eastern Europe.


 * Greater Germany under Austria's monarchy.



Based greatly on the (limited information) from the A Place in the Sun timeline, Austria and Prussia would move away from the HRE, or the HRE would fall (peacefully). During the run for dominance over the German people, Austria would win a war between Prussia. Despite the eventual independence of Croatia (including Dalmatia), Hungary (including Galicia), and Veneto; Austria would remain a powerful nation. The unification of the German nations would take place, even including Prussia and the northern German nations. The "German Empire" would be much like OTL, but with Austrian dominance, Vienna as the capital, and much bigger.


 * Tensions break into war.

Tensions would still break out in TTL. Germany and France go to war, with a German victory and annexation of French territory. While Germany would have tensions with its neighbors, there would be no military alliances that (in OTL) lead to World War I. Instead, war breaks out between Hungary and Russia. The Third Balkan War would be a major victory to Russian moral. The Serbs and Coats would agree to unite under a single Yugoslav monarchy. Russia would be able to expand into Galicia (ironically with German support that the land is out of Hungarian hands). Hungary would still hold onto Transylvania, but Romania would still gain Bukovina. With a victory, the Russian people would feel confident with the monarchy, and the Russian Revolution is avoided (for now), and Russia's sphere into the Balkans is further secured. Radical ideas such as fascism and communism remain in the minority and would not grow into power.

European countries

 * German Empire (Austria, Czechia, Germany, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Slovenia; parts of Belgium, Croatia, Denmark, France, Italy, Lithuania, Poland, Russia)

Saving the New Netherland Antilles
It is no secret that my inspiration for is the Republic of New Netherland. It was one of the first alternate timelines I have ever seen, and it is probably what got me into the genre. So you can imagine my excitement when I came across the fact that proposed to purchase the  in the 1860s, it seemed like too good an opportunity for it to happen in the 13 Fallen Stars timeline. Not only did it allow me to make NN more like my inspiration, it allows the to expand into an empire, the region would prove to be a key economic, resource rich, and military purchase. It was also nice to come across the interesting fact that were even considered part of the Dutch claim, which (if NN is anything like the USA towards Louisiana) could escalate into war, which would lead to the rise of.

Despite the seemingly great connections, this "perfect" scenario would not last. After doing some recent research, I have come to the conclusion that... people are idiots. By googling "Dutch West Indies" and "Seward", several hits reference books that seem to back this. However, quoting from one source:

"In 1867, Seward tried to buy the Dutch West Indies, but the deal fell through. (The US did acquire some of the islands — today's Virgin Islands — in 1917.)"

- 20px

This comes to the sad conclusion that all these quotes and references are actually about the (i.e., ). I guess I can see how easy it could be to mix "Danish" and "Dutch" (since both start with a "D"), but that is still a huge difference. Try misrepresenting "" and "", and see if you get published. In one fell swoop, all my hard work has been flushed down the toilet. Or is it?

After doing some thinking, I have come to the conclusion that all this work is too good to push aside, and considering the circumstances, it could still work out in the end. To quote a wise man, I'm "just not thinking forth dimensionally." This timeline is already quite different from anything I have ever thought of, and to leave out that these variable wouldn't lead to the "New Netherland Antilles" is no better than quitting. What are these variables? Let's take a look see.

First off, lets look at. Born in (irony), the 12th, and the  under  and. He is best known for his role in (hence the term "Seward's Folly"). But unknown to most, he also promoted for the purchase of, , , and (as mentioned before) the ; but it was only Alaska which was successful (at the time). Reading about his in this area is quite fascinating, leading me to the conclusion that he was more interested in the that he didn't think before he acted. Not mentioned above, Seward also proposed the annexation and admission of Santo Domingo (modern day ) as a state; with the main intention to have a black-dominated state to raise moral for the freed slaves, and as revenge against the seceding southern states (not to mention it's mineral-rich resources). And of course, we can't forget Alaska. Not that it didn't pay off in the end, the American people were annoyed at the idea of purchasing an unpopulated land that was covered in ice. So in conclusion, unless Seward was a magical wizard who could predict the future, he is a prime example of a person who leaps before he looks. It is because of this trait that the purchase of the Dutch West Indies could be possible. For New Netherland, there is no chance of it becoming a dominate force in the Pacific. With Alaska and Hawaii out of the picture, there is nowhere to look but in the Atlantic, and the Caribbean at the time was prime real-estate.

The second argument: the Dutch have more land than OTL. In this timeline, the French Revolution fizzles, meaning no French Republic, no Napoleon, and no Napoleonic Wars. This would greatly affect Europe and the World, with no better improvement than in the Netherlands. With no occupation by the French, the continued Dutch Republic would have a bigger empire than OTL. Not including the (modern day Indonesia) and ; the Dutch would (or could) have, parts of , parts of , and the big prize:  (not to mention the potential bonus of having Belgium and it's colonial claims). With all these inclusions, the tiny islands in the Caribbean seem more and more like loose change. Forgive my metaphor, but I only use it to show the greater likelihood of the Netherlands selling them to New Netherland.

The third and most compelling reason I have can be describe easily by the Russians: the "Alaska defense". This is where a country has land which doesn't fulfill their needs ("dead weight"), added with the fear that the region would be an easy target for their neighbors. Rather than fight a war, with the added possibility that the region could not be secured, leading to loss and humiliation; the country decides to sell it. Give it up, and get what you can from it. And by far, looking at the Dutch West Indies... I am very surprised that they didn't follow the path of OTL South Africa. By the 1860s, the major enemies of the Dutch are France, Great Britain, and Spain. France shares part of with the Netherlands, the  are right off the coast of Spanish Venezuela, and lets not forget the British, who actually occupied the islands from the Dutch at least two times in OTL. With these threats, along with good relations with New Netherland, I could also see the Dutch agreeing to sell the islands to give a huge F*** YOU to it's rivals. France would be a major ally of New Netherland (so no point in getting on their bad side), the British wouldn't want to provoke a war with them (as it also may involve the French), and Spain is a major ally of France. In short... F*** YOU!

In conclusion, I am confident and happy to announce that this timeline having a "New Netherland Antilles" is not only possible, but well on its way. It is also nice to conclude that after doing research on saving this, I now believe including only the Dutch West Indies is too little, and we could see a bigger NNA (maybe bigger than that). It ain't called the Empire State for nothin'.

Alaska: Stuff to remember
Here are a bunch of dates, events, and other notable stuff that I NEED to remember. Most of them should happen here (granted a varied version).


 * Events
 * 1821 – (September 4)
 * 1849 –
 * 1865 –
 * 1898 –
 * 1925 –
 * 1933-37 – (link between Alaska [Sonoma] and Mexico).
 * 1964 –
 * 1967 – (the myth becomes an Alaskan symbol and personification)
 * 1971 – (maybe)
 * 1974 –
 * 1980 –
 * 1989 –
 * 1992 – (possibly)
 * 2010 – (I choose Vladikaskady)


 * People


 * (may have been a major supporter of Russian cooperation)
 * (was originally a Royalist, maybe he would have remained one).


 * Other


 * (Russian plaque on top)
 * (Вино в Сономы!!)


 * POD


 * 1) Ivan Kuskov gives more detail about northern California (rather than a blunt description as in OTL). He would write his wife, giving even greater detail. Kuskov would also encourage his comrades (already at the colony) to write their families. In combination of word being spread by Baranov, the Kuskovs, and the early colonists, the description would eventually become circulated as the "Kuskov Papers," which is read across the Empire. The wording will encourage more and more Russians to colonize the region.
 * 2) When Baranov is accused of "siphoned money" to American banks, he would still be removed from power. But with the success of the Ross Colony, and the confirmation that the rumor is completely false, Baranov is [in some words] given an apology and returns to his post as Governor (rather than being sent back to Russia, where he dies on route).
 * 3) Russia would still proclaim the, but it would be worded much differently. Foreign vessels would not be banned from Russian territory. Russia would still claim all of the coat of North America north of the  (which would give Russia all the land north of Vancouver Island), and would also claim the  watershed (and coastal regions... more details to come) as Russian. With non-Russian ships allowed, the Americans and British would not show as much defiance as OTL (but would still dispute it). It would be Spain who is the most pissed, and would eventually agree to invade the colony.

Cities of Alaska



 * Idaho


 * Vodopadsk : Водопадск (lit. "Settlement of the Falls"). Named after the and.


 * Kenai


 * Saint (St.) Nicholas : Святой (Св.) Николай (Svyatoi [Sv.] Nikolai).
 * Voskresensk : Воскресенск (lit. "Resurrection Bay settlement"). Named on the day of its discovery.


 * Kodiak


 * Pavlovskaia : Повловская (Pavlovskaya). Named after.
 * Three Saints : Трёхсвятительск (Tryokhsvyatitel'sk; lit. "settlement of the Three Saints") in Russian. Named after the Three Saints (one of the ships of ).


 * New Caledonia


 * New Helsinki : Новохельсинки (Novokhel'sinki). Named after the [then] Russian port of (the hometown of [then] RAC leader ). Rumors have it that the name was chosen because of how similar the name Helsinki seemed to the native.


 * New Irkutsk


 * Furugelmsk : named after.


 * Oregon


 * New Rylsk : Новорыльск (Novoryl'sk). Named after the Russian town of (the hometown of ).


 * Sonoma


 * Kuskofsk : Кусковск (Kuskovsk). Named after Ivan Kuskov:0:0.
 * Ross : Росс. Named after the poetic name for.
 * Sevastopol : Севастополь (Sevastopol ' ). Named after the Crimean city of.
 * Shasta : Шаста. Named after (which may or may not be of semi-Russian origin).


 * Yukon


 * Beloloshadsk : Белолошадьск (Beloloshad'sk; lit. "White Horse settlement"). Named after the.
 * Klondike : named after the region and river (where the Yukon Gold Rush began).

Governorates

 * Vancouver would include the area claimed by the and  (see )


 * Charlotte will be the new name of the governorate, shortened from the colonial "Queen Charlotte."


 *  will become the new capital of Charlotte.


 * Oregon contains a panhandle due to its history. Originally, the entire region was used as a penal colony, which ended after the discovery of gold. With the increase of Americans in search of gold and religious freedom (i.e., Mormons), the English-speaking population in eastern Oregon increases. When the Empire collapsed in 1917, and the independence of the former British colonies into New Albion, Oregon was almost on the verge of collapse. Sonoma offered to remain in the nation, provided that Oregon establish itself as a federation. It was initially proposed that Oregon be a federation of four governorates: Sonoma, a smaller Idaho, and a divided Oregon (between East and West). But due to the growth of centralism in Vladikaskady, the federation idea was outright dropped (leading to the independence of Sonoma). To prevent more area loss, Oregon allowed the English-speaking region of Idaho autonomy, and the United Republic of Oregon was established. Oregon would then unite with New Russia to establish modern day Alaska. After the defeat of Communism in the north, it was proposed to establish more governorates. The larger governorates of New Albion, New Russia, and Oregon agreed to relinquish territory. While NR and NA were federations, Oregon was a unitary state, and was initially unwilling to relinquish any more area than Idaho. A lost governorate (called East Oregon) demanded its own governorate, but died much like OTL Westsylvania and Franklin. To end the dispute, Oregon was allowed to retain the area south of the Snake River, which allowed Idaho to expand to the remaining area north of the river. Despite their loss, the Mormon populated regions of eastern Oregon and southern Idaho have not given up their identity.

Era of Alaskan states

 * The beginning (up to the 1830s)
 * Flag of the Russian-American Company.svg Alaska:Russian America:0 (Русская Америка)


 * Post-War (1830s-1850s)
 * Flag of the Russian-American Company.svg American Krai (Американский край)
 * Alaska Oblast (Аляскинская область)
 * New Russia Oblast (Новороссийская область)
 * Oregon Oblast (Орегонская область)


 * Expansionism (1850s-1900s)
 * Flag of the Russian-American Company.svg American Krai (Американский край)
 * Alaska Oblast (Аляскинская область)
 * Columbia Oblast (Заколумбийская область)
 * Kodiak-Kenai Oblast (Кодьякско-Кенайская область)
 * New Russia Oblast (Новороссийская область)
 * Oregon Oblast (Орегонская область)
 * Sonoma Oblast (Сономинская област)
 * Yukon Oblast (Юконская область)


 * Nasha Amerika (1900s-1917)
 * Flag of the Russian-American Company.svg Commonwealth of Alaska (Аляскинское Содружество)
 * Flag of Russian Oregon.svg Commonwealth of Oregon (Орегонское Содружество)


 * Revolution period (1917-1923)


 * Flag of Russian Oregon.svg Republic of Oregon (Орегонская Республика)
 * Alaskan State (Аляскинское Государство)
 * Flag of the Alaskan People's Republic (Russian America).svg Nushagak Soviet (Нушагакский совет)
 * Flag of Kenai (Russian America).svg Kodiak-Kenai Republic (Кодьякско-Кенайская Республика)
 * Flag of Sitka (Russian America).svg Republic of New Russia (Новороссийская Республика)


 * Independent States:Independent States of America:0 (1920s)
 * Flag of the Alaskan People's Republic (Russian America).svg Alaskan Socialist Republic:0:0 (Аляскинская Социалистическая Республика) (1923-1939)
 * Flag of New Albion (Russian America).svg Republic of New Albion:0:0 (Республика Новый Альбион) (1920-1935)
 * Flag of New Russia (Russian America).svg Democratic Republic of New Russia:0:0 (Новороссийская Демократическая Республика) (1923-1929)
 * Flag of the United republic of Oregon (Russian America).svg United Republic of Oregon:0:0 (Соединённая Республика Орегона) (1921-1929)
 * California Lone Star Flag 1836.svg Republic of Sonoma:0:0 (Республика Сонома) (1920-1937)


 * Today
 * Flag of Alaska (Russian America).svg Alaska:Alaskan Democratic Federative Republic:0 (Аляскинская Демократическая Федеративная Республика)

Presidents of Alaska

 * Main articles: Presidents of Alaska:0:0

People to note

 * (Montenegrin decent)
 * (Polish decent)
 * (maybe)


 * (Founder of St. Petersburg, Florida; more or less interesting to me)
 * (actress born in SF, Russian parents)
 * (HOORAY!!!!)
 * (HOORAY!!!!)

Benny Benson?
In OTL, Benny Benson, Alaskan native most noted for designing the flag of Alaska, has virtually lived a rough and seemingly depressing life. But what about this timeline? Could he have turned out any different in comparison to the differences? Here is a potential timeline for Benson:

John Ben Benson, Jr., was born on October 12, 1913, in the tiny village of (then part of the Commonwealth of Alaska). His father was of Swedish decent, while his mother was of Aleut-Russian decent. Benny was the second born of three children. Because the region was under greater population and government by New Archangel and Russia, there would be no pandemic in the region, in which Benson's mother will not die. Because of which, his father would not put his children up for adoption, and the family would continue to move around the Catherine Archipelago and Russian America. But by the age of 3, the lives of the region would be changed forever, as the Russian Empire breaks out into revolution and civil war (with Russian America not too far behind). When a communist government is established and enforced on the Catherine Archipelago, the Benson family evacuates to the democratic regions of the eventual "Democratic Republic of New Russia." Despite the move, the rights of the natives were drastically reduced, which caused many (including Benny's own mother) to become part of an Aleut rights movement in the region. At the age of 13, Benny designed a flag for his mother's group, a flag with the big dipper. The flag would eventually be adopted as the "Aleut flag." But by the end of the 1920s, the drastic reduction of Aleut and minority rights were becoming major movements, and eventually stop after the creation of the Alaska:Alaskan Democratic Federative Republic:0.

With the collapse of Communist Alaska, the Bensons return to the Catherine Archipelago. However, peace remained limited, as Japan would invade and occupy a large part of the islands. Though the Bensons were not in the occupied area, the 29 year old Benny enrolled in the Alaskan military to fight off the Japanese invasion. He would become part of the "Island Hoppers" that liberate the Catherine Archipelago, and would even serve time on the Commander Islands and Kamchatka. During the 50s, Benson became a major supporter of the "Native Movement" that broke out across Alaska. He and other would help to form an Aleut organization that sponsored the creation of an "Aleut Governorate." Benson would also be a major advocate on finalizing the annexation of the primarily Aleut populated Commander Islands from the USSR (which also claimed the islands). The Aleut Territory would be created in 1949, with the territory being upgraded to full Governorate in 1956. Benson would be elected in a landslide victory as the first Governor of Aleutia. He would remain Governor up until the mid 1960s. He runs for President and wins the election in 1967.

Newer box
{{legend|#228B22|Evergreen Party:0:0}} {{legend|#FF4F00|Workers' Party:0:0}}
 * Key

New ideas

 * Grigory Yakovovich Bogomolov (Григорий Яковович Богомолов): Former communist of the Alaskan Socialist Republic, first democratically elected mayor of Nushagek (1940s), governor of Shelikof (1950s), and president of Alaska (1960s). Member of the short-lived Democratic Communist Party of Alaska, and noted for being one of the founders of the modern day Workers' Party.


 * NOTE: Move Mike Stepovich to the late 1960s
 * NOTE: Veniamen Orlov: active general in World War II, president late 50s. No longer a founding father.

Новые уезды Сономы


All of the uyezds are named after their political center (or largest city).


 * (Ачомавиский уезд)
 * (Колусинский уезд)
 * (Дос-Риоский уезд)
 * (Гумбольдтский уезд)
 * (Кусковский уезд)
 * (Напинский уезд)
 * (Полумесячный уезд)
 * Ross:Ross Uyezd:0 (Росский уезд)
 * (Сакраментанский уезд)
 * (Сан-Рафаэльский уезд)
 * (Севастопольский уезд)
 * (Шастинский уезд)
 * (Славянский уезд)
 * (Троицкий уезд)
 * (Юкайинский уезд)
 * (Вальеханский уезд)
 * (Вайрекинский уезд)

Hooray for storytelling
Greetings to you all. Who am I, you may ask? I am just an observer of time and space. Your people have called me by many names. Zeus, God, the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Whatever you want to call me, my purpose here today is to tell you the amazing story that would eventually change your people into an interplanetary species.

Our story begins billions of years ago, but I remember it as if it were yesterday.

New timeline

 * 1962 -  Venus flyby.


 * 1966 - Venera 3 Venus crash-landing (remnants now believed to be somewhere in western Aphrodite).


 * 1967 - Venera 4 Venus landing (now believed to have crashed landed in the Guinevere Sea).


 * 1969 -  manned Moon landing.


 * 1975 - Apollo 18 manned Venus flyby.


 * 1984 - "Vega" manned Venus landing.


 * 1989 - "Mayflower" manned Venus landing.

?????????

 * Neith (neeth)

Population of New Kamchatka

 * Recent census


 * Gagaringrad (~392,758)
 * Vladivenera (~275,921)
 * New Havana (~146,807)
 * Uragansk (~87,614)
 * Korolyovsk (~52,873)
 * Total (975,826)

New nations for Venus
All states marked in bold lettering are independent nations. Nations in parentheses describe the primary government of the state. States in quotation marks describe doubt and/or uncertainty towards the name or the state itself.


 * American Venus


 * VHBuffaloflag.png (Canada)
 * Flag of the Federated States (Venusian Haven).svg 
 * Flag.svg Fortune Bay
 * Flag of New Florida (Venusian Haven).svg 
 * Flag.svg "Scientology State" [soon to be obsolete]
 * Flag.svg "Tethus"


 * Arab (Iraqi-Arabian) Venus


 * Flag of Helal (Venusian Haven).svg (Al-Helal)


 * British Venus


 * Flag.svg "Betashire"
 * Flag.svg "Metisire"
 * Flag of Scotland.svg ""


 * Chinese Venus


 * Flag of Leda (Venusian Haven).svg
 * Flag.svg "New Pyongyang" (North Korea) [maybe]
 * Flag.svg "New Tibet"


 * French (Franco-European) Venus


 * Flag of New Quebec (Venusian Haven).svg 
 * Flag.svg "Themis"


 * Japanese Venus


 * Japanese Venus flag by Hellerick 3.svg


 * Soviet Venus


 * Flag.svg Devana
 * Flag.svg "Imdr"
 * Flag.svg New Caucasia
 * Flag.svg New Crimea
 * Flag.svg "New India" (India)
 * Flag of New Kamchatka (Venusian Haven).svg 
 * Flag.svg New Prussia (Germany[s])
 * Flag of New Saigon (Venusian Haven).svg (Vietnam)
 * Flag.svg New Turkmenistan
 * Flag.svg "New Warsaw" (Czechoslovakia and Poland)
 * Flag.svg Rusalka
 * Flag.svg Sapas

NU to-do

 * : Despite not being there to help save communism, the USSR would become a major asset to Ethiopia on its transition to democracy. The would gradually be remolded from a political party into the government itself. Thanks to Soviet support, Ethiopia would model itself heavily on Gorbachev's union of sovereign states. By 1992, the transition from "jumbled" provinces into ethnic republics was well underway. The northern people of Ethiopia were well defined and were the fastest to develop, while the southern people would begin to turn in a new direction. Fighting under the same banner during the fighting, the ideals of ethnic diversity showed to much promise for the ethnically diverse regions of southern Ethiopia. While there were calls to create a, the peoples of the region peacefully agreed to go their separate ways. In 1995, Ethiopia adopts a new constitution, which borrowed heavily from the Soviet constitution of 1992.


 * : Libya would be hit the hardest during the Arab Spring. Rather than veto or abstain from the fighting, the Soviet Union supported a no-fly zone over Libya, and offered their own military aid to enforce the UN agreement. Operation Oasis would work towards simply enforcing the no-fly zone, along with ensuring that Libyan forces no longer attack their own citizens. Many in the west would criticize the Soviets for being "too soft" on Gaddafi. By the summer of 2011, anti-Gaddafi forces would be unable to expand westward, truing the war into a stalemate near the ends of the historic . With the war going nowhere fast, the UN would be successful in establishing a ceasefire in the conflict. In the end, Gaddafi's regime still controlled the capital of Tripoli and the western two-thirds of the country. The anti-Gaddafi would have full control over eastern Libya. Today, the situation has taken a different turn, as the NTC moved from deposing Gaddafi, to establishing a well-defined claim for the people that they do govern. The "Libyan Republic" would be transformed into the, which operates in the Libyan governorates that make up the historical province of Cyrenaica. While much of the world recognizes Cyrenaica as an independent nation, it has not be globally recognized.


 * Balkans: The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia would still collapse. Only Serbia and Montenegro would agree to remain in a . The ethnically divided republic of would vote in favor to establish a Swiss-like federation. Despite all ethnic leaders agreeing to the move, fighting would till happen between the government and militant groups. UN forces would be called to the nation, which would be able to hold off any major violence. Fighting between Yugoslavia and Croatia would continue, virtually ending with the highly controversial, in which Croatian forces forcibly remove ethnic Serbs from the border regions of the nation. It wouldn't be until the new millennium that the region enters into peace. Yugoslavia would move further towards democracy, and begin reforms to its federal government. Due in great part to tensions within the Albanian community and Yugo-nostalgia in the Slavic communities, Macedonians would vote in favor to rejoin Yugoslavia after a decade of independence. BiH would finalize their government by the mid 1990s, and would emerge to become a neutral buffer state between the Croats and Serbs (in short, a true Switzerland).




 * Others


 * День ликвидаторов

New Aral Sea

 * 1994 – Karakalpakstan is admitted as a republic of the Soviet Union.


 * 1995-96 – Karakalpakstan Supreme Soviet passes the Aral Sea Act, which limits the amount of water which can be taken from the Aral Sea (only to the outlets in the Karakalpak republic) and highly taxes the limited water coming out. The act also encourages funding for new agricultural techniques.


 * 2000 – The amount of water leaving the Sea is almost at a standstill, as the sea gradually begins to refill.


 * 2010 – The Sea has risen back to the dept of the 1990s.

List
{{legend|#3333ff|Democratic Party}} {{legend|#ff3333|Republican Party}}

Rudy for President

 * Main article:, 


 * With the Soviet Union not collapsing, there would be no wave of Russians coming to New York City. The infamous Russian Mafia would remain primarily "old school," allowing for an easier take down of the organization.


 * Due greatly from a lower crime rate, the seemingly minor Giuliani-Pataki split would become greater during the late late '90s.


 * Due to his strong support and positive image after the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001, Giuliani announces his candidacy for Governor of New York. Giuliani would win the Republican nomination over incumbent (1995-2003), and then the Governorship.


 * New York Senator would not seek the presidency in 2008, due primarily to the fact that her Husband (Bill Clinton) and his Vice President (Al Gore) were the two former Presidents.


 * With the not happening (or not being as severe), the progressive views of Illinois Senator  would stand no chance, causing his campaign (if it even happened) to fail.


 * North Carolina Senator would rise to be the Democratic nominee, and would gain strong support from Southern Democrats.


 * Due to his party's loss in 2004, Arizona Senator would decide not to run in 2008.


 * Giuliani would announce his candidacy in 2007, quickly becoming the frontrunner for the Republican nomination.


 * Arkansas Governor and Massachusetts Governor  would also rise to become the major competitors against Giuliani.


 * Giuliani's campaign would take a more common term, campaigning in the early states first (Iowa and New Hampshire), but Giuliani would also campaign heavily in Florida.


 * Huckabee would win Iowa and Romney wins Wyoming, with Giuliani getting third place in both. New Hampshire would go to Giuliani, bringing back a positive look to the New York Governor.


 * Giuliani would not gain any wins until Louisiana, Hawaii, and finally a huge moral boost in Florida.


 * Links


 * Sticking To Expectations - Giuliani '08
 * A Very Different World: A 2008 WI

SNNPR in NU


According to Wikipedia, the (SNNPR) "was formed from the merger of the former Regions 7-11" (i.e., Regions 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11). I just came across this map which seems to show four of the five regions.


 * Kaffa
 * Omo
 * Sidama
 * Welayta

Possible new republics



 * Gurage (&gt;1 million people)


 * Sidama (&gt;2 million people)

List

 * 1) Aari (&gt;570,000)
 * 2) Adal (1,411,092)
 * 3) Amhara (18,185,502)
 * 4) Anuak (&gt;200,000)
 * 5) Benishangul (&gt;300,000)
 * 6) Gumuz (&gt;225,000)
 * 7) Gurage (&gt;1,000,000)
 * 8) Hadiya (&gt;1,000,000)
 * 9) Kaffa (&gt;1,000,000)
 * 10) Konso (&gt;400,000)
 * 11) Nuer (&gt;100,000)
 * 12) Ogaden (5,148,989)
 * 13) Oromia (27,158,471)
 * 14) Sidama (&gt;3,000,000)
 * 15) Surma (&gt;400,000)
 * 16) Tigray (4,334,996)
 * 17) Welayta (&gt;3,000,000)

Мексика в «Русская Америка»

 * Main articles: Mexico:0:0 and States of Mexico:0:0
 * ''See also:, , ,




 * Quick idea (not final)


 * The Riego rebellion fails
 * Iturbide remains loyalist
 * Initial Mexican revolts around 1820 fail
 * Spain launches attack on Fort Ross, war breaks out
 * Russia sides with Mexican rebels

Flags of Alaska's governorates

 * Main articles: Governorates of Alaska:0:0
 * See also: Alaska territorial flag competition

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