Talk:1983: Doomsday/Former Proposals 1

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Kingdom of Bermuda (1983: Doomsday) and List of Monarchs of Bermuda (1983: Doomsday)
I created this country and was wondering if it's all right? I've been following this TL for a while and I really like it, I just noticed no one made anything for Bermuda so I took my chance. Here's the page. --Gamb1993 10:52, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I do like it, and it makes complete sense to make Bermuda a Kingdom - but am wary of the King and Queen. I'm starting to worry that we're getting close to a world where every British royal survived and headed for a different country.   Could there have been anyone locally to assume the throne?  Or a relatively obscure relative already in the area?   solved the monarch problem quite well without importing anyone from Holland.  Benkarnell 11:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I did look into having say a member of the royal family who'd moved to Bermuda beforehand; that didn't work. Then I looked for any locals who are famous but didn't find any appropriate ones (A rock singer and 'Miss World'.) So, grudgingly, I made Sophie his wife as in OTL.


 * That seems a backward way of doing it. You basically said, "It has got to be a proper Kingdom... so I'll make up something implausible and go with it", instead of thinking about the most likely course of events.  Bermuda might very well adopt a monarchy, but how would it import a British royal?  What's he even doing on the island?  Benkarnell 20:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Not really, I just thought it'd be better for Bermuda to stay as a Kingdom rather than converting straight to a Republic. Anyway, the island was an overseas British Territory at the time, though not a large one it was still quite close to Britain; also the troops who left were more frightened than anything else, and so in the ensuing panic they with their friends and family escaped. It just happened that the Prince was in the area at the time - So in the ensuing panic he was bundled onto the ship. Bermuda didn't ask for the Monarch, it's just they were free from the majority of the nuclear fallout and so seemed a good place to take the Prince to. --Gamb1993 17:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What Ben is concerned about is the fact that there has been a lot of articles in the TL that involve a British royal becoing the king/qwueen of a new nation and its starting to border on implausibility. I'm personally not against the idea of Bermuda as a kingdom but we may need to look at the facts.  Where did these destroyers come from? Was the prince anywhere  near a port in OTL where he could have been picked up?  Was the prince actually in OTL in a city that was nuked thus making it likely he is nothing more then radiocative dust?  All of that needs to be answered to make the government of Bermuda plausible, while saying "just happened that the prince was in the area" is a weak argument.  As a whole though the article is pretty good and if this was solved I would have no problem adding to the canon.  Mitro 17:41, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

According to his wikipedia article, the prince was in New Zealnad for two terms of school starting September 1982 and then came back to Britain to study at Jesus College at Cambridge (I'm assuming that means that in either May or Juine 1983 he returned to Britiain, I don't know British school schedules). I didn't find any evidence that Cambridge was destroyed, but that doesn't mean it wasn't. I did find though that the Celtic Alliance does run a euthenasia center in (or near) the city. Still Cambridge is not a port city and its closeness to London (only 50 miles) makes me wonder if the Prince would have made it someplace where he could have escaped. Mitro 17:56, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you for this information. Due to this I wish to actually change the page, I believe it would actually be more plausible to have Prince Andrew move to Bermuda on the HMS Invincible which he served on until late 1983, if this is okay I will change my page as soon as I can as I actually like this idea more now. --Gamb1993 18:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I foresee a small problem with that idea. According to Timeline (1983: Doomsday) the HMS Invincible was with Australia until it went to join the Celtic Alliance. Mitro 18:26, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

How annoying... I take it there's no way to change the timeline, how about on HMS Brazen? Or again is that a problem as Prince Andrew only transfered to RNAS Portland in late 1983? --Gamb1993 18:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

The TL may be changed but only if there is a group consensus to do so. Still I'm surprised you just don't have John William Morrison, 2nd Viscount Dunrossil become king. Look at it this way: if he is successful in getting Bermuda through the worst of DD, then the people may be grateful enough to offer him the title when he retires as governor. Mitro 18:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

That's an interesting idea, suppose I just really wanted an actual British Monarch to become the monarch there. So really unless if HMS Brazen is difficult to do then I'll place John as the King. --Gamb1993 18:46, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with Ben that there is way too many royals going off and starting their own country. I think its safe to assume that Edward died during the attack on Britain, or at least shortly thereafter.  Andrew probably survived and served longer on Invincible, but probably made his way to Rhodesia (1983: Doomsday) where the other royals were.  In fact I think it’s safe to assume that if any royals were still alive they would head to Rhodesia, Australia or South America instead of taking their chances in a small outpost in the devastated northern Hemisphere.  Mitro 18:57, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Even Rhodesia is an unlikely place for royals - or any group of Britons larger than a small boatload - to end up. If they're going to flee the island, why not just go to Ireland?  Bob and I have been talking on his Talk page about makign changes to those pages.  Probably The Rhodesia/Ralezia/New Brittania group should also be listed as Proposals.  Benkarnell 19:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That may need to happen, but to get back on topic would you agree that if John Morrison was made king Bermuda would be an acceptable article? Mitro 19:47, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * He seems like the perfect choice, as his entire job was to represent the Monarch in absentia. The fact that he was a peer is gravy, in my opinion.  He died OTL in 2000.  I'd assume that his kids from his second marriage were on Bermuda with him?  [EDIT] According to his obituary, he had two daughters likely to be with him in Bermuda.  I'd assume that his 30-year-old heir would not be, nor would his other three children by his ex-wife.  Benkarnell 20:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you find the name of the oldest, I guess she would be the next Queen. Or we could give the title to his second wife: Diana Mary Cunliffe Vise. Mitro 20:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

So the wife is now Queen Diana I, I think that solves all my problems with the article. I find it acceptable, does anyone else have a problem? Can we make this article the first graduate of the proposal process? Mitro 23:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I would agree and let him graduate from WCRB Proposal College. :) --Xi&#39;Reney 08:11, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Graduated and archived. Benkarnell 20:45, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Friesland (1983: Doomsday)
I like this page. Nothing unrealistic about it. I say keep the page like it is; only expand upon it a little and make it canon.--ShutUpNavi 21:06, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree, I would give it a graduation remark. --Xi&#39;Reney 08:13, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Graduated and archived. Benkarnell 20:45, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Navajo Nation (1983: Doomsday)
Any objection to graduating this article quickly? Mitro 03:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

graduation accepted. (though done) --Xi&#39;Reney 07:04, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Graduated and archived. Benkarnell 20:45, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Netherlands Antilles (1983: Doomsday)
Any objection to graduating this article quickly? Mitro 03:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Graduated and archived. Benkarnell 20:45, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

History of Utah (1983: Doomsday) and Utah (1983: Doomsday)
Any objection to graduating these articles quickly? Mitro 03:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Given the lack of response -- are these accepted, then? --Louisiannan 19:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think so. Graduated and archived.  Benkarnell 20:45, 15 June 2009 (UTC)