User talk:Smoggy80

New TL
http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_(Evil_Empire) Comments and suggestion appreciated MC Prank 17:15, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Blue Mars
Please see my list of constructive criticisms and suggestions on the Talk page. Louisiannan 23:02, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Northumbria
I raised a couple of questions about your Nortumbria page, which is still officially tagged as a proposal. Can you take a look please? Talk:1983:_Doomsday#Kingdom of Northumbria (1983: Doomsday) `Benkarnell 16:42, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

East coast trade links
Would they be trade via the sea or land?? Verence71 19:09, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

I would think that it would be by sea as the area south of Cleveland contains some heavily bombed cities like Bradford, Hull, Leeds, Birmingham, York, Lincoln, and Sheffield as well as some large military bases that would've been targets like Catterick and after over 25 years any roads that had survived the bombing would be more than likely impassable. plus Cleveland has a major port and ship building capibilities.--Smoggy80 16:21, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

That makes sense, in that event this place could be the Woodbridge stop-off point Lowestoft Verence71 18:19, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

As the author of a single, non-canon article, I don't have that much authority, but would it be okay to suggest naming the trade route something like the 'East England Trade Axis'? I just thought it would sound cool and would be something on which us East England editors could do a collaborative project on, and possibly act as the backbone of a potential 'League of Britons' that has been suggested. Only a suggestion, of course. Fegaxeyl 09:46, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good to me Verence71 15:21, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Organisation of British Nations
Would Cleveland and Northumbria be interested in joining the Organisation of British Nations?? Verence71 15:54, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

I would think so, however each nation would have to have a referendum before joining, and i can't imagine both nations not wanting to join purely for economic and trade reasons--Smoggy80 15:56, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

That's fair enough. I'll just slightly edit the intro to the site so Cleveland and Northumbria have applied to join pending referendums and are not full members. If, as you seem to imply the referendums about joining the Celtic Alliance are rejected that might increase the chances of a favourable result in any such vote to join the OBN. I'm thinking that the OBN might develop along the lines of the OTL EU Verence71 16:03, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

I have written [The Newer Map Game]]. Just read the rules and jump in! Signed by Calthrina950

World Cup 2010
The Netherlands would win, but too bad they aren't a country anymore in 1983: DD, haha. ProfessorMcG 18:24, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

i would say France or Italy would do well too but they're not doing too well in OTL either--Smoggy80 19:00, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Central World
Hi might you create an article for Central World I would like to turn it into a community project! Please Answer. VENEZUELA 15:35, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

True British Army
Smoggy, I noticed that you had spoken to Verence about the TBA. I'd just like to point out that it was my idea originally. Nothing else, really, just trying to maintain my intellectual property. Go ahead and create a page on them, if you wish - I'd be happy to cooperate, and I'm sure Verence would be too. Hope I'm not sounding too pompous.

Fegaxeyl 15:14, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

To be honest I hadn't even notice the message Smoggy had sent to me :) Verence71 15:47, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry didn't realise that the idea was yours originally, didn't mean to step on anyones toes or anything, any info would be useful thanks--Smoggy80 09:40, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

From what I gather the TBA is what Woodbridge may have becom if things had gone wrong in that they are remanants of the old armed forces pre-Doomsday. Woodbridge had a secure base of operations whereas what became the TBA did not. If this is wrong I'm sure Fegaxeyl will correct me :) Verence71 09:54, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

You've made a good start to the TBA article. I do have one minor niggle with it though. Would an organisation calling itself the True British Army allow soldier from another countty (even America) to serve within it's ranks?? Verence71 19:12, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Possibly the TBA could see any Americans as former British citizens (as Britain founded the USA) so putting the word 'True' in their name they could be in, some wierd way, staking a twisted British claim to the US. Also as they speak English and have similar morals to the British. You've also got the problem of a reduced population, if there were a few hundred Americans who surivied on a base somewhere then i can the TBA taking them in as the more military types they have the better they can keep the local populations under control. But if you have a problem with the Americans involved i can easily remove them--Smoggy80 19:19, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

It's possible that some American troops could have escaped from the bases at Mildenhall and Lakenheath before the bombs hit so you can go ahead with having Americans in the TBA :) Verence71 19:37, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Whoops, I should probably have been paying more attention to the conversation here!

My idea for the TBA was, as Verence correctly guessed, it began as military guys getting together to reestablish order. Of course, we'd need some unscrupulous leader to lead the army to how it is today: brutal and racist. I imagine they could claim legitimacy through some form of continuation of government thing (like Essex did). Indeed, the TBA seems to be just how Essex could have become had not there been the revolution in 1990. The racism aspect would evolve from conflict in certain areas between the British White population and a group of totally innocent people who were 'blamed' for the issue. (Perhaps a roving gang of a particular ethnicity giving everyone else a bad name could come into play here.) The guys who would form the TBA would do the right thing and stop these - but then, to create a sense of order, their leader would adopt white supremacist rhetoric leading to a blood feud followed by slavery. This would work better on a small scale initially, and then as the TBA expands it spreads the ideals of enslaving anyone even slightly non-British to the point of Nazi-like racial supremacy and treating the 'others' as animals.

These are my initial ideas, which you guys are free to comment on/shoot down/improve/alter as you desire. Fegaxeyl 19:55, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Luton could be the starting point for any racism from the TBA as according to estimates from 2005 it has a significant percentage of people of Asian (19.3%) and Black descent (7.9%). Any ethnic gangs would probably just exercebate any bad feelings towards foriegners who would probably be being blamed for the events of Doomsday ie "If it hadn't been for those d***ed foreigners our country would still exist". Verence71 10:50, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Newborn
Smoggy, when you get round to writing up the WCRB bulletin of the twins' birth, could you include the news that High Minister Lee Evans of Essex sends his regards, or whatever is the correct congratulations for the birth of a royal child. You may also want to do the same for other governments. Fegaxeyl 18:53, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Europa Games
I've started a page for the games that are going to be held in Prussia in October and I was wondering if Northumbria and/or Cleveland would be taking part. Tessitore 22:35, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

probably not as both nations are more focused on team sports rather than individual events--Smoggy80 19:30, August 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * There's a couple of team events listed, namely football and rugby sevens. Plus I've got the persistant idea of Northumbria doing well at archery since I got the impression that it's medieval enough for people to be practicing it regularly.Tessitore 20:20, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough, no harm in asking. Although if both of you and Southern England join the OBN there might be the chance of organising some inter-nation team competitions Verence71 19:46, August 19, 2010 (UTC)