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Apology
I apologize for any trouble and/or stress I have caused anyone in my 1 year and a bit I've been here. I made a major mistake, I eschewed quality, and replaced it with mere quantity. The complaints about my quality are of course, completely accurate. I am only sorry that I am a cause of any stress to others. I will freely admit that I was ignorant of the standards that were expected of the work I created, this is wholly my fault, and I do apologize. As you can probably tell, English is not my first language (I am a teen-ager learning it at school), I was using this wiki to practice making readable sentences. As this is not, and never was, the purpose of this wiki, I misused this public idea-sharing space. W̙̝ͧ̃͗i̢̖̰̝͙͖̺̟̼̿̽͐́ͅt̥̥̪̼̰ͯ͒̄̊̀ͬ͗̂h̴̡͍̹̺̃ͫ̈̌̀ ̖͚̓̾ș̛̞̫͙͇͉̾͐̎̀̂ĩ͕͍͖̦ͭ͌̀ͯ̕ͅn̖͈ͩͣ̄̋̋ͤ͡c̵̛̘̞͆̓̐̀̓̍̏ḙ̵͔̬͔͚͈͎̑͆ͪ́̑̋̆̓r͕̣͚̅͛͐̇͌̚e̷͕̓ͤͭ̈̌ ͔͚̯̰ͯͧ͐̀ả̋̓̔ͬ̓̀̀ͅp̨̩̗͔̈́̈ǫ̗̥̰̥͈̾̃̕l̦̙͙͍̗͌̆ͨ̏ͪ̈́̚͝o̸̶̳̙̰͙̘̥̤ͮ͋ͪg̪̹̝͔ͤ̊̊i͍̐͘e̸̿͂̂͗͏̬̹̦̼̫s͚͕̩ͥ̃̌̿͐̽̊́,̶̯̫̣͇͉̹ͧ͑̓͛ͬ̌ Ladon 23:12, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Whoa, whoa, whoa, Ladon -- There were a few that referenced your pages in particular -- but from what I could read about the Sino-Roman timeline, I saw no problems with how you set it up. The bulk of the complaints were related to pages done by others - pages that were not coherent in their story, that completely ignored the intent of this wiki -- to show creative alternate histories. Your three timelines looked to be very creative, and frankly, worthwhile.
 * The sole complaint was the naming of characters in your timeline -- however, from what I understand, there was a melding of cultures between China and Rome -- is there any wonder that names spread east and west?


 * Your English, for that matter, is very legible, very understandable, compared to others I've read.
 * As for the "standards", as we said, as long as you were serious about your timelines, be they a little "out-there" or not, we don't mind -- if you're serious about them. I see nothing wrong with keeping your stories here, and improving them. In fact, I ask you to reconsider -- I think you could make a valuable input here. Louisiannan 14:01, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Likem96
Why hasn't anyone done anything on Likem? All he's doing is importing articles from wikipedia and putting them into pages. Even if those are pages he made up, he's still not following the naming convention of putting what TL the page belongs to after the title's name. Can't someone do something? Mr.Xeight 04:05, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Huh, I missed this whole discussion. Thanks for adminning me, Dan. And I'll take a look at Likem's stuff... tomorrow. It's late.
 * And PS, I'm starting to really tire of AH.com myself. It's definitely more rigorous than this site, which is good, but it's also very cliquish and full of people who can only be described as "internet bags of a certain sort," if you follow me - which is bad. I just looked over the response to your TL idea back in the day and was pretty embarassed to see such incivility. Benkarnell 04:48, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

It's like you read my mind. Though I do admit, my response was uncalled for. I will however not apologize. I do enjoy the ASB section now, the story about how Hitler uses Alien-space-bats and demonc-seals I actually think is funny. Mr.Xeight 13:48, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Featured Alternate History
So last month’s Featured AH was chosen by just one user and this month’s is the same one as in August 2008. I still feel we need a new procedure for choosing a featured alternate history instead of just allowing users to act unilaterally or just reuse past year Featured AHs. I realize now though that my original proposal might have been too complicated, so I propose this new version that can be found on my Sandbox: User:Mitro/Sandbox. I got the idea for the format from the Honorverse Wiki. I think it’s a lot less complicated and easier to use. If its acceptable I can add a link to the month templates used for the Featured section so that it will show up on the main page. I also still have my original proposal in case anyone rather use that. Mitro 15:49, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

European Federation
I'm pretty new to althistory, but i find it all facinating. I was wondering if any of the althists out there were about the european union forming into one nation, and becoming a world superpower rivaling the USA and China. cheers, scott.


 * to get a united europe by 2009, you would probably need a point of departure following the second world war.--Marcpasquin 19:14, 8 August 2009 (UTC)


 * hmmm, good point. Well i was thinking that the Allies reached berlin first, after invading normandy earlier than 1944. This allowed the whole of western europe to be under allied and capitist control, and to combat the eastern bloc, they formed the european union, which sometime later formed into the european federation.


 * I've decided to create an althistory on the European Federation and would appreciate any help from anyone who is interested in this subject. My e-mail is scott12398@hotmail.com ust incase anyone would like to contact me.

thanks

Byzantine Empire
Can we rename the TL most generically called "Byzantine Empire"? I like surfing the site to find pages involving my most humble ancestors (if that wasn't a blatant lie), but when I search "Byzantine Empire", that particular TL comes up. Mr.Xeight 22:26, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It hasn't been edited since February so I think its ok to rename it and turn the page into a dismbig. Any suggestions? Mitro 22:55, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Maybe something like "Byzantine Empire Triumphant, or even something unimaginative like "Byzantine World", but I do like the idea of the Roman Kingdom being made into a disambig. Oh and I've finally found time to create a page for F'sW's Greece. Mr.Xeight 22:57, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll go with the first one ([EDIT] especially since I just found out Byzantine World is already taken) and then use the original article to create a disambig page (I like doing this because I stumble on so many good articles I never knew existed). Cool on FW Greece as well, can't wait to read it. I'm working on Japan's at the moment myself. Mitro 23:17, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Almost... there!
There's 7987 articles on the wiki! 13 more until 8000! Sorry, just thought I'd mention it. --DarthEinstein 20:53, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

In other languages
What is up with the "In other languages" section? The red links are spilling out of the square. Mitro 23:00, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Help!
Someone has my password to this account. As of today I've had two people asked why I've been reverting edits on their pages. The first time I thought it was simply an accident. The second I know it hasn't been; I've been watching Me, Myself, and Irene since 10 AM Central Time!
 * What I'm afraid of is that literally no one I know knows that I'm involved on this site. It's not a friend playing around who I have my password to. Something terrible is happening and I think the best thing to do after this is to ban my account for a day once I change my password. I'll write another message once I'm ready.

Mr.Xeight 19:43, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

I've changed my password, I'm ready. Dan I'll email you the password. And Mitro if you could email me at mr.xeight@gmail.com. Mr.Xeight 19:49, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Althist of an althist?
Would it be possible to take one of the existing timelines and make a POD within one of them? Is it allowed? Bob 13:13, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Infobox problem
Hi,

For some reason the infoboxes on the Step in a Different Direction began to fuck up today (example) - does anybody have any idea why this happens, if this is only a problem in my end, or whether it is temporary or not?

Thanks in advance, Realismadder 12:33, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * Its not just on your end, I have seen it on a lot of other articles as well. Mitro 14:45, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Problem
The page World 1970-1980 (Chaos) has been edited so many times by a vandal anything after the last edit I get a message saying that it can't be undone because there are other edits before it. Can anyone fix the page? Mr.Xeight 22:20, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

There. I just copied in the last reasonable edit over the page. That's kind of brute force way of doing it, but I think that works. Red VS Blue 22:27, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I blocked the two anons causing the trouble. FYI, next time report any vandalism on TSPTF page. Mitro 00:27, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Vampire
Check out this article: Vampire. Apparently this article is currently locked from editing until a decision is made on whether it should remain with the wiki...but that was done in 2006. So what does everyone say? Can it stay or should it be deleted? Mitro 08:25, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

to start this article is well written and could be part of an OTL I say keep it Owen1983 11:55, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Owen I believe you mean to say "ATL" not OTL. Read the article we have on OTL, I think you will find you have been using the acronym wrongly. Mitro 16:21, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Is it just me...
or has there been a sudden spike in users who don't understand this Wiki doesn't cover future history.? As of lately, I've seen an increasing number of TLs marked for deletion because they covered future events.Jack Vexx 01:18, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Funny you should mention that, especially since the sentence "While Future Histories are interesting, as is Science Fiction, these are not within the scope of our wiki" shows up on the main page itself. Mitro 03:24, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Locked Out
Hi everyone, I'm back from a (failed) period of fasting from electronics!

To make sure I wasn't tempted to log into the wikis and break my vow (which I did nonetheless), I had another person reset my password to something only they knew. Now (no surprise to me), they forgot the password, and I'm locked out from my account. The person originally made an error when typing in the password, and forgot what the misspelled word was. Things only get worse...

I have three emails, one for business, the other two for pleasure. Apparently none of the three are the ones I registered to this account, so I receive no message to reset my password. Is there anything perhaps the people at Central Wikia can do? Is the only thing I can do is make a new account?

71.239.255.38 01:48, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I would try finding the email you used when you originally registered your username. If you really can't find it then I would contact someone at Wikia and see what they can do. If that still doesn't work just create a new username. Mitro 14:13, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

I contacted them last night, but I'm worried with the quality of my computer that the message might not have gone through. I didn't have to send it from email address, my help message was sent through their website. I'm unsure if it got there successfully since I've been having problems sending out messages recently. Is there anything I can do now besides wait?

71.239.255.38 04:53, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * You could always create a new user name so you can edit under a name for the time being. Mitro 18:41, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

It's good to be back :) Mr.Xeight 23:42, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Watchlist
Is anyone else pissed that Wikia ended the watchlist feature? Mitro 01:53, May 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Pissed off might be a little strong. But ya I'm definitely upset. I have to either scroll all the way down to my widget or go through a bunch of menus to get to an update of the pages I'm following. I'm guessing there's no way to restore it here, eh? Red VS Blue 02:08, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you type in "Special:Watchlist" in the search bar, it will bring up the old watchlist. Mitro 03:11, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * You can change your skin under preferences - that's what I'm using - monobook, I think it is. I still have my watchlist in the upper-right corner. Louisiannan 20:26, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Current events and althistory
How recently can a fork start? Thus, for example - the UK general election being won by a single party/going into a more complex situation at present, or the Polish plane crash causing disruption between Poland and Russia/the plane crash involving participants in the earlier event at Katyn? Jackiespeel 21:57, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * We discourage any timeline from progressing beyond the present day. So if you started a timeline with the polish plane crash, or the UK election, it would have to only go up until 5/9/10, and so it would be a very short alternate history, but it could unfold more real time. 1983: Doomsday goes along this route, with the discovery of history and the exploration of current events. Louisiannan 23:00, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Could a mention be made on the Conventions page/future history section?

Both suggestions could, of course be backdated (ie any UK historical election, hung parliament apart from 1974, and Katyn 60th anniversary plane crash(es) - which might inclued Karol Wojtyla/Pope John Paul II and/or Lech Walesa - I am referring to the April 7 2010 event in my previous posting). Jackiespeel 17:36, May 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * To be honest I was thinking of doing a UK 2010 Election althistory where the Lib Dems get their 100+ seats they were expecting :p the "role" of that kind of timeline would be largely reactionary (ie the moments afterwards) so it wouldn't really need to go into future issues. Mikebloke 21:44, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Other 2010 possibilities would include various minor parties get significant representations (so effectively several party Parliament), 'one constituency one party', voters' strike (I don't think there is a legal minimum number of votes required as distinct from 'perception of too few votes to be viable), and one major party not having any candidates elected.

And - the 1974 elections and 'rise of the SDP' versions could be develeoped, allowing a longer timeline. Jackiespeel 15:19, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

9/11 Alternate History exemption act
Why is it that, in nearly every timeline I see, no matter how far back the POD is, we always end up with a terrorist attack on September 11th 2001 against the dominant superpower? I don't have quite as much an issue with the abundance of WWIs and WWIIs all starting at the same time across countless AltHists, as they involve large geopolitical trends, but why would a change back in 12th century Rome result in a terrorist attack by a tiny cell of people who probably wouldn't even have been born in the ATL hijacking the same number of planes and crashing them into the same targets as OTL? (I don't think that there is an ATL involving a POD in 12th century Rome, I'm just using it to illustrate my point.)

I'm just wondering if anyone else is as mildly frustrated with this as I am. Fegaxeyl 13:34, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * The phenomenom you are referencing is called "parallel history" and is generally a sign of poor alternate history, usually done by beginners. Harry Turtledove is well known for this actually. Despite the implausibility of it, I would not reccomend banning it completely as the title of this topic suggests. Such a thing smacks of censorship and would discourage new editors. Mitro 16:15, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually the title is a reference to TV Tropes wiki, which has a 'Hitler's Time Travel Exemption Act' which involves basically the same thing - no matter how history is changed through time travel, Hitler comes to power (and often does better) regardless. Fegaxeyl 16:41, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I remember reading a short story on the Hitler vs time travelers angle. It turned out to be some sort of "convention" of time travelers, all coming back to the same date. They ended up killing the "good Hitler" who was replaced by a "bad Hitler" double (or perhaps the "good Hitler" was a double set up by Hitler's regime). Mitro is right, that is poor alternate history. The same thing shows up with with assasinations unless the Alternate history is specifically about saving the particular victim. I recently had to work getting a particular victim in place to be killed by the same person on the same day (the main editor had written the assasination in, and I didn't want to change his work too much).
 * Long story short, no "exemption" need be written, but let this be a warning -- poor alternate history is not followed as faithfully as good alternate history. If a time line does not have the build up of animosity leading to a particular terrorist act, then that act shouldn't happen "on schedule." SouthWriter 01:47, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * I remember reading a short story on the Hitler vs time travelers angle. It turned out to be some sort of "convention" of time travelers, all coming back to the same date. They ended up killing the "good Hitler" who was replaced by a "bad Hitler" double (or perhaps the "good Hitler" was a double set up by Hitler's regime). Mitro is right, that is poor alternate history. The same thing shows up with with assasinations unless the Alternate history is specifically about saving the particular victim. I recently had to work getting a particular victim in place to be killed by the same person on the same day (the main editor had written the assasination in, and I didn't want to change his work too much).
 * Long story short, no "exemption" need be written, but let this be a warning -- poor alternate history is not followed as faithfully as good alternate history. If a time line does not have the build up of animosity leading to a particular terrorist act, then that act shouldn't happen "on schedule." SouthWriter 01:47, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

If there is a 'rise and fall of the Cold War' component to the ATL having 'non-state groups' arise, some of which decide to initiate a conflict with the dominant power/seek to damage/destroy iconic buildings might well occur (there might also be symbolic equivalents: damaging flags, actions on signficant dates etc) - but not necessarily on 11 September. Convergent history rather than parallel history. There is also seeing how a divergent previous story will lead to a different outcome to the same event in both timelines. Jackiespeel 20:59, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

Examples of equivalent actions would include - Lenin's tomb on the anniversary of the Bolshevik Revolution; US survivalist group; followers of Carlos Marighella - and possibly to have some althistories which do converge with OTL on that particular day.

As for the 12th Century Rome-based starting points - variations on the Crusades (including the Popes deciding upon other methods should be tried; or the Fourth Crusade is not directed against Byzantium) and the Investituter Controversy. (If anyone wants to develop either of these 'just ask.') Jackiespeel 18:11, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Templates:Nationinfo
I have just added a "non-template" version at "Template:Nationinfo." It enables an editor to add more than one OTL equivalent using the Wikipedia page link. Editors basically are adding lines and links as needed to a simple two column chart. If one needed to add a map in the regular place, though, they would have to alter the framework of the chart (not as easy, requiring a chart within the chart). A map above the two column chart, though, would work. Remember, in order to use the chart or the template, it is much easier to copy AND paste in "source" mode. --SouthWriter 22:16, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia rearrangements
Will Althistory Wiki follow the WP changes - or remain with the rest of the Wikiverse in ege keeping the search box in the left column? Jackiespeel 18:08, June 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * I guess that completely depends on our overlords at Wikia, we don't really have a say in that other than being able to pick a colour for the skin. --Karsten vK (talk) 19:04, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

New Community Project
"The following conversation was removed from the "1983: Doomsday" talk page and placed here since it has little to do with the TL, and relates to the entire Wiki".


 * How bout for a new community project, We have a POD in ancient times? Like say, Alexander the Great dies. Therefore the Persian Empire lasts several more centuries and wipes out Islam when it comes in the 7th century. I'm just making this up as I go... Eastward Expansion 14:11, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * We can take that as a "no," I guess. Go ahead and start another project EE, but those of us that have been building this time line will be putting most of our time on 1983DD. SouthWriter 14:16, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's okay if you all still want Doomsday. I just kinda think we multiple community projects.Eastward Expansion 14:18, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Another community project? I'm sorry East, but most users would likely focus on Doomsday. Yankovic270 14:25, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I like the idea of many community projects. VENEZUELA 14:29, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm ready to work with this timeline for a long time. And won't just trying to figure out a community project which we all like just cause us to lose interest in 1983DD and hurry over to the new one? Fegaxeyl 14:36, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * The Alexander the Great thing would be interesting, but I just don't see how it would work out with the POD so far back....too much unwritten history. Plus, we need some sort of event that could create a lot of small but stable states, like in DD. Otherwise, like other time lines, everything would be taken up by 3-4 superstates. It's just not that fun when you have that. Maybe we could have a meteor hitting the earth, or a solar flare/EMP that fries all the electronics worldwide (ever read the book One Second After?). Aliens, maybe, but that would get reaaaalll weird, real fast. BoredMatt 14:42, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * We have a lot of meteor time lines, but they are not open time lines to this one. As for me, I can multitask on several TL's, but I'm sticking with 1983: Doomsday. I'm figuring that things will return to normal when Mitro gets back. As for HAD, you have a point. This is the best timelne on the Wiki and just because some of us have gotten distracted does not mean it's dead. Looking through the archives, I found there was a time when we were down to around three (or four if you count Owen) active members. This TL is basically going through a recession, but everyone eventually pulls out of a recession, eh? Arstarpool 16:08, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Talking about Doomsday, could we maybe get a updated map?--Sunkist- 16:46, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * If you want a POD that would make major changes but isn't too far back, how about Columbus sailing for Venice or Genoa, who he historically approached before Spain but they turned him down? Or the Margrave of Brandenburg dies or something, causing Brandenburg's personal union with Prussia to end, this would result in no major rival to the emperor's power causing the HRE to last longer and not having a unifying force for Germany. This would likely mean the Russians steamroll over much of Europe, but possibly influence Russian society, bringing about modernization of the political system and no Bolshevik revolution. Who knows. Theres lots of different scenarios.Oerwinde 17:41, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * When 1983: DD started not everyone was behind so why can't a new one start? The people who want to create new timeline can chose their own POD and organize it their way. And the people who want to stick to 1983 can stick to it. And the people who want to multitask can multitask. Truth be told, to other people outside of 1983 (like me), this time line looks uneditable. There is so much history and so much information to process it is a daunting task trying to even create a new country. There is a new generation of people who want a new community project, one they can actually edit and help with. ProfessorMcG 17:52, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * P.S. Is anyone watching Wimbledon? This is crazy. ProfessorMcG 17:55, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah! Thanks McG! So who's with us? Who thinks their needs to be a new community project? I kinda like the of Columbus sailing for Genoa. Or maybe Napoleon conquers half the world then dies without an heir, causing the empire to fragment. But anyway, sign you name here if you want to be part of the New Community project!


 * Eastward Expansion 18:02, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * ProfessorMcG 18:09, June 23, 2010 (UTC) Although I want to help with 1983, but you guys can't be as difficult (not saying you are terribly difficult right now) when you want help to revive this.
 * BoredMatt 18:11, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fedelede 01:37, June 24, 2010 (UTC) who says there can't be two community projects?

I think the Kaiserreich TL I'm working on has great potential as a comunity project, theres so much to be done. The fragmented Europe/India/British empire and US provide a massive area for expansion. Just a thought though. BTW i'l be one of the people multitasking.Vegas adict 18:28, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * So myself, Oer, Yank, South, Pool and Feg wanna continue. That's cool.HAD 18:22, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Zack still contributes a lot. BrianD shows his face from time to time, and McG, Lordganon and Sunkist just got into 1983:DD as well. We lost 5 members, we gained three back... Arstarpool 18:26, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for not ignoring me Arstar ProfessorMcG 18:28, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. Add Vegas to our list. So as of June 24, 2010, we have 12 members. It's still the biggest TL on the wiki!Arstarpool 18:31, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, even though not many people signed up, I think we should start Matt and McG!

Anyone like my Napoleon idea? (as mentioned above)

Or do you have your own ideas?Eastward Expansion 19:24, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * East, it's not happening...Just face it, 1983:DD had a bump in the road, but it is nearly back to normal thanks to the point I raised, and so many other who agree with me.Arstarpool 19:29, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, guys, I've put up a new heading for this discussion. I think there is room for "multitasking" (I do a little of that myself, though I am a bit ADD), but there is plenty of room in the althistory wiki for other projects. I am working with Nuclear Vaccume (NukeVac) on Two Americas, for instance, and he has opened it up for others to help as well. That is a time line that assumes a ceasefire in 1866 (after POD's that enlonged the war) between the USA and CSA. Also, I welcome help on my new time line "No Supernatural Intervention" -- same world history but with a "non-interference" policy on the part of God and all other supernatural forces. If you go over to "NSI" contact me via its discussion page or my talk page first.


 * It looks like the new fellows are wanting something new and easier to edit. Well, they can make new rules when they start the project, but I think our concensus idea works quite well. Keep up the good work "old timers." SouthWriter 19:34, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not an old timer, I just came here in March! Anyways, We DO need something like this, with proposal rules, open talk pages, etc. Arstarpool 19:39, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Why don't we use a already existing article? I nominate my Time line call Central World, it's new and small perfect for turning it in a community project. VENEZUELA 20:53, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't want to butt in or anything, but what does a new community project have to do with the DD:1983 talk page? This discussion would be better left for the Nexus or the Althistory talk page, not this page.--Vladivostok 20:57, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I'll move it in the next few hours. Arstarpool 21:04, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with Vlad. And I didn't know you could do that, Arstar. I at least put it under a different heading here. SouthWriter 21:07, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean, South? Arstarpool 21:12, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

My comment "I'll move in the next few hours" sounded waaay to admin-like. Arstarpool 21:17, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Uh, I think you answered your own question, Arstar. Yeah, moving a whole discussion sounds like something an administrator would do. Welcome to the team! :-)


 * What team, anonymous user? Arstarpool 02:32, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was agreeing with you, Arstar, about it being an "admin-like" thing to do. I was making a joke - note the smiley face - at your "promotion" to administration. SouthWriter 05:19, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oooh, Arstar, are you getting at something? ProfessorMcG 02:36, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

We still need to figure out who wants to do the new community project. Write your name below, whether you want to continue with 1983: DD too, it doesn't matter.
 * 1) ProfessorMcG 13:45, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe I am not understanding this discussion, but is not everyone already trying to actively create a community project every time they post one of their TLs? No one every tapped 1983: Doomsday as the main community project of the wiki, it just sort of happened. Someone wrote a TL, Xi adopted it, let other people edit it, these people created new articles attracting other editors, eventually they formed rules and established a community. Everything just sort of snowballed from one person's act of creation. If you guys want to do the same thing, get creative and write a TL and see what happens. If you guys are going to start a community before you have the TL, I think you are going to find it really difficult to get this thing off the ground. -Mitro

Uh, I think I've created a new community project. The fish are biting and the pages are multiplying. Check it out here.Arstarpool 23:02, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

I created a new community project!: Check it here: Central World.

New TSTPF Members

 * With Mitro, Xi-Reney and Mr. Xeight all gone, this site has gone to crap in terms of organization. I saw we should elect Interim members to the TSTPF in their absences. Anyone with me? Arstarpool 04:14, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Oh no, I'm still here, I've recently decided to come out of hibernation. Of course don't expect me long, I've decided to become a chop (or "wanker" if you're British) to show my distate for the current state of the site and will probably be banned a few weeks down the line for being so rude to everyone. But that's okay, at least I'll show to a few people how far gone this site is. Mr.Xeight 05:40, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, while my opinion still counts, I'd like to nominate Yankovic. I know our relationship has become strained in the past, but while I was gone he really blossomed into an integral part of the site and really knows his QSS, QAA, and how to realistically write an article. Make Ms. Christina Nicole proud, Yank :) Mr.Xeight 05:59, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Oh and Mr. South Writer deserves one as well, even though we never actually directly spoke to each other, I did notice his professionalism and good judgement. Mr.Xeight 06:03, June 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Mr. X8. I try not to let ideology and stuff like that get in my way. I can even work with Yank! :-) SouthWriter 13:24, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I was about to suggest him, until you edited the page and I lost all my work, Xeight. Arstarpool 06:05, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but that comment came off as a little rude, but hey that's happened to me so many times before; when you get that warning that your edit can't be processed, just copy what you wrote. And sorry for that, too, I know I would always get frustrated when it happened to me. Mr.Xeight 06:07, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Mmkay. So Yank vs. South, hmm.... Arstarpool 06:13, June 28, 2010 (UTC) Who should be elected to the TSTPF SouthWriter Yankovic270 Arstarpool

You do know you can have more than one member right? I've forfeited mine just this moment and Mr. Karnell has no intention of returning because he's essentially moved on and I've described to him a horror-story. Besides, if you don't want both to possess the same rank, you can give varying promotions based on who joined first, or who wants it more, etc. Mr.Xeight 06:17, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

If South gets elected then that will get in the way of our friendship!! No! South!!!! ProfessorMcG 13:42, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I don't see how that will work, McG. Again, this poll means nothing without approval from the admin(s). Arstarpool 14:02, June 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * This is true, Arstar. In fact, they set up a nomination process on this very page. The most recent election put four officers up, with all first being nominated and then seconded. You are not allowed to nominate yourself - or to second the nomination of yourself. So, it only takes two votes (on record with signatures) to be nominated. Then the administrators decide whether to accept the nominees into the Wiki administration. SouthWriter 15:24, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * If we use the poll we don't know who nominated who and who seconded who, someone can vote for themselves again. ProfessorMcG 18:51, June 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Here I am. I have been neglecting my administrative duties, definitely - and it's true that most all of the admins are currently inactive. I favor immediate promotion of all three of the nominees, in order to keep the site running. As it is we're looking at a site with no leaders at all, and that's never a good thing. Is anyone else out there interested in a leadership role? Because there is a desperate need for an more hands in the TSPTF. Benkarnell 19:31, June 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't mind being a TSPTF member, I have lots of experience with this sort of stuff on one of my other sitesVegas adict 19:40, June 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * OK. I've just e-mailed Louisianan and Mitro to get their opinions (I hesitate to unilaterally promote crowds of people). But hopefully there can be quick agreement. Benkarnell 19:43, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * So right now our options are:
 * Vegas
 * South
 * Ars
 * Yank
 * I just like to keep the peace on my Map games and 1983: Doomsday, so I don't think I'm superly qualified, but it would be nice if I could score a position, but I'm not about to go kiss up to the higher-ups to get a position. Arstarpool 20:04, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * As far as I'm concerned, it's not kissing up. The site desperately needs people to step up, and they ought to be (1) willing to do it, (2) active on the wiki, and (3) not a complete jackass. Interestingly, when I became an admin I only met criterion #3 (I was promoted without being asked and was on an extended wikibreak at the time). Benkarnell 20:16, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * As far as I'm concerned, it's not kissing up. The site desperately needs people to step up, and they ought to be (1) willing to do it, (2) active on the wiki, and (3) not a complete jackass. Interestingly, when I became an admin I only met criterion #3 (I was promoted without being asked and was on an extended wikibreak at the time). Benkarnell 20:16, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

That's exactly why I need to resign, I don't fit any of the criteria. Mr.Xeight 20:20, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I would be willing, I am one of the most active members at the moment, and I can't rate myself on being a jackass. I slip up at times, but for the most part I think I make honest and (relatively) plausible contributions. I have gotten into a couple fights with a user whose name I keep to myself, but for the most part I think that I have helped a few people out. Arstarpool 20:25, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

So...the consensus is that we elect all four, but only for the moment? Or do we vote and only pick 1, still, only for the moment? Haha, Mr. X I doubt your a jackass. ProfessorMcG 22:44, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I think this is to elect new members, not temporary members. But I think ONE person should fill in for Mitro for the time being, which means such person will temporarily be given administrative rights. Arstarpool 23:13, June 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh no, we need more than one active admin. And right now, nobody on the admin list is active regularly, myself and MrX8 included. Benkarnell 23:41, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Should we just elect a whole new batch in? We have the "original four": Louis, Mitro, Ben, and that other guy. So maybe we should just elect the "new four" in, although I doubt me, Vegas, and Yank could make admin status. Arstarpool 23:53, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Should we just elect a whole new batch in? We have the "original four": Louis, Mitro, Ben, and that other guy. So maybe we should just elect the "new four" in, although I doubt me, Vegas, and Yank could make admin status. Arstarpool 23:53, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I seem to be in the lead.

Yankovic270 23:57, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Yank, these aren't real elections. This is just a poll to see who is supporting who. Arstarpool 00:03, June 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * There are actually ten admins. It looks like eleven because Nik42 switched over to his Nik account quite early on. The "old guard" of the site is largely long gone: Chlewey, Max Sinister, Marc Pasquin, Nik, and Sikulu. Karsten (Villa Cruoninga) and Louisianan are still occasional contributors, but certainly not active on a regular basis. The same could be said for me. Mitro has announced his good-bye. That leaves Oerwinde as the only active user with admin rights. How many do we think it will take to keep things running? Five? Four? That should form the basis of our discussion - the needs of the site. Benkarnell 01:48, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * So, when can we get a new batch of TSPTF members in here? Arstarpool 02:11, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Temporary goodbye only. I'll be back in August. -Mitro

If I just may add something to the discussion, I think we should have done this a while ago. It really did get to the point in the last two months where only Oer was active and that was a bit alarming. Now for the four candidates I'd just like to say that they would all make great additions to the TSPTF. Arstarpool has done most of the mediating on Doomsday since Mitro left, Yank has been here a long time and knows the ins and outs of the wiki the best of the four chosen, SouthWriter is the cool collected one and Vegas, although the newest addition to the site, is really a good guy and has some admin experience. If I had to, I'd back them all to be in the TSPTF.--Vladivostok 09:06, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

How about you, Vlad? You've got quite a bit of experience on the site yourself. Arstarpool 16:04, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Me? Well, why not? But only if no one objects and if there is room for me in this new batch of recruits.--Vladivostok 16:12, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

I think that there is room for all candidates to be added to the TSPTF. After all, of the ten admins there is basically only one who regularly contributes (with Mitro only temporarily gone). This means that there are eight (or so) seats to fill, and the five candidates (including myself) can be accomodated with no trouble. The thing is, I don't know which of the eight contributors wants to become a regular contributor again.

Yankovic270 16:40, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, is that really such a problem? Is there a specific number of seats that can be filled?--Vladivostok 17:08, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well Arstarpool has both been extremely active, as well as basically taken over the admin duties in all but name of 83DD, so if anyone should be made an admin, its him.Oerwinde 17:42, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm flattered, Oer. Was it you who voted for me above? Arstarpool 19:20, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I voted for South like 10 times already, so no big deal...ProfessorMcG 19:23, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * So it's South, Arstar (me), and Yank. And maybe Vegas and Vlad should get Constable or Officer Emeritus rights. Arstarpool 19:27, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Can I achieve the rank of Apprentice Peasant? And yea Arstar, those people including you are the best for the positions... ProfessorMcG 19:30, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey guys? I know I'm sorta new here and I just use this account to read althists instead of make my own, or contribute in any way. But I'd like to nominate someone. Can I nominate? French Victory 19:37, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've been reading a lot of talk pages, and Eastward Expansion seems kinda nice. The only person he's every been angry at was Calthrina950 (the girl who cussed people out) and even that was only after she was banned. He's got as many edits as Vlad. And he's even helped in the Superpowers timeline. And when he uses stuff from another timeline, he always asks first. Unlike when VENEZUALA stole some stuff from the Central Victory timeline.French Victory 19:44, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know about East, he only participates in Map Games most of the time. But maybe we could elect him as an officer emeritus or a constable. Arstarpool 20:03, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * So here is my proposal for the "new" TSPTF, tell me what you think:
 * Brass
 * SouthWriter
 * Yankovich270
 * Arstarpool (Option 1)
 * Leutenants
 * Arstarpool (Option 2)
 * Vladviostok
 * Vegas Adict (Option 1)
 * Constables
 * Vegas Adict (Option 2)
 * Eastward Expansion (Option 1)
 * Officers Emeritus
 * Eastward Expansion (Option 2)
 * Oh thank you French Victory! That was quite nice of you. As for me only participating in map games, have you seen my TL, Quetzalcoatl's World? Or the article I'm doing for Red called Ongtsegheon? My point is that I do more than just map games.
 * Constables
 * Vegas Adict (Option 2)
 * Eastward Expansion (Option 1)
 * Officers Emeritus
 * Eastward Expansion (Option 2)
 * Oh thank you French Victory! That was quite nice of you. As for me only participating in map games, have you seen my TL, Quetzalcoatl's World? Or the article I'm doing for Red called Ongtsegheon? My point is that I do more than just map games.
 * Oh thank you French Victory! That was quite nice of you. As for me only participating in map games, have you seen my TL, Quetzalcoatl's World? Or the article I'm doing for Red called Ongtsegheon? My point is that I do more than just map games.
 * Oh thank you French Victory! That was quite nice of you. As for me only participating in map games, have you seen my TL, Quetzalcoatl's World? Or the article I'm doing for Red called Ongtsegheon? My point is that I do more than just map games.


 * And any way, what's the responsibilities of the Officers Emeritus (I'm assuming they're the lowest rank, but I'm still okay with that)? Eastward Expansion 20:11, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * And constables are the second-lowest? Eastward Expansion 20:14, June 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * The officers emeritus are simply inactive admins, so we can hardly add new ones ;-). Like I said, the four of us are discussing it. Has SouthWriter expressed an interest? I don't see him in this discussion, and before we name the new folks I'd like to know if he wants to be a part of it. Benkarnell 20:19, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * What do you mean when you are 'discussing' it? Don't the 'people' get a right to say who they want? ProfessorMcG 20:27, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope, that is just how the new admins are elected to the position.--Vladivostok 20:31, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * This wiki is not a democracy. Though one day it might be preferable down the road to elect admins, right now we have no procedure in place to make any election fair. Right now we are stuck with our "benevolent oligarchy." Don't get me wrong, the admins are hardly dictators and generally we go with public opinion 95% of the time, but all of the admins are volunteers who have been approved by the current admins at the time of their ascension. People are usually selected as long as they have a good reputation. no attitude problems and generally wish to volunteer the time to improve the wiki as a whole. -Mitro

While i may not have the same knowlage of this particular wiki as Yank or South I do have good knowlage of adminship on other wikis. Generaly you need at least 1 active admin per 1000 pages. At the moment i count three active admins two of which are burocrats (Ben, Louisiannan and Oerwinde) with Xi'Reney posibly coming back. Therefore even with Mitro returning we will have 4 active admins, To remedy this we would probalbley need all five of the proposed admins. However this is just my opinion and it's up to the wiki to decide.Vegas adict 20:32, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

I say we stop babbling and get some new admins in here within the next 48 hours. Arstarpool 20:44, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Any way I can get fit in here somewhere? ;-) GOPZACK 20:50, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Arstar and Vegas, both of you have great points. And considering we should have about 10 admins that's good because, 4 active admins +5 proposed ones +GOPZACK = 10. That equals out nicely. And yes, within the next 48 hours we should have new admins.Eastward Expansion 21:08, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

I deleted the whole results of the poll by accident :(Arstarpool 21:37, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Oh I can't leave this site; I've grown too attached to it in the years. May I please have my old job back? Mr.Xeight 05:22, June 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, Karsten, Louisianan, and Mitro have expressed concern with some of the nominees, and I'd prefer to discuss that off-site unless nobody has a problem with these concerns being aired in public. I kind of hate the opaque nature of this process, and I'll gladly share the thought process if consensus is that I ought to. So far I've mostly tried to avoid embarassing anybody.
 * I want everything to be clear, though, before going ahead with the expansion. So now besides Arstar and Yankovic and Vegas: Gopzack, Vladivostok, EastwardExpansion, and MrX8 are now also interested? EE, since you're so new to the site, I think I'm going to say "wait" right off. Three months is, I suppose, rather substantial in Internet Time, but I would be more comfortable if you spent some more time in the community, exhibiting leadership on an informal basis before getting the official bump.
 * SouthWriter has yet to weigh in, so I can only assume that administratorship is not something he's terribly interested in.
 * Anyone who wants to email me: ben@henua.tk is where you can reach me. Or else just say "I don't mind discussing myself on-wiki" and we can talk it all over here or at your userpage.
 * Benkarnell 17:07, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't mind discussing myself on-wiki. Just message me on my talk page. Arstarpool 17:12, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Likewise, I don't mind discusing myself on-wiki. I think this whole thing should be as open as posible even if it involves critisisms of users.Vegas adict 17:33, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks like I'm a constable now! Arstarpool 17:59, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Looks like I'm a member of the Brass now. I have two questions:


 * 1) What specific position should I take?


 * 1) Where can I get an image of the badge to stick on my userpage?

Yankovic270 18:09, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Yank, actually acording the the User:Rights list, your a constable. Same with me. Arstarpool 18:12, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Oh. I thought we were using French Victory's idea.

Yankovic270 18:15, June 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just out of intrest is the TSPF badge just for Burocrats or can Admins like me and Vlad put it on our user pages?Vegas adict 19:47, June 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Of course anyone in any of the tsptf groups can use it. But by convention, it seems, only bureaucrats get a ludicrous title, and even then it must be given by somebody else. Benkarnell 19:52, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Editing Error
I was editing a page a few minutes ago and when I clicked preview it said that there was a problem and that I needed to reload the page to solve it. When I did so everything I wrote was gone. Although I attempted to go Back through my browser, and even reopened the page in my history, none of these brought back any of what I had written. Is there a way to recover this lost data? Any help on this would be greatly appreciated as I had over an hours work written down. Red VS Blue 03:49, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

New Community Project: Central World
Hi Everyone, I want to turn the Timeline Central World into a community project! Everyone who have ideas or want to write an article feel free to do it remember to add the proposal template: CWProp. Please write your opinions, ideas, and everything here! and remember feel free to imagine and create... VENEZUELA 02:28, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but it's not community project material. It just won't happen. Most of the information is copied from real life, and the Nazis winning does not really create any new or original ideas. Arstarpool 23:28, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

What Nazis? What most information it just have like 15 articles? VENEZUELA 23:30, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

I meant Germany and the Central Powers. Sorry. Arstarpool 23:37, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Hey you think you're the creator of Althistory, you try to control EVERYTHING, the Central Powers winning bring a extremely different world!!!!!!!!!!! unless you're the 1000 users of Althistory?????????? VENEZUELA 23:46, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

No I don't, Vene, and I am only stating an opinion, so it's not like I'm going into Central World and deleting it, that would be controlling everything. Arstarpool 00:05, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

You said I won't just happen but more than 8 users said that it can happen and 2 excluding me have write articles. VENEZUELA 00:26, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

IRC
So, we have two unofficial IRC channels, mine and Vegas', I personally like Vegas' one better. Anyway, this is how you can join.

1) Go to http://webchat.freenode.net/

2) Go to the channel "#wikia_AH" (remove quotation marks).

3) Party.

Smallpox 01:23, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Whoa.... ok, I joined, but I can't type anything. All it is is just a list of my actions (login, joining channel, etc.). More brownie points for you, smallpox, if you figure out what I've done wrong this time. BoredMatt 12:50, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

I had the same problem.

Eastward Expansion 13:49, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Can you show me a screenshot?--Smallpox 13:53, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Not really, but I see EE and some guy called Simcoe (that you?) in a box to the right of the screen, so I guess that means you are logged in. When I click on your names, it just takes me to a blank page. BoredMatt 14:05, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

And now the Simcoe guy justt typed a hello, but I cant respond or anything.

Yeah, Simcoe is me. Don't click our names, haha. You can take a screenshot with the print screen key, and then pasting it into paint.--Smallpox 14:08, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Found the text bar! EE, look at the very bottom oof the screen. BoredMatt 14:09, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Excuse Me
Hi, I'm trying to make an account and it asked for my birthday, will that be seen by other people?66.205.143.108 05:04, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

No. In fact, when you first start off, nothing will be shown on your user page. Arstarpool 05:26, July 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank You! 66.205.143.108 22:38, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Pics from Wikipedia
Is it possible to show Pictures from Wikipedia without uploading them to this wiki? If so, please tell me how GenghisKhan&#39;t 01:31, July 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * As far has I know Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons do not recomend direct links due to posible server overload. --JorgeGG 02:50, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Achievements
Check out this new feature wikia is offering: http://help.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Achievements

Is this something our wiki should have? Mitro 21:10, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

I only briefly read it but it looks pretty interesting. Arstarpool 03:24, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

It looks good to meVegas adict 08:49, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with that. Its got my vote. Red VS Blue 13:03, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

^Seconded. BoredMatt 13:37, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

No! Please don't do achievements! Pointless edits! I suppose though...

they could help the community...

maybe we could...

I vote for it!

Eastward Expansion 22:39, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

If no one has any objections with Achivements, I can contact wikia later tonight (British time) to get them activated. I'l take responsibly for them once thier set up as wellVegas adict 17:31, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * We need to customize them so they fit with our wiki. Essentially make them more alternate history like. Please share any ideas. Mitro 17:21, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm working on changing the basic badges to fit the wiki but i'm also creating badges for comunity projects like 1983DD, CYOAH, Map Games, Wasteland Europe and Advancement. If anyone has other ideas for badges please put them down hereVegas adict 17:29, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * We could have the "Gustav Adolf" award for bringing obsolete articles up to date (or deleting them); the "Time Traveler" award for editing x number of timelines; etc? BoredMatt 17:31, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * It should be posible to do that with obosolete articals but Timelines are causing me some problem as it doesn't recognise subcategories as part of their parent category and for example very few of the 1983DD articals link back to the main category. If they did then it would be easier.Vegas adict 18:46, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * What exactly are the point of these achievements anyhow? GOPZACK 22:23, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is there any possible way to opt out of these badges...and to at least discourage users from making pointless edits on articles just to rack up points on this thing?BrianD 22:32, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh I hope there is. I'm working on reverting some of Yanks useless ones right now. GOPZACK 22:32, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just finished removing the 1983:Doomsday category from a bunch that he added it to that were already part of a subcategory.Oerwinde 03:30, August 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * You can disable them for yourself under 'my preferences' > 'misc'. --Karsten vK (talk) 06:54, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Now I understand why there are so many articles sporting the 1983: Doomsday category. Vegas is there anyway to just add all of the subcategories to the badges as well? Mitro 20:35, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not as far as i can work out.Vegas adict 10:06, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Disabling Achivements Permanantly
Before i ask wiki staff to disable Achivements again i want to make sure the majority of the comunity are in favor of disabling them. So please sign below to show your aproval or disaproval. I will be acting on the results of this on Monday to allow all contributiors to make thier views clear and to settle into the achivements system.Vegas adict 10:06, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

I think we need more time with them before we decide. They were enabled what? Yesterday? Something like this is obviously going to have some hiccups at first, and I've found its actually pushed me to do some work on my timelines.Oerwinde 10:17, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Fair enougth, i'v set the deadline back to next monday which will be a week from when they were enabled.Vegas adict 10:21, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thats not a bad idea. We can keep the badges until then and take a poll on Monday to see where the rest of the community stands. Mitro 15:19, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Personally, I kind of like the pseudo "new start" they give us, but then again, I haven't contributed so much so it doesn't affect me as much.--Smallpox 16:43, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

An Idea
I am in the process of pitching an idea to the Main Wikia staff. It'll use our activity feed to post messages, similar to facebook.

For example, you would be looking at your watchlist and Venezuela could send a short message to Fedelede and it would appear in his and everyone else's activity feed. However, you can choose to send it privately if you wish. Who wants to help me with this crazy idea? Arstarpool 00:09, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Just to know why I'm on the example? VENEZUELA 00:11, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know I just thought of somebody random. So do you like it or not?Arstarpool 00:13, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

But I like sticking my nose in other people's business. ;_; --Smallpox 03:43, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Hahaha Smallpox....Yea that sounds like a good idea! ProfessorMcG 04:01, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

An Important Announcement For All Contributors to this Wiki
Ladies and gentleman I call your attention to, As you may have noticed the actions of one Arstarpool who holds the rank of Constable TSPTF are completely out of line. Over the past few months there have been countless incidents in which he has brazenly defied the rules of the 1983: Doomsday TL and has been extremely uncivil to many contributors making one leave this wiki all together while another is considering leaving as a result of his crap.

Its not just on the 1983: Doomsday timeline but in other areas as well. This is best evidenced on Mitro's "It Feels So Good... TO Be back!" blog, heres a few comments from regular users concerning Arstar's behavior,

"Arstarpool has been a dictator on this days, I wish the wiki would return to normal like the days i enter and created my Gran Bolivar article and Mitro was always good, not like Arstarpool who just come and insult your article"

"Astar has completely taken over while you've been gone and has been a little mean."

Its not just on this blog but in countless areas where he has flaunted power he does not have, insulted, denigrated and berated, users and their articles. Visit the 1983: Doomsday talk page for some infamous examples of this.

The bottom line is that Arstarpool cannot continue in his current role. For now me and Mitro believe he should be removed from his position as a constable in the hopes of bring his ego down a notch. Now if his insubordination continues then we'l take further action. If he has a change of heart we can look into restoring that role.

Now this is the first time this has ever happened on this wiki and lets hope it is the last. We look forward to hearing what the community thinks and what Arstarpool has to say in his defense. Regards --GOPZACK 01:47, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I mean, has Arstar been THAT mean? Because as long as I know, he hasn't. Fedelede 01:58, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

I don't really think he is that bad...he just needs to be humbled. After that I think he'll be o.k. ProfessorMcG 02:13, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Fedelede, I invite you to have a look on the 1983:Doomsday talk page and the articles along with his contributions list.GOPZACK 02:19, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

ProfessorMcG, The hope is that this will humble him, seeing as the power has gone to his head. GOPZACK 02:19, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly, this will most likely humble him enough so that he can take back the constable position some time in the future. ProfessorMcG 02:21, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Lets just drop the drama, can't we all get along?--Sunkist- 02:22, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

I want to make the following statement to everyone who has read this: I will make my following statement a very blank and neutral statement.

Zack is lying on much of what he is saying.

I did my research, and Mitro did not tell him or ask for me to be stripped of my status. I also have not said any rude statement to anybody within the past couple of days. Nobody has made any statement to Zack or any other member of the TSPTF in recent days. I invite anybody and everybody to perform an investigation on Zack's claims. If you find something incriminating from the past 72 hours and get a majority vote than I will take a punishment.

However, if you do not agree with Zack's claims and do not find any incrimininating evidence than I hope you will join me in requesting Zack to be stripped of his status as well as the immediate archiving of this falsified bull.

To be honest I think he is trying to gain face and/or I did something personal to him that he is not happy about. He exaggerates his relationships with the brass ad other fellow users and he is basing these claims on outdated claims.

Join me in finding the truth even if I am at fault.

Sic semper tyrannis! Arstarpool 03:06, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

@Arstarpool: I think that Zack's point was that this happened before the past 72 hours...a large part of it when Mitro was gone. ProfessorMcG 03:14, August 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Arstar, where did you get it in your head that being nice for a few days would absolve you of the charge of misusing your "authority." It is good that you have finally agreed to "get along" as Sunkist has said. I find it ironic that Sunkist was one of the first ones you were rude to, and you are now taking up his cause in something you ridiculed him for.


 * Anyway, the duties of constable never have given you the right to barge in on proposals to change things to your liking. A constable only deals with vandalism and grossly offensive articles. You are free to comment on articles, but not to "judge them." And so, since you have clearly overstepped your authority as a constable, even those "rights" should be taken away for now. Zack had patiently dealt with the California situation, but then you moved on to other places - like Pennsylvania (creating an impractical successor state) and Florida (creating a reunification page AND a new state to boot), to work your wonders in interference of orderly time lines. These were okay, in principle, but your attitude is showing as you write these articles. You need to step back and take in the whole picture. SouthWriter 04:18, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Arstar, a few things

First you do realize people communicate outside of this wiki right?

Secondly to say "I also have not said any rude statement to anybody within the past couple of days." is like a murderer saying in his defense "WEll I haven't killed anyone recently so therefore I am innocent". GOPZACK 03:16, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Killing..is not really a good comparison to saying rude things..--Sunkist- 03:20, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps but you get the gist of it, good behavior for the past few days does not excuse past offenses. GOPZACK 03:25, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Whoever's at fault here, no one here wants to participate in something that is going to be a royal pain in the rear. The timeline runs smoothly when everyone works together and collaborates like mature adults. No one wants to deal with a headache. No one wants to deal with editors who harass you with their demands to the point of giving in to whatever they want just so your valuable time isn't wasted any longer. No one wants to be spoken down to and told their work is garbage and worthless. No one wants to be insulted and told they probably picked names out of a hat instead of doing research. No one wants others to force their proposals on timelines the other person has not previously put work into. In a collaborative timeline, no one wants to deal with anyone else who says things to the effect of "this is the way it's going to be and I will not compromise, but instead YOU will compromise and go along with whatever I wish!" People will either avoid the editor or leave altogether. I've avoided the timeline for some time now because of behavior like this, both towards me and towards others. I don't have a problem with anyone specifically here, but the arrogance and condescending behavior needs to stop. Mitro, Louisiannan, Xi'Reney, Benkarnell and others who had been on the TL for sometime set a good tone and example for others to follow, and in my opinion we need to get back to that, and quickly. BrianD 03:24, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not a mature adult. Are you going to judge me because of that now? ProfessorMcG 04:41, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, Brian, many in this wiki are NOT "mature adults." This is a fact that we seem to be overlooking. To many of the editors, the "map games" are the rave. And the little I have seen of those, its role playing at its worst. The alternate histories are shaky and usually implausible. When that comes over into something like 1983DD, or even Arastar's own "Wasteland Europe," some of these younger editors are in role-play mode almost constantly. We need to stay diligent to keep order. And patient as well. --SouthWriter 04:18, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * The role-playing aspect can make it difficult to work with someone when he/she is role-playing and you are not. BrianD 14:38, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * The role-playing aspect can make it difficult to work with someone when he/she is role-playing and you are not. BrianD 14:38, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

@Arstarpool: Zack and Mitro have been in communication with the rest of the TSPTF and we have been discussing this over the last couple days. While I think Zack's language was a tad harsh, and I was one of those who championed your ascent to modhood, you have gone a bit far lately. You stepped up wonderfully after Mitro left, but after granted constable status you did seem to let it go to your head. At times you even sounded like Yank with his emotionally charged rants over what he can and can't do with his articles. I have noticed the last few days you have been more willing to cooperate and its a good sign. Keep that up and I think things will be fine around here.Oerwinde 08:23, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I did not use universal terms, Kevin. I distinctly said "many" and "some." I stand by my general statement concerning "map games" and role playing, though. Such genre have their place, but alternate history is not the place to be taking on the personalities of your characters. If you are able to write yourself into the story, and make it plausible, then that is great. Otherwise, this genre calls for research, not creativity and imagination. I am sorry if what I said seems prejudicial. I try hard to be fair in my assessment of the wiki as a whole. --SouthWriter 05:00, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry SouthWriter, I didn't mean to accuse you. I just meant it as a general statement. ProfessorMcG 12:39, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd like to point out that Zack did discuss with me due to the fact that there was no process for doing such a thing. Zack also did message the other members of the TSPTF about what he intended to do. It was decided that the best thing to do was leave this up to the community to decide. Now just to see where we all stand, please sign your name under one of the two sections on the bottom on whether or not you think Arstarpool should be removed as Constable. Mitro 15:16, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ugh, what a pain. You know, this wouldn't have happened in the first place if you guys had looked at your selections a little closer, I blame the "man"!--Smallpox 16:51, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Just one quick note, should Arstarpool show a genuine turn around in behavior then he can certainly return to the rank of Constable. --GOPZACK 18:44, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Zack, I had shown that genuine turn as Oer stated above for about the past week and was busy working with Sunkist on the Florida article and making the Malta article and then you come on a rampage out of nowhere and slap me with this. Also if you voted, and you were the one that started the discussion, than I think I have a right to vote below as well. Arstarpool 21:06, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Voting ends this Friday. So if there is any more statements to be made or votes to be cast, do it soon.  Mitro 19:23, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Suppport the removal of Arstarpool as Constable
SouthWriter 17:22, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

I think we should allow him to be reinstated later. But besides that I support the removal ProfessorMcG 18:26, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

GOPZACK 18:44, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Arstar should be reinstated at some point as long as he does what a constable is supposed to do and not take responsibilities upon himself that his position doesn't call for, and doesn't use his position to try to force other editors to go along with his proposals, nor harass, belittle nor insult others for any reason. BrianD 18:59, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

VENEZUELA 21:14, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Jazon Naparleon 21:38, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Lordganon 07:06, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

I think he should be allowed to be reinstated later.Vegas adict 07:39, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose the removal of Arstarpool as Constable
Smallpox 19:07, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

BoredMatt 20:52, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

-Sunkist- 19:25, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Arstarpool 20:48, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Fedelede 21:29, August 10, 2010 (UTC) Actually I request for the voting to end on Wednsday. There is a lot I haven't said and a lot of people who have not voted yet and to be honest I think Zack and Mitro saw they were winning and decided to close it ASAP. Besides that I will be out of town for a while. Arstarpool 02:20, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

I haven't seen Arstarpool do anything wrong, so I'm voting against Ownerzmcown 02:48, August 12, 2010 (UTC)