User talk:Mitro/Archive 2

Future map
Hi Mitro please see my map of the future in my User Page and comment what do you thing should be changed or added. Also might you see how I have improve the Venezuela 1983dd article? please answer me. VENEZUELA 21:45, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

California/Sierra Nevada Argument
Which of the nations do you think deserves to preserve it's border, the Californian Republic (Arstarpool named it that, not me) or the Sierra Nevada Union? I believe that California deserves to be preserved because, as you said on my Republic of Lincoln, the canon nation dosen't have to submit to the demands of a proposal. I think the order in which the articles become proposals is much less important than the order in which they are graduated.

Yankovic270 22:44, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Mitro, welcome back. In your absence I am afraid an ugly disagreement has taken place between me and the authors of the Californian Republic regarding my SNU article. Rather than take up space here explaining, please just read the discussion area on the main page. I am sure you can gather what I have been on the recieving end of from the authors, given what one wrote about me today on your blog earlier. The issue is in mediation awaiting a decision. However, I would like your imput on the subject as well as the nasty behavior by the writers. Thanks. --Fxgentleman 23:17, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I just learned Gopzack issued his decision on the mediation. My request for your imput pertains to what what Mr. Y is referencing in his comments above as well as the nasty behavior from both of the writers. I have to say their recent actions towards me goes against what I thought was the the decorum of the wiki. Thanks again.--Fxgentleman 23:40, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Welcome Back
Its good to have you back here again. While you were gone, well it was one helluva ride. I'd like to think that some of the other contributors and I held this ship together. We have had enough battles to last a life time. Hell your blog is just a small skirmish in the larger fights around these parts. I hope that your presence here will help deal with this crap. If you need any help I'll be glad to support your efforts. --GOPZACK 00:42, July 30, 2010 (UTC):


 * Thank you Mitro, I appreciate your confidence in my abilities. Its funny you mention a code of conduct I mentioned awhile back making a Bill of Rights so we could always combined the two. --GOPZACK 14:55, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand that you have much to do, there is no rush, whenever you have the time is fine. I look forward to getting them. --GOPZACK 15:13, July 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * I've started a page where proposed rules can be placed. i say we let the debate begin seeing as this cannot go on much longer. --GOPZACK 16:56, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Archiving
Hi Mitro! I've tried to contact the other members of the TSPTF, but none of them have answered me. How do you archive articles?

Eastward Expansion 13:56, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks so much!

Eastward Expansion 15:26, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Rollback
Hey Mitro, is there a way that I can leave a comment when I rollback an edit? I wanted to the other day but for some reason I couldn't leave a comment. Arstarpool 16:43, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

1962: First Strike
Hi Mitro the creator of this timeline have not improve his timeline since June 2009, might I adopt it? VENEZUELA 02:08, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

I already adopt it, ok? VENEZUELA 02:58, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Apology
I'm sorry that me and McG missused such a public sharing space, to talk about a timeline we were never going to make anyway. Yes, please do delete it. In the future we will only use talk pages. So will His Mitroness (that's what everyone else has been calling you, so I suppose I will too) forgive us?

Eastward Expansion 14:44, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Early world war one
Right, seems you have re-directed a few of my pages concerning my time-line in which the Russo-Japanese war expands into an early world war one. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you have changed the names of my pages due to the length of their title. I say this cause as it seems the most logical & I was thinking to myself they could do with shortening; but if this is case that the page title which is causing you to do this, then could you just be polite & ask me to change the title, rather than just doing this yourself. I trust you have checked the new title doesn't of "Early World War I" doesn't clash with anything as an early first world war happens in several articles. I hope you have as I like the simplicity of this new title. Anyway in summary, manners cost nothing, but thanks anyway.

Applogy accepted, also I just forgot to press the signature button before is all --VonGlusenburg 14:05, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for making that category page for me, I was wondering how to make one. Just wish you mentioned it when you did it cause I've been meaning to make one & then I noticed you made one, thanks for the help :) --VonGlusenburg 21:29, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Something I think your attention should be drawn to
Firstly Mitro, welcome back. Secondly, there is a certain althist that has me most confused on what is to be done with it; this timeline has several things wrong with it, and I am unsure of what your master plan is with regards to it, so if you could clarify, that would be awesome.

Lieutenant Fuhrer Grammar Nazi Jazon Naparleon 22:01, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

RED CZAR
Will you please check out the timeline which I have linked in the title? It is a clear violation of Wikia's "No Cross, No Crown' policy.

Khan of Questioning Eastward Expansion 15:12, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

TSPTF
Well Mitro, while I am flattered by your offer, and I would love to better the site as a whole rather than one miniscule section of it, I'm afraid I do not meet the requirment of being here for at least six months. Perhaps in November I will, otherwise, I'll stick to what I've been doing.

LTFGN Jazon Naparleon 23:22, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

The Neutrality of France
This TL has only been edited once. Do you mind if I adopt it?

Eastward Expansion 16:46, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

The author doesn't have a user page. And as far as I can tell, he doesn't have a talk page either. Could you help me track him down?

Eastward Expansion 17:14, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Delta Maximus just gave me permission to work on it...

Eastward Expansion 16:25, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!
On behalf of all the editors of Choose Your Own Alternate History!, myself, and my two associate-controllers, Azecreth and Jazon Naparleon, I would like to say that your kind words about CYOAH makes all the work put into it worth it!

Again, thank you, and welcome back to the AltHist Wikia!

Tbguy1992 23:15, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Republic of Spain
I haven't been up to speed with the developments here, so I was just curious as to the situation in Spain. Who will actually write the article on the country? Is Tristan going to continue his work on the newly created country? I ask because the former country pages and other articles do not show the change in government.--Vladivostok 16:45, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

I am the author of the Republic of Spain. I am putting the article up for adoption, since I do not have the time or resources to regularly contribute at the moment, but I want the adoptee to know that I will continue to work on the article occasionally. Arstarpool 16:47, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

TSPTF
I am aware that some of my previous behavior could have gotten me removed from the TSPTF. And I have also read that there is a spot open for 2 Lieutenants. I am not here to beg you for a spot, but I want to point something out to you on several things that happened such as my asencion to constable.

When you left the site, there was a time when 1983: Doomsday had essentially died. I don't want to brag but me and Zack helped revive it. When Zack briefly left for a small period I was left as the de facto "caretaker" for 1983: Doomsday, by graduating most of the articles, commenting on talk pages or discussions, etc. That was problably the peak of my "activity" on the site. In fact, I think I had made 1,000 edits in that one week! That was the same week as I recall that I was nominated by three other members for a spot in the TSPTF when I started the discussion on the main talk page of the site. This was around the time when I supposedly "took over the site" as a couple of members stated. According to Oer, Louis and Xi'Reney, and even you (rudely) stated I was not ready and such-other things. Then recently a lot of stuff came up and I donned my "bad attitude" that so many have critized me for.

To be honest, I really don't think that my "attitude" would pose a large threat if I held a seat of power here, but nevertheless I would feel uncomfortable with banning powers. I like cleaning up articles, such as removing future material and nominating some for deletion and such. I like to help out, but at the same time I don't want people to fear me if I were to have banning powers and they got into an argument with me or something. As I stated above I am not here to beg you for a spot but I am just wondering if I am eligable and/or your opinion.

Arstarpool 17:00, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

As I stated above I am not here to ask or beg you for a spot, but at the same time I was wondering on your opinion if I would be eligable or not.

Featured Page
There is one timeline on the featured page, Jimme Perez Venezeula or somthing like that that hasn't been edited in quite a while (I mean the featured page, not the actual timeline) and there aren't any supporters. It might be time to remove it to the archive...

Eastward Expansion 16:34, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

I have been nominated for TSPTF before, but I do not believe that I'm eligible as I have not yet been here for 6 six months. In two months time, though....

I would love to be a part of the maintanence of this wikia!

Eastward Expansion 16:00, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

no destiny
hi, how did you make the map for this timeline?

k got it and who made the maps (octiman10 19:21, August 9, 2010 (UTC))

k, well thanks anyways, but just curious do you know any good software or programs that make good Maps? (octiman10 19:27, August 9, 2010 (UTC))

k, thanks (octiman10 19:33, August 9, 2010 (UTC))

Sorry about that
I only realized that after I clicked save page. I felt pretty stupid about it. Thanks for the memo, though!

PS: has their been any nominations for Lieutenant yet? If not, I do have an idea, but I'm going to ask for his permission first. Tbguy1992 03:35, August 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Alright. I asked, but just have to wait for an answer.


 * BTW, I was wondering if you would want to check out my primary TL French Trafalgar, British Waterloo, and if you could give me some feedback? The TL is starting to hit a few snags, and I would like to get some ideas and suggestions from someone new. If you don't, that's OK, but if you do, could you please give some feedback? Thanks! Tbguy1992 04:46, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Flags
To further organize this wiki, I would like to ask to have permission to make a page with all of the worlds flags I can gather, past or present that may be used in Tl's, so that we don't get repeat uploads, what do you think? I'm aware that we already have a flags page, but it doesn't have the same content that I'm envisioning.--Smallpox 23:04, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Eh, I guess my flags page is kind of redundant then, should we just give each real-life nation a meta-page instead?--Smallpox 05:06, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Also, I noticed that some of your flags are .gif, is it okay if I fix that?--Smallpox 05:24, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Another thing, I think the pages About Alternate History and What is Althistory? should be merged, you wouldn't mind if I edited some of the other "Topics" pages would you?--Smallpox 18:59, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Estonia
Why did you turn Estonia into proposal if it was graduated long ago. VENEZUELA 21:38, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Mitro, might you please edit the Nordic Union page about the future enlargement? VENEZUELA 21:38, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Guyana War
Might I gratuate the Guyana War as a stub, i will work on it. VENEZUELA 02:51, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

And now? VENEZUELA 03:40, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Why did yo delete the Guayana Esequiba war from the War page. VENEZUELA 20:12, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Might you help me with the War article? VENEZUELA 20:41, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Owen
Yeah, I suspected as much, but perhaps I let the situation get a little ahead of me. I'll remember this for future. Fegaxeyl 16:43, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Thought you should know that Owen is at it again - He's taken it upon himself to make an article on the "Kingdom of Albion" that is supposed to eventually result from Cleveland and Northumbria. That's Smoggy's work, Owen is overstepping boundaries again.

Lordganon 19:52, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Our friend Owen has adopted the North Carolina gateway article. BrianD 15:45, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

He's now "adopted" the Atlantic Islands timeline. Problem is, he's the one that added the "open for adoption" banner.

Seems to have misinterpreted a statement that is was "Open to any suggestions for events or timing".

Lordganon 17:02, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

A Project
Since you helped write the history of the original US and the APA in the Pacific for 1983DD, could you help me with a page I proposed at the very bottom of the 1983DD Talk Page on the Atlantic/Carribean? I am having mega-trouble with finding a computer to work on since mine is broken but with the help of another person I can check on my works less often and when I do I wont be as stressed out. Arstarpool 01:34, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

making catagories
hi, how do you make catagories in stories? (ex. History, military, politics, etc.) (octiman10 02:17, August 23, 2010 (UTC))

Making Template
Hi, How do I do a template? VENEZUELA 02:24, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Please? VENEZUELA 17:34, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Well I want to create one like the 1983 one which said Wars, Idioms, Religion, bla, bla, bla, .... VENEZUELA 19:22, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Please? VENEZUELA 19:37, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Yes! VENEZUELA 19:41, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Mitro, what code? VENEZUELA 22:01, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Mitro how do I make it so that I can create a hyperlink to a certain article without having to label it differently? Like on doomsday they have a Hawaii link and they can just call it Hawaii. When I tried to create an Alaska page I hyperlinked a page with links to Alaska pages? How to I create hyperlinks to my pages. Do I have to label them with different titles or do I put a template when I create them.Chicagoan 15:29, October 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll answer this one, Mitro. It appears that you are confusing a hyperlink with a template, Chicagoan.  They both show up the same in the text, but the code behind them is different.  The template for an article uses double braces before and after "1983DD|article" and shows up as simply "article" in the text.  To form a hyperlink, you use double brackets and place the whole article "Article (1983: Doomsday)|chosen text" - which shows up as "chosen text" underlined as a link.  Here are examples:
 * A template  Code:
 * A hyperlink South Carolina  Code: South Carolina

Central News
Hi, Mitro I will not be in Caracas from Tuesday until September 4, so please might you add the Central News? most of them are from wikipedia. Please Answer me, VENEZUELA 19:07, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Balochistan
Thanks for fixing that up slightly and graduating it - makes a bit more sense now then the version I fashioned for Ven.

Lordganon 09:52, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Maine
Hey Mitro. Since you made Aroostook, could you help me with a relatively small community in the south of Maine I plan to make called ? If you do your research you will find that Popham was an old British colony, and since the county it is/was located in is very small and out of the way I could see it surviving. Anyways, if you will agree I would like you to help me fill it in and help me with some stuff regarding relations with Aroostook and things like that. Arstarpool 23:21, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Well, that changes a lot. Well anyways, I am making a page on the state of. If you can think of any small communities that can survive, feel free to write it in. Arstarpool 23:41, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Since you appear to want to fill the article in, do you think there could be any possible, small communities that could exist on the coast or interior? Please get back to me and/or write any on the Maine page. Arstarpool 00:00, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

FTBW
Hey, I know you have been busy lately, but I was still wondering if you could, in your spare time, take a look at French Trafalgar, British Waterloo? I would really like to get your feedback on my TL! Tbguy1992 04:11, August 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Alright, I will try to explain my reasoning, but you do bring up some things that maybe I didn't quite think through, so thanks for looking at it!


 * The British let go large parts of their army after 1806, without a major threat to their security, and to try to repair their finances. However, after the American's declared war, they sent a force of ex-Napoleonic Wars soldiers to Canada, with a sprinkling of Regular soldiers to put in with the mix. All together, they sent about 40,000, a lot less than what the regular army would have been if they needed to secure the borders in response to the French Threat. They were only able to rebuild their forces quickly by using veterans they released from the army, many of whom were unemployed at the time (about late 1812). Their navy was spread thin in the Napoleonic Wars, and the French managed to destroy a large fleet of RN ships, but didn't destroy the whole navy, and it would have been nearly impossible to bring the ships from the Mediterranean, the Baltic, Canada, etc, etc, together in time in order to repeal an invasion fleet, so that is when the British sued for peace.


 * You make a good point of Andrew Jackson. I don't completely understand the politicians of the early 1800's in the US, so I went with a name I knew. Would he have maybe been an officer in the army for the War of 1812, leaving Tennessee to join the army, then becoming a war hero, then later the Sec of War then President?


 * The Star-Spangled Banner would have still been used, but the lyrics would be different; more along the lines of standing up to aggression and oppression, and uniting together to fight a common foe, which would have rang a chord with the population after the war, and become popular at rally's, then later created the national anthem in the 1840's-50's.


 * They did create a sorta "Indian Confederacy" in the land they occupied, but later they moved northwards toward what would later be Assiniboia as illegal American immigration pushed them out, and Britain tried to hold back the immigration, but, due to the firepower and number of the immigrants, had to compromise. They would try their best to limit it, but the Oregon territory was soon overwhelmingly American, and they couldn't just kick them out, and their was just to few British army units to cover the entire border.


 * They didn't completely undermine their old policies, but didn't harp on their pro-British bend in the next election, and moved more to the center of the foreign policy equation, almost trying to remain neutral between Britain and France. Rufus King mostly turned the policies around in order to insure the next election in 1816, though he didn't really need to, but he may not have won because of his pro-British policies, which would be very unpopular after being humiliated by the UK.


 * Yeah, but their standing army was mostly just Militia's (right?): this was more like a model of the professional army the US would later become: all volunteer, highly trained, newest weapons, etc. etc. Yes, it would be expanded to over double its current size.


 * I think so, because Russia, after being defeated by Napoleon, would want to try to build up its industry and economy, and would look toward a western nation to help it. Prussia and Britain would be out, as they would only want Russia to provide men in any future war, while keeping their economy reliant on them. France would want a strong power to equalize the threat that Britain and Prussia would pose to them, as with Russia being strong enough to threaten Prussia and Britain in India and other colonial outposts in Asia, that would take of some pressure France would have to deal with, and Russia would welcome the foreign investment, even if that meant that the serf system would have to be dismantled and free-enterprise introduced.


 * It's known by both names, but the Anglo-American War would fall out of use after the Second Americas War.


 * France really doesn't care about Spain's colonial empire, but would have like it if Spain lost its source of power and wealth to threaten them. Britain would have tried to make inroads, but the nationalist movements in Latin America, without the French invasion to occupy the homeland, would be a longer, more devastating struggle, and bring the various nations closer together.


 * Same as above for the Caribbean Confederation: The longer struggle brought them closer together, but would have resulted in a loose confederation: each Island still has immense power, with Cuba being the most powerful. About the only things that link them as a nation is a flag, and army, a combined economy, and a common interest to make sure that European powers can't take over them.


 * Napoleon would have been a more benevolent leader than many would have considered: he knew that by helping the smaller nations, like Italy, Switzerland, Holland and the Confederation of the Rhine would help himself and France as a whole: their economy would buy French products, and their products could help strengthen France, while making them more dependent on France, and loyal to the Empire. The other nations of Europe just couldn't find the people who disagreed with France: their wouldn't be to many, and the ones who did wouldn't have had anything resembling power. But the Irish Sea Incident would be nearly enough to bring war, or at least closer to war, than any Foreign intervention in the Empire or its associates. They would try to destroy French power, but with loyal and moderately powerful allies, France couldn't easily be destroyed.


 * I hope this is understandable, and thank you for reading my TL! I hope these explanations make some sense! Tbguy1992 04:24, September 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Alright, I'm changing Andrew Jackson's involvement in the war, plus modifying the US army to be a draft based on "national need", aka, only during war time, while a militia based "American Guard" is always active, more like a semi-professional National Guard in OTL?. Does that sound reasonable for what the US could do?


 * What do you think I should do with the Caribbean? Should I just make them a bunch of colonial enclaves and impoverished dictatorships like OTL? I would have liked to try to do something different, and most likely, in the way the story was going to go, the entire thing would have been destroyed in all but name by the 1840's, while they keep the Confederation around as a strong front against any stronger American, European or Latin American threat. Does that sound reasonable?


 * As for Europe, Say their was some discontent, and some nationalism, but Napoleon found a way to harness their nationalism to help the Empire? Say that the French gave them their near independence, and by about 1840, under the new Napoleon, they would get their full freedom, and still be allied with France? I understand where you are coming from, but in this TL, without the Napoleonic Wars stretching ten years longer, then I think that Napoleon would be able to find a way control his puppet states better than having to also deal with defeating the rest of the Europe. This would mean that the Napoleon does not have to fight to crack down on opposition so harshly, and he can fund projects to strengthen his ties in the nations instead, and though their would be a wing that could not be satisfied unless France got out of their country altogether, the majority would not care, and though not enthralled about France having a hand, they would have a decent living, economy and security.


 * As for the next part: yes, the RN got tactically defeated by a rival French Navy that would be nearly the same strength. This war would basically show that older tactics and inexperienced officers (due to very rapid promotion) on both sides just could not defeat the other. The war at sea virtually ended in a draw, as Britain and France had other worries, Britain with Prussia and Colonial territory's, and France with threats closer to home, like Prussia. In the end, France paid some money, and they exchanged some islands. That's about what happened between them.


 * Yeah, I didn't mention much about slavery, but I just wasn't sure how to go about it. A slave rebellion thwarted, which would make the southern plantation owners angry at the Northern abolitionists who sent arms to them?


 * I had no idea what to do about India. I just picked some spots for the various nations to have, as I couldn't find a map that detailed what each country would have had in the early 1800's to go by. Once I do, then I can go ahead and fix that. Should I just divide the continent between the both of them by a treaty or something?


 * As for Washington, though still the father of the country, his views on staying out of foreign entanglements would be mostly popular until after the ATL Civil War, when the CS wins its independence, and the US is now surrounded by Britain, Canada and the CSA, locking them into a small part of the continent.


 * The Liberty party is basically OTL's Republican party, and after the 1890's, the OTL Democratic party. They just have different names. So, the Liberal Party is more Left wing, and the Democratic Party is right wing, and both will remain so, even though in OTL they sorta switched spots in the 1890's-early 1900's.


 * I will most likely switch the name from the CAR to Grand Colombia, as its an easier handle than the Central American Republic.


 * Anything else? Did I mostly explain my reasoning, or is their still some holes that need to be fixed? And thank you for reading my TL, even if I did have to pretty much beg you to do so. Tbguy1992 04:08, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

File Uploads
At about 12:40 pm EDT, I attempted to upload a file and found that the wiki has disabled that function. I had just uploaded a file just a little earler. What happened? And as an admin, can I undo this? SouthWriter 16:54, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Important
I need to talk to you privately regarding someone who is stating half-truths, and flat out non-truths about me... Arstarpool 02:23, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Superpowers Timeline
Hey Mitro, I noticed your analysis of Tbguy's FTBW timeline on his talk page and I'm impressed by both your honesty and skill at pointing out implausibilities, or just things that don't seem quite right. So if you ever have the time could you do the same for at least a small part of my timeline? I'll be the first to admit, its pretty long so I don't expect you to read too much of it. I'd appreciate this very much, as I've put a lot of work into it and am now in the process of retroactively changing some things in the story's continuity.

Thank you kindly, - John aka Red VS Blue 14:26, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Good to hear! And again, I appreciate this. Hope you enjoy my timeline =D Red VS Blue 14:32, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sandbox and Ideas
May I use your idea to have a user page with your sandbox and ideas? I mean, can I make an equivalent to this and this? Fedelede 21:40, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Questions
I have a couple questions for you.

1. Regarding Maine, do you think it would be plausible for any other form of organized society to exist in any other part of the state?

2. How do you make an archive?

3. Also how do you make a sandbox and ideas pages as well?

4. South Writer told me I am not allowed to sign up for Administrative Duties (No Cross, New Pages, etc.) because I am a "constable", which in his mind is the equivalent of a meter maid. I told him that I was only not allowed to do things that require deleting and banning, and that officially I am an administrator, but he restates time and time again that my only duty is to revert edits of vandals and trolls and should "stay out of the way" of the brass. So am I or am I not allowed to do Administrative Duties? Arstarpool 21:48, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Arstarpool
This user has constable rights but has acted in a number of ways since early summer that not only appear to serve his own purposes but make him difficult to work with at best. Very recently he has created a number of gateway articles for 1983:DD that should be open for all editors to use, but writes them as if he is setting editorial policy for the entire timeline. One example is Alabama, in which he huffs that "Brian and South(Writer) took it over pretty much on their own initiative...so I renounce having anything to do with it" The latest example is having the Celtic Alliance condemn a British survivor nation for heinous crimes, and writing an item on the wcrb news page...then pulling the item, and the section of the main talk page discussing the matter after leaving a message saying it was a joke. I am tired of this activity. This is extremely unprofessional and, if it remains unchecked, could cause significant problems later on, including good, quality editors leaving who don't want to deal with the nonsense. --BrianD 03:51, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Regarding the discussion, which should have taught Alex that we mean business in protecting the 1983DD (I am not currently following many of the other time lines on the wiki), I agree it should be archived. However, I think that a note should be left on the main talk page that directs the editors to the archive. This way, it is out of the way, but not completely out of sight. SouthWriter 17:34, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Communist world
Hey mitro, i need some help on my timeline and see how u made a similar alhist (USSA) I wonder if u give some advice

Turkey 1983
There's been a... fair measure of debate, over whether this is plausible as written, or not. And the creator won't listen to objections beyond a certain point, either.

Could you have a look at it and give your opinion?

Lordganon 14:30, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

PRMDS
A new user recently proposed some private militia in Turkey that is used to the LoN's "dirty work" and launches missions across the world. I don't want to bring the fist down on it but you can read it yourself and tell me if you agree if it is implausible or not. He just doesn't get the post Doomsday world and I don't know how to explain it to him as it would be paragraphs long. Arstarpool 19:11, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Interesting nuke stats
i've been looking round on the internet and found a page on the effects of the nuclear blastwind, with PSI's, wind speeds and effect on people and buildings. i was just wondering where to put this info on the Doomsday pages? any ideas?--Smoggy80 18:17, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

I've put in on the editorial guidelines page in the discussion section, hope thats ok, i've also added a link to a website that provides a mapping system for nuclear blast effects. Hope thats ok?--Smoggy80 18:43, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

obsolete banner
the reason i removed the banner is I am still working on Republic of Bury (1983: Doomsday) I can understand you warning me if it wasn't my article but it was surely its my decision if my articles obsolete or not --Owen1983 22:27, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

I have read the Editorial Guidelines (1983: Doomsday) and i understan about banners and I won't do it again--Owen1983 11:52, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Perez Jimenez's Venezuela
Hi, Mitro just to know why did you object against this timeline in the featured candidates. VENEZUELA 22:33, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

If you are receiving this message you are a member of the TSPTF. Owen, which is already causing ruckus, wants to be part of the TSPTF again ! He claimed that he did not vote for Smoggy so he could gain respect but then wrote on Louis' page what I am about to write below: "since I successfully nominated Smoggy, can I join the TSPTF now?" - Owen1983 He doesn't get it, this guy. I suggest you respond to him. He does not get how we function, he does not understand how to write alternate history, hell, he barely knows how to write English, and he is a grade-A spammer. Some people are already complaining again and hes only been back for about a week or so.

Please respond, Arstarpool

I noticed that he used my talk page to get on about non nuked ares, please tell me he's not trying to get Manchester unnuked (again)--Smoggy80 10:30, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

pax Monde
Thank you for categorizing it for me--Owen1983 13:58, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

FTBW
I completely understand. I haven't had mich Tim to update myself, just starting university. But thanks for letting me know! Tbguy1992 15:06, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

new adoption
I have adopted Liberal Ronald Reagan --Owen1983 17:53, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Re:ultimatum
I understand my behavior he led to me being banned on more then one occasion and each time i played the victim when it was my own stupid behavior which got me banned I have reached a cross roads and thus decided to try to obay the rules and understand the Editorial Guidelines --Owen1983 23:12, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Virginian Comics
Until there is a way to acess the talkpage of a canon article, the only way to do so is to add the InCreation template.

Yankovic270 20:44, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Would you like to add a hero and/or villain to the Virginian comics roster? Despite what is says on the template additions are very welcome.

Yankovic270 15:44, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Future History
Hey Mitro, I've noticed we are getting alot of new users who are making future histories or highly-exaggerated "current histories". In response to this, I've created a new responsibility for people on the TSPTF page: Future Histories. This will basically be people who will make sure there are no future histories in the mix. Tell me if this a good idea or not. Arstarpool 00:48, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

On another note, South suggested to me that I run by the current revision of North Pennsylvania before I go any further since you were one of the main objectors. I've really tried to remove all the objections and it looks like I have done it. So if you come across anything you are not happy with it or if has something to do with Erie or Norfolk County Ontario being part of the nation please delete or change it, an exception at the fact Wesleyville has been reinhabited regarding Erie.

Arstarpool 03:49, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Read more?
Hello there? I have noticed that there is this new template coming on pages which has similar articles. Do you known anything about this? --NuclearVacuum 18:54, September 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was going to say the same thing, but I didn't want to say something mean if it were something an admin here came up with. I have also taken a look around other wikias, and have not come across this anywhere else. I think it is only affecting AltHist wiki. --NuclearVacuum 19:02, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Category:Alien Space Bats
It seems that I and some others are the victim of your dissatisfaction with variations in science or at least with what you perceive as "science fiction." Articles dealing with big things that alter history - world floods or a shifting axis, are treated as highly irregular as alien beings or human science beyond our imagination (based on quantum theory). There needs to be a different category, but if not, please refrain from putting things in this category that don't meet the definition as stated in the terminology article.

Meanwhile, I'm removing the category from my "Sideways Earth" article (which I may move to a new wiki altogether anyway. The addition of "Alien Space Bats" as a category is a rather underhanded way of showing one's disagreement with a point of view, so I hope that this does not continue. --SouthWriter 20:37, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

FTBW Reply
Thanks for getting back to my TL! I really appreciate it, as it does help me figure out what doesn't work.


 * Anyway, the German's would support the Italian Republicans, because the Monarchists are still very much aligned with France, and mostly Germany wanted to try to isolate France as much as possible, even if that meant supporting the Republican's (who, I'll point out later, are of the 'restrictive' democracy, where only a certain amount of people will be able to vote, or, at least, have their votes counted).


 * The Liberal Party formed a coalition during the war mostly because Buchanan wanted it: most of his party was now part of the Confederacy, and if he didn't have the support of the Liberals (ATL's Republicans), then he wouldn't have been able to do anything. And, the Liberal party won the 1864 election by blaming the failures of the Congress planned campaigns on Buchanan's meddling, as he used his powers to try to make sure his military allies got the most troops and supplies, such as George McClellan, even though Congress tried to focus on the important battles, such as Richmond (which is not the CSA capital, but still an important town), Kentucky, etc. etc.


 * Alright, you make a point about Lee. I'm just not sure who else I can make the CS President... I'll look into it though.


 * I should have added that. I was thinking that a revolt similar to OTL's 1905 Revolution in Russia, where the government is forced to give the people more power, thought the Emperor is still very powerful.


 * The "non-aggression pact" I talk about between Russia and Turkey is going to be broken in the next war. No doubt about it. They both had conflicting problems in the Balkans and in Central Asia, and ultimately the tensions will snap.


 * Do you think that maybe the CSA would instead have private factories grow bigger and stronger? The various states would understand that the US to the north is stronger than the CSA, so maybe the state governments take the lead in encouraging industrialization in the South, which leads to several different standards throughout the nation?


 * Yes, the US going to war against the CSA in 1882 was supposed to be similar to the How Few Remain. But, the US does have some allies: mostly Assiniboia, Mexico and Alaska; against which they fought the CSA, Pacific Republic and Canada. Britain does get involved, but France will not, as they are still somewhat allied with the US. And the US-Assiniboia-Mexico-Alaska alliance still looses the war.

Like always, good to hear from you, and thanks for reading it! Tbguy1992 21:22, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Cleaned up a template
I hope you don't mind, but I have been wanting to do this for a while now. I cleaned Increation template, renamed it to Under construction, and combined it with the WIP. I hope you like it. --NuclearVacuum 20:24, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Obsolete
The author of the Hanna-Barbera (1983: Doomsday) Doomsday article made another one - California Institute of the Arts (1983: Doomsday) - with the same design.

I know it oversteps my boundaries somewhat, but I marked both as obsolete and said something to him about it, as no one else had done anything or said something to him.

Lordganon 06:23, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Naming issue
Is it possible that I could create an article that uses the same name as one of your articles that you deleted? (AxisMan)

Photoshop
Hi Mitro, in Althistory experts you appear as an expert in Photoshop so might you create me a photo being the same one of the American flag in the moon in 1969 but instead with a Japanese flag similar to the one of Finland Superpower. VENEZUELA 02:15, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Restoration
Hey Mitro, you deleted Chinese Fascism earlier this year at my request after I lost interest in it. However, today a co-worker sold me three books about the Second Sino-Japanese War and Chinese militaria in general, which gave me a couple of new ideas. Now I'd like to ask; can you restore the article to the last version before deletion? I lost most of the content (except for a couple of sentences on my memory stick) of the timeline when I updated my PC from Windows XP to Windows 7, so I'm not quite sure where I was going. Thanks in advance. --XterrorX 13:14, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

britannia forever
You got me. I can see that you've done your research; i'm impressed. Its people like you that should be running the country. Good work

Major problems
Mitro,

Do you know who I could ask about a major Wikia issue? My Monaco skin has completely malfunctioned and is being shown, completely sans any form of real formatting, in Times New Roman font. I'm aware that Wikia is withdrawing support for this skin, but I've got a feeling that what's happening here has nothing to do with that. I can't even change the skin - I can't access my preferences. If you don't mind, could you tell me who would be a good person to contact to get this sorted out? Thanks. Fegaxeyl 15:05, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

I already did that, but thank you anyway. At least I did the right thing! I've also been looking at various blogs (mostly the new skin-haters) and it appears that many people are having the same problem as me. Again, thanks. Fegaxeyl 15:22, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering if other folks were having problems. I pulled up Internet Explorer and the problem disappeared. I think it's a conspiracy with Microsoft! :-)

Hopefully the problem is just temporary - 'cause I really prefer Firefox. I'm own line with both browsers at the same time - I hope that doesn't cause any promblems at the wiki. If I do any editing today, though, I'll do it on the IE browser. SouthWriter 15:46, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Owen
That's it, this jerk has caused enough trouble. Besides claiming to be the caretaker of people's articles and vandalizing (what I call useless edits), he is an agitator. Please bring his actions up with the rest of the TSPTF because I'm sick and tired of this little spammer. Arstar [talk] 02:58, September 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Despite my disagreements with Arstar, I have to agree with him. Owen just doesn't get it, really. Lordganon 03:10, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Despite my rather prolific disagreements with Arstar I agree as well. Last time he was blocked for 24 hours I'll block him for three days & with each violation I'll up the block.
 * Also Arstar I know he can be a royal pain but please try be civil. --Zack 03:14, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Elsewhere I came up with the concept of Vandalopedia where 'all the people who enjoy doing such activities' can be sent to annoy each other - and where the 'vandalism' consists of bringing the articles up to Wiki standards. Jackiespeel 15:54, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

So I blocked Own for three days, Yank gave a pretty good explanation why I added a bit in then as you saw it went downhill from there. I saw you removed Arstar's & Yank's later comments just as I went to save an edit telling them they ought to stop. --Zack 03:03, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

My recent message is completely necessary. I admit that the message is a little harsh, but Owen seems to be incapable of understanding subtlety of any kind. If anything, I think he is getting off light. He has been wreaking his brand of havoc for years, and we have only just banned him for a paltry three days. The evidence has highlighted the necessity of a longer (if not a life-long) banning. I have tried to be patient with him, but my patience has reached its end. It seems to me that he has the opposite of the Midas touch. Every article he touches turns to absolute garbage. For example, I made the mistake of trusting him with the writing of my Republic of Iowa article, and the next thing I knew it was an obsolete piece of e-garbage. I had to wrench control of it away from him in order to get it back up to standards.

Yankovic270 03:13, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

I do apologize for my previous comments. They were tremendously rude, and I'm already regreting them. I've been off my medication for a while, and it doesn't help that it is about 10:30 where I am. If I remember correctly, Owen has been making his spam for months now, and the fact that he only got blocked now seems a little strange.

Yankovic270 03:27, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

So I chalk up my recent messages to a mix of stress, frustration, lack of medication and exhaustion. Not exactly a pleasant combination. I once again apologize for my actions.

Yankovic270 03:31, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

I reached my spilling point with Owen and I spilled. For now I'm going to keep my mouth shut around here for the next while or so. Arstar [talk] 03:32, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Short Wiki Break
I'll do what I can. Have a good weekend. --Zack 22:50, October 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll be around off and on, let me know if I can help. BrianD 23:16, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Doomsday idea
Hey, I had come up with an idea for Doomsday, but I just wanted to run it by you first: the discovery of the Titanic in either 2010 or 2011?

Here is my reasoning: the technology that found the Titanic OTL in 1985 (the ships, the camera's, the deep sea submarine) were built before 1983, and all but the submarine, the Alvin, were in Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute, in Massachusetts, on Doomsday. Now, Woods Hole is now part of Outer Lands, and though maybe the ships themselves were converted for other roles, it may still be possible to convert them back to exploration ships.

However, I don't think Outer Lands would just go for it: I think they would need some supporters, say Canada, the Celtic Alliance, Portugal, etc. would want to help find the sunken liner, maybe as a strengthening of the North Atlantic alliance?

This is merely as idea, and I've already asked Southwriter about it, but I just wanted to see what you think before I just go off and make it.

Thanks! Tbguy1992 03:36, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

I had thought that they would pool their resources and "experts" to show they have the technology to find something like the Titanic.

This is also partially because, if this TL does not find the Titanic now, they most likely never will, because in a few more years, the wreck will collapse, and in a few more decades after that their may not be anything for them to find, as the steel and wood is being eaten away at by undersea microbes.

As a possibility, maybe a vessel of one of the alliance members sank in the general area, and there is important cargo aboard (say some diplomatic dispatches or something), and finding the Titanic is cover for it? It would be similar to OTL, when the expedition originally was commissioned by the US Navy to look at the USS Scorpion first, and any remaining time was to be used to look for the Titanic. This is just an idea. Tbguy1992 04:05, October 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Mitro, just so you know I will put the Titanic idea on hold, but I would still like to explore the idea in the future if more people agree.


 * Anyway, I have been asked to create an article on Jon Stewart, as we have figured out he survived (going to collage at William and Mary in Virginia), which becomes part of Delmarva. However, since I don't want to contradict anything Canon, I have tried to get a hold of Fxgentleman, but he hasn't been on for a while, so I was wondering if their maybe someone else I can talk to get it going? I would really appreciate any help you can give me! Tbguy1992 18:25, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

Funnier History
Please don't delete, look at the real map game : (

Can you delte my orleanists timeline, as i've really fudged it up
Dear Mitro

Could you as a member of the TSPTF (am I right in thinking their the only ones who can delete pages), please delete my Orleanist timeline as I've severely messed it up. I can't really edit it properly either. I have a lot of good ideas for alternative histories, just need more practice. It would be much appreciated

Morbidteaparty 16:24, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

1962 Map Game
Hi Mitro might yoy return what I did to my map game, because I deleted that because Germany annexed all Europe and that is implausible. VENEZUELA 20:34, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your edit
I have been having trouble with this wikia crashing so i turned rich text of and I tried to insert info into the article i tried two times to and it wouldn't save no its OK --Owen1983 17:27, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

Thankyou mitro
I wont do it again--Owen1983 18:26, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Won't do what again? What the hell are you talking about?  Mitro 18:32, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

Owen again!
I dont know if you're aware Owen set up Provisional UK from what he's saying on the map it looks like he's trying a land grab from the Celtic Alliance in Southern Britain--Smoggy80 16:01, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

I've tried reasoning with him about the land grab, and failed. he's now going against Doomsday Canon AGAIN could you have a strong word with him?--Smoggy80 16:48, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

I've started a vote for TSPTF for members of what to do with Owen, hopefully if he sees the vote and how many are not happy with him he'll understand why he's been barred. hope thats ok?--Smoggy80 18:25, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

questions
Hey I have some questions about alternative history in general. Is it like writing your own history or is it editing original history's timeline? Plus I saw some maps that people have made with custom empires with unique borders. Where can I get something that can make that? Any help on these subjects will be much appreciated. Thanks!

Possible puppet
Hey. Is it possible to check the IPs of users? Because we just had a new user creation - 'Commander data' - and his first comment on his talk page supports Owen - in exactly the same language that Owen himself would use. Okay, perhaps the spelling is slightly better. But still, you might want to check this guy out. Fegaxeyl 20:36, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

Add Chip1990 to that list. First Owen tells us his real name, then he uses it as this Chip1990's signature name! He might as well commit robbery then smile at the CCTV camera. Fegaxeyl 10:22, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

And it was his account adding that to his use-page too.

Fyi - he is claiming: "Mitro: this bureaucrat has started a vendetta against me and he blocked me becuse he disagreed with one of my articles" now.

Lordganon 11:36, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Expanding Aroostook
Two questions, would you mind if I wrote about the culture and economy of Aroostook, and would Aroostook be interested in joining the United Communities? Arstar 23:15, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Whatever. Thanks anyways. Arstar 04:05, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Response to first answer: So, technically you change a detail (small or big) and then write about what happens afterward? Or does it have to be realistic like in map games?

Response to second answer: I tried messaging them but I get no replies. Are there any links or websites you can recommend?

Northern Townships
Mitro, do you have any thoughts regarding the northern townships' relationship to Aroostook, and whether they would be more likely to stay independent, or join either Vermont or Aroostook? Arstar was asking me about them in relation to the UC, and I realized that the townships is something I've overlooked for some time. Time for me to update the article... BrianD 22:33, October 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Those were my thoughts as well. In fact I've considered having them eventually become the "Northern Townships of New England" or something like that. BrianD 15:10, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've changed the official name of the nation to Northern Townships of New England. I've written into the article discussion of changes instituting a federal-type government on the nation versus the glorified New England town council government it is currently ruled under. --BrianD 20:06, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

TSPTF nominees
Last week Lordganon was nominated as a constable and I was nominated as a lieutenant. I realize that we're all busy, and the Owen saga has captured people's attention as well. Is there anything that could be done to remind everyone of the nominations so Lordganon and I aren't left hanging?BrianD 20:06, October 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks.BrianD 23:51, October 15, 2010 (UTC)