Talk:States of America 5 (Map Game)

Map
This is my best guess. As for the territories, depends on how bad the war was and how bad the government is failing.

In this timeline, since Lincoln dies of pneumonia, that means he would be suceeded by Hannibal Hamlin, who was very radical and whose leadership may have meant the war dragging on longer. Again, depends when Lincoln dies.



Nations other than the former United States?
Can we play as nations other than in the former United States? I'm asking because it says Qeubec, so I just want to be sure. Monster Pumpkin 22:09, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I think that Canada would stay intact, but the Québécois Separatist Movement might work in this world, since after all they might want to join one of the new state unions. I dunno, just make Quebec separate. MattiasWestby 01:09, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

I think the New England states should be a seperate nation, especially since Octiman10 signed up as "Northeastern Union." Where do you think that would be? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:21, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

If you want, i can switch it from north east to new england. octiman10 01:23, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

I think New England is currently in the Great Lakes Union. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:31, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Country Names
Can we change the names of our countries? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:31, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Absolutely, but choose good names. MattiasWestby 16:00, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. And just for Octiman's sake, I'll give up the New England states so he can play. I think I'll cede some other ones too to make room for more players. :) Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:55, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

thanks dude, octiman10 01:15, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Communism?
Wait a minute. Why would Virginia be communist? And if the CSA just formed, why would the Carolinas and Virginia secede? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:00, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

They didn't seceed. The CSA and USA fell apart. Now, all that is left of the CSA is Florida, and most of it's territories are narrowly held together by a failing Union. So the CSA is not doing well, but things are going better than in the former USA. Also, I don't know why i made Virginia communist, it just is. MattiasWestby 19:45, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

The Central States
Just wondering about the states in the middle - maye they could be some sort of "Lesser America" that is more or less a smaller, more intact version of the former USA? SPQR 17:44, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

A Suggestion
I have a suggestion for conquest, I think there should wait for at least 5 years and keep it somewhat real. Meaning no controlling of majority of states in 5 years.. Thoughts?? Kdavis005 00:54, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

{C}Here's a suggestion for the map:



Dark Blue: Republic of New York

Red: Confederate States of America

Yellow-Green: Carolina Union

Purple: New England Republic

Orange: American Republic of Virginia

Blue-Gray: Republic of Michigan or Northern Union

Yellow: Pacific Republic or Cascadia

Dark Green: California Republic

Bright Blue: Central Union, Illinois Republic, Central Eastern Republic, or Southern Union of the Great Lakes

Light Blue: Pennsylvania Republic

Indigo: North American Union, North American Federation, Federal Republic of North America

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:59, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

I've found it's easier to think of POD's before the map because now, although you have the map, it may be ASB because you have to explain why things happened the way they did. Such as - why are virginia and kentucky a country, and why didn't virgina seek to reclaim west virginia first. Why did the union break up? Why did it break up the way it did? Plus, with the POD for the game, nothing west of Iowa, Minnesota, and Missouri is a state, save for Texas, California, and Oregon. Washington isn't organized, and neither are the Dakotas, Nebraska, and Kansas. Maybe instead of preseting the countries, we should just start the game and have people suceed from there. When they suceed, they have to give a good explanation for the sucession, not just, for example 'The New England States suceed' or 'The New England States didn't like the way they were being treated'. They have to be good explanation backed up by reasonable facts. CourageousLife 19:40, April 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, Washington OTL was split from Oregon Territory, so I think Oregon would reclaim it. And Nevade eventually became a state during the Civil War. And Kansas became a state before the Civil War. And Nebraska was on the verge of statehood. Why are Virginia and Kentucky a country? I don't know, Matt made the game and the countries. [[Image:IMPERIAL NY-SPQR 1.png|25px]][[Image:Regen Flag.png|30px|border]] Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:52, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

What happened to the Sioux tribes? Monster Pumpkin 19:54, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

See, I think that we should start off like this -



What bout Arizona????? PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 21:37, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't sure whether to split that territory or not. I can split it if you want CourageousLife 21:40, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Just wondering, could Texas be independent? And maybe some of the southern yellow states too, since the CSA would probably hold together better. Actually, wouldn't all the southern states still be part of the CSA? Maybe they could still be narrowly connected. I dunno. Love the map. Don't forget about Mexico - I think that maybe the CSA might try to invade Mexico to gain better ground against the Yankees.The conflict could have left them with some CSA territory, separate states, the failing remnants of Santa Anna's Mexico down there. Worth checking out, at least. SPQR 02:59, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

The Southern Yellow places are territories, just like the rest of the yellow places. Mexico would invade and rightfully conquer the New Mexico Territory and Utah and Colorado. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:49, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Please add Alaska CrimsonAssassin 18:26, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Alaska was Russian until America bought it in 1867. (For the record, I don't think Russia will sell it to any of the broken up states unless they're really, really, strong and really, really, rich!) Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:29, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Always used to think Alaska was part of Canada - came as a surprise to find out it was Russian territory! Just when you think you know history... Anyway, about Mexico retaking those far southern states. Wouldn't that spark a war? How about sometime during the game, the dying Civil war turns into a three way conflict between the former USA, the remains of the CSA and Mexico? If that's the case, I veto we make Mexico a playable nation. SPQR 19:36, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, here's an idea - Mexico, Canada, and the remains of the USA are all under joint mod control (to avoid implausibility and to keep one person from becoming too powerful). To start the game, the player claims the state and can decide what they want to do. Again, if they want to suceed, they have to give a probable reason why. CourageousLife 21:34, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Here is the map with the alterations that Wegscuba suggested 



Old Claims
Y'all, we're about to change the way this thing works, which may mean that this sign-up will be null and void.
 * Confederate States of America -TacoCopper 22:06, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Federal Republic of Arizona - Flag_of_South_Korea.png PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 00:26, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * The Union of the Great Lakes - [[Image:IMPERIAL NY-SPQR 1.png|25px]][[Image:Regen Flag.png|30px|border]] Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:01, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * The Communist Republic of Virginia - Gemralts 21:57, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * The Territories and Republic of Quebec - Kdavis005 22:57, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * The United Republic of Washington - Enclavehunter 22:27, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * The Carolina Union - CourageousLife 19:58, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * The Republic of New England- Octiman10
 * United Sioux Chiefdoms - Monster Pumpkin 19:28, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alaskan Federation- CrimsonAssassin 20:32, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * State of Florida- Bobalugee1940 20:54, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

If this list is null and void, what is the point of keeping it?TacoCopper

Just figured i would archive it just in case someone else wanted it for some reason CourageousLife 23:46, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Main Page Discussion
Just moved this from the main page cause it looked cluttered

The map
Who wants to be the mapmaker? MattiasWestby 17:36, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

I shall be the mapmaker. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 20:03, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

You might need another map. Btw, is it just me or is the upper peninsula of michagin missing? CourageousLife 22:01, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Fine, all yours PitaKang. By the way, I'm changing my title from MattiasWestby to SPQR. Do you like it.SPQR 02:15, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

No, the Great Lakes are counted as land on that map. I made a new proposal map on the talk page, if everyone accepts. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:01, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

We'll take it. Re-post it on the main page. SPQR 19:31, April 12, 2012 (UTC) (it's me, MattiasWestby. New signature. Cool, huh?)

Umm, SPQR, who are you talking to and what about? CourageousLife 22:43, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

I'm saying that I am MattiasWestby, but I changed my signature to SPQR. Just to quell confusion. SPQR 23:20, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

I like the map on the talk page, except. the CSA should have confederate arizona, indian territory, and Misouri (perhaps kentucky as well. just as an idea, a way to start it out could be to have kentucky seceede from the CSA, and have other states follow suit)Wegscuba 23:51, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

That would be up to tacocopper to have kentucky suceed. I think confederate arizona would be good, and maybe we can have north and south missouri, kind of like virginia and west virginia - south is confederate, north is union CourageousLife 00:25, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

that sounds good. i forgot to check and see if kentucky had a player, so, never mind on that note. Wegscuba 01:46, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Military
Sorry, but a 7% military is totally unrealistic. Even Prussia, which had MASSIVE conscription before WWI. So I'd say maximum 4% (with massive toll to economy) and minimum 1-1.5%. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 21:45, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, my bad. Not exactly my forte. BTW did u see SPQR's nation thing? CourageousLife 21:47, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Are we going to start?
Its is April 20th now it said it would start on the 19th, I'm not a mod so I cant start this. Bobalugee1940 12:47, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Essentially what he said... GunsnadGlory 18:23, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Source Mode
I would like to request EVERYONE to edit in source mode, as if you do it in visual, random crap appears, like

, which is code for bullet point, etc. Trust me, it's visual that's the problem, not source. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 15:45, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

A: When people edit in source mode, half of the peoplel don't even know what they're doing. Trust me on this one, I've had experience with people with this kind of problem.Er, yes, I know that * is bulletpoint. I use that...</li></li></li></li></li></li></li></li></li> </li>
 * And you're wrong, that's not code for bullet point. The correct code is *, which does not appear as "random crap," rather is appears like the one I'm using.
 * I don't know why you put " and ," that turns almost everything to crap. You ought to try visual once. It works perfectly fine if you actually know how to use it.
 * I don't know why you use letters, that just ruins everything. Here is a list of correct coding:
 * * equals bullet point
 *  for bold 
 *  for italics 
 * Pita, all that you have said incorrect. The truth is, rather, that when you put the source you used, it becomes crap when you publish it. If you really want to use source mode, use the coding that works, not " and " because that becomes the problem when you turn it to visual.

is html for bullet point. Trust me on that. What I mean is when you do it in visual, the wiki puts in random bullcrap and coding. Really, it is in source mode. I don't use letters, see, look up, your post put </li> in after your words. It is because in visual mode, when you edit, all the coding from the first post you pressed enter off of to create a new bullet point carries on, and can only be removed via source mode. Also, I use Monobook skin, which is much better than the new Wikia bullshit. So I can't do visual mode, even if I wanted to. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 20:38, April 26, 2012 (UTC)</li></li></li></li></li></li></li></li></li></li>

And see? I posted this in visual mode.. notice the </li></li></li></li></li></li></li></li>

 after my post...</li></li></li>

Joining
So, I'd like to join as Mexico. The collapse of the USA would definitely have effects there, and I'd like to show it. It would be more like the Mexicans would invade Southern America but the other guys would boot them out. Mexico wouldn't fall apart. List of playable nations left:

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:22, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Not Mexico, that is under mod control, but you're welcome to choose any of the other nations. CourageousLife 20:30, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Alaska
Hey, I was wondering if I could join as Alaska (stay Russian and then revolt in the late 19th century). CrimsonAssassin 22:56, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

No, we have the Ultimate Plans for Alaska. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:02, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Your plans might be similar to mine. CrimsonAssassin 23:08, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

The Plans involve one of us being very Strong and then Buying or Stealing Alaska from Russia according to the Ultimate Plans. 23:10, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

This isn't on the mod page. CrimsonAssassin 00:08, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Actually we decided that in one of the turns and then deleted that. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:12, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Conference For North Americas Borders
We shall begin to decide who gets what land here. DeanSims 23:26, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

California is willing to listen (Didn't respond on the game page, because of an edit conflict). Enclavehunter 23:29, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

FSA is willing to listen..

Florida is willing to listen. Bobalugee1940 23:42, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

The RNE is willing to listen octiman10 23:57, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Massachusetts is in... Guns

Great Plains Republic is willing to listen.

</li>
 * Now, this is source mode. See? And look up... Look at the bullet points, and the  that follow... Flag_of_South_Korea.png PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 20:44, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * I am going to electrocute whoever is editing in source mode... CrimsonAssassin 02:54, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Great Plains Republic
 * Deseret
 * Republic of Louisiana
 * North Carolina
 * Union of Alabama and Mississippi
 * Georgia

Kentucky is ready to listen (we should propose somthing instead of just listening)TacoCopper </li></li></li></li></li></li>

Thats good, first we need to agree to help eachother acomplish our wished for borders. , but fornow, let the Conference begin! Nations Attending Alright, we should decide the borders east of the Mississsippii River first,a s few nations have bee formed west of theat River. DeanSims 16:42, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

what nations claim what land, note that we cant all be prefectly happy. DeanSims 19:00, May 2, 2012 (UTC) </li></li></li></li> </li>

</li>
 * CSD
 * Florida
 * FSA
 * California
 * RNE
 * Massachusetts
 * Kentucky
 * United States
 * Pacific Republic
 * Carolina
 * Michigan
 * GPR

 The CSD prposes the following borders: </li></li></li></li></li></li>

United States: The United States wants Delaware, as we have already invaded the area. </li></li></li></li></li></li>

ok Kentucky likes the proposed map </li></li></li></li></li></li>

good. Notice that the CSD take little compared to other nations </li></li></li></li></li></li>

Y'all, there are some areas on this map that have active governments. You can't just cut them up. Plus, you are taking french territory. Courageous </li></li></li></li></li></li>

those who like the map sign an allaince that makes North America this way, then wen done, it is dissolved. </li></li></li></li></li></li>

<li>Pacific Republic: Why am I California's? CrimsonAssassin 20:33, May 2, 2012 (UTC) </li></li></li></li></li></li>

<li>ok, i will fix it here: </li></li></li></li></li></li>

<li>Thank you, good sir CrimsonAssassin 20:48, May 2, 2012 (UTC) </li></li></li></li></li></li>

<li> '''You guys - this map will not work. As mod, i will not allow it. Eastern canada is frances, western canada is britains (as far as I know), west montana is the pacific republics, utah is independent, nevada is independent, and the NFR still controls it's territory, and alaska is russian, just to name a few. Stop trying to divide it up and just do it the old fasioned way - conquest. besides, even if you vote to make it this way, it's not just going to magically make itself that way'''. CourageousLife 20:45, May 2, 2012 (UTC) </li></li></li></li></li></li>

<li>I agree with this guy ^ CrimsonAssassin 20:48, May 2, 2012 (UTC) </li></li></li></li></li></li>

<li>Thank you crimson. </li></li></li></li></li></li>

<li>Carolina: I posted a map on the game page of a possible way to splin NC and Tenesse, because Virginia and Kentucky were also there. It doesn't make sense for Kentucky to have land in Minnesoda and Iowa. tjose states wouldn't just split like that-they would join a nation all or nothing. </li></li></li></li></li></li>

<li>In addition, Massachusetts really gets the shaft here so... ~Guns </li></li></li></li></li></li>

<li>Michigan-What about us, we would be annexed? </li></li></li></li></li></li>

<li>RNE- We should keep all that we had previously, but would like a tiny strip of land in Mass, to connect the two parts of the country, and maybe more land in Canda, but not necessarily as drastic as the map.</li> </li></li></li></li></li></li>

<li>I think we should keep within the old US border (accept for the nations that took land from the Brits in Canada). Kdavis005 23:04, May 2, 2012 (UTC) </li></li></li></li></li></li>

<li>Well about that shred of land Mass and its territory are already divided enough so though i see your point, the free travel policy allows you to move troops too...</li></li> This map is a complete fail. It goes against half of the stuff we've done in gameplay. I hearby disband this "meeting" using mod powers. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:51, May 3, 2012 (UTC) </li></li> I agree. As the only other active mod, y'all are outgunned. CourageousLife 22:59, May 3, 2012 (UTC) </li>

Arkansas
I've joined the game as Arkansas, but I'm quite frankly confused about the stability system. Can someone look it over to see if I filled it out right?

Yank 02:31, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Proofreader
If you allow me, I would like to take the position of the official proofreader of this map game.

Yank 17:55, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Do you mean coding? I'm fixing spelling and grammar. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:43, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Yes. I was just so frustrated that the posts were formatted so sloppily. I'm glad that people are taking better care with their posts now.

Yank 21:21, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

Northern Federal Republic
I recently joined this game and decided that the NFR had the most stable borders and one of the largest areas of land not yet claimed. However do we still controll all territory we did in the beginning? (Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Dakotas, East Montana)

Yes. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:44, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Location
Mexico: +3

Florida: +5

Tactical Advantage
Mexico: +1 (Attacker)

Florida: +3 (Knowledge of Landscape) (No Casus Belli)

Strength
Mexico: +7 (Over 1,000,000 I believe)

Florida: +6 (140,422)

Motive
Mexico: Political +5

Florida: Life or Death +10

Goverment Popularity
Mexico: Liked +1

Florida: Liked +1

Amphibious Invason:
Mexico +2

Florida: -2

Chance
Mexico: +8

Florida: +7

(Redone)

Total

Mexico: +27

Florida: +30

=== RESULT === After review and editing, the Mexican assault on Florida is repeled. Florida remains independent.

Northern Federal Republic
May I take Northern Federal Republic? IlMaestro001 19:26, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry friend, its already mine -Nrodby

As long as no one else has signed up for it. CourageousLife 20:58, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

Turns
I think we should make the turns to half a year instead of three months. Since it is three months, everybody does stuff in a ridiculus amount of time.TacoCopper

I have actually been thinking along those lines also. I'll see what scraw thinks, and probably bring it to a vote for everyone. Sound good? CourageousLife 23:34, May 8, 2012 (UTC)