Talk:Blue Ridge (1983: Doomsday)

It is a well known rule that canonized nations do not bow to barely formed proposasls. I learned such with the dispute between Lincoln and the NAU. I will not drop my claim to Virginian North Carolina. In fact I bet that Virginia would have secured control of their claim as soon as possible. --Yankovic270 02:22, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * As Ben said this isn't a RPG, so "you" don't claim North Carolina, Virginia does. If Virginia just claims it, it doesn't stop other from claiming it as well.  Mitro 02:50, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

I plan on having a state of North Carolina in Virginia. Which means it is more than a claim. It is fully controlled and represented Virginian territory. --Yankovic270 02:57, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no plausible way Virginia could have expanded that quickly into NC. Mitro 03:12, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

I then plan on making it a territory to be admitted into Virginia at a later time. --Yankovic270 03:16, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Yank, for the benefit of the entire community here, it might be helpful for you to lay all your cards on the table: how far do you want to go with this Virginia thing? Ben's right: this isn't an RPG, where you have to hide your real intentions from the other players. Most people here seem to be trying to build realistic scenarios for a post WW III world. It's a little aggravating, though, to come up with a scenario and have to consider if another creator will impromptly declare his country the sovereign ruler of ________ by diplomacy or by force. It's one thing for creators to discuss the potential for a militaristic country to take over others by force; it's another for someone to create a country, then wake up the next morning and read that it's been taken over by the Rebel Yell Republic. There needs to be respect for others' work as well as for your own.--BrianD 03:19, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Very well. I will make Virginia drop any claim to th former state of North Carolina. If the person writing this will allow it, I will send a task force to help them reclaim the state (like Tennessee), on the condition that they join the Dixie Accord. --Yankovic270 03:28, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

And when I planned the Virginian state/territory of North Carolina the area seemed to be a patchwork of squabbling warlords. I did not know anyone wanted to create a nation here. And are Blue Ridge and Tennessee going to merge? --Yankovic270 03:34, November 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yank, as far as the dispute between Blue Ridge/LoN and Virginia over the N.C. counties goes, this has happened before between countries. I'm not personally responding to you, I took your map as an opportunity to show how a community in the actual area is disputing claims made by another country (Virginia) it barely knows anything about. You can claim North Carolina, you can claim for that matter the entire south; just understand that you shouldn't be surprised to be challenged on that, just as Virginia would be if this timeline were real. As far as Blue Ridge/Tennessee merger, I don't know. I will say that it's unrealistic to suggest that any such official merger would happen lightning quick. It's not like they're on a timetable.--BrianD 03:41, November 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * "I will send a task force..." This is still role-playing game talk. We're not playing a game.  We're not competing.  We're not negotiating in our countries' characters.  We're not trying to see what the best deal is that we can secure for our countries.   (All right, there was a little exchange between Tristan and Louisiannan once, where they reproduced the documents of the Iberian and Andorran diplomats.  But that was more like improvised acting than actual competitive role playing.)  There are places on the Internet where you do the sorts of things you're trying to do with Virginia: create a country, then engage in war and diplomacy with other players and their created countries.  ImagiNations is the big one, but AlternateHistory.com has a forum for that sort of thing as well.  But that's not what this is. When all is said and done, all we're doing is creating a timeline, and through that craft an interesting setting and plot for what is hopefully a good story.  Benkarnell 03:46, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * "But that's not what this is. When all is said and done, all we're doing is creating a timeline, and through that craft an interesting setting and plot for what is hopefully a good story." Well said, Ben. That is what is appealing to me in regards to this timeline.--BrianD 03:54, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

I was attempting to imagine how President-General Rockefeller would react to the Blue Ridge survivors. I apologize if my wording offended any of you. --Yankovic270 04:00, November 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not offended, I'm just worried that you're after something different from the rest of us. Benkarnell 04:03, November 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not offended either, Yank, but perhaps we were confused by your first-person references in regards to Virginia. When I have countries/regions I created respond to Virginia, it's not me to you, it's Blue Ridge to Virginia. When I had West Texas go isolationistic in response to Mexico, I wasn't reacting to Guinnesscap or trying to pass along some kind of message to him, I was trying to tell a story. That's what I'm doing in regards to Texas, Vermont, the southern US, FIFA, etc. When I (Brian) read you (Yank) on the talk pages talk about how you're expanding your territory, and hoping the Portlanders join you, but you hope they don't because you're itching for a fight...I have no issue with you, but when you write something that affects a project I've created and/or am working on, I'm almost forced to respond, and I try to do so within what I understand to be the parameters of this timeline. Perhaps it would be most helpful to establish how much degree of role-playing is acceptable here, or if it's acceptable at all. --BrianD 04:14, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

I have made it very clear that Virginia is an expansionist nation. They are out for territory. And Virginia also wants a seat in the LoN, so they treat these smaller nations nice to look good, and get allies for their new alliance. And I can explain those first-person refrences to Virginia. I was writing as the President-General. Again, I am sorry for any confusion I caused. --Yankovic270 04:19, November 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * I understand that, Yank. By establishing Virginia as being expansionistic though, you've all but guaranteed to put yourself in a position where, sooner or later, you're going to have to work with other editors here when crafting your scenarios.--BrianD 04:32, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * If Virginia is going to be expansionist, it still has to be plausible. They aren't launching a blitzkrieg across lands with well built roads.  Any expansion will be slow and methodical.  Much of the area they are moving across hasn't seen any organized government over the extremely local level.  No one is maintaining or building roads.  Virginia needs time to digest its territory.  It will be a few decades IMO until Virginia is able to double the size of what it was when we originally graduated the article.  Mitro 15:04, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

What if Virginia is just in North Carolina to aid with the reconstruction of the State? If so, then Virginia will sign control of Virginian North Carolina over to Blue Ridge when the area recovers. --Yankovic270 20:06, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Is that a better idea? --Yankovic270 00:03, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yank, Blue Ridge may be very interested in talking with Virginia, if nothing else to get acquainted with it. I'm uncertain right now as to the long-term future of Blue Ridge - it could try to reconstitute North Carolina, and it could as easily decide to keep its claimed territory and cede the rest of N.C. to Virginia or whomever else wants it. I think Blue Ridge, for now, is good with finding out what the heck's happened to the rest of the globe in the past 26 years, and getting to know its newly discovered neighbors near (Virginia, Ky., Portland) and far (Mexico, anyone else in the former US).--BrianD 00:13, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Gentlemen, I am contemplating the fate of South Carolina, especially the Piedmont area (aka Upstate). I see that Blue Ridge has been established, and a proposal shows that Athens' attempt at being the provisional capital of whatever is left of Georgia failed. Toccoa (sp.) apparently survives.

According to the map of targets, though, Charlotte and Atlanta were not priorities. A single strike on the Savannah River Nuclear plant made sense, of course, so I assumed a 50-mile radius of that site as being destroyed. Gov. Riley would have moved to organize the state the best he could. How do I determine which cities would have been attacked if they are not on the map of targeted sites?

Since Greenville is half-way between Atlanta and Charlotte, and in the proposal Athens and Toccoa (closer to Atlanta) survived, can I at least assume that Greenville survived as well. Greenville County has the largest population of any area in South Carolina, so I'm thinking that the Upstate could form a government if the military bases in the mid-country and the coast were indeed targets.

The guidelines state that if in doubt, a place was nuked. The accepted scenario of Blue Ridge has established that Charlotte (90 miles from Greenville) was a target. If I assume a 25 megaton bomb, that takes out Union County, SC, at least. The counties of Spartanburg, Greenville, and Oconee remain intact. If Richmond county (Columbia) is gone, and the Naval bases near Charleston, then perhaps I need to assume only the upper NW corner is the only SC to be considered. We do have the Oconee Nuclear Power Plant, and an excellent watershed.

Should I proceed with a proposal for the "Piedmont Republic"? --SouthWriter 09:39, January 4, 2010 (UTC)