User talk:Vivaporius



Re: Liberia and America
French West Africa?! That's Suicide! America Would Never Help! America And France Are Allies! If You Did That, France, Britain, Russia, America, Half Of Europe And Asia Would Go To War With You And Liberia Would Become Part Of Fwa! Sorry for all caps, but that's one of the most ridiculous map game moves I ever heard! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:06, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Now I could, but it would be hard to fight the French over the Atlantic, especially since they are helping in Mexico. I will be away from the computer and the states for a while, so I can't help you here. But I can diract you to Scrawland, who will be taking my place until I get back. Monster Pumpkin 02:08, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, umm, Scraw appears to not approve. This might be a problem. Monster Pumpkin 02:08, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

You should ask France's enemies, not their allies. Get Germany and some other folks with you. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:12, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Germany, Austria-Hungary, Italy (sort of), Latin America, and any haters of America, Britain, or Russia. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:21, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Your plans.
'''YOU ARE TOTALLY RIDICULOUS, BRITAIN WOULD NEVER HELP YOU THE FRENCH ARE ALLIES OF THE CROWN. This is what annoys me about you beginners is that y'all think that you can become like superpowers or something and face enemies like France. Liberia is honestly a joke to any country right now so good luck with that.AP 03:06, June 29, 2012 (UTC)'''

You are one to talk. AP is good member of the gaming community and he has much experience. He has played in several games--with a lack of implausibility. How on earth do you not know that France and Britain were allied in the days leading up to World War I? Every American or European student is taught that in elementary school. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:34, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Edits are edits my friend. Thank you to Scraw for saying that. I joined at the time i did but that doesnt mean i didnt know my history which you seem not to know if you had no idea about the Triple Entente. I'm not one to start inter-wiki wars so i'll just leave you with this: Be a good little Liberia and help your nation out before anything or you'll end up being ruled by someone a couple thousand miles away in a little building called Buckingham Palace:)AP 03:38, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Better make that TWO people, on in a big house called Buckingham Palace and another in an equally big house kalled the Kremlin. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:41, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

No way you can take over Russia and Britain. You'd need war, and you'd lose the war.

We have a mathematical formula for the wars, called an algorithm. You'd lose in the algorithm.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:07, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

'''HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA. I LITERALLY SPIT WATER OUT WHEN I SAW YOUR POST. England was small BEFORE but it is now the world's strongest nation, the sun never sets on the British empire you know. However the sun does in fact set on Liberia everyday and that will be your only form of light until like the 90's so yeah you have NO chance taking over Britain or Russia. It horrifies me that you would think for a second that you could do so EVER in a million years. RUSSIA OH NO THE LIBERIANS ARE OUT TO DESTROY OUR EMPIRES!'''

'''Holy crud England! Quickly! Get a draft! Put every soul in our countries into the military! Our puny force cannot match Liberia's superior might! (I'm being sarcastic, just so ya know.) lol Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:33, June 29, 2012 (UTC)'''

'''There is no more arguing here. The bottom line is : You will never even scratch Britain or Russia, you'll crash and burn and become a colony. But who cares? Why? Because you can consider yourself banned from TE vs CP for being annoyingly implausible.'''

Avaro
Fancey an alliance with Egypt?90.244.92.117 00:33, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Tonga
So long as you follow both the protocol for the timeline, and the rules of the wiki, then yes. Lordganon 03:14, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

I should also add to this - if you don't want to have to do much research, Tonga is not an article you'd want. It's a pretty big player, far larger than its size would suggest, in the modern world atl. Lordganon 05:34, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

DD
No articles will ever get deleted.

You nay be able to adopt articles from someone, or have a new proposal. There's still plenty of space - you just need to look into the areas a bit better.

If you've any areas in mind, ask me and I can give you info on the area.

Lordganon (talk) 03:23, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Well, remember that the map is a bit out of date. Add to that that most of the area is under the control of the local powers - basically, the Siberians have been taking over those in areas near their territory, and another pair of areas form supply lines for their troops in Aralia and their allies in northwestern Afghanistan. Iran and the MLA have been doing the same near their borders, or have explored them.

About the only part of Central Asia that might work is on the coast of the Caspian Sea in Mangystau Province, Kazakhstan. Should be far enough from all parties.

Lordganon (talk) 03:58, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Have a look at the article histories next time, lol.

Both articles are Oer's. While you won't be able to take them over, if you ask nicely he might let you work on them a bit.

Lordganon (talk) 08:52, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Viva, that would not even remotely be ok. Doesn't make any sense, either. Lordganon (talk) 20:02, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Not only do you need to respect and keep what is there, within reason, but that move negates more or less everything already written about those areas, kills off the WAU and LoN, and screws western Africa. Moreover, that empire has been dead and buried for a century, and had nothing to do with anyone outside of a small area of Ghana besides having taken them over. Lordganon (talk) 20:14, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Err.... no, it is not an autonomous region, at all. The former heads of the empire - now only referred to as the "King of the Ashanti" - now only holds ceremonial power over his people. He's like the kings present throughout Africa, and indeed much of the world, today - no power, only ceremonial purposes, and recognized as having a special "historical" role in their history and culture. He doesn't even have a "major impact" in the matter. Like I said, dead and buried for a century. Lordganon (talk) 22:25, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Never used the word "centuries" at all. And the Ashanti are a people who conquered - outside of a small area of Ghana no one had much of anything to do with them.

Irregardless, your proposed idea of reviving that empire is not possible. I've given you the reasons.

Lordganon (talk) 22:56, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

...You're not quite getting the point.

Their accomplishments are irrelevant.

The Tectonic Knights were Germanic "crusaders" - and unlike what you're attempting to propose, were not revered at all in the areas that they conquered. In Germany, they were. Big difference.

The Ashanti are one tribe out of many in that area. And not in charge, either, for that matter.

The Russians were not a conquered people. The Chinese were not, either - look at how things turned out when it was "conquered," with the "conquerors" becoming Chinese in all but name within a couple of years. And no, the Americans were not "conquered." Not even remotely.

Lordganon (talk) 02:00, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

No, you're definitely not getting it - though now I know that some bias is the reason why. You need to learn to look past that.

The Russians were not conquered. Not by the Tartars, not by the Mongols, not by anyone. Defeated several times? Sure. But "conquered?" Not in the least. And only some were defeated. Have another look at what the terms mean.

If you'd read the "history book" you'd find that the Mongols - and later, the Manchu - had become Chinese in all but name within a couple of years of "taking over." Chinese fashion, Chinese culture, Chinese writing, you name it, they adopted it. Like the Romans and the Greeks, they "took over," but the locals conquered them instead.

Ghana and Togo are not Ashanti, or even "Ashanti-majority." The Ashanti are a tribe of the "Akan" people, and pretty much only inhabit parts of central Ghana. And, overall, they are, in the highest estimates, about 19% of the overall population of that country. Add another three million, at most, in the Ivory Coast. There are, for all purposes, none in Togo.

There are more than a hundred separate ethnic groups in these two states. And the Ashanti only form part of one of these groups. Most people were conquered by them. They hold no such affinity, as you claim, to the Ashanti. It's like claiming that the Finns and Russians have a "affinity" to each other - it's just not true.

So, no - your statements are false.

As for your idea.... While I applaud you for coming up with a new idea, you will not be adding any part of it.

They are separate nations, and republics at that. Moreover, you will not be able to change any of what the pages already say. Little thing called "rules" and "canon," Viva.

Lordganon (talk) 05:19, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

And if you think that "tribute" means "conquered" you are very much wrong. Most Russian states weren't even hurt by the Mongols. And the remainder were only slightly pillaged. They retained their independence, though were forced to pay some tribute. Not "conquered" at all. Not subjugated, or anything. Just some tribute, which is really pretty minor.

Again, you are wrong on China - their "overlords" may have taken the throne, but they were very much so the ones conquered.

It is your opinion that the Akan would be like that - not at all a statement of fact. Which makes little sense, given that even the vast majority of Akan were in fact conquered by the Ashanti. And given that they are a minority such an empire is just flat-out impossible to come up in a mostly unified state. That'd be like Germany letting the Bavarians turn all of Germany into Bavaria - the idea makes little to no sense. Ghanaians are not Ashanti. Some may be, but overall they are not.

The Sioux are, in fact, not thought of that way, and never have been.

Never said a thing about a "difference" between rules and canon - what I said was that they were a large portion of why you couldn't do any of that.

You've went on rants about the Ashanti and their accomplishments in a wholly unnecessary and angry manner several times now - and then you felt a need to randomly state that you are a "plucky black guy." That's a sign of bias, Viva. But, we've all got them, so don't worry about it too much. You're very mild compared to some people on here, trust me - there's been a few guys that were just disturbing in how biased they were.

No need to apologize - Your argument isn't bad, overall, just a touch biased. At least you're not arguing that the Pharaohs were all black, or some such nonsense, like some people have in the past. Moreover, you don't come across as ignorant - you know one heck of a lot more about them than most people do.

Now then....

I'd be willing to help/advise you with any state in Central Asia.

Most states in the area have turned out to be emirates of one sort or another. May be a plan to avoid that angle. But, at the same time, a communist state is really out of the question. Maybe aim for a republic. Just remember that it can't be too close to the Siberians.

Lordganon (talk) 09:01, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Spread of Communism
I need you to tell everybody this because for some reason i can't edit the page

PEOPLE ETHIOPIA IS A MEMBER OF GUD! HOW ARE YOU ATTACKING THEM, THEY WERE ALWAYS HISTORICALLY PRO-WEST. IT'S A WAR OF IRREDENTISM. BY DOING THIS YOU'RE ONLY GIVING THE COMMUNISTS HELP.YOU SHOULD BE HELPING ETHIOPIA NOT SUDAN--AP (un-caps lock the whole thing my bad).AP (talk) 18:24, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Seven Years War
THE MAP GAME HAS BEGUN! --RandomWriterGuy (talk) 00:53, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Refer to the end of my last post. I said no responses. And Great Britain has the world's 7th largest economy, considerably less than when it was a superpower but still a major world power. And its military is strong and retains a presence worldwide. Times do change which is why Empires collapsed and the US became a superpower. Clearly you have no idea what you're saying. You are just an African wank. And if you don't know what that means, it's when a person is fixated on a particular region/country and makes it implausibly powerful and large(which you have done or at least tried on several map games, don't deny it i see it all the time). And before you go saying that i'm a British wank, i'll have you know i'm Peruvian and French, and the French even though we have excellent relations with the UK traditionally still have a rivalry with them. This time, no responses let it go.AP (talk) 17:12, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Guess what? My research shows that the sun never sets on the Russian Empire either! Take that AP!

In other words, sure as hell you are never going to conquer us. So what if things change over time? We're not to the point yet where Britain is out of power and America is the sole superpower. In fact, that will never happen in this game. After World War II, a Cold War between America, Germany, and Russia does Yoda see. Tell you once did I not, that size matters not? Small England may be, large Russia may be, but strong they are. Seen I have I in all map games try to make poor, weak, corrupt African nations into world superpowers. An African wank you are.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:00, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

One game it is not. All games it is. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:51, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Let me tell you that on this wiki we have one fellow who is an actual historian and several people who are intending on majoring in history in college and others who are intent on doing so and are sort-of half-historians. I am one of them. Think not that I focus on America and the Motherland, I can lecture you on all of history since the Middle Ages. Everything. From microstates like San Marino to superpowers like America and from ancient nations and tribes like the Tatars and the Teutonic Knights to modern day nations like France and from relatively unknown African tribal nations to the big names in history like Hitler and Nazi Germany. In SoCR you continue to act as if South Sudan is a part of Ethiopia when it is a completely seperate nation. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:42, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Who's to say Liberia can't do it? Everyone except you. I once told you, we have a formula to solve wars, and I do mock formulas ahead of time and you would lose every single war you would wage in TEvsCP.

Who'd have thought one Corsican guy could conquer Europe? A good handful of the King's advisors.

Now then, I have no time left to argue with you as the time to sleep has come in the American Motherland City so I will leave it to AP to argue with you in the morning.

And for the heck of it, know that I have African blood in me, although it is a small fraction compared to the great Asian blood, so I think it is obvious that I would not have bias against African countries. Facts are facts my friend, and there is no denying them.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:58, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Actually a lot of King Louis' advisors saw Napoleon's military genius even at a young age. There's a book called From the Court of the King to Island in Exile and part of it is about Napoleon's days when Napoleon was still a child. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:26, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

African Nations in Map Games
I've noticed that you often play as African nations in map games, but are often limited by the fact that many of those games start after European dominance has begun, so Africa cannot get that powerful. However, in a month and a half, Principia Moderni II is going to begin. Currently, our map is being updated, so the exact nations might change somewhat, but at the moment there are 28 African nations, 5 groups of African city-states, and 13 large tribes which you can sign up for now for when the game begins. Since Principia Moderni II will begin in 1450, no single area has global dominance yet, so having a strong African nation, maybe even with colonies, is not implausible. If you are interested, click on the link and choose any nation, city-state group, or tribe. Just look them up first to make sure they were existant in 1450, because our map is being updated. It begins in a month and a half, so if you haven't decided yet, you have plenty of time to think/change your mind (same thing for the nations, you can change what nation you are signed up as until you actually post as them). LurkerLordB (Talk) 04:02, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

I look forward to seeing you in the next game. Make sure to research the history and culture of the Swahili! :)

LurkerLordB (Talk) 04:36, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Oh good, it's nice when people know a lot about the place they are controlling. Knowing the language will be good too when it comes to naming people and places in the game. LurkerLordB (Talk) 05:00, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

RWG's Comments
I have to make sure you're not implausible. Ok? AP and Scraw told me to assist them in checking you. RandomWriterGuy (talk) 04:45, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

You sure, you just invaded the Benin Empire and later the Odni Empire. You cannot annex and invade multiple countries in the same time! RandomWriterGuy (talk) 04:55, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

That thing was just a mistake, and I had to correct it since Venice did not have a player.

BTW, you were invading the Dahowey Empire before. You're not done yet considering your country's size. If you fight two countries at once, they may gang on you. RandomWriterGuy (talk) 05:16, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Still, it is still not possible to invade two countries your size at once. RandomWriterGuy (talk) 05:38, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

You're only strengthening my point: it is because of that size it is implausible to take them down in just one turn or invade two countries at the same time. RandomWriterGuy (talk) 05:40, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

You can still invade. However, if you are ever going to invade that country, that will take several turns in terms due to country as well as military size. RandomWriterGuy (talk) 06:05, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Well I suggest you invade Oyo first before invading the bigger kingdom. And before you do that, you probably might need to expand your military for a few turns. --RandomWriterGuy (talk) 18:49, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Ha. You're hilarious.If you didn't know about Dean, i'll show you that you are EXACTLY like him. You both pick weak nations or any regular nation, African or otherwise, and then try to turn them into huge empires with alot of money in like 2 years. Don't deny it, everyone across the wiki knows about our 'New Dean'. You want examples, i'll give you them. Look at the map on new beginning. First off that map game is incredibly implausible for an ASB game and that's saying something. Nobody understands the whole plot, if 'all tech on earth was destroyed than how is it bloody possible for you all to have empires? You should first rebuild your societies, something none of you did. I blame it on newb mods.and what's up with those mod events that don't make any written sense? Anyways back to you, if you look at the map your empire is frikin huge because you conquer entire countries in one turn. You were Somalia, correct? If the game started in 1996 you should know that there was a huge civil war there that tore apart the country and it's still going on. Do your research before you play. And then you sail across the Red Sea somehow with a huge military force and have projections to conquer the entire Arabian peninsula? Damn your implausible. And then on TevsCp same thing but there was actually people to stop you there unlike new beginning. And now the same thing on SOCr. You're incredibly annoying, stop taking things to my page get over it, deal with it because everybody knows about it and no one likes it at all. Everyone dreads playing PM II with you because they all know that you are definitely going to try to turn an african nation into a global superpower in two years. So don't talk to me, you never listen when i tell you not to respond because it never gets you anywhere good.AP (talk) 15:58, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

You asked if you could rename Somalia to Axum. It's great how you don't deny any accusations because they are all true. Regardless, it's been less than 5 in-game years and your empire is implausibly huge. But it's ok that game will just die soon anyway it's what happens to all of those asb games. I really don't care about anything else you say, as you only prove my arguments. Clearly you don't know how to make a case for yourself because you lost on all points, damn i should be a lawyer. Anyways, goodbye i'm done with you i'm not going to start a repeat of the pan-wiki war between RWG and DeanSims. You should know about that too, Dean(in this case,you're dean) got a month long ban for not knowing when to stop. Think about it. And this time , do not respond.AP (talk) 16:19, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry
Hey Viva! I was just looking over your talkpage when I found all this! I am ashamed at a few peoples' behavior here. They do not realize that everyone is implausible when they play their first, even second map game. I was just like this, in AvAr, where I was Hindustan, and my democracy ruled with an iron grip, lol.

Plus, I am appalled at AP's behavior. I have never crossed paths with him on a map game, otherwise I would have grilled him for every implausible move he did. I'll tell you that time helps to become plausible. Go and join PMII, no one is fucking dreading you coming and playing. I will warn you, it will take patience for an African nation to become a superpower, but if you persist, I would think you could become one of the premier powers.

PM is a great way to brush up on plausiblity as mods will keep your moves in check so it is not implausible and everything. And you are definately not the "New Dean"! Hell, only AP has ever used that term.

So take my advice and march forward!! :D Imperium Guy 18:51, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

No worrys man. I've been in your position, although a bit milder conditions. Just stick around and you will learn more about plausiblity. Silence the critics, the best way forward! :D Imperium Guy 18:58, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Look, i'm not one to hold grudges or continue feuds. I admit i was hard on you. However you were implausible and you need to do things more gradually instead of at breackneck speed. So i wish to end this thing and put these arguements/disputes and whatnot in the past and move on with the wiki. I'm willing to be easier and lighter on you and your moves on map games so long as when you do get crossed out or reprimanded, you let it go and not create huge arguments because those only kill games.AP (talk) 19:08, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

I think we should have peace. But you really have to accept when you are wrong and listen to others sometimes. More often that not you'll see why your posts would be discouraged. That is my advice to you. Let us put everything else behind us. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:33, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Any response? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:52, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Everything is forgotten,in the past now. So let's go play some map games! VLR(vive la revolution reloaded) is searching for new players.AP (talk) 19:37, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

That would be Vive la Revolution Rebooted. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:52, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Lincoln's Mistake
since you are a fan of african culture interested in helping me design a few african and african american characters for my timeline. i will for now have you as an advisor if i see you are trust worthy i will add you to the list of members of the timeline. Nkbeeching

Support Us in PM!
Hey Eurpoe needs Ethiopia's help in PM! Will offer you any Asian Colonial land in Africa after the war. Europe is about to be invaded for no reason by the evil Nipponese and Bharat. Ethiopia's help would be invailuable in this time of need. The Asian nations are oppressive and are attempting to destroy the European way of life, you may ask

"Why do I care?". With no Europe, then the Asian Nations can subjigate any region of the world unapposed. This means Africa. We Need Your Help!Andr3w777 (talk) 21:13, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

My new good friend, many thanks in joining Europe in defense. Only together can we defeat the evil Asian agressors. :) Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:21, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, Bharat is an enemy of everyone else who accepted your offers, and of Europe. So when Bharat attacks Europe Europe will attack you unless you deny relations with Bharat, ok? That's all I ask. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:57, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Swahili in PMII
Hi Vivaporius,

I am remaking the PMII map and am sorry to inform you that the Swahili Kingdoms are about half their current size on the map and in no way united. If you wish to reconsider your choice then it still isn't too late!

Scandinator (talk) 09:26, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

It would take a while. I'd say about 50-100 years since they are so spread out. Scandinator (talk) 22:16, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

No worries! Scandinator (talk) 23:18, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

SOCr Ethiopia vs Britain
Viva, there is already an algorithm.

here

BTW, you can play as china I guess. BUt NEVER do an algorithm like that again. There are mods for a reason.

The Royal Guns (talk) 05:55, July 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * They were marked in the fragmented color in the current map. LurkerLordB (Talk) 22:10, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, yousa France in in Ridiculous land, care for an alliance with the Ottomans? It's 60 years early but it can be done. If yes, please declare war on the Byzantine Empire.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:33, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

Great. I know its ridiculous, I'm thinking I can rectify that. Rally your friends! Crush the Orthodox Christians!

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:12, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, apparently I can't give you any of Rome, so after I annex it, I'll give you part of it. Good?

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:46, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

A Great worldEditar sección
hi i'm i want to know if you want to play this new game i made ,A Great World (Map Game), if so please join in the game thanks

Hello
I see that we have a common goal for Earth in Battle for Earth. . . would you care for an alliance with the Terran Empire? :)

PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 13:46, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Lobositz Lamentable Loss
Sorry for the delay, but the game has now begun! RandomWriterGuy (talk) 05:44, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Imperialism II
Game has begun. --RandomWriterGuy (talk) 20:06, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Imperialism II: RUSSIAN AND GERMAN CONQUESTS!!!!
OK Vivaporius, I have an idea for Imperialism II.

...

We go after the world together! Yes, let's be imperialist!

We've already taken care of Poland. I can secure an alliance with France (easily) and also we can make an alliance with Scotland.

Then we have to take care of the new Scandinavia. Not exactly a threat, but I WANT THE BALTICS! So I take the Baltics and Sweden, you can have Denmark and the southern Swedish coast, and Norway and Sweden can become two new nations, powerless, war torn, etc etc. The two of us should be able to take care of that if we can get France in on the act. Maybe Scandinavian colonies for France.

Anyways, then I'll be busy in the East, trying to reach the Pacific Coast. Just a few years (six or seven should do it) and you can keep yourself busy with German states.

Then our three-part mega alliance can attack the HRE (what a pain in the rear.) You take the Germany states, I'll take parts of the East, France can have French regions, Burgundy, etc etc.

Then we can do other stuff, the Ottomans, China, Persia, Central Asia, and we can colonize the New World together! I'll start in Alaska, you in Florida or Canada, France in OTL.

Up to it? If yes forward to RWG.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:25, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

Hoo-yay!

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:57, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

About the Offer
What game are you talking about? RandomWriterGuy (talk) 04:18, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

BFER
The Terran Empire would like to offer an alliance to the Gemini Federation. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:31, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Alright then :). Together we can crush the puny Regenetech and Mantelars! :D!!! PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:33, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, it'd probably be fine. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:35, August 27, 2012 (UTC)\

Puny? PUNY? I have the second largest and most populated in the galaxy! Puny my foot! And I have the Azaranians and Ravimos rallied under my banner! As I do the Ahlose and tons of other little nations! Mwahahaha!

Hey, im italy in avaro rev and want to help against iran in return for some iranian coastline and oil feilds, or in other words, an alliance. Proud Leader of the Althistory Revolution (User talk:DeanSims)

Ok, iaccept, but i will annex parts of the Iranian coastline and interior if i join the war, otherwise termsaccepted. I send 3 airtank carriers to help blockade iran and 55,000 troops, each airtank carrier has 30 planes each and 250 each as well as 45 tanks in each. I also give you the airtank carriers design. 55,000 troops are now under your control while i control theairtank carriers and the 90 planes, 135 tanks, and 750 troops on board them. Proud Leader of the Althistory Revolution (User talk:DeanSims)

Hahha... Where is Dean going to supply all that? The Italian army pre 1939 was the least well equipped on EARTH. The Royal Guns (talk) 21:49, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

Now, how much land did we gain and the war will continue right, i will invade southern Iran next turn. Proud Leader of the Althistory Revolution (User talk:DeanSims)

... THAT huge quote on the talkpage? The Royal Guns (talk) 22:04, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

So did I. You quote wikipedia? Yes, indeed. By 1925, the armies of Persia were nothing. THAT WAS 11 YEARS AGO. Since then, NON STOP FULL MILITARIZATION HAS BEEN GOING ON. The Greco Turkish war, BTW, did not actually have any British or French soldiers in it, merely supplies. Persia is a whole nother story. The Royal Guns (talk) 22:23, September 7, 2012 (UTC) Actually, you are correct on several points, but not the majority. Now, first of, in the Turkish war of independence, you are correct- but other than that? Turkey was Secular to god by this point, in terms of government. So... I'll continue this onto the talkpage. The Royal Guns (talk) 17:04, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Please Join the Axis Powers
The Axis Powers would love to have you join our Allaince as a full bodied member. If accepted after the wars end numerous territorial concessions will be given to you. Please consider this and join soon, we

THE AXIS WANTS YOU!

Proud Leader of the Althistory Revolution (User talk:DeanSims)  13:45, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

PMII
Are you Switzerland in PMII? Because this war would be the perfect oppurtunity for you to vassalise Savory.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 23:17, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

My Apologies and good luck in the game.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 00:27, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Hey Viva, would you be interested in joining one of my map games, Things Can Only Get Worse (Map Game) and Islands (Map Game)? There's African nations available in both of them. :)

The first has just begun and features all the nations of the world just after an extremely deep Great Depression. The second one has just been created. In it, you can only play as an OTL island, with the continents having just "appeared" and being open for colonisation (the African islands are playable). 77topaz (talk) 21:56, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

You can post your turn, you know. :P 77topaz (talk) 04:30, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

The next turn has started! You can post. 77topaz (talk) 05:44, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

1940.66 has started, just so you know. 77topaz (talk) 04:02, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

You can post, you know. 77topaz (talk) 09:04, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

1941.66 has started! 77topaz (talk) 08:18, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Axis vs Allies: Revolutions
Are you still playing as Turkey? We need you to keep this game alive!!! PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:51, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Alright then, could you post? Thank you. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:13, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Random note; just looking back on our common past, I just have to say that our arguments were totally ridiculous and pointless. I apologize again just because because. Nice to see that we're not like that anymore. :D Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 03:08, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Arabian Failure Mapgame
i don't know if you are interest but would you like to join this map game i've made Arabian Failure (Map Game) Sine dei gloriem (talk) 04:09, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Axis vs. Allies Revaluations.
Don't worry. United Nations Resolution 0005 over Kurdistan is still being debated. Québec suggests that Turkey’s Adıyaman Province and Malatya (which produces 80% of the world apricots harvest) will be retained by Turkey as will the ethnically Turkish coastal provinces, but Turkey must guarantee a Kurdish road or rail corridor to a Kurdish owned dock or wharf at the Black Sea port of Trabzon. This corridor and dock are non-negotiable and mandatory. The River Nile-2 (talk) 18:18, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

P.S., you can invade Syria and Lebanon any time, I'm not interested in the Levant. Frankly Arabs are in need of some disopline!The River Nile-2 (talk) 18:49, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

Wait before you invade the Middle East. I'm planning a United Arab Republic: Egypt, Libya, Transjordan, Palestine, Syria, Iraq, and West Arabia. Then it'll attempt to go after East Arabia, and start to collapse, at which point you can step in and take as you wish and please. Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 19:14, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

You should pull out and put everything into Persia. After that, the UAR will collapse. Then you can invade everything at once. Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 19:29, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

Oh. Then invade the Balkans. Bulgaria should be easy pickings. If you don't want to go there, then move into Iraq, proceed to Kuwait, and conquer East Arabia. Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 19:31, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

I am. Happy 1000 edits. Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 21:26, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

My legion of 7000+ edits shall overpower your legion on the front at dawn. Prepare to fall to the greatest 11 month-old empire in wiki history. Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 21:38, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm... Egypt actually had a pretty strong standing army, that's probably why. I'll fix the Iraq issue tonight. I've been really busy and haven't really been on in a while. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:46, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Basically install puppet rulers, while making it seem as though they aren't puppets. This'll get the public off your back for a while. Quietly develop nukes and subs and crap, then join the Cold War. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 02:00, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Its time
Hey Viva. If you've noticed, the Capilate are ganing up on you. They are doing the same for Hindustan, and if something is not done soon, we both will lose out. I propose this, we create an alliance to defend each other, and ty and get China and Korea and Japan involved as well. This will be our only shot at survival. If we pull this off, we destroy all the Caphilate plans. We might need to get European countries involved as well, otherwise I do not know how we can stand up to this. We might also have to hope for a positive mod event, considering that the Cahpilate has been doing a lot of expansion lately. Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:06, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

I'm suprised that the mods have not noticed. Its far bigger than OTL, and should have been very unstable after their war with the Europeans, yet they are growing stronger. I think us two will not be able to stop the Cahpilate alone, we will need some backing. I have sent a message to Venice and I hope I can rally up some Asian countries to stand with me. Why, because, it is fairly plausible that the Cahpilate would be able to get into China and the rest of Asia from India. I wonder if you can create an African alliance, to do some damage there? Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:22, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

PMII
You may not know this, but the mods are threatening to punish you for not creating an algorithm for your war on Adal. Just a heads-up.The Royal Guns (talk) 01:13, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Not on PMII. 28 players, right, it's WAY too stressful to handle some 10 wars simultaneously. The Royal Guns (talk) 22:40, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and the Caliphate is about to launch some holy vengance on your arse, for attacking Adal.

Everyone appears to be going after you for that :P The Royal Guns (talk) 23:25, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Ha, worry not. They'll overthrow you and force you to become Christian, but you'll get all the land and more back when they collapse. Player Nations are too valuable to wipe out.

And if they do, that'll get Hindustan and the HRE riled up against them. Not Russia though, unless we choose to backstab them, but that's not likely. We have a nonaggression pact.

Worst case worst, you'll have to take over a new nation. The Royal Guns (talk) 23:47, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Check out the Talkpage's of Imp, Me, and Lx. Get ready for a preemptive strike on the DME. The Royal Guns (talk) 01:34, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

North Republic (AVA:REV)
Hi. On the Turkey page it says we sided with the USA. The North Republic sided with our friend Japan.

This next bit is secret.

The North Republic dislikes the US. We wish to see them fall, but this is tricky. Therefore we have gone to the country we believe has the best hope of getting rid of them.

One futher note: It looks like an invasion is brewing. Now unless you use the North atlantic you have nothing to fear from the North Republic. And I think that is outside your sphere of influance and indeed any areas you give a whatsit about. Thus you have no need to nuke us.

Besides which I am planning something to take us off war with you without upseting japan. (the next election)

David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk) 17:27, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Ah. Sounds reasonable enough. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 01:09, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Zaire (AvsA:Rev)
Hi. Will you be introducing democracy to the country? Also I would be keen to know a rough outline of your goals so the North Republic can react. To a long, equaly benificial alliance. David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk)


 * The nation of greater Zaire is possible-[][]] [][].90.244.95.60 22:55, December 17, 2012 (UTC)R. Beal

DD
It's not quite as bad as you'd think, Viva.

Those nations aren't based at the nuked areas, by a long shot. Nor does a detonation automatically mean that an area cannot support a state. It really depends on the "where," so to speak.

...Japan didn't shoot any down. And Israel is a bit of a special case - well-trained, in a small area, not facing massive ICBMs, and pilots with a death wish. Even there, they barely managed it at all.

Where are you looking at? I can give better advice based on that.

Lordganon (talk) 10:45, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Between the Dragons, the Tigers when they were in the area, and groups that Jaingsu has been fighting as it goes further inland, basically all of Anhui province isn't an option.

Henan.... well, we have a current proposal in neighboring Hubei that has yet to graduate. The existence of a proposal there would more or less invalidate anything in Henan.

However, nothing's been done on it in a while. Go ahead and make a proposal there if you must, though I would prefer if you did one elsewhere.

A state in Henan, however, would need to be in the southwestern areas of the province.

Lordganon (talk) 10:56, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

There's plenty of open areas - for instance, the Congos, European Russia, and Central Asia have outright room. The precise extent of this room, however, you'd have to ask me about.

There are many, many more states referred to on pages that have nothing written on them. Spain and the former USA, for instance, have several of these references.

Alternatively, there are a large number of articles with little of no content - proposals, stubs, etc. - that are abandoned or what-not. You could easily get ahold of one of them and mold it as you will.

Really, give me a region and I can give you info on it in this regard. Think I've told you that before, lol.

As for the other part that you removed - take it to Pita first.

Lordganon (talk) 04:59, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

Kinda figured that you'd go with something else over Spain - the pieces there just aren't very big. You could have also done an article on the LoN Zone at the straits, which that map on the Spain page ignores (a lot of that map is not accurate at all)

Ghana and the Ivory Coast, remember, do have authors - however, if memory serves, it is Oer that made them, and he'll let you if you ask.

Said nation in the Congos would have to be on the Congo River - off in the jungle, its odds would not be good. The area of Mbandaka or Lukolela would probably be most ideal, though using Lisala or Bumba may work too.

Another thought occurs to me - there is states mentioned in several spots in Angola, Algeria, and Morocco with no articles on them. They'd be doable too.

Lordganon (talk) 02:59, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

The next turn of Things Can Only Get Worse (Map Game) has started! 77topaz (talk) 06:56, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

...Just about that entire proposal violates canon, Viva. Almost all of the territory you have assigned it is part of other nations, outright. Lordganon (talk) 07:41, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Those are the only nations based in the Congo. There is two more that hold reasonable amounts of territory in it, Kongo and Cabinda, and a few more whose territory - Gabon and the CAR, and to a small degree Cameroon, Sudan, and the Ugandan states - has spilled over the otl borders to some degree.

Viva, you just ran with the concept a bit too far. Why don't you pick an area to have it based in, and I'll draw up a map for you based on that?

Lordganon (talk) 09:50, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

All righty. Will get back to you on it when it's done. Lordganon (talk) 01:40, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Map Game Wiki
hi,Viva i would like to know if you would be willing to Come and Play in Map Game wiki any kind of Game you want, as i Want to Re activate the Map game wiki as an alternative way to the Althistory one, it would be also a good place to Make any sort of Map game project you might want Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:22, December 23, 2012 (UTC) http://mapgame.wikia.com/wiki/Map_Game_Wiki

AVARevaloutions
''I back the invasion of Rhodisia! ''I believe the CAR's defence treaty still holds with Ziear and we  condemned  Rhodesia in the AU a few turns back. I consider my self a  allies  of Ziear. I will give my political support freely; and troops and/or   if asked for. Long live Ziear! Let's crush the  Rhodesian Whites together! Beal90.244.91.229 22:19, December 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Zaïre has resources- You’re got plutonium naturally occurring at a natural nuclear fission reactor at Oklo in Gabon.90.244.84.188 23:00, December 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * All see all the minerals, such as copper and cobalt mentioned in this part of Zaier- Katanga Province! 90.244.84.188 23:12, December 28, 2012 (UTC)R Beal.

Mods
I agree over the mods and the bias. I noted (as the CAR) that the USSR, Argentina and Zaire were treated bias in places by the mods. The first and second AVAR did not have this and were fun, but the third and this one are fixed.90.244.82.231 18:13, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

African Dream
I like this TL.90.244.84.188 22:55, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

I would like to see this TL grow and flourish, I like it's original and fresh viewpoint.90.244.82.231 18:13, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

AVARe
I need to know how long that war is going to be. If not, I'll end it in 1984 with no land exchange.AP (talk) 05:34, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

PMII
You should not have left Ethiopia in the first place. Thus I encourage you to return to your original nation and Swahilli returns to status quo ante bellum. Scandinator (talk) 01:30, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Italy gives you Somalia in return for discounts on oil produced in Ethiopia, do you accept,as Somalia will make you grow and give you recognition as a major player in the politics of Africa and the Middle East. (DeanSims: Talk) 02:18, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Unlimited map games wiki.
Hey would you like to come check out Unlimited map games wiki. It is a website that will have no limitations on mapgames (Time,Nations,ETC) I hope you enjoy!The old baby (talk) 21:38, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Axis vs Allies Reborn Stuff
Sure, I will give you support in my next turn.

Ethiopia, im neutral now, im at war with neither and allied with neither, and if you attack my land, I will destroy you with ease and personaly give you to Germany as a colony. Dont screw with me. (DeanSims: Talk) 01:05, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

This is Italy. (DeanSims: Talk) 03:28, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Italy doesnt have to conquer you, just carpetbomb your cities to deth. (DeanSims: Talk) 04:10, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Im neutral, I crave.no war. Italys Council of El Duche has spoken for peace. (DeanSims: Talk) 04:34, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Lol, I like how you tell Dean you have a better air force than him.

Anyways, don't screw with Italy. You have been warned.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 04:41, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Well I do. Japan had the most advanced airplanes in the world, and unless you ignored half the game, you'd see that they gave me the technology to build those same planes. I like how you see that Ethiopia modernized and you casually blow it off like you did in the last two games and ignore the progress. Italy made these same boasts during the actual war, and had its tail handed over to it by every force it confronted. Italy screws with Ethiopia, and it screws with all of the Axis Powers. That means he'll have to fight Germany and Spain, who can easily walk over its soldiers. You know, just like in real life. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 04:42, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Far from. Japan did not have the most advanced plans--that was Britain, followe closely by Germany. And even so, in this war, it is quality and quantity over quality. What you have is quality. Italy is loaded with planes nearly as good as yours. Plus, you do not have the capability nor the resources to fully build up an entire air force comparable to those of Europe or the US or even Japan for that matter. Not to mention that Italy has gallionloads of others behind it. And, unlike OTL, Dean blew precious time improving the military. You shall collapse to him, hook, line, and sinker. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 04:55, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Corrected. Britian had the most advanced warplanes near the end of the war. And I blew precious time improving my military as well, and I have Germany and Japan on my side. Plus, the Book of God (i.e. real life) states that Italy's military was obselete by the start of the war, and remained so through the whole conflict. Dean may have increased the size of his military, but he never increased its quality. Italy will deck like a house of cards to the combined might of the Axis. However, since I'm getting nothing from the fighting, I'm leaving them. Now stop raging on my talk page, and go bother someone else. I have military development to pursue. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 20:11, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

You realize that if you leave the Axis you have no chance of gaining territory? Most certainly you will bend if you attack Axis areas, and the Allies will give you nothing. Futhermore, if you attempt to attack the Allies, you will fail miserably again. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 20:24, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you can read or not, but I'm pretty sure I declared my neutrality in the conflict. Also, I'm also sure I stated I was getting nothing from the fighting to begin with, and thus have no reason to keep fighting anyway. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 20:37, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Italy is winningthe war easily, we will drop 4 nuclear bombs on your 4 most industrious and populous cities if you do not surrender to DITO forces now. (DeanSims: Talk) 22:24, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

alright, Italy and its allies offer you a deal returning borders to prewar terms, do you acceot, remember we have nukes. (DeanSims: Talk) 23:04, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if you get someone to renuke Dean, I will renuke them and you. And mind that Australia is not supporting you. And the ILEAN is behind Italy. Sweden, Norway, Latvia, etc. Status quo ante ante bellum, meaning before WWII (maybe Djibouti you can keep).                  ♒   "Fear the power    of the Dark Side of the Force."  00:26, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Germanys been nuked, so they cant help, and australias nuetral. You couldnt.invade Italy. You have no nukes, I do, return the northern third of Somalia to Italy and we relinquish all claims to claims to you or we will nuke you. Or we can return to pre-war terms and you join DITO. Italy has a claim to Somalia. We can.pay you though for that third of Somalia though with tech and trade deals. So what is it, one or two? (DeanSims: Talk) 01:37, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Italy, Bosnia, Ethiopia, Somalia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, Slovenia, Croatia, Libya, and Eritrea offer you an alliance and offer membership in DITO as,a security council member, we welcome strong ties with South Africa. (DeanSims: Talk) 16:37, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

We will aid in your self production of nukes. (DeanSims: Talk) 19:03, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

my conquest of Ethiopia wasnt personal,  South Africa can be a great nation and I could never hope of attacking or conquering you, even with all my allies. Please establish relations with Italy and its allies, we can use the trade and both of us have something the other wants. (DeanSims: Talk) 19:08, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Lets staw away from another argument, how about i pay you a little money, or money, or land, weapons, or tech, for our allaince. (DeanSims: Talk) 19:21, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Okay. Fair enough. (DeanSims: Talk) 19:24, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Thats becasue your invading all of a sudden, we will vote on decalring war agaisnt Mozambique and that other country but ask that Italy gains part of northern Mozambiqu. (DeanSims: Talk) 21:36, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

We have agreed to admit you, we declare war on the two nations and request your aid agaisnt Germany in your post please. (DeanSims: Talk) 21:39, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

were going to get Poland independace and Slovakia, were going to leave ethnic Germans part of it. Also you can gain some land from Germany, most notably from its vassals. (DeanSims: Talk) 21:42, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

sweet! please vote on the DITO page for the war agaisnt GERAMYNY (DeanSims: Talk) 21:48, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Um...no problem? Btw, why are you thanking me, lol?

Cool flag there.

                 "Fear the power    of the Dark Side of the Force."  23:17, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I just realized something, if you and me were to ally fully we could take advantage of ourvassal states and take more land. Honestly I would like a new German-South African-Italian Alliance, and with all our combined power could curbstomp nearly everyone! So what do you say? DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 14:49, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, were deciding on war with Geramnys PUPPETS on the conference page, we need your vote please, http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/DITO_(Axis_vs_Allies:_Reborn_Map_Game)#Conferences

Thanks

DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

Hello!
Germany offers a secret alliance to South Africa- after all, we did help jump start your space program. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 21:30, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

FYI, the stuff about satellites was not me. Twas Pita or AP themselves.

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Give me Sudan and you have my full aid, also try anf get Germany to trust me again, becausr id like an alliance with them. Tell them ill id in invsding the USSR. The 13/14 italian nations will aud you in.return for Sudan. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

Of cpurse, the aid will be secret, but itl still count as I dont want more enemies, at least not punlicly. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

Can I also have Sudan, Djibouti, British Somalia, and all of Britains Arabian Penninsula possessions south of and including Kuwait?, you get the rest and ill set my lands up as puppet states with Sudan becoming two nations. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

Hey. I'm trying to be on good terms with everyone, but the way you do certain things doesn't exactly help. You have to be realistic, multiple wars in a row damage an economy no doubt. Try peaceful means like I did with the CoLA and if they don't join you, they can rot in a heap of poverty(like Bolivia and Paraguay when they refused to join me). The thing i'm trying to say here is that if i seemed "biased" im sorry, i was just doing my job as an algorithm revisor and I have to make sure all of them are fairly done. Peaceful expansion almost always guarantees that nations will stay with you. Britain and France should be decolonizing this decade, that is your chance. European nations(otl and atl) think they are more important than they really are, especially in this century.AP (talk) 23:04, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Mate, you are giving away 6 free points to the enemy. If you want I can reshuffle it to make it better for you. You up for it? Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:52, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Now im sure you would have spent 2 of the past 15 years developing economy (or said u were), but did u say that you were building roads or shipsyards or something (did you spend 2 years on infrastructure)? Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:03, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

And well, I couldn't get you to win again Adal, but so far you can take a good 1/5th of it. If you can destablise its government (if the mods think that one fifth will), then you can expand 15,000km into the country every year. If not, then you continue to build up and consolidate the territories you have gained... :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:07, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

No problem mate :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:25, February 19, 2013 (UTC) http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Axis_vs_Allies:_The_Last_Round_(Map_Game)

join us, we have tacos

DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

hey, the Last Round started DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 23:45, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Hey man. Have you noticed that you have no vassals? Well, you have two nations right next to you, just waiting to be vassalised.

One of them is Adal, and the other - Sudan. All you need to do is to vassalise them. In the long run, it would be better to vassalise Adal rather than conquer it.

Why? Because once you have vassalised Adal, you can let the country expand by 10,000km every year. You can vassalise them by first increasing trade with them, and over 5 years bribe their leaders into giving you more trade with the country so that the country becomes reliant on your trade. Then, boom - you vassalise them. Nothing much will change for Adal, except you will be able to control its actions. To convert them to christianity, you will slowly have to send in missionaries and take it slow as you have had many wars with them.

The other country you can vassalise is Sudan. A much larger country, it offers more in the way of land and power. You can let it expand too by 10,000 every year, and soon you will have a very large state in the north east of Africa under you. Then, 20-30 years later, you can incorperate the country (after ensuring it is christian by sending missionaries early on).

So, if you play your cards right, you will be able to become a very large nation in Africa itself. And who says you cannot become a major power plausibly. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:57, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

You can't vassalize a nation larger than your own, JSYK.

22:03, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Oh well. Still, vassalising Adal is your best option, rather than to invade them :)  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:11, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Odd conversation going own behind my back. :P But yeah, I'll vassalize Adal, and invade Sudan in a few decades maybe. Thanks Imp. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 04:45, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Welcome :) But if you want to invade Sudan, then you will need to see which parts in East Africa can support the most people and expand there, because the population factor will win you the war :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:29, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

No problem. But you really need to expand your country southward for a good 20-25 years, at 10,000km each year. You will need to get to the state south of you which has two lakes on each side. That area will ensure you can gain a greater population and feed your people. Plus, becuase Africa is so diverse, I advise you to begin a propoganda campaign to make all your people think of themselves as one. So in schools, put Ethiopian as your main language. However, do not force it upon the people, just impliment it (if that makes sense).

You should also begin to vassalise Adal, by first saying sorry to them for invading, then slowly gain control of their economy and such. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:49, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

Exactly. India, being as corrupt and bad as it is, doesn't force each of the states to like build an army and stuff, or destroy their culture by forcing them to speak Hindi. They have Hindi as a language in school, so its not exactly forced - its taught.

So, you will need to open up scholls for the nobles and rich children, and have Ethiopian as a language. Keep on making roads and schools as you expand inland. So for 20 years straight (as you expand), you will need to state you are building roads and schools for the rich.

Studys dictatorships in his freetime, eh? No wonder you can create nations like Huria!! :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:32, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

Its an interesting concept, yet I haven't read about the evils they have committed yet. I would have loved to you make India into a nation like that too (with or without Pakistan - but with Pakistan would just mean even more bloodshed and darkness, perfect for the concept). But a nation like Huria would be a very interesting concept indeed. I will wait until you have sorted out the world history before reading in depth. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:19, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

"Just because"??! Wow, they really are comparable to Nazi Germany (keep in mind they murder 12 million civilians in their camps). I will keep up with it cause it seems like an interesting concept. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:59, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

When I mentioned India and Pakistan, I meant them in one country, lol. Thats where all the bloodshed comes from :L Yeah, I saw the second one too - but I don't think you have worked on it that much. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:12, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

PMII
EXACTLY!! Brandenburg is my ally, yet it and Scandinavia have no population base whatsoever!! So if they say that I can't have the Netherlands as a puppet, then well up (censored). Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:07, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Hahaha, no man. Some of their moves are just implausible. Wait until Lurker returns. Things will change big time. Don't be suprised one day if you find Scandinavia and Brandenburg's posts just striked out. It would mean LLB would be back. :P

But I think the mod thing will be completely reconned. Otherwise I will take over the coast... :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:17, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

I think you should add to your post that "Ethiopia begins to expand its influence into Adal, by slowly bribing many officials to think better of the country." It sets you up to begin vassalising Adal. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:33, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Hahaha, you copied it word for word, lol. Just keep doing that for like 5-10 years, and soon Adal will begin to think differently of you. Not a warlike nation, but a great neibhour... XD  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:37, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Adal, a nation you have declared many wars against and you generally hate would never agree to be vassalized by their great enemy Ethiopia. That is too implausible. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 23:52, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Oh well. Atleast someone is telling us what is plausible/implausible again. Well I got a map to show where there are areas where your colony could instead be.

And the way things are going between our nations, if you are ever invaded, my Raja would enter into a coalition with you to protect your country, and the funny thing is that I am not even joking. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:36, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Hahaha, ikr! Well, keep expanding. Do you think I should raise the point about AP having puppets in SA in 1600s, cause its implausibe - and he says my puppetisation was implausible (well it wasn't plausible - but he forced me cause he puppetised Bengal - my back door). Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:53, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

I will do it soon then. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:05, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

I need you to give me an accurate map with a) your current home nation borders and b) your colonies so I can upload it to the game's map. Just remember to input your changes into the current map. Its not just you everyone has problems with Collie updating the maps. For you it's just been 30 years, I once had to wait for 50.AP (talk) 00:24, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

AP IS THE MOST abusive mod evar. He has tried to control the world, and has abused his mod powers in soo many games!. Something must be done. ஆஸ், I wear your Grandads clothes (talk) 00:30, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

I'm a bit winded now. So maybe later. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 00:33, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

LOL ஆஸ், I wear your Grandads clothes (talk) 00:35, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah I'm updating it today so if you wouldn't mind giving that to me soon, i'd appreciate it that way I don't do it more times. Also, I am updating the labeled map(displayed on the talk page) so I need your colony names and anything else that might be labeled.AP (talk) 00:36, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. They will be guestimations, so if you want them anywhere specific tell me now. AP (talk) 00:46, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

hey, your up for election as a mod on Axis vs Allies The Last Round (Map Game), so make sure your active on the game. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

Hey man. I noticed your Philippine war thing. I have a solution. Since it is going on for 15 years, I'll join in, as a coalition partner. Why? See the orange, that shows a hindu state. I would like to capture the hindu states and ensure you will the war. We can divide up the countries later. You up for it? :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:02, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

Sure man. I just want to win this war and get a colony in the area as quickly as I can. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:41, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

You might want to check the algorithim now. The war will finish next year (1643) now. I edited it to make it easier on both our nations. :P Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:11, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

I put a new version on the previos map. It will be our division of city states and areas to expand into. Are you fine with it? :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:30, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Well, saved you from a useless 10 years of fighting :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:44, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Ok viva, got a bit of advice. Seeing as you last invaded Adal in 1616, you will have until 1646 to invade it again and try to get 18% of its territory. Why? Because if you combine that with your previous war (15.3%), you get the golden 33.3% - toppling their government. I'll see if you can first topple it on your own, otherwise I will aid you. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:01, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

No problem mate. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:16, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

I saw it coming, tbh. They opposed my puppetisation of the Netherlands as well. Now I know that it might be a bit too early - however I do not think powers like Scandinavia should be allowed to vassalise like Bengal so early either. The Brits only got there in 1757!! I can fight any European nation on equal terms yet the mods don't get that. However this does mean that they cannot say anything about my Philippine colonies, otherwise they will never hear the end of it from me. :P

So, you going to war with Adal yet? :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:40, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Oh. Well, '46 just started. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:21, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

And you might want to say what the fate of all those small city states is. I added them unto the map as your colour. 'Cause you could make them into colonies or make a couple into colonies and keep the larger ones as puppets. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:23, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Lol, no problem. Lets make sure we give the Europeans a run for their money. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:32, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

You won in three years! Check the algo to see what I mean. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:17, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

No problem, I'll remember! Although I think I'll win this war in five years over two phases of two year wars. But I'll remember. And you have finally conquered Adal, woooo! :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:21, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

And I would recommend that you just keep on expanding 10,000km southward for a good 10 years. Maybe after that, you can keep building up your military and then I'll add you. I plan to go silent anyway, my nations needs a bit of R&R. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:31, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

BTW, you might want to state in your 1649 post that you have completely conquered Adal. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:51, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

I got some bad news
See how on the Philippines it seemed like you had control over two or three small states, apparently its only one. Therefore, the solution is to expand 10,000km every year southward (as long as you do not come into my claimed territory, lol) and then northward. I'll send Collie the map we have decided our claims on so he knows where we will be expanding. :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:34, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

And China's claiming Luzon too. So just keep on expanding southward and onto the islands to the west. :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:48, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Lol, no problem. But you better expand it by the max, China's expanding its colony by 5000km in the area. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:12, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

I don't know. Now if you have a colony for 100 years, you are allowed 4000km max. I'll ask him in-game. :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:14, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Night of the Living Alternate History
I invite you to participate in the Night of the Living Alternate History. There are many nations still available, and we should be starting soon. Mscoree (talk) 17:16, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

PMII
I happened to notice your question on Imp's talk page. The answer is unfortunately no. How that escaped me and the other mods is a mystery now. Converting another nation's populace to another religion was ruled implausible a while back. This was when the Papal States and I attempted to convert Morocco to catholicism and LurkerLordB said it couldnt happen because it was against the rules.. Invading is always an option though.107.216.13.114 02:59, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Mysterious Mystery Man! :D Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 14:46, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

That's Collie. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:14, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

BTW, did Kitara have a new government placed on it in the last 20 years? :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:19, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

When did this happen? (year) :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:32, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Yes!! That is how you expand your nations. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:27, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Just make sure after the war that you let all three expand at 10000km. Then see your nation. Btw, check out the algo to see how you did. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:34, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

I have Chrome, Firefox, and Opera, but I'm using Chrome. All three will not let me open the Google website.

23:36, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it was designed for Chrome, Safari, and Opera. It is not compatible with IE8 or IE9 (works with IE10 though) or Firefox. Also, thank you. :)

23:43, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I was wondering if I could recieve a small enclave of land from Yemen if you don't mind. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 00:16, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

YAY! XD  Imp (Say Hi?!) 00:30, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Tis much is all I want. On the plus side, this will help be get trading with Ethiopia much easier as it can all pass through an Orissan port close to you. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:39, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

I'll make sure that my enclave is full of soldiers and traders. Traders for prosperous peacetimes and soldiers to aid your campaigns in times of war. What are you going to do with that state next to Adal? :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:20, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Don't invade. Just vassalise it (only takes 5 turns). :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:21, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Depends. If it is close (ie Yemen), then yeh. But I'd advise to turn Yemen into a puppet or downright annex it and get a migration going (ethiopians -> yemen; yemen -> ethiopia). If its like Aceh, then no. You'll need to turn it into a puppet.

Btw, I'm not being cocky or anything, but have you noticed that since we became allies and we've talked to each other, you've grown more in the last 40 years than ever before. XD  Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:38, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Ya man (West Indies accent) XD  Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:01, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Little more advice. Expand Ethiopia and Adal at 10000km at the same time for 10 years straight. After that, as soon as you have a border with Kitara, don't invade it, but stop expanding. You can keep allowing Adal to expand to the Somali city states though. Then bring Kitara into a personal union with Ethiopia and expand Kitara (after you have brought it into a personal union with Ethiopia) for 10000km around both the large lakes. Kitara will become your breadbasket.

So yeah. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:07, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

But make sure you do not go aggressive on any European powers, cause you will be fairly weak for 10-15 years. But don't worry, I got you back. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:22, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, lol. ;D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:57, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Slight change of plans. You will only be able to get 30.1% in the three year war (ending 1662) against Yemen. Now have a year of peace in 1663 (only expand your vassals) and then invade them again in 1664. You war will be finished in 1665. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:55, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah. You'll only need 3% to win anyway (so your second war will last one year). So your second war would begin in 1664 and finish in 1664 too. Then I might ask for a small enclave in game (the results should be on the 1665 map). XD  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:00, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

And when we profit, you profit. XD And get ready to send your scientists over to Orissa again. BTW, did you read my post? Children who can afford to go to school can now learn Ethiopian. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:14, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

YAY. We will soon have generations which will be able to speak each other's languages. Not now, but around the late 1800s, would you be interested in creating new language out of Ethiopian and Hindi? We spend like 5-6 turns each and then we could make it a mandatory language in schools when they get to like 6th or 7th grade. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:30, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Oh yeah! We'll have to wait like 200 years, but what the hell. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:34, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

And you know what? My Raja's going to start building a Taj Mahal soon. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:36, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

I would say so. You'd be able to built it much better than OTL as well. Well, AP has assured me he's not going to expand more into India, and I have signed a treaty with Scraw about his claim to India (he gets the rest of the south - apart from Carnatic). So that's no major problem. I have already conquered Dehli (took me one turn), and Crim has agreed to give me Kashmir due to my help in toppling Tibet. Nepal will be vassalised soon enough as well.

I don't think I'm going to need to go to more wars anyway. However, there is going to be a muslim rebellion in a couple turns. You could sent me some support there. I plan to have it go on for like 5 years. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:46, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Lol, ok. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:49, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Viva, Von has offered you a coalition algo against Yemen. I advise you accept his request and get in the act. You'll finally topple their government. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:25, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

Yes of course I give you help. I do want some o Yemen though. Not loads, you still get the majority of it. The map opposite shows how I would like to divide Yemen between us both. I hope you accept this generous offer. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 13:54, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah of course he can. I'll update the map accordingly. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 16:43, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, no problem. We cannot colonise Australia yet, btw. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:01, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Remember, Ethiopia's also growing by 10000km now :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:02, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but that would not really be a good move. Joining our coalition would, however, and I will be able to get you some good territories (hopefully). Otherwise I would just recommend heading toward Kitara, as it is your best move. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:20, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

He has two; one in Madagascar and one in the Maldives. Could you like try to half it though, so you get the top half? :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 06:49, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Do not go to war. Its a bad idea. Look, how much is that colony going to expand? Not a lot, and try to sort it out diplomatically. So try to get the top half of the colony, and let Von keep the south. Becuase both of you were in the war effort together. :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:27, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Here is what you could offer the division for. :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:47, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Yeh. And if you check the map of the Khmer division, you will see you have recieved a small enclave for your loyalty as an ally. But we both need to calm it with the wars. I would recommend you keep expanding until you reach the Somali Sultanates and city states and Kitara. I will have a small crisis of succession (required government change) and then enter a period of unprecedented growth (as in economy and science, not war, lol). So yeah. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:07, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Sure! Just make your parliament controled by Merchants or significantly influenced by them so that it allows your nation to grow. I might fight another war to take advantage of my 1.5 before I lose it in 1679. Von was fine with it but he said I should "make sure" that I stop my warmongering after that. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:20, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

But their nations were around for much longer. Its a rags to riches story for me. 80 years ago, who was Orissa? No one. Now, who is Orissa? A world power who has gone to war tons of times, and who helped take down Scandinavia one of two major powers (well, I did have Venice and Germany) and is now in-line for the top industrialisation spot (true story). I do need to cool off for a slight bit before I go back to war, and I will try to get a couple more wars against states in the subcontinent first (not major threats).

Oh well. The Pax will be the best time for science though. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:43, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

I guess you have to continously keep stating you are working on it and tell the mods that you worked on it. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:41, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

hey the Novrogod Conference has begun now. If you want to join the allaince we can seriously do damage and get you lots more land DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 14:50, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

That is because you did the result wrong.You actually gained 34 or 35% of their territory.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 07:06, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I fixed your algo. You can claim 34.6% of their nation. Saying you only go to war two years will allow you to take 26.25%. Give a couple years in between, then invade them again, when it will take a mere one year to conquer them. See, it wasn't tough :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:25, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

I am proud of you. Your nation is going to be a mean-ass one after this war. And I am going to try to make sure you are either Orange or Yellow on the industrialisation thing. You have me backing you after all. Plus, a little more advice if that is fine. Kitara isn't exactly going anywhere, so I suggest continous expansion of your nation for 5 more years. Then have a bit of peace and invade the Somali city-states. Make the city states into a state in Personal Union with you, and expand them by 10000km each year. Also give the poor Somali Sultanate a bit of land, he should get some coast atleast. Also try to buy the Venetian colony in the horn of Africa, morefor the symbolism for having land on the horn rather than anything else.

That comment about Mynmar was me. I understand you are annoyed, but you have to see you have the capability to expand your main nation much more than any other established power does. That does not mean you cannot influence world matters, and will ensure you get to become a greater world power, but relish the oppurtunity to get a large portion of East Africa under your control. :P

Plus, I will need a favour. I will need you to come to my defense soon. As one ally to another. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:00, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Yes! I knew I could trust you! And you know what you have to go with Sudan. Move your people around by creating job oppurtunities. Get Ethipopians in Sudan by a large number and visa versa. Then make schools and stuff and teach Ethiopian as the main language from the start. However, have the schools have the option of learning Sudanese from 6th grade. If you teach the former natives their language, they look at you in a positive light. Plus, with 320 years to go, ethnic mixing will cause all the peoples under you to become Ethiopian. Go as much detail as you can about the moving around of the citizens due to new infrastructure projects and the syllabus of the new schools.

I am counting on you to get to Kitara too, btw, lol. Try to expand south as much as you can, it will be very beneficial (I'm pretty sure I have said this before - lol). Also build as many reservoirs as you can, along with canal networks for your crops. It will give you the capibility to grow crops in less arible lands. Even with 1700s tech, this was possible. Did you know the Kingdom of Mysore had around 40,000 reservoirs in 1740? Surprising, correct. I have also been building reservoirs all around my nation.

And I wonder if you noticed, but I have united all the states in personal union with Orissa in India into the United Maharajya. Orissa is going to be very powerful population-wise now, lol. And another one I wonder if you have noticed, Adal is acutally more suited in OTL Ethiopia than you are, lol. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:34, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Use my favourite tactic for a vassal, expand then incorporate. So try to expand it as much as you can, then incorporate it later. Yeah, my population is going to be massive now, probably equaling China. I've got Bengal and the Gangatic Plains under control. And believe me, it will always be the population which will win you the war in this format of the algorythim.

Plus, if you need to make reservoirs, you should ask us to send over some experts. We have made thousands of canals and reservoirs so far. We can help you pretty easily, and let your experts take over in like 3 years.

Its funny that Russia gets to expand huge chunks, while you equal them on the industrialisation chart and you expand at a snail's pace. You know what, I'll ask Scan for a solution, and get back to you on that - lol. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:53, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Great! I'll get the ball rolling on the talkpage. Yea, I'll send you the experts. And yeah, make sure you do incopporate the vassals. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:04, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Done. Lets see what the other members say. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:21, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Invade Sudan this year, Viva. It will be over this year itself, as the war only needs to last one year, lol. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:00, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Gotcha. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:14, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Yea man, if that's ok with you. And Sudan is one of those ones you should not vassalise. Just add it into your main nation, much more control, lol. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:33, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Lol, yeah - considering its bigger than Ethiopia. Plus, maybe have more than just 1/4 of Sudan's population Ethiopian, it will be better as you can create that sense of Ethiopianism quicker. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:42, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks man. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:46, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Well, everything south of Brunei is part of Mataram and Sumedang. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:50, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

We won, but unfortunately we did not topple their government. Lets see how much we can lay claim to. We have got tons of members in our alliance as well. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:19, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, although the algorithim still needs to be worked out, lol. However, it looks like we won World War I (that is what I am calling it). :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 09:26, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Viva, do you want to swap Tasmania for Nuovo Milano? Scandinator (talk) 03:16, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Horn of Africa, right next to you. Scandinator (talk) 03:27, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

You will still have New Zealand. I just want Tassie because its my home country. Scandinator (talk) 05:03, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not giving up an area I have developed and cultivated for years for three islands with no infrastructure. I'm offering you Nuovo Milano for Tassie as well as support in a war against Egypt when it forms (soon as Von is breaking up Levantine and as long as I get the Sinai and Nile Delta) and thats my final offer. Scandinator (talk) 16:26, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Do not go to war with China. It would be a very, very, very bad move. Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:54, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

The one with the +20 against you. That bad. Even with Venice, it will not be pretty. Plus, have China on your side - don't invade it. Crim already offered you his colony in the Philippines, with you having no major reason to capture mainland China - it would be a dick move.

Look. You have built a vast Empire in Africa. Why would you want China? You can continue growing in Africa. Plus, we need to talk to Collie about the expansion rates into black lands (no pun) - maybe double or triple for you? :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:07, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Israel
Neither side of the conflict are saints. The Israelis are surrounded by countries that would love to wipe them off the face of the earth. How can you be so anti-Israeli after the attrocities that the Arabs did to them? Why are you so pro-Arab after what they did at Munich? There is effectively no Palestinian nation. It's mostly just an artificial nationality prolonged because their fellow Arabs just don't give a flying f*ck about them, and do nothing to assimilate them into their countries. Israel may have done wrong in their efforts to sustain their nation, but the Arabs are still far from without sin in this. Yank 01:13, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

I'll be upfront and honest with you. There is virtually nothing in your message that I don't disaggree with. And I don't doubt that there is nothing I can say that can change your mind. We'll just keep on thinking that the side that we have chosen to support is justified in their actions, and the other is evil scum. It's futile to think otherwise. I still think the Arabs are despicable and you are wrong by extension, but I'm not exactly a master of the debating arts so I'll drop it. Yank 01:59, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

I'll help you in a war against China if you wish but I would prefer the southern or eastern portions. Zhejiang and Jiangsu are a must. Scandinator (talk) 11:04, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

"Master Debater" Tee Hee, tee hee. Yank 14:45, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Well, just wait and see how the war plays out. Plus, its the Welsh - not the Iberians (lol) who are fighting with Von. If I give my true opinions, then stay neutral. Let the two sides fight on. You have to see that you are preparing for a war with the Kitarans, so you need to be alert and on the defensive, unfortunately. Plus, your nation has has two wars in the same time, and that is never good, lol.

Plus, can I ask a favour? Would you be able to post for me while I'm gone? :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:33, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

I would like to express that I think that you have a very sensible point of view on the Middle East conflict and I also share most of your opinion.

18:35, May 25, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Viva. Thank you very much for posting for me. It means a great deal, as my colonies have still expanded, lol. Yet I will be changing the 1720 post - it is time for Asia to be propelled into the Industrial era, lol. And for your war against Kitara, just foinish it with two years of fighting. If you have no problem, I'll be willing to finish it. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:41, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Korea thanks you very much, and Korea will agree to join the war agasint the other nations, i mean im already a puppet, and i cant be directly annexed as thats implausible. So ive got nothing to lose. Korea joins on your side. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 16:02, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

Your welcome DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 16:22, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

I was actually thinking about asking you to remove some from the war. Lemme see if Von checked all my info correct. :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:16, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

Lemme try and catch Von out here with my knowledge. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:19, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

Wait, just keep the vassals as leaders. Wait, lol. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:28, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

Exactly. I fought in the huge world war. Since then, none of the rules have been changed. And I advise you to stop expanding your main nation after the war. You will need to as you now know what lurks ahead. We need to win this war to prove the point that united we stand, divided we fall. Plus, Von cheekily removed my 1.1 industrial bonus. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:37, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

Viva, give away the areas Scan has requested. You will recieve at least double after this war as soon as Venice joins in on our side. We will be able to easily win after this. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:16, June 4, 2013 (UTC)

Callum (Saxony) wants you to agree to a 100 year truce and then he will withdraw from the war. Scandinator (talk) 07:06, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Well, we use yours. And here is the page from where the "true" editcount number is found. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 14:56, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure we use yours since it is a player vs player war. :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:12, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Dealings
I have suggested to Von that he can take Yemen and trade Zanj and get out of the war now. Are you ok with it, otherwise we will have a lot more flame wars against other users. If this happens, then Germany will have to stop their warmongering, or I will take them out. So, what do you think. If he still argues, just give him Yemen for stopping his war. What do you think? :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:17, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Who says you are getting out of the spotlight. Our little alliance can now hold back European states and the Arabs at once. Be proud :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:20, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

You lost Yemen? That's it? What are you talking about, lol. And as soon as the war finishes, you go into build-up mode. Build up your economy and army, and do not expand Ethiopia propoer by a single km. Adal, sure, but not Ethiopia. For the next 30 years, you will need to recover. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:26, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Chat now please. Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:36, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Lecrotian Flag


This is the symbol I requested you to put in the flag.

Colors: #00a200 (green) and #ffffff (white)

How it should be divided: Two green stripes (in top and in bottom), with a white stripe in the center. The symbol should be located in the center and be colored as #00a200. Sincerely, 18:14, June 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * I like it. Thanks! 19:28, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

PM2 independent mod check
Hello, okay I've completed our algorithm to the best of my ability and hence I am locking it and leaving it to an independent mod check to decide if its correct. Hence there is a new separate discussion in which you are to raise any problems with the algorithm if you find them. No not edit the algorithm and instead put your problems with it in that discussion and we'll reach a consensus on the issue. Hopefully this will stop the arguments. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:01, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

That's it then. We've lost. I'm not sure even what I have planned next can save us. Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:16, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

Chat now. Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:50, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

No man. You have to keep on playing. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:28, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Battle for Earth: Prime...
Can I use the Polarans from other map games in the new one? If so, that would be great.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 03:08, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Hey I'm doing the map for 1735 and I was trying to find Yorubaland which you say is in OTL Lagos, but OTL Lagos is controlled by the nation of Oyo on the 1700 named map and from what I see, its not been added to the maps since you founded it.

Now would you like me to give you control of Oyo in this map, and we act as if Oyo was vassalized by Ethiopia and renamed Yorubaland? Or should it be a new nation in the black non-controlled coastline of OTL Liberia? <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:03, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Well true, Oyo is nearly vassalized by Normandy according to the posts so it'd be unfair to him, but Nigeria is divided between Oyo, Ife and Benin. Normandy controls Oyo and Benin, so I guess you get Ife / Yorubaland. Have a look at the named map if you want clarification. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:33, June 16, 2013 (UTC)