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Long Island and the Outer Lands

 * BrianD's talkpage

Targets in New York


List Over-killing map Simulator (Another one)


 * Primary




 * Secondary


 * (all south of and west of  to state line)
 * (all south of and west of  to state line)


 * Tertiary



Other Random Ideas For The Hell Of It

 *  &mdash; While likely nothing more than disfigured raccoon carcass which washed up in Long Island, many rumors spread that it was something unnatural (from aliens to a genetic experiment). I find it amusing to think that had this happened ATL that it might be considered a mutated animal from the irradiated lands that were once New England. I would also like to assume that it might become the Outer Land's equivalent to Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, and the Chupacabra (almost a kind of national animal).


 *  and  &mdash; As an atheist, I find screwing around with religion in alternate history to be fun. The Branch Davidians were a religious group which believed that the end times were nearing. David Koresh was a leader who claimed to be the second coming of Jesus Christ. Koresh and his followers gained infamy in, for being held up in their compound and eventually setting their building on fire (or the government did it, wouldn't surprise me either way). Without knowing Koresh's location on Doomsday, I find it rather funny to assume he lives and the noting of the end times coming true and Koresh claiming to be the second coming eventually leads the Davidians to become a growing religious belief (on par to Christianity at its beginnings). Just a random idea, not sure if it already been looked into.




 *  &mdash; This is by far very nostalgic for me. I pretty much grew up near the memorial, and I believe we've passed by it on a regular basis when we lived there. I remember my aunt and parents would take us there all the time, I even remember calling it something like the "Ma Oreo" (childish way to say "memorial"). I've wanted to incorporate this into the timeline for some time, so I'm finally writing it down. Since it wasn't built until the early 1990s, it would not exist as in OTL. Instead it would become a "Doomsday Memorial" built more recently (the 2000s or 2010s maybe). I may still have it located in Farmingville (LI would officially annex all of Brookhaven by the late 2000s), and was built there to symbolize the lives lost but to act as a marker of hope on the farthest border of Long Island (also because of its central location in all of LI). If not than it could be somewhere else on LI.

Shoreham Nuclear Power Plant


The Shoreham Nuclear Power Plant was a nuclear power plant constructed in. It was the first (and only) nuclear plant to have been built on Long Island; and was proposed to help ease the power needs for Long Islanders and New Yorkers alike.

Despite being supported initially, three major events would doom the plant. The first was the 1979 accident at in, which caused initial fears over plant safety and fears over limited safely evacuating Long Islanders in a worst case scenario. The second was in 1985, in which  (the company who was also constructing the plant) was unable to restore power to Long Island for over a week (showing oversights on the company). The third and final event was the 1986 disaster at in the, which further ended the atomic age globally (let alone the United States).

Despite hopes to continue operation, even being allowed to operate low-level tests on the reactor in 1985, the Shoreham Nuclear Plant was decommissioned in 1989 (becoming the first nuclear plant to be decommissioned in the United States). It wouldn't be until 1994 that all the traces of nuclear fuel were removed from the site. In order to prevent the plant from being activates, New York State purchased LILCO (under the new LIPA company), and Long Islanders were taxed for the construction of the plant (which they continue to pay to this day).

But with a nuclear holocaust taking place in 1983, could the Shoreham plant been ironically saved? Here, I believe that it is plausible (if not optimistic).


 * Key arguments


 * Because of the plant's location in eastern Long Island, the energy complex would suffer little to no damage from the nuclear strikes in the west and north.


 * Despite delays, the Shoreham plant was practically completed by September 1983 (but officially completed in January 1984). While some construction would be needed after doomsday, nothing crucial was needed (such as the reactor). All that would be needed by the time I am considering the plant to be used is some checking, finishing up, and finally fuel (more on that in a second).


 * Fuel is a tricky thing to find. However, if Plymouth has a workable reactor in use, then I can assume it would be easy to have the Outer Lands have some access to nuclear fuel (aside from the obviously cliche "nuclear anything in western LI"). However, I came across in the page that they "worked with technicians from [these countries] to dismantle the plants and sell the nuclear materials to them for either safe disposal or use in their own energy programs."  It could be safe to assume that Delmarva and the Outer Lands could work together in this process (and the timeline seems workable from what I see).
 * By "working together" I mean that Delmarva would supply their unwanted nuclear fuel to the Shoreham Planet. I also leave open the possibility that Long Island offers the [now] out-of-work nuclear technicians from Delmarva to relocate and work at the Shoreham site (which some may take up on).
 * The two nuclear plants of Delmarva would've been the in Maryland and the  in New Jersey.


 * The only other issue would be the obvious support. Since Long Island's infrastructure was centered in the west (which is gone), and going about two decades without power would probably eliminate the "no nukes" mentality of Long Islanders (who in 1983 had a 70% approval of the plant) would most likely believe that powering the island was more beneficial then worrying about the fact that the plant would be powered by the same technology that destroyed half the world.


 * Timeline


 * 1983 &mdash; Doomsday has little affect on eastern Long Island, leaving the energy complex of the plant in tact and undamaged.


 * 1984 &mdash; Due to its technological importance, and fears that it could be used for terrorist uses, the Shoreham site is placed on guard (as was the Brookhaven National Laboratory and other sites in Brookhaven).


 * 1985–1996 &mdash; Aside from minor damage from Hurricane Gloria in 1985, animal habitation, and average dust and time; the Shoreham site would remain unaffected for over a decade.


 * 1997(ish) &mdash; With the "survivalist era" ending and the rise of "remodernization" taking place across the Outer Lands, the issue of powering the nation is asked. With announcements that Plymouth plans to reopen a nuclear plant, the fact that a nuclear plant was built in the Safety Zone of Long Island gains supportive grounds. Around the same time, Delmarva announces plans to decommission and dismantling of their (unworkable) nuclear plants, and offers to help.


 * 1998 &mdash; The Federal Assembly of the Outer Lands votes in favor of opening the Shoreham plant. About 20% of Long Islanders (about 15-25% of all Outlanders) opposed the announcement. The act also creates OLLCO (the Outer Lands Lighting Company), a government-owned energy company which will run the plant and work on the energy infrastructure across the Outer Lands.


 * 1999 &mdash; After months of inspections and tests, it is determined that the Shoreham site (aside from minor damage) was usable, with no damage to crucial systems already in place (including the reactor, the turbines, and the cooling systems). Construction begins to complete any needed repairs on the plant. At the same time, repairs are made on the power grid across eastern Long Island.


 * 2000 &mdash; Construction is completed. Within the year, the first shipments of nuclear fuel travels into the Long Island Sound. By the end of the year, the reactor is turned on for low-level testing, with all signs looking good.


 * 2001 &mdash; After months of testing and retesting, the Outer Lands allows for the complete use of the plant. In November, the plant goes fully online, and Long Island is bathed in power for the first time in decades.


 * Other notes


 * Nantucket had its own power station prior to 1996.


 * Interesting notes (for me)


 * The cylindrical building (the most noted structure in the energy complex) is/was the for the reactor (not the cooling tower as I previously thought).


 * The power plant was designed to use the waters of the to cool the turbines and reactor. This is called a Once-Through system (OT), and thereby means that the Shoreham plant would not have used a noted cooling tower structure (as the heated water is recycled back into the Sound).


 * Links


 * LILCO PLANS SAFETY FILTER AT SHOREHAM
 * Long Island Ruins
 * LIPA explores new uses for Shoreham nuclear plant site
 * California moves to ban once-through cooling
 * Generic Environmental Impact Statement for License Renewal of Nuclear Plants
 * Types of Nuclear Reactors
 * BWR – Boiling Water Reactors
 * A look at the Shoreham nuke protest, 30 years later
 * Nuclear Power – Yes Please!

Other power plants of the OL
I recently came to the realization that there exists several other power plants within the Outer Lands, with many having been built prior to Doomsday. Several of them are on Long Island, which leads me to reconsider the place of Shoreham ATL.


 * Power Plant Maps (INTERESTING)


 * Massachusetts (DETAILED)
 * New York (DETAILED)
 * Rhode Island (DETAILED)


 * Conclusion

Taking a quick look, it appears that most of these power plants require oil in order to run, with virtually all of them having low wattage capacity (compared to what Shoreham was designed for). Only Block Island, Long Island, and Martha's Vineyard would have power plants which could survive Doomsday and remain active. Cape Cod's sole power plant would both be damaged by Doomsday and within Plymouth's jurisdiction, while Nantucket was in the dark (at the time). While they could remain in operation, these plants may remain inactive for years, and may only be of little use depending on oil dependencies. Even if powered at full capacity, most plants only produce enough megawatts to power a few hundred homes (with may be diverted to primary buildings like hospitals and utilities). As for other potential power plants I may have missed, they were either more centered (such as garbage plants) or would've been aging by the 1980s (if not well within the electromagnetic range of the nuclear blasts).

The Shoreham plant was designed with over 800 MW in mind, which would help ease the need for oil and allow these other plants (at least on LI) to become less used. Since the government of the Outer Lands is on Block Island, it may be safe to assume a population increase, thereby a bigger demand of energy. An undersea cable would connect LI to BI, thereby extending Shoreham's range. While OLPA would run the utilities in Cape Cod, Plymouth's nuclear plant would provide power to the Cape. An undersea cable may also connect Nantucket to the grid (much like OTL today). Tensions with Plymouth may have cause some to promoted loosening CC/NT's demand on Plymouth (since it could be used in the same manner Russia is doing with its oil in Easter Europe), but the need to has diminished following 2012. Still other projects have been proposed, including wind farms off the coast of Cape Cod and Block Island (not to mention the installation of wind turbines at the Shoreham site).

Billy Joel within Doomsday


A couple of years ago I began an article about Billy Joel. As a big fan, I had many ideas in mind for him within this timeline, but have procrastinated on the article because I feared I was pushing an idea onto him when IRL he would not do so. I envisioned him as a political figure within Long Island and the Outer Lands (maybe even President), but this seems so unlike what I knew of him when I wrote the article. Just like with Valentina Tereshkova, I felt I was only seeing what I wanted to see. But I got to thinking today and decided to take another look at this idea, as well as what I envision him to be within this timeline.

First off, I'm a big fan of Billy Joel (as previously stated). First knowing about him from his role in , I quickly began listening to more of his songs. As I got older and began reading more about him, I came to realize we both have a lot in common. Excluding the fact that we're both Long Islanders, we both enjoy history (in fact I remember reading he initially considered becoming a history teacher), and we both have a fascination for Russia (he even became the first American to tour the Soviet Union in the 1980s). Now that I got these out of the way, on to the critiquing.

I'm unaware of the exact location of Joel on Doomsday (September 1983). His newest album, , had just been released and works were already underway for shooting the music video for "" (which took place in late September 1983 OTL). I'm simply speculating that he would've been at this residence in the, but I'm unaware whether he actually lived there at the time (I know he does now).

Assuming he is in eastern Long Island on Doomsday (which took place in the evening), he would very likely survive Doomsday as the Hamptons are unaffected. Also speculating that he would have a boat (I do know he has a thing for the fishing community of Long Island), I would like to think he would help in the evacuation of Long Islanders during the chaos, and would very likely continue to help by becoming part of the fisherman community. Years after the chaos, he emerges as a community leader and becomes active in politics. Unlike Tereshkova (whose political nature is vague), Joel is a liberal and supports the Democratic Party of the USA. Also given his support for the community, I can see him as a populist. This could lead to him becoming President of the Outer Lands (which is the ultimate prize).

Other than that, I don't have much else in mind. I do have the idea that he still releases the song "" ATL, as its imagery of the fisherman community slowly dying in the Long Island region could very easily turn into a patriotic song of how these men bravely fought to serve the people of the Outer Lands (I even have interest in making this the national anthem for the Outer Lands).

It may also be doubtful Joel meets and marries (who played the uptown girl in his music video for "Uptown Girl"). This would also mean Joel's daughter,, would likely not have been born. With Doomsday right within this juncture of Joel's life, this might mean he continues to have relations with (who "Uptown Girl" was initially written about), but the chaos could also lead to different realities.

I could also see (if the stars are aligned) Joel favoring a diplomatic trip to, thereby becoming the (potentially) first post-American leader to the former USSR (but I'm unaware if this title is currently taken).

A Rehashed Montauk Republic


Upon getting involved in the 1983: Doomsday timeline I began work on the Outer Lands area. However, I initially had in mind to effectively end the Outer Lands as an entity. This came about over the (what I would call initial) chaos over the canonization and arguments over (which has been over for years now). Since the caretaker of Plymouth favored a "New Plymouth Colony" (thereby claiming areas that were part of the Outer Lands), I suggested an idea which might help him and myself out. The plan would've had Plymouth gain not only Cape Cod, but also Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket. In exchange, Block Island and Long Island would remain together as the "Montauk Republic." BrianD initially gave his support, but the idea never came about (I don't really remember why).

Since my recent stay on the timeline, I've abandoned this idea in favor of a unified Outer Lands (with a Long Island bias added to it). Now with the recent retirement of BrianD, my Montauk Republic idea just came back to mind. However, my new idea involves simply restructuring the existing Outer Lands into a new nation called Montauk (I personally dislike the name "Outer Lands"). But to give better detail, here is my general history for this. It will involve rewriting the history of the Outer Lands (but shouldn't affect the canon of the timeline and surrounding regions a whole lot).



Following Doomsday (September 1983), Block Island, Cape Cod, Long Island, Martha's Vineyard, Nantucket, and remained close during the early year(s) of the 1980s. Due to their influence and population, Long Island and Plymouth emerged as the dominant powers over the region. Over time, Plymouth begins to move in its own direction and hopes to establish a "New Plymouth Colony" in the process. But due to accessibility, culture, and history; the remaining Massachusetts areas continued to show stronger ties with Long Island. In a "Mini Cold War" scenario, the five regions unite under a loose alliance known as the Outer Lands (or the "Montauk Pact/League," named after Montauk [where the alliance was signed]), which aimed to keep co-operation among these areas (especially since Plymouth would continue to claim Cape Cod until August 2012).

Throughout the 1980s, moves to strengthen the alliance gained support. By 1989, a new constitution is ratified, establishing the "Montauk Republic" (known as Montauk for short). Unlike the alliance (and the canon of the Outer Lands), the Montauk Republic would be a "decentralized unitary state" (somewhat akin to France). While initially remaining in Montauk, the capital would be relocated in New Shoreham (Block Island) as means to help rejuvenate the island and give a more centralized location for the capital. The government-owned power company (in charge of the Shoreham Planet and all power related services across the nation) would be called MRLCO (Montauk Republic Lighting Company [merl-ko]). The new flag I have in mind (regardless) would be a solid red flag with a single white start in the canton. The flag is loosely based on the Huntington flag (Long Island) and the flag of New England (both based on the Red Ensign of Great Britain).

2.0
Following feedback on this idea (i.e., bad), here is a new version which will be worked on.

Virtually everything will remain the same up until 1989 (when I had the Republic form). The only change is that the OL would be comparable to the Articles of Confederation in that the boroughs aren't independent but it doesn't act like a completely sovereign state at the time. Moves to further federalize would gain ground by the 1990s, with a new [federal] constitution happening either in the mid '90s (believing a federation would happen earlier than a unitary state) or by the late '00s. I give up on it being a unitary state (I though they would've supported it), and just going to make it a stronger federation (as opposed to it being an association of states). I will also alter the symbols around a bit, but I don't believe I'm forgetting anything.

The only variables that haven't been answered are:


 * Is a population in the 100,000s too much?
 * Presidency of ?

Legislature of the Montauk Republic
The Federal Assembly would have around 30 to 45 seats, which are distributed among the boroughs based roughly on population and equality (I'm seeing something roughly in between the HoR and the Senate of the [former] USA). Each borough is divided into constituencies which correspond to the number of representatives each borough sends to the [legislature]. The representatives are democratically elected by the residence of that district, and they are entitled to serve a six-year term (with elections being held every two years).


 * Political parties


 * Conservative Party
 * Green Party
 * Liberal Party
 * Libertarian Party
 * Socialist Party

Demonyms
Not sure what the people of the Outer Lands would be called.


 * Outer Lander, Outer-Lander

Presidential ideas

 * (MA)
 * (RI)
 * (RI)
 * (MA)
 * (MA)
 * (MA)
 * (NY)
 * (NY)
 * (NY)
 * (NY)

13 Fallen Stars: Unorganized



 * State ideas for
 * Cimarron
 * Cimarron


 * (colors)
 * Term lengths by state
 * 


 * Have Alaska remain part of Russia, have it get more territory, and divide the area north (Yukon) and south (Alaska).

New Netherland: The Empire State

 * Main article: 



The Union of New Netherland will also become an imperial power.


 * "Antarctic Territory"
 * (excluding, , and )
 * (excluding, , and )


 * Micronesia


 * Fiji


 * (joint operation)
 * (protectorate)
 * (protectorate)


 * Union of New Netherland
 * Contiguous New Netherland
 * (excluding )
 * New Netherlander Antilles
 * Curacao
 * (excluding and )
 * Statia
 * (excluding and )
 * Statia
 * (excluding and )
 * Statia
 * Statia


 * Timeline


 * 1861 &mdash; Scandinavian West Indies
 * 1875 &mdash; Dutch West Indies
 * 1881 &mdash; Trouble starts in Spanish Colonies
 * 1883 &mdash; Spanish Colonies bought
 * Marshall Islands?
 * 1884/1885 &mdash; Fiji and Tuvalu annexed
 * 1885/1886 &mdash; Protectorate over Tonga
 * 1892 &mdash; Takeover of islands from new Venezuelan state


 * New Netherlander explorers


 * (maybe)
 * (maybe)


 * (potential)
 * (potential)

Timeline for New Netherland and her Empire

 * Events in italic are not related to New Netherland, but are crucial enough to be mentioned (as of now).


 * October 1787 &mdash; The ends with no agreement, and bitterness towards there being a successful union between the former colonies.


 * November 9, 1787 &mdash; The declares their independence from the United States of America (becoming one of the first states to do so).


 * March 24, 1788 &mdash; The are officially voided, ending the United States of America. The  officially becomes independent.


 * Late 1788 &mdash; Discussions between the begin on whether to form a rump USA between them. Proposed by, the goals of this union were to compete against Virginia and the New England states. The proposed union never materialized, effectively ending by 1790 (after the death of Franklin, and the ongoing war in Vermont).


 * Mid 1789 &mdash; The states of Connecticut, New Hampshire, and Massachusetts (which at the time included Aroostook and Maine) sign the Hartford Convention, establishing the . Rhode Island would join in 1790, and Vermont by 1792.


 * Late 1789 &mdash; Due to growing tensions between New York and New England, New York troops enter into Vermont to assert their claim to the region. New England supports and aids the Vermont Republic. The begins.


 * 1790 &mdash; (Vermont War) A battalion lead by (a member of the Mohawk Tribe, and the only Native American to serve a high rank during the American Revolution), lead a successful campaign to push Vermont troops out of modern day Adirondack and Schenectady. In what became known as the Battle of the Hudson, New York was able to keep Vermont (and New England) from gaining access to the Hudson River.


 * 1791 &mdash; Within both New Jersey and New York, two secession movements form around this time:
 * Residents in eastern Long Island (primarily ) establish themselves as the "Long Island Boys." In response to the success in Vermont, the group hoped to gain the independence of Long Island (with prospects of them becoming part of New England). The group only gained support in eastern Long Island (with the west supporting New York). With the conclusion of the war nearing, the group gained little support in New England, and only angered those in New York.
 * While New Jersey remained neutral in the Vermont War, many Jerseyites from the northeast volunteered on behalf of New York. Those in the southwest wanted nothing to do with the war. With rumors that New Jersey would soon enter the war (a rumor which was not true), the state became divided based on . Those in the southwest declared the reestablishment of the long lost province of, going as far to show support in uniting with (which at the time was finalizing its federation with Delaware).


 * Late 1791 &mdash; New England and New York sign the Treaty of Providence, ending the Vermont War. As part of the treaty:
 * New York recognizes the independence of the Vermont Republic. The border between New York and Vermont is finalized, giving New York a 20 mile corridor east of the Hudson River, then using to complete the border.
 * New York agrees to transfer its claims west of the and the  (the ) to New England, in exchange for New England relinquishing any remaining claims to the areas within New York (the  and the  [if it existed by this point]). This makes the 1786  null and void.
 * New England agreed not to support any secession movements within New York (the so called "Long Island Boys").


 * June 26, 1792 &mdash; After months of discussions, New Jersey and New York agree to unite under the temporary "Union of New York and New Jersey." During the conventions to establish a constitution, the following topics are agreed upon:
 * Long Island and West Jersey would be allowed membership in the union (establishing a union of four states).
 * The upstate portion of New York (north of Albany County and west of the Delaware River) would be transferred to the new federal government (creating the "District of Albany"). In part for its lose, it is agreed to have become the capital for the new nation.
 * Border disputes between New York and New Jersey are finalized, with NY agreeing to sell (Staten Island) to New Jersey.
 * The new legislature (the Federal Assembly) would be based on the the proposed plan by (the ), which would give each state equal representation (regardless of size, population, or land ownership).
 * A proposal was made by war hero to reestablish the territory which Great Britain set aside for the Six Nations of the, creating a fifth state for both Iroquois and white settlers. While this proposal was not adopted, the basis of which would reemerge years later.


 * Late 1792 &mdash; All four states ratify the new constitution. Prior to which, the name of the new nation was changed to the (after the  which occupied the same region). The remnants of New Jersey and New York (which both lost territory as part of the new constitution) were renamed East Jersey and Hudson (respectively).


 * November 1792 &mdash; The first presidential elections take place. Former New York Governor (and known anti-federalist) wins in a landslide victory (winning the majority in all four states).


 * 1805 &mdash; The District of Albany is divided into four entities. The Capital District (a diamond-shaped plot of land in which the capital and federal government claims), the Schenectady Territory (the area effectively east of the Susquehanna River), and the Iroquois Territory (the westernmost portion of the nation). Despite its name (and being loosely based on a proposal by Joseph Louis Cook), the Iroquois Territory was only in Iroquois in name, and set aside for primarily white settlers (rather than a joint Iroquois-White state, as proposed by Cook). Despite this, Cook was appointed as the first territorial governor (a post he would hold until his tragic death in 1814). Cook continued to work with the federal government, and convincing many tribes to sell territory to Albany.


 * July 4, 1817 &mdash; Construction begins on the (a canal stretching from the Hudson River (via the Mohawk River) to Lake Erie (via the Niagara River).


 * October 26, 1825 &mdash; The Erie Canal is completed. The construction is seen as a major event in the administration of.


 * 1830 &mdash; The area west of the (mostly part of the  at the time) is admitted as the State of Niagara (the fifth state).


 * 1834 &mdash; The southern-half of the Schenectady Territory is admitted as the State of Schenectady. The remaining portions become the new Adirondack Territory.


 * 1837 &mdash; Revolution breaks out in . After the success of the revolution (and the independence of ) by 1840, many of the exiled Iroquois communities trekked back south to New Netherland (becoming a regional problem in the coming decade).


 * 1845 &mdash; With an increase in the Iroquois population in New Netherland (added with the increased White population along the Erie Canal), the territory demands statehood. Supported by President, statehood was eventually allowed after the agreement to divide the territory. The southern portion would become the new Genessee Territory, and the area north of the Black River was transferred to the Adirondack Territory. The State of Iroquois was admitted later in the year.


 * 1863 &mdash; agrees to sell their colonial possessions in the West Indies (the ) to New Netherland. The purchase becomes one of the major events of the, and is seen as the beginning towards the New Netherlander Colonial Empire.


 * 1876 &mdash; The agree to sell the Dutch West Indies (the ) to New Netherland. The islands are incorporated into the "New Netherlander West Indies," with the capital moving to  years later.


 * 1878 &mdash; offers to sell  (Saint Barts) to New Netherland. The island is incorporated into the New Netherlander West Indies.


 * 1881 &mdash; Tensions between Spain and many of her dominions in the Americas leads to revolutions in many (most noted would be Venezuela).


 * 1883 &mdash; In a radical move in part of the, Spain agrees to sell portions of her empire to New Netherland. The acquired territory includes the (Micronesia [not including the Philippines]), and  . This purchase gives New Netherland a footing in the Pacific and in Africa, leading New Netherland into the  age.


 * 1885 &mdash; New Netherland annexes and the  (Tuvalu).


 * 1886 &mdash; In an agreement with the, the island nation becomes a protectorate of New Netherland.

Timeline for New Netherland and her Empire 2.0

 * November 9, 1787 &mdash; New York declares secession from the Articles of Confederation.


 * March 24, 1788 &mdash; The USA dissolves. New Jersey gains independence.


 * Late 1788 &mdash; Talks for a unification of NJ and NY begin. War delays and alters unification moves.


 * November 1792 &mdash; New Netherland is established. New Jersey divides between east and west. Long Island becomes a state. Richmond County is sold to East Jersey. Upstate NY is given to the new federal government. The rump-NY becomes Hudson.


 * 1801 &mdash; The territories of Iroquois and Schenectady are established. Albany becomes a federal district.


 * 1805 &mdash; Schenectady gains statehood. The rest of the territory becomes the Adirondack Territory and the larger Capital District.


 * 1829 &mdash; Niagara gains statehood (splitting off from the Iroquois Territory).


 * 1836 &mdash; Iroquois gains statehood. The southern part of the territory becomes the Genessee Territory, with portions of the north being merged into the Adirondack Territory.


 * 1857 &mdash; Genessee gains statehood.


 * 1863 &mdash; Virgin Islands purchased.


 * 1872 &mdash; Adirondack gains statehood.


 * 1876 &mdash; Dutch East Indies purchased.


 * 1878 &mdash; St. Barts purchased.


 * 1880 &mdash; Caribbean islands united into the Curazao Territory.


 * 1883 &mdash; Spanish territory is purchased in Africa and the Pacific


 * 1898 &mdash; Bioko, Curazao, Fiji, and Micronesia gain territorial status. Islands off the coast of Venezuela annexed into Curazao.


 * 1900 &mdash; Tonga regains independence as a protectorate.


 * 1901 &mdash; Boundaries in Africa are finalized.


 * 1913 &mdash; NN Antarctic Territory established.


 * 1926 &mdash; African territories are united into the Biafra Territory.


 * 1958 &mdash; Curazao gains statehood. The rest of the territory becomes thee Statia Territory.


 * 1960 &mdash; Statia gains statehood.

Presidents in 13 Fallen Stars
{{legend|pink|Carolina}} {{legend|lightblue|Virginia}} {{legend|lightgreen|New England}} {{legend|lightsalmon|New Netherland}} {{legend|wheat|Pennsylvania}} {{legend|lightgrey|Others}}


 * Notes


 * The is hard to figure out. The patriarch  is from New Jersey, Samuel's son  was born in Ohio because of his father's work, and Prescot's son and grandson ( and ) were born in Massachusetts and Connecticut (respectively). From that, the family can be either New Netherlander, Pennsylvanian, and or New Englander (roughly in order).
 * The family seems to be more New Netherlander than New Englander. This may also be interesting to work into, since Prescot Bush is a suspect in the "failed" against Franklin D. Roosevelt.


 * was the first (and only) President born in California. However, given that both his parents originate from Ohio, and that he and his family were Quakers, I believe it is safe to assume Nixon may have been Pennsylvanian had the cards play right.


 * LG has helped out along

Candidates
With the multitude of nations, many presidential candidates in OTL may have better luck in their nations. Here are a few candidates.


 * Al Gore was born in DC. His father was a Senator from Tennessee, but his family originates from Virginia prior to the Revolutionary War. Likely, his family would probably remain in Virginia. This definitely eliminates the obvious nature of him being the VP of Carolinian-born Bill Clinton.


 * Hillary Clinton's mother would probably be Canadian. Given her troubled life, she may very well leave and comes across Pennsylvanian-born Hugh Rodham. Though the connections towards her being Pennsylvanian is pretty close, as her family tree has Virginian, Tennessean, and English on her father's side.

The Imperial Federation of 13 Fallen Stars



 * Dominions


 * Italic = Special dominions (not "settler colonies")


 * 1)  (flag idea)
 * 1)  (flag idea)
 * 1)  (flag idea)
 * 1)  (flag idea)
 * 1)  (flag idea)
 * 1)  (flag idea)
 * 1)  (flag idea)
 * 1)  (flag idea)
 * 1)  (flag idea)


 * Crown Colonies




 * Crown Dependencies


 * 1)  (not sure what it would be classified as)
 * 1)  (not sure what it would be classified as)
 * 1)  (not sure what it would be classified as)
 * 1)  (not sure what it would be classified as)


 * Protectorates




 * Potential


 * Dominions
 * (possible crown colony[s])
 * (possible crown colony[s])
 * (possible crown colony[s])


 * Crown Colonies
 * (crown colony)
 * (crown colony)
 * (crown colony)
 * (crown colony)
 * (crown colony)
 * (crown colony)


 * Protectorates


 * Not likely


 * (protectorate or independent)
 * (Palestine)
 * (Prussian?)
 * (Palestine)
 * (Prussian?)
 * (Prussian?)
 * (Prussian?)
 * (Prussian?)
 * (Prussian?)
 * (Prussian?)


 * (still French?)

New infobox for the states of New Netherland

 * Populations are based on OTL, and will be altered to express a larger population and internal migrations.


 * Population


 * 1) Hudson
 * 2) Niagara
 * 3) East Jersey
 * 4) Iroquois
 * 5) Long Island
 * 6) Schenectady
 * 7) West Jersey
 * 8) Genesee
 * 9) Adirondack
 * 10) Curazao
 * 11) Capital District
 * 12) Statia

Louisiana for 13
This will be expanded later, but I found this and need to write it for later research.

With my original idea for Canada likely to be gone soon, I take some comfort that at the very least, my idea would still work for Louisiana (I do hope that is what you meant by "Louisiana would work as a destination, though, for revolutionaries" [I assume you will be reading this, LG]).

In the short, Louisiana wins independence as a French-speaking republic. But with the loss of Canada, and a recent find, I may alter the timeline on when they gain independence. My original idea was around the late 1830s/early '40s (around the same time as the Mackenzie Rebellion in Canada). Now I may be looking towards the late 1810s/early '20s.

My reasoning involves enough lag for fleeing revolutionaries from France to enter Louisiana, it corresponds (more or less) to when the the other Latin American revolutions would be taking place (which all fail here, excluding Carolina's gains in the Floridas).

I also came across someone who may be a potential leader towards independence. was Governor of Louisiana OTL, as well as serving in the French army. His father (who was also a general) was executed by the new Spanish government, and played a minor role during the War of 1812. He might be an interesting figure to look further into.


 * Potential presidents




 * From LG



The American Republics and the British


For a while now, I have been trying to organize what the relationships between the American Republics (the former United States of America) and the British would be like. With the recent addition of Canada as a dominion (from what I had previously), I feel it should be appropriate to lay out my thoughts on the matter.

The obvious two categories would be those who have good relations, and those with bad relations. I have no doubt that by today (and throughout the 20th Century, if not earlier) all the American Republics would have good relations with the contemporary United Commonwealth. This primarily discusses relations in the 18th and 19th Centuries, and how they evolved into what they are today.


 * Carolina


 * Maryland


 * New England


 * New Netherland

I believe that would have strained relations with the British throughout much of the 19th Century. Much of this would come from resentment of British occupation of the New York City region during the Revolutionary War, and a move to establish themselves as a distinctive region (this includes the adoption of "Netherland" in their name).

Though for the most part, much of this anti-British feel would not be centered around them, but one of their biggest allies: New England. Albany's relations with Boston would be highly strained after the Vermont War &mdash; in which New York lost Vermont and their claims to the disputed Northwestern Territory. While the British had no real part in the Vermont War, the British would gain much of the blame (especially since NN's claim to the NWT did end up being British in the end).

New Netherland's growing power within North America would eventually lead to better relations. After the completion of the Erie Canal and the failed revolt in Canada; the British looked to have good relations with New Netherland for economic and security reasons.

Relations would begin to get positive by the 1880s. New Netherland money and industry is used to help build up British North America (including the first Transcontinental Railway from Canada to Colombia). New Netherland's growing global power and their own moves towards imperialism gained little opposition form the British, leading to territorial compromises.

Today, New Netherland and the United Commonwealth are the two dominant powers in the Americas.


 * Pennsylvania


 * Virginia

Asia at it stands in 13
This is just a quick bullet point on what is pretty much going to become canon in Asia. Stuff in italic face represent topics I am not sure about (not necessarily canon).


 * The will expand to include , , and.
 * Parts Manchuria (the and a land connection to Korea) go to Japan.
 * Not sure whether Russia would only include all of, or simply (which was the only parts within Russia's sphere of influence).


 * The wi include, the , , and parts of Manchuria (see above).


 * will become a dominion of the.
 * Hong Kong would also expand about 20 miles inland.


 * will be incorporated into the.


 * will gain independence.
 * Not sure whether it would include or only a smaller area.


 * will regain complete sovereignty and independence from the European spheres of influence as a republic.


 * ,, , , and parts of will be divided between , , and the.
 * France and Portugal retain their claims, and all are incorporated into that nation.
 * is divided into several dominions and crown colonies within the United Commonwealth.


 * and southern (to be renamed "") will gain independence as republics. Portions of northern Pakistan are merged into Afghanistan (which will most likely remain a monarchy).


 * will remain a, and will be incorporated into the Netherlands as "Ceylon."


 * The will remain a protectorate of the United Commonwealth.


 * will be divided up into several Dutch countries (dominions) and two sultanates.


 * will remain Portuguese, and will be incorporated into the kingdom.


 * will gain independence.


 * Both the British and Dutch claims on will gain independence and unite into a single nation.
 * Not sure whether they would become a republic.


 * and will remain independent monarchies under the names of "Persia" and "Siam" (respectively).


 * The British claims in are incorporated into the United Commonwealth.
 * The emirates of the, , and are incorporated as crown colonies.
 * Not completely sure about, and .

Wars in 13

 * Defined


 * (1789-1791)
 * French Revolt (1789-1792)
 * Haitian Revolution (1791-1800s)
 * (1795-1797)
 * First Latin American Revolutions (1800s)
 * Fifth Anglo-Dutch War (1800s)
 * Louisianan Revolution (1810s)
 * West Florida Revolution (1810s)
 * Rebellions of 1837 (1837-1838)
 * "Revolutions of 1848" (1840s)
 * (1861-1863)
 * Second Latin American Revolutions (1880s-1890s)
 * Venezuela War (1890s)
 * Sino-Japanese War (1894-1895)
 * Chinese Revolution (1911)
 * Liberia War (1980s)


 * Potential

Portugal in 13



 * "States"




 * (may exclude )
 * (see )
 * (see )
 * (see )
 * (see )
 * (see )
 * (see )
 * (see )


 * Potential names


 * Portuguese Commonwealth/Community &mdash; originally used on this timeline, and also found here and here
 * (see also ).
 * Comunidade Portuguesa
 * Lusitanic Commonwealth
 * Comunidade Lusitânica
 *  Kingdom of Portugal.


 * Naming rationalizing

The term "Lusitania" (and all which relates to it) tends to be in common use for Portugal and other areas of the former Portuguese Empire. With that, it doesn't seem that odd for the empire to rename itself upon becoming an imperial federation under the Britannic-lines. In comparison:


 * "Batavia" (the Netherlands) was once used, but was more used by the pro-French puppet government during the Napoleonic Wars. Also in contemporary comparison, the Kingdom of the Netherlands in Dutch is called Nederlanden ("Netherlands") while the European nation itself is called Nederland ("Netherland").


 * "Britannia" in many cases may be used in the United Commonwealth.


 * "Gaul" for France doesn't appear to be in any use (with the exception of Charles de Gaulle).


 * JUST REMEMBER FOR LATER

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/French_Union_%28Twilight_of_a_New_Era%29

Overview
Much like what the United States adopted OTL, New Netherland would establish an electoral collage as the means of electing a president. The only noticeable difference is that each state (despite their population) has the same number of delegates. This would go back to how the legislature of New Netherland would be established, in which all the states are equal (following the Articles of Confederation and the New Jersey Plan).

Under the current set-up, each state receives 27 electoral votes, with the Capital District (Albany) receiving three. Every state (if not the majority) use the "winner-take-all" stategy, in which a candidate needs only to win half of the popular vote and one to receive all the electoral votes of that state. In effect, the candidate to win the majority of states wins the election. It is a crazy idea that suffers the flaws of OTL (including gerrymandering, Red/Blue states, and the possibility of the popular vote not matching with the electoral vote). Because of this system, it encouraged the admission of an odd number of states (to prevent a tie in the electoral collage).


 * Maroon (Progressive) states


 * Hudson
 * Niagara


 * Teal (Liberty) states


 * Iroquois
 * West Jersey


 * Swing states


 * East Jersey
 * Genesee

Russian America: To-Do-List

 * AHC Willardo Romney sworn in as Mexico's president (interesting idea)


 * Redo the Republics of Russia:0:0
 * Presidential and political party suggestions


 * Redo States of the United States:0:0 and territories


 * Reconsider Borealia:0:0


 * Redo States of Polynesia:0:0


 * Redo subdivisions of Japan:0:0


 * Re-examine Germany and Italy


 * Possibly bring back Tahuantinsuyo:0:0
 * Explore Chile without getting Bolivian-Peru territories


 * Rename Queen Charlotte:0:0?


 * Other ideas


 * (Аляскинские авиалинии, Alyaskinskiye avialinii)
 * (Горизонт, Gorizont')
 * Gorizont:0:0
 * Gorizont-Alaskan Airlines (possible combined name like "Aeroflot - Russian Airlines")
 * Горизонт – Аляскинские авиалинии, Gorizont - Alyaskinskiye avialinii)
 * 


 * Chukotka US-Russian Heritage Flag


 * File:Russian_Sloop-of-War_Neva.jpg


 * Links


 * http://www.cherylannestapp.com/fort-ross/
 * http://www.russianwashingtonbaltimore.com/en/node/22629
 * http://newmnflag.com/2008/01/15/flags-of-other-states-in-question/
 * http://zebratigerfish.blogspot.com/2012/06/american-mexican-state-heritage-flags.html

Plains, Trains, and Automobiles

 * A bridge or tunnel connecting Baranof Island (New Archangel) with the rest of the country would have a length around the same as the in Denmark or the.
 * Climate and ice may be an issue.
 * It may be easier to have a connection through Yakutat via the . Though this would mean going close to a glacier.

Olympic games held in Alaska

 * &mdash; (bid)
 * &mdash; (offered)
 * &mdash; (bid)
 * &mdash; (bid)
 * &mdash; (won)


 * Updates


 * Given that Vancouver was a loosing bid in 1976 (being in fourth place) and Whistler was only offered the games after Coloradans voted against hosting the games. Likely just leave this alone.


 * I'm rather surprised that Anchorage not only bid to host the games, but did surprisingly well in almost winning the games in 1992 and 1994 (with talks of future bids for the 2020s). While weak in '92, its bid for the '94 games showed success, winning third place (beating Sofia, Bulgaria). Given that the city would be part of nation that hasn't hosted the games by this point (Noway hosted the games in 1952 and Sweden in 1912), Alaska may win in '94. Anchorage wouldn't exist ATL, so likely it would be either Saint Nicholas (Kenai) or Vasiliysk (Wasilla). The former is more popular IMHO.


 * It is already canon that Vladikaskady (Eugene) hosts the 2010 games. Though I'm now debating whether to have it hosted in New Westminster:0:0 instead (which is OTL Vancouver).

Nuclear power in Alaska

 * (WA)
 * (AK)
 * (WA)
 * (OR)

Design of the Chervonets
The chervonets would depict early explorers and administrators of the Pacific Northwest. While mostly Russians, other explorers (American, British, and Spanish) may also be represented). The reverse would depict a landmark based on the region that person explored.


 * People of interest (year of key explorations)


 * (1740s)
 * (1780s)
 * (1800s)
 * (1790s)
 * (1790s)
 * (1810s)
 * (1810s)


 * List

Alaskan and Russian Antarctica

 * See also: File:All Antarctic Claims past and present.PNG and Expeditions map



With a larger say globally, the Russian Empire would stake a larger say in Antarctica (nothing major, just more than OTL). This will culminate in Russia formalizing their claims by the early 1900s. The Russians would claim the areas discovered and charted by (who was the first European to sight the continent in 1820), which correspond roughly to the same area currently under dispute between Argentina, Chile, and the United Kingdom (OTL).

After the collapse of the Russian Empire, both Alaska and the Soviet Union claim the territory. Aside from both sides moving to legitimize their claim with surveys and stunts (not to mention the collapse of the USSR), nothing has been done to resolve this dispute (at least between these two).

For the most part, the rest of Antarctica would be the same. The only exceptions would be that Alaska and Russia make claims (in which the Antarctic Peninsula is now disputed by five state), Peter I Island is not claimed by Norway, and the US goes further and claims.


 * Historic notes


 * Prior to the collapse of the Russian Empire, its Antarctic claims were not organized into a territory. The Alaskans and the Soviets would be the first to organize it.


 * "Alaskan Antarctic Territory"


 * Under Alaskan law, their Antarctic territory is an "organized unincorporated oblast." In affect, this makes their Antarctic claim similar to how Guam and Puerto Rico act within the United States (OTL).
 * Under the Alaskan constitution, an oblast is regarded similarly to how they were under the Russian Empire (i.e., a territory).


 * A base within the claim may act as a capital of sorts, though the majority of the territorial governing would be done in Alaska (likely New Archangel).


 * Potential names (aside from the "Alaskan Antarctic Territory") could be "Alexander Land" (based on the historic name of Alexander I Island). I will be ignoring any name based on "Bellingshausen" (due to my other timelines and projects which use the name ).


 * "Soviet/Russian Antarctic Territory"


 * Under the Soviet Union, the territory may likely be administrated as part of the Russian SFSR (i.e., not a union-wide territory, or is at least vague in this respect). Maybe something along the lines of an "autonomous krai" (krai commonly being translated as "territory"). See also .


 * After the collapse, the Russian Federation would take control of the territory. Under Russian law, it may be similar (in comparison) to what and  are to Russia (but considered more a part of Russia). The term "autonomous krai" or "autonomous territory" may remain in affect.

Electoral college of Alaska

 * Flag of Alaska.svg Aleutia:0:0 &mdash; 7
 * Flag of Bering (Russian America).svg Bering:0:0 &mdash; 8
 * Flag of Charlotte (Russian America).svg Charlotte:0:0 &mdash; 11
 * Flag of Columbia (Russian America).svg Columbia:0:0 &mdash; 33
 * Flag of the Far North (Russian America).svg Far North:0:0 &mdash; 6
 * Flag.svg New Archangel:Federal District:0 &mdash; 4
 * Flag of Idaho (Russian America).svg Idaho:0:0 &mdash; 15
 * Flag of Kenai (Russian America).svg Kenai:0:0 &mdash; 19
 * Flag of Kodiak (Russian America).svg Kodiak:0:0 &mdash; 9
 * Flag of New Caledonia (Russian America).svg New Caledonia:0:0 &mdash; 18
 * Flag of New Irkutsk (Russian America).svg New Irkutsk:0:0 &mdash; 8
 * Oregonian New Flag Contest Winner.svg Oregon:0:0 &mdash; 35
 * Flag of Shelikof (Russian America).svg Shelikof:0:0 &mdash; 19
 * Russian Border Guard.svg Sitka:0:0 &mdash; 20
 * California Lone Star Flag 1836.svg Sonoma:0:0 &mdash; 28
 * Flag of Tongass (Russian America).svg Tongass:0:0 &mdash; 11
 * Flag of Vancouver Island.svg Vancouver:0:0 &mdash; 14
 * Flag of Yakutat (Russian America).svg Yakutat:0:0 &mdash; 8
 * Flag of Yukon (Russian America).svg Yukon:0:0 &mdash; 10


 * Flag of Alaska (Russian America).svg Alaska:0:0 &mdash; 283

Expansion of the Russia Federation

 * See also: Russia's territorial comeback and Ukraine splits


 * Note to LG

Not sure what you'll make of this idea, but as always, I do request that you take it easy if this makes no sense. I look forward to your reply.


 * Background

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, there has been several attempts to reunify much of the Soviet Union back together in one form or another. While none of these projections have taken place, to me there appears to be enough opening that reunification may be possible ATL. While no USSR, the most likely reunification would include Russia expanding into former Soviet republics which would support such reunification.


 * Keys


 * becomes President of Russia in 1993. Along with being more "Soviet" in comparison to Yeltsin, Rutskoy has expressed his support for the break-away republics of the former USSR: including the and  (as well as threatening to bomb Tbilisi over the South Ossetia issue during his Vice Presidency OTL). While I can find nothing which states his support for their annexation into Russia, to me this doesn't seem too far off (especially since much of these break-away regions are pro-Russian and wouldn't be viable as independent states without outside help).


 * Belarus' leader has expressed his interest towards a merger of Belarus and Russia. Though as the years moved on, the idea of reunification is gradually loosing support over the idea of a "Eurasian Union." Given Rutskoy's similar political standings towards Lukashenko, a merger before 2000 may be possible.
 * Lukashenko wouldn't want a unification with Russia? From my point of view, the opposite would've been the fact (i.e., Russia isn't willing to reunite while Belarus pushes it, and the time it hasn't happen left Lukashenko to realize how good he has it in an independent nation]). But I suppose something could happen with a civil war right next door.


 * Areas of interest



Other "areas of interest" could include and Manchuria:0:0 (both of which would have sizable Russian populations), and possibly (though very unlikely). Though I personally doubt these two regions should be included, especially since both would likely remain major allies of Russia and establish post-Soviet governments which the Russian residence would likely support (Kazakhstan relocated their capital further north to be closer to the Russian population).


 * WIP timeline


 * 1993 &mdash; Rutskoy becomes President. Russia's neighbors become nervous.


 * ~1995 &mdash; Russia adopts a new constitution that establishes itself as a federation of equal republics. Around the same time, a referendum takes place in Belarus, in which the people vote in favor of integration into Russia. The break-away republics also push for referendums to take place.

Alaskan dialects of the Russian language


The within Alaska:0:0 is divided into several dialects which vary across the nation. In general, Alaskan Russian is partially similar to the dialects spoken in the Russian Far East. As a whole, the dialects combine elements from, , , , , , and the many native Alaskan languages.

The following list is a rough idea, combining vague boundaries and names. I also included how I would envision these dialects to be acted upon the Alaskan people.


 * Aleutian &mdash; Comprised of the islands of Aleutia:0:0, the dialects combines many elements of the . Due in part to its isolation from the rest of the nation, the dialect is often described as being hard to understand (especially by Russian speakers) and is often described as being a creole language. The best example would be how distinctive -speakers are to other English speakers. This dialect may also have its roots with the of OTL.


 * Beringian &mdash; Spoken in Bering:0:0, Shelikof:0:0, and parts of New Irkutsk:0:0; the dialects is mostly centered around the Bering Sea and the river systems which flow to it. Colloquially, this dialects is often described as a "traitorous" and "communist" speech. This is due to this being the core of the Alaskan Socialist Republic:0:0, and can be seen similar to how can be seen in the US.


 * Yukonian &mdash; Spoken in the Far North:0:0, the Yukon:0:0, and the core of New Irkutsk:0:0; the dialect focuses on the Upper Yukon River region. In many cases, the dialect is betrayed as being a "prospector" or "mountain man" dialect. It should also be noted that the growing diversity in the Far North can make this area vague in what dialect it is.


 * Gulf &mdash; Spoken in Kenai:0:0, Kodiak:0:0, southern New Irkutsk:0:0, and possibly parts of Shelikof:0:0; this dialect is the direct decedent of/or is the dialect (which is slowly going extinct OTL). The dialect is often seen as being "religious" in nature (once again comparing it to Southern American English).


 * New Russian &mdash; Spoken in Charlotte:0:0, New Archangel:0:0, New Caledonia:0:0, Sitka:0:0, Tongass:0:0, and Yakutat:0:0; this dialect stretches across New Russia (focusing more on the Alexander Archipelago and coastal mountains). Because of the large immigration from Fenno-Scandinavia, this dialect combines many Scandinavian and Finnish words. For better or worse, this dialect is often described as being political.


 * Columbian &mdash; Spoken in Columbia:0:0 and Vancouver:0:0, this dialect focuses on the northern bank of the Columbia River, the lower Fraser River, and the . English plays a key role in the dialect. It is often described as being the "New Albion" or "Doug" dialect.


 * Oregonian &mdash; Spoken in western Oregon:0:0 (mostly the region).


 * Idahoan &mdash; Spoken across Idaho:0:0 and the Oregon:Oregon Panhandle:0, this dialect focuses on the and upper Columbia River. This dialect may have great influence from the  dialect. It's often betrayed as being "hillbilly" in nature, as well as being the dialect of Alaskan Mormons.


 * Sonoman &mdash; Spoken in Sonoma:0:0. The way I see this dialect would be like asking a Russian to mimic a Californian accent (dude, rad, gnarly, etc.). It's often betrayed as being "hippie" in nature.

Key missions



 * &mdash; A proposed mission from NASA which would've utilized the and a human habitation module which would've replaced the s (LMs) used during the Manned Moon missions. The first launch window would've happened in 1973, with a flyby and return by 1974.


 * &mdash; A proposed Soviet manned Venus flyby, using similar methods to that of the American idea. The Soviet mission would've launched in 1971, but would've also included a Mars flyby. The TMK-E mission (which would've happened in the 1960s) was a proposed manned landing on Mars, and would've required multiple N1 launches and the construction of an interplanetary "space station" in orbit.

Key dates from OTL
The following is a list of key events from OTL that pertain to Venus and potential ATL events.


 * 1645 &mdash; Italian is the first person to sight the supposed satellite of Venus.


 * 1672 &mdash; Italian/French is the second to note a potential satellite of Venus. He didn't make notes of it until 1686 when he sights the possible satellite again.


 * 1761 &mdash; Russian discovers that Venus has an atmosphere.


 * 1962 &mdash; American  becomes the first man-made object to flyby Venus.


 * 1965 &mdash; Soviet  becomes the first man-made object to impact Venus (i.e., it crashed).


 * 1970 &mdash; Soviet  became the first man-made object to transmit date from the surface of Venus.


 * 1975 &mdash; Soviet  became the first man-made object to orbit Venus, as well as the first lander to return pictures from the planet's surface.


 * 1982 &mdash; Soviet  brought back the first colored images of the Venusian surface. In a curious development, Russian scientists in 2012 announced possible evidence of life on the surface after re-examining the date from Venera 13.


 * 1985 &mdash; Soviet  begins its mission at Venus.


 * 1990 &mdash; American  begins its mission at Venus. Using radar, the mission produces a detailed map of the Venusian surface (despite the thick clouds).


 * 2006 &mdash; European  begins its mission around Venus.


 * 2024' &mdash; Russia plans to launch ', becoming the first Russian mission to Venus since the collapse of the Soviet Union. The mission is believed to follow Magellan and create an updated map of the Venusian surface, and the possibility of a Soviet-styled lander with modern technology.''

Participating nations and organizations

 * http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showpost.php?p=3355047&postcount=6
 * http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=270158 (de Gaulle)


 * Notes


 * The UK and Canada don't take part in the formation of ESA (choosing instead to form a Commonwealth-wide effort). With the USSR remaining strong (more details to come), ESA only includes participation from Western Europe (with East Germany being the farthest east it goes [more to come]).


 * Saddam attempts to form a Pan-Arab program, but due to their military buildup and their (most likely successful) nuclear program (but no invasion of Kuwait), only pro-Iraqi Arab states co-operate. These include major efforts from Syria and Libya. Arab Spring would greatly affect this co-operation.


 * The first British landing on Venus would take place around 1998 (roughly). However, a joint Anglo-American settlement was established around 1996. It wasn't until later that the British took over major responsibilities for that settlement (space-wise, that is).

Nations and Settlements on Venus


All of the areas labeled in bold face refer to independent nation states. Countries in parentheses refer to the primary (Earth) nation to control said area. Areas in quotation marks are basic ideas which may or may not become canonized.


 * American Venus


 * Flag.svg "Fortune Bay"
 * (South Africa)
 * Flag.svg Reagan
 * Flag.svg "Tethus"
 * Flag.svg Reagan
 * Flag.svg "Tethus"
 * Flag.svg "Tethus"


 * British (Commonwealth) Venus


 * (Canada)
 * Flag of Australia.svg "New Oceania" (Australia and New Zealand)
 * "Anzia"
 * "Anzland"
 * (Canada)
 * (Canada)


 * Chinese Venus


 * Flag of Albania (1946-1992).svg "New Albania" (Albania)
 * "New Dardania" (alternate name)
 * Flag of North Korea.svg "New Pyongyang" (North Korea)
 * Flag of Tibet.svg "New Tibet"
 * Flag of Tibet.svg "New Tibet"


 * European (Franco-German) Venus


 * Flag of Italy.svg Galileo (Italy)
 * Flag of Italy.svg Galileo (Italy)


 * Iraqi (Arab) Venus




 * Japanese Venus






 * Flag of Yemen.svg Gorbachevsk
 * Bandera del Turquestan.svg New Aral
 * Flag.svg "New Caucasia"
 * (Vietnam)
 * Flag of Poland.svg "New Warsaw" (Poland)
 * (Vietnam)
 * Flag of Poland.svg "New Warsaw" (Poland)

Thoughts for the timeline

 * The is regarded as a failure. Rather than say "it was designed with Venus in mind", simply have the Soviets begin designs for a new rocket design. This "N2" or "Raskat" (a proposed Russian name for the N1 had it worked) would be the answer to the Saturn V.


 * Despite still losing the Moon to the Americans (the  would've also been a failure ATL), the Soviets could possibly still reach the Moon by the 1970s (especially if Venus was still a prime target in the Space Race). was regarded as the likeliest candidate for the first Soviet on the Moon. The name Gerkules ("Hercules") and/or Gerkules-Raskat were potential names for the Soviet Moon missions.


 * The infamous of 1975 possibly might not happen. The "Apollo 18" module may have been used for a proposed Manned Venus Flyby in 1973/74. The USSR may also do a manned flyby a few years later.


 * Given Venus's Earth-like atmosphere (ATL), it would take rockets of enough strength (at least along the lines of the Mercury or Vostok) to escape the planet's atmosphere. Given the complexity of this, it would be very unlikely to send the first men back from Venus without rocket experts and contractors already on the planet. In affect, the first Venus landing would be a one-way trip.


 * The Soviet manned Venus landing mission (personal codename "Vega") would likely happen around the mid 1980s. The mission would be a modified TMK-E station (which was designed for a manned Mars landing OTL). Two missions could possibly take place in the mid to late 1980s.


 * The Americans would follow with a landing in the early 1990s (personal codename "Magellan"). Likely based on a similar design to the Soviet mission.


 * By 2010, China, Europe, and Japan may follow suit and land a colony on Venus. The United Kingdom may go it alone (not too sure about this) and an Iraqi-led Arab mission may be possible (if the cards are played out, though I'm having second thoughts).

Venus



 *  &mdash; 0.723 AU
 * Eccentricity &mdash; 0.0067
 * Orbital period &mdash; 224.701 Earth days
 * Radius &mdash; 6,051.8 km
 * Rotational period &mdash; 34.2 Earth hours


 * Rotational period

Venus (OTL) has a rotational period much longer than its orbital period around the Sun. While there are many theories as to why this is OTL, the fact that Venus would have a large moon ATL would likely help speed up Venus. How much faster is pretty much my own choosing, and I personally would love to avoid the 24-hour mark that is standard on both Earth and Mars. While I initially liked the idea of a shorter day (around 22 hours), I think I'm going to extend it to 34 hours (more specifically 34.2 Earth hours). Why this? In short, this is the reverse of 243 days that makes up a Venusian day OTL.


 * Axial tilt

Venus is unique because it is completely upside down in respect to the rest of the planets. The more noted affect this would have is that it rotates backwards from the respect of Earth. If Venus is the same ATL, than this would be very interesting for people on the planet (though in different ways). It should be noted that for this timeline (and many textbooks), the north pole of Venus would be facing the same part of space that the Earth's south pole faces. So from that, the Sun would still rise in the east and set in the west (not the opposite as you may have read in textbooks).

One of the more interesting things would be that the constellations would look upside down. So those in southern Venus would see northern constellations (like the Big Dipper) while those in northern Venus would see southern constellations (like the Southern Cross).

It should also be noted that the and the s would be on different lines of latitude on Venus. The tropics would be closer to the equator (roughly the 3rd parallel on both sides), while the polar circles would be closer to the poles (roughly around the 87th parallel on both sides). The would no doubt be different from on Earth (the tropics could be named after the constellation which the Sun is located in during the Venusian solstices.


 * Convert Latitude / Longitude in Degrees/Minutes/Seconds to/from Decimal


 * North Pole &mdash; (90)
 * North Polar Circle &mdash; (87.36)
 * Tropic of Sagittarius &mdash; (2.64)
 * Equator &mdash; (0)
 * Tropic of Gemini &mdash; (-2.64)
 * South Polar Circle &mdash; (-87.36)
 * South Pole &mdash; (-90)

Neith



 * Neith, the Moon of Venus, 1672-1892

Unlike OTL, Venus in the Venusian Haven timeline would have a large moon. This would play a key role in the timeline, as such a large moon would help out Venus in many areas to assure it becomes a habitable planet. Since all the references to a Venusian moon (OTL) are from flawed observations, there is no standard for me to work with. This leaves me open to do as a wish (though I will keep in the spirit of these original observations).

Venus's moon is named Neith (pronounced as "neeth" [like "Keith" or "teeth", but with an "N"]), which is named after the of fate. The moon is would slightly be bigger than Earth's moon and would orbit closer to Venus than Earth's moon (completing an orbit roughly every 18 Earth days). From the Venusian sky, Neith would look bigger than the Moon or the Sun from Earth (and slightly bigger than what the Sun would look like on Venus). Much like the Moon, Neith would be barren and full of craters and ancient lava fields.

From Earth, Neith can be seen along with Venus (making Venus look like a double star), though Neith can be best seen when Venus and Earth are closer to each other. This made the moon easy to spot by early astronomers like Galileo. It wouldn't be until the late 19th century that the name "Neith" became accepted as a common name (much like the other satellites of the Solar System).


 * Links


 * http://starryskies.com/The_sky/events/mars/opposition08.html
 * http://astrobob.areavoices.com/2013/07/22/how-cool-nasa-releases-photos-of-earth-taken-from-saturn-mercury/
 * http://cosmoquest.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-83742.html


 * Size


 * http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_long_did_it_take_to_form_the_moon

I'm thinking of making Neith much smaller than the Moon (more like the half the size). This is to help compensate the moon from being seen by the naked eye, and would make it quite alien in comparison to the Earth.

One theory that could be brought up ATL is that Venus actually formed two small moons early in its existence (much like what happened to the Earth [possibly]), but the inner moon either re-collided with Venus or did merge into what would become Neith. Or simply the debris field wasn't as massive as OTL's Earth-Moon system.

Koshmar

 * Main article:, 


 * System: Solaria (Solar System)
 * Biosphere: Venusiana (Venus)
 * Kingdom: Tereshkovia (Animal-like)
 * Phylum: c/s
 * Class: Pseudokoris (False bug)
 * Order: c/s
 * Family: c/s
 * Genus: c/s
 * Species: incubus

Soviet Union in VH


My overall thoughts on what the Soviet Union would be like in this timeline.


 * Basic


 * With Venus a juicy target, the USSR initiates moves to compete in this "Second Space Race." These include expanding the brought forward during the late 1960s (note: what I foresee is that the reforms are "expanded" beyond what they were OTL [which was virtually ignored]).


 * On January 22, 1969, the on  is successful. After a short power struggle, Premier  becomes the new leader.


 * Kosygin continues in the economic reforms (when in OTL they were abandoned), transforming the USSR into a "" (this makes me think Soviet Yugos, but likely more successful). The does not happen.


 * Kosygin's liberal views on the Eastern Bloc (combined with new economic interests) leads to the gradually end of Soviet occupations in the area. The was already crushed when he took power, but Kosygin does loosen control which allows a rebirth of the movement in both Czechoslovakia and other Eastern Bloc nations. All of these nations follow the USSR in their reforms, meaning communism remains in tact in these nations. Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia remain together (due in part to continued Soviet presence and better economies). Germany reunites earlier, while the Warsaw Pact is reformed to be more on par with NATO (also expanding to include Mongolia and Yugoslavia). The  would not be used under Kosygin, meaning their would be no  (Moscow would no doubt continue to fund the communist government there).


 * When he comes to power in the mid 1980s, inherits a different nation. The USSR is economically better, and domestically stable (thanks in part to the national pride in getting to Venus first). Gorbachev's reforms are more successful than OTL, leading to a more open nation.


 * Today, the USSR continues to be a socialist and communist state, but very different from China. The USSR is far more democratic and open. To some degree, the USSR is comparable to the USA today in many areas. The economy is one of the largest in the world (just behind the US). Not to mention one of the largest space programs of the world, and a major player on Venus.


 * Miscellaneous


 * The USSR has evolved into a multi-party, but functions as a de facto two-party state (on par with the USA). These include:
 * &mdash; while still a party, the CPSU has somewhat devolved to promote more  ideas (on par with  OTL).
 * &mdash; initially established to be a "puppet party," the LDPSU evolved to be its own independent party during the 1990s (gaining national support). Despite its extremely nationalist and fascist beginning (which it's remains to this day), the LDPSU has also devolved to more of a  party (more the polar opposite of where the CPSU stands). Comparable to  OTL.


 * The is transferred to  during the 1970s (which becomes the Crimea/Transnistria for Lithuania). The USSR may also have admitted new republics (Chechnya and Tatarstan being the most likely become so).


 * See also


 * Великолитовская Федеративная Республика (ВЛФР)

Ovdan Civilization Idea
For various reasons, I've made the decision to not include any advanced civilizations on Venus today. However, I did leave open the idea that there once existed such a civilization, but for some reason it became extinct. This is what I currently see for such a discovery.


 * Evidence for this civilization was uncovered in late 2012 in (ironically).


 * The civilization likely existed in the Ovda Regio region, likely stretching from the easternmost islands of, northern Teegeeack, and a little further west.


 * This civilization (and the species) became extinct anywhere from a few thousand years ago to as far as a few million years ago. Debates over how this happen range from volcanic activity (such as a or ) or an astronomical event (such as an  or  strike).


 * Based on the evidence, the civilization was likely no more advanced than the (but no further than the ).

Venus Treaty layout

 * Prelude

... the ultimate destiny for Venus is to be placed upon those who call Venus their home (the Venusians)...


 * Articles


 * Land rights/Sovereignty
 * Earth nations can't claim large areas.
 * Claimed territory only extends to settled areas.
 * Earth can't directly govern areas of Venus (no "French Guianas").
 * Venus given autonomy from Earth governments.
 * Venus should be dominated by Venusians (Venusian "Monroe Doctrine").


 * Military activity
 * Earth protects Venus
 * No WMDs in any manner
 * No weapons testing
 * Military activity limited to defensive (coast guards,, etc.).


 * Environment/Power
 * Limits amount of resource extraction on Venus.
 * Limits fossil fuel use.
 * Allows civil nuclear power.
 * Regulates and protects native life.
 * Prevention of the complete contamination of Venus (no "Columbian Exchange").
 * Regulates which Earth species can travel to Venus (mostly humans and a few domesticated animals and plants).


 * Scientific research
 * Freedom for all nations to do research on Venus.
 * Requires all nations to make public all research on Venus.


 * Others
 * Makes the null and void in regards to the Venusian System.
 * Makes Neith under similar conditions as the Moon (see ).
 * Establishes the of the UN.

Venerka: The Venusian Currency

 * Coinage


 * 5 kopeks &mdash;  (copper)
 * 10 kopeks &mdash;  (copper)
 * 25 kopeks &mdash;  (silver)
 * 50 kopeks &mdash;  (silver)
 * 1 venerka &mdash;  (gold)
 * 2 venerkas &mdash;  (gold)


 * Banknotes


 * 5 venerkas &mdash;
 * 10 venerkas &mdash; (Earth)
 * 25 venerkas &mdash; (Venus)
 * 50 venerkas &mdash; (Moon)
 * 100 venerkas &mdash;
 * 200 venerkas &mdash;

The banknotes are orange in color, but each denomination has a distinctive hue to them (similar to what new USDs look like).


 * NOTE TO SELF: The font will also include something distinctive within the background (such as a planet or other celestial object)

Political Views of Valentina Tereshkova


Valentina Vladimirovna Tereshkova is among the few people who fascinate me both in reality and fiction, as well as being the only person to play an important role in two timelines of mine. Born in 1937, Tereshkova gained world recognition in 1963 for becoming the. Following her historic flight, she was pushed into Soviet politics. Even after the collapse of the USSR in 1991, Tereshkova continues to work in politics, currently serving as a MP in the (the lower house of the Russian legislature).

Though when it comes to her political positions, I've only been guessing what they were for the past few years. In fact, it was only recently I confirmed she was a member of (the political party of ), and only a few days ago did I confirm she was an MP of the State Duma (I knew she represented the Yaroslavl Oblast, but I assumed she was in the local legislature). It was only after knowing this that it dawned on me that Tereshkova voted in favor of the recent which passed unopposed in the State Duma (one person abstained, but it wasn't Tereshkova).

As a progressive, this both shocked and upset me to find out. Did I completely get her wrong? How would this affect her place in my two timelines? I began googling this to get more details (reading both English and Russian pages). To my relief and frustration, I could find nothing which states her position on LGBT rights (or anything connecting her to the vote in question). Multiple tags found nothing of use (all virtually showing separate articles the new law and the 50th anniversary of Vostok 6). Though out of all the useless articles (for what I wanted to know), I came across several key facts and quotes which I may be able to combine to get a clearer idea of Tereshkova's political views.

Given her beginnings in the USSR, she was obviously a member of the, but left during Glasnost. Since she took no part in the, I can take from this that she isn't a hardline communist (or a true communist in general). During the 1990s, she attempted to return to politics under two different political parties (both of which she lost). In 1995, she ran under the political party &mdash; a  to  party, supportive of  and the ), and which has merged into United Russia. In 2003, Tereshkova tried again under the  &mdash; a  and  party which has since been merged into the  (which in turn split from the CPRF). Today she's a member of United Russia &mdash; a formerly  party which has become much more  over the past few years.

I also came across she wishes to work for the people of the Yaroslavl Oblast. I was also shocked to come across that she holds nostalgia for the Soviet Union, quoting "it is a deep personal tragedy for me that it collapsed." She also adds this to her support for Vladimir Putin on the grounds that he's working to "make Russia a great country again." It should also be added that she continues to hold a love of space. I know she supports international cooperation in space exploration and even stated that she'd be willing to go on a one way trip to Mars (this coming around 2010).

From these, I believe I can conclude that (at the least) Tereshkova is a and  with both  and  tendencies. She is also and a "Russian patriot" (see also  and ). Also given her place in many political parties of varying ideologies, I can also conclude that she's a to those political parties and people who support Russia and her ideals (which also suggest she manipulative to a degree). Given her support for the people she represents (combined with her "Soviet Hero" status), I'd also say she's a to some extent.

These give me some relief on her recent votes in Russia, suggesting to me that she only favored these laws due to likely support from the people of Yaroslavl (know Russia's support for LGBT rights is currently low) and she follows the party platform in support of Putin. To me, this seems more likely than she is homophobic but keeps it secret enough to have no mention of it.

With these new pieces of information, how will she play out in New Union and Venusian Haven?


 * New Union &mdash; With the USSR surviving, combined with the growth both Gorbachev and Zhukov see during their administrations, I can see Tereshkova remaining loyal to the left-wing and Gorbachev's reforms (becoming a member of the ). With national support, Tereshkova becomes President of the USSR in 2005, paving the way of continued Soviet patriotism, growth, and the expansion of the Soviet space program.


 * Venusian Haven &mdash; With the USSR nowhere in danger of collapsing (not to mention she's now on Venus), I'd suspect she'd remain in the CPSU (moving to the CPNK upon its formation). She's pushed into leadership in 2001, and would push New Kamchatka into a "New USSR" (keeping many symbols for the new nation). She'd likely push for more space interests of NK, and the expansion of its economy. With NK in good hands (not to mention her continued place in leadership since 1985), she'd willingly step down in 2007.


 * Other links


 * http://ruptly.tv/vod/view/2091/russia-duma-approve-same-sex-adoption-ban (VIDEO)
 * http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/830585/

Timekeeping on Venus



 * (save for calendar template idea)

Basic information


I've decided that a Venusian sol (day) would comprise of 34.2 hours (am anadrome of Venus' 243 day rotation period of OTL). A Venusian year still consists of 224.701 Earth days. This would mean a Venusian year would comprise of about 5392.8 hours. Divide that by 34.2 and you get 157.68. Round it up and that makes a 158 sols per Venusian year.

Since Earth months are somewhat based on the rotational period of the Moon, a "Venusian month" (a "neith") should be about 18 or so sols. Dividing up 158 sols can easily make up an eight neith year, with six neiths having 20 sols, and two neiths having 19 sols. The number of sols in a Venusian week are currently unimportant as it won't affect the calendar as a whole. I currently favor a five sol week, but this may change to sync up with a Civil calendar.

The first year of the Venus calendar is roughly set at year zero of the (which is non-religious and starts roughly at the beginning of human civilization). This means that calculating the year of Venus via the current Earth years can be done by the following algorithm.


 * $$ey*1.625+10000=vy$$

So as of February 1, 2014 (2014.09) would mean the current year on Venus is 13272 (13272.9), or year 3272 if year zero is synced with the Gregorian calendar. The decimals help to get a rough idea how long the year is. So 13272.9 means that Venus is 9/10 the way through year 13272.

Names of the Venusian "Neiths"
Under the Venusian calendar, the Venusian year is divided into eight "neiths" (the equivalent of months). Given its Soviet origins, the neiths were named by the Russian settlers and correspond the seasonal characteristics of Atla Regio (i.e., New Kamchatka).


 * Прохладень (Prokholaden ' ) &mdash; cool
 * Туманень &mdash; (Tumanen ' ) &mdash; fog
 * Дождьень (Dozhd'yen ' ) &mdash; rain
 * Цветень (Tsveten ' ) &mdash; flower (pollen)
 * Жарень (Zharen ' ) &mdash; hot
 * Ветерень (Veteren ' ) &mdash; wind
 * Фруктень (Frukten ' ) &mdash; fruit
 * Стрекотатьень (Strekotat'yen ' ) &mdash; chirp


 * Links


 * Old Russian Names for the 12 Months
 * Part 1
 * Part 2

New Kamchatkan political years

 * Elections are schedualed to take place every 5 Venusian years (3.08 Earth years).


 * The is elected to serve a 10 Venusian year term (6.1 Earth Years).


 * Delegates of the are elected to serve a 15 Venusian year term (9.2 Earth years). Elections are timed so that a third of the seats are up for election every 5 Venusian years (3.08 Earth years).


 * Bold = President and Supreme Soviet
 * Normal = Supreme Soviet Only
 * Italic = Didn't happen yet


 * Elections
 * 13252 (2001.2)
 * 13257 (2004.3)
 * 13262 (2007.38)
 * 13267 (2010.46)
 * 13272 (2013.5)
 * 13277 (2016.6)

Proof That I Have No Life


The legislative body of is the. The Supreme Soviet is comprises of 150 seats which are divided up among the governorates by their population (the more populous a governorate, the more deputies they send to the Supreme Soviet). Each governorate is divided into several constituencies, whose residence vote in deputies to represent them. Using an system (known as "rating voting" in Russian), seven political parties current hold say within the Supreme Soviet. To simplify, think of the House of Representatives and the many Congressional Districts within the United States.

Here is a map of New Kamchatka's 150 constituencies and the political party which represents them. The cities of Gagaringrad (A), Vladivenera (B), and Korolevsk (C) have multiple constituencies within their city limits. The top-right map shows the governorates by themselves and which political party hold the plurality of constituencies within the governorate. This map has been worked on for the past few weeks, proving that I have no real life.

Divided Ukraine
With all the chaos currently going on in the Ukraine, the notion of the country splitting up continues to be brought up. Regardless of what will come out of this, the idea of a divided Ukraine is interesting to think of from a map making point of view. So the following is simply for fun.

New Union: We're Off To Siberia

 * La Nueva Unión (Spanish New Union)


 * as a of
 * Soviet Union Pavilion at Epcot
 * Kaliningrad Disney
 * Red Belt (Русский)
 * Micronesia could be the 51st State (potential expansion)
 * becomes a global search engine similar to Google (though not as popular).


 * Cuban election ideas
 * (Democratic socialist Cuban)
 * (Spanish version says this guy is president??)

Things to do



 * Upload new flags for some of the republics.
 * Redo seating for the Supreme Soviet.
 * Rename some articles.
 * (something to look into).
 * LGBT flag of the Soviet Union (New Union).svg Гей окей!
 * New interplanetary missions (e.g., Saturn, Fobos-Grunt).
 * Alter Japanese-Soviet border dispute.
 * Get rid of some of the.
 * Move "" into Kazakhstan. Initially proposed in 1979. Germans were initially the third post populous ethnic group in Kazakhstan prior to dissolution.
 * Get rid of some of the.
 * Move "" into Kazakhstan. Initially proposed in 1979. Germans were initially the third post populous ethnic group in Kazakhstan prior to dissolution.

The New POD
Considering that I know very little about the four men in the initial coup plot, it seems too "hopeful" for me to say that they getting drunk is a solution. I eventually chose this POD because I found it ironic that alcoholism (a major problem in the USSR that Gorbachev was trying to tackle) would lead to the downfall of this coup. Because of this gaping hole, I have decided to go back to my initial idea. Please note that I have been considering whether or not to change the POD for months now.

My initial idea was the notorious accident record of the (which were flying the men to the Crimea). The idea is simple, the plane crashes. No coup, very simple. Kinda... too simple. This is why I thought it sounded stupid before. I forgot all about it until I came across a timeline which is strikingly similar to my own. This made me realise that if someone else thought about it, than why not go back to it. Also (to make me feel better about it), I thought about this idea in 2010 (a year before this timeline came out).

More to come later

Supreme Soviet and Political Parties

 * Communist Party &mdash;


 * Democratic Unity &mdash;


 * Green Party &mdash;


 * Party of Regions &mdash;, ,


 * "Peace Party" &mdash; ,


 * Pirate Party &mdash;


 * Renaissance Party &mdash;


 * Union of Social Democrats &mdash;


 * "Yabloko" &mdash; ,


 * Potential



Flags of New Union
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ASSRs to redo
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Elections: Spicing Them Up
The new constitution of the Soviet Union came into affect in 1992. The same year, legislative elections are held. A presidential election was held off for a few years so Gorbachev would have time to assure a peaceful transition for the USSR (also because he announced he would not be seeking re-election.

Both presidential and legislative elections are run every five years (though not the same year).


 * 1992 &mdash; Legislature
 * 1994 &mdash; President
 * 1997 &mdash; Legislature
 * 1999 &mdash; President
 * 2002 &mdash; Legislature
 * 2004 &mdash; President
 * 2007 &mdash; Legislature
 * 2009 &mdash; President
 * 2012 &mdash; Legislature
 * 2014 &mdash; President

The ironic downside to this new change is that 's term as president will end this year. For the sake of argument, I currently have my eyes on to replace Tereshkova (he seems okay to me on such short notice).


 * 2014

Quick notes to take in that won't really be played ATL. Tuleyev supported the Auguast Coup in 1991, Rutskoy and the Federal Assembly in 1993, and supports unifciation between Belarus and Russia. He was initially a member of the CPRF until moving to United Russia in the 2000s. To me, he is left leaning and a Neo-Soviet.

Tuleyev gets into politics in 1990 (pre-POD). He runs for the Presidency/Governorship of Russia in 1991 and looses to Yeltsin (pre-POD). He attempts again in 1996 but eventually throughs his support to Alexander Rutskoy (who defeats Yeltsin). Tuleyev becomes part of Rutskoy's "Communists for Democracy" bloc in the Supreme Soviet. Tuleyev attempts to run for the Soviet presidency in 2004 (on the CPSU ticket) but looses to Nikolay Kharitonov. Tuleyev does join Kharitonov as his running mate, but both loose to Valentina Tereshkova (coming in second place). He eventually throughs his backing to Tereshkova and leaves the CPSU in the late 2000s.

In 2013, Tuleyev announce shis candidacy for the presidency once again, eventually gaining the support of the Union of Social Democrats party. Sergey Mironov may become his VP or PM.

"States" of a Romanian Federation


Following the successful separation of and and  from  in the early 1990s, there no longer exists any reason why Moldova can't reunify with Romania. Reunification takes place in the mid 1990s, with a new constitution and government being adopted for the newly reunified nation. A federation is established with Moldova becoming its own "state", while "Romania Proper" is separated into several new subdivisions.


 * Potential States/Provinces


 * (maybe)




 * /Moldavia (historically known as )


 * (historically known as )


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