User talk:Fegaxeyl

Purchasing foreign freighters
Just been reading the Navy section of Essex and the buying of old foriegn ship and refitting them might be some Woodbridge would be intrested in. Maybe if we put in a joint bid we could get more boats for a smaller price Verence71 15:40, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

That would be a brilliant deal. Who would we be buying from, though? Fegaxeyl 15:45, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

The Nordic Union might be a possibility Verence71 18:14, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Sweden is supposed to be a leader in metalworking, so it's likely they'll have some old freighters needing retirement that we can buy. New Britain might have some older vessels too, and it said that its navy was downsized so they might even have some decent warships that could prove useful if they survive a journey from South Africa to East Anglia. Fegaxeyl 19:02, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

I'm thinking that it more likely that New Britain would sell any old freighters to neighbouring countries to improve their reputation in the region Verence71 19:34, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

There might still be old gunships under New British control, but that's not really what the Essex Navy is looking for - we want big freighters for conversion. Then let's call the Nordic Union and see what they've got for sale! Fegaxeyl 20:58, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

In time I suppose we could construct something along these lines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_class_minesweeper adapted for other purposes Verence71 18:23, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Three problems with that: one, Essex already has vessels around that size (though a handful of them at most); two, our nations probably don't have the metal reserves for that unless we start to scrap cars en masse, and it's unlikely we have the engineering expertise to build a boat from scratch either; and three, Essex is looking for ships that have the ability to carry diplomatic and military teams, carry cargo, and transport oil so that rather than being fairly specialised like smaller vessels they are very general and useful all-rounders, valuable on long-range exploration and trade missions. Essex and Woodbridge would presumably both be capable of building these vessels, but to do so would require a prohibitive resource investment and huge amounts of time. Though experience would be gained in constructing ships of these sizes, Essex would rather buy foreign vessels of the necessary sizes cheap and perform the necessary modifcations in drydock much faster and cheaper. Time and money would be saved. Of course there is nothing stopping us from building vessels of the River-class, but they aren't what Essex currently wants in her navy. Fegaxeyl 19:28, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Point taken :) Verence71 19:55, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

I'll drop a line to the proprietor of the Nordic Union page to see if they could sell our nations any old freighters, say... ten or so, for our first order? I'm not sure what our nations could trade in return though. Fegaxeyl 19:58, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

This is the response received:
 * The Swedish Minister of Trade, Ewa Björling, expresses her gratitude for the offer, and informs that at they can sell the 10 freighters. The initial price is around NUK 60 million per vessel, but the price can be changed after further negotiations (regarding the economic situation in Essex and Woodbridge). In return, the government of Essex and Woodbridge can deliver the payment partially in form of currency and partially in form of manufactured goods, such as chemicals, pharmacutical goods as well as foodstuffs. Björling, however, informs that as the Swedish merchant fleet is relatively small, they urge both countries to ask neighbouring Norway for any additional vessels, as Norway is one of the major shipbuilding nations in Europe and in the world. However, she adds that she hopes that Essex and Woodbridge in the common years will choose Sweden for lucrative trade agreements of goods such as heavy machinery, automobiles, telecommunications and lumber.
 * Along with the Swedish offer, the Norwegian government, represented by Minister of Industry and Trade, Trond Giske, who currently has among the world's largest merchant fleet (1,408 vessels), is willing to give both Essex and Woodbridge 2 freighters each as a sign of goodwill, and hopes that this will open for increased trade between, and opens for further sales of further freighters, but also other goods such as fish, oil or natural gas.
 * Realismadder 22:30, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Want to take up the offer, Verence? Fegaxeyl 06:59, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

I'm up for it :) Having read the Nordic Union article it could also be the go-to place for military goods as Woodbridge is always looking to update it's military hardware Verence71 11:11, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

Airships
The main thing that killed airship travel was two things: Safety concerns (which were unfounded since the Hindenburg was the last airship to use Hydrogen), and Airplanes, because they could hold more passengers and the trip took a 3rd of the time. I don't have a problem with airships, and was actually hoping that there would be a way to re-introduce them, so I have no problem. Germany actually has something called Blue Gas that they were going to use for airship fuel because its the same density as air so using it up wouldn't affect ballast, this could be a major Prussia industry with the return of airships.Oerwinde 17:35, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

OBN
Liking the extra detail you've put on the OBN page. I've got the odd idea about the political side of things so I'll probably put some info in the Parliament section of the article fairly soon Verence71 12:52, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

Axis, Allies, and Communism
Hmmm. Do you want an alliance with Japan? -Eastward Expansion

I would like to form the Axis in AA&C, yes. I would like Italy on board too, though. Fegaxeyl 09:13, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm those are good ideas, but Italy is trying to be less Facist. Mabye the USSR would like to join in an alliance. By the way it's your turn again!Eastward Expansion 19:30, May 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I would accept a version of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, and I wouldn't mind an alliance either. Tbguy1992 16:28, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

Argentina and brazil were allways at each others throats in the 1930's/1940's but the primary reason for the brazilian DOW in the map game is that you as argentina didn't withdraw suport for Japan whereas in OTL Argentina withdrew its suport for Japan after the US and brazil threatend them.Vegas adict 07:23, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Minor point the Brazilian Argentinian war could end the alliance with the USSR as theres no way the USSR would encourage people to fight against a radical left wing government (at the time of WW2 Brazil was ruled by a left wing dictator).Vegas adict 17:24, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Brazil declared war before the USSR joined the axis so its up to the controler of the USSR to decide weather he wants to suport Brazil and gain a powerfull ally in South America or suport Argentina (A country who's ideology is completely oposite to them)Vegas adict 17:46, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Its nice to see that I'm so important! I'm currently debating what the USSR should do, so You should get the answer to the question you are all asking. Sincerely, Premier Tbguy1992
 * Do you want to attack me because I left the Axis? I leave it to your desition, but I ask you that if you don't have a problem with it, don't.

"Invasion"
Don't that it's due to start on Tuesday :)

Seeing as how Essex's adoption of the New Pound is due the same day I wondered if it might be an idea if one of us wrote about the invasion and the other about the currency adoption Verence71 19:36, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about the late reply. I'm of the opinion that the news of the invasion would probably be kept secret for at least a day or two, because as you said any hostile groups in the areas we'll 'invade' with radios will hear the news (though a bunch of helicopters and an airship flying over a pretty big clues that something's happening!). As for writing about certain sides: I'd be happy either way, though you seem to have a bit more insider knowledge of the area so I guess you'd be the better choice for documenting progress of the military whilst I take up the story of the adoption of the n£. Of course if you think we should reveal the news of the invasion tomorrow then hey, that's cool. (Have you considered that our efforts might result in a little 'overspill' into areas beyond those we've designated to invade?) Fegaxeyl 20:13, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

I suppose that could be the case. I've actually already written up the ceremony about the adoption of the N£ in the Woodbridge article. I've added a bit about the Woodbridge ambassador being heckled as he gave a speech as I'm assuming there will be some people in Essex who aren't happy about you adopting the currency. As for the invasion what you could do write it up and then I spot any slight mistakes vis a vis the geography of the area I could edit it?? Verence71 20:26, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Cool! I've got most of tomorrow afternoon to scribble down the battle plan. Two questions: how long do you think the invasion should take, and do you think we should make it a turkey shoot or a tough slog for our men? Fegaxeyl 20:32, May 31, 2010 (UTC) EDIT: I just had an idea: should we jointly create an article to deal with the area and its future development, and add a 'live feed' section of how troops are progressing? By the way, I really like the bit on the adoption of the N£. Fegaxeyl 20:41, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Given the recent discussion aboug articles being a bit optimistic I don't think we should make the invasion too easy. Something along the lines of a month, maybe a bit longer. I'm liking the idea a joint article on the new area.Verence71 22:20, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Regrettably I haven't got the article started yet, but here's a quick map I made (maximum size, unfortunately). Fegaxeyl 17:33, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

That's a very good start. Verence71 18:07, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

I read your politcal comment. The Queen does have some power, like regulating your civil service, asking the prime minister to form a government, apporving the laws, commanding the military, etc. And please tell me what would it be like in England if she excerised her "Royal Progrative" very pro-actively, and didn't listen to her prime minister's advice? --Catherine 21:48, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Help!
I want to write a timeline that when Elizabeth II came to the throne in 1952, she was more active in government unlike OTL, and excrised her royal progrative, normally excrised with the advice of the Prime Minister: declaring war and making peace, appointing and dismissing bishops, high commissioners, and ministers, regulating the civil service, commanding the military, apporving and sealing Parilamentary laws, and directing day-to-day operations of government. Please give me a article link, maybe to Wikipedia, on a article with a great deal of information about the Royal Powers in Great Britain. Then please tell me you ideas of what would happen if she excrised those powers. Thanks! I would really appericate you doing these! --Catherine 05:55, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Question
I have a question? How would it be if the Queen Elizabeth II reigned with aboslute power, and did everything she wanted to do? --Catherine 21:30, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Please Read
Will you please read George III: The Overly Active King. Tell me what you like about it so far. --Catherine 20:51, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the Advice!
I thank you for the advice you gave me on Queen Elizabeth! --Catherine 19:11, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Arrival
I suppose that the EU type thingy retains the sovereignty of its member states. Because you know, I doubt Europeans would be willing to give up all their autonomy. There are dozens of languages, ethnic groups, religions and political systems in Europe. Post Cold War the Eastern European countries would not want to just become Europeans. So I should imagine its like the USA, as an American from Texas can consider themselves a Texan and an American in law. Similarly I should imagine someone from Ukraine can consider themselves European and Ukrainian. Bob 16:45, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

A lot of Ukrainians probably think of themselves as Russian Verence71 19:44, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

If they thought of themselves as Russian why would they be independent. Thats just independence movements for the sake of it. Bob 08:35, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

But I had another thought. Its not really nationalism in Europe any more. Its patriotism. We don't think that our country is better than anyone elses. Its just that we love our country and would fight to preserve its freedom. I think that the EU is as drawn together as Europe can get. Bob 08:35, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think the Ukrainian Russians want independence, it's probably more of an ethnic identity thing Verence71 09:11, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Central World
Hi might you create an article for Central World, I would like to turn it into a community project! Please Answer. VENEZUELA 15:34, July 14, 2010 (UTC) Please!!!!

Hitler was a dictatorial prime minister, like Francisco Franco!

TBA in Norfolk
Just thought I'd tell you I'm planning on there being a mini-civil war between TBA units in Norfolk. I'm also looking at having Woodbridge Special Forces infiltrate the TBA in order to help agrevate this civil war. Verence71 15:55, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

I would love any changes or hlep for The Great WAr. Duchland

I was thinking around 1920, 1921 or 1922. Duchland 15:52, July 30, 2010 (UTC)Duchland

Nice to see you again.
It's nice to talk again, Feg. I don't really frequent RSFF that often; it's usually out of curiosity towards the state of the wiki as well as to compare the works there with the fiction I'm writing now. I fear my Talk:Main Page lamentations on "the Golden Age" seemed a little melodramatic, but that's how it seemed back in the day. I myself am now heading into my GCSEs as well as writing a blog and trying to wrestle something out of my otherwise poor social situation, so there's no chance of me being as committed to the wiki as I was. I'm glad to see that you're well anyway. I hope your Alt History wiki stuff works out. Thanks. Smith. 20:01, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

England
I'm looking for help from someone with a knowledge of England as to the realism of the England (Napoleon's World) page and, more importantly, The Anarchy (Napoleon's World). You seem to be the resident Brit on this wiki. KingSweden 17:13, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

I linked the two articles that concern England above. Are these realistic events? The Napoleon's World TL is based on a successful invasion of Russia and later Britain by Napoleon himself, and following his defeat of Britain carves the UK up into three separate kingdoms, with the now-independent Ireland and Scotland essentially French client states.

That's really the main bit as far as the Isles go - up until the 20th century, as you can see in the Anarchy article. It's a bit of a lengthy read so I understand fully if you choose to skim, but I'm wondering what your opinion as an English resident is on how plausible the events are (troop movements, areas of campaigns, interaction between warring factions, so on).

Let me know what you think!

Regards,

KingSweden 02:36, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, well I certainly have some edits to make. Thank you so much for the geography pointers!

I feel Socialism WOULD have been successful had the Irish War and then French sanctions thrown a wrench in the whole thing, but you make a good point.

Is it unreasonable that it would take several months of heavy fighting to advance spaces as small as, say, 100 km for the French? That's the thing that has always bothered me about this article, but I've envisioned it as a longer war (eyeballing a map, England looks bigger than Korea and the Korean War raged for severals years once the Americans and Chines got involved.)

Thanks again,

KingSweden 14:09, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Your thoughts:


 * A French landing alongside the entire coast of southern England, from Plymouth thru Portsmouth, including Southhampton and Dover (I'm assuming already my geography assumptions here are screwed). This spreads their roughly 100,000 man force thin from the get go instead of a single push at one location. That could stall them and frustrate General Wieder's and Rouerre's movements when they could be attacking northwards towards London.


 * Racial/religious tension rises often due to economic/social hardship - you'd be hard pressed to find a majority Germans prior to the mid-1920's who were honestly anti-Semitics, but once the hyperinflation set in, Hitler had his perfect scapegoat for Germany's problems. I included the ethnic battles for that very reason.


 * Would it be reasonable to assume that the Irish receive stiffer resistance in Wales/England than I've outlined?

KingSweden 19:22, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Cleveland map changes
I interpret whats on the map from the areas specified from other maps on the specific articles. It just so happens that this is what is most closely approximated. Bob 17:26, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

What proposal is this? If its the Prince Andrew idea then its seems sensible. Bob 17:38, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Weekends
Yup, you're very right, almost nothing happens here on the weekends. I find that strange myself.--Vladivostok 19:07, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Venusian Haven
Hello there. Sure you can pitch in. What did you have in mind? --NuclearVacuum 19:33, August 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well than, please, be my guest. Feel free to help contribute. Have fun. --NuclearVacuum 17:42, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Owen...sigh
As someone who has long experience with Owen, its best just to ignore him. I don't think he is a troll, I honestly believe he means well, he is just unattached from reality. If he is editing obsolete articles, at least he is not editing articles that matter. In sum, don't get worked up by him its not worth it. Mitro 15:55, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Battle of Sandringham
Just about finished this and the Invasion Of Norfolk. I just have one more day to go Verence71 18:08, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Finished the Invasion of Norfolk if you want to have a look Verence71 15:55, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Just had a look, and it seems fine. Which means - nearly four months after the invasions (and this sub-project) began - we're finally done! Fegaxeyl 16:34, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

There will be political repercussions in Woodbridge though over the war and how it was conducted. Public enquiries, protest marches and possible ramifications on a forthcoming general election, pretty much like what happened in a country not a million miles away from us a a few years back Verence71 18:57, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Celtic Condemnation
Yeah. But it isn't meant to be insulting New Britain, only the Celts. And the deserve it. Their page clearly states that they have MP's representing people in Norfolk and other counties in England which they have no control over. Where do they get these MP's from. Who votes for them. Its a ATL travesty. And any claim over Norfolk clashes with Woodbridge and East Britain so they are justified. Bob 11:48, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

I'm sure neither side wants a war here. Perhaps we could have Cleveland and Northumbria offer to act as neutral intermediaries in the dispute as they have close links to both side Verence71 19:05, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Mattlock
You must not be an expert on England. I added the Derbyshire flag and coa, because that's where Mattlock is located.

Yankovic270 17:13, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Smoggy80
the reason I nominated her was she is a great editor not to gain favor or leverage for my articles--Owen1983 11:45, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Anglo-German Union
You're welcome to edit the TL, though I hope you don't mind if sometimes I discuss any changed you make that might seem a little ASB or some-such. --Gamb1993 22:12, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Europa Games
Given that the games are due to start on the 1st of October would it be safe to assume that the teams from Woodbridge, Essex, South England and East Britain have already made their way to Prussia. Perhaps it might be an idea if King Andy recorded some sort of messages to the teams which the representatives of the aforementioned nations could take with them when they travel out to Prussia after Andy leaves?? Verence71 19:49, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Didn't we agree that the teams were to be taken on the RNV Isle of Wight? I imagine they could have departed from Southend when the hovercraft arrived with the royal escort. In fact, the King could have addressed them whilst they were at Southend, holding a brief chat with each team and wishing them luck, before he passed on to Maldon. Fegaxeyl 20:38, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

That's pretty much true although I remeber thinking that some of the athletes could also travel on one of the converted freighters we got from the Nordic Union which could sail from Southend at the same time as the IoW. Verence71 08:25, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Suggestion
Try this link: http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contact

Usually they are good about answering right away and hopefully they will know what to do. Mitro 15:10, September 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * If I may help, I had the same issue during the night. Log onto here in IE, and there is no problem, so you can fix your preferences to actually be able to use the wiki. Lordganon 15:28, September 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem. Have to say, I hate this one too - you'll have a devil of a time getting at any blogs you have, either. Lordganon 15:51, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Thought I'd let you know that they have fixed the problem, so you can go back to the other skin now.

Lordganon 06:42, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

just to let everyone know
i don't know if you are all aware of the page Owen has set up Provincial United Kingdom (1983: Doomsday) i don't know what you want to do with it? i can think of a few things!--Smoggy80 18:00, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Northumbria Referendum
As Northumbria doesn't have a conventional governmental organisation, it has a more middle-ages style of govenment (The Witain) with the King leading the government and having the deciding vote (pretty much as the English government was pre Magna Carter). This would mean that any decision would be made, rather than going to the people. So I don't a referendum would take place.

As i've added to the OBN page, the King has made a Royal Proclamation that Northumbria would like to join the OBN, this means that after discussions within the Witain, a decision on the future of the nation has been decided for the best of the people (with out asking the people) and the nation of Northumbia, an announced by the head of the Witain, King George.--Smoggy80 15:24, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

The Hundred States of Europe
Well Feg, you wanted America, and you've come to the right place.

Things seemed to have been going downhill a whole lot thus far, and I suggest we get a sort of 'Palpatine' President elected. (I'm sure you know enough about Star Wars to understand that-and don't tell me you don't because you have a computer right in front of you!) Anyhow, this character will come along, get elected, and sign a peace treaty with the steadily-shrinking Soviet Union. The war will stop for the time being, and America can focus at home for a bit. Things are made a bit better, he repeals the "Three kids or no representation", begins cleaning up the environment, basically make America awesome again in the eyes of the people.

He gets reelected, and, with a surge of immigrants coming into the nation, gets the economy back on track. (They were just in a war, so the economy couldn't have been thriving.) Against all odds, he even gets the Two-term limit repealed, allowing him to run for a third term. I assume he would have come out of nowhere in the late 80's/early 90's, so by his third term we're breaking into the next millennium.

So now, we've got a slowly dying Soviet Union, a sea of rich micronations, and America is gathering force, chugging uphill towards global respect, when BAM- Outta nowhere, he invades Canada! Ottawa's down in a week, they surrender not long after. With the thriving economy, a fresh supply of immigrants, and now all the resources of Canada, America restarts the war, hammer (and sickle-) ing the USSR with everything they've got. As the Red Army races to the East to hold back the Americans, several of the republics take their chance, and secede en mass. This leaves Russia, Kazakhstan, and perhaps one or two other republics, fighting the American war machine. The Americans are slowed down once they clash with the Red Army in central Russia, but their sheer determination carries them through to within bombing distance of Moscow and Petrograd.

The Union capitulates, but the Americans keep on coming, past Moscow-into the sea of Micronations! America is now the one taking the chance, gobbling them up by two's and by three's.

We are now at a turning point;

A) The Micronations can band together against the US.

B) The American people overthrow he who has become more or less of a dictator.

C) The generals take over, fracturing America under their control.

D) Rather than stage a coup, the American people begin seceding from the Union, in a second American Civil War.

E) The former Soviets let loose every nuclear weapon they have, across America and the Steppes that were once theirs, bringing the world into a nuclear winter

F) The European nations plead for mercy, and they get it, somehow.

Alternatively, rather than invade Canada, the President could slowly make the US a more and more fascist regime, weeding out the 'impure' and forcing them into labor and concentration camps.

I could expand on any one of these-pick your poison!

It's great to be back,

Jazon Naparleon 15:38, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Third World Bloc: Map
I did a rough map of your description, but I did not color any nation outside of Europe, sorry but Im realy busy and I had to rush through it. I added a few other nations onto Apain which was part of my idea, but you can easily delete there borders and what so ever. BlackSkyEmpire 19:53, December 29, 2010 (UTC) BlackSkyEmpire

No, the Dark Red represents the Non-Stalinist Communist Bloc. BlackSkyEmpire 20:51, December 29, 2010 (UTC)BlackSkyEmpire

XD I forgot to post it. Here it is. BlackSkyEmpire 21:02, December 29, 2010 (UTC)BlackSkyEmpire



1983 Expansion
At the moment the only expanding that Woodbridge is even thinking about is taking control of the rest of Norfolk but that wouldn't happen for a while yet Verence71 20:16, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

Black Hawk Down
A few more thoughts; Verence71 18:28, February 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Presumably as in the Battle of Mogadishu upon which the book and film were based one of Woodbridge's helicopters could be shot down by a rocket-propelled grenade
 * Perhaps some of the gangs in Ipswich have connections with organised crime in Woodbridge and that is how they get hold of the more advanced weaponry.
 * The people who capture the Woodbridge airmen could give the Woodbridge authorities proof of the capture by passing on photos of the men to their contacts.

All great ideas, I'll throw them in. Interesting to consider that the only way these 'connections' in Woodbridge could supply such military equipment would be if they actually were in the military... what would they be trading, and what ramifications would this have - would the enemy have any intelligence of operations? Some counter-questions, though: Fegaxeyl 21:26, February 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Are you suggesting that the actual event last several days? (I'm fine with this, as it would allow Essex troops to mobilise too.)
 * What party is John Robson in?
 * Depending on the event's success or failure, it could be like the Iran crisis for Carter in 1978; what impact will success or failure have?

I'm thinking that the Ipswich gang's criminal contacts in Woodbridge could have contacts in the military who they supply with such things as drugs etc. Once BHD actually occurred I would think that Woodbridge would close the "border" with Ipswich but it's possible that info could get through to Ipswich

The "rescue" should last several days. In fact it might be a good idea if it lasted past election day cos if the Woodbridge prisoners were rescued before that day it would provide a boost for PM Robson's Conservative Party. As it stands at the moment they have lost a lot of popularity due to the events that occured during the invasion of West Suffolk and if the events in Ipswich last too long then they would lose their overall majority. In that event they would probably become a minority govt and call another election later in the year. That in turn would allow the possibility that the paper trail between the Ipswich gangs and the some members of the military could become public knowledge leading to the Tories getting completely hammered in the 2nd election perhaps leading to a Lab-Lib coalition. Verence71 21:54, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

Woodbridge Election
Just a quick note to say that the campaign will be starting this week and the Election itself will take place on the 5th May. I was thinking that the Black Hawk Down scenario we were talking about could take place some time in week 3 of the campaign Verence71 17:52, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Essaxon territorial claims
Just updating the ol'map. Just give a rough map of Essex's territorial claims, and what it controls, maybe a sphere of influence and I'll incorporate it in. Mumby 18:11, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Current map of Suffolk
Would you say this is a fair representation of the current state of play in Suffolk.

Red = Woodbridge

Pink = Ipswich

Purple = Babergh and the Condominium of West Suffolk Verence71 14:01, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Yup, that seems fine! Oh, now you mention it, what will be the fate of Ipswich after BHD - will Woodbridge annex it? Fegaxeyl 15:13, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Well we have "claimed" Ipswich for years so BHD would be the perfect opportunity to make good on the claim Verence71 19:27, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Arstar
Not control. Just caretaking them for him.

He's said it's a wikibreak, and he does check in sometimes. Not sure if it actually is one or not, mind. Lordganon 17:56, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

Not a clue, I'm afraid. I think I may have his e-mail somewhere around here, though, if you need him.

Way I figure it, this is about the Celtic Alliance request that you made to Arstar. I'm not updating his articles for him, or anything, but I did say I'd keep half an eye on them for him. Far as I'm concerned, so long as you leave a note on his page detailing what it is, and let me know about it for some sort of approval, waiting a few days before actually adding it, you and the other Brit editors can largely do as you please with it.

Lordganon 08:36, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

The Ipswich Incident
This is the name I've given to BHD and I've started a sub-section for it on the main Woodbridge article. Perhaps what you might like to do is start a new article for the Incident and then place a link to it in the Woodbridge article. Verence71 09:24, April 29, 2011 (UTC)

As for the site of BHD how about Gippeswyk Park or Chantry Park??

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=207933209789083287620.00047b3f32714914b4c0d&ll=52.054179,1.151204&spn=0.010556,0.030813&z=15&source=embed

Verence71 20:28, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

It would make sense as Portman Road is centrally situated and it's only a stone's throw away from the Buttermarket so the the gangs could rush to the crash site to make sure that none of the crew escape. Verence71 22:31, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

By and large I think your plans for BHD are pretty good

I'm thinking that Robson and the higher echelons of the government and military are unaware of the connections between the minor Ipswich clans and corruprt parts of the military via organised crime in Woodbridge. That means that they can honestly deny any knowledge of the "arms trade".

Nevertheless the "Ipswich Incident" will cause them to lose their overall majority in Parliament. Later in the year information about the connection will come to light causing them to lose a vote of confidence thus leading to another election. Verence71 14:01, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry about it, real life must always come first.

I've posted the results of the the election and the Tories have a one seat majority Verence71 16:08, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

I've just taken a look at what you've done for the Ipswich Incident so far and I have to say that I am very much liking the look of it Verence71 13:34, May 27, 2011 (UTC)

Looks like it's "brown trousers time" for Prime Minister Robson!! Verence71 14:10, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Woodbridge's victory will come at a very high cost military and politically. Thanks to the reports in the Woodbridge Examiner the Deputy Foreign Minister who is involved in the corruption will be on trial thus leading to a bye-election. This would cause the govt to lose it's majority. Possibly in the aftermath of the trial two of the more liberal (with a small 'l') Tory MPs could resign the party whip which in turn could lead the PM losing a vote of confidence and calling another General Election. Verence71 15:07, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

That's fine although the Minister and officer won't get "found out" until late May it would be obvious that a lot of rumours about corruption would start to flow about. Verence71 15:22, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

TSPTF
Would you be at all interested in a Lieutenant or Constable position? Lordganon 06:14, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

Lordganon 02:36, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

Heh. Yeah, this time of year will be a bit hedgy for you, but we all have times like that. I figure you're around enough for either position - net duties are to just keep an eye out for things when you are around :p

So, Interested in one or the other?

Lordganon 09:31, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

All right, Constable it is. Gimme like 5 mins and I'll have the nomination up - all you need to do then is accept it, and give why you'd like it, etc.

Yeah, you still need to post on their talk page, so long as the timeline doesn't have the adoption message on it.

Lordganon 10:00, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

All righty, bit more than 5, but it's up. Lordganon 10:12, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations, you are now a Constable in the TSPTF. This allows you to showcase the TSPTF membership badge on your user page. Furthermore it gives you the rollback power on this wiki. In the History page of an article you will notice a new option called "rollback". This is an anti-vandalism tool. It allows you to quickly undo edits in case someone has made more than one edit to a page. By clicking rollback it will immediately revert the article to a time before the offending editor edited the page. This is your most important duty. By agreeing to be a constable, you are promising to do your best to patrol for vandals and trolls.

When you get the chance, please go to the TSPTF page, and sign up for some responsibilities. In reality, none of us have the time to devote to all of the duties that are expected of an administrator of the wiki. You are expected, however, to sign up for at least three responsibilities listed in that section. These are duties that you are agreeing to carry out to the best of your ability every time you are on this wiki. I'm hoping that by doing this the members of the TSPTF can efficiently share the work load of the wiki and gives us time for the real reason we are here. Since you are only a constable and do not have the power to delete or block, do not feel obligated to sign up for any duties you do not have the powers to do. Please inform myself or others in a position to do so if you see a problem that involves a needs for either of those things.

Again, congratulations on being elected to the TSPTF and good luck.

Lordganon 22:13, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

Kent Expansion
We talked about the co-operation of Essex and Southern England in invading kent a while back. I have been busy recently with my Exams but they have finished now so I was wondering if you wanted to start writing about it?Vegas adict 12:52, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

The infobox and basic summary have been put up but I haven't filled out any dates or details becuase I'm not sure when you want the operation to start. There is one other thing however, the map gives you control of Dover i'm asuming that you also think it was nuked. If not their may be more to discus.Vegas adict 17:49, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Something that may interest you about Kent, Ray Mears (the survivalist) would have been teaching his survival skills workshop in the North Downs (where he lived at the time) around the time of DD. If anyone would've survived DD in this area he and his team would have. I doubt he would've gone 'evil or bad' but he may well have set up a survivalist camp somewhere in the north. Possibly an allied commander in the area to join with?--Smoggy80 18:21, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I can't belive that Folkestone would be nuked so I'l go with both of them being spared. In that case would Essex agree to come to a deal with Southern England to ensure that Southern England still controls the major shipping lanes in the chanal. While Essex could still control the port would it be ok with paying a tarif to Southern English for thier help in managing the shipping in the chanal. Vegas adict 20:19, June 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Dover - third wave (100KT)
 * Straight from the UK article. Thought I'd tell you. Lordganon 20:26, June 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * You ok with that Fegaxyal?Vegas adict 10:23, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

The Southern English government might be ok with helping to rebuild the port so long as the Port Authority was run by them and the profit from all shipping tarifs were split between them and Essex and Southern English shiping was exempt. Regardless of the status of Dover when do you want to start filling in the artical on the invasion?Vegas adict 08:56, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

The idea of a "Southern English quarter" apeals to me so i'm fine with that idea.Vegas adict 15:10, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, is the expansion real time or from a point in the past, if it is the latter when do you want it to have started?Vegas adict 16:04, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

Matlock
Will Matlock be expanding anytime soon? as Newolland is spreading west taking all of Lincolnshire and possibly Nottinghamshire. With Derbyshire being directly to the west of Nottinghamshire, you may want to start claiming land around the town of Matlock before it gets too late to do so--Smoggy80 19:58, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Mansfield area
i'm not planning on exploring the area around Mansfield, the closest i'm getting is the North Nottinghamshire towns of Worksop, Retford and Newark-upon-Trent, however if you want me to add anything in that the locals have told the Cleveish troops about the area let me know and i'll add it.--Smoggy80 13:35, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

As i've not heard anything from you in relation to the above post i'll let you know that Retford and Worksop have asked to become part of Newolland (and will become part of Newolland by late September 2011) while Newark-upon-Trent is the western most township of the Anti-communist nation of the Democratic Republic of Lindsey.--Smoggy80 11:01, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

I'm planning renovating the railway line through Worksop and Retford but if you want i can extend the line down to Mansfield. Once you've written the article about Mansfield let me know if you want me to extend the line--Smoggy80 18:11, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Wasteland Europe
Regarding your recent comment on an article labeled 'obsolete': Sorry, Fegaxeyl, but a random edit to the page brought it to my attention and it was/is an alternate history of which I am an administrator. It is open for additions as a 'live' collaborative project. You are welcome to 'adopt a nation' and work on it. The timeline was the idea of Arstarpool and he asked me to help, so I did. After a flurry of activity we both got busy back on 1983: Doomsday. Activity has lulled even there, so if you feel a time line is worth it, edit or at least offer helpful suggestions. SouthWriter 01:34, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you
I just wanted to say that I appreciate your coming to my defense when Lordganon started eviscerating me. I joined this website only a few days ago, just wanting to have fun and explore my ideas, and it really hurt to be gutted so quickly before I was even given a chance. So, thank you. And perhaps we might work together on making my timeline more definite, so people like him don't have excuses to bully people. I don't even know what his malfunction is. I've read a lot of stuff here, and I've seen timelines based on far more tenuous things than mythology. Like Hitler getting into art school. And I had everything planned, too. C'est la vie, right? Kurt Qel-Droma 14:11, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

One last question. Another fellow on the talk page suggested a POD more based on historical fact than mine, but here's the kicker: I had quite literally everything planned from my original POD. My idea was that during the first book of the Iliad, Athena never intervenes (i.e. Achilles' common sense doesn't kick in) in Achilles' argument with Agamemnon, causing Achilles to kill both him and Menelaus, usurp their kingdoms, and take the rest of the Greeks home. I had six or seven wars, spies, da Vinci's flying machine, radically different Christianity, and loads of other cool stuff. What do you suggest I do? Kurt Qel-Droma 02:49, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I just wanted to say thanks again for your support. I've already started the timeline. It's a work in progress but it's pretty abitious, so I thought I'd ask a more seasoned fellow like yourself to take a looksee as I progress. When you get a free moment you can check it out here. Feel free to drop me a line on my page or the talk for the timeline. Kurt Qel-Droma 17:48, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Attack on Rutland
With Essex providing 1500 troops and an airship I was wondering what you would want the Essex casulty rates to be? Cleveland's sending 1500 troops and my plans are to have maybe 100ish killed and further 270ish wounded, would it be ok for Essex casulties to be in the same range?--Smoggy80 17:19, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

ok i'll revise the totals. I was considering having one airship being fired upon, taking some light damage and one crew member slightly injured would that be ok?--Smoggy80 17:46, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

I've put the total TBA troops at 3200 (ish) with 2500 on the Hambleton penisular and the rest in the fortified town of Oakham.--Smoggy80 17:13, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

RE:A present
Hello there, I'm glad we had the pleasure of talking for the first time and I hope we get to again. Anyway, this is absolutely remarkable, and I thank you for taking the time to edit it. Unfortunately I am not the author of the timeline anymore, but I'm sure the new adopter, 9 もりや すわこ would appreciate it. :P ChrisL123 22:56, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Jobsworth
Thanks, Feg. I knew there was a word for it! That word, far from an insult, was just what I had said - all in nine letters. There's no changing one, though. And I don't think this one is going anywhere. Hang in there, buddy. SouthWriter 22:02, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Ipswich Incident
Are you still working on the Incident?? I only asked cos Smoggy was asking on the talk page whether it was finished or not.. Verence71 18:24, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

That's okay, I remember you sayin you might have some trouble finishing it could you had some exams coming up Verence71 19:29, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Possible future expansion into the centre of England
Given that you are talking about Essex expanding westward it might be an idea to discuss possible future zones of expansion.

The discussion on the OBN talk page mentioned Berkshire, Buckinghamshire and Oxfordshire as possible option for you. That seems reasonable but I have some suggestion for possible zones of influence for Woodbridge.

In order to give us a wider Western Corridor I wonder if it might be acceptable for Woodbridge to stake a future claim to Bedfordshire and possibly the northern thirds of Buckinghamshire and Oxfordshire?? Verence71 14:10, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

New London and the Celtic Alliance in Southern England
I don't know if you've reading the OBN talk page about my concerns about New London, mainly if it exists and if it does, why its not connected to the OBN nations in former southeast England?

The section was written by Arstar before any of these OBN nation were written, anyway i raised the problem on the OBN talk page and LG's shot me down in flames, if you can have a read of the sections on the History of the CA page (those being the New London section and the Southern England section) and see what you think?

i've also sent this to Vegas as you two are the editors of the articles closest to this region--Smoggy80 18:23, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

Matlock DD83
I'm modifying Trent and Derwent Valleys.The River Nile-2 03:00, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

I was wondering what your plans for Matlock are, what with the former UK is being divided up and all.

Would you mind if Cleveland and possibly other OBN nations (maybe Lancaster and Newolland) goes in the pacify the area (or brings democracy however you want to word it)--Smoggy80 17:04, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

In that case if you want to expand Matlock I would grab land quick because it looks like LG wants all that land for the CA (Newolland and Cleveland have no claims in that area)

--Smoggy80 18:04, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

CA/Essex border
I'm updating the CA page (after Arstar gave me permission) i've added that there are discussion with Essex about formalising a border, so I thought i'd better have a discussion with you.

Anyway, in that rough area near Essex, the CA is down as controlling southern Buckinghamshire ( Districts of South Bucks, Chiltern, Wycombe) and all of Oxfordshire and Worchestershire and it will not expand any further than that. So that will be hopefully the border?

So Northern Buckinghamshire (Milton Keynes and district of Aylesbury Vale), southern Northamptonshire (the North is Newolland's) and Bedfordshire are free for Essex expansion.

Is that ok with you?

--Smoggy80 20:20, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

In answer to your question:

Is there any historical precedent for an ostensibly enlightened nation like the CA sponsoring a more violent one simply out of the idea of 'any government is better than no government'?

The Warlord Era in China between the World Wars would be a case in point.

BTW I wonder if Woodbridge could put in a claim for the northern half of Bedfordshire??

Verence71 22:57, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Verence is incorrect. That is most definitely not an example of that.

Fact of the matter is, no one has ever done that. Closest thing is the propping up of regimes friendly to whichever government wants them in power. But, that's not even close - none of them were a state like the TBA, nor was it a question of "any government is better than no government." Only a nation with their ideology would at all support them in such a manner. Heck, the TBA would, given their ideology, hate the CA. And vice-versa.

User:Lordganon 02:48, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

There is a political party Party of British Nationalists and Conservatives (PBNC) active within the Celtic Alliance which are rumoured to have political links with the TBA.

However I don't think that the Celtic Alliance proper would've had any links with the TBA, in fact they had in the past they had assisted with the removal of dictatorships in the former UK (Worthing, West Sussex for Southern England) as well as Ur Alba last year.

But systems set up by the CA may have been taken over or co-opted by the TBA for their own means, like end of life centres being turned into death camps, but all the CA troops would've have to have been killed for that to have happened. There would've likely been swift CA retribution for an act like that.

--Smoggy80 10:38, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

A Business Proposal
On the OBN talk page you mentioned that Essex was "economically doomed". Well, I've got an idea. One of Lancaster's biggest exports is textiles and given my plans for the Lancaster Trading Company it's going to get to the point where Lancaster and the WFA can't meet the demand for wool, flax and nettle. Well, maybe not wool, there is a lot of sheep up there after all, but the other two still stand. Since Essex has both farmland and sheep but no mills, what would you say to them producing the raw materials for Lancaster's textile industry? The Lancastrians would be happy to give a fellow OBN member a good deal and it'd be a fairly steady source of revenue for Essex. On a related note, if Essex has enough workers going spare during quiet periods in the agricultural year, Lancaster could probably find a use for them. I don't know what the exchange rate between the Lancastrian pound and the New Pound would be like but I'd think that Lancastrian wages would be a bit better the Essex ones. Not sure how feasible that would be though.Tessitore 00:55, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. I should probably mention that apparently nettles will grow on land unsuitable for most crops and pretty much grow themselves (seriously, once a patch is established you can more or less leave it to its own devices for most of the year and just harvest it when it's ready). Also, since you mentioned Kent, I don't know if it'd apply to the ATL but in OTL Kent has a lot of hop growing and Lancaster does have two breweries.Tessitore 20:48, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Nicknames for currency
That's an interesting idea

Something similar could happen with notes. In the US differing denominations of bills have nicknames according to who appears on them In the case of New Pounds famous people from Suffok (or Essex) could appear on the notes and the nicknames could go from there Verence71 23:50, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * $100 = "Benjamins" after Benjamin Franklin
 * $20 = "Jacksons" after Andrew Jackson
 * $10 = "Hamiltons" after Alexander Hamilton
 * $2 = "Jeffersons" after Thomas Jefferson

Some possibilities are
 * George Borrow
 * Benjamin Britten
 * Millicent Fawcett
 * Edward FitzGerald
 * Cardinal Wolsey

Verence71 15:40, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

They were all either native-born Suffolkers or in the case of George died in Suffolk

Verence71 16:49, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Those people would go on the notes but I think your idea about the coins having the head of state on one side and some sort of bird on the other

The way I'm thinking there will be £1, £5, £10, £20 and £50 notes and 1, 5, 10, 20 and 50p pieces

Verence71 19:18, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I'll have to think about that Verence71 19:52, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

So what do you think of Macp-1

AAAZ
So, I was reading into the AAAZ page and I realised with superior Aash'n biotech, the Mahgreb would be a changed place. So would it be possible for me to create a proposal on the Climate of the Mahgreb. Would that be ok? :D Imperium Guy 20:40, March 28, 2012 (UTC)