Romae Delenda Est (Map Game)

Hello and Welcome to Romae Delenda Est, or Rome is to be destroyed. This is a new map game that will begin in 215 BC, immediatly after the end of the Second Punic War in which Hannibal has achieved a great victory against the young Roman Republic. This map game is here to discover the enormous changes in history, technology, cultures, architecture, and life that would result from a Carthaginian Victory in the Second Punic War.

 "Alea iacta est" - The die is cast - Julius Caesar

POD
The point of divergence is in 218 BC, when Carthaginian Military Genius Hannibal crossed the Alps with an invasion army meant for Rome. In the crossing he lost men, elephents, siege equipment and moral, but manage to fight Rome victoriously until 214 BC, when he was was subject to the Fabian strategy of attritian and was forced to leave Rome to defend Carthage. In this timeline, Hannibal manages to get his siege equipment across the Alps and siege Roman cities, taking a great many of them and Establishing Land Dominance. He barely manages to take Rome, and even then he cannot hold it for very long. With Romes Enjoyed Naval Dominance over Carthage for the duration, Scipio Africanus begins his invasion of Carthago Nova, the Carthaginian colony in Hispania, defeating Hannibals brother. As both sides hold important territories, Hannibal calls peace with the Roman Acting Dictator Fabian, and gains new territories in Italy, while allowing Rome to gain some territories in Hispania. The world has change. Everyone now knows Rome can be beaten.

Rules
 Romae Delenda Est (Map Game)  

Mods
Co-Creator/Head Mod: EiplecOco (talk) 21:24, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Co Creator/Second Mod: Feudalplague (talk) 20:05, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Third Mod:Mafia (talk) 20:05, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Other Third Mod:  OreoToast555(Talk)(Sandbox) 19:55, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Other Other Third Mod: CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 03:06, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

Map Makers
Inferal (talk) 20:27, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

OreoToast555(Talk)(Sandbox) 19:56, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

'''I need you to upload our Map to the page under the heading, I tried and failed. EiplecOco (talk) 21:24, August 1, 2013 (UTC)'''

I got the map up no worries Feudalplague (talk) 21:49, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Historical Mods
Inferal (talk) 20:27, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * North American
 * South American:
 * Middle East:
 * Asia:
 * Oceania:
 * Europe: Bfoxius (talk) 01:00, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 03:07, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

Grammar Nazis


Inferal (talk) 20:27, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Algorithm Mod
&#35;LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 20:01, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Nations
Be aware that this is 215 BC and many nations will emerge on their own between now and the end of the game!

Europe:

 * Roman Republic: Sine dei gloriem (talk) 21:38, August 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * Iberian Tribes: Diforto (talk) 03:05, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Macedonian Confederacy&#35;LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 06:22, August 3, 2013 (UTC)ia:
 * City state of Appolonia:


 * Scythians


 * British Tribes: Trust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 22:59, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Welsh Tribes:This is UglyTurtle, Signing off. 01:24, August 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Picts: Bfoxius (talk) 01:12, August 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Celtic Tribes of Ireland: G greg e (talk) 21:47, August 1, 2013 (UTC) Messege me upon start please


 * Aquintine:


 * Epirus:Likenhaufen (talk) 03:42, August 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thracians:


 * Illyrians: Quashi (talk) 02:33, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Dacians:
 * Bosphorus Tribes:
 * Georginian Tribes:
 * Proto-Finnish Tribes: Inferal (talk) 18:03, August 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Karelian Tribes:
 * Tavastian Tribes:
 * Old Prussian Tribes:
 * Yotvingian Tribes:
 * Livonian Tribes:
 * Frisian Tribes:
 * Saxon Tribes:
 * Teuton Tribes:
 * Germanian Tribes:  Reximus   Maximus
 * Alemani Tribes:
 * Celtican Tribes: CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 03:07, August 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Belgican Tribes:Mr YOLO (talk) 19:10, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Narbonensis
 * Helvetii Tribes:
 * Cispaline Gallic Tribes:
 * Scandinavian Tribes: Willster22 (User talk:Willster22) 05:09, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Middle East:

 * Seleucid Empire:DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 02:47, August 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ptolemaic Egypt :  VX-641 (talk) 00:03, August 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Pontus: iAmVictoriousVVW (talk) 06:06, August 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Armenia:


 * Arabian Tribes:
 * Atropatene:
 * Gerrha:
 * Mascat:
 * Hadramaut:
 * Qataban:
 * Saba:
 * Ma'in:
 * Nabataea:

Africa:

 * Republic of Carthage : EiplecOco (talk) 20:31, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Numidia (Carthaginian Vassal): EiplecOco (talk) 21:14, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Meroe:
 * Damot:
 * Axum:
 * Somolian Tribes:
 * Serer Tribes:
 * Bantu Tribes:

Asia:

 * Qin China: --Ninjasvswarriors (talk) 02:15, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Parthia:
 * Mauryan Empire:&#35;yay an edit conflict (talk) 11:06, August 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Cholas:
 * Yamato Japan: -Kogasa
 * Ainu Japan:
 * Yayoi Japan:
 * Korea: Daeseunglim (talk) 23:55, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Dong-Hu:
 * Qiang:
 * Sumatran Tribes:
 * Kutai:
 * Pyu Burma:
 * Mon Burma:

North America

 * Chihuahua Tribes:
 * Ohio Tribes:
 * Swift Creek Tribes:
 * Marksville Tribes: -- 20:50, August 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Crab Orchard Tribes:
 * Havana Tribes:
 * Saugeen Tribes:
 * Laurel Tribes: canada2hy.jpg Hypothetical Alberta Blue Ensign.svg OreoToast555(Talk)(Sandbox) 19:55, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * St. Johns Tribes:
 * Innuits: Hailstormer (talk) 19:29, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Shoshone Tribes:

South and Central America:

 * TeotihuacanMafia (talk)
 * Canaris Tribes:
 * Mayan City States: CourageousLife (talk)

Oceania:

 * Austrilian Aborigines: Warman555 (talk)
 * New Zealand Maori: The Doctor is in...

215 B.C.
' Europe:  Hannibal returns to Carthage a hero, but little do his people know that the war was purely a stalemate with a great cost. Romes military Dictator Fabian steps down following the failure of his defense of Rome, Scipio Africanus returns to Rome from Hispania and it recieved well but Rome has suffered large scale destruction. Many of the Tribes in Europes such as the Iberians and Celtica have grown much stronger from the war between the two civilizations to the soth. ''  With Carthage and Rome at each other's throats, many Romans, especially in the north parts of the nation, move south. Some also move to the Macedonian Confederacy, strengthening this stagnant Hellenic nation. '''

''' Africa: The Carthaginian power in africa is significantly curbed as their loss of men in Italy has widely caused some outrage that many of these men, despite the victory were sent on a Suicide mission. Many Carthaginians seeing the forming Cold war move towards ptolemic egypt out of ancient ancestry, and others who worship the Pantheon of Greek gods, which is a small number leave for Greece '''

 Middle East:   ''' Ptolemy IV begins to curb Seleucid weapon shipments to Egyptian natives in Southern and Central Ptolemaic Egypt, The Seleucids suffer from Unrest in thier asian parts of the Empire frpm overextension. '''

''' North America: Trade begins to flow between the seminomadic Shoshone, and the nomadic Chihuahua peoples. A trade outpost is founded between their territory. Called Agaidiaka, many settle there, and it becomes the first real permanant village in the region. '''

''' South America: A Stagnant farming community in South America resorts to subjugating many of the very small tribes in the area surrounding them turning them into Tributaries of their growing city. '''

''' Asia/Oceania: The Qin Chinese although very promising are showing obvious issues as many of the oppressive techniques used by the Emperor has caused massive amounts of unrest just near the breaking point. '''

 Mauryan empire:   The emperor dies, and Salisuka, a buddhist, takes power. He is liked better in the public then the previous empire. The Military grows larger, with a lesser focus on the navy. They notice the turmoil in the asian seculids, and ponder an invasion

Picts: A Caitian warlord known as Niall macGodric seeks to unify the fragmented Picts. His campaigns take him south and east, and much of his "warring" is accomplished through diplomacy, to where at the end of the year, the Picts have been unified. With the capital near OTL Wick, king Niall begins to build up military with an emphisis on metal weapons to combat the tribes to the south. Mining begins near Glasgow, and iron is discovered.

Teotihuacan: Begins to expand Southwards. A vein of Bright, Yellowish Metal is discovered in a sacred cave, and, as it is soft, we begin to mine it out, after the High Priest declared that it is holy. Another vein was discovered in a normal cave, and this is mined out also. The sacred Metal begins to be used for the Priests jewelry, and the non-sacred is used as decoration on the empero's palace, and others, as well as Jewellery for the rich. Another, harder metal is discovered in a deep Gorge, but we don't want to mine this yet, as we have no reason to. Army is upgraded

Yamato Japan: Begins to build up the military. Emperor Kōrei soon dies and is succeeded by Emperor Kōgen. A Palace begins to be built around OTL Toyooka, Hyōgo.
 * Korea: Asks for an alliance with Yamato Japan.
 * Yamato Diplomacy: Emperor Kōgen accepts Korea's alliance offer.

Macedonian Confederacy/Byzantine Empire: The King of the Macedonian Phillip and with close coalition agree that in order to facilitate a stronger nation and to prevent issues within the confederacy an Empire must in fact be created. Using a major greek tradition and well off system they agree to Elect Phillip of Macedon as their Emperor on the condition that either the King, leader, or an appointed representative of every province form a Council to limit the power of the Emperor so he cannot heavily exploit the country like so many do. Issues on deciding on a city flare up but many agree that Byzantium should be th Capital of this new empire, and that with its strategic trade area, and its ability to be a massive port city are well recieved and Byzantium is made the capital. The Change into an Empire is expected to take about a 10 to 20 years with elections for new Emperor to take place within the time period to decide the Ruling Family of the Empire. With Thouands of Romans immigrating to the new Confederation/Empire they are given a new place in society to help establish and build the Byzantine Senate (The council) which with Roman expertise from the few senators that moved to the Empire would be best used. The ex-Romans all together are fully established in Byzantium in their own newly built district of the city. The Cities of Athens, Rhodes, and Pergamum are commisioned to build more ships for the Byzantine Navy. The former roman soldiers in the empire are paid and commissioned to help explain how their military forces worked so as to either modify the Phalanx pikemen or create a new unit with will be a new addition to the Empire military ranks. '''Army score is upgraded to 1.75. '''And the Military is expanded to include near 70,000 troops. most believe its a gross overextension of the empires resources but the threat of enemies to the north wins out and its accepted. '''We begin to heavily influence appolonia, and moderately influence Epirus and Pontus. Halicarnassus a ptolemic city is also heavily influenced using the Byzantines central and origin factor of hellenic culture to influence them. '''Our section of the Medditerrenean sea is gaurded heavily to prevent undesireables from reaching the European portions this patrolling and gaurding goes all the way down to the unoccupied part of north africa. The feasibility of a Joint, Greco-Macedonian colony in the unoccupied part of Africa is talked about for the comming years.

Macedonian/Byzantine Dip: We ask for Appolonia to become part of the Byzantine Empire (RNG 1-4 yes 5 unused 6-10 7 no for now). We ask Epirus for a trade agreement as well as a military alliance, We ask the Ptolemics and Seleucids for trade agreements and concurrent non aggression pacts.

Epirus D: Accepts alliance and trade agreement.

Ptolemic Egypt: Accepts a non agression pact and Eastern Medditarranean alliance to counter the growing power of Rome and Carthage.

Republic of Carthage: Hannibal returns to Carthage and receives a great military parade, many believing he truly is the greatest general in the known world. Hasdrubal, Hannibal's brother becomes governor of Carthaginian Iberia, and he recruits local Iberians to be prepared for any Roman action in the new Roman Iberia. Mago, Hannibal's other brother. becomes Governor of Carthaginian Italia, recruiting local Gauls and Latins to replenish the departed Carthaginian Army. Trade continues across the Mediterranean as the Carthaginian navy continues to dominate trade. Iron plows, as well as other agricultural equipment is shipped to the Carthaginian colonies in the Iberian Peninsula to promote agricultural growth in the region. The two Suffets of Carthage, one of the Magonids and the other of the Massylians, are still wary of Hannibal and his boldness, but nonetheless congradulate him and help bring even greater prestige to the Barcid family. '''Hasdrupal sends two diplomats/generals into the Northern Iberian Tribes, to buy mercenaries. Mago buys many Gallic mercenaries but finds many Latins unwilling to aid him. '''Hannibal has a child after returning to Carthage with his Iberian wife, and he names the child Hamilicar Barca II in honor of his father. Expansion of the Carthaginian navy begins once more, with twenty Quinquereme's and twenty Galley's put into construction and are finished in a year and a half. We upgrade our navy by 0.25
 * Carthaginian Diplomacy: Hannibal of Carthage wishes to discuss the terms of the peace treaty with the Roman Senate in a neutral location.
 * Hispanic Confederacy: The two diplomats/generals comming from Hasdrupal are killed and their money stolen.

Qin China: The emperor stops some major construction projects, including the construction of the royal palace and the Terracotta Army. Confucianism is not oppressed anymore, after the emperor accepted and followed some of his son's advice, although legalism is still held at the highest esteem. Books of out-of-date practices are burnt to stop it from misjudging people, while tricksters and con artists are executed. The Great Wall of China continues being built. Although it is changed to voluntary work with a higher salary then farming. This change is influenced by a small worker riot, which put that section of the Great Wall 3 months under par. The army is trained vigorously and the cavalry is trained to fight like the Xiongnu, Qin's greatest enemy. They are trained to fight like a migratory tribe, with a large emphasis on raiding and counter-raids. Also, they are trained on stealth and sneak attacks. The military advisers begins studying the use of infantry in cavalry warfare. A voyage is commissioned to go to Korea and contact the nation in Korea.
 * Korea: Asks for an alliance with Qin China.
 * Mauryan D: Asks for alliance

Korea: The Kingdom of Korea begins to prepare an expedition to go to Japan. We begin to build up our military.

Roman Republic: the Roman government agrees on the Carthaginian treaty. while this the military is built up and the Roman navy is upgraded by 0.25, Thirty Quinquereme's and 40 galleys are made, Fabian gives his power back to the senate, who in a surprising move choose scipius as ruler of the Roman Hispania, knowing that it was him the one that in the first place gained the territory. While this the senate awaits for the meeting and offer it to be in Massalia, a closer Mediterranean nation. While this many man are recruited from Roman Italy and some Cisalpine gauls, While this exploration through the Venetian lands occur as some trading ships travel to the core of the Cisalpine gaul and Venetii lands through the Po river. 10.000 soldiers are recruited from southern Italy.


 * Macedonian/Byzantine Dip: We offer a large scale trade agreement now that the war is over.
 * Carthaginian Diplomacy: We agree to holding the treaty in Massalia, and will send the two Suffets along with Mago to attend the meeting (Do the treaty in chat, talk page, or what?)

Belgican Tribes: The young head man of a northern tribe conquers the other northern tribes and calls himself "The King of the Low Lands". He wants an centralised trade system and therefor economy is improved by 0.25
 * Most of the Romain roads were not build in 215 B.C. and there were already very good reads in Gaul. I don't think that you would knows about Roman roads or need them. 

Selucid Empire: The Selucids begin building up there military and constructing roads across the country. W e begin fortifying our border with India, although we send an envoy to them stating it is only a precaution and we mean nothing offensive or aggressive by it. The Selucid ruler begins traveling across the country, encouraging greater unity among his people. We send an envoy to the Roman Republic asking for a trade pact and safe passage through Roman waters.

'''The Macedonians/Byzantines control this part of the Mediterranean... you have 0 ways to reach them, you also have no way of trading with them with out direct water access, or land access. if you asked the Macedonians I'm sure they would let you through. You also have no idea about an the Mauryans attempting any invasion. he said their leaders ponder it. it doesn't mean it announced to the world. you have no idea.'''

'''Christ! 1st turn an already most of someones post is crossed out.'''

New Zealand: Sailors from Samoa and other Pacific islands land on an uninhabited island. Their numbers are a few dozen, mostly young adult men and several women. They had no records of this islands, though they didn't keep any records of anything, really. Several brave explorers search the place, wondering whose land they had stumbled upon. They found strange, wingless bird creatures, with tall necks and long legs. One explorer, Mosamo'ana, is the first to hunt and eat them. They call the birds "longnecks". They make plentiful food for the settlers. A small village begins construction on the island. Seventeen men are chosen to go and tell the people at their former homes about this place.

Proto-Finnish Tribes: A younge man by the name of Aatu Aalto barely 20 begins a large campaign to unify the tribes. He manages to unite several in the east but in the west the frozen marshes make moving difficult. An envoy is sent to the Estonian Tribes of a trade deal (RNG +.25 economy if is agreed) and an alliance (RNG) in order to get Finnish furs in the East Baltic trade and ensur future aid against the Travatians and/or Karelians. Tin and copper deposits are found to the south and are mined in a small scale to produce bronze and give an edge against our Travatian and Karelian cousins (the military is improved by .25). The tribes begin expanding into the East into OTL Russia.

Hispanic Confereracy: The Hispanic Confederacy annexe pacfully the tribes in Hispania who were not in the Confederacty. We centralize the Confederacy, making our economy better by 0.25. The tribes next to Gaul are ask to fortify the mountains. '''Our navy score is lowered by 0.5 because we don't really have a navy. '''

'''Scores are mod lowered.. and you honestly have no reason to lower the score.'''

Celtic Tribes of Ireland:  The loose confederacy of tribes in the south and east plans an invasion of the north, wanting access to their valuable land. War wages for nearly a year and the South/East loose tribal confederacy leads his coalition to victory. The northern tribes are set onto their boats and set asail to the north as a sacrifice to the pagan gods. Little does the confederacy of tribes know. Most northern tribes would land in OTL Iceland in the early spring of 214BC, within the first year, thousands die as the people get aquanted with the territory. The confederacy's tribes have albins (elders/kings) and start a tighter confederacy bonded by the war against the now expelled northern tribes ( Upgrade Economy score? by x) . The remaining tribes begin taking the land and homes of the old tirbes. La Tene makes small advances into southeastern ireland.

'''OOC: what are we allowed to upgrade our scores? and i presume they have to have a valid reason.''' It's in the rules .25 every other turn they are reset when you hit the next nation tier

'''um if wilster doesn't take a turn in 3 turns my i take scandinavian tribes? Nkbeeching (talk) 19:00, August 5, 2013 (UTC)'''

Ptolemaic Egypt: The Ptolemy pharaoh has a strange vision in a dream. In the coming weeks an ethnic Egyptian craftsman, Ramses Moses, is hired as the prime minister of Ptolemaic Egypt. He is recognized by modern historians as one of the most capable statesmen in the history of Egypt. The old land program was reformed. Peasants farmers have been given the right to own their land in exchange for milotary service, like the cossacks OTL. When the nile floods the fields, all able bodied male villagers are enrolled in military schools. This program makes a standing army out of a poor rustic population. Egyptians serve in the army alongside Greeks, eliminating dependence on foreign mercenaries.(army +.25). Forts are built in Upper Egypt, Sinai, and Eastern Lybia to secure our borders. We ask Carthage of a non agression pact for now. VX '''VX you may only upgrade one at a time please choose economy or army. You also can't influence me I'm actually the center of Hellenic culture and there is no way you'd be selling grain to me either we don't have a trade agreement--&#35;LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 19:29, August 5, 2013 (UTC)'''
 * Carthaginian Diplomacy: We request that Carthaginian merchants be allowed into Egypt, and Egyptian merchants be allowed in Carthage for trade. And we also agree to the non-aggression pact.

Welsh Tribes: The central tribe Welsh Tribe Ordovice is hit with a moderate famine and they decide to wage war against the northern tribe Deceangli. Fearing potential Ordovice invasion the southeastern Welsh tribe Silure and the southwestern Welsh tribe Demetae united to become Silurian-Demaetaean/Southern Union. Ordovice was victorious over Deceangli and the famine stopped. With the victory the Orthovician Chieftan thought he could unify all of the Welsh Tribes and invaded the northwestern tribe of Gangani. The Southern Union then declared war on Ordovice. Meanwhile Ordovice and Cornovii had a short lived border dispute which gave time for Demetae to capture coastal Ordovicean cities and for Silure to push significantlly inland towards the Ordovicean capital. Soon Ordovice surrendered and The Southern Union formed the Kingdom of Brython.