Talk:Axis vs Allies: Reborn (Map Game)

Location
Location is how close the nation is to the place of the conflict. Goes by capital city.
 * At the war: 5
 * Next to the war: 4
 * Close to the war: 3
 * Far from the war: 2
 * Halfway around the world: 1

Tactical Advantage

 * Attacker’s advantage: 1
 * Defender’s advantage: 2
 * Home is desert: Defenders +3, attackers -3
 * Home is island: Defenders +4, attackers -4

Strength

 * Every nation militarily helping with belligerents/defenders: 3
 * Every nation nonmilitarily helping with belligerents/defenders: 2
 * Side with greater population: 3
 * Side with greater industry: 3
 * "Big Cheese" Advantage (USA, Soviet Union, UK, Japan, Germany for now):+4

Motive

 * Life or death (country’s sovereign existence is threatened): 10
 * Religious: 7
 * Social/moral: 6
 * Political: 5
 * Economical: 3

"Special" Status
In many points in history, a revolution (Hitler, Napoleon) has led to massive military successes at first. However, such revolutions have also led to massive failures (Mussolini, the South in Amer. Civil War). If a revolution has taken place in your nation in the past 7 years into an autocratic dictatorship, you are eligible for a bonus in military. If all of the above, +10.
 * If revolution to autocratic dictatorship in past 7 years.
 * If you get 6 or more in chance.

Morale

 * Recent military defeats (battles): -2
 * Extermination of conquered peoples: -3
 * Motive is less than 6: -1

Nuclear weapons

 * Strategic nuclear weapon use on capital city: +10 for belligerent, -10 for defendant (of nuke). +2 per additional nuke for belligerent, -2 per additional nuke for defendant.
 * Strategic nuclear weapon use on major city: +7 for belligerent, -10 for defendant (of nuke). +1.5 per additional nuke for belligerent, -1.5 per additional nuke for defendant.
 * Strategic nuclear weapon use on minor city: +5 for belligerent, -10 for defendant (of nuke). +1 per additional nuke for belligerent, -1 per additional nuke for defendant.
 * Tactical nuclear weapon use: +5 for first tactical nuke, +.5 per additional nuke.
 * Nuclear weapon use for belligerent: -5 morale this turn and next turn.
 * Nuclear weapon use for defendant: -2.5 morale this turn only.

Economic situation

 * Great economy: +5
 * Fair economy: +3
 * Average economy: +1
 * Poor economy: -3
 * Crashing economy: -5

Chance
Take the UTC time at that moment. (ie 21:32). Then, multiply those numbers. Any zeros count as one. Then take the declaring user's edit count. Then divide the UTC number by the edit count. Multiply that number by pi Take the fifth digit in the number, and there's your chance. Then, for the opponent, take the eighth number. And there you go!
 * 2*1*3*2= 8
 * ie 2831.
 * 8/2831= 0.00282585658
 * 0.00282585658*pi= 0.00887318966
 * 7
 * 8

Plausibility Points
Take the difference between the user with more plausibility points and multiply it by 1.5. That number is added to their score. If it is against a non-user nation, the user automatically receives a +2.

Result
The winner will get to take the city(ies) they were targeting. If the winner wins by more than 1.5x the score, they will take 4 cities. If they win any number less, they will take 2 cities. If the user wins by more than 2x the score, 8 cities will be taken. If the user wins by more than 4x the score, the nation will capitulate.

Changes from Axis vs Allies: Revolutions

 * Added mod rules section
 * Added regulations to mapmaking
 * Added Plausibility Points
 * Added inactivity penalty.
 * Added proxies.
 * Changed start time to 22:00:00 UTC.

Patch 1

 * Added plausibility points to War Algorithm.
 * User will be penalized 1 point from their Plausibility Points if the miss a day without any notice.

Patch 2

 * Removed penalty for inactivity in Plausibility Points.

Patch 3

 * Removed Plausibility Points.
 * Removed Plausibility Points from algorithm.

Patch 4

 * Removed the algorithm.

Patch 5

 * The algorithm has been reinstated with major changes.

Discussion
Thanks for dealing with the last game's problems with 'power gameing' and mod bias.The River Nile-2 (talk) 21:28, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

who was the biased mod? Sine dei gloriem (talk) 21:29, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Well, Zaire vs S. Africa was a bit ASB on the previous game as the mod and the player power-gamed and hyper-conquered. Don't worry, Sine dei gloriem, since both you and Pitakang are not the fellows I was talking about. What ever, let's forget about the other game and start anew on this one. The River Nile-2 (talk) 21:38, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

ok. and yeah i remember zaire's player aswell made a Turkish empire aswell, lets hope this doesnt happen here Sine dei gloriem (talk) 21:40, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

I'm still going to build my empire. If Japan, Germany, Britian, and Italy can do it, I see no reason I can't. Of course it will be more plausible. I'm gonna build up to it like the Japanese, come up with some lousy excuse of friendship or something, and then go in for the kill. The East Asian Africaghdfghdfghdfghdfghdfn Co-Prosperity Sphere. Unless, you have a problem with that... Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 18:20, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

That's OK.The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:42, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

"Come up with some lousy excuse of friendship or something" The quote of the week

Thanks
Thanks, PitaKing, for fixing my flag (Francoist Spain), since I didn't know how to fix it. I really appreciate it. Stewdio333 (talk) 21:23, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

No problem! Although it's Pita Kang, not King, lol. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 23:36, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

I actually misread your name as PitaKing for the longest time. The first time I saw your name, I thought 'I like pita bread too'. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 23:22, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

^^Exactly what I thought. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:28, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Plausibility Points
Interesting concept. Will they be used in war algorithms? ChrisL123 (talk) 23:58, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Yup. Just a thought. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 00:13, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

How are these going to work? I'm asking because there's really nothing on the main page... Also, there was no "powergaming" by me or Scraw on the last game. Evidently, I(and obviously Scraw) do not tolerate implausibility. The Turkish Empire was an example and so was the near-miss we had with that implausible African Empire. I hope the mods in this game are as much anti-implasogasm as I am. Though, I'm not worried since Scraw is still there,AP (talk) 02:17, January 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Still you ignore the tons of information I and others gave you (funny thing is I and two other players told you you were wrong). Regardless, so long as your willing to read it and own up to the proof, then we'll be fine. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 18:22, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

I agree about limiting hyper-expatiation and hyper conquest.The River Nile-2 (talk) 16:03, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Mongolia
Mongolia was under heavy Soviet influence throughout its history, so can it be coloured in the USSR colour like Manchuria is with Japan?

And BTW, can we control our puppet states or does it go under the "one country per player" rule? Fed (talk) 16:49, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

It's been coloured in.The River Nile-2 (talk) 21:38, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Fed (talk) 21:40, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Algorimth (Or Whatever Like That) and something else
I am one of the final two players of Axis vs Allies Revised, the only Map Game of the Axis vs. Allies series that have finished by date. I am willing to tell what I am feeling as not good in this map game: Laptop_Zombie 05:01, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) I do not like the characteristic of Chances in the Algorimth calculated in such a random way. I myself don't like the idea of Algorimth, believing this was one of the reasons map game can go too difficult to understand and so challenge people like me to understand these map games. This is one of the reasons why I left the position of Denmark in AvA Revolutions. Too complicated.
 * 2) Rather than having quite a random thing for nukes, it would be better to force players to explain all their scientific researches out in the game, so mods could determine who can get nukes first. And being Big Cheese doesn't have any meaning in nukes, it's about science, not military or population, about its discovery.
 * 3) Using proxies? Ridiculous. ALL UNCHOSEN NATIONS SHOULD BE GOVERNED BY MODS, or they should be incorporated as colony, autonomous regions or associated states.
 * 4) Signature rules away? Only 3 tiles please.

I played as Egypt in Axis vs Allies Revised and was the 3rd nation. I loved Axis vs Allies Revised.The River Nile-2 (talk)

So no algorithm, because that decides alot for me The old baby (talk) 11:13, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

I doesn't mean Denmark in Congress of Vienna, I mean in AvA Revolutions I was the player of Denmark, then I left. Laptop_Zombie 12:53, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

That has nothing to do with what i asked.

I agree with Laptop and River Nile, algorithms make the game too complicated, but you still must be plausible, as I took a similar amount of time in invading the part of China I did as otl, being a little faster by using Chemical weapons instead of bio weapons

I personally believe the algorythm is necessary for wars; I mean, otherwise we'll eventually end up with Finland conquering the world. It happened in most early map games for a reason.

Big Cheese does matter for nukes. Maybe not for nuclear research, but nukes also need a lot of resources and military power, something, say, Bhutan will not have.

And how come no proxies? Proxies were extremely important in this age of history. Fed (talk) 00:01, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Axis vs Allies: Revised did better than any other Axis vs Allies game, and it had no algorithm for computers. If we do get a finland take over  the world type player, we just ban him for implausibility, but have that said we should still have an algorithm for player vs player wars.The old baby (talk) 00:10, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Well, proxy was actually invaded all the time, and it became more difficult to make maps. In AvA Revised, all the proxies were cleaned not long after, and all nations annexed their proxy, starting with USSR - Kurdistan. Interestingly, the CoA was formed by Russia (OTL Soviet Union), China and Hindustan (OTL India) and all their colonies and proxies fully integrated. Laptop_Zombie 01:29, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Hurrar, I'm joining the Game! (and may pull out soon though)

@The old baby: In your very first post in this section, do you mean that decides a lot for your map game (Napoleonic Europe Revised!) huh? Laptop_Zombie 13:31, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Boring
Is this game going boring?

A new War Algorithm idea?



 * I might have an idea?!


 * State of Economy: +10 (Florishing), +7.5 (Okay), +5 (Mild), +2.5 (Poor), 0 (Non-existent or colapsing)
 * Many or major defences and fortified places: + 10
 * War Weariness: -5 Every turn while in war, after the first turn
 * Technology: 0-10; with 0 being the worst, 5 being normal and 10 being ahead of time.
 * Knowledge of landscape: +20 for in one's homeland, + 10 for warring in an adjacent nation, -1 for low knowledge of an non-adjacent lands which are on you continent, -10 for no knowledge of a distant realm that is not even on your continent.
 * Morale: -10 In face of larger army, - 20 for completely surrounded, +5 for in face of a smaller army, +10 for surrounding enemy
 * Storming on to a coastline from the sea or on to an island, the attacker - 10 and defender + gains 10.
 * Storming in to a desert or jungle the, attacker - 10 and + defender gains 10.
 * Nuclear war gives the atomic user +10 and defnder- 10 for Strategic arms or +5 and -5 for tactical arms. +1 to the attacker and -1 to the defender if  the capial is hit
 * Every nation militarily helping with their side= +1
 * Religious, ethnic and cultural war motives = + 5 to the attacker.
 * Economic war motives = + 2 to the attacker.
 * Tactical Advantage: +5 defender/-3 attacker (for exsampel crossing the Kalahari desert)
 * Armed exspantion in large extremism climates like Greenland, Niger, Nepal and Amazonia will also be very slow due to lodgistic and climate problems for any wood-be invader. In this case the defender gets an advantage of +5 and the attacker gets a disadvantage of -6
 * Life or death = + 10 to the nation who is fearing being wiped from history.
 * Strength: # of troops divided by a factor of 10,000 (ie, 1,000,000 =100 pints)
 * Luck and weather conditions- 0-10 on Random Dot Org (to be used only as a tie breaker)
 * Add the totals up and find the biggest total. The biggest wins.
 * Do this for every turn your warring in.
 * The River Nile-2 (talk) 16:39, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Oh lord, I hate these types of algorithms...

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 19:22, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

OKThe River Nile-2 (talk)

Japan
economy:-7

Tech: 6.5

weariness -4

Knowledge of landscape: +10

Morale:+5

Nation help= +1( Korea)

coastline -0( remember, Manchuria)

Economic war motives +2

troop Number: 1,750,000, so +175 pts

total:203

China
economy: +5

Defenses +10

tech: +5

weariness: -4

morale: -10

nation help +1

Life or death: +10

numbers: 1,500,000, so 150.

total: 187

tell me if i did that wrong. The old baby (talk) 20:34, January 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * It is OK, the algorithmic is correct, but I think we are supposed to use this other one [].The River Nile-2 (talk) 22:01, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well that sucks, this one is faster and easier.The old baby (talk) 22:17, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree.The River Nile-2 (talk) 22:57, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Stop being so lazy. [[Image:IMPERIAL NY-SPQR 1.png|25px]][[Image:Regen Flag.png|30px|border]] Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:04, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not lazy, I have a byciacl!The River Nile-2 (talk) 21:04, January 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Look. No offense, but you could at least spell "bicycle" correctly. Stewdio333 (talk) 10:59, January 17, 2013(UTC)
 * Jpan had a chrashing ecomany so ecomany is -7 for japan Warman555

Algorithm
After a couple players complained about the complicated algorithm, I have decided to remove the algorithm for the game in Patch 4. They can, however come back in Patch X. Feedback, please! PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 20:35, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

I disagree. The algorithm is one of the few things that keeps the game a bit away from becoming ASB. It is essential to any map game and I vote for its return. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 21:31, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

I disagree as well. The algorithm has worked (for the most part) in all games and removing it would be a huge mistake. Plus, the people who are complaining are just to lazy to do math. Enclavehunter (talk) 22:04, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I am in multiple map games that have algorithms, some that don't, and a life outside the computer! I've never liked the Axis vs Allies algorithm anyway. The old baby (talk) 22:08, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I'm afraid there's nothing we can do about that.

Also, I think we should get rid of the "Big Cheese" thing, as the Big Cheese could always change over time so radically that the benefit would be useless.

I agree about ending the Big Cheese stuff.The River Nile-2 (talk) 21:01, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:16, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry. I left after 3 turns of things I've complained. Thanks for nice idea, but I suppose I will never join any Axis vs Allies map game from now. Laptop_Zombie 14:28, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

It's getting stultified, this argument is getting me down.The River Nile-2 (talk) 21:01, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Time to vote. Mods only, and people in the Algorithm League. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 04:13, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Keep the algorithm

 * [[Image:IMPERIAL NY-SPQR 1.png|25px]][[Image:Regen Flag.png|30px|border]] Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 04:13, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * I've changed the algorithm to match World War II a bit better. Instead of taking x percent of the defendant's land, we go by cities. For example, lets say France invades Germany and takes Franfurt or the Ruhr area. If they win by a lot (which is to determined), they get x number of cities. Still working on it. -Flag_of_South_Korea.png PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 14:19, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Never saw anything wrong with it in the first place too be honest. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 21:41, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Germany
Me no understand what happened. Italy turning into a democracy: What the hell just happened? Italy riding the moral high horse and telling Germany to back out... Lulz. Also, by the way, Italy had one of the worst armies in Europe at that time. Have fun trying to take over Germany. Also, Austria wanted to join with Germany. And, Italy with blitzkreig? Even more lulz.

Sweden invading Germany: WTF!!?! Sweden: Ally of Germany. Has been and will be. And Sweden blockading Germany coast... if it were Britain I would understand. Sweden??!?!

Anyways, whatever.

PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 14:36, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Oh and by the way, you guys didn't support Czechoslovakia before the invasion so I already took Czechoslovakia as in OTL. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 14:37, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Also, should the special status last the whole war? My inclination is that it should, since that was what happened in OTL. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 15:00, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Sweden had a popular revolt and a change in Parliament and King.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 21:04, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Germany (Belligerent)

 * Location: +3
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Germany (L, BC +8), Soviet Union (M, BC + 7), Ethiopia (M +3) = +18
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +6 (Social/Moral)
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5 (Germany had a great economy before World War II)
 * Chance: +6
 * 09:46
 * 9*4*6= 216
 * 216/7758= 0.02784222737
 * 0.02784222737*pi= 0.08746893699
 * Total: 56

Netherlands (Defendant)

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Netherlands (L+4), Britain (M, BC+7), France (M+3), Italy (M+3), Sweden (M+3), Greece (M+3) = +23
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +3
 * Total: 47

Result

 * 1939.5: Narrow German victory. Germany takes Apeeldorn and Almere, closing in on Amsterdam.
 * 1940: Decisive Germany victory. Germany takes Amsterdam, forcing the capitulation of the Netherlands.

Discussion
Wait...algorimth was removed in Patch 4!Laptop_Zombie 15:03, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

It was reinstated due to a majority mod vote. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 17:20, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Greece is supporting France/Sweden/Italy JSYK. Airlinesguy (talk) 23:30, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

United States

 * Location: 2
 * Tactical Advantage: 1 - 3 = 0
 * Strength: 13
 * Motive: 5 - 1 = 4
 * Economy: 5
 * Chance: 3 (I did do the math, but didn't feel like typing it all down).
 * Total: 27

Mexico

 * Location: 2
 * Tactical Advantage: 5
 * Strength: 0 (at the moment)
 * Motive: 10
 * Economy: 3
 * Chance: 9
 * Total: 29

Result

 * Narrow victory by the Mexico. No territory taken or lost.

Mexico

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical: 1
 * Strength: 14
 * Motive: 5
 * Morale: -3
 * Status: 10
 * Economy: 3
 * Chance: 7
 * Total: 41

Belize

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical: 2
 * Strength: 7
 * Motive: 10
 * Economy: 1
 * Chance: 5
 * Plausibility: 3
 * Total:  33

Outcome
Mexico takes half of Belize, up to Belize City.

Germany (Belligerent)

 * Location: +3
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Germany (L, BC +8), Soviet Union (M, BC + 7), Ethiopia (M +3), Sweden (S +2) = +20
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +6 (Social/Moral)
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +1
 * 15:09
 * 1*5*1*9= 45
 * 45/7802= 0.00576775185
 * 0.00576775185*pi= 0.01811992686
 * 0.01811992686
 * Total: 46

Belgium (Defendant)

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Belgium (L+4), Britain (M, BC+7), France (M+3), Italy (M+3), Greece (M+3) = +20
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +2
 * Total: 42

Result
1941: Decisive German victory. Germany takes Belgium.

Germany (Belligerent)

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Germany (L, BC +8), Soviet Union (M, BC + 7), Sweden (S +2) = +17
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +6 (Social/Moral)
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +8
 * 15:17
 * 1*5*1*7= 35
 * 35/7804= 0.00448487954
 * 0.00448487954*pi= 0.01408966464
 * 0.0140’’’8’’’96’’’6’’’464
 * Total: 51

Poland (Defendant)

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Poland (L+4), Britain (M, BC+7), France (M+3) = +14
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +6
 * Total: 42

Result
1941: Decisive German victory. Germany takes half of Poland.

Spanish Conquest of Gibraltar
I'm pretty sure this needs an algorithm right. (By the way, it's only one day long)

Alright, this is my first algorithm, so here goes nothing. (Anyone's free to see if it works)

Spain (Belligerent)

 * Location: +3
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Spain (L +4), Germany (S, BC +6), Sweden (S +2) = +13
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +5 (Political)
 * Special: +10
 * Morale: -1
 * Economy: +3
 * Chance: +6
 * 08:47
 * 1*8*4*7= 224
 * 224/805= 0.27826086956
 * Total: 42

Gibraltar (Great Britain) (Defendant)

 * Location: +2
 * Tactical Advantage: 0
 * Strength: Great Britain (L, BC +7)= +7
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Motive: +10 (Life or Death)
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +6
 * Total: 33

Result
1941.5: Spain succeeds in taking over Gibraltar in the sneak attack, prepares for the British declaration of war on Spain.

Discussion
How is this for my first algorithm, any complaints? Stewdio333 (talk) 21:04, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Nope, all fine. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 21:19, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Map update
Is my new map cannon?, I've lost track of things outside of Australasia and a update was needed. Oh, and it's not pixelated of fuzzy, I have avoided that at least.The River Nile-2 (talk) 00:27, January 24, 2013 (UTC)





Ethiopia (Belligerent)

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Ethiopia (L +4), Germany (M, BC +8), Soviet Union (M, BC + 7), Finland (S +2) = +21
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +6 (Social/Moral)
 * Special Status: 0
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +1


 * 22:54
 * 2*2*5*4= 64
 * 64/7804= 0.0411840411840412
 * 0.0411840411840412*pi= 0.1293178893178893
 * 0.1293178893178893
 * Total: 44

Denmark (Defendant)

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Denmark (L +4), Britain (M, BC +7) = +11
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +8
 * Total: 41

Result
1941.5: Strategic Ethiopian victory. Ethiopia takes Aalborg and Esbjerg.

Discussion
I honestly don't know which algorithim we're using. So here. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 05:09, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Wait, did you really just invade Denmark Denmark or something else belonging to Denmark?

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 05:21, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

I concur, Ethiopia invading Denmark is like Brunei invading Canada.AP (talk) 05:26, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Dude, Europe invades Europe and Africa invades Africa. End of story. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 05:38, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps you should read back I couple of turns. Japan and Italy aided Ethiopia is modernization, with Japan giving it loads of tech, and Italy giving it land. I send troops to China and Europe to support Japan and Germany, so I've got boots on the ground at both. And the difference between Ethiopia and Brunei is that Ethiopians outnumber the Danes four to one, and I've got more soldiers in Euorpe than Brunei had in its entire country at the time. Plus, my troops can actually fight the Danes since I've got the Germans behind me. I hate the bias. Why can't any African nation besides South Africa be taken as a threat, while one can literally spend decades modernizing and industrializing any country there and its still weak. Heck, this literally happens everywhere, and I'm not the only one. Stuff is going to turn me to drinking. -_- Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 17:06, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

A South African invasion of Denmark would be retconned too. You and Brunei are in the same boat: a third world one full of holes and rapidly sinking. You can fill up those holes and make a decent nation, but no superpower if that's what you're shooting for (and I'm pretty sure you are, please let me know if i'm wrong). If you can invade Denmark then why didn't the Ottomans invade the US in WWI? Because they had bigger fish to fry at home--Russia the Allies. Invade British Somaliland and if you can shoot for British holdings in Arabia.AP (talk) 07:05, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Fine. But the expanation makes little sense to me as I just had two of the most powerful nations in the world propping me up, but nevermind then if that's what you want. And yes I am shooting for superpower. I plan to follow Japan's old "Enrich the Country, Strengthen the Army" program too (Remember, Japan was a third world nation too). Anyway I'll stick with Africa then. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 17:06, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

We absolutely don't care. You are not going to be a leader in this war. All you can do is send men and guns. Jeez, this sounds like a common sense thing. Africa is never invading Europe, but Africa can help Europe. See the difference?

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein!

Hey, what a coinkydink. I don't either! :D Shame. Cause if you read the last five turns, you'd see that I already stated that was the original purpose of my soldiers being the in first place. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 19:23, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Point is, you're writing as if you're a leader.

"Ethiopian forces march on Denmark." implies that you are the leader. Which you are not and never will be. Write something like this:

"The Ethiopian troops abroad continue to help the Europeans in their efforts of conquest."

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 19:28, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Your PR skills are lacking. Perhaps if you were to ask nicely and without the tone, I'd be happy to do as you say. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 19:38, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps if you were less insolent to figuresof authority, I would. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 19:42, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

There we go. Same proclaimed authority that killed the other game. You mod a map game, and act as if you own the world. This is a theme that I have found on almost every other map game I've since you own. AP at least acts like a sensable moderator. You however are just terrible. Why you even tried to have AP removed as a mod on PMII was an act I found pitiful. At least he'll say why an act was implausible instead of slam people with "Implausogasm". Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 20:05, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry Viva but this is so implausible I don't even know where to start... Sure, you can invade Denmark (which I already did, btw), but you can't suppport your troops there with supplies or reinforcements. It's all about logistics. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 20:09, January 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll address you instead. The matter of logistics was never an issue that I found difficult at all. I forsaw the issue as I am clearly capable of understanding the issues with an African nation sending troops to a European nation. I expanded the navy with the goal that it would be able to support you in combat. Also, I also expected Germany to assist in the logistical field since you control most of Europe. Thus, that was a temporary matter that I would address with the expansion of the navy and the support of my allies. And I never implied that I was a leader in the conflict, but a supporting, like Canada or India. Plus, given the fact that I already recieved the training and technology from Italy and Japan, I never saw in issue as to why Ethiopia wasn't allowed to take part in the fighting in Europe. India and Austraila did, why not closer Ethiopia? Sorry for any confusion. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 20:20, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * Quote on quote:
 * "Africa can help Europe."
 * You never implied that you were a leader in the conflict?
 * "Ethiopia (L +4)"
 * [[Image:IMPERIAL NY-SPQR 1.png|25px]][[Image:Regen Flag.png|30px|border]] Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 20:29, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * Because I lead the invasion of Denmark, not the war. I'm pretty sure the rules say whoever leads the fight get the "L +4". Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 20:34, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, and you leading the fight is implausible. For hell's sake, it's 1940, not 2020. Africa is not leading an invasion into Europe. (Unless it's Morocco and Spain or Libya and Italy or something.) [[Image:IMPERIAL NY-SPQR 1.png|25px]][[Image:Regen Flag.png|30px|border]] Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 20:50, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * You know what, I done and I'm putting a stop to this right now. I tired of fighting you. I just want to play. I'm sorry for the insults so can we just go back to the game? I'll make Ethiopia a silent participent and nothing more if it'll stop these long-winded arguments. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 21:09, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Took the words right out of my mouth.

And for the record, we explained what we meant to you. (AP and I.)

"All you can do is send men and guns...Africa is never invading Europe, but Africa can help Europe." ~ Me

Unless you did not read that (and if you didn't, I'm sure you are now), you have been explained to.

"I concur, Ethiopia invading Denmark is like Brunei invading Canada." ~ AP

"...Europe invades Europe and Africa invades Africa." ~ Me

Thrice.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 20:12, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Congragulations. You can count. So can I. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 20:20, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Dude just invade the Middle East and take over the oil supply... :) PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:58, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Actually I think only going as far as Yemen would work. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:01, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Italy

 * Location: +3 (close to the war)


 * Tactical Advantage: +1


 * Strength: Italy (L+4)= +4
 * Greater economy: +3
 * Greater population: +3
 * Motive: +6 (Social/Moral, liberate ethnic Italians)


 * Morale: +0
 * Special Status: +10
 * Economic Situation: +1 (Average Economy)


 * Chance: +8
 * 15:12
 * 1*5*1*2= 10
 * 10/4698= 0.00212856534
 * 0.00212856534*pi= 0.00668708523
 * 0.00668708523
 * Total: 32

Yugoslavia

 * Location: +5 (At the War)


 * Tactical Advantage: +2


 * Strength: Yugoslavia (L+4)= +4


 * Motive: +10


 * Morale:+0


 * Economic Situation:-3


 * Chance: +8
 * Total: 28

Result
Italy crushes Yugoslavia and takes a part of Yugoslavia. The war continues.

Swedish Conques of Norway
Sweden (Belligerent)
 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Sweden (L, +4), Soviet Union (M, BC + 7), Germany (M, BC +7), Finland (S +2) = +20
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +6 (Social/Moral)
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: (Can I do an RNG? My edit count skyrocketed over what it was when the war started.) 5
 * Total: 59

Norway (Defendant)

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Norway (L+4), Britain (M, BC+7), France (S+3) = +13
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +4
 * Total: 39

Result
1942: Swedish victory: Sweden seizes Northern Norway and the southeastern regions. Norway reduced to a stub, prime for continued invasion.

Germany (Belligerent)

 * Location: +3
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Germany (L, BC +8), Soviet Union (S, BC + 6), Ethiopia (S +2), Sweden (S +2) = +18
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Motive: +6 (Social/Moral)
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +5
 * 18:03
 * 1*8*1*3= 24
 * 24/7806= 0.00307455803
 * 0.00307455803*pi= 0.00965900892
 * 0.00965900892
 * Total: 51

France(Defendant)

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: France (L+4), Britain (M, BC+7) = +11
 * Greater population: +3
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: -2 (Military defeats in the Low Countries)
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +0
 * Total: 34

Result
Germany crushes French resistance and rolls into Paris. France capitulates (as in OTL.) Vichy France is set up as a puppet government while Northern France is put into German occupation.

Ethiopia (Belligerent)

 * Location: +4 (Next to War - Rules say so)
 * Tactical Advantage: +1 (Goes by capital, and Sana'a not in the Arabian Desert)
 * Strength: Ethiopia (L +4)
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +3 (Economical)
 * Special Status: 0
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Plausibility Points: +2 (Against non-user state)
 * Chance: +4
 * 17:04
 * 1*7*0*4= 21
 * 21/1576= 0.0133248730964467
 * 0.0133248730964467*pi= 0.0418401015228426
 * 0.0418401015228426
 * Total: 29

North Yemen (Defendant)

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: +2 (See previous)
 * Strength: North Yemen (L +4)
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: -1 (North Yemen was dirt poor and fractured before the oil, and is still dirt poor and fractured with it today)
 * Chance: +1
 * Total: 21

Result
Ethiopian victory. Half of North Yemen conquered.

Japan

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * Strength: Japan (L, BC +7), Ethiopia (M +3)
 * Greater industry: 3
 * Motive: 6
 * Morale: 0
 * Econimic situation: +5
 * Chance: 1
 * 1*4*2*3=24
 * 24/2134=0.01125
 * 3.14=0.0353139643861293
 * Total: 30

China

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical: +2
 * Strength: China (L +4), India (M +3)
 * Greater population: 3
 * Motive: 10
 * Morale: -2
 * Economy: +1
 * Chance: +6
 * Total: 32

Result
Japan is pushed back a out of Shanghai to status ante que bellum (of this attack)

Discussion
Japan definitely does not have a greater population than China lol... PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 17:26, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Germany (Belligerent)

 * Location: +3
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Germany (L, BC +8), Soviet Union (S, BC + 6), Ethiopia (S +2), Sweden (S +2) = +18
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +6 (Social/Moral)
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +1
 * 12:32
 * 1*2*3*2= 12
 * 12/7825= 0.00153354632
 * 0.00153354632*pi= 0.00481777787
 * 0.00481777787
 * Total: 50

Italy (Defendant)

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Italy (L+4)= +4
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +3
 * Chance: +7
 * Total: 31

Result
Germany crushes Italian resistance and rolls over the Alps into Northern Italy. German troops pull out after their point is made.

Ethiopia (Belligerent)

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: -2
 * Strength: Ethiopia (L +4), Germany (M, BC +7), Japan (S, BC + 6) = +16
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +5 (Political)
 * Special Status: +0
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +5
 * 12:30
 * 1*2*3*0= 6
 * 6/1589= 0.0037759597230963
 * 0.0037759597230963*pi= 0.0118565135305223
 * 0.0118565135305223
 * Total: 39

Anglo-Egyptian Sudan (Defendant)

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: +5
 * Strength: Britain (L+4), United States (S, BC +5) = +9
 * Motive: +5
 * Morale: -2
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +1
 * Total: 28

Result
Ethiopian forces march over Khartoum and take most of Sudan.

Germany (Belligerent)

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Germany (L, BC+8), Ethiopia (S+2), Portugal (M+3), Romania (M+3), Hungary (MV+2), Bulgaria (M+3), Vichy France (M+3), Spain (M+3), Finland (M+3) = +30
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +5 (Social/Moral)
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +3
 * Chance: +0
 * 15:01
 * 1*5*1*1= 5
 * 5/7825= 0.00063897763
 * 0.00063897763*pi= 0.00200740744
 * 0.00200740744
 * Total: 59

Sweden (Defendant)

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Sweden (L+4), Britain (M, BC +7), Norway (MV, +2), Estonia (MV, +2), Latvia (MV, +2), Lithuania (MV, +2), USA (M, BC +7) = +32
 * Motive: +10
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +0
 * Total: 57

Result
This is really close...

Discussion
You forget the Allies and Swedish vassals. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 20:07, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Germany still crushes. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 20:08, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

18 is less than half of 50 and almost a fourth of 68. I foresee a stalemate.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 20:15, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Why is economy only +3? PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 16:06, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Japan
Location: 3

Advantage: 1

Strength: Military help:0, nonmilitary help: 1(Ethiopia) Greater pop: 3, Greater industry:3 Big Cheese:4

Motive: 6

morale:-2

Econimic situation: 3

Chance:

13:56-1*3*5*6=90

90/2136=0.04213483

3.14=0.13230337 Chance: 3

total: 25

French indochina
Location: 5

advantage:2

Strength: military: 1(Mainland france is being invaded, they cant to nothing halfway around the world, but Britain), nonmilitary: 0

Motive:10

Morale:0

Economic situation: -5(Poor, and France is bing invaded)

Chance 3

Total: 16

Result
Japan storms through Northern French Indochina, and captures Hanoi, A lot of Northern indochina is taken..

Ethiopia (Belligerent)

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: -2
 * Strength: Ethiopia (L +4), Germany (M, BC +7), Japan (S, BC + 6) = +16
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +5 (Political)
 * Special Status: +0
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +2
 * 16:13
 * 1*6*1*3= 18
 * 18/1591= 0.011313639220616
 * 0.011313639220616*pi= 0.0355248271527341
 * 0.0355248271527341
 * Plausibility Points: 0
 * Total: 36

Anglo-Egyptian Sudan (Defendant)

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: +5
 * Strength: Britain (L+4), United States (S, BC +5) = +9
 * Motive: +5
 * Morale: -2
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +2
 * Plausibility Points: +1
 * Total: 30

Result
Ethiopian forces take a considerable porting of land in southern Sudan.

United States

 * Location: 3 (2 Would be Europe)
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * Strength: USA (LBC8), UK (MBC7), Sweden (S2), Swedish vassals (4*S2=8) = 25
 * Motive: 5
 * Morale: -3
 * Economy: 3
 * Plausibility Points: 1.5
 * Chance: 5
 * UTC TIME: 02:14
 * 1 x 2 x 1 x 4 = 8
 * User Edit Count:6,096
 * 8/6,096*pi (you are supposed to use the pi button) = 0.041252582 (That was 6th, not fifth)
 * Total: 40.5

Mexico
Total: 31
 * Location: 3
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * Strength: Mexico (L4), Belize (MV2), Germany (MBC7), Portugal (M3), Spain(M3) (only plausible helpers here) = 19
 * Motive: 5
 * Morale: -3
 * Economy: 3 ( Mexico had a fairly well economy, and the recession barely affected them)
 * Chance: 2

Outcome
The US of A begins an incursion along border territories.

Discussion
how does Sweden and the UK send aid tot he USA when thee a bit occupied in Europe? Its like Germany sending aid to Japan after D-Day, it aint gonna hapen.

~ Dean

Then how does Germany help Mexico? Eh?

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 03:16, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Japan

 * LOcation 3
 * Tactical:1
 * Strength: Military help: 1, Nonmilitary help: 1Greater pop, 3, Greater Industry: 3, Big Cheese:4
 * Motive: 6
 * Special Revolution+ Chance higher than 6:+10
 * morale:0
 * Economy: 3
 * Chance: 18:45 1*8*4*5: 160
 * 160/2140=0.07476636
 * 3.14=0.23476636
 * total: 41

French Indochina

 * location: 5
 * Tactical: 2
 * Strength: 0
 * motive 10
 * morale -2
 * Economy: -5
 * Chance: 3
 * total:13

Result
Japan steamrols thro Indochina, taking the country.

Discussion

Has anyone noticed...
That this game has frankly become an implausofest? There are multiple things wrong with it. A few that I can name are:

Germany allying with Ethiopia: You've got to be kidding me. HItler abhorred Africans and would never lower himself to the level of allying with an African nation.

The fact that Germany just "seized" Egypt-- come on I think Germany is overplaying their capabilities a little too much. They can't even reach Egypt with Sweden and the UK in possession of the G-I-UK Line.

Ethiopia in general: Sending thousands even millions of troops to Japan, Europe, and their own home in East Africa all while claiming that they have a "great economy" which they are (very)far from.

All of these nations randomly switching sides: Yes, it happened in OTL but with due reason. In this game, the players do it to save their own skin and join the Axis(with the exception of Sweden and the USSR)

AP (talk) 21:46, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Acctuaally I just left the Axis because apart from Ethiopia Theyve been Ignoring Me, In hopes of making our own triparte pact with Sweden and the USSR. Dose not mean Im joining the Allies

~ Old Baby.

Germany allying with Ethiopia: You've got to be kidding me. HItler abhorred Africans and would never lower himself to the level of allying with an African nation. The fact that Germany just "seized" Egypt-- come on I think Germany is overplaying their capabilities a little too much. They can't even reach Egypt with Sweden and the UK in possession of the G-I-UK Line. Ethiopia in general: Sending thousands even millions of troops to Japan, Europe, and their own home in East Africa all while claiming that they have a "great economy" which they are (very)far from. All of these nations randomly switching sides: Yes, it happened in OTL but with due reason. In this game, the players do it to save their own skin and join the Axis(with the exception of Sweden and the USSR)
 * Alliance of convenience. Besides, Hitler abhorred Asians as well, but he allied with the Japanese.
 * Wut? The GIUK line is Greenland-Ireland-UK. I took it through Italian ports...and it happened in OTL anyways.
 * Kind of agree with, although they didn't sent "millions" of troops to Japan and Europe. They sent none to Europe, in fact, and to Japan they sent a couple thousand soldiers. Hardly a real help to Japanese troops.
 * What players? I suppose Italy kind of, but they did do that in OTL. I can't think of any other side... please explain further.

PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 21:52, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Japan was more strategic. He pushed it a bit when he allied to them, but an African alliance? If that's not over the edge then i dont know what is. When did the Germans seize Egypt in OTL? You better stop Ethiopia's player now because he will vigorously oppose independence movements, etc by claiming a bunch of crap is evidence and then he'll claim that he is a superpower. Greece randomly switched sides, and other nations i can't think of right now.AP (talk) 22:00, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

I had my doubts, so i checked. Egypt was never once occupied by Germany. This latest conquest of the Near East is incredibly implausible and it shocks me that you're doing this Pita.AP (talk) 22:08, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Vassals
The grayed out stuff on the maps are Germany's vassals. The black stuff are direct conquests. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 21:52, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Sweden (Aggressor)

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Sweden (L+4), Britain (M, BC +7), Norway (MV, +2), Estonia (MV, +2), Latvia (MV, +2), Lithuania (MV, +2), USA (S, BC +7), USSR (M, BC +7) = +38
 * Motive: +5
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +0
 * Total: 56

Finland

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Finland (L+4), Germany (M, BC+7), Spain (M+3) = +14
 * Motive: +10
 * Special Status: +0
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +0
 * Chance: +0
 * Total: 30

Result
Swedes and Soviets steamroll Finland and divide the territory amongst themselves.

Sweden (Belligerent)

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Sweden (L+4), Britain (M, BC +7), Soviet Union (M, BC+7) Norway (MV, +2), Estonia (MV, +2), Latvia (MV, +2), Lithuania (MV, +2), USA (S, BC +6) = +32
 * Motive: +5 (Social/Moral)
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +6
 * 17:05
 * 1*7*1*5= 35
 * 35/9593= 0.00364849369
 * 0.00364849369*pi= 0.01146208098
 * 0.01146208098
 * Total: 63

Germany (Defendant)

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Germany (L, BC+8), Ethiopia (S+2), Portugal (M+3), Romania (M+3), Hungary (M+3), Bulgaria (M+3), Vichy France (M+3), Spain (M+3), Finland (M+3), Tunisia (MV+2), Denmark (MV+2), Netherlands (MV+2), Belgium (MV+2), Luxembourg (MV+2) = +39
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +10 (Life and Death)
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +8
 * Total: 85

Result
Germany crushes the Swedish invaders and pushes them out of the Fatherland.

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