User talk:Lordganon



Mitro 03:10, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

What You Think
How big or small should I make the population? If there is anything else you realy believe needs to be changed, please contact me. BlackSkyEmpire 19:23, June 8, 2010 (UTC)BlackSkyEmpire

Don Republic and Kuban People's Republic
Hi thank you for solving the republics problems, I already fixed them, with Sochi, Rostov-on-Don and towns like Taganrod were nuked with Tangarod destroyed by the Tsunami. VENEZUELA 21:01, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

I research and the only things I find were Taganrod, Sochi, and Rostov on Don, and I nuked them, and if there is any other zone, please just add them. VENEZUELA 17:02, June 27, 2010 (UTC) and I'm gonna change the map.

ok I promise it! VENEZUELA 21:34, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Hi Lordganon, Arstapool is turning this articles in obsolete because your comment of the map, Please can you create the map? Please? VENEZUELA 00:40, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Hi I already do the map what do you think?

Thanks for helping me in the articles and giving me the reason in the Caucasus, there are even countries near New York, why couldn't be countries in the Caucasus. Really thank you a lot!!!!!!! VENEZUELA

Yes of course you can. VENEZUELA 22:29, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, If you want quit any objection to graduation in the talk page.VENEZUELA 17:46, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

I love how you change it only that I would like if you might put the cossack photo were it was originally because the article with the photo were you put seems strange. VENEZUELA 20:42, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Ok! VENEZUELA 15:19, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Join Rheinland Federation/Waldeck operation
A posible reason for the set lines on the map would be if the two nations co-operated in removing the army units, Waldeck would have taken the more populous areas less affected by radiation while the Federation got claims on the iradiated areas for future use. I was wondering what your thoughts on this are?Vegas adict 19:03, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

What you have to understand is that controling and area and saying you control it is totaly diferent, It seems to me your largest problem is with the size of the state so i'l change that, Other than that do you have any problems?.Obviously though i will respect your wishes although i do belive some sort of diplomatic contact would exist between the two nations as they are relatively close together.Vegas adict 17:05, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Central World
Hi Lorganon, might you create articles for Central World and give your opinion! I'm trying to turn it into a community project! Please Answer me. VENEZUELA 23:02, July 15, 2010 (UTC) Please Answer me...

Audrey Hepburn
Ganon, I want to compliment you on the excellent job you did in revising the article on Ms. Hepburn. I don't know if you ran it by Ven, but I'm sure he will be delighted with the changes. I especially liked the way you converted her UNICEF work to "local" relief around the Mediterranean Sea. Though that would mean no visit to Ven's home country, it honors her real world contributions there and elsewhere in the world.

I noticed, one small thing, though. In the paragraph about the support for AHICEF, you left in the contributions of nations around the world. It is doubtful that such nations would even KNOW of her work, much less contribute to it. I am sure this is an oversight in the revision. It would not distract from the effectiveness of the article to restrict the financial contributions to the Mediterranean world.

Again, excellent work. SouthWriter 15:29, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Adygea and Chechnia
Hi Lordganon I just want to ask you might you create an article about Adygea, but a bigger one covering from Adygea to Kabardino-Balkaria and divided in 3 republics (the 3 of Russia) and if you can really change and create a better Chechnya article because the one that exist is horrible. Also thanks for what you have done to my articles, now they might be canon, and also just for you to know i'm going to do at some moment between July and September the articles about Chuvasia, Mordovia, Mari El. and Tatarastan. VENEZUELA 16:48, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Also I take Venezuela WCRB Command, and I let free the one of the Caucasus you should take it. VENEZUELA 02:29, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Georgia
Hi Lordganon I received this message from Arstarpool.

''As the caretaker of Georgia, you do not have my permission to have a LoN command there. I kicked you out of the Georgia article, anyways. Arstarpool 01:51, July 28, 2010 (UTC)''

So I decided to delete all that I added to Georgia and what I asked Vladivostok to add (Economy and Military) and created a new article: Republic of Georgia.

so please feel free to edit it. VENEZUELA 04:07, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Ven, that is VANALISM. You can be banned for vandalism.

Creating a duplicate article, even if it is a little different is considered spamming and can also get you BANNED. Arstarpool 04:38, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Knew I shouldn't have done that command thing. Jeez. Still haven't seen anywhere you actually said that you kicked him out (besides that) Arstar, but w/e.

Ven, that was wrong. But, Arstar, you are not helping - you aren't the god of this place, though its starting to seem like you think you are.

Now, as to the articles - they both are horrid abominations. Have you actually READ the things? Besides the horrid look and coding of the things, they also read like a blasted copy from wikipedia.

Seriously.

Lordganon 12:59, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

The message in which I kicked him out was posted on Vens talk page. In Spanish.

Let me tell you how Ven became the self-proclaimed "Causcaus Expert"...

Long ago, or like two months ago, I adopted the Georgia article from Fedelede. I then marked it in on my talk page as "Adopted Pages". Ven's elementary english howver could not tell the difference from "Open for adoption" and "Adopted" and asked to adopt it. In order to not look like a shit-head, I agreed to let him work on it, although he did several changes involving the "Balkanization" and purging all of Fede's original work that I was not happy about.

Thinking it was a success, Venezuela went and made himself the "Causcaus Expert". He made the causcaus, a heavily targeted region into a teeming pool of life that is heavily unrealistic. He got this idea that if "The USA had like 50 nations, why can't Russia?". The one thing he hasn't realized is that Russia was targeted in almost every possible target. That's why Siberia is the only large surviving nation in Russia. However, since Ven wanted a nation for every minority group in Russia, he does not understand the amount of WORK it is to build a nation. Yet since he seems to feel "bad" for every minority group that doesn't get a nation, he only wants what he wants.

Seeing that the page was never going to get graduated I expelled Ven from the project, hoping that I could fix it up a bit for graduated. You have to admit, it does look SLIGHTLY better now.

Arstarpool 17:38, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

An Alliance You Say?
Hey, Lordganon
 * I just came out out of hibernation recently and now with talks between two people calling for the complete dismemberment of the Federation of Greece, I'm starting to get a bit worried. Would any of your nations- such as Georgia, the Don Republic (I don't think the Kuban People's Republic would like Greece very much), and Transylvania-be willing to ally, trade, and have all-around friendly relations with the Federation of Greece? Awhile back I always pictured Transyvlania to be on good-relations with Greece, though that was never official I don't think, I'd also if possible to culminate good relations with Georgia as well. I'd ask about Rhodope, but the encounter between Rhodope and Greece seemed a bit, shall we say "awkward" in that it's not so much that Greece wouldn't want relations with Rhodope, but Rhodope not wanting good relations with Greece, although I'm certainly open to it. If Greece and Rhodope get friendly and ally, I think Vidin would definitely want no part of Greece, although I can't see why they'd want to ally with Greece even if Greece has no interactions with Rhodope. Finally, I hope the shared religion between both Greece, and Georgia, and the various Caucasian-Republics, and Rhodope might help to ease relations and an eventual alliance between any of the states. EDIT: Oh it seems that Rhodope and Greece have traded with each other in the past, and Vidin tried to attack a Greek embassy-seems the decision on who to support just became easier :).

Mr.Xeight 01:44, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

I'd first like to point out that I mistakenly said "culminate" when I meant "cultivate"; how embarrassing :)
 * Anyway, I'm glad that I can count Georgia, Transylvania, and Rhodope as my allies; I'm surely going to need them! Perhaps were could form a Black Sea Alliance for those four nations? I'm sorry, I didn't see what the caretaker of Turkey was doing that would need my attention, and rather embarrassingly I need your assistance to point it out; but it would probably be best for you to know that the caretakers of Turkey and Skopia are plotting my demise and probably hate me as a person, not only the nation I tend to, so I've stopped caring about what they do. Finally, YES, I would love for you to become a co-caretaker of the Federation; my time at 1983:Doomsday is wearing thin and I'm looking for all the help I can get to actually write out articles and such for the Federation. If you would, I'd be most appreciative if you contact BoredMatt, Oerwinde, and Venezuela that you're going to be joining them in their quest to expand Greece. If you like war, I'd like to beg you to expand on the Second Sicily War; I hardly wrote anything on it except for that Greece and Austria on November 27th, 2009 absolutely pounded Sicily, so I'm sure they're about ready to surrender. If you could also tell the community that Greece is a major power in the war, as I feel that people have forgotten that the Federation is involved and only focus on the Alpine State and the various Italian Rebels; that hurts my feelings a bit, you know. ;)
 * School slammed me with homework on my first day today, so I'll be here much, much less than even a week ago. I probably won't even be able to write on the religious aspects of the Federation and how the the two Patriarchates of Alexandria have come back together, and that's the easiest article to write of them all! It's a shame I might have to leave because of homework, huh?

Mr.Xeight 23:16, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Well Rhodope can be a part of both the Black Sea Union and ADC with no problem-afterall, Greece'll be part of both. I take issue to all of Turkey and Macedonias' articles, I just don't feel like saying anything because I'll get an earfull I barely care about. Oh and as for the war, Caerueleus or whatever his name is will oppose anything doing to Greece but has no room to talk about plausibility when he wrote the Sultanate of Turkey, so by all means please begin work on the War. Do you have an approximate end time for the War? I thought 2012, but of course I'm like you, I care more for trade (you and I will get along great I think :D)and colonisation than war itself, so I have no idea what I'm talking about. The only thing I ask is that you keep "Black Friday" because it's a reference to the American Black Friday where everyone buys anything they can possibly hold the day after American Thanksgiving, I thought it was rather clever at the time! :D Anyway, again thank you for helping me with the Federation, and you're a godsend. Mr.Xeight 03:49, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, Xeight, as one of the caretakers of Georgia you have the support of the Federation of Georgia to Greece. Arstarpool 23:46, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Well, old friend, it seems that people seem to hear what they want, and I just got a major bitch-fest for trying to make relations with Macedonia/Skopia. Turkey'll probably declare war- Macedonia might, too. Since this is my fault, I think I'm going to have to apologize to all of my fellow caretakers. Mr.Xeight 22:02, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Italy Page
I have a strange favor to ask of you, could you do what you did with the Bulgaria page for the Italy page? If you can, place the map on the talk page on the Italy page and write a brief summary of the nations, except for New Rome, which I have to revamp very soon if it is to stay in canon. I'm sorry to be a drag but I am currently editing and writing on a very restricted timeframe. Arstarpool 23:46, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

PS, I see that your current userpicture is that of a little Ganon, is it not? Arstarpool 23:46, August 21, 2010 (UTC) I dont have a problem with you adopting Malta, but make surr it conforms with the scant information related to Malta on the Malta Lampuesada Corridor article. Arstarpool 18:11, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Confederacy & Belarus
Well, I actually added that small passage regarding the Belarus and the RC. I wasn't really thinking about anything long term, but surely they have a lot in common: Both are survivor communities in the ex-Soviet Union, trying to survive against an aggressive neighbour slowly, but surely, coming to take what they perceive as their rightful territory. I'd say a friendly relationship with frequent trade would commence, don't you?--Vladivostok 09:14, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, of course not, the thought of Belarus joining never really crossed my mind. Although they would probably be asked if they would like to join, though. The same would most likely happen for the Caucasian states immediately in the vicinity of the RC's borders. I'm glad that you approve all in all, and we will be sure to add new content in the future, as soon as Vegas gets back from his holiday. Well expand on everything now that the article is canon. And the whole line about Greece and Prussia was made by Vegas, but would seem perfectly logical. The RC has the bad luck to basicaly be on the frontline of Siberian aggression and is desperate to have some political clout, thus it is turning to every possible country for help.--Vladivostok 09:46, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Greece
So since MrX gave us control over Greece I was hoping you could look over my latest additions and maybe make some additions to the province articles. I'm doing a basic history of greece on the Federation page, but figured the more detailed regional history would go on the provincial ones.Oerwinde 07:56, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Sure divvying them up sounds good. As you saw I was already working on Cyprus. I started some basic articles, and made some flags for Agion Oros, Cyrenaica, Morea, and Egypt. Though I don't know dick about Orthodoxy so we might need to tap MrX for Agion Oros.Oerwinde 08:16, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Sure. Greek Egypt is going to be difficult.Oerwinde 08:36, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Well my idea for Egypt is going to be dependent on a LOT of people migrating to the lands along the Eonile or dying. Since otherwise theres no way a greek egyptian state could realisticly exist, as the area included in the state has an OTL population of like 18-20 million. I'm hoping I can get away with a coptic majority state.Oerwinde 09:08, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Mercenaries
Do you think any of the warring states on the eastern Black Sea in 1983: Doomsday would require or want the use of mercenaries? States of any size, any government, it does not matter.--Emperor of Trebizond 01:34, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Holy Mountain
With your, Xeights, and Oers permission can I work on Agion Oros aka Holy Mountain? Arstarpool 04:28, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Turkey
So, why do you think the Sultanate of Turkey (1983: Doomsday) is too large? Caeruleus 01:36, September 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * You know, it's difficult to work these kind of things out when you don't respond :( Caeruleus 14:43, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Since you were the only one who bothered to continue commenting, despite my repeated WoTs, would you like the honor of graduating my Sultanate of Turkey article? Caeruleus 01:10, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Duchy of Lancaster
I notice that you've added a couple of things to the article for Lancaster. Although I don't have a major problem with it, given that it's my article I'd appreciate it if in future you asked first, since while feedback is greatly apprecicated (thanks for that by the way), I'd like it to be my own work as much as possible.Tessitore 12:33, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. Speaking of the nation-box, I don't suppose you could tell me how to add the flag and coat of arms. I've had a few attempts but they've all gone wonky, probably because I'm rubbish at code.82.25.224.63 18:54, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Have done so, although for some reason every time I try to add the Head of State or Head of Government (I've just got the title at the moment) things go wonky.Tessitore 01:20, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

please
I welcome constructive criticism but i find it rude when people attack my work


 * you didn't create them


 * How come they make no sense


 * You didn't research them I did

I Bid you Good Day --Owen1983 19:38, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Manchester Stockport and Warrington were destroyed
on DD Manchester was hit by 200kt fell on Manchester fallowed by a further 100kt stockport on warrington were hit with 100kt bombs thus Manchester stockport warrington would be be highly radioactive besides if you have played FO3 that's what Manchester would be like --Owen1983 15:11, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Please do So!!! You have my permission. BlackSkyEmpire 00:42, September 8, 2010 (UTC)Xabior

Republic of Bury
I am still working on the article but Manchester-Warrington an Stockport are hazardous to humans --Owen1983 13:24, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

don't want to earn any favors
You thought my nomination was to earn Smoggy80 respect in order to increase my standing in 1983 doomsday in fact I did it becuse she is a good editor --Owen1983 22:50, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Dig This
Owen wants to become part of the TSPTF since he nominated Smoggy after he just stated above he did not do it to earn respect in order to increase his standing. Go to Louisiannan's talk page and see the madness. Since you seem to be fighting with him I think you of all people should take a look. Arstarpool 23:42, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Just edit it all if you want. BlackSkyEmpire 12:57, September 11, 2010 (UTC)BlackSkyEmpire

Atlantic Islands
Actually I check the history, he was not the one to add the adoption template. Thus he has a right to adopt the article if he so chooses. Mitro 17:05, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

The Patriarch
This is something that's confusing; in fact I didn't really understand until I was about 14. Basically the Patriarch is a bishop, but not "just" a bishop. He's given the most respect of all the bishops, but has no more power to do anything except for given the seat of honour at a synod-where various issues are decided and such; those are the most powerful man-mad things of the church. Mr.Xeight 23:28, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

First among equals-definitely. I would say that the rest of the bishops would take his word into account a little bit more than usual, but not always. For instance, there was a Patriarch in the 1500s who wanted to reform the Church along more Protestant lines-and every bishop shot him down. One Patriarch, in order to save the Eastern Roman Empire by securing help, decided to hand power of the Patriarchate over to the Bishop of Rome-all but one bishop of the Patriarchate agreed, but because the decision has to be unanimous the unification was cancelled. The Patriarch's name is usually taken off the list of Patriarchs for his "betrayal", whereas the Bishop that literally saved the Church is considered by some to be an unofficial saint. So, it widely depends on the issue-at-hand. Mr.Xeight 23:45, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Glad you asked. We elect our patriarchs using the synod, which as you know is the most powerful "figure" in Orthodoxy of man (I know that's an awkwardly phrased sentence, but of course the Trinity is the head of the church, and then the synods are how things get done here on Earth). Now I think because Doomsday basically destroyed the Patriarchate, Athens, and Thessaloniki and completely changed Orthodoxy forever as many bishops as possible might be the number needed to elect a new Patriarch. So it'd be year before a synod could be mustered-scouts would have to go across Greece and Turkey to find bishops from the Ecumenical Patriarchate-likewise, the Patriarchs in Damascus, Jerusalem, and Alexandria. Hey, maybe one of the reasons the Greeks went down to Egypt was to see how the Patriarch in Alexandria was holding up. I'd say maybe 10 years after DD to select a Patriarch at most, at least 3-5 years. Mr.Xeight 02:46, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't see the rest of your questions, would you mind resending them to me on my talk page? Mr.Xeight 02:04, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, my message from September 16th was my answer (not the quote above, but the quote above that one). Mr.Xeight 03:05, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Central World
Hi LG, I raed you're an expert on many countries so would you like to create some Central World articles or finishing the Canada one? please answer me, and I already answer the Texas problem in the talk page. VENEZUELA 03:03, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Thank You! and i have just the idea of museums, greek like skycrapers and things like that. Although what you think about USA turning Caribbean and Central American countries into associated states VENEZUELA 03:45, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Also it's that because of the same cause the USA use the Monroe Doctrine in CW and establish dictatorships? maybe it could be some kind of commonwealth being sovereign states but associated with America. VENEZUELA 04:02, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Yukon
Sure, I have no problem there. I want to say that my ideas for the "feel" of the Yukon are very specific. The South Americans claimed they are not a "real country" and in many ways they're right. The Yukon is a frontier wilderness where most people live as villagers and nomads and the government, such as it is, is mostly a forum for bringing the different communities together. I wanted to explore how the forms of Canadianness would evolve in a place where civil society sort of dissolves peacefully rather than ends catastrophically. (Though there was indeed plenty of catastrophe in the 1980s.) I also left the Yukon in the middle of a news storyline: there is still a question whether or not they will recognize the House of Windsor monarchy. I don't want that story to progress too fast - things move slowly in the Yukon. But if you want to develop it further, I'm fine with that if the spirit of what's already written is upheld. Benkarnell 14:31, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Maldives
Sorry!! i put that because in spanish we said Malvinas and the Maldives, Maldivas so is similar and confusing. VENEZUELA 02:57, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Swebia-Wurttemberg
the reason i started editing it is I now a bit about the region because my dad was stationed there when he was in the RAFOwen1983 12:30, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
You're a lifesaver, LG. Monobook's not what I'm used to, but it does the job. Thanks a million! --Fegaxeyl 15:39, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, good. I've switched back. Shame, though... Monobook was starting to grow on me. Oh well, I know what I'll be using instead of the new skin! Fegaxeyl 06:48, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Swabia-Württemberg
I won't Ruin it and I agree it is a good article, but if Jay doesn't reply by next Thursday I will be the caretaker but I wil make you the co caretaker --Owen1983 16:24, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Canada
I would just like to know so were on the same page as to what you plan to do. --Zack 22:51, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you take a gander at the Midland page I've updated the map. It was a lot to swallow, but I like it & I'll help you with it anyway I can. --Zack 20:27, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey take a look at the main talk page. I've listed my objections, only one is major so feel free to enact the rest. Arstar [talk] 22:42, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Question
Hello, I am a new user to this site, and recently inquired about potential collaborators on the main page discussion thing. I was then pointed to the experts page, which led me to you. Looking at your page, you look like you have plenty of projects on your hand, so I understand completely if you cannot respond to this or help. My timeline is about an alternate America, and is very centered on the development of this alternate America. But, I would like to flesh out the rest of the world. The only thing I've established about the rest of the world is that Napoleon beat the British in Europe (No betrayal of the Spanish is the mini-POD for that). But, after that, I am at a bit of a loss as to what would have happened. How would Europe have developed after the Napoleonic Wars, with half of Europe under French control? Would the hegemony eventually be broken? And, to be a bit more specific: Would France try to regain French Guyana? Leave it to the Americans? Would it be reasonable for the Americans to demand Britain give independence to their area of the Guyanas (pr to hand it over to America)? Wow, that was quite a rant. Sorry about that. Get back to me if you can. Thanks! Randomideaguy 23:38, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Nomination
Hey LG. I've nominated you to become our next constable, and you can see how I weighed out your goods and your bads on the Request for User Rights page. If you would like to become a member of the TSPTF respond and the rest of us will go through the nomination and see if we'll accept you or not. If you would prefer to stay-as-you-are right now, thats fine, its your decision. But I feel that you are one of the people who would do a great job on the TSPTF. So respond when you can, Arstar 20:04, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

Well? Do you want to go through with it or not? Well at the current moment we have lots of Leutenients and not so many constables, and you have expressed good work ethic on your articles and have removed a few nonsensical edits from pages and you have a good reputation to top it off so you were the first that came to mind. Should you accept the nomination we will wait to see what happens on October 11th, 2010 (when you'll be officially eligible) and if you have a 2/3 majority vote you will ascend to the TSPTF whenever a Leutenient or Bureaucrat/Brass officially gives you rollback rights.

PS, If it comes to a shock that I nominate you, I want you to know that I follow a mental policy. I separate my work from the personal chit-chat. Chit-chat can get me in trouble with others, but I take work seriously. You, have a bit of a temper at times as do I (my main concern is that if you get into a fight you'll fly off the wall and end up banning someone) but you're still a good editor and it wouldn't hurt to have an extra Constable. Arstar 07:46, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Yukon and Northwest Territories: revisit?
Hey, Ganon. I've recently been thinking about our pages for the Yukon and NT We both assumed that neither place had any kind of nuclear attacks. But I'm concerned that I didn't look at the full range of potential targets. In particular, the Canadian Forces Northern Area (now the Joint Task Force North) has a base 24 km south of Whitehorse. It seems rather unimportant, but it is Canada's closest base to Russia and if the USSR was thinking about a land invasion, it may have thought it advisable to just get it out of the way. A more important base is at Yellowknife, NT. It was the headquarters for the entire Northern Area and was established in 1970 "with a view to treating the North as a single theatre of operations" (from JTFN's website).

Then there's the DEW line, the line of radar stations stretching along the Arctic coast, and Station Alert on Ellesmere. These stations were highly strategic and are likely targets, though they were remote enough that they probably would not affect our histories too much if we added a mention. There were DEW stations in Iceland and the Faeroes, too, which could potentially affect the history of the Nordic Union.

In Yukon, if the CFNA base were hit, the city of Whitehorse would probably not be destroyed, but would probably have to be abandoned due to radiation. I think I could accomodate that all right: it would mean that the famine in the 80s would be even worse, and technology would drop to even lower levels. At Yellowknife, however, the base is right in the middle of town and would disrupt your history more seriously if it were hit. Or maybe not... it largely parallels Yukon's in many ways, like the dispersal of city dwellers to smaller settlements. The biggest problem, though, would be the power vacuum created by a direct hit on the capital.

What do you think? Does the CFNA warrant changes to our histories? Or is it too small to be important? I know what an extremist I usually am on issues of canon, but in this case I feel like it was a huge oversight on my part. I totally failed to consider the strategic importance of the entire Canadian Arctic, an enormous area situated right between the USSR and USA. Benkarnell 14:12, October 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * No, I know there was no "need" to hit some of these targets, but really there was no need to do the whole war. The thinking of the nuclear strategists was to hit anything that might conceivably be of use.  My thinking is that these bases and coordinating stations were Canada's main presence in the Arcic, militarily.  Take them down, and Canada loses its ability to enforce its sovereignty there.  ...Would be the Soviets' thinking.  OK.  I'll think about this, but I really don't think they would leave the entire Arctic untouched.  And the obvious targets are Alert and the two territorial capitals.  Benkarnell 14:43, October 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * All right, that will have to suffice for an explanation. I'm still not totally convinced (worst-case scenario, and all that), but your argument has the force of QSS behind it, and that will have to do.  I do think Station Alert is a clear target - it was just a listening post, but one that was important to detecting ICBMs and therefore part of the NATO bloc's overall ability to strategically respond.  ... I'd still like others to weigh in, though. Benkarnell 19:53, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

Templates
I see. To tell you the truth I switched to the old version where the templates apparently still look good. I'm going to switch to the new version and see what the templates look like. Mitro 14:17, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * You are right, it does look bad. However I have seen the templates look that way at random times using the old skins.  Sometimes templates get warped because of issues with Wikia.  Do me a favor, hold off for at least 24 hours and if the templates still look like that maybe we can edit the template code to improve the look.  Mitro 14:21, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations, you are now a Constable in the TSPTF. This allows you to showcase the TSPTF membership badge on your user page. Furthermore it gives you the rollback power on this wiki. In the History page of an article you will notice a new option called "rollback". This is an anti-vandalism tool. It allows you to quickly undo edits in case someone has made more than one edit to a page. By clicking rollback it will immediately revert the article to a time before the offending editor edited the page. This is your most important duty. By agreeing to be a constable, you are promising to do your best to patrol for vandals and trolls.

When you get the chance, please go to the TSPTF page, and sign up for some responsibilities. In reality, none of us have the time to devote to all of the duties that are expected of an administrator of the wiki. You are expected, however, to sign up for at least three responsibilities listed in that section. These are duties that you are agreeing to carry out to the best of your ability every time you are on this wiki. I'm hoping that by doing this the members of the TSPTF can efficiently share the work load of the wiki and gives us time for the real reason we are here. Since you are only a constable and do not have the power to delete or block, do not feel obligated to sign up for any duties you do not have the powers to do.

Again, congratulations on being elected to the TSPTF and good luck. Mitro 14:09, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Constable
I would be honored. --XterrorX 01:36, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

Dodecanese Flag
That cross in the flag, it isn't the cross of the Knights of Rhodes, is it? If it is, I have to storngly suggest we make a new flag; it'd be like innocent Iraqi farmers adopting the American flag or the flag of the Taliban. If it's not, kindly disregard this and my apologies. Mr.Xeight 22:36, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Uh oh. Perhaps we could find a new image for the flag? The concept of the Collosus on the flag was good, it can have a positive meaning behind why it was chosen, all of which can be made up and not really disputed (except by a certain person who I will not name ;) ).
 * Oh and as for Synods, I believe (and I stress that) it's almost like jury duty-you don't leave until there's a unanimous decision amongst all bishops who made their decision based upon Scripture. I mean I've looked into a few cases where one bishop has caused a whole event from going into affect (Council of Florence for one), so that's what I suspect. I can always email my Metropolitan-Bishop and ask if you'd like.

Mr.Xeight 02:02, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Clarify Please
What is your issue with my update to the NewsHour? Caeruleus

Since you have not responded to my inquiry after 24 hours and are not allowed to unilaterally remove another editor's post to a public page without reason, I have reposted my update to the NewsHour. If you have an issue with it, bring it up on the Talk page and we'll discuss it like everyone else. Caeruleus 22:47, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Synod
Oh that I can answer-no, bishops of other Churches (the Moscow, Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, etc) do not get involved in the election of bishops not within their own Patriarch. For instance, the Church of Russia will not be letting Bulgarian, Serbian, or Greeks-of-Antioch Bishops vote in the election of Bishops. Now, unfortunately in like 1833 the Church of Greece "broke" from the Church of Constantinople (they made an archbishopric, they did not split from the Orthodox-Christian Church) and since then OTL Greece is broken up into the jurisdictions of four bishops; Northern Greece is subject to the Bishop (Patriarch) in Constantinople, Southern Greece to the Bishop (Archbishop of Athens), the island of Crete and the Holy Mountain have their jurisdiction (which entails having bishops) but are actually under the jurisdiction of the Patriarch in Constantinople. Now you might think having two jurisdictions that divide Greece might make it easier to elect bishops-well yes and no. The Church of Greece, since it only has Southern-Greece as its jurisdiction, will have less time tracking down any surviving bishops and having them elect bishops to the offices of any bishoprics that lost their bishops due to DD. However, the Patriarch of Constantinople has the whole archdioceses of North and South America (of which I belong). So the CoC (that's how I'll abbreviate "Church of Constantinople" for now on, I'm getting lazy) will still be responsible for the bishops in the Americas. I think, because of the circumstances of DD, the CoC will just use the bishops it can find, and likewise the Archbishoprics in the Americas will do the same. A lot of nations that actually have Orthodox-churches in South America usually just have one church in literally the whole nation (Colombia, Chile, Brazil), so they probably won't have to worry about anything.


 * Also, great job on the Thrace Reclamation Zone; I really liked the including about the Japanese merchant and especially the ethnice map. Both caused me to think of two new ideas. One, Greek ships go up north into the Black Sea and look for any refugees in Russia, the Ukraine, the Crimea, Moldova, and Romania that are Orthodox and ask them to settle Thrace, so long as they learn Greek and practice their religion. Their children are put in Greek-schools and the refugees are now under the jurisdiction of the Greek Orthodox Church and voila, technical Greeks. Two-the Japanese merchant gave me an idea of Greece marketing Constantinople as a new business hotspot-they can get Europe into a "Let's rebuild Rome together" marketing and send ambassadors to other farflung countries to spread the word, too. This'll have another affect; if the plan works, obviously there'll be a huge amount of foreign-nationals in the city. If Turkey were to invade, then dozens, if not hundreds or thousands of people would be killed/injured, and when the nations hear word that the Turkish army just killed their citizens, dozens of nations will declare war and support Greece and Rhodope in any conflict. So, if we show the world the Queen of Cities is where they want to do business and is once again their access to the East, it's a win-win situation.

Mr.Xeight 16:16, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Naming
Lordganon I will try to add the category name to the end of the title, but I have a question. When trying to create a hyperlink to a page how can you do it without having to add the tag of (category).

ie: The country of [Crete (Divided Italy)] was created in ####.

How do you do it so that it is not like that and more like this.

ie: The country of [Crete] was created in ####.

Chicagoan 01:30, November 18, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to interupt but if you explain to me what timeline your making this for I can help you out. Arstar 09:59, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

*
LG, are you on right now? I need to talk to you. Arstar 03:28, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

If your still on, go to http://webchat.freenode.net/ so we can live chat. Put your channel as wikia_ah and username as LG. Arstar 00:56, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

the Message
Thanks for the distant early warning, but i was defending my right i did not mean to call any one a facist, i was not trying to start a conflict

Synod and the Sicilian War
Oh it's quite alright, I mean it took me like a month to respond back to you, sorry about that!
 * I'm always a bit pessimistic when it comes to DD, so I was thinking the 1990s, but it widely depends on how long it would take for the New World to regain contact with the old. Do any articles mention when the first European ships got to the Americas, or American ships to Europe? Oh you were talking about Patriarchs, whoops. Yeah, the late '80s sounds about right. Perhaps a few German, Iberian, or Celtic merchants might want to do business there? The Crimeans, Bulgarian, Ukrainians, and Russians need to sell their grain (that whole region's called the Breadbasket of Europe) and Western Europe and Greece seem like they'd be their best customers, so they might be eager about western business there, too. Thanks for offering to help with the war, I mean I'm trying to phase myself out of the wiki, and you and Oer I think are the perfect guys to phase me out. Ya'll're a dynamic duo, I tip my cap to you, sir. Oh, and Oer had that nice write out, I'm thinking about posting part of it and adding a little bit each few weeks or months until 2012 when the war's over. And please, please, please, a few people around here seem to bloody think that Sicily's going to get off scott-free. Greece and Europe itself will not let Sicily off the hook without relinquishing Tunisia to be made into an independent republic. Sure, they might let them retain their Continental possessions, but Greece wants and has already long seized Malta (everyone keeps forgetting that, Greece took Malta like the first week of the war!) and the Arabs probably don't even like the Sicilians anyway. Plus, southern Italy is quite a bit poorer and definitely more-agricultural centred and they have no trading partners, so I don't get why everyone's like "X8 (even though I have a title...) the Sisileeans are fashists and have wurked to militareyes, they can kick Grease's butt!". Greece is at the crossroads of Africa and Europe and has trading powers, no, just... no...

If you think I'm overplaying the difference in wealth and industry between the two halves of Italy, some within Northern Italy are sick of the poorer and agricultural south and want to form their own richer, industrial-minded state, so it's got to be serious enough for some Italians to harbour a seed of discontent. Mr.Xeight 03:29, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

This war is starting too piss me off and I've seriously been contemplating retconning it out of existence. I say we cut the war short now and have the final-negotiations on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day. The regime of Sicily gets swapped out for ADC-and-democracy-loving politicians, rhose Italian-states that want their freedom get their freedom, Greece keeps Malta and gets a piece of OTL Apulia, and Tunisia gets made into a very democratic-republic and the ADC stays in OTL Tunisia, Sicily, and Naples for awhile to make sure the process of democratisation is going smoothly. I should've done this months ago! Oh, and I mentioned a year ago the Alpinians moved into North Italy, so they'll be wanting a slice of Italy as well. Mr.Xeight 04:04, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, Hey, Hey, Greece keeping ? Since when did they even get Malta? There's been two articles out for a while now that state Malta's under LoN supervision but other than that it's still independent. Arstar 04:51, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think the Sicilian regime will change. One thing I agree with Cereuleus on is that Sicily is too powerful to get totally smacked down. They will survive, though with borders similar to what I posted on the talk page. Sicily won't surrender, they will weigh the pros and cons of continuing the war, and the costs of continuing will be too high for the business minded Sicilians and they will negotiate a peace. The losses they suffer will likely change their outlook however and they will want to establish outside trade as its better for economic growth.Oerwinde 09:11, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

With Constantinople in "Greek" (along with Bulgarian and maybe Turkish is someone cleans up their act) hands, the Church of Greece being absorbed back into the Patriarchate, but for that to happen you'd need to downgrade the Archbishop and Metropolitan to Bishops, which seems like a slap in the face. But, you can chalk that up to the spirit of unity and harkening back to the Church's ancient roots and how it wasa comfort for the downtrodden and say any surviving metropolitans and bishops do relinquish their power; the Archbishop himself would have passed on in the attack on Athens.

Perhaps the Ukrainian company's mascot can be Buzz Light year ;). Sorry, "to Thrace, and beyond!" automatically reminded me of my childhood :D.

As much as usually don't like putting humans and animals on flags, the Greek Islanders usually do; perhaps a famous figure or the Collosus. Hell, out of any scrap-metal they could buy off Athenians or Cretans they can make like a ten-ft tall Collosus and put it in front of the president's office.

He just can't stay out of our business can he? Lord have mussy I'm this close to getting grey hair and an ulser from him. Now, obviously you can't see me, but I was demonstrating a very small amount with my fingers just now :D.

Also, thanks for letting the Spanish and Riffians do their part with Tunisia since we Greeks have our hands full trying to pick a monarch, but do you mind if that garrison on Malta is joint Greco-Spanish? You, just in case Sicily tries any funny-business again :D. Also, I don't get why people think Sicily is so business-like; they have absolutely no trading partners, not something you think businessmen running a country would do to themselves... And again, thank you; if youhave the time do you think you could upload your plan to the page? I give you full permission and I beg you to as well before Caeruleus gets his way and it's a Greek defeat! Mr.Xeight 16:42, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Xeight, I've said this a bunch of times, that Malta is not under Greek control. Thats been canon for about two years that its been under LoN occupation, but other than that is sovereign as the Republic of Malta. Arstar 17:42, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Just because they have few trading partners doesn't mean they're not businesslike. They're focused on self sufficiency and re-industrialization. Basically the pre-ww2 american view.Oerwinde 22:52, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead on the Poland thing.HAD 17:47, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

My good sir, could you drop me a mesage to my email adress of constantinecesak@hotmail.com? Something rather, shall we say, "worrying" came up. Mr.Xeight 03:34, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Greece and Serbia
Actually, buddy, Greece and Serbia were rather-friendly in the 1900s; there was a Greek-volunteer brigade who fought for the Serbs, and Greece was the only country in NATO to not decry Serbia as evil. They're governments a lot closer than you think, although the people may not be (although if you read the comments of any Greek video on Youtube you'll always find at least 7 "Long Live Greece, Greeting from Serbia :D" (or some messages of that basic format) comments, but the love definitely is not 100% mutual. And let's face it, they're the only country in the Balkans, most ironically, that isn't evil in the TL; you've got the Skopians, the Turks, and Sicilians. Mr.Xeight 01:13, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Nuclear Apocalypse
why'd you change the alteration I made on the Nuclear Apocalypse page? Did you not like what I added?

~MichoRizzo

I should have really read the rules before I made those changes and I appologize. I actually just made an account today. Those changes were made spontainously because the content that was there was a little bland lacked fluidity. It was awkward to read because of how it was written. I had started out just proofreading it, but got a little carried away. Thanx for the suggestions, I'll be sure to follow the rules if I contribute in the future.

MichoRizzo 02:12, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

You hold a bachelor's degree in history? Perhaps you neglected your studies in English, grammar, and composition; this is indicated by how poorly your "Nuclear Apocalypse" article was written. I assumed English was not the primary language of the person who wrote this.

MichoRizzo 03:21, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

I assumed that since your name was under the title, you were the author. I really didn't mean for what I wrote to be insulting and if that's how you perceived it, I apologize. However, that was how I really felt as a reader of the article. I suppose I will have to be more careful with what I write. It's a shame that one has to self censor oneself as to not convey their true feelings or be at risk of having to "face the consequences" from a "member of management of this wiki."

As a brand new member, I am only beginning to be made aware of the rules. I will not make any changes to the content of anyone else's work from now on, as this is clearly against the rules. Hopefully, I will be given the opportunity to add to the fascinating content of this site. Alternative history is a subject in which I have recently become very interested.

MichoRizzo 03:55, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Right, I see now how what I wrote can be taken as insulting. It's similar to how I felt when you wrote, quote: "You made edits to a timeline belonging to someone else (if that was even you) that dramatically changed it." Your "undertone" of doubt about my contribution (even if said contribution was a violation of the rules) was why I decided to share my true opinion about the original content of the article. So, instead of collective self censorship, perhaps we should all practice selective judement with what we write and how we treat people here. Thank you for your time and your guidance (which, as a new member, I really appreciate).

-Joey 05:53, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Lt. LG?
Would you want to be an admin if I nominated you when we hit 12,000 articles? Mitro 15:47, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

1983DD Portal Page
What is going on with this page? Why are all the edits of this new user being reverted. Most of it is just spelling and grammar, why is this an issue? Mitro 04:11, December 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, but I have seen reverts that return correctly spelled words back into incorrect spellings. I just think you need to be a little careful when reverting edits.  Mitro 04:17, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

L.G. - if you have a minute....
Hello,

=) I was wondering if I can ask you a question, following this one.  IS what I did to the introduction of 1983: Doomsday an acceptable form of editing?  I really wouldn't call them changes, so much as alterations.  For instance, I used the word "incidentally" in place of the word "Consequently" at the beginning of the first sentence in paragraph five.  I also modified a few sentences slightly to enhance them, but did not change the overall content.  Moreover, I added my singnature at the end as follows:

Edited by:

-Joey 04:20, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

I just wanted to run it by someone to make sure I'm doing it correctly. I hope you don't mind me asking you, but you were my first point of contact with AltHist. I just regret that I was unable to make a better first impression. Thanx again for all your help. =)

-Joey 04:20, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I clicked the preference box for custom signature (which I have since deactivated), which is why that was happening. I'm actually not going to add or edit anything else here until I do A LOT more reading. I really should have done that before I did anything. I hate to make excuses, but it is only my fourth day or so as a member so I suppose it is to be expected. Thanx again.

MichoRizzo 19:20, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

hi
hi having fun on here go bug some one else

~Blackstar

fuck you

~Blackstar
 * Yes this guy is a piece of work. I blocked him for a week and I will keep my eye on him.  Mitro 12:47, December 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it. I did the same thing to Louis when I started.  It'd be easier to just do what he did and make you an admin, but rules and all.  Mitro 13:08, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Thank You For Fixing My Article
Thank you for reverting the changes to my article on Israel. I have not progressed it further given I am trying to work out a few things and have a plan for the article. I get frustrated by other contributors monkeying around with it. Thanks for your prompt work on this.--Fxgentleman 18:50, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Email
Send me the file if you may, Email:Arstarpool@gmail.com.

Arstar 23:14, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Paradox
Thanks for the link! I knew about the site earlier (a brother of my best friend got my copy of Theatre of War from there, using his creditcard), but I didn't know they suported PayPal. I'll check it out and who knows; maybe I'll get some Christmas gifts for myself there. :P --XterrorX 19:46, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

Historia Alternativa
Thanks for nominate the spanish wikia to the award Best Non-English Wiki!!! :D Really, i contribute very much in this wikia and due of this, currently i am an administrator of the site. Thanks --Katholico 20:16, December 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, i am admistrator of the wikia since a few months ago. jeje :P --Katholico 02:34, December 11, 2010 (UTC)