Talk:France (1983: Doomsday)

I'm really sorry, I don't want to be mean to the flag, but... it's awfully "busy" and would be difficult for somebody to make, draw, or recognize. With all the many French territories in the RTA, why wouldn't they simply use the Tricolore, or perhaps a tricolore with a symbol (a star, a fleur-de-lis) for each of the different territories? There just seem to be too many flags trying to combine themselves in this one. Alternative History:Vexilology has a couple of typical guidelines for flags and says, "Often people try to include a little bit of everything that they feel represent the nation. You are probably better off using a single symbol or partition shape (that can of course be repeated or combined)." Benkarnell 20:35, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You are not mean by saying that! i know myself it's hard to understand all because "everything" is in there ^^ Will think about what to do with this... perhaps instead of the flag itself this sould be the symbol (Coat of Arms?) of a "Communauté Francaise / Francophone" rather then the flag of the sovereign nation. Let me think about that ok? :) still having one big problem with the french territories as I cant figure out a realistic way how hey should communicate even govern a widespread country like this without internet and virtually no satellite communications... postponed that by pushing the foundation of the R.T.A away in the 2000's...gimme a bit time to rethink that ^^. Or in case you got any ide please tell me :) --Xi&#39;Reney 21:05, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, here's an idea for a less busy flag. The 8 fleurs-de-lis are for Polynesia, New Caledonia, Corsica, St. Pierre/Micquelon, Guyana, Reunion, Mauritius Mayotte, and the Antarctic islands. Benkarnell 05:44, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I rather like the flag... at least, the one shown on this page --Louisiannan 22:22, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * As to your other question on communication, there's nothing to stop the 1999 establishment IMO because the page says that at that point it consisted of nothing but the Pacific Ocean territories. I'd think that Tahiti and New Caledonia would have come together long before that... but maybe 1999 was the year they announced their intention to unite all the French territories.  Probably some French diplomats rode as passengers on WCRB expeditions to Guyana, St. Pierre, and Corsica and persuaded some people that this idea could work.  My guess, though, is that it won't last.  I see Fr. Guyana joining the other Guyanas rather soon, St. Pierre joining Canada, etc.: it just makes more economic sense.  In the meantime, the process could take years and be a lot of fun to watch.  Benkarnell 05:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

What are the Effects of Doomsday?
Was France hit _everywhere_? Could there be some sort of coalescing government of sorts? --Louisiannan 22:21, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It's hard to imagine very much surviving... I remember me reading a book called "World War III" (german title)-author former NATO General Sir John Hackett- which describes a mainly conventional war ravaging in Europe in July 1984 ended only by conventional exchange destroying Minsk and Birmingham... A large part describes the French politics at that time regarding the French Nuke Arsenal...I could imagine the Soviets placing France on top of the list of European targets, after Britain and NATO HQ's etc. So main centers should be down...and giving the centralised government I... difficult.


 * my favourite would be regional governments in the Basque and especially Catalunya Region as Barcelona should be a surviving city giving the relative low strength of Spain of that time... So maybe the regional groups see there chance and both cross-country communities should be able to flourish.


 * Also maybe based on the Monaco government a Cote D'azur thing is possible. and of corse Corsica as this island was always very proud and would take a chance to become national.


 * The French Alps region is already described as being "protected" by the Alpine Confederation. Xi&#39;Reney 22:06, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Some early work shows Corsica as part of this federation. But I don't think that's "official" yet.  Benkarnell 22:26, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * And given the penchant for the Corsicans to try bombing their way to freedom (big in the 80's) I wouldn't be surprised if the Alpine Confed just said, "Good luck, buckos -- don't let the door hit you on the way out!"


 * I'll have to think about it. Do we have, ANYWHERE a list of the cities that were hit?   At least then I could figure out a rough nuclear zone and go from there... Louisiannan 23:00, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't have a list, but here is a rough map I made of the nuclear strikes. It pretty rough, as I wiped it up quickly in my free time. A few targets are way off, and I may have missed a few military targets. But it should give you a general idea of the regions that were hit.--ShutUpNavi 23:43, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It does -- how "set in stone" is this? In another project that Ben and I both work on, we have the principal of Quod Scripsi, Scripsi, meaning that whatever's been laid down is set in stone, unless really good reasons exist to change it.  It looks to me, focusing in on France I see marks on/near the following cities:
 * Caen
 * Paris (I can only assume since it really got pounded. It's a little west of Paris, though).
 * Toulouse
 * Bordeaux
 * Lyon
 * Marseille
 * Monaco (?)
 * I think you may have meant Montpelier, which would be a more likely target. Am I right?  Were they all hit or were they all potential targets? --Louisiannan 16:32, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Nevermind -- Benkarnell answered me elsewhere...

There's also the "Doomsday Report" - this is supposed to be a list of the sort you're looking for. But it "needs love" before it can be useful. Benkarnell 02:54, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Effects of Doomsday
The following were nuked:


 * Caen
 * Paris (I can only assume since it really got pounded. It's a little west of Paris, though).
 * Toulouse
 * Bordeaux
 * Lyon
 * Marseille -- bomb actually plunged into the water and exploded, tidal waves and radiation poisoning.
 * Montpelier

Arising from the ashes by 2000 will be Bourgogne (Burgundy), the Monegasque Kingdom and Auvergne. More to come later.

Territories?
How many territories does this France actually claim? There are many that are not on the list: I'd think that W&F is definitely part, since it's in the Pacific. The Indian Ocean islands are likely as well. Maybe the Caribbean islands joined the East Caribbean Federation, and since Canada's now largely based on Newfoundland, probably St. P & M is dependent on Canada. Benkarnell 22:30, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * St. Martin & St. Barthelemey
 * Martinique
 * Guadeloupe
 * St. Pierre & Miquelon
 * Mayotte
 * Reunion
 * Wallis & Futuna