User talk:Arstarpool



Changes
Alex, welcome to the wiki. I saw your changes on the WCRB Southern U.S. article and undid them. I wanted to explain why. It's not that they weren't good suggestions, but the article is intended to be the text of a historical document in the 1983: Doomsday timeline. It wouldn't be updated like you and I update articles on this wiki. That said, the document is going to be wrong in some areas, incomplete in others, and that's fine. I wrote the article as a guide for editors like yourself to use in creating scenarios, and in TTL it showed what was known of the region at the time it was written last fall. Updating it to reflect newly discovered nations would be unrealistic for TTL; the WCRB probably will publish updates on a regular basis, but won't constantly revise the main article. To your changes: 1. please write up the Conch Republic as a proposal...and do one separately for Key West (if they're not one and the same) 2. I estimated 90 percent of people having died on Doomsday in America, but that could be too high of a number; 80 or even 70 percent might be closer to the truth 3. You might want to make sure Key West wouldn't have gotten hit by nukes, or covered with radiation and fallout from the south Florida and Cuban blasts...I'd like to read your ideas on how the region made it through, and got to 10,000 people 4. The Cubans discovered the Coke formula (which was canon long before I started here, so I rolled with it when I wrote the WCRB article), and I see no reason to have Mexicans test it... --BrianD 06:11, March 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * You've clarified well the Coke/Cuba issue. I don't remember the editor who created the Cuba article and wrote the Coca-Cola item into Cuba's history; I can only guess he was ignorant (as was I) that Coca-Cola was not distributed in any manner in Cuba. One possible solution is that as Cuba makes contact with other Caribbean and Central American nations in the 80s and 90s, some people from those countries join the exploration team (places where Coke was sold), and they confirm the taste...but Cuba ends up getting the credit. I'm fine with 80 percent, but I would ask you to run that by the other editors on the timeline. I might revise that number down further, too. Alex, again, welcome to the blog and I hope that I myself have come across well in my responses. Thank you for your contributions and for your clarifications! BrianD 07:12, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

Florida
As a fellow Floridian would you like to work on the Everglades survivor nation together? I already started a proposal for it. --GOPZACK 03:01, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Great, I called it the. I was thinking the borders could be as follows. --GOPZACK 03:08, March 17, 2010 (UTC)



I agree that it should contain more territory in the everglades but some of it will be uninhabitable due to the strikes on Homestead. Plus those cites on the coast would have survived so it's most plausible that people there would band together as one to survive. --GOPZACK 03:36, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Isent it time for South Florida to spread, I mean I think some people might of lived around Tampa and Miami from the nuked, and what about the Keys, were they nuked, I was trying to see if they got destroyed...I was thinking about making a some type of republic and then trying to reunite all of Florida, with your help and GOPZACK, I am also new at this and I'm trying to learn. Perryz101 04:38, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Yes I see...I will try and learn, and I will work on the story on North Florida, thanks I think I will enjoy this wiki.Perryz101 05:48, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking of somthing, maybe sending recon missions into the Tampa and Miami areas and finding if some type of order is in the area and maybe get the people to join South Florida.Perryz101 02:57, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

I had already written something on Tampa and Miami, and yes there are very small communities there. Please read through the Republic of South Florida arcticle and you will see what is on those areas. Arstarpool 03:08, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Would you like South and North Florida to have some type of contact with each other??Perryz101 03:10, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

How about this: In two days real time On April 10, 2010, recon groups from South Florida will be sailing through the Gulf, near North Florida, where they run into a band of fishers who claim to be from The Repubic of North Florida. Sound good to you? Arstarpool 03:14, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good.Perryz101 03:18, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Rome
Sure I'd love to help! Thank you for the opportunity. I'm going to do some research into the suburbs of Rome & I'll get back to you with a few ideas. What ideas do you have? GOPZACK 20:18, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

If I were you I'd look into a survior nation in these areas.

I actually just did some work on it. I've just been on the sidelines letting you fill it out for a bit. --GOPZACK 00:35, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Indiana revert
Thanks for the revert. I worked hard making those changes to help the "Newbie" get his article half-way presentable. He is no writer. But he wants to put a good face on his home state. SouthWriter 06:08, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Your welcome to reverting the changes. I would have marked this on your talk page, but seeing that he frequents your talk page like your his momma bird, I would not want him to get offended. "Newbie", however, is not the case, its the individual. While the rest of the "newbies" have worked towards becoming significant members of the site, Perryz has continued to have this attitude thinking that everything is alright in this wiki. For example, the very first article he made was "North Florida" stating it will be temporary until " we unite all of Florida". This was on his first day, mind you, and he thinks we are reuniting thousands of square miles in days. While I do not want to be the bully of the playground, I will state that he is ignorant, and continues to act like we are going to pop all of our little countries together any minute now. He does this again with his Indiana article, like when he wants the counties annexed by Kentucky to become "hoosiers" again. What he doesn't get though, is that other people beat him to the punch and claimed whatever he wanted first, so he comes up what in his eyes is a solution, which is usually making an article like North Florida (which I cannot believe is about to become canon). While it is none of my buisness, he seems to be kid, judging by the way he spells, and that should not be an excuse for him. If you need help getting his little articles in order, I'm free to help. Arstarpool 06:30, May 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks again. I am trying to give Perry the benefit of doubt in Indiana, since he is from there. I try not to change the meaning of his statements, but just expand them a little to add coherence. Somethings I do change things without specifically asking, like changing a threatened "excommunication" by Baptists to losing one's spot on the deacon board. I am a deacon in a Presbyterian church (not quite the same, but I know how church leadership works). I also differenciated between Independent Baptists and Convention-associated ones. I know how both work, having family ties with both.


 * With North Florida, it is a combination of my editing and Zack's continued interest with the article that has kept that alive. Perry decided that he did not know enough about Florida to continue working on that one. Back to Indiana, I think he might be able to build an article based on a city-state around Lafayette with what he knows, but he doesn't understand what this timeline is all about.


 * You're certainly welcome to go over there and clean up some grammar, and make suggestions on improving things. It will free me up to do a little work on the states in the PUSA. Have you seen what I did with Montana? I am working on the revised Constitution on the PUS article right now. SouthWriter 19:15, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Commonwealth of California
I marked it as obsolete based on comments on the article's talk page and the fact that there was support for its obsoletion on the main talk page. If you feel it still has a chance that is fine, I even reinstated the proposal template (the already has a process in place for situations when someone wants to revitalize an obsolete article). Good luck. Mitro 22:27, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * First off, I already did change it back to a proposal so I am not sure why we are still having this conversation. Second off, I followed the same procedure that has always been used when marking an article obsolete. Seeing that more than one user doubted the plausibility of the article on it's talk page, I moved to mark it as obsolete on the main talk page. After waiting a significant amount of time, and receiving a vote in support of marking it obsolete from another user, I placed the obsolete template on it. Where were you and Yank when this was happening? Both of you have used the main talk page before, did you not notice it? If either of you had spoke up when this was happening we would not have been having this conversation in the first place. Learning from this experience I will probably in the future contact an article's creator when I move to mark an article as obsolete. The fact of the matter is you your article is a proposal again, but I reccomend paying more attention to the main talk page more in case anyone has any comments or questions for your articles. Mitro 00:21, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Wisconsin
You have my permission to adopt the article. However, I ask that you keep to what is stated in the history of the Republic of Superior, and also to what I had planned in the discussion page of the Wisconsin article. Other than that you have free reign. Lahbas 04:15, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Population of South Florida
Zack and I spent a long time discussing the population of South Florida, with input from both South and Loius (South was the one who suggested a number between 50k and 100k). It was agreed that the most plausible population was 86k, you can see some of the discussion in the archives and the South Florida talk page. The article was graduated with that population level and I don't see why it should just be unilaterally changed just because you disagree. If you feel it should be changed, start a discussion and build some consensus. Mitro 01:53, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

North Florida
I noticed your comments on Perryz101's page. I just want to say that I think North Florida is still a viable nation. I agree with you that they will never reunited but as two separate nations they can still coexist and be friendly neighbours with a trade deal or something. Me and SouthWriter are still "cleaning up" the article when we can. I noticed your edit to the "Foreign Relations" section & I thank you for it. Your welcome to help us reform it further. If you'd like to make a major change mention it on my page, South's or the talk page. --GOPZACK 18:38, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Perryz101 abandoned the article. Me and SouthWriter took over after he left it for the Indiana article. Preeyz no longer has the power to wield such authority. Furthermore the article has not "outlived its usefulness". Were still working on it. Your welcome to join us in restoring it. --GOPZACK 17:06, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

I renamed it the "Republic of Gainesville" seeing as that is its capital. As for changing South Florida's name, is that really necessary?

Help
Hi Arstapool i write you to ask you if you can help me creating articles and expanding my new article Balkanized North America VENEZUELA 01:34, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Netherlands Antilles
If you make radical changes to an article in the Doomsday timeline, could you, in accordance with the QSS principle, at the very least discuss them first and give some valid reasons for the change? --Karsten vK (talk) 16:52, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, eliminating Spanish as an official language, thereby contradicting the language section of the article, seems a fairly radical move to me for one. On another note, I'd say it would have been a sign of good manners to contact the original author of an article before claiming to have adopted it. --Karsten vK (talk) 17:14, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I can understand where the misunderstanding stems from, but Xi only created it as a placeholder. I am the original author of the article. --Karsten vK (talk) 17:34, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Since this is a wiki, nobody owns an article and therefore, neither do I. I'd say overseer or supervisor would be better terms. Regardless, the concept comes down to pretty much the same thing. I don't object to people contributing to the articles I've written, but I would like to known about it and have the ability to discuss it first. In short: What were your plans with the article? --Karsten vK (talk) 17:51, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, well what you should keep in mind here is that there are some marked differences between Portugal and the Netherlands Antilles. The most obvious one being that, whereas the Portuguese government on the Azores is a true 'government in exile', the government as located in Willemstad is that of a wholly different country that has only adopted the legal legacy of the Kingdom of The Netherlands, but may not even be all that genuinely interested in the fate of the former motherland. The second noticeable difference is of a demographic nature. The Azores and Madeira (and to a lesser extent arguably even Cape Verde) are inhabited by people who talk, look and behave Portuguese. The Netherlands Antilles are inhabited by people who don't generally look Dutch (in a post-Doomsday crisis environment, I don't think one should underestimate narrow-minded racism), don't behave like those remaining Dutchmen and lastly, hardly ever speak the country's language any-more. This, I guess, would mean that, where the Azoreans et al. would be greeted as countrymen coming to restore civil order, the Antillians might very well be taken as foreign occupiers bent on some kind of opposite-direction colonialism. I don't deem it unlikely that attempts by Willemstad to create a permanent presence in the former motherland would meet with violent opposition, especially from Friesland and North Germany which hold onto the two northernmost provinces (perhaps an initial, failed, diplomatic mission to Friesland to become a constituent part of the Kingdom could be included). It'd probably be not be unlikely that a costly operation like this would, under domestic pressure, be aborted once it turns out that the Antillians are not really wanted. In short; I think a section on Antillian presence in the Low Countries would be a nice addition to the article, but that it cannot be fully be brought at par with Portugal since the circumstances are to a great extent different from it. --Karsten vK (talk) 08:37, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Gainesville
Thanks for fixing the media section, some of the crap from when Perry was in charge remains. I don't mean to be rude but for any future changes please make note of them in the talk page first. As for the population I'm going to talk to South about that, he's done some brilliant work in that area. --GOPZACK 03:59, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Costa Rica
What are you planning to do with it? I've done a lot with Costa Rica and have been writing news updates from time to time. I wouldn't mind you enriching our coverage of Costa Rica, but I would be uncomfortable if you took it in some kind of surprising direction. I'm not saying "Stay away!" - only that CR is a creation I'm still actively involved in, not one I consider "finished" (like, say, Micronesia). Benkarnell 15:51, May 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * So are you going to go ahead? What ideas do you have? Benkarnell 22:27, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

New Rome
Hi Arstapool; this isn't a really important post, but I just felt like pointing out something - you said in your discussion over New Rome that 'the guy who wrote Essex' created New London. I didn't; that was dreamt up by the creators of the Celtic Alliance, and separate from the disparate (and almost entirely unpopulated) territories Essex has in East London. As I said, totally unimportant, but I just felt like, er, clearing my name, so to speak. Fegaxeyl 16:19, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Tuscany/Georgia
Ok, so it's OK if you adopt it if am written as a caretaker (and on Tuscany too.) Thank you:

Fedelede 01:05, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Also, would you like to help me on my TL, Divided Italy?

Astarpool, you can add whatever you like on Divided Italy as long as it isn't spamful Fedelede 02:54, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Respect
I would ask kindly that you would treat new contributors with some respect. It is after all one of the fundamental issues we were debating earlier. They may have some strange ideas but don't crush their souls outright, give them a chance offer them advice don't immediately demonize them. --GOPZACK 01:10, June 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes I was referencing the Sunkist incident. As for Ocelot I agree with you and these three others that he should be banned.


 * I just find it ironic and I suppose a tad hypocritical that you say "DO NOT ACT LIKE AN ADMIN" in a rather rude fashion right after you claim that you do treat people with respect. Not to mention that now your acting like an administrator the way your flaunting power you do not have.


 * I never once claimed to be an administrator and as far as I know Brian is not one either. I have however been here longer then you have and for the collective good of the community have been trying to maintain a degree of order around here. When the Ocelot's of this wiki pop up we'll deal with them but if someone unfamiliar with the workings of this timeline makes a proposal its best to try work with them in a constructive and respectful manner. I'm glad you've worked things out with Sunkist but you did leave a pretty shitty first impression.


 * One the subject of flaunting power, I'd say you the one flaunting imaginary power. Your like hitler during the final days of World War 2 moving around all these divisions on the map that are nothing but fantasies or gross exaggerations of ragtag units. Your handling of your California article also leaves a lot to be desired as well.


 * All in all I'm glad that you intend to show a little more respect to the "newbies" as you call them. --GOPZACK 04:32, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

You accuse me of being this evil administrator yet I do not do three of the four things you just listed. What I meant by that and perhaps I did not make myself clear is that your heavy handed orders that I ought to stop "acting like an admin".

As for the California article you demand that the borders of Serra Nevada, an article created well before yours that is already locked in a bitter territorial dispute with Utah, so your article could "fit". We don't run a "me me me! Whats best for me!?" system here. We run things consensus not on what the "Newbies" (which quite frankly you still are) want. --GOPZACK 20:27, June 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * It has been stated that non administrators have the power to graduate articles. In fact, we are all technically equal just some have the power to block people and such. Still I think your making a much ado about nothing over this issue. All I asked that you treat those who are newer then you with a little respect. I was hoping you'd understand but clearly thats not the case.


 * You can be here longer then other newbies and still be a newbie. Also you seem to take offence to the word "newbie" as if you claim copyright over it. --GOPZACK 22:54, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

East Caribbean Federation
If you have any problems with the East Caribbean Federation article raise them in the talk page don't just arbitrarily change it. GOPZACK 22:58, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi, I created an article call Kuban People Republic but I dint' put (1983: Doomsday) in the name how may I or you put it? Please, Answer. Thanks VENEZUELA 01:46, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! Arstapool VENEZUELA 01:48, June 8, 2010 (UTC) jajaja gracias

I have another question, how do I put the small flag like in a list? (like in your user page) thanks.

Georgia
Georgia (caucasus) is still on adoption, because I would like to adopt it. VENEZUELA 02:17, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Venezuela, I offered that to Astarpool... and he adopted it. I don't know if he put it on adoption again, but if I know, my adoption offer is closed... Fedelede 02:21, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Arstapool thank you! may I eliminate the Caucasus Alliance and created the seceding republics like Ossetia? VENEZUELA 02:23, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Anthem
Sorry to ask, but what is the tune of South Florida's anthem, is it the same as the US, it would seem very close.---Sunkist- 19:17, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

USSR and GEORGIA
Hi Arstapool, I change the Georgia article and propose some ex-ussr republics in the 1983 talk pages. VENEZUELA 00:08, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Cornwall
Hey, I was thinking of a nation in England, Cornwall and Plymouth, Ive looked over and over again if these sites were nuked, none I have found. If you would like to help me on this project, please tell me.---Sunkist- 03:57, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Seems like alot of culture in the Cornish people, and seeing that it would be the majority ethnic group in both Cornwall and Devon, it would be somthing of the Cornish Language.---Sunkist- 04:11, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking, "An Republic Kernow" in Cornish, or in English. "The Republic Of Cornwall".---Sunkist- 04:23, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Fixed.---Sunkist- 05:46, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Plymouth was destroyed, HMNB Devonport, gotta cut this city out.---Sunkist- 05:58, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Caucasus
Hi Arstapool, may you help my with the Caucasus countries in 1983? please. VENEZUELA 20:32, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Georgia, Azerbaijan, and you may create Armenia. VENEZUELA 21:07, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Adopting articles
FYI, the state that we usually wait until an editor has been missing for 3 months before we try adopting their article(s). Navi was recently active on May 30 so his articles really do not apply under the current guidelines. Granted it doesn't hurt to ask, but its likely that editors who are still active will not look kindly on someone trying to "adopt" their articles. -Mitro
 * I know you messaged Navi, my message was in regards to that message. As I stated we usually assume that active editors will not give up their articles for adoption, hence why I suggested you should only ask editors to adopt their articles after a long period of inactivity. In the past some editors have become irritated when others asked to adopt their articles, even though they were still actively working on them. It was only a friendly warning. -Mitro

New Article
Hi Arstapool have you seen my new articles? VENEZUELA 21:37, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

In which ones? VENEZUELA 21:41, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

World Heritage Sites
Hello, Arstapool, about the thing of the "UNESCO": the number of sites of each country is of how much the country have, not about how much powerful it is, Lebanon has all the ones in the "UNESCO" that have in OTL the same with Venezuela, and this is an alternate history in which you can add more sites to a country than the OTL country have. And also please add some in Australia andAfrica and maybe Europe with their photos in the galleries, thank you. VENEZUELA 20:29, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Arstaropool thak you for adding some sites in Asia! VENEZUELA 01:00, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Hi Arstarpool, might I be in charge of this article? VENEZUELA 19:20, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

South American World
I deleted South American World, and I change it to Perez Jimenez's Venezuela, in which I glorify Venezuela, but in a form in which could happened in OTL, with dictator Perez Jimenez, here I put you 3 links for knowing more about him and Venezuela at the time:

A Time Magazine From 1955

A video

A video

Arstarpool have you already seen my timeline, what do you think?VENEZUELA 00:47, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Hey I create a new article which have countries and I want to put the flag but small like in your user page, and it's dificult so may you put some, please, the article is 1968 Olympic Games. VENEZUELA 02:32, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Delmarva
If you've taken over from FX on this article, could I help you with it? I'm a resident of Northern VA, and know a lot about the Cheseapeake area. BoredMatt 22:12, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

K dude, thanks. I'll wait for FX though, I dont wanna piss him off.

Cold War
Ok, perfect, but I read on it that I must ask someone, but because you ask me, I'm already on it?VENEZUELA 00:09, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Prof's Doomsday
I'm not stupid, haha, I know not to write in the first person. I figured, this seemed like a new thing within the Doomsday canon, so why not to try to work on it collaboratively? I don't know if anyone is going to accept this yet, so I figured: I have to make my point first or else this is never going to be accepted. Plus, I can't do this article alone, this encompasses most countries. ProfessorMcG 03:07, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Doomsday Questions
I don't know how to make the maps that other people use to show where their country's are. I also wouldn't know where would be an okay place to put the country.

Ownerzmcown 17:32, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Also, does the country have to have been founded in 2010, or can it be founded like in the 90's or 2000's?

What about a country in Eastern Germany?

You a Tom Petty fan? BoredMatt 00:16, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

I just thought of something brilliant, what about a country in the Balkans, I plan to call it New Kingdom of Macedonia. What do you think, can you make me a map for it? Ownerzmcown 10:27, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Should I just start on it or wait for the map? Ownerzmcown 13:59, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

San Marino
I would love some help, do you think the story works?--Sunkist- 17:44, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

I think you might of taken that wrong, " San Marino is trying to find diplomatic terms with Tuscany, and Venice" meaning trying to set up a embassy and trying to become close allies, or I might of wrote out that section out wrong, but yes I do want Tuscany and San Marino to become best buddies. Also I should list the farm land they took around San Marinos borders, alot of cheese and wine there!--Sunkist- 17:58, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

So, do you have any Ideas?--Sunkist- 20:10, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

OK, I believe I'm ready for you to show me the map. Remember to erase this as soon as you can. Fedelede 01:47, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

I think there is a much larger population.--Sunkist- 01:55, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

I think thats a great Idea, I've just added the three main citys to take, they would allow San Marino to get to water.--Sunkist- 19:40, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Seeing as Tuscany is on the same page with San Marino agenst Sicily, I was seeing if we could form some type of Italian Peninsula alliance, we would also need Venice to jump with us to.--Sunkist- 21:11, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Well if we can, I already have a flag made.--Sunkist- 00:14, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Do you know who runs the Venice page?--Sunkist- 00:24, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I don't mind, and I would love too :D, Also ,would you like to get started on the Italian Alliance?--Sunkist- 05:07, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Mexico
They enter War with USA, although they were loosing, Germany after wining in Europe help them in North America, Mexico win the war and after a treaty USA give them their lost territory as Germany promise them in the Zimmerman Telegram.

Hawaii and Alaska independence was given after a treaty with Japan at the end of WW2, with Japan's excuse of free the Inuit, Hawaiian and other indigenous people from the american oppression, the real motive was to have more puppet states. VENEZUELA 22:42, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

I know, but Japan did the same in China in OTL they said that the Chinese were oppressing the Manchus, and made Manchukuo and independent state, Japaneses don't liked America and they would happily have more puppet states and make USA to lost more territory.VENEZUELA 22:59, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Remember that here Japan won the war they never returned Manchuria, and here like in OTL Japan invaded The Aleutians Islands, if they win they would possibly countinue until mainland Alaska and stablish a puppet state with a puppet goverment.VENEZUELA 00:16, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Central World
Hi do you like my idea of turning Central World in a community project, and if you might create an article for it, also: why don't you create a poll in the community project discussion with all the propositions.VENEZUELA 01:44, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

China
Hey Arstar, I was wondering if you were interested at all at restarting the whole PRC rump state? If you don't mind, I'd like to have a crack at it.--Vladivostok 06:48, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. Well, I won't bother you if you want to flesh out your newly created article, as I really liked the PRC that was created. With a few tweaks, it could have been a good article. That said, please, by all means continue writing the article you started.--Vladivostok 14:12, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Central World
Hi Arstarpool, In central world most of African countries are independent, except German Colonies and Italian colonies, so I wonder I give independence to German Africa or remains German? please answer with your opinion VENEZUELA 22:33, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Macedonia
Yo Arstar, wassup, I created my own 1983:DD page a few days ago, its called the Kingdom of Macedonia, visit it and tell me what you think, much appreciated Ownerzmcown, 1:56, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I have good news, I know a lot of people have been arguing the ethnic problems of Macedonia are underextended, but I solved that problem, check out the page and you'll see OwnerzmcownOwnerzmcown 01:56, July 1, 2010 (UTC) 1:56, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

How does your nation enter the League of Nations in 1983:DD, do I have to go over it with someone, or do I just say it is and it becomes an official member if/when the page is ratified? Ownerzmcown 02:44, July 2, 2010 (UTC), 2:44, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Cold War
Haha I started the Nuke War because of all of the s*** that was happening. I knew people would wind it back, and guess what? I only get more people for the WP, yessssssss. ProfessorMcG 02:19, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Arstar, are you gonna keep participating in the Cold War! (Map Game), its restarting and you are the overseer and player for the Non-Alligned Movement, a major player in the game. Ownerzmcown 17:46, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Kuban and Don
Hi, Arstarpool I see that you turn this 2 articles in obsolete? why? if it's about the things that Lordganon put I already fixed them except the map which LordGanon is actually creating. Please don't turn it again obsolete because all the errors were fixed and the suggestions added, and the map is under creation, just let them in proposal and time will decide if people doesn't want them. VENEZUELA 01:08, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Hi with the help of Lordganon I changed the maps! VENEZUELA 01:21, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but remember that the survivors can get out of the ashes, they were farmers they don't need help from Russia which would be the inhabitable, in the roman times, a giant fire ocurred in Beirut, then an earthquake and later a tsunami all in the same day, and look Beirut is a wonderful city today. VENEZUELA 02:13, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Yes but remember that most of this places in the Caucasus weren't nuked, and the people in the county although they were affected they survive at least some 100 that will create the new nations like their ancestors did millions of years ago, based from what the survivors know and remember and from the remaining technology, like the tribe boys in Mad Max. VENEZUELA 02:35, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

HEY, STOP WRITING THAT GIGANTIC BIG LIES, BECAUSE I'M NOT USING DIFFERENT IPS SO PLEASE STOP SAYING GIANT LIES, OR I'M GOING TO BLOCK YOU. Dafg 18:51, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

He's my best friend and he is on my home today, in Venezuela we are starting vacations, he was voting for me in my house, so this would be the only one that would not be true, because I say to him to vote for me, and we were using my computer, also if you see his history he's playing map games long before today, I'm not using different IPs if you want you may see the poll history and discover that I din't create puppets. VENEZUELA 18:59, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

If you don't agree let's do this, you do a poll in each one, and people decide if they canon or turn obsolete, ok? VENEZUELA 03:03, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Hey let put it like proposal and let make people comment. VENEZUELA 19:08, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Like this: What should happen to Armenia? Be canon Be obsolete continue proposal ok? Might you do it now? VENEZUELA 03:13, June 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Polls are notroiously inaccurate. The best place to discuss an article's status is on that artlcle's talk page. Further discussion, especially when it nears graduation, can be made on the general talk page under "proposals.' SouthWriter 19:45, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Arstarpool Delmarva is very near Washington DC, so why there can't be Caucasus States. VENEZUELA 23:27, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * And of what size do you think this countries are THEY HAVE MORE THAN 400 KM THE DISTANCE OF WASHINGTON DC TO DELMARVA so they can survive. VENEZUELA 23:34, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey I'm not VENEZUELA I'm just at is house, so if I want to delete it I can, ok?!Dafg 00:33, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, I want to know when the "election" will finish. VENEZUELA 17:41, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Arstarpool I want to know if I can already put them canon, because in the questions Lordganon, Vladivostok, and me have put no. VENEZUELA 23:58, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * ok, and Azerbaijan or Armenia? VENEZUELA 00:03, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Dubuque
No thanks on your proposal. The only reason I cared about my article was because I have been to Dubuque and it personally held interest for me. Now I'm crusade my ass off to create a new community project with new admins so more people who are new here can get a voice. I don't know how long you've been with this site, but the relationship between older admins and newer people can be a little ass-ish and I want to change that and let new people have fun. ProfessorMcG 02:29, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Arstar, I thank you for your help but can I help you a little bit? Here's what's been bothering me. I used the word admin in my sentence. And by the word admin I meant person who usually was the most active in preserving the continuity of the timeline. It's a simple word. Why do you have to always contradict what I'm saying? This goes for saying with a lot of people on this website. We are all here typically because this falls into our personality but why do you always have to prove me wrong? It's a simple word, I understand your need to prove your intelligence. I need to do that too :) but it makes the other person feel stupid EVERY time they talk to someone else. And that makes them resent conversation with other people, that resentment can build up and make people act like an ass, like how I'm acting right now. Just a word of advice, hold back that one little jab to prove your supremacy. I sound patronizing, but I'm trying to help :) OK? ProfessorMcG 02:42, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Map
Hey Arstar, I was wondering what happened to Siberia on the current map in the World Country Profiles. Because they lost the entirety of the Ural Territory for some reason and I'm guessing that was a mistake.--Vladivostok 11:01, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Adminship.
Yes, in fact. I say "they" and not "I" because I haven't worked with you directly as much. By the time you joined the site, I was already starting my gradual decrease in activity. But the feeling is that you've shown disrespect toward other users, including quite recently - you and Zack had a recent exchange over that issue. This is a big deal because banning or even threatening to ban somebody unfairly can really hurt the community. Since you seem eager to step up and help, I am inclined to give you rollback rights ("Constable" rank), which increases your ability to revert vandal edits but does not include banning rights. Benkarnell 17:27, June 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * No, I don't mean you've threatened to ban anybody. I mean that disrespectful behavior is far worse when done by an admin because of the banning powers admins have. Since you're willing to have it all displayed publicly, here are the comments:
 * Mitro: "Arstarpool just comes off as way to pushy, especially since he nominated himself for the job. Also he has been warned about his attitude toward others before (http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Arstarpool#Respect)... As an admin he will be dealing with a lot of new users and the last thing we want is an admin with an attitude problem scaring away new editors. Still we should give him a chance as a Constable and see what he does."
 * Louisianan: "But I'm definitely not in favor of Arstarpool... and I'll side with Mitro on his views of the two of them."
 * Karsten: "Concerning Arstarpool: I'd indeed hold off making him an admin. He surely is a prolific member, but that in itself doesn't necessarily makes him a proper admin, but making him a constable won't hurt. As long as credentials and motivation are okay, I'm largely fine with self-nomination though."
 * As for me, I didn't feel qualified to discuss your qualifications since I hadn't had much experience with you directly. I disagreed with Mitro/agreed with Karsten that the act of self-nominating is not by any means a bad thing, but that was the extent of my comments.
 * Consensus is pretty clear. I can constabulatize you now while I wait for final word from some of the others on the Main Page discussion. Benkarnell 17:43, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Arstar, now I see you going after all the others - like I said, only Mitro mentioned the self-nomination, and the rest of us saw this as no problem. This sort of defensiveness is, quite frankly, not a good leadership quality. Since you're obviously interested in contributing in a leadership role, I will give you rollback rights now. Benkarnell 17:54, June 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * At this point it's just the rollback, not the suite of powers that admins have. The full list for all groups is here: Special:ListGroupRights. Benkarnell 18:31, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Bangladesh map error
I was totally embarrassed by that error. If you would check the article again, you will notice that I corrected the error.

Yankovic270 04:10, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Changes to article "without permission"
Minor errors are one thing, but changes made to prevent "problems" should be first discussed with the author of the article. I will concur with your changes to the "Communism in Asia" section of my article on the USA, since that section does tend to set the tone for articles not yet written. However, in establishing the USA in Asia, I must present what I feel are the logical consequences of the alternate history.

India became a democracy in OTL, and I see no reason why it could not in TTL. Likewise, it has pretty much been decided that the French could not hold on to its colonies after World War II. Your version of that paragraph, though, leaves more "wiggle room" so I will leave the changes. Perhaps it will speed the graduation of the article. :-) SouthWriter 06:32, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

RE:World Country Profile
Thank you Arstar, but I've been actually meaning to talk to you about that. You as well have done a good job of discussing new articles, graduating them, as well as putting the discussions into the archives. However, when graduating to canon new nations, you should also add them to the World Country Profile. That makes for a more cleaner transition. Oh, and did I perhaps miss a nation or two?--Vladivostok 07:24, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Commonwealth
Why are you eliminating the Commonwealth Members? VENEZUELA 01:31, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

I think that ones should be add, if you want yo might eliminate Cascadia. VENEZUELA 01:39, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

I think Canada, ANZC, and most of the pacific islands (most ANZC associated states) would be members. VENEZUELA 01:57, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Well, Andrew is the legitimate monarch, and Canada still recognizes the monarchy, so I don't see why not? The Canada page says they didn't have any contact with British Monarchy until 98 with Queen Anne of Cleveland, but Andrew I believe visited Canada last year.Oerwinde 07:03, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Calthrina write in my talk page and say me that I speak english bad, that I organize articles horrible, that i need a more professional vocabulary, and that I need English classes!!!!!!!!! VENEZUELA 02:47, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Why?
Why did you send a report on me? I may do unreasonable actions, but I was just lifted off a one-week ban, and I think we should see how my behavior runs along throughout the rest of the day. --Catherine 20:03, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. And also, isn't the TSPTF the administrative staff of the site? --Catherine 20:24, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

What! I apologized to Fedelede and Tubiguy, as well I am revoking my comment. I mean no harm! If you say that I do, then.........then. I don't know how to please you anymore. --Catherine 02:46, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

I am apologzing to those people, I have apologozied to Fedelede and Tbguy, I will issue a offical revocation of my comment, ProfessorMcG said no harm against it, for god's sakes man, what more do you want a person to do? --Catherine 02:48, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Seriously Arstar, what has gotten you so riled up tonight? I ask this honestly, because you have never acted this vehemently before. ProfessorMcG 02:50, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

I accept your offer. Why I might be a older user then you, you clearly have the proper authority. 10:59 ESTM? My time is Mountain Standard Time. Can you give me a estimate of when my Day ends on my time? --Catherine 02:53, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

You were granted rights before I was. I was here, as a registered user, at least two months before you arrived. How come you are part of the Taskforce? --Catherine 19:11, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

I can't believe she actually asked that. Anyway, she called XterrorX a heathen racist who will burn in hell for believing in monkey evolution so I banned her for 1000 years.Oerwinde 20:52, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Wasn't today her "Rude Day"? Sorry for jumping in like this, but after reading the argument a bit, wasn't this the case?--Vladivostok 20:56, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Arstarpool gave her a rude day. I told her if she had three strikes. She used her third and is gone. I doubt anyone will miss her. Her antics disrupt the entire site. The week she was gone was fantastic.Oerwinde 21:13, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Norfolk Island
Yeah sure go right ahead! --GOPZACK 21:02, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Costa Rica
You live in Costa Rica? Nice!! BoredMatt 22:14, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Zululand
Hi Arstarpool might you do the civil war part of my Zululand article and I see that you live in Costa Rica and you lived in Colombia, so I wonder have you visit Venezuela? VENEZUELA 01:08, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Also If Yankovic led me do the Association might I put Taiwan? VENEZUELA 16:45, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Also I'm not going to change the article of CSTO just I'm gonna put the flags, ok, just for you to know. VENEZUELA 16:48, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Macau
I love the idea of working with you. I've read your articles, and I like your work.

Yankovic270 19:54, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Why would the independant nation of Macau call themselves a "colony"? It makes no sense.

Yankovic270 02:07, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Answer to your Question
No. It isn't a picture of Knuckles the Echidna. It is a piece of Fan Art depicting parody artist "Weird Al" Yankovic as an echidna. It combines two of my favorite things: Sonic the Hedgehog and "Weird Al" Yankovic.

Yankovic270 02:04, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

No. I am not. I believe that the "back to basics" style of StH4 is a mistake. I had gotten quite fond of the expanded cast of characters. I am of the school of thought that says that you need more than two characters to make a good story. The fact that SEGA fucked with the cast the way they did makes me so pissed.

Yankovic270 03:10, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

That still doesn't excuse the fact that they are eliminating some of the most popular Sonic characters in the series. I like Shadow. I like Knuckles. I like Amy. Why the hell can't any of these charcters be in the game. The fact that some of the more recent games aren't that well-recieved doesn't mean you should effectively reset the series to its roots. In my mind the guys at SEGA majorly fucked up this one. Sonic the Hedgehog 4 is, in my opinion, as big a mistake as New Coke or making Greedo shoot first.

Yankovic270 05:20, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

As mistakes like New Coke andVW's discontinuing of the "classic" 60's style Beetle haven proven that change for change's sake only never ends in anything good. As far as I concerned Sonic the Hedgehog 4 is yet another example of that rule.

Yankovic270 05:32, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Association of Southeast Asian Nations
I've given 'Zuela full permission to edit the article. You can get off his case about it now.

Yankovic270 03:01, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Republic of Somalia
I noticed that you've removed the "proposal" tab from my RoS article. Does that mean it's now canon?? Verence71 20:13, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

OTL vs TTL (or ATL)
I've noticed that you have been confusing "OTL" with "TTL," or in general "ATL."

In this wiki, OTL means "Our Time Line" - that is the real world in which we live. TTL means "This Time Line" - the alternate time line (ALT) under discussion. For instance, you ask in a comment, "How would this be in OTL?" In context, "our time line" could mean "the time line we as a group are working on," but that is not the definition generally accepted on the wiki. Another way some editors refer to the real world (OTL) is "here" versus "there" for the ALT in question (TTL). SouthWriter 12:45, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

Virginia-Florida relations
There could be an economic and military deal between the Floridans and the Virginians. However, this requires the Floridans to join the Dixie Alliance. Economic and military support are just some of the benefits of membership. Members also get special deals in certain goods (such as munitions and vehicles). Yankovic270 00:07, July 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Starting to look like role playing again, Yank. The surviving population of South Florida is much more likely to seek relations with the Bahamas, Cuba and the rest of the Caribbean island states than a far off land-locked (until recently anyway) alliance.SouthWriter 05:41, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

The Virginians have a port, so the South Floridans can be the navy state. Of course, there are no official ranks, the member states are all equal. Besides, the Virginians are working at purchasing/building their own ocean-borne navy, but are not having much progress. Yankovic270 16:07, July 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, Yank, The Alliance could use a state with a huge coastline, and thus the Floridian nations would be good allies. However, this contributes to a Balkanization of the American southeast if the states south of Virginia (NC, SC, TN, and GA) are not in the DA. As it appears now, it does not look like the VR has enough clout to swing the struggling nation of South Florida away from its working relationship in the Caribbean. --SouthWriter 18:54, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

The Virginians are trying to get the states that constituted the non-rascist CSA to reform that nation for the simple fact that it is easier to help one big nation than four or five smaller nations. The Dixie Alliance may be talking to Hattiesburg, Piedmont, and the other survivor states in the south that I can't remember to join the Dixie Alliance. Besides, the only survivor state that was mentioned in the Georgia area was Athens and it is long gone! The Dixie Alliance has admitted some nations above the Mason-Dixon line in order to shy away from the "Neo-Confederate" stigma attached to its name. And as long as the South Floridans don't actually join the East Caribbean Federation, the Virginians are fine with them dealing with the ECF. The Dixie alliance has attempted to reach out to some of these nations, only to be rebuffed.

Yankovic270 02:04, July 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * I am assuming that to join the ECF a nation-state would be giving up its sovereignty. However, if it joined the Dixie Alliance it would retain said sovereignty. Why then, would it be against your principles to extend "membership" invitations to the ECF itself? It would seem to be a wise thing to do. That is, unless the VR secretly wants to control the DA as an extension of its own sovereinty. [See how most of the world is probably thinking?] SouthWriter 14:02, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Superior/Ontario/Canada/Saguenay War
So since you're apparently the caretaker for Superior (holy crap, is there an article on here you're not caretaker for?) I figured we should discuss the changes that need to be made regarding Ontario. The revelation of a large survivor population in southern Ontario would likely change a lot. I posted a lot of my thoughts on the Canada and Saguenay War talk pages already.Oerwinde 08:45, July 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Its two over here as well. Anyway, I was thinking that with Canada controlling most of the St Lawrence, at least until the St Lawrence raiders started stepping up, Canada could have had some presence in the great lakes region. I figure they could have had an outpost in Kingston, that they lost contact with following Saguenay funding the St Lawrence raiders and essentially cutting off any travel upriver. Ontarian states would likely be centered around Midland and Kitchener, and London, with London being an urban center in the middle of a large agricultural area, Kitchener same thing, and Midland being a vacation town with accomodations for like 10x its actual population(being an ideal place for refugees from Toronto and North Bay to settle). The Midland area is part that is claimed by Superior. I figure if we want to keep it as close to established canon as possible, have it largely be unorganized, and Superior troops add a welcome bit of stability, resulting in them joining Superior, they feel marginalized though, and maintain their Canadian identity, so when the Saguenay war reaches full swing, you have massive civil unrest in the area. Unrest requires Superior to pull troops from Gaspe to keep order, allowing the Canadians to swoop in and liberate it. With Superior pulling back and Saguenay on their own, the newly revamped, due to the Canada First Party, Canadian forces sweep into Saguenay, then move upriver to the great lakes along with Celtic Alliance allies. Once in Southern Ontario, the Canadian Superions give aid to the Canadians, but having their supply lines so long and having to occupy Saguenay strains resources. Saguenay unconditionally surrenders, but Superior and Canada are more evenly matched, Superior only being pushed back due to domestic pressures. So the treaty between Superior and Canada results in Canada's recognition of Saguenay, and recognition of Superior control of Ontario territory from Sault St Marie west, in exchange Superior cedes all Canadian territory from Sault St Marie east. Canada then establishes a Special Administrative Division of Ontario, basically a governorship, encompassing territory from Kingston to east of Sault St Marie. This would be a mostly autonomous region that answers to Canada, with the SAD government responsible for re-constructing infrastructure and regaining a sense of order in the region. Once the SAD reaches a minimul level of order, it will be graduated to Province status.Oerwinde 09:48, July 11, 2010 (UTC)OntarioPolitics.png

I really like that idea Oer, just for reference purposes I am the caretaker of --GOPZACK 00:38, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Turkey
I've added some of the requested edits. Are there any more objections to graduating my Sultanate of Turkey article? Caeruleus 16:49, July 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * The article is complete, the opposition is in the minority, and its been open to discussion for over a week. I believe the article qualifies for graduation now. I guess you're allowed to graduate it? Caeruleus 13:44, August 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * You can't graduate an article over objections. You need to either satisfy them or prove they are wrong. Mitro 15:47, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, the only remaining objection is the size, and I justified that several times. Anything else? Caeruleus 16:04, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well have you justified it enough that the objectors are satisfied or admitted they were wrong? Simply putting your argument forward isn't enough. Mitro 17:36, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. Since the final objector said he would drop his objections if he was the only one objecting. And he's the only one objecting. Caeruleus 18:12, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine, then move for it to be graduated again on the main page. Also anyone can grad an article, Arstarpool is certainly not the official graduater. Its the notice that is most important. Mitro 18:33, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay. Thanks. Caeruleus 20:16, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, you can adopt Orleans. It's not like I was planning to do anything with it anyway. I just started the article because I don't like good ideas for nations going to waste.

Yankovic270 18:58, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Central World
Hi Arstarpool, might you create an article for Central World, and if there is any template that said that anyone can write? VENEZUELA 17:14, July 13, 2010 (UTC) Please Answer me!

Thank You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A lot! VENEZUELA 17:23, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Also might you help me expanding it, and inviting more and more people to join, because I already did a blog, and write of Central World in the Main Page, but yet nothing... Please Answer me! VENEZUELA 22:52, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Of course I have write everything... without people how can people write other articles, that's why I'm trying to invite people just to have more people, more articles, more mixing, more complex, more EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!! That's why I invited YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VENEZUELA 23:44, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Now please seriously might you help me expanding or creating articles, please do what you do with Wasteland Europe, use that form for expanding, i don't know how, please do ever edit you need just to use the Wasteland technique, please answer me! VENEZUELA 03:00, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Kentucky
Yeah the first part is fine the second part I rolled back & in the process reverted your first edit, anyway its all good. --GOPZACK 22:31, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Celtic Alliance
Hi Arstarpooljust taking a quick look in and noticed a new nation Scotland (fascist) and wondered if you had any proposals to counterbalance the threat...if you need any help with local issues let me know --Mjdoch 13:30, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Proposals
Can you give me a hand & going through the various proposals on the Doomsday talk page & eliminate the useless ones and graduate the good ones? --GOPZACK 00:10, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Mediation
Sure I can do that, what is the problem? --GOPZACK 01:03, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Self-promotion
Alex, my friend, you are getting a little bold. First you nominate your own time line for "featured" and then you state here that it is not only sucessful, but that it opens up alternate history to a whole "new generation" of editors!

Just a week ago, you were looking at "Wasteland Europe" and pronouncing it "dead" because it had had a slow week. Now it is being self-nominated to be a "featured" time line. I'm a contributor there - hoping to be a major editor there if I don't get kicked out - and I will probably vote for its "feature status," but I have not been so bold to nominate something I created like you have done.

By the way, if you want to, check out History of the World (No Supernatural Intervention), a time line I created. I have invited others to help, but no takers yet. Comment on the talk page there if you visit. SouthWriter 13:53, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Wasteland Europe
Why should I help you in your timeline when i ask you to help me in mine, and you just said it was not original, stupid, and impossible to be a community project, and if it's impossible to be a community project why someone today start and article about Alaska? VENEZUELA 22:08, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I'd love to help!--Smallpox 22:18, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

I will help, and I will really appreciate it if you wanted to help me with Choose Your Own Alternate History!, which is open to anyone, but maybe not a full-fledged open TL. Tbguy1992 23:33, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Zack & Wasteland Europe
Well I made an article here for Canada, I would love to her your feedback but its 6am here in Morocco so I must get some rest. --GOPZACK 05:11, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Prussia/North Germany
At the end of the 3 weeks, Christian will be deemed mildly mentally deficient. He will abdicate and his son will take over. This will mark a major improvement in foreign relations. Re-opening talks with Denmark, and negotiating an official border between Prussia and North Germany.Oerwinde 06:42, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Perez Jimenez's Venezuela
Hi, I see your comment saying it's nationalistic but in fact is not nationalistic is just to show how Venezuela would be if he would stay in power you know why? becuase of this:

We all suffer each day seeing Venezuela, once a 1st world country and tourist paradise, controled by a facist-communist de facto dictator, seeing how crime take Caracas, our fathers can't sleep waiting util their sond return house from a party or dinner, just because of crime, we all must have protected cars, also because of crime, poverty covers 22 million people of the 28 million people in the country, seeing giant ghettos each day call barrios which houses more than 5000 people each one, each day we're more similar to Cuba, yesterday Chavez (the dictator) burned Bolivar's remains suppoesly to cientific purpose but in Venezuela everyone now that it was for a paganic ritual, our people is dormant, seeing how Venezuela is dying, some months ago a german couple was taken by pirates, the man was killed, and the woman lost in the ocean until she reached Aruba in a small boat, alive... Please Answer me. VENEZUELA 23:03, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Gracias. VENEZUELA 02:43, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Virginian Republic
I will attempt to attempt to answer as many of your questions as possible.

''Q: Richmond, the capital of the "Government State", was not nuked. Rather than confederate with West Virginia, it collapsed and has since been rebuilt.''

A: To me the status of Richmond not quite pinned down yet, but I insist that the city survived.

Q: Cars, vehicles that require parts from dozens of lands over, are now being manufactured as a "work of art".

'''A: Change that if you must. Nothing is stopping you. I only said that the civillians who own these cars decorate them with murals to set the plain militaristic-styled cars apart.'''

Q: The Dixie Alliance, mainly a Virginian vehicle of power, is now in North Georgia, a nation that is hundreds and hundreds of kilometers away.

A: The Virginians are pretty much constantly setting out expeditions to find more survivor states in America, and one of these expeditions could have found North Georgia.

Q: The 101st Airborne solely managed to secure nearly an entire state, and at least half of three other states.

'''A: The article doesn't mention it, but the 101st only carved out a small state by themselves, and seized the rest of the state with a militia they trained, and the militias of several allied statelets. And they didn't take the other territories overnight. They grew their nation slowly over the course of their existance.'''

''Q: It controls parts of Kentucky, a state home to a stable nation. (You brought this one up with Zack, so I'm assuming he let you take half of the state.)''

A: You pretty much answered that question yourself.

Q: As I recently read on an talk page, it has "one of the best equipped militaries in the world".

A: It is a militaristic society, which means it only wants the best for its troops, it weapons and other equipment.

Q: It possibly has relations with Macedonia, a country isolated in Eastern Europe.

'''A: That can be explained by the fact that one of the largest sources of income for the Virginians is the sale and export of weapons. They don't need to know the Macedonians to sell them weapons. Plus they could have met them through the Alpine Confedration or other European power'''

Q: The populace was somewhat content, or at least managed to deal with a military dictatorship for some years.

'''A: The Virginians gave stability to a region that only knew chaos after Doomsday. Plus Thompson ruled as a benevolent dictator. They became a half-decent regional power because of that dictatorship. They only had a military dictatorship when the conditions of the region made it necessary.'''

''Q: While nations all over North America waited for the return of good ol' America, the Virginians gave the US and the CRUSA the "finger". American soldiers, thought of the nation as "dead and never coming back" when a downsized version of it existed in the Great Plains.''

'''A: For most of the nations existance the Virginians had no idea that there was an USA in the midwest. When they finally found out about it, their practical nature made them see it for what it was, a regional thing that would never reunite the entire United States. They haven't given the US "the finger", they just dissapprove of blind idealistic patriotism that is symbolized by the CRUSA. Besides, in the time the Virginian Republic has existed they have developed a relatively strong national identity. More and more people consider themslves (like Robert E. Lee) Virginians first and foremost. By the time the "new" USA gets to Virginia it is likely that no-one will consider themselves American anymore.'''

I hope this has put your mind at ease on Virginia.

--Yankovic270 22:05, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

They gained their territory by years of relatively slow territorial expansion. They annexed the remnant state of Virginia led by Farwell and dealt with the city-states east of that nation's territory through diplomacy or force. The same thing applies to the states outside the two Virginias, though a major part of their current territory entered Virginia peacefully and without bloodshed.

Yankovic270 01:53, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Graduating "Spree"
I am not blind, the only articles graduated were ones that had people requesting the said graduation and most of those requests were from you sir. When I graduate articles I know damn well which ones should or should not be graduated. If I think a new article should be graduated I ask "Any objections to grad?" if no one else has. I am well aware that many of Ven's articles will be changed or marked as obsolete. It was you after all that kept singing my praises when I criticized those articles Ven made for nations in Afghanistan. GOPZACK 23:41, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

saguenay
regarding adopting saguenay's article in the DD1983's timeline, what did you have in mind for it ?--Marcpasquin 00:49, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

California
When articles are disputed we mark them as proposals. This is a major dispute! Please maintian a little bit of class and dignety and let the process procede unhindered by your bloody ego trip. You can't expect me to view every damn article that is proposed! Occasionally these things slip through the cracks. See, it was canonized like yours then it it was marked as a proposal and reworked, then ultimately it returned to canon. FXgentleman, Southwriter and I have done our best to reach a solution without it breaking down into an all out edit war. Were finding it hard to keep the peace when you undo my attempt to mark your article as a proposal while we review the situation, and launch these assaults upon the three of us without just provocation. I'm trying to make this process go as quick as I can but if you think that I will bow down to your new influx of arrogance your sir are mistaken.I would urge you to please let this process run its course and by all means share your thoughts, concerns and ideas but do so in a constructive manner.

Alos you accuse me of giving you "shit", you are the one who snuck this article in when no one was looking, ignored many people's concerns and now refuse to cooperate with this present dispute. Then you do your very best to destroy one of the best researched articles on this wiki. Fx unlike you has had the decency to workout the issues with his article and bring it up to the standards necessary for it to become canon.

I see you wrote on the talk page of your infamous article "I am done with this", well I can assure you sir that the rest of us are not done with this. We are going to pursue this until Fx has his just desserts. I hope you can tone down your ego and your attitude and work with us to make both articles part of Canon. --GOPZACK 06:42, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

The Dispute
This is getting a little tedious, Alex. I will put this here, and on Zack's page as well. This is in arbitration, you are not in charge of that arbitration, but only one of the parties of the dispute. If you do not go along, you are in danger of being banned from the whole wiki. It is not hard to settle this if you will work with others. FXgentlelman has stated that he will not communicate directly with you, so the best you can do is go through Zack, who has graciously agreed to mediate an equitable settlement. SouthWriter 03:14, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

So FX has laid out his arguments on my talk page. I eagerly await yours Arstar. --GOPZACK 21:08, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Conch Republic
Could we work together to write the Conch Republic, and make it a serious nation-state? You're a good user to work with and southern Florida seems to an area of expertise for you. You approached me with Macau, and I'm approaching you with the Conch Republic.

Yankovic270 02:09, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

State College
What do you mean by "use"? --GOPZACK 18:22, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah go for it! Don't forget to make mention of Oil City I had mentioned it in the State College article as being an area where survivors gathered. --GOPZACK 18:51, July 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * All that Canada business is fine. --GOPZACK 20:26, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Col-Ven
Yes I know, we have broke relations, because Chavez have Colombian guerillas in Venezuela and the stupid "army" entered to Colombia and shot at cars in a Colombian town, but I think there is no war because Chavez have been with the war thing since 2006. Also might i graduate Kalmykia. VENEZUELA 03:23, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Might I graduate Kalmykia? VENEZUELA 16:55, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Pennsylvania-Kentucky Relations
Well I certainly believe that the two nations can have friendly, strong relations. I should note here that Kentucky more or less deals in small arms and Panzerfaust type anti-tank weapons because they are easy and cheap to produce. I also would like to know where they got a million dollars to spend?

I'm deeply interested in the United Communities but if you can give me some more details I can tell you whether it would be right for Kentucky. --GOPZACK 01:58, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

I am also interested in the United Communities. The Dixie Alliance is supposed to be former US equivilent to NATO, and the Southern Free Trade Agreement is the equivilent of NAFTA. I would change it to the Eastern Alliance, but that would take a frustrating amount of effort.

Yankovic270 02:46, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you can find justifiable reason for 10, 000 000 in defense spending by all mean Kentucky can send you guys some goods. Kentucky actually is seeking a port of its own through Ohio as a part of the territory they claim so Kentucky can no longer be land locked and trade with other nations in & around the great Lakes Region more easily. What exactly is Pennsylvania interested in?
 * Finally I think the Dixie Alliance is beginning to out its usefulness as a UN or LoN type organization. As you noted Kentucky does have a strong and proud military but they are more interested in diplomacy and friendly relations with as many nations as possible where as Virginia is a highly militaristic society. The United Communities (While I hate the name) sounds like the kind of organization Kentucky would be interested in. (I understand your challenging parts of that article & I'd be happy to be the mediator of that dispute as soon as the SNU dispute is settled.) --GOPZACK 03:01, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was talking about Virginia, I know Kentucky doesn't trouble you.


 * Ok but how your going to get 10 million in OTL dollars to buy weapons? Also Kentucky doesn't want to be arming a nation to fight Canada. The Screwballs in Ohio & the contemptible Lawrence Raiders, fine I get that. Kentucky has got weapons that & they'll give em to PA in a heartbeat. --GOPZACK 04:25, July 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry but Kentucky only sells small arms. At best they may send some Jeeps for some steel in a trade deal of sorts. --GOPZACK 18:03, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Yes. --GOPZACK 18:38, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Money and Arms deals
I am not sure if the currency of a Pennsylvanian millionaire is going to be good internationally. What is backing his fortune. And if the funds come from "taxes and tarriffs" what backs that money. Money is actually just promisory notes agreeing to exchange something of value between trading partners. In OTL that principle is backed by the "full faith" of the governments exchanging the funds. In TTL, the head of Pennzoil may not have had any "profits" left once his conglomerate fell to representing a handful of oil wells in Pennsylvania. And the value of the companies assets would be in how much the oil could be used to sustain the new nation-state centered in Erie.

International monetary funds would be a iffy situation. I would think that even after two decades the currencies that had been created locally - most called "dollars" - would only be good if backed by property and goods. A farmer, needing clothing might be able to exchange some of his produce for that product. But he would most likely have a lot of produce left over when he got the goods he needed. That is when he would receive "money" from those who dealt in food as well as goods. He would then hold on to that "money" until he needed more goods. He might invest the money in equipment instead, and the equipment provider would use that money to get more inventory, or food at a later time, etc.

This works at an international level as well, but only if the trading partners have a surplus of goods or abundandant resourses or services with which to bargain. I think that perhaps the steel mills in Pennsylvania might just be such a resourse that would make the money of worth the international exchange of goods. And if not the steel mills, certainly the oil fields and natural gas, which most certainly provide more than enough for Pennsylvanias in-house use.

Kentucky, with its cache of American gold, has a big advantage on the international scene. It has yet to play the "gold card" and I am sure that when it does the contenders for a "right" to that gold will come from all over the world. There are Americans all over who still hold to the hope (or even the belief) that America is not dead after all. The Provisional United States, in its constitutional convention this month, is likely to drop the "provisional" from their name. Their claim as the USA is as good as Siberia's is as the USSR. On top of that, the nations of Hawaii and Alaska were a continuing part of the United States for several years in conjuction with the APA.

With this gold, though, Kentucky is not of itself "rich" - it must expend quite an amount of energy and manpower to protect this resource until such a time that it can equitably be destributed to its "rightful" owners -- whoever they might be. Instead, it is a liablility! Their arms, on the other hand, are an asset which may or may not be for sell for money backed by oil. A trade partnership for steel and oil must be set up first, and a system of transportation to get the products between nations. The money from Pennsylvania will essentially be a promise to exchange that money for oil, steel or some other goods in the future.

Economics is never simple. :-)

SouthWriter 04:47, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

The South
Haha.. no, I don't talk like that (I live right near DC, so it's pretty Northernized). But much of the Shanandoah and parts west do talk like that, and that's most of the area that the VR controls.

Nobody listens to country music that I know of, anywere. And I do have a few hick friends. they listen to rock, rap....basically what everybody else does.

I guess I should have clarified what I meant by "southern" culture. What I ment was the "hick culture" of Tennessee, NC...basically the Appallachian culture from north Alabama up into SW Pennsylvania. BoredMatt 17:48, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Georgia
Es verdad que me expulsaste de Georgia porque si es asi voy a eliminar yo q puso, lo que le pedi a Vladivostok q pusiera, y hare un articulo de Gerogia yo. VENEZUELA 21:40, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

I Kicked you out of the Dagestan article in fact you never did something so erase it from your userpage. VENEZUELA 17:43, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

It's not a copy becuase I add the flag, the coat of arms, culture, and ask Vladivostok to add Economy and Military so I have the right to use that and the history is different have you even read, but with your undo thing you delete the new history. VENEZUELA 17:56, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Let's do this I return to Georgia, my Georgia article is deleted and you can have Dagestan in your user page. VENEZUELA 18:57, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

ok! VENEZUELA 03:35, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Question
What was with that random challenge to the Republic of Lincoln and that other article? It was there, then a few moments later you deleted the section from the 1983: Doomsday talk page. --GOPZACK 01:23, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Rollback
No, rollback does not allow you to leave comments. You have to do it the old fashion way if you want to leave a comment. Mitro 16:44, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

TSPTF Responsibilities
If you are receiving this message, you are a member of the TSPTF. In an effort to keep this wiki in tip-top shape, I have made a list of responsibilities on the TSPTF page that I hope you all volunteer to do (at least three of them). If we work together we can make this place into a quality wiki. Mitro 22:17, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Help
''I noticed that someone (I assumed you) removed your request for help from my talk page, so I cut and pasted it here. If you'd rather discuss this later, through private messaging, that is fine as well. I restored it over at my page as well, though. [SouthWriter]''

Hey, South. There is something I want to talk to you about. It has nothing to do with the wiki, but after you once helped out McG with a problem of his I think that you could do the same for me. I just feel I need a "Type 2" opinion, meaning an opinion from someone who I do not know. It's a pretty major issue in my life at the moment, and I want to make sure that I can get a "neutral" answer from somebody. Before I tell you what it is, I want to make sure that you can help me out before I post my problem here for all the world to see.

Arstarpool


 * Sure, man. In fact, why don't you head over to facebook and message me. I am on the 1983DD facebook page, member name Henry Martin. That way you can message me and I can deal with you one on one.


 * I look forward to your questions. My apologies to McG for not thinking of it with him. :-/ SouthWriter 04:24, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry but the IP address that posted the response is not SouthWriter. Maybe it is you, South, but you might not be logged in. Arstarpool 05:03, August 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I thought I had fixed that before you got to it. You probably didn't leave the page before resoponding a half hour later. Any way, you're correct. It was me, though the IP address didn't look right. I doubt if anyone would take the trouble to give find out my real name to bug me with messages from Facebook. I wish you'd just gone to facebook like I suggested. Now we both have to wait a bit longer for an answer to your question. SouthWriter 13:26, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

I really don't have a problem with speaking here, it's just that I was afraid to post it here and then you don't respond and everyone else reads it. Anyways...If you didn't know already I have been in Costa Rica for two months. I am nearing the end of my trip now, but yet there has been some occurances that have nearly made me change my flight! Think of it as a "girl" issue. I have come here every year, I know a lot of people, yet this year I met this girl... Anyways, here is where the problem comes in. All my friends here, white Hispanics, do not approve of this Mestizo Niaraguan chick, as the Costa Ricans deeply hate Mestizos similar to the Blacks before in the USA. Nevertheless, I submited to my testosterone and pursued this girl, who does not attend high school! I have heard rumor after rumor about this person, I really do not care. Either way, I once again "gave into the testosterone". I am leaving soon but I may change my flight to leave a week later, and I will be "home alone" if I do. I was warned many times by some of this chick's "escapades", but yet I really did not care at all and decided to only do what I WANTED. Please give me your advice, South. Arstarpool 16:29, August 5, 2010


 * You have fairly well self-diagnosed your problem, Alex, and ancient wisdom - from many sources I'm sure though mine comes from the Bible, gives the best advice -- "Flee youthful lusts." In other words, run away from that situation as fast as you can. There is a reason why legal codes in all "civilized" nations forbid marriage until the late teens, or later. The hormones in both the young man and the young woman are years ahead of the mind, over-ruling the reason and logic that keeps you, on better days, from making foolish decisions.


 * I am sure scientists would tell us that this behavior is to assure that the race is continued in times of severe conditions in which each new baby improves the chances of survival. In fact, in the Bible the command to the first parents, and then to the children of Noah, was to have children. It makes sense. But in today's world, especially in one that could probably not care any less about divine commands OR the survival of the human race, this tendency to "mate" has become a prime source of entertainment. And more and more it is turning into a "death match" - with the risk of disease being part of the thrill of the "game." It is not moral, ethical, or in many cases even legal. It should therefore be avoided by all rational adults and all compliant minors.


 * Rumors being as they are, you are free to disregard the verity of them if you wish. But when it comes to affairs of the "heart" - or more than likely of the sensual desires of the body - a lack of knowledge can be disaster. Even if this girl were a virgin who just happened to be of mixed heritage, your attraction and affairs with her would not be a good thing for you in this situation. If you stay in Costa Rica, without the oversight of your parents, chances are against things being "better." Make that flight, leave your new friend to wait for your return next summer. Promise to stay in touch, and see where that leads. But by all means leave.


 * I would be remiss, though, if I did not at least point out the reason I showed interest in Kevin (aka Professor McG). He confesses faith in Jesus Christ as savior. That makes him my "brother" in the "family of God." This is a beautiful concept unfolded in the New Testament. There are glimpses of this concept throughout the Old Testament as well, of course, but only when Jesus comes into the picture does it all make sense.


 * Basically, you have obvious knowledge that you have a "problem." Your own body's chemicals are causing you to do things that you perceive are bad for you. On top of that, you admit that you like it that way, for you are doing what you "WANT TO DO." The Bible says that this can lead to death (Prov. 5:1-5; Prov. 12:12). It is the way of all men, in fact. It is evident from the earliest days when "reason" begins -- doing things against "better judgment" out of selfishness. Unchecked, such behavior in the very young would undoubtably lead to early death and the extinction of the race. And so, rules are made by those who "know better." Well, God certainly knows better than we do, so His rules are laid down to show us that we are indeed "not perfect."


 * This brings about a bad situation -- mankind likes to live "dangerously" and breaks the rules caring not what is better for them. This is called "SIN." This is an old word which basically means not being good enough. In sports, few athletes actually "score" while playing the game. It archery, and later in marksmanship, the goal of "hitting the bullseye" is quite allusive. In fact, it takes some skill to even hit the target!! But God is different from us in that he is perfect, and he wants those he takes into his family to be perfect as well. He wants us to win the game, scoring the points when we try. But we can't because we are "only human."


 * So God "makes the play" for each of us on his team. He did this by "joining the team" and giving his all. That in essense, is what Jesus Christ did. He won the "game" we call life by first dying on the cross. He defeated the enemy that holds sway over the "other team" -- that team is known collectively as "death." Sure we "die" in this world, but it is to a larger life that is quite glorious. It is the life to which Jesus arose that glorious Sunday morning almost two thousand years ago.


 * God is actively "recruiting" members for his "team." And when he "drafts" a new player, that player becomes a "member of the family." Each one chosen by God has all the rights of children, the same "rights" around the house as Jesus. Each member of the family is enabled, by virture of being adopted, to win the "game" in which he finds himself in the arena of the enemy. We win even without the "home court" advantage.


 * Kevin and I are members of God's family. That is why I felt comfortable enough to give him the attention I did. We are "on the bench" awaiting our turn in the game. I do not know which team you are on, Alex, but it seems that you are "losing" in the game you are playing right now. You need to consider the options.


 * Contact me at my facebook account and we can "talk" more. Until then, Grace and Peace in God.

SouthWriter 19:46, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

TSPTF
Arstarpool, if you read the rules and requirements to become a Lt. you should notice that you need to be an active contributor for six months. Since you joined in March 6 you have only been here for 5 months, so you are going to have to wait at least one more month before you think about adminship. Also don't forget that someone must nominate you, you cannot nominate yourself.

As for whether I think you are eligible, well the whole point of the new procedure was to take new membership in the TSPTF out of the Brass' hands and put it into the community. If the community feels you should be an admin, than I will respect their decision and work with you to the best of my ability. If you truly want my opinion, however, I feel you should wait before trying to become an admin. I don't say this to be mean or rude, I am only trying to be honest.

It certainly seems that you care about 1983: Doomsday. You can definetly be considered an active editor who has put a lot of time into improving the TL. While I might have some issues with your articles, I generally have found them to be acceptable and am perfectly willing to have them remain a part of canon.

That being said, during my break I received several messages from 1983: Doomsday complaining about your behavior and asking me to intervene. Due to responsibilities I had in my real life I was unable to do so. When one user, however, told me he was leaving the TL and listed you as one of the reasons, I became very concerned, but due to how close I was to taking the bar I could still not intervene. I don't doubt Arstarpool that you did what you thought was right when acting as "caretaker" of the TL, but you certainly appeared to have stepped on a lot of toes while doing it. Since 1983: Doomsday is a community project it requires editors to be diplomatic and civil when working with others, which is something I feel you lacked during your time as caretaker.

During the recent TSPTF election you are correct that I did not vote for you. It was probably rude of me not to state my objections openly, but I had made a promise to myself to stay away as much as I could from here so I could concentrate on the bar. Nevertheless, my objections had nothing to do with any personal malice against you. I was thinking only of the best interests of the wiki. Not only did I base my decision on my own interactions with you, but also on how you interacted with others. The fact that Zack had to warn you about respecting others (see above on your talk page) after I left, was also taken into consideration. Also, as you stated yourself, I was not the only one who felt you were not ready at the time to assume more responsiibilities.

I admit that since I returned I have not been impressed with your behavior. You also seem to have somewhat of a bad reputation around here, if the comments from my return blog post are any indication. Also your recent outburst in regards to some of my criticism of your articles, where you threatened to leave unless one of your proposals is not graduated, does not fill me with confidence in your abilities to be an admin.

You say your bad attitude will improve if getting a seat of power. First, as I said before, no member of TSPTF is more powerful than any editor on this wiki. We are all equal, the TSPTF members just volunteered to do more boring work. I think you should learn to understand that before trying to get yourself nominated. Second, in my experience you do not reward a bad attitude.

Despite what I said above, I still think you have a chance if you are willing to improve your behavior on this wiki. In many ways you remind me of Yank when he first came here. He too was attracted to 1983: Doomsday and at first we did not get along. If you check the archives of a few pages you will even notice some posts where I refused to even talk to him. And yet we did start talking again and learned to work together. Arstarpool, you have a month before you are truly eligible for a chance at a promotion in the TSPTF. During that time if I see improvement in your attitude and your interactions with other editors, I may be willing to throw my support behind you. Until than I will treat you as I have treated everyone else. Mitro 20:11, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Unified FLorida
Your awfully busy for a fellow leaving in a few days. I'll see how your article shapes up but for now I'm with holding judgement. GOPZACK 20:45, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

An Important Notice
I suggest you check out the the Main Page's talk page [] sooner rather then later. --GOPZACK 02:01, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Its not something that just happened or that recently tipped the glass. Its an accumulation of things since you first joined and especially since you became a Constable. In the beginning I had to warn you about respecting other users, that clearly has not stuck. You have been picking fights and handling what should be minor disputes in a god awful manner.

In your rather trite and angry response there you made stuff up (That is was all planed by me without consulting anyone else) you happily flaunt your fights with FX, Vene, Sunkist all three of which, even if you had the right of way, you never the less handled badly to say the least. You've been in edit wars with Yanks as of late along with others in the past,

Then you have arrogance to claim I am the one lying. Take a look back at what you've wrote. The Erie, Pa situation is wonderful example of you trying to bend the rules or flat out ignoring them for personal gain. Hell I thin you were suppose to leave this Wiki yesterday because you thought Mitro was making plans to demolish all of your articles.

Believe me I'm not the only one that thinks you should step down or be removed as Constable, you are unfit for office. I'm saddened it has come to this. --GOPZACK 03:01, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

I'm from Medellìn. Why? Fedelede 21:38, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

1983: Doomsday
I'm thinking about returning to 83:DD. What do you think? Fedelede 01:02, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I've decided that I want to return to 1983:DD, but I'm not sure where should I contribute. I mean, I think there are a bit too much states upon the world and no other idea comes into my mind right now.

Vote
Oh come on, don't be so melodramatic! I decided to take back my vote because frankly, I have decided to stay out of this drama, I really don't think you should lose your position though, but I really don't care for the poll. I may write to Mitro about my dismay and annoyance about all this though, and how absolutely childish it is. I wish you luck, but for know I wish to be a neutral party. Kind of a personal protest.--Smallpox 05:17, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Results of the vote
The vote is now closed, any further votes will not be recognized. The result of the vote was 62.5% of the vote in favor of removing you as Constable. Since the 2/3rd vote necessary for removal was not met, you will not be removed as Constable.

I realize that this was not an enjoyable experience for you and believe me when I say I took no pleasure from it myself. Myself and others in the TSPTF felt it was necessary to clear the air in regards to the many complaints we have received about you. Nevertheless since the supporters of your removal failed to meet the 2/3rd requirement you will remain as a Constable. You have a clean slate now and whether this vote happens again depends entirely upon you.

I like to address, however, the outcome to the vote in regards to a message you sent me several days ago asking whether you could one day be a Lt. Though you retained your position, a majority of voters felt that you should have been removed from it. I would really take that to heart if I were you. A majority of editors felt that there were valid reasons to remove you even if you disagreed. These same editors are likely to vote against you again if you decide to be an administrator. If you are really are serious in being an administrator, I would do something to address their concerns. Mitro 19:35, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

1983's Greece
Sorry, but I never said you could take Greece; I'm still looking for a suitable candidate. If I don't find one in a month I'll just slowly start writing articles myself with significant help from those who'd like to offer it. Mr.Xeight 05:23, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

US Atlantic Remnant
I noticed your comments on the talk page you can certainly use the US Virgin Islands so long as they are a member in some way shape or form of the East Caribbean.

For Spain, yeah I don't quite know how that got there. I'll remove it. For Florida & New Rome I'm sure we'll do fine. Also I understand that you don't wish to "work" with me on future projects and frankly I feel the same way. But with that said, we have articles that are all interconnected so we will have to work together whether we like it or not. We will have to coexist, so hopefully we can do that. All the best. --GOPZACK 03:10, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

I really hate these conversations between talk pages! Have I mentioned that before? :-)

Any way, I am all for your having a unique article in the area, Alex, but try to make it work as a plausible part of the time line as a whole. The East Caribbean Federation is not an Alliance, but rather a unified nation. Therefor, if the Virgin Islands are to be under the authority of the Remnant forces, it will be a conflict of interest in the islands. The ECF is canon, so you have to walk gently here. Scale back on the demands ("observer seat in LoN" and "own army") and make this an organization of the American diaspora (also an established article - tho a stub). SouthWriter 03:55, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

State College & PA
I always envisioned some type of unification. If it does indeed take place, the government would be based in State College still because they are the "legitimate" successors to the state of PA. Your map is plausible but not for a while. I know you probably already know that but its good to clarify or someone will pounce on us and say were moving to fast! ;) --GOPZACK 03:36, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Oh there is also some good folks in Reading PA still alive but none has written about them yet. I think Brian may have claimed jurisdiction over that but if not we ought to tackle that and get an overall narrative for the state going. --GOPZACK 03:39, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

So long as the world don't end in 2012 that should work fine. But I'd hold off on making an article about it, for now anyway. --GOPZACK 03:52, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Before we dig ourselves too deep into the Reading article talk to Brian and get his blessing he may have some ideas for the area.


 * Yes Sir I am traveling over "flyover country" right now, a rather insulting term I think seeing as the good people in the middle of America are only worth flying over according to that old Americanism. --GOPZACK 04:02, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Stepping in for a minute. I haven't participated in any of the Pennsylvania-based proposals since writing up Pennsylvania, but I do keep an eye on what's going on (as I do the rest of the North American articles in the timeline). As long as any proposal makes sense within the 1983:Doomsday timeline and premise, said proposal should be considered (and, if applicable, graduated into canon). If you can make Reading work, I'm fine with that. BrianD 04:33, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Italy
Yeah, I'll work on it. Not a problem.

Yes, its a picture I found on google once of a little "ganon" plush. Use it as an avatar everywhere, really.

Lordganon 22:29, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

I guess I'll adopt Malta and flesh it out, if thats all right.

Lordganon 10:17, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

No worries.

How's the Italy article look now, btw?

Lordganon 01:01, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Long Island in 83DD
Hello there. I was told by BrianD that you are now the adopter of the Outer Lands over on 83DD. I wanted to know if I could help contribute on behalf of Long Island. I have been wanting to get into this timeline, but haven't been able to find or think of anything worth working on. But being a Long Islander, I would love to help out on a place that I know quite well. I also love the idea of Long Island being part of a loose federation. --NuclearVacuum 16:09, August 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well thank you very much. As long as you don't mind. I would also like to help out with all of the Outer Lands if possible. Maybe design a flag and help cleanup the article. --NuclearVacuum 00:36, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

A question about borders
I'm attempting to write an article for a nation in the 1983: Doomsday based in the OTL county of Lancashire (see Duchy of Lancaster for more information). Since it happens to be fairly close to the CA's territory, I thought I'd best enquire as to where exactly its borders are since I really don't want to be claiming land that belongs to someone else.Tessitore 17:36, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Popham
I don't know, the county does contain the Portland metro area, which was destroyed by a nuclear missile. Mitro 23:33, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Apology Accepted
No sweat. I can forgive you for the arguments. Nobody's perfect. I know that for a fact, as I am reminded of that pretty much every day of my life. I in turn, offer my apology for calling you an asshole. I was simply frustrated that the person I defended was stabbing me in the back repeatedly. We both said things we regret, we both apologized, so let's get back to working together. I am all for adding Ithaca to the United Communities. We could work something out with the connection, but it's getting late (It's about 11:30 here).

Yankovic270 04:21, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Sure I want to work on Binghamton with you. When I was deciding on which city-state I wanted to work on I thought about working on Binghamton, but I decided I like the name "Ithaca" better. The potato chips idea is a great one. I think that it's ironic, because until chip production can reach certain levels the potato chip we take for granted is a luxury in the world of Doomsday. Speaking about Lays chips, they remind me about something I remember about my grand-uncle. When me and my brother and sister were younger we would visit my grand-uncle, and he would have a stash of those Lays classic chips which he would give to us. We would always feel guilty about taking them, but he only bought those chips to give to us. Anyway, that grand-uncle is dead. Since last December. Now I found out that even mentioning lays chips triggers memories that cause me to cry like a baby.

Yankovic270 15:08, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

No, I want to work on Binghamton. But it'd probabbly be a good idea that you write the chips part. We can work on Westfield after Binghamton.

Yankovic270 02:21, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Deal.

Yankovic270 02:53, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Holy Mountain
We've left it for Xeight, due to its Orthodox nature. I'd rather you didn't, to be honest.

Lordganon 04:58, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for reparaing typo
Thanks for reparaing typo of page name :P Mine bad. Regards JorgeGG 13:12, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Arkansas
Hey I saw your article on Arkansas. I would like to help you with it seeing as I am the author and caretaker of. --GOPZACK 00:44, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Reply
It's pretty obvious who you are talking about, but I am not going to intervene. So far this seems to be a private dispute between you and South, and I would rather it stay that way. If more people get dragged into it or it begins to affect the work being done on articles, than I will intervene. Mitro 14:27, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Answers
1) Probably not. Most of coastal and Central Maine is going to be either unlivable or under the control of warlords. Furthermore the Northern Townships and Aroostook control most of the civilized area. But there might be some, you are just going to have to research it.

2) It is simple really. For example, if you want to archive a talk page just create a new page titled "Talk:Page X/Archive 1". Than create the page like you would any other article and add the content you wish to archive.

3) Same thing as above really. If you want a Sandbox, create this page: User:Arstarpool/Sandbox. If you want an ideas page, create this page: User:Arstarpool/Ideas. There you go, you can edit both articles to your heart's content.

4) Technically you are right and I explained that to South and he has apoligized. That being said, South brought up a good point that the way I wrote the page makes it sound confusing. I am going to be rewriting it eventually and asking all members of the TSPTF to comment on it. That being said, your major duty is to look out for vandals or trolls, though you can do other things as long as it does not take away from your major duty. Mitro 23:21, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Question Concerning NV State Article
I noted you created the framework for an article about the state of NV. Do you have any problems I take it and make it my own since I have the knowledge about the state? Thanks.--Fxgentleman 02:12, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Celtic Blockade
Wouldn't the Celts be too busy elsewhere to commit these forces? Remember, we haven't decided how the Sicily War plays out yet.

Lordganon 10:05, September 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * What in the world, Alex? Where in the world did the charge of "weapons of mass destruction" come from? Is Prime Minister Price mentally unstable? Nothing in the article on East Britain indicates any capacity for any kind of "super weapon" - be it chemical or biological - but a weak "army" and even weaker "navy" using gun powder and a little dynamite. You really need something logical to base such drastic moves in these articles, you know. --SouthWriter 19:48, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

First Coast
Daytona has no reason to be attacked, the USSR would be more focused on attacking Jacksonville,Mami,Tampa, Merritt Island and other major bases. There is no real reason to attack it, but of course Toledo,Fort Knox,Wellington,Canberra, Charleston all get saved.--Sunkist- 12:30, September 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * The Good News is - St. Augustine and Daytona Beach would indeed have survived. The bad news is - First Coast would be a tiny, not thriving, Florida_Survivor_States.pngvor state. Vacation condos and hotels would become home to thousands of refugees, some very sick. The east coast of Florida was hit really hard, with only the "First Coast" surviving. The map to the right shows the three survivor states of Florida. Of the three, North Florida would have probably recieved any of the surviving state government (From Tallahasse to Gainesville). As you can see, the panhandle area would be available for a survivor state of its own (or expansion of North Florida as Perry originally wanted).


 * As you can see, though, the First Coast would not be large enough to be the leader in bringhing about a united Florida. If anything, the First Coast might have held together as an association of cities until discovered and annexed by North Florida in advance of the reunion with South Florida. Though I have advocated the capital being in Gainsville (established and home to the University), I can see an advantage to moving to St. Augustine. The First Coast is the only viable presense on the Atlantic coast, and as such presents an easier access to the rest of the East coast nations and the rest of the world.


 * South Florida, though reclaiming parts of the Atlantic coast, does not have a good port city. Datona would be an excellent port. All in all, the addition of the First Coast will make the coming united Florida Republic a strong contender in the Caribbean community. SouthWriter 16:03, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Deleting portions of talk pages/Celtic Alliance & East Britain
First off, if you're going to take the East Britain/Celtic Alliance conversation off the main talk page, archive it. Don't delete it wholesale as you just did. That's not as I understand the practice around here...at least it hasn't been.

Secondly, Arstar, your actions regarding your 'joke' were very unprofessional. It appears as if you're treating this timeline and the wiki like it was some sort of game. This ain't life and death, but there are people here who take this seriously enough to try to do good work and not pull some ridiculous joke. If you really do care about 1983:DD, you won't pull stunts like this. BrianD 03:38, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with BrianD. Just don't do somthing like this again, please?--Sunkist- 03:45, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

I archived it as I recall! It should be under the miscallenous discussion archive. Arstarpool 03:57, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

I noticed that after the fact, and apologize for my mistake. What led me to believe you hadn't was you not referencing it in the summary field; that is something that other editors have done when archiving sections. The remainder of my comments still stand. BrianD 15:15, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Brass
I just left messages on the talk page for the four 'brass' members regarding your behavior. I don't want to kick you out, I do want you to stop the nonsense, respect everyone else and learn to work well with others here. You have great potential but given my experience with you and how I've seen you work with others, I really don't want to work with you at all right now. I do not think that is a good thing, and I regret feeling that way, but I don't know what else to do. Arstar, this is a good timeline and in some ways I see it going down the drain and it kills me. Maybe that's why I'm being so harsh with you...I do care about the TL, and I think you do too. I don't want to have an adversarial relationship with you or anyone else but I must stand up for what I believe here, however it ultimately turns out. --BrianD 04:02, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Important
Arstar I am getting complaints from some active contributors regarding your recent actions. Chiefly from Brian who has expressed concern above. Here's what he told me on ym talk page in full if you have not seen it, "This user has constable rights but has acted in a number of ways since early summer that not only appear to serve his own purposes but make him difficult to work with at best. Very recently he has created a number of gateway articles for 1983:DD that should be open for all editors to use, but writes them as if he is setting editorial policy for the entire timeline. One example is Alabama, in which he huffs that "Brian and South(Writer) took it over pretty much on their own initiative...so I renounce having anything to do with it" The latest example is having the Celtic Alliance condemn a British survivor nation for heinous crimes, and writing an item on the wcrb news page...then pulling the item, and the section of the main talk page discussing the matter after leaving a message saying it was a joke. I am tired of this activity. This is extremely unprofessional and, if it remains unchecked, could cause significant problems later on, including good, quality editors leaving who don't want to deal with the nonsense.

Don't put news items on the talk page then retract them calling them "jokes". That's what spammers do, the very people you are suppose to be watching for. I need not remind you what happens to them. Don't be so adversarial with people when the criticize your work, your made great strides but you can improve. Do not set new editorial guidelines for the 1983: Doomsday timeline or for any other community timelines. Regards, --GOPZACK 04:11, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

I also don't like that you've collected the caretaker title for every article you can get your hands on despite not making any edits or contributions to those articles and acting like they're yours and you can do whatever you want no matter what anyone says.Oerwinde 08:35, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Arstar, let me say that I agree with what has been said above, even the part about you improving since the trial. Your apology to Fx I felt was sincere and mature. However, as far as I can tell, the entire 1983DD community appears upset by your most recent actions. If I may be so bold, I would like to suggest a few things you should do in an effort to improve your relations with your fellow editors:
 * No more jokes on articles. This can easily be classified as the work of trolls or vandals, and it is not funny. If you must joke, do so on the talk pages.
 * If people leave a message or make an edit that angers you, avoid responding immediately. Take a break, collect your thoughts and then write a response. If you feel someone is attacking you for no reason, contact me, don't fire back at them.
 * You have created a lot of proposals recently. I would not be surprised if more than a quarter of the current proposals are your creations. Take this opportunity to expand some of your articles and graduate them before creating new articles or rushing other people's articles through graduation.
 * If someone puts your article up for review, don't respond by immediately removing the banner from your work. Respond to the person's objections and wait for them or a nuetral third party to do it.
 * Finally, I think you should renounce your role as caretaker for some of the articles you have adopted, especially the ones where you have done little to no work on updating them. Many feel that you have taken on this role for to many articles that are not your creations, and personally I agree. Why do I ask you to do this? First, it would show your fellow editors that you are not trying to control the TL. Second, there is only so much one editor can do and even I doubt you can give your complete attention to all of the articles you have created and adopted.

Remember, these are only suggestions, not orders. In the end it is your decision where to go with these recent set of complaints I have received about you. I hope though that you make some effort to repair your reputation at the 1983DD community. Mitro 15:03, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks buddy
I read the message on your talk page and its ok --Owen1983 12:53, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Contact between the Celtic Alliance and Lancaster
Given that they're quite close to each other, although there is a fairly wide region of radioactivity between Liverpool and Lancaster's southern border, it seems likely that they'd meet sooner rather then later. What would be a good year? I was thinking of sometime in the late '90s.Tessitore 23:02, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I've adding a section on contact being made on the Lancaster article, please let me know what you think.Tessitore 16:34, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Outer Lands


Thank you so much. I have already done some cleanups and some corrections. I also designed a flag, but because wikia is having a temporary glitch with its images, you can only see the old version, not the new version I uploaded. --NuclearVacuum 01:58, September 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * [Its the Caretaker's order, mmkay :))] I am not pestering you with working here, am I? --NuclearVacuum 13:24, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * "Caretaker's order"? Arstar, what does that mean? Mitro 14:47, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * The "mmkay?" was seeking permission, I think. Actually the caretaker role has been flopping around on this one. Nuke is working on the assumption that the canon article is sound until otherwise altered. It may have been unwise to put in the political divisions with capitals in the midst of the Plymouth debate, but Nuke was within his rights. Barnstable was considered the capital of the county "now" known as Cape Cod and nothing in canon has changed that. A caretaker cannot change canon anymore than a historian can change history. SouthWriter 15:05, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * So... I am pestering. I didn't realize that there was a debate going on in the region. I don't want to be giving out wrong information or getting on people's nerves. Maybe I should leave this to Arstar to deal with on his own, just to be on the safe side. --NuclearVacuum 15:18, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, that makes me feel better. I though you were annoyed at me. But either way, I am not going to be moving my focus towards Long Island. I have some interesting ideas in mind, but one step at a time. --NuclearVacuum 23:57, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Pennsylvania
How you described the split (North Penn/west-north, State College/central, Reading/east) would be how I'd divide the state between the three. At this point there may be some salvageable material from the nuked cities as well. --BrianD 04:49, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Connecticut
I saw the article and wrote a reply on the talk page. BrianD 05:01, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Plymouth
I saw it earlier tonight and I want to take a closer look at it and the two articles tomorrow before I comment further. That, and it's a little late to take the time to properly review all of it.BrianD 05:12, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Both look fine if it's decided to keep them separate entities. The main question is what are they now politically in relation to one another? If they are one entity, when did the merger happen? Those questions need to be resolved. We also need to keep in mind Nuclear Vacuum's proposals, and however Jnjaycpa answers the questions I asked of him on the Republic of Yale talk page. Because if Nuc can make a case for a survivor state on Long Island, and jay the same for New Haven, then that changes the dynamics of Plymouth, Outer Lands and even Vermont significantly. BrianD 19:04, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Owen1983
Hey, Arstar, do you know what did Owen1983 do? He nominated somebody, said that he didn't want any favour, and then on Louissianan's page he asks to become a member of the TSPTF. Incredible, isn't it? Fedelede 23:46, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Somehow, I'm not surprised to see him do that. And this guy really is a member of the admin on the alien species wiki, though it is beyond me how he did that.

Wish he'd go away, myself. These Manchester attempts are getting old, to be frank.

Lordganon 03:30, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Owen is probably the most annoying editor on this wiki, but he has yet to do anything that deserves an immediate ban. Nominating Smoggy as a Constable, asking Louis to be on the TSPTF and his bad spelling are not enough to get banned. Any editor here can do the same thing and still be considered a respected contributor.


 * Don't worry, I have already warned him about removing banners and if does that again he will be blocked immediately. Also if he does anything else that is remotely ban worthy, he will get banned. He has already been banned 3 times so it probably won't be long until he is banned again. In fact that works against him because it means a longer ban this time. Keep me posted in case you see anything that I miss. Mitro 04:01, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I always assumed either english wasn't Owen's first language, or that he's an 8 year old. Either way the way he keeps attempting to stick a survivor state in Manchester and North Bend despite everyone shooting it down every time he tries is bordering on spam now.Oerwinde 07:06, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah - and I have to doubt he's from Britain like he claims, unless he's actually like 8. Lordganon 07:45, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * In all fairness to Owen, he was never responsible for the North Bend articles. That was Ocelot. Mitro 11:56, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * My bad, Ocelot is much worse.Oerwinde 16:39, September 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just in response to what you said Arstar, I'll take Mitros approach, if he does anything ban worthy I'll get on it right away. --GOPZACK 15:46, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Isn't there any way we can set up a three strikes and you're out rule? but with maybe five strikes not three? so if you get blocked five times you banned? or maybe successivly longer bans, maybe start out at a week block, after four seperate week blocks you get a whole month block and if you still dont get it after a whole month block you get banned?--Smoggy80 16:27, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

[Deleted - see talk:Fegaxel. SouthWriter 19:57, September 13, 2010 (UTC)]

Fegaxeyl 19:21, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Re Spain
I was trying to remove the 1983:Doomsday template but I think i rolled back by accident but I thought I undid that & just removed the category. --GOPZACK 15:46, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Adoption of Bermud
Hey, sorry for not getting back to you very quickly. It's fine for you to adopt Bermuda, though if I have any thoughts for it I hope you'd be okay with me at least putting them by you for ideas? --Gamb1993 22:11, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

North Carolina
you are assuming Just becuse I am from Manchester I am Stupid does it matter to you that i have been interested in Geography since i was 8 years old it may surprise you that i now were North Carolina is --Owen1983 00:10, September 13, 2010 (UTC)  I

Re: Costa Rica
Your uncle is Abel Pacheco? I find that unbelievably cool. I spent two weeks in Costa Rica a couple of summers ago. It was a bus tour with a bunch of couples old enough to be our parents, so maybe it wasn't the best way to see the "real" country, but believe me, ¡me enamoré de su país! And yes, between the Costa Rica and Panama pages, I did an awful lot of research. I'll try to address your concerns. ¿Contesté suficientemente sus preguntas? Benkarnell 03:21, September 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Firstly, stylistically I wanted a pessimistic beginning followed by an optimistic ending. This is a dystopic timeline, so I wanted CR to go through a very difficult time, but I wanted it to come out bruised but undefeated, doing what it does best: forging consensus, neutrality, and goodwill.
 * More specifically: the police force is tough (I remember!) but keep in mind CR had to face essentially three separate invasions: Contras, Sandinistas, and Panamanian refugees/drug lords. And still more Nicaraguan refugees, though they probably got lost in the shuffle.
 * The economy: besides the civil war, I'd argue that losing the US as a trading partner would be much more damaging than you say. First, it was 1983, and the economies of South America were not as big as they are in 2010, and the US's share of CR trade was bigger. Second, it would take time for CR to realign its trade to become more South America-focused.  It couldn't be done in an instant.  And in an ideal world CR would certainly have begun to move in that direction - but then came the war, messing everything up.  Third, after the nuclear attacks most South American nations hunkered down and worried about their own for a period.  Even if some didn't, it was certainly a time for caution, not time to go seeking new business opportunities abroad.
 * Finally, Limon: This is actually a part of the story that "wrote itself" and surprised me. I certainly hadn't set out to create a Limonese separatist movement when I started.  But it was a product of the unusual circumstances of the civil war and its aftermath.  For a time, Limon was CR's provisional capital.  The Limonese were at the center of power.  Then... they became marginalized again.  Wright and his party took advantage of the resentment many of them felt when he staged his coup.  But the Limonese Socialist Party was never as broad-based as it presented itself; it never represented "all" of the ethnic Limonese.  And the separatist movement formally lasted only from 1997-2004, when they were defeated militarily.  They accepted "autonomous region" status in 2005, which basically means they have a "president" instead of a governor.  Not much else.  There's still tension and civil unrest in Limon, but the separatists lost and everyone knows it.  The current Limonese leader, Patterson, is a moderate who does not support full independence.


 * Hm. I still stand by what's there for Limon.  I tried to explain, it's not like the ethnic group just decided to have a rebellion one day.  It was a very specific group of people moved to extremism after a very specific and unusual set of circumstances.
 * As for the Central Valley, that is interesting. I could change the part at the very beginning where the Sandinistas invaded the Central Valley in 1985 (but left it after the cease-fire in 1987).  In 1989, however, I'd think that guerrilla groups could still get in there little by little, which is what the maps show.  And that could be when the government begins to relocate to Limon - the Valle Central was getting dangerous, but Limon was still very peaceful.  (To repeat my point, the whole "sepratist" thing started years later and involved much more than 'our skin and language are different'.)
 * Then when the Sandinistas invade again in 1989-90, they do so with the help of a sizeable Costa Rican contingent - maybe even a faction of the police who believe the Sandinistas will do a better job than Calderon. Or is that unrealistic?  I'm trying to maintain a mood of overall chaos during these years: probably a lot of people had trouble figuring out who was on what side.  Benkarnell 04:42, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Future histories
The problem with all of the other responsibilities is that they are connected to a page or category that automatically updates. I don't think there is anything we could write that would do the same for future histories. The new page responsibility pretty much does the same thing since admins should be patrolling the new pages looking for future histories. Mitro 01:49, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Ural Territory
In my mind, the Ural Territory is as big as the map on the main Socialist Siberia page. Russia in OTL also can't really say that it "controls" Siberia in the same sense that France controls its territory for example, seeing as the area is vast and places are few and far between. In the TL however, there is a slightly larger human presence in the area, although negligibly more. What I want to say is that these areas are not as heavily monitored inside the territory, as infrastructure, towns and industries are being rebuilt in the area. The border, however, is monitored heavily by the government, thus it is the gateway that it is described to be in the article. Finally, the article also states that it will become part of the USSR (specifically the RSFSR), sometime in early 2011. My long term plans also had another Territory spring to life, the Northwestern Territory, which would take the rest of the Arctic shore and annex Soviet Karelia, as well as lawless parts of the Kola peninsula.--Vladivostok 07:45, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

SAC
Hola Arstarpool, pero quiero que sepas q Katholico, Fedelede y yo planeamos en adoptarlo, si quieres revisa el talk page de esos usuarios. VENEZUELA 22:03, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I did not read your message, of course you can. VENEZUELA 22:04, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

SAC es de ustedes, hagan lo q kieran, igual los estare viendo para divertirme--Fero 05:30, September 22, 2010 (UTC)