Talk:Asia (1983: Doomsday)

Proposition for the Condition of Asia


East Asia


 * China has reentered the Warlord era, though it has centralized into several major states since its fall in 1983. Republic of China, the only democratically elected government among the Chinese states, is largely recognized as the PRC's successor. East Turkestan, Tibet, and the Socialist Republic of Maio are fighting for independence, while Manchuria is fighting with the Soviet Socialist Republic of Siberia for control of Manchuria. Mongolia has also moved in a taken parts of Inner Mongolia. A remnant of the South Korean government still exists on the island of Jeju-do, while the Ryuku Islands follow a path of independence as a result from being cut-off from Japan.

Middle East


 * Probably the most confusing situation. Israel somewhat expanded into the Sinai, but largely remained in its current territory. Iraq and Iran largely fell apart, Iran from the loss of central cities to Soviet Nuclear weapons, Iraq to the loss of the international oil market. Kurdistan, Assyria, the Socialist Republic of Iraq, and the Islamic Republic of Iraq would be formed in the aftermath. Syria would maintain itself, moving into Lebanon, the Greek Christians taking the remnant and becoming members of the Greek Confederation. The Caliphate of Mecca would be formed along the Red Sea coast, while Palestinian refugees would from the states of Palestine on the East Bank of the Jordan, which would continue to fund terrorism in Israel proper. The League of Nations would also intervene in the area, occupying the location of the former Saudi oil refineries, in order to build up reserves. Baluchistan also has declared independence, and is waging an insurgency campaign against Pakistan.
 * Iran defeated by soviet weapons? why not israeli?Tristanbreiker 17:14, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Caucasus


 * There really is no explanation needed here. Most ethnic groups were able to earn their independence following the collapse of the central authority from Moscow. The only problem however was that constant warfare began throughout the region as a result. The only area of difficulty is determining the ethnic layout following the nuclear destruction of cities within the region.

Central Asia


 * Again, same problem. Though this is largely the ethnic layout, there is difficulty to determine the effects of the nuclear war upon distribution of the various groups. On a side-note, Tajikistan is split in two by Hazara, while the remainder of land in Afghanistan has since been occupied by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Other Areas of Note

- Iran - Was not sure what the aftermath government would look like with the loss of central authority, though it could be assumed the situation would devolve into something like China.

- Burma - Considering how many independence movements there are, there could be as many as 100 different countries making up the area.

- Turkey - Was not sure how large Turkey would be, due to the loss of many major cities. Likely would include Anatolia, but just wasn't able to draw a decent, in my mind, realistic border.

- Central China - Again, not sure what would be there. Probably two additional warlord states, but I leave that up to you guys.

- Indochina - Situation could very much become like that of China, especially if Hanoi and Saigon are hit by nuclear weapons. Vietnamese troops were stationed in both Laos and Cambodia, so if the situation did devolve, they would cease to exist as independent states.

Tell me what you think. Lahbas 21:46, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

All right to respond to some of your ideas.


 * East Asia. I like what you have going here a lot. Only thing is that Mongolia would be part of Siberia, though Outer Mongolia might now be part of it.
 * Middle East. Not bad ideas, but I don’t know if I agree with the idea of it being nuked (see what I rote in the M.E section below).
 * Caucasus. I think that is right on the money, nothing to argue with.
 * Central Asia. Can you stay away from here for a little while? I have recently been thinking about re doing the Siberia article to include some of these areas. Other wise I have no problems.
 * Indochina. Even in the most pessimistic situation I can’t see the countries here being nuked by anyone, though fallout and refugees from China however would pose a serious problem. Perhaps South Vietnam becomes independent again because of this.--ShutUpNavi 23:45, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

The Cambodians could rebuild and resettle the old Khemer capitol of Angkor. --Yankovic270 01:35, September 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * We've nixed "rebuilding the ruins" in other areas before, since there's no real reason for it to happen - other than tickling the fancies of people who enjoy thinking about history ;-). In general I like your scheme, since it gives us a place from which we can work.  The problem, of course, with creating dozns of countries is that it could potentially limit somebody else with a great idea.  Maybe create an Asia page based on your ideas, and label it as tentative until people want to get involved.  Generally I think your map fits the TL - it avoids illogical superpowers, but doesn't pretend that the entire continent is empty.  Benkarnell 21:58, October 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * So would anyone object to putting the map and a version of Lahbas' text onto a page on ? Benkarnell 23:44, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * I have no objections to a seperate page for discussion, seeing as it in itself will likely become a major focal point once interest in it rises. Also, I do not wish to push against creativity of other editors. I merely based the map of of ethnic groups uniting into commong nations, while also trying to remain within what is already considered canaon, in the case of Assyria and Kurdistan. A major point I like to make as to the absence of Iran from my map. Though I have not found any evidence of the use of nuclear weapons against the Iranians, I would not hold it against the Soviets to use them, considering the tactics and condition of the Islamic Republic even in the early years of the Iran-Iraq War. Even if they refuse to drop a nuclear weapon, or weapons, upon key sites within the area, I find it likely that they would use convential bombing and tactical nuclear weapons against the Iranians in the time before the assault that will never come. As a result, both Iran and Iraq collapse fromm internal strife. A proposition currently, but I doubt that the current government would be able to maintain power for long even if it did manage to survive. Lahbas 05:34, October 12, 2009 (UTC)