Talk:Reliquiae Reliquiarum

I think big nations came out of the industrial revolution and the nationalism that resulted from the massive migration to cites and development of industrial poletraians combined with the rise of educated middle class proffesinals in Europe.

Then there is imperalism the story of tiny nations like Portugal eating huge swaths of the earth,

So somehow you need to stop one or the other or both,

hmmm..

Stop the nationalism....

For this idea you need nastly infighting in Europe- remscient of fedualism to prevent this from ever happening. This almost seems like stoping modernity itself somehow preventing the great nations of Europe from coming alive.

You can literally screw Europe over that is one way to do it- plauge, nomadic invasion, religous infighting rinse wash and repeat. But there is a likely hood nation states might turn up somewheres else in the chaos.

The other way I think is to make Europe more like a contient of merchants in the late middle ages... make centralization difficult, but geography plays a role here. Merchant cities litter the coasts where there is good trading.. but big land nations like France... harder to keep apart through capitalism- at least initally.

Maybe find a middle ground

In which Europe does get screwed over, but rich merchant states still compete with each other in certain areas like Italy, the Batlic Sea and the Benalux. Inland France, Germany and Polands are hellish areas of fedual warlords but the coastlines have diversifed sophiscated merchant republics.

Those are mights figure it out weekend man

Stepintime (talk) 03:28, May 11, 2016 (UTC)