Frankfurt Conference (Night of the Living Alternate History Map Game)

The Frankfurt Conference is planned to be a peace talk convention between Allied and Axis leaders.

It will take place in Frankfurt, Germany. There has been much preparation for the security of the conference, and it is planned to be completely Terrorist-proof.

G greg e  ( talk ) is here when nessary
 * Russian Federation has joined: Edboy452 (talk) 21:29, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Balkan Alliance has joined: Reximus55 (talk) 21:30, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Commonwealth of Oceania has joined: canada2hy.jpg Hypothetical Alberta Blue Ensign.svg OreoToast555(Talk)(Sandbox) 21:30, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Korea has joined: This is UglyTurtle, Signing off. 21:31, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Republic Of Ireland has joined: RamDarre (talk) 21:37, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Germany: Acted by G greg e
 * Poland: Acted by G greg e
 * Sweden: Acted by Edboy452 (talk) 21:41, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Finland: Acted by Edboy452 (talk) 21:41, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Pro-Korean Manchuria: This is UglyTurtle, Signing off. 21:59, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Pro-Wu Manchuria: Most likely going to be acted by Ninjaswarrior
 * Bohemia: Acted by G greg e
 * Slovakia: Acted by G greg e
 * United Republics (asks to attend as a neutral nation) G greg e (talk) 21:53, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * United States: Acted by g greg e and mscoree when mscoree can answer
 * Greater Vietnamese Republic is here. Tykur (talk) 21:56, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * United States of America: Acted by G greg e
 * UK: Feudalplague (talk) 22:05, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Antarctic Cities Mafia (talk)
 * Texas: Doctor Evulz
 * Switzerland Octivian Marius (talk) 23:42, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Peace Talks
Germany: Welcome to Frankfurt, thank you for agreeing to the Wold Ceasefire.

Russian Federation: We all know why we are here as gentlemen and the voice of our independent states. Our troops are in defensive positions and have stopped any offensive operations that damages allied property. However, we are here not to talk about the cease fire that was just made, but the ending of the war that has claimed the lives of millions in years. Thank you for hosting this peace conference that we as a nation wanted a year ago.

Allied Forces: Deaths have been seen all over the world by people of every culture, as we have seen in the Great War and in World War 2, these are tramatic and horrible times for the world and humanity as a whole, thus what will it take to end this pointless genocide of humanity. We need to end this war now that was caused by a nonsensical attack by a crazed leader that sparked this era Russian imperialism.

UK: While decidedly global this war has in fact claimed countless lives over a border dispute.. the fact that a border dispute caused all this needs to be the cause for a revision of rules considering border disputes as well as the fact that we need to establish laws governing these types of things.

AC: We agree completely with the UK and Allied Forces.

Korea: Agreed, we must but a stop to this bloodshed. This is why we are here, for the peace of the world. Now in every war there is a winning side and the winning side gets territory. We need to come to an agreement on who was the winning side and how are we going to divide the territory. There also needs to be a stronger United Nations like organization. The ULN has failed to stop or even delay WWIII, we need to stop WWWIV from happening.

UK: I believe that regardless of a winning or losing side as it stands occupation or Annexation of territories cant be accomplished. many people would not stand for another USSR styled full on occupation, have we learned nothing? doing this once again will set up a process of discontent the fall of nations and another Global war with whoever rises next.

Allied Nations: We agree that the ULN has failed its purpose, much the League of Nations in World War 2, or the United Nations in the Middle Eastern War and Conflicts in South America. A new World geopolitcal orginization, that is active in participation from all players (and thus this map game) is required to prevent future hostilities to over extending into another World War.

UK: As it stands no territory should change hands and any nations conquered should be restored unless obvious successors have been established. The New Global organization is a good idea but the problem with these organizations is consistantly their ability to wield any power... the League of nations has 0 military force behind it, the UN had opposing nations Veto any action that would benefit stability. the new organization needs to have usable wieldable power that isnt completely hindered by a single vote or Veto.

Russian Federation: Event though what the United Kingdom stated, we were in a war of reunification with the former Russian states who were a part of a greater nation for hundreds of years. Furthermore, they have also started this war. However, to create a peaceful world, there has to be unity in which culturally familiar nations should join in arms again.

Korea: I believe annexation of territories can be accomplished without another Global War. We just need to do it in a responisable manner. In our case, annexation will bring peace to Manchuria and Mongolia as it is in civil war.

Pro-Korean Manchuria: Korea is right, if they annexed us the Manchurian civil war would be over. We request to be peacefully annexed with them to end this conflict.

Russian Federation:' We were the first state to be brought into this war by unjustly attacks by all of these nations in which we responded by reunification. Seeing that they contain rogue regimes who cannot determine who is right or wrong.

Allied Nations: We have no idea where Russian Imperialism would stop, thus we had to act in response, albiet costing the lives of millions. Clearly there was a reason these states declared war on Russia. Whats a Russian response necissary, yes, but to the world wide extent of attacking nations on their homeland like the United States or a rumored attack on Vietnam?

Russian Diplomacy: We are not an imperialistic state! But are a peaceful people who respond with the purpose of survival and unity. Vietnam was never an intended target for an attack, and same with the rest of your nations.

Allied Nations: Advances into Slovakia, Poland, Germany, and the United States disagree otherwise

UK: We are inclined to agree with the allies in this matter. your previous attempts at unification started a cold war

Russian Federation: Ask yourself, who declared war first. We were responding to multiple threats of the stability of our nation from these Eastern European threats in which you had no right to intervene in or declare war for a justly reason. This war has never been a cold one but has started the death of millions of civilians and military in years, in which we stayed in since the start. Ukraine, a nation that was part of Russia for hundreds of years and the same with Belarus, Lithuania, and the Livonian Confederation. This is our rightful land that we intend to unify to create a Greater Russia, first intended by peaceful purpose. However, I see that they have attacked us for no justly reason in which thousands of our men have died for reunification of our rightful territory.

UK: Your right to territory doesnt exist, these people didnt reunify with Russia before for a reason. regardless of your defensive nature in the war taking it to the shores of America has successfully turned you into the full blown aggressor. you ceased to be the victim the day a russian soldier stepped on American soil

Russian Federation: In a war that they have started by declaring war on us. We only invaded the United States for the survival of our nation and retaliation, they were never intended to be a target of us. We have asked for a conference a year ago but never got any reply or message from any of the Allied nations. They left Russia due to the practices of Democracy and the removal of socialism in which we have practiced and removed to in non-violent ways (USSR Dissolution was actually peaceful in this timeline).

Balkan Alliance: We feel that the League of Nations, the United Nations, and the United League of Nations have all failed. In fact, so have all major alliances, like NATO and CSTO. Coming from as fragmented of a land as we are from, we know that there is one thing that is more valuable to a nation than its oil and gold. That is its sovereignty, the nation's independence and freedom. Any organization, like the ULN or CSTO, are simply ways for one or two nations to gain influence over all of the other nations, thereby increasing its perceived sovereignty but diminishing the sovereignty of others. Eventually, this greed gets noticed, and people begin to break away and try to re-establish their sovereignty. These international alliances and organizations simply cause problems! The breakup of CSTO is responsible for WWIII, and the appeasements of Chamberlain and the LoN caused WWII! The problem is international intervention in regional affairs. If Russia and Ukraine+Co. simply solved their issues on an Eastern European scale, thousands of lives would've been saved. But the involvement of alliances and organizations simply escalated the crisis into the full scale War we are now fighting.

Russian Diplomacy: We agree, but our government still claims the former states of Russia. However, Moldova will be handed to the Balkan Alliance because it was once part of Romania.

Korea: Yes, the war was started by Ukraine who attacked Russia to little to no good reason and Russia responded with an invasion, just like any nation should. Next Eastern Europe joined against Russia and Russia reacted. Germany then went on Eastern's Europe's side and Russia reacted too. The United States then joined on Germany's side and the whole world went to war. What Russia did was neccesarry to win the war.

Allied Nations: The real world war started when the Russian and axis powers invaded Poland and German states just for allying with people they felt were protecting themselves. At that time the Pacific and shortly after the North American Fronts opened up, starting a true world war.

UK: Out of all of this however the nations of Germany and Poland are to remain independant, considering you refuse to budge on the territory aspect

Texas: Now hold on, you did far more than retaliate. You have effectively destroyed the nation. The United States is a third-world country as a direct and absolute result of your actions. The United States certainly never drained your Treasury. Section III, Article 53 of the Fourth Geneva Convention clearly states, "Art. 53. Any destruction by the Occupying Power of real or personal property belonging individually or collectively to private persons, or to the State, or to other public authorities, or to social or cooperative organizations, is prohibited, except where such destruction is rendered absolutely necessary by military operations." The actions taken in Washington, D.C. are vastly excessive of any sort of self-preservation you could possibly claim. Texas firmly agrees with the UK, you overstepped your bounds.

UK: We ask the Russians to restore the entire treasure of the United States and pay reparations, like i said you became the aggressor the day you stepped on American soil

Russian Federation: Even though we may have attacked first, this was interpreted as an initial assault from the Allies in which we responded in force due to our defensive behavior that we have had to conduct because of the original attack. However, we forgive the Allies for any damage that we have done and are willing to send the United States Gold Reserve back if the war ends with us peacefully reunifying our former states. This conference is not to spark more political schisms in which we need to aggressively act in and we are willing to end it with peace. Poland and Germany will remain as independent states because they were never intended to be ceded into the Russian Federation. We may have broke the Fourth Geneva Convention, but so has the United States when creating the Treaty of Dubai. Article 33, Section I, Part III states that: Article 33. No persons may be punished for an offense he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited. Pillage is prohibited. This incorporates against the Treaty of Dubai where it clearly states that: Turkey will financially and physically support the reconstruction of the holy sites and cities it destroyed.

Korea: We agree with Russia. We don't need more politcal schisms. As both nations have broke the Geneva convention, the United States should keep it's economy and territories and Russia should have Eastern Euorope. Eastern Europe includes Belarus, Ukraine, Lithuania, Livonian Confederation, and Finland   Poland and Germany should remain free. And Korea should have Pro-Korean Manchuria. Vietnam should have land after the Wu-Vietnam war and Wu should remain in it's current state. The inland Asian nations should decide to be either vassalized by Wu, Korea, or Russia, or Vietnam or remain independent. Does everyone agree to this?

Allied Nations: And Russia's initial assult was thought of as an attack on the allies as a whole.

Russian Federation: Also we would like to add to Korea's idea and also unify Standing Rock, and New England back into the United States. Furthermore, Brighton was also unjustly vassalized from the UK in the 70s when England was in war with London. This should be handed back to the UK. Moldova should also be handed to the Balkan Alliance because it was part of Romania.

Texas: The fact of the matter is that the USSR signed it. You did not protest or bring it up at all. You bring it up now only because it helps your case. Well, the USSR condoned the violation. It agreed to the violation. You violated the Conventions twice. This does not help your case and you cannot use it to justify yourself. In any matter, the nations of Eastern Europe wanted to become free, so they did so. Now, if you say they will re-join Russia, why not hold a referendum and see what they want?

Russian Federation: Saying that the USSR signed doesn't mean our government signed it, this means that Belarus, Ukraine, Lithuania, Moldova, and the Livonian Confederation has broke the Geneva Convention. Also we are not the USSR, we are a state that broke off of it in 1986.

UK: Seconded,

Korea: We agree with Russia's propsal. US gains land, UK gains land, the Balkan Alliance gains land, and Russia liberates land in North America. This seems reasonable.

Russian Federation: This is unacceptable, we get into a war due to the corrupt acts of nations attacking us, and we lose land! We will be happy to give back all occupied territory back to the United States and proposes the unification of Standing Rock and New England into the United States. Belarus, Ukraine, Lithuania, Livonian Confederation, and Finland cedes to the Russian Federation, and Moldova gets handed over to the Balkan Alliance.

UK:  No your returning to standing borders with possible territory gain, this is not the era of imperialism, you can noy act like it is especially when you have clearly violated knowingly the Geneva convention

'''Korea just changed their post and I haven't replied to it yet correctly when they changed it. I've just fixed it, so this can be crossed out now because he meant something different.''' Edboy452 (talk) 23:27, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Texas: Russia is the successor state of the USSR. East and West Germany had to take responsibility for Nazi Germany's actions, why shouldn't you? However, we also mostly agree with Korea's and Russia's proposals. But we still think a referendum should be held in any country that may be annexed.

Oceania: The United States should regain its land, Ukraine should be Partitioned with Russia for it's warring, and russia only. France should be reinstated as it's own nation, Wu should be renamed to China and merge with Taiwan, Manchuria and Mongolia shall remain their own nations, unaffected by any neighbouring nation. Now, how about a shrimp on the barbie?

Korea:The situations in Manchuria and Mongolia is dire, they are in a middle of a civil war. Why can't the factions be annexed by the nations that they support?

Allied Nations: we support a referendum in the states of Ukraine, Lithuania, Livionan Confederation, Belarus, and Finland to decide their status. Moldova deserves one as well to dictate its status within the Balkan Alliance.

Russian Federation: We are not annexing land but are reunifying something that was ours for hundreds of years. A refundrum is unacceptable to land that we had once owned.

Allied Nations: '''FRANCE WAS A ROGUE NATION, the AXIS will second this due to their attempted nuclear attack on Russia, they have been reformed as many successor states per the Treaty of Paris 1998. '''

Oceania: The United Nations shall replace the "United Leauge of Nations", and shall be used to regulate conflict and at any time, prevent it.

UK: We will allow the reunification of Ukraine, and Finland not the rest. you have no claim there especially since the Geneva convention was violated

Russian Diplomacy: We agree that France had multiple corrupt regimes, but we can assure you that ours is not. The only attacks that we have made were ones against nations that threatened our very existence in which we responded to. We have claims to those territories, they were once ours. If Lithuania and Livonian Confederation will not join, we will then request that just Ukraine, Finland, and Belarus join.

Greater Vietnamese Republic We claim area to having a treaty, we would like the provinces the have taken from Wu from the war. We dont have much say about our allies claims and requests.

Balkan Alliance: Has my point not been made? The LoN/UN/ULN only escalate crises. These ideas came from a man who secretly admired, and desired, a New World Order, US President Wilson. Each nation, each nationality, needs a voice, but the UN silences a large number of voices and puts 1 voice forward as the "Official Stance of the World."

UK: We will allow for Belarus to be reintegrated into Russia as well if we are given the ability to take an Remake france away from its failed ideals and into a more peaceful nation

Texas: Those people, the Ukranians, Finns, and all of the others, are independent and rightly so. They were a part of Russia because the Russian Empire forced them to be. Why do you think they became their own nations when they had the chance? They will always be oppressed minorities under the Russians, a reminder of horrible imperialist days that are hopefully long gone. As for the United Nations, it is obvious that international organizations in the vein of the LoN, UN, and ULN fail. We have gone through three now, none of which have prevented the very things they were designed to prevent! If a new United Nations is created, Texas will not be joining.

Russian Federation: Ok so the nations of Ukraine, Belarus, and Finland will cede to the Russian Federation. Lithuania and the Livonian Confederation will be forced to join if any future conflict starts. That is our proposal. Also we need to start talking about Turkey. They have started attacking Chechnya and re mobilized their armed forces which is a violation of the Treaty of Dubai.

Allied Nations: Vietnam does dont deserve anything, Wu and Vietnam have both been undecided nations that have switched sides in this war for the purpose to only gain land and enfore their imperialistic nature on other naitons. Wu and Vietnam both need to respect other nations soverinty. Vietnam and Wu have a hostile history where both nations have continued to attack and only hurt the other's people.

Korea: We agree that Wu and Vietnam should remain status quo after the Vietnam-Wu war.

UK: Agreed, we would however like a sphere of influence in Northern France in europe

Allied Nations: France has fallen as one nation due to clashes between Northern France, Southern France, Brittany, and Picardy. France should be left for a later treaty if discussed at all.

UK: alright

Greater Vietnamese Republic:the reasons why i attack the Wu was because Wu disobeyed the treaty of Bangkok by secretly redeveloping there navy. They also thentend to invade us. The reason i switched sides was because that Russia was our Allie from the begging and was not the one in the wrong for expanding like he did.

'''It was developed secretly, thus you did not know about this until you attacked them in 1998.5. However, you do know about it at this time. '''

Terms of Peace
to be edited only by G greg e (talk)

Currently appeared to be agreed upon by everyone, sorted by region.

North America

 * Russia will remove her forces from North America
 * Russia will return the US Treasury to the United States
 * United States will be united with its vassals New England and Standing Rock

Europe

 * Germany and Poland will remain independent
 * Brighton will be returned to the United Kingdom
 * Moldova will be incorperated into the Balkan Alliance
 * Status within the Balkan Allaince pending (could be independent or  part of Romania)

Asia
terms yet to be discussed

Offical Dissucssion
Post any discussion below, do not add to the above.

Oceania's Proposals
To be added to the existing terms

Wu will be rebranded as China and United with Taiwan, and a new republic regime will be instilled.

All small nations, with unstable governments, that are not major powers, of which posess nuclear weapons will be disarmed immediately after this treaty is put into force.

Sales of nuclear weapons will be outlawed.

France shall be reinstated as it's own nation.