Talk:Yellowstone: 1936

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Change it to 1936. Or should I? Because it sounds better and more was going on in 1936. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:26, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

First things first
We will need a new world map to show how the world would become at around 1940 - after most of the climate had changed on the planet. This will mean large parts of the world will be ice - including a British dominion loyal to the crown, but it will allow us more accurate nations. I also think we should wait until the backstory is fleshed out. :/  Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:25, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Well, we would need to start actually working on the timeline now instead of later now wouldn't we. Plus, I found this map detailing how much ash and dust would be deposited if Yellowstone did erupt - the area would essentially be uninhabitable for most life because nothing would grow there for the years after the eruption

PESTICIDE (talk) 21:20, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

But once life begins to grow - it will literally explode. melted lava makes for very very fertile soils. Here is the map in progress for the TL.



I am working on it but do not get too excitied about all the new land - there will be a lot of snow around too which I will find a way of representing on the map. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:33, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Here is Kogasa's OTL vs ATL:



I find it to be an extremely useful map and it is very good. Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:38, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

I agree. Let's complete the Italy-Africa chain too perhaps?

(listsquares 2 6 4) -> (16 25 36)

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!)  23:12, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Lemme have a look. Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:33, November 6, 2013 (UTC)



This is another map showing whatever borders of the world that are still there. Many seem to be in the middle of nowhere due to lan around it having risen up. I have a dilemma, however. Should I remove all the borders completely to have a blank map which would be good to look at and have a reference at? Thoughts? Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:50, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

I noticed this map completely covers the west coast, unlike some of the earlier maps. Might want to move the gray area in a bit so that all the articles about the West Coast aren't obsolete. Mscoree (talk) 20:20, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Since the west coast is right on the edge of the blast anyway that would probably mean they're the least damaged within the gray, and eventually becomes re-inhabited. For map purposes though I think we should just move the gray in a bit, so that on maps showing nations the west coast states stick out in the edge of the blast radius. Mscoree (talk) 20:24, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Ms, the earlier maps were uncanon and did not take into account the largeness of the supervolcano. Still, should I leave this map like this or make it completely blank so it is easier to see the new land and the eventual snow? Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:51, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

I believe we agreed that part of the Isles would be ice-free?

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!)   [Sometimes the person you take the bullet for is standing behind the trigger!]  14:52, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Does the south look like it has ice? -- Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:18, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I'm in.
GUNS THE GLORIOUS, MIGHTY DENIZEN OF THIS WIKI!

Stop being an idiot =)

But yeah, there will be huge amounts of changes and destruction around. Just a forewarning. WWII would seem like a picnic compared to the bloodshed which will follow this. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:36, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

It's not possible, Imp. You know me =)

Yeah, well, that explosion needs be larger. We're talking like the Toba Extinction Event if this ever happens.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!)  18:38, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

It will not be that bad though. We have planned it to be ice age inducing but not wiping out all humans or just leaving a small number inducing. I will probably make it bigger soon. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:44, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Say, chaos for a couple of years, like the Year with no Summer, and then summer comes back minus aboutish 2/3 the human population.

Year with no summer is certain. Most of North America gets killed, and most of northern Europe but not 2/3 of the world. That is too high. You will have to kill of India and China for that - both nation which will actually benefit like 4 years after 36. Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:51, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Unless... Chain reaction with the Ring of Fire? It is possible... In that case we'll have a DD like world, except, you know, less radioactivity.

I dunno. However, maybe they could become way more active and create land at a hugely faster rate? Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:18, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Right! Simultaneosly helping and hurting humanity.

Yeah. Makes my map update more believable. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:22, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

What IS your map BTW? I mean...

One sec.

On the other hand... considering what's happened here with Oct and all... SHFT.

Whaddya mean? Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:27, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

The Implausogasms have tainted it.

I mean, one of the mods is OCT.

Well it was his idea for a new community TL. The supervolcano thing was local's idea. The map was my idea. Toby was one of the guys who got the layout done. We are the four moderators of the TL. And if Oct says anything random - three outvotes one. Imp (Say Hi?!) 14:55, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

Can I help with this timeline? Mscoree (talk) 15:33, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, it is a community timeline

Y'all dat shit be trollin' eff.

If, Imp? If he says something random?

Guess Who? ~

Why is Oct a Mod?

THAT'S WHAT I SAID!

Kudos to Local for guessing who. xD

Also, who has MODERATORS for community TLs?

Guess who's idea it was?

The idiot formally known as Octavian Marius?

Mhmm Made the date and helped get it going, and made the first page. OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM

Some pages
I request to others that the pages of the Great Chaos and Climate are left to me as they will make up the backbone of the timeline. If you have any suggestions, you call tell me however. Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:20, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

I have a proprisition. Some who have coastal access to the Pacific escape by boat and eventually form a Confederation in the middle of Pacific. This is UglyTurtle, Signing off. 18:36, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

Right, since the explosion would have thrown up a bunch of pacific islands, we could have American refugees flee there.

Also, I hope no one minds; but I just added a page here...

Most of that area would be under snow or glaciers... Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:39, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

Yep. I know. But, it could still be pretty powerful...

Why
Why was my name removed from moderator, i was one of the founders. OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM  19:30, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

A) Because this isn't an effing map game. We don't need moderators.

B) You really want an answer to that question?

I think most of us might decide against moderators, or at least the word moderator. Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:47, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

Does anyone know the proposal template? Oct doesn't seem to know what it is, and I dint know how to put it on his articles

. Simple enough lol. Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:55, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

No, don't use that.

Use That way you get the Timeline name too.

I FREAKEN PRACTICALY FOUNDED THIS AND I GET NO RIGHTS. The Marius Creature

Guns i am also tierd of u thinking u can push me around. OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM

I think nothing of the sort.

I KNOW (jk).

How the hell can you alternate between accusations and whining with that alacrity and then have the gall to wonder why we don't treat you as an equal?

Oct, all you did was say 'We should do another Community TL'. The POD was mine. Map is Imp's. Layout and crap is TOB's.

Me and Kogasa. We both have contributed to the map. I will make my version the completely blank version and his can be the version to compare the OTL planet to the ATL world. So yea! :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:23, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

So to recap, Kogasa, Imp, Toby and I have all contributed more to the 'founding' of this Timeline than you, Oct. Does that answer your question as to why you get no rights? Also, Guns and Imp brought it back from the dead. ~Local

I will happily take the claim for that! :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:40, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Credit should go to Imp for raising it. I didn't even know it was dead. He's Christ, the TL's Lazarus, I'm just the guy standing behind him and to the left a little xD.

Sinfata

Abolishment
Do you think we should abolish the moderator thing going on and just have the guys who founded this run it and orgnaise it? Would that be better? Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:42, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and also, be careful Guns! Oct is Tiered! He is 'One of a series of rows placed one above another:   a stadium with four tiers of seats. 2. A rank or class.''tr. & intr.v.'' tiered, tier·ing, tiersTo arrange (something) into or rise in tiers:'

Why don't we just do what Apocalypse 2012 did, and just have a list of contributors on the main page. We will all just regulate each other. Mscoree (talk) 19:52, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Right. Let's also NOT do the other thing A2012 did (let it die, that is). p

I like the idea of the founders running it (Me).

Except you didn't found it... You said 'Let's make a community TL'.

Local had the idea. Toby made the layout and the page, I believe. Imp and Kogasa made the map. Imp and I 'revived' it. You... uhhh...

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!)  23:24, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Helped set it and came up with a few MAJOR details.

Look, Oct, no one's denying that you've done quite a bit of decent work here. But you aren't going to lead this or anything of the sort. If we were to have a leader (and we certainly will bloody not) it would be Local or Imp.

Imp. I don't want to leader. Far to much responsibility. If we have a leader, which we shouldn't, imo, then it should be Imp.

Let's Get to Work, Gentlemen.
Evening, Gents.

Let's get right down to it.

We need to plan for this world.

Firstly, let's make a 1983DD-esque section for each of the Proposals.

Then, let's plan out this forsaken world.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!)  23:10, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Those wishing to officially work should put their names on the main page. I agree with the DD esque proposal. Makes sense. I feel planning this world would take a lot of effort and we need the ideas.

See Guns, I think if the Holy Russian Empire is a modern thing, then it is too small. I also know where you got the idea from. Plus no Holy Russian Empire would be complete without Greece and the Cresent, especially Constantinople.

Plus, in the Great Chaos, a lot of Chinese will die on the hands of the Japanese. For a while at least, Japan will become almost superpower like due to the fact the nation stopping it from expanding has just vanished. It will most certainly carry out a Chinese genocide and use the new lands to farm for its people. The authoritarian nation would probably become our Socialist Siberia, but much meaner and more powerful. SCARY THOUGHT. Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:29, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

And less socialist, of course.

Right, Russia. So control over the Black Sea, Baltic, Aral... THIS IS SUPERPOWER MATERIAL xD.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!)  23:32, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

But I had a civil war planned in Japan, and made it split into some nations. Should I just change it all then? -Kogasa  2013 November 05, 01:47 (CET)

These are just musings, I think. Perhaps you could have the Japanese rise, then collapse to Civil War? My HRE page mentions a WWII, that could be the reason...

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!)  23:49, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to give it second thoughts. I might just end up having Japan become the Socialist Siberia instead. I'll think about it for a while. -Kogasa  2013 November 05, 01:56 (CET)

By the way, can we have an official name for the eruption? I've used Eruption Day, but I've seen Yellowstone Event and others...

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!)  16:44, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

I use Yellowstone event

Well, Kogasa I was a bit on the hesitant site about you doing the Japanese this time. You seem to have a way to get the Japanese nations into a way of democracy and peacefulness - both of which the Japanese here are defiantely not. We are talking about a Japanese Empire on the scale never seen before at all. They will pretty much dominate the east of Asia - especially since they are all connected. Their navy will begin to recieve less focus and the nation will quick to capture tanks and adapt them to their needs. The problems of metals will not exist anymore either as they will be able to transport them from the South.

And lemme be clear. North America is almost completed dead. Sure, the explosion range is only dark grey but the rest of the continent will suffer indirect effects the most. The most I can see happening is small states on the far east coast who somehow manage to survive. Not to say the ice will make life hell.

I think Eruption Day sounds better. Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:49, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

I actually have to disagree. Japan will be a massive target for Earthquakes and Tidal Waves- Ring of Fire Chain Reaction, remember?

Yeah, the West Coast is totally open and out.

I like ED better too.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!)  17:58, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

I never said the chain reaction would be so explosive. New land is formed very frequently and we are just accelerating the process with this. Plus, it will take time for the volcanos to go Saint Helen and the Japs already had a large number of troops in Manchuria and a very large navy. As soon as the first land starts to drain, they quickly begin to relocate their people. Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:10, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Is that what they did before the nuclear power plant blew up?

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!)  18:16, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

No one understood nuclear power then like they did now. Everyone knows what a volcano can do since the dawn of man. When Fukushima was under trouble, they evacuated a large area. My point. Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:57, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

No Imp, since the first mountain exploded on man.

Hahaha, same thing! XD  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:36, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

History
Ok, guys, we need more history for this TL to work. Let's plot out some very basic things.

Got a new idea, third age of imperialism! began in the year 1990 and is going on. It is where new colonies are made in places that have resorted to a tribal setting.

Well that would be commonplace well before 1990 Oct. The world has become a lot more depopulated and the need will present itself. Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:44, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

What level of technology should humanity be at? Obviously no nuclear technology, powerful computers, satellites, space travel, cell phones, etc. Just so I know. Daeseunglim (talk) 02:42, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, so were assuming World War Two doesn't happen to the extant it did IOTL; and that (possibly) tens of millions of people have died due to the volcano, thus retarding society and technological growth. If I had to guess, the world's technological level would be around 1970's to 1980's levels, with computers similar to those of the 1960's, and space exploration coming in during the turn of the century (so pretty recent) if any at all. PESTICIDE (talk) 13:05, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Tens of millions doesn't even cut it. Try something around 400 million. We have the Great Chaos and then we have nations looking to rebuild. Germany should get a population boost by the arriving Scandinavians, but they will put a strain on resources and cause greater unrest. The Russians will probably invade Slavic nations which have not been majorly affected by ice and so would probably end up invading most of Eastern Europe - with the dictatorship keeping control of the nation for a while before they descend into chaos.

The Brits will probably run to India and South Africa - followed by the Canadians. They will set up their new command areas there - probably South Africa would be the main administrative capital for them. They would probably end up uniting their southern African colonies into one major administration. Australia would also remain the other light of the British Empire. We could expect chaos in India but we should have the Brits coming in and stabilising stuff - not after a bloody civil war and a huge famine however. Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:49, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

My Russias basically done. From there, we hath conquered the Norse. And the Slavs. And the Greeks. And some Persians. And a coupld of Turks. IDK.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig <font color="#000000">(Dammit, Guns!)   [Sometimes the person you take the bullet for is standing behind the trigger!]  00:42, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Well, we don't know how that will turn out Guns. The territory is under dispute.

In the Middle East, Egypt has become a major power, along with its friends Iraq and later Iran. Eastern Africa is a divided mess (sort of) and so is Arabia. Italian North Africa is split into Tripolitania and Fezzan. Iran includes Azerbaijan and maybe Afghanistan and Tajikistan (I don't know at this point) while Britain still maintains a foothold in Southern Arabia. The Yemens have been united.

"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 00:51, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Timeline
So, are we creating a whole bunch of nations and making a timeline baout them, or ar we making the timeline and then making nations described in them. either way, we need a TL.

We're doing this the time-honored manner that spawned the Il Bethisad and 1983: Doomsday Timelines.

We'll make up random stuff then cover it with a timeline later =)

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig <font color="#000000">(Dammit, Guns!)  18:54, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Article Confusion
Many people have been claiming things that belong to other people. Like scraw calaims eire when dase owns it. We need active mods. <font color=Purple face="Algerian">OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM

These are all proposals. The first article to be accepted into canon is the one that will be the truth. Likewise, I assume that in order to be accepted, your article has to be all proper and chock full of good content.

00:15, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

No one touch the Middle East, OTL Libya, or Eastern Africa. I have a map and timeline for that in progress.

"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 00:22, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

No one touch Germany, Austria, Italy, Slovenia, there is already plans made for those nations. <font color=Purple face="Algerian">OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM  02:45, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Also to keep on top of things we should have a off day WHERE NO NEW PAGES CAN BE MADE, to let the admins cetch up and to stop confusion. <font color=Purple face="Algerian">OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM  02:45, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Well we can go around making pages obso if we see it fit to be obso, so we already have that power. Right now, it is looking like a lot of your articles will end up so. Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:19, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

^ Austria can't do ANY of what you have it doing. Italy... will be dealt with later (When I have read them)

Yellowstone Security Council
I'd like to bring up an idea I had today in the live chat. I was thinking that we have five or six contributors who review and approve articles, acting as a sort of security council, with the ability to vote and veto just like in the OTL UN. We could even turn this into a fictitious organization, kind of like how 1983: Doomsday has the WCRB. Once we progress the timeline far enough we can make some sort of UN-style organization. This way we can quickly approve some of the first articles and start establishing a canon to work off of. Let me know what you think. Mscoree (talk) 04:43, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Great idea. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#700000 45%,#700000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#ffffff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color=maroon face="Helvetica">I find your lack of faith   <font color="#ff0000" face="Helvetica" title="Blog">disturbing.  09:34, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Good Idea, but won't it swiftly descend into arguments?

If we do it right I could potentially stop arguments. Mscoree (talk) 13:16, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Pretty much. Right now, the only possible people I would see in this council are Me, Local and Ms. The fact remains that our combined edit numbers of 27.8k speak for ourselves. Imp (Say Hi?!) 13:19, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Similar to how LG reviews articles in 1983, we would review articles here. Mscoree (talk) 13:30, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Guns?

Guns would be a good choice too. Maybe all the people of the " Those Managing the TL" section, and this could replace it. Mscoree (talk) 13:57, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Guns might OP the HRE. But he could be good too. Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:36, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

That's why we need several people on the council to regulate each other. Mscoree (talk) 20:16, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

I support this idea. But always remember that you need an odd number to prevent ties.

23:09, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

So who exactly is on the council to start? Should we do a vote? Mscoree (talk) 23:19, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

After talking on the live chat it has been decided that Imp, Local, and myself shall be the first three members of the security council. TOB and Reximus have been made junior moderators for now. Mscoree (talk) 23:28, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Gee, bad junior mods much? Throw Guns in there and take one of them out.

23:30, November 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Trying to figure out what makes me a bad junior mod... I can't think of anything, really.


 * <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#700000 45%,#700000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">           [[Image:Ancapflag.svg|25px|link=User:Reximus55]]    <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#ffffff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color=maroon face="Helvetica">I find your lack of faith   <font color="#ff0000" face="Helvetica" title="Blog">disturbing.  04:58, November 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * You have no idea how hard the other side fought to make it somewhere near the OTL date. Believe me, both sides don't like it - so it works! ;) [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imp (Say Hi?!) 12:51, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

You said odd numbers. As such, you and Guns have the chance to join. However, because no one else was really wanting to take charge and nominated me - if arguments spew out of control - I'll be the one deciding compromises - which will piss off both sides (that'll mean it will be a good compromise). :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 00:38, November 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * Considering that your latest "compromise" pissed off just one side, I'm not entirely sure that's correct. ;)


 * 04:49, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I will throw myself in here for consideration for a security council position.

"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 01:32, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Here is another way we can go about this. There are 2 levels of the leadership of this TL. There is the YSC, made up of respected members of the TL's community (lets say 2k+ edits, or 500+ edits on this TL alone as a minimum). Then, there is the second group, which serves as a group of advisors to the YSC on the region in question. The YSC relies upon this group, the Regional Managers, to see if an article fits in with the region's history.

Since the YSC is more fleshed out, here is how I see the Regional Management system going: There is a Manager for each continent, and then sub-managers for regions within a continent. (I keep using Europe b/c I am pretty much like the "Regional Manager" for Europe.) There will be sub-managers for Western, Southern, Northern, Central, and Eastern Europe, and the empty roles will be filled by the Regional Manager.

The Regional Managers are sort of like this aspect of 83DD which is not really utilized to its fullest potential. Sub-regional managers can be on the YSC, but Regional Managers cannot be a part of the YSC.

<span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#700000 45%,#700000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#ffffff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color=maroon face="Helvetica">I find your lack of faith   <font color="#ff0000" face="Helvetica" title="Blog">disturbing.  04:46, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with this idea. That's basically what I had in mind with the whole moderators and junior moderators thing. Mscoree (talk) 13:09, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Any objections? I propose the following regional directors (should they not object) based upon expressed interest, ability, and knowledge of the area: Acting Regional Directors are members of the YSC, but this won't be considered a violation of the YSC being exclusive to the regional departments. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#700000 45%,#700000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#FFFF99), to(#FFFF99)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#0000CC" face="Helvetica">Hasta la vista,   <font color="#CC0000" face="Helvetica" title="Contributions">baby.  03:40, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Feudal - South America
 * Viva - Africa
 * Rex (me!) - Europe
 * ______ (Ms as Acting) - North America
 * Kogasa - Asia
 * _______ (LMB as Acting) - Ocenia

UP YOURS. THE MIGHTY GUNS EXISTS SOLELY OUTSIDE THE SYSTEM. Also, I'm a really bad admin. I'll be a senior member, but don't, DON'T make me an admin lol.

Also, Rex, I liked your old slogan better. Especially since now this one just looks like Scraw's pre-lightsaber one.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig  (Dammit, Guns!)  12:53, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Also, who the hell put together that junior admin list?

Drop Rex and Toby and add Scraw, Viva, and Kogasa.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig  (Dammit, Guns!)  01:02, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

No, seriously. No offense to Toby or Rex, but frankly, the latter three are a lot more... trustworthy.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig  (Dammit, Guns!)  01:02, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

...You guys are completely missing that the WCRB "directors" have no role, and are honorary titles we give ourselves, lol. Lordganon (talk) 07:45, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

We know that in 1983 the titles are honorary. This isn't 1983; here they actually have a purpose. Mscoree (talk) 11:37, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

And right now I am heavily doubting ever having the "junior moderator" thing ever take place. Its a bad idea and I do not think it should be around. The Yellowstone Security Council is enough. When we feel a user is good enough to be admitted - they will be. So, if I have support - they junior moderator thing will be completely removed. Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:16, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

Although not completely needed right now, I feel that the junior moderator thing will be helpful for new contributors as the timeline starts to grow. Mscoree (talk) 20:21, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

Why not divvie it into senior and junior editors, and then the YSC.

The Senior editors have no actual power, but their word carries further. For that we could have Me, MP, Scraw, Viva, maybe a couple of others. But only as long as they have no real power; otherwise, take my name out of there.

~

You may know that, Ms, but reading that it's rather apparent that several do not. Lordganon (talk) 12:20, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Bering Strait
Have you folks considered having a Bering Land Bridge or something?

According to the map there already is one. Mscoree (talk) 23:18, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Preamble
Esteemed members of the Yellowstone Security Council, it is with great respect for the contributions of all contributors that we come before you today to object to the  page and subsequent articles.

The  is not only overly ASB, it is of such a great size in a region that is lacking of any real political leadership. The aforementioned page, we feel, ought to be deemed obsolete, and the topic of Russia revisited by a concil of the YSC and members of the Yellowstone community.

Following this petition and list of objections is a list of concerned contributors who are willing to revision Russia in the Timeline, and are willing to dedicate themselves to the creation of a more plausible Russia.

List of Objections
Using our best interpretations of the Yellowstone catastrophe, and also utilizing the furthest extent of our abilities to comprehend the immediate and butterfly effects of the eruption, we, the undersigned, hereby object to the following parts of the Holy Russian Empire:


 * 1. The Holy Russian Empire is too big of a nation.


 * The HRE stifles room for future growth in the region of  Russia and Ruthenia
 * The HRE is the largest nation yet on Earth, following a catastrophe, beating the next nations by thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of sq. km.
 * 2. The Holy Roman Empire is a Monarchy.


 * The Russian people (in 1917) just overthrew a monarchy.
 * Regardless of whether the new Tsar is just a "figurehead" he wil be thoroughly hated.
 * The Whites, who would be in favor of a Tsar, largely left Russia after the Civil War.
 * According to the page, Rodion Malinovsky would become the new Tsar.
 * However, there is one small problem. Malinovsky would be in Spain (the Civil War) during E-Day.
 * If you remember North Atlantic travel being cancelled after the volcano in Iceland, just imagine how Malinovsky could get to Russia!
 * Rodion was also only a Chief of Staff of a Cavalry Corps - by no means fit to run a government.
 * He only barely gained national attention after the Spanish Civil War, and was not of note prior.
 * 3. The "Tsar" would not be in Russia during the Eruption.


 * Trotsky was living outside of Oslo, Norway, on E-Day. This puts him about 600 miles from St. Petersburg.
 * According to this travel site, it would take 13.6 hrs for Trotsky to be in St. Petersburg after E-Day.
 * Trotsky would be in St. Petersburg, where he would be widely considered the heir to the USSR.


 * 4. Leon Trotsky, still beloved, would only be 1 day away from Russia.


 * 5. The "Holy" aspect of Russia had already been largely eliminated.


 * Rodion Malinovsky couldn't practice religion as all Communists had to be atheistic.
 * Even is he only converted to be accepted, he would be ostracized for being unholy.
 * The Orthodox Church was greatly weakened during the 1920s, with tens of thousands killed.
 * See:   and
 * The colors of the flag are so absurd that no modern day nation in OTL even has a similar flag.
 * During universal drought and devastation, the dyes cannot be found.
 * No self-respecting government would use such bright colors.
 * 6. The Flag is absurdly colored.


 * 7. Timeline is done way to fast.


 * The speed of the expansion of the HRE is extremely rapid.
 * Malinovsky (who was in Spain) managed, magically it seems, to unite the Soviet military in under 6 months.
 * The huge, bulky, Soviet army, which was starving, managed to be united under a common leader? Feudalism is the more likely result.
 * Zhukov wasn't Malinovsky's CO, nor were they in the same detachment. Therefore, Zhukov could not be the Posadnik.
 * After consolidating control over Moscow, Malinovsky manages to "octuple" the size of his land in under a year. Wouldn't other Soviet warlords put up some fight?
 * Operation Constantine is a huge landgrab that assumes the collapse of the Greek and Yugoslavic nations. Those nations would be better suited climatically, and would not fall easily.
 * 8. Russia is starving.


 * The Soviet population is somewhere around 165 million in 1936.
 * The huge population would not focus on war but on surviving.
 * The Russian climate would be freezing worse than in OTL
 * In the first winter, starvation, freezing, and disease could be accountable for te death of 1 in 3, or a population a little over 100 million. Now, take the initial area controlled by Malinovsky, and he has a tiny, starving, poorly equipped army... that is going to conquer the world?!?

Petition
We, the undersigned, hereby petition the YSC to deem the Holy Russian Empire article obsolete, and then draw up a plan for a Russia made up of smaller warlord factions that may eventually unite later on.

Signatures

 * 08:01, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * The Unchallenged Conqueror #FP (Talk to Me) 08:31, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Daeseunglim (talk) 10:54, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Daxus Inferno (talk) 15:39, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Discussion
Rex, make a fucking template for your sig, seriously.

I will work on it, LMB!

I have to object here. It isn't that much bigger than say... Britannia? Or Brazil TBH. Britannia, you must remember, also claims Canada, the OTL second largest Nation. Don't make incorrect assertions

Local, the White Russian Movement sought to return to Russia after the civil war to reinstate the monarchy, and not all of the Russians liked the Soviets. Most of them were forced to serve them since they won the war and had the most guns. There is no reason they could have not defeated the communists following the catastrophe as they were still a major force in the world's political communities during the Interwar and Cold War eras. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 20:13, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Edboy and myself have also raised concerns on the page's talk page. Mscoree (talk) 20:19, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Rex, you just answered most of the problems you post with the existance of the HRE with what? Oh yes, that starvation section. Can you seriously not see that the General would be able to get back through ship or rail - how he probably got there in the first place?

All that cold will cause Stalin to begin to make matters hugely worse - not better at all. Once the Generals depose of Stalin - a spiteful Zhokov would probably decide to kill off who? That's right: Trotsky. He would probably hate how the bureaucracy runs - and no one said anything about transforming the nation into Capitalist - most generals would probably just support nation nation running on communist systems with a Monarch on the throne. And lets be serious - the guy's achievements in OTL speak for themselves.

Sure, the Russians had a revolutution, and true I have not graduated the HRE because I think the USSR would be around for another year or so for the system to completely become in a rot so the HRE could come into existance. Although i do have to agree with the flag - it has completely no meaning. And the way things are going - I have an absolutely awesome idea for the flag (imagine Soviet Flag with a Romanov Eagle and removed of a stickle). Now Red flags are going to be everywhere - correct?

The biggest example of change I would like to give relating to Timelines would be the new League of Nations in DD. We can all see the first one failed horribly, which is like the first monarchy. Then the UN did good - but nuclear war still broke out and this can be compared to the Soviet Union. Then when a new council for the world came to be - what did they go with - that's right the League of Nations, a la Monarchy.

And overexpansion - are you guys crazy? It takes them 80 years to get that large - even the Tsardom expanded faster than that! And we are not stopping the creation of states in the region - we will have historical nations in the region too as they will exist for a while. They might be around for some 4-5 decades - plenty time to write about their history. And these guys do not even conquer the entire region of former Russia. These guys at best get around 60-70% under their control - out of that only around 40% is mainly properly constructed and has decent amounts of people. Most of that land is outposts. The Japanese are in the east remember?

Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:35, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

=Article Proposals=

Holy Russian Empire (Yellowstone: 1936)
Made by guns, still a work in progress.

Ok, Almost done here. Map's good, I've got the history and everything planned out... just need to, you know, make it.

I will be done soon.

I'm as done as I can get till we up and at some other history.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig <font color="#000000">(Dammit, Guns!)  22:59, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

ANY OBJECTIONS TO GRADUATION??

I object to this only on the grounds that its territory is in dispute.

And fix your sig, please. It is making everyone edit in source mode.

"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 00:53, November 7, 2013 (UTC) I know… I need to fix that. Actually, I posted this before checking that page *guilty shrug*.

Territory is no longer in dispute. I lost Scandanavia and added the Slavic nations.

I talked to Imp! WE ARE NOW IN GRAD WEEK!

Objections filed. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#700000 45%,#700000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#FFFF99), to(#FFFF99)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#0000CC" face="Helvetica">Hasta la vista,   <font color="#CC0000" face="Helvetica" title="Contributions">baby.  08:46, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Federative Republic of Macau
Article about an independent Macau. -Kogasa

Commonwealth of Erie
Daeseunglim (talk)

Canada
Daeseunglim (talk) 02:47, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah... Canada is gone Daese. The might have a little bit on the Coast. Can people stop making nations in North America? It is basically dead. Everyone would want to leave.

That's not the case whatsoever. Mscoree (talk) 18:18, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Believe me Ms, this is not England we are talking about. The nation would begin to become another Antartica, and in the few pockets that people could live at, there will be people. But most with sense will evacuate to British lands - Australia will recieve all this huge boost. I think the Aussie population is at around 6.8 Million in 1936 and an extra 9 million would propel the nation to 1986 levels. The Canadians would get out. Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:41, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

I was talking about how he said North America was dead. That is clearly not true. Even in Canada not everyone will evacuate. Many people will, but I could see the Canadians controlling the southeast provinces for a few years. After that who knows. Mscoree (talk) 21:13, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Mostly dead then. Same difference. They lost the farmland, and no one else gives enough of a sh*t to give them food. Therefore, dead.

New England
PESTICIDE

Egypt
"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 21:42, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

The Unchallenged Conqueror #FP (Talk to Me)

Will post the link for it later i have to fix it cause one of my friends screwed up the post for it

and probably Imp as well

Presidents of New York
00:08, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Any objections to graduation? Ms, your page isn't Canon, so that isn't an objection.

Might want to add some more content, but so far I think it's a very good article. I have no objections now that we've sorted out where Roosevelt was during the eruption. Mscoree (talk) 01:48, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Tripolitania
"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 01:07, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

List of Presidents of Chicago
Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 01:14, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Republic of Normandy
By that Mysterious Guns Fellow.

Great Lakes Union
02:09, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Doesn't this infringe on the Republic of Chicago? Also, how can you have a huge union directly outside the line of no life?

~ Giant Guns template

I don't think it does, as Chicago is in Illinois, which this state does not occupy.

I will admit, I do think some of these nations are rather large.

"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 02:14, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Ahh. fair enough.

But, yeah, but large, no?

~ Giant Guns template

I actually agree. I was thinking of a Canada-US split soon. Also it's not all that close to the no life zone.

02:22, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Roman Empire
"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 02:35, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Crimea
"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 02:35, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Article by Mscoree (talk).

Article by Mscoree.

Article by Mscoree.

Article by Mscoree.

Article by Mscoree. Under construction.

New Afrika
Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:24, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Seldom will you hear a person working on the TL say this, but that state is too small to logically support so many people. Have it expand more in the region - many states will be in disarray anyway. A good deal more land on the coasts is pretty much on the cards. Plus maybe look into adding an eagle or lion on the flag too - to show their past heritage. Imp (Say Hi?!) 12:47, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Yes sir. And I think I have just the flag for them. :P Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 03:01, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Sonoran Tribes
Under Construction. Yawgmoth, Lord of the Wastes

Fezzan
"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 01:45, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Azeropedagon
Made by Dax, nearly complete.

Al-Maghreb
Made by Daxus, abandoned.

Malagasy Empire
Made by Daxus, still in progress.

Republic of Cuba
Created by LightningLynx89

Japan
-Kogasa. Imp will assist as co-author.

Prime Ministers of Japan
-Kogasa

I would like to assist with Japan's articles. I can write the page for the Pacific War. Mscoree (talk) 16:49, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I think Kogasa should give his opinion on this. I would be fine, but I would ask you to refrain until more of the work has been laid down lol. :)  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:58, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Indonesia
Article on Indonesia. - Kogasa

Kingdom of Thailand
Article on Thailand. -Kogasa

Operation Southern Sunrise
Article by Mscoree. Still under construction but since this article basically rewords and expands content from canon articles, any objections to making canon? Mscoree (talk) 01:58, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Operation Constantine
Ariticle by That Mysterious Guns Fellow.

Attack of the Funnies
WOAH. Guns has now just gone off the chain. Guns, who has a bad habit of talking about himself in the third person xD.

Its a sign of mental instablilty... Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:47, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, because I'm totally mentally stable.

Well, I am, just with a large amount of that Toxoplasma Gondii. Causes reckless behavior in humans.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig  (Dammit, Guns!)  23:23, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

You did not spell "Humor" properly, you danged Brit! <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#700000 45%,#700000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#FFFF99), to(#FFFF99)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#0000CC" face="Helvetica">Hasta la vista,   <font color="#CC0000" face="Helvetica" title="Contributions">baby.  23:53, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

I look forward to reading some jokes. Mscoree (talk) 23:55, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

Not a Brit, lol.

Wellish. I spent a lot of my life there, but I live in 'Murica.

So my spelling is halfway.

It's aluminum, but Humour.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig  (Dammit, Guns!)  23:57, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
Implausible article by Edboy which was basically ripped off from Wikipedia and is covered with an article which is basically canon. Objections to obso? (Other than Edboy)

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig  (Dammit, Guns!)  00:30, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

This article is an OTL nation that precedes the HRE and the ice, so it couldn't be more plausible. Also it is completely not copy and pasted. Completely different template, content, and lack of links and references. Please stop harassing this article and let him write it. Mscoree (talk) 00:39, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

Never mind the above. It's an article on the USSR BEFORE the HRE came up.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig  (Dammit, Guns!)  00:38, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

Not harrassing anymore, but what Ms and I said doesn't appear to be true.

Im going to point out that a unified Russia in General is kind of Implausible. this kind of shutdown of the global economy with virtually no industrial replacements for years would essentially screw the Russians and everyone else over hence propogating Smaller indepedent states. Just like the Former US has multiple nations, so should Russia. Not to mention Russia has a large ice sheet covering its northern Reaches. Russia could in absolutely no way remain contiguous and viable. So while the HRE implausible as it is, is definitively on the right track of multiple moderately sized Russian States. The only way a large Russian State appears would be in the Far east and even that is far fetched. Id also like to point out, if Canada has been essentially abandoned, and would be multiple new republics so would Russia. So could we please stop trying for a powerful post eruption Russia, this world will be a Southern World, not a Remnant northern one.

Id also like to point out that many southern Nations would get to come into their own off this. The British Freaking Empire abandoned the home islands and Canada Essentially. Brazil and the Rest of South america could barely grow food. So any sort of large Euro States forming from this is completely out of it. Im not trying to be a dick or harrass anyone but smaller states are the way to go, Especially if ice covers them and their population cant be fed. If anything there would be almost a 500% increase on conflict throughout Asia, Africa, and southern Europe from the refugees moving south. The only reason this doesnt occur in the Americas is that the populations of the US and Canada are essentially wiped off the face of the planet removing this factor outside of Refugees taken in.

The Unchallenged Conqueror #FP (Talk to Me) 08:22, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Kingdom of Ghana (Yellowstone: 1936)
Object and I will find you and kill you.

Brythonia (Yellowstone:1936)
Yawgmoth, Lord of the Wastes

Republic of the Rio Grande
A nation in northern Mexico. Not sure if possible in this TL, but decided to create it anyway. Enclavehunter (talk) 05:29, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Southern Europe
So, I figure a lot of these pages are needed, but are not altogether integral to the overall TL (minus Italy) hencefar, and I am willing and ready to make nation profiles for each of these nations. Under each sub-header, feel free to give ideas. Thanks, <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#700000 45%,#700000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#FFFF99), to(#FFFF99)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#0000CC" face="Helvetica">Hasta la vista,   <font color="#CC0000" face="Helvetica" title="Contributions">baby.  08:59, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Spain
So far, Franco wins the Civil War much quicker, and ends up able to help Mussolini/Hitler out more in the Great European War, which ends with the acquisition of Gibraltar.

After that, think along the lines of OTL, except Franco has a son, who becomes Caudillo when Francisco dies in the 70s. The monarchy is still restored.

Italy
Mussolini and Hitler win, so Mussolini's Italy gets gains in Corsica, Malta, Albania, and Greece. The Fascist system stays in place, and much like other nations, the monarch also remains.

The government of Italy becomes extremely powerful as a result of climate changes, and Italy is a great place to live now.

Greece
Technically I did not make this page (ShadowKnights did) but I think that, with the general consensus, I can guide him along the way to make a good series of articles for Greece that match the TL in general, esp. Italian occupation.

Yugoslavia
So, when Yugoslavia is attacked in the Great European War, Tito still rises to power, and institutes a Fascist state very similar to Italy or Spain, where the king still reigns as a figurehead, but the President has most of the power. Yugoslavia will play a big role in freeing Albania from Italy later on.

What do you think of Yugoslavia staying united? I think with strong leaders (Tito and a King!) it can happen, with maybe a Bosnian rebellion in place of the Serbian-Bosnian War. TOB, I am looking to you on this one!

Portugal
TBD - Will fit in with Spain

Albania
TBD - Will fit in with Italy

Texas
Made by Daeseunglim (talk) 10:57, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Kingdom of Turkey

made by TOB