User talk:Arstarpool



Changes
Alex, welcome to the wiki. I saw your changes on the WCRB Southern U.S. article and undid them. I wanted to explain why. It's not that they weren't good suggestions, but the article is intended to be the text of a historical document in the 1983: Doomsday timeline. It wouldn't be updated like you and I update articles on this wiki. That said, the document is going to be wrong in some areas, incomplete in others, and that's fine. I wrote the article as a guide for editors like yourself to use in creating scenarios, and in TTL it showed what was known of the region at the time it was written last fall. Updating it to reflect newly discovered nations would be unrealistic for TTL; the WCRB probably will publish updates on a regular basis, but won't constantly revise the main article. To your changes: 1. please write up the Conch Republic as a proposal...and do one separately for Key West (if they're not one and the same) 2. I estimated 90 percent of people having died on Doomsday in America, but that could be too high of a number; 80 or even 70 percent might be closer to the truth 3. You might want to make sure Key West wouldn't have gotten hit by nukes, or covered with radiation and fallout from the south Florida and Cuban blasts...I'd like to read your ideas on how the region made it through, and got to 10,000 people 4. The Cubans discovered the Coke formula (which was canon long before I started here, so I rolled with it when I wrote the WCRB article), and I see no reason to have Mexicans test it... --BrianD 06:11, March 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * You've clarified well the Coke/Cuba issue. I don't remember the editor who created the Cuba article and wrote the Coca-Cola item into Cuba's history; I can only guess he was ignorant (as was I) that Coca-Cola was not distributed in any manner in Cuba. One possible solution is that as Cuba makes contact with other Caribbean and Central American nations in the 80s and 90s, some people from those countries join the exploration team (places where Coke was sold), and they confirm the taste...but Cuba ends up getting the credit. I'm fine with 80 percent, but I would ask you to run that by the other editors on the timeline. I might revise that number down further, too. Alex, again, welcome to the blog and I hope that I myself have come across well in my responses. Thank you for your contributions and for your clarifications! BrianD 07:12, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

Florida
As a fellow Floridian would you like to work on the Everglades survivor nation together? I already started a proposal for it. --GOPZACK 03:01, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Great, I called it the. I was thinking the borders could be as follows. --GOPZACK 03:08, March 17, 2010 (UTC)



I agree that it should contain more territory in the everglades but some of it will be uninhabitable due to the strikes on Homestead. Plus those cites on the coast would have survived so it's most plausible that people there would band together as one to survive. --GOPZACK 03:36, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Isent it time for South Florida to spread, I mean I think some people might of lived around Tampa and Miami from the nuked, and what about the Keys, were they nuked, I was trying to see if they got destroyed...I was thinking about making a some type of republic and then trying to reunite all of Florida, with your help and GOPZACK, I am also new at this and I'm trying to learn. Perryz101 04:38, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Yes I see...I will try and learn, and I will work on the story on North Florida, thanks I think I will enjoy this wiki.Perryz101 05:48, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking of somthing, maybe sending recon missions into the Tampa and Miami areas and finding if some type of order is in the area and maybe get the people to join South Florida.Perryz101 02:57, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

I had already written something on Tampa and Miami, and yes there are very small communities there. Please read through the Republic of South Florida arcticle and you will see what is on those areas. Arstarpool 03:08, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Would you like South and North Florida to have some type of contact with each other??Perryz101 03:10, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

How about this: In two days real time On April 10, 2010, recon groups from South Florida will be sailing through the Gulf, near North Florida, where they run into a band of fishers who claim to be from The Repubic of North Florida. Sound good to you? Arstarpool 03:14, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good.Perryz101 03:18, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Rome
Sure I'd love to help! Thank you for the opportunity. I'm going to do some research into the suburbs of Rome & I'll get back to you with a few ideas. What ideas do you have? GOPZACK 20:18, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

If I were you I'd look into a survior nation in these areas.

I actually just did some work on it. I've just been on the sidelines letting you fill it out for a bit. --GOPZACK 00:35, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Indiana revert
Thanks for the revert. I worked hard making those changes to help the "Newbie" get his article half-way presentable. He is no writer. But he wants to put a good face on his home state. SouthWriter 06:08, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Your welcome to reverting the changes. I would have marked this on your talk page, but seeing that he frequents your talk page like your his momma bird, I would not want him to get offended. "Newbie", however, is not the case, its the individual. While the rest of the "newbies" have worked towards becoming significant members of the site, Perryz has continued to have this attitude thinking that everything is alright in this wiki. For example, the very first article he made was "North Florida" stating it will be temporary until " we unite all of Florida". This was on his first day, mind you, and he thinks we are reuniting thousands of square miles in days. While I do not want to be the bully of the playground, I will state that he is ignorant, and continues to act like we are going to pop all of our little countries together any minute now. He does this again with his Indiana article, like when he wants the counties annexed by Kentucky to become "hoosiers" again. What he doesn't get though, is that other people beat him to the punch and claimed whatever he wanted first, so he comes up what in his eyes is a solution, which is usually making an article like North Florida (which I cannot believe is about to become canon). While it is none of my buisness, he seems to be kid, judging by the way he spells, and that should not be an excuse for him. If you need help getting his little articles in order, I'm free to help. Arstarpool 06:30, May 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks again. I am trying to give Perry the benefit of doubt in Indiana, since he is from there. I try not to change the meaning of his statements, but just expand them a little to add coherence. Somethings I do change things without specifically asking, like changing a threatened "excommunication" by Baptists to losing one's spot on the deacon board. I am a deacon in a Presbyterian church (not quite the same, but I know how church leadership works). I also differenciated between Independent Baptists and Convention-associated ones. I know how both work, having family ties with both.


 * With North Florida, it is a combination of my editing and Zack's continued interest with the article that has kept that alive. Perry decided that he did not know enough about Florida to continue working on that one. Back to Indiana, I think he might be able to build an article based on a city-state around Lafayette with what he knows, but he doesn't understand what this timeline is all about.


 * You're certainly welcome to go over there and clean up some grammar, and make suggestions on improving things. It will free me up to do a little work on the states in the PUSA. Have you seen what I did with Montana? I am working on the revised Constitution on the PUS article right now. SouthWriter 19:15, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Commonwealth of California
I marked it as obsolete based on comments on the article's talk page and the fact that there was support for its obsoletion on the main talk page. If you feel it still has a chance that is fine, I even reinstated the proposal template (the already has a process in place for situations when someone wants to revitalize an obsolete article). Good luck. Mitro 22:27, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * First off, I already did change it back to a proposal so I am not sure why we are still having this conversation. Second off, I followed the same procedure that has always been used when marking an article obsolete. Seeing that more than one user doubted the plausibility of the article on it's talk page, I moved to mark it as obsolete on the main talk page. After waiting a significant amount of time, and receiving a vote in support of marking it obsolete from another user, I placed the obsolete template on it. Where were you and Yank when this was happening? Both of you have used the main talk page before, did you not notice it? If either of you had spoke up when this was happening we would not have been having this conversation in the first place. Learning from this experience I will probably in the future contact an article's creator when I move to mark an article as obsolete. The fact of the matter is you your article is a proposal again, but I reccomend paying more attention to the main talk page more in case anyone has any comments or questions for your articles. Mitro 00:21, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Wisconsin
You have my permission to adopt the article. However, I ask that you keep to what is stated in the history of the Republic of Superior, and also to what I had planned in the discussion page of the Wisconsin article. Other than that you have free reign. Lahbas 04:15, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Population of South Florida
Zack and I spent a long time discussing the population of South Florida, with input from both South and Loius (South was the one who suggested a number between 50k and 100k). It was agreed that the most plausible population was 86k, you can see some of the discussion in the archives and the South Florida talk page. The article was graduated with that population level and I don't see why it should just be unilaterally changed just because you disagree. If you feel it should be changed, start a discussion and build some consensus. Mitro 01:53, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

North Florida
I noticed your comments on Perryz101's page. I just want to say that I think North Florida is still a viable nation. I agree with you that they will never reunited but as two separate nations they can still coexist and be friendly neighbours with a trade deal or something. Me and SouthWriter are still "cleaning up" the article when we can. I noticed your edit to the "Foreign Relations" section & I thank you for it. Your welcome to help us reform it further. If you'd like to make a major change mention it on my page, South's or the talk page. --GOPZACK 18:38, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Perryz101 abandoned the article. Me and SouthWriter took over after he left it for the Indiana article. Preeyz no longer has the power to wield such authority. Furthermore the article has not "outlived its usefulness". Were still working on it. Your welcome to join us in restoring it. --GOPZACK 17:06, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

I renamed it the "Republic of Gainesville" seeing as that is its capital. As for changing South Florida's name, is that really necessary?

Help
Hi Arstapool i write you to ask you if you can help me creating articles and expanding my new article Balkanized North America VENEZUELA 01:34, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Netherlands Antilles
If you make radical changes to an article in the Doomsday timeline, could you, in accordance with the QSS principle, at the very least discuss them first and give some valid reasons for the change? --Karsten vK (talk) 16:52, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, eliminating Spanish as an official language, thereby contradicting the language section of the article, seems a fairly radical move to me for one. On another note, I'd say it would have been a sign of good manners to contact the original author of an article before claiming to have adopted it. --Karsten vK (talk) 17:14, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I can understand where the misunderstanding stems from, but Xi only created it as a placeholder. I am the original author of the article. --Karsten vK (talk) 17:34, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Since this is a wiki, nobody owns an article and therefore, neither do I. I'd say overseer or supervisor would be better terms. Regardless, the concept comes down to pretty much the same thing. I don't object to people contributing to the articles I've written, but I would like to known about it and have the ability to discuss it first. In short: What were your plans with the article? --Karsten vK (talk) 17:51, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, well what you should keep in mind here is that there are some marked differences between Portugal and the Netherlands Antilles. The most obvious one being that, whereas the Portuguese government on the Azores is a true 'government in exile', the government as located in Willemstad is that of a wholly different country that has only adopted the legal legacy of the Kingdom of The Netherlands, but may not even be all that genuinely interested in the fate of the former motherland. The second noticeable difference is of a demographic nature. The Azores and Madeira (and to a lesser extent arguably even Cape Verde) are inhabited by people who talk, look and behave Portuguese. The Netherlands Antilles are inhabited by people who don't generally look Dutch (in a post-Doomsday crisis environment, I don't think one should underestimate narrow-minded racism), don't behave like those remaining Dutchmen and lastly, hardly ever speak the country's language any-more. This, I guess, would mean that, where the Azoreans et al. would be greeted as countrymen coming to restore civil order, the Antillians might very well be taken as foreign occupiers bent on some kind of opposite-direction colonialism. I don't deem it unlikely that attempts by Willemstad to create a permanent presence in the former motherland would meet with violent opposition, especially from Friesland and North Germany which hold onto the two northernmost provinces (perhaps an initial, failed, diplomatic mission to Friesland to become a constituent part of the Kingdom could be included). It'd probably be not be unlikely that a costly operation like this would, under domestic pressure, be aborted once it turns out that the Antillians are not really wanted. In short; I think a section on Antillian presence in the Low Countries would be a nice addition to the article, but that it cannot be fully be brought at par with Portugal since the circumstances are to a great extent different from it. --Karsten vK (talk) 08:37, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Gainesville
Thanks for fixing the media section, some of the crap from when Perry was in charge remains. I don't mean to be rude but for any future changes please make note of them in the talk page first. As for the population I'm going to talk to South about that, he's done some brilliant work in that area. --GOPZACK 03:59, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Costa Rica
What are you planning to do with it? I've done a lot with Costa Rica and have been writing news updates from time to time. I wouldn't mind you enriching our coverage of Costa Rica, but I would be uncomfortable if you took it in some kind of surprising direction. I'm not saying "Stay away!" - only that CR is a creation I'm still actively involved in, not one I consider "finished" (like, say, Micronesia). Benkarnell 15:51, May 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * So are you going to go ahead? What ideas do you have? Benkarnell 22:27, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

New Rome
Hi Arstapool; this isn't a really important post, but I just felt like pointing out something - you said in your discussion over New Rome that 'the guy who wrote Essex' created New London. I didn't; that was dreamt up by the creators of the Celtic Alliance, and separate from the disparate (and almost entirely unpopulated) territories Essex has in East London. As I said, totally unimportant, but I just felt like, er, clearing my name, so to speak. Fegaxeyl 16:19, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Tuscany/Georgia
Ok, so it's OK if you adopt it if am written as a caretaker (and on Tuscany too.) Thank you:

Fedelede 01:05, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Also, would you like to help me on my TL, Divided Italy?

Astarpool, you can add whatever you like on Divided Italy as long as it isn't spamful Fedelede 02:54, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Respect
I would ask kindly that you would treat new contributors with some respect. It is after all one of the fundamental issues we were debating earlier. They may have some strange ideas but don't crush their souls outright, give them a chance offer them advice don't immediately demonize them. --GOPZACK 01:10, June 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes I was referencing the Sunkist incident. As for Ocelot I agree with you and these three others that he should be banned.


 * I just find it ironic and I suppose a tad hypocritical that you say "DO NOT ACT LIKE AN ADMIN" in a rather rude fashion right after you claim that you do treat people with respect. Not to mention that now your acting like an administrator the way your flaunting power you do not have.


 * I never once claimed to be an administrator and as far as I know Brian is not one either. I have however been here longer then you have and for the collective good of the community have been trying to maintain a degree of order around here. When the Ocelot's of this wiki pop up we'll deal with them but if someone unfamiliar with the workings of this timeline makes a proposal its best to try work with them in a constructive and respectful manner. I'm glad you've worked things out with Sunkist but you did leave a pretty shitty first impression.


 * One the subject of flaunting power, I'd say you the one flaunting imaginary power. Your like hitler during the final days of World War 2 moving around all these divisions on the map that are nothing but fantasies or gross exaggerations of ragtag units. Your handling of your California article also leaves a lot to be desired as well.


 * All in all I'm glad that you intend to show a little more respect to the "newbies" as you call them. --GOPZACK 04:32, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

You accuse me of being this evil administrator yet I do not do three of the four things you just listed. What I meant by that and perhaps I did not make myself clear is that your heavy handed orders that I ought to stop "acting like an admin".

As for the California article you demand that the borders of Serra Nevada, an article created well before yours that is already locked in a bitter territorial dispute with Utah, so your article could "fit". We don't run a "me me me! Whats best for me!?" system here. We run things consensus not on what the "Newbies" (which quite frankly you still are) want. --GOPZACK 20:27, June 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * It has been stated that non administrators have the power to graduate articles. In fact, we are all technically equal just some have the power to block people and such. Still I think your making a much ado about nothing over this issue. All I asked that you treat those who are newer then you with a little respect. I was hoping you'd understand but clearly thats not the case.


 * You can be here longer then other newbies and still be a newbie. Also you seem to take offence to the word "newbie" as if you claim copyright over it. --GOPZACK 22:54, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

East Caribbean Federation
If you have any problems with the East Caribbean Federation article raise them in the talk page don't just arbitrarily change it. GOPZACK 22:58, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi, I created an article call Kuban People Republic but I dint' put (1983: Doomsday) in the name how may I or you put it? Please, Answer. Thanks VENEZUELA 01:46, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! Arstapool VENEZUELA 01:48, June 8, 2010 (UTC) jajaja gracias

I have another question, how do I put the small flag like in a list? (like in your user page) thanks.

Georgia
Georgia (caucasus) is still on adoption, because I would like to adopt it. VENEZUELA 02:17, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Venezuela, I offered that to Astarpool... and he adopted it. I don't know if he put it on adoption again, but if I know, my adoption offer is closed... Fedelede 02:21, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Arstapool thank you! may I eliminate the Caucasus Alliance and created the seceding republics like Ossetia? VENEZUELA 02:23, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Anthem
Sorry to ask, but what is the tune of South Florida's anthem, is it the same as the US, it would seem very close.---Sunkist- 19:17, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

USSR and GEORGIA
Hi Arstapool, I change the Georgia article and propose some ex-ussr republics in the 1983 talk pages. VENEZUELA 00:08, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Cornwall
Hey, I was thinking of a nation in England, Cornwall and Plymouth, Ive looked over and over again if these sites were nuked, none I have found. If you would like to help me on this project, please tell me.---Sunkist- 03:57, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Seems like alot of culture in the Cornish people, and seeing that it would be the majority ethnic group in both Cornwall and Devon, it would be somthing of the Cornish Language.---Sunkist- 04:11, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking, "An Republic Kernow" in Cornish, or in English. "The Republic Of Cornwall".---Sunkist- 04:23, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Fixed.---Sunkist- 05:46, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Plymouth was destroyed, HMNB Devonport, gotta cut this city out.---Sunkist- 05:58, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Caucasus
Hi Arstapool, may you help my with the Caucasus countries in 1983? please. VENEZUELA 20:32, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Georgia, Azerbaijan, and you may create Armenia. VENEZUELA 21:07, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Adopting articles
FYI, the state that we usually wait until an editor has been missing for 3 months before we try adopting their article(s). Navi was recently active on May 30 so his articles really do not apply under the current guidelines. Granted it doesn't hurt to ask, but its likely that editors who are still active will not look kindly on someone trying to "adopt" their articles. -Mitro
 * I know you messaged Navi, my message was in regards to that message. As I stated we usually assume that active editors will not give up their articles for adoption, hence why I suggested you should only ask editors to adopt their articles after a long period of inactivity. In the past some editors have become irritated when others asked to adopt their articles, even though they were still actively working on them. It was only a friendly warning. -Mitro

New Article
Hi Arstapool have you seen my new articles? VENEZUELA 21:37, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

In which ones? VENEZUELA 21:41, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

World Heritage Sites
Hello, Arstapool, about the thing of the "UNESCO": the number of sites of each country is of how much the country have, not about how much powerful it is, Lebanon has all the ones in the "UNESCO" that have in OTL the same with Venezuela, and this is an alternate history in which you can add more sites to a country than the OTL country have. And also please add some in Australia andAfrica and maybe Europe with their photos in the galleries, thank you. VENEZUELA 20:29, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Arstaropool thak you for adding some sites in Asia! VENEZUELA 01:00, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Hi Arstarpool, might I be in charge of this article? VENEZUELA 19:20, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

South American World
I deleted South American World, and I change it to Perez Jimenez's Venezuela, in which I glorify Venezuela, but in a form in which could happened in OTL, with dictator Perez Jimenez, here I put you 3 links for knowing more about him and Venezuela at the time:

A Time Magazine From 1955

A video

A video

Arstarpool have you already seen my timeline, what do you think?VENEZUELA 00:47, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Hey I create a new article which have countries and I want to put the flag but small like in your user page, and it's dificult so may you put some, please, the article is 1968 Olympic Games. VENEZUELA 02:32, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Delmarva
If you've taken over from FX on this article, could I help you with it? I'm a resident of Northern VA, and know a lot about the Cheseapeake area. BoredMatt 22:12, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

K dude, thanks. I'll wait for FX though, I dont wanna piss him off.

Cold War
Ok, perfect, but I read on it that I must ask someone, but because you ask me, I'm already on it?VENEZUELA 00:09, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Prof's Doomsday
I'm not stupid, haha, I know not to write in the first person. I figured, this seemed like a new thing within the Doomsday canon, so why not to try to work on it collaboratively? I don't know if anyone is going to accept this yet, so I figured: I have to make my point first or else this is never going to be accepted. Plus, I can't do this article alone, this encompasses most countries. ProfessorMcG 03:07, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Doomsday Questions
I don't know how to make the maps that other people use to show where their country's are. I also wouldn't know where would be an okay place to put the country.

Ownerzmcown 17:32, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Also, does the country have to have been founded in 2010, or can it be founded like in the 90's or 2000's?

What about a country in Eastern Germany?

You a Tom Petty fan? BoredMatt 00:16, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

I just thought of something brilliant, what about a country in the Balkans, I plan to call it New Kingdom of Macedonia. What do you think, can you make me a map for it? Ownerzmcown 10:27, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Should I just start on it or wait for the map? Ownerzmcown 13:59, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

San Marino
I would love some help, do you think the story works?--Sunkist- 17:44, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

I think you might of taken that wrong, " San Marino is trying to find diplomatic terms with Tuscany, and Venice" meaning trying to set up a embassy and trying to become close allies, or I might of wrote out that section out wrong, but yes I do want Tuscany and San Marino to become best buddies. Also I should list the farm land they took around San Marinos borders, alot of cheese and wine there!--Sunkist- 17:58, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

So, do you have any Ideas?--Sunkist- 20:10, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

OK, I believe I'm ready for you to show me the map. Remember to erase this as soon as you can. Fedelede 01:47, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

I think there is a much larger population.--Sunkist- 01:55, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

I think thats a great Idea, I've just added the three main citys to take, they would allow San Marino to get to water.--Sunkist- 19:40, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Seeing as Tuscany is on the same page with San Marino agenst Sicily, I was seeing if we could form some type of Italian Peninsula alliance, we would also need Venice to jump with us to.--Sunkist- 21:11, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Well if we can, I already have a flag made.--Sunkist- 00:14, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Do you know who runs the Venice page?--Sunkist- 00:24, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I don't mind, and I would love too :D, Also ,would you like to get started on the Italian Alliance?--Sunkist- 05:07, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Mexico
They enter War with USA, although they were loosing, Germany after wining in Europe help them in North America, Mexico win the war and after a treaty USA give them their lost territory as Germany promise them in the Zimmerman Telegram.

Hawaii and Alaska independence was given after a treaty with Japan at the end of WW2, with Japan's excuse of free the Inuit, Hawaiian and other indigenous people from the american oppression, the real motive was to have more puppet states. VENEZUELA 22:42, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

I know, but Japan did the same in China in OTL they said that the Chinese were oppressing the Manchus, and made Manchukuo and independent state, Japaneses don't liked America and they would happily have more puppet states and make USA to lost more territory.VENEZUELA 22:59, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Remember that here Japan won the war they never returned Manchuria, and here like in OTL Japan invaded The Aleutians Islands, if they win they would possibly countinue until mainland Alaska and stablish a puppet state with a puppet goverment.VENEZUELA 00:16, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Central World
Hi do you like my idea of turning Central World in a community project, and if you might create an article for it, also: why don't you create a poll in the community project discussion with all the propositions.VENEZUELA 01:44, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

China
Hey Arstar, I was wondering if you were interested at all at restarting the whole PRC rump state? If you don't mind, I'd like to have a crack at it.--Vladivostok 06:48, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. Well, I won't bother you if you want to flesh out your newly created article, as I really liked the PRC that was created. With a few tweaks, it could have been a good article. That said, please, by all means continue writing the article you started.--Vladivostok 14:12, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Central World
Hi Arstarpool, In central world most of African countries are independent, except German Colonies and Italian colonies, so I wonder I give independence to German Africa or remains German? please answer with your opinion VENEZUELA 22:33, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Macedonia
Yo Arstar, wassup, I created my own 1983:DD page a few days ago, its called the Kingdom of Macedonia, visit it and tell me what you think, much appreciated Ownerzmcown, 1:56, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I have good news, I know a lot of people have been arguing the ethnic problems of Macedonia are underextended, but I solved that problem, check out the page and you'll see OwnerzmcownOwnerzmcown 01:56, July 1, 2010 (UTC) 1:56, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

How does your nation enter the League of Nations in 1983:DD, do I have to go over it with someone, or do I just say it is and it becomes an official member if/when the page is ratified? Ownerzmcown 02:44, July 2, 2010 (UTC), 2:44, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Cold War
Haha I started the Nuke War because of all of the s*** that was happening. I knew people would wind it back, and guess what? I only get more people for the WP, yessssssss. ProfessorMcG 02:19, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Kuban and Don
Hi, Arstarpool I see that you turn this 2 articles in obsolete? why? if it's about the things that Lordganon put I already fixed them except the map which LordGanon is actually creating. Please don't turn it again obsolete because all the errors were fixed and the suggestions added, and the map is under creation, just let them in proposal and time will decide if people doesn't want them. VENEZUELA 01:08, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Hi with the help of Lordganon I changed the maps! VENEZUELA 01:21, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but remember that the survivors can get out of the ashes, they were farmers they don't need help from Russia which would be the inhabitable, in the roman times, a giant fire ocurred in Beirut, then an earthquake and later a tsunami all in the same day, and look Beirut is a wonderful city today. VENEZUELA 02:13, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Yes but remember that most of this places in the Caucasus weren't nuked, and the people in the county although they were affected they survive at least some 100 that will create the new nations like their ancestors did millions of years ago, based from what the survivors know and remember and from the remaining technology, like the tribe boys in Mad Max. VENEZUELA 02:35, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

HEY, STOP WRITING THAT GIGANTIC BIG LIES, BECAUSE I'M NOT USING DIFFERENT IPS SO PLEASE STOP SAYING GIANT LIES, OR I'M GOING TO BLOCK YOU. Dafg 18:51, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

He's my best friend and he is on my home today, in Venezuela we are starting vacations, he was voting for me in my house, so this would be the only one that would not be true, because I say to him to vote for me, and we were using my computer, also if you see his history he's playing map games long before today, I'm not using different IPs if you want you may see the poll history and discover that I din't create puppets. VENEZUELA 18:59, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

If you don't agree let's do this, you do a poll in each one, and people decide if they canon or turn obsolete, ok? VENEZUELA 03:03, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Hey let put it like proposal and let make people comment. VENEZUELA 19:08, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Like this: What should happen to Armenia? Be canon Be obsolete continue proposal ok? Might you do it now? VENEZUELA 03:13, June 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Polls are notroiously inaccurate. The best place to discuss an article's status is on that artlcle's talk page. Further discussion, especially when it nears graduation, can be made on the general talk page under "proposals.' SouthWriter 19:45, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Arstarpool Delmarva is very near Washington DC, so why there can't be Caucasus States. VENEZUELA 23:27, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * And of what size do you think this countries are THEY HAVE MORE THAN 400 KM THE DISTANCE OF WASHINGTON DC TO DELMARVA so they can survive. VENEZUELA 23:34, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey I'm not VENEZUELA I'm just at is house, so if I want to delete it I can, ok?!Dafg 00:33, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, I want to know when the "election" will finish. VENEZUELA 17:41, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Arstarpool I want to know if I can already put them canon, because in the questions Lordganon, Vladivostok, and me have put no. VENEZUELA 23:58, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * ok, and Azerbaijan or Armenia? VENEZUELA 00:03, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Dubuque
No thanks on your proposal. The only reason I cared about my article was because I have been to Dubuque and it personally held interest for me. Now I'm crusade my ass off to create a new community project with new admins so more people who are new here can get a voice. I don't know how long you've been with this site, but the relationship between older admins and newer people can be a little ass-ish and I want to change that and let new people have fun. ProfessorMcG 02:29, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Arstar, I thank you for your help but can I help you a little bit? Here's what's been bothering me. I used the word admin in my sentence. And by the word admin I meant person who usually was the most active in preserving the continuity of the timeline. It's a simple word. Why do you have to always contradict what I'm saying? This goes for saying with a lot of people on this website. We are all here typically because this falls into our personality but why do you always have to prove me wrong? It's a simple word, I understand your need to prove your intelligence. I need to do that too :) but it makes the other person feel stupid EVERY time they talk to someone else. And that makes them resent conversation with other people, that resentment can build up and make people act like an ass, like how I'm acting right now. Just a word of advice, hold back that one little jab to prove your supremacy. I sound patronizing, but I'm trying to help :) OK? ProfessorMcG 02:42, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Map
Hey Arstar, I was wondering what happened to Siberia on the current map in the World Country Profiles. Because they lost the entirety of the Ural Territory for some reason and I'm guessing that was a mistake.--Vladivostok 11:01, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Adminship.
Yes, in fact. I say "they" and not "I" because I haven't worked with you directly as much. By the time you joined the site, I was already starting my gradual decrease in activity. But the feeling is that you've shown disrespect toward other users, including quite recently - you and Zack had a recent exchange over that issue. This is a big deal because banning or even threatening to ban somebody unfairly can really hurt the community. Since you seem eager to step up and help, I am inclined to give you rollback rights ("Constable" rank), which increases your ability to revert vandal edits but does not include banning rights. Benkarnell 17:27, June 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * No, I don't mean you've threatened to ban anybody. I mean that disrespectful behavior is far worse when done by an admin because of the banning powers admins have. Since you're willing to have it all displayed publicly, here are the comments:
 * Mitro: "Arstarpool just comes off as way to pushy, especially since he nominated himself for the job. Also he has been warned about his attitude toward others before (http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Arstarpool#Respect)... As an admin he will be dealing with a lot of new users and the last thing we want is an admin with an attitude problem scaring away new editors. Still we should give him a chance as a Constable and see what he does."
 * Louisianan: "But I'm definitely not in favor of Arstarpool... and I'll side with Mitro on his views of the two of them."
 * Karsten: "Concerning Arstarpool: I'd indeed hold off making him an admin. He surely is a prolific member, but that in itself doesn't necessarily makes him a proper admin, but making him a constable won't hurt. As long as credentials and motivation are okay, I'm largely fine with self-nomination though."
 * As for me, I didn't feel qualified to discuss your qualifications since I hadn't had much experience with you directly. I disagreed with Mitro/agreed with Karsten that the act of self-nominating is not by any means a bad thing, but that was the extent of my comments.
 * Consensus is pretty clear. I can constabulatize you now while I wait for final word from some of the others on the Main Page discussion. Benkarnell 17:43, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Arstar, now I see you going after all the others - like I said, only Mitro mentioned the self-nomination, and the rest of us saw this as no problem. This sort of defensiveness is, quite frankly, not a good leadership quality. Since you're obviously interested in contributing in a leadership role, I will give you rollback rights now. Benkarnell 17:54, June 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * At this point it's just the rollback, not the suite of powers that admins have. The full list for all groups is here: Special:ListGroupRights. Benkarnell 18:31, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Bangladesh map error
I was totally embarrassed by that error. If you would check the article again, you will notice that I corrected the error.

Yankovic270 04:10, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Changes to article "without permission"
Minor errors are one thing, but changes made to prevent "problems" should be first discussed with the author of the article. I will concur with your changes to the "Communism in Asia" section of my article on the USA, since that section does tend to set the tone for articles not yet written. However, in establishing the USA in Asia, I must present what I feel are the logical consequences of the alternate history.

India became a democracy in OTL, and I see no reason why it could not in TTL. Likewise, it has pretty much been decided that the French could not hold on to its colonies after World War II. Your version of that paragraph, though, leaves more "wiggle room" so I will leave the changes. Perhaps it will speed the graduation of the article. :-) SouthWriter 06:32, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

RE:World Country Profile
Thank you Arstar, but I've been actually meaning to talk to you about that. You as well have done a good job of discussing new articles, graduating them, as well as putting the discussions into the archives. However, when graduating to canon new nations, you should also add them to the World Country Profile. That makes for a more cleaner transition. Oh, and did I perhaps miss a nation or two?--Vladivostok 07:24, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Commonwealth
Why are you eliminating the Commonwealth Members? VENEZUELA 01:31, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

I think that ones should be add, if you want yo might eliminate Cascadia. VENEZUELA 01:39, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

I think Canada, ANZC, and most of the pacific islands (most ANZC associated states) would be members. VENEZUELA 01:57, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Well, Andrew is the legitimate monarch, and Canada still recognizes the monarchy, so I don't see why not? The Canada page says they didn't have any contact with British Monarchy until 98 with Queen Anne of Cleveland, but Andrew I believe visited Canada last year.Oerwinde 07:03, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Calthrina write in my talk page and say me that I speak english bad, that I organize articles horrible, that i need a more professional vocabulary, and that I need English classes!!!!!!!!! VENEZUELA 02:47, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Why?
Why did you send a report on me? I may do unreasonable actions, but I was just lifted off a one-week ban, and I think we should see how my behavior runs along throughout the rest of the day. --Catherine 20:03, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. And also, isn't the TSPTF the administrative staff of the site? --Catherine 20:24, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

What! I apologized to Fedelede and Tubiguy, as well I am revoking my comment. I mean no harm! If you say that I do, then.........then. I don't know how to please you anymore. --Catherine 02:46, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

I am apologzing to those people, I have apologozied to Fedelede and Tbguy, I will issue a offical revocation of my comment, ProfessorMcG said no harm against it, for god's sakes man, what more do you want a person to do? --Catherine 02:48, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Seriously Arstar, what has gotten you so riled up tonight? I ask this honestly, because you have never acted this vehemently before. ProfessorMcG 02:50, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

I accept your offer. Why I might be a older user then you, you clearly have the proper authority. 10:59 ESTM? My time is Mountain Standard Time. Can you give me a estimate of when my Day ends on my time? --Catherine 02:53, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

You were granted rights before I was. I was here, as a registered user, at least two months before you arrived. How come you are part of the Taskforce? --Catherine 19:11, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

I can't believe she actually asked that. Anyway, she called XterrorX a heathen racist who will burn in hell for believing in monkey evolution so I banned her for 1000 years.Oerwinde 20:52, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Wasn't today her "Rude Day"? Sorry for jumping in like this, but after reading the argument a bit, wasn't this the case?--Vladivostok 20:56, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Arstarpool gave her a rude day. I told her if she had three strikes. She used her third and is gone. I doubt anyone will miss her. Her antics disrupt the entire site. The week she was gone was fantastic.Oerwinde 21:13, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Norfolk Island
Yeah sure go right ahead! --GOPZACK 21:02, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Costa Rica
You live in Costa Rica? Nice!! BoredMatt 22:14, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Zululand
Hi Arstarpool might you do the civil war part of my Zululand article and I see that you live in Costa Rica and you lived in Colombia, so I wonder have you visit Venezuela? VENEZUELA 01:08, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Also If Yankovic led me do the Association might I put Taiwan? VENEZUELA 16:45, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Also I'm not going to change the article of CSTO just I'm gonna put the flags, ok, just for you to know. VENEZUELA 16:48, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Macau
I love the idea of working with you. I've read your articles, and I like your work.

Yankovic270 19:54, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Why would the independant nation of Macau call themselves a "colony"? It makes no sense.

Yankovic270 02:07, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Answer to your Question
No. It isn't a picture of Knuckles the Echidna. It is a piece of Fan Art depicting parody artist "Weird Al" Yankovic as an echidna. It combines two of my favorite things: Sonic the Hedgehog and "Weird Al" Yankovic.

Yankovic270 02:04, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

No. I am not. I believe that the "back to basics" style of StH4 is a mistake. I had gotten quite fond of the expanded cast of characters. I am of the school of thought that says that you need more than two characters to make a good story. The fact that SEGA fucked with the cast the way they did makes me so pissed.

Yankovic270 03:10, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

That still doesn't excuse the fact that they are eliminating some of the most popular Sonic characters in the series. I like Shadow. I like Knuckles. I like Amy. Why the hell can't any of these charcters be in the game. The fact that some of the more recent games aren't that well-recieved doesn't mean you should effectively reset the series to its roots. In my mind the guys at SEGA majorly fucked up this one. Sonic the Hedgehog 4 is, in my opinion, as big a mistake as New Coke or making Greedo shoot first.

Yankovic270 05:20, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

As mistakes like New Coke andVW's discontinuing of the "classic" 60's style Beetle haven proven that change for change's sake only never ends in anything good. As far as I concerned Sonic the Hedgehog 4 is yet another example of that rule.

Yankovic270 05:32, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Association of Southeast Asian Nations
I've given 'Zuela full permission to edit the article. You can get off his case about it now.

Yankovic270 03:01, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Republic of Somalia
I noticed that you've removed the "proposal" tab from my RoS article. Does that mean it's now canon?? Verence71 20:13, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

OTL vs TTL (or ATL)
I've noticed that you have been confusing "OTL" with "TTL," or in general "ATL."

In this wiki, OTL means "Our Time Line" - that is the real world in which we live. TTL means "This Time Line" - the alternate time line (ALT) under discussion. For instance, you ask in a comment, "How would this be in OTL?" In context, "our time line" could mean "the time line we as a group are working on," but that is not the definition generally accepted on the wiki. Another way some editors refer to the real world (OTL) is "here" versus "there" for the ALT in question (TTL). SouthWriter 12:45, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

Virginia-Florida relations
There could be an economic and military deal between the Floridans and the Virginians. However, this requires the Floridans to join the Dixie Alliance. Economic and military support are just some of the benefits of membership. Members also get special deals in certain goods (such as munitions and vehicles).

Yankovic270 00:07, July 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Starting to look like role playing again, Yank. The surviving population of South Florida is much more likely to seek relations with the Bahamas, Cuba and the rest of the Caribbean island states than a far off land-locked (until recently anyway) alliance.SouthWriter 05:41, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Superior/Ontario/Canada/Saguenay War
So since you're apparently the caretaker for Superior (holy crap, is there an article on here you're not caretaker for?) I figured we should discuss the changes that need to be made regarding Ontario. The revelation of a large survivor population in southern Ontario would likely change a lot. I posted a lot of my thoughts on the Canada and Saguenay War talk pages already.Oerwinde 08:45, July 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Its two over here as well. Anyway, I was thinking that with Canada controlling most of the St Lawrence, at least until the St Lawrence raiders started stepping up, Canada could have had some presence in the great lakes region. I figure they could have had an outpost in Kingston, that they lost contact with following Saguenay funding the St Lawrence raiders and essentially cutting off any travel upriver. Ontarian states would likely be centered around Midland and Kitchener, and London, with London being an urban center in the middle of a large agricultural area, Kitchener same thing, and Midland being a vacation town with accomodations for like 10x its actual population(being an ideal place for refugees from Toronto and North Bay to settle). The Midland area is part that is claimed by Superior. I figure if we want to keep it as close to established canon as possible, have it largely be unorganized, and Superior troops add a welcome bit of stability, resulting in them joining Superior, they feel marginalized though, and maintain their Canadian identity, so when the Saguenay war reaches full swing, you have massive civil unrest in the area. Unrest requires Superior to pull troops from Gaspe to keep order, allowing the Canadians to swoop in and liberate it. With Superior pulling back and Saguenay on their own, the newly revamped, due to the Canada First Party, Canadian forces sweep into Saguenay, then move upriver to the great lakes along with Celtic Alliance allies. Once in Southern Ontario, the Canadian Superions give aid to the Canadians, but having their supply lines so long and having to occupy Saguenay strains resources. Saguenay unconditionally surrenders, but Superior and Canada are more evenly matched, Superior only being pushed back due to domestic pressures. So the treaty between Superior and Canada results in Canada's recognition of Saguenay, and recognition of Superior control of Ontario territory from Sault St Marie west, in exchange Superior cedes all Canadian territory from Sault St Marie east. Canada then establishes a Special Administrative Division of Ontario, basically a governorship, encompassing territory from Kingston to east of Sault St Marie. This would be a mostly autonomous region that answers to Canada, with the SAD government responsible for re-constructing infrastructure and regaining a sense of order in the region. Once the SAD reaches a minimul level of order, it will be graduated to Province status.Oerwinde 09:48, July 11, 2010 (UTC)OntarioPolitics.png

The Virginians have a port, so the South Floridans can be the navy state. Of course, there are no official ranks, the member states are all equal. Besides, the Virginians are working at purchasing/building their own ocean-borne navy, but are not having much progress.

Yankovic270 16:07, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Turkey
I've added some of the requested edits. Are there any more objections to graduating my Sultanate of Turkey article? Caeruleus 16:49, July 11, 2010 (UTC)