User talk:Yankovic270/Archive 2

Illinois
I want to create a rival/enemy nation to Vandalia in Illinois with your help. We've had two of our nations work side by side (Hainan with Macau and Ithaca with Binghamton), now I think we should create two warring states. Reply soon. Arstar 06:51, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I was thinking of something a little more north or west, but this will do. My research abilities will be limited since I am forced to run my computer in safe mode due to what appears to be a worm virus eating at my computer. But I still managed to come up with another potential spot for a second rival, the city of Eureka. Eureka will be a completely-raider-run dictatorship. But what will Decatur be? A democracy which just doesn't like Vandalia, or a raider state/dictatorship as well? Arstar 20:25, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Beautiful. So they will be rivals at first, but they set aside their issues to take down Eureka, which could possibly be much stronger than expected, and before they know it Kentucky and the QCA get called in. So you gonna make Eureka or Decauter? I'll make whichever one you don't pick. Arstar 20:38, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

That's great. I like that idea. By the way did you know Ronald Reagan went to school in Eureka? This could be a good plot element for Eureka's history. Arstar 20:58, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

The Matrix
Hmm I'll give it some thought... Since we're looking into that direction now, you should have a look at the Film page, I think it's right up your alley.

KingSweden 06:04, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Barry Obama makes for a great Morpheus. It could be one of the roles that launched him into stardom too as his star power grew throughout the 1990's.

KingSweden 22:57, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, why not. To be honest, I've only seen the first Matrix and only seen it once, so I'm not up to speed with which character is who (besides Neo, Trinity, Morpheus and Smith obviously). I'll leave it up to you. Why don't you have a fictional actor play Smith? I've tossed in fictional names plenty on numerous pages, that way we don't always rely on OTL people.

On another note, I think Keanu Reeves should be a Rhodes scholar...

KingSweden 01:03, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

If we REALLY want to have fun with this, make Die Hard an English series of films and make Pierce Brosnan the hero. The first one could be set in a London high rise (with French villains), the second could be set at Barham Airport (with English soldiers trying to set free a Middle Eastern or Spanish drug lord), the third could be on the streets of London (akin to With a Vengeance) and the fourth can be a unique plot (since the fourth Die Hard sucked IMO).

If we're talking Back to the Future, one should keep in mind that the decades don't sync up quite the same as they do in OTL. By 1985, America was just coming out of a deep depression and not the perfect "the Eighties" that we had in OTL Back to the Future. Nor were the 1950's the same kind of prosperous age - they were much more like a hybrid of the the 1940's and the 1960's. So I'm not sure how you would want to deal with that.

KingSweden 19:37, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Laos
Well I asked on the main page what was going on with this article. You nor anyone else responded so I marked it as obsolete. It is nothing personal, I am just trying to get people to remember their old proposals. If you are still serious of getting it into canon just remark it with the proposal tag and move to have it graduated. Mitro 18:33, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Virginian-East British Treaty
I do like the sound of it. A kind of reverse colonialism. It'll speed up East Britains colonisation of Lincolnshire and it'll introduce it to the outside world. And its similar to an idea I had recently for latter day marcher lords. But a few questions. First can Virginia afford it? I mean, compared to East Britain its a titan, but can it really govern an area all the way across the Atlantic? Second will people living in the area be Virginians or East Britons? Third how will this land benefit Virginia and what do they have to gain? And finally, I have been wondering will Virginian soldiers really want to live in the back of beyond, thousands of miles from their family? Bob 19:14, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

I am going to need answers to these questions Yank Bob 21:33, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

Well that all seems to be in order. Lets go ahead! Bob 11:32, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

PM's of Assiniboia
I know, that was the same thing that made me write out my grandfather, and substitute a neighbor of ours who is much more active in the community. Now, I mentioned a Conservative from Boissevain who become PM until he resigns due to illness, and being replaced by Elisha Harper, who is the first Native leader of Assiniboia. Does that work out?

PS: Do you still live around Winnipeg? I'm currently going to the U of W, so if you are near, maybe we could get together over coffee or something...Tbguy1992 23:11, October 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * By the way, I think we should know our actual first names for when we meet. I think it would be kinda wired to address each other by our usernames. Mine's Tyler. Tbguy1992 15:14, October 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Of course! Its not like I have anything else to do today, so I might as well get out and meet somebody new.Tbguy1992 14:52, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Michael Sumrall
Yank, South just informed me on the Auburn talk page that Sumrall would have been stationed in the area in late 1983, the timeframe I'm using for the Auburn article, and helpfully reminded me that I needed to consult you in regards to Sumrall. I suggested he went east with the group led by the acting governor (instead of west with the Harness/White Army group), was sent by Jimmy Carter to investigate the east coast, and that is how he ended up in Virginia. What do I need to know about the man, so I can write him into the story and find a way to logically get him to the Republic of Virginia? BrianD 20:30, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Yank, thanks for letting me use Sumrall. The basic outline will be this:


 * he's a captain in the National Guard, which given Harness is a captain in the state police won't make Harness his superior :)


 * Sumrall becomes one of the leaders in the U.S. Army contingent that helps the Auburn remnant get away from the White Army


 * Sumrall becomes a high-ranking military official in Neonotia


 * he indeed, at the request of President Carter, leads a group into the Carolinas and Virginia to explore the region


 * he winds up in "East Virginia"


 * he is assumed lost by the Neonotians for years

BrianD 02:50, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * of course, he becomes President-General of Virginia.

Wabash, Indiana
I apologize, Yank, for causing you any grief. I know you enjoy your role playing. Your "masterpieces" are interesting, and have a flavor none other could give them. However, they are all largely fiction. By that I mean they are built upon very little reality and a lot of imagination. That is one way of writing, but it is not good alternative history. Alternative history needs plausibility.

Your former "buddy" (I say this because you two have collaborated, and you defended his work on California) seems to have turned on you in Virginia, but follows your ways a bit in Pennsylvania. In Indiana, he was trying to mold Sunkist's work into a version he could approve, and gave up, asking for it to be made obsolete. Given hardly any time for objection, Mitro complied. Seeing this you jumped in, reapplying for Wabash Union to be considered.

Sunkist tried very hard to make that article work, and Arstar stepped in and took over. I objected to the way he was treating the material, but to no avail. Your proposal, though it needs work, is in many ways a lot easier to work with than was Sunkist's. I think more of central Indiana would be in contact with Layafayette, and that they would not be so out of contact for so long. You have chosen to make them totally reliant on rural technology until being rescued by advanced Kentucky and Virginia. But with Lincoln you have a state becoming widely known to the whole world in very little time. It is incosistent. Wabash is much closer to advanced Kentucky than Lincoln was to any known nation or state.

Again, we each have our writing style. But as you may have noticed, your projects tend to draw a lot of criticism. I figure "what happens in (West) Virginia, stays there." But your moving into other places to build still more fanciful creations (I see you want a "reverse" colonization in the British Islands) seems a bit of a stretch. No offense meant, but show a little restraint, okay. SouthWriter 20:58, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Don't drag me into this South. I made my worries known at the Virginia talk page. I used a bit of stretched government control in North Penn but that was more than a government monopoly than a dictatorship. Yank does role play, but South, remember his, um, condition. That might be a "coping mechanism" for him and everyone has something like that. But Indiana was basically Sunkist not changing any objections asked to be changed and then asking for it to be graduated. Canon said otherwise even, especially info on the Superior history stating the state was full of nomads, and I tried to change it into a union of certain city-states formed sometime recently. But Sunkist went and reverted all my changes only keeping one, and technically he kicked me out of the article soon afterwards as noted on my talk page.

On another note, I think Yank understands my two cents on Virginia, and we have worked on multiple projects together even after a big fight we had a while back related to Virginia. I can work with Yank, and other than Virginia and Lincoln I don't have a problem with his articles for the most part. If Yank said he did not want to work with me anymore I would have to respect his decision, but don't go saying things you don't know South, I.E. "I've backstabbed Yank and me and him are no longer 'buddies' {C}anymore". Everyone has to disagree every once in a while, and this is where I have played that card to the table. Arstar 21:26, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Die Hard/Middle East
On the Alternate Destinies page you can see what my thoughts on Die Hard were under "Richard Gere." I'll make a franchise page a la Martin Jones later.

Also, we need to hold off on Middle Eastern AD's until I've figured out what exactly I want to do with that region - I've ignored the Arab world for a reason, because I haven't figured out how to make it work quite yet.

KingSweden 23:42, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

So you're thinking of Saddam as a Yakov Smirnov-style comedian?

KingSweden 02:02, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Yank, I've gotta say, you've made some good contribs to Napoleon's World - but Charles de Gaulle is by far my favorite one you've done yet. Couldn't have done it better.

KingSweden 06:12, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

Fifth Anglo-American War
Judging by your edits on American Republic, would you like to become a contributor? Bob 19:47, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Riel's Canada
Alright, here it is. Now, if you have anything you can do to fix it up, go ahead, as this is a joint project. Hopefully this is good enough to help establish the idea! Tbguy1992 02:16, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, A meeting on Tuesday won't work... maybe the Tuesday after that, unless something comes up? (It's starting to get busy with university and all...)Tbguy1992 04:03, November 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * All I can really say Yank is that if I have time, I'll try to be there. If I'm at the St. Vital Center at the Food court around 4:30, then we can talk. If I'm not their, I won't be coming at all. My schedule is starting to get chaotic, so I'm talking a short sabbatical from AH for the moment, as I'm busy and I need to work on other stuff for a while. OK? Tbguy1992 03:24, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Russia
The POD of the entire TL is Napoleon conquering Russia at the Battle of Petrograd and thus absorbing all of Europe under his reign. Thus, Russia as we know it is a part of the French Empire up until the Urals. It has always been the least-controlled part of the Empire, however, and is referred to alternatively as the "Grand Duchy of the East" or as the Eastern Department, or the Department of the East. The capital of this Grand Duchy is at Moscow, and its provincial administrative regions have local capitals at Kiev, Petrograd, Minsk, Sebastopol, Novgorod and Warsaw (I think...).

There IS, however, a Siberian Empire east of the Urals and in central Asia whose ruling house, situated at Novosibirsk (or Omsk, I think the capital changes more than once), descends from the Romanov line (fictional Tsars, since Alexander dies at Petrograd). There is also, obviously, the Empire of Alaska in north America and Kamchatka/eastern end of Asia plus Greenland.

Still, people from the Eastern Department are called "Russians" or "French Russians," and consider themselves ethnically distinct and despite numerous "Purges" have remained a powerful ethnic group where others have bene absorbed by the French-German majority.

KingSweden 23:48, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Lennon
Well, by 1956 the Anarchy was more or less over (the Siege of Liverpool is in January of that year) so I'm not sure how accurate Lennon's participation at age of 16 would have been. I've been thinking for some time to just extend Jeremy Irons' term and boot Cameron out anyways.

What's the OTL name for the head of England's military?

KingSweden 03:29, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Prime Minister John Cleese still needs a trusted military aid to help oversee the late 1990's campaigns in Scotland and Cyrene, though. Lennon could have been appointed as the head of the military by then anyways.

KingSweden 03:31, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. Sounds like a Colin Powell analogue. Let me mull it over. Lennon would be pretty ancient by modern day anyways, he may not have the energy to run the government at that point.

OR he could have taken Tony Blair's place in the '99 elections, defecting against the Whigs and beating Cleese as the Labour leader (and then being beaten by the Jeremy Irons-led Whigs in '05). This means, however, that he would have to have become the party leader before May 1999. So he would have been far more involved in the 1997 Scotland crisis than Cyrene.

What I would suggest then is that he resigns in the fall of 1997 and runs to replace a deceased MP in the Parliament, then wins the Labour party leadership almost by default?

KingSweden 04:10, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, without doubt. Neither man in such a position would be taking drugs. I never suggested anything of the kind.

Hahaa and yes, I think that's a great idea. I kind of want to get away from mimicking OTL in NW with that page though. Let's get really creative with this!

KingSweden 07:48, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Video Games and Whatnot
I think that sounds pretty reasonable. Sega would be a Japanese company, I'm assuming then? (It is in OTL right? I'm not a huge gamer). For most hated emperor, that's a toss up between Albert I (reign 1925-1939) or his successor, Edmond (1939-43), because while Sebastien (1943-1975) was hardly a saint, he is a polarizing figure in much of the world due to his differeing popularity depending on who you talk to.

Since video games came out in the 1980's in bevies, the Eggman would most likely be mostly influenced by Albert II. Maurice Napoleon has only been on the throne since 2006 so only the most recent Sonic games would feature him. I like that idea though. Check the Alaska page also, I think I have a failed game console on there.

Speaking of which, I kind of envision a three-country battle for game supremacy (and thus a much more diverse marketplace) - Japan, the US and France all putting out independent game consoles. OR what it could be is that the French Empire has more or less cornered the PC game market and US and Japan are the big console producers. What you also have to consider is that Japan is still a highly-militarized country with a Shogun and samurai order in ATL... Dunno how that affects video games.

And as for one of your ADs, I think I saw a page where Tbguy had Sarah Palin more or less covered.

KingSweden 19:31, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah that could work. Keep in mind that Albert II was much more liberal than Sebastien (his father) and inspired a much more open and free culture in France while ratcheting up the country's defense programs (ie. 1980's arms race and the Vietnam/Siam conflicts). I like your ideas for the different companies.

Hahaha and is that so? Well that's certainly ironic... If Sonic is an American game, however, I doubt it would be meant to idealize ANY French emperor. As the Cold War is still ongoing in '91 (and today), Sonic could be an allegory for the US - especially if Eggman is a caricature of Albert or Sebastien (either would work in context).

That also brings about surprising contextual relevancy for a number of other games, and perhaps even the use of video games a medium of propaganda. Royale Games makes a Fallout-like series (we really should come up with our own names for new series) in which the United States launched a nuclear strike against France. The Halo analogue makes the Covenant analogue a lot more like the French than a religious cult. Etc.

KingSweden 21:37, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

I haven't played Fallout, so I wouldn't know, but your ideas do sound very good. Have you given thought to how games such as Aftermath would be received in the US?

Having beaten Halo on Legendary more than once I agree completely. I started a Video Games page, but instead of decades (like TV and Movies have), I think we should structure it by era/generation of console.

As for your German.French exodus, keep in mind that America and France started as allies and very gradually became rivals. The 1940's and 50's were the nascent Cold War and the Bomb Scare after 1959 was the real trigger to the Cold War. There would probably be a big exodus of first generations and immigrants in that climate (a climate similar to the McCarthy era) but the more entrenched generations would most likely stay.

Considering the POD of 1812, when there was no German state, the effects would be dampened. The Russians were the ethnic group that really suffered in the aftermath of the Napoleonic Wars, and that created the Russian Exodus (which is why Alaska exists). Germans were mostly included and recruited into the French government, although there is still some resentment.

KingSweden 04:14, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

That actually sounds pretty good. They could be like an Alaskan version of Rareware (I obviously haven't been following the gaming world for quite some while). Haha I'll take your word for it, I've never played the Fallout series. If it's a French-made game, would the focus be primarily on Europe? Consider using Petrograd or Moscow as a site for the series too, since those are significant parts of the French Empire.

I'm not sure about Rommel's career as an American general due partially to the fact that the only major American conflict on the scale of WWII is the Pacific War between 1924-29. America doesn't go to war again until the Cold War police actions in South Africa in 1950 or in England during the English Adventure. He could, however, be a major player in the French Civil War.

KingSweden 05:33, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Aftermath
Damn, you really put some thought into that. I like it! Minor correction (guess I'm a stickler): Albert I started the Civil War (arguably, it's not quite that cut and dry. What in history ever is?). Albert II succeeded Sebastien. BUT I agree that any French Imperial villain would be inspired by Albert I due to his negative connotations.

Well sounds like we'll need to invent some monuments in Berlin of our own! Good work, I can tell you invested some serious thought into this. I'd put some of this on the Video Games page so you can share the wealth with everyone. I also made a page for the Jake McCoy franchise, which is a "version" of Indiana Jones

KingSweden 00:22, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, sure. You have enough material to really flesh out an Aftermath page.

If you're confused about French Emperors, you may want to check the page on the Bonaparte dynasty - Albert I came to power in the Iron Revolution and reigned from 1925-1939, and was succeeded during the Civil War by Edmond, who fought his brother Sebastien and lost. Sebastien ruled until 1975 and was succeeded by Albert II. Albert II and even more so his son Maurice Napoleon I considerably eased the authoritarian elements of French rule fromt he Albert I and Sebastien eras, but it is, of course, a single-party monarchy.

KingSweden 04:54, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

What I would receommend then is to start the Aftermath sereis in, say, 2001 or 2002 or something for the PC, with a new installment released every two years? That way the series is more modern and "looks better" (as in graphics, storyline, so on) to the average player.

Cool! That'd probably be out in New Mexico or something (you could put it around Mesa, which is the ATL version of Phoenix?)

And make a page man! Flesh it all out on a franchise page.

KingSweden 07:42, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Freedom For Scotland
Whats up with this "Freedom For Scotland" & the East American Alliance. --Zack 01:09, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. Dude, no offense but I'm not sure that would digest well with the rest of the folks and it's kind of crazy for them to intervene in another continent when there are plenty problems on their own. Also, what's up with the whole bunch of CS states (as well as North Penn, Toledo, and Florida?) on the expansion path for the EAA? Did you notify the authors? Because I know I didn't get a notification, but I'm going to keep North Penn out of this and I'll see about Florida.

Sorry if this is going to come out like a mixed message but I want you to know if I ever say something that pisses you off or offends you than you just tell me man. I know I've rained on Virginia a lot but that doesn't mean I have a problem with you in general. But please, Yank, just don't do crazy stuff like starting wars in Scotland, man, kay? Arstar 03:13, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Whats this about the Freedom for Scotland movement? no ones asked me about anything involving one of my articles?--Smoggy80 16:57, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Wabash Union
I was wondering if I could tweek the Wabash Union to work with my Indiana page. Have Wabash join with the Wayne Townships and soon with Terre Haute and Richmond - ending up into the Republic Of Indiana or Provisional Indiana.--Sunkist- 19:54, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

CrimsonAssasain
Well my first question is have you brought this complaint with the players of the game or whoever the moderator is? You should try that first, let consensus decide. Also I think you should contact Oer, he is still the admin who is supposed to moderate the map games as a whole. Mitro 21:40, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Hey
Hey Yank I need to talk to you about something. I would prefer to do it off-wiki so message me when you can. Please do respond, Arstar 22:27, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

We can chat over IRC. Message me on my talk page when you'd be ready to chat and I'll give you the link and instructions. Arstar 01:24, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

You still on, Yank? I wasn't online when you messaged me.

Arstar 18:05, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Okay since we're having a communications issue I'm just going to tell you here. One of the things was that I am advising you not to allow Sunkist to tweek your Wabash Union article as he wanted to do, because he wanted to have it join Indiana unilaterally. and the other thing...lets just say that its irrelevant now.

EDIT: See the Wabash Union talk page for my response to your message there. Arstar 07:56, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Chicago
I'm not sure why Chicago would have shrunk... I have most cities as they are today or slightly tweaked (i.e. swapping Tacoma and Seattle/Alki Bay as the big cities in my home state, renaming some cities on the West Coast, creating Covenant, adding some cities in Cuba with Anglicized names, so on, so forth).

The only time I've ever spent in Chicago was a two hour layover at O'Hare so I'm not super familiar with the city, but isn't it a really strategically located city based on its proximity to the Great Lakes, a major river and the Western frontier? Maybe it wouldn't be AS big as in OTL (maybe the 11th or 12th biggest city?) but Stephen Douglas is still an important politician and would still have lobbied to bring the railroad through Chicago (isn't that how it got its big growth spurt in the 1800's? Correct me if I'm wrong. I really don't know a whole lot about Illinois).

KingSweden 07:17, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Unifying Ithaca and Binghamton
Hey Yank. I'm interested in unifying Ithaca and Binghamton, message me if you want to discuss the idea. Arstar 20:00, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

I'd suggest that we don't go by county lines if we're going to make this Republic of New York. There's a few rivers and lakes to build solid borders by, because county lines don't make the best building blocks. Remember there's also a lot of goonies in New York like the Native American State pissing Niagara's puppet state Lockport off and than there's there raider problem with Malone, Keene, and Lake Placid. Arstar 16:58, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

So do you have any name ideas besides the Republic of New York? There's so many nations going by their former statehood names that its kinda getting a bit boring. I'm not ruling it out but I think we should hear out the other options. Arstar 04:32, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

Republic of Finger Lakes sounds like some large fast food bucket of chicken fingers to me. Arstar 05:06, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, so what should we do? I thought maybe we could name it after a town where the signing of the constitution would take place and I thought of Lisle. How does the Republic of Lisle sound? Arstar 04:05, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Or how 'bout Yorkshire, or New Yorkshire? Arstar 04:06, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Yank, are you still up for unifying them? I've been away for about almost 3 months now but I'm trying to finish up all these proposals I left in limbo. Arstar 03:57, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

College Ball
Dunno how much you follow college football, but I'm doing a poll of all the different users I regularly talk to on here to see who they'd like to see win the different bowl games this season in Napoleon's World. Whoever gets the most votes wins!


 * National Championship at the Sugar Bowl: #1 Huron Highlanders (13-0) vs. #2 Nova Scotia Sea Lions (12-0)


 * Texas Bowl: #4 LSU Tigers (12-1) vs. #10 Washington Huskies (10-2)


 * Rose Bowl: #3 Pacifica Orcas (12-1) vs. #8 Indiana Hoosiers (11-2)


 * Silver Bowl: #5 Kahokia Thundering Herd (11-1) vs. #9 South Carolina (10-2)


 * Orange Bowl: #6 Cuba Spaniards (12-1) vs. #14 Northern Apachia (11-1)


 * Peach Bowl: #20 Mississippi Falcons (9-4) vs. #17 Maryland Terrapins (9-4)


 * Manhattan Bowl: #7 Eastern New York Flying Dutchmen (11-1) vs. #18 Missouri Tigers (9-3)


 * Paradise Bowl: #11 Florida State Seminoles (10-2) vs. #22 USC Trojans (8-4)


 * Chicago Bowl: #12 Michigan State Spartans (10-2) vs. #21 Alabama Crimson Tide (8-4)

KingSweden 17:16, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Citrus Bowl: #13 Nebraska Cornhuskers (10-2) vs. #15 Massachusetts Minutemen (10-2)

Something You'll Enjoy
Batman in film (Napoleon's World)

Batman vs. Superman (Napoleon's World)

Jake McCoy franchise (Napoleon's World)

KingSweden 02:38, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Next Meet?
You know, I was wondering the same thing. Would next week at St. Vital work? My class load is better now so I won't be too rushed. Tbguy1992 03:59, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Yank. I'm just checking in for today seeing I have some free time and, how's it going? With the timeline, with the New York article, etc. Arstar 02:58, January 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Not meaning to push you, but will this Tuesday (Feb 1) work to meet at St. Vital? If not, when else would work? Tbguy1992 19:01, January 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep, sounds right. See ya then. Tbguy1992 01:58, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

well, that happens. My name is Tyler, and I'll be wearing a black cowboy hat, and I'll be sitting outside Sizzling Wok, most likely with a laptop. Shouldn't be able to miss me :p Tbguy1992 17:46, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunatly, I don't think that's possible. I'm going into my exam period now, so I'm basiclly talking a sabatical from Alternate History until after that is over. But after that I'm heading back home, so, unfortunatly, I will not be able to meet up with you again until September. Sorry, but this is not a good time for me.

TSPTF Call Out
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British Indian Ocean Territories
I've been updating my DD page on the UK, mainly adding the former British Dependancies and what happened to them after DD, i've run into a problem with the British Indian Ocean Territories. I've not been able to find anything on it on the DD pages so i've added that Diego Garcia got hit with a 10 KT tactical nuke (with it beign a US/UK joint military base that seems probable) I was wondering if the rest of the islands, called the Chagos Islands, would join with Mauritius, mainly as it only got seprated in 1965.

Does that sound ok--Smoggy80 13:02, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Ok i've changed the UK page to fit that the Chagos Islands are now part of Mauritius--Smoggy80 17:07, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Kampuchea
In 1983DD, what happens to the Khmer Rouge? Exile or does they just chill in Pursat like OTL? Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 06:09, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Mexico
That's a really good idea and it makes perfect sense (sort of like Russia's nobility being massacred if they didn't flee to Siberia). There was already a Mexico (Napoleon's World)}Mexico page, so I took your infobox from the Mexican Empire page and added it to the existing page. I'll get to work on some more historical detail on Mexico later. Thanks for the idea, I really like it.

As for Hetalia, I've honestly never heard of that show. Considering that there was no grand global conflict on the scale of WWII in this TL, you'd have to alter the ideas behind the program significantly to make it work. But you can do whatever you want with that.

24.18.245.206 19:52, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Whoops this was me ^^. I suppose in present day Mexico would be a stronger ally of America than they might be in OTL and stronger economically as well, as they likely would not have had the same unstable history. However, it still stands to reason that a conflict between the two emerging powers on the continent would have erupted - in fact, your idea of an Iturbide-Hapsburg marriage would make it even more likely, in my opinion. But you are right. A stable Mexico would likely mean a friendlier relationship between the two, perhaps even meaning a Mexican membership in NATO?

KingSweden 19:56, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

We're on the same page. The Mexican-American war as I have it is between 1839-45 - well before OTL's. I think a closer relationship, like the one with Alaska, could easily be expected. What I was getting at is that a conflict in the 1840's is a LONG time ago and that Mexico and America today could be best pals.

KingSweden 20:15, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

I think I get Hetalia a bit better now. Don't overestimate the "militarism" of Japan, its still a secular, economically prosperous country - I think a vibrant culture would still remain. I think it could be interesting for Napoleon's World to have a version of Hetalia revolving more around the Cold War, maybe? For example, it could include the Pacific War in te 1920's and then move forward as a Japanese take on the French-American conflict that emerges starting in the late 1940's and throughout the 1950's...?

KingSweden 21:11, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

As you can see, I have fleshed out the Mexico articles significantly.

KingSweden 00:22, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

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What's with all the pointless edits? Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 06:12, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Central America
I like the parameters of the country. I'm not sure they necessarily would have named the country Centroamerica, however, as I feel that may be the kind of name Americans would have given the region... But I dunno. When in doubt about Latin America, ask Katholico has always been my policy.

And I'm prettyyyy sure the "rightful" kings of Portugal were in Brazil all along during the Napoleonic Wars (Pedro I of Brazil was the son of the Portuguse king in OTL) but I may be able to play around with that. Also note that Portugal is one of the leading members of NATO and a staunch US ally in the Cold War.

KingSweden 02:49, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

I'll ask Katholico what he thinks, I can't come up with anything better either atm :P

KingSweden 18:52, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

There are quite a few articles already concerning Brazil even though there is no proper Brazil page in existence. Of note: Brazilian War, Colombia, Elizabeth Shannon. Brazil already was a military dictatorship and it was one in the 1970's and 1980's. I'm not sure when exactly that means the monarchy was overthrown, but likely a significant time before then.

KingSweden 22:08, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

That being said, there aren't any Paraguay, Chile or Peru articles yet. Chile was communist for a while (as Katholico and I decided) but no nation pages. Those are game and not places I know a whole lot about. Same goes for places in Africa such as Ethiopia, Zululand, Konga, Nigeria, Sudan/Nubia....? and so on.

KingSweden 22:09, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Rat Pack
I've started working on the influence of criminal Rat Pack on Las Vegas in Napoleon's World, but since it was an idea brought up by you and Mister Sheen, I figured I'd hold off until I got some more input on the idea from you. My idea was this: the Italian Dino Cocetti (Dean Martin's real name) and Frank Sinatra start muscling out Midwest and East Coast crime families from Vegas in the 1950's and 1960's and forge an alliance with the Jewish power brokers in the city a la Joseph Gottlieb (Joey Bishop's real name) and with business interests such as English expatriate Peter Lawford, who has connections to the Kennedy's (as in real life, both with Lawford marrying Pat Kennedy and with the Kennedys having mob connections). I'm not quite sure what to do with Sammy Davis Jr quite yet.

As a result, the Cocetti family becomes the dominant force in Vegas, take out or sell out their competitors (they'd likely have immunity from the FBI thanks to government connections they can thus use to their advantage) and Vegas would still have organized crime elements all the way into the 1990's. Cocetti's sons Craig, Paul or Ricci could eventually cripple the family through infighting amongst themselves and cause a schism with Sinatra's offspring, perhaps? I'm intrigued to hear your thoughts.

KingSweden 22:18, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thank you Yank! I appreciate that, and all the ideas you've tossed me on Alternate Destinies or elsewhere. I can only think of two I've ever not incorporated in some way, that says a lot about the quality of the input you have for the TL. I also appreciate that you ask before making edits, which is more than some users on this wiki are wont to do. Always a pleasure working with you.

Also, I recall you were interested in the non-Alt Hist wiki media for Napoleon's World.... If you send me your email, I can shoot you what I have so far on two book ideas. There isn't much, but there's still a little.

KingSweden 19:02, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

They both sound good to me!

{C}KingSweden 19:36, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Hetalia (Napoleon's World)
Hi Yank! Well, i know just a little about Hetalia (Once, some people asked me to do the voice of England for a fandub XD) And about the characters of the south american countries, i'm not sure which should be the personalities of these nations in "Napoleon's World".... Maybe I can contribute with the names. Regards! --Katholico 01:40, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Courland & potential Lithuanian Survivor State
The thing with that area of Lithuania, Yank, is that it also would have gotten tons of fallout from Kaliningrad, as winds in that area tend to go northeast. Not that the idea isn't possible, but there's a ton of issues involved with that you'll have to deal with. You could probably get away with a tiny bit - it was quite militarized and would have been dealt with roughly - of the Kaliningrad Oblast too, though.

Resurrecting the Duchy of Trakai, in the area of Lithuania south of Vilnius and Kaunas, would be a better idea, in my mind.

Either way, I'll help you out a bit.

Lordganon 17:31, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I've actually been hunting for that already, lol. Problem is, these lines are all died out or were in a destroyed city in 1983. The only names I can remotely connect that is still alive to it is Micheal of Romania, the last king of Romania, who was in Switzerland, or the ruler of my Waldeck-Hesse state. But that doesn't help the matter, for how long after the fact that would mean the "ruler" arrived, meaning it wouldn't make sense besides, nor would either go along with it anyways.

It'll have to be someone claiming to be a descendant of the Dukes of Courland in one, and the Kings of Poland (who got the other duchy through Lithuania) coming to power in both, I'm afraid.

Lordganon 18:23, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

More hunting, and still no good news, really. More stretching, searching for really far relatives of those who have had the Duchy at one point or another. The descendants of Edmond de Talleyrand-Périgord, married to an illegitimate daughter of the last duke, did indeed live into the 20th century, definitely past the end of WWII since one of them, named Napoléon, sheltered relics at their mansion from the Louvre museum during it - no idea past that, mind, or if that was the end of them or not. The claimant to the Kingship of Italy, according to research I did for Greece atl to be Prince Amedeo, Duke of Aosta, is another but with claims to both Duchies, rather than just Courland, but still very remote and with the same issues. Prince Heinrich Julius of Hanover, in Berlin or Gottingen at Doomsday, is another one for the Courland Duchy. The ruler of Swabia-Wurtemburg, whoever that may be, also has claims to both. Also found another reference that puts the Waldeck claimant to the top of the list for Courland, strength-wise.

Another claimant for Samogita is the claimant to the atl French Throne, the Duke of Orleans, which is through a couple paths and likely the strongest. The King of Sweden also holds a claim to it, and all things considered, you could stretch this to Courland too. Prince Alexander of Saxe-Gessaphe, the heir to the throne of Saxony, was in Mexico City at the time and also has a claim.

The most probable two outcomes from here are for Prince Heinrich Julius of Hanover to have Courland, and the Swedish King Samogita. The two strongest, however, seem to be the House of Waldeck-Pyrmont, heads of Waldeck-Hesse, for Courland, and the House of Orleans, heads of the Duchy of Orleans, for Samogita.

Now, I agree that is just too unlikely, with the Swede the only one being remotely plausible, given location, etc, to have it of these people within a couple of years.

As you say, the route of Bermuda is an option. So is the route taken by Japan and Spain, though I'd actually make that successful, lol. And we could always have someone claim to be a descendant and take the throne, too - all it would take would be some fake papers and publicly claiming to be descended from an illegitimate child of one of the Dukes of Courland or Kings of Poland.

I'll do pop. etc. tomorrow.

Lordganon 08:26, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Scraping the bottom of the barrel, the only other claims are the Hapsburg heir, whomever that may be, whomever the current heir to the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies/Spain could possibly be, and whoever may be the claimant to the Jacobite Succession through the claimants to the throne of Bavaria, all to Samogita.

The French claim is also further strengthened. By far, it is the strongest.

Funny how many there is for that one, lol. Elective Monarchy will do that.

Lordganon 15:43, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, they all could get there in theory. It just depends on when it happens which could do it.

Within the first couple years? The Swede, obviously.

Past that, only the guy in Berlin works until the mid-1990s, when the other European guys, outside of Waldeck and Orleans, become available. Remove Michael and Amedeo as well for other reasons.

Waldeck and Orleans - more so, their children - only in the last year or so.

But, I figure either appointing a local, a committee searching for an heir ala Spain and Japan, or a local claiming to be descended from the monarchs is the best options. I just can't see one of these guys with a potential claim actually going to the effort on their own, considering their claims being pretty slim and in light of other things. Heck, even the one guy - the mansion guys are gone, I figure - without a claim elsewhere to something better has a claim to Saxony, which is probably more realistic.

I would say go with a local claiming to be descended from a king, or appointing a local, in Samogita being the best option there, with the other one being on the table for Courland as well as those two.

Of course, my preference is for the committee myself, lol. Or just having a Swedish or Danish prince do it. Swedes have an outright, if weak, claim to Samogita, after all, and the Danish claim to Courland is just as strong as the Swedish one. Note the Norwegians are a cadet branch of the Danes, so they don't count here.

Lordganon 16:54, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

I've come up with a map base for Samogita, as well as a couple of potential capitals, for whenever you make the article, Yank. Lordganon 19:44, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll give it a whirl. Lordganon 07:15, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

Looks fine to me, Yank. If I see something wrong, I'll let you know. I should get to expanding things a touch for it later tonight, if things go as planned, too. Lordganon 00:30, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Also, any thoughts on the duke? Lordganon 00:30, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

I'd more so go with something like "Jacob II" as Kettler was the last name, which the new guy wouldn't have. As for who.... well, picking someone shouldn't be too hard. Just depends on how you want it done, though you know my preference, lol.

The article looks good, though I do prefer the original "Samogita" idea by far to the new Lithuania name - just more original, you know? Given how the Baltic is atl, the idea of these nations having some sort of alliance like that just seems kind of superfluous to me as well, given the Nordic Union is right there and Estonia at the very least has joined - and I see no reason why the others couldn't have joined at the same time, either. I will try to add some details to it in a bit.

Lordganon 07:27, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Makes sense to me that they'd be doing pretty well. They're likely the biggest port on the east/south Baltic coast between Helsinki and Prussia, so it makes sense.

How would you prefer a duke is named, and when?

Lordganon 19:49, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Heh. Now that I like the sound of. Lordganon 23:14, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

1985 is really just too soon, Yank. They'd have no outside contact but with the Nordics by that point, and I have to kind of doubt that they'd let one of those royal families take the throne, or that they'd find a local descendant. The direct, or even semi-direct, descendants of the Kettlers died out almost entirely everywhere - they weren't really the type that could have a lot of kids. Lordganon 01:18, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

More like during the war. The Soviets burned a lot when they took over, lol.

But, while that is indeed an option, it's kinda... cheap, on one hand, and too easy on another. It's unlikely that they would just except someone claiming to be a illegitimate descendant - all the legitimate ones left were in Germany at DD - especially so early on. Given the state of records, and the illegitimacy, it's almost 100% that someone claiming such would be lying, and even if not, could prove it at all. More likely they'd declare someone to the spot. Add to that, as well, that any such claimant would more than likely have been German, and they were almost all expelled in 1945.

I've thought about who would be best as the eventual candidate, and despite my own preference for one of the Waldeck children, feel that Prince Heinrich Julius of Hanover would be a good choice, starting sometime in the early to mid 1990s. By my best guess he'd have been in Berlin at DD. Maybe have him childless, at least for now, with the Waldecks as heirs since contact was made with them, or something - I recognize on that small area I'm biased, lol - but that way it's more legit and I have my guys on top sometime down the road, lol.

I'd say for Lithuania just a second/etc kid of the Swedish Monarch, unless you want the French there, lol.

Lordganon 06:23, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

Not a problem Yank, was figuring on you asking me anyways, lol. Lordganon 08:09, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

Principia Moderni
Hi. I was wondering if you wanted to be an admin for Principia Moderni. You have to remove references to Corsica first, though, as they go against the colonization rules. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 00:26, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

You can keep your small trading post, but you can't activate it as a colony until 50 years after your second colony. Also, try to coexist with LxCaucassus. Most of his edits don't require reversion, but if you are concerned with any post, feel free to leave a note. Also, I was wondering if you wanted to be able to update the map for countries other than your own. Btw first I want to see a sample map (any digital map you've made before). Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 01:49, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I was wondering if you could take over the Principia Moderni Map Game from Tuesday to Saturday, as I'm going to be without internet access. Just basically update the turn at 8:00 EST (0:00 UTC). Are you good at mapmaking? Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 18:39, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for taking over the game and keeping it going. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 20:13, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

Principia Moderni
Great leader of Vietnam-

How long have we suffered under the heel of the Chinese? How long have our people suffered from the wrath of the Ming? For far too long we have been subjugated to the Chinese, divided amongst ourselves, puppets to the “superior race” of China. For far too long we have accepted and consented to the fact that China was more powerful, is more powerful, and will be more powerful than us. That has gone for far too long, and our nation, our people are suffering. China has grown weak, isolating themselves from the world. So come, brothers, let us rise up against the Chinese tyranny, crush their armies, burn their palaces, put their Imperial Family to the sword and start a new era of peace and prosperity. Come, for divided we are weak, but united we are strong.

Emperor Kim Ji-Myung—Joseon



Siberia
Well, that Council of the LoN that they do it in atl is based off of the otl Security Council, in which that can't be done. It's an oversight, I think, but not worth changing, as there is precedent, up to a point. Technically, the Security Council otl actually has this type of power, though none have used it, because countries that this would apply to would have been blocked by the General Assembly long before getting that far, for example Taiwan. In the LoN, they'd get that far. Kinda silly, but Siberia's not actually the only one atl to have used it. With how things are, I wouldn't worry too much - that will change in the next couple years, I'm sure, given Siberian Agression. Lordganon 00:45, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

English General Election
On May 1st, the Republic of England in Napoleon's World will host its general election. The candidates are Hugh Grant of the Whig Party, and Jack Davenport of Labour. Which party should win?

KingSweden 21:06, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

Alternate History Fiction w/in Napoleon's World
I think that's a good idea, but I don't want to just make our world the template for what everyone thinks would have happened. Picture that: an Althist within an Althist!

I also thought there could be an Althist in which the United States and France actually do go to war instead of having a Cold War, or where the Alaskan War or Mexican War go differently, or so on. There are a lot of options in this TL.

KingSweden 04:07, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

ASEAN in Doomsday
As you remember, a while back you created most of the countries in Indochina, while I created Thailand and we both mentioned the ASEAN organization. Is there a page regarding this organization? I can't seem to find any. And if there isn't, would you mind if I create one?--Vladivostok 09:30, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Batman
What do you mean by derivative?

KingSweden 01:18, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Bela Lugosi
So a nutjob running around European Turkey biting people in the neck in the early 20th century? I like it! KingSweden 06:43, May 5, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, yes. He was Hungarian, you are right. Well, that all sounds just fine. I approve!

As for Mexican classical music, I've been under the impression typically that Austrian composers were at their zenith PRIOR to the time of the fall of Austria, but music is by far not my strong suit or area of remote interest. I'm going to press the DEFER button here and let you do whatever you want with that, preferably on a new, separate page. If you come up with a clever name (like I did with Peliculosa) for that particular style of music, that'd be even better (something like Mexican Chamber, w/e you can think of, that was just a suggestion).

KingSweden 15:23, May 5, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and I just thought of something - Blasko would have been guillotined (at least in real life, idk about the movies made about him) since he is in France, not electrocuted.

KingSweden 15:24, May 5, 2011 (UTC)

Map Game
Idk if i Have the time for that, this quarter's been really busy at college... sorry dude.

KingSweden 02:31, May 6, 2011 (UTC)

The Tricky Thing About Germany
Germany is kind of a prickly problem in this TL because Germany wasn't defined as "Germany" in the early 1810's when Napoleon scored his massive victories - that's why the type of German nationalism you've suggested on occasion doesn't make a ton of sense (f.ex. the mass-German exodus to America you suggested once). However, your integration of Austrian expatriates into Mexico makes a ton of sense as Austria was a Hapsburg realm as opposed to a German one, albeit a very German-centric country. The Hapsburgs would have absolutely not accepted capitulation to Napoleonic rule and that is why they set up shop in Mexico or North Africa (I still need to write that article).

At the time of Napoleon, however, Germany was divided up into numerous micro-states, most of which were united by Napoleon into the Confederation of the Rhine, and Prussia was on-and-off Napoleon's ally. Because of the strength of Prussia and their lack of belligerency, that's why I have them surviving as a minor German-speaking state in eastern Europe even into the 20th century, while the belligerent Austria gets annexed by France due to their assaults on the Empire. Most Germans were in fact aligned with Napoleon (at least the non-Prussian ones) because he protected them from Austria and managed to bring all the minor German princely states into a collaborative force in central Europe. In fact, Austria as an empire was only truly formed in 1806 with the dissolution of the long-stagnant and divided Holy Roman Empire. Thus, I don't think the kind of Germanic nationalism, as much as I love having powerful Germans around in TL's as well, would have necessarily existed due to the trajectory of the closeness of the Germans and French within the Empire. In fact, much of the grievance of the Russians in the 20th century French Empire is that the French treat the Germans as equals, while they treat the Poles and Russians like second-class citizens.

KingSweden 18:39, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure what strategic interest of the French Empire that kind of an effort would serve - HOWEVER, it may stand to reason that East Prussian interests on the African continents are fulfilled, as the nominally independent East Prussian government could establish a colony on the coast (I'd recommend that yet-unnamed strip of maroon along the west coast on the Napoleon's World global map, south of OTL and ATL Nigeria) where a lot of Poles and Germans could have moved. Since East Prussia was independent except for a 45-year period in the early 20th century, that would make a ton of more sense.

{C}KingSweden 20:24, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

I suppose the colony would probably be named Prussian West Africa or something, then in 1902 they become independent (the year East Prussia is temporarily disbanded), then we'd see that big influx of Poles during the late 1920's and early 1930's over the perceived "Polish Betrayal" (since the Poles were allies of Napoleon in the Napoleonic Wars, they'd be angry over the suppression at the hands of Albert I...?). The country could be called Neue Germania after independence or whatnot, with its capital at Wilhelmstadt or Freidrichstadt or something along those lines.

{C}KingSweden 21:04, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

No future history?
I didn't know that, persay. I can adjust the time period of 2018 to about 2002, if that's okay.

{C}-MerchantofDeath 23:13, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Slavs/Eastern Europeans
Wouldn't it make more sense for them to move to Siberia or Alaska, which is Slavic-majority and already teeming with exiles and expatriates?

KingSweden 17:32, May 20, 2011 (UTC)

Well that makes sense, that's how most African countries in OTL work. I'm not sure the French would have ganged up on the Poles quite as much as you're suggesting, as in the early 1800's the Duchy of Warsaw was one of Napoleon's most reliable allies, and by the 1940's the French Empire takes a much more liberal approach towards its ethnic minorities thanks to Sebastien winning the French Civil War. Plus, while France may be an authoritarian state of varying levels, it isn't Nazi Germany.

HOWEVER, that being said, I still think plenty of Poles would have emigrated regardless just because of how poor their corner of Europe has historically been, winding up in either America (maybe in smaller numbers than OTL) and in New Germany (where there's a large Polish community).

KingSweden 17:43, May 23, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Cohesive List
United States: NATO

England: NATO

Alaska: NATO

Portugal: NATO

Egypt: NATO

Turkey: NATO

Iceland: NATO

Oceania: NATO

Syria: NATO

Colombia: NATO

Mexico: Neutral, Lean NATO

Argentina: Neutral, Lean NATO

Brazil: Neutral, Lean NATO, FORMERLY Lean CIC

Chile: Neutral

Peru: Neutral, Lean CIC

Jamiaca: Neutral, Lean NATO

Haiti: CIC

Bahamas: CIC

France: CIC

East Prussia: CIC

Persia: CIC

Italy: CIC

Spain: CIC

Denmark: CIC

Ireland: CIC

Scotland: Neutral, Formerly Lean CIC (Connery Era)

China: Neutral, in Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, Lean NATO

Japan: Neutral, Lean CIC

Korea: Neutral, Lean NATO

Siberia: Neutral, Lean Neither

Afghanistan: Neutral, Lean Dependant on Current Government

Central America: Neutral, Lean CIC

Mali: CIC

Gangestan: Neutral, Lean NATO

Mysore: Neutral, Heavy Lean CIC

Ceylon: Neutral, Lean Dependant on Current Government

Bengal: Neutral, Lean NATO

Siam: Heavy Lean NATO

Viet Nam: Lean NATO

Burma: Lean CIC

Cambodia: Lean NATO

Nigeria: Lean NATO

New Germany: Lean CIC (due to relations with East Prussia)

Camenbal: Lean CIC

Zululand: Lean CIC

South Africa: Lean NATO

Boer Republic: Lean CIC

East Kongo: Lean CIC

West Kongo: Lean NATO

Zanzibar: Lean NATO

Arabia: Heavy Lean NATO

Cyrene: Heavy Lean NATO

Ethiopia: Neutral, Lean CIC

Sultanate of Yemen: Lean NATO

Nubia: Lean CIC

Tibet: Lean CIC

Nepal: Lean CIC

Caribbean Confederation: Lean NATO

Paraguay: Lean CIC

Switzerland: Neutral

Zion Free State (partially recognized): Heavy Lean CIC

KingSweden 20:07, May 30, 2011 (UTC)

Vietnamese Names
Most languages that were formerly used by major states have lexicons somewhere online. For Vietnamese, I would suggest vdict.com. I have used it for several months now for my Conworlds project. The general rule is if you want to name something "apple land," for example, write it as "land apple." Or for "blue peninsula" write it as "peninsula blue." The adjective always goes after, like in Spanish or French. Follow those rules and you're basically set. Also, don't worry about Vietnamese how it used to sound in the 1500s. There is a resource by Alexander de Rhodes from around that time period, but I'm not picky. Just remember "sun" in Old Vietnamese is "blời" and moon is "blăng." It makes better place names than modern "mặc trời" and "mặc trăng." Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 03:57, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Horsemen Designs
No, they're not drawings (my artistic ability is distinctly lacking), just images in my head (there's pretty much an entire multiverse up there). Why do you ask?Tessitore 22:32, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. *debates as to whether or not I'm actually going to use them myself * Okay, here goes. Death was one of those people who you can't quite tell the gender of by looking at them, although they were probably female, had the standard post-apocalyptic scruffiness going on but seemed cheerful, friendly and normal enough, until you realised that no one should be that upbeat in that sort of environment. War was an apparently young man in tatty combat gear (ie, combat gear that looked like it had been through more than a few fights) and a gasmask that rarely, if ever, came off. He very rarely spoke and despite what he represented was a good natured, likeable sort of guy with a bit of a heroic streak. He was also armed to the teeth, including a large and very nasty looking sword which was strapped to his back, and was pretty much a one man army when fighting. I never really thought of anything for the other two.Tessitore 13:57, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds okay to me. Your idea for Famine in particular seems very original, not to mention that I could see it leading to a few 'mugging the monster' moments (idiots see pretty girl, idiots harrass her, something 'unfortunate' happens to idiots). Also, something just occurred to me. Since it seems like it would make sense for the four of them to at least try to travel incognito so as to make things easier for everyone, do they have 'human' names and if not would you like me to find some (I'm a bit of a names geek)?Tessitore 14:30, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

Burma Separatism
Happened to notice you've been looking into ideas about separatism from Myanmar hehe. If you're interested I can offer support, maps and such. Southeast Asia is my area of specialty and I kinda wanted to have at least a small contribution in that area in Doomsday. Also I was wondering if you considered a Karen separatist state. I can assure that Karen separatism is much more ingrained than that of the Mons and Arakans. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 03:14, June 7, 2011 (UTC)



What do you think? Turquoise is an extension of Nagaland. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 04:58, June 11, 2011 (UTC)

I've rethought some of this. There is no logical reason Burma's government would totally collapse, but there is validity in some of these separatist movements. Now with China out of the picture, Burma would have to rely on its neighbors, India and Thailand. India is basically balkanized, but I know that India could benefit economically from the independence of the Arakan province. Despite their weakness, they could create instalments in Sittwe and Kyaukpyu which would bring extra food and other commodities into India. It also makes sense because India supported the pro-democracy movement in Burma until 1987. And I wouldn't call this a state-run affair, but more of creation of minor economic imperialism led by individuals seeking to gain a profit while at the same time keeping poorer populations in Arakan afloat, and protecting them from Burmese occupation. Maybe also Bangladesh could absorb parts of Arakan that are predominantly Islam? Idk, this is up to you, but I'm just throwing out ideas.

Also, knowing Thai-Burmese relations, Thailand would definitely continue to support buffer states such as Kawthoolei and Monland. It would lessen the likelihood of Burmese aggression, it would help "resolve" border conflicts, and generally increase Thai power in the region. Thailand would virtually be recreating its vassal empires of pre-20th century.

As for Myanmar, chances are that without a dependable ally, it would withdraw into isolation and contact mostly with Yunnan. I would put a high probability that Thailand would be the one to destroy the Burmese state. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 05:02, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Whitney/Walker
I think Whitney as a gunsmith would sound just fine. In fact, if Whitney didn't exist, then a cotton gin as advanced as OTL's may not have been invented (meaning either no cotton gin at all or just a less economic version) which may have helped explain why Southerners were more open to allowing slavery to just disappear.

As for Walker, I think having him successfully become the President of Centroamerica as a foreign-born is a lot more interesting than the alternative. Otherwise, he'd be just another dude who was the leader of a country at some point.

KingSweden 03:35, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

NU, Lithuania, and Courland
How would you feel about Lithuania and Courland joining the Nordic Union as observers in Doomsday? Would basically mean they get Nordic Protection, but don't have to go along with the Union in all regards. Lordganon 07:56, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

Yep, same deal. Will work it in the NU article when updating it later tonight. Lordganon 00:46, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

500
We have now reached 500 articles on Napoleon's World. Thanks for all your continuing support and interest!

KingSweden 16:17, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

Principia Moderni
I didn't want to suggest this out in the open, though overly nosy people can read this. I have been amping my military up for years now, waiting to attack the Mughals. I think we can get Japan to help and the Ottomans to help push them from the west. We've got them surrounded and its just a ticking time bomb before they get atttacked.

The only problem is Hanthawaddy, which both of us can grab too if they act up.

CrimsonAssassin 03:14, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

Grant, Walker and Hitler
KingSweden 19:47, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * I was thinking that Grant could call his whiskey label "General Grant's Missouri Whiskey." So when people want to go get drunk off whiskey, they go buy "General's" or whatever (sort of like when I go buy Jack, because I love that stuff)
 * Wrote an article about Walker they way I imagined things going down.
 * Good point on Hitler. I wrote that bio back when the TL was still a work in progress and Sebastien was a lot more evil than he actually wound up being. I realize now, in hindsight, that the Churat in 1950 killing somebody opposed to Albert II in 1931 doesn't make a whole lot of sense, as Sebastien would probably have filled his secret police with loyalists who also apposed Albert II in 1931.

History
I just got an internship recently so I haven't had much of an opportunity to do anything lately. When I have some more time on my hands I'll make some updates.

If you check out the different royalty pages for Mexican Emperors (and princes), however, you can get a feel for the basic gist of each Emperor's reign up until the early 1900's (I'm still working out the whole Mexican Civil War - need to do more research).

KingSweden 05:42, June 15, 2011 (UTC)