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This article is the sandbox subpage for NuclearVacuum. All sections here are only for temporary experiments and or ideas. Some information may be speculative, but under reasonable tensions. All information on here will be removed at one time or another, but not all sections here are permanent (only a few I intend to keep longer than others).


 * User:Mister Sheen/Temp

Featured timelines

 * Great White South:
 * September 2010
 * April 2013


 * New Union:
 * July 2011
 * March 2012

Saved images
Here are images I found here, and may find use for (rather than uploading new ones).

Saved links and ideas

 * Primary


 * Parliamentary Seating Chart by Hellerick
 * Russian heraldic (5) (detailed)


 * La Nueva Unión (Spanish New Union)


 * 13 Fallen Stars




 * Independent Patagonia
 * British? (more interesting IMHO)
 * States for
 * was intended to be a new Viceroyalty, but wasn't populous enough. Over time... California? Flag?
 * (colors)
 * Term lengths by state
 * 
 * New England (Disunited)
 * (Pennsylvanian state of "Dutchland"?)
 * Louisiana claims parts of Texas after independence?
 * Term lengths by state
 * 
 * New England (Disunited)
 * (Pennsylvanian state of "Dutchland"?)
 * Louisiana claims parts of Texas after independence?
 * Louisiana claims parts of Texas after independence?


 * New Union


 * as a of


 * Soviet Union Pavilion at Epcot
 * Kaliningrad Disney
 * (Democratic socialist Cuban)
 * (Spanish version says this guy is president??)
 * Red Belt (Русский)
 * Micronesia could be the 51st State (potential expansion)
 * Cuban election ideas
 * Cuban election ideas


 * Russian America


 * Timezones North America
 * Alaska once had four time zones
 * The Yukon Territory was Alaska Time
 * AHC Willardo Romney sworn in as Mexico's president (interesting idea)


 * Others


 * Antioquia (Triunfa, España!)
 * Antioquia Federal (1983: Doomsday)
 * United States Senate elections of 2010 (SIADD) (IRL Jack Johnson vs. John Jackson)

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Hooray for storytelling
Greetings to you all. Who am I, you may ask? I am just an observer of time and space. Your people have called me by many names. Zeus, God, the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Whatever you want to call me, my purpose here today is to tell you the amazing story that would eventually change your people into an interplanetary species.

Our story begins billions of years ago, but I remember it as if it were yesterday.

New timeline

 * 1962 -  Venus flyby.


 * 1966 - Venera 3 Venus crash-landing (remnants now believed to be somewhere in western Aphrodite).


 * 1967 - Venera 4 Venus landing (now believed to have crashed landed in the Guinevere Sea).


 * 1969 -  manned Moon landing.


 * 1975 - Apollo 18 manned Venus flyby.


 * 1984 - "Vega" manned Venus landing.


 * 1989 - "Mayflower" manned Venus landing.

?????????

 * Neith (neeth)

Population of New Kamchatka

 * Recent census


 * Gagaringrad (~392,758)
 * Vladivenera (~275,921)
 * New Havana (~146,807)
 * Uragansk (~87,614)
 * Korolyovsk (~52,873)
 * Total (975,826)

New nations for Venus
All states marked in bold lettering are independent nations. Nations in parentheses describe the primary government of the state. Entities in italic denote a collectivity/commonwealth. States in quotation marks describe doubt and/or uncertainty towards the name or the state itself.


 * American Venus


 * VHBuffaloflag.png (Canada)
 * Flag of the Federated States (Venusian Haven).svg 
 * Flag.svg Fortune Bay
 * Flag of New Florida (Venusian Haven).svg 
 * Flag.svg "Scientology State" [soon to be obsolete]
 * Flag.svg "Tethus"


 * Arab (Iraqi-Arabian) Venus


 * Flag of Helal (Venusian Haven).svg "" (Al-Helal)
 * Flag.svg "New Kurdistan"
 * Flag.svg "New Palestine"


 * British Venus


 * Flag.svg "Betashire"
 * Flag.svg "Metisire"
 * Flag of Scotland.svg ""


 * Chinese Venus


 * Flag of Leda (Venusian Haven).svg
 * Flag.svg "New Pyongyang" (North Korea) [maybe]
 * Flag.svg "New Tibet"


 * French (Franco-European) Venus


 * Flag of New Quebec (Venusian Haven).svg
 * Flag.svg Themis
 * Flag.svg Cassini


 * Japanese Venus


 * Japanese Venus flag by Hellerick 3.svg 


 * Soviet Venus


 * Flag of New Kamchatka (Venusian Haven).svg 
 * Flag.svg 
 * Flag.svg Devana
 * Flag.svg "Imdr"
 * Flag.svg New Caucasia
 * Flag.svg New Crimea
 * Flag.svg "New India" (India)
 * Flag.svg New Prussia (Germany[s])
 * Flag of New Saigon (Venusian Haven).svg (Vietnam)
 * Flag.svg New Turkmenistan
 * Flag.svg "New Warsaw" (Czechoslovakia and Poland)
 * Flag.svg Rusalka
 * Flag.svg Sapas

New ideas

 * The Raskat rocket (OTL ) would have been designed to take into account a potential Venus mission. With this extra initiative, more funding and men would help assure the mission to become a success.


 * Lunokhod 1 (OTL ) would successfully reach the Moon in early 1969. Despite the Soviets being able to claim the first "tracks" on the Moon, it would be nothing compared to the "footsteps" made by American astronauts later in 1969. But due in great part to the success of the Lunokhod program, it would not ruin the Soviet moonshot to take place in the early '70s.


 * The Gerkules-Raskat program (OTL N1-L3) would lead to five successful Soviet moon missions between 1971 and 1975. would become the first Soviet to land on the Moon.


 * Despite a successful Soviet moonshot, the Apollo program would not send any more missions to the Moon beyond Apollo 17. Instead, the program would gradually be modified to become a Venus program. Apollo 18 would become the first successful in 1974 (rather than OTL's ). The USSR may (or may not) also do their  mission around the same time.


 * The "Vega" program (potential name; based on OTL [because it would have happened around the same time and I love the name "Vega"]) would become the Soviet manned landing of Venus. Taking place in 1985, the USSR would win the "Second Space Race." The program would send two missions between 1984 and 1986. The mission would be a modified TMK-E mission.
 * Since Venus' atmosphere is as thick as Earth's (either OTL or ATL), the USSR decides to quicken their mission by not designing a return mission. So in short, the Vega missions were a one-way mission. (I will work on this to see if this is a suitable thing to do on either side).


 * An American mission to Venus would take place by the late '80s. Other nations would include a joint ESA mission in the late '90s, and a Japanese, Chinese, and potential Arab mission by today.
 * I consider Saddam Hussein to be crafty enough to consider an Iraqi mission to Venus. His space program was expanding. Had it not been for the invasion of Kuwait, we may have seen an Iraqi astronaut by OTL. With Venus being promising, he may seek cooperation (rather than intimidation) in the Arab world. The oil-rich nations may show interest in a joint-Arab mission, leading to a Pab-Arabian Space Agency, and a strong Arab League/Union.


 * Participating nations/organization


 * USSR and USA &mdash; Self-explanatory. Moving on.


 * France and ESA &mdash; Prior to the PRC, was on the verge of a manned-spaceflight mission. With Venus as a destination, the French-dominated ESA would definitely become a Venusian power. Also a note, Canada cooperated as part of ESA's  (plus ), Canada is squished between ESA and NASA.


 * Great Britain &mdash; I initially opposed the UK becoming a Venusian power. I support European integration, which would have had the UK as part of ESA. However, after getting inspired by someone who has a strong passion for the British space program, as well as doing some history on the matter, I now can see the UK working towards a successful space program. Plus, since originally creating this timeline, I have become a Whovian who supports the "New British Empire." However, my only concern would be the UK's position between the US, USSR, and ESA.


 * China and Japan &mdash; pretty much also self-explanatory.


 * Iraq and the "Arab Union" &mdash; While nowhere near the US or USSR, Iraq's space program would be an interesting place to look. With Venus such a juicy target, Saddam may see Venus as a better way to solidify his power than his invasion of Kuwait. I am confident that many nations would automatically support him (such as Libya and Syria), while others (like Saudi Arabia and Kuwait) would grow more interested in the space race. With Saudi wealth backing an Iraqi-backed space program, Hussein may actually achieve the fame and position as an Arab unifier. A Pan-Arab Space Agency (PASA) would be inevitable, while the ideas of a stronger "Arab Union" could come out of the mix. The Arab Spring will have to be looked into.


 * Mission dates?


 * USSR &mdash; 1984 (Gagaringrad)
 * USA &mdash; 1990 (Kennedy City)
 * ESA &mdash; ~1990s
 * UK &mdash; ~1990s
 * Japan &mdash; ~2000s
 * China &mdash; ~2000s
 * Iraq &mdash; ~2000s
 * India &mdash; ~2010s
 * Iran &mdash; ~2010s


 * Colonial comparison


 * to Commonwealth of Virginia (169 years)
 * to State of New York (150 years)
 * to Canada (104 years)
 * New South Wales to Australia (113 years)
 * Salt Lake City to Utah (49 years)
 * Gagaringrad to New Kamchatka (17 years?)

While the regions may look big, most of the area is claimed land.

Koshmar

 * Main article:, 


 * System: Solaria (Solar System)
 * Biosphere: Venusiana (Venus)
 * Kingdom: Tereshkovia (Animal-like)
 * Phylum: c/s
 * Class: Pseudokoris (False bug)
 * Order: c/s
 * Family: c/s
 * Genus: c/s
 * Species: incubus

Note to self

 * Ishtar is in Venus' north pole. Venus rotates backwards due to being flipped upside-down. However, Ishtar is still located on the top of Venus maps. Is Ishtar actually in Venus' south pole? Either way, ASB will solve the problem. XP


 * If Venus has a moon that is about the same size and distance as ours, it would be very likely that Neith would have been discovered much earlier in history. In comparison, a viewer on Mars would see the Earth as a "double star," with the Moon being visible. How would this affect humanity?


 * Potential Neith solution: Early studies placed Neith at about 402458 km from Venus, with an orbit of 11 days. According to Kepler's laws of planetary motion, this can't be (an orbit that far would've had a longer orbit period). A potential solution, make them intersect half-way. An orbit almost 300,00 km, with a period of 18 days. This would also make a larger moon in the Venusian sky. Something to make a trip to Venus even more special.

Governmental hierarchy

 * Collectivity &mdash; a type of pseudo-government which unites several colonies, but holds little to no solidarity other than allowing a solid voice back to Earth. Many describe them as how the were not united, but close in relations. The term commonwealth is also used to describe this type of unity on Venus.

Capitals of the SSRs

 * Grozny?


 * : Соьлжа-ГӀала (Sölƶa-Ġala; "City on the ")


 * Солжа-Гала
 * Солжакала/Solzhakala (based on Akhmadkala [Akhmad-Ghala])

New POD for New Union

 * Main article: New Union

Considering that I know very little about the four men in the initial coup plot, it seems too "hopeful" for me to say that they getting drunk is a solution. I eventually chose this POD because I found it ironic that alcoholism (a major problem in the USSR that Gorbachev was trying to tackle) would lead to the downfall of this coup. Because of this gaping hole, I have decided to go back to my initial idea. Please note that I have been considering whether or not to change the POD for months now.

My initial idea was the notorious accident record of the (which were flying the men to the Crimea). The idea is simple, the plane crashes. No coup, very simple. Kinda... too simple. This is why I thought it sounded stupid before. I forgot all about it until I came across a timeline which is strikingly similar to my own. This made me realise that if someone else thought about it, than why not go back to it. Also (to make me feel better about it), I thought about this idea in 2010 (a year before this timeline came out).

More to come later

Эфиопия в «Новый Союз»

 * Main articles:  and 



SNNPR
According to Wikipedia, the (SNNPR) "was formed from the merger of the former Regions 7-11" (i.e., Regions 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11). I just came across this map which seems to show four of the five regions.


 * Kaffa
 * Omo
 * Sidama
 * Welayta

It is likely that the position of the word "southern" is blocking the border between Welayta and this last region (which I believe was called either the "Gurage Region" or the "Hadiya Region.")

List

 * 1) Aari (&gt;570,000)
 * 2) Adal (1,411,092)
 * 3) Amhara (18,185,502)
 * 4) Anuak (&gt;200,000)
 * 5) Benishangul (&gt;300,000)
 * 6) Gumuz (&gt;225,000)
 * 7) Gurage (&gt;1,000,000)
 * 8) Hadiya (&gt;1,000,000)
 * 9) Kaffa (&gt;1,000,000)
 * 10) Konso (&gt;400,000)
 * 11) Nuer (&gt;100,000)
 * 12) Ogaden (5,148,989)
 * 13) Oromia (27,158,471)
 * 14) Sidama (&gt;3,000,000)
 * 15) Surma (&gt;400,000)
 * 16) Tigray (4,334,996)
 * 17) Welayta (&gt;3,000,000)

McIntosh

 * The was established in 1995 (well after the original regions). Since it is lowly populated for a sovereign state, and is populated by Oromos, it will not become a republic of ATL Ethiopia, but (at the most) would be a special region within Oromia.


 * All original 12 regions will become republics. Gurage/Hadiya would be the exception. Being a region divided between two distinct ethnic groups (each highly large in numbers), this region will be divided into two republics.

New Republics of Ethiopia

 * Charter cities


 * (capital)
 * (ethnically divided)

New Netherland: The Empire State

 * Main article: 



The Union of New Netherland will also become an imperial power.


 * "Antarctic Territory"
 * (excluding, , and )
 * (excluding, , and )


 * Micronesia


 * Fiji


 * (joint operation)
 * (protectorate)
 * (protectorate)


 * Union of New Netherland
 * Contiguous New Netherland
 * (excluding )
 * New Netherlander Antilles
 * Curacao
 * (excluding and )
 * Statia
 * (excluding and )
 * Statia
 * (excluding and )
 * Statia
 * Statia

Timeline

 * 1861 &mdash; Scandinavian West Indies
 * 1875 &mdash; Dutch West Indies
 * 1881 &mdash; Trouble starts in Spanish Colonies
 * 1883 &mdash; Spanish Colonies bought
 * Marshall Islands?
 * 1884/1885 &mdash; Fiji and Tuvalu annexed
 * 1885/1886 &mdash; Protectorate over Tonga
 * 1892 &mdash; Takeover of islands from new Venezuelan state

New Netherlander explorers

 * (maybe)
 * (maybe)


 * (potential)
 * (potential)

Timeline for New Netherland and her Empire

 * Events in italic are not related to New Netherland, but are crucial enough to be mentioned (as of now).


 * October 1787 &mdash; The ends with no agreement, and bitterness towards there being a successful union between the former colonies.


 * November 9, 1787 &mdash; The declares their independence from the United States of America (becoming one of the first states to do so).


 * March 24, 1788 &mdash; The are officially voided, ending the United States of America. The  officially becomes independent.


 * Late 1788 &mdash; Discussions between the begin on whether to form a rump USA between them. Proposed by, the goals of this union were to compete against Virginia and the New England states. The proposed union never materialized, effectively ending by 1790 (after the death of Franklin, and the ongoing war in Vermont).


 * Mid 1789 &mdash; The states of Connecticut, New Hampshire, and Massachusetts (which at the time included Aroostook and Maine) sign the Hartford Convention, establishing the . Rhode Island would join in 1790, and Vermont by 1792.


 * Late 1789 &mdash; Due to growing tensions between New York and New England, New York troops enter into Vermont to assert their claim to the region. New England supports and aids the Vermont Republic. The begins.


 * 1790 &mdash; (Vermont War) A battalion lead by (a member of the Mohawk Tribe, and the only Native American to serve a high rank during the American Revolution), lead a successful campaign to push Vermont troops out of modern day Adirondack and Schenectady. In what became known as the Battle of the Hudson, New York was able to keep Vermont (and New England) from gaining access to the Hudson River.


 * 1791 &mdash; Within both New Jersey and New York, two secession movements form around this time:
 * Residents in eastern Long Island (primarily ) establish themselves as the "Long Island Boys." In response to the success in Vermont, the group hoped to gain the independence of Long Island (with prospects of them becoming part of New England). The group only gained support in eastern Long Island (with the west supporting New York). With the conclusion of the war nearing, the group gained little support in New England, and only angered those in New York.
 * While New Jersey remained neutral in the Vermont War, many Jerseyites from the northeast volunteered on behalf of New York. Those in the southwest wanted nothing to do with the war. With rumors that New Jersey would soon enter the war (a rumor which was not true), the state became divided based on . Those in the southwest declared the reestablishment of the long lost province of, going as far to show support in uniting with (which at the time was finalizing its federation with Delaware).


 * Late 1791 &mdash; New England and New York sign the Treaty of Providence, ending the Vermont War. As part of the treaty:
 * New York recognizes the independence of the Vermont Republic. The border between New York and Vermont is finalized, giving New York a 20 mile corridor east of the Hudson River, then using to complete the border.
 * New York agrees to transfer its claims west of the and the  (the ) to New England, in exchange for New England relinquishing any remaining claims to the areas within New York (the  and the  [if it existed by this point]). This makes the 1786  null and void.
 * New England agreed not to support any secession movements within New York (the so called "Long Island Boys").


 * June 26, 1792 &mdash; After months of discussions, New Jersey and New York agree to unite under the temporary "Union of New York and New Jersey." During the conventions to establish a constitution, the following topics are agreed upon:
 * Long Island and West Jersey would be allowed membership in the union (establishing a union of four states).
 * The upstate portion of New York (north of Albany County and west of the Delaware River) would be transferred to the new federal government (creating the "District of Albany"). In part for its lose, it is agreed to have become the capital for the new nation.
 * Border disputes between New York and New Jersey are finalized, with NY agreeing to sell (Staten Island) to New Jersey.
 * The new legislature (the Federal Assembly) would be based on the the proposed plan by (the ), which would give each state equal representation (regardless of size, population, or land ownership).
 * A proposal was made by war hero to reestablish the territory which Great Britain set aside for the Six Nations of the, creating a fifth state for both Iroquois and white settlers. While this proposal was not adopted, the basis of which would reemerge years later.


 * Late 1792 &mdash; All four states ratify the new constitution. Prior to which, the name of the new nation was changed to the (after the  which occupied the same region). The remnants of New Jersey and New York (which both lost territory as part of the new constitution) were renamed East Jersey and Hudson (respectively).


 * November 1792 &mdash; The first presidential elections take place. Former New York Governor (and known anti-federalist) wins in a landslide victory (winning the majority in all four states).


 * 1805 &mdash; The District of Albany is divided into four entities. The Capital District (a diamond-shaped plot of land in which the capital and federal government claims), the Schenectady Territory (the area effectively east of the Susquehanna River), and the Iroquois Territory (the westernmost portion of the nation). Despite its name (and being loosely based on a proposal by Joseph Louis Cook), the Iroquois Territory was only in Iroquois in name, and set aside for primarily white settlers (rather than a joint Iroquois-White state, as proposed by Cook). Despite this, Cook was appointed as the first territorial governor (a post he would hold until his tragic death in 1814). Cook continued to work with the federal government, and convincing many tribes to sell territory to Albany.


 * July 4, 1817 &mdash; Construction begins on the (a canal stretching from the Hudson River (via the Mohawk River) to Lake Erie (via the Niagara River).


 * October 26, 1825 &mdash; The Erie Canal is completed. The construction is seen as a major event in the administration of.


 * 1830 &mdash; The area west of the (mostly part of the  at the time) is admitted as the State of Niagara (the fifth state).


 * 1834 &mdash; The southern-half of the Schenectady Territory is admitted as the State of Schenectady. The remaining portions become the new Adirondack Territory.


 * 1837 &mdash; Revolution breaks out in . After the success of the revolution (and the independence of ) by 1840, many of the exiled Iroquois communities trekked back south to New Netherland (becoming a regional problem in the coming decade).


 * 1845 &mdash; With an increase in the Iroquois population in New Netherland (added with the increased White population along the Erie Canal), the territory demands statehood. Supported by President, statehood was eventually allowed after the agreement to divide the territory. The southern portion would become the new Genessee Territory, and the area north of the Black River was transferred to the Adirondack Territory. The State of Iroquois was admitted later in the year.


 * 1863 &mdash; agrees to sell their colonial possessions in the West Indies (the ) to New Netherland. The purchase becomes one of the major events of the, and is seen as the beginning towards the New Netherlander Colonial Empire.


 * 1876 &mdash; The agree to sell the Dutch West Indies (the ) to New Netherland. The islands are incorporated into the "New Netherlander West Indies," with the capital moving to  years later.


 * 1878 &mdash; offers to sell  (Saint Barts) to New Netherland. The island is incorporated into the New Netherlander West Indies.


 * 1881 &mdash; Tensions between Spain and many of her dominions in the Americas leads to revolutions in many (most noted would be Venezuela).


 * 1883 &mdash; In a radical move in part of the, Spain agrees to sell portions of her empire to New Netherland. The acquired territory includes the (Micronesia [not including the Philippines]), and  . This purchase gives New Netherland a footing in the Pacific and in Africa, leading New Netherland into the  age.


 * 1885 &mdash; New Netherland annexes and the  (Tuvalu).


 * 1886 &mdash; In an agreement with the, the island nation becomes a protectorate of New Netherland.

Timeline for New Netherland and her Empire 2.0

 * November 9, 1787 &mdash; New York declares secession from the Articles of Confederation.


 * March 24, 1788 &mdash; The USA dissolves. New Jersey gains independence.


 * Late 1788 &mdash; Talks for a unification of NJ and NY begin. War delays and alters unification moves.


 * November 1792 &mdash; New Netherland is established. New Jersey divides between east and west. Long Island becomes a state. Richmond County is sold to East Jersey. Upstate NY is given to the new federal government. The rump-NY becomes Hudson.


 * 1801 &mdash; The territories of Iroquois and Schenectady are established. Albany becomes a federal district.


 * 1805 &mdash; Schenectady gains statehood. The rest of the territory becomes the Adirondack Territory and the larger Capital District.


 * 1829 &mdash; Niagara gains statehood (splitting off from the Iroquois Territory).


 * 1836 &mdash; Iroquois gains statehood. The southern part of the territory becomes the Genessee Territory, with portions of the north being merged into the Adirondack Territory.


 * 1857 &mdash; Genessee gains statehood.


 * 1863 &mdash; Virgin Islands purchased.


 * 1872 &mdash; Adirondack gains statehood.


 * 1876 &mdash; Dutch East Indies purchased.


 * 1878 &mdash; St. Barts purchased.


 * 1880 &mdash; Caribbean islands united into the Curazao Territory.


 * 1883 &mdash; Spanish territory is purchased in Africa and the Pacific


 * 1898 &mdash; Bioko, Curazao, Fiji, and Micronesia gain territorial status. Islands off the coast of Venezuela annexed into Curazao.


 * 1900 &mdash; Tonga regains independence as a protectorate.


 * 1901 &mdash; Boundaries in Africa are finalized.


 * 1913 &mdash; NN Antarctic Territory established.


 * 1926 &mdash; African territories are united into the Biafra Territory.


 * 1958 &mdash; Curazao gains statehood. The rest of the territory becomes thee Statia Territory.


 * 1960 &mdash; Statia gains statehood.

Presidents in 13 Fallen Stars
{{legend|pink|Carolina}} {{legend|lightblue|Virginia}} {{legend|lightgreen|New England}} {{legend|lightsalmon|New Netherland}} {{legend|wheat|Pennsylvania}} {{legend|lightgrey|Others}}


 * Notes


 * The is hard to figure out. The patriarch  is from New Jersey, Samuel's son  was born in Ohio because of his father's work, and Prescot's son and grandson ( and ) were born in Massachusetts and Connecticut (respectively). From that, the family can be either New Netherlander, Pennsylvanian, and or New Englander (roughly in order).
 * The family seems to be more New Netherlander than New Englander. This may also be interesting to work into, since Prescot Bush is a suspect in the "failed" against Franklin D. Roosevelt.


 * was the first (and only) President born in California. However, given that both his parents originate from Ohio, and that he and his family were Quakers, I believe it is safe to assume Nixon may have been Pennsylvanian had the cards play right.


 * LG has helped out along

Candidates
With the multitude of nations, many presidential candidates in OTL may have better luck in their nations. Here are a few candidates.


 * Al Gore was born in DC. His father was a Senator from Tennessee, but his family originates from Virginia prior to the Revolutionary War. Likely, his family would probably remain in Virginia. This definitely eliminates the obvious nature of him being the VP of Carolinian-born Bill Clinton.


 * Hillary Clinton's mother would probably be Canadian. Given her troubled life, she may very well leave and comes across Pennsylvanian-born Hugh Rodham. Though the connections towards her being Pennsylvanian is pretty close, as her family tree has Virginian, Tennessean, and English on her father's side.

United Polynesia in Russian America
Main articles: Polynesia:0:0


 * 


 * Links


 * Hawaii (Central World) (for monarchy list)
 * Hawaii (Central World) (for monarchy list)


 * Timeline


 * Late 1800s &mdash; The Kingdom of Hawaii remains an independent nation, due in great part to a weaker American presence in the Pacific throughout the 19th century. Expansion by the Russians, the French, and the Japanese leads Hawaii to receive closer relations with Great Britain (at the most becoming a protectorate). Off the coast of South America, the United Kingdom would claim Easter Island as part of their Pacific territory (which is due in part to Chile focusing on Patagonia).


 * Early 1900s &mdash; The United States acquires the Philippines, Guam, and Panama (and may still gain Midway), while the Russian Empire acquires an ice-free port on the Pacific; thereby increasing their presence towards Hawaii (but it wouldn't affect them much, just a point to make).


 * 1940s &mdash; With the occupation of France and the preoccupation of the British during World War II, Hawaiian and other British-backed Polynesian troops occupy French Polynesia and Wallis and Futuna. This would eventually help in the idea of a united Polynesian identity.


 * Post-WWII &mdash; With the rise of American, Japanese, and Soviet presence increasing (not to mention the greater weakening of British and French presence); and the rise of ; the idea of a united Polynesia begins to gain popularity among the Polynesian islands. Debates arose on how such an idea would become a reality, but the eventual consensus supports a British-like monarchy and parliamentary system. Most assumed and supported the Hawaiian monarchy, while others (mostly in the southernmost islands) supported the Tongan monarchy (which at the time was a protectorate of the UK).


 * 1953 &mdash; Talks on the issue of "Polynesia's future" began in Honolulu, and was dominated by Hawaiians and Tongans (who had enough say to start the idea). After months of debates, polls, and votes; the two sides agree on establishing a confederation of islands, united under the Hawaiian monarchy, and a democratic parliament centered in Tonga. Another agreement towards union was that any government would provide continued access between the islands (which will utilize boats and airplanes). After a series of referendums, Hawaiians unanimously supported the idea (over 90%), while a good majority of Tongans (about 60-70%) supported the idea.


 * 1955 &mdash; The union becomes official, with Hawaii and Tonga uniting as the Polynesia:United Kingdom of Polynesia:0. Hawaii's king becomes the King of Polynesia, while a Tongan is appointed Prime Minister (who is later democratically voted into office).


 * 1950s-1960s &mdash; Across the British Pacific colonies, referendums are held on becoming part of the UKP. All of which vote in favor of a union. Later in the decade, the French colonies vote on the issue, with a majority favoring a union. Unlike the British colonies, both French colonies (French Polynesia and Wallis and Futuna) vote to be admitted as divided states (Wallis and Futuna would be admitted separately, as well as FP being admitted as several smaller states). The last referendum to be held was in Fiji, which was debated on whether to become part of Polynesia (supported by the native Fijians) or going in another direction&mdash;including gaining independence or uniting with Australia (supported by the the European and Hindi population). Never the less, Fijians voted in a two-thirds majority to join Polynesia.


 * Late 1960s &mdash; In cooperation with the US and UK, the Line Islands are sold to Polynesia. In comparison with neighboring Kiribati, the Line Islands would be part of a united Polynesian project to populate the mostly unpopulated islands (as well as giving a clear controlled water between Hawaii and the more populated south).


 * 1970s-1980s &mdash; An idea called "islandism" begins to gain popularity in Polynesia. The main focus of which is gaining regional sovereignty for several islands (the most noted being Tauai among the Hawaiian islands).


 * States




 * 1) Flag of Marquesas Islands.svg
 * 2) Flag of Fiji.svg
 * 3) Flag.svg
 * 4) Kanaka Maoli flag.svg
 * 5) Flag.svg
 * 6) Flag.svg
 * 7) Flag of the Gambier Islands.svg
 * 8) Flag of Niue.svg
 * 9) Flag of the Pitcairn Islands.svg
 * 10) Flag of Raiatea.svg
 * 11) Flag of Rapa.svg
 * 12) Flag of Rapa Nui, Chile.svg
 * 13) Flag of Rarotonga 1858-1888.svg
 * 14) Flag.svg
 * 15) Flag of Samoa.svg
 * 16) Flag of Tahiti.svg
 * 17) Flag.svg
 * 18) Flag of Tokelau.svg
 * 19) Flag of Tonga.svg  (
 * 20) Flag of Tuamotu Archipelago.svg
 * 21) Flag of the Austral Islands.svg
 * 22) Flag of Tuvalu.svg
 * 23) Flag of Wallis and Futuna.svg

Territorial evolution of Alaska

 * 1812 &mdash; Fort Ross is established (well within New Spain).


 * 1821 &mdash; Russia declares full claim over the North American coast north of the 51st parallel, and the.


 * 1824 &mdash; After winning the Russo-Spanish War:0:0, Russia gains Spain's claims to the Pacific Northwest. Russia and Mexico agree to use the historically prevalent 42nd parallel as their borders (with the exception of the Slavianka Valley).


 * 1826 &mdash; Russia and the United States agree to finalize their borders. The US agrees to relinquish their claims west of the Rocky Mountains (the Great Continental Divide), in exchange for trading rights in Russian territory. Russia also agrees to lease Fort Astoria to the Americans for 25 years.


 * 1827 &mdash; Russia and Great Britain finalize their borders. It is agreed to use the Rocky Mountains up until it reaches the northernmost point on the, at which time the river will act as the border. Disputes continue over the border between Russia's northern claims and Britain's . The territory between the 51st parallel and the 54th parallel and 40 minutes become disputed territory.


 * 1830 &mdash; Russia purchases territory from Mexico. Russia now acquires all the territory northwest of the Sacramento and Pit Rivers.


 * 1835 &mdash; Russia fully integrates its claims in North America as part of the trans-continental empire. The territory is divided into three oblasts. The Alaska Oblast comprises of the territory northwest of the, the New Russia Oblast contains the territory southeast of the Copper River, and northwest of the 51st parallel and the Columbia River; while the Oregon Oblast comprises of the territory southeast of the Columbia River.


 * 1845 &mdash; Russia and Great Britain further finalize their borders after the loss of the United Republic of Canada:Canadas:0. Britain agrees to use the entire Continental Divide and the Mackenzie River watershed as the border between British and Russian claims. The disputed territories becomes a jointly administrated territory.


 * 1849 &mdash; The British establish the .


 * 1850 &mdash; After the discovery of gold, the portions of the Oregon Oblast south of the 42nd parallel is separated as the new Sonoma Oblast.


 * 1853 &mdash; The British establish the (which acted as a dependency of Vancouver Island). The British claim that because it was an archipelago well of the coast, Russia didn't claim the territory. Being involved in the Crimean War, Russia does nothing.


 * 1857 &mdash; After Russia's defeat in the, Russia agrees to relinquish its claims to the.


 * 1858 &mdash; The Columbia District becomes the.


 * 1866 &mdash; Due to a collapsing budget, the British unite their regional colonies into into the .


 * 1872 &mdash; Due to cost and pressure of loosing them in a war, Great Britain agrees to hand over full control of the disputed "New Caledonia" region to Russia, and to sell the remaining colonies to them for a total of 10 million dollars. The Queen Charlotte Islands and New Caledonia were integrated into New Russia (which already claimed them), with the remaining claim becoming the Columbia Oblast.


 * 1884 &mdash; After the discovery of gold in New Caledonia, the portions of New Russia south of the Stikine River is separated as the New Caledonia Oblast. Later on, the northernmost portions of the oblast would become populated by Russian Protestants.


 * 1897 &mdash; With the discovery of gold, the entire Yukon River watershed (and area north of it) is separated from the Alaska and New Russia oblasts to form the Yukon Oblast.


 * 1899 &mdash; Due to growing population differences and a population boom after the completion of the Transcontinental railway, the Alaska Oblast is divided into two. The eastern portion becomes the Kodiak[-Kenai] Oblast, with the remaining becoming a rump Alaska Oblast (now centered in Nushagak:0:0).


 * 1900 &mdash; With the discovery of gold in the Golovnin Peninsula, the Yukon Oblast is divided into two, the East Yukon Oblast (centered in Klondike), and the West Yukon Oblast (centered in Golovninsk, later moved New Golovninsk).


 * 1907 &mdash; The oblasts of the America Governorate-General are separated from the Russian Empire as the Alaskan Commonwealth:0:0 (an independent nation under similar guidelines as British Acadia and Australia). The nine oblasts are upgraded into governorates, with the Alaska Oblast being renamed as the new Shelikof Governorate.


 * 1917 &mdash; After the outbreak of revolution in Russia, the three southernmost governorates of Alaska (Sonoma, Oregon, and Columbia) declare independence as the Republic of Oregon. The remaining oblasts are reorganized into an independent Alaskan Republic (with hopes of reunification).


 * 1920 &mdash; Pro-English revolutionaries take over Columbia, declaring the independence of the Columbia Governorate as the Republic of New Albion. Later on, the new republic annexes the Queen Charlotte Islands and the territory south of the 54th parallel and 40 minutes.


 * 1921 &mdash; Communist protests break out in New Archangel, Pavlovskaia, Ross, and Nushagak. Police are able to break up the riots in the first two cities. While unsuccessful in Ross, the protests leads to reforms within the governorate. The protests in Nushagak are successful, leading to a communist safe haven.


 * 1922 &mdash; After failed talks to establish a federation within Oregon, the Sonoma Governorate declares independence as the Republic of Sonoma.


 * 1923 &mdash; The Alaskan Socialist Republic:Alaskan Soviet Socialist Republic:0 is declared in Nushagak. Only the Shelikof and West Yukon Governorates support the new government, with the remaining regions being more conservative to accept communism. War soon breaks out.


 * 1924 &mdash; The Northern War ends with the eastern governorates of Alaska fighting off communism, and the communists annexing the portions of East Yukon north of the . New Russia (which had annexed the portions of New Caledonia which were not under New Albionian control) and Kodiak-Kenai agree to unite as the Democratic Republic of New Russia. East Yukon not willingly join, and instead is declared as being part of both the Alaskan SSR and New Russia (but with an independent government still working in Kodiak and later Beloloshadsk). Later in the year, Oregon is reestablished into the United Republic of Oregon, which allows the English-speaking region of Idaho to retain autonomy within the nation.


 * 1927 &mdash; After the death of a nationalist leader (name to come later), democratic reforms begin in New Russia. People like Igor Druganin:0:0 take power.


 * 1929 &mdash; A coalition is established between New Russia and Oregon. Initially established as a democratic alliance against communism, it was also a small attempt towards reunification. A month later, the Stock Market crashes (leading to the Great Depression), which is also seen a an excelerant towards total integration.


 * 1931 &mdash; New Russia and Oregon ratify a new constitution, transforming the coalition into a federation: the Alaska:Alaskan Democratic Federative Republic:0. New Archangel is separated from New Russia as the Federal District (Okrug), with the remainder of New Russia and Oregon becoming governorates of the ADFR.


 * 1934 &mdash; Due greatly to the Great Depression and moves towards Russians living in the nation (opposed to the attempts of forced Anglicization), New Albion agrees to become a governorate of the ADFR.


 * 1935 &mdash; Sonoma becomes a governorate of the ADFR.


 * 1937 &mdash; With the agreement to become a separate entity, the once unrecognized government of East Yukon is admitted as a governorate.


 * 1938 &mdash; War breaks out between the ASR and the ADFR.


 * 1939 &mdash; The Alaskan Socialist Republic ceases to exist. ADFR troops occupy Nushagak. Prior to the siege, the government fled down the Alaskan peninsula, eventually being move to the Komandorski Islands off the coast of Kamchatka. A rump nation is established as the Aleutian Soviet Socialist Republic.

An Alternate Russia

 * Main article: Russia:0:0, My Talk Page
 * See also: 1993 Alexander Rutskoy become Russia president and stay it! and more

Due in great part to Russia being able to successfully expand its territory and playing a greater role in the 19th and 20th centuries, it seems rather bland for Russia to become what it has become in OTL. I initially just thought of having Russia change their flag, then thought about incorporating elements of New Union into the timeline; but now I believe I have come up with a unique and interesting change for the Russian Federation.


 * Links


 * Unofficial autonomist flags of 1992-1993
 * Unofficial autonomist flags of 1992-1993


 * Pre-POD

Aside from a few changes (involving date and outcome), the Russian Revolution would take place in 1917, leading to the rise of communism and the Soviet Union by 1922. Despite the Soviet Union expanding to include more territory than OTL (not to mention differing border and conflicts throughout the Cold War), the Soviet Union would develop the same as OTL, and would collapse in 1991. leads Russia towards independence and democracy. Opposition towards Yeltsin would develop (as in OTL), eventually leading to towards Russia's future.


 * POD

Despite wishing to remain neutral in the crisis, the Russian Army decides to side with the Supreme Soviet (lead by Vice President and opposition leader ). The crisis would turn into a military-backed coup against Yeltsin. By the end of October 1993, Yeltsin is arrested and Rutskoy becomes the official President of Russia.


 * Butterflies


 * While Rutskoy was opposed to Yeltsin and a communist-sympathizer, he was not a hardliner. Rutskoy was a founding member of a CPSU faction called "Communists for Democracy," and would have supported to continued democratization of Russia. His main opposition would be towards Yeltsin's capitalist reforms and attempts towards the "Americanization" of Russia (which Yeltsin did favor).


 * The Russian government abandons the capitalist reforms, moving towards a slower process towards a free-market economy. While a slower process, the Russian economy would develop as a successful post-communist state, while avoiding the economic collapse that took place in 1998 (OTL). This would also prevent the rise of cronyism that affected OTL Russia in the '90s, helping for a smoother transition. Effectively, Russia would turn out (more or less) like the USSR in the New Union timeline; or (as one put it) "" Russia much earlier.




 * The crisis of 1993 was the product of Yeltsin (according to the opposition) going against the 1978 Constitution (which was still in place). After winning the coup, it would be rather unlikely that a new constitution would be implemented (at least after the crisis). Because of which, the "hierarchical" system towards the would remain for the time being (in which the Republics gained more say than the oblasts and krais). Republican movements would continue in the oblasts, eventually leading to the Russian Federation being transformed into a federation of republics. Prolonging the issue and solving it in this manner would help securing the federalization of Russia (making it a stronger and diverse nation).


 * Russia's foreign relations would be about the same. The only foreseeable difference (that I can make out) would be Rutskoy's support towards the break-away states of the former Soviet Union (e.g., Abkhazia, the Crimea, Pridnestrovie, and South Ossetia). Depending on the situation (which will have to be looked at further), we could see Russia's recognizing the independence of Abkhazia, Pridnestrovie, and South Ossetia much earlier (the question of annexation is much different); and depending on how well the Ukraine would work with a Rutskoy Russia, than maybe the Crimea would retain its autonomy status within the Ukraine.




 * After the 1996 Presidential Election (in which Rutskoy would be democratically elected), the question of replacing the Imperial Tricolor (which was adopted under Yeltsin) would be put into question. In 1997, the people of Russia would vote in favor of adopting a variation of the former . The hammer-sickle and gold-bordered red star are replaced with a solid-gold star (representing unity). This would be similar to what happened in Belarus OTL.

Long Island and the Outer Lands

 * BrianD's talkpage

Targets in New York


List Over-killing map Simulator (Another one)


 * Primary




 * Secondary


 * (all south of and west of  to state line)
 * (all south of and west of  to state line)


 * Tertiary



Potential other ideas

 *  &mdash; Given that the plant was completed in [January] 1984, the idea of it being completed and actually used to power Long Island seems plausible. Especially if Plymouth has a working plant and that nuclear experts from the Brookhaven National Laboratory may have survived. And given the fact that LI is already radiated, I doubt there would be too many anti-nuclear sentiment in LI (especially when powering the island should be more important).


 *  &mdash; While nothing more than a raccoon which was disfigured by decomposition and ocean currents, there were rumors that it was a genetic experiment that escaped. While not going that far, it might be interesting to think that if this creature still pops up ATL, that many Long Islanders may have spread rumors that it was a mutant.

Shoreham Nuclear Power Plant
The  was a nuclear power plant constructed in. It was the first (and only) nuclear plant to have been built on Long Island; and was proposed to help ease the power needs for Long Islanders and New Yorkers alike.

Despite being supported initially, three major events would doom the plant. The first was the 1979 accident at in, which caused initial fears over plant safety and fears over limited safely evacuating Long Islanders in a worst case scenario. The second was in 1985, in which  (the company who was also constructing the plant) was unable to restore power to Long Island for over a week (showing oversights on the company). The third and final event was the 1986 disaster at in the, which further ended the atomic age globally (let alone the United States).

Despite hopes to continue operation, even being allowed to operate low-level tests on the reactor in 1985, the Shoreham Nuclear Plant was decommissioned in 1989 (becoming the first nuclear plant to be decommissioned in the United States). It wouldn't be until 1994 that all the traces of nuclear fuel were removed from the site. In order to prevent the plant from being activates, New York State purchased LILCO (under the new LIPA company), and Long Islanders were taxed for the construction of the plant (which they continue to pay to this day).

But with a nuclear holocaust taking place in 1983, could the Shoreham plant been ironically saved? Here, I believe that it is plausible (if not optimistic).


 * Key arguments


 * Because of the plant's location in eastern Long Island, the energy complex would suffer little to no damage from the nuclear strikes in the west and north.


 * Despite delays, the Shoreham plant was practically completed by September 1983 (but officially completed in January 1984). While some construction would be needed after doomsday, nothing crucial was needed (such as the reactor). All that would be needed by the time I am considering the plant to be used is some checking, finishing up, and finally fuel (more on that in a second).


 * Fuel is a tricky thing to find. However, if Plymouth has a workable reactor in use, then I can assume it would be easy to have the Outer Lands have some access to nuclear fuel (aside from the obviously cliche "nuclear anything in western LI"). However, I came across in the page that they "worked with technicians from [these countries] to dismantle the plants and sell the nuclear materials to them for either safe disposal or use in their own energy programs."  It could be safe to assume that Delmarva and the Outer Lands could work together in this process (and the timeline seems workable from what I see).


 * The only other issue would be the obvious support. Since Long Island's infrastructure was centered in the west (which is gone), and going about two decades without power would probably eliminate the "no nukes" mentality of Long Islanders (who in 1983 had a 70% approval of the plant) would most likely believe that powering the island was more beneficial then worrying about the fact that the plant would be powered by the same technology that destroyed half the world.


 * Timeline


 * 1983 &mdash; Doomsday has little affect on eastern Long Island, leaving the energy complex of the plant in tact and undamaged.


 * 1984 &mdash; Due to its technological importance, and fears that it could be used for terrorist uses, the Shoreham site is placed on guard (as was the Brookhaven National Laboratory and other sites in Brookhaven).


 * 1985–1996 &mdash; Aside from minor damage from Hurricane Gloria in 1985, animal habitation, and average dust and time; the Shoreham site would remain unaffected for over a decade.


 * 1997(ish) &mdash; With the "survivalist era" ending and the rise of "remodernization" taking place across the Outer Lands, the issue of powering the nation is asked. With announcements that Plymouth plans to reopen a nuclear plant, the fact that a nuclear plant was built in the Safety Zone of Long Island gains supportive grounds. Around the same time, Delmarva announces plans to decommission and dismantling of their (unworkable) nuclear plants, and offers to help.


 * 1998 &mdash; The Federal Assembly of the Outer Lands votes in favor of opening the Shoreham plant. About 20% of Long Islanders (about 15-25% of all Outlanders) opposed the announcement. The act also creates OLLCO (the Outer Lands Lighting Company), a government-owned energy company which will run the plant and work on the energy infrastructure across the Outer Lands.


 * 1999 &mdash; After months of inspections and tests, it is determined that the Shoreham site (aside from minor damage) was usable, with no damage to crucial systems already in place (including the reactor, the turbines, and the cooling systems). Construction begins to complete any needed repairs on the plant. At the same time, repairs are made on the power grid across eastern Long Island.


 * 2000 &mdash; Construction is completed. Within the year, the first shipments of nuclear fuel travels into the Long Island Sound. By the end of the year, the reactor is turned on for low-level testing, with all signs looking good.


 * 2001 &mdash; After months of testing and retesting, the Outer Lands allows for the complete use of the plant. In November, the plant goes fully online, and Long Island is bathed in power for the first time in decades.


 * Other notes


 * Nantucket had its own power station prior to 1996.


 * Interesting notes (for me)


 * The cylindrical building (the most noted structure in the energy complex) is/was the for the reactor (not the cooling tower as I previously thought).


 * The power plant was designed to use the waters of the to cool the turbines and reactor. This is called a Once-Through system (OT), and thereby means that the Shoreham plant would not have used a noted cooling tower structure (as the heated water is recycled back into the Sound).


 * Links


 * LILCO PLANS SAFETY FILTER AT SHOREHAM
 * Long Island Ruins
 * LIPA explores new uses for Shoreham nuclear plant site
 * California moves to ban once-through cooling
 * Generic Environmental Impact Statement for License Renewal of Nuclear Plants
 * Types of Nuclear Reactors
 * BWR – Boiling Water Reactors
 * A look at the Shoreham nuke protest, 30 years later
 * Nuclear Power – Yes Please!

Dominions and Crown Colonies

 * Dominions


 * Italic = Special dominions (not "settler colonies")




 * Crown Colonies




 * Crown Dependencies


 * 1)  (not sure what it would be classified as)
 * 1)  (not sure what it would be classified as)
 * 1)  (not sure what it would be classified as)
 * 1)  (not sure what it would be classified as)


 * Protectorates



Potential dominions

 * Potential


 * (crown colony)
 * (possible crown colony)
 * (protectorate)
 * (dominion or crown colony)
 * (dominion, crown colony, or protectorate)
 * (crown colony)
 * (protectorate or crown colony)
 * (dominion[s] or crown colonies)
 * (still French?)
 * (crown colony)
 * (crown colony)
 * (crown colony)
 * (protectorate or crown colonies)
 * (protectorate?)
 * (crown colony)
 * (protectorate of crown colony)
 * (dominion)
 * (dominion of crown colony)
 * (protectorate)
 * (crown colony)
 * (crown colony)
 * (dominion of crown colony)
 * (protectorate)
 * (crown colony)
 * (crown colony)


 * Not likely


 * (protectorate or independent)
 * (Palestine)
 * (Prussian?)
 * (Palestine)
 * (Prussian?)
 * (Prussian?)
 * (Prussian?)
 * (Prussian?)
 * (Prussian?)
 * (Prussian?)

Flags for New Netherland's states
{{legend|lightgreen|Good (not replacing)}} {{legend|lightblue|Neutral (may or may not replace)}} {{legend|pink|Bad (needs to be replace)}}

New infobox for the states of New Netherland

 * Populations are based on OTL, and will be altered to express a larger population and internal migrations.


 * Population


 * 1) Hudson
 * 2) Niagara
 * 3) East Jersey
 * 4) Iroquois
 * 5) Long Island
 * 6) Schenectady
 * 7) West Jersey
 * 8) Genesee
 * 9) Adirondack
 * 10) Curazao
 * 11) Capital District
 * 12) Statia

Louisiana for 13
This will be expanded later, but I found this and need to write it for later research.

With my original idea for Canada likely to be gone soon, I take some comfort that at the very least, my idea would still work for Louisiana (I do hope that is what you meant by "Louisiana would work as a destination, though, for revolutionaries" [I assume you will be reading this, LG]).

In the short, Louisiana wins independence as a French-speaking republic. But with the loss of Canada, and a recent find, I may alter the timeline on when they gain independence. My original idea was around the late 1830s/early '40s (around the same time as the Mackenzie Rebellion in Canada). Now I may be looking towards the late 1810s/early '20s.

My reasoning involves enough lag for fleeing revolutionaries from France to enter Louisiana, it corresponds (more or less) to when the the other Latin American revolutions would be taking place (which all fail here, excluding Carolina's gains in the Floridas).

I also came across someone who may be a potential leader towards independence. was Governor of Louisiana OTL, as well as serving in the French army. His father (who was also a general) was executed by the new Spanish government, and played a minor role during the War of 1812. He might be an interesting figure to look further into.

Potential presidents



 * From LG



The American Republics and the British


For a while now, I have been trying to organize what the relationships between the American Republics (the former United States of America) and the British would be like. With the recent addition of Canada as a dominion (from what I had previously), I feel it should be appropriate to lay out my thoughts on the matter.

The obvious two categories would be those who have good relations, and those with bad relations. I have no doubt that by today (and throughout the 20th Century, if not earlier) all the American Republics would have good relations with the contemporary United Commonwealth. This primarily discusses relations in the 18th and 19th Centuries, and how they evolved into what they are today.


 * Carolina


 * Maryland


 * New England


 * New Netherland

I believe that would have strained relations with the British throughout much of the 19th Century. Much of this would come from resentment of British occupation of the New York City region during the Revolutionary War, and a move to establish themselves as a distinctive region (this includes the adoption of "Netherland" in their name).

Though for the most part, much of this anti-British feel would not be centered around them, but one of their biggest allies: New England. Albany's relations with Boston would be highly strained after the Vermont War &mdash; in which New York lost Vermont and their claims to the disputed Northwestern Territory. While the British had no real part in the Vermont War, the British would gain much of the blame (especially since NN's claim to the NWT did end up being British in the end).

New Netherland's growing power within North America would eventually lead to better relations. After the completion of the Erie Canal and the failed revolt in Canada; the British looked to have good relations with New Netherland for economic and security reasons.

Relations would begin to get positive by the 1880s. New Netherland money and industry is used to help build up British North America (including the first Transcontinental Railway from Canada to Colombia). New Netherland's growing global power and their own moves towards imperialism gained little opposition form the British, leading to territorial compromises.

Today, New Netherland and the United Commonwealth are the two dominant powers in the Americas.


 * Pennsylvania


 * Virginia

New Netherlander presidential election, 2014
With the 2012 election over and done with, I find myself (as well as many others) interested in 2016 and who would succeed Barack Obama. I have also been looking at 13 Fallen Stars in a similar light, and looking at who would become the next president of New Netherland. Their next election will take place in 2014, with incumbent being barred from serving a second term. While this is fun in one sense, I find any predictions to be in an extraordinary good position, as three prominent "New Netherlanders" have been placed as potential candidates in 2016.


 * &mdash; Governor of New York (OTL) since 2011, Cuomo has been an early Democratic candidate (as I can remember). Among many notes of his governorship include legalizing same sex marriages in New York, tackled corruption, and has cut spending. Another key for him ATL would be his father,, who has served as President of New Netherland.


 * &mdash; Governor of New Jersey (OTL) since 2010, Christie has a unique following in the Republican Party. Known for his charismatic attitude and bipartisan cooperation (especially during Hurricane Sandy in 2012). However he is also known for vetoing same sex marriage in New Jersey, issues with his weight, and has become shunned within the GOP (due to his moderate views).


 * &mdash; Governor of Florida (OTL) from 1999 until 2007, Bush is a recent contender for 2016 (but has gotten a lot of credibility). His moves for education and immigration reforms would probably stem good in New Netherland. The only weakness to his candidacy is the "sins" of his father (President ) and younger brother (President ) &mdash; both of which were Presidents of New Netherland &mdash; who would most likely have similar "sins" ATL.


 * Other potential candidates

The following have only recently come to light that their ancestry could be New Netherlander. They have not yet been "canonized" as New Netherlander, but probably will soon.


 * &mdash; Former Massachusetts Governor and Republican candidate in the 2012 presidential election. Romney's ancestry appears to originate from the original Mormon settlers from Western New York (OTL). Depending on how Mormonism evolves here, it might be likely he is New Netherlander here.


 * &mdash; Kentucky Senator and son of (who appears to be NN).

Asia at it stands in 13
This is just a quick bullet point on what is pretty much going to become canon in Asia. Stuff in italic face represent topics I am not sure about (not necessarily canon).


 * The will expand to include , , and.
 * Parts Manchuria (the and a land connection to Korea) go to Japan.
 * Not sure whether Russia would only include all of, or simply (which was the only parts within Russia's sphere of influence).


 * The wi include, the , , and parts of Manchuria (see above).


 * will become a dominion of the.
 * Hong Kong would also expand about 20 miles inland.


 * will be incorporated into the.


 * will gain independence.
 * Not sure whether it would include or only a smaller area.


 * will regain complete sovereignty and independence from the European spheres of influence as a republic.


 * ,, , , and parts of will be divided between , , and the.
 * France and Portugal retain their claims, and all are incorporated into that nation.
 * is divided into several dominions and crown colonies within the United Commonwealth.


 * and southern (to be renamed "") will gain independence as republics. Portions of northern Pakistan are merged into Afghanistan (which will most likely remain a monarchy).


 * will remain a, and will be incorporated into the Netherlands as "Ceylon."


 * The will remain a protectorate of the United Commonwealth.


 * will be divided up into several Dutch countries (dominions) and two sultanates.


 * will remain Portuguese, and will be incorporated into the kingdom.


 * will gain independence.


 * Both the British and Dutch claims on will gain independence and unite into a single nation.
 * Not sure whether they would become a republic.


 * and will remain independent monarchies under the names of "Persia" and "Siam" (respectively).


 * The British claims in are incorporated into the United Commonwealth.
 * The emirates of the, , and are incorporated as crown colonies.
 * Not completely sure about, and .

Wars in 13

 * Defined


 * (1789-1791)
 * French Revolt (1789-1792)
 * Haitian Revolution (1791-1800s)
 * (1795-1797)
 * First Latin American Revolutions (1800s)
 * Fifth Anglo-Dutch War (1800s)
 * Louisianan Revolution (1810s)
 * West Florida Revolution (1810s)
 * Rebellions of 1837 (1837-1838)
 * "Revolutions of 1848" (1840s)
 * (1861-1863)
 * Second Latin American Revolutions (1880s-1890s)
 * Venezuela War (1890s)
 * Sino-Japanese War (1894-1895)
 * Chinese Revolution (1911)
 * Liberia War (1980s)


 * Potential

Portugal in 13

 * "States"


 * (see )
 * (see )
 * (see )
 * (see )
 * (see )


 * Potential names


 * Portuguese Commonwealth &mdash; originally used on this timeline, and also found here and here.
 *  Kingdom of Portugal.


 * JUST REMEMBER FOR LATER

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/French_Union_%28Twilight_of_a_New_Era%29

Carolinian presidents in 13

 * OTL Presidents


 * (1829-1837) - SC
 * (1845-1849) - NC
 * (1865-1869) - TN
 * (1963-1969) - TX
 * (1977-1981) - GA
 * (1993-2001) - AR


 * OTL Vice Presidents


 * Bold = Became presidents


 * (1825-1832) - SC
 * (1853) - NC/AL
 *  (1865) - TN
 * (1933-1941) - TX
 *  (1961-1963) - TX


 * OTL Candidates


 * Italic = Vice Presidential candidate


 * ' (') - SC
 * (,, ) - SC
 * ' (') - NC
 * - NC
 * - NC
 * ' (') - NC
 * - GA
 * ' (') - TN
 * ' (') - NC
 * - TN
 * ' (') - GA
 * ' (') - AR
 * - SC
 * ' (') - MS
 * ' (') - AL
 * ' (') - TN
 * - AL
 * - AL
 * - TX
 * ' (') - TX
 * ' (') - TX
 * ' (') - NC
 * - PCZ/AZ
 * - PCZ/AZ

Overview
Much like what the United States adopted OTL, New Netherland would establish an electoral collage as the means of electing a president. The only noticeable difference is that each state (despite their population) has the same number of delegates. This would go back to how the legislature of New Netherland would be established, in which all the states are equal (following the Articles of Confederation and the New Jersey Plan).

Under the current set-up, each state receives 27 electoral votes, with the Capital District (Albany) receiving three. Every state (if not the majority) use the "winner-take-all" stategy, in which a candidate needs only to win half of the popular vote and one to receive all the electoral votes of that state. In effect, the candidate to win the majority of states wins the election. It is a crazy idea that suffers the flaws of OTL (including gerrymandering, Red/Blue states, and the possibility of the popular vote not matching with the electoral vote). Because of this system, it encouraged the admission of an odd number of states (to prevent a tie in the electoral collage).


 * Maroon (Progressive) states


 * Hudson
 * Niagara


 * Teal (Liberty) states


 * Iroquois
 * West Jersey


 * Swing states


 * East Jersey
 * Genesee

NN Presidential lineup fixup

 * New list idea


 * 1825 - Yates
 * 1828 - Van Buren
 * 1831
 * 1834 - Dickerson
 * 1837 - Southard
 * 1840 -
 * 1843 - Frelinghuysen
 * 1846 - Vroom
 * 1849
 * 1852 - Filmore
 * 1855 - Bouck (dies '59) -- Jesse D. Bright
 * 1858
 * 1861 - Seward


 * Notes

Bouck dies in office. upon the end of the term, Bright chooses not to seek another term. Seward moves in.

Prohibition idea in New Netherland
While I initially thought it would have only be on a state-by-state basis, I am now reconsidering how prohibition would "function" in this timeline (especially in New Netherland). While partially based on new information that would cause this within the nation, this is mostly because a lack of prohibition would greatly alter how the present would be in regards to how I see the nation.


 * New Information


 * Progressivism &mdash; After the success of Roosevelt to gain a third term under the Progressive Party, progressivism would dominate the early 20th century. While not a a key issue within the movement, prohibition of alcohol was an issue supported by the movement. Not too hard to see this snowballing in this period.


 * Women &mdash; Interesting for me to have learned, women were among the primary supporters of prohibition (due to how it "destroyed families"). Among the key issues for Roosevelt and the Progressive Party in 1912 was women's suffrage. If the "19th Amendment" would've been adopted earlier, this might've further pushed for prohibition to be voted for.


 * Not only an American movement &mdash; Prohibition appears to have not just been an American movement, but more of an Angolo-American movement (at least in this form). While never adopted federally, there was a time in Canadian history where the vast majority of its provinces prohibited alcohol. In a non-binding referendum, a close majority (about 51%) supported prohibition on a federal level. But it didn't last, with it pretty much ending in the early 1920s (just in time for Joe Kennedy). Movements also existed in Australia, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom (among those of relevance here). With this in mind, it doesn't seem too far-fetched to see this as an Anglo-American movement ATL, affecting all the English-speaking countries here (at least for me this is).


 * Desires


 * Mafia &mdash; You can't talk about New York history without discussing the Italian (Sicilian) Mafia and its affects across the United States. While it started out as a few Sicilian thugs in New York, prohibition made them rich and dangerous. Despite its end, the mafia lived on. I feel they should still play a role in New Netherland's history.


 * Timeline (rough)


 * Much like OTL, prohibition is probably "forced" into law. OTL, Wilson vetoed the law, only for Congress to override this.


 * Hughes would replace Wilson ATL, and such he would have very little to do against it.


 * Not sure about Johnson, but he seems like the person who would've been on the fence, and probably would've done little (if anything) against it.


 * Smith would ultimately repeal it, becoming one of the positive outcomes of his mixed presidency.

Nasser's Dream... again... sadly... yeah!!


Here is my Jason timeline, it never appears to die. Every time I get to a dead end and am told this is ASB and not possible, I abandon it. It was barely a year ago I brought the timeline back and abolished it. Yet somehow down the line I continue to find interest and little quirks of history to somewhat back me up.

I have definitally not given up on the timeline, just I keep finding it difficult as to bring it back here as an ASB free-for-all timeline just for fun, or to work on it as a map-only quicky timeline. If the timeline is going to be ASB, might as well have fun with it, right?


 * Links


 * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Arabic_Dialects.svg

Hurdles
Here are a list of "hurdles" that will need to be addressed.


 * From what I have read and watched, Syrians were overwhelmingly supportive of a union with Egypt. The primary issues that lead Syria to leave included:
 * The UAR was not so much a union of Arab republics, but acted more like a Greater Egypt (i.e., Syria was simply annexed into Egypt).
 * The sense of "Egyptian nationalism" left Syrians being treated more like second-class citizens. This was reflected in government and the military.
 * The Syrian-lead political parties (including the Ba'ath Party) were repressed by pro-Egyptian non-partisan politics.


 * The UAR was more of a de facto unitary state. Working to give Syria (and future republics) more sovereign powers likely would have helped keep the union together.


 * External issue would have to be resolved or issued. This includes Cold War politics, decolonization, and most importantly oil and other natural resources.


 * Israel (and possibly Lebanon) would be huge variables. With a stronger Arab state, the Six-Day War would likely not happen. Fearing a larger war, the UAR would likely leave Israel alone in regards to war.


 * Given that Iraq, Yemen, and Libya overthrew their monarchies; it shouldn't be impossible that the success of pan-Arabism would encourage other overthrows. This would likely include the colonial governments and other monarchies. Saudi Arabia would be trickier, while Oman and Kuwait would likely rest on the fate of Saudi Arabia.


 * Depending on their power, the UAR could have a major influence during the Iranian revolution.

Notes to remember because they may come in handy

 * was originally under British control prior gaining independence as a unified communist state. Given the success of Arabian nationalism, it may be possible for this to happen in the British-controlled (which I include  and ).


 * The name "" historically referred to contemporary eastern Saudi Arabia. Given that contemporary and the  of Saudi Arabia are Shia dominated, this name could be used for a proposed republic.


 * Issues involving internal borders would have to be addressed. Possibly, Cairo may support the exclusion of "European exclaves" (such as Spanish and French coastal cities in Morocco and Algeria).

Republics/Governorates of the UAR

 * Definitely join




 * Obviously join




 * Likely join