User:Andr3w777/Archive 3

                 ♒   "Fear the power    of the Dark Side of the Force."  03:45, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

I could change my post to have my King Julius become Queen Julia I, problem solved! (DeanSims: Talk) 20:01, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

alrifght, sounds good to me. (DeanSims: Talk) 20:05, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

PMII
Hey Andrew, it's Scraw. Anyways, crazy things ahoy in PMII. Aragon became independent and I'm trying to reconquer it. I need some help though. Will you help your German brothers?

                "Fear the power    of the Dark Side of the Force."  21:41, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Venice is not interested in Switzerland at the moment though missionaries and spies have heavily infiltrated the various cantons. Scandinator (talk) 04:37, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

I reverted your edit on PMII because it caused a bunch of coding problems. Sorry, you have to repost.AP (talk) 04:35, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

It's preliminary, nothing for sure.AP (talk) 06:06, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Outlet
Ok mate. I have seen your pleas for help - and I have decided to help. I will give you a small enclave of land in return for your recognition and support of an Orissan-backed Netherlands when it happens in a few years. Now the Netherlands coming into my control will still take a few years, so you will have to wait out a few years. As soon as I gain control, you will recieve your enclave. Deal? :P Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:42, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Andrew! How many years did your first war last? Cause you will have to invade them again (this turn would be prefeable). :L Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:14, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Well, check the algo to see how much u got. :P Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:32, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Lol, I just calculated that. With 3 years, you will get 18.3%. You need another 15% to topple their government. Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:35, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Night of the Living Alternate History
I invite you to participate in the Night of the Living Alternate History. There are many nations still available, and we should be starting soon. Mscoree (talk) 17:21, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Stuff
So you want to invade something, eh? Let's invade Poland in a while. However I have a good feeling it is bound to collapse.

Also I'll let you handle the German League, just tell me when you want to sign the charter and stuff and start creating laws.

23:08, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

I've had that problem before but I'm not really sure how to fix it... If it comes down to it, I guess you could just wait for tomorrow and see if the problem's gone.AP (talk) 05:13, April 4, 2013 (UTC)0

Well, i don't know what's happening because this never happened to me.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 06:55, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Fact of the matter is, we're surrounded. Saxony is in control of all those little states in central Europe, where most of OTL Germany is. Unless you want to invade France....

00:29, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Lithuania and I are invading that soon. It'll be an easy takeover.

00:32, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

To what offer are you referring? CourageousLife (talk) 00:35, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

I think Venice is already in such a plot.

00:54, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Hell yeah. Me and Luxembourg.

01:54, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

No.especially because there is no available territory in black in the area.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 07:04, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

I got a few nations now, my main one is the Arabian Federation but I have Comchellak (Madagscar), Maldives, Kuwait, Baghdad, Caliphate and now the Levant. If you can access the Southeastern Mediterrean then you can trade with me via the Levant. As for changes, I recomend downloading the maps of the years that you've missed then going through them on windows photo viewer to easily how borders and things have changed. Probably the biggest changes were the fall of Persia, Rome and Koori. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 12:09, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Then is possible, if you get territory that borders black territory.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 15:38, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Re: African Campaign
Sure thing, Saxony and the rest of the confederation would happily send an expeditionary force to assist. Just say when. Callumthered (talk) 21:19, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Nothing much. Just us being under the same color, you can control your part, and I'll control mine, and you can use all my ports and I have access to your trade routes. Also one legislature.

01:09, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

OK, let me put it this way. It's a dynastic union, except we keep our seperate kings and rights.

02:05, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Sure, I'm all for it. ^_^ Airlinesguy (talk) 09:05, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

War Against Cyrenaica
Dude, could you please not declare war against Cyrenaica? I've only recently got it, and I'd hate to lose it again so quickly. Could you please invade Carthage instead? If you do I want to become your ally (even though that's little help, lol). Please consider this, Airlinesguy (talk) 11:30, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

I'd suggest a personal union and unite your nations. But that can be done via dynastic union. Sort of like the hier of the throne of the German Empire is the Prince of Bavaria. But if you plan to unify Germany and your allies, then it makes sense. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 11:43, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

I like Von's idea.

20:41, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Let me just add its sort of like a cross between the Austro-Hungarian empire and the United Kingdom of England and Scotland what I'm trying to describe. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:32, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Well yeah you'd have large autonomy but not the titles. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:35, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Deal. Airlinesguy (talk) 22:36, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

No you're in a union. You'd have to support each other, especially in war. You can start wars but not completely independent of your partners. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:45, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Of course its civil war but you could maybe reach an agreement with other players to allow it. I dunno. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:51, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

My proposal is



Sorry for the shoddy mapmaking and the like. I would prefer if you invaded Carthage though. You'll get more land. Airlinesguy (talk) 23:25, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Can you tell me which of your nations are doing what please so I can add them to the algorithm. Which of these nations are sending aid, which are coalition leaders, etc. Just so I can add them to the algorithm easily. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 17:39, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

Okay and when was Bavaria's last government change and what is an estimation of their population? Feel free to add in your development scores into the table for Bavaria. It will save me time. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 19:09, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

this is what i'm willing to give you, its enough for you to forge an north african Empire in the Desert or to atleast try to do so in the future. Sine dei gloriem (talk) 16:08, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

PM2 independent mod check
Hello, okay I've completed our algorithm to the best of my ability and hence I am locking it and leaving it to an independent mod check to decide if its correct. Hence there is a new separate discussion in which you are to raise any problems with the algorithm if you find them. No not edit the algorithm and instead put your problems with it in that discussion and we'll reach a consensus on the issue. Hopefully this will stop the arguments. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:00, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

How does part of Indonesia sound?

01:08, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Andrew, I was wondering if you would mind very awfully if Saxony/the Confederation of the Rhine was able to get Bali? So far we've only got Khmer Koch (and that Australian colony, but that was the result of separate diplomacy with Ethiopia before the end of the war). It's a small island, but I can understand if you say no. Also, while I'm here, what's the current plan for a Greater Germanic Empire? As long as we get rights like Bavaria did otl with the Reservatrechte, and we keep administrative power over our colonies (whilst being able to use the other members'), then I'm all for it. What are your thoughts? Callumthered (talk) 10:33, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

Bavaria is orange, I just have not updated the map. Also Italia will be more than happy to keep the alliances with Bavaria and Saxony. Italia has no territories in Africa having sold St John (I think, its the one that was on the West coast) to Saxony. The City of Venice will allow the use of its arsenals to build Bavarian ships at the cost of Upper Romania (the tiny bits of Bavaria that are part of Hungary and Romania today in OTL), this will give the Bavarians one of the world's strongest navies and italia will give Bavaria working decommissioned vessels. Scandinator (talk) 02:20, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough about Bali. And sure, I will, but how exactly does one chat privately? Callumthered (talk) 07:17, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I'll be on for about an hour. Are you sure about Bali? The new division gives you less land than previously. Then again, if you do give it to me and we eventually end up in some sort of Empire, it will become largely irrelevant.Callumthered (talk) 09:57, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Hallo. Entschuldingung fuer meine schlechte Grammatik, nach dem Austausch habe ich nicht so viel Deutsch gesprochen.

Nein, ich glaube dass Sie nicht paranoid sind, ich habe aenliche Aengste gehabt. Die Brandenburger sind viel starker als Sachsen oder Bayern allein. Desto, ist ihre (sorry if that's wrong, I've never understood what the conjugation of "your" for "Sie" is) Buendnissystem eine gute Kompromis. Ich denke eines Gesetz das Krieg gegen die Drei Grossmaechte verbotet waere gut. Auch eines "Opt-out-of-Empire" Gesetz. In expansioniste Kriege, darf indivuelle Laender entscheiden, ob sie kaempfen wollen. Also in defensive Kriege darf alle Laender kaempfen. Ein rotierender Kaiserthron waere auch gut. Wir durfen auch ueben unsere eigende Kolonien aus. Aber natuerlich wird die andere laender Rechte in alle koloniaen haben (z.B. Sachsen kann soldaten in Neu Brandenburg oder Java stationen). In die Militaer, glaube ich dass der Reich darf eine verbundete Flotte (mit einem sachsischen, einem bayerischen und einem brandenburgischen Grossadmiral) haben, aber die individuelle Laender darf unabhaengige Armeen haben.

Ich glaube das das alle ist. Ich hoffe dass ich nicht unverstaendlich war. Callumthered (talk) 08:40, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

I agree, we need to present our offer to the Brandenburgers and only join if all our requests are accepted. Although we should probably wait a few turns and insert bits into our posts so it doesn't look like it's happening all of a sudden. If he agrees, I will assist in the constitution and laws in any way you deem necessary.

Now, Australia. It's a bit of a broad topic, but I'll try to give you an overview! ;)

In general, Australia's a nice place. In all the capitals (bar Darwin, but that isn't even the capital of a state) have really nice climates. In my opinion, Brisbane and Sydney have the best climates in the world. It's never so cold that a heater is actually necessary, and it's never so hot that an air conditioner is truly necessary (so long as you have a pool!) The scenery is quite beautiful in places (I personally love the Blue Mountains). Sydney and Melbourne are really nice, but the other cities are just boring. I'm in Brisbane, and while it's a nice place to live, it has no real landmarks or natural wonders that make it interesting.

I must say, the stereotype of Australians being laid back is not that far from the truth. I only really realised how...impunctual Australians are when I was in Germany. When my host family said 8:30, they meant 8:30. In Australia, 8:30 can really mean anywhere from 7:45-9:15. I consider myself lucky if my bus is less than twenty minutes late. Generally, Strines are friendly, but there are unfortunately a few bigots (racist and xenophobic) who bring us down.

If you're conservative-minded, Australia is probably a good place for you. The Liberal Party (don't heed the name, it is the main conservative party) holds power in five of the eight states and territories, and if the opinion polls are accurate, they will soon oust the Labor Party (the centre-left) in the Federal Government. Both of the major parties have very anti-asylum-seeker policies, which tend to contravene many human rights agreements.

Well I've managed to say awfully little in an awfully long space. I love speaking about my country, and I'm more than happy to answer questions which my dodgy monologue did not answer. Callumthered (talk) 09:55, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

So, do you think we send our proposal in 1740?Callumthered (talk) 10:03, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Sounds fine to me, although I ask that all of my current states be recognized as under Brandenburg proper, and that the central government have less influence on them than Brandenburg, Saxony, or Bavaria.

05:16, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

There is one problem though. Bavaria has a Kappelist majority, Saxony is Catholic, and Brandenburg is Germanic. Also, we all now have access to greater coastal areas, and you have a huge port network now.

05:23, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

OK, that should be fine then. I think we should target France when we get consolidated.

Also, I will join in 1750.

05:31, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

1750 because I just need to finish some business for the sake of my own personal gain. Also, might I suggest that my current Emperor be our first? It is because my current Kaiser is also the Tsar of Russia, and this will help us gain more basis as a powerful nation with such ties.

05:40, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with the 5 year rotation, you're right to draw connections to the HRE. I had similar thoughts about the navy, but having both independent navies and a central one would require an enormous number of ships, people and expense; unless the independent navies were to be mere rumps and more of a coastal defence force. So instead I propose that we could have independent navies, but in the event of a defensive war, the board of Sea Lords takes control of all the Empire's naval forces. That way we have the advantages of independence whilst keeping a central authority to co-ordinate during times of total war.

Now, to Catholicism. It's not really something that is easily "dropped" so long after the reformation. I also don't think it's necessary for Saxony to convert. The otl Kingdom of Bavaria remained catholic during its time in the German Kaiserreich. However, if you do find it necessary, I will have to stipulate that the Primate of Magdeburg retains his primatial status over the UMSHM and its colonies. Callumthered (talk) 08:34, June 22, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe we should have a more universal currency. The Deutsches Mark maybe?

23:36, June 22, 2013 (UTC)

The problem is that my Mark is currently worth more than yours, as I have a larger share of gold and silver, thanks to my possessions in Africa and South America.

19:10, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

You misunderstand. It is not how much money so much as it is the value of the money. The Adler would probably be worth a half-Mark.

20:20, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Honestly, I think the Adler. Saxony, Bavaria and the Confederation uses it, which should be reason enough. But really, it isn't that much of an issue at the moment. This is the 1700s, national currencies were not the only legal tender in countries. Spanish Pieces of Eight were commonly used all throughout the world, even in British territory. And on a side note, he really is pulling numbers out of thin air with regards to the exchange rate. At this point in time, money is actually worth something due to its precious metals (or its actual relation to precious metals in a vault somewhere). But back to the main point: we are so close now, we cannot let this put all our good work to waste. There's nothing wrong with using both currencies for a decade or so. I think the obvious thing to do is to make an entirely new currency (Thaler, perhaps) after a decade or so to replace the national currencies.

Also, with regards to the emperorship, I think it would be more flowing if it wasn't elected every five years, but simply rotated between the monarchs. So Bavaria five years, Brandenburg five years, Saxony five years etc. And since we're accepting the Emperor as our highest authority, I think that Bavaria's and Brandenburg's monarch should downgrade their titles to King, as it makes them a rank below the Emperor. Callumthered (talk) 21:21, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I thought my posts on the Greater Germanic Union talk page made it clear. This will end with this confederation being destroyed and I'm dividing the confederation between its neighbours (which includes you). It'll last about 10 years I rate, don't worry you guys win, and we don't really do an algorithm either since its mod stuff with a pre-determined end, but you get a war algorithm penalty though. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 18:44, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

PM2 GGU
I, Prussia, would ask you, both as a German state and as a current ally via the Greater Germanic Union, to guarantee my independence in the Congress of Avalon. Lithuania has asked for an alliance against me hoping to completely rob me of my independence, Brandenburg has responded by giving them an alliance which if they acted upon would completely go against the rules of the Greater Germanic Union. This alliance and guarantee would not be against Brandenburg, just against the destruction of me as Prussia. I would be grateful and would be in your debt.

There is also an offer of an alliance to take my ancestral German homeland back from Lithuania, this would not be a complete annexation but would take mainly border territories. Beyond those territories which I wish to reclaim, those lands are up for grabs to my allies. I hope you will support me there too. Kunarian TALK 07:54, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

He's metagaming. But I am interested in whatever plans he may have. Also I object to invading Lithuania as I have been allied with them since around the time Yank signed up as them.

20:57, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

lol that is rather weird <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 08:40, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

What is this?

20:58, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

I can do of course, its just timing it right so we are both online at same time which is the problem. Also an idea for your USA nation would be to have the Ohio and Mississippi rivers as your border with Italy. And expand along the Missouri river too. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 10:48, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

I'll try to be online later tonight when the new turn starts for PM2 so around 9-10pm UTC. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 10:59, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

They get a bonus if its a popular revolt as the rules say. I am online now and will be for about 3 hours or so, if you wanna go on chat and chat. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 19:29, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

As long as the government type doesn't change then nation age doesn't change. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 11:18, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

File
Sure, go on ahead. I got the file off from Wikimedia Commons anyway, so it shouldn't be a problem to slightly edit it, I think. -Kogasa  2013 July 13, 02:53 (CET)

I'm sorry for not responding sooner. I am happy to speak privately, but 7pm GMT is, I think, 5am AEST. I'm either asleep or at rowing training at that time, so if you want to communicate privately, you could email me at callumthered97@hotmail.com

Callumthered (talk) 23:25, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Algo is completed. Without chance, I show 164.25 vs 34. This is still rough, and I will expect the Mods to alter it around, but we are set. Declare it ASAP, so I may post it. <span style="border:3px solid blue; "> <font color="#FF0000" face="Sans-Serif" title="Reximus">Reximus   <font color="#FF0000" face="Sans-Serif" title="Talk">Maximus  05:42, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

SOCrelo
Hey! Remember this game? Well, I was bored and deccided to remake it.

Join.

No, really. Join.

(Guns, who is too lazy to write out his sig)

Oh yeah, no question. Modship is yours for the taking.

What land will you give me :P Airlinesguy (talk) 00:50, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

Isn't Cyrenaica under a 50 year lease anyway, and it's reaching the end of that period? Airlinesguy (talk) 00:56, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

Okay then. But, I'm pulling out completely, because I have a vested interest in both sides winning. Airlinesguy (talk) 01:00, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, another Whovian! Also, you may move to Australis at any time. I reserve you this right, as you have reserved me the right to move to Neu Berlin.

20:02, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

Land Deal
Hey. I was wondering if you would be willing to sell the Bavarian island south of Iceland to me in PMII? I play as Iceland btw. Hailstormer (talk) 23:08, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

RE: ICONS
they are from the old crystal os  OreoToast555(Talk)(Sandbox) 01:19, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Apology
There's no need to apologise. I could have joined the coalition against you, but I joined your side out of honour and choice. So yeah, if we do lose, I'm perfectly happy to retire to Saxon West Arica. Callumthered (talk) 04:36, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Well its not over as the table is no where near over. Plus you've not even got your vassals as war leaders so you still got a few points you can pull out as a trump card. So don't think like that when nothing is finished at all. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 12:33, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

We're on the road to winning to be honest, whichever way you slice it. You can bring up more war leaders and on top of that we have greater technology along with a larger colonial empire and more revolutionary countries on our side. Scraw is at the moment trying to give gaurantees that people won't lose land, which don't work if you're a war leader, so they join his side. To be honest we'll win, the question is by how much really. Kunarian TALK 12:42, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Well its being done, but these things take time. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 13:50, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Andrew, its all part of the plan. Keep hope! Imp (Say Hi?!) 13:51, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

On the algorithim, it does not even matter, because all it does is it takes away 1 point from all my nations. You will still have a lot of points from my nation anyway. Plus, my people want a war more closer to home (if you know what that means ;) Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:03, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

You really forgot our two stage plan??? -.- Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:09, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Do not worry. Now that you know what is going on, you know my thinking. XD Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:14, July 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * Very close now, very close. [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:45, July 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * Indeed. Possible for a few troops to be around from your side? [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:55, July 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ooh, new war, eh? Better not involve me.


 * 01:04, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

I think a win, no matter how small is a win, showing that we aren't states to be absorbed both IC and OOC is important and largely what this war is about. We either continue on our feet, take a few bruises but leave with our heads held high or we live on our knees, having taken a beating and with nothing to show for it. Status quo now will mean disruption and chaos for both sides, as this war will echo down the pages of history and form the very fabric of Europe long into the future. It's a live or die moment, imagine how the nationalists in Bavaria and Prussia would react if they heard their governments had agreed to a status quo? we'd have a new government by the end of the week or violence and rioting in the streets. We must continue, for all that we have done cannot be unwritten. Kunarian TALK 23:29, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Yes I understand, we are in a situation where any victory almost seems to be pyrrhic however any status quo or loss will be far far more devastating. After all this is over, no one will be truly strong enough to do anything, who knows this war could usher in a great Pax Germania via which war and conflict in Europe is kept to a minimum and an era of peace and prosperity begins. We will never know the results until we get them and to get good results we must commit. Now is the time to commit. Kunarian TALK 23:47, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

I'll accept on behalf of my whole coalition, but only if your whole coalition agrees to it.

00:02, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

What? signing a peace deal so that IC I can gain land and end a war? not metagaming at all. Kunarian TALK 16:58, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

No, I'm sorry. You're the main leader, so either of us pulling out of the war is ASB. Also you're asking for my heartland.

17:04, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

PMII
join me on chat?