User talk:Monster Pumpkin



Hey newbie
Hey I see your new here, if you want any help with anything or want some questions answered then you can ask me. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 15:38, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

What u would do
Well, to join, you look up your nation on the nation profiles page, then, on the main page, you manually press this key: ~, 4 times to show you signature next to the country you want. After you have done that, I will tell you more! ;D Imperium Guy 15:46, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Cool. After you have done that, you go to the latest date, 815 and edit it, writing about what is happening in your country, remember it is around the 1700s OTL. Every year up till 100 lasts a day. :D Imperium Guy 15:56, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Ther we go, best of luck! :D Imperium Guy 19:03, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Greater Americas
Slow down a tad on conquering and expansion, because you're going a tad too fast. The nations you conquer will at least put up a fight. FP 21:21, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Okay. I might have gotten reckless when I saw other countries conquered in one or two turns. What do you think is acceptable for colonization? Monster Pumpkin 00:23, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Basically, see which areas are sparsely populated and which are not. If they are, then you would need to ready your armies jst in case. Imperium Guy 10:40, January 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * ( pity... where is it being restarted?GunsnadGlory 18:39, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Inactive Nations
Sorry about that, I'll try and respond more often. FP 11:46, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Soz, I don't get where Tituhanco is, could you tell me an OTL country equivalent to it? :D Imperium Guy 23:37, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

It was in the southeast of the Muisca confederation. I think when Forsaken Pear redid the map he gave all of it to the confederation. Also, I forgot to mention, could you add Corsica, Sardinia, and the Balearic Islands to the Incas as well? Thanks. Monster Pumpkin 00:09, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

1200ad
1200ad is up good luck

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User:Waroftheworld

Soory monster, for taking down the map. However, the thing is, the bigger the resolution, the easier the map editing. Just don't shrink the map resolution, it you want to edit the map. It will mainly be mods but if something is missing, just add it! ;D Imperium Guy 10:29, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

yes you can be a moderator just dont go power crazy k?

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User:Waroftheworld

1200 AD suggestions
since your a mod on 1200ad now what do you think of random events such as plagues floods rebellions earthquakes etc tell me what you think

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User:Waroftheworld

What did I say? I agree on the algorythim. Both games need them, lol!! :D Imperium Guy 21:56, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

It is actually a very good algorithim!! I think finding out the size would be a problem and I think the luck should be between 1-10. That's all, well done!! :D Imperium Guy 22:04, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Ok. BTW, please keep the map the same size after you've edited it, please!! ;D Imperium Guy 22:12, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Please don't add the shrunken version of maps on the game page. It is a request! Imperium Guy 22:42, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

What you need to do is copy the expanded version of the map and paste it onto pait. After this, edit it and save. Then add it. Simples!! :D Imperium Guy 22:48, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Give me a link to the page you have created. After this, I will do whaever necessary to delete the page. :D Imperium Guy 22:59, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

I have done whatever necassary to get the page deleted. Your version is now safe!! :D Imperium Guy 23:13, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

States of America Revised and Reloaded (Map Game)
Welcome to the game, you may post on the first turn of the game, its started today, and if you wnat you can be a mod and/or a mapmaker. DeanSims 17:58, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

hey, can you upload the original map from states of america r&r please, i have to update it. DeanSims 18:20, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

nah, its ok, i found it, thanks though dude. the games getting pretty far now, Georgai is at war with Cuba now. DeanSims 18:47, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Can you do me a favor?
i will be gone for a week or two, and I was wondering if you could control my nations on my map games while Im gone, please reply with your answer, I could use your help. DeanSims 19:42, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

thanks dude, here they are:

states of america r&r:

greater americas: hot cold war: thanks, DeanSims 20:03, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * michigan: continue to expand and build up your military. support Georgia in its war agaisnt Cuba.
 * georgia: keep expanding and take all you can from Cuba in your current war.
 * germany-switzerland: keep expanding into Italy and Germany. stay at peace with user controlled nations.
 * west germany: keep building up you navy and military as well as air force, stay out of wars if you can, and if you cant, you have your military in its best possible shape, launch a massive invasion of your enemy with your thousands upon thousands of King Tiger V Panzers. You have nukes as well, use them wisley.
 * great britain: keep mass producing nukes and King Tiger V Panzers, oh, do the same for West Germany too. If you go to war, or W Germany goes to war, support eachother, you are allies and not members of any major alliance. blockade anyone who attacks, and if either are attakced, launch a massive invasion of the attacker/s.
 * try and make peace as early as possible but get as much out of the peace treaty as possible.

Help
I am not really sure on how to make tables, but I'll try to help, lol! :D Imperium Guy 20:58, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

What you do is this: Nation name. And walla, you have a flag with nation! :D Imperium Guy 21:32, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Welcome. :D Imperium Guy 21:43, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Then incorperate the algorithim from 1200 A.D. you created. Its pretty good and will work perfectly. I am also about to go to war, in North America!! :D Imperium Guy 22:12, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

alogrithm
i agree we need a alogrithm and yours is good set it up

I don't see why not! :D Imperium Guy 21:18, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Think about it for a second... Do you really need that colony? And do you really need to go to war on a foriegn land? Your populace will not be pleased. I have shared Australia with Patagon, same with New Zealand. Try to buy it off him. If he says yes (which he might ;D), then situation over. If he doesn't ten try to expand other colonies and discover new lands in Europe. I don't think you need to go to war, many other lands await you... :D Imperium Guy 22:31, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Interested?
There's a new map game about and I was wondering if you'd be interested. Its called Mongols Discovers Americas and it needs a few mods to get it off its feet. FP 21:03, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Well, its joint administration, that is why the asking thing works both ways. You mainly control infrastructure in the south but you don't need to ask him about things like roads or schools to be built all over Japan. Mainly about a defense force and other things like that is where you need to consult him. :D Imperium Guy 21:55, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Thing is, you are going too fast. In the game, the horde of barbarians would have heard about you in western Europe and readied themselves. You have half of your land remaining and Kiev is under seige. Imperium Guy 21:16, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Don't see why not!! =D Imperium Guy 21:38, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Apologies
Looking at it, I honestly cant see a way to deal with the issue. Messing with the code doesn't do anything good, for me.

Source code is an account option, that you need to change yourself.

If it helps any, wikipedia doesn't even have it up as you describe.

Lordganon 01:27, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

map game
Do you want to join our map game link to it is here --> Oh, What Happened To Our Lovely Planet? (Map Game) Galleth Grimsnak 20:44, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Updatede map
Hey, i made an updated map of the greater americas game. i would like to become a map maker on tthe game if possible. DeanSims 21:17, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

I accept your offer. Hopefully we can destroy this pesky Europeon. Also, would you like to form an alliance between us. We can divide up the world among ourselves. I agree--TacoCopper 03:33, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

I would say around 100,000.--TacoCopper 03:48, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Wait, that would be unrealistic, I will just say 30,000. I was about to accept them. I will give you France, as long as my settlers can return home. France has been too much trouble for me, I am going to focus on Africa.--TacoCopper 17:57, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Of course, I'll accept any help against the Amazonians. I though want Paris, Brest, and Orleans. Bobalugee1940 03:32, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Here are plans for a divided Europe Bobalugee1940 15:45, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Hey ive got a better deal, take some of the UA at home: DeanSims

Here is another plan Bobalugee1940 18:04, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

hey pumpkin, can you take control of my coutries again for a little while please? just start a turn on states of america r&r every day and be reletnless in the war against Europe in greater americasDeanSims 20:35, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

The Amazonians have agreed to a status quo antebellum agreement, we hope you can agree to that as well. Bobalugee1940 20:36, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

You'll get five dollars. Bobalugee1940 20:56, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

help please
hey pumpkin, can you take control of my coutries again for a little while please? just start a turn on states of america r&r every day and be reletnless in the war against Europe in greater americasDeanSims 20:35, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Greater Americas
what if we just simply don't attempt to expand westwards, because I wan't land to the east. I promise I won't take any land in deep africa, only north africa, and I'll leave the Arabian peninsula to the Americans. Bobalugee1940 21:22, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Could I buy Tasmania off you as it doesn't seem any use to you, lol! :D Imperium Guy 16:35, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know what you want. I just really want Tasmania. How about I let your hunters hunt game in Tasmania while I cintrol the island? :D Imperium Guy 20:26, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Uh, ok. :D Imperium Guy 20:34, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Mongols Discover America
It dosen't look like the anon that made it is going to do any more, so i think we as mods should take it up and get it running. FP 10:44, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

DD
Lets see. Um, where do you want your nation to be situated? :D Imperium Guy 20:37, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure about Europe or America, and Central Asia is mostly covered by the re-formed USSR. I always post them because I am usually in a good mood. :D Imperium Guy 20:45, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Land
That land was transfered to the Incans. And the land in South America as well. I can fix that on the game if it wasn't clear enough.--TacoCopper 23:05, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Could you please let Antilia have the rest of the Confederation? :D Imperium Guy 11:51, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Many reasons:

BTW, any ideas for Doomsday? :D Imperium Guy 20:23, February 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * It will save your empire from overstretching and the populace rioting
 * It will make you better allies with the Antilians, and more importantly giving them more land to stabilize themselves. A stable neighbhour is a better neighbour.
 * It will leave them in your debt, therefore you can ask for due favors when needed (think about it, war exploration etc.)
 * It will make your government generous in the eyes of your populace.

Cool. About DD, you should see where the nukes struck and then plan your country accordingly. :D Imperium Guy 20:35, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Not really, no. However, they do mean you can ask the founder of the article whether you can expand the article and add you own information. :D Imperium Guy 20:44, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

You don't need to ask him. Just start the article and put the proposal template!! :D Imperium Guy 20:56, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

I am going to try my best. :D Imperium Guy 22:23, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Well, claimed usually means that the area is under the control of the nation claiming them, as firefoms, really. :o Imperium Guy 22:27, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

DD Areas
Well, as said, the area in Afghanistan is part of the Northern Alliance, and Slovakia, more or less already covered by a different proposal.

Your new proposal is a good one. Quite frankly, work on that one first, and get it graduated, then work on another.

As for suggestions....

Well, most of the world is pretty well covered by now, with only room for small states.

There's a few small ones in Spain and India with no articles. Note, however, that the Indian ones would be a bad idea, as they will be fighting a losing war soon, and getting annexed.

There's also room in the Northwest Congo, northwest Afghanistan or Northern South Africa for something small, as well as parts of Western Russia.

Past that, city-states or things of similar size are possibilities in many locations, especially western Russia and parts of the US Midwest.

Scattered small state ideas are scattered around the articles on the former US States, too.

Please inquire, however, before committing to any ideas. That way there's nothing like the last, lol.

Lordganon 08:29, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

hey, made a new page where people post there ideas for map games, you usualy have good ideas, you should post a few on the page. DeanSims 19:25, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Firefoms
What exactly is a firefom? I googled it and got "did you mean firefox?" And Dictionary.com has no results.Oerwinde 21:55, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

hey, are you still on? DeanSims 18:54, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

I will. And I will try to on your tl as well!! :D Imperium Guy 20:38, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Withdraw from W Germany!!
Nukes are aimed at E Germany, so youd better withdraw from the UKAG.

nothing against you pumpkin, just agaisnt your nation in the game

see ya,

DeanSims 00:30, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

OK, im done in Hot Cold War,I cede the UKAG to you to unit with East Germany and Austria to form the Anglo German Republic. DeanSims 00:41, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Im getting too obsessed with the game and I think I need to leave it... and AvAreoladed. DeanSims 00:48, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Austria can go under your control to in AvAro, and it can unite wit Rumania to form some country. DeanSims 00:52, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Im done wit hot cold war and avaro, i going to work on my timelines and try to stay away from "the next big game". DeanSims 00:52, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

please post my decsions on the respective map games. my computer is screwed up and makes all the text one big blob DeanSims 00:56, February 26, 2012 (UTC)


 *  Austria will unite with Rumania to form the Union of Balkan Republics and it will be under Monsterpumpkins control and it will take the land if the plebsicites give any of that alnd to Austria. DeanSims 01:22, February 26, 2012 (UTC) 
 * you cant have Austria broken up please do what my final request above says. DeanSims 01:24, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

its ok. youd didnt know. i left those two games because that is wahat i did on Fractured America, and I killed the game because of my actions. I think Im begining to act like Rebelsoldier, and I cant let that happpen. and sure, the Kingdom of the Balkans is fine. You get alll lands tat Austria was to gain after the plebiscites take place. DeanSims 01:28, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

I am fine with that. --TacoCopper 03:01, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

are you there dude?? DeanSims 18:51, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

oh, sorry about interypting your homework, but could you take over my antions while Im gone this week? again?

and what kind of homework is it, im in 10th grade and im barely passing pre-algebra 2. DeanSims 19:04, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

here they are
thanks. im in physical science part 2, and next year is adanvaced chem, so im kind of in chmeistry/pre-physics. and im kind of stuck on my math work, you see were graphing by substituting and eliniation, i get how to eliminate and substitue, but not how to get the equations from the graphs and vice versa.

hot cold war: ukag: just keep me at peace, im trying to have peace talks with you right now (fdrg)

swedish victory: keep expanding military and into khazakistan as well as all of the colonies.

allies vs entente: mexico, keep building up your military and air force. germany: you are at war with Austria-Hungary, take as much land as you can from A-H without starting WW1.

SUBTERRAINIAN EUROEP: i spelled that wrong. sweden, finish the war with england and take all you can fromEngland, specificaly Eglsih France. Keep expanding into Russia and Ireland.

greater americas: Brazil: keep expanding your colonies and improving pverty rates and fix the country up internaly as well as expand the army and navy. please keep my Scandanvia colony as it is and do not go around it with Incan land, my colonies need to be expanded, with my Scandanvia one keep going eastwards, you can have all land southof my Scandanavia colony, just let me keep it going eastwards

vive la revolution: Britain: help the Ottoamn empire against Persia and abide by the treaty i singed with america, which cannot gain any land without the UK's aproval

thanks, i might have forgotten one, im not sure.

DeanSims 19:18, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

i want to keep expanding eastwards. Ill tell you waht, I will give you Scandanvai for France and parts of Spain. DeanSims 19:27, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

and i forgot Principia Moderni, I am the Incan Colombian Republic, jjust keep expanding by 5 pixels every turn in all directions. DeanSims 19:28, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

here, i get france and spain while you get Scandanavia and a prmoise by me that you can transport military adn civllians trhough the Straits of Gibraltar unhamred for the next 50 years. DeanSims 19:31, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Scandanvai is vital though, I can just go around Taiwan. give my your north african possessions, that would be ok with me. DeanSims 19:35, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

i already have korea and can estalbish new colonies in China. can I have your north African possessions, those have more intersts to me, and i get id of the pesky muslims so you dont have to deal with them. that was tin cocceopt with the gaem ONLY, i have nothing against real woorld Muslims as long as they are not terroirits. DeanSims 19:45, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

i will agree to that its just that I want one of your north african colonies, I can give you money or another of my colonies DeanSims 19:56, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

I accept as long as you will still help me conquer these lands and you stop expanding at the Ural Mountains. DeanSims 20:07, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

ok, you can post it on the game page right now if you want, and im Sweden in Avaro, I play the game without going power crazy now! DeanSims 20:10, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

ive gotta go now. see ya later dude. and thank you for your help, please take over Sweden for me too while Im gone. DeanSims 20:20, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Many of the New Answers
Unfortunately, between the Kaliningrad strike, the fallout from those in Poland, and refugees from other nearby ones, there's basically no survivors in the area. Those that remain, in the south/southeast and the north/northeast, fall under Courland and East Poland, respectively. Not possible for a state to be there.

Think here may already be a timeline in that regard about Kerguelen. If not, there was one that was at least discussed. Either way....

It really wouldn't save any remnants of the dinosaur era - those events were global. About the best I can say for it in that regard is that its animal life would be very similar to that found in New Zealand otl.

The displaced water would largely end up in the groundwater, or water system in the region. As well as frozen in the glaciers that would exist in such a location. Might even see the Antarctic Ice Shelf extend a little further to touch it.

The first and third of those projects are useless. And the second is vastly overinflated. Technology would not increase, at all.

And, a note on R&D projects like those - depending on the purpose and industry, most of these projects come to nothing and are money pits. Things like that normally end for very good reasons.

Lordganon 04:56, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Both coming, and going. Not like they actually know where safe zones are, lol.

Smolensk got hit badly, and is entirely toasted. Belarus and the RC are both by now not too far from there - wouldn't work out anyways.

There's a reason why all dinosaurs died out - and at that latitude, it would have been worse. No way any like that could possibly have survived. Best you could hope for are something akin to Komodos, and given the location, that's just not very likely at all.

Have a look into similar aircraft to that one. Unless its a glider, they are basically useless in most ways until the 1980s, for good reasons. And, it's only the B-2s that are like that today - which without computers to help control, would be hard, at best, to fly. Heck, past the one use, they aren't really used - except for gliders - today. It's just not a workable concept in that era, as repeated crashes on the model you quote, and similar ones, showed.

Fact of the matter is, the tech in that saucer - and similar ones - remains useless today.

Note that that truck, and the newer robot version, are both not in use, and they are not able to meet any requirements. Add to that that in that context, there's many cheap options - soldiers carrying their own things especially - that are better, and that walking things like that are extremely inefficient and prone to breaking. That's been shown to be the case, repeatedly.

Really, your proposed timeline is about changes in the southern Indian Ocean. The effect on the rest of the world would be very minimal, and tech would have entirely no reason to advance at all, except maybe in polar work, given the presence of a second large nation so close, in addition to Australia.

Bet on the French, btw, being the first colonists on any level, and then the Brits getting the region.

Lordganon 02:22, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Quite frankly, that is foolish. You need to be following the KISS principle, not the opposite.

If you were to put that plateau in, it would change world history after its discovery. In that context, the USA more than likely would not exist, and even if it did, it would not be in any form like you're describing. And that's not even considering all of the other changes.

You're missing the point about those aircraft. It took 50 years otl, a massive bank of computers, and a truly disturbingly massive amount of money to get around it, and each and every commercial project in that direction has not gotten off the ground for that simple fact. Fact of the matter is, by putting an engine into those aircraft, they will crash. Hell, even with the computers, the B-2s are very poor aircraft and have crashed. There's virtually no way around that fact. Virtually no Air Force would have them - heck, the USAF regrets getting them otl because of the expense.

Any sort of walking machine is far more prone to breaking down than any other kind of machine. There is so many joints and moving parts in these things that it will happen. There's a reason why there's never been any of these things in real usage, or any serious prototypes. Add to this that they are so slow that they are sitting ducks. Plus, as you say, they would be difficult to operate. As is the case today, helos, animals, and men would be the ones that take the supplies. Quite frankly, a common criticism for things with walkers is that they aren't realistic, and in recent work, you can even see a move away from these things for that reason.

Overall, you're falling into some of the traps in writing of this nature. Yes, technology can be faster. But, it doesn't do so exponentially without a PoD like in Superpowers, which is not the case in your TL. And, while something may sound cool, or be something seen often in SF/AH, like walkers, that does not mean it's at all realistic. Yes, war does make tech advanced slightly faster - one less lecture on that matter, yay! - but the impact is not massively so.

Lordganon 05:52, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

No, we hadn't agreed on it. Glad you agree, however.

You're wrong about the date of discovery.

Magellan's voyage - well, the return voyage, after his death, but the point holds - would have passed close enough to see evidence of land (birds, wood, etc.), and actually stood a very good shot of seeing the raised plateau outright even ignoring the signs, in 1522. Drake would have seen the signs, too, and given that he and his men were not desperate, he'd have investigated for sure, in 1579-1580.

And, even if not? Abel Tasman would have discovered it without question in 1642.

That's ignoring that the Plateau is not that far off of the trade routes to India and back, meaning that someone would have blown there eventually, or sailed there accidentally, long before the 1700s. It's not a tiny island, but another continent. It's going to be found.

Really, Tasman's voyage is the latest it's going to be found.

Using any of those dates/timeframes, you've got at least a century and thirty years before the revolution for things to change. Saying that anything happened as otl after that, with all of those resources, and another large area to fight wars over, is just not plausible. As I stated, all of this stands a good chance of negating the Revolution entirely, and if not, would change/delay it, without question.

What you're missing about the B-2s is the amount of downtime. And that for every error/problem that causes an incident, there are hundreds that are caught and fixed before that, or do have a significant impact, but not result in something recorded in media. Quite frankly, the funds they spend yearly, spent originally, and the fights over it - all of which have significantly hindered the USAF budget and the acquisition of new aircraft. Many military figures argued against it, and still do - and the fact that they are looking at phasing out the planes by 2020 or so, compared to the massive lives of other massive-range bombers, speaks for itself. They do regret it, overall.

Flying wings do have some potential at the present, and will likely one day become far cheaper to use - but not anytime soon.

Walkers, however, have been proven time and time again to have none. In the future, maybe. But not likely. There's a number of studies out now against it, even. Heck, I read an article once - you can probably google it - that proved why the ones in Star Wars on Hoth couldn't actually stand up, as an example.

What else do you expect Northop to say? While there may or may not be some truth to it - no one has been able to confirm such a thing - the facts about the large expense of these aircraft remain. Each and every reference to these aircraft refers to them as being full of technical difficulties, being behind schedule, over budget, and full of well documented performance and design issues. Add to that that Northop himself had a massive independent streak. The B-2s were so over-budget that it's actually disturbing, as a case in point.

Nowhere in that did I say that you wanted it anything like Superpowers. The most you're going to get with a slightly more warlike history is a decade or two. The net result of which would be very minor, overall.

And, saucers are still getting tested today, and have been such since the 1940s, truth be told. No net progress has been made.

Lordganon 09:35, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Good date for discovery.

The rest, however....

The English wouldn't be the first colonizers. In that era, until after the 1650s, they had almost no pull in the east. I expect that the Dutch, and maybe the Portuguese as well, would establish colonies on the continent. The region would be a very good stopping point on the route to the Indies, and being larger than the islands in the Indian Ocean used for it otl, would be vastly more important. Bet on this happening by 1600. It's also going to be fairly warm, compared to a lot of areas colonized otl - and an uninhabited strategic place too.

I expect that the area will turn into another area of contention between the powers, though the Brits and French will come to rule, most likely. Odds are the Dutch get kicked out by 1700, and both of those two establish colonies. Portuguese hang on like Goa in India - too small to worry about, no effort at colonizing anywhere by them, and better left alone.

The net result of all of this is another front for the wars of the 1700s. Now, before this era, differences would likely be small - slightly reduced numbers of colonists, slightly smaller armies, etc. in other places. Should be no net difference.

But, in these wars, it's another front for the French and Brits to fight in. Colonial attitudes and other things, as seen in North America, more or less dictate that the Brits will outnumber the French by a wide margin. Doesn't mean that it would be easy for them, however.

Here, we would see changes - largely, smaller numbers of colonists in NA, and smaller armies in and around there too. Overall outcome wouldn't change. But the finer details... those would.

The colonists coming here instead of to NA would slow down campaigning there. Not by the French, but definitely by the Brits. Same goes for the armed forces.

Given how close the last few campaigns were in North America, I expect the Brits will draw the French. They'll lose territory in the region, but not all like in otl. In Europe, I expect the French will win a couple more battles and a slightly different amount of territory changes hands. In the new atl regions, French lose theirs to the Brits.

Overall, it ends up being a cross between Australia and the otl Indian Ocean Islands.

As for the American Revolution, in that context? Most of its causes vanish. Won't happen.

Now, the rest of your post...

The colony wouldn't have men to send to NA in any American revolt. Heck, the Brits would be weaker from garrisoning the new atl land.

Spain has no fleet worth mentioning in the east.

Austria wouldn't take a colony. Makes absolutely no sense at all. They simply couldn't ever support it or anything. They wouldn't ask, and neither would anyone else.

If in the realm of ASB the Germans somehow got the island, it would be invaded and conquered within a year, at most. They stood no chance of defending any of their colonies, and they recognized that fact - heck, it was in their war aims to secure territory in Europe, and use part of it as a bargaining chip to regain their colonies.

Why on earth would Spain get involved in anything like that, and why on earth would they get a new colony when they couldn't even support what they had? Nor would they take over a colony of Germans. That makes no sense at all.

No resources from this area could get to Europe. Thus, Axis nukes - which in all manners couldn't exist anyways, as they actually had more than enough uranium to make bombs and botched it anyways - can't happen, and Allies win, in same timeframe.

If the Germans still are Fascist and strong in Europe, how on earth does NATO exist, and communism pose an actual threat?

Not like Madagascar. The animals there are from Africa, not separate like those of New Zealand. Yes, you'll see many of the same long-term symptoms as there, but it's not a comparison at all, considering how recently Africa was connected to Madagascar, unlike what would be the case in the new atl land and New Zealand.

Lordganon 09:02, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Drake would be the discoverer, but the Dutch the first settlers among many.

You're reading far too much into that alliance. Plus, the alliance would no longer exist after Portugal disappears. Which, of course, is another change with global consequences that would change everything after it.

Nowhere did you say that the Germans were with the Allies. Which makes no sense, either.

Argentina and southern New Zealand are both very habitable.

There's "bit" implausible, and literally impossible. Your notes, by and large, are more towards the latter. Sorry to say it, but for such a thing to not have global implications, when it obviously would, and even more so for the Austrians/Prussians to get it, is just not at all possible.

Lordganon 02:46, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Oh! And ASB....

Start with wikipedia, here.

Gives where it originates, why, what it is, etc.

The External Links part at the bottom has links to more info, and lists of examples if my memory serves.

Lordganon 02:48, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Battle for earth
Good point about the Hemaglobin, I changed it. The Sagetarious galaxy is a very small galaxy near the milky way. I'm not playing as the entire salaamberian nation, just as the Imperial Salaamberian complany, a company which regulates colonies in the milky way (similar to the british east india company)Wegscuba 22:13, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

DANG IT, I FORGOT RADON WANS'T A METAL!.....(never was good at science) anyway, I just added the Tech suff to give a basic Idea what to expect from a Salaamberian army. anyway by "pioneered" i didn't necissarily mean that they pioneered for other races, Just on their homeworld. Plus, they have Hyperdrive, so i don't think it would be a problem to travel that distance.

Prussia joiining the Anglo-American alliance agasint Spain
you get good portion Patagonia and a jump start colony in Africa and a couple of the Bahama Islands. Mexico and Argentina gain indepednace. and i accept the Prussain allaicne offer. DeanSims 16:43, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

America and Britan want land, and with Spain out of the Americas, Prussia can expand unheaded into Patagonia. DeanSims 16:47, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

yes you can have the islands. and dont worry about it. im just glad you took care of some of them. if it wasnt for you, most of my nations would have gone into chaos or something or been conquered, so im just glad you did what you did. thanks for doing it by the way, i apreciate it.

DeanSims 16:55, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

and put your nation on the new Pact of Iron page. DeanSims 16:55, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

ok, the UKAG wants to keep parts of Germany, but will cede the southern third of UKAG Germany ot the FDRG as well as giving the FDRG the promise that the rest of Germany will be given to the FDRG within 12 years. DeanSims 19:06, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

the war has begun. Please declare war on Spain DeanSims 17:49, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

dude please delcare war on Spain, as the war has begun. DeanSims 18:04, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

Dravimos Pictures
What source are you using for your Dravimos prictures? They look really cool. I'm using Star Wars for my battleships and all. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:58, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Your species page is really cool, and I especially like the space station with frigates in the background and the pictures of the Dravimosian Marines. The Flag and Seal are nice too. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:02, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

You too. Let's just hope we don't have a war with the Terran! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:17, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Leaving G.A
Hey, Pumpkin, I'm going to leave the Greater Americas and I'm going to leave it to you and Imp, so if you want that tiny strip of land at the top of south america, then you are free to attack! FP 09:48, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Sandboxes
MP, that was not how you make one. I've made one for you, and moved that content to it. You can find it here. Lordganon 18:39, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

No worries. I knew that was the problem, lol. You're far from the first to have that problem. Lordganon 07:57, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

damint pumpkin, you know what, im sick of this, your so uptight about greater americas and youwont let anyone touch uncolonized alnds that you want. i cant frickin beleive this. you edited th e map and killed my f'in colonies. i cant beleive this. im done. Brazil is asking for unifaction with Europe. DeanSims 19:02, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Dean needs to be a bit more polite, lol. I have only learnt how to make flags like 3 months ago, I used to annoy 9/Kogasa (and sometimes Nuke) to make them for me!! :/ But I think I will be able to manage what you are requesting me to do. You will however need to tell me about these copic symbols and colours you are talking about more in detail!! Ta! :D Imperium Guy 21:20, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Please no duplicates
Greetings. I wanted to let you know that I deleted your "Arab Egypt" flag, as it is the same flag as File:Flag of Egypt.svg. Please try to keep this in mind when uploading new flags. Thank you very much. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 21:35, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, don't exactly upload copies... I did that, and Nuke knows first hand about it! :/ I tried to put the copic symbol into the shield, didn't work. If I was really good, I would be able to replace the present shield with the copic one but one can only dream. I will try to give you a choice of flags and let you choose. :D Imperium Guy 21:40, March 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * No worries, just wanted to tell you. Otherwise, have fun ^_^ --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 22:42, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Flag
Here are 5 flag options which you can choose from what you like. The first flag is basically the Egypt flag with the first flag mainly the Egyptian flag but in Gold. The other two have the copic flag in the center. The last two flags don't have the copic shield and have the present CoA, but it has the copic cross. Hope you like them, and any changes tell me. :D Imperium Guy 13:16, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Your very welcome!! :D Imperium Guy 23:08, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

New AVE Game
Well, I would go more along the lines of "Alliances" until we consolidate the Alliances we form. For example, if we create the Triple Powers and the Four Allies, we would name it "Powers vs. Allies." So it should be Alliances for now. Let's start it 00:00 UTC tomorrow. And yes, I would like to be co-founder. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:42, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Ok. So we'll start it 0000 UTC/Midnight Saturday. Maybe we should have vote over who gets the Five Great European Powers. So, I think that would be 7:00 PM EST. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:08, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, MP. I just wanted to tell you that in the new AVE Game, we should watch out. And on a second note, I'm kinda displeased over how the division of the Great European Powers worked out. The objective of this game is to form different alliances. The way things are now, when World War I breaks out, it'll be the same as OTL, with the Entente winning (again). So I was thinking we could combine the "Alternate Allies" proposal (see this) with this game. That way, it'll have more of an "alternate" spin to it. Anyways, its your call. Also, I've chosen not to participate in this game. I'll just be some sort of mod who strikes things out and all that stuff. I may join eventually. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:51, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Not the whole map, just a few inconsistencies here and there. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:16, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry, I fixed them. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:29, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Pact of Iron/Vive La Revolution
The Pact needs The Duch Republic to declare war on Mexico and send military support. You will gain land in Mexico if you help. Please post on the game page.

DeanSims 15:45, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

can you please reply and particapte in the Pact, you are a member. DeanSims 17:01, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

sorry i yelled last time, i was having a bad day. DeanSims 17:01, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

just post that Prussia declares war on Mexico to support the Pact of Iron in a diplomatic post, I will give you the Yucatan Penninsula and Guatemala if you join the war agaisnt Mexico NOW. DeanSims 17:17, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

1983 DD Tajikistan
You're reading a little too much into the maps. Plus, there's been states graduated since that which impact the area - some of which control parts of Tajikistan.

Between them, states previously existing, and the Siberians, there's no way there's any states there.

Best that article could be is an article on the area, similar to the Germany and Bulgaria articles.

Lordganon 21:29, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I've got a more or less updated version ready to go, but.... some of the territorial changes shown have not quite happened yet.

Not quite what I'm saying. Basically, the article could be turned into an article on the events occurring in the region after DD. Like, as stated, the Germany, Bulgaria, China, and the former US State articles.

Lordganon 21:56, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Central Allies vs Triple Alliance
I will, sorry about that. I thought I had already resigned, but my labtop is screwing up and keeps freezing when I try to publish.TacoCopper 16:59, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

3E vs. CA
If TacoCopper does resign, can I take France? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:16, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Ok then. Thanks. :) Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:51, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Re: New Union Rubles
I am sorry, but someone proposed them a while ago. I don't know who the artist was, but these were part of a proposal from OTL for the Russian ruble (which never came to be). They are posted here. Sorry, but this is all I know. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 22:16, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Triple Alliance vs Central Alliance
It didn't just freeze on that map game, it often froze before I could get to that game and other ones. However, I didn't get to add that game to my favorites bar, so I kinda forgot about it.--TacoCopper 01:18, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

I always thought that the Enumus might look like Bigfoot. For my race, I thougt they might look like large snaks, but with arms and legs, and more larger. I was editing a pciture of what it might look like, but my labtop froze in the middle of editing it and I never got around to re-making it.--TacoCopper 00:24, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Is it ok for me to join as Panama?

David Rain 16:14, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

476 AD: Rome Is Falling (Map Game)
wanna join? DeanSims 16:42, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

hey, you there?DeanSims 16:36, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

theres this game thats a lot like alternatehistory i play and i think its pretty fun, you raise troops, navies, conquere, get conquered, conquere tribal vilalges (wich can revolt) put down revolts, just try it out, you will like it. http://en.grepolis.com/invite-2781843-en29?invitation_id=161762&invitation_mac=066805f0&ref=player_invite_linkrl

DeanSims 16:41, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

TSPTF
Hey, I've noticed that while you've only been here about 3 months, you've been great on the map games, plausible, etc. I'm wondering if when you get to 6 months, you'd be interested in joining the TSPTF. The TSPTF is an elite (lol) force that patrols the wiki for vandalism, sockpuppets, and more! So, you up for it? PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 16:46, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

so did you check the game out? DeanSims 16:52, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

your city would be right next to mine, literaly, and I can get you into my allaince, which currently has over 80 members. all you have to do is sing up real quick and I can help you get started. DeanSims 16:56, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

i made you an email just for the game so you dont get spammed on your real email, here it is:

website: mail.com

email: monsterpumpkin@mail.com

password: althistory

DeanSims 17:22, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

i made your account to:

username: monsterpumpkin

password: althistory

DeanSims 17:30, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

sorry, you can delete the account if you want, its completely your choice. feel free to change the eamil and accoun t passwords too if you want to. DeanSims 17:38, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

i also just sent you some troops to help support you in the early stages of the game. DeanSims 17:39, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

god no, i stay away from those ones like the plague. i sent you some support troops and jump started your expasnion of buildings. Be sure to build a barracks first, so you can train your own troops, but when the Phonecian merchant comes, if you have enought silver form your cites mine saved up you can buy troops instead or trade wood for silver and then but troops. upgrade your farm to, the more you get, the bigger your militita while when you get an academy, you can train other troops and then research technology to get other stuff. DeanSims 17:48, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

go to settings and click on the delte account tap, go ahead and keep the eamil if you want, i dont need it. DeanSims 18:10, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Status/Position
Hey, everyone copied my Online/Offline thing! Or was there someone else who started it? As far as I can tell, I creted it, RWG followed, PitaKang followed, and uploaded a flashy image, and now you! lol XD

Although, seriously, has anyone else done this? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:43, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, well tht's easy. Go to the the top of the page, where it says "Monster Pumpkin" next to the fish. Then click on the down arrow and go to preferences. There's a section for you signature. Click "custom signature" and type in the coding for the flag! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:16, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Featured
Hey, MP. I just wanted to tell you that I nominated Age of Kings for Featured. Best of luck to you and your timeline against your objectors! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 05:13, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Quite so. I'm very glad that you have also noted this happening. Since you and I both play in a multitude of map games, we do ought to keep them alive and active. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:20, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Iraq in DD
You'd have to talk to the three authors involved in writing the story of the former state of Iraq before starting anything there. Really, I know that they have organized plans for the area - you'd likely be better off just leaving it alone.

As for length.... it varies. There's no net answer I can give you, overall. Kind of a "case-by-case basis." If you need to know about a particular article, just ask and I can give you a clue.

Lordganon 22:46, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Battle for Earth Revised
Yes, I think we should restart the game. A couple of weeks ago, I had some proposals for the game, but I basically forgot them all. I think the following should be added to the game: I really liked the original game, so I think we should keep the old going if anyone still plays it.
 * Nobody can have intergalactic travel unless they existed since 2.5 billion years ago.
 * The oldest date of origin should be 45 million years ago. Before that, any race would have conquered the whole galaxy.
 * No destruction of Earth or anything in the Solar System.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:43, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and also join up on The War that Came Early! Britain is still open! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:45, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Ha, you took Germany. Surprised me there! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:06, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I agree on the asteroids rule. No, I can't think of any strengths or weaknesses. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:06, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

You too? What a coincidence. I forgot some great weaknesses and strengths as well. Yes, I agree on creating it tomorrow. Perhaps we could create the game at 1:00 Eastern Standard Time? A couple of the map gamers are on at that time. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:17, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Oh ok I understand. I think I can be on at that time too. I just hope I can get America or get Canada again. I still keep the Regenetech Empire, though. Are you keeping the Dravimos? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:22, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

I think it should be a generic race. This "Generic Race," can have its ships discovered by other race, captured by humans, and be completely destroyed by any of us only to reappear five minutes later. Sort of like an inside joke, but still completely necessary and essential. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:31, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

No, I forgot to change it last night and just got on. XD Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:08, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Sure, But can you show me the map? I don't want any inconsistencies and I want to make the RE is shown in full. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:23, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

BFER
Sure, I will join. Thanks for telling me that Battle For Earth is being revised. TacoCopper

Joint Timeline
Huh, that seems like a strange coincidence. Sure I'd like to make a joint timeline. But would it be classified as some sort of ASB? I think a logical POD is that some of the planetesimals fail to get closer to the sun due to some other ones (the ones that formed OTL Asteroid Belt) block their way. Then yes, something could be knocked into Earth orbit, thus giving it the two moons. Then, with an already existing moon, when something crashed into Earth, more debris would fall back to Earth while some more would become a moon. Thusly, with Earth's gravitational pull and that of its two moons, more tides would be there on Earth, causing the breakup of continents and reformation of shores differently, giving rise to another continent. Then, also with this combined gravity, something of Venus would be able to stay in orbit! Then since Venus would not be a killer toxic zone, small life could possibly form there!

Well, that's all I have for now! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:57, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking the gas giant should be after Caelus (Uranus was Greek, dunno why they didn't use Caelus.) so that we can continues the son-father pattern. (Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Caelus) Then we should name it after Aether, the Roman counterpart of Aether, the father of Uranus/Caelus in some myths. And maybe we could name the other planet Prosperina, after Pluto's wife, Persephone to the Greeks. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:40, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Also, I think we should rename the first planet Icarus. You know who that is, right? I think Vulcan should go to one of those asteroid-planets. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:45, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking that Earth's two moon could be called Luna and Diana, after the Roman counterpart for Artemis. Also, do you read Greek mytholongy or the Percy Jackson books? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:50, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I think we should call the last and sixteenth planet Tyche or Nemesis. See this and this for more. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:55, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I see what you're saying about Diana being outside Pluto and everything, but I think something else like Charon, Iapetus, or Krios fits better. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:05, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, okay. That sounds about right. For a moon of Venus, how about Eros or Aphrodite? Eros was the son of Aphrodite for the Greeks, and they were Cupid and Venus to the Romans respectively. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:13, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with all of that, except that the asteroid Eros probably wouldn't exist in the first place. The Veneran (Venusian) climate would be like the OTL Earth Equatorial Zone, except somewhat hotter. And I think Aether would have a very thick atmosphere. The idea of leaving it unnamed sounds good. Maybe "Planet X" as a placeholder. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:20, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Fifteen? Are you counting Planet X or not? And what if we renamed Vulcan into Icarus? He was the guy who flew too high and his wings melted so he fell into the sea. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:50, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

What should be name the timeline? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:53, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Where would that gas giant be in that list? And I was thinking that maybe we could rename Vulcan to Icarus, since it would be very close to the sun. Then I would suggest shifting the name Vulcan to the planet nearest to Jupiter. And maybe Vesta or Juno (more likely Juno or both) could be Minervan moons. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:21, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I think we should name the timeline "Helios" or "Maximum Systema" or something. That translates to "the Greatest System." Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:21, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Ok then, but Jupiter would not be pushed too far out if Vesta and Juno became moons. How big would Minerva and Ceres be? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:32, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Ok then. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:45, April 14, 2012 (UTC)



So, I asked if I could join the TL as well and he said I would need to ask you as well. So I am asking you if I could join?! BTW, as I am a planet fanatic I could tell you about how one or two planets you proposed won't nessecarily be the most plausible. I would say Vulcan won't be there, as from what it would seem Mercury would be twice its OTL size because of an OTL planetoid not hitting it in its early history. As well as this, I would make Mars bigger and maybe cut out Minerva and give Mars a decent moon and not asteroids, lol. As for Venus' moon, Aphrodite would be a good name for it. What do you think? :/ Imperium Guy 15:44, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I kinda realized that Jupiter was further out, so I this happens, you can say its additional gravity attracted many a Kuiper Belt and Ort Cloud asteroids and comets, making the interior planets much larger. As an after thought, it would be interesting to have Titan be flung out from Saturn's orbit early in its creation and become the planet Minerva (this would allow a possiblity of life to develop on the planet, if in a little cold environment).

Earth having two moons would be quite interesting, and it would affect the development of culture significantly. If you planning to have more landmasses, then the Pacific ocean would be the best place to have it, it is the largest ocean after all and its huge space could be nicely utilized. You could also make the islands in Australasia much bigger and a more potential candidate for colonization.

Apart from all this, I hope you make Mars around about the sixe of Earth (if a little smaller, with a diameter of about 10,500 km). I also saw that you wrote that Venus would be more habitable, but I think it should be able to support life because Mercury would be double its size as I think the planetoid hitting it would hit some other planet. Here is a quote from wikipedia to support this:

"Early in the Solar System’s history, Mercury may have been struck by a planetesimal of approximately 1/6 that mass and several hundred kilometers across. The impact would have stripped away much of the original crust and mantle, leaving the core behind as a relatively major component". So, a larger Mercury would take more heat from the sun, making less heat come to Venus and making it possibly life-supporting. Thoughts? :D Imperium Guy 13:46, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, os I think we can start the timeline now. Also, if my calculations are correct, we do have space for a fifth gas giant, because more Kuiper Belt Objects combined with Pluto, giving more space and even more KBOs combined with Pluto's biggest moon, which we named Prosperina if I'm correct. Also, even more KBOs combined together to form that last planet. With all that space out there and a farther out and smaller KB and Oort Cloud, I think we have space to arrange the Solar System like this: What do you think? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:30, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sol, the Sun
 * 1) Vulcan, midway between Mercurian Orbit and the Sun, closer to Mercury.
 * 2) Mercury, in OTL place except a bit farther out.
 * 3) Venus, same place, less insanely extreme, holds bacterial and microscopic life. Average temperature is around 120 F at hottest and 85-90 F in cooler places.
 * 4) Eros, moon of Venus
 * 5) Earth/Terra, known to the scientific community as Terra, to average people as Earth.
 * 6) *Nine respected continents, with two minor ones: Continents by OTL equivalents:
 * 7) **Arctica, the Northern continent. OTL Greeland with the Canada and Russian Arctic islands and all OTL islands above the Arctic Circle.
 * 8) **North America, NA without the stuff mentioned above.
 * 9) **South America, SA without the Falkland, attached to Anatarctica/Terra Australis.
 * 10) **Europe, Europe
 * 11) **Africa, Africa. Madagascar counted with Kerguelen as a seperate continent.
 * 12) **Kerguelen, an OTL Australia sized continent in the Indian Ocean, also includes Madgascar.
 * 13) **Asia, Asia
 * 14) **Antarctica, OTL Antarctica that stretches up to the Falkland and attached to Australia by a slightly submerged land bridge. (If you stand there, your feet will touches, sourt of like when you go to a beach.)
 * 15) **Zealandia, stretches from OTL NZ to New Caledonia and southwards towards Antarctica.
 * 16) Luna, the OTL Moon but a little bit bigger.
 * 17) Aurora, as you have termed it, or Diana as I have prefered. Maybe it can be like the Americans/West call it Diana and the Europeans/East World call it Aurora.
 * 18) Mars:
 * 19) Bellona or Enyo, a moon that is the size of OTL Deimos and Phobos combined.
 * 20) Deimos
 * 21) Phobos
 * 22) Minerva
 * 23) Vesta
 * 24) Juno
 * 25) Hebe or Juventas
 * 26) Jupiter
 * 27) Saturn
 * 28) Caelus
 * 29) Aether
 * 30) Neptune
 * 31) Pluto
 * 32) Planet X/X199624

I think I like Hyperborea, especially since it reminds me of the Hyperboreans of Greek myths, who lived as far North as possible. (In Percy Jackson, they're from Canada. Here, they would be from Hyperborea. Just a funny thing that occured to me.) Sorry, I forgot about Ceres. Well, maybe Selene works better for the West than Diana. She was the Greek equiuvalent of Luna. Basically what it is is that the West calls the moons Selene and Luna, who are equivalents. About Aether, it is basically formed from some Jovian, Saturnian, and Caelusian moons and TNOs. I remember what Imp said and I said that was great idea to him. Which planet would that be? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:01, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Aether? The name struck me as likely, because the planet would a light blue, along the lines of sky blue, and Aether was the god of heavens and the skies. What do you suggest?

Bacchus sounds good, but where would it be?

I think a super expansionist America, a Russian Empire with roots in the Grand Duchy of Moscow, whatever; Third Recih doesn't work, it was younger than most nations at the time; I don't know, but I just don't like a Roman Empire surviving into the future. Maybe perhaps a living French Empire? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:37, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

About Aether: I really like it, but that would give it some sort of tag that says: "Whoa, delete this right now it's complete crazy ASB implausible impossible whack-a-mole not even funny stuff!"

Something else: I was thinking like this:

Ancient people only knew a few planets: Vulcan, Mercury, Venus with its moon, Earth, Mars with its moons, Minerva, Ceres, Vesta, Juno, and Jupiter.

Those guys who discovered the other planets:

Galileo discovers Saturn

William Herschel finds Caelus

Urbain le Verrier discovers Aether and Neptune

and Clyde Tombaugh/Percival Lowell discover Pluto and Bacchus.

Planet X could totally new, like maybe 2010 or something.

I know these guys probably wouldn't exist in an ATL, but I go with my theory of "parallel twins."

This theory of mine says that every time something happens in time, a place where it didn't happen forms.

Also, if people don't exist in one parallel universe, they do or don't in another, and vice versa.

Open for contributions: no. Suggestions are welcome though.

Also, what state do you live in? Just a question.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:02, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Yes at everything; I've read those timelines; good point on Vulcan; bye for now then. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:37, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

It's ok, your ideas were fine; I've been working a portal page since you left; Pennsylvania, eh? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:08, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

No, it's ok, I'm just going to keep the East/West different names for the New Moon. :) Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:16, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Now, lol. :D Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:29, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Ready to start some work on Maximum Systema? My personal goal for it is to make pages for all the planets over the weekend, at least! :) Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 16:54, April 21, 2012 (UTC)



Ok, I think the West would call it Kerguelen, and the Europeans/East could call it something else? Also, here is where Kerguelen will be, somewhere in the blue circle. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:08, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that's right. I like the Nordic thing. Maybe Thule could be a hideaway for present day pirates and Vikings? Also, we need some pictures for Minerva, Juno, Vesta, Aether, Pluto, Planet X, and Vulcan. I have photos of the rest. Maybe we could use a picture of Triton for Vulcan? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:18, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. But again, do you have any ideas for the pictures? Right now I'm looking for Star Wars planets that would fit accurately. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:44, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Could you tell me how you got Celestia? Sounds interesting. Also, how about Endor for Aether? I'm working on a world map now.

Articles: yes. You can do Ceres, Minerva, Juno, Vesta, and Hebe for now if you want. I'll look for suitable images for them (since the OTL asteroids are all lumpy and stuff.) in the meantime. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:54, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, you guys need to get me involved. I do have a fair bit of experience! :P Imperium Guy 18:02, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Ok. But I would want to help in the continent making, I think I have a rough idea on how the continents should look. BTW, are we making Antartica habitable or not? :D Imperium Guy 18:10, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

I'll be fine with that. :D Imperium Guy 19:39, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Ok with all that. I was just thinking that Klatooine would do good for Minerva because it matched the description. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:31, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

I think I finally found a suitable image for Eros. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:31, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Eros basically has no atmosphere. It's just one big rock. A really big rock. I was thinking maybe Mimas would fit for it? Also, does Dace look better than Endor for Aether? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:39, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

I have finally gathered pictures for all the planets except Pluto and Planet X. Hypori fit for either of them? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:14, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Ok then. Also, I can fix the lighting so that it is dark. :) Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:22, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, just a funny thing, but if you type in Maximum Systema in Google, we come up first on the list! :D Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:00, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, here's the thing. I need you to answer this question tomorrow or as soon as possible:

Should I use Hypori, Byss, Enceladus, or Mimas for Pluto? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:49, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Triple Entente vs Central Powers
Hey MP, its Taco. Anyways, I will be gone until Saturday, and I need people to take care of my nations. Anyways, can you take care of France on TEvCP. I probably will be able to negotiate a peace today, so all I need you to do is industrialize and build up the miltary. If a world war starts, I will need you to defend France 'til I get back. Thanks for your time.TacoCopper

Thanks MP, I knew I could count on you.TacoCopper

States of America 5
Your presence is requested on the states of america 5 homepage asap CourageousLife 23:52, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

Avaro
Of course it's fine! :D PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 19:48, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Triple Entente Mods
Just wondering, why can't there be 10 mods for the Triple Entente Game? Also, are some of them even active? Btw, I made a terrible mistake in the game in which EnclaveHunter knows about and please forgive me. RandomWriterGuy 22:43, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

O.K. May I be one? RandomWriterGuy 21:57, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Help
Hey, Im going to be gone for a few days, so could you take over my countries till sunday.

AvAro:You are ROCJ, just build up infanstructure.

SOA5: You are Michigan, build up Military and ally our two nations. Also, if war results with Canada, invade Onterio.

Triple Entree, You are America, stay at peace but grow military.

Thanks

Whosonefirst?

Russia in Triple Entente vs. Central Powers
Doesn't appear to me that Lx is playing much, so may I take Russia frmo him? Otherwise, I will keep Germany, which I took today. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:31, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Mars (MaxSysa)
How large do you plan to mak Mars? This is because if it has a diametre larger than 8,000 km then its core won't grow cold and it would probably follow the same route as Earth did, although its average temprature would be a degree or two cooler. :D Imperium Guy 21:22, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Fractured America Revised and Reloaded (Map Game) has started, pick your natin and let the games begin!

DeanSims 19:23, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

the UOSR would like to switch sides and join the Central Powers, Oil would begin to flwo to the CP's as well as troops. The UOSR also wants land, but first things first. UOSR troops can invade Russia to.

DeanSims 23:17, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

HIS IS NOT SPAM, IT IS ONLY GOING TO 3 PEOPLPE!!!

AVARO

 * "Libya is still a monarchy."


 * Sorry for over looking this. Fix noted. If Gadaffi is not in office, then it's to be resitled as a pre-emptive blow, not a decapitation job. What ever Gadaffi has had it and the Proto-NTC and Royalists win over his crazy troopers.The River Nile-2 02:15, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

pk, will do DeanSims 16:37, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

the UOSR has left the Allies and has troops prepared to invade Russia through the Caucassas. Oil is also back on line to you and oil to the Allies has stopped. Can the UOSR join the Central powers, with troops still inn France we can launch a sort of pocket invasion and since were in pARIS, POSSIBLY FORCE fRANCE OUT OF THE WAR. DeanSims 19:23, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

should I invade Russia now and launch atacks at the French and since UOSR troops are in Paris, take over the city and force the French surrender. DeanSims 20:03, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

my troops are on the Medditeranian Coast, so it could take a city there and open up another front, and with my and the UK's navy, keep my troops alive for a while. DeanSims 20:12, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for sorting out Syria with your peace delegation, after reading some web pages, Syria would have been too tough to crack and I was going to take a while then call a stalemate. You aliance with Sirya will be respected. P.S. AEMA and the Leaft Leaning Alliance are not LOAN, CANT or axis, so are they cannon or outlawed? The River Nile-2 01:11, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to make an event in Egypt's 1977 election (I’ve yet to think it up) which will help Iran's prospects in the Gulf states (if the user gets the hint), and another that will impinge on the resent incident in Syria (you know, who wants a military dictatorship if it loses a war), welcome Hosni Mubarak who was a good OTL/ATL leader. I wanted to spice up the game since most had left saying it was boring. I even posited notes on 3 talk pages asking users to return. The River Nile-2 01:29, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Triple Entente vs. Central Powers: two questions
1) What stage of development is Australia

2) Is the ICI going to exist or not?

thanks, David Rain 12:59, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Fractured Europe (Map Game)
I created a map game called Fractured Europe and am in need of mods and/or players. Would you like to join?

CommanderOfTheFourthReich 00:51, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Battle for Earth Revised
If you don't play, you may be removed from the game. SPQR 19:27, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Apologies, didn't know, but still, nobody is playing and the game is running on borrowed time. Only a matter of time before we lose it...

SPQR 19:40, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, you're totally right. By the way, I might be leaving the map game soon, so the Insectus and China will be left up for grabs.

SPQR 19:45, May 7, 2012 (UTC)