Romae Delenda Est (Map Game)

Hello and Welcome to Romae Delenda Est, or Rome is to be destroyed. This is a new map game that will begin in 215 BC, immediately after the end of the Second Punic War in which Hannibal has achieved a great victory against the young Roman Republic. This map game is here to discover the enormous changes in history, technology, cultures, architecture, and life that would result from a Carthaginian Victory in the Second Punic War.

 "Alea iacta est" - The die is cast - Julius Caesar

POD
The point of divergence is in 218 BC, when Carthaginian Military Genius Hannibal crossed the Alps with an invasion army meant for Rome. In the crossing he lost men, elephants, siege equipment and moral, but manage to fight Rome victoriously until 214 BC, when he was was subject to the Fabian strategy of attrition and was forced to leave Rome to defend Carthage. In this timeline, Hannibal manages to get his siege equipment across the Alps and siege Roman cities, taking a great many of them and Establishing Land Dominance. He barely manages to take Rome, and even then he cannot hold it for very long. With Romes Enjoyed Naval Dominance over Carthage for the duration, Scipio Africanus begins his invasion of Carthago Nova, the Carthaginian colony in Hispania, defeating Hannibal's brother. As both sides hold important territories, Hannibal calls peace with the Roman Acting Dictator Fabian, and gains new territories in Italy, while allowing Rome to gain some territories in Hispania. The world has change. Everyone now knows Rome can be beaten.

Rules
 Romae Delenda Est (Map Game)  

Mods
Co-Creator/Head Mod: EiplecOco (talk) 21:24, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Co Creator/Second Mod: Feudalplague (talk) 20:05, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Third Mod:Mafia (talk) 20:05, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Other Third Mod:  OreoToast555(Talk)(Sandbox) 19:55, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Other Other Third Mod: CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 03:06, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

Map Makers
Inferal (talk) 20:27, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

OreoToast555(Talk)(Sandbox) 19:56, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

'''I need you to upload our Map to the page under the heading, I tried and failed. EiplecOco (talk) 21:24, August 1, 2013 (UTC)'''

I got the map up no worries Feudalplague (talk) 21:49, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Historical Mods
Inferal (talk) 20:27, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * North American
 * South American:
 * Middle East:
 * Asia:
 * Oceania:
 * Europe: Bfoxius (talk) 01:00, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 03:07, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

Grammar Nazis


Inferal (talk) 20:27, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Algorithm Mod
&#35;LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 20:01, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Nations
Be aware that this is 215 BC and many nations will emerge on their own between now and the end of the game!

Europe:

 * Roman Republic: Sine dei gloriem (talk) 21:38, August 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * Iberian Tribes: Diforto (talk) 03:05, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Macedonian Confederacy&#35;LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 06:22, August 3, 2013 (UTC)ia:
 * City state of Appolonia:


 * Scythians


 * British Tribes: Trust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 22:59, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Welsh Tribes :This is UglyTurtle, Signing off. 01:24, August 2, 2013 (UTC) ''Became the Kingdom of Brython (215 BC).


 * Picts: Bfoxius (talk) 01:12, August 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Celtic Tribes of Ireland: G greg e (talk) 21:47, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Dubhshlaine
 * Aoengic Kingdoms


 * Aquintine:


 * Epirus:Likenhaufen (talk) 03:42, August 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thracians:


 * Illyrians: Quashi (talk) 02:33, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Dacians:
 * Bosphorus Tribes:
 * Georginian Tribes:
 * Suomi Tribedom: Inferal (talk) 18:03, August 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Karelian Tribes:
 * Tavastian Tribes:
 * Old Prussian Tribes:
 * Yotvingian Tribes:
 * Livonian Tribes:
 * Frisian Tribes:
 * Teuton Tribes:
 * Germanian Tribes:  Reximus   Maximus
 * Kingdom of the Elbe
 * Kingdom of the Danube
 * Alemani Tribes (Danubian Vassals):  Reximus   Maximus
 * Saxon Tribes (Elbe Allies/Dynastic Union):
 * Celtican Tribes: CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 03:07, August 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Belgican Tribes:Mr YOLO (talk) 19:10, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Narbonensis
 * Helvetii Tribes:
 * Cispaline Gallic Tribes:
 * Scandinavian Tribes: Willster22 (User talk:Willster22) 05:09, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Middle East:

 * Seleucid Empire:DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 02:47, August 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ptolemaic Egypt :  VX-641 (talk) 00:03, August 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Pontus: iAmVictoriousVVW (talk) 06:06, August 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Armenia:


 * Arabian Tribes:
 * Atropatene:
 * Gerrha:
 * Mascat:
 * Hadramaut:
 * Qataban:
 * Saba:
 * Ma'in:
 * Nabataea:

Africa:

 * Republic of Carthage : EiplecOco (talk) 20:31, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Numidia (Carthaginian Vassal): EiplecOco (talk) 21:14, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Meroe:
 * Damot:
 * Axum:
 * Somolian Tribes:
 * Serer Tribes:
 * Bantu Tribes:

Asia:

 * Qin China: --Ninjasvswarriors (talk) 02:15, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Parthia:
 * Mauryan Empire:&#35;yay an edit conflict (talk) 11:06, August 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Cholas:
 * Yamato Japan: -Kogasa
 * Ainu Japan:
 * Yayoi Japan:
 * Korea: Daeseunglim (talk) 23:55, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Dong-Hu:
 * Qiang:
 * Sumatran Tribes:
 * Kutai:
 * Pyu Burma:
 * Mon Burma:

North America

 * Chihuahua Tribes:
 * Ohio Tribes:
 * Swift Creek Tribes:
 * Marksville Tribes: -- 20:50, August 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Crab Orchard Tribes:
 * Havana Tribes:
 * Saugeen Tribes:
 * Laurel Tribes: canada2hy.jpg Hypothetical Alberta Blue Ensign.svg OreoToast555(Talk)(Sandbox) 19:55, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * St. Johns Tribes:
 * Innuits: Hailstormer (talk) 19:29, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Shoshone Tribes:

South and Central America:

 * TeotihuacanMafia (talk)
 * Canaris Tribes:
 * Mayan City States: CourageousLife (talk)

Oceania:

 * Austrilian Aborigines: Warman555 (talk)
 * New Zealand Maori: The Doctor is in...

215 B.C.
' Europe:  Hannibal returns to Carthage a hero, but little do his people know that the war was purely a stalemate with a great cost. Romes military Dictator Fabian steps down following the failure of his defense of Rome, Scipio Africanus returns to Rome from Hispania and it recieved well but Rome has suffered large scale destruction. Many of the Tribes in Europes such as the Iberians and Celtica have grown much stronger from the war between the two civilizations to the soth. ''  With Carthage and Rome at each other's throats, many Romans, especially in the north parts of the nation, move south. Some also move to the Macedonian Confederacy, strengthening this stagnant Hellenic nation. '''

''' Africa: The Carthaginian power in africa is significantly curbed as their loss of men in Italy has widely caused some outrage that many of these men, despite the victory were sent on a Suicide mission. Many Carthaginians seeing the forming Cold war move towards ptolemic egypt out of ancient ancestry, and others who worship the Pantheon of Greek gods, which is a small number leave for Greece '''

 Middle East:   ''' Ptolemy IV begins to curb Seleucid weapon shipments to Egyptian natives in Southern and Central Ptolemaic Egypt, The Seleucids suffer from Unrest in thier asian parts of the Empire frpm overextension. '''

''' North America: Trade begins to flow between the seminomadic Shoshone, and the nomadic Chihuahua peoples. A trade outpost is founded between their territory. Called Agaidiaka, many settle there, and it becomes the first real permanant village in the region. '''

''' South America: A Stagnant farming community in South America resorts to subjugating many of the very small tribes in the area surrounding them turning them into Tributaries of their growing city. '''

''' Asia/Oceania: The Qin Chinese although very promising are showing obvious issues as many of the oppressive techniques used by the Emperor has caused massive amounts of unrest just near the breaking point. '''

 Mauryan empire:   The emperor dies, and Salisuka, a buddhist, takes power. He is liked better in the public then the previous emperor. The Military grows larger, with a lesser focus on the navy. They notice the turmoil in the asian seculids, and ponder an invasion

Picts: A Caitian warlord known as Niall macGodric seeks to unify the fragmented Picts. His campaigns take him south and east, and much of his "warring" is accomplished through diplomacy, to where at the end of the year, the Picts have been unified. With the capital near OTL Wick, king Niall begins to build up military with an emphisis on metal weapons to combat the tribes to the south. Mining begins near Glasgow, and iron is discovered . Miltary is upgraded by 0.25.

'''You do not currently have the capability to mine iron. However, you can mine copper and tin, and only if it is very close to the surface. '''

Teotihuacan: Begins to expand Southwards. A vein of Bright, Yellowish Metal is discovered in a sacred cave, and, as it is soft, we begin to mine it out, after the High Priest declared that it is holy. Another vein was discovered in a normal cave, and this is mined out also. The sacred Metal begins to be used for the Priests jewelry, and the non-sacred is used as decoration on the empero's palace, and others, as well as Jewellery for the rich. Another, harder metal is discovered in a deep Gorge, but we don't want to mine this yet, as we have no reason to. Army is upgraded

Yamato Japan: Begins to build up the military. Emperor Kōrei soon dies and is succeeded by Emperor Kōgen. A Palace begins to be built around OTL Toyooka, Hyōgo.
 * Korea: Asks for an alliance with Yamato Japan.
 * Yamato Diplomacy: Emperor Kōgen accepts Korea's alliance offer.

Macedonian Confederacy/Byzantine Empire: The King of the Macedonian Phillip and with close coalition agree that in order to facilitate a stronger nation and to prevent issues within the confederacy an Empire must in fact be created. Using a major greek tradition and well off system they agree to Elect Phillip of Macedon as their Emperor on the condition that either the King, leader, or an appointed representative of every province form a Council to limit the power of the Emperor so he cannot heavily exploit the country like so many do. Issues on deciding on a city flare up but many agree that Byzantium should be th Capital of this new empire, and that with its strategic trade area, and its ability to be a massive port city are well recieved and Byzantium is made the capital. The Change into an Empire is expected to take about a 10 to 20 years with elections for new Emperor to take place within the time period to decide the Ruling Family of the Empire. With Thouands of Romans immigrating to the new Confederation/Empire they are given a new place in society to help establish and build the Byzantine Senate (The council) which with Roman expertise from the few senators that moved to the Empire would be best used. The ex-Romans all together are fully established in Byzantium in their own newly built district of the city. The Cities of Athens, Rhodes, and Pergamum are commisioned to build more ships for the Byzantine Navy. The former roman soldiers in the empire are paid and commissioned to help explain how their military forces worked so as to either modify the Phalanx pikemen or create a new unit with will be a new addition to the Empire military ranks. '''Army score is upgraded to 1.75. '''And the Military is expanded to include near 70,000 troops. most believe its a gross overextension of the empires resources but the threat of enemies to the north wins out and its accepted. '''We begin to heavily influence appolonia, and moderately influence Epirus and Pontus. Halicarnassus a ptolemic city is also heavily influenced using the Byzantines central and origin factor of hellenic culture to influence them. '''Our section of the Medditerrenean sea is gaurded heavily to prevent undesireables from reaching the European portions this patrolling and gaurding goes all the way down to the unoccupied part of north africa. The feasibility of a Joint, Greco-Macedonian colony in the unoccupied part of Africa is talked about for the comming years. The King of Macedon, Phillip begins searching for a wife and begins searching all throughout macedon and the Greek cities.

Macedonian/Byzantine Dip: We ask for Appolonia to become part of the Byzantine Empire (RNG 1-4 yes 5 unused 6-10 7 no for now). We ask Epirus for a trade agreement as well as a military alliance, We ask the Ptolemics and Seleucids for trade agreements and concurrent non aggression pacts.

 *Epirus D: Accepts alliance and trade agreement.

Ptolemic Egypt: Accepts a non agression pact and Eastern Medditarranean alliance to counter the growing power of Rome and Carthage.
 * Carthaginian Diplomacy: We request a trade agreement with the Macedonian Confederacy.
 * Macedonian D: We agree

 Qart-ḥadašt Res-Publica (Republic of Carthage)  : Hannibal returns to Carthage and receives a great military parade, many believing he truly is the greatest general in the known world. Hasdrubal, Hannibal's brother becomes governor of Carthaginian Iberia, and he recruits local Iberians to be prepared for any Roman action in the new Roman Iberia. Mago, Hannibal's other brother. becomes Governor of Carthaginian Italia, recruiting local Gauls and Latins to replenish the departed Carthaginian Army. Trade continues across the Mediterranean as the Carthaginian navy continues to dominate trade. Iron plows, as well as other agricultural equipment is shipped to the Carthaginian colonies in the Iberian Peninsula to promote agricultural growth in the region. The two Suffets of Carthage, one of the Magonids and the other of the Massylians, are still wary of Hannibal and his boldness, but nonetheless congradulate him and help bring even greater prestige to the Barcid family. '''Hasdrupal sends two diplomats/generals into the Northern Iberian Tribes, to buy mercenaries. Mago buys many Gallic mercenaries but finds many Latins unwilling to aid him. '''Hannibal has a child after returning to Carthage with his Iberian wife, and he names the child Hamilicar Barca II in honor of his father. Expansion of the Carthaginian navy begins once more, with twenty Quinquereme's and twenty Galley's put into construction and are finished in a year and a half. We upgrade our navy by 0.25
 * Carthaginian Diplomacy: Hannibal of Carthage wishes to discuss the terms of the peace treaty with the Roman Senate in a neutral location.
 * Hispanic Confederacy: The two diplomats/generals comming from Hasdrupal are killed and their money stolen.

Qin China: The emperor stops some major construction projects, including the construction of the royal palace and the Terracotta Army. Confucianism is not oppressed anymore, after the emperor accepted and followed some of his son's advice, although legalism is still held at the highest esteem. Books of out-of-date practices are burnt to stop it from misjudging people, while tricksters and con artists are executed. The Great Wall of China continues being built. Although it is changed to voluntary work with a higher salary then farming. This change is influenced by a small worker riot, which put that section of the Great Wall 3 months under par. The army is trained vigorously and the cavalry is trained to fight like the Xiongnu, Qin's greatest enemy. They are trained to fight like a migratory tribe, with a large emphasis on raiding and counter-raids. Also, they are trained on stealth and sneak attacks. The military advisers begins studying the use of infantry in cavalry warfare. A voyage is commissioned to go to Korea and contact the nation in Korea.
 * Korea: Asks for an alliance with Qin China.
 * Mauryan D: Asks for alliance

Korea: The Kingdom of Korea begins to prepare an expedition to go to Japan. We begin to build up our military.

Roman Republic: the Roman government agrees on the Carthaginian treaty. while this the military is built up and the Roman navy is upgraded by 0.25, Thirty Quinquereme's and 40 galleys are made, Fabian gives his power back to the senate, who in a surprising move choose scipius as ruler of the Roman Hispania, knowing that it was him the one that in the first place gained the territory. While this the senate awaits for the meeting and offer it to be in Massalia, a closer Mediterranean nation. While this many man are recruited from Roman Italy and some Cisalpine gauls, While this exploration through the Venetian lands occur as some trading ships travel to the core of the Cisalpine gaul and Venetii lands through the Po river. 10.000 soldiers are recruited from southern Italy.


 * Macedonian/Byzantine Dip: We offer a large scale trade agreement now that the war is over.
 * Carthaginian Diplomacy: We agree to holding the treaty in Massalia, and will send the two Suffets along with Mago to attend the meeting (Do the treaty in chat, talk page, or what?)
 * Make a page for it called the Traty of Massalia etc etc. itll all go on a treaties page. &#35;LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 22:12, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * Okie-Dokie Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 01:09, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Belgican Tribes: The young head man of a northern tribe conquers the other northern tribes and calls himself "The King of the Low Lands". He wants an centralised trade system and therefor economy is improved by 0.25
 * Most of the Romain roads were not build in 215 B.C. and there were already very good reads in Gaul. I don't think that you would knows about Roman roads or need them. 

Selucid Empire: The Selucids begin building up there military and constructing roads across the country. W e begin fortifying our border with India, although we send an envoy to them stating it is only a precaution and we mean nothing offensive or aggressive by it. The Selucid ruler begins traveling across the country, encouraging greater unity among his people. We send an envoy to the Roman Republic asking for a trade pact and safe passage through Roman waters.

'''The Macedonians/Byzantines control this part of the Mediterranean... you have 0 ways to reach them, you also have no way of trading with them with out direct water access, or land access. if you asked the Macedonians I'm sure they would let you through. You also have no idea about an the Mauryans attempting any invasion. he said their leaders ponder it. it doesn't mean it announced to the world. you have no idea.'''

'''Christ! 1st turn an already most of someones post is crossed out.'''

New Zealand: Sailors from Samoa and other Pacific islands land on an uninhabited island. Their numbers are a few dozen, mostly young adult men and several women. They had no records of this islands, though they didn't keep any records of anything, really. Several brave explorers search the place, wondering whose land they had stumbled upon. They found strange, wingless bird creatures, with tall necks and long legs. One explorer, Mosamo'ana, is the first to hunt and eat them. They call the birds "longnecks". They make plentiful food for the settlers. A small village begins construction on the island. Seventeen men are chosen to go and tell the people at their former homes about this place.

Proto-Finnish Tribes: A young man by the name of Aatu Aalto barely 20 begins a large campaign to unify the tribes. He manages to unite several in the east but in the west the frozen marshes make moving difficult. An envoy is sent to the Estonian Tribes of a trade deal and an alliance (1- in order to get Finnish furs in the East Baltic trade and ensure future aid against the Travatians and/or Karelians. Tin and copper deposits are found to the south and are mined in a small scale to produce bronze and give an edge against our Travatian and Karelian cousins (the military is improved by 0.25). The tribes begin expanding into the East into OTL Russia.
 * Estonian Tribe (RNG) Diplomacy: 10. They send your envoy's head back to you, tied to his saddle.

Hispanic Confereracy: The Hispanic Confederacy peacefully annexes the tribes in Hispania who were not in the Confederacy. We centralize the Confederacy, making our economy better by 0.25. The tribes next to Gaul are asked to fortify the mountains. '''Our navy score is lowered by 0.5 because we don't really have a navy. '''

'''Scores are mod lowered.. and you honestly have no reason to lower the score.'''

Celtic Tribes of Ireland:  The loose confederacy of tribes in the south and east plans an invasion of the north, wanting access to their valuable land. War wages for nearly a year and the South/East loose tribal confederacy leads his coalition to victory. The northern tribes are set onto their boats and set asail to the north as a sacrifice to the pagan gods. Little does the confederacy of tribes know. Most northern tribes would land in OTL Iceland in the early spring of 214BC, within the first year, thousands die as the people get aquanted with the territory. The confederacy's tribes have albins (elders/kings) and start a tighter confederacy bonded by the war against the now expelled northern tribes ( Upgrade Economy score by 0.25) . The remaining tribes begin taking the land and homes of the old tribes. La Tene makes small advances into southeastern ireland.

'''OOC: What are we allowed to upgrade our scores? and I presume they have to have a valid reason.''' It's in the rules 0.25 every other turn they are reset when you hit the next nation tier.

'''um - If wilster doesn't take a turn in three turns may I take Scandinavian tribes? Nkbeeching (talk) 19:00, August 5, 2013 (UTC)'''

Yes you may &#35;LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 22:12, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Ptolemaic Egypt: The Ptolemy pharaoh has a strange vision in a dream. In the coming weeks an ethnic Egyptian craftsman, Ramses Moses, is hired as the prime minister of Ptolemaic Egypt. He is recognized by modern historians as one of the most capable statesmen in the history of Egypt. The old land program was reformed. Peasant farmers have been given the right to own their land in exchange for military service, like the cossacks OTL. When the nile floods the fields, all able bodied male villagers are enrolled in military schools. This program makes a standing army out of a poor rustic population. Egyptians serve in the army alongside Greeks, eliminating dependence on foreign mercenaries.(army + 0.25). Forts are built in Upper Egypt, Sinai and Eastern Lybia to secure our borders. We ask Carthage of a non-aggression pact for now. VX '''VX you may only upgrade one at a time please choose economy or army. You also can't influence me I'm actually the center of Hellenic culture and there is no way you'd be selling grain to me either we don't have a trade agreement--&#35;LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 19:29, August 5, 2013 (UTC)'''
 * Carthaginian Diplomacy: We request that Carthaginian merchants be allowed into Egypt, and Egyptian merchants be allowed in Carthage for trade. And we also agree to the non-aggression pact.
 * Ptolemaic Egypt: We accept the trade agreement.

Welsh Tribes: The central tribe Welsh Tribe Ordovice is hit with a moderate famine and they decide to wage war against the northern tribe Deceangli. Fearing potential Ordovice invasion the southeastern Welsh tribe Silure and the southwestern Welsh tribe Demetae united to become Silurian-Demaetaean/Southern Union. Ordovice was victorious over Deceangli and the famine stopped. With the victory the Orthovician Chieftan thought he could unify all of the Welsh Tribes and invaded the northwestern tribe of Gangani. The Southern Union then declared war on Ordovice. Meanwhile Ordovice and Cornovii had a short lived border dispute which gave time for Demetae to capture coastal Ordovicean cities and for Silure to push significantlly inland towards the Ordovicean capital. Soon Ordovice surrendered and The Southern Union formed the Kingdom of Brython.
 * Aoengic Kingdoms: We seek to trade with the remaing Welsh Tribes (Brython). We ask that if any of our northern rival tribes (those that lost the war), land in your region, that you sacrifice them to the Celtic dieties.
 * Brython: We accept the trade offer and accept the sacrificial request.
 * Breton D: We offer an alliance as well as trade.

Marksville Tribes: Guards are sent in the main cities of the territory, in order to get protected from invasions.

The Mayans begin expanding south and west, establishing cities and creating roadways to connect them. The expansion is spearheaded by the army, who is responsible for dealing with any resistant natives and scouting out easy pathways for the roads. Army is upgraded. The cities become more centralized, relying on each other more, and making more joint decisions.

Epirus: A guard unit from every tribe is organized. After losing to Rome in the previous Pyrrhic War, more men are recruited into the army (army +.25). A new confederate republic style of government is adopted, with leaders for each tribe elected, and a leader of the entire League elected by the tribal leaders. The Aedacide dynasty still retains their royal titles, however. We accept the Macedonian aliiance and trade agreement, however all the Macedonian propoganda is made illegal in all three tribes. Appolonia is asked for an alliance and trade agreement.

''Army is strictly a TECH! score not related to the amount of people...if you change your reasoning...i presume you can upgrade. g greg e  (talk) ''

Britainia: The tirbes merge to form a loose confederation any tribes that resist, are decimated using Roman style tactics. The Kingdom of Britania is declared. The military is expanded(army 0.25) The economy expands( economy 0.25)   (how does this 0.25 thing work?)

''You havent encountered the Romans. Also you don't know Latin...just so you know, thus Britainia is not really a plausible name. g greg e  (talk) ''

'''The concept of a kingdom or kings for that matter have not been introduced into the British Isles. The closest thing you can have to that is a Tribal Head Chief, who then cannot control all the actions of as many tribes as Britain had at this point in time. Britania is a Latin name for Britain, so that is not going to work. You are the British Tribes. Also, even if you had enountered the Romans, which OTL British Tribes did, they did nothing of the sort to adopt their tactics, or else they would've been utterly decimated. And you can only upgrade one tech per turn, and not consecutively. You can choose to upgrade your army or economy for this turn, nothing the next, and in two turns, upgrade again. You must also give a reason that is plausible for upgrading your techs, such as Rome's or Carthage's expansion of their navy through building specific ships. I'm not trying to berate you or be mean, I'm just trying to make sure we all get off to a great start, plausibly and within the rules. Thank you! Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 00:23, August 6, 2013 (UTC)'''

The Germanian Tribes undergo a radical change, led by the Chief of the Marcomanni. He decides to attack a number of other Germanian tribes, uniting them by using superior stone weapons, and even using a few bronze weapons on his elite troops. Soon, he declared himself King of the Danube, from his capital city of Vienna. He has united most of the western Germanian Tribes. Taking the lead of the Marcomanni, and in fear of being defeated by them, the Chief of the Burgundiones, from Dresden, merges with Posen, and then unites the rest of the Germanian Tribes as the Kingdom of the Elbe. Both Kings look in different direction to expand - with Elbe focused on the Saxons to the North, while the Danube look the Alemani on the fertile Rhine river valley.

Pontus: King Mithridates II pondered over military reports and history. He has been awed by Rome and Carthage, especially Hannibal. This is why he wants to reform the whole army, not upgrade because it would easily exhaust its treasury. He also wants to safeguard the Pontic border against a massively enlarged Macedon. He first improves the supply lines by standarizing the tax according to bussiness wealth, poorest pays lowest and richest pays most thing. He also standarizes the quota of farmers so that they could eat and be happy at the same time feed the state. With this, he starts to build walls around cities, especially Sinope and Pontus, and small forts in the frontier. In the army, his first act was to abolish the chariots. He hoards all the wood and metal to reform his army. By the end of the year, he has done a large job of reforming the army, and even though it is not yet in perfect condition, he manages to have 25,000 infantry and 9,500 cavalry, mostly due to the big opportunities he created, like higher pay and more proserous families. He also reformed most of the infantry by issuing them short spears, shorter than hoplites. But, the gained two javelins, a short sword for stabbing and the shields had a new, original design. It has a very slightly tilted, large diamond shield, making the new troops make a fully covered testudo, plus sides and back, with spears sticking out from all sides, like a phalanx. This way, it becomes very flexible and able to perform a testudo-phalanx. It also has overlapping scale armor, allowing for better movement and making it fast, able to move on very rough ground because it emphasizes team coordination and discipline over simply being a massed wall of pikes. He calls this new troop adamantoi. He also reforms the other parts of the army and changes the navy, scrapping the large ones to create smaller, faster ones, with a heavier ram. He also mass produces artillery, learning that it could be a mobile, independent harrassing unit. This almost empties out the treasury but Mithridates knows that in the long term, it could be a great change. By the end of the year, Pontus has,with deserters,mercs, etc.: '''Pontus would not be able to field those kinds of numbers, your not a big kingdom your decenty but your population is nowhere near mine and im fielding about 60 to 70,000 troops. please give us realistic numbers&#35;LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 13:21, August 6, 2013 (UTC)'''
 * The King of the Danube offers the Tencteri Chief of the Alemani a proposal of becoming a vassal. He alludes to the possibility of the Tencteri Chief becoming the King of the Rhine.
 * The King of the Elbe offers the Varini Chief of the Saxons a proposal  of becoming a vassal. He alludes to the possibility of the Varini Chief becoming the King of the Vistula.
 * The Germanians seek an alliance with the Cisalpine Gauls, and begin to plan for vassalization.
 * 2,000 Argyraspides, armed in the old way of Alexander the Great's phalanx, making it a bit more flexible and armored.
 * 2,000 Chalkaspides, armed normally but much more disciplined, hardened, and capable of retreating orderly, break harder, perform a double phalanx to prevent rear attacks, and not panic even though the flanks are pushed back, owing to the double phalanx.
 * 1,000 Cyrtian slingers
 * 4,000 Galatian light infantry, armed with the Celtic Theuros, Mail, and short spear. Fexible and can do phalanx.
 * 2,300 sparabara, a ligh infantry, imitated from the old Persian sparabars, but armed in light, metal shields, short spears and long swords. They can do a testudo but they are not too disciplined to maintain one. They also have a long sword if they are in a loose formation.
 * 2,200 archers
 * 2,000 javelinmen
 * 10,000 adamantoi
 * 1,500 very heavy Cappadocian Cavalry
 * 1,500 Sarmartian Cavalry
 * 2,000 Pontic Cavalry
 * 1,500 horse archers
 * 1,500 mounted javelinmen
 * 1,500 Thessalian Cavalry
 * 90 ships
 * Pontus D: We request trade rights and an alliance with Armenia, to secure the eastern frontier

New Zealand: Sailors from Samoa and other Pacific islands land on an uninhabited island. Their numbers are a few dozen, mostly young adult men and several women. They had no records of this islands, though they didn't keep any records of anything, really. Several brave explorers search the place, wondering whose land they had stumbled upon. They found strange, wingless bird creatures, with tall necks and long legs. One explorer, Mosamo'ana, is the first to hunt and eat them. They call the birds "longnecks". They make plentiful food for the settlers. A small village begins construction on the island. Seventeen men are chosen to go and tell the people at their former homes about this place.

Kingdom of Illyria: The young king Pineus drives improvements in the reign, seeking to bring the kingdom to a new era of prosperity, for that reason seeks to repopulate abandoned agricultural areas (economy + 0.25), and at the same time make crops within the realm more profitable every season.

213 BC
''' Europe: A recently Brokered Treaty between Carthage and Rome has agreed to regrant all lands to their respective sides following the war. Many of the tribes around Europe are growing more and more organized or more hostile to the powerful nations of Carthage and rome. '''

Europe: The Alemani Tribes agree to the vassalization, and the Cisapline Gauls agree to the alliance with the Germani ''' ans.   The Saxons agree to only marry off one of their higher born ladies to the King of the Elbe.'''

''' Africa: A Greek Trading post is established in unoccupied africa as a result of the Trade Agreement between Greece and carthage, due to the mutual agreements between Egypt, Carthage, and the Confederacy it becomes and easy post of trade between the three nations. Carthages treasury has faltered in recent years over the expedition into Europe. '''

Middle East: Egypt has managed to secure its border against the Seleucids preventing further weapons shipment which were causing major unrest. Seleucid Empire suffers some Civil unrest in its Indian/Asian half due to the mass cultural differences.

North America: Many of the North American tribes have had good years and major population growth is felt, however getting more food to supply these people will be an issue

South America: A Marauding group of tribes which are constantly fighting eachother spanning from Central America to Teotihuacan causing major issues to each areas respective farming communities.

Asia: The Qin are still suffering civil unrest over the oppression. Korea has a minor population deflation.

'''Mod announcement: The upgrades can only be done one time per two turns.. and you may only upgrade one score. please keep this in mind. &#35;LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 13:47, August 6, 2013 (UTC)'''

'''Random Historical Fact: When the Carthaginians discovered gorillas they initially thought that they were humans. Petrarch: Father of SWAG! (talk) 13:54, August 6, 2013 (UTC)'''

Teotihuacan: Metal Crafting grows in popularity. We respond in force to the brutal attacks, and send out the army. We continue to expand Southwards. Selective Breeding of Llamas begins, breeding for strength and speed. Some Jaguar Cubs are found, after a hunter killed the mother. The hunter returns them to Teotihuacan, and trains them to do basic tricks. Impressed, the Warchief of the military orders hunters and warriors to collect as many jaguar cubs as they can. An extimated 500 jaguars are slaughtered, and the (average) three cubs per Jaguar are taken by the military, and trained. The 500 that take best to the training are allowed to breed. the other 1000 are killed. It is expected that 24 years from now, we will have Jaguars as trainable as European Dogs. (I know that the Teutihuacan don't know Europe Exists. I am drawing a parallel)

Proto-Finnish Tribes: Aatu Aalto manages to unite the eastern Finnish tribes and forms the '''Tribedom of Suomi. '''Aatu Aalto begins to strenghten the military significantly by organization. Bronze javelins and pikes become extremely common for cheifs and higher up warriors as bronze is still in shortage. Bronze begins to be produced far more than in previous years to catch up with demand. A permanent settlement is founded in OTL Segheza and is made into the capital. Slingers and javelinemen become far more common in the military as do pikemen as defensive squares and circles become a popular tactic  and even the concept tamed bears released upon unsuspecting foes becomes popular, and Aatu Aalto demands that War Bears be bread to be smarter, larger, and stronger. Aatu Aalto prepares the military for a future campaign. Expands to the east further.

The total military uner Aatu Aalto army of  consists of 13,500:
 * 8,000 Disorganized Finnish Tribesmen
 * 900 Finnish Slingers
 * 350 Finnish Javlineers
 * 850 Finnish Pikemen
 * 35 Finnish Bear Handlers (averaging 2 bears each currently under training practically useless)
 * 165 East Baltic Nomads (disorganized as well)
 * 700 Tavastian Slingers
 * 500 Tavastian Spearmen (Stone, as the newly integrated regions have not been introduce to Bronze)
 * 500 Tavastian Javlineers
 * 1500 Disorganized Tavastian Tribesmen

'Takes more than two years to tame and breed bears, let alone train them for warring purposes. g greg e  (talk)  17:22, August 6, 2013 (UTC)'
 * Proto-Finnish D: We offer the many Tavastian tribes vassalization (RNG).
 * Tavastian Tribes (RNG: 2): The tribes of OTL Estonia and north to the border with the Proto-Finnish agree to the vassalization of their tribes due to cultural similarities of their peoples and hopes that they can be afforded greater trade.

Mauryan Empire: The new Empire focuses on the military a lot more, and it continues to grow (we increase the army score by 0.25) He also focuses heavily on religion, and Buddhist temples are erected across the country. We begin to tame Indian elephants, with an idea that they could possibly be used in battle.

''No need to even begin to tame elephants because that was done 100 years before. Even before the Mauryan empire came to power, elephant warfare was already widespread in India. The kingdom of Porus on the Indus river used them extensively. Carthegene and Egypt have already many war elephants.'' VX

Macedonian Confed/Byzantine Empire: With lack of a better option as many cities lack a high level princess to offer king Phillip, He marries a high level daughter from Athens Archon solidifying his grip on a Naval and Trade that Athens enjoys. Phillip does in fact however marry off the Daughter of one of his lords to the leader of Sparta in order to secure them as well. The Goodwill Phillip is showing as well as mutual improvement throughout the confederacy begins to ensure the union of the cities of the Confederacy a bit more into a full blown empire in the near future. Phillip in the meantime continues the expansion of the Navy and allows for ships carrying in excess of 2000 people in one of the largest feats in history to reinforce the Greek trading post into a full blown colony in Africa. The center of Trade being established as a safe haven and neutral trading zone has allowed for the Economic growth Phillip promised the Confederacy further gaining their trust. Following the marriage to the Athenian archons daughter, she is pregnant with his child within months. Phillip officially makes Aridane of Athens (his new wife) the queen of the Macedonian kingdom proper and continues major inroads to improvement with the greek cities so far as establishing more well built roads, and a dedicated and protected sea trade route to Rhodes, and the Anatolian cities. Phillip in order to prevent the Spartans from feeling more left out for getting a lesser marriage with Macedon is paid and focused on to help expand the cities facilities. Once more Appolonia is asked by not only Macedon but now Athens and Sparta to join the confederacy. The Confederacy begins to start seeing Scythian encroachment on Northern Macedonian provinces.
 * Carthaginian Diplomacy: Mago Barca requests to buy 5,000 Greek Hoplites to send to his brothers in Iberia. All will be returned upon conclusion of the war.

 Qart-ḥadašt Res-Publica (Republic of Carthage) : Hannibal travels to Carthaginian Iberia to meet with his brother Hasdrupal, where they both plan and gather two armies for attacking the Iberian Tribes, and one for defending Carthaginian Iberia. Mago travels from former Carthaginian Italia with his navy to stay and govern Carthaginian Sicily in a principal town of Ziz (Palmero) which his father, Hamilicar, held in the first Punic War many years ago. A small Carthaginian trade fleet is blown off course by a storm while traveling to a port controlled by a major tribe in Celtica, They land at a large island where the people are calling themselves the 'Aoegonic Kingdoms. The Carthaginian traders buy tin and copper, and some local weapons before leaving to return to Carthaginian waters so that they can boast on finding a new island called Aynook Celcia (The Island of Celts). They arrive and begin telling tales of lands so rich in tin and copper that it flows from the mountains, and that gold is just as prevelant, leading to much more trading contact with the Aoegonic Kingdoms. 'The armies of Hannibal and Hasdrupal each have:


 * 4000 Numidian Javelin Skirmish Horsemen.


 * 10,000 Libyan Spearmen.


 * 1000 Libya-Phoenician Heavy Calvary (Libyans who have adopted Phoenician culture).


 * 5000 Moorish-Numidian Slingers/Javeliners.


 * 2500 Iberian Swordsmen.


 * 2000 CeltiIberian Falcata Swordsmen.


 * 500 Lusitanian Skirmishers.


 * 2000 Celtic Swordsmen (Mostly of them are naked).


 * 1000 Celtic Calvary (Most of them are clothed).


 * 4000 Baeleric Slingers.

Total: 32,000 soldiers each. (These are provided from the pockets of Hannibal and Hasdrupal, and Mago has also lent each money.)

The Carthaginian Senate however, provides very little as they are suspicious of Hannibal and his brother due to both of their warring ambitions, but nontheless provide each:


 * 500 Numidian Javelin Skirmish Horsemen.


 * 1000 Libyan Spearmen.


 * 500 Moorish-Minidan Slingers/Javeliners.


 * 1000 Iberian Swordsmen.


 * 750 Balearic Slingers.

Total: 3,750 each.

The brothers begin to plan their strategy. They plan that Hannibal shall go to Coimbria and siege the Iberian settlement there, and Hasdrupal will head to the settlement of Salduie (Zaragoza) and siege there. They shall have a force to defend Carthagian Iberia so that the land is closed to barbarian assaults while they siege. Once they have successfully taken the settlements, they shall travel to Vallisoletano and both siege that city. Once all the three sieges are complete, they shall offer peace to the Iberians. They both travel to their respective settlements where they surround the city, and begin to build siege engines. '''Hannibal recruits 1,500 Iberian Swordsmen and 500 Iberian Skirmishers along the way due to his fame among the Iberians, while Hasdrupal is unsuccessful in recruiting any sizable number of mercenaries. '''

Belgican Tribes: The Kingdom of the Low Lands askes the southern tribes to join the fresh kingdom. if they don't accept, an invasion may be neccessary .(RNG 1-6 yes 7-10 no 6= yes)  The new tribes are welcomed and invited for a great feast. The king, wanting a centralised kingdom and every tribe get's an observer and needs to provide a couple of their warriors. The king also trains some proffessial troops as swordsmen horsemen and archers.

''You cannot do your own RNGs. g greg e  (talk) ''

Southern Tribes (RNG: 10): The Southern tribes have decided they would sacrifice their children before they would join.

Iberian Confederation: We centralize more. We try to units Iberia under the Iberian Confederation and end the Cartagenian occupation of south Iberia, promising them to attack Carthage in the next decade. We send messenger in Rome explaning them that Carthage is making an army in Ibaria and may be trying to attack them. More fortification are build in the mountains. We ask an help from Gaulli Tribs (Aquitani, Cisalpin, Begican  and Celtic) for our expedition against Carthage. They have ten years to recruit everybody who want to come. We pay pirate to raid  the Carthagenian siph next Iberia. We ask an alliance with Greek, explaining that we may stop protecting there two trading post in Iberia if they refuse and that they may have new traiding post if they don't. We try to buy off iberian soldier in Cartagian armies in Iberia. ​Some of these tribes have players. g greg e  (talk)
 * Aquitani (RNG: 10): The Aquitani refuse to get involved in such a conflict.
 * Cispaline (RNG: 6): The Cispaline Gauls will not get involved militarily, but will send supplies.

My bad, I was in a hurry Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 23:47, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

'''The Treaty of Massalia (Which page I need to make, my bad) Explains that Carthage has agreed to not expand or interfere above the Iberian Peninsula, and Rome will not expand nor interfere below the Iberian Peninsula. There was also a period of ten years of pure peace between them. Sorry I didn't make a page yet before your turn. Also, the only Iberian soldiers you could buy off would be the 2000 Hannibal bought in your territory. The others are hugely loyal to the Barcid family in general, starting with Hamilicar Barca I. The Iberians in Carthage didn't even revolt when they knew they wouldn't get payed before the Mercenary Wars. Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 20:25, August 6, 2013 (UTC)'''

Yamato Japan: The palace continues to be built around OTL Toyooka, Hyōgo.

Kingdom of Illyria: The young king Pineus is a Governing Council that advises on matters of the kingdom, and thanks to these meetings with skillful and intelligent men of the most remarkable families continues to bring prosperity to the kingdom. The next step is to provide security at the borders of the kingdom, and for that matter starts building border guard posts (military + 0.25), and these heavily guarded to prevent looting of villages less civilized.

'''You cannot upgrade twice in two turns. You can only upgrade one per two turns, and you upgraded your economy last turn. Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 20:33, August 6, 2013 (UTC)'''

You can only upgrade once every two turns &#35;LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 21:11, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Ptolemaic Egypt: The army continues to be reformed. Military service becomes compulsory for all male able bodied citizens. An irate war elephant damages the eastern wall of the palace in Alexandria; it is repaired and expanded.Temples are built. Reports of unrest come from upper Egypt. It appears that the disobedient Sudanese tribesmen have raided Egyptian villages once more. They attack rural settlements and flee with the booty before the army can get to them. Southen defences are strengthened in response.We send a delegation to Pontus and Seleucia asking them both for a non agression pact and trade agreement.

The Mayans continue expanding south and west, establishing cities and creating roadways to connect them. The expansion is spearheaded by the army, who is responsible for dealing with any resistant natives and scouting out easy pathways for the roads. The cities continue becoming more centralized, relying on each other more, and making more joint decisions.