Talk:1983: Doomsday

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NEW WORLD MAP: ALL NEW ALL NEW


a bit propaganda :) our new world map .. to keep uo motivation

look at the files talkpage to discuss things :)

no words needed :) --Xi&#39;Reney 07:31, 13 February 2009 (UTC)CHeers


 * great map,--Fero 18:28, 13 February 2009 (UTC) now some points to next edition:


 * I think South American Confederation is not a nation, is just a "defence -comerce-humanitarian" alliance (is not sow great and deep like OTL European Union, loock more like NAFTA), and nations involves in there must be paint in diferent colors, like surviving NATO - State are not in the same color, with just push the SAC flag in there you say clear they are involv in SAC. --Fero 18:28, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * about timeline, we have too much about some nuked almost devasted european countries but there are almost nothing about African and Asian unattacked countries. --Fero 18:28, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * What/why is the paint Teritory? Siberia and Canada have some real countrol about all that colored space? not more not minus, Canada not take north of USA? in aniway? specialy unclear status when they have not a start to say that is the capital city--Fero 18:28, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * next time say "i and doing a new version of world map, what you think i must add or fix from old version?"--Fero 18:28, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I like it too. I love that we're getting so much use out of the flags - they've become one of the visual trademarks of the timeline. Here are my nitpicking suggestions. Benkarnell 21:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree that something should show the difference between territory a country claims and territory it controls. For claims, I'd suggest the stripe pattern used in Mexico.  This is most apparent in Canada and Siberia, whose governments likely control territories barely 1/8 as large as they claim, but also shows in Spain, Britain, and Scandinavia.
 * Guyana and Suriname should be one country. French Guiana should be striped Guyana and France.
 * Maybe add the names of the small island countries; put the names and flags in the spot of ocean where the islands would belong. Countries like Tahiti and Tonga are more important than ever in this world.
 * Agree that South America should show more than one shade of green for the individual, independent member states. You could maybe show the same thing with the Euro-Atlantic allies, perhaps coloring them in different shades of red.


 * Thanks for the ideas... very good points in it!

@Fero: Sorry for not asking you guys before doing it, was already worrying about it...But waiting until all responses then I would have missed the unique oppurtunity to use MS Visio for to make the world map for 2 days, and won't get it again before aprox. May as I have been travelling though New Zealand since October (and will stay until April) without a reasonable working PC...so i took the chance and made the best out of it...sorry for any inconvenience as I am not trying to dictate things regarding the TL without speaking to the fellow WCRB guys first!

@Ben: Thank you, too. The problem with displaying area controlled/claimed etc is that it take s so much time to edit every single shape in teh world map...:( but next edition will get this fixed.... Keep on throwing in, TY! --Xi&#39;Reney 23:55, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

UAR
What about the UAR I don' see it on this map.??????????--Emanresu11 22:52, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


 * XiReney and I pointed out several inconsistencies at Talk:United American Republic (1983: Doomsday). What you've written goes way against a lot of previously written material: the Municipal States of the Pacific were one of XiReney's first creations when he adopted this timeline.  Several of the people the page mentions are most assuredly dead.  And it goes against the general description of the interior of the USA as "medieval."  As we point out at that other talk page, it certainly doesn't have to be thrown out, but a lot does have to change before we can work it into the 1983.  So it has been left off lists and maps and so forth until we can get everything sorted out.  Benkarnell 00:47, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Pakistan
Have begun developing the country page for Pakistan--Exvoxmachina 01:00, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Rearrangement
I think I will try rearranging the content on this page to draw more attention to the Editorial Guidelines. Several new pages have been created lately by people who didn't read them first, which has caused Pain and Suffering in various amounts. Benkarnell 16:38, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


 * very nice Ben!! good new layout! and thanks for all thework in the last weeks...! I will not have really much internet access until next month,so I won't be able to do much for the rearrangement as I intended.


 * But as i am indeed travelling to Tonga next month I will try to do some on-site research for the LoN-seat,live locations, and so on. so a detailed Tonga (1983: Doomsday) report and profile will follow upon my return.

But then I get into reall getting order into the TL!! cheers --Xi&#39;Reney 23:17, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Rhodesia?
Most people seem to have missed Rhodesia when a new user created it last month. Some aspects of it seem toreally conflict with the Celtic Alliance, and in general it doesn't sseem to address the presence of the black majority in the region. The writer didn't respond to a question on the article talk page, so I have left a message on the user page. But what are the opinions here on the country? Benkarnell 16:49, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

re Rhodesia
we could imagine Rhodesia never became independent in the 1983: Doomsday and Because of its location it was unafected by WW3 so it should stay Owen1983 21:10 18 March 2009


 * Oh, I think it should stay, definitely. The war would have spared it, and perhaps delayed the establishment of democracy.  It's a few details, like Margaret Thatcher escaping to Africa, that conflict with Celtic ALliance material.  Benkarnell 01:40, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Rhodesian update
Rhodesia has been added to Country Profiles 1983: Doomsday the Flage and capital city are the same also I have decided that the British royal family notably Queen Elizabath survived becuse when it came clear that London would be hit by a nuke the royals fled to Rhodesa aboard the royal yacht Britannia Owen1983 29 March 2009

American states
Though the United American Republic (1983: Doomsday) article has certain flaws, I wonder even with the devastation to the United States that there might not be more areas then just the MSP that survived, especially in places around the Great Plains. Thoughts? Mitro 22:14, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

while the devistation that the soviets enflicted on the IS some states were spared such as Florida, Louisiana Alabama, Montana, Goargia Montana became a republic Alabama Louisian Goargaia joined Alabama then louisiana and florida to join the S.A.R Southern American Republic Owen1983 13 Abril 5:32 2009 GMT


 * I'm not so sure about the southern states, but the areas of Montana, Wyoming, and eastern Washington/Oregon have the potential of surviving better then a lot of other parts of the old US. If any government came about its likely it would be very decentralized do to size and population of the area. Mitro 22:25, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

ANZ-South American relations and the war
I just posted this on the News Page. Let me know if it fits with everybody's plans, since it involves several countries and individuals:


 * MONTEVDEO - In a rare display of solidarity, South American General Governor Íngrid Betancourt and ANZC Senior Ambassador Jonathan Hunt appeared together to speak out against the Rhodesian Kingdom's war of conquest in southern Africa. The two leaders, representing rival superpowers, appeared in a joint press conference televised live in the evening throughout the continent and, via satellite, in the ANZC as well.


 * Betancourt's strong denunciation of the war was as expected full of rhetoric decrying Rhodesia's "new imperialism", contrasting its "culture of obsolete British jingoism" with the "spirit of successful multiethnic cooperation" she described in South Africa, one of several countries invaded by the kingdom this week. Hunt's tone was less strident, appealing directly to Rhodesia "as a fellow English speaking nation, and as a fellow member of the global community" to restore sovereignty to South Africa and neighboring countries "quickly - immediately." The ANZC and Rhodesia are strong trading partners, but the outbreak of war appears to be hurting their relationship as the ANZC seeks to mend relations with its traditional rival, the South American bloc. Despite his conciliatory tone, Hunt stated that he "stand[s] by every word" spoken by Betancourt.

I see this as a complicated situation. The South Americans are naturally suspicious of Anglo expansion anywhere, and there is no doubt that Hugo Chavez and other radical-types will spin the war as one more example of the Worldwide Anglo Conspiracy. So I see the ANZC as trying to distance itself from Rhodesia as fast as possible, so as to continue fostering a better relationship with South America. Recent events like the League of Nations and the internationalization of the WCRB make it seem like ANZ is trying to reach out to other countries in general and S. America in particular.

In real life Hunt was a long-serving MP in New Zealand and High Commissioner to the UK, so he seems like a good choice for my invented post of Senior Ambassador to the South American Nations. And a universally loved, anti-corruption figure like Betancourt seems a good choice for the General Governor position, which I imagine is at least in large part ceremonial. Benkarnell 22:47, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

first the article is very well written and will give editors a springboard whe further develping this alt history i thaught who you used a real life politician was imaginative Owen1983 00:21 17 April 2009 (GMT)


 * Thanks! Well, you've done the same thing with politicians.  You have to for a timeline like this.  It's too late to make up totally fictional people.  Benkarnell


 * As I am leaving for Tonga tomorrow and did not and do nothave the time to review everything...I lay this Rhodesia imperialism in your hands Ben... the Senior embassador is ok, very well !


 * concerning the war-like itself... withouth in-depth view its hard to judge for me now but i would be doubtful that Rhodesia would be able to advance within 2-3 days as to conquer all... not to steamroll like this...!!!

SO please rethink that and be careful... this is NO PLACE for a !!Turtledove-Draka-like scenario!! and please no queen elizabeth surviving!! :) In two weeks ill be back to duty :) sorry for the silence. Xi&#39;Reney 06:50, 17 April 2009 (UTC)