User talk:Collie Kaltenbrunner



Congratulations! 12,000th page!
Congratulations, Collie, it seems that you saw an opportunity to become the author of the 12,000th page on the wiki! The page "Austria and others" as a gateway article, is an appropriate choice as the historic landmark for althistory.wikia.com.

As a new member of the wikia, you will need to read the guidelines to assure that your articles meet the requirements. Any of the administrators will be glad to assist you on producing acceptable articles, so do not fear asking for assisstance. Welcome to the wiki. SouthWriter 18:36, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Flags
I've been looking at all the flags you've been uploading.... One thing: at least some of them are already on the wiki.

Just have a look for articles on that country and you'll find the flags, I'm sure. It will save us more clutter.

Lordganon 21:06, December 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * But when i upload them, it usually don't say nothing about having a identical flag.Collie Kaltenbrunner 08:02, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

It often won't, especially if its an older one. Heck, all it takes is a slight size difference or a different source, or even using a thumbnail for the picture versus using the actual picture.

But I can tell you right now that, at the very least, the Byzantine Flag you added was already on here, likely more than once:



Like I said, just please try to look around first in the future.

Lordganon 11:31, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Venice (1983: Doomsday)
Why did you add "undefined" to the template on Venice (1983: Doomsday)? Removing content like that and adding gibberish can be considered vandalism. Please do not do it again or you will be banned from editing. Mitro 16:30, December 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * look, if i added "undefined",i didn't saw that.when i came back from the editing,ithought that it was already there.i will remember to get a preview of the edition when i edit that again.
 * P.S. ah,i discovered that. i tried to fix a inconsistency of the template with the text, but when i conclude that, it keeps saying "undefined".(true, i tried it)Collie Kaltenbrunner 17:31, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you very much! I have a small question: can you tell me how to include infoboxes for nations on a page? The guide does not mention anything about that AFAIK. ColonelReed 23:34, December 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's like this;when you are editing a page, there will be a part saying "Insert:Template" if yo click therem it's gonna appear "choose a template".select "other template/magic word".then, select "NationInfo" in the part of most frequently used. then, Change the values on the left and click to preview. When you have finished editing, click "OK". Note;if the "NationInfo" template don't work, as it happens to me, select others, like "NationInfo BW"
 * P.S.;what is AFAIK?.Collie Kaltenbrunner 10:04, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Reminder
Please remember the naming conventions that we have in place here.

Lordganon 14:11, December 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * what do you mean?Collie Kaltenbrunner 15:07, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

You named an article "Second Mexican-American War‎" in your timeline "Austria and others" that did not have "(Austria and others)" after "Second Mexican-American War‎" in the name, like the rules of this wiki dictate.

Have a look at http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Alternative_History:Conventions_in_use_in_this_wiki

Lordganon 15:25, December 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, i didn't noticed that i didn't had put that.in fact, i forgot to look to the title when i was editing..Collie Kaltenbrunner 15:29, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Religions in 'Austria and Others'
The correct shortened-term for the Orthodox Catholic Church of East is 'Orthodox Christianity' or 'Eastern-Orthodox Christianity', not 'Eastern Orthodoxism'. Mr.Xeight 22:42, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Hi!
Have you ever heard of nation.wikia.com. We are the largest fictional nation wikia and the most active! We have a political system and currently elections are going on in which all our citizens can vote for their favorite candidates (and run themselves). It's all big fun. Wanna join in? :) Pierius Magnus 18:02, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Disambiguation Pages
If you are going to add countries in your timelines to these lists, put them in the correct orders, alphabetically, or don't do it at all. Lordganon 11:12, February 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * sorry, nobody warned me about it before.Collie Kaltenbrunner 18:11, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Map Games
Hi. I saw your map game and thought it looked interesting. All I ask is that you join mine here. I'm trying to revolutionize the map game industry slightly, but there isn't enough activity to do so. Thanks. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 18:58, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

You should be proud of yourself. Your Scramble for Africa Map Game is probably the first one that LG has ever joined. PitaKang 19:21, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Hi! I'd like to thank you for participating in my mapgames. Also, what is your deviantArt profile. Once again, thanks. Cosman246 20:31, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

Crisis
Message from USA to USSR, Canada, UK, China, Sweden, Turkey, Siam:

Currently, the US is at the center of a conflict with Mexico, Italy, Finland, and Germany. We need your help in defending from them, to preserve freedom and to make the world a better place. If you are with me, say so on my talk page. Remember, we need you!. PitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 22:37, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Yo, Siam is fascist-aligned. I've already housed the royal family and much of the military of Japan in Petchaburi, attacked Britain, and claimed Singapore and the rest of the Straits Settlements. Not to mention support anti-colonialist groups against the British, French, Spanish, and Dutch. But I guess it would be fun if the Allies were deceived by Siam. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:52, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Scramble for Africa
Waiting on you to tell us to start, or something. Lordganon 04:21, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

You can take Venice. I'm not really playing that much anymore. Thanks for telling me

Chicagoan 23:41, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Blog
Uhhh, no one can comment on that one for some reason... or at least I can't. As for the internet connection, I don't know what to tell you. I'm no genius at internet/computers. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 17:55, March 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * i said in the blog that it only went back now.and i disabled the comments because i was totally sure that somebody would say that the subject was too unimportant to be said.but i had to explain why i missed 5 days in a row.Collie Kaltenbrunner 18:20, March 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh and Collie, it's considered good "manners" to respond to someone back on their own talk page. And I understand the blog thing now. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 19:16, March 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * : Oh, i enabled the comments now.Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:55, March 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * : Oh, i enabled the comments now.Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:55, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

For the record Collie, the blog is fine. Lordganon 19:20, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

United Nations
Please vote on resolution 1 for the UN United Nations

you are Security Council Member Batmanary 08:18, March 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * which resolution?Collie Kaltenbrunner 08:31, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * click the link. its the peace one for France and Italy
 * Yugoslavia becoming a non-permanent SC member has to be voted on. Brazil is permanent however. Batmanary 18:49, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

I made most of those, changes, I made some changes for convience, but I will omit Sardania and the Aztecs, I added most of those states and more recently. I will add Serbia. Sign up as the Baltic States.Technically the Incas did not exsist in 1080 either, but Tiwanku did which was a precursor of the Inca Empire, I can only add so many empires though, India, Persia, Europe, were heavily divided, so I only added major states, don't be afraid to add more minor nations to the page if you want! Just remeber to sign!

1080 AD Medieval Era to The Future(Map Game)
I made some changes out of convience, If you want to add more minor states, go right ahead, just rember to sign if you want to play as them, I added the Baltic states. Also the Inca never exsisted, their precursor did, but I just called them the Inca out of convience, they real name was Tiawanku. I will omit Sardania(you can add the small kningoms if you want) and the Aztecs.I'll added alot more since yesterday, I'll add Serbia now. I can't believe missed the Holy Roman Empire before.Anonymous History Guy 06:12, March 27, 2011 (UTC)Anonymous History Guy

Baltic People's
You are all set mate!Ciao!Anonymous History Guy 06:12, March 27, 2011 (UTC)Anonymous History Guy

1080 Map Game
Saw on another talk page that you wanted to go about adopting it. Just ask the players and get their approval. Lordganon 08:58, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

Basically lol. No formalities needed. Maybe you should reset the page because of the spelling errors and because 90% of the turns were Vhaul and AHG. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 13:00, March 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * you think that somebody would accept if i put my name as a moderator of the game?Collie Kaltenbrunner 19:04, March 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes. Especially considering the former mod was a little… out of it. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk)  21:59, March 29, 2011 (UTC)



A Different History
Rebelsoldier, I'd like to personally invite you to my ATL, A Different History.

This ATL is special because there is not one Point of Divergence, but dozens over the course of the centuries.

I already have 12 contributers on this project, and our goal is to turn this into the next 1983:Doomsday!

If you don't want to, its okay. Just leave a message for me if you're interested. Thanks!

Sincerely, PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs)

Rebelsoldier
Sorry, my mistake. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 18:03, April 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Anyway, i already had written my name in the list of contributors to the A Different History ATL.Collie Kaltenbrunner 18:30, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

"No Nukes" Map Game
With Rebelsoldier booted, I have no obligation to keep the main point of the map game.

So here comes the million dollar question.

Should I add nukes?

Enter Name 23:30, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, this is the first time I saw the original map game, and I certainly don't want that to happen.

I also noticed that there were colonies on Mars, does map games allow usage of not-yet-invented technologies?

Enter Name 13:21, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, hey. Sorry I haven't responded. Yes, you can have your stuff back. Just please watch Germany closely! CrimsonAssassin 18:10, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Revolution 2011 Edit
Hello. I hope you are having a pleasant day.

I am leaving you a message to inform you of a new TL I am creating. It is a role playing scenario where you create an individual who has the power to change the world. You can create a person or take the wheel of a current person. With your help, I'm sure this will be the biggest thing to come from this wiki since Map Games!

CrimsonAssassin 21:40, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Natural disaster, out of control spending, and other factors lead to a revolution. I've made the TL already.

Revolution 2011

Principia Moderni
Hi. I made you a mod. I appreciate you helping with the maps. Can I ask one thing though. If you upload a map, note which countries you are updating, just so I know. I just thought that would make it a little easier. Thanks though, feel free to enjoy your moderator privileges. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 04:39, April 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm noting.i try to keep as accurate with the game proccess.anyway, thanks.Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:46, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

When we switched to the 4000px map, the total area of the map became about 11.5 times larger (about 10 as a general estimate). So I changed the system so we weren't expanding 1px at a time. Sixty-two pixels on the new map is about five to six pixels on the old map. So yeah, that's basically the system. Don't go by the old expansion rules. Sorry I haven't updated them. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 05:55, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to Europe 1430, Part II
For your experience, I made you a Mod. The map game starts today! Cosman246 15:09, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

Algeria Issue
Small issue between me and LG on the Scramble for Africa. This is concerning the legality of StarkBlack ceding Algeria to me (see discussion page of SfA). I ask you because LG could be biased because this gives me an edge in the Scramble, and I could be biased because I actually want the territory, so third-party intervention would be good.

Basically, I put a request on Stark's talk page that I would offer the Ottoman Empire extensive military alliance and a buffer from Morocco, in return for the eyalat of Algeria, which he accepted. He has been inactive for awhile, but I have agreed to make sure he starts up again so it isn't unfair. LG says it is illegal in the game because I am taking advantage of an inactive player. However, Stark still has sovereignty over what to do with his own territory, inactive or not. Taking advantage means "Hey Stark, are you still using the Ottoman Empire, because I was hoping to annex it," and he says "sure, whatever." However, what he did was accept it because it offered the best possible outcome for the Ottoman Empire, thus plausible, and thus fair game. If he thought he was being taken advantage of, he wouldn't have accepted. Thanks for your time. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:28, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

He posted on Stark's page, out of the blue, simply to get Stark to give him territory. It's a naked land-grab on his part, taking advantage of someone who had quit the game for all purposes. Far as I'm concerned, it's more than bias. I've had to knock Kenny down a peg on being implausible on several occasions, and that's all this is. Note, too, that Algeria is, while technically Ottoman, independent in all but name, which he should know too, which also kills this deal. Lordganon 05:52, April 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * "I've had to knock Kenny down a peg on being implausible on several occasions"—that's because you're the only active implausibility police. If I wanted to call you implausible I wouldn't because it's not worth my time, and it's not my job.  Also, I backed up my reasoning, it was only implausibility in your mind, I just gave in to compromise to avoid spamming the page.  No matter how stupid that may sound, you can't prove me wrong without pressing your mod advantage… The Algeria situation was meant to be sort of like the Philippines after the Spanish-American War.  Spain no longer controls the Philippines but nevertheless cedes it to the United States to deal with it themselves.  Algeria was going to be sort of a struggle against rival groups for a at least a decade before actual control and expansion will be taken.  It is a significant military investment, which I wouldn't call a land grab considering it will detract significantly from military expansion in my other colonies.  You can even go ahead and have Morocco invade it if it's plausible, it's up to you.  <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk)  06:13, April 29, 2011 (UTC)

Heh. And the accusations begin to fly, typical of him. He is taking advantage of Stark, plain and simple, and the entire matter is not plausible. You've not backed up your reasoning at all, either - you never do, other than in your own mind. Implausibility is commonplace in your actions, and I've had to call you on it several times, just like now. He also seems to think that Spain at the time was some sort of Superpower, which is obviously not the case, and that Spain could pull off massive things such as this, when they couldn't - I've chosen to largely let this slide in the game, however ignorant it is, but this is too much.

For the record, the USA had conquered the Phil~ from Spanish forces, not the locals. Learn some history.

I've every right to respond to unjust accusations here, once - but you've no reason to perpetuate the matter here. Cut it out.

Lordganon 06:55, April 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * First reply: 1 - look,the Ottoman Empire ceding Algeria to Spain, well, i think that this would give a unfair advantage for Spain, since the common sense says that they would invade Morocco after some years expanding their Northern African colonies.and this makes me think:if the game comes to 1914, how do we determine he winner?.

2 - Spain was not a major superpower.i thnk that a minor superpower would be more adequate.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 08:03, April 29, 2011 (UTC)

I think I was confused on what was happening to Algeria. I thought it was going to be conquered by Morocco but I kinda see know that it is going to be independent. Sorry for the trouble. And for the record, the Philippines at the time was controlled by the Philippine Republic, not the United States. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 15:47, April 29, 2011 (UTC)

TSPTF
Would you be at all interested in a Constable position? Lordganon 15:43, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but, What does a Constable do?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 16:23, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Mostly, it's just TSPTF membership. But, you also get rollback powers, which mean that vandal edits can be more easily reversed - i.e. if a vandal posts multiple times on an article to do it, you can remove it all at once instead of bit by bit. Essentially, this just means that if you see it going on when you look at the edit list, if you see something, deal with it, but nothing to worry about it past that.

There are also some Responsibilities that you sign up for as well, but it's really quite minor and just posting on the wiki in general will pretty much cover most of them.

So, you want to be nominated still? ;) It's only work if you make it so, if that helps.

Lordganon 16:36, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Done. You have now been nominated. On another note, don't be too shocked if I ask you in a couple months about a promotion, I figure you may well deserve it by then, lol. Lordganon 06:43, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

Colony Size
Good question. Pixels have to be in the actual color, not including the red border. Sorry if I didn't make that clear enough. (-unsigned Detectivekenny)

Hey, it would be cool if you could do the next three maps or so, as I will be vacationing during that time. Also are you interested in doing a trade-off system for maps after that? Like maybe for xxx0 years you can do it and I'll do it for xxx5 years or something? <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 21:41, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations, you are now a Constable in the TSPTF. This allows you to showcase the TSPTF membership badge on your user page. Furthermore it gives you the rollback power on this wiki. In the History page of an article you will notice a new option called "rollback". This is an anti-vandalism tool. It allows you to quickly undo edits in case someone has made more than one edit to a page. By clicking rollback it will immediately revert the article to a time before the offending editor edited the page. This is your most important duty. By agreeing to be a constable, you are promising to do your best to patrol for vandals and trolls.

When you get the chance, please go to the TSPTF page, and sign up for some responsibilities. In reality, none of us have the time to devote to all of the duties that are expected of an administrator of the wiki. You are expected, however, to sign up for at least three responsibilities listed in that section. These are duties that you are agreeing to carry out to the best of your ability every time you are on this wiki. I'm hoping that by doing this the members of the TSPTF can efficiently share the work load of the wiki and gives us time for the real reason we are here. Since you are only a constable and do not have the power to delete or block, do not feel obligated to sign up for any duties you do not have the powers to do. Please inform myself or others in a position to do so if you see a problem that involves a needs for either of those things.

Again, congratulations on being elected to the TSPTF and good luck.

Lordganon 08:35, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Mazovia
Maybe my knowledge of European history is not the best, but from what I am reading, "The Polish-Lithuanian Union of Lublin (1569) established Mazovia as the central region of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, with Warsaw rising to prominence as the seat of the state legislature." For the most part, we excpect history to take its normal course, with the exception of colonies, so we would want to keep that treaty. Also, within a few years you should consider archiving 1540-1569 onto its own page. I won't do something so delicate on my iPhone. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 23:20, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

I might have already responded to this, my memory fails, but just take Mazovia off. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 05:16, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

I would suggest you increase non-colonial expansion. Most expansion in history took place relatively quickly, and often in sporadic wars, not dragged over a long perood of time. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 05:08, June 27, 2011 (UTC)

Human Evolution 3.0 (Map Game)
Do you want to play this map game that I has just made.

Colonies of Vassals
I suppose that is acceptable, but all existing rules apply. For example, if you create a colony, you could say it is administered from your vassal. Any questions let me know. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 20:56, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Genoa and Kalmar Union should be long gone. I'm in communication with the player for Burgundy, and he wants me to hold onto his country. Also, I was calculating my colony sizes today, and I noticed your colonial expansion has been WAY outside the bounds of the rules ever since you started doing the maps yourself :/… Do you have a problem with the rules or something? You not understand the limits? <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 06:11, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

It's the sum for all of them. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 07:07, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Since you've put a lot of work into the game I'm not going to make you have a natural disaster but I suggest you cut down on colonial expansion for the next few decades to make it fair. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 18:14, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

By cut down I mean expand less. Maybe at about half for 50 years or so. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 18:38, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Human Evolution 3.0

hey there. um, on Human Evolution 3.0, the map game, you made a species that was very similar to mine. could you please change your species so it isn't so similar to mine, or maybe we could make it so your species is a relative of mine. don't wanna make a big thing of this, so can we keep this between ourselves?

TJMW

saw your edit, thanks. I wonder what'd happen if our species met. we'll see in due time, won't we?

I suppose you could include it in your post like "Due to a volcanic eruption…" Or you could make it a mod action like " A volcano erupts on the island of La Palma.  <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk)  16:30, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

Also, I will do today's map. But I will be unable to do the following two/three maps or so. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 18:13, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, make an article for your vassal. You can set it up similar to your main country article but it doesn't have to have much detail. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 17:52, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

My New Map Game
Hey,

I just started the Imperialist America (Map Game), and I would like some players to help me out and to start it, tell your friends, I tink itll be interesting. DeanSims 15:52, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

You can start the Brazillian Revolution right now if you wish as Brazil is occupied with the war in Europe at the time. DeanSims 17:30, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Whichever gives me more territory
thanks for telling me, which ever option gives me more territory, or can i move down to the tip of Sout America. DeanSims 19:24, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

Inca Empire
Sorry I was gone so long, but I need more details before I can make a full decision. What I have in mind is: Crim was allowed to colonize according to colonization rules and/or the algorithm but since the Inca was taken over by a player, now war is the only option. I shall let Crimson know that any repeated insistence otherwise will result in his banning. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 01:48, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not going to let Crimson get away with this. I just need a summary of what's going on. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 18:56, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

Natural Disasters
I'm thinking we should start using natural disasters from OTL for Principia Moderni. We could start with the 1607 Bristol tsunami and the 1600-1650 malaria outbreak (halving expansion in South America). <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 18:21, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Heres the Map For Imperialist America
Do you think this map could work for the map game? DeanSims 18:27, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Thank You for the help
The map looks GREAT! Te only problem is that British Guania is now Grench, otherwise it is completley awesome/perfect. Thanks again!! DeanSims 20:09, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Thnkas agian, the map wouldnt work very good in my paint version, so can I email you the base map? DeanSims 22:43, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Assistance in Principia Moderni
China has recently been invaded and is in dire need of assistance. Hanthawaddy has invaded the southern portion and Russia decided to jump on the bandwagon and invade western China. They have attacked unprovoked and I wish for help so China can reclaim its territory and maybe push into the invading countries.

China is the main provider of silk and rice to Europe, along with many spices, gold, and other items key to European luxury and even integrity. Should China fall, Europe, and perhaps even the entire Old World, will be in a state of economic disaster.

Should you help China, you will be rewarded with extremely powerful naval ships, gold, silk, and other treasures. In addition, China has already pledged to stop the invasion of Inca. CrimsonAssassin 21:26, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Algorithm
I think in this case we are looking at several separate wars: Sweden-Hanthawaddy, China-Hanthawaddy, China-Russia, and Vietnam-Hanthawaddy. In each case Russia and Hanthawaddy are against China/Vietnam/Sweden/Brandenburg. It would be cool if I would do the first two wars and you could do the second two, it is usually a lot of work. Thanks! <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 15:33, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Include the seconds as well as minutes. Basically multiply the nonzero digits together. Then divide by his edit count at the time (you will have to go back in history to determine his edit count at the time, using Special:EditCount) OR divide his edit count by the product, whichever gets more than 1. Then multiply that by pi (or 3.14159265), and take the fourth digit, so 9.87654321 would be 5.

Also I think I'll do Hanthawaddy/Vietnam as well. I got thrown off when you made Scandinator change his post. We'll have to put off the algorithm for that one until he acknowledges the war. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 18:06, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Haha I just realized I've been using the 2011-07-31T16:42:09 format for time, which is the only one that uses seconds. I guess from now on we shouldn't use seconds. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 16:45, July 31, 2011 (UTC)