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Cleveish, Scottish, Northumbrian, Westmorlander, Rhegedite territorial claims
Just updating the ol'map. Just give a rough map of all those countries territorial claims, and what they control, maybe spheres of influence and I'll incorporate them in. Mumby 18:14, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Stranraer
Since Arstar has left me to keep an eye on things for him around here, I have one question for you on this matter - how do you honestly think the Celts would respond to this invasion of their territory? Think about it. End result's not good for you. Lordganon 16:11, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I'm glad to hear that, since you hadn't said it anywheres, lol. Have at'er. Lordganon 18:03, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

Looks fine to me, Smoggy. The only issue I have with it, really, is that the Celtic military would destroy the Scots within days of word getting out to them. Lordganon 07:17, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Lordganon 17:33, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

Debate point
Hiya, could you check out the OBN talk page for a topic I've just brought up? Thanks. Fegaxeyl 10:03, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

War with the Scots
Hey Smogs, I was just wondering if you'd like to stick the news you've been writing over on the British Times page? It's kinda what the article is made for, and you can go into some extra detail. Fegaxeyl 16:23, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Do you want me to write up a war article for this conflict, after all naval conflict is one of my specialities although I would need details regarding Ur Alba's military.Vegas adict 17:19, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Ok then, just tell me if you have any specific things you don't want me to do with Southern Englands forces for the war or say if you want to write for them.Vegas adict 20:17, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

I think you misunderstand me. Southern England has no choice but to be involved with the war, Unlike the other OBN nations it is a longtime ally of the CA and has co-operated with them militarily before. It even allows the CA to co-opt forces from its navy so long as Parliament supports the move.Vegas adict 15:48, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

Thats fine, obviously only the Navy could reach the area in time and the Army is needed in the south to deal with the invasion in Kent.Vegas adict 17:57, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Yep, the navy could have three frigates and a cruiser up in two days time because they are hovercraft while a pair of destroyers could be up their in twice that time.Vegas adict 19:55, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

Can i write up the blockade on the British Times article?Vegas adict 16:06, May 5, 2011 (UTC)

WFA becoming a Lancastrian protectorate
I'm afraid that I don't really have any idea as to when it'd be best for the WFA to become a protectorate. Truth be told I'm still trying to get to grips with what the term 'protectorate' actually means. Since I don't really have any preference in the matter, I suppose that it's up to you.Tessitore 21:54, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, since the whole protectorate thing has been explained (thanks for that by the way) I'm inclined to agree with what you suggested. I can't really think of anything else on the obligations front at the moment, although I did have the idea of WFA citizens being allowed to join the Lancastrian military, sort of like how OTL Commonwealth citizens can join the British armed forces. I reasoned that since they'd get Lancaster's National Service dropped on them when they become fully part of the country it'd probably better to sort of ease them into it.

As for when the WFA should become a protectorate, it should probably be pretty soon, possibly motivated by the war further north. Lancaster is going to remain neutral since they don't really have any reason to get involved in what they see as the CA's war, and I'd imagine that the WFA is going to do likewise, but having a war breaking out on your doorstep is the kind of thing that'll put a country on it's guard.Tessitore 16:00, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

Need a second opinon
I've been looking at a map of the UK and something occurred to me. Would the nuke that hit the port at Barrow-in-Furness have been enough to cause a tsunami? If yes, then said tsunami would've hit Morecambe, although it probably wouldn't have been anywhere near as bad as the one that hit Cleveland. On the other hand, I suppose that it'd depend on whether or not the nuke hit the harbour itself or the land next to it. I'm having trouble figuring it out and could do with some help in the matter and I thought that since you tsunami-ed Cleveland you'd be the one to ask.Tessitore 22:35, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, good to know. Air burst over Barrow-in-Furness = no tsunami = no need to change anything in Lancaster's history. Makes my life a lot easier. As for Morecambe Bay getting contaminated, I've already got that, although not in the Lancaster article. The Food and Drink article includes a mention of people collecting cockles from the Bay to supplement the limited rations available and getting sick as a result.Tessitore 16:06, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

Cleveland Line of Succession
Saw that you added King Micheal to it. Figured that I'd tell you as well that I've left some notes as to surviving royals and nobles of a few houses on the Greece talk page as well as on Yank's talk page. The Bulgarian Crown Prince was in Worcester, Mass. on Doomsday and stands a fair chance of survival as well, though I don't know how useful that may be.

For example, the Yugoslavian - and now atl Macedonian - royal house would fall after Romania on your chart. Others on the list would be most of the Greek claimants, in some form, as well, such as Prince Amedeo, Duke of Aosta, claimant to the Italian throne and a potential Greek claimant. The Hapsburgs would be in the line of succession at some point as well.

Others that would likely prove viable for such as list would be the rulers of Swabia-Wurtemburg, the rulers of Waldeck-Hesse, the rulers of the Netherlands Antilles, the rulers of Luxembourg, and the Napoleonic claimant, which I think I left a tidbit on somewhere. I guess I'm saying that most, if not all, legitimate and surviving royals in Europe would have a claim.

Hope that proves useful in some form. Note that I don't know the succession rules for Cleveland with regards to Catholics, so they may eliminate some of these guys.

Lordganon 21:48, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

Prussia would also be before Sweden as they could trace descent from Queen Victoria through both of the current king's paternal grandparents. His grandmother, Grand Duchess Kira Kirillovna of Russia traced her descent through a son of Victoria, whereas his grandfather, Prince Louis-Ferdinand of Prussia traced it through one of Victoria's daughter. So, assuming the succesion laws in Cleveland are the same as OTL then the Prussian would be higher in the list by virtue of descent from one of Victoria's sons. Also Sweden would come before Denmark in the list. Verence71 18:03, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

TSPTF
Yeah, those two are more or less the only things. There is technically a couple more things that you can do, but nothing to concern yourself with as they will never come up, lol - just some system admin files which me and Oer have a good eye on.

Nomination will be up in a couple. All you have to do from there is accept it ^^

Lordganon 17:34, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Dogs and Cats gone wild
Hi, Smoggy. I am sorry I did not consult you when I first made changes concerning wild dogs and cats. Your lines about the eventual evolution of domesticated animals were somewhat unscientific. The large diversity among cats and dogs is the result of selective breeding from original animals still in the wild today. The only adaptations would be back towards the parent stock due to interbreeding in the wild. Just because a dog or cat is living in the wild does not mean its offspring will 'naturally' grow larger over time.

Dogs (mostly female its seems from evidence gathered by scientists) will breed with wolves in the wild in the right circumstances. The agression that has been bred out of the dogs puts them at a disadvantage in both competition and breeding. The article on Wikipedia about cats makes it plain that feral cats commonly mate with the slightly bigger "wild cat" where such animals still roam in the wild. Such mating would indeed present larger offspring, but would not evolve so much as 'be absorbed' into the original gene pool.

I can appreciate your wanting to include the UK's unique situation (lack of wild predators and no rabies) and I hope my new wording has settled that point. I am trying to keep this article general in nature, covering the whole northern hemisphere. Special cases form 'clutter' of sorts and should be included only when necessary. I did not make the changes out of spite, but only to attempt a more accurate picture of what would happen in a "Call of the Wild." (Jack London, also "White Fang" - classics about wolf-dogs). SouthWriter 18:20, May 27, 2011 (UTC)

The WFA's application
Noted. I'm just trying to work out how to phrase things. Also, do you think some symbolic stuff might be in order when it's made official? After all, it's sort of traditional to make an event of things like this.Tessitore 22:20, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

I've posted Lancaster's response to the WFA's request.Tessitore 23:22, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations
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Lordganon 07:37, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Ray Mears
Smoggy, thanks for that lovely little bit of info. Ray Mears... wow. I love that guy. He is definitely in the timeline. Fegaxeyl 19:36, June 20, 2011 (UTC) ^Seconded :) Vegas adict 19:59, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Matlock
Matlock's only a city state, it doesn't want more territory per se. It has reasonably large areas of farmland loyal to it, but no real territorial claim outside its walls. However, I have plans for a handful of other city-states nearby... Fegaxeyl 20:09, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Dover
I supose it might be worth rebuilding Dover. However it isn't a briliant natural harbor especialy when thier are undamaged ports not far along the coast so I cant see the point (At least from the point of Southern England), Fegaxyal might have a diferent view though.Vegas adict 17:14, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

It is a better port in OTL but a Nuclear bomb would wipe out that advantage.Vegas adict 17:36, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

I can tell you exactly where it would be targeted, there is no way that the bomb would be targeted at anywhere but the main port facilities or the castle. Dover has no value except for those facilities.Vegas adict 18:22, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

My New Map Game
Hey,

I just started the Imperialist America (Map Game), and I would like some players to help me out and to start it, tell your friends, I tink itll be interesting. DeanSims 15:52, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Newolland
I hadn't really disussed it with Mumby but having given the matter some thought:

Newolland seems to be concentrating more on expanding into the rest of Lincolnshire so while Woodbridge would probably be happy for Newolland to eventually take control of Kings Lynn and West Norfolk they themselves would want to claim the rest of the county although obviously Norwich and the surrounding area would be a no-go zone vis a vis radiation. Verence71 14:50, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

I suppose it depends what sort of societies exist in the rest of Norfolk, there could be bandit clans or peaceful collections of small villages. Once I've made up my mind one way or the other I'll ret-con their existence into the Woodbridge article so there could have been occasional cross-border raids or just peaceful cross-border trading. Possibly there could be both and Woodbridge could be contacted by towns with which it has traded and they ask for protection from bandit clans which would result in them eventually becoming part of Woodbridge. Verence71 13:49, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Rutland
1,500? I thought I was sending double that... oh well, adjust it up to 3,000. Right, casualty rates. Let's have somewhere around 350 killed, plus 500 or so wounded. The airship (again, I thought I was sending two) will survive unscathed. Fegaxeyl 17:33, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

As far as the Woodbridge election goes the number of casualties are irrelevant as the fact that it would be the third military operation Woodbridge was involved in just over a year that would really annoy the electorate. Having said that would a casualty rate of about 12 deaths and the same number injured among the 100 special forces guys we send be a "reasonable" amount?? Verence71 18:17, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, light fire and a single casualty would be fine. Incidentally, what's the strength of the TBA? Fegaxeyl 21:58, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

I like what you're doing with the casualty figures for Woodbridge. The fact the majority of our casualties are medics will be the final nail in the coffin of Mark Bee's government. Verence71 19:07, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Mansfield area
There'll be no need to extend the railway to Mansfield, Smoggy - the town of Mansfield has been pretty thoroughly dead for about a decade. There's not really anything there of value anymore. Fegaxeyl 20:45, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Great Yarmouth
In principle the flooding is a good idea but the only trouble is that the level of flooding you recommended would also cause major problems in Cambridgeshire which would mean that there would have to be some ret-conning with the wars against the TBA which took place in that area last.

However the basic idea of some "bad guys" in Great Yarmouth (which I like) could at some point in the future provide a "just cause" for Woodbridge expanding into Norfolk. Verence71 18:05, August 9, 2011 (UTC)