User talk:Benkarnell/Archive2

The Capitol Burns
Hello i need a little help, i am searching democrat and republican candidates to United States presidential election, 2004 (The Capitol Burns), but before 107th Congress of US burns and almost in there die in the State of the Union attacks (The Capitol Burns). every help is welcome, i think 2002 states governors (2000 states governors and 2004 states governors) are high potencial, first because they dont die, what you think--Fero 18:23, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

re bad idea
if you read the timeline it is stated that soon after WW3 the US broke up so I gave it plenty of thaught and the CSA and FSA are logical conlusions 2:47PM 11 Feb 2009 Chip2008

re bad idea
if you read the timeline it is stated that soon after WW3 the US broke up so I gave it plenty of thaught and the CSA and FSA are logical conlusions 2:47PM 11 Feb 2009 Chip2008

re bad idea
if you read the timeline it is stated that soon after WW3 the US broke up so I gave it plenty of thaught and the CSA and FSA are logical conlusions 2:47PM 11 Feb 2009 Chip2008

I think this i whats needed since people add pages without consulting the Editorial Guidelines Owen1983 18:10 16 March GMT

Doomsday-Falklands
I apologise for not informing anyone of my edit to the timeline but I noticed that what happened to the Falklands on the timeline is very different to what happened on the Falklands page.

Rhodesia Flag (1983:Doomsday)
I have seen that you often give advice on flags so if you could come up with some ideas or criticism of my current flags that would be nice. I have had some difficulty in making a flag for Rhodesia and I would like some help. I have done two separate versions which you can can see on the actual flags page. One is png and the other is jpg so be careful. If anyone has any ideas I would be grateful.

I have a new idea based on the old South African flag before 1994. It is similar to the Grand Union flag of America before the Revolution but with the current Union flag of Great Britain and Northern Ireland with the orange stripes of the orange free state. There is more stripes to represent more regions. Here it is.

With you been busy with 1983 Doomsday's Flags would you be able to give me some advice? I want to ressurect PS-1. There are a lot of things wrong, as expressed by Fenrir and Emperor Norton. I was wondering if I could get your advice on my little slice of PS-1 self-made Hell. I personally think I ruined PS-1 a bit by making a Greece like the one I made. I think I need to start over. The Emperor gave me advice which I did not listen to. This Greek Empire is supposed to be a continuation of the Athenian Empire, there are no Byzantine influences as Byzantium as an empire never existed. I think I need to start small first, maybe with redesigning Greece's Flag. I can not find any sort of flag of the Delian League/Athenian Empire, Alexander's Empire, or even a picture of the Parthenon before its destruction (it was brightly colored). Mr.Xeight 18:38, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

ANZC military insignia


Cool roundels! The trouble is the ANZAF roundel lacks of of New Zealand's white, and it coincides with OTL Jamaica's roundel (well, it does not really matter — many roundels coincide in OTL). How about something like this one?

As for Hawaii war flag... I'll think about it. But please, don't confuse naval jack and ensign. The one you have drawn is an ensign, right? — Hellerick 11:53, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

i like it --Owen1983 20:27, 20 May 2009 (UTC)



Here is a version of the New Guinean roundel I have made. I have used depiction of a bird of paradise on New Guinean ten kina banknote. — Hellerick 13:13, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

New Britannia
I've had an idea. How about I set back the fascistic RNP to about 1993 and from then on New Britannia is striving to reforge itself from the racist past to a new multiculturalist society. Also does anyone know the demographics of the UK in 1983. Also how long would it take to build a fully functioning space centre and a space shuttle. And how long would it take to build enough boats to transport 100'000 people with radiation suits and equipment to make radiation proof buildings. Bob 12:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Template
Just wanted to compliment on moving so quickly on the proposal section. The template looks great too. Mitro 01:43, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Anon vandalism
That's the third time I have seem an anon remove that new clip on the portal page. Its been a different ip address each time but I'm assuming its the same person. I would try leaving a message with them asking why they are doing it. Who knows, maybe we will get an intelligent answer. Mitro 21:59, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Membership
Ben, you are now officially inducted to the Anti-Redundancy League Against Redundancy, or ARLAR. Louisiannan 20:03, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * O both of you are hilarious and funny persons. Mitro 20:05, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Whale flag
I could never get it to look right and in my frustration I gave up. Mitro 18:43, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

New Britain
I've altered the History a tad. If you could check through and tell me any alterations I should make on the talk page I would be much obliged. Bob 14:37, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I would like to ask whether you think New Britains develoment ie the evacuation to Africa makes sense. Please answer on the talk page of New Britain. Bob 19:42, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Delete
Since you now have admin powers would you consider deleting this article: Washingtonian Empire (1983: Doomsday). Mitro 18:15, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I assume that you read the basic history of the country in the Republic of Superior article.

Virginian Republic
Can you please put Virginia back on the map? Its just about canon. And why did you put it on the map only to delete it three days later? --Yankovic270 14:00, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Thoughts on the Proposal Process
I originally posted my reply to your comment on Tristan's article on Talk:1983: Doomsday, though I archived that due to the size of that talk page. Here is essentially what I said:

"True, but I think the proposal process should not only make sure the article comport with the established history, but also reflect a certain quality that most of the articles of this TL follow. It is entirely possible (though unlikely) that an article is completely uncontradictory but has so many grammar, spelling and wiki code errors that it is barely readable and a new user coming upon it could be turned off to the TL as a whole. The proposal/graduation process should be adapted to avoid this. I am NOT accusing Tristan of this, I have for the most part enjoyed his work, but generally when I graduate an article I give it a once-over and correct any spelling or grammar problems I see. The problem is I haven't had a chance to do that recently and what I was trying to do was get someone to do so in my place. I will go ahead and graduate the other two articles, but I would highly reccomend someone give them a good copyediting. Mitro 18:40, October 8, 2009 (UTC)"

Just to add some more to it, I realize no article is ever "complete" since this TL is happening at real time and there are always new sources being dug up that require us to revise history. However I think we can assume that there is always a time when an author is "finished" or essentially done making significant changes to the article. There comes a point when each author finishes building an article and anything else he adds are just small details/changes or current events. I think when that point is reached an article should be graduated.

To sum up my view of the proposal process: (1) an article should not be graduated until it fits into the established history/canon, (2) the author is "finished" constructing the core of the article and (3) there are no major grammar or spelling errors.

By posting this message I'm not attempting to start an argument (in fact I'm actually gratefull you have return, there is a lot of work in keeping the TL in one peice) but to clearly define how far the boundries of proposal/graduation process should go. Mitro 18:58, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * I think your line "basic concept of the country (or whatever) is to be regarded as "true", and the creator can continue to develop the country (or whatever) in the way that he wants" is essentially what I meant when I said the author has finished constructing the core of the article (my second point). Lets face it even at the time of graduation there will always be stuff to add, but generally when graduated we feel the author at least has completed the core of it. Here is a big problem though, even a perfectly fitting history for a new nation could be warped or new additions could cause contradictions. Now generally its been tradition not to care that much about adding non-history sections, but even those could cause problems (see some of the early versions of Virginia). I still think though that those could be given the benefit of the doubt unless someone comes along and points out a problem.
 * I still think the best compromise is to at least require new additions to a nation's history that are significant in size (possibly those over 1000 bytes) to go through a modified version of proposal/graduation. A new proposal template could be used that just applies to sections. We can make these things go faster since the amount of content is small, but the point is that we should give everyone notice and a chance to object. Consider India. MCPrank has been adding content that will soon lead to the UIP reuniting all of fractured India. Considering how long in canon India has been divided, shouldn't we at least give people a chance to comment on India's new path before there are major changes made to the world map?
 * And lets face it, there are some regular editors to this TL who have great ideas but have problems expressing them in English. The quality of the articles language should be a factor before graduation.
 * Also I think nations that grow from general articles covering a region (like France and Spain) still need to go through the proposal process. The "parent" articles are just a general outline. The more detailed history of the individual nations can still be contradictory. I have no problem along them a quicker route through the proposal process, but a mention of them on Talk:1983: Doomsday should still happen to give other editors an attempt to object if there are any objections. Mitro 21:49, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

I do feel that we're starting to drift in the direction of the latter right now, as evidenced by the belief that some have expressed that only you (or only an admin) can remove a proposal tag.

Huh? When has this happened? I have even said a few times that people don't need me to graduate an article, but the problem was no one was graduating articles after you and Xi went away that someone had to start pushing a few through because the number of proposals was getting way too large. I realize that my style of graduating might have caused the shortening of the list to take longer, so I am not gung-ho about my plan, but I just wanted to let you know that it was never my intention to push that belief. Mitro 12:47, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well you are probably right, in fact once I did see someone write "ask the seniors." Well I'm glad your back to knock us all back into shape :-) Mitro 20:51, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

I will have the Penne ala Arribiata.
I started reading your Izzard quote and busted up laughing...my cube-mates are wondering what's so funny. My translation, and Tristan's are just the English, French, and Spanish versions of the same thing, more or less. We could take just the English version for the Media Page, or all of it. I put all three because they're the official languages of Andorra. Louisiannan 20:09, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Wrong War
Hey, i read your original idea about Wrong War, and realized it was truly fascinating. So i added almost five months of a fictional WWII, and hope to flesh out the entire War. And thanks for reading the edits i made

Costa Rica
Hey Ben,I was wondering if you had any plans for Costa Rica? I was thinking of adding Nicaragua and a Soviet Bloc backed continuation of the civil war.--Vladivostok 15:32, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * You pretty much have the 90s covered in Costa Rica. I'll start writing about Nicaragua this week,if I manage to adjust the Alaskan and Kazakhstan articles so that they can be approved as canon. I was really thinking on emphasizing on current events and the 2000s in Costa Rica,so I'd like you to go ahead with your ideas for the 90s.--Vladivostok 19:20, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

New TL
http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_(Evil_Empire) Comments and suggestions appreciated man --MC Prank 13:54, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

I hope Robbert Byrd runs for President of my Favorite State! Its name should be changed to Kanawa though. --Madgeneral123 21:47, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Can we have a text discussion on the St. Lawrence Talk Page? Lahbas 04:32, November 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * See you had no interest......Lahbas 04:55, November 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * The thing that annoys me is that there is no way on this forum to effectively communicate back and forth at once. If there is, that's how I'd like to do it. By "text discussion", I meant an archaic method of leaving a message on that talk page, wait a couple minutes, then refresh the page for (hopefully) the next response. Lahbas 15:29, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Oops
Sorry but I deleted those pages you recently marked for deletion. I thought they had been marked longer and didn't see that they were only recently marked. Do you want me to restore the pages? Mitro 04:04, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Mitro 04:25, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Yes please.Oh,I've registered as Nomad1993.

Sicily
Just checking to make sure that the changes being made to Sicily by 82.57.93.228, the guy who made the complaint about Sicily, were talked about with you first. If not I think we should revert the edits. Mitro 18:23, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and reverted the edits and protected the Sicily page. I did this after he changed the article to make Sicily a member of the LoN, pretty much ignoring established history. I also left a message on his talk page telling him to bring up his disputes on talk pages. Mitro 18:32, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Vila Cruoninga needs to explain something
I was blocked yesterday by Villa Crouninga but I was contacted by Villa Cruoninga but he was using a different username Karsten vK

Villa's signature has been made to sign Karsten VK which maybe you might have been able to tell if you read some things.
 * Owen I'm trying to be civil here; but what exactly has been up with you? Now you don't have to explain anything on my web page; I'll be too busy to read anything in a few days what with Thanksgiving coming up- and more importantly I'm fighting tooth & nail to be a foreign exchange student to Chile. All I'm saying is you were gone for awhile, and you didn't exactly come back too quietly...

Mr.Xeight 03:37, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

thancks Mr X BTW have a good thanksgiving

proposals
IMO the proposals tags brings order to cheos and it seems that pages are marked as proposals and left and this isnt the idea because it puts admins in a diificult position when it comes to deleting articles what I would like to see is proposals discussed in the main talk page we can't have users removing proposal tags without discussion we need tomakes sure decisions are carried out fairly and democraticly --Owen1983 01:57, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

NAU Flag
I decided to go with your flag due to popular demand. Would you be interested in adding an in-universe blurb to the article about why the flag was created by the NAU? Mitro 19:26, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Virginian Mechanization
Sure the Virginians are mechanized, but it is hardly modern. They use Tommy guns and river monitors, and there is not a single scrap of "modern" electronics in their gear. In fact, most of Virginia's miltary equipment (even the top-of the-line stuff) is WWII-level technology. When they usd vacuum tubes, and transisters weren't invented, let alone microchips. With their infastructure back up reletively quickly (due to creative punishments), I doubt it would be hard to produce these weapons. They may be obsolete in our TL, but since most nations of America are pretty much Civil War/Wild West level of technology since DD, they are advanced almost to the point of appearing magical. Yankovic270 19:04, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry
Yes I forgot to sign in when I made my edit. i do have an account.

Chumash Republic (1983: Doomsday)
Riley has put a lot of work into this article and I musy admit he has done a good job so I think we should promote the article to canon --Owen1983 05:15, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Some non-canon articles and other issues
I was wondering why this article hasn't been made canon yet. There seems to be no one objecting to it. I was thinking of making it canon, I wanted to get your opinion. Also, check out the Cosmodrome and biography proposals I recently made, let me know if there are any objections. And one other thing: do you think Xi'Reney might reconsider about Alaska?--Vladivostok 16:21, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

This article is plausable and there are no objections to it becoming cannon so we should promote it

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Mr.Xeight
I spoke to this user about reverting changes to Vestochny Cosmodrome (1983: Doomsday) without vladivostocks permision then he lied about it and told me to shut up --Owen1983 18:34, December 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * Owen, Mr. X did not lie. Someone has gotten access to his account and has made edits with it, he explained that to both Vlad, myself and Louis. Your actions on the other hand are not helping. Mitro 19:36, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

I'm still afraid to use my account and Owen you sticking your nose into business that doesn't concern doesn't help the situation! And I did change every single password, from facebook, to this site, to il bethisad, and hotmail, the list goes on.
 * Owen you want to part of the TSPTF? Undoing two edits that are vandalous is like a guy who stopped another man from throwing his diet coke onto the ground asking for a job on the SWAT team. And having a past where you tried to force an integral administrator to leave and then deny the whole thing ever happened even when we had solid proof with your name written right there doesn't exactly help your case. Maybe YOU should take a "wiki-break".

71.239.255.38 23:50, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

don't be afrad to use your account buddy otherwise this jerk will win your a well respected contributer to 1983DD --Owen1983 01:01, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

having second thaughts on the seguenay conflict
I must admit I went along with this but I was not happy with Celtic alliance involvement because they had no stragegic gain in the war and there are questions why this event started i have decided to rectify this --Owen1983 18:55, December 18, 2009 (UTC)