User talk:Kunarian



Venice vs. Hungary
Sorry for declaring war on you. anywayy, according to the algorythm, you would have right to almost half of the Hungarian territory and additional concessions could be made via treaty.and i'm trying to make a treaty here.in the map, the pink part is the territory which would be given to you.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 22:23, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

I am afraid I will have to take land, only in the Adriatic due to Furioso's lack of mercy and my semi-pissedness at such an early war. But no hard feelings, war is war and it was a valiant try with ok motives. so here are my demands:



the Adriatic coastal Territory

and one south american colony

Kunarian 23:50, September 9, 2011 (UTC)



A quick revision of demands, to include more Venetian areas.

With the correction of the algorythm, you would have right to up to 1181 px.the third proposal probably exceeds that. So, I think that the second proposal would be okay, since i need a coastline to have a colony.something like; all Hungarian coastline up to Ragusa (OTL Dubrovnik).or to Montenegro.However, Hungary is not willing to give one entire colony, but we can split Öböl, like the northern part is yours and the southern is mine, with the line of division being near OTL Salvador, in the northern direction.i know that the southern would give you more territory, but the fact that the northern is more sparsely inhabitated (with Hungarians) and you could move your colonists to there without much confrontations, i am looking forward to unite the colonies of Uruguay and Öböl.Hungary also offers a mutual non-aggression pact.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:37, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

I approve of this, its generous and kind. I did find it strange how I managed to in one war take more from you than any other power. I like the strip of land I have been given in the adriatic and I like the colony. By the way I also accept the mutual non-aggression pact. Kunarian 10:11, September 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * One third of all the Army. the Prussian uprising led to half of the army being moved to Poland and one third of it was relocated to the Venician front, but Béla's paranoia and ambitions led him to keep most of his troops in the borders with Russia, which claims Warsaw since they made Lithuania a vassal state, as well as in the borders with Wallachia and Moldavia, which despite being pretty harmless, he wanted to conquer in the future to avoid any risk of being invaded.in my accounts, 31% of the Hungarian army was in alert to attack Venice.most of the warships were either in OTL Albania or in the Adriatic. i think that Hungary lost roughly one third of the navy (all of it was available, but just the warships.the merchant ships weren't counted, but most had to got to the Albanian ports after they were freed, but i think that you captured some of them in the time that you controlled the whole coastline.) and one tenth of the army (one third of it was sent).--Collie Kaltenbrunner 13:14, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

András accepts the offer. i suggest that you give support through resources and put some units of your army at our disposal.Now tell me, you think that you could make a colony in Greenland work?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 16:18, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

These are the rules for colonial expansion with this union in the Holy Roman Empire-style are that; So, you have three states on your Confederation (Modena and Mantova), aside of Venice.then, you only would have right to 1550 sq km-maximum if these two were vassals, which is not the case.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 21:41, September 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't matter how many states your confederation has, your expansion is only sped up by other colonies and vassals.
 * The states on your confederation doesn't count as vassals.

Can you please let me post the map?now that we both posted maps, mine is viewing only in display, but the full resolution is yours.this makes the map extremely confusing.when i post the map, if i miss something, let me know. --Collie Kaltenbrunner 14:15, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, i'm remembering of other users in the time of posting the map. last years, somebody always complains over a mistake that i have made and even some that i did not made. (P.S. - i had to post this on your talkpage to keep the game's main page presentable)--Collie Kaltenbrunner 21:56, September 23, 2011 (UTC)

Principia Moderni (Possible Venitian Expansion Offer)
Dear Venice. We have been watching the rapid Russian expansion and are incredibily concerned. We send an offer to join arms in the period between 1673 to 1682 where we will reveal ourselves. We are currently not an ally of yours but will extend an alliance shortly before the start of the war. Venice has the chance to gain huge advantages in land. We are also approaching the nations of Vietnam, Joeson, China (to hit Russia in the east) and Naples and Sweden (to help you block Hungary, France and Anglo-Germany if they get involved). You have a vast territory open for possible expansion if you take this deal. Respond on this talk page if you are interested.

I am interested however Venice and Russia have always been allies, while Russia did not directly assist us, we remain on very good terms, so for now it is no. I will tell you if anything changes. Kunarian 09:23, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

You do not have to directly fight Russia. Just hidering an ally or supporting the main invasions is fine.

I will continue to observe for now, if cetain events come to be then I may support however direct invasion is out of the picture. Kunarian 12:02, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Will it be possible?
Originally i would stay out of this Vietnamese-Venetian War, but i am thinking of only economically support Vietnam in trade for the Irish colony in Újfundlandi. ( no mainland and colony armies except for Újfundlandi will get involved unless you invade ).and in fact, i highly doubt that they still have full control over their colony.is possible to do this and keep peace around Hungary's borders?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:30, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

I can simply swap over colonies and give them some Venetian land if I win, so it would be preferable if you supported me. Considering that I'm pretty sure its viable that Ireland would accept having a simple resource rich south american colony rather than the newfoundland one. Kunarian 20:38, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Vietnam
Well, to Naples this looks like Venice is just attacking Vietnam with no provocation. Vietnam is also very popular among Naples for bringing them out of the recession, so chances are that they will not help Venice. LurkerLordB 22:19, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Understood, will make do Kunarian 22:20, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Spain

I will offer all I can to help you. I have been building up a massive army for about 10 turns nows. I am well off money wise and will help you defend your land and fight with you if you want me to. Just let me know.

Your Ally Spain

Eldwolf 14:16, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

The Savoy Proclamation


Venice officially claims the south half of Savoy for Venice. It also states that the claim is non-negotiable. The claim may be negotiated with Savoy or may be enforced through war.

Venice would like to work with France to enforce its claim and after Savoy is occcupied it can be divided into French and Venetian claims.

The Italian Proclamation


Venice officially claims the Italian states of Florence, Siena and Asli for Venice. It also states that the claim is non-negotiable. The claim may only be negotiated with the states however the claim may be defended by force.

The Colonial Proclamation


Venice officially claims the islands of Bahamas for Venice. It also states that the claim is partially negotiable. The claim may be negotiated with other colonial nations however the claim may be defended by force.

This claim may be changed soon to only the five currently colonised islands.

Your claims are starting to become ridiculous. How do you conquer 3 nations in one turn, with almost no resistance mentioned, as well as expand your Bahaman colony in that same turn? And you have increased your size by almost 6 times your original size as well since you instantly revolted and overthrew an occupying force. Needless to say, Naples refuses to recognize any of your claims. LurkerLordB 00:15, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

These are only claims, they have not been conquered yet, simply annnounced that they are of great interest to Venice. Kunarian 06:50, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Ottoman War
I need support to get more territory from them (i would wait more 7 years, but then i realized that somebody would start a war before, so i had to go for mine.) so, let's make a according; I can't give the Peloponnesus.Hungary has interests of making a Greek vassal extanding from their border to Constantinople (although it will accept bigger or smaller things, but not lesser than proper Greece.).it would be quite inspired on the Byzantine Empire, and the Peloponnesus is essential for them.You can stay with Cyprus, Hungary has no interest on it, since it's too far away.I also want the island of Rhodes, and we need a agreement about Crete, since Hungary wants the island (how about half of the island for each?). you can definitely stay with the rest of your claims, even the Ionian islands.and i'm willing to give you most of the Aegean sea islands.(the ones away from OTL Turkey's coast) So, can i count in your support? --Collie Kaltenbrunner 16:15, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Both algorythms finished, we have 55,9 percent of the Ottoman Empire. we successfully overthrew the empire, according to it.now, how will we divide it?i am already making the map of 1680, and i'm adding to my gains the Mediterranean coast of the Ottoman Empire.now, in your algorythm you got 8629 pixels.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:40, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Papal state
Sorry that I may seem confrontational due to jumping in right after you to claim that the new Pope is closer to Naples and is probably going to fall under Naples' protectorate. I had been planning this ever since Altair went inactive, which was why I had jumped to question when he would be removed from the player list. It was not a response to you, if anyone had acted to attempt to control the new Pope I would have acted. I have provided a good RP reason I hope, as I have been continually stating that Naples donates ridiculous amounts of money to the Catholic Church, so it makes sense they would have more influence than the state that recently broke away from them and was uniting other Italian states out of opposition to the old pope. I am dropping the challenge to you owning Savoy and those two little states whose names I can never remember, hopefully that will be good enough compensation.LurkerLordB 21:47, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

I planned to try and unite with the Papal States ending tensions, btw you must be able to see that with Genoa and Venice being the big players, Papal being Venices enemy and Naples being Genoas and the whole union being based on resisting the Papals States expansion that tensions will only leap forwards. I understand your RP reason and it is good and well played out. Kunarian 21:52, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

This will probably build more tension for the Cuban/Ricasolian/Bahaman war. LurkerLordB 23:04, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

Ottoman War Part II
Both algorythms finished, we have 55,9 percent of the Ottoman Empire. we successfully overthrew the empire, according to it.now, how will we divide it?i am already making the map of 1680, and i'm adding to my gains the Mediterranean coast of the Ottoman Empire.now, in your algorythm you got 8629 pixels.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:40, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

This is my idea, you get a huge area of land to establish a byzantine state and also Hungarian lands, I get islands and crusader states then the east is broken into several small kingdoms. Btw heres the key : Venetian Green, 1: Principality of Amernian Cilicia, 2: County of Edessa, 3: Principality of Antioch, 4: County of Tripoli, 5: Kingdom of Jerusalem. Neutral Grey, 1: Astrakhan, 2: Daghestan, 3: Georgia, 4: Shirvan, 5: Karabagh, 6: Azerbijan, 7: Shahrzur, 8: Kurdistan, 9: New Mesopotamia. Also the Ottoman empire still exists its just weak. Btw I suggest creating new states as doing so encourages people to play and is more realistic, for instance, we wouldn't be able to control all of the east and so its much easier to make them small and divided. note: the lines showing the seperate crusader states will not be included in the final map. Kunarian 19:00, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Is the Ottoman Remnants the bright green thing in the middle? l LurkerLordB 19:08, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that area is logical because there are mountains in a circle like area, we can say that lots of Ottoman loyal citizens moved there after the war closed, to reduce resistance in our lands. Kunarian 19:22, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

I also had two ideas.i won't achieve to control all Balkans, so i will create the Duchy of Dobruja and the Kingdom of Bulgaria as satellite states.it also will be the Greek kingdom.but, from where did tyou got this idea of New mesopotamia?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 19:52, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Change it to Assyria, new mesopotamia is too cheesy and I found out their last name was Assyria. Mesopotamia is just the name of the area. Kunarian 19:59, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

How i'm gonna get all that territory extending to Armenia if in my editing, which is pretty similar to yours, there are only 986 pixels left to use?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:11, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

My assumption was that if you win the war, then their land is your playground, you can even annex them completely. However if you cannot reach it then make the territory up there thinner and give the areas you don't get to Georgia. Kunarian 20:15, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Nowe, in what color should i put the Crusader states? if i put in Venetian green and with their borders, they will look like vassal states or colonies, because of their distances.if they will be subordinate to you, but not vassals, i should put them in light green.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:45, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

they are subordinate but not vassals. Kunarian 21:20, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

So it will be light green.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 21:44, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

The Russians want in on the ottomans too. My only goal is the Caucasus mountains, or areas 1, 2, 3, and 4 on the neutral grey if possible mabe Abhaszia if hungary doewsn mind.LxCaucassus 14:17, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

You would have to wage war against them now, I have already RPed that they have broken away and they are not going to be pro russian, I can gaurantee that if anything ottoman has worn off on them its that. Kunarian 14:59, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

Those nations are so small, Russia could probably defeat them easily. LurkerLordB 17:34, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

I would like to see you try with Venice defending them. Kunarian 17:38, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

Venice couldn't protect them, at this rate their resources and manpower would be drained after being involved in so many wars, as well as having to reorganize the Crusader states. Venice can gain nothing from going to war over those little states. LurkerLordB 17:45, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

Venice can and still will go to war over those states beside the Crusader states are already practically organised due to the current Doge being an administration wizard. Besides this game isn't just about conquering every state that you get a chance to. Venice will benefit by having stopped another nation from benefitting. Kunarian 17:50, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

You cannot just conquer your way across the world Kunarian. It is unrealistic to set up like 10 new vassals and still be able to wage several wars against powerful nations at once. Saying "the Doge is an administation wizard, he can create whole new nations out of nothing in a couple years" is unrealistic to an extreme. LurkerLordB 22:23, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

The other nations are not under my control they are simply going to be forced into christianity and be protectorates under Venice (as in protected by Venice nothing further), I am planning to slow down after the Bahamas/Cuban war is over but there is always another war round the corner it seems. Kunarian 22:27, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

But you think that the Crusader states would be the only ones that the Venetians would directly influence, the others would just be various ethnic groups previously oppressed under the Ottomans that broke away when the Ottomans lost their power. Only the ones in dark green on the map would have any Venetian control over. LurkerLordB 22:30, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

In the end my plan was for the other nations to become Christian kingdoms that had their own agendas and also they were a way to get more people to join. Invade if you want but I will help them, I mean somebody needs to be anti-imperialism here or else the world will end up being 3 superstates called Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia. Kunarian 22:34, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

Anti-Imperialist in 1674? The only people against empires then were the ones being invaded. There are many nations if Africa, and Asia, that are open, and with the new ones, there will still be plenty of slots without having to declare an unrealistic war against people because they want to take over a couple tiny nations. LurkerLordB 22:51, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

Anti-Imperialism has always been present in Empires, if they do try to give resistance to other empires then how can they assure their position in the future. The spanish war of succession is a well known example of Empires being anti-imperialistic. Kunarian 22:54, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

I just don't think that this war would be realistic to enter. The Caucasus area provides no great resource to Russia that would be worth entering yet another war to prevent them from getting. LurkerLordB 22:59, October 2, 2011 (UTC)