Talk:Axis vs Allies: Revolutions (Map Game)

India
It says on the rule page that you can play as an occupied nation and declare independence. Could I do this with India?

The Royal Guns (talk) 10:18, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

Yup! We'll start when Principia Moderni ends. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 16:31, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

India is not occupied... Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:04, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Hate to disagree... it is a British colony, but unlike the Aussies or Canadians, it is mostly INDIAN, not white.

So TECHNICALLY....

The Royal Guns (talk) 11:11, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Good point, but it's still a colony. And Canada and Aussie became white because of the Brits (and French in Canada), so yeah.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 05:32, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

So is that a yes or a no?

The Royal Guns (talk) 05:35, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Player Readiness
No offense to Sine dei gloriem, but I don't think he's ready to take on the challenge of playing the UK. A: Because his posts are grammatically incorrect and incomprehensible, B: Because from my experience of playing with him makes me fear that he will do something ridiculously implausible like sign an alliace with Hitler and Mussolini while Winnie (the Pooh) is in power, and C: Because Britain is a major nation in the game and I think because of A and B he is not fit to play the UK. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:04, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Thoughts? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:04, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I don't know if A is the biggest problem, but yeah, B is huge.

The Royal Guns (talk) 11:11, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you Scraw. I'd like to play as Britain, if I'm any better than him. Bfoxius (talk)

I'd like to submit my name too. Would have done it earlier but... The Royal Guns (talk) 19:45, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

So, what's going on with this? The Royal Guns (talk) 14:10, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

im insulted, but my plan is going to fight of the fascist europe, i get your point but,come on! i'm not that exagerated but the only few games we have played in each other have been colonialist and in them, well i want to colonize... but if i know something has a precedent in otl i follow it Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:36, August 31, 2012 (UTC) also the nearest think i would do with Nazi germans would be warning them about invasions if they do not listen i would start the war agaisnt them like in otl

Revolutions
Just saying, the Matrix Revolutions has to have had the worst ending in all of history... the good guys (Neo and Trinity) die. and based on what the Architect said in the second one, since the Matrix rebooted, everyone who was in the fields died.

It don't bode well.

The Royal Guns (talk) 04:56, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Mods
Truthfully, I don't know the situation around here except for Crimson, so I'll make him mod, and you guys can discuss the others. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 17:14, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Call me an idiot, but what does that translate to? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:06, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

You guys choose the mods. :D PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 23:39, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

Start?
When will the game start? I'm rarin' to put down a civil war! BNSF1995, Alive since 1995 03:10, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

You can't just put it down. You're going to need to fight it, I suppose.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:16, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

Then I'll fight until every revolutionary is struck down! Still, when does the game start? BNSF1995, Alive since 1995 03:42, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

I think it's gonna start when PM starts, but you guys can choose. If you guys want it earlier, I'm really fine with it. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:54, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

Lol, we're not THAT impatient. It'll be what 10 days. The Royal Guns (talk) 20:03, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

Awwwwwwwwwwwww.... --"Truth fears no questions..." 20:12, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

Austria-Hungary
I'm interesting playing, but I'd like to know if I can ressurect Austria-Hungary.

Yank 21:05, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

But I'm planning Auscluss... :/ Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:13, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

But I would support you if you tried to take over Romania, deal? :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:15, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

I don't really feel like going for Romania. What, pray tell, do you gain from annexing Austria. I see no strategic purpose for it. There's also the propaganda value of an old ally being reformed. I just think that reuniting Austria-Hungary would put me in a better position than just taking over Romania. Yank 22:12, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

You ruined my plan!! :'( Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:23, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

START
Never mind, we start now! :D PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:34, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Britain
So, is Sine playing or should someone else take over...?]

The Royal Guns (talk) 12:37, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Ill PM him. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 18:57, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

If he doesn't respond, may I take over? The Royal Guns (talk) 23:18, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, sure, why not! PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 02:25, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Power and Influence Algorithm
Greetings. As most of you should remember, the World War I version of AvA featured a Power and Influence Algorithm that helped control plausibility outlining national power and influence. Considering the past unsuccessful Axis vs Allies games, could the algorithm perhaps be resurrected to ensure the game isn't totally implausible? ChrisL123 (talk) 00:00, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, perhaps, I need to look at it. You guys decide over it.

Alright, it has been decided. We are going to use this algorithm. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:01, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

For

 * Stewdio333 (talk) 04:56, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Enclavehunter (talk) 04:57, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * [[Image:IMPERIAL NY-SPQR 1.png|25px]][[Image:Regen Flag.png|30px|border]] Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 05:11, August 29, 2012 (UTC) (First hand experience with it.)

Discussion
Could this please be explained. I read it but I still don't get it! :/ Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:06, August 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Of course. The P&I algorithm is almost like any other war algorithm we have, but it uses key national factors (location, military milestones, allies, ethics, wars, population, etc.) that can be discovered through turns and OTL factors. They each have an assigned value, and adding them up will give a number (from 1-10) that describes how powerful a country really can be, so that way we can be assured that a country like can't defeat a country like  in a World War. Another addition to it was that number that a country has can be used to determine how many military milestones a country can have (army, military, battleships, bombs, etc). ChrisL123 (talk) 19:15, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Congrats!
We're the number one on most editors with 19 editors :) Lets keep this up! PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:30, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Well, a fore-warning now. There will be times when we will not even be in the top-5 list (believe me, its happened with PM). However, we will have to keep playing with plausibity and players will return... :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:36, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Heh, yeah, I know that will probably happen, but oh well... :) Truthfully, I've got a lot of pride in my AvA map game series :D PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:37, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Longest game series (proud to be in more than half of them)!! :'D Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:39, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

=) I really really really hope we can get to 2013 with this one... :D PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:40, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Also, look at what I made :D PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:45, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Not bad! :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:48, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Just a tiny idea
i had an guerilla agorithem seperate from the war one based on populace happiness, number of troops active in a region, tactics to dealing with insurgencies and foriegn support for either a government or an insurgency group, because i dont think that a regular war algorithem can be used for that considering anti-insurgencies are far more complex then convencional warfare, keep in mind the usa failed to fight vietnamese insurgents, chinese nationalists also failed, so did the USSR also failed this way we arent rallying on randoms chance for something that was never luck. Nkbeeching

You're right, but as they say in the Middle East, lets blow up that bridge when we get there. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:46, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Lol, that's just mean.

The Royal Guns (talk) 21:47, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

Heh, apparently that's what they say :D. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 00:47, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

Wow...
So the Japanese player made a post, and about 3 seconds after I started making a few changes on spelling, but when I pressed publish, I had an edit conflict. And then I saw EoGuy had already made all the changes I had made... and then some. Wow... PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 00:47, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

I can beat that. Back on SOCr, I posted for my nation, hit publish, and got an edit conflict. Ok, so I try again, and get another edit conflict. Then I try again, and I get another edit conflict. By now I was ticked off, and I pressed publish for the 4th time.

EDIT CONFLICT!

After that, I just gave up and posted later.

The Royal Guns (talk) 22:21, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

UK Discussion

 * ​OK, guys, let's have a vote now, am I play or Sine (as GB)? Because they are one of the major players and no one can even interact with them if there is a dispute over player. The Royal Guns (talk) 23:59, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * ​Guns:
 * ​The Royal Guns (talk) 23:59, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Enclavehunter (talk) 00:04, September 1, 2012 (UTC) (Sorry Sine, but I really agree with an experience player playing as Britain).
 * [[Image:IMPERIAL NY-SPQR 1.png|25px]][[Image:Regen Flag.png|30px|border]] Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:26, September 1, 2012 (UTC) (Sine, no offense, but you're way to inexperienced.
 * Stewdio333 (talk) 05:02, September 1, 2012 (UTC) (I'm really sorry, but what I've seen, Guns does a great job of playing as Britain.)
 * ​Sine:
 * ​Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:01, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * um - Can I abstain in the vote. Nkbeeching.
 * No. (jk, course you can.)
 * OK then, I'm going to be Brazil Sine dei gloriem (talk) 23:35, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

'''OK... so I guess I take over the UK and its colonies, hmm? The Royal Guns (talk) 14:33, September 1, 2012 (UTC)'''

'''Yeah, I suppose so. Sine has already decided to be Brazil (Sorry man), so you've got the green light.''' PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 00:34, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

i dont really have a problem with it, it doesnt really surprise me, the only thing i think its that you should have give me a chance to prove that i can play as it, but ok Sine dei gloriem (talk) 01:19, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

I really don't mind you playing as UK, I think you should have been given a chance, but I suppose the popular decision... PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 01:22, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

i know but if people desires something let them choose it, and they choosed royal guns to be britain so, well what can i do, but accept it Sine dei gloriem (talk) 01:24, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

Can I switch countries?
I know I ask this a lot on other maps, but can I change from Sweden to Romania or Hungary? I feel that I'm not getting enough action in a World War II map, and total protection seems boring. :P Stewdio333 (talk) 16:05, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

If you can I recommend Hungary over Romania. The Royal Guns (talk) 17:24, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

Is everyone okay with me changing countries? I know it might slide this time, considering that Sweden is not in a losing state, but I still need to know if this is okay. Stewdio333 (talk) 00:04, September 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Should be fine, there have been switches on previous games before. Just remember you can't post as Sweden again. ChrisL123 (talk) 01:11, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, should be fine, and besides, the game is still on its fifth turn, it shouldn't influence your nation much. Flag_of_South_Korea.png PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 01:15, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. :) I just fear that say other people do what I'm doing, causing them to abandon ship (their country), when their losing. Granted, when my country lost in New Beginning, I continued to play though. I just don't want to start a bad trend of people jumping to another country. Stewdio333 (talk) 02:32, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Country switching should only be possible if the player's first country has ceased to exist. Yank 19:33, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Moved to talkpage - Indochinese sale
'''Quick thing - I didn't purchase French Indochina. I purchased economic rights within the French colony. It's still French just that most businesses will be Japanese. Nkbeeching''' ​Imp, these belong on the main page. It is a question over plausiblitiy
 * I'm pretty sure the Japanese already had designs on all Asia, so.. Not sure if this is plausible.
 * I know they had designs on Asia but read my posts, Japan is under a new regime with different designs, while yes influence over Asia is one of my goals, I'm going to do it through non-military and non-violent means - mainly economic policies. The main goal is to help the eventual independence of fellow Asian nations and gain influence in them but through cooperation and slow decolonization. For the most part anyway, I still plan to butcher China as much as possible but acting civilized XD.
 * hmm...

The Royal Guns (talk) 22:14, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

They take up space as they can be done on the talkpage rather than cluttering up the main page(no offense). :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:43, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Joining?
I'm going to be on this site a bit mroe soon as I'll be doing PM II. So I was wondering whether I could play as Bulgaria in this map game? seeming as it doesn't appear to be taken and it's pretty early on I reckon it'll be fun. Kunarian (talk) 13:37, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, you're welcome to play! The more the merrier :D PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 13:46, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Fantastic! :D Kunarian (talk) 13:48, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Mods and Mapmakers
I've completely reconfigured the section into German, lol, if anyone has any other titles, please post here lol. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 14:06, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Can we use ranks from Imperial Russia or Bourbon France? I want to be Marshal of France!

If not, can I be Minister of Propaganda as well as Reichsmarschall? Then I can spread propaganda for the game and get some new players! (Very crafty with propaganda. Look at all the nations I had ready to go to war in PM. You know what I mean, Imp. ;)

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:44, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Can I mod? The Royal Guns (talk) 20:55, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

I suppose you can.

Anyways, I suggest political titles for mods, Wehrmacht titles for the mapmakers, Kriegsmarine titles for the algorithmers, and Luftwaffe titles for Grammar Nazis.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:26, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Algorithm
Considering we don't have an algorithm yet. I propose to use the algorithm from the previous game. Enclavehunter (talk) 18:53, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 21:07, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

No Longer Interested
I'm no longer interested in playing this game. Thanks for screwing over my planned Austria-Hungarian reunion Stewdio.

Yank 19:32, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

You could still do it, having another player there makes it more interesting anyways. And what's wrong with maybe a Confederate or Federal Austria-Hungary with two players, you taking up Austria and the Czechs with him taking up Hungary and the east, then you could technically have an even greater Austria-Hungary. By the way this is just a suggestion and maybe a way of getting ideas going on how you can have your cake and eat it too. Kunarian (talk) 19:40, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Well, the Czechs are mine!! -.- Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:42, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

That's kind of... mean. It's not his fault, it's mine. I recommended it to him (sorry). I'm pretty sure he didn't know. The Royal Guns (talk) 20:11, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

I stated up front that I wanted to ressurect Austria-Hungary. It's his fault for not reading that message. I find it frustrating that I must once again reiterate that I belive that nation switching is an extremely bad idea when the player in question isn't forced to do so. Sweden is stil perfectly fine, so why does he feel the need to switch? The idea that you stick with the nation you picked (unless factors outside your control intervene) should be a fundamental rule of ANY map game.

Yank 20:21, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Well, then, he probably did know in that case, but frankly... Sweden is an incredibly stupid nation to play in a WWII game. And He abided with your wish to start with, but... You can't blame him for wanting to actaully do something in this map game. Besides which, reuniting AH in all it's glory is implausible, IMO.

Welll, you could ask him to switch to Romania.

The Royal Guns (talk) 20:35, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know what your problem is, Yank. You seem to get too emotional over small and irrelevant things. Do you not see the greater benefit of having a player controlled Hungary as part of AH? It's far more benificial then going on it alone.

And Sweden is a neutral crapland. He needs to do something in this game.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:42, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

I consede the point. I apologize for my behavior. I have autism, which means I can be quite hotheaded at times (though I'm having a better time controlling it recently). I'm still quiting the game, as I'm likely going to neglect it in favor of the next Principia Moderni game when it comes out. Yank 21:31, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

OK, I understand. On both points.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:34, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

'Big Cheese'
hh, guys, just saying. By WWII, both France and the UK were as strong as the US and Germany. After all, it was the Brits who held the Germans, as well as the Russians. Oh, and the Russians wouldn't have been ble if it wasn't for massive amounts of British supplies that were shipped there. The Royal Guns (talk) 21:05, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Thusly the Big Cheeses are America, the UK, Germany, and France. The USSR is not busy fighting Japs and is in full cahoots with the Germans.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:13, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

UK Troops Numbers
The UK probably had the highest troops numbers in the entire war, OTL; Russia threw in 3 million, the nazis some 5-6, America around 4, Italy around 2, Japan around 4-5, the rest around 1, and the UK around 9. That is; 3.5 form the Isles, 3 from an India which hated the Brits (which problem I have solved, so it'll be higher, around 4-5 million ATL), and 2.5 from the Aussies, Canadians, etc. So, NO complaints when I raise 10 million. It is PERFECTLY plausible.

The Royal Guns (talk) 13:34, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

But those men came from mass drafts which were in turn caused by the war. Also, those 10 million weren't drafted all at once- it took years. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 21:39, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Map games
Is it just me or have map games' popularity increased dramatically over the past few months? When I first came to the wiki, a map game was considered extremely popular if it had 8-12 edits per 3 days. Now, it's like 12-16. This game alone has 21, which is a lot of users. Thoughts? PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:42, September 4, 2012 (UTC)