User talk:Ownerzmcown



I am Sorry
I am sorry for all the things I said to you. Please forgive me. --Catherine 23:01, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Europe 1430
Europe 1430 has been reverted to 1522, before all the implausiblity happened, and ProfessorMcG awarded me control. Please read the archives and look at the current maps, and jump in to play! Thanks! --Catherine 23:01, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Second crusade
please go Destroyanator 18:06, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

1983: Doomsday
Hey, I read on Yanks talk page that you wanted to sign up for 1983: Doomsday. Basically, you don't need to sign up. You just write whatever you want, as long as its possible. Arstarpool 02:53, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, to put maps is pretty difficult, but it's quick to do. Go to another nation page, and click source code on your edit bar. You will see that there is a thing that says something like this:

"Name=

"Map=(the name of the file goes here)"

Coa=

Leader=

...things like that. Your going to copy and paste that whole thing onto your thing, and then fill it in. If you find it difficult, I could do it for you.

Here are some of the last places nations can be made:

Southern U.S. Coast (keep it small)

New England (make like a very small nation there.)

Spain

East Europe

The Balkans

Kalingrad (also called East Prussia)

Africa

Chinese coast

Texas Coast

The Middle East

Thats about it... Arstarpool 17:44, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Britain (keep it small)

Arstarpool 17:44, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

It can be started anytime after 1983. I think, though, that a newer nation would be cooler, but it's your choice. And yea, we have room in South East Germany.Arstarpool 18:24, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Are you going to go ahead with a new nation? Arstarpool 01:24, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

I decided not to, I think I'm just gonna go with the Map Games for now, if you want you can take over the country I've already created, its called the Second Polish Republic Ownerzmcown 1:53, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

You'll have to wait until Sunday, cuz I'm going on vacation. Arstarpool 13:56, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

It's looking great. Arstarpool 02:04, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Rise of America
You do know that we started and there is no particular order right? Eastward Expansion 18:06, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I put up the post about the Aztecs, their my country! Ownerzmcown 18:08, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Cold War
Hi there, can I please be Portugal in the Cold War map game?

Thanks in advance,

Heraklion

Its not my map game, its made by Arstarpool.

Macedonia
Could I work on the Macedonia page with you? BoredMatt 01:53, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I need a map for it, not a map of OTL Macedonia, but of a region called Greater Macedonia. Ownerzmcown, 2:00, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

It's looking pretty good, although I haven't been able to find any information on the "King". Arstarpool 03:40, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I haven;t made a page for the king, but he's a real person, look up Alexander, Crowned Prince of Yugoslavia. Ownerzmcown 03:42, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Neither. It can be written in by you that it's a member, an observer, has sent an application, or is banned. Arstarpool 02:51, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations! You made a much more interesting article than I could have ever made. I had an unoffical agreement with Vladivostok that I created the Serbia and Macedonia articles, while he wrote the Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia articles. I thank you for taking Macedonia off my plate.

Yankovic270 16:20, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Userpage?
Why doesn't your user page show sup on your signature? Try doing these ~ (that little symbol right there) four times. So that it looks something like this: ~ ~ ~ ~ (without the space between them.) Arstarpool 20:16, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Roman Empire
Hi, I see you're the Byzantine Empire in the map game, but you're not annexing anything, or invading, I originally think that you were going to be a new Empire and if you reached Phoenicia I was going to ally to you for just not invading me, but your rule is being taken by Belgica. VENEZUELA 22:13, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Central World
Hi might you create articles for Central World and give me your opinion, I'm trying to turn it into a community project! Please Answer Me. VENEZUELA 23:28, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Ok I'll do it the next week! VENEZUELA 00:11, July 16, 2010 (UTC) Feel free to add what you want! VENEZUELA 22:20, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Rise of Roses
Well, the Pacific Federation (one of the most powerful nations) still needs to be made. If you make it, add it to the Rise of Roses Talk Page and the list on the actual Rise of Roses Page. You may want to do some research into this TL with the Timeline ad PODS page. One thing though, the PF (Pacific Federation) is a union of states led by Australia.Eastward Expansion 02:05, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

No Napoleon's Elba
Oh yes of course you can adopt it! I use an online program called [http://www.pixlr.com/ Pixlr. Best of luck, and I hope you turn it into a prosperous timeline.]

Eastward Expansion 22:33, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Would you please tell me what categories I added? I am sorry if I did not respect your wishes.

Eastward Expansion 17:24, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

It says it on 1841-1881 (No Napoleon's Elba) you made an edit and I assume that was the added category. Ownerzmcown 17:34, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

IRC
This is sort of an IM thing that Smallpox and Vegas found, I checked it out and it's pretty cool.

Go to http://webchat.freenode.net/

write your nickname

type "wikia_ah" (remove quotation marks) in the channel box

enter, and party.

BoredMatt 14:22, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

PS me and EE found the layout a bit confusing, you type in the text bar at the bottom of the screen.

1430
Check the talk page about the invasion. BoredMatt 22:17, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Owner, most of these people that you are "recruiting" don't even play the game that often, and i've written like five paragraphs on how it is not only plausable, but very, very easy to carry out my invasion.BoredMatt 14:00, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Haha I like your user page :D BoredMatt 15:50, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

A Message
Hey if you haven't already vote at the bottom of the main talk page of the site. Please give your opinion if you want to. Also you have my permission to restart the Cold War map game. Arstarpool 02:25, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Hi
Hey, I was just wondering if you could read my primary AltHist, French Trafalgar, British Waterloo, and give me some feedback, comments or ideas, if you don't mind. I've kinda hit a writers block, so maybe some new ideas will help me!

Thanks, Tbguy1992 05:15, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Try either an United States invasion of Mexico or something else in Asia, honestly thats all I got. Ownerzmcown 05:19, August 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * The template you speak of, found here was created for me via special request from Realismadder, who graciously accepted. I know, its awesome.


 * what did you think of the TL other wise, though? Tbguy1992 02:50, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Negotiations
Owner, I'm terribly sorry for any offense I caused you at the negotiations;but they were just that-negotiations. I'm going to be honest-I was a complete wanker to you all because I took the fact you didn't ask me about Macedonia's relationship with Greece far too grieviously. Now you probably won't believe me, but I'm legitimately trying to make this up to you and even become friends. Do you have to believe me? No. Will you? Probably not, for which I don't blame you. All I'm trying to do is make this right and culminate a friendship; a nuked-city and a naming-discrepency are nothing to sweat about, and I'm sure you have more. Also, since Macedonia is a monarchy and the young adults (as in 17-30, not what American-fiction deems "young adult") are becoming more-and-more infatuated with neo-conservaticy, the old Kingdom of Greece and Greece's long history as the heir to the Athenian and Byzantine/East Roman Empires as well as the Kingdom of Greece, the people would probably become more and more pro-Macedonian each day. Who knows, perhaps Macedonia can tutor Greece on how to become a proper, democratic/constitutional monarchy. Mr.Xeight 21:36, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Xeight, I have to thank you for your professionality and for being mature in this matter, although the idea of negotiation has by now broken down, but perhaps the idea of Macedonia and Greece having a freindship in the post-DD world have appeared to be impossible, Macedonia has made contact with a country, Turkey, that has horrible relations with Greece, and now the two countries are great partners and I'm afraid that Macedonia and Greece must stay enemies. Ownerzmcown 23:41, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

I apologize, friend, but if you don't mind, I'd like to at least keep trying until we work something out.

The bad relations all stem from me being a complete prick to you over a simple misunderstanding, am I correct? Well if you'd accept my apology, we can't not change the past-I did it with Greece years ago (originally Greece was part of a state that unified with Turkey after I decided to go with the idealistic "Doomsday changes everything, let's set aside our differences and survive), and really nothing is written in stone so to speak. Though I'm a true "Son of Hellas" if you will, post-Doomsday the name-dispute in my opinion doesn't really matter anymore, and Greece isn't a victim in this-merely one faction in an old dispute. Since Greece's control over the North is widely shattered, I'm willing to completely forsake any claims to it, minus the Thracian Reclamation Territory. If I may propose something, perhaps even the Balkan-states work together to repopulate the territory? Now it might be crazy, and thus if we all work together then the territory would be fairly new. If Greece goes it alone, it's going to take decades for a farily-stable population to result. If say Rhodope, Greece, and Macedonia all work together (I'd even be willing to include Turkey), then it'll be easier to stablize. Also, perhaps we need to see beyond what divides and see what unifies us: Orthodox Christianity. Constantinople is a holy city for Orthodox-Christians everywhere, no matter of what Patriarchate. If the powers got together and work together to reclaim the territory, then well, it would take significantly less time. What are thoughts? Would you be willing to rewrite the past and save Constantinople from being forgotten in time with me? Mr.Xeight 23:54, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Look, if you can get the following, then I'll give consideration to the concept:


 * The go ahead from Lordganon (Rhodope) and Caeruleus (Turkey) for the idea


 * Create a list of ideas for the name of such a union thats good by me


 * Finally, agree that if we decide to create such a union that the center will be a rebuilt Constantinople (The old name makes more historical sense to me) although a privisional center will probably have to be selected

Ownerzmcown 00:27, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Graduating Macedonia
Can I help you get Macedonia graduated? I've seen the arguments and I just want to help. If it means scaling down a bit I will be willing to do it but I want it to be graduated. Arstarpool 22:37, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Yes! Please and thank you! Ownerzmcown 02:43, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Yugoslavia
Well, I think that any alliance between Serbia & Montenegro with Macedonia would automatically exclude Croatia, Bosnia or Slovenia. That being said, trade wouldn't of course be off the table. Generally, I think the relationship would be peaceful and productive, although since Slovenia and Croatia are planning on joining the ADC, while Greece is in a dispute with Macedonia, that would perhaps lead to relations being cordial, friendly perhaps, but definately not an alliance.--Vladivostok 21:30, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

A pact between Serbia & Montenegro sounds good to me, but what would we call it and would there be other members? Ownerzmcown 21:56, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it doesn't necessarily have to have a name, just a firm international relationship. But, on the other hand, I realize that relations between Macedonia and Serbia are not my strong suit. That would have to be looked into, to see if there is lasting anymosity in the region.--Vladivostok 22:06, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

The Wikipedia page on the subject says that they have good relations, although because Kosovo would likely never become a problem in this timeline, then they would remain good friends. Ownerzmcown 02:53, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, and they could have a strong relationship then. But I saw on Oer's talk page that your initial idea was to have them create an organization, or group. People have been always trying to lump these nations together, but it really isn't doable, unless it is forced. Perhaps a yearly summit, or council in which they discuss regional politics, I could see that.--Vladivostok 06:40, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Almost There
Just a little more until Macedonia is finally canon! All Mitro wants is for you to change the map.

So what's next? Europe is pretty filled up...there's still room for city-states and such in North America, though. The page mentions at least a dozen city-states that haven't been written about yet, and  looks promising with a couple city-states mentioned too. South-east California has room with lush farmlands. Central Florida is pretty empty too. Missisisippi, Alabama, Georgia, and Louisiana are surprisingly empty as well. Arstarpool 04:03, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Macedonia and Turkey
These two pages are always getting objetced. With your permission I would like to temporarily take the reins of Macedonia and get it graduated. I may have to give up a (small) part of the Greek lands and a large chunk of Serbia if you want it to get graduated because these are the two places everyone keeps on getting into arguments about. Get back to me soon. Arstarpool 19:20, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry Arstar, but as much as I would like to have my article graduated, I find it necessary to keep being the caretaker of the Macedonia article. Ownerzmcown 21:45, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

myhistory
Thanks for your interest in my page. if you have any ideas for it, you can allways make suggestions on my talk page. If you dont mind me asking, but where do you live? (Hellenicemperor 20:39, October 17, 2010 (UTC))

No offense, but I do have a problem, and I really don't have any ideas. Ownerzmcown 20:55, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

Explorers 1452
Our concessions for England are getting hilarious... if England agrees to any of our proposals, even if the side that England accedes to join wins, will get completely out of money. Fedelede 02:59, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

I agree, honestly, I just said the thing about the frigate to force the subject, maybe we are going a bit going to war all of a sudden, what do you think? Ownerzmcown 03:02, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure. If I were a general of the age, I would be almost sure that a war between France and Florence was soon to start. It is a bit of a forced start, yes, but it is not sudden. Although this will be an extremely good war. Fedelede 03:06, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Are you pulling Muscovy into this? Fedelede 03:07, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Well, it is Poland-Lithuanias main ally, I'm just advising, also, I agree, but maybe we should just leave this war to France and Florence. Ownerzmcown 03:08, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

It's true. But I only started offering alliances to the West and Poland-Lithuania because you had the Pope ready to excommulgate me if I invaded you, Venice in my heels, and were offering an alliance to England: It would have only been a fair match if I had parted from the Pope and had founded my own branch of Christianism, so that I could ally with the Mamluks and Ottomans. Even if Florence is mighty, compare it to the French Behemoth! Fedelede 03:12, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

This is also true, so what do you think we should do? Ownerzmcown 03:13, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

The war with Florence is over, Ownerzmcown. At least as far as the Papacy is concerned. Florence has been so badly mauled by England, Ireland, and the Papal States that it has been begging for its life.

The Florentines have offered to pay you thousands of florins per year and give you Corsica if you make a ceasefire with them. Personally, I (and the Map Game pope) recommend this. As noted on the negotiation page, they will pay you so much wealth per year it will drive them to bankruptcy. You will also get Corsica, a traditional French territory OTL. Once you have bled the Florentines dry in a few years, you can start the war again sometime (Since it's a ceasefire, not necessarily a white peace) and achieve more profitable and strategic results.--Emperor of Trebizond 21:01, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Macedonia
Arstar has moved that since you've not worked on it in a while, Macedonia should be opened for adoption by others.

Though you should know - though, I'd be willing to add the details I mentioned to the thing to make it up to specs, if you'd like. Would shut all that up, lol.

Lordganon 07:11, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, Owner, what's your game plan for Macedonia? If its just going to sit there there's a lot of willing people, like LG who would be willing to get it graduated or else its gonna end up being a proposal forever :P Arstar 16:18, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

I've simply had to take a break because of school, and now that its died down a bit I'll begin making the changes very soon. Ownerzmcown 20:02, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Pokemon
Hey, when you say that you play Pokemon on your userpage do you play the newest games? Arstar 10:52, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

The latest game I have is SoulSilver, but when Pokemon Black and White come out I'm probably gonna get one of those. Ownerzmcown 14:32, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

Oh cool, I returned to playing HG and I was wondering do you play online? If you do my Friend Code is 1076 7355 3291. Arstar 21:40, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

Serbia
Nice to finally see Macedonia done, lol.

At any rate - Serbia! How about we turn that one into a joint project? I've got some things in mind for it in relation to Transylvania and the Bulgaria articles, and I'm sure you've got a few things in mind in relation to Macedonia.

And, of course, having to bring it into line with Macedonia, lol.

Lordganon 20:59, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds fine with me! Ownerzmcown 21:45, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

I'm curious - what do you think the eventual result would be for Serbia in the future? They are surrounded by hostile and semi-hostile nations, after all - and many would love a crack at it.

I've also begun a history, etc. for Serbia. Thoughts on a date for when the Serbs first deal with Macedonia? (i.e. the dates for the first skirmish after landing, the encounter with the general in Macedonia, and the date that the northward advance halts) Or can I just make them up to fit the story and the Macedonia history?

Lordganon 08:41, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Well considering Macedonia has already bean canonized, I'd say that we work with the Macedonia article. Also, Serbia's only real ally is Greece, Greece would try, and likely fail, to get help from the ADC if war broke out. The most likely thing to happen would be one of the other smaller former Yugoslav nations will begin a war with Serbia, Greece will try to help, Macedonia would absolutely join in that case, or vice versa. Then when Macedonia gets involved, Turkey gets involved and the most likely result would be Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia, Macedonia, and Turkey vs. Greece and Serbia. The end result will most likely be a victory for the "Coalition" and most likely Serbia and Greece would end up giving sizable amounts of land. Ownerzmcown 22:25, December 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Croatia and Slovenia are applicants of the ADC. I highly doubt that they would get involved. Bosnia, on the other hand, is already an ally of Turkey, so no problems there. Where does it actually state that Serbia and Greece are close? I always assumed that Serbia and the ADC wouldn't have strong relations.--Vladivostok 23:11, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Although I'm not entirely sure who first told me, it might have been Xeight, which he might have just said to be "afraid" of Greece. I guess it would then just be Bosnia, Macedonia, and Turkey vs. Serbia, which would likely mean Bosnia regaining the entire nation, Macedonia getting more of southern Serbia, and Turkey might end up with political influence in Serbia or possibly some Serbian coast. Ownerzmcown 23:40, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Speaking for Greece, I can honestly say that they don't like the Serbians much either. Actions like they will have done in Bosnia/Croatia are a little hard to forget. No love is lost between the two, nor would they ally.

I'll cook up dates, then - Macedonia doesn't actually have any for parts of its early history. It'll work out.

I was more so thinking that we could have all of the neighboring nations form some sort of loose alliance if/when the nationalists in Serbia (warmongers, may I add) come back to power. Divy up the whole thing, lol. Most would probably go to Macedonia, if that helps - call it the kingdom of Macedonia and Serbia after that, lol. Croatia/Bosnia would get back their territory, and I can honestly say that some areas inhabited by other minorities would get "eaten" by other eastern and northern "neighbors" of Serbia. Montenegro could go either independent or in the kingdom, mind. Turkey or Greece could get involved, but I kinda doubt that any nation would invoke an alliance for a dogpile like that, lol.

Lordganon 00:01, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

So we're actually going for this? Fine by me. Either Macedonia would take all of Serbia, or maybe just large parts of it. I can't really think of any other nations besides former Yugoslavia getting involved or dividing up Serbia. Ownerzmcown 00:43, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't say actually going for it. More like a half-idea for some point down the road.

As for the other half of that, Transylvania has claims in Serbia.. and there are areas with majority Hungarian and Bulgarian populations.... ;)

Lordganon 00:46, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, what I imagine is that Macedonia would gain parts of Macedonia, give independence to Montenegro, possibly leave a small part of Serbia independent, although under a pro-Macedonian regime, and giving the Hungarians and possibly the Bulgarians their own nations. If this course of action is taken, then I believe that the creation of a "Yugo-Sphere" of some kind would be possible, some kind of Macedonia dominated alliance or organization that would likely be military and economic. Also, what do you think would be the size of the three branches of the Serbian armed forces, it under conscription, so I'd imagine large. Ownerzmcown 00:54, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Something for the future, really. Though I meant that Partium/Rhodope would join in if Transylvania did ;)

As for the size of each branch, I would base that somewhat off of the Macedonian numbers. In my mind, they'd be about equal, except the navy. That'd be the size of the Macedonia Adriatic Fleet, plus another thousand or so at most for Danube river boats.

Lordganon 02:14, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

You'd have to give a good reason for either to intervene in what would likely just be a former Yugoslavia conflict. As for the river boats, they won't help much because the Danube River doesn't extend into Macedonia. Ownerzmcown 03:21, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

As I said, both of those would actively go along with a Transylvanian attack.

The river boats would be to keep the river secure, not anything to do with Macedonia.

Lordganon 04:09, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Where would the Serbian originally get their weapons, and would the Serbian industry be able to produce its own weapons. Ownerzmcown 22:59, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Serbia definitely has the industry needed to make its own weapons. Most of those industries are not in Belgrade, but in central Serbia. By the looks of things, in fact, only 2 or so of the major companies that would be involved with that production (ammo included) are headquartered there - the rest are in the center.

As for where they got the weapons originally, that's pretty simple: a definite majority of Yugoslav military bases (planes, etc.) are in Serbian areas, a majority of the troops were either Serbian or Montenegrin, and a large majority of the officers were Serbs.

Yugoslavia was basically dominated by Serbs, realistically. As things stood, while under Tito things were fairly multi-ethnic, by 1983 the Serbs and their allies had control.

Lordganon 03:41, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Err.. what I meant was that they would have kept control of the bases and factories - no need to search for old weapons or resume manufacturing. The bases would have stayed under their control, leaving whatever was not used in the wars under their control. The factories, while suffering from a slight shortage of materials, etc. would have held the same manufacturing abilities, outside of Belgrade, that it had started the wars with. This includes all the arms factories, pretty much. Like I said, central Serbia - which is the Nis/Krusevac regions of Serbia, plus a bit further north.

Lordganon 22:06, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

So when will Serbia's next general election be? Because a little after that I believe would be the best time for Macedonia and Serbia to go to war. Ownerzmcown 16:23, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

I set up the Serbian election cycle to mesh well with the Macedonian Civil War. It's every 5 years, starting in 1989. So: 1989 > 1994 > 1999 > 2004 > 2009 > 2014 Meaning the next one would be in 2014, barring some sort of major voting failure in the Assembly, which wouldn't happen legally at this point - the governing Socialists are propped up by the various minority parties, who have issues with the nationalists and would not vote with them as a result.

Dont forget though, you'd need a few allies besides Turkey to pull off a major victory. All you need to do is look at the population numbers to see that, lol.

Lordganon 16:44, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

So clearly the legal and electoral way appears to be out of the idea, so the most likely thing would be a Nationalist revolution, or something along the lines.

And the sides at this point I'm thinking would be Macedonia, Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia, Turkey, Transylvania, Rhodope, and Turkey, vs. Serbia. This "coalition" I believe would clearly outnumber the Serbian army. Ownerzmcown 19:59, December 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd just like to say once more that Croatia wouldn't enter a war against Serbia, and Slovenia would definitely not want to enter another war. Croatia led a defensive war in OTL and TTL and would only be in this coalition if it were directly attacked. Bosnia is fair game though, and is already in an alliance with Turkey and would then probably have good relations with Macedonia.--Vladivostok 21:17, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, Vlad.

True that those all combined would outnumber them.

Really, a war is somewhere off in the future. All things considered, a nationalist revolution would be unlikely - something that brings down the government and gets a new election, however, would not be impossible. I myself would prefer to wait a while. We'll revisit it sometime in the spring, I think.

Lordganon 02:13, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough.

Ownerzmcown 20:23, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

I think that we may be just about done lol

Anything you can think of that needs adding still?

Lordganon 05:25, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

Although I'm still working on the military part, I think all of the other important parts have been taken care of.

Ownerzmcown 20:17, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

I'll ask for objections then.

Lordganon 21:19, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Do we ever increase the population number on these articles, its not like the size of the country's population stays the same forever? Ownerzmcown 01:15, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

You are correct, we do change the populations periodically. But, it is something that should be done every couple years real-time, at most, like real census-taking.

Lordganon 02:18, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

I'd think that in this world, there would be a census like every 2 years or so.

Ownerzmcown 19:42, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

It really would depend on the country, and how fast it grows.

At any rate, Serbia has now been graduated! =)

Lordganon 07:28, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

Albania
Thought I'd let you know that we can ignore that Albania article completely - it was made obsolete.

More room for us to make articles, lol.

Lordganon 07:55, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Hey LG, I was thinking that now Albania is obsolete, do you think I could make a page for the Republic of Albania that the Macedonia page talks about? Ownerzmcown 22:09, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

Power to you. I've been working on a couple ideas for the south of Albania myself, lol. Just remember to keep it in the north/center of the country. Lordganon 22:14, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

Common Defense Organization
Owner, if you remember, we discussed creating a common defense organization between Turkey, Macedonia, and other allied countries. I finally came around to remembering that conversation recently, but do you still want to do it? We can co-write the article. And, if you're still interested, what do you think it should be called and who would you want included? Caeruleus 01:09, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I absolutely believe this would be a great project for us to create, it would likely consist of Macedonia, Turkey, and Macedonia and Turkey's other regional allies. I can think of only the Eastern Mediterranean Security Organization at the moment. Ownerzmcown 01:48, December 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Cool. I was thinking of including Bosnia, New Erzurum, and Greater Patnos. I talked to Fxgentleman previously and he agreed that Lebanon, and possible some Syrian survivor states, would probably join. As for the name, I only came up with Meditterranean Defense League/Organization (MDL or MDO), though the name really doesn't matter to me. You can pick the name if you want. Caeruleus 01:52, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

What about Israel? Ownerzmcown 02:00, December 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * According to Fxgentleman, they probably wouldn't join because Israel, Jordan, and the GSU would form their own defense organization focused on opposing Iran. However, cooperation between the two organizations is possible since they share some common goals. Caeruleus 02:20, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

I originally thought Croatia and Slovenia, but their joining the ADC and that would definetely interfere, so I think we should first come up with a definite list of possible members. Also some kind of reason, like the ADC and Sicilian aggresion. Ownerzmcown 02:30, December 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * They haven't officially joined the ADC yet, so this organization could offer a tantalizing second option for them.


 * But as a preliminary list, here are the nations I could see joining:


 * Turkey
 * Macedonia
 * Bosnia
 * New Erzurum
 * Greater Patnos
 * Azerbaijan
 * Lebanon
 * Croatia (maybe)
 * Slovenia (maybe)


 * Also, I could see some states around the Black Sea, such as Crimea or the Don Republic, joining as a way to oppose Siberian expansion. Caeruleus 02:36, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

I think the Mediterranean Defense League would be the best name, but possible we would might need to change the name if those members join. I think it should be founded in order to defend from other states such as Siberia, Serbia, and possibly Iran. If we made this the idea, then the possibility of more states joining increases. Ownerzmcown 03:00, December 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Opposing Siberia, and too a more limited extent Greece and Serbia, would definitely be the main goals of the organization. However, opposing Iran would be a difficult position since Turkey and Iran have an informal agreement due to their aligning interests and the GSU and Israel don't really care much about Siberia, Greece, or Serbia. But opposing Siberian expansion should be enough to get several former Soviet survivor states to join.


 * And here's the link to the page: Mediterranean Defense League
 * Caeruleus 04:28, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

I created the page and added a few basic things. Check the MDL talk page for specifics. We can carry this conversation there now. Caeruleus 04:53, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

I've had another idea for post-Warsaw Pact states for a while now so I hope you don't think I'm stealing your idea, but it'll include many to most of the former Warsaw Pact/Soviet states. I wouldn't have a problem with them being on good terms/allied with the MDL however. Arstar 05:22, December 13, 2010 (UTC)


 *  Azerbaijan will not be joining, and Vlad has said that he wants his Slovenia/Croatia articles to join the ADC. And as a reminder, you will need his permission to deal with Bosnia in such a regard as well. Lordganon 07:26, December 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why wouldn't Azerbaijan join? And Vlad ok'd Bosnia joining weeks ago. Caeruleus 12:36, December 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Because as its caretaker, that is my wish. Verbatim. Lordganon 12:48, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

Sicily War
Hmm.. Well, maybe, lol.

What's the view held by Macedonia on Sicily? Note that no direct intervention either way would occur, but there's a few things I could have happening otherwise depending on there views.

Lordganon 03:09, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Macedonia views Sicily as an enemy to the world and kind of imperialistic militiants, it says something like that on the Macedonia page. Ownerzmcown 03:12, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Heh. What I thought I remembered, more or less.

How would them taking up an "armed neutrality" stance following the invasion of the Ionians sound? It would limit Sicilian movements even further, helping the ADC/IPA.

Lordganon 03:29, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds very agreeable. Ownerzmcown 03:30, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Nuclear Devastation
The Nuclear Devastation (Map Game) is starting now PitaKang 05:14, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Doomsday
Well, there is several areas something could be done, even if a lot of it would be city-states. What part of the world would you like to work in? lol Lordganon 07:51, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

North America, Asia, or Africa. Ownerzmcown 21:40, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Also, you sure don't want my help with the military section for Greece? Ownerzmcown 21:47, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sure. Should start on it sometime in the next few days.

NA, Africa, and Asia, eh? Hmmm..... Note that most of these would be small countries for you to do as you wish in, following their collapse.


 * Africa:
 * The two Congos, outside of the capital city-state and Katanga, are empty.
 * Liberia, outside of the Port of Monrovia, has only got state names in place (Democratic Republic of Lofa and Republic of Nimba both have articles, though are undeveloped stubs with virtually no content - there is also the Democratic Republic of Liberia and the Revolutionary Republic of Liberia that were planned at some point, having existed between 1985 and 1991 or so).
 * Kenya, which canon says is somewhat stable.
 * The mainland portion of Tanzania, which canon says went to hell.
 * Uganda, which collapsed, outside of Buganda.
 * Malawi
 * Zimbabwe, which collapsed.
 * Zambia
 * Fate of Lesotho and Swaziland, outside of their survival, has never really been determined.
 * Rwanda
 * Burundi
 * Angola, collapsed, has several half-started articles, in addition to space for more.
 * Central African Republic
 * Gabon
 * São Tomé and Príncipe
 * Algeria has several Greek-aligned states, like Kabylie - Chaoui, and Souk Ahras - and other states, Tamanrasset, Tamahaq, and M'zab - info about these would start on the Algeria article.
 * A breakaway version of the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, the Independent Republic Sahrawi Arab, which controls around half of Western Sahara as well as nearby parts of Algeria and Mauritania.
 * There's room for small things left in South Africa.
 * Several west African nations - Benin, Burkina Faso, Gambia, Guinea, and Niger, for starters - could be created, so long as canon follows what is written in the West African Union, and its members, articles.
 * There is areas of southern Libya that may hold a city-state or two... little, but maybe.
 * Note that probably half of the current articles in Africa are stubs and could use expansion.
 * Asia:
 * There is a large amount of work in India that can be done. Almost none of the breakaway states have their own articles.
 * China has some room left.
 * Afghanistan, so long as the state is small, has some room for work.
 * Central Asia, and other nearby areas, has some room for small nations.

As for North America..... Any specific region? There's a ton of room for city-states in some areas, lol.

Lordganon 23:09, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

In the US, I was thinking South or Southwest.

I think I don't want in on Asia or Africa much now that I think about it. Ownerzmcown 23:12, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that's a touch daunting, lol.

South/Southwest...... Well, for starters, is open for adoption. Kinda a lawless frontier thing in Arizona. Note that all of these are city-states - there is no room for more than that in NA, in that region anyways.

Past that, from various articles.....


 * Georgetown, as seen in other articles, in South Carolina.
 * Silver City, a haven for outlaws and the like, in New Mexico.
 * Pine Bluff and Hope in Arkansas.
 * Apalachicola, in Florida.
 * Greenville or Kannapolis in North Carolina (there's also a ton of tiny communities, if you look at the North Carolina article)
 * Darien or Toccoa in Georgia.

And some ideas from my own lists....


 * Something in the area of Stone County, Arkansas.
 * St. Joseph or Hannibal, Missouri.
 * Guymon or Bartlesville, Oklahoma.
 * Vicksburg, Mississippi.

Texas and Louisiana are full, unless you can sucker Brian into letting you edit one of his Texas ones, lol.

Hope this helps.

Lordganon 23:43, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

I notice the southern coast doesn't appear to have been hit. Ownerzmcown 00:06, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

A lot of it wasn't directly hit, but for the most part it's been established that a fair amount was effected by refugees and radiation. Truth be told, most of the intact coastline on the Gulf is already part of organized states. Apalachicola is pretty well the only one the definitely exists on the coast there.

Off hand, I can only think of one more that would survive: Gulf Shores, Alabama. Texas and Lousiana are done, Missisipi and Alabama, as things stand, hand theirs largely destroyed, and Florida is pretty well either destroyed or in North Florida (out of Gainesville)

Lordganon 07:16, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

On second though I think I'll just stick with what I've got right now. Ownerzmcown 21:40, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Why does everyone say that when I give them a list like that? lol Meh. Lordganon 00:07, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Qu'il Tous
Heh. I'd be willing to do that, though I can definitely say that you'd be the one primarily responsible for it. I do like your basic idea, mind.

We do work quite well together, after all, lol.

Lordganon 05:42, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Ownerzmcown 14:05, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

All righty. Finished the war itself, in NA. Lemme know what you think.

So, how is all of this going to work, with boundaries in NA? I've got the Americans having captured more or less all of it, with minimal French support.

Lordganon 12:46, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

I would say the Americans would probably keep all of it, with France being more concerned probably with African and Asian colonies than in North America. Ownerzmcown 21:59, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Glad to hear it. Lordganon 00:07, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

I also need a good map for Africa and North America. Ownerzmcown 01:46, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

North America I can do, readily enough. Africa, you'll need to tell me what areas would be french, in your mind.

Are you meaning a war map, mind? And what are the overall intentions towards Spanish America?

Lordganon 04:02, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Just after the war, the article says, all of Britain's African colonies were given to France, so basically just work with that. But I'm not sure on South America, either Iberia would inherit them, or France would annex them after the Peninsula campaign. Ownerzmcown 21:31, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Heh. Won't get the French much, then, unless the Brits manage to seize the Cape from the Dutch and the French get that. Until the mid-1800s no one really held much of Africa.

Considering all things Owner, otl the rebellions were already starting before the British naval losses atl happened. By the time the French secure control of the oceans to any great degree atl, things will have already begun to boil over in Spanish America. The rebellions would probably end up worse as well, because of perceived French domination and puppetry in Iberia. Past 1812, any fighting would largely be in vain, though I could see both still trying to keep much of it in Spanish hands.

Brazil would likely become independent as well, likely within days of them hearing of the surrender/capture of the Portuguese King.

Lordganon 03:53, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

I actually came up withe idea of Brazil and the rest of South America rebellion, receiving help from Mexico, and trying unsuccessfully to be defeated by France, Iberia, and the United States. Another idea I came up with would be like having a Britain and France on North and South America, in North America, it would be the US with France, and Mexico with Britain. And in South America it would be Argentina with France and Brazil with Britain. Ownerzmcown 04:07, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I honestly doubt the US would be able to help much. Nor that they would want to. Having different "client" type states is a good idea, mind - though I dont think the USA would really be one, more likely some sort of ally. But I really doubt that the French and Spanish could reconquer the area, especially when holding down all of Europe like that. Lordganon 05:31, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

A thought: I'd like for the HBC to keep their territories, for the most part. That would be a British-supported nation, easily enough. Some sort of concession as in otl with the otl borders too, but with the BC coast going to the USA. Thoughts? Lordganon 09:40, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't know what HBC and BC mean exactly. Ownerzmcown 11:45, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

HBC = Hudson's Bay Company

BC = British Columbia

Lordganon 11:55, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good, we can let the Americans get Lower and Upper Canada, and the Hudson Bay Company can keep the rest of its land. Also another idea I had was that Spain's colonies rebel, helped by Mexico and Brazil, already independent, and fight France and Iberian troops. Ownerzmcown 21:27, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

Works for me.

We can have Mexico gaining independence in 1812, with the rebellion in 1810 that started their war of independence succeeding because of Spain being more liberalized due to the situation with Napoleon there. The landowners support the rebellion, and it succeeds. Brazil becomes independent when Portugal surrenders. Mexican monarchy, Brazilian republic.

Lordganon 23:16, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good I'll get started on it tonight. Ownerzmcown 00:37, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, come to think of it, unless you want the Portuguese royal family held hostage by Napoleon, it is likely that both would end up with monarchies. A Bourbon one of some sort in Mexico in the end, mind. Lordganon 02:22, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Was about to do a map of North America, but remembered something - Florida we can assume went the US - that was basically a given, really - and the islands would stay with Iberia - but what about the boundaries of Mexico? Will they lose territory to the USA like otl? Way I figure it, that war was more or less unavoidable, as was its result. Lordganon 11:21, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Florida would defintely be given to America at the end of the war, and Mexico would just have the territory it would have pre-Mexican Cession. They will go to war with the US, but that'll come later, probably 1840's like in OTL. Ownerzmcown 13:08, February 6, 2011 (UTC)