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FIFA organization
2009 FIFA Congress - held Dec. x, in Dublin, Celtic Alliance (in conjunction w/draw for World Cup 2010)

As of the 2009 FIFA Congress, there are xx FIFA Member Associations OAFC - Oceanic/Asian Football Confederation in Asia and Oceania Aceh Afghanistan ANZC Brunei & Sarawak Cocos Islands East Timor Fidji French Republic Hawaii India (United Interim Parliament) Indonesia Japan Pakistan Papua New Guinea Phillippines Singapore Soviet Socialist Siberia Sri Lanka Tonga Vanuatu

CAF - Confederation Africaine de Football in Africa (also covers the Middle East) Algeria Assyria Cabinda Egypt Iran Kongo Kurdistan KwaXhosa Libya Madagascar New Britain New Union of South Africa Pais del Oro People's Republic of Angola Republic of Angola Seychelles Somaliland Zaire Zululand

CONCACAF - Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football in North America and the Caribbean Aroostook Alaska Bermuda Canadian Remainder Provinces Costa Rica (portion controlled by Costa Rican forces) Cuba Deseret Dinetah Dominican Republic East Caribbean Federation Haiti Mexico MSP Netherlands Antilles Nicaragua North American Union * (may split Puerto Rico Saguenay Superior Thunder Bay Victoria Virginia Wisconsin

CONMEBOL - Confederation Sudamericana de Futbol in South America Bolivia Brazil Chile Colombia Ecuador Paraguay Peru United American Republic Uruguay Venezuela

UEFA - Union of European Football Associations in Europe Aland Alpine Confederation Auvergne Bourgogne-et-Franche Comte Celtic Alliance Cleveland and Northumbia Cyprus Denmark Faroe Islands Finland Friesland Galicia Greece Greenland Iceland La Republique Poitevine Lille-et-Terres Flamande Luxembourg North Germany Norway Orleans Pays-Libres des Basques Portugal Prussia Sicily Republic Sweden Transylvania

just say great work with 2010 fifa cup--Fero 00:12, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Fero, thanks!--BrianD 00:16, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Vermont proposal
The Republic of Vermont is an American survivor nation in former New England.

As with every other state, Vermont was hit by Soviet nuclear weapons on Doomsday. Burlington, its largest city, and Montpelier, the capital, were bombed, along with Plattsburgh, New York.

The communities in the north - specifically the county capitals of Newport, and Saint Albans, along with Swanton, Highgate Center, Richford, North Troy and Morton - banded together in an informal alliance. This group made agreements with the so-called "Lawrence raiders" for medical aid and limited supplies, in exchange for being left alone.

Communities south of former Burlington and Montpelier formed a provisional state government in Windsor; representatives in fact signed the constitution of the provisional republic of Vermont in the Old Constitution House - the same site the constituion for the first Vermont Republic was signed 206 years earlier. Survivors from the bombed areas were routed to triage centers near the largest southern towns: Bennington, Brattleboro, Hartford, Rutland and Springfield. Addison, Orange, Washington and Chittenden counties were abandoned. Middlebury and Randolph were reestablished as villages in 1999, and as the radioactivity has gone down, the 'Republic of Vermont' has sent exploratory parties to examine the ruins of Montpelier, Burlington and nearby Plattsburgh. The Republic also has sent parties to salvage the granite works in Barre, hoping that it can be used as a source of revenue in the post-Doomsday world.--BrianD 01:25, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

When it comes to the Virginian and Lincolnite teams, I think they would definately have teams. Thought they would probbably not have officially been in the NFL.

Lincoln: Nebraska Cornhuskers (college fooball team "upgraded" to professional)

Virginia: West Virginia Mountaineers (same thing. more commonly known as the Virginia Mountaineers)

--Yankovic270 01:13, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Yankovic, thanks for the idea! Sorry I didn't know enough to set up the article to where you could leave a message. Anyway, my thoughts are that such a professional league is years off, because people are just now getting out of survival mode into a more-or-less pattern of living, and coast-to-coast travel is still prohibitive..although if the powers behind the various countries got behind the idea, and you had owners who could weather the travel and salary costs, I suppose the NFL could be resurrected in a few years time.--BrianD 01:25, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

One man's dream
Iron Mountain entrepreneur Elliott Gold has a room full of memorabilia from the old National Football League.

Front and center sits a jersey and helmet allegedly worn by Green Bay Packers quarterback Bart Starr, alongside other items from the Packers and other NFL teams.

Twenty-seven years after Doomsday, the league is a memory that long lives in the minds of many older Superior citizens, one of whom is Gold. And if he gets his way, the long-dead league will soon rise again.

"Like a Phoenix," Gold said.

The league is only in his mind at this point, as many as 12 teams, in survivor nations, named after former NFL and Canadian Football League franchises. A team in Superior named the Vikings. The Green Bay Packers. Aroostook Patriots. Victoria Lions, not after the franchise in Detroit but the CFL team in British Columbia. The Thunder Bay Blue Bombers. A team in the Municipal States of the Pacific, possibly named after the San Francisco 49ers or Los Angeles Rams. Teams in the Virginian Republic, Lincoln, Deseret, Canada, even in Saguenay.

And, a team in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, home of the other known NFL or CFL franchise whose city survived the war: the Saskatchewan Roughriders.

Gold knows that his dream is far-fetched and that a few important factors have to come together: large and sustained population growth, the emergence of a middle class with expendible income, transportation across the continent as easy and cheap as before the war.

But, he says, a man can dream. And dream he does. --BrianD 18:20, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Yankovic,, thanks for the idea! Sorry I didn't know enough to set up the article to where you could leave a message. Anyway, my thoughts are that such a professional league is years off, because people are just now getting out of survival mode into a more-or-less pattern of living, and coast-to-coast travel is still prohibitive..although if the powers behind the various countries got behind the idea, and you had owners who could weather the travel and salary costs, I suppose the NFL could be resurrected in a few years time.--BrianD 01:28, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

We could also have it reform piecemeal. Have a few more regional leagues set up before they reunite. And the Virginian President-General would probbably help chip in due to the fact that the sports could distract his citizens from the dictatorship. --Yankovic270 02:46, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

That's similar to how the actual NFL began (minus the dictators, of course). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League#Beginnings --BrianD 02:53, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Official policy regarding changes to articles by anonymous users
Hmm...good question. We always try to defer to the creator of the article before we make massive changes to the content. Still when an article is in a proposal phase we generally hope that the creator would be willing to make changes to it so that it does contradict canon. Sometimes of course other editors will go in and make those changes to a proposed article to get it ready to be graduated if the creator is either unable or unwilling to make them himself. As for anonymous users, well I guess it depends on what is the quality of their work? I think it is completely within your right to change it if you don't like it since the article is still a proposal. Things are a lot more fluid in that stage.

Also your welcome on Vermont, it was very good. Just to point out though I'm not the only one who can graduate articles, I just saw that DarthEinstein had moved for its graduation and since no one objected I stepped up and graduated it. Mitro 16:46, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, I just looked at the edits you were reffering to. Yes they were very unconstructive, go ahead and undo them. Mitro 16:48, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Re: Vermont, this may be the last advanced survivor state I build (unless I see a compelling reason for another such state elsewhere in the world, like Singapore). I want to be mindful of your point on another talk page about too many advanced states arising from the former U.S., especially as I flesh out my other proposals.--BrianD 16:56, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

On tap

 * Update FIFA membership additions for December world congress
 * Create pages for soccer/football and baseball
 * Raise question on talk page of whether to refer to the sport as soccer or football
 * What to do with Cave City?

Policy
We don't really have such a policy but I would suggest that you just mention on the main talk page that your article is open for adoption. Mitro 13:49, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Cave City
I thank you sir, I assure you that your work will not go in vain.--GOPZACK 19:18, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Gaelic football
Should elaborate on this for the sport by country article. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7962884.stm --BrianD 13:03, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Virginia in WCRB Report on Southern United States
You did perfectly. I never thought to have Virginia explore the neighboring states. I have no objections. In fact I am positively thrilled and delighted at this wonderful addition to my nation. Forget A+. You get A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++. --Yankovic270 22:36, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Yank! Thompson would almost certainly have done so in real life. Didn't you have Virginia meeting a Superior expedition in Ohio? Now that doesn't mean they found anybody, but if nothing else they would have been able to get an idea of what did happen to those folks.--BrianD 01:36, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

The Virginians would have annexed any small survivor states. Either by persuasion or force, it doesn't make a difference to them. --Yankovic270 02:33, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Republic of Texas
I'm considering building towards a reunification of West Texas and eastern Texas into a Republic of Texas. Please let me know if you think it's realistic, or if the two countries need to be split. They're not at war, and there's no reason for anything beyond a few eastern Texans being mad that West Texas didn't get out there sooner. Also, a unified Texas would give me an excuse to use Clint Dempsey in the timeline; he's a soccer/football player for the U.S. men's national team and for Fulham FC in England. I've established West Texas as having tremendous interest in soccer, and see its national team as influenced by the Mexican style (since many of the players are immigrants or sons of immigrants from Mexico) and a possible dark horse in the CONCACAF region. --BrianD 15:35, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

I think this realistic and I support it --GOPZACK 00:29, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

The Future of Cave City
I want to have Cave City hold a referendum on whether or not to have them join the Commonwealth of Kentucky. Is that alright with you? --GOPZACK 00:28, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm good with that. --BrianD 00:46, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * I want the Virginians to at least annex enough territory to reclaim Fort Campbell and secure it to there nation. If that means that most of Cave City goes to Kentucky, I'm fine with that. I am also planning a Virginian military expedition to the remains of the fort to clear out the dangerous cannibal gangs in the area.

--Yankovic270 01:02, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

I want to have all of Cave City up to the old tennessee Kentucky boarder along with parts of Tennessee Missouri Indiana Illinois and maybe even parts Arkansas. I would also like to see a map of all the territory the Virginian Republic has/ claims right now. --GOPZACK 01:11, November 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * You guys need to work out then who has the rights to Fort Campbell. The base is west of Cave City, which means that for Virginia to hold the area it will need the area of Kentucky, or Tennessee, that is between Virginia and Fort Campbell. Therefore, that is something you guys will have to negotiate. One solution is for Kentucky to have sovereignty over the old state of Kentucky, Virginia to have sovereignty over Tennessee, and the two sides to split the base (and remaining assets) between them. You'll also have to consider the survivor communities in both states: Cave City (and Lake Cumberland) aren't mine any longer so I can't speak for them; but the Tennessee communities I will. Portland would be interested in working with either country; Morristown might be more interested in a political alliance with Asheville but granting access through its territory in exchange for some type of aid.--BrianD 01:23, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Deleted sections on talk page
Not really, they should be archived. What page are you referring too? Mitro 15:00, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * A deletion on an editor's talk page that was subsequently undone by another editor.--BrianD 15:16, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Madison and Superior

 * Yes, those territories are the one and the same. However those territories were largely depopulated in the time after Doomsday, and many of those areas have since been reclaimed by colonists from Mackinaw City. This is a source of dispute between the Madison and its parent nation, though refereda held in those territories has consitently supported union with Superior. Madison is largely made up of its former population, though it had lost most in the gang wars in the pursuing years. Since then, there has been steady growth in regards to immigration from the West and South. Lahbas 01:56, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * I had wondered about that. Thanks for the clarification. Are you alright with Madison/Wisconsin sponsoring a Green Bay Packer football team to play in the Superior league, or should I remove that?--BrianD 01:58, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Sport in the Great Lakes

 * If you take over the creation of those sports leagues in Superior, I would be grateful. I had some plans for them, but you seem more versed in these specifics than I am. Also, I am not sure Madison would have a Green Bay Packers team, since that would be more like a political statement; rather, this team would represent the Green Bay territory. The only requirement I have for those leagues, if you don't mind adopting them, would be that Thunder Bay and the Repulic of Madison participate in these leagues. Lahbas 02:04, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Let's go ahead and flesh this out, then. There are three pro leagues - hockey, football and baseball - all initially funded by an act of Superior's Congress, correct? As Madison doesn't sponsor a Green Bay team, we can establish that there is a team there, playing somewhere in the city (perhaps a rebuilt Lambeau Field funded w/state money)? And, if you don't mind my asking, does Superior intend for these to be major league-level replacements for the NFL/MLB/NHL in some way?--BrianD 02:26, November 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, they are meant to replace the former leagues in the United States. As for the stuff you have already covered, you've already done more than even I planned. Stupidly, I had planned a massive expansion, creating seperate pages for each, in which I was going to give articles on the teams, seasons............basically an unrealistically grandiose plan. However, I like what you have done, except for maybe Stowe (I am not sure as to its size, though in the end it might remain the same, and no change will be needed). Again, you seem much more versed in these topics than I possibly could ever be. Good job. :) Lahbas 04:37, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * I went with Stowe because it was the capital, and that there would be a sufficient population due to the infrastructure needed to support the government, and businesses that help run and supply the city proper. Thanks for the compliments!--BrianD 14:49, November 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * I am thinking of expanding the Republic of Wisconsin (expansion having been made in the last four to five years) and therefore this might require the development of a regional league. Am I right on this, or would it remain largely the way it is currently set up? Lahbas 04:39, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * It will depend on if Superior is alright with adding additional teams from Wisconsin, and if they do so now, I'd assume they would allow more Wisconsin teams in. There is precedent for U.S. and Canadian teams playing in the same league (baseball's AL, NHL, and OTL NBA and MLS). The questions going forward are how many people in the city you may want to expand to? I'm assuming the markets need to be as big as the biggest cities you've listed for Superior. As long as Superior has good relations with Wisconsin and vice versa, no reason why Wisconsin wouldn't join the Superior league. Think of the OTL pro leagues in terms of U.S. and Canada vs. U.S. and Cuba. --BrianD 14:49, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Sports in Greece
Hey Brian, would you be up to adding Greece to the sports page of DD? Soccer and basketball are the most popular, and in our world rugby is expanding; I'm sure in this new world where Australia is the mover & shaker of post-Doomsday, rugby might be even more popular in the Confederation. Some sort of equestrian sport might be popular in the Confederation's North African territories.
 * Everything I've just said is pure speculation. I'd like to leave all the decision up to you.

Mr.Xeight 02:59, November 15, 2009 (UTC) I'll roll with that, Mr.Xeight, but I do defer to the wishes of each country's creator(s). I'll look at the Wikipedia entry for Greek sports and work with that, and your suggestions. Thanks!--BrianD 03:03, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

The Southern USA
Upon seeing what happened with Yank there I must say I'm very tempted to move away from working with him and more with rational thinkers. I would be deeply interested in working with you in the further development and revitalization of the Southern USA. I ask for no deadline as to when you will know what your doing, all I ask is if you are interested and when you do know what you want to do I will back you --GOPZACK 00:38, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * Zack, thanks for the kind words. I'm not looking to make enemies here with anyone, including Yank. Conflicts happen, you work through them, and you move on. I'm still not sure what I want to do in the region, though, so I'll have to get back to you on that :) --BrianD 00:59, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

And it was my fault anyway. I was just acting like an idiot. I am sorry and I hope I can continue to work with both of you. I am an idiot. I pretty much alienated one of the best allies I have in this timeline. I am of course talking to you Zack. --Yankovic270 02:47, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Look don't worry about it Yank. It's cool. --GOPZACK 03:14, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Conflit with another editor
It seems like you guys worked it out without me. If there are any more problems let me know. Mitro 02:37, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * Owen has caused problems like this in the past (if you look in the archives you might come upon his famous attempt to kick out Louisiannan). So far though he has not done anything that can get him blocked from editing, even though most of his contributions are either implausbile or too difficult to understand to be workable. I am not going to try to guess why he does things like this but if he makes an edit like the one you just described then just undo it. Mitro 16:36, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Portland Tennessee
Thank you for the kind words and well wishes I'm sure President Bunning will make an appearance there soon. I to believe Kentucky would be able to help reclaim Tennessee Perhaps if the state were to be divided into two sectors with Kentucky taking one half and Virginia the other. --GOPZACK 16:49, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Indonesia
are we talking about 1983 indonesia? maybe i start that but you are free to do wtv in there, maybe you can question the community, i am not the indonesia master emperor. Singapur is like swizerland, or caiman island, a bank country of asia, i dont know what can happen in 1983 in there--Fero 23:59, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

well done in sports--Fero 20:55, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

como siempre leer tu ingles me dar ganas de escribir en espanol para explicarte todo, fero...!! Indonesia I wrote a lot about, in conjunction with Aceh. HAve a look man... I made a DETAILED REGIONAL MAP right after making the firs world map.. you should remember thaT???--Xi&#39;Reney 22:21, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * I remember it, and I've seen it...I was looking for any info on the Singapore region I may have missed while reading the various talk pages and articles on the timeline.--BrianD 22:38, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

To-do list

 * Conaway/Ebdard Summit in Dinetah - major event
 * Work on scenario for Winter Olympics


 * help write scenario for Malaysia (a long term project)


 * Draw up World Cup 2010 schedule


 * update sports by country, colleges and universities page


 * Explore possible reunification between west and east Texas, and ramifications of such a union on the combined country and region. How much of the former state could it actually control?


 * West Texas make amends with Mexico - Conaway/Mexican President summit somewhere in January 2010, perhaps in Dinetah? Midland? Mexica?


 * Tie West Texas dollar to Mexican peso


 * West Texas and Mexico build port in Brownsville/South Padre Island region since November, for use as a port...in anticipation of trade with Mexico and other Central American and Caribbean countries


 * West Texas Congress is expected to vote on formalizing San Angelo and Waco's territorial status when it reconvenes in January 2010.


 * George W. Bush - negotiator, Mexican ambassador to West Texas


 * Possible incentives for former Americans to move back to West Texas...including W


 * Investigate Vermont's role as Switzerland of North America and all its political ramifications


 * Investigate move to extend term from 2 yrs (as Vermont governors have OTL) to 4 years (like the US President OTL) and why that is so important for Douglas to do his job as a regional leader


 * Confederation of New England establishment


 * exploration of nuked Massachusetts, Conn. and Rhode Island, plus exploration of New York City (based on FxGentleman's NBC article, it's probable that someone has already visited and explored Manhattan).

--BrianD 04:19, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

Sports of Ecuador
I'm planning on expanding Ecuador (1983: Doomsday) as soon as finals are over for me and was wondering if you would be interested in writing the section on sports? Mitro 13:41, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * You have been doing so well with the sports angle I am going to leave that entirely to you. As for Ben being on break, I will definetly let you know if I need any help. Mitro 19:52, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

OFL
I went and turned the OFL page into a redirect toward the current version and then deleted the other two redirects before it. This is the second time Owen has created an article for something that already had an article. If he does it again let me know. Mitro 19:21, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't worry.--BrianD 19:23, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Anon edits
You were right to undo the edits made to Egypt, they completely rewrote canon. As for Israel I'm not so sure if they should be reverted. I don't think we should undo anon edits outright simply because they were made by an anon. If they do contradict canon then of course they should be reverted but the anon should be told about the. But the edits to Israel didn't actual contradict anything. The section was left blank by Fx and actually seemed to coincide with Fx's idea of having a unified Israeli/Palestinian state. Mitro 15:59, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Siberian news headlines
Hey Brian, I saw that you wrote some interesting new information regarding the USSR. I like the new ideas, it's just that I would have liked to have been included, or at least told that you were going to write something new, since I have written most of the articles surrounding Siberia. But that aside, I would like to hear your plans. What does the future hold for the Khanate of Khiva, will you be writting an article?--Vladivostok 08:29, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see,thanks for clearing things up.--Vladivostok 17:32, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

NEW Hall of Fame
For your information, I will give you the green light on your little project. Feel free to use Athens as a springboard for exploring Canton.

--Yankovic270 16:53, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

ps: If this feels too RPG-ish, I apologize

LOL! De nada. Thanks for the approval. There is a potential snag I've thought about in regards to the locale: I had thought that while Virginia would give it's OK and work with Gold, it might want the football hall of fame located in Athens, recognizing the football hall of fame as a potential tourist attraction and wanting something for itself out of the deal. The two parties would eventually compromise, with Gold taking back some salvageable Packer-related memorabilia (and replicas of the busts of Packer HoF members), and Virginia taking the rest and rebuilding the HoF in its own territory, and an agreement between the two parties to exchange memorabilia on a regular basis. Thoughts?--BrianD 17:03, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Its a deal. --Yankovic270 18:21, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Yank, alright! The question now is what is salvageable in Canton? You're talking about a complex that's been derelict for the last 25 years, but you're also talking about bronze busts of former players, and artifacts behind glass and (presumably) boxed up. In other words, unless somebody burnt the place down, there could be a lot of stuff there that can be cleaned up and put back on display. I could have Mr. Gold go on his "little project" in the spring, but right now BrianD needs to read up on the Football Hall of Fame, to see exactly what's there :) --BrianD 18:27, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Americana Games
Just so you know, I chose the name Americana Games because of the fact that the European Olympics name was stylized in the exact same way. The name Americana Games to me just feels like the kind of name a sporting event of its magnitude needs. Besides, the majority of the survivor states I had invited on the 1983: Doomsday timeline consist of former American territory. --Yankovic270 16:51, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

That's fine with me; Americana invokes the United States, without actually being an American event (like OTL U.S. Olympic Trials in any number of Olympic sports).--BrianD 18:10, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

The South
I would like to work with you on making pages for the Various City-States in the former Southern United States. If of course you are interested --GOPZACK 21:00, January 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Let's do it. I saw you started Joplin; I went ahead and started Natchez. What ideas do you have in mind?BrianD 21:06, January 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * I have also started Broken Bow the place in Oklahoma. As for ideas I'm not entirely sure. One idea I had floating around in my head is some kind of confederation of city states amongst the democratic ones anyway, kind of like the League of Nations but for the South only. Some city states may also what to join the Provisional United States Government thats part of the NAU. Who knows maybe the Provisional United States Government will become a major player in the south. So how about you, any ideas? --GOPZACK 21:34, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Like the Dixie Alliance? As far as the region goes, it's the LoN and Mexico and other interested countries coming in and redeveloping the region, setting up an infrastructure to allow for eventual trade and travel between the cities and with other regions. What we need to figure out is how strongly sentiment for the (former) U.S. is down there. The South was heavily patriotic (despite the abundance of Rebel flags in certain parts). I could see people moving on, but, in the South and out in the heartland, I can't see people completely moving on and forgetting the U.S. The CRUSA would realize that, too.--BrianD 00:59, January 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * I really hate the Dixie alliance idea. What it says, what it implies and all. I just don't see the democratic city states or nations like Kentucky wanting to join confederate sounding alliance. I agree we should determine what the sentiment is for the (former) U.S. I think there is a good chance they would like to form a new USA or just continue the US as it was before Doomsday. --GOPZACK 02:36, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

The older people might be interested, I think. The question is are the younger people more attached to Piedmont or the USA? West Texas or the US? Kentucky or the US? Other editors on the Wiki have raised the same question before, and their consensus has always been people would be more attached to their new country. But the question of whether they'd want to restore the USA is sound, especially given in TTL no one has heard from many of these states until recently (or have yet to hear from them).--BrianD 02:42, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Another thought on the newly discovered states: they've been isolated from the rest of the world for, what, 26 years? They knew of themselves, and other nations that happened to be next door. They had themselves, their memories and whatever history books were in the library. An entire generation grew up as Piedmontians, Texans, Portlanders, Virginians, Vermonters, Superiorians, etc. Only in the past few years - if not the past few months - have these nations discovered a whole new world beyond their own. So they're going to be adapting to that. As the LoN, the Mexicans and their American refugee citizens, and other nations come in and build infrastructure, these countries are going to eventually get the same level of technology they had before the bombs went off. Infrastructure will also include roads and highways, and railroads; this will lead to trade, and travel. The world will eventually come to them, so these nations will be learning how to integrate into the North American community of nations (for lack of a better term). I can't imagine why several of them wouldn't want to band together, especially with the most powerful nation in the region (Mexico) and the "new UN" (LoN) helping them and backing them up in case of aggression from a rogue state. I do believe the American question will have to be settled, and not just for the southern nation-states, but the newly discovered and to-be-discovered survivor communities out West, in the midwest, southwest and even the northeast.BrianD 07:19, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not crazy about the name Dixie Alliance, either. I tried to explain that there would be great resistance to the alliance out of a perception of its affiliation with the Confederacy or as a continuation of the Confederacy. But the idea of an alliance of nations with a common heritage (USA, they're in the same region) - especially since many of these countries' leaders would remember life in the US pre-DD - would be attractive, I think.BrianD 07:24, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with what your saying Brian. We should raise the America Question sooner rather ten later. For now we should just establish the backgrounds of these various cites states & what their views on the old USA are. --GOPZACK 21:14, January 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Most importantly, who are these nations and how did they survive to 2010. BrianD 15:58, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Going back to an alliance in south I could see some type of alliance between Kentucky, Hot Springs, Cape Girardeau and Joplin. Kentucky is expanding North, South and West. With their expansion west they have came into contact with Cape Girardeau and essentially control the areas around them and are setting up outposts. Through Cape Girardeau Joplin and Hot Springs have leaned of this fully functional nation just to their west that upholds the values of America. That would give the LoN peace of mind should an alliance forms because it follows their mandate of upholding the values for democracy that the US represented. I can't see these city states maintaining the status quo. Like Cave City a ex-city state, there was Kentucky a nation to the north that upheld American values since it's founding and offered assistance to the citizens. Such an event like that has happened and will in all likelihood happen again. I was wondering what your thoughts were. --GOPZACK 21:24, January 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Regional alliances like you are talking about make sense, Zack. Perhaps, in 10 or 20 years or so, they would merge with other alliances into one giant alliance, or country. Kentucky leading this effort makes sense, as it is the "power" and the other three states would benefit more from an alliance than to keep to themselves. Also, the three states have a shared history between them.BrianD 23:22, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

With your blessing seeing as your the Sultan of the South I have devised the following plan: finish Joplin & get it graduated, then start Hot Springs & graduate that finally I will begin to lay the frame work for an alliance between the four. So long as you don't object I'd like to implement the plan GOPZACK 03:12, January 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Go for it.BrianD 03:16, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

This a tentative map I have made for the future alliance, it shows Kentucky Joplin. Hot springs Cape Girardeau & Broken Bow as they stand now. The dark green is new territory that would be acquired in order to complete the alliance. GOPZACK 20:24, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

Since Viginia and Kentucky pretty much have an alliance allready, any such alliance between the citystates and Knetucky would naturally include Virgnia. And I thought up the name "Dixie Alliance" because I thought it represented the deep south region well. If you can figure out a better name, I'm all ears.

Yankovic270 21:33, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

I can defiantly see a regional alliance between Virginia & Kentucky, but with that said I don't see one involving Kentucky Virginia and the city-states for three reasons. For one the people of Joplin, Cape Girardeau, Broken Bow & Hot Springs all are rather weary about Virginia because they were a military dictatorship until very recently where as Kentucky has always been a democracy. Secondly Kentucky discovered Joplin, Cape Girardeau, Broken Bow & Hot Springs and assisted the LoN introduce them to the world. Thirdly like Brian said a large alliance is a good 10-20 years off. GOPZACK 20:20, January 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yank, what possible problem would Virginia have with an ally making alliances with other city states in Missouri and Arkansas???BrianD 20:50, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

Anywho I'm just curious as to what feedback you have on the map, of course it is rough and needs to be touched up a bit but I think it gives an accurate idea of what could possibly be. Also while studying the map it occurred to me that Texas and Kentucky may very well link up in the near future, I could see a trade deal of sorts coming down the pike, how about you? GOPZACK 21:37, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

It looks fine to me. How well Kentucky can govern that much territory might be a question; then again, the US was governing vast portions of the West in the 19th century. Official relations with Texas can happen now, but trade will be far off, maybe by 2015. BrianD 22:41, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

So I'm just about done with Broken Bow and my next big project to tackle is Hot Springs. I would like to know what ideas you had for the area aside from what is in the report on the south you created. Thank you for your input! GOPZACK 07:23, February 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * None, really (but maybe my mind is blank on the subject at the moment). I like your ideas regarding the alliance among the Arkansas/Oklahoma/Missouri communities, though I would pay attention to what everyone else is commenting on the subject. Realism. Anyway, I think I wrote that Hot Springs overthrew a bunch of racist warlords with the help of Joplin. Now Joplin is 200 miles away, but that doesn't preclude there being people from Joplin who could help the Hot Springs resistance craft a strategy to overthrow the warlords. Probably former military people w/combat experience. Hot Springs probably was stable enough to form a regional government, warlords (or whatever their equivalents would be in Arkansas) rose up, took over at least part of the town, and the resistance fought them and defeated them. Write it up and we'll see how it looks. BrianD 07:32, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

SO thus far I have written up to the first racist government getting overthrown with help from Joplin advisors and a small contingent of troops. I also had a thought about the towns of Hope and Prescott. I believe Texarkana was blown sky high but I doubt they would be struck with a powerful warhead. If it is possible for some type of small city states to form in Hope and Prescott where Hope would be an anti slavery community with Prescott being a proslavery one. Eventually Hope and Hot Springs would liberate Prescott from the racist warlords there eliminating most of the threat from warlords in Arkansas. What are your thoughts on that?GOPZACK 00:03, February 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's fine if you wish to explore that. I don't have much time right now to check the Texarkana area for potential targets. A lot would ride on any military and economic targets the Soviets wanted to take out. http://www.survivalring.org/cd-targets.php might help you, but don't think of it as absolute canon. Another thing to consider is Hope and Prescott are like 10 miles northeast of the city; how much fallout and aftereffects from the blast would affect them obviously depends on the yield and wind patterns that night. BrianD 00:17, February 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * I will say what I said on another talkpage. To me the word "Dixie" is the old romantic nickname for the region, and it makes me visualize the good ol' down-home country charm that is the true spirit of the region. Discrimination exists everywhere, but this charm only exists south of the Mason-Dixon line. Sorry if I sound like a public relations commercial for the region, but thats just how I feel.


 * Yankovic270 03:13, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

My talk
Hi, Brian. I noticed you just deleted large sections of my talk page. Why is that? (I'm not trying to accuse, but genuinely asking: maybe I'm missing something.) Benkarnell 23:23, January 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * I didn't, not intentionally! I did try to leave a message there earlier today in regards to the anon user on Owen's page. BrianD 23:25, January 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I wasn't upset, no need to apologize! Sometimes I do miss things (I was an admin for a month before I realized it, actually), and I didn't know if there was some reason. Mitro's left a note on the anon's talk page and protected Owen's, so hopefully there'll be no more tampering. Benkarnell 23:45, January 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah apparently Owen has told the Wikia people we are "bullying" him. This guy saw it and wanted to say he supports us, but he is not a member of the Wikia staff. Mitro 00:26, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I decided to do a little snooping and it seems that Owen used the same username on Central Wiki. It's funny but someone copied the main page from one of his wikis and when he found out, he said if it's done again, there will be consquences. Doesn't seem that he reported us for bullying, unless you used a difference username. Maybe this user is a "sock" or whatever I saw Ben refer to it to of Owen's. Mr.Xeight 01:56, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

is it me or has Owen become really unpleasent recently? --HAD 16:12, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Mexico (some other ideas)
Hi there, I put some other ideas on the talk page of Mexico. JorgeGG 14:30, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

East Tennessee talkpage
Thank you Brian! What you said on the talkpage was exactly what I have been trying to tell everyone but nooooooo. Basically every user on '83 DD thinks of the Virginian as gun-happy, land-hungry, evil fascists. The article states that the martial efficiency of this state, coupled with the unusual punishment of hard labour even if the terrain was radioactive, allowed this state the fastest economic recovery in North America. The people enjoy an early twentieth century lifestyle on a continent where living conditions are commonly at eighteenth century levels.Virginian is at least one of the most financially and politically stable nations in the former US east of the Mississippi. I am grateful that my work is appreciated by anyone on the wiki. I am, of course, not seeking to argue with you. I am simply explaining what I imagine to be the situation as of late. And I think that alternate history is a person's imagination backed up by research.

Yankovic270 23:52, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism
Thanks for the info. The anon has been blocked. Mitro 21:12, February 19, 2010 (UTC)