User talk:Imperium Guy

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Let's say you wanted to use green. To show how it works:

{{Navbox |name  = Hindustani Raj |titlestyle = background:#008000;color:#000000; |groupstyle = background:#008000;color:#000000; |title =  Hindustani Raj . ..

This might be a little confusing, but I'll summarize it the best I can. The "titlestyle" is the colour of the top bar, the title bar. The "groupstyle" is the colour of the groups (in your case, the "history, nations and culture, extras", those boxes would become green). The "background" code changes the colour of the bar. The "colour" code changes the colour of the words. It would then look like:

{{Navbox }}
 * name  = Hindustani Raj
 * titlestyle = background:#008000;color:#000000;
 * groupstyle = background:#008000;color:#000000;
 * title = Hindustani Raj
 * image = Vikramaditya.jpg
 * group1 = History
 * list1 = Timeline • Wars • Independence Wars
 * group2 = Nations and Culture
 * list2 = Nations • India • Languages
 * group3 = Extras
 * list3 = People • Flags • Maps

Of course, this colour may make the title hard to read. If you have a link in the title bar, you can do this:

Hindustani Raj

is for the colour black, so if you copy that to your infobox, the title will be black and still be clickable.

Also, if you just want to change the title bar colour and not the other bars, just make the groupstyle background code.

If something isn't clear, just let me know. Good luck! ChrisL123 23:00, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

The Greater Americas Continued
Hello, sorry to bother you again, but I think I might have to go to war over Japan. Knowing that the other player is both your ally and apparently your friend, I just want to know your opinon on this conflict before I do something that I might regret. Monster Pumpkin 22:24, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

About the Japanese Colony, isn't the agreement for Japan that I own all of it, but I cannot do anything with it without Vulktarn's approval? If so should japan be all Inca instead of divided? Monster Pumpkin 21:48, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Now that I am a mod, does that mean I also have control of natural/artificial events as long as I am fair? Monster Pumpkin 03:03, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

The change of edit you just made said that I got attacked because I didn't explore, but it says I explored the area a year before, not to mention I conquered it with an army. Can you just clear this up for me? Also, as a mod I can now create events as well, right? Monster Pumpkin 21:08, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Yunnan (1983: Doomsday)
All things considered, I think I have to politely refuse your suggested changes. As Vlad says the insane "North Korea-ness" of the nation is what makes it interesting. It's a somewhat unique angle in the Doomsday timeline, as even the Koreans have set aside their differences. It's like how I chose to name the Lithuanian state I created the "Grand Duchy of Lithuania" rather than the "Kingdom of Lithuania" as someone suggested on Deviantart, or the "Republic of Lithuania". There were (and still are) legions of kingdoms and republics, but there's only one Grand Duchy.

Yank 23:53, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

I'd be willing to allow you to modify the article to show the transformation from a Maoist communist nation to a nation of uber-paranoid North Korean-wannabes.

Yank 22:21, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Alright it was a bit fast, but I will get revenge! :) But as a mod, I control events as long as they are fair, right? Monster Pumpkin 21:28, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

sorry
sorry but i first thought of it i was with joe Galleth Grimsnak 11:48, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

TGN
Of course it is! The Greenland SSR will become Donskoya after the Soviet Union's collapse. :-) Godfrey Raphael 13:57, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

The Russian Commonwealth sounds good, although what I had in mind was something like the OTL Commonwealth of Indepedent States. But maybe we can merge our ideas and work something out. Cheers! Godfrey Raphael 14:10, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Uh, Imp, why are there now two bears on Romanova's flag? Godfrey Raphael 06:14, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, okay. Thanks for clearing that up. :-D Godfrey Raphael 12:25, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

What?
What did i remove? I thought that was Rowan!!! FP 14:23, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Wha...? btw: Can you get me a map for At 'Ayn Jalut? You can help with the timeline if you want. The year for the map is 1300, but you better read the page so you know the differences from OTL. FP 14:29, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, ye, do you want to join Oh, What Happened To Our Lovely Planet? FP 14:30, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks FP 14:33, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Does it have mongols on it? If it does, put it on my talk page. FP 14:41, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

What quality is it? FP 14:41, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Can i see it? FP 14:50, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Looks good. It will need a bit of editing though. I have to go soon so i might not reply. FP 14:54, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Transparent CoA
Aha, yeah I saw, it looks really nice. And no problem, if I haven't said that before. And about the CoA, I actually haven't learned how to make objects transparent, but if you like I could render it into SVG. The way I could do that, though, is if you tell me the parts of the CoA you used to make this one (the bear I know where to find, the hearts I should know, but that actual coat of the CoA I'm not sure where it's from). Just let me know and it should take less than a day to make it into SVG. ChrisL123 03:28, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, I found them. Here's the file in SVG with no background. But I'm not sure where the crown atop the bear's head is, so I just left it out. If you could find where it's from then I can add it in. Enjoy! ChrisL123 23:04, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see what you're saying. Alright, fixed. Enjoy! ChrisL123 20:23, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

The GA
Not sure about the uniting india. Maybe just east and north. I would like the south for muself and i dont want war, but i dont think the locals will be friendly and agree to land negotiantions. FP 22:40, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, it was in the GA section so i just assumed it was. Yes, thats a good idea, but that has to happen during the POD, because the military advance stops and the Indians have no reason to be scared. FP 10:04, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Tasmania
To be fair I had set my mind on Tasmania and its tigers, but perhaps we could come to a deal if you have something I want. I also recently acquired Taiwan, if the deal I have in mind for it doesn't work out you can have it. :) Monster Pumpkin 20:18, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Well, my goal at the beginning of the game was to control Europe, parts of the Middle East, Tasmania, Japan, and the Andes. I'm not hunting the tigers, just really researching them and the other strange wildlife there. Perhaps we could have a joint occupation like with Japan, but that might have to wait. Monster Pumpkin 20:31, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

1983: Doomsday
I would like to add a nation or two to 1983 Doomsday but I don't know how to and since it seems like the wikia's most important article I want to make sure I do it right. Also, if you have any suggestions on what areas are untaken that would be great. :) Monster Pumpkin 20:35, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

This might be difficult, but preferably in Europe or the Americas. Now that I think of it, is Central Asia taken? Also, why do you end almost all of your posts with :D? Monster Pumpkin 20:39, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

WHAT!?!?!?!
Wut did i do?Galleth Grimsnak 21:23, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

i updaTED IT and plz dont edit land masses like th island i was making because if you found out its a smiley face but it wasnt the design its meant to be cus you edited it but you can edit the map again i guess so go put your name back up there buddy.Galleth Grimsnak 21:34, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

P.S. i didnt realize you colonized on the island that i took away from you untill i looked at your updated version but its your again :D

2 things: first: i didn't know you were going to edit it

second:(lol the second is all alone on this line) it was gonna be a surprise :D

Re;Indochina
What map game are you talking about? RandomWriterGuy 01:03, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Muisca
Um, I could give Antillia the rest of the land, but I am just wondering, why? Monster Pumpkin 20:17, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Well, those are good reasons. I might just take a little more, but probably not.

About Doomsday: Central Asia was mostly taken up, and I don't really have many other ideas. I might look at Southern Russia/Northern Georgia. Monster Pumpkin 20:27, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Doomsday: It seems that everytime I think of a place that I could create a country there, its already been taken. Also, do stubs count as adoptable articles? Monster Pumpkin 20:41, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

I think I finally found a place, but what do I do next? Do I create the article and put the proposal thing on the page, or message LordGanon first? Monster Pumpkin 20:54, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Map
I got the map from alternatehistory.com here is a link-LETS A GO! Scandinator (talk) 05:14, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Template
Imp, just add it to the articles, lol. Well.... not the Siberian ones, but the rest, sure. Lordganon 12:08, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

O,WHTOLP Map
Uh, Imp, you forgot. :-) Godfrey Raphael 13:41, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Godfrey Raphael 13:58, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Teh test is on heart and lungs and bood and stuff. FP 14:33, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Nah, i think he's had quite enough. This time we should not look at him at all ;) FP 14:40, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

A'AJ
How do you put links to a page that dosent exist? FP 15:22, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I've just finished the main page for At 'Ayn Jalut. You can help with some of the nations if you want or the timeline. FP 15:28, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Can you get rid of the under construction template because whenever i try to it brings up changes from ages ago and i lose half the page. FP 15:30, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

India unite in 1307. FP 15:31, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Should I make the list of nations before the timeline? FP 15:36, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Just the list, not the info on each nation. If not, im going to need your help on the timeline. FP 15:47, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Ok. So which one first, time line or list of nations. Timeline I guess. FP 15:57, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

1983: DD Article
Now I realize this might be a little much, but could you look at my DD article and find any flaws? i already know that the proposed capital was nuked. Thanks. Monster Pumpkin 22:21, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for looking at that. Did you find anything that contradicts canon? It also has been updated. Monster Pumpkin 22:53, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Tamil Nadu
Yep, sorry, I will update Tamil Nadu ASAP. I don't want to make any major edits yet, but I'm formulating something. I'll post it on the talk page in a moment. xD GunsnadGlory 22:33, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

No on all counts. The SAC was pretty clear, lol.

As things stand right now, the UIP would likely lose in such a Pakistani war, though not in any real harmful way. While they would have numbers overall, they still need a ton of troops elsewhere.

Lordganon 00:21, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

So the Coalition thing... is that a yes or a no? I wasn't quite sure but it seems pretty likely. After all, even with the SAC... the ANZC could probably make up any supplies missed, or so the UIP would think.

Thoughts? GunsnadGlory 19:38, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

That can be easily solved. The Confederacy is so loose it's not even funny, only if the UIP declares war on them will they unite. They can even declare war on each other (warning: not recommended), and they wont be stopped!! GunsnadGlory 19:55, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Love the map, Imp. Only one suggestion- put the UIP, Pakistan, Khalistan, and the Eastern Remanants in Grey (though make sure the borders are visible), as this is a map of ALL India, right? GunsnadGlory 22:00, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm ok, fine then. Pass it by LG, too. GunsnadGlory 23:59, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Axis vs Allies:Reloaded
Do you want to join this map game? If so, there a few things to follow:

First of all, I will promise Indian will be independent next year, allowing you to take the country and direct it on your own. Second, Britain is strongly anti-Communist, and is part of the anti-Communist organization the Axis. I strongly beg you to get India to join it. Third of all, WW2 has started, so hopefully, you should support TIbet against Japan and hopefully defedn yourself against the Soviets.

Good? RandomWriterGuy 05:19, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Got it. RandomWriterGuy 20:59, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe, but I plan for India to be a republic.

For the Nueva Granada thing, where did you get that? RandomWriterGuy 23:37, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

India's independent. You can now play. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D RandomWriterGuy 18:15, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

I Have A New Timeline!
My timeline is called A Socialist World, where the Bolsheviks never become important and the Russian Civil War is between Tsarist and Republicans, which eventauly lead to c ompromise that creates a consitutional monarchy in Russia and has Trotsky promoting oscialism through democratic means, making it much more apealing to the people of the world and especialy Europe, Africa, Asia, and Latin America. I m not to far yet, but I have the main POD part of the timeline done.

check it out,

DeanSims 15:38, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

so you mean have benito and catherine give birth to vladmir and joseph stalin? DeanSims 15:48, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

ps: kind of a wierd concept, if you think about, there alternate selfs getting married and giving birth tro them. DeanSims 15:48, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

they did DeanSims 15:53, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

sorry about that, i guess it wasnt clear in the Timeline. check out greater americas. and in my states of america revised adn reoloaded, Hindustan has just frmed, so you can take over theat country and another one if you want. we need more players for the game, so please conseder it. DeanSims 15:58, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Firefoms
What exactly is a firefom? I googled it and got "did you mean firefox?" And Dictionary.com has no results.Oerwinde 21:55, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

A sphere of influence, I think. Not quite sure though thats what I think it means.

Firef''orms maybe? GunsnadGlory 00:06, February 20, 2012 (UTC) ''

Think Before You Act Hindustan Flags
That's pretty nice actually. But, I will have to go on the one from the top because it's the original flag. Only color difference. TANK U SO MUCH!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D RandomWriterGuy 16:36, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

I would like to ask you one thing: do you want to work on the Hindustani article for me? (if you say yes, I will give you the details on what you're to do) RandomWriterGuy 20:19, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Alright here's the info to know: here's the history of the country: After the Second Napoleonic Wars in 1823, a part of the United Kingdom govenrment flees to the British East India Company lands there along with massive refugees from England. The British East India Co. is transformed by the government into the British Raj. In 1833, the new country expanded to claim all of the Indian subcontinent under its rule using war and diplomacy. By 1851, the whole subcontinent was under British Raj rule. (learn more by going to the British Raj page of the TL).

During this time, British Raj became a mighty industrial nation in Asia, Border disputes with Persia made them bitter enemies. A new race known as the Misrajatis was born by the intermarring of British whites and Indians. However, white and Misrajati spremacy rule over India led to discontent on the natives, who launched the Sepoy Revolution from 1861-1862. By the end, the British Raj rule ended, with the new coutnry of Hindustan arising from the ashes, The government and the people brutally perescuted the Misrajatis and British whites, who fled from the country into different areas.

Because Persia supported the Sepoy Revolution against the British Raj, Persia (now Persia-Arabia) and Hindustan were now allies. Border disputes from China and its imperial aggression led to the Central Asian Border Wars between China and Persia-Arabia/Hindustan (and numerous separatist group allies from Chinese lands). Sadly for them, this led to defeat and the annexation of territory from China. Despite the defeat, Hindustan managed to open his country to foreign trade and investment, allowing economic growth in the country. After its defeat in the Central Asian Border War, it has declare neutrality from any armed conflict. It is one of the economic powers of the world as a democracy.

Now you get the history, here's what I suggest you work on: I really believe that demographics, the economy, and politics would do good. If you're good at making maps, tell me so you can make the map for the country. The territories of the country include OTL India, OTL Bangladesh, OTL Maldives, and OTL Pakistan (except Kashmir, Sikkim, Arunachal Pradesh, Himachal Pradesh, and Jammu). Iranian Bluchistan and Pashtunistan (the region in OTL Afghanistan) are part of the country.

That's it. Enjoy! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

RandomWriterGuy 20:42, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

When Hindustan lost the war with China, that region was lost to China. RandomWriterGuy 20:47, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Fine. RandomWriterGuy 20:54, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the edit. However, I am going to revamp the TL because I changed the POD, so I might be afraid that the map may no longer be needed. And thanks for the template too. How do you make those? RandomWriterGuy 17:42, February 23, 2012 (UTC).

Thanks for the info. Btw, the reason changes are going on is because I realized the POD was too ASB. I also knew that Napoleon will never eventually rule all of Europe. I made a drastic change in the POD that would hopefully make things more plausible.

The POD is that instead of invading Spain, Napoleon arranges a marriage between Isabella of Spain and Joseph Bonaparte of France. The marriage is successful, allowing the French and Spanish kingdoms to unite. This would set of a chain of events that would lead to French dominance in Europe. (though it would not lead to France ruling ALL of Europe).

What do you think of the POD? RandomWriterGuy 17:54, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

SM
No, I don't think Urdu will be a language. It will just be Hindi since there's no Muslims to establish Urdu. Although a Zoroastrian version of Gujarati might exist.

I'm not sure about colonisation just yet, but western India, although will remain mostly Hindo-Buddhist, is also pressured by the Parsi and Persian empires, so there might still be differences in religion, although rather minor. A Hindo-Zoroastrian version of the Mughal Empire, led by rajputs, will shortly exist I think although I'm not too sure.

I think that's it. Thank you for liking the map, lol. Fed (talk) 22:10, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

I finally Edited! WOOP. 2.126.174.6 16:54, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Okay
I'll follow your aloiance. Howevver, does Indonesia have a plaer? Thailand? RandomWriterGuy 20:11, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

The Greater Americas and stuff
Hi. Could you not advance the next turn in the greater americas tomorrow, as I have a special event planned that will affect almost everyone. Also, noting your interest in India, you could create a proposal article for India in my timeline if you want. :) Monster Pumpkin 20:37, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Star Trek
Mostly in the middle. Not bad, but don't know much. :l RandomWriterGuy 21:38, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Good idea maybe. RandomWriterGuy 21:42, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Avaro
You left me a message about unconditional surrender. However, it looks like it was intended for Russia, and not Poland. Please correct me if I am wrong. --TacoCopper 22:17, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Lol, its okay. I started thinking for a minute that you were talking about that revolution game and that someone invaded me before I could check on my nation.--TacoCopper 22:31, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

I won't declear war on them, as long at they don't take anything else. I was hoping that I could keep the Baltics, but I just want the Soviets out of my nation. I don't think they are invading, just trying to protect the communists, so I don't think they should be gaining land. --TacoCopper 22:43, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, after the civil war is over, we get them out of Poland. I am in a better position to kick them out then.--TacoCopper 22:55, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Okay. I'll occupy it the next year.Enclavehunter 23:04, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

AvAro Russia
um...no Id on not agree to silly terms, I was participating merely in bombings in early stages and I did say that I will use nuclear weapons if I need to survive, and those terms are just...how can I put this, pretianing to JApan, who is staying out of the war and a CNAT member, Germany, who is neutral, and I cant control actios of Poland, and Finaland isnt in a war with me...why would I scede them territory??? the last actions I did was repulse Greeks from Ukraine.-Lx (leave me a message) 03:18, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Images
I'm afraid not. If you want something deleted, just add the tag and it'll get taken care of. Lordganon 02:34, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Avaro South Africa
Which nation wants the lands? RandomWriterGuy 03:11, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

ROJ Diplomacy
Okay, only if you promise that the PRC will join ROJ and the buffer will eventually become RAJ too. Swollow 16:30, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Avaro China
I'm actually giving the whole thing to the ROC. This is what I promised for weeks. RandomWriterGuy 18:36, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

TBYA TL Section
But what about the Irish famine? That occured in the 1840's. It was also a cause for unrest in the island as well. For Afghanistan, that was the same thing the British did in OTL, so I though I added that. French India is actually inspired by FTBW TL when France managed to gain Britain's Western Indian territories. The reason for this is because when France invades Scotland, the British would have to do anything to get the French out. So I thought France would take over Western India. For the British India thing, no way because the French were able to conquer Indochina. However, I do believe they may conquer Thailand to counter British influence in South Asia.

I will expect counterexamples so if you think I'm wrong, tell me.

RandomWriterGuy 19:39, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Well, the British army is much weaker than the French army. And as an fyi, the French needed to find a weak spot in the United Kingdom. Surely England's too hard to invade but go the other way and go to Scotland? Much easier. For India, well there is no way Britain will conquer anything past Burma east. There are also reasons the Sepoy Mutiny occured. However, for everything else for Afghanistan and the controller of India, that will be acceptible.

What is your view for Ireland as well after what I told you?

RandomWriterGuy 22:24, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for coming in, but what have you thought? RandomWriterGuy

Ofr the Biritsh navy. First of all, the British navy will be mostly focused on the United States (90%), leaving some areas in the home isles unguarded. Napoleon would take the chance and invade the isles at its weakest point: Scotland.

For Ireland, both sides wanted independence. After the First great War, all of Ireland will be independent, yet I will add the part of the religious unrest in the northern region. RandomWriterGuy 22:44, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

B ut the French have the best army. They could beat back the Scots. They just have to launch their invasion in Norway, one of France's allies. RandomWriterGuy 23:01, March 1, 2012 (UTC) <!--I have updated the TL, here it is:


 * 1808: (POD) Joseph of France and Isabella of Spain marry each other. This causes the kingdom of Spain to be incorperated into France; Portuguese War, Napoleon defeats Portugal in the Battle of Portugal (the war's only battle), forcing Portugal to surrender and sign the Treaty of Lisbon, which forces Portugal to give up its colonial empire in all places except Angola and Mocambique and to be split into Alentejo and the rump state of Portugal
 * 1809: War of the Fifth Coalition, Napoleon triumphs over Britain and Austria (and numerous other nations) which forces them to sign the Treaty of Schonbrunn which has the same terms like OTL and no other differences; Prussia declares war on France causing the Prussian War, which leads to Prussian defeat and the Treaty of Berlin, which forces Prussia to give Berlin to the Rhine Confederation, end all hostilities with France, and pay 50 million Francs; (POD) Russia threatens war on France, but Napoleon, knowing that Russia is too large to invade, issues the St. Petersburg Accords, which fortunatly settle tensions with both countries and establish an alliance
 * 1810: Napoleon offers King George III of Britain a total cease fire in the London Accords, as he feels that he has conquered enough, and Britain would be too hard to defeat or invade due to naval superiority; Napoleon begins rebuilding at home, he establishes the Imperial Act that begin economic growth in the French Empire and its puppets
 * 1811: Due to protests in French Latin America, Napoleon signs the Havanna Agreement with French Latin American colonies, which allow the colonies to have semi-autonomous rule and certain other rights; the Havanna Plan is enacted by Napoleon, which allows economic development in French America
 * 1812: War of 1812 begins between Britain (and its Amerindian allies) and the United States, France declares support to the Americans and sends them aid to help fend off the British; French Reconquest of Haiti, the French manage to take back Haiti into the empire after years of independence, however, Napoleon reluctantly agrees to end slavery to appease the black people in its empire
 * 1813: French Invasion of Scotland, while most of the British army and navy is off to fight the Americans, Napoleon attacks the British at Scotland, their weakpoint, leading to an invasion there; due to fears of the mighty French power and the lasting influence of the French Revolution in Russia, Alexander I enacts the Alexander Plan, which is based off of the French Imperial Plan, but also enacts expansion into Central Asia and political reforms as well including the end of serfom, which would be the basis for democratic progress in Russia; the Americans defeat Tecumseh at the Battle of Tippecanoe
 * 1814: Britain sues for peace due to the high cost of fighting the war in America and their home isles and is forced to sign the Treaty of Paris, which gives America all of Canada and France its Carribean, and West African colonies, it also has to give up Western Australia, the East Indies (formerly Ducth before Napoleon's conquest of the Netehrlands forced Britain to take control of it) and Guyana (originally Ducth, taken over by Britain after the War of the Fifth Coalition) to France and all French teritories taken from France during the Napoleonic Wars, Britain also is forced to pay 300 miilion USD and 300 million Francs, Britain also gives up most of its navy to France and its naval warfare tactics, it also gives France its industrial technologies, while France gives the Guyanas as a reward for America's victory against Britain; due to the weakening grip in Florida, Napoleon sells it to America for $10 million USD
 * 1815: Panic of 1815 occurs in Britain due to the loss in the War of 1812 and the loss of markets in Europe to sell its goods, causing numerous riots across the country, which later spreads to America and Europe, though it does not do much due to the rising economic reliability of French goods; France and America sign the Monroe-Napoleon Treaty, which set an offical boundry between French New Spain and the United States (the same boundry as the OTL Adams-Onis Treaty)
 * 1816: The Second Industrial Revolution (first one began in England) begins in the French Rhine Region, where a combination of British industrial technologies and the growing economy lead to rise of France from a agrarian country to a mighty industrial power, replacing the British in the economic competition and the increased reliance of French goods
 * 1817: French control in most of the American continents spurs Alexander to encourage settlement in the colony of Alaska in the Alaskan Act; France incoperates its Italian lands into the French puppet of Italy, made out of the puppets of Italy, Naples, and the Italian lands from Switzerland, Austria, and to a smaller degree, France; the French Railway, a railway system connecting the mainland French Empire and its puppets, begins construction
 * 1818: Inspired by the French Imperial Plan and the Russian Alexander Plan, James Monroe enacts the American Plan, which aims for the very same goals ats the two plans: economic growth and development; Napoleon and James establish trade agreements, including French assistence in the American Plan; the French fleet land in Algiers, whose sultan agrees to be a French protectorate in exchange for access to French goods and opening its markets to France
 * 1819: France expands its control around North Africa, annexing Morrocco and Tunisia as protectorates in exchange for opening its markets to France and access to French goods, other French colonies are established in Mauritania, Guinea, the Niger delta region, and the Senegal river region; Denmark-Norway declares war on Sweden, with French and Russian support, the Danish-Norweigns begin to take over Sweden, while Prussia supports Sweden, which leads to the Scandinavian War
 * 1820: Inspired by French Nationalism, the Greeks rebel for independence, who are supported by numerous European nations, which soon inspire future revolts in the Turkish Balkans; Francis I of Hungary enacts the Hungarian Plan, which like all the other economic plans of Russia, France, and America, aim for economic growth and independence, yet this is checked by French economical influence; King Goerge II of Britain dies, leaving Prince George IV of Wales the heir to the throne, who promises to end the French Empire forever; the colony of Liberia is founded by American blacks and whites, who used it as a haven for escape slaves, and would later become America's African colony; the Missouri Act is passed in America to settle the slavery issue (only temporarily)
 * 1821: The French officially establish control of the French East Indies, formerly rule by the Dutch, which was met with opposition from the Dutch settlers, who set up their own countries in other parts of OTL South Africa and OTL Indonesia; settlements in Australia and New Zealand to counter the growing colony of French Western Australia; Sweden officially falls to Russian-French-Dano-Norweigan forces, the Treaty of Copenhagen gives Denmark-Norway and Russia their land, Finland goes to Russia and the rest goes to Denmark, Prussia is split between the Confederation of the Rhine and Poland with the southern half going to the Rhine Confederation and the northern half going to Poland, the war allows French relations and influence with Denmark-Norway and Russia to improve
 * 1822: Napoleon declares war on the Ottoman Empire to seize its remaining North African territories, which spurs Russia to do the same thing; French settlers immigrate to colonies worldwide as encouraged by Napoleon to increase French control of them; Indochina is settled by the French, with settlers and officials from the French Philippines; the Ottoman War inspires the Balkan peoples to rise up in what would become the Balkan Revolution
 * 1823: Numerous cities across the Nile Delta are now in French control such as Alexandria and Cairo while most areas in the Caucasus are now held by the Russians while numerous rebellions by the Balkan peoples began to depose Ottoman governmental officials; Napoleon announces the German Union Act, which will allow alll of the German states to form a stronger union, which was enacted concerned of the lack of unity in some degree; the Greeks eventually gain their independence by the Treaty of Athens, and are ruled by Louis I, a relative of Napoleon
 * 1824: Napoleon makes a visit to the United States, who meets with President Monroe, who both sign trade agreements that would lead to a French-American economic partnership, many Americans praise France for helping them defeat the British in the War of 1812; the French establish a stronghold in Singapore to provide a naval base for ship passing by the Malay Peninsula
 * 1825: With the help of the French, the process of Russian modernization was becoming imminent, with food and industrial production growing at least 45% a year, something unseen in Russian history, modern food production methods, modern factories and forges, and new, larger, and improved trading and naval fleets became common projects across Russia, but although serfdom as been abolished, nobles controlled half of the farmland, serfs had large debts, city conditions were poor, and people from the low and middle classes were struggling, the basis of what would become the Russian Revolution; Alexander I dies, leaving his successor Costantine as emperor of Russia; because Alaska had little exploitable wealth at that time, he sold it to America for $15 million
 * 1826: In a histroic move. Alexander I meets James Monroe in Washington D.C., Alexander is amazed by the "will of the American people", Monroe and Alexander sign trade agreements that lead to a Russian-American economic partnership, while the American Constitution would inspire Russian democratic reforms in the future; the Ottoman War ends, the Treaty of Constantinople is signed, as France receieves all of Ottoman North Africa (including Egyptian Sudan), Russia receives all Turkish Caucasus lands, Turkish Armenia, Kurdistan, and Shahrazur, while Bulgaria, Serbia, Bosnia, Macedonia, Romania, and Albania gain independence, Greece gains OTL Greece territories, Eastern Thrace, Constantinople, areas in OTL Turkey where Greek minorities reside, and Cyprus from the Ottoman Empire; the capital of the Ottoman Empire is moved to Ankara in Anatolia
 * 1827: Napoleon proposes the project of the Suez Canal, which would sharply the distance and travel time to get to Asia, this is approved by the French government, which begins on the project funded by the French government (and its puppet states); border disputes between Russia and Persia lead ot the Russo-Persian War; anti-Muslim riots go all over the Balkans, as many people, after their harsh rule of the Muslim Turks, have a deep hatred for Islam and begin to persecute Muslims and wreck their mosques, while the new nations ban Islam and force the conversion of Muslims, while in Bosnia, it descends into anarchy as Christian Croats and Serbs attack the Muslim Bosnians
 * 1828: Lord Liverpool is replaced by George Canning as British Prime Minister due to his failure to handle the policy with France; excavation for the Suez Canal begins using 1.5 million people to dig the canal; the Dover Incident occurs when a French merchant ship is fired a wrecked by a British cruiser, which sparks anti-British sentiment in Paris, though the British do apoligize, yet this causes tneions to build up between Britain and France; Balkan Muslims rise up against their religiously repressive governments across the nations causing chaos, while in Bosnia, the anarchy continues to cause nationwide chaos
 * 1829: A French expedition to Japan led by Robert Surcouf land in Nagasaki, who force the Japanese to open up trade to the west, which would cause the process of Japanese westernization with foreign embassies established in Nagasaki; the Russo-Persian War ends, forcing the Persian to give up the land they gave up in OTL; the Panic of 1829 develops in France due to the bank bailout, causing a major widespread recession across Europe and America; due to the anti-Muslim sentiment, at least 80% of Muslims in the Balkans are forced to give up Islam for Christianity while some flee to Russia and Austria for protection, though they still face discrimination in those countries from Christians
 * 1830: Napoleon dies of liver cancer, causing a massive funeral nationwide and a visit by most leaders of Europe (excpet for Britain obviously), wherelse in Britain, celebrations take place, Napoleon II is officially emperor of France, with Napoleon being titled Napoleon the Great in all countries except Britain, who is known by the British as Napoleon the Terrible; the French Railway is officially complete, connecting nearly every region of the mainland empire; Napoleon II establishes the Second Imperial Act, which allows a certain degree of economic development in France's client states; the chaos in the Balkans alarms the Ottomans, who decide to send troops to reconquer the area to protect them, causing France and Russia to declare war on them once again
 * 1831: Napoleon II establishes the French Foreign Legion as a sector of the French military to deal with colonies, protectorates, and other territories outside the European region, who are stationed in nearly every of France's colonies; to deal with the economic stress, Portugal sells Angola and Mocambique for 10 million pounds to Britain, who uses them as barrier against the expanding French African colonial empire; Nat Turner from the USA leads a slave rebellion that woud last for several days before being put out
 * 1832: Cholera breaks out in London which spreads to America and Europe, killing an estimated 3,000 people; the Malta incident occurs, where a Frenchtrading ship is shot down by a British cruiser, which sets off the Meidterranean War, France lands troops in Malta as a punishment for the British, causing Sicily and Sardinia to join him to stop France's "acts of injustice"; Czar Constantine I, a more of a liberal than what most of Russia expected, attempts to enact reforms that would benefit the poor class, eliminate social injustices, imporve living and working conditions, provide unemployement benefits, provide universal education and healthcare, and increase taxes on the rich an decrease taxes on the poor, however, it is shot down by the Russian nobles, who see it as an attempt to eliminate their power, yet this would be one of the factors for the Russian Revolution
 * 1833: Britain attempts to retake the Falkland Islands, yet they are repulsed by the French navy, now tactically and technolgically upgraded; Sardinian and Sicilian fleets clash with the French fleet at Valletta to liberate it from the French, however, they are pushed back; Russian factory and farm workers protest at the Winter Square, but are shot by Russian troops, which scare the protestors away, however, this would be the start of the Russian Revolt; Britain and France enact reforms limiting child labor, improving work conditions, and increase the pay of people; the Turkish Empire sues for peace, which is forced to give Yemen to France and Mesopotamia to Russia, and is forced to pay Russia and France 100 million francs and 100 million rubles, while they are forced to never intervene into events into the Balkan countries ever again, while the nations are to never again persecute them, which they reluctantly agree to, however, in Bosnia, it is still in anarchy, forcing the French to intervene and establish peace, which goes on for several years until there was finally peace
 * 1834: Britain and France enact new reforms that allow people unemployement benefits, employement benefits for those who make little money, free health care for the poor, promote and establish trade unions and charity organizations, and to provide newer, cheap housing my elminating poverty in large urban areas; Britain abolishes slavery; Russian peasants rise up across the Russian countryside, burning nobles' houses, executing wealthy families, and looting whatever riches they have, while Russian factory workers and police clash in riots across cities, the government fears that it would become another French Revolution, yet they do nothing other than brutality to stop it; the French capture Gibraltar after a grueling, long, but epic naval battle; in the South Atlantic, British and French fleets clash around British Atlantic possessions
 * 1835: The Second Seminole War begins between the United States and the Amerindian tribes of Florida; most of Russia east of the Urals begin to deteriorate into anarchy as most of the governing force is slaughtered by the peasants and workers, though some nobles who did support Nicholas's plan to reform Russia were spared, at lands west of the Urals, revolutionaries begin taking over numerous Russian cities with a part of the Russian military now joining them, the Russian government finally coincedes to Nicholas's requests to compromise with the revolutionaries, who hears the stories of suffering from the Russian poor, and immidietly enacts numerous laws that reformed the social life of Russia and allow democracy to develop, a Duma is now formed and a Constitution is written
 * 1836: Most of Australia is now settled, divided by French and British halves; after a series of naval battles, Napoleon II conquers Sicily and Sardinia, forcing Britain to sue for peace, who signs the Treaty of Naples, which forces Britain to seceed its bases and territories in the Mediterranean and the South Atlantic, recognize French control over Sardinia and Sicily, and pay 70 million Francs, causing Francophobe protests across Britain; the French send an expedition to Hawaii led by Julien Cosmao, who establish an alliance and trade agreements, followed by other western nations
 * 1837: Victoria officially becomes Queen of the United Kingdom, though for her first part of her reign, she is very unpopular amongst the British people; the Panic of 1837 begins in New York City and eventually spreads all across Europe; Napoleon II enacts the Church Authority Act, which ends the political power of the Roman Catholic Church across Catholic power and forces most of the church's property to be sold to the public, which angers the Roman Catholic Church, yet the presence of Napoleon's troops in Rome keeps the Church from making any action; the Padri War between the nation of Padris in Indonesia and the French; the Suzez Canal is completed, now officially open to public, it is now reknown as monumental feat in engineering
 * 1838: The Padri War ends, with Padri forced to sign the Treaty of Jakarta, which causes Western Sumatra to come under French control; the Boer Borneo Republic is formed from Southern Borneo; the Cherokee are forced out of their land and journey to their Indian reservation in the Trail of Tears; the Boers fight numerous tribes in the island of Borneo known as the Borneo War; the French withdraw from Bosnia, having finally established a stable environment, though 90% of the Muslim population was either dead, converted to Christianity, or left Bosnia
 * 1839: France declares war on Qing China after refusing trade agreements, known as the South China War; Britain declares war on Afghanistan in the Anglo-Afghan War, with France aiding the Afghans; the French Academy of Sciences invent the first Daguerreotype photography, a basis for modern photography; France battles out rebels in Algeria led by Abd al-Kader; Britain begins to invade the kingdom of Brunei; the Boer Noreno Republic ask the British to annex them as a way to protect themselves from French aggression, which the British agree to; the French Philippines are officially now a part of the French East Indies
 * 1840: New Zealand becomes colonized, the French in the South Island and the British in the North Island; David Livingstone goes on a famous visit to the African interior; France emerges victorious on every naval battle agains the Chinese due to their inferior navy technology, they send troops to France to invade Southern China from the coast and from their colony in Ondochina; the French establish control of Madagascar, OTL Cameroon, OTL Gabon, OTL Congo, OTL Djibouti, and OTL Oman; French troops in Afghanistan face difficulties in the rough terrain, though they manage to gain some success; Britain passes the South African Act, which encourages immigration to South Africa and establishes military bases since the British greatly rely on it for contact with British India
 * 1841: Britain declares a cease-fire with the Afghans, whose army is now battered from the hot weather and the fierce Afghan soldiers thanks to French support, they sign the Peace of Kabul, giving Britain Pashtunistan but will not try to take Afghanistan anymore; the French begin to occupt parts of Southern China from the coast to the inland (where troops from French Indochina invade); Laos and Kampuchea are annexed into French Indochina; the Borneo Boers defeat numerous tribes and take over the whole southern part of the island; Britain takes over Sarawak from Brunei; France responds by invading Sabah from Brunei; Thailand and the Malay States agree to be French protectorates concerned of British aggression in Southeast Asia
 * 1842: Napoleon II meets with Tokugawa Iemochi in a historic visit to Japan, who becomes France's biggest ally in the Pacific, who plan to split China for themselves, and in exchange, France will help provide Japan support for its modernization and some certain reforms; China sues for peace with France, who agree to open China to trade and hand over Southern China (aka provinces of Sichuan, Yunnan, Guizhou, Guangxi, Hunan, Guangdong, Hainan, Jiangxi, Fujian, Zhejiang, Taiwan, and Shanghai) by the Treaty of Beijing and pay 100 million Francs; Britain reacts to France' annexation of Southern China by declaring war on Burma in the Anglo-Burmese War; Boers siege Durban in South Africa, leading to tensions between Britain and the Boer States
 * 1843: An uprising in Greece occurs to Athens, where they demand Louis to establish democracy, however, he refuses and orders troops to shoot the troops, which causes tensions between the monarchy and Greece; the British establish the colony of Natal in Southern Africa; the French Americas (partically in Patagonia, Brazil, New Mexico, Texas, and California) has seen a massive migration of immigrants and pioneers, mainly Europeans and native Latin Americans
 * 1844: The first electric teleram is invented in America; the Bah'ai faith is founded on May 23rd by Bab, one of the religion's prohets; Napoleon II forces Louis to draft a liberal constitution, who reluctantly agrees to, allowing the relations between the Greeks and the monarchy to improve; John Clay is assassinated by a Cherokee Indian
 * 1845: A potatoe blight in Ireland leads to the Great Famine, causing discotnent of British rule and the massive migration of Irish people worldiwde, including the United States, England, the British colonies, and the French Empire; the first rubber band is invented in France; Britain takes over Rangoon, officially incoperating Burma into British India; Britain declares war on the Sikh Kingdom in the Franco-Sikh War
 * 1846: The Mormons begin their trek to the west, mainly to Alberta; the Franco-Sikh War ends, forcing the Sikh Kingdom to be annexed into French India, while the Koh-i-Noor is given to France as part of the French Imperial Jewels; the British Parliment officially outlaws the Corn Laws; St. Nicholasburg is established in OTL Vancouver by Russian settlers; Napoleon II signs a deal with the American settlers in Texas that gives them a degree of self-rule
 * 1847: The first revolver pistol is invented by Samuel Colt, an American inventor; Liberia, due to reaching the qualifications, is requested statehood, and luckily, it was approved by Congress; the discovery of gold in California sparks a gold rush that leads to large-scale immigration from all around the world; concerned abou the Amerindians in most of the French American colonies, Napoleon II signs the Treaty of Mexico City, which allows "unalienable" reservations for the numerous Amerindian tribes of French North America, though they have to be part of the French Empire, the tribes agree to the deal; Kenya and Tanzania become British colonies; Napoleon II allows Texas to become independent and join the United States, including all land of the OTL Republic of Texas (not including the claimed areas in the Rio de Grande)
 * 1848 : A communist Revolution occurs across the mainland French Empire, yet it is put out, and Karl Marx, its leader, its executed, yet his political ideology of communism would have an effect in world history; Napoleon II passes a law that declares the ideology of communism illegal, as it has plagued the nation after the brief revolution; tensions between Britain and France forces Napoleon II to establish the Paris Pact, made out of France and its puppets (German Union, Italian Union, Spain), while Britain, in response, establishes the London Pact, made out of Britain, Austria, and Russia; Austria and Russia declare a break-away from the Contiental Blockade as an excuse to free themselves from the French sphere, and while this does allow Britain to restore its influence on the continent, French products are still the majority being bought
 * 1849 : Inspired by the Balkan and Greek Revolutions, Hungary and Bohemia rebel for independence, plunging Austria into chaos; Napoleon II enacts the Third Imperial Act, which enacts the mass-construction of shipyards, military forts, barracks, but the most important, military barriers (especially in the east) all over the nations of the Paris Pact in order to protect themselves and bing the nations closer; the Yugoslav Movement emerges in Serbia inspired from the union countries of Germany and Italy, who call for all Southern Slavic nations to unite with each other, the movement is not dangerous, yet it causes some concerns to other nations
 * 1850 : Greece, with the help of the French, takes over northern Somalia in the Greco-Somalian War (aka area of OTL British Somaliland), while the French take over Puntland; Liberia expands on to OTL Sierra Leone; Britian establishes a colony in Namibia, and hope to expand it in the future to connect with British Angola; The Taiping Rebellion begins between the Christian Taiping Heavenly Kingdom and the Qing Empire; the chaos in Austria continues, as Britain and Russia support the Austrians, while France supports the Hungarians and Bohemians; Serbia declares all support for the Yugoslav Movement, and calls for all southern slavic nations to unite
 * 1851 : Looking at the anarchy going on in China, Japan declares war on China as an excuse to expand into Manchuria and Korea; inspired by the Yugoslav Movement and the Austrian Revolution, the people of the Illyrian provinces and in Szeklerland and Transylvania in Austria rise up against the French and Austrians, with both sides clashing each other that would continue for several years before the French and Austrians give in; the Belgrade Conference meets in Serbia, where the southern slavic nations: Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Bulgaria, and Romania discuss the new country and how the government will be planned; the Crystal Palace opens in London as part of the 1852 World Fair
 * 1852 : Austria finally gives in to the protests by splitting the nations into Austria, Bohemia, and Hungary, yet the Habsburg Royal Family still retain control of the countries, thus making Austria the Austrian-Bohemian-Hungarian Kingdom, a union of three states; Ljubljana has seen violence due to Slovenians and French troops clashing out, while in Transylvania and Szeklerland, Austrian, Bohemian, and Hungarian troops battle out rioters across cities; the telegraph becomes commonplace all over Frace after the invention's creation in America; the Delhi incident occurs when a French ambassador is mobbed by two British soldiers outside the British embassy, the French call this an act of war, starting the Franco-Anglo Indian War; Yugoslavia is formed amongst the southern slavic nations; Qing China, in a desperate effort to save itself, surrenders to the Japanese and agree to give them Manchuria and Korea in the Treaty of Peking and pay 50 million Yen
 * 1853 : The Franco-Anglo Indian War cause chaos within the princly states, Indian Ocean trade routes, and the independent remnants of India, as French and British fleets and armies clash numerous places around India; Russia and Austria see this and declare war on France by attacking it in the European continent, forcing France to declare war on Austria and Russia, causing the First International War; due to the war in Europe, France and Austria are forced to abandon the Illyrian provinces, Szeklerland, and Transylvania, who become the independent nations of Romania, Slovenia and Croatia, who are asked by Yugoslavia
 * 1854 : Napoleon II asks Yugoslavia and Greece to join him against the British, Austrians, and Russians, and later issues the Degree of Belgrade, that apoligizes to the Slovenians and Croatians for brutally persecuting them for the protests, allowing relations to improve; Austria sees a united Yugoslavia and a Franco-Yugoslav friendship a threat and declare war on Romania, Slovenia, Croatia, and Yugoslavia, forcing the four nations to fight against Austria, who in turn are attacked by the Russians; the war spreads to Australia, Southeast Asia, and New Zealand, where French and British navies and troops collide; Japan joins the war on France's side and attacks Russia in Eatsern Siberia; the Kansas-Nebraska Act is enacted, due to the slavery crisis in America
 * 1855 : Britain finally recognizes the independent states of Transvaal and the Orange Free State in South Africa and Borneo Boer Nation in Borneo; the war spreads to Africa, where French troops attack British colonies in Angola, Mocambique, Kenya, Tanzania, and South Africa; Napoleon II requests President Mattew Perry to join the war on France's side, yet due to its strict policy of neutrality, he politely says no, excpet for some badly needed supplies; Napoleon II reuqests Poland to join the war on his side, which it say yes and declares war on Russia; David Livingstone discovers the Victoria Falls in the OTL Zimbabwe-Zambia border
 * 1856 : Britain asks China to join the war on its side against Japan and France, which, in order to gain back its land, agrees to do so, and declares war on Japan and France; France asks Persia to declare war on Russia, and in exhcnage, it will get Mesopotamia and possible lands lost from the Russo-Persian War, which is accepted and declares war on Russia; Denmark-Norway declares war on Russia feeling threatened, causing Russia to invade the country
 * 1857 : The Sepoy Mutiny begins in British India, with the rebels being funded by the French as an excuse to weaken the British war effort; Russia subdues all of Poland and eastern Yugoslavia (with Austria), while in Africa, France takes over most of Britain's African colonies except South Africa; due to poor military technology and lack of training, the Chinese are subdued everywhere, with Mongolia and parts of the North Chinese Plain now Japanese; most of French Western Australia is now British while all of New Zealand is now French
 * 1858 : The Irish begin to rebel against British rule, aided by the French, which causes chaos in the island; Russia takes over Outer Manchuria from the Japanese; northern Denmark-Norway is now Russian; after an epic naval battle, the French begin to invade Southern England; the Sepoy Mutiny is finally put down, while the Mughal Empire, a supporter of the Mutiny, is officially disbanded, and while French and British India faced hardships, it is clear that French India has an advantage over the British counterpart; due to years of hardsip, China sues for peace; Calcutta falls to the Indian rebels, which quickly leads to the end of British rule in India
 * 1859 : Charles Darwin, a Biritish biologist releases his book, the Origins of Species; Britain declares total cease-fire before the French can reach London, while France declares the same thing after the Russians breached the German Wall, both sides of the International War sign the Treaty of Paris, while there is no winner, each side has its gains and losses, the terms are:


 * Britain will recognize French dominance in Europe
 * France will recognize Britain's control over Australia and New Zealand
 * Japan will recognize Russian control over Outer Manchuria
 * Russia will recognize Japanese control over the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin
 * The North China Plain will be put under Japanese rule
 * All Russian and Austrian occupied areas of Yugoslavia will return to Yugoslavian rule
 * Austria-Hungary-Bohemia will no longer be a union, with Austria annexed into the French client state of the German Union
 * Russia will recognize Perisan rule over Mesopotamia and Kurdistan
 * Persia will recognize Russian rule over Azerbaijan
 * All priosners of war from both sides will be released to their original sides
 * Britain will recognize France's control over Kenya and Tanzania
 * Poland will be officially under Russian rule
 * Hungary will not be subjected to foreign alliances now domination
 * All Japanese-occupied areas of Siberia will be returned to Russia
 * All Russian-occupied areas of Denmark-Norway (now the United States of Scandinavia) will return to the USS
 * Russia will recognize Scandinavian rule over Finland
 * India is proclaimed independent from Britain
 * Britain will recognize Irish independence
 * British and French ships will be free to travel through any water regardless of which either country controls them
 * Russia will end its claims to the Dardenelles Strait
 * Russia will recognize Japanese control of Mongolia
 * Britain will arrest and execute the soldiers who attacked the French ambassador who were responsible for the war (Section 1)
 * 1860 : Europe begins rebuilding from the ashes of war, and although the war had now winner, France barely got the winning side of the war; religious unrest occurs in Northern Ireland due to the mixed Catholic-Protestant population there; the Tiaping Heavenly Kingdom takes over China (what is left of it), and begin a period of rebuilding with the help of the Russians; Abraham Lincoln's election causes the Southern states of South Carolina, Florida, Mississippi, Alabama, and Louisiana to seceed from the Union, much to the horror of the American government; the seceeded states form the Confederate States of America, as the first seeds of the Civil War are about to sprout; Russia officially has control most of Central Asia (the OTL area of the Central Asian USSR), causing concerns from the French about Russian expansion in the region; India's Independence Day is celebrated across India, declaring the French its liberators, making them a valuable ally; the Mughal Empire officially begins reconstructing the economy, the cities, and its stability with the help of the French
 * 1861 : A majority of Irish Protestants leave Ireland for the United Kingdom; the attack on Fort Sumter sparks the Civil War between the United States and the Confederacy; Britain takes the advantage of his and supports the Confederates as an excuse to take back Canada, while France supports the Union to prevent this from happening; Arkansas, Tennesse, Virginia, Kentucky, and Missouri seperate from the Union, while West Virginia seceeds from Virgina, which opposed its secession, and joins the Union; Turkish persecution of Christians in Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine forces Russia and France to interfere, demanding them to end the persecutions; Constantine I of Russia dies in his sleep, leaving his liberal, yet Christian-radical son Nicholas to the throne; the first major oil refinery is established in Baku in Russia
 * 1862 : Things do not look good for the United States as it suffers numerous defeats in the Confederacy, while it has evicted all British attempts to invade Canada thanks to French help; the first iron ship is launched by the Confederates, making all wooden navies useless due to the new naval technology; Lincoln announces the Emancipation Proclamation, which frees all slaves in the Confederacy; the Dakota War begins between the Americans and the Sioux tribes; building of the Latin Railroad (the railroad system touching all parts of the French Americas) begins; Nicholas, despite endorsing Russian reforms, begins a period of pogroms against the Muslims in the Caucasus, Central Asia, and Tatarstan due to his hatred and paranoia of them, causing millions of Muslims to be slain, forced to be Christinas, or leave the country
 * 1863 : The Turks refuse to listen to the French and Russian demands, forcing them to declare war on the Turks, targeting their invasion in Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine; the Confederate defeat in Gettysburg marks the turning of the tide in the Civil War in favor of the Union, Britain agrees to withdraw support from the Confederacy with the Union in the Treaty of Washington D.C., though there are no penalties Britain needs to suffer
 * 18 64 : The Union's early capture of Richmond thanks to the French help ends the Civil War as Robert Lee sues for peace, the Treaty of Appomattox is signed as the Confederacy as to end slavery and rejoin the Union in exchange for efforts from the North to rebuild the war-torn South; Jerusalem is finally liberated from Muslim control after over a thousand years, with French and Russian troops walking into the city, praying at the Christian sites thanking God for helping them capture the city; the Sioux sue for peace, ending the conflict between the Sioux and the United States
 * 1865 : Lincoln is assassinated by John Wilkes Booth, a Southern sympathizer; the Reconstruction in America begins as North begins to rebuild the South; the Turks sue for peace once again, giving Palestine (OTL Israel and Jordan) and the strip of land in the Eastern Arab Peninsula to France and Syria, the Western strip of land in the Arab Peninsula, and Lebanon to Russia, and is forced to pay 100 million Francs and 100 million Rubles, Islam's holiest cities of Mecca and Medina come under French-Russian control, as they do not want to see the Muslims rebel against them; Bohemia agrees to join Russia to protect itself from France, worsening Franco-Russian relations
 * 1866 : Napoleon II dies due to old age, leaving Napoleon III as his successor; a funeral for Napoleon II, now known as Napoleon the Magnificent, is held in Paris, with most world leaders attending, while in Britain, people chear and burn French flags praising the death of Napoleon II; India establishes the Indian Constitution, which is based off the French and American Constitutions, but includes important amendments including the end of the caste system, strict protection of all religions, and ethnical and religious equality for all; Nicholas, as an extreme anti-Muslim, orders the forced-conversion of Muslims to Christians and the execution of those who refuse to be Christians, causing pogroms all across Russian Arabia, though missionaries are not allowed Mecca and Medina for religious reasons
 * 1867 : African Americans make numerous achievements into American society, rising into the ranks faster than every before, but in the South, such progress is limited; the discovery of gold in Alaska marks the Alaskan gold rush, with similar events occuring in Yukon and British Columbia, which would lead to the urbanization and development of the Canadian and Alaskan region so the United States; France establishes the colony of Singapore southeast of the Malay States, using it as a fuel station for ships; the United States takes over Midway Island; the discovery of mineral and gemstone riches in the Congo and South Africa leads to full-scale colonization of those reasons by France in the Congo and Britain in South Africa; Nicholas orders to genocide of Muslims who revolt against Russia, but orders not to hurt those who promise to convert to Christianity, causing the Great Pogrom, a mass-scale persecution of Muslims
 * 1868 : United States begins its pursuit against white-supremicist groups such as the Ku Klax Klan in the South, who they see as a threat to American security and freedom; due to the chaos in war-torn China, Tibet declares independence without an incident, which was supported by France, but opposed by Britain and Russia, who refuse to recognize its independence; disputes with the Borneo Boers and the French in the East Indies lead to the Borneo War; an era known as the West-to-East African Mission begins, when France colonizes and takes over West and East Africa; the West-to-East African Mission pressures America to ask France to not annex the state, which they accept; Muslims declare Russia an "enemy of Islam" for their persecution of Muslims in Islam's birthplace, buring Russian flags, while in some places like Yugoslavia, celebrations occur as demonstators shout out "Death to Islam", the events would spark decades opf religious conflict between Christians and Muslims, with Muslims suffering the most of it
 * 1869 : The Transcontiental Railroad, which spans from New York to Portland, is completed; most of the Boreno Boers are subdued in every battle, forcing thousands to flee to British Sarawak; inspired by France's colonial successes, the Mughal Empire becomes imperialistic, hoping to put the whole Indian subcontinent under her rule; a pro-Qing coup occurs in Xining (the new capital of China), however, with the support of the Russians, it is put down, yet it begins to erode stability in the rump state of China; the whole West African coast his now officially French; the Congo continues to be settled by the French; the OTL area of Angola, Mocambique, and South Africa are know British-settled
 * 1870 : The Confederacy is officially "dissolved" as all of the states are readmitted into the United States; the Mughal Empire begins to invade the kingdom of Pashtunistan, but signs a non-aggression pact with Persia to prevent it from interfering; America begins to establish a colony in northern New Guinea, called Portcoast, leading to American colonization of the island; Greece and France declare war on Ethiopia, with Greece aiming to conquer all of Somalia while France hopes to make Ethiopia a colony; the Borneo Boers sue for peace and sign the Treaty of Jakarta with France, which forces them to be annexed under French rule, with many Borneo Boers fleeing to Australia or British Sarawak; growing French expansion into Africa causes the Boer South African states to ask Britain to be annexed, in which they accept; territorial disputes with the British and the Zulus lead to the Anglo-Zulu War
 * 1871 : The Mughal Empire continues to invade Pashtunistan with French help; Ethiopia begins to succumb to the French and Greek invaders; with the help of the French, Yugoslavia begins to build the Yugoslavian Wall, a military man-made barrier built in the Russo-Yugoslavian border to defend it against a possible Russian invasion; Tibet and France sign the secrety Treaty of Lhasa, which provides military and economic aid to Tibet to defend itself from China and Russia; a new American settlement in New Guinea is established, named Port Washington in the site of OTL Port Moresby; the discovery of oil in the Congo and Western Africa leads to the economic development of the French colonies, while more and more French people begin to move to the colonies
 * 1872 : Pashtunistan is now officially Mughal, as the government agrees to be annexed; Ethiopia surrenders and is partioned into Greek and French parts: Greek recieves Ethiopian Somalia while France gains the rest of the country; Greece begins the invasion of the remaining Somalian lands to complete unifying it under Greek rule; Yellowstone is established as the world's first national park; the West African and Sudan regions are now officially French; Rhodesia is formed in the OTL area of Zambia and Zimbabwe, settled by the British, with OTl area of Botswana and the whole OTl area of South Africa now Britsh-settled, as the Zulus officially surrender
 * 1873 : Somalia is officially under Greek rule, with France giving it Somalian lands in French Kenya, therefor giving Greece control of Somalia; the Portuguese Unification Movement begins in Lisbon, whose followers call for the unification for Alentejo and Portugal into one nation, yet Napoleon III disapproves the movement, with Britain and Russia supporting it; the OTL area of Zaire is officially French
 * 1874: Napoleon III enacts the Conversion Act, which allows French missionaries to convert non-Christian natives into Roman Catholicism, much to the delight of the Roman Catholic Church, causing Christianity to spread in French colonies in Africa and Asia; the Portuguese Unification Movement burns French flags in a demonstration in Lisbon, forcing France to threaten Alentejo and Portugal to ban the movement or else they will suffer an invasion, while Britain and Russia back the demonstrators; Napoleon III enacts the Napoleonople Act, which begins the construction of new, orderly planned cities across the empire
 * 1875 : Napoleon III enacts the Latin American Act, most of French New Mexico, California, and Patagonia is settled, allowing them to be annexed into French New Spain and French Rio de la Plata (only for Patagonia); the US government signs an agreement with the Papuan tribes in the reaty of Port Washington, which officially incorperates New Guinea into the United States, yet the natives can keep most of their land while a third of it went to the settlers; the Black Hills War begins between the Americans and the Sioux once again
 * 1876 : In the Battle of Little Bighorn, was an astounding victory for the Sioux, one of the most epic moments in American history; Albania and Yugoslavia argue over the ownership of Kosovo, which is Albanian and wants to join Albania, yet Yugoslavia refuses this, despite international pressure; the United States celebrates its centennial; the OTL area of Tanzania is now British settled with the area of Rwanda and Burundi also French-settled, leaving Africa now under foreign domination (France, Britain, and Greece); the Statue of Liberty, a soon-to-be famous monument of the United States, is officially approved by the American government
 * 1877 : The Wounded Kneww Massacre marks the endof the American-Sioux War, with the Sioux the big loser, forced to seceed a large amount of Indian lands to America; despite international pressure not to do so, Yugoslavia declares war on Albania, sparking the Albanian War, with Turkey supporting the Albanians and the Greeks supporting the Velikslavians; the pieces of the Statue of Liberty have started to be made in France
 * 1878 : The Ottomans siege Constantinople to undermine Greek effort in the Albanian War, but thanks to reinforcements from Yugoslavia which arrived there before the battle even began, the Turks are forced to retreat; Albania sues for peace, which is annexed into Yugoslavia, while Turkey, for their involvement in the war, gives away the Marmara region of the empire to Greece; the Trans-Siberian Railroad System begins building
 * 1879 : Thomas Edison officially invents the first light bulb, which causes a technological revolution that makes electricity the newest and one of the most reliable technologies in the world; Napoleon III is assassinated by British industrial worker Richard Jackson, causing tensions between Britain and France, yet the British arrest him by the time he comes back home; Napoleon IV becomes emperor, as a time of mourning for Napoleon III occurs all across the empire, while in Britain, it is just celebrations and French flag burning
 * 1880 : France establishes a colony in Tahiti, which would lead to French dominance in Polynesia; Napoleon IV, who is more of a liberal than what most people expected, begins to establish reforms, including establishing social welfare programs for all people (especially the poor and elderly), decreased funding and the size of the secret police, and allows a certain degree of freedom of speech
 * 1881 : Britain establishes control of Fiji; France establishes control of Easter Island, the Austral Islands, Mangareva, Tuamout Archipelago, Marquesas Islands, Society Islands, and Napoleon Islands (OTL Cook Islands); Americans begin to settle in Samoa; Hungary and France sign a secret pact the allows Hungary to receieve military and economic aid; John Rockefeller is murdered by a Chicago socialist
 * 1882 : In a historic move, Napoleon IV abolishes the Continental System, as it was established to develop the French economy, but now that is stronger than Britain's, it is no longer needed, although some politicians and businessman opposed this move; Thomas Edison's establishment of the first electrical grid in Lower Manhattan starts the Age of Electricity; after several years of the crisis, Portugal and Alentejo agree to eliminate any chance of unification, much to the delight of France, but much to the dismay of Russia and Britain, and much to the anger of the Portuguese Unification Movement
 * 1883 : The Latin Railroad finishes constructing, making it the world's largest railroad system, but due to the naming controversy, it is renamed the French Colombian Railroad; Portuguese Unification Movement protestors clash with police in Lisbon, Almada, Setubai, and Porto, angry at the Portuguese and Alentejo governments for backing down on unification; the first electric generators in Europe is established in Paris, London, Milan, and Berlin; construction begins on the French Imperial Tower in Paris;
 * 1884 : A revolution begins in Turkey, where millions of Turks, disatisfied about their conditions, depose the 585-year old empire at its capital in Ankara, the Turkish Royal Family is captured and executed by the people, while a provisional government is established, however, the revolutionaries are divided into three factions: Islamic Communists, pro-western liberals, and Islamic fundamentalists, their differences sparked the Anarchy of Turkey, where Turkey is torn apart by these factions while France and Russia begin to seize their land to their advantage; Sudanese rebels begin to Siege of Khartoum, where the French Foreign Legion and Sudanese rebels clash in one of the bloddiest moments in French history, though in the end, the rebels lose
 * 1885 : The Mormons establish the State of Deseret in OTl Alberta, however, American pioneers refuse the recognize the state and begin raids in the region, causing anarchy; Russia establishes control of the Black Sea region of Turkey, while France seizes the Mediterranean region of Turkey; Napoleon IV enacts the African Modernization Act, which enforces modernization and industrialization amongst French African colonies, much against the wishes of the natives; Napoleon IV and Rockefeller sign the Moluccas Accords, which allow American control of the Molucca Islands; the Women Sufferage Movement begin protests in Russia, France, Britain, and the United States, demanding more rights for women
 * 1886 : The first modern Olympic Games begin in Athens, though it is more Christian influenced than OTL, nine nations from Britain, the United States, France, Russia, Greece, Yugoslavia, the Mughal Empire, Japan, Hungary, and Ireland compete in the games, with the French gaining the most medals in all the games; the Statue of Liberty pieces arrive in New York, with construction about to begin; the Southeastern Anatolian region is seized by Russia and added to Syria, with only Central and eastern Anatolian regions left of Turkey
 * 1887 : Islamic terrorists assassinate Nicholas while riding in his carriage touring the city of Moscow, causing anti-Muslim pogroms throughout Russia; the discovery of mineral wealth and oil in Siberia lead to the Siberian Race, when numerous settlers begin moving to Siberia to dig up the valuable resources; the Russo-Japanese War begins after territorial disputes in the Seas of Japan and Okhostk, though the rest of the world remains neutral in the war; the Yellow River Floods in Japanese China cause up to deaths high as 900,000, which leads to Chinese discontent of Japanese rule in the region
 * 1888 : Greece's offer to buy Mocambique from the British is turned down, because despite having little economic value, it is important to counter French influence in the Mocambique Channel; the Washington Archipelago (OTL Bismark Archipelago) is settled by Americans; the Solomon, Vanuatu, Santa Cruz, and New Graecia (OTL New Caledonia) Islands are settled by the Greeks; Napoleon IV agrees to sell Mirconesia to Japan as long as Christian missionary work can be continued unharmed, which the Japanese shogun accepts
 * 1889 : The famed Coco-Cola Company is founded in Atlanta, Georgia; the Era of Strikes occurs across America, where trade unions and workers begin to protest harsh working and living conditions across the country, ranging from factory workers to miners, which are very small at first, but begin to increase in strength; Persia begins to invade Arabia to begin the unification of the Arab tribes, yet signs a non-aggression pact with France and Russia promising not to harm their holdings in Arabia; the French Imperial Tower is completed, though at first disliked, it is soon favored by the French people
 * 1890 : The Wounded Knee Massacre occurs when Amerindians doing a "ghost dance" are mistaken by American troops as a declaration of war; two Greek missionaries in Greek Somalia are killed by several Somalian tribesmen, causing Greece to declare the Somalian Mission in order to cleanse Somalia of rebels; Japan sues for peace, as it is forced to give back Russia Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands lost to Japan in the First Great War and has to pay 50 million ruble
 * 1891 : Pope Leo XIII makes a historic visit to Palestine, praising the French for "liberating the land into rightful" hands; the Islamic Communist faction of the Turkish Anarchy takes full control of the country, who hopes to restore Turkey to its former glory, yet numerous countries do not recognize the new government; Thomas Edison produces the first kinetoscope
 * 1892 : Thomas Edison establishes General Electric, a electric company which would soon become one of the biggest corporations in the world; the last independent islands of Polynesia are now settled by France; Greece's request of buy Fiji from Britain is reluctantly approved, as after all, it is becoming uselsss for Britain since they have Australia; the Trans-Siberian Railroad System is completed
 * 1893 : Liliuokalani rebels against American influence, forcing U.S. Marines to put down the rebellon, leading to her deposition and the annexation of Hawaii into the United States; the Panic of 1893 begins when the New York Stock Exchange crashes; Thomas Edison invents the first motion picture; gold is discovered in Western Australia, increasing the importance of Britain's only Pacific colony; a shoot out between Tibetanese and Chinse soldiers occurs at the border, nearly igniting war, but causes tensions between China and Tibet; France is the first country to let women vote
 * 1894 : East Turkestan separatists bomb Russian embassies in Urumqi, causing severa; deaths and many injured, many whom are Russians, this forces the Russian government to place troops in the region to find the terrorists responsible; Nicholas dies and is replaced by Alexander II, who unlike his father, embraces religious freedom, forcing the ban on all religious pogroms, ending the nightmarish era for Russian Muslims; Samoa is officially incorperated in the United States
 * 1895 : Kurds begin to rebel under Persian rule, causing the Kurdish Genocide, while Russia uses this as an excuse to invade Kurdistan, demanding Persia end the genocide or it will invade it, yet it absolutly refuses; border disputes between the Mughal Empire and Afghanistan lead to the Indo-Afghan War; Alfred Dreyfus, a French army officer, is convicted of treason after nearly assassinating Napoleon IV, who is stripped of his rank and sent to a prison in Sardinia; Willing Bryans enacts a series of reforms never seen in America since the Era of Strikes, which eliminates trusts, regulates the size of businesses, establish the Jennings Laws that protect peoples' health and safety, improve working conditions and health, and reveal the first time the corruption of the trusts, and despite pleads not to, the reforms are enacted
 * 1896 : H.L. Smith takes the first X-Ray photograph with the X-Ray machine being shown to public the first time; the Anarchy in Desert ends after U.S. troops put it down, who force the Mormons to give up polygamy in exhcnage for amnesty; the northeastern United States is affected by an immense heat wave; the Molaccus are settled by the Americans
 * 1897 : Most of Greek Somalia is cleansed of rebels, yet the Greeks begin the development of the impoverished region to gain support from the natives; Zionism is founded in the German Union, whose goal is to re-establish the Jewish homeland in Palestine, while this does receieve support from Napoleon IV and Alexander II, they are very concerned on how the new state will be planned out; at least 10,000 Kurds are massacred by the Persians, causing Russia to declare war on Persia; Afghanistan surredners, which is now incorperated into the Mughal Empire
 * 1898 : Tensions between China and Tibet lead to the Qinghai War, wth the Russians backing the Chinese and the Indians backing the Tibetanese; Alentejo and Portugal are united by pro-Portuguese Unification Movement leaders, angering the French, who declare war on Portugal, causing Britain and Russia to do the same to France while Hungary, Greece, Ireland, Japan, Yugoslavia, and the Scandinavian Union do the same thing to Russia, causing the Second Great War; France organizes the Palestinian state to fit the Zionist and Arab demands: both Jews and Arabs (and to a degree Christians and Druzes) will cooperate together in the government, with a Jew holding governor and an Arab holding prime minister, and the two groups swtich places every three years, Napoleon IV hopes that religious and ethnical tensions will not arise
 * 1899 : The United States once again declares neutrality from the war, yet both sides send ambassadors constantly to get the United States to join their side; the Second Great War causes the Latin American Independence Movement to emerge in French Latin America, who call for greater self-rule, France, who is powerless to make an action, agrees to the demand in exchange for their war effort, which both sides agree to; Russian troops seize vast amounts of land from Hungary and Yugoslavia, whose armies are outnumbered by the enormously populated Russians; the Irish fleet is sunk at the Battle of Campbelltown, who attempt a land invasion in Scotland; an attempted British invasion of Madagascar is crushed by the French fleet
 * 1900 : French-Greek and British fleets collide in the Tasman Sea, with Britain to be the loser; the French introduce poison gas and tanks to the battlefield in Europe, giving them a great advantage over the Russian troops in the east; trench warfare is introduced; the British manage to land at Dublin after the Irish are defeated in the Battle of Dublin; the Moluccas are officially incorperated in the United States; East Turkestan separatists declare their independence from China, yet Russia counters this by using its troops to crush the movement
 * 1901 : The 20th Century officially begins, yet only celebrations occur in the United States, as most of the world is doing nothing but fighting; Indo-Persian armies force the Russians out of Kashmir; Tibetan armies force the Chiese away from the border; Portugal and Alentejo are officially occupied by the French, who begina genocide over the Portuguese population, who flee to places like Brazil and the Untied States; the British are defeated in the French Congo border; the British in the Burmese-Thai border manage to force French troops to retreat; Muslims, Jews, and Christians riot in Jerusalem over religious ground issues, forcing troops to interfere, nearly destroying the city's vaulable Christian cites, Napoleon IV diviides th ecity into Christian, Muslim, and Jewish parts, while the Old City (the center of the city) becomes its own district, the Holy District, strictly diided into Jewish, Arab, and Christian parts; Willian Bryans dies in a car accident in New York City
 * 1902 : Nepal and Bhutan agree to join the Tibetan side of the war, sendin small armies to reinforce the Tibetans in the border with China; the East Turkestan Movement is crushed, with most of the followers fleeing to the Mughal Empire and Tibet for saftey; Victoria dies of old age, leaving Edward VII the heir to the British throne, but appon his coronation, he is murdered in a terrorist bombing by a French man, heightning the tensions between Britain and France, forcing Goerge V to take his place; Kurdistan is now udner the control of the Russians, who send humantarian aid to the Kurds; Slavic areas of Hugnary rebel against Hungarian rule, allowing Russia to annex them with little trouble
 * 1903 : Napoleon IV enatcs a very important law, the Act of Governance, which allow all French colonies to represent in the parliment, allowing to meet the demands of self-governance in French America; all of Arabia (except the areas under foreign control) are united under Persia, yet they face constant attacks from the Russians in the west, with France supporting it from the east; in a desperate need for money, France sells Guantanamo Bay to the United States as a naval base
 * 1904 : After a few years of planning, the construction for the Nicagura and Panama Canals begin under the support, supervision, and the control of the Americans since France is too busy out fighting; Tibetanese-Nepalense-Bhutanese-Indian troops retreat to Lhasa after a defeat in Xining; at least over 1 million Portuguese escaped their homeland into the United States and Britain; British troops control northeastern Ireland while they face heavy resistence from Irish guerillas
 * 1905 : The Wright borthers invent the first plane after their test at Kitty Hawk; Outer Mongolia is now under the control of Russia, with China having control of Inner Mongolia; Finland is recaptured by the russians from the Scandinavians;a lthough against the wishes of the big business owners, reforms are passed similar to those in France and Britain, improving working and living conditions for all Americans; the Group of 10 led by Theodore Roosevelt release secret information to the public, revealing the corruption of the trusts and their control of the government, angering numerous Americans, this forces business leaders to confess to the public, leading to the establish of the Roosevelt Amendments (and other laws), which include:


 * ​The right to have free, universal health care
 * The right to have free, universal education
 * The right to be provided employement
 * The right to have a minimun wage
 * The right to have adequate housing
 * The right to have free social security
 * The right to be protected from unfair competition and monopolies
 * The right to have improved working and living saftey
 * The right to have adequate working conditions
 * The right to establish trade unions
 * The end of child labor
 * The right to have a 8-hour minimun workday
 * 1906 : Raids on Russian Anatolia by Turkish guerillaes force Russia to invade the impoverished country, with Ankara taken easily due to poor military skills and equipment, leading to the French conquest of the region, extinguishing the last Turkish region; most of Greece Anatolia is now under the control of Russia; soldiers clash at the Syrian-Palestinian border; a powerful earthquake strikes San Francsico, causing nightmarish destruction, with aid to rebuild the city coming worldwide, even countries at war; Russia manages to capture Naples, yet a volcanic eruption from Vesuvius destroys the Russian army there and forces a retreat
 * 1907 : Polish rebels repulse Russin troops out of the region, finally declaring independence; Chinese and Russian troops are forced to retreat from Lhasa; Hungary is overrun by Russian troops, who establish control over the country; Romanian rebels are crushed in Bucharest; the French close the Suez Canal to prevent anti-French coalition ships from passing through; Scandinavian troops land in the Baltic regions of Russia (Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania)
 * 1908 : The Russian siege of Tehran is repulsed thanks to French reinforcements; the Tunguska Event occurs in Russia, when a mysterious explosion occurs in Eastern Siberia, though what it was is a mystery to this day; the Young Turks, a separatist terrorist group, emerges from Russian Anatolia, who wear down the Russian troops stationed there; London is captured by French troops, forcing the British to sue for peace; Irish troops seize many Celtic areas of Britain
 * 1909 : Tel Aviv is founded by Jewish settlere in Palestine; the British surrender demoralizes the anti-French coalition, forcing Russia to ask France for a truce, which it accepts; the Treaty of Paris is signed between France and the anti-French coalition, the terms are:


 * ​Hungary, Finland, Greek Anatolia, British-controlled areas of Ireland, Russian-controlled areas of Yugoslavia, and Russian-Chinese controlled Japanese Mongolia are to be abandoned by the anti-French Coalition
 * The coalition is to pay France 100 million Francs each as a punishment for the war
 * Persia is forced to recognize russian rule of Kurdistan
 * Russian Syria and Arabia are handed over to Greece
 * Britian must pay 150 million Irish punds to Ireland
 * Scotland, Wales, Isle of Man, and Brest will be handed to Ireland
 * Tibetanese independence will be recognized
 * Russia will respect Poland's independence
 * Hungary and France will recognize Russia's control of former Slavic areas of Hungary
 * Burma and Sarawak will be handed over to France
 * Sri Lanka and all British-owned islands in the Indian Ocean will be given to Greece
 * Russia and China have to pay 100 million yens each to Japan
 * Mocambique will be given to Greece
 * Portugal is officially part of the French Empire
 * The Russian Baltic regions of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania are officially Scandinavian
 * Britain will be renamed England by the time the reaty is signed
 * 1910 : Celebrations occur all over the French Empire, celebrating France's victory in the Second Great War, Napoleon IV is hailed as one of the most famous people in the country; the automobile becomes very popular worldwide, with nearly every person in their developed nation owns one, however, to control the issue of traffic, laws referring to speed limits, traffic and road signs, and driver licenses have been established; England faces an enormous debt crisis due to the war, stripped of nearly all of its overseas territories except those in the North Atlantic, Australia, Southern Africa, and New Zealand; Alexander II, shocked by the loss of the war, resigns in favor of Alexander III, who begins to transfer Russia from an autocratic semi-democratic constitutional monarchy into a parlimentary democracy, and also, to protect itself from French aggression, enacts the Second Alexander Plan, which promotes the building of barracks and military forts across the empire (especially at the borders), shipyards, factories to supply the military with military technology, and new settlements in Siberia to continue harnessing its natural resources; France faces several rebellions in its colonies in Asia and Africa in the Era of Rebellion, but they are put down, yet Napoleon IV encourages reforms to appease the people and economic development to supply France natural resources; China descends into chaos due to the high debt to pay for Japan, yet it is taken over by Russia to prevent a catastrophic collapse of the country (Section 2)
 * 1911 : The long-lost Incan city of Machu Picchu in the Andes is discovered by Hiram Bingham; Albert Einstein establishes the French Science Committe, who becomes the head of the organization, and would soon become one of the best minds of France; the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire occurs in New York, with the factory owners imprisoned for life for failure to meet the saftey demands; the famed Mona Lisa painting is stolen from the Louvre, causing nationwide panick until the theif was captured; International Women's Day celebrates its founding; the 1911 French Census reports that 65% of all French Africans are Christian, mostly Catholicism; the Race to the South Pole begins between Amundsen of Scandinavia and Robert Scott of England, in which Amundsen wins the race, yet Robert dies doing so
 * 1912 : The Roaring Reign begins in France due to economic prosperity, a great Classical and Renaissance cultural revival, and the advancement on technology, which spreads to Hungary, Scandinavia, Ireland, Japan, Greece, Yugoslavia, and the United States, while in Russia and England, the Great Misfortune occurs due to their defeat in the Second Great War; Napoleon IV dies of old age, leaving Napoleon V to the throne; one of the first acts of Napoleon V is the meeting with the French Science Committe leader Albert Einstein, and his team: Marie Curie, Henri Recquerel, Pierre Curie, and Rtherford, who claim they might have discovered nuclear fission, while Napoleon V helps fund their research; the English liner Titanic sinks in the Atlantic Ocean after a iceberg scrapes it, as one of the biggest disasters in the history of the early 20th century
 * 1913 : Rebellions in Southeast Asua occur by anti-French groups, causing Napoleon V to send troops to the region to put it down; the discovery of oil in the Middle East, North Africa, West Africa, the East Indies, and Somalia marks a new era for prosperity for the region, as it is now a major source of world oil; Napoleon V begins the "restoring" of the ancient monuments of Rome from the ancient Roman Empire, which provokes controversy as construction workers would wreck valuable history, however, Napoleon promises to put the older, original ones in a museum built in Rome by seperating them into sections and reassembling at the museum
 * 1914 : Greece, France, Yugoslavia, Scandinavia, and Hungary begin the building of the European Road, a highway system that touches every part of Continental Europe except Russia; the Panama and Nicagura Canals are open in French New Spain, however, technically, American controls the canals since they built it; Mongolian rebels in Japan secretly funded by Russian bomb governmental buildings in Ulaan Batar, forcing Japan to send military troops to Mongolia to put down the uprising; Japan agrees to let Christian missionaries into the country, though the can not convert native Japanese people into Christians
 * 1915 : Albanians revolt against Yugoslavian rule in the region, whihch was met by a harsh response, with poison gas poured into Albanian cities, mosques being torn down, and Albanian Christians funded by the Yugoslavians to attack the Muslim Albanians, causing anti-Christian sentiment in Albania; locusts plague Palestine, causing a famine in the region, forcing France and other Christians to depoly humantarian aid to save the "Holy Land" from starvation; the construction of the Lincoln Memorial begins; Pluto is discovered, though not at that time known as a planet
 * 1916 : Zeppelins become a popular form of transport for people in Europe and America, while airplanes are becoming more and more improved to the point they can be reliable to all militaries; Ireland establishes a government system nicknamed the "Celtic Sstem", which allows all Celtic peoples to be represented in the government, while the original native languages of Scotland and Wales will be taught in schools and ban the teaching of English, which is seen as "evil" by the government; Greece allows the United States to establish naval bases in certain islands of the Greek Pacific
 * 1917 : The French Petroleum and Natural Gas Company (FPNG) as one of the world's largest oil corporations; a church in Hanoi, Frnech Indochina is bombed by Vietnamese separatists, forcing France to send troops to protect Christians in Frnech indochina; Ireland officially becomes the Celtic Union, made up of all Celtic states except Britanny, which is French; the Panam and Nicagura Canals Department is established by the United States government
 * 1918 : Hunger strikes occcur all over England, due to the fact most of the country's food supply was drained by the Second Great War, the government wanted to feed its people but does not have enough; Russia and Persia once again clash over border disputes, forcing Russia to declare war on Perisa; at least 5 million Portuguese fled to the United States, Greece, Russia, and Scandinavia
 * 1919 : Greece agrees to sell its Indian Ocean islands (except Sri Lanka and the Seychelles) to Scandinavia; over a milllion Albanians have fled to Russia, where it is considered a safe haven; socialists revolt in England to make reforms, however, it quickly turns into a riot, forcing the police to shoot them, causing declining stability in the country; some Englishmen begin immigrating to America due to the situation in their homeland; the Prohabition begins in the United States when all alchoholic drinks (except wine) are banned in the United States, which although it reduces the problem with drunkards, it actually caused more problems, especially the fact it is difficult to enforce
 * 1920 : The wealth from oil allows France to establish new settlements in West Africa, Southeast Asia, and the Middle East, with plans to diversify the economy since the oil prosperity will sooner or later end; Somalia becomes more and more industrialized and urbanized under Greek control; a Christian mob attacks several people worshipping in a mosque in Damascus, leading to city-wide riots over Christians and Muslims; hyperinflation occurs in England, while sees that as an excuse to avoid paying war reparations; France establishes the Arctic and Antarctic Exploration Organization, destined to study the polar regions
 * 1921 : Persia sues for peace after the war, forcing to give up Mesopotamia and Arabia to Russia and pay 60 million rubles, whil Russian oil companies begin to invest in the region; socialists from England bomb the Trocadero near the French Imperial Tower, forcing France to threaten England that it will invade the country to stop the terrorists unless it makes an action; the Roman project is completed, with most ancient Roman ruins rebuilt and their original counterparts in a new museum; Samuel Bush is assassinated by an Englishman
 * 1922 : A Christian convert in Baghdad is mauled by Muslim bullies in a nearby school, forcing the Mesopotamian government to sne dguards to Baghdad to protect the city's Christians; insulin is invented as a medicine for diabetes; the Lincoln Memorial is finished building, as a memorial to the president who saved the union at its darkest era; the African Railroad and Highway System begins building in French Africa, hoping to improve the transportation infrastructure and connect all regions
 * 1923 : Hyperinflation in England reaches 1 USD=1,000,000,000,000 English piounds and is still growing; England agrees to crackdown on socialist terrorists; Russia's demands for the Mughals and Tibetanese to turn in Est Turkestan rebels is turned down, causing tensions between russia and the two countries; the growing economic prosperity of the Roaring Era encourages Napoleon V to enact the Fifth Imperial Plan, which encourages the expansion of businesses, urbanization, industrialization, Europeanization, modernization, and infrastrucutre-building to French colonies, but three new, thicker, stronger barriers are built near the Russian border in French-allied states to prevent a Russian invasion; the Celtic Union and Scandinavia sign a trade agreement that puts economic sanctions on England, further worsening the situation
 * 1924 : A pro-Russian terrorist group bombs French embassies in Scandinavia, Poland, Yugoslavia, Greece, and the United States, causing the worsening of relations between Russia and those countries, though Russia claims it never got involved in it; studies show that 61% of the population of the Arab world is now Christian due to French, Greek, and Russian influence; China sells East Turkestan to Russia for $500 million yuan due to the fact it can no longer maintain it; the United States passes the Highway Act, which encourages the building of the highway system across America to improve road infrastructure
 * 1925 : Russia manages to get out of the Great Misfortune and into the Roaring Era, having finally secured a military victory since their defeat in the Second Great War; hypderinflation in England reaches 1 USD=100,000,000,000,000 English pounds, causing England to reach closer to anarchy; Mount Rushmore begins construction; double-decker buses are introduced to Paris; the Ku Klax Klan become one of the largest organizations in the United States, having control of most of the state governments of the South
 * 1926 : Muslims in Russian and Greek Arabia rebel against Christian influence, which was met with a harsh military comeback, who automatically shoot the protestors, causing thousands of deaths; Alexander III enacts the Irrigation Act, which begins building irrigation systems in the arid regions of the Russian Empire; England splits into two due to the hyperfinlation: North England and South England, with no nation to support its dying lifeblood; Mughal embassies in Tibet are bombed by pro-Chinese terrorists
 * 1927 : Independence movements begin in French Latin America, who conisder themselves an independent nation rather than part of France despite the represenation reform made by Napoleon IV, while Brazil calls to be seperate from French Latin America if it were to gain independence and be a part of France, Napoleon V agreed to let French Latin America (excluding Brazil) independent on one condition: it will be a commonwealths under the French Empire, meaning that it have certain autonomous policies, yet the monarch and head of state will always be the French emperor, while French Carribean possessions will continue to be a part of France, French Latin America becomes the country of Gran Hispaniola while French Brazil continues to be a part of France, Gran Hispaniola begin establishing ties with the United States; Oswald Mosley takes over Southern England in the military coup, promising to restore England to its glory; the European Rail and Road System is completed
 * 1928 : Oswald's growing support in Northern England causes both halves of the country to unite, while he begins a military build-up, something France would not permit; Sardinia and Sicily, conquered in the past century, are now admitted into Italy; the Grand Canyon Dam begins constructing in the United States; pro-Mosley terrorists bomb French governmental buildings in Calais; most of the irrigation systems being built in Russia are completed in Russian Central Asia
 * 1929 : The Crashes of Paris, New York, Athens, Moscow, and Dublin begin the Great Depression, a worldwide economic crisis that deeply affected many countries worldwide, numerous banks fail worlwide, causing panic amongst the people; the Geneva Convention begins the ban of chemicla weapons in warfare; color TVs are invented, and become a popular leisure to the people, yet the economic crash doesn't help the TVs make a success at all in the market; Mother Teresa begins preaching in the Mughal Empire, helping the poor, the sick, and the disabled, allowing Christianity to grow in the country
 * 1930: Unemployement in Europe and America rises up to 10%; the economic situation allows Mosley to gain support from the people; many people in germany and italy rebel against French influence, blaming them for their economic problems, forcing Napoleon V to send troops to quell the rebellion; the Russian irrigation System is completed; the depression cuases a massive drop in oil prices, causing most oil-producing areas to be hit by the economic crisis
 * 1931 : The Mughal Empire and Japan are hit by the economic crisis, while prime Minister Mohandas Gandhi begins the "Plan of Recovery", which begins the building and improving of infrastructure (roads, railroads, canals, dams, bridges, waterworks, pipelines, etc.) across the country to drop unemployement; Japan's shogun Hideki Tojo begins to build up the military and fortifications all around the Japanese-Russian and Japanese-Chinese borders, while it builds naval bases around the Japanese home islands, the plan is to increase the miltiary and end unemployement temporarily; due to the Depression and the growing unpopularity of the Prohibition, the ban of alcohol is ended in the United States; the rebellions in Germany and Italy continue, as cities like Berlin and Rome become centers for rioters
 * 1932 : Napoleon V enacts the Sixth Imperial Plan, hoping to reduce unemployement by building and improving on infrastructure across the country and hopefully end the rebellion; Mosleism (the ideology of Mosley which is like fascism) spreads to many countries, which includes an anti-French message; Alexander III enacts the Third Alexander Imperial Plan, which begins the building of roads in Siberia and the development of its natural resources, hoping to end the economic crisis; pro-French and anti-French supporters clash across Germany and Italy
 * 1933 : Mosleists take over Japan, calling for the end of relations with France and the declaration of a Pacific empire; the English royal family is exiled to the United Statesm, where they hope to hold out until the Mosleists are deposed; the Golden gate Bridge in the United States begins constructing; Italian nuclear scientists declare loyalty to England as part of the anti-French faction in the Italian Riots; the fabled Loch Ness Monster is claimed to be seen at the Loch Ness lake in Scotland; all non-Mosleist parties are banned in England
 * 1934 : Hungary, Tibet, Persia, and Poland are taken over my Mosleists, breaking all ties to the French sphere and begin building up their militaries; the New Deal is passed by Franklin Roosevelt, which is planned to help combat the Depression, with similar plans being enacted in Gran Hispaniola and Brazil; the Organization of the americas is established by Gran Hispaniola, Brazil, and the United States, who want to cooperate to end the economic crisis; the threat of Mosleism becomes evident after a failed coup in Moscow, which forces Russia to seek an alliance with France to end the Mosleist threat, which France agrees so ; the Tennesse river Valley Authoirty is established by the New Deal, which controls the Tenesse Rivers and harnass them for electiricty, prevent floods, establish reserviors, and provide jobs by building a series of dams and canals
 * 1935 : England, Hungary, Tibet, Japan, and Poland sign the Mosleist Pact, which helps the nations work together to build up their militaries and aid each other; pro-Mosleists begin appearing in Germany and italy, all who want to end french influence in the region; Mosleists Adlof Hitler and Benito Mussolini declare the independence of Germany and Italy, who join the Mosleist Pact; the Mosleist Pact declares war on France and Russia, hoping to crush France and unite together to achieve world domination; Yugoslavia is taken over by Mosleists, who also declare war on France and Russia while Gran Hispaniola and Brazil declare war on the Mosleist Pact
 * 1936 : France and Russia take a heavy toll on the war, struggling to defend their homeland from the powerful Mosleist Pact, the nuclear scientists in Germany flee to france, who declare loyalty in Napoleon V; Britain attacks French Africa from the South; Greece invades Yugoslavia while the Celtic Union declares war on England while China declares war on Tibet and Japan while Persia declares war on Russia, France, and the Mughal Empire; new breeds of tansk, airplanes, and guns are invented by Mosleist scientists, allowing them to have an advantage over the French and Russians, yet they still have better manpower; parts of Eastern Siberia are taken over by Japan; the Grand Canyon Dam is completed; the Entente is formed by all anti-Mosleist nations involved in the Third Great War
 * 1937 : China is finally annhilated under Tibetanese and Japanese rule; the Golden Gate Bridge is compelted; Mosleist Spanish and Portuguese separatists in France declare war on France, while independence rebels in French colonies do the very same thing; Hungary and Poland are split in half under Russian control; Wales, Brest, and the Isle of Man are under English control; gas weapons are used against French troops in northern and eastern France; African rebels proclaim the Republic of the Congo with Mosleist support; Nepal and Bhutan join the Mughals in the war; British Burmese soldiers attack the Mughals and the French Thais
 * 1938 : Hungary and Poland are now under the rule of the Russians, while Scandinavia is torn by a civil war between Mosleists, who hold the majority of the country, the the Republicans, who have only the remainder, france and russia support the Republicans while Germany and England support the Mosleists; colonial rebellions in Western Africa are put down with help from Brazil and Gran Colombian troops; Greece and Russia now control eastern and southern Yugoslavia; Azerbaijan is under Perisan rule while northeastern Persia is under Russian control; parts of Northern India are bombed by Japanese planes; Nepal and Bhutan ar overrun by the Japanese, causing the Mughals to go to panic
 * 1939 : Southern China is now under Japanese control; horrified by the events of the Third Great War, the United States send military aid to Russia, causing factories to roar to life and more workers to be hired, allowing the Great Depression to be ended once and for all; an attempted English invasion of Dublin is pushed back by the Irish; the Netherlands becomes a battlefield between French and german troops, while dikes are broken by the French to stall German advance; the Republicans take over Stockholm with French help'; Turks rebel against Russia will Mosleist support; Burma is now conquered by French Thai-Mughal forces
 * 1940 : A ngered by American support, Japan bombs Port Washington, Portland, Pearl harbor, and numerous naval bases in the Pacific, leadiin to America declaring war on the Mosleist Pact; Napoleon V and Alexander III thank the Americans for their support, as this would lead the turn of the tide of the war in favor of the Entente; Albert Einstein and his team may have discovered a possible new weapon, which is being researched and studied in Paris, New York, and Moscow; with american help, Perisan forces are pushed out of the Mughal Empire;Norway is ravaged by aeriol bombings from Russian warplanes; Bhutan and Nepal are liberated
 * 1941 : The famed D-Day Invasion of northwestern Germany begins; the Republic of the Congo is now taken back into the French Empire, while numerous colonial rebellions in Africa are severly put down; Spanish and Portuguese rebels finally meet their demise in the battle of Madrid, ending their existence once and for all; Japan retreats from Siberia due to the Russian advance; English bombers pour poison gas on New York City, causing millions of deaths; Wales, the Isle of Man, and Brest are taken back by the Irish; the Mosleists of Scandinavia surrender, allowing the Republicans to unite all of Scandinavia
 * 1942 : Pro-French rebels in Germany and Italy take over northern Italy and southern Germany; Persia is finally overrun by Russia; Yugoslavia now only consists of Serbia and Bosnia; Russian-Mughal-Chinese rebels finally subdue the Tibetanese, incorperating it back into China, while the Race to Japan begins; Mosley is assassinated in London by American spies, which would lead to the demoralization of the Mosleist Pact and a victory for the Entente; the Turkish rebellion is now put down; people in British colonies rebel against Mosleist rule knowing that the war was already lost for them
 * 1943 : Pro-French German and Italian rebels overthrow the governments of Berlin and Rome with popular support (when they realized they were losing), allowing them to rejoin France once again; Yugoslavia sues for peace; and is given back its original territory, yet it will be under Greek and Russian occupied zones; England is now subdued by French, American, and Russian troops, with only Japan left to go
 * 1944 : The atomic bomb is now invented, yet it is a contoversy by the Entente whether to use it, but in the end they do; four atomic bombs are dropped in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo, and Yokohama, forcing Japan to surrender; V-Day is celebrated all over the Entente countries, who ended the greatest conflict in the world that ever existed; rebuilding in Europe, Asia, and Africa begins, while the Treaty of Washignton D.C. is signed by Japan, Scandinavia, and the Entente nations, whose terms include:
 * 1) ​Rebuilding will be funded by all nations to repair the war-torn regions of the world and help return to normalcy
 * 2) China will be put back together as one nation, with the Japanese, Russian, and French parts now making up China, though the Guangzhou River Delta Region will still be under French control
 * 3) Japan's military and navy will be limited to 100,000 men and 20 warships
 * 4) Poland, Persia, and Hugnary are now part of Russia
 * 5) England's remaining overseas possessions will go to the following nations: the United States (English northern Atlantic possessions), Scandinavia (Australia and New Zealand), and Greece (English South Africa)
 * 6) England will be divided into three parts; Northern England (under Celtic-American influence), Central England (Russian-Scandinavian influence), and Southern England (French influence)
 * 7) Germany and Italy will no longer be client states but rather part of France
 * 8) Japan will be under American and Russian occupation to rebuild the country and eliminate Mosleism
 * 9) Bhutan and Nepal are now independent nations
 * 10) Yugoslavia will be divided into Greek and Russian occupation zones
 * 11) Micronesia will be given to the United States
 * 12) London will be divided by American, Russian, French, Scandinavian, Greek, Indian, Hispaniolan, and Brazilian zones
 * 13) Burma is now a possession of France
 * 14) England will no longer be a united nation even after the reconstruction
 * 15) Ireland will be able to keep its lost possessions
 * 16) A new, worldwide organization, called the International League, will be formed
 * 1945 : The World Reconstruction begins around all areas in the world affected by the Third Global War; China is revived once again after years of foreign rule under a democratic government, which is under the process of rebuilding and modernization; Japan begins democracy, with the traditional system of Japanese way of life abolished to enocurage more freer lives for the people; Germany and Italy are incorperated into France, while anti-French Germans and Italians are persecuted by their pro-French counterparts, which make up a majority in both countries (65% each); America enters an age of prosperity, finally after the gruesome depression it suffered through, with the seeds of the new pop culture movement about to grow; people in former British colonies riot against their Scandinavian and Greek rulers, yet they are often repulsed, forcing them to migrate to other countries such as the United States; the former Entente nations and France disagree on numerous issues, yet France wants to control all of Europe, which is something the rest of the nations never agreed with, leading to the Cold War: France (and its colonial empire), the Celtic Union, Scandinavia, and Greece were one team, while the United States, Russia, the Mughal Empire, and now, former allies Brazil and Gran Colombia (who shared the same opinions with the United States and Russia about France) on the other team; Napoleon V of France, Franklin Roosevelt of the United States, Chiang Kai-Shek and Mao Zedong of China, Alexander III of Russia, Louis III of Greece, Albar II of the Mughal Empire, Gustaf V of Scandinavia, and Patrick of the Celtic Union are hailed as heroes of the world, having defeated the evil force of Mosleism; Franklin Roosevel dies due to polio
 * 1946 : Greece and Russia hit a dispute over the occupation zones in Yugoslavia, with one wanting the other to withdraw, Alexander III passes away, with Catherine II empress of Russia; pro-French and anti-French Germans and Italians clash in Hamburg and Milan, with the pro-French side gaining the advantage, forcing some anti-French Germans and Italians to flee to Russia, Greece, Yugoslavia, Scandinavia, and the United States; the Baby Boom begins in the United States as medical advances and the desire of large families causes a high birthrate; Catherine II enacts the Catherine Plan, that uses most of the soldiers from the Russian army to help build new cities across the country to support a growing population; Akbar II enacts the Akbar Plan, which starts the building of miltiary buildings and military fortifications on the French Burma-Indian border to counter a possible French invasion; Napoleon V orders the detention of anti-French Germans and Italians into labor camps, who are released by brainwashing them into exchanging their loyalties to France
 * 1947 : Chiang Kai-Shek enacts the Chinese Plan, which begins the rebuilding of the infrastructure, industries, and cities, modernization, and urbanization of the country in order to restore the impoverished, war-torn country; French nuclear secrets are stolen by anti-Germans Harold Ackermann and Karl Strattus, which are given to Russia and America, angering the French who have them executed; Emperor Showa of Japan enacts the Japanese Plan, which begins infrastructure building, economy rebuilding, develop democracy; and the elimnation of Moselist traces in Japan to rebuild his war-torn country; Gran Hispaniola, Brazil, and the United States enact the Americas' Plan, which begins the building of a road system to connect the continents, military bases and fortifications in the Carribean region to counter French power there, and promote economic development; the Panama and Nicagura Canals are officially closed to French (and French-allied) ships
 * 1948 : After a referendum, Korea declares independence from Japan as an independent nation; Greece confiscates American naval bases in their Pacific islands after a bloddy struggle, angrying the Americans, who demand them to apoligize, which is refused; Greece enacts reforms in South Africa, including the ban of arpatheid in the colony, gaiing the pro-Greek sympathy of the blacks, but the opposite sympathy for the white groups (except Greeks); Japan hands China to Taiwan as it is rightly their's; the United States, Russia, and their allies form the Washington Pact to counter growing French power, while Napoleon V begin integregating Spain into the empire from a client state into a province; the oil-rpoducting regions of the Middle East, West Africa, North Africa, East Indies, Canada, Central Africa, and Central Asia begin to reach an era of prosperity, yet the Cold War means that all oil producing regions are under strict control, yet in the Middle East, its is one of the most milizarized areas, where the Russian and French-Greek militaries standoff in the Persian Gulf
 * 1949 : The economies of Korea, Gran Hispaniola, Japan, China, and Brazil are the world's fastest growing economies, with Korea, China, and Japan recovering from the war in outstanding rates, while Brazil and Gran Hispaniola begin to become makor economic powers, with new cities being founed all over Latin America; Japan legalizes Christian missionary work for all; France and the Washington Pact begin mass-producing nukes while security departments are being established and increase worldwide to prevent acts of terrorism or infiltrations; China, Korea, and Japan form the East Asian Economic Community to help rebuild their economies in the region together; Tibetan separatists, supported by the French, bomb Chinese embassies in Japan, Korea, the Mughal Empire, and Russia, forcing China to send troops to Tibet to crackdown on the movement; the French sphere of London begins isolating the rest of the other London spheres, however, it is countered by the London Airlift, forcing Napoleon V to abandon the blockade
 * 1950 : Napoleon V dies in his sleep as a famous, with a massive funeral in Paris in honor of their famed leader since Napoleon I, he is succedded by Napoleon VI, who begins integrating Southern England into the French Empire, much against the wishes of the Washington Pact; German separatists begin bombing French governmental buildings in Berlin and Hamburg; rationing in most of the world has ended; Yugoslavian terrorists bomb Greek governmental buildings in Somalia; pro-French terrorists bomb a U.S. military base in Birmingham; the terrorists responsilbe for the bombing of Chinese embassies are arrested and jailed by the Chinese; the Suburb Age begins in the United States, Gran Hispaniola, Brazil, Russia, France, and the rest of Europe, when new settlements outside urban areas are built (which are known as suburbs), causing a shift of populations in many areas; the occupations of Japan and Yugoslavia end, while Yugoslavia chooses to be with the Marsilles Pact, much against the wishes of America and Russia, who break all ties to the country
 * 1951 : Hungarian and Polish separatist terrorists bomb Russian governmental buidings in Warsaw and Budapest; France sells French Ethiopia to Greece for religious reasons (Ethiopia and Greece are both Orthodox Christian) for 20 million francs; the Carribean War begins between the United States, Gran Hispaniola, and Brazil against France after the USS Roosevelt is sunken by a French warship, with the United States attacking the Greater Antilles while Gran Hispaniola and Brazil attack the Lesser Antilles, while France attacks both of them at the Carribean Sea and at South America; the so-called "Great Wall of Europe" is built after many years between the borders of Russia and Europe; southern England (except for most sections of London) is annexed into France, the English Royal Family returns to England in Birmingham, where they hope to rebuild the war-torn devastated country; many parts of Southern USA, Eastern and Southern Mexico (a region of Gran Hispaniola that covers OTL Mexico except the Yucatan), the Carribean, and French Brazilian-Gran Hispaniolan border are ravaged by airplane strikes, causing mass evacuations
 * 1952 : Akbar II of the Mughal Empire is assassinated by Tibetan separatists while visitng Kathmandu; France begins to hold on some areas of the Carribean region, massacring any Americans and Hispaniolans they could find; France and all of French-allied Europe form the European Economic Union, established to promote economic development in all of Europe (and their overseas colonies); the Mau Mau Uprising in French Kenya leads to the Mau Mau Genocide, causing a massive drop of the Mau Mau population; American Guyana is overrun by French troops, facing heavy resistence from the Americans there; American rebels in French-held Miami assassiante Napoleon VI while visitng the city, forcing Louis XII to take the throne; the International League Headquarters opens in Washington D.C.
 * 1953 : An earthquake hits the Ionian Islands in Greece, devastating the country; in recent polls, it is revealed that 75% of all people in the Russian Empire are Christian, while 15% are Muslim, and the rest are part of eith other religions or simply have no religion; Louis XII forms French Southeast Asia out of French Burma, French Thailand, French Malaya, and French Indochina; American troops manage to liberate the South from French control; the Andes become covered in bomb shells from Hispaniolan planese battling the French forces there
 * 1954 : The Supreme Court declares the segregation of Southern Schools unconstitutional, leading to all schools in the region after the Brown v.s. Board Case, making it the first act of African American rights improvement in the South; Christian missionaries manage to gain converts from China, Korea, and Japan, as assitors of the rebuilding in Asia; the Treaty of Delhi ressolves the territorial disputes between the Mughal Empire and Russia; President MacArthur makes a historic visit to Beijing, who begin to arrange the plan with President Yen of China about dealing with Tibetanese separatists; Havanna is bombed by American planes attempting to eliminate the colonial government there; Mexico City suffers a bombing attack from France; Korean President Kim-Jong visits Tokyo for the first time, who wants to bring Korea closer to Japan; the St. Lawrence Seaway begins construction
 * 1955 : Both sides of the Carribean War agree to a truce, agreeing to return to pre-war borders; due to French control of the Carribean, the Miami Canal begins constructing as a safe way for ships to get through without sailing in French waters; after Rosa Parks refuses to give up her seat to a white man, she is arrested, yet the city's blacks (Montgomery), led by Martin Luther King Jr., begin protesting by boycotting bus rides; ICBMs are invented by the Russians, who turn them into weapons by attaching nculear devices on it; Turks in Ankara, Russian Anatolia harass Russians in Russian communities, leading to riots between the Turks, the police, and the Russians; the Suez Canal is closed to Russian and American ships as a response to the closure of the Panama and Nicagura Canals to French ships, with all oil exports from French-controlled oil-rpoducing areas being diverted from American and Russia, forcing them to turn to renewable energy sources and other oil reservations
 * 1956 : In Dubai, a Russian ship is put under arrest by the French Royal Navy, forcing Russia to guard the Persian Gulf to compete with French influence there, while it sends a squad of troops to rescue the ship, which succeeds; in Constantinople, a Russian suicide bomber damages governmental buildings; the construction of the new capital city of the Mughal Empire, New Delhi, begins, with its buildings filled with a mix of traditional and modern architectures; occupation of England ends, with Northern and Central England forming the newly independent state with Oxford as the capital; Arab tribes in Russian, Greek, and French Arabia rebel against religious discrimination and also for independence, forcing troops from all three colonies to be stationed in the region; the Montgomery Buss Boycott ends when the city government agreed to end the segregation of busses after seeing revenues drop
 * 1957: In Mecca and Medinia, Muslim crowds occupy the holy Islamic mosques, demanding religious freedom and the end of discrimination, yet the Greeks refuse and fire on the crowd; high Muslim persecution in the birthplace of Islam forces Muslims to escape to countries such as the American countries, the Mughal Empire, and England; the border disputes in England escalate, as England sdemands Southern England from the French; the French send the first satelite into space, named the Louis, causing the Russians and the Americans to develop their own space programs to catch up with the French; a school in Little Rock, Arkansas, is forcibly desegregated, yet due to a white mob, troops are deployed there to protect the black students, causing the desegregation of all schools in Arkansas
 * 1958 : A church in Baghdad is blown up by a Muslim separatist group; Pope Pius XII visits Mecca, making it the first Christian ever set foot in the city, who condemns the Greeks for the massacre, which causes him to gain popularity amongst Muslims in the Arab World; the Russian Republican Kingdom (now Russia's official name) establishes a series of "soviet republics", which are based on ethnicity, who have certain semi-autonomous powers (having control over their own domestic affairs, economy, presidents, and militias), yet Moscow has the power to unite them under one economy, one military, single legislature, currecy, foreign affaris, and one leader, which is established in all areas except Poland, Hungary, and the Russian Middle East; Louis XII visits Marsellies, who plans to make it the capital of the French space industry
 * 1959 : The St. Lawrence Seaway is finished building; Kurds demand autonomy from Russia, which is reluctantly accepted frm the government, making it the first "soviet republic" in the Middle East; the building of the churches in Medina and Mecca at the former mosque sites are strongly opposed by Muslim rioters, who clash with Christians and police in the cities, yet the construction sites continue their work unhindered; the Third Temple of Jerusalem begins constructing, based on the plan of the original second one, though it is built on an artificial hill next to Temple Mount; a Mosleist crowd in Birmingham is crushed by the English military, who does not want it to turn to another revolution as before; the London Wall begins construction by Louis XII, makingin sure no Londoners in French London escape to the other sections; New Delhi is finished construction, allowing the goverment and people to move into the new buildings
 * 1960 : Tibetan terrorists bomb a part of northern Mount Everest, causing a massive avalanche that destroys hundreds of villages and hundreds of people, reducing the mountain's height to 28,607 feet; the Aswan High Dam begins construction in Egypt; the so-called "sit-in" protests begin in the Southern United States as part of the Civil Rights Movement; the Muslim separation movement in the Middle East is greatly supressed by the Greek, French, and Russian troops; Australians attack a Swedish community in Melborune, sparking riots between the Swedish and Australian groups as well as the police; President MacArthur makes a historic meeting with Civil Rights leader Martin Luther King Jr., who promises to make sure that blacks can achieve civil rights
 * 1961: Atfer French missles have been deployed into the Carribean islands, the Untied States and Gran Hispaniola respond by threatening war in what is known as the Carribean Missle Crisis which nearly causes a nuclear war, yet it is put down when both sides begin negotiations; the discovery of oil reserves in Venezula (covers OTL Venezula, a region of Gran Hispaniola) causes the government to build a series of oil pipelines to transport oil to the United States and other coutnries; the United States receives large Muslim immigrant populations due to religious persecuted in European-controlled Middle East, causing conflicts with whites in the country; architects begin to build the Church of Saint John in Damscus, where the older version of the church used to sit (Section 3)
 * 1962 : Russian enacts the Arab City Buidling Act, which causes the building of new settlements in Russian Arabia, with water coming in from underground strongly protected water pipes that allow water to be stored and used in water-saving ways; Russia launches the Peter, a satelitte, while America launches the George, also a satelitte, making them the next nations to put a satelitte to space; more Muslims riot against Greek rule in Mecca and Medina, yet Greek soldiers shoot the crowd, causing many dead, and the holy mosque in Mecca is damaged in the process; America's NSA (National Space Agency), France's NAO (National Astronomy Organization) and Russia's NSU (National Space Union) are established; while visiting Nepal, Kim Jong is injured by a Tibetan separatist gunman, yet he is captured before he can escape
 * 1963 : A recent poll indicates that 26% of Koreans, 31% of Japanese, and 21% of Chinese are Christians due to the influence of Christian missionaries; civil rights protestors and whites clash in Birmingham, causing numerous deaths, injuries, and damage; hundreds of thousands of blacks march to Washington D.C., who demand for the end of black discrimination in the South; a program of "land reclaiming", dam, dike, and levee building, and "underground cities" begins in the Netherlands and Belgium, where Louis XII hopes to claim land from the sea to support the growing population; a church in Riyadh is blown up by Al-Qaeda terrorists
 * 1964 : A recent poll indicates that 87% of Africans are now Christians due to European influence; the Floridan Canal is completed, allowing ships to get safe passage to the Atlantic Ocean without going through the French Carribean; the pan-Balkanism movement begins in Belgrade, who call for the unification of Greece and Yugoslavia into the Balkan Republic, while its is supported by France, it unsuprisingly is opposed from Russia; President Truman enacts the Civil Rights Act, which ends all discrimination on blacks and other minorities, which is applied to the South (since the North was completly segregation-free), yet very diffcult to enforce, forcing the army to interfere; the Mughals grant the Kashmiris and Afganis autonomy after years of protest
 * 1965 : The Apollo Program is established by the NAO, who manage to get the first man into space ahead of France and Russia; England declares itself neutral from Cold War matters to prevent French aggression; poll taxes are banned in the United States, Truman meets with Civil Rights Movement leaders who plan the future for blacks in Southern U.S.A.; Russia threatens to intervene if Yugoslavia and Greece united, forcing both countries to denounce the movement to prevent Russian aggression; U.S. Navy captures a Swedish shop that crossed into New Guinea waters, forcing the Swedish Navy to apoligize and take back the ship in exchange; the Russians finally launch a man into space; blacks and white Civil Rights Movement supporters clash with whites in St. Augustine after Truman was raped and eventually killed by two Ku Klax Klan members in the city, damaging the peaceful portion of the movement; Central England declares its independence from England, which is pro-French, which starts the English War when the United States, Russia, China, Japan, Korea, the Mughal Empire, and Northern England invade Central England to prevent French domination in the region
 * 1966 : The Tibetanese separation movement loses most support and its membership after China agrees to give Tibet semi-autonomy; French-Burmese soldiers capture an Indian who accidentaly crossed the border, yet he is returned after an apology from the border police; for the first time, China is now self-sufficient in food just like the rule of the dynasties; Muslim refugees and Christian whites clash in New York City and Boston; the Third Temple of Jerusalem finishes building, yet it is protested by many Muslims, but praised by the Jews; in a recent poll 96% of all Russian Central Asians, 94% of Russian Caucasians, and 84% of Russian Middle Easterners are Christians, while Islam is on the verge of declining; Persian separatists bomb a church in Tehran; things do not look well for the Coalition as the Celtic Nacy constantly raids supply ships to the Coalition Forces, while the English countryside is ravaged by war once again
 * 1967 : Russia and China sign the Russian-Chinese Partnership, which allows Russia to build oil pipelines from Siberia to China to develop its economy, though some Chinese oppose this, as they want the country to depend on other sources from China; the United States finally gets a man on the moon first, though France and Russia have also done the same thing at the very same moment, with France second and Russia third; Sweden begins the construction of the Oresundbrudge to connect Denmark with Sweden; the London Wall is completed, spliting London into two, much to the dismay of the city's people; the Celtic Union establishes relations with England for the first time since the Third Great War, much to the chagrin of both sides of the Cold War; the English Royal Family are captured by a pro-French mob in York despite the police's best efforts and are executed in Paris by the guillotine, while anti-war protests in the Coalition nations begin to mount on
 * 1968 : Martin Luther King Jr. avoids an assassination attempt while in Memphis, Tenessee, yet the news causes riots all over the Southern cities; white South Africans protest Greek supremacy in the government, which is brutally halted by the military; President Truman enacts the Muslim Protection Act, which helps provide Muslims equal rights as whites and blacks; many Southern states have now been desegregating except South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, and North Carolina; the first urban vertical farm is built in Paris, a striking achievement in architectural and urban history; Pope Paul VI condemns birth control after it was legalized in the United States; American planes bomb Birmingham in what would become the Birmingham Massacre, as million perish in the bombing, causing even more anti-war discontent at home; the World Trade Center, a tall, enormous skyscraper complex in New York City, begins construction
 * 1969 : Due to the success of the moon landing, the NAO begins launching several new satelites into the space zone, while France and Russia do the same; all cities and states in the South have officially desegregated, with the blacks ad anti-segregationsits finally achieving their goal they had waited for for many years; Santa Barbara suffers an oil spill a size not seen by the nation; independence riots spark across the Arabian Peninsula in Russian, Greek, and French controlled areas, yet the military has slaughtered many of the protestors; due to a blockade by the Swedish navy and cleary the fact the Russians can't find an easier path, Russia is forced to take its troops back home, yet it will continue the war effort by sending in weapons and military supplies; Steve Jobs and his team make the world's first computer, causing a revolution in the world of technology
 * 1970 : The Aswan Dam finishes construction, with plans to build even a greater project known as the New Nile Project, which would create a new river and fill up the Qattara Depression with water; Alexander II of Greece visits Tokyo, who meets with the prime minister; the Republic of Asia Constitution is drawn up in Tokyo, where the nations of Korea, Japan, and China hope to unite into one nation; all of America's Pacific territories are now considered states, yet they are highly protected due to the presence of the French and her allies in the region; Chinese-Japanese-Korean troops attempt to invade Birmingham, yet are turned back due to lack of supplies; the Chicago Tower begins construction; Project Great Dragon in the Asian Union and Project Smiling Buddha in the Mughal Empire are established, whose goal is to develop nuclear weapons
 * 1971 : China, Japan, and Korea unite to form the Republic of Asia (also commonly known as the Asian Union); many Russian-held areas in the Middle East (except the Arabian Peninsula) are now soviet republics, leaving only Russian Arabia as the only exception; the Sahara Drug Trade is established by crime lords in the region, which to this day remains a major problem as most of the drugs get sold worldwide, while France struggles to end the "criminal rebellion"; the Qattara Project begins; the anti-war protests and the growing cost of the war forces the Coaltion with the two Englands and France and her allies to declare a cease-fire; the Church of Saint Paul in Damascus is completed, which looks similar to the St. Peter's Cathedral in ROme
 * 1972 : Louis XII and President Joseph Kennedy sign the Nculear Limitation Treaty, whcih bans all testing of nuclear weapons; Russia and France stand off in the Persian Gulf Crisis, which causes a massive raise oil prices all around the world, causing the Panic of 1972; Swedes outnumber native Austrialians and New Zealanders for the first time, do to immigration of Swedes and emigration of the native population; the oil crisis forces many countries to use renewable methods; a pro-Muslim coup led by Osama Bin Laden deposes Russian governmental officials and declares Arabia independent from Russia, with France supporting Bin Laden, forcing the Russians to end te Persian Oil Crisis under two conditions: France will let Russian ships in their waters in exchange, Greece and Yugoslavia are allowed to unite; Greece and Yugoslavia form the Balkan Union, with celebration going on around the cities
 * 1973 : English War ends when Central England takes over Northern England, much to the dismay of the former Coalition nations; the Amerindian Civil Rights Movement begins occupying areas in numerous cities in the Great Plains States; the Chicago Tower is finished construction; Greek Lebanon and Syria are officially incorperated in the Balkan Union as provinces due to the large Greek and Greek-Arab populations there; Russia invades Arabia, where they capture Riyadh and force Osama Bin Laden to flee; despite the end of the Persian Oil Crisis, oil prices begin to rise worldwide due to the French monopoly
 * 1974 : Osma Bin Laden establishes Al-Qaeda, an infamous internation terrorist group that still exists today; a rebellion by Persian Muslims in Tehran is crushed by Russian troops; the Jewish Civil Rights Movement is formed, who protest in St. Petersburg, yet are put down brutally by the troops, causing great discontent in the government; after an anti-French protest in York, numerous Brits flee the country in the United States; both the Asian Union and the Mughal Empire finally detonate their nuclear bombs; Nepal and Bhutan request the Asian Republic to join the country, which is accepted; Amerindians in the United States and police clash in numerous cities, such as Topeka, Helena, and Cheyenne
 * 1975 : French-Thai Buddhists in Bangkok stage a protest, demanding the end of religious discrimination, yet it is met harshly by the French Foreign Legion Military, however, Louis XII expresses great concern for the lack of religious freedom in the empire; Saharan Criminals bomb governmental buildings in Timbuktu, forcing the French Foreign Legion Military to deploy troops to protect the city from separatists; American Muslims burn French, Balkan, and Russian Flags in Washington D.C., while the Americans praised the burning of French and Balkan Flags, many are angered of the burning of Russian Flags, while the American government condemns it (and of course France, the Balkan Union, and Russia); due to uprisings in Northern England, Louis XII declares a genocide of Brits, forcing even more to evacuate to the United States; the American government enacts the Native American Land Act, giving the Amerindians unused land surroudning their reservations; due to the supression of the Jewish Civil Rights Movement, millions of Russians protest against the government, begining the Russian Revolution; Nintendo revolutionizes the video gaming industry by releasing Super Mario Bros. for the NES; Louis XII declares the English Genocide on all Brits not loyal to the French, forcing millions to flee from Europe
 * 1976 : Indian Communists revolt in Delhi, forcing Akbar II to declare martial law in the city and massacre any Communists in the country, begining the Red Mughal Terror; Louis XII is assassinated by a Northern English Brit while sleeping in the Birmingham Palace, causing Charles X to become French emperor; the English Genocide ends as Charles X has greatly condemned it; due to the high presence of French people in North Africa, it is now incorperated into France as provinces; Indian Communists and the army clash in Mumbai and Kolkatta; Catherine II is forced to abdicate the throne to Prime Minister Alexei Kosygin, who declares the Russian Republic; Apple Inc. is established by Steve Jobs and his team while Apple Computers become sold all across the world; the Internet, websites, CDs, and video game consoles for computers and televisions become greatly popular amongst many people
 * 1977 : Alexei's greatest achievement is revealed when he declares the end of racial discrimination to all non-Slavs and Muslims, ending the years of persecution and segregation the two groups suffered; three Christian churches in Cairo are bombed by Al-Qaeda, causing world awareness of the group; Al-Qaeda signs a deal with the Saharan Crime Lords, establising an unbreakable bond that will allow them to control the Saharan region from France and other Muslim areas; smallpox, polio, measles, and malaria are officially irradicated, making it a major victory in the history of medicine; Paul Allen (a member of Steve Job's team) founds his software company Microsoft, which will become on eof the biggest technological corporations in the United States
 * 1978 : Most Communist rebels in the Mughal Empire and irradicated from the country, yet extensive damage can be seen all over, but the government is too slow to respond, causing great discontent among the people; the Tiger's Age occurs in the Asian Union, when the country begins a period of rapid economic prosperity not seen since the World Reconstruction, allowing faster modernization and urbanization
 * 1979 : The World Trade Center is finished with construction, making it a center for world finance and commerce; the military mutinies against the Mughal government, who join the rebellion, forcing Akbar III to abdicate the throne, allowing democracy to be established led by Indras Gandhi; Charles X begins integrating England into France as a province; Scandinavia, the Celtic Union, and the Balkan Union all outlaw the death penalty seeing that crime is very low (only in the colonies, this is an exception (for Scandinavia and the Balkan Union); Osama Bin Laden makes a speech, calling for Muslims and Arabs to rebel against European rule, yet this video is intercepted by the polices of those nations, yet the vidoe was shown in the United States, Gran Hispaniola, Scandinavia, and the Asian Union; the Three Mile Island accident at the Three Mile Island nuclear plant occurs, though it is not as bad as many specualted it to be
 * 1980 : Charles X meets with President Prescott Bush, who hopes to end the Cold War and begin negotiations, which is celebrated by both sides, who finally can see an end to an era of tensions, fragile peace, and of course, any threat for a nuclear war; the Medina Church (which sits on the former site of the mosque) is destroyed by radical Islamist suicide terrorists, forcing the Balkan government to send more troops to the area; President Bill Gates is almost assassinated in Boston by two gunmen; for the first time since the Third Great War, Scandinavia and Russia re-establish diplomatic ties; demonstrations occur in both sides of the Cold War, who want to end the use and possession of nuclear weapons
 * 1981 : The Protestant Irish Army develops in Northern Ireland, who seek independence from the Celtic Union, who begin their first act of terrorism by blowing up governmental buildings in Belfast, forcing the government to re-establish the death penalty there and begin a crackdown on the movement; an Al-Qaeda terrorist almost murders Pope John Paul II while giving a speech in Jerusalem; France, Russia, and America sign the first NWD (Nuclear Weapons Disposal) Treaty, which removes nuclear warheads up to 95%; AIDS is first identified in an impoverished region of French West Africa, which would soon be one of the most dangerous diseases in the world
 * 1982 : The fishing of whales is now banned by nearly every country except the Asian Union, India, and Scandinavia; it is revealed that 76% of American households, 79% of French households, 71% of Russian households, 88% of Scandinavian households, 81% of Balkan households, 91% of Asian households, 77% of Indian households, and 80% of Hispaniolan households have computers; the English War Memorial begins construction in Washington D.C. despite criticism from the war veterans; the U.S. government turns down a law banning the death penalty despite protests; all nations of the Cold War (the United States, Gran Hispaniola, Russia, Asian Union, India, France, Greece, the Balkan Union, Scandinavia) meet in Geneva, with diplomats hoping to end all hostilities
 * 1983 : Charles X meets with Russian President Mikhail Gorbachev, who agree to end high military naval presence in the Persian Gulf; Asiana Airlines Flight 87 is shot down in French-Indochinese, yet the military deeply apoligizes, saying it although it has violated airspace, they never knew it was a civilian plane; Prime Minister Arnold Schwarsenegger visits the United States, meeting with President Prescott Bush, who agree to end the targeting of nuclear warheads to each other nations; Al-Qaeda terrorisits hold 170 Christians in an Assyrian-Russian church hostage, and after 20 hours, the army storms the building, with 111 dead, including the 15 terrorists
 * 1984 : The Tamil Uprising begins in Northern Greek Ceylon, forcing the Greek army to deploy troops to the area, which would lead to violence in the island; the Indian Constitution is reformed, which allows more individual rights unlike the previous one, which only allowed limited rights; the first space colony is established on the Moon, though it is rather just a bunch of small space pods than a real mini-town; Hindi-Sikh riots in Punjab force the army to storm the Golden Temple, angering the SIkhs which begins the Sikh Uprising in the Punjab; the Shuttle Jupiter in France is launched into space, followed by the American Shuttle Atlantis and the Russian shuttle Alexander; an assassination attempt on Charles X by a Al-Qaeda terrorist is thwarted by the police
 * 1985 : The Qattara Depression begins to fill up with water; Al-Qaeda expands its influence to Russian Central Asia, where a small fraction of the remaining Muslims there join the group to perserve Islam in the region; President Donald Dewar of the Celtic Union is murdered by Protestant Irish Army terrorist John Hinckley, causing riots between Protestants and Catholics in Edinsburgh and Dublin; the world reaches a population of 6 billion, with most of the poplation concentrated in Europe, Mexico, French Brazil, the eastern and western coasts of the United States, Western Russia, the Asian Union, Southeast Asia, India, and Central Africa; Greek Somalia is struck by a famine after wheat rust plagues the region, causing most of the world to send humantarian aid to the region, though this does cause some Muslims in the region to join Al-Qaeda
 * 1986 : The United States is struck by tragedy after United Airlines Flight 175 hits a helicoptor and crashes onto the bottom section of the North Tower of the World Trade Center, which falls and crashes onto the South Tower which later falls as well, causing a great calamity for the country, Osama Bin laden releases a message, confessing that the planes was hijacked, yet it never ment to hit the towers, stating it was to crash onto the plane Charles X was on while visiting Cuba, causing anger among Americans and causing riots between Muslims and Americans in cities across the East Coast; France begins the construction of the Channel Tunnel to connect French England with continental Europe; the Chernobyl disaster strikes the soviet republic of Ukraine, forcing the town of Chernobyl to be abandoned, causing a great health and environmental crisis in Eastern Europe
 * 1987 : The Qattara Project is compelted, making it one of the greatest feats of engineering; a hotel in Delhi is severely damaged by Sikh terrorists, forcing the Indian government tod eclare the Punjabi War to clean the region of any terrorists; Greek governmental buildings in Colombo are damaged by Tamil terrorists, while in Jaffna, the Greek army defeats Tamil separatists in the area; the English War Memorial is finally completed after years of construction; a design to rebuild the World Trade Center in the United States is chosen, this time, it will have safer supports, due to the weaknesses of the North Towers that cause it to collapse; President Jian Zemin of the Asian Union meets with Charles X, who agree that the Guangzhou River Delta will return to Asian rule in 1997
 * 1988 : Scandinavia, France, the Balkan Union, and Russian sign an agreement that eliminates militarized zones in all European seas; Al-Qaeda terrorists assassinate King Charles of Greece in Mogadishu; Paul Allen becomes the world's richest man due to his successes in the technological industry; some oil-producing parts of French West Africa are controlled by Al-Qaeda,who use the money they gain from the revenue to increase funding for the group; Greece ends the discrimination of Muslims inspired by the events in Russian years ago; Muslims and Christians clash at Temple Mount, causing damage to the Dome of the Rock, the Third Jersualem Temple, and the Al-Asqa Mosque
 * 1989 : Charles X enacts the Religious Freedom Act, ending the years of religious discirmiantio and segregation of non-Christian and non-Jewish religiou sgroups; Charles X reforms the European administative regions of France, which are reformed into Duchies, including the Duchy of France, Duchy of England, the Duchy of the Netherlands, the Duchy of Germany, the Duchy of Italy, the Duchy of Portugal, Duchy of Spain, and the Duchy of the Basque; the London Wall in French England is toppled down by joyous Londoners; Russia, France, Scandinavia, and the Balkan Union begin tearing down military barricades in the Russo-Franco-Balkan-Scandinavian borders
 * 1990 : Charles X and President Steve Wozniak declare the end of the Cold War, which is met with celebratios worldwide, reliefed that the greatest era of fear as finally ceased to exist; the Paris Pact is reformed into the European League, made up of the nations who made up the former Paris Pact, while the Washington Pact is reformed into the AAP (American, Asian, and Pacific) League, made up of the nations of the former Washington Pact; Gran Hispaniola and France reestablish ties since the Cold War, with both countrie shoping to bring themselves closer economically and diplomatically; most of the Tamil rebels in Greek Ceylon have been extingusihed, though there is great rebuilding needed to be done; most of the Protestaant Irish Army is eradicated in Northern Ireland, allowing death penalty to be abolished; Charles X enacts the Oil Development, which uses oil revenue to modernize, urbanize, and develop the oil proudicing regions within the French Empire, including French West Africa, French Congo, French Middle East, the French Southeast Asia, French North Africa, and French Brazil; former Indian president Indra Gandhi is assasinated by a Punjabi Sikh terrorist; Osama Bin Laden claims that the centralmost part of Russian Arabia, northern French North Africa, Darfur, and parts of Pashtunistan are now under Al Qaeda control
 * 1991 : The International League's members meet in Geneva to discuss the issue of AIDS and what would is the best they can muster to stop or at least slow down the spread of the disease; the South African Freedom Movement emerges in Greek controlled (former British) South Africa, forcing Greece to declare war against the movement and send troops to the colony; Charlex X sends more troops to the Saharan region to take back control of some of the stolen oil fields from Al-Qaeda; Charles X bans all alcohol in certain regions in the French-controlled Arab World; the French secret police is now disbanded by Charles X due to the lack of suspected governmental distrust over the years; Albanians once again rebel for indepedence as well as the Bosniaks, who had enough of the oppression, forcing the Balkan Union to declare war against the rebels by sending troops to the regions
 * 1992 : International League Secretary General Hu Jintao forms the UN Mandates, which establishes protected zones in certain areas where most needed; French Foreign Legion troops seize Darfur from Al-Qaeda, despite the bloodshed they endured; Sarajevo is overrun by Bosnian separatists in the Balkan military; Charles X begins a series of reforms in the country, begining with a certain degree of freedom of press and media as long as it is not against the government or the country; Falun Gong is founded in Hong Kong by Li Hongzhi; the euro currency becomes common in all European countries except Russia; a numerber of hurricanes smash the coasts of the Gulf of Mexico, including the United States, Gran Hispaniola, and the French Carribean, causing a humantarian crisis; Pope John Paul II declares the Galileo Galilei is confirmed innocent from heresy; Babri Masjid, a mosque in Ayodhya, India, is wrecked by a joint-force of Christians and Hindus, leading to the Mumbai riots; the Roman Catholic Church finally allows women to have positions in the church and the papacy; parts of South Africa are claimed by the rebels, mostly Afrikanner and English; Mogadishu faces siege from Somalian separatists, though it is repulsed in just a few minutes
 * 1993: Inspired by the World Trade Center in the United States, many other countries, including Europe, Russia, India, Gran Hispaniola, and the Asian Union begin building their own World Trade Centers; ten car bombs kill hundreds and injure thousands in Mumbai by Al-Qaeda as a response to the destruction of the mosque a year ago; the International League declares tuberculosis, chickenpox, yaws, yellow fever, and the flu to be eradicated, making it another achievement in medical history; a chlorea outbreak occurs in Eastern Bengal, forcing the Indain government to declare the region an emergency zone; Rhodesia declares indepdence from Greece, forcing France to intervene and prevent their indepednence; Southern Somalia is claimed by Al-Qaeda and Somalian separatists; most of the Bosniaks and Albanians are eradicated by Balkan forces, who either died or fled to other countries

​How does it look? RandomWriterGuy 23:36, March 9, 2012 (UTC)-->

For the Sikh War, yeah.... It was probably a mistake I made lol. For Burma, it was not to go to India and was to be kept by the British as part of the treaty (which I added). Bahadar Shah II was the last Mughal emperor before his exile into Burma in OTL. That means that the Mughal Empire will survive, yet it will be overthrown later. The Pashtunistan invasion was caused due to pro-imperialist sentiment in the empire. RandomWriterGuy 17:07, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Alt Philippines
I'm not sure how this would affect Philippine history. Maybe a more united revolutionary movement? I don't know. I'm more of a current events kind of guy. But I'm willing to look into your ideas, see what you have in mind. Godfrey Raphael 10:45, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

I think your premise is very interesting. Plus, it would mean that PH could effectively control the Spratlys and Sabah. I'm a firm believer that the Philippines has a good claim on the Spratlys, unlike China, which is just trying to bully us w/ their big size and tech. Godfrey Raphael 09:34, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Hey! It looks almost like my nation in NationStates! Of course, there, my country occupies that along w/ Myanmar, Japan, and the Korean Peninsula. And it's also similar to the Philippine Empire in Alternity.

Philippine-Japanese alliance in WW2? That's certainly something I'd like to see! Godfrey Raphael 10:49, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

...And it's possible that the Philippines, India, and Japan could form a third bloc in the Cold War.

Of course, this would also alter the fates of the Korean and Vietnam Wars, if they'll even happen at all! Godfrey Raphael 13:56, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Reply
Your welcome. As for the second question, it's the former (first choice)...

In case your going to ask about why I sign/rather be referred to as Kogasa, is because one: Kogasa Tatara (where I got the name from) is one of my favourite characters from the 東方Project, and two: I just think it's a cool name.

Yes, it's may be kind of odd, but I just like the name so... -Kogasa 16:11, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

The Usual
One about them buying more planes, sure. No reason to do one about industry or the harvest, mind, I think. Lordganon 00:40, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Hmmmm.... yeah, I suppose one marking the opening of a new factory somewhere would work. Lordganon 02:39, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Unlikely. Lordganon 19:28, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Imp, if you're going to comment on things - especially in what amount to votes - on the main DD page, could you at least read more than the last post before yours? Many reasons have been given as to why Caer has no grounds for what he's claiming in that post that you're missing, in addition to dozens of other things, that you're missing out on. That post is one small point, of many. I've got to ask - could you please retract that statement, or at least the first sentence, until you're read some of it, and/or on tribal relations in general? Lordganon 09:09, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

G.A.
I'm going to be inactive until further notice and i am giving control of the GA and my nation to you. Establish a colony just above the United Amazon one and be peaceful and scientific. Also expand all colonies steadily. Thanks, FP 09:15, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

hey Imp i have a request for you.

can you add a profile for it, the one their is all I can do, I would like to add the flag and can youdd the languages, religions, formation date, etc categories, you dont have to fill them out, I will put in the info, but the categroies I dont know how to oput them in. you can delete the profile there already if you need to. the page I need the profile for is this



please tell me if you can

thanks Imp

DeanSims 17:21, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

formation 1795, religion: chrsitianty, protestant and catholcism, coat of arms:

type of alliance: a defensive allaince but will go on offense if in its members best interests.

it looks great, nice job Imp, and thank you. DeanSims 17:58, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Check
Hey, check this out ! RandomWriterGuy 21:56, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Come on, why don't you lie him! Everybody loves Justin Bieber! *Baby Baby Baby Ohhhh* RandomWriterGuy 02:07, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

No no no. He's sexy and handsome and all the girls love him. Even men love him! (especially celebrities!) :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D RandomWriterGuy 16:52, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

i left a mesage on RWG's page, and I saw your message. he does suck (bieber), his voice sounds like a 6 year old. probably becasue he hasnt eached puberty yet. ;) DeanSims 17:48, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

yep. honestly, he looks like achick with his hair like that, and he has highlights, put that with his voice and his failure to reach puberty, I could mistake for a tall 12 year old girl. DeanSims 20:02, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

yep DeanSims 20:10, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

He's 18! He's already mature! RandomWriterGuy 22:09, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
Hi, I'm back (after my studies) and would like to ask you something. Doomsday is a Map Game? In this case, as might participate? Greetings!. (Jaeden Cuenta Cuentos 19:40, March 5, 2012 (UTC)).


 * Well I'd be interested to join. Where would you suggest my "country"?. Thanks for the info (Antarctic Empire ... hmmmmmmmm [?]). (Jaeden Cuenta Cuentos 15:02, March 6, 2012 (UTC)).

Principia Moderni
Just wondering, your a fairly active map gamer right? Well how come you don't play Principia Moderni (Map Game)? Its probably the best map game on the wiki :P VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 20:00, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Well I just looked at the nation list, and there are 3 countries listed as being in the Indian subcontinent (assuming thats the subcontinent you meant :P) you could be Bharat, Govapuri or Kalikut. Just sayin' VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 20:09, March 6, 2012 (UTC).

Maybe not your first go, but as soon as you like really; I mean there's no rules against it so you could do :P

As for the "complex math" its quite simple really, just look in the rules and familarize yourself.

Probably the most complicated bit is the stability bonus stuff, even I don't have a clue what that's about; Scandinator tends to do all that stuff. I mean I've played for nearly 100 years now and stability hasn't really affected me much. I may be missing a trick a here though :P

But anyway rather than babble on needlessly (I got some reading I need to be doing for Uni seminar 2moz) just read through the rule page and then ask me about the areas your unsure about, and I'll smooth those areas down to size, but you should be fine really :) VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:21, March 6, 2012 (UTC).

While I do have a puppet state controlling most of Java, that other nation around Jakarta is an independent ex-Mayan colony. As for joining with you against Naples-Hungary, and later Persia no doubt, we'll have to see. I'll be your ally for sure but I want them to be allies too. I'll certainly try to mediate, but atm I don't wanna pick a fight with Naples, Hungary or Persia. I've got a load of territory to colonize after I finish the war with Hanathwaddy, so more territory atm isn't my main concern. Try to think this less as a game, but more as a live collaborative timeline, and you'll do better ;) VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:35, March 6, 2012 (UTC).
 * O.K. Fair enough. RandomWriterGuy 22:30, March 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh and I'm in the live chat atm if u wanna join me VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:37, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

TGN
Aha, thanks for that coding fix I'll have to get rid of the rest later. And I think I named it after, an Arctic explorer in OTL, that would instead be a Greenlandic explorer in OTL for the British (since he's Scottish). He would have to have an Alternate Destiny with him staying a commander with the British however, because he became a Swedish Naval commander in the 1800s. ChrisL123 22:53, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Eventual stuff
...That's not quite what I said. What I said was that such a war would only occur after uniting the subcontinent.

Any war with Pakistan at this time, barring the use of their nukes - not an option - would mean a UIP loss, fairly fast. Yes, they'd have numbers (though, not near so good as in otl) but the Pakistanis would have an edge in quality, and the advantage.

That rebellion spreading is more or less not possible. Besides, it's a touch open-ended, if you'll notice. It may not ever occur. The Tamils wouldn't join, either - the state may be autocratic, but they ae the ones being oppressed.

Pakistan wouldn't try to take land. They, at this time, already have the Muslim border regions. No way they want to add more Hindus.

No way after a loss to Pakistan that the UIP could do anything like that. Heck, if they were to lose in that context, they'd lose a lot of ground they've already clawed back in the region.

At this point...

Maybe, just maybe, we'll look at something in the fall or the winter. I figure that's enough time for the relations with the Soviets would bear some good fruit.

Bodoland, Kamtapur, and Tula Nada would be the first targets. First one is needed to allow access to UIP Assam by land, and the latter are small and weak ones, with Kamtapur even being more or less entirely split into two unconnected sections. Past that, the northeast in general is likely the main target, overall, of the next series of moves. They're weaker, and taking them would mean more troops able to be devoted elsewhere.

Lordganon 07:17, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I'm sure you will be, in some form.

Yeah, nearly all would be maoist/marxist.

I'd imagine that a couple of them would form insurgencies. But, they are pretty small states, all things considered - uprisings would be pretty crushable. There's a lot of very good tactics that have been used against rebels of that nature in history - ones which the UIP can likely use, but otl nations really cannot. Have a look at British tactics towards the end of the Boer War.

Lordganon 00:31, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Much more so, it's that media doesn't exist on the same level atl as in otl.

Yeah, often times you'll get those particular badges and not notice it.

Lordganon 14:46, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Something to work on, lol. Lordganon 23:21, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

G.A
I've left the game, and control is going to you and Pumpkin. I've also suggested to IhaveSonar to apply for a mod spot, as he has been with us for a while. I hope your OK with that. FP 10:27, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Neapolitan India
I didn't mean to spy on your talk page, but when I was trying to find out if the map of the Persian land sale to India was accepted, I found the part where you mentioned wanting to drive the Neapolitans out of India. Now, I have no problem with losing the colony for Naples (I am planning for Naples to enter a weak period in a couple decades, and lose several colonies). However, I do wish to control that area as a free former colony later, and one way the Neapolitans got the natives subdued was by pitting them against the northern Indians, so I don't want Bharat to just conquer it. So I thought up a deal:

Bharat can drive the Neapolitans out of India, but Neapolitan India will become its own nation, not just join up with Bharat, so I will still control it. However, it will become a constitutional monarchy, and its monarch will be the Maharaja of Bharat, so it will be in dynastic union and it will be Bharat's color on the map. If you agree to this condition, then I'll let you drive Naples out without an algorithm, so you wouldn't have to worry about winning a war by the algorithm to do so, making your victory sure. I would also prefer that the war happen no earlier than 15 years from now.

LurkerLordB (Talk) 01:55, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Also, what is the denonym of Bharat? Bharatese? Bharatite? Bharatan? LurkerLordB (Talk) 01:56, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, it will be like Sweden and Finland, with Bharat being the stronger in the union. I'll have the system of the Mahajanapadas, I'll work out where each will go. LurkerLordB (Talk) 17:51, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Making a CoA


Saw the CoA you made for Donskoya, very nice. Actually, I wanted to ask you a favor. Can you take my hand-drawn CoA and make it look like something made on a computer? I would deeply appreciate your help. Godfrey Raphael 13:18, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Um, that wasn't really what I had in mind. But I'll find a use for it. Thanks for the effort though! Godfrey Raphael 12:19, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Flag Help?
Hey it's me again. I noticed your skill at making really good flags recently, and I was wondering if you could help me. I am trying to create a flag for Egypt, but I want to incorporate more christian/coptic elements in it. This is because more of Egypt is christian in my timeline. Just so you know, I was thinking of keeping the golden Eagle on the flag, but keeping the red stripe as well as adding coptic symbols and colors. I can try explaining more if you want. If you could help me with that I would be very grateful. Monster Pumpkin 21:07, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, Sims has been a bit of a loose cannon lately. I don't know if you have looked at the greater americas recently, but he was gone for a week and when he came back he made a map where he had most of East Asia. I couldn't really let that slide, and now he's mad at me. I wonder what he will do next weekend, lol.

About the flags:

Generally I would like it if you could somehow combine these two flags. Preferably I think you could keep the Red, Black, and white with the modern flag and add blue and the coat of arms in the middle somewhere, maybe in the middle of the eagle. Thanks. Monster Pumpkin 21:28, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for trying; I am looking forward to what you have. Thanks again. Monster Pumpkin 21:43, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the flags. I am going to only perform a small change, but thanks for what you have done. :) Monster Pumpkin 22:55, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

PM Map
Can u put my edits on the Principia Moderni map for me because pixlr hasn't been working. FP 10:05, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Can you do it for me, I'm very impatient! FP 10:14, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

LOL! FP 10:36, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Pax Columbia
I saw the template page and i ABSOLUTELY love the help. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I have already edited it :>) CassAnaya 13:47, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

India! ohh hoh hooo hooooo! I love it man. admittedly I have been concentrating on south american and european history. but the story of Pax columbia has a really interesting turn for india. with 25% of the population of the world it is ripe for some awesomeness. I will LOVE looking at your contributions! Thank you :>)CassAnaya 13:55, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

It's a good point. I think i put that in there to try and be interesting. But since 'Hindu' is basically an invention of british colonialists, the idea might be odd. I needed some excuse for indian expansion into tibet and agression into bangladesh without using communism as a scapegoat. But perhaps, just nationism is enough. Either way, the modern india can't be democractic and must be more emperial. no need for theocracy, because your point is SUPER valid. :>)

I just read your suggestion, the backlash of muslim unrest shows you have a GREAT grasp on how history works. I think the original point is valid and the idea of a hindu theocracy is a little too silly. We still have the problem of explaining an Indian Empire expansion in the modern (Post WWII era.) your thoughts? :>)CassAnaya 14:56, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Exactly! I like the idea of a Hindu Council, very cool :>) the idea of there being no more empires in the modern age is odd if you think about it. Like Norm Chomesky said about the british that they were the most democratic society internally at the time, but during thier empire they were horrific externally. India is the last remaining empire in this ALT so to speak. CassAnaya 15:24, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

That is even better. a very large country in the modern age which just slowly absorbs, sometimes by REALLY questionably moral means. The population would make it also so large that the FSC (USA equivilent) finds it self surpassed by India in GDP, lets say like, this year or last year. That creates a really interesting shift in global power and a new dual hegemon situation (but nothing like the cold war, kind of like today with the India/China/EU/USA economic cold war/Globalization)CassAnaya 08:23, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

I changed the Gandhi stuff, he is now a tragic figure in the hindi uprising, still consistent with his character but the revolution gets out of hand and violent and he is assassinated. The rest seems consistent. thank you for the input. I have enjoyed this colaboration and your interest in my ALT. you're input is intelligent, consise and much appreciated. CassAnaya 11:04, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Changed :>) CassAnaya 12:59, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

lurker
ImperiumGuy, you really shouldn't have editted that map, you are not a mapmaker or even a moderator. LurkerLordB (Talk) 22:53, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Can you take over my countires please?
can you? DeanSims 17:04, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Araro
Sorry for the late response, didn't catch it of course you can delete old crap :D PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 19:34, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Poetic Justice
Actually, I'm a Star Wars fan. And I'm a liberal. I had the two backwards when I was writing that.

Anyways, I think the idea of that Star Trek Nation is great. I can help you with a page for that. And yes, Trek movies were on at that time. Maybe the eventually sought out one of the Trek characters to be their god/leader. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:50, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Ok. Oh and by the way, are you Canadian? Because I hate Stephen Harper and the Conservative Party profoundly. Liberal lapdogs? Never heard of them. And US Democrats aren't all that bad, although they blame the idiotic Repubicans for everything, although that is true.

But I think we might need to flesh out the history for the Star Trek Federation. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:16, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

I just realized that the latest film at the time was TWK and that they only had the Originals at 1983. Maybe they were watching TWK. :D Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:21, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, ok. I see! :D Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:08, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Re: New India
"I actually don't know!!". XD If you can get it, I am thinking of putting New India in OTL Ulfrun Regio.

Everything you have done on NI is okay so far. I may be wrong, but did I tell you that I wanted the name New India to be a temporary name. I don't have a replacement as of yet (if you have any ideas). But again, so far so good. As for a flag, not too sure. Off the top of my head, why not the original symbol proposed by Gandhi, but on a Soviet-styled flag. Thank you so much for bringing this up with me first. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 20:17, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Imperium, Hitler is born Roman in my ALT. I love the effort, but let me offer this as a rebuttal to that map, because I have worked very hard crafting a careful balance of power and positive and negative factors.

Starting with England, it does still possess all of Ireland in this ALT, perhaps bitterly held onto, as it loses possessions on its island. Wales is lost (given independence) after WWI, as a punishment for the British Empires role in Seafaring Powers. Scotland in OTL had independence until 1707, that puts it well into my ALT as just remaining independent, I see it as an Irish Free State parallel.

With Romana, we have Germany as a smaller picked on country during WWII, an odd twist of fate :>). The independent countries south of Denmark, mecklenburg, Saxony, Munster (with the umlaught, but I don't know how to type it) are made indepedent after WWI, much in the same way Germany lost many possessions which were made into indepedent countries. I am trying to strike a balance of keeping Romana roughly the same size of Germany, throughout history.

Juneau is still communist for the same reason Cuba is still communist in OTL, Cuba didn't just become apart of the US after the fall of communism (even though the US had a strong connection to it beforehand). The USA would have a much smaller footprint because of the "" scenario that happened in North America rather than South. in OTL the US was faced with a much stronger foe in the British Empire, and South American nations faced division and loose confederacy because of a weak Spanish empire. in Pax Columbia, A parallel course takes route here, where Columbia faces a strong Spanish Empire and North America falters.

I cannot bend to sentiment, this ALT is not pro-USA or pro-spanish or pro-anything. It is a mental exercise on how little changes would butterfly effect into vast and interesting changes across the board. Take pride in exploring the new collage of nations in North America and explore what our American history would look like, blueprinted onto many different smaller countries. :>)

I love the work, and I took a look at the map, it is obvious you have some experience with photoshop and are familiar with indexed colors, so now I know I can come to you with help on map stuff when i am stuck. :>)

BTW, I loved the work on India, I don't know if i elucidated that yet. I would love for you to propose some more nations, that way i can build on your work!!!!!  CassAnaya 00:04, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Also, I am using the hell out of that portal you created for me, Thank you so much again :>) CassAnaya 00:21, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Imperium, you are talking as if political and stable union in the United Kingdom and North America are a given. This is an ALT which seeks to explore the tragic conclusion these areas. There are many parallels to be drawn, and I have a careful balance between positive and negative factors. History and territory constantly politically shift. These are not arbitarary decisions, they fit the broad narrative. If I were proposing that the FSC took over all of China, then you could tell me that I am being impractical and you would be right.

That is not what is happening. One of the big mistakes of ALT's i see out there is countries just gobbling up territory and always keeping it. I build in balance by building federalism in one area and independent regions in others. If you want to contribute, get in the mindset of a weaker England, north america, germany, france and china, a stronger spain, italy, romana, poland, south america and india and make it work.

I really want your creative input in my ALT. Your expertise in India was paramount to how i constructed it's history. I would love to see you propose some more nations, I have worked out all the major meta-concepts, now i am working on the interesting details of countries and individuals. Please help me out with that. I look forward to your input.

And I totally stole the flag signature idea from you :>) CassAnaya 17:57, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Awesome Man! good to hear that! I am really looking forward to the contributions!!!! :>)

CassAnaya 20:03, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

UFC
Would you still like to create the UFC for 83DD?

I imagine it could be something like this:

The United Federation of Cities is an unrecognized nations located somewhere in the Central Former USA. It is a combination of several very small villages/cities. The People of the UFC continues to seek the help Almighty Lord Vulcan to save them after Doomsday.

History
On Doomsday, some 12 Trekkies were eating popcorn and watching a VCR tape of the Wrath of Khan when the bombs fell.

Eventually they found more people living farther away and signed a charter that united these peoples into the United Federation of Cities.

I kind of have nowhere to go after that, so I was thinking you could expand upon that.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:23, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

No, I don't think I can make it better than that. Also, is the Empire canon? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:46, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

I think then they would try to go into space, although they utterly fail and they might build a car or some sort of vehicle and call it the UCS Spock or Enterprise. Maybe they would grow to contain more cities, then begin to lose some cities. Star Trek wasn't very complete at the time, so maybe they would make their own Star Trek films and believe themselves to be reincarnations of Kirk, Spock, and other characters. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:59, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

The United Federation of Cities is an unrecognized nation located somewhere in the Central Former USA. It is a combination of several villages and small cities. The citizens of the UFC follow the strict code of life led by Almighty Lord Spock which has helped them survive after Doomsday.

History
On Doomsday, some 12 Trekkies were eating popcorn and watching a VCR tape of the Wrath of Khan when the bombs fell. These trekkies did not know what to do, although they did have a bit of knowledge on living in the wild outdoors.

These trekkies wandered for many months and were on the verge of emotional breakdown (not to mention starvation) when one of the trekkies figured out the solution: logic. They would try to suppress all harmful emotion and take the path of logic led by Lord Spock. This solution helped them amass a large crowd, in the few 100s and they managed to wander to a nice farming location in central former USA.

LIfe was tough to begin with, but eventually the crops grew and they were helped by the extra rainfall. After the first successful harvest, an sacrifice was offered to the Almighty Lord Spock. The population grew as more refugees arrived and soon nearby villages and towns saw the life which the people of Vulan (the name of the town they occupied) lived in and wanted to bask in the same success.

This lead to the signing of the Federation charter (in 1992), where Vulan and other towns all became part of the UFC. It also established Spockism as their main religion and many of the citizens of the UFC began to follow the teachings of Lord Spock.

Travel
More than once, the Federation has attempted space travel, although no one from the UFC has left the ground.

One of the original 12 Trekkies, (Benny Carmen), was chosen to become the leader of the UFC. He became the first "Admiral Kirk of the UFC", and ordered the construction of the UCS Enterprise. The UCS Enterprise in fact was a rundown bus which would be renovated and would transport the Kirk and his government. Some cities objected to this and eventually broke away, believing that all resouces should be spent on increasing crop production. When the UFC continued to do well, these cities found no choice but to rejoin the Federation as their people starved.

Over the years, more towns joined and the increased populace has been beneficial to the production of crops. Spockism grew hugely in the Federation and in a census (2000), over 78% of the population stated they were Spockist.

Also, the UFC found four cars in working condition underground in Iowa. These cars were also renovated. They became the UCS Vulcan, the UCS Kirk, the UCS Spock, and the USC Federation. All four are government vehicles, although the Federation crashed in 1997.

Government and Politics
The UFC is led by four of the original twelve, who ultimately control the nation based on Spockism. When they die, the next Spock/Kirk/Khan/Roddenberry incarnates will take over and continue the Spockist beliefs.

Economy
Mostly agriculture, since people only do that. Some people raise cattle, although all meat is sacrificed to the Almighty Vulcan.

The funny part is, when I was writing this, you told me about the bus while I was already writing about it, lol. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:20, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

It is in my opinion! XD Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:22, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

By the way, other than me, you, CassAnaya, and PitaKang (who started it all), who has a flag in their sig? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:22, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Hot Cold War
Fancy joining the 'Hot Cold War' map game? The rules say you can have 2 nations. 82.2.70.188 07:09, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

Neapolitan India
I had wanted all of Tamilia to become its own nation, called the Dravidian Federation or Dravidia or something. It would be one nation, but under dynastic union with Bharat. So it would keep its current borders and size (unless it absorbed the southern former Hungarian colony and part of the northern and part of Sri Lanka.

For the division of it into the subdivisions ruled by mahajhapans, I didn't know how to divide it (as the only divisions I could make were language, and that would be only 3 and you wanted at least 5) so I was going to let you make a map showing how it got divided into the mahajhapans. LurkerLordB (Talk) 22:22, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

Do you have the mahajhapans division yet?LurkerLordB (Talk) 22:04, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

AAAZ
Imp, go for it. Why not take over? I could drop by and offer the odd tip for what I think it should be like but otherwise it can be all yours. There'd just be one article to create first... and I'll do it now! Feg 21:00, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Project ASCENSION. :) Feg 21:16, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Yup, let's cooperate on this together! :D Right, as for your novel, are you talking a novel in-universe, or a real novel set in the universe? Feg 07:12, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

I really like that idea. And, brilliantly, it fits exactly in with what I wrote in the second paragraph on the Ascension page! We could plot out a whole in-universe course of events for this. Go straight for it! Meanwhile, I'm gonna get started on some updates to this! Feg 16:02, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps you could throw in some more stuff on the article first, just so I know what your view of it globally would be? I'd be happy to finish it off. And yes, the article on the novel looks great so far! Just edit the layout a bit is all I'd say! Feg 16:45, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

At the moment, it's fine. I've learnt from enough of these projects to not over-extend! :P Feg 17:07, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

I like this TL. It's fun. It's a nicer and cooler world. No doubt we'd have all sorts of weird new problems, cultural clashes, extremism and racism against the Aash'n, and even some from them towards us. But hell. Let's try and make TTL at least a little nicer than OTL! Feg 17:19, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Hindu States
There is no problem, but just respect the area surrounding Bodh Gaya, as that is a Buddhist pilgrimage site. Bengal itself doesn't care, but the Buddhist population might cause an uproar. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:33, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Australia in PM
Well Australia isn't going to be Nipponese forever I tell you that now, Ngainkeha will go on to expand yes, but the Cape York Peninsula and Shuujin will be separate nations eventually. But I don't wanna give too much away because its ages away. But I'm expanding the penal colony in the north along the coast more, and its gonna break off to make a Barbary States esque nation. Basically Australia is where I'm going to mess around and try some more interesting ideas.

But you are completely ignoring Spain, Persia and Korea. I will say I agree to something along those lines, but I don't want to formally divide Australia in-game. Something like this would occur in-game when us two have expanded much more.

So yeah I agree to the principle of this, but I don't think we need to formally have this in-game for a good few more years as it isn't necessary, plus it would over-ride the current Rotterdam Conference & I don't want to loose Papua New Guinea & Eastern Indonesia.

Also your BOGOF offer in PM made me chuckle XD VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:26, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

It just reminded me of the SafeStyle UK BOGOF advert for some reason lol :P

But yeah I don't want anyone else coming into my claimed territory so I wouldn't go into someone else's. It saves me a few wars, VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 15:11, April 4, 2012 (UTC).

I'm impressed you could recite the advert so quickly lol VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 15:16, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Chat
Hey, you wan to chat at the chat page? I'm going to be there. RandomWriterGuy 23:00, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

Gansu
Imp, not only did that newsbit make little sense, but it also directly conflicted with the Gansu article. I removed it. Lordganon 23:45, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

Because it referred to it as just coming into the world, despite contact with Tibet being made in 1988, and it being smack between powers, with only a small distance apart, that have been known equally as long. Lordganon 09:22, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Lol
Lol, I actually do have a girlfriend, lol. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 17:57, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

DeanSims
Deansims found an empty map game, that had just been created, that he had no reason to think was going to be abandoned. He stole this map game. He declared himself the dictator of the map game, and he totally took it over. He even changed the name. How would you like it if I took over one of your timelines the moment it was made, moved it, and declared myself the dictator over it? What DeanSims did was appalling. He is lucky that I only banned him for a single week for this despicable action. I will not remove the ban. He got what he deserved. Also, editing for a banned user on map games has already been ruled as ban evasion in the case of when Kunarian was banned a while ago, so you are not to do that as well. LurkerLordB (Talk) 21:32, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Lurk is correct, Imp. Probably a bit long of a ban, but fact of the matter is, it was justified. Lordganon 00:21, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

India and Vijayanagar in Easternized World
Hello Imperium Guy. In the timeline which I have adopted, Easternized World, there are many different powerful nations. Among them are the two nations on the Indian Peninsula, India (OTL Northern India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan) and Vijayanagar (OTL South India). As I sadly know little of Indian history and I know that you know a lot, I was wondering if you would be interested in working on this timeline to make the history of these two powerful nations from about 1000-onward. If you are interested, please respond and I will tell you what has already been decided. If not, I'll understand. LurkerLordB (Talk) 15:52, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

They would be close allies but seperate. Sort of like Canada and the US in OTL. I'm glad you are interested. When I get back from in a couple hours, I'll fill you in on what little has been written about them. LurkerLordB (Talk) 16:39, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

So, basically, the first thing that would effect India would be the fall of Islam in 1025-1039, when the Chinese conquer Islamic Persia and Afghanistan. This means that the tiny Islamic presence in India is cut off from all hope of reinforcement (see this map). Without any more Muslims coming, the remains of the Ghaznavid Sultanate and the small nation of Sumras would be unable to stand up to the Hindus. Indian Islam would decline to be a tiny minority like the Jains.

Between this and 1200, nothing much is mentioned of the Indian states save for the fact that they prospered due to trade with the Chinese. In 1200, India looks the same as it did in real life; however, the area occupied by the OTL Islamic Ghurid Sultanate is instead ruled by the Hindu Delhi Raj. (Map). After 1200, nothing is mentioned until the 1400s, when it says the Delhi Raj has prospered and not been hit very hard by the worldwide plague, and Vijayanagar is rising. Both nations are still Hindu, although Buddhism and Jainism remain significant movements.

After that, nothing is mentioned of India until the 1600s, where it says they are trading with Persia and that they are allied. By this time, India (presumably Bharat in Hindi and descended from the Delhi Raj, maybe after a new government though) and Vijayanagar take up most of the Indian subcontinent except for Northern Afghanistan, Assam, and Nepal (all of which are presumably independent or under rule from someone else) (Map, note that the OTL modern day borders are just there for comparison).

After that, nothing is mentioned until the 1830s, when the two Indian nations become more democratic and become very important in world affairs, so from then on you should read the timeline since they are mentioned a lot. Note that by that time as well, India has vassalized Nepal and Assam. Nepal is mostly the same as OTL, following a Buddhist-Hindu mixture. Assam, however, also has a large Theravada Buddhist population (perhaps due to conquest or Missionaries from south-east Asia).

So, basically, you can fill in whatever gaps you want in the long and sadly neglected Indian history. LurkerLordB (Talk) 20:52, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

On the subject of colonization, I assumed that they were busy uniting the various small Indian states, and by the time they were all united they were too behind to begin colonizing. Or they might not have wanted to colonize. However, the nation of Wolof, which is in West Africa, is Hindu due to Sri Vijayan Hindus converting their king, and since little has been said of Wolof, you could say that it fell under their sphere of influence or something. Also, to note,between the 1200 map and the 1850 map, nothing has been mentioned of South-East Asia north of Sri Vijaya, so you can have them interact as much as you want. Also, search the main pages for mentions of any other nation, and if there is nothing contradictory, you can have them interact with any of the other nations there.

You can add summaries to the main timeline pages (just don't change anything already written). You can also make pages for India and Vijayanagar too if you wish. LurkerLordB (Talk) 21:05, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Spanish War
You would still fight Spain, but both motives would be political. Since France-Russia is an enemy of Spain, you should ask them to support you. LurkerLordB (Talk) 22:00, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

The Greater Americas Revised
Hey, its Taco! Anyways, when are we starting The Greater Americas Revised, because almost all nations are taken. TacoCopper

Okay, thanks! TacoCopper

Okay. I have noted that and will use that from now on. TacoCopper

just found out you nominated Pax Columbia thank you dude! I really appreciate that! :>)  CassAnaya 02:21, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Am I supposed to write the background of the Aurorian Union? Seeing as its not there.... GunsnadGlory 18:16, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

A note
Just to let know, but the actual account of the player of Burnei is Sawdog88, as this account made an edit on the PM page saying ok to your reply (when you told the Burnei player to log in). Tim-2112 seems to be a different user altogether. -Kogasa 11:50, April 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * I know, and I'm very grateful for having Swedish help, but eventually I want Finland to have pure independence around either the 1860s or 1870s [or 1890s at the latest] (since Finland existed since 1708 ATL). However, I plan to still be allied to Sweden and all (not like I'm going to betray them or anything). Another reason for independence is so I can have a different colour to separate Finnish colonies from Swedish colonies (as that as caused some confusion already).
 * I was originally thinking of being able to declare independence during the Napoleon-like conquests France is doing right now, but I really don't want to fight Sweden and rather decide on peaceful independence, instead of a war... -Kogasa [[Image:Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png|23px|border]][[Image:宮城県.png|23px|border]][[Image:Flag of Japan.png|23px|border]] 12:18, April 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * I know. But it doesn't count for expanding along the coastlines (in the case of my colonies of Hyvinkää and Kōshi, because islands). I would do it to Käwäshiro but I'm trying to conquer the OTL Gulf of Venezuela and Lake Maracaibo coastlines first, before I expand further into OTL South America (TTL Käwäshiro will have roughly the area of OTL Venezuela plus parts of Eastern Colombia and parts of OTL Brazil that borders OTL Venezuela, maybe bit more into Brazil if possible). Lastly, I didn't see Finland on the list for stage three. Poor Finland, sadly neglected and often forgotten. :[ (lol) -Kogasa [[Image:Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png|23px|border]][[Image:宮城県.png|23px|border]][[Image:Flag of Japan.png|23px|border]] 20:11, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

I am doing exactly that. and no, i can't show you annexing the Spanish colony without the algorythm being completed, or at least defined before completion. (in case of the margin being so big that no matter how the rest plays out, it will always end in victory...this came out wrong.).--Collie Kaltenbrunner 21:55, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Stephen Hawking
Um... personally, I'm not sure. I know that's a nice thought and all. I suppose he could recently have started some kind of therapy (as mentioned the Aash'n have unbiased stem cells, it's possible these have been retro-engineered to work for humans, or something) but I wouldn't want the whole thing finished. No offence to the guy, it'd be great for him, but I think that it would at to the 'feel' of the timeline if it's an in-progress thing. So you could say it's started, just only very recently! Feg 17:42, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Mesheryakov
Off course. Just tell where you want to conquer a new colony. But, If you want to keep such colony after the war's end, then you should talk with the original owner. If you just want to conquest a neutral nation, then we'll support you. --Galaguerra1 16:38, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Just so you know, the Meshryakovists are currently funding and supporting a Muslim extremist criminal organization which is currently fighting the Hindu missionaries in Persia and trying to get the Persian government to form a police state to stop the Hindus there, so Bharat joining this movement is illogical. Dravida will not be a Mesheryakovist nation and will revolt against Bharat if they become one, and the Bharati Nobles might agree like you said. LurkerLordB (Talk) 23:01, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Nevermind about the Muslim extremists, I got my foreign-funded mafias in Sicily mixed up. But anyways, Brunei and Dravidia both are backing Vietnam now because France launched an unprovoked attack against them. LurkerLordB (Talk) 02:27, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Good plan. That nation is the Pueblo nation. Though won't you need a colony to border it to get your troops there? LurkerLordB (Talk) 20:21, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

The civil disarray one in South America is Onguayal, the non-civil disarray one next to it is Manoa. You could vassalize it, but it would take a turn or two. LurkerLordB (Talk) 00:24, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

The Greater Americas Revised (aka: MWA HA HA HA HAAAAA!)
MWA HA HA HA HAAAA! I HAVE RETURNED TO RIGHTFULLY RECLAIM THE THRONE OF ANTILIA!!!!! MWA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAA! NO-ONE WILL STAND IN MY WAY OF WORLD DOMINATION! (apart from my allies, and probably some other people as well, and the mods, but oh well... ) (btw: that is an exact copy of what I posted on the TGAr talkpage!) FP 19:25, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Maximum Systema
Ha! I knew a third part would join. I'll say okay, but you'd also have to ask MP. Basically what we're doing here is examining what would happen if some planetesimals formed into planets and their effects on the universe. Very interesting for any astronomy fans and aspiring explorers or whatnot. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:02, April 15, 2012 (UTC)



Lol, Imp, I know. Don't sweat over it; I've read all of those. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:33, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

PM Vassals & stuff
Well Ngainkeha was my vassal, but I gave it independence but it became independent while on good terms with Nippon so it remains an ally of Nippon. Ngainkeha then made Eetoria a protectorate (sort of like a vassal) and then went into union as a commonwealth. So I didn't vassalize another nation using my vassal but I vassalized with a nation I gave independence. That only happens because until a new player wants to come and take over the country you gave independence, you control it. E.g. if you gave one of your colonies independence you'd control it but it'd be a separate nation. As for the Asian alliance, Nippon is already an ally of most Asian nations, so yeah I'd do that.

As for Easter its been alright, fairly mediocre really. I've wasted a lot of time, and done no where near as much work as I would of liked to have done. So I'm annoyed at my amazing ability to procrastinate constantly. Now I'm shitting it for my exams, trying to get my coursework done & planning to work almost non-stop from now until the middle of June. I say this, but I'm really gonna try to do it this time cause I don't wanna fail uni.

There's also been some awkward situations with my friends but in a way I'm glad its all out in the open now. This house party we had at my friend's house basically saw all of us fighting with one another, one of them ending up in hospital, and getting a lot of shit off our chests. Most of that has blown over now I think but I've not seen everyone since then so I can't be sure. However there is one situation concerning a "love triangle" which looks set to continue for quite some time.

But on the plus side, I'm much better at Empire: Total War now :P

Anyway how was your Easter break & you understand that vassal stuff now? VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 12:17, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

As long as you don't have more than 2 vassals and its plausible it could happen; then yeah you should be alright.

I've not really touched my Easter eggs, I got 3 and some other chocs but I'm getting to old for all that stuff now I rate. But yeah the weather was alright, I only got caught out in the rain once or twice but the first week was lovely & sunny. Made me laugh how it went from being one of the warmest April's on record to snowing the following week XD VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 17:58, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

TGAr
Hey Imperium, its Taco! Anyways, as much as I hate to miss the start of a game, I will be gone 'til Saturday. Could you take care of the Northern Terrorities 'til I get back. Just build up the miltary, and explore Central Africa. Thanks for your time.TacoCopper

hey imp, whats up and hows my wiki going? DeanSims 17:28, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Joining the Timeline
Sure you can join, but there are several different things here. Despite all this, it is good to see someone who likes this as well. Hope we all have fun. Monster Pumpkin 17:50, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Jupiter forms further outward, allowing for several planets in the Asteroid belt zone.
 * 2) Vulcan could exist, it just would have to be very small, like the size of Saturn's moon Mimas.
 * 3) We did consider Aphrodite for the name of Venus's moon, but I feel that the name is somewhat redundant, and nowhere else in the solar system do you see a moon named after the planet in another language.

Well, I saw what you wrote on MP's wall. See, since Jupiter was farther out, it could attract things that were farther out. Thus stuff would be projected into the Inner Solar System and hit Mercury, thus creating Vulcan. Minerva is basically a lot of asteroids clumped together and other planetesimals that managed to stay together since Jupiter was farther out. Mars would maybe have a larger third moon, named Bellona, his wife in Roman mythology. (Her Greek counterpart was Enyo, also the wife of Ares, the Greek original version of Mars.)

Landmasses: The general plan was to have a bigger Kerguelen (OTL South Africa size) and a bigger Zealandia. Also the existence of "Arctica," a nothern counterpart to Anatarctica, both of which exist.

ASB: Which ASB do you think this would fall in? Miscellaneous?

Also, see my blog for more information. It is mostly contradictory to what we have now, but that was the rough, unintended start. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:18, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Most of what you suggested looks good, and at first I didn't like the part with Titan, but as I thought back, I actually kinda like like it! Unfortunatly, I don't have time to reply in depth, so I will try to get back to you tomorrow. Monster Pumpkin 02:54, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

Everything is on key, and you guessed the Greenland bit right, that was the plan. No, no one is creating a portal page until we're sure on a lot of details. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:58, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

Ok then, we just need MP to consent everything. :D Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:38, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

All you need to do is start making articles Imp! We are starting right now! Choose a planet (middle system is my responsibility) and begin! Monster Pumpkin 18:04, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, what do you think of using a picture of Tatooine for Venus? The plan was for Venus to be a desert like planet, except a bit hotter with small lakes here and there. Tatooine fits perfectly for that secnario! :) Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:33, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Tatooine actually has lots of life. (Trust me, I am probably most knowledgeable person about Star Wars on this wiki.) Lushness really wouldn't be a quality of Venus, unlike in the TL's like Venusian Haven. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:55, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you're right about that. Also, Eros is a picture of a terraformed Earth's Moon. :D Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:29, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about my late reply, I had to unknowingly leave. About Antarctica, you have to take that up with Scraw, as I don't know. Monster Pumpkin 19:37, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

About Antarctica, yes, it would be habitable to the north, but not at all as you get closer to the south pole. Also, do you have a map of the continents maybe? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:39, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Good job on the Tatooine pic, that's the one I was looking for but couldn't find. That one was the right one. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:42, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Countries? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:43, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, we didn't decide on international borders yet. First and foremost we need to know what world looks like so that we can put countries on it! :) Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:49, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Can you show it to me? >/ Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:57, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Ok then. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:57, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm...you did a good job on Zealandia, but did you take Kerguelen from Alternity? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:10, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it's great. :) Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:21, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Hello~
Hi, thank you very much for your contributions for my humble Myomi Republic timeline

&quot;Oh... a simple job for simple people.&quot; (Curly) 06:11, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I felt very helpful.. :) &quot;Oh... a simple job for simple people.&quot; (Curly) 02:59, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

The Proposal
Dunno, I have to think about it. RandomWriterGuy 19:29, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

You know what, I think I agree to the idea. --RandomWriterGuy 16:36, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry. I'll handle the issue. The Australian colony Is an issue though. You didn't really play a role in the war. --RandomWriterGuy 17:46, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Hinduism and Colonization in PM
I was wondering: if Dravidia begins making colonies, would it make sense in the Hindu religion for the gods of the natives they are colonizing to be incorporated into the Hindu religion? LurkerLordB (Talk) 00:11, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Specifically, I was considering making a Dravidian colony in the Kongo area, and in order to get the Kongolese to become Hindus, I was considering having their main god, Nzambi Mpungu, become a Hindu god, if such a thing would be acceptable (the Hindus in India don't have to worship him, just the Kongolese ones if need be). LurkerLordB (Talk) 02:12, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

OK then. Meanwhile, Australia isn't really swampy, and it has no rivers, but it is really hot, so I don't know. Are there diseases in Australia? LurkerLordB (Talk)

In that case, if you are going to use it to help the natives, then I would say OK. I can't speak for any other mod, but unless one objects, you can. LurkerLordB (Talk) 20:30, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Australian Kingdom in PM
That sounds good. I've asked for Sweden for help, because the future settlers were born there. I want to make it as realistic as possible. Most of these colonists are tought to respect swedish rules. By the way, can you tell me, when did Sweden occupy London?

Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 12:25, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah. That's a bit pathetic. I'm glad this didn't happen in real life ;D Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 13:05, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that's exactly how I imagined it. But later(after centuries), I'm hoping to unite the whole Australia into one single nation. Not much of idea yet of how am I going to do it, but we'll see as time progresses. Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 13:16, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Lol. I couldn't help but notice. Sweden sailed up the Thames in 1784 delivering an ultimatum to the newly independant English. Surrender London now and join the Swedish Empire or we blast the city to bits and Portsmouth (the former AGC capital) is next. Reason: England invaded Wales and Scotland under its claims to the island of Great Britain, Vietnam and Itsaygahi (allies of Sweden) supported the invasion of England as it was their client states that were threatened. Theres nothing to do with food except the Europe-wide famine at the time. Also I doubt Spain will hand over their colony and Sweden is definately keeping Tasmania. I'm interested, why the fascination with Australia. Scandinator (talk) 16:01, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Ok. :D By the way, from the last time I visited Althist, I noticed that you have made many many edits. Really brightens your profile ;D ~Doc

I say yes to the offer as long as I also can bag in Lithuania from the Russians.Scandinator (talk) 22:45, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

UR RANKED NUMBER 2!!!! GREAT JOB IMP!!!! DeanSims 18:52, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

The Legacy of the Glorious
Thanks for the help with the bottom of the page. I hope to add more things about it soon. Have you checked the original link? Milarqui 18:56, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

UR WELCOME. in pRINCIPIA mODERNI IS fRANCE DEFEATED YET??? DeanSims 18:57, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

can u nominate Texas Survives for a featured timeline, or just say you support i, please? DeanSims 19:01, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

yeah i know, im freaking huge now, I should have huge chunk of Brazil by now. DeanSims 19:02, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

i am over 65,000 square kilometrs big, and have been expaning for over 50-60 years, they still wont show it on the map. DeanSims 19:06, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Russia
For the upcoming attack on the russian colony I suggest mounting an attack directly in Russia. Also try to get Persia, Vietnam, Korea, Brunei and Nippon to join. Scandinator (talk) 12:44, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Also congrats on the constable nomination! I think you will be a great admin. Scandinator (talk) 13:28, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Why the attack on Russia? BTW when I read other's messages, I tend to lurk only pouncing when necessary ;) VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 21:28, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Imp, I'll support you in this war iff you support me against Russia. Scandinator (talk) 09:41, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Location of Kōshi (PM)
The Shogunate of Kōshi is located on the OTL Island, right next to the Republic of Kazami (which they are located on the upper portion of the OTL ). Before that, it was a Finnish colony. Just to let know. -Kogasa 13:52, April 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * I know, though it's kinda odd that if I do that, I would easily take the rest of the Sulawesi Island under a year. Which is my plan, of course, but I take a few years (like around 7 or 8 at most) and also I build new town, city, Shinto shrines, and industrialise along the way (and continue to do so). :p


 * And I'll help in the war against the Russians. Well the Shogunate of Kōshi and the Finnish colonies will anyway. :P -Kogasa [[Image:Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png|23px|border]][[Image:宮城県.png|23px|border]][[Image:Flag of Japan.png|23px|border]] 14:16, April 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh. I for some reason think that a huge number like that would easily take over something small. Because the way it looks on the map, I think that, without taking account of how actually far it is in real life. Even with the distance key seen on political maps I would still think short distances, lol.
 * Anyway, when will you declare war against Russia? Just asking so I know when to attack, that's all. -Kogasa [[Image:Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png|23px|border]][[Image:宮城県.png|23px|border]][[Image:Flag of Japan.png|23px|border]] 04:48, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

O.o really? I searched a webpage with arabic names (to not use the common names we all know from the ottoman sultans). Now I see again and yes, there's hindu names too. Well, I'll change the name. Thank you ^^ --Galaguerra1 16:50, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Nouvelle-Normandie. Thank you again --Galaguerra1 17:38, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Sunda is hardly a threat, its just an Islamic majority rather than everyone is Muslim. It's fairly tolerant multi-cultural nation and it just happens that Islam is the dominant religion there, its hardly a threat to Bharat. It remains in the Nipponese sphere of influence so Nippon wouldn't appreciate a Bharati invasion of Sunda.

Also as I asked before, why the war against Russia? VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 16:28, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

I personally wouldn't appropriate an invasion of Sunda, its quite a tolerant multi-cultural society; and it just happens to have Islam as its main religion. I see about 60% of the population being Muslim and the other 40% aren't going to convert any time soon. Its still influenced by Nippon, and is a biggest trade partner too.

The furthest I'm willing to go is supporting a coup for a republic in Sunda. I could have a new tyrannical sultan, and then Nippon-Bharat back a republican coup, and then we go on to promote Hinduism, Buddism and Shinto in the new republic.

Also why the war against Russia? VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 16:36, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

I don't want any more land from Russia, I just wanted to know why there was gonna be a war. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 19:16, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Dravidia
Dravidia is about to attack the small African nation of Ndongo, but is so weak they would be able to divide their troops and help. LurkerLordB (Talk) 13:30, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

ill be on the wiki every day now Imp, i just moved in with my mom and transfered to Everett High Scool inLansing!!!!

DeanSims 14:08, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

it sure is, maybe I can finaly get up into the wikis top ten! DeanSims 15:00, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

I know not what weapons WWIII will be fought with...
Hi, Imperium Guy,

I noticed you added I know not what weapons WWIII will be fought with... to the category ASB - Biased. Frankly, I don't believe it belongs there - the US also has this superadvanced technology. The USSR is merely the first to strike. Any thoughts on the matter?

I've started expanding that TL (It says anyone can contribute). If you have any questions about it, I'm probably the guy to go to.

Thanks,

SpanishSpy 19:07, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

I have plans to expand the TL so that there is this top-secret arms race happening "Behind the Scenes," so to speak. The invasion would be a "breaking point" in this top-secret diplomacy. I'm not sure that would count as biased.

Note, I'm only in the beginning of revamping the TL. Most of this isn't there yet.

Thanks again,

SpanishSpy 19:15, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

It's like this: Tikhonov realizes the Americans are getting a pretty significant edge in this superadvanced arms race, and the invasion is to prevent them from getting any more advanced, lest the Soviet Union be destroyed first. A preemptive strike, sort of.

Just a curiosity, is the title of the TL long enough to justify abbreviating the name in category pages?

Thanks again,

SpanishSpy 19:25, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Mars
I don't really know how larger it would be. Ask to Scraw about that, he made the article. Regardless, I kinda doubt that it would have life.

Maybe we should make a planet template that gives information on the planet in question. Sort of like the nationinfo, but with planets! :) Monster Pumpkin 21:27, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Mars is exactly 75% the size of Earth, bigger than OTL. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:31, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

India
I figure they may well have. Lordganon 23:25, April 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * :-)90.244.92.139 21:14, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

PM Wars
Deal. Vietnam and Kenia will join you in your war.

Yank 19:33, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Fractured America Revised and Reloaded (Map Game) has started, pick your natin and let the games begin!

DeanSims 19:34, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

see you there. we neeed to make it biiger and more interesting, we now have 10 pages. DeanSims 21:04, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Made you a request at PM. Check it out. Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 15:39, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Oh. Thanks. Doctor261 ''' (Talk to Doctor261) 13:41, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Persian Unification
Okay, what is it? RandomWriterGuy 21:57, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry. west Perisa is in the union with the Caliphate. --RandomWriterGuy 19:13, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Axis vs Allies: Reloaded
Your imput in Axis vs Allies: Reloaded (Map Game) would be grately valued, as Iran is falling apart and India may be at risk.The River Nile-2 03:51, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

need to come back to Axis vs allies, a war looks to be starting soon between the NPA and the axis 58.179.73.205 20:37, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Stability
The system is really easy.

x^1.25/1.25^x*2.5*y

x=number of years since the last government change divided by 10.

y=number of digits in population number.

LurkerLordB (Talk) 14:50, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

It means to the power of (2^2 is 2 squared or 4). If you don't know how it works, just copy the formula into Google, it will solve it for you. LurkerLordB (Talk) 15:09, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Imp. And i always thought he was, but i couldnt tell for sure. DeanSims 18:15, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

if you use YOUTUBE, look up "Start a Band" by Brad Paisley and Keith Urban and then look up "Billys got his beer goggles on" by Neal mccoy, both songs rock! DeanSims 18:26, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

yeah i relay liked it. but the library is closing, so ive got to go. keep tellling me new songs and ill liten to them tommorow. Seeya Imp, and look on World War 2 map game, on the mods i am Invader Sim! DeanSims 20:32, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

University
Yeah when u go uni make sure u move out. I haven't for my first year & the bus ride home & 30 min walk at 4am or the 6am train & 20 min walk are just killing me. Next year I'm halls with all my mates though so it should be better next year.

Got any idea what uni u thinking of going? I have friends at a few & spent ages trying to decide what course I wanted to do, so I know a fair bit on the whole UK uni search. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:34, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Well make sure what ever your doing at uni interests u, cause some of my units I just hate (e.g. quantitative methods) and trying to revise something which you just don't give a crap about is hard especially cause all the learning is down to yourself.

Edinburgh is a good uni, and a good city too. You at college atm? If so you had a look round the courses on UCAS? <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 14:36, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

College is very good fun you might not want to skip it, plus I've not heard of anyone I know doing that so I think it'd be a lot of hassle to do so, but might as well cause it saves a few years of your life :P

Figured you'd find this useful too to have a look at all the courses & crap on offer. You can find entry requirements too. You'll be "pleasantly" surprised how difficult some universities can be get into. E.g. Oxbridge both require at least 5 GCSEs at A plus then all As at A level too.

And we didn't have academies back in my day lol :P <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 14:50, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

That I'm too good for it.

Lol jk, I haven't got a clue about the curriculum for excellence. But I advise you look at what courses you fancy doing and aim for the best courses possible, and then have an idea where to go instead if you don't get the grades for the elite unis.

I don't get why they don't talk about applying for university when you choose your GCSEs as these have a fair bit of influence on what you can do at uni. But they should definitely tell u about how our A level/BTEC choices affect what uni u can go to. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 15:09, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, add it to my nation page please, and edit the text of meaning please ;D Doctor261 ''' (Talk to Doctor261) 15:49, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

PM Map
Hey, could you do me a favour? I updated the PM map to include the expansion of the commonwealth and sokotara being part of the caliphate; which I then re-did to include your changes. But the map hasn't changed for me, has it changed for you? I'm just wondering if its just my problem or everyone's, cause I cleared my cache & everything but it remained the same :/ <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 12:53, May 12, 2012 (UTC).

Congratulations
Congratulations, you are now a Constable in the TSPTF. This allows you to showcase the TSPTF membership badge on your user page. Furthermore it gives you the rollback power on this wiki. In the History page of an article you will notice a new option called "rollback". This is an anti-vandalism tool. It allows you to quickly undo edits in case someone has made more than one edit to a page. By clicking rollback it will immediately revert the article to a time before the offending editor edited the page. This is your most important duty. By agreeing to be a constable, you are promising to do your best to patrol for vandals and trolls.

When you get the chance, please go to the TSPTF page, and sign up for some responsibilities. In reality, none of us have the time to devote to all of the duties that are expected of an administrator of the wiki. You are expected, however, to sign up for at least three responsibilities listed in that section. These are duties that you are agreeing to carry out to the best of your ability every time you are on this wiki. I'm hoping that by doing this the members of the TSPTF can efficiently share the work load of the wiki and gives us time for the real reason we are here. Since you are only a constable and do not have the power to delete or block, do not feel obligated to sign up for any duties you do not have the powers to do. Please inform and respect those in a position to do so if you see a problem that involves a needs for either of those things.

Again, congratulations on being elected to the TSPTF and good luck.

Lordganon 09:31, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

Bharat, Persia and Afghanistan
Why do you allow RWG turn your client state of Afghanistan into a potential battlefield?

Yank 04:18, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

re: Reclaiming Lost Land
Sorry, but no. China's about to revolt (End of Quing Dynasty), so giving off territory might not make sense at the moment. When the situation calms down, we'll see. Sorry! 166.248.76.220 01:41, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Principia Moderni
Hey, would you and all your different lands in Principia Moderni support me (Berlin) in the Berlin-Dannish war (1914). We are already winning and could really benift from your help. Thank you. EzraNYC 12:04, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Awesome :D Thanks! EzraNYC 12:11, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Perfect testing grounds. Its like WW1 here in Europe! EzraNYC 12:15, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Better do it soon because I think it's about to end and I need you help! I'm down by ONE point!! :) EzraNYC 13:48, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Yes! Thank you thank you thank you!!! EzraNYC 14:09, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

UK
Hey Imperium Guy. I have been thinking about what to do when I turn 18. I have decided on moving to the UK. Of course, I wanted to get a first hand opinion on it, and my friends have never been anywhere close to the UK. So, I came to the site. And thats where I heard you live in the UK. So I have one question: What it is like in the UK? Are the colleges any good? Is the food decent?TacoCopper

Thanks Imperium Guy! I think you nailed everything and more, but if I can come up with something else, I'll be sure to ask you. Once again, thanks. TacoCopper

Scandinavia in PM
Hey Imp, just noticed that Bharat seems a little tense over Denmark defeating Norway. I just wanted to tell you that Bharat might as well relax over the issue as Denmark has offered you an alliance (unless you are my friend's enemy or my enemy's friend) and that Denmark doesn't have the intention or capability to challenge naval power of Dravidia and Bharat. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:57, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Bharat
Apparently yes, since you have a land border with Kazakhstan now.However, you've already reached stage 4 of industrialization.about Australia, i don't know.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 21:18, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Technically.However, i didn't added your expansion on 1924 because when i posted the map, you hadn't posted your turn.when you post your turn hours after the turn ended, this is bound to happen.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 09:58, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

No, you posted at 17:03 yesterday, when the 1925 turn was going on.the 1924 turn already had ended when you posted.and, i only saw your post when i already had uploaded the map.third: can you explain me how are you getting those expansion numbers?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 15:18, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

I refer to the many years when the Commonwealth had not been expanded even though I've expanded it every turn for the past 30 odd years. E.g. 1870-75, 1880-85, and 1905-10, the Commonwealth was not expanded on the map even though I said I was expanding in my posts. Just consider it making up for lost time, Collie keeps forgetting to expand the Commonwealth for some reason. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 17:53, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

163350 is roughly : 70 (number of pixels)x7x3x1.5 (tropical bonus)x1.5 (civil disarray bonus)x50.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 22:21, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

I saw your map. and apparently, now you have three vassals.the rules say that the maximum is two.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:59, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Guangxi rice
Deal. I'll post a news article about it as soon as you reply :D Scandinator (talk) 08:55, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

PM world domination! Mhahaahahahahaha
Sorry, the USA victory margin wasn't very big so I decided to take the whole measly 1% portion myself. But if you have Onguayal start a war against France now, you should get a fair amount of territory as France won't have their military development points & I think Onguayal have a higher stability than the USA too. If you do, you have the whole US bloc's help & all 3 of them'll send you military aid in the war. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 19:37, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Well I'd like to see how your division of the French colony, as I'd like to join up the two parts of Songone. Not too fussed about the rest of the interior.

But I'm getting worried about the pan-Europe alliance. When Gal comes back, him & France are gonna be pissed. I can see an America-Europe world war happening. To combat the European alliance we need an American alliance to combat it with like the same number of nations too. So far we have the USA, Muisca, Songone, Onguayal, and Käwäshiro. The European alliance has many more nations in it, so we need to create more puppets and vassals with our American nations. If we're lucky Dongfang and other American states will join us, but we could do with assuming they won't to be prudent, cautious & safe. If we're really lucky the Caribbean Federation will join us against the Europeans.

Basically I'm thinking we create something like OTL European Union with our American nations. e.g. the American Union or the Federation of America, or the Union of the Americas. Thoughts?

Also stop being mean to Bengal! Just leave them be, DK might come back & it'd be nice for him to still have a nation. I mean I'm also thinking of a pan-Asian alliance, so we could have all the Indian states, Nippon and the Indonesian confederation. Probably others too like Vietnam, Pahang, independent Nipponese colonies, China, Vietnamese vassals, Bengal and Korea (we could say they get pressured into joining). <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 23:53, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Well if Bengal is okay in the end, I'm game. Also does that map take into account the recent gains from the last war? Cause it doesn't look like it does to me :/

Otherwise yeah I'm okay with that, albeit most of the land will be taken over by Songone rather than the USA. Not a bad plan at all :) <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 09:42, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Not that, its just that in the current world I have that land. Its part of the current USA, Muisca and Songone nations (respectively) already. You can take that 1% off the other territory your giving me. I am in no way complaining, I just want you to do the map using the current world borders as of 1928. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 13:38, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

The French South America colony is 7,459 pixels. I find it funny how no one has helped France in this war yet they had all of the European Council practically helping in the last war. Guess we better keep this on the hush hush... Probably didn't get noticed with all of the other stuff going on :P

Also thanks for the 4000 edits celebrations. Not like I've been here 2 more years than you & you've got more than double that amount of edits. Suppose I did have like a year break though :P <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 23:35, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

I could add the Commonwealth and Sunda to the war as they helped in the last one; but not Nippon as they should really be helping France as they are allies with France & not Ongluyal. I could always do another war using Muisica this time to finish France off. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 11:38, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking about a war against Australia anyway, that bulge into my lands is in my claimed territory, so no problemo.

Added the badge to my avatar pic a week after I became a constable too. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 16:43, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Empress Sonja Komeiji of Finland won't be able to send support as their allied with France, and the Eesti Vabariik won't be able to either because it would also affect Finland's alliance with France. However, Shogun Kazuko Häkkinen of the Shogunate of Kōshi and Prime Minister Tenshi Mäkeläinen of the Republic of Kazami will be able to send support to help. :] -Kogasa 16:53, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip! Also, do you think you could send some support for Finland in the war against Butwa? Empress Sonja Komeiji of Finland promises to repay you in some way. -Kogasa 19:13, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Muwahahahahaha! Victory shall be ours! Viva America! <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 13:04, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah the map is just dandy. I want to expand Muisica into the black area just a tiny bit to make that border a bit straighter rather than a random bulge in the nation. Also want the USA to take over the Galapagos islands too. You happen to know what nation controls them? I'm a bit clueless...

Also yeah you could start a Bharati nuclear programme, and then we merge the two and start testing in Australia, near to where our territories meet. Don't want to include many nations in the nuclear programme as it is such a vital technology and weapon. Finland I trust & would let join our programme, but not Vietnam & China. We need to keep the other Asian nations in check...

As for other plans, well Brunei and Koshi will soon join up to make the Imperial confederation of Saigyo, so another big Asian power will join the fray soon. As for the other plan, probably a war against Russia. We wait for the government to change with the upcoming revolution and then destroy them when they have a low stability score. I mean its all well and good talking about all these technologies but they don't actually have any impact on how the war algorithms are resolved; so rather we need to focus on when there algorithm scores will be at their lowest. Hence during/just after the revolution. I mean Nippon are anti-socialist anyway so we're going to try stop the communists regardless. I plan on Finland taking over a lot of western russia and I want to create an east russian buffer state (maybe Manchuria) too. Also take the Russian colonies in New Zealand & give them to the Commonwealth, and take Prussia and re-form the former Nipponese colony as a puppet state. What'd Bhrat want from Russia BTW?

Anyway its not all about the Asian dominance, the Americas are shaping up nicely too. I got a message from Gal concerning the Union of the Americas & the Caribbean Union and seeing how France has been kicked out of South America now; we could start the Union of the Americas as a political organisation like EU but then merge into a superstate/federal union. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:07, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Fjordlaand is going down! Anyway you might want to update the world map. Collie's got not the results of your wars against Australia and France on the map. I just updated them myself for Brunei buying the Russian colony on Borneo.

You watch the England game yesterday? <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 10:33, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

As long as I get the Galapagos I don't mind the methods used to get them. And no the ball wasn't over the line see. And the superstate idea is just coming into the light of everyone else. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 14:13, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Seeing how this cold war is about to go warm soon, I was wondering what territory you wanted from the Europeans? I want Sweden from Denmark so I can join it with Wonderlaand to create the Swedish commonwealth. Not too fussed otherwise but I wouldn't mind some more territory, just not sure exactly what yet... (Note I've put the message here to make things less obvious to the European players who may be spying on our talk pages <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 19:40, July 9, 2012 (UTC)).

Greater Europe
USSR needs you back ;) Come back here . Doctor261 ''' (Talk to Doctor261) 06:29, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Bharat II
Exactly. i don't have any idea of which calculations you made for reaching the 72000 sq km. And: 60000 is basically: 4000 sq km (standard expansion number for Newfoundland) x 5 (industrialization bonus, now outdated) x 3 (black area bonus).and i've just noticed that if Newfoundland hit level 4, then i would have to turn this number to 84000 sq km.

Negotiations (PM)
No. Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 15:14, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

I am not negotiating out of character like that. If you want to take it In Character, then put it In Character. I'm not the one to decide about dynastic unions. It's John II. Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 16:51, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Regarding the dynastic union. This is just a thing similar to marriage, right? My nation stays fully ruled by me, but everything should be in order to support Bharat's interests. Right?

Ah, okay then. Sound sexy. Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 18:25, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

That's not what Denmark said. That's me who said what Denmark found out ^.^ Doctor261  (Talk to Doctor261) 19:14, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Cool. ^.^ Doctor261 ''' (Talk to Doctor261) 10:55, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Bharat III
What is the exact size of your Australian colonies?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 08:56, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Is because i noticed that it's getting closer to 1945, and according to the rules, after 1945, avery country can have only 3 colonies, at most, and they can't be large.Large, being 25,704 px or more.i am sure that one of your colonies fits the requisite.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 18:02, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Note (PM)
It's actually 33% - 34% that is needed in order to topple a government. Just thought I'd let know. Also thanks for fixing my mathematics, by the way. :] -Kogasa 17:21, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Nope, it wasn't. It was always 33 - 34% to topple the government. -Kogasa 17:37, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Success! Now, I need to wait until Denmark actually sends support, and hopefully I can annex Butwa as soon as possible before the war goes on too long and I might need two wars to take it (the result does change over time, mind). It's also almost 1945 (when large colonies are forbidden to hold onto, and only a maximum of 3 tiny/small colonies can be maintained after 1945) so I want to hopefully get it before then if I can. Anyway, thanks so much! :] -Kogasa 17:49, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Scr*w you Imp, I can and I will. I WILL NOT BE SILENCED!!! DeanSims (User talk:DeanSims) 22:36, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

No one would, everyoe calls me a liar and no one plays my map games. All my timelines are horrible and ASB as put by every mod and non-mod in this bad place, and I'm sick of getting told to stop throwing temper tantraums so I'm just done by leaving with no anger or anything else, becasue there's always gonna be a next time. LG and Lurker constantly run IP checks on me trying to get me banned, so I might as well just give them the satisfaction they want. I'm done. DeanSims (User talk:DeanSims) 22:44, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

Empress' Age (PM)
Empress Sonja Komeiji is currently 34 years old, as she was born in 1905.

Whenever I elect a new Empress/Shogun/other government office, they are always around 18-19 years of age (unless mentioned otherwise). -Kogasa 13:17, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Will work, though I plan to have Terhikki Komeiji [Shintoist, female] from the Komeiji Royal Family rule Finland around 1988. Though she will be born in 1970, so it'll be a while.

In fact, Sonja Komeiji has three sisters around the age of the late 20s (Elviira Komeiji (27), Kyllikki Komeiji(26), and Orvokki Komeiji (29)). If you want, I could send one of her sisters to the elder Bharati Prince next turn.

As for the Hindu temples, I'll be glad to build some. Finland currently has around 58% Shintō, 42% Finnish paganism while in the Autonomous Prefecture of Suwēden (is a part of Finland, but I count it separate) there is 80% Norse Paganism, 10% Shintō, and around 10% Orthodox. So, soon after the marriage, you can send Hindu missionaries to Finland. By modern day, the only religions found in Finland will be Shintō, Hindu, and Finnish/Norse Paganism (I'm supposed to keep some elements of Finnish culture, hence why it should still be there). In Saigyō, I'll spread Hinduism and convert the last of the Islamics in Brunei and other areas that have some Islamic population. So it's no problem.

As for the Republic of Kazami, I think I heard at one point that you can't have the puppet nation easily join your nation, and that you would have to declare war on the puppet in order to actually conquer the nation or something. So I'm not sure on how the Republic of Kazami can join, but they will either way soon. -Kogasa 14:22, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Okay. As for his twin brother, you can see if he can get accepted into a part of the Nipponese Royal Family. If not then let me know. -Kogasa 23:54, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

IMP, what is your obsession with making everyone Hindu? Can you just lay it off, Brunei's leader is Muslim, you are always going to have some Muslims in Brunei. To have so many people renounce the religion they've been brought up with to change it to another religion just isn't plausible. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 14:05, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Also seeing the new map which just came out, your Australian territories are now encroaching on the Commonwealth of E&N's territorial claims. The French colony still not divided on the map either. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 14:19, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for respecting my claims, but the confederacy is a multi-cultural nation so they should respect everyone's religion & stuff. The Caliphate in no way controls the confederacy. You should know te confederacy is not a threat to your nations. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 16:16, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Erm, I'm basically following OTL Nippon/Japanese Imperial family & successions. Emperor is currently on the throne & shall be until 1989, unless I change my mind & kill him off or something. Now r Hirohito had 2 sons & 5 daughters. Sons take preference to ascending to the throne so its not like we're going to go into dynastic union. But anyway the Emperor's eldest daughter is who was born in 1925 so she is currently 16 years old. So yeah a bit too young. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 20:53, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

"Asian Tigers' (SOC)
Makes sense to me. Should it also be some sort of Non-aligned Pact, like India, China, etc during OTL Cold War?

Vir prudens non contraventum mingit  18:09, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

OFS
And I've restored it. The OFS is not a member or anything close to it. Lordganon 23:09, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

War in Europe!
The Europeans (Welsh and Danish specifically) to which we (Dravidia and Bharat) have been having bad relations with recently have declared war upon Britain, a client state of Vietnam, when the Irish voluntarily joined their kinsmen. As we (the nations of Asia) need to have a strong presence in Europe in case of war, and the Welsh are the clear aggressors in this conflict, Dravidia has chosen to back Britain. However, we need Bharat and the rest of India behind us, in this war that will engulf all of Europe, and maybe the world! LurkerLordB (Talk) 20:07, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Never mind, the Welsh government is overthrown. LurkerLordB (Talk) 20:13, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, remade Imperialsit America, but Im not realy going to be a mod in it. I need help though getting the games basics going, could you help me out please, its on the talk page. I WILL NOT BE SILENCED!!! DeanSims (User talk:DeanSims) 21:44, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Green & Blue
Yeah, but it is kind of too bright and looks really bad, so I decided to change it to indigo, so it would give impression that you already clicked on that link. :D Doctor261 ''' (Talk to Doctor261) 14:28, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Well, do you realise that green means: inexperience, youth, sickness, ISLAM, money, greed and envy? :D:D I'm not like that, am I? :D Now Indigo represents loyalty, religion, spirituality and intuition. Now that's that I like :P  Doctor261 ''' (Talk to Doctor261) 14:36, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Bengal and Arakan
If Arakan had been in dynastic union with Bengal, Kenny would have colored it the same on the dynastic union map. As far as I can tell, Kenny had it break away and it now is independent. Even if it were made a vassal of Bharat, it would not join up with Bengal.

When he had Islamists take control of Bengal, I too questioned how this would happen, as he had stated that the Mon government of Hanthawaddy was pushing Buddhism. THis was DK's response:


 * "There were massive conversion efforts but most conversion efforts focus on using people's existing beliefs and explaining new beliefs in a way they understand. Islam and Buddhism are difficult to reconcile, so the conversion efforts wouldn't have made a huge impact. Sylhet has always been a center of Islam in Bengal since Shah Jalal ruled. We must also remember that Buddhism would have been the language of the upper class, so this would bring discontent among lower-class Muslims."

Bangladesh is today almost 90% Muslim. If the conversion efforts didn't have a large impact on the Muslims, I can't see more than about 10% converting. More Hindus would convert as Hinduism and Buddhism are easier to reconcile. Furthermore, as he stated, in the revolution the Islamists would be promoting Islam, and many Buddhists would leave to go to the surrounding areas as they would now no longer be the secure upper class. So the number of Muslims would be at least 80%, and probably by now after so long under an Islamist government and from Buddhist immigration, maybe even back up to 90%. I know you hate Muslims, but having 60% of a nation's population change religion in 20 years is utterly ridiculous. After 20 years of conversion, the religion of Bengal would probably be 80-85% Muslim and 15-20% Buddhist. LurkerLordB (Talk) 16:05, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Probaby just let the Arakans join up with the Peguans, and then give Bengal semi-autonomy within Bharat. LurkerLordB (Talk) 18:07, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

I honestly have no memory of mentioning any country next to Bhutan being conquered. Arakan is next to Burma, not Bhutan.

Religion just is not going to fluctuate that much in the modern era. The only major changes in religious demographics over the past 100 years are that people are giving up religion. The Muslims are not going to let their nation be overwhelmed by Buddhists. Unless you are planning to carry out a genocide of most of the Bengalese population, they're going to remain majority Muslim.

Any Nelson Mandela figure in this situation would be a Muslim, not a Buddhist. It would be ASB for a nation to go from around 80% Muslim to 30% Muslim in the Twentieth Century. LurkerLordB (Talk) 14:28, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

I suppose having the Muslims reduced to 45% is fine, but the Buddhists are going to have to be hit as well by the irreligion. Most leaders in activism movements have been part of the oppressed groups (all of the anti-colonial groups protesting for independence from the home nations, civil rights leaders in America, women's vote, etc.), the Muslims would not rally around a Buddhist leader due to the oppression. LurkerLordB (Talk) 17:28, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Having him be originally Muslim but then reject Islam as he begins his movement could work, something similar happened in the US with many black people rejecting Christianity and turning to Islam during the civil rights era. LurkerLordB (Talk) 18:39, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Russia (PM)
Empress Orvokki Komeiji has to apologise to Prince Ashok Ghandi, but says that she, along with the Finnish government, along with the Finns and Karelians, do not want to experience another Northern War, nor a war with Russia ever again. In fact, Finland has had enough. Ever since Sweden captured Finland around 1790s, Sweden has been mistreating Finland at times and was really difficult for Finland to handle. Plus the constant Swedish aggression against Russia, and being all power hungry and all has really scared and worried the Finns.

She says, that now ever since the fall of Sweden, some nations begin to see Finland as evil, despite that Sweden ruled over Finland for longer and done more stuff. She does not want to risk Finland in being seen as an ruthless nation. All she wants now, is for peace to remain in Scandinavia, and does not want to experience another war with Russia, or any other Scandinavian nation, ever again. All she wants is peace and stability to remain in the Nordic nations, as well as Russia.

She again apologises, and sheds tears. -Kogasa 18:53, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Empress Orvokki Komeiji mentions that Empress Sasakia (posthumous name for Empress Yuyuko Seppänen), had to sell some of the lands back to Russia to avoid another war. She originally tried to keep it for a bit longer but she really wanted to avoid a war. Empress Orvokki Komeiji says that she doesn't want to risk asking Russia for the lands again, as she will know they refuse and she doesn't want to break their restored relations (as in diplomatic relations). On the other hand, Empress Orvokki Komeiji will warmly and gladly welcome the Bharatis and will begin having some Hindu Temples be established, so that they can also be free to practice their religion as well. -Kogasa 19:14, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Empress Orvokki Komeiji will probably have two more cities be build and named New Mumbai and New Delhi, and is interested in doing so.

Empress Orvokki Komeiji also doesn't want Bharat to ask Russia either, as Russia will still look at Finland as if they asked, and she doesn't want to anger Russia. She wants to remain a stable relations with Russia, just like it was originally back in 1714, when Finland was in Union with Russia, and Russia helped to protect Finland the best they can.

She also would be in a tight situation as she doesn't want to betray her ally friends Bharat and Nippon nor does she want to be in a war against Denmark and Wales, as they are also friendly too. She also says that the Swedish issue has been causing lots of stress in Finland as well, so she can't really help in wars, either. Staying neutral would probably be the only option, but would risk having reduced relations with all her allies. She doesn't want Finland to fall apart because of it, either.

As for the official title, Empress Orvokki Komeiji doesn't have any ideas. (I never made up royal titles, and are kinda a bit complex, sorry.) D: -Kogasa 19:47, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

The Future of Bharat and Australia
Since Australia is almost an associated state of yours, and is very dependant on your actions, can you speak up a word for Australia, so it could keep the current territory? Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 10:20, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Sure! I wouldn't mind if you'd partially be Australia's boss, as for example OTL Great Britain and some arabian countries. They wouldn't exist if they wouldn't cooperate, eh? :D Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 11:12, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Green shall rule the world! I just wish that it could really be like OTL and Eetrea would act so fascist about all that. Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 11:37, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Well, that wouldn't be an independent fedeation if it was yellow :/ Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 11:45, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Because RPly I did not attend the conference, which means that I did not participate in the signing of any claims. And Von states that it's me who's "insulting" the claims. If people get forcefully taken into another country they must rebel, otherwise there is no roleplay. Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 12:12, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

It looks good, but you're missing one little little green spot at the northern territory. Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 12:33, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Nope! It's still there! Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 12:55, July 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((())))))))))))))))))))))))))) Anyway, you should watch "Is Anybody There? " Doctor261 ''' (Talk to me!) 13:00, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

The Commonwealth accepts the border change. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 15:48, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Pacific and Indian Treaty in Avaro
Sure, I'd love to. But do you mean India? (You said Bharat in your message. I can see from your talkpage you've had thet nation much in your toughts recently!)

I'm quitel glad someone else is trying to make a new Alliance. My own attampt, back in the 40s was LOAN, but it pretty much failed when all but two member nations (me and NG) quit the game. Callumthered 21:52, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I will. Callumthered 22:15, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

PMII Lithuania
How am I supposed to play as Poland too? :D Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 04:03, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Give away some land!? Hell no! Mongols too it from me last time, and this time I won't make a same mistake by declaring war on russians.



THANK YOU SO MUCH! Anyways, I have a proposed map for the Kingdom of Tunisia in Radioactive Tide Revised. TDZinc <font color="cornflowerblue">My dad is not a phone! DUH!!

The flag is very nice, Somehow the yellow and light blue actually make me think of an Indan/Pacific nation. Weird.

I've checked the game, and I haven't seen any offer. (I am quite bad at finding things, so could you perhaps just direct me to where you mentioned it...)

Thanks again for doing this. Callumthered (talk) 00:02, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

Haha, it's less than 100. That's what it said when I made the map. TDZinc <font color="cornflowerblue">My dad is not a phone! DUH!!

Radioactive Tide Revised
I'm coming back, do you want me to do the rules right away? and also I'll be happy to work out peoples moves on the rules board and do the map if you want me to, and I know the rules are complex :L but it's the best way to make sure that things are portrayed accurately and allows people to use greater strategy :D Kunarian (talk) 10:46, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

I'll make it as simple as possible whilst retaining the strategy of it all Kunarian (talk) 13:25, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

The rules are more for the moderators and operators and highly interested players, it's hard to break them anyways, people just need to get used to the realism, the best thing to do is as a moderator start new nations every couple of years or so, so that there's plenty to interact with. Kunarian (talk) 14:22, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

That's the best way to do it I would say :D Kunarian (talk) 14:36, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

accepted ;)
Ok, I will do it :D What do you think about the idea of the Timeline? :P

SOCr
Just thought I'd let you know that Spread of Communism Revised is now out. Hurry and you can get a good spot!Guns (talk) 05:19, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and A Mughal Destiny is a page now too.

Guns (talk) 07:30, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Australia
Viva la revolution ist eine happening if du nicht bring Viva el Independence to Viva la Australia.  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 15:56, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

RTr map
I've thrown together a map for RTr, all I need is roughly the place of Hind-Bharat and it's two vassals and everything is A-ok :D Kunarian (talk) 16:00, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Carefully, but more with simple determination to not let this thing die :L Kunarian (talk) 19:18, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Could you put the names of the vassals onto the nations bit please! :D Kunarian (talk) 12:04, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

RTr is starting tomorrow, finishing off things tonight. Kunarian (talk) 17:27, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

new time line
interested in helping with the new timeline im making? Nkbeeching

Do you care or what?
Are you actually following the news of Australia and what are their movements? Dude, there's a huge rebellion in your country and you do your turn like if nothing happened.  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 20:04, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Don't forget this once! I still want to have fun with PMI, which I haven't had for more than 30 years since you took me over.  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 04:27, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

No I couldn't. Putting my name in your wars is the worst thing I wanted.  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 12:31, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Make it 1960 and we agree.  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 12:49, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

That's exactly why I don't like round numbers! Now if you don't mind, I need to make plans on how to bombard India.  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 12:54, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Of course! By throwing flowers(mainly(sharp) roses) from my planes! Wouldn't it be awesome? *sarcastic talk* Hehe.  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 14:30, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

I think that your expansion is violating your own claims.not only by that France-Hungary-Bharat treaty, but event by what you posted when we tried to do a ATL Berlin conference.unless you wasn't there.then i mistook you for other player, but i think that you was there.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 19:38, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

search for Constantinople conference on the talk page.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 07:42, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

No, there is room, but as they probably aren't going to try anyway, the upcoming map has your expansion on OTL Niger, as you got access to it after annexing Sara.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 20:44, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

TL
its A Greater Spanish American War Nkbeeching

Have you worked out the stability scores for both of your nations? I always like to make a little mock algorithm so I know how the war is gonna go before I start the war to make sure I don't make a fool of myself. But when you do you have the support of all my nations practically. Russia has a fair bit of land I wouldn't mind getting my hands on... <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 15:03, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think either of you wants to do this.

If Russia is attacked, Wales, Scandinavia, Nouvelle Champagne, and New Wales will get in.

Then furthermore, if you are attempting to get land, if I am not mistaken, the SLD will get in. That's another seven nations right there.

What I see happening is Sakhalin and Kamchatka going to Russia. Not vice versa.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 16:47, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Like I say make up a mock algorithm and we can discuss. If the mock algorithm doesn't look favourable for us, then I would put it off. Not sure about Hungary joining us, they tend to stay quite neutral. Vietnam and China could be swayed into joining us I rate though. I'm sure if you try hard enough you could get any nation to join our side. TBH though, the difference in stability scores is the key in this war, as we should be able to match the other side in terms of allies. It'd be fun to mess up the space race too. I'd do it soon though, Scraw is probably gonna spread the word and they have time to prepare then. Also otherwise I'll have lost a lot of nations joining up with other nations to form new union nations (e.g. Saigyo, Federation of the Americas, etc.) <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 19:46, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

My stability is 5 and alone in an algorithm I get 27. Then there is my client state, Nouvelle Champagne, and this adds to my strength by two points. And then there is Russia, Wales, New Wales, and bucketload of other nations if the Russian Commonwealth joins. That Ukraine, Byelorussia, Poland, lithuania, Georgia, Kazahstan, South Africa, Novorossiya, etc etc. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:57, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

If you are planning a war with Russia I ask you to please reconsider. Wales is in a delicate position with alliances with Russia, Denmark the SDL and Nippon. We would be forced to declare nuetrality. I do not know what your playing at but they have nukes, alot of them. I know you do too, but this just seems like a bad idea. Hypotheticaly Wales could be swayed by a nice portion of land to be added to Wales. But that is a mere hypothetical. Unlikely to pursue any course unless a good reason is given.Andr3w777 (talk) 01:57, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Bloody hell Imp, we need a more secret way of communicating to stop everyone else from spying in at us! <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 09:58, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Dravidia will stand by Bharat in any war. However, be warned that if Bharat badly loses the war, Dravidia will be less inclined to stay in union with them, and the probability of revolts among the minorities in Bharat (particularly the Mughals in Mughalistan and other Muslims) is going to increase (if Russia loses, they will have a chance of revolts as well). If Bharat wins though, they can expect greater unity than before. LurkerLordB (Talk) 15:22, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

I assumed that if Japan and Finland had been informed by Bharat, that Dravidia would have as well, as they are right next to each other and in dynastic union.

Also, in case this threat comes up, the Soveriegnty Defense League will only intefere if you go to war in order to topple the government of Russia and annex it all or break it totally apart or make it into a puppet state. Disputing land, presumably large portions being in Asia where many people aren't even ethnic Russian, wouldn't be a cause for the SDL to take alarm. LurkerLordB (Talk) 17:18, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Sort of, check your Chatango private messages ;) <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 19:36, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Principia Moderni
You are not permitted to edit past turns on Principia Moderni. Modifying already finished turns causes continuity problems and results in confusion. Your edits have been undone. Further attempts to edit past turns on your part will result in you temporarily being suspended from the game. LurkerLordB (Talk) 15:36, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

The Seven Years War!
There's a new map game. And the title says it all. Wanna join? RandomWriterGuy (talk) 21:22, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Imp, I really hate to say this, but are you an idiot? You actually asked Wales if it is interested in attacking Russia and its allies? Wales is a member of the RUSSIAN COMMONWEALTH for God's sake! I can't believe you actually asked him that! Besides, Wales, Scandinavia, and Russia are part of the Triple Alliance, and we are one supranational organization! Telling Wales to attack the other two nations is like saying "Why don't you go and attack your western and northern states?"

Really, I would apologize for calling you an idiot, I am sorry, and I would take my words back, but I can't believe you actually said that.

And thirdly, this war is not going to be Asia vs. Russia. There has never ever been a war that has several nations attacking one nation, and that one nation not having any other naitons on its side. And I won't meddle with your propaganda (to Yank, Crim, etc) if you don't meddle with my propaganda (Althistoryman, Stewdio, Willster). Deal?

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:54, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Read his talkpage. He objected. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:12, July 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * )  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 20:09, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

re:PM stuff
I'd love to have a joint space program. As for the war, I'm not sure. I'm in a difficult spot because I'm allies with you and Russia. I think I'm going to be neutral. If nukes start flying, however, I'm backing you up. As for expansion, I don't have any colonies. You may expand Dongfang if you wish.

"India" in NN
Hey, Imp. Long time no talk, how are you?

So, I know you're kind of an expert on Indian history. I just had a question. In my timeline No Napoleon, basically, Napoleon dies early, France becomes more powerful, and the British lose both World Wars. What I was thinking as a result of their loss in WWII was that the British would be forced to give up British Raj, and this would be before the British would have time to draw up new borders to partition the land. So, my question is: if the British don't partition British Raj, do you think it has the possibility of staying united in No Napoleon? Thanks! ChrisL123 (talk) 00:48, July 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Before I start, I have to say: it's almost like you read my mind. After I posted on your talk page I started considering Afghanistan annexing some lands ( stood out the most to me), and I do think they will be annexed. I really appreciate the maps by the way, I couldn't find really good ones.


 * As for Burma, I'm not too sure. I was thinking that they would be split off from British Raj and become a protectorate of France, but I'm not too sure that's plausible. I think I'll keep them in the "confederation" for now, but I'll look more into it. Thanks so much. If I have any more questions or concerns, you'll be the first I talk to, haha. Regards, ChrisL123 (talk) 17:58, July 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Why thank you, this is great. And don't worry about removing the border, I'm going to use it as a basemap for a coloured version, so it'll be fixed. Thanks again! ChrisL123 (talk) 01:36, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

International Relations
...You do realize that all of those countries are rather isolationist, right?

Overall, they aren't going to have relations with most of the world, past a certain level. Think about it - no country has active dealings with all others, after all.

Lordganon (talk) 08:27, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, and I'm happy to know that your reasonable. --<font COLOR="878787">"Truth fears no questions..." 18:55, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yes sir. --<font COLOR="878787">"Truth fears no questions..." 18:59, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Lincoln's Mistake
i changed the name of my timeline, question can you help me make the timeline not ASB i dont want it deleted or avoided ill start the Timeline soon and expand it appropiately. Nkbeeching

ok will do i want your help mainly with central asia, and the middle east along with helping with designing the tl and once ive started written the storyline from view point characters ill posting the chapters in this webpage unless im note allowed. ~Nkbeeching

like i said before on a few occasion im a fan of the author Harry Turtledove. and i will be making to seperate areas for the tl their will be the world explanationwhich will have the important world figures, country information, and the TL ofcourse, then ill have the Chapter section which will be from VP characters as explained i like this idea because in the TimeLine its very general and makes you feel outside of the world with view point characters you will see the world through their eyes be it during peace raising their family in the world situation or in the brutal wars area complete with detail. your help is also needed with designing characters ill probably be starting the who AH with the chapters then start building the timeline. ~Nkbeeching

Vivaporius and Maximum Systema
Imp, if you'll look at the first few games he's played, others and I have attempted to show him where he is wrong. Yet he persisted to continue with his implausibility.

Everyone is implausible when they first play. I have not seen anyone who is plausible when they start. However, I have seen nearly everyone accept when they are wrong.

Example: My first game was Vive la Revolution! I actually allied with Austria and Russia, and I was the Ottomans. Where's the plausibility in that? However, Fed showed me that we were mortal enemies, and I accepted that I was wrong.

Example: His first game was Triple Entente vs. Central Powers. Great game. However, he attempted to conquer Portugal's colonies as Liberia in 1910. MP, Chris, and I showed him that if hee tried such a thing, he would become a new Portuguese colony. Not vice versa.

As a matter of fact, we would have been on very good terms had he accepted the advice of others when he started.

Take my experience in Allies vs Entente, my second game. I was Canada, and I declared independence. Someone told me that Canada was a dominion anyways and loyal to the crown. I ceased with my independence talk until France freed from Britain in a war. See? I give in.

In his second game, Imperialism, he was Ethiopia. He claimed to discover Africa. Nkbeeching and I both attempted to show that it was impossible. He repeatedly told us it was possible. He said he didn't have to wait for Europeans to discover anything before Ethiopia heard of it. We agreed, but we said that Ethiopia's navy did not have the capacity to travel to Australia. It was a truth. He denied.

We offered him a peace. His response is awaited.

Oh, and it'd be appreciated if you didn't write f***ing, even if you are using it as a gesture of support. That's just my opinion though.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum.

Take a look at what I wrote on MP's talk in regards to the map issue.

Check out Terra Australis on Wikipedia.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:29, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

OK, I suppose all is well then! :D Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:57, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

I'd rather provoke them into attacking. Go on chat page. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:47, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Hello. I'm just curious, but, what house is Prince Ashok Ghandi under? For house, I mean like Imperial House of Japan (Yamato Dynasty), House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg, House of Holstein-Gottorp, House of Norodom, House of Orange-Nassau etc. -Kogasa 09:17, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

I suppose. You can add Nippon, Chamoru, Shuubudan, Saigyo, the federation of the Americas and the commonwealth of Eetoria & Ngainkeha to the algorithm. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 14:13, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

The Commonwealth of Eetoria and Ngainkeha has always been 1 nation in the algorithm, the federation of the americas is a new nation so you might be able to get away with it that way. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 15:03, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Dubstep = Death
No, I don't like it. I used to like how SkrilleX composes, but... Duh...  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 16:02, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

What are you talking about?--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 07:04, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

RE: New survivor nation
Hey Imp! I certainly wouldn't mind, and while I'm starting to drift over to AlternateHistory.com, I don't mind working over here!

However, there is an important thing to note: we agreed, quite a while back, that there can't plausibly be any more large survivor 'nations' in Britain without majorly violating canon. However, small city states are entirely possible, and I've been floating around the idea in my head for quite a while now of a short-lived 'movement' made up of Britain's Romanies, Irish travellers, and caravaners briefly managing to work together to trade up and down the broken interior of the country in the 80s. Do you have any ideas? I'd love to hear 'em, and we can find something that we're both really enthusiastic for! (Though you're so darn enthusiastic about anything, it'll be hard to tell. ;-) )

As for AKITE, I haven't made any actual progress, it's all still up in the head, though I may revisit it now and then and build it up, slowly. Alternatively, if you're really interested, I could try setting up the initial premise, get the free Poles to the other side of WWII and then make it a more 'open' project... Feg (talk) 08:23, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Mwhahahahaha! The plan worked perfectly! I'll be implementing stage 2 next turn! <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 09:53, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Right stage 2 will happen next turn, but I need your help with step 2 so help me protect Hanover already! Also stop that war against Tsalagi, we're gonna negotiate with it to get it to join the FofA anyway. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 21:29, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Flags
Thanks for the flag. It's just what I wanted. Can you help me by making a British flag that puts more emphasis on the Scottish flag? Yank 21:25, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

I like the red one. Can you make a Nipponized Dutch flag for me? Yank 23:17, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

OK. Eight digits. Allow me to recalculate. 6 time 8 is 48, times 2.5, is 120. Still very high. Only a loss of 15. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:26, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

What on earth are you talking about? 8^1.25 means eight to the power of 1.25. It reads like this: 81.25

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:12, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

Axis vs Allies: Revolutions
Hi Imp, I made the fourth installation to Axis vs Allies, and according to the talk page of Aravo, you called Germany. I'm just wondering if you're still interested in it. Thanks!

PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 15:53, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

Check your chatango messages before doing anything! News on the next stages of the plan! <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 19:17, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

I mean, seriously do. Otherwise you won't understand my actions, and why they aren't following the plan. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 19:43, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

You wanna Brit nation!
Right, let's get brainstorming!

Okay, so that area looks like southern Derbyshire. I imagine if we're doing a traveller state or something, it would make sense to put it on the M1, since that's a pretty obvious way to get around! If you shuffle it a little further south, you could put it in the triangle between the M1, M6, and M69. This puts it near the nuked remnants of Coventry, Leicester, and Birmingham though, but does give good routes! Looking a bit further north there's Loughborough as an option, which has the advantage of several reasonably nearby reserviors, and a town named 'Coalville' nearby - guess the advantages of a place called that!

Bear in mind though that this entire area is surrounded by pretty big nuked towns. This isn't a particularly pleasant place to be but conversely it's exactly the kind of gritty scavenger-land that I picture central England to be these days. We'd need to consider the impetus for someone to really settle here.

Hopefully, though, that's given you a good enough idea!

As for the map, by the way, I'm afraid not - I was gonna ask you where you found it, because it's a good one! :P

Feg (talk) 21:54, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

If you're interested, I've been toying with an idea of mine for quite a while, which posits a rogue German general generating an anti-Nazi faction sometime in 1944, which then leads (somehow) into a larger divided Germany (ie still with Silesia). The German rebels, who are easily more anticommunist than anti-West, decide to try and deflect some of the Soviet focus from them by assassinating Stalin and framing the Yugoslavians for it. This leads to the Soviets putting more focus on southeast Europe and getting caught in a grueling guerilla war in Yugoslavia and the Balkans in general. The war ends early enough for the Soviets to still be only about two-thirds of the way through Poland, though they still get a sizeable occupation zone stretching from the Elbe eastwards to Silesia. This leaves Czechia (but not necessarily Slovakia) and western Poland in 'free' hands, along with a divided Austria, and maybe even a free Sudetenland. Between 1944-1950 the Soviet leadership falls over itself trying to replace Stalin, involving the destruction of the NKVD and severe weakening of the state. In addition the US refuses to supply any more vehicles via lend-lease to help the Soviets in their growing Balkan disaster. In the early 50s the Soviet Union collapses along ethnic lines, with the major Soviet generals and politicians becoming warlords. A brief 'Soviet Union' successor is forged out of Belarus, eastern Poland, Slovakia and bits of Ukraine, but it's short-lived and collapses within a few years. The result of this is a free and very balkanised eastern Europe and Russia, which then takes a humongous Marshall Plan to help pick up the pieces. An economic confederation akin to the ECSC and later EEC builds up around the German states, which remain non-integrated (and include small independent oddities like Sudetenland, Bavaria, and an independent Rhineland) which acts as the centre for economic integration of the Europe, given its large span and central location. By the present day this has drawn in pretty much all of Europe into a strong and stable community, with the East more on-par with the West, especially Romania and Poland. Feg (talk) 09:55, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

It sounds like you've got the timeline idea pretty much crystal clear; my only addition would be that the German union would draw in peripheral nations through momentum - such as the Low Countries, parts of southern Europe. It'd be a sort of union-within-a-European-union. By the way, that's a very good idea about the Slavic countries, I really like that, and it would help add to the Soviet Union breaking up on ethnic lines!

As for the nation, I imagine you'll find certain other editors questioning how large it could plausibly be, but I think it would fit comfortably in the little triangle I showed. It's got reasonably good farmland and after all, as travellers, they can bring it in from elsewhere. I'm trying to think of a realworld analogy... maybe imagine it as some kind of 'land-port'? Feg (talk) 18:17, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

I just did some basic maths, and the smaller triangle I originally posited is 71.3 square miles, whereas the larger one is 362.5! There's not a problem with this, though, if we simply call your larger triangle some kind of 'economic hinterland' and have the smaller triangle the centre of administration (or at least historically the centre, and it's beginning to expand outwards). I imagine an oligarchy could work if you give the whole thing a faintly corporate twist, which is how it'd plausibly end up. However, I imagine the majority of its profits would come through taxes and tariffs, and offsetting the paperwork of the trading through some kind of incentive (eg hospitals, security, or similar) so that visiting travellers don't simply conduct their business just outside the city to circumvent the tariffs.

As for the scenario, I'd be tempted to have Yugoslavia break up though, though mostly because I just love lots of little countries. While genocide/ethnic cleansing could certainly be a major part of this early Yugoslav War, I doubt it would be effective enough to wipe out everyone, especially since the Croats, Bosnians etc will be able to get their hands on plenty of war surplus, as opposed to the Serbs who in OTL simply inherited the entire Yugoslav army.

Feg (talk) 08:38, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

Africa in SM
I almost forgot about your message :P

Thanks for the suggestion, Imp! Heh, to be honest with you I haven't ever stopped about thinking about Africa in SM since we had the discussion and you saved me from a large pithole in my timeline, so thanks. :D 22:05, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

Delhi in PMII
Hey Imp,

I'm sorry to inform you that the Delhi Sultanate in PMII's current map is about 90% too large. I am in the process of fixing the map and the Delhi Sultanate actually controlled Delhi and the surrounding countryside in 1450. They expanded to that extent over the next 100 years. If you wish to take the largest Indian state I suggest Vijayanagra, the Janputs, Rajputs or the Bahami which are all about the same size.

Scandinator (talk) 09:36, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

Its 5000km or 100px per turn for grey areas but chances are they will attack when territory is now seized in this way. I suggest a mixture of diplomacy and brute force to unite India this time. Scandinator (talk) 12:29, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

Exactly :D Scandinator (talk) 13:17, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

However it controlled trade in the East Med and had numerous outposts in the Balkans. Venice was at the peak of its power and at the time was the only nation in the region that could and would stand up to the Ottoman Empire. If I play it right I could get most of the Balkans and become a colonial power due to my navy. Scandinator (talk) 13:59, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to combat the Ottomans as well as the HRE Italian States. I plan to unify Italy, my first move will be to offer Novogrod, the Papal States, England, France and Castille an alliance in order to pressure the HRE and Aragon. I'm plotting to smack the Ottomans in a couple of big wars and then focus on Northern Italy. Also there may not be any European contact with South or East Asian states till 1500 as communications were not that crash hot back then. Scandinator (talk) 14:15, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

Your Plan/PMII
I would be interested in getting that land, but do I actually have to put in work for it, or would you just give it to me?

In PMII, Scraw, Andrew, and I are going to unify the HRE into a single nation, similar to what you might do in India. An alliance between the two would be useful.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 20:09, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

Scraw wants to conquer India, just an fyi. Also the map is not finished, Western and Southern Europe are done and so is Japan. There's a lot of work still :P. If you want to see the progress go to the PMII main page. Scandinator (talk) 12:53, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

Uh...the hell you talking about? Ya realize I am the most powerful HRE state? You realize we have a master plan to consolidate the Holy Roman Empire? You realize that Venice is going to be part of that if we give him Genoa and Lubeck? You can forget about all your plans.

And remember that India (especially the Delhi Sultanate) was predominantly Muslim at the time, so the chances of it becoming Buddhist will have to wait until you conquer a Buddhist state. Then someone from that states could take over your Superindia. Then you can make it Buddhist. I'm sorry, but I think you're going to be stuck with a Muslim India for a while.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:24, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

Mmm hmm. You  really  don't get it.

First of all, we'll be done in Europe before you.

And it's like the current Wales-Russia-Denmark thing. The enemy of one is the enemy of all, the ally of one is the ally of all.

You just watch when we crush you. Just wait for it.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:09, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

Whatever you posted, I didn't get, cause my talk page went blank. Care to post again?

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:38, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

So have you had a chance to see my Orange Computers page? I tried to base it off of Apple, since nobady bothered to do a parallel. Also I would be interested when we reach the cell phone age for a partnership to create the uPhone(iPhone parody) something like you build hardware, we do software or something to that effect.These are not the droids you are looking for. 21:52, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

Sure thing, I had an inkling you wanted it. Orange yellow was reserved for you since that first request so no need to worry. I'm not gonna work on the map for a while, I'm doing major exams :S I'll be back on the 7th. Scandinator (talk) 19:28, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

Pan-Chinese Summit (1983: Doomsday)
For the sake of all Chinese nations, the NPRC has cordially invited Gansu to a summit in the city of Hanyang in regards to the economic, political, and military integrity of China as a whole.

(See Pan-Chinese Summit of 2012 for detalis)

Canuck2012 (talk) 20:00, July 29, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

Union Self-Defence Forces (PM)
Just to let you know, but the Self-Defence Forces are only meant to defend the homeland itself. By combining both the Finnish Self-Defence Forces with your military, that means that your military will only be allowed to defend it's homeland and not participate in wars. The Self-Defence Forces work and function like otl.

If you want to continue to fight for your allies, it's best to keep our military separate: so therefore I have my own Finland Self-Defence Forces (which functions similar to otl Japan Self-Defence Forces) and you can maintain your own military. -Kogasa 21:11, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

I do try to read all the posts, but sometimes I get lost when I read. And I get what you mean. :]

Yes, there are a few kids (all of them female): there's Terhikki (born 1970), Lumikki (born 1967), and Satsuki Komeiji (born 1969). I'm going to have Satsuki Komeiji succeed Orvokki Komeiji as Empress when she (Orvokki) dies in 1988. -Kogasa 22:47, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Komeiji-Ghandi shall be their last name. By the way, who will be the successor to Maharaja Ashok Ghandi? -Kogasa 21:05, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Could your nations help the Kingdom of France in their latest war against the People's Republic of France please? You can have my nations aid Bharat in their reclamation war if you help me. Scratch my back, I'll scratch yours ;) <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:02, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

Well you do have a lot of nationalities under 1 empire. Are you following the rules about maximum colonies and stuff? It might be because of that, remember only 3 colonies now.

Also add your nations to my algorithm and I'll add mine to yours. Its more professional that way <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:08, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

I'm just hoping it don't happen to me. My empire is basically all Japanese very homogeneous, like no major minority groups in Nippon really. Also you added your nations to the wrong algorithm (that war is already over), I moved it myself to save you the hassle. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:15, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

Check ur chatango messages my friend <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 08:53, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Sig...
Yup :) I got the idea like 3 days ago . . . :D PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:25, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Because Sindu isn't a colony anymore.since all the states surrounding it are grey, this expansion only would apply if Sindu was a colony. as apparently, is a independent nation, you are going to have to declare war on those states to expand on them.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 07:06, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Principia Moderni
You are now unbanned. Also, Bihar and Kashmir have broken away (Bihar being the former Hanthawaddy vassal), but I made a moderator event saying no minorities currently living in Bharat want to break away, so as long as you don't try to conquer back any of the recently broken away lands, no more revolts will occur. Also, Dravidia decided to join Bharat proper. LurkerLordB (Talk) 01:26, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

I think it was because Baluchistan broke away, I guess they took the rest of Afghanistan with them? You'll have to ask Yankovic for clarification, he made all the recent Bharati break-up events. LurkerLordB (Talk) 21:41, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

The map for PMII is up to date. Care to see? Scandinator (talk) 06:52, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

Bahrami was established in 1347 and Vijayanagara in 1336. Scandinator (talk) 01:28, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

Flag Request
I need another custom flag from you. I just recently created a new nation called the United Republic of Atlantica. It's a fusion of former Vietnamese, French and Russian colonies. It would have a field of either yellow or white taken from a Russian flag, the red stripes from the Vietnamese flag and a French fleur-de-lis in the middle. Just take the Vietnamese flag I incuded, change the background to the yellow of the Russian flag, and expand the gap in the stripe wide enough to insert a sizable fleur-de-lis. Can you do it?

Yank 03:16, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Look over?
Hey, Imp. Sorry for the late reply, I'm on vacation and don't have access to my computer a lot. Anyway, I have looked it over, and it does look like you've got it right. In fact, I think you've added a few things that I never thought of, and it works well. Regards, ChrisL123 (talk) 22:56, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

Le map
Awesome, nicely done. It brings out the scale of it, actually; I'm not saying that it's too large to fit, only that there's surprisingly less space in central England than I'd imagine! So when'll the article get set up? ~ Feg

Nazis Switzerland and Kurdistan
I actually like that idea, makes it unusual for most timelines. I would go with joining Germany, and I'm thinking Kurdistan will be good. Possibly declared independence during the Invasion of Iraq by the Coalition. Enclavehunter (talk) 19:51, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

A Darker Place
i will be starting the central asian timeline soon and i could use your know of india to build it. if you are interested look at the timeline and give me a heads up. Icould also use your advise on weithr or not its plausible and not ASB.

Nkbeeching

Name (PM)
Hello.

Could you help me translate Satsuki Ghandi-Komeiji's name into Hindi? If not then its okay. -Kogasa 2012年8月28日 06:13:23 (JST)

Also is it Ghandi or Gandhi? I'm kind of confused. Or are both separate names? -Kogasa 2012年8月29日 02:09:58 (JST)

I see.

Maybe could try to take the meaning of the names and then translate it to create a name? Like Komeiji (古明地) means literally 'ancient-bright earth' while the Kanji used for Satsuki, 咲月, means 'blossom, moon'.

Of course the name may turn out different in Hindi then in Japanese, but at least the meaning stays the same. -Kogasa 2012年8月29日 02:17:24 (JST)

Length not an issue. Thanks for your help! ^^ -Kogasa 2012年8月29日 02:35:32 (JST)

Axis vs Allies Reloaded
The game has started, please post.

Thanks, PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 18:59, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

SHIZ!!! I made the same mistake then on like 6 other people lol... PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:30, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Heh, and look what I found online :P

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/5642/hehegv.jpg

PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:55, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Heh, and take a look at this :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsj_3c8mA3M

PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:31, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Flags (Principia Moderni)
I need some more flags. Feel free to finish them when you can. I know that it is impossible to rush perfection. I'm going to be vague because I know you're going to hit the mark anyway. Yank 03:34, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Britain- I need a flag of the Scotish flag done in the Irish flag's colours, as England as split.
 * Baishan- The flag needs the Taiwanese sun shape and the colours of white and dark blue.
 * Gaiana- The flag of Suriname with Vietnamese accents.
 * Ruthenia- This flag needs to be based on Belarus's quilted flag.
 * Zanzibar- needs to be based on, but distinct from, the OTL Zanzibar flag
 * England- the OTL English flag, but as a Nordic cross to denote it's history as a Swedish possession.
 * Dekèsàsī- The OTL Texas flag with traditional Chinese elements and colours
 * Dongfang- The OTL Qing flag with the Mexican eagle eating a snake in the place of the circle.
 * Jiāzhōu- California's flag, again with Chinese styling.
 * Karibu- The flag of the short-lived West Indies Federation, but with the dragon from OTL South Vietnam's COA in the circle in the middle of the flag.

You did perfect as usual.

Yank 22:10, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

German-Soviet SECRET Meeting
Soviet Minister: We agree to these terms. When shall the war with Poland commnece? Enclavehunter (talk) 22:53, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Soviet Minister: Agreed. The first time Blitzkrieg would be used. Enclavehunter (talk) 23:05, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Hindu denominations
On no maps that I have seen of religions are there every any distinctions between the different sort of Hindus (Saivists, Smartists, Shaktists, etc.)    Is this because of the people making the maps being ethnocentric and not caring about the different sorts of Hindus, or do the different schools get along so well no distinction is made? LurkerLordB (Talk) 03:02, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

Implausible Alt. Wiki
Owen1983 banned me on that site for no reason, other than the time I trolled him like a year ago (I was immature back then lol), could you please get someone to unban me? While I really don't care about the site, I don't like being blocked lol. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 20:32, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

He claims I am IP 90.244.84.192, who vandalized the wiki. However, a simple check would have revealed that the IP he claims is mine is in the UK... Please help lol. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 21:02, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

hey imp, long time no talk. I want Italy and Germany to grow closer in avaro revolutions so why dont we open up trade and possibly form an alliance. Proud Leader of the Althistory Revolution (User talk:DeanSims) 21:22, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Heh, thanks for talking to Dean, but as I was about to say thank you on Imp. Alt. Wiki, guess what? I got blocked again! Luckily, it's only for one day. But it's getting damn annoying. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 00:14, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

hopefuly it's sorted out now. further messages about this can be placed on "that wiki" Wingman1 (talk) 11:40, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Secret Diplomatic Mission to Berlin from Hungary. Can be deleted if wished.
As long as Hungary can be a soverign independent nation, we accept Germany's offer of an alliance, and to become a Fascist nation. Besides, Hungarians are impressed at how Germany is recovering from thie recession, and look up to Hitler as a powerful leader. We all suffered from the Great War, and the British and French took everything from us, so we know how the Germans felt.

Also, we ask if they are willing to help out in a future planned invasion of Romania, where in return, 50% of Romania's oil will go to Germany, as long as we get the rest of the country, along with the long missed access to the sea. Stewdio333 (talk) 05:22, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

What's your nation? Delhi?

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:40, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

In case Yank comes back, and accepts my apology for screwing up his plan for a re-unified Austria-Hungary, could Austria join the alliance with Hungary and Germany? And also, how did the United States find out about this? (LOL) Stewdio333 (talk) 09:04, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

In another diplomatic message to Germany, Hungarian military commanders have come up with a planned invasion of Czechoslovakia. The Germans could invade the west (Czechland), while the Hungarians could invade the east (Slovakia).

The idea is to seperate the country, Hungarians plan to rile the Slovaks up, by trying to get them to rise up against their Czech "masters". We don't really care what happens to the Czechs, you are free to do as you please to them. Our two nations could invade the country, us Hungarians will set up a puppet state of the "Republic of Slovakia", however, the country will be under Hungarian control, claiming it to be "protection". This will also be a good source of recruits, as they will join the Royal Hungarian Army. Many of the best Slovak pilots and plane engineers will also be given good treatment, to work with the Royal Hungarian Air Force, as part of propaganda for Slovakia to stay aligned to us.

What do you think of this plan? Stewdio333 (talk) 10:15, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

PM II
Hello.

Would you like an alliance with the Ashikaga Shogunate (Japan)? Shogun Ashikaga Yoshimasa would like a strong ally to help protect Lady Satori Komeiji's Japan from the threats of Black Belt China and Gangnam Style Korea and to ensure peace can be in East Asia (I'm already trying to get rid of the Japanese Pirates (which disrupt peace), but China and Korea are impatient and will threaten to attack me, all I want is peace between the three (Japan, China, Korea) :[ ).

In return, the Ashikaga Shogunate (Japan) will support you in wars and will aid you in your unification of India.

Lastly, later on in the game (maybe around 1650s-1700s) you interested in a Dynastic Union between India and Japan? -Kogasa 2012年9月05日 20:32:19 (JST)

I was going to have the Chishima islands and part of the Russian Far East as part of Japan itself instead of colony D: (if I make it a colony, the lands I want in Russia would be lost after 1945, as it would be over the maximum pixels amount for colony (25,704 px).)

How about I don't fight the Ainu and just instead try to convince them to just join Japan but their cultures and language will be left alone? -Kogasa 2012年9月06日 06:16:03 (JST)

Hey, I need German aid in Avaro in fighting the French and British. Turkey and Italy have already thrown their gloves into the fight, and the Soviets are pending. Help us, your our only hope. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 21:01, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

His Ducheness of Italy offers Germany a full miliutary and economic allaince to the Great German Empire and its Fuhrer Hitler. We hoe you will accept. Proud Leader of the Althistory Revolution (User talk:DeanSims)  23:25, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Coming Back?
Hungary and other Fascist states miss you! And besides, we can't move continue a WW2 Map Game without Germany. Also, I'm thinking of forming something like the OTL Axis, which I have yet to mention to the other allies. Stewdio333 (talk) 02:12, September 12, 2012 (UTC)

Germany is asked to invade France immediately as well as not to invade Soviet Union due to the fact that we need to keep them as an ally otherwise we will lose this war. please invade France now! Proud Leader of the Althistory Revolution (User talk:DeanSims)

Axis Alliance (AvARe)
ill make one thing clear Japan at the moment has little interest in joining the Axis but we will remain observant of the situation and decide in the future but one thing is to remain clear the dutch east indies are an area of japanese interest not one island is to become german, italuan or any other other nation's it will become an independent nation under japanese influence.

Indonesia
Sorry Imp im going to liberate the whole of Indonesia and make it a puppet state not a single island in the Dutch East Indies are going to the Axis either accept this or youll push japan will join the allies. You can do what you want with the Neatherlands and Suriname but the Dutch East Indies are going to join the E.A.T.S.P. that is non-negotiable Nkbeeching

SECRET Message to Germany from Hungary!
Austria has remained neutral (do to no player taking over for Austria), and has assisted neither side, but they don't seem to be accepting of forming an alliance with us, without complete reunification. What would happen if Germany invaded Austria. Adolf Hitler is Austrian, wouldn't they be supportive of an Anchluss between Austria and Germany? Stewdio333 (talk) 05:39, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Lordganon has ordered me to change my signature when it hasnothing vulgar or offenisve in it. Also,the signature is used all over wikias network, and therefor he has no authority over my signature unless it is vulgar or contains profanity, which it does not. It is not a position of power, as LG states, it is just a creative signature that does not harm anyone or insult anyone. What do i do????? help me imp

Proud Leader of the Althistory Revolution (Talk) 11:52, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

i love it, could you make a signature like that for me please????? Im not good with making them with links. (Talk) 12:38, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

AND THANK YOU FOR IVADING FRANCE!!!! (Talk) 12:42, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Here's my map so far of post war world, not sure about Canada and Australia but South Africa is supposed to be a remnant state of Britain while India is granted full independace and full membership in the Axis Powers. Hope you like it ~Dean

Avare
Behold! The Allied land proposal to Fuhrer Adolf Hitler and his mighty Reich!



All you have to do to accomplish this is to attack Italy and the Soviets. Consider yourself the third side in this war. You will have Allied support because we will share a common enemy.


 * 1) Thou shall receive Poland, Lithuania, Czechland, Austria, Slovenia, and parts of the USSR into the Reich.
 * 2) Thou shall regain all German colonies lost during WWI.
 * 3) Thou shall gain protectorate power over the Netherlands, shared with France. #Thou shall gain Suriname as a German colony.
 * 4) Thou shall gain Finland but only by war after WWII if thou wish.

But, thou must abide by two binding terms of all: Thou shall decolonize, all colonies except one or two of your choosing and thou shall democratize medially, and thou shall be assured that thy then American friend shall impose decolonization on ours own friends the Britons and the Gallics.

And now thou shall meet ours own treaty if thou shall agreeth with the terms.

Treaty of Utopia City (name will be changed when and if we decide on a location to meet)
Article One: The Transferrings of Land

Should the German Third Reich agree to the required terms that precede this treaty, then large swathes of enemy territory shall be given to the Germans in exchange for land elsewhere. The important lands of Poland, Czechland, and Suriname shall be transferred to Germany as they wish and the German colonies taken at Versailles shall be returned.

Article Two: The Release of Colonial Lands

Each colonial power that is also a signatory of this treaty shall have to release all but one or two of their colonial possessions by the year of 1963.

Article Three: The Independence or Losst of Sovereignty of Several Areas

Transcaucasia shall be given independence. If Turkey or Persia is a signatory, it shall receive these lands.

The Soviet Union will return Mongolian lands taken by the Russian Empire in the Sino-Russian War to China. Furthermore the Manchu lands taken in the same war shall be awarded to the Empire of Japan and its subordinate state the Empire of Manchuria.

The Soviet Union shall give independence to the areas of Central Asia, to form te nations of Kazakhstan, Turkestan, and Turkmenistan. Remaining lands shall be given to Afghanistan if it shall be a signatory of this treaty.

The Samoyedic areas shall be given independence, with the Peninsula of Kamchatka awarded to the Empire of Japan and the remainder becoming the Consulate of Samoyeda.

Colombia, if it should sign this treaty, shall gain large areas of Venezuela for the Venezuelan atacks on a non-belligerent nation.

India, and the areas known to be Pakistan and Burma, shall be given independence frmo the British Empire by 1955 at the latest, and Ceylon at 1960, and the Muslim easternmost area of India known as Bengal shall also be given independence to prevent violence between the religous Hindus and Muslims inhabiting India.

The Catalons shall be awarded their independence from Spain.

Article Four: Transgression and Retreating

If any signatory nation shall go beyond or fail to comply with the terms set, then the other signatory nations shall impose trade sanctions upon that nation and take up military arms against such a nation after three years of noncompliance. Other than this, signatory nations may not war with each other until 1950.

Discussion
What do you think? You may change some things, but only about Germany. Nothin about India, ot it? XD, I know you want to do something about it, but you can't.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:30, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Active
Are you still active, or are you on wikibreak? PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:44, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Caution! (PMII)
I would like to inform you that the massive Devine Muslim Empire has begun expanding and such into India, by trying to take the Bahmani and Delhi Sultanates. If this continues, they may take more of India, including Hindu states! They also have plans for South East Asia as well....

You must come back to Vijayanagar! You need to save your Hindu friends from the DME expansion! -Kogasa 2012年10月03日 09:00:20 (JST)

No need to worry just yet, we're just taking over Muslim states. Hence we help Bahmani and Malacca. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 12:25, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Shattered Unity
Hey Imp, I was going to continue work on the Federation of Bharati Planets on the Shattered Unity wiki. I've been thinking of stuff for it and since I've gotten back to work on the site, I was going to develop the nations. Letting you know ahead of time, so if you want to continue its up to you. If you don't, I was going to finish. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 03:07, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

PM2
Hey I notice you haven't posted much on PM2 recently. The Caliphate have offered Vijayanagar a non-aggression treaty and a trading pact to be formed between Vijayanagar and the Caliphate. Do you accept? And do play some more please, you don't want your nation falling into disarray. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 13:17, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

So you accept the Caliphate's non-aggression treaty and trading pact or not? <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 16:51, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

Good to hear! I'm in charge of the Indian states & I can assure you us in the Caliphate won't attack you (well my provinces definitely won't). <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 21:18, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

PMII
i find the division suitable but i wont stop with malacca my plans are set on the entire malaysian archipaelago. but yeah at the right time we will see what we do. Nkbeeching

Axis Vs Allies Revolution
Rejoin itll be great and you can be an independent india i want to get involved in a mini-coldwar with india which would probably otl PRC since ive smashed china to peices.

Well seeing the Caliphate is a big power house and that area was conquered by Bahmani too, I don't think I can agree to letting those areas go. Seeing how negotiations have gone on for ages between Deccan & Hindustan (check past posts) I think this could be the reasoning why they went on for so long. So no I don't think it'd be right for the Caliphate to agree to this particular deal.

I would like a no-strings attached trading pact though. Also a neutrality pact, we leave each other alone.

Apologises I can't accept your deal though, its just the Caliphate isn't the type of nation which I can see giving away land like this. That said when it breaks up, perhaps then Hindustan wins a few wars against the collapsing Caliphate & you get that land then? ;) <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:29, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Well Bengal is Muslim so the Caliphate would be more inclined to join with Bengal to attack you. We have an alliance with Bengal. I advise you not to attack Bengal because otherwise we'd go and help Bengal and we'd divide your lands between us both. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 15:15, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Map Game Wiki
<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:0.4em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0.5em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">I've been thinking about this idea for a long time.

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">Basically, it would have four advantages:

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">A) Map Games would not be restricted to althistory.

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">B) The reputation of this wiki wouldn't be so downgraded by them a-holes on AH.com.

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">C) It would have the effect of less clutter on this wiki.

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">D) It could have rules specifically designed for Map Games, including rules about defunct ones, etc.

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">What do you think?

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">A suggestion as to rules:

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;">A) there would be a hierarchy, similar to the one on this wiki (called the Grand Council of Cartography, or something like that.)

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;">B) Only these members would be allowed to mod on map games. This makes awkward runaway implausogasm situations or biased mod problems less likely.

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;">C) There would be stricter rules about edit wars and the like. This wiki primarily devotes itself to althistory, so there is practically no solid rules on map games. This wiki would have them.

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;">D) To get into the mod group, you would have to be part of the initial group of users (probably all from althist, people like you, me, scraw, etc), or have used the wiki for at least 6 months. This would be the lowest level, with the same 3 levels thing. For those 6 months, you would have to prove that you are plausible, polite, respecting of the rules, etc.

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;">E) There would be a centralized algorithm, with lots of variations for different scenarios. This eliminates the @#$% idiotic algorithms that you see in some of the worse map games on this wiki.

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;">Haven't gotten much further than that, any suggestions would be welcome!

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;">By the way... time to archive, methinks.

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;">The Royal Guns (talk) 23:42, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Alliance
Sure- Korea would be honored to have an alliance with Hindustan. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 21:09, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Alright- overview of World War II. It started when Yugoslavia invaded Greece, France and others declared support for Greece, Germany supports Yugoslavia, etc. WWII ends with Allies and USSR steamrolling Germany, India is independent, Japan, Korea, Manchuria, Indochina, and Indonesia form the East Asian Trade and Security Pact. There is also the United Nations. The current big issue is the Turkish invasion of Greece and Persia. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 21:18, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

if its up to me welcome to the E.A.T.S.P.

Well, I have agreed with Kogasa on a trade deal and alliance as we are to two most similar nations in terms of rich in culture, island-based and nava powers. I will be sending an expedition to India soon (five or so years from now) which will arrive in Chennai and then sail on to Siam and Japan. I guess an alliance with India can't hurt since the Caliphate is there as well... (Lets boot them out together! The made me lose my second algorithm ever D:) Scandinator (talk) 05:37, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Uh... Hunduistan's naval tech isn't as good as the Europeans... If you got there then the Portugese would be the first to find your ships. Scandinator (talk) 15:09, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Hey the wars over! Just wait a few years while I sort through the Venetian Civil War and I'll be knocking on your door. Scandinator (talk) 15:22, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Arabian Failure Mapgame
i don't know if you are interest but would you like to join this map game i've made Arabian Failure (Map Game) Sine dei gloriem (talk) 04:10, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Alliance
I'm with you on that. With the additional nation working with the Europeans, we'll be able to destroy the Caliphate instead. That superstate is too powerful to continue on in PMII. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 19:16, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

I'll talk to the Zulu and see what I can do. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 19:39, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

The War (PMII)
Well, I would like to help but, the Sengoku Era is bound to start in 1525 and as such, the Ashikaga Shogunate will fall into a war of clans, which means that I have to focus on reunifying Japan.

I'm sorry, but I really won't be able to help out. -Kogasa 2012年11月16日 05:47:57 (JST)

So if you all had the decency to wait a while, you'd notice that the Caliphate will be collapsing in forty years tops and you will be able to gain a lot of power. I do not get why are you so obsessed with destroying the Caliphate when in forty years the chaos ensuing the destruction will be far larger.

Also, if you decide to go through this shortsighted plan, then, since you tried to get Japan in I imgaine that we can get all of our provinces and colonies in as well. ~Fed

I would suggest waiting for the Caliphate to fall. What you should be focusing on is Bengal. Bengal is in league with Brandenburg to destroy you. I felt it fair to warn you, take out Bengal before the Germans march on Hindustan. By the way, my country(Scandinavia) has made contact with your nation already and we'd like to open relations.AP (talk) 18:19, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Difference Engine
Yeah, here's a few - You got any objections or ideas? Also, timeline or map game? - FP 20:23, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) World would be at odds much quicker, so maybe an earlier war?
 * 2) Spying would advance rapidly.
 * 3) Science would advance rapidly.
 * 4) Mathematics would advance rapidly.
 * 5) Weaponry would advance rapidly.
 * 6) In short a lot would advance rapidly.

Russia and the Caliphate
Saw your post on Lx's talkpage, thought I might as well respond as the other member of the Federation.

While we'd love to help, Russia can't get involved; we have a Nonaggression pact with them. War with them proved too costly.

That said... Russia might be convinced to help. If you can present a case to us that you guys losing would directly screw with us, the NA pact is null, and we can help.

But frankly, they're due to collapse soon. The only reason I would help would be to save Ethiopia. They're not going to attack you- unless in a preemptive strike if war is inevitable. They attack you, HRE and Ethiopia get a perfect opportunity to strike them in the back, then Russia sees the war spreading to the Black sea and in order to protect it's own interests attacks the Caliphate... They can't handle that, they're not going to. JUst let them collapse, then seize India. The Royal Guns (talk) 00:02, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

HMM... Novgorod, but that works...

Still, NA pact. Which, following the 11 year Great Holy War, is a good idea. 11 years of massive warfare, and absolutely nothing happens. In fact, two of the world's superpowers lose to the third.

That said, I am actively trying to piss them off, at which point they will threaten to break the pact, at which point we launch an all fronts attack...

Never mind, that's not happening for another 10 years. THE 20 YEAR PLAN MUST BE COMPLETED! (THe 20 year plan being the plan to conquer all of Siberia and central Asia not controlled by them bastards, AKA the Caliphate.) The Royal Guns (talk) 00:44, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. Well, tell you what. Instead of Going eastward, starting 1525, I will invade South ward. Muscovian Prescence so close to India- effectively surrounding them- will scare them a bit, and they won't send anything more than military aid, or so the honourable member's thinking goes. If all goes well, Bengal will be toppled, and will either become Hindu, or be annexed. Preferably the former; I dislike the wiping out of players, it's mean. Unless you really want to, or have to.

And, if worst comes to worst, I'll get the HRE to make some threatening noises.

But for the best results, attack as they attack Ethiopia; they won't be able to sustain 2 such wars at once.

Especially not with all of Europe sharpening knioves right behind them.

Actually, come to think of it, that would be perfect. A three way war to rip them apart.

The Royal Guns (talk) 00:54, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, f**k. Scraw really does have an alliance with Bengal. This is NOT good. Brandenburg is one of our closest allies. Hopefully, I can talk him out of it, but I really can't risk pissing off Brandenburg- we need them and Bavaria, they're our influence in the HRE.

I'll accept the alliance. And talk firmly to Scraw. But this could be bad.

The Royal Guns (talk) 00:54, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Turns out Scraw thought you were part of the Caliphate. He's in, so's Viva, and I've contacted Andr. We've got the HRE, India, Ethiopia, and Russia will probably end up interveneing, Lx will probably agree. The Royal Guns (talk) 02:07, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

I agree to intervening but we must keep to the anti-agressoin agreement as much as possible...untill the mahdi because book of revelations false prophet Blah blah blah trumps non-agression agreement. but I just realized that ethepoia might work to because they are orthodox nation, and that could men the caliphate wants to supress orthodoxy and therefore that makes any agreements null and void...that might work...but be careful about it, I dont want to be known as a guy you cant make nonagression agreements with. also, try to make the caliphate break the pact with russia or at least hint that they are going to so that we have good grounds to break it off and attack because tehy are planning to first.-Lx (leave me a message) 02:56, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Um, and we are not attacking you yet, we are only attacking Muslim nations to unite them, and when we do attack non-Islam it will last like eleven years and you can most likely take over the Indian Caliphate states after that time. Fed (talk) 02:53, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Bub, you know I was never frakking allied with Bengal right? I only offered to ivade you with him cause I thought you was on the Caliphate side. Hell, he never even replied. Get your facts straight, you gun jumping preemptive ImperiumGuy! LLAP. Out. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 03:00, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

No problemo. Live Long and Prosper. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 20:01, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Again, no problem. I'm feeling very powerful now. I'm up and ready to flex my European Imperialist Muscles. Go Team Germany! (and Team Russia and Team India!) Interesting fact: You, Guns, and I are all of Indian descent. So really, we're all Team India. (Well, to be specific, I'm Team West Bengal. What about you?) Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 21:22, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Lol, it's ok. Keep all of Bengal. On the side, I think Guns might be Team Kolkatta or Team Chennai. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 03:12, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

I've an idea. German merchants will come and hear of the war and bring the message home and we'll send supplies later. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 20:32, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

Or, another idea. I have three fleets stationed in the Phillippines. They can be sent to aid Hindustan, although they will fight on land, as three fleets vs. parts of the Caliphate Navy is suicide. All I ask for in return (if we win) is the Bengal Phillippines. SCraw

Team Pune/Chennai, actually.

I'm thinking 1526- get ready. The Royal Guns (talk) 23:07, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

Never mind.

Hmm. 1 more war like this, and the Caliphate will be adding Hindustan to their list of Provinces.

In case they do, they'll probably allow you to stay on as one of the DME people, so don't worry.

They won't win next time though! Muscovy is invading through those damn Khanates to the South, som next time, we'll send you Military aid, and that's another 26 points or somesuch.

In fact, if we don't renew that NA pact... The Royal Guns (talk) 19:41, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Ahh, you aren't that fucked off. You get annexed, just revolt in eh, 80 years (which is, of course, just 80 days IRL), you don't, you just try and survive for that time.

The Royal Guns (talk) 22:33, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

...For the next ten years, at which point them bastards will just attack you again. And then you will be screwed. The Royal Guns (talk) 22:41, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Willco... to both. The Royal Guns (talk) 22:58, November 20, 2012 (UTC)