User talk:Nkbeeching

Hi
I saw that you play axis vs allies reoloaded, and wondered if you wouold like to try out my new map game, its kind of like axis vs allies reloaded but different in several key ways, here it is: States of America Revised and Reloaded (Map Game).

DeanSims 18:07, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. Enclavehunter 16:47, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

hey, if your adiea was the vive le revolution on the map game idea page, thwe game has been created, and your position as head mod and creator of the game is open for you. DeanSims 17:54, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Avaro
Nick, do you [New Granada] want to become an observer in the Axis. You won't need to attack when we do, but you will enjoy the benefits of having a protective shadow over you to protect you. How's that? BTW, don't forget to sign on talkpages!! Just repeat this button: ~, four times and you have your signature! :D Imperium Guy 11:00, February 25, 2012 (UTC)



Egypt: We liberated Libya and Benghzi, so we get the point of the republics of Amazonia, Mato Grosso, and Para. You don't need to pay Brazil, if noboddy else says so, I hope they take it in good faith to. we can singe a mutual defence treaty next move just incase the British don't get the point and cause trouble. :-)The River Nile-2 13:51, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

alright but chile has to return its peice of atlantic brazil, and change the colours of the three new republics so that they are both n.g. and chile coulors seeing as it will be a joint area of influence.

Rio Grande (Avaro)
Hi Nkbeeching! In Avaro map game I (as Chile) had previosly suggested that the Rio Grande region in Southern Brazil (which in chilean control) also to become in a independent state, but i didn't recieve answer. :/ --Katholico 20:39, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

Lets leave that area i am in no condition to keep pushing them ill be pressuring the axis in others ways later on or ill join your side if the NPA gets to powerful, fropm now on lets sustain a united latin front wat you say?


 * Ehhh... forgive me. I did't understand fully what you said. XD Was a "Yes"? XD --Katholico 21:18, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. Also would you like to join the timeline I am working on? It's called Bourbon France. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:37, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Alliance and recognition (SoC)
Vietnam: We have seen that Thailand is fighting a civil war. After the civil war is over, Vietman asks if Thailand would help Vietnam gain control of Indochina. In return, Vietnam will help Thailand to gain power over the Malay pinnensula. What do you think about this deal? Imperium Guy 13:06, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

We request that all of malaysia, and a small portion of laos, and cambodia which were part of the kingdom of siam before being stolen by the europeans be handed over to use.


 * Vietnam apologises to Thailand over the handing over of small portions of Loas and Cambodia as they are dear to Vietnam, but does agree on the whole of Malaysia. :D [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imperium Guy 20:49, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * we will decide in the future the fate of laos and cambodia ok.

Libera & Italy
Hey, I could use Italy's help in aquiring French West Africa for Libera. I would be happy to offer resources to Italy as payment for your help, and assist you in any ventures that would take place in Africa. I've asked Germany and Britian for help as well, but I'm unaware as to who France's enemies are. --"Truth fears no questions..." 02:21, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Ask else where man im an ally of france since the start of the game.

Avaro
Egypt could send peace keepers to maintaine the OTL Panamá-Costa Rica border (kicking El Salvador out of North Panamá) and the UN should get Panamá Canal.90.244.92.117 00:58, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Here is how I wish to see South America:

All you need to do is your vassal should negociate with the proper Brazilian government to unite your country. This will have to take atleast 5 years or 10 in-game years to achieve.

So play the game well, be plausible and be careful how you tread, as you have beome the USA of Avaor, neo-imperialistic and having Nigeria vassalized.

You will evetually have to release Nigeria but you won't need to release Brazil. :D Imperium Guy 20:46, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

quick thing imperium nigeria isnt a vassal but an investment interest read my posts from the last 2 decades youll see what its about, also we have no interest in expanding the Nueva Granadan republic doing so will destroy our nation in many ways including ideology from peru and ethnic problems form amazonia we wish to leave brazil as 2 or 3 seperate states if possible all under our influence we will keep them as equal partners but if they unite our dominence in latin america will collapse after the game i want to end the game in latin america atleast till 2050 under N.G. "protection" even if we dont play it till that year.

VLR
'''Hey i noticed you quit the game. You're welcome to play as China if you wanted an Asian culture. I just don't want to lose you as a player because you're dedicated to the game(unlike alot of players). Anyways get bback to me on that. Also if you don't want to keep playing its fine but i'd appreciate it if you would help me spread the word and get more players, i really don't want the game to die. Thanks.AP (talk) 22:52, July 13, 2012 (UTC)'''

'''Go ahead and take it, he doesnt post anyway. And could you also use New Granada at the same time too?AP (talk) 02:01, July 14, 2012 (UTC)'''

TL
Where is your TL, if I may ask? :D Imperium Guy 14:20, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

its A Greater Spanish American War

Seven Years War
THE MAP GAME HAS BEGUN! --RandomWriterGuy (talk) 00:54, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Lincon's Mistake
Sure, but we really have to fix up your signature! This is what you should put in your preferences: Nkbeeching And enable wikitext! :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:06, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

I will help to lay it out. Putting chapters, certinly a new idea for telling a TL. Only ever been attempted before by RvB in the Superpowers TL. :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:14, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

I will help, yes. Very interesting premise. :) Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:22, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Sure, I'd be happy to help out. --"Truth fears no questions..." 20:03, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Sure, continue. TLs don't get deleted for ASBness. Look at GSW. The Royal Guns (talk) 08:40, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Lobositz Lamentable Loss
Sorry for the delay, but the game has now begun! RandomWriterGuy (talk) 05:44, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Lobolitz lementable loss
Sounds good, i'll deffinatley cooperate and as long as you don't bother me in Kamatcha, ill leave you be in the northern pacific islands. Also sounds good about china too. octiman10 02:42, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

I am planning for a Chinese dynastic change in the 1790s, but within a decade of that they will start to expand their influence outward. LurkerLordB (Talk) 01:48, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

Imperialism II
Game has begun. --RandomWriterGuy (talk) 20:03, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

A Darker Place
Yes, I'd be willing to give you a hand. Milarqui, The Spaniard (talk) 16:44, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

I've made a couple corrections to the main page of the Timeline, mostly of the grammatical kind. Wondering what you plan to do...Milarqui, The Spaniard (talk) 17:16, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

Man... you really, really, REALLY, need to check your ability with English. Honest, I've seen too many mistakes in the Western Europe timeline...

Yeah, it's pretty ok, without Admiral Yi Korea would have been screwed. However, you need to mention General Kwon Yul. He was a pretty good general. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 01:25, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Also, look here for more info on him. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 01:26, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Sure, it sounds good to me.

Also, how about you send your stuff to me before you publish because your work actually needs some corrections. No offense. But one easy thing to remember: start every sentence with a capital letter and put a period (this . ) or these ( ! and ? ) at the end. Should work. :D

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:15, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Mostly grammatical, but partially historical too.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:34, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Mostly the Russian one. The Rurik were politically destablizing. They would have fallen anyways. A new house can come to power, not necessarily the Romanovs, but someone.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:43, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I have no idea who Yi Hon is, could you clarify? PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 21:42, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Aah, him, no, I don't think he did, he had a daughter though. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 21:48, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, if he had a son, I didn't ever know, I was under the assumption that he had a daughter and no sons. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 21:55, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry bout that, wish I could have helped you. Good luck on your TL! PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:15, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

I think it's fairly good, pretty plausible, although I'm sure the Japanese would have had a little bit more trouble. Not a lot, but a little bit in taking over Korea. The problem was, obviously, that most of the Korean generals really didn't care about anything but their careers, a lot like Washington politicians today. But there were a few good ones out there, and the paramilitary militia (peasant militia) actually had more success than the actual army. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 23:03, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, sounds good to me! PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 23:20, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Question
Well, I am not exactly a great map painter. I just take a normal map and draw the lines.Milarqui, The Spaniard (talk) 22:29, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

China vs Japan in LLL
In the Map game Lobositz's Lamentable loss, know that I am willing for Japan to take Chinese Sakhalin, Korea, and Taiwan without an algorithm, as long as you wage the war in the1770's or 1780's. I am afraid that anything else, or after those dates, will require an algorithm. If you don't intefere in the 1790's in China, then a large part of China will break away as an NPC, and also the main part of China wll no longer be as hostile for Japan. LurkerLordB (Talk) 17:17, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

If you would be willing to move your territorial goals for mainland China north (to Manchuria) and wait for the fall of the Qing in two and a half in-game decades, you can gain quite a lot of land. LurkerLordB (Talk) 20:20, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

Your PODs are interesting, and your timeline is fairly good. Having multiple PODs can get sort of confusing though, but it's not that big of a deal. LurkerLordB (Talk) 21:23, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

A Darker Place
Unfortunately, I don't know enough about Aragonese Nobility. Try checking the Wikipedia. Milarqui, The Spaniard (talk) 16:20, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

The story is quite good. The only problem, as I said, is your English. Better get back into track with that! (Don't forget to sign, either) Milarqui, The Spaniard (talk) 16:54, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

The Euro timeline looks good, so far. Milarqui, The Spaniard (talk) 18:30, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

Victor? I think he is a bit beastly. Though, he might in fact be what England needs to expand into the New World. Milarqui, The Spaniard (talk) 06:51, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

PM II
Hello.

You interested in an alliance with the Ashikaga Shogunate? -Kogasa 2012年9月07日 01:55:34 (JST)

A Darker Place
Looks nice. I like how Japan tactics managed to defeat the Chinese leaving them shattered, lol. Also, England managing to take over France sounds interesting, you think the French will be able to fight it back in the future?

Interesting how the Toyotomi Family managed to keep in power as well..

Overall, I like the time-line. Can't wait to see how it develops from there. :] -Kogasa 2012年9月07日 02:41:27 (JST)

Lincoln's Mistake
Add the "delete" tag to it. Same goes for any page you want deleted. Lordganon (talk) 01:03, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

China-Japan War
I actually forgot about our previous discussion. So no algorithm needed if you just want to take Sakhalin and Korea. I would like this war to last a while (like 6-7 years) though. LurkerLordB (Talk) 21:13, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

China
Good enough. :]

I'll take and  in the end after the war in China only though (to be part of Thailand). -Kogasa 2012年9月14日 06:10:13 (JST)

Greater Siam? Well I'm kinda a bit afraid of Britain (which has India and Malaysia) and France (Indochina) would easily attack me and bit more afraid that other powers would also jump in.

Plus there isn't much I could do, since those major powers would easily conquer Siam, even with some support.

How do you plan to make Greater Siam? -Kogasa 2012年9月14日 06:49:16 (JST)

Sure. Why not. Enclavehunter (talk) 22:04, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

Please Join the Axis Powers
The Axis Powers would love to have you join our Allaince as a full bodied member. If accepted after the wars end numerous territorial concessions will be given to you. Please consider this and join soon, we

THE AXIS WANTS YOU! Proud Leader of the Althistory Revolution (User talk:DeanSims) 13:46, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

The Axis Offers you these borders as well as more fo China not shown here and Indochina as well as Siam and the full annexation of Korea plus some Pacific Islands. Proud Leader of the Althistory Revolution (User talk:DeanSims) 01:52, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

The Wars
Right, onward to the Dutch East Indies.

I'll send many military to there as much as possible to help the Indonesian rebellions. -Kogasa 2012年9月15日 20:26:56 (JST)

under the consitions that you start no war with America, the USSR, or any other nation without Axis Aproval, also, we offer these post war borders, Korea and Siam are still independat allies.(Talk) 16:24, September 20, 2012 (UTC)



I accept terms for Burma, but the Dutch East Indies will be allowed to vote on what it bcomes. Australia will be left alone. (Talk)



You got yourself a deal. How does this map look to you? In the Russian Far East, there will a consulate state. There will be three consuls. One appointed by Japan, one by America, and one elected by the people. If you attack the USSR, you will get all of Manchuria. If you help me convince Hitler (just talk to Imperium Guy) that he should attack the Soviets, we will be the two happiest nations on Earth, and the Cold War will be America vs. Japan vs. Germany. Sound good? Thought so.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:39, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

we accpet your teritorial demands in Asia in return for you joining the Axis. Dean (Talk) 16:19, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

Principia Moderni
In the game I have invaded Manchuria as Korea. I ask you, as a Buddhist nation to another, to sit out the war. Manchuria belonged to Korea originally, too. Thanks. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 13:38, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Well, here is a map of what I will be willing to share. the v. light green is yours, the gold is mine. I would also require your aid in evetually crushing Tibet and capturing hindu territory. What I offer is a lot, I hope you agree! :D Imp (Say Hi?!)15:53, October 13, 2012 (UTC) Hey man, can we make an alliance, i can help you in your battles, iam just looking for a little expansion, but you can have all the territorios of the Majapahit, he is no longer playing, and i can help you, and i hope you can helme back in my battles. We can define our territories, what do you say? Tipakay (talk) 22:06, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

hey would you like to play this new map game of mine http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Arabian_Failure_(Map_Game)#Asia Sine dei gloriem (talk) 22:59, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I'm now playing Avare. I have asked on the EATSP page to join, and I hope you accept. :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:25, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

America and Turkey are in league to use mod events to hijack the Middle East so they can split it between them selves. . The River Nile-2 (talk) 21:53, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

A Darker Place
Sure I'd be glad to help out as best I can. :]

Some time down the road (and once you have the Oriental Time-line reach around present day) could I also write an alternate if it's okay? -Kogasa 2012年10月30日 07:56:04 (JST)

They're not puppets, they're just one single IP. I'll ask someone to ban them. Thanks for telling me that. I wouldn't have noticed.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:43, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

i would like to help to Sine dei gloriem (talk) 23:49, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Hello
Hello. I like your articles. :3AltHistoryGeek (talk) 01:04, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

Would you mind joining my Map Game? :3 it needs more players.AltHistoryGeek (talk) 01:13, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

AvARe
The nuke war got retconned, so you should come back. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 21:51, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

Do you want to join Carpe Diem, Carpe Mundum Revived (Map Game) Warman555

ADP:my view
i think that the POD are quite good, though i would probably choosen something that would directly avoid the need of expansion westward from europe like Constantinople lasting,but the joan of arc early death, seem quite interesting as the fate of france was on her hands in those moments, and a japanese korea is not new but good as will give a possibility of further conflict between japanese and Chinese and that japan comes out of shadows from the europeans view earlier, take in consideration that i have not read it all, and that i barely scratch the surface as i haven't  Sine dei gloriem (talk) 23:47, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

i like the Greeks regaining their glory from the russians, but my question would be as an empire or Kingdom and centered in Constantinople or athens, as for the colonization and european timelines im going to help you Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:05, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

ok i like the greek result, but what is what you have in mind for europe, and the colonization process Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:18, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

i like the idea of Greater colombia from the french, and the aztecs survival, though i think brazil should be splitted between portuguese and spanish, and that france survivies yet loosing its north to england Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:37, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

france under the shadow of spain... thats sad but ok, eventually that will change,  and if you allow me iwill make a burgundian kingdom for a few hundred years from what remains of france to fall into france power again Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:42, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

i wish to help with the spelling but i have the same issues,also, i could change the burgundian kingdom into a Barely existent nation that lasted a few years to the Germans to eventually fall Sine dei gloriem (talk) 01:08, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

i meant not burgundy as in PMII if not southern Burgundy in the Coast of Southern France near savoy Sine dei gloriem (talk) 01:28, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

yes, maybe around the time of Napoleonic wars, it could be instead that france annexed corsica and then napolean tried to reform the frankish empire Sine dei gloriem (talk) 01:48, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

we could make someone up and set it in the start of the XIX to do something similar to OTL napoleon Sine dei gloriem (talk) 02:09, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

also,i was thinking in lobozits we should turn ourselves to make the turns, say you make the unpair numbers like 1809,1811,1813... and i the pair and their relevant events Sine dei gloriem (talk) 02:36, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

New World
Maybe name it after the discoverer? Lordganon (talk) 06:41, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Map Game Wiki
hi, NK i would like to know if you would be willing to Come and Play in Map Game wiki any kind of Game you want, as i Want to Re activate the Map game wiki as an alternative way to the Althistory one, it would be also a good place to Make any sort of Map game project you might want Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:22, December 23, 2012 (UTC) http://mapgame.wikia.com/wiki/Map_Game_Wiki

ok then, in which part of the European timeline should i start Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:53, December 23, 2012 (UTC)

ah, btw i want to Post the Mod events of 1810 tonight post your turn and i'll post mine and the mod events, i want this game to begin going faster ok? Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:54, December 23, 2012 (UTC)

ok lets post in the talk page of A darker Place Sine dei gloriem (talk) 01:02, December 23, 2012 (UTC)

sure i would join, yes, and let me see how things are on the timeline and i'll help you out Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:43, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

I'm interested in joining, and I'm ready to help. -Kogasa  2013年3月11日 23:05:54 (JST)

Sure thing. What do you want the Map Game to be called though? The same as the time-line? -Kogasa  2013年3月12日 01:10:52 (JST)

if it something about map games, i'll join, but like kogasa, how is it going to be called and what would i do to help you Sine dei gloriem (talk) 23:10, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

i'll try to find a 1430 map during joan of arc era,which algorythm do we use, mine or one from here Sine dei gloriem (talk) 23:33, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

mine could work for Pre 1700 or Pre industrial era's but its really complex, though idk you may disagree,so watch my algorythm and tell me what to fix for the Mapgame of Opportunity 2 (Map Game) My Algorythm is Here

i do,but i haven't use it in a while cause my pc got broken and i'm on super slow pc, however i have facebook,messenger and xfire, do you have any of those, and btw is the Algorythm Page still blank?

No thank you. I lack the time and effort to do more on here. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:28, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Mate, what did I tell you about that sig, lol?

And more importantly, what do you mean? :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 13:45, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Of couse. Its allowed, and not against the rules at all, lol. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 13:48, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

I want you to try something Nk. On my talkpage (when you respond), have four of these: ~ after your point. Well, about the map game. If I could give you a piece of advice, would you please not start it up, please? It will die out very soon and will clutter the wiki (no offense). You should try to play PMII or Axis vs Allies. These are games which will not die out and you can try to play them. :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 13:57, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Oh. I see (about the ~).

Well, those games become implausible real quick though. :(

And no problem. When you post your point this time, press the button I have print screened for you. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 14:03, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

There we go!! Now whenever you respond on ppl's talkpages, remember to alwats press that button so they know it was you. ;D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 14:08, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Night of the Living Alternate History
I invite you to participate in the Night of the Living Alternate History. There are many nations still available, and we should be starting soon. Mscoree (talk) 17:35, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Zimmerman
Germany would never "negotiate" such a thing. Lordganon (talk) 10:51, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

While that might get a few less votes for war in Congress - which is doubtful, since the Note was not actually the primary concern - it would not mean it fails, or even comes close. Lordganon (talk) 09:43, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Wouldn't even lead to more debate.

Simply put, there is no way, shape or form that the USA would not enter the war with the Germans going back to unrestricted sub warfare.

And no, them not doing so not a guarantee for either the Germans winning or the US not entering.

I would expect that the Germans would still lose steam, and just make the front mildly further west, and the US would merely enter the war in 1918. Their financial investment more or less means they would have to.

Lordganon (talk) 13:19, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Attacks like that on the Allied Navies would mean the U-boats end up destroyed.

French troops won't mutiny so long as the Germans are actually attacking. It's when the French were almost literally throwing their lives away that they mutinied - which is not the case if the Germans attack like that.

Lordganon (talk) 08:56, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

That is not near as possible as you'd think - with the Americans on the way, they would be less likely to surrender. Also, those same French and British troops managed to stop that German attack largely by themselves otl. It's effectiveness has long been overrated. Lordganon (talk) 11:44, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

More or less, unfortunately. About the only way to keep them out is to have something end the war earlier than when they joined otl. Lordganon (talk) 10:25, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed - though, fair warning, the Germans would have not interest whatsoever in seizing the ships. Lordganon (talk) 12:38, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

No problem. Lordganon (talk) 05:11, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

Natives and Disease
Let's put it this way - there was still large outbreaks among the native populations of Canada and the USA in the early 1900s.

There's even evidence today that indicates natives don't have as much resistance - you could argue that they still haven't got any "natural defenses."

The survivors of the plagues and flus are simply those who got lucky and by virtue of surviving, got some immunity.

So... back to the question.

Best answer, really, is that they won't. Somewhere in the area of 95% of the native population dies. The survivors get some sort of immunity from the dead viruses.

What are you needing it for? I could provide more or better info if I knew that.

Lordganon (talk) 08:17, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

France was not "dominant" in any way, shape, or form until the 1600s - well after the New World would be found. The Spanish Kingdoms were still weaker in the era in question than France, however.

The Spanish kingdoms - "Spain" did not exist for decades past Columbus - being occupied elsewhere does little. John Cabot would discover the Americas a couple years later for the English Crown. Little change overall from otl.

There is quite literally no way that refugees could cross an ocean like that.

After the diseases hit, there is going to be no native authorities left whatsoever in those areas. The Aztecs would be gone. Not that they were very there in the first place - a tribe ruling an "empire" of tributary states is going to fail, spectacularly, at some point.

Spanish are going to be interested in the Aztecs still. Gold, Religion, and Land, simply put.

They will die out. 95% deaths. There is no authorities left. I cannot begin to stress that enough. No slow changes, or anything.

Inoculations are centuries away. No effect whatsoever. For that matter, doing that to the native population, as shown in history, would give them a full-blown case of the disease and kill them.

Lordganon (talk) 10:58, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

Of the two features with surviving Aztecs, one has a local disease arise that is like smallpox to the Europeans, but the natives are largely immune to - ASB in origin - and the other is entirely ASB.

Honestly, I don't think that there is any way that a state could survive in the area. Area is too valuable, and they would not have the time to recover.

All the ways I can think of for them to survive are either ASB themselves, or involve others being ASB.

Scrap it.

Lordganon (talk) 09:51, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

A "mixed" people means that they already lost.

One can argue that the Spanish conquest of the Aztecs otl was actually two attempts. Probably the best way to put it, really.

Impossible for the Aztecs to survive that long. If the Spanish do not do it, someone else will.

The introduction of European diseases into Mexico means that the Aztecs are done. Their empire is toast. No state can sustain such a loss in population. The resulting chaos is just easy pickings.

Lordganon (talk) 09:16, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

The Spanish would be far from the only power interested that could do so. Even overstretched, the English could. Besides that you have the Danes, Swedes, Italian states, Portuguese, Dutch, Norwegians, Scots, Turks, states in the Baltic, whatever is in France, and even Irish nobles could get into the mix if they though it worth it.

Yes, a series of smaller chiefdoms would arise in the aftermath. For any to really last, however, would be a few decades. They'd fall to Europeans fairly easily.

No way they would go north. Not only is that not possible, but the natives up there would tear them to shreds. Northern Mexico was at that point more or less tribal and desert. Further north than that is worse for hostile tribes. Took the Spanish decades to get up into these areas - in some spots, more than a century. So any extra knowledge would not help them.

Those tribes in southern Chile suffered the same death rates as everywhere else. The Spanish hit upon their resistance originally, and decided that it wasn't worth the effort, after the found there was nothing worth having beyond them, or in their lands. Same thing the Inca found out about these tribes.

Lordganon (talk) 05:12, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

French government is more or less irrelevant - even strong French nobles could conquer them.

Changing Spain like that would take at least a century.

You said nothing before about the Danes and Swedes. Not that it matters - they could still do it.

Turks tried to do it otl. In your world, they would have better odds. Would not stop Russia, either.

The Italian states, or Italian merchant families, could establish their own colonies. They tried it otl, even. Nor would they be under Spanish influence.

Lordganon (talk) 12:11, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Nk, they conquered Naples otl. That is not a change.

They would not have that much of the peninsula. France didn't even have any real involvement in the area after the war you reference. Spain simply cannot project power in the north.

Nothing north of the Pope would be under their "influence" except Milan itself.

English would not control the Dutch.

Doesn't really matter where English interests lie - gold kinda preempts that.

Lordganon (talk) 08:40, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

...You really need to look more into things, Nk.

It's basically impossible for the Spanish to do that.

You're misreading that thing with England and the Netherlands. Yes, they "offered" her the crown, but it wasn't really a crown. What the Dutch Parliament offered her was quite literally just that crown. No power, no say in things, nothing. They would have retained full power. There is no reality in which any monarch would agree to such terms, especially considering it means war with Spain. Nor is there one where the offer would have been different.

Lordganon (talk) 09:10, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

That marker was more because of the line you said you were heading in. That statement indicates a change in that, maybe. Go as you are, and I'll let you know when something is a stretch. Lordganon (talk) 08:57, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

More or less. Lordganon (talk) 02:58, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

The LAU, (formerly Mexico), agrees to a nuetral Panama in return for a Brazzillian-LAU defensive alliance. Also we ask that the incident in LAU will be forgiven, and the assassins hav been captured and are being sent to.you. We also ask for closer cooperation as to unite Latin Americs with freindly relations. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

keep writing, i want to see if the Entente wins or gets crushed. Also, i like that the Kaiser is still in power, no Nazis :D

DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 19:40, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Im guessing Entente will win. But you have North Chile, Ecuador, Venezuela, and Uraguay all in your sphere of inlfuence, but the SADL (Colombia, Peru, Paraguay, and Bolivia), wouldnt like your expansion of power and most likely would band together for common defense, your still in trading relationships, and your not going to  have a war, you literally are the dominant power in South America, and matched with the LAU for strength (just Brazil by itself is), and with your 4 puppets you are pretty strong, the dominant Latin American power, other nations would fear you and band toether for common defense. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 19:50, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

i deleted our conversation onth egame to clear space. But SADL and Brazil are in freindly realtions and the trade deals are still in effect DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 19:53, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

OOOOOOO, a twist from normal ATL. I really want to read this, i love it when the Kaisers surivive and win WW2. PLease commence writign. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 20:01, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

I honeslty cant wait to read this. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 20:19, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

In the ruins of Rome
In the ruins of rome Starts tommorow @ the start time.

Re: Help
Okay, I'll try.

Could you give me a very basic explanation as to why World War II broke out in the first place? And I am assuming that the Entente is still the nations from World War I?

If you could give me that, I think I could come up with something.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 00:55, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I imagine that Roosevelt would still have his "arsenal of democracy" except with Germany instead of Britain. And a British invasion of Ireland could very much be like Poland and Germany OTL.

Neither of those would result in war with America, however, and would simply sour relations between America and the Entente. But if the Entente were to aid Mexico in its conquests, that could be interpreted as a violation of the Monroe Doctrine. Then you have a war with the Entente.

I hope this helps. If not, I will try to think of something new.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 01:57, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

I'm sure that would work. That would make the United States very mad, and declare war.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 20:48, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Two Answers
More than that, really - the island is more self-sufficient than you'd think. Couldn't starve them into submission. Would have to make the military situation untenable, and have the British government fall.

They'd annex the European-held islands in the Caribbean, and get Quebec its independence. Rest of Canada probably unchanged.

Lordganon (talk) 09:33, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

Can Brazil and the LAU unite?

i want to leave the game and i think it would be a cool way to leave. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 19:28, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

can you go on chat so we talk plz? DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 19:51, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

hey, warman is back on SAR, theyre is no war agasint America DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 19:58, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

The new Axis vs Allies map game has now started. Turns start every day at 18:00 UTC or 2:00 EST. Thank you, PitaKang- My Life for Aiur!  En Taro Tassadar 18:15, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Turkey offers you an alliance in Avareborn. We hope you accept. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 01:07, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Guyanas and the Caribbean
The three Guinea territories would get independence, of a sort.

Expect statehood to one degree or another for the rest.

On another note, add more paragraphs. Hard to read.

Lordganon (talk) 10:24, August 25, 2013 (UTC)

Just divide it up into more paragraphs. Far as I can tell the content is fine.

Cuba model. Puppet government, more or less.

Black, white, and red.

Lordganon (talk) 11:23, August 25, 2013 (UTC)

Far as I can tell, for now at least. Like I said, bit hard to read right now. Lordganon (talk) 11:49, August 25, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Help
Sorry for a late reply, but I really need to research more information about East Asian history.

Anyway, I will really happy for can help you to improve your timelines. There are some interesting points that I found on A Darker Place TL:
 * (Introduction, Paragraph 2, Line 1) "Kampaku Hideyoshi began to isolate his enemies [...] and keep them under strict control: for example, Daimyo Leyesha was eventually killed along with most of his clan." Who is Leyesha?

FirstStooge (talk) 09:43, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * What happen with Korean naval forces during the war without Admiral Yi?

I don't think so. Even without Admiral Yi, the Koreans surely will using their navy during the war. Yi Sun-shin is indeed a genius strategist, but that doesn't means he will not get replaced by another commanders after his death. That is still too early to conclude that Admiral Yi's absence will resulted the Korean navy being unorganized.

Of course. But, The Lusitania Lives timeline still need to get improved more. FirstStooge (talk) 11:06, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

Good. The galleons make more sense than the earlier POD.

How about the pages about the nations on Lusitania TL so the information can be viewed easier by the readers? FirstStooge (talk) 12:50, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

Very good! :D FirstStooge (talk) 15:10, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

German Population
About 90 million total - or, basically the otl populations of Germany, Austria, and South Tirol. Given population trends, and movements, that occurred otl and concentrated the German population in otl Germany, you would not see much difference - the people that moved west otl would simply stay in the parts of the old German Empire that they were in to begin with. Lordganon (talk) 12:36, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

No problem. Lordganon (talk) 15:10, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Concept never really existed outside of Hitler's propaganda, truthfully. Lordganon (talk) 15:41, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but your research is wrong, overall.

True, some German nationalists in Germany did advocate such a thing in the aftermath of the war, but they were in the minority.

Austrians have never felt like "Germans." They feel like Austrians. The difference is something akin to that between the Brits and Americans.

Austrians, overall, were nowhere near supporters of the concept. Only ones that ever supported it were outright Nazis.

It is not plausible in the least. Some whackjob like Hitler would have to quite literally force it at the end of a "barrel," like otl.

Lordganon (talk) 10:56, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

No problem. Lordganon (talk) 12:04, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Napoleonic Wars
How about having France lose the War of the Fourth Coalition? I think with that, the French could not go further in Eastern Europe. I'm not too sure though. -Kogasa  2013 September 18, 21:40 (CET)

Really cannot get a balance that puts him that far east. If he gets that far and gets removed from Eastern Europe by the Coalition, he won't be able to stop them at all.

Best semi-solution would be to have him accept the Frankfurt proposals of the Sixth Coalition - i.e. he gets to keep power in France if he pulls back and gives up immediately - that he was offered in otl shortly before the Coalition invaded France. Otl, he refused. But have him accept it, and he'd keep pre-1791 France, and his descendants would likely be able to expand that into otl Belgium and Germany to some degree, with the possibility of chunks of Italy akin to otl.

Lordganon (talk) 12:12, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Realistically, the Third and Fourth Coalition Wars were the same war - Prussia joining earlier really wouldn't mean much. Was just a matter of a few months between them, remember.

For some reason, wikipedia doesn't have much of anything on the Frankfurt Proposal. Not even an entry, truth be told. Just google "Frankfurt Proposal" and you'll find a bunch of things.

By that point in the battle, Kutuzuv was so far down the proverbial totem pole that there's no way the Tsar would have listened. He'd have, somehow, to keep his overall position well in advance of the fighting. Not impossible, but you'd need to figure out a way to do it.

But, either way, French would still win the battle, just not anywhere nearly so decisively as in otl.

Finish off Austria, and then turn against Prussia, crushing them.

Basically, take the end results of the two Coalitions, and merge them into one.

Lordganon (talk) 11:53, September 20, 2013 (UTC)

While not decisive, a victory is still a victory. And you really don't need to reorganize unless you actually lose. French would still roll them up - the Coalition would not be able to push them back.

If experienced Russian generals could not convince the Tsar, there's no way that an Austrian would have - especially one with no battlefield experience at all. The head of the Austrian Army even went along with the Tsar, actually.

Would only mean that the victory by Napoleon was less of one. Simply put, you do not bet against Napoleon in battle.

That's not an accurate image of the proposal that the Austrians took the lead in offering, imo. The Brits only freaked out like that after it was rejected outright by Napoleon. Fact of the matter is, Napoleon just decided to refuse it.

Best speculation I've even seen/heard as to why is that he'd have been unable to maintain the position he held had he agreed to it without getting a concession or two - hence, why he kept fighting after they offered him the proposal. They just didn't offer him anything else after that point, largely because of British protests. The negotiations were not "ultimately doomed to fail." Simply put, there wasn't any - hence, the overall problem.

Lordganon (talk) 12:52, September 20, 2013 (UTC)

No way that the Coalition accepts that.

Way I figure it, just have some vague promise of support to keep him on the throne be offered (kind of an under the table thing) and he'd probably take it.

His heirs would be able to take advantage of later chaos, such as in the 1830s, and gain parts of the otl German Rhineland, and maybe bits elsewhere too. At other times, I guarantee a new coalition arises.

Lordganon (talk) 13:55, September 20, 2013 (UTC)

"Separate heritage" - i.e. not German. Try calling an Austrian a German - does not fly. Think of it as being sort of like someone calling a Brit an American or vice-versa. Insulting, at best.

That was a bit of their problem with it, but the primary one was that they wanted independence. Unless Austria rules Germany, it wants no part of it.

Pressure? Not quite - it would take armed force, like with Hitler. Not happening otherwise.

Doubt Prussia would get the Rhineland in that context.

Unification would take longer. And no, Prussia and Austria aren't going to stay friends. Their goals were very opposite of one another.

The 1792 borders of France did not contain the Rhineland or Belgium. At all.

The Brits and Russians would go along with it. Very willingly.

Like I said before, think of the Third and Fourth Coalitions as being one. The difference is a matter of a few months, and the actions would be virtually the same as otl, just moved up slightly. End result would be more or less otl, quite frankly.

Lordganon (talk) 12:57, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

Napoleonic Wars
If I understand your question correctly, you want Napoleon to be kicked out of Eastern Europe (Russia, the Balkans etc.), but still maintains power in the France and Western Europe? If this is so, I would say that the primary driver would have to be continuing good relations between Czar Alexander of Russia and Napoleon, perhaps in a division of Europe between them? There just needs to be a way to keep Napoleon from wanting to attack Russia, and Russia can't provoke France. In OTL, it was when Russia began to circumvent the Continental System around 1809-1810. At this time, Napoleon will be bogged down in the Peninsular War in Spain, as well as still facing the British. Napoleon must prevent Britain giving support to Russia or any other country, especially Austria and Prussia. The problem here is Napoleon's personality, for he was a very vindictive man, so the slightest insult to himself or France would be met harshly. Tbguy1992; Talk; Blog 13:54, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, well that brings up three other things to look at: A) what Russia will say about it; b) what role the Hapsburg's will play in this; and c) how to make Prussia want a Greater Germany. Russia will be the bigger threat to a Greater Germany that includes Prussia and Austria than France, especially if Britain is either Neutral or allied with Germany. Russia will feel very threatened by a Greater Germany, one that reaches from the Baltic to the Adriatic (if you include South Tyrol). Russia will not be pleased, and most likely terrified of such a large Germany, and will do whatever they can to stop it. Will it succeed? Any time before OTL's Crimean War, very possible. After the 1860s, it gets less and less plausible without major Russian reforms. France and Britain will also feel threatened by a larger Germany, but to a lesser extent.

Second, the Hapsburg's. They control, not just Austria, but dozens of other nationalities, including Hungarians, Czechs, Slovaks, Serbs and even Italians. They refused the chance to lead a Greater Germany in 1848 becuase that meant they would have to give up the rest of their empire, but I don't think they would allow the center of their power, Austria, to be taken away and given to a Greater Germany. The Hapsburg's need to be given a reason to either want to give up their Empire in Southeastern Europe, or find away to incorporate it with an overwhelming German majority.

Last, Prussia. In 1848, the King of Prussia refused the crown of a United Germany that was created by a liberal, nationalist convention in Frankfurt, if for the only reason that he believed that by gaining power through the people, it would impact his role as an absolute monarch. At the same time, the conservatives in charge of Prussia, both the Army and the Government, were more inclined to make an alliance with Austria and Russia than fight them, as in their minds, nationalism was bad, but strong, absolute monarchs was good. Tbguy1992; Talk; Blog 16:59, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

It is an interesting idea, and I will gladly help you out with any info you may need. However, I haven't done much with the Wikia since January, so I may work a bit on my stuff first before I go to help others. If you do need any help, I will do so, but I'll let you work on your story as you like it. Tbguy1992; Talk; Blog 00:27, September 20, 2013 (UTC)

This is during 1805, correct? Before the Battle of Austerlitz? If so, it sounds alright, though more research may be needed to fully flesh it out. Tbguy1992; Talk; Blog 01:02, September 20, 2013 (UTC)

Please come on chat, I need help.Rcchang (talk) 12:02, October 2, 2013 (UTC)

World Rivalries Resumed
Sweden needs a move, and  Scandinavia needs an empire to be formed, and perhaps may you rule upon the north like the Vikings once did. Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:45, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

please come on chat, i need help.Rcchang (talk) 11:11, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

Ok. Message me your specifications about Saturday, and I'll give it back on Sunday or Monday.

Fair, so far. Keep at it!

Hey Nkbeeching.

You wanna join my new game?

Colonial World (Map Game) Rcchang (talk) 07:58, October 5, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, tell me if this is what you wanted.

Maps
Here is my first draft for the map you requested. Let me know if you see anything that needs to be changed and I'll be happy to fix it. I'll begin shortly on the other maps as well. I can also make locator maps for major nations if you want.

Thanks, Mscoree (talk) 20:02, October 12, 2013 (UTC)