User talk:Monster Pumpkin

Hey newbie
Hey I see your new here, if you want any help with anything or want some questions answered then you can ask me. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 15:38, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

What u would do
Well, to join, you look up your nation on the nation profiles page, then, on the main page, you manually press this key: ~, 4 times to show you signature next to the country you want. After you have done that, I will tell you more! ;D Imperium Guy 15:46, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Cool. After you have done that, you go to the latest date, 815 and edit it, writing about what is happening in your country, remember it is around the 1700s OTL. Every year up till 100 lasts a day. :D Imperium Guy 15:56, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Ther we go, best of luck! :D Imperium Guy 19:03, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Greater Americas
Slow down a tad on conquering and expansion, because you're going a tad too fast. The nations you conquer will at least put up a fight. FP 21:21, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Okay. I might have gotten reckless when I saw other countries conquered in one or two turns. What do you think is acceptable for colonization? Monster Pumpkin 00:23, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Basically, see which areas are sparsely populated and which are not. If they are, then you would need to ready your armies jst in case. Imperium Guy 10:40, January 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * ( pity... where is it being restarted?GunsnadGlory 18:39, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Inactive Nations
Sorry about that, I'll try and respond more often. FP 11:46, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Soz, I don't get where Tituhanco is, could you tell me an OTL country equivalent to it? :D Imperium Guy 23:37, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

It was in the southeast of the Muisca confederation. I think when Forsaken Pear redid the map he gave all of it to the confederation. Also, I forgot to mention, could you add Corsica, Sardinia, and the Balearic Islands to the Incas as well? Thanks. Monster Pumpkin 00:09, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

1200ad
1200ad is up good luck

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User:Waroftheworld

Soory monster, for taking down the map. However, the thing is, the bigger the resolution, the easier the map editing. Just don't shrink the map resolution, it you want to edit the map. It will mainly be mods but if something is missing, just add it! ;D Imperium Guy 10:29, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

yes you can be a moderator just dont go power crazy k?

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User:Waroftheworld

1200 AD suggestions
since your a mod on 1200ad now what do you think of random events such as plagues floods rebellions earthquakes etc tell me what you think

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User:Waroftheworld

What did I say? I agree on the algorythim. Both games need them, lol!! :D Imperium Guy 21:56, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

It is actually a very good algorithim!! I think finding out the size would be a problem and I think the luck should be between 1-10. That's all, well done!! :D Imperium Guy 22:04, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Ok. BTW, please keep the map the same size after you've edited it, please!! ;D Imperium Guy 22:12, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Please don't add the shrunken version of maps on the game page. It is a request! Imperium Guy 22:42, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

What you need to do is copy the expanded version of the map and paste it onto pait. After this, edit it and save. Then add it. Simples!! :D Imperium Guy 22:48, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Give me a link to the page you have created. After this, I will do whaever necessary to delete the page. :D Imperium Guy 22:59, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

I have done whatever necassary to get the page deleted. Your version is now safe!! :D Imperium Guy 23:13, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

States of America Revised and Reloaded (Map Game)
Welcome to the game, you may post on the first turn of the game, its started today, and if you wnat you can be a mod and/or a mapmaker. DeanSims 17:58, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

hey, can you upload the original map from states of america r&r please, i have to update it. DeanSims 18:20, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

nah, its ok, i found it, thanks though dude. the games getting pretty far now, Georgai is at war with Cuba now. DeanSims 18:47, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Can you do me a favor?
i will be gone for a week or two, and I was wondering if you could control my nations on my map games while Im gone, please reply with your answer, I could use your help. DeanSims 19:42, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

thanks dude, here they are:

states of america r&r:

greater americas: hot cold war: thanks, DeanSims 20:03, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * michigan: continue to expand and build up your military. support Georgia in its war agaisnt Cuba.
 * georgia: keep expanding and take all you can from Cuba in your current war.
 * germany-switzerland: keep expanding into Italy and Germany. stay at peace with user controlled nations.
 * west germany: keep building up you navy and military as well as air force, stay out of wars if you can, and if you cant, you have your military in its best possible shape, launch a massive invasion of your enemy with your thousands upon thousands of King Tiger V Panzers. You have nukes as well, use them wisley.
 * great britain: keep mass producing nukes and King Tiger V Panzers, oh, do the same for West Germany too. If you go to war, or W Germany goes to war, support eachother, you are allies and not members of any major alliance. blockade anyone who attacks, and if either are attakced, launch a massive invasion of the attacker/s.
 * try and make peace as early as possible but get as much out of the peace treaty as possible.

Help
I am not really sure on how to make tables, but I'll try to help, lol! :D Imperium Guy 20:58, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

What you do is this: Nation name. And walla, you have a flag with nation! :D Imperium Guy 21:32, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Welcome. :D Imperium Guy 21:43, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Then incorperate the algorithim from 1200 A.D. you created. Its pretty good and will work perfectly. I am also about to go to war, in North America!! :D Imperium Guy 22:12, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

alogrithm
i agree we need a alogrithm and yours is good set it up

I don't see why not! :D Imperium Guy 21:18, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Think about it for a second... Do you really need that colony? And do you really need to go to war on a foriegn land? Your populace will not be pleased. I have shared Australia with Patagon, same with New Zealand. Try to buy it off him. If he says yes (which he might ;D), then situation over. If he doesn't ten try to expand other colonies and discover new lands in Europe. I don't think you need to go to war, many other lands await you... :D Imperium Guy 22:31, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Interested?
There's a new map game about and I was wondering if you'd be interested. Its called Mongols Discovers Americas and it needs a few mods to get it off its feet. FP 21:03, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Well, its joint administration, that is why the asking thing works both ways. You mainly control infrastructure in the south but you don't need to ask him about things like roads or schools to be built all over Japan. Mainly about a defense force and other things like that is where you need to consult him. :D Imperium Guy 21:55, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Thing is, you are going too fast. In the game, the horde of barbarians would have heard about you in western Europe and readied themselves. You have half of your land remaining and Kiev is under seige. Imperium Guy 21:16, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Don't see why not!! =D Imperium Guy 21:38, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Apologies
Looking at it, I honestly cant see a way to deal with the issue. Messing with the code doesn't do anything good, for me.

Source code is an account option, that you need to change yourself.

If it helps any, wikipedia doesn't even have it up as you describe.

Lordganon 01:27, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

map game
Do you want to join our map game link to it is here --> Oh, What Happened To Our Lovely Planet? (Map Game) Galleth Grimsnak 20:44, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Updatede map
Hey, i made an updated map of the greater americas game. i would like to become a map maker on tthe game if possible. DeanSims 21:17, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

I accept your offer. Hopefully we can destroy this pesky Europeon. Also, would you like to form an alliance between us. We can divide up the world among ourselves. I agree--TacoCopper 03:33, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

I would say around 100,000.--TacoCopper 03:48, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Wait, that would be unrealistic, I will just say 30,000. I was about to accept them. I will give you France, as long as my settlers can return home. France has been too much trouble for me, I am going to focus on Africa.--TacoCopper 17:57, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Of course, I'll accept any help against the Amazonians. I though want Paris, Brest, and Orleans. Bobalugee1940 03:32, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Here are plans for a divided Europe Bobalugee1940 15:45, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Hey ive got a better deal, take some of the UA at home: DeanSims

Here is another plan Bobalugee1940 18:04, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

hey pumpkin, can you take control of my coutries again for a little while please? just start a turn on states of america r&r every day and be reletnless in the war against Europe in greater americasDeanSims 20:35, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

The Amazonians have agreed to a status quo antebellum agreement, we hope you can agree to that as well. Bobalugee1940 20:36, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

You'll get five dollars. Bobalugee1940 20:56, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

help please
hey pumpkin, can you take control of my coutries again for a little while please? just start a turn on states of america r&r every day and be reletnless in the war against Europe in greater americasDeanSims 20:35, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Greater Americas
what if we just simply don't attempt to expand westwards, because I wan't land to the east. I promise I won't take any land in deep africa, only north africa, and I'll leave the Arabian peninsula to the Americans. Bobalugee1940 21:22, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Could I buy Tasmania off you as it doesn't seem any use to you, lol! :D Imperium Guy 16:35, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know what you want. I just really want Tasmania. How about I let your hunters hunt game in Tasmania while I cintrol the island? :D Imperium Guy 20:26, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Uh, ok. :D Imperium Guy 20:34, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Mongols Discover America
It dosen't look like the anon that made it is going to do any more, so i think we as mods should take it up and get it running. FP 10:44, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

DD
Lets see. Um, where do you want your nation to be situated? :D Imperium Guy 20:37, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure about Europe or America, and Central Asia is mostly covered by the re-formed USSR. I always post them because I am usually in a good mood. :D Imperium Guy 20:45, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Land
That land was transfered to the Incans. And the land in South America as well. I can fix that on the game if it wasn't clear enough.--TacoCopper 23:05, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Could you please let Antilia have the rest of the Confederation? :D Imperium Guy 11:51, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Many reasons:

BTW, any ideas for Doomsday? :D Imperium Guy 20:23, February 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * It will save your empire from overstretching and the populace rioting
 * It will make you better allies with the Antilians, and more importantly giving them more land to stabilize themselves. A stable neighbhour is a better neighbour.
 * It will leave them in your debt, therefore you can ask for due favors when needed (think about it, war exploration etc.)
 * It will make your government generous in the eyes of your populace.

Cool. About DD, you should see where the nukes struck and then plan your country accordingly. :D Imperium Guy 20:35, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Not really, no. However, they do mean you can ask the founder of the article whether you can expand the article and add you own information. :D Imperium Guy 20:44, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

You don't need to ask him. Just start the article and put the proposal template!! :D Imperium Guy 20:56, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

I am going to try my best. :D Imperium Guy 22:23, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Well, claimed usually means that the area is under the control of the nation claiming them, as firefoms, really. :o Imperium Guy 22:27, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

DD Areas
Well, as said, the area in Afghanistan is part of the Northern Alliance, and Slovakia, more or less already covered by a different proposal.

Your new proposal is a good one. Quite frankly, work on that one first, and get it graduated, then work on another.

As for suggestions....

Well, most of the world is pretty well covered by now, with only room for small states.

There's a few small ones in Spain and India with no articles. Note, however, that the Indian ones would be a bad idea, as they will be fighting a losing war soon, and getting annexed.

There's also room in the Northwest Congo, northwest Afghanistan or Northern South Africa for something small, as well as parts of Western Russia.

Past that, city-states or things of similar size are possibilities in many locations, especially western Russia and parts of the US Midwest.

Scattered small state ideas are scattered around the articles on the former US States, too.

Please inquire, however, before committing to any ideas. That way there's nothing like the last, lol.

Lordganon 08:29, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

hey, made a new page where people post there ideas for map games, you usualy have good ideas, you should post a few on the page. DeanSims 19:25, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Firefoms
What exactly is a firefom? I googled it and got "did you mean firefox?" And Dictionary.com has no results.Oerwinde 21:55, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

hey, are you still on? DeanSims 18:54, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

I will. And I will try to on your tl as well!! :D Imperium Guy 20:38, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Withdraw from W Germany!!
Nukes are aimed at E Germany, so youd better withdraw from the UKAG.

nothing against you pumpkin, just agaisnt your nation in the game

see ya,

DeanSims 00:30, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

OK, im done in Hot Cold War,I cede the UKAG to you to unit with East Germany and Austria to form the Anglo German Republic. DeanSims 00:41, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Im getting too obsessed with the game and I think I need to leave it... and AvAreoladed. DeanSims 00:48, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Austria can go under your control to in AvAro, and it can unite wit Rumania to form some country. DeanSims 00:52, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Im done wit hot cold war and avaro, i going to work on my timelines and try to stay away from "the next big game". DeanSims 00:52, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

please post my decsions on the respective map games. my computer is screwed up and makes all the text one big blob DeanSims 00:56, February 26, 2012 (UTC)


 *  Austria will unite with Rumania to form the Union of Balkan Republics and it will be under Monsterpumpkins control and it will take the land if the plebsicites give any of that alnd to Austria. DeanSims 01:22, February 26, 2012 (UTC) 
 * you cant have Austria broken up please do what my final request above says. DeanSims 01:24, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

its ok. youd didnt know. i left those two games because that is wahat i did on Fractured America, and I killed the game because of my actions. I think Im begining to act like Rebelsoldier, and I cant let that happpen. and sure, the Kingdom of the Balkans is fine. You get alll lands tat Austria was to gain after the plebiscites take place. DeanSims 01:28, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

I am fine with that. --TacoCopper 03:01, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

are you there dude?? DeanSims 18:51, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

oh, sorry about interypting your homework, but could you take over my antions while Im gone this week? again?

and what kind of homework is it, im in 10th grade and im barely passing pre-algebra 2. DeanSims 19:04, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

here they are
thanks. im in physical science part 2, and next year is adanvaced chem, so im kind of in chmeistry/pre-physics. and im kind of stuck on my math work, you see were graphing by substituting and eliniation, i get how to eliminate and substitue, but not how to get the equations from the graphs and vice versa.

hot cold war: ukag: just keep me at peace, im trying to have peace talks with you right now (fdrg)

swedish victory: keep expanding military and into khazakistan as well as all of the colonies.

allies vs entente: mexico, keep building up your military and air force. germany: you are at war with Austria-Hungary, take as much land as you can from A-H without starting WW1.

SUBTERRAINIAN EUROEP: i spelled that wrong. sweden, finish the war with england and take all you can fromEngland, specificaly Eglsih France. Keep expanding into Russia and Ireland.

greater americas: Brazil: keep expanding your colonies and improving pverty rates and fix the country up internaly as well as expand the army and navy. please keep my Scandanvia colony as it is and do not go around it with Incan land, my colonies need to be expanded, with my Scandanvia one keep going eastwards, you can have all land southof my Scandanavia colony, just let me keep it going eastwards

vive la revolution: Britain: help the Ottoamn empire against Persia and abide by the treaty i singed with america, which cannot gain any land without the UK's aproval

thanks, i might have forgotten one, im not sure.

DeanSims 19:18, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

i want to keep expanding eastwards. Ill tell you waht, I will give you Scandanvai for France and parts of Spain. DeanSims 19:27, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

and i forgot Principia Moderni, I am the Incan Colombian Republic, jjust keep expanding by 5 pixels every turn in all directions. DeanSims 19:28, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

here, i get france and spain while you get Scandanavia and a prmoise by me that you can transport military adn civllians trhough the Straits of Gibraltar unhamred for the next 50 years. DeanSims 19:31, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Scandanvai is vital though, I can just go around Taiwan. give my your north african possessions, that would be ok with me. DeanSims 19:35, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

i already have korea and can estalbish new colonies in China. can I have your north African possessions, those have more intersts to me, and i get id of the pesky muslims so you dont have to deal with them. that was tin cocceopt with the gaem ONLY, i have nothing against real woorld Muslims as long as they are not terroirits. DeanSims 19:45, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

i will agree to that its just that I want one of your north african colonies, I can give you money or another of my colonies DeanSims 19:56, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

I accept as long as you will still help me conquer these lands and you stop expanding at the Ural Mountains. DeanSims 20:07, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

ok, you can post it on the game page right now if you want, and im Sweden in Avaro, I play the game without going power crazy now! DeanSims 20:10, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

ive gotta go now. see ya later dude. and thank you for your help, please take over Sweden for me too while Im gone. DeanSims 20:20, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Many of the New Answers
Unfortunately, between the Kaliningrad strike, the fallout from those in Poland, and refugees from other nearby ones, there's basically no survivors in the area. Those that remain, in the south/southeast and the north/northeast, fall under Courland and East Poland, respectively. Not possible for a state to be there.

Think here may already be a timeline in that regard about Kerguelen. If not, there was one that was at least discussed. Either way....

It really wouldn't save any remnants of the dinosaur era - those events were global. About the best I can say for it in that regard is that its animal life would be very similar to that found in New Zealand otl.

The displaced water would largely end up in the groundwater, or water system in the region. As well as frozen in the glaciers that would exist in such a location. Might even see the Antarctic Ice Shelf extend a little further to touch it.

The first and third of those projects are useless. And the second is vastly overinflated. Technology would not increase, at all.

And, a note on R&D projects like those - depending on the purpose and industry, most of these projects come to nothing and are money pits. Things like that normally end for very good reasons.

Lordganon 04:56, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Both coming, and going. Not like they actually know where safe zones are, lol.

Smolensk got hit badly, and is entirely toasted. Belarus and the RC are both by now not too far from there - wouldn't work out anyways.

There's a reason why all dinosaurs died out - and at that latitude, it would have been worse. No way any like that could possibly have survived. Best you could hope for are something akin to Komodos, and given the location, that's just not very likely at all.

Have a look into similar aircraft to that one. Unless its a glider, they are basically useless in most ways until the 1980s, for good reasons. And, it's only the B-2s that are like that today - which without computers to help control, would be hard, at best, to fly. Heck, past the one use, they aren't really used - except for gliders - today. It's just not a workable concept in that era, as repeated crashes on the model you quote, and similar ones, showed.

Fact of the matter is, the tech in that saucer - and similar ones - remains useless today.

Note that that truck, and the newer robot version, are both not in use, and they are not able to meet any requirements. Add to that that in that context, there's many cheap options - soldiers carrying their own things especially - that are better, and that walking things like that are extremely inefficient and prone to breaking. That's been shown to be the case, repeatedly.

Really, your proposed timeline is about changes in the southern Indian Ocean. The effect on the rest of the world would be very minimal, and tech would have entirely no reason to advance at all, except maybe in polar work, given the presence of a second large nation so close, in addition to Australia.

Bet on the French, btw, being the first colonists on any level, and then the Brits getting the region.

Lordganon 02:22, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Quite frankly, that is foolish. You need to be following the KISS principle, not the opposite.

If you were to put that plateau in, it would change world history after its discovery. In that context, the USA more than likely would not exist, and even if it did, it would not be in any form like you're describing. And that's not even considering all of the other changes.

You're missing the point about those aircraft. It took 50 years otl, a massive bank of computers, and a truly disturbingly massive amount of money to get around it, and each and every commercial project in that direction has not gotten off the ground for that simple fact. Fact of the matter is, by putting an engine into those aircraft, they will crash. Hell, even with the computers, the B-2s are very poor aircraft and have crashed. There's virtually no way around that fact. Virtually no Air Force would have them - heck, the USAF regrets getting them otl because of the expense.

Any sort of walking machine is far more prone to breaking down than any other kind of machine. There is so many joints and moving parts in these things that it will happen. There's a reason why there's never been any of these things in real usage, or any serious prototypes. Add to this that they are so slow that they are sitting ducks. Plus, as you say, they would be difficult to operate. As is the case today, helos, animals, and men would be the ones that take the supplies. Quite frankly, a common criticism for things with walkers is that they aren't realistic, and in recent work, you can even see a move away from these things for that reason.

Overall, you're falling into some of the traps in writing of this nature. Yes, technology can be faster. But, it doesn't do so exponentially without a PoD like in Superpowers, which is not the case in your TL. And, while something may sound cool, or be something seen often in SF/AH, like walkers, that does not mean it's at all realistic. Yes, war does make tech advanced slightly faster - one less lecture on that matter, yay! - but the impact is not massively so.

Lordganon 05:52, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

No, we hadn't agreed on it. Glad you agree, however.

You're wrong about the date of discovery.

Magellan's voyage - well, the return voyage, after his death, but the point holds - would have passed close enough to see evidence of land (birds, wood, etc.), and actually stood a very good shot of seeing the raised plateau outright even ignoring the signs, in 1522. Drake would have seen the signs, too, and given that he and his men were not desperate, he'd have investigated for sure, in 1579-1580.

And, even if not? Abel Tasman would have discovered it without question in 1642.

That's ignoring that the Plateau is not that far off of the trade routes to India and back, meaning that someone would have blown there eventually, or sailed there accidentally, long before the 1700s. It's not a tiny island, but another continent. It's going to be found.

Really, Tasman's voyage is the latest it's going to be found.

Using any of those dates/timeframes, you've got at least a century and thirty years before the revolution for things to change. Saying that anything happened as otl after that, with all of those resources, and another large area to fight wars over, is just not plausible. As I stated, all of this stands a good chance of negating the Revolution entirely, and if not, would change/delay it, without question.

What you're missing about the B-2s is the amount of downtime. And that for every error/problem that causes an incident, there are hundreds that are caught and fixed before that, or do have a significant impact, but not result in something recorded in media. Quite frankly, the funds they spend yearly, spent originally, and the fights over it - all of which have significantly hindered the USAF budget and the acquisition of new aircraft. Many military figures argued against it, and still do - and the fact that they are looking at phasing out the planes by 2020 or so, compared to the massive lives of other massive-range bombers, speaks for itself. They do regret it, overall.

Flying wings do have some potential at the present, and will likely one day become far cheaper to use - but not anytime soon.

Walkers, however, have been proven time and time again to have none. In the future, maybe. But not likely. There's a number of studies out now against it, even. Heck, I read an article once - you can probably google it - that proved why the ones in Star Wars on Hoth couldn't actually stand up, as an example.

What else do you expect Northop to say? While there may or may not be some truth to it - no one has been able to confirm such a thing - the facts about the large expense of these aircraft remain. Each and every reference to these aircraft refers to them as being full of technical difficulties, being behind schedule, over budget, and full of well documented performance and design issues. Add to that that Northop himself had a massive independent streak. The B-2s were so over-budget that it's actually disturbing, as a case in point.

Nowhere in that did I say that you wanted it anything like Superpowers. The most you're going to get with a slightly more warlike history is a decade or two. The net result of which would be very minor, overall.

And, saucers are still getting tested today, and have been such since the 1940s, truth be told. No net progress has been made.

Lordganon 09:35, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Good date for discovery.

The rest, however....

The English wouldn't be the first colonizers. In that era, until after the 1650s, they had almost no pull in the east. I expect that the Dutch, and maybe the Portuguese as well, would establish colonies on the continent. The region would be a very good stopping point on the route to the Indies, and being larger than the islands in the Indian Ocean used for it otl, would be vastly more important. Bet on this happening by 1600. It's also going to be fairly warm, compared to a lot of areas colonized otl - and an uninhabited strategic place too.

I expect that the area will turn into another area of contention between the powers, though the Brits and French will come to rule, most likely. Odds are the Dutch get kicked out by 1700, and both of those two establish colonies. Portuguese hang on like Goa in India - too small to worry about, no effort at colonizing anywhere by them, and better left alone.

The net result of all of this is another front for the wars of the 1700s. Now, before this era, differences would likely be small - slightly reduced numbers of colonists, slightly smaller armies, etc. in other places. Should be no net difference.

But, in these wars, it's another front for the French and Brits to fight in. Colonial attitudes and other things, as seen in North America, more or less dictate that the Brits will outnumber the French by a wide margin. Doesn't mean that it would be easy for them, however.

Here, we would see changes - largely, smaller numbers of colonists in NA, and smaller armies in and around there too. Overall outcome wouldn't change. But the finer details... those would.

The colonists coming here instead of to NA would slow down campaigning there. Not by the French, but definitely by the Brits. Same goes for the armed forces.

Given how close the last few campaigns were in North America, I expect the Brits will draw the French. They'll lose territory in the region, but not all like in otl. In Europe, I expect the French will win a couple more battles and a slightly different amount of territory changes hands. In the new atl regions, French lose theirs to the Brits.

Overall, it ends up being a cross between Australia and the otl Indian Ocean Islands.

As for the American Revolution, in that context? Most of its causes vanish. Won't happen.

Now, the rest of your post...

The colony wouldn't have men to send to NA in any American revolt. Heck, the Brits would be weaker from garrisoning the new atl land.

Spain has no fleet worth mentioning in the east.

Austria wouldn't take a colony. Makes absolutely no sense at all. They simply couldn't ever support it or anything. They wouldn't ask, and neither would anyone else.

If in the realm of ASB the Germans somehow got the island, it would be invaded and conquered within a year, at most. They stood no chance of defending any of their colonies, and they recognized that fact - heck, it was in their war aims to secure territory in Europe, and use part of it as a bargaining chip to regain their colonies.

Why on earth would Spain get involved in anything like that, and why on earth would they get a new colony when they couldn't even support what they had? Nor would they take over a colony of Germans. That makes no sense at all.

No resources from this area could get to Europe. Thus, Axis nukes - which in all manners couldn't exist anyways, as they actually had more than enough uranium to make bombs and botched it anyways - can't happen, and Allies win, in same timeframe.

If the Germans still are Fascist and strong in Europe, how on earth does NATO exist, and communism pose an actual threat?

Not like Madagascar. The animals there are from Africa, not separate like those of New Zealand. Yes, you'll see many of the same long-term symptoms as there, but it's not a comparison at all, considering how recently Africa was connected to Madagascar, unlike what would be the case in the new atl land and New Zealand.

Lordganon 09:02, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Drake would be the discoverer, but the Dutch the first settlers among many.

You're reading far too much into that alliance. Plus, the alliance would no longer exist after Portugal disappears. Which, of course, is another change with global consequences that would change everything after it.

Nowhere did you say that the Germans were with the Allies. Which makes no sense, either.

Argentina and southern New Zealand are both very habitable.

There's "bit" implausible, and literally impossible. Your notes, by and large, are more towards the latter. Sorry to say it, but for such a thing to not have global implications, when it obviously would, and even more so for the Austrians/Prussians to get it, is just not at all possible.

Lordganon 02:46, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Oh! And ASB....

Start with wikipedia, here.

Gives where it originates, why, what it is, etc.

The External Links part at the bottom has links to more info, and lists of examples if my memory serves.

Lordganon 02:48, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Battle for earth
Good point about the Hemaglobin, I changed it. The Sagetarious galaxy is a very small galaxy near the milky way. I'm not playing as the entire salaamberian nation, just as the Imperial Salaamberian complany, a company which regulates colonies in the milky way (similar to the british east india company)Wegscuba 22:13, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

DANG IT, I FORGOT RADON WANS'T A METAL!.....(never was good at science) anyway, I just added the Tech suff to give a basic Idea what to expect from a Salaamberian army. anyway by "pioneered" i didn't necissarily mean that they pioneered for other races, Just on their homeworld. Plus, they have Hyperdrive, so i don't think it would be a problem to travel that distance.

Prussia joiining the Anglo-American alliance agasint Spain
you get good portion Patagonia and a jump start colony in Africa and a couple of the Bahama Islands. Mexico and Argentina gain indepednace. and i accept the Prussain allaicne offer. DeanSims 16:43, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

America and Britan want land, and with Spain out of the Americas, Prussia can expand unheaded into Patagonia. DeanSims 16:47, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

yes you can have the islands. and dont worry about it. im just glad you took care of some of them. if it wasnt for you, most of my nations would have gone into chaos or something or been conquered, so im just glad you did what you did. thanks for doing it by the way, i apreciate it.

DeanSims 16:55, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

and put your nation on the new Pact of Iron page. DeanSims 16:55, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

ok, the UKAG wants to keep parts of Germany, but will cede the southern third of UKAG Germany ot the FDRG as well as giving the FDRG the promise that the rest of Germany will be given to the FDRG within 12 years. DeanSims 19:06, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

the war has begun. Please declare war on Spain DeanSims 17:49, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

dude please delcare war on Spain, as the war has begun. DeanSims 18:04, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

Dravimos Pictures
What source are you using for your Dravimos prictures? They look really cool. I'm using Star Wars for my battleships and all. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:58, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Your species page is really cool, and I especially like the space station with frigates in the background and the pictures of the Dravimosian Marines. The Flag and Seal are nice too. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:02, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

You too. Let's just hope we don't have a war with the Terran! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:17, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Leaving G.A
Hey, Pumpkin, I'm going to leave the Greater Americas and I'm going to leave it to you and Imp, so if you want that tiny strip of land at the top of south america, then you are free to attack! FP 09:48, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Sandboxes
MP, that was not how you make one. I've made one for you, and moved that content to it. You can find it here. Lordganon 18:39, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

No worries. I knew that was the problem, lol. You're far from the first to have that problem. Lordganon 07:57, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

damint pumpkin, you know what, im sick of this, your so uptight about greater americas and youwont let anyone touch uncolonized alnds that you want. i cant frickin beleive this. you edited th e map and killed my f'in colonies. i cant beleive this. im done. Brazil is asking for unifaction with Europe. DeanSims 19:02, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Dean needs to be a bit more polite, lol. I have only learnt how to make flags like 3 months ago, I used to annoy 9/Kogasa (and sometimes Nuke) to make them for me!! :/ But I think I will be able to manage what you are requesting me to do. You will however need to tell me about these copic symbols and colours you are talking about more in detail!! Ta! :D Imperium Guy 21:20, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Please no duplicates
Greetings. I wanted to let you know that I deleted your "Arab Egypt" flag, as it is the same flag as File:Flag of Egypt.svg. Please try to keep this in mind when uploading new flags. Thank you very much. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 21:35, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, don't exactly upload copies... I did that, and Nuke knows first hand about it! :/ I tried to put the copic symbol into the shield, didn't work. If I was really good, I would be able to replace the present shield with the copic one but one can only dream. I will try to give you a choice of flags and let you choose. :D Imperium Guy 21:40, March 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * No worries, just wanted to tell you. Otherwise, have fun ^_^ --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 22:42, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Flag
Here are 5 flag options which you can choose from what you like. The first flag is basically the Egypt flag with the first flag mainly the Egyptian flag but in Gold. The other two have the copic flag in the center. The last two flags don't have the copic shield and have the present CoA, but it has the copic cross. Hope you like them, and any changes tell me. :D Imperium Guy 13:16, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Your very welcome!! :D Imperium Guy 23:08, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

New AVE Game
Well, I would go more along the lines of "Alliances" until we consolidate the Alliances we form. For example, if we create the Triple Powers and the Four Allies, we would name it "Powers vs. Allies." So it should be Alliances for now. Let's start it 00:00 UTC tomorrow. And yes, I would like to be co-founder. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:42, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Ok. So we'll start it 0000 UTC/Midnight Saturday. Maybe we should have vote over who gets the Five Great European Powers. So, I think that would be 7:00 PM EST. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:08, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, MP. I just wanted to tell you that in the new AVE Game, we should watch out. And on a second note, I'm kinda displeased over how the division of the Great European Powers worked out. The objective of this game is to form different alliances. The way things are now, when World War I breaks out, it'll be the same as OTL, with the Entente winning (again). So I was thinking we could combine the "Alternate Allies" proposal (see this) with this game. That way, it'll have more of an "alternate" spin to it. Anyways, its your call. Also, I've chosen not to participate in this game. I'll just be some sort of mod who strikes things out and all that stuff. I may join eventually. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:51, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Not the whole map, just a few inconsistencies here and there. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:16, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry, I fixed them. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:29, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Pact of Iron/Vive La Revolution
The Pact needs The Duch Republic to declare war on Mexico and send military support. You will gain land in Mexico if you help. Please post on the game page.

DeanSims 15:45, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

can you please reply and particapte in the Pact, you are a member. DeanSims 17:01, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

sorry i yelled last time, i was having a bad day. DeanSims 17:01, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

just post that Prussia declares war on Mexico to support the Pact of Iron in a diplomatic post, I will give you the Yucatan Penninsula and Guatemala if you join the war agaisnt Mexico NOW. DeanSims 17:17, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

1983 DD Tajikistan
You're reading a little too much into the maps. Plus, there's been states graduated since that which impact the area - some of which control parts of Tajikistan.

Between them, states previously existing, and the Siberians, there's no way there's any states there.

Best that article could be is an article on the area, similar to the Germany and Bulgaria articles.

Lordganon 21:29, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I've got a more or less updated version ready to go, but.... some of the territorial changes shown have not quite happened yet.

Not quite what I'm saying. Basically, the article could be turned into an article on the events occurring in the region after DD. Like, as stated, the Germany, Bulgaria, China, and the former US State articles.

Lordganon 21:56, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Central Allies vs Triple Alliance
I will, sorry about that. I thought I had already resigned, but my labtop is screwing up and keeps freezing when I try to publish.TacoCopper 16:59, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

3E vs. CA
If TacoCopper does resign, can I take France? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:16, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Ok then. Thanks. :) Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:51, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Re: New Union Rubles
I am sorry, but someone proposed them a while ago. I don't know who the artist was, but these were part of a proposal from OTL for the Russian ruble (which never came to be). They are posted here. Sorry, but this is all I know. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 22:16, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Triple Alliance vs Central Alliance
It didn't just freeze on that map game, it often froze before I could get to that game and other ones. However, I didn't get to add that game to my favorites bar, so I kinda forgot about it.--TacoCopper 01:18, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

I always thought that the Enumus might look like Bigfoot. For my race, I thougt they might look like large snaks, but with arms and legs, and more larger. I was editing a pciture of what it might look like, but my labtop froze in the middle of editing it and I never got around to re-making it.--TacoCopper 00:24, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Is it ok for me to join as Panama?

David Rain 16:14, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

476 AD: Rome Is Falling (Map Game)
wanna join? DeanSims 16:42, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

hey, you there?DeanSims 16:36, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

theres this game thats a lot like alternatehistory i play and i think its pretty fun, you raise troops, navies, conquere, get conquered, conquere tribal vilalges (wich can revolt) put down revolts, just try it out, you will like it. http://en.grepolis.com/invite-2781843-en29?invitation_id=161762&invitation_mac=066805f0&ref=player_invite_linkrl

DeanSims 16:41, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

TSPTF
Hey, I've noticed that while you've only been here about 3 months, you've been great on the map games, plausible, etc. I'm wondering if when you get to 6 months, you'd be interested in joining the TSPTF. The TSPTF is an elite (lol) force that patrols the wiki for vandalism, sockpuppets, and more! So, you up for it? PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 16:46, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

so did you check the game out? DeanSims 16:52, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

your city would be right next to mine, literaly, and I can get you into my allaince, which currently has over 80 members. all you have to do is sing up real quick and I can help you get started. DeanSims 16:56, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

i made you an email just for the game so you dont get spammed on your real email, here it is:

website: mail.com

email: monsterpumpkin@mail.com

password: althistory

DeanSims 17:22, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

i made your account to:

username: monsterpumpkin

password: althistory

DeanSims 17:30, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

sorry, you can delete the account if you want, its completely your choice. feel free to change the eamil and accoun t passwords too if you want to. DeanSims 17:38, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

i also just sent you some troops to help support you in the early stages of the game. DeanSims 17:39, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

god no, i stay away from those ones like the plague. i sent you some support troops and jump started your expasnion of buildings. Be sure to build a barracks first, so you can train your own troops, but when the Phonecian merchant comes, if you have enought silver form your cites mine saved up you can buy troops instead or trade wood for silver and then but troops. upgrade your farm to, the more you get, the bigger your militita while when you get an academy, you can train other troops and then research technology to get other stuff. DeanSims 17:48, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

go to settings and click on the delte account tap, go ahead and keep the eamil if you want, i dont need it. DeanSims 18:10, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Status/Position
Hey, everyone copied my Online/Offline thing! Or was there someone else who started it? As far as I can tell, I creted it, RWG followed, PitaKang followed, and uploaded a flashy image, and now you! lol XD

Although, seriously, has anyone else done this? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:43, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, well tht's easy. Go to the the top of the page, where it says "Monster Pumpkin" next to the fish. Then click on the down arrow and go to preferences. There's a section for you signature. Click "custom signature" and type in the coding for the flag! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:16, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Featured
Hey, MP. I just wanted to tell you that I nominated Age of Kings for Featured. Best of luck to you and your timeline against your objectors! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 05:13, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Quite so. I'm very glad that you have also noted this happening. Since you and I both play in a multitude of map games, we do ought to keep them alive and active. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:20, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Iraq in DD
You'd have to talk to the three authors involved in writing the story of the former state of Iraq before starting anything there. Really, I know that they have organized plans for the area - you'd likely be better off just leaving it alone.

As for length.... it varies. There's no net answer I can give you, overall. Kind of a "case-by-case basis." If you need to know about a particular article, just ask and I can give you a clue.

Lordganon 22:46, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Battle for Earth Revised
Yes, I think we should restart the game. A couple of weeks ago, I had some proposals for the game, but I basically forgot them all. I think the following should be added to the game: I really liked the original game, so I think we should keep the old going if anyone still plays it.
 * Nobody can have intergalactic travel unless they existed since 2.5 billion years ago.
 * The oldest date of origin should be 45 million years ago. Before that, any race would have conquered the whole galaxy.
 * No destruction of Earth or anything in the Solar System.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:43, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and also join up on The War that Came Early! Britain is still open! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:45, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Ha, you took Germany. Surprised me there! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:06, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I agree on the asteroids rule. No, I can't think of any strengths or weaknesses. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:06, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

You too? What a coincidence. I forgot some great weaknesses and strengths as well. Yes, I agree on creating it tomorrow. Perhaps we could create the game at 1:00 Eastern Standard Time? A couple of the map gamers are on at that time. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:17, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Oh ok I understand. I think I can be on at that time too. I just hope I can get America or get Canada again. I still keep the Regenetech Empire, though. Are you keeping the Dravimos? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:22, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

I think it should be a generic race. This "Generic Race," can have its ships discovered by other race, captured by humans, and be completely destroyed by any of us only to reappear five minutes later. Sort of like an inside joke, but still completely necessary and essential. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:31, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

No, I forgot to change it last night and just got on. XD Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:08, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Sure, But can you show me the map? I don't want any inconsistencies and I want to make the RE is shown in full. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:23, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

BFER
Sure, I will join. Thanks for telling me that Battle For Earth is being revised. TacoCopper

Joint Timeline
Huh, that seems like a strange coincidence. Sure I'd like to make a joint timeline. But would it be classified as some sort of ASB? I think a logical POD is that some of the planetesimals fail to get closer to the sun due to some other ones (the ones that formed OTL Asteroid Belt) block their way. Then yes, something could be knocked into Earth orbit, thus giving it the two moons. Then, with an already existing moon, when something crashed into Earth, more debris would fall back to Earth while some more would become a moon. Thusly, with Earth's gravitational pull and that of its two moons, more tides would be there on Earth, causing the breakup of continents and reformation of shores differently, giving rise to another continent. Then, also with this combined gravity, something of Venus would be able to stay in orbit! Then since Venus would not be a killer toxic zone, small life could possibly form there!

Well, that's all I have for now! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:57, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking the gas giant should be after Caelus (Uranus was Greek, dunno why they didn't use Caelus.) so that we can continues the son-father pattern. (Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Caelus) Then we should name it after Aether, the Roman counterpart of Aether, the father of Uranus/Caelus in some myths. And maybe we could name the other planet Prosperina, after Pluto's wife, Persephone to the Greeks. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:40, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Also, I think we should rename the first planet Icarus. You know who that is, right? I think Vulcan should go to one of those asteroid-planets. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:45, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking that Earth's two moon could be called Luna and Diana, after the Roman counterpart for Artemis. Also, do you read Greek mytholongy or the Percy Jackson books? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:50, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I think we should call the last and sixteenth planet Tyche or Nemesis. See this and this for more. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:55, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I see what you're saying about Diana being outside Pluto and everything, but I think something else like Charon, Iapetus, or Krios fits better. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:05, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, okay. That sounds about right. For a moon of Venus, how about Eros or Aphrodite? Eros was the son of Aphrodite for the Greeks, and they were Cupid and Venus to the Romans respectively. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:13, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with all of that, except that the asteroid Eros probably wouldn't exist in the first place. The Veneran (Venusian) climate would be like the OTL Earth Equatorial Zone, except somewhat hotter. And I think Aether would have a very thick atmosphere. The idea of leaving it unnamed sounds good. Maybe "Planet X" as a placeholder. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:20, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Fifteen? Are you counting Planet X or not? And what if we renamed Vulcan into Icarus? He was the guy who flew too high and his wings melted so he fell into the sea. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:50, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

What should be name the timeline? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:53, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Where would that gas giant be in that list? And I was thinking that maybe we could rename Vulcan to Icarus, since it would be very close to the sun. Then I would suggest shifting the name Vulcan to the planet nearest to Jupiter. And maybe Vesta or Juno (more likely Juno or both) could be Minervan moons. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:21, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I think we should name the timeline "Helios" or "Maximum Systema" or something. That translates to "the Greatest System." Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:21, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Ok then, but Jupiter would not be pushed too far out if Vesta and Juno became moons. How big would Minerva and Ceres be? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:32, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Ok then. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:45, April 14, 2012 (UTC)



So, I asked if I could join the TL as well and he said I would need to ask you as well. So I am asking you if I could join?! BTW, as I am a planet fanatic I could tell you about how one or two planets you proposed won't nessecarily be the most plausible. I would say Vulcan won't be there, as from what it would seem Mercury would be twice its OTL size because of an OTL planetoid not hitting it in its early history. As well as this, I would make Mars bigger and maybe cut out Minerva and give Mars a decent moon and not asteroids, lol. As for Venus' moon, Aphrodite would be a good name for it. What do you think? :/ Imperium Guy 15:44, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I kinda realized that Jupiter was further out, so I this happens, you can say its additional gravity attracted many a Kuiper Belt and Ort Cloud asteroids and comets, making the interior planets much larger. As an after thought, it would be interesting to have Titan be flung out from Saturn's orbit early in its creation and become the planet Minerva (this would allow a possiblity of life to develop on the planet, if in a little cold environment).

Earth having two moons would be quite interesting, and it would affect the development of culture significantly. If you planning to have more landmasses, then the Pacific ocean would be the best place to have it, it is the largest ocean after all and its huge space could be nicely utilized. You could also make the islands in Australasia much bigger and a more potential candidate for colonization.

Apart from all this, I hope you make Mars around about the sixe of Earth (if a little smaller, with a diameter of about 10,500 km). I also saw that you wrote that Venus would be more habitable, but I think it should be able to support life because Mercury would be double its size as I think the planetoid hitting it would hit some other planet. Here is a quote from wikipedia to support this:

"Early in the Solar System’s history, Mercury may have been struck by a planetesimal of approximately 1/6 that mass and several hundred kilometers across. The impact would have stripped away much of the original crust and mantle, leaving the core behind as a relatively major component". So, a larger Mercury would take more heat from the sun, making less heat come to Venus and making it possibly life-supporting. Thoughts? :D Imperium Guy 13:46, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, os I think we can start the timeline now. Also, if my calculations are correct, we do have space for a fifth gas giant, because more Kuiper Belt Objects combined with Pluto, giving more space and even more KBOs combined with Pluto's biggest moon, which we named Prosperina if I'm correct. Also, even more KBOs combined together to form that last planet. With all that space out there and a farther out and smaller KB and Oort Cloud, I think we have space to arrange the Solar System like this: What do you think? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:30, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sol, the Sun
 * 1) Vulcan, midway between Mercurian Orbit and the Sun, closer to Mercury.
 * 2) Mercury, in OTL place except a bit farther out.
 * 3) Venus, same place, less insanely extreme, holds bacterial and microscopic life. Average temperature is around 120 F at hottest and 85-90 F in cooler places.
 * 4) Eros, moon of Venus
 * 5) Earth/Terra, known to the scientific community as Terra, to average people as Earth.
 * 6) *Nine respected continents, with two minor ones: Continents by OTL equivalents:
 * 7) **Arctica, the Northern continent. OTL Greeland with the Canada and Russian Arctic islands and all OTL islands above the Arctic Circle.
 * 8) **North America, NA without the stuff mentioned above.
 * 9) **South America, SA without the Falkland, attached to Anatarctica/Terra Australis.
 * 10) **Europe, Europe
 * 11) **Africa, Africa. Madagascar counted with Kerguelen as a seperate continent.
 * 12) **Kerguelen, an OTL Australia sized continent in the Indian Ocean, also includes Madgascar.
 * 13) **Asia, Asia
 * 14) **Antarctica, OTL Antarctica that stretches up to the Falkland and attached to Australia by a slightly submerged land bridge. (If you stand there, your feet will touches, sourt of like when you go to a beach.)
 * 15) **Zealandia, stretches from OTL NZ to New Caledonia and southwards towards Antarctica.
 * 16) Luna, the OTL Moon but a little bit bigger.
 * 17) Aurora, as you have termed it, or Diana as I have prefered. Maybe it can be like the Americans/West call it Diana and the Europeans/East World call it Aurora.
 * 18) Mars:
 * 19) Bellona or Enyo, a moon that is the size of OTL Deimos and Phobos combined.
 * 20) Deimos
 * 21) Phobos
 * 22) Minerva
 * 23) Vesta
 * 24) Juno
 * 25) Hebe or Juventas
 * 26) Jupiter
 * 27) Saturn
 * 28) Caelus
 * 29) Aether
 * 30) Neptune
 * 31) Pluto
 * 32) Planet X/X199624

I think I like Hyperborea, especially since it reminds me of the Hyperboreans of Greek myths, who lived as far North as possible. (In Percy Jackson, they're from Canada. Here, they would be from Hyperborea. Just a funny thing that occured to me.) Sorry, I forgot about Ceres. Well, maybe Selene works better for the West than Diana. She was the Greek equiuvalent of Luna. Basically what it is is that the West calls the moons Selene and Luna, who are equivalents. About Aether, it is basically formed from some Jovian, Saturnian, and Caelusian moons and TNOs. I remember what Imp said and I said that was great idea to him. Which planet would that be? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:01, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Aether? The name struck me as likely, because the planet would a light blue, along the lines of sky blue, and Aether was the god of heavens and the skies. What do you suggest?

Bacchus sounds good, but where would it be?

I think a super expansionist America, a Russian Empire with roots in the Grand Duchy of Moscow, whatever; Third Recih doesn't work, it was younger than most nations at the time; I don't know, but I just don't like a Roman Empire surviving into the future. Maybe perhaps a living French Empire? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:37, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

About Aether: I really like it, but that would give it some sort of tag that says: "Whoa, delete this right now it's complete crazy ASB implausible impossible whack-a-mole not even funny stuff!"

Something else: I was thinking like this:

Ancient people only knew a few planets: Vulcan, Mercury, Venus with its moon, Earth, Mars with its moons, Minerva, Ceres, Vesta, Juno, and Jupiter.

Those guys who discovered the other planets:

Galileo discovers Saturn

William Herschel finds Caelus

Urbain le Verrier discovers Aether and Neptune

and Clyde Tombaugh/Percival Lowell discover Pluto and Bacchus.

Planet X could totally new, like maybe 2010 or something.

I know these guys probably wouldn't exist in an ATL, but I go with my theory of "parallel twins."

This theory of mine says that every time something happens in time, a place where it didn't happen forms.

Also, if people don't exist in one parallel universe, they do or don't in another, and vice versa.

Open for contributions: no. Suggestions are welcome though.

Also, what state do you live in? Just a question.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:02, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Yes at everything; I've read those timelines; good point on Vulcan; bye for now then. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:37, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

It's ok, your ideas were fine; I've been working a portal page since you left; Pennsylvania, eh? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:08, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

No, it's ok, I'm just going to keep the East/West different names for the New Moon. :) Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:16, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Now, lol. :D Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:29, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Ready to start some work on Maximum Systema? My personal goal for it is to make pages for all the planets over the weekend, at least! :) Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 16:54, April 21, 2012 (UTC)



Ok, I think the West would call it Kerguelen, and the Europeans/East could call it something else? Also, here is where Kerguelen will be, somewhere in the blue circle. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:08, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that's right. I like the Nordic thing. Maybe Thule could be a hideaway for present day pirates and Vikings? Also, we need some pictures for Minerva, Juno, Vesta, Aether, Pluto, Planet X, and Vulcan. I have photos of the rest. Maybe we could use a picture of Triton for Vulcan? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:18, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. But again, do you have any ideas for the pictures? Right now I'm looking for Star Wars planets that would fit accurately. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:44, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Could you tell me how you got Celestia? Sounds interesting. Also, how about Endor for Aether? I'm working on a world map now.

Articles: yes. You can do Ceres, Minerva, Juno, Vesta, and Hebe for now if you want. I'll look for suitable images for them (since the OTL asteroids are all lumpy and stuff.) in the meantime. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:54, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, you guys need to get me involved. I do have a fair bit of experience! :P Imperium Guy 18:02, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Ok. But I would want to help in the continent making, I think I have a rough idea on how the continents should look. BTW, are we making Antartica habitable or not? :D Imperium Guy 18:10, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

I'll be fine with that. :D Imperium Guy 19:39, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Ok with all that. I was just thinking that Klatooine would do good for Minerva because it matched the description. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:31, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

I think I finally found a suitable image for Eros. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:31, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Eros basically has no atmosphere. It's just one big rock. A really big rock. I was thinking maybe Mimas would fit for it? Also, does Dace look better than Endor for Aether? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:39, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

I have finally gathered pictures for all the planets except Pluto and Planet X. Hypori fit for either of them? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:14, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Ok then. Also, I can fix the lighting so that it is dark. :) Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:22, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, just a funny thing, but if you type in Maximum Systema in Google, we come up first on the list! :D Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:00, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, here's the thing. I need you to answer this question tomorrow or as soon as possible:

Should I use Hypori, Byss, Enceladus, or Mimas for Pluto? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:49, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Triple Entente vs Central Powers
Hey MP, its Taco. Anyways, I will be gone until Saturday, and I need people to take care of my nations. Anyways, can you take care of France on TEvCP. I probably will be able to negotiate a peace today, so all I need you to do is industrialize and build up the miltary. If a world war starts, I will need you to defend France 'til I get back. Thanks for your time.TacoCopper

Thanks MP, I knew I could count on you.TacoCopper

Hey can you start another Triple Eetente vs Central Powers Map Game and can you also svae the USA for me. Warman555

States of America 5
Your presence is requested on the states of america 5 homepage asap CourageousLife 23:52, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

Avaro
Of course it's fine! :D PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 19:48, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Triple Entente Mods
Just wondering, why can't there be 10 mods for the Triple Entente Game? Also, are some of them even active? Btw, I made a terrible mistake in the game in which EnclaveHunter knows about and please forgive me. RandomWriterGuy 22:43, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

O.K. May I be one? RandomWriterGuy 21:57, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Help
Hey, Im going to be gone for a few days, so could you take over my countries till sunday.

AvAro:You are ROCJ, just build up infanstructure.

SOA5: You are Michigan, build up Military and ally our two nations. Also, if war results with Canada, invade Onterio.

Triple Entree, You are America, stay at peace but grow military.

Thanks

Whosonefirst?

Russia in Triple Entente vs. Central Powers
Doesn't appear to me that Lx is playing much, so may I take Russia frmo him? Otherwise, I will keep Germany, which I took today. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:31, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Mars (MaxSysa)
How large do you plan to mak Mars? This is because if it has a diametre larger than 8,000 km then its core won't grow cold and it would probably follow the same route as Earth did, although its average temprature would be a degree or two cooler. :D Imperium Guy 21:22, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Fractured America Revised and Reloaded (Map Game) has started, pick your natin and let the games begin!

DeanSims 19:23, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

the UOSR would like to switch sides and join the Central Powers, Oil would begin to flwo to the CP's as well as troops. The UOSR also wants land, but first things first. UOSR troops can invade Russia to.

DeanSims 23:17, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

HIS IS NOT SPAM, IT IS ONLY GOING TO 3 PEOPLPE!!!

AVARO

 * "Libya is still a monarchy."


 * Sorry for over looking this. Fix noted. If Gadaffi is not in office, then it's to be resitled as a pre-emptive blow, not a decapitation job. What ever Gadaffi has had it and the Proto-NTC and Royalists win over his crazy troopers.The River Nile-2 02:15, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

pk, will do DeanSims 16:37, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

the UOSR has left the Allies and has troops prepared to invade Russia through the Caucassas. Oil is also back on line to you and oil to the Allies has stopped. Can the UOSR join the Central powers, with troops still inn France we can launch a sort of pocket invasion and since were in pARIS, POSSIBLY FORCE fRANCE OUT OF THE WAR. DeanSims 19:23, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

should I invade Russia now and launch atacks at the French and since UOSR troops are in Paris, take over the city and force the French surrender. DeanSims 20:03, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

my troops are on the Medditeranian Coast, so it could take a city there and open up another front, and with my and the UK's navy, keep my troops alive for a while. DeanSims 20:12, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for sorting out Syria with your peace delegation, after reading some web pages, Syria would have been too tough to crack and I was going to take a while then call a stalemate. You aliance with Sirya will be respected. P.S. AEMA and the Leaft Leaning Alliance are not LOAN, CANT or axis, so are they cannon or outlawed? The River Nile-2 01:11, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to make an event in Egypt's 1977 election (I’ve yet to think it up) which will help Iran's prospects in the Gulf states (if the user gets the hint), and another that will impinge on the resent incident in Syria (you know, who wants a military dictatorship if it loses a war), welcome Hosni Mubarak who was at first a good OTL leader. I wanted to spice up the game since most had left saying it was boring. I even posited notes on 3 talk pages asking users to return. The River Nile-2 01:29, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

1977
Well, Iran's taken the bate and apears to be moving to protect Iraq. I'm not going to take Saddam out, mods can use him to cause random events. Wink, wink.:). Saddam Hussien is the last of the 3 Arab dictators I was oing to dredge up. Welcome President Hosni Mubarak who was at first a good OTL leader. Is the Kalmar Union Cannon? I would like to singr a non agression treaty with the Kingdom of The Balkans..

Triple Entente vs. Central Powers: two questions
1) What stage of development is Australia

2) Is the ICI going to exist or not?

thanks, David Rain 12:59, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Fractured Europe (Map Game)
I created a map game called Fractured Europe and am in need of mods and/or players. Would you like to join?

CommanderOfTheFourthReich 00:51, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Battle for Earth Revised
If you don't play, you may be removed from the game. SPQR 19:27, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Apologies, didn't know, but still, nobody is playing and the game is running on borrowed time. Only a matter of time before we lose it...

SPQR 19:40, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, you're totally right. By the way, I might be leaving the map game soon, so the Insectus and China will be left up for grabs.

SPQR 19:45, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

AVARO
I give control of Egypt to Monster Pumpkin after I found my account was hacked and got a computer viarose and quit this site, as of logging out today. The River Nile-2 09:52, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

Columbus: First Contact?
Thanks for joining. Game starts on th 19th of May. Please take a look at the INTERNATIONAL COURT OF IMPLAUSIBILITY.

Yes there will be Mods. Just getting roud to doing it.

North America is quite open. If you want to change the tribes to better suit the it feel free. The south american bit of your map is excellent, but I will see what DeanSims thinks.

Game starts on the 23rd of June. Please see updated page.

Many thanks for sticking with it, David Rain (Sometimes...) 16:02, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Hello. I wanted to know if you'd be intrested in being a part of, and a mod of, my "Grand French Empire Campaign" map game here: http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Grand_French_Empire_Campaign_%28Map_Game%29_%28Grand_French_Empire%29. Thank you. Blocky858 17:47, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

i Would like your help on IAH Wikis DoomsdayPage, its a different type of doomsday so no copywrites are vioated. your help would be awesome.

thanks,

DeanSims 20:45, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

I can change the name on the main page, but now its web adress the anem is already changed anyway. DeanSims 20:59, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Sure, I don't mind. TacoCopper

Re: Right of Usage
Be my guest. I have no objections to somebody using the Azaranian Empire in a Timeline based on the game that it appeared in. I am anticipating to see the results. And happy Speculating!-Lx (leave me a message) 02:01, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

Oh yes and send me a link to the Timeline or Scenario or whatever its called. -Lx (leave me a message) 02:03, May 22, 2012 (UTC)I'd love to see it.

Well then send me a link!-Lx (leave me a message) 02:14, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

http://future.wikia.com/wiki/Future:Style_Guide closest thing I could find. and some links on this pagehttp://future.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page_Full_Version -Lx (leave me a message) 02:32, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Right of Usage
Sure, have at it. I give you full right of usage. Make sure you send me a link so I can check it out! CourageousLife 19:47, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

re: Right of Usage (Like you don't have enough messages titled this)
Sure. Just keep in mind that the Mech virus exists in many forms and getting around it is not easy. As for the Phantoms, I had actually planned on NPCing them, but I didn't want to confuse people. The Phantoms, in my original usage of them, were to be a once-great empire that had spanned the entire galaxy, terraforming worlds as they went. After the Mech revolt, they would have lived on their homeworld, which is dangerously close to the Galactic Core, disrupting outside communications and preventing anyone from listening in on their conversations. Since nobody can find them, people thought they were extinct. Again, to simplify the game, I made them completely extinct, the last ones dying when The Forge crashed.

I guess if you wanted a proper name for them, I'd suggest Alphas (being one of the first-galaxy spanning empires), Kaltron, Sauren, Eden, or simply give them a nickname like the Phantoms. By the way, if I restarted the game sometime, would you want to play? CrimsonAssassin 21:33, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

Keep in mind that the Phantoms, before their fall, were really the sole power in the galaxy 65 million years ago. Their work paved the way for empires to rise a bit later. After the Phantoms were gone, the Mechs pursued a false beacon into deep space. When they discovered the Phantoms were gone and the beacon was false, they kind of stayed there.

As for the appearance of Phantoms, it depends on which type you're going for; ancient or modern. The ancient Phantoms were amphibious, though had a gecko-like appearance. They were about two meters tall, which accounts for the size of most Mechs. After the destruction of the Phantom empire, when they retreated to their homeworld, they were constantly pelted by the increased radiation from the center of the galaxy, resulting in the development of an exo-skeleton and smaller eyes (due to the homeworld being near a cluster of stars). Thus, the modern Phantoms look a bit like Mantises.

Both Ancient and Modern Phantoms had two arms and two legs that stayed the same (relatively). Both could walk on walls or even ceilings with ease. Both can jump lengthy distances and can survive falls from surprising heights. Unfortunately, the Mechs imitated this, meaning that many of them have the same traits. CrimsonAssassin 16:12, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Their empire was vast, but they didn't own every single planet. It was more like the Galactic Republic in Star Wars (though there was an unknown region in Star Wars). CrimsonAssassin 04:10, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Right of Usage
Let me tell you something funny: I was on Recent Activity and I saw that the title of what you wrote was "Right of Usage." I don't even need to know what you wrote because I know what you wrote. Sure, go ahed and use the Imperial Empire. (How do I know? Because I noticed that you asked Lx the same thing.) Although, you should ask the Emperor and the Senate too, lol. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:38, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Sure, so long as you play Universal. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:45, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Vive La Revolution Reloaded
Hey MP its AP! I have a question for you:

Are you planning any westward expansion for the US? Because Aztlan is in the way... Answer back on my page, thanks--AwesomePeruvian

Ah, yes please correct all things wrong on the map now please. Post the changes and i'll check it out.AwesomePeruvian

Umayyad-Saudi Arabian War
I have a question about how I do the algorthim for my war. I would rather let you handle the negotiations. I would enjoy owning all of their territory except some outskirts which I want to become a semi-autonomous state of my replublic.

Willster22 01:53, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Wales has offered to extend the Welsh Civil Air Fleet or (Welsh AIrlines) to have connected flights with Russian Air, making the first International air travel agreement. Wales offers civilian airbases to help facilitate International Travel. (sort of like OTL Pan Am connecting with other nations carriers) Andr3w777 01:41, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry I should have clarified. Yes I am talking about PM.You are Russia yes? What I was proposing was forming the first International Air Service. you know like OTL Pan Am or WTA. Andr3w777 01:45, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Whoops Sorry!!Andr3w777 01:50, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, sounds great to me.

However, I have one suggestion: Brazil falls to anarchy.

It is divided into four factions, North communist, south fascist, west remnants of current government, and east would be Brazilian military attempting to maintain order and conquer the other nations.

Also, I'm starting Battle for Reloaded soon. Care to join? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:46, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Oh right, Battle for Earth Reloaded. Soviet Union and Dravimos I presume? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:16, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Triple Entente vs. Central Powers
'''Hey MP its AP again! We need to find a way to have the game go faster. Also, i (Britain) have joined the war against the DR. Do we invade the mainland CoLA or just the DR? If we really want the CoLA to dissolve i think that invasion would be a useful way of doing that.'''

Hey, I have a question: Do algorithms go on the algorithm page or the talk page? Gemralts

The COCA CoLA Problem
Currently, we have what I like to call the COCA CoLA problem. That stands for Crazy Outstanding Chaotic Aggravating CoLA (Confederation of Latin America) problem.

The solution? Simple.

We'll break up the CoLA first. The DR is about to fall, as will Mexico, since it has poured everything into helping the DR, which is not saying much. You can annex Hispaniola. Mexico will fall into complete chaos and anarchy. You can have, say, Baja, Sonora and Chihuahua, Durango-Sinaloa, and the Rio Grande states.

Yucatan peninsula will go to Britain and be added to British Honduras or something else, Britain's choice.

Rest of Mexico can become a new nation. We'll set up a new government there.

In South America, we'll have the Peruvian part of Chile revolt and go back to Peru.

Now, to the rest of the CoLA. CoLA people are definitely getting scared by now that their whole government will collapse until the might and force of the Allied Coalition. (That's us.) A pro-us revolution would start or B: rioting would begin across the CoLA. Depending on how the government react, everyone goes one from there.

Very intense yet effective plan. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:20, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

MP i propose an invasion of Mexico from my colony in Belize and an invasion(with alot of allied support though) of mainland CoLA from British Guiana.AP

Technically, adding Yucatan to British Honduras would not violate the Doctrine since BH is already there. I fyou took all of Mexico the others would get pissed. I think it would work, and I don't think it would abuse mod powers because it's plausible. I'll suggest it though. Worry yourself not. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:20, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

MP i need you or Scraw to do my(British) invasion of Southern Mexico from Belize so that our forces can meet at say Mexico City once the country falls.AP

I would be happy to take care of your nation, after all the UK and the US have had a "special relationship" for a while in OTL and the game.AP

OK, I'll do my best if I have to. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:31, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

No problem, see you in a few days.AP 04:45, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Ha Ha Ha. 'nuff said. David Rain (Sometimes...) imperialistic hypocrites

Important!
Hey i noticed that you haven't posted in a while on Vive La Revolution Reloaded, can you please return the last thing i want is for the game to die.AP

Columbus First Contact? Calling Earth...
Hi. I know you're there. Game has started. You playing or not?

Regards,

David Rain (Sometimes...)

Division of Oregon
I offer the following division of Oregon. You get a bit more than half and Pacific ocean accees as well as Vancouver Island while I get the rest as I have focused my settlment mostly on the coast. I WILL NOT BE SILENCED!!! DeanSims (User talk:DeanSims) 19:14, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

Yer Proposal
I like it, can you show me a map?

Also, five seconds after you posted on my talk, Lurk told me that we have a Bavarian player as well, Andrew, so he said we might want to include him.

I think you can now see why I opted for Brandenburg out of all of Rome.

Yer Request
No problem. Would you like me to monitor your other nations in other games? Iraq in PM or in any other games?

I suppose I'll start the lengthy process of getting Mongolia into the USSR.

Then when the Heilmighty aliens land, we can re-divide the USSR like in Game 1.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:44, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

I think it could be a bit bigger, and to keep the Ottomans satisifed, we should give them that piece in Anatolia.

OK then, all nations it is.

Also, could you check out my new timeline, A World of Difference? I'll have it up in a minute, so if you could give me your opinion of the PODs it would be highly appreciated.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:57, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Liberia & America
I was interested in asking if you could help Liberia take over French West Africa. I'd be very thankful for your help, and be glad to offer any assistance to your nation in the game if you were to help out. --"Truth fears no questions..." 02:00, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

I've asked AwesomePeruvian for help as well, and I'll discuss the matter with Scraw. I'm sure he'll see the light. --"Truth fears no questions..." 02:10, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

I also asked Germany for help, and may ask Italy if possible. --"Truth fears no questions..." 02:11, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

You still playing PM? Iraq might collapse at this rate if you don't post something soon. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 15:13, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Welcome Back
As in a few hours of my writing this message, I assume you will be back to the Wiki, so I have something I would like you to see. Before I make it official I wanted to run it by you. I finished it moments before writing this. Been working on it since we started, lol.

What is it you may wonder?

The completed map of Earth for Maximum Systema.

Aha, I got you there, didn't I? Not kidding. Here it is!



Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:47, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Hey! I had a different map which is now in one of Scraw's archives. Here is my version of the world map and the countries of the world. Note: because colours were running short, former colonies are in the colour of their former masters. Same with the Philippines.



Here is my map of the planet. It has a smaller Kraguegian landmass, but has both Australia and Zealandia (these both form the country called the Commonwealth of Austra-Zealandia). It also has a much smaller northern landmass compared to Scraw's map. The size of Antartica is smaller, but has only 3 states. Well, I think that is all, lol! :D Imperium Guy 17:05, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Welcome back MP!AP (talk) 18:31, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, our original intent was for Australia to merge with Antarctica. Read the original blog and conversation. was the continent in question and Antarctica and Australia are one in that. Zealandia is the big island in place of Aussie. Also I worked out some background stories for the nations. I hate superlarge South American nations, no offense.

In VRR we/America had a war with Aztlan over Oregon. Boom boom boom! Aztlan gone! First Mexican War over!

In PM, we are having a Cold War. World War II is about to happen, and I advise Iraq to stay neutral since it is locked between the opponents of the war.

TEvsCP kind of halted after you left. The user Vivaporius did a whole load of stuff. Then in VRR we are in a bad situation. Russia is preparing for war with the Ottomans. I'm securing French adn British help, but without that, I'm screwed.
 * 1) He attemtpted to conquer Portuguese Guinea-Bissau.
 * 2) He attempted to ask all of France's allies in attacking French West Africa.
 * 3) He attempted to industrialize by saying he had rubber and oil, most of which was in fact outside of Liberia's borders.
 * 4) He said that, in the future, Liberia would conquere Britain and Russia if "played his cards right," "had competent leaders," and those "who used their money wisely." I repeatedly told him about our algorithms, but he didn't give one about it. He thinks that all African nations can have the power to take over all of their neighbors and defeated the great powers of the world. (Britain, France, Russia, America, Germany, Italy)
 * 5) Dean got banned for a month, but he'll be back in a few days.

I can't remember any others games you play, so if I missed one, just tell me.

Also I think we should start work on history in MS after you finish the Middle SS and I finish the Outer SS.

Btw, guess what, the people down at NASA discovered a new moon of Pluto. I think my theory that something big hit Pluto and created all those moons is true now. I think that would be our Planet X.

Also we need a name for our Planet X. And research (my research, at least) shows that a star the size of our Sun cannot have more than twenty planets around it, so I think we have no space left, lol.

Anyways, welcome back. I hope you can bring back that light to map games, which has dissappeared due to recent mapgamewide arguments. Heck, you side with one person in a game, but in another, you quarrel with that person day and night.

Also Imp, colors never run short, lol. There's more than six hundred thousand colors.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:42, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Now I never said that I didn't care about the algorithim. And Liberia does have rubber, and I said i might have oil. And I was speaking in RL terms, not i game terms. And you keep ignoring the fact that I never said I think I can take over the world with Africa. Your putting words into my mouth and thought int my head. --"Truth fears no questions..." 18:47, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

No. You're putting words into my mouth.

"...African nations can have the power to take over all of their neighbors..."

I explicitly said neighbors, not the whole world. This is how things go wrong. I notice that you always skim through other users' comments instead of reading the whole things.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:52, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Quit it, both of you. One more peep, and I get to use admin powers. Imperium Guy 18:55, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Scraw for the rundown. And guys, please don't make my talk page a place of argument.

I'll try to update and work on Pluto and the Middle System, respectivly. Maybe now with five moons, it will be recognized as a planet once again. Monster Pumpkin (talk) 21:48, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Not sure if there still a chance of that. BTW, I work on Mars and Venus and the planet after Mars! :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:55, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

What do you think about the US and Russia working together in terms of space exploration? Kennedy and Krushchev almost agreed to it in OTL. Together, the US and Russia could more than one alone, and it would make sense as I plan a Franco-Russo-American Cold War. The US and Russia work together a lot in the Cold War, but they are definitely opponents.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:45, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Probably. Maybe if France temporarily took the lead, the two would work together. Monster Pumpkin (talk) 23:04, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Does it have to do with The Holy Roman Empire? if so then yes he did briefly explain. It was a while ago so could you kindly refresh my memory?

Tell him I have. Agree he has. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:31, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

No worries, me, Andrew, and Lx united Wales, Denmark, and Russia into one nation (sort of) so we shouldn't have problems over controlling the Holy Roman Empire as one nation. We just make seperate posts regarding our part of the nation but regardless we are one nation. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:38, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Na hold on and lemme find the map somewhere in my archives. XD Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:49, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Just Asking
Sure I can help you. I'm good with corporations, just take a look at this! A whole page about television corporations! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:28, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Twelve Star Wars films. Seven Indiana Jones films. Four Jaws films. Have anything else in mind?

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:29, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Yep, twelve was the original plan. Of course, I'm naturally going to tweak that whole thing.
 * IV, V, and VI: Four and five go the OTL way, but six ends with the Emperor escaping, and Darth Vader dying after being redeemed. Luke is not Leia's brother.
 * VII, VIII, and IX: Seven is about the Rebel Alliance growing, and officially declaring itself the New Galactic Republic. The Emperor searches for a new apprentice, and starts constructing the Third Death Star. NO HOLES ON THIS ONE! Leia is crowned Queen of New Alderaan. In eight Luke finds his sister, some girl on some planet, somewhere. Palpy gets a new superpowerful apprentice. Nine: Luke and his sister kill and defeat Palpy and the apprentice.
 * I, II, and III: OTL.
 * X, XI, and XII: About fighting the Imperial remnant.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 05:28, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Questions
LurkerLordB (Talk) 23:26, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Generally, pretty much that. In the beginning of the game, you'll have to do some research as the real-life people are going to be alive, but later you can just say "King/Queen XXX of YYY is searching for a wife/husband, and marries Queen/King of ZZZ", with ZZZ being a NPC nation. Just have it happen realistically (you can't marry a new person every few years) and keep the people in the same religious group (the queen of England won't marry the Sultan of the Mamluks). Or, you could always, after winning a war against someone, have the territory you take not join your nation directly, but instead enter dynastic union. If you want a union with player nations, just announce that your King/Queen is looking for a spouse, maybe with an OOC note asking any nation interested to apply.
 * It came about mostly through a little trade and ASB. It won't happen again.
 * The HRE is strong in numbers, but weak in unity. They won't always all help each other in wars and whatnot, but when they do, their sheer size will be enough to make them strong.
 * Depends on the manner of unification. It shouldn't take more than a few decades if you have lots of people all working together on the goal. Though, be warned, when the Protestant Reformation happens (yes, there will be one in PM2, unlike in PM), the HRE's unity could be tried... LurkerLordB (Talk) 20:42, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is right, but after the death of King John, the union with France would be broken, because his son only held the thrones of Wales and England, and the kingdom of France would belong either to the child of John and Constance, or, if they were childless, a nephew of Constance or something. So you could only control England, Scotland, and France at a time, because after John's death France would not be in personal union, while Wales would replace it.
 * OK
 * 1) The strongest organization might be a better term
 * 2) If you reall have the three strongest states, it should only take a few decades of bullying to get the weaker states to follow what you do in most situations, at least for a while. If you truly wish to unite all of the HRE into one of these three states, you will have a much harder time with it.

Really, that's sort of a useless rule, I'll remove it. However, I don't want to see people having a new dynastic union every 25 years. But I can just have revolts and whatnot break apart those. LurkerLordB (Talk) 02:36, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

Want a bit of Persia?
Hey MP! Do you fancy a bit of Persia in PM? It will be a great opportunity to expand Iraq for more Shi'te land and make your country a much larger state. Do you want to? :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 12:56, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

BTW, in PMII, I would like to ally myself with the German states so I have stong allies in Europe. Asia-Europe relations are not the best in PMI! :/ Imp (Say Hi?!) 12:58, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

Well, you would just need to attack ith me, but I amk having second thoughts because the SDL could get involved. :/

In PMII, yeah. However I think you should not bother with the southern states (northern Italy) as they are not actually German and would provide problems as they would rebel (in mod events). So lets hope everything goes better! :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:35, July 25, 2012 (UTC)D

Don't get involved in this war because the SDL will declare war on you and crush you for imerpialism.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:49, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

HRE Proposal
I might join the HRE if you immediately allow me to annex Genoa and Lubeck. Should either be in the HRE then I wont join since they are rival merchant republics. Scandinator (talk) 22:14, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

PM II Holy Roman Empire
Please, let's not have any relations with India! I wanted to conquer it, like the British! Mwhahahahahahahahaha! Outside of Europe and Africa, let's make our HRE look like the HRE of Superpowers!

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:53, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

Maximum Systema: Breaking News!
Call the PR! Calll CNN! Call the paprazzi! Stop the presses! For god's sake, call Julius Caesar and Odysseus!

I just thought of something for MS! If we have two moons, the Greeks and Romans would have gods for them both, no? So we just have to create like a new god(dess) or something to fill in the gap! Any ideas?

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 07:35, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

States of America 5 Reloaded
We've reloaded the fifth edition of States of America and would like you to play. CourageousLife (talk) 03:20, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

Re: New Map Game
OK, sounds good to me. Can you explain it a bit further?

Also, want to do an ASB timeline with me? I have a map, I just need a backstory and a name. Basically huge French, Russian, Sino-Japanese, Indian, Arabian, and American Empire. If you want to see the map just to see the ridiculousness of it I can put it up.

71.190.12.235 16:53, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

OK, sounds good to me. Mind if I call China?

Well, here it is. The first POD is that Russia has defeated Sweden and Poland Lithuania in a great big war, annexing both nations. Eventually Denmark signed an alliance with Britain to protect from Russia. The second POD is that Britain & co. lose the Seven Years' War. France wins the Thirteen Colonies as a result. Then George and Tom and Ben and their friends lead an American Revolution that encompasses all of French North America, and that was a vast place of vastness.

After the Kingdom of France fails to end the New World Revolution, they have no chance of stopping a French Revolution. The French republicans win after fighting their revolution from 1785 to 1789. Eventually Napoleon overthrew the Directory in 1791 and overthrew the Consulate in 1793. Thus began the French Empire. He conquered Prussia, weak from the Seven Years' War, and Austria, weak due to a collapsing Holy Roman Empire. He conquered Italian and German states udner his rule to consolidate his Empire. Then he and Russia conquered and defeated Denmark, awarded to Russia. Then he invaded Spain as well, crushing it due to having a poor government. New Spain rebels blah blah blah blah it's a very long story.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:05, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

Ah I forgot. The Iberian Empire. The Royal Families of Spain and Portugal fled to Peru and Brazil respecitively. However, the Russians caught them, and only the daughter of the Spanish King and the Portoguese Crown Prince escaped. Then they married and united into one nation to protect against America and France.

Also recently I started watching Epic Rap Battles again. If you don't know them, look emup on YouTube. Only the ones by nicepeter and ERB are real. I was thinking about doing an Althistory Wiki parody of them.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:19, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

Vive
I've been following Vive for a while and was wondering how the situation with the CSA might work out CourageousLife (talk) 19:28, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Has anybody already staked a claim for it, or would I have to be the first one to sign up? CourageousLife (talk) 19:37, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

The CSA or Rebellion or whatever it'll be called CourageousLife (talk) 19:44, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Wow, good for you O.o

Just thinking about different ways to get in the game. (Probably) Not going to get in this way...

CourageousLife (talk) 19:49, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Map Games/Journey
OK, I've got you. Also I think we should think about potentially reviving Triple Entente vs. Central Powers. And I'll try my best to avoid Civil War unless AP decides to have the states secede in a mod event. Also, New York and Philly shouldn't have both been on the bidding list as each nation can only put forth once city by protocol. That is because having two cities ensures a greater chance of you winning, and that is unfair. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:34, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Triple Entente vs. Central Powers SOS
Hi. There are a few of us left, but unless someone takes action it will fall. If you feel like giving up then please at least let us know, so one of us could adopt it. Thanks David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk) 09:41, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Lobositz Lamentable Loss
Sorry for the delay, but the game has now begun! RandomWriterGuy (talk) 05:44, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Great! You can add to you post in BFER.

And anyways, in VRR, there was this dispute after the British/AP/IOC banned Russia from the Games for starting a war, so everyone except Britain and Greece and Mecklenburg (of course!) left the British Games to create a new one. You get the first Games in Philly since you're the only member nation prepared.

And no, I'm not playing LLL mostly because the good nations are gone, and also because I played the last one, an abject failure, and I'm trying to focus a bit on my TLs more. Check out my most recent one. A World of Difference. A lot of the inspiration for it came from RWG's last game, lol, but most of it is original.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:39, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Imperialism II
Game has begun. --RandomWriterGuy (talk) 20:09, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Das Plan
So I have a new map for our PMII plan. We need Burgundy, Savoy (or Milan), and Switzerland on our side for it to work. Burgundy can take the Western parts of the Empire, I'll take the North, you take the South/southeast, and we split Bohemia. Bavaria can take the central parts of the Empire. Then we can go after the other nations. First me and you and will go after the Teutonic Knights.

Then our first big problem is the monster, Poland Lithuania. I suppose all of us will have to gang up on that. Maybe we should go after Poland first and then reduce it to Lithuania? We might have to go through a series of wars for that.

By this point it'll be 1500 or something. You think we might be able to set colonies in the New World if we're strong enough?

Then I suppose we can go after Italy, which should be fairly easy. Still trying to figure how we're the HRE if we don't ahve Rome. I suppose that's why they always called it the Not Holy-Not Roman-Not Imperial Holy Roman Empire, which is spelled Holy Roman Empire. XD

I suppose there remains an enemy in the form of France. France is a bit disorganized, but I think the whole Empire will have to go after it. Led by Austria, Burgundy, or Brandenburg I suppose. If we win this, we can go after Hungary, led by you.

Maybe if all goes well, we can enlist the help of Scotland and Wales and go after England. That would be quite hard.

So in the end the Empire will be comprised of several provinces: Germany (Brandenburg), Austria, Bavaria, Italy (Savoy or Milan), France (whichever house RWG is playing), Poland (or the East, commanded by Poland), Burgundy, Switzerland, Iberia (Castille), England (England only). I want to get Castille with us by political or dynastic union. I don't want to get Spain through conquest. And slowly by slowly we can unite the Kings/Emperors/Dukes whatevers of all our 10 provinces into the Royal Family. This wll be a dynastic union for all the provinces, so that no one will get mad over having a German Emperor or anything. This will take 200 years or so, but we can do it faster than that. RWG will continue playing France, England's palyer will continue playing it, JCC will continue playing Iberia, etc etc.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:14, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Triple Entente vs. Central Powers Remake
Can I have a part in helping make it? Stewdio333 (talk) 06:47, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

I say the Mongol Empire, but all three of those nations are bound to be taken over.

But what are you talking about about the HRE? There's only one other player, Burgundy, and I convinced him to join the plan, and that hopefully we won't have to conquer France due to its ties with Burgundy which will be strong by that point.

Are you talking about the nations? Most of those are subordinate to others, and if not, easy to conquer. Too easy, in fact. A majority of those states don't even deserve existence.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:30, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Well technically it's already a bunch of puny annoying nations that are mostly independent yet magically part of the Holy Roman Empire. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:46, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, and it will be if we can carry out the plan. We'll be like states, or like provinces, like Ancient Rome's Gaul, Anglica, etc etc. Sort of like US states, but with far more "states'" rights, so to speak. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:54, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds interesting, but I'm not sure I understand the whole tunneling through universes idea. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:23, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, OK, it makes sense now. Indeed. Very interesting concept. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:10, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

OK then. All that, and a bag of chips!

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:41, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Allo there mate, the Alligator Hunta's got a faveh to ask ya. Could ya post this in Imperialism II?

Tsar Alexis I of the Tsardom of Russia announces that the Tsardom will be boycotting this game until the game is corrected. The Tsar is greatly upset that hundreds of years of Russian expansion are not on the map, and because of implausibility. A: Charles II would never in a million years be able to leave England without being killed. And B: If he did, he would  not ,  ever , go to France, his hated biggest super-mega-ulta-all time enemy. Come on? Does no one know about France and England? Tsarly regards, Alexei.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:49, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks mate.

Interesting ya should ask that mate. Recently AI finished a formula, mate. (Get it? I? AI?) Right then. Erm let's see. About 450 years from. Let's say 60 or 70 years per Emperor. 450/130 gives me about 33 Emperor. Eight sets of four rotational Imperial names, plus the 450 year interval ceremonial name, providing the Emperor to be Riskarlan XIX.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 05:06, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Indeed.

Well, mate, my cousin came to my shack (house) today, and he really liked the Alligata Hunta.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 05:18, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

BFER
Alright, I'll change the flag ASAP. About your TL, what exactly are you talking about? PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 21:47, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, fixed. Merry Christmas! :D PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 21:50, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, leave me a link :) PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:23, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, did you happen to sign an alliance with the Terran Empire? Cause the Imperial enate does not approve of this....at all.

XD

In other news, I like the new flag. Very spiffy, but I think it's a bit reminiscent of the Nordic cross flags (Denmark, Sweden, etc). I doubt Christianity dominates your Empire, lol.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:16, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

In that case, another question: would the Dravimosian Empire (Confederation, whatever, I forget.) engage in full on war with the Regenetech (an Azaranian) and/or genocide of any particular species?

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:28, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, so I will explain.

So there's some nation (Constantine Republic, I believe) that is allied to the Dravimosian Empire, and does not like the Regenetech Empire because of their close relations with the Azaranian Empire, the ultra-enemy of the Constantines. And they're looking for an excuse to start a war with the Rs or As. So they destroy one of their planets or something and frame the Rs. So they declare war on the Rs. And the Rs go back and attack the Cs, in defense. Meanwhile the As side with the Rs, and the Terrans side with the Cs, and these little nations ally with either side. Meanwhile the Ds, torn between their two allies, picks the ???? side.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:43, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

No, this is about the GWI.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:58, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Right, so back to the question: what are the chances of the Ds joining the Cs or Rs? I think more a neutral stance. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 05:02, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Pita and I both.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:08, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Hey the nation of Bohemia is directly above you more or less. It is an elector. Bavaria wants to become an elector at a later date(there are 7) is it possible for you or me to remove/annex Bohemia so Bavaria can reach said status. NOTE THIS IS LONG TERM PLAN NOT FOR NOW. When Bavaria is united I would like to have a little more voting power in the electorate. These are not the droids you are looking for. 20:30, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Dialouge
Heh, knew this would come up soon, especially since I controll trade within the HRE :D. Let's talk. Scandinator (talk) 21:59, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Well? I've been waiting.... What did you wish to talk with me about? Scandinator (talk) 04:36, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Lol, I didn't see it. I really should archive my page. In regards to your offer, Venice is still interested in expanding on the Italian Peninsula especially into Mantua and Ferrara. The Genoans aren't going to turn their trade west ever since Spain and France manage their own trade and Genoa has possessions in Crimea (seized from Venice) and the greek islands. Scandinator (talk) 04:57, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Genoa doesn't control HRE trade, they only dominate the trade of the nations bounded by France, Burgundy, Switzerland, Austria, Venice, Ferrara, Modena and Florence, essentially OTL south-east France and north west Italy. If you are looking for the one that the majority of the HRE states trade through, that would be me. Reaching Venice by cart is easier that getting to Genoa (Alps are higher in Switzerland) and Venice has a larger, stronger merchant fleet than Genoa and is more centrally located. Scandinator (talk) 06:24, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

England in PMII and Calais
I'm planning to create a Principality of Calais as principality in personal union with England but in the HRE. My plan is to support centralist policies and rpotect the english commercial interests in Germany. If that's ok, when the war ends, I'll create the principality and ask formally to join the Empire. I'll do whatever is in my hands to support the centralistic policies. If, in some point at the future, I decide I don't need Calais anymore, or I just need to give it completely to the HRE, then I'll give it to the Emperor at the time or accept a co-administration pact. --Galaguerra1 (talk) 02:40, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

PMII
I insist in Genoa because I want coast. Against the Pope, that would be a hard change, but sure, count me in!. Just one question, why do we hate the Pope?. We should try to ally with the Spaniards, French or English this time. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 03:13, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Should we wait the Pope's attack to Genoa to start the war? Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 00:32, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

MAJOR CRISIS STUFF
hey i just asked Milan to help, also i am already sending aid to Saxony and Bavaria as they asked laste year for it.These are not the droids you are looking for. 01:37, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying, as always I will back the emperor I was just a little lost, nothing seemed to be happening for a cuple of hours then I come back and wham! funny huh?These are not the droids you are looking for. 06:05, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

I personally believe we should Unite all of the HRE and maybe some unwilling outlying states. I know Von says that this caliphate thing won't be a threat but honestly, how could it NOT? We need to shore up strength in Europe, be the Economic, Military, and Political centre of the world, only through that can we ensure our lasting influence as well as protect Christianity from the infedel. I would love to see Venice join the HRE, but we need to focus on shoring up areas that are already ours, just weakened our begining to drift away, then maybe we can thing about seizing Venice.SECRETLY(It would be nice to have our own Pope in the papacy, how would we go about doing this? I have an Arch Bishop and will soon have a cardinal, if we are to realize our uniting all the way to Rome, we need and HRE sympathetic Pope.)These are not the droids you are looking for. 16:06, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

If we are waiting for an attack, can Austria go ahead and give support to the Grand Duchy of Bavaria to untie the region? also how exactly is the Central German states split between all of us?These are not the droids you are looking for. 20:12, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, Monsieur Emperor, we need to talk.

A: I'm totally confused these days. Between school, and real life issues at home, and too many games, projects underhand, and new things popping up everyday, my memory's being tossed around a lot. How many player states do we have in the HRE?

B: I got Aragon into the HRE! Yay!

C: We need France on our side, not England. France shall connect us to Iberia and give us greater power. England is really weakened right now, and France grows more powerful every day. I don't want an angry France against us.

D: I am in desperate in need of a coastline. I tried with the weakening Teutonic Knights, but even with greater numbers, technology, and advantages, the Knights created a draw in the algorithm. Biggest WTF moment in PM or PMII history yet. Second only to Finland's Japanization in game 1. (Kogasa. Gotta love him.)

E: If the Emperor could make a secret command to his member states (aka HRE players) to support Brandeburg and Burgundy against Luxembourg, it would be benifical for the both of us. I will no longer be a puppet and shall have more power and be able to make my own decisions.

F: Just feel free to add Brandenburg in all wars and please add to the signatories of the treaty because I won't be on often nowadays.

G: I think we should find some way into making the Pope or Venice the attacker (ie: Trick them or something like that). I really wanted Venice to join by agreeing and not by force (in fact, no nations by force at all), but alas, all cannot go our way.

H: This game grows increasingly annoying year by year.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:38, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Right then, all is well, I gain 36.84% of Luxembourg, enough to make it mine. So, since I win, that becomes mine as part of our treaty. Brandenburg shall now relax and lay back and await the Emperor's command. We shall not war long now.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:16, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

PMII HRE
Are you referring to the unification treaty?

I'm unsure of the ramifications of the treaty. Can I still maintain my own military? And can I take over Anhalt? Or do I have to take it over by stealth/marriage?

Callumthered (talk) 03:28, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

Can you support my bid to have the capital in Wurttemberg? I am also a fan of Frankfurt too. Check the HRE talk page and you'll see the nominations.These are not the droids you are looking for. 19:31, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

Caliphate threat??
now that we are fairly united we need to look at the possible threat to Europe posed by Von's super caliphate thing. We need to ensure that if one is formed the Europe be protected. Do you have any idea on what to do??These are not the droids you are looking for. 19:48, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

As per the original Das Plan by Scraw, Bavaria had a pleasantly large amount of territory. I know that plan is no longer in use, and I have no plans to militarily force another nation to do my bidding right now, but there are certain regions like Baden and Anhalt that I would like to absorb or whatever. Under the treaty they will be independent but still be under my influence. As there is still a host of NPC's in the HRE I thought that it was okay for possible future expansion. As you are my Emperor I thought I would ask you about it.These are not the droids you are looking for. 19:59, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

My nation Page
Hey can you check out my nation page and tell me what you think. http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Grand_Duchy_of_Bavaria_(Principia_Moderni_II_Map_Game)#Bavarian_unification_and_its_effects_on_government

These are not the droids you are looking for. 20:12, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

He was a King before, I just let him retain the Title, it is essentialy worthless under the EmperorThese are not the droids you are looking for. 20:16, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

this is the official disclaimer on my nation page

(subnote the Title King, merely means is authority as per HRE Unification Treaty, over the regions of Bavaria. In no way does it mean an undermining of the Emperor's authority. Long Live the Empire! Long Liv the Emperor!)

CheersThese are not the droids you are looking for. 20:20, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

Nope. I'm Ethiopia. I Am Walrus is Switzerland. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 23:40, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

Check this new page on the High Imperial Court of the Holy Roman Empire. This will be our forum on its structure, appointees and cases. http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/The_High_Imperial_Court_%28HRE%29_%28Principia_Moderni_II%29

Andr3w777 (talk) 00:47, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Why thank you. May I say the same fo you. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 02:14, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

What is your proposal?Scandinator (talk) 06:26, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

check out my re-vamped Supreme Court page. All discussion will be held on the talk page, that way our court ruling and history will look more presentable. As an off the wall question, Whom do you support for President this year? I am thinking Republican myself, but am not too sure.Andr3w777 (talk) 20:47, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

i asked Gal to look at it, I suppose we need to all get together and fix this mess out. Also, It wouldn't be a debate, I may lean liberal on certain issues, but I am very much a fan of fiscal responsability :)Andr3w777 (talk) 20:52, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

under the Bavaria's Plan title on the Supreme Court Talk page, I outline my plan for the election and vetting of the Justices. It seems to be a very stable plan. If it is well, I would like you to support the motion. Otherwise, list your objections.Andr3w777 (talk) 21:08, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Check the Manifest page for my idea on the Preamble.Andr3w777 (talk) 21:15, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Agreed! Scandinator (talk) 06:20, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

the Ottoman Empire Field by offers the Holy Roman Empire a military and trade alliance in hopes of strengthening our ties and creating a stronger Europe under the Holy Roman emperors guidance. also, we hereby promise to create a Holy Land under joint Holy Roman and Ottoman control, unlimited Christian missionaries will also be allowed in the Empire as well. (Talk)

Also the Ottomans offer forces to help end the Holy Roman civil war in favor of the Empire. (Talk)

I agree to your terms, I send 25,000 soldiers to help in the Civil War. may our 2 nations celebrate this occasion send may the Alliance last forever. (Talk)

yeah the empire send 25,000 troops, 5000 from each vassal with a total of 35,000 troops wow 3 squadrons of the Ottoman navy are dispatch to help you as well. (Talk)

Castille's player
He just edited the last turn, so he is still clearly active. Thus, there is really nothing you can do but keep waiting for an offer, reminding him of it, or giving up and sending it elsewhere. LurkerLordB (Talk) 23:16, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

That was his last post for a week, but he just came back for 1464. Though that is a 7 day gap, he is still technically active. LurkerLordB (Talk) 23:39, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Castille PMII
I talked to the Castille player (Jaeden) and he said that he will accept your offer in his next post. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 16:25, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

He only said "soon", around 1468 I hope. But he has been busy lately so I'm not sure Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 17:13, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Sure. Scandinator (talk) 09:35, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

hey, Since i helped in the algorithm, can I have a slice of the conquered territory(I was the first to ask before, and I have been helpful in the past...)Andr3w777 (talk) 20:06, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

Monaco
Hi MP, I think that actually Monaco is more under French influence than Savoyan.I have been weakening the influence of Savoy since they return to the Empire (I'm pretty sure I'm more powerful and Savoy should be really internally weakened after the Civil War).

Why am I looking at the west? because Venice vassalise most Italy (seven vassals while fighting a war?) without respecting any other player interests (Florence and me) only letting me the West to expand a little bit, and I'd prefer Asti and Montferrrat than fighting another player within the Empire (no matter how annoying and threatening I could find him). Why Switzerland? because the IMG can always accept a new member and I really want to weaken Savoy (you now, the mod said that Savoy won't be very loyal to the HRE in the future). Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 01:17, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Hey the HRE needs to consider a massive military build up slash expansion in order to keep up with the caliphates growth. They ae much larger than use and much, much more powerful at tis moment. Withpoland Lithuania gone. We have no buffer zone. I doubt we can count on Russia. And the Byzantines could easily be swept away by the caliphates forces. We need to act fast before we get inundated. I suggest a large Cold War esqe buildup of forces. But no war until they attack first. We need as many allies as we can possible mister. Any suggestions? Also do you plan on allowing an election on the emperor in the near future it has been close to thirty years with the same guy. Just wonderingAndr3w777 (talk) 20:57, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

See here now, do not support Poland, my good friend, because this war is straight on suicide. Stand down, and if you must pick a side, supply the Russians. I trust Muscovy, but I trust Novgorod more, and what with the Patriarch of Constantinople in our hands (Venetian Byzantium), they would not dare to attack us. Just post for your nation and your vassals and subordinates and write in military build ups for all of them. That is my suggestion. Support Poland, and then do not count on help from Brandenburg or Aragon or Luxembourg. War with the Russians, and lose Brandenburg, Aragon, and Luxembourg, and do not attempt to get them back. I draw the line there.

(This just in game madness, I am not really mad at you. Think of it as a letter from Bill to Fred.) :)

Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 02:56, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

If the Muslims declare war on the HRE. Venice will bear the brunt of the attack. However as the HRE's largest state in terms of power and population, should Venice itself be threatened then almost the ENTIRE force of HRE nationstates will rally behind Venice. If we beat the Caliphate, all of Europe will look at Venice in awe :D as we would have led the Christians to victory (I am expecting a term as emperor soon after). Also I have an ace up my sleeve, the Patriarch of Constantinople, the "pope" of the Orthodox. Scandinator (talk) 01:39, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

Italy - Naples is stupid and should die in a hole
It seems that there will be a conflict in the near future within Italy. The two sides would be Venice vs Naples. I need to probe which side the Florentines and Milanese will support. I also ask you which side you will support? The reason for this conflict is the inappropriate seizure of Serbia and Montenegro by the Neopolitian tyrant king and his alliance attempt with Hungary to attack us. Should we win, Venice will occupy Malta and Sicily, I will offer Florence and Milan, Sardinia. Also he is claiming Majorica much to Scraws displeasure. Scandinator (talk) 08:04, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

I personally don't want to start the conflict due to the current situation with the Caliphate but Naples has kindly provided the fuel with their meddling with both mine and Scraw's affairs. Here's a spark, Naples is trying to ally with members of the Caliphate and will not fight them. And I would not be surprized if Naples supports the Caliphate if they attack Venice. Also Milan may swing either way in any eventually conflict with Naples, they are pissed at the Northern Italian Confederation and Savoy has been snatched from under their noses. Scandinator (talk) 02:41, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

OK, yeah. I can't let Naples go gallivanting claiming the Baleares and Majorica. Aragon also needs revenge for Naples splitting off half a century ago. Aragon wants most of Naples propers, and Sardinia or Sicily, and Naples can get the rest. Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 18:02, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

Hungary, while interested in alliances, is not interested in participating in any future wars unless provoked. Just saying.  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 18:04, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

== SECRET DO NOT READ PEOPLE!!!!!!! ==

Lurk said then about 30 years or so the Empire will see a massive split. If that is the case, Bavaria hopefully will certain the lands it has and will declare support for Austria. After the Schism I do not see a realistic way for the HRE to remain. If we cannot stay united, I motion that we allow the "Big Three" (i.e Bavaria, Brandenburg, and Austria) to seize whatever states we must, and then once we've grown to include majority of the smaller states. Then declare a The German Reich, where all three of our nations act in a similar way to the RF. We are all independent but we form one massive Empire. I know that is a good ways away but we must be prepared.Andr3w777 (talk) 15:40, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Map Game Wiki
I've been thinking about this idea for a long time.

Basically, it would have four advantages:

A) Map Games would not be restricted to althistory.

B) The reputation of this wiki wouldn't be so downgraded by them a-holes on AH.com.

C) It would have the effect of less clutter on this wiki.

D) It could have rules specifically designed for Map Games, including rules about defunct ones, etc.

What do you think?

The Royal Guns (talk) 19:55, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

hey would you like to play this new map game of mine http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Arabian_Failure_(Map_Game)#Asia Sine dei gloriem (talk) 22:57, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

MaxSysa
Go to the Maximum Systema talkpage. I think its time we got down to business. Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:29, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

when do you plan to have a new Emperor, the current has been charge for a very long time.Andr3w777 (talk) 00:44, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Arabian Failure map game
the game has begin so please begin posting Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:21, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

The Golden Khanate and Alexandria are both under Caliphate control. You never took Alexandria and the Caliphate took over the Golden Khanate. Please stop posting as them, otherwise I will start to think you are continuing to post as you are defying the algorithm results, something which is punishable. You have been told twice already not to, don&apos;t do it again. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:07, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Hey man, now the Emperor of HRE will be the candidate of Bavaria, I do not know exactly how many years will reign but for the election after this you have a plan? then I would try my. Forging alliances from now. Quiari (talk) 19:54, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Castilla-Asustria
Hello, I read that before I get in, you were forging a marriage to unite these kingdoms, you think you can give me your territories, because you are withdrawing, making the leader of your kingdom and mine is one, as was in real history, so it does not go to waste your legacy, it would be something wonderful, I hope you let me, not Bavaria. Mawilda (talk) 17:37, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Nice Having You back
Well PMII the HRE sorta fell apart. We created an anolgue of the Protestant reformation, Bavaria is now Protestant, and is at war with the Empire because of Catholic aggressionAndr3w777 (talk) 21:05, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

um, a reboot of Radiactive Tides just started, and it isn't too bad. Also there is a gmae made by Cosman called medieval world, its sort of an earlier reboot of the first PM, same rules, but a bit more strict.Andr3w777 (talk) 21:12, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Wow, you did come back!

Anyways, there are the games Andrew listed, we also have this. The Protestant War started in PM, they're called Kappelists. Austria is in dynastic union with Brandenburg, and I'm about to conquer Bohemia to unite the two nations, but you could still play if you want.

Aside all that, it's great to see you back and maybe you'll stay a bit longer.

Happy New Year!

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 21:18, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

MS
Sure. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:16, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Well, here are my thoughts. That's all for now. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:28, January 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Let's just crash Japan into mainland Asia.
 * I was thinking the Bering Strait could be closed off by a land bridge.
 * Hyperborea should be a little further north, and more than just an amalgamation of the OTL island all jumbled up together.
 * For Oceania, maybe we can just compress everything with New Zealand to form Zealandia. (Should have different name other than Zealandia.)

I think we should create a new game based on the same premises, but a little different.

Two things if we make a new game: Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 05:09, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Put the old one up for deletion.
 * 2) I call China.

Yay, you're back again! <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  16:56, February 10, 2013 (UTC) <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:5px;padding-top:5px;-webkit-border-radius: 36px 36px;-moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px;-webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#E5E4E2 45%, #282828 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(black,#000000 45%, #282828 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px;"> <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  17:00, February 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) We have a new BFE games currently.
 * No, actually.
 * 1) Battle for Earth: Tanks and Tripods (Map Game)
 * 2) Try LG.

Two Answers
Never played Vicky 2 before. That being said, I know with games from Paradox the first thing to do with such problems is back up the save files, and reinstall the game. If the problem persists after that, contact Paradox.

No. You cannot have pages that do that.

Lordganon (talk) 02:36, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm... Odd. Try deleting the files and then uninstalling. I know a fair number of the files used for recent Paradox games are left behind even in a uninstall. At what point is it erroring on you? While starting a game? When trying to run? When it is going through the opening sequence?

Lordganon (talk) 11:02, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, unless you desrcibed that problem on the paradox forum - without the error message - you would not have found an answer.

As it happens, that's one I know the why of - have you been adjusting your files? That's normally the cause.

What to do....

Copy your save files, and put them somewhere else. Then, uninstall the game.

After that, look for the Victoria II folder. Should be around still. Delete it.

Reinstall, and move the save files you copied and moved elsewhere back.

Overall, the source of the problem is one of the files in the "localization" folder. And when it getsscrewed up, you can't fix it - and, to make that even worse, it screws up all the files involved with the game, that aren't text or save game files. Hence, backing up the save files and the need to get rid of every single other Victoria II file.

That should help.

Lordganon (talk) 08:48, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Help
Well, I do think Chihuahua would be easy, if they tried hard enough. But getting Rio would be at different stages of difficulty, depending on which Mexico is being attacked.

<span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  23:08, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Hey i noticed that you're trying to start up a new map game. I definitely think that there should be a new one considering that all other map games right now are pretty much dead... AvAReb just died because of mod issues and implausibility so i think it's a good time to open one.AP (talk) 23:07, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

I really liked TE vs CP, it was my first map game and was pretty enjoyable. Vive la Revolution could come later i guess. My top pick would be TE vs CP though. I think that a game at the beginning of civilization would be interesting but it would be difficult to mod/play because you don't really know what you can/can't do, you know what Im getting at?AP (talk) 23:13, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

I don't know about those early civilization games... I definitely wanna do a TE vs CP revival, but we can do anything really.AP (talk) 23:18, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

ask him, I won't be on until later today.AP (talk) 23:24, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

No problem. I was interested in a new TEvsCP a while ago, but AvARb took attention away from that. However, I've learned a lot from AvARb, and we should make new, stricter rules and toss out the algorithm.

For example, we will need to regulate lots of things like alliances and trade. In AvARb I saw lots of enemies allying with each other and stuff.

And replacing the algorithm we should set up a panel of players to judge who should win wars and by how much.

00:24, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

For a subpage, put the original page (Example: Smosh) and then /the name of the subpage. So Smosh and Anthony Padilla would be Smosh/Anthony Padilla. For user pages (like Sandboxes), put User:Monter Pumpkin/Sandbox. Hope this makes sense. :)

22:57, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

re:BFE
I'd be interested in helping, but I am investing a lot of time in my new TL for now, so my activity may be low for a while on the BFE project. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 02:44, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

I just finished the flag(s), i'll upload both. choose the one you like the most.Ivngrcia (talk) 03:11, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

Britain Flag
So, i just uploaded the Britain's flag with the blue and black pattern, check it out :v

Thank you for USL
The United States of Luna was a great idea! I am giving you the go ahead to create a page on it. Good luck I hope you win!!! Oh yeah and to make it cooler add in a war if you want it to be Canon. Octivian Marius (talk) 00:35, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

BFE
So I've heard. We should really try to lay some new things down for it. And we should screen nations before we let them join, so we don't have random stuff like that Hive nation from 2 and the Planet Ships from 3.

17:56, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

I think we should really try to set a few things in stone first. Maybe by June we can start.

03:02, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

You guys can start on a TL for the game as long as you ask players of the last few games if they want their race included in the TL. I'll also be doing some editing of my own to Mech/Phantom pages in order to not only revive the canon, but to nerf their territory a bit. CrimsonAssassin- "You can't handle this egg roll" 16:08, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Whatever feels right to you as long as it doesn't conflict with existing canon. CrimsonAssassin- "You can't handle this egg roll" 22:08, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Probably the usual unless people say otherwise. CrimsonAssassin- "You can't handle this egg roll" 01:00, May 31, 2013 (UTC)

Dravimos
Oh, you mean the Nordic one? I'll try to find it. PitaKang- My Life for Aiur! En Taro Tassadar 02:13, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/File:DravimosFlag.png - Here ya go :D PitaKang- My Life for Aiur!  En Taro Tassadar 02:14, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Caborr
Sure, go right ahead. I'm looking forward to seeing how it turns out. Feel free to contact me for anything! CourageousLife (talk) 17:43, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

I can do some minor stuff for the Caborr, like flags and lore and such. Would this be okay? CourageousLife (talk) 18:10, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

Sure, that's alright. I'll look at what you have already and try to build my lore around that. CourageousLife (talk) 19:39, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

Great. I'll check back to see what you think. CourageousLife (talk) 19:44, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

I think I'll limit it to just the Caborr for now. They were the originals. CourageousLife (talk) 22:45, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Salaamberia
Sure, go ahead and use itWegscuba (talk) 01:44, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

Of course. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 14:24, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Help?
Pardon? What exactly do you need?

You can upload images from Wikipedia as you would others. Go to that page, click on the image, and right-click "Save Image AS" ("Save File As" for SVG files). Then you upload the files here (don't forget to add the licensing). Does that help? --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 00:49, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Centri republic
Certainly, but if there is a new BFE game, could I play (as the Centri)?

Oh, never mind, my mistake. Course you can.

Did you see my response about the Polarans? If not, your more than welcome to play as them. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 21:03, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, is it a map game or a timeline?

I've uploaded a map that we can use... can we start with it?

RE: Help with BFE
Sure, I can do the template(I am assuming that you mean the NavBox on the bottom with all the links). I just need to know what you want as a colour scheme and what links you want put in the nav box.-Lx (leave me a message) 17:46, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, am giving you a prototype, to edit it, it is quite simple, go into Source editing mode, and edit the table parameters. Colours are in Hexidecimal code, what I did to get them is go on photoshop and pick a colour with the colour picking tool, and one of the parameters it gave me is the hex code...so anyway, it is quite simple to edit the thing, when you see link code it goes [name of article you want to link to if it is on the wiki|what text apears] there are usualy two square brackets, but I am using one so it does not make the text I put into a link. if you have any more questions, I will gladly answer them. To put this template onto a page, just go into source, and copy everything from the line of code where it says center, to the other center at the bottom, and paste it at the bottom of whatever page you want it on.-Lx (leave me a message) 18:18, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

<p style="text-align:left;">Alright, I made a template page for you, so basicaly, if you put without spaces, then it will automaticaly pull the template from http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Dravimos which is the one above. Just so you only need to edit one template instead of a template on each individual page, if you change the template at the link, all the others will change aswell.-Lx (leave me a message) 18:29, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

<p style="text-align:left;">It is my game... Local (talk)

<p style="text-align:left;">He made it, but we discussed it on Chat and co created it, so it will show him as the creator, but it is a.joint effort... Local (talk)

ASB - Map Games
When a map game has the ASB tag, the Map Games tag is not added. I believe it's one or the other.

02:04, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

SS is correct, MP. Lordganon (talk) 09:56, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Nothing to be sorry about ^^ Lordganon (talk) 04:55, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Fine!!!!
Alright you win but let me keep the page ok. I wanted to add an organization that at least can serve as a sort of Terran Defense Force ok. So lets say Shadow 9 is underfunded ok. Sooo technically its like from the upcoming Xenonauts game. After the Iceland incident in the game, the xenoanuts unit went into the shadows. Same goes for Shadow 9 ok.

I thought that the whole point of the 'no killing humanity' rule was so people don't lose interest? In which case, enslaving them would have the same effect, so it should be against the rules, but correct me if I am wrong Local (talk)

Joining
New players are always welcome! The nation of Afghanistan is currently unoccupied if you want to play as a nation in the area. Mscoree (talk) 20:26, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

Afghani - UR Relations
I am potentially willing to help by sending supplies to you. India is occupied by many nations right now including Russia, South Africa, Commonwealth, Japan, and the United States. I am willing to assist you though if you give me a little more of a plan. G greg e (talk) 03:40, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I will post my turn in about 12hours so feel free to comment with any diplomacy underneath. G greg e (talk)

Map Contest
The first Map Contest has officially begun. Go to the blog post New Wiki Event to see the propmt and timeline. Good luck! CourageousLife (talk) 01:11, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Map game (not on this wiki)
On the Future WIki we have started a map game called World War III: Black Cold. Are you interested in joining? DaneOf Scandinavy (talk) 20:08, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Well lets just say since I created the map game, lets just say its for simply attempting to create a trilogy for a series of map games. Plus we also need somebody to update the map too.Capt.stark1972 (talk) 20:54, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Well truth is there is a prelude to war chapter. Everyone has to pick at least 3 nations. Using the global firepower ranks you have to choose at least 1 of the top 4 nations and then another nation from elsewhere on the planet. If all of the top 4 nations are picked then choose any random nation.Capt.stark1972 (talk) 10:50, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Well it follows the original timeline but it starts in present day the prelude to war. However as time passes, World War III shall begin but it starts in present day. However the game follows the REAL timeline. It also has a rule for realistic gameplay.

Afghanistan
Hi. May I offer aid and specialist scientists in return for a promise you will not persecute Christians?

David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk) 17:51, July 12, 2013 (UTC) (Chan Santa Cruz)

WW3 Stuff
We will accept your help. As long as you help the war effort, you will allowed to make some claims (proportionate to how much you aided the war effort). Mscoree (talk) 01:06, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

Would u like to buy some F-4a fighter jets? Daeseunglim (talk) 01:46, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

I can help invade Russia from the south. In Asia Wu and Korea are maing progress against Manchuria, but once the US and Commonwealth fleets can secure the Pacific Ocean we should be able to attack Russia in Asia. In Europe it is still undecided. Mscoree (talk) 16:46, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

In the Ruins of Rome
The whole point of this game is your nation succeeds form Rome so Rome falls after the Sacking. May you please pick another nation.

Also, you can be a mod if you become the offical template maker, making all the templates for the game, I look forward for Fun in theis game. Octivian Marius (talk) 17:07, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

LOL, I reported the page, and you already put the Delete category on it. I reverted the adding of it to an article Mafia (talk)

Yeah, I was looking at the page because it was made by a new user who is on chat, and I saw the 'retarded' category, and I thought 'that is a little harsh LG', but it was a troll, so Mafia (talk)

It is kind of sad that I don't believe that... Mafia (talk)

I know, but I still feel that if he was REALLY annoyed about how ASB an article was, he might at least be tempted Mafia (talk)

In the ruins of rome
<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:0.4em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0.5em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">In the ruins of rome Starts tommorow @ the start time.

Help
im trying to get the U.S.A. involved in my tl ww2 and im trying to think of a plausible way for F.D.R. to declare war on the Entente.

the tl is the lusitania lives could you give me a hand?

Nkbeeching (talk) 00:49, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

um the entente is Kornilov lead ultranationalist russia, a military regime in france, oswald britain, mussolini Italy, a smaller romania, an anatolia only turkey, amd nationalist china. they support a facist regime lead by Jose Antonio Urquiza which has been expanding to recreate the New Spain viceroyalty. They are fighting and imperial german lead Eastern european coliation and a more democratic japanese empire, the states is pro-german due to tensiions with the entente, and they are currently stationing troops in nicaragua to protect it from exican expansion, and they are friendly with the free irish state.

but i cant figure out how to get the states involved without a direct threat from mexico which is impossible because mexico wouldnt be stupid enough to attack the u.s.a. its suggestable to read the tl before you give me a response im willing to wait a few days, i just want it to be plausible.

Nkbeeching (talk) 01:02, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

kk thanks, yeah france has been helping and the states has embargoed mexico, along with britain nad france after the invasion of the netherlands, so maybe them breaking the embargo with mexico im guessing?Nkbeeching (talk) 10:18, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

i already got them in the war, i used a mix of british invasion of ireland, and the u.s navy caught a french vessel carrying arms to mexico with both of those the states declared war on the entente and Mexico.

thanks for the help, also id like to know your opinion on the TL.

Nkbeeching (talk) 21:55, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Axis vs Allies
The new Axis vs Allies map game has now started. Turns start every day at 18:00 UTC or 2:00 EST. Thank you, PitaKang- My Life for Aiur!  En Taro Tassadar 18:14, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

I am looking to set up a puppet state in axis & allies, can I just bring about a revolution in my neighbors country, or must I wait several turns, and when this occurs, do I operate as that country as well, or does that violate the only one country rule?--198.228.200.149 05:38, August 2, 2013 (UTC)prueman88

Can I pay you for Sweden. I would like the land to have to make Norwat bigger in population size and in land size. ShadowKnights1234 (talk) 12/14/13 11:57 (EST)

AvA reborn
my hopes is to restore the kaiser reich and bring about Greater Germany so i will obviously come into conflict with Austria, France, and Poland. and of course i plan to create a german sphere of influence in central and eastern europe. you up for a later allaince not yet im still building up and wont be going into war unitl atleast 1940's im not going to follow traditional german history. Nkbeeching (talk) 20:25, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, you're approved. You're pretty plausible. PitaKang- My Life for Aiur! En Taro Tassadar 23:31, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Message
I didn't send any message. If you mean the "Welcome" message, those are made by User:Wikia, which signs Welcome messages from the last active administrator. -Kogasa  2013 August 30, 22:03 (CET)

Battle for Earth
Hello,

You signed on as the Soviet Union in the Battle for Earth Strikes Back! Map game. As you may be aware, the game never started due to multiple circumstances. In order to meet everyone's needs, the game was delayed until September. I am putting the finishing touches on the page and the last thing to do is create the map for Earth. To do so, I need to know who's active and who isn't. If you are active, please notify me by Wednesday, September 11 or your nation will be opened up for a new player. Thank you for your patience. CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 20:03, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

My very first nation in the BFE series was the Caborr. Then I created the Itbriell for BFER, and the Ahlose Alliance for BFERev, a Confederation of the Caborr, Itbriell, and Ahlose species. For the rest of the games, I was the Ahlose, but they rarely ever got off the ground. For the sake of Prime, I'm just going to be the Caborr. The homeworld has multiple nations, the Caborr client state being the largest. Sorry for the confusion. CourageousLife (talk) 19:09, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

I had intended to remove the Ahlose from the canon and have the rest of the states be independent, but what you just said sounded intriguing. Now I'm not sure anymore... CourageousLife (talk) 21:03, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

Hi, about battle for earth, i think i decided to take my name off becuase i am tied up with my own map game at the moment. I apologies for the inconveniece. Aternix (talk) 23:29, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

Thanx man, I was quite interetsted in the game and ill let you know if i am freed up to join again. Aternix (talk) 23:34, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

Go ahead, I'm all ears. CourageousLife (talk) 20:47, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Golden. I'll add it to the Caborr state page. CourageousLife (talk) 00:38, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

MP, what was wrong with those images?

<span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#080808 45%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#ffffff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color=maroon face="Helvetica">"I can feel your anger.   <font color="#ff0000" face="Helvetica" title="Blog"> It gives you focus...makes you stronger."  23:50, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

Ah? Why though? I evacuated everyone.

<span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#080808 45%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#ffffff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color=maroon face="Helvetica">"I can feel your anger.   <font color="#ff0000" face="Helvetica" title="Blog"> It gives you focus...makes you stronger."  23:56, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

Oh. Right. Of course.

<span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#080808 45%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#ffffff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color=maroon face="Helvetica">"I can feel your anger.   <font color="#ff0000" face="Helvetica" title="Blog"> It gives you focus...makes you stronger."  00:16, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

Dude, the page is done btw. Here is the link:http://mapgame.wikia.com/wiki/Solar_Wars_%28Map_Game%29 Ratc3333 Here, Prepare for Combat (talk) 16:56, October 5, 2013 (UTC)

Dude I need you in chatroom, please.Ratc3333 Here, Prepare for Combat (talk) 01:06, October 6, 2013 (UTC)

Dude, you want to join Solar Wars now or not?Ratc3333 Here, Prepare for Combat (talk) 21:42, October 6, 2013 (UTC)

Maximum Systema
I was wondering if I could go ahead and work on the human aspect of MS. I've been kind of bored recently.

<span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#080808 45%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#ffffff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color=maroon face="Helvetica">"I can feel your anger.   <font color="#ff0000" face="Helvetica" title="Blog"> It gives you focus...makes you stronger."  00:20, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

OK. Let's give the Kerguelen civilization some crazy name like Jewjiosdokl.

As for world domination, I keep imagining a three way Cold War something like this: Also, I wrote this weird part in Deimos where I said that Deimos and Phobos would crash into each other and create years sometime in the near (millions of years) future. Want to speed that up into decades?
 * America analog + Russia
 * Someone in Asia
 * Someone in South America

<span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#080808 45%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#ffffff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color=maroon face="Helvetica">"I can feel your anger.   <font color="#ff0000" face="Helvetica" title="Blog"> It gives you focus...makes you stronger."  00:52, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

How about an Aztec-Incan-Mayan fusion empire that dominates Southern and Central America as one of the three powers? Versus a Korea that controls Northern China and Japan, versus America and Russia! Ultimate world showdown!

<span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#080808 45%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#ffffff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color=maroon face="Helvetica">"I can feel your anger.   <font color="#ff0000" face="Helvetica" title="Blog"> It gives you focus...makes you stronger."  01:24, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

I tend to start in the Modern Era and work my way back. It's easier to write something when you know how it's supposed to end. I find it hard to go past to present.

<span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#080808 45%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#ffffff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color=maroon face="Helvetica">"I can feel your anger.   <font color="#ff0000" face="Helvetica" title="Blog"> It gives you focus...makes you stronger."  01:33, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

lol sorry. I tried to leave everything as vague as possible. Anyways, I did some research and I can safely say that my following statements are true: Also, just one little thing I've been thinking about. The Indian subcontinent could become its own continent, just a bit south of Asia, but far enough to be called a separate continent. Can you imagine a world without Everest?
 * 1) Two moons would most likely mean that the smaller one (in our case, Aurora), would probably be some sort of captured asteroid. If not, Earth would have a ring system.
 * 2) *And I find Earth with a ring system to be fascinating.
 * 3) Two moons would also mean a slightly greater tilt of the Earth's rotational axis. Roughly to about 24 degrees.
 * 4) *This would make most major deserts of the world (Sahara, Australian outback, etc etc) into lands full of life and plants and stuff. This could drastically alter human development in these regions, and the world's population could inflate to eight and half or so billion people.

<span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#080808 45%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#ffffff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color=maroon face="Helvetica">"I can feel your anger.   <font color="#ff0000" face="Helvetica" title="Blog"> It gives you focus...makes you stronger."  22:26, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

OK MP, I know you weren't all too fond of my new map, so I went I did more research. Turns out there are these whole submerged tectonic plates that collided with real plates like the North American and Antartican Cratons. I know you liked the prospect of extra land, so I started drafting another map. This one has the Pacific American coast extended a few miles out, and yes, the OTL Bay Area will still be something of an earthquake hell. I also expanded Terra Australis (Antartica ATL) as well as Asia, in the place where India is missing. Turns out there was this whole craton attached to Asia that got squeezed between India and China (diagram right). I just took this craton and flattened it out. I imagine that it would have a climate similar to that of Turkestan, given that the Himalayas OTL give vastly differing climates on each side.

Also, here are some other random ideas. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#080808 45%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#ffffff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color=maroon face="Helvetica">"I can feel your anger.   <font color="#ff0000" face="Helvetica" title="Blog"> It gives you focus...makes you stronger."  01:08, October 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) What do you think of a Pacific continent, or a Greenland-esque massive island in the Pacific? It's a huge ocean and it's relatively empty.
 * 2) You know how the Red Sea is open in the south and closed (if we ignore the Suez Canal) at the north? What if we reverse this so that Yemen and Djibouti meet up until a canal is dug there, while Sinai is an island at the mouth of the Red Sea?
 * 3) I proposed this in chat, but I don't recall your answer. Closing Gibraltar? Yay? Nay?

OK, let's leave Gibraltar and the Red Sea alone for now.

I'm open to Mu, but does it really have to be called Mu? You have any other names in mind?

Sorry about all this massive changing, I'm just fascinated by the concepts.

<span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#080808 45%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#ffffff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color=maroon face="Helvetica">"I can feel your anger.   <font color="#ff0000" face="Helvetica" title="Blog"> It gives you focus...makes you stronger."  01:17, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

Hey folks, I don't want to be left out lol. Did you guys see my idea of moving Antartica into the middle of the Pacific? We don't an exactly similar world because difference is cool. However, we need to work out what the new spread of land would mean for trading and growth of civilisation. Less land could mean quicker development of technologies. More land could mean more people and options available for trading. You see, it is a paradox in the sense of the word.

I would like to see almost no land used up on the poles where humans cannot live, you know? We get less options to play around with. It would be really cool to see colonial era nations coming onto Antartica (or Pacifica) to discover thriving civilisations. What would that mean for thw world, you know? Things like this! :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 13:10, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

What think you of this map?



<span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#080808 45%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#ffffff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color=maroon face="Helvetica">"I can feel your anger.   <font color="#ff0000" face="Helvetica" title="Blog"> It gives you focus...makes you stronger."  16:45, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

Your map is a little too...OTL for my liking. Sorry, I just want to toy around with it a bit.

<span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#080808 45%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#ffffff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color=maroon face="Helvetica">"I can feel your anger.   <font color="#ff0000" face="Helvetica" title="Blog"> It gives you focus...makes you stronger."  23:09, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

Viva La Revolution
I don't know if you were a fan of the Viva La Revolution map games but as you played as the USA in AP's version i thought you may be interested on this. Interested? If you are feel free to join as any nation. Perhaps you can Make of america world power.Sine dei gloriem (talk) 15:33, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

TSPTF Nomination
I technically asked you on chat, but I have to ask you on your talk page. I would like to nominate you for the TSPTF. If you would like to become a constable, please reply. CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 01:55, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Invitation
You are invited to a game on the wiki, Alternate Nations 2, where you make nations turn-by-turn, until you fill up the map. Then we will pick a new map. It is a great casual thing/time waster to do on the wiki. Thanks,   Yawgmoth, Lord of the Wastes

I Have It!
Monster, I have figured out how to make it work for your signature! Instead of putting span, we need to use font. Here is how it will work:

<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave   but you are welcome in it.

I have made it work for my own signature, and for the one time only, you will see what my sig looks like with the coding you desire - in working order! So have fun. XD

<font color="#AACC99">Imp ( Say Hi?! ) 14:45, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

I have made the working order sig in your SigReal page. You can copy that coding and insert it right into your preferences. It will work nicely! :D

(Back to old Sig) Imp (Say Hi?!) 14:51, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

Hahahahaha. No problem! :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:05, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

"Plagiarizing"
It is not against the wiki rules to copy content, even in large amounts, from wikipedia. Lordganon (talk) 07:31, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

Only counts if it's someone else's work. Wikipedia and similar things really doesn't count. Lordganon (talk) 15:12, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

No worries. Lordganon (talk) 06:01, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

MS System Map
Hi, MP. I just drew up a rough approximation of the Solar System in Maximum Systema. Distances and size are not to scale, but they're more of a relative thing.



So, feel free to leave your thoughts on my talk page.

04:00, October 28, 2013 (UTC)

OK, I'll try to do 1 and 2.

That's Planet X crossing Pluto's orbit. It can always be changed/removed.

01:52, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

The.... 'Evil Ones'?

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig <font color="#000000">(Dammit, Guns!)

That conceitedness (of myself).

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig <font color="#000000">(Dammit, Guns!)   22:05, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations, you are now a Constable in the TSPTF. This allows you to showcase the TSPTF membership badge on your user page. Furthermore it gives you the rollback power on this wiki. In the History page of an article you will notice a new option called "rollback". This is an anti-vandalism tool. It allows you to quickly undo edits in case someone has made more than one edit to a page. By clicking rollback it will immediately revert the article to a time before the offending editor edited the page. This is your most important duty. By agreeing to be a constable, you are promising to do your best to patrol for vandals and trolls.

When you get the chance, please go to the TSPTF page, and sign up for some responsibilities. In reality, none of us have the time to devote to all of the duties that are expected of an administrator of the wiki. You are expected, however, to sign up for at least three responsibilities listed in that section. These are duties that you are agreeing to carry out to the best of your ability every time you are on this wiki. I'm hoping that by doing this the members of the TSPTF can efficiently share the work load of the wiki and gives us time for the real reason we are here. Since you are only a constable and do not have the power to delete or block, do not feel obligated to sign up for any duties you do not have the powers to do. Please inform and respect those in a position to do so if you see a problem that involves a need for either of those things.

Again, congratulations on being elected to the TSPTF and good luck.

Lordganon (talk) 10:51, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

HRE ASB
Esteemed contributor to the Yellowstone TL, I object to the HRE on a number of counts of ASBness.

Please, consider my arguments made here. The entire idea of a united Russia in this TL at the time when it happens is ASB, and I hope you join me in striking it down as obsolete by signing the petition.

Thank You, <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#700000 45%,#700000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#FFFF99), to(#FFFF99)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#0000CC" face="Helvetica">Hasta la vista,   <font color="#CC0000" face="Helvetica" title="Contributions">baby.  08:12, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Yellowstone 1936
Hey MP. I would just like you to know that the Roman Empire and the HRE will be in a personal union - considering the Emperor considers Constantinople a Holy City and all. :)  Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:40, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Is it alright if I take all of the greeks and bring them to Libya? If so then I would be taken over the counrty ok.  Imperium Guy me to talk to you about this.  ShadowKnights1234

Well, I am not sure if that would make as much sense to be honest. The HRE Emperor could actually justify his claim because he was the "liberator" of "Rome".

And I will begin work on that map of the Britannia. :)  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:07, November 16, 2013 (UTC) Ok. And could you make the other Greece Fascist? Plus, the type of Christianity is Orthodox is it now? :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:29, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand what you mean when you said that greece will be split, but you siad that  the Roman Empire state based on Constantinople in the north and the Kingdom of Greece based on Athens in the south. I never controled Constantinople at all. So, will Greece stay the same like in OTL. I am confused, where is it splitting.  ShadowKnights1234

I was thinking perhaps a mix called Roman Orthodox could come around which is basically a mix? People would be forced to accept it as the main religion because it would be implemented in the schools and stuff. It would pretty much become the state religion of the Russian Forum - apart from the Soviet states. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:37, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * So, you are telling me that I own everything that is blue on the Romen empire map. Since the Romen empire page is not finished can I adopt this page and start writing some stuff on it. If you allowe me to adopt the page I would then delet the Greece page since it is apart of the romen empire. If I am allowed to adopt the page I would change the name to the either Greece and Turkey or the Greek Empire. ShadowKnights1234

Austria offers you an alliance in Axis vs Allies. DS|The Rainbow Machete 20:30, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, unban me please. You saw that I ended the convo about racism. 00:18, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

My parents made me ask to be chat blocked, could you possibly maybe unchat block me please? Mafia CBA doing his signature. Don't judge Him. This Sig is inspired by Guns. 20:57, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

OK, here's what you do. Go to 'Contributions', then Chat Ban Log. The Ban, Crim's one, should have something in brackets saying "Change Ban". Click that, and then 'change ban'. That is it.

Second Sino-Japnese war
im starting my move against china ive launched the beginning allready all thats left is invasion and algo next turn could you help me with the algo, was never really good with that. Nkbeeching (talk) 22:25, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

Sci-Fi Empire Fact Sheet Info
I know I'm probably bothering you, but I'm working on something, and was quite interested in getting some info from you regarding what name of empire you create if you could. I've set up a little list for you that I'd like for you to fill out if you had the time.


 * Empire name: <Official name and common name> <Separate names with "/">
 * Founding year: <2180-2270>
 * Capital (City, World):
 * Nation symbol: <Example: A silver sword, blade upturned, against a golden sunburst on a red disc.>
 * Total (Inhabited) Systems: <100-450>
 * Estimated population: <100 billion-1 trillion>
 * Government:
 * Current leader: <Title> <Name>
 * Currency:
 * Military name:
 * Military size:
 * Official language(s):
 * Other language(s):
 * Preferred empire color:
 * How is the leader chosen?:
 * How unified is the country?:
 * How tolerant are the people?:
 * What kind of economy is there?:
 * How does the army work?:
 * What's the literacy level?:
 * What's the overall technology?: <Low-tech or high-tech>
 * What do the people worship or invoke?: <Leave blank if none>
 * What's the most admired class?:
 * What's the lowest class?:
 * How are women treated?:
 * What is the attitude toward sex?:
 * What's the most pressing social/political problem?:

Thank you for your cooperation. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 03:48, December 14, 2013 (UTC)

German Navy
In OTL there were over 1,250 U-boats during World War 2, so it might not be best to list them all. Mscoree (talk) 23:27, December 14, 2013 (UTC)

basic concept of my new algo
will have it finished after the holidays. Nkbeeching (talk) 00:54, December 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * really dont like leavinga person in charge of war resolving by choice
 * but a mod would conrtrol this
 * this is the first idea i will work it out this week and once i jhave the map game ready will post it there
 * the first part would be trench warfare
 * based on how many turns you built up your defences alonga certain line you get a scale of 1 to 5 bonus, from there yo take into acount a number for troops morale, supplies, and allies fighting along ide you
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:05 Local Mafia Boss But what about Blitzkrieg?
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:05 Nkbeeching numbers will count less on a singular battle algo due to it being trench warfare, however on a larger scale each battle will take its toll and if you cant reinforce the lines at a certain point you will be forced to withdraw
 * that comes with the development of tanks
 * once tank tech is developed the trench warfare algo will become obsolete and a new algo will take its place
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:06 Local Mafia Boss But they had Tanks on the Somme
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:06 Nkbeeching this way we dont have small countries collapsing at once at the start of wars in the first world war if they are prepared until they cant fight anymore
 * its just to try this out i know there are partiularities in history
 * tanks will be allowed in 1916 and onwards once you have large production of tanks you will be able to cancel the trench bonus and the number and tanks bonus will prove an adcantage
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:08 Monster Pumpkin alright
 * I should go
 * later
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:08 Nkbeeching alright
 * you like what you read mp?
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:09 Monster Pumpkin about what
 * Mscoree has joined the chat.
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:09 Nkbeeching my idea for a new type of algo system forr my map game
 * hey ms
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:09 Mscoree Hello
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:09 Monster Pumpkin oh
 * so far
 * Ms
 * can you help me with Germany's navy again
 * if possible
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:09 Mscoree MP it's interesting that you'd name a ship after a famous aircraft pilot
 * usually ships are (if named after people) named after admirals or people involved in maritime stuff
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:10 Nkbeeching its to try and balance things out and favor certain sides in different periodds of war fare
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:10 Monster Pumpkin well
 * it is an aircraft carrier
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:10 Nkbeeching terrain would also form a part of the algo
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:10 Monster Pumpkin so I based it off of that
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:10 Mscoree Okay that's true
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:10 Monster Pumpkin and I don't think Zepplin was an admiral
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:10 Nkbeeching can you give me your opinion ms?
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:11 Monster Pumpkin alright
 * Ms
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:11 Mscoree @NK Sure on what
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:11 Monster Pumpkin if you can help with the U-boats, that would be freat
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:11 Mscoree Okay
 * I'll take a look
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:11 Monster Pumpkin but if not, that is fine
 * but I should go
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:11 Nkbeeching also up joining a maap game ill be starting in afteri go to canada
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:11 Monster Pumpkin later everyone
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:11 Mscoree Bye
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:11 Nkbeeching read up top
 * see ya mp
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:12 Mscoree About terrain in algorithms?
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:12 Nkbeeching a bit further top
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:12 Mscoree the thing about tanks and trenches?
 * Monster Pumpkin has left the chat.
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:13 Nkbeeching i want to try and experiment with a new type of algo were industry and population have a greater importane on war effort or grand scale
 * whle a sort of mini algo takes care of individua battles
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:13 Mscoree wait, there were 1,250 U-boats in WW2 lol
 * I hope MP doesnt want me to list them
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:13 Nkbeeching yes that the one
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:13 Mscoree That's an interesting idea
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:13 Nkbeeching im still fleshing it out
 * Daeseunglim has joined the chat.
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:14 Nkbeeching will have something ready for next week when i start the map gamr
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:14 Mscoree What would the master algorithm determine if the mini one is for battles?
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:14 Daeseunglim Ms: sry bout confusing u!!!
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:14 Nkbeeching chance and do the calculations
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:14 Mscoree but if you win the main algorithm what happens?
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:14 Daeseunglim With my pg in DD-1983
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:15 Mscoree @Dae no problem it's fine. When I first say it I thought you had renamed my page lol
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:15 Nkbeeching well for instance if the grand scale algo which would be based on populace morale, how much population you have and your industrial level
 * it would determine how long you can fight out a wwar before collapsing
 * Daeseunglim has left the chat.
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:16 Mscoree @Nk what I mean is, it doesn't make sense to have a main algorithm that determines if you win the war, then have mini algorithms for battles. Someone could win the main algo then lose every battle
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:16 Nkbeeching if you are able to win sufficient mini algos you may earn a victory before you are out of time
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:16 Mscoree Oh I see
 * Nice
 * So the main algorithm just sets the clock
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:16 Nkbeeching ao
 * something like that
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:16 Mscoree and you have to win enough mini ones before time runs out
 * I like it
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:16 Nkbeeching yeah
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:16 Mscoree Although, wouldn't some circumstances speed up clock?
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:16 Nkbeeching each victory you get modifies your own war effort algo result
 * yes
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:17 Mscoree Like if the enemy starts occupying/destroying your industry I'd imagine time ticks a bit faster
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:17 Nkbeeching well if you lose parts of youee land that are heavily industrilaized
 * you lose that from your score and a new time is set
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:18 Mscoree Sounds like a cool idea
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:18 Nkbeeching alls if your population is dying alot and you cant replace front line troops you lose score as well
 * i know
 * i hope it works
 * morale of populace is also important component to grand strategy algo
 * if your population is tired and unwilling to fight revolution
 * or you are fored to sue for peace
 * basicly its to balance things out
 * and give some countries a fighting chance
 * it also allows for allies to backstab one another and gain a major advantage early on in a war
 * for instance if a neighbor overuns an unprepared fromtier they will push up to a certain point before a defensive line is set up
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:20 Mscoree Yeah that solves the problem of the Vietnam War in a map game. In any map game right now if the US made an algorithm against North Vietnam they would win by many points, but yet in OTL they lost the war.
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:20 Nkbeeching basicly same as otl
 * yup
 * also for instance austria invading serbia
 * etc
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:20 Local Mafia Boss That is pretty cool
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:21 Nkbeeching but like i said it would be complicated and i need to see how to incoperate it
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:21 Local Mafia Boss So if, say, Britain invaded France, or visa versa, they would not hold it long?
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:21 Nkbeeching well it depends
 * im only started on land warfare
 * havent began naval and amphibious algos
 * but yeah basicly
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:22 Local Mafia Boss As in, you can't invade slowly bit by bit to remove the Recent wars section?
 * Because the timer would run out
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:22 Nkbeeching well recent wars would affct populatin morale
 * if they win it will be high if they lost or suffered large casualties it will be mild to low
 * and if you have alarge advantage the war will end quickly
 * if you dont have an advantage due to defensivve bonuses
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:23 Local Mafia Boss You should have Guerrilla war
 * And it lasting longer depending on factors
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:24 Nkbeeching you could either be drawn into a long bloody war or a defensive counter attack
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:24 Local Mafia Boss Like... Wars between the nations
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:24 Nkbeeching i know i will work on tht l ater
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:24 Local Mafia Boss So if Britain annexed France, they would be unable to hold it very long
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:24 Nkbeeching guerilla will most likely be based on a simple equation
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:25 Local Mafia Boss As guerilla would be ongoing
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:25 Nkbeeching how many troops the occupiers have availblr in the region and a random number
 * all of it no
 * but a part for sure if they hold it down with enough troops
 * but that would al
 * add to war timer in a negative way if your at war
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:26 Local Mafia Boss Hang on
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:26 Nkbeeching ok
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:26 Local Mafia Boss I have an idea
 * Say Britain annexes France
 * And then tries to invade Germany
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:27 Nkbeeching they wwould become overstretched in that case
 * and they would not be able to reinforce their lines
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:27 Local Mafia Boss They should get a negative points thing for the timer because they are fighting from a region they do not properly control
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:27 Nkbeeching if they fail to initially win then they will slowly be pushed back
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:27 Local Mafia Boss Like the Germans against the Russians
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:27 Nkbeeching yes thats part of it
 * but for instace if you occupy a region that is oppressed by the enemy then you will be supported by them instead of resisted
 * atleast as long as they support you
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:29 Local Mafia Boss Yea
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:29 Nkbeeching forinstance if the americans hold onto a liberated france that has been ravaged by germany they will initially be recieved as liberators
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:29 Local Mafia Boss But when Germany is defeated
 * France would expect the USA to withdraw
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:29 Nkbeeching it could hhappen earlier
 * if the americans treat french like crap the french could revolt
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:30 Local Mafia Boss Well, yeah
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:30 Nkbeeching amking it harder fr the americans to fight and giving germans a chance to retake lost land
 * like i said you can either have a swft victory or grueling slug fest
 * and if you get involvved in costly war you wont be able to fight another war for a few years
 * Survivor321 has joined the chat.
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:31 Nkbeeching not without collapsing
 * hey survivor
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:31 Survivor321 Ello
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:31 Mscoree Hello
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:32 Nkbeeching so what does everyone think?
 * Bfoxius has joined the chat.
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:32 Mscoree Hi Bfox
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:32 Nkbeeching bf hey
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:32 Mscoree I think it's a very good idea
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:32 Bfoxius Hello everyone
 * Any updates on YS?
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:33 Local Mafia Boss I think it is a good idea
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:33 Nkbeeching each war period will have a different mini algo
 * with the only thing remaining the same being manpower and terrain
 * other aspects would become idfferent

Chile in AvA
So Fed have pretty much on que challenged my mod event over Chile withdrawing from the Andean Concert as well as wishing to move towards people of more equal economic status. I would like a little help considering ive made my arguements and Chile and Peru had crappy relations up until the 2000's and hes done jack to fix it but hes kind of refusing to hear it out and is counter arguing. The Unchallenged Conqueror #FP (Talk to Me)

May I be unblocked from chat now?--Ismael777