States of America: Northern Defeat (Map Game)

Hello, and welcome to States of America: Northern Defeat!

POD
In this Map Game, the USA made more early gains in Canada, worrying the UK, as they wanted to keep some of their North American colonies, so they committed a larger force, utterly crushing the USA at several Battles, the most notable being the Battle of Niagara. After the USA was driven from Canada, vengeful British Commanders continued down through the USA, burning many cities to the ground. When Washington was burnt down, the USA was destroyed. The Northern States, frustrated with the failure of the US government to defend them, declared independence, and the Southern States declared independence to give them the power to control their own laws. As casualties mounted, the British halted their expansion and withdrew from all but the Ohio Country and parts of Maine, which were annexed.

However, your probably wondering how this all happened with the British ahving the available forces, At the Battle of Leipzig in Saxony (16–19 October 1813), also called the "Battle of the Nations", 191,000 French fought more than 300,000 Coalition forces, and in OTL the French won, but in this TL the French were routed after Napoleon was killed by enemy soldiers, allowing the British to end the Napoleonic Wars by the end of 1813 and send a large amount of troops to fight the Americans, allowing the this TL's ending to the War of 1812.

Rules
The Game starts in 1816.

Turns are in years

Game will start with just the former American states

After 3 turns, the game will expand to include all of North America

Every day at 5 PM Eastern Standard Time a new turn will start, and anyone may post the new turn.

Dean still can't play Mafia (talk)

Moderators

 * Co-Head Mod (not playing): DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It
 * Co-head Mod (playing) Local (talk)

Changes Needed
1817: New Spain advanced ~100 miles north into OTL oregon territory

Ok will fix it

North America

 * Carolina: Octiman10 03:22, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * American Federation: Daeseunglim (talk) 03:15, July 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Confederate Republics of America:Reximus55 (talk)
 * Republic of Mississippi: Reximus55 (talk)
 * Republic of Alabama: Reximus55 (talk)
 * Republic of Tennessee: Reximus55 (talk)
 * Republic of Virginia: Reximus55 (talk)
 * Republic of Kentucky: Reximus55 (talk)
 * State of Missouri: Reximus55 (talk)
 * State of Arkansas: Reximus55 (talk)
 * American Union:Yay an Edit conflict (talk) 21:57, July 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Federated States of America: Centurion (talk) 06:16, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Nuevo Espana: G greg e (talk) 06:46, July 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Quebec: Willster22 (User talk:Willster22)

South America and Carribean

 * Brazil (Portugese Colony):Likenhaufen (talk) 19:31, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Gran Colombia:
 * Carribean Confederation:

Europe

 * Great Britain:  Mafia (talk)
 * France: canada2hy.jpg Hypothetical Alberta Blue Ensign.svg OreoToast555(Talk)(Sandbox) 20:44, July 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Prussia: Feudalplague (talk) 20:20, July 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hannover:
 * Bavaria:
 * Sweden-Norway:
 * North Italy: --
 * Naples:
 * Spain:
 * Portugal:
 * Austrian Empire:
 * Russian Empire: The Doctor is in... 20:28, July 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Netherlands:
 * Switzerland:
 * Denmark:

1816
 The states of Maryland and Deleware unite to form the Republic of Chesepeake. 

 Massachusets, Rhode Island, and Connecticut sign the Treaty of Boston, forming a defensive pact between the three nations. 

 What remains of Maine breaks away from Massachusets, and aligns with New Hampshire and Vermont in able to defend itself. 

 Britain unites Nova Scotia with its gains in Maine. 

Virginia: Works on developing the military.

New York: military, infrastructure, and economy are improved.

Pensyllvania: Military develops, a pro british political party begins to rise in power. New Jersey is asked to unite.


 * New Jeresy Dip: 1-5 yes, 6-10 no: 5, Yes. New Jeresy accepts Pensylvanias offer.

North Carolina: Develops infrastructure. Repairs are made to any damages caused by the war. The economy is repairing. The Governor is declared the President until a constitution can be drafted and election rules made. He reforms the militias into a standing army. Numerous shipyards are built to develop a navy and a trade fleet. South Carolina is asked to unite.
 * Georgia Diplomacy: If South Carolina refuses, we offer to aid in an invasion in exchange for splitting it 35% Georgia, 65% Norh Carolina. We offer an alliance.
 * North Carolina Diplomacy: The President agrees to Gerogia's offer and accepts their alliance offer.
 * South Carolina Diplomacy: 1-5 Unite, 6-10 independant (RNG Please)

Georgia: Governor is declared president temporarily until an emergency election can be held. Begins to repair infrastructure and raises a small navy. Forts are built off the coast to defend shipping.

Mississippi: The Democratic Republic of Mississippi works on a Declaration of Confederation, in which it invites Louisianna, Tennessee and Kentucky as the Confederate Republics of Southern America. Emphasis is placed upon sovereignty of each individual state, and the ability to allow free-trade btween nation-states of the Confederacy. The military is improved, and Colonel Andrew Jackson is elected President of the Democratic Republic.
 * Mississipian Diplomacy: We propose an alliance with Virginia.
 * Mississipian Diplomacy: We ask to buy all of the land south of Mississippi from Spain for $7,500,000. (Louisianna Purchase OTL was $15,000,000, so it a generous offer)
 * If 1-10, one state accepts. If 10-20, two states accept. If 20-30 all states accept. (RNG please)
 * Lousiana was already American. Currently within its lands new nations are forming, but you can expand into it without causing war.
 * RNGs for the states: 1-6 Yes, 7-10 No: Kentucky 8, NO.  Tennessee, 6, YES. 
 * I'm playing as Louisiana. What is the name of the nation north of the OTL state?
 * Louisiana Territory

​1817
Kentucky unites with Virginia.

Indianna unites with Ohio.

Chesepeake unites with Pennsylvania, reorganizg it into the Federated States of America.

Massachusets unites with its alllies Connecticut and Rhode Island.

FSA: Continues development, a pro-british poltical party continues to rise in power and popularity.

North Carolina: North Carolina continues development of the new nation. Roads are built to connect the country. A series of forts are started to be contructed around the borders. North Carolina offers to export cotton to any nation that wants to buy or trade. A constiution similar to the fomer United States is drafted. The current president will stay in office until elections, next year. The military is built up and several ships are in the process of being built. South Carolina is asked again if they will united with the north. '''RNG please. '''
 * Georiga Diplomacy: We ask North Carolina to aid us in liberating our territory of Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee and Kentucky. If you agree, we will give you Tennessee and Kentucky.
 * North Carolina Diplomacy: We regret that at this time the we are not ready to go to war yet and need to consolidate our nation first.

RNG By Dean: 1-7 Yes, 8-10 No. 2. YES
 * South Carolina Diplomacy: South Carolina accepts North Carolina's offer to Unite into one nation.
 * Just so you know, those territories your going to invade have been annexed by other players, so it would mean a full scale algorithm for the war. Once the game reaches North America then Florida will be up for sale.
 * Virginian Diplomacy: You want to give someone Kentucky? You have to take it off us. COME AT ME!

Ohio: The population overthrow the final remnants of the British Army and the Royal Navy as they unite with Indianna. The State Army is seen to be wearing blue versions of the uniform worn by the British Redcoats. They are also seen to be carrying British Army equipment and weapons, stolen during the British retreat from Ohio. Work begins on fortifications along the borders, which match to stolen British designs. Royal Navy cannon are seen in the former British strongholds throughout the state, still in working order and manned by Ohio gun crews.

You can't just give yourselves a load of weapons and designs Mafia (talk)

Georgia: A fort is constructed off the coast of Savannah for protection from the British and pirates. 5 sloops are built, and armed with 10 8 inch falconet cannons, and 12- 20 inch field guns. The Capitol is moved to the city of Athens temporarily. Construction begins on a new Capital named Atlanta. A census is taken with a population of 6.9 million people. The military has 78,000 men in the militia, many operating in small towns.

5.2 million is about right, remember its 1817, not 2013

A site I looked on said the popuation of Georgia in 1790 was 6.9 million.

ok i trust you, ill make it 6.9

Canada:  forces from the empire help expand ibto the uncliamed land west of canada.

'''You control the Canadian troops you can raise, not the British Empire troops, they will be neutral except to defend you if you are attacked. They will also go under the British Empire's command when the whole world is opened up to players'''

'''And you only get Ontario, the western areas are too loose and not enoguh ppl for a player, those will be British direct ruled. Your still quite large though DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It'''

New Spain: The governate of New Spain begins mobalizing and training massive amounts of military forces. Asks the governates of Cuba and New Granada to meet with him secretly, to discuss a few things. Inspired by the American Revolutionary War, they secretly discuss independence from Spain. New Spain asks for the alliengence should such a event occur. Exansion northward ~100 miles into OTL Oregon territory occurs.


 * RNG 1-6 YES, 7-10 NO: New Granada, 3, YES, Cuba, 6, YES


 * New Granada and Cuba agree.


 * Georgia Diplomacy: We would support New Spain seceding from the Spanish Empire, and will provide your military with arms. We ask eventually though to purchase OTL Florida for $10.5 million.
 * North Carolina: We also will support new Spain. We Propose an offer to Georgia, splitting the price for Florida 50/50 for half of Florida.
 * Georgia Diplomacy: We politely decline, but offer to allow you to construct a base in the Keys region.
 * North Carolina: North Carolina will accept this counter-offer.

Mississippi: With the addition of Tenessee, we rename the nation The Confederate Republics of America (CRA). The Declaration of Confederation is accepted, and finalized by both Mississippi and Tennessee. The "states" will be called Republics, a throwback to the time when each state was independent and sovereign. Mississippi decides to create another Republic, the Republic of Alabama (OTL Alabama). The military is improved, as President Andrew Jackson decides to expand into the Louisianna Territory. 2 new regions are declared, the State of Arkansas, and the State of Missouri. (States are like Territories OTL, Republics are like States.) New York: Unites with Vermont, and takes the name Union of America(UA), and later New Hampshire joins. Offers the FSA and the CRA an alliance. begins to work on making the millitary well better armed, and to create a helthy economic sphere.
 * Mississipian Diplomacy: We propose an alliance with Virginia.
 * Virginia: Yes
 * Mississipian Diplomacy: We ask to buy all of the land south of Mississippi/Alabama from Spain for $7,500,000. (Louisianna Purchase OTL was $15,000,000, so it a generous offer)
 * Spain: No
 * Mississippian Diplomacy: We offer to Virginia nad Kentucky to join the CRA as the Republic of Virginia and the Republic of Kentucky.
 * Virginia: Yes
 * Georgia Diplomacy: We apologize for our threats, there was a misunderstanding in our government. We offer an alliance to your nation.
 * Georgia: Asks for an alliance with the UA.
 * UA: accepts

1818
' The Republic of Louisiana sends an envoy to the CRA, aksing for an allaince and trade deal. '

' The Confederation of Oklahoma is formed in the former Louisiana Territroy, with its population being mostly Native American. however due to trading with the British, it is armed with modern weaponsry and currently building its own infrastrucure. '

' Maine joins the American Union. '


 * The Confederate Republics of America: President Andrew Jackson welcomes the Republics of Virginia and Kentucky into the CRA, and he orders the expansion of the States of Arkansas and Missouri. Enraged by the deaths of some settlers in the expansion, he takes the lead of the military and begins a minor war on the Indians of the Louisianna Territory. Following a grand victory, the States of Arkansas and Missouri grow even more! Slavery and plantations help the economy. We ask to buy parts of the Floridian panhandle for $7.5 million.
 * North Carolina: After the unification of the Carolina's. Congress decides to change the name of the nation to The Carolinian Republic. Representatives from the the former South Carolina lands are admitted as members of congress. Elections are held and John Branch of Halifax is elected President with John Geddes of Charleston as his Vice President. Forts are built on the borders of South Carolina and roads are built as well to connect it with the North. The military is soldified into three parts: A standing army, local militias for national defense and a standing Navy.
 * Georgia: The government again offers to purchase Florida for 15 million dollars . More forts are constructed to defend the borders.
 * Im sorry, but none of you guys has that kind of money, you giys just collapsed, the only one who really could purchase anything right now is, well no one. Wait til 1820 then start buying.
 * I can Mafia (talk)
 * ​FSA: Continues to become pro-british, development continues.
 * New England: 2 thousand soldiers are drafted from different states. Slavery is abolished, and a president is to be elected by 1820.
 * AU: Three thousand men are drafed. Guns continue to be produced, and work begins on a navy. econimic relations continue to be open.
 * 'British Colonial Administration We move troops to the border with the former USA.

1819
' Spanish forces arrive in New Spain, and they begin trying to take control of the colony, leading to some resistance and bitter fighting. Eventualy resulting in the Alamao Massacre, in which a small Mexican militia is slaughtered by a much larger Spanish force. '

' The people of New Enlgand and the American Union begin cries for greater unity. '

' With greater problems in Louisiana due to fear of the new nation of Oklahoma, Louisiana votes to unite with Georgia, seeingt he CRA as too big to suit Louisianas interests. '

' Georgia's crop yeilds are very large this year, giving them a large surplus to sell, most of it being cotton and tobacco. '

' The Cottin Gin is invented in the Carolinas, increasing cotton output tenfold. '


 * Carolinian Republic: The economy explodes with the invention of the cotton gin. The government keeps a wrap on it's design. The nation soon becomes a leading exporter of cotton. The military is expanded and equipped with upgraded weapondry. The governement condemns Spain's actions in Mexico and their colonies. They call for negotiations between Spain and New Spain for an end to hostiliies.
 * FSA: Troops are placed along the border for defensive tactics only, Buildup continues.
 * New Spain: Forces are rasied from all corners of the country, named the Nuevo Pueri, in order to fight off Spain. They ask New Granada and Cuba for troops, and Cuba to join them in there fight for independence as a member of New Spain. No Land Will be Sold at this time, as we are fighting for independence. 
 * Georgia Diplomacy: We are not taking over Florida, we are removing the Spanish. We also send u 10,000 muskets and 12 cannons.

''Argentina is the Provinces of Rio de Plata, thus you cannot expaned their. G greg e (talk)''
 * ​Following upon there previous agreement, New Granada declares independance as Gran Colombia, and we offer New Spain an allaince. Cuba revolts and forms the Carribean Confederation, also allying with New Spain.
 * Brazil: Expands south into unclaimed Argentina(or is it part of France or something?). Asks for Portugal to send troops and a military advisor to improve the colonial military.
 * Mod: Portugal sends troops and a military advisor to improve your colonial military

Thanks for clearing that up.
 * Georgia: We send 10,000 muskets and 12 cannons to the rebels in New Spain. With Louisiana joining Georgia, there is a vote to name the nation American Federation. A 5,000 man militia with 100 cavalrymen, and 8 cannons attack the Spanish in Florida.
 * The Confederate Republics of America: President Andrew Jackson, in the last year of his first term, begins to see if Lousianna would be more willing to join the CRA. We show our more extensive trade relations, and alliance network. We also begin settling Oklahoma, and the Indians welcome us since we provide them much desired tobaco and cotton. We talk of vassalization. Arkansas and Missouri grow even more. Slavery and plantations help the economy. We help the New Spaniards.
 * The CRA seeks an alliance with: France, UK, Gran Colombia

1820
' WE'RE GOING GLOBAL!!!!!!! '

 The Prussians sign an alliance with Hannover 

 The Ottomans sign an allaince with Persia 

' Tobacco and Cotton sales more than double with the discovery of new markets in Africa, giving the CRA, Georgia, and Louisiana a large surplus of income. '

' The Zulu tribes organize themsleves into the Zulu Empire, and Zulu patriotism is at its peak. '

Spain begins fighting with the rebels in Nuevo Espana feircly, but slowly is forced from OTL United States and south of the Rio Grande. Spanish forces also attack Gran Colombia, taking some coastal towns but unable to control the interior.

New England finally complies with its peoples wishes and joins the American Union.

Prussia: Following the alliance with Hannover we begin to influence their populace to come into Union to form a Greater Germany, We also begin to influence Bavaria and ask for trade with them in order to begin the formation of a Greater German economy. We also increase our military size to 500,000 active troops with another 1,000,000 in reserve to be called up in case of a major war. We begin the construction of a fleet to sail and establish a possible colony in the Indonesian islands.

FSA: We unite with the Federation of Ohio.

France: Development is given a large boost and people begin to enlist in the french armed forces.

British Empire: Troops move into Zululand, and we invade Florida, (Does this game have an algorithm?). We commission several more ships-of-the-line. We offer an alliance with Prussia. British Privateers prey on American shipping. The Slave Trade abolishment movement grows in strength. We colonize the rest of OTL Canada, and give the country that has claimed some of it 1 year to evacuate, or we will invade that section.


 * Prussia D: We accept alliance and request large scale trade.
 * British D: Agreed.

We border Zululand, and why can't I invade Florida?

Your near them, you dont border them