Talk:Night of the Living Alternate History (Map Game)

Archives
Previous archives for the talk page.

Changelog
Original map still in use. Mscoree (talk) 14:05, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

1970.5: Expanded Bay Republic (as their expanding), addest Israel, expanded Zombies, uncolored/colored certain nations, expanded Free Alaska. Daxus Inferno (talk) 14:04, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

1971.25: Shows campaign in England, London removed, French border updated, Brittanny added to UK, Vietnam border updated, Cyprus added, Chicago area updated, infection added in northern Africa and Venezuela, Phillipines added, Pacific islands fixed. Map made by Daxus Inferno. Mscoree (talk) 00:31, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

1972.75: Added zombie movement in Africa, Asia, Middle East, and South America. Showed campaigns in North America. Added annexed Free Alaskan territory. Recolored some nations. Removed South Vietnam. Fixed islands near Japan. Added Halifax (and other nations). Mscoree (talk) 22:37, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

1975: Remade map using more detailed, provincial map.

Discussion
It might be a good idea to use the space in the bottom left of the map to show China without any zombies. Mscoree (talk) 14:04, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

My Antarctic claims aren't on here... RevenantAscension (talk) 19:20, April 23, 2013 (UTC)(Florida)

Lord Finnius, Emperor Romanus, and Harvester360
Since there is concerns about these three, and they claim to be brothers, I need to leave a note, and I figured this is the best place to leave it.

They aren't getting banned - but they are, as per policy, barred from heavy interaction in the games.

Mscoree, up to you to determine how much interaction is too much - your game, after all - and let me know if they fail to listen.

On another note - you guys need to archive this talk page, lol.

Lordganon (talk) 09:54, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

It appears they have the intention of working together in the UR. I will allow that, as its probably easier to prevent metagaming that way, and justify them working together, than if they were separate nations. Mscoree (talk) 12:59, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, that is metagaming for them to do that. In the worst way, as a matter of fact.

Yes, you archived more or less right.

Lordganon (talk) 14:07, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

It makes more sense that two nations in a union would be more 'in the know' than two random, unrelated nations. Mscoree (talk) 19:20, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

Not really - all it does is give them an advantage over others. That's why we have this rule. Lordganon (talk) 08:30, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I understand. Mscoree (talk) 12:07, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

First Archive
I made the first archive. Hopefully I did it correctly. Mscoree (talk) 13:09, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

TO DO LIST
Want to contribute more to this map game, but don't know where to start? Try doing one of these simple tasks, which can greatly improve the map game. Here's your opportunity to really show your creativity.

Nations
If you have not already done so, please create a short profile for your nation detailing some basic information and history. Just click on your nation below to get started. If you have created a nation, but your nation isn't list on the template, contact Mscoree so it can be added.

The above template should also appear at the bottom of your nation profile, and at the bottom of all NotLAH pages.

Feel free to start contributing to the other pages as well.

Here is an example of a nation profile: here. Copy the text on that page (in source) and paste it onto your nation page (in source), then change the information.

The Nations page is also in need of improvement. You can help by adding your nation's information.

You can also add your current territories and colonies to the Territories page.

Art
Here are some art/map/flag stuff that you can do.
 * Make flags (see below)
 * Add already existing flags to the nations on the main page

Flags
Nations that need flags. Try to be logic with flag creation by researching the region and creating a flag that positively displays that regions roots/mother country.
 * Juarez
 * Republic of Alaska (Alaskan Rebels)
 * Northwest Federation
 * Forgottonia
 * Isle of Wight
 * London
 * Northern Ireland

Wars
Navigate to the Wars page and begin adding information for each war and battle.

Here is an example of a war page: here.

Battle of Northern Chile
Chilean Armed Forces


 * Location of Capital:
 * Near the War: 4


 * Tactical Advantage:
 * No Cover, Open Field, Etc: 1


 * Nations Per Side on the War:
 * US (S): 2


 * Military Development:
 * Your Current Army Score: 10
 * Expansion: -1


 * Motive:
 * Motive is Political: 5


 * Chance:
 * UTC Time is: 3:17
 * Edit Count: 295
 * 21% of 295 is 61.95
 * 61.95xPi is 194.621
 * Chance is 4


 * Stability:
 * 25


 * Participation:
 * +10

Total: 60

Chilean Rebels


 * Location of Capital:
 * At the War: 5


 * Tactical Advantage:
 * High Ground/Ambush: 2


 * Nations Per Side:
 * None +0


 * Military Development:
 * Army Score: 10
 * Industry: 4


 * Motive:
 * Motive is Life or Death: 10


 * Chance:
 * UTC Time: 317
 * Edit Count: 1383
 * 72% of 1383 is 995.76
 * 995.76xPi= 3128.2723
 * Chance is 2


 * Stability:
 * +25


 * Participation:
 * +10

Total: 68

The Chilean Rebels forced the Chilean Armed Forces to retreat back after they took heavy casualties. Chilean Rebels are victorious but are exhausted from the battle.

Operation Hydra
List of Nations Invited into Operation Hydra:
 * United States of America
 * United Kingdom
 * France- Accepts
 * USSR
 * Poland- Declines
 * Sicily
 * Iran- Declines
 * Iraq- Declines
 * Egypt- Declines
 * Saudi Arabia - Accepts RazorFangZ14 (talk) 14:08, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Canada - Declines
 * Algiers- Accepts
 * Morocco- Accepts
 * Cyprus- Accepts
 * Syria- Declines
 * Jordan- Declines
 * Qatar- Declines
 * U.A.E- Declines
 * Oman- Declines
 * Libya- Accepts
 * Spain- Accepts
 * Portugal- Accepts
 * Switzerland- Accepts
 * Confederation of the Baltics- Declines
 * Greece- Declines
 * Iceland- Declines
 * Bohemia
 * Republic of Ireland
 * Malta- Declines
 * Luxembourg- Declines
 * Austria- Declines
 * Scotland

Plan of Action:
Operation Hydra will consist of three key stages:


 * Stage 1: An amphibious assault will start in France, Italy, West Germany, and Spain. While Turkish, EHU, and Soviet forces (if they join) will advance from the Forward Operating Base of Castle Dracula. Pushing through Romania to other regions and Bucharest. Meanwhile other forces will start to rapidly clear out Paris, Berlin, Rome, and Madrid.


 * Stage 2: Once these beach heads and cities are secure a pincer movement will start to move around Europe, clearing the infection by the coast. This will center the mass of zombies in the middle of Europe. FOBs will station artillery pieces to fire at zombie hordes/masses and bombers will be sent out on Scorched Earth tasks. After two months of this Stage 3 will start.


 * Stage 3: The main plan of this is to re-settle the post infected cities. Then advance into the center of Europe where the infection will cornered on the continent. Joint-military air strikes will soften up targets and then the main ground forces will strategically charge in; setting up multiple FOBs. While this is all happening, troops stationed the re-settled post infected towns/cities/villages will establish checkpoints and routine patrols. After all this a new follow up operation will start.

Discussion
Some of the nations on the list don't exist anymore or have different names, so I removed them. Mscoree (talk) 14:28, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

It is against the rules to use RNG if you have a conflict of interest, and aren't a moderator. Mscoree (talk) 14:34, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Nations
Any nations who wish to liberate Bolivia and Northern Chile in aid of a fellow nation please list yourselves below. Possible Nations: Any others, please list below:
 * United Republic- (Chile is in the UR, and already is at war in Chile.) UR will commit 250,000 troops to this endevour G greg e (talk)
 * United States- (Already aiding the UR)
 * Flordia - (Already aiding the UR)
 * Turkey- Declines but might join later. Will send supplies though. Edboy452 (talk) 16:09, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Saudi Arabia-
 * Canada- Declines (all of our resources are going towards Operation Goldfish and Recolonize)
 * Soviet Union-
 * United Kingdom-
 * Scotland-
 * Isle of Wight-
 * Republic of Susqehanna- We will send fuel and humanitarian aid, plus ten soldiers.  If we get some more resources we can ship more out.Daeseunglim (talk) 18:49, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for adding your name to the list, Chile is eternally in your debt.

PLAN
Phase 1

This stage will consist of building strong fortifications across Southern Chile. Participating troops will be moved into underground bunkers underneath the Northern Wall ready for the liberation.

Phase 2

Commando raiders and quick armoured battalions will commence lightning raids on the occupied ground. Air cover will be provided in the form of the collaberated airforces of the participating nations. A wave of assasins will be sent to kill the rebel leaders. Falklands Kill Team already sent

Phase 3

Armour in the form of tanks and light artillery will advance at top speed in a night time surprise attack on thee communist occupied territory. Following close behind them will be the infantry followed by any other units.

Phase 4

The mustered special forces of the nations will attack the main enemy camp by helicopter after it has been bombarded by the Royal Navy and/or other nations.

Phase 5

The airports will be taken by the FSF teams.

Phase 6

The country is secured by the UR police forces along with the collaborating armies.

Phase 7

Chile will be eternally in debt (not in money!!!) to the nations that helped it in its hour of need.

Discussion
And just like that everyone is involved in another Vietnam war. The parallel is scary:

Northern communists versus south. Jungle biome. Guerrilla fighters. US involvement slowly escalates.

Hmm Mscoree (talk) 16:18, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

But this time it isn't on the other side of the world, its in the same land mass, so getting support in will be easier Local (talk)

Falklands has already sent a Kill Team to deal with the Rebel leaders

I think the 'kill team' you speak of was the one that was shot down. Mscoree (talk) 16:19, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

No, the downed team were sent in last turn, and the Kill Team were sent in this turn

Operation QiLin
For all who want to liberate South East Asia, China and Japan from zombies

Invitation
For all countries that are NPC, can the mod decide if they join?
 * China-accepted
 * Manchuria- accepts
 * Japan -accepts
 * Wu- accept
 * Yue- accept
 * Vietnam- decline
 * Cambodia- decline
 * Laos- decline
 * USSR

Operation Details

 * 1) Tanks and Bombers built in China and Japan. Forts built across

Battle of Bolivia and Northern Chile
United Republics

Location of Capital:

Near the war: 3

Tactical Advantage:

High Ground, Ambush, etc…: 2

Nations on Side

Turkey (S) US (S) Florida(S): 6

Motive

Political: 5

Stability

25

Military Development

Military Development: 10

Expansion: -3

Chance

Current UTC time 20:27

3x4: 12

12% of 304 is 36.48 xPi = 114.60

Chance is 4

Participation

+10

Number of troops:

250,000/100,000= 2.5 rounded up = 3

Total: 65

Chilean Communists:

Location of Capital:

Next to the War: 4

Tactical Advantage:

Open Field, No Cover, ETC: 1

Motive

Life or Death: 10

Stability

25

Military Development

+10

Industry: +4

Expansion: -4

Chance:

UTC Time is 20:27

Edit Count: 1514 1x5x1x4=20

20% of 1514 is 302.80xpi= 4756.37

Chance is 5

Participation

+10

Number of Troops:

100,000/250,000= .4 rounded = 0

Total: 65

Despite Argentinian intelligence, the number of soldiers is much less than half the total communist forces. Approaching the camp the Argentinean flank is attacked by guerrilla forces, inflicting heavy casualties. The main UR army manages to reach the battle in time, but the communists flee into the forests, using hit and run tactics to escape the battle. '''Not disagreeing with the algorithm, but isn't hit and run an offensive tactic, how can you use it to escape a battle? Local (talk) 21:10, April 22, 2013 (UTC)'''

Discussion
'''This is the correct battle for Northern Chile and Bolivia. Please delete your other algorithm since it's faulty.''' Edboy452

I had to delete the old algorithm because of formatting issues. Mscoree (talk) 19:53, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Isnt my military score 1.5, as well as stablility higher than 25, when the mods last posted it was above 50. So um yeah, Thanks 63.156.233.78 20:52, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Also this was supposed to be two seperate battles. And their are other nations such as Florida who are already aiding the UR, i know it might not make a huge difference, but this combined with the military and naval score it makes a huge difference. G greg e (talk) 14:25, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

So, should i fix this, or will a mod being doing it? Please read my originol notes as well as the ones here. Also one of the two battles (that this was supposed to be broken up into two) had naval support, and both had UR armed forces invovled. Thanks G greg e (talk) 16:39, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

I'll add Florida to the algorithm. Mscoree (talk) 20:10, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

The outcome will stay the same, but in the future I'll add Florida (and however else) to the algorithm. Mscoree (talk) 20:12, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Colombia Discussion
ok Colombia's mod events are become kind of biased, the nation leadership is as much as against the Antipope as the rest of the people but you wont fight your own people just because you dont like their beliefs do you?. Panama wouldn't declare war they are infected and thus need to be cleared first, the militia in venezuela is possible though, in the end it doesn't matter it would be plausible revolts or protests but the colombian Union is way more plausible than Argentina and chile together, both nations people hate each other and they are still here, and the worst that has occurred to the UR is some militians in northern chile. why colombia has to have a civil war?. also Colombian,Panamanian and Venezuelan Culture are similar,if not the same. Venezuela's leadership wouldn't declare war against a more prepared nation such as colombia is, neither would do panama without americas support and america is bussy now. i as well would have support against Panama from japan and per se. the Peoples of both countries don't really care about that, they would act like, "oh you don't believe in the pope as leader of christendom? oh well god have mercy on you if you are wrong"

The majority of the protesters and militia aren't against the Colombian government, they just want the removal of the anti pope. Central Americans took the opportunity and are also attacking in protest. If El Salvador and Hondorus can go to war because of a football game, I think a small group of protesters because of religious differences isn't that implausible, especially from the ultra-Catholics And yes, they would fight they're own people considering they're committing 'blasphemy against their religion.' It's nothing major.

well its plausible yes, but my point is, would you be going to war with a nation that is better prepared and more stable and further more. ultracatholics are not most of the population in the countries, and the antipope is doing nothing to attack the pope followers or to even portray catholicism in a different matter, its just a catholic priest that says that the pope has disrespected the nation by choosing to go to a infected nation and a small island rather than a country were he could try to control both hemisphere with grater easy, is pretty much same catholicism, just a different figure. im not like The bay republic or cuba

The "war" is basically militia attacking the border. Nothing major. I'll edit it so it's less confusing. In Colombia they're not at war, they're just protesters. (Moving this discussion to talk page)

Free Alaska
Location Tactical Advantage
 * next to the war:4
 * none

Nations Per Side on the War

 * S for supplies (+2)

Military Development

 * Your current army score:20
 * -13 for expansion
 * Naval:3

Motive

 * motive is social: 5

Chance

 * UTC time: 9:15
 * Opponent's edit count: 1,532 (war is against NPC, so I used Mscoree's edit count)
 * 15% of 1,532=229.8
 * 229.8xPi=721.93 7 991795
 * chance is 7

Stability

 * 25

Participation
Leader Total: 82
 * +10
 * leader is Vernon Ball
 * random number(8) X 2000(Soviet soldiers)/6000(Alaskan soldiers)=2.6(general is fine)
 * Gen[1]((wins[5]+1)/total[11]+1) + Exp[8])=8.5=9

State of Alaska
Location ​Tactical Advantage Nations Per Side on the War Military Development Motive
 * at the war: 5
 * major fortifications:5
 * none
 * Your current army score:10
 * Industry for defending: 4
 * Motive is life or death (country's soverign existence is threatened):10

Chance
Stability Participation Leader Total: 81
 * UTC time:9:15
 * Opponent's edit count: 973
 * 15% of 973 is 145.95
 * 145.95xPi=458.51 5 447791
 * chance is 5
 * 25
 * All nations get a +10 on this
 * leader is General Charles Johnson
 * random number(1) X 20000(Alaskan soldiers)/10000(US soldiers)=2(general is fine)
 * Gen[1]((wins[2]+1)/total[2]+1) + Exp[6])=7

Free Alaska
Location Tactical Advantage
 * next to the war:4
 * none

Nations Per Side on the War

 * S for supplies (+2)

Military Development

 * Your current army score:20
 * -12 for expansion
 * Naval:3

Motive

 * motive is social: 5

Chance

 * UTC time: 9:11
 * Opponent's edit count: 1,532 (war is against NPC, so I used Mscoree's edit count)
 * 11% of 1,532=168.52
 * 168.52xPi=529.42 1 193983
 * chance is 1

Stability

 * 25

Participation
Leader Total: 78
 * +10
 * leader is General Todd Hardwick
 * random number(7) X 10000(US soldiers)/15000(Alaskan soldiers)=4.7(general is fine)
 * Gen[1]((wins[2]+1)/total[3]+1) + Exp[8])=8.75=9

State of Alaska
Location ​Tactical Advantage Nations Per Side on the War Military Development Motive
 * at the war: 5
 * major fortifications:5
 * none
 * Your current army score:10
 * Industry for defending: 4
 * Motive is life or death (country's soverign existence is threatened):10

Chance
Stability Participation Leader Leader (President) Total: 72
 * UTC time:9:11
 * Opponent's edit count: 973
 * 11% of 973 is 107.03
 * 107.03xPi=336.24 4 661714
 * chance is 4
 * 25
 * All nations get a +10 on this
 * leader is General Adam Warner
 * random number(7) X 20000(Alaskan soldiers)/10000(US soldiers)=14(general is killed)
 * Gen[0]((wins[1]+1)/total[3]+1) + Exp[4])=4.5=0
 * President is Keith Harvey Miller
 * Random number(9) X 20000(alaskan soldiers)/10000(US soldiers)=18(president is killed)

Result

 * Free alaskan Troops take both Juneau and Anchorage. the Free alaskan army sufers many casualties at Anchorage, and 2500 alaskan state troops manage to flee the city, along with their general.

China
Total: 53
 * Location (Near the war): 3
 * Tactical advantage (No Cover, Open Field): 1
 * Motive (Life or Death): 10
 * Stability: 25
 * Army: 10
 * Expansion: -3
 * Industry: 6
 * Chance: 1
 * UTC Time: 20:44 2x4x4= 32
 * Posts: 32% of 549 = 175.68
 * 175.68 x Pi= 551.9
 * Participating in the war: 10

Tibet
Total: 58
 * Location (Far From War): 2
 * Tactical Advantage (High Ground/Ambush): 2
 * Motive (Political): 5
 * Stability: 25
 * Army: 10
 * Expansion: -1
 * Chance: 5
 * UTC Time: 20:44 2x4x4= 32
 * 32% of 1651 is 528.32
 * 528.32 x Pi= 1659.7
 * Participation: 10

Featured NotLAH Article
This could be YOUR page:

On the portal page there is a new section for featured articles. This prestigious award will be given out each month to a well written article. Start making pages, and your page might be selected for next month. Good luck everyone! Mscoree (talk) 12:45, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Nation
Hey, can I join? I would like to form a nation known as the Republic of Susquehanna, encompassing central Pennsylvania.

Capitol: Bloomsburg

Largest City: Williamsport

Population: 210,000

Military:

Army- 23,000 infantry, main battle rifle- M14 or M1 Garand; 13 M60 Pattons, 548 pick up trucks with machine guns, ten M151 MUTT, six M116 howitzers, and one M113 Armored Personell Carrier;

Air Force- 900 men, seven Bell UH-1 Iroquois, thirty six Bell, AH-1 Cobra, and seven Cessna 172's;

Coast Guard- 153 men, one Cessna 172, one Sikorsky H-19, six Cutter Boats

Government:

Democratic Republic

Daeseunglim (talk) 19:02, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Your nation sounds great! Be warned, you might have some trouble with Pennsylvania since they want to keep their territory. If you want to continue as the Republic of Susquehanna you can add it to the nations page. Welcome to the game! Mscoree (talk) 20:05, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Can I take over Clinton County? Also, can you lable the nations on the PA map?Daeseunglim (talk) 18:43, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

Coming back
Hey guys! Just went through some painful class studying and was looking to join back, but it seems Sweden hath fallen to the Zeds...Would it be possible to join back as a rebel force in Yemen, who are ultra-religious extremists, calling themselves the انها تولد من جديد الأموي في سبيل الله' (Umayyad Reborn for Allah or simply Umayyads)''. ''They believe that the zeds are a sign from Allah that it's simply the weak and unfaithful being culled from the Earth, like the Great Flood, and that they must fight to survive and prove their faith? EiplecOco (talk) 20:23, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Sounds great. You can switch to Yemen/Yemeni rebels if you wish. Welcome back! Mscoree (talk) 01:43, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

Okie-Dokie thank you! And thank you for the welcome back as well! It's good to be back in the land of the dead :D! EiplecOco (talk) 01:52, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

whos the best power currently? DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 20:58, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

Hey guys! I would like to play as South Africa if that is fine with you guys. Ollie has put up his name for the nation but he has not posted any turns yet. SO could I take control of the nation? Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:06, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Sure. I'll add you as South Africa. Mscoree (talk) 19:15, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:34, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Yemini Rebels
Total: 63
 * Location (At the war): 5
 * Tactical Advantage (No Cover/Open Field): 1
 * Nations Per Side
 * Saudi Arabia (S): 2
 * Motive is Social: 6
 * Stability: 25
 * Army: 10
 * Expansion: 0
 * Chance: 4
 * UTC Time is 20:57 2x5x7= 70
 * 70% of 208 = 145.6
 * 145.6 x Pi= 457.4
 * Participation: 10

Yemen
Total: 68
 * Location (At the war): 5
 * Tactical Advantage (No Cover/Open Field): 1
 * Motive (Life or Death): 10
 * Stability: 25
 * Army: 10
 * Expansion: 0
 * Industry: 4
 * Chance: 3
 * UTC Time is 20:57 2x5x7= 70
 * 70% of 1651 is 1155.7
 * 1155.7 x Pi= 3630.7
 * Participation: 10