Talk:Atlantic Defense Community (1983: Doomsday)

Liberal Democracy
Would the UL being an elected Monarchy be not considered a "liberal democracy"? Mr.Xeight 03:46, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

NATO does not make sense without existence of the United States, and the Soviet Union. I don't understand why countries as diverse as these ones would bother to co-ordinate their policy. Who's their common leader? Who's their common enemy? — Hellerick 16:59, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

"A main reason for setting this strong sign is the increasing aggresivity of the "Mafia State" of Sicily culminating in direct military conflict with Pais del Oro."

Don't skim articles. Mr.Xeight 17:07, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Take a look at the page that I wrote - the section on the "Euro-Atlantic Fringe" sort of explains how that bloc has stuck together, and explains a few of their common interests. Benkarnell 19:16, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Main purpose from the Celtic Alliance perspective is the impact of not working together, I would envisage the ADC to expand into the medical and research fields given its proximity to the main areas of radiation e.g. Europe from the Atlantic to the Urals Mjdoch 16:01, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Kingdom of Bermuda?
Could the Kingdom of Bermuda be accepted into this defense community? --Gamb1993 19:27, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I could imagine that, yes... maybe extend the ADC to the east Carribean Federation? --Xi&#39;Reney 21:06, 17 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Would certainly send a message to the waring factions in Canada Gamb1993 i.e expanding the Alliance and its preconditions for membership Mjdoch 16.04 September 2009 (UTC)

So, how come Bermuda was never added to the alliance?--Vladivostok 08:13, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

US Survivor Nations
I have a question. In that the US was a member of NATO, would this mean any survivor nation arising from the former US which has chosen a path to democracy, like the UCD or Vermont, be eligible to join? If so, I would be interested in having the UCD, given it sits on the former US East Coast, apply for membership. Thanks.--Fxgentleman 15:43, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Vermont is neutral and Aroostook is torn between Canada and Sagueny. Delmerva is a possibility, though. HAD 17:08, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Would, or could South Florida join? While it is only barely touching the Atlantic Ocean, its' large navy (for its size) and a surviving factories which could produce munitions could help the ADC. Arstarpool 18:24, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think we should start creating observer status nations, or applicants, as it seems like nations are entering on a whim. I don't see any reason why US survivors states wouldn't want to enter, but after three years, I feel the ADC would have some regulatory measure for screening new nations, which could be elaborated more in the article. We also seem to lack the ADC and ANZC part of the article.--Vladivostok 16:46, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Based on my earlier question back in March, I would like to officially put forward Delmarva for ADC membership. Given the ADC was created in 2007, what would the procedure be? Could it have joined officially sometime between 2007 and 2010, or would the request be as of this year? I am in the process of working on the foreign relations sections of Delmarva and would like to include something about this. I think the UCD would be a good choice since they are a fairly large Atlantic based nation strategically located on the North American east coast and would be a good stopping off point for ships on missions. Since I am unsure who makes these decisions, could someone please advise me? Thanks.--Fxgentleman 00:39, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Sunkist, based on your comments, should I list Delmarva's status as being under consideration for the time? I just wanted to be sure I understood correctly. I was thinking if there is a formal acceptance by the ADC of the nations you are referencing, perhaps it would be worthy of note as an official announcement via the WCRB headlines sometime soon. Just a thought. --Fxgentleman 01:06, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, these nations will be most likely be able to join in late October, we will need a vote from each nation already part of ADC to allow this to happen, and to have the nation accept the invite.--Sunkist- 01:20, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Current Membership Requests
Kingdom Of Bermuda- 19th of June 2009

South Florida- June 19th 2010

Delmerava- April 24th 2010

Woodbridge- June 19 2010

Cleveland & Northumbria- July 1 2010

Southern England- July 1 2010

I think that Bermuda, South Florida and Delmerava should all be allowed, at this very second we should not allow the English nations due to the Celtic Alliance ordeal.--Sunkist- 00:56, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Application for membership
Can Woodbridge apply to join?? Verence71 11:35, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Could North Germany is interested as well. As for Woodbridge, I see no reason that it should not join. Arstarpool 18:11, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

We're in the middle of some territorial expansion at the moment but as soon as that's calmed down we'll apply Verence71 19:31, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

The Kingdoms of Cleveland and Northumbria would also like to apply to join the ADC--Smoggy80 16:57, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Is the application procedure much like the ones for NATO and the EU in OTL?? in that a country applies to join, is given some sort of associate membership and then after some form of inspection by representatives of current member states is granted full membership?? Verence71 20:36, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Can join?Vegas adict 20:41, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Needs a Flag
This seems like its getting bigger, maybe adding a flag would be nice.--Sunkist- 20:55, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Might this work?--Sunkist- 22:05, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Looks good to me; though I must ask, what do the stars stand for? Original members? Mr.Xeight 22:07, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Well the stars are really like the European Flag, look to the bottom reason 12 stars could come to be.--Sunkist- 00:19, July 1, 2010 (UTC) It is an awesome flag.HAD 17:23, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 12 stars crowning the head of the Queen of Heaven in the book of Revelation, Chapter 12
 * 12 hours on a clock
 * 12 months in a year
 * 12 symbols of the zodiac
 * 12 apostles
 * 12 sons of Jacob
 * 12 tribes of Israel
 * 12 Biblical minor prophets
 * 12 ounces in a troy pound
 * 12 semitones in an octave
 * 12 days of Christmas
 * 12 Caesars chronicled by Suetonius
 * 12 Olympian gods
 * 12 labours of Hercules
 * 12 tables of Roman Law
 * 12 books of Paradise Lost and the Aeneid
 * 12 hues in the colour wheel, star or sphere (western art)

Membership process
I think it is about time we decided what sort of membership process the ADC would have. As of now, we have 5 possible applicants: Croatia, Woodbridge, Cleveland, Northumbria and Bermuda. We should have something along the lines of a Partnership for Peace or Intensified Dialogue members, something along those lines.--Vladivostok 20:47, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, I think they should have some type of voting in, like the current members would see if that Nation is qualified to join or not.--Sunkist- 21:39, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that would probably need to be part of the process. If no one minds, I'm going to look up the practices of OTL NATO and make a subheading regarding future enlargement of the organization, its standard practices, etc.--Vladivostok 21:45, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * This would come in handy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO Verence71 11:32, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * This would come in handy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO Verence71 11:32, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good, could we allow in the Italian Peninsula Alliance, seeing as they have a common goal as the ADC to bring peace to Europe and bring the end of the Mafia Sicily.--Sunkist- 07:41, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably, but there needs to be a screening process first.--Vladivostok 07:52, July 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Screening process?--Sunkist- 07:58, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * To evaluate whether they are ready to enter the ADC.--Vladivostok 07:59, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

So, is the organization ready to accept new members?--Vladivostok 10:07, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

I would imagine that once the Sicily war ends they will be. We should start off with a list of applicants. Sun went into that a bit earlier, but that'd need re-doing.

As for a screening/application process, they should apply to whichever nation is in "charge" of their area, who would then take it to the Atlantic Council for debate, where it would be decided to approve it or not. (This ould be us deciding, of course)

As for applicants, the members of the IPA, the English and French survivor-states, Friesland, Delmarva, Bermuda, Navarre, Estonia, Karlia, Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia, Rhodope, Plymouth(and maybe other states on the former eastern seaboard), and Malta would be the most likely pool of potential ones. Would not add much more than 4-5 at most, but I figure that'd be a start.

Lordganon 10:47, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, Plymouth is applying, but I'd suggest not adding either any Balkan States or any landlocked states. Arstar 17:41, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * How come?--Vladivostok 17:44, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh nevermind, I forgot the Balkanisation as it happened in OTL never happened. Even then I think a few states applied to NATO in OTL. Arstar 17:48, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh nevermind, I forgot the Balkanisation as it happened in OTL never happened. Even then I think a few states applied to NATO in OTL. Arstar 17:48, November 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * You are very right. Croatia and Slovenia are both in NATO.--Vladivostok 18:06, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

The only outright landlocked nations are Karlia and a few of French and Spanish states (though, Rhodope does come very close).

Could also add the other Spanish nation-states to that list, actually.

Karlia is a member of the Nordic Union, as is Estonia, so their potential makes sense. Rhodope is at this point effectively a Greek ally, with a border with them, and a decided interest in joining the ADC.

With the French states, only Monaco, Navarre, and Andorra (and maybe Lille, though that map is slightly ambiguous), could possibly join, though I doubt Monaco/Andorra would want to (though you could argue that Monaco would consider it due to Sicily), while Navarre would likely be blocked by Spain.

The only coastal Spanish nations (besides Spain itself/Andorra/Navarre) are Galicia, Asturias, and Castilla y Leon. Of these, it can definitely be argued that in light of things, only Galicia would realistically be considered (plus their recent operations with Portugal) for membership.

With the British nation-states, Scotland/Matlock/Reghed would be out, for varied, obvious, reasons. I'd add East Britain to that list, too. Of the rest, Essex, Southern England, and Woodbridge(tech beats population(pop's a bit low anyway, lol)) would likely be the best options, though Cleveland/Northumbria and Lancaster can't be ruled out either.

Malta just makes a bit of sense to me with the garrison, etc. there already, lol. I do suppose that Friesland doesn't make sense with their unwillingness to join international organizations, either.

Really should add Luxembourg in some fashion too - while I doubt they'd be a member at this time, it would make a little sense for them to be involved somehow.

Lordganon 06:00, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Potential Applicants
Figured that this would make ^ easier, lol.


 * Rhodope
 * Genoa
 * Venice
 * Tuscany
 * Galicia
 * Monaco
 * Woodbridge
 * Essex
 * Southern England
 * Karlia
 * Malta
 * Estonia
 * Delmarva
 * Bermuda
 * Plymouth
 * Croatia
 * Slovenia
 * Luxembourg(some sort of observer status?)

Would there be any reasons why they couldn't join? (i.e. major issues with a current ADC member?) Or others that would make sense?

Way I figure it, we should get this done kinda like NATO otl - all members must agree on expansion states.

And a limit of somewhere around 4-5 at once would be best, honestly.

Lordganon 06:00, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Celtic Alliance
Alright, I find this a very un-reasonable thing for the Celtic Alliance to do, the ADC should do somthing.--Sunkist- 23:56, September 2, 2010 (UTC)