Talk:1983: Doomsday/Former Proposals 11

This is one of those general articles. Thoughts and comments welcomed. Mitro 02:56, January 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hm, I think that more needs to be added based on the fruitful discussion we had. Maybe I can do that if I don't find work today (increasingly likely :. The main thing, to me, is that the term "education" should have a broader scope meaning "teaching children the skills necessary to survive". Even in some of the largish survivor states, most of that probably occurs outside formal school builings. "Homeschooling" (probably not the term used) only gets a quick mention near the bottom, whereas it's probably the norm for large numbers of people. Benkarnell
 * I realize some of that fruitful discussion was created by my edits, but I really don't have the time to put more work on the article. So if Ben or anyone else wants to take a stab at it, go ahead. Mitro 19:59, February 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know some of my edits have been controversial, but there have been changes to the article since then, is there anyone who still objects to graduating this article? Mitro 12:52, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Karelia
A proposal for a survivor nation in the former USSR. --Jnjaycpa 05:11, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

Territorially speaking is it based around this part of Russia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Karelia?? Verence71 20:23, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

Yes. I assume that in a large region between the killzones of Leningrad and Murmansk there would be some survivors. The only question I have is if there are any potential targets in that region.Jnjaycpa 20:48, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

This link might help http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leningrad_Military_District Verence71 21:00, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. After a little research I found that there was a minor military airbase in Petrozavodsk, which means it was nuked. For the moment, I'll assume no other nukes fell in that region.Jnjaycpa 01:04, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

70% or so of the population of Karelia is ethnic Russian so surely Russian would be the main language??

Ethnic Karelians themselves are about 10% of the population so maybe at some point post-Doomsday there could be an armed uprising among them Verence71 16:02, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

I decided to split Karelia into two parts: a Finnish-dominated democratic republic (Republic of Karelia) and a pro-Siberian regime (East Karelia).

According to this scneario, Soviet and Finnish Karelian forces fought in the winter of 1983 (Second Winter War). By spring of 1984, the Finnish Karelians reclaimed most of the territory lost in 1940. In 1988, the Finnish Karelians decide against rejoining Finland, and declare an independent nation, the Republic of Karelia (Karelia). The Soviets retreated and set up the Provisional Soviet Socalist Republic of Russia (East Karelia). By 2010, Karelia will formally join in the Nordic Union, while East Karelia will declare its alligence to Siberia.

Jnjaycpa 02:33, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

I've started a proposal for Soviet Karlia. Jnjaycpa 06:10, February 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Though both incomplete, does anyone object to graduating these articles and marking them as stubs? Mitro 04:31, March 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, and does anyone object to me adding to them and fixing the name of Soviet Karelia?--Vladivostok 06:10, March 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * You should at least ask the original creator before you go ahead and add things to the articles. Since you do plan to add more I say we should keep them as proposals until then. Mitro 17:40, March 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem, I will of course ask him.--Vladivostok 18:34, March 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Did these get forgotten about? Can always use more nordic countries.Oerwinde 08:31, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope, not forgotten, it's just that I'm busy with writting the proposal for Iran. These two are next on my list.--Vladivostok 16:05, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

There, I've added some new info on both Karelian survivalist states.--Vladivostok 15:38, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Does anyone object to graduating the two Karelia articles? Mitro 12:52, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

and
Liberian related articles. Mitro 16:56, March 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Does anyone object to graduating these two articles? Mitro 15:44, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Reuters
We've never really dug into current-day media in the timeline, and how news gets around internationally. This proposal is a very short bio on the Reuters news agency, which TTL is one of the leading organizations of its kind. The proposal was inspired by the Virginian Republic statement of support for the Chumash Republic, and Mitro's comment on the talk page. BrianD 05:54, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Any objections to graduating this article? Mitro 12:57, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Article created by Ocelot9011. Mitro 22:41, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Any objections to marking this as obsolete? Mitro 12:05, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Please do. BrianD 15:24, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Article created by Verence. See also. Mitro 16:56, March 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Any real problems with this being canon?--Vladivostok 18:44, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Outer Lands
The idea sprang from a brief discussion Mitro and I had on the U.S. states page, regarding Block Island in Rhode Island.BrianD 18:36, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Great idea! It would also include Gardiners Island, a little piece of real esate with a fascinating history of its own. (Shameless plug) Benkarnell 18:15, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * I told you I missed stuff...this reminds me: where did Mitro or you archive that compilation on where the Kennedys were on Doomsday? The reason I ask is I am wondering if one of them may have been in the Vineyard, or Nantucket, on DD. This also has me wondering if any famous celebrities, or politicians may have been in the Outer Lands on DD night. BrianD 18:36, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Here ya go: American political families (1983: Doomsday). Mitro 18:46, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * So much for the Kennedys having survived DD.BrianD 19:05, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well JFK Jr was in India when DD hit. Its likely he survived to carry on the name. Mitro 19:13, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Any objections to graduation? Mitro 18:17, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

, and
Botswana related articles. Mitro 14:40, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Any problems with these articles becoming canon?--Vladivostok 18:46, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Africa Cup of Nations
Having already discused this with the creator of the i'm intrested in what other members who have created things in Africa think of the idea of an African Cup Of NationsVegas adict 18:24, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not conflicting with any known canon material, any objections for graduation?--Vladivostok 18:54, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

A survivor state in east Africa, does anyone have any problem with this graduating?Vegas adict 21:06, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Nein.Yankovic270 23:04, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Das ist gut. Mito can this graduate?Vegas adict 16:27, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * FYI, I'm not the official article graduater. Common mistake due to the fact I'm usually the only one who graduates articles. Mitro 16:30, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Who is?Vegas adict 16:33, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * No one. Anyone can graduate articles, just follow the . Generally I like to allow a significant amount of time to go by once I request a graduation to allow other editors to comment on the article or possibly reject. Mitro 16:37, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * This doesn't conflict with any known canon article? Any objections to graduating it?--Vladivostok 18:49, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Only other point is that it's tied to, and through those two Vegas adict 18:55, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, then I'll say it here: now that the problem with that breakaway state in Ethiopia has been resolved, there really isn't anything conflictin, seeing as their is a lack of African articles in general.--Vladivostok 19:06, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough if you and Mitro have no problems with them, I'll graduate them myselfVegas adict 19:14, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Article created by Zack. Mitro 22:35, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

I'm working on the Republic of North Florida article with Perryz101 that includes Gainesville. This can be marked as obsolete. --GOPZACK 19:11, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Article created by Vegas. Mitro 22:35, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

I think i'v sorted out the issues we discussed on the talk page. Are thier any objections to this graduating?Vegas adict 16:27, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Blank article created by Zack. Mitro 22:39, April 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Any objections to a quick graduation? --GOPZACK 19:31, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Article I create concerning a state in Sudan, which I think would go the way of Liberia and collapse. Yankovic270 23:02, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fits with the idea that Sudan would fall apart. Problems with graduation?--Vladivostok 18:56, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

A proposal for the always delightful. --GOPZACK 15:53, April 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Any objections to a quick graduation? --GOPZACK 19:31, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Part of my work in east Africa, does anyone have any problem with this graduating?Vegas adict 16:27, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem.--Vladivostok 19:02, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Part of my work in east Africa, does anyone have any problem with this graduating?Vegas adict 16:27, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Following the resolution of the Spokane War, and resettlement of southern Idaho by the communities surrounding Boise, and as far out as Burns, Frenchglen, Andrews, Basque, Rome and Jordan Valley, OR, DeLamar, Dewey and Murphy, ID, as far north as Horseshoe Bend, Indian Valley, Cambridge, Heath, ID, and Joseph, Minam, La Grande and Baker City, OR began to work together in a loose cooperative. By 2000 the region had begun referring to itself as Cascadia. By late 2009, letters asking official recognition by Utah and Lincoln as a self-governing entity.


 * Since this was now mentioned in the News Feed, is this up for graduation?Oerwinde 08:31, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just because something is mentioned in the news feed does not mean it is canon. Mitro 12:42, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed - it's not canon - but I generally try to make my contributions reasoned and within the zeitgeist of the timeline. Hopefully y'all will agree with me and graduate it at some point in the near future - but I'm content to wait until others graduate my article. No abuse of "powers" here. Louisiannan 15:00, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * How about it? Nothing conflicts with existing QSS - it's not going to be a major mover and shaker (at least for now, if ever), and it doesn't really impact anyone, not the MSP, not Pasco, not Lincoln (Idaho). What do ye say, friends? Louisiannan 20:29, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * The only issue I really have with the article is this line: Idaho was struck with a nuclear bomb at Boise - and that changed everything. Most local cities continued as normal...
 * Seems a tad bit unlikely that things would be "normal" after a nuclear war. Maybe reword that line to showcase some of the post-Doomsday chaos that covered most of North America. I would fully support graduation then. Mitro 02:08, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * My intended sentiment didn't make it through my rather obtuse verbiage. I apologize.  Let me know what you think of the changes I've made.  Louisiannan 05:21, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

My article about a small town in Illinois that survived Doomsday. Mitro 00:45, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * I had been hoping to contribute to this one, since I actually know a lot about it, but I don't think it's going to happen. Graduation time? Benkarnell 16:43, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually could we wait before graduating this. I want a chance to finish writing the history of the city-state first. I realize this has been a proposal for a month now but I am just asking for a little more time. Mitro 17:31, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Life is making it to difficult to write for the TL. Is anyone interested in adopting this article? Mitro 17:23, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll take this off your hands if you'd like. Seeing as I have done a decent amount in the area. --GOPZACK 19:46, March 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Any objections to graduation? --GOPZACK 01:06, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Whitehorse
My proposal for the current TTL situation in former Yukon.BrianD 21:33, March 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm finished with the article if anyone wants to review, graduate, object, etc. BrianD 23:27, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Southern Texas
A proposal for three small nation-states in TTL southern Texas. BrianD 01:56, April 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * FYI - an accompanying rewrite of West Texas and eastern Texas is coming this week. BrianD 02:03, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm finished with the article if anyone wants to review, graduate, object, etc. BrianD 23:25, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Northern Texas and central Texas
A proposal for survivor towns in TTL northern and central Texas. BrianD 22:15, April 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm finished with the article if anyone wants to review, graduate, object, etc. BrianD 23:25, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Blank article created by Zack. Mitro 22:35, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Any objections as marking this as obsolete until Zack or another editor decides to work on the article again? Mitro 19:02, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * None from me. Louisiannan 22:49, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

New York City
Proposal for the status of the New York City region in TTL. BrianD 15:24, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Have you ever read Resurrection Day? The main character actually take a trip into the nuked remains of NYC. Granted the book's POD involved the Cuban Missile Crisis. Mitro 15:29, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Never. I did read Warday, where missiles hit in Long Island in a very limited nuclear exchange. Manhattan was being stripped when the main characters reached the city. I'll look for your book on Amazon. BrianD 15:31, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

I've read Resurrection Day several times. It is a very good novel. HAD 21:52, April 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm finished with the article if anyone wants to review, graduate, object, etc. BrianD 23:22, April 12, 2010 (UTC)