Talk:Scramble for Africa (Map Game)

The Dutch had their colonial heyday in the 17th century. I don't see why they would have to wait to colonize. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 20:57, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

may I join as france? God Bless the United States of America 20:59, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Excuse me, but why end in 1914? Why not let it last a little longer, possibly towards the abdication of European powers from Africa? 1994 is when about every African nation gained independence but I would recommend that it end in 1947 when the Cold War began. BlackSkyEmpire 21:28, February 21, 2011 (UTC)BlackSkyEmpire

At the start in this timeframe, the dutch are fighting a war and unrest in Belgium. The limits are all there for a reason.

The end-date is 1914 because of the First World War. As myself and Collie agreed, fighting that war would just lead to fighting and a pre-mature end to the game.

I have also removed all but the first three mods from the list. It may not have been noticed, but it is there as a limit.

GB, France has already been claimed by Pita. All you needed to do at the time was add your name to the list as France.

Lordganon 04:21, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Color changing and explaining the rules
i forgot to explain, but I'm reverting the colors because they're not accurate. United States was supposed to be orange, hence its presence in Liberia. Portugal was to be pink, since Mozambique and Angola, the pink territories were Portuguese, and please, post something in the sections by year.Collie Kaltenbrunner 19:15, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

I think that doing

How do you edit the map,and when do we start?God Bless the United States of America 03:24, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

My bad with the colors. Was not looking at a small map when I did them, lol. GB, maps will be adjusted - likely by myself or Collie, but who knows - with each passing year. By the sounds of things, Collie wants us to just start. Lordganon 04:57, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for starting early, I read LG's comment and thought we were supposed to start, sorry for the trouble! God Bless the United States of America 01:11, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I can see how you could get that. Lordganon 04:20, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Before I forget, I'd like to add as well that your post, GB, would probably have been removed anyways - The Russians have ports in the Arctic and on the Baltic Sea they can use, and wouldn't really need permission to get through the Straits anyways. Lordganon 11:29, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, the only problem though is that it would take much longer to use the Baltic ports, and they would have to stop in several nations to keep provisions. Plus, a alliance with the Ottoman Empire could allow them to eventual takeover the entire middle east and much of north africa. God Bless the United States of America 13:58, February 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * that's exactly why Russia has restrictions on expansion.Collie Kaltenbrunner 15:53, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

The Russians and Ottomans would never, ever, agree to an alliance of any kind. And, as stated, the Ottomans would not block the Straits unless the two are at war, which happen in this game as per otl. Lordganon 14:06, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Yes,I agree completely guys,I was just thinking of possiblities.So,are we allowed to start now?God Bless the United States of America 19:13, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Starting Positions
Figured that I would list these, as some of them are pretty small:


 * France - Dakar and a small part of the Guinea Coast
 * Great Britain - The Gambia, Cape Colony, Sierra Leone, and part of the Guinea coast
 * Spain - Small territories on the Gulf of Guinea as well as the cities of Ceuta and Melilla near Spain itself
 * Denmark - Part of the Guinea Coast
 * Netherlands - Part of the Guinea coast
 * Portugal - São Tomé and Príncipe in the Gulf of Guinea, coastal Angola and Mozambique, and Guinea-Bissau (Between the Gambia and Sierra Leone)
 * Ethiopia - Most of Modern Ethiopia
 * Ottoman Empire - Most of the North African Coast pledges some sort of shaky allegiance - hence the expansion restrictions - and they control Egypt and most of the Sudan as well.

Other countries start with no territories. The Kingdom of Morocco, a non-playable state, is also present and will need to be dealt with. And no, you cannot just "take it over." So don't even try it.

Lordganon 04:57, February 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Can we start now?Collie Kaltenbrunner 08:28, February 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Definitely. Were waiting on you to give the say-so. Lordganon 10:03, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

1825
is better than

1825
Thanks! PitaKang 19:19, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Morocco
Was hoping I wouldn't have to say this - it should have been obvious - but you cannot just declare "alliances" or the like with Morocco or the other marked non-playable nations on the map. These are not tribal nations, but actual non-playable states. Pita, I have removed your reference to the alliance. It is something you could discuss on the talk page and get, but not simply declare. Lordganon 16:51, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, okay sorry. Then could we discuss a French-Moroccan alliance? PitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 20:30, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Much better. I think that it would be possible, though you'll need Crim or Collie to agree as well. Lordganon 15:32, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

Map
So will we be using one map in all or one per year? And will it be updated at the end of each turn or the beginning of the next turn? Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 01:46, February 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * The 1825 turn already ended? so use one map per year, at the end of each turn, with the new map being in the section.The initial map cannot be changed.Collie Kaltenbrunner 08:10, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. I would make one but I'm not sure where you want it or what you want it to be called. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:03, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

We'll give Bacon and Stark a day to make their moves, and if they don't we'll post a map. I figure as well that the unclaimed power of Denmark will expand a pixel or two, and the same will happen to Bacon's nation, and in some areas to Stark's (already borders the Sahara, after all), if neither makes their move. Lordganon 04:10, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Are we going to let everyone make their own changes or are the admins going to update maps by themselves? Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 04:22, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

One update is always better than six, and saves a lot of fighting about size, people shrinking the colonies of others, etc. I've got a version of the map with what moves made so far on it, just waiting on Stark and Bacon. Lordganon 04:27, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Oops. Completely missed that Stark made his move, lol. At any rate, Bacon made his move, so a map will be forthcoming very shortly. Go ahead and make moves for 1826, now. Lordganon 06:12, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. I don't think waiting for everyone to post is that efficient in this game. Why not one turn per day? Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 05:19, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Too fast. People will miss it, or not end up posting, leading to them putting the things in afterwards when we're actually on the next year. Fighting will erupt, and the game will die. Not waiting for all to post, but I'm trying to post on their pages to remind them, and give them a day to do so. Trying to aim for once every two days, lol. Lordganon 08:14, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Disscussions
Keep discussion off the main page, guys. It is for the game, not issues. Talk about them here, on the talk page, like you should.

Since it was agreed, I took off the Jan~ reference. I also put spaces in GB's post, changed Crim's to east like he meant, and removed the reference to Ifni. It was Spanish from 1476-1524, and then once again from 1860 to 1969. Not in 1825, at all - it was under the control of Morocco, as seen on the map.

Lordganon 12:07, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

No one said Spain couldn't re-occupy it… If Morocco wants to retaliate, go ahead. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 14:52, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

Did you not read how Morocco works here? You cannot just "seize" a city of an actual nation-state like that. Seriously. Edit reversed. Lordganon 15:30, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

I read exactly how it works. Moroccan-Spanish war commence… Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 15:44, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

Then you did not understand it. "Alliances and the like." I was hoping to avoid going into a list. This includes war, which Spain at this point is not capable of fighting anyways, trade, and basically any diplomatic relations. You will have to ask and get approval of fighting with Morocco, just like Pita does for an alliance, before it can go ahead. Lordganon 17:56, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

Uh ok? May I? Since Morocco is aligned with France, I guess it could be considered a continuation of the Napoleonic wars… Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 23:12, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

2 of 3 mods will have to approve the measure - and you won't get it from me. And, as of yet, the measure proposed by Pita has not been approved. Lordganon 09:31, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Can we start the next turn?Collie Kaltenbrunner 08:39, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Really should wait for the map to be put up. Like I said, give them a day to do something. Been around 7 hours, I figure we can wait a bit more. I'll give notice faster in the future, trust me. Lordganon 11:45, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

You think that is possible a map each 5 turns?Collie Kaltenbrunner 18:47, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Would lead to fighting and an abrupt end to the game. Most people don't get that they need to read what others write normally, and that would make it far, far, worse. Lordganon 00:16, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Map is up. Let the new year begin! Lordganon 06:28, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Pita, Vietnam is not somewhere you need slaves, and was not French until later on. Haiti has long been independent by 1826 as well.

As for the offer.... well, I just can't bring myself to ally with the BBB, especially given the context of Sweden, so the answer will be no.

Lordganon 17:28, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

Map is up! Next! Lordganon 12:53, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Kenny, there's no way you can establish that many colonies at once. That's so many more than Spain could realistically make that it's not funny. Choose one - and not the Mombassa one, as there are the mentioned minor states there, nor the Abidjan one, as that's already French. Lordganon 17:54, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

I'm aware the river was names after someone named Orange. I just made that up so it's easier for me to remember. The Orange River is really close to orange-producing regions, so why not. Cite me if I'm wrong. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 06:33, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

The nearest such region is South Africa, near the cape, which has a very different climate from where you're talking about. The Orange River Basin for the most part is far too dry even try to support such a crop without modern help, which you're a hundred or more years off of, and even where its not you're not getting at for a long time. Unless it just rained, which obviously only lasts for a very short time in spring, the area is is desert scrubland or outright desert, until you get quite far inland. There's a reason it's only mining towns and the native bushmen in the area except right on the coast, where they depend on fishing, lol. Lordganon 13:36, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

If you say so… I misread a source that said citrus farmers were affected by irrigation, rather than citrus farming necessitated irrigation. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:00, March 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Somebody knows what means Edo in Russian?Collie Kaltenbrunner 21:19, March 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nothing, but it's the name of a tribe, and an otl province, in that area. Lordganon 22:11, March 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * What happened that 1829 don't start?Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:54, March 10, 2011 (UTC)