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WWII Question
You seem like a pretty friendly guy and it says you're a WWII expert, so here goes. I'm thinking of doing a timeline based on Hitler being shot and killed in the First World War. I've heard a lot about how even without Hitler, someone like him would have risen up regardless. This seems likely. I was wondering if you think this is plausible and if so, who it would be? Would the Nazi Party still be responsible, considering Hitler was the one who practically rebuilt it? Would it be another nationalist party, or possibly Communists? If you could answer any of these questions or point me out to someone who can, I'd be very grateful. Thanks in advance! Doctor Evulz (talk) 04:06, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you a lot! Good luck with Best New Contributor.

Doctor Evulz (talk) 04:33, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, I was wondering if I could ask you a favour: Could you perhaps post on PMII for the Wettin Lands for me? My iPad is being annoying and doesn't load the page past 1562, I'm on holiday and away from my PC, so I can't post on PMII. Thanks, Callumthered (talk) 00:53, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, probably for a fair few turns. I am really indebted to you for this. Callumthered (talk)

Yeah sure, I believe our royals are loosely related, so go ahead. Also, if the Catholic-Kappelist War starts, the WL would like to invade Altmark. Thanks again for this. Callumthered (talk)

I need to know what is going on exactly with europe, kappelists and such, also what is up with the IMG? it is chaired by Bavaria, but is still a private, independent business, it has never been directly ruled by Bavaria since the late 14, early 15 hundredsAndr3w777 (talk) 00:27, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

k got it, now that we are closer to hour zero(when i begin) how will things work, i know i declare independence and become a pro kappelist state, but what of my current catholic alliances?Andr3w777 (talk) 02:01, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

FTBW
I would like to thank you for the nomination of French Trafalgar, British Waterloo for the Stirling Awards this year. It's still a long way from done, but the broad overview of the story is finished.

With that, I would like to offer you the chance to help me with it. University and life has been getting in the way of me spending as much time as I have, but with your interests, I'm sure you would be a great help to me in fleshing out the world more than what I have done so far. As well, you seem pretty good at photo shopping, and I'm, well, not. If you would like to help, please let me know!

Lieut. Tbguy1992: Profile; Talk 23:01, December 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Pretty much. If it's not explicitly states somewhere in the "Main" articles (the ones with dates, ex: French Trafalgar, British Waterloo (1805-1831), its open for change/revision/edit/alternate historification. If you have any questions, ask, and I will answer as soon as possible. If there are some things in the main articles that don't make sense, let me know.


 * As for Photoshopped pictures, if you find something anywhere that looks like it could use a picture, make it and show it, and I will okay it. If you know sports, movies, television or music, feel free to start working with it. Except for video games, I never was much of a cultural savant lol.


 * Lieut. Tbguy1992: Profile; Talk 04:31, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

Stronger Latinoamerica
hi scraw, could you tell me what is the most asb-biased part of my timeline, so i can change it without changing the premise of the TL Stronger Latinoamerica  Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:46, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

well, mexico is going to break up but later in a similar way to the american civil war, lousiana falls to the spanish in 1815 after another attempt of reconquest,Oregon would become part of the british empire, and that should be plausible because i've seen many cases in tl that the british have it, and the Latinoamerican nations can be world power but would face harder situations than america, but it is possible considering many have resources to be world powers and the Florida is a Dominion of the spanish who still domain argentina, so even if the spanish didn't had the massive empire they should still be capable of sustaining the colony Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:55, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

Napoleonic Europe Revised!
Hey I made the Third Napoleonic Europe Map Game!Napoleonic Europe Revised! (Map Game)The old baby (talk) 15:48, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

Since you are sub mod I want you to always write the beginning mod event. I will write the beginning mod events sometimes, and you will know because there will already be writing there, and you could add to it if you want.

ATL Touhou Project
You bet! :D

It'll be Chinese and it shall take place in Japan.

To start, what could the two main characters be and what shall be the main theme of the game (Like Buddhist/Taoist/Shinto)? I was thinking maybe Seiga Kaku & Toyosatomimi no Miko or Ichirin Kumoi & Minamitsu Murasa as two main characters (well at least who look closest to them). Unless you have any other ideas. -Kogasa 2012年12月31日 05:22:35 (JST)

Here is what I got done so far. Let me know what you think.

Also should the characters names be in Chinese or just use the Japanese names? -Kogasa 2012年12月31日 10:17:12 (JST)

Radioactive Tide Reloaded!
You're invited to the post-apocalyptic map game, Radioactive Tide Reloaded! It has begun. Bfoxius (talk)

Very well, shall I announce the Bavaria Succession? Also, I will declare all non Catholic Alliances null except for Venice due to the IMG, we will not bother Venice.Andr3w777 (talk) 18:51, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, could I have some help with the National information page? I need to update all of the player's stats, using the rules from RT Revised, based on their actions for this turn. I also need to add Persia. Could you help? CourageousLife (talk) 22:51, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

All you have to do is read a post, and if they do something that corresponds with points on this page, then you add or deduct points accordingly. And I'm not asking you to do the whole page by yourself, I wouldn't ask you to do that. I just need some help, because I'm getting off break and can't sift through all of them by myself. CourageousLife (talk) 23:29, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Here's a thought -

Everyone is claiming to find old technology and is trying to make their own. So, to prevent a lot of implausibility, here's what I think we should do:

Set up another chart under the National Information page. Each turn that they research these technologies, we give them a number from Random.org that shows their progress. For example -

Sampleland discovers old firearms technology and starts to reverse engineer it.

There will be different values for each technology. Lets say firearms is 1 - 5% (meaning that it will take at least 20 turns to fully research guns). Go to Random.org and set the perameters for 1 and 5. The resulting number is plugged into their score. Say Random.org gives you a 4. That 4 is added to their current score on the National Information page.

Here are some basic values I've come up with:

Teir 1:


 * Steam engine: 1 - 20 (minimum of 5 turns research)


 * Engine: 1 - 10 (minimum of 10 turns research)


 * Firearms: 1 - 5 (minimum of 20 turns research)

Teir 2:


 * Radio: 1 - 5 (minimum of 20 turns research)


 * Military vehicles: 1 - 20 (minimum of 5 turns research)

Teir 3:


 * Computers: 1 - 5 (minimum 20 turns research)


 * Airplanes: 1 - 5 (minimum 20 turns research)


 * Nuclear Weapons: 1 - 5 (minimum of 20 turns reseach)

The reason they are in teirs is that they require a technology from the previous teir to be unlocked. For example, you would not just be able to research airplanes. You would need to research the engine, then military vehicles, and then airplanes, for a total of 35 turns research.

So, what do you think?

CourageousLife (talk) 00:04, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Napoleonic Europe Revised Map
Has been fixedThe old baby (talk) 20:39, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

I have returned...
After a period of exodus, I have at long last returned to this website. I can see that you have been productive, now having the second most badge points on the wiki.

Anyways, anything really new going on here? Any fun new map games I could get involved in?

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 21:01, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I am back. I never lost interest, I just needed time to recover and focus on school for a little bit. Hopefully I will not leave this time.

Happy New Year to you as well!

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 21:21, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Maximum Systema Revival
Now that I am back, I think it is about time that we return to this timeline. I am working on a new map of Earth, one that is purely physical, disregarding any political features. We can work out Humanity's history later.

What do you say?

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 23:13, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Here is my first proposal of an Earth map, but we need to work together on the Pacific area.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 23:22, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, so my plan didn't quite work. So what now, You've won. Will you allow Bavaria's indepedence or subgigate its people? I am open to options, we fought, you won. Fair deal. Also what the fuck is going on with the Caliphate and Russia? Andr3w777 (talk) 05:20, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

you cant take all that land though, your only entitled to 13%. I will not give up Baden, or traditional Bavaria(which OTL was indepedent)Andr3w777 (talk) 05:34, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

FUCK, NO SCRAW. INVADE POLAND AND I WILL RIP BRANDENBURG TO SHREDS AFTER THE CALIPHATE. LX AND I HAVE A PLAN GOING ON, WE'RE RETURNING IN 1576 AND CRACKING THEM BASTARDS OPEN. FUCKING TOUCH POLAND, AND I WILL SHOVE THAT PARTICULAR DECISION SO FAR UP YOURS, I'LL PULL IT OUT YOUR MOUTH.

Ok, I'm sorry, please excuse the language and the threats in the above paragraph. It's fun to vent. Sorry. Really. I'm not mad- the caliphate did us a favor, cos when we come back, we'll be revolutionary and get a *1.5 to drive them out. But our trusted allies backstabbing us in that process would really not help. Seriously. Just don't. Please.

Majorly implausible these guys are going, hmm? I mean, they shouldn't have even arisen, but now, they've really fucked the poodle here.

The Royal Guns (talk) 21:32, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Happy 9,000 edits! Anyways I have a few things to discuss but I probably will not see them until tomorrow.(Busy). First off, our worst nightmare has just happened in PM2; the Caliphate now borders both of us! As soon as they collapse, me and Venice will most likely destroy Burgundy due to possible colonial issues(maybe, Collie and I are figuring that part out-- we understand that you do not particularly like them, so we'd like to know if you would partake). In other news, West Frankia(in MW) and Italy are about to assault some sort of state. Maybe we should catch the christians while they are at war and invade? Just a thought.AP (talk) 06:01, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, in MW we have a reason to go to war with the Byzantines; they invaded and conquered a Muslim nation, Crete. They are currently holding the Emir hostage in Constantinople. In fact, the Cretan Emirate recognized your suzerainty. I suggest a full-on invasion using the Emirate's downfall as a casus belli.AP (talk) 09:10, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

No, don't fucking see. Do. Please. Our allies screwing us over at this point  really won't be helpful.

Anyway, don't you have some fairly minor huge civil wars going on in the HRE? Worry ye not, Russia shall return... with a lot more land as we shove it up their Caliphial arses.

The Royal Guns (talk) 20:30, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

You don't control the HRE so you can't guarantee that at all. Not to mention the fact this stupid deal will go against my entire plan of the Mahdi. No dice.

I will offer you something which suits us both much better though. You agree to bow down and let the Mahdi destroy Brandenburg in a 1 year war. This frees you from the constraints of the HRE and reduces your recent wars penalties, thus putting you in prime position to pick up the pieces once the Caliphate is destroyed. I'll also expand the area you get as a successor state once the Caliphate collapses to be larger than the territory you currently control as Brandenburg. That is a pretty sweet deal considering the time constraints and power deferences. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 23:20, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Best be quick, we invading you soon. I'll post later today, got maps and algorithms to make first. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:17, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Ah you read the Mahdi stuff, well we've had 1 earthquake so far, and I was going to do one this turn and the final earthquake in the last year of the Mahdi. Jesus will appear in the 7th year too. I may have Jesus lead the invasion of Italy or Spain, he gets discovered in newly conquered Morocco perhaps? Other signs will be added too. But its just a period of super expansion by probably the greatest general, leader and fraud who ever lived. I thought it was a good story to go with :P VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 00:36, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Love the new word implauying. Pretty cool. (DeanSims: Talk) 01:11, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Multiple things
OK I have several things.

1- You know all those turns we were expanding our colonies by 3000 sqkm in PM2? Collie said that the bonus is 100sqkm not 1000 and that we misread the thing. He said he would consider those expansions as 2100sqkm when he is making the map.

2- MW I've made a rough map of winnings for our victory against the Byzantine infidels,

3- Are you interested in making a map game? I feel like AvARE will die soon and the other 2 map games right now(World at War and Congress of Vienna) are straight-up implausible. AP (talk) 06:17, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Return of the King
Well, I see I must thank you considerably for taking care of the Wettin Lands during my absence. I am truly indebted to you.

Would you mind giving me a brief summary of events since I left? I have skimmed through the page, but there's an awful lot to read!

Thanks again, Callumthered (talk) 09:19, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Le Nouveau Joue
So, back to the map game. Not only is it a perfect time to start one, but there is also so many ideas. I have one idea I like that I've never seen (at least in my time) here on the wiki. Everything is like WWI or II. I suggest we find some way of making a game in which we create a POD which plausibly makes the War of Spanish Succession end with a Franco-Spanish victory(and later personal union, inheritance, the whole 9 yards). Let me know.--AP

A New Game?
Can you look at this and let me know what you think? I am thinking of restarting this.

This game.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 04:36, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

The Caliphate is attacking the HRE in Bohemia, and is about to directly attack Brandenburg. The United Kingdoms of Bavaria and Thrungia, are not Kappelist, merely independent, if you so choose, we can enter one last war to help stop the Caliphate, providing you not attack our lands in the future(my plan was to turn Bavaria into the OTL Swiss, the bank of Europe, nuetral but also very pro HRE)Andr3w777 (talk) 16:34, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

PMII
Seeing as the Caliphate is one day from dead, can we make a deal here?

The first problem towards the Federation that Lx and I are working on is Caliphial and Russian Europe- basically, in 1576, we're all independent, but split up. In Poland, there will be a war between the Secessionists and the Federationists, which the Federationists will win, partially because they have the Royal Family's support, partially because there will be half a million Russian troops on their side.

Here, there's a quandary, because we both, I'm sure, would rather focus on reuniting our own nations, before screwing over our allies. You'll want to deal with your situation in Germany, us in Poland and Central Asia. So, why don't we get a truce here? If we untie our empire first, we won't screw you over; if you do so first, yopu won't screw us over. We weren't really planning to attack any of our allies, but it's better to be safe than sorry.

The Royal Guns (talk) 20:05, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

^You don't have half a million troops to help Poland. The Federationists in Poland are tiny as they were the ones all killed by the Caliphate when we invaded! Other Russian states (which you've only controlled for 100 years at most) will also rebel away. The Russian Federation is NO MORE! You'll need to make a new one. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 17:39, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Are you people incapable of listening to others?

Let me repeat this, again.

The areas of Muscovy and Novgorod that were ours at the time of the Federation's start will NOT rebel away. The Caliphate controlled Russia for around 5 years. In that time, no one was born who then grew up and lived under the Caliphial regime. In Muscovy and Novgorod, Every one thought they were Russian (And I mean part of the Federation), have thought they were Russian, lived as a Russian, and will CONTINUE to live as a Russian.

Are you seriously telling em that this doesn't occur? France was completely overtaken by the Germans during WWII, as was Poland, and half a dozen other states. What's the difference? Everyone there hated the oppressors as much, if not less, than the Russians hated the Caliphials. And when they came back, there was no trouble, because the government had survived by fleeing to another country- AS DID OURS.

As for Poland, We certainly do. Half a million is around 5% of the Russian population outside Poland and Central Asia. The total army force here would be some 10%, though, because we've activated the Druzhinas and other such militias, who are government trained soldiers each man.

And, by the way, according to the 'Red Rose', they were slaying all Christians. And, in any case, how are said rogues getting from the middle of Asia to Poland? Muscovy, ok, Novgorod, ok. Poland? If they found out that Poland had fallen, they'd have started moving in 1571... and reached Poland JUST in time for the Great Insurrection.

So, since the governments all survived, no, we don't need to make a new Federation. Since the Core Russian areas have remained, yes, we can salvage the Federation. And since that core area has over 1 million troops avalible- as well as the firmly Federationist Red Hand Militants- Yes, we can conquer the new segments.

The Royal Guns (talk) 20:31, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

What's more, even according to the map, Muscovy and Novgorod survived, albeit without many of their provinces. Now, according History atlas, Russia had 15 million people at this time, living in the Tver, Rostov, Novgorod, St.Petersburg, Muscovy area.

And, actually, what you don't seem to bloody understand is that the entire government apparatus survived- in exile, in Scandanavia. So, exactly how is anything annulled?

On the other hand, I see you kindly added 9% of yourself to Poland. Thank you, I'll be sure to show my appreciation after We've reconquered Poland.

After all, Poland does have a popualtion of 12 million. It was a little lower than that OTL, plus the population boom, minus the Red Rose, gets us the figure of 12 million. Funnily enough, that's also a figure of more than 10X your six digit population.

Have fun!

The Royal Guns (talk) 20:58, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

That was a response to Von, actually. I ought to have posted it on his page. Sorry.

We won't attack you for that, of course. It's just that Poland won that war.

And you.

The Royal Guns (talk) 20:14, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

You home? CourageousLife (talk) 20:27, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Does he know?

And I think I'll buy them. I'll see how it goes. CourageousLife (talk) 21:25, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Mhmm... well, then I should buy them before something happens CourageousLife (talk) 21:34, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Here's a thought - Incas. Haven't posted, sub-European tech standard, big collapsable Empire. What do you think? CourageousLife (talk) 00:51, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

The only problem is distance. Getting ships there wouldn't be easy, and it's relatively far. CourageousLife (talk) 00:54, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

So, hear this. Wait until we capture Colombia, then we have a closer base of operations to launch from. CourageousLife (talk) 01:02, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

What about OTL Spain? They took out the Aztecs and Incas in the space of 5 years from Spain itself! Scandinator (talk) 02:14, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

I'm having internet problems. If I dont post by 12 am Wednesday, you can post for me should *ahem* something go down. CourageousLife (talk) 21:39, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

States of America 5 Reloaded
Hey I'm trying to get the game back up again so join if youre interested

CommanderOfTheFourthReich 01:21, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

We could try all of what you suggested. I think I am confined to the weekends for now, and map games might have to be put of... sadly.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 03:30, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

Same way the Spanish did it.AP (talk) 01:20, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Semantics. They're still tribal.AP (talk) 01:26, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Actually wait. Sine, metagaming as always, just invaded them.

I for one will not stand for it. If his attack checks out(i ruled against it but i have to see what the others say), Venice and I will probably go to war.AP (talk) 01:33, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

US Map
I'm looking for a blank wiki style map of just the United States... sort of like the electoral maps I have for NW, only using the actual United States contours. I can't seem to remember where I got the original for my NW one :P

KingSweden (talk) 02:13, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah that should help with my political map actually.

KingSweden (talk) 02:44, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Nothing is happening for a while. The Huron are located on that peninsula and other areas. While nothing will happen to you right now, something will if you keep commenting on our discussions as per what we wrote at the very top of the page.AP (talk) 03:53, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, you know what it's not my fault that I am a bit edgy. I get a little too sucked into the game sometimes and im sorry for that. I am expanding to Lake Erie but I'm not locking you out of anything. I just want to lead the country into the future and become a world class nation. If I had to guess, it'd be our two nations as the most prominent by the 1900s. AP (talk) 04:22, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

I'm on now, chat? I'm still attached to V and i'm in personal union with P.

My spelling changes to Principia Moderni II (Map Game)
Why did you change all my spelling corrections?

EoGuy (talk) 05:04, January 16, 2013 (UTC)



Pennsylvania and a few other areas. Weren't we going to discuss plans in chat?AP (talk) 03:50, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

I don't know about you, but things are going south in PMII. And I think much of it is due to one of our friendly neighborhood mods (is he even a mod? His name isn't on the list). Did you see the Caspia argument on the talkpage? CourageousLife (talk) 13:57, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Colonies for Sale
The colonies are now up for sale. Additionaly, I'm asking for assistance in recapturing the rebellious southern provinces. CourageousLife (talk) 17:33, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Well, Aragon was never on my plans, so agreed.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 20:05, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

You needn't worry, this plan is post HRE.Andr3w777 (talk) 00:43, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Texas colony
It seems rather interesting, so basicaly you are offering a trade, texas colony for canada?-Lx (leave me a message) 01:30, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Photoshop
If it's not too much, can you try to change Youmu's hair colour to purple, like similar to Patchouli's hair colour please? -Kogasa 2013年1月21日 03:28:51 (JST)

What the hell are you doing? You have no jurisdiction over Bavaria, which is free. You do not touch my nation. The north is ethnic Bavarian, has been for a century or more. I don't understand what I've done but I won't stand for that, it is implausable. No rules have I broken. Leave my nation alone.Andr3w777 (talk) 06:10, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Re: PMII title
Sorry, I was doing it in-character, no offense or indignation intended. ;) Callumthered (talk)

We already fought the war for independence. Brandenburg and Bavaria struck a deal, You would leave me be, and I would fight for the Empire during the war. Which I did. I also sent extra monetary aid to Brandenburg to help recover after the war.Andr3w777 (talk) 18:31, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

I only posted that I wasn't, numerous times. It isn't my fault they should've asked me first. As for the collapse thing, what is it you exactly plan here? I was hoping to war on Bohemia or Austria for land, but naturally didn't want to risk war with the Empire, check scans page, I posted a map of the proposed partitions. Andr3w777 (talk) 18:38, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

I've got nothing against muslims in India and I know it would be muslim dominated if it wasn't for the Brits. And where did you get the thing against Sikhs from? I have said nothing against Sikhs.

In PMII, Orissa is extremist because it was harshly ruled over by muslims and the Raja wants revenge. If you are refering to the post on Enclave's wall as well, I will say that hindus will die too, 20 million minimum.

The thing with my actions are that if you ever get too many muslims in a hindu country, they will rebel, they will probably be suppressed, and a civil war would break out. Now muslims in these cases would be at a disadvantage because there are more hindus. That is what I try to show and y leaders behave the way they do.

On a sidenote, what was your map for MaxSysa? Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:14, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Sounds Great
Sounds Great. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 21:33, January 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Scraw, btw, before I forget, my refusal is mainly because Sweden has troops over in Baltia and Poland. If you could remove them from there..? Fed (talk) 01:03, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Re:SVG
I would hope that it is the same with either a PC or a Mac (I use PC, can't speak for you). I assume you are wanting to download a Wikipedia files, which is really simple to do. Just go to the file, select it (as you would for any file download from Wikipedia). Right-click it, and select "Save Page As". This will be the same as "Save Image As", and all you need to do is select where you want the file to be downloaded to (desktop, etc). The only problem will be that you won't be able to view it with any standard paint program as with PNG, which means you will have to upload a Vector program. I use Inkscape, which is freeware and very easy to use.

I hope this helps. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 01:36, January 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Glad I could help. If you need anything else, I'll be here. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 01:41, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Be careful with categories
Just to let you know, I was in the middle of editing the  when you added a category. That automatically removed all the hard work I was in the middle of, and forcing me to redo it all over again. Please be careful when adding categories, and try and stay away from pages which were just added. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 17:34, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe expand it to Canada.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 21:03, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Hello future emperor of Germany. About Burgundy, I think that they've been too active for us to win enough to be worthwhile. We should instead openly support the Dutch and Flemish revolutions(which will leave Burgundy without a coastline and therefore unable to colonize).AP (talk) 00:58, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

If they (foolishly) try to take their coast back, then we strike since we'll be allied with Holland and Flanders. Knowing Sine, he'll definitely try to do that(IE Medieval world, etc)AP (talk) 01:05, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Oh and about the colonies, I'll supply your Iroquois war through New Norway. Remember that you'll have to recolonize the Canadian peninsula. Exclaves are almost always striken out remember that you can still creeate a second colony(Vinland doesn't count).AP (talk) 01:08, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

AVA Reborn
Thank you for stopping Greece switching sides, I have given them loads of guns, machine guns and a few tanks in 3 posts, which they should copy in there factories and use!The River Nile-2 (talk) 01:16, January 24, 2013 (UTC)/Australia.

Australia requests a RNG be done on an it's entry.The River Nile-2 (talk) 22:06, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Australia note's France's fall and wants a final RNG on New Calidonia joiningAustralia or Vichy France.The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:56, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Michigan
Hm. Our official border for colonization for a while is the Appalachians. Michigan might be too much, your exclave colony would theoretically be another colony. I think you should just get rid of the New York Indians and then go back to Canada and once you have the peninsula, then you can shoot for the rest of the Great Lakes. If anyone went to war with the Ohio indians, it would be me since I have a real border with them.AP (talk) 01:26, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

I think they're a bit too far inland though but by all means. I will be focusing on southern expansion and some to the north. I think we should divide up the regions. Like the Old Northwest for you and the Old Southwest for me since it makes geographical sense.

You could do an updated conference of Berlin to sort out who claims what. CourageousLife (talk) 01:43, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Ah well, it was worth a shot. CourageousLife (talk) 01:53, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think I'm up for territorial concessions. Maybe if it was like two pixels wide or something.AP (talk) 02:07, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Deal but what 2px will i get? XDAP (talk) 02:12, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe something Ohio-related or Newfoundland-related.AP (talk) 02:16, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

do not cross out my algorithms, it wasnt even done. (DeanSims: Talk) 18:08, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

noits not the end of the story, invading Germany as Italy is perfectly fine, and im doing a fair algorithm which ill probably lose, so chill. (DeanSims: Talk) 18:14, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

its not worthless and its not implausible, the union of OTL between Germany and Austria was through threats

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss#Schuschnigg_announces_a_referendum

Re: Soviet Spain
I wouldn't doubt that Spain had a good chance of becoming communist (in fact, there are several timelines and OTL groups that existed ). I would also guess that if it happened in the wake of WWI (a la Russia OTL), then there would be little the world could do. As for any radical Russians leaving the motherland to spread communism sounds about right (they had support in Mexico and Colombia IIRC; even Trotsky was exiled to Mexico). However, I would only add that Franco would not lead this. He was fascist, not communist, and the two go as well together as matter and anti-matter (i.e. no). I would say do some more research, because there should be others more suited to be "Spanish Stalin" here (but I couldn't say). --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 20:53, January 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah! Well then, you should be careful in your wording, because "Bolshevik" practically means communist. So pretty much what you are looking into is just Franco's Spain but with a massive reconstruction program (a la Stalin's USSR or even Hitler's Germany). Am I correct? --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 21:54, January 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay, just making sure. Then I am not too sure why you are needing my advice. Franco was leader OTL, and the only real question would be whether or not he would begin works projects. While I can't speak for him, I wouldn't find it too far fetched for him to buildup Spain, so go for it. I would assume he does not start WWII. I would also add that if he become more "Stalinish", I would be curious as to how he would handle relations with Latin America. Just a thought, since Hitler was pretty imperialistic (can't speak for Franco), it might be funny to see Franco promote an irredentist view towards the Spanish-speaking world (a la Napoleon's early views towards regaining Louisiana and Canada during the Napoleonic Wars). Just a thought. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 22:26, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Oh? My bad. But as I said before, the end result is Franco in power. I am not an expert on him, so I can't give you a total answer. However, from what I know and can pick up, I see no real problem with your idea. It is also noted that the other side of the Russian Civil War (had the Whites one) could have easily become fascist. So no, I don't see any problem with a Russian Revolution-like event happening in Spain, ending with a fascist victory. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 22:58, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Italy accepts the non-agression pact and offers Sweden a secret offer to have Italy join the Allies when the Germans begin to lose steam, wed join the allies now, but wed like to surivive a bit longer. (DeanSims: Talk) 14:12, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Axis vs Allies: Reborn
Australia will decide on joining the Allies in the next turn.The River Nile-2 (talk) 20:10, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Axis vs Allies: Reborn
Australia will decide on joining the allies net turn.The River Nile-2 (talk) 20:08, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Congrats, SS!


Well done, SS - you were voted the best new contributor on this wiki in 2012! Lordganon (talk) 11:11, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

AvARb
Sweden: Pick two. Germany: Also I would like to take out a Danish city. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:24, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hamburg
 * Prague
 * Munich
 * Oslo
 * somewhere in the Baltics
 * Gothenburg
 * Copenhagen.

Agreed. And I hope we can move on from the last dispute.AP (talk) 22:34, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Oops lol. Wasn't thinking. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:39, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

I invite you to join forces with me to invade Germany from the north. Or maybe me from the north, you take from the west. Scandinavia shall destroy Germany. It's just Tyskland, no more than that. We'll divide Germany, and Scandinavia will have more weight in Europe. Maybe we can be superpowers in an ATL Cold War, and have France + Britain as our allies. We will become the biggest nations, stretch down to Austria, Czechoslovakia, Vichy France and border Italy + France. Regards, Laptop_Zombie 03:22, January 28, 2013 (UTC).

I support you, but only if you let me take those duchies they take from me - Schleswig, Holstein, Oldenburg etc. and I want to take Hamburg at least. May be further though, but if we can make Germany our vassals at least, we can have a higher voice. Our brotherly Scandinavian alliance can't break. Right? Also in the future, should we pressure UK and France to side with us. But I think I should form the core of the alliance with you, they are the outer part. Regards, Laptop_Zombie 03:43, January 28, 2013 (UTC).

Also, we should do that earlier, right in 1945, no need to wait. Laptop_Zombie 03:46, January 28, 2013 (UTC).

Can we cooperate in nukes? I'm starting that research now. Regards, Laptop_Zombie 03:48, January 28, 2013 (UTC).

Love the new signature. Can you refresh meon how to archive, I seem to have forgotten.Andr3w777 (talk) 19:16, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

The British player has been away for a long time, ,has done little, and did not pay any attention to Malaya, Brunei, Vanuatu, the Solomon islands, Singapore, North Borneo, Burma, Suva(AKA Fiji) and Sabah. Well, to forestall chaos in the empire’s eastern holdings, Australia asks the governors to switch allegiance to better colonial rule by Australia (if tiny Vanuatu dose not, we can steam roller it. Australia has over the years inserted troops in all the listed places, except Burma). (RNG for each one please). The River Nile-2 (talk) 00:23, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Your new sig
Scraw, I have to say that is legitimately the absolute coolest signature ever.

Please, teach me how to make one.

The Royal Guns (talk) 01:21, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

yes please, when you do, leave a small reference so I'll know how to do it later.Andr3w777 (talk) 03:38, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Normal Font, TNR or Arial.

says ' Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes.'

(I'm not a Trekkie, really, but this was just too good)

color... blue and red?

Thank you very much.

The Royal Guns (talk) 23:35, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Always is a bummer returning from finals. The Royal Guns (talk) 23:46, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Regardless of location, there are certain problems that plague all of us. One of them is finals. Another is the alarming epidemic of boy bands. One we can ignore, and fortunately, it's the boy-bands.

The Royal Guns (talk) 23:58, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Private to the Scandinavian Alliance of Denmark and Sweden (AvARb)
Can we cooperate on nukes? Denmark here.

And fancy official Treaty of Friendship and/or Mutual Defense Agreement?

Regards, Laptop Zombie 09:47, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

I have a reason: Germany have nukes now, they want our strategic location. I need your nukes to protect myself and speed up my own programs. You might want to see Denmark's profile page. Regards, Laptop Zombie 11:16, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

I will join the ILEAN. Regards, Laptop Zombie 09:16, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Exploration in AWoD
Portugal would not employ Columbus. They knew how wrong he was, and had a good path to India already.

A discovery around otl is possible, I guess - but a bit later would be more likely, in my opinion. More or less like how they discovered Brazil otl.

Either that, or the English with Cabot.

No way it happens earlier than otl.

Lordganon (talk) 11:49, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Such a PoD would be centuries back - basically negates everything else you have written.

Overall, the period of exploration is pretty time-limited. Events that occurred more or less dictate that it's going to start around the same time as otl.

The article looks reasonable enough, I suppose. That being said, more paragraphs is probably a good idea.

Lordganon (talk) 09:48, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Help
Could you clarify whatb he means and give him the help he needs, since I don't know how to d a algritum.


 * how do i get my edit count for the algorithm on Axis vs Allies, I could use your help please. (DeanSims: Talk) 20:22, January 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * ll ask a mod.The River Nile-2 (talk) 20:43, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you.The River Nile-2 (talk) 20:52, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, I apreciate it (DeanSims: Talk) 23:18, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

If the war is over, who has what? I had wanted a sizable portion of southern Bohemia.Andr3w777 (talk) 00:08, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

ILEAN (AvARb)
Here's the new page. Regards, Laptop Zombie 11:04, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

3 Algarithums  need checking/doing-
http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Axis_vs_Allies:_Reborn_%28Map_Game%29#Northern_War

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Axis_vs_Allies:_Reborn_%28Map_Game%29#Japanese_Inasion_of_Bhutan_and_Nepal

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Axis_vs_Allies:_Reborn_%28Map_Game%29#Japanese.28With_DITO_support.29_Invasion_of_India

Thank youThe River Nile-2 (talk) 23:06, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Decolonialization can start-
The Dominion of Ceylon and the Federation of Burma became independent in 1948. Aruchal Pradesh became part of India in 1950 (Wikipedia). Malaya, Guinea and Ghana go next in the mid 1950's. The River Nile-2 (talk) 22:27, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * 1) Philippines 1946. Now an American state.
 * 2) Newfoundland (nominally an independent dominion but under direct British rule since 1934) (1949, union with Canada); The UK's player has done it now.
 * 3) Libya 1951, but Italy was not ATL defeated in  North Africa by it's enemies as in OTL and still holds it.
 * 4) Anglo-Egyptian Sudan 1955
 * 5) Protectorate of Morocco France & Spain 1956.
 * 6) Ghana 1957.
 * 7) British Malaya 1957 (the Kingdom of Sarawak and North Borneo joined Malaysia a in about 1962-64)
 * 8) French Guinea 1958.
 * 9) Surinam 1959
 * 10) Source- Wikipedia.

TNT
Hey, just wondering if the Regentech wanted to be pre-existing allies with the Ie'o in TNT CourageousLife (talk) 00:03, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

I asked Imp too, so maybe we could be some kind of League of Empires? CourageousLife (talk) 00:08, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Just think about it. CourageousLife (talk) 00:13, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Germany is more powerful than you Scraw, and I honestly don't care about the status quo. Your keeping your conquests, so I am too. Got a problem with it, talk to Germany. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 00:28, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Please tell me you're retconning the Ethiopian research on nuclear weapons. If that happens, it'll be another Turkey-Zaire-every other nation ever fiasco again. As much as he doesn't want to admit it, Ethiopia does not have a "great economy" and it sure as hell doesn't have the tech or money to do something like that. Ever.AP (talk) 02:07, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Germany was.just nuked 3 times last turn, how does a nation that was nuked so easily invsde another country when.in ruins internaly, and yhere crazy dictator bonus is no longer valid. (DeanSims: Talk) 02:09, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

It's time for us to destroy the Third Reich. Nuke 'em. Also, I suppose you shall do the algorimth in your sandbox first, if we're really to win let's just go.

Also Italy & its vassals are trying to join the ILEAN. Accept or not? I suppose yes if they support us in the Invasion of Germany. Regards, Laptop Zombie 10:58, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

I have just created Nuclear Powers (Axis vs Allies: Reborn Map Game). Please help me fill that. You're a mod, anyway. Regards, Laptop Zombie 12:47, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

i added all my regions/mini republics to the algorithms to match ethiopias plans, and have ultimatley crushed them. Also I ve halted the German advacne easily adn cant wait to help you destroy Germany if you want too. (DeanSims: Talk) 19:59, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

okey dokey, whatever you say, also will you support me on adding all my little commonwealths on the algorithms? I mean why not if Ethiopias doing it. (DeanSims: Talk) 20:05, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

and how did you get a signature like that, its freaking epic!? (DeanSims: Talk) 20:26, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

are you serious???? that would be awesome! Could you do like a Narnia sword thing, or possible a taco? and one question, why did my score get lower on the German invasion, im glad of the result, and was wondering what I can do with Ethiopia since ive crushed them in both algorithms. (DeanSims: Talk) 20:30, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

actualy, surprise me with my signature, itll look great any way you make it! (DeanSims: Talk) 20:33, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

a lightsaber sounds great! also that makes sense, so ok. And with your algorithm I will make Bosnia, Croatia, and Slovenia into new Republics. which will still be Italian clients, but they will control there own internal affairs fully. (DeanSims: Talk) 20:36, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Scraw, it's... wonderful

Thank you indeed.

            "Very funny, Scotty.   Now beam down my clothes."  21:10, January 31, 2013 (UTC) Well, I would have preferred something less country specific, but it's good.

            "Very funny, Scotty.   Now beam down my clothes."  21:16, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe something like this, which I have recently decided is the coolest flag ever made =D

           <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#0000ff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FFffff" face="Arial">"Very funny, Scotty.   <font color="#000000" face="Arial" title="Bvlog">Now beam down my clothes."  21:17, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you once more. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#000000 50%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#000000 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#FF0000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">           <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#0000ff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FFffff" face="Arial">"Very funny, Scotty.   <font color="#000000" face="Arial" title="Bvlog">Now beam down my clothes."  21:21, January 31, 2013 (UTC) could you possibly use this for my signature? (DeanSims: Talk) 21:23, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

sweet, thanks dude, i found it on google then on this wiki, its a sweet mix of two cool designs! (DeanSims: Talk) 21:27, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Scraw
I do apologizes, I have had that happened to me once or twice; It is hard to know if someone is working in their page or not. Also congats on your Stirling Award.Iwaschris (talk) 02:28, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Question, weren't you forming an Anglo-German Union? Since we're expanding foreign influence i thought the British isles would be a good place to start.AP (talk) 08:19, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

AvARb
Sweden, please vote on Italian membership of ILEAN.

Also, I renewed my Minister of Foreign Affairs. No more invasion.

And I received the Faroes, Greenland and Iceland back from the UK. I'm more compaltible to you now.

Regards, Laptop Zombie 13:50, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Japan attacked Afghanistan with out an Algarithum on the talk page and is planning to whipe out Germany. Australia,Canada and S. Africa are concerned it will be suicidal, and if he has not go Afghanistan, it's impossible.The River Nile-2 (talk) 22:29, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:14, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Personally, I didn't want to get involved in a war with Germany, especially after all the help they provided to Ethiopia during WWII. As for the flag, thank you, I've been using it for a conworld nation I've been working on for the last year. Even got its own wiki. :P Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:20, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Well you really can't. Troops have to be approved by nations, and they were not. I suggest just increasing your influence in the weaker English states like Kent or Wessex like I am in Scotland. But I warn you now that the mods are making Wales very powerful(they annexed Mercia and i think the rest of southwest England).AP (talk) 02:31, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah. As soon as Scotland joins my UK peacefully, we can do that. I shouldn't take too long, their land is in chaos. I would at least like Northumbria and a little west and south. I'll support the destruction of Wales too. After that(I'm talkin years) we can go after Ireland.

Dear Sweden, I want to generate an Australian - Canadian - Danish - Italian - Swedish alliance to pull down Germany ca. 1949. Please help. Anyway, it's certainly ILEAN + Australia + Canada. Regards, Laptop Zombie 14:50, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Id love to join ILEAN (DeanSims: Talk) 02:04, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Are you helping this alliance? We've only got several OTL days before the end of the ATL decade. We must act quickly. Regards, Laptop Zombie 03:12, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

So there will be democracy everywhere. No more dictatorship. No more imperialism. No more Fascism. Regards, Laptop Zombie 04:08, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Map
Please add Denmark to the map. Note I've controlled Greenland and the Faroes since 1946, also Iceland has been my vassal state since 1946 when they were all ceded back to Denmark from the UK. Regards, Laptop Zombie 04:11, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

But I'm controlling the Faroes and Greenland. If you can't have a lighter shade, just use the same color for Iceland. Back in 1946, Britain ceded. Regards, Laptop Zombie 04:49, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Fixed.The River Nile-2 (talk) 14:14, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

PS African decolonialisation occered in 1960-62, so why did AP grey Tanzanear, Ziear and Gabon and not even add a mod event freeing them.The River Nile-2 (talk) 14:14, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

I've just pulled out of W. Indonisia and Banda Ache after a ATL rebellion like the OTL Dutch had in 1948-49. It will create 2 grey states for new players and will make an interesting event for the game! The River Nile-2 (talk) 15:21, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

''Note- Banda Ache and West Indonesia will become grey states open to a new player. Australia will have free trade deals with them and a military base in the capitals to prevent a takeover by others player states unless the mods kick the Aussies out or new players take the nations over, making the Aussie troopers obsolete. PS, I cant cheet fate, alter the basic psyche of Indonesian brains or see the map get cloured and/or boring in to soon.''The River Nile-2 (talk) 15:21, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

RNG reqired on militery activity in Myamar/Burma and New Zealand/Australin political treatys.The River Nile-2 (talk) 22:48, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

1914 British Fire
Would you like to Join? Wavy? What now, its so bouncy (talk) 19:35, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Aragon PMII
I'd be glad to help out a faithful ally. However. I'm not exactly sure how I can help. Do you want military support? Or diplomatic support? Callumthered (talk)

AvARb
Please do the algorimth for the Dutch Revolt. Regards, Laptop Zombie 12:56, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

We have a new user on the game, Chao101 (talk), and he wishes to have a talk with some of us on how one dose a map game.The River Nile-2 (talk) 00:17, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

I would love to have you join my new map game, please tell others. http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/The_Rebellion_(Map_Game) DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

concerning your edit on Avaro Reborn, i didnt replace your edit, i just had all te cahnce done already and you edit blcked me, so it ought if i undid it it might show up. Also Tunisa ends up with 26, could you aid in the invasion please well give your free oil for 50 years. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 00:55, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Are we adopting a multiple recent wars deduction for the algorithm in AvAReb?AP (talk) 04:59, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

AvAReb: Is Canada not allowed to have a land claim in Antarctica?
Just wondering why my map revision regarding the claim of OTL Ross Dependency was Undone? I can understand if i was not accepted into the Antarctic treaty conference. Just wondering.

OreoToast555 05:48, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Some New Things...
I am back again! But anyway... Regards,
 * 1) Do you think we should try to start up Battle for Earth again? Seems a shame to let all our efforts in that fail. Dravimos forever!
 * 2) Do you play Victoria 2 by any chance? I downloaded it, but there is an error that is preventing me from playing it.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 16:53, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

What is the name of this battle for earth game, and are the Dravimos present?

And with regards to Victoria 2, do you know anyone I could ask?

Thanks,

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 16:58, February 10, 2013 (UTC)