User talk:Fxgentleman

Signatures
Please don't sign article pages, that is only meant for talk pages. Thank you. Mitro 18:02, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Stars
Why do you always put a star at the beginning of the title? Also you don't need to manually add pages to categories. As long as you add the category to the article, the article will be added to the category automatically. Mitro 23:48, October 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * I removed your link to Jordan not because something was wrong with the idea, but because you are not supposed to add links to category pages like that (see my above message). Add categories to the article itself and Wikia will add a link to the category page automatically. Also making table of contents is easy, you just need to add section headers. I did so on your Israel article. Mitro 23:54, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again for the help. Apparently, we keep responding to each other while the other is typing. I kept adding the asterick because I thought it was to create the little box next to the article. So my apologies for the faux pas on that. As to my article on Jordan, I didn't think you removed it because you had an issue with it. I thought perhaps I had goofed again in how I entered it and wanted to know what I had done. So no problem. So just for my future understanding (still learning this as you can guess), I add a new article through the category section on the proposal page versus editing the page? By the way, I took your suggestion and posted my thoughts on Israel and Jordan on the Asia page. I hope that was the right area. --Fxgentleman 00:08, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * So just for my future understanding (still learning this as you can guess), I add a new article through the category section on the proposal page versus editing the page?
 * I'm not sure I completely understand what you are asking, but I will take a stab at it: If you want to propose a new article only thing you have to do is create the article and add the proposal template to the top of the article. The template will add the article to the proposal category for you. To properly add the template just post this at the top of the page:  .
 * Also see the for more info. Mitro 01:09, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

My apologies if I did not make my question clear Mitro. Having read the editorial guidelines previously, I am guessing there are one or two things I am unclear about. So, my question is this: If I want to add an article to the proposed page, such as Jordan, do I go to the page and click on edit and add the name Jordan (Doomsday: 1983) with the double brackets on both sides and just don't make the past mistake of adding the asterick? I guess I was confused by what you wrote earlier and was unsure if this was the correct way to do this, which I thought, or was I supposed to click on the add category section at the bottom of the proposal page and put the file name in there. Thanks.--Fxgentleman 01:21, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * No you add nothing to the proposal page/category. As I said before you create the article and add the proposal template at the top. The template adds it to the proposal page/category for you. That is all you need to do to get to the proposal page/category. You don't need to add it yourself and you don't need to add an asterick in the title. Also its "1983: Doomsday" not "Doomsday: 1983." Mitro 02:16, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the clarification, I now realize what I was doing wrong. Sorry, like I said earlier even though I read the editorial instructions, I was still confused on certain points. Thank you for your patience with me. --Fxgentleman 03:16, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Trenton
An anon working on Trenton (1983: Doomsday) seems to disagree with what you wrote in Delmarva about Trenton being hit by a nuke. Thought you ought to know. Mitro 05:45, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the information, I just took a look at the article. When I first saw the Trenton article pop up earlier by Yank, I was surprised since I was aware he had read my article first which spoke about the city being hit. However, I decided not to say anything and leave it up to the community. I guess someone else wanted to take the ball and run with it on their own. --Fxgentleman 01:59, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well Trenton has been marked as obsolete so the issue is now moot. Mitro 18:35, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

What do you think?
Hello, i was trying to propose a nation in the middle east for doomsday (The United Arab States ) but they say the missle attacks on the major citys are too heavy (i said many citys such as Dubai got hit) and they directed me on you since you are th expert on the middle east for doomsday (proposal map wont load so you may have to got to new pics and find U.A.S.AfterDoomsday.png) so what do you think but please go to proposals on 1983:Doomsday to see my proposal workFascistBritan 00:55, March 18, 2010 (UTC)FascistBritian

Sorry I am just now getting around to responding, between my job on working on my articles, I have been very busy and do not always have a chance to read the board. That said, I have not seen your work, however, I was already working on my own union and posted it last Friday. Additionally, I posted articles for Saudi Arabia on March 15 and the UAE today and plan to post the others I am currently working on for Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, and Yemen, by weeks end hopefully. Although I appreciate your thoughts, since I started work on this region several months ago, I have been researching and mapping out where I wanted to take it. Given what I read in your posting on the main page since I could not locate your article, and having read up on the region, I could not find any logic as to strikes against the UAE or the rest of the Gulf States, with the exception of Saudi Arabia. The US military presence in the region, with the exception of the forementioned, did not seem large enough in my view to warrant an attack. Also, given the six major oil producing nations on the Arabian Peninsula were already in a semi-alliance and that several USAF AWACs planes were based in Saudi Arabia at the time, I think it is logical they would have warned other nations like the UAE. Having those AWACs would have been a huge factor, something other nations such as Israel did not have at the time, in that they could spot the ICBMS while in orbit and help warplanes in shooting them down. Thanks anyway.Fxgentleman 03:16, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Iran, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan
Hello Fxgentleman, I was wondering if you expressed any desire in developing Iran? I ask because you are the principal caretaker of the Muslim World, and since I am thinking about creating a quasi terrorist muslim theocracy around Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan, I wanted to do something similar with Iran, with them being a principal provider of funds and training to the country mentioned above, which would be more like a mobile military organization collecting tribute from towns in their sphere of influence. Both Iran and this organization would then work in conjunction with Pakistan to drive the USSR out of muslim countries, regardles of the local populations wishes. I'd like to hear your thoughts.--Vladivostok 19:33, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Once again hello Fx, I was wondering if you'd like to check out the Iran article and tell me what you think? I've added a lot of new content and it mostly comes from our conversation, with a couple of twists.--Vladivostok 11:13, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

So, you like what I've written about Iran?--Vladivostok 21:29, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

My apologies for not responding sooner. I have read your articles and have some thoughts. I will try and post within the next day or so. Fxgentleman 04:19, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

4 countries in Lebanon.
Hi Fxgentleman, I'm from Venezuela and my mom's parents are from the lebanese diaspora, also my dad wich come to Venezuela during Lebanon civil war, he told me that on the war Lebanon was going to separate in 3 countries, one cristian, other druze, and other sunni-shia, I have gone to Lebanon 2 times, and I know it very good, I have even go to Israel-Lebanon frontier in wich you can see UN peace makers.

I do a proposal article about Lebanon separated in 4 countries, all leaders are real exept the Sidon Emirate one. Mitro, one of the admins told me to write you because you are in charge of Lebanon so If you like the article pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! canon it.

Thank you VENEZUELA 01:10, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

I appreciate your interest in this matter, however, having done a considerable amount of research on Lebanon thus far I have mapped out where I would like to take the nation. I had examined as to whether the nation should stay together or divide. Based on my reading of the political situation in 1983, I believe the nation would have stayed united. Obviously, the nation was experiencing divisive issues, but this was in part due to interference by Syria and other nations. With them removed, I believe there will be tough times but the nation will find its own path and stay intact. The reason I had not added more up till now was because of my job and the research I was doing on the country. I will be revisting Lebanon shortly though to add where I will be taking the country. Thank you anyway for your interest, but I have to decline. --Fxgentleman 12:04, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Israel
Hi,I'm new to the AltHist wiki (Though not to wiki's in general) and have a massive intrest in israle as my family has lived thier in the past and have been jewish and I was wondering if you'd allow me to expand on it?Vegas adict 14:50, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest. However, I have been working on a history for Israel and what direction I wanted to take it since I first created the article several months ago. I plan to add on to it soon. The delay has been due to my job and the research I was doing. As such, I would have to decline. However, once I begin to post, if you have suggestions, please feel free to float them by me and I will take a look at them. Thanks again. Fxgentleman 00:55, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

No worries Fx.

Lordganon 20:53, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Problem with infobox
I believe it has something to do with what screen you use to edit. I use the pure code form, but some use rich text editing. Go to the top right corner of your screen and click on the MORE button. Select "Preferences" and then click on the "Editing" tab. Uncheck "Enable Rich Text Editing". Now anytime you try to edit the page you will see the wiki code. Mitro 14:00, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Adopting Israel
Hello, FX. I'm just going to cut to the chase, I would like to adopt your Israel page. I have noticed it is essentially a bunch of paragraphs and not up to par with most other articles. Thank you for your time. Arstarpool 01:36, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Although I appreciate your suggestion, I would politely request that you do not do any work on my article. Although I have not had a chance to work on it lately, I would prefer that you do not change or add on to it since I am the author and have a direction in which I wish to take it. If you have a suggestion, please let me know. Thank you. --Fxgentleman 03:48, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your precious time, good day sir. Arstarpool 04:05, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

You are most welcome sir and I wish you well on your own articles.--Fxgentleman 04:11, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

just to keep you up to date i've been given permission to start doing a bit of work on the Egypt page i've added that Israel launched a couple tactical nukes into the Sinai to stop the Egpytian invasion (in addition to the one that they used on Cairo) hope thats ok?--Smoggy80 16:58, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, that would conflict with what I have been working on. Would you be willing to get together and discuss the matter with me via Skype. That way we could share our thoughts in real time so I can explain where I am going on Israel. Please let me know if you would be interested in doing this. I am available today if you can talk and am on east coast time. Thanks.--Fxgentleman 18:23, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Dont have Skype sorry plus i'm on the East coast of the UK so some time difference, i'll remove the tactical nuke bit.--Smoggy80 16:15, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

I am sorry we are in such different time zones, I normally like having discussions with folks in real time rather than through here. I do have some serious concerns about the article dating back before you started work. I have been meaning to bring them to the table for sometime given the impact they have on my Israel article but have not had a chance. I am going to post them this evening when I get home from work. What kind of lattitude has Louis given you regarding the article? After I lay out my concerns, I would appreciate your imput on the subject. Perhaps we could reach a compromise. Thanks.--Fxgentleman 16:55, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Delmarvan Virginia
The Virginian Republic is expanding its territory to the east, and soon they will have a border with the Delmarvan territories in Virginia. I warn you that despite their efforts to help the other nations in the region, they are still the jingoistic nation they have always been. Unlike the pacifist Lincolnites, when the Virginians want something they take it. They aren't the type to mess around with. The whole situation with Delmarva having Virginian territory gives me a headache. Yankovic270 18:25, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Yank, given we have been down this path before you know my feelings when you approach me in this manner. I understand your are in your "role playing mode", however, I don't go in that direction nor do I appreciate being addressed like this. Rather than periodically making threats against me and the UCD or refusing to acknowledge what I have already written, why don't you try to logically approach a solution rather than behave this way? See if using Hopewell as a port is feasible. Have you ever considered the possibility of a treaty between the VR and UCD? Perhaps in exchange for say coal, maybe the UCD could allow goods to pass through one of their ports for VR? Please keep in mind as well I have every intention of returning to the UCD and picking up where I left off. --Fxgentleman 20:36, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Help?
Would it be ok if I helped you on the UCD articles? I too am a resident of Northern VA, and I know a lot about the area. This would be my first Doomsdat article, but I think I'm up to the task. BoredMatt 20:53, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Delmarva
Seeing the last edit from you on the article was exactly 3 months ago, may I adopt it? Arstarpool 15:39, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Hi Arstarpool. In regards to your request to adopt my Delmarva article, I must once again respectfully decline. That said, I wish to take a moment and explain why I am doing so. I gathered from our interaction last month that you were offended for some reason when I turned down your request to work on another of my articles. I realize you are looking for ways by which you can artistically contribute to the Doomsday Timeline and given the storyline is not as wide open (i.e. gray areas to fill in) as it was ten months ago when I joined, creates a problem for newer writers such as yourself looking for a place to work. Just as I am sure you take pride in your work thus far, I feel the same towards my articles. I have and continue to invest a tremendous amount of time researching, plotting, and writing each of my articles so they make sense and are grounded in reality. Since I do this work in my free time outside the demands of my job and other things, I rotate my attention amongst my articles to assure they can receive my full attention. As such, I am aware that some months might pass before I can return to a particular article. However, this does not mean I have abandoned any of my work. Since I have reached a point where I have created the articles I wanted, with one exception, my intention is to spend time working on what I have already created for the foreseeable future. Understandably, given this investment of time and energy, I am disinclined to allow others to adopt or work on my articles since this would take them in directions away from what I have already mapped out and invalidate the research and work I have accomplished thus far. I encourage you as one writer to another to spend more time researching and working on the articles you have already adopted or created and flesh them out more fully. I have read your work and you have laid some decent groundwork to build upon in the areas you have chosen. I hope this explanation helps and I wish you the best on your work and look forward to seeing what what you do with your articles.--Fxgentleman 06:04, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Syria
Hi, I write you because I have an idea: Why don't you do a alawite state in former Syria and a druze state in Former Syria, Thank You please answer me. VENEZUELA 00:46, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Middle East
I randomly decided to remember this 2 months later, but you said you would like to discuss my Sultanate of Turkey article in relation to the rest of your Middle East articles?

You are correct. Sorry about the delay in getting back to you since we last talked about your article. I have been running behind on a number of things as of late. However, I finally had a chance to read your article on Turkey last week and make some notes. I am actually in the process of preparing my thoughts to post to your article's discussion page. If all goes well, I hope to post either before or during the July 4 holiday weekend.--Fxgentleman 17:09, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Great. I look forward to your review. Caeruleus 04:35, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

I added some of the edits you requested. The timeline for development has been extended, more nuclear strikes were added, and another nation in Hatay province has been created. Check it out. Hope you like it.

Also, since most of the Middle East articles are now done, how bout we begin making things interesting and elaborating more on Middle East politics and alliances? I was thinking they could be based on OTL geopolitics, since the reasons for those allignments would be the same ATL. I was thinking about elaborating more on the Israel-Jordan connection and how they interact with an Egypt that's basically a Greece client state. Also, how Turkey, the GSU, and the new Syrian state would fit into these issues. Caeruleus 16:57, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Re:SNU
Can you link to the page? I can't even remember what the SNU is. :D Benkarnell 22:22, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

California and Sierra Nevada
You have yet another border problem. California has been canon for about two months, and will stay that way. Drop the Californian lands. Why don't you center it around the center of the state? You will have no border problems and you can get it graduated. Arstarpool 19:42, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

I know this is not private, but at least in is not "wide open" like the main page. I want to commend you for your civility. Alex (Arstarpool) is a mere teenager, and I am not sure what Yank's excuse is. :-)

Anyway, there is no "rule" that canonization automatically trumps a proposal. The RULE is QSS (Lat. = "What's Written is Written) and QAA ("What's Assumed is Assumed). Your article was written first, and the CR article intruded on that. This was pointed out, and dealt with - somewhat - with impeccable logic. Part of the Assumptions to be assumed is Plausibility -- that is logical consequences to conditions. You are on good stead.

Since you have Zack, a Lieutenant, as mediator, and are contacting the higher ups - the Brass (with whom you worked in formulating the article to begin with) - you have little to fear from the two "constables" whose job should be to clean up spam and vandalism.

If this catches you still awake, have a good night. More than likely, though, you turned off the computer about an hour ago, so here's wishing you a grand day! SouthWriter 05:48, July 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * I wish to solve this thing one-on-one. As for South, why is it that you parade my semi-personal information on the site? And last time I checked Yank is a teenager too, according to the page.


 * Please comment on the heading below, and only you, Fx. Arstarpool 07:07, July 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Good observation about Yank (aka Dustin McVicar), I had not caught that. Having two teenagers as the sole "constables" of this whole wiki may have been a mistake on the Brass's part. The teenage mind IS still developing both intellectually and emotionally, and that explains Yank's past tirades as well. If the truth be known, many of the other editors of these pages are probably also teenagers. My son is 25, and I have watched his maturity grow ever since he was graduated from High School. He has still to outgrow some of the teenage ways, but some sources say that his brain physiology will continue to change until he is 30 (the age of my other son). I speak from experience, Kevin. --SouthWriter 15:31, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for butting in as I am not a contributer, but as I have already been monitoring the situation between Victoria and Astoria, and looking at possible repurcussions from other local groups, I've seen the issue between the two nations and more importantly the users behind them. I have review this issue and hopefully an outsider opinion may be of some service.

Regarding Fxgentleman and the SNU, While I do not wish to criticize the amount of work you have applied to this nation the shear size is a bit questionable and even if the state had survived as well as it did. Even in that situation it's standing as a nation would be beset by the removal of the Las Vegas area and the shear amount of open area that would need to be maintained.

Regarding Arstarpool and the CR, First off, You enacted a loophole made available to you by your position, and are now attempting to use that as the basis for position your creation over one submitted beforehand. Simply put, it's a cheap move and one that quite frankly undercuts your position and argument. However putting that aside the following arguments should be made:


 * Migration and land ownership. Should Nevada have taken the minor amount of damage on Doomsday compared to the considerable damage expected in California, It is more than likely that people in the border regions would head east towards areas that are would be better suited for surviving the initial fallout, and lending their future support to those who helped them. In addition the mountains provide a natural barrier between these nations and one within the confines of this argument that is a lot more practical than a former state line that not only would be harder to patrol and maintain but would require a wasteful amount of manpower that could be put to better usage.

I could continue but I don't want to cause more issues, suffice to say, I think both proposals are good ones, and the work on both sides should be commended, but there is no reason that with some concessions (SNU should be scaled down a bit smaller) (CR should give up the lands on the eastern side of the mountains, and possibly look to incorporate more of the Sacramento Valley instead) that both of these nations could be viable for Canon status as long as everyone is willing to be flexible.
 * Growing conditions. you have questioned the ability of the SNU to grow enough crops and stated your abundance available from California. Please consider that not only has that nation placed within it's borders half of the Owens Valley (which provides a third of the water reserves for the Metro LA district, and could provide for a lot of crops for the SNU) That would have been a tactical mistake you failed to grab but also by not including Sutter County (for Yuba City) the main provider of many of California's crops (Sunsweet while primarily growers of fruit, employ and control over 50% of California (real life) crops)

California and Sierra Nevada (One on One Conversation)
So, let's end this, shall we? Arstarpool 06:58, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

This is all I want: the currently controlled territories. Rather than you taking up my nation, why don't we just have them having established contact at a certain point? Arstarpool 07:50, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Please do not "suspend dialogue with me" because you do not want to hear more arguments. We need to get this done. I will not give you additude, just let's get this show on the road.

Here is my idea for the map. I cut out larger portions of Nevada because in a post-Doomsday world, it is more difficult to control lands and thus the brunt of territory would be centered around the capital. Plus, it will get you out of the border dispute with Utah:

I think this is a very fair map. Let's just go with this, and both of our articles may become canon. Arstarpool 20:02, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Delmarva and Pennsylvania
I know we are currently at war over the SNU border but can I bring another matter up with you? Recently I have made a page on a survivor nation in Pennsylvania, and I wanted to know whether or not it can have relations with Delmarva. Arstarpool 18:00, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Irregardless of our current dispute, I have no issue with discussing other subjects with you as long as it remains cordial. That aside, I can't forsee any issues at this time regarding relations or trade between the two regions. However, I did not know their was an article on PA, so I will need to read it first before I can give you an answer. Since I will be in and out over the weekend, I will try to post my response and any other thoughts/suggestions I may have to your article's discussion page before Monday.--Fxgentleman 22:46, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Graduation for the SNU
Hey FX it looks like the SNU will finally be graduated! For your hard work and for putting up with all kinds of unnecessary road blocks, I leave you the honor to gradate the article. Feel free to do that anytime. --GOPZACK 18:58, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Embarrassed to admit, how exactly do I do this? Thanks.--Fxgentleman 03:07, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just remove that wretched ddprop template from the article. I'll handle all the other "paperwork". --GOPZACK 03:18, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

I went ahead and removed the template per your instructions.--Fxgentleman 04:34, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

I was told you had claimed the future Iraq article. Since there's no article written for it yet, do you mind if I write it? Also, I'd like to know your ideas on where to take Iraq. Caeruleus 00:12, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Also about Iraq I was thinking maybe Baghdad city state, Sunni state, Shia state. VENEZUELA 00:17, August 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * I truly doubt if Iraq would Balkanize. The area is "ancient Babylon" and has fought wars over its border with Iran. It would take an international peace keeping force in Iraq to keep the Sunnites and Shiites apart! I don't think they would settle for separate areas. --SouthWriter 01:32, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Um...you need to lay off the booze lol. The Sunni and Shia in Iraq hate each other. Why do you think they kept fighting each other after the Americans invaded Iraq? Also, modern Iraq doesn't have any popular connection to ancient Babylon. That was mostly Saddam Hussein and his ego. Caeruleus 03:13, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Didn't Joe Biden want to Balkanize Iraq a few years ago? There could be a Kurdish state in the north but I'm not too familiar with Post DD Iraq. --GOPZACK 01:35, August 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * You're right, Zack. A Kurdish state might work, but that is not quite the same thing as building little city-states. The Kurds, in OTL, have been consistent friends of the US. This is largely because that is where a large Christian community lives. I think the Kurds represent a conquered people not historically linked tightly to the Iraqis. SouthWriter 01:45, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * There already is a Kurdistan that is part of canon fyi, so that's not disputed atm. Caeruleus 03:13, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, a lot of my time and energy was diverted by the problems regarding the SNU. However, I have been ruminating over the situation for a while as where to go. What I would like to do, is to jointly work together on the article, given it impacts Turkey, Iran, and my areas. I would also be interested in doing the same for Kurdistan. Give me some time to get my thoughts together and perhaps we can begin discussing it after I get back from vacation. Most of my stuff is at home and I don't have access to it, plus I will have a lot of work to catch up on when I return home. As such, I would not be able to begin intense discussions until the end of this month. When we begin discussions, we might want to include Vlad since he wrote Iran. Let me know what you think of my proposal. Thanks.--Fxgentleman 02:59, August 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a plan. Let me know when you get back. I'll go ahead and set up the article now so we can finish it up quickly. Caeruleus 03:13, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

So long as Caer is involved, canon is an issue. While he does not directly go against it, he keeps trying to go against its nature. Look at his "options" on the Iraq talk page for more.

The thing is, while you guys plan on rewriting the canon from Iran to be from an Iraqi viewpoint, the stuff that is canon should likely have stayed.

Lordganon 14:06, September 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Seriously? You get wrapped up in the most irrelevant issues. Stuff was copied from the Iran page. We want to write something ourselves that focuses on Iraq, not Iran, and is more detailed. Fx also explained this. Move on already. Caeruleus 14:19, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

So that you know, I've now adopted the Kurdistan article, so we are free to go where we with with the Iraq article and where you want to go with your Syria articles. Caeruleus 23:26, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

We need to talk again so we can get the Iraq article finished. Also, I have some ideas about the Middle East to discuss with you. I'll be on Skype all week. Caeruleus 22:21, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Repairing Relations Between Each Other
I would like to bury the hatchet with you Fx. Considering the rude treatment I have recieved from my so-called "ally" Arstarpool, I would respectively extend this offer of peace. I would really like to work together of an article some day soon. On the subject of my past tirades, I confess to having a case of a type of Autism called Asperger Syndrome. So I have Jekyll-and-Hyde periods where I rant, and afterwards I feel really childish about it. So when I have one of these tirades, please understand. I have a mental disability that often makes it difficult to control my temper.

Yankovic270 03:02, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

I hope I don't end up regretting that confession.

Yankovic270 03:11, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry about our dispute, Yank. Why didn't you tell us earlier? I have a cousin with Aspergers so I know how to deal with it, and if you would have said that earlier I would have been sure to not be such a prick.

To Fx, I am also sorry. I truely am. It's really my fault for holding onto the lands of SNU until the very end and taking the world to hell with me, and it damaged my reputation badly. So I am sorry to both of you. Arstarpool 03:43, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe because I was afraid that it would be recieved negatively and I would be treated like some mentally retarded child. I know what an unpleasant place online forums can be to any one who is even slightly different. I didn't mention it for the same resons I don't mention it in real life. I feel severely self-conscious and ashamed about it.

Yankovic270 03:55, August 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yank, I have to admit that your confession caught me off guard. I am learning to deal with my two young grandsons, one with cofirmed "high functional" autism and the other showing signs but not diagnosed yet. Having read up on autism, I am somewhat aware of Asperger's, but not as to its symptoms. From what I've read, though, those suffering from Asperger's are likely to be very intelligent, though antisocical at times. Knowing this, it helps to understand "where you're coming from." I will take both sides of your personality into account as I evaluate your articles. Keep up the good work. SouthWriter 15:25, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

I'm thinking about adding a TV show called "Virginian Idol" to my Virginia article. I was wondering, do you have musical talent (or know somebody who does)? I have decided to, as a way of putting our disagreements aside, to make you the current Virginian Idol. That is, if you actually survive Doomsday.

Yankovic270 20:11, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Gentlemen, let me begin by saying I appreciate the fact you both have stepped forward to apologize to me concerning the bad behavior you recently displayed towards me. I am aware you do not know me very well, but I am by nature a very easy going individual, a sort of "can't we all get along" type of person. I was raised to respect others and treat them with decency, using the old adage of treating others the way you wish to be treated. Even though I don't consider myself a paragon of virtue, I have done my best to apply this philosophy in my personal and work life, especially when dealing with others via the internet. I would not be honest if I did not say I was extremely offended by the comments directed towards me regarding my SNU article, and to a lesser extent my article for Delmarva. In my world, and perhaps it is my age talking since I am in my 40s, you just don't behave like this. However, I am willing to bury the hatchet in regards to these incidents and give you both a "clean slate" as it was with the following caveats.

Yank, if you are being truthful concerning your condition, you have my deepest sympathies. None the less, you have to stop harassing me over Delmarva. The UCD will not be a member of the Dixie Alliance, since I plan to have it join the ADC. Lastly, accept once and for all that Richmond was destroyed and it has been canon since last fall. Yes being a VA native and all I think it would have been nice if it had survived, but it didn't and that should be accepted. I have to agree with others in that the VR trying to rebuild the city as a pseudo new capital makes little sense what so ever and capital would likely be one more centered to the interior of your nation.

What I would suggest to both of you is if you are upset about something, wait to respond and allow your ardor to cool first. Compose your thoughts in a word file first, study them, and see if you can explain your concerns in a manner which is respectful to the other writer before posting them to the site. Be articulate in your wording rather than yelling or throwing insults. This is what I personally do. In that I do not wish to have to through this again with either of you let me state if you have a concern you wish to share with me or a topic to discuss in the future, communicate your thoughts in a calm, respectful, and logical manner towards me and I will do my best to respond as time allows.

Lastly, if I may be allowed to offer some thoughts, I have read many of the articles you both have written and you demonstrate the ability how to effectively write. I have noted though you both seem to be concerned with creating numerous articles rather than expanding on many of those you have created or taken possession. In order for this ATL to be a living breathing history, you need to make your articles more 3D than 2D, giving them breath and depth. Do your research to give yourselves a better understanding on your topic and to ground your writing in reality than fantasy. I have seen evidence of this, so I believe you can do it. When I wrote my SNU article for example, I personally went to the Library of Congress and studied newspapers from the period around 9/25/1983 from Carson City, Reno, and Las Vegas to give me a better idea. Although research can be cumbersome at time, I believe it helps you in the end when creating. Arstarpool, I wanted to say I was sorry to see your article on Erie was unsuccessful. When I presented my research as to why I thought it could work, I was unaware of the PA article. If I had been I would have not have posted my thoughts, so my bad there.

As to the suggestion of working together on a future project (even though Yank is the only one who mentioned it) I am not adverse to the idea. It would depend on the article and if I felt I could truly contribute something. For reasons I have stated previously, I am not looking for any help with any of the articles I created for the foreseeable future. All this said, I hope this marks a turning point for the future in our interactions here. Remember, in the end we are all just doing this for fun.--Fxgentleman 01:01, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Nevada
By all means, go ahead. I am just making these for other people to fill them in. Arstarpool 02:34, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Re: 1st contact
Go ahead Fx. My only question is would the Delmervians have the falcilities to deal with an aircraft carrier like Mines Gries?HAD 08:55, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Delmarva and DC
I left a message regarding Washington DC on the Delmarva talk page. Arstarpool 04:30, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Middle East in Central World
Hi Fx, what do you think of creating the articles of the Middle East countries of Central World, see them in the list o nations. VENEZUELA 16:36, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Although I am deeply appreciative of the offer, I would have to decline at this time. I need to spend more time on my Middle East articles for 1983: Doomsday. Between that and my job I would not have the time to take on another project right now given the research I would have to do before writing anything. Thanks anyway. --Fxgentleman 00:24, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Delmarva and Jon Stewart (1983: Doomsday)
Hi, recently I was asked to do a couple articles on Stephen Colbert and on Jon Stewart for 1983: Doomsday.

The Colbert article is done and graduated, so I'm going to focus my energies on Stewart, who on DD would have been attending The College of William & Mary in Virginia, which becomes part of Delmarva. I would like to ask for some help, though, as you are the creator of Delmarva, so I do not want to contradict anything you have done, unlike some people. I'm wondering, especially, if it would be plausible that Stewart becomes the President of Delmarva in the future, and has a role in the government, as well as a well-known radio host and writer.

Please let me know, either on my or on Stewart's talk page, and I hope we can work together to create this article, as I'm sure Stewart would easily fill in some roles.

Thanks! Tbguy1992 03:44, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

I wanted to let you know that I had read your suggestion several days ago. However, I have been very busy the last week or so and have had little time to work on the site other than reviewing what has been going on. I will try to post a response in the next couple days in regards to your proposal. I have some thoughts and concerns I wish to discuss. --Fxgentleman 03:22, October 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * I completely understand, and I eagerly await your reply so we can work together. Tbguy1992 03:49, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

Iraq proposal (1983: Doomsday)
Hello, Fx. I was thinking about creating a state in much of former Iraq and parts of Syria that was run by the small minority of Arameans, that had expulsed much of the Arabic and Persian populace on the regions they controlled. I had the idea of it believing itself to be the successor to the Neo-Babylonian Empire, so I think it's capital would be in the Iraqi region of Babil. Maybe Al-Hila or Al-Musayyib? Fedelede 12:33, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

Fed, sorry for the delayed response I have been very busy lately with work. In regards to your suggestion and having reviewed your map, I don't think it feasible. First, I am creating a new nation in eastern Syria which I have already begun to lay out in the article. Based on discussions between myself and Caeruleus, who is working with me on the Iraq article, we see the nation breaking down into several smaller states. I think it unlikely a superstate would arise in the region. Especially, with Iran likely claiming parts of the old Iraq when it collapses. I also don't see it likely that either the Sunni or Shiite Muslim population would be driven out or taken over by Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac alliance your are suggesting. I think it more logical these Muslim groups would carve out their own nations. I hope this helps answer your questions.--Fxgentleman 02:47, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

I see. Do you think that a state like that but only on the former Iraqi province of Babil would be plausible? Fedelede 02:59, October 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think it is unlikely. If Iraq totally collapsed, it is possible. However, the collapse of Iraq we're planning isn't that drastic. We were thinking a maximum of 4-6 states, which would mainly be based around religious/ethnic lines. Kurdistan and the Assyrian micro-state in northern Iraq are the only confirmed states at the moment, so we'll take your idea into consideration.


 * Also, Fx, we need to get this article written. We've both been delayed for a while. Caeruleus 01:34, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for responding to Fed, I have been to busy to get back to him. I agree with you in that we need to move forward. Set a time in the evening (after 7:30 PM) over the next few days and we will get together to discuss this via Skype. Just to give you a heads-up though, between my job and some personal things going on I am unsure how much free time I will have over the coming weeks. --Fxgentleman 03:54, October 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm free Monday through Thursday after 7:30 PM, so you pick a time or just catch me when I'm online. Caeruleus 04:08, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Iceland
Crap, I was going to work on it when I got my internet back but since that's happened and I've had writers block since Tuesday, I'm fine with you becoming the caretaker and working on it. Arstar 02:33, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Once I get started if you have any suggestions, I would be curious to hear them since I would imagine you have done research as well. --Fxgentleman 03:39, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

I actually have done little research, unfortunately. I haven't had any access to the internet and I've been studying the whole week because I have mid-terms right now. What I can tell you is that the island likely would have been harmed much more than in OTL in the 2010 Volcanic eruptions, thats for sure. But besides that I have no boundaries, the article is yours now :) Arstar 03:48, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Finishing Up
We need to finish up our Iraq article. We've been dragging this out too long. I added a few things so it looks like we're still working on it. Tell me what you think. When are you free this week to chat? Caeruleus 23:49, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for not responding sooner. I have been busy lately and have not spent alot of time on any of this. If you are free this evening, December 1, I will be available.--Fxgentleman 13:10, December 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sounds good. I should be free from at least 5-8 PM, probably later too. We're in the same time zone btw. Caeruleus 19:50, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

MDL
In our last discussion, I mentioned the idea of a defense organization in the eastern Mediterranean. It's called the. Assuming you haven't change your mind since our last discussion, I made Lebanon a founding member. Also, Israel, Jordan, and Al Jazerra will be invited to join, but I know you said you had different plans for Israel and Jordan. It's just a courtesy/policy thing to invite them. Whether they accept or not is up to you. Caeruleus 23:29, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

GSU Flag
Hi Fxgentleman, i made this flag for the. What you think? Can be the official flag? :) --Katholico 03:42, December 18, 2010 (UTC)



Hi again! emM what think abouth the flag? ^^U --Katholico 02:12, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry I was not able to get back to you sooner regarding this. I have been offline alot the past few weeks between work and vacation. However, I did have a chance to review the flag and although I appreciate the effort you made it is not was I was looking for. It seems a bit crowded, as if you tried to combine the elements of all the flags together. Take a look at the flag being used by the GCC in our time which the GSU is modeled on and you will get an idea of what I am envisioning. If you want to give it a second try afterwards, then please do so and I will look at your results. Thanks.--Fxgentleman 02:27, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

MNF
That is weird. I checked the deletion log and could not find it. I hate to say this Fx, but you wouldn't happen to have a copy of your computer of the article do you? Because other than contact wikia, I don't think there is anyway to bring your article back. Mitro 14:18, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Iraq Again
I had some time, so I went through and finished up most of the Iraq article. When you get a chance, read over it and tell me what you think. I left some names and dates blank. They're marked with parentheses. If you could, fill those in too. For example, I know that you once suggested one of Saddam's sons to succeed him, but I don't remember which one.

Also, I could not find out when the GSU invention occurred or the details about it. Could you please write that section?

If you feel the need to change something, feel free to change it. Caeruleus 20:24, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

I wanted to apologize to you for never working on the article like I said. The last few months became more hectic than I planned with my job and I did not simply have the time or energy to do much of anything regarding the site. I am only now finding the time these last few weeks to resume work. I will definately take a look at the article. I had hoped to spend more time on the Middle East but I am having to address issues with my N. American articles at the moment. I am curious as to what you thought of what I added to my MNF article? --Fxgentleman 22:18, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Whenever you can get to it is fine. No rush. And if you need any help with your Middle East articles, feel free to ask.

I did read your MNF article at one point. I thought it was a good article and dealt with the remaining international/UN forces in the area, something that I think no other article really deals with. Why do you ask? Caeruleus 02:59, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

I was just curious regarding your thoughts, given what I discussed a few months back as to where I wanted to take some of my articles. Thanks for the feedback.--Fxgentleman 03:41, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Anytime. Caeruleus 22:43, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Discussion
There is some discussion going on at Talk:Second American Revolution (1983: Doomsday) that would impact the SNU. Please check it out. Mitro 15:10, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

TSPTF
Would you be at all interested in a Constable position? Lordganon 06:12, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for not responding sooner LG. No joke, I am snowed in by work at my job lately which is why I have not been doing any work recently to my articles. That aside, I am honored by the offer. What exactly would you need from me if I was nominated and became a constable? I am not really clear. Please let me know.--Fxgentleman 14:30, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

No worries, Fx. You're far from the last to reply, lol.

Pretty much, whenever you're around and updating your articles, just keep half an eye out for vandals - they're normally pretty obvious. Constables really only get into the TSPTF and gain rollback powers. Nothing to really worry about, nor would any inactivity have too much impact.

If nothing else, that'd be useful for your own articles, lol.

Lordganon 15:13, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Iraq Once More
Our Iraq article was finally graduated. There are a few blanks that need to be filled though. The GSU intervention section is left unwritten because I don't really know what happened there, if it happened at all. So could you please fill that in? Also, I need the name of an eccentric Iraqi general pre-Doomsday. I have a short-lived "Babylonian Rebellion" mentioned and I need a name for its leader. Or we can remove that section if you want since its more of just an interesting add-on, not something necessary. Caeruleus 15:06, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Question
You could have just said Caer, lol. I know the two of you have been doing that. Anyhoo...

Yeah, I could Skype in theory, but I can't stand that thing, lol. Writing is better, for sure. Just leave whatever it is on my page, and I'll get back to you. =)

Lordganon 08:23, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks anyway for the response LG. Its just sometimes far easier to explain one's thoughts verbally versus having to write lengthy paragraphs, which I have had to do in the past and have tried to get away from. Yes, me and Caer have just spoken using only the voice portion rather than the video. It is a great tool and has helped to share our ideas quicker, but I realize not everyone is comfortable with using it. I will post my response sometime this day. Thanks.--Fxgentleman 12:02, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, it's not that I'm uncomfortable with it, I just don't like Skype in general and won't use it. I've done that same idea with other platforms many times in the past. Lordganon 19:40, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Fxgentleman. I was wondering if I would be able to add some additions to your article on israel. WITHOUT changing anything you have already created of course. I was just thinking that Israel's position makes it a fascinating piece to recreate a new history for and it would be a shame if it just was left to sit their unworked on. contact me when you can

Brad30977

Thank you for your interest in my article Brad. Although I am interested in hearing suggestions from other writers, I generally prefer to work on my articles solo so I can control the direction of the peice. The only reason I have not added to the article is because I have been unsure how to address what happened in adjacent Egypt since that impacts Isreal. The storyline as to the events on DD and the first few years make absolutely no sense based on what the situation actually was in Egypt in 1983. Given how weird the posed scenario is has thrown me for some time. If you have any thoughts on that I would not mind hearing them. I have been contemplating just giving up and doing my best in moving forward the article after so long.--Fxgentleman 01:21, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Norfolk
It's alright with me if you take over the article, I no longer have time to update most of the other ones I created.However, I one day do plan to set aside some time for my survivor state in North Caroline, and would like to say that a handful of F-4s were recovered.As long as you leave that provision, I am alright with you taking the article.

--God Bless the United States of America 21:01, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Republic of Iraq (1983: Doomsday)
I have recently adopted the Republic of Iraq concept. I was told that you had specific ideas on how you wanted the nation to turn out. I would defer to your expertise, as you are as much the expert in matters of the Middle East as Vlad is for the Balkans.

Yank 03:45, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

Answer
I don't do Skype, or any other such verbal communication over the net. And no, I won't change that position. Lordganon 05:43, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, thanks anyway for giving me a response. I had hoped to talk with you. Sorry we couldn't work something out. However, I would appreciate having some kind of real time discussion with you short of having to post long messages on a board and wait for answers, which we have been doing. If you have any thoughts as to how we could do something like this, please let me know. I am even willing to provide an email address to have a discussion if you ever want to go in that direction. I did this with Mitro early on. Thanks.--Fxgentleman 09:21, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Leaving messages like that is my preference.

But, I suppose we may be able to talk on MSN sometime.

Lordganon 13:28, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to interrupt, but if you guys want real-time communication without using voice, trading personal information, or waiting for answers, you guys could use the IRC room associated with this wiki, or any IRC room really. Caeruleus 14:07, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the information Cae, I did not know about that. I will look into it for the future. Appreciate the information.--Fxgentleman 01:19, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

...which is exactly what I said. Learn to read, Caer. Lordganon 06:45, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

And Fx? Since you feel free to insult me on other pages, there's nothing to discuss. Simple and Final. Lordganon 06:48, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

LG, I am a natural born analytical thinker, so that is how I approach many things. Although I consider myself fairly knowledgeable about a number of subjects, when I am going into an area where I have limited or no knowledge, I research it as much as I can. Given I enjoy researching it is nothing for me to study numerous websites and read books about a subject. I generally approach a matter by forming a hypothesis and seeing if my research can back it up. If it can’t, then I drop it. I also bring logic and my own experience into my thinking and reasoning. I don’t just pull theories out of my hat. I do my best to read the various articles in the DD scenario, but given how many there are I freely admit I may remember or catch something. A good thinker is always willing to revise their thoughts given the introduction of new information. I have not insulted you and am very surprised and baffled why you came to this conclusion. The reason I have wanted to talk with you privately was to find out if there was some issue you had against me about something I had no knowledge of. You have been so vehement in the two recent discussions we have had, I had the distinct impression you were unwilling to give any credence to my thoughts to the point of shutting me down. As writers, we will not always agree, but there has to be some willingness to debate subjects and consider modifications and compromises. I joined this site for the only reason the writers were trying to make this scenario plausible. A lot has changed since it was created and writers have been willing to discuss fundamental issues and make adjustments as needed given early writers did not think about certain things. I asked other writers who have been involved in this project for some time for their input given how important I felt the subject was. The impression you gave me in your comments, was my thoughts held no merit whatsoever and were not worthy of debate or consideration. When another writer supported me to some extent, you attacked them as well. As such, I was honestly not comfortable with the situation and wanted more feedback. Lastly, if my thoughts are so wrong, I would love to read your sources of information since they contradict my sources so I can compare them.--Fxgentleman 14:11, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

I did want to add two further notes LG to my above comments. First, I wanted to apologize for bringing up the issue regarding voice communication again. I knew I had discussed the matter with a writer and thought it was you. When I was reviewing my early conversations with people, I somehow overlooked our previous discussion. I was somewhat embarrassed when I realized my error. Secondly, I never stated you used the actual words ridiculous and implausible in responding to my arguments, because technically you did not. However, what I actually said was I felt you “dismissed my arguments as basically implausible and ridiculous” which is what my distinct impression was based on the tone of your comments. However, I will give you the benefit of the doubt in that when you wrote your comments you did not realize they came off as condescending and dismissive to me. I realize we will are likely to never agree on this matter and there is nothing I can do change that other than moving on and focusing on the discussion at hand. By the way I had problems with the link you provided but eventually located the document and read it. Very fascinating reading. I only wish the entire report had been available. It supported for the most part what I read elsewhere but went into greater depth about how many satellites were affected. So thanks.--Fxgentleman 05:37, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

You posted on numerous pages that I "vehemently dismissed my arguments as basically implausible and ridiculous." I did no such thing. At all. Nor did I dismiss your argument in any way, shape, or form. I merely countered them and told you why you were incorrect. Nor was I dismissive or condescending to you in any form. About the only thing wrong was posting while I was.... well, incredibly annoyed is a good way to put it, I suppose, though note that that was Caer's doing, not yours.

You saying things like that, at all, is putting words in my mouth. That is insulting me. Verbatim. And you went and posted it several times, compounding your insult. If you had any issue you should have said something to me. Yet, you failed completely to do so.

As for Caer? If you look around this site at all you'll find that any "attack" - and that is not the case, whatsoever - has absolutely nothing to do with you. Very often, he reads only half of he replies to, at best, kills his own arguments, is not objective in the least, entirely fails to get a point for weeks, etc. This has been a long-running thing between myself and him for months - heck, likely more than a year by this point, and on numerous talk pages. I freely admit to having little to no patience for him, as a result. I'm aware that's a touch wrong, but he has yet to give me any reason to think otherwise. Think of it as he frequently makes me want to bash my head against a wall out of extreme annoyance.

There was never any issue with us, in the past. But now you've went out of your way to make one, as far as I'm concerned. It can be lessened, but not forgotten. Nor forgiven.

As for voice communication, I'd forgotten entirely that you had said something before.

As for the link, it gave me issues too, at first. It's not a regular PDF file - been modified to make it always read-only - which causes problems. Near as I can tell, it is actually the entire report, too.

Lordganon 07:05, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

EMP
FX, I've finished reading through the section on the main talk page. I want to sleep on it, and read through it again before commenting on the issue. I do wonder if we should accept the TL as is, and work from there. That, or reboot the thing completely. That said, I am not against revising canon to make it more plausible - LG's done so with Superior, I've done so with Texas, and many others have done so with their own articles. The only other thing I'll say at this point is that this needs to be talked out, and all of the ramifications thought through, before we make any kind of decision regarding changing history. BrianD 03:05, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

It looks like this is where I should post this. Hi, Fx. I saw the discussion earlier and have been working on looking at the satellites that were probably up at the time. Quite a few of them are STILL up. And many of them are geo-synchronous and thus way out of the way of any shenanigans on the earth. Even the lowest comsats are at 300 miles much higher than the two bombs the USSR used to blast the EMP's over the US. The one the US did over Russia, at 300 miles, might have knocked a few low flying ones down though. NONE of the atmospheric explosions would have affected the satellites themselves.

I'm still working on a list of satellites that were probably in use on DD. It looks like an adequate number of equatorial geo-sync satellites were up so that South America and Australia, as well as South Africa and Southeast Asia, would have had full communications with NO disruptions between them (apart from the air bursts in Australia, that is. I'll finish work on satellites launched in 1981 (and still up today!) and get back on it Friday afternoon.  I'm with Brian on this one (I have had my reservations since I got in, but a 'reboot' just seems too drastic given the 'rules.'  But we admins can bat it about. SouthWriter 04:47, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

Gentlemen, thanks for the response and consideration, which is all I ask. It was never my intention to figuratively toss a grenade into the room so to speak, but it was an area that has been bothering for some time and I have been reticent about raising it until now. I never questioned any of this early on given I assumed others had done the needed research. A while ago when I mentioned something in passing to a writer about weather monitoring and there being no satellites and they told me the satellites were okay, which puzzled me because I thought they were destroyed. So I have been reading and reading and the more I found told me the original premise may have been flawed. So frankly I have no clue why certain areas of the world could not have contacted each other by landlines or satellites shortly afterwards. In fact, the information I have read says atmospheric disturbances over zones which have been struck should last no more than several days to weeks given the number of weapons. However, I will post some more thoughts on the main discussion page about my thoughts and research, which I have a feeling may be in the same area you are exploring. I have been trying to track down what satellites were in orbit and have had little success. I did find out there was about 130 or so in orbit at the time of which about 60 were defunct. My research on satellite orbits sounds like it matches what you are seeing.--Fxgentleman 14:18, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

Norfolk Naval Base
I know its been awhile sent you that warning about the edits on your Norfolk Naval Base article, and I just wanted to say sorry for those edits.Enclavehunter 05:35, October 30, 2011 (UTC)