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Algo Template (WIP)
This algo template is being worked on in order to standardize algos, which will make it simpler for mods to check them and fix them. Once this algo template is declared official, a mod (probably me) will declare that at the start of the turn following the declaration, all algos must follow this format and if not, they will not be regarded as valid.

Feel free to comment about the algo template, suggest something that would increase it's effectivity, ask questions, or even suggest changes to the algo. Note that no matter what, nothing but the hundreth/thousandth digit of the Edit Count / UTC time * pi will be bolded in the algo.

Cheers, SkyGreen24 17:33, January 28, 2015 (UTC)

===Attacker=== *Location: **Location Bonus: *Tactical Advantage: *Nations Per Side: *Military Development: *Economic Development: *Expansion: *Motive: **Modifiers: *Chance: **Edits: **UTC (ABCD) = A * B * C * D = ** /  * pi = *Nation Age: *Population: *Participation: *Number of Troops: *Theaters of War: *Concurrent Wars: Total: ===Defender=== *Location: **Location Bonus: *Tactical Advantage: *Nations per side: *Military Development: *Economy Development: *Infrastructure: *Expansion: *Motive: **Modifiers: *Chance: **Edits: **UTC (ABCD) = A * B * C * D = ** /  * pi = *Nation Age: *Population: *Participation: *Recent Wars: *Troops strength: *Theaters of War: *Concurrent Wars: Total: ===Result=== ===Discussion===

Industrial algo update
Due to us beginning to drive into the industrial age, the algo needs to be updated accordingly, With this having happened in PMII with decent success (and one of our redeeming qualities that someone always updates the maps usually) we will be replicating this here (support was shown by multiple mods a few of which were PMII veterans.) This will be represented on a map much like the Game map, but with the colors replaced to represent differing industrial levels and when they started. A Chart to represent will go below this post and just above that a map (currently in progress) will be posted to represented our first industrializers. In extenuating circumstances the chart can be superceded to show a change in industrial development quicker than represented on the chart but this will only be for Meiji, or rapid German industrialization efforts.

In the algo a n algorythm multiplier would be applied to all wars with the side with a higher stage gaining 10% extra for each stage higher they are. an example would be in a war between Britain and France, the British are 3 stages ahead of the French in terms of industrial development (for whatever circumstance caused this) the British would multiple their ending score by 1.3.

If anyone is wondering, currently industrialization will be mostly in europe with a select few nations outside of the continent it would be currently taking place (nations with a realistic reason to adopt it as such such as asian nations with a extremely anti-colonial attitude, or something along the lines of Japan.) Industrialization in the Americas (when stuff goes independent) will depend on how the territory is when it gains independence and will more than likely have to be handled on a case by case basis like the outside of Europe industrializers. Stage 1= Stage 2​= Stage 3= Stage 4​= Stage 5= Stage 6​= Stage 7=
 * The Air Furnace is developed
 * Agriculture begins to rapidly shift with fertilizers and rest years for the fields
 * Chemistry develops in leaps and bounds
 * Steam Power is developed and water wheels are heavily utilized
 * Various chemicals are produced in large amounts
 * Health care and anatomic understanding improve, birth rates still high but death rates on a massive decline
 * Urbanisation begins on a significant scale
 * Paper mills develop with the tech to produce large reels of paper
 * Cloth factories begin using machines and steam power to increase productivity massively to keep up with population boom's clothing demand
 * Some revolutionary rumbles appear
 * Experimental Railways begin to crop up
 * Stronger cements are produced
 * Steel and Glass are avaliable
 * A few colonies and nations will have rebellions in this period
 * Ironclads and Artillery become widely used in combat
 * Revolutions by poorer citizens in cities become frequent
 * Wide use of civilian and military purpose use railways
 * Tanks and planes appear
 * Total War emerges with populations also targetted
 * Nationalism appears in larger multicultural nations
 * Atomic age begins a decade before the start of this age with certain nations able to make nuclear weapons
 * Wars between atomic powers CEASE, due to the threat and consequences of nuclear war
 * Colonies rebel for independence

Discussion
As Said Above, Industrialization aside from a few cases (and a case by case evaluation of tier jumps such as a US/German rapid industrialization, or a Japan Meiji or an Asian anti colonial reasoning) will be mostly within Europe and the Americas initially. As a relatively new person to the industrial tier buisiness i will be consulting PMII vets on how it was implemented but for right now due to ease the only two current industrializing states are France and Spain (and the other particulars will be worked out before another one joins the mix). Please bear with us while i gather the needed information to implement this properly.

The intended purpose of this is to prevent an unindustrialized state such as a disorganized tribe being able to deal a true and terrible blow to the Great industrial powers since this rarely happened, (and when it did it was usually due to vast numerical superiority, and even then it only happened once or twice). This is also to simulate a war and the vast advantages provided by industry in this case.

In the case of colonies, that can/will be handled by the mother nation. Plausibly most nations did not let directly owned colonies to industrialize (which is in fact represented by the fact that most colonies will be represented by the mother nations industrial colors). Colonies, under certain circumstances will be allowed to industrialize independently, and due to the access to technology and depending on their terms of industrialization (if they fought a 15 year war of independence like most of Spain OTL colonies) then industrialization will be a rather tough thing to propose to a new nation that would be essentially bankrupt right off the bat. Colonies that Gain Self rule or co-opting rule of any kind will also be able to industrialize in most cases due to the relatively open nature in which its being done. However a problem with this is how will you as a Colonial power manage your self ruling colonies industrial policy without inciting revolt.

This Era must be played carefully while the pertinent information is being discussed please be patient, but for now play on, enioy the game, and plan your moves Carefully

Map Issues
''' The issues of the previous map shall be cleared after each map to save up space, unless a discussion is still going on. '''

Emeraldie traded the Northern Bahamas for the Algonquian Antilles. They should also control Easter island, the Pitcain islands and the uncontrolled areas of French Polynesia. Dreamcaster1 (talk) 20:00, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

Hamburger, Dutch and Lankan enclaves in India should be annexed into the respective enclaves they border. They shouldn't only be coloured lol. Also, Burma has been conquered and should be merged with Bengal.

Labelled


These great and wonderful maps have been made and labelled by Scandinator. Please be sure to thank him for his intense dedication and deep-level research that he put into these maps.

Cultural


Now, I will attempt to list the myriad of cultures that are represented on the map. To do so, I will go by continent.

It is finished! 01:34, August 1, 2014 (UTC)

Religious Map
Alright, added another religion map. Map is based off of the 1655 Map. Same rules apply: List all changes below in the Notes section.

18:46, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

Color Key

All regions are shown according to their plurality religion.

Catholicism is yellow; the Western Church nations are shown in dark gold, and Catholic states whose churches function independently of the Roman Church are shown in pale yellow. Ludwigism is shown in bright gold. Eastern Orthodoxy is orange; Oriental Orthodox sub-branches are burnt orange. *Reformism is red. Sunni Islam is lime green, Shia Islam is forest green; Ibadiyya Islam is dark green, Assafi Islam is bright green, and Paganistic Islam is mint green. The Mastorava is teal blue, Hinduism is sky blue, and Buddhism is dark blue; the Bon religion is pale blue, and Mongolian Buddhism is grey-blue. Confucianism is purple, while Shintoism is violet. Other "pagan" religions are pink; the Mesoamerican pantheon is light pink, the South American pantheon is hot pink, the North American pantheon is fuchsia, and the African pantheons are all dark pink. Other religions will be added as needed.

Notes
 * Added Charismatic Christianity and Mogul Khanate is now Charismatic king Trevor 1 of wales (talk) 12:38, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * Added Lutherism for HollandDrPepperisbetter (talk) 22:27, June 2, 2015 (UTC)

Mod Event Grievances
Just so that it doesn't clutter the page, please post your mod event questions, comments and grievances here. This -should- be archived every five years.

=General Discussion=

Intro
As we all know, the PMIII algo is seriously biased towards the number of nations participating. And so, the mods (mostly me, Crimmyboo and MP) set forth to find a solution. And Pita suggested his new algo for AvA, which I decided to look into.

So I did. Since Pita is Asian, his mathematical skills are unsurpassed, which allowed me to more or less take the algo, with minor tweaks and adjustments. I hope you all read it through and give me your opinion on it.

Note: The industrial update will have a heavy impact on the algo, since we lack tiers. Second note: I'm using tabbers now, tabbers are cool. EDIT: Tr0ll doesn't like my tabbers. Third note: Numbers are not rounded up/down anymore. Everything stays the way it is.

Location
Location is a tricky one, since it usually only factors in the distance, while I also want to factor in the speed of transport etc.

Mostly, location goes by capital city, however I disagree with that. It will also include locations that are militarized (i.e. Rhein area pre-WW2). As you might've noticed, all but the 'at' locations are italicized. Why? Well, because the infrastructure and industrial development of a nation highly impact its ability to mobilize and get to a location in a set time period. Which is why each of the 7 stages will be given a multiplier that will affect the location.
 * At the location of war: +15
 * Next to the location of war: +8
 * Close to the location of war: +4
 * Far from the location of war: -4
 * Other side of the world: -8

Tactical advantage
This one will not be impacted by industrial stages, atleast not until modern times.
 * Attacker’s advantage: +2
 * Defender’s advantage: +5
 * Surprise attack: Attackers +6
 * Home is island: Defenders +4
 * Home is desert: Defenders +6
 * Home is jungle/tropical: Defenders +8
 * Home is tundra/arctic: Defenders +10 in winter, +12 in spring
 * Amphibious landing: Defenders +6

Strength
I decided to stay true to the ol' PMIII algo and thus, strength won't be that similar to AvA. Instead, a system similar to PM's Nation-per-side will be used.
 * L - +Industrial stage
 * M - +0.75 Industrial stage
 * S - +0.5 Industrial stage
 * V - -0.25 Industrial stage
 * 3 or more V and PU (PU=L) - -0.25 per extra V/PU (starting from the third one)
 * Much larger economy - +5
 * Larger economy - +3
 * Better military (weapons, armour, training, number etc.) - +3
 * Fully mobilized - +3
 * Naval dominance: +5

Motive
Motive was obviously going to be more PMIII-akin than Ava-akin, however I also decided to add a Sky twist to it. Vassal motive:
 * Economic (Gains land, resources, etc): + 3
 * Aiding Ally: + 3
 * Defending territory not held for more than 20 years: + 4
 * Defending territory not part of heartland but held for more than 20 years: + 5
 * Taking territory of similar culture but not part of nation: + 5
 * Pre-emptive Strike against a nation rapidly building military forces: + 5
 * Taking back territory recently held by nation but since lost: + 6
 * Aiding Social/Moral/Ideological/Religious Kinsmen who are being oppressed: + 7
 * Attacking to enforce political hegemony: +7
 * Defending Heartland from attack that will not cripple/ destroy nation: + 5
 * Defending Core/heartland from possibly fatal attack + 9
 * Defending from attack that will wipe out nation and culture: + 10 (pre-nuclear era), + 15 (post-nuclear era)
 * Defending from nuclear armed nation that has a motive over 5 and has not yet used their weaponry: + 10
 * Defending from nuclear armed nation, regardless of motive, that has used said weaponry: + 15
 * If a vassal that is fighting has revolted within the last 30 years, its motive is multiplied by 0.75

Motive is averaged

Morale
Morale is now separated from motive, as motive only affects the soldiers, while morale affects the whole population of a nation. Total morale is calculated in the same way as motive
 * Non-democratic Government: -2
 * Democratic government: +3
 * Government not supported by people: -10
 * WAR not supported by people (democratic) : -3
 * WAR not supported by people (non-democratic): -2
 * Troop Morale high (requires motive over or equal to 5, chance over 4, and larger strength: +5
 * Troop Morale low (any of the following: chance below 1, srength less or equal to 50% of opponents, recent war penalty over 8): - 5
 * Fighting Guerrilla War: -5 attacker, + 1 defender
 * Multiple concurrent wars: -10 (per nation and its vassals and PUs)
 * Defeat suffered within the previous two years: -2 per defeat

Chance
Good ol' chance. This one stays the same For NPCs, the chance will be defined as the thousandth place of z, using the exact same algorithm as the player nation.
 * Edit number = x
 * War declaration time digits multiplied (0s are treated as 1s) = y
 * x/y*pi = z
 * Chance = Hundredth place of z

Population

 * The population score is the number of digits in the population + the additional bonus, which is below:
 * +2 to the larger nation that is less than five times the population of the smaller.
 * +10 if the larger nation is between five and ten times the population of the smaller.
 * +20 if the larger nation is more than ten times the population.

Nation age
Goes by the last major change in the system of government.
 * Newborn nation (less than 5 years since gov change; 3 years if popular revolt) = -10
 * Young nation (5–25 years since government change) = -5
 * Maturing nation (25–75 years) = +0
 * Mature nation (75–200 years) = +5
 * Old nation (200–300 years) = +0
 * Ancient nation (300–500 years) = -5
 * Antique nation (more than 500 years) = -15

Recent wars

 * -2 for Leadership in any war in the past 15 years.
 * -1 for and Military or supply support in the past 15 years

Troop number
Same as old algo, the larger gets divided by the smaller.

Other stuff

 * Participation: +10
 * Treaty breaking: -5
 * Alliance breaking: -10
 * -1 per turn you have expanded.
 * If your nation has recently had a popular revolt soon after a new weak government was formed (like Adolf Hitler or Napoleon Bonaparte) your score is multiplied by 1.5 for all wars in the next ten years. However, you cannot have multiple popular revolts of this nature in a row without government changes in between.
 * City-states get a *0.5 modifier for the amount of territory they lose in the initial results algorithm and can take territory so long as the nation they take it from has territory to take close enough for the city-states to rule without it being considered a colony.
 * If you take 33.33% of your opponent's territory or more, you can topple their government and do whatever is plausible to their nation that you wish.
 * It may be implausible for a nation to take or lose the full amount of territory listed in the algorithm.
 * You can add together winning percentage scores in order to total 33.33% if all of the wars happened within a 30 year period.
 * A popular revolt requires over 33.33% to be put down, while one that isn't popular only requires a victory.
 * Small ports (e.g. Shanghai, Hong Kong), cannot be a nation in a war unless that port specifically is being attacked.
 * For measuring the length of wars, the turn war is declared counts as the first year if fighting takes place in it. So for example, if the algo says the war lasts three years, then the turn the war was declared counts as the first IF the target was also invaded. It is possible to not invade the turn war is declared, although this gives the enemy the possibility of mobilizing.

Result
The same as before.

(x/(x+y))*2-1=z

z*(1-1/(2*t))=%

Post your opinions below, hopefully with constructive criticism.

Algo reform discussion
Can we remove the tabs? All they're doing is hiding the content and making it harder to read. Also what does this reform do to address the actual problems that led to it? What does it do for vassals, for example? Also with this system an independent Gotland would probably repulse the entire Empire of Scandinavia, since they'd get +29 in tactical advantage alone. Tr0llis (talk) 16:25, April 5, 2015 (UTC)

Here's what I'd rather see, instead of basically all of this (EDIT: When I said all of this I meant location and tactical advantage. Sky has since edited to add more, which I have yet to read). Note I did not write this, and it is not finished. it's just a snippet I found: {{Hidden|snippet|

Location
Location goes by attacker's closest territory and defender's targeted territory, in which fighting actively takes place.

Attacker


 * 20 - Borders territory of enemy where fighting is actively taking place, in same continent
 * 15 - Attacking territory on the same continent, traveling primarily by land.
 * 10 - Attacking distant territory on the same continent or across major bodies of water; attacking neighboring subcontinents or regions (France to Russia, United Kingdom to Denmark, Germany to Syria).
 * 5 - Attacking territory on a distant continent (United States to Germany, Spain to Mexico).

Defender


 * 25 - Defending territory is part of core territory/homeland; area under attack is near capital or in easily accessible area from it.
 * 20 - Defending neighboring territory within home continent.
 * 15 - Defending distant territory or important/large territory on another continent (United Kingdom defending Canada or India).
 * 10 - Defending vastly distant or minor possession (United Kingdom defending Singapore).

Each nation or possession involved in combat gets a location, and each location is added up then divided by number of nations per that side.

Supply Lines
Attacker
 * 10 - Attacking an area that borders core sections of nation; easily accessible to troops and supplies.
 * 5 - Attacking distant area on continent, or via amphibious landing.
 * 0 - Attacking on the other side of the world, and/or with amphibious landing.

Modifiers
 * Added to each nation that is less than ten for supply lines:
 * 2 - Attacker has major empire at least twice as large as home nation.
 * 2 - Attacker has supporting fleet connecting their home nation to battlefield.
 * 2 - Attacker has intermediary territory between their home nation and the battlefield that can be used to supply or safe guard ships.
 * Added once:
 * -10 - Subjected to scorched earth retreat.
 * -10 - Blockade completely cutting off supplies to front lines.

Defender
 * 10 - Defending home territory or neighboring/nearby areas.
 * 5 - Defending disconnected or distant territory.

Modifiers
 * Added to each nation that is less than ten for supply lines:
 * 2 - Defender has major empire at least twice as large as home nation.
 * 2 - Defender has supporting fleet connecting their home nation to battlefield.
 * 2 - Defender has intermediary territory between their home nation and the battlefield that can be used to supply or safe guard ships.
 * Added once:
 * -10 - Subjected to scorched earth retreat.
 * -10 - Blockade completely cutting off supplies to front lines.

Tactical Advantage
Attacker
 * 25 - Utilizes blitzkrieg or rapid overpowering by advanced technology or superior numbers (WW2 Germany, Revolutionary France, European Subjugation of natives).
 * 20 - Is on equal footing to defender in terms of technology.
 * 15 - Amphibious landing or distant invasion; charge against superior defenses.
 * 10 - Raid or low quality attack.

Modifiers (Once per side)
 * Superior Numbers: 5
 * Siege weapons or artillery: 5

Defender
 * 20 - Defending

Modifiers (Once per side) }}
 * Superior Numbers: 5
 * High quality fortifications: 5

Tr0llis (talk) 16:30, April 5, 2015 (UTC)

Could've atleast waited till I finish it. However I will look into it. SkyGreen24 16:47, April 5, 2015 (UTC)

EDIT: I tried to implement the snippet version in previous algos, and it just doesn't cut it (note: I used 1 on 1 algos, to avoid the issues of the previous algo). I'm going to use the initial one, but with an adapted tactical advantage. SkyGreen24 18:17, April 5, 2015 (UTC)

Just a question, could we have a mock war with multiple nations per side just to see how its implemented for future reference?-Lx (leave me a message) 20:23, April 5, 2015 (UTC)

Sure, but I need ideas for participants, if you could help mayhaps? SkyGreen24 16:34, April 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * A war with multiple indian states perhaps? that area of the world is both fractured and devoid of player-states it seems.-Lx (leave me a message)Azarath Flag.png 19:48, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

Bengali Coalition
Result: 69.8
 * Location: +8+8+4+4+4/5 = 5.6
 * Tactical Advantage: +2 [Invaders Advantage]
 * Strength: +4 [Bengal] +4 [Jaunpur] +3 [Punjab] +3 [Bahamani] +3 [Udaipur] +5 [Much Larger Economy] +3 [Better Military] +3 [Fully Mobilized] +5 [Naval Dominance] = 33
 * Motive: +7+7+7+7+3/5 = 6.2
 * Morale: -2 [Non-Democratic] -5 [Low Morale] = -7
 * Chance: +0
 * Edits: 1674
 * UTC (08:53): 0*5*3*0 = 15
 * (1674/80)*pi: 350.601740141
 * Population: +8 [Population] +20 [More Than 10 Times Larger Population] = +28
 * Nation Age: +0 [Maturing Nation]
 * Recent Wars: -10
 * Number of Troops: 340,000/170,000 = 2
 * Participation: +10

Vijaynagara Empire
Result: 49
 * Location: +15 [At The Location of War]
 * Tactical Advantage: +5 [Defenders Advantage]
 * Strength: +3 [Vijaynagar]
 * Motive: +9 [Fatal Attack]
 * Morale: -2 [Non-Democratic] -5 [Low Morale] = -7
 * Chance: +1
 * ​Edits: 1604
 * UTC (08:53): 0*8*5*3 = 80
 * (1604/80)*pi: 62.9889327045
 * Population: +8 [Population]
 * Nation Age: +0 [Maturing Nation]
 * Recent Wars: -2
 * Number of Troops: 170,000/340,000 = +0
 * Participation: +10

Results
(69.8/(69..8+49))*2 -1 =  0.17508417508

( 0.17508417508 )*(1-1/(2*2)) =  0.1313131313

13.13% of Vijaynagar now, and 22.5% of Vijaynagar from the previous war results in Vijaynagar getting toppled.

Algonquia
Total:
 * Location: 4
 * Tactical Advantage: 2+6
 * Strength: 4 + 3 +3 + 2.75
 * Motive: 7
 * Morale: +8
 * Chance: 8
 * Edits: 1620
 * UTC (17:27) = 1*7*2*7 = 28
 * 1620/28 * pi = 181.758
 * Nation Age: +5
 * Population: 7
 * Participation: +10
 * Number of Troops: 150,000/30,000= 5
 * Theaters of War: 0
 * Concurrent Wars: 0
 * Recent Wars: -6

Grand Union
Total:
 * Location: 11.68
 * Tactical Advantage: 5 + 5 + 6 + 4
 * Strength: 5 + 5
 * Motive: 5
 * Morale: -2
 * Chance: 3
 * Edits: 6399
 * UTC (17:27) = 1*7*2*7
 * 6399/28 * pi = 717.945
 * Nation Age: +5
 * Population: 8 +2
 * Participation: +10
 * Recent Wars:
 * Troops strength: 0
 * Theaters of War:
 * Concurrent Wars: -10

Result
Not even going to finish this since Lx says he won't spend the resources defending the islands. If people want me to do it, I will later.

"This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 21:16, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Roman Empire
Total: 99.5
 * Location: 8.5
 * Tactical Advantage: 2+6
 * Strength: 5+5+5+3+3
 * Motive: 7
 * Morale: +8
 * Chance: 6
 * Edits: 8845
 * UTC (19:37) = 1*9*4*4= 144
 * 8845/144 * pi = 192.962
 * Nation Age: 5
 * Population: 8+20
 * Participation: +10
 * Number of Troops: 300,000/100,000=3
 * Theaters of War:
 * Concurrent Wars:
 * Recent Wars: -5

Africa
Total: 39
 * Location: 15
 * Tactical Advantage: 5
 * Strength: 5
 * Motive: 9
 * Morale -2
 * Chance: 2
 * Edits: 8845
 * UTC (19:37) = 1*9*4*4= 144
 * 8845/144 * pi = 192.962
 * Nation Age: -10
 * Population: 7
 * Participation: +10
 * Recent Wars: -2
 * Troops strength: 0
 * Theaters of War:
 * Concurrent Wars:

Result
(99.5/(99.5+39))*2-1= .4368 = .3688

Toppled in 3 years.

France
Total: 77x 1.5 = 115.5
 * Location: 8.5
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * Strength: 5+5+5+3+3+3
 * Motive: 3
 * Morale: -2
 * Chance: 9
 * Edits: 159
 * UTC (11:00) = 1*1*0*0= 1
 * 159/1 * pi = 499.499
 * Nation Age: -5
 * Population: 8+20
 * Participation: +10
 * Number of Troops: 300,000/100,000=3
 * Theaters of War:
 * Concurrent Wars:
 * Recent Wars: -4

Brittany
Total: 63
 * Location: 15
 * Tactical Advantage: 5
 * Strength: 5
 * Motive: 9
 * Morale -2
 * Chance: 9
 * Edits: 159
 * UTC (11:00) = 1*1*0*0= 1
 * 159/1 * pi = 499.499
 * Nation Age: 5
 * Population: 7
 * Participation: +10
 * Recent Wars:
 * Troops strength: 0
 * Theaters of War:
 * Concurrent Wars:

Result
(115.5/(115.5+63))*2-1= .2941 = .2205

22.05% in two years, let me know if the situation changes.

Communist Coalition
Total: 31.17x 1.2 = 37.404
 * Location: 8.5
 * Tactical Advantage: 2+6 =8
 * Strength: 5+5=10
 * Motive: 3
 * Morale: -2
 * Chance: 5
 * Edits: 948
 * UTC (01:23) = 0*1*2*3= 6
 * 948/6 * pi = 496.357
 * Nation Age: -7.5
 * Population: 8+2
 * Participation: +10
 * Number of Troops: (390k+195k)/500,000= 1.17
 * Theaters of War:
 * Concurrent Wars:
 * Recent Wars: -5

Silesia
Total: 76
 * Location: 15
 * Tactical Advantage: 5
 * Strength: 5+5+3(Larger eco)+3(Better military)=16
 * Motive: 9+3/2=6
 * Morale -2+5+3=6
 * Chance: 7
 * Edits: 948
 * UTC (01:23) = 0*1*2*3= 6
 * 948/6 * pi = 496.357
 * Nation Age: 5
 * Population: 8
 * Participation: +10
 * Recent Wars: -2
 * Troops strength: 500k
 * Theaters of War:
 * Concurrent Wars:

Result
Next time, watch who you deal with.SkyGreen24

Discussion
Someone should really check my algos, I feel like I may be getting rusty, for some reason.

"This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 03:49, June 6, 2015 (UTC)

Invading a nation after giving them an ultimatum is hardly a surprise invasion.

Coalition of the East - Caliphate Front
Total: 77.5
 * Location: 8.5
 * Tactical Advantage: 2+6
 * Strength: 5+5+3+3+5 = 21
 * Motive: 3
 * Morale: -2+5
 * Chance: 8
 * Edits: 3925
 * UTC (16:07) = 1*6*0*7= 42
 * 3925/42 * pi = 293.58931346
 * Nation Age:
 * Population: 8+2
 * Participation: +10
 * Number of Troops: 300,000/50,000= 6
 * Theaters of War:
 * Concurrent Wars:
 * Recent Wars:

Tartary
Total: 55
 * Location: 15
 * Tactical Advantage: 5
 * Strength: 5+3=8
 * Motive: 9
 * Morale -2-5=-7
 * Chance: 9
 * Nation Age: 5
 * Population: 8
 * Participation: +10
 * Recent Wars:
 * Troops strength: 50k
 * Theaters of War:
 * Concurrent Wars:
 * Fronts:-7

Result
(77.5/(77.5+55))*2-1=0.16981132

Coalition of the East - Russian Front
Total: 76.5*1.5=114.75
 * Location: 8.5
 * Tactical Advantage: 2+6
 * Strength: 5+5+3+3+5 = 21
 * Motive: 3
 * Morale: -2+5
 * Chance: 7
 * Edits: 2056
 * UTC = 2*0*2*1= 4
 * 2056/4 * pi = 1614.778624
 * Nation Age:
 * Population: 8+2
 * Participation: +10
 * Number of Troops: 300,000/50,000= 6
 * Theaters of War:
 * Concurrent Wars:
 * Recent Wars:

Tartary
Total: 54
 * Location: 15
 * Tactical Advantage: 5
 * Strength: 5+3=8
 * Motive: 9
 * Morale -2-5=-7
 * Chance: 8
 * Nation Age: 5
 * Population: 8
 * Participation: +10
 * Recent Wars:
 * Troops strength: 50k
 * Theaters of War:
 * Concurrent Wars:
 * Fronts: -7

Result
(114.75/(114.75+54))2-1=0.36

Coalition of the East - Japanese Front
Total: 82.5
 * Location: 8.5
 * Tactical Advantage: 2+6
 * Strength: 5+5+3+3+5 = 21
 * Motive: 3
 * Morale: -2+5
 * Chance: 8
 * Edits: 91
 * UTC (00:01) = 1
 * 91 * pi = 285.8849315
 * Nation Age: 5
 * Population: 8+2
 * Participation: +10
 * Number of Troops: 300,000/50,000= 6
 * Theaters of War:
 * Concurrent Wars:
 * Recent Wars:

Tartary
Total: 50
 * Location: 15
 * Tactical Advantage: 5
 * Strength: 5+3=8
 * Motive: 9
 * Morale -2-5=-7
 * Chance: 4
 * Nation Age: 5
 * Population: 8
 * Participation: +10
 * Recent Wars:
 * Troops strength: 50k
 * Theaters of War:
 * Concurrent Wars:
 * Fronts: -7

Result
(82.5/(82.5+57))*2-1=0.245283018

Discussion
Toppled in 2 years I believe.

Czech-Polish Forces
Total: 52.5*1.2 = 63
 * Location: 15
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * Strength: 5+5+3+3+3=19
 * Motive: 7+3=5
 * Morale: -2-10-2-2=-16
 * Chance: 9
 * Edits: 960
 * UTC (00:24) = 0*1*2*4= 8
 * 960/8 * pi = 376.991118431
 * Nation Age: -7.5
 * Population: 8+10
 * Participation: +10
 * Number of Troops: (600,000+150,000)/150,000= 5
 * Theaters of War:
 * Concurrent Wars:
 * Recent Wars: -7

Czech Revolters
Total: 42*1.5=63
 * Location: 15
 * Tactical Advantage: 5
 * Strength: 5+3=8
 * Motive: 7
 * Morale 3-5=-2
 * Chance: 1
 * Edits: 960
 * UTC (00:24) = 0*1*2*4= 8
 * 960/8 * pi = 376.991118431
 * Nation Age: -10
 * Population: 8
 * Participation: +10
 * Recent Wars:
 * Troops strength: 150k
 * Theaters of War:
 * Concurrent Wars:

Result
IATG informed me about recent war stuff I missed, it's tie now.

Invasion of the Falklands
 Andea  Total:69.5
 * Location:+8.5 (Andea keeps a stocked Military base on the Falkland Islands, as according to the new algo militarized territories can be used for location as well.)
 * Tactical Advanteges:+2
 * Strenght:+5+5+3+3+5=21
 * Motive:+3
 * Morale:+3
 * Chance:2*2*1*7, 2,119/28=75.67
 * Population:+8+10=18
 * Nation Age:+5
 * Recent Wars:-2
 * Troops: 90,000/10,000=+9
 * Multiple Fronts:-5

Dutch Falklands
Total:8.75
 * Location:+5.75 (Same logic as during the Hamburg War)
 * Strenght:+5
 * Tactical:+5 (Would not get the amphibous landing seeing as Andea has a base on the Island)
 * Motive:+5
 * Morale:+3?
 * Chance:8
 * Population:+7
 * Nation Age:0
 * Recent Wars:0
 * Troops:0
 * Multiple Fronts:-30 (From scraw)

Result
1 and done

Discussion
Alright so Amphibous Landing doesn't apply here considering I would use existing Andean Military presence to move troops into the war. Island also would probably not count, but if it does, it does. #PraiseRoosevelt.

Andea
Total:54.5
 * Location:-3.5
 * Tactical Advanteges:+2
 * Strenght:+5+5+3+3+5=21
 * Motive:+3
 * Morale:+3
 * Chance:2*2*1*7, 2,119/28=75.67
 * Population:+8+10=18
 * Nation Age:+5
 * Recent Wars:-2
 * Troops: 150,000/30,000=+5
 * Multiple Fronts:-5

Dutch South Africa
Total:17.75
 * Location:+5.75 (Same logic as during the Hamburg War)+3 (South Africa)
 * Strenght:+5
 * Tactical:+5+6 (Would not get the amphibous landing seeing as Andea has a base on the Island)
 * Motive:+5
 * Morale:+3?
 * Chance:8
 * Population:+7
 * Nation Age:0
 * Recent Wars:0
 * Troops:0
 * Multiple Fronts:-30 (From scraw)

Result
2 and done.

Discussion
#PraiseRoosevelt. 23:24, June 9, 2015 (UTC)

Algonquia
Total: 46.5
 * Location:+8.5 (Leased territory with heavily built up military infrastructure)
 * Tactical Advanteges:+2 +6
 * Strenght:+5+3+5
 * Motive:+7 (Beothuk)
 * Morale:+3
 * Chance:
 * Population:+7
 * Nation Age:+5
 * Recent Wars:-4
 * Troops: 250,000/30,000=+8
 * Multiple Fronts:0

Dutch Kolossland
Total: 10.75
 * Location:+5.75 (like Hamburg)
 * Strenght:+5 +3 +5
 * Tactical:+5
 * Motive:+5
 * Morale:+3
 * Chance:
 * Population:+7 +2
 * Nation Age:0
 * Recent Wars:0
 * Troops:0
 * Multiple Fronts:-30 (From scraw)

Result
(46.5/(46.5+10.75))*2-1= 0.62445414847 0.624*(1-1/(2*2))= 47% Collapsed in two years.

Discussion
Hmm?

Brazil
Total: 75.5*1.5=113.25
 * Location: 8.5
 * Tactical Advantage: 2+6
 * Strength: 5+5+3+3+5
 * Motive: 7
 * Morale: +3+5
 * Chance: 9
 * Edits: 960
 * UTC (00:24) = 0*1*2*4= 8
 * 960/8 * pi = 376.991118431
 * Nation Age: -10
 * Population: 8+2
 * Participation: +10
 * Number of Troops: 100,000/25,000 = 4
 * Theaters of War:
 * Concurrent Wars:
 * Recent Wars:

Dutch Guinea
Total: 22.75
 * Location: 5.75
 * Tactical Advantage: 5+8
 * Strength: 5
 * Motive: 9
 * Morale: +3
 * Nation Age: 0
 * Population: 7
 * Participation: +10
 * Recent Wars:0
 * Troops strength:0
 * Conccurent Fighting:-30

Spain
Total: 30.25
 * Location: -3.5
 * Tactical Advantages: +2
 * Strength: +5 +3.75
 * Motive: +3
 * Morale: +3
 * Chance: +4
 * Population: +8+2
 * Nation Age: -5
 * Recent Wars: -2
 * Troops: 100k/20k = +5
 * Multiple Fronts: -5
 * Participation: +10

Dutch Africa
Total: 2.75
 * Location: +5.75
 * Strength: +5
 * Tactical: +5
 * Motive: +5
 * Morale: +3
 * Chance: +2
 * Population: +7
 * Nation Age: 0
 * Recent Wars: 0
 * Multiple Fronts: -30

Result
(30.25/(30.25+2.75))*2-1 = .83333333

.83333*(1-1/(2*2)) = .625 Discussion Hmm?

IT IS DONE

Spain & Japan
Total: 37.5
 * Location: -3.5
 * Tactical Advantages: +2
 * Strength: +5 +5 +3
 * Motive: +3
 * Morale: +3
 * Chance: +4
 * Population: +8 +10
 * Nation Age: -5
 * Recent Wars: -6
 * Troops: 200k/50k = +4
 * Multiple Fronts: -5
 * Participation: +10

Netherlands
Total: 6
 * Location: +5.75
 * Strength: +5 -5 (vassals and all) -.25 (for vassal 4)
 * Tactical: +5
 * Motive: +5 +9 (for the vassals)
 * Morale: +3
 * Chance: +2
 * Population: +8
 * Nation Age: 0
 * Recent Wars: 0
 * Multiple Fronts: -30

Result
(37.5/(37.5+6))*2-1 = .72413

.72413*(1-1/(2*2)) = .5431 Discussion Hmm?

Indian Empire
Total: 107
 * Location: +8
 * Tactical Advantage: +2 [Invaders Advantage] +6 [Surprise Attack] = +8
 * Strength: +5 [India] +5 [Much Larger Economy] +3 [Better Military] +3 [Fully Mobilized] +5 [Naval Dominance] = +24
 * Motive: +7 [Imposing Political Hegemony]
 * Morale: -2 [Non-Democratic] +5 [High Morale] = +3
 * Chance: +8
 * Edits: 1803
 * UTC (05:25): 0*5*2*5 = 50
 * (1803/50)*pi: 113.285831088
 * Population: +9 [Population] +20 [More Than 10 Times Larger Population] = +29
 * Nation Age: -5 [Young Nation]
 * Recent Wars: -2
 * Number of Troops: 340,000/20,000 = +17
 * Participation: +10

Dutch East Indies
Total: 12.75
 * Location: +5.75
 * Tactical Advantage: +5 [Defenders Advantage] +6 [Amphibious Landing] = +11
 * Strength: +5 [Netherlands]
 * Motive: +5 [Defending Territory Not Part of Heartland]
 * Morale: +3 [Democratic] -5 [Low Morale] = -2
 * Chance: +5
 * Edits: 1803
 * UTC (05:25): 0*5*2*5 = 50
 * (1803/50)*pi: 113.285831088
 * Population: +8
 * Nation Age: -5 [Old Nation]
 * Multiple Fronts: -30
 * Number of Troops: 20,000/340,000 = +0
 * Participation: +10

Result
(107/(107+12.75))*2-1 =  0.787056

( 0.787056 )*(1-1/(2*1)) =  0.393528

''' That means, India can take away 39.3% of Dutch East Indies in a single year. Ofcourse I won't be taking all that but gives me the negotiating power. '''

UGK
Total: 67.75
 * Location: 5.75
 * Tactical Advantages: +2 +6
 * Strength: +5 +3 +3 +5
 * Motive: +7
 * Morale: +3
 * Chance:
 * Population: +8+2
 * Nation Age: +5
 * Recent Wars: -2
 * Troops: 100k/20k = +5
 * Multiple Fronts:
 * Participation: +10

Dutch East Indies
Total: 0.75
 * Location: +5.75
 * Strength: +5
 * Tactical: +5
 * Motive: +5
 * Morale: +3
 * Chance:
 * Population: +7
 * Nation Age: 0
 * Recent Wars: 0
 * Multiple Fronts: -30

China
Total: 6.5
 * Location: +8 .5
 * Tactical Advantage: +2 [Invaders Advantage] = 2
 * Strength: +5 (China)
 * Motive: +3 (Economic until said otherwise)
 * Morale: -2 [Non-Democratic] -10 (Government not supported by the people because of Civil War) -2 (WAR not supported by people (non-democratic (civil war) ): -10 (Concurrent wars)  - Low morale -5 (Chance below 1) = -29
 * Chance: +0
 * Edits: 106
 * UTC (15:21): 1*5*2*1 = 10
 * (106/10)*pi: 33.3008821281
 * Population: +9 [Population]  +10 if the larger nation is between five and ten times the population of the smaller.(Based on OTL 1900 estimates, China's population was about 6.69 times larger than Japan's population.) = + 19
 * Nation Age: 0 [Maturing Nation]
 * Recent Wars: -2 (Civil War)
 * Number of Troops: 10,000/145,000 = 0
 * Participation: +10
 * Alliance breaking: -10

Empire of Korea and Imperial Japan
Total: 107
 * Location: +15 (At location of the war)
 * Tactical Advantage: +5 [Defenders Advantage]
 * Strength: +5 Korea + 5 Japan +5 [Much Larger Economy] +3 [Better Military] +3 [Fully Mobilized] +5 [Naval Dominance] = +26
 * Motive: +5 [Defending Territory Part of the Heartland that is not a fatal attack) (Korea) + Aiding Ally (Japan) = +8 = 4
 * Morale: Democratic Government : +3  + 5 High morale
 * Chance:+8
 * Edits: 16,490
 * UTC (15:21): 1*5*2*1 = 10
 * (16,492/10)*pi: 5180.48628577
 * Population: +8
 * Nation Age:  +5 (Mature nation) 
 * Multiple Fronts: 0
 * Number of Troops:  145,000 + 5,000=150,000/10,000 = +15
 * Participation: +10

Result
(106/(106+20))*2-1 =  0.68253968252

(0.68253968252)*(1-1/(2*1)) =34.127%

The Chinese Invasion of Korea is decimated and the Chinese force is pushed back. Korea/Japan can claim 4% of Chinese land.

Imperial Japan

 * Location: +8 (Next to the Location of the War)
 * Tactical Advantage: +2 [Invaders Advantage] = 2
 * Strength: ) + 5 Japan +5 Korea +5 [Much Larger Economy] +3 [Better Military] +3 [Fully Mobilized] +5 [Naval Dominance] = +26
 * Motive: +7 (Attacking to enforce political hegemony: +7) +3 (Korea, aiding ally) = 5
 * Morale: -2 [Non-Democratic]  +5 (Troop Morale High) = +3
 * Chance: +9
 * Edits: 108
 * UTC (19:37): 1*9*3*7 = 189
 * (108/189)*pi: 1.79519580205
 * Population:+8
 * Nation Age: +5 (Mature nation)
 * Recent Wars: (Hamburg, Tartary, Dutch,) -6
 * Number of Troops: 442,000/50,000 (per Super's word of remants of loyalist forces)= 8.82 = +9
 * Participation: +10
 * Total: 79

Shun China

 * Location: +15
 * Tactical Advantage: +5 [Defender's Advantage] = +5
 * Strength: +5 (China)
 * Motive: +9 (Defending Core/heartland from possibly fatal attack)
 * Morale: -2-10-2-5-10-2= -31
 * Chance: +0
 * Edits: 106
 * UTC (15:21): 1*5*2*1 = 10
 * (106/10)*pi: 33.3008821281
 * Population: +9 [Population]  (Due to the Civil War Shun China could only realistically control about 100 million people, while Japan has about 72 million people = +2 = +11
 * Nation Age: 0 [Maturing Nation]
 * Recent Wars: -2
 * Number of Troops:
 * Participation: +10
 * Total: 22

Result

 * (79/(79+22))*2-1= 0.564356435*1.5=0.846534653
 * (1-1/(2*1))= 0.423267326
 * 34.2%, Shun Chinese Government toppled in 1 year.

Chinese Coalition

 * Location: +8.5 (Next to the Location of the War)
 * Tactical Advantage: +2 [Invaders Advantage] = 2
 * Strength: 5 (Chinese Coalition, One Democratic Government, stated by Super)
 * Motive: Taking territory of similar culture but not part of nation (Beijing was never part of the Collition, it was only part of the Shun Dyansty, which collapsed earlier in the year): +5
 * Morale: -+3 Democratic -10 (Concurrent wars) -10 (Chinese Civil War) -3 (War not supported by people; you're wrecking what's left of your economy)-5 (Low morale)  = -25
 * Chance: +1
 * Edits: 111
 * UTC (17:10): 1*7*1*1 = 7
 * (111/7)*pi: 49.8166835069
 * Population: +9 + 2 (Japan now has about 80 million people while China now has 300 million people) = +11
 * Nation Age: -10 (New Born Nation)
 * Recent Wars: (Chinese Civil War): -2
 * Number of Troops: 600,000/500,000 =  +1.2
 * Participation: +10
 * Total: 1.7

Imperial Japan

 * Location: +15
 * Tactical Advantage: +5 [Defender's Advantage] = +5
 * Strength: +5 (Japan) +5 (Korea) +5 Much larger economy - +3 Better military +3 Fully mobilized +5 Naval dominance:  = + 26
 * Motive: Defending territory not held for more than 20 years: + 4
 * Morale: Non-democratic Government: -2 -5Lowmorale
 * Chance: +6
 * Edits: 112
 * UTC (17:10): 1*7*1*1 = 7
 * (112/7)*pi: 50.2654824574
 * Population: +8 (Japan  has about 80 million)
 * Nation Age: +5 [Mature Nation]
 * Recent Wars: -10 (Hamburg War, Tartary War, Dutch War, 2xSinoJapanese, )
 * Number of Troops: 500,000/600,000 = .83... = +1
 * Participation: +10
 * Total: 63

Result
(63/(63+1.7))*2-1= 0.947449768*1.5=1.421174652

1.421174652 X (1-1/(2*1))=0.14516129=0.710587326

After a hard fought battle, the joint Japanese-Korean defense of Beijing is successful. The joint Japanese-Korean defense may take 4% of The Chinese Coallition's land.

West Czechia
Total: 6.5
 * Location: 8.5
 * Tactical Advantages: 2
 * Strength: 5
 * Motive: 6
 * Morale: -2-10-5-10(Concurrent civil war)
 * Chance:1
 * Edits: 2412
 * UTC time:20:37
 * Result: 2412/42*pi=180.4171781
 * Population: 8
 * Nation Age: -5
 * Recent Wars: -2
 * Troops: 50k/100k =
 * Multiple Fronts:
 * Participation: 10

East Czechia
Total: 67
 * Location: 15
 * Strength: 5+3+3
 * Tactical: 5
 * Motive: 9
 * Morale: 3+5
 * Chance: 7
 * Population: +7
 * Nation Age: -5
 * Recent Wars: -2
 * Troops: 100k/50k=2
 * Multiple Fronts:
 * Participation:10

Result
Win in one year, counter-attack time.

East Czechia
Total: 62
 * Location: 15
 * Strength: 5+3+3
 * Tactical: 2
 * Motive: 7
 * Morale: 3+5
 * Chance: 7
 * Population: +7
 * Nation Age: -5
 * Recent Wars: -2
 * Troops: 100k/50k=2
 * Multiple Fronts:
 * Participation:10

West Czechia
Total: 12.5
 * Location: 8.5
 * Tactical Advantages: 5
 * Strength: 5
 * Motive: 9
 * Morale: -2-10-5-10(Concurrent civil war)
 * Chance:1
 * Edits: 2412
 * UTC time:20:37
 * Result: 2412/42*pi=180.4171781
 * Population: 8
 * Nation Age: -5
 * Recent Wars: -2
 * Troops: 50k/100k =
 * Multiple Fronts:
 * Participation: 10

Result
(62/(62+12.5))*2-1=0.66442953*1.5=0.996644295

0.996644295*(1-1/(2*1))=0.498322147.                  I am spending the day with my mom for her birthday and thus I will not be able to post by 5:00 PM PDT. May I please post after that? Thanks in advance. -KawaiiKame

Spain

 * Location: 4* 1.125
 * Tactical: +2 +5
 * Strength: +6 +5 +3
 * Motive: +3
 * Morale +3
 * Chance: 17895/24*pi = 2342.45002
 * Population: +8 +20
 * Troop Number: 70000/20000
 * Nation Age: -5
 * Recent Wars: -2
 * Participation: +10
 * Total: 75

Two West Africa countries

 * Location: 15
 * Tactical: +5
 * Strength: +4 +4
 * Motive: +9
 * Morale: -2 -5+1
 * Chance: 0
 * Nation Age: -5
 * Other stuff: +10
 * Total: 36

Result
(75/75+36)*2-1 = 0.351351351351351351...

35.13 * .75 = 26.3475 (another war coming later) gg west african kingdoms

wrong, mofo SkyGreen24

kind of right. biatch

Indian Empire
Total: 102.8
 * Location: +8
 * Tactical Advantage: +2 [Invaders Advantage] +6 [Surprise Attack] = +8
 * Strength: +5 [India] +5 [Udaipur] +5 [Punjab] +5 [Much Larger Economy] +3 [Better Military] +3 [Fully Mobilized] +5 [Naval Dominance] = +34
 * Motive: +7 [Religious Kinsmen]
 * Morale: -2 [Non-Democratic] +5 [High Morale] = +3
 * Chance: +8
 * Edits: 1875
 * UTC (19:23): 1*9*2*3 = 54
 * (1875/54)*pi: 109.08307825
 * Population: +9 [Population] +20 [More Than 10 Times Larger Population] = +29
 * Nation Age: -5 [Young Nation]
 * Recent Wars: -2
 * Number of Troops: 640,000/50,000 = +12.8

Burmese Empire
Total: 27
 * Location: +15
 * Tactical Advantage: +5 [Defenders Advantage]
 * Strength: +5 [Burma]
 * Motive: +9 [Defending Territory Not Part of Heartland]
 * Morale: -2 [Non-Democratic] -5 [Low Morale] = -7
 * Chance: +3
 * Edits: 1875
 * UTC (19:23): 1*9*2*3 = 54
 * (1875/54)*pi: 109.08307825
 * Population: +7
 * Nation Age: -5 [New Nation]
 * Number of Troops: 50,000/640,000 = +0

Result
(102.8/(102.8+27))*2-1 =  0.58397534668

( 0.58397534668 )*(1-1/(2*2)) =  0.43798151001

''' That means, India can take away 43.7% of Burmese territory in two years. If there are any mistake with the algorithm, please fix it. '''

Brazil and Andea
Total: 110.19
 * Location: .66+3
 * Tactical Advantage: 2+6
 * Strength: +6(Andea)+5(Ferdinand)+5(Brazil)+5+3+3+5=32
 * Motive: 7+3+3=4.3
 * Morale: +3
 * Chance: 9
 * Edits: 960
 * UTC (00:24) = 0*1*2*4= 8
 * 960/8 * pi = 376.991118431
 * Nation Age: 5
 * Population: 8+20
 * Participation: +10
 * Number of Troops: 180,000/25,000 = 7.2
 * Theaters of War:0
 * Concurrent Wars:0
 * Recent Wars:0

Zulu
Total: 41
 * Location: 15
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * Strength: 5
 * Motive: 9
 * Morale: -7
 * Nation Age: -0
 * Population: 7
 * Participation: +10
 * Recent Wars:0
 * Troops strength: 0
 * Theaters of War:0
 * Concurrent Wars:0

Result
The Hesperian Coaltion collapses the Zulu in 2 years.

Discussion
No ambibous landing utlized as the troops would move through Cape Ferdinand

Second Winter War
(ironic as it was declared in summer)

New Munich Pact
Total: 56.75
 * Location: 9-4.5/2 = 2.25
 * Tactical Advantage: 2+6
 * Strength: 5 + 6 + 2.75 + 2.75 + 3
 * Motive: 7+3 = 5
 * Morale: 3
 * Chance: +4
 * Edits:1,723
 * UTC (22:05) = 2*2*1*5=20
 * 1,723/20= 86.15 * pi = 270.648207107
 * Nation Age: 5
 * Population: 8
 * Participation: +10
 * Number of Troops: 150,000 + 200,000/300,000 = 1
 * Theaters of War:0
 * Concurrent Wars:0
 * Recent Wars:-4
 * Treaty breaking (Art. 4 of Treaty of Reykjavik): -5

UNR
Total: 62.218
 * Location: -4.5+15.9375 (Helluland) /2= 5.7185
 * Tactical Advantage: 5
 * Strength: 5 (Helluland) + 5 (Iceland) +5 (Econ) + 5 (Navy) +3 (Mil)
 * Motive: 10+5=15/2=7.5
 * Morale: 3
 * Chance: +8
 * Edits:6,855
 * UTC (22:05) = 2*2*1*5=20
 * 6,855/20=  242.75   * pi =  1076.78088202
 * Nation Age: 0
 * Population: 8+2
 * Participation: +10
 * Recent Wars: 0
 * Troops strength: 0
 * Theaters of War:0
 * Concurrent Wars: -10

Result
So yeah ...

Discussion
War declaration turn never said that it was declared in summer. Crim de la Crème 00:18, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

The twenty-year Nap from the Treaty of Rejkavik has expired. Could a mod look over this algo? Shikata ga nai! 02:15, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

Summary of complaints:

1) Scandinavia is far from location. If Crim is referring to Iceland, then that's stage 3 not 6 industrialization. You can't have it both ways

2) Helluland is not Scandinavia's "core" by any stretch of the imagination

3) Helluland is still land-locked

4) Borealia and Algonquia together have vastly mor popualtion than all of Scanidinavia

5) Tundra still cancels out

6) The Treaty of Reyjkavik has expired.

I think it's pretty clear crim is grasping at straws. Nathan1123 (talk) 02:36, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

(This algo is fixing up chance and the Treaty of Rejavik, I didn't change Nathan's complaints, I'll leave that to the mods.) KawaiiKame (talk) 03:00, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not the one who put the population/strength scores. Pretty quick to jump to that conclusion, I see. Helluland isn't landlocked by any sense of the word. If you can send a navy through the northwest passage (lol), I really don't see how you expect that argument to even stand. The tundra does not cancel out because the capital of Algonquia and Borealia aren't in tundras. Regarding the treaty, article 4 of the treaty does not have an expiration date. Crim de la Crème 03:46, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

Crim, even if Algonquia and Borealia don't have their capitals in tundra (I do, incidentally, good to see you never checked to see what my capital was), that's irrelevant. Their troops are attacking from tundra onto tundra, meaning that the penalty is cancelled out regardless of capital location. This is how it's always been done - look at the Mexacan-Californian War. Also, I'm assuming you agree with all of Nathan's other complaints, since you didn't respond to any of them? Shikata ga nai! 12:22, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

Crim, this isn't our first barbecue. You agreed to cancel out the tundra, and assume Helluland was landlocked the first winter war. Did geography change in 20 years? You yourself wish to retcon the decalration in summer, making the waters too frozen for any navy to be involved

Technically, this should come out the same way as the first winter war, except this time Scandinavia doesn't have the 1.5 multiplier. Thus logically Algonquia should win.

Also, I reiterate that Helluland is not Scandinavia's core, and is in fact far away from Scandinavia. If you're referring to Iceland specifically, then that's a much lower industrial stage then you gave. Nathan1123 (talk) 14:06, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

I personally agree with Nathan on the following.
 * 1) Helluland would be landlocked, just like it was in the original Algorithm
 * 2) Tundra would cancel out, just like it was in the original Algorithm.
 * 3) Since Crim emphasized on the point that the war had not started in Summer, rather Winter, than that would mean no presence of the Scandivanian navy in the Hudson Bay. However, it is quite possible for Scandivania to impose a blockade upon Algonquian Atlantic Trade.

It wasn't landlocked in the first war and it's not landlocked in this one. Looking at the algorithm, the tundra thing didn't cancel out. Hellulamd is fighting to defend its core and Iceland is aiding. Summer declaration wasn't retconned because it was never in the game to begin with. Crim de la Crème 16:07, June 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * I shall be quoting MP twice, in regards to whether or not Tundra should be cancelled out.
 * "Mexaca has desert as well, so I believe the respective bonuses cancel out, since both sides would know how to fight in desert." ~ Monster Pumpkin [1]
 * Yeah, the arctic thing should cancel, since both sides should know what they're doing, unless someone wants to initiate a challenge and suggest that they have no experience in arctic warfare. ~ Monster Pumpkin [2] 
 * The United Nordic Republic cannot expect to access Helluland via the Hudson Bay since it it frozen throughout Winter. There is no question of whether Helluland is landlocked or not [Which it is not] because the Hudson Bay being frozen prevents UNR ships from reaching Helluland regardless. The only case in which UNR troops could possibly arrive at Helluland would be in Summer and than, there would be no 'Tundra Penalty' for New Munich.
 * Regardless of whether the UNR can access the Hudson Bay or not, UNR can still impose a naval blockade upon Algonquia by blocking Algonquian Atlantic trade. Hence, UNR would receive 'naval dominance'.

Helluland isn't an independent entity. It's never been treated as independent, never been posted for independently, and never been anything more than a colony (which was established about 200 years too early). Setting that aside, however, Iceland's population in modern times is 300,000, and in 1900 OTL it was 82,000. Assuming a ridiculous rate of growth and a population probably living on the edge of starvation due to resource exhaustion and an inability to grow enough food to feed itself, Iceland could have maybe 150,000 ATL, plus about 25,000 apiece for Greenland and Helluland. This would mean Algonquia and Borealia have the +20 population bonus. Since economy follows from population at least to some degree, it's reasonable to assume Iceland's economy would be smaller, especially since it would be overcrowded and suffering from catastrophic erosion due to overpopulation. Shikata ga nai! 17:41, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

Crim, if you're pulling the card that "Helluland is defending it's core", (which would be stupid as it applies to everything) then you need to drastically take down the industrial strength, et. al. The rest of my above complaints still stand.

To be perfectly frank, I don't really care how this war ends up, I'm just sick and tired of Crim's cheating. Nathan1123 (talk) 21:14, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

So I removed the treaty breaking and tundra bonus and added the +10 for population. Shikata ga nai! 23:32, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

Tundra bonus needs to be discussed, as does the treaty breaking. Pop's a pretty decent estimate. Iceland has about 1-2 million, like in last war. As far as Helluland goes, it's counted separately, like in last algo. The cheating accusations are just lovely and always appreciated, so thanks for that. Crim de la Crème 23:37, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

Crim, we've discussed the tundra bonus. and thus far it's basically been you asserting it should be applied against logic and precedent. I'm not sure what else there is to say about that. The last algo was very wrong, so let's not use it as an example.

Iceland doesn't have 1-2 million. Iceland's carrying capacity, especially in the early 1900s, is not even remotely that high. As this source (http://www.academia.edu/3657970/Simulating_dynamic_carrying_capacity_of_the_Icelandic_environment_for_land_use_in_relation_to_past_and_future_climatic_fluctuations) says, Iceland's preindustrial carrying capacity was 30-60,000 people. Even assuming that this quintupled in the industrial era, which seems overgenerous, the maximum population Iceland could sustain would be 300,000 - roughly its current OTL population. Put 1-2 million people in Iceland and you'd get massive erosion, overexploitation of land, agricultural degradation and soon famine. It's absurd to think Iceland can have that many people.

Helluland isn't an independent entity. If you want to post for it separately, do so, but, as you said when you formed the UNR, "Iceland inherited Helluland". It's not independent. Assuming mods somehow let you treat it as such, the location bonus should be averaged between Iceland and Helluland, meaning it won't be 15. Shikata ga nai! 00:59, June 21, 2015 (UTC)

As previously discussed, the UNR is one entity in algos. I imagine that would explain the population, but if that's the case, then I want to know where the score for Helluland came from. Also the treaty thing is a bit iffy, but I see where both sides are coming from.

Everything else should be fixed. Let me know if there are any problems I didn't see.

"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 02:27, June 21, 2015 (UTC)

If the UNR is fighting as one entity, algo should reflect that. Fix'd. Crim de la Crème 06:43, June 21, 2015 (UTC)

If UNR is to be treated as a single entity in the algorithm, than the following changes must take place.
 * 1) Helluland and Iceland must be removed from 'Strength' and replaced with UNR. Judging by the Industrial Algorithm Map, UNR would receive +6.
 * 2) While I am aware that the UNR is a heavily industrialized and modern state, I doubt UNR would receive "Much Larger Economy" in Strength. UNR should rather receive +3 for "Larger Economy".
 * 3) Unless the UNR opens a second front by attacking Algonquia and blockading the Atlantic, it is not possible for the UNR to maintain 'Naval Dominance' since the war is centered around the Hudson Bay and the Hudson Bay is frozen most of the year.
 * 4) The UNR motive would be "Defending Territory not part of Heartland, but held for 20 Years". Hence, UNR should receive only +5 in Motive.
 * 5) Based off otl statistics, the population of UNR for 1905 would be 13,186,500 or roughly 13.1 million. Even if the Nordic population is vastly exaggerated and the population somehow tripled and became 39.5 million, I doubt the population of the UNR would be greater than that of Algonquia + Borealia. Therefore, the New Munich Pact should receive a population bonus, not the UNR.
 * 6) Finally, I would like to question whether the UNR has the capability to deploy and supply a force of 200,000 soldiers in Helluland. Given the geographical conditions of Helluland and the fact that the Hudson Bay is frozen most of the year, it would not be possible for the Nordic force of 200,000 to sustain the war. They'd collapse due to attrition.

Spain

 * Location: 4* 1.125
 * Tactical: +2 +5
 * Strength: +6 +5 +3
 * Motive: +3
 * Morale +3
 * Chance: 17929/42*pi = 1341.086
 * Population: +8 +20
 * Troop Number: 80000/20000
 * Nation Age: -5
 * Recent Wars: -2
 * Participation: +10
 * Total: 74.5

Two West Africa countries

 * Location: 15
 * Tactical: +5
 * Strength: +4 +4
 * Motive: +9
 * Morale: -2 -5+1
 * Chance: 6
 * Nation Age: -5
 * Other stuff: +10
 * Recent Wars: -2 -2
 * Total: 38

Result
(75/75+36)*2-1 = 0.324444444444444444444....

32.44 * .75 = 16.2222%

16.2222 + 26.3475 = 42.5697

finally toppled after three years of bs

Morocco

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical: 2
 * Strength: 15
 * Motive: 3
 * Morale: 5
 * Chance: 6
 * Population: 10
 * Nation Age: 5
 * Other stuff: +10
 * Total: 60

Three West African Countries

 * Location: 15
 * Tactical: 5
 * Strength: 12
 * Motive: 9
 * Morale: 1
 * Chance: 6
 * Nation Age: -5
 * Other stuff: +10
 * Recent Wars: -2 -2
 * Total: 49

Result
Morocco collapses the three West African countries in two years.

Tripartite Pact
<p style="font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">Total: 126.25
 * Location: +8 [Caliphate] +15 [Kingdom of Habsha] +4 [Udaipur] -4 [Formosa] = 23/4 = +5.75
 * Tactical Advantage: +2 [Invaders Advantage]
 * Strength: +5 [Caliphate] +5 [Kingdom of Habsha] +5 [Udaipur] +5 [Formosa] +5 [Much Larger Economy] +3 [Better Military] +3 [Fully Mobilized] +5 [Naval Dominance] = +36
 * Motive: +7 +6 +7 +3/4 = +5.5
 * Morale: -2 [Non-Democratic] +5 [High Morale] = +3
 * Chance: +9
 * Edits: 3950 + 1904 + 168 = 6022
 * UTC (17:37): 1*7*3*7 = 147
 * (6020/147)*pi: 128.698441904
 * Population: +9 [Population] +20 [More Than 10 Times Larger Population] = +29
 * Nation Age: +5
 * Number of Troops: 340,000/20,000 = +17
 * Participation: +10

<span class="mw-headline" id="Bengali_Coalition" style="border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">African Rebels
<p style="font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">Total: 48
 * Location: +15
 * Tactical Advantage: +5 [Defenders Advantage] +6 [Amphibious Landing] = +11
 * Strength: +5 [African Rebels]
 * Motive: +9 [Fatal Attack]
 * Morale: -2 [Non-Democratic] -5 [Low Morale] = -7
 * Chance: +8
 * Edits: 3950 + 1904 + 168 = 6022
 * UTC (17:37): 1*7*3*7 = 147
 * (6020/147)*pi: 128.698441904
 * Population: +7
 * Nation Age: -10 [Newborn Nation]
 * Number of Troops: 20,000/340,000 = +0
 * Participation: +10

Result
(126.25/(126.25+48))*2-1 =  0.787056

( 0.44906743185 )*(1-1/(2*2)) =  0.33680057388

'''Toppled in two years. '''

Brazil
Total: 37
 * Location: 8.5-4.5/2= 2
 * Tactical Advantage: 2+6
 * Strength: 6+5
 * Motive: 3
 * Morale: -2
 * Nation Age: -10+0/2=-5
 * Population: 7
 * Participation: +10
 * Number of Troops: 150,000/200,000=0
 * Theaters of War:0
 * Concurrent Wars:0
 * Recent Wars: -4

Namibia
Total: 57.1875
 * Location: 16.875-4.5/2=6.1875
 * Tactical Advantage: 2+8 (Tropical)
 * Strength: 5 (Namiba (I forgot the name of my colony, so sure)) +6 (UNR) + 5 (Econ) +5 (Navy) + 3 (Mil)
 * Motive: 9+3=12/2=6
 * Morale: 3
 * Nation Age: 0
 * Population: 8+2
 * Participation: +10
 * Recent Wars:-2
 * Troops strength: 200,000/150,000
 * Theaters of War:0
 * Concurrent Wars:-10

Result
Done with help from Sky (Thanks, skyboo) Crim de la Crème 07:08, June 21, 2015 (UTC)