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Knightfall
Hello FS, I was alerting you that you are invited to a new closed-group timeline by the name of Knightfall that was thought of by Guns and I. Basically in the TL, Ogedei Khan doesn't die right before the Mongols invade Western Europe and they go on to conquer much of the continent, as the Holy Roman Empire was weak at the time due to the College of Cardinals being busy electing a new Pope in Rome, with the current Holy Roman Emperor, Frederick II, camped outside the walls of Rome. If you are interested, feel free to sign up and we'll get the ball rolling soon hopefully.

—Bfoxius (talk)

It's fine, we all have off-wiki responsibilities and committments. Glad to have you interested.

—Bfoxius (talk)

With a different lyrics, could this be a good Communist (North) Japanese anthem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LRMEor1eV0

This is the former prefectural anthem for Karafuto. The only thing needed is to change the lyrics.

I would like to know your opinion.

General tiu (talk) 00:34, June 30, 2015 (UTC)

Topic, Volhínian dictionary
Just to confirm the alternate history has not yet been completed yet with a timeline so its still in the works, only been created a few days ago so it would be appreciated if you don't delete my works before the rest of related pages are complete.

Regards. Mrpersomana

I'm sorry but you don't have the right to rename pages you are just a talk moderator and not a senior administrator. I think you should consult fellow admin before you start playing God.

Mrpersomana

I think your Philippines and Moroland is somewhat implausible. Firstly, Mindanao has more than 3 million people. Secondly, the muslim majority is limited to ARMM. Thirdly, Spanish is not the official language of the Philippines and malay isn't the official language of Mindanao. Zamboanga is spelled with a "Z". Sorry if I sounded blunt, but I am kind of offended cause I am from the Philippines. Candiesrgood (talk) 13:54, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

大和民國憲法
Google Translate says this is Chinese - not Japanese.

Bil

EoGuy (talk) 15:20, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

Peking
There is even the older form - Peking - as in the food Peking Duck.

In Esperanto the city is known as Pekingo, IIRC.

Bil EoGuy (talk) 15:56, August 6, 2015 (UTC)

Why did you revert my corrections?
Bil EoGuy (talk) 05:10, August 19, 2015 (UTC)

I'll go back and check it again.
Thanks

Bil EoGuy (talk) 08:21, August 19, 2015 (UTC)

Re:Question on Patel
Stooge hi! It has been a looooong while and I have been fairly (read: very) busy man. How are you and the TL. If you are still wondering on the question, the biggest change I could see would be the Kashmir issue would either not exist or not be much of a problem as Nehru was responsible for taking it to the UN. I could also see a stronger military being implemented (a significant change tho perhaps not overly so) and slightly less socialist policies - definitely more small-business supporting laws.

Anyway, it was good talking to you again! Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:36, December 22, 2015 (UTC)

Bothered my time? What rubbish FS. I enjoy our convos man, so not really bothering me. ;)

Tell me about it. Last year of school (tho its called college in India surprisingly) and boy have things been stressful, Getting into Uni and making an application becomes like no.1 priority. Yeah, I burned out twice in the past six months, mainly in the last two months hahaha.

The TL looks to be progressing nicely. Slow progression could mean good progression I would say. And no problem about Patel, I mean I'm currently in India so a question about the country had to be answered! Oh it would definitely be interesting, but I would keep in mind although socialist presence would be no where near as strong - it would not die out. I would have a look at the liberalisation of the Indian economy in 1991 to see how positively it has benefit the country (imagine even half the effect - in the 50s!).

Merry Christmas FS, and Happy New Year to you too! Imp (Say Hi?!) 14:07, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

Should've replied earlier but man I get distracted easy haha.

I'll be heading off to uni by the end of 2016 so now I know to expect multiple burnouts ^.^ Aw damn man, but as long as you have even a couple close friends you trust with stuff then its manageable. Haha yea this wiki is great to come back to after life gets intense. Yea I would think the third year would be very intense but you gotta just keep going man. South east Asian? Its common across all of South Asia I would say (and China, Korea and Japan) so I know that feeling hahaha.

That's awesome man, I look forward to answering more questions to the best of my knowledge!

Thank you! Enjoy 2016 man and hopefully its a good year for you (and the rest of us) as well. :)  Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:32, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Hi!
Sorry to bother you, but I saw what you said on FilipinoMan's talk page. I just want to add that Muslim Mindanao (Bangsamoro) does have a considerable Muslim minority, and the most likely region to adopt Malay or a Malay-based language as a lingua franca. However, the rest of the Philippines is a Hispanicised, partly Sinified society that has greatly grew apart from their Southern neighbours after years of foreign influence (initially from China and Brunei), and colonisation. For them, Tagalog is more likely to be adopted because of the heavy presence of Spanish loanwords.

Hi
Could you help me with a question? Would Imperial Japan allow a state become independent (albeit with a Japanese-dominated government, making it a de facto extension of Japanese will), or would it stay a territory (like a colony) of Imperial Japan?

Re:Hi
Hi! So basically, it would play like something like this (it may sound slightly implausible but the main change in this timeline is that there was a greater Chinese presence and considerable East Asian immigration in the Philippines prior to contact with the Spanish).


 * The state (centred in the Philippine archipelago) who I call Hani (get that reference?) is invaded by the Japanese under a Mukden Incident-like event while the European powers are distracted by the First World War.


 * The colony is led by a fellow sympathiser (though he's ethnic Japanese) for about five years from that.


 * He escapes to [insert viable country], and threatens to reveal the ruse of war to the international community unless given independence.

Would Japan allow at least de jure independence as a Japanese-dominated country or will it simply assassinate the sympathiser or what? Thanks for taking the time to answer my question! :v

A good song you might not know
Have you heard of the 4minute songs called "Hate" and "Cold Rain"? They're so good! They should deserve more views. And, for my project, did you get the pun? (the country's name is "Hani", a member of EXID).

Re:Answers
Thanks for the deep answer, and also the two suggested songs! Tell me a question if you need to know anything about the Philippines so I won't be some nonproductive scum.

OMG THAT GROUP DESERVES MORE VIEWS!

You made me listen to their songs until 2:30 am. Oh well, wouldn't mind a k-pop marathon :P

Chat
You don't seem to come to chat often, you should totally come see me since we're probably in the same time zone (when others are sleeping).

P.S – I forgot to congratulate on your the group's anniversary!

HELP
Hello, this is Candy, and I would like to say in Emancipation, Nlen, Oct, and Belial (an overobsessed Japanophile) harasses me because I stated the fact that in that mapgame, Korea is way more developed than Japan, a decade-long gap that is lenghtening every turn as Japan invests in pineapples while Korea pours all capital to modernisation projects. Korea has already adopted Western instituitions, and has partially Westernised, while Japan has not done any reforms and still has a rigid class structure. I have told them consistently that the pre-Meiji Japanese systems are incompatible with modernisation. Please educate them on the Gwangmu Reform and the Meiji Restoration as they do not take me seriously.

(and I loved the songs you gave me)

Re:Re:HELP
Whilst I do know the Gwangmu Reform correlates with the Meiji Restoration, but I forgot to add a couple key points.
 * 1) Korea was not the first to attempt modernisation and industrialisation, but rather, it followed the footsteps of Japan and China – both wanted to strengthen themselves against Western powers. Whilst Japan faced opposition (due to the unchanged rigid class structure) a few years onward, which stalled its reforms and led to it having a pre-Meiji institution until the late 1860s, China trying out modernisation would lead to Korea doing two things; 1, rejecting China as its "overlord", and 2, following Chinese reformist ideals due to the perception of Chinese ideological superiority. As showed by history, I think the latter is more likely.


 * 1) Japan allied with the British to try to supersede both Korea and China and to jointly-dominate the Asia–Pacific region. Though direct aid was somewhat limited due to British military involvement in other parts of the world, Japan was virtually a British puppet prior to the "Anglo–Japanese" split of the late 1860s. The promise to modernise Japan as the main Asian power and the dominance of a hostile power could be the impetus for Korean modernisation (since it specifically stated it would annex Korea in the Treaty of Edō).

Further note
I think the scenario will play out as like this. China initiates a reform (under the government of the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom, which is led by a self-proclaimed convert who says he is the second son of God), and becomes increasingly friendly with European powers in diplomatic and financial relations. Meanwhile, Japan, with British aid, also attempts implement reforms, and aims to colonise Korea in the future.

Heungson Daewogun, the regent and the main proponent of isolationism, will probably know of Japan's goal from Chinese diplomats. He will feel threatened by Japanese domination, but on the other end, he is also afraid of Westernisation and the destruction of the Korean heritage. I think he'll change his isolationist policy and make it to a more reformist policy. It will still probably be anti-Western due to the fact that he is an elitist and he'll feel threatened by the Western ideals of equality among classes, but I think he'll pursue a policy similar to Gwangmu Korea's. Aka, a Western "bowl" and Eastern insides.

(I won't join Miracle because I am already an EXO-L/Sone)

(and in chat Oct is harassing me once again since I got "told")

Solution
So, would a revolt from the reformist, anti-Western yangban (which I assume could have a Western-educated youth) be plausible? The yangban would surely want to keep the social hierarchy, but if Korea is colonised, that hierarchy may be broken and their interests are not fulfilled.

Could you think up any ways Korea would try to modernise in the late 1860s/early 1870s?

Re:Solution for Korea
Does it have to be colonised directly by a foreign colonial power? Because Japan turned into somewhat of a semi-colonial (meaning it has de jure sovereignty, but it cannot decide its policies until it gets approval from another power – so Japan is effectively under British will) puppet state early in the game before the waning of the British a decade later.

So Japan under de facto British rule is still not a threat to Korea? Also, does it have to be the whole of a country, because parts of China (including China proper) were colonised.

Philippines (C, P, C)
The average Filipino has 14% Chinese blood and approximately 40% Spanish blood, so I think it would be unlikely that Filipinos (apart from the less assimilated poorer masses perhaps) would consider themselves Pacific Islanders and are even less likely to develop a pan-Malay irredentist movement. And I think replacing Tagalog with Malay as the island's lingua franca is unlikely because all Philippine languages have close affinities with the Tagalog language, and despite having subtle differences in vocabulary and tone, are at least partly mutually intelligible. That is the reason why many Filipinos are trilingual (historically Spanish but then later English + regional language + Tagalog); their regional language is already similar to Tagalog.

Just a little nitpick
This says that Japanese and the Austronesian languages are grouped together under an "Austro–Japonic" language family. Well, in my honest opinion (not trying to sound douchey), such grouping or suggestion of a genetic link is implausible for a number of reasons.

Firstly, the syntax (order of placed words) is different. While the Austronesian languages have a verb-object-subject order, Japanese has the opposite; a subject-object-verb order. Second, there's virtually no lexical links (no cognates etc.) between Japanese and the Austronesian languages. The only cognates I could found are loanwords from foreign languages such as Chinese or English. Thirdly, the perceived similarities between Japanese and Austronesian phomemes (and the fact that they both have an average of five vowels) are probably only a result of geographic proximity or mere coincidence.

If anything, you should've grouped Korean and Japanese together as one group (as most linguists do agree that they do have some genetic links). They both share the same syntax, similar grammar, an important system of honorifics, and an agglutinative morphology. Proto–Korean and proto–Japanese have numerous cognates. [and by the way, do you know gfriend?]

Re:Re:Just a little nitpick
Cool. Wait, so, what happens with Korea? You mentioned that it was not going to be colonised by the Japanese, yet there's mention of some Japanese colonial administration stationed in Southern Korea (how I interpreted it). May you elaborate on this? Also, I noticed the population is a tad larger, does that mean there's extra Japanese settlers ( Momo will be living in Korea <3 ) or due to other factors (e.x., lesser death rate during the early twentieeth century, earlier headstart) the Korean population has simply grown larger?

And also, what happens with the Philippines? Do the Japanese settle in the Philippines, or does it remain basically the same as it is OTL?

Interesting concept. I have a few more questions. So, is Korea formally united though just under two different spheres of influence (in a similar manner to China during the late Qing dynasty), or is it divided into two states? Also, if Korea is a protectorate of Japan, then Korea would have to give up its suzerainty (thereby becoming a part of Japan), and remaining only autonomous in internal affairs. Had you meant to say a protected state, a state that retains its control over all of it affairs while having a strong foreign military presence for protective measures? Momo from Twice might live in Korea hehehe

Anyways, I had an idea for a holm (forgive me for stealing some of your terminology) for a project I am working on;
 * Matthew C. Perry had landed in Busan in place of Japan, opening Korea to foreigners. Similar to real-life Japan and China, Korea will suffer from numerous unequal treaties as Europe exerts its influence and higher power status on it.
 * In a similar way to the Meiji Restoration (except in Korea there were no daimyos or was it divided into multiple feudal states), a hypothetical yangban family ousts the Yi imperial household and gets rid the imperial court of any political dissent and Yi royalists. After it consodilates its rule, it initiates Westernisation and a modernisation program similar to what was implemented in the Meiji era.
 * Meanwhile, Japan remains politically isolated until it is opened by Korea through gunboat diplomacy. While the unequal treaties imposed on Korea will start to fade away due to increasing world presence and legitimacy, it'll be the exact opposite for Japan, which will remain fractured into different warring feudal states as European powers secure access to Japan through backing different sides against each other.
 * Korea will develop an interest in Japan to gain easier access to the West Pacific, as to harness Japan's agricultural goods (as Koreans begin to specialise in the industrial sector). In place of Korea, Russia will develop an interest in Japan, with interests clashing on the 38th parallel. On Korea's western borders, Korea will challenge the Chinese view of a sinocentric regional order. Both conflicts will end in a Russo–Korean war and a Sino–Korean war. The war with the Russians will end in the division of Japan in the 38th parallel and the acceptance of a Korean presence in East Asia. The war with the Chinese, however, will completely flip the balance of power and will see China offer territorial concessions (lookin' at you Dalian and Jiandao).

Do you think this is plausible? If not, could you tell me ways to make it plausible? Thanks!

Hello? Could you give me feedback for my holm idea above? :^) like the smiley face would do any better :'c

Cherry, Plum, Chrysanthemum
May I ask how you got the timeline name, as I am struggling to find a proper one to fit my timeline. Also, I followed your advice, changing lots of things based on what might happen instead of simply reversing the roles of Korea and Japan.

Nevermind, I think the figured out the meaning behind your timeline's name (Cherry represents Korea, Plum represents China, and lastly, Chrysanthemum represents Japan). Anyways, is Gingko, Narra, Encina  a good name? Gingko represents China, Encina represents Spain, and lastly, Narra represents the Philippines, where Chosen is mainly situated in.

Philippines CPC
The motto in the Philippines page implies that Bansa means "nation", which is untrue. Bayan is what you are looking for. Also, Oh My Girl's "Windy day was so good! It's my favourite song from them lol!

Re:Korea RA
Thank you so much for messaging me. I would be absolutely honored to have you participate on this timeline. I look forward to hearing what you have in mind. ^_^ -- 01:59, July 26, 2016 (UTC)

Re:Re:Philippines CPC
Country  = bansa City/town = lungsod/barangay People   = tao Nation   = bayan

Hope that helps. Also, Filipino is not really a "mere extension of Tagalog" but rather some sort of pidgin Tagalog (but lacks accents) whose lexicon (especially nouns, adjectives and verbs) borrows extensively from English and Spanish. Also when writing Tagalog, there would be diacritics to show accents, where as to simplify the learning of Filipino they lack the use of accents altogether.

For example;

Námatày ang mga gurô sá paâralàn kasí masarap síla.
 * Tagalog

Namatay ang mga titser sa iskul kasi yummy sila.
 * Filipino (Tagalog with no accents and loanwords)

Na-die ang mga teacher sa school kasi yummy sila
 * Taglish (Filipino with more English loanwords)

Ang teachers ay matay-ed sa school kasi sila ay yummi
 * Englog (Filipino in English word order)

Examples
Do you have any sources detailling on the sinicization of Korea, Japan, and Vietnam? It'll greatly help me in my personal project and see whether or not the full sinicization of Tondo (after a period of brief Ming rule) is feasible.

Re:Re:Examples
By the way, my fellow Once, did you see how successful "TT" was? It literally blew up in views, it's almost seventy million now–I'm so happy! But apparently Somi from I.O.I might join in after it disbands, but I think it'll ruin the vibe. ㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜ