User talk:Detectivekenny



Tripartite Civil War
Sounds a great potential timeline. Wondering how you envisage the histories of the Egyptian Empire and Azteca? Perhaps the point of divergence in this history needs to be earlier? And would you like a collaborator?

Seamus The Barbarian 00:18, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Two things: 1. Yes, the Arovians accept the trade agreement. 2. Polotics do not mean much in a way to E.T.L (extra terrestrial life) but thye will interfere with it, you see, in a way peaceful alien nations or neutral Alien nations still need alliances and the only thing keeping the America-Arovian alliance alive is that, thanks to this alliance, the Arovians have millitary bases and land; I think i is better said like this - " Through diplomacy, world powers are formed" BlackSkyEmpire 08:09, January 18, 2011 (UTC)BlackskyEmpire

Pricipia moderni
I'm responding to confirm that i'm going to be an active player. Destroyanator 01:42, January 20, 2011 (UTC) Yes, I'm gonna be an active player.--Fedelede 01:51, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

I am indeed active and ready to play. BoredMatt 02:02, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

I am looking forward to another great map game! CrimsonAssassin 02:05, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Confirming Here!Baconton 11:21, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

The Aztecs are ready. Can I be confirmed as the Leader of the Aztecs?

The Aztec have taken over most of Mexico and they taken Baja California and Florida. In the map you put me as a tiny little city. I demand the Aztecs be given the amount of territory then they posses.Devil Warrior 19:54, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry that it may seem like i am ignoring your post on my talk page however unless you want me to re-do every single one of my turns then there is nothing I can do.Devil Warrior 16:55, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Confirming my activity Cloudslayer 01:57, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

Hola, DK. For the next map, could you please add only the lower (original) part of Burgundy, specified in this map, as it seems the rest has been already claimed. Thank you very much. SSS (About Me - Contact) 19:07, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

I guess both of them. Oh, that means I asked Woogers for the Duchy, cause the County seems to in the "unclaimed" part. If there's no problem, I'd like both parts. Thanks. SSS (About Me - Contact) 22:14, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe my claims were too much (this is Cosman246, who is too lazy to log in), but independence and thirty years is, IMO, too far. 66.235.60.26 06:52, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

I see your point. I'll stop claiming control over them, though I would like to keep a port of trade somewhere66.235.60.26 14:45, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Can I join the Principia Moderni Map Game? How do I get in? Are they any free countries? Sorry, I'm kind of new to the map games...ZagoriaZagoria 02:39, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I'll stop. Sorry. Cosman246 01:32, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

hello, detectivekenny. my name is janusary and i am a racially-distinct member of a prolific barbarian tribe situated many moons 'to the West'. i would greatly appreciate an opportunity to participate and would gladly start with any location you deemed appropriate. thanks for your consideration. Janusary 23:54, May 30, 2011 (UTC)

Is there still time to join? I'd quite like to be Japan, which I believe is going spare at the moment. Thanks, Sevestron 08:52, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Make Your Nation Map Game
Actually it is not active, only 2 people are playing.

PitaKang 01:54, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Um...Explain yourself please. BlackSkyEmpire 23:07, January 21, 2011 (UTC)BlackSkyEmpire

Here:


 * Millitary Tech: Anti-Mech virus chips, 3 new Dreadnaughts (airships)


 * Transportation: Unsure as of now


 * sorry, but Im a little busy at the moment but I will respnd more..and give you more details on the tech. BlackSkyEmpire 23:25, January 21, 2011 (UTC)BlackSkyEmpire

British Isles Map Game
Kenny, I was wondering if you would like to join this game I made, set during the late dark ages in Britain and Ireland. Feel free to join, just follow the rules. We'll be starting next Friday.

BoredMatt 17:11, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

Principia Map Game
I'm wondering where you got that map I've been looking for a map like that for a long time, one that completely fills in without any white parts. PitaKang 01:33, January 25, 2011 (UTC) Detective, I think your colonization order is wrong. It's unrealistic to have the colonization time by alphabetical order. Fedelede 01:51, January 28, 2011 (UTC) How's about northern Morocco? About 500 miles from Toledo. Also yeah, that is a kinda strange colonization order. Woogers - talk 02:18, January 28, 2011 (UTC) That's still not a good idea. Like, that means the navally under-developed Mamluks will colonize before the great colonizer of Portugal. No sense. Fedelede 02:25, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Kolkata
Alright, sounds reasonable. I am mainly interested because I have family in the Bihar-Jharkhand area, and the colonization seemed like it would generate an interesting mesh of cultures. So yeah, I can move a bit west. Cosman246 06:00, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Alliance? Cosman246 06:04, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, we might want to colonize them. If so, I'd like Brandenburg and Northern France :D Cosman246 06:09, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

I read the rules. I said that Portugal could not COLONIZE before the Mamluks. Read my post. --Fedelede 13:12, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Seems like a fair system to me. BoredMatt 00:07, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Alliance with Kernow
Care for one? Collectively, we'd be the unstoppable force of the South. I assure that countries taken over will be divvied up in your favor. Something like two-thirds of what we gain goes to you. ;) 19:56, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Discussion
If possible, I need to talk to you about a few things on the outside channel. Sometime in the next half hour, if possible, if not, anytime after an hour and a half from now. Woogers - talk 15:27, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

In Principia Modernii, are actual explorers of the period allowed as explorers in the map game? Woogers - talk 07:59, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Ciao Mr Kenny,

You are a very active user, and I must say, you are very good at these kind of games. I have a plan to take Lombardy and Pedimont, but I must deal with my nations own problems first. So, in times of millitary expansion, Genoa asks you that we import whatever you want from our Exports (See Genoa (Principia Moderni) for full list) and in return you give us a nice little sum of money. This trade will happen every two months, and both of our nations could benefit. Tell me when you are ready.

Grazie, Cloudslayer 06:49, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

(Sorry, mylambisblue is used for Novelas)

DK, can you get to our "regular meeting point"? There are things I want to discuss with you. SSS (About Me - Contact) 02:25, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Map
Ciao di nuovo, I don't want to sound rude, but could you make me a map of these places as one?


 * OTL Liguria


 * OTL Aosta Valley


 * OTL Piedmont

I would really apprecitate it. I have plans for these reigons with Genoa. Grazie, Cloudslayer 05:35, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Axis vs Allies (Map Game)
Hey DK, I'm wondering if you want to join in the Axis vs Allies (Map Game), a map game created by me. It's based on the Second World War, in 1933 when Hitler has just taken power. Thanks! PitaKang 00:37, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Pocecíns? Perdón, pero que es Pocecíns? Fed (talk) 19:10, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, claro. Fed (talk) 19:18, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Axis members
I believe BSE is signed up for Germany and Fedelede is signed up for Italy. Thank you for signing up for the Axis vs Allies (Map Game) PitaKang 23:06, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Axis vs Allies (Map Game)
The Map Game is starting now. Have a great map game! PitaKang 23:10, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

Hey... keep going with the whole Malaysian conflict...it seems to be leading to a World War!! I'll have malaysia give up against you, though. Batmanary

No...I keep Tenasserim and Pegu...you get the whole of Malaysia... plus in reality the allies so far are only the US and India, and maybe Britain... Italy is allied with you, which means indirectly that East Cuba is and Germany, who are heavyhitters...plus you can always expand in French Indochina and China proper, which is in the warlord era, so heavily disunited.

Lots... seriously though you also have the Dutch East Indies...Use your geographical placement...you can become a naval power... plus French Indochina isn't a mountainous wasteland...it gives you ports in the sea... and imagine holding Hong Kong, which is important for Britain?

It's non-negotiable...plus you now have malaysia which gives you another port to the indian ocean and if you capture Indonesia, you control the whole strait of Malacca...

Moderators
I'm not sure that Cosman, even though he's the creator, should be a mod. He's been showing severe implausibility as his nation, Japan, and I think that even though he's the creator, he should only be an assisstant until we can determind that he is a plausible, rational person. Also, then what can the assisstant moderator do? PitaKang 00:41, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Hey DK, I think Cosman should not be a mod for these reasons:


 * 1) Displays severe implausibility on map games, including this one


 * 1) He's only been here since June, but has only made 56 edits


 * 1) Has no active TLs, only plays Map Games


 * 1) Seems to not know some basics on History and Sciene

Thanks! Here are my reasons. Please respond ASAP. PitaKang 01:30, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

PS could you check on my Seoul article for Doomsday and give me some feedback? Thanks!

WOW
I still can't belive you're Alex..... PitaKang 16:01, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

What the.... Alex told me you were him.... who are you then? Michael? Kevin? PitaKang 22:36, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

An Opposite World
Hey Rogue would you like to help me on this TL concerning the location of power? PitaKang 00:35, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

Hanthawaddy
As Mitro said, I deleted the redirect. As for your articles, there is no need for you to have an article for a "Profile of Hanthawaddy" and "Hanthawaddy" as they would both be the same article and as such only exist to clutter up the wiki. Choose one, and edit that - the other will be marked for deletion. Lordganon 12:45, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

And all of the other nations articles for that game, as well as country articles on the rest of the wiki, have both of those things on the same page. I repeat: there is no need for both. Make the choice. Lordganon 04:40, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the rest of the articles follow a pattern that somewhat combines the two. Yours is the one that does not.

I do like your attempt to move towards actual articles with your game. However, creating redundant articles is not the way to do it. As for the Conworlds wiki, that is not this wiki. Simple as that.

As for redundancy being a reason for deletion, all you would have had to do is read our deletion policy. There's a link to it on the conventions page. To quote the line: "Copy of an existing article either on this Wiki or another Wiki"

As it stands, you having the two articles violates that.

Lordganon 11:36, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Drawing Program
The one I use is called "GIMP" It's a free program much like photoshop that you can get online. Lordganon 05:05, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Heh. Yeah, my bad on that one with the size. Saved a different thumb of it than I should have. Though, it doesn't look blurry at all to me, so all's well.

And no, I don't use a Mac. Never have, never will - cant run anything decent on the blasted things.

Lordganon 05:12, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Way I figure it, the blurry is on you - no one else has said a word, and it shows up clear to me. I suggest looking at your monitor, not my work - the vast majority of "blurry" you see, unless the format of the picture was changed - which it was not - is an issue with your own screen of some sort.

Paint is garbage. Absolutely nothing that comes through that thing ends up intact or not blurry. And it should be pretty obvious by what I said what I use, and what system it's on.

Lordganon 06:03, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

The size is one thing - but you changed the colonies. I've reverted the change, and will update the map to the proper size. Don't mess up a map like that again. Lordganon 04:35, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Talk on Map Games
Basically, if its a simple note its fine, something pointing out something for people to remember or whatnot. Example being when say the Holy Roman Empire goes to war, a note reminding people that some of the major countries on the map such as Bohemia, Brandenburg, and Burgundy are part of the empire is fine. A note referring people to the talk page for discussion of a point is also acceptable. Questions should be on the talk page, not on the main page. . It takes all of 2 seconds to check the talk page, if they get email notifications it lets them know when the talk page has been changed. If they don't check the talk page thats laziness on their part. Thats my stance on it. If you want to move the discussion as well, thats fine, I'll do it when I see it as well. Although I tend to go through phases of activity so there may be times I miss a whole bunch.Oerwinde 06:11, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure if emails are default, but I've never changed the settings and I get them.Oerwinde 06:24, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Border Dispute
I guess the mods can have a vote, or something. PitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 16:40, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

India signed a non-aggression pact with Germany, and I doubt Italy will want to restart the war with Britain... so you're basically on your own against the might of the 2 million strong Indian Army, which will take Tenasserim. You will also deal with the US and you have unnecessarily revoked your right to a total blind eye on your conquests in Malaysia and anywhere east of Burma. If you don't edit your post, Siam is literally done. Plus India actually let you do whatever, as long as you don't cross over, plus the French released Indochina, so methinks it would be wiser if you went there instead of being obliterated by a coalition of troops defending their respective land. Batmanary 03:10, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

File move requests
Great idea. I've rather clumsily created a template: Template: filemove. It may need minor tweaking but I've tested it and it seems to work. Category:File move requests has been created to handle this sort of thing. Benkarnell 20:11, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

A Different History
It doesn't have to be Roman history! It's just that I'm best at Roman History, and you're good at South-East Asian history, so you could write events for Asia. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 13:48, March 10, 2011 (UTC)

Personally for this TL, I just created a present-day page for the Mughal Empire. Like that you could just create yours, autonomous from the main page. Batmanary 08:29, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Your inflexibility with Siam
You say that you have no place to expand and yet wou have Indochina, which is free now, and has traditionsl Siamese domains, Malaysia and Indonesia, and yet you keep going after Tenasserim. I'm not letting you have it. It is my land. Batmanary

And India has pure manpower. Siam cannot realistically have 2 million people in its army. Using those calculations, mine should have at least 10 to 15 million. Totally implausible, and India had the most troops in WWII anywho. Plus I'm not threatening if it is my land. Just saying. That would be like me constantly trying to annex northern Siam. But I am not, so let it go and go after the other numerous places you have for espansion and leave Tenasserim alone. Batmanary

Doomsday Maps
I suppose you could, but those maps would be a touch off - that simulator is not as good/accurate as the other one usually used, http://www.carloslabs.com/node/20

Remember that a lot of major cities were hit with strikes more in the 400kt-1MT range, or even multiple strikes, when using the things, mind. And that neither of the two actually shows the difference between air and ground bursts. Ground = more fallout, but air = more blast range.

Lordganon 07:21, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

A Different History
You don't really have to know much about ancient Chinese history, if you create a China page, it will be a modern nation! However, I really want AS MANY NATIONS AS POSSIBLE, so one will be Ming Dynasty, another Tang, and so forth (It doesn't have to be those two). PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 01:39, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Sí, tenía ideas para una Colombia mas grande (tal vez la Gran Colombia?), y me parecería interesante una Confederación Peru-Boliviana para hacerle un rival local. Fed (talk) 13:18, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Macau
Actually, what he said was that your map was too big to match the China map. The map by Oer shows what is correct as their 100% controlled territory, with the rest being varying degrees of control as shown in the China map. An any sort of state in any of the destroyed cities violates canon, btw. Lordganon 22:54, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

I am aware of it. But your article explicitly states that there was a alliance of clans, or sorts, there after Doomsday, which is not possible, as you've been told several times. Lordganon 22:56, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Kenny, you're forgetting the fires. The Thermal Impact of the blast starts fires all over the place, and in crowded areas like China, with central authority in these cities and the country gone, they quickly go out of control. The entire region ends up incinerated.

These articles are meant to show what's happened since Doomsday. Have a closer look at the city articles, besides Seoul and Lexington, for how it would look, and also have a look what happens to Egypt after Cairo gets hit by Israel in 1987.

Lordganon 23:09, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

I'm aware of the geography, kenny - I meant the urban areas, not the countryside. And the rainy season having just ended really makes it worse, because without rain, as when fires get past a certain temperature and size, like forest fires, damp wood, etc. really doesn't make too much difference unless it's being constantly watered.

Kenny, I've told you several times now: The area that the map and Arstar say it controls are the same. Just go off of the two maps that Oer made, which if you look you'll see that Arstar did not take issue, and thus must agree, with, and remember to stay true to Arstar's instructions. He wants me to keep an eye on his articles for him while he's not really around, so I'll keep an eye on ya.

The maps:





Lordganon 07:31, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Add at least another 25% to the fire range, Kenny. Hiroshima largely burned out because it ran out of city to burn, while you have more city than that.

Rains aren't constant when it's not rainy season. Rain, when a fire gets to a certain size, even monsoon rains, would only do so much, with fires spreading inside houses, and between walls.

Kenny, the map you made, simply put, did not match the China map. Yours had it too far inland, and did not have the western coast, like both of Oer's maps do. That's what he wanted reduced, and Oer supplied exactly what he wanted, as I've told you more than once now.

Oer's comments refer to the reference you made to Hong Kong being "partially controlled" due to its status as radioactive. Not your map as being "right."

Given the specific permissions Arstar gave you, anything else will be undone. So you know.

Lordganon 08:44, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Kenny, he said that your map needed to be smaller - as in not as far inland. The maps Oer made are accurate. Lordganon 02:16, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Martial arts
Well I am not that knowledgable when it comes to martial arts. But a general article on how they may have evolved differently following Doomsday would sure be interesting. I would highly reccomend creating a proposal about it. Mitro 19:48, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

9/11
Haha, you have 911 edits! (I know, that was lame) PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 22:58, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

East Tennessee
Sure, as long as it doesn't conflict with canon. I have to admit I'm not familiar with martial arts in Tennessee; I would do a google search, identify which disciplines have a presence in eastern Tennessee, then research what their presence in Johnson City, Knoxville, Gatlinburg, et al was like in 1983. From there, you could have the instructors teach self-defense techniques to the general public.

Remember that eastern Tennessee in 1983, and today in the timeline, is probably much more conservative and religious (Christian) than it may be now in our world. Therefore, the spiritual and religious aspects of the various martial arts disciplines would be of interest only to a relative handful of people. Religious leaders would perhaps initially decry the influence of martial arts (google Albert Mohler and yoga for an OTL example). BrianD 17:11, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Good start. I may tweak it to make sure it's consistent with canon. As it's late here and I'm still celebrating UK's win :) I will put that off until I can get some time to review the East Tennessee article. BrianD 05:47, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Cambodia
They were desposed in a coup that killed the leadership. Likely most of the higher-up members are in prison awaiting a trial for crimes against humanity for their involvement in the Killing Fields. Likely any official with any involvement with the despicable genocide would be promptly executed in a public area to give closure to their victims. --Yank 02:07, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Wheat Republics
Sounds like an interesting idea. If it doesn't contradict canon, I don't see why it would be an issue. Bring it up in the main 1983: Doomsday talk page and see what the community thinks. The mods don't really have any say on content unless it breaks the rules.Oerwinde 05:34, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Newsrush Instant News
There's a page for instant news. Write some about your countries, and stuff, and contribute! Just type Newsrush in the sidebar, and it should show up. Batmanary

1080AD
I heard that the User AnonymousHistoryGuy was banned.since he was the admin of the map game 1080 AD, how do i adopt this map game?Collie Kaltenbrunner 08:27, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

Principia Moderni
I want to kinda experiment with it, could you run one for a join Japan/Joseon invasin of Vietnam, which is being backed by Hanthaawaddy? PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 22:03, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

No, what I mean is not a real one, just a test one so I can see another example of your system. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 22:20, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

True, you may cause political unrest, but yoy can't control player nations, and you shouldn't target individual players. Yank had permission from me to demote you BTW. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 16:50, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

CrimsonAssassin PitaKang
I believe CrimsonAssassin PitaKang has abused his powers as moderator. Nowhere in the Principia Moderni rules does it say that mods can use their powers to spark tensions between nations. They may create natural events/disasters, but not political events. Am I right in believing that CrimsonAssassin PitaKang has oustepped his bounds?

Yank 23:38, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

I was about to say! CrimsonAssassin

I made a mistake and nearly blamed the wrong user. I still think that PitaKang outstepped his bounds when he created a mod event to stir up tensions between nations. The way I see it a mod can cause natural disasters, but cannot manipulate other nations. I think he made himself a candidate for impeachment for that stunt.

Yank 00:08, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

See the PM page. Btw Crimson, I would make you a mod, but you're not very active and almost all of your turns have been expansion. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 00:09, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

I thought I was a mod. CrimsonAssassin 00:14, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

I didn't approve you. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 00:14, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Since this conversation is about me, I thought I would join in. I didn’t know that I could not create political unrest, I was thinking of the AvA rules. Also, why did Yank make me an assistant moderator instead of moderator? DK promoted me to moderator some time ago. So you have no right to do that. I have reverted your edit. Thanks, PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 16:38, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I didn't know that. And besides, all users controlling the Kamlar Union is inactive, and has only contributed for only several turns. Anyways, shouldn't Roguejedi be off the list? He hasn't been active at all. Also, what do you mean I can't target one nation? I created a tsunami at China, Joseon, and Japan, you didn't say anything then. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 20:54, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Well, you can take the next couple weeks or so to learn about moderatorship and then we can discuss promoting you. It is recommended you don't target a single nation for implausibility because it's not proper cobduct. The exception is if they're going against the rules. Rogue was active when he got moderatorship, and was pretty plausible, so now that he is effectively retired, I don't see a reason to take him off, seeing there isn't really a limit on number of moderators. The KU is active for the sake of the three players who own it. Two are on regularly and sometimes they post occasionallly. But I am the one who marks nations inactive, so follow that guideline. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 21:59, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Senegal
Yeah, I thought that you wanted me to cede all of Senegal to you, I'll just take your offer. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 18:02, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

I mean your Tigüent divison. Also, on a random, unrelated note, are you still active on AvA? Cause that game is kinda dying out. Thanks! PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 22:05, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Could you rejoin AvA? I've noticed that too, and I'm about to make some sweeping changes to the game. I really would like it if AvA finished. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 22:21, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Sure, but please resolve the issue with India quickly. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 22:27, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Castellon
You wrote:

"Sorry to put you on the spot, but we clearly have a problematic situation here. I don't blame the community, because I'm not one for intervening on articles outside my 'zone of interest.' But I'm becoming increasingly worried about the exponentially increasing size of the arguments on the Castellon article, and I find it is detracting from my time in other areas of life. This may sound unrealistic, but I am also concerned with the time Lordganon is spending, because I hate to waste an hour out of someone's 24-hour day. I really want to just get this over with so I can resume my normal life. Additionally, I have a ton of stubs on 1983: Doomsday, A Different History, and my own timeline that needs to be finished, so I really just want to have enough time to contribute. Naturally, it would be a shame for the article not to be canonized because of all the time spent on arguing, but if it's obsolete, it's obsolete. What I ask from you is to let me know which of mine and LG's arguments are valid to avoid the arguments growing excessively large, put forth your own ideas and propose a compromise if necessary. I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks for your time!"

In response:

No problem, Kenny, I have more time than sense, lol. I have looked over the arguments, and it appears that is more or less a draw. However, you have not shown just why Peru, or anyone else in the southern hemisphere, would venture to help a surviving town on the far side of Spain. Castellon was far too close to Velencia to have survived without help. The population that survived would indeed be famished by the time help arrived from the developing nation-states that came from the fall of Madrid. I don't see Peru or any other "Western" nation stepping in to help.

That being said, to your request. LG used your own arguments against you, so rehashing those will not work. You have put far more work into your research than he has in rejecting your arguments, so the shame is that no one else has weighed in. Looking at your arguments, I have not seen a compelling reason why Peru would search out a surviving town on the far side of Spain in the first place. It would be far easier to establish trade with Mexico, Texas, or even Chumash.

If you want to develop a another survivor nation on the Iberian Peninsula, Castello would work as well as any place not stricken by Nukes. The mountains would have served as a good shield, and the forests around Castellon de la Plana could be cleared for farmland (with care not to turn it into a desert!) The fear of fallout is largely overblown (literally!) since any radioactive particulates from an air burst would be greatly dispersed. Direct exposure to the radiation of the bomb itself would be nonexistent 30 miles away. The survivors would have to work hard to preserve what goods they had, and begin planning on how to replace them. Fishermen, though a small minority, would begin fishing with a vengeance, and hiring others (paying in fish?) to hopefully become "rich" as a provider of food for the area. Of course, the economy would be reduced to barter as money became next to useless. Meanwhile, fish meal and other fish byproducts would serve as the much needed fertilizer to increase the local produce -- wheat (yes, the area is good for that), potatoes, maize (corn), and especially oats.

Most of your time, I think, should be on where you live - the great nation of Peru. Peru's connections with Japan would be a good place to insert its influence in light of the recent earthquake there. As the powerhouse of western South America, Peru could be a leading player in international relations while Brazil and Argentina (UAR) squander much of their influence on internal affairs. Rich in natural resources, a separate trade agreement with the ANZC might be possible (like the one with the US in our time line). Trade with US survivor states would be possible once the Panama Canal opened. Most notably, trade with Louisiana and Florida would be most profitable. --SouthWriter 18:24, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

UPDATE: It's been a while, but things are looking good on your work with Castellón. As for your recent activity being 'loaded with personal bias,' I would not be too concerned with it. Almost all of us bring in some (or even much) bias when we write our articles. You have tried hard to create a viable city-state and/or province here, and for that, I give it my "thumbs up." LG's objections notwithstanding, I think we need to put this for 'graduation.' SouthWriter 17:12, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

Water Clock
Kenny, this seems to be the sticking point between you and LG:

"Castellón's main attraction is its massive water clock outside the airport, which is constantly monitored in order to keep time accurately for the rest of the world, although very few outside the Iberian Peninsula actually hold to this standard. Castellón has officially yielded to UTC+0, much closer to sunlight time, since the founding of the republic in 1986."

Here is how I would word it as to take away the controversy:

"Castellón's main attraction is its elaborate [size is not as important as accuracy] water clock inside [water clocks need controlled temparatures] the airport, which is constantly monitored in order to remain as accurate as almost any clock in the rest of the world [removes the 'offending' claim].  Though virtually unknown outside the Iberian Peninsula, the fact that Castellón had officially changed to UTC+0 (much closer to sunlight time) - at the founding of the republic in 1986, is being used to promote the idea, at least locally, to promote the adoption of its clock as the standard for international commerce and travel."

Sorry about the last sentence, it is quite complex, but I hope it got everything in. You get the idea, I guess, and I didn't want to make any "minor" edits without your permission. I like the idea, it just needs to be treated as a neutral observer rather than an ardent supporter of the province. SouthWriter 14:16, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

Being A Mod
Sure, I'd love to be a mod. I just don't know when the first time I wrote about Corsica. It just seemed like one of those posts that everyone ignored. I can get rid of the last Corisca refrence though.

Yank 00:34, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Survival
The general rule when it comes to people's location on Doomsday is if you can't confirm they're elsewhere, assume they're at home.Oerwinde 08:05, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

Revolution 2011 Edit
Hello. I hope you are having a pleasant day.

I am leaving you a message to inform you of a new TL I am creating. It is a role playing scenario where you create an individual who has the power to change the world. You can create a person or take the wheel of a current person. With your help, I'm sure this will be the biggest thing to come from this wiki since Map Games!

CrimsonAssassin 21:40, April 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't know why I got notice of this post, but I have to wonder how this is "alternate history." When we create alternate history, we try to stay away from such "god-like" things like this.  It is, in fact, usually considered "Alien Space Bats" because it brings in things that ordinarily would not be there.  And it may be just me, but "Map Games" are a bit too far fetched as a way of relating the genre that most of us love. SouthWriter 00:59, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Principia Moderni
Great leader of Hanthawaddy-

How long have we suffered under the heel of the Chinese? How long have our people suffered from the wrath of the Ming? For far too long we have been subjugated to the Chinese, divided amongst ourselves, puppets to the “superior race” of China. For far too long we have accepted and consented to the fact that China was more powerful, is more powerful, and will be more powerful than us. That has gone for far too long, and our nation, our people are suffering. China has grown weak, isolating themselves from the world. So come, brothers, let us rise up against the Chinese tyranny, crush their armies, burn their palaces, put their Imperial Family to the sword and start a new era of peace and prosperity. Come, for divided we are weak, but united we are strong.

Emperor Kim Ji-Myung—Joseon

PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs)

 About your deal with the Ottomans in The Scramble for Africa, the Ottomans accpet.StarkBlack 23:38, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

 AlgeriaStarkBlack 23:58, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

 We've reached 1520 on Principia Moderni. Souldn't we be getting a new map now?

 Yank 18:17, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

South America in 1983
Remembered something today, and checked up on it to clarify. According to canon as listed on the Timeline article, your work, more so on Peru than anything, violates canon. Have a look, specifically for stuff about the Andean Union. I'll be putting it up for review in a week or so if it's not fixed. Lordganon 06:46, April 29, 2011 (UTC)

It has been on the timeline article since long before the SA articles were made, and at the very least Ecuador has a reference to it. Lordganon 14:58, April 29, 2011 (UTC)

Kenny, you have the members of it fighting what amounts to a war, and then agreeing to join in the SAC together? That is not possible, at all. That's what violates canon. Lordganon 10:18, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Mario Vargas Lleras
I think that they wrote badly the surname. Is Mario Vargas Llosa. :) Just that. jeje --Katholico 15:49, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

US Civil War Map Game
Thank you for taking over this game from me; now since I have nothing to do with this game anymore and your now in charge (sort of anyway) you can chose to do what you want, but here is my opinions/answers to your questions:
 * 1: You can update it as much frequently as you want to, it is now your job. I wouldn't recomend every 10 years though as this means you have to do a lot of backreading to make the map accurate. I would recomend every year or two years personally, but its really up to you.
 * 2: Now implausability was the main reason I left; I couldn't really think of a good way to deal with it without creating loads of arguements so I decided to leave & continue with my own projects. I say deal with it however you want to, maybe with a vote system or a neutral on-looker or something.
 * 3: As for the Global Federation, its your country now so you can do what ever you want with it really. Maybe base it on the state system of the USA or something, but it should be a democractic republic due to how it was founded; to start with anyways...

Anyway I hope you can muster more patientence and understanding then I could; and good luck with you running this game! VonGlusenburg 15:08, May 2, 2011 (UTC).

Oh and on another note, I notice you are also a fan of the idea of a chat box. If you want we could lead a campaign and try to get us one. I've mentioned it in a topic in the Nexus after seeing your interest in it, and I would appriate it if you show your support and we'll get ourselves one VonGlusenburg 15:31, May 2, 2011 (UTC).

Re: Principia Moderni
I understand that you care about the map game, but as for the 'edit wars', I didn't know who was deleting my posts. As for the plausibility thing, I think it's completely plausible, even more plausible than the Spanish defeating the Incans in OTL. The Chinese beating the Incans is plausible because China just has to cross the Pacific Ocean. The Spanish had to cross the Atlantic AND across South America. China has a huge navy capable of taking Inca within ten years.

Implausibility is highly opinionated and I can understand that it varies from person to person. Just keep in mind that I'm not one of those crazy expansionalist people. I had a war with Mongolia, and waited DECADES, expanding my military and improving my interior and relations, before expanding again. I wait for even more years before setting up my North America colony. CrimsonAssassin 16:22, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

That "Spain" guy is still going strong in his implausibility, imo. Thought you'd like to know.

And, if you haven't guessed, wikia is doing IP traces on the India guy, the just-quit Mughal guy, and the Spain guy for me. Again, so you know.

Lordganon 09:05, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Wow. They did that one fast. They are indeed matches, all three of them sharing the same set of IPs and using the same browser. Lordganon 09:12, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

US Civil War
I think the new user, Ceaser, is a sockpuppet to another user, as all of his contributions have been solely to mapgames, States of America 2 and US Civil War, to be exact. Bats

Just to give you some information, Europeans got possesion of Potatoes in OTL after the fall of the Incas, so imagine parts of history where the vegetable had proved invaluble. Also, here are some images I found and if you dont likle them then I can look for more favorable ones. BlackSkyEmpire 02:18, May 8, 2011 (UTC)BlackSkyEmpire



Here. A drawing of Machu Picchu. BlackSkyEmpire 03:02, May 8, 2011 (UTC)BlackSkyEmpire

I think Ceaser is a sockpuppet of Rebelsoldier. Batmanary

Head Chunin
There is this new user called Head Chunin, who joined for Principia Moderni.he tried to take over Spain (detail:Spain doesn't exist as a unified country and he posted something about Spain creating a imperial empire, or something like that.) Castille controls all of Spain, and since Woogers, who originally controlled Castille, is inactive since weeks ago, i came here to ask if he can be allowed to take Castille, instead of creating a country which doesn't exist officially, even though he is praticallty just controlling Castille and changing its name forget about that. i just discovered that he's a sockpuppet.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 15:47, May 20, 2011 (UTC)

Inca Kola
Come on, Kenny, Inca Kola overtaking Coca Cola (aka Cola Grande of Cuban fame)? I don't think so. I have tasted Inca "Cola," and it is definitely an acquired taste. Besides, the international rights to the drink are owned by multinational Coca Cola. In TTL, soda drinks are not that common, though, and I suspect that Inca Kola could become popular in many different markets. I'd suggest, though, that you cut back the promotion of the "flavor of Peru" to at least the SAC and maybe Castellón. SouthWriter 03:58, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

I Have a new website, an I want you to become an Administrator on it!!
I have a new website, I would like to introduce map games, please try it out!!

Heres the link, please higlight it and copy it to your adress bar, I am offering administrator status to the first 3 members: alternatehistory.yolasite.com

Thanks,

A Wiki Contributer

New Prinipia Moderni rules
These new rules frustrate me to no end. The reason I didn't make any pages for my stuff is that I couldn't make up good Vietnamese names, as I know absolutely no Vietnamese. I would like some help with that.

--Yank 03:46, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Principia Moderni
In the map, how the pixels in the colony are done?i mean, it's the number of pixels and a layer of red-border pixels, or the red-border and the country-respsctive color are all part of the pixels of the colony? it's because i'd like to add the current state of Újfundlandi and Labrador in the map.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:55, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

Burma Seperatism
I hadn't considered a Karen state. I chose the states that I chose because they had defined territories. If you can help with these articles, I would love your assistance.

Yank 15:36, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

Query
Heh. Answered Crim when I heard back from wikia on the matter, since he was the one who asked. Wikia said that Janusary didn't share any connections with any banned users, or the like. Though, I myself am inclined to think that it was still him, just somewhere else, though there is no proof of it. Lordganon 21:11, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Macau
"Sorry Kenny, but I'd appreciate it if you would NOT change the size of Macau and only work on the economics and other aesthetic changes"

Straight from Arstar's talk page. Quite frankly, you've already been allowed by yours truly to do more than you have permission to do. He did not say once that you could do "anything provided I don't change anything that's already there."

So, no. It's not BS. Learn to read.

Lordganon 04:52, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Map in Principia Moderni
Okay.how about each one makes three maps, and when these three maps are done,the other starts to make the other three maps, unless that they have not time to do it?this occupies like, one month and each one made the same amount of maps.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:22, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Changes in the map
About the Principia Moderni map, i'd like to warn you that i am going to add the Duchy of Mazovia to the map. until this point it has been considered a part of Poland-Lithuania, when in fact, it was still independent.unless that the mods resolve to unite Mazovia and Poland-Lithuania, it remains a separate state.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:47, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, but i will have to remove Mazovia from the list of countries available?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 08:16, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

Okay.i've been thinking in annex Galicia from Poland-Lithuania anyway.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:48, June 27, 2011 (UTC)

possible Colonization for vassals
Well, i had the idea of after the war with Poland-Lithuania is done, i thought in creating a vassal state corresponding to the Polish part along with Galicia-Lodomeria.So, if a nation has a vassal state, the vassal can have colonies?If yes, how are the rules for this?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:38, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

However, can i take Burgundy out of the map? (i mean, take out the present color and replace it with the generic color) the user with Burgundy is long inactive and it has no colonies.and, the same was done with the Kalmar Union and Genoa.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 05:42, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

wait;for now (four colonies) the limit is 1250 or 2000.this is for each colony or for all of them?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 06:52, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry. i thought that the limit was only for each colony.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:16, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean with cut down?expand in a less steady rate or stop expanding at all? However, expand more my teritory wouldn't be more implausible than my colonial expansion?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 18:37, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

In 1585, OTL, a volcano erupted in the island of La Palma, Canry Islands (though probably it didn't caused much damage). in-game, La Palma is part of the Canariae Insulae, colony of Hungary.how do i mention that eruption and the ones of 1646 and 1677?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 06:18, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

You have to create profile pages for a vassal state?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 17:00, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
I'll try to find another land, too bad my favorite city in america is Philadelphia, and I see NYC was also destroyed. Seems like all the good places were taken. But i'll continue looking. Marcus/Michael Villanova 10:43, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

I guess i'm asking do you know any open land in northern america that can be used? Marcus/Michael Villanova 10:51, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

I found that the rest of OTL Colorado is not in use do you know the mapmaker for this time line that could draw up that? I'll call it the Free Republic of Denver. Marcus/Michael Villanova 11:38, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Atlantic Islands
Whoops, I never even noticed that. I'll include Madeira in the new map I'm drawing up for the South Atlantic Islands. And the history of natives inhabitants on the islands is so jumbled right now that we'll have to sort everything out soon. I'll bring your idea to the talkpage, however. Thanks! ChrisL123 02:06, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Balance Point
I saw your comment on the First Global War, and I will explain the reasons for the large unificartions:

1. the only major Asian powers in this were the Kahanates and the ottomon Empire, which was only a minor rivilry. the other countries are only included because they were attacked by Europeans during the war.

2. In this TL, many power blocks form and quickly dissolve. Countries with rivalries will band together against a common enemy if they feel the need to, even if they don't like it. (think of the USA and USSR during WW2)

Roguejedi 22:22, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

China's Expansion in PM and Other Questions.
Hey, sorry I haven't returned the message you left on my talk page a while ago regarding my expansion in former Incan Territory. I already conquered Inca, but I saw no algorithm of any sort when I conquered them. However, you did want me to follow the rules of expansion.

Also, I somewhat support ONE OR TWO periods of rapid expansion in empires. I mean, looking back at history, Alexander the Great conquered from Ancient Greece to India in fifteen years. Germany expanded even quicker in World War II. The Muslims quickly took over the Arabian peninsula. The Roman Empire was somewhat of a rapid expander. Even America expanded rapidly. I swear I'm not Reb or anything like him (I was the one who caught him), however, I think it is more plausible that a nation can have a period of quick expansion AS LONG AS ITS NOT CRAZY. China already had theirs way back so this doesn't concern me.

CrimsonAssassin 05:03, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

If the expansion lasts only a few years, then I think it is definatly plausible. I support Crimson as long as it does not last for long Roguejedi 23:54, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

My New Map Game
Hey, I just started the Imperialist America (Map Game), and I would like some players to help me out and to start it, tell your friends, I tink itll be interesting. DeanSims 15:52, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

DeanSims has hired me to help with rules (I think that Principi Moderni rules would be good), so I was wondering if you could figure out the expansion rates and colonies, while I work on the other stuff. If you could also provide a map, so that expasion could be in pixels, that would be great. Roguejedi 16:14, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Principia Moderni (Inca vs. China)
I would like your help with this current "problem", if it needs solution. DeanSims is controlling the Inca, but CrimsonAssassin, that controls China is expanding in Inca territory since a long time ago.However, CrimsonAssassin says that he's invading Inca but he had to use colonization rules, since there was no algorhytm when he entered, but i don't know if there was a player controlling the Inca before DeanSims.he also claims to have conquered the Inca, so he alway refers the Inca as former Inca, even though the map says otherwise (if the inca had ended, they should have been taken out of the map, right?).so i thought that you should check what's happening. when you go to the 1596 section, and see what is happening there.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 21:18, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * No need for it. the problem solved itself since DeanSims quitted and moved the Inca to another part of Souh America.-Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:23, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

There is the part that i have already mentioned.then, the next turn, he kept insisting, and DeanSims resolved to move the Inca to another part of South America, and since then none of them posted.(Crimson because of he appearing basically unexpectedly in the game, and DeanSims because he traveled and only will be back in four days or so.)and i had recommended him (Crimson) to make another colony to expand faster in Inca territory.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 19:51, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

Ok Thanks
Thanks for the notice please fill me in on the details when you get a chance. DeanSims 20:33, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Maps Reply
Tanks for the help, how does this map look, its not quite finished yet DeanSims 17:59, July 27, 2011 (UTC)



OK thanks man DeanSims 18:10, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Reasons for Invading?
Hey, my internet was down for a while, so I wasn't too active recently. I just got back to see that I was being invaded and I'd like to know some reasons why I am being invaded by Hanthawaddy. I'm sure you'd love for me to be out of the Map Game due to my... stuborness, but is there any other reason? CrimsonAssassin 21:50, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Algorhytm
I need your help with making a algorythm for the China/Sweden/Hanthawaddy/Vietnam vs. Hanthawaddy/China war before this get out of control.how the "Chance" factor is calculated? How we do organize the countries involved? if one side wins, only one country will get all the territory that will be given?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 10:40, July 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * About the "Chance" part, the edit when Vietnam declared war was at 23:10 at UTC. how i calculate this?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 17:58, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, how do i discover the number of seconds?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 19:57, July 30, 2011 (UTC) Now that the Inca entered, how the algorythms stay. should i update mine to the current situation?.Anyway, i will do the Inca x Russia and Russia x China. --Collie Kaltenbrunner 17:56, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Arakan Federation
I thought you were going to help me write the article on the Arakan Federation state. What happened?\

Yank 23:30, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Hanthawaddian-Vietnamese War Aftermath
I see from the map that the territories you said you would give back are not part of Vietnam. I want my Lao and Cambodian territories back, thank you very much. And let me ask you something. Why did you start the war? And why did you start the war by attacking an ally? That's a disgustingly two-faced move on your part.

Yank 13:39, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Let's just say you shouldn't be surprised that China now hates your guts.

Yank 13:40, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Colonies (Principia Moderni)
in 1658, if i keep my actual rate and the map game keep existing, i probably will reach the point that i will be making my 8th colony, but the maximum number of colonies is 7. merging two colonies could work to keep the number less than 8?(and, the colonies gain independence after 1700 or 1776?)--Collie Kaltenbrunner 18:25, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Castellón -- Again!
Hi, Kenny. I know you have gone on to other things where you aren't bothered by administrators as much, but ... are you ready ... I want to get Castellón graduated. It seems that folks think that even with a 23% unemployment rate, the province is too well off. I don't know if they actually grasp the concept of a free trade zone run by multinational corporations and millionaires.

How can we scale back the operations? Can the FTZ be a little less known outside of the western Mediterranean? How about cutting back on the tourism a bit? Perhaps the export of local produce is still a stickler (especially the wheat). I'll try to trim back the adjectives and remove some of the wealth if you want me to. If you want, I'll post my edited version of sections or paragraphs that I think might be reworded to show less affluence. What do you say? --SouthWriter 03:00, August 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'm answering here, so I'll know what I've suggested. Though I'm in favor of this being a foreign run trade zone that is successful even at the expense of the locals, I'll read the discussion and put it together in my 'sandbox.' I'll send you the link when when it's ready. SouthWriter 23:44, August 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, it took a week but I got around to it. I posted the link on the Main Talk Page, but here it is again.  I hope you don't mind if I presented it to the group at the same time.  I won't change what you've written without your permission though. SouthWriter 21:13, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Algorythm Sweden vs. Japan
How do i do this algorythm if is a Japanese colony who is fighting?i must make a algorythm for Anglo-Germany and Poland against Japan?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 11:23, August 14, 2011 (UTC) But how the algorythm is done if the country itself is at a considerable distance of the location of war?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 19:53, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

Axis vs Allies
Hi, DK. As you may know, the original AvA is sadly defunct. The end had dissolved into a quagmire of space race, sports, inventions. In short, it was a hell of a mess. However, I have created a new AvA, the Axis vs Allies Revised. I am not going to allow what happened to the original map game happen here. As of such, I invite you to be part of my map game AND to be our official mapmaker, as you have a talent for maps. I will also allow you to be a mod. Once again, I invite you to the new, improved, and revised version of Axis vs Allies. Sincerely, PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs)

Nomination for Constable
Hi, Kenny. I can't see in the history of your talk page that PitaKang has asked you if you wanted a role as a 'minor administrator' which we call a 'constable.' Your acceptance and reasons why are required. I jumped the gun and put a line under 'Supporters,' but I must admit that I was reacting to LG's jumping at the chance to object. I plan on removing the supporter status and putting a note in the 'Discussion' section. I read the requirements, I saw that primarily the Constable is one who has been 'policing' the wiki for improper behavior. You have not done any of this, so I'd Pita nominated you as a friendly gesture, not having paid attention to the requirements.

I plan on stating two points - that above and the fact that you never accepted the nomination. If Pita contacted you off-wiki, let me know, so I won't be incorrect in my retraction. I stand by my support of you as an editor, but don't feel that you are doing, or even want to do, policing of the wiki. I admit, it is not pretty work, and I began as a Lieutenant rather than a Constable.

I await your reply before taking further actions. SouthWriter 21:16, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I still haven't seen where you handled sockpuppets, but I was just scanning subject lines in the history and I have no reason to doubt you. Now that you have accepted the nomination, and have a good word from Yank for your management of the map games (something with which I am not familiar anyway), I will not remove my support. I wish you the best in the nomination process. Remember, LG is but one admin and you know which side I fall on when it comes to the history between you two. :-) SouthWriter 04:38, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Map of 1635.
Well, every day i update the progress on the map.probably the 1635 map comes before 8:00 UTC, as almost always happens. Anyway, a question; 1hen you got a vassal state, and it expands, this counts as a full turn?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 16:33, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Why?
The problem is that these nations cannot rely on any superpowers, or, at least, Great Powers. As a result, they MUST rely on themselves. I don't say of expanding, I say of joining. Like joing a chat group. Laptop Zombie 04:05, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

Principa Moderni
Yeah.. you can give it to somebody else

Alexanders 13:05, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

Lighter Naples?
Currently, Naples on the Principia Moderni map is a very dark brown, so dark that it is hard to tell it apart from black. I think a slightly lighter shade of brown, or even better that yellow shade you had previously, might show up better. LurkerLordB 02:42, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Colonies part II
So, i'm planning in make a new colony this year (1639), but since Hungary is entangled in the Mughal war, i should make a new colony seeing that i may conquer Mughal territory and it will eventually be a colony?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:44, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Eh,Go ahead and give everyone all the land I control. Other players should have the chance to expand so go ahead and yeah I'm done participating in the game, other then looking for historical errors or implausibility. BlackSkyEmpire 00:20, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Joint attack
Would you be interested in a joint attack on China with me? If not, then I’ll call it off. I’m pretty sure that if we amp up our military for the next 10 turns and China goes into a civil war, it’d be pretty feasible. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 00:39, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Janusary
We need to do something about Janusary. He used to be only a little self-centered, but since his fortunes fell in battle he's become absolutely impossible to deal with. He's lost his already questionable grasp on plausiblity. He's been writing extremely condescending and not to mention impossible replies to everyone's posts. He revived and deified his Emperor twice. He wrote about "sidewinder missiles" (which I turned into fireworks). He replied by saying that he mounts a secret (not to mention impossible) takeover of Vietnam just to spite me. He mocks and belittles nations far greater than his. He is attempting to manipulate events to his atvantage, and is trying to win the war, the algorithm be dammned. He has become a vandal nearing the levels of Catherine or Owen. How are we going to respond to Janusary's troll-like behavior on the map game? It's not like he didn't do this before. He's written belittling comments before, which were in the form of his Emperor at the time spewing his foolish nonsense to a sleeping harem girl. He has not changed one bit, and we need to do something about it.

Yank 22:17, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Just so you know...
I saw on the talk page you thought that I was controlling the Holy Roman Republic, that's some other guy, not me, who is doing that. He's an anonymous IP address, and he hasn't edited for a couple days, so he may never come back. Just making sure that the next map doesn't show Naples controlling all of Italy... LurkerLordB 00:22, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Itsaygahan Client Kingdoms in Principia Modernia
The map should look more like this.

Mayab (Principia Moderni)
Yeah, sorry for not answering you earlier. I'm sorry, but I'm not really interested in the map game anymore. You can open the Mayab to conquest. Fed (talk) 17:48, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

New Map Game
Hello, Detectivekenny. Seeing how plausibly you play on Principia Moderni, I was wondering if you wanted to moderate a game I made set in 200 AD (We need a classical map game). It is called Cras ut Superstes. It's got a new system of stability that I was hoping to try out. I can't wait to see it played.

CrimsonAssassin 23:32, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations, you are now a Constable in the TSPTF. This allows you to showcase the TSPTF membership badge on your user page. Furthermore it gives you the rollback power on this wiki. In the History page of an article you will notice a new option called "rollback". This is an anti-vandalism tool. It allows you to quickly undo edits in case someone has made more than one edit to a page. By clicking rollback it will immediately revert the article to a time before the offending editor edited the page. This is your most important duty. By agreeing to be a constable, you are promising to do your best to patrol for vandals and trolls.

When you get the chance, please go to the TSPTF page, and sign up for some responsibilities. In reality, none of us have the time to devote to all of the duties that are expected of an administrator of the wiki. You are expected, however, to sign up for at least three responsibilities listed in that section. These are duties that you are agreeing to carry out to the best of your ability every time you are on this wiki. I'm hoping that by doing this the members of the TSPTF can efficiently share the work load of the wiki and gives us time for the real reason we are here. Since you are only a constable and do not have the power to delete or block, do not feel obligated to sign up for any duties you do not have the powers to do. Please inform and respect those in a position to do so if you see a problem that involves a needs for either of those things.

Again, congratulations on being elected to the TSPTF and good luck.

Lordganon 01:24, September 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Congratulations, Kenny. I am looking forward to working with you.SouthWriter 01:58, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

Second Hanthawaddian War/War of Hanthawaddian Sucession
I just want to know how you are going to score the Vietnamese-Hanthawaddian portion of the coming war. I have a few factors that may swing the conflict in my favor. I request that, in the event that I do win, that Vietnam not only regains the territory taken from it in the last war, but a good chunk of Hanthawaddian territory as well.
 * The Vietnamese are prepared- I was caught offgaurd because the war happened while I was camping.
 * The Vietnamese are better armed- The Vietnamese have gone through several campaigns of military expansion and improvement.
 * The Vietnamese are focused on Victory- The Vietnamese are still smarting from the defeat in the First Hanthawaddian War, and a sizable percentage of the population are baying for blood. They are also fierce supporters of Jayadeva, which means that they believe that the war is a chance to place the "true" heir on the Hanthawaddian throne.

Yank 00:58, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Then I'd settle for just regaining lost territory.

Yank 04:07, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Map
I didn't undid your edits.see, everytime that i complete the map for, let's say, 1640, i keep the map and edit it according with the posts until the next time that we need a map, 1645.i didn't even knew that you would edit the 1645 map until you warned me..--Collie Kaltenbrunner 10:50, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

My Sincerest Apologies
I'm truly sorry for the regretable comments I made earlier on your talkpage. I have Aspberger's Syndrome, and at times I find it hard to control my temper. I will do anything you want if it would get my nation it's former territory. And what's a "bung mas" tribute, anyway?

Yank 20:21, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

I basically had smoke coming out of my ears when I read that I was to lose again, especially when the candidate I worked so hard to suppor turned around and stabbed me in the back. But I am now "cooled-down" enough to regret my words, and wish to bury the hatchet. I wish you had explained what I needed to do before I got all hot and bothered.

Yank 20:27, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Dude if your telling the truth then I completely understand your actions, inside out. Incase anyone thinks your lying, that is, otherwise my post is a little hello.

Kunarian 20:32, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

I just thought it was unfair that all my effort would come to mean nothing, and that the Hanthawaddians would just steamroll over the Vietnamese like they were made of paper. I'm sorry if I disrespected your work, but I would think that a nation as determined to win as Vietnam would have a higher chance of victory than just a piddling 18%. As I said before, I will do anything that results in my regaining of the lost territory.

Yank 20:47, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

And how was the Second Hanthawaddian/Ramanian War "Life or Death"? I was, and still am, perfectly happy with the portion of Hanthawady I had occupied. I only continued to invade to support Jayadeva. Seriously, what's a bung mas tribute? How can I do it if I have no idea what I'm supposed to be doing?

Yank 20:58, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Yank, I accept your apology. However, this does not excuse your actions, as you are still expected to uphold high standards as a player and mod of this game without exception. Erasing messages and spamming are also extremely undesirable. Just look on the talk page and there is a few deals which you erased. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 23:13, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

The reason I didn't complain about the algorithm it that I'm too terrible at math to even understand the algorithm.

Yank 04:58, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

And you're banning me because of one incident? Unlike Janusary I don't make it a habit to do things like that, and I have said that I have regreted my actions.

Yank 05:00, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

This is how much I want to take from Hanthawaddy. I think you have enough space to compensate. ANd let me ask you something. WHy did you invade Viangchan when I had Pegu in my possesion?

Yank 05:09, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, stop posting in so many posts, it's becoming hard to follow. I've warned you about that several times. If it's some attempt to raise your edit count then cut it out.

I'm not banning you, it's a temporary block to help you understand the standards of the game. And its not like you've been innocent all this time. You've had several occassions of rudeness towards newcomers, editing posts on previous years, taking 6+ per turn, and some implausibility. While I'm willing to forgive, there has to be a high ethical standard observed by a mod. Also, if you're going to debate your blocking, do it in the appropriate area, on the talk page.

It goes without saying that if you make no attempt to understand the algorithm, you have no right to question it. And the math isn't that hard; it's all 4th-grade level, it just takes a bit of thinking.

No deal on the map. Take all of Burma or none of it. What if I were to invade your country and take only Hanoi and the surrounding area? You are attempting to take Monland and leave the rest, an insane enterprise in a large ethnic Mon country. Doesn't work like that. Go by the map I put on the talk page. It's a dead giveaway; don't try to bargain. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 05:51, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

I have abandoned my claims to Lower Burma and I have disbanded the sathu.You do realize, however, that all your other demands/conditions are extremely hard to swallow. None of them are reasonable. While I can understand the Mon rights thing, but they take them pretty far.

Yank 23:46, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

Does it appeal to you? Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 02:07, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

I like it. I think we can both walk away happy this way. I just have three questions. Yank 02:28, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) What do the red areas on the map mean?
 * 2) Why is there an isolated area of Vietnamese control in Hanthawaddian/Ramanian territory?
 * 3) About how much territory would I have in Southeast Asia? I want to put my nation's area on the nationpage.


 * 1) The red means kingdoms in Vietnam that are going to be ruled by Mons.
 * 2) That is Toungoo/Kawthoolei, gift from Hanthawaddy to Vietnam. Seeing there's nothing I really need on the other side of that, I uploaded a new map that shows it at not isolated.
 * 1,623,600 is a rough estimate. Although it doesn't make a difference considering the time period. Not like anyone can go all over the country to make accurate surveys, especially in harsh areas. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 03:21, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

As long as the Mon kingdoms follow Vietnamese law instead of Ramanian. Is Singburri shrunken? I had planned to use Krung Thep as the capital of my Thai Province. I thank you for your generous gift. I hope that this time the peace between our two nations can be permanent. The Vietnamese can walk away thinking that they won, and so the resentment caused by the loss of the first war can be avoided. This means it'll be a lot easier for the Vietnamese-Hanthawaddian relations to go back to normalcy.

Yank 03:47, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

Singburi lost control of its major cities after Hanthawaddy invaded, so now it's basically OTL Singburi Province. Hopefully the Sadhuim government can get along with Vietnam. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 03:58, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

I have a surefire way for the new Hanthawaddian dynasty to get along with the Vietnamese. We have the current Emperor die of a stroke or other illness, and have the crown prince take power. Since his bride-to-be is the Hanthawaddian Princess they would definitely treat the Vietnamese a little better. Plus we could have Jayadeva becoming good friends with the crown prince.

Yank 04:21, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Aztec Invasion
Thanks for letting me know. I didn't know if the algorythm applied to the two nations since they were in disarray or worse. Anyway, I would be happy to share Mayab with Hanthawaddy. China is just being cold towards Hanthawaddy because of the current ATL emperor (He had a serious thing against Hanthawaddy). Once he drops off, his heir, who is more of a trustable guy, is going to open relations with Hanthawaddy back up.

Regarding what portion you want, it would be tactically and economically damaging if territory is sandwiched in (like if I owned Central America and Northern Mexico and you owned the Yucatan from Atlantic to Pacific for example). I was thinking that if you owned Panama and more of Central America, you would have room to expand south into South America. But it's your choice, honestly.

CrimsonAssassin 12:39, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

Questions
About the new algorythm; About the map; --Collie Kaltenbrunner 08:43, September 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * If you don't have any idea of demographics for a foreign country, how you're gonna know how is the population for your own country?
 * What kind of improvement?and, if it is economic, how can i know how the economy will improve (in my case, something about economy of the kingdom of hungary is almost impossible to find.and even then, after 1526, it would be useless)
 * in the part of having no idea about the resources, i talked also about the colonies. the only thing that i know in allthose areas is that the area of Öböl which i still will colonize has gold. only that.
 * Can i unmark Burgundy on the map?
 * Yes, the talk page is screwed up.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 08:06, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Scandinator is complaining constantly about the fact that he annexed West and East Doitsochihou.so, i wanted to ask if he annexing east doitsochihou is plausible, or i should make a algorythm for this again.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 13:40, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Hellowla (?)
Hellow Kenny, this wiki is great! (it's a pity that my level of english is so lower :P) But i'm enjoining the wiki, and the Map Games (P.D: OUR map game in spanish re-iniciated the last week). Any doubt, i'll ask to you for it (well, not ANY doubt). We will see, i suppose.

P.D: What do you think about my history, Regnum Argenta? --Galaguerra1 20:23, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Algorithm
Could you show me how you do it on a website like that so I can do it for AvAr? Thanks! PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 01:08, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

Map Games
Thanks! I messaged the moderator of Principia a few days ago - no reply as of yet. Should I just go ahead and add my name on the countries list? Sevestron 08:49, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

Principia Moderni
It's getting about time for a new map, and eventually Scandinator will claim (he is doing it right now in 1663) to have annexed all of Western Doitsochihou.the turn when he claimed to have conquered in the 1620-1630s (he tried two times, and after only annexing Frisia, he tried again.he spent two turns capturing 500 sq km, and then posed, claiming to have annexed all of Western Doitsochihou), but, that conquest was plausible? should i give all Western Doitsochihou to himm make another algorythm (the one from that second attempt was not done) or ignore him and leaving things the way they are (he only would own OTL Frisia)?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 18:37, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

Principia Moderni (Burgundy)
Hola, no sé si me recuerdas xD. Soy de la Wikia hispana y mira me gustaría decir una cosa. Yo en principia soy Borgoña (Burgundy) y coloqué que conquiste hace tiempo el sur de Flandes (hasta ahora, que ya dije que esta completamente conquistada tras 5 años de guerra) pero en el mapa no se actualizó ¿Lo tengo que colocar yo o se encarga el MapMaker de ello?. Saludos! y siento mi inglés que es malo :D. (Jaeden Cuenta Cuentos 09:12, September 24, 2011 (UTC)).

Kunarian
I'm finding the antics of Kunarian increasingly infuriating. How can the Venetians aid the Irish when I've established that the Irish are a pack of murderers? Can I count on Hanthawaddy's asistance in this war against hypocrites and murderers?

Yank 20:43, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Somebody can settle these Vietnam-Venice affairs? it's getting out of control.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 21:10, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Theres no real problem, theres only the fact that Venice pre-emptively struck down a potential Vietnamese invasion and drove the thought home to win early, which naturally Yank is going to not like and find annoying. Besides the conversation is still within adding to the game, however could quickly go off board. I will tell you when I think that happens but you'll probably have picked up on it anyways Kunarian 21:15, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

It should have been impossible to invade Furansuchou sucessfully. I had turned the colony into a fortress, and there was a large fleet in the harbor. Not to mention the fact that I've done much more work expanding and improving my navy than Kunarian did. I still think he stuck his nose where it didn't belong. He could have at least had the common courtesy to wait to the proper time.

Yank 21:24, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

First we have an algorithm for a reason. Now onto the conversation, the colony as much of a fortress as it was and as much of a fleet that it had would not be able to withstand the assualt of the majority of the North Italian forces. My Fleets are huge and even your large one would have been heavily outnumbered. Plus I'm trying to keep it realistic by not improving my military with new technology every turn. Also common courtesy does not factor in when it comes to invading countries. It is not common courtesy to invade countries so how can you expect some back, besides Venice attacked because Vietnam ignored it and continued to militarise. And waiting the proper time? this isn't supposed to be a game where you go "I will attack your ally then and you can't do anything, you just have to wait" its one where you do something and I react to it, to create an interesting play for all. Kunarian 21:32, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Kunarian had previously shown no ties with Ireland, and yet leaped to interfer when I planned the inavsion. As far as I'm concerned Venice still had no damn business interfering with my plans.

Yank 21:44, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

When did you show ties before the time you simply said that they were murderers and then condemned them to a delayed war? It doesn't really matter if you are concerned in some ways as Venice has seen itself concerned with Ireland, has intervened and then retalliated to continuing Vietnamese build up. Kunarian 21:47, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Seriously stop the arguing. Weird/illogical stuff happens in history. I reverted Yank's post because it was clearly just hate-filled and rude. I'll do the algorithm if both of you (mainly Yank) decide to calm down. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:10, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

I have done the Algorithm and its fair if you ask me, I didn't boost myself unfairly nor make him weak unrightly. Its a just algorithm. Kunarian 22:14, September 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, but I can't follow your math. Can you show your work? <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:17, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy to oblige, which part is giving you trouble? Kunarian 22:18, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Chance. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:19, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I posted the declaration at 08:41:47 and so when I times all the numbers together I end up with 896. Then I took the posts at the time of attack which was for me 124 and Yank 6668 and proceeded with the standard algorithm proceedure of divide and then time by pi. Kunarian 22:23, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay. Keep in mind the larger number always goes on top, and since it's a percentage, 5.6 might be read as 5600%. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:29, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I see. Thank you Kunarian 22:34, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

I've calmed down somewhat. Though I still intend to invade Ireland.

Yank 22:47, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

If this is what happens when you say you aren't going to touch the mainland then we need to change it to a full on war considering that I invaded every colony, the french land cannot be counted seperate from the rest of the empire just because it would damage him Kunarian 22:58, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

How plausible is it for him to invade everything and succeed? I'd be willing to give part of Furansuchou, but I am not willing to lose my entire colonial empire. Besides the algorithm says I only lose a fifth of Furansuchou, and not the entire kit and kaboodle.

Yank 23:03, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

The algorithm gives me right. The only reason you are calm and ready to give F**KING 19px is because its nothing more, besides the war encompassed your colonial empire and this war was a retaliation to your aggression against Ireland. You should not be planning to attack willynilly if you can't deal with consequences! Kunarian 23:10, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

You really are a spiteful bastard, are you? I am only willing to part with part of Furansuchou. Nothing more.

Yank 23:12, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Too bad. by the way your the spiteful bastard who can't take it if they lose. You look back at your posts and you are screaming and kicking because you knew that your empire was going to be taken apart. You can't do anything agianst the algorithm. also do I remember the time when you kicked and screamed cause DK beat you in sucessive wars, only calming when he offered you territory back? Do you remember that when I was attacked early on, I thought I was done for but didn't spam his page with rants over how unfair it was. However this is an injustice to say that after all that I'm only entitled to 19px. Kunarian 23:18, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Guys stop I can't keep up and my edits keep conflicting.

It has never happened that a country has taken small parts of multiple colonies in history. Feel free to conduct like 6 different wars. But otherwise, pick one.

Yank, that comment was uncalled for and only hurt your cause. I'm not sure how you can think of using foul language in the game. I am not going to be your psychiatrist, but seriously consider some forms of anger management. May I suggest you typing your entire argument, swearing and all, and then directing your attention to the small x at the left or right corner. Also, it's been shown that the two best ways to solve anger are either to solve the problem or just wait. If it's not nice, don't say it. I am removing you from modship until you can improve your attitude. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 23:23, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

No. It's an injustice that you waltz into a war that you had no business interfering in, and expect to be handed a large slice of my Empire. I will not stand for that travesty of justice. Your precious Irish allies? still a pack of dirty murderers. You could have chosen any nation to ally yourselves with. Why did you decide to ally with Ireland?

Yank 23:26, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;">It was fair by the Algorithm to do that. I like Ireland and didn't want to see them die in game, I also did not want to have more Vietnamese or just outside influence in Europe.

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Right then, while I am slightly calmer, is there anything that can be done about the war or does it HAVE to stay that way? if so I'll accept it or can it be changed? even if we just roll back the war altogether that would be preferable to just having the problem of getting 19px. Kunarian 23:30, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Anything as long as you both agree. But for now just wait until tomorrow when both of you are calmer and you can talk onthe talk page. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 23:34, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

They wouldn't die. Irish culture and language would continue even in the face of Vietnamese colonization. I have written Vietnam to be very tolerant to other cultures. But yes, I would like this war to be rolled back.

Yank 23:36, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Ok lets roll this war back and wait a little longer. Kunarian 23:39, September 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * As a note here, Kenny, if they start this up again, I will be dishing out warnings, etc. There is no need at all for any of it. So, basically let me know if they start it again, etc. Lordganon 08:40, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Ottoman War
So, i'm at war with the Ottoman Empire.Venice is supporting me, and by myself, i got more than 10,000 px.but, Venice made another algorythm.i thought that if there are four nations at war, and two made algorythms for themselves, the other should make their own algorythms too.he only claimed 1671 pixels, so i can simply mix his gains with mine, since i'm already making the 1680 map, and there still are spare pixels of territory to be given to Hungary.and he himself said that we could gain more territory like that (making two separate algorythms).this was before France entered on the war, but the Quetion is; should i disregard his algorythm, and subtract his 1671 pixels from the 10603 pixels that i have right to?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 16:31, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

Well, so we reached a near-agreement.there will be some states formed on the eastern part of the empire, and in the balkans too.but about the algorythm, if you win by a margin enough to overthrow the government of your enemy, you only will have right to gain the algorythm-determined number of pixels or more than that, if you want?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:20, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Chinese Algorithm
Hey, I've finished three algorithms (one every five years) for each nation I'm fighting, but I just want to run an okay by you. Also, I've been thinking: China, a nation with a great navy and a military with great guns and heavy hand-to-hand combat techniques, would NOT take 20 years to conquer a nation without guns. Just wanted to say that. No offense meant towards you or the algorithm.

CrimsonAssassin 02:59, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Honestly it's fine. The Aztecs have been having relations with outside powers for awhile, and more so for the Mayans, so they would probably have picked up guns just like every other country that's had relations with the Europeans. The Spanish conquest of the Mayans took 170 years, even though the Spanish had guns. That was mostly because unlike the Aztecs, the Mayans had no single power base, like Tenochtitlán. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 03:59, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

If you stop complaining maybe I'll let you get your territory early. :) But thanks for letting me know. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 04:01, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Oh wow. I did not know the conquest of the Mayans took that long :s. Anyway, I'll just stick to the algorithm. Sorry if I caused any trouble. CrimsonAssassin 00:55, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Spain (Principia Moderni)
Now that Eldwolf has been banned, Spain will be returned to grey color on the map, or it will enter on civl disarray?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 08:36, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

Civil disarray, how it was before. There have been a lot of famines and plagues. <small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 19:20, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

Swedish Expansion
I know the way Principia Moderni is played. I wanted to show Queen Christina as an abitious, peaceloving yet blind character. Her decision to allow the Dansih royal family to resume power will be her downfall. Denmark will revolt from Sweden's control after their military starts to level with Sweden's (about 1695) and they will use Swedish technology against Sweden. Queen Christina will die at the start of the war and Denmark will seem to win until a successor is brought out (to add to the confusion several members of the Swedish royal family will be killed by Danish forces).

Pixeles
Gracias, DK. Ahi veo los tamaños del mapa :) --Galaguerra1 17:21, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Algorythm
Can you give me a example in how to do a algorythm when one of the countries is on civil disarray? is because i can't correct those Sino-Mayan algorythms without knowing how to do it.i mean, what "A+(1-A)xB+(1-(1-A)xB)xC)" means?how does it translate to numbers?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:53, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

I still did not understood.my attempts to do that eventually got to 0. There are the results, by the way; if i understood well, i take the first, subtract it, add the second, subtract it, and repeat the procedures.I think that something is wrong with my line of thought but i really can't understand precisely how to do it.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 21:00, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1 - 15,15
 * 2 - 9
 * 3 - 18,84
 * 4 - 23,28


 * 1) Country loses 15.15%.
 * 2) Country has 84.85% remaining. Nine percent of that is 7.64%, leaving only 77.21%.
 * 3) Country has 77.21% remaining. Times this by 18.84%, and that is 14.54%, leaving only 62.67%.
 * 4) Country has 62.67% remaining. Times this by 23.28%, and you get 14.58%.  This leaves only 48.09%.

Since 48.09% < 66.66%, China has fully conquered the country.

You can do the same calculations for the Mayans.

<small style="color:#004400">Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:02, October 15, 2011 (UTC)