Talk:Axis vs Allies Revised (Map Game)

Roll Back
This roll back really sucks. Really, really sucks. Bobalugee1940 01:23, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. This only got rolled back because 3 of the mods that voted for rollback were USSR's allies and the USSR player went and cried like a little baby on Pitakang's talkpage.

Flamebait if not outright flame. And since only mods can decide that, and the game WAS getting implausible... Fed (talk) 02:58, September 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Indeed. It was getting outrageous and way too implausible. We don't want AvAr to end up like the last AvA. ChrisL123 03:03, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * I did not like the fact that the now deleated Urals SSR and Bashkoitia had surendered to them, and then was crushed any how. The UN would never stick for that!Oxfordshire 1972 03:13, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about what are you saying... Could you please try and explain better? Fed (talk) 03:15, September 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not shure my self about the 1 turn life of Urals SSR and Bashkoitia. Was it even canon or was it just me snorting cocaine that day?Oxfordshire 1972 13:33, September 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * While the mod team is open to constructive criticism, please note that we are not being biased in any way when we roll anything back. We want a fair game as much as you all do. CrimsonAssassin 03:53, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Soviet Union
Location: 5

Tactical advantage: 1

Strength: 25 (nukes, chem, pop, industry, foreign aid)

Motive: 10

Chance: 7

Alliances: 28 (Note: I am basing these off of the Diplo page, more the reason for you guys to update them)

Grand Total:
65

Finland
Location: 5

Tactical advantage: 2

Strength: 24 (nukes, chem + SUMA aid and UASR aid)

Motive: 10

Chance: 4

Alliances: 18

Grand Total
63

Result
Crushing Soviet victory, the Soviet Union pushes far into Finland, advancing hundreds of miles. The Finnish air force is disabled for 1 year. (Note: All those posts about destroying Soviet navy: not true unless you post algorithm)

FInland is a member of the Eurasian powers and china... Look at diplomacy page... and it has nukes and chemical weapons ~LX

You don't have an air force to employ me; the USSR also has nukes and chem weapons. Also, sign your posts. Fed (talk) 23:19, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

The only reason for that is that the air force was defeated using this inacurate algorithm, and I would have an air force to deploy them if you can make the changes I mentioned.LxCaucassus 23:46, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Still crushing USSR victory.. Fed (talk) 23:51, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

no its not its a SUMA victory. I am a member of the Eurasian powers, SUMA and China and yet it only shows that I have 2 allies, dont realy think tahts right and I fixed it.LxCaucassus 00:33, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

It showed you had NINE. 00:39, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry my mistake I counted the SUMA as a member in the Number of members and then added 3 for Sweeden, Norway and China. Either way its only a 2 pt victory and only because of Chance, not that crushing... and air force isnt disabled AT ALL.LxCaucassus 00:50, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

And USSR foreign aid from WHO?(agianst Finland, not china or germany or whatnot)LxCaucassus 00:58, September 28, 2011 (UTC

The Italians. The USA Azecreth 22:07, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

1951
Soviet Union ' 

Location: 5

Tactical advantage: 1

Strength: 25 (nukes, chem, pop, industry, Italian and US aid if I'm not wrong; at least Italian.)

Motive: 10

Chance: 1

Alliances: 28 (Note: I am basing these off of the Diplo page, more the reason for you guys to update them)

<span style="font-size: 9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A">Grand Total: '

<p style="margin-top: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 6pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">70 (67 without Caribbean).

<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A">Finland '<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white"> 

<p style="margin-top: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 6pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Location: 5

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Tactical advantage: 2

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Strength: 24 (nukes, chem + SUMA aid and UASR aid)

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Motive: 10

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Chance: 7

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Alliances: 18

<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size: 9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A">Grand Total '

<p style="margin-top: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 6pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">66

<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A">Result '<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white"> 

Soviet victory. Stalemate.

1951.6
Soviet union

<p style="margin-top: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 6pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Location: 5

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Tactical advantage: 1

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Strength: 25 (nukes, chem, pop, industry, Italian and US aid if I'm not wrong; at least Italian.)

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Motive: 10

Chance: 4

Alliances; 28

Grand total: 

73

Finland: 

<p style="margin-top: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 6pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Location: 5

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Tactical advantage: 1

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Strength: 25 (nukes, chem, pop, industry, Italian and US aid if I'm not wrong; at least Italian.)

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Motive: 10

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Chance: 10

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Alliances; 18

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Grand total:

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">69

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Result:

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Soviet victory. Soviet troops push into Finland and seize land in southern and central finland...

<h3 style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">1952

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Soviet Union

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Location: 5

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Tactical Advantage: 1

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Strength: 25

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Motive: 10

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Chance: 8

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Alliances: 28

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Total: 

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">77

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Finland

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Location: 5

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Tactical Advantage: 2

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Strength: 24

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Motive: 10

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Chance: 9

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Alliances: 18

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Total: 

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">68

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Result:

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Soviet Victory. Helsinki falls, along with most of Central and Western Finland.

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Ok...This time US and Italy didnt help. thats minimum -7 possibly -8 pts.

<h3 style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">1952.6 Soviet Union

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Location: 4

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Tactical Advantage: 1

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Strength: 23

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Motive: 10

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">Chance: 8

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">Alliances: 30

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">Grand total:

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">76

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">Finland

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Location: 5

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Tactical Advantage: 2

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Strength: 24

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Motive: 10

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">Chance: 6

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">Alliances: 18

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">Grand total:

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">65

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">Result:

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">Soviet Victory. Finland is annexed, Soviet troops make inroads into Sweden.

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">The location shouldnt be 5 in the USSR, it should be 4 or 3. And the USA and the Itlians are not aiding in finland...i dont see how this makes that much sense. that is -7 or possibly -8 points.

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">I moved it to 4. The Italians are still aiding me, since they can ship through the Dardanelles and then up to the USSR. I subtracted US aid. It's still a crushing victory for me

<h3 style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;">1953.6

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white">Soviet Union <span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in;background:white">Location: 3 <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in;background:white">Tactical Advantage: 1 <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in;background:white">Strength: 22 <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in;background:white">Motive: 10 <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">Chance: 1

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">Alliances: 32

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white">Grand total: <span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">69

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in;background:white">Finland <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in;background:white">Location: 5 <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in;background:white">Tactical Advantage: 2 <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in;background:white">Strength: 27 <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in;background:white">Motive: 10 <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">Chance: 6

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">Alliances: 20

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white">Grand total: <span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">70

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white">Result: <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white"> USSR repuleses the NUMA counterattack. Very minor gains.

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Discussion: 

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Alliances should be 32, since I have Germany now. And would you care to tell me why my strength went down by 1? So technically, it should at least have been a stalemate. Actually, thinking about it, without the Ethiopia alliance in the EP, I should win, if only barely. Azecreth 13:49, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Actualy, FInland Has 10 Allies... look it up. And 19+3 is 22 not 23.LxCaucassus 20:59, October 3, 2011 (UTC <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">)

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt;">I count 8, 9 if we do decide to include Iceland. I still win. Azecreth 23:14, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

<h3 style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt;">1954

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white">Soviet Union <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in; background:white">Location: 3

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in; background:white">Tactical Advantage: 1

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in; background:white">Strength: 19[Italy no longer helping] <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in; background:white">Motive: 10

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white">Chance: 5 <span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white">Alliances: 32 <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white">Grand total: <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;background:white">70

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in;background:white">Finland <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in; background:white">Location: 5

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in; background:white">Tactical Advantage: 2

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in; background:white">Strength: 27

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in;padding:0in; background:white">Motive: 10

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white">Chance: 9 <span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white">Alliances: 22

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white">Grand total: <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A; background:white">

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">77

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:#3A3A3A;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:none windowtext 0in; padding:0in;background:white">Result: 

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">NUMA victory, Soviets repulsed from Denmark and Finland

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">Okay. No. Greenland and the Faroes are PART of Denmark. They are not their own nations. And Denmark as been annexed so they cannot be an ally. Alliances should be 18. And Finland itself can no longer give you aid, since it got conquered. Your strength should be 24, I think. Your total should be 68. Oh, and that stuff about the air force doesn't need to be here.

<p style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 17.25pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;background:white">They are nto part of Denmark but of te Danish realm. Its like Canada and Brittain. theyre like in personal union. Finland Can give aid... yes, finland can help, occupation does not mean destruction.

Soviet Union
Location: 5

Tactical Advantage: 2

Strength: 21

Motive: 10

Chance: 8

Alliances: 22

Grand Total
62

China
Location: 5

Tactical advantage: 1

Strength: 25

Motive: 5

Chance: 8

Alliances: 14

Grand Total:
57

Result
Crushing Soviet victory. Chinese troops are smashed; Chinese forces are expulsed from USSR territory; USSR forces make inroads into Uyguristan and Mongolia.

Discussion
... Um, could you tell us WHY did you decide to increase your strength so much, your motive increased as well as your alliances, AND you changed the location to 5, given the fact the fighting is in USSR ground right now? Fed (talk) 00:18, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

Soviet Union
Location: 3 (Naval battle only)

Tactical advantage: 2

Strength: 10

Motive: 10

Chance: 4

Alliances: 28

Grand Total:
57

UASR
Location: 3

Tactical advantage: 1

Strength: 9

Motive: 5

Chance: 6

Alliances: 20

Grand Total:
43

Result
Decisive Soviet victory, 1/4 of British navy destroyed, 1/8 of Soviet destroyed.

Soviet Union
Location: 10

Tactical advantage: 2

Strength: 2

Motive: 10

Chance: 1

Alliances: 28

Grand Total:
52

Japan
Location: 9

Tactical advantage: 1 (use of jet bombers and over-whelming force)

Strength: 7

Motive: 5

Chance: 7

Alliances: 30 (China, Hindustan, Thailand)

Result
Decisive Japanese victory, all soviet forces are crushed and the Kuril Islands, Sakhalin Island, and Kamchatka Peninsula are all taken. The Soviet military in the area is crushed. Japan takes moderate casualties.

No way you can take all that in 6 months. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 23:52, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Yes you can as there is nearly no soviets on Sakhalin or the Kurils, pus they are allrelly close to each other and the Japanese homeland. In the Kamchaka I lost over one thousand men (I was being generous) to (again) moderate to light Soviet armies. They have nearly nothing that far in the east while we do, so yes it is possible. Bobalugee1940 11:03, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

. Do you see all those mountains? A smaller Soviet force could hold you up for a while there, not to mention all the rain and snow. Thats why you can't take the entire thing.

Oh, and overwhelming force doesn't give you a tactical advantage. If it did, I woul;d have crushed Finland by now. Azecreth 13:44, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

Snow is rife even in the summer, wate a turn to conqure the local resistance fighters in moutains. Japanese may also get frost bite in the winter. / . Oxfordshire 1972 14:38, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

1951.6
Soviet Union:

Location: 3

Tactical Advantage: 1

Strength: 19 [Nukes, chemical weapons, population, industry]

Motive: 10

Chance: 1

Alliances: 28

Grand total: 

62

Japan:

Location: 4

Tactical Advantage: 2

Strength: 1

Motive: 5

Chance: 4

Alliances: 26

Grand total: 

42

Result: 

Crushing soviet victory. Japanese driven out of Kamchatka. Soviets land amphibiously on Sakhalin, and retake ove rhalf the island.

Soviet Union
Location: 5

Tactical advantage: -2

Strength: 20

Motive: 10

Chance: 3

Alliances: 28

Grand Total: <p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">64

Hindustan
<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Location: 5

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Tactical advantage: 5 (I still control most of Persia and this is for capturing lost territory)

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Strength: 24

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Motive: 10

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Chance: 5

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Alliances: 22

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Grand Total:

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">71

Result
Decisisve Hindustani victory. All Persian land lost is retaken and big inroads are made into Soviet Kyzakistan. However, resistance fighters have not been fully crushed with a few pockets remaining.

Shirt pockets?86.24.28.2

United States
Location: 2

Tactical advantage: 1

Strength: 63 (3 nukes, 2 chem, 9 military alliances, 2 industry, 2 population)

Motive: 3 (Social/moral -3 for nukes)

Chance: 4

Alliances: 12 (Alliance with Great Britain cut)

Grand Total:
81

UASR
Location: 5

Tactical advantage: 6

Strength: 12

Motive: 12 (+2 use of nukes)

Chance: 8

Alliances: 12

Grand Total
55

Result:
Crushing American victory, US troops destroy most of Royal Navy, RAF, and take parts of the center of England.

US
Location: 3

Tactical advantage: 1

Strength: 38 (2 nukes, 1 chem)

Motive: 3

Chance: 6

Alliance: 12

Grand Total:
63

Great Britain
Location: 5

Tactical advantage: 6

Strength: 112 (10 nukes, feeling sorry for u already)

Motive: 12

Chance: 8

Alliances: 12

Grand Total
155

Result
British victory (to say the least). Most, if not all, of Britain is retaken and the British navy is engaged with the Americans.

United States
Location: 3

Tactical advantage: 1

Strength: 93

Motive: -3 (Use of nukes for 3 consecutive turns)

Chance: 2

Alliance: 12

Grand Total:
108

Finland
Location: 5

Tactical advantage: 2

Strength: 18

Motive: 12

Chance: 8

Alliance: 12

Grand Total:
57

Result
Crushing American victory, America seizes the northern half of Finland

Discussion
WTF strength 93??????????????????????????????????????????? Just becasue you are the USA doesnt mean you can put your strength on steroids.

8 nukes, my friend. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 01:31, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

2 can play at hat game.......... and did you just cause nuclear winter.... yes you did.....CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!LxCaucassus 01:32, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

First point, calm the hell down. Second point, 8 nukes will not cause a nuclear winter. Do some research. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 01:35, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Yes they will. and 8 H-bombs wich are roughly 14-20 MT of TNT and a nuclear winter is about 100 MT. Finland added some more nukes to the fun. I did my research. I was informed and these are no longer A-bombs they are H-bombs. Their yield is alot higher. So mabe scale down the nuking?LxCaucassus 01:45, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

I used 1 Hydro bomb, and 7 nuclear bombs. That is NOT 100 MT. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 01:43, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Ok...yous should clarify that and lots of H-bombs and nuclear bombs have been exploded this year. Its be burning cities that cause it anyway. there's a reason why nukes werent used EN-Masse in OTL... WE should have learned by now. At least 60 MT over CITIES! Thats enough to nuclear Winter. 100 MT anywhere is a nuclear winter. Truely sorry about that. We just have to work our way out of this I guess.LxCaucassus 02:26, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

You know, Pita, you could invade Norway, as they are in the war. Azecreth 13:39, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

United States
Location: 1

Tactical advantage: 1

Strength: 19

Motive: 6

Chance: 7

Alliance: 12

Grand Total:
46

British Malaysia
Location: 5

Tactical advantage: 6

Strength: 12

Motive: 10

Chance: 8

Alliances: 3 (Great Britain)

Grand Total:
44

Result
US victory, US takes eastern island, blockade is set up of rest of Malaysia. (Note: If you guys are wondering how I seized so much with only a 2 point difference, it was the sheer numerical superiority- the British didn’t garrison Malaysia very well, it wasn’t very well equipped, and the Brits are in a little trouble right now )

Nukes again... *sigh*
Guys, you can't be that implausible with nukes. Please. Why do you think there were only 2 nuclear strikes in OTL in war? I propose a rollback to last year. ._. Fed (talk) 02:42, September 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * :-013:09, September 29, 2011 (UTC)82.18.203.123 13:10, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Well there are some nations less... loose with their nuclear arsenal. CrimsonAssassin 02:57, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Let them loose via nulcliar winter and deleat there nation as was Germany and the Trucial states after conquest. kick them off.Oxfordshire 1972 03:58, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

I propose a rollback. Scandinator

I agree, if our attacks were rolled back, so should theirs. The US can bomb the UASR but cannot invade them, no way. Logistics would be a bitch and British submerines would be pretty useful at downing most of the American fleet and the UASR does have the best fleet in the world and would use their own nuclear bombs. Imperium Guy 09:37, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

MT cut to KT, nukes shrunk.213.81.113.254 11:32, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

I struck out most of the targets and reduced the yeald to make it plausable.Oxfordshire 1972 11:49, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with the rollback idea. I think Lx just got angry that he was losing, and did an implausible nuke. Then it just got out of hand. Azecreth 13:45, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Deleate the posts concerning the nucliar war but keep ones like Venezuela's Hungsarian raid, the Yugoslavs in the Bahamas, Thai F-1 team, Japan in Russia after 1950.Oxfordshire 1972 14:49, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

@Imperium Guy: Well, not really, because the US did have the largest sub fleet in the world, as well as the largest navy, although not as well trained as the Royal Navy. However, the USAAF could probably match the RAF, as that the USAAF have much greater numbers, as well as greater tech. And British subs back then were, while not drastically inferior to the American subs, were less developed, and in less numbers. As for the logistics, not really, because then how did America carry out Normandy? PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 23:08, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

With the help of the British (Normandy). The Royal Navy would match the US Navy and we kinda nuckec your fleet.

Also see
Axis vs Allies Revised national flags

United States
Location: 3

Tactical advantage: 1

Strength: 10

Motive: 3

Chance:1

Alliance: 12

Grand Total:

30

UASR
Location: 5

Tactical advantage: 6

Strength: 32 (2 nukes)

Motive: 10

Chance: 7

Alliances: 12

Grand Total
78

Result
Repulsing British Victory. All British land recaptured. Huge cleanup operations begin and fit tropps are sent to counter-attack in Africa (Ethiopia, you are as good as a gonner).

Discussion
Oh, come on, there's no way the British could beat the United States 78 to 30. ChrisL123 18:21, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

Well, after constantly nucking them after they nucked us, their bad, we actually can and they are engaged somewhere else.

Ethiopia
<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Location: 5

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Tactical advantage: 1

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Strength: 0

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Motive: 5

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Chance: 2

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Alliance: 2

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Grand Total: 15

UASR
<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Location: 3

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Tactical advantage: 2

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Strength: 32 (2 nukes)

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Motive: 7

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Chance: 8

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Alliances: 12

Grand Total:
64

Result:
Decisive British victory. Aden is recaptured and big gains are made in mainland Ethiopia.

Discussion

 * I'm confused. Isn't Ethiopia a member of the Eurasian Powers? So why are you two at war?
 * Don't tell me, they attacked us.
 * Ethiopia and Sudan was given 2 Panzer II tanks and a MiG 15 comparable fighter by Venezuela in 1953.82.14.49.185
 * And that turns the tables??

1953.6
Soviet Union

Location: 3

Tactical Advantage: -2

Strength: 17

Motive: 10

Chance: 2

Alliances: 32

Total

62

China

Location: 4

Tactical Advantage: 5

Strength: 17

Motive: 5

Chance: 0

Alliances: 20

Total

52

Result

Soviet Victory, Chinese forces are driven out of the USSR, and are pushed into the deserts of Northern China. Parts of Mongolia are liberated, along with Tannu Tuva

Discussion

 * War is over guys. [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imperium Guy 20:57, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

UASR/Hindustan
Location: 3

Tactical Advantage: 1

Strength: 28

Motive: 6

Chance: 8

Alliances: 18

Grand Total: 64

USA
Location: 1

Tactical Advantage: 6

Strength: 19

Motive: 5

Chance: 6

Alliances: 12

Grand Total: 49

Result
Decisive Coalition victory. Most of the Phillipines is captured and is given to Japan. Malaysia is also liberated from the Americans.

Absence
I have to leave temporary the game for study Problems, I guess I will return Within a week the Map Game. Greetings :D! (Jaeden Cuenta Cuentos 18:26, October 3, 2011 (UTC)).

I will look after Spain an stop it being harmed in your absence.Oxfordshire 1972 18:50, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

United States
Location: 3

Tactical advantage: 1

Strength: 19

Motive: 6

Chance: 8

Alliances: 12

Grand Total:
49

UASR Gambia
Location: 3

Tactical advantage: 2

Strength: 12

Motive: 5

Chance: 6

Alliances: 16

Grand Total:
44

Result
Close American victory, American troops occupy Gambia

United States:
Location: 4

Tactical advantage: 1

Strength: 14 (2 chem)

Chance: 4

Alliances: 12

Grand Total:
35

Japan
Location: 1

Tactical advantage: 2

Strength: 3

Chance: 7

Alliances: 10

Grand Total:
23

Result
Decisive American victory, the rest of Mexico is taken by the Americans.

Discussion
Niemożliwe! This is total BS! The alliaces should be lower for the Americans but what major allies do they have, and the Alliances for Japan should be higher because of its alliances with the Thai, Hindu, Chinese, British, Tongan, and Okinawan. The Japanese also recently sent troops over there as well as the Hindus thus we should not only out-number the Americans but we've also been in more warfare and are better fighters. Bobalugee1940 11:02, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

America has the USSR, the French, the Italians, and the Argentinians, as far as I know. That's because they are a member of the Global Alliance for Democracy.Azecreth 14:09, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

1954
Soviet Union

Location: 3

Tactical Advantage: -2

Strength: 19

Motive: 10

Chance: 7

Alliances: 32

Total

69

UASR

Location: 2

Tactical advantage: 5

Strength: 15 [If Hindustan is helping, I will fix, but I assumed we were at peace]

Motive: 10

Chance: 6

Alliances: 12

Total

50

Result

Crushing Soviet victory. Troops roll into Iraq. Northern Iraq falls, Baghdad falls.

Discussion

1954.6
Soviet Union

Location: 3

Tactical Advantage: -2

Strength: 19

Motive: 10

Chance: 9

Alliances: 32

Total

71

UASR

Location: 2

Tactical advantage: 5

Strength: 15

Motive: 10

Chance: 2

Alliances: 12

Total

46

Result

Soviet victory. The rest of Iraq falls.

Discussion

Austria
Is it ok to do stuff like post these kind of election results and things, you know propoganda? Kunarian 20:11, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know.Oxfordshire 1972 00:24, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Sick leave
I will be only posting a minor post for Venezuela each day and not doing the maps due to ill health.Oxfordshire 1972 18:16, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Kick LxCaucassus
I motion that LxCaucassus be kicked from the game. Posted by Azecreth

Reasoning: Minor Godmodding, continued implausibility.

Justification:

1. He has been playing Scandinvaia as 1 nation, which is impossible. Scandinavian unionism is dead, and has been since the 1880's. They would never become 1 nation again, no matter how afraid of the USSR they are.

2. Apparently Scandinavia has greater technological resources than the USA, since they both started an H-Bomb project in the same year, and he got the bomb first, despite him being at war with me. Einstien contributed almost nothing to the Manhattan Project in OTL, besides E=MC2, and there are no really good nuclear scientists in Finland to help them make a bomb first.

3. Apparently Scandinavia combined has more resoources than Nazi Germany in OTl, since we have been at war for almost 5 years and Finland still hasn't fallen. The Germans only lasted 4 years, and that was with a surprise attack, better trained soldiers, qualitively superior tanks, and almost winning the war. But they still lost. Some will probably claim that Germany was fighting a two front war, but the second front didn't really become a drain on resources until the Italy landings, and D-Day. By that point, there was no saving Nazi Germany.

Should LxCaucassus be removed from the game? 1. Yes 2. No

Well, I think that we should give him one more chance, and he’s not really an “implausogasm” person like Rebelsoldier, he just has very. . . pro Scandinavian and Slavic ideals. I think that if he does do more, we could ban him for a couple turns- kicking people off map games is, I believe, only to the most extreme of measures. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 22:06, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Theres no point in banning me i already leftLxCaucassus 22:16, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

UASR
<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;">Location: 3

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Tactical Advantage: -2

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Strength: 15

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Motive: 10

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Chance: 3

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Alliances: 12

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Total

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">41

Ethiopia
<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Location: 5

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Tactical advantage: 5

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Strength: 0

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Motive: 5

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Chance: 8

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Alliances: 2

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Total

<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">25

Result
<p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial;">Decisive British victory. All of Aden, using superiority of no.s and better training, is recaptured.

1957
Soviet Union

Location: 3

Tactical advantage: 1

Strength: 18 [+10 nukes, +5 chemical weapons, +3 Polish aid]

Motive: 5

Chance: 6

Alliances: 30

Total

63

Austria/UASR

Location: 4

Tactical Advantage: 2

Strength: 24 [+10 nukes, +5 chemical weapons, +3 UASR aid, +3 Germany, +3 Yugoslavia]

Motive: 10

Chance: 8

Alliances: 18

Total

66

Result

Slight Austrian Victory. pushes soviets to borders of Germany.

Discussion

1958
Soviet Union

Location: 3

Tactical advantage: 1

Strength: 18 [+10 nukes, +5 chemical weapons, +3 Polish aid, +3 Cuban aid]

Motive: 5

Chance: 1

Alliances: 30

Total

61

Austria/UASR

Location: 4

Tactical Advantage: 2

Strength: 24 [+10 nukes, +5 chemical weapons, +3 UASR aid, +3 Germany, +3 Yugoslavia]

Motive: 10

Chance: 5

Alliances: 18

Total

63

Result

Slight Austrian Victory.

Discussion

The USSR has no player.
Since Azereth left, I will run the USSR and Tanu Tuva defesivly and try to save what I can for his return or the USSR going neautral grey in 7 turns time. A honerable peace deal is my Idea.Oxfordshire 1972 01:13, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

I'll take control of the USSR permanately if he doesn't return within a week. CrimsonAssassin 01:23, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

I have given an honerable peace, accept German, Austrian and Bulgarian Territorial demands and all is good. The other demands of Russia will then be agreed with. Kunarian 06:51, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

The USSR agrees to the peace treaty with Austria.Oxfordshire 1972 16:45, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Pax Khruscheve?
Peace in our time? Oxfordshire 1972 04:01, October 12, 2011 (UTC)



No, the map that Austria said it will go no less than territory wise is the limit, change whatever territories Germany, Austria and Bulgaria do not have a claim to however nothing else shall be changed. the territory of German and Austria and Bulgaria will be given to them. Kunarian 06:36, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

The new map is accpeted, Austria has the diplomatic upper hand.Oxfordshire 1972

PitaKang
He has just postes saying he has retiered due to doing his 8th grade. I will run a 1 week potectorate on the USA and then give it to another user or it gose neautal Grey.Oxfordshire 1972 01:08, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

Members
All members, please post your moves, it makes the turns interesting!! :D Imperium Guy 19:23, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

Leaving
I'm sorry, guys, but I've really lost interest in this game. I found it's developed to a very much original AvA-like implausibility and I've lost interest. Bye. Fed (talk) 03:18, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

He did not poast much and just wanted to chide Hindustan every time it went near Somalia, he wont be missed.82.18.192.40 04:22, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

I do pay attention to replies on talk pages, you know.

I posted much before this became a quagmire of implausibility, which of if you were a member of this game you were probably part of.

Hindustan was attacking Italy's sovereign territory by "going near Somalia". Fed (talk) 04:25, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

A space shuttel in 1958 was daft, Hindustan was hyper-develping too much.82.18.192.40 04:28, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

You've turned this into a "who gets what" contest again; Hindustan, extremely implausible in the first place, became more of a superpower, Venezuela turned half of the world into its protectorates; How isn't that a quagmire of implausibility?! Fed (talk) 04:36, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

The nuckes were mad.Oxfordshire 1972 05:07, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I agree with that. If anything, it would be the great powers (GB, China, USSR or France) that would control Venezuela's current protectorates. ChrisL123 04:44, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * I did it as a servival tactitc. Personaly the M.R., Gayana Esqible and Ruthenia were only on my list. I was going to subert Peru like Panama and Nicaragua, but Hindustan began conquring my continent (Equador and Peru). I gave Portugal back Gunie and would not mide giving up Poland. I was thinking only of stopping Austria, Hindustan and the USSR taking over the world. I was going to do an election, where Poland realings with the USSR. I stuck my nose in to the Antrctica, but said I would leave below -). south since it's not been developed (it's to cold). I've surrendered Ruthenia to Austria. Turkey was ging to be crushed by Hinduastan, so I took over the rest. Elections were planned and gray status like Bohemia. Sudan is secduled for an election. The rest is stays my land.Oxfordshire 1972 04:55, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * I get it; Implausibility to stop implausibility has sense, but often kills map games. The fact a Hindustani state actually exists, was created out of nowhere and has the best army in the world killed the plausibility in this game. Besides the fact their invasions have no sense at all. Fed (talk) 05:07, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree Fred, you 100% right on Hindustan! The Cuba-USA-Venezuela-Mexico war was a bizar land grab, but was better since it did not say conqure the USSR in a year, ect.I wuld like to have the game go on to prove I'm honest. The threat has passed and I want to prove to the Poles (with an election), D.R. Ismir (with an election) and Venezuela I'm not the new Napolion!Oxfordshire 1972 05:11, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree over mass techo-stuff.82.18.192.40 05:44, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Even I read talkpages, so what should I do, change all my shuttles to small craft. Me having a good army is because of me managing my resources. Real India's government is too currupt. There is no reason that Hindustan cannot match up with China or any other power with proper governece. I have already told Venezuala, I am willing to give my South American territory to him and ship my troops back to Hindustan. [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imperium Guy 09:55, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * I was also not "created out of nowhere", I had diplomatic talks with GB and only then did I become indepedent. The EASA has over 9 members, 3, maybe 4, of them are superpowers!! Therefore a shuttle could be build. So what do you want e to do?? Change the shuttle things into capsules or something?? [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imperium Guy 10:02, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Wait, 10 members, another superpower (America in) in the EASA!! [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imperium Guy 10:04, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Fed, you were a mod, if you had just simply posted it was hyper-development, I would have changed it into something else you know. There has been no mod post in like ages. [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imperium Guy 10:20, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't mind the hyper-dovelopment, since it's rather intresting and the Mods never questionede it unitll it was too well establishrd to remove due to canon (unlike the nukes in Europe). Go ahead, It's fun to see what can happen.Oxfordshire 1972 15:14, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

Infliltration of the USSR, killing leaders - 1959.6
Communist leaders all killed by UASR, well all remining leader killed. New constitutional monarchy implaced, with Tsar at the helm.


 * And this is actually possible with 4 or 5 superpowers in the 10 country team putting all of their resources to the EASA. There is no major problem there!! :D [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imperium Guy 15:17, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey werent their leadership supposed to be killed already(by Nukes)? and I want to be USSR! Petrograd New Capital! I shal not be a puppet to Brittain. Slavic Power! and Space power!LxCaucassus 23:28, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Space Shuttles in 1960? Implausible much?
Ok, I come back after leaving in about 1955 and what do I see? in the space of 5 YEARS we go from the V-2 Rocket to Space shuttles? Huperdevelopement! and A hindustan that large and being in charge of SPACE MISSIONS, and a shuttle BEFORE the Saurn V rocket and a Saturn V rocket before Voshod, and Soyuz, and Jemeni and Murcury? thats 5 years, In OTL it took 30 years to get from the V-2 to the Shuttle, here it takes 5? next thing I know we'll all have the internet by 1965! How can somebody launch a man into space without launching anything else into orbit first? its Implausible to the max! scale down the space tech... It's JUST 1960!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats 5 YEARS form V-2 to Discovery? WTF???????LxCaucassus 23:51, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Imperium and his allies, however, will just say "it's plausible with 5 superpowerz! :D" and do nothing about it. And yes, Imp, Hindustan and its imperialism have no sense whatsoever. Oh, and by the way, nobody wanted the monarchy in Russia to your constitutional puppet. Fed (talk) 00:20, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Its not, you have to have an evolution of technology, the shuttle was only made to replace the regular rockets as a more cost efficient way because of their multiple uses. it doesnt make sense that the shuttles were invented first!LxCaucassus 00:34, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

TOO IMPLAUSIBLE
I thought I could batten down the hatches against the implausibility, but it's just too much. The only thing that would save this game would be a massive rollback of the ENTIRE game. That or a nuclear war (tried starting one, didn't happen). CrimsonAssassin 00:17, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Reset the Entire Game? 1. Yes 2. No 3. No, but have a nuclear war!!! (Be serious about this decision please)

I have multiple issues with resenting an entire game, just look at what happened to the Imperialist America game: 15 years of gameplay got reset and guess what? It died a swift and painless death as all(and I mean ALL) just stopped editing the day after it was reset. Dont want this to happen here, just reseting of space tech stuff.