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TSPTF Responsibilities
If you are receiving this message, you are a member of the TSPTF. In an effort to keep this wiki in tip-top shape, I have made a list of responsibilities on the TSPTF page that I hope you all volunteer to do (at least three of them). If we work together we can make this place into a quality wiki. Mitro 22:17, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Since you have long been a critiique of the current form of the article, and I don't have the time or resources to contribute regularly at the moment, I invite you to change it so that the government is exiled to the north and such. I want it to be kind of an East/West Berlin reunification type thing, thats my only guideline if you do fix up the article. Arstarpool 00:20, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Can you help me come up with names ectra for the states of the Rheinland Federation?Vegas adict 17:52, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

1983's Greece
Hello Oerwinde,
 * You'll probably notice when you see the recent changes that I'm trying to get a group of fellow-caretakers to help me in my task of expanding the Federation of Greece in 1983:Doomsday, no small task. I really liked your ideas for the postbellum Italian Peninsula and I'd like to ask you for help as well. Now any ideas you have are welcome, and I already have quite a bit of unwritten ideas for Greece (this site takes precedence below real life, Facebook.com, and AH.Com, so I never really did much year, at least not for great periods of time), and I'd like to coalesce any ideas you have and mine. Would be willing to help?

Mr.Xeight 05:42, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much for all the ideas you've contributed so far, the idea for the future government and maps were brilliant! I like the idea of an elected king, I mean you don't see it very much except for in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. I do have a question, would you find it rude if I moved a few islands on the map to different states and added more Peloponnesian territory to Morea ("Morea" is the actual English word for the Peloponneso(s), "Moreos" is only a direct translation of the sounds from Greek-to-English. That's my random fact of the day ;D)? I don't want to offend you and afterall the maps were you doing, not mine, which is why I leave the decision to you. Mr.Xeight 18:04, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Sundered Veil
Can I help with the Sundered Veil TL, I have several posible ideas including a posible British Civil War between a pro magic version of the Puritans and more moderate McGregorist's Vegas adict 18:21, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Map Games
Does anyone play the map games anymore? It just doesn't seem like I see any activity on those pages. Mitro 18:22, August 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * They've pretty much died down. A lot of people playing them used things they made in the games to start their own timelines and such. I got sick of them because they just got flooded with people who didn't care about plausibility.Oerwinde 07:53, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thus ends a strange chapter in the history of this wiki. Mitro 14:03, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

The games appear to be making a comeback. Mitro 00:34, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Oerwinde, is there anything needed when creating a map game because I would like to create a map game. What are the rules? Do I have to become a moderator?

Chicagoan 01:50, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

and what exactly is a map? How does it work.?Chicagoan 01:51, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Greece
Sure. I was going to do it anyways, lol. but what you've written sounds good to me.

I figured I'd work on some of those parts tonight as well. You'll see the Ionian Islands Republic up now.

Maybe we should divy these provinces up?

Lordganon 08:11, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that'd be best. While I could do a lot of that state, I also know little about that subject.

I'll work on the Ionian article.... How about I do the Rhodes, Delian, Hellas, and Thrace articles too? And you take the other ones?

Lordganon 08:32, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good.

Yeah, a few of these will be hard. I will help you, mind. Just as I hope you help me in the same way.

The article on Egypt should have what you need to make a base for the article, if it helps.

Lordganon 08:43, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

I like the sound of that.

Lordganon 10:25, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

The Despot/King of Morea (he might actually go with tyrant since in Ancient Greek all it meant was a monarch that seized power himself with no family ties to the throne) is Nikolaos Michaloliakos-he's the leader of a Greek neo-facist party OTL, or at least he was. Also, great job on all of the pages and flags; in fact the flags blew me away! I was also wondering if it would be possible to move the island of Euboea from control of the Hellenic Republic to the Delian League only because the backstory I wrote involved the first capital in the city of Chalki (Euboea's OTL capital) and because my family is from the city of Marmari and I always had the HR having somewhat sinister motivations (restablishing Greece under the Hellenic Republic, which really isn't that sinister), and plus it's a social democracy-the Delian League is not. Also, would you mind if the Republic of the Holy Mountain went with the flag of the Patriarch (yellow background, black double-headed eagle) for its current flag, and we save that awesome flag for the solidified monarchy? I'd also like to know if I could write an article on the neo-conservatism and monarchistic feelings going around in Greek youths, and I made a flag for the Egyptian state, although I need to add a crescent to it to represent the Arabs. Mr.Xeight 12:27, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

I guess if you're editing the map, move the island of Kythira to Ionian control, please.

Go ahead and write that article. And please just go right ahead and add the religious stuff to the Holy Mountain article too.

Lordganon 15:00, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Well, that does make sense, and as for having Lesbos and the surrounding islands split off, I suppose more Balkanization makes sense as the Delian League needs to be pretty small to be an adequate true-democracy. Oh, and cudos, my good sir for your flags; they truly blew me away and your flag of Aigyptos is by-far better than the one I made. Finally, I knew this was going to happen, but would you minds giving me partially part of my job back? Now by no means to want to be an arch-caretaker along with you and Ganon, but it's too hard for me to part from DD; perhaps I could just be a regular caretaker? I was also wondering if I could change the name of "Agion Oros" to "The Republic of the Holy Mountain"; Agion Oros is just transliterating the phrase "Holy Mountain" into Latin letters. Mr.Xeight 00:36, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind too much, but I adjusted the maps you made slightly around Albania and Thrace. Thrace matches the Turkey maps better now, and I added the one strip because it makes sense, for securing the straits.

Lordganon 23:51, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Holy Mountain
Would you mind if I edited the sub-article on "The Holy Mountain" for the Federation of Greece? Arstarpool 04:36, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Turkey
So, why do you think the Sultanate of Turkey (1983: Doomsday) is too large? Caeruleus 01:36, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Former Yugoslavia
Hey Oerwinde, a new idea just came to me, what if the former states of Yugoslavia had kinda a cooperation group, name is pending but I wanna know what you think? Ownerzmcown 21:13, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

I think Vlad would be the one to talk to about that. He's done the Croatia, Bosnia, and Slovenia articles I believe.Oerwinde 21:14, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Oer. A while back somebody proposed the German Commonwealth, which is supposed to be some sort of loose confederation making up North Germany, Prussia, and German SW Africa and others possibly. I was wondering if maybe you wanted to form the Commonwealth some time in the immediate future, thats all for now : ) Arstarpool 22:57, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

That might be a possibility, but probably not until after a)Prussia`s king concludes his diplomatic tour, and B)contact is made with more German states.Oerwinde 07:47, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Arstarpool
This user has constable rights but has acted in a number of ways since early summer that not only appear to serve his own purposes but make him difficult to work with at best. Very recently he has created a number of gateway articles for 1983:DD that should be open for all editors to use, but writes them as if he is setting editorial policy for the entire timeline. One example is Alabama, in which he huffs that "Brian and South(Writer) took it over pretty much on their own initiative...so I renounce having anything to do with it" The latest example is having the Celtic Alliance condemn a British survivor nation for heinous crimes, and writing an item on the wcrb news page...then pulling the item, and the section of the main talk page discussing the matter after leaving a message saying it was a joke. I am tired of this activity. This is extremely unprofessional and, if it remains unchecked, could cause significant problems later on, including good, quality editors leaving who don't want to deal with the nonsense. --BrianD 03:52, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

King Andrew
I've had an idea. Since Prince Andrew wasn't married in 1983, and because of various goings on, still hasn't got married, I though there was a possibility that while on his tour of Victoria he falls in love with the Victoria secretary that travels with him and tells him about the delicate politics of the area. After all, he is used to the fairly robust and violent South African political world. Any way, he falls in love and the two eventually get married and he spends the rest of his life as the King of Victoria in Victoria. What do you think? Bob 12:02, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Flag of Anglo-Dutch Union
Could you please make a flag for the Anglo-Dutch union in the Dutch Superpower timeline, at the moment i'm using this flag but i was wondering if you could come up with something betterVegas adict 20:32, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Owen
If you are receiving this message you are a member of the TSPTF. Owen, which is already causing ruckus, wants to be part of the TSPTF again ! He claimed that he did not vote for Smoggy so he could gain respect but then wrote on Louis' page what I am about to write below: "since I successfully nominated Smoggy, can I join the TSPTF now?" - Owen1983 He doesn't get it, this guy. I suggest you respond to him. He does not get how we function, he does not understand how to write alternate history, hell, he barely knows how to write English, and he is a grade-A spammer. Some people are already complaining again and hes only been back for about a week or so.

Please respond, Arstarpool

Two Orthodoxies Follow-Up
Hey, Oer.
 * To be honest Eastern/Oriental Orthodoxy relations isn't my strong-suit. If you were to ask my the differences between Orthodox Christianity and West-Roman catholicism, that'd be easy; Oriental and Eastern Orthodoxy, not so much. However, I do know bits and pieces about the differences, I think. I believe the split (Council of Chalcedon) arose over problems in translations-something like the Greek word for duall-nature didn't translate well into other languages and translators used the wrong word. I heard on a bus in Greece from a Greek-Orthodox American priest that it wasn't until 1892 when translators realized the big misunderstanding (I was like three rows behind him, I hope I heard that right). So it appears the differences are just misunderstanding has had the churches love independence for too long, unfortunately. Now with Doomsday and all I think the two churches persecuted by the Sunni-Muslims would need each other to survive. However, which Patriarch would step down? Perhaps the unified-Patriarch of Alexandria could have two Patriarchs, a Greek and a Copt? That seems a little, shall we say, odd-it might not fly. I'll look into the real differences, but there's one major thing standing in the way-the one "flaw" of Eastern Christianity in this case (and it's really not a flaw)-all bishops need to approve the unification, just one bishop could prevent it. Again, Doomsday might change all of this, and both my faith and the faith of the Coptic people might see they need each other. As much as this is so terrible to say, perhaps one bishop might need to pass on between now and Doomsday and the surviving bishops elect someone from the other Alexandrian Church. Nicholas VI was Patriarch from 1968-1986, Partenius from '87-'96, Peter VII from '97-'04, and Theodore from '04-now. Perhaps 2004 might be the best time to do it, after the passing of Peter VII?

EDIT: Peter, along with other bishops, died in a plane crash in the Aegean Sea-I just realized that after perusing Wikipedia (I was only like 10 at the time-too young to remember). I don't know how to estimate how long someone'll live, should we just have the plane crash happen? Mr.Xeight 03:39, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I was thinking that we could transfer the dioceses of Crete, Gavthos/Gavdos, Kassos, and Karpathos (the southernmost islands of Greece) to the jurisdiction of the Patriarch of Alexandria to both boost their congregations as well as bring more Greeks into the Patriarch to even out the Greek/Copt/Arab flock. How such a major move my happen is beyond me at this point, but Doomsday would seem to change a lot of things. Mr.Xeight 03:43, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well Kemet is the most populous state in the Greek Federation, so it wouldn't really need a congregation boost.Oerwinde 08:15, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Norfolk County
Hello, Oer. Zack is being, well, Zack and is stating that Norfolk County is part of London, ON when in fact the North Pennsylvania article was created first and Norfolk has been in the article since the first drafts of the article. So I am asking you, while London doesn't have a map, and is not fully filled in, in your mind is Norfolk County part of London like Zack wants, or do you acknowledge that it is part of North Penn and always has been? Arstarpool 01:07, September 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * It doesn't make much sense that its part of N. Penn., and originally I had envisioned it as part of London since its closer to London than it is to N.Penn., but it was part of the N.Penn article first.Oerwinde 01:16, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

May have come first Oer, but London is canon and North Penn is not, so w/e you say would be the case.

Lordganon 01:24, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

That was the case with California and Sierra Nevada, where Cali was canon but Sierra wasn't and Sierra still won. Arstarpool 01:35, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

That was a special case, and you know it.

Made sense for Nevada to have that territory - makes little sense for Penn to have this area when London is right there, and the only real port in your area was nuked.

Lordganon 01:45, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

That really wasn't a special case but this is going to turn into a case before we know it.

I am asking Oer, no offense Ganon.

So what are we doing then Oer? Arstarpool 01:56, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Benghazi Spelling
Oh, sorry, Mr. Davies, I should have explained that one. I transferred the word "Eusperides" into the phonetic-Romanisation of Greek instead of the old one that Wikipedia and most people used which is quite, shall we say, "odd"-every letter in Greek that looks like a Latin one is "paired" up with the Latin in romanization. For instance, the the Greek "u" and Latin "u" have completely different sounds, yet in the Greek Romanisation they're paired up to each other, making the Romanised word sound completely different from the original Greek one. Other sounds just are completely different-the Greek letter "Hi" (looks like our "X") is turned into a "ch" by the Romanisation but the Greek "X" makes an "h" sound and thus the word is completely different. Thus the Romanisation is a huge pet peeve of mine and I'd like to show the group of AltHist.Wiki that the Romanisation everyone uses when they say "Zeus" or "Chios" is completely wrong. Mr.Xeight 21:42, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

other
If I publish a wikia article that has the same name as a previous article that was deleted but an entirely different timeline, is that against the rules? (AxisMan 10:28, September 26, 2010 (UTC))

Swebia-Wurttemberg
I f there is no isues with it can you remove the review templateOwen1983 12:45, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

going (OW)
I have checked the spelling on Provincial United Kingdom (1983: Doomsday) but could you double check it an correct any errors cya. --Owen1983 19:08, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Egypt
just to let you know i'm helping with the Egypt page and am going to abandon everything downstream of Cairo on the Nile as well as everything to the east of the river to the Red Sea as well as about 20 miles west of the river as well. I don't know if you want to expand Kemet into that area?--Smoggy80 17:59, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Why would they abandon everything east of the Nile? Downstream of Cairo is already canon so thats fine, but why give up on any red sea ports?Oerwinde 22:06, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

the main port on the Red Sea is Suez and it is under LON control so thats already been lost to Egypt. There aren't many ports south of there till you get to Bir Thamadah so i was going to make that the most northerly Egyptian port on the Red Sea, I may have been a bit vauge with my desciption, I didn't mean the entire length of the Nile (as in the full Red Sea coastline) only towns at the same Latitude at Cairo northwards, of which there are very few and most of them are small--Smoggy80 15:53, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

WWIII 1962:Map Game
Oer, could I ask a favor of you? This one player (AltMino) continues to write extremely implausible happenings in this game, such as the CCCP regaining control over the entirety of western Russia not a year after a nuclear war, the Soviets annexing the entire Eastern Bloc and invading and capturing Germany, and then bringing in all nations of Africa and South America on his side to regain control of a revolting Germany. Vene, the creator of the game, has not been on in a while and nobody has replied to my comments on the talk page regarding this. I don't want to assume control of the game from Vene, but, if you are still admin for the Map Games since your recent promotion, could you take a look at this and talk to this guy?

Thank you!

BoredMatt 23:19, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

Waterloo
I see you've made a page called the Waterloo Cooperative. Are you going to change the names on all the pages which mention Kitchener to Waterloo? Because I've used the name Kitchener in like 5 of my pages already <:-( Arstar 08:57, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

I was planning on it. Already changed it on London.Oerwinde 08:59, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Funnier History (Map Game)
Hey I'm quite new and I've made my own map game, how can I get more people to use it and could you please give me some constructive criticism of my page Funnier History (Map Game)- Qrfbsca 18:28, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Ethiopia flag in New Union
I was wondering if you could come up with a flag for Ethiopia (New Union)? Vegas adict 20:03, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

WAU in Bioko?
Hi Oerwinde. I've started a story for the island of Bioko, and it involves WAU forces driving out the Equatorial Guinean government and not succeeding very well with the new regime they create for it. Part of the idea is that it shows that the WAU has some weaknesses, but also to show an example of its growing muscle. Please take a look if you can. Benkarnell 03:48, October 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks. The WAU probably has a fairly noticeable "get out of Bioko" movement, but from the government's point of view it's probably just too valuable to leave in anarchy - or to the South Americans. Benkarnell 13:27, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Cascadia Adoption
I was wondering if I could adopt this article. I have some family out there (whom I visit every summer and Christmas), and consider myself fairly experienced with the area.

Thanks,

BoredMatt 20:01, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

ADC for post-Soviet/Warsaw states
Hey Oer. I'm making a post-Warsaw Pact league for the post-Soviet and Post-Warsaw nations that intend to keep the Siberians out of East Europe, and I was wondering if I could use Berlin as the headquarters, and namesake for the tentative "Berlin Pact". Also I'd like to know if West and East Poland would also be interested in joining. Thanks. Arstar 05:17, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

West Poland is a Siberian ally, so they're out. And one of the new King's foreign policy goals is to normalize relations with West Poland, so I'm not sure they'd be up for it. If its more about keeping communism from spreading further in eastern Europe rather than being opening anti-Siberian then maybe. East Poland isn't mine but they would likely want to join either way.Oerwinde 06:58, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

Greek Monarchy
I left a note on the Greece talk page a while ago that I'd like you to have a look at about this.

Lordganon 07:21, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

Map Game Question
oerwinde, http://images.wikia.com/common/__cb31499/skins/common/images/button_media.png How many people are needed for a map game to start

Chicagoan 23:13, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

Sicily War
I've completed a "script" for the war. Do you have an e-mail address I could send it to for you to look over? (Note: Arstar and Xeight have already approved it, as it is now)

Lordganon 06:19, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

kevin@energonreactor.com Oerwinde 08:49, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

Good to hear, and thanks for the reply so fast, lol.

I figured with that one that the IPA would take the lead, but Corsica would be involved somehow because of a combination of ADC membership and closeness. I'll make an adjustment for that to be obvious.

Independence or going to an IPA member after a period of time it is then. Simple enough, and no issues with Xeight or Arstar would come from it.

I'll post it in the next couple hours with the revision above, as well as a slight one in Italy Arstar wanted (how to divide it up, etc).

Lordganon 08:17, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

Good afternoon, Mr. Davies! We haven't in awhile, how've you been? Minus the arguments I've been in for the last week, things have really been interesting, especially in the dialogues between Mr. Ganon and I. And I'd like to ask you and Mr.Ganon to call me by my first name. Obviously "Constantine" might get a little tedious to spell out the whole, especially when my username is "X8", so Kosta is quite fine, as is Dean, which is the Anglicized shortened versions. And Merry Christmas to you, Mr. Davies! Mr.Xeight 22:07, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

I'm a decent typist so Constantine isn't too tedious, and honestly is a much cooler name than Dean. :POerwinde 22:13, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

Oerwinde how many players are needed to start a map game?

Chicagoan 22:51, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

East-Roman Republic
A republic, eh? Don't you know I'm a monarchistic who despises the current Republican Government in Greece, buddy :)
 * In all serious I'm glad to help. Definitely go with the old eagle symbol-although you don't necessarily have to go with the eagle-pattern so familiar to E. Roman afficianados. Red is a great colour to use as the flag's base-not a blood-red crimson, mind you, but a regal, darker red, the slightest of maroons but mostly red, like the colour of the Republic's flag. Depending on how jingoistic this republic is, a cross should probably be on the flag, as well as a quote (perhaps "eleftheria y thanatos" can come around nearly five-hundred years earlier than OTL) of some sort, be it an established Medieval quote, Bible passage, your own doing, etc. Some nice gold and some black should probably be on the flag as well. Finally, OTL some revolutionary flags featured Sts. Constantine and Helen on their flag; perhaps you might want to evoke the first Eastern-Roman Emperor on your flag? They're actually quite lovely, too bad we didn't go with that particular flag! As an aside, blue and white, especially blue, did not come to be tied to the Greek people until the 19th-century Romanticists had their way and Lord Byron tried to form Greece into his own pro-homosexual, artsy-fartsy idealistic kingdom where everyone spoke Archaic Greek and wore togas. I'm happy he had a bloody culture shock when he realised our culture had evolved in the last two-thousand five-hundred years! Good luck with the flag and Merry Christmas, my good sir! If you'd like, after the holidays I can design a rough flag you could look at-but I have not the technology to make a professional-level one.

Mr.Xeight 09:10, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Take a look at this flag-it's bloody perfect! The inscription on the flag reads "In my ashes I am reborn" (although it might mean "we are reborn"-I get confused between some of the conjugations. "I am reborn" makes much more sense though, unless the phoenix is that Golem fellow from Lord of the Rings :D). The Republic is most certainly rising from the ashes of the former-Roman Emperor, and the Phoenix is a big monarchist symbol, so I get my monarchist-fix :D. The flag I was talking about with St. Constantine can be seen at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sacred_band_1821.gif and the inscription translates to (it's not modern-Greek so I can't translate it, I only know what it means through my knowledge of Saint Constantine the Great, who is my namesake) "In this Sign you shall Conquer". You Westerners said what he saw in the sky was something like "In Hoc Signo Vinces" or something along lines, with the same meaning. I personally like the former-flag I showed myself, the quote about the ashes is a lot more relevant because it (Rome) is being reborn from the ashes (E. Rome and the Turks' ruined empire). If not there's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Athanasios_Diakos_1821.svg whose inscription reads "Liberty/Freedom (no distinction in Greek like there is in English, at least not that I know of) or Death". Goes with the whole Republicany feel I suppose, and the image of St. George gives it a more archaic, Roman/East Roman/Byzantine feel. Oh and I am 100% sure you know, so this is for people who be snooping around your page; please don't refer to your republic as "Byzantine". "Byzantine" has no historical background to it and was only created because technically the E. Roman Empire wasn't a Greek state and the West as a whole would rather die than refer to the Empire as it was, as Rome. Mr.Xeight 09:23, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Well what ended up happening in my TL is Rome is destroyed so the Eastern Roman Emperor decided to cut ties with the old ways and bring the Greeks to to forefront rebranding the Empire into the Greek Empire of Byzantium, renaming Constantinople to the original greek name. Hence being referred to as the Byzantine Republic. The empire lasts until the 1800s as mostly just Greece, Thrace, Asia Minor, and parts of Albania and Macedonia before they get a horrid emperor and a revolution brings about an old school oligarchic republic similar to ancient rome, but with some of the senators being elected. Thanks for the ideas, I'll have to look them over later, I'm in a hurry to bring the family to my parents for christmas.Oerwinde 16:02, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Have a little more time. I have something I did up for fun where I altered the Nazi 3rd Reich eagle removing the swastika and giving it the double head. I could possibly use that for the modern flag, and do up a more traditional one for an earlier flag. I don't know if I want to use red, as its more tied to the old empire, and when the Greek Emperor tried to reinvent the empire as an empire of Greeks, he tried to distance himself from the old Roman empire and establish newer greek symbols, or adopting older pre-roman greek symbols. I was thinking maybe the colors blue and gold. The blue symbolizing the ancient greek culture, the color associated with Zeus, Athena, Poseidon, etc. The gold being the color of the orthodox flag, and from my like 10 minutes of research, being an important color in orthodoxy. So a joining of the old and new greece. Maybe the flag fo the greek empire will use the traditional eagle, and the republic will use the nazi one. (The nazi's were evil as hell, but you can't deny they had style)Oerwinde 22:35, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

Well, my good sire, you have truly outdone yourself this time! Personally I like the second versions of each flag. We Romans tended to have more simplistic, less-is-more flags and coats-or-arms; complex flags with four cantons and individual symbols in each canton were Western-machinations. I have to say the second eagle with it's more simplistic and dare I say it, "primitive" lines (primitive in that it has less lines and designs in it and is simply black and doesn't have every feather drawn in as with the Empire's flag) harkens back to Archaic Greece very much so. Also, I have one ever-so-tiny piece of advice for the Empire's flag. Althought the blue looks lovely with the gold, a thousand times cooler than I thought blue-and-gold like that would look, during the Medieval Era, we Greeks did not like being called as such; we called ourselves Romans, and even nowadays when I use the word "Greek" around fellow Greeks I say 'Romaika' which means Roman as in an adjective, and 'Romaios' as in the ethnicity and noun. It wasn't until the more idealistic Westernised thinkers took over was the word 'Eleenas', "Greek" became the standard. So, perhaps the Empire might prefer to use red or purple, or just blue for a different reason now that I think of it; I love the blue too much to see you change it! Again, great work, very great work.
 * Also, I remember you said when Bursa is fireballed into oblivion the Turks release the Balkans because they see it as them going against God; will you be taking that further that perhaps the Turks, or at least the nobility and more powerful in the Empire might convert to Christianity because they see Islam and their attacks on the Balkan-Christians getting them into this mess into the first place? It might be interesting to see the Turks devolve back into nomadism and the heartland and hinterlands of Anatolia inhabited by Orthodox-Christian Turkish-nomads, or Greco-Turkish-Armenian statelets centred around perhaps Cappadocia or Cilicia. Also, I remember you said Aragon is going to reject magic and break from the Western-Roman Catholic Church and in a few centuries be the most technologically advanced nation. Any ideas for their flags? I found a nice online Castillian-to-Aragonese/Aragonese-to-Castillian dictionary awhile back, I can help with translations into Aragonese.

Mr.Xeight 19:57, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Travel (Map Game)
A ruling as to if the Travel (Map Game) violates the future history guidelines would be appreciated, before it descends into squabbling and fighting.

Lordganon 14:35, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Background
Well done.

Lordganon 07:43, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

It actually didn't turn out how I wanted, but its better than what we had. Thanks.Oerwinde 07:49, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Hey thanks
Hey thanks for the second séptima but I am Ed9306 but I'm On My iPhone so I couldn't sign in! Hehehe

Another Flag
I was wondering if you could create a flag for, I would apreciate it if it included this coat of armsVegas adict 19:52, January 6, 2011 (UTC)\

ThanksVegas adict 16:38, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Republic of Alaska Flag
Sorry about that. I was going to delete one of them after I got off of work. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 21:36, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations, Oerwinde
Your image of a Cargo Zeppelin in 1983:Doomsday is the winner of the 2011 Stirling Award for Best Photoshopped Picture of 2010. This award, which you yourself designed, is granted to you for your hard work.

On the matter of the award. As its creator, would you be able to edit it to say 2011 Stirling Awards rather than 2010? Red VS Blue 19:09, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

Map Game Moderator
Are you still moderating the map games? I was wondering if you don't want to do this anymore maybe you could suggest another gamer who would be a good moderator. Mitro 15:26, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer; I'd be happy to help out with the map games. Are you staying on as the main mod for the Map Games? BoredMatt 02:19, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

I see. Would I become a Constable? BoredMatt 02:34, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Libya/Cyrenaica
Will you be expanding Cyrenaica inland in the near future, particularly into the former Libyan oil fields? it just that I was hoping that Egypt, who already has control of eastern parts of former Libya, could try and take the eastern/central inland oil fields in the next couple of years.--Smoggy80 14:46, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

As that area is currently unclaimed by any major country, I don't think that Egypt would think to ask the Greeks for permission to inhabit the area. I think they would think it was there right to take over any unclaimed lands bordering Egypt.--Smoggy80 18:49, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Ok i've added that after talks in early 2011 between Cyrenaica and Egypt, that Egypt will dig the wells and there will be a pipeline to Euesperides the capital city of Cyrenaica, the Governments of both counties will get a cut of the profits, does that sound ok--Smoggy80 19:27, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

I'm thinking of changing the oil pipe destination from Euesperides to a town closer to the oil fields, maybe Ras Lanuf or Brega, it'll cut 350 miles or so out of the pipeline so it'll be finished earlier, all I need is the new greek names for the Libyan towns and i'll change the article to fit--Smoggy80 09:43, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Niger
I've written a page on the former country of Niger, have a look, I was thinking as Niger doesn't exist as a country anymore, Nigeria could take over much of the south of the country, as it's fairly good farmland. See what you think--Smoggy80 15:42, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

Sundered Veil
Hey Oer I wanted to stop by and talk about your timeline Sundered Veil. I usually don't go for AH/fantasy hybrids since I find them to be ridiculous, but I like where you are taking this TL. I have few questions though about the TL that I hope you can answer:


 * Have you thought about OTL people who dabbled in magic at all, like Newtown? I am curious to see how there lives would be different in this alternate history.
 * You mention zombies being in Mexico, but zombies are more of a Haiti creation in OTL, merged with the concept of the European Ghoul by Romero to create the modern day flesh-eating, shambling, undead corpse we have come to know and love. Are the zombies in Sundered Veil more akin to contemporary zombies or the Haiti zombies of myth?
 * What is the status of women in Sundered Veil? Considering Joan of Arc's position in France and the fact that a female mage can be just as powerful, if not more so than their male counterparts, could we see the women lib movement happen earlier?
 * You mention other humanoids, what other magically mutated humans are you planning? (Please see below where this train of thought continues)
 * You mention aether, isn't that the substance that people of the Victorian era believed the cosmos was made of (also I think Lovecraft used that term as well, but I need to go through my library again) and could be traveled through? Will this affect space exploration in Sundered Veil?
 * Correct me if I am wrong, but I swear I read somewhere in the TL that Brazil is the largest country in the world. Is this true? If yes, what happened to China and Russia?

I would also like to ask for permission to contribute to the TL, here are some ideas:
 * Elf (Sundred Veil) - So far it appears that magical humanoids are created either by accident use of magic (such as the Ogres) or the intentional experiments of a mage on a non-magical human being. I see elves however as coming about as the magical experiments by mages done on themselves. They would be trying to find immortality, but also trying to create the perfect human being. A lot like High Elves, they would be physically beautiful and have enhanced senses, strength and speed. They might cause problems with the rest of humanity with their ideas of superiority.
 * Barcelonian Catholics (Sundered Veil) - Despite the fact that you suggest this group loses power shortly after the civil war in Spain, I dont think they would go away forever. Look at the Seventh Day Adventist chuch, twice their leaders predicted the end of the world and twice they were wrong, and yet they still are active. Likely they would be only active in Spain and their former possessions, but they might have converts in any place that felt oppression by mages. I see them as a cross between fundamentalist Catholics and the religious Harry Potter haters.

Mitro 15:20, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Lets see if I can answer this..


 * I haven't really thought about OTL people who dabbled in magic other than my original POD trying to find some sort of british occultists, which led me to John of Nottingham. I'll have to look in to it though.


 * The zombies in Mexico are mostly just animated corpses. Not so much the flesh eating modern zombies, they're mostly used as Mexico's slave labour and to a lesser degree soldiers. They would have gotten their name from the Haitian voodoo zombies though, being mindless.


 * France will definitely be ahead of the game in terms of Women's rights because of Joan of Arc, and France will be the first country to allow women in their military. I even have a sub-order of the Order of Charlemagne(French Paladin order) called the Order of Joan that will be formed later that is exclusive to women. But if one nation accepts it it will obviously spread.


 * The major humanoids I had planned were mostly just Ogres and Werewolves, Werewolves being the result of a Greek and British duo trying to duplicate the native american animal shapeshifting ability. Which obviously goes wrong. I was bandying about the idea of Vampires in Romania, but wasn't sure.


 * I don't think I mentioned Brazil being biggest. The Russian Empire still exists and China exists as the Dragon Empire, still ruled by the Ming dynasty who's head of house is able to transform into a dragon.


 * Barcelonan catholics are still the dominant in Aragon, which due to their anti-magic stance has become the worlds most technologically advanced nation. They still would have a large presence in Spain and their former holdings, but would also be present in other nations. Nations that fully embraced magic such as Britain the Hanseatic Republic, and the Nordic countries would likely have the smallest number of adherents though.


 * If Elves do exist I would want them to be an extreme minority, I was trying not to have too many fantasy cliches. But their origin that you came up with does seem plausible. There would likely be several races that came about from similar origin. Vampires could be another result of the same experiments.Oerwinde 00:12, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * As an aside too, if they did exist, the pre-tolkien view of elves would likely exist, so the tolkienesque elves described would more likely be described as Fae/Fey, or Fair folk or something like that. Or a name derived from the local term of the first one transformed.Oerwinde 05:14, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry it took so long to respond, real life has been strangely hectic. Anyway here are some more questions:
 * How exactly does zombie labor work? Can a farmer dig up grandpa and hire a necromacer to turn him into a zombie? Or is it a practice reserved only for condemned criminals?
 * IMHO, stay away from vampires in Romania. Too cliche.
 * I am curious about the Barcelonan Catholics relationship with science. Religion has had as many issues with science as they have had with magic. What happens when Aragon scientists begin researching things that the Catholics would rather them leave alone?

Also, do I have your permission to contribute to the TL with the articles I mentioned above? You will obviously have the final say in what goes in the articles. Also could I expand the Commonwealth of Vinlandian States (Sundered Veil)? I have a lot of ideas for it, but I would need to know more about Charlesiane and the Skraeling Territory). Mitro 17:10, February 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Zombie labour is pretty exclusive to the necromancers, they mostly were used for large scale construction like roads and such, but with more technologically advanced stuff their use is starting to get phased out.


 * I was originally going with Vampires in Romania because the concept of magic being that when it was first released it was shaped by belief, with some folklore becoming real and such, before finally solidifying into solid rules of magic and such. Hence Greece having werewolves. But if the origin of Vampires is due to self experimentation, they could originate anywhere.


 * Well, the way I see it is they would begin to fall behind due to lack of access to magical conveniences. No earth mages to aid in fertilizing fields, water mages for drouts. No wind mages on ships to aid in conveyance, no clergy able to heal. Since faith abilities in this world for the christian church means those people are pure and such, the Barcelonan church would actually have a lot more corrupt officials than the Avignon catholic church. So corrupt officials plus need. You could almost look at it like in the HIs Dark Materials series with the church taking over research and having like "Theoretical Theology" or something. Anyway, eventually they would have to come up with ways to counter the magical nations just to stay competative. The church would turn a blind eye to some because if the people can't stay competative, they can't pay their tithes and such.

I made the map of the Ten colonies from this, So Skraeling Territy is just territory mostly inhabited by natives, the Norse being the first to colonize america so they got their name from the old tales of Vinland and its inhabitants. Charlesiane is pretty much just the French, with no Canada, focused more on louisiana colonization, only named after Charlemagne rather than King Louis. Its one of the areas I put the least thought into other than I wanted a large French nation in North America. The French colonies ATL were designated as Duchies in the mid 1600s, and the Duke of Charlesiane began using some of the revenues from the plantations in the south to increase French immigration to populate the interior where there was fertile farmland. Slavery mostly used the native Skraeling population, making the modern population of Charlesiane as mostly French or Metis, with some larger black populations in OTL florida. I'm thinking the North-South split that the US suffered due to slavery would more likely happen in Charlesiane, but due to its status as a unitary Duchy, rather than a federation, it would happen much differently.Oerwinde 18:25, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Talk on Map Games
Hi. Thanks for helping improve my map game's quality. I wanted to discuss what's your policy on talk on map game timelines. I totally agree that they are unappealing and should be taken off but:
 * 1) some players don't seem to understand the concept of talk pages, or are too busy to check them.
 * 2) they make quick reference easier.

So I was wondering what your stance is on those. It's pretty clear they need to be removed eventually, but are you going to keep on doing it or should I take it into my own hands? If so, then what guidelines do you have? Thanks for your concern. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 05:36, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Okay that seems fair. I guess I'll try to take up the job to save you trouble. Is e-mail the default setting? As long as I can remember, I receive e-mails like once a week, but I'm pretty good about checking my Watchlist. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 06:18, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. I was wondering about your position on current map games. Perhaps the only reason PM has survived this long is because I spoonfeed the maps and most of the time I make the first move for each turn. Would you happen to have any advice in regard to that? Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 06:29, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Macau
Sorry to bother you, but I reevaluated my map based on your proposal. My idea is in orange and the rough border you suggested is in green. You may notice the "tail" on the top is Luoding. I traced out a map based on administration and linguistics and found I had created a small tail. That could me explained by the 2009 floods, where Macau would have sent relief and eventually annexed it. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 03:48, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Looks goodOerwinde 07:01, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Civil War (Map Game)
Okay, this map game is driving me up a wall for numerous reasons, all of which I think can be fixed:

1. France and Britain in OTL declared neutrality in the war. In this map game, they both decide to help the CSA IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WAR.

2. The leader of the CSA is being implausible. For example, he said he retook all of Virginia, captured DC, took the Arizona territory, and captured all of Deleware. He also tried sparking riots in the USA. He also deletes my posts if he gets mad and started another turn early. He obviously hasn't played many (if any) map games before this one.

Could you please help me out? CrimsonAssassin 21:01, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Wheat Republics
I have an idea which would be an interesting topic to explore for Doomsday, but it's kind of major so I thought I would check with an admin first. If there is any resource missing from the Doomsday world it is wheat. Check out this link here. You will see a trend for Latin American countries, because wheat is a staple of Latin American cooking. So my idea is that Latin American countries begin wanting to find an alternate source of wheat than the Nordic Union, which is probably the only post-DD country with a significant wheat surplus. Yeah, I know they can survive on rice and quinoa, but the someone is going to get hungry for spaghetti and bread eventually.

So here is my plan. Countries who are high on the wheat per capita chart, in order to stay competitive within SAC, will go out and search for an alternate source of wheat. They might set up a trading post in fertile areas such as Shandong or France. They will find some inhabitants and start having them grow wheat and exporting them to Latin America. The inhabitants, naturally, would rather work for a foreign country who feeds them than starve without supplies from cities, so the Latin Americans would be able to exploit the natives. Naturally, natives of Latin America would be told they are bringing aid to disadvantaged countries.

This shouldn't interfere with canon. These colonies would be in areas distanced from population centres, because all they need is a harbour and a few hungry individuals. Possible players would be Venezuela, Peru, Cuba, Paraguay, Bolivia, Brazil, Ecuador and maybe Taiwan, the Philippines, or Colombia (I'll probably pick three or four). Mexico would only need to go slightly north for wheat, so they would be out of this. Middle Eastern Countries, for the most part, are unable due to lack of oil revenue to carry this out. And I'll stress this will be a relatively recent phenomenon, after around 2003, because it springs solely from competition between SAC nations and Cuba. Thanks for your time and let me know what you think! Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 03:29, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

User rights requests
Well, I suppose this falls on you now that you're the brass now, lol. Ownerzmcown's nomination for Constable has now passed two weeks without dissent, and needs to be dealt with. Just lemme know when you do it and I'll deal with the rest of the paperwork, lol. Lordganon 06:21, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Much obliged for promoing him. I'm not too worried about the brass thing, the only thing me and the other Lieus can't do is promos, and that's not too much of an issue. Just nominate me a couple weeks before the 10th of May, if you feel like I can do it. Lordganon 00:01, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Paperwork done. Fed's nomination will be over later tonight, successfully, so if you could take care of that as well I'd appreciate it. Lordganon 17:32, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Photoshop
Hey man! Lordganon mentioned to me that you're the guy to talk to about Photoshopping pictures...?

KingSweden 06:48, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Survival of Doomsday
I assume you're the person to ask regarding Doomsday logistics. I was wondering what is the allowance on having obscure people in plausible situations where they survive. The specific person is Patrick Yu, where he retired in 1983, living in Hong Kong. His residence is undetermined, but it is likely that he lived on Hong Kong Island within a tiny radius of Hong Kong's government buildings, which would have him dead. Also, he kept his practce at Ice House Street 9 until 1987, and that was across the street from Hong Kong's government buildings. However, there is a good chance he was on vacation so shortly after retiring. He described his retirement as "happy and idle" in the introduction to one of his autobiographies, so this implies he was not travelling he world constantly. If he were to take a vacation then, it would be to a nearby location, namely Lantau Island. My proposal is that he was vacationing on Lantau Island (where he would have survived) for a couple weeks shortly after retiring. I have very little information on his personal life, but I do know he is married and has at least three children. Is it allowable that he survives in this manner or is not allowable? Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:50, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Fed
The request for user rights done for him, for the position of Constable, has nine gone the two weeks with him passing. So, if you could promote him..... I'll do the paperwork again, lol.

The 26th, fyi, will be 2 weeks before I've been here a year, so you can do a nomination anytime after that.

Lordganon 09:11, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

Responsibilities to the TSPTF
Hey Oerwinde, I guess your the guy to talk to about this...

I have been busy with school, and now life and such, and I personally don't feel like I can continue to hold the responsibilities of lieutenant of the TSPTF.

I have had little time to allow myself to help with the Wikia as much as I should to continue to justify holding this post. I don't think I can use my judgement having been away for nearly three months now, where many things have happened (such as Mitro resigning, which I was shocked to only just found out).

I was pleased to receive this post, but I don't know if I can continue to hold it without doing anything. I will be the first to admit I'm not a great judge. I can't really balance out decisions and that, so it is difficult for me to be asked to figure out if stuff is up to speed.

I would like to remain a lieutenant, but I don't know what I can do to remain one. If you have any ideas, that would be great, but I don't want to be the "special" guy. I just want to see if their is something I could do, giving my time constraints at the the moment, but also later maybe stepping back up to the plate when I finally have the time to do so.

Any advice at the moment would be appreciated. Don't consider this a resignation, yet.

Thank you. Tbguy1992 01:49, May 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, thank you for the advice.


 * Another thing, not associated with the TSPTF I was wondering about was archiving. My Talk page is too large at the moment, and I would like to move the old conversations to an archive. How do you do that? Thanks!


 * Tbguy1992 17:49, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

Greek Monarch
I've left a list of candidates I've dredged up, etc. and my opinion on the winner of said election on the Greece talk page. Xeight's commented as well on the matter. Could I get your opinion, please? Lordganon 08:33, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

Wiki
I have made a new wiki, and I'm wondering how we can change options on it, such as talk pages instead of comments. Thanks! PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 19:19, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

I unfortunately have no idea. You'll probably have to check the wiki help or the special pages.Oerwinde 21:31, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

Promo
Thanks. I actually like the title, though I'll probably change the language from French so that no one assumes I can understand it, lol. Heard back from Xeight too, btw, and he can live with the Egyptian. Lordganon 07:43, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, ran German through it and it looked a touch like that to me too. Will have a look, but won't be shocked if there's nothing else I like, lol. Lordganon 07:49, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Heh. Liked what the Bulgarian version was, changed it to that. Means the same thing, mind. =) Lordganon 01:43, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

Greek King Election
Left this on the Greece page, more or less, too.

Xeight can tolerate the Kemetian. So, in that light....

Thoughts on a regal name, and house name?

The Cypriot in second, Carl Johan in third, and a Hellene in fourth. I'll think about them past that. All of the candidates, and the potential claimants, will all receive noble titles as well. Thoughts on those too?

Either the Greece page or my talk page are fine to leave any answers.

Lordganon 09:28, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Provisional Canada
What makes you think that you can just waltz right in and steal part of Manitoba? The Assiniboians, as the successor to Manitoba, have a much more legitimate claim than your wannabe Canada. And, for your information, Athabasca's reunification with Provisional Canada is as likely as their reunification with the real Canada. They, like Assiniboia, aren't going to sacrifice any of their independence to anyone.

Yank 00:15, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Really don't know why he though he could do that, Oer. I think I fixed the part that he had issue with, mind. Reversed him too. Lordganon 00:41, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Yank is rather unreasonable and unrealistic with his articles, but his passion makes him valuable. Yank, Canada has a much stronger claim to manitoba, as Manitoba's territory is granted by the Canadian federal government. As ProCan's ultimate aim is to rejoin Canada, they have a stronger claim than the Separatist Assiniboia. Since the north is mostly uninhabited, no one can really argue. ProCan also needs this territory in order to establish a link with eastern Canada. Since Assiniboia doesn't control the area yet, they can make a stink but not do much.

Athabasca's reunification with Canada isn't likely I agree, but only because you say so and no real logical reasons. Thats not going to stop Alberta from trying. Assiniboia has a reason for not rejoining Canada as it has American people and territory now, which pull it away from reunification similar to Victoria.Oerwinde 01:00, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Greek Monarchy
So you notice, lol. This was more or less posted on the article talk page too.

Would it be an Emperor, or a King? Never decided.

Given that it is a Federation, the idea of it being "King" just doesn't make any sense. Especially in light of the Despots. As such, I prefer "Emperor" myself. 've got the impression that Xeight would prefer it too.

Which would you prefer?

Lordganon 14:42, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

Removing some of my pages
Hi, I was wondering if I could have all of the pages in the category "The Ocean World" removed from the Wiki, along with all of the pictures I've uploaded associated with these (there are only two). These stories barely count as alternate history in the first place. Thank you for doing this. Dr. Malpractice 18:49, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Coat of Arms
Hello, are you by any chance good at creating a Coat of Arms?

I wanted to create one for the Macao-Shanghai Republic similar to here, just taking out the stars and replacing it on the top with 澳門 - 上海共和國 and on the bottom, have it say "Macau - Shanghai", but I'm not any good at trying to make it curve like it is on the image. Do you think you could do it please? 9 もりや すわこ 18:58, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Victorian Hockey League
Don't know if you've noticed or not when I've referred to it, but I've built up a database of team names - and actually, hockey players that would have survived DD too now as well - that were used prior to 1983 in several sports, hockey among them. I've also noticed that the sports section of Victoria refers to "expansion and reorganization is imminent," and that has been the case for a while, which makes sense since you've said in the past that you've been a touch busy. The size of my lists would probably surprise you, lol.

I suppose what I'm getting at is could I fiddle with the team names a bit, like I've done with the NAU, Superior, and Canada articles, and maybe take care of the expansion and reorganization for you? Note that any changes would be subject to your approval in the end, and that I'd tell you everything that I do. Lordganon 06:18, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Name Changes:


 * Victoria Grizzlies -> Victoria Cougars: WHL team in Victoria 1971-1994, BCHL team 1967-1971, PCHL team 1949-1961, and the last name used for the PCHA team, 1922-1926.
 * Powell River Kings -> Powell River Regals: Senior Team in Powell River has been called "Regals" since 1957.
 * Campbell River Eagles -> Campbell River Tyees: Junior team that started in the Vancouver Island Hockey League in 1976. I've seen references to it existing today in different leagues too. Has its roots in the Campbell River Tyee Club, a group dedicated to worries about over-fishing of area salmon in the 1920s.

Added Teams:


 * Kitimat Totems, 2006. Original, name in my records comes from the old Seattle Totems from the first WHL, but makes sense given the area. Also was used in Comox for at least the 1966-1967 season, and likely for other more amateur and junior teams too.
 * Port Hardy Eagles, 2006. Name comes from the Tri-Port Eagles, a team that once played in Port Hardy in the Vancouver Island Hockey League from 1977 until it was disbanded (date unknown).
 * Parksville Breakers, 2008. Named for the Oceanside Breakers, a team at Parksville in the Vancouver Island Hockey League from 1969 onwards. Also the name of a WHL team in Seattle from 1977-1985.
 * Sooke Thunderbirds, 2008. Named for the Sooke Thunderbirds, a team at Sooke in the Vancouver Island Hockey League from 1970 onwards,
 * Sidney Flyers, 2010: Right next to Victoria International Airport, the name makes some sense. In my records, it originates from a team in Abbotsford, the Abbotsford Flyers.
 * Olympia Stars, 2010: Not really much connection here. Just sounds good, really. Name originates in my records with the Seattle Stars, a PCHL team for the 1944-1945 season.
 * Aberdeen Lumbermen, 2011: Name makes sense, given the main industry of the area. Couldn't find a name in my hockey stuff for the state or Oregon or BC that made sense/sounded right, so I went to the baseball records I have. Name originates with the Grays Harbor Lumbermen, who used name during the 1906 season of play in the Northwestern League.
 * Kelowna Packers, 2011: Famous Senior team name in Kelowna for a number of years that won the first series in the USSR by a western team, used 1949-1960. Was resurrected in 1985 for the new BCHL team. Not the newest, but the newest ones, the Buckaroos/Wings, were bad teams with little support.
 * Merrit Centennials, 2011: Used for their BCHL team from 1973 to 1985.
 * Osoyoos Sting, 2011: Honestly, was the only name I could think of that sounded reasonable. Got to be something better, but can't think of anything right now.
 * Pendicton Vees, 2011: Name is long-standing in Pendicton. Name of both junior and senior teams for a number of years, relates to the local industries, and was the name of a Pendicton team that beat the Soviets for the gold at the 1955 WHC.
 * Summerland Suns, 2011: Only name ever used here was "Buckeroos," which never made sense, and only started in the 1983-1984 season. "Suns" was used for the Delta Suns, a team in the Vancouver Metro, as well as a junior football team in Kelowna. Sounds good, here.
 * Vernon Vikings, 2011: Used for their BCHL team from 1973-1979. Not the last team name they used, but "Lakers" and "Rockets" really don't sound good at all, imo. Something military would likely work well too, their Cadet group is one of the oldest in the country.

Some are very good, with a ton of ground and basis to them, others not so much.

Added a League Head:


 * David Andrews: Was the Head Coach and Director of Hockey Operations of the WHL Cougars from 1982-1984, after having been an assistant before that. Afterwards in otl, he coached the national team on several occasions, and helped them prepare for the 1988 Games. AHL GM from 1987-1994 for the Oiler farm teams, winning awards for best GM. Became AHL President in 1994, which he still holds today.

And, a new divisional Structure - Conferences remain the same, though some teams move from Mainland to Island and vice-versa. But, North/South Divisions are added to Island, and Okanagan/Washington Divisions added to Mainland.

Also made Campbell River the Champion for the 2010-2011 Season.

Slipped in a small paragraph about Rugby, too. Victoria itself had 4 clubs at Doomsday, so I figure it makes a ton of sense. Added the four to the article. Hope that's ok. Feel free to feed me more names, if you want new clubs added, and I'll add them for you. I'll also mesh this and the sports by country if approved, though I did move the stuff from there to the Victoria article too.

Let me know what you think overall, and any ideas for team names. The Sidney, Olympia, Aberdeen, Summerland, and Vernon ones could use a different one, and the Osoyoos team really needs a better one, lol.

Lordganon 03:39, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

I think I'll replace the Sidney Flyers with the Saanich Braves, as its a larger municipality and the Braves have been around for like 40 years. Really they should have been part of this from the start. Osoyoos could be the Lakers, or possibly the Anarchists, named for local landmarks. Olympia could be the Titans as well, drawing on the Greek origins of the name of the city. The rest sound fine to me.

Where I'm from on Vancouver Island, Rugby is pretty much the major team sport in high schools, so it picking up as a major pro sport would make sense. IMO its much more entertaining than soccer.Oerwinde 05:38, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Makes sense. Was wondering the same thing myself, actually, but figured them not being there was on purpose for some reason and let it be.

After thinking about it, the Osoyoos name there already makes sense. Sounds right, and "Sting" can refer to the Scorpions in the area, one of the only ones in Canada where you can find them. With how "Osoyoos" is pronounced, neither Lakers nor Anarchists sounds... right, either, though they'd be good names besides.

Titans works about as well, I think. Will change that, if you'd like.

Agreed on the rugby.

Lordganon 09:50, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Recent Vandalism
Oh, I've no doubt there is. But, I don't think it's a good idea. Guy will have to stop eventually - they will run out of IPs to use. Not that I know where that option is anyways, lol. Lordganon 06:23, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Don't agree. It restricts new editors, and quite honestly, I can say with experience that it makes the problem worse much of the time. Users that do vandalism like this are much harder to stop than anons. Anons, when the IPs are all banned, are gone. Users, however, can get registered in advance with multiple e-mails, and by the dozen. Had the same problem on a gaming forum I used to mod and admin a couple years back, and that was the result. Better to just block the IPs, and be done with it for sure.

Don't get how you guys have that problem so often. Never happens to me, lol.

Lordganon 06:58, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for looking out for me, Oerwinde. This/these vandal(s) are getting to be a headache. I hope you blocked every IP he or they have used. I guess LG is right, he'll get over it. But it certainly is not a laughing matter. I wonder how he or they pick their victims? Admins only, or what? SouthWriter 19:15, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

It seems random. They even created a new page with the same content they're blanking stuff with. So far I think yours and LG's talk pages have been hit, but a bunch of pages and articles with no association to admins have been hit as well.Oerwinde 19:23, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Random at first, and the articles will stay that way, probably. But, as they get an idea of who the admins are, they'll start after us, more likely than not. Don't get why they went after you like that off the bat, mind, South. Just block and revert until they go away. Lordganon 21:44, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

You can also protect your talk page so that new users and anonymous can't edit it.Oerwinde 00:21, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Wait a second, what edit? Imperium Guy 11:42, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

Another Coat of Arms
Hello again, could you replace the French words with "正義，和平，工作" in this Coat of Arms, please? I'd like the 正義 be placed left, 工作 be placed on the right, and 和平 on the bottom.

Thanks. 9 もりや すわこ 11:18, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Map Games
Know any good Map Games I can join? Most of them seem to be defunct/abandoned... Thanks, Sevestron 21:09, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

West Poland
Yank seems to have gotten the idea in his head that he can just take over articles at random now. He's trying to do this to your West Poland article because in his mind, it is "not finished." Violating at least two of our rules in the process, may I add.

I've put the page under protection for now, so he does not mess with it.

Lordganon 15:00, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

I piped in on the talk page. I really don't mind if people add to my articles, a good third of Prussia was added by someone else. Really I think how article "ownership" on here should work is while anyone can edit it, the article's creator has final say on any changes and can edit any additions without permission of the secondary editor.Oerwinde 16:43, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, if he'd have just added to it, there'd really be no issue, except that he really should have said something. But he actually went and told the world on the talk page that he was "adopting" it, out of the blue. That violates not only courtesy and decency, but also our rules in a few ways. Heck, you wouldn't know at all if I hadn't said anything. That crosses a definite line.

Lordganon 21:34, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I'm subscribed to the page so I was notified that the talk page was edited. But you're right, he needs to follow protocol when adopting a page.Oerwinde 17:05, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

Greece
I'm looking at filling in the Culture and Economy sections, and finishing off the military section, over the next couple weeks. Wanted to see if you had any thoughts before I got going.

Also, would it be all right if I put some details in/updated the member articles you wrote?

Lordganon 21:55, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

 Lordganon 12:35, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, yeah, go for it for adding details to the stuff I wrote. As for other thoughts, maybe in culture we could see a resurgence in the classical arts, stonecarving and such. As part of the reconstruction efforts? New government buildings having a mix of classical stonework and byzantine mosaicwork. I know Mr X wanted more Byzantine influence, but I'm a huge fan of the classical period and would like to see some of it come back.

Economy, I know OTL greece has the largest merchant fleet in the world, maybe they maintained a part of that and are a major shipping power in the mediterranean and maybe beyond.Oerwinde 18:21, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

A combination of Byzantine and Classical, then. Sounds good to me.

Merchant-wise, that's more or less the case already written into a few articles. Good to hear =)

Lordganon 08:20, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Coronation, etc. will go up sometime in the next day or so. Realized, however, that we still have no regal name/house name down pat, lol.

What would your preferences be? Maybe a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd choice for each?

Lordganon 06:09, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

Really should have added "after I hear from you" sometime after "next day or so," lol

Call this a reminder ^^

Lordganon 15:02, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, inventory week at work so I haven't even really been on the computer much. I thought maybe Constantine as a regnal name. I like Justinian as well, one of the great Byzantine emperors, but unlike Constantine or say Andronikos, not a lot of rulers had the same name.

No idea for a house name.Oerwinde 16:30, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

No worries, Oer.

Well, when I asked Owner for suggestions, he suggested some part of the designate's name for the house name. Bahaa or Akkad. I've also been thinking, that since he has connections to Giza, maybe that, or a link to the Pyramids somehow, like using Cheops/Khufu, would be a possibility too.

Of the names that have been used before, Constantine - and Paul - are the ones ahead in my thinking. But, I'm more of a mind, myself, that a new one would be better - kind of like the new state, new philosophy, multi-cultural thing going on. My little list of these, at the moment, is: Gregory, Nicholas, Julius, Mark, Cyril, Joseph, Gabriel, Timothy, Theodore, Luke, and Stephen. And Constantine and Paul, obviously. Cyril, Paul, and Nicholas are the ones I'm leaning towards myself, but there's an obvious reason why I'm asking, lol.

Justinian was indeed a great emperor, but..... there's a lot of issues that most don't know from his reign, especially to do with the version of the Copts that existed during his reign. And Justinian II - no relation - was... not pleasant. As a Copt, or, shall we say, "Coptish," I really doubt it would fly.

Lordganon 04:39, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Lordganon 01:44, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I actually had a partial response a while back but never published it...

If you go with one of the 3 new names, I would maybe go with a greek form of Nicholas. Nikolaus or something. And yeah I agree some of his name should be incorporated. Realistically I don't see why a Regnal name is necessary. Its a new monarchy so there aren't any traditions to follow. Keep Bahaa or whatever his first name is for his name, and establish a new royal house with some sort of greek name.Oerwinde 19:22, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

No worries lol

Yes, a Greek form, no question. I have these things written down, too.

Well, in many monarchies - the Brits are an exception - they take a new name upon taking the throne. Not only that, but he's also converting. And, with conversions, it's pretty common to get a new name. Add to that that we're having a spirit of compromise, etc. and have to not offend sensibilities.

So.... Nicholas (with Greek forms, among other languages, obviously) for the regal name, and Bahaa for the House? Would that be all right with you?

Lordganon 15:15, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

DundeeChronicler
That was actually for removing the warning, and the original offense, though that rant didn't help his cause. Lordganon 08:50, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

I didn't see that he did anything wrong. He edited an article that said open for adoption, which is freely editable by anyone, and kept the existing material intact. Oerwinde 09:06, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

OfA timelines are still under the rules, and not randomly editable. He did not adopt it, either. But that's besides the point, since he did it to several other articles in which he definitely did not have permission, as well. Lordganon 09:10, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

OfA timelines are abandoned by their creator and therefore exempt from the need for permission to edit. His other edits were mostly copy editing, which you yourself do quite often. Of any of his edits I only saw one that was gratuitous. Removing the warning doesn't take it away, its his talk page and he can do as he wills with it. I didn't see any bannable offenses, hence the unban. Kunarian on the other hand looked like a twit, though I think maybe a month is a bit much.Oerwinde 09:26, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

Far as I'm concerned, it takes it away. Most will not see it otherwise.

I disagree with you about the OfA timelines. As well as his other edits. But I suppose the three day ban is good enough, though I must ask that in the future you respect my decisions about blocks and not reverse them because you disagree with me. I don't want to start arguing with you like South always seems to want to.

Kun's started as a week. His actions after the fact changed that.

Lordganon 09:40, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

Well the template for OfA clearly states "Feel free to adopt and expand" that right there is permission to expand it IMO, and he respected the established content, so he broke no rules.

Warnings aren't for others to see, its for the person you're warning, but I understand your objection. As for respecting your decisions, I will not reverse your decisions, but I might bring it up if I think the ban is unfair as in this case.Oerwinde 09:53, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

That's all I ask.

Lordganon 12:34, October 19, 2011 (UTC)