Talk:Emancipation (Map Game)

=Resources=

Focuses and Ideas
Please place your nation's focuses and ideas here. Only choose from the ideas, focuses and ideologies available on the Rules page, and do not create your own.

War algorithm requests
ATTENTION: If you believe that you have enough experience, you may skip this step and create the war algorithm yourself. Ensure that you follow all algorithm rules. The mods will then check your algorithm and approve it if they deem it accurate. Thank you.

Please format your requests like so:

==Name of conflict==

*Year start

*Belligerents

**Attacker

***Troop numbers

**Defender

***Troop numbers

*Reason for war

*Players of belligerents

**Username

***Edit count

**Username

***Edit count

Chilean occupation of Araucania
Chile attack on Araucania and Patagonia. I though they would stop after the recovered Araucania, but if you say they continue in Argentine territories (aka Patagonia), I'm not gonna say the contrary. Zamarak500 (talk) 21:12, March 24, 2016 (UTC)

Hawaiian Invasion of Tahiti
My nation's (Hawaii's) invasion of the Kingdom of Tahiti. I have sent in 1,600 troops into Tahiti, in a surprise attack. --Orangebird "SPACESHIP!" --Benny in the Lego Movie (→My wall!←) 04:23, March 25, 2016 (UTC)


 * 1861.5
 * Kingdom of Hawaii vs Kingdom of Tahiti
 * Attacker: Hawaii
 * 1,600 troops
 * Defender: Tahiti
 * ??? troops (NPC nation)
 * Similar culture, but annexing nation
 * Players: Orangebird763 for Hawaii; NPC for Tahiti
 * Orangebird763
 * 467 edits
 * NPC
 * 500 edits

Second year
 * 1862
 * Kingdom of Hawaii vs Kingdom of Tahiti
 * Attacker: Hawaii
 * 2,200 troops
 * Defender: Tahiti
 * ??? troops (NPC nation)
 * Similar culture, but annexing nation
 * Players: Orangebird763 for Hawaii; NPC for Tahiti
 * Orangebird763
 * 478 edits
 * NPC
 * 500 edits

Ottoman Invasion of Macedonia
My nation is invading the Ottoman Empire at the moment. I've sent approx 100,000 men to defeat the nation once and for all! [[User:Awesome history 28]|Awesome history 28]

Toucouleur empire Invasion of Massina
The Toucouleur empire is invading Massina and sent 35,000 experienced and 30,000 inexperienced troops in a surprise jihad against them. Thisismacedon (talk) 14:06, March 25, 2016 (UTC) 
 * 1862
 * Toucouleur empire vs Massina
 * Attacker:  Toucouleur empire-65,000
 *  Defender: Massina- 10,000
 *  Taking territory of similar culture
 *  Players: Toucouleur Empire Thisismacedon (talk) 20:19, March 26, 2016 (UTC), Massina- NPC
 * Thisismacedon ( talk ) 20:19, March 26, 2016 (UTC) - 336, 500  - NPC
 * Side note. In OTL the Toucouleur Empire conquered Massina in 3 months in 1862

Russian Conquest of Kokand
The Russian Empire (with an army of 800,000, probably about 200,000 involved) is invading Kokand in a surprise attack. The motivation is to promote our hegemony, and it began in 1861.5. In my turn, I assumed the Kokandi forces fled to their capital city and we are currently beseiging said city. Edit count found on User Page. 23:42, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

Toucouleur Empire Invasion Of Massina
=General Discussion=

Mod Applications
Please structure your application like so:

* Signature (Use 4 tildes ~ )

** Modding experience (list games modded before);

* Date Joined;

** Edit count;

* Preferred post;

* A few words justifying why you should be on the moderating team for this game.

For example, like this;


 * —  The  Tim   Man  (TSW • AH • MGW • Contribs ) 13:41, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
 * New World
 * 15 July 2013
 * 905
 * Plausibility moderator
 * I would like to become a moderator for Emancipation because I believe I will be able to assist in the creation of moderator events, the enforcement of plausibility and the creation of maps. I strongly believe that I possess the abilities to thoroughly research for events and to determine the plausibility of players' actions, and am able to create a positive and workable environment in which players can participate in this game.

After careful consideration, I have unfortunately chosen to reject your application. I apologise, and hope that my decision will not retract from your enthusiasm. Please keep in mind that you may reapply in the future if you so wish. Thank you for applying, and I hope to see you in-game! —  The  Tim   Man  (TSW • AH • MGW • Contribs ) 06:52, March 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * — Triumph is at hand (talk) 14:13, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
 * 5 February 2015
 * 723
 * Event/Plausibility moderator
 * I want to become a moderator for this map game to be able to create mod events and enforce strict plausibility. I think that can research for events and determine the plausibility of players' actions, and to assist at the creation of a good environment in which players can play in this game. While i also believe that mods should not be able to mod their nation's areas of interest/influence, like other games i have participated in.


 * — Through Stars We Rise. (Welcome to the Universe). 14:46, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
 * November 23, 2015

Accepted! Welcome to the team. —  The  Tim   Man  (TSW • AH • MGW • Contribs ) 01:29, March 13, 2016 (UTC)
 * ​364
 * Technology/Plausibility Moderator
 * I would honestly like to be Technology/Plausibility moderator to enforce strict plausibility not just in the game's events or in the ability of the playes to influence events in history but also technological progress. My scientific expertise and my knowledge of technological innovations can help with this (despite the failed technology-related timelines). Great. >:( Oh well. That aside, I wanted to actually do this because I want to be dedicated to something that is not in my own works. And for once, actually do something interesting. :P


 * 23:31, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
 * 95T, Zeitgeist, Alternate Nations 3, Second Age of Imperialism (never started)
 * March 19, 2013
 * 20,354
 * General Moderator
 * I would like to moderate for plausibility, player response, mod events, and general community affairs. I am extremely active on the wiki, have a track record in map games, and am more than capable to take on the tasks at hand when creating and operating a map game.

Accepted! Welcome to the team. —  The  Tim   Man  (TSW • AH • MGW • Contribs ) 02:14, March 15, 2016 (UTC)


 * OCT
 * 18 March 2013
 * 3,041
 * Event
 * I used to be obsessed with this time period and I love to think of creative events I know the wierdest facts that might have the largest impact. (i.e Confederate Navy, Ironclads, Italian Unification)

Accepted! Welcome to the team. —  The  Tim   Man  (TSW • AH • MGW • Contribs ) 02:14, March 15, 2016 (UTC)

Accepted! Welcome to the team. —  The  Tim   Man  (TSW • AH • MGW • Contribs ) 00:53, March 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * Firesofdoom —
 * February 2015
 * just under 1,800
 * Event/Algo
 * A bit of informal modding
 * I am a relatively plausible player, and I am active on the wiki and in various map games, and am also on the map game committee. I believe I have the capability to make unbiased mod events that will help move the game forward and make it enjoyable, and I known I have the time to do the algos (at least mostly). Anyway, I hope I will be able to join the mod team for this great game.

Accepted! Welcome to the team. —  The  Tim   Man  (TSW • AH • MGW • Contribs ) 15:15, March 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * Awesome history 28
 * 2nd May 2015
 * 1440s
 * Moderator (normal)
 * Im pretty active on the wiki and I've had loads of experience with other map games (founded Battle of Britain and Ancharist America and moderated Atomic World, A Brand New World, The Global War Rebooted, The Imperial Wars II and many more, if you want you could look through my edits to see what I've done). I will try and be the best moderator I can and try my best to be unbiased. PS: I can't be a moderator from the 6th April to the 17th April because I'm going on holiday and I won't have much time.

Accepted! We could use an objective non-player observer mod. Welcome to the team. —  The  Tim   Man  (TSW • AH • MGW • Contribs ) 02:46, March 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * ~لا إله إلا الله † وعيسى ابن الله
 * Dawn of War (Map Game)
 * 28th Dec 2014
 * 1,653
 * Plausibility moderator
 * I follow very closely with map games and have had experience modding a rather popular game a few months ago. I like this map game very much, and want to see it improve over time. That being said, I see places that are majorly in need of an objective observance. Also, this mod team needs to get on the ball with algorithms, etc. I will not be playing in the game, but will act as an objective observor.


 * User:Candiesrgood — There was a candy,  and it said,  "Yo' shit, I'm coming for you, bruh. Oi bitch, g'day, you wanna mate?" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 * None as I know of
 * July 19, 2015
 * 1,157
 * Plausibility moderator
 * I know a fair amount of East Asian history during this period (I assume most moderators specialise on Europe) and I actually back up my claims and statements with links and citations rather than solely relying on background information. I am also unbiased and could provide some insight and information on events relating to the economy and demographics, something I have fairly extensive back knowledge on.

Map Issues
We still need to identify most of the Pacific Islands, and make sense of India/Central Asia. Other than that, the map is pretty well situated for the start of the game, with ANUCS coloring throughout. We will need to color in some nations (esp. in Latin America) as players begin to join. 23:38, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for helping with the map! I really appreciate it. —  The  Tim   Man  (TSW • AH • MGW • Contribs ) 01:29, March 13, 2016 (UTC)
 * Austria gave Italy every Austrian territory that is inhabited by an ethnic Italian majority (Veneto,Trentino, South Tyrol,Friuli,Trieste,not Istria) but not the lands which ethnic Germans inhabited (NOTE most of Trentino is Italian but nowdays South Tyrol-German majority areas still remain an Austrian territory, see ethnological map http://i.imgur.com/mChyBUo.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_and_religious_composition_of_Austria-Hungary#/media/File:Austria_Hungary_ethnic.svg
 * Wrto12 (talk) 14:37, March 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * Wrto12 (talk) 14:37, March 28, 2016 (UTC)


 * Since the treaty with Italy, the Papal States are now limited to a slightly larger Vatican City, and Castel Gandolfo (as well as some extraterritorial buildings). So if the Papal States on the map could shrink to maybe 1 pixel on Rome, that would best reflect the current situation I think. Thanks, Callumthered (talk) 22:59, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Sign-ups
Sign-ups will open on TBD at 00:00 UTC (08:00 AWST; 19:00 EST). Until then, please do not put your name down in the sign-ups list. Thank you! —  The  Tim   Man  (TSW • AH • MGW • <font color="#006400">Contribs ) 01:32, March 13, 2016 (UTC)

Sign-ups open!
ATTENTION: Sign-ups are now open! Place your names down on your wanted nation now! Mind that you follow sign-up regulations. —  The  Tim   Man  (TSW • AH • MGW • <font color="#006400">Contribs ) 00:38, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

Signups cannot be open due to the fact that this game is not approved. <font color=Purple face="Algerian">OCT MARIUS, Hail Marius

Ohh, I see. Okay, sorry. —  The  Tim   Man  (TSW • AH • MGW • <font color="#006400">Contribs ) 23:32, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

Official sign-ups are hereby resumed. Enjoy. 05:31, March 20, 2016 (UTC)

Are Sign-ups Closed?
I know the game has already started but I'm wondering if sign-ups are closed or not, I'm quite interested in the game. - Jeffrey Arenburg (talk) 10:08, March 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * Certainly not! Feel free to join the game any time you wish. —  The  Tim   Man  (TSW • AH • MGW • <font color="#006400">Contribs ) 10:08, March 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * Will do! Thanks. By the way, I would like to play as Persian Empire but I'm not sure about which one it is, could this be the Persian Empire of the game?  Jeffrey Arenburg (talk) 10:15, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you to everyone who's signed up so far, applied for moderator positions and/or otherwise rendered your support for this game. I've put a lot of effort into this, and I'd also like to thank the Map Game Oversight Committee for approving this game and allowing it to proceed. I promise that this game will be of top-notch quality and that I will do my best to ensure it runs its full course. Once again, thank you for your support, and I hope to see you all playing when the game launches on March 24! —  The  Tim   Man  (TSW • AH • MGW • <font color="#006400">Contribs ) 15:19, March 20, 2016 (UTC)

Some issues
Upon looking over the page I decided I'd give you some advice on both the modslist as well as the nations.

First of all, the modslist is weird honestly. Ace, Oct and AH aren't worthy enough of being mods. Fires and Rex are rightfully there. I'd look for people as Scraw or Sky to be mods.

Now, the nations lsit is another big concern. Primarily, Eric being the United States(THIS MAY BE FIXED AFTER POSTED). You may not know Eric, but if you ask around of look into it yourself you'll find that he's just blatantly incompetent. If you let him be the US, the game will die. Another mistake is Spar as China(IMO). A less clear one is Ace, who I'd doubt but might be good enough.

If I were you, my main focuses would be improving your modslist, taking playaers like Eric and Spar away from big nations and attract more reasonable/big players.

<font color="Navy">Hail Sean! (Get a free potato here) 20:20, March 20, 2016 (UTC)

...really? Really? Also, Sean, you really have screwed me over for the last time. KingSparta300 (talk) 00:47, March 21, 2016 (UTC)

Spar, I was polite to you when informing you, and I expect you to be polite on this talk page and/or in-game. I will not tolerate rude behaviour on this talk page. Mutual respect is the watchword here. Do not overstep, Spar — I do not have unlimited patience. This is your first and final warning. —  The  Tim   Man  (TSW • AH • MGW • <font color="#006400">Contribs ) 00:56, March 21, 2016 (UTC)

I agree with Sean, nor Eric neither Spar are worthy of playing superpowers, that will define our map game for years to come. Wrto12 (talk) 20:02, March 21, 2016 (UTC)

I hate complaining but the time has come. I can slightly understand why Britian would intervene in the American Civil War, Pourtugal I can understand due to them being a British ally, Austria, I can sort of cope with that. But Denmark? Forgive me if I am wrong but Danish-American real options were OK in that time and wasn't Denmark the first country to end slavery why would they then support a state who's purpose is to have slaves. Please correct me if I have made any mistakes. Regards TheGreatHistorian500 (talk) 22:57, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

America
Hey. I've noticed no-one is playing as the USA so may I be that player? I do not have 1000 edits but I promise to be plausible. So may I? TheGreatHistorian500 (talk) 21:48, March 24, 2016 (UTC)

For reference, he's been approved but is on probation: one plausibility strike will result in his being removed from the United States. 01:42, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

Posting for Oct
http://prntscr.com/ajx9k1 Oct asked me to post for him Wrto12 (talk) 17:19, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

Algo Request
Seeing as there have been no war algorithms created, I have taken it upon myself to calculate my war algo on my own. I'll try my best to follow the algo, and please notify me of any mistakes.

--Orangebird "SPACESHIP!" --Benny in the Lego Movie (→My wall!←) 04:15, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

Very well, go ahead. —  The  Tim   Man  (TSW • AH • MGW • <font color="#006400">Contribs ) 09:51, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

Conscription in the South
In OTL, when Davis forced a draft of citizens for the army, many states got mad at Davis and threatened secession from the Confederacy, because he was abusing the power of the federal government,which is inferior to state governments. Since in this game, he asked for so many more conscripts than in OTL, there would be even more outrage. For that reason, I was wondering if I could join as Georgia or Texas, both of which had very states' rights governors, and secede from the Confederacy. And yes, this actually was the threat (texas almost did it). -Unsigned comment by Vatonica

I don't have any problem with that, they are a confederacy after all لا إله إلا الله † وعيسى ابن الله  12:46, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

Technologies?
Where should I propose technologies: here on the talk page, or on a tech mod's talk page?

--Orangebird "SPACESHIP!" --Benny in the Lego Movie (→My wall!←) 03:43, March 27, 2016 (UTC)

It is here.

Thisismacedon (talk) 22:10, March 27, 2016 (UTC)

Toucouleur Empire request to move to Tier C
I would request a military tier for Toucouleur Empire upgrade to Tier C since Ethiopia and Rwanda are in tier C and they used riflemen, shotguns and gunpowder related weapons( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Medina_Fort, http://www.afropedea.org/tukulor-empire-segu-tukulor-empire-toucouleur-empire, http://www.africansuccess.org/visuFiche.php%3Fid%3D337) I will also be using tier C military for the war algorithm.

Thisismacedon (talk) 22:54, March 27, 2016 (UTC)

Seriously? I mean if that request is approved Austria and Toucouleur Empire are gonna have the same military tier, SERIOUSLY? Austria was a great power at this time where Toucouleur Empire are just some tribal savages. Wrto12 (talk) 12:14, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Approved. Wrto, you can always request to move up, you know. —  The  Tim   Man  (TSW • AH • MGW • <font color="#006400">Contribs ) 12:15, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

I thought i had requested that already. Nevermind. Wrto12 (talk) 12:22, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Technology Request - Cannon Technology - Orangebird763
I feel that the Kingdm of Hawaii should learn the technology behind cannons, as most of the world has this technology already. Knowledge and extra gunpowder for the tech presumably comes from Australian trade, and after doing some research I found Hawaii had firearms in their military; this leads me to the conclusion that there are metal casting facilities in the kingdom, and that sufficient gunpowder is available, from either OTL trade routes or produced on the islands. Although the kingdom may have been behind in technology, I feel that the secrets of cannon warfare should be discovered and would give a significant advantage over other Pacific nations like Tahiti.

--Orangebird "SPACESHIP!" --Benny in the Lego Movie (→My wall!←) 22:38, March 27, 2016 (UTC)


 * Approved. —  The  Tim   Man  (TSW • AH • MGW • <font color="#006400">Contribs ) 00:42, March 29, 2016 (UTC)

Austria's unfair tier Grade(Request to move to tier grade A or B)
Austria, a great power at this time, has tier grade C military, is in the same tier grade with other nations like Toucouleur Empire, which are a tribe in Africa at this point and one tier grade less than nations like Bavaria and Denmark, therefore i request to move up 2 tiers grades as i originally was, before Person67 change the tiers grades and if this is not accepted for some reason, i request to move up at least one tier grade, after all i did some reforms to the Austrian military, aiming to maximize efficiency and speed up mobilization(Copied in some areas the Prussian army). Wrto12 (talk) 12:28, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

I approve Austria upgrading to Grade B, but it as this time cannot be an A-Grade military, in my opinion. —  The  Tim   Man  (TSW • AH • MGW • <font color="#006400">Contribs ) 13:21, March 28, 2016 (UTC)