Alternative History talk:Map Game Oversight Committee

Page Format

 * All main pages must be titled "Map Game Title (Map Game)"
 * All related pages must be followed by the suffix "(Map Game Title Map Game)"
 * The Main page must include:
 * The Map
 * List of Moderators
 * List of Player and NPC nations
 * General Guidelines that set the bar for the game
 * Turns and/or Archive Links
 * Every turn must be a Level 2 header, designated by the date which the turn takes place
 * The posts of a turn must be either separate paragraphs or bullets, each designated by the nation's name in bold, such as:
 * Nation name: Post
 * Every mod post should be designated by bold and underline
 * All general guidlines must have a designated condition in which the game will end. Once this condition is met, the game must terminate
 * If the map game takes place in an alternate timeline, the divergence and past history beyond the divergence must be explained in a "backstory" section
 * The moderators as a whole must always be present and active in the game, unless there is a holiday announced ahead of time
 * At least one moderator must be either not participating in the game or playing an univolved nation, such as a tribe or third-world nation

Bfox's Comments
Definately a major step in the right direction. A few personal comments: —Bfoxius (talk)
 * 1) We should allow 1 (maximum) ASB map game. Believe it or not, there have been good ASB map games and eliminating ASBdom from map games prevents a lot of the environmental/alternate Earth type map games which, IMO, are a far cry from the Croaked World style random nonesense. By only allowing one ASB map game, it pushes that game to be the best it can be. Alternatively, we could restrict the ASB category itself, banning Random and Biased games, while preserving the rest.
 * 2) As far as users only being allowed to play one game at a time, it kind of defeats the purpose of having more than 2ish map game slots and will lead to the formation of an actual "map game monopoly", where players will be unable to join more than one game, thus preventing the rise of new, popular map games. I think we should just have two map game slots, with no restrictions on the amount you can play, as I think two map games is the maximum that people can play without neglecting their responsibilites in other games. Plus, I find two map games to be the optimal number for diversity, competition, and player counts (see: PMII and NoTLAH days).

Also, what about something like the Presidential Election Game? Even though it doesn't use maps, it still has many of the trappings of a map game and many map games are not map-centric. I honestly think that since it is a game, it should fall under this umbrella.

—Bfoxius (talk)

Maybe we should have a minimum number of non-TSPTF players to say they will play the game, to avoid games getting approved and then dying due to lack of players. And by the way, when you say ASB, ensure everyone knows you mean ASB setting or ASB PoD, not ASB playing. Because I have a feeling saying one ASB game is allowed is giving some people an excuse to start being very unrealistic in their posts. Make sure that is clear. FP ( Hand of the Imp ) 10:00, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

Also good job making this page, it's a step in the right direction. FP ( Hand of the Imp ) 10:01, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

In our "Map game has failed to meet the standards" template, we need to have an area to state the standards that have not been met. Right now, it is extremely unclear, when the template is used, what standards have not been met. We also need to clarify rules for extra-map game resolutions, as there currently are none.

—Bfoxius (talk)

Members
How were members decided? I would argue that there should be more members who often and recently play on map games. Vatonica (talk) 01:51, January 30, 2016 (UTC)

I'd like an answer on this. Vatonica (talk) 19:37, February 6, 2016 (UTC)

I agree honestly. Right now this is pretty much just an extension to the TSPTF, with Firrs as the exception. We should be getting more non-TSPTF members. Hail Sean! (Get a free potato here) 09:29, March 13, 2016 (UTC)

Rules
I agree with the Map Game organisation thing but I think the votes of new map games should be open to all the People on this wiki. Then we'll get more of a variety of map games which the people of the wiki wants, not the TSPTF people want.

Also, why should there be 1 mod which is not a big nation?

Awesome history 28 (talk) 13:25, January 30, 2016 (UTC)

I agree with the entirety of ideas that have been put forth by this organization, except for this one:


 * All related pages must be categorized by:

As I understand wiki guidelines, pages should be categorized into as detailed subdivisions as possible. For that purpose, only generic pages (such as the actual game page, rules page, timeline page, etc) should be posted to the main category. Nation pages should fit into ; wars into, etc.

Keep up the good work! 18:03, February 1, 2016 (UTC)

Questions
I have some questions about the creation of a new map game. First of all, can we create a page for the map game before  making the proposal? Because one of the proposal is just a word document on gmail, so I'm curious about what need to be done before a proposal.

It said that 2 members of the committee are administrators. What about the creator of the map game? What's his statue? Is he an admin or just a moderator on his own map game?

And talking about that. What will be the level of involvement of the admins of the committee. Will they just check it from time to time to see how it go, or will they really participate and involve themselves, helping the creator resolve problems in the Map Game?

Zamarak500 (talk) 15:45, January 30, 2016 (UTC)

The administrators will just act as extra background mods for the game, to oversee it's running. Any questions or issues raised by the players should be aimed at the normal mods and creators. The administrators are also not involved in the running of the game, though they are pleasant people so if you need help then I'm sure they'd be happy to. They can act as players if they wish, though the role of administator does not require it. FP ( Now 10% edgier!!! ) 16:23, January 30, 2016 (UTC)

New players
I think we should set up a section detailing advice for new players, for example: Just a few things to mull over. FP ( Now 10% edgier!!! ) 11:25, February 2, 2016 (UTC)
 * Before joining a game, observe it for several turns, so you can guage the situation, as well as being able to see good examples of a standard post and conduct within the game.
 * Start off with a small nation, and don't be too aggressive earlier on.
 * Encourage new players to get join in, and ask for help if necessary. Because I feel current suggestions such as 'only players with 250+ edits can play' or things like that can be seriously discouraging for new players who maybe don't think they're good enough. Encourage anyone and everyone to join in, and help then become a more competent player, rather than tell them they can't play unless they improve.

Template
Just propose that this template is added on the top of all Map Games pending approval. OCT MARIUS, Hail Marius

disbanding the committee
if the map game committee won't do anything why do we still have it?  Jbwncster   (Talk)   01:29, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

Announcement
Seeing as none of the committee members are doing their job, MP has officially given me permission to take full control of this page. Think of it as a "rex pro tempore" until democracy can be restored. The committee thanks you for your patience. لا إله إلا الله † وعيسى ابن الله  01:17, March 15, 2016 (UTC)

Southern Independence Approved?
Woah. The map game hasn't even gotten off the ground yet. Looks like I'd better sort out those African nations!

--Orangebird "SPACESHIP!" --Benny in the Lego Movie (→My wall!←) 17:34, March 15, 2016 (UTC)

PS With the assumed leadership, reminds me of Rome's provisional dictators. :P

Update
For any news on the map game, please see my user blog. --Orangebird "SPACESHIP!" --Benny in the Lego Movie (→My wall!←) 20:56, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

Emacipication
Hello i want to complain for Tim(head mod of Emacipication) being Tyranical against players of Emacipication, various examples http://prntscr.com/aqgocp http://prntscr.com/aqgpa7 http://prntscr.com/aqgpul http://prntscr.com/aqgpzy http://prntscr.com/aqgq6w http://prntscr.com/aqgqee http://prntscr.com/aqgqhn http://prntscr.com/aqgqli http://prntscr.com/aqgquh http://prntscr.com/aqgqxx http://prntscr.com/aqgr1p. He is blackmailing player that play as small nations via mod events, http://prntscr.com/aqgrof http://prntscr.com/aqgrvm http://prntscr.com/aqgs0m

Example Netherlands is at war with him and i as Austria asked him to use his fleet to incite/support rebellions inside the British Empire, offering the Boers, the French Canadian and the Irish independence at the wars end, his response "Lol that is so implausible. Loyalties in the Empire are stronger than ever. No. A plausibility strike for you."

Also he refuses every mod response i ask for nations to help me against him, cause he attacked me, even though he is modding his own areas of interest. I asked France, Italy and Greece to help me, all of them are my allies and rivals of Britain(Tim nation), he declined every single one of them and Greece has a player, but he decided to do a mod response declining me, anyway. Wrto12 (talk) 12:49, April 10, 2016 (UTC)

I agree. He is using mod events to force nations to backstab Austria, and tried to ban Wrto12 so that he could declare war with no response. No mod should be allowed to play as the most powerful nation, especially one who gives implausibility strikes to those who suggest that nations of his Empire want independence. A poll for him to play as a minor nation has reached 6 votes in less than 5 minutes already on the Eman talk page. -His Imperial Majesty, Emperor Romanus (talk) 12:54, April 10, 2016 (UTC)

I agree.