Talk:Triunfa, España!

Plausibility of the TL?
Given the fact most of the articles are shell articles and the TL isn't well developed yet, it can't be considered plausible. This situation is especially correct with the Finnic nations in Northeastern Europe, the Kingdom of Saxony, and others. Therefore, this are my following plans. NOTE; this are ideas for the TL and thus part of their backstory haven't been written yet. It might be confusing, but I've tried to explain it the best. The ideas are also not fully decided; discussion is open for them and the ideas may change or be scrapped out altogether:

Russian Balkans?
Finland, in TTL, became a Russian puppet instead of outright declaring independence, and sovereignty was declared after the fall of Russia into anarchy in late 1919, the precursor to the Russian Civil War. Karelia had been given independence as another puppet as a popular demand a few years before the birth of Finland, which then caused the loyalty of the Finnic nations until much later.

Russia had originally intended to perpetuate his govenment over the north in this way, and to a point it worked; the Finnic vassal states were loyal to Russia and helped dismantle the Swedish Empire with great pleasure, as the Russians also founded pan-Finnic ideas in order to help create more powerful puppets.

The point with this is my idea for the birth of Rumelia; instead of being caused by an independence war followed by a few short wars (which is until now the idea), the point would've been a joint UK-Russian war in order to weaken the Ottoman state. The Russians planned to spread into the Caucasus (into which now are the Caucasian Imamate and the Transcaucasian Republic), Turkish Armenia (now part of Transcaucasia), and to follow pan-Slavic and an equivalent from the age, "Pan-Orthodox" ideas in order to conquer the Balkans.

The UK disapproved of this; Russia would grow even more powerful with Rumelia as its territory, and even more with such a strong control over the Bosporus (Rumelia in TTL includes the European half of Constantinople). Eventually, a compromise is achieved; the new Neo-Byzantium is made a joint Russia-UK dominion and territories are annexed by both sides (for a time OTL Moldova for Russia and the Ionian Islands and the Montenegrin coast for the UK, with the UK losing all claims over Crete or Cyprus).

However, the locals didn't want being ruled by a foreign power, and quickly broke free after expulsing their governors. Mantaining good relations and helping crush Slav revolts, however, the UK and Rumelia continued being allies.

Uralic Federation?
Recently, I've been thinking about breaking up the Uralic Federation into a confederation closer to an alliance of sorts than to a single nation. This is not only because it would end in a lot of great flags and anthems unused in my TL, lol, but because recently I've found more and more implausible the idea for a single Uralic Federation to exist. They will still be closely knit together, but they won't be a single country. The Federation will break into the following nations:


 * Nenetsia: This is the largest and possibly most Russian of the Uralic states (Russian pop estimated at ~30-40%). It is composed of OTL Archangel Oblask,, and . It will recieve a large population boom around the 1940's after adquiring Archangelsk and therefore controlling part of the trade routes into the Russian states and the other Uralics and due to its high mineral wealth. Is probably one of the richest states in the Confederation and the most Fenno-skeptic (being Samoyed and all).


 * Taymyria: A relatively small state east of most of the other Confederate states occupying the . Also Fenno-skeptic due to it being Samoyedic.


 * Komi Republic: Occupying both the and the, it's a center for most Uralic nations and therefore was chosen as the host city for the Confederation HQ. Is relatively small and has one of the smallest Russian minorities (~9-10%).


 * Permic Confederation:, , and Perm Krai. Is one of the most heavily industrialized nations despite its small population.


 * Mordovia: . Was rejected entrance into the PC because of it being somewhat away from the rest of its component states.


 * The state of Kolyma, in the in far eastern Siberia. Not a member of the Uralic Confederation nor the Finnic nations, and more closely aligned to Chuckchia than to any Finnic state.

The UC states will all gain their independence in the Sovereignty Act of the UC in 1939; the Uralic states will remain a single nation before that. Kolyma will gain its independence late in 1987.

Russian Civil War and Reasons for Russia's downfall
Just so to make that clear, the following are the reasons for Russia's collapse in the Civil War:


 * 1) Russia's government was even more autocratic, corrupt and devoid of all rights that the OTL one. A completely totalitarian monarchy was established by Tsar Nicholas' brother Kyril, one of his chief councelors and de facto Emperor of Russia.


 * 1) The Uralic independence of Torne, Finland, Karelia and Saamiland which was so good for the Russians at the beginning gave the Russian nationalities ideas for independence, especially as the nations started going out of the Empire's grasp.


 * 1) Literacy is far higher for previous tsar's literacy campaigns; more people can read and understand the problems of the state.


 * 1) Nationalism runs rampant through the ethnic minorities of the country, and the Tsar is pursuing cultural assimilation campaigns trying to stop them.


 * 1) Even the Russian people is divided between monarchists, republicans and communists; tensions between the four factions are rising quickly.


 * 1) Russia has been defeated on the last war; its allies Germany and Poland have been fully occupied; Kyiv, Minsk, Riga, Tallinn, St.Petersburg and Volgograd have all fallen; Moscow is about to fall as well.


 * 1) Foreign aid finds Russia too much a threat to mantain united; they are madly supporting the nationalist groups and funding them with weapons, etc.


 * 1) Finally, the Russian people have no interest in leading a pointless war against the ethnic minorities, which they know will not be productive if the revolt is defeated for many years.

This is what I have as of now. Of course, many ideas will be added here throughout the course of the TL; this is the equivalent to a "TE Sandbox". Any opinions? Fed (talk) 23:00, September 27, 2011 (UTC)