World War I Algorithms (Triple Entente vs. Central Powers Map Game)/Archive 1

This mighty page is where all the algorithms for World War I in the map game Triple Entente vs. Central Powers will be done.

Is itt me or have all the Central Powers been winning their battles lately?

I think the reason for that is the fact that that the main powers (Germany,Italy,A-H) are bordering each other and are thus able to support each other militarily, while the allied powers are kind of spread out. In the case of France and the low countries, the are facing Germany and Italy on their eastern border and Britain to the northwest.

Venezuelan Invasion of British Honduras
Venezuela in bold, Honduras in italics.

Location
Location is how close the nation is to the place of the conflict.


 * On the war: 4


 * Close to the war: 3


 * Halfway around the world: 1

Tactical Advantage

 * Attacker’s advantage: 1


 * Defender’s advantage: 2

Strength

 * Side with greater population: 3


 * Side with greater industry: 3


 * "Big Cheese" Advantage (USA, Germany, UK, France for now): 3

Motive

 * Life or death (country’s sovereign existence is threatened): 10


 * Religious: 7


 * Social/moral: 6


 * Political: 5


 * Economical: 3

Chance

 * Random.org
 * 9
 * 3

Result

 * Venezuela: 12
 * British Honduras: 29
 * The British Army/Navy in Honduras beats the Venezuelans out of the country. Revenge is promised in the name of justice and goodness.
 * WOW this is all wrong, under strength British Honduras should have 0 because we are NOT attacking Britain we're attacking a colony!
 * NO, trust me, this is right, the same rules would have applied if America invaded Canada or if China or Russia invaded India.
 * You are attacking a colony of Britain, that translates as attacking Britain itself. Consider your next move carefully.

Central Invasion of Russia
Central Powers in bold, Russia in italics.

Location
Location is how close the nation is to the place of the conflict.


 * On the war: 4

Tactical Advantage

 * Attacker’s advantage: 1


 * Defender’s advantage: 2

Strength

 * Side with greater population: 3


 * Side with greater industry: 3


 * "Big Cheese" Advantage (USA, Germany, UK, France for now): 3
 * Allies assisting: Austria, Germany, Scandinavia: 9

Motive

 * Life or death (country’s sovereign existence is threatened): 10


 * Religious: 7


 * Social/moral: 6


 * Political: 5


 * Economical: 3

Chance

 * Random.org
 * 2
 * 10

Result
Central: 38

Russia: 13

The Central Powers defeat Russia and make massive gains, almost reaching Kiev, Smolensk, and St. Petersburg.

German Invasion into France, Belgium, and Luxembourg
Germany in Bold, France et al. in Italics.

Location
Location is how close the nation is to the place of the conflict.


 * Next to the war: 4
 * At the War (France and all are being invaded, thus they are at the war): 5

Tactical Advantage

 * Attacker’s advantage: 1


 * Defender’s advantage: 2

Strength

 * Side with greater population: 3


 * Side with greater industry: 3


 * "Big Cheese" Advantage (USA, Germany, UK, France for now): 6
 * "Big Cheese" Advantage (USA, Germany, UK, France for now): 3
 * Allies assisting: Britain, Italy, Austria: 9
 * Allies assisting: Belgium, Luxembourg, Latin America, Russia: 12

Motive

 * Life or death (country’s sovereign existence is threatened): 10


 * Religious: 7


 * Social/moral: 6


 * Political: 5


 * Economical: 3

Chance

 * Random.org
 * 2
 * 3

Result
Germany barely defeats France and Belux (term for Belgium and Lux, minus the "ne" in Benelux.) taking just Luxmebourg and part of Belgium.
 * Germany: 33
 * France et al.: 31

Discussion
''' Am I doing these wrong, as they seem biased to me. Let me know is you see anything wrong. '''

''' I thought so too. I'm checking everything right now. '''

''' @ The Strength Part: Germany is definitely a war machine, but France and all of them are a pretty big population base together. '''

' @ The Stregnth Part Again: Russia definitely has some'' troops in France at the least. '''

''' @ The Chance Part: Never liked it myself, so I did it again. I got three and two. '''

''' Russia never had any soldiers in France during World War 1, and given their even more terrible situation in this one, they would need all the troops they could get on the Eastern front. '''

' Remember: Brits = not on their side = the Allies deploying just some'' troops in their allies' countries. '''

''' Exactly. With the British not even on their side, how could the Russians get troops past the Scandinavians, British, Austrians, or Italians at sea? No real chance there. '''

Anglo-German Invasion of South Latin African Colonies
Germany and Britian in Bold, Latin America in Italics.

LocationEdit
Location is how close the nation is to the place of the conflict.
 * Next to the war: 4
 * At the War (apparently): 5

Tactical AdvantageEdit

 * Attacker’s advantage: 1
 * Defender’s advantage: 2

StrengthEdit

 * Side with greater population: 3
 * Side with greater industry: 3
 * "Big Cheese" Advantage (USA, Germany, UK, France for now): 6
 * Allies assisting: 3
 * Allies assisting: 3

MotiveEdit

 * Life or death (country’s sovereign existence is threatened): 10
 * Religious: 7
 * Social/moral: 6
 * Political: 5
 * Economical: 3

ChanceEdit

 * Random.org
 * 6
 * 5

Result
Germany takes control of Mozambique, and Britain takes control of Angola.
 * Germany and Britain: 28
 * Latin America: 21

''' I'm sorry, but somebody go over this again. This seems too biased to possibly be true. '''

''' Actually, it looks right to me. '''

Russian Invasion Into Germany
Will begin next turn.

Russia in bold, Germany in italics.

Chinese Invasion of India
China in bold, Britain in italics.

Location
Location is how close the nation is to the place of the conflict.


 * At the war: 5


 * Next to the war: 4


 * Close to the war: 3


 * Far from the war: 2


 * Halfway around the world: 1

Tactical Advantage

 * Attacker’s advantage: 1


 * Defender’s advantage: 2


 * Home is desert: Defenders +3, attackers -3


 * Island: 4

Strength

 * Every nation militarily helping with belligerents/defenders: 3 (May change)


 * Side with greater population: 3


 * Side with greater industry: 3


 * "Big Cheese" Advantage (USA, Germany, UK, France for now): 3

Motive

 * Life or death (country’s sovereign existence is threatened): 10


 * Religious: 7


 * Social/moral: 6


 * Political: 5


 * Economical: 3

Chance

 * Random.org (Needs to be done by a mod) (I went ahead an dead it for you. I belive you can do the rest.) Enclavehunter 04:15, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * 4
 * 2

Result

 * China: 16
 * Britain: 19
 * China makes some gains into India.
 * A chinese invasion into India is repulsed at moderate casualtires to each.
 *  Hate to break this to you, but the algorithim was apparently changed. Since you are invading India, you are technically invading Britain. A bit confusing, and I don't like the whole changing-algorithims thing. It should be settled now though. 
 *  I would like to respectfully challange that change. I don't think Britain should get the location advantage, because most of their millitary is being focused in the European theatre, with their power base halfway around the world. There is no way they can get their troops into India in any efficient manor. Gemralts 01:53, May 3, 2012 (UTC) 
 *  I did not make that change. Write to Scraw if you are going to contest that one. Monster Pumpkin 23:22, May 3, 2012 (UTC) 

France:
Location: 5

Tactical: 2

Strength: 3+3+3+3+3

Motive: 5

Random: 8

Italy:
Location: 5

Tactical: 1

Strength: 15

Motive: 5

Random: 4

Result:
France 35 Italy 29

'''The French repel the Italian assault and continue to occupy the North Italian region. (i did this as fair as i could)'''

Could you list the allies of each side so that we know who they are? ~MP

Sure. The allies of france here are the CoLA and Spain. Italy is supported by the UK, Germany, and A-H. That's where Italy's 15 strength points came from.

Greece
Location: 3

Tactical: 1

Strength: 0 (so far i didnt see anyone helping) Ya shouldve thought of that.

Motive: 5

Random: 7

France
Location: 5

Tactical: 6

Strength: 9

Motive: 5

Random: 2

Result
France 27 Greece 16

The Greeks suffer a crushing defeat by making an unaided attack on Corsica and are expelled from the island easily.

Location
Location is how close the nation is to the place of the conflict. U.S-5, Canada 5
 * At the war: 5
 * Next to the war: 4
 * Close to the war: 3
 * Far from the war: 2
 * Halfway around the world: 1

Tactical Advantage

 * Attacker’s advantage: 1
 * Defender’s advantage: 2
 * Home is desert: Defenders +3, attackers -3
 * Island: 4
 * Canada 2, U.S 2

Strength

 * Every nation militarily helping with belligerents/defenders: 3
 * Side with greater population: 3
 * Side with greater industry: 3
 * "Big Cheese" Advantage (USA, Germany, UK, France for now): 3
 * U.S 12, Canada 3

Motive

 * Life or death (country’s sovereign existence is threatened): 10
 * Religious: 7
 * Social/moral: 6
 * Political: 5
 * Economical: 3
 * Canada 10, U.S 5

Chance

 * Random.org
 * U.S 6, Canada 5

Alliances
Total- U.S 29, Canada 27
 * Every ally: 2
 * U.S 2, Canada 2

THis one has to be put on hold for right now. Monster Pumpkin 00:43, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Why? Whosonefirst? 22:05, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Because the mods have to decide if Canada should be considered part of Britain or not. That would change everything. Monster Pumpkin 23:15, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Allies
Location: 1 (it's led by the CoLA)

Tactical: 1

Strength: 3+3+3+3+3+3( Japan,Spain,and France aid the invasion. Also france is a "big cheese." PLus all the allies have more industry as well as population)

Motive: 5

Random: 3

Great Britain
Location: 5

Tactical: 4

Strength: 3(it was a surprise invasion, they didnt know untl we posted)

Motive: 10

Random: 1

Result
Allies 28 Great Britain 23

'''The Allies successfully invade Britain and establish an Allied foothold in the area while holding London hostage. '''

'''For one, Britians strength should be for sure 6 as they are a big cheese. Secondly, The three nation are sending aid, not military troops except France. Thirdly, it would take a month or year to get the matirials to invade like this, somewhat like D-Day.'''

'''The British were given points for big cheese(its the three). Yes the nations were sending military troops because we've been planning this since the British invasion of the CoLA mainland in 1915, a ''year and a half ago. Also it was a surprise invasion so they couldnt possibly have seen it coming so that explains the points against them.'

'Here is the problem with strength, it says you get three IF you are a combatiant. As Britian is, they get 3. Also, the strenth of the CoLA should only be 6 or 9.'

'This was an ALLIED invasion, so we were all combatants.It wasnt one nation, it was all the major allies who are in fact combatants. I think that's all there is to argue for, besides the only thing i think is wrong on my part is their motive because their government can live on in any one of their dominions. Should i change that or is it fine as is because we would win anyway. Btw thanks for joining the war.'

Two things Monster Pumpkin 00:40, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Explain to me how Japan could send troops through heavily infested British waters?
 * 2) Do you really think you have more population then the British Empire? look at the map.

Look, quit challenging every single thing i post. First, a japanese contingent was already IN EUROPE. Second, all the allies combined would top your empire because although extensive it is sparsely populated especially canada, australia, africa, zealand, and your own island.Really India only contributes a significant amount of population but not enough to take the population points. I'm even considering giving that only 5 motive points because: 1 taking south Britain won't kill u as a nation and 2 your empire could live on in any of your dominions.

I don't challenge all of your posts, just the ones that seem incorrect.

I was not aware that a contingent of Japanese troops was in France. If they are, then I apologize.

Population-wise, yes Canada and Australia are= sparsely populated, but the rest is not. In fact Britain is very densly populated.

Also, the algorthim is supposed to be one nation against another, not an organization. You can choose who it is, but it has to be one nation. The reason why I did that before was because Russia didn't have a player.

I need to ask how you expect to land in Britain when the British Home Fleet is right there.

Remember, it is just a game, and all I want is for it to be fair and balanced. I will not destroy your nation if you lose, heck, I didn't even want to get involved in the first place.

There is no need to get overly angry at a game.

I have to go for tonight, so this will have to be put on hold. Good Night.

Monster Pumpkin 01:05, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Monster Pumpkin 01:05, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry if that seemed mad but rightly so, i felt like you were being a tad too biased on alot of things. You challenged all allied algorithms here on this page. If you weren't going to be involved you shouldnt have struck so massively at the Allies then. For the population deal Britain and India are densely populated but yet not enough to top us. I belive the "ALLIED" invasion as a grouup is justified because the Central Powers attacked Russia as a group. Lastly your fleet is overextended throughout the world and there is no sea battle algorithm. I belive this algorithm is correct and should be kept that way.

'''Did you not read why I made the Central nations one group? You also seem to forget that my nation entered the war because of a mod event written by RWG. '''Furthermore, My fleet is the largest in the world and it really only needs to be placed in three places right now: Europe, Pacific, and the Caribbean. No real overextension at all. Monster Pumpkin 23:21, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Thats total biased modding! You can make the Central Powers a group to easily invade a strong country but we cant do the same? and you think that having your fleet spread out like that is no overextension?

Latin America
Location: 1

Tactical: 1

Strength: 3+3+3+3(France is helping and is big cheese)

Motive: 5

Random: 7

Italy
Location: 5

Tactical: 2

Strength: 0( they are busy in the north, so little resistance is met.)

Motive: 10

Random: 7

Result
Latin America 26 Italy 24

'''Latin America takes Southern Italy, effectively driving the Italians out of their own country.Italy is now occupied by the Allies. Confederation forces meet the french in the north and both occupy Italy jointly.'''

0 strength? It's not like all of Italy is stationed in the north... ChrisL123 23:54, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

There's nothing to give them points for anyway...

Well it's not as if they don't have support, Austria's still supporting them. It's just that the algorithm was written directly after the turn and no one had a chance to say anything. Unless it was a surprise attack, which wasn't mentioned. ChrisL123 00:09, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Austria is attacking from the north not the south. They were helping Italy to try to take back French-occupied North Italy, which failed. TO get to the south, the austrians woulld have had to win their and then help against this offensive. But, because they failed in the North, they couldnt help the Italians in the south so the Italians fought alone.

Germany, Austria, and Britian (Malta) are aiding them.

Since the battle was close, Italy would not be totally defeated.

Monster Pumpkin 00:42, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Here we go again MP.... They were aiding the FAILED Italian offensive to regain the Northern region. Since they failed, they didnt cross over and help the Italians in the south therefore they lost. And its not like any of you could foresee this planned surprise with enough time to mobilize properly. Because they failed, they couldnt have reached Sothern Italy in time to help the Italians.

This is completely ridiculous. Not all my troops would be stationed in the north. Plus Italy is a mountainous nation and should be given somewhat of a bonus for that. Plus I have naval aid from Britain and I'm pretty sure Britain could blow anything of Latin America out of the water CommanderOfTheFourthReich 02:37, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Of course not all of your troops are there, its just that their is a much weaker force there because you are concentrated to the north. There is no bonus for that because it would: 1 be too difficult to incorporate into the algorithm and 2 come on seriously mountains? We can make up just about any "bonus" for any nation. In this game, there is no naval advantage points but consider this: CoLA and French navies are blockading your ports anyway so your British aid is not there. Even if it were true please remember that Britain's navy is terribly overextended throughout the world and couldnt put too much of a fight up against two strong navies despite Britain having the worlds strongest navy.

Britain's navy would only have one serious contender here: France. In this war, you either protect France or you sink and drown, literally. All the other navies are either too small or too undermaintained, perhaps both, to be effective. You also seem to forget that Austria, Greece, and the Ottoman Empire have their own navies in the region as well, and with no more combatants in the Eastern Mediterranian to fight, they would help here.

Troop location is not factored into this algorithim. If you want, you can propose a new one, but unless it is approved by a majority of the mods it will not be put into place. Monster Pumpkin 23:27, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Japan

 * Location: 3
 * Strength: -3 + 3 = 0
 * Tatical Advantage: 8 + 1 = 9
 * Motive: 5
 * Total: 17

Britian

 * Location: -2
 * Strength: 5 - 8 + 2
 * Tatical Advantage: 10
 * Motive: 5
 * Total: 15

Result:

 * Japan captures Malasyia, but will take an year due to its closeness in numbers. Enclavehunter 00:22, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why are there negative numbers? That is not how the algorithim is done. Monster Pumpkin 00:42, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * I went by the new one, I'm still confused if its the old one or new one. Enclavehunter 00:43, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * The old one. Monster Pumpkin 23:15, May 3, 2012 (UTC)