Talk:Confederate States of America (Muscle Shoals) (1983: Doomsday)

Good job Brian. One thing, though. Have you personally compared the two constitutions. I once went looked at a site that had the text of the Constitution of the CSA with different fonts to show additions or subtractions since the CSA laid out their constitution with the US constitution squarely in front of them. All the new CSA had to do was choose whether or not to retain the changes -- there were very few, really -- or go with the original USA. I looked for that site but found this one instead : http://www.filibustercartoons.com/CSA.htm which lays the documents beside each other and comments on the changes. The only things most modern "rebs" would change would be the references the sale and ownership of slaves.

I think the reasons you give for the end of the "Confederate experiment" in the mid-south were good ones. It is a shame that such infant states could not get along (there were only four of them) better. It is strange, though, that some thought that their small federal government had too much power. The (P)USA, in drawing up the 1991 Constitution, was two large states and three small ones dependent upon a strong central government for survival. At the time they had a common enemy, so the changes they made were mostly cosmetic. Their first president took charge, and if they had not followed the US Constitution so closely they might still have the same president twenty years later!

The provision for one term presidents may have been the new CSA's biggest mistake. Twelve years with one man at the helm may have been enough to grow stronger. SouthWriter 01:50, May 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * This was mainly about getting the page started...there's certainly time to further review the two constitutions and further clarify how this nation's constitution was put together. BrianD 14:54, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Presidents
I assume that Rick Hall was the mayor of Muscle Shoals, or a state congressman from the town. Good catch, South. I'll try to get a list of Presidents in the next few days while I'm filling out the history. You know, this thing may end up being a lot of fun to work on!BrianD 03:05, May 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, Rick Hall was a music producer, writer, performer, etc. who founder of FAME (Florence Alabama Music Enterprizes) Recording Studios. He moved the studios across the Tennessee River to Muscle Shoals in 1960. From George Jones to the Osmonds to Alabama, he has written and produced for over fifty years. He was in his heyday in the 1980's. He is a 1985 inductee in the Alabama Music Hall of Fame. He was indeed a "good catch." I figured someone with as many connections as he had would be a natural. I doubt if he had any real competition in the general election of 1985. He would probably have still kept his hand in the music industry, though. From reading the Wikipedia and Alabama Music hall of Fame articles, I'd have to say Muscle Shoals would most definitely have to be the "new Nashville" of TTL! SouthWriter 03:52, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * ::Sounds like you've already started researching Presidents! Hall presumably would have served from '84 through January 20, 1986, when the new President took over...unless Hall decided to run, and won. The list of Presidents should look like this:
 * 1984-86 Rick Hall (I-Muscle Shoals)
 * 1986-92 Rick Hall (I-Muscle Shoals) or someone else
 * 1992-98 second President
 * 1998-99 third PresidentBrianD 04:05, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Dick Jordan in 1998? Jordan is a Florence native, and by this time Florence, Muscle Shoals and the rest of Alabama would have been the heart of the country. BrianD 04:13, May 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Impressive resume! This makes Alabama the "Virginia" of the new CSA. And from the looks of it, Jordan might just be the man to bring the CSA back from the dead.


 * For the second president, why don't we you see who you can find from "Mississippi"? I'll search the files of Rome, Georgia for a candidate. SouthWriter 04:28, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Will do. He likely will be from Corinth, either a local politician OTL or a Congressman from the region...unless I find a record producer or other celebrity :)BrianD 04:33, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Edward S. Bishop, mayor of Corinth in 1990. I thought of using Jerry Clower as a Presidential candidate, but he was from Yazoo City, which is about 20 miles northwest of Jackson...which if he wasn't too close to the blast site, would probably be too far away from Corinth. Unless you wanted to stretch the CS Mississippi state border down to the ruins of the former US state capitol .from Liberty, very close to Hattiesburg and Natchez...and to probable bombed sites. BrianD 03:12, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Edward S. Bishop, mayor of Corinth in 1990. I thought of using Jerry Clower as a Presidential candidate, but he was from Yazoo City, which is about 20 miles northwest of Jackson...which if he wasn't too close to the blast site, would probably be too far away from Corinth. Unless you wanted to stretch the CS Mississippi state border down to the ruins of the former US state capitol .from Liberty, very close to Hattiesburg and Natchez...and to probable bombed sites. BrianD 03:12, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Miscellaneous
I'll add it to the infobox later, but I would propose that America the Beautiful or God Bless America be the official national anthem, and Dixie as the popular anthem (the one they sing at ball games, concerts, etc.). I don't know if anyone would remember God Save the South, and also there wasn't any hatred for the USA (remember, the South was one of the most patriotic regions of the entire US at the time). The Star-Spangled Banner would not work for obvious reasons (but would be sung on the 4th of July, when the CSA celebrated the US's birthday). BrianD 03:10, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Another little quirk: the CSA declared itself to be at war with the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact (including Cuba), and declared itself to be an ally of the United States and NATO. The states and towns followed suit, and today many of them still have it on the books.BrianD 04:43, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Political divisions
BrianD 04:43, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alabama consists initially of the U.S. Congressional Fifth District.
 * Mississippi of the Corinth area, west into Holly Springs National Forest, south into Tupelo
 * Tennessee from Bolivar in the west to Tullahoma and Winchester in the east.
 * Jackson would join in 1987, maybe, as its own state. Georgia joins in 1988. Kentucky (primarily McCracken, Fulton, Graves and Hickman counties) joined in 1989.

Strikes
Russellville, Arkansas is listed as a primary target and Savannah, Georgia is listed as a secondary target. I think its very likely both were destroyed (in fact Savannah is already listed as being destroyed on the article) and should not be listed in the infobox as cities of the CSA. Mitro 19:05, May 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * The Savannah in question is Savannah, Tennessee not Savannah, Georgia --GOPZACK 19:40, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah IC. Well is Russellville the same place I think it is? Mitro 19:47, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * You are incorrect, these maps show the distance between the two locations. --GOPZACK 19:52, May 4, 2010 (UTC) TNMap-doton-Savannah.PNG.png [[File:750px-Pope_County_Arkansas_Incorporated_and_Unincorporated_areas_Russellville_Highlighted.svg.png|thumb]]
 * I don't understand the purposes of the maps. I realize that I was wrong about Savannah, but it looks like the Russellville mentioned in the article is the one that I think is certain will be nuked. So what is the purpose of using those maps. There is a Russellville, Tennessee, but that is located where Blue Ridge is now, not on the map you showed me. Mitro 20:00, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Never mind. Brian just messaged me on Facebook that its the Russelville in Alabama. Mitro 20:04, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

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 * Sorry Mitro I misread your comment, I thought you implied that the other Savannah was near Rusellville. My mistake there, forgive I'm running on minimal sleep. I agree with you on Russelville as you can see from my original comments I only contested the part about Savannah. --GOPZACK 20:08, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Mkay nevermind then GOPZACK 20:08, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Russellville Alabama not Arkansas; Savannah Tennessee not Georgia (both of which, besides being too far away, would also be radioactive craters). FYI, Blue Ridge is in North Carolina.BrianD 20:46, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Lynyrd Skynyrd
Did Lynyrd Skynyrd survive or were they just big fans (like myself) of their music? --GOPZACK 02:14, May 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Who knows? With them, and other celebrities, you would need to establish they were in a non-nuked area on 9/25/83.BrianD 02:17, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynyrd_Skynyrd#Hiatus_.281977.E2.80.931987.29 BrianD 02:23, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks like the band probably would have never re-united in TTL. At least not in any big way. The legal battle over the use of the name, though, would probably be hard to wage.! SouthWriter 02:47, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

I agree South, but you never know, from what I can see most of them ended up in Jacksonville which got nuked pretty bad. The only guy I can confirm alive is their current keyboardist Peter Pisarczyk who would have been in Vermont & would have never met anyone from Lynyrd Skynyrd if they did survive. However I will do a little more reseach & see if I can find EXACTLY where they were. Wish me luck :-) --GOPZACK 02:50, May 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, good luck. I can't even find local politicians very often.  The web might be everywhere, but there's still a lot of stuff that just is not on line. SouthWriter 03:03, May 5, 2010 (UTC)