User talk:GunsnadGlory

Ideas
Could you atleast tell me some ideas, as I really want to know what you have got planned and in your mind. :D Imperium Guy 22:09, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

I was about to upload that, but you beat me to it!! :P Imperium Guy 19:47, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

lol GunsnadGlory 19:49, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Don't upload duplicates. Plus the one you uploaded was of worse quality, Guns. Imperium Guy 19:35, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry. GunsnadGlory 20:47, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

No probs. Just saying!! :D Imperium Guy 21:10, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

I just reported Griffins3. Go on to the TSTPF talkpage. Imperium Guy 21:10, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

After Gansu, you will have to extensively help me on the Tamil Nadu page to get it up to speed. :P Imperium Guy 22:30, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

I would love the idea to become real. However, nationalist elements will oppose this, so I don't know to get the Confederacy to work! :/ Imperium Guy 19:51, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Something like this maybe?

Its got the UIP at the top and has the South Indian Confederation at the bottom. Hows that looking so far? :D Imperium Guy 20:30, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

It is a map of all India. I like the map like this as it shows tow unions. The UIP as grey could confuse people. :D Imperium Guy 23:06, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. I think its fireforms. :/ Imperium Guy 10:38, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

No worries, Guns, I already told Imp that that was really not at all possible, lol. Lordganon 00:23, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Greater Americas
Sorry, I did not notice your talk post until now. You join the game by putting your signature (3 or 4 of these - ~) next to the country of your choice. If the country you want is not there, just add your country to the list and tell me or one of the other mods where it is. Once again, sorry for not noticing your month-old post. FP 10:14, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

The Greater Americas
Hey, I noticed that you are editing the Greater Americas map game. While it is nice that someone new is joining, you should know that the game is in the process of either bing revived or restarted as a new game. Just thought you should know. Monster Pumpkin 18:36, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Well, it has taken a bit of time, but its back!! TGA has been revised into TGAr, and we would like you to join as you have shown interest in the map game. Many nations await, choose wisely... :D Imperium Guy 13:25, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Columbus: First Contact?
Thanks for joining. Game starts on th 19th of May. Please take a look at the INTERNATIONAL COURT OF IMPLAUSIBILITY.

Game starts on the 23rd of June. Please see updated page.

Many thanks for sticking with it, David Rain (Sometimes...) 15:57, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Britannia's Glory.
Hello. What's up regarding this game? Is it still working?

Regards,

David Rain (Sometimes...) 11:44, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Asian Tigers (SoC)
Hey Guns! As you can see, I have accepted your alliance offer and allowed you into the APN. This is just to message that I think if we increase trading between our nation expodentially each year, we can both become Asian Tigers like the ones in OTL. However, you will have to help me with this one as Vietnam is not very industrialized and will need your industrial aid. In return, my army will support you once it reaches almost full strength. What do you think? :D Imperium Guy 13:12, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

The APN kinda is the NAM but it is more about economical support as well as it includes nations from around the world. However, not every random nation will be allowed to join. It will only allow nations which have a potential to become a "tiger". Mexico does, India does, Thailand does, Vietnam does and so does Japan!! :D Imperium Guy 23:52, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Urgent message: We Mayans are not in Louisiana!
Hi. The only part of otl USA the Mayans are in is (extreme south) Florida.Where did you pull Louisiana from?

David Rain (Sometimes...) 18:53, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

Greetings from the NPRC
A scouting expedition from the National People's Republic of China has come across Gansu and is attempting contact. Your thoughts?

Canuck2012 01:32, July 1, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

2005 could work. My state is technically expansionist. It is attempting to secure lands around Hubei province. However, it doesn't claim total sovereignty over all China. Say, if a nation is conquered or accepts to join the NPRC, the locals will continue to control their government, but would have to obey the NPRC's laws. The people could apply for citizenship instantly, as well as high ranking officials. Think essentially of the states of America, technically a part of the country, but in some ways, independent.

It's kind of ironic that you would mention an alliance against the PRC. I was thinking that if my state is accepted as canon, I would send invitations of all Chinese successor states that have some level of democratic representation, and the delegations would discuss a possible alliance or loose federation against Soviet aggression, but that could also include the PRC. Though it could join if they agreed to make democratic reform and recognize the independence of the Chinese states. Canuck2012 15:31, July 1, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

I'm not sure what it's called. After an incident involoving I think a railway, the Soviets invaded Imperial China.

Canuck2012 (talk) 21:44, July 11, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

Guangxi is willing to join a federation against expansionist nations claiming all of China (USSR, PRC, TROC). Guangxi only claims Guangxi, Guangdong, Hunan, Guizhou, Sichuan and Yunan. However after the recent war in Guangxi's south we will be unable to expand or extend or force for a while.

The Second Manchurian War is an obvious attempt by the USSR to take over the resource rich area of Manchuria. They faked an explosion of a train to Korea and blamed Imperial China which they invaded. Scandinator (talk) 12:30, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

SOCr: Deansims
Spread of Communism is doomed as long as DeanSims is playing the USSR. You should do something about that. asap

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:09, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

VLR
'''This is an invitation to play Vive La Revolution Reloaded! we've recently hit a high in edits, but still have room for more players, so come on by if you're interested!AP (talk) 00:48, July 8, 2012 (UTC)'''

Columbus: First Contact?
Why? I'll accept that you can, and have resigned, but I would like to know why.

I hope it's not personal and if it is then I will try to rectify it.

David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk) 15:51, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Nuclear Physics
If what you said on Kunarian's talk page is true; can you give me the estimate for repopulating a city after a 500kt and 400kt nuke? Also I offer you a chance to join Apocalypse:2012 as one of the mods. It is a community page mirroring Doomsday:1983 where the nuclear exchange is in 2012. It will open up to editors in December 2012. I am currently preparing the material offwiki as spellcheck is useful and it is a vandal/troll/grammar nazi free zone. Scandinator (talk) 12:25, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

A city where there majority of the fallout blew out to sea. And another where the fallout stayed in the city. They are from 1983:DD and fission. For A:2012 it is a timeline similar to DD. I'm going to start with editors writing about a nation's collapse in A2012 and then we'll see. Scandinator (talk) 12:20, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

TFCN
That would be great, could you be a sound board for my ideas and give some thoughts as to how this would all work out, i'll give you a very rough TL by the end of the week. Bobalugee1940 (talk) 16:20, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

feel free to help make some of the nation pages, that would be a big help. Bobalugee1940 (talk) 14:43, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

BFE reloaded
We're starting it as soon as I finish the map. I was going to did earlier, but I noticed that the map was far more grainier and smaller than the master canon map, so I had to go back into the history of the map and find out who did it and start from there all over again.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 14:52, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

RTr
RTr is starting tomorrow Kunarian (talk) 17:27, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Evulz/Platypus
There's a few users out there that do this - one account per computing device, or per wiki, etc. No harm, no foul - he's fine unless he tries to use it to cheat. Lordganon (talk) 08:11, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Let's Unify our efforts to Destroy the Unification
So, I see you're looking to help me. I'm not sure dedicated would you be, but I'm really interested in working with you. Say, can you create a nation page for Prussia and I'll look into it then? If we expand like that, we could get quite far eventually.  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 09:45, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

A request for advice on getting a proposal graduated
Congratulations GunsnadGlory on getting your Lesotho proposal graduated. I feel that my Malawi proposal is ready to be graduated, but Lordagaon said its layout still needs work. I have read that Lordganon also said that you needed to work on the layout with Lesotho. Since you fixed the layout on your Lesotho article, I think you could you help me fix the layout of my Malawi proposal. I would appreciate the help. Also, Lordgaon told me to give my proposal, an overall cleanup. Does an overall cleanup mean I need to edit my proposal for grammatical mistakes?

I will gladly accept your offer to edit the layout in my Malawi proposal.Goldwind1 (talk) 15:11, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

GunsnadGlory, I would like to thank you, for fixing the layout problems with my Malawi proposal.Goldwind1 (talk) 21:27, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

SoCr
'''I can't edit the Spread of Communism page, so... Yes the Brazilians will accept your offer of help to expedite our program. On an unrelated note i'd just like to say that Brazil didnt have as much crime as any other nations in s america and they've always had a strong economy, but thats been said already i don't want to argue.AP (talk) 17:32, July 15, 2012 (UTC)'''

'''Hey Guns its AP again! Anyway i'm having a hard time editing again. So can you post for me as Brazil? just write this'''

'''Brazil: With the withdrawal of France, the nuclear program was set back a little but it was quickly replaced with the aid of the United Kingdom.Nations now helping the Brazilian program are: the US and the UK. Healthcare is declared universal in Brazil and will gradually make its way through the country. Brazil's crime crack-down continues, with the scheduled finish date in 1966. Brazil states that it will have a fully functioning nuclear weapon by 1963(or 1962,depends). Social reforms continue their route successfully. Drug busts continue. Brazil declares war on drugs by making any non-medicated forms of drugs totally illegal.(the military never took power in this tl) The second republic of Brazil is over and the modern republic is founded with Tancredo Neves becoming the First President of the Modern Republic of Brazil.'''

SoCr
Are you accepting new players for Spread of Communism Revised?(Sorry if I should be applying a different way, this is my first time getting into something on this wiki...)Vommack (talk) 14:35, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

BFE R&R
Yes. Here's the map. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:20, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

DD
There's already a series of proposals on the board for that area that have been almost accepted into canon - that is, their existence has been written in elsewhere already.

So, pretty impossible.

Have a look at the article(s) and the maps, as well as the remaining problems with said articles, and you could probably write one on one of the remnants, mind.

Lordganon (talk) 09:19, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

...Not as good as it looks, actually. He hasn't really touched them in a long time. Either refuses or cannot be bothered to make changes. I figure he'll do it eventually - his Turkey proposal took a very long time to pass for exactly this reason.

At any rate, it's mentioned in canon articles and everything now. More or less has to get graduated in the future, as a result - which is the only reason it has not been rendered obsolete by this point.

Lordganon (talk) 07:22, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

States of America 5 Reloaded
Just an fyi but your population for California is not right. The actual population should be 379,994. Population information can be found here http://www.civilwarhome.com/population1860.htm. So if you could crrect thst that would be great. CommanderOfTheFourthReich (talk) 17:28, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

Pan-Chinese Summit (1983: Doomsday)
For the sake of all Chinese nations, the NPRC has cordially invited Guangxi to a summit in the city of Hanyang in regards to the economic, political, and military integrity of China as a whole.

(See Pan-Chinese Summit of 2012 for detalis)

Canuck2012 (talk) 19:54, July 29, 2012 (UTC)Canuck2012

Isiro
More like it'd be the less radical leadership of the group leading it. Rest, somewhat possible.

LoN wouldn't care, nor could they apply for such a status - not that the LoN would accept it anyways.

Troy was nuked outright - if you'd have used the search function on the page you'd have found it. The Arsenal there got hit, and that's what it is listed under.

Lordganon (talk) 05:23, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

At best. Lordganon (talk) 06:40, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Carpe Diem
Working on a map for Carpe Diem. Quick question, how far south have the Russians advanced? Any countries that don't exist anymore (I'm using a WWI map). CourageousLife (talk) 17:36, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Also, what OTL areas are taken up by Mesoamerica, the South American Republic, and the Gulf Union? CourageousLife (talk) 18:35, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, more questions. What countries make up the Scandinavian Union on this map? Was Czechoslovakia separated from Austria-Hungary or was that just a typo? CourageousLife (talk) 18:49, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

What needs to be fixed on this map? Shades of blue are allies, shades of red are entente, shades of green are moscow, and shades of purple are neutral. CourageousLife (talk) 14:53, August 2, 2012 (UTC)



Do you want to set a start date or try and get more people on board first? CourageousLife (talk) 00:07, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

A Great world
the game has started Sine dei gloriem (talk) 03:14, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Please i'm not trying to be nagging but i would like that you posted in the map game, i dont want to let it die Sine dei gloriem (talk) 23:40, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Somalia
Not really, Guns - that remaining area is not under the control of any group. It's being fought over by hundreds of little tribal and local warlords. Kind of like most of otl Somalia, lol.

But yeah, no real state.

Lordganon (talk) 04:28, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

BFER
Sure, I'll do it later today CourageousLife (talk) 14:43, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

CDCM
Hey Guns, can I play as some of the other nations in the Moscow Pact? I am Russia, the leader and founder after all. And I need activity from the others. I was thinking the three current Muscovites could split the nations in the pact until we get new players. Sound good to you? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:48, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

DD
In north-central Namibia, you have a state made by the remnants of the movement that won Namibia its independence in otl.

Along the coast to its west, you have German Southwest Africa.

And far inland, Botswana has moved over the border somewhat, including occupying almost the entire Caprivi Strip, with Zambia controlling a small segment as well.

The rest of the nation is essentially desert. Possible for a state to control, but not possible for a state to exist outright.

Lordganon (talk) 01:44, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Not really. There's still a lot of potential in Europe, you just need to think about it a bit. Even China, to some degree, still has that possibility.

Canada is not empty. Virtually all areas that would not have been depopulated or basically unpopulated at all are in states in some form or another. And it's actually all strikes in the south.

Lordganon (talk) 20:47, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

CD, CM
You need to learn to work on your sarcasm, lol.

Anyways, you little alliance there is not as powerful as you would like to think. You're the only one strong in your nation. Germany isn't in the best shape after that whole breakup and reunification through force. Austria is plagued by rebellious minorities. Scandinavia is good, but not very strong. Now take a look at the Moscow Pact. Russia and Japan - very strong. Brazil - pretty darn good too. Spain, Portugal, and Korea: they can work too. Indonesia, Gulf Union, everyone else: on par with the Ottomans.

Now look at the Allies. America and France, good. Very good. China and Italy are on par with Brazil. Czechoslovakia and Bavaria: like Korea. North Spain: Eh, kind of a drag.

We can whup you any day of the week. Including Sundays.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:50, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Lobositz Lamentable Loss
Sorry for the delay, but the game has now begun! RandomWriterGuy (talk) 05:32, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

CDCM
No sir, ass handed to you on plate, best served cold. Read the plan again. We will masterfully craft a war with Allies and Muscovites vs. the great enemies of you. And Germany cannot in any way be strong if it once again had to be dismnatled and reunite again, and not even fully. And again, Austria is covered with large minorities who hate the government to a massive extent. And why would I have a Civil War? Apparently there were democratic reforms in the 1920s, so unless there was a reason for Civil War like North vs South or Blue vs Red or something, I hardly see that plausible. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 06:29, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

You are heavily incorrect. Without Lenin and Stalin, the Reds are  screwed . Ask someone. I learned that the hard way.

You are again heavily incorrect. Germany was broken up and reunited. Any nation that suffers that kind of faith is  not  going to be strong in any way.

You are again heavily incorrect. As a matter of fact, you are completely incorrect on this one. Austria Hungary was weak, is weak, and always  will be  weak. It's simple. They have Rumenians in one place, next to them are the Bessarabians, then we have Serbians, Bosnians, Croats, and a shitload of other minorities. And they never agreed to anything with the government. That was actually what cuased OTL's WWI and led to the breakup of the Empire anyways. Of course, that's the same reason Yugoslavia got screwed.

And read what I said again dammit. It's us and the Allies, ok? You're not going to have them. So deal with it. You'll be crushed under our boots into the dirt. And might I remind you that Russia can pull numbers as high as FIVE MILLION? And that Japan has one of the better navies of the world? As does America? And the Ottoman Empire is not so strong, not as strong as you wish. I can invade from the North and take all of Anatolia in three months. And before you can swing around Spain, and might I add, that South Spain and France and Italy will not let you into the Mediterranean in wartime? ? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:51, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Alfie Owens
Yep, lol, Alfie Owens, a.k.a Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All. It's my tribute, because he saved the world (by crying) and nobody in the planet thanked him. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 15:45, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

CDCM
And what full on argument is this? I do not see one anywhere.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:44, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. Let's forget about it and just play. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:46, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Delhi
Are you sure you want the Delhi Sultanate? It's tiny and about to get owned by the Loki dynasty thats is surrounding it. Scandinator (talk) 23:19, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Yea... Lithuania is under the control of Poland... They share a king so... yea. Care to pick again? I suggest Burgundy or Moscovy in Europe, Bahrami, Loki or Tibet in Asia, Mamluks in Africa or the Incas. Scandinator (talk) 07:31, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Carpet Dynasty
XD

Anyways, and nay, for Yoda thinketh ending you start a Cold War it will. And Cold War doth Yoda aliketh. And forsooth, if join with you Yoda does, then after Allies we crush into war we will fall. Inevitable it is. Fight, do victors do. And meaneth whence doth Carpe Diem, Carpe Mundum? Knoweth, Yoda doth, that Mundum be World.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 05:36, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Thinketh, Yoda doth, that he will goeth forth and for the world, and conquereth it he will, and then Carpet it, he will.

In other words, I think I'm far better off with the Allies and not with my big time enemies of Germany, Austria, and Scandinavia.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 05:49, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

You are correct, and that makes Vader....erm....who now? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 08:17, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Naw, RWG and Luke don't fit personalities. I think a better Luke is David Rain or even Walrus.

And Stewdio asks to be Master Windu, but I think he'd be a good Bail Organa, as one of Yoda's new allies.

So,

Me: ...Surprised?

You: ''Your arrogance blinds you, Master Yoda (Konstantin). Now you shall feel the full power of the Dark (Entente) side.''

This is followed by Force lightning and one of the most Epic Fights in history. So then Courageous and Commander one-on-one it and we all know what happens.

A pity we lack a Leia. Not many females on this site. Also, if David is Luke, then Walrus is Han, but I think vice versa works better. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 09:15, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

A forum maybe. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 07:11, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

Limeuan
why?

Limeuan (talk) 08:51, August 17, 2012 (UTC) limeuan

Why should I do that? (Friendly Question) Limeuan (talk) 08:54, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

read that before. So how did the edits get published?

k. tnx for the advice

For some reason, the edits are still there at least most of them Limeuan (talk) 09:05, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

And P.S. I'd rather talk to the dude who made the articles than see it get erased by u. No offense. Limeuan (talk) 09:11, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

k. I'll change the philippines so it could be less ASB.

PMII Map
Moscovy is on the map, I just haven't filled it in yet. These maps don't update themselves and I really don't want to update every time a new user signs up since it takes about half an hour for the process. So I'm waiting for a few more people to sign up. Scandinator (talk) 10:44, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Imperialism II
Game has begun. --RandomWriterGuy (talk) 20:03, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Blank Page
Sorry about that. I saw a blan page. Glitch maybe.

What's the latest on that Jokes forum?

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:21, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Maps
i'd really need some help with the maps Limeuan (talk) 05:03, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

I got the picture from Pixlr abd still learning how to use it

that message was from Limeuan (talk) 05:19, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

And the only thing i need now is aprogram to edit the map borders then i'm all set

Limeuan (talk) 05:22, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

tnx very much. last question, in case i want to make my own TL and i know all the guidelines, where do i click

Limeuan (talk) 05:26, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

tnx a lotLimeuan (talk) 05:28, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Return to Lobositz's Lamentable Loss?
I may have taken up the role, but you can have Great Britain if you come back. And I'll take up one of your allies, the Netherlands, Sweden or Portugal.

Seriously, we need more people to oppose the enemies. Stewdio333 (talk) 02:50, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

Alright... :( Don't worry, I'll take good care of Britain, and fight the good fight! Stewdio333 (talk) 07:36, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

BFER
Hi Centria, do you want to do an official alliance?. Also, the Regen are trying to throw us away from the Solar System, do you think is possible (and profitable) to change side and align ourselves with the Terran?. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 20:17, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

Forget everything up there. The Terrans put us in Threat Level Charlie. The war is coming. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 23:23, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Alliance
Wondering if Novogrod wanted an alliance once the game started. I'll probably be playing as the Ottoman Empire(currently signed up as Aq Qoyunlu). Saamwiil (talk)

I know you are playing as Muscovy. Did I accidentaly write otherwise? Saamwiil (talk) 23:15, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Stop. You are not a mod. You do not have powers to undo mod decisions. Have you never played map games before? One more time and I ban you with a vote amongst the mods.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:33, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

I know about thine alliance.

MWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Nah, don't worry; I won't metagame.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:48, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Gee I don't know. A lot of implausibility is infecting the game. Germany-Argentina-Venezuela-Brazil-Hungary-Soviets-Italy ' WTF?!??! ' Anyways, the South American nations were fascist, but yet, isolationist. Hungary=hates Germany. Soviets-Germany = bound to collapse if plausibility followed, but I know Imp won't betray the Soviets.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:39, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

True. But it did have enough troops to crush the largest armed force in Africa, and Persia's army was pratically non-existant. I simply thought that the extra troops would be useful. Guess I'll go it alone. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 21:58, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

He Guns, I was wondering if you could send me (Persia) some military aid? Even some vehicles would help, with Italy leaving, I think I can turn around the tide barely, but I think I can do so, so please, send weapons, you don't want Turkey being your enemy and controlling all the big oil fields now wouldn't you? Ianian58 (talk) 21:35, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, just so you know, Britain owns many of Iranian Oil Fields, so this is a very powerful excuse, though it can actually be a very powerful and legitimate reason to go to war. Ianian58 (talk) 21:53, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

So, what proof do you have to disprove my own, since you clearly have something that proves me wrong. So please, show me what where I can find out that I am wrong. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 21:56, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

You might want to read my reply. I actually did the research. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 22:13, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

You mean the Greco-Turkish War that took place before the Turkish War of Independence, which had British, French, Armenian, Italian, and Georgian troops in it? And Persia's military was only 40,000 men strong by WWII as your link to the Persian Cossack Brigade stated, while Turkey's military had nearly four times that amount with 137,000 soldiers at the start of WWII. And then the Ataturk reforms which took place between 1922 and 1937 which modernized and industrialized Turkey? So Turkey's military was larger and better equipped than the Persian one. It economy was larger. And it was better trained, since it fought three successive wars, while the Persians only fought one inside their own lands, and it was a coup by another dynasty, not a real war. When they did fight a real war, like this one, they lost. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 22:31, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

I look forward to it. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 17:13, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Russian Lands
How about that war with the remaining Russian States, We could completely conquer one, then scare the others into submission, for example, although ending the Horde's Dominance would tell them that we are a force to be rekoned with. Pskov would give the least resistance because its the only one not in civil dissaray...or Ryazan.-Lx (leave me a message) 19:47, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

AvARe Japan joining the allies
if the british accept an independent Indonesia under E.A.T.S.P. Influence and Japanese interests in China the Japanese will join the allied war efforts against the Axis. and we will willing to support allied war efforts at sea using the Imperial Japanese Navy. Nkbeeching

" P'shop request"


here is what i am looking for, a kinda war torn / abondoned look to this building without completly destroying it, wtih some kudizu maybe. it's google earth street view pic.

i am planing to use it on this page. ya think ya do anything wtih it?

thanks in advance.

Wingman1 12:49, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

give me a min and let me look. brb. Wingman1 12:58, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

ok i am back, i am going to have to look online after work tonite or try to do a better screen shot from google earth street view. thanks for takeing a look at the pic anyway, Wingman1 13:11, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

The ottoman empire promisesthat Muscovy will not be attacked if it agrees to stay at peace with the muslim nations and agrees not to join the popes puppet state alliance. We will also resume trade with you and diplomacy. Please accept, DeanSims (Talk)

Poland-Lithuania PM II
Well, I officialy have an alliance with them, but when the current Prince dies(very soon), I will have Novgorod break the alliance and declare war on lithuania, and maybe have the veche call upon Ivan III to become Grand Prince of Novgorod and Pskov as long as you are just a military leader. Poland-Lithuania is very much in my way...I want an outlet to the baltic...so lets have that war and then i can reform my governement. The Khanates are also bothering my expansion east. Anyways, I was thinking about some sort of Confederation/Commonwealth of Great Russia type thing like the HRE but for Russian States and much mroe centrilized(other than Novgorod and Moscow of course) could be fomred after we conquer Poland-lithuania. The Only reson I was their ally was to have access to crimea, and through that the Mediteranian -Lx (leave me a message) 21:30, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

And why not? Anyways, I shall keep the Regen. The Federation is not worthy! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:17, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

...Also known as 250 ships. Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 00:09, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Currently, Lithuania is a ripe target for the Dual Khanate, so if you are willing to wait 6 years before a war, you will find them much easier to defeat when they are in total chaos and devestation after being sacked by Mongols. LurkerLordB (Talk) 00:22, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Britain in AvARe
we need you to return and play as the uk. otherwise we are without the major european ally.do you your nation and colonies overrun.

No contest. Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 00:13, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

PMII
Now see here, I did not have any motives against you. I only promised to support Novgorod if and only if it went against you. Easy way to get an amazingly strong Orthodox and Eastern ally. You may have more land, but Novgorod is stronger because ATM you should be facing major rebellions every day due to your increasingly large expansions. So yeah, I agree to your plan.

Also, can you please come back to AvARe? Please? That Warman guy is ridiculously implausible in any game he plays and his posts are often run-on rambles and incoherent and incomprehensive.

Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 17:19, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Brother, we might be from different countries, but we speak the same language.

...Oh, never mind, our countries do speak the same language. XD (America and Britain, English.)

As for Warman, he hijacked it after Pita said he could if he wanted to although he strongly discouraged it.

Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 01:07, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

You promised us protection unless attacked. If we attacked Poland-Lithuania, that promise would turn into a lie... Saamwiil, the Humble 23:19, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

P-L
Just to be clear. What is your intention by attacking Poland? We cannot aid anyside(Bavaria), none the less I am nervous to see a nation so close to HRE borders fall. I will not commit aid either way, I just want to insure that there is no overt(or covert) plan against the HRE. Also, I am confused as to why you appear to be helping the Muslims. We are Christian, regardless of the Schism between the two denominations. Bavaria has a fairly large Orthodox population due to high immigration over the years, we do not harm them.Andr3w777 (talk) 00:22, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Interesting. I'll sleep on it.

Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 00:41, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

If i secretly send supplies, Is there a chance for some land for Bavaria? Just curious. I am "officially neutral"Andr3w777 (talk) 00:53, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Meta-gaming isn't against the rules. Saamwiil, the Humble 01:09, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Poland
I know I have coastline but if you really wanted a warm water coast (Baltic freezes in winter for 4-8 months between Oct-May) then you could take the Crimea with Poland and Novgorod's help. Even if you did conquer northern Poland what would it give you? Revolts and revolutions by the dozen. And an angry HRE and Denmark (who is my ally) would shut down Russian travel through the Oresund. Plus I left a message saying I was really busy and that I would try to post more. Think about how I feel, I'm swamped with school work and then the mods launch an invasion on me quickly followed by my allies... AgentMars (talk) 09:47, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Poland
I know I have coastline but if you really wanted a warm water coast (Baltic freezes in winter for 4-8 months between Oct-May) then you could take the Crimea with Poland and Novgorod's help. Even if you did conquer northern Poland what would it give you? Revolts and revolutions by the dozen. And an angry HRE and Denmark (who is my ally) would shut down Russian travel through the Oresund. Plus I left a message saying I was really busy and that I would try to post more. Think about how I feel, I'm swamped with school work and then the mods launch an invasion on me quickly followed by my allies... AgentMars (talk) 10:02, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Well Lithuania doesn't touch the Baltic so you'd have to take the Baltic Coast in Poland. If you do then you will be stretched too thin and I would have no coast. Also if you try to take any Polish-Lithuanian territory then I won't ally with you guys and will join the HRE. Poland is catholic so all the more reason too. However if you were to restore all of Lithuania back to me, we could come to an agreement with Moscovy using Poland-Lithuanian ports to maintain a navy, similar to OTL Syria and Ukraine allowing Russian naval bases. AgentMars (talk) 05:05, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Russian Federation(PM)
I would like for us to not attack the caliphate because I think it is safer to have a non-agression treaty with them, and not attack them...fore one because victory is impausible. Wait untill the caliphate breaks appart, or untill they start waging genocide against orthodox. In other terms, wait for a cassus belli. If they never give one, they will not. And my navy Proposal goes as follows: there is one navy for the Russian Federation, There will be, however, seperate fleets commanded by seperate nations, mine will be the neva, Baltic(after I get the F_____ rid of the annoying prussians/teutonics) and Archangel(white sea) fleets. you can have the Black sea fleet at your command, and poland can have a baltic and black sea fleet(I'm looking at geographic positioning here). Same principles for the military. A Tsar is picked for the Federation, and each Grand Prince(grand Duke)- veliki knyaz has a right to vote. Principalities/Duchies will be ruled by a knyaz(Prince/duke) and will be subordinate(vassals) to Grand Princes, and Grand Princes can have their own diplomacy and the Tsar is more of one of the Grand Princes that is Picked for the time that he is the ruler of his respective Grand Duchy(hint hint novgorod can kick their Executive out of office if the people don't support him).-Lx (leave me a message) 21:15, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

In order for Moscovy to have any chance of controlling a port in the Crimea, you will need to annex at least half of Lithuania, there is no way a tiny strip 7 km long stretching for 2000+km can be effectively controlled. Bandit raids and revolts will occur and a border that large is impossible to to anything with. And remember people still had to walk back in those days, a years journey to the sea... or a couple months by horse is not something a lot of people would do in bandit lands. Scandinator (talk) 00:50, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Even if you did annex half of Lithuania. Most of it would revolt and break away considering the distance from Moscow. Only the NE part would stay with Moscovy since that part is Russian. The rest of Lithuania would experience some micronationalism.

I suggest you reach the Crimea via the Caliphate, shit is about to go down. And if you put enough pressure on the Crimean possessions of the HRE, Venice might sell you Kaffa (nudgenudge) and a small navy. Scandinator (talk) 00:55, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

More news, the Lithuanian coastline is not up for grabs, the Caliphate took it from the Cossacks. Scandinator (talk) 01:18, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Resource Help?
I am planning on invading several states that are NPC within the HRE. If I dedicate support to the Russians, can I count on assitance in my conflicts. Also. If there is room to allow Bavaria at least one coastal city that would be helpful. We dont have a coast.Andr3w777 (talk) 20:15, October 2, 2012 (UTC)\

That would be fine. As you may know, Bavaria is the head of the Imperial Merchants Guild, the most wealthy trade group in western Europe. Perhap I could base my Nord See operations in one of your cities?Andr3w777 (talk) 23:10, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

That seems good. When you or I post we'll mention that. Andr3w777 (talk) 23:14, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Aragon and Navarre are too far to send anything but supplies. A bunch of Germans crossing the border cannot go unnoticed. I'll give you secret supplies from Brandenburg, Aragon, and Navarre, but I can't manage anything else.

Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 00:28, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Your Proposal
A. I don't have it. It is Caliphate territory... It we beat the Caliphate you can take THEIR Crimean lands while Lithuania retakes theirs.

B. Please provide a map of the areas of Lithuania that I will keep. If I deem them too small, I will not hesitate to let Poland join the HRE to reclaim them. Poland and Lithuania will not change their names.

C. Haven't you hurt me enough? You attacked me after I ask for help and demand territory as I am picking up the pieces of my nation.

D. Explain

E. We could just return to status quo and no-one gets hurt. I would join the Russian federation easily that way.

AgentMars (talk) 01:53, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Secret Diplomacy( NO META GAMING)
Do not forget that Baden-Wurttemberg is my vassal and has had quite a large military buildup. If I join in this little war if Agent disagrees, then you'll have the substantial backing of Bavaria AND its vassals. Scraw can probibly be convenced to join in this also. As a thought, what coastline would be available? I'm hoping it'll be near a trade area as the Imperial Merchants Guild really wants to expand trade throughout the known world.Andr3w777 (talk) 17:28, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Fine you get half of OTL Ukraine. But I keep OTL Belarus. And you get your precious coastline. I have a hard time believling that you would have one easier on me had I not asked to keep most of my pre-backstab territory... AgentMars (talk) 01:58, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

Also the Inca's are taken and there is a rule that you can't transfer territories... -unsigned post by AgentMars

^He's right about this you know, both on the transfering countries and on the Incas being taken. Though, out of curiosity, why of all nations did you insist on him being the Incas? There are plenty of NPC nations. LurkerLordB (Talk) 02:21, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

Here. I created a page for the RF. It is just in the drafting stages and i used the novgorod page for a template. I would like us to have the remaining conversations there now, instead of skipping between 3 talk pages.-Lx (leave me a message) 18:13, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

Caliphate Issue

I have been reviewing the circumstances surrounding Naples and have decided to support Naples willingly joining the Empire. We have to avoid an inner conflict. You need not fear, however I ask that you caution Brandenburg in this as well.Andr3w777 (talk) 20:45, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

created a page for theGrand Council, Grand Principalities get 3 votes, and Sovreign Principalities(non-vassal members of the fed) get 1 vote(if sombody asks to play as a vassal of your give them the decency of being a "Sovreign Principality")-Lx(leave me a message) 20:56, October 9, 2012 (UTC) Im Just making sure everyone gets the same message.-Lx (leave me a message) 21:21, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Naples
...I'm not being hard on a new player. He is overextending and meddling where no-one wants him too. He is another one of those must expand must expand must expand types. I doubt he has any semblance of a plan. Meanwhile, I am trying to unite the southern Orthodox areas into a new Byzantium. Originally I was going to give the nation to Bforix but he left... so I'm stuck with still controlling Byzantium until a new player comes in. Scandinator (talk) 00:19, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

LOL, but yea, I've thought about it and offered Naples a deal I believe no-one can refuse. So yea... war with Naples looks unlikely. Thanks for offering to help. Scandinator (talk) 00:17, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Naples problem
Well, I speak french...that helps with the spanish... but thanks anyway. about the Caliphate: I have to honor my alliances, and unless the Caliphate declares war on the entire HRE for attacking naples, or declares war on Brandenburg, then we should stay neutral...well after all we dont even have a non-agression agreement with the Caliphate...I tried, I realy did, and I have an Alliance with Brandenburg, and as I said before, Unless we have a propper cassus belli to attack the Caliphate(like them declaring war on Russia or Brandenburg), then we remain neutral. That is what I think we should do.-Lx (leave me a message) 13:24, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Ah but if the HRE is about to fall then it is a threat to our ally Brandenburg and therefore is a cassus bellum. remember if we conquer the khanates the caliphate will be on our borders, we need to maintian at least decent relaitons to avoid invasion. We are the buffer between Europe and asia, Chistendom's first line of defence. We need to resist invaison for as long as we can, If Russia falls, europe falls.-Lx (leave me a message) 23:36, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. Scandinator (talk) 09:39, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Caliphate
They Just attacked byzantium. A new issue is brought up in the Grand counil...very pnertinene t...and possibly a chance to regain our Cossack Brethren and take chrimea! Anyways...that woukd also sabotage our relations with the Caliphate...that is now at our doorstep(also a reason to invade...by attacking byzantium, chrimea, and the cossacks they have made themselves a threat to russia). it is pertinant that we decide what to do.-Lx (leave me a message) 13:32, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Edits
Err... thanks?

Wouldn't have notice at all that it had passed that point if you hadn't made that post, lol.

Lordganon (talk) 14:13, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Map Game Wiki
Its an interesting idea. However there are a lot of people that like both Alternate History and Map Games and this makes it harder for them... Scandinator (talk) 19:55, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

I agree, its a good idea, but it would be very hard to get more people to play them...especialy since this is the only wiki that has succesful map games and people dont generaly want to move from one wiki to another constantly unless its for forums and blogs-Lx (leave me a message) 19:58, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Agreeing with these guys, there are some good reasons for doing this. But then would this make this wiki less popular? I mean who cares what the people of AH.Com think? Like you say they're a-holes. That shouldn't be a reason. But yeah it'd free us mods up for sure not having to deal with map game troubles. If you decide to go ahead with this plan, I shan't complain, you're entitled to do whatever you want. I will say that running your own Wiki can be quite taxing though. Plus a lot of this Wiki's activity is about map games but then we can focus on proper alt-history. Its up to you mate. All I have to say is, don't take any content from this Wiki without permission, otherwise its all copyright-steeling & this wiki will get all in your face about it because you steeling our stuff. Good luck to you. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 20:15, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

It's an interesting idea is suppose as it will focus mostley on entirely new system for map games, however what is the purpose if not for spite? Many people who DO play map games, do so on AH. Its simply a lot of fun to mess with history. As much as we all may collectively dislike the establishment, they DO keep order. And order in any form is better than nothing. I support the notion if we can get a better idea of what, and how we want everything on it. I would even be willing to help you set it up. But first I need to know exactly what you have planned. Structure, Rules, Organisation, Everything. Andr3w777 (talk) 20:35, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Look here. You can guess how long this idea lasted. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 21:04, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Look, what I'm saying is that it is very annoying to flip-flop between wikis...but I'm all for it and you will have my support...just remember that...and yes it would be very useful not to have the present-day limit on the games...we can have actual future map games...except they be played by actual people. Just remember people that actualy have althists have to flip-flop bewteen pages...-Lx (leave me a message) 00:08, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it was tried once and failed. You can try again. However, for it to work you would need for map games to get banned off of this wiki so everyone would move, if they stay on this wiki no one would go to another one. LurkerLordB (Talk) 00:16, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

YES, YES and YES. I will be compromise to participate and my opinion is the mods shouldn't be able to play the games they are modding to stop biased events. Look at this Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 02:03, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

I am willing to support this. I like the whole only the leaders can be mods thing. Not because of being in charge, but because it really does limit implausability, which is a major issue on some map games. Andr3w777 (talk) 02:05, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Actually you sent this message to me before. But only the first part. I agreed to it. Now I agree to the second.

Btw, you say "me you and scraw" but I am Scraw, lol.

Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 03:26, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Not a bad idea at all. I am not sure, but I would support the idea as it would quite cool. However, setting it up would be quite a challenge. And my thoughts are that we should parter ourselves up with althistory, like sister sites - to make things easier.

And well done for the 200th headline! I'll probably have to archive it. :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 14:11, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

I could go for it. My only condition would be that there would be a wiki-wide code of conduct, such as no cursing and no fighting with other users. Just to avoid the ignorance some display when playing map games. CourageousLife (talk) 19:08, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

MP and Yank are the only ones I can think of right now. CourageousLife (talk) 19:18, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

And don't worry about the negative comments. The worst that can happen is that it won't be popular and people won't visit it anymore. No big deal if that happens. CourageousLife (talk) 19:30, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Nop, User:Migue235 is the founder, but I think he is inactive so maybe you should create another one or ask wikia for admin powers in that wiki. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 21:19, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Arabian Failure Mapgame
i don't know if you are interest but would you like to join this map game i've made Arabian Failure (Map Game) Sine dei gloriem (talk) 04:13, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Covert message
What is this deal with the Caliphate? Also, I have plans in a few years to invade Bohemia for "defensive" purposes, as the Russian Federation is relatively nearby, can I gain your assistance. I will also ask Brandenburg and Milan for aid. This probably won't before at least the next 5 years, I want to start massively building infrastructure.Andr3w777 (talk) 19:32, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

'''We intend on acquiring all of Finland in order to unify the entire peninsula, not just some of it. We're willing to compromise/negotiate for something we both want. I havent read up too much on the game so my offers might not be informed so i'd like for you to go ahead with your offer:D AP (talk) 05:08, October 27, 2012 (UTC)'''

Hey, Brandenburg is invading Finland too. Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 21:54, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

LOL XD, I know, but I'm too nice to do it. I'm hoping Aragon can secure all of Caliphate North Africa! Too bad I don't control it anymore; we're only in union. Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 23:40, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

Frankly speaking, Russians have no business in Finland. We'll be taking the Finnish area to the exact borders of OTL Finland, im not an expert on the Saami so i dont specifically know where they are. I propose you guys take the Russian part of the peninsula in OTL and I take the Finland area.AP (talk) 02:58, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

can you join Entente vs. Triple Allinace (Map Game)

A) That i shall. B) You've got to be kidding me, look at a globe Guns.AP (talk) 22:57, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

Tsars, the Russian federation, and such
I made Ivan III tsar back in 1492 or something(before the start of the great holy war)...well, since I voted for him and it wouldnt have made sense for you not to...and before I had Marpha who was Grand Princess of novgorod(and an actual influencial figure in novgorod politics in OTL). I figured that Novgorod voted for and others kind of owed her one for basicaly inventing the treaty. I had her resign form the Grand princely post(conveniantly and mostly to have a younger more charismatic military commander) before the holy war to tend to her health and old age, and therfore from Tsardom, paving the way for a muscovian tsar.I agree with you on the caliphate thing. I am sorry if I kind of controlled your vote but nobody was voting for tsar and it was all based on logic so... anyways, it didnt change anything. since the tsar is basicaly a rubber stamp on the grand council(him being first amongst equals and all)-Lx (leave me a message) 00:19, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

also, my reasoning for making novgorod invent the treaty is because novgorod is the only russian natoin with a form of democracy and elections in Russia at the time(the veches, assemblies off people, can kick out the grand prince if they think that he is doing a bad job and they decide on laws), and the Zemsky sobor has elections, etc...what I am saying is not that it makes sense for novgorod to think of a way to enlarge their system via representatives first because they actualy had direct democracy before. Novgorod was the only nation with an active democracy. Others may have had ideas, but novgorod was the only one that had it in practice...catch my drift?-Lx (leave me a message) 18:57, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Also about tsars, I have an idea: why dont we not have a set time of being tsar, but try to limit a single reign of the state as tsar to 20-25 years, since the tsar has some privileges but is mostly a rubber stamp for the grand council. (and the only real way somebody would elect the tsar's son(as the tsar candidates are selected by the nominatory council if they have "enough experience for the role of commander in chief and diplomatic representative of the entirety of russia" and usualy young people are not prefered over older people) is if the tsar was elected when he was old(50-60 years old) and died fairly early and the son actualy had a decade or so to actualy prove his worth and experience).-Lx (leave me a message) 19:06, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Kongo
Gunsnad Glory Bro -

I got your message about the Kongo game and it sounds cool but I've got a better idea. Once you're done with that one lets start our own map game where we can do whatever we want. Here are some ideas...

What do you say?
 * American Revolution 1756-1783 (AssCreed III)
 * Scandinavia anytime in middle ages
 * British Isles in middle ages
 * Vietnam 1945-1975

BrawnerWilliam (talk) 01:54, November 6, 2012 (UTC)BrawnerWilliam

Brandenburg

That's great! I can expand my mini-empire in the name of peace and stability! But the problem is, how I will I control my little Empire from the north, in Berlin? I intend to gobble up Southern Italy and the Western Balkans! Dammit.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:38, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

LOL, Green Day.

Anyways, I suppose I'll pull it off with my awesome Scrawland powers, so long as the mods don't control. Sounds good.

Btw, I'm about to invade India and conquer the Southern regions with Bengal and Tibetan help. Hopefully I can make it part of the main nation lest the mods rule it too far away. I already have two colonies I established and one I hijacked from Aragon. XD Loopholes!

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:51, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

What, you mean "Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein!" Look up hitlerrantsparodies on YouTube. Epic stuff. Parodies of the movie Der Untergang. Hermann Fegelein, in the parodies, always drives Hitler crazy (he's called "the Antic Master"), leading Hitler to shout "Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein!" The parodies are scenes from the film, with the original sound, but hilarious captions.

This is mine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKQr8zy_KUM&feature=plcp

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:00, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, that's the Flag of the Old Republic.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:13, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Brother, that's my old signature. It means "author" in classical Greek.

DFTS (Don't Forget to Sign.)

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:20, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

I thought the mods did the algorithims? Well thanks for the info. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 04:00, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Well, it was a good game I suppose. The Caliphate strikes again. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 23:42, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Mate, it was either Mscovy or Novograd who said they have made trading and contact with India (so that must include Hindustan). So I will have made contact, and all we now need to do is get our two navies to meet up and discuss issues. :/ Imp (Say Hi?!) 00:39, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

That's what I meant by them getting full access into the areas you want. If Hindustan falls, then there will be no strong opposition to them. We basically need you to threaten the DME saying if they aid Bengal against Hindustan, you will retaliate. This will mean none of the member nations will be able to respond and due to the new algorithym, I will finally kick Bengal's ass, going in to topple them completely. >:D Imp (Say Hi?!) 00:47, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Its just that Brandenburg has made an alliance with Bengal, so I have readied Scandinavia for helping me if the Brandenburgs want to get involved. And basically, I just need Russia to ensure none of the cahpliate member countries get involved in the war against Hindustan. Could you accept my alliance offer mate? I just posted it on the PMII page. It will make life so much easier! And if they go up against two countries, then they will know it is bad for them. >:D Imp (Say Hi?!) 00:59, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Not as yet. Though I'm trying. Why? Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 01:12, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Seriously? I thought Hindustan was the one with the Caliphate! That's it, in the future, the country of Bengal just ceased to exist. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 01:16, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Gotcha. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 01:52, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Bavaria's Help
I've a twenty year non agression pact with the DME, It would look bad if Bavaria went up against its word, I need a reason. Is there land to be had? Why can't we just wait until their soon collpase and then sweep in and pick up the peices? would it not be easier? And I don't know if you noticed but I'm fighting a religous civil war right now.Andr3w777 (talk) 02:09, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Russian Federation Secret Diplomacy
Our Plan A of Caliphate survival sould stay the Nonagression pact. we do, however need a plan B because, as you said, there is some mistrust. I say an alliance with hindustan is a good thing to do because it would be an assured ally if caliphate actualy attacks. A Plan B is a good idea, but we should realy stick to Plan A untill the Mahdi decides to call himself Jesus or whatever because Jesus is god and orthodox believe that nobody can equate themselves to Jesus(one of the reasons we dont listen to the pope at all) and believe that there will be signs before the second comming, and we must kill the false prophet before end times start. We can tolerate Muslim nations untill the rulers start calling themselves Jesus ang going insane because they are the "false prophet" and we must stop them before it is too late to stop the appaucalypse. When the mahdi comes, and people start not liking them, we officialy declare the caliphate not a nation anymore and therefore any agreements with them are bogus, and agreements with the predecessor states stand.

Did you understand what I mean. -Lx (leave me a message) 02:45, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Actualuy, invaidng etheopia might make teh non-agression agreement bogus becasue etheopia are orthodox and we now have the power to help(unlike with georgia)-Lx (leave me a message) 02:55, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah Russia is not affiliated with Hindustan or Ethiopia, plausibly they wouldn't give a rats ass about what happens to those countries as you are very far away from each other and you have no alliances or relations. An alliance or getting involved in their wars is highly implausible. So no alliances with these far away countries which are virtually unknown to you. Its like the Caliphate allying with Finland because Russia wants to invade Finland and Russia is our common advisory.

Also Ethiopia Orthodox is a entirely different church to Russian orthodox, Ethiopia follows the not the  who the Russians follow (until you make the  separate from Constantinople which happened in OTL in 1589 that is). You are not the same branch of Orthodox Christianity, its like the Catholics helping the hieratic Protestants. Not to mention you've not even made contact with Ethiopia. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 03:10, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Oh WOW. You guys have been busy. If it comes to war with the Caliphate then Venice is in. We want our Aegean Islands back. Scandinator (talk) 12:37, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Hey you wanna try to make a steampunkesque map game with me? IDK what itll be called but I read your note on steam engines and it got me thinking...Andr3w777 (talk) 18:48, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

There was a time limit to that pact? Didn't know that, anyway I would like to renew. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 21:54, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

LOL, I wish I was Russian. No, I am only Indian, but the Portuguese blood flows lightly in my veins through great x3 grandparents, and I had one great-grandfather who fought in World War II against the Japs. Cool, right? No, no Chinese or Russian, although we are all African on a technicality. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 01:14, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

no meta gaming

Bavaria would like a favor. As you are undoubtbly aware, our nation supports Kappel, though remains Catholic. that will change soon. Brandenburg has threatened Bavaria on that account. When we make the break will you all remain my ally, and if war ever came I ask you to consider wisely, you are closer to Brandenburg after all.... Listen, I nee allies, when Bavaria goes kappelist, we will only have a few supporters, we already have a deal with the Caliphate, stating they will not attack or hiner my nation, can we have a similar deal? Also what do you think about Bavaria seceding from the HRE all together? just curious. more detail will follow, on the http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Kingdom_of_Greater_Bavaria_%28Principia_Moderni_II_Map_Game%29 talk page, not here.Andr3w777 (talk) 00:43, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Well I can accept that. Also It seems interesting, but we would need a bit more ouldnt we? It would be nice for it to be still pluasable and stuffAndr3w777 (talk) 00:58, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Well, its no goood for me, is it? I'm fucked up nicely there. I have stated that Hindustan cannot be toppled over because the two wars were 20 years apart, so I'll still be playing as Hindustan, or probably Vijaynagar in a dynastic union. Yet don't worry, I'll try to summon up strength in Asia however I can. My "allies" in the east failed me so... Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:03, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure they can't add up stuff from over 20 years apart. So, I'll still be around as Hindustan. I'll slowly be rebuilding and fighting in whatever ways I can. So, yeah. Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:36, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Their economy will be damamged, and I am pretty sure there will be a mod event if they try it again. So, I think I might make it for the time being. Can you go on chat? Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:51, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

And though my words mean nothing, go for the Khanates. They will not risk another was with Europe, atleast not yet. So, yeah go for it! Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:56, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

im on chat! :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:01, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Map Game
It's not my idea, I'm just helping FP do it. You gotta ask him. CourageousLife (talk) 20:58, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

You can join if you want. Can't think of a POD, any ideas? - FP 19:57, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

Here's a POD-

Earth is rotated (whether the tilt is slight or severe) - this leads to different seasonal, wind, water, flora, fauna, etc. All from one tilt. I found this picture where the equator is on the Prime Meridian. This gives rise to different cultures, peoples, population centers, etc.

I can get a better map, this one was just purely for illustation. But what does it need? Just a completely differnet POD? If this one is bad, just say so. CourageousLife (talk) 22:43, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

I get what you're saying. But won't your POD require climaate changes as well? CourageousLife (talk) 22:55, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I'm good with that. Will this idea entail different climates, or just changes in agricultural regions? CourageousLife (talk) 22:58, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

So will you need a climate map? CourageousLife (talk) 23:26, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

FP already said we're going to create the first 5000 years of civilization, and let people pick civs or create their own. CourageousLife (talk) 23:40, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Oh. Sorry, distracted. I think that we could alter the PM algorithm to suit our map game needs. CourageousLife (talk) 23:53, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Ask FP first, but yes, we should. CourageousLife (talk) 01:17, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

excuse if i seem to be meddling in this conversation but i can't ignored the interesting sided earth in here, so what exactly is this, just out of curiosity? Sine dei gloriem (talk) 21:33, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Telethon
Hi, I'm calling about the Giving Away Kappelist Program infomercial I just saw on TV, and I just have to say no.

Besides, if I got rid of them, who would I send to be killed in the Caliphate?

Also, I saw the Don't Sign Pacts with the Caliphate infomercial, and I have to argue with you here, Billy Guns. Why not?

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:29, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

What do you mean? That quote means that they are not willing to sign up with you cause you're a threat. They sign with me, and me am not a threat, which I am (sort of) as the rest of the HRE is in turmoil. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:38, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

It's a dirty job - but someone has to do it :)

I'm like the English professor in the men's room:

I don't write on the walls.

I just correct the spelling and grammar.

EoGuy (talk) 15:13, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

Zossen Conspiracy
Your help would be great! PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 15:15, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

What I need right now is a plan for where the TL is going. Right now, Germany is bogged down in Czechoslovakia while France/GB have invaded Germany from the West and have taken Frankfurt. Any thoughts on the war after that? And btw the USSR has declared war on Germany. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 16:41, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

Apocalypse:2012
Basically I wish to make a post-nuclear war world with the nuclear war occurring on 21/22 December 2012. Would you be interested in helping me with the fallout charts since you study nuclear physics? And then you would also be in charge of organizing the population numbers after the war. If you also gave me some info on the region where you live that would help me too. Scandinator (talk) 00:06, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

I am here to tell you that the Burgundians are attacking Orthodox peoples along with Kappelist. I assmue you will side with Bavaria in the instance of war? Saamwiil, the Humble 23:50, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

The phrase "trying to crush some fucking rebels" comes to mind.

And also the phrase "they kind of fucking seceded from the Empire, so yeah."

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 18:30, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

The situation is one where Israel is on the verge of collapse after Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt along with the help of other Arab nations invade Israel after the more radical Arab Spring. The Israelis while boasting better weaponry are overwhelmed by the numbers of the other armies and thus launch their nuclear stockpile of <200 nukes at all the major Arab cities. Pakistan is included in Israel's attack and they know most of their main centres are screwed so they launch on India. India launches a few more at Pakistan and the rest at China so they will not be able to take advantage of the Indian's situation (why else would they develop the agni V? the only new major target in their range is China). China then launches on the USA and Japan. USA fires nukes on Chinese cities and a pre-emptive strike on Russian military installations known to harbour nuclear weapons. Russia retaliates with an all out nuclear attack on NATO and allies and USA replies in kind. North Korea with a few nukes headed its way flings off its nuclear stock at the USA and its allies. Britain and France then launch their missiles though most hit already nuked targets. Over the next few hours most of the world is nuked and the USA and Russia try to activate as many of their inactive nuclear weapons as possible and fire them on each other. By the new year, the last of the nukes has gone off and most of the world is in ruins.? Scandinator (talk) 02:32, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Your senario has several flaws, firstly its assuming that India already has its Agni VI missiles ready, however it seems they will not be until 2013/2014. Secondly France and the UK are staunch US allies and will not attack the USA. In fact most British and French missiles hit Russian targets with the exception of the British nuking of major Argentine cities to prevent them from invading the Falklands. Thridly Iran and Saudi Arabia do not have nuclear weapons, I am writing this timeline attemptting to stick as close to OTL as possible. Scandinator (talk) 23:45, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Nothing is confirmed yet. Even the strikes list is only a rough draft at the moment. I've done a lot more research into this and decided an all-out nuclear war is a no-no if I want any kind of timeline. It will likely be limited to about >2,000 nukes launched and >1000 cities and towns destroyed due to some warheads that fail to reach their targets and others that hit already targetted locations, (random.org here I come) Scandinator (talk) 16:42, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

So far there are 50 hits on Africa, South America and Oceania most of them with smaller yields. In this ATL, North America and Russia fare a lot better than in various projections since they will not be targetted as extensively due to the cause of the conflict being another nation. Eastern Europe is almost totally spared any strikes due to a situation of whose side are they on? Similar to Berlin in Doomsday. Scandinator (talk) 17:25, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

States
I'd be all for getting States rolling again. We just need a better algorithm and be more assertive when it comes to implausibility. CourageousLife (talk) 21:54, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

They did rebel. He decided to retcon that so we wouldn't beat the shit out of him. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:40, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

50 million views the day it's uploaded? I doubt it's dead. HISHE is crap. ERB is epic. It lives? up to its name.

http://epicrapbattlesofhistory.wikia.com/wiki/Special:WikiActivity

Shitloads of fans. HISHE? I doubt it. ERB is far from dead. Few people even know about HISHE compared to ERB.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:11, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Well, "shut up you respectless a-hole" describes what I think more than anything else I could say without getting banned. I don't give two shits if you like it or not, I do. So bugger off. (And for the hell of it. more people are subscribed to ERB than HISHE.) Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:37, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Oh. Well that's a pity. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:50, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

And you realize it didn't happen? What can I be sad about if I'm dead? I'm being Vulcan. I'm being logical. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:03, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

I think the main reason is the managment. The admins are more prepared to ban people and label articles ASB than to give suggestions and feedback to how they can be improved. I have noticed that lots of people are going offline. But FP is back! TSPTF, what do they even do? They seem a little pointless. CourageousLife (talk) 23:31, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

But what would we say? They don't seem to mind that PMII is the only map game, and theres a little TL activity going on. I just don't want to get blown off by them again, because whenever I approach them (granted not all of them), the leaders of the wiki, they ignore me. And I don't want to be another Dean. CourageousLife (talk) 01:54, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

"raises glass" aha, now I think we're getting somewhere. I think a merger of the two would be a good idea. I'll brainstorm a bit, to see what I could come up with for the TL. You have any ideas? CourageousLife (talk) 00:56, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

I'm a little hesitant to use magic and aliens, just because they're both ASB and not technically history. And the DD ones would likely turn out like DD 1983. Asteroids, maybe, probably my favorite of these. Disease, we could make that work, maybe another outbreak of the Black Plague later in history, maybe duruing the Renaissance.

I thought of one - I was looking at my map and noticed the Straight of Gibraltar. This is the only exit out of the Mediterranean. What if it was closed? Would it be easier for the Arabs to invade Europe? Woud the Mediterranean nations become such big players in international affairs?

I think I need to keep brainstorming. CourageousLife (talk) 21:20, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

Then to a forum it is. CourageousLife (talk) 20:43, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

These are both excellent. I think I like the meteor scenario a little better, considering I just finished reading Goliath. The only thing about the disease is that I think it should be a little earlier, maybe in the late 1800's to early 1900's.

CourageousLife (talk) 15:29, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

As much as I would like to sound sophisimacated and say I read that one, sadly, not the one I was referring to. I was talking about the Westerfeld one. Although I have read Asimov, and I like his work.

The Forum, I don't think I have much time until I get off for Christmas break in three weeks. Maybe sometime during the week, but my schedule is so crazy right now, I can't garuntee anything. Pick a time that's good for you, and I'll tell you whether I can be there or not.

For future reference, what time zone are you in? I'm in -5, if I'm correct. CourageousLife (talk) 16:49, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

I'll be on until 23 UTC today. CourageousLife (talk) 19:34, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

What are you talking about? I've no plans, that was Baugalir posting soemthing, and actually Scotland has already stated they will help us if we were to do anything. I've no formal plans, and even if I did, Lurk stated that a whole slew of nations would aid me, as he wants the reformation to be sucessfulAndr3w777 (talk) 23:41, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

PMII
Hey, I'm not sure if it's you or Lx, but one of the russian states is expanding on the Rio Grande. I'm not opposed to any wiggle room, but just remember the Treaty of Berlin. CourageousLife (talk) 01:35, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Would you mind reminding him about the Treaty? CourageousLife (talk) 20:41, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

I guess I'll talk to him.

But that's great! Be there in a sec. CourageousLife (talk) 21:21, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

um wrong map game Guns, talking about medieval world not PM IIAndr3w777 (talk) 20:21, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

I apologized, I honestly didn't knowm just sort of had this wild idea a couple nights ago.Andr3w777 (talk) 20:29, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Weather reports for Apocalypse: 2012
Hey Guns, firstly I would like to thank you for bringing nuclear winter's affects to the forefront of the TL. I have done a lot of research into the topic in the last two days and come to the conclusion that the only way a TL could exist is if USA and Russia used a limited strike and that is what I will be doing for the TL. Thank you for that piece of advice.

In regards to exact numbers, they will be hard to tell for a couple days but I'm planning on targetting no more than 1,000 sites worldwide with <1,500 nukes and having a failrate of ~10-30% in the Northern Hemisphere thanks to missile defense systems across the US, Europe and Asia and EMPs that scramble co-ords and screw with the detonation sequence and an additional 2% failrate thanks to malfunctions.

Now the main issue right now is we need to start collecting weather data for the TL in about 10 days time. This is the most important job in setting up the TL and since I will be "off the grid" for 2 weeks starting on the 28th of December, I need to be able to rely on you to continue collecting data until the 31st. You will also be fully in charge of projecting fallout across the world.

PMII important
due to exams, I may not be and have not been as active as I wanted. This may continue for the next two weeks or throught winter break(that due to me possibly being out of town). for those reasons, If I do not post by 15:00 EST, I give you permission to post in my stead. just make sure you keep up with military advancements, and produce some bogatyrs while expanding the colonies of novorossiya and Kanada 1000sq km alternating each turn.

Zossen Conspiracy
Sorry about keeping you waiting, but I’ve been a bit busy. Now, I’m not really aiming for anything right now. I’m sure in the end Germany will be screwed, but Russia might have a bit more land than in OTL and France probably won’t be overrun. In the end, though, I’m looking for a 3 or even 4 way cold war between ‘Merica, the USSR, and some other places. Any ideas? PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 21:21, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Take a look at the Timeline and feedback please! What I’m aiming for is a WWII ending with Germany getting crushed under the Soviet Union. The USSR will end up as an almost dominating power by the end. Emboldened by their success, or something like that, a war will happen between the USSR and the US, UK, and France. The USSR will only be stopped with mass nukes in Germany. Because of the nukes, the US/UK and France/Europe will grow further and further apart. Eventually, a US/UK-EU/USSR/India cold war will occur. Meanwhile in the east, Japan, who wouldn’t have joined the war, will have taken over most of Eastern China as in OTL. However, they won’t have a lot of oil cause of the sanctions, so they’ll attack EU colonies. When the war’s over, Europe will try to get their colonies back. But Japan’ll not give em back. Instead they’ll make their Co sphere thingy. But in the end it won’t work and they’ll have to withdraw because of mass revolts and stuff. Meanwhile, there’ll a DMZ in Germany, with most of Germany belong to the USSR. The USSR will have all of Eastern Europe and the Balkans, possibly Finland as well. They’ll also take parts of Manchuria and the Middle East. After that, as a finale, US/USSR war in the 80s! :D PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe)

A2012
I'm still in, and sure. -Kogasa 2012年12月22日 06:00:18 (JST)

Yeah, I am. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 21:41, December 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yep, I'm here XD Regards --Katholico (talk) 22:13, December 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well this is interesting. I has doing calculations for Asia and the nuke for Tehran went completly off course and blows up almost exactly over Volvograd D: Angry Russians everywhere! Also nukes for Beijing and Changchun malfunctioned while the one to Kaoshiung failed to detonate and several were shot down by India and Israel. This also changes the Apoc senario to Russia retaliating against Israel and NATO. Scandinator (talk) 10:33, December 23, 2012 (UTC)

yeah sorry, been busy with the holidays, will try to contribute as much as possible, just point me where.Andr3w777 (talk) 17:18, December 23, 2012 (UTC)

Poland (PMII)
Brandenburg requests permission to march through Poland to conquer Hungary. If you help, we'll split Hungary 50/50 if we win by enough. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 01:16, December 24, 2012 (UTC)

Yes! Thanks! If we win, be sure to get more Slavic lands on you! Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 18:25, December 24, 2012 (UTC)

UK weather (A2012)
OTL was very stormy, and continues so. I don't mind the storms but is it possible to have a south-west wind over the UK (yes I realise that it is mid winter)?David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk) 09:36, December 24, 2012 (UTC)

LOL. No. I have come up with a rough UK draft but need SW wind to blow or else I shall have to remodel the entire map. For what I have already posted online see Here. David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk) 10:46, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

Burgundian alliance

 * hey guns, i would like to propose you a military alliance, for any possible near future confliction, such as your Russian federation attacking a tribal khanate, or so, the main reason for me to this is because i've had an alliance with other member of this, as Novgorod is, so would you agree on an alliance Sine dei gloriem (talk) 22:26, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Radioactive Tide Reloaded!
You're invited to the post-apocalyptic map game, Radioactive Tide Reloaded! It has begun. Bfoxius (talk)

We'll see. We'll see...

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 21:35, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Is it possible for scraw to take almost all if Bavaria, when he's only entitled with 13%? Cause I can't tolerate somebody just swooping in and screwing all my hard work. Also I have nothing against the Russians. I had hoped y'all would aid me, but with the caliphate, it was impossible.Andr3w777 (talk) 21:38, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

PM2
Hello my Russian friends. As you know, Russia has been implausibly taken over by the Muslim invaders. Don't worry though, because your close ally and friend Scandinavia saved the Tsar and the Russian Royal Family. They've been evacuated to the Palassen Skandinavia in Stolkholm for the time being in order to form a government in exile. If you want, I can administer Novgorod's colonies and make sure nothing happens there but I'm pretty sure I cannot expand them for you. Assuming the Caliphate doesn't swoop in and invade us too, we'll ride out together in 1575 to reclaim your homeland. Northern Europe FTW.AP (talk) 09:04, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

As much as their blatant implausibility irritates me to no end, I wil wait for now and be a constant pain in their asses, retaking certain cities with all that naval power and whatnot. sneaking back things i mentioned only a phew times in the past(the military act and the spetsnaz), and most of all, I will assasinate or at least try to send assasins in each of their russian provinces to make sure that there is no stable ruler in them, and hopefuly in 1573 with yourr permission expell them from novgorod...and kill them all...when I return democracy in novgorod will be dead. It has to be, and Islam will have much MUCH less freedoms.-Lx (leave me a message) 01:14, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

First let me say that you guys currently have no nations and thus no power. Any posts like the things you describe above will not be allowed and will be removed. You are subordinate to us players of the Caliphate so if we don't agree with your posts then they will be changed.

Anyway to your questions, yes these microstates and civil dissarray areas will eventually be divided up between new states. A big reason behind me doing this Mahdi campaign was to break up all of the existing alliances like the caliphate, HRE and russia. I don't fancy the rest of the game being a cold war between these player alliances as that'd just be boring. As for any future alliances I may be involved in, it'll depend on the current situation of the game; but really I wouldn't mind staying neutral and just do more mod events instead. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 18:24, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I need to focus on the war right now. I'll get back to you later. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:29, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

The answer is no--even if the government survived, the pro-Federation people did not. And you have no allies, and all your old allies are no longer your allies. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:22, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

I honestly don't care.

Oh, and plausibly, attacking me for a war that never happened (this was just me pushing back into Poland after the Caliphate War), would be implausible.

Have a nice day.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 21:07, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Guns, we got a shared best article for DD! Woohoo!! :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 14:53, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Indian Confederation
I don't think it will still happen mate. Andhra and Rayalaseema have too much bad blood between them to be able to successfully establish the IC. :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:03, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

If that happens, then Raya will counter-attack, so will Tamil and Andhra will too. On top of that UIP will lose SAC aid. UIP will probably then be defeated in the south and a significant portion of their forces destroyed, me thinks. We need to get LG into this, he is usually very good in predicting how things will turn out. :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:51, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah. You can ask since its your idea. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:18, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Go check out the Andhra page now. Is it ok? Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:28, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Left it just for you! :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:42, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

I don't get it mate!! Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:52, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Complete copy and paste! Don't worry, I'll fix it! :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:00, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

...Except that the people in charge in the area would have full knowledge of it. And after the attacks started, the same would go for their men. Guns, it'd be obvious to the UIP forces what was going on, and they'd stay put.

Not workable, Guns. The idea has flaws, and those three states still don't care too much for each other. The SAC is also going to take away their funding to the UIP soon after they start attacking the eastern states.

None of the Chinese states border each other. Moreover, none have problems with another, really, barring the Dragons/Tigers, and they are also fairly equal in strength. A war wouldn't make any sense, either.

The NPRC still holds problems, no one has worked on it in months, and it's just about abandoned.

Lordganon (talk) 08:06, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

...Rumors like that really would not exist. And they'd have been told by their commanders otherwise right from the get-go. Guns, it just would not happen. Lordganon (talk) 11:40, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

The OFS would actually be stronger than Lesotho, and the other neighbors something similar to it in strength. You're overstating Lesotho, quite frankly. Lordganon (talk) 05:49, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Sig
Why thank you, my good sir.

Teaching you how to make the signature would be very hard and take very long, but I could easily make one for you. All you have to do is give me the colors, font, etc.

                 ♒   "Fear the power    of the Dark Side of the Force."  01:24, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

On it. Expect to have it by Saturday at the least. (Being pounded with homework after returning from a long break.)

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Ahahaha, I see that you can relate!

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I wish we could ignore both, lol.

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Thine signature is completed. Go to your preferences and put into the signature box.

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TNT
O___o umm...

Well, sure.

As long as it isn't evil and destructive in this game.

If it is, all bets are off.

CourageousLife (talk) 00:59, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

TATM-Russia
Maybe the Mongols, maybe not - though I'd still bet on them anyways - but some group is more or less assured to do the same thing. There was many, many of them before the Mongols, and others afterwards. Heck, more of them would have done it had the Mongols not conquered them.

Kiev would not have become that again, Mongols or not. It was on the way out when the Mongols took it.

Russia would splinter, then reunify in some form, like otl.

Lordganon (talk) 06:32, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

As I said, Kiev was in decline when the Mongols came. Its authority was, quite frankly, already gone. No way it retains power.

Wherever power ends up congealing - i.e. like Moscow otl - would be up for debate. Could be any of the cities, though the stronger ones would, of course, be the most likely candidates.

Lordganon (talk) 05:44, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

...The Mongol Empire did that otl. Didn't do the Russians any good.

Lithuania is not Russian, in any way. And it was pagan, with no allies of any sort and under constant pressure from the orders on the coast, until the 1300s.

Overall, not plausible.

Lordganon (talk) 10:22, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Minsk, from independence, was more or less under the Lithuanians. One of those cases where they are not far off of being a puppet, at first, and rather quickly became one. The arrival of the Mongols convinced the inhabitants of Minsk to join Lithuania. Not an annexation, at all.

The answer would be no. There is absolutely no reason for them not to do it atl - the otl factors all still exist.

Lordganon (talk) 10:40, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Any of the so-called "great" cities of the Rus could have done so.

Smolensk, Chernigov, Novgorod, Tver, Ryazan, Yaroslavl, and Pskov all could have done it, instead of Rostov/Suzdal(what became Moscovy)

The first three were the strongest.

Lordganon (talk) 11:38, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Sig2
Nein problem. Did you like the UK flag?

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Deal. ;)

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Done.

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No problem with me. But you will need to remember I would be the largest Empire after the Phantoms! :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:27, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

No World War Two Revised (Map Game)
Is this game just limited to nations in Europe? If not, I'd like to sign up as Japan Vexacus (talk) 11:54, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Isiro
Revolts like this will normally have most of the military stuck in some sort of armed neutrality.

Rebels likely win. Net result, however, would be another dictator. Bet on someone else coming and declaring themselves emperor - by my guess, the leader of the more "neutral" element of the military will do it eventually.

The signature does need to go, Guns.

Lordganon (talk) 05:47, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Oooh, Isiro revolts. Can the Ugandan states (and Kivu) intervene in favour of the revolters? That way we can get a new pro-Ugandan emperor or something. :D 02:38, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Not impossible, Fed.

I'm sure that the new emperor would install some sort of fake legislature. But the rest of the world's not going to buy it - they'd still be blocked from any form of the LoN.

"Rollback" is more than undoing edits. Any user can "undo" edits - but only admins of various ranks can "rollback" them.

Lordganon (talk) 09:26, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Don't have time for it either, I'm afraid. Just backdate it when you get back. Lordganon (talk) 10:53, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

You want to give me the basics? I might try to have a go at completing it for you (I got another week of easter holidays to go). Although Fed's been quiet lately too. :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 12:21, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Hindustani Raj
Would you like to help me create the TL? You would be deputy (I think Scraw is already one cause he accepted) and get the chance to add to the TL. You might wat to read up a bit on the TL, as well as read this: sandbox. What do you say? :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:23, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah. And you might want to check out a mughal destiny. Added some stuff, and then LG marked it as ASB. What dya think? Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:51, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Alright Guns. That sig is long. So I have put in into a template. Just repalce all that coding with this:. Here is the link to the template page Guns' Sig and how it looks like (nothings changed one bit). :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 13:22, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

My comment under Isiro was for Isiro, lol. Yes, but America was founded under religion. In Britain I think around 20-25% are freethinkers. Plus, increased diversity would speed up the process (America was deeply christian). And I give you the template for what you put as your sig instead. U put in your prefences section signature. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:18, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Ok. Go into source mode for this section, and then copy and try it. Lets see if that works. :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:52, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

He did the exact same thing. Just remove the SUBST:, and it will work. Trust me. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:38, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

See, it did work!! :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:11, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

Map Game Idea
Spring has sprung, and I have an idea for a new map game. Do you want me to pitch it to you? CourageousLife (talk) 21:14, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

It's kind of similar to Doctor's Unknown Landmass Game. The players start out in this game as ethnic groups (i.e. Germanic, Chinese, Bawili, etc) on different 'starting points'. Ethnic groups from the same racial profile (Mongoloid, Caucasiod, or Negroid) start out in the same general area on the map. It would be divided into three seperate stages - tribal, city-state, and country. Turns in tribal would probably be closer to 50-100 years per turn, where the player controls the ethnic group as a whole. City-states woulde be around 50-25 years per turn, where the player controls the city states of their ethnicity, but loses control of the unincorperated tribal lands. In countries, the turns will probably range from 25-1 year(s) per turn, where the player controls one country of their ethnicity (i.e. if they were Germanic, they would choose between Germany and Great Britain). This is just a rough outline, but I have the map already done. If you give me your email, I can send it to you, I just don't want to post it on the wiki just yet. CourageousLife (talk) 23:44, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

I would be interested in pursuing either of these ideas. Like I said, this game would take place on an altered world, hence my map. I assume Initium Novum would take place on our world. Initium Novum sounds good, because I really don't have my ideas completely together yet on this game. You choice, and may the odds be ever in your favor.

CourageousLife (talk) 22:44, April 12, 2013 (UTC)

I realize that I miscommunicated - I knew that these would be two seperate ideas, mixing them would be a little challenging, I was just making the distiction that my proposal had an altered map, whereas your porposal would not. Also, I don't have my ideas fully fleshed out on the game I proposed, so I would endorse your proposal over mine.

CourageousLife (talk) 22:59, April 12, 2013 (UTC)

There are a few things that sucessful map games need to start.

Many map games are being created by new users that have little to no experience with this, so the first thing we need is to get endorsement from some reliable, older users. Hopefully, these users would be our mods, who actually know how to run the game. This could go as far as to say that, for more powerful nations, a certain edit count is required for the player to sign up, or be approved by the mods.

Next, we need a solid algorithm. Many algorithms allow for easy conquest of land, which gets to be very ASB. So, we need one similar to PMII, but retrofitted to meet the needs of this game.

Third, we need to get the word out. We can't start with only three or four people playing, we need some interest. So, we shouldn't start the game unless we have a certain number of players.

I think that these are the major points we need to hit if we're going to make Initium Novum sucessful.

CourageousLife (talk) 22:57, April 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * That lil' edit count thing being the deciding factors for players to play has been going out in my head. :D [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:44, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Sounds confusing, but I like it.

Also I believe we should throw out the algorithm for such a game.

17:51, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

I would probably want to play as the Indo-Aryans. So I probably might not get southern India when the nations reach modern day stage, but I'll probably have Iran, Afgan and Pakistan and Northern India under my control hopefully. I might actually join, but right now my contribution time is going down due to homework and school and cricket. :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:44, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

I am so sorry, I've been sick since Thursday and haven't had a chance to get on since then. What's it looking like right now? CourageousLife (talk) 13:51, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

I would say maybe Crim or Yank. Scraw and Imp are good additions. What else? CourageousLife (talk) 15:44, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

I like your ideas for the page. If you need some inspiration, check out National Information (Radioactive Tide Reloaded).I did this a while back with Scraw. Feel free to plagiarize it however you like. I'll get in touch with a couple more people to see if they're interested. Keep up with all of the hard work, and I thank you tremendously! CourageousLife (talk) 01:02, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

Isiro Revolution
Well, I'm not too sure about what would happen, but I'm sure at least Kivu would be glad to have a positive relationship with its neighbour to the north, something that won't happen with the pesky Mbias, and Buganda would definitely be interested in having a friendly Isiro that would allow them to get a hand over the Ankole and Busoga by joining their awesome [ dubious - discuss ] [ citation needed ] alliance. What do you have in mind for the revolution itself though? Fed (talk) 23:05, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

I'd say that Kivu would start off with only economic aid and smuggling of weapons, and eventually might invade or might just keep to the margins depending on the development. It would also be a convenient excuse to shoo warlords out of North Kivu, too. Fed (talk) 23:20, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

Battle for Earth: Prime...
May I use your nation the Centri Republic from the previous battle for earth map game in the new one as a background and/or mod controlled nation?

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 03:07, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

If you want to play as the Centri in this game that would be fine.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 03:41, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Technically it's both. Battle for Earth: Prime is the timeline and Battle for Earth Strikes Back! is the map game. What happens in one is considered canon in the other, provided that there are no contradictions.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 21:54, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

I noticed that you had made a map.

Honestly, I don't know if we can. Crimson set up a bunch of new rules in regard to the size of alien nations. I really hope he would get back to this, but I don't know if we can. Try asking Scraw for help. I can't edit images right now (touring colleges, that sort of thing), but he might be able to.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 22:12, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

Uh just to be clear, its already in it, I just made it on that last page because I wanted to make an easier way to get to the map game ok. ~

Hey! You do need which time period the map is referring to Guns! Otherwise it'll get confusing. Plus, do you live in Britain? :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 10:57, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, ok. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:39, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Map Contest
We seriously have to stop reading each other's minds! Your idea for King of the Hill is EXACTLY the same as mine! I'm starting from scratch again with another idea, though. :D

21:16, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

XD Damn straight I did! I downloaded the fonts for another project I'm undertaking and felt like using them because I got bored, lol.

02:35, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Ha, I thought you lived in Britain all this time! Good to know that someone else from here lives in this hellhole! :D

21:38, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it's a very nice hellhole, lol.

22:08, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

World - New York = post-apocalypse world XD

22:16, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Lordganon
Im TOB, i just left in the middle. I signed now EERYTHING IS OK Yay an Edit conflict (talk) 10:33, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

Switzerland
Anyway, this is the division of Switzerland in the Alpine Comfederation.

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Re:ASB Games
"Republic of United States" Laugh of the day.

And they took my state too!

Also, check out the recent fare of the Map Contest. Chris just defeated all other hopes, lol. Looks like Bfoxius is pulling out some random ASB and Scan is going for PMII colonization with a side of le OTL. Not surprised, actually.

04:23, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it's the story or the map that counts more. My guess is the map. Chris's map is clearly the best labeled and best changed, but Imp says he's got some really interesting story since you stole his (and mine) first idea and I stole his second idea. Kogasa, as usual, uses OTL 2013 borders, and Mafia's is just a Britain wank. So it looks like it'll be fair game between me, you, and Chris (possibly Imp), with the other contenders being Kogasa and Scan (possibly Bfoxius).

15:53, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Imp might have something interesting in store.

Lol, I just love sci fi fonts. I'm trying to find the font that was used in the Star Trek Into Darkness trailers.

21:05, July 19, 2013 (UTC)

Well, Chris is tying with me. Not surprised, really.

Lol, I've been watching that game with interest. Not sure if they really mean to play like that, or if they're just fooling.

21:28, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Pages
I am very new to this and don't quite understand how it works completely, I only put the "JFK survives" in there because its the only way I can identify my pages. Could you please help me make a different TL for me for my ironic and humorous pages. They are just parody pages, you can delete them if you'd like. David Goode

I have removed some of the dark and warped humor from the pages to make them more serious and have changed the TL's name to "History Retold", will this help?

--Dave Goode (talk) 09:11, July 18, 2013 (UTC)David

Way I figure it, it's fine now that he's made that change, Guns. Whole thing will be ASB, but definitely not the worst one of those. Lordganon (talk) 09:55, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

I've taken East Germany. Long Live Socialism!! Long live the Party!!! Seriously though, I would like to be a mod, I don't quite have 3,000 posts, but have been on almost a year and am plausable.Andr3w777 (talk) 12:36, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you XD
Thank you, Guns. To be honest, I was very surprised when Imp said I deserve the nomination. But, I promise I will work hardly for this wiki and for the users on it. :) FirstStooge (talk) 21:19, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Yea, its like the end of an era. The first era I have ever seen end on this wiki! I missed the ending of Mitro's era by like a couple months, so this is my first one! :O  Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:38, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Lol, well you and I have been around since 2011 - and I completed two years on the wiki (officially), so its not that far fetched. And I use whatever means is good - although I do tend to still use talkpages. And I dod check it out - 2 days ago in fact. I was helping lay down some rules for the game yesterday - setting the algorithim in the game. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:56, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Athough not specifically written into the TSPTF charter, it is an unspoken rule that TSPTF members are the ones to nominate other users up - not normal users. Yet it is not a big problem, and its good news. Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:50, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Haha. Mind reading, lol. Yea, but its pretty uncommon. Although you will see my vote. What are you on about, its still only 11:30pm where you are (if your still in India) lol. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:56, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, perhaps your mind reading is not limited to just me and Imp....very interesting. XD

22:34, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

That could be....interesting and dangerous...we should try to avoid that, lol.

17:30, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

And there was light!
Thanks, but no thanks. -Kogasa  2013 August 27, 18:12 (CET)

You told me to do both... Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:51, August 27, 2013 (UTC)

No thanks, I'm on my exchange year and I will only be coming online like once a week if that. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 15:47, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

Ishtar Mistik
Is it this: http://readanybooks.net/ScienceFiction/Asimov22/17544.html

ATWL
OK then. Let's start the game while we still can!

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Nah, he was just being Viva again. Turned out he was massively wrong.

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Battle for Earth
Hello,

You signed on as India in the Battle for Earth Strikes Back! Map game. As you may be aware, the game never started due to multiple circumstances. In order to meet everyone's needs, the game was delayed until September. I am putting the finishing touches on the page and the last thing to do is create the map for Earth. To do so, I need to know who's active and who isn't. If you are active, please notify me by Wednesday, September 11 or your nation will be opened up for a new player. Thank you for your patience. CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 20:00, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

Lol. Nope. Check out my latest thing on the discussion.

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Silly Guns. Neu Berlin is far from a third world nation or whatever. It's the strongest shit in Antillia.

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What do you mean?

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Horrible comparison. More like I got booted to Canada. Anywho, I negotiated peace with Viva, which just drops the score of my enemies to only gaining 30% of my land. Hooray for Viva! :D

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If you actually looked at Neu Berlin, you'd see that it contains OTL New York, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, and parts of Illinois, Quebec, Newfoundland, Ontario, and Labrador.

And yes, I too am glad to see Lurk. We need a few more sane heads around here.

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Are you trying to depress me more by linking Nickelback?

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I didn't MAKE him that. He CHOSE it.

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Well, correct me if I'm wrong but you menace to wreck my fleet back there in Saturn, so you can Imagine why I  put you in Hostile, (yet not on Enemies, my people don't see you as an enemy)   otherwise no trouble at all with your great civilization. Vincent Mackay (talk) 20:49, September 20, 2013 (UTC)

Ahh! well if that is the Case, I'll propose a Trading treaty, I'm puting you out of the Hostile space then!. - Vincent Mackay (talk) 22:01, September 20, 2013 (UTC)

Lol! well we could use some more Hidrogen if you have some to spare? - Vincent Mackay (talk) 22:10, September 20, 2013 (UTC)

Yup! We have plenty Gold Mines in our kingdom so, it is done! thank you for your time! - Vincent Mackay (talk) 22:19, September 20, 2013 (UTC)

Lol sorry. Consider them lower III and yourself upper III. Mostly because I was just trying to put more than one race/nation in each category.

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Guns, scraw has crossed out every post I have attacked the Prometheans in, so what exactly did you attack? Also, >:-( Bad Guns. What did I do to you? Mafia (talk) 07:42, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

Guns. I have literally no fleets there. read the turns I have been allowed. Mafia (talk) 14:05, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

Why did you even attack me? I mean seriously. Why? Mafia (talk) 14:12, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

Why not... I don't know, Warman and Oct. What did I do to you to warrant this. AKA. WHHHHYY guns, WHHYYYY Mafia (talk) 15:06, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

Would you like me to delete the pages you have blanked out? Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:12, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

I sended diplomats to try to stop you, and I have pushed you from my territory. I had to lose my Sol Fleets to do so though ;-( Mafia (talk) 15:15, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

Can you come on chat please? Mafia (talk) 15:15, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

But what IS your plan? Mafia (talk) 19:36, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

Hey guns, btw POST THE MOD EVENTS ALREADY!!!!!!!Ratc3333 Here, Prepare for Combat (talk) 00:03, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

SOA5 Nation Pages
Do you think we should include them? CommanderOfTheFourthReich 23:48, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

Seventh Galactic War
i'm here on my own without the the Grand Alliance consent, why the Meridians want to attack you? - Vincent Mackay (talk) 16:13, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry about the alliance... What was I supposed to do? Say 'No. I don't want to ally with people'? Mafia (talk) 18:14, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

I'd need some idea as too what you plan before I do that. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:17, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

I'll work on speeding it up. Why don't we talk about the alliance on chat? It'll be quicker than talk paging this. CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 00:16, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

Are we fighting against Scraw? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 02:49, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

I have no ideas for names, but I'm in on the war. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:19, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

What happened? CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 00:16, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

Also, I found an excellent image for the war:

I will help you, the Mechs need a reason to enter the war. The way some people are acting to the Mechs, it won't be long. I just want to take baby steps. We've got another forty years to go. CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 22:06, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

A space empire can't be overwhelmed in a matter of months. However, I'll see what I can do. CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 22:18, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

How so? What part of it has happened?

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Lol, who says it's not going to happen? >:D

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Some DD stuff
Check your and my talkpages Guns. You requested Lesotho be a part of NUSA (ages ago, however). You even wrote it on your article. And what is the problem with NUSA anyway? :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:36, October 2, 2013 (UTC)

You also left Isiro's fate in the balance and you haven't completed what happens to the nation yet - I am interested in its fate! Plus, could I work on the Lesotho article, mainly to do with NUSA stuff? :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:39, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

Lol, restricted access. And not really, I'm sorry. I don't really feel like playing SOA5. It is hard enough to try to play PMII as two major nations and join BFESB to play too. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:30, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

The Disaster of 1805 maps
about the map situation this weekend could you help e with them if you need a rough sketch or detailed information on differnces from OTL just tell me.

Nk

kk sounds goodNkbeeching (talk) 22:15, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

only one question is what ive written up until now plausible?Nkbeeching (talk) 22:48, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

Lol coming from you plz.

<span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#080808 45%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#ffffff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color=maroon face="Helvetica">"I can feel your anger.   <font color="#ff0000" face="Helvetica" title="Blog"> It gives you focus...makes you stronger."  22:34, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

Ooh, a DW one. How would be go about putting that in a lightsaber? Maybe I could try to make a TARDIS or some shit like that.

<span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#080808 45%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#ffffff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color=maroon face="Helvetica">"I can feel your anger.   <font color="#ff0000" face="Helvetica" title="Blog"> It gives you focus...makes you stronger."  22:36, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

Guns, I'm just trying to be plausible. The Mechs need a reason to join the war. The Dravimosians hate the Mechs and will likely attack me at some point. The way I figure, that's what would get me into this war. It'll probably be a few turns, but someone is going to attack me, I assure you. CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 00:55, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

Hi. There is a new game Colonial World and there are many good countries left. UK and Russia. Rcchang (talk) 02:08, October 7, 2013 (UTC)

um no but thanks for the effort ill end you a rough sketch tomorrow afternoon my time i cant now since im going out in 10 minutes, take your time and send me a map when you can no preassure. question what map did you use as an inspiration its good but not what i was looking for. the german situation in my timeline is similar to OTL after congress of vienna but with Prussia annexing Saxony again ill send the map tomorrow cya.

Nkbeeching (talk) 22:26, October 7, 2013 (UTC)

Miracle at marne started
Miracle at Marne has started &#35;LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 19:49, October 7, 2013 (UTC)

rough copies of 1820 maps for europe and the americas
these are the rough copies of roughly how europe would look like



ill work on the americanmap and post it in a bit

Nkbeeching (talk) 15:54, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

the red lines are areas in dispute between the states and New Spain / Mexico also new spain /MExico controls cuba, and puerto rico, along with all of central america except for panama which is under gran colombia's control and the british colonies that were already there



the south america map is a very rough  copy but i think the idea is clear, both suriname and british guyana are dutch, while the blacck line and up is new spain/Mexico  the lined areas are indispute or with little to no westernized population and the area that looks like Bolivia is known for the moment as lower peru while OTL Peru is known as upper peru.

Nkbeeching (talk) 16:28, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm
If I can get round to it, lol. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:34, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

Plus, Fed responded too! :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:12, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

Tomorrow lol. Right now I am just wandering through the website before I go to sleep. And I have a lot of DD articles to get round to, like a mountain. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 00:11, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

2Pac, I need to know what happened to him. Same with Eminem. The rest can be replaced, originals cannot. Imp (Say Hi?!) 00:16, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

And why you and me both work well on DD is probably because it is the biggest and best map game on the wiki. Imp (Say Hi?!) 00:21, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

Good point. I hate when people try to make it into a map game. You'll probably end up with a united North America and such shit. :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:55, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

Or that. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:12, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

RTFA Pages
I saw your comments on the 1983: Doomsday talk page. I reduced the population of Réunion to an estimated 520,000 people. What other things do you think need to be changed? Also what did you mean when you said "Umm what? That template doesn't exist" on Mayotte? Thanks for the help. Mscoree (talk) 01:02, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

'Don't Wear it Out'
Had never heard, or seen, that piece by Green Day until you posted that. The two have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Lordganon (talk) 12:33, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

Heh. All it is is an expression of annoyance that "LG" isn't what people first try to use. Often people say "Lord" or "Ganon" when trying to do a "short" form of my username, and it's always annoyed me. "Lord" being more annoying, mind. Lordganon (talk) 09:45, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

Right, lol. Lordganon (talk) 09:16, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Forward diplomacy
kievan revival...hmm...interesting Idea...INteresting Idea indeed...Most intriguing...please, do continue...Also, yes poland lithuania must go,,,-Lx (leave me a message) 23:37, October 13, 2013 (UTC)

I have heard of your plans. Be warned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B11s2NAjcl0

21:30, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

You fool! Did you not not see him? :P

<span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#080808 45%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#ffffff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color=maroon face="Helvetica">"I can feel your anger.   <font color="#ff0000" face="Helvetica" title="Blog"> It gives you focus...makes you stronger."  21:36, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

k, not sure if you're being sarcastic anymore or not.

And that's the actual DW font, you fool!

http://th03.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2012/070/5/5/doctor_who_2010_font_by_felix_kot-d4sfe2x.jpg

It's the font used in the "DW" TARDIS logo as well as the now retired "Doctor DW Who" logo.

<span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#080808 45%,#000000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#ffffff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color=maroon face="Helvetica">"I can feel your anger.   <font color="#ff0000" face="Helvetica" title="Blog"> It gives you focus...makes you stronger."  21:57, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

FINE, I'll change it to the Scrunifest Destiny. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:34, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Alternate 1921
I added a link to the section http://mapgame.wikia.com/wiki/An_Alternate_1921_(Map_Game)#Game_origins to state the coppy right to this wiki. I linked several others.Whipsnade (talk) 00:42, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

OK, I changed it a bit, mostly the Algo and time-frame and some like the fall of the USSR are original (by Batcon), I agree that directly cloning PMII is just like theft of an idea. Whipsnade (talk) 00:53, October 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * My main aim was to play Batcon's Fall of the USSR game and for proving that a better version of AvA could be done. Even if it's not plausible, it did not have the bile and feuding the AvA series did, so was better. Oh, and yes Solar Wars is in my view ASB. Let me know if you have any issues and I will go about adding links, etc.Whipsnade (talk) 01:13, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

I'm putting links and a copyright statement on these games, but I would prefer to strike out for new stuff or re-imagine them rather than have SdG steal them verbatim as clones. Whipsnade (talk) 00:53, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for saying it here, just did't want him seeing it over there.Whipsnade (talk) 00:53, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

Still didn't work  <span style="background-color:Dark_Blue; border:4px ridge Black;">Mafia (Questions?)  22:28, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

Map Game deportations
I was Googling about when I found a TSPTF blog on Althist were the mods were talking about moving map games to The Mapgame Wiki. They think it's all  VLR copy right theft by SdG or ASB stuff like Solar Wars. It would be beneficial to both wikis if they moved over all the hopelessly failed or ultra ASB games that are now hopelessly terminated. That way LG can have the type of game he likes and we can take on those he dose not along with the (in his opinion) implausible players. We would reboot them on our site with some changes to rules, algos and so on. Deal?

At least are game talk pages are not a bile filled troll-fests! Some of Althist did become such. Whipsnade (talk) 15:39, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

I was eying up-


 * 1) http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Warsaw_Pact_(Map_Game)
 * 2) http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Colonisation_Map_Game
 * 3) http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/US_Civil_War_Map_Game
 * 4) http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Human_Evolution_2.0_(Map_Game)
 * 5) http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Massive_Impact_(Map_Game) *
 * 6) http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/States_of_America_2_(Map_Game)
 * 7) http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Radioactive_Tide_(Map_Game) *
 * 8) http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Fractured_America_(Map_Game)
 * 9) http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Subterranean_Europe_(Map_Game)
 * 10) http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/What_is_Colonialism%3F_(Map_Game) *

.*= We would really love these and LG would probably love getting rid of them.Whipsnade (talk) 17:13, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

Invitation
You are invited to a game on the wiki, Alternate Nations 2, where you make nations turn-by-turn, until you fill up the map. Then we will pick a new map. It is a great casual thing/time waster to do on the wiki. Thanks, Yawgmoth, Lord of the Wastes

Just send him some supplies and military stuff, that should cover it. Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:17, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

Surprise surprise! As soon as I figure out how to add colour into MP's sig, you use the almost same colours for your sig. And that purple is probably because you used an extra "colour" in the coding. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:13, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

Would you like different colours for your sig instead of those to make it stand apart? :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:17, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

Red?! Imp (Say Hi?!) 00:24, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

I could do black if you wish. Interested? Imp (Say Hi?!) 00:31, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, for black to work this has to be done:

<font color="#000000">(Dammit, Guns!)

This looks like this in use: <font color="#000000">(Dammit, Guns!). Don't worry on the link not working - it links to your talkpage. It will work when you insert it into your signature. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 13:54, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

Re:FrankenMapGame
Bueno. I will gladly help as a mod, should you require assistance. CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 00:09, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

VLR II is being deleted and sorry, I went a bit...
Yeh, what I said on the other wiki was a bit much. I deleted the bad comments and chat thread. What ever, VLR II is now deleted. Pax? I am doing a Cold War game that is original and Solar Wars is original despite it's ASB. Well that's all bye. Whipsnade (talk)

Yes, it's OK, Alternate 1921 and 3 others were noted as to were they come from. It just that VLR was a direct coppy, that all. I think it's all resolved now.

Oh, and yes TVA is ASB and original.Whipsnade (talk) 22:24, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

Cthulhu Sleeps
I don't know if you saw already, but we've been listing monsters on the talk page based on location so that we can easily decide what appears where. If you want I can write the first few turns and the initial outbreak, just tell me how long turns are and when the initial outbreak takes place. Thanks, Mscoree (talk) 23:47, October 27, 2013 (UTC)

Also here's a possible base map.

Mscoree (talk) 01:58, October 28, 2013 (UTC)

I thought it had a start already? 1864?

Sounds like a lot of people are anxious to have the monsters come sooner later than later. It might be interesting if we have them come on the first or second year so we can get right into the action. Regardless I already have the initial monster outbreak moderator event written. Mscoree (talk) 22:31, October 28, 2013 (UTC)

Here are the moderator events I wrote so far, on my sandbox. Mscoree (talk) 23:37, October 28, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, I was wondering if I could apply to be a mod for Cthulu Sleeps. I know that I don't have the required 3k edits but I do have about 2.25 edits, and I do have experiance being a moderator, and I'm an experiance map maker. That and I'm a big fan of the Cthulu Mythos and have read The Call of Cthulu, A Shadow out of Time, and I'm over half done with The Case of Charles Dexter Ward, also as you can see, my avatar is Cthulu. Daxus Inferno (talk) 02:17, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

I made a few proposals for the rules on the rules talk page. Please consider adding them. Thanks, Mscoree (talk) 02:32, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

Alrighty then.

Its the large blue African tribe who's name I don't know. Daxus Inferno (talk) 20:19, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Missouri, Pirates
Rosecrans Air National Guard Base, just on the other side of the river from St. Joseph, was hit. At a minimum, the city suffered extensive damage.

Something to do with the Pony Express or Jesse James?

Pirates, no way.

Lordganon (talk) 10:06, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, Tupac would be screwed.

Eminem would have been in urban Detroit. Dead.

Lordganon (talk) 09:30, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

Nordic Survival has officialy begun. DS|The Rainbow Machete 17:21, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

You sig puts it nicely. DAMMIT GUNS! Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:07, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

I will, after the OTL stops and the monsters start. Next turn, I guess.

21:18, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Guns. Have a look at this: Important map thingy. It will be on a significantly less scale, but you will need to rethink much of what you have to write about. Chat? I need Local on too. Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:19, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

That is what the Praetorians call their creators. They have nothing to do with the Dalexi.

"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 22:01, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re:File Issue
You came to the right person, though I have to say that this is out of my control. I've been noticing the same thing across the site, and I believe Wikia is either having issues or there is maintenance going on either way, it shouldn't last forever, so give it a few days and see if it's fixed. Terribly sorry for the inconvenience. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 23:28, November 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * I know, but I can understand. I uploaded a few files and this is bugging me as well. XP --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 23:31, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

If you'd like me to, I have no problem doing so. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 23:42, November 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * No problem. Already taken care of. Wish you luck. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 23:44, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

In response to your english homework:
Rock will never die. Good grief... look at all the new releases coming out.... seriously doctor, I 'aint gonna die...

David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk) 18:04, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuWZmk8cnEY 45.... not out.]

I Know
Gurkani Alam is where. If I am wrong then I am absolutely gutted XD  Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:06, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Damn it. The movie? And I dunno :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:16, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Not my decision. Find out who did, I need to have a chat with them. Imp (Say Hi?!) 13:42, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

In service day today. So a day off.

Well that will need to be changed. And I am not sure about his so called European abilities for the TL. I would rather get LG or one of the DD guys for that. Imp (Say Hi?!) 13:52, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Duplicating again?
You have recently uploaded a second duplicate since the last time I've mentioned this to you.


 * File:Flag of Russian Empire for private use (1914–1917).svg.png → File:Flag of Russian Empire for private use (1914–1917).svg

Please do not let this happen again. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 00:16, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Holy Russian Empire
I have an idea. For Azeropedagon how about it goes something like this: the HRE issues an ultimatum demanding that Azeropedagon join the Holy Russian Empire in 1958 and Azeropedagon complies under the circumstances that the Shah becomes a duke, and the region is given greater autonomy.

Sound good?

BTW the Caucusus is a mountainous region rich in oil and metals, so it would probably be an industrial sector.

Daxus Inferno (talk) 01:44, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

As autonomous I was thinking like civil law and ability to keep the Azeri language as the secondary language of the state and have autonomy similiar to what America has for its states, or Quebec for Canada.

Please don't quit... O.O. PLEEEAAASSSSEEEE!!!!!!!!!!! Mafia CBA doing his signature. Don't judge Him. This Sig is inspired by Guns. 07:07, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Was that desperate enough? Good. Can you come back now? We can probably get it graduated, Imp is on your side, and I am. So, come back?

If it is plausible later on, will you join again? Mafia CBA doing his signature. Don't judge Him. This Sig is inspired by Guns.

Feud swung support - so I think your argument is invalid. You know what - lemme work on the basics first and then I'll let you handle everything else. That Video gaming section still needs to be completed XD  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:29, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the link
Thank you for the link. Enclavehunter (talk) 20:40, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Oh Nah
I'm not exactly sure what article you're talking about. Mscoree (talk) 19:51, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

RE: TSPTF
I'd be honored (I think). What do I need to do? CourageousLife (talk) 02:50, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Leaving
Just popped on for a moment, I am 'away' until christmas, in as much as I don't have my kindle or computer, but I have my Phone, so will be on sometimes. Not 'leaving' so much as toning it down until post Christmas/New Year. My Parents blame the wiki people (you guys) for an 'unfortunate' incident.

can i be a mod on Axis vs Allies? DS|The Rainbow Machete 20:29, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Sure, I'll be a mod. Can you add my name? Enclavehunter (talk) 21:04, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Done. :) Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:33, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

No problem at all. :D Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:35, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Can you get MP to check his talk page? I need back on chat Mafia CBA doing his signature. Don't judge Him. This Sig is inspired by Guns. 21:00, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

China and japan
um guns you do remember we agreed id get free reign in China and the east indies if i left your colonies alone and supported any actions against the russians. i dont plan on detryong china, only debilitating them enough to seccure japanese supremacy over china. Nkbeeching (talk) 20:50, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Might be wrong, but I was in Rome. We were attacking MOckt. Not Daxus. I'm not in Canada.

First mention of Ninja, that I can see, he was going to defend MOckt. He was then in Vancouver with Dax. This movie needs proof reading, lol.

Out of Town
I'll be out of town until Sunday. Can you post as France in AvA until I get back? Do whatever you want/need to do. Thanks CourageousLife (talk) 16:13, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

Understood. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:08, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

Human History Experiment
I'd like to invite you to my new Map Game, Human History Experiment. It takes place on an unknown landmass, and if it can stay plausible will eventually move through 6000 years of human history.Wegscuba (talk) 02:52, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

Sure, you can mod. go ahead and sign upWegscuba (talk) 23:18, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

Novel Projects
Just so you know, Lordganon has deleted the Novel Projects page, and has now copy and pasted it to a forum post for some reason, that only he can edit. I've temporarily moved the page here, which will serve as the official page for now, as opposed to the one Lordganon is now claiming ownership over. Mscoree (talk) 15:25, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

Why not

- TOB

Brazil and Argentina Ava
Guns what the hell you told me I had to do another algo why are you crossing out my shit when you specifically told me I needed another damn algo. Please get back to me cause now I'm totally confused. I did an algo I won. You then told me it'd take more than that so I did another algo and now you've crossed it out what the hell The Unchallenged Conqueror #FP (Talk to Me)

More importantly do I control Argentina now I need some clarification your literally not bring clear at all on what I need to be doing

Hmm
Guns, if you had asked me at the start of the month, I would have been up for seeing it. However, I feel there is no point in that happening now I'm afraid. :)  Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:51, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

Do Americans not have Movember? Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:24, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Hahaha. I wonder how flag, car and planet avatars will cope. XD  Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:29, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

AvA
Sorry, totally forgot. I'm gonna get right on it CourageousLife (talk) 21:58, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

Can Norway be part of the allies please. Can you help me destroy sweeden. Oct is really pushing my buttons and pissing me off with trying to attack me and stuff. He is being a child even though he is 13 years old. Ever since I started this game all oct wants to do is take over my country of Norway. So, can you help me take over Sweeden for me. With him out the game will be a lot better. ShadowKnights1234 (talk) December 8, 2013 1:53 PM (EST)

Starting Location
You have not yet picked a starting location for your nation in Human History Experiment. To do so, go to the Maps page, and follow the directions there. the game begins on December 7th. Wegscuba (talk) 21:46, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

Weird, no?
EoGuy (talk) 01:00, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

More about me
Go to qrz.com and enter my amateur radio call sign - K1ATV.

Bil

EoGuy (talk) 01:12, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

ATV Net
We have a HAM TV net online tonight starting at 7:00 PM MST 0200 UTC.

batc.tv

atv repeaters

If W7ATN is streaming

Highlight it and

Click on View Stream.

Also on Sunday night at the same time.

EoGuy (talk) 01:54, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

The Czech invasion of Hungary is a complete farce. Austria is not an ally of the Czechs, but of Hungary, and currently engaged in full out war against Czechs. Also motive is wrong among other things. Could you redo the algo please. DS|The Rainbow Machete 04:49, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Human History
Human History Experiment has begun. Wegscuba (talk) 01:46, December 9, 2013 (UTC)

Uruguay
Guns in 1941 i got uruguay, your not paying attention and then you come in and keep jackign around with the turns. Hope off, its seriously getting on my nerves all the targeting you deciding to do on me, Venezuela is fine cause thats warranted, but i have Uruguay, Paraguay, and Argentina fully and its been verified by MP. i dont understand your problem with me but it stops here. The Unchallenged Conqueror #FP (Talk to Me)

I have taken over the Dominion of South Africa. I would like to add the other British colonies bordering me to be added to South Africa, would you please cede them to me? I am your Dominion, so now they will count for you and not as a problem during a future Anglo-Nazi War. I am your Dominion after all. DS|The Rainbow Machete 03:37, December 14, 2013 (UTC)

new algo im developing
m developing a new algo for a ma`game ill be startign, id like to know your opnion on the initial idea.

Nkbeeching (talk) 00:18, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * really dont like leavinga person in charge of war resolving by choice
 * but a mod would conrtrol this
 * this is the first idea i will work it out this week and once i jhave the map game ready will post it there
 * the first part would be trench warfare
 * based on how many turns you built up your defences alonga certain line you get a scale of 1 to 5 bonus, from there yo take into acount a number for troops morale, supplies, and allies fighting along ide you
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:05 Local Mafia Boss But what about Blitzkrieg?
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:05 Nkbeeching numbers will count less on a singular battle algo due to it being trench warfare, however on a larger scale each battle will take its toll and if you cant reinforce the lines at a certain point you will be forced to withdraw
 * that comes with the development of tanks
 * once tank tech is developed the trench warfare algo will become obsolete and a new algo will take its place
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:06 Local Mafia Boss But they had Tanks on the Somme
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:06 Nkbeeching this way we dont have small countries collapsing at once at the start of wars in the first world war if they are prepared until they cant fight anymore
 * its just to try this out i know there are partiularities in history
 * tanks will be allowed in 1916 and onwards once you have large production of tanks you will be able to cancel the trench bonus and the number and tanks bonus will prove an adcantage
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:08 Monster Pumpkin alright
 * I should go
 * later
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:08 Nkbeeching alright
 * you like what you read mp?
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:09 Monster Pumpkin about what
 * Mscoree has joined the chat.
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:09 Nkbeeching my idea for a new type of algo system forr my map game
 * hey ms
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:09 Mscoree Hello
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:09 Monster Pumpkin oh
 * so far
 * Ms
 * can you help me with Germany's navy again
 * if possible
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:09 Mscoree MP it's interesting that you'd name a ship after a famous aircraft pilot
 * usually ships are (if named after people) named after admirals or people involved in maritime stuff
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:10 Nkbeeching its to try and balance things out and favor certain sides in different periodds of war fare
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:10 Monster Pumpkin well
 * it is an aircraft carrier
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:10 Nkbeeching terrain would also form a part of the algo
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:10 Monster Pumpkin so I based it off of that
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:10 Mscoree Okay that's true
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:10 Monster Pumpkin and I don't think Zepplin was an admiral
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:10 Nkbeeching can you give me your opinion ms?
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:11 Monster Pumpkin alright
 * Ms
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:11 Mscoree @NK Sure on what
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:11 Monster Pumpkin if you can help with the U-boats, that would be freat
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:11 Mscoree Okay
 * I'll take a look
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:11 Monster Pumpkin but if not, that is fine
 * but I should go
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:11 Nkbeeching also up joining a maap game ill be starting in afteri go to canada
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:11 Monster Pumpkin later everyone
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:11 Mscoree Bye
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:11 Nkbeeching read up top
 * see ya mp
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:12 Mscoree About terrain in algorithms?
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:12 Nkbeeching a bit further top
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:12 Mscoree the thing about tanks and trenches?
 * Monster Pumpkin has left the chat.
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:13 Nkbeeching i want to try and experiment with a new type of algo were industry and population have a greater importane on war effort or grand scale
 * whle a sort of mini algo takes care of individua battles
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:13 Mscoree wait, there were 1,250 U-boats in WW2 lol
 * I hope MP doesnt want me to list them
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:13 Nkbeeching yes that the one
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:13 Mscoree That's an interesting idea
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:13 Nkbeeching im still fleshing it out
 * Daeseunglim has joined the chat.
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:14 Nkbeeching will have something ready for next week when i start the map gamr
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:14 Mscoree What would the master algorithm determine if the mini one is for battles?
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:14 Daeseunglim Ms: sry bout confusing u!!!
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:14 Nkbeeching chance and do the calculations
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:14 Mscoree but if you win the main algorithm what happens?
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:14 Daeseunglim With my pg in DD-1983
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:15 Mscoree @Dae no problem it's fine. When I first say it I thought you had renamed my page lol
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:15 Nkbeeching well for instance if the grand scale algo which would be based on populace morale, how much population you have and your industrial level
 * it would determine how long you can fight out a wwar before collapsing
 * Daeseunglim has left the chat.
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:16 Mscoree @Nk what I mean is, it doesn't make sense to have a main algorithm that determines if you win the war, then have mini algorithms for battles. Someone could win the main algo then lose every battle
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:16 Nkbeeching if you are able to win sufficient mini algos you may earn a victory before you are out of time
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:16 Mscoree Oh I see
 * Nice
 * So the main algorithm just sets the clock
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:16 Nkbeeching ao
 * something like that
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:16 Mscoree and you have to win enough mini ones before time runs out
 * I like it
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:16 Nkbeeching yeah
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:16 Mscoree Although, wouldn't some circumstances speed up clock?
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:16 Nkbeeching each victory you get modifies your own war effort algo result
 * yes
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:17 Mscoree Like if the enemy starts occupying/destroying your industry I'd imagine time ticks a bit faster
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:17 Nkbeeching well if you lose parts of youee land that are heavily industrilaized
 * you lose that from your score and a new time is set
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:18 Mscoree Sounds like a cool idea
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:18 Nkbeeching alls if your population is dying alot and you cant replace front line troops you lose score as well
 * i know
 * i hope it works
 * morale of populace is also important component to grand strategy algo
 * if your population is tired and unwilling to fight revolution
 * or you are fored to sue for peace
 * basicly its to balance things out
 * and give some countries a fighting chance
 * it also allows for allies to backstab one another and gain a major advantage early on in a war
 * for instance if a neighbor overuns an unprepared fromtier they will push up to a certain point before a defensive line is set up
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:20 Mscoree Yeah that solves the problem of the Vietnam War in a map game. In any map game right now if the US made an algorithm against North Vietnam they would win by many points, but yet in OTL they lost the war.
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:20 Nkbeeching basicly same as otl
 * yup
 * also for instance austria invading serbia
 * etc
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:20 Local Mafia Boss That is pretty cool
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:21 Nkbeeching but like i said it would be complicated and i need to see how to incoperate it
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:21 Local Mafia Boss So if, say, Britain invaded France, or visa versa, they would not hold it long?
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:21 Nkbeeching well it depends
 * im only started on land warfare
 * havent began naval and amphibious algos
 * but yeah basicly
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:22 Local Mafia Boss As in, you can't invade slowly bit by bit to remove the Recent wars section?
 * Because the timer would run out
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:22 Nkbeeching well recent wars would affct populatin morale
 * if they win it will be high if they lost or suffered large casualties it will be mild to low
 * and if you have alarge advantage the war will end quickly
 * if you dont have an advantage due to defensivve bonuses
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:23 Local Mafia Boss You should have Guerrilla war
 * And it lasting longer depending on factors
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:24 Nkbeeching you could either be drawn into a long bloody war or a defensive counter attack
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:24 Local Mafia Boss Like... Wars between the nations
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:24 Nkbeeching i know i will work on tht l ater
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:24 Local Mafia Boss So if Britain annexed France, they would be unable to hold it very long
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:24 Nkbeeching guerilla will most likely be based on a simple equation
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:25 Local Mafia Boss As guerilla would be ongoing
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:25 Nkbeeching how many troops the occupiers have availblr in the region and a random number
 * all of it no
 * but a part for sure if they hold it down with enough troops
 * but that would al
 * add to war timer in a negative way if your at war
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:26 Local Mafia Boss Hang on
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:26 Nkbeeching ok
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:26 Local Mafia Boss I have an idea
 * Say Britain annexes France
 * And then tries to invade Germany
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:27 Nkbeeching they wwould become overstretched in that case
 * and they would not be able to reinforce their lines
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:27 Local Mafia Boss They should get a negative points thing for the timer because they are fighting from a region they do not properly control
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:27 Nkbeeching if they fail to initially win then they will slowly be pushed back
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:27 Local Mafia Boss Like the Germans against the Russians
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:27 Nkbeeching yes thats part of it
 * but for instace if you occupy a region that is oppressed by the enemy then you will be supported by them instead of resisted
 * atleast as long as they support you
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:29 Local Mafia Boss Yea
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:29 Nkbeeching forinstance if the americans hold onto a liberated france that has been ravaged by germany they will initially be recieved as liberators
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:29 Local Mafia Boss But when Germany is defeated
 * France would expect the USA to withdraw
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:29 Nkbeeching it could hhappen earlier
 * if the americans treat french like crap the french could revolt
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:30 Local Mafia Boss Well, yeah
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:30 Nkbeeching amking it harder fr the americans to fight and giving germans a chance to retake lost land
 * like i said you can either have a swft victory or grueling slug fest
 * and if you get involvved in costly war you wont be able to fight another war for a few years
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 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:31 Nkbeeching not without collapsing
 * hey survivor
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:31 Survivor321 Ello
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:31 Mscoree Hello
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:32 Nkbeeching so what does everyone think?
 * Bfoxius has joined the chat.
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:32 Mscoree Hi Bfox
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:32 Nkbeeching bf hey
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:32 Mscoree I think it's a very good idea
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:32 Bfoxius Hello everyone
 * Any updates on YS?
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:33 Local Mafia Boss I think it is a good idea
 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(156,156,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">8:33 Nkbeeching each war period will have a different mini algo
 * with the only thing remaining the same being manpower and terrain
 * other aspects would become idfferent

this is for my own map game only Nkbeeching (talk) 19:23, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Guns, I can add your 50 republics. I may add it to a seperate map though. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 19:39, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

South Africa will stay in the Commonwealth, but on the terms that you will send at least 3 million non blacks to South Africa, help South Africa reduce the population by sending troops to help, and that you agree to, when you withdraw from your African colonies, they are made vassals of South Africa and Commonwealth members. In return i will grant major economic incentives. DS|The Rainbow Machete 17:29, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

Essentially, South Africa will grant you exclusive trade rights, military bases, and a permanent never breakable alliance.

DS|The Rainbow Machete 17:39, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

scratch the part about your colonies, youve already given me the ones i wanted. But i need non black settlers, from India or your Arabian colonies would be great. DS|The Rainbow Machete 18:12, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

AvA
i cant im going tomorrow, im leaving my posting in the hands of feudal for tomorrow and satruday i should be posting again on sunday, control how he does my turn ive left very strict instruction no diplo actions, no usage of nukes and wmd just research ,and the war in korea and china.

also impossible japan is already involve in a major action against korea and china anything more and its overextension but diplomatic and economic support japan can provide Nkbeeching (talk) 22:14, December 19, 2013 (UTC)

Can you ask someone to unblock me on chat. I honestly asked for the permanent ban, not to write some random offensive messages-Ismael777

um what do i post on britain, andi dont quite have that much time on my hands im doing a few other things right now i wont be that free until the 5th f jan if youve noticed my posts are bare minimum on ava, i can post as britain but they would be very basic.Nkbeeching (talk) 14:52, December 27, 2013 (UTC)

Hi. It has come to my attention that if I warn you of Ms's plan, it will really annoy Ms. As such, I am telling you. They are going to destroy you, and the Ottomans. Get Imp to ally with you, and they are screwed. Hopefully this ruins Ms's plan, and I can lol. Thank you for reading. Mafia CBA doing his signature. Don't judge Him. This Sig is inspired by Guns. 16:57, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

I don't even know what the map is remotely supposed to look like. No knowledge of world 1400. My job is just editing it once it's done.

19:14, January 4, 2014 (UTC)

My skype should be on my user page if you need to contact me in private. CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 00:44, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

S told me about it, along with some other suspicions he acquired from various sources. I've looked into the matter somewhat. Please contact me if you have information regarding this. CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 03:48, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

There's not, he was just contacting me about one of the long-dead games. CourageousLife (talk) 23:48, January 15, 2014 (UTC)

Hi. I have news. Major news. I will tell you in chat, if I am online

Congrats on 6k. And what on earth is local saying now? Imp (Say Hi?!) 00:12, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

Situation
I am just saying what Imp told me. IDK what the rest is. Fed has no basis to block me on, and I think it will be all over fairly soon anyway. That's how I see it.

--

Guns, I wanted to clear up a lingering question that has remained in my mind for a little while, since our last conversation, at least. In PM3, are you interested in putting Poland-Lithuania (which will end up expanding into OTL west Russia and Bohemia) in a Personal Union with the ruler of Scandinavia (note: I did not say Kalmar :D !!!), which would operate identically to Germany under Andr3w and Callum, where we each control our own respective lands?

I think this resolves your interest to have P-L "in federation" with or a vassal to Scandinavia. We would want to make an alliance in the first turn, in that case, and then proceed with your conquest of some northern German states and my conquest of Bohemia, followed by jointly taking out Russia.

Ideas? Objections? Suggestions? 03:46, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

TSPF Nomination
Hello. Recently, I've decided to try to nominate for a Constable due to you being one of the major contributors to the wiki at the moment, having a history on the wiki, contributing to a wide range of projects on the wiki, and being a great moderator of arguments and overall helpful. I was wondering if you'd accept. I'll try not to not nominate you if you accept like I did with Scraw. Yawgmoth, Lord of the Wastes

Banning Reasons
But that wouldn't be a honest reason for banning, now would it? You weren't banned for a noble reason, you were banned for spamming squirrels (whether that is a noble reason is up to everyone's interpretation, hence the quote marks). Fed (talk) 01:40, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

You were kicked for my squirrel law, you were banned for spamming squirrels. Your ban is over by now anyways. Fed (talk) 22:35, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

Well then your protest failed. Miserably. Fed (talk) 22:42, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

re:No, Actually
I made it, but LG shot the broadcasting network down. I'll revise it at some point. Regarding an Lt nomination, that would be lovely, but I would like to gague any semblance of support I'd have over chat first. Ms came to me about a BFE wiki too. I will certainly consider it, though we shouldn't neglect Prime. That's all the wiki needs: one more abandoned TL. CrimsonAssassin- I have special eyes 02:16, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

Re: PM3
Soirry I missed day 1, I sort of forgot what date it was...anyway, can you tell me why this whole muscovy invasion is happening, because it seems that lithuania is getting muscovy... AND FOR SOME REASON PSKOV!!!-Lx (leave me a message) 13:36, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Hey, you wrote : ''"We're freeing your nation and putting you in command of Muscovy tomorrow." ''That's you, not me...anyway, gib independant and some muscow(best-case scenario) and I am happy...-Lx (leave me a message) 19:54, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Insert Random Musical Genre
Created the Isiro War page. As soon as you can please discuss plans on talk page, mmkay? Fed (talk) 02:56, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

Wait a Sec!
Apparently Venice will join our side! Woop woop! :)  Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:50, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

Ok so the other mods ruled my control over the UNC implausible so they are now in civil war with one another. I want to war on Norway and take Iceland and as much of Norway as I can, before I do that however, I'd like you to set up the algorithm. I have never really been good at it, and everytime I do it I mess it up. I want to see if the Kingdoms of Greater Albion ( Desmond, Ulster, England, Wales, Dublin, and Scotland) can defeat the Norwegeans.Bowties are Cool (talk) 13:49, February 18, 2014 (UTC)

Yunnan-Hubei-Guangxi
Do you really think Yunnan, Huibei, and Guangxi could realistically beat the PRC and liberate Gansu?

Canuck2012 (talk) 01:26, March 9, 2014 (UTC)Canuck2012

Re: Re: Huh!
I don't know, Guns, it is just I can not fully trusting them. (-_-")

I know that I have no authority to forbide them from making any contribution or joining this wiki. But, I will keep my eyes on them.

FirstStooge (talk) 01:12, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

Axis vs Allies R-word (Map Game) []


The Central African Federal Republic wishes to open friendly relations with you

Algo Help
Hey, so I have no idea how to do an algo. My most recent attempt has gotten me .15 over 0, is that supposed to happen?What is this????Is this a signature??? (talk) 01:14, March 21, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot to tell you that I'm pretty sure I figured it out. It was for PM3 and it was the Cuzco War for expansion.What is this????Is this a signature??? (talk) 14:23, March 22, 2014 (UTC)

Chat
Please come on chat. Local Mafia Boss (Talk) (Blog)

^ Local Mafia Boss (Talk) (Blog)

MS
Much obliged for the support. You are right, fyi - their Latin "knowledge" is only smoke and mirrors. Lordganon (talk) 11:37, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

I've been reconsidering and I haven't made up my mind but in the meantime you are welcome to Ayutthaya, I'm attempting to unift it and Sukhotthai. In addition you are first choice to take China if I do leave due to the fact you have proven yourself as a decent as reliable player. Scandinator (talk) 14:54, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

Facepalm
If you have any bright ideas the next time you are on chat, remember this. Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:49, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Did you click on the link? Next time be more cautious when you have any plans you may want to discuss with allies. Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:35, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

I see. Just be careful the next time. Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:57, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Sure.

18:10, April 5, 2014 (UTC)

TSPTF
*shrug*

I do feel that I am under-qualified for the task, but if you do nominate me, I will accept. PitaKang- My Life for Aiur! En Taro Tassadar 19:13, April 5, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Adminship
Just do what you are think right. :)

FirstStooge (talk) 22:03, April 5, 2014 (UTC)

Um sure, thanks. That is a mite bit surprising.[http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User:Andr3w777 ALLONS-Y! ] (Basically, RUN!) 22:37, April 5, 2014 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for the offer. I would gladly accept if nominated. ChrisL123 (talk) 03:00, April 6, 2014 (UTC)

Forgive my initial shock, yes I would absolutely love to have the honour of being nominated and would humbly accept if vetted. Thanks again for the offer( now that the initial shock has worn off lol)[http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User:Andr3w777 ALLONS-Y! ] (Basically, RUN!) 14:20, April 6, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Deletion
Put the list on my talkpage - I'll delete em all. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 12:47, April 8, 2014 (UTC)

Game of Thrones
Hey, is the Game of Thrones game still going? I noticed that House Baratheon remains untaken. I'd take it, if the game is still planned to start.

16:13, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

Yea, you need to tell us about the Game. I think I might become the one with the most titles in the brass - traditionally one of the other brass members gives you the name - but you can change or add to it. That is what I will do - squirrevolution bane. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:48, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I see. When you had said Robert's rebellion - I thought of Robb's Rebellion - which is actually the War of the 5 Kings (as I found out). So good King Aerys is still in power? Goddamit - how am I going to get the PTWP without starting up the rebellion? R+L=J *wink* *wink*  Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:01, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

Chat
we can see your messages on chat g greg e   (talk)  23:04, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

More GoT
Goddamit, I have no clue what I was thinking. I meant Aerys lol, although he was definately not a good King. Say if he dies somehow, meets an unfortunate demise... Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:08, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

How? I find that theory to be legit. And to be honest - the Golden Company will not be enough. The Stormlands itself can host an army of 25,000. And I hope that Ramsey is killed in whatever is happening in Winterfell (many think it could be the northern lords and Mance have organised their own Red Wedding/Dinner). And Jon is going to become a Stark - THE LORD OF WINTERFELL. Although he needs to survive first. :L  Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:20, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

Are you serious? Dorne is in love with the Targaryens (currently). The North doesn't really care as long as they can still rule as they have for the last ~300 years. No one really likes the Blackfyres Guns. And there are no surviving heirs either. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:27, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

I guess we may never have a Robert's Rebellion. And Guns:

"Black or red, a dragon is still a dragon".

You never know, Rhaegar might just be sensible enough to get you home. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:35, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

Shit. Imp (Say Hi?!) 00:22, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

I forgot, a rare thing. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 00:22, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

Chat Issues
Can still see your messages on chat g greg e   (talk)  00:34, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

I can see. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 01:09, April 17, 2014 (UTC)

re:UNC
It's a consolidated government, the UNC is a retarded name for a nation, and the university that I'm going to next semester is called UNC. I'm going to get too damn confused. Bananananananana BAT-CRIM 21:37, April 19, 2014 (UTC)

I unified it more. And do you know how hard it is to ctrl+f for that short name? Bananananananana BAT-CRIM 22:42, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

Don't make me stab you lol Bananananananana BAT-CRIM 02:00, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

Webcomic
You know the webcomic you used to refer to? Click the Red button below the picture. Local Mafia Boss (Talk) (Blog)

BFE?
I believe you mentioned something about BFE.

Well, shoot.

"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 00:18, April 24, 2014 (UTC)

New timeline would be redundant. Best option I see is to take the good ideas from this game and simply mesh them into the one we have going already.

"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 00:35, April 24, 2014 (UTC)

Insults
Dont insult me on a public page. you got a problem? one on one me. THere is no need to be an ass. THis discussion has already been made. I wont argue the Aztecs defense once again. Once the mods realized i was right, they just gave me events instead. I wont waste my breath. Look in the archives and you will find the debates. -$

Things Said on Chat
The new turn doesn't start for another 26 minutes (8:00 PM EST).

Feud says don't fix that algo.

Tr0llis (talk) 23:36, April 27, 2014 (UTC)

PMIII
Almighty and glorous guns, our nations will be coming in contact this turn and i was wondering if you would consider opening up a trade post to Alexandria, my nation? In exchange, as you have already reached Oman, I can guide your ships all the way to the Med in exchange for such a port, and give you access to the Mediterranian Sea to increase your trade and technology g greg e   (talk)  22:11, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

Sounds good, Im extremely interested in aquiring a trade post (less than 5px?) at OTL Singapore if possible within the next 3-5 years. And I can actually let you into the Med through the Philadelphi Canal.

I understand its not important, but it still has the perfect geographical location to assit me in trading with your whole nation and bringing prosperity to the area. Im still interested in aquiring it. g greg e  (talk)  22:39, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

That sounds like a good starting point then. So what you use be asking for in return then? g greg e  (talk)  23:48, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

Would you like to begin to make a treaty for it (i plan on making contact with you during this next turn). g greg e  (talk)

Well if you want access through the Philadelphi Canal youd have to sign the Compact of Philadelphi

When you said part of the city did you mean actual pixels or just a trading post? g greg e  (talk)  18:18, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

Im interested in actually taking control (maybe slowly over a period of time) the isle of Singapore. Im willing to compensate you considerably (ie technology, trade, or whatever you can think of which may help/save you down the road from some nation you called pesky less than a week ago who you know would be interested in taking you. g greg e   (talk)  22:19, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

| Final Draft? Sign if good if not let me know on a message on my talk page g greg e   (talk)  22:58, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

Could you sign the Compact if you agree to it? Glad to business with you g greg e   (talk)  00:51, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

PM3
That'd be great. I was just offering so I'm not all "Hey, give me this for nothing in return" haha Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 23:07, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

I'm still here...just silently observing. I am in chat every day but you're never there when I am.

23:21, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

Use doc. Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:53, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

We need to get our bloodshed approved. Round 2 'gainst LG perhaps? Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:59, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

come on to chat
need to discuss things with you With Blood and Iron (talk) 22:53, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

i have an interest in aquiring a post in the east indies to secure trade further east and to protect my interests i wont fight you to many other powers want the region and i can gain fair more benificial resources elsewere in the world securing an ally in the east takes priority. With Blood and Iron (talk) 23:00, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

iwant sunda as a whole and the molucca islands permit me these territories and i wont touch the rest of your empire. i only really want those areas to recreate the pearl of the orient batavia. With Blood and Iron (talk) 23:07, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

no i dont want the whole island i only want the area of sunda atleast the city of jakarta i want my golden city of batavia, and surronding areas i wont touch east java, as for the islands im reffering only to the moluccas islands everything west of that is yours except for sunda which i really really want. With Blood and Iron (talk) 23:57, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

these are the areas i want as my own i wont touch anything else With Blood and Iron (talk) 00:04, April 30, 2014 (UTC)



i dont care about austrialia i really want to have otl batavia ill buy the area off you if you want, and from what ive scene you havent taking it yet, i promise you that itll be worth it in the long run as you will secure me as an ally and will benifit from exposure to western culture and tech, not to mention the lucrative trade arrangements we will have. With Blood and Iron (talk) 00:19, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

ehh....why the hell not.

"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 00:41, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

atleast allow me the city of Jakarta so i can make my batavia, in exchange for the rest of sunda let me take sulawesi. With Blood and Iron (talk) 00:43, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

Hater please, you give me enough gold, I may give you almost anything you ask for.

"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 00:45, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

alright looks like we have an arrangement i take those areas and we remain on good terms but it would be a shame to not have strong trading ties in the future. With Blood and Iron (talk) 00:58, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

ill help you take down sunda if oyu want in exchange i get the city of jakarta once the fighting is over. With Blood and Iron (talk) 00:59, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

also you should read the terms that alexandria demands in exchange for your accessing the canal. With Blood and Iron (talk) 01:04, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Map
No problem. It has been fixed. Mscoree (talk) 22:49, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Why are you so mean??

(talk) 00:18, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Sunda
calm im just increasing my trade at the momrnt in the region, sunda is the only place i can do that from at the present, so just put up with a few decades of my trading through sunda, i wont conquer it and i wont move to destabalize your own lands, in the mid 1500s we can formally divide sunda ill take jakarta and you take the rest, but i need to secure a base of operations first and i cant yet so for now i am trading with the rest of the region using sunda as spring board. With Blood and Iron (talk) 01:32, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

Marrikuwuyanga
I cannot allow Buddhism to spread in my territory U-U.. Newly converted Buddhists would certainly try to be as peaceful as possible, negating any possibility of 'Marrikuwuyanga conquering the entire universe'

It will also undermine Yada Gulpilils position as God and claiming to be Buddha's reincarnation would be wrong because Buddha is in Nirvana You are not trading.. I mean, why aren't you trading? Start it .-.

fine im in
ill back you but i am losing alot of trade because of this, i want the trade i previously had in sunda to remain as part of the post war agreement, along with a removal of restrictions to dutch trade, im content with having a strong ally in south east asia atleast that way my trade will be secure from other european powers. With Blood and Iron (talk) 21:15, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

i agree but things need to brought to your attention i have absolutely no way of providing 20,000 dutch troops my army is 25000 i can provide is 2,000 troops at most and i dont know if thats even plausible since i just started trade and all in asia plus a nice chunk of the dutch navy. firearms i have covered i have th most advanced firearms at the present, and bigger isnt always better, als oyou picked a really bad moment to move on sunda i have issue in northern europe which may cost me an important ally. ill aid you however i can but its logistically impossible to acutally send massive troops east, and will be for another 100 years or so. With Blood and Iron (talk) 21:41, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

i talked to the mods 1500-2000 is the max i can send you,there is a reason why the europeans reallied on local troops in the early years. in asia With Blood and Iron (talk) 21:48, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

sunda
the war is over?

if so that means in the peace i get jakarta and surronding area

With Blood and Iron (talk) 01:21, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

we agreed on sulawesi as well being under my own administration.

btw im starting a crusader game tomorrow you want in ? With Blood and Iron (talk) 23:47, May 13, 2014 (UTC)

yes this is the link Crusader game

also you realize you didnt put jakarta on the map right?

jakarta and surronding areas are under my control. With Blood and Iron (talk) 02:05, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

PMIII - IOTU
In PMIII, would you be interested in exploring the possibility of forming some sort of Indian Ocean Trade Union, with me, you, the Mughals and Yemen as the founding members? I'm not talking anytime soon, mybe in the next half-century or so, but I'm just leaving the option open. You're the first I've talked about this to, because we need the mighty Kingdom of the East on our side if we want to succeed. - FP(problem?) 09:53, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

China and Dat Viet aren't exactly Indian Ocean are they, so maybe not them, but Madagasikara and Bengal could also be potential candidates. - FP(problem?) 13:51, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

Coronae et Cruces
I know accessing chat is a pain for you, so I'll just leave this here. I noticed that you are the Fatimid. As you may know, I'm the Seljuq Turks. I think it'd be great if we worked together to actually present a challenge to the crusaders. Whaddaya say? Bananananananana BAT-CRIM 19:57, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

Ayutthaya-Marrikuwuyanga
I don't want more Ayutthaya soldiers present in Marrikuwuyanga land because I do not want to become too dependent on other nations for my protection.

I instead wish to be provided with modern weaponry and stregthen Marrikuwuyanga military. I wish to change our relationship from that of a Regional Power and Vassal to that of two friendly nations

I also need weaponry because two centuries later, the Europeans will move onto Australasia to colonize and I would want to defend Australia from the invaders

Finally, In South East Asia; I am taking the following

1) Timor 2) Guinea (All of it) 3) Islands below Majapahit and above Marrikuwuyanga

I'll be able to protect my trade interests in the region by acquiring Guinea and make sure Mainland Marrikuwuyanga is not targeted by a naval attack by acquiring the islands above Marrikuwuyanga and below Majapahit.

Although, in Principia Moderni III; I am not supposed to have any knowledge of any island... I'll soon gain access to maps in the coming years. The SE Asia message was basically to inform you that I'll not be allowing Netherlands to gain control of all of South East Asia

http://i61.tinypic.com/2lkywht.jpg

I believe this is how the South East Asia Map should be. I'll be taking territory from it so as to protect myself in case I was ever invaded from the North.

You and the Dutch already had negotiated and I gave some extra territory to both of you which I think you'll conquer soon and the Dutch deserve

~RexImperio.

What's that over there? Is it an kick-ass idea?
I was flicking through the wiki via 'Random Page' and I stumbled across something magical which makes me regret taking a break from the wiki. The page in question is a certain (dead) map game by the name of Cthulhu Sleeps, which you created. Having just gone to see Godzilla for the third time, I am fascinated by the concept of giant monsters climbing out of the sea and ground and fucking shit up. Would you be interested in possibly rebooting it in co-operation with myself in the near future? I have some ideas that I want to discuss, maybe make it a more classy affair, more realistic perhaps, and actually make it semi-serious. Reply if you're interested. Reply if you're not. Don't reply if you are a cheeky bastard.

Yours sincerely, - FP(problem?) 21:26, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Hehe I'm in a similar situation with exams, should we wait until next week or should I just list off my ideas and wait for you to reply? - FP(problem?) 20:38, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

Ok. - FP(problem?) 20:53, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * Less, but bigger monsters.
 * Even got a POD sorted(ish). Like 4bill years ago, massive meteorite hits earth, causing huge clouds, more electrical storms, speeding up the process of life. These electrical storms last for a huge amount of time (like millions of years) and animals evolve to harness that energy and feed on it. They grow huge. Electrical storms die out. Animals bury themselves in the crust. Human kind starts using electricity. In say 1950s(?) they arise from their slumber to fuck shit up.
 * We need Gojira.
 * More serious play. Somehow.
 * Me and you head mods (hehehe).
 * Any other ideas? Hate my ideas?

Haha you're idea is a fair bit better. Yeah so start maybe 1850? We should have separate swarms or huge monsters, that have specific paths, like on huge creature rampaging through China and through into India, etc, to make the countries have to anticipate what is going to come at them next. Also say that a bunch of animals used to consume carbon dioxide so we're not limited to just one type. Yeah to be honest it's better having more mods. Also we don't want noobs as mods just because they asked first, we must be ruthless. Also give Bfox a pat on the back. - FP(problem?) 10:03, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

My Sig
Thanks again for helping me make my sig! For the text, you can just put whatever you want and I'll change it.

My current sig (bad!)

I am going to Ganon w/ Fed's nonsense. Will you join me? I will be posting on the TSPTF talk page. 03:22, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

I am sending you this message to let you know that the abuse that we all saw (and experienced) on chat today has been brought before the TSPTF. I invite you to share your experiences so we can show just how this wiki makes common sense reforms. TSPTF-Chat Abuse. Thank You, 03:40, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

Oh you are such a bastion of maturity. Oh wow! I'm amazed. You were obnoxious and childish, not I. I've never banned you or anything of that effect. But you ATTACKED me, do it again. I will not tolerate it. I can undue the ban or you wait two hours but I'm not doing it until you grow up. You are acting like a child. Everyone else was ok, you were the only one that was a sarcastic asshole. I don't tolerate people treating me like crap.ALLONS-Y!!,Basically, RUN!! 19:14, June 15, 2014 (UTC)

Do you think I am ignorant? People who spam or troll are removed from chat, so I did do what I am supposed to do, Kindly shut it. This isn't a pissing contest. Drop itALLONS-Y!!,Basically, RUN!! 00:44, June 16, 2014 (UTC)

Beg to differ all you want. I do not care. This little conversation of ours is done. Please refrain from contacting me about this matter again? I am willing to let bygones be bygones, if you are also willng to stop being a git.ALLONS-Y!!,Basically, RUN!! 00:52, June 16, 2014 (UTC)

Query
Hey Guns,

I hope you don't mind if I distract from your squirrel-related activities for a somewhat serious question (not too serious, it's more of a request for your help).

You and I haven't really talked but from what I've noticed, you seem to be someone who freely speaks his mind. In the last four years,    I've asked a number of users for criticism of my timeline Superpowers (getting shown some of my errors in the process) and these commentaries have been very valuable to me. Would you have time to spare for such constructive criticism? You're the first user whom I have actually sought out for criticism (since I asked the others while they were already offering comments), but the reason for that is I noticed you may already have some thoughts on the plausibility of my timeline (plus, like I said, you seem likely to hold less back).

If you do have the time to spare, then my more direct question is: what are some reasons for which my timeline is extremely ASB?

P.S. For me to avoid seeming defensive, I don't intend to oppose anything you may criticize. If you want to offer some criticism, then I'll just read it and maybe ask for a more detailed criticism (I'll probably throw in a kthxbai too :P). My request is just to hear your thoughts on the matter and use them as stepping stones for working on the plausibility of my work.

Red VS Blue (talk) 16:17, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

Vunderbar - I'm glad to see that I haven't misjudged your candor. Even better since these are all very reasonable points.

In fact, I agree completely with four of them. In particular, your specific example for (6) surprised me in a good way since I had thought that the minarets of the Taj Mahal were the only distinctly Islamic feature of its architecture. That's an error I consider worth fixing. Similarly, comments  (1), (4), and (5) touch on problems the solution to which I've been trying to work out as part of my total rewrite of the entire detailed timeline and now that I see that I'm not the only one to notice those issues reinforces my decision to fix them to varying degrees.

For example, the particular case you mention for problem (5) - the name Tesla - hasn't felt worth keeping just for the sake of a reference, since the person could come across as actually being Nikola Tesla but born at an earlier time. Calling the problem "something from OTL but earlier" puts it quite well. It'll be helpful for me to keep it in mind during the rewrite.

If I may ask for further detail on (5), then I'm curious how broadly you mean "OTL but earlier". Namely, there are a number of thematically significant periods that I've had repeat in the timeline (e.g. modern conflict between two political ideologies). Do you consider it implausible that a thematically similar struggle would happen in a very different history? No doubt for any person or specific event to appear as in OTL, except at an earlier time, is extremely implausible but I'm also interested in your opinion on more general trends or themes in history happening at a different time or under different circumstances.

As further detail on (3), I'm curious what ethnicities in the Roman Empire you have in mind as eventually going into rebellion. I've felt that there has been an unrealistic lack of dissent in its history, with only one by the Greeks, but I've struggled to find ways that conflicts would start given the security and commercial stability enjoyed by foreigners living under the empire (both earlier in the timeline and coming closer to contemporary dates). Aside from this uncertainty, I've been motivated by something in the same vein as (3) to find how other countries would become unstable - for example, the Mongol Empire and the Federation of German tribes will be fragmenting to some degree as I rewrite the timeline. So I agree to a certain degree on the validity of leveling that criticism at the timeline (vunerable as it makes itself by postulating such large empires).

Aside from these clarifications, I'm open to hearing other examples for (4), (5), and (6) if you have more you want to mention. So far, you're three for three on pointing out particular things that stick out as sorely implausible. If not, then I'm grateful for the commentary you've already given, it being the most general criticism I've yet received on this site.

And yes, I'll try not to read too much into the squirrel thing :P

Cheers,

Red VS Blue (talk) 13:31, June 24, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, if I remember correctly, that struggle originated or at least accelerated with the division of Charlemagne's kingdom. You're right to point out that such a conflict would never occur without Germanic tribes conquering Europe.

For the East-West division of the empire, what would you say is a reasonable progression in a history where Rome remains strong? I'll be doing my own research to see how I can accurately address the split but, again, I'd be grateful for another informed opinion.

You're issue with the Mongols is a fair one. Given your prior comments and my own thoughts on the matter, I intend to work out a different start for the Mongol Empire and remove it as a distinct POD of the timeline (all gradually, mind you). However, I'll need to research how likely a union of the local tribes of the Mongolian Steppes would be under different circumstances. The main "ripple" I can see reaching the region would be pressure coming from a differently shaped spread of Islamic armies. All that, however, is tangent to your comment, with which I agree completely. The differences that will result from such a change will be very exciting for me to pursue.

So regarding the Romans, you're saying it is implausible that the Indians, Native Americans on the East Coast, and Africans would be conquered and held by Rome? I will look more into what you've said about Indian states repelling an invader (the tendency to be fragmented but unite to repel an invader wouldn't surprise me about India given that the Arabs are have historically tended to that exact behaviour - I will look for times when India has done the same). However, I'm unsure what you mean by Africans in this context. Do you see the Phoenician/Carthaginians and Mauri throwing off Roman authority or are you referring to the Bantu and Congolese peoples in the West and East?

Cheers,

Red VS Blue (talk) 22:21, June 24, 2014 (UTC)

Ah, well, if you mean individual tribes, then that would need to be the Bantu and Congolese peoples of Africa, since the Mauri, Egyptian, and Phoenician Africans were largely Romanized. Whether or not Rome puts something like what the French tried into effect depends on a host of factors (racism, state of slavery, etc.) but you make a good point that African tribes would generally start to rebel unless Rome tried that method early. I don't see any way around the dilemma, even if I were permitting myself to argue against your points of criticism.

So, Rome would face a functionally united India during its invasion and may need to compete with the Mongols (depending on what they're doing contemporaneously). Since this assumes India tends to unite to repel an invader, I have to ask: what were some times in OTL when they united for defense?

Oh, interesting - you're suggesting that military pressure from Muslim armies would actually incite the union of the Mongols? Perhaps at a different time than they united under Temujin? Then once united, the Mongols would prioritize war against the Muslims (as a threat), obliterating their empires as they did to the Chinese in OTL (maybe instead of the Chinese?).

Very interesting. This gives me quite a few ideas for Mongol history.

Red VS Blue (talk) 15:08, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Don't worry; I'm in no rush. I'll be answering whenever I'm notified of your response, but whether its the same day or after the 12th of July makes little difference to me. When it comes to online correspondence, I'm not particularly impatient.

Well, my initial offer not to voice any disagreement was to show the sincerity of my request for criticism (otherwise, my query may have come across as defensive). But I'm happy to oblige your urgings, especially since it could make for more interesting discussion. It's worth mentioning that although I haven't been expressing disagreement, any mention of agreement has been genuine (especially on your original point (1) and your examples for (4), (5), and (6)).

If I may, then one point that didn't strike me as accurate (if directed at Rome) was (2) (that eventually there would be enough bad emperors for the population to lose faith in the government). For most autocratic countries, the government is largely represented by its monarch and bad monarch obviously reflect poorly on the monarchy. However, the Roman government was a strange hybrid of monarchical and republican leadership, with a bureaucracy that managed most public activity. A bad emperor could put the public accounts into debt or mistreat subsets of the population but the empire as a whole would go on as long as trade between cities could safely continue and farms, cities, or other infrastructure weren't being destroyed by civil war or foreign invaders. Indeed, when considering the sheer number of factors going against Rome during the 3rd century, it is a testament to its political system and military strength that it remained in control for another two centuries.

In general, I would be interested in seeing what you think of my analysis of the reasons Rome fell (outlined in that ^ link) and what you think goes unmentioned. As the main premise of the alternate timeline, the continuation of reliable leadership for a century (or two) after Marcus Aurelius would have naturally sufficed to allow a handful of competent emperors to adjust to the unique situation of their empire and provide a bulwark against the majority of those threats (naturally, meaning, without any unjustified "metagaming" to ensure certain good decisions were made).

Other than the above, I do agree with everything else that you've said. India should be an enormous challenge to conquer, natives of Africa should be more disdainful of Roman authority (unless assimilated early), a number of events in the timeline are rather contrived or too coincidental, and the Mongol Empire has to fragment eventually under internal pressure.

Now, I'm liking your ideas for the Muslims providing the external impetus for the Mongolian tribes to unite and for this to lead to their expansion into the Middle East instead of the Far East. My one question is your choice of timing. Why would the Muslim armies only proceed north in the 11th or 12 centuries? They tried to expand into Egypt and Anatolia as early as the 7th century but surely their repulsion at that time would motivate them elsewhere while they still carried the momentum of their incredible religious fervor. I admit to having little knowledge of Islamic history so I'm only speculating with this note.

I can assure you that your ideas will be most helpful (once I reach the point where I will be rewriting those parts of the timeline). Your comments, recorded as all are, will be useful reference for when I get to relevant points.

Red VS Blue (talk) 19:05, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

We'll get right back to our discussion then. I'm glad to see my point is compelling but I'm curious, since you say that some sort of major change in government would allow Rome to survive. Do you think that my althistory reflects the sort of changes that might allow the Roman government to survive? (I imagine the general timeline page doesn't mention such changes but then the devil is in the details - I'm curious whether or not the detailed timeline offers such changes).

For the Mongols, I'm now trying to figure out realistically when and how their empire would collapse. I'm fully convinced that whether or not they collapse has to be answered affirmatively. For the manner of collapse, my main concern is along which geographic lines it will collapse. Before figuring that out, I'm also considering the possibility that Mongol expansion does not go far into China, instead progressing into Persia and Arabia to supplant the Turkish kingdoms. The Mongol Empire would then collapse along lines in the Islamic world. If you have any more thoughts along these lines or against this, then I'd be interested in hearing them.

For strictly Islamic history, I'll need to spend a great deal more time researching the spread and sectarianism of the religion, as well as the influences on its political systems. I'm not knowledgeable in Islamic history so I may look for someone with expertise for advice. Whether or not I seek advice, this is shaping up to be an exciting change for my timeline. I'm imagining that the result will be a number of empires that have no parallels in actual history.

Roman colonization of India remains quite far off for my writing but I'll keep what you've said in mind. Do you think it would suffice to compare the relative strengths of the collective Indian states with the invading Roman armies? Or would Indian resistance come in other forms that outright warfare against Rome? (e.g. insurgencies of some sort)

Red VS Blue (talk) 17:47, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

Back to Business
Sorry, I went suddenly absent for a while due to technical difficulties involving my computer, should be able to get on much more frequently now. Where were we? Ah yes, I've had a chat with Impoetus and he seems up for it, if I actually focus on our thing as well, though he has dropped in activity too, but he should be up and running again during summer. - FP(problem?) 18:45, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan. Imp says he's gonna try to contribute ideas, but isn't too interested in playing himself. Sad to hear about Bfox, always kinda liked that guy. Uhhhh, I have no idea how to make a google doc so you do that :/ - FP(problem?) 16:05, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

Pegu
Hey still down to do Pegu, i havent seen you since the other day when you brought it up and id like to do that transfer sometime soon (im also gonna re add it to the map as yours just FYI since it was joint under Ayyutahata or however you spell it)

Heres the treaty page for Pegu. Treaty of Pegu

Fine you get the most preferential trade outside of Spain. Spain still gets the biggest share of that preferential trade between colonies and homeland and the Philippines operates as a trade hub

PM3
Ah, okay.

Also, I don't want to take control of China, sorry to say. -Seiga  2014 August 12, 23:18 (CET)

1983 Help
Hey, if you ever need help with your article I'd be happy to give you a hand. After all what better way to get your first canon than alongside a master of 1983. Let me know if I can be of any assistance. Thanks, Mscoree (talk) 16:46, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

Alright let me know what I can do. I will be familiarizing myself with the history a bit and I'll see if can come up with any ideas. Mscoree (talk) 17:53, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

I looked over the talk page for the Isiran Civil War and left some of my thoughts. Please check them out when you get a chance let me know what you think. I will be reading into the history of the area some more and try to come up with a plan that everyone can agree to. Thanks, Mscoree (talk) 19:50, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

I wrote up some ideas for a new timeline for the war on the war's talk page. Feel free to check it out and tell me what you think. Mscoree (talk) 16:31, August 27, 2014 (UTC)

Stuff
K. Fed (talk) 17:02, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

Nah, in all seriousness, sure you can have the HRE thing in SM back, and given that i'm back, I can start working on ICW ASAP. Thanks for reminding me tho! Fed (talk) 17:02, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

Chat
I don't know if you saw what I said in chat, but basically you don't have to leave. Ms for example was collectively booed off from the chat, while you have not been. You aren't universally hated like him yet so there's no reason to avoid chat. I'm not going to beg you, you can do whatever you want, I'm just saying you aren't as bad as Ms in terms of prestige yet. Tr0llis (talk) 20:44, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

Alright then. I just wanted you to know you're always welcome. Tr0llis (talk) 20:52, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

Looks like comic sans to me. Tr0llis (talk) 23:43, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

Oh sorry about that haha. Mscoree (talk) 22:58, September 2, 2014 (UTC)

Spamming
I'm not a caretaker on DD, so why you brought this up with me I don't know. If you have an issue over information, you are to bring it up on the timeline's talk page for discussion. Instead you decided to spam several users over this issue, which is not allowed on this site.

I will be removing these comments. Please do not let this happen again. -- 00:39, September 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * Spam is classified as the bulk messaging of users, indiscriminately. You did this by messaging several users the same message, many of whom aren't timeline admins (such as myself). I work on a few articles for DD, but I'm not a timeline admin who makes decisions for the timeline as a whole.


 * This is also spam because (as mentioned earlier) you should've brought this up on the timeline's talk page. If anything, this is site etiquette 101. These are the proper channels on how to start your discussion, not in the manner which you decided to do. -- 02:09, September 5, 2014 (UTC)

Nuke is right, Guns. Unquestionably spam. Don't do it again. Lordganon (talk) 02:19, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Stuff, stuff and more stuff
Sup Guns.

Yea tbh I am going to need to look into a map and look into the pages you speak of. It has been a long time since I was working in central Africa. I'll try to read into it and see if I have any new ideas.

Although right of the bat I can see supply lines are going to be a problem. Huge resources are going to be required to fight this war for all sides so if this war is happening (I am taking about Congo btw) I would really think the smaller or poorer states will suffer from dissent within its government and people very quickly and could either delve into civil war or collapse completely - easy pickings for the last nation standing - if said nation still has the power to take over region that is.

Botswana most probably will look to take whatever land it wants so it will most definitely be involved, although as a largely independent and disassociated entity I think.

Sorry for the late reply. Care to update me on what has happened so far? ;)  Imp (Say Hi?!) 00:44, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

Hello!
Thanks for the welcome back.

It's good to be back and hearing from familiar people. What happened with PM2? Where's Scraw? Care to fill me in?

BTW MonsterPumpkin and I are possibly planning some new games so let me know so we can discuss.

AP (talk) 22:19, October 10, 2014 (UTC)

I am beginning to "renovate" the old TE vs. CP map game page and will open it when we (you, me, and MP?) see fit. If you have any ideas, talk to me or MP.

AP (talk) 01:10, October 13, 2014 (UTC)

I'm game. Let's do it.

22:16, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

I think we should do the thing where the big nations have to go to the big players. In this game I think the nations would be the UK, US, France, Germany, Russia, Austria Hungary, and something else.

22:34, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Korea and Japan
I want add list of empopmer and empress of korea so baldy by --Jinierules (talk) 08:24, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations, you are now a Constable in the TSPTF. This allows you to showcase the TSPTF membership badge on your user page. Furthermore it gives you the rollback power on this wiki. In the History page of an article you will notice a new option called "rollback". This is an anti-vandalism tool. It allows you to quickly undo edits in case someone has made more than one edit to a page. By clicking rollback it will immediately revert the article to a time before the offending editor edited the page. This is your most important duty. By agreeing to be a constable, you are promising to do your best to patrol for vandals and trolls.

When you get the chance, please go to the TSPTF page, and sign up for some responsibilities. In reality, none of us have the time to devote to all of the duties that are expected of an administrator of the wiki. You are expected, however, to sign up for at least three responsibilities listed in that section. These are duties that you are agreeing to carry out to the best of your ability every time you are on this wiki. I'm hoping that by doing this the members of the TSPTF can efficiently share the work load of the wiki and gives us time for the real reason we are here. Since you are only a constable and do not have the power to delete or block, do not feel obligated to sign up for any duties you do not have the powers to do. Please inform and respect those in a position to do so if you see a problem that involves a need for either of those things.

Again, congratulations on being elected to the TSPTF and good luck.

Lordganon (talk) 09:43, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

Scarlet Outlaw
How long was I banned for. If you want to talk come to MGW. - Scarlet Outlaw

Guns
Which idiot left and let you become constable? XD

It really depends on how much time I have on my hands. I checked in and saw, well, a bit of a mess so priority is getting wiki back to spec haha. I've also heard you are not fun to be around in chat hahaha. :P

Yes I know! But what article do we work on? We can't complete our Central Africa page in like 16 days.

Hahaha well not a Green Day fan so I don't keep up with all their releases. I'm into Alt-J now, which is weird but still pretty cool.

Right, the next time I hear anything about Green Day in the news I'll alert you. Good enough? ;)

Imp (Say Hi?!) 08:54, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Yea I know hahaha.

Ah, only when directed against you XD

Eh, well I gotta make sure that does not happen. :P But what kind of changes are youtalking about?

I seriously doubt that the PRC is going to collapse, especially with the fact it now has influence till the coast and it is now preparing to establish symbolic control over Beijing and the surrounding regions. Most likly they will send expiditions northward to see if any functional ports can be found so that money can be savedon having to construct new ports.

The thing with the PRC takeover is that most of Gansu's funds can go into the sector it needs to - agriculture. Of course there is going to be in insurgency campaign, but I think perhaps this time it might be centred around relatively more urbanised and industrial regions - they have currently suffered and will continue to until the region's economy is strong enough for funds to be allocated back into industry.

What could be interesting would be if somehow the insurgents managed to get support from someone, but Yunnan would be looking to provide minimal to no support, they have their own issues and a potential supranational union to deal with. Perhaps the TROC could, but I am not sure if the insurgents could even make contact with them, let alone get weapons and stuff.

The PRC's military is still functional. Such a civil-war isn't happening. Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:33, November 15, 2014 (UTC)

Fairly BS? The PRC have 3 times the number of people, and Gansu as such an isolated state cannot hope to survive. Plus, even though there might have been a capitalist revolution, it doesn't take much in a state such as Gansu for people to revolt because, at the end of the day, Gansu is still an agricultural country. You focus your funds into one sector too much and Gansu is in economic upheval. That is exactly what happened.

Guns, it will most definitely not. The PRC is getting stronger every day, a link to the sea opens up the possibility of imports. Plus, Gansu's workforce is majority agricultural, the same which led communist revolutions in China and Russia. And let us be serious, a militia could stop raids - Gansu's army would be absolutely no match. We are talking about a proper military sweeping into the state. And point me where LG has said this, I can't seem to find it. Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:39, November 16, 2014 (UTC)

There has been Guns, just not all that mainstream. Their support base, however, did grow extremely fast. And most of said older generation is dead Guns, it would have been the younger generation that survived.

Numerous, but not exactly harmful to the state.

Guns read the page, it's a bit more than two years. Things can always be simmering under the bonnet before shit happens. Yes, the PRC has that, along with something more like 35% of the population's support. Not a majority, but a much greater support base.

There is still an insurgency going on, that is clear, but they mostly don't have the ammo to keep fighting all the time, hence quite a weak insurgency.

Why would the people revolt? Conditions are starting to get better, more food will come to the table because of the large amount of surplus produced by Gansu and life would be getting better. The people under the PRC haven't exactly known anything else.

As to farms, Guns the first thing the PRC would do is fund the farms which have been affected due to their past raids. Large farmers would not lose much power either, why would they?

Guns Gansu will die.

We could make a page for the insurgency. Or for the protests that took place when the PRC began "police action". And never make a football reference again, doesn't suit you. :P

I quite like Socialist Siberia.

See I am not denying that eventually there will be turmoil - but that would only happen once the TROC manages to get into propaganda and uprising supporting stage. Plus getting to the sea would also introduce new ideas as traders come to sell from all around the region.

It won't happen now, but later perhaps. Imp (Say Hi?!) 14:12, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Oh my God Guns. -.-  Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:59, November 21, 2014 (UTC)

Chat
You you ban me from chat for saying "He's not breaking chat, he's just saying a lot of characters", but then you don't ban Saturn, who spammed the chat for a solid minute with white space?

By the way, I came on chat to talk to you about 1983: Doomsday before we got sidetracked. Can I be let back on? Mscoree (talk) 03:52, November 17, 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh? So then i suppose then we're all kicked and banned guns, because like we all didn't spam at all tonight... Saturn (Talk/Blog) 04:00, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Also if possible I'd like to adopt or at least help on this page. I'll only add canon stuff to it, I just find helping out on pages like this a good way to learn more about a region. Mscoree (talk) 20:21, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

I'm on chat right now if you want to talk. Also checking the log confirms that Saturn was never banned for the incident, even though he was the primary spammer. Mscoree (talk) 00:07, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Cookie
I need you to apologize to cookie and to stop making this situation worse than it already is. Thank you.

Crim de la Crème 23:25, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Australian Electro
Not really. How about we share the page instead? I'll allow you to expand and edit the page, though I'd still like to add a few things. -Seiga  2014 November 28, 22:58 (CET)

1983: Impfondo
Why are you sending me messages on Lordganon's talk page?

Anyway, what objections are you talking about, because I talked to you the other day and you confirmed that all the objections you had previously written on the talk page had since been answered. There is also no new message on the talk page from you after that point. Mscoree (talk) 15:45, November 29, 2014 (UTC)