Talk:Axis vs Allies: Reborn (Map Game)

Location
Location is how close the nation is to the place of the conflict. Goes by capital city.
 * At the war: 5
 * Next to the war: 4
 * Close to the war: 3
 * Far from the war: 2
 * Halfway around the world: 1

Tactical Advantage

 * Attacker’s advantage: 1
 * Defender’s advantage: 2
 * Home is desert: Defenders +3, attackers -3
 * Home is island: Defenders +4, attackers -4

Strength

 * Every nation militarily helping with belligerents/defenders: 3
 * Every nation nonmilitarily helping with belligerents/defenders: 2
 * Side with greater population: 3
 * Side with greater industry: 3
 * "Big Cheese" Advantage (USA, Soviet Union, UK, Japan, Germany for now):+4

Motive

 * Life or death (country’s sovereign existence is threatened): 10
 * Religious: 7
 * Social/moral: 6
 * Political: 5
 * Economical: 3

"Special" Status
In many points in history, a revolution (Hitler, Napoleon) has led to massive military successes at first. However, such revolutions have also led to massive failures (Mussolini, the South in Amer. Civil War). If a revolution has taken place in your nation in the past 7 years into an autocratic dictatorship, you are eligible for a bonus in military. If all of the above, +10.
 * If revolution to autocratic dictatorship in past 7 years.
 * If you get 6 or more in chance.

Morale

 * Recent military defeats (battles): -2
 * Extermination of conquered peoples: -3
 * Motive is less than 6: -1

Nuclear weapons

 * Strategic nuclear weapon use on capital city: +10 for belligerent, -10 for defendant (of nuke). +2 per additional nuke for belligerent, -2 per additional nuke for defendant.
 * Strategic nuclear weapon use on major city: +7 for belligerent, -10 for defendant (of nuke). +1.5 per additional nuke for belligerent, -1.5 per additional nuke for defendant.
 * Strategic nuclear weapon use on minor city: +5 for belligerent, -10 for defendant (of nuke). +1 per additional nuke for belligerent, -1 per additional nuke for defendant.
 * Tactical nuclear weapon use: +5 for first tactical nuke, +.5 per additional nuke.
 * Nuclear weapon use for belligerent: -5 morale this turn and next turn.
 * Nuclear weapon use for defendant: -2.5 morale this turn only.

Economic situation

 * Great economy: +5
 * Fair economy: +3
 * Average economy: +1
 * Poor economy: -3
 * Crashing economy: -5

Chance
Take the UTC time at that moment. (ie 21:32). Then, multiply those numbers. Any zeros count as one. Then take the declaring user's edit count. Then divide the UTC number by the edit count. Multiply that number by pi Take the fifth digit in the number, and there's your chance. Then, for the opponent, take the eighth number. And there you go!
 * 2*1*3*2= 8
 * ie 2831.
 * 8/2831= 0.00282585658
 * 0.00282585658*pi= 0.00887318966
 * 7
 * 8

Result
The winner will get to take the city(ies) they were targeting. If the winner wins by more than 1.5x the score, they will take 4 cities. If they win any number less, they will take 2 cities. If the user wins by more than 2x the score, 8 cities will be taken. If the user wins by more than 4x the score, the nation will capitulate.

Changes from Axis vs Allies: Revolutions

 * Added mod rules section
 * Added regulations to mapmaking
 * Added Plausibility Points
 * Added inactivity penalty.
 * Added proxies.
 * Changed start time to 22:00:00 UTC.

Patch 1

 * Added plausibility points to War Algorithm.
 * User will be penalized 1 point from their Plausibility Points if the miss a day without any notice.

Patch 2

 * Removed penalty for inactivity in Plausibility Points.

Patch 3

 * Removed Plausibility Points.
 * Removed Plausibility Points from algorithm.

Patch 4

 * Removed the algorithm.

Patch 5

 * The algorithm has been reinstated with major changes.

Discussion
Thanks for dealing with the last game's problems with 'power gameing' and mod bias.The River Nile-2 (talk) 21:28, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

who was the biased mod? Sine dei gloriem (talk) 21:29, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Well, Zaire vs S. Africa was a bit ASB on the previous game as the mod and the player power-gamed and hyper-conquered. Don't worry, Sine dei gloriem, since both you and Pitakang are not the fellows I was talking about. What ever, let's forget about the other game and start anew on this one. The River Nile-2 (talk) 21:38, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

ok. and yeah i remember zaire's player aswell made a Turkish empire aswell, lets hope this doesnt happen here Sine dei gloriem (talk) 21:40, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

I'm still going to build my empire. If Japan, Germany, Britian, and Italy can do it, I see no reason I can't. Of course it will be more plausible. I'm gonna build up to it like the Japanese, come up with some lousy excuse of friendship or something, and then go in for the kill. The East Asian Africaghdfghdfghdfghdfghdfn Co-Prosperity Sphere. Unless, you have a problem with that... Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 18:20, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

That's OK.The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:42, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

"Come up with some lousy excuse of friendship or something" The quote of the week

Thanks
Thanks, PitaKing, for fixing my flag (Francoist Spain), since I didn't know how to fix it. I really appreciate it. Stewdio333 (talk) 21:23, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

No problem! Although it's Pita Kang, not King, lol. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 23:36, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

I actually misread your name as PitaKing for the longest time. The first time I saw your name, I thought 'I like pita bread too'. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 23:22, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

^^Exactly what I thought. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:28, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Plausibility Points
Interesting concept. Will they be used in war algorithms? ChrisL123 (talk) 23:58, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Yup. Just a thought. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 00:13, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

How are these going to work? I'm asking because there's really nothing on the main page... Also, there was no "powergaming" by me or Scraw on the last game. Evidently, I(and obviously Scraw) do not tolerate implausibility. The Turkish Empire was an example and so was the near-miss we had with that implausible African Empire. I hope the mods in this game are as much anti-implasogasm as I am. Though, I'm not worried since Scraw is still there,AP (talk) 02:17, January 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Still you ignore the tons of information I and others gave you (funny thing is I and two other players told you you were wrong). Regardless, so long as your willing to read it and own up to the proof, then we'll be fine. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 18:22, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

I agree about limiting hyper-expatiation and hyper conquest.The River Nile-2 (talk) 16:03, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Mongolia
Mongolia was under heavy Soviet influence throughout its history, so can it be coloured in the USSR colour like Manchuria is with Japan?

And BTW, can we control our puppet states or does it go under the "one country per player" rule? Fed (talk) 16:49, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

It's been coloured in.The River Nile-2 (talk) 21:38, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Fed (talk) 21:40, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Algorimth (Or Whatever Like That) and something else
I am one of the final two players of Axis vs Allies Revised, the only Map Game of the Axis vs. Allies series that have finished by date. I am willing to tell what I am feeling as not good in this map game: Laptop_Zombie 05:01, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) I do not like the characteristic of Chances in the Algorimth calculated in such a random way. I myself don't like the idea of Algorimth, believing this was one of the reasons map game can go too difficult to understand and so challenge people like me to understand these map games. This is one of the reasons why I left the position of Denmark in AvA Revolutions. Too complicated.
 * 2) Rather than having quite a random thing for nukes, it would be better to force players to explain all their scientific researches out in the game, so mods could determine who can get nukes first. And being Big Cheese doesn't have any meaning in nukes, it's about science, not military or population, about its discovery.
 * 3) Using proxies? Ridiculous. ALL UNCHOSEN NATIONS SHOULD BE GOVERNED BY MODS, or they should be incorporated as colony, autonomous regions or associated states.
 * 4) Signature rules away? Only 3 tiles please.

I played as Egypt in Axis vs Allies Revised and was the 3rd nation. I loved Axis vs Allies Revised.The River Nile-2 (talk)

So no algorithm, because that decides alot for me The old baby (talk) 11:13, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

I doesn't mean Denmark in Congress of Vienna, I mean in AvA Revolutions I was the player of Denmark, then I left. Laptop_Zombie 12:53, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

That has nothing to do with what i asked.

I agree with Laptop and River Nile, algorithms make the game too complicated, but you still must be plausible, as I took a similar amount of time in invading the part of China I did as otl, being a little faster by using Chemical weapons instead of bio weapons

I personally believe the algorythm is necessary for wars; I mean, otherwise we'll eventually end up with Finland conquering the world. It happened in most early map games for a reason.

Big Cheese does matter for nukes. Maybe not for nuclear research, but nukes also need a lot of resources and military power, something, say, Bhutan will not have.

And how come no proxies? Proxies were extremely important in this age of history. Fed (talk) 00:01, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Axis vs Allies: Revised did better than any other Axis vs Allies game, and it had no algorithm for computers. If we do get a finland take over  the world type player, we just ban him for implausibility, but have that said we should still have an algorithm for player vs player wars.The old baby (talk) 00:10, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Well, proxy was actually invaded all the time, and it became more difficult to make maps. In AvA Revised, all the proxies were cleaned not long after, and all nations annexed their proxy, starting with USSR - Kurdistan. Interestingly, the CoA was formed by Russia (OTL Soviet Union), China and Hindustan (OTL India) and all their colonies and proxies fully integrated. Laptop_Zombie 01:29, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Hurrar, I'm joining the Game! (and may pull out soon though)

@The old baby: In your very first post in this section, do you mean that decides a lot for your map game (Napoleonic Europe Revised!) huh? Laptop_Zombie 13:31, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Boring
Is this game going boring?

No.The River Nile-2 (talk) 22:04, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

A new War Algorithm idea?



 * I might have an idea?!


 * State of Economy: +10 (Florishing), +7.5 (Okay), +5 (Mild), +2.5 (Poor), 0 (Non-existent or colapsing)
 * Many or major defences and fortified places: + 10
 * War Weariness: -5 Every turn while in war, after the first turn
 * Technology: 0-10; with 0 being the worst, 5 being normal and 10 being ahead of time.
 * Knowledge of landscape: +20 for in one's homeland, + 10 for warring in an adjacent nation, -1 for low knowledge of an non-adjacent lands which are on you continent, -10 for no knowledge of a distant realm that is not even on your continent.
 * Morale: -10 In face of larger army, - 20 for completely surrounded, +5 for in face of a smaller army, +10 for surrounding enemy
 * Storming on to a coastline from the sea or on to an island, the attacker - 10 and defender + gains 10.
 * Storming in to a desert or jungle the, attacker - 10 and + defender gains 10.
 * Nuclear war gives the atomic user +10 and defnder- 10 for Strategic arms or +5 and -5 for tactical arms. +1 to the attacker and -1 to the defender if  the capial is hit
 * Every nation militarily helping with their side= +1
 * Religious, ethnic and cultural war motives = + 5 to the attacker.
 * Economic war motives = + 2 to the attacker.
 * Tactical Advantage: +5 defender/-3 attacker (for exsampel crossing the Kalahari desert)
 * Armed exspantion in large extremism climates like Greenland, Niger, Nepal and Amazonia will also be very slow due to lodgistic and climate problems for any wood-be invader. In this case the defender gets an advantage of +5 and the attacker gets a disadvantage of -6
 * Life or death = + 10 to the nation who is fearing being wiped from history.
 * Strength: # of troops divided by a factor of 10,000 (ie, 1,000,000 =100 pints)
 * Luck and weather conditions- 0-10 on Random Dot Org (to be used only as a tie breaker)
 * Add the totals up and find the biggest total. The biggest wins.
 * Do this for every turn your warring in.
 * The River Nile-2 (talk) 16:39, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Oh lord, I hate these types of algorithms...

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 19:22, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

OKThe River Nile-2 (talk)

Japan
economy:-7

Tech: 6.5

weariness -4

Knowledge of landscape: +10

Morale:+5

Nation help= +1( Korea)

coastline -0( remember, Manchuria)

Economic war motives +2

troop Number: 1,750,000, so +175 pts

total:203

China
economy: +5

Defenses +10

tech: +5

weariness: -4

morale: -10

nation help +1

Life or death: +10

numbers: 1,500,000, so 150.

total: 187

tell me if i did that wrong. The old baby (talk) 20:34, January 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * It is OK, the algorithmic is correct, but I think we are supposed to use this other one [].The River Nile-2 (talk) 22:01, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well that sucks, this one is faster and easier.The old baby (talk) 22:17, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree.The River Nile-2 (talk) 22:57, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Stop being so lazy. [[Image:IMPERIAL NY-SPQR 1.png|25px]][[Image:Regen Flag.png|30px|border]] Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:04, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not lazy, I have a byciacl!The River Nile-2 (talk) 21:04, January 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Look. No offense, but you could at least spell "bicycle" correctly. Stewdio333 (talk) 10:59, January 17, 2013(UTC)
 * Jpan had a chrashing ecomany so ecomany is -7 for japan Warman555
 * Crashing economy, LOLXX (talk) 22:09, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Algorithm
After a couple players complained about the complicated algorithm, I have decided to remove the algorithm for the game in Patch 4. They can, however come back in Patch X. Feedback, please! PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 20:35, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

I disagree. The algorithm is one of the few things that keeps the game a bit away from becoming ASB. It is essential to any map game and I vote for its return. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 21:31, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

I disagree as well. The algorithm has worked (for the most part) in all games and removing it would be a huge mistake. Plus, the people who are complaining are just to lazy to do math. Enclavehunter (talk) 22:04, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I am in multiple map games that have algorithms, some that don't, and a life outside the computer! I've never liked the Axis vs Allies algorithm anyway. The old baby (talk) 22:08, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I'm afraid there's nothing we can do about that.

Also, I think we should get rid of the "Big Cheese" thing, as the Big Cheese could always change over time so radically that the benefit would be useless.

I agree about ending the Big Cheese stuff.The River Nile-2 (talk) 21:01, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:16, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry. I left after 3 turns of things I've complained. Thanks for nice idea, but I suppose I will never join any Axis vs Allies map game from now. Laptop_Zombie 14:28, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

It's getting stultified, this argument is getting me down.The River Nile-2 (talk) 21:01, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Time to vote. Mods only, and people in the Algorithm League. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 04:13, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Keep the algorithm

 * [[Image:IMPERIAL NY-SPQR 1.png|25px]][[Image:Regen Flag.png|30px|border]] Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 04:13, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * I've changed the algorithm to match World War II a bit better. Instead of taking x percent of the defendant's land, we go by cities. For example, lets say France invades Germany and takes Franfurt or the Ruhr area. If they win by a lot (which is to determined), they get x number of cities. Still working on it. -Flag_of_South_Korea.png PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 14:19, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Never saw anything wrong with it in the first place too be honest. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 21:41, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Germany
Me no understand what happened. Italy turning into a democracy: What the hell just happened? Italy riding the moral high horse and telling Germany to back out... Lulz. Also, by the way, Italy had one of the worst armies in Europe at that time. Have fun trying to take over Germany. Also, Austria wanted to join with Germany. And, Italy with blitzkreig? Even more lulz.

Sweden invading Germany: WTF!!?! Sweden: Ally of Germany. Has been and will be. And Sweden blockading Germany coast... if it were Britain I would understand. Sweden??!?!

Anyways, whatever.

PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 14:36, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Oh and by the way, you guys didn't support Czechoslovakia before the invasion so I already took Czechoslovakia as in OTL. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 14:37, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Also, should the special status last the whole war? My inclination is that it should, since that was what happened in OTL. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 15:00, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Sweden had a popular revolt and a change in Parliament and King.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 21:04, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Germany (Belligerent)

 * Location: +3
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Germany (L, BC +8), Soviet Union (M, BC + 7), Ethiopia (M +3) = +18
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +6 (Social/Moral)
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5 (Germany had a great economy before World War II)
 * Chance: +6
 * 09:46
 * 9*4*6= 216
 * 216/7758= 0.02784222737
 * 0.02784222737*pi= 0.08746893699
 * Total: 56

Netherlands (Defendant)

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Netherlands (L+4), Britain (M, BC+7), France (M+3), Italy (M+3), Sweden (M+3), Greece (M+3) = +23
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +3
 * Total: 47

Result

 * 1939.5: Narrow German victory. Germany takes Apeeldorn and Almere, closing in on Amsterdam.
 * 1940: Decisive Germany victory. Germany takes Amsterdam, forcing the capitulation of the Netherlands.

Discussion
Wait...algorimth was removed in Patch 4!Laptop_Zombie 15:03, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

It was reinstated due to a majority mod vote. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 17:20, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Greece is supporting France/Sweden/Italy JSYK. Airlinesguy (talk) 23:30, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

United States

 * Location: 2
 * Tactical Advantage: 1 - 3 = 0
 * Strength: 13
 * Motive: 5 - 1 = 4
 * Economy: 5
 * Chance: 3 (I did do the math, but didn't feel like typing it all down).
 * Total: 27

Mexico

 * Location: 2
 * Tactical Advantage: 5
 * Strength: 0 (at the moment)
 * Motive: 10
 * Economy: 3
 * Chance: 9
 * Total: 29

Result

 * Narrow victory by the Mexico. No territory taken or lost.

Mexico

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical: 1
 * Strength: 14
 * Motive: 5
 * Morale: -3
 * Status: 10
 * Economy: 3
 * Chance: 7
 * Total: 41

Belize

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical: 2
 * Strength: 7
 * Motive: 10
 * Economy: 1
 * Chance: 5
 * Plausibility: 3
 * Total:  33

Outcome
Mexico takes half of Belize, up to Belize City.

Germany (Belligerent)

 * Location: +3
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Germany (L, BC +8), Soviet Union (M, BC + 7), Ethiopia (M +3), Sweden (S +2) = +20
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +6 (Social/Moral)
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +1
 * 15:09
 * 1*5*1*9= 45
 * 45/7802= 0.00576775185
 * 0.00576775185*pi= 0.01811992686
 * 0.01811992686
 * Total: 46

Belgium (Defendant)

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Belgium (L+4), Britain (M, BC+7), France (M+3), Italy (M+3), Greece (M+3) = +20
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +2
 * Total: 42

Result
1941: Decisive German victory. Germany takes Belgium.

Germany (Belligerent)

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Germany (L, BC +8), Soviet Union (M, BC + 7), Sweden (S +2) = +17
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +6 (Social/Moral)
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +8
 * 15:17
 * 1*5*1*7= 35
 * 35/7804= 0.00448487954
 * 0.00448487954*pi= 0.01408966464
 * 0.0140’’’8’’’96’’’6’’’464
 * Total: 51

Poland (Defendant)

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Poland (L+4), Britain (M, BC+7), France (M+3) = +14
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +6
 * Total: 42

Result
1941: Decisive German victory. Germany takes half of Poland.

Spanish Conquest of Gibraltar
I'm pretty sure this needs an algorithm right. (By the way, it's only one day long)

Alright, this is my first algorithm, so here goes nothing. (Anyone's free to see if it works)

Spain (Belligerent)

 * Location: +3
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Spain (L +4), Germany (S, BC +6), Sweden (S +2) = +13
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +5 (Political)
 * Special: +10
 * Morale: -1
 * Economy: +3
 * Chance: +6
 * 08:47
 * 1*8*4*7= 224
 * 224/805= 0.27826086956
 * Total: 42

Gibraltar (Great Britain) (Defendant)

 * Location: +2
 * Tactical Advantage: 0
 * Strength: Great Britain (L, BC +7)= +7
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Motive: +10 (Life or Death)
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +6
 * Total: 33

Result
1941.5: Spain succeeds in taking over Gibraltar in the sneak attack, prepares for the British declaration of war on Spain.

Discussion
How is this for my first algorithm, any complaints? Stewdio333 (talk) 21:04, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Nope, all fine. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 21:19, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Map update
Is my new map cannon?, I've lost track of things outside of Australasia and a update was needed. Oh, and it's not pixelated of fuzzy, I have avoided that at least.The River Nile-2 (talk) 00:27, January 24, 2013 (UTC)





Ethiopia (Belligerent)

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Ethiopia (L +4), Germany (M, BC +8), Soviet Union (M, BC + 7), Finland (S +2) = +21
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +6 (Social/Moral)
 * Special Status: 0
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +1


 * 22:54
 * 2*2*5*4= 64
 * 64/7804= 0.0411840411840412
 * 0.0411840411840412*pi= 0.1293178893178893
 * 0.1293178893178893
 * Total: 44

Denmark (Defendant)

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Denmark (L +4), Britain (M, BC +7) = +11
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +8
 * Total: 41

Result
1941.5: Strategic Ethiopian victory. Ethiopia takes Aalborg and Esbjerg.

Discussion
I honestly don't know which algorithim we're using. So here. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 05:09, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Wait, did you really just invade Denmark Denmark or something else belonging to Denmark?

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 05:21, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

I concur, Ethiopia invading Denmark is like Brunei invading Canada.AP (talk) 05:26, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Dude, Europe invades Europe and Africa invades Africa. End of story. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 05:38, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps you should read back I couple of turns. Japan and Italy aided Ethiopia is modernization, with Japan giving it loads of tech, and Italy giving it land. I send troops to China and Europe to support Japan and Germany, so I've got boots on the ground at both. And the difference between Ethiopia and Brunei is that Ethiopians outnumber the Danes four to one, and I've got more soldiers in Euorpe than Brunei had in its entire country at the time. Plus, my troops can actually fight the Danes since I've got the Germans behind me. I hate the bias. Why can't any African nation besides South Africa be taken as a threat, while one can literally spend decades modernizing and industrializing any country there and its still weak. Heck, this literally happens everywhere, and I'm not the only one. Stuff is going to turn me to drinking. -_- Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 17:06, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

A South African invasion of Denmark would be retconned too. You and Brunei are in the same boat: a third world one full of holes and rapidly sinking. You can fill up those holes and make a decent nation, but no superpower if that's what you're shooting for (and I'm pretty sure you are, please let me know if i'm wrong). If you can invade Denmark then why didn't the Ottomans invade the US in WWI? Because they had bigger fish to fry at home--Russia the Allies. Invade British Somaliland and if you can shoot for British holdings in Arabia.AP (talk) 07:05, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Fine. But the expanation makes little sense to me as I just had two of the most powerful nations in the world propping me up, but nevermind then if that's what you want. And yes I am shooting for superpower. I plan to follow Japan's old "Enrich the Country, Strengthen the Army" program too (Remember, Japan was a third world nation too). Anyway I'll stick with Africa then. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 17:06, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

We absolutely don't care. You are not going to be a leader in this war. All you can do is send men and guns. Jeez, this sounds like a common sense thing. Africa is never invading Europe, but Africa can help Europe. See the difference?

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein!

Hey, what a coinkydink. I don't either! :D Shame. Cause if you read the last five turns, you'd see that I already stated that was the original purpose of my soldiers being the in first place. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 19:23, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Point is, you're writing as if you're a leader.

"Ethiopian forces march on Denmark." implies that you are the leader. Which you are not and never will be. Write something like this:

"The Ethiopian troops abroad continue to help the Europeans in their efforts of conquest."

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 19:28, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Your PR skills are lacking. Perhaps if you were to ask nicely and without the tone, I'd be happy to do as you say. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 19:38, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps if you were less insolent to figuresof authority, I would. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 19:42, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

There we go. Same proclaimed authority that killed the other game. You mod a map game, and act as if you own the world. This is a theme that I have found on almost every other map game I've since you own. AP at least acts like a sensable moderator. You however are just terrible. Why you even tried to have AP removed as a mod on PMII was an act I found pitiful. At least he'll say why an act was implausible instead of slam people with "Implausogasm". Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 20:05, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry Viva but this is so implausible I don't even know where to start... Sure, you can invade Denmark (which I already did, btw), but you can't suppport your troops there with supplies or reinforcements. It's all about logistics. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 20:09, January 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll address you instead. The matter of logistics was never an issue that I found difficult at all. I forsaw the issue as I am clearly capable of understanding the issues with an African nation sending troops to a European nation. I expanded the navy with the goal that it would be able to support you in combat. Also, I also expected Germany to assist in the logistical field since you control most of Europe. Thus, that was a temporary matter that I would address with the expansion of the navy and the support of my allies. And I never implied that I was a leader in the conflict, but a supporting, like Canada or India. Plus, given the fact that I already recieved the training and technology from Italy and Japan, I never saw in issue as to why Ethiopia wasn't allowed to take part in the fighting in Europe. India and Austraila did, why not closer Ethiopia? Sorry for any confusion. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 20:20, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * Quote on quote:
 * "Africa can help Europe."
 * You never implied that you were a leader in the conflict?
 * "Ethiopia (L +4)"
 * [[Image:IMPERIAL NY-SPQR 1.png|25px]][[Image:Regen Flag.png|30px|border]] Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 20:29, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * Because I lead the invasion of Denmark, not the war. I'm pretty sure the rules say whoever leads the fight get the "L +4". Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 20:34, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, and you leading the fight is implausible. For hell's sake, it's 1940, not 2020. Africa is not leading an invasion into Europe. (Unless it's Morocco and Spain or Libya and Italy or something.) [[Image:IMPERIAL NY-SPQR 1.png|25px]][[Image:Regen Flag.png|30px|border]] Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 20:50, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * You know what, I done and I'm putting a stop to this right now. I tired of fighting you. I just want to play. I'm sorry for the insults so can we just go back to the game? I'll make Ethiopia a silent participent and nothing more if it'll stop these long-winded arguments. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 21:09, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Took the words right out of my mouth.

And for the record, we explained what we meant to you. (AP and I.)

"All you can do is send men and guns...Africa is never invading Europe, but Africa can help Europe." ~ Me

Unless you did not read that (and if you didn't, I'm sure you are now), you have been explained to.

"I concur, Ethiopia invading Denmark is like Brunei invading Canada." ~ AP

"...Europe invades Europe and Africa invades Africa." ~ Me

Thrice.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 20:12, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Congragulations. You can count. So can I. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 20:20, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Dude just invade the Middle East and take over the oil supply... :) PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:58, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Actually I think only going as far as Yemen would work. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:01, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Italy

 * Location: +3 (close to the war)


 * Tactical Advantage: +1


 * Strength: Italy (L+4)= +4
 * Greater economy: +3
 * Greater population: +3
 * Motive: +6 (Social/Moral, liberate ethnic Italians)


 * Morale: +0
 * Special Status: +10
 * Economic Situation: +1 (Average Economy)


 * Chance: +8
 * 15:12
 * 1*5*1*2= 10
 * 10/4698= 0.00212856534
 * 0.00212856534*pi= 0.00668708523
 * 0.00668708523
 * Total: 32

Yugoslavia

 * Location: +5 (At the War)


 * Tactical Advantage: +2


 * Strength: Yugoslavia (L+4)= +4


 * Motive: +10


 * Morale:+0


 * Economic Situation:-3


 * Chance: +8
 * Total: 28

Result
Italy crushes Yugoslavia and takes a part of Yugoslavia. The war continues.

Swedish Conques of Norway
Sweden (Belligerent)
 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Sweden (L, +4), Soviet Union (M, BC + 7), Germany (M, BC +7), Finland (S +2) = +20
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +6 (Social/Moral)
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: (Can I do an RNG? My edit count skyrocketed over what it was when the war started.) 5
 * Total: 59

Norway (Defendant)

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Norway (L+4), Britain (M, BC+7), France (S+3) = +13
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +4
 * Total: 39

Result
1942: Swedish victory: Sweden seizes Northern Norway and the southeastern regions. Norway reduced to a stub, prime for continued invasion.

Germany (Belligerent)

 * Location: +3
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Germany (L, BC +8), Soviet Union (S, BC + 6), Ethiopia (S +2), Sweden (S +2) = +18
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Motive: +6 (Social/Moral)
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +5
 * 18:03
 * 1*8*1*3= 24
 * 24/7806= 0.00307455803
 * 0.00307455803*pi= 0.00965900892
 * 0.00965900892
 * Total: 51

France(Defendant)

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: France (L+4), Britain (M, BC+7) = +11
 * Greater population: +3
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: -2 (Military defeats in the Low Countries)
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +0
 * Total: 34

Result
Germany crushes French resistance and rolls into Paris. France capitulates (as in OTL.) Vichy France is set up as a puppet government while Northern France is put into German occupation.

Ethiopia (Belligerent)

 * Location: +4 (Next to War - Rules say so)
 * Tactical Advantage: +1 (Goes by capital, and Sana'a not in the Arabian Desert)
 * Strength: Ethiopia (L +4)
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +3 (Economical)
 * Special Status: 0
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Plausibility Points: +2 (Against non-user state)
 * Chance: +4
 * 17:04
 * 1*7*0*4= 21
 * 21/1576= 0.0133248730964467
 * 0.0133248730964467*pi= 0.0418401015228426
 * 0.0418401015228426
 * Total: 29

North Yemen (Defendant)

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: +2 (See previous)
 * Strength: North Yemen (L +4)
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: -1 (North Yemen was dirt poor and fractured before the oil, and is still dirt poor and fractured with it today)
 * Chance: +1
 * Total: 21

Result
Ethiopian victory. Half of North Yemen conquered.

Japan

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * Strength: Japan (L, BC +7), Ethiopia (M +3)
 * Greater industry: 3
 * Motive: 6
 * Morale: 0
 * Econimic situation: +5
 * Chance: 1
 * 1*4*2*3=24
 * 24/2134=0.01125
 * 3.14=0.0353139643861293
 * Total: 30

China

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical: +2
 * Strength: China (L +4), India (M +3)
 * Greater population: 3
 * Motive: 10
 * Morale: -2
 * Economy: +1
 * Chance: +6
 * Total: 32

Result
Japan is pushed back a out of Shanghai to status ante que bellum (of this attack)

Discussion
Japan definitely does not have a greater population than China lol... PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 17:26, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Germany (Belligerent)

 * Location: +3
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Germany (L, BC +8), Soviet Union (S, BC + 6), Ethiopia (S +2), Sweden (S +2) = +18
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +6 (Social/Moral)
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +1
 * 12:32
 * 1*2*3*2= 12
 * 12/7825= 0.00153354632
 * 0.00153354632*pi= 0.00481777787
 * 0.00481777787
 * Total: 50

Italy (Defendant)

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Italy (L+4)= +4
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +3
 * Chance: +7
 * Total: 31

Result
Germany crushes Italian resistance and rolls over the Alps into Northern Italy. German troops pull out after their point is made.

Ethiopia (Belligerent)

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: -2
 * Strength: Ethiopia (L +4), Germany (M, BC +7), Japan (S, BC + 6) = +16
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +5 (Political)
 * Special Status: +0
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +5
 * 12:30
 * 1*2*3*0= 6
 * 6/1589= 0.0037759597230963
 * 0.0037759597230963*pi= 0.0118565135305223
 * 0.0118565135305223
 * Total: 39

Anglo-Egyptian Sudan (Defendant)

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: +5
 * Strength: Britain (L+4), United States (S, BC +5) = +9
 * Motive: +5
 * Morale: -2
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +1
 * Total: 28

Result
Ethiopian forces march over Khartoum and take most of Sudan.

Germany (Belligerent)

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Germany (L, BC+8), Ethiopia (S+2), Portugal (M+3), Romania (M+3), Hungary (MV+2), Bulgaria (M+3), Vichy France (M+3), Spain (M+3), Finland (M+3) = +30
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +5 (Social/Moral)
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +0
 * 15:01
 * 1*5*1*1= 5
 * 5/7825= 0.00063897763
 * 0.00063897763*pi= 0.00200740744
 * 0.00200740744
 * Total: 61

Sweden (Defendant)

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Sweden (L+4), Britain (M, BC +7), Norway (MV, +2), Estonia (MV, +2), Latvia (MV, +2), Lithuania (MV, +2), USA (M, BC +7) = +32
 * Motive: +10
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +0
 * Total: 57

Result
This is really close...

Discussion
You forget the Allies and Swedish vassals. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 20:07, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Germany still crushes. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 20:08, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

18 is less than half of 50 and almost a fourth of 68. I foresee a stalemate.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 20:15, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Why is economy only +3? PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 16:06, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Japan
Location: 3

Advantage: 1

Strength: Military help:0, nonmilitary help: 1(Ethiopia) Greater pop: 3, Greater industry:3 Big Cheese:4

Motive: 6

morale:-2

Econimic situation: 3

Chance:

13:56-1*3*5*6=90

90/2136=0.04213483

3.14=0.13230337 Chance: 3

total: 25

French indochina
Location: 5

advantage:2

Strength: military: 1(Mainland france is being invaded, they cant to nothing halfway around the world, but Britain), nonmilitary: 0

Motive:10

Morale:0

Economic situation: -5(Poor, and France is bing invaded)

Chance 3

Total: 16

Result
Japan storms through Northern French Indochina, and captures Hanoi, A lot of Northern indochina is taken..

Ethiopia (Belligerent)

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: -2
 * Strength: Ethiopia (L +4), Germany (M, BC +7), Japan (S, BC + 6) = +16
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +5 (Political)
 * Special Status: +0
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +2
 * 16:13
 * 1*6*1*3= 18
 * 18/1591= 0.011313639220616
 * 0.011313639220616*pi= 0.0355248271527341
 * 0.0355248271527341
 * Plausibility Points: 0
 * Total: 36

Anglo-Egyptian Sudan (Defendant)

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: +5
 * Strength: Britain (L+4), United States (S, BC +5) = +9
 * Motive: +5
 * Morale: -2
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +2
 * Plausibility Points: +1
 * Total: 30

Result
Ethiopian forces take a considerable porting of land in southern Sudan.

United States

 * Location: 3 (2 Would be Europe)
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * Strength: USA (LBC8), UK (MBC7), Sweden (S2), Swedish vassals (4*S2=8) = 25
 * Motive: 5
 * Morale: -3
 * Economy: 3
 * Plausibility Points: 1.5
 * Chance: 5
 * UTC TIME: 02:14
 * 1 x 2 x 1 x 4 = 8
 * User Edit Count:6,096
 * 8/6,096*pi (you are supposed to use the pi button) = 0.041252582 (That was 6th, not fifth)
 * Total: 40.5

Mexico
Total: 31
 * Location: 3
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * Strength: Mexico (L4), Belize (MV2), Germany (MBC7), Portugal (M3), Spain(M3) (only plausible helpers here) = 19
 * Motive: 5
 * Morale: -3
 * Economy: 3 ( Mexico had a fairly well economy, and the recession barely affected them)
 * Chance: 2

Outcome
The US of A begins an incursion along border territories.

Discussion
how does Sweden and the UK send aid tot he USA when thee a bit occupied in Europe? Its like Germany sending aid to Japan after D-Day, it aint gonna hapen.

~ Dean

Then how does Germany help Mexico? Eh?

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 03:16, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Japan

 * LOcation 3
 * Tactical:1
 * Strength: Military help: 1, Nonmilitary help: 1Greater pop, 3, Greater Industry: 3, Big Cheese:4
 * Motive: 6
 * Special Revolution+ Chance higher than 6:+10
 * morale:0
 * Economy: 3
 * Chance: 18:45 1*8*4*5: 160
 * 160/2140=0.07476636
 * 3.14=0.23476636
 * total: 41

French Indochina

 * location: 5
 * Tactical: 2
 * Strength: 0
 * motive 10
 * morale -2
 * Economy: -5
 * Chance: 3
 * total:13

Result
Japan steamrols thro Indochina, taking the country.

Discussion

Has anyone noticed...
That this game has frankly become an implausofest? There are multiple things wrong with it. A few that I can name are:

Germany allying with Ethiopia: You've got to be kidding me. HItler abhorred Africans and would never lower himself to the level of allying with an African nation.

The fact that Germany just "seized" Egypt-- come on I think Germany is overplaying their capabilities a little too much. They can't even reach Egypt with Sweden and the UK in possession of the G-I-UK Line.

Ethiopia in general: Sending thousands even millions of troops to Japan, Europe, and their own home in East Africa all while claiming that they have a "great economy" which they are (very)far from.

All of these nations randomly switching sides: Yes, it happened in OTL but with due reason. In this game, the players do it to save their own skin and join the Axis(with the exception of Sweden and the USSR)

AP (talk) 21:46, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Acctuaally I just left the Axis because apart from Ethiopia Theyve been Ignoring Me, In hopes of making our own triparte pact with Sweden and the USSR. Dose not mean Im joining the Allies

~ Old Baby.

Germany allying with Ethiopia: You've got to be kidding me. HItler abhorred Africans and would never lower himself to the level of allying with an African nation. The fact that Germany just "seized" Egypt-- come on I think Germany is overplaying their capabilities a little too much. They can't even reach Egypt with Sweden and the UK in possession of the G-I-UK Line. Ethiopia in general: Sending thousands even millions of troops to Japan, Europe, and their own home in East Africa all while claiming that they have a "great economy" which they are (very)far from. All of these nations randomly switching sides: Yes, it happened in OTL but with due reason. In this game, the players do it to save their own skin and join the Axis(with the exception of Sweden and the USSR)
 * Alliance of convenience. Besides, Hitler abhorred Asians as well, but he allied with the Japanese.
 * Wut? The GIUK line is Greenland-Ireland-UK. I took it through Italian ports...and it happened in OTL anyways.
 * Kind of agree with, although they didn't sent "millions" of troops to Japan and Europe. They sent none to Europe, in fact, and to Japan they sent a couple thousand soldiers. Hardly a real help to Japanese troops.
 * What players? I suppose Italy kind of, but they did do that in OTL. I can't think of any other side... please explain further.

PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 21:52, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Japan was more strategic. He pushed it a bit when he allied to them, but an African alliance? If that's not over the edge then i dont know what is. When did the Germans seize Egypt in OTL? You better stop Ethiopia's player now because he will vigorously oppose independence movements, etc by claiming a bunch of crap is evidence and then he'll claim that he is a superpower. Greece randomly switched sides, and other nations i can't think of right now.AP (talk) 22:00, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

I had my doubts, so i checked. Egypt was never once occupied by Germany. This latest conquest of the Near East is incredibly implausible and it shocks me that you're doing this Pita.AP (talk) 22:08, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Adolf Hitler sent his army to North Africa starting in February 1941 (see Operation Sonnenblume). Nazi Germany's General Erwin Rommel's Deutsches Afrikakorps coming from victories at Tobruk in Libya, and in a classic blitzkrieg, comprehensively outfought British forces. Within weeks the British had been pushed back into Egypt. Rommel's offensive was eventually stopped at the small railway halt of El Alamein, just 150 miles from Cairo. In July 1942 the First Battle of El Alamein was lost by Rommel because he was suffering from the eternal curse of the desert war, long supply lines. The British, with their backs against the wall, were very close to their supplies, and had fresh troops on hand. In early September 1942 Rommel tried again to break through the British lines during the Battle of Alam Halfa. He was decisively stopped by the newly arrived British commander, Lieutenant General Bernard Montgomery. With British forces from Malta interdicting his supplies at sea, and the massive distances they had to cover in the desert, Rommel could not hold the El Alamein position forever. Still, it took a large set piece battle from late October to early November 1942, the Second Battle of El Alamein to defeat the Germans forcing them to retreat westwards towards Libya and Tunisia. The German's strategic goal had been to slice through Egypt, capture the Suez Canal, enter the British Mandate of Palestine, activate an Arab uprising against the British, and finally link up with German forces thrusting south from Southern Russia. The Vichy French forces who were the Nazi's allies, controlled Algeria to the west and Syria to the north of Palestine and were awaiting Nazi triumphs. But all this was foiled by Montgomery's victory over Rommel at El Alamein.

They did invade, they were just pushed back. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:12, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

You said Germany occupied Egypt, that's different from invading Egypt. Still there are no algorithms for any of those Middle East conquests... And this whole game is acting as if the Allies are a bunch of ragdolls being pushed around by Germany and friends. Seriously they have not won a single algorithm and that fact is further evidence that this game has gone asb.AP (talk) 22:17, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Honestly, to me, I've been really enjoying this game, and as Scraw said down below, that why does this have to be beta? It seems to be the most accurate alternate version of WWII I've seen yet on this site. Stewdio333 (talk) 22:27, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Wut Middle East conquests? Palestine I think was a no-brainer, and Syria used to be French but was turned over to Germany. Also, this game will NOT be reset :) This is the funnest map game I've ever played too. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:40, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Yay! Anyways, I'm loving me this World War II. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:47, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Vassals
The grayed out stuff on the maps are Germany's vassals. The black stuff are direct conquests. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 21:52, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

I'll do a 2 tint for my clients to.The River Nile-2 (talk) 22:50, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Sweden (Aggressor)

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Sweden (L+4), Britain (M, BC +7), Norway (MV, +2), Estonia (MV, +2), Latvia (MV, +2), Lithuania (MV, +2), USA (M, BC +7), USSR (M, BC +7) = +38
 * Motive: +5
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +0
 * Total: 63

Finland

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Finland (L+4), Germany (M, BC+7), Denmark (MV+2), Netherlands (MV+2), Belgium (MV+2), Luxembourg (MV+2) = 19
 * Motive: +10
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +0
 * Chance: +0
 * Total: 45

Result
Finland collapses to the Swedes and Soviets.

Discussion
I don't know if you can get this or not, but not everyone can have full Ms or MVs in Finland. It's just not logical. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:00, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Liberation of the BeNeLux
Allies (Aggressor)
 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Sweden (L+4), Britain (M, BC +7), Norway (MV, +2), Estonia (MV, +2), Latvia (MV, +2), Lithuania (MV, +2), USA (S, BC +6), USSR (S, BC +6), Finland (MV+2) = +38
 * Motive: +6
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +1
 * 18:32
 * 1*8*3*2= 48
 * 48/9597= 0.00500156298
 * 0.00500156298*pi= 0.01571287354
 * 0.01571287354
 * Total: 62

Axis

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Germany (L, BC+8), Hungary (MV+2), Romania (MV+2), Portugal (M+3), Spain (M+3), Ethiopia (S+2), Vichy France (MV+2), Bulgaria (MV+2) = +25
 * Motive: +5
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +7
 * Total: 58

Result
Stalemate.

Discussion
Africa? In the BeNeLux? Slavs? Across Europe where they hate to be?

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:08, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

...I could say the same about your vassals too... Besides Ethiopia is providing support in name only, and in supplies only too. I will concede on Tunisia, though. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 23:18, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

OK then. How about a small part of XYZ?

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:21, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Alright. We'll finalize all that in the peace treaty. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 23:25, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, I sent an expeditionary force to Europe in 1940. Ethiopia is supporting Germany militarily. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 00:25, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Allied Invasion of Germany (Operation Syd) (1946/1947/1948)
Allies (Belligerent)
 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Sweden (L+4), Britain (L, BC +7), Soviet Union (L, BC+7) Norway (MV, +2), Estonia (MV, +2), Latvia (MV, +2), Lithuania (MV, +2), USA (S, BC +6), Swedish Finland (MV, +2), Portugal (M, +3) = +37
 * Motive: +5 (Social/Moral)
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +6
 * 17:05
 * 1*7*1*5= 35
 * 35/9593= 0.00364849369
 * 0.00364849369*pi= 0.01146208098
 * 0.01146208098
 * Total: 71

Germany (Defendant)

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Germany (L, BC+8), Romania (M+3), Hungary (M+3), Bulgaria (M+3), Tunisia (MV+2) = +19
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +10 (Life and Death)
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +8
 * Total: 65

Discussion
Dude, this war hasn't even happened yet...it's a plan... Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:12, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, my bad. But lets keep it up there for reference. PitaKang-  (But here's my number | So call me maybe)  22:12, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

I'll move it under the current wars. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:19, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

I love this game. Do we really have to undo the beta? Let's keep it. Please? Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:22, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Date is tentative. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:26, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Ok. No reset :) PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:30, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Liberation of the NeLux (1944)
Allies (Aggressor)


 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Sweden (L+4), Britain (M, BC +7), Norway (MV, +2), Estonia (MV, +2), Latvia (MV, +2), Lithuania (MV, +2), USA (S, BC +7), USSR (M, BC +7), Belgium (M+3), Holland (M+3), Finland (MV+2) = +40
 * Motive: +6
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +7


 * 18:37
 * 1*8*3*7= 168
 * 168/9601= 0.01749817727
 * 0.01749817727*pi= 0.05497214517
 * 0.05497214517
 * Total: 73

Axis

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Germany (L, BC+8), Spain (M+3), Vichy France (MV+2), Balkan Vassals (MV*3+6), Portugal (M+3), Tunisia (MV+2) = +30
 * Motive: +5
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +4
 * Total: 60

Result
Luxembourg is freed.

Discussion
Pita, part of Finland has been vassalized. Belgium and the Netherlands have been freed. Luxembourg itself would not fight us. You yourself greyed out the Balkan vassals. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:47, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

But the invasion of Benelux in the first place didn't work. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:51, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Fixed and fixed.

Axis-Allies Peace Treaty
The Axis and Allies will cease offensive operations against each other. Once this is confirmed more parts can be created. Temporary truce? PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:42, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

How about only in Europe? (Because we know you guys don't care about Mexico either.)

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:48, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Sure. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:53, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Deal, two years. Also, let's not get anyone else in either alliances.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:56, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

The Axis will just use this to regroup and commit more atrocities. We need to act now to free those under German subjugation! CrimsonAssassin (talk) 22:58, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

How about we keep bickering about an agreement until we reach a boiling point (ex: nuke use).

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:01, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Okay then. We nuke a couple of cities each? Then things cool down? PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 23:02, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Deal. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:05, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

How about you let Belgium and Holland go? Eh?

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:43, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Fine. They may go. And I'll let Denmark go as well, as soon as all the Jews have been cleansed. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 20:45, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

No cleansing. You may take some into Germany, though. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 20:48, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Nukes
The only nations really working on nukes are Germany and Sweden. Germany has Bob Open-Hammer and Ain Stain, and Sweden has Enrico Fermi. What now?

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:56, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Stuff. How bout Germany creates nukes, then Sweden 2 months later? PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:58, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

K. But who uses them first? Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:00, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

No one. Yet. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 23:01, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

OK, how about 1945 we develop nukes and 1946 one of us uses the nukes?

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:04, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Ok. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 23:05, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Britain's working on one too. Could have sworn the US was developing nukes as well. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 23:07, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

But the US has no real scientists. Germany has almost all of the Jewish scientists that eventually went over to the US. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 23:09, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah. And Britain just started. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:10, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Spain is also working on nukes with Germany. (But don't tell anyone) Stewdio333 (talk) 03:49, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

This Game
This game has just been EPIC... It's like Dota, just back and forth and back and forth... best Axis vs Allies game to date? PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 23:01, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. All thanks to Sweden's back-and-forthing and Fed's amazing twists in the USSR. ;) Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:02, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

And the incredibly aggressive Germany ;) PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 23:03, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

And btw there has been a stalemate for the liberation of BeNeLux by a 4 points spread. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 23:05, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

One of the best game I played since joined, With Finland gone, I think I must change nationRdv65 (talk) 23:08, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Go to... how bout Portugal, Iraq, etc? PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 23:09, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

I agree. This is the best game to date. Very interactive, and I feel that the game is far most steamline after the last four. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 23:10, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

It was slow at first, but once it took off it became a clasic.!The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:15, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

I asked below, now I'm asking here. Am I allow to control the Protectorate Danish Government, which still governs domestic affairs? Laptop_Zombie 04:24, January 27, 2013 (UTC)



Yeah.

Anyways, here's the trailer for this game. (Take out the aliens.) Some guy made this cool video for Turtledove's Worldwar.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 05:16, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Dammit, Scraw! Now I want to make another BFE map game lol CrimsonAssassin (talk) 05:25, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Lol, maybe you should. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 05:28, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Ethiopia (Belligerent)

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: -2
 * Strength: Ethiopia (L +4), Germany (M, BC +7), Italy (M +3), Japan (S, BC +6), North Yemen (MV+2), Djibouti (MV+2) = +23
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +5 (Political)
 * Special Status: +0
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +5
 * 18:22
 * 1*8*2*2= 32
 * 32/1596= 0.0200501253132832
 * 0.0200501253132832*pi= 0.0629573934837093
 * 0.0629573934837093
 * Plausibility Points: 0
 * Total: 46

Anglo-Egyptian Sudan (Defendant)

 * Location: +2
 * Tactical Advantage: +5
 * Strength: Sudan (L+4), Britain (M, BC + 7), Kenya (MV + 3), United States (S, BC +5) = +19
 * Motive: +5
 * Morale: -2
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +9
 * Plausibility Points: +1
 * Total: 43

Result
Tactical Ethiopian victory.

Ethiopia (Belligerent)

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: -2
 * Strength: Ethiopia (L +4), Germany (M, BC +7), Italy (M +3), North Yemen (MV+2) = +17
 * Motive: +5 (Political)
 * Special Status: +0
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +5
 * 18:22
 * 1*8*2*2= 32
 * 32/1596= 0.0200501253132832
 * 0.0200501253132832*pi= 0.0629573934837093
 * 0.0629573934837093
 * Plausibility Points: 0
 * Total: 34

British Somaliland (Defendant)

 * Location: +2
 * Tactical Advantage: +5
 * Strength: Britain (L, BC + 7), (South Yemen (MV+2), United States (S, BC +5), Sweden (S, +2), Ind/Pop = 25
 * Motive: +5
 * Morale: -2
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +9
 * Plausibility Points: +1
 * Total: 49

Result
Marginal British victory. No territory gained.

Discussion
Do you really think you have more industry and more population than Great Britain?AP (talk) 01:28, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Pay attention to the combatants. Ethiopia itself no. Ethiopia, Germany, Japan, and Italy combined yes. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 02:00, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

My good sir, it is  the leader. >:@ And Japan withdrew from the Axis. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 04:02, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Japan promised military aid to Ethiopia, not the Axis, hence my reason for including it in the algorithim. We were allies before either nation joined the Axis Powers to begin with hence the commitment. Additionally, without India, and with Germany controlling most of Europe, the Axis have a far larger population and industrial base than the US and Britian combined. Plus, Sweden didn't make any commitments to the fight in East Africa during the turn. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 04:05, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

So? Alliances conflict. If Germany and co. is aiding you, Japan will not. And it doesn't matter: we are going by leaders, not altogethers. Britain trumps Ethiopia several times over. And I do what I want Sweden. Here is my declaration. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 04:13, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

So what your saying is that since your alliance can't by beat the Axis in a straight fight, your choosing to go by leaders to win a fight you were just going to lose anyway. That's what I'm reading. Japan can choose who it supports, and XX said he would support me. He can do what he wants with Japan, and he chose to aid me against you. And Britian is a paper dragon. It just lost half its empire in the span of five years. And what the algorithim says thrumps what you say. And it says we're going by "altogethers". So right now my alliance just beat yours. Just imagine what would have happened if only the British fought the Germans alone because of the silly "leader" rule. Saw how that worked out now didn't we? Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 04:18, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Chill man. Sheesh! Always this problem. One little thing and you rage. Controlled much? The industry/population goes by leader, as the leader is the one invading/defending. We have always been doing this. If we didn't the game would delve into an Allied wankfest and no WWII. If you want to fight the rules, talk to Pita. Until then, you are not getting the PI bonus. (And that's only if he agrees.) And you actually need The old baby to say he's supporting you, due to the alliances gallion. And Egypt is not a vassals. Dark greys are German vassals.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 04:31, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

I don't rage. I only make valid points when I'm trying to make a point. Sorry about that. And The old baby's response on my take page:


 * Me- Hey, can I count on Japanese support in East Africa? I plan to take the British possessions in the region and use them to help you in China.

In much the same way you just declared your support for the allies on the talk page, so too did he on my talk talk page. Also, I'm pretty sure I said German Egypt, which like Britain I called on to support me in the fighting since its an Axis vassal. However, I am willing to concede on this matter. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 04:39, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Him- Sure, I will give you support in my next turn.

Yeah I said that, but that was a few years before this happend and your Good axis Friends gave me no support, and  prettty much ignored me, so I jumped sides, you dont get my help anymore.

How did I ignore you when I had an entire military force in Taiwan? I even stated that Ethiopia was active in China for five straight turns, and stop reporting on it when you focused entirely on your civil war. I never ignored you, you just never acknowledge my support. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 20:14, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Denmark?
Is it possible for me to still play as Denmark while Denmark is occupied by Germany? Cuz in OTL Denmark still keeps its king and government in this era, and governs internal politics. Laptop_Zombie 01:49, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Liberation of Portugal (1944)
Allies (Aggressor)
 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Sweden (L+4), Britain (L, BC +8), Norway (MV, +2), Estonia (MV, +2), Latvia (MV, +2), Lithuania (MV, +2), USA (M, BC +7), USSR (M, BC +7), Belgium (M+3), Holland (M+3), Finland (MV+2), Industry/Population (Britain) = +47
 * Motive: +6
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance:


 * Total: 73+chance

Axis

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Germany (M, BC+7), Spain (L+4), Vichy France (MV+2), Balkan Vassals (MV*3+6), Tunisia (MV+2) = +27
 * Motive: +5
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +3
 * Chance:
 * Total: 57+chance

Result
Portugal is taken. New Allied government installed.

Discussion
It was never taken over... PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 21:58, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Really? We thought it was... Oh well, new Allied Power!

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:00, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Wut... they joined us cause we threatened them. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:06, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Finalized Peace Treaty
Germany can retain all conquered lands in Eastern Europe, since no one really cares about them. France can have most of its lands back. Germany will keep the German-speaking regions of the East. The Low Countries may go free. All hostilities stop. Deal? Also what happened to the Mid East conquests and Egypt... PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:00, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Egypt will be given independence and the Arab locations will be given back to their masters. We will all arrange for Italy to release Yugoslavia and all regions taken from France. Franco-German regions will have referendums on which nation to go to (RNGs). OK?

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:04, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

No. Syria and Palestine will be given independence as well. I don't care about Italy. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:05, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Can I keep Belgium? PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:06, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Also then give Finland independence as well. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:08, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Finland is not gaining independence. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:09, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Then neither is Egypt. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:20, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Why? Finland went to war us. Egypt did nothing to you. Your argument is invalid. Plus, who give a hell about owning Egypt? There's nothing there. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:24, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

The Suez Canal is the only reason I think they want to keep Egypt. Enclavehunter (talk) 22:25, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

You got it. Also, Egypt was part of Britain, who went to war with us. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:26, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

So? Egypt is still Egypt, not Britain. There will no Finland for the remainder of history. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:30, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

You know if you want the Suez Canal. Just do a Suez Canal Zone (similiar to the Panama Canal Zone) excepts its in Egupt and runned by Germans. Enclavehunter (talk) 22:35, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Okay. Sure, Egypt will get independence. I keep Canal Zone. Deal. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:38, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Actually I planned on not having peace accords. We cannot afford to have Hitler and Germany survive. We need to destroy Germany!

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:40, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

No metagaming though. Let's keep arguing over petty little things, OK?

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:41, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Don't worry, I'm going to have Hitler killed in 1945 lol. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:48, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Is the US still at war with Mexico? Suzon says were not, according to hime he demilitarized, left the war, and gave me land. But I never did agree to anything. Are we still at war or not? Enclavehunter (talk) 22:49, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

No, you are not.

@ Pita:

And then the successor finished nukes, nukes Sweden, restarts the war, and Nazi Germany collapses?

Btw, when did you get Turkey?

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:52, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

I didn't really "get" Turkey. They just joined the Axis, but they have to obey the Nazis. I threatened to invade/nuke em. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 00:16, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Also, my plan is to have during the nuking for most of the Nazi party to die. Then the Army would take over and destroy the Nazis. The Third Reich would remain, but none of the expansionist/racist stuff. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 00:17, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

OK...let's proceed with matters, shall we?

Also, when do you and I get our nukes. 45?

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:22, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah 45. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 00:25, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Can I be a Big Cheese after I get my nuke? Maybe replace Japan or the UK? Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:28, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

If you two get your nukes in 45. When could the US get its. I'd say 1950 or 1951. Enclavehunter (talk) 00:30, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

I think more like 47 or 48. No later than 49. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:33, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

17 Point Plan
We ask for Eastern France the parts of Holland to have referendums. (I did RNGs for French areas.) Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:28, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Egypt will be given independence, but Germany will retain the Suez Canal Zone.
 * 2) Palestine and Syria will be given independence.
 * 3) France will reclaim most of France
 * 4) Belgium will be given independence
 * 5) Denmark will be given independence
 * 6) Tunisia will be given independence
 * 7) Madagascar and all surrounding islands will be given independence
 * 8) Sudan will be given independence
 * 9) Germany will retain parts of Eastern France and Holland. (This is to protect the Ruhr industrial area.)
 * 10) Southern Algeria will be given to France
 * 11) Kaliningrad will be given back to the Soviet Union.
 * 12) Gibraltar will be given back to Britain.
 * 13) Holland will remain under occupation.
 * 14) Italy will pull out of France
 * 15) Italy will retain Yugoslavia but lose the rest of their conquests.
 * 16) Italy will withdraw from Sudan.
 * 17) Britain will withdraw from Iceland.

Also all colonies will return to their original owners, except for the ones that will be given independence. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:30, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

It's not a matter of RNGs as more of "we're staying here." Also, we need Holland to defend our industrial areas. Not joking. Why do you think Hitler invaded the Low Countries in the first place? PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 00:33, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

But we don't care. :( Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:35, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

So we're staying there. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 00:44, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Then there won't be peace. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:49, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Fine then. Go RNG. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 00:58, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Whoa whoa whoa chill, don't go giving away our plans!                  ♒   "Fear the power    of the Dark Side of the Force."  03:51, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Denmark is starting researches on nukes. When can I get it? Regards, Laptop_Zombie 03:47, January 28, 2013 (UTC).

1952.                  ♒   "Fear the power    of the Dark Side of the Force."  03:51, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

I really need 8 years? What about cooperation with Sweden? And sorry about exposing that. Is Denmark getting back Iceland? Or Greenland? Or the Faroes? Regards, Laptop Zombie 05:58, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, here's Spain's terms with the Peace Treaty (if it will still happen)
 * We will reliqunish control of Gibraltar, as long as it becomes its own soverign nation, not British territory, where Spanish will be permitted as a national language.
 * Southern Algeria can be given to France, as long as we still have control of the oilfields in the North. Any more damage to our economy could be disasterous for all sides.
 * That our military is not limited, and that we may permit the development of weaponry of all types within Spain.
 * Portugal does not establish bases for foreign Armies, we are willing to pay for all the damage that the EEL caused to the Portuguese and their country, but no foreign military prevelence in Portugal. We are willing to accept an "Allies", "Axis" or neutral government in Portugal.
 * The Spanish Arab Dominion remains as Spanish territory, with a Prime Minister in Algiers who is picked under the decision in Madrid. Spanish and Arabic can be accepted, but the region remains under Madrid's rule.
 * Stewdio333 (talk) 08:20, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Australia:We agree  to  Spain's requests on Southern Algeria.The River Nile-2 (talk) 13:22, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Italy agrees to the,plan but wishes for the return of Italian Somalia from Ethiopia. Also, all Italian forces have withdrawn from the,Sudan. (DeanSims: Talk) 14:48, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

India wants japan to give up its lands in china.

You are going to be ignored, India.

Japan could give up a minor  province.The River Nile-2 (talk) 00:35, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Sweden, on behalf of the Allies, accepts the Spanish terms and will establish a neutral government in Portugal if and only if Spain agrees to give the SAD (lol SAD) some sort of independence or autonomy by 1951. (I want you to set off decolonization.)                <span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:5px;padding-top:5px;-webkit-border-radius: 36px 36px;-moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px;-webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#E5E4E2 45%, #282828 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(black,#000000 45%, #282828 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px;"> <font color="#000000" face="Harrington" title="Profile"> ♒  <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  23:51, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Those are harsh terms (for a country like the Spanish State), but we'll accept giving the SAD independence, as long as Spain maintains total ownership of the country's oil wells. Stewdio333 (talk) 00:27, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Banda Aceh and nationalist East Indonisia will become fully indipendent by 1950.0.The River Nile-2 (talk) 00:50, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

The British Empire agrees to these terms, but Gibaltrar must be returned to the British Empire. Also, we ask Italy to withdraw from Sudan. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 02:12, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

As long as Spaniards will be permitted to enter Gibraltar, then alright. Stewdio333 (talk) 05:11, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Australia will make peace with Germany if it agrees to a treaty that is akin to the OTL Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany, but Germany will remain united it it’s ATL borders and have double the number of ATL troops as in OTL’s troop listing.

Thailand
Australia asks Thailand to hand the ATL Muslim and ethnically Malay, Pattani region in the far south over to there non-Thai kinsmen in British Malaya or give it independence because they OTL don;t like Buddhists of Thais. The River Nile-2 (talk) 00:51, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Indonisia


The River Nile-2 (talk) 16:28, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Japan
90/2145=0.04195804
 * Location 3
 * Tactical:1
 * Military help:(Australia)3, nonmilitary 2 GReater pop:3, Greater industry 3, Big Cheese:4
 * Motive:6
 * special: 10
 * Morale:0
 * Economy: 5
 * Chance: 12:59=90

3.14*=0.13174825 Chance=7

total= 47

Siam

 * Location:5
 * tactical:2
 * Mil help:0, non:0, pop:0, indus:0
 * motive:10
 * morale:0
 * economy:1
 * chance: 2
 * total: 20

Result
Japan takes much of northern Siam, while Australia takes muslim siam and a little of South Siam.

1945: Siam is taken and partitioned between Japan, the VSR, and Australia.

Nukes Nukes Nukes!
Let's index up the nuke programs:

Year finish i.e. when nuke production starts. Regards, Laptop Zombie 07:57, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

What about me, Ive had Nuclear posts since 1943 and I have  Yoshio Nishna.XX (talk) 12:08, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Just add another row to the table for your nation. Regards, Laptop Zombie 12:38, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

C'mon people, fill this table up! Regards, Laptop Zombie 13:23, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Italys had nuclear research since 1942.5 and Enrico Fermi is actualy an Italian, so please put him under Italy. (DeanSims: Talk) 14:40, January 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * I had Enrico Fermi move to Sweden. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">           [[Image:Regen Flag.png|25px|link=User:Scrawland Scribblescratch]]    <span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:5px;padding-top:5px;-webkit-border-radius: 36px 36px;-moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px;-webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#E5E4E2 45%, #282828 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(black,#000000 45%, #282828 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px;"> <font color="#000000" face="Harrington" title="Profile"> ♒  <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  23:45, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Just add Italy to the table. Regards, Laptop Zombie 01:25, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

I dont know if the USA accepted the offer of working on the nuke or not, so I added him with me just in caseXX (talk) 20:35, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

With Italy, the USA, and me working together, we should then get done by 1945.5

Italy agrees to work together with you. (DeanSims: Talk) 20:23, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

I hope I fixed the chart, it being really big was bugging me for a while. Stewdio333 (talk) 02:45, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

China?
Does anyone still care about China? AS they are in a civil war anyways, there is no doubt they will become communist. Can I finish them off, or does anyone still care?XX (talk) 12:28, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Just leave Tibet, Hong Kong and Macou alone, but China can be crunched.The River Nile-2 (talk) 19:43, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

I can understand HK and Macou, but why tibet?XX (talk) 20:17, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

I was concerned over Tibet since India, Nepal and the USSR may get worried, because they might not want you capturing it all for your self and get jelose of it, assuming there enamys of Japan.The River Nile-2 (talk) 01:06, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Italian Lead DITO Coalition

 * Location: +2 (Rome is thousands of miles away from Addis Ababa)
 * Tactical Advantage: -2 (Invading mountainous nations which is half desert, attackers advantage )
 * Strength: Italy (L+4), Libya (MV+2), Eritrea (MV+2), Macedonia (MV+2), Serbia (MV+2), Montenegro (MV+2), Sweden (M, +3) Abruzzo (MV+2), Aosta Valley (MV+2), Apulia (MV+2), Basilicata (MV+2), Calabria (MV+2), Campania (MV+2), Emilia-Romagna (MV+2), Friuli-Venezia Giulia (MV+2), Lazio (MV+2), Liguria (MV+2), Lombardy (MV+2), Marche (MV+2), Molise (MV+2), Piedmont (MV+2), Sardinia (MV+2), Sicily (MV+2), Trentino-Alto Adige (MV+2), Tuscany (MV+2), Umbria (MV+2), Veneto (MV+2) = 57
 * Greater economy: +3
 * Greater population: +3
 * Motive: +5 (Political, taking out a long time enemy)
 * Morale: -1
 * Special Status: 0
 * Economic Situation: +3 (Fair Economy)
 * Chance: +8
 * 15:13
 * 1*5*1*3=15
 * 15/4809=.00101289756
 * .00101289756*pi= 0.00318211153
 * Total: 78

Ethiopia (Defender)

 * Location: +5 (At the war)
 * Tactical Advantage: +5 (Defender, desert)
 * Strength: Ethiopia (L+4) = +4
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: 0
 * Economic Situation: +1 (average economy)
 * Chance: +1
 * Total: 25

Result
DITO froces crush the Ethiopians and take mcuh of southern Ethiopia as wellm as parts of northern and central Ethiopia

Discussion
would be apreciated if someone could do this, also Italy is allied with Sweden, Australia, Serbia, Macedonia, and Montenegro as well as japan. (DeanSims: Talk) 14:54, January 28, 2013 (UTC)#

I agree.The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:15, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

thanks to whoever finished it. (DeanSims: Talk) 21:33, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Corrected. Should have done some research on the region first. And how was Ethiopia a longtime enemy if Italy was help help Ethiopia modernize? Which by the way thanks for. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 22:01, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

you totaly screwed that up (DeanSims: Talk) 22:12, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Why? Because I followed the rules? Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 22:31, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Dean stop editing the algorithm. Vassals only count as +2, and Sweden, Aus, and Japan never committed. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:51, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

read the game, japan and both of its vassals did australia did to (DeanSims: Talk) 22:57, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

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Italian Lead DITO Coalition

 * Location: +2 (Rome is thousands of miles away from Addis Ababa)
 * Tactical Advantage: -2 (Invading mountainous nations which is half desert)
 * Strength: Italy (L+4), Libya (MV+2), Eritrea (MV+2), Macedonia (MV+2), Serbia (MV+2), Montenegro (MV+2) Sweden (+3) Abruzzo (MV+2), Aosta Valley (MV+2), Apulia (MV+2), Basilicata (MV+2), Calabria (MV+2), Campania (MV+2), Emilia-Romagna (MV+2), Friuli-Venezia Giulia (MV+2), Lazio (MV+2), Liguria (MV+2), Lombardy (MV+2), Marche (MV+2), Molise (MV+2), Piedmont (MV+2), Sardinia (MV+2), Sicily (MV+2), Trentino-Alto Adige (MV+2), Tuscany (MV+2), Umbria (MV+2), Veneto (MV+2) = 57
 * Greater economy: +3
 * Greater population: +3
 * Motive: +5 (Political, taking out a long time enemy)
 * Morale: -1
 * Special Status: 0
 * Economic Situation: +3 (Fair Economy)
 * Chance: +6
 * 1*7*4*2=56
 * 36/4789= 0.00751723
 * 3.14=0.02360409
 * Total: 76

Ethiopia (Defender)
Tactical Advantage: +5 (Ogaden & Somalian Deserts)
 * Location: +5 (At the war)
 * Strength: Ethiopia (L+4), Ogaden (MV+2), Puntland (MV+2), Djibouti (MV+2), North Yemen (MV+2), Somalia (MV+2), Tigray (MV+2), Southern Regions (MV+2), South Sudan (MV+2), Affar (MV+2), Oromo (MV+2), Gambella (MV+2) = 26
 * Motive:+10
 * Morale: 0 (Never fought the Italian in combat in-game)
 * Economic Situation: +5 (Was always at 5 throughout game)
 * Chance: +2
 * 15:28
 * 1*5*2*7=140
 * 140/1642=0.08500303582270795
 * 0.08526187576126674*pi=0.2677222898903776
 * Total: 53

Result
DITO Victory,  Somalia and much of central and northern Ethiopia is taken.

Discussion
Here's a second algorithim for Dean's sudden invasion. The mods can choose whichever one they feel to be more accurate. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 22:40, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

How is an invasion thats been going on for over a year without you making an algorithm sudden?

Fixed up. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:43, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

his provinces/states dont count, there part of his federation with a one national govwernment, he only gets 4for his strength (DeanSims: Talk) 22:58, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Think of Ethiopia as the British Commonwealth. Multiple nations with one ruling monarch. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 23:04, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

thatsnot the asme thing, your a federartion, birtians a commonwealth, big difference. (DeanSims: Talk) 23:06, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Then explain the difference to us please. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 23:08, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

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 * Not entirely. I gave the provinces, which in OTL are self-governing, partial independence in the last turn. They can maintain militaries, governments, and the like, though they are largely apart of the Ethiopian realm. This addresses a long-standing issue in Ethiopia today regarding ethnicity. So there is little differnce from my nations and the Commonwealth. And dang Scraw, that's some complicated code! Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 23:28, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * I still doubt they should be included in the algorithm. It's like all the SSRs of New Union's USSR being thrown in.
 * As to to other part of your comment, I have one word. Quite.
 * <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">           [[Image:Regen Flag.png|25px|link=User:Scrawland Scribblescratch]]    <span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:5px;padding-top:5px;-webkit-border-radius: 36px 36px;-moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px;-webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#E5E4E2 45%, #282828 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(black,#000000 45%, #282828 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px;"> <font color="#000000" face="Harrington" title="Profile"> ♒  <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  23:31, January 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * Except for the fact that the Ethiopian vassals are actual nations, while the Soviet states have little political power. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 00:21, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * ...You yourself say that they are not vassals. In your federation (or whatever you call it), they are equivalent to US states. And obviously you know nothing of New Union.
 * <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">           [[Image:Regen Flag.png|25px|link=User:Scrawland Scribblescratch]]    <span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:5px;padding-top:5px;-webkit-border-radius: 36px 36px;-moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px;-webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#E5E4E2 45%, #282828 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(black,#000000 45%, #282828 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px;"> <font color="#000000" face="Harrington" title="Profile"> ♒  <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  00:30, January 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * When did I say they weren't vassals? And I have read New Union, just never read much of the political structure of the USSR. Plus I'm using a phone, my fingers get tired, so I didn't do much reading. Cut me a break. So allow me to clarify. Ethiopia is like the British Empire and its dominions which possessed their own militaries. Exact same thing. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 01:22, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * I am now forced to wonder what sane government gives several neighboring regions formerly united under one central government vassal status, deconsolidating a whole empire and giving each and every single former region the full capability to distance itself from the mother nation and eventually becoming an independent nation with the abilities to reconsume what was once a whole empire and establish itself as a minor power. As you can see, this is just plain retarded, as your empire is not widespread and the whole thing borders the rest of it. You may implausibly keep your union, but it will not be implemented in algorithms. And I don't even want to know why you created an algorithm when we already had the one above,  which we are using .
 * <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">           [[Image:Regen Flag.png|25px|link=User:Scrawland Scribblescratch]]    <span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:5px;padding-top:5px;-webkit-border-radius: 36px 36px;-moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px;-webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#E5E4E2 45%, #282828 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(black,#000000 45%, #282828 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px;"> <font color="#000000" face="Harrington" title="Profile"> ♒  <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  00:06, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * And your economy should never have been 5; despite your economy's good state, the bonus is relative, and your economy pales to the Swedish, Soviet, German, American, or even Japanese economy.
 * <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">           [[Image:Regen Flag.png|25px|link=User:Scrawland Scribblescratch]]    <span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:5px;padding-top:5px;-webkit-border-radius: 36px 36px;-moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px;-webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#E5E4E2 45%, #282828 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(black,#000000 45%, #282828 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px;"> <font color="#000000" face="Harrington" title="Profile"> ♒  <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  00:08, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * Shame, since the head mod (which you are not), overruled Dean's algorithim. And maybe you should take a flight to Ethiopia (OTL one thank you), and ask them why they disbanded their provincial system in exchange for a self-governing one. You've been overruled by the very mod you yourself stated you obeyed, and as far as government goes, i can do whatever I want to my nation. Actual nations have done far worse with far more. If I wish to create a union of self-governing nations (which Ethiopia has been more or less over the last couple centuries), then that is my choice. And so you can understand econ-wise, Sweden's economy, even with its new holdings, is absolutely tiny. OTL and ATL wise, your economy is smaller than South Africa's. I've got more people and power than South Africa, so common sense would dictate that I also have more money too. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 02:36, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Australia and The Dutch Government in Exile in the Dutch East Indies pledged to respect the neutrality of Ethiopia after it left the axis and will help neither side if it has. The clients- West Indonesia, Banda Aceh, Timor, North Sulawesi (that is OTL E. Timor and most of Indonesia) are becoming agitated by the war since they are left-wing republicans who don’t like emperors and so send some weapons, kit, mercenaries and volunteer troops, whilst Australia tells them to calm down and prepossess a peace summit.The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:19, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

I added the Italian regions, if Ethiopia can do it, so can I. (DeanSims: Talk) 19:20, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Japan

 * Location:4
 * Tactical:1
 * Strength: Military(5) 15, Nonmilitary(2) 4, Greater Industry:3, Big Cheese:4
 * Motive: 6
 * Special: 10
 * Morale:0
 * Economy:5
 * Chance 2*3*4*2: 48
 * 48/2151; 0.0209205
 * 3.14:0.06569038 Chance:6
 * Total: 58

China

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical:2
 * Strength: Greater Pop:3
 * Motive:10
 * Morale: -3
 * Economy:1
 * Chance: 3
 * Total:21

Result
Most of China is taken to Japan. Haig a new Communist government in Japan, the Communist Rebels in China  Submerge the remanng part into a civil war, which is won and the Extra land land is set up into a vassal.

Aussie overseas assignation plot
A cell of three SIS (Australia's Secret Intelligence Service) agents and a couple of ex-French resistance fighters corner Heinrich Himmler’s car as it speeds out of Hanover. The group has been tracking him for a few months now. The car is desperately sprayed with bullets and crashes into a tree as it swerves out of the way. A grenade is then tossed at it and goes off! A firefight then ensues with the three German outriders. The three SIS agents and the two Frenchmen died and the outriders live. An RNG test will decide the fate of the car’s occupants (Hienrich Himmler, Martin Bormann, the chauffeur, Mr. Himmler’s pet dog, the bodyguard and the private secretary).

Absence
I'm sorry for the unexpected absence, I'm back now. What did I miss? Fed (talk) 23:09, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Germany invaded you, Sweden became a superpower, we won the war, Germany is a new country, you are my little friend. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:5px;padding-top:5px;-webkit-border-radius: 36px 36px;-moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px;-webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#E5E4E2 45%, #282828 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(black,#000000 45%, #282828 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px;"> <font color="#000000" face="Harrington" title="Profile"> ♒  <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  23:19, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

The Australians got an empier, but are now desolving part of it.The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:21, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Japan annexed Veitnam, Siam and CHina, and joined the allies after the axis mistreated them76.189.189.219 00:04, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Wait, so little friend means I'm subservient to you or that I'm your ally? Fed (talk) 00:11, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

You're an ally, but I am more or less the more powerful one. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:5px;padding-top:5px;-webkit-border-radius: 36px 36px;-moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px;-webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#E5E4E2 45%, #282828 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(black,#000000 45%, #282828 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px;"> <font color="#000000" face="Harrington" title="Profile"> ♒  <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  00:21, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

And Denmark is independent, and nuked by Germany, and attacking Germany. Regards, Laptop Zombie 09:33, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Nobody really won the war. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 20:43, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Australia  killed Himmler and Borman!The River Nile-2 (talk) 22:37, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

UN
We tooooooooooooooooooooootally forgot a UN. Who wants to help Sweden make a new UN? Aussie? Denmark? Sovietskaya? Angle Land? Amerika? Fansh? Yapan? Anyone?

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I guess Ethiopia will join in. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 00:03, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Australia will!The River Nile-2 (talk) 00:48, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Have the full backing of the US. Enclavehunter (talk) 03:06, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think so, ILEAN is so enough. I might think again later. Regards, Laptop Zombie 09:18, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Northern War
Would be pleased if someone can do this. Germany nuked Denmark and Sweden, they took a revenge, Sweden nuke Germany and Denmark have some border clashes.

Japan

 * Location:3
 * tactical:1
 * Strength(JApan,VSR,PSRC, USA, Australia) 15, (Italy) 2, Greater Pop:3, Greater Industry:3, Big Cheese:4
 * Motive:6
 * Special:10
 * Morale:0
 * Economic Situation:5
 * Chance
 * 2151: 12
 * 12\2221: 0.00540297
 * 3.14==0.01696533 Chance:9
 * total:61

Bhutan&Nepal

 * Location:5
 * Tactical:2
 * Strength:3
 * Motove:10
 * Morale:0
 * Economy:-1
 * Chance:3
 * Total:22

Result
Bhutan and Nepal are taken by the Japs.
 * Australia is an allie of Japan, Nepal; Italy and Bhutan. It is neatral annd dose not join in.The River Nile-2 (talk) 22:09, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, dosent make much a diffrenceXX (talk) 22:16, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's just a twist of overseas politics that caught me out, no offence meant.The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:09, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Japan

 * Location: 3
 * Tactical:1
 * Strength(Japan,SR,PSRC,USA,Australia,Italy,Macendonia,Libya,Eritrea,Serbia,Montergeno,Exile Dutch,East Indies, Free Timor, NOrth Sulawesi)42, Greater Pop 3, Greater Indus:3 Big Cheese 4
 * Motive: 6
 * Morale:0
 * Special:10
 * Economy:5
 * Chance: 2213:12
 * 12/2222:0.00540054
 * 3.14: 0.01695727 Chance:9
 * Total:86

India

 * Location:5
 * Tactical:2
 * Strength:0
 * Motive10
 * Morale:0
 * Economy:1
 * Chance:2
 * Total:20

Result
Crushing Dito victory 86/4=21.5, Most of the country is in ruins, with Indian government pushed back to Ceylon. Japan claims Pakistan and Mayanmar, and is willing to let a member of DITO have a region.

You cannot take much land here because you have to cross the Himalayas. Just give Muslim areas independence, and take Nepal or Bhutan. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:5px;padding-top:5px;-webkit-border-radius: 36px 36px;-moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px;-webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#E5E4E2 45%, #282828 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(black,#000000 45%, #282828 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px;"> <font color="#000000" face="Harrington" title="Profile"> ♒  <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  22:52, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

This cannot happen. Japan, under all circumstances, will rule no part of India proper. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:5px;padding-top:5px;-webkit-border-radius: 36px 36px;-moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px;-webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#E5E4E2 45%, #282828 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(black,#000000 45%, #282828 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px;"> <font color="#000000" face="Harrington" title="Profile"> ♒  <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  20:19, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Scraw, why dont you just have India become a protectorate or ally, wed love to have them in DITO. (DeanSims: Talk) 20:22, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

ok but i will keep pakistan

Liberation of Yugoslavia
Anyone against Germany liberating Yugoslavia from Italy? Also can I take over Greece so I can have a Mediterranean port? Thanks. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 20:46, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Go for Yugoslavia. Just try to make some of the major ethnicities independent. Greece is a no go. That's pushing it right now. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:5px;padding-top:5px;-webkit-border-radius: 36px 36px;-moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px;-webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#E5E4E2 45%, #282828 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(black,#000000 45%, #282828 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px;"> <font color="#000000" face="Harrington" title="Profile"> ♒  <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  23:10, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Why though? It happened in OTL... PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 23:28, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Because WWII is over and no one has time for all that douchebaggery. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:5px;padding-top:5px;-webkit-border-radius: 36px 36px;-moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px;-webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#E5E4E2 45%, #282828 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(black,#000000 45%, #282828 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px;"> <font color="#000000" face="Harrington" title="Profile"> ♒  <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  23:47, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Germany (Belligerent)

 * Location: +3
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Germany (L, BC+8), Romania (MV+2), Hungary (MV+2), Bulgaria (MV+2), Czechoslovakia (MV+2), Poland (MV+2), Spain (MV+2), Ethiopia (M+3) = +23
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +6 (Social/Moral)
 * Special Status: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +7
 * 18:25


 * 1*8*2*5= 80
 * 80/7960= 0.01005025125
 * 0.01005025125*pi= 0.03157379551
 * 0.03157379551
 * Total: 61

Italy (Defendant)

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Italy (L+4)= +4, Italy (L+4), Libya (MV+2), Eritrea (MV+2), Macedonia (MV+2), Serbia (MV+2), Montenegro (MV+2) Denmark (+3) Campania (MV+2), Liguria (MV+2), Lombardy (MV+2), Piedmont (MV+2), Sardinia (MV+2), Sicily (MV+2), Tuscany (MV+2), Umbria (MV+2), Veneto (MV+2), Baltic vassals of Sweden (MV*3=6) = 41
 * Motive: +5
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +3
 * Chance: +9
 * Total: 64

Result
Italy barely manages to keep German forces out of Yugoslavia, although it begins to see things and give some of the Slavic ethnicities limited autonomy.

Discussion
Germany could set up a  client state like WW2 Croatia, and so on. The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:31, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Also, Ethiopia took Eritrea from Italy in its botched invasion. So you can just take that out of the algorithim. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 00:00, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Wrong. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:5px;padding-top:5px;-webkit-border-radius: 36px 36px;-moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px;-webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#E5E4E2 45%, #282828 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(black,#000000 45%, #282828 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px;"> <font color="#000000" face="Harrington" title="Profile"> ♒  <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  00:07, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Jow does Germany conquer me after just getting nuked 3 times? They shpuldnt be doing any invading. Also Ethiopias provinces didnt count. you cant.be.nuled and carry on so easily. (DeanSims: Talk) 02:02, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

They do count Dean. As you can see that I gave them the same status as British dominions to resolve issues that plauged Ethiopia ATL and OTL over the issue of ethnicity. The Oromo, Amhara, and Tigray are at each others throats, and just as Ethiopia did in 1954 with Eritrea, I gave them nation-status within the wider Ethiopian empire so as to give them so time to cool down. They have militaries, governments, and status as nations, just like Eritrea in the federation with Ethiopia until Ethiopia annexed it starting the Eritrean War of Independence. This is the result of research when you actually do the research. So, I get Eritrea because my dominions do count. And Scraw, use sententences like the rest of us. As for you Dean, I have a navy large enough to move troops to other regions. Even though invading Italy is beyond my desires or motives, I can still fight you. And as this and the last algorithim have shown, Italy is a crap nation. It was in real life, and it still is in alternate history. Also, I'm adding Ethiopia's support for Germany right now. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 02:20, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Also, if you read the current breakdown of the Ethiopia nation in OTL, they replaced the provicial system with a self-governing system, which critics have claimed are too similar to the South African "bantustans", which if you look up, were self-governing nations South Africa planned on releasing, but never recieved international recognition, forcing them to reunite with South Africa. So let's get this clear right now. My "provinces" aren't provinces. Not in ATL or OTL. In this ATL, they are equal to the British dominions (like New Zealand, Austraila, and Canada before their release). Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 02:25, January 31, 2013 (UTC) Fine, ill just carve Italy into about 12 little dominions, if you can do it so easily, why cant I? And Germany was just nuked 5 FREAKING TIMES, IT CANT CARRY OUT AN OFFENSIVE WAR, and its alternate history, if Ethiopia can get a big bad army within 10 years whle not having modern tech before hand, then Italy can bulk up its.military quite easily too. (DeanSims: Talk) 02:51, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

This is where I state you are wrong. I can do it because I have both a reason and historical proof that it can and needs to be done. The Ethiopians in real life did it to keep order. Plus, I have a load of ethnic groups that were demanding it to begin with. Italy however, cannot since there is no major request for such a governmental divide. As for Ethiopia, unlike Italy, my nation was in real life seeking out any and every way to modernize. Italy had no drive to do so, and at the beginning of WWII, your nation was more concerned with using the technology it had rather than trying to aquire new technologies. This is also not to mention the fact that after being united, the Italians in real life don't want to be divided, as they are more united than Ethiopia. The Ethiopians hate each other, but realise they need to remain together, hence the creation of the self-governing regions that replaced the provinces in 1995.

Also, Italy was already modern, but lacked the ability to use the technologies it had. Ethiopia was already seeking out ways to modernize, but was invaded before it could, as was evidenced by the Emperor ordering hundreds of thousands of weapons, uniforms, and munitions, building factories everywhere, and extending electricity where he could. Since you didn't invade Ethiopia when it was modernizing, and instead helped me, you sped up an already swift process of modernization, which was further increased by Japan's aid as well. So I am both a very modern and dangerous nation, as proven by your recent defeat despite the aid of Sweden and Japan and all of your vassal states. Boo freakin' yah. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 03:06, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Also, you nuking Germany is implausible as Germany was always more powerful than you, and defended your nation for you in OTL and ATL. The concept of you attacking Germany, a world superpower, is both impossible and suicidial. I can beat you because I did twice in real life, and again in the game. Your not as hot as you think you are. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 03:14, January 31, 2013 (UTC) Dont care, im dividing like you did, and Sweden nuked Germany ladt turn 5 times, you dont just shrug that off. Make you a deal Ethiopia, we return to pre-war borders and Italy gives you technology for the nuke in return for a non gression pact and defensive alliance. (DeanSims: Talk) 03:28, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think you understand. Ethiopia can divide because it has been done in real life because the people wanted it. Italy cannot be divided because the people don't want it. You'd be stomping on everything achieved by Italy's unifiers, and that wouldn't go over well with the Italian people. And I'm not returning to pre-war borders. I can just make the bomb myself, which I'm close to doing already, and Germany is still too powerful regardless of whether or not you nuke them. But at this point, I honestly don't care anymore. You want to destroy your nation, fine. But don't drag Ethiopia down with you. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 03:43, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

'''Denmark supports Italy. We're simply against Germany. We have nukes also. Look, Hamburg (twice), Dresden, Potsdam and Munich were all nuked. If Germany invade us, we're nuking Frankfurt and, seriously, Berlin. And on the Allies side (Italy), there's at least Sweden, Italy, Japan & the US having nukes, not counting that I am having nukes & against Germany. With so many nukes, the Allies is now able to destroy the whole Germany in 1 month, if we want. Regards, Laptop Zombie 11:24, January 31, 2013 (UTC)'''

I don't think you understand the concept that Germany simply beats you at everything. If they had a mind too, they could take out your tiny nation within days in a single algorithim. And this makes no sense at all to begin with. I just can't understand you all anymore. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 15:51, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Okay this is just ridiculous. Deansims is obviously doing this so he can beat anyone he likes in an algorithm. It's incredulous that he could believe that Italy and his microrepublics could beat Germany and its vassals. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 20:13, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * For once, I will shockingly side with Dean. Ethiopia doing this was total bullcrap, so if you shall let Viva run loose with that, Dean should have the same privilege. But the ones in Central Italy, I admit, should not be there. I will remove some of them. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">           [[Image:Regen Flag.png|25px|link=User:Scrawland Scribblescratch]]    <span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:5px;padding-top:5px;-webkit-border-radius: 36px 36px;-moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px;-webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#E5E4E2 45%, #282828 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(black,#000000 45%, #282828 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px;"> <font color="#000000" face="Harrington" title="Profile"> ♒  <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  20:23, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Also Denmark you were supposed to finish in 1952... PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 20:15, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Ethiopia did that to beat me, so Ill do that to beat you. Also, Italy gives nukes to Denmark. (DeanSims: Talk) 20:15, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Viva, I'm tired of this shite. Every single time I try to sit down and just enjoy a map game, you have to come and b**** about something. PM, PMII, AvARe, TEvsCP, BFERR, the list goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on. Germany can never take out Denmar because I will always side with Denmark and bring my global empire into the fight. I can nuke the crap out of you and Germany at the same time, and with my allies we can do it several times over. Italy has not suffered a defeat since Fall Gelb and is today the fifth most foremost nation in Europe and seventh in the world, while you rank below the following list:

Sweden, Germany, USA, UK, USSR, Japan, Italy, Spain, France, Denmark, Canada, Australia, the CoLA and several other states.

With most of these major powers and their vassals and stuff against you and/or Germany, you can fall any of day of the week.

Just do the world a favor one day, understand your self bias-ness towards your own country, and realize that you are wrong.

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Hilarious. Coming from the worst mod I've ever had the displeasure of dealing with. Scraw, you refuse to read anything anyone ever tells you to read when it prove that not only are you wrong, but your completely biased toward your nations. You did this with the United States and Sweden, plus all of you god-modded alien nations which no one else could fight. You complained about the physics of a spaceship built by an advanced alien species, while denouncing anyone who called you out on you equally unrealistic planet-destroying warships. Your self-absorbed talking down to anyone else who isn't a mod. Tried to get AP removed as the mod of PMII accusing him of abusing his power, when he did not, while you've godmodded Sweden into a superpower. Sweden has a tiny, tiny, tiny population, while Ethiopia's is literally ten times bigger. I've got the same amount of tech as you, and a much larger military. Both facts. Based only on the population and GDP per capita alone, I would make more money than you, period, regardless of how much my people make. Anyone with half a brain would get that. You have no global empire. You control Scadinavia and the Baltic States. That ain't global. Germany has more nukes and more men, and the largest industrial base in Europe. You've got some mountains, snow, and a few ships at best.

I can read through each game the two of us have been in, and while I try to make sense of the matter, you rage, and rage, and rage, and rage. You ignore anyone who tries to tell you your wrong, and you complain about everything. I make the statement that a great general can come from any nation, and you take it as me saying Liberia can defeat France. Any retard could reason that would never happen, except you. I played PM for a few turns, and never interacted because it was too late to down anything. First lie. In AvA Revolutions, Turkey (a regional power OTL-wise), had nukes, technology, soldiers, money, and power, yet you refused to accept that fact despite 40 years of me making a strong nation stronger. You made the issue a problem. Not me. Second lie. When I started playing PMII, I was under the impression that someone else did the algorithims because I didn't know about the rules. I also never read about any NPC bonuses after I read the rules. And I never read of anything saying I had to stick with a certain nation even after it was f***in' annexed! Your the one who whined about those issues, not me. Third lie. When nobody else is complaining about it, your the one who makes it a problem. Turkey couldn't drop nukes where ever it wanted, but for some retarded reason, the United States could. Bias.

I don't enjoy fighting. I like to play games. I don't like having to deal with you and your one-sided "I'm automatically better than everybody" point of view. You make everything a problem when it wasn't. I'm done. Sweden was weak during WWII, and had to give Germany raw minerals in exchange for remaining neutral. That doesn't sound like a global power to me. You have, and always will be wrong. And more proof you can't read is the fact that many times I have admitted when I was wrong. But I'm sure that wouldn't do well for your argument, like your statement I was a problem in PM, a game I only played for two turns. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 20:42, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

ok, that was long and quite prettily worded, wish I coul;d do that for school essays, it would be great. But we dont need to fight so much, everyone just chill and eat a taco! (DeanSims: Talk) 20:45, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

I try Dean. I really do. But Scraw. I just can't anymore. I can't. And really Dean, your dividing a nation that didn't want to be divided. Your asking for civil war. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 20:49, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

All that vs. a few occasional sentences from me. Rage? At least I don't assault people, only their actions.

Calling a person a retard is vastly different than calling what someone does stupid or anything like that.

At least I dis people in a more civil manner.

Also, no one would be fighting if you weren't such an instigator, and do not tell me that the following passages of text did not instigate arguments:

<p style="margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em;">"''They do count Dean. As you can see that I gave them the same status as British dominions to resolve issues that plauged Ethiopia ATL and OTL over the issue of ethnicity. The Oromo, Amhara, and Tigray are at each others throats, and just as Ethiopia did in 1954 with Eritrea, I gave them nation-status within the wider Ethiopian empire so as to give them so time to cool down. They have militaries, governments, and status as nations, just like Eritrea in the federation with Ethiopia until Ethiopia annexed it starting the Eritrean War of Independence. This is the result of research when you actually do the research. So, I get Eritrea because my dominions do count. And Scraw, use sententences like the rest of us. As for you Dean, I have a navy large enough to move troops to other regions. Even though invading Italy is beyond my desires or motives, I can still fight you. And as this and the last algorithim have shown, Italy is a crap nation. It was in real life, and it still is in alternate history. Also, I'm adding Ethiopia's support for Germany right now. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 02:20, January 31, 2013 (UTC)''"

"Also, if you read the current breakdown of the Ethiopia nation in OTL, they replaced the provicial system with a self-governing system, which critics have claimed are too similar to the South African "bantustans", which if you look up, were self-governing nations South Africa planned on releasing, but never recieved international recognition, forcing them to reunite with South Africa. So let's get this clear right now. My "provinces" aren't provinces. Not in ATL or OTL. In this ATL, they are equal to the British dominions (like New Zealand, Austraila, and Canada before their release). Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 02:25, January 31, 2013 (UTC)"

These are just samples. No on enjoys long paragraphs of text, and fewer people have the time to go through them. Writing one long paragraph results in another long paragraphs, and the paragraphs go on and on and on until someone decides to cut the shite, get to the point, and shut up about it. I like hanging out with people who are chill. Not people like you who have little to no people skills and do not want to leave a fight every now and then. I hate fighting with you--or even anybody; Dean, Pita, AP, Fed, Crim, Enc, XX, anybody--but everyone except you knows when to pick their fights. This is not a fight anyone is interested in having, and certainly not one where everything ends all jolly and happy.

Dean strikes right once again - calm your damn mind down and come back when you feel good. Flame wars are no fun for anyone. But sometimes you have to fight them. This is not one of those times.

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Also I have a large history online and IRL of qwfrhdgndgevbfdhgjerbfw-ing against unfounded allegations, so I strongly suggest that we both step off the plate. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  21:06, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

I never recall calling you retarded. And you used the same wording in before, so you've got nothing to complain about. Now you've been extremely uncivil in the past, so don't try acting nice now when you were nothing of the sort in the past. I don't instigate. When I see something wrong, I say something. My "insults" prompted by something stupid said before them. I don't start fights when I don't have too. I'm not good with compressing my statements so quite. And your examples aren't me starting arguments. Those are my statements of actual facts that explain the actions I made in the game. So far all you've done is re-explain why Ethiopia can establish its own dominions, and why Italy cannot. Likewise, nobody has time to wade through your insults of their actions. And as I've made clear too many times to repeat, I don't like having to fight over non-sense. As for you last comment, same here. I hear your allegations, and I'll rise you one too. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 21:25, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Now, back to the point. How is it that Pita, our head mod, tells you that Ethiopia defeated Italy and took Eritrea, yet you refuse to acknowledge that leadership you fall under, and tell Dean that his conquest (done with a poorly made algorithim), is legit? If anything, Italy should have been destroyed already given the fact the Ethiopians and German outnumber it completely, and even with DITO, it would have lost. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 21:29, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Dude, it doesn't matter...it's not like you can take any land from Italy anyways...why even bother?

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Eritrea. I want Eritrea. I took it in the algorithim, so I want Eritrea. And I do have a navy capable of transporting troops to other parts of the world like any other major navy. Besides, I don't want anything from mainland Italy anyway. I didn;t even want to fight them. Dean just invaded because I woudn't kiss up to him. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 21:33, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

dont make me laugh, yoouve been crushed by your own invention, and now your almost fully occupied by DITO except for a little corner in Ethiopia. Youve lost, adn youve been nuked. (DeanSims: Talk) 21:37, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

No, I've been "crushed" by your inability to accept defeat. When I beat you in the last algorithim, your response was more along the lines of "I can't lose, so I'll make 20 republics to cheat my way to victory". I don't care anymore anyway. The game has slipped down the slippery slope of sillyness now. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 23:05, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Denmark
How did Denmark get nukes in two years? Can someone explain this to me? PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Finest | Ave Imperator!) 21:20, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

It's actually supposed to be four years, meaning 1949...

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Italy gave them nukes (DeanSims: Talk) 21:24, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Srawland told me that with Swedish help, I can have nukes in 1946 on my talk page. Regards, Laptop Zombie 09:57, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Imperial Decree
I, PitaKang, the God Emperor of AvA, declares that nation-splitting such as Ethiopia or Italy is now not allowed. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 00:07, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

I, the Scraw Almighty, the Norris Tsar of AvA, second this motion and ratify it into reality.

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Aye me lord. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 03:48, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

(You forgot the "s"!)

YOU SHALL PAY, MORTAL!

(Just kidding.)

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That have no effect on those splits. Because the rule only affects 1946.5 and beyond, after you declared. Regards, Laptop Zombie 13:25, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Say what? You're wrong. Ethiopia and Italy have been reconned. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  23:14, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Italy and Spain
They're going crazy on nuclear weapons. Spain sells some to South Africa. Italy state they give it to Denmark (which they never did, we've got that with Swedish help), Albania and Great Britain. This thing is simply not fair. Also, what happens when a nation have nuclear weapons and doesn't know how to use it? That doesn't help at all.

Regards, Laptop Zombie 13:40, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Well South Africa had nukes in real life, so we were going to get them one way or another to be honest. And I don't believe any nation would get nukes and not know how to use them. Much like them getting a tank they don't know how to drive. This are national governments. If they want to find out how to do something, then by Jingo, they will. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 15:05, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

South Africa will get them more or less around OTL. Italy does not currently have the resources to make all these nukes; they only have a few right now. <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  23:13, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Makes perfect sense to me. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:15, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

South Africa

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical: +2
 * Strength: South Africa (L +4), South West Africa (MV +2), Buntustan Republics (MV 2*20(+40)) = 46
 * Motive: +3
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +6
 * 15:39
 * 1*5*3*9=135
 * 135/1722=0.078397212543554
 * 0.078397212543554*pi=0.2461672473867596
 * 0.2461672473867596
 * Total: 66

Portuguese South Africa

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical: +1
 * Strength: Portugal (L +4), Mozambique (MV +2), Angola (MV +2)
 * Motive: +5
 * Morale: -2
 * Economy:+1
 * Chance: +4
 * Total: 22

Result
South Africa conquers Angola and Mozambique. Portuguese holdings in Africa slashed dramatically.

Add in all 11 Italian nations.

Don't need to go that far. The fighting is over. I got what I wanted, I don't see the need for the overkill. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 21:57, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

New Canadian Flag
Ok so i cant decide wether or not i should stick with my current flag or adopt a new one.

Current Ideas:





Your Input is appreciated. OreoToast555 23:45, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

I like the new one.The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:56, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Which One?

I like the new one. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 19:15, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

I like the new one too, though it screams "Scandanavian Republic of Canada". XD No seriously, I like the new flag, you should go with it. Stewdio333 (talk) 05:15, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

New one. It'll make relations with Denmark and Sweden more intimate. At least I feel better cooperating with another Scandinavian nations, also it helps you improve relations with Sweden. Regards, Laptop Zombie 13:32, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Flag has been adopted!

Nuke Issue
Okay, I have to say something about this now. The US and USSR have to step in at some point. Everybody and their mother is reaching for a nuke, and the smallest and most unlikely nations are getting them within years of each other. Its getting out of control, and I feel that the mods have to do something about it. Please. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 04:53, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Nuclear proliferation has gone mad!The River Nile-2 (talk) 18:41, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

It's the Cold War era games that get everyone nuclear weapon crazy. We seriously need to stop some of these people. Italy is a stretch at best. Saudi Arabia? You've got to be kidding me.AP (talk) 06:51, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

We will not have a US-USSR Cold War. Probably Sweden-America-Germany...

Other than that, no one can get nukes unless they had them OTL, with reasonable exceptions.

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 * Sweden, Scraw? Really? Flag of the Hurian Federation.png Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 17:34, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * As I said in other games, an unlikely nation can arise a superpower if you play your nation right, which is what Scraw did. Enclavehunter (talk) 19:02, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Not to mention that I actually fought in World War II, originally as a backup, then using this backup to conquer Norway and the Baltics and then developed the first nukes and trashed Central Germany.
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Denmark, Australia & Canada cooperating. Denmark already had it, so Canada & Australia should receive as well. Regards, Laptop Zombie 10:08, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Australia will help alies build them if the world goes nuke crazy, but will not have or use any of it's own, beyond 3 1kt bombs bought in from outside for a post-nuking last stand. For our test ATL sites see OTL Woomera_Test_Range and British_nuclear_tests_at_Maralinga.The River Nile-2 (talk) 18:32, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

I (Saudi Arabia) do not search to developp a super weapon of any sort, just the civilian tech.Rdv65 (talk) 18:59, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Look, what everyone forgets is that in real life, Sweden and South Africa almost had nuclear weapons, so it's not that far of a stretch for Sweden to be a nuclear power in this game. Hell, today, Israel and North Korea have nuclear weapons, despite their small sizes (and in the case of North Korea, a crappy economy.) It's only a problem, if we suddenly see Luxembourg and Iceland develop nuclear weapons, smaller countries can build nukes if they want, but it might take a while. Stewdio333 (talk) 21:54, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

In real life, South Africa really got nuclear weapons, and then disarmed them. Regards, Laptop Zombie 02:01, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Yup. They made six of them, but disarmed them the same year apartheid ended. Kind of a race thing when you read about it. :/ Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 02:22, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Three minor 1kt nukes are developed as a Aussie post-nuclear war last stand weapon, but they will take a year to build.The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:54, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

South Africa

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical: -2
 * Strength: South Africa (L +4), South West Africa (MV +2), Buntustan Republics (MV 2*20(+40)), Angola (MV +2), Mozambique (MV +2) = 50
 * Motive: +3
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +6
 * 23:47
 * 2*3*4*7=168
 * 168/1754=0.0957810718358039
 * 0.0957810718358039*pi=0.3007525655644242
 * 0.3007525655644242
 * Total: 66

Madagascar

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical: +3
 * Strength: Madagascar (L +4)
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: -2
 * Economy: -1
 * Chance: +6
 * Total: 25

Result
South Africa conquers and annexes Madagascar. Fatality.

South Africa

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical: -2
 * Strength: South Africa (L +4), South West Africa (MV +2), Buntustan Republics (MV 2*20(+40)), Angola (MV +2), Mozambique (MV +2), Madagascar (MV +2) = 52
 * Motive: +3
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +1
 * 16:24
 * 1*6*2*4=48
 * 48/1758=0.0295566502463054
 * 0.0295566502463054*pi=0.092807881773399
 * 0.092807881773399
 * Total: 63

Botswana

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical: +3
 * Strength: Botswana (L +4), Britain (M, BC +7) = +11
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +3
 * Chance: +8
 * Total: 40

Result
Tactical South African victory. Most of Botswana captured, pockets of resistance remaining.

South Africa

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical: +1
 * Strength: South Africa (L +4), South West Africa (MV +2), Buntustan Republics (MV 2*20(+40)), Angola (MV +2), Mozambique (MV +2), Madagascar (MV +2), Rhodesia (MV +2), Botswana (MV +2) = +56
 * Motive: +3
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +4
 * 22:06
 * 2*2*0*6=24
 * 24/1767=0.0135823429541596
 * 0.0135823429541596*pi=0.0426485568760611
 * 0.0426485568760611
 * Total: 77

British East Africa

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical: +3
 * Strength: British East Africa (L +4), Britain (M, BC +7) = +11
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +5
 * Total: 39

Result
Crushing South African victory. British East Africa conquered.

Disscussion
ok dude stop, this highly implausible for South Africa of all nations to invade through colonies of European nations with no penalties in the next algorithm, these offesnives need to be stopped as by now the South Africans would have been defeated by European forces. (DeanSims: Talk) 20:18, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

And it's also highly implausible for Italy to splinter into 11 different nations without causing a civil war. And it's time for decolonization anyways. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 21:13, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

it was a federation, not a new nation, adn you let my enemies do it, but not me, your biased Pita. And i dont have to decolonize as I have no colonies. (DeanSims: Talk) 21:18, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

I actually did let you do it; I could have retconned your invasion and your federation-thingy, but I didn't. And now no one can do it. Besides, Viva had some valid points. Ethiopia and South Africa did something similar to that some times in history. Italy, on the other hand, had always been divided into mini-nations and an action like that would have led to civil war. And you do have colonies... PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 22:25, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Also maybe you don't have to decolonize but Britain, France, etc sure as hell have to. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 22:26, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

South Africa

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical: +1
 * Strength: South Africa (L +4), South West Africa (MV +2), Angola (MV +2), Mozambique (MV +2), Madagascar (MV +2), Rhodesia (MV +2), Botswana (MV +2) = +16
 * Motive: +3
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +4
 * 22:06
 * 2*2*0*6=24
 * 24/1767=0.0135823429541596
 * 0.0135823429541596*pi=0.0426485568760611
 * 0.0426485568760611
 * Total: 33

British East Africa

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical: +3
 * Strength: British East Africa (L +4), Britain (M, BC +7) = +11
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +5
 * Total: 39

Result
British victory.

Disscussion
OK, you're doing this too fast. Also, I find it largely unbelievable that you could plausibly sweep nations in succession. It was OK before, but it's going too far.

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Stop creating a bunch of tiny vassals just to get points on an algorithm. Portugal was a pushover and would not waste their time with you. Britain is by far more powerful than you and would sure as hell defeat you. You're only creating a recipe for disaster, Zaire-style and Turkey-style meaning revolutions that will rip you apart.AP (talk) 04:34, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Also, I thought you overthrew the apartheid government. Why the bantustans?

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Read the fine print. Your lord and master (Pita) recognizes the bantustans, which according to the Book of God (real life) were created in the late 1940s as semi-independent nations (fact). So I can have my vassals, unless you'd like to lodge a complaint with reality? And here's a fun fact AP, South Africa was and still is more powerful that Portugal (as I doubt any "powerful" nation would lose three successive wars against a band of African rebels). Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 08:02, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

And by the way, my Zairian nation didn't suffer from any plausible rebellions (since all the territories I held were related to Zaire in some direct manner). You and Scraw simply made them up, and the bias eventually killed the game as the other players got sick of it. And you can't deny it. Too many players complained about it for it to be a lie.

And if what you say is true, then there should be no reason for the CoLA to be as big as it is, or for Sweden to be as powerful as well (since Ethiopia played the same cards, yet only the mod nation somehow became a superpower). Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 08:06, February 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm going to explain nice and slowly for you why I can have the bantustans without your heads exploding. Okay?

The bantustans were originally created in the late 1940s as a way of segregating the white and black African populations, while maintaining control of the country for the Afrikners. There were a total of twenty; ten in South Africa and ten in Namibia. These were fully independent nations which had fully armed militaries such as the Transkei Defence Force and the Bophuthatswana Defence Force, both of which had several thousands of soldiers.

They were economically tied to South Africa, evidenced by the need to use their currency, but allowed to deal with foreign governments without South Africa's permissions, since they were independent nations. When South Africa's government was reorganized, the bantustans were brought back into the nation, some peacefully, others less so. Thus, since these were independent nations still reliant upon South Africa for protection and aid, and were established in OTL, me having them is both plausible and given this being Althistory, inevitable. So you can take this matter up with Pita, who recognizes their existance, or you can get over it.

Oh, and here's the funniest part. If you look as the "See Also" section of, right under "Diplomatic recognition", you'll see "Puppet state" and "Satellite state". Hilarious. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 08:21, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

The use of 20 tiny vassals just to get points on an algorithm(the only way you would win) is straight up annoying. Think about it, if you actually went to war with Britain would the support of those republics make a difference? They would be token support in a war in which you would be destroyed. I say for the algorithm at least for you to get one MV point for all of them because getting 40 automatic points is A) Unfair to everyone else and B) for what I have said before, they wouldnt make a difference.AP (talk) 04:02, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Well, why do every nation have an automatic +2 on strength. Basically, that is the thing that should be changed. Those tiny nations have little or no military strength at all. Actually, we shouldn't use an automatic minimum strength of 2, but rather, decide a total for all the tiny vassals. For all the 20 vassals, it's only about 4 to 6 points. They have little or no military, not to count they're all unexperienced. Anyway, stated here, only 8 of the 20 vassals actually gained independence/self-rule. Regards, Laptop Zombie 13:10, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Like I said before, if you want to complain about it, take it to Pita. I can still have eight of my vassals since they already existed in real life. So there really isn't much you can do about OTL facts. And the vassal system itself is unfair, especially when mods use it (remember Turkey?). You abuse the system when you want something (CoLA, NATO, Go-GOLD), but when I or anyone else do (DITO, MEC, AEC), there's a problem and somehow the people hate us, rebellions spread across the alliance, and the whole thing breaks down. I still get 16 points regardless. And let's be honest, isn't the point to taking vassals to get more points so you don't lose? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 18:40, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

we should count troops and technology levels to aboid this problem, then uise some sort of generator to decide how many casulties and who wins. (Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It) 18:46, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

I don't care. It's not for me. Anyway, I've only got 1 vassal, Iceland, which I clearly stated was training up troops and receiving nukes from Denmark. About alliances like DITO or NATO, well, it does not really controls the members and all militarial actions are conducted by the members themselves. What do I want when I'm abusing (I seriously don't understand what you mean by this) the system? I have never took part in any war for now. (except for the revolution that overthrew German occupatioon)

Dutch Revolutionary War
Would be pleased if someone could do this.

Discussion
(Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It) 22:39, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Sigh. Germany has already WITHDRAWN from that region, dammit. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 23:44, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Changes, Complaints 06/02/2013 Pre-Cleanup
I (Denmark) don't have a color. Regards, Laptop Zombie 05:56, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

I corrected three OTL/ATL colonial errors- 1/ Hong Kong is British, 2/ Malta is British and 3/ Namibia was South African. Luckily it did not ruin the game.The River Nile-2 (talk) 20:16, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

I don't have a color. I am Denmark. Regards, Laptop Zombie 10:59, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

I repeat that I don't have a color. Also DK now has control over Greenland and the Faroes, and Iceland is a Danish client state. Regards, Laptop Zombie 02:14, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Dear lord, look closer! You DO have a color!

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Calm down, that's a while ago. This is copied from the Changes and Complaints section on the main page so that section could be cleaned. Regards, Laptop Zombie 01:10, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

South Africa

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical: +2
 * Strength: South Africa (L +4), South West Africa (MV +2), Botswana (MV +2), Rhodesia (MV +2), Madagascar (MV +2), Angola (MV +2), Mozambique (MV +2) = 14
 * Motive: +3
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +4
 * 17:42
 * 1*7*4*2=56
 * 56/1788=0.0313199105145414
 * 0.0313199105145414*pi=0.09834451901566
 * 0.09834451901566
 * Total: 32

Belgian Congo

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical: +1
 * Strength: Belgian Congo (L +4)
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: -2
 * Economy: +1
 * Chance: +1
 * Total: 20

Result
South Africa wins. Half of Belgian Congo taken.

Disscussion
We need to get this straight. We all accept the the existance on the Bantustan nations, even though they're not internationally recognized. HOWEVER, using them in the algorithm is jut plain stupid, and it's tweaking and boosting to the nth degree. In reality, they would hardly help in a war.

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The bantustans were still nations that could still help. Its my choice whether or not I choose to use nations that were already considered vassals of South Africa in OTL. If Luxembourg can sends troops to other nations to help in their fights, then so can the bantustands which had larger militaries. If Sweden can control the USSR (which is implausible), then South Africa can have its bantustans. And South Africa has more points without the bantustans, so I win. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 04:57, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Fixed. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 15:50, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

South Africa

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical: +2
 * Strength: South Africa (L +4), South West Africa (MV +2), Botswana (MV +2), Rhodesia (MV +2), Madagascar (MV +2), Angola (MV +2), Mozambique (MV +2), =16
 * Motive: +3
 * Morale: 0
 * Economy: +3
 * Chance: +1
 * 21:51
 * 2*1*5*1=10
 * 10/1803=0.0055463117027177
 * 0.0055463117027177*pi=0.0174154187465336
 * 0.0174154187465336
 * Total: 29

Rhodesia and Nyasaland

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical: +1
 * Strength: Rhodesia(L)+Nyasaland(L) +Britain(M+BC)
 * Motive: +5 (colonial possessions)
 * Morale: -2
 * Economy: +3
 * Chance: +7
 * Total: 34

Result
British victory.

Discussion
When will you learn? Seriously. Every game is conquer-kill-genocide-radical government-destruction-repeat. Even if you succeed, no one will want to live under you. With Zaire it was fine until you started conquering nations not culturally related or linguistically related to you. Now it's become too much. Your economy is fair at best because of war exhaustion and the draining effects on an economy. Stop making up vassals, you've made no mention of Katanga so don't include it in the algorithm. You seem to not understand the concept that a nation can succeed without conquest. Look at the CoLA. It's surpassed Canada as the second largest economy in the Americas and has acquired its present size through peaceful means NOT conquest. If i pursued your strategy, the CoLA wouldnt last 20 years because it would get ripped to shreds by nationalists refusing to live under a conqueror. You don't need to go and conquer the continent to be successful. Latin America did it, South Africa can too but with peace not war.AP (talk) 04:49, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

When will you learn to read? From what I can clearly remember, ALL of the territories were related to Zaire in all forms. I and TWO others users told you, and you never listened. One user went so far as to add links to pages that proved they were related to Zaire. And aren't you the same fool that told me the South Africa was the economic superpower of Africa IN THE SAME GAME? Stop lying and learn to live with the consequences of your actions. All you've done by way of you godmodding is dig a deep ditch for when we start another game. When I got additional nations peacefully, you had a problem with it. When the CoLA did it, there was nothing wrong with it. Stop coming up with excuses. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 05:03, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

Still, why do you always have same agenda in every game? Everytime I see you sign up in Africa I know that you are going to go on a rampage of successive conquest. (Save PMII, you got screwed there.)

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 * I'm tired of explaining every time why. Maybe if you read anything I or anyone else said, you'd know. But since you won't, I'm not even going to answer this question again. Flag of the Hurian Federation.png Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 03:25, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

and all of those little republics shouldnt count, you wont get more out of the same popualtion and resources by dividing it into autonomous areas, there part of your empire, if we ont recognize them, they dont exist. I suppose a new ammenadmant, nations cannot join the algorithm unless the nations existance is aproved by the moderators.

DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

Tiny nations have militaries Dean. KwaZulu has millions of people, as does Katanga, and both can suppose tens of thousands of soldiers. The bantustan nations had more people and resources than any of the Baltic states, yet I wouldn't be surprised if Scraw decided to drag them into his conflicts. If you did some research on any small nations, you'll find that they are easily capable of providing economical or logistical support. Besides, you were quick to divid you nation up into tiny nations that would nation try to help in a war. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 03:25, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

i doubt it makes more resources and manpower magicaly apear if there autonomous areas rather than them staying just united, it makes no difference, they should not even count, and IM NOT EVEN FIGHTING YOU.

DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

The main reason according to OTL is that the people will be more willing to support a puppet government (such as those in Nazi Germany), than the conquering nation. They'd sign up to join the military forces of their own government, and view their obligation to fight for their protector as more of a favor due to a close ally (such as the British dominions). Thus, production goes up and military manpower increases. The conquering nation doesn't have to worry about the logistics of supplying a large force since the smaller nation can handle that. So the smaller forces serve as auxilary armies which bolster the overall army of the larger nation. That's all. And I'm sorry for snapping at you. AP and Scraw just get on my nerves. Their just so ignorant. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 14:26, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Stop cheating on algorithms, it's incredibly annoying. You never mentioned Katanga once so don't tell me otherwise. Lesotho and Swaziland joined you too late to count. South Africa was a leading economy in Africa, yes, but that doesnt mean you can go around and conquer colonies of powerful nations like Great Britain. Change your same old conquer-everything-that-borders-you agenda and go for something different ''for once. ''AP (talk) 04:43, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

And you still can't read. I told you five seperate times my tactics, but you keep ignoring me. Besides, since you never read have the stuff I write, or play on have the games I play. And if you knew anything about history in Africa, you'd know that the Europeans could never keep the colonies under control let alone fight, by your own words, the most powerful nation in Africa. If you can create the CoLA in AvA game we've playedn I will continue with my tactics for as long as I feel like. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 14:26, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

The problem is, the CoLA is not surrounded by foreign powers or under pressure. Except the Guianas, but those are nothing.

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I only have Britian and France to the north. But I can wait to achieve my aims. I will finish my expansion in Zaire, and I won't expand for awhile. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 19:20, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Penalty
We need a penalty for several consecutive wars. Now that World War II over, we cannot logically afford to have troops moving from front to front from country to country without some sort of subtraction. You have to remember something about fighting gallions of consecutive wars: AIN'T NOBODY GOT TIME FO DAT.

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Every turn in the war is deducted 5 points, if you just ended a war last turn you carry the deduction from that war to the new war. If you skip 1 turn the deduction is reduced by 5 points, you skip 2 turns the deduction is reduced by 10 points etc. If you skip more than 4 turns (5 or more) then you don't carry deductions. Is that fine? Regards, Laptop Zombie 04:30, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

Example:

Abesia vs. Belludia

Abesia was deducted 30 points for war weariness when war ended at turn 2935.5

If Abesia attack Chloria at turn 2936 then Abesia will have 35 points deduction for that turn(carry 30 + 5 for new turn = 35 total).

If Abesia attack Chloria at turn 2936.5 then Abesia will have 30 points deduction (carry 30 + 5 for new turn - 5 * 1 skipped turn = 35 total).

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">If Abesia attack Chloria at turn 2937 then Abesia will have 25 points deduction (carry 30 + 5 for new turn - 5 * 2 skipped turn = 35 total).

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">If Abesia attack Chloria at turn 2937.5 then Abesia will have 20 points deduction (carry 30 + 5 for new turn - 5 * 3 skipped turn = 35 total).

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">If Abesia attack Chloria at turn 2938 then Abesia will have 15 points deduction (carry 30 + 5 for new turn - 5 * 4 skipped turn = 35 total). <p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">If Abesia attack Chloria at turn 2938.5 then Abesia will have 5 points deduction (5 turns skip, no carry, 5 for new turn). If after this deduction becomes negative it will goes zero.Regards, Laptop Zombie 04:37, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

DITO

 * Location: +5 (Libya borders Tunisia)
 * Tactical Advantage: +1 (Attackers Advantage)
 * Strength: Italy (L+4) Bosnia (+2) Croatia (+2) Serbia (+2) Macedonia (+2) Slovenia (+2) Macedonia (+2) Libya (+2) Eritrea (+2) Somalia (+2) Ethiopia (+2) South Thailand (+3) Australia (+3) New Caldenia (+3) Timor (+2) = +35
 * Motive: +5 (Politcal)
 * Economy: +5 (Great Economy due to free trade with all eachother, keeping prices low and boosting revune)
 * Chance: +1
 * Total: +52

Tunisia

 * Location +5


 * Tactical Advanatge +2


 * Strength +4 (Tunisia + L=4)


 * Motive +10


 * Economy +3


 * Chance: +2


 * Total: 26

Outcome
Tunisa falls to DITO forces and becomes a Republic

Discussion

 * Aussie R:South Thailand, Australia and  New Caledonia provided troops. Australia and Timor provide supplies.

Humor for Australia
Men At Work - Land Down Under Remix

Made my day XD OreoToast555 03:28, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Antarctic Treaty
Proposed by: Canada

A treaty between nations regarding claiming of land, usage of land, wildlife research and geological research in antarctica.

Land Claims
Canada - OTL Ross Dependency

<p class="MsoNormal">Australia- No claim to the Continental land mass, but to some Islands. A few islands of the OTL Australian held [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac._Robertson_Land Mac. Robertson Land ]. Azimuth Islands, Flat Islands, Béchervaise Island , West Budd Island , Giganteus Island , Jocelyn Islands , Nelson Rock , Rookery Islands , Rouse Islands , Welch Island, Williams Rocks, Lee Island, Verner Island, Petersen Island, Stinear Island, Béchervaise Island, Parallactic Islands Kellas Islands in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holme_Bay Holme Bay. ]5 other islands are claimed else were- Roosevelt Island, Abbott Island, Masson Island, Paulet Island and Coulman Island.

U.S.A. - OTL Australian Antarctic Territory

Spain - All leftover space not claimed by any other country.

Sweden: Norwegian and Argentinian areas.

CoLA - OTL New Zealand and Chilean claims.

Italy: Antartic Penninsula and surrounding islands that Australia doesnt claim as well as some land on both east and west of the penninsula and south to the pole.

Britain: OTL British claims.

Japan: otl Japanese claims

New Zealand: OTL French Claim, Marie Byrd Land (more specifically, everything between the OTL Chilean and NZ claims).

Land Usage
The continent of Antartica is to be divided into controlled territories of nations, not to be directly annexed by the nation. This treaty will allow for military personell training, limited nuclear testing, and Geological research. Any research conducted on wildlife on the continent is to be controlled by the Antarctic Treaty Wildlife Commision, which will supervise any and all wildlife activities. Phrohibits penal deportation, large scale nuclear testing and large scale wildlife testing. Non-nuclear explosives that do not posess the ability to create deadly radioactive fallout are permitted.

Signatories
Canada - User:OreoToast555 21:13, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Australia - The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:33, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

United States of America - Enclavehunter (talk) 00:10, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Spain -

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CoLA - AP (talk) 00:15, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Italy: DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

Japan: Wavy? What now, its so bouncy (talk) 20:31, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

New Zealand: 50.59.107.98 17:24, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Cuba and Albania commented they wanted to join on the main game page in a post circa 1952.5. Albania also claimed Pieter Island.The River Nile-2 (talk) 01:07, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Discussion
Excuse me, but Canada was not invited to this...

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AvAReb_Antarctic_Treaty.png

 * I do belive that this is a different conference? (i have no idea) OreoToast555 01:31, February 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * NZ, Italy, Cuba and Canada are invited in to the Antarctic Treaty by an Australian request.The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:01, February 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Since I do not have an account yet, I cannot modify this. However, I am claiming the gray area in Antarctica south of south America and potentially the other gray area in Antarctica (I am willing to revise these claims if they conflict with anyone else's; I know that Spain has an outstanding but unspecified claim). 50.59.107.98 17:53, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Poland
Wait- why does the USSR have half of Poland when they never invaded? PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 00:23, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Political betrayal at the end of WW2?The River Nile-2 (talk) 21:07, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Germany (Belligerent)

 * Location: +3
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: Germany (L, BC+8), Romania (MV+2), Hungary (MV+2), Bulgaria (MV+2), Czechoslovakia (MV+2), Poland (MV+2), Spain (MV+2)= +20
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +5
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +3
 * 19:26
 * 1*9*2*6= 108
 * 108/8052= 0.01341281669
 * 0.01341281669*pi= 0.04213760638
 * 0.04213760638
 * Total: 58

Greece (Defendant)

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Greece (L+4)= +4 (Australia)
 * Motive: +10
 * Special Status: +0
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +3
 * Chance: +0
 * Total: 24

Result
German troops roll into Greece and set up a puppet government.

OK, you no longer have special status, its void becasue you no longer have hitler and the revolution was more than 7 years ago. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

We had another revolution overthrow Hitlre. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 18:20, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

that still wasnt a revolution, he just got killed, you got rid of an autocratic dictator, and i dont think Special Status should exist, Italy was an autocratic dictatorship but we sucked in OTL, it realy pertains to how well he works. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 18:50, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Discussion
Remember, this was for retaliation to the Italian invasion of Tunisia. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 00:32, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Australia is an allie of Greece and sent them several hundred rifels and about 10-15 tanks a whlie back over several turns circa 1945-47. The River Nile-2 (talk) 20:58, February 13, 2013 (UTC) Correction, it was 4,000 rifles and 1 tankette.The River Nile-2 (talk) 00:22, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Dont forget the Japs and the rest of DITO

and Italy and its allies

Why? Why would DITO interfere? PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 22:26, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Australia only acted indipendently out of a long standing bi-latteral agreement (it also has one with Albania). The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:44, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

PowerPoint
I've had a lot of free time recently and have been kinda bored so I made a PPT presentation of this entire game from 1933.5 to 1938.5. Just a little side project. What do you guys think? Thanks! Also if anyone wants to help they're welcome to. If no one wants to that's fine too. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 00:34, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

nice, but it would be better if it goes from 1938.5 to 1953 :), just a tip of advice Chao101 (talk) 00:53, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

http://www.slideshare.net/PitaKang/av-a

There's more to come. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 00:57, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

If I got any free time, I hope you don't mind, I could help out. Stewdio333 (talk) 07:11, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Nation Dividing
This needs to stop, now. It's a sorry excuse for getting points on an algorithm and it is frankly annoying. I can think of several times this has happened: South African Bantustans(which were retconned but still unfairly won them two wars), Italy's "protectorates," Germany, etc the list goes on forever. What really caught my eye today is that Italy divided Libya into two parts because one of them wanted independence! What's ironic is that he made it a protectorate which is a glorified colony, nationalists would never accept that. That's really pushing it. Not to mention that Dean has begun to show a pattern of this nation division to get points on algorithms wiki-wide. The time for decolonization has begun and several nations need to start.AP (talk) 03:37, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

I agree, it's got very imperialistic, Australia will pull out of Australian Indochina in 1960. PNG is being integrated. I plan to wind down my empire.90.244.94.154 08:54, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

What about those who didn't use their colonies in warfare? Granted, I'll follow order if I must, but I just want to know about the people who didn't use their colonies.

Germany didn't split into say, Bavaria, etc, but I'm using my conquered countries. Big difference. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 12:15, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

And I stopped using the bantustans (eight of which were true nations), and started using actual conquered nations, but you complained that I couldn't do that either. Make up your mind. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 19:59, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

The Bantustans were "real nations".The River Nile-2 (talk) 20:19, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

I have an idea- Batustans, outfits like the IRA and Vichy France like client states= yes, Bravaria and other styles= no?The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:38, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

No. Vassals, client states, puppets, allies, only. All others = no.

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Unabashed imperialism
My big concern is that it's got very imperialistic and is a global version of the OTL scramble for Africa! I don't mined the nation splitting and puppet nations, it's the HUGE  empires that worry me. Australia will pull out of Australian Indochina in 1960 and PNG is being integrated. The time of imperialism has past. Trade blocs, insurgency/proxy wars in the 3rd world, space tech, sport and inventions should be our new agenda. Skylab would be an awsum achevment for who ever put it up in the 1970's.The River Nile-2 (talk) 20:30, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

African Union (Belligerent)

 * Location: +4
 * Tactical Advantage: +1
 * Strength: African Union (L+4) = +4
 * Greater Industry: +3
 * Greater Population: +3
 * Motive: +5
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +5
 * Chance: +9
 * 13:55
 * 1*3*5*5= 75
 * 75/1827= 0.041050903119868636
 * 0.041050903119868636*pi= 0.12889983579638753
 * 0.12889983579638753
 * Total: 34

Northern Rhodesia (Defendant)

 * Location: +5
 * Tactical Advantage: +2
 * Strength: Northern Rhodesia (L+4), Britain (M+BC) = +11
 * Motive: +10
 * Morale: +0
 * Economy: +1
 * Chance: +3
 * Total: 32

Result
African victory.

Disscussion
You're the African Union now, a single country. Therefore your vassals are gone. You wouldn't count all 50 states in an algorithm for the US. Also, we've told you before that you can't have an "excellent" economy(which you claaim to have in every game) war after war after war. AP (talk) 23:35, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

The African Union is a confederacy. I'm playing the alliance of nations, like the EU which acts as a nation, but its members are independent of each other. And I don't know what you were smoking, but Northern Rhodesia was and still is poor, broke, and starving. And I do have an excellent economy, because like you said, I'm South Africa. And of course I say I have a great economy, because. I always work on fixing the poorer ones. You just never read the turns I focus on fixing them. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 02:36, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

DITO is secretly sending aid, so add the aid of 11 nations to Africa.

WW3
Is it me or does any one else feel that World War III is imminent. Enclavehunter (talk) 04:48, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Is this because America and Spain look like they're about to go at it. (No offense though, I'm actually pretty nice in real life, despite playing Spain in this game.) Stewdio333 (talk) 05:21, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

No, not really. I was more referring in general to the tensions between nations.

We have Spain and the US at each others throats. We have DITO probally pitted against Germany, the African Union against Britain, and then rebel situations that I expect will arise.

I believe this is the most intense (well, the most intense an map game can get) in the Axis vs Allies series.

Enclavehunter (talk) 05:25, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Oh well, this is pretty cool though, even though war between our two nations is inevitable right? And yes, honestly, I don't know if Spain would actually survive in this war. Stewdio333 (talk) 05:29, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Spanish citizens know that war with the United States would destroy their country, much like the Spanish-American War of 1898. Therefore I believe it is time for a democratic coup in Spain.AP (talk) 07:52, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Well given that Spain has been censoring the media, and this isn't a time where you can just look at the internet to see what's really going on, the Spanish government can make the people believe anything. So no coup would be possible. Even if possible, the Spanish military is still too powerful for any organized rebel movement, even if it can't fight the United States. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 15:07, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

A coup in a modern country (as of 1950) is impossible. Seriously. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 18:21, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

How it might play out:
Quite Frankly, the amount of tension that exists will for sure start the third world war. "Make no mistake, war is coming"
 * DITO invasion of German Puppets
 * German Retaliation
 * Canadian/Danish/Swedish Invasion of greater Germany
 * USA or Spain declaring war on eachother
 * Australian Conquering of Indonesia(?)
 * African Union declaring war on Britain
 * Possible use of nukes
 * Mostly devastated world after WW3.

OreoToast555 (talk) 17:53, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

I reckon it will occer in about 1958-59 and Spain and the USA will have started it.The River Nile-2 (talk) 21:11, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not playing in this.

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I don't want to play in it either, but we have an agressive Spain, Germany, and DITO, and I'm the only one (besides Sweden funding DITO's enemies) are standing up to them. The only nations I can count on to help me is the CoLA., but I'm not sure they'll help either. Enclavehunter (talk) 21:58, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Sweden
Wait, how did Sweden and Italy get satellites up? Neither side has the resources nor scientists to do that… Germany has the resources and most of the rocket scientitss. PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 18:22, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Australia will only manage get it's satelitite up in circa 1960-61.The River Nile-2 (talk) 20:57, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

So? We are a superpower.

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Yeah, a superpower with less than 20 million population and no major scientists... PitaKang- (We are the Emperor's Chosen | Ave Imperator!) 21:53, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

I was only commenting on Australia and not nocking Sweden's, Italy's or Gremany's space plans.The River Nile-2 (talk) 22:28, February 15, 2013 (UTC)