User talk:SouthWriter



Where's my flag?
Thank you for expediting my gradation.--SouthWriter 22:15, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

My flag is not showing up in the data base. I just tagged it to go there by putting the "flags" category on it. How do I get it over into the data file? --SouthWriter 22:15, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

Also, do I have to run related articles (support articles, such as news clips, diary and journal entries, and articles on the people mentioned) through the "Proposal" process? --SouthWriter 22:15, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

i would recommend it. HAD 16:33, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you want to speed it up, just ask for your article to be graduated on the main talk page. Mitro 00:23, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Try this man
I made like this awesome forum: Forum:Lovian Communist Party. I hope some people will see it and go and watch the site, Lovia, and join the LCP (communist party) to expand its power and influence. Lovia (wikination) is a fictional wikination which is very active with many users. Go see that forum! Thanks in advance, Dr. Magnus 18:58, January 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * I assure you its a cool site. Go check out the forum, click the link, visit wikination and join the LCP by adding your name in the list of members. Take care and have fun! Dr. Magnus 18:59, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

New Montgomery and bias
how about creating a bio on the white racist in charge of New Montgomery? Also, you can mention things like genocide and atrocities on bio's, just be objective about it. HAD 20:12, January 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, I am not at all comfortable with the assumption that these racist gangs could rise up and be as effective as the creators of this timeline think it they would. I created the one Black Muslim in response to the already "established" black supremacist city-state in the city of Anderson. In creating a character, I was at liberty to make him as evil as I wanted. However, in creating a bio, I sought to present him in a way as if he were still alive and in control of the information coming out of Anderson. When I switched to the imagined divergent life of a real person, though, I moderated the character to reflect what he is in our own world (where he can't get away with atrocities even if he wanted to).


 * If I create a white supremacist, it will be for the city-state of Toccoa, CSA, a nearby state to my own. I have some knowledge of the area (having graduated from the University of Georgia). But if I had my preferences, I would have desstoyed the separatist and racist regimes long ago, for living in a free state next to them is not a pleasant place to be.SouthWriter 19:52, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Fallout Maps
Hey, South - out of curiousity, where have you gotten the fallout rates for the bombs? Are they just generalized, or are they based on specific facts? Louisiannan 18:53, February 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * The final "product" assumes the same size bombs, and a generalized radius of about 35 miles. The direction and dispersal on the final maps (the Google maps with the "targets" is based on the Bikini Atoll dispersal (I found it on wikipedia, I think). The result comes close to the original fallout maps on this wiki. I have a lot of time on my hand but not that much!SouthWriter 19:39, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Recent edits on Piedmont page
You may want to check out the recent edits on the Piedmont page by an anonymous user. BrianD 01:31, February 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * I made those changes. For some reason I had been knocked offline and did not realize it. I think it was because I left it unattended in edit mode for too long, I decided to change the government back to the way it has always been. In the four counties now in the republic, there are 25 districts that sent Representatives to Columbia, and 12 that sent Senators. Those 37 legislatures, working in the way they always have, is a lot better than changing horses in mid-stream. I had tried to be "too creative."

The other edit, that I finished after realizing I needed to log in. Was something I came up with over the weekend. At first I was just going to have a simple "mining expedition to drain trapped fuel out of the pipes. I then followed a logical train of thought to a frightening conclusion. I may have just killed off a representative and senator in 1988 (right before the primaries, too!) -- a thought worth looking into. I haven't mapped the destruction completely, and that district is a bit jerrymandered if I remember correctly. By the way, it was unmentioned, but assumed "voting irregularities" in that district that put Democratic senator Elizabeth Patterson into the Governor's mansion in 1992. I just love it when the story "writes itself."SouthWriter 03:53, February 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * So do I. BrianD 04:28, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * By the way, any hints on how to find Bob Jones, IV, these days? I haven't seen anything about him later than a mention on him in 2008 as a "writer," who did not become president of the university that bears his name (or the other way around!). He used to write for World Magazine, but he's disappeared from sight (not good for a writer in this information age). I probably still have a few strings I could pull at the university (my daughter is still a respected alumnus at least), but I don't know how far that would get me.SouthWriter 05:07, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * For this, I generally start with Google, then look at more serious sources (newspapers, magazines, encyclopedias, etc.) on line. This guy doesn't even have a Wikipedia article. Perhaps he wants to be totally out of the public eye? BrianD 05:56, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I could go back through his work with World and build a decent alternate history, but I can't even give him an exact birthday! He was/is a good writer, and even worked as a regional editor for World. But then, he disappeared. I think you are probably right, he got unwanted flack for just being named "Bob Jones" and being a conservative commentator. I wouldn't be surprised if he is not writing under an assumed name somewhere. I think I'll try just "R.R. Jones" and then go with whatever I have so far. I've introduced him in the timeline, so I just now have to build his career.SouthWriter 06:13, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

Two Americas
I just wanted to let you know that I have just read your comment on Two Americas. I'm happy that you like the basic idea. Going through your comments, I see what you mean, and now I am puzzled. As the name suggests, I want a timeline where there are two Americas, but now I am getting conflicted from my thoughts and your thoughts. I could simply ignore your comments and continue on with mine, but I can't after hearing your thoughts. Maybe you can help me out more with this. —User:NuclearVacuum


 * I just rewrote the introduction to my timeline. I based it roughly on your idea. Please tell me what you think of it so far. —User:NuclearVacuum


 * I like what you decided about WW2 in Europe, assuming that Britain would not have needed American to beat Hitler's Germany. I don't think that the CSA would necessarily side with Hitler, though, even if remaining "neutral." But then, I don't agree that the CSA would hold on to African slaves into the twentieth century either. There are about as many bigots in the north as the south who have abhorent views of anyone of non-Anglo heritage. And in neither region is it by any means a large enough majority to support the likes of either slavery or the genicide andexpansionism of Hitler.


 * Instead of slavery, perhaps a sort of apartheid -- a two-class system just a little worse than the one in OTL until the 1970's -- developed out of slavery. This would be more in-line with the developing industrial complex in both the north and the south. The really dirty and dangerous jobs would go to the African-Americans, who would also suffer from the same "separate, and not quite equal" standards of the early nineteenth century. The world held South Africa in disdain for the same type of class system.


 * There might even be a butterfly effect in keeping the USA out of WW2 as well. The USA by itself may not have been strong enough in international affairs to provoke the Japanese as they did in OTL. The way I read history, the "Boxer Rebellion" in China involved the USA in the affairs of the region on the strength of its performance in the Phillipines in the war of 1898. What if the USA had enough problems back home and stayed out of the mess in Asia. Then came the first World War, in which empires clashed in Europe and in their colonies around the world. In that war, president Wilson wanted to stay our of it but was pressured by still political powerful Theodore Roosevelt. In the ALT, Roosevelt was the president of the USA while Wilson was president of the CSA. Consequently, the USA would have joined the war far sooner, turning the tide in WW1 to such a degree that perhaps the peace treaty supported by Wilson (in OTL) would have worked.


 * Then, Hitler may have been less of a threat since conditions in Germany may have turned as bad. He was a madman, though, and he would have got Germany in another war anyway! As Japan began to expand, though, the USA may not have been a threat. Japan attacked the US forces precisely because they were moved into positions in Hawai'i and the Phillipines in order to mount a defense of interests in Asia. If FDR had not put the forces there, Japan would probably have left Hawai'i alone. An attack on the Phillipines, also a territory of the USA, may have been enough on it's own to invoke a war. If so, maybe the USA could have collect the favor earned in the Spanish-American War, and made quick work of stopping the Japanese in the Pacific War.


 * Well, enough for now. I hope this helps.SouthWriter 22:21, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

Piedmont page
A brand-new user has added some content to the Piedmont page: here's the edit. I didn't want to revert or meddle with it without knowing the situation, so I thought I'd just alert you. Benkarnell 03:38, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

South, this has happened to me before; don't feel obligated to roll with any "suggested" changes to your canon. BrianD 03:42, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Americana Games
I took inspiration from the Europa Games being held in Prussia in October. It is supposed to be a subtle way of acknowleging the fact that every single state was born from the territory of the United States of America.That and the fact that the opening ceremony takes place of the Fourth of July.

Yankovic270 16:16, February 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay. So perhaps the American expatriots in Mexico will not be invited to participate. Either way, I hope to get a team from Piedmont and Lincoln (n. Idaho) to the games. If you want, also, you are welcome to offer suggestions on this talk page for how history unfolds in the Piedmont Republic. I have gotten distracted reading everybody else's pages that I haven't been very creative here at home. Any suggestions in getting Lincoln through the "warlord" stage would be helpful as well.

Outer Banks
I didn't really work on that article. I'd suggest bringing up the population figures on that article's talk page or the main TL talk page. Mitro 22:59, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

Jackson
How do you know that Jackson isn't a dictatorship? You don't, because not a word has been written on them so far. When it is written, it'll be my version of events. Face it. When it comes to the former southern United States. Kentucky and Virginia have the lion's share of the power.

Yankovic270 21:15, February 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, indeed, history is written by the winner. :-) However, as I have shown in my dealing with the history of Anderson, we need not have a biased account just to show how "great" we are. History does, indeed, have more than one point of view.


 * I am just not sure I like the way you have taken my neighbors to the north. I am pretty sure I am going to have to push for an alliance among the weaker nations to demonstate to the ANZC that the former US states are not a danger to world peace as we know it. My next segment of the Piedmont article, I think, will be their finding the ruins of what had been a "promising" survivor community in southeast South Carolina. Having fought a war with a neighbor, the hope to find friendlier neighbors to the southeast, only to find ruins left by a Category 5 hurricane in 1989. Some communities face dictators, others something a lot worse! SouthWriter 22:20, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Quite frankly, the history books are always written with a bias. The winners want their story told, not the loser's. And the history books never stay unbiased when it comes to dictatorships, especially losing dictatorships.

Yankovic270 22:28, February 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yep. "History" books are going to pick and choose. News reports are the same way a lot of times. However, that does not preclude an honest researcher from presenting both sides. In fact, that's what makes investigative reporting intreresting - even though the reporter's own bias usually gets in the way anyway. Though this wiki is not strictly "wikipedia," as a co-operative work it must at least attempt to show some semblance of balance in its reporting. If you haven't already, check out what I wrote on the main talk page. I think I found a sequence of events that could have arisen to a dictatorship in Jackson. SouthWriter 23:33, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

==<span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">Retroactive changes to the timeline   == <span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">South, I've been thinking about the points you've made in the past several weeks, regarding rewriting portions of the timeline to make things more realistic. I resisted at first (as I'm sure you could tell!) but I was reminded recently that it's good to not dismiss such proposals out of hand. If an idea is good, and plausible, and workable, then the editors here should at least hear it out, and be open to new proposals and/or changes to older ones.

<span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">That said, I'm not opposed to reworking canon, specifically rewriting Blue Ridge/Tennessee/WCRB articles to retroactively reflect Piedmont, perhaps going back as far back as the late 1980s (we could talk about that more on our respective talk pages; that would have to be approved by the editors here, in so far as it affects the rest of the timeline, but I wouldn't see approval as a problem). As far as other issues you've raised in regards to the timeline: if it was I making these proposals, I would start the conversation by raising my points on the main 1983:Doomsday talk page, and explain what I think needs to be changed, and why. Once I did so, then see where the conversation goes....and, because of the collaborative nature of the wiki, be prepared for the probability that not all of my proposals will stick, and be willing to give and take on some of them. BrianD 19:12, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

== <span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">Thompson   ==

<span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">If you had had the sense to actually read the article, you would know that the figure I used was James E. Thompson, the commander of the 101st Airborne at the time. He is not some guy I made up off the top of my head. Please do more research before you critizize my work again. (Especially my crowning achievement the Virginian Republic.) And if you make it more constructive I would actually listen to you.

<span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">Yankovic270 23:18, March 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * <span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">I apologize for doubting you. The problem is, the picture that you chose is NOT the James E. Thomspon to which the link on the 101st Airborne's wikipedia article leads. The editors of that page apparently made an internal link to wikipedia article to a man by that name. When I researched "James Thompson" the list of names was quite long, so I did a search for James E. Thompson and got to the only article in wikipedia about a "James E. Thompson." If you had read that article, you would have at least not used his picture. That was what through me off. It was your attitude that made me look up James E. Thomspon, and when I saw the very picture that you posted, I naturally read the article. I would have looked further for a general Thompson if I had not seen that picture. I should have known you wouldn't make up someone. SouthWriter 02:06, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

== <span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">Wanna help? ==

<span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">I have been very busy for the past few weeks, and all my attention is centered around my other timeline. I was wondering if you would be interested in being an "admin" for the TwoAm timeline. I have confidence that you will be a perfect writer for it. Are you interested? —NuclearVacuum 20:06, March 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * <span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">Sure, I can work on it a little. I will start by finishing my suggestions for presidents of the CS. I appreciate your adoption of my nominees so far. I'm thinking, though, that we might want to go with multiple parties in the CSA, especially in the period since WW2.


 * <span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">Choices of the lineup of presidents, though, will certainly effect world politics to an extent. I think that our present course of two Americas marching in agreement internationally should continue, however. It makes it easier to judge the direction of the ALT if we stick close to OTL whenever possible.SouthWriter 23:30, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

<span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="> ==<span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">State College   ==

<span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">South your my population expert, what do you think would be a reasonable population level for State College PA? --GOPZACK 19:28, March 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * <span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">Hard to say. In OTL the town is one of the safest places in the USA. Being in the center of PA, it is significantly far enough from major targets to neither be damaged or in danger of being over-run by refugees. Additionally, in the middle of Amish and Minnonite country, the locals would learn how to cope from the experts in 19th century living. The city and Centre County of which it is a seat probably together had a little over 100,000 people at Doomsday.


 * <span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">The student population would have been largely stranded at Penn State -- at least until they knew what had happened. Some would have tried to get home, but most would have become part of the community. As they learned the simple ways of the Amish, they would settle down and have families. For some reason the growth rate of PA was only about 0.25% per anum in OTL, but that was for the whole state. The Amish and Minnonites most likely saw a little bit better than this. College students, seeing themselves suddenly "grown up" and not having access to birth control, would probably end up following the ways of the "locals" and have big families.


 * <span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">And so, let's say a 2% per anum increase which gives a populatiion of about what it is now -- rounded down -- at 140,000. Central Pennsylvania shows promise as a good survivor community. If we assume the storm system of tropical storm Dean blowing lingering dust clouds from the east coast inward, the fallout might cause some problems. However, by the time the winds shifted to the northwest, most of the fallout would have settled on New England.SouthWriter 03:18, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

LoN Virginia
You have been very critical of Virginia in the League of Nations talkpage. What I want to know is why? What makes you want to rip my masterpiece to shreds? I think the Virginian Republic has earned the right to full membership in the LoN. I have worked very hard on the Virginians! Do you think I am going to just sit arround while you badmouth my greatest creation? Your criticism has been said before. Many, many times. I have given explainations every single time, and yet '''no one listens! '''And do you think that GOPZACK is going to like you calling Kentucky a Virginian "puppet state?" I think not! But seriously, what was it that turned you into a AltHist Simon Cowell?

Yankovic270 01:13, March 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * <All I did was point out the agression of the Republic's military government. I do see inconsistencies in the viability of the rise of the Republic as you presented it, but I also see big holes in the thesis of the dysopia under which we are all working. However, I have chose, for the most part, to work within it. The only portions I now "control" are Piedmont and the remaining survivors of South Carolina. I have to deal with two rogue states "created" by another that I have adopted. One I have chosen to "soften" into a peaceful "state," the other to develop into a present danger.


 * <span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">I address membership of the LoN over at that talkpage. And we are listening. We just don't happen to agree. As for Kentucky being a "puppet" state, that is not what I said. I referred to Portland as a puppet state. And yes, that is what the city-state is. It was created as a small self-contained government early on in this project. Other larger states were created that naturally would need to interact with it. But basically it is just a city, looking for a place to fit in.


 * <span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">As for being an AltHist Simon Cowell? I guess it is the "perfectionist" in me. But I chose to be part of a group, so I am only one vote among many. SouthWriter 18:16, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

== <span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">Help   ==

<span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">Hi Southwriter could you help me expanding my article call South American World http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/South_American_World, invite more people for help and let's create something big, we could start with a news page. <span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">

Thank you please answer me, VENEZUELA 03:29, March 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * <span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">I have other time lines I am working on, but I am here for advice. Here are a few things I do.

<span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">I make extensive use of Wikipedia. I use Google Earth to get an idea of distances and towns in the areas involved. I try to make my story as close to reality as possible. I am what we call a "perfectionist," which is a drawback at times. Science Fiction is a lot easier (you can get away with a lot by using vague terms and undeveloped theories).

<span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">In your idea of an isolated South America, forced to repopulate the world, I would put together a buffer period following the plague -- time for the world to become mostly depopulated with only pockets of survivors and/or the infected subhuman types. Then you can take the knowledge and technology available to South America and go from there. It could be a reverse of what happened in history. Explorers would have the advantage of accurate maps, but they would be facing an unknown world once they landed on foreign shores. Colonization would follow.

<span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">Above all, have fun. If you want to have collaboration, be willing to work with the others. And most importantly, be ready to change your ideas if you have to. --SouthWriter 04:08, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

== <span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">Honorary Citizen   ==

<span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">Have you see this: Honorary Citizens (1983: Doomsday). You might find it interesting, especially after I saw your remark in the archive. Mitro 18:09, April 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * <span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">Thanks. I have added myself to the page! SouthWriter 19:56, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * <span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">You're welcome. It was one of those articles that people were excited about at first, but then no one wrote anything and it was forgotten and buried. Your comment in the archive reminded me about it. Mitro 20:05, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

== <span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">What u said on my talkpage about politics   ==

<span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">I see you are a conservative republican. At least you have an opinion in which you beleive. I wish people would stop giving me funny looks when i express my "Old Liberal" views.HAD 22:33, April 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * <span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">I thought you'd gone to bed, man. I assume you mean that you are a libertarian? In my understanding of the Queen's English, being liberal means being generous -- especially with one's OWN money. We joke over here that the "liberals" are only liberal with OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY. Today's "conservative," on the other hand, often wants to go back to the days of Eisenhower (1950's). That adminstration had largely adopted Roosevelt liberalism (considered by some as "socialism"). I am probably more in line with libertarians than most conservatives who claim to be constitutionalists. I see very little in the way of Jeffersonian federalism in America today. SouthWriter 01:37, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

<span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">I am a left-winger and I am proud of it! I admitt that my political attitudes are severely Socialist. I'm basically toeing the line between being a Socialist and being a Communist.

<span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">Yankovic270 01:56, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

<span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">For my political views what I should have said is that I am too socially liberal for the GOP. When it comes to economic issues and foreign policy issues I'm somewhat more in line with the Republicans but I believe my views on most things are too contrarian to be affiliated with any movement or party. --GOPZACK 01:57, April 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * <span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">Whoa! True confessions time! Can it be that the creator of a hyper-conservative militaristic (West) Virginia is a flaming liberal?? If so, it explains some of the misconceptions coming out with the use of the military to "control" an anarchistic situation. Of course, I am not up on the views of Canadian "liberals" and "left-wingers."


 * <span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">Meanwhile, I think I remember that Zack is a Floridian. I can understand libertarian and contrarian economics a lot better than I can liberalism and socialism. However, it appears that many of the survivor states had to begin with socialistic measures just to survive. SouthWriter 02:21, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

<span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity="><span span="" style="font-family: <span _rte_entity=">I basically made the West African Union a big wank of my politics. Economically I'm centrist, free market is the way to go but I'm not against some state owned industry when it comes to things like power and emergency services. And deregulation can be disaterous as proven the last few years. Socially I'm a bleeding heart liberal, but when it comes to political correctness I think its the worst thing to ever happen to society. Free speech is more important than someone's feelings.Oerwinde 07:13, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

<span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity=">: <span _rte_entity=">I am speaking in the sense of being an "Old Liberal" politically with regards to liberty (Very indiviulist) and an American Libretarian economically. HAD 09:51, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

<span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity=">The Dakotas
<span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity=">: <span _rte_entity=">South would you like to divide & conquer the Dakotas. I've started the page that has a general over view of South Dakota, I did make a page for which will be an overview of that state but it is currently blank. If you'd like you can start that up. Together we'll define a clear vision for the unknown areas of South Dakota and North Dakota. GOPZACK 21:10, April 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * <span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity=">: <span _rte_entity=">Sure thing. It looks like we are left with North Dakota sliced up by Lakota and Assinobia right now. There seems to be a little disputed or "no man's land" between those two. The southeast, though, seems "unclaimed." I'm thinking that the Dakotas north and east of the Missouri River and south of Assinobia will have to ban together. SouthWriter 21:38, April 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * <span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity=">: <span _rte_entity=">Here is the present situation:


 * <span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity=">The Dakotas go from being North and South to being East! North Dakota has less left than does its southern neighbor. SouthWriter 21:59, April 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * <span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity=">[[File:Proposed_Mid-Am_states.png]]

<span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity=">: <span _rte_entity=">Also, you can see that I suggest the Republic of Lincoln split the state of Nebraska north and South rather than east and west. This gives an easy border (a river) to divide them. And what would be a good name for a North Missouri - South Iowa confederation? Being between the rivers, "Mesopotamia" comes readily to mind. :-) SouthWriter 21:59, Appril 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * <span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity=">: <span _rte_entity=">Excellent :-) I suppose we should also lay claim to Fargo and Bismarck, neither were hit on Doomsday and I suppose a story could be made based off of the people in south central and south eastern North Dakota rallying around Allen I. Olson the governor at the time.

<span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity=">: <span _rte_entity=">As for the name of a North Missouri - South Iowa confederation I'm not sure but when we've got a name we better start writing up a proposal for that one. --GOPZACK 22:07, April 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * <span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity=">Indeed. I figure the farmers of those small towns would have a great will to live even as the larger cities were falling apart. You'll note I marked the areas around the bombed-out cities of Missouri as "claimed" by the confederation of counties marked in red. It needs fleshing out, and I'm not sure where the whacky "Republic of Lincoln" nearby is headed, but I think there is still hope for America. SouthWriter 00:56, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

<span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity="><span _rte_entity=">I can tell you that all three of the nations I created in North America (Lincoln, Virginia and Assiiniboia) have one thing in common. They have absolutely no intention to rejoin the countries they were formerly a part of. None what-so-ever.

Yankovic270 01:24, April 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd have to disagree Yank on one nation, Lincoln they are a "swing nation" if you will. They could easily go either way.


 * As for whats up for the future of Lincoln South you should speak with Yank. --GOPZACK 01:28, April 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh & South I need to enlist your services as the population "nazi" to determine what a good population would be for the now renamed "Provisional Republic of The Dakotas"

PS something screwy has happened to your page. GOPZACK 01:45, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

OK I fixed part of it. GOPZACK 01:53, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Probably something I did - I left the site in edit mode quite a while before saving it. SouthWriter 04:11, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

though I may have exagerated on the part of the Lincolnites, but their rejoining the Provisional United States is still unlikely. You see, the hope that the US would rise again has been fading ever since the Governor comitted suicide trying the maintain contact with the US Federal government. Even if I wanted to write a referendum on the matter, it is still unlikely that it would go in favour of joining the PUSA. I have made it my purpose to know the national psychology of my nations, to know what makes each one "tick" as it were.


 * 1) Republic of Lincoln - Originally a nation of devout patriots, the belief that the US would return sharply declined over the years. This leaves the Lincolnites somewhat jaded and dissillusioned. Thus they are resistant to any attempt to resurrrect the dead US of A.
 * 2) Virginian Republic - The Virginians, due to their militaristic society, have a practical way of looking at the return of the United States. They either think it isn't going to happen, or that it will be a strictly regional event that would never reach the Virginian border. Plus the Virginian government (while in militaristic dictatorship mode) indoctrinated a strong sense of patriotism..... to Virginia. Like Robert E. Lee much of the population thinks of themselves as Virginians first, Americans second. A whole generation thinks of themselves as Virginians and nothing else.
 * 3) Assiniboia - The Aissiniboians have a strong independant nature. This was fueled by their unique geographic position. The two Canadian survivor states (the independant one to the east and the one in the NAU) have attempted to get the Assiniboians to join peacefully. They don't join the "official" Canada due to what they see as the Canadian abandonment of the future Assiniboians. It was because of the openly hostile Lakota that they rejected the offer of the NAU Canada. The openly hostile government to the south and the indifferent government to the east caused them to forge a new identity as Assiniboians. Even if the brushfire wars in North Dakota stopped or the territory in between Assiniboia and the rest of Canada wasn't uncontrolled it is still extremely unlikely that the nation would join either nation.

Yankovic270 02:03, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, Hi, Yank. I didn't see you come in. :-)

I am starting to get used to your articles. You are a pretty good story teller. Unfortunately, you and I have a totally different philosophy on alternate histories. You write on the premise that if it is possible, let's go with it. I prefer to look at the probable, and build upon it. I jumped in this alternate history a year into it, and have tried to moderate the fantastical claims that early writers were basing their stories upon. Though not accepting some of the premises, I have chosen to work within the framework that has been lain before I got here. If I didn't, I could create my own time line and seek a "following" there.

And about "your" nations, that is another place where we differ. I once got caught up in a discussion where I referred to "my" republic, but was called on it. I repented. In this joint effort, I don't see us "creating" nations out of nothing. Or rather chosing characters more or less from history and using them to manipulate on our own "game board." When I adopted Madagascar, for example, I found only one thing that may have been much different in the developments there prior to December of 2009. I still don't know if a civilian prime minister would have been retained in December with the absence of the military man that came on board. But I didn't know enough about the military to chose another "real" character, so I kept the civilian. I have about a month to rest on that one, because the elections were postponed until May.

But in a situation where another writer chose to kill a living leader though he lived in real life, I left it alone after my objection was over-ruled with a reasonable explanation. That is like a mini - POD, a personal point of divergence to move the story along in a logical way. In the case of the "outing" of Rockefeller in the Virginian Republic, I would have loved to have seen some intrigue written into his return to politics after twenty years in "exile" (or whatever), but another reasonable general was found, so the story remains much the same.

Well, I've written enough. I think I will go do a little on North Dakota before calling it a night. SouthWriter 04:11, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Jackson War
South I understand you had a few issues with the Virginia- Jackson war. I was just wondering what they were? --GOPZACK 22:33, April 7, 2010 (UTC)