Talk:Europe 1430 (Map Game)

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China
WTF......China would never change to European style ANYTHING at this time period (even with the several European countries people helping). In-Fact if china changed the style of anything and demanded like it dose that everyone do as the European's are, then it would be a bloody revolution near immediately from the now trained military (doesn't mind the training, but would HATE the fact that EVERYONE must do as the foreigners do). And the people would hate this even more. It is impractical, NAI IMPLAUSIBLE to happen.--DaBigUn 19:56, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Also, what would the king or the country gain from this? From all the other posts Shaung seemes to be pretty intelligent, but this just seems to go against the grain of his character. This is like the PM of India suddenly privatising much of the government, abolishing the caste system (and upholding the abolition), forcing the entire nation to dress like corporate execs, and then converting to LDS. BoredMatt 20:12, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

It also seemed like there was no resistance at all to the changes aside from a few nobles who were crushed immediately. These kind of sweeping changes are possible without mass rebellion, but they would have to be gradual over like 200 years.Oerwinde 23:56, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Peter the Great intiated reforms in Russia in less then 20 years. Shaung intiated reforms in China in about 15-20. --Catherine 00:34, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Well yea, but the difference between the cultures of westeern europe and Russia are alot smaller than the differences between China and Europe. And Peter wasn't pretty much liberating 80% of his population from serfdom while he made said reforms, or changing his religion to one that most Chinese would never hae heard of, much less understand. He just centralized power and modernized. BoredMatt 00:53, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Not to mention he's giving equal power to women, something that people had a problem with in the 1900s let alone the 1600s.Oerwinde 16:52, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Peoples, this is not implausible. India modernized and became one of Asia's most prosperous and powerful countries in this map game simply because of adopting European technology, ideas, and customs. China can do so as well. It is possible AND plausible to happen. --Catherine 17:24, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

India was essentially modernized by force. the British colonial rulers basically suppressed the native culture for several hundred years. this is not a good analogy. you're also underestimating China's attitudes toward western culture. the only reforms any Chinese emperor attempted were the Hundred Days reforms. they're called that because the Emperor was OVERTHRONE after 100 days. China refused to accept that western ideas were supperior until the twentieth century. Destroyanator 17:31, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

I am not talking about Real-Life India, I am talking about the India in the map game. Anyways, if China modernizes and westernizes, it can challenge the supermacy of India, and perhaps the Middle East-Europe. It is very well possible to happen. --Catherine 17:48, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

You're completely ignoring the culture of China. ANYTHING that wasn't Chinese was considered stupid and inferior. the minute Shuang proposed any of these reforms, he would be stabbed and a new emperor would be proclaimed within minutes. taking advice from westerners was like taking advice from dogs, to the Chinese Destroyanator 17:55, June 19, 2010 (UTC)