Talk:Axis vs Allies: Reloaded (Map Game)

Negotiations.
This is the area where SAACP-CNAT negotations can begin.

I will start it off, I guess. Poland (and the rest of CNAT possibly) will be at peace with the Loyalists if the following are followed

Venezuela is divided into two: the top part a Commmunist government with the support of CNAT, while the South partis Fascist, or whatever SAACP makes

Columbia and Brazil stop interfering with Communist activities in South America. No funding of rebels in SAACP nations, or CNAT nations, unless at war. There is to be a demiltarizied zone at the border of the newly created Venezulan nations No one is to be blamed for the Venezuelan civil war, however Brazil must accept blame for declaring war on the USSR Communist parties in any elections, if any, cannot be stopped from particapating in the elections.

I think this is a good treaty. Any SAACP responses We will accept CNAT backed regime in South America but as a condition the draft 2 is to be accepted as the territory distribution, and all CNAT forces withdraw from south America, and like expressed earlier there be future posibilities of unifying all of Venezuela under the rule of one flag<

Turns
We only have 1 turn per day. It starts at 00:00:01 UTC, or 7:00 pm Eatern, 6:00 pm Central, and 2:00 pm Western Time (USA). PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 01:05, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

You might want to change rule #4 on the main page then.JonAllenMichael 16:15, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

United Nations.
According to the rules, the UN is supposed to be created between 1945 and 1947. Who is going to make it. Also, lets say a group of nations work in their own alliance, can this alliance make rules for it's member states. For instance, lets say "the Pro Dictatorship Alliance just made a law that all member-states ban guns" sort of thing. TacoCopper 23:26, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

It'll be about the same thing as before. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 23:34, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, Thanks.TacoCopper 23:44, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Result
Germany victorious, annexation of Egypt into Germany. Due to the closeness of the result, it would take an year to conquer Egypt, and deal with resistance.

Discussion
Germany already deployed forces to Egypt by boat an few years back. Enclavehunter 23:52, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Result
Blockade against Germany is broken.

Discussion
Since this an user vs user battle, please correct if I did something wrong. Enclavehunter 03:09, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

New Granada invasion of Ecuador
Need help with the algorithim here

Nukes
could sombody tell me what order we're supposed to get nukes?Wegscuba 00:35, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

If I remember right it is:

Draycos 04:36, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Britain and Germany Ceasefire

 * Location: 2
 * Tatical Advantage: 0
 * Strength: 6
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 9
 * Stability: 5
 * Total: 27
 * Location: 5
 * Tatical Advantage: 3
 * Strength: 0
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 4
 * Total: 22


 * Location: 4
 * Tatical Advantage: 2
 * Strength: 6
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 7 (used random.org)
 * Stability: 5
 * Alliances: 12
 * Total: 46
 * Location: 2
 * Tatical Advantage: 1
 * Strength: 9
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 4 (used random.org)
 * Stability: 5
 * Alliances: 12
 * Total: 38
 * Russia/Poland 1944.6

Discussion
This treaty is unfair to Germany. If Britain is going to keep their land in China, Germany should be able to keep there land in Egypt.

Germany must withdraw from all of Egypt, however, it will pay for the war reparations (and Germany's as well).


 * 1) USA 1946
 * 2) Japan 1947.6
 * 3) United Kingdom 1949
 * 4) All Others 1961.6

Germany will withdrawal from Egypt (but keep the Sinia Peninsula and Alexandria). Germany will pay for the repairs of Egypt, and an five-year repartition to rebuild the units lost due to German actions.Britain and Germany sign an six-year non-agression pact to keep the ceasefire together.

Germany will not withdraw from Egypt, because if Britain can keep China, then Germany keeps Egypt. However, Germany will pay for the rapitions. The Neatherlands must also stay out of German territory, as the Facist regime is gone. Enclavehunter 19:37, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Decolonization
Around now in history, the U.K, France, and Europe was giving independence to its bigger colonies. Should India, Dutch East Indies, and French Algeria get Independce? Swollow

We'll follow the decolonization timeline- Libya is next, in 1951. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 00:09, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Austrian and Hungarian Unification Talks
Austria would like to unite with with Hungary to form the Austro-Hungarian Democratic Republic, which would have a constiution much like the the United States of Americas. DeanSims 18:44, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Cold War
I see an Cold War brewing in the not so future. Am I the only one who sees it. Enclavehunter 02:33, February 15, 2012 (UTC) No, I've seen it coming for a while now. Five differant nations with Nukes, three world political party (four if you count the UN), and minor wars breaking out over globe. Yeah say we are all ready there. Draycos 02:38, February 15, 2012 (UTC) Looks like WWII will start soon too. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 02:39, February 15, 2012 (UTC) we definitley are in an Axis/CNAT cold war. Wegscuba 21:23, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Space Programs
Should the mods have a vote on who puts a man in space first?Wegscuba 21:23, February 15, 2012 (UTC) I say so too but if the only two are joint CNAT and Axis Programs, send them up at the same time. if I'm correct, the axis and Japan are the only two trying to send a man to space. Germany trying to launch an sattelite. Enclavehunter 03:09, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

We don't want a space shuttel going up in 1958, or Mongolia detonating an a-bomb in 1952, like on AvAr.82.2.79.169 17:40, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

Result
How in the (excuse my French) hell did Britain just launch an nuke at Havana. It's too far out of range, and the only way back then to transport an nuke was by bomber. Enclavehunter 03:19, February 17, 2012 (UTC) First off I have know clue to how they did it. Second aren't you thr German player. Draycos I guess britian sent a bomber from jamacia, or something Wegscuba 04:29, February 17, 2012 (UTC) Yes, I'm the German Player. I'm just wondering. Enclavehunter 04:33, February 17, 2012 (UTC) You know what, let's pretend this did not happen! RandomWriterGuy 21:01, February 17, 2012 (UTC) Probably a good idea Wegscuba 03:14, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Result
Greece barely gets a foothold in russia.

Discussion
my reason for invading russia isn't political, but strategical. If the attack fails, then my soverignity will be threatened. I dont think that only the USSR will be invovled in this defence of Russia. Neither do I. at the current time of the invasion, however,i don't think there were no foreign troops in Ukraine. i think troops will come to help defend soon, though

Mapping Question
Question with what program can i color in and make the maps to post on here? I can make the map, just tell me where. Enclavehunter 21:20, February 18, 2012 (UTC) i want to know mainly for the althistory im making. and for my own posible usage can you tell me what program is best? It depends on what computer you have. For Microsoft you can use Microsoft Paint, or GIMP.2, its free, I have it. If you have an Macintosh or another computer, you can still get GIMP. Enclavehunter 01:44, February 19, 2012 (UTC) I would say Photoshop or photoshop elements, but Gimp is same as those two and it is free. It just depends on your personnel preference. Draycos 01:49, February 19, 2012 (UTC) How much is Photoshop anyway. Enclavehunter 01:56, February 19, 2012 (UTC) The newest verson varies $400-$350 with student discount Around $200. The newest Photoshop Elements (basicly a lite version) is $100-$50. old versions you can get much cheaper. Draycos 02:06, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Invasion of Italy
CNAT Italy and Axis forces.

Results:
CNAT slowly moves through the nation, but still advances. Germay joined in as well. I added you. That is how we got an additional six points. If we can get the USSR in, we can win this campaign of ours. How is CNAT Strength double that of the Axis, and expand how you took Austria when it was a tie. What happened was that there were three countries, and the others had three countries, so I the chance had something to do with it, as it gave us an point further. However, this is just for the invasion, it's not like we can take an country down in an year, it took Austria two, and I assume Italy would take two to three.Enclavehunter 17:13, February 19, 2012 (UTC) Romania and India have joined in the defense of Italy, which gives the Axis six more points and 57 in total I believe. CheesyCheese 21:17, February 19, 2012 (UTC) This will also add to the force defending and help counter-attack, turning the tide of the war (well you deserve to lose). :P Imperium Guy 21:27, February 19, 2012 (UTC) Sorry guys, I have been outside today and wasn't on till now. I have added the extra contributations. Also, why do we deserve to lose. I don't want extra land, I want to be secure. I don't want to be surrounded by enemies on all corners, that is what this war is about. That tends to happen when you form an anti-us alliance.--TacoCopper 22:18, February 19, 2012 (UTC) Woah, how did Cnat's power more than double? There cannot be any way that would happen. Not to mention India and Romania's armies would add much more to the power. Monster Pumpkin

We have two world powers, more people and industry, more people contributing to the war effort. Romania, I don't know, but I will agree with you on the Indian armies. However, on the war algorithm in the archive there isn't anything for adding an army's power besides greater population, industry, or people contributing to the war. TacoCopper

Algorithem needs to be redone,as Tibet is on the axis side, and Germany is not a world power, the four world powers are: Britain, U.S, Japan, USSR. also Neuva Grandana has never said it is helping CNAT. Iyandelian

I would say Germany is a world power. Also, on the Tibet issue, they have said that they have not sent reinforcements to Europe. As for Nueva Granada, they said they would support us in all future campaigns if we gave them Venezuela. We gave them half now, and half later. I can get him to post that is supporting us if you need.TacoCopper

I would not say that Germany is a world power, it just came out of a civil war several years ago and would still be feeling the effects. It would not be as stong as the other four. Monster Pumpkin 01:54, February 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Poland
 * Location: 4
 * Tatical Advantage: 1
 * Strength: 6
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 8
 * Total: 24
 * Hungary
 * Location: 5
 * Tatical Advantage: 2
 * Strength: 0
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 3
 * Total: 20
 * Polish victory. Based on how close it was, it will last one year.
 * P/G/SU
 * Location: 4
 * Tatical Advantage: 1
 * Strength: 21
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 5
 * Total: 36
 * Austria/Italy
 * Location: 5
 * Tatical Advantage: 2
 * Strength: 12
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 4
 * Total: 33
 * It is a tie! How disappointing.
 * The oher axis are helping out in the war effort now, include them in the next algorithim. Wegscuba 03:00, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * I have updated the algorithm. CNAT is now wining thanks to the additional support by other CNAT members, though fighting is still close.
 * i send help of bulgaria to austria, --DarthKaedus 22:11, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * Strength: 9
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 7
 * Alliances:16
 * Total: 49
 * Location: 4
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * Strength: 6
 * Motive: 10?
 * Chance: 6
 * Alliances:22
 * Total: 49?
 * Location: 4
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * Strength: 24(Greater Population, Greater Industry, USSR, world power, Germany, Cuba, Nueva Granada, Japan)
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 6
 * Alliances: 18
 * Total: 58
 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * Strength: 15 (Great Britain, world power, Romania, India,Bulgaria,)
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 5
 * Alliances: 22
 * Total: 59

Well, yes, I agree with you on that. But they have some of the most productive regions, and have a large number of resources within their borders. Also, they are leaders in enginering and nuclear research, as well as some other aras.TacoCopper

Coding Glitches
I just spotted coding glitches- again! RandomWriterGuy 03:34, February 19, 2012 (UTC) Flaming tell me about it!! I am going round trying to correct it. Please note who does this, intentionally or not. Imperium Guy 21:25, February 19, 2012 (UTC) Fixed.81.100.123.250 02:57, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

New Zealand
Can I join as New Zealand? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:09, February 19, 2012 (UTC) Yeah go a head. Draycos 00:08, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Indonesia
Hey im going inactive till thrusday next week can you please not remove me from the game i will be back i promise.

Axis
L 4

T 1

S 6(tibet and another unknown nation are assisting the attack)

C 1

M 10

A 24

total:46

CNAT
L 5

T 2

S 9(greater industry, population, big cheese)

C 3

M 10

A 16

total:48

Result: in a massive counteroffensive, Grecce and two other nations continue the offensive push ino ukraine

Faliure.

Discussion: And your forces are attacking from where? Monster Pumpkin 02:10, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

From the beachead I secured whenever I attacked the USSR in the first placeWegscuba 02:28, February 20, 2012 (UTC) The first attack turned into a stalemate.TacoCopper 02:40, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, your right, this was a failiure....................Wegscuba 19:54, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Axis
L 5

T 1

S 27(greater population, 7 nations assisting, big cheese[UK])

C 6

M 10

A 24

total:73

CNAT Edit
L 4

T 2

S 15(greater industry, three nations assisting, big cheese[USSR])

C 7

M 10

A 16

total:54

Result: Rapid advances into austria are made.

Discussion: How did you get your strength to be 24. We have our allies fighting here as well.

Axis Edit
L 5

T 1

S 27(greater population, 7 nations assisting, big cheese[UK])

C 9

M 10

A 24

total:81

CNAT Edit
L 3

T 2

S 18( 4 nations assisting[including austrian puppet government], greater industry, big cheese[USSR])

C 3

M 5

A 16

total:47

Result: Rapid advances in italy are made

Discussion: Once again, our allies contributions arn't counted. Plus, why is your motive ten.

The motive is ten because, in all examples, if the attack fails, the soverignity of those countries would be threatened. more nations have agreed to fight in Austria and Italy on the Axis side, than on the CNAT side. in both instances, several nations on the Axis posted that they were sending troops there. only poland, germany, and the USSR sent troops to italy and austria. our side also has the biggest population, since more nations are on our side. apparently, no nation has sent troops to the USSR at all. in the USSR, only three axis nations have committed to an attack their, giving the USSR bigger population, and industry.Wegscuba 02:41, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Well I could say the same thing about motive in Italy and Austria because if my attack fails, then the Axis will be mad at me and turn my nation into a democracy puppet state. How did more people side with you in Italy and Austria. No one has posted about counter attacking, only sending troops to help Italy. If you initate a counter attack, I understand that these troops will fight, but my allies are here as well, don't forget to count them in our strength. More nations doesn't equal more population. Thats like saying Bulgaria, Italy, Romania, and Libya attacked the US and therfore had the bigger population since there were more nations on the attacker's side. Can you please show us all the reasons for every strength you have, like what we did with the attack into Italy.TacoCopper

I understand that more nations, doesn't mean bigger population, but considering those nations are the british empire, italy, greece, etc. it does equal a bigger population(mainly because of the UK).even without the motive, the attacks in italy and austria would succeed. I posted about the counterattacks. I included all of the nations who actually had troops present in italy and austria. nations like cuba and japan did not have troops there, so i did not include them. i did include all CNAT allies in the"alliances" section. upon further reveiw of the algorithm, i realized i had made a mistake, and greece would have never captured a beachead in the ukraineWegscuba 19:54, February 20, 2012 (UTC)  

I just want to clarify, when I said counting our allies, I meant in strength. I still think CNAT has the larger population, we have a large portion of China, plus the USSR. If we are only counting troops in te nation, then a lot of nations for both sides would not be counted. The algorithm means miltary aid, so if I supplied you with 100 tanks, that means you can have some more workers go off and join the war, etc etc. Also, why is the motive ten. You don't die if you lose here. You will retreat. If we lose here, our most powerful member has just been invaded and lost the first invasion. Just saying that is demoralizing, If we could have had our motive as ten, then we would have won Austria and Italy faster and with less casulties.TacoCopper 22:59, February 20, 2012 (UTC) 

Even if it wasn't ten, the algorithim wouldn't change much. In the Ukraine, it probably wouldn't be a 10, but I lost there anyway. in italy and austria, we had a 10 because the soverignity of the nation was in question. in austria, we both had 10s, because there were two governments. as far as the strength, All i'm saying is that more nations sent troops to the battle on the axis side than on the CNAT side. Japan didn't send any troops so I wasn't counting them. neither did Cuba or the VSSR, or east Turkestan. at the time, you only had 6 real members, Germany, Cuba, the USSR, Japan, Poland, and East Turkestan. Germany, the USSR, and poland were the only ones sending troops to the war in europe. </li></li>== The US doesn't own El Salvador == The US does not own El Salvador, during no period in the history of earth did the US ever own El Salvador, in-game I stated that it never owned El Salvador, I changed an earlier map to say that it did not own El Salvador; all of that was ignored and the current map still had that it owned El Salvador until I changed it. For the next map, show El Salvador as Independent! LurkerLordB (Talk) 03:03, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

New Color for India/USSR
These two nations are so close in color, for a minute I was about to post something asking how the USSR took over India. Could we give one of them maybe a slightly different color, just enough so that they can be told apart easier? LurkerLordB (Talk) 02:17, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

That would be my fault. I'll change it. :D Imperium Guy 09:12, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Inactive Nations
I've Notice several player have gone inactive for sometime, such as: Portugal - Tim, Thailand - Flagmania, Brazil - Azecreth, and Iceland - BlackSkyEmpire, but are still on the world map. Out of curiosity shouldn't they be removed from the Map?

And Denmark is fairly regular, yet he is not coloured in on the map.Callumthered 07:31, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick response, but Denmark also owns Greenland. Sorry to be ntipicky.Callumthered 23:46, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Gone for a week
It will be a week until I can post again. Therefore, the US is going to be more isolationist for the next several years. They will defend any of their territory (including Bahamas, Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, and Hawaii and Alaska) and the Phillipines if they are attacked. If they are in danger of being destroyed, they may use one of their 30 nuclear weapons. Other than that, they are not going to interact with any other nation. LurkerLordB (Talk) 12:36, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Vietnam War
Ok, I know there are differances Between this timeline and the orginal but Life carries on normally other than what we change, right? If this is true that means that the Veitnam War begin in 1955. Right now it a civil war between Communist Rebels and Anti-Communist forces are going at. I guess my question is this: Is the veitnam war going on or does this event never happen? Draycos 04:50, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

I'll make sure something like that happens. Just letting you all know that decolonization has started. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 21:16, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

I Will Be Gone For A Week
I will be gone this week, please dont mess wit the Nordic Union (Sweden), while Im gone, it will be integrating Norawy into the Uion for the next several turns. DeanSims 18:34, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Situation in Arabia
I haven't been here for the entire game, but I have benn wondering about the situation in Arabia. I tried looking through the archives for an answer but I didn't find anything. Is this map I made right or am I just doing it wrong? Monster Pumpkin 23:21, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Ahh, yes, you are right. The Arabian peninsula was split into several warring nations. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 00:57, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Also, obviously, East Saudi Arabia is much better off than West. They have Mecca and Medina, as well as the oil. I will be making a "Gulf War" soon :) PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 00:57, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Once my civil war is over, I think I might get involved in this region. And in your gulf war as well. :) Monster Pumpkin 01:00, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

And here starts the war... PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 20:07, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

How would I be able to help the Gulf States I support if half my tanks and a tenth of my troops are helping the Balkans (I really want to save the UAE)? :/ Imperium Guy 20:46, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Probably, but don't think that your presence will get a quick end. This war is gonna last for years and years and years :) PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 20:50, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

All I want to do for the UAE is get them to regoin into an emirate and have my troops as a peacekeeping force in the area. :D Imperium Guy 22:50, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

OK PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 23:00, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Manchurian Independence Movement
As I said on the game page:

''' The Manchu language is practically dead today, and only a minority of people living there are ethnic Manchu, and most of them are mixed-race. Several decades ago in 1961, it would probably have been the same (or even worse for the Manchus before China began giving minorities bonuses). The Manchurian puppet state the Japanese had in WW2 was only independent due to Japanese aid, without it it would have been absorbed into China. '''

Quotes from Wikipedia:

"the population of historical Manchuria was overwhelmingly Han Chinese, so while Manchukuo was intended to be a state for Manchus (though many were murdered by the Japanese), Manchukuo had a majority Han population"

"The adoption of favorable policies towards ethnic minorities (such as preferential university admission, government employment opportunities and exemption from the one child policy) has encouraged some people with mixed Han and Manchu ancestry to re-identify themselves as Manchu." (why there are so many people identifying as it today, back then they would of identified as Han)

So, it makes no sense for Manchuria to have its own independence movement and not just try to break away from Japan along with the rest of China. There should be one Chinese independence movement. LurkerLordB (Talk) 23:08, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Considering it, why WOULD they want indpendence? We are the ROCJ with more Chinise repersentaition then Japanise... It would be stupid. Swollow 01:43, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

I'm coming back as China, so if Tibet could give me back the land it took from China when we become independent, that would be great. CrimsonAssassin 02:17, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Woah Woah Woah, I am the ROCJ, Republic of CHINA and Japan. Swollow 04:02, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

I think the system used in PM should be implied here as well. I will post later to show what I mean! :D Imperium Guy 07:44, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, the mod event said both Manchu AND China wanted independence. CrimsonAssassin 12:59, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

What I mean is this:

So that is it. Thoughts? :D Imperium Guy 14:05, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Republic of China and Japan:
 * RoC: Crimson
 * RoJ: Swallow

What? Swollow

Well, of course China would want their independence. Chinese and Japanese people are distinctively different. In fact, Chinese people and Koreans hated Japanese people, and a lot still do now. I personally don't, but the Japanese viewed Chinese and Koreans as Hitler viewed Poles. I'll take back the part Manchu, it will be part of China. However, like I said, people don't like being ruled by a government from a foreign nation. Supposedly you two are united, but it is not possible to fully integrate two nations, especially separated by water, effectively. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 20:24, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Well, of cource China WOULDN"T want their independence. China has more control of the government than Japan and Japan let it happen because of China Recources. Swollow

Doesn't matter. Would you rather be ruled by a government far from your nation or a government from your nation? PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 21:39, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

It doesen't matter if you rule it. And considering I have a airlines provideing travel. Swollow 22:03, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

To say the least this will be how a battle in Parliament would be decided between the Chinese and Japanese, lol. If children from a young age learn Chinese and Japanese as languages, eventually when the generation grows up the differences will be significantly smaller. The Chinese will be speaking Japanese and the Japanese will be speaking Chinese. The cultural differences will remain but many things from the cultures will get fused, such as foods and music. :D Imperium Guy 22:14, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

And yet, that will not happen. They tried that in Korea, and it was resisted so much. It was illegal to speak Korean, write Korean, etc. Kids learned Japanese at school, spoke Japanese, got Japanese names (illegal to have Korean name) they tried to suppress Korean culture. Yet the Koreans took their independence as soon as they could. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 22:18, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Meh, it's theoretically possible, but the Japanese and Chinese would have to get over old hatreds, and that might not happen. Also, because of the many ethnic groups in the state (Chinese, Japanese, Mongols, etc), there would have to be multiple official languages, and that could be difficult. Unlike the situation in Korea, if one side didn't try to supress the other, then it might work. Capitals would have to be split up though. Monster Pumpkin 22:23, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, but we DON'T HATE CHINA. Ill move the capital to Bejjing though to make it eaiser. Swollow 01:12, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

And we are discussing that the young generation will learn both languages, neither will be suppressed. Plus the Chinese will also have to notice that the Japanese helped to "liberate" them from the communists. :D Imperium Guy 20:48, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Norway
L: 5

TA: 2

S: 0

M: 10

C:

S:

A:

Nordic Union
L: 5

TA: 1

S: 6

M: 5

C:

S:

A:

Well
I think it is now time to archieve the game. Do you want to archieve it Pita? :/ Imperium Guy 11:46, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Decolonization
It is the 1960's and only India is indpendent, should we make the colonies forcefully indendent? Swollow

I have been updating the map, use the Africa Decolonization timeline for info. I've decolonized maybe 6 colonies. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 00:32, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Now while colonization seems like a good idea, can countries still fight to maintain their colonies, like what Portugal did in OTL? Monster Pumpkin 00:44, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

You can fight, as long as you intend to lose the fight. LurkerLordB (Talk) 00:46, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

I don't have any colonies, I was just wondering. Monster Pumpkin 00:48, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

The RSA will give up Mallawi and Zambia in 1969, but the rest stayes.Oxfordshire 1972 04:46, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Nordic Union Diplomacy: Tons of gold bullion, 55 years of free iron ore, free shipping through the Baltic Ocean, allowanceof Britsh civillians to travel throught the NU freely while the aparthied systems will gradualy be lifted as whites and balcks are slwly integrated into one society. All britsh naval and military vessels can travel throughout the NU unheaded and use its airports, seaports, harbors, etc for Britans colonies in Africa. More troops and tanks will be given to the Britsh to help on their war agsint terror as well.

The Nordic Union wants all of your colonies if you are willing to sell them, these terms will apply to whichever antions agree to sell there colonies, dont worry, they will all be independant by 1980. DeanSims 16:06, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

You do realize that they will all be independent in 10 years... PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 16:38, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

yews i do realize that. DeanSims 14:24, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Hey all back
Mind if i join the game again i went on a trip for work and forgot to post im surprised my nation has been left alone

NkBeeching playing as New Granada

Nk, log in, and use four ~ for your signature please!! Like so: Imperium Guy 12:46, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Terrorism
Whoever is running the Buddhist terrorist organization the BPA in moderator events (an unlikely group to turn to terrorism anyways) is not controlling them like they should be. Terrorists are not random spastic killers, who just go around killing people because they are evil. The key part of terrorism is terror. Terrorism is violence used to try and get a political, religious, or other sort of point across through fear and terror.

Thus, attacking nations like Mexico would serve no purpose. They gain nothing from doing so, except dragging more nations against them. If they attack Mexico, they are the stupidest and worst terrorists to ever exist. Attacking Mexico serves no purpose but to make the players of this game go "Ooooohhh! Evil BPA is everywhere, killing everyone because they are evil and insane!". Furthermore, there are very few Mexican Buddhists (especially in 1960s and especially in a world without the Dalai Lama being exiled and spreading Buddhist ideas around the world), so the Mexican branch recruiting a ton of members and being actually able to influence the Mexican government is implausible.

The same all goes for South America. LurkerLordB (Talk) 00:37, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

I agree, it's gon wakko.Oxfordshire 1972 16:47, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry about that, i was trying to think up new ideas. however, i'm going to stop posting B.P.A posts now that their leader has been discovered, however mods are free to control them if they wish.
 * OK. No BPA presence in South America. I will change the lines. --Katholico 01:40, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK. No BPA presence in South America. I will change the lines. --Katholico 01:40, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

The Arabs
Is it enough time for the Arabian pinensula to have kida stablized by now? :/ Imperium Guy 12:48, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Even today, the Arabian Pinesula hasn't even recovered from it's own verison of the Dark Ages. There is no way they would have completely stablized back then, but there will be some stable areas in the Arabian Pinesula.TacoCopper 00:30, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

I meant about the war on the Pinensula, is it finished yet? If it is, I think this is how it would look:

Thank you. :P Imperium Guy 13:52, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm, I think I'll make W. Arabia win :D PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 16:25, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

But I thought E. Arabia was the stronger side!! :( Imperium Guy 20:16, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

A little summary please? : P
Well recently, I've wanted to join this game, but could somebody please give me a brief summary of the game? Breif, by like, a few sentences, so, somebody? Ianian58 15:57, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Well the World is split into 3 alliances, the Axis(Democracys-Greece, Europe, India), LOAN(Armed Nuturality-USSR, Australia, France), and Nuteral(U.S). People have just landed on the moon. Swollow 16:06, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

I think it needs to be less brief than that. World War Two was fought in the 50s between the Communist Alliance of CNAT, which had been conquering and pillaging, and the Axis, which isn't evil, but mainly democracies. CNAT lost when most of its member colapsed or left the alliance. The USSR still exists, but is in LOAN now. Civil war has devasted the Middle East, and the space race is on! Hope this helps. TacoCopper

Just a few questions...
I have just a few things about this game that are listed below;

These are just some things in the game that I am wondering about. Monster Pumpkin 21:39, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Can we also have a map of Antarctica, as activity seems to be heating up down there.
 * I think the main reason that the game has died done is because that there is no real action. It seems that people like to play games where they can find enemies and defeat them, and no wars is a bit of a problem. I know Pita has stuff planned, but maybe a world war three would start things rolling again.
 * Also, relating to the boredom issue, is it still possible to gain land? It seems that now, in 1969, no nation can gain land without someone else stepping in, which also adds to the lack of action.
 * Shouldn't Tibet be having some sort of civil strife right now? They own Uyghuristan, which is mostly Muslim, and Tibet is a Buddhist nation. Combine that with the fact that a Buddhist extremist group went around killing people, and that a government minister was supporting the aformented group, most likely the Uyghurs would try to become independent once more. Note: Uyghuristan is another name for East Turkestan.

I agree, and that is why I think the war in the middle east in going to be exciting (Iran will be given back to its original player, but the rest of the middle east is up for grabs and all we need is oil flowing out of the area!!). Don't worry, the B.P.A is going to make a comeback in Tibet, and Uyrhuristan is going to be in a bit of a tight spot. :D Imperium Guy 21:56, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

The Game is dying down. We do need somthing to start a large war. Maybe some nations go through revolutions and have power hungry dictators take over. TacoCopper

Aren't we supposed to not have colonies anymore though? Monster Pumpkin 21:58, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

No but who said we can't do the same thing America is doing, helping the countries become democratic while we drag on a war and get oil? Plus, Saudi Arabia is going to need stablizing (if you know what I mean!). ;D Imperium Guy 22:06, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

How 'bout many Extreme Islamics take control in the Middle East and Northern Africa. After threating to cut off the oil supply, they are able to built up their miltaries and manufacturing industries. After a decade or two of buildup, the Islamics decide to begin invading other areas of Africa. When they finally invade a British Colony (small remant of one, of course) a new world war begins.TacoCopper

Well, we just begun a regional war. And I am pretty sure these nations are quite extreme!! :/ Imperium Guy 22:20, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

with tibet, people in Uyghuristan have been pretty well immersed int tibeten culture for over half a century, plus the fact that the rules stopping people practicing other religions in tibet were lifted in Uyghuristan only, to stop riots and to encourage non buddhists to the country. but there may still be riots if the B.P.A ever actually attacks tibet Iyandelian 07:48, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Fancy some fun? I stomped on an Iranian faultline in 1973 for you!90.244.84.120 01:52, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

Stegga?90.244.85.17 03:05, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

I added the South Pole to the maps.The River Nile-2 02:01, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Nation pages?
Is anyone else planning to create an article for their nation besides me? Or am I just being ridiculous? Monster Pumpkin 01:14, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

I will make one. Can't now, typing with one hand and it is slow. TacoCopper

See Egypt (Avaro).The River Nile-2 02:53, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Muahahaha
We are back as No. 1 on the most edited list! Muahahaha PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 16:41, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

lol. Keep it up! Monster Pumpkin 16:44, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

World War III
Would it be possible for World War III to occur. Enclavehunter 16:43, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

It could happen right now. Probably over the Middle East or Antarctica. Monster Pumpkin 16:45, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Dont worry very very soon muahahahahah PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 16:53, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Who will be the opposing factions because at the moment while there are 2 alliances in name most players are pretty much acting in a free for all way, i mean Nueva Granada is attempting to to establish hegemony over latin america im guessing with Chile's help, europe is becoming divided again and the middle east is a mess and the ROJC is becoming expansionist so is egypt. </li>

Retcon
I think we really need to roll back this game atleast 4 years as it has got way, way, way out of hand. Please listen!! Imperium Guy 22:06, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

How has it gotten out of hand? Monster Pumpkin 22:12, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

I believe he is refering to the Expansioist Egypy, the wars in Latin America, and Japan. Enclavehunter 22:14, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

ive been dong my war in latin america step by step and i havent been to fast only now after 5 years of fighting has the war in latin america turned desicively inmy and chile´s favor. Nkbeeching

I have agreed to peace talks with the Sriyans and given south Sudan indipendence. My conquests took several terns and the Balkans has brokerd me keeping out of Sirya.The River Nile-2 00:52, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Is this a passafist game.01:04, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Not really. Things are just at a lull at the moment, but I think it will heat up soon. Monster Pumpkin 01:06, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

I think it has heated up. We now have new turns everyday, compared to like two a week a few weeks ago. Plus, interesting fact I noticed was that most of the players are now focused in the Southern Regions of the world then in the Northern Regions (i.e Europe has gone mostly quiet, while Africa and South America have been buzzing with activity).TacoCopper

Well, egypt spiced it up, with the Libyan war.....The River Nile-2 13:47, May 6, 2012 (UTC)