User talk:SouthWriter/sandbox/An atheist's objections/@comment-1777104-20100810213211

Feg, your logic is going in a circle. You assume that the universe is all that exists, and then you say that God cannot exist since it takes someone or something outside of the universe to create the universe.

Also, when you concede that God, if he exists, would not be able to "break" the observed "laws" of physics. But these are, as you say, only "as we understand them." We, as creatures, do not tell the creator how he can or cannot do things. It defies logic to say that God's physical laws would forbid his own existence.

Your logic is stretching as well, when you state that since we can't observe something, it is assumed not to exist. That, at best, is an argument from "silence," and is perhaps the weakest of arguments. The argument of "first cause" is indisputable. Things happen because something or someone acted upon something else. Even the theory of evolution depends on this. On the other side of the coin, there's the argument from design.

The analogy of the "watch maker" should suffice to point to a designer. We assume a designer when we see design. A watch doesn't build itself. Further, we assume an assembler, for the parts did not come together on their own. It all goes back to an idea inside the designer's head - put on paper, contracts made, materials tooled, workers toiling - and voila, a watch.

We humans can only "believe" in science by counting on what we "see." Any theory that we come up, if it has scanty evidence, should be doubted. Scepticism in this is good. But science - the study of things in order to KNOW things about them - is limited by our abilities. To depend on our faulty observations, and worse yet on our faulty theories, is dangerous.

Is our "hypothesis" that God exists based on faulty observations? Are we depending on God to be just like we "want" him to be in order to believe in him? Then we are putting our faith in our own creation. It is better to put our faith in the God whom we cannot understand, assuming that He fully understands US.