Talk:Novum Aetatum (Map Game)

HRE Question
Can one person be the entire Holy Roman Empire, as I think the setup appears to be, or will players be restricted to one state in the HRE?

I am just curious, so please let me know.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 00:12, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

Technically one person could be the entire HRE, but at this point in history the Holy Roman Empire is EXTREMELY unstable. Any person playing as the HRE will have to spend quite a while campaigning around their "empire", putting down revolts and reunifying the nation. You could also play as a state within the HRE, and half to keep in mind that you are at least nominally a part of the Holy Roman Empire.

And as the HRE, you will NOT be able to control as vassals non-player controlled states that are up for grabs within the HRE. Jontiben (talk) 20:17, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

General Discussion
I'm working on another alternate history, and I think I'll probably use some of this game for some of the history. Depends on how it goes... Jontiben (talk) 20:19, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Local, you can only take one country. We need two more players to start. Jontiben (talk) 23:52, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I forgot that I was Britain Local (talk)

What colour is the Teutonic Order? Local (talk)

It's the pale orange in modern day Estonia and Latvia Jontiben (talk) 19:46, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

What are the bright green bits in the Teutonic Area

New Map?
So I found (and edited a little) this map on the internet. I think it is a more expanded and exact map of the time period. I



added Burgundy, which is the purple east of France that is not on the actual



map. Here it is:

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 23:21, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

I do have Burgundy on the map. I'm a bit hesitant to accept, as I spent two and a  half months on the current map, so I'll think about it. But I do agree that that's probably more more accurate (I had problems drawing Bulgaria, Hungary, and everything in the Lithuania area. I was running out of space to be very accurate). I will consider your offer. Jontiben (talk) 21:57, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

To be fair, that area that you highlited is actually Franche-Comte, which was a vassal of Burgundy, but not the actual thing. I am aware of the hard work that you did for the map, but I would like the actual Burgundy to be added.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 23:50, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

Take a look at this:



[local, I moved your question to general discussion]

Papal division of Northern Italy (Treaty of Zaragoza)
His Holiness, the Pontifex Maximus of the Catholic Church, proposes this division of Northern Italy. All the major powers are listed*, and every city-state is placed on the map. The city-states placed under the Venice section are to be given full independance from the HRE, and placed under the protection of Venice in return for an annual tribute. The preposition was made before a delegation of Venetian and Holy Roman nobles, as well as neutral Castillian observers. As it was made in the city of Zaragoza (capital of Aragon), it has come to be called "The treaty of Zaragoza". This treaty will take effect in 1302.

Note that the map itself is not to be changed. The map below simply reflects the political loyalties of the Italian city-states. Also note that the reason Pisa is included in the list of those to be independant is to attempt to mend the century or so of bloodshed between Pisa and Venice. *There are others, but they are not listed. Map:

Responses:
 * Holy Roman: The Emperor, with all due respect to his Holiness, declines the treaty for several reasons. One, he knows of the scorn the Italians hold for each other, and believes that simply transferring lords would not be enough. Second, the lands selected towards Venice are far from the actual Republic of Venice, and would be difficult to either protect or control in the face of violent conflict, which is bound to happen if the Pisans have just gotten over the war with Venice. Otto V makes these points known, and offers to have continued dialogue with both his Holiness and the Venetian Doge.
 * Venice: The Doge, remembering the many times to date that His Holiness has shown his wisdom, accepts his judicious decision. He knows the new Italy will be successful becaus ethe Italians, though prone to bickering, share a common culture and a common faith. Should problems arise, he predicts, they will easily and bloodlessly be solved by the prudence of the Pontiff. Finally, in retort to the German foolishness, he points out that both territories are much further from the German capital at Prague than from the most remote point of Venice, so the dear Emperor needn't worry about it.
 * Holy Roman: In response to his eminence, the emperor points out two things. One, Prague is the temporary capital until a new one is constructed, and Two, it is not the closeness of the states that is the problem, it is the ability to reach them. For the Empire, it is a straight ride from city to city. For Venice, it is a several week to month sail around the cape of Italy, and likewise back. His majesty Otto V will wait until he hears from his Holiness.
 * Pope: His Holiness points out that it's only a several days ride from Venice as well to most of the city-states. A combination of that and the fact that Venice has one of the best navies in the world should be enough to defend the city-states from practically anything that can be thrown at them. If you spend too long attacking them, your feudal vassals will no longer be obliged to fight for you, and will disband. Venice could fight back almost any attack on every city-state but Viennois simply by garrisoning towns and shipping them food. As for Viennois, I suggest Venice get more friendly with Aragonian Naples.
 * Holy Roman: You seem to skip over Otto V's main point, your holiness. The Empire is connected to these states by land, Venice is not, and the Empire is not going to let messengers of foreign nations trespass on its territory unless their business directly involves the Empire. The problem is Venice cannot adequatly communicate with the states. As such, we do not sign the treaty based on its impracicality. We thank His Holiness and his Eminence for taking the time to attend this conference, and we hope that this incident will not lead to a meaningless war.
 * Pope: His Holiness is sorry that the treaty does not satisfy the emperor, but is adamant in its implication. His Holiness suggests that Venice place a fleet in the port of Anzio (in Papal territory). A fast horse could reach Anzio fairly quickly, and ships could convey the message the rest of the way. His Holiness offers 10,000 florens to the HRE in reparation for the lost, the cost to be split between Venice, the newly independant states, and the Papal States.

Osman-Goynuk Peace treaty
The mighty Osman Bey sets forth these points for the peace treaty:
 * Relinquish all claims to those lands hitherto conquered by the Beylik of Osman (except those expressly stated below).
 * Goynuk must pay a fee of 7,000 florens, or their equivalent weight in silver. This fee will be payed immediately.
 * Goynuk will be given the town of Bogacioglu, but it must host an Osman garrison.
 * Goynuk will agree to never make war on the Beylik of Osman again. Any appearance of mobilization can and will be punished by extreme force.