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This article is the sandbox subpage for NuclearVacuum. All sections here are only for temporary experiments and or ideas. Some information may be speculative, but under reasonable tensions. All information on here will be removed at one time or another, but not all sections here are permanent (only a few I intend to keep longer than others).


 * User:Mister Sheen/Temp

Featured timelines

 * Great White South:
 * September 2010


 * New Union:
 * July 2011
 * March 2012

Saved images
Here are images I found here, and may find use for (rather than uploading new ones).

Saved links and ideas

 * Primary


 * Parliamentary Seating Chart by Hellerick
 * Russian heraldic (5) (detailed)


 * 13 Fallen Stars


 * Suriname (again)
 * was Swedish from 1758 to 1878.
 * was Swedish from 1758 to 1878.


 * Carolina-Virginia border finalized at the.
 * The were ALL from.


 * British California
 * States for
 * like unification of and
 * like the
 * like unification of and
 * like the
 * like unification of and
 * like the
 * like unification of and
 * like the


 * With no French Revolution:


 * HRE becomes a united Germany?
 * Hungary separated from Austria/Germany?
 * Hungary separated from Austria/Germany?




 * Dutch unification (Dutch Belgium in a Dutch Kingdom)
 * French Netherlands into France
 * Luxembourg into Germany


 * France controlled all of  from 1795 until 1804 (see  ["St. Dominigue"?]).


 * : Future "Captaincy of California"?


 * New Union


 * as a of


 * Soviet Union Pavilion at Epcot
 * Kaliningrad Disney
 * (Democratic socialist Cuban)
 * (Spanish version says this guy is president??)


 * Two Americas




 * Others


 * Antioquia (Triunfa, España!)
 * Antioquia Federal (1983: Doomsday)


 * NASSER'S DREAM


 * Talk:Nasser's Dream

Hooray for storytelling
Greetings to you all. Who am I, you may ask? I am just an observer of time and space. Your people have called me by many names. Zeus, God, the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Whatever you want to call me, my purpose here today is to tell you the amazing story that would eventually change your people into an interplanetary species.

Our story begins billions of years ago, but I remember it as if it were yesterday.

New timeline

 * 1962 -  Venus flyby.


 * 1966 - Venera 3 Venus crash-landing (remnants now believed to be somewhere in western Aphrodite).


 * 1967 - Venera 4 Venus landing (now believed to have crashed landed in the Guinevere Sea).


 * 1969 -  manned Moon landing.


 * 1975 - Apollo 18 manned Venus flyby.


 * 1984 - "Vega" manned Venus landing.


 * 1989 - "Mayflower" manned Venus landing.

?????????

 * Neith (neeth)

Population of New Kamchatka

 * Recent census


 * Gagaringrad (~392,758)
 * Vladivenera (~275,921)
 * New Havana (~146,807)
 * Uragansk (~87,614)
 * Korolyovsk (~52,873)
 * Total (975,826)

New nations for Venus
All states marked in bold lettering are independent nations. Nations in parentheses describe the primary government of the state. Entities in italic denote a collectivity/commonwealth. States in quotation marks describe doubt and/or uncertainty towards the name or the state itself.


 * American Venus


 * VHBuffaloflag.png (Canada)
 * Flag of the Federated States (Venusian Haven).svg 
 * Flag.svg Fortune Bay
 * Flag of New Florida (Venusian Haven).svg 
 * Flag.svg "Scientology State" [soon to be obsolete]
 * Flag.svg "Tethus"


 * Arab (Iraqi-Arabian) Venus


 * Flag of Helal (Venusian Haven).svg "" (Al-Helal)
 * Flag.svg "New Kurdistan"
 * Flag.svg "New Palestine"


 * British Venus


 * Flag.svg "Betashire"
 * Flag.svg "Metisire"
 * Flag of Scotland.svg ""


 * Chinese Venus


 * Flag of Leda (Venusian Haven).svg
 * Flag.svg "New Pyongyang" (North Korea) [maybe]
 * Flag.svg "New Tibet"


 * French (Franco-European) Venus


 * Flag of New Quebec (Venusian Haven).svg
 * Flag.svg Themis
 * Flag.svg Cassini


 * Japanese Venus


 * Japanese Venus flag by Hellerick 3.svg 


 * Soviet Venus


 * Flag of New Kamchatka (Venusian Haven).svg 
 * Flag.svg 
 * Flag.svg Devana
 * Flag.svg "Imdr"
 * Flag.svg New Caucasia
 * Flag.svg New Crimea
 * Flag.svg "New India" (India)
 * Flag.svg New Prussia (Germany[s])
 * Flag of New Saigon (Venusian Haven).svg (Vietnam)
 * Flag.svg New Turkmenistan
 * Flag.svg "New Warsaw" (Czechoslovakia and Poland)
 * Flag.svg Rusalka
 * Flag.svg Sapas

New ideas

 * The Raskat rocket (OTL ) would have been designed to take into account a potential Venus mission. With this extra initiative, more funding and men would help assure the mission to become a success.


 * Lunokhod 1 (OTL ) would successfully reach the Moon in early 1969. Despite the Soviets being able to claim the first "tracks" on the Moon, it would be nothing compared to the "footsteps" made by American astronauts later in 1969. But due in great part to the success of the Lunokhod program, it would not ruin the Soviet moonshot to take place in the early '70s.


 * The Gerkules-Raskat program (OTL N1-L3) would lead to five successful Soviet moon missions between 1971 and 1975. would become the first Soviet to land on the Moon.


 * Despite a successful Soviet moonshot, the Apollo program would not send any more missions to the Moon beyond Apollo 17. Instead, the program would gradually be modified to become a Venus program. Apollo 18 would become the first successful in 1974 (rather than OTL's ). The USSR may (or may not) also do their  mission around the same time.


 * The "Vega" program (potential name; based on OTL [because it would have happened around the same time and I love the name "Vega"]) would become the Soviet manned landing of Venus. Taking place in 1985, the USSR would win the "Second Space Race." The program would send two missions between 1984 and 1986. The mission would be a modified TMK-E mission.
 * Since Venus' atmosphere is as thick as Earth's (either OTL or ATL), the USSR decides to quicken their mission by not designing a return mission. So in short, the Vega missions were a one-way mission. (I will work on this to see if this is a suitable thing to do on either side).


 * An American mission to Venus would take place by the late '80s. Other nations would include a joint ESA mission in the late '90s, and a Japanese, Chinese, and potential Arab mission by today.
 * I consider Saddam Hussein to be crafty enough to consider an Iraqi mission to Venus. His space program was expanding. Had it not been for the invasion of Kuwait, we may have seen an Iraqi astronaut by OTL. With Venus being promising, he may seek cooperation (rather than intimidation) in the Arab world. The oil-rich nations may show interest in a joint-Arab mission, leading to a Pab-Arabian Space Agency, and a strong Arab League/Union.


 * Participating nations/organization


 * USSR and USA &mdash; Self-explanatory. Moving on.


 * France and ESA &mdash; Prior to the PRC, was on the verge of a manned-spaceflight mission. With Venus as a destination, the French-dominated ESA would definitely become a Venusian power. Also a note, Canada cooperated as part of ESA's  (plus ), Canada is squished between ESA and NASA.


 * Great Britain &mdash; I initially opposed the UK becoming a Venusian power. I support European integration, which would have had the UK as part of ESA. However, after getting inspired by someone who has a strong passion for the British space program, as well as doing some history on the matter, I now can see the UK working towards a successful space program. Plus, since originally creating this timeline, I have become a Whovian who supports the "New British Empire." However, my only concern would be the UK's position between the US, USSR, and ESA.


 * China and Japan &mdash; pretty much also self-explanatory.


 * Iraq and the "Arab Union" &mdash; While nowhere near the US or USSR, Iraq's space program would be an interesting place to look. With Venus such a juicy target, Saddam may see Venus as a better way to solidify his power than his invasion of Kuwait. I am confident that many nations would automatically support him (such as Libya and Syria), while others (like Saudi Arabia and Kuwait) would grow more interested in the space race. With Saudi wealth backing an Iraqi-backed space program, Hussein may actually achieve the fame and position as an Arab unifier. A Pan-Arab Space Agency (PASA) would be inevitable, while the ideas of a stronger "Arab Union" could come out of the mix. The Arab Spring will have to be looked into.


 * Mission dates?


 * USSR &mdash; 1984 (Gagaringrad)
 * USA &mdash; 1990 (Kennedy City)
 * ESA &mdash; ~1990s
 * UK &mdash; ~1990s
 * Japan &mdash; ~2000s
 * China &mdash; ~2000s
 * Iraq &mdash; ~2000s
 * India &mdash; ~2010s
 * Iran &mdash; ~2010s


 * Colonial comparison


 * to Commonwealth of Virginia (169 years)
 * to State of New York (150 years)
 * to Canada (104 years)
 * New South Wales to Australia (113 years)
 * Salt Lake City to Utah (49 years)
 * Gagaringrad to New Kamchatka (17 years?)

While the regions may look big, most of the area is claimed land.

Koshmar

 * Main article:, 


 * System: Solaria (Solar System)
 * Biosphere: Venusiana (Venus)
 * Kingdom: Tereshkovia (Animal-like)
 * Phylum: c/s
 * Class: Pseudokoris (False bug)
 * Order: c/s
 * Family: c/s
 * Genus: c/s
 * Species: incubus

Note to self

 * Ishtar is in Venus' north pole. Venus rotates backwards due to being flipped upside-down. However, Ishtar is still located on the top of Venus maps. Is Ishtar actually in Venus' south pole? Either way, ASB will solve the problem. XP


 * If Venus has a moon that is about the same size and distance as ours, it would be very likely that Neith would have been discovered much earlier in history. In comparison, a viewer on Mars would see the Earth as a "double star," with the Moon being visible. How would this affect humanity?


 * Potential Neith solution: Early studies placed Neith at about 402458 km from Venus, with an orbit of 11 days. According to Kepler's laws of planetary motion, this can't be (an orbit that far would've had a longer orbit period). A potential solution, make them intersect half-way. An orbit almost 300,00 km, with a period of 18 days. This would also make a larger moon in the Venusian sky. Something to make a trip to Venus even more special.

Governmental hierarchy

 * Collectivity &mdash; a type of pseudo-government which unites several colonies, but holds little to no solidarity other than allowing a solid voice back to Earth. Many describe them as how the were not united, but close in relations. The term commonwealth is also used to describe this type of unity on Venus.

Afghanistan and Pashtunistan

 * Main articles:, 

With the continuation of the USSR, 's government is secured with the continued funding from Moscow. With extra time to work, Najibullah would continue on his moves for reconciliation and reforms. In 1993, after years of living in exile, former king decides to return to Afghanistan. Despite pressure from the west (specifically from the United States), Shah decided to return for the good of the Afghan people. Polls held in Afghanistan found that the vast majority supported Shah having some sort of political position. While he didn't return to reclaim his thrown, he was more than happy to work for his people.

Just as feared by the west, Shah's return began the gradual ceasefire of the Mujaheddin. (leader of the Northern Alliance) ordered his men to stand down, not wanting to fight the same government which had the king working within it. By 1994. peace talks between the Northern Alliance and Kabul began. What came out was that Najibullah would not seek reelection upon the end of his term in office (around 1997). He would also appoint Shah as his Prime Minister, and Massoud as his Defense Minister. This cooperation would pay off in the long run.



Despite the northerners supporting peace, the southern Mujaheddin showed no support. The southern factions (lead by ) were pro-Pakistani and Islamist, with the return of the king meant nothing. Backed by Pakistan's hatred that the Soviet-backed government was remaining in power, Civil War would break out again by late 1994. As was during the 1980s, the secretly back Pakistan and the Pakistani-backed "Islamic Republic of Afghanistan," offering aid and weapons. However, this would change by the late 1990s. With friendlier relations with the USSR, the Clinton administration began to lax their support for Hekmatyar, ending the American hopes of having the Soviets "cling to their helicopters" as did the Americans after the.

In the long run, the war remained in favor of Kabul. Lead by the man who lead to the end of Soviet occupation, with the added irony that it was the Soviets who were now aiding him. By 1998, Hekmatyar began to change the strategy from reclaiming Afghanistan into a Pashtun liberation. In 1999, the "Islamic Republic of Afghanistan" became the. This would greatly affect the war, as the southern Mujaheddin would focus all their men to protecting southern independence.

After years of fighting and attempted peace plans, a ceasefire is agreed upon in 2000. Pashtunistan remained in control of the southernmost provinces of Afghanistan, leading to the international debate that continues to this day.

Within Afghanistan, the road to recovery would take place. Despite being in a state of readiness against a second wave of fighting, Afghanistan has become peaceful. In 1997, the first democratic elections take place. With an almost unanimous victory, become President.

ASSRs

 * Main article:, Template:NU-USSR


 * Birobidzhan &mdash;


 * Chukotka &mdash; and


 * Evenkia &mdash;


 * Gorno-Altai &mdash;


 * Gorno-Badakhshan &mdash;


 * Khakassia &mdash;


 * Königsberg &mdash;


 * Mughan &mdash;


 * Nakhchivan &mdash;


 * Samoyedia &mdash;, , and


 * Volgaland &mdash;


 * Yugra &mdash;

Kaliningrad to Königsberg

 * With no "self rule rights" that were part of OTL Russia's 1993 constitution, the issue of being an exclave would become an active issue in Kaliningrad.
 * Many factions come out for a separated region, most supporting becoming an autonomous republic.
 * As part of the Saint Petersburg Compromise, the region would become the "Autonomous Republic of Königsberg" (also renaming the capital of Kaliningrad to Königsberg).

Template
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Capitals of the SSRs

 * Grozny?


 * : Соьлжа-ГӀала (Sölƶa-Ġala; "City on the ")


 * Солжа-Гала
 * Солжакала/Solzhakala (based on Akhmadkala [Akhmad-Ghala])

GOASIE

 * See also: 

(Gulf of Aden: Soviet, Indian, Eritrean/Ethiopian) is a naval exercise held between the Soviet Union, India, and Eritrea. Other clear members would be South Yemen and maybe Ethiopia (which still operates a flotilla of ships around ).


 * Reasons


 * Soviet-Indian cooperation
 * Securing the continuation of Eritrea's navy.
 * Joint cooperation between Ethiopia and Eritrea. Cooperation from "Ethiopian Flotilla."


 * Notes


 * South Yemen wanted to participate in the first exercise, but opted not to in fear of provoking North Yemen. The DRY would participate in future exercises.

New POD for New Union

 * Main article: New Union

Considering that I know very little about the four men in the initial coup plot, it seems too "hopeful" for me to say that they getting drunk is a solution. I eventually chose this POD because I found it ironic that alcoholism (a major problem in the USSR that Gorbachev was trying to tackle) would lead to the downfall of this coup. Because of this gaping hole, I have decided to go back to my initial idea. Please note that I have been considering whether or not to change the POD for months now.

My initial idea was the notorious accident record of the (which were flying the men to the Crimea). The idea is simple, the plane crashes. No coup, very simple. Kinda... too simple. This is why I thought it sounded stupid before. I forgot all about it until I came across a timeline which is strikingly similar to my own. This made me realise that if someone else thought about it, than why not go back to it. Also (to make me feel better about it), I thought about this idea in 2010 (a year before this timeline came out).

More to come later

Soviet Armed Forces International

 * 
 * 


 * Bases


 * (Algeria)
 * (Libya/Cyrenaica)


 * (South Yemen)
 * (Vietnam)
 * (Eritrea)
 * (Syria)

Эфиопия в «Новый Союз»

 * Main articles:  and 



SNNPR
According to Wikipedia, the (SNNPR) "was formed from the merger of the former Regions 7-11" (i.e., Regions 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11). I just came across this map which seems to show four of the five regions.


 * Kaffa
 * Omo
 * Sidama
 * Welayta

It is likely that the position of the word "southern" is blocking the border between Welayta and this last region (which I believe was called either the "Gurage Region" or the "Hadiya Region.")

List

 * 1) Aari (&gt;570,000)
 * 2) Adal (1,411,092)
 * 3) Amhara (18,185,502)
 * 4) Anuak (&gt;200,000)
 * 5) Benishangul (&gt;300,000)
 * 6) Gumuz (&gt;225,000)
 * 7) Gurage (&gt;1,000,000)
 * 8) Hadiya (&gt;1,000,000)
 * 9) Kaffa (&gt;1,000,000)
 * 10) Konso (&gt;400,000)
 * 11) Nuer (&gt;100,000)
 * 12) Ogaden (5,148,989)
 * 13) Oromia (27,158,471)
 * 14) Sidama (&gt;3,000,000)
 * 15) Surma (&gt;400,000)
 * 16) Tigray (4,334,996)
 * 17) Welayta (&gt;3,000,000)

McIntosh

 * The was established in 1995 (well after the original regions). Since it is lowly populated for a sovereign state, and is populated by Oromos, it will not become a republic of ATL Ethiopia, but (at the most) would be a special region within Oromia.


 * All original 12 regions will become republics. Gurage/Hadiya would be the exception. Being a region divided between two distinct ethnic groups (each highly large in numbers), this region will be divided into two republics.

New Republics of Ethiopia

 * Charter cities


 * (capital)
 * (ethnically divided)

Nations 13 Fallen Stars

 * Main articles: 


 * Europe


 * → Scandinavia
 * Genoa → Italy
 * Galicia??
 * → Germany
 * Hungary
 * Illyria → Italy
 * Lucca → Italy
 * Modena → Italy
 * Milan → Italy
 * Papal States → Italy
 * Parma → Italy
 * Piombino → Italy
 * Poland → Russia/Prussia
 * San Marino → Italy (maybe)
 * Sardinia-Piedmont → Italy
 * Sweden → Scandinavia
 * Switzerland
 * Tuscany → Italy
 * → Italy
 * Venice → Italy
 * Sweden → Scandinavia
 * Switzerland
 * Tuscany → Italy
 * → Italy
 * Venice → Italy
 * Venice → Italy


 * Asia


 * British China?
 * Brunei
 * Bukhara → Russia
 * Burma
 * Ceylon (Sri Lanka)
 * Dutch China?
 * Formosa
 * Hong Kong
 * Korea
 * Kuwait
 * India (British India?)
 * Japan
 * Khiva → Russia
 * Macau
 * Malaya (Western Malaysia)
 * → Russia
 * Philippines → Spanish East Indies
 * Portuguese Timor (East Timor)
 * Siam (Thailand)
 * Spanish East Indies (Guam, etc.)
 * Tibet
 * Trucial States (United Arab Emirates)
 * Philippines → Spanish East Indies
 * Portuguese Timor (East Timor)
 * Siam (Thailand)
 * Spanish East Indies (Guam, etc.)
 * Tibet
 * Trucial States (United Arab Emirates)
 * Tibet
 * Trucial States (United Arab Emirates)


 * North America


 * Flag.png
 * Civil Ensign of the Dominican Republic.svg – Antillean Confederation
 * Flag of the Bahamas.svg – Commonwealth of the Bahamas.
 * Flag.png
 * Flag of the Patriote movement (Lower Canada).svg – United Republic of Canada
 * CSA FLAG 4.3.1861-21.5.1861.svg – Carolinian Confederation
 * Flag of Cascadia.svg – Dominion of Cascadia
 * Flag.png
 * Flag.png
 * Flag.png
 * Flag of Jamaica.svg
 * Louisiana Feb 11 1861.svg – Federative Republic of Louisiana
 * Flag of Maryland.svg – Republic of Maryland
 * Flag.png
 * Flag of New England by Edward O’Connor.svg – Federation of New England
 * Newfoundland Tricolour.svg – Dominion of Newfoundland
 * Flag of New Netherland (13 Fallen Stars).svg – Federal Republic of New Netherland
 * Flag of New Spain.svg
 * Flag of Nova Scotia.svg – Dominion of Nova Scotia
 * Flag of Pennsylvania (13 Fallen Stars).svg – Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
 * Flag.png – Collectivity of Saint Barthélemy
 * Flag of Virginia (13 Fallen Stars).svg – Commonwealth of Virginia
 * Flag of the West Indies Federation.svg


 * South America


 * (Guyana)
 * (Suriname)
 * (Argentina)
 * (Suriname)
 * (Argentina)
 * (Argentina)
 * (Argentina)
 * (Argentina)


 * Pategonia?


 * Africa


 * Algeria
 * Azores → Portugal?
 * British Gold Coast (Ghana)
 * British Somaliland (Somaliland)
 * Canary Islands → Spain?
 * (hooray for the Dutch)
 * Cape Verde
 * Comoros
 * Danish Gold Coast (Ghana?)
 * Dutch Gold Coast (Ghana?)
 * French Guinea (Guinea)
 * French Somaliland (Djibouti)
 * Egypt
 * Ethiopia (with or without Eritrea?)
 * Île Bourbon (Réunion)
 * Ivory Coast
 * Madagascar
 * Madeiras → Portugal?
 * Mascarene Islands (Mauritius?)
 * Mauritania
 * Morocco
 * Natal (do you mean Napal???)
 * Portuguese Guinea (Guinea-Bissau)
 * São Tomé and Príncipe
 * Spanish Guinea (Equatorial Guinea)
 * Spanish West Africa (Western Sahara)
 * St Helena Territory
 * Tunisia
 * Spanish Guinea (Equatorial Guinea)
 * Spanish West Africa (Western Sahara)
 * St Helena Territory
 * Tunisia


 * Australasia and Pacific


 * Fiji
 * Hawai`i (HAWAII [NO APOSTROPHE, PEOPLE!!!!])
 * Hawai`i (HAWAII [NO APOSTROPHE, PEOPLE!!!!])


 * Antarctica


 * British Antarctic Territory
 * Danish Antarctic Territory
 * Dutch Antarctic Territory
 * French Antarctic Territory
 * Portuguese Antarctic Territory


 * Russian Antarctic Territory → Continent of Antarctica!!!

13 Fallen Stars: August 2012
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Vermonters beware!

 * Main articles:, 

I am considering a MAJOR change to the status quo between New England and New Netherland, and his all has to do with Vermont. No, I am not saying that Vermont will become part of NN, but I am reconsidering how Vermont would have operated in a timeline with no stable government between the colonies/states, and the potential for growing tensions between Boston and New York.

In OTL, Vermont was in a good situation. With a successful union, Vermonters would be able to parley their exclusion from New York and become a state. In this ATL, Vermont would be surrounded by "enemies, or rather divided between three nations which would be happy to see Vermont off the map. New York/New Netherland would have the upper hand, since Vermont was specifically given Vermont, and would argue to keep the borders as they were prior to revolution. New Hampshire/New England (on the other hand) would support the separation of Vermont from New York, which is overwhelmingly supported by the Vermonters. To the north is British-controlled Quebec. While Britain would have little interest in Vermont as is, many Vermonters would support the inclusion of Vermont into Quebec. In order, Vermonters would support being part of New England, Quebec, and then New York (if not independent).

Given the anti-New York feeling in Vermont, how could Vermont remain in New York. My current idea would be (as made mention across the multiverse) is the division of Vermont between New York and Vermont/New Hampshire. Most argue that the Green Mountains (which the state is named after) would make the best divide. Or for a watershed equivalent, I believe the watersheds of the Hudson River and Lake Champlain would go to New York, while the watersheds of the Connecticut River and Lake Memphremagog would remain "Vermont."

The pros would be obvious, this would make New York bigger. Aside from the small part in Quebec, New York would rule Lake Champlain. The cons (especially for the New York-half) Vermont as we know it would not exist. Given this, it is likely that the parts of Vermont which go to New York would be divided between the future states of Adirondack and Schenectady. This may be the same for the potential New England-half. Since the remaining portions of Vermont would be quite small and lowly populated (in comparison to west), Vermonters may chose to be completely merged with New Hampshire.

However, the exclusion of "Vermont" from New England may be an interesting start for how the potential states of New England may look like. I came across the very interesting fact that parts of New Hampshire (primarily ) showed interested in separating from New Hampshire (with hopes of becoming their own state, or merging with Vermont). Maybe this "Greater New Hampshire" would be divided into a northern part and a southern part. The southern-half (New Hampshire) would retain the heart of OTL NH, while the northern part would include Grafton County and the historic "." Since the Green Mountains would only mark the border (rather than be in the center), I may be inclined to use the originally proposed name "New Connecticut" for this potential state. This name would also "hold more water," since the Connecticut River would run through it (rather than be on the border).-->

Upcoming changes

 * Divided Vermont between New York and New Hampshire.
 * Norther "New Hampshire" becomes New Englander state of New Connecticut.
 * Carolinian-Virginian border set at ?
 * Virginia gains full control of the south of the  (southern Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio).
 * Area west of the remains British/New Englander?


 * "" to "Yazoo" (Indian Territory/Oklahoma).


 * Northwest Territory notes


 * After the Vermont War, New York cedes its claims to to New England (in exchange for half of Vermont and the elimination of NE-claims to Upstate NY.


 * The Northwest War between Virginia and a NE-UK alliance ends with the NWT being divided at the 41st parallel. Virginia gains the southern portions, while the UK and NE agree to jointly occupy the remaining portions (a la Oregon Country). The Western Reserve remains fully NE.


 * To avoid conflict with Pennsylvania (because of settlers in the Wyoming Valley), NE agrees to sell the Western Reserve to PA.


 * With colonization in the NWT being difficult for NE, Boston offers to sell their claims to the UK in exchange for a favorable border in Maine.


 * The UK will eventually loose control of the NWT when revolution breaks out in Quebec/Canada.

Presidents of New Netherland

 * OTL Presidents


 * (1837-1841) - NY
 * (1850-1853) - NY
 * (1881-1885) - VT
 * (1885-1889, 1893-1897) - NJ
 * (1901-1909) - NY
 * (1913-1921) - VA
 * (1923-1929) - VT
 * (1933-1945) - NY
 * (1953-1961) - TX


 * OTL Vice Presidents


 * (1801-1805) - NY
 * (1805-1812) - NY
 * (1817-1825) - NY
 * "" (1833-1837) - NY
 * "" (1849-1850) - NY
 * (1869-1873) - NY
 * (1877-1881) - NY
 * "" (1881-1881) - VT
 * (1889-1893) - VT
 * (1897-1899) - NJ
 * "" (1901-1901) - NY
 * (1909-1912) - NY
 * (1921-1923) - VT
 * (1974-1977) - ME (family originated from NY)


 * OTL Candidates


 * - NY
 * - NC
 *  - NY
 *  - NJ
 * - VA
 *  - NJ
 * - VT
 * - PA
 * - NY
 * - NH
 * - NY
 * - NY
 *  - NJ
 * - NY
 * - NY
 * - MI
 *  - NY
 *  - NY


 * OTL Secretaries of State


 *  (1789-1790) - NY
 * "" (1829-1831) - NY
 * (1831-1833) - NY(LA)
 * (1861-1869) - NY
 * (1869-1877) - NY
 * (1881-1885) - NJ
 *  (1895-1895) - NY
 *  (1898-1898) - NY
 * (1905-1909) - NY
 * (1915-1920) - NY
 *  (1920-1920) - NY
 * (1921-1925) - NY
 * (1925-1929) - NY
 * (1929-1933) - NY
 * (1953-1959) - DC (maybe NY?)
 *  (1969) - NY
 * (1969-1973) - NY
 * '' (1977) - NY
 * (1982-1989) - NY
 * (2001-2005) - NY

Political Parties of NN

 * Union Party &mdash; (Democratic-Republican equivalent) based on "" and potential . Supported a stronger Federal Assembly, weaker Presidency, and more power to the states. Lead to a constitution which had the "Bill of Rights" within it, and a Federal Assembly based on the . Aside from debating between "New York" and "New Jersey" (both of which ceased to exist upon union) and between factions within (see Bucktails), the party held a monopoly in New Netherland (effectively making NN a single-party state, or a non-partisan state). Other potential names: Unionist, Republican


 *  &mdash; a faction within the party. The faction was against the "" of DeWitt Clinton. Based heavily on the "," the Bucktails would eventually become the basis for a new political party.


 * Liberty Party &mdash; (Democratic Party equivalent) formed from the Bucktails faction of the DRP (lead by Martin Van Buren). Like OTL, the party formed from the spitting of the DRP. The party supported a stronger president, continued states rights. The party was generally pro-immigration, but still dominantly pro-protestant. Equivalent also to the and the.


 * Congressional Party &mdash; (Whig/Republican Party equivalent) formed from the anti-Van Buren faction of the former DRP, this party continued to claim itself as the true Clintonian party (continuing on a stronger legislative branch). The party was also seen as anti-immigration and pro-protestantism. Later in its existence, the party would become imperialist, leading to the rise of the "New Dutch Empire." Other potential names: Republican


 * Progressive Party &mdash; formed in 1912, the Progressive Party was formed by Theodore Roosevelt. Formed from the progressive wing of the "Whig Party," the Progressive Party supported a strong president, greater government control, and continued imperialism. By the 1920s, the party would eventually become the successor to the "Whigs." See.

Elections and List
The of  is elected for a three-year term. No term limits were around until the 1950s. The consensus stood at about two to three terms. The maximum was five terms held by Franklin D. Roosevelt.


 * U = Union Party
 * L = Liberty Party
 * C = Congressional Party
 * P = Progressive Party


 * 1792 &mdash; – (U)
 * 1795
 * 1798
 * 1801
 * 1804
 * 1807
 * 1810
 * 1813 &mdash; DeWitt Clinton
 * 1816
 * 1819
 * 1822
 * 1825
 * 1828
 * 1831
 * 1834
 * 1837 &mdash; Martin Van Buren
 * 1840
 * 1843
 * 1846
 * 1849
 * 1852
 * 1855
 * 1858
 * 1861
 * 1864
 * 1867 &mdash; Horatio Seymour
 * 1870
 * 1873
 * 1876 &mdash; Samuel J. Tilden
 * 1879
 * 1882
 * 1885 &mdash; Grover Cleavland
 * 1888
 * 1891
 * 1894
 * 1897
 * 1900
 * 1903 &mdash; Alton B. Parker
 * 1906
 * 1909
 * 1912 &mdash; Theodore Roosevelt
 * 1915 &mdash; Charles Evans Hughes
 * 1918
 * 1921
 * 1924
 * 1927 &mdash; Al Smith
 * 1930
 * 1933 &mdash; Franklin D. Roosevelt
 * 1936
 * 1939
 * 1942
 * 1945
 * 1948
 * 1951
 * 1954
 * 1957
 * 1960
 * 1963
 * 1966
 * 1969
 * 1972
 * 1975
 * 1978
 * 1981
 * 1984
 * 1987
 * 1990
 * 1993
 * 1996
 * 1999
 * 2002
 * 2005
 * 2008 &mdash; Rudy Giuliani
 * 2011
 * 2014