Talk:South American Rising (Map Game)

Uruguay and Brazil
actually uruguay was split in its support during the war, one of the major parties supported the argentineans,  and the war was a bit more compicated then that it was goin to end when it did even without the batalla de caseros many of the argentinean populace were tired of the rosas dictatorship, but brazil had been left as the dominant latin america even in OTL what divereged her from her path to glory was the military coup that established a "republic" it put the path it had been heading on by throwing it into the same mentality of the rest of south america.

Nkbeeching (talk) 16:26, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

wow. i never knew that. thanks i will change it. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 16:46, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

no prob happy to help. Nkbeeching (talk) 17:22, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

Russo-Japanese Summit (Secret)
Russian delegation: In strict confidence, the Foreign Minister reveals to the Japanese that Russian intentions were not merely to resolve the dispute, but to secure a defensive pact with the Japanese now in the face of the new Sino-German alliance. The Tsar offers to meet all Japanese requests in regard to the Manchurian dispute if they accept our alliance proposal. Also, it is strongly suggested that Japan mobilize against China NOW, while the Chinese remain unindustrialized and weakened by foreign influence. Russia promises to keep Germany and the other European powers out of such a war, and provide full military backing if necessary, tough it sould be an easy victory for the much more advanced Japanese Army. Finally, Japan is warned that if it chooses inaction, it loses the initiative and runs the risk of losing its status as a world power.

Thank you for your concern. Demands are that the Lower half of Manchuria be under Japanese control while the upper half be under Russian control. Full access will be granted and protected in the pacific. Materials such as wood, coal, and metals are needed to produce weapons and expand the navy. The imperial German navy must also be dealt with so have your navy ready to deploy. Temporary FOB will be granted with Japanese oversight on Okinawa. With our recent drills already put to the point to allow our annexation of Korea. We will change doctrine and begin combat fully by the next turn

Once we finish work on the Trans-Siberian Railroad, we can send you plenty of raw materials.

Agreed. Edit your turn to reflect the summit and Japanese and Russian troops returning to respective areas of Manchuria

Sino-Japanese Summit (Secret)
Chinese Delegation: China has long been a great friend with Japan, however, recent Japanese appearances in Korea, Taiwan and Manchuria is threatening this long-lasting friendship. Hence, China wishes to ask Japan to withdraw their forces near Chinese cities, unless drilling with Chinese ships. Also, to recompensate for the Japanese losses for their military practise, China will be willing to allow joint Sino-Japanese drills in Mongolia, for desert climate, Yunnan, for rainforests, Huabei, for forests, the Yellow Sea for amphibous traing and Taiwan for coastal wars. However, it comes with a small price -- signing an alliance and trade agreement with China. By doing so, Japan could not only dramatically increase their military capabilities with China, but also gain much wealth from trade.

China also denounces Japan's meetings with Russia. Russia has posed a threat to us Asians as early 1652 where their imperialistic agression forced them to invade and take rightful Chinese land. Moreover, Russia is more of many countries whose profits completely overlap with ours. Such countries are common: England, who wish to have a monopoly of trade using Hong Kong, France who will overrun South Asia with its holdings in Indochina, Spain, who controls the Phillipines and will be eager to expand its sphere of influence and finally, Russia, who is eager to overrun Northern Asia and has already shown its imperialistic ambition in the Treaty of Aigun. Hence, China strongly advices Japan to not be too intimate with Russia, but should continue its friendship with China, a long-been

China has become quite backward in recent years and seems to have forgotten its place. Since we have modernized our nation almost 40 years earlier it is obvious you are at the disadvantage. You are 20 years at least behind us and require much more time to modernize the entire country. Your military is also very much behind our own. Your navy may have recent additions but Japan is an obvious leader here with dreadnaughts and battleships as well as frigates, cruisers, and destroyers. Also our history with china is not much better than Russia. While Russia and Japan have had disputes China has historically tried to invade us. Recent trade cooperation is nothing more than that. With your nations previous history of trying to invade Japan your not seen as the benevolent ally your making yourself out to be. Demands: China will cease all control of Korea and allow its annexation into the Japanese empire. The Russia Japanese summit will be respected, but Taiwan will remain a Chinese possession. Manchuria is to be made independent. Counter proposals will be considered

China agrees with the Japanese points, but countered that the only time China attempted in invading Japan was when Yuan dynasty was in power, but the Mongol race can not represent the entire Chinese. Agrees with the Japanese terms, but disagrees with turning Manchuria into a independent nation, since Manchuria has been the ancestry of the Qing empire.

Location
Location is how close the nation is to the place of the conflict. Goes by nearest border or possession
 * At the war: +10
 * Next to the war: +8
 * Close to the war: +4
 * Far from the war: -8
 * Halfway around the world (separated by ocean): -10

Tactical Advantage

 * Attacker’s advantage: +2
 * Defender’s advantage: +5
 * Surprise attack: Attackers +6
 * Home is island: Defenders +4
 * Home is desert: Defenders +6
 * Home is jungle/tropical: Defenders +8
 * Home is tundra/arctic: Defenders +10
 * Amphibious landing: Defenders +8 (yes, this means invaded islands will receive a +14 bonus)

Amount of Military Forces Within 150 Miles

 * divide number of troops by 1,000 to reach the amount of points you get
 * 1)  of Troops/1,000 = score

Strength

 * Every nation militarily helping with belligerents/defenders: +5
 * Every nation nonmilitarily helping with belligerents/defenders: +4
 * Every vassal militarily helping with belligerents/defenderes: +3
 * Every vassal nonmilitarily helping with belligerents/defenders: +2
 * Every nation militarily occupied by nation: -2
 * Side with greater population: +1 per hundred thousand
 * Side with greater industry: +5
 * Has a fleshed out nation profie: +3

Technology

 * Modern Technology: +10
 * Late 1900s Technology: +7
 * Early 1900s Technology: +4

Motive

 * Fighting for Independance: +15
 * Life or death (country’s sovereign existence is threatened): 10 (Does not mean there attacking your heartland or taking a valuable city)
 * Religious: 7
 * Social/moral: 6
 * Political: 5
 * Economical: 3

"Special" Status
In many points in history, a revolution (Hitler, Napoleon) has led to massive military successes at first. However, such revolutions have also led to massive failures (Mussolini, the South in Amer. Civil War). If a revolution has taken place in your nation in the past 7 years into an autocratic dictatorship, you are eligible for a bonus in military. If all of the above, +10 for that algorithm only
 * If revolution to autocratic dictatorship in past 7 years.
 * If you get 6 or more in chance. However, if your dictatorship has been historically successful (Hitler, Napoleon, etc) then you get it anyways.

Nuclear weapons

 * Strategic nuclear weapon use on capital city: +10 for belligerent, -10 for defendant (of nuke). +2 per additional nuke for belligerent, -2 per additional nuke for defendant.
 * Strategic nuclear weapon use on major city: +7 for belligerent, -10 for defendant (of nuke). +1.5 per additional nuke for belligerent, -1.5 per additional nuke for defendant.
 * Strategic nuclear weapon use on minor city: +5 for belligerent, -10 for defendant (of nuke). +1 per additional nuke for belligerent, -1 per additional nuke for defendant.
 * Tactical nuclear weapon use: +5 for first tactical nuke, +.5 per additional nuke.
 * Nuclear weapon use for belligerent: -5 morale this turn and next turn.
 * Nuclear weapon use for defendant: -2.5 morale this turn only.

Economic situation

 * Good economy: +5
 * Average economy: +1
 * Bad economy: -5

Chance
Chance : Randomly Generate a number online between 1-12

Result
The winner will win depending on how much he/she wins by.

5 points more than loser: no more than 10 percent of country

10 points more than loser: no more than 25% of country

15 or more points than loser: no more than 40% of country

20 or more points than loser: no more than 50% of country

25 or more points than loser: Can demand uncinditional surrender.

UK
Location: +4

Tactical Advantage: +2

Motive: +5

Strength: UK (+5), Greater Popultion and Industry +10 = +15

Current Army In South Africa: 25,000/1,000= +25

Economy: +5 (Global Empire)

Chance: +1

Total: +58

Boer states
Location: +10

Tactical Advantage: +5

Motive: +10

Strength: Transvall (+5), Oarnge Free State (+5) =+10

Boer Armed Forces: 15,000/1,000= +15

Economy: +3

Chance: +4

Total: +57

Result: British make some mnor gains, but then forced back by Boer forces

China
Location: 8 (Next to the War)

Tactical Advantage: 13 (Amphibous Landing, Def Advantage)

Strength: 5 (I only added 5 soldiers, although the Chinese population out number Japanese by 300 million)

Technology: 0 (Chinese technology is around late 1800s

Motive: 6

Economic Situation: 1 (Extensive trade with many nations, but high debt.)

Chance: 9

Japan
Location: 4 (Close to the war)

Tactical Advantage: 8 (Att Adv, Surprise)

Strength: 5

Tech: 4 (Early 1900s)

Chance: 12

Motive: 4

Result

This will be considered the next war we are both in as Japan and China have come to terms. Korea remains in Japanese hands and war with China has ceased.

Austria-Hungary
Location: +10

Tactical Advantage: +2

Amount of Troops:  45,000/1,000= +45

Strength: Austria-Hungary (+5) =+5

Motive: +5

Economy: -1

Chance: +3

Total: 17+45+7= +69

Bosnia-Croatian Rebels
Location: +10

Tactical Advantage: +5

Amount of Troops: 34,000 troops 34,000/1,000= +34

Strength: +5 (Bosnia), +5 (Croaita) +4 (Serbia) = +14

Motive: +15

Economy: +3

Chance: +9

Total: 49+14+15+3+9=49+29+10=49+39= +90

Outcome
Devestating Croatian and Bosnian victory over Austrian forces, with over 20 points over Austria Bosnia-Croatia may demand up to 50% of Austria-Hungary. The war will last two turns, and end with a Secessionist victory over Austria with Bosnia and Croatia each becoming independant and annexing a large amount of Austrian territory, although no where near 50%.

UK
Location: +4

Tactical Advantage: +2

Motive: +5

Strength: UK (+5), Greater Popultion and Industry +10 = +15

Current Army In South Africa: 100,000/1,000= +100

Economy: +5 (Global Empire)

Chance: +1

Total: +133

Boer states
Location: +10

Tactical Advantage: +5

Motive: +10

Strength: Transvall (+5), Oarnge Free State (+5) =+10

Boer Armed Forces: 15,000/1,000= +15

Economy: +3

Chance: +4

Total: +57

Result: British completley wipe out the Boer States, but stiff resistance will remain for some time

Japanese invasion of the Phillipines
Japan: 

Close to War +4

Attacker Advantage +2

Surprise Attack +6

Strength: +12 (i didnt feel like counting my entire population.... so i stopped at 1.2 million.)

Military Forces being used: 40

+4 Early 1900's tech (obviously)

Motive: Social/Moral +6

Good economy: +5 (colonies and solid trade with many major powers)

Chance: +2

Total: 81

Phillipines:

At the War: +10

Island: +14

Military forces: +2 (lol)

Early 1900's tech: +4

Motive: +10 (life or death)

Bad Economy: -5

Chance: +4

Total: 39

'''Result is the Capture of the Phillipines by the Japanese and the complete destruction of the Radicals. Remainder of people are quite passive.'''

Creation of the SDC
Japan: for the greater good of Asia and for the health of both Empire Japan accepts mutual Defence agreement but wishes to Extend these into a broader coalition allowing for the Industrial Japan to help Provide equipment and Consumer goods to China through trade and for Reasources to be exploited for this very Reason. Japan is willing to provide much of its new military Technology in order to facilitate the creation of the SDC. we are willing to Negotiate

China: Agrees and asks for Japan to stop European Influence in Asia.

China (secret):