User talk:Scrawland Scribblescratch/Archive 4

Triple Entente vs. Central Powers
Hey, I want to join, but there very few countries to choose from. Are there any countries that have gone inactive that I could fill in for or do I have to choose from the list? CourageousLife 20:51, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

I guess I'll take canada. Now do I have to ask anybody or can I just delete this person's signature and replace it with my own? CourageousLife 21:22, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Just wondering what is different about Canada since it's part of the British Empire. Do I not have full autonomy? CourageousLife 21:32, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

When will newfoundland ever be able to revolt or be released from Britain. Sasafred12 22:13, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I was just wondering:( Sasafred12 22:16, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Battle for Earth(Reloaded)
Also, this galactic map will take forever. I mean some of these people are never online Sasafred12 22:20, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

So hows it been going Scraw Sasafred12 22:33, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Re:TEvsCP
I think we should ban him the game. We've given him several warnings, brought him up on the talk page, crossed out so much of his turns, argued with him non-stop, and he says he'd change (I think...) but it's been the same thing over and over again. Frankly, I think he might cause the collapse of this game. But we might have to put a vote for the whole game crew to decide (or just the other mods, whatever.) ChrisL123 22:36, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, Scraw, Do you know why they didn't call The Napoleonic wars a world war. Sasafred12 05:45, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I always kind of joked that the world wars were not world wars because not all countries went to war :D

VLR
'''I hate to ask again but i need you to post in VLR! It's already 1825!AP 16:05, July 1, 2012 (UTC)'''

Youtube
Should be fine. Lordganon 21:53, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Bulgarian. Roughly means "Unwashed Masses." Lordganon 22:11, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Greater Americas Reloaded
Are you still interested in reloading the game or do you just want to drop it? CourageousLife 02:33, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Unknown Landmass
What type of mod? :) Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 03:58, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Then here's some work for you: update the map ;D Doctor261 ''' (Talk to me!) 04:28, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

PM
Hello.

As you may know, Finland is suffering some Swedish rebellion. Now recently I attempted to make a vassal out of some of the land.

But if the rebellions still continues by mod event this year (1948), I will give you some more of Swedish land. However, I would still want to retrain a slice of Sweden (especially Stockholm) as per my revenge. Here's the map:

Is that okay with you?

Oh and if Sweden manages to break away by a mod event this year, be warned about the Sovereignty Defence League; they do their best to defend most industrialised well nations; and it will be like the Norway issue. I'm just trying to prevent a new Sweden from being formed again. -Kogasa 04:22, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Micronationalism exists in this game and in real life, if you want ASB giant empires lasting until the modern day, go to an ASB map game. It was stated numerous times on the talk page for months prior to the current break-ups that such a thing would occur. Italy isn't breaking up because it is rather homogenous, every region is dominated by ethnic Italians who are Christian and speak Italian. All Italian colonies have declared their independence already, I have nothing to break away from them. So you can stop spreading lies that I am some biased moderator who wants to break up every nation but my own. LurkerLordB (Talk) 04:44, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Well, making the Suwēden into a Finnish Vassal State helped. Though I won't trust them to last long.

Anyway, if they break away (or if I find out that Republic of Suwēden became independent, when I specifically stated that they are a Finnish Vassal State), I will have all my former colonies will help, and I'll try to get Bhārat and Nippon, and all their vassals, puppets and former colonies to help (except for Republic of Wonderlaand, as they are automatically against us).

And, Finland would be interested in an alliance. -Kogasa 04:57, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

And not every micronationalist movement is going to succeed in this game. Only large minorities with significant differences. But some will.

On the subject of your nation, Sweden and Denmark aren't going to break apart because they are practically the same culture now. In fact, Norway only broke away because the Swedish Empire that Denmark had just seized control of was collapsing, not because of significant cultural differences. LurkerLordB (Talk) 05:06, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Do you want to play my Tribal Sunset (Map Game) Sasafred12 05:59, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

The End of Unknown Landmass
Look at how many people posted their turns in 6500 BC. Now look how many did in 6400 BC, and look how many did in 6300 BC. Sorry. It's useless. Doctor261 ''' (Talk to me!) 17:01, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

I'll give it a week and see if it goes well. And yeah, feel free to fix up the template. I was never good at it. I mean, look at my Wasteland template xD Isn't it awesome? XDDDDDDD Doctor261 ''' (Talk to me!) 17:10, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

I give up. I have decided that I will give you all the land that I made to form the Republic of Sweden, to you. Even Stockholm.

It's becoming difficult to handle no matter how hard I try.

Also, if something happens to you, don't worry, I will have Finland and Finland's former colonies and Finnish vassals back Denmark up, and is ready to support you on your side. :] -Kogasa 17:52, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Also, Wales proposes that a Peaceful Sweden to be established. Though I'm not too sure how it's going to work. What do you think? -Kogasa 18:08, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

I declined Bharat's offer. Also, Finland and Russia are on good terms, and I don't want to break it ever again. I'm just going to have Finland do whatever they can to maintain peace and stability instead. -Kogasa 19:05, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

new Axis Vs allies
interested in starting up a new axis vs allies? this reloaded is about to finish and it was a good run albiet a bit to far in the final years without the major powers playing.

scraw, please just take Texas and Oregon, I cant give up that much land. -Dean DeanSims (User talk:DeanSims) 00:40, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

its so fing unfair, you knwo what Aztlan surredners and doe swhatever America fucking wants. Aztaln dissolves it self and asks for its reannexation by Spain. -Dean DeanSims (User talk:DeanSims) 00:47, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

when PM II comes around I suggest an alliance between Bavaria and Brandenvurg. Both our nations are German and we are geographicly close to one another, not to mention cultrually. It will help the both of us gain strength and influence over the German StatesAndr3w777 04:06, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

No offense taken. I would like to see the map. Also will member states allowed to conduct its own affairs like treaties, war, internal politics or will all that have to go through the HRE Council?Andr3w777 04:43, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

okay, can you elaborate on what territories each land is supposed to get? The map shows the final German Union, but how would each state be taken down?Andr3w777 04:51, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

You may want to watch out as now Wonderlaand is going after Denmark now. They are now even funding Swedish independence organisations and are focusing on the Swedish separatist political parties. -Kogasa 23:53, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Lithuania PM2
Would you like to make an alliance in PM2 when it opens? I'll be playing as Poland and Lithuania. Making an alliance will make the encirclement of Teutonic Knights easier. Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 05:17, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Question.
'''Hey Scraw. How do you make that cool introductory column you have on your profile? I tried to make one ,but failed. I noticed that my profile is erm below-par haha i haven't edited it since i joined ha. Anyways, let me know.AP (talk) 16:52, July 4, 2012 (UTC)'''

Hello. You haven't posted in Avaro for a while, and I noticed you were the player for New Zealand. I am the Australian player, and I have been expanding into the Pacific islands, taking Fiji, Tonga, Vanuatu, New Caledonia, the Solomons etc. I want a union with New Zealand...so if you aren't planning on returning to the game... And don't mind the union...could you just leave a note on the game page saying you are okay with it? Thanks, Callumthered (talk) 11:59, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

Unknown Landmass
We need you back at UL. Everyone is waiting for your turn to update the map of your nation.  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 18:47, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

Can you also play in Greater Europe? This might get more interesting as the time goes. We just need more players.  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 19:01, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

i would be willing to join if you want, if so message my talkpage Axyljohnson 20:38 July 5 UTC

Avaro Australasia
Sure, go for it. I'll just do this turn though, to get things rolling. Thanks again. Callumthered (talk) 22:50, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Question
and how do you do thhat? Can you show me please?

what do you mean, what happened?Andr3w777 (talk) 02:49, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

why does my page say file with broken links? what happened?Andr3w777 (talk) 02:52, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

I did what you said and it came out all weird and incomplete.AP (talk) 04:35, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

'''Thanks that would make things easier and thanks for taking the time to do that. The only thing is that i gotta head out(its like 7 am here). Can we do it tomorrow? For you anyway it'll be super late here haha. Thanks again, let me know.AP (talk) 04:48, July 7, 2012 (UTC)'''

SOCr
Thanks for telling me- might not have noticed.

You could have done it yourself, though. Only mods can play the USSR, so that is against the rules.

By the way, we need someone to play USSR.

Guns (talk) 18:14, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

dont care. I care nothing for your opinion (User talk:DeanSims) 19:40, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

and niether can you. Whas the deal about a swearword, everyone swears at least once a day. I mean, what the heck deos it amtter, i didnt call you anything. I said, and im not saying this to you in anyway, im only quoting "Aztaln does whatever you f*&^%%^% wants" I didnt say you were anything f'ing, but then i get in trouble. its stupid. I care nothing for your opinion (User talk:DeanSims) 19:52, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

007 in PM
how about successful Cornish actor Sean Penn as Ian Fleming in the 007 Series?Andr3w777 (talk) 20:55, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

for some reason the wiki won't let me post pictures anymore. I have tried two different browsers and nothing is working. Can you add some 007 logos to my newly created 007 page?

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Ian_Fleming_as_007_series_%28Principia_Moderni%29

Andr3w777 (talk) 21:04, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

I needed to give a colony independence so I choose Wonderlaand. They're pro-Sweden, so they're trying to free Sweden from Danish rule. I said that, because all these films being released show Sweden as evil and wanting to take over the world, when in a matter of fact they saved the world from Mesheryakovist domination. As for Asia vs Europe, I don't really see that being much of a war, more of a battle for supremacy better fought via inventions and businesses. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 11:31, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

because otherwise I'd do nothing else with it. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 16:41, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

The column thing
Ok, i've sorted all the stuff out.

name: AP

Hometown: San Diego, California

Nationality: French(born there, raised in Cali)

Ethnicity: 50% Peruvian 50% French

Political views: Democrat

Interests: Traveling, reading, writing, going to school(haha sarcasm), law, US government, history(real and alt), Jiu jitsu, karate

AltHistory likes+historical knowledge: European history, south american independence onward, Imperialism Era, etc

Random Fact: I'm excellent with geography/history, i pride myself in it. And that's why i chair my school's academic team in the "History and Geography" section. Going into my junior year, we are one of the top scoring teams in the county.

Languages:

English(fluent)

French(fluent)

Spanish(fluent)

Brazilian Portuguese(fluent)

Italian(intermediate/still learning)

German(very,very basic)

I hope to learn Russian soon:D. I learned Spanish from my mom and French from my dad. English i learned here in the US. Portuguese i learned from my aunt(by marriage) and her family whom are from Brazil. Italian i'm learning in school and German well i'm taking an online course and its getting there... Someday.

Thanks Scraw, take your time with this one, no rush.AP (talk) 01:11, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

imperialism (map game)
come on scraw lets revive the game its kinda collapsing we need to revitalize it.

Wunderlaand
If they are really pouring billions into propaganda, their government'll fall on its own, lol. I'll hit them with a moderator event next turn about how the constant propaganda is causing economic and social problems in their nation, and if they continue there will be a revolution in their nation. LurkerLordB (Talk) 18:09, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Deleted Map Games
We changed the rule to 15 turns a while ago, I thought I updated it. In any case, States of America 5 only had 12 turns, no where near "well past 15" LurkerLordB (Talk) 18:25, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Wonderlaand is becoming a real problem, that will need to be dealt with soon. I will contact Russia with the computer proposal. This is just a randm question. Is it possible to create a sort of "superstate" between Wales, Finland, Denmark and Russia. Not like how the USA is doing with Musica, but more of an Economic and Military alliance. Each nation is its own, but are a member of the Alliance(i guess sort of EU/Warsaw Pact kind of thing maybe.) I don't plan on offically announcing such a thing. I just wanted to know about its viability. The infrastructure, miltary, and technology of Wales, Denmark and Russia provide the basis for a solid "Triple Alliance/Entente" that could be used as a safegaurd against attacks from other nations or a spring board for late game aquisitions. Once again just a loose thought I was having. Cheers Andr3w777 (talk) 21:46, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

its an interesting idea. How is the family going to be destroyed? Is it sort of like Wales heir issue where the entire family was killed during the Civil War? Also can you present this idea to Russia- See what he thinks. A nation of this size could begin a massive annexation of Europe and could compete with The Federation of the Americas Superblock and the Asian Council nations.Andr3w777 (talk) 22:21, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Zeig Hiel!! This could work i suppose. With Welsh industrial might, colonies and technological advancements. Denmark's past with great strides in weaponization, and Russia- The largest nation on Earth. Yes it could be done. Bit We must somehow get Russia on board otherwise it won't work. How will we convince him?(Also since i started playing 1910 ish- what made Wales backwater. I know next to nothing about the Pre 1900's era of Wales. From what i gathered from Lurk, I have made quite the turn around as a nation.)Andr3w777 (talk) 22:32, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Afraid I only have one now- I reoraganize Nouvell-Champagne and Nouvell-Patagonie into one larger colony called New Wales. I had planed on having them join Wales proper as a client state. I noticed France hasn't been on in awhile and they have already lost Castile-its in chaos and may soon lose Flanders. Perhaps we could sieze these nations somehow, then I can give you some land.Andr3w777 (talk) 22:44, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Yes I suppose I can give you the former Nouvelle-Champagne. You know its interesting about King Haarkon is he is now married to the Queen of all Wales. This means all three nations would not only be in dynastic Union, nobody could say our organization is impossible. The mods can't hit us too hard with royalty on all sides of the Union.Andr3w777 (talk) 23:19, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Heard anything yet? Also It has come to my attention that we may not be able to make a super country per se but we could develop the EU on steriods. Also how do you do the table list thing on the profile page, mine is cluttered and disorganised. Also how do you ass the "talk to me option next to my signature?Andr3w777 (talk) 02:24, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

This is what I told Lx "All of our nations have members that are in line for each others throne. Haarkon is stilll Russian Royalty as much as he is Danish or Welsh. He is leary of joining the Russian Commonwealth in part because of the name, Russian, it would make both our nations look like Russian Vassals versus free nations entering into a legalistic Union. The Commonwealth is more or less the same as what we're proposing, just with a different(and still Russian) ruler, and a different name for it. Each nation isn't loing anything it hasn't already gained. We just become an EU style confederation with the same Royal families. Thing of the OTL Holy Roman Empire. It was a bunch of different nations whom had the same ruler. All nations were still automonous, they just had the same ruler. That is what we are proposing, a joint nation that shall be the envy of the world. All of our nations have unique talents that are massive when combined. If our nations all merge for the lack of a better word. Then we will have Europe eating out of our palm and can compete against the massive Veitnamese and Nipponese Empires. This is the only way Europe will remain the seat of Global power." hopefully that will help.Andr3w777 (talk) 18:18, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Russia(PM)
the one problem wiht your plan is that by romanov law, the Emperor must be Russian Orthodox to be eligible for the throne(although this does not exclude them from the line of succesion, they just need to become orthodox or forfeit their position to the throne, so it goes to the next in line)-Lx (leave me a message) 20:17, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

War! Mwuahahahaha! Best of luck ;) VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:09, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

I have a lot of countries and I'm trying to do different things with each ones. The rest of my countries will condemn these actions, but will probably be against just wiping the islands out as not everyone in Wonderlaand is guilty.

General Neilssen leads only a small extremist party in Wonderlaand so what they did isn't what most of the country believes in, Neilssen's plan was to provoke Denmark into attacking to make the rest of Wonderlaand fight against Denmark too. Wonderlaand is anti-Danish but not to the extent of the ultra-nationalists like Neilssen. I'm currently trying to decide whether Wonderlaand will fight back or condemn the actions of the ultra-nationalist.

Also the attack was done by undercover agents who sneaked in, besides anyway you've already reacted to the attack so its been confirmed as happening. Are you saying nearly all the Dane's have died in this attack btw? If millions have died and the country has been practically wiped out, then I guess the rest of Wonderlaand would surrender and condemn Neilssen. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:39, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Wonderlaand is in the South Pacific spread across Fiji and Vanantu and the other lightly coloured pink islands near by it. So I doubt you'll be able to hit it with your ICBMs from Europe.

Anyway do an algorithm if you're starting a war, depending on the result of the algorithm, we can decide how to carry this out. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:44, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

What the heck just happened? Wales is now at war and hundreds of Welsh citizens have died. The Princess is dead now! We have mobilised all of our forces and have ICBM's targeting Wonderlaand. What will this do to our Pan Europa Plan?Andr3w777 (talk) 22:57, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

If it helps. The Welsh General Assembly has authorized extreme(nuclear) force. We will nuke them. They have destroyed an ally, wounded two Royal Families, and killed half of Gerth Ceyern. 'THEY WILL PAY. I WILL RAIN DESTRUCTION FROM THE HEAVENS!!!!!!!!!!Andr3w777 (talk) 23:37, July 10, 2012 (UTC)'

I posted for Wonderlaand now at the end of 1957 turn (I wanted to see how the algorithm worked out and how others reacted to it before posting Wonderlaand's "rebuttal".) Have a look at it, and tell me what you think. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 23:51, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

BFE reloaded
Is it dead, or are you still working on it? The Royal Guns (talk) 06:14, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

I still kinda wanna play, but...CourageousLife (talk) 00:50, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

No, he's working on the map. At least he said so on my talkpage.

The Royal Guns (talk) 05:30, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

re:Star Wars
We can make Star Wars together and you can be first in space, but I want to be the first on the moon. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 00:49, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

I was wondering if Wales could buy a portion of Greenland to create a small provisional government and to harbour our N Atlantic Fleet in America. We are willing to pay a resonable sum for such a deal.Andr3w777 (talk) 06:49, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Yes me and Lx agreed in 1960 to unify our space programs. In Spread of Communism I just thought i'd let you know that I'm gonna be a bad guy. Proletarier aller Länder, vereinigt Euch! Andr3w777 (talk) 05:06, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Are you still playing on Spread of Communism, they are thiking of replacing you if your not. if your not playing, could I take over for you?Andr3w777 (talk) 18:43, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Any idea for the name of our currency? I am partial to the name Europa Pound. We also need to see what the next step in unification will be, any ideas?Andr3w777 (talk) 04:26, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

I use the Pound SterlingAndr3w777 (talk) 05:02, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

'Cuse Me
Its bad manners to eavesdrop. And Bharat alone commands 24 points on the algorithym. Add Japan and other allies into the equation, I am sure fighting you will be a breeze. :P Imperium Guy 19:16, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Alone on an algorithym, I can muster anything around 105 to 120 (with my stability being in the 50s). So think twice before siding with Russia. You could stay neutral and nothing will happen but be warned otherwise. :P 86.145.161.29 22:51, July 15, 2012 (UTC) Imperium Guy 17:37, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Have you devised a name for our currency. Russia uses the Ruble, you the Mark and Wales the Pound Sterling.Andr3w777 (talk) 01:45, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Are you planning with Nippon and Bharat a war with Russia, cause by the posts I am wondering what am I not being told...Andr3w777 (talk) 01:54, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

I like Euro Mark, it is simple and shows our deep conection with Europe. What is all this junk with Nippon and Bharat on Russia? I am lostAndr3w777 (talk) 01:59, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

I was probing them. It is what you were doing right? I am a member of the Russian Commonwealth I will side with Russia, I don't like it, I want peace not war right now, that is why I posted the nuetrality thing. I wanted to see how they would repsond. They seemed to be hell bent on courting both me and you, and since I couldn't determine where you'd side by the comments I decided I'd see what they have to say. Nothing More. Me, you and Russia has worked hard to achieve this Union thing. We won't screw it up now. If you read my post I did say we have ALOT of nukes. It would be suicideAndr3w777 (talk) 02:36, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

So where did the Yoda story come from. You should name the new King Yoda LOL! I have written in a new currency for us I am sure that Lx won't mind Euro Mark. Sorry for the confusion earlier I will not betray an ally. After the currency what would be a good next step as to make it pluasbale?(Forgive my spelling, no spell check on my browser and I am not real good with words, Sorry)Andr3w777 (talk) 03:09, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Wales says "These are not the droids you are looking for...."Andr3w777 (talk) 03:24, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

I am pleased to have aided in this adventure. A PM Star Wars would be great. Also Star Wars began in the 70's, we are not that far awayAndr3w777 (talk) 03:37, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I will not interfere with your propoganda. BTW, I am only doing this war so we have a WWII analogue because otherwise it would be boring. Did you know that Andrew did post on my (and Von's I think) that he could be swayed, you should see my talkpage. Imperium Guy 18:10, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Ok! :D Imperium Guy 18:15, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

UL
Yeah, we're planning to make a TL, but not yet :P Got to finish the game itself first. Somehow. And yeah, that's unfortunately me in the profile pic. :D  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 03:48, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Who said I'm from Lithuania? You know nothing about me! Mhahahhahaha!  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 04:01, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Do you play Mount & Blade games?  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 05:45, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

I think you will be suprised to see what East Germany is doing in Spread of Comm. We have created an Economic Freedom Zone like OTL Hong Kong and have announced the end to boycotting the UN. We believe it is necessary to adapt in order to survive. Our overlords aren't thrilled but have given us latitude to do this.Andr3w777 (talk) 19:09, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Supranational Confederation
Ok We need to see about the next step toward our nations' intergration. What would be the next logical step, We have a military alliance, a single space agency, and a single currency. What would be the next step?Andr3w777 (talk) 21:38, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

I have a name it will be at least for Wales THE PAN EUROPA CONFEDERATION

The Seven Years War
THE MAP GAME HAS BEGUN! --RandomWriterGuy (talk) 00:44, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Very well I will hold it off. Are you certain we can beat them? They came to me with an offer that I rufused on the grounds that it would require me to betray my allies.Andr3w777 (talk) 18:14, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Yes Mapmaker forgot to add it to the map it is the inner part of New Wales.i.e New Wales is on the coast, Nouvelle Champagne is inland.Andr3w777 (talk) 18:26, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

If Vietnam joins the war.... We have a larger border with Britain which is under Vietnamese control. We may end up invaded. We have heavy defensive barriers put into place beacuse of our paronioa early on. But I fear it may not be enough. We are pulling our fleet form the Pacific and stationing it near Wales.Andr3w777 (talk) 18:39, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Yes!
I will defend Europe! Stewdio333 (talk) 22:37, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Awesome Idea!
You're one of the few people I'm sharing this with, but I just hit a crazy idea, which I don't know if it's allowed on this Wiki, but when you get back...

An Alternate History with Star Wars-technology!

If we can have a Map Game with space exploration, why can't we have one with really high-tech weapon technology (we'll hand-wave it with some form of energy being discovered in the past.)

Ideas to go with it. So what do you think?
 * It could start during World War I, Interwar, World War II or Cold War. Or we could go earlier, like the Industrial Revolution, the Seven Years War, or the American War of Independence. It can be decided later on.
 * Blasters would pretty much replace guns, or whatever was used during the setting.
 * Space exploration is a possibility, but it may be limited, to focus on having wars focused on Earth (though maybe later, wars can go into space)
 * And of course, Jedis and Sith (or maybe a variation on them), should represent probaby the power of 20 soldiers on average. (Still working on this part.)

Maybe you should read all of my replies to AP before you start taking. I admitted I was an African wank on his talk page, and I never said Liberia would conquer Russia or Britain, but that since no one knows the future, who know what could happen. And the fight ended some tim ago, and didn't involve you. So I kindly request you not interject in a debate that ended an hour ago. You made your point a month ago, and I got it the first time. You don't need to make it a second time. An Ethiopia ain't weak. Corrupt yes. Poor maybe. Weak absolutely not. --"Truth fears no questions..." 18:08, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

One game it is. All games it is not. I do admit to trying to reverse an African nations fortunes, usually using the most likely to succede, Ethiopia. I did go overboard with Liberia. But Ethiopia did have naval capabilities, having had a colony in Yemen, was an active trader in Southeast Asia. It had wealth and power, but the Age of Princes ruined that. Then the failure to pursue modernization when given the chance kicked them again. I never said or acted as if my nations had limitless funds. But when a see other poor nations like Afganistan and Arabia (which until the 1940s had no money), doing what Ethiopia had been doing, namingly modernizing (and let's not forget Ethiopia had electricity and telephones by the 1890s), it leaves me rather perplexed. Seeing that this is an alternate wikia, I thought I would be able to push those nations down the path to success. The Ashanti did have modern weapons because of their trade with the Europeans. They did have the ability to field large armies. And I haven't push them to do anything implausible. In the Spread of Communism, history shows that Ethiopia had money, but it wasn't using it properly. It had the largest military in Africa, which was at the time, equipped with fully modern weapons. And it had the ability to pursue modernization. But the Emperor as history proved, wasn't modernizing the nation fast enough, and that's why the Derg too over so easily. African nation could do better, they just don't. Your overreacting to an issue that went wrong once. All the other times came from a lack of knowledge on the abilities of the African nations I played. I've studied African history to know certain things other people don't, and wouldn't make stupid moves if they werent possible. More people focus on Japan, India, or England, but very few on Ethiopia, Asanteman, or Adal. I play them for the flexiablity, ability to expand, and the ease to develop them. I'm not a fan of implausibility, but the appearent bias or whatever shown in regard to anything African is somewhat angering and saddening. Of course I'd gladly play India or Turkey, but going to low as to look for a way to kick me from SoCR is dirty. --"Truth fears no questions..." 03:26, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

I'm aware of your actual historian, and I haven't described myself as one, only that I've studied the history of the region. And I didn't not act as if South Sudan was mine. One guy suggested that I do a certain thing, and I thought it was okay. When someone said it wasn't, I stopped. When I said I had oil, I said it was in Massawa, not South Sudan. I even added a link to Eritrea, and someone took the Eritrean port city of Massawa, and dropped it in South Sudan, and then gave me a link to oil in Sudan when I dropped the region all together. And I can lecture about those topics as well. I love history, and thats why I love this site. That is also the reason I don't want to do anything that will get me kicked off of it, hence when I say I wouldn't do anything truely implausible unless it was actually possible. And in regards to Liberia. No one thought some dude from Corsica of all places would almost take over Europe. Who's is to say one from Liberia might almost take over West Africa? I wouldn't hold my breath, but history hs proven that the implausible is sometimes plausible. In special cases of course. --"Truth fears no questions..." 03:52, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

And I did not. And no King and his advisors said that a Corsican guy would conquer would conquer Europe, since that king was dead by then. Plus, he did have to claw his way to a position where he could do anything. But alas, I guess I'll wait for your tag team buddy. Goodnight. --"Truth fears no questions..." 04:02, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

About Your Response to the Star Wars Idea.
That's perfect! We should go with that idea. And yes, Roguejedi definietly needs to come along. Although some things are needed.
 * 1) We need to plan out how this Map Game will go. I've never made a map game, I've always been more of someone who plays along, so I don't know how I would do as a mod.
 * 2) We would need to advertise somehow, I know it's controversial, but the Seven Years War Map Game that started recently gained popularity by "advertising". I'll let you decide what we should do.
 * Yes, George Washington would make for a badass jedi. (I'm Canadian, and even I have to agree with that.) Stewdio333 (talk) 05:51, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

PM. yes
Yes I will help you. I was gone for week at St. Brieux srry.

'''You haven't posted in ages and i didnt see that much expansion. If there was sorry and by this time you should be having economic problems that got you labeled the 'sick man of europe' and i definitely didnt see any reforms to prevent it and whatnot. Bukhara said that it only has a small strip stretching over the north edge. Sorry if anything is wrong but that's my take.AP (talk) 02:16, July 21, 2012 (UTC)'''

'''I've had it up to here with Vivaporious, he's continiouslycontesting everything i post and cross out and he's incredibly implausible. I want him out of SOCr as soon as possible, i'm pretty sure he's already had more than 3 strikes.AP (talk) 02:25, July 21, 2012 (UTC)'''

'''That's fine. Just cut back the African expansion. But i'd like to see you post and not have your nation on autopilot. Otherwise nations won't know what goes on in your Empire and won't be able to respond to it, defeating the map game concept. But anyways all other stuff is right except Bukhara i know those for a fact. On a side note it seems to me that, just like a power vacuum after a major power falls, the implausibility vacuum has been filled by Vivaporious(formerly by DeanSims, but he's banned). Frankly he's annoying the crap outta me everywhere i encounter him. He seriously, no joke IS another Dean. He makes his nations implausibly powerful and wealthy and makes horribly painful expansions. Help me deal with him.AP (talk) 03:07, July 21, 2012 (UTC)'''

'''Yeah i know, i just hope he's changed a little(hopefully). Now the problem is Vivaporious aka Other Dean. I've had other players complain about his antics already and he even had a spat with LG about his annoying African empires. yes we need to revive TEvsCP with some proper changes of course. I dread playing Principia Moderni II with him because he's probably going to try and make his Swahili Kingdoms into a superpower in two years. AP (talk) 03:42, July 21, 2012 (UTC)'''

'''True,very true. I grimace when i see his name signed up on a map game that i want to play/am playing. I want him gone from SOCr. So is Unknown landmass still going? if so i wanna play, maybe on another continent seeing as how the current one is filled.AP (talk) 04:00, July 21, 2012 (UTC)'''

I Have Returned!
Yes, you are right. I have returned from a far off land.

The map looks different from what I thought it would be, but I suppose that that is/was the piont.

Have to say, I am a bit behind on what happened in the map games. Can you fill me in? America looks larger in VLRR, but other than that I am clueless.

I noticed that you talked to Andrew about PMII. If he is in for it, then we should move forward with our plan. Did the game start yet?

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 05:11, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, hey, hey! I like my map!! :P Plus, I still think there should be a Australia and a Zealandia! :D Imperium Guy 13:02, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Gone
Hey, I'll be gone for a week until next sunday so could you take over my map games?

VLR: Prussia: Just conquer small German States and improve the military.

'''7 Day War: You are New France: Improve infanstructure and stay safe. No independence until 1775.'''

Thanks, Whosonefirst? (talk)

In light of your comments, I don't wish to end up like Dean (who's page I visited). I don't like implausible events, and my actions in TAvsCP were not what I was going for, and I agree using Liberia to take over Africa was going too far. However, banning me for making an argument that nothing to do with my planned moves in the game was wrong. I had two strikes, attempting to invade a Portuguese colony and French West Africa. But I had one left. Now, since that game is dead, it doesn't matter any more. My point though, is simple. I don't want you to hate me for something that happened in a single game, and then spread that anger to others. AP is a fool in my eyes, and I hope your more kind in my seeking a better start with you. To clarify, my actions in TAvsCP have no bearing on my actions elsewhere, including SoCM. I made no indication that I had limitless funds or that I was going to make a world spanning African empire, and I don't appricate your percieve perception of my actions in PPII. So if your willing to leave this issue be and forget the matter, and allow us to go on I friendly users who don't blast CAPS lines at each other, I'd be more than willing to cooperate. Though, I would ask that you not compare me to Dean. I made arguements that I could prove, he did not. Well, I don't know I never saw which games he played. I just what to play the games and do something useful, not get into a fight about imaginary funds. --"Truth fears no questions..." 17:59, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

hey Scraw i need an answer on the Unknown landmass thing.AP (talk) 18:29, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Lincoln's Mistake
Interested in helping me with this timeline? im shelving the other one for now since i have no ideas for that one. this ill be making a timeline and an online archive of stories from different point of view characters in the different periods of the TL up to the 2070's with the beginning of space colonization but that will be done on a seperate page if i cant on this wiki. Nkbeeching

Ah, thank you Scraw. --"Truth fears no questions..." 19:53, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Are we sure war is happening, I am getting mixed messages from Nippon on that. Vietnam says they will probabily remain neutral. I really want to unify Britain. Our Pan Europa idea is still possible as I'll control Britain. I suppose I can wait a little longer, but my whole goal when I fist joined PM was to unite Britain into one nation, so far that has been impossible to do. If Vietnam stays out I can still merge, but not if war is on the way. How sure are we of the war its has been 4 or 5 turns since they mentioned it and nothing has happened at all. I will talk to Nue Brandenburg.Andr3w777 (talk) 20:50, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Dang it, there goes my reunion plan. Crap, I will cancel the referendum effective immediently, Can we get Collie on our side because if not we will have a major issue.Andr3w777 (talk) 20:59, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Just finished talking to Collie before you sent that message. I also talked to Neue Brandenburg. I will also evangelize some of Africa. Do you have Byzantium yet?Andr3w777 (talk) 21:09, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Finished talking to Ethiopia, waiting a reply. All the other nations are taken up by members in the war.Andr3w777 (talk) 21:18, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

We got Ethiopia on our side! Andr3w777 (talk) 21:20, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

I'd much rather serve a European master than an Oriental one. I look forward to the war. --<font COLOR="878787">"Truth fears no questions..." 21:26, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

If Hungary side with Asia. Wales will remain in the war. I know that it is suicide because of Britain right next door. But Wales put alot into this alliance. Our nations are practically one. Because of this. We will fight along side our Russian and Scandinavian bretherenAndr3w777 (talk) 21:36, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

I just begged Finland- hopefully they will side with us.Andr3w777 (talk) 21:47, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em;">Oh well, I'm now involved, and I have been implausible many a time. I can last longer than the average user in trying to calm fights. I am pretty sure Dean has not been permanently blocked before me 'cause I can be persistant.

I'll keep in mind not to use f***ing again, lol. I was just a bit cheesed of with Ap's behaviour. "People will dread him playing in PMII", I'm like really? Even DEAN was plausible when he played PM, he just didn't know how large his territory was (:/)!

And for MaxSysa (yeah, that's my abbreviation), I did not know we were planning a Terra-Australis. I'll get to work on that straight away! :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:54, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

ok i will join the war, but in which game in Principia moderny right?im confused cause you posted in the seven years reply

ok bueno quienes son los belicosos de el juego, quienes nos quieren eliminar?

todas las naciones asiaticas van a atacar europa? o sino dime cuales en especifico


 * Inglip: estamos perdidos,si ayudare en lo que pueda aunque no creo que mi ayuda sea de mucho el bizantium no es muy poderoso en este juego y es muy probable que yo sea el vencido, y francia yo por estar cerca de asia y francia por el debil estado social

en fin como es nuestra situacion a comparacion de la asiatica

well what our status,How much points do we have against asians

I'm gonna be unavailable for the next 24 hours or so, If something happens bad happens while I'm away you have permission to post on my behalf.Andr3w777 (talk) 02:20, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

I'm aware. I'll keep Ethiopia away from Bharat. --<font COLOR="878787">"Truth fears no questions..." 02:23, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Just PM I think.Andr3w777 (talk) 02:32, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, thats not fair, moving Ethiopia away from Bharat, lol. But yeah, I have a new map ready:



So, I have made a acclaimed Terra Australis (I am pretty sure Australia is where it should be 'cause I looked at maps from the time frame when they thought Terra-Australis existed. :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 10:56, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Our Plan
That is good to hear.

I was thinking, if the HRE was only one nation, we could all discuss what to do in one turn and post together. Posting our turns seperatly would work as well.

What do you have in mind for the full extent of the HRE, as I remember you saying it could be bigger.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 02:47, July 22, 2012 (UTC)