Talk:Axis vs Allies: Revolutions (Map Game)

France

 * Location: 2
 * Tactical Advantage: 1 - 3 = -2
 * Strength: 9 (+BC)= 13
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 8
 * 12:07
 * 1*2*0*7 = 14
 * 14/78 = 0.179487179
 * 0.179487179*3.14 = 563589742.09
 * Total: 26

Egypt

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical Advantage: 5
 * Strength: 0
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 4
 * Total: 24

Result

 * Stalemate between French and Egyptian forces ensures.

Discussion

 * I believe I did right. I also didn't include France's Big Cheese Power, due to being invaded. Correct me if I'm wrong. Enclavehunter (talk) 14:28, September 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * You should add it in. However, I just made a new rule that if you are invading from far away (+3 or less), then you need at least a +5 advantage to take any land. Ideas? Flag_of_South_Korea.png PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:35, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Archive
First archive :) PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 20:23, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

For

 * Korea
 * America
 * Persia
 * France
 * UK

Against

 * Siam (even if UN is created, the Siamese have no interest in joining it)
 * Japan we propose a reformed League of Nations and that peace keeping be carried out by each independent alliance system.
 * Soviet Union (We have no interest in another organization)
 * Turkey (Never)

Discussion
@Japan: That's what the new UN is. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:37, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

Implausibilty
Hey guys. I've seen a few bits of pieces that I conisder implausible. First, the Italians troops and equipment numbers. I don't know how Italy could muster that number of bombers and aircraft, unless they were drafted from Libya. Second, the Facists France. I don't think the French people would allow for their government to become fascist, espically after two fascit nations attacked them. Third, the United States and its "war" against the Axis. I don't understand why the United States attacked the Soviet Union for no reason. The Reds did nothing to the United States, and the United States is still in isolation, and the only reason they went to war in OTL was the Attack on Pearl Harbor, which never occured. Fourth, why would the Americans waste soldiers and their fleet invading eastern Siberia, espically with nothing there except natives and deadly winters. There's a few others, but these are the main things I would like to talk about. Enclavehunter (talk) 01:58, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

All of the non-USA stuff is true. Now I'll talk about the US stuff.

A: America got into this because its economy and trade interests are way too much at risk.

B: Speak for yourself. You're just defending your own nation. When I say Eastern Siberia, per se it is more like Soviet Manchuria and the like. Vladivostok-ish and norht of that. Then if can get Japan in on this and convince Hitler to come to peace talkk, my efforts will bear fruit.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:02, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

Still. We didn't do nothing to the United States, and here you are coming on our doorstep attacking the Soviet Union with no casus beli or however you say it. In OTL, if every nation went to war because their economic and trade interests were threaten, the world would be a warzone each and every day. Enclavehunter (talk) 02:06, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

No. I attacked your allies. So then, you will attack me. I have to think ahead and prevent that, so I have to invade you. Simple logical reasoning. AKA chain of events.

And btw: with France on the deathbed and Britain guarding the door, I gotta step in. Anywho, I ahve business to discuss with Hitler. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:13, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

United States

 * Location: 2
 * Tactical Advantage: 1
 * Strength: 3 + 3 + (BC) = 9
 * Motive: 3
 * Chance: 3
 * 00:36
 * 0*0*3*6 = 18
 * 18/6803 = 0.002.......
 * 0.00264589151*pi = 0.00831................
 * Total: 15

Soviet Union

 * Location: 3
 * Tactical Advantage: 2
 * Strength: Soviet Union (L): 4
 * Motive: 7
 * Chance: 5
 * 00:36
 * 0*0*3*6 = 18
 * 18/5,212 = 0.03448275862
 * 0.03448275862*3.14 = 0.01.....
 * Total: 22

Result

 * Marginal Soviet victory, but I don't know A: Who the Soviets were fighting (after all, America's not there yet), and B: Why the Soviet Army is in Kamchatka and Samoyeda. I'm surprised the Soviets didn't get a 1 for capital distance.

Discussion

 * Another attempt for an algorithm. I didn't know what to put for my UTC Time, so I put the time Scraw (United States) declared war on the Axis and Soviet Union. I did this, because I assume ounce nation declares war, then the defending nation is at war with the attacker. Pita, Correct if I'm wrong. Enclavehunter (talk) 05:08, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

You're pretty much right, and it should be with heavy casualties as well. IMO, we should retcon the last two turns (France suddenly converts to Axis, USA invades USSR), but retcons do kill games... PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 22:00, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

i think a retcon would be good, despite what it will do to the game or atleast make an event that creates a widespread resistence movement in france along with resistence movements throughout the occupied regions (including occupied china) that way we can finally make a guerilla warfare algorithm (i really want one XD) Nkbeeching

Can we all just back up for a second? I think we should get a few things clear. First of all, I did not even make landfall in the USSR yet, so why is there an algorithm? Secondly, this is part of the greater war with the Axis Powers, not America's lone vendetta against the USSR. Thirdly, and more importantly, there is no Franco-German War, Franco-Italian War, Anglo-German War, Italo-Egyptian War, these are all part of one master war AKA WWII. I think we should have a mega coalition algorithm that we update as time goes on. So fourthly, and indirectly we're still on my third point, a lot of stuff if going wrong here. So me invading the USSR is far from imaplusible when I'm at war with the Axis. Doesn't it make sense to attack the nearest Axis nation when you're warring with the whole alliance? And I'm trying to negotiate with Hitler but Imp doesn't want to come down to the table. So yeah. And finally, let's not retcon the gfame. Let's just pretened that France is still Allied. The END of A Tale of Two Wars.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:30, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with a retcon. Enclavehunter (talk) 02:48, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Soviet motive is not 10 because I do not intend on conquering 2 million+ sq mi of land, for Genghis Khan I am not, though Genghis Khan, wish I was. And location goes by capital, so..... And you should use the pi button on the calulator, not 3.14. And my edit ount was really 6791 when I made the war declaration against the Axis. Allow some corrections here. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:05, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

That's why I agree with the retcon. Appearently alot stuff has happened (France turning Fascits, me and scraw's arguments). I apoligize for what the argument has brought, and I'll just watch and see how the war turns out. I'm done arguing. Enclavehunter (talk) 03:31, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

For

 * Enclavehunter
 * Nkbeeching
 * Stewdio333
 * Flag_of_South_Korea.png PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe)
 * -Kogasa [[Image:Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png|23px|border]][[Image:宮城県.png|23px|border]][[Image:Flag of Japan.png|23px|border]] 2012年9月23日 08:10:57 (JST)

Discussion
Seeing as I can see the argument going on and on. I decided to put up a vote. Enclavehunter (talk) 02:53, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Before I vote, what is the extent of the retcon? Stewdio333 (talk) 03:34, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

That's up to the mods. I'm just a simple player. Enclavehunter (talk) 03:38, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Two turns. -         - Anyways, I propose we ignore the implausogasms and go on acting as if they never happened, cause retcons ruin games. RRG, Golden Rule of Map Games. -         -  Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:47, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, sounds good, though I'm just another simple player. Stewdio333 (talk) 05:35, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Retcon passed, the game is retconed to 1941.5. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 00:08, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Sino-Japanese War 1941.5
According to the algorithm, Japan gets 21.5% of Chinese land to split with Siam. This is 2306 pixels, which leads to the collapse of China. All of Eastern China is taken by Japan/Siam. Western China, however, is not taken.

PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:05, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Intervention in East Indies
I think we can safely say East Indies breaks apart from the Dutch and Japan takes over, as in OTL. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:39, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Argentina

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical advantage: 1
 * Strength: Argentina (L): 4
 * Greater Industry: 3
 * Greater population: 3
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 0
 * 19:52
 * 1*9*5*2= 90
 * 90/202= 0.44554455445
 * 0.44554455445*3.14= 1.39900990099
 * Total: 20

Chile

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical advantage: 2
 * Strength: Chile (L): 4
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 0
 * Total: 21

Result

 * Argentina is pushed out of Chilean territory

Second Peruvian-Brazilian war ( The andean war)
(((34/(29+34))*2)-1,)*(1-1/(4))= 0.05952380952

According to the algorithm, Brazil gets 5.95% of Peruvian land, or 108 pixels. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:49, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

UK
Guys, I announced like 10-15 days before today that I'm NOT coming back, get a new UK player.

The Royal Guns (talk) 00:30, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Guys, i will play Great Britan because we cant have ww2 without the UK

Warman555 8:02, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

No, we cannot have a player with two nations. I will mod the nation until we can have a new player take over. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 18:57, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Can i play Great Britan if i give up France? Warman555

Nation-switching in the middle of games is not generally encouraged, although you are allowed. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 16:19, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Plausibility
just wanted to know if what ive been doing with japan was ok and plausible. Nkbeeching

Pretty good, but just know you will have to pull out of China in the next 10-15 years. It's impossible to hold that much land with that many people for too long. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 16:20, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Soviet Union (Belligerent)

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical advantage: 1
 * Strength: Soviet Union (L), France (M, BC), Great Britain (M, BC): 18
 * Greater population: 3
 * Greater industry: 3
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 2
 * 12:56
 * 1*2*5*6= 60
 * 60/5230= 0.01147227533
 * 0.01147227533*3.14= 0.03602294455
 * Total: 36

Germany (Defendant)

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical advantage: 2
 * Strength: Germany (L), Italy (M), Spain (M): 10
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 4
 * Total: 31

Result
Crushing Soviet victory, the Soviet union receives 4.54% of German-Polish land.

PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 13:02, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Result
Too tired to post everything, but Brazil gets 2.73% of Uruguayan land, or 8 pixels. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 01:03, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Turkey (Belligerent)

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical advantage: 1
 * Strength: Turkey (L): 4
 * Invading Desert: -3
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 1
 * 1*1*2*8= 16
 * 16/880= 0.181818181
 * 0.18181818*pi= 0.057119866
 * Total: 12

France (Defendant)

 * Location: 3
 * Tactical advantage: 2
 * Defending Desert: +3
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 6
 * Total: 27

Result:
French forces in Syria devastate Turkish forces sent against it, and take 9.62% of Turkish land, or 127 pixels.

Turkey (Belligerent)

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical advantage: 1
 * Strength: Turkey (L): 4
 * Greater industry: 3
 * Greater population: 3
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 9
 * 00:45
 * 1*1*4*5= 20
 * 20/880= 0.022727273
 * 0.022727273*pi= 0.071399833
 * Total: 29

Greece (Defendant)

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical advantage: 2
 * Strength: Greece (L): 4
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 3
 * Total: 24

Result:
Turkey may take 4.72% of Grecian land, or 11 pixels.

Turkish-British War
I didn't do this one because I think you have enough on your plate lol... this war would have cost you approximately 40-45 pixels. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 00:56, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Then I'll keep my head down. I like my land too much. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 14:54, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Lesser Antilles
Under the North America header, is the Lesser Antilles a single playable nation, or is each island (group) a nation? Also, it's Antigua and Barbuda (Barbados is far to the south and not part of that OTL nation). Also, there appears to be an error with the indent by the Greater Antilles. 77topaz (talk) 08:48, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

They are all single nations per island, not controlling the entire chain. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 09:42, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

What nations should be on the list? The current OTL ones? 77topaz (talk) 11:00, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

The British currently rule all of the Lesser Antilles. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:01, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Turkey (Belligerent)

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical advantage: 1
 * Strength: Turkey (L): 4
 * Greater industry: 3
 * Greater population: 3
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 8
 * 19:26
 * 1*9*2*6= 108
 * 108/892= 0.1210762331838565
 * 0.1210762331838565*pi= 0.3801793721973094
 * Total: 29

Greece (Defendant)

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical advantage: 2
 * Strength: Greece (L): 4
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 2
 * Total: 27

Result:
Turkey may take (Pita help) of Grecian land, or (I'z don't know) pixels.
 * 2.98% of Grecian land, or 7 pixels. Flag_of_South_Korea.png PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:09, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

Discussion
Pita... ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 00:33, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

American Peace Treaty for World War II
Aside from the Soviet proposal, the United States proposes more. That is all.
 * After the war, a United Nations organizations will be formed. We will make it stronger than the LoN, and we will use it, and we will maintain world peace with it.
 * The Permanent Security Council will have the following six members: the United States, the Soviet Union, the United Kingdom, Japan, France, and another nation that will be chosen. (Most likely Turkey or none.)
 * The Axis Powers shall be divided and occupied.
 * For Germany, we shall follow the Soviet proposal.
 * For Italy, southern Italy (the Neapolitan area) and Siciliy will be formed into the Republic of Naples. Northern Italy shall be occupied by the British and the French.
 * For Turkey, the OTL borders will be placed.
 * The Japanese shall not suffer much; they will maintain Indochina, Manchuria, Taiwan, and the present territory.
 * That is all.
 * Seeing the toll of the destruction of Frankfurt, the use of nukes will be limited. We'll talk bout that later.
 * German Poland gains independence, taking East Prussia with it.

Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 19:00, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

Japan accepts the proposal but requests that the treaty stipulate that all members of the E.A.T.S.P. are aknowledged as independent states with in the E.A.T.S.P. sphere of influence it is also requested that the allies accept that Japan deal with the peace treaty with China as it is a seperate conflict from the great war that happened in the West. over the rest of the stipulations Japan has no complaints.
 * Empire of Japan
 * Republic of Korea
 * Kingdom of Siam
 * Kingdom of Indochina
 * Republic of Indonesia
 * Empire of Manchuria

only one thing what about the Algorythm for the entire war ? Sine dei gloriem (talk) 20:50, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

There wasn't- more of several different for the different fronts. If we just did the entire war, it would get very, very confusing on who gets what, etc. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 20:53, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

Turkey had no active part in the war. We just kept to ourselves really, and didn't voice anything on the European fighting. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 20:55, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

Corrected Finalized Treaty

 * After the war, a United Nations organizations will be formed. We will make it stronger than the LoN, and we will use it, and we will maintain world peace with it.
 * The Permanent Security Council will have the following members: the United States, the Soviet Union, the United Kingdom, Japan, and France
 * The Axis Powers shall be divided and occupied.
 * For Germany, we shall follow the Soviet proposal.
 * The Soviets shall occupy what territory they have control over currently. The Americans will occupy the remainder.
 * For Italy, the reparations will also be enforced for 20 years (as with Germany) and all colonies will be released.
 * The Japanese shall be allowed to develop their own treaty with China and will be allowed to retain Indochina and the East Indies.
 * Seeing the toll of the destruction of Frankfurt, the use of nukes will be limited. The conference between the leaders of the USA, the USSR, and the Empire of Japan shall be held to discuss this.
 * German Poland gains independence, taking East Prussia with it.
 * No nation involved in this war will be allowed to wage war against a nation which was its enemy during the war. All active campaigns shall not be resumed. Militarization of the defeated nations shall be limited for twenty years.

Signatories

 * President Henry A. Wallace of the United States [[Image:IMPERIAL NY-SPQR 1.png|25px]][[Image:Regen Flag.png|30px|border]] Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 06:07, October 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Emperor Hirohito
 * President of the First Republic of Korea, Kim Il-Sung
 * Premier of the Soviet Union, Leon Trotsky Enclavehunter (talk) 04:12, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Emperor Ananda Mahidol, Eight Monarch, & Empress Suthawan Banomyong of the Kingdom of Thailand (Thailand still refuses to join the UN however) -Kogasa [[Image:Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png|23px|border]][[Image:宮城県.png|23px|border]][[Image:Flag of Japan.png|23px|border]] 2012年10月16日 18:14:42 (JST)

Discussion

 * It is way to harsh on Italy, we surrendered before you even invaded, we will not be divided, we will give up Libya, Eritrea, and Somalia, but not let ou divide the homeland.
 * It can be harsher, and it is harsher on Germany. Read the damn game, Dean. That's why we have this problem. The Italian republican government was created by the ALLIES, and freed by the ALLIES. Technically it's a puppet.
 * no, i was NEVER invaded!!! And my colonies are part of the federation

Argentina (Belligerent)

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical advantage: 1
 * Strength: Argentina (L): 4
 * Greater industry: 3
 * Greater population: 3
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 7
 * Total: 27

Chile (Defendant)

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical advantage: 2
 * Strength: Chile (L): 4
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 0
 * Total: 21

Result
Argentina takes 6.25% of Chilean land, or 68 pixels. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 20:44, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Turkey (Belligerent)

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical advantage: 1
 * Strength: Turkey (L), Soviet Union (L): 8
 * Greater industry: 3
 * Greater population: 3
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 7
 * 23:11
 * 2*3*1*1= 1
 * 1/908= 0.0011013215859031
 * 0.0011013215859031*pi= 0.0034581497797357
 * Total: 35

Persia (Defendant)

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical advantage: 2
 * Strength: Persia (L): 4
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 8
 * Total: 29

Result:
Turkey may take 7.81% of Persian land, or 207 pixels.

Brazil
Anyone else think Brazil should be penalized for having four different wars at the same time? PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 20:13, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Ever hear that great minds think alike? Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 04:04, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

May i point out that the only current wars i held are with Suriname, and peru, and support to argentina is nothing more than what america was doing with britain prior to their entrance in the war In OTL, so counting Chile 3, without it Just 2 wars Sine dei gloriem (talk) 16:46, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

You've had wars with Columbia, Peru, and Surinam in the last 5 years. Brazilian people are not the most warlike people, and besides, there is a big difference between America and Brazil. Although I think their invasion of Mexico is slightly implausible since they are in isolation. But even that has a historical precedent, during the Mexican-American War. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:13, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

my point its not thay im like america and the last war with colombia would have been in 1943 as i started in 1940 with venezuela, so we could discard that one, in american case i was stating that i was only aiding argentina's war with chile, nothing asb, but the only reason i have continued my war against peru is because i only want a coast line in the pacific to become a greater economic power in southern america, though i understand the penalization

War Weariness
Anyone think we should add war weariness in wars starting in the 1960s or so? PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe)

Kinda depends on who fought which wars, how long, how hard (ex: how much money, troops, resources, etc) and other stuff. Too many factors. I say nay. Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 04:12, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Nay. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 18:24, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Turkey (Belligerent)

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical advantage: 1
 * Strength: Turkey (L), Soviet Union (L): 8
 * Greater industry: 3
 * Greater population: 3
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 5
 * 13:25
 * 1*3*2*5= 30
 * 30/914= 0.0328227571115974
 * 0.0328227571115974*pi= 0.1030634573304158
 * Total: 29

Persia (Defendant)

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical advantage: 2
 * Strength: Persia (L): 4
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 4
 * Total: 25

Result:
Turkey may take 4.72% of Persian land, or 82 pixels. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 23:27, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

United Nations
Who would join? Also, Enclavehunter, you no invade the Balkans? :D PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 20:00, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Join

 * Korea
 * United States
 * Great Britain
 * France
 * Mexico
 * Persia
 * Soviet Union

Not Join

 * Siam

Chile (defendant)

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical advantage: 2
 * Strength: Chile (L): 4
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 4
 * Total: 24

Argentina (invader)

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical advantage: 1
 * Strength: Argentina (L): 4
 * Greater industry: 3
 * Greater population: 3
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 7
 * 20:41
 * 2*0*4*1= 0
 * 0/241= 0
 * 0*pi= 0
 * Total: 25

Result:
Argentina may take ?% of Chilean land, or ? pixels.

United Nations (Axis vs Allies: Revolutions Map Game)
Take a look! PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 23:33, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Turkey (Belligerent)

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical advantage: 1
 * Strength: Turkey (L), Soviet Union (L): 8
 * Greater industry: 3
 * Greater population: 3
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 9
 * 03:56
 * 0*3*5*6= 0
 * 0/918= 0
 * 0*pi= 0
 * Total: 33

Persia (Defendant)

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical advantage: 2
 * Strength: Persia (L): 4
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 1
 * Total: 22

Result:
Turkey may take 10% of Persian land, or 236 pixels. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:33, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Turkey (Belligerent)

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical advantage: 1
 * Strength: Turkey (L), Soviet Union (L): 8
 * Greater industry: 3
 * Greater population: 3
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 8
 * 13:25
 * 0*3*5*6= 0
 * 0/918= 0
 * 0*pi= 0
 * Total: 32

Greece (Defendant)

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical advantage: 2
 * Strength: Greece (L): 4
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 7
 * Total: 28

Result:
Turkey may take ?% of Greek land, or ? pixels.

Greece is already fully under Turkish control. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:24, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Excellent. >:) ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 22:20, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Vassals
Is it possible to vassalise or form confederations in this game? 77topaz (talk) 04:11, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

You can have rump states that are under your control. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 19:23, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Turkey (Belligerent)

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical advantage: 1
 * Strength: Turkey (L): 4
 * Greater industry: 3
 * Greater population: 3
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 3
 * 18:59
 * 1*8*5*9= 360
 * 360/939= 0.3833865814696486
 * 0.3833865814696486*pi= 1.203833865814696
 * Total: 31

Syria (Defendant)

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical advantage: 2
 * Strength: Syria (L): 4
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 6
 * Total: 27

Result:
Turkey may take 11.74% of Syrian land, or ? pixels.

Discussion
Turkey is invading Latakia in western Syria which has no desert by the way. And Pita, could you tell me how the land/pixel equation thing works? ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 00:14, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Basically what you do is take ((y/(z+y))*2)-1, where "y" is the score of the winner and "z" is the score of the loser. Then take (p)*(1-1/(2)), "p" is the above equation. You should get a percentage. Also, for the pixels, I use a program to count the pixels for a country- with that, I get the percent, round it up, and post it. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 18:55, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Awesome. What kind of program do you use? ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 01:20, October 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * And I take it 11.74% is the correct answer? ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 01:34, October 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, 11.74% is right. I use ImageJ, which is pretty confusing to use though. Flag_of_South_Korea.png PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 09:21, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. Thanks for the math lesson, it'll help for the future.... ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 23:30, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Guys im not mod but there shuold be a rule about areas with mountins heres what i got invading mountin -3 defending mountin 3  Warman555

Turkey (Belligerent)

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical advantage: 1
 * Strength: Turkey (L): 4
 * Greater industry: 3
 * Greater population: 3
 * Motive: 6
 * Chance: 7
 * 18:59
 * 1*8*5*9= 360
 * 360/941= 0.4112646121147715
 * 0.4112646121147715*pi= 1.291370882040383
 * Total: 28

Bulguria (Defendant)

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical advantage: 2
 * Strength: Bulguria (L): 4
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 5
 * Total: 26

Result:
Turkey may take 1.32 % of Bulgarian land, or 3 pixels.

Turkey (Belligerent)

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical advantage: 1
 * Strength: Turkey (L): 4
 * Greater industry: 3
 * Greater population: 3
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 9
 * 17:33
 * 1*7*3*3= 63
 * 63/961= 0.0655567117585848
 * 0.0655567117585848*pi= 0.014047866805411
 * Total: 29

Syria (Defendant)

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical advantage: 2
 * Strength: Syria (L): 4
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 5
 * Total: 26

Result:
Turkey may take 11.91% of Syrian land, or 33 pixels.

Turkey (Belligerent)

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical advantage: 1
 * Strength: Turkey (L), Soviet Union (S): 8
 * Greater industry: 3
 * Greater population: 3
 * Invading desert -3
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 6
 * 17:33
 * 1*7*3*3= 63
 * 63/961= 0.0655567117585848
 * 0.0655567117585848*pi= 0.014047866805411
 * Total: 27

Persia (Defendant)

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical advantage: 2
 * Strength: Persia (L), UK (M+BC), US (S): 13
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 5
 * Total: 34

Result:
Turkey is pushed out of current Persian land by 2.87%, losing 60 pixels. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 01:26, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

Discussion
Pita, I got "12.56" as the result, and have no idea how to work that. Solve the equation, and you shall recieve the antidote. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 22:44, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

um you do realize that persia is now backed by several world powers right.

And? ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 23:47, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

also persia and bulgaria are my allies you should add that to the next bulgarian and the current persian algorythm Sine dei gloriem (talk) 04:37, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

The USSR is my ally in the conflicts, and the UK can't be counted since it doesn't have the compacity to fight another nation (it was nuked into the stone ages correct?). ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 18:46, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

the uk was never hit by nuclear weaponsd i think

the UK was never hit by nuclear weapons Warman555

It was threatened in circa 1950-1951, but not hit 90.244.91.81 15:46, October 26, 2012 (UTC)(Mike A).

Turkey (Belligerent)

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical advantage: 1
 * Strength: Turkey (L): 4
 * Greater industry: 3
 * Greater population: 3
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 9
 * 02:00
 * 0*2*0*0= 0
 * 0/966 0
 * 0*pi= 0
 * Total: 25

Syria (Defendant)

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical advantage: 2
 * Strength: Syria (L): 4
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 3
 * Total: 24

Result:
Turkey may take 12.30% of Syrian land, or ? pixels.

Discussion
This is for the last push that I didn't do. I was tired. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 05:01, October 27, 2012 (UTC)

Turkey (Belligerent)

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical advantage: 1
 * Strength: Turkey (L): 4
 * Greater industry: 3
 * Greater population: 3
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 2
 * 23:51
 * 2*3*5*1= 30
 * 63/974= 0.0308008213552361
 * 0.0308008213552361*pi= 0.0967145790554415
 * Total: 29

Syria (Defendant)

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical advantage: 2
 * Strength: Syria (L): 4
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 1
 * Total: 22

Result:
Turkey may take 11.00% of Syrian land, or ? pixels.

Turkey (Belligerent)

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical advantage: 1
 * Strength: Turkey (L), Soviet Union (S): 9
 * Greater industry: 3
 * Greater population: 3
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 5
 * 23:51
 * 2*3*5*1= 30
 * 63/974= 0.0308008213552361
 * 0.0308008213552361*pi= 0.0967145790554415
 * Total: 37

Persia (Defendant)

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical advantage: 2
 * Strength: Persia (L), UK (L): 8
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 5
 * Total: 30

Result:
Turkey may take 11.37% of Persian land, or ? pixels.

Decolonization
An interesting topic that I felt important to bring up is that of decolonization. France and Britain lost huge chunks of their empires between 1950-1960. In the order of their independence (from 1956-onwards): For the Brits–Sudan (1956), Ghana (1957), Nigeria (1960), Somliland (1960), Cameroon (1960), Somalia (1960), Sierra Leone (1961), Tanzania (1961), Uganda (1962), Zanzibar (1963), Kenya (1963), Malazwi (1964), Zambia (1964), Gambia (1965), Botswana (1966), Lesotho (1966), Swaziland (1968). And for the French–Everything by 1960. Liberate Africa comrades, and let the Cold War begin! ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 20:12, October 27, 2012 (UTC)

OTL France's loss were Central African Republic (1960), The Republic of Congo (1960), Gabon (1960), Madagascar (1960), French (south) Cameroon (1960), Senegal (1960), Niger (1960), Burkina Faso (1960), Chad (1960), Mauritania (1960), Morocco (1958), Algeria (1962), Tunisia (1956), Mali (1960), Comoros (1975), Guinea (1958), Côte d'Ivoire (1960) and Benin (1960). (St. Helena island remained British and both the islands of Reion, Europa and Mayotte remained French).The River Nile-2 (talk) 04:02, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

Portugal lost theres in 1975.90.244.89.157 20:03, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I"ve been trying to keep up with the time and decolonization. I've already taken away Libya, South Africa, etc. PitaKang- (But here's my number | So call me maybe) 12:46, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

Turkey (Belligerent)

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical advantage: 1
 * Strength: Turkey (L), Soviet Union (S): 9
 * Greater industry: 3
 * Greater population: 3
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 4
 * 14:22
 * 1*4*2*2= 16
 * 16/994= 0.0160965794768612
 * 0.0160965794768612*pi= 0.0505432595573441
 * Total: 34

Lebanon (Defendant)

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical advantage: 2
 * Strength: Lebanon (M): 3
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 7
 * Total: 27

Result:
Turkey may take 11.26% of Lebanese land, or ? pixels.

Argentina (Belligerent)

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical advantage: 1
 * Strength: Argentina (L), United States (S), Soviet Union (S): 14
 * Greater industry: 3
 * Greater population: 3
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 1
 * 19:45
 * 1*9*4*5= 180
 * 180/266= 0.6766917293233083
 * 0.6766917293233083*pi= 2.124812030075188
 * Total: 39

Chile (Defendant)

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical advantage: 2
 * Strength: Chile (M): 3
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 2
 * Total: 22

Result:
Argentina may take 9.8s% of Chilean land, or ? pixels.

Turkey (Belligerent)

 * Location: 4
 * Tactical advantage: 1
 * Strength: Turkey (L), Soviet Union (S): 9
 * Greater industry: 3
 * Greater population: 3
 * invadeing desert -3
 * Motive: 5
 * Chance: 3
 * 15:29
 * 1*5*2*9= 90
 * 90/1002= 0.0898203592814371
 * 0.0898203592814371*pi= 0.2820359281437126
 * Total: 25

Iraq (Defendant)

 * Location: 5
 * Tactical advantage: 2
 * Strength: Iraq (M): 3
 * defending desert 3
 * Motive: 10
 * Chance: 2
 * Total: 25

Result:
A stalemate begins between turkey and iraq

Possible Return
I may be returning to AltHistory Wiki, though not as massive (I plan to be only on this Map Game and Principia Moderni II), and I'm thinking of playing as Hungary again. Can anybody tell me the status of my dear country? Stewdio333 (talk) 10:46, November 2, 2012 (UTC)