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Newolland
I hadn't really disussed it with Mumby but having given the matter some thought:

Newolland seems to be concentrating more on expanding into the rest of Lincolnshire so while Woodbridge would probably be happy for Newolland to eventually take control of Kings Lynn and West Norfolk they themselves would want to claim the rest of the county although obviously Norwich and the surrounding area would be a no-go zone vis a vis radiation. Verence71 14:50, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

I suppose it depends what sort of societies exist in the rest of Norfolk, there could be bandit clans or peaceful collections of small villages. Once I've made up my mind one way or the other I'll ret-con their existence into the Woodbridge article so there could have been occasional cross-border raids or just peaceful cross-border trading. Possibly there could be both and Woodbridge could be contacted by towns with which it has traded and they ask for protection from bandit clans which would result in them eventually becoming part of Woodbridge. Verence71 13:49, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Rutland
1,500? I thought I was sending double that... oh well, adjust it up to 3,000. Right, casualty rates. Let's have somewhere around 350 killed, plus 500 or so wounded. The airship (again, I thought I was sending two) will survive unscathed. Fegaxeyl 17:33, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

As far as the Woodbridge election goes the number of casualties are irrelevant as the fact that it would be the third military operation Woodbridge was involved in just over a year that would really annoy the electorate. Having said that would a casualty rate of about 12 deaths and the same number injured among the 100 special forces guys we send be a "reasonable" amount?? Verence71 18:17, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, light fire and a single casualty would be fine. Incidentally, what's the strength of the TBA? Fegaxeyl 21:58, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

I like what you're doing with the casualty figures for Woodbridge. The fact the majority of our casualties are medics will be the final nail in the coffin of Mark Bee's government. Verence71 19:07, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Mansfield area
There'll be no need to extend the railway to Mansfield, Smoggy - the town of Mansfield has been pretty thoroughly dead for about a decade. There's not really anything there of value anymore. Fegaxeyl 20:45, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Great Yarmouth
In principle the flooding is a good idea but the only trouble is that the level of flooding you recommended would also cause major problems in Cambridgeshire which would mean that there would have to be some ret-conning with the wars against the TBA which took place in that area last.

However the basic idea of some "bad guys" in Great Yarmouth (which I like) could at some point in the future provide a "just cause" for Woodbridge expanding into Norfolk. Verence71 18:05, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

WFA
I'll be happy to take over editorial duties for the WFA page. Sorry I didn't reply sooner, I've been busy with other things.Tessitore 20:06, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

Hey
Hi, I was wondering if you would want to help me build by Timeline L'Uniona Homanus or if you could just provide some feedback on what I have now, some improvements, and some possibilities on how I can move forward. Thanks, I really want to be part of the community on thsi site and I'm trying to get help to build the project I've put a lot of work into. Hidan43vr 21:04, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

Well, if you could offer some possible places whereby the North American Timeline or the Asian TImeline can go. The links go to their latest pages. Thanks for the compliments of vast and well written, I try not to make spelling mistakes but that's hard what without the spellcheck so I use Google docs. Hidan43vr 14:56, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, now I've got some work to do. Hidan43vr 14:52, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

So, just bouncing some ideas here really. I'm going to have the Srivijaya empire fall apart. Before the capital was taken and the Maharajah killed there was an evacuation and the nobles went to Borneo and Sulawesi and the lower classes, those who could move, went to Java. All of these isladns separate from each other and Japan takes what they did not have of the Phillipines. These three new islands compete for the several islands and the Khmer Kingdom takes Sumatra in a deal with the Maurya. After this I want a long Period of Macro-peace, no large wars between the larger Empires but maybe some scuffles here and there especially in the fractured Indonesia. This is mostly just to get the time of all the old world up to date with Europe.

Another question that I have about the way that I write my story. Does my style of making history into a narrative make it too long or less believable? Also, is there good continuity between the different timeline pages? I dont want each one to seem like disconnected episodes of what could have been a good series. Lastly, a while ago I made a small Empire on the island of madagascar and the Southeast Coast of Africa. Should I make a new Timeline for Africa to document their interactions because I think it would seem a bit nuance to have Africa develop large scale civilized states, and perhaps discover South America at least. If you have any suggestions on how to justify this as a natural development and to not seemed forced by me, the author, that would be nice. Sorry if these paragraphs seem a bit long and intimidating :3 Hidan43vr 00:21, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, you've actually been very helpful. Hidan43vr 15:00, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

East Cambridgeshire
I've noticed that if the old district of East Cambridgeshire becomes part of Newolland proper that would leave Woodbridge with only a very narrow gateway for any possible future western expansion.

As there a future agreement for the Condominium Of West Norfolk to become part of Newolland in toto, I wonder if it might be possible for the southern half of East Cambridgeshire to be given to Woodbridge as part of a swap so as to increase a future Western corridor?? Verence71 23:22, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

I was thinking if we drew a east/west line just south of Soham Verence71 08:25, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good to me although we would only physically take control of southern East Cambridgeshire for now. South Cambridgeshire and the area around St Neots would just be an area we would claim for future (not current) expansion in the same way that we wil be "claiming" most of Norfolk Verence71 17:33, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Greetings, and Scotland
Hello Smoggy80/Laura!

I don't think we've communicated before, I'm KingSweden. Almost all of my time is spent over on Napoleon's World, my primary TL. Lordgagon directed me over to you since I had a few questions about Scottish clans and the Jacobites, specifically in regards to what a Scottish kingdom would have looked like following a "partition" of Britain at the end of the Napoleonic Wars (Napoleon being victorious and divying up Britain as a form of punishment for the conflict). Currently, I have the Clan Spalding becoming the Royal House of Spalding, but that may not be realistic... I wanted to find somebody with a more extensive knowledge of Scotland who may be able to point out what I'm doing right (or wrong.)

Regards!

KingSweden 21:50, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

That was some very solid information, thank you.

I did some extra research and thought about what you suggested, and here was my idea, see what you think: After Napoleon divides up the UK in 1815, he hands over the Scottish crown to an obscure Jacobite claimant (I found this Italian lady named Mary Beatrice of Modena who apparently had a claim), and within a few years the Chattan Confederation manages to stage a coup and install a Mackintosh in power. Scotland remains a volatile, often lawless country as the Lowlands and Highlands become more and more culturally disparate, with multiple wars between the various clans and the struggle of the central government to uphold it. In 1889, the Spaldings lead a coup over the Mackintosh and tenously and barely control Scotland for the next 80 years until the Scottish Civil War begins in 1969, after which the royalty is replaced with a "republic" run by a military junta run by Sean Connery, who squashes the clan system during his 20-year dictatorship until his eventual fall and the rise of a liberal democratic Scottish republic.

What do you think?

KingSweden 00:24, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

Well I've made an effort to find intriguing new ways to give OTL people what I call "Alternate Destinies" in the TL. Interesting note on Connery.... Maybe his family immigrated anyhow to the Lowlands for economic opportunity or whatever.

KingSweden 02:08, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Wow! That's very detailed. I can't thank you enough, that'll probably be very handy.

KingSweden 19:36, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Do you think...
Do you think L'Uniona Homanus could ever be a featured althistory? Hidan43vr 18:19, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Division of Former UK
Thanks for letting me know what's going on. I haven't been here in a while due to being otherwise occupied but obviously I'm back now. Thanks for putting down that Lancaster would be interested in Eastern Cheshire, Staffordshire and Shropshire, I've be wondering how much of Cheshire the CA had and considering an expedition south for a while now. It appears that I've got some catching up to do.Tessitore 23:00, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Good to know, especially since I've found a potential gold mine in Cheshire in the form of salt mines and salt works. Given the number of uses salt has and the limited number of competitors (one of which happens to be Cleveland by the way), if Lancaster manages to bag them then their economy would get a big boost. I've just got to work out how much of Cheshire I'd need to do so.Tessitore 23:41, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I'm going to have to do a lot of thinking on this one since given the size of the area involved and the fact that it was relatively un-nuked I'm going to have to think of a really good reason why things would be in a state where Lancaster could take over. With East Cheshire I was thinking of them being militarily weak and somewhat paranoid about the CA so they become a protectorate of Lancaster on the grounds that they'd rather answer to them then the Irish, and the south-east of Staffordshire would've probably had to deal with the TBA making a nuisance of themselves a few times but I'm pretty much stumped about everywhere else.Tessitore 17:54, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Good idea. I think I'll mix it with an idea I had, where while eastern Cheshire is rather suspicious of the CA, seeing them as opportunistic Irishmen, they did do business with them. Cue a Lancastrian merchant finding out where the CA was getting a lot of the salt Lancaster was buying off them from and deciding to go straight to the source. Trade links lead to diplomatic relations and improved transport links. As for Lancaster taking over, how does a combination of Cheshire having somewhat poor leadership (corruption, incompetence, infighting, take your pick) and the CA getting a bit pushy (or at least, seeming that way to somewhat paranoid Cheshire inhabitants) leading to a referendum supporting becoming part of Lancaster sound?Tessitore 22:50, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. That might work. I'll have to faff about with Google maps for a bit first to work out the best route though. As for Matlock, I'll have a word with its editor but it's actually been part of my plans for a while, namely that since its various lowlifes have probably been making a pest of themselves, one of Lancaster's 'selling points' for the areas on the other side of the border from Matlock would be that they've got the resources to deter said lowlifes. Tessitore 18:08, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure if Lancaster will actually 'rid the area' of Matlock. Depending on what Matlock's editor thinks and how much of an annoyance it is, Lancaster's response could be anything from "if you want to act like a bunch of degenerates, then fine, just keep it on your side of the border or else" to "time to cut out the rot". Either way, it's in the future, I've got a lot that needs sorting out before then.Tessitore 19:54, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Egypt
Would it be all right for me to take over it for you, at least until you come back? I'd rather not adopt it, but I'll do that if its what you'd prefer. Lordganon 07:45, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Will do. Any events you have "scheduled" or the like I should be aware of, or near-future plans? Lordganon 18:56, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Will do. Lordganon 19:43, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Japan and Libya
Can I adopt your Japan and Libya articles? Caeruleus 19:05, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. Caeruleus 16:05, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

East Coast Mainline
What are your thoughts on the East Coast Mainline post i made?Vegas adict 17:28, September 16, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure about a company between all the OBN nations. Obviously Federal Railways (Southern England), Clevish Rail, Northumbian Railways, Lancastrian Railways and Celtic Rail would all be involved because their the nations with the largest internal railways and with the capacity to produce their own locomotives but Woodbridge, Essex and Newholand don't have the same capacity and their only investment (if their was any) would be the track. P.S how do you think train switchovers would work, I was thinking that a Federal Railway's West Country Pacific or Class 9 could take it to the Newholandish capital where it could change for a clevish A1 with another change in the Celtic Alliance (Probably for some sort of diesel)Vegas adict 10:25, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

The USSR
I would Like to Adopt this page. if its ok with you.Martin1983 09:22, October 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Smoggy, the guy does English ala Owen, and doesn't get how things work overall. Have to recommend against that. Lordganon 09:38, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

West Norfolk
That'll be fine but it might be an idea to see if Woodbridge can get some sort of benefit from the deal Verence71 19:20, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure at the ,moment, I'll have to give it some thought Verence71 17:15, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

How about the chunk of the district south of a line going through Upwell and Downham Market?? Verence71 15:41, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

That sounds good to me.

So, in total I have that little chunk of West Norfolk plus East and South Cambridgeshire?? Verence71 16:06, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

It's not so much that Woodbridge "controls" the bit of Cambridgeshire in white but that they have placed a claim to the area for future expansion Verence71 18:24, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

A Small Request
I have recently been nominated to be a constable and was wondering if you wouldn't mind showing your support here. Sincere thanks. Hidan43vr 04:35, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

New London
Thought I'd chip into the discussion

Woodbridge's first meeting with another survivor state was with the CA outside London in 1999 so obviously they would have to have some sort of presence there at that time.

Of course whether that presence becomes New London is up for debate Verence71 15:33, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Doomsday Contributions
Hello there, I want to contribute to this TL. What articles do you think I should contribute to? RandomWriterGuy 19:02, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

INGAZ
I liked the way you've written about the gradual turn to civilian control

Woodbridge is doing something similar

The "New Territories" is a general term for regions under Woodbridge control that are not yet part of Woodbridge proper. These are: As yet Woodbridge citizens in these areas do not elect MPs to the Parliament of Woodbridge. However in the next General Election they will be able to vote for Delegates who will act as non-voting representatives to Parliament Verence71 19:52, December 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * The Condominium of West Suffolk
 * South-West Norfolk
 * Eastern Cambridgeshire

Newolland
I restored it to the first edit you did today, before you had the problem.

What happened was that you accidentally clicked "rollback" instead of "undo." The feature rolls back all edits by the person rolled back until the last time a different person edited the article.

Lordganon 07:47, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Celtic Alliance
Hey Smoggy. I was just wondering since your pretty much in charge of the British in 1983: Doomsday if you'd mind taking care of the Celtic Alliance. As I'm not British I'm sure you'd be able to develop the article further. Get back to me when you can, Arstar 21:12, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Matlock
I'm afraid to say that for the life of me, I can't figure out why they'd need to. What harm is Matlock? Fegaxeyl 20:01, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but Matlock's never been up for expansion, it's just a city-state. The only 'expansion' in the area is building up the vague story I have for the area but it makes no real difference, ultimately. Fegaxeyl 19:37, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Lancastrian Expansion
That sounds okay to me. Given that a couple of those areas have people living in them, are we going to have to do the whole referendum thing and if so, when?Tessitore 19:52, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

16th June sounds okay. Should be enough time for Lancaster to go on a charm offensive and convince people to pick them over Cleveland.

As for LG, I pointed out that even if there isn't much that can be done with the area, there's nothing stopping us from calling dibs and deciding who owns what for the sake of it.Tessitore 22:29, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking salvaging as well, particuarly since in my head Lancaster has been treating the 'borderline' areas of Greater Manchester and the no-mans-land between them and the CA as their own personal copper mines for years.

Oh and thanks for posting the maps with the no-go areas circled. I know that it wasn't for my benefit but its helped me figure something out.Tessitore 19:09, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Eh, it's okay. If something is implausible it bugs the hell out of me so I'd rather not do anything that doesn't make sense anyway. Besides, it's not the first idea I've had to shelve.Tessitore 20:14, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations, Smog


You are the winner of the 2012 Stirling Award for Best Female Writer. Congrats, and may next year's awards treat you just as kindly! Lordganon 08:41, January 26, 2012 (UTC)