Talk:Kingdom of Northumbria (1983: Doomsday)

Kingdom of Northumbria
a nieghbour kingdom that i've written to link into Kingdom of Cleveland (1983: Doomsday) page, currently a work in progress--Smoggy80 11:37, October 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * I love the idea of the Lord Lieutenant coming to the aid of his people as the Kingdom collapses - makes for a great story, one of many compelling ones to come out of this ATL. And the new kingdom couldn't ask for a better royal seat!  A couple of minor points: first, that is a lot of bombs!  How could anything survive that's caught between themm?  Do you think their number should be reduced?  I'm not sure; it may be that the towns are far enough away that there's a "safe zone" around Alnwick that can form the nucleus of the kingdom.  Second, according to Wikipedia, Lord Hugh died in 1988 anyway; if he got premature radiation-induced cancer, that might have to move forward in time.  Third, will a royal marriage really result in the unification of the two kingdoms?  That feels so medieval - but then, this is a post-apocalyptic world.  But while Northumberland feels very much like a medieval kingdom, formed by the personal initiative and influence of the King, Cleveland feels much more modern and constitutional.  The Queen, after all, was more-or-less invited to the throne, wasn't she?  The country of Cleveland itself seems to have been formed by the people rather than by one powerful person.


 * Then again, they might be looking to unite anyhow, and the marriage just provides a way to seal the deal. Oh - did Cleveland and Northumbria design their flags independently?  They're very similar (both being based on the same old banner); has this caused confusion?  Was it deliberate?


 * Finally, it appears that the Percy family are Dukes, not Earls, of Northumberland.


 * I think that Henry is the perfect sort of person to declare the re-creation of Northumbria. From what little I just read about him, he seemed like a flamboyant, unpredictable sort of peer, just the type to resurrect medieval Saxon imagery.


 * Final question: what is the relationship of the two kingdoms to the Celtic Alliance?   The CA might very well see them the way Canada sees Saguenay, an inconvenient local power interfering with their resettlement of the country.


 * Wes hal! Benkarnell 00:54, October 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * It's been well over a month since Smoggy wrote this, and I think it's pretty clear that he has not been able to edit the page or answer to the comments I had. What do we do when someone makes a proposal but goes inactive without joining the discussion?  I'd be against graduating the article as is, because of some unanswered questions of mine.  But just tagging it "obsolete" seems too harsh, since I think we all agree that the basic plan for Northumbria is OK - it's just some of the details I have minor problems with.  What does everyone think? Benkarnell 17:23, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * I would suggest just leaving it as a proposal and archiving this section. Also message Smoggy and hopefully he will show up.  Anytime you leave a message on someone's talk page they get an email so he is bound to notice.  Mitro 18:52, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * I left Smoggy a talkpage message a week or so ago. Benkarnell 23:30, November 15, 2009 (UTC)