User talk:Mr.Xeight

WEW
You were talking about moving our history stuff here?Airiph-althist 03:19, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. Nvm, we hve our own private website. All of people here are helping us fine tune what we've got on groups.yahoo.com/ They all worked on how to make the CSA happen and are working on how the Byzantine Empire was able to survive on the site. Mr.Xeight 03:21, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I found your mapAiriph-althist 03:24, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

That one's old. I'm making one now. China's completely different. I don't want to spoil the surprise. Lot more African free states too. Mr.Xeight 03:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

AS long as my Cape towns stay EXACTLY the sameAiriph-althist 03:27, 25 June 2008 (UTC) I told you, IT'S BIGGER. My eyes are going I can't get it the same so I just expanded it. Mr.Xeight 03:27, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Then you make it close Ill edit itAiriph-althist 03:28, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Small pages
What about the small pages you started, like Japanese Empire? --Max Sinister 13:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * What about them?--Mr.Xeight 18:35, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, they don't have anything of content besides some (admittedly nice) flags. Why don't you add some text to it, and a timeline? Are they supposed to exist in the same world?--Max Sinister 10:49, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * BTW - your TL The Commonwealth of Nations is pretty short either. If you are still interested in writing this AltHist you are given four weeks time to let us know and to start writing on, otherwise it will be deleted.--Max Sinister 11:11, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Well I've got too much on my plate, atm :( So for now I think it would be better if I save the flags to one page (the Byzantine's page isn't too short is it?) and come back in the future. Sorry. Hope to be back soon. Mr.Xeight 01:41, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

New America
Eastern America

Quebec
how loyal it stays depend largely on what happen in France itself. *Here*, many people were horrified when they learned that the king had been executed leading me to believe that they would have probably fought against the republicans had they had not been conquered.Priests, who used to hold a lot of power in the province used to say that the motherland was royalist France not the republican one. Its hard to say if they would have won thought, on one hand the government of France would have had to send lots of troops to quell the insurgency and great-britain might have taken this as an excuse to re-invade Canada. On the other hand you didn't have that many people inhabiting the colony.

If however the government had stayed royalist, you probably would have a pretty loyal province.--Marcpasquin 13:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

heh heh... I guess "assasinators" isn't very good grammar eh? XDUnforgiveable 01:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

EtP: Byzantines
I think I may have found their key to survival in EtP, and it comes from a much stronger Muslim Spain. The Emirate of conquers southern France sometime in the 1100s. The massive European effort to unseat the Muslims in France would mean a totally different course for the Crusades, and the bizarre Constantinople adventure of the 1200s would likely not have happened. That does still leave the Ottomans to contend with farther down the road, but I think EtP will have a strong vibrant East Rome well into the 1400s, at least. Benkarnell 20:06, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Maybe they could survive. If the war was to fan the hatreds of Christians & Muslims even more, that would mean aggression on both sides. Now who would have more soldiers fort their faction, the Middle East, or all of Orthodox & Catholic forces working seperately but for the same goal of the destruction of the Ottomans & Islam. If it so bad, Israel itself could be more influenced by Europe. Mr.Xeight 23:34, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Huh, you're right about the aggression. Certainly in the new Crusader kingdoms of France: sort of a "Gallic Inquisition" in the 1200s.  I'll have to pursue that Crusade in more detail before I can know how the later ones turn out.  But I definitely like the idea of no Fourth Crusade to Constantinople.  Assuming the Ottomans would still come to power later, the Byzantines would at least still be united, and Greece wouldn't be peppered with miniature despotates and Italian colonies.  I don't think that the crusade in France would necessarily lead to more fanaticism among the Greeks or Turks, though - but probably among the French Christians and Spanish Muslims.  Benkarnell 02:06, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

But one key factor in the Spanish Inquisition (we're reading The Pit and the Pendulum for Halloween tomorrow so I found out today) is the Spanish saw what happened to Greece and thought along the lines that "These guys are Muslims & Jewish too. That means they're Ottomans and working with them!". Of course there were dozens of other factors, just curious. Of course if we play this very right, could Greece evolve into (albet) (very) small colonial empire in the 1800s? Mr.Xeight 23:40, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Oy, I'm still sooo far from that point :D. All I can say is that EtP will have next to nothing that resembles OTL colonialism.  The Norse are colonizing America in earnest from 1100, but they mainly establish settlements and, later, kingdoms that are independent... it is the 1100s, after all.  German merchants will follow in the later medieval era, and by then Arab merchants of Andalusia might be sailing around as well, I don't really know.  So the colony building going on is more about trade than anything else, and it's not really controlled by anybody.  Medieval Greece/Byzantium was a fairly important exporter even in OTL when the empire was falling apart, so you can bet that a lot of Greek trade goods made it to America.  But I don't believe they were heavily into sailing at that point, were they?


 * After c. 1500 I don't even want to speculate, since by then _everything_ will be so totally different. Benkarnell 02:18, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * [EDIT]: And I didn't know that about the Inquisition, so I suppose Crusader Gallia couldn't be _exactly_ like Inquisition Spain. And I know that medieval southern France was OTL a very complicated place, religion-wise.  There were a couple of major monastic movements, plus the Cathars (I don't even actuallly know what they believed yet), plus the Waldensians (ditto).  Adding a Muslim conquest and a full-blown Crusade to that mix... look out, I guess.  Benkarnell 04:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I've added a little section at Eleventh Century (Ethelred the Pious). I don't think that anything can happen to change the Battle of Manzikert (1071 is too early for any changes to drift that way). But events in France will definitely change the course of the Crusades, so we won't have Venetians taking the Empire over. Benkarnell 21:50, 8 November 2008 (UTC)



Re:German
I speak German... slowly and painfully, but I can do it online OK. Do you need a hand with something? Benkarnell 05:20, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Have you ever seen one of those signs that tell you're entering the borders of like a city, state, nation etc. I was wondering how would you say "Welcome to the Byzantine Empire" in German? Mr.Xeight 05:28, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Most German signs just say the name of the place you're entering: "Bundesrepublik Deutschland", "Freistaat Bayern", "Berlin", etc. "Now entering Greece" would probably be "Sie treten in das Byzantinisches (or Griechisches) Reich".  "Welcome" would be "Wilkommen in das Byzantinisches/Griechisches Reich".  Benkarnell 17:27, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Just my two cents: That's not correct German (I'm from Germany). This should rather be "Sie betreten nun das Byzantinische/Griechische Reich" and "Willkommen im Byzantinischen/Griechischen Reich". Declination, casi, you know.--Max Sinister 12:59, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

So really the sign would just be Byzantinisches Reich. Thanks! What's in-store for the German Empire in EtP? Mr.Xeight 18:46, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The Gallic Crusade (in southern France, mid-to-late-1100s) is currently just some doodled maps. But if all goes the way I'm imagining, medieval France disintegrates, with the eastern parts joining the Holy Roman Empire.  That would make "Germany" even more unweildy.  So who knows?  Benkarnell 19:07, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

PS-1 Kerenaike
Could you post something on our thread on alternatehistory.net about Kerenaike first before posting an article? I just want to make sure that everything doesn't conflict with each other, and the easiest way to do that is to post on this thread: http://alternatehistory.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=109543

Oh yeah sure. Sorry about that. Mr.Xeight 01:20, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Help
Looking for a person with an immense amount of knowledge on France, or at least a native of France or the Francophone nations. Mr.Xeight 21:27, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * what do you need ? --Marcpasquin 18:03, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Franz Lives!
I am working on Franz Lives!, a scenario where Gavrilo Princip's gun malfunctions and thus Franz Ferdinand lives. Could you help? Buk5 21:29, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

What do you need help with? Mr.Xeight 21:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Just on the Great war, the Russian constitution laid down by Alexei, the Nations in the Space race etc. I am just trying for a less ASB version of princip arrest. Buk5 21:37, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah, sure. Any special plans for any nations? Mr.Xeight 01:36, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

IB.Greece
Do you still keep up with Conculture discussions? The idea of Greeks in Florida has again been floated, take a look: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/conculture/message/32638. If you're interested in sketching the details of a plan, now is a good time for it. Benkarnell 03:28, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Inca flag
sure, just send me the original and I'll see what I can do --Marcpasquin 12:52, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Mexique
They few difference this would cause in my mind is:


 * a possible escape route for the nobles of France during the revolution
 * a better relationship with the natives as the french didn't have the equivalent of the conquistadors
 * possibly a few major infrastructure projects in the metropole
 * more blacks in mexico with the importation of slave to work in mines and plantation (the french would probably not use the natives)

--Marcpasquin 18:03, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

What would France call Mexico? I was thinking of making a TL where Napoleon does no go for Russia, but quits while it's ahead, taking everything west of the Confederation of the Rhine, and making everything west of Prussia a puppet states. This and of course much earlier breakaways with France owning Mexico and the Carribean.


 * I'm not sure what exactly this concept of French Mexico is about, but originally the letter x in Mexico did stand for sh-sound (there was no better way to express this sound in Spanish, see Name of Mexico). Therefore the French would spell it Mechique or something crazy like Mechiqueaux if you want to preserve the last vowel of the Nahuatl name. (Whoah, "Mechiqueaux"! I like it!) — Hellerick [[Image:Flag of Divnogorsk.svg|20px]] 18:10, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks I just thought I could slide by with a translation :) The French Mexico goes with my Chinese Empire thing. I just have one question, how would you pronounced Mechiqueax (Mexico?) and Mechique? (Mecheek?). I really have no knowledge of the French language at all, everything I do doing with France I named is via Google Translation Mr.Xeight 19:12, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Another little snag I've hit is changing in naming influential people in Mexico and South America. Their names obviously have to change since Spain was not the leader of Mexico & Central America. Another thing is what would mestizos and mulattos be called?

I think changing Mexico to a French nation is too much of an undertaking. Mr.Xeight 19:24, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Uh, your French is that bad? I don't speak it either, but I can read it at least. The correct name of Mexico in Nahuatl is "Meshiko", both English /meksiko/ and Spanish /mekhiko/ are results of misconception of the letter "x" in it. (BTW, the same goes for "Texas".) "Mechiqueaux" is how you spell in French something which is supposed to be pronounced /meshiko/ (and its adjective form would be "Mechiquelais", /me-shi-ke-le/). Actually the French have too many variants to spell the syllable /ko/, the shortest of them is "co", the longest of them is "queault", you can choose any of them. Anyway, since French Mexico never had letter "x" in its name, it's obvious that in could not appear in its "Anglosized" variant (I guess you meant "Anglicized"). — Hellerick [[Image:Flag of Divnogorsk.svg|20px]] 14:47, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


 * mestizos and mulattos would be called, respectively, métis and mulâtre.--Marcpasquin 16:12, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Greater France
To be able to have a socialist government under a monarchy, your best bet is to get inspired by some one party communistic government *here* who had a one leader-for-life like yugoslavia.--Marcpasquin 16:12, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

PS-1 Greece
Can you point me to a link to the PS-1 page you mean? I haven't followed that at all beyond my own 2 little countries, and even then I have no idea what sorts of wars they've been put into by the regular writers. What went wrong? Was it like IB, where at first you just made it too intense, too much, too fast?

I don't think the ancient Greeks used flags really. I think that the Vergina Sun on the Macedonian flag has been connected to the ancient kings of Macedon, including Philip the father of Alexander. It seems that ancient Athens' symbol was an Owl, which appeared on the coins throughout their empire. Coins in general might be a good place to look for symbols of ancient cities and kings and so forth. There are tons of ancient coin pictures online. Benkarnell 04:20, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

To let you know
In [War of Die Welt]] the actual Japanese Supranational alliance is Japanese SPhere.--Jakezing2 23:57, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah, sorry about that. Mr.Xeight 00:46, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

thanks for letting me now
--Owen1983 21:12, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

VC's Cyrenika
Yes, it's in Afrika, but as of 2005, in VC it was held by the Greeks. --Louisiannan 22:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)



Ah sorry, I should have looked at how other nations' colonies were filed. By the way, would you mind if I pitched some ideas to you for VC's Greece and Cyrenaica? Mr.Xeight 21:24, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Pitch away -- but keep in mind that I see Greece largely following our Greece's path. --Louisiannan 14:06, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

British Republic Idea
The concept sounds good it would be my pleasure to contribute.Remeber that Scotland came the nearest it ever has to Socialist revolution just after WW1 and that was after winning it,imagine what might happen if we lost. Red guy ~2 08:53, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for actually listening :)! I suggested Scottish independence on a site called Alternate History in which British-held Celtic lands formed into a federation. A rather rude, anti-communist (his username was "I Blame Communism") Scotsman said that all my ideas were pure stupidity. He said that British nationalism was so set into Scottish and Welsh society that seperating them from Britain I might as well have pigs flying through the streets of Edinburgh or Cardiff. I read that the Scottish Socialist Party was a huge advocate of Scottish Independence. I'd like to learn more about Scotland's socialist revolution. Mr.Xeight 23:09, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Would the Treaty of Versailles even bother with the the areas that make up the UK and Ireland? Or once England's colonies have been divied up or set free they wouldn't care much about anything else. Yeh Im a frequent used of Alternate History,look me up im called The Red.Btw I get along quite well with I Blame Communism and I can tell you that his names a joke he doesnt go all out on anti-communism.But I dont think your idea for a Celtic Federation is very feasible,an alliance perhaps or a customs union makes sense though.

Scotlands encounter with Socialist Revolution climaxed on "Bloody Friday" where a General strike in Glasgow led to tanks being deployed on George Square.Of course with a much worse economic situation this could evolve into something much more violent.

Also remember the the SSP are a bit of a fringe party,but yes they do support independence,Any socialist revolution would be localised to Scotland with little chance of it spreading south so yes there would be independence. Red guy ~2 09:33, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

If Scotland does receive independence, what would you say to Northern Ireland and Wales, both still British controlled? I very much doubt the Protestant Northern Irish would very much want to be part of the same country as their southern Catholic not-so-brethren. Mr.Xeight 16:46, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Ireland will probably be same as OTL unless theres some sort of term where all of Ireland needs to be granted independence,which there might be :p.Welsh independence just isnt happening,unless theres some massive catastrophe or its a term which it probably wouldnt be remember that even in the 90s a referendum for a bit devolution for Wales barely through on the Welsh vote.

Red guy ~2 19:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Fero
I know that his english ability is bothersome to you -- but you still should play nice and not delete his message. --Louisiannan 14:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Why (not to be to you of course, Dan; you've been nothing but help for me on this site and IB)? He has listened to literally nothing I've said. Besides just as in our world the events the days before DD were rumors though in this world they've been adopted as canon, so too is the fact that Cyprus was spared from nuclear explosions. Mr.Xeight 14:09, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

nowiki
If I may ask, why do you keep putting the "nowiki" marks around your links? That is probably why the double brackets aren't working. Mitro 19:48, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry; what are those? Mr.Xeight 19:50, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Try editing your user page, you should see them around the Confederation of Greek link you tried to make. Mitro 19:52, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

New
I don't think I suggested dropping the new, I though you wanted them to be named new? No biggie, name them what you like. Mitro 22:40, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Name calling
Even if you despise someone, there is no need for name calling. Just ignore the bugger if you can otherwise show that you are the better man and avoid insults.--Marcpasquin 14:48, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I understand. Would you care for me to apologize, I think I'm ready to if the wikia needs. Mr.Xeight 19:07, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey Brian
Hey man, this is the only place i can find you and the wowwiki people hate it when we spam the talk pages but mind getting back on ? airiph-althist 02:12, 24 June 2009 (UTC) ...Wow, that kinda sound gay...ick!

I'd be glad to help; but you do know that "Brian" is one of my many pseudonyms, right? :) Ioannis/John is my real name, with Constantine, Brian, Mr. X8, Mr. Xeight, and many others being my pen-names. Mr.Xeight 14:47, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Meh I'll call you a lot. Not to sound impatient but are you going to reply on that site? airiph-althist 14:59, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Flags
Hey Ioannis, whats the reasoning behind changing the colours of the egyptian flag? and why readopt the lybian monarchist flag ? --Marcpasquin 14:48, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I thought of changing the the colors of the Egyptian flag to "more Greek-friendly" colors. Though if that doesn't actually make sense, would adding "The Republic of Egypt" in Greek? As for Libya; they were more pressured into dominance by the Moreons, they led an expedition into North Africa without the rest of the GC and any salvagable land they took for themselves, with the Despot's nephew as king of this new land. Mr.Xeight 16:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * if egypt is a mandate, maybe the could do like other mandatees have done in the past and simply add their flag in canton

like in this example (I've also added the greek name below the eagle)--Marcpasquin 16:41, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

New Britain
I've altered the History a tad. If you could check through and tell me any alterations I should make on the talk page I would be much obliged. Bob 14:45, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Apology
I apologize for any trouble and/or stress I have caused anyone in my 1 year and a bit I've been here. I made a major mistake, I eschewed quality, and replaced it with mere quantity. The complaints about my quality are of course, completely accurate. I am only sorry that I am a cause of any stress to others. I will freely admit that I was ignorant of the standards that were expected of the work I created, this is wholly my fault, and I do apologize. As you can probably tell, English is not my first language (I am a teen-ager learning it at school), I was using this wiki to practice making readable sentences. As this is not, and never was, the purpose of this wiki, I misused this public idea-sharing space. Ladon 23:15, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
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No, Ladon, the fault is mine.
 * Who am I to judge? Just because your stories aren't my favorites doesn't mean a thing. I'm sure the Chinese replacing the Mongols because of Genghis Khan's death is highly fantastical, some other Mongol would rise up in his place. There's no standard, only users who never find happiness in the world such as me. If you're leaving because of my rant, I implore you to stay. Who are any of us, who am I to judge? You didn't misuse, if anyone did it was me. This site is for people to have fun dreaming of what could have been, not for new people to create stories, only to be smashed by people who have a greater knowledge of history.
 * And if you want to see wasted space, go to Groups.Yahoo, search for the conculture group, then search Greece. There you'll find wasted space.
 * BTW, what country do you live in?

Mr.Xeight 23:36, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Your comment about Greece
I've just read ur comment about what about Greece in the Aztec Empire timeline (I think that the commen is from March or May..hehe)......I've no time....so....I was thinking if u can help me creating other nations profiles in the Aztec Empire Timeline--Ed9306 16:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Sure. My specialty (in my opinion :D) is SE Europe but I'd be glad to help you with any nations you like. Mr.Xeight 16:35, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Your idea in of Greece in this timeline seems preetty good to me......thank u so much--Ed9306 19:15, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

No problem, if you have any other nations you'd like to flesh out, don't hesitate to ask me, I love this kind of stuff :)

I you don't mind, I'd like to find a monarch to replace the Republic's President, maybe design a flag, and even figure out what areas it controls. I was also wondering; could the Aztec Empire be the one of the first to recognize the new nation? Not they'd have to do anything I was envisioning it much like our world's American Independence. The first nation to recognize the US was Morrocco, a nation that had little-to-no historical contact with the British colonies in America, and did not contribute anything to the war effort. The only thing the Aztecs would gain is another friendly nation in Europe, likewise the Greeks would get a nation they're good terms with in the Americas. Otherwise it's just a symbolic measure. Mr.Xeight 19:40, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I figured out that Petros Mavromichalis would rise to power in the First Hellenic Republic, as for who would replace his family at the Congress of Vienna, I don't know. Maybe they just decide to keep the family as the rulers, but marry him into some European blood. Mr.Xeight 01:35, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Well.......About the Greek goverment, you must decide all the details....because you are the specialist (hehe).......About the French participation during the war, well, it can be for the same objective of Russia and UK, to dismantle the Ottoman Empire.........About Greek colonies, I think that Greek colonies in Africa would be more credible for a nation that has just been born, and without much power, as well as having close enough to Africa in order to colonize it; and also that Asia is too far (don't you think?)--Ed9306 21:17, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback, would you mind if I made a page for AE Greece? Mr.Xeight 22:03, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Sure.......create the page...--Ed9306 23:00, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Nomination
Thanks. Mitro 19:08, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Flag
I've uploaded a corrected version of the egyptian mandate flag--Marcpasquin 19:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

hey you got problem im not going to copying from wikia anymore


 * You do not have to apologize, as some of the criticisms were justified. There is every right to question why civilization would exist in a city that has been completely and totally decimated. The idea is that, while people do live outside of the city during the first couple of years, the breakdown of law and order, along with rouge elements and bandits, drives people into the safe, yet unhealthy, conditions of former Chicago. This also results in an increasing difficulty in retrieving supplies and resources, due to almost the entire population living within the city itself. The infamous three mobs eventually form, providing security for different quarters of the city and ensuring that supplies keep flowing in, but at the same time attacking supply lines of the others. This Civil War continues until the intervention by Superior.

Superior does not annex the territory because the people do not want them there. It is kind of like relations between Iraq and the US; they are happy that we liberated them, but they do not want us to stay. Plus, Superior is already having trouble maintaining connections between the states and all of its different colonies; it does not want a massive state almost totally disconnected from the Republic.

The flag was a screw-up, and that will be fixed, though I will mainly change the color-scheme, not the design. Basically, the “red” bars symbolize the blood that was lost during the “mob wars” in the three sections of the city. The “blue” bars are the bodies of water that divide the city. The stars historically represent different times in the city’s history, though I probably should add two more. The gold star, however, represents the city’s rebirth, and the founding of the Republic of Lincoln.

The coat of arms was adopted through a referendum in honor of the ancestry of most of the Republic’s inhabitants. The compromise was that the Harp not be put upon the nation’s flag, as many state officials had originally desired to do, and I wanted to do.

I would like to discuss it in greater detail with you and whoever else lives in that area. Lahbas 04:42, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

House of Bourbon-Grecia
it would probably look something like this with the inescutcheon being defeced to show wich branch of the bourbon it came from.
 * for the flag, Iwould recommande the plain white cross on blue. Have you decided which bourbon house has married into the royal familly ?--Marcpasquin 14:57, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I've actually decided that Greece is given independence after the battle of Orlov, and as such during the Congress of Vienna, Charles II is given the throne of Greece, his mother the Duchy of Lucca, and Empress Josephine taking Parma. After both his mother and Josephine pass on the title to him, he rules both the duchies and Greece. Though of course with Italian Unification, he loses both and now the House of Bourbon-Grecia is now the daughter house of Bourbon-Parma. Your idea got me to thinking about what to use, and I have a few sketches. BTW, would you think it's still likely Charles II would still marry the same woman he did *here*, or marry maybe someone like a Greek noblewoman? Mr.Xeight 19:42, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * from what I read, it doesn't seem to have been a marriage based on love, so anything is possible.--60.242.115.64 20:08, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Cryptic Rédaction
I have read this article Cryptic Rédaction i can understand and speak French anyways I read it i and sorry for bieng rude but what were you talking about are you trying to understand something in French I can Help you--Owen1983 00:10, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

That message was private; which is why I wrote it in French. I don't really understand what you're trying to say, but if you can read French you'd know I said "I'm using Google Translate, I can't speak a word of French". The phrase "Google Translate" in a message written in French is usually a big reds flag. Call my crazy, but methinks you don't speak French, only that you're trying to find out what it means. Even no French-speakers tell you, there are some things called "Babel Fish" and "Google Translate". They don't always take into account syntax, but they get the job done. Mr.Xeight 02:11, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

your right
I am getting tired of this its just pointlesss I haave nothing against Dan he is a valued editor and an Admon everyone neeeds to chill out --Owen1983 16:21, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Regarding New Chicago

 * Following the temporary shelving of the Republic of Lincoln, I had created a substitute in the Republic of Superior’s history, known as the Republic of Wisconsin, based out of Madison (I was hoping for a different name, but there are no others for the region, and control extends out of Madison itself). Therefore, I am not sure if this is going to conflict with your idea. Quincy had been regarded to me before as a possible location in Illinois itself. The only major problem I see to it is, depending on the time they get up there, they may be picked up by RSA patrols along the border of the Republic of Superior (which is debatable, after all, it is lines drawn on a map, always differing from one map to the next). In that case, they would be transferred to one of the many refugee camps set up along the Western Border. However, I would like to see you develop your idea further anyway, as, considering the proposed size, it would be relatively small town of a couple hundred people, maybe a couple thousand, and there is the chance they were never noticed until later. The RSREF (Republic of Superior Expeditionary Force) Wisconsin was entirely centered on Madison, and might have easily missed it. Lahbas 01:59, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

That sounds great, which is what I was going for. I was thinking about a sort of flag of Chicago being made from old jeans for the blue, cotton T-shirts for the white, and bits of red cloth for the stars. But as far the the proposal goes, all I want is a small town with as you said, no less than 300 and more than 3,000 inhabitants, some descendants from the bombing survivors, some from the Northwooods inhabitants that allowed the Chicagoans into their home. Do you know when the RSREF will happen onto the self-sufficient city? Mr.Xeight 02:31, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

is actually just what I was looking for; a small fort with a timber wall in a drab, coldish climate. I have to raise two concerns; one, is that copyright infringement? Two, I'd need someone to turn the tiny British flag into a Chicago one; something that might be a mammoth undertaking since the flag seen is so tiny. Mr.Xeight 02:45, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * It is hard to see, but I have found closer pictures, and found that this is what it is (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:British-Red-Ensign-1707.svg) A British colonial flag flown over the United States before the Revolution. If you have inkscape, you can actually take this and manipulate it to a level that is unseen in most other programs, but the file has to be SVG, like the one I gave you. I especially love it when doing makes, as most mistakes you make cannot be seen unless you zoom in by 2000%.

Regarding copyright laws, I would just consider that all “pictures” mind you, not text, is in the public domain. If you mean the fort……..I highly doubt it. 

The Republic of Superior might come across it, but then it might not. We are going to have to debate that one, because almost all the colonization efforts are happening in the East, due to the Republic of Wisconsin, the North American Union, and Thunder Bay all being located to its West. As I said before, it could be something as simple as a patrol getting lost or moving off their charted path. Just pick up any map of the area you wish to put the “town”, “fort”, pinpoint where it would be, and then we will work out its possible discovery. Lahbas 03:52, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm... Oneida County, Wisconsin on the banks of the Chippewa River seems a good place, I doubt they'd have to worry about radiation there, the whole county has 36,000 thousand people as of 08-09, so it'd be even lower in the late 80s-early 90s so that might actually be an ideal place.
 * I just have a question; even if a car were to be hollowed out of the engine and anything else but the metal shell, seats, etc, would a small team of horses or cows be powerful enough to pull it?

Mr.Xeight 04:10, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

i think Oxen will be used like in medeival times they used to pull big wooden carts i think they have enouth strength to pull a hollowed out car --Owen1983 19:34, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I would assume so. Buses are also possible, but only with a large team of oxen, horses, etc. Where you will find that many horses or oxen is the real question, though this depends entirely upon how many people are making the initial move. Lahbas 18:51, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Greece in Franz's World
I've seen that you have edited a few of the articles in my new TL. I wonder if you would be interested in writing the Greece article for the TL since you are obviously interested in that nation. I foresee an eventual collapse of the Ottoman Empire after another Russian-Turkish war. Its likely that Britain, France, and Italy would intervene in the war to prevent Russia from taking all of the Middle East. Greece (which already got Macedonia after the Third Balkan War) would probably be given some territory along the Turkish coast, plus Thrace and Constantinople. Though Russia would most likely love to have it I think Britain wouldn't allow it, but Greece would be a good compromise. What do you think? Mitro 00:28, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Funny you should ask that.
 * I've been meaning to ask you for about a week now, but I'm sure you know how that goes; homework and all that. But yes, I'd be very happy to accept your offer and find your ideas interesting. In 2009, if Greece were to take control of E Thrace (European Turkey), Constantinople alone would more than double the population.

Mr.Xeight 20:56, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Greece in Finland Superpower
To answer your question earlier about Greece's position in the Finland Superpower world, I have set up a page for Greece, feel free to add anything to it. Iamtheggman 22:17, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I'd be much obliged, what do you see; a republic or kingdom? Mr.Xeight 22:20, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Republic: the people deposed of the kingdom, or monarchy, earlier than our timeline, in 1958 (instead of 1975). In 1960, Russia did an expansionist campaign, via though the Slavic countries, in order for the country to have a 'warm water port', something they had always wanted (they invaded Afghanistan trying to get that, in our timeline). When the Russians came across Greece in 1962, the people united against the invaders. They still lost half their territory, but remained independent, and a republic. Iamtheggman 22:37, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Aren't you going to work on it? (Greece (Finland Superpower)) Iamtheggman 21:58, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, this is going to be tough, Greece is the poorest country in Europe, and raising a poor nation out of poverty takes decades here. I was thinking of asking you if Greece could become a protectorate of Finland, maybe even a member state of its empire. Mr.Xeight 22:36, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's what I do, I copy off the history of a country from Wikipedia, then I read it (too get a good sense of how this nation ticks and works), then I compare it to my timeline, and see where everything fits, and then use the alternate timeline as a backbone for my country. For example, say one country declares war on several countries, I take a history file from one the countries, read it, and summarize the closest way of how that country would react in this war. It really works, as I have done massive pages in just hours of computer time. Try it! Iamtheggman 00:37, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Would you be up for a little bargaining? For instance, maybe Greece isn't a 3rd power as FS lists it as, and/or maybe even Cyprus joings Greece in an effort to combat the USSR? These are possibilities mind you, and I'm still supportive of a Finnish protectorateship. Mr.Xeight 01:52, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Cyprus was itself invaded by Soviet Union, since they thought with an island, they could invade it from all sides of the border. But, it did not work, a strong resistance formed and drove Soviet Union out. (This happened in 1972)


 * Greece isn't really a third power, considering its people are pretty well off for a nation that lost half its land and continuously repels minor invasions. This is basically what Greece has gone through:


 * Early people's revolution of the monarchy.
 * Invasion by Soviet Union
 * Half its land lost
 * Not a third power, but close.
 * (Also anything that's listed on the infobox)


 * Those are the guidelines, everything else is up for the imagination. Iamtheggman 23:11, September 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * I guess you're not going to work on it. Iamtheggman 00:00, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Well today was "national quiz day", so this week has been shere Hell. But I have been meaning to apologize, I haven't thought of anything productive in terms of FS Greece, just a designing a more republican-oriented flag. Mr.Xeight 00:44, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's okay, take your time. Iamtheggman 00:56, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

I have an idea for a flag...
 * I used the Byzantine Flag as my backbone, and I tried to stick "Victory or Death, With your shield or on it" into the white squares of the top left and bottom right cantons, but my computer just isn't cooperating today. Right now I just need to lie down now and start brainstorming a different approach.

Mr.Xeight 01:36, September 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * A Byzantine Flag sounds interesting, you can show me what you mean, when you're computer starts working.Iamtheggman 18:11, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

What I imagined was a Byzantine Flag-esque, I thought of red for revolutionaries lost, white for righteoussness and Orthodoxy, and gold for-well everyone loves the color gold. [EDIT] I just designed a very nice flag. I have the phrase "Niki EE Thanatos, Tan H Epi Tas" (Victory or Death, With It or On It" and St. George (who's really the patron saint of nearly every European country) in the center. The main flag is white, the writing is gold, and I'm trying to think howe to include red into it. I thought maybe the horse could be red, which was the color of Saint Thimitri's horse, but I don't actually remember what he's the patron saint of, etc. Mr.Xeight 21:46, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, you can put it on the articles infobox.Iamtheggman 23:33, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

I also had my first idea for FS Greece!
 * I see a rise in conservatism; afterall the most "liberal and politically superior" USSR invadaded and stole ancestral lands from Greece, why would they want any political idealogies similar to theirs? I'd have to change the president and PM, they're both from quite liberal parties.

Mr.Xeight 23:52, September 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * Go right ahead, you know more about Greece than I do. Feel free to add anything. Iamtheggman 06:15, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Idea?
If there was a greater Muslim (or maybe the Aragonese did not enter into personal, or France, basically any empire) threat to Spain, thus weakening it and not allowing to pay Columbus to sail to "Japan", would it be possible that the Aztecs were not conquered by the Spanish; but the British? Maybe after the defeat of the Spanish Armada in 1588 instead of Britain solidifying its naval power in the North Atlantic, they would be able to sail west of the established Indies and onto Aztec soil. Or maybe instead of this theory, the Spanish are routed once and for all on the Sad Night and post Sp. Armada defeat England decides its strong enough to take on the Aztecs.


 * Thoughts, comments, ideas, criticism?

Mr.Xeight 02:52, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Franz's World
My process of creating the history of the individual nation first and the TL second, means that I do not have a definite idea of what the world political situation is yet. If you have any specific questions I may be able to answer you. Also there will not be any World Wars in this TL, it is one of the major themese of this TL. I will take a look at Greece soon as well to see what you have done, I have just been busy as of late. Mitro 23:31, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I completely understand, I've been having one of the worst school years to date this year, and I'm drowning in homework. I'm sorry though, I didn't mean to pester you. Don't worry about looking into it, this is your TL, not mine, and I'm still thrilled you let me into it and giving virtually no constraints on my creative process :D Mr.Xeight 00:24, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Cyprus (1983: Doomsday)
Are you planning on doing anymore work on Cyprus (1983: Doomsday)? I'm trying to clear out the proposal category because of its size. Mitro 16:50, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Map of Franz's World
A world map would be nice, thanks. Here are the answers to some of your questions:


 * The Irish Free State does not include Northern Ireland, that is a part of the UK.
 * India does include those nations mentioned. See India.
 * Those other members of the IFB should be ok. If you think there may be other feel free to list them.
 * Korea and Taiwan are still a part of Japan.
 * Its actually called the "Pan-Asian League." Member include Japan (which controls Taiwan and Korea directly), Manchuria, Philippines, Siam, and Indochina.  I'm not sure if Indonesia and its neighbors might be members.  Feel free to add them if it makes sense.
 * Greece is a strong ally of Britain, I doubt anyone would want to war with it.
 * Russia in this universe is pretty much the pre-Revolution Russia though it has a few autonomous territories that should be mentioned. See the Timeline.
 * Tibet is independent. Also there will be a Uyghuristan.

Feel free to work the map in which way you think best. I will suggest corrections if I think it conflicts with the TL I am trying to create. Mitro 20:46, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Here are my comments and questions:
 * What is with the different color schemes for the Commonwealth nations. I think one shade for all of them is best.
 * Brazil will not control Uruguay. They haven't done so in OTL and I don't think history has change enough to make it likely.
 * As you pointed out the borders of Europe don't match the pre-WWI borders of Europe. If I may suggest, you might want to try this site for a good template map: http://www.lordsander.net/maps.htm
 * Austria-Hungary should control Bosnia.
 * Why did you choose those African territories to remain French?
 * Portugal colonies should be split between Germany and Britain, I plan for Portugal to go bankrupt and to have Germany and Britain carry out their plan to purchase the colonies.
 * Give South Africa all of Britain's South Africa territories.
 * Why does Ethiopia control Somalia?
 * Afghanistan would not be under Russian control. By the time of the POD it was already British influenced and I don't see that changing.

Mitro 22:28, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Iglesias ortodoxas en Chile
¿Has visto esta página?. Creo que te puede ayudar. --JorgeGG 02:39, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Name and Map
Is your name really John Constantine? Like the comic book character?

On another note, I saw your map and I have a few questions and comments but due to the late hour I am going to leave it for another day. Thanks again for your work. Mitro 05:35, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Yes it is, but I've never heard of anyone in a comic named "John Constantine", would you be able to tell me what comic it is? And I did notice some mistakes on there, such as Italy and Germany & Poland. 14:10, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Constantine. Mitro 18:40, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Historia alternativa
practicar, español, disfrutar historias alternas? porque no estas alla? dale tanto ingles me esta comiendo la cabeza, cree vareias historias en español, un poco de ayuda para hacerlas crecer vendrian muy bien. comenza un titulo nuevo en español (agrega Historia Alternativa a favoritos), algo q tengas en ingles aqui y sera un placer hacerlo crecer alli, posdata este mensaje a sido copiado y pegado asi que pùede tener mala redaccion, your spanish is not the problem. a good idea about your place in the world is welcome--Fero 18:59, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

sorry about the typo but You are begining to get on my nerves see here http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:1983:_Doomsday#Religion:_Unification_of_Orthodox.2FCatholic_Church_.3F

and here http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Mitro#It.27s_not_me.

Catholic Church
I noticed you marked it for deletion and you stated that nearly every world was spelled wrong there are no spelling mistakes The reason it was left is a user suggested reubfucation with the orthadox church I am interested in this idea so please remove the delete taf --Owen1983 17:29, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

That's the thing, Owen, you're wrong!
 * It's "Orthodox Church", not "orthadox cherch" or however the Hell you spelled it! You need to learn that you are really getting on the nerves of others. You know what I did when I realized I was a menace to various internet groups? I found someone who could help me so I didn't scream out whatever the Hell I wanted. You need to find one of those.

Mr.Xeight 23:36, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Revert?
Why did you revert my edit on 1983: Doomsday? All of those article had been graduated so I was listing them on the main page like ususal. Mitro 13:36, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Mitro, that's impossible. I would never do that, you know me; yet there it is, in my list of contributions. The only thing I can think of is that when I pressed the history tab (which I do frequently to read added material) I must have accidentally pressed "rollback". I'm so sorry for that, I had no intention. Mr.Xeight 14:13, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, I figured it was an accident but I wanted to double check in case I was mistaken. That rollback button can cause problems, I made a similar mistake on the WCRB news page.  Mitro 18:02, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Vostochny Cosmodrome
Umm,why did you revert the change? It's still a proposal and I wrote the article, I just added a link to a page previously mentioned--Vladivostok 16:45, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

MR X you should have asked vlad if he want the change to the article revertin before going ahead and messing with others work please revert the changes and ask next tim OK --Owen1983 17:02, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Vlad, that edit truly wasn't me. I've left a message on the main talk page explaining everything, and I'm truly sorry to whatever's been happening.
 * And Owen, shut up! You have no authority around here, no one respects you, and you've vandalized on your own free volition before!

Mr.Xeight 19:46, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, ok, no problem Mr.Xeight, I just couldn't figure out what I did wrong in the article, no harm done.--Vladivostok 21:18, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

please accept my apologie
mat told me about somone has got access to your account what i suggest you do is go here

Proposition
Hey Mr. Xeight. Well, from the looks of things you've resolved your security troubles :) That's really good to hear. Anyways, now that you're back, I have a small proposition for help with my the Superpowers timeline. I'll tell you more about it if you're interested. I'll tell you though it is definitely Greek related :) more specifically though, it has to do with the Greek language. Just contact me if you want to help. Red VS Blue 23:46, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

Wonderful. I've made a link to an Achaea page on the one of the Roman Empire, so that's ready for whenever you want to make the page :). Anyway, the Proposition I have is that I was wondering if you could make a Greek section for the Translations page. As I've said, Greek is a popular language for the upper and middle class in the TL and I figure many words would have come into common use, despite being still entirely Greek words. So kinda like how now we use Latin in everyday speech, like de jure or subpoena, even though we're still speaking English. You can add any terms you want, though keep in mind that this isn't a vocabulary for the language, just terms that are in use by Latin citizens. So pick words for whatever reason you want, historical significance, sounds interesting, you like the word, etc.

Oh, one more thing. I'm gonna be putting up a flag for the Roman Empire, and I'd like to hear your opinion on it.

Thank you very much for this. Red VS Blue 00:53, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm, these are words I've just thought of now. So, what do you think? Mr.Xeight 01:25, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Hrysostomos-which means "Gold-Mouth". I'd think it would have something to do with politics, maybe the Head-Senator in Rome, or of the Provinces. Like the US' Speaker of the House.
 * Kleftis/Kleftoi-It means thief. I'd picture this to be a slang word.
 * Presbyter-Used instead of "priest".
 * Ierapostolos-Used instead of "missionary", derived from the Greek word for "Apostle".

Oh, the flag, I'm so happy you asked!
 * I have to be quick so I apologize, I'd envision a red flag with a 2 headed Eagle (Rome and Constantinople, thought it may have to be 3 for Carthage), grasping the world in it's hand. The Palaiologos Crest on Wikipedia is close to what I imagine, and the Flag of the Greek Orthodox Church as well. In one hand you could have the world, and the other the sword. Oh and instead of the Byzantine Empire style crown, I'd think a gold laurel-wreath that the average person associates with Emperors might be best. Good luck! I might suggest purple, but that's too somber of a color for me.

Mr.Xeight 01:30, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Ok. I'll put up the Greek section for the Translations page as soon as possible, and I'll add those, and any other words you happen to think of :) haha well by opinion on the flag I meant the one I had made already :P Still, I really like the ideas you've got there. I'll try to apply them as best as possible, though I'm using Paint so it'll be a bit of challenge to say the least lol. Your suggestion about the eagle is perfect though cause I was thinking the eagle in my flag was too bland, and needed some kind of distinguishing feature. Thanks again :) Red VS Blue 01:57, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Im glad your back Mr X
great news that a well respected editor has returned to 1983 Doomsday --Owen1983 22:41, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Anon edits
Anon edits shouldn't be reverted just because they were made by an anon. For example, the Kurdistan article in 1983: Doomsday was empty. As long as the person follows the editorial guidelines they should be allowed to edit. Now if they were to change established canon, such as how that same anon did to Egypt, that is a whole other story. Mitro 15:14, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * Whoa slow down there Mr. X. Some of those edits you reverted on Egypt were Louis' and furthermore I kind of agree with the anon.  I really don't think Israel would fire its nukes during or immediately after DD and the Israel article that was graduated to canon seems to support that idea.  I think we should discuss this first, hence why I marked it as a proposal.  Mitro 00:36, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't reply to your first edit, this holiday season has been Hell, you of all people know how Chicagoans and our weather can be.
 * If they're Dan's, I apologize. What I'm mad about is that a person who doesn't even take the time to create an account and establish himself to the community just charges in and makes edits he's discussed only with himself. You know I hate people like that; I myself could have just wrote a huge Greek empire ruling the Med with an iron fist, I could have written my idea of complete Greek subjugation of Sicily, but I did not; I discussed and fine-tuned my ideas and created a happier community. Until he establishes himself and gives us the courtesy, I'm more than content to undo his edits.


 * I've also been meaning to ask you; what's the technology's like in Franz's World? There's the old saying "Like the fella says, in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock.", which seems real with no World Wars. But you mentioned Japan overcompensated the small size of its empire with building technology, and the main page says that technology isn't so much behind us as it went a different way. Does FW have the iPod, the plasma screen TV, corner-shot weapons, etc? I'd also like to apologize for harrassing you about Greek colonies, my intention wasnever to make you uncomfortable, so I apologize again.

Mr.Xeight 00:56, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

I accept
I would love to help you with this Time-line. But expect me to be busy sometimes, as I have to work on homework and my own timeline as well.