Talk:Republic of Superior (1983: Doomsday)

It's the pictures that really make this. Where do they all come from? Benkarnell 22:59, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Most seem to be circa WWII. Mitro 03:21, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Population
Don't you think the population of Superior is a bit high? 7 million in this region, which according to this page, would be a hundredth of the world's population? For a nuked region, this is a bit high. --DarthEinstein 02:41, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes that is incredibly high, especially since the OTL population of the region is only 308,319. Even factoring in refugees, there is only so much the area can support.  Mitro 02:44, September 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * I understand if you believe it is to high, but 300,000?! The area's population was 240,000 when the bombs hit, and it wasn't seriously affected. Therefore, you are saying that 60,000 refugees entered the country during that time. I'll settle for a number between 4 million, but nothing else, or you remove the realism. For one, this included ALL settlements under the control of Superior, not just Territories and States. At the same time, refugees came from everywhere in the Great Lakes region, except the extreme Eastern portion. At the same time, I explained that the country is currently going through a baby boom, in large part due to the restriction, or rather discouragement, of abortion by the Republican Congress. Lahbas 03:07, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, so there are 240 000 when the bombs hit. After Doomsday, refugees start arriving, perhaps boosting the population to 600 000? Remember, not all refugees are heading to Superior. Also death rates are higher, so population is slow to increase. Thus a modern population of about 700 000 or 800 000 seems more likely to me. --DarthEinstein 03:33, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see how anything below 4 million is unrealistic. For one thing many of the territories controlled by Superior are areas that OTL are lightly populated as well.  Also lets just look at the numbers: in 2009 there is roughly one billion people alive in the post-Doomsday world.  That means 5 out of 6 people who should have been alive today aren't, and that ratio will be even higher in Superior and the rest of Northern Hemisphere.  Even factoring in the light damage, there is still radiation clouds from the west, disease, famine and social disorder that will take a significant percentage of life.  The infant mortality rate will also be high for a long time even if a baby boom happens later.  Refugees themselves might help keep the population level, but they are even more likely to die then Superior citizens, as refugees usually are prone to in history.  Also can the area that Superior control even logically support a population of 7 or even 4 million?  I doubt it.  Mitro 03:43, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it can support that many. Fishing is the main source of food, which does lead to problems with mercury within the blood early on. That is removed by the territories, which serve as the breadbaskets for the Republic, some upon land that is arable, and not heavily affected by any remaining fallout. Also, you have to remember the mindset of the refugees, who would know a lot about the general areas of nuclear placement. Silo's are to the West in unpopulated areas, so that is off limits. East is self-explainitory. South, also a no, because of military installations, oil, space centres, any major industrial sites, etc. So what does that leave? North, toward Canada, where it would be assumed that there the land should be largely untainted. The major result, however, is that many come across the Republic of Superior before-hand. Word spreads that American troops are somewhere in Michigan, a safe haven, the goverment remnent, whatever you want to call it. Anyway, refugees come from the entire Great Lakes Basin, though most from Ohio, Lower Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Ontario. Famine is a threat, but was eliminated before it could become realized. Social disorder itself only existed in the refugee camps such as Mackinaw City, and even there until it became organized into a territory and then state (including the emmigration back around the Basin). I agree though that infant mortality rates would be a problem, as medicine would likely have moved back for a while until contact can be made with the outside world. There were about 40 million Americans living in Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio, making 4 million in the Republic of Superior a realistic number, including some matter of growth by itself. If you still disagree, I suggest 3.6 million.

Motto
The motto of this country looks like it was translated by a bad internet translator. I'm not a Latin expert, but I know that "cinis" and "cineris" are the same word, and "orior oriri ortus" is definitely not a first person plural present verb, as they all end in -mus. --DarthEinstein 03:37, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Leauge of the United American States

 * Proposed orginasation by the National Republican Party, who is a major supporter of CRUSA. The proposal I plan on being put forth and passed by the Superian Congress, whereafter nations that make up the former United States meet to draft a League constitution. It will be of a similar structure to the European Union, but this is something that will be developed over a LONG time. Lahbas 18:42, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking that due to huge geographic distances and the generation that has grown only hearing stories about the old US of A, this would gain little traction with most of the survivors. Still, Superior is welcome to try. --DarthEinstein 20:49, November 16, 2009 (UTC)