Conclave of Kings (Principia Moderni II Map Game)

The Conclave of Kings of the Holy Roman Empire is perhaps the most important part of the Imperial government, responsible for electing the Emperor and admitting new states to the Empire. Every state has a representative.

Current Electors
These are the current electors at this time. The Bolded one is the state of the Emperor.
 * German States
 * Austria
 * Anhalt
 * Tyrolia
 * Saxony
 * Bavaria
 * Baden-Wurttemberg
 * Bohemia
 * Brandenburg
 * Burgundy
 * Calais
 * Pomerania
 * Saxony
 * Swixx Confederacy
 * Italian States
 * Milan
 * Savoy
 * Venice
 * Florence
 * Genoa
 * Greek States
 * Byzantium

Poland-Lithuanian Statehood (Opened by Austria)
This current issue is whether Poland and Lithuania should be allowed entry into the Empire. The Emperor suggests that if entry is permissable, the two regions be divided in needed to aid in governing.

Agree

 * Venice
 * Byzantium

Disagree

 * Brandenburg
 * Luxembourg
 * Bavaria
 * Milan

Discussion

 * Milan: Will this brings us problems with the Russians?
 * how would this effect our relations? I have been offered a most lucrative deal if Poland ever becomes an issue...
 * Too risky. Puts us on bad relations with the Russians, whose aid we will need in the future, and even worse with the Muslims, who will then use their war against Poland as the casus belli for attacking us. It also damages the relations of my nation(s) with the allies of my nation. I hereby give a negative vote on all acounts. ~ Wilhelm of Brandenburg, William of Aragon
 * Think about it, the HRE nearly doubles in size and the way the Russians are treating AgentMars is appalling. They also say if Agent joins the HRE, they will annex all of Lithuania. That will shut them down for an eon with revolts and uprisings. The Muslims are out of most of their territory but the CALIPHATE is now operating in Lithuania. Not only that but Venetian spies have picked up info that the Russians are seriously considering a plan to ALLY WITH THE CALIPH and attack the HRE, they didn't hesitate to backstab Poland so think about your alliances carefully - who exactly does that trade deal REALLY benefit; you or Novgorod? Isn't it weakening the Imperial Trade Guild and the Venetian Trade League? We also weaken Russian Othodox influence in Europe and allow the continuation of Greek Othodox and Roman Catholic healing to speed up with no Russian involvment. ~ Emperor Dimetri and Doge Pietro
 * Talking about AgentMars is meta gaming. Knowing that they will cooperate is metagaming. Poland was in their way of gaining a coast, and half of their trade depends on Brandenburg and the Hanseatic League. Orthodoxy is Orthodoxy, regardless of which variation. ~ BrandenAgon
 * As appealing as it is to double the size of the HRE. Doing so would put us at the mercy of the Caliphate AND Russia. As it stands now, we can defeat the Caliphate if attacked, but if we push Russia away, who would be able to secure the region? We need the Russians. I do agree that we must be wary, but I feel we do need them ~King Andreas II the Merciful, Sovereign of all Bavarias

Mongolian Statehood (Opened by Austria)
The Golden Khanate of the converted Mongols would prove to be an assest to represent Imperial interests in the Black Sea area, as well as supply our armed forces with excellent horses.

Agree

 * Austria
 * Tyrolia
 * Bavaria
 * Baden-Wurttemberg
 * Brandenburg
 * Luxembourg

War with Naples (Opened by Bavaria)
There is increasing fear that there will be a war between Naples and Venice, which ergo means, the rest of the HRE. Should we or should we not?

Favor

 * Brandenburg
 * Pomarania
 * Venice
 * Byzantium
 * Bavaria

Against

 * Milan
 * Genoa
 * Calais

Discussion

 * Aragon's territorial claims are being endangered, and it seeks vengeance for the 50 year old secession. Brandenburg and Luxembourg obviously support it. [[Image:IMPERIAL NY-SPQR 1.png|25px]][[Image:Regen Flag.png|30px|border]] Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 18:39, October 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * The Baleares never belong to Naples, a Mod just explain that to me. Quiari (talk) 00:25, October 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Naples is a Milanese ally, and I hope Venice (plus Aragon) and Naples will solve their problems throught negotiation.Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 21:03, October 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * I try see:
 * Hello, using a theme that is already open about me I would diplomatically solve the question of the Balkans. Venice is a great power (and also a major trading partner of Naples) and one of his vassals the Byzantine Empire has a great desire for expansion, your union with Epirus is a fact and there is no way to interfere there I do not wish to interfere, but otherwise serbia can not belong to your sphere of influence, your vassal would be bigger than you. The kingdom of Naples want expand into this realm, without interfering with your policy to the south and east of the Balkans ... In this war that comes between HRE and the Caliphate, the best thing for you would be to expand the Byzantine Empire to the east and recover the territories of the Ottomans. Epirus I think it's yours, in the same way that Albania can be incorporated into your empire I do not know whether or not easily, that's something we might see in the coming shifts. What do you say? Quiari ( talk ) 15:40, October 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to say anything. Just going to point out that Serbia doesn't have a coastline... (i asume he dont see Montenegro Quiari (talk) 00:25, October 9, 2012 (UTC)) You are free to try to take it but I fail to see how it will work. Scandinator ( talk ) 02:47, October 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Asti and Luxembourg are not electors (which means they are no members of the Conclave) and Aragon is not even part of the Empire. Besides that, we must convince Naples to find a pacific way out of the current sovereignity problem for the Bealeares, islands in which Naples has obviously no right of economy, culture nor history. The venetian intention to make war with Naples is just another imperialist attempt of the venetians to expand their influence and have an empire-inside-the-empire. -- Galaguerra1 (talk) 23:03, October 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Naples is noy asking for the Baleares anymore, one mod explainme that territory was never mine, sorry for that. Quiari (talk) 23:59, October 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * They seized the Despotate of Serbia, imprisoned Ektor's cousin and are crushing the Orthodox inhabitants under their heels. Byzantium wishes to protect their peoples and reunite the Southern Balkans. Scandinator (talk) 23:26, October 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * I went for Montenegro since I start the game ... When the Serbian player left, I start diplomacy there. Venice and the Byzantines in 2 or 3 turns annexed Epirus and Albania! 3 turns! is this really that easy to do??? And now they come and say that Serbia-Montenegro are of them ... Quiari (talk) 23:59, October 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Not only that, I have proof he is working with the Caliphate. See The High Imperial Court (Principia Moderni II Map Game) Scandinator (talk) 23:29, October 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Bitch, please... Quiari (talk) 23:59, October 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Naples is guilty of crimes against Christendom. We MUST act.Andr3w777 (talk) 23:30, October 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * No crime as you can see... Quiari (talk) 23:59, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

Future War with Prussia (Opened by Brandenburg)
Prussia remains a threat to the interests of Brandenburg, and as long as it stand, the Germans are hindered. Brandenburg proposes a future war with Prussia in the case that it becomes a pressing threat.

For

 * Bavaria(with provisions)
 * Baden-Wurttemberg(with provisions)

Against

 * Venice (costly, too far and isnt russia about to crush them?)
 * Byzantium

Decision
My provision that we attack ONLY if they become an increasing threat. I have heard of Russian plans to seize Prussia, Whether or not that is true, remains to be seen. We must play carefully in this matter, because the mods are threatening severe punishment on the HRE for continued conflicts. If possible, let us avoid war.Andr3w777 (talk) 22:51, October 8, 2012 (UTC)(Bavaria)