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National Parks
Could Someone create a page for the national parks of Doomsday? Both the ones established before and after Doomsday. I could imagine the site of the former US District of Columbia being turned into a National Park by Virginia. The mix of the restored/rebuilt famous bulidings (White House, Capital Building, Washington and Lincoln Memorials) and the vegetation would give the site an Angkor Wat-like air to it.

Supersonic91 04:23, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * They would keel over dead before they got to the blast site, from the radiation. --BrianD 04:27, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

of course, that doesn't keep them from declaring the area to be an "off limits national historic site"

in all honesty, national Parks don't make sense in a post doomsday world. The phrasing is obsolete, and survival is at the utmost. as a general rule, National parks are a western phenomen, (those that aren't in the west were made for west), and don't really help a nation to survive. something like a national park may exist, but outside of ANZC, I don't see who would have a "national Park". sorryDesert viking 04:33, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Fine. I could see the Virginians making DC a "National Historic Site". And one of the punishments in Virginia is hard labour in radioactive territory. Its how they got their infastructure back up so quickly.

Supersonic91 15:25, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Germany
Prussia is going to start moving west and south, and I wanted some input on which areas might have survived Doomsday. I made up a rough map of possible political boundaries down the road. This would be after the area has stabilized into more or less solid political units (how stable they are is up for debate). Nations in the map are: That map wouldn't be accurate until probably 2020 at least, but thats the basic idea. Right now Prussia is beginning to expand into its claimed territory, and will likely encounter Weimar and Northeim as they are beginning to solidify their control on their areas. The protestent churches in Hesse are further integrating into a single United Hessian Church and are acting a unifying influence on the surviving populace. The Württembergs in Ravensburg had been gathering a private army with their money and influence in order to keep the area safe for themselves and have been pressured into using it to tame the surrounding lands. The Rheinland Confederation is in its infancy, and Bavaria is undergoing reconstruction with aid from the Alpine Confederation. North Germany I would think is beginning to take control of the lands between their controlled regions. Anyone else want to add to this, rip it apart, etc? --Oerwinde 08:13, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Rheinland Confederation - An alliance of small municipalities and city states with a rotating capital
 * Northeim - A city state based out of the city of Northeim
 * Weimar - A city state based out of the city of Weimar
 * Hessen - A protestent theocratic republic
 * Franken - Northern Bavaria decides against joining the Alpine Confederation and becomes an independent republic
 * Saar - Small feudal nation, ruled by the Sheriff, who was head of a military unit that survived DD and was able to establish order through brute force and oaths of loyalty. Not evil, just does what he thinks needs to be done.
 * Württemberg - Constitutional Monarchy based out of Ravensburg.
 * Alpine Confederation - Southern Bavaria joins the Alpine Confederation in 2015.
 * Württemberg - Constitutional Monarchy based out of Ravensburg.
 * Alpine Confederation - Southern Bavaria joins the Alpine Confederation in 2015.

i like the idea. but i hop no one develops it to the extent of the nations shown in the map. as of 2009, Germany is in a very rough way. HAD 00:15, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes its in a really bad way right now, but we have 3 major nations now that will be a major stabilizing influence, either gobbling up territory, or uniting others so to not be gobbled up. Radiation isn't even a factor anymore. The map was only a guideline anyway, theres obviously room for more city states and such, though I would have the Alpine Federation, Prussia, and North Germany being the dominant.


 * Maybe the North German Foreign Office has made maps like this showing their vision for the next decade in Germany. (Prussia's Foreign Office probably has maps that look very different indeed ;-)) Now do all of these states exist right now in some form? They would all need some sort of justification, of course, to make sure everyone agrees with their creation. I personally have no problem with them. Probably Germany's map looks a lot like France or Spain - tiny permanent settlements that claim larger regions of the country. Benkarnell 14:57, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well Württemberg right now is only a small region surrounding Ravensburg. As momentum builds smaller communities join willingly and warlords surrender in exchange for amnesty. I figured it would be something similar to Prussia only on a smaller scale. The old royal family plays a major part in the establishment of the nation and in thanks the monarchy is restored, although in a similar role to modern monarchs. They wouldn't be established as a nation until about 2014-2018. Saar is well on its way, and the Rheinland Confederation will have begun forming in the south of the area in response from Saar aggression. Hessen doesn't exist yet, but the protestent church there is starting to band communities together. I would say possibly the outline of a nation sometime by 2016. Weimar and Northeim would exist but to a much lesser degree, probably only controlling a third or less of the territory on the map. Franken would be established sometime after the Bavarian vote in 2015 with joint aid from Prussia and the Alpine Confederation. --Oerwinde 20:04, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

North Germany in my perspective is heading for a Socialist rule. It seems that a socialist party would be able to gain a foothold with mass unemployment. I also think that North Germany and the Kingdom of Prussia may have a war on their hands. I think North Germany and Prussia would dived the land between themselves and the Alpine Confederation. Cheifaugust 23:19, January 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Prussia and N.Germany will have high tensions in the next couple months but the Prussian Reichstag will force King Christian to abdicate, and his son will be much more diplomatic.Oerwinde 19:55, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

mass unemployment doesn't normally lead to socialism. the UK had mass unemployment in the thirties and the communists only got one MP.HAD 18:19, January 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * About North Germany - wouldn't Schleswig-Holstein petition for admission to the Scandinavian Countries? Up until WWII it was part of Denmark, wasn't it? Louisiannan 16:46, January 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Prussia and Denmark fought over it for years, and Prussia won in the mid 1800s. Holstein always considered itself German, while Schleswig was divided. It was split between Germany and Denmark after a referendum following WWI in which Northern Schleswig voted 80% to join Denmark, and southern voted 80% to remain German. The North Germany article mentions Denmark seeking unification, but eventually that idea was scrapped.Oerwinde 10:26, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Kylie
would kylie manuige or whatev here name is still be alive?--HAD 19:44, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Probably not. She would have been 14 in 1983 and thus would probably have been living at home with her parents in Melbourne which was nuked on Doomsday Verence71 11:03, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's still possible she survived: a nuclear attack only kills a minority of people in a city, according to every projection I've seen. And remember that man who died last month who survived both Hiroshima and Nagasaki? We've been counting on close to 100% fatality because of the aftereffects, but those would be diminished in Australia where they could evacuate the survivors, food would still be plentiful, and most of the infrastructure survived. So we can probably assume a higher survival rate for the Australian attacks. Benkarnell 12:19, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

on the above note, the fatalities would depend on the city and the number of warheads that detonated, as well as their yeild. 4 SS-20 IRBMs, with 3 150KT warheads, would probably wipe out london, for example. my orginal point was that whe might become a popular eaintertaine if she suvived. or she might have not and become a doctor or a soilder or something. --HAD 14:36, February 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * The Minogues were brought up in Surrey Hills, a suburb of Melbourne about 14kms from the city centre. Would that make any difference to their chances of survival?? Verence71 15:23, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

yeah. thats quite far away. if a 1MT bomb detonated, she would have got 2nd degree burns. if a 100KT bomb detonated, she probably would have been unharmed. HAD 20:13, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

In 1983 both Minogue sisters were working in showbiz but Dannii was more famous than Kylie. It's not inconcievable that in a post-Doomsday Australia they could both still be working in the media Verence71 16:06, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

this has posibbilities. U2 and Kylie Minogue might be two of the biggest groups/singers in the world. Also, is there a chance that Ricky Martin of Living la Vida Loca fame might still be alive? --HAD 14:27, February 11, 2010 (UTC)