User:Andr3w777/Archive 2

Britanny
In a couple years, I'll have them split in a moderator event. LurkerLordB (Talk) 03:30, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

Andrew, The Welsh -Brythonic Commonwealth(Principia Moderni) has been renamed to Welsh-Brythonic Commomwealth (Principia Moderni). Please edit the second page and not the first. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:48, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

No no no, you misunderstand. Click on this. That's the new page for your nation/Wales. Nothing happened, the page just got renamed. Ignore the category, that happens to tons of pages.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:56, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

I am pondering over going to war next turn with Wonderlaand, with the aid of Finland, Mystiaa, Kawashiiro, Eesti Vabariik, you, Russia, and anyone else who wants to help. Wonderlaand is just a pain in the ass. And all they do is lie. Lie lie lie lie lie lie lie. Rubbish.

Anyways, if we could make something like this happen:

Emperor Alexei of Russia dies in an accident along with the entire royal family and brother. Then the throne passes on to his brother's only surviving son, the former seventh in line to the throne, but he abdicates in favor of his little brother. He is the eighth in line. If then we could get rid the next person in the way of the throne, Queen Marie of Denmark would be the last person left for the throne, and our three nations would enter into a dynastic union. The world's greatest and most powerful nation, the only worthy of existance, and the ruler of the globe muhahahahahaha! And we would have to get Lx to agree. And we would all write one post. EX: Denmark XYZ, while Russia XYZ and Wales ABC. I would write, and then you and Lx would add. Then we could truly rid the world of our enemies!

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:14, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking more along the lines of an accident at a nuclear power plant. Think of it--the great sheer size of Russia, combined with its territory, plus the Danish superpower, with the astonishing Kalmar Union in its history, and Wales, with colonies overseas, even as a former backwater, and with Brittany--the greatest nation ever to grace the earth. Heil Pan-Europa.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:26, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

I will tell him (Russia).

Back in the day Wales was poor, corrupt, ignorant, a global failure really, much like Chad is today.

And now look what you've done with it! Made it a global superpower in 45 years! I joined in 1897 and by 1933 I became one of the seen great powers! (Russia, Nippon, China, Bharat, Vietnam, Finland, and Denmark), and now we three rule th world, but forever in contest with China/Bharat/Nippon.

If only we could get Lx to agree.

Also, could I getone of those colonies from Wales? It is part of my Fifty-Seven Year Plan which I have developed to enact untl 2012 in game. Gaining a colony is a major part of the plan.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:37, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

OK then. Can I have just a part of it? Denmark, globally, is the only nation without colonies/puppets/clients/vassals.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:14, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm...Lx doesn't want my rulers to rise to power, he wants me to join the Commonwealth, and I absolutely refuse to do so. Coudl you explain to him that my rulers are in line for the Russian/Welsh throne, like how Alexei was in line for the Welsh thorne?

Also, could you state in game that you gave Nouvelle Champagne to me? Thanks.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:08, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

I think you said it better than I did, lol.

Anyways, I fixed your signature to say talk to me so try it out.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:29, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

The death toll is more than fifteen million because the Senate was in session, so 738 people are dead right their. Then their is staff of the Senate Bulding, and the aides and translators and companions of the Senators, which tootal to about 560 people. Copenhagen had a population of 12 million people, and about 10 million of those people were dead. Then I have skyscrapers, national monuments, and all this other whatnot, and they bring in more than 4 million people every week. Then there is more than half of the people in Gerth Ceyern, who attended the wedding, and the King and Queen were killed. Thanks god their one and only child, a two year old boy named Harald, was in Stockholm in the care of other people at the time. Currently the last surviving member of the Danish Royal Family, the King's youngest brother Harald is the Regent for the next sixteen years and he is drinking and unstable and depressed deu to the deaths of his immediate family, his mother, his father, his uncels and aunts, his brothers and sisters, his cousin, his inlaws, his wife and children, all except him, the Governor of Stockholm. He will rescind the throne soon to his fifth cousin Frederick, who is next in line for the throne after him, because everyone in between was killed. What a disaster, what a piss off. The world's number three city trashed into a land of bullshit and nothingness. I will turn Stockholm into the New Copenhagen, and I  ' WILL EXACT MY VENGEANCE UPON WONDERLAAND! '  in the words of the Regent, in all his fury. Hell, he almost nuked the crap out of the entire planet.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:16, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Firstly what do you mean by "Iam curious though, why is it that However was involved in the attack isnt being threatened by Sunda to be put on trial for war crimes?"? I don't understand what your referring to when you say "However was involved in the attack".

The company Norratsu who produced the weapons isn't at fault as simply producing the weapons doesn't violate anyone's human rights, whereas using them does. However it is morally wrong to create such dangerous WMDs, but unless they are used it won't violate anyone's human rights. We say that though, Norratsu have done a lot of good by producing vaccines and such, so the company is a bit morally ambiguous.

Lastly yes, Wales can be forgiven for being angry, but nuking Wonderlaand would indiscriminately harm a lot of people who had nothing to do with the attacks. The ICHR is against innocent people being harmed and caught up in this, hence why they are sentencing the terrorists. Also the ICHR is an international body, it just happens to be in Sunda. Any country in the world can send someone to be tried at the ICHR. I guess I should of publicized the ICHR a bit more :P

Hope that answers your questions --VonGlusenburg  (talk to Von!) 23:18, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Amen to that! I posted for Wonderlaand now for 1957 after waiting a bit for everyone to react to the situation. Basically Wonderlaand's general populace feels ashamed and is looking to re-deem themselves, and trying a new method to achieve their pro-Sweden/Nordic ambitions. VonGlusenburg  (talk to Von!) 23:54, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Principia moderni Union
I am in full agreement, but must insist that it must be done gradualy(Just like OTL EU).-Lx (leave me a message) 03:32, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

alright, we'll start the European Space Agency/EvroKosmos(Rus), then create a single currency.-Lx (leave me a message) 03:49, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

I need the name of the Welsh currency. Then I will create a name that will be right for all of us. Ruble+mark+Welsh currency, combined into the European something, will be just right, but not a portmanteau. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:53, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

SoCr
That's a touchy subject. In truth, no, thought we wish to see the same goals you do. Brazil is blocking our attempts to spread propaganda in South America, and the Middle East is a wreck. With the GUD breathing down our backs, there is little we can do but wait for a crutial mistake, then make our move. CourageousLife (talk) 03:40, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

The EU started with some Coal and Wood sharing agreement between France and Germany and Spain or whatnot.

I think we'll start by combining our space programs. Then we'll move on to more advanced stuff, like weaponry and natural resources.

In the end we'll unite the nations under one ruler, and then we'll have the government. The Russian Commonwelath nations will join the new commonwealth, with Denmark, Sweden, Greenland, Wales, and Brittany as part too, but Denmark will retain a degree of control over Sweden and Denmark (and hopefully Norway soon), and Wales over Brittany, and Russia over its members.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 05:00, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Russo Kosmos already joined up with the NASA and he now calls the new association EvroKosmos, EuroCosmos. I call it the European Space and Aeronautics Association, ESAA. You can call it whatever when you join it.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:13, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

I feel like if we get China on board, we stand a much better chance. That gives us two superpowers as opposed to one. CourageousLife (talk) 00:35, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Spread of Communism Confusion
Okay here is what happened: France (as me) SECRETLY assassinated the East German head of state. However, AwesomePeruvian decided it would lead to bad things in the game so he made a new rule: No more spy networks or assassinations. RandomWriterGuy (talk) 04:25, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

LOOK LOOK LOOK LOOK LOOK LOOK LOOK LOOK LOOK. IT IS OVER. PRETEND IT DID NOT HAPPEN. RandomWriterGuy (talk) 05:11, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Update new beginning
Thats the major events in the Current date,and in the News category add your name and number, so i'll execute the discovery algorythm to choose who will start developing tech
 * 1) well in america Cascadia came back to life, Yucatan Started i took over the caribbean, and Raiders attack you
 * 2) In europe the mediterranean war started and the Mufs fight it of, caucasia break into two
 * 3) In africa the sicilian republic borned egypt came back to life axum growed etc etc etc
 * 4) and Yucatan and I meet you and Cascadia

With this i mean that add your Nation Name and a non used number so that when something important is created like,cars or tanks i made a simple random selection between the number of the nations that are active and if your name come's up you will be the first on having it and you would choose if to share it or not and the raiders are tribal nations of Mexico and texas that are assaulting you,Cascadia,Yucatan and Nova Colombia Sine dei gloriem

Flanders
Flanders has absolutely no ties to Wales. They speak a Germanic language with heavy influence from Japanese and French, their culture is a mixture of Dutch, Japanese, and French, their religion isn't even Christian (it is Schmittist), so all in all they don't really have anything to bind them together with Wales. LurkerLordB (Talk) 12:25, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm... The European Rublinark? Too fake sounding. The European Mark? The Euro?

I say mark because everywhere a Euro Mark is, that place has the mark of Europe, so to speak.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:57, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Nay, for Bharat and Nippon are going to attack Russia, and defend Russia will Yoda.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:00, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

And a guten tag to you sir, since you are part of the Triple Alliance with Russia and Scandinavia and since there is all that other stuff tying us together, joining the other side would hypocritical, especially if just for land. If you should not like to be with us in the defense of the motherland, be assured that Scandinavia and Russia will be upset with you, and it is best for you to stay neutral in such a case.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:14, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Forget nukes and the such, we have ICBMs and tons of other stuff they could not stand up to.

Think Yoda does that bring in all the commonwealth members if attacked he is. And right many atimes Yoda is.

Yoda story? What do you speak of? Understand ye Yoda does not.

Euro mark Yoda agrees upon, on Lx, however, it depends.

And named the next king shall be Yoda. (aka Harald VIII of Denmark and Sweden and V of Norway and III of Sweden. You know, the works.)

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:15, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

"Right then, we'll more along." says Nippon. (First enemy I could think of off the top of my head who would mess up the line, lol.)

And you've inspired me to make a PM/Star Wars crossover.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:31, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Euromark is good...although Russains will coloquialy refer to is as euroruble(coloquialism). -Lx (leave me a message) 01:06, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Matis
Matis is latvian, not lithuanian name o.O  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 19:17, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Well, usually, only last names are affiliated with family trees, while first names are given at birth regarding to the location of birth. Strange stuff.  Doctor261  (Talk to me!) 04:27, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Project Excalibur
My question is: what is it?-Lx (leave me a message) 01:04, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

The same, Yoda says. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:15, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Britain (Principia Moderni)
I'm just trying to help craft a proper timeline, and you seem to be getting in the way. I'll allow you to merge with Britain, as long as you know that it means that Cardiff would be subordinate to Edinburgh.

Yank 16:54, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

NO!!! The capital must still be in Edinburgh.

Hello Wales, we are here to offer you Greenland and Iceland (this is all secret) from Scandinavia if you support us. Do you accept, or would you want more? :/  Imperium Guy 17:47, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

We must decline, we are currently managing a difficult transition in power, it would be foolish for us to make that move right now. We are members of the Russian Commonwealth and thge Pan Europa Alliance, so we must decline. They are our allies and friends. We ask that you please reconsider your stance, and instead look to purchasing from Russia or something of that nature. We already have land in Greenland, so that is a nonissue. Defend Russia we will, I will make sure the SDL gets involved if you do this.

Do not join with Britain. When we win the war after Vietnam joins the Asians you can have all the British Isles and tons of overseas Vietnamese territory. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:09, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Oh yes, we will indeed, because I put together a mock algorithm and we will win if all of our allies join. Also, is Nouvelle Champagne mine yet? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:23, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Your Idea
Is amazing! Let's go with it! (You know what I'm talking about, right?) Stewdio333 (talk) 22:23, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

I've got a proposition. How would you like to play as a re-unified Germany? We'll spend about 2 more turns, playing as our countries, and then you can take over (considering that's how much time Ludwig Erhard has in office, I don't actually know much about German politics, I just look it up on the computer. :D)

Of course, unless you prefer to continue play side-by-side, I'm cool with that.

Side by side playing: Berlin is the official capital, Hamburg becomes the regional capital of the West German Confederation, while Dresden could become the regional capital of the East German Commonwealth (however you want to name it)

One player: Hamburg or Berlin, Hamburg is centralized, but Berlin seems likelier, considering how it remained an area between two countries.

Stewdio333 (talk) 22:39, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, then you can have all of Germany. I can take another country, depending on what's available (a lot of countries are still available, both on GUD and UHR). You can pick how many turns we can continue posting our seperate countries, which I will label myself, the West German Confederation. How shall we announce our reunification? Stewdio333 (talk) 22:58, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

I could play as Switzerland, or Denmark, or any country that would be happy to have an alliance with Reunified Germany. :) Stewdio333 (talk) 23:12, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, that's a cool idea. Do you want to take over the country fully next turn, or do you want to continue us two posting side-by-side for the next couple of turns? (2 more turns/years left in the current Chancellor's reign) Stewdio333 (talk) 23:16, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

'''Solid plan. Did you also check to see if it allows such reunifications? And the Soviets are going to be breathing down your neck for this no doubt, fortify your eastern border for sure. On the other side, i don't think you'll have to worry about the border with France because all NATO/GUD nations will be delighted that communism fell in Germany. Other than that, good luck.AP (talk) 02:04, July 20, 2012 (UTC)'''

We're (the West at least) all for something similar to Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution, where while we renounce war forever, we still have a right to defend ourselves, should the Soviets decide to take back East Germany. We know that Brazil (AP) is supportive of a re-unified Germany, and there seems to be a likelihood of the GUD being supportive of a non-Communist Germany.

Oh sorry, forgot to sign my signature, by the way, message me back for the next plan of action. Stewdio333 (talk) 05:57, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

If the Soviets try to attack you, when you seperate, then I can guarantee, that we have over 250,000 soldiers where are ready to protect our Eastern brothers. And if they cut off your weapon supply, well, it's a good thing we have a surplus of 2,000 Leopard I tanks, and at least 2 million Heckler and Koch G3 rifles. Stewdio333 (talk) 07:10, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

'''THANK YOU! It's nice to know other people see it. He is EXACTLY like Dean, implausibility and everything. He just doesnt listen. In another map game he played Liberia and actually thought he could conquer the British and Russian empires! That just makes me gag no joke. I foresee a ban for him on SOCr. Every single map game he tries that. Anyways on a different note, Brazil has a surprise for you on SOCr(iit's a nice one).AP (talk) 03:37, July 21, 2012 (UTC)'''

If you join Britain, our Pan European project will collapse into dust. I urge you to stay with us until war. It will be my five Scandinavian nations, Wales, New Wales, Russia, Nouvelle Copenhague, practically the rest of the Russian commonwealth, Breslau, Czechland, Austria, possibly Hungary, and all of its colonies, puppets, vassals, etc, against Bharat, Nippon, Vietnam, China, and all their 30+ colonies, vassals, etc.

Crap. This could be a real big problem. We might want to talk France and the rest of Europe into this.

Here's a list of users/nations we need to talk into joining us. Quite a small list.
 * Neue Brandenburg/Zagoria
 * Why: former German colony. Germany, Europe. Europe, us. There's a 50% chance of him joining us.
 * Byzantium/Sine de gloriem
 * European nation. I got this one.

Just tell Zagoria that the Europeans seek the help of a nation of European descent in defending the homeland fo Europe against the Asian agressors.

If we can just convince Collie to join us, we're safe. He has tons of other nations.

That's also why the Asians want him on their side, but you just need to talk to him. I already am. I think if we can just talk about how it is Hungary's responsibility as a European to defend Europe and whatnot. That should do it.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:09, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

War will not start until one of the sides sways the massive and poweful Hungarian Empire. That is why we really need Collie on our side, otherwise we are doomed. Really bad.

Also on the game's talk, Vietnam joined the Asian side, so if you join Britain before war starts, and stay neutral, and show pro-Vietnamese tendencies, our plan will go down the drain.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:56, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Friend, if Collie doesn't agree to join us, we're screwed. I hope he remains neutral if he doens't wanna fight with us. You need to talk to him to. If he sides with us, wait, and you will have Britain after the war. If he sides with Asia, hold the referendums  immediately. If he decides to be neutral, wait, and you'll have Britain after the war. All you have to do is talk Collie into joining Europe. Spread the word. Europe needs you. Will you fight with us? Also, talk to some of the African nations. Tell them they can have land from the Asian African colonies.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:06, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Just did. Waiting for a response. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:16, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

If that is the case, then yes, I will help. --"Truth fears no questions..."  21:18, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yes! All we need now is Hungary. Good grief, the whole thing depends on him. He has so many other nations, and that is our only hope of defense. The Asians have tons and tons of extra nations too. I think we may need to pressure Kogasa into joining us, even if he wishes to remain neutral. The least we can do is maybe get Mystiaa and Kawashiiro. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:23, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

OK, Collie's online now. His decision will come soon.

I will dispatch a sector of Norwegian forces to defend Wales against Britain.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:39, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 22:17, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) who will be on each side?
 * 2) What about atomic bombs?will they be used?

If Nippon will go to war, what this means:

"if Nippon does go war fully then nukes shall be used. But the whole MAD thing is stopping Nippon starting the war themselves, unless you guys dare to provoke Nippon. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 19:34, July 19, 2012 (UTC)"

?--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 22:24, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know where is your answer. i will try to communicate tomorrow, is almost 7:30 pm here.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 22:27, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Rivals yes, bitter no. Anyway no worries, I thought it was just a misunderstanding anyway. Who are you going to be in PM2 btw? VonGlusenburg  (talk to Von!) 22:38, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Ah well I'm going to be Oman so I don't think our nations will really have any relations for a good few decades. VonGlusenburg  (talk to Von!) 23:24, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

what is bizantium going to give to the defense of europe (also your spanish is fine andr3w777)

Eh?
So, I decided to call my friend Koishi Komeiji. She told me to keep my nations out of this and that I should not be warring; and also agreed that I stayed neutral at all costs.

Käwäshiro won't join, because they don't ally with non-communist nations (lol) and have their own problems. Mystiää can't either, because of a North Korean-like regime and there's Pahang as well that Mystiää needs to be concerned about.

Finland will not join, because they are best friends with Nippon and Bhārat, but at the same time wants to be friendly to its neighbours. Also Finland is now completely sick and tired of wars, and rather want only peace, nothing else. Not only that, Finland's Imperial Military has been turned into the Finland Self Defence Forces; which basically acts like OTL Japan Self Defence Forces. Lastly, Finland is neutral just like otl Switzerland.

Likewise, Eesti Vabariik won't join, because they have no interest, and are also peaceful and neutral.

All my nations will be completely neutral in this war.

Sorry. -Kogasa  22:53, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Welcome aboard! Brazil is a province of Portugal since the Peninsular War never happened. There is no revolutionary fervor. Play as Portugal instead sorry i didnt update it earlier but it is the Kingdom of Portugal-Brazil. Feel free to erase the Portugal player's name and write yours in, he's been inactive for weeks.AP (talk) 01:10, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Brazil is a state of Portugal, within the Kingdom of course. Update it as Portugal-Brazil.

No Problem.

HEIL EUROPE!

Would this be PM or all games?

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:22, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Our Plan?
So I'm not sure if Scraw told you our plan for Principa Moderni II, but if he has, I would like to know what your position is. If you have no idea what I am talking about, then I can explain.

Please respond. I think that this would work out for all of us.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 02:24, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Certainly.

Basically, the plan involves us three (Bavaria, Brandenburg, and Austria) working together to centralize the Holy Roman Empire. Power would be shared among all of the states.

Gameplay-wise, I'm not sure if the Holy Roman Empire would be one nation. If it is, we might have difficulty sharing power and making moves, but I'm sure it would work out.

The more of us working together on this the better the chance we succeed. Let me know if you want further details.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 02:34, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Never mind, Scraw said you agreed. Monster Pumpkin (talk) 02:34, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

About our union...

Me and Lx are arranging a marriage (hopefully) between the Danish Crown Prince and the Tsar's eldest daughter. They're both sixteen as of 1968.

Now, I know that the Tsar's mother is the girl's father's second cousin, making them second cousins as well. Nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is marrying your first cousin. That is incest. Marrying second or third cousins was common amongst royalty.

Now, when the King of Scandinavia dies, and by then I'll own Flanders and Hanover, the Crown Prince will be King. And the new Queen will be the second in line for the throne until her brother has a son. So if we can convince Lx to kill off the Tsesarevich (oldest son of the Tsar), when the Tsar and King die, HELLO DYNASTIC UNION!

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. !!!!!! 02:48, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, that's kind of impossible. This is only going to work because Wales and Russia have the same ruler. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:58, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

To get rid of the collectivists as they are enemies of nations like Nippon who have monarchy and capitalist systems. Nippon doesn't want these sort of ideas becoming popular in other nations (especially our own). VonGlusenburg  (talk to Von!) 01:02, July 23, 2012 (UTC

Actualy, russia now works on a first-child succession basis(i.e. if the Tsar has a child, his eldest will be 1st in line to the throne, and his first child(regardless of gender) will be second, etc... unless modified by the Emperor himself). the Emperor made Maria third in line to the Russian throne, meaning that before tsar Vladimir dies in 1992, She will be made 2nd in line as the eldest child, and take the throne regardless. I dont need to kill anyone.-Lx (leave me a message) 01:20, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Edit Conflicts
Do not click back and then submit, as that deletes what the other person posted. Copy the edit change it gives you at the bottom of the page, or else just click on the main link to the wiki and re-submit what you added. LurkerLordB (Talk) 02:46, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Novus Mundi.Please join my new Map game Novus Mundi .Also will you play as new york in new beginning or should i release the spot?

Novus Mundi.Please join my new Map game Novus Mundi .Also will you play as California in new beginning or should i release the spot?

well if you dont want to be california in new beggining you can choose ohio and expanded like you did in Humaity awake Sine dei gloriem (talk) 03:13, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

well.In America.THERE are three players though they are currently going to be away for sometime.practically like alway the working players are in europe mainly roma ME And greece. Not to many players thats why im sending invitations

Yeah, it was created to lose.

I would have shredded the flag if someone beat me to the moon. Man, they barely passed us in space! Can you add to my post this:

"When the crew of the Artemis 11 landed on Earth, they told the ESAA that the Nipponese passed the Europeans on the 12th of January. Research showed that a Toshiba device planted by Nippon inside the Saturn V rocket. This slowed down the European travel to the moon, allowing Nippon to pass the Europeans and win. The world is shocked by this."

I can't seem to edit PM for some reason.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 05:13, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks.

Collie, no, although I don't blame him. He has the toughest choice in the history of the world. Whoever he joins wins, establishing that side's supremacy of the world.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 05:18, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Ah. Simple. Put this:



Also, that is called an infobox, and requires a lot of coding work. Just tell me what you want in your box and I'll make you one.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:19, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

Янки является Британия тоже! Ее бывший вьетнамский колонии, поэтому его другому народу его. И присоединиться к нашей стороны в стадии 6 будет привлекать вас отказаться Уэльс янки, и мы дадим вам новые еще ​​более мощные нации контролировать. Это будет сделано быстро и путь, через который доминировал азиатский альянс будет править Европой. Однако для его создания, я нуждаюсь в Вашей помощи. Мы будем реализации этого этапа (этап 3), как только это Ганновере война, которая была на самом деле 1-ой ступени.

Help me!!! Nippon and Bharat declared war on me! I need your help! Just say that you declare war on Hanover! I really need you here! I was trying to get back Schleswig Holstein which Ezra stole frmo me in 1914! They're trying to start their Europe Asia War! Also, I hate to breaK it to ya, but half of the stuff Von told you is full of lies. :(  Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:35, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

I'll send you an email in a second. I'm going offline soon, so I won't be staying to chat but you can send me your concerns. I'll say its Von in the title. VonGlusenburg  (talk to Von!) 19:58, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

Of course Nippon will join! As you know, Nippon is highly anti-collectivist. VonGlusenburg  (talk to Von!) 09:51, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

Bavaria
No problem. Scandinator (talk) 23:45, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

It hasn't been added in yet. Scandinator (talk) 22:35, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

Orange Computer
No its funny, at least to me, as a parody of Apple, inc. Its actually really good. Bobalugee1940 (talk) 18:46, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

I'm currently in the process of getting Venice or Aragon on our side.

Also, about this whole Red Claw stuff in PM, I'm currently looking for pictures to show the destruction of the Copenhagen done by them.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 05:26, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

France becomes a monarchy again, it remains independent. We need to get more than the 30% needed to overthrow a government to do so I think. I guess it becomes a de facto puppet state of Nippon then I give it complete independence a few years after. If Gal ever comes back I'll give it him back. It'll sort of be like what I did with Brunei but they won't stay tied to Nippon as long, and other nations like yours will also have more influence in the nation. VonGlusenburg  (talk to Von!) 00:00, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

That was the second version of the game. Look at the ridiculous first. Rather interesting but rather implausible. Also I have some bad news. I'm moving to a new house on Tuesday. New house dinka have internet yet. I need you to post in PM as long as you can. In 1977 you HAVE to add that we launched the Voyager 1. This is of a great importance. That's it for now. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:57, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

Check your emails my friend. VonGlusenburg  (talk to Von!) 19:59, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

Just post after me so I can end the current one. That way I can form North France & we treat the break between my war & your war as a little interlude/ceasefire. VonGlusenburg  (talk to Von!) 00:34, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

Okay all done on my end. Awaiting you to start phase 2 of this conflict VonGlusenburg  (talk to Von!) 01:39, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

States of America 5 Reloaded
Things are heating up in the game! You haven't posted recently, and I don't want you to miss out. Come on back! CourageousLife (talk) 02:41, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

States of America 5 Reloaded
You haven't been active for 5 turns in the game. I'm afraid that if you do not post soon, you will lose your state. Hurry, time is running out. CourageousLife (talk) 19:59, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Illinois has been made available as you have not posted in 5 turns. CourageousLife (talk) 21:01, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

Problem with Bavaria
I've looked up Bavarian history and apparantly in 1450 the nation was split into 4 feuding houses... So are you sure you want it? On the map I have given you the largest and most powerful house, it's capital is Munchen. Scandinator (talk) 06:40, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Listen, I don't want to burst your bubble, but can we forget about Al Jazehra (an obvious parody on Al Jazeera, and not an Arabic word at all)? We can't target three groups at once. We already have our hands full with the Red Claw resurgency and the Stranierismo.

Also, no offense, but Wales is really a nothing right now. You're just a tiny part of Russia, with all due respect. Joining the Commonwealth may not have been the wisest decision. I doubt anyone would feel the need to attack Wales. It's the same as attacking Kazkhstan or something.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 18:22, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

Holy cow bro, you need to calm down a bit so we can talk sensibly.

Stranierismo is a religous cult who hates everyone else and attempts to screw with all the major powers.

Economically, culturally, etc etc, you rank in the top ten. In political business, however, you are entirely a part of Russia. I warned you, accepting the Tsar as your King made you a subordinate part of Russia. Wales is more or less a puppet. Independence is something you no longer have. What you have been left with is autonomy--basically the right to govern yourself, but if Russia decides to step in--your government will be trumped.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:23, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, they formed a long long time ago.

Also I am not beneath him, we are equal, but Wales is somewhat beneath him. You see, my King married his Tsarina, making my King the Tsar and his Tsarina the Queen of DenmarkNorwaySwedenArcticaGreenlandNouvelleCopenhague etc etc. Then the combined son will take the throne in 2005, and the Princess of France and Burgundy will marry the Russo-Scandinavian Crown Prince in 2016 or 2017, then the current King-Tsar etc will die in 2019, and FranceBurgundyRussiaScandinavia will become that super European Federation we discussed oh-so-long ago.

(Quite a ramble on sentence there.)

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:49, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

I'd say constitutional monarchy. I can twist the lineup so that Wales can become an equal part of the European Federation.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:37, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

I suppose you could (plausibly), but I don't know the level of control Yankovic has, so you should probably contact him first. LurkerLordB (Talk) 01:15, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Well, its funny you asked... The will be a mod post next year with the smallest Bavaria state joining you... You would be able to peacefully annex it and maybe one more a few years later. However, the last one is equal to your strength and will not allow annexation. Scandinator (talk) 02:48, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

I'm as confused as you. One moment Monster Pumpkin is offering me Genoa if I join the HRE, the next he is planning to invade me and the Papal States in a war that would pull in all of Europe and devastate Italy. The upcoming Caliphate is going to be a challenge to Europe and Christendom with all the Muslim lands uniting and having a war with the HRE where the winner disbands the loser. The only reason I want to attack Genoa is to defeat my last trading rival and Milan wants a coastline which is their reason. Scandinator (talk) 06:11, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

England (Principia Moderni)
The English are the equivilent of the OTL Irish. They've just regained independance from Britain, and they fiercely guard their independance. I think the chances of them surrendering independance in six measley years are so low that they'd be in a negative percentile. Lurk may think it's plausible, but I highly doubt they would want to anything of the sort with Wales.

Yank 02:20, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Page looks good so far.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:40, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

The Motherland calls, my good friend. It is also known as your user page.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:51, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Scraw and I are working on that.

In the end, every state will have equal voting rights.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 20:52, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah seems to be good, to be honest until you do more in game with your nation you can't add loads to the page other than real life OTL history of your nation. But its a good start. VonGlusenburg  (talk to Von!) 19:11, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Lol, it is a bit funny. But to be honest I am kind of worried how this whole drama/war will play out.

What should we do? Attack Venice anyway? Or should we all unify the HRE and field the strongest army in Europe so none can challenge us? What should we do? What do you think we should do?

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 06:15, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. The Caliphate will be dangerous, but we have the advantage.

No argument about the unifying. I will propose the treaty to everyone next year, and those that sign will not be attacked.

On Venice and the Pope, we wait, unfortunatly. The HRE is not in a position to be the attacker here. But as soon as they attack, we will come down on them like a ton of bricks.

About the pope: if he attacks Genoa, then we can crush him. If Venice helps the pope militarily, then we defeat them as well. And so on.

If we defeat the pope, he will be integrated in the new government, so nothing gets unbalanced.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 18:47, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Austria
The succession war was something that should have happened OTL but never did. All this is meant to be is the first major POD with OTL. There is nothing else to it. If you haven't noticed, it also damages Venice's position greatly. Also I've done most of your algorithm, just your military development, allies and chance left. If you could do the military and allies that would be swell. Scandinator (talk) 04:56, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

You can take the entire exclave of Ingolstadt. If you end the war in 1456. Then the moment you start a new one the rest would fall. Scandinator (talk) 05:16, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Basically you are all of Bavaria minus the bit next to Austria Scandinator (talk) 05:28, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

End the war in 1456 and then start another anytime you wish. Scandinator (talk) 05:29, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Caliphate Problem
Yes, I think I know exactly what to do.

The Ottoman Empire is not aligned, so we shouldn't have a problem there.

Mainly the war will be about naval power, but luckily we have both Venice and Genoa.

As far as I know, we have the whole Empire, plus Hungary, plus the Byzantine Empire, England, the pope and practically all of Christian Iberia as well.

We should be fine.

So we wait for them to launch the first blow. When they strike, we will hit them back, and crush them.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 19:52, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

As long as you realise that they officialy still exist and still follow all the rules in the treaty, I'm fine with it.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 20:01, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

So he is a king now?

Other than that, it is perfectly fine.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 20:15, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

I know that he is not undermining the Emperor's authority. I was just wondering when his title changed.

When I get around to it, the emperor is going to get the title of every state in the empire, but that also means little, and will not undercut your authority.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 20:22, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

Capital
Yes, it's okay with me. We need to populate this new capital and give it autonomy from the other states, in order to avoid one single state to de facto rule it. --Galaguerra1 (talk) 21:11, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

Answers
I don't really know what you mean by edit the page. If you mean alter the sign-up list to reflect this, go ahead. If you mean edit the map, don't, wait for the next 5 year mark where the map is edited.

As for being an elector, that is something that should be decided by the other players in the HRE and yourself, not me. LurkerLordB (Talk) 22:46, September 12, 2012 (UTC)

...You signed the unification treaty... there are no more electors. Scandinator (talk) 05:59, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

Perfect, but, I think we need some kind of "constiution" to regulate this kind of institutions and by who and how long the executive charges would be held. For example, how do we elect the Emperor and how do we elect the chief justice, and how long does the chief-jsutice hold the title? We shpuld regulate those things. --Galaguerra1 (talk) 00:32, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

I think that mod event is perfectly plausable. You have an Italian state that couldn't be bothered giving a stuff about the HRE and suddenly there is a  unification  treaty (meaning an eventual loss of independence) and an alliance of the strongest HRE states are vassalizing left right and centre (Baden, Wuttemburg, Pomarania, d'Asti, Genoa, Salzburg, Grisons, Piombino and the other Bavarian Houses). Switzerland tries to vassalize Savoy and thats the last straw as it proves to the Savoians that the HRE is corrupt and a tyranny controlled by Austria. I would not be surprized if the other non-German states left too. I myself am a little dissappointed when I saw a map of how you guys wanted to split the HRE with Venice in Austria's colour... I'm not sure what to think of it or what to do... Scandinator (talk) 06:13, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Stuff
I think it looks good, but we need to decide how justices are appointed, as I will not vote until we figure that out.

Personally I am Republican (cannot vote though). I could argue politics with you, but I don't think that would help the wiki any, lol.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 20:50, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I have some friends who are like that.

Also, check out the manifest of the HRE, sort of like the constitution. You should be able to find it on the recent activity page.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 20:58, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, anyway I didn't mean to ofend. I think the manifest is good, though I was doing a little more complex charter, anyway, we must wait until we hear the others' opinions and ideas. --Galaguerra1 (talk) 21:28, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

I like your supreme court idea, if you like, we could keep it, I'll correct the articles. Analizing it more deeply, I like it, but, what will it power be? veredicts and resolutions or just resolutions?

Also, judaism is permited, but taxed, and "privacy", includes not only hosues but jewish temples and such... --Galaguerra1 (talk) 19:23, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Perfect. I will maintain the "knowledge of roman and canonical law" thing be cause it was a law in OTL HRE's Aulic Council and Court Chamber. Also, the ecclestiastical counselor should hava received Holy Orders. --Galaguerra1 (talk) 19:39, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Off course, not even the Roman Republic have equal repressentation and democracy to all people.

I'm at 1º Grade "Polimodal" (Advanded High School, it's like 4º Grade of High School or 10º Grade counting since I started school at 6 years old). I am 15 and my school specializes on Economy and Accountancy, though the next year I will have a Law class. I'm interested in laws and that's why I study it independently. I hope to be a lawyer and a politician in the future, even President of the Nation.

I understand you, my main language is spanish and several times I fear people won't understand what I say in english (sometimes people from Spain or Mexico doesn't understand what I mean in my argentine dialect :P).

I was thinking on creating this kind of "constitution" anyway as I am working in a history about the Holy Roman Empire and the succession of Charles V. --Galaguerra1 (talk) 19:56, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Savoy Question
As their Italian breatheren we want them re-intergrated peacefully back into the HRE, violence will show that the unification treaty is based on power and control of the other states via threats and shows of force like in Savoy. Venice believes using force will be worse than leaving them alone since other HRE states are also worried about the unification treaty and potential loss of soverignty. This could see HRE wide revolts and the subsequent disintergration of the HRE. Remember individual states kept their titles until 1933 and non-German states had all left by 1648. Scandinator (talk) 01:00, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Future history
Well he could have Germany communist in 2012 as we are still in 2012, just as long as Germany didn't become communist after the present date (e.g. 25/09/2012 onwards). That page might just be the end of his timeline; but the maker is a brand new user (3 edits) so give the guy a bit of time to learn the rules & stuff. Cut him a bit of slack. I'll remove the nomination for the time being as it may not be future history. Give him some time, but in most other cases of a timeline being future history either nominate for deletion or remove the offending parts of the article & explain that future history is not allowed. VonGlusenburg  (talk to Von!) 23:08, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

Lobisitz's Lamentable Loss
Hallo,

Ich bin Callum, und ich spiele als das Fuerstentum Waldeck in Lobositz's Lamentable Loss. Diese Kartespiel macht viel spass fuer alles. Also, ich bin die einzelne Deutsche Staat mit einem Spieler.

So, hast du lust als Bayern oder Preussen oder Sachesn oder ergindwo anders zu spielen?

Danke, Callumthered (talk) 03:32, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

(PS, Ich hoffe meine Grammatik war nicht sehr schlecht!)

Yeah, I was asking if you wanted to play :). It'd be great if you played as Prussia.

I wrote in German because I'm going on exchange to Germany in under two weeks, and there aren't all that many people around Brisbane who speak German.

Thanks, Callumthered (talk) 20:28, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

Ich will in Kassel (Hessen) fuer sechs Wochen mit meiner Austauschschuelerin leben. Meine ganze klasse geht auch.

Das ist wunderschoen, bis dann. Callumthered (talk) 22:52, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

He hasn't posted since, for ever, so, as mod, I am putting the nation up for adoption. Just delete his name and replace it with yours :) Callumthered (talk)

Constitution of the HRE PMII
I would like you, as a member of the Holy Roman Empire in PMII to formally establish the system of our state by signing this constitution so we can organize the new system as soon as possible, and see if suits to everyone. --Galaguerra1 (talk) 05:28, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

IMG
Something important about the IMG last days: " Venice submits a proposal to the HRE where the Venetian Trade League and the Imperial Trade League will ease competition and work together to take over European trade starting with the removal of the Hansatic remnants.", my personal opinion is that we need a 50-50 profits arrange with Venice, nothing less. Also, should we create an IMG page? Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 01:54, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

I think the most important thigs are: England/Calais joined the IMG, Venice conquered a lot of OTL Greece, Novgorod supported the muslims against the Venetians, Aragonese war against Britanny (and maybe France). Cyprus player side the catholic nations against the muslims and England gain power in the Aegean. I have been trying to incorporate the Swiss to the IMG. Maybe a lost a few ones. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 02:31, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Not much. Everyone went about the usual military build up stuff. The HRE waged a war with the Crimea. (Oh if only you could have helped us, and we could have won!) which we tied. The Muslim Caliphate (the big insane one) came to power. Naples got a player. Poland-Lithuania broke up. The Mongols are getting dangerously close to Europe.

Just the usual.

Hasta la vista, baby. (I'll be back.) 02:51, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Recent Events in the HRE
There has been a military buildup the last few years or so. Expand your state army at will. Feel free to contribute to the Imperial forces as well.

I really want to help Poland, but I feel that if we do we lose Russian support and a war against the Khanate, and then the Caliphate will strike, losing us the war. We are allied with Hungary, but still...

I was planning him on dying more or less around the same time OTL, which is 1493. He might die a year earlier or later, but I don't know exactly.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 02:18, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Since I'm not sure which state youre talking about the long thin one north of Baden is Nassau, the fatter dark-grey one east of it is Ansbach, to its south is the free Imperial city of Ulm and north of Bavaria is the long thin state of Thuringia which also borders Bohemia. Hope this helps. Also support Poland! If they fall the Khanates will stampede through Germany with the disunitied nature of the HRE allowing them near free rein. Scandinator (talk) 04:19, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

No need to fear, the last bastion is here. We Russians will drive back the Khantes as per our new agreement with Agent! He will have much of his land back! I will have coastlines! Lx will have Siberia and Loads of land!

See Lx's page for detail, please.

The Royal Guns (talk) 19:53, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. No coastal cities near you, I'm afraid- and with the new treaty with Agent...

Sure thing on the other part, though! Military aid good enough?

The Royal Guns (talk) 23:06, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Sure thing. Could we have a trade pact? That is, I send you supplies in all your wars if possible, and you reciprocate?

The Royal Guns (talk) 23:12, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Still want some coastline?

Agent isn't being very helpful here, he's actually threatening us. Basic pronogsis is, he's declaring war on us if we don't return ALL his land.

So, hows about this?

Thriple invasion; you, me, Lx. I'll try and convince Scraw to militarily aid us. That's a plus 9. We all have 7 digits of population.

I'll take a quarter, you take a third, and Lx can have the rest.

How is that?

The Royal Guns (talk) 23:09, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Now this is just cruel, mods, backstabbers and the Caliphate.... all ganging up on me... AgentMars (talk) 02:00, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Well dude, you were gone, then you lost a war, then you actually THREATENED the people who had just crushed you in a war not knowing that you were there. If you had been polite, I would have taken very little land, etc. But you were rude, demanding, and self pitying. I see no reason why I should give up any advantage.

I think you would be able to split the coastline with Lx and Me, lol. So long as I get Warsaw...

The Royal Guns (talk) 19:42, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Your questions

 * 1) Well I'd thought you know about the TSPTF about now. If you just have a read though the TSPTF page, it'll answer the majority of your questions about it. Basically we're the admins and manage the site, by enforcing the rules and keeping the peace. If you were to become a member of the TSPTF then someone would have to nominate you and you'd have to fulfil the criteria. The nomination process for Constable (lowest rank of TSPTF) can be found here. Basically you'll need to have actively contributed for at least six months to the wiki, and you'll have to of demonstrated a need for the ability through extensive anti-vandalism work.
 * 2) I have thought a little bit about life after the Caliphate, but it really depends on how it all falls apart. I'm not even sure if I'll say as Oman! But it'd be nice to be on the same side as you for once lol. But yeah, I'm only thinking about what to do with the Caliphate atm, after that is all over, then I'll be in a better position to decide what I'm doing after the Caliphate. VonGlusenburg  (talk to Von!) 18:07, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

Apparently, you are at war with me as Bavaria.as your coalition is winning, with who i should negotiate? the guy who posted his declaration of war as the HRE only has left his IP, and it does not lead to any username.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 18:11, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

There already is a map of the HRE, its at the top of your page. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg  (talk to Von!) 00:17, October 7, 2012 (UTC)

Like say if I take the current 1480 map of the world, cut out Europe and then colour in only the HRE states? Would that satisfy your conditions? <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg  (talk to Von!) 00:23, October 7, 2012 (UTC)

Right that's all I'm doing today, going bed now. I hope this suffices. Also what you were saying about it going fuzzy could be down to the file type you're using. Make sure you're saving them as .PNG files because if its like say a .JPEG then they go fuzzy. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg  (talk to Von!) 00:47, October 7, 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm. I will sell a few barques to the ITF but, I would like to cease competition with the Imperial Trade Guild this way allowing the Venetian merchants to continue their trading without pressure in the HRE. Scandinator (talk) 03:22, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

Your post regarding Prussia (I was interested sorry for prying) is somewhat invalid. The name my be Prussia but the German peoples of the former Teutonic Knights reside in only the southernmost portion of the new Prussia (honestly it should have been called the Livonian Order) and the coastal area of Poland the rest of "Prussia" is occupied by Estonians and Livonians. Scandinator (talk) 04:39, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

Prussia PMII
Well. Novgorod Hoped to firstly get more coastline and secondly unite the lithuanians...also, Prussia is actualy more baltic now, since the only became german because of the personal union with Brandenburg...and then it became Brandenburg-Prussia, then Brandenburg, then Prussia...Prussia was formed later..the process of truning from teutonic to prussia was sped up and the culture is predominantly baltic, but they are administered by germans, even if the culture is baltic-Lx (leave me a message) 23:02, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

Have fun with Bari. But yea, I have no claims to Mainland Naples (yet) but I doubt the entirety of the Eastern coast will be stable under you. Just take a little bit and I suggest the heel of the boot since there already is a largish port - Bari. I am only going to annex Sicily and Malta and Sardinia (if no other Italian states join on our side). Scandinator (talk) 23:22, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

Also the proof is on the High Imperial Court page. Scandinator (talk) 23:27, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

I wont show you directly in case he spots it but you can annex the southern half of OTL Apulia Scandinator (talk) 23:34, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, why you erased my post in the conclave: im a part of the HRE... Savoy is in dinastical union with napoles.... why u do that?


 * I am controlling Savoy, and im trying to Naples be a part of the Holy Roman Empire.. and you are already plannig to take my lands... This Year Savoy And Naples Will be ruled by ONE King... you are still planing atack me? Quiari (talk) 00:35, October 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * I dont speack english or german, español si. Ok: I never had a pact with the Caliphate, I'm in this situation, just because Venice, wants all the Balkans. Since I started my approach towards Serbia, Venice annexed in 3 turns Epirus and Albania, and then said that Serbia was his. I tried to resolve the issues diplomatically, but he refused. This is in addition, to the error, which was corrected, the color of the Balearic Islands. A Mod I explained that I was never mine, so no problem there ... But Venice is laying on every page that I'm stealing territories that were his. He is trying to gather all he knows in this game to make a war against me and win all my islands. These accusations are totally false. My intentions were initially survive ... the first day I got in the game, the caliphate offered me to convert to Islam, I said no. My intention is to join the Holy Roman Empire, which is why I founded the Order of the Knights of Malta and placed at the service of the Pope, and also why I joined the leagues of trade. All this is happening is the ambition of Venice. Quiari (talk) 00:56, October 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, look, if he so intent that Serbia belongs to him, well then Bosnia, which is next to Montengro should be no problem, right? Or that belongs to him, too? I spent many turns there should at least respect my pretense of Bosnia. What do you say? Can you back me?Quiari (talk) 04:20, October 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * I refused????? I asked you kindly to butt out of Serbia and you said: "You have Epirus and Albania, Serbia is mine." The Knights of Malta were the Kinghts of Rhodes who moved to the HRE ATL. The Byzantine Empire is intersted in uniting the Othodox Balkan peoples. They already have Greece and Albania and are finishing off with Bosnia and Serbia. Venice has no interests in these territories but the Byzantines have a huge sway in Venice now. Not only that but you continued communicating with members of the Caliphate. I have nothing against you Naples, I admit I am interested in your islands but I am not going to war over those. It is Serbia that Byzantium wants back. Not only that but you are still trying to persuade Milan to declare war on me now... Scandinator (talk) 12:25, October 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * I told you before, if you do not understand the Spanish stop talking about it ... Ok, if you so much want to SerbiaI do not think bother to, I attack Bosnia and lead within the HRE, no? or tell me, you want to have all the Balkans? Or if attacked Granada, also going to tell me it's yours? if I go to America also is yours? Tell me, my friend? ... It's good that you want the world, but you should stop being so greedy. Quiari (talk) 14:12, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Advertencia
Hola. Te tengo que advertir por dos cosas que hiciste: Fed  (talk)  00:12, October 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Usar conocimiento secreto (las negociaciones entre Nápoles y el Califato) en votos dentro de el juego (eso es metagaming, y aun si lo siguen usando se cancelaría el post)
 * 2) Borrar comentarios de discusiones (el comentario de Quiari en su página del cónclave del SIR).


 * Entonces mejor transfiéranlo a la talk page, en vez de borrarlo del todo.==Naples PMII==

Quiari es un jugador nuevo y débil. Si no lo quiere ponerse del lado del Califato (yo no creo que de todos modos lo haría) entonces tenemos que acompañarlo a nuestra educación en derechos humanos y, a continuación, se llega a unificar casi toda Italia bajo ourbanner y poner más en la depresión Papado unirse. Además, se obtiene y aliado extra, Nápoles. Eso, además de Venecia, además de Castilla, además de Aragón, además de Génova-Milán nos da un control total sobre almsot el mar Mediterráneo, y todos ellos mutuamente podrán cancelar sus respectivos imperialismos.

En otros asuntos. ¿Te gustaría ser emperador? Federico III está muriendo por 1493 o tal y necesitamos a un candidato. Nosotros (Bauglir y yo) piensa en ti, como Bavaria es a la vez una de las naciones alemanas más pacíficas y estables, un defensor de la fe y tiene buenas relaciones con todos los estados imperiales. - Galaguerra1 (talk) 18:11, 9 de octubre de 2012 (UTC)

De sabor Todas FORMAS, no es Quiari instancia de parte del Sacro Imperio? Fed (talk) 00:26, 09 de octubre 2012 (UTC) Es una idea interesante. Gala y Bauglir, y piensan lo mismo y me parece muy conveniente para todo el mundo, mira, siendo los electores que lo apoyan, es una buena idea que Nápoles es una de ellas. A esto se añade Savoy y también me gustaría que el Palatinado es uno (es vasallo de Saboya). Con esto ya fortalecer el nuevo emperador. Esto es, en su caso. Quiari (talk) 19:34, 9 de octubre de 2012 (UTC)

Then, a woman cannot run for Empress. The emperor must not necessarily be an imerpial prince, in fact, it could even be a foreigner... Maybe Wilhelm could inherit Baden-Wurttemburg and take a sit there. It has its adventadges, as Karolin is an enclave in Wurttemburg. If not, we can choose anotehr candidate. Calculating, there are 18 electors. If you count with your votes (Bavaria and Baden-Wurttemburg), mine (Calais) and Bauglir's (Milan and Genoa), that makes 5, and we could convince MP (Austria and Tyrolia), Florence and Quiari (Naples and Savoy, or just Savoy) to vote for you, that would make 9-10, a majority. I must check if Pessaro is an elector, I thin it is, in which case you can count my as two votes instead of one. --Galaguerra1 (talk) 19:44, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Perefect, but I don't understand why he couldn't be elected Emperor and remain in throne in Bavaria, there is no problem in that. Anyway, we need figure out way to convince the other to support us, specially Brandenburg and Austria. Only the Reichstag may accept new members in the HRE, so all state, even non-electorates vote. That and advantage to geeeet Naples into the Empire. Once you're elected Emperor, we could think on what to do to create a better balance between the players, specially between the most imperialsit members.

P.D. : You don't know spanish, am I mistaken? "Educación de derehcos humanos" means "education in human rights". Don't be ofended, you actually speak spansih (or at least write) better than many other I've seen. --Galaguerra1 (talk) 20:09, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Well, you speak very well, though you still have some problems, like the "human rights" thing. Anyway, I think MP has said he won't run for the throne, and if he does, we've practicly won. Once you are Emperor, I'd ask to be Executor of Justice in the imperial court, as I'm co-founder with you. Maybe Brandenburg or others could be interested in command the imperial army or some other important position. --Galaguerra1 (talk) 21:39, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">I sure that Savoy/Naples will be interested =) Quiari (talk) 23:32, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, you have my vote and my support within the HRE, now I just need to be admited and be appointed an Elector. Just as the Palatinate is declared Elector, i hope. I also plans to bring in Bosnia within the Empire as my vassal, you support my decision? Quiari (talk) 23:32, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

I did not mean to insult you, I just don't have energy to argue with people who won't listen. I live in a place where people's political views are almost the exact opposite of mine, so I've learnt that. And I never called you a retard. I would never call anyone a retard. I've worked with the autistic as a class before, and it hurts me when people say bad stuff about them, or call other people retards. And, Qoyunlu hasn't gotten any larger since the Caliphate. In fact, it has gotten smaller (or the one I'm focusing on anyways). +, the Caliphate was formed by one marriage and wars. It didn't really happen fast at all, if you think about it. At the centre of the Caliphate there are the Qoyunlus, and the Egyptians. The rest were either vassals of either one, or conquered through wars. (Bahmani was going to join, but he stopped playing). In fact, the leaders of the Qoyunlu states are all sons of Marwan III, the Caliph.Saamwiil, the Humble 21:27, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Secret Stuff
I am not ready to accept any split, as rifts can be mended. After all, the HRE did survive the reformation. We will have to wait and see what happens, but whatever happens, I plan to keep some element of the HRE to the modern day. If that means just Austria, then so be it, but I will try to preserve the empire, with your aid of course.

Right now, let us stay focused on the Caliphate.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 03:33, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Questions

 * Yes, in OTL there were Germans, primarily nobles or wealthy merchants, complaining that all of their German money was going down south to the Italian Church
 * 1) I suppose they could have the Reformation begin there, or at least adopt it early on.
 * Yes, you can merge the vassals
 * I don't really know how Switzerland became the banking capital (in the current point of the game, they're really poor actually). You should probably research it. I do think a major factor would be their neutrality in many wars. LurkerLordB (Talk) 20:55, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

No it was not me, Lurk did it see? However you merging Baden-Wutternburg into Bavaria doesn't negate the fact that you broke the rules. TBH this wouldn't have happened if us mods had done our jobs properly and stopped it happening in the first place. So we need to have Thuringia break away as otherwise we are saying its okay to the break the rules. All I can say is try to take back Thuringia by invading it or waiting for Baden-Wutternburg to become part of Bavaria and then re-vassalizing Thuringia once your other vassal is gone. Sorry but they wouldn't be very good rules if we let people break them then would they?

As for the reformation, I don't why not. Post some stuff pre-eluding to the reformation and then hey presto. I'd mention this on the talk page though as the reformation is going to be an important event so I think a lot of people will want to talk about it. As for becoming the new Switzerland, well do what they do and stay neutral and build up a culture similar to that of the Swiss. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg  (talk to Von!) 00:17, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Map Game Wiki
I've been thinking about this idea for a long time.

Basically, it would have four advantages:

A) Map Games would not be restricted to althistory.

B) The reputation of this wiki wouldn't be so downgraded by them a-holes on AH.com.

C) It would have the effect of less clutter on this wiki.

D) It could have rules specifically designed for Map Games, including rules about defunct ones, etc.

What do you think?

The Royal Guns (talk) 19:54, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

hey would you like to play this new map game of mine http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Arabian_Failure_(Map_Game)#Asia Sine dei gloriem (talk) 22:54, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Pretty simple:

A) there would be a hierarchy, similar to the one on this wiki (called the Grand Council of Cartography, or something like that.)

B) Only these members would be allowed to mod on map games. This makes awkward runaway implausogasm situations or biased mod problems less likely.

C) There would be stricter rules about edit wars and the like. This wiki primarily devotes itself to althistory, so there is practically no solid rules on map games. This wiki would have them.

D) To get into the mod group, you would have to be part of the initial group of users (probably all from althist, people like you, me, scraw, etc), or have used the wiki for at least 6 months. This would be the lowest level, with the same 3 levels thing. For those 6 months, you would have to prove that you are plausible, polite, respecting of the rules, etc.

E) There would be a centralized algorithm, with lots of variations for different scenarios. This eliminates the @#$% idiotic algorithms that you see in some of the worse map games on this wiki.

Haven't gotten much further than that, any suggestions would be welcome!

The Royal Guns (talk) 23:29, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Map Game Wiki
I've been thinking about this idea for a long time.

Basically, it would have four advantages:

A) Map Games would not be restricted to althistory.

B) The reputation of this wiki wouldn't be so downgraded by them a-holes on AH.com.

C) It would have the effect of less clutter on this wiki.

D) It could have rules specifically designed for Map Games, including rules about defunct ones, etc.

What do you think?

A suggestion as to rules:

A) there would be a hierarchy, similar to the one on this wiki (called the Grand Council of Cartography, or something like that.)

B) Only these members would be allowed to mod on map games. This makes awkward runaway implausogasm situations or biased mod problems less likely.

C) There would be stricter rules about edit wars and the like. This wiki primarily devotes itself to althistory, so there is practically no solid rules on map games. This wiki would have them.

D) To get into the mod group, you would have to be part of the initial group of users (probably all from althist, people like you, me, scraw, etc), or have used the wiki for at least 6 months. This would be the lowest level, with the same 3 levels thing. For those 6 months, you would have to prove that you are plausible, polite, respecting of the rules, etc.

E) There would be a centralized algorithm, with lots of variations for different scenarios. This eliminates the @#$% idiotic algorithms that you see in some of the worse map games on this wiki.

Haven't gotten much further than that, any suggestions would be welcome!

The Royal Guns (talk) 23:29, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

The Emperor
He will definitly die within three years/turns.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 03:21, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

PMII
It's a very good deal. No metagaming. But part of the agreement is that no harm will come to Bavaria or Brandenburg. And anyway the war may never occur.

Sure. Count us in, for military aid at least.

BTW, the full list would be: Poland (M), Novgorod (M), Muscovy (M), Pskov (MV), Rostov (MV), Ukraine (MV), Ruthenia (MV), Lithuania (MV), and you can add all of those to your strength =D. But if there is any land close to our borders... maybe we'd like to vassalize it...

The Royal Guns (talk) 22:54, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

PM2
Count with me (Genoa and Milan), when I supported N to join the empire I thought I gained an ally, but know I see how ambitious he is and I know both of them must be defeated, also, I would love you to share with me this firing mechanism technology.

About your Spanish, it's okay, better than my English :).

If you were to support the Venetian loyalists with weapons and attempt to stop Milanese interference then Venice will vote for you. Scandinator (talk) 00:33, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Hey Andrew, would it be possible for you to support the Venetian annexation of Florence? The Venetians merely sabotaged the Medici's hold on power and the Fugger filled in the vacuum for Barozzi. There was no invasion or anything and Naples and Milan are acting highly hostile towards me. In exchange Venice will join the IMG so long as its main centre for operations is moved to Venice, its HQ can go anywhere in the HRE. In regards to the Protestant Reformation, Venice will remain catholic. We also hope that you will support the invasion of Rumelia in the future. Scandinator (talk) 02:56, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Andrew, congratulations for being elected. I would ask you to find a bette solution for the florentian problem, as I don't trust very much in Scan's imperialistic ambitions. Also, I asked you the electorship for Pessaro and Lorraine, and the position of Executor of Justice for Calais. --Galaguerra1 (talk) 21:13, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Arabian Failure map game
the game has begin so please begin posting Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:23, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Hi Bavaria, for now I'm going to ally with the Pope and Naples and try to stop the nation that after a civil war can easily annex one Italian state and vassalise/pre-annex another two. I mean we are going to establish a status quo and work together, at least for now. About the Reformation, do you think it is ASB to a Italian state become Protestant?, because I'm interested in doing things different from OTL, and I want to know what are your plans to Antilla and Atlantis colonization? Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 00:27, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

Sure, you have me and napoles at your side, for now I think you should speak with the jugadores rusos to gain the their economical help. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 00:08, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

Hey man, now the Emperor of HRE will be the candidate of Bavaria, I do not know exactly how many years will reign but for the election after this you have a plan? then I would try my. Forging alliances from now. Quiari (talk) 19:55, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

IMG + Florence
Oh, I know you  Scan  all Metagamers are reading this, and I don't really care, this is not a secret.

Imperial Merchants...  whatever
Oh you Emprah, I tried so hard to remain as your ally and you do this to me. Please remember that the IMG is (or was) " adminstered by Bavaria and Milan" and "The fleet will be based in Milan" (your own post). Plus this little talk: And " Genoa will control the sea routes, while Bavaria controls the land routes" (other of your posts). And now you give Venice the control of the Fleet and the head quarters of the IMF. You take this resolution without even ask me and knowing my relation with Venice. And remember that most (if not all) ships in the IMF are (where) Genoan ships, and most money  invested where Milanese. So unless I have misunderstand the Venetian and Bavarian posts I know now that I have no allies in Germany. Oh, if I'm not wrong and your move is to ally with Venice and let me behind I can just say that it is an smart move, not an  honorable one, but a smart one. You get two Electors (but lost three), the biggest economy force in the world and more.
 * <span lang="EN" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">​Genoa (Milan): The Merchant Guild of the Republic of Genoa offers to the Imperial Trade Company  an union  to create the Imperial Merchant Guild, divide between the Sea's Guild and the Continental Company. 
 * <span lang="EN" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">Bavaria: Let it be so. 

Florence
About Florence count this:

Now, Oh Glorious and Benevolent Emperador (Emprah), judge and declare me stainless and sinless. I'm not angry with you, I'm game angry with you. Outside the game there is no resentment. I know how to keep both things separated. Your friend and servant, Duke of Milan, Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 01:14, November 2, 2012 (UTC).
 * I have never fight Venice in this conflict at all, you can check all my posts. All my actions (and Naples's ones) have never been away from Florence and Piombino, but Scan take the fight to my economy and my territory, and not happy with that he closed the Straits of Gibraltar to Quiari and me.
 * Venice was the one that direct a economical sabotage against using non venetians characters and pretending to help me by deterring the attack he himself did. (And at the same time he take over a non-venetian family and one of the richest in the Empire).
 * Venice has a large and maybe implausible monopoly in Italian states.
 * You can see that Venice has no more right over Florence than I. He acts like all Italy belongs to him and any action to balance the situation is "highly hostile", but he has no more right over Florence than Naples nor I.
 * You said Naples and I are fighting against other HRE states. That's not true. We are supporting a group in Florence, not killing venetians,  sabotaging economies  and closing vital navigation areas to other HRE states and "'threat of sinking should they seek to breach the Straits" (his words).
 * You supported Scan with Florence before any negotiations take place.

Hellow, Andrew. I'm thinkng in a solution for this florentian problem, and I came out with this: --Galaguerra1 (talk) 19:42, November 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) With the excuse of seeking a regionalization of Italy, one of the richest zones of the Empire, you make a law forcing Venice and Florence into the Italian League.
 * 2) As Florence is currently in chaos, a Council of the Signoria formed by the leders of the Italian League (including Venice) will take charge of Florence. While such provisional government is on, Florence shall losse its elector status.
 * 3) The fleet, army and police of Florence will be directed by the neutral England, that will have a representative of its own in the Signoria.
 * 4) The Emperor will have a represenative in the Signoria aswell.
 * 5) In 1530, the Council of Electors will decide wheater to finnish the occupation and call for elections in Florence (This means, who takes absolute control of Florence) or wehater to continue the occupation for another twenty years.
 * 6) You must do something against the irrational venetian monopoly on Italy.

HRE
Scraw told me to refer to you, current Emperor of the HRE. We were discussing Scandinavia possibly joining the HRE. For that to happen, i would like to enter as an  entire  state; not as 4 separate ones. if i could join as one state, it would be great. If not, thats fine too, we also discussed signing alliances to make up for not joining the HRE. Let me know what you think. ~Erik III, King of the United Kingdom of Scandinavia.AP (talk) 01:45, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Pertaining to your offer to the Caliphate, we will agree on the terms ofa 20 year nonagression pact, and a that all Muslims in your lands are allowed to pursue Islam, the Caliphate does not harm people of other religions within its borders, as it is agaisnt Laws of Islam. We also have one more condition: You will not join any wars of agression agasint the Caliphate.

The Great Caliph of the Islamic World

(DeanSims: Talk) 13:35, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for what I previously said, I read first your posts and I saw that you were only thinking, but then I read the Venetian post and thought that you had give him the control of IMF and everything else, from the Venetian post: "the I mperial Merchant Fleet sails to its new quarters in Venice". I thougth you were giving him the whole fleet and the headquarters without even notify me, I know I'm a lesser partner of the IMG but still I want to know about your decisions. My other problem is that I know you want to include Venice in the group, and that means my own declive. I can predict the Eastern Fleet will be more succesful than the Western, basically because the Venice influence is in the whole Mediterranean and the New World, but my own is limited to the West Mediterranean. So, Venice can grow both, economically and territorially, and I have to turn my eyes north and go for the Italian Swiss cantons.

The problems between Venice and I came from 1459,  I have always felt threatened by Venice since the game started, and the way he take away Mantua from me was very, hmm, unfriendly. My real reason to intervene in Florence wasn't ambition, I just didn't want Venice to be too powerful, just compare the Venetians vassals against mine,there is nothing bad in Florence to have a more stabilized government, my problem is that this "government" isn't much more than a Venetian puppet,  I never wanted to destroy Venice nor something like that, I just wanted to put a restraint to his power, but obviously that didn't went well. But I think I (and the League) can stop fighting him if he agree with three things. First, do n't annex any Italian state in the next 15 years (the same for me), second the possesion of Piombino is given to the League and third, disscuss the Florence situation with the Papal States. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 17:52, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

The proposal sounds very good to me. I have prepared a map for how Bohemia could be divided:

I receive Prague, but you do get quite a sizeable portion. I am happy to negotiate if this does not suit.

Are you planning on annexing it outright, or having it as a Vassal? I'm tinking of making my part a vassal in personal union with Saxony. Callumthered (talk) 19:12, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

We could make the border run through Prague, and make Prague a Freistadt under our joint protection? Callumthered (talk)

I could begin next turn, but I'd probably like to wait until the turn after that. Callumthered (talk) 19:35, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Well, apparently our planned invasion of Bohemia is "illegal". However, I actually can't find where it says in the constitution that we can't invade other member states, epecially ones without players. Also, is Bavaria going to become Keppelian? Callumthered (talk) 12:16, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Ah yes, I seem to remember something along those lines now. Do you know where the actual text of the unification treaty is? Because I looked on it's page, and couldn't find the actual treaty...Callumthered (talk)

Seeing as you know more about the rules than me, does my attempt at vassalisation of Magdeburg this turn seem legit? or do I have to do more? Callumthered (talk)

Austria
I'd assume that Austria would be ruled by the emperor, but not be part of your nation. Like dynastic union. LurkerLordB (Talk) 23:03, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

O Emperor. Fred Rogers of Brandenburg invites the ruler of Bavaria to Brandenburg to discuss the colonial partition of Antillia. Meet on the PMII talk page.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 21:24, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Actually I have a plan for the HRE. Meet me in the chat so we can talk securely.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:00, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Live_Chat

Follow the link.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:18, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

The 'events'
Check out the talkpages of: Viva, Imp, Scraw, Lx, and I. Seriously, this could be big. Lx's has the overview. The Royal Guns (talk) 01:20, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I have a Nonaggression pact too, expires in 2 years. Besides the point. We're talking about the possible collapse of the Caliphate in a MASSIVE WAR. We came SO close last time, this time we have Ethiopia, Hindustan, and Poland as leaders. All I'm asking for you to do is to get ready to make large amounts of noise in the HRE conclave of kings, get a vote on the second Great Holy War. This NEEDS to go through. Religious civil war? Well, this isn't happening for another 3 year min. Get in there, legalize the damn Kappel thing under your constitution, end it, then open a vote. Carpe Diem!The Royal Guns (talk) 02:15, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Holy Roman Tremperor
Call it self-centered-ism, but I suggest Wilhelm II of Brandenburg. He's about 40ish, and he just saved us from four seperate wars, won two, and negotiated the colonial division of Antillia. On top of that he's managing Kappelians very well, either exiling them to Orientalia (Phillippines OTL) or throwing in jail for life, depending on the level of their radicalism. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 20:00, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Chatango is your best bet. I'm on the chat now. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg  (talk to Von!) 16:51, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, i will fully support you, but also i will like your vote to be the next emperor Quiari (talk) 17:46, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Off course, I will help you. I have my own plans for England, and I hope I will count with your help if I ask. Anyway, whatever you need, I'll help. --Galaguerra1 (talk) 18:23, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Map Game
That's FP's idea. If you ask him, I'm sure he'd appreciate some help CourageousLife (talk) 21:23, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Brandenburg will get some SERIOUS pressure from me, and Lx, but if it comes to wars, I can't play favorites. I'm afraid you two will have to kick the crap out of each other till peace.

BY the way, about that steampunk map game....

How about something like this; Hero of Alexandria, in the first century AD, having developed the first steam engine, doesn't simply throw it away, but expands on it.

By 1000 AD, we have steam fusion.

MOOHAHHAHAHA!

The Royal Guns (talk) 00:50, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

What's gotten into you? You know the Chancellor has power and rights, right? Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 05:11, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Aight, all sounds good. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 21:48, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah sure. The more the merrier! - FP 19:56, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

Venice
We will remain your ally but Venice will break away from the HRE like OTL after the Southern German States go Kappelist. Venice is a nation that tolerates all faiths but follows one and once the HRE becomes too Kappelist for Venice we will leave. Scandinator (talk) 13:22, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

*sigh*  Again with the misunderstandings. You do realize that we let them out of jail because A: We couldn't afford to feed them anymore. And B: We want them to die. Everyone else knows C: They need to go home and enjoy life again.

So you see, the Lord Regent wouldn't really realize that they were sent out to die. They only died because we didn't have time to take care of them. After we finally had time, we threw them in the water. Common way of disposing of the dead bodies back then. So you see, no one would see anything wrong with what I did. And might I remind you that I am the only feller sending you aid to protect your existing government from Kappelists? Life was a bloody hell back then. Literally. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:36, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

OK, whatever. .D  Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 02:00, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

Wrong. Hell is warm, Scraw, and you're in Northern Germany. It's freezing there! (the Pedant strikes again!) The Royal Guns (talk) 12:32, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I have an idea. The rebels here should lose, thanks to the intervention, and later, when the Caliphate falls, and we conquer their lands, the Kappelists should be really supportive of gobbling up the former Caliphate's lands, and then they can stage a revolt. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 21:15, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

Apocalypse:2012
Basically I wish to make a post-nuclear war world with the nuclear war occurring on 21/22 December 2012. Would you be interested in finding sites in Germany and maybe a couple other nearby European nations that would be likely to have been hit by Russia if nuclear war occurred? And then you would also be in charge of organizing the German states that emerge after the war. Scandinator (talk) 23:53, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

Well if you wish you would be in charge of managing the survivor states in Germany. Scandinator (talk) 00:40, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but the Holy Roman Emprie (led by me, for the current point in time), has declared on Bavaria. Included will be everyone, or everyone shall face certain death. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 16:52, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

The part small enough shall be smitten from the Earth, and the remainder forced into servitude of the Emperor and his state, whomever they may be. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 17:21, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Bavarian War
So long as I are not required by the constitution, we will not send any troops or assistance to fight Bavaria. As much as I would like to, I am too cowardly to fully assist you against the full might of the Imperial forces. It would also be hippocritical, taking into account the pro-Catholic anti-Kappelist approach Saxony & co. have been taking.

I'm sorry, and I will campaign for Bavaria to keep it's independence after the war. If I can become Emperor...who knows?

Sincerely, Callumthered (talk) 18:49, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

If secession is retconned, war will be avoided. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 20:43, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Kappelism is much closer to Islam than Catholism (in my opinion), I will, if the Caliphate allows, support you in a war. No need to pay for reparations. Could also gain you some land in the event that HRE goes to war with DME.?Saamwiil, the Humble 21:32, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

I'm offering you the amazing deal of rejoining the Empire! All you have to do is recognize Catholicism in Bavaria and rejoin the Empire for the low low price of no secession and war! But wait! There's more! If you call now, we'll throw in a free no-vassalization pact! Call 1-800-HRE-JOIN! Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 21:37, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Well
Well, it doesn't seem that, by 1530 post, they seem very willing to let you leave.? Saamwiil, the Humble 21:42, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Alrighty then. But you have to accept Catholicism unless His Popeliness blasts on us. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 21:50, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

This is a hypothetical situation wher Von, Fed and Dean are favourable to the war, Bavaria-Russia-DME would most likely win, as said the HRE would be fighting too many wars, that not every one would be efficient. If they concentrate on you, then Kappelism would arise in their own states, if they focus on their own states, they are going to be overrun.? Saamwiil, the Humble 21:50, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Russia would not fight the whole HRE for one state. Anywho, if we went on with this war, DME-Bavaria would fight HRE-Scandinavia, and each side would be locked in a struggling stalemate. Anywho again, I think you should recognize only Catholicism, but allow Kappelism to be practiced quietly, like in Saxony. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein!21:56, November 23, 2012 (UTC) This war is tough. I am entangled in alliances. I am allied to Brandenburg, (i thinkyou too?), Venice, Castille, Russia, and England. I this upcoming inevitable war, i would have to dishonor one alliance. I am not sure what my next move is.--AP

We will probably win. The First Great Holy War as an example. But Russia's support certainly would help. I don't trust them though.? Saamwiil, the Humble 22:04, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Why don't you start in one of your vassals? Bavaria is no good right now because it (with Brandenburg and Venice) is the current center of the Empire. So start in Thuringia maybe, then let it seep slowly into Bavaria. Start off as a secular Christian state, then start leaning towards Kappelism. Let the next Emperor die (I assure you he will die quickly) and then stage a heist in the succession chaos. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:09, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

So that basically means we'll let you people allow Kappelism, but you also have to recognize Catholicism, but you can get rid of it by 1537-ish, when the Emperor dies. Easy as easy gets. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:17, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Stay secular. I'll take a go at the Pope. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:20, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

You have my word, which is more trustworthy than that of politicians and rulers of 16th century Germany. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:21, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

No no, what I mean is I'll scream at him a little. Ya know how it is? Ain't like that many people respect the Pope anyways. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 22:24, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

You're not the only Kappelist state, a bunch of other German states have converted over the past several years.? ? They'll back you in the war. LurkerLordB (Talk) 22:46, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

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It's not hard for me, I just don't like doing the research.? Saamwiil, the Humble 23:20, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Prince Heinrich and everything else
Sorry I didn't post last year, bussy with school. I'm pretty sure that Prince Heinrich is still under my vigilance, not a Catholic one. So if you want I can still give him to you this year, (an old dinasty is better than a new one), but if you want to kill him and replace him there is no problem.?

And if we even see a Religious War in the Empire, count with my support. In case of conflict we should remember to get Austria and Swisstzerland to our side, other way we are going to be separate and unable to join forces.? Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 23:20, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

ATL
Also, I think this should be one of the first event of the ATL (a foew centuries earlier I guess) 30 years war.? Saamwiil, the Humble 23:28, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Medieval World
It begins in 900 CE Cosman246 (talk) 06:23, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

December 1st. And, historically, no--Northumbria was in a period of declining influence. Wessex was rising. I'd recommend you take something on the continent instead Cosman246 (talk) 19:45, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

It begins today Cosman246 (talk) 20:33, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

The next turn has begun, sorry it was late Cosman246 (talk) 09:19, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

State in the middle of Bavaria
That my friend, is the Free Imperial City of Ulm. Scandinator (talk) 23:39, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

You can attack Ulm or occupy it if you wish, it is the same as every other state.

Possible Future Religious War In The Holy Roman Empire And Europe Between Kappelians And Catholics, for short PFRWITHREAEBKAC.


Hi Bavaria, I have been thinking about how we can survive a future religious war. I think that this map show us what States should be our missionaries' target: Swisstzerland, Burgundy, Hungary, Friesland and all the German pink States, plus the Bourbon France. In this hypothetical war maybe we will be able to convince Branderburg and Saxony to be Kappelian if Scandinavia remains neutral, after all, they are surrounded by Kappelians and Orthodoxs. Burgundy and Friesland should also be converted if we want Kappelianism to exist beyond Europe.

I know many Catholic nations won't attack us unless we attack them, so we must be careful. I would love to avoid this war but you now that it's impossible to be in peace with Catholics forever, so we must secure our position and take advantage of the peace. Onve you have read all of this, erase it if you want. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 23:59, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

How do you convince a whole nation to be Kappelist? Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:40, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

You guys know Ireland is partially English. And regardless, way too optimistic here. Scotland is probably not going to be sympathetic here. Though I don't know. And France really isn't going to be with you. Russia will be... unless it comes to war. In which case, I think we'll probably sit out and help the victors pick up the pieces.

The Royal Guns (talk) 19:44, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

Lurk as a mod, yes; Lurk as Scotland, probably not.

I know, but I feel it's fair just to point this out.

The Royal Guns (talk) 00:51, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Yes yes, magnificent idea! It would be amazing to see Muslim Russia. I could send lots of missionaries to you, and we could open up trade together, and your people would come to the Caliphate and go back with stories of amazing Muslim tech, and eventually we could create a Muslim Russia and totally screw with history!

Also, just say something like "Russia expands south and west into black unclaimed territory" for expansion. I'm doing it too. But there are some countries between us. What we expand into them and we don't know? That's why I hate the current map.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:22, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

A Muslim Russian state ay? I might do something similar with the Caliphate successor states. <font color="#000000">VonGlusenburg  (talk to Von!) 14:26, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Woah. As half of Russia, I'd like to point out that we're not going Muslim. Probably. In the near future. *profanity* *Curiosity at how plans were discovered* *more profanity* The Royal Guns (talk) 20:19, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

I figured. But I just thought it interesting that you mimiced my plans in there. The Royal Guns (talk) 20:26, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Conclave
i'm here to introduce me, and to plead for your aid in my postulation to the Title of Emperor of the HRE,asking you to aid me on stablishing John of Burgundy as the next emperor since, this emperor has managed to keep relative peace in his domains in burgundy as a catholic, despite having the continues threat of the Keppelists and the Possibility of confliction with the orthodox catholics from earlier in the game, hence, with this experience maybe hi could be capable of keeping relative peace in the Empire aswell as keeping together the empire, i would appreciate your aid on this Sine dei gloriem (talk) 02:34, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

Hey man remember your word, i need your help in the election, do it for me, we can save the empire, we can help each other in this time, vote for Savoy candidate! Quiari (talk) 03:43, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, a while ago, we made a deal remember? You become Kappelist in the middle of civil war, if you vote for my candidate for Emperor, who will create the war for you to change sides. So vote Louis IX 1549!!!

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 03:56, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

No, unfortunately you can't if you do, this new crackhead emperor won't do anything about it. Then the mods will rule it implausible and screw our Empire from the inside. To be perfectly honest, the only players in our Empire who actually understand things are you, me, and Scan. All these other crackhead states like Burgundy and Savoy (who plays those anyways?) think by avoiding war we will be a very happy and stable nation. What you can do however, is kill the Emperor and we can hold another election, someone else will run, and we get a bunch of people to vote for that guy. Also, if you do the assassination, say he was a Thuringian rebel or something, or a Kappelist or Radical Catholic.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:21, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

You're taking this all the wrong way. Your King is a guy named Max, and he is a very distant cousin of the last king. What are your other questions? Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:08, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

A2012
Are you still in? If so, could we all have a meeting on the Talkpage, to get the timeline going? The apocalypse has occurred! The Royal Guns (talk) 20:55, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

Well, currently the election is over. Louis will become Emperor next turn and begin screwing up Kappelists a year after that, then you can do your plan. The IMG was just being infiltrated by the Red Claw (reviving PMI, lol), the group that killed your King and the Emperor. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:30, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Declare all the alliances null. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 02:17, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Hi Andr3w, I want to ask you for something. From tomorrow to the 4th of January I'm going to be away, so I would like you to post in my place in PMII, two things to do: Improve army or infraestructure. Support any kappelist movement in Europe. If you can't there is no problem, but I will be very dankerfult? if you do it a few times. (I'm trying to learn german by my own, it's very hard) Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 05:10, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Radioactive Tide Reloaded!
You're invited to the post-apocalyptic map game, Radioactive Tide Reloaded! It has begun. Bfoxius (talk)

Now is the time to enact the plan...

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 18:43, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

All that is right.

RE:PMII
Oh, I'm sorry. I must have misunderstood the reason for the war. In that instance you're right, I have no business in it. ChrisL123 (talk) 02:10, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

sorry buddy, I was not playing Venice at the time and i will understand if you wish to reject relations with Venice now. However I would like to continue the Bavarian-Venetian alliance. Scandinator (talk) 01:31, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

I would like to control Switzerland and Lower Austria (Styria and Tyrolia) as well as Hungary. I offer you Upper Austria Bohemia and Nitra. Scandinator (talk) 15:11, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Nice to see you too
Glad to know that you are still here as well. But please, don't try to bring me back into that game. I've been done with that thing ever since we lost that war.

Anything else I should know?

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 21:07, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Oh we're taking parts of your land. (The parts you conquered at the beginning of the game. You're going back to Bavaria Munchen as an independent state and we're taking everything else back into the HRE.

As for Russia, forget about it. The Caliphate just crossed the Mexican border and became the single most implausible nation in the history of map gaming. Fuck them.

The positive side is, I'll get to pick up the pieces and invade Poland. WIN!

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 05:25, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

^^ NO, YOU WILL BLOODY NOT. The Royal Guns (talk) 21:34, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure considering you're a Kappelist nation. What you can do is open your banks and whatnot in Stolkholm, Oslo, Turku, Copenhagen, etc. In MW, the Byzantines invaded a Muslim nation (Crete) and took the Emir hostage! I think we must act.AP (talk) 06:10, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

DEAL! Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 23:44, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Invade Austria after the HRE collapses. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 00:10, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

I was talking to Scraw.AP (talk) 08:15, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Before I answer your questions, I need you to answer a question. Are you or are you not in the HRE?

And then, check out this.

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 15:53, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

I get it now. Oh well. I thought you were still in the Empire. So did everyone else. So did the map. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 18:33, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Oh...Austria is kind of dynastic union with me, but I'll help you conquer Bohemia right after the collapse. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 18:44, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

I hate to break it to you, but the Dutch and Flemish rebels took over their land including East Friesland(probably).AP (talk) 01:22, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Lol, thanks. You want me to archive the page for you?

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