Talk:US Civil War (Map Game)

You may add a nation if it does not appear on the list of countries208.53.97.2 15:08, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

agreedRebelsoldier 15:09, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

This looks like it will be a great game! Good luck everyone! CrimsonAssassin 21:38, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

And just in time for the anniversary, too! Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 00:06, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

My Invisionment of a C.S.A. officer of the WW1 era!Baconton 11:27, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

What the heck?!
Why would France declare war on the USA?! Philidelphia hasn't been captured yet! CrimsonAssassin 13:17, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

I SAID YOU CAN MIX SOME MYTH IN TERE AS WELL!!!!! Rebelsoldier 17:37, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but they declared neutrality before the war even started. And there's no need for caps lock, so calm down. CrimsonAssassin 18:35, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

sorry bout that, will due, by the way, wo is this? Rebelsoldier 18:35, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Two nations
You can control two nations here?Collie Kaltenbrunner 21:53, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you can. PitaKang- (Talk |Contribs) 21:54, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure its only one nation...only Pita has two nations under his control- Batmanary

No, I only have Joseon. However, it said that the rules are the same as AvA, which allows two nations. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 22:28, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

I think he meant the basic guidelines, because otherwise, the creator would have two, yet everybody playing only controls one nation. Bats

I ment the basic guide lines, but if someone wants to use another nation if tey have one already, it must not be currntly acive for at least 3 turns, and that means a country no one as already claimed. If you are a puppet state of another country you may control resistance to the puppet goverment as well the puppet itself. Rebelsoldier 17:36, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

How come Rebelsoldier has 2 nations no1 else has. He's also playing the CSA ony of the main countries in this map game he shouldnt be able to have 2 nations. Whitesight

Map
Look, if this is a map game, where is the map? i only saw one here (the one of Siam)Collie Kaltenbrunner 10:12, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

I will creaate a map of 1870 from the Ah forums maps! Probably one aevery ten of fice years onwards!Baconton 10:25, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Every 5 yeas is good, Baconton is the official map maker Rebelsoldier 17:33, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

End the Civil War!
It is getting out of hand and in real life tall the supplies and reserves of extra troops would be gone!@Baconton 00:27, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Wow.
So, just reading over the game and I think people need to take a step back here. Almost everything that gets written is challenged by another player, this is one reason I don't play the games that involved people choosing a nation. Seems like theres only one or two people devoted to plausibility, and the guy controlling the CSA is definitely not one of them. Seriously, 3 ironclads taking New York, with 16 ships in the harbour? How does that make sense?

I've also had some complaints about people deleting posts. Don't unless theres a consensus that the post is implausible and a revert is necessary.

Anyway, keep it civil, and keep it plausible.Oerwinde 05:32, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Well said and thank you, Oer. This could have been a great war, but I had to anticipate messed-up antics. I expected the whole 'I take a state in one turn' deal, but wow. I underestimated the power of implausibility. I mean, I think this beats Imperial Europe 1 (Yes, I know, I partook in the messed-up antics of crazy expansion, but I was new here at the time) I understand that Rebelsoldier may be enthusiastic about the south getting independence. I live in the South, so I know how crazy people can get over this. Rebel, you're new, you're eagar, but read some other map games to get the hang of it. CrimsonAssassin 20:22, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Mod
Can I be a mod?Baconton 11:09, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

talking about that, who are the mods?Collie Kaltenbrunner 17:10, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

yes, Baconton, you can be a mod and if Collie Kaltenbrunner wants to, she can also be a mod Rebelsoldier 13:31, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

Profile
Somebody would like the idea of profile pages for your nations?oh, and sorry for reverting my own edit.it's that i wrote a category wrong (witw == in the back of the title a = in the front instead of 2 = at each side)Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:20, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

good idea, but lets wait until 1875.0, then we can Rebelsoldier 18:32, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Can I join?
I notice a few nations which are yet to be claimed, could I join? I was thinking of joining as Ethiopia. --VonGlusenburg 17:19, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Of course you can join, as any nation you want that asnt been claimed, Rebelsoldier 17:52, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Right then, I'll start from the current year or should I go back & write bits for each of the previous years? --VonGlusenburg 18:12, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

The current year, you can just say you were in isolation building up your armed forces and industries Rebelsoldier 18:25, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I've gone with something by documenting since 1868.6 (don't worry it doesn't interfer with anyone) as this is when Tekle Giyorgis II becomes nəgusä nägäst of Ethiopia in OTL but then I have him losing the civil war against Yohannes IV earlier thanks to increased international support which is fictional. Ethiopia will go a bit crazier in the coming years mind you...--VonGlusenburg 18:41, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

The Map
I notice this doesn't have a world map, and so to make myself useful I hear-by offer you guys a fairly good map to base your map game on. If you like I could be the resident map guy and do the updates, all I ask is you guys populate the map upto 1870 as I am new & would save me a lot of time going through all of the game so far. Then again I'll probably end up going through it anyway to make sure the map is correct. Anyway that's the blank map we could use that I've shown below.

Hopes this helps guys :) --VonGlusenburg 19:04, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

I put a rough world map, with Siamese, Prussian, and Austrian borders set, as well as US and CS.

Batmanary 20:33, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

I, also put up other map, based in yours.well, my version has borders for the Ottoman Empire, Russia, Brazil, Paraguay, Peru, Bolivia, Chile and ChinaCollie Kaltenbrunner 21:02, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Most of Africa needs to be changed as the scramble has yet to happen, I'll set out creating a really acurate map and read this whole game. Gimme a day or two. --VonGlusenburg 16:07, April 5, 2011 (UTC) Right I did this much quicker then expected, it seems alright; plus the scramble for africa is yet to happen so thats why its mostly blank. If you wanna know who's who I'll colour code it in a minute.--VonGlusenburg 17:43, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Well, i wanna know. if you will be coloring something, can you please put Brazil in Dark Green and Peru in Red?Collie Kaltenbrunner 18:04, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Siam in Yellow, please. Thanks. Bats

Paraguay can be in orange. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:49, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Kay thanks. A lot easier to see. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 00:40, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Britain does not own Malaya, which is how Siam annexed it. At this point, only the port of Singapore is British...

Im pretty sure that Manchuria is Russian at this time... Whitesight 22:23, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Manchuria is Chinese and never was Russian ever. The area was in the Russian sphere of influence though & they had rail rights in the area but never total control.VonGlusenburg 19:07, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

You make the map as long as it stays good looking!Baconton 18:51, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

A new map will be up for the year starting 1875 guys. But should I do the map for borders at the start of the year, middle of the year or at the end? VonGlusenburg 19:07, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Beginning. That way you don't have to change it when people add late turns. Also, try to use a .png format. Other than that, great map, keep up the good work! Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 19:23, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

This is what North Amrica should look like...


Yeah this war isn't gonna happen for a good few years as the CSA would still be rebuilding itself VonGlusenburg 21:02, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Why are they in my states/territories? CrimsonAssassin 21:29, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

I think Rebel is getting a bit too ahead of himself :P VonGlusenburg 21:52, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

You think?! CrimsonAssassin 21:55, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry guys, I have asked the USA for an allince repeatedly, and Im just blowing off steam just look at the Entente, its huge but even though we like peace, w all want war soner or later, and Im not gonna attack the USA and the Joint Alliance due to the fact the Entente will probabgly view me as an agresor, and not come to my aid, so this is what may happen, and if the CSA and USA do go to war again,it could go either way due to our major string of alliances, and as of yet, I dont realy want a world war. --Rebelsoldier 00:30, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

The answer is no. We just had a war. I'm sure you're plotting another implausible war with me. If you're going to invade me because I wasn't responding, you go right ahead. Just go ahead and violate the peace treaty. Nevertheless, your account probably won't be around long enough for the 2nd Confederate-American War. I know about your puppet account and you will be banned soon. Enjoy it while it lasts. CrimsonAssassin 01:01, April 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * sigh* Just let the Map Game proceed as it goes...We shouldn't plan this far ahead. I know that we're on an "alliance", but this is getting a bit ridiculous... Rcox1995 01:40, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Just so you know
Right firstly I'll be making a new map every 5 years & I'm just gonna go through the map game now & fix some of the spelling & grammar errors in this map game cause there bugging me. VonGlusenburg 20:59, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Yo, want to be a mod? there is still one open position.Collie Kaltenbrunner 09:35, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah go on then I'd be honnored. VonGlusenburg 17:23, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Could I be a moderator? JSimcox 14:37, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

3 issues now Rebelsoldier's been banned
Since RebelSolider is now banned we have a few things to do, firstly we could do with a new mod, secondally I've noticed that CrimsonAssassin took over the CSA, but since he is the USA already & the main diversion point of this map game is the succession of the CSA I don't think its right that he controls these two pivotal nations especially when they're bitter rivals. Finally what about the CSA's colonies in Africa? Should we assume they fall through and are destroyed by natives? VonGlusenburg 21:28, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * If possible, may I take the mod position? If not, it's fine. I think that I may be material enough. And, I would think that colonies set up by a nation that had JUST gotten out of war would be extremely weak, and that the colonies would have fallen. The issue of the CSA in general, however, I'm not sure. Rcox1995 02:22, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Just let's not restart the game. if possible, wipe out all his (rebelsoldier) posts.but if we restart the game, we will lose a lot of inactive players, and past postsCollie Kaltenbrunner 08:06, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sadly, it's true. However much he spammed implausibility, it kept the game alive. I believe that we should remove all implausiblisibility, and then try to recruit somebody to take the CSA. Rcox1995 14:03, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Can I be a mod? Batmanary/Bats
 * Also, the CSA should be given to a new player...
 * Well, this is the US Civil War Map Game. It does say that the CSA must win. But...It did never say anything about the USA/Mexico "reclaiming" their land.....Rcox1995 17:22, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah I think the CSA should have war declared on them & invaded by multiple nations not just USA & Mexico. I'd rather that than starting the game again. Just make sure that the invasion of CSA takes a good few turns.VonGlusenburg 23:23, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay. How would it turn out? Would the US take back all of it, or will other nations "colonize"? But, I can most definitely agree to those terms. I have no problem with that. Rcox1995 01:10, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd say Spain take Florida, Mexico take everything west of Louisiana and possibly Cuba (Spain could take it as well.), US takes everything else.
 * Sure, why not? It would make things interesting. Rcox1995 01:35, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm coming back into this map game, so anyway, I want to give you this proposals:
 * Mexico gets it's territories during the and Florida.
 * An independent state is formed in Creole Louisiana.
 * The rest goes to the US.

Fed (talk) 01:48, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Mexico couldn't get that territory, as most of it is American. They would only get Arizona and Texas, which isn't a lot.

another proposal:


 * all Mexican territory lost in the Mexican-American-War is returned to Mexico, with the exception of territory conquered by Republic of Texas in its maximum extent. (here's a a mapof the Republic of Texas for reference) USA can take territory out of the north of these California/Nevada areas, if necessary.


 * the rest, including the Texan territory mentioned above is returned to USA.
 * the CSA colonies in Africa are destroyed by the natives or given to European powers.

Collie Kaltenbrunner 10:52, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

The CSA colonies would be destroyed since they had only just been set up anyway. As for Mexico I'm thinking they take California, Arizona, New Mexico and some of Texas. Spain takes Florida & Cuba. The USA gets the rest. Thats my opinion on how things should go down.

But there is something which we all seem to be forgeting: the CSA in the Entente. If you attack one Entente member, then the rest would rush to their defence, meaning attacking the CSA cause a world war basically. Personally I think a world war this early would be quite interesting... VonGlusenburg 12:27, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

hi, im new here, my name is JSmjcox, could I take control of the CSA, if no one else is. Personaly Id prefer the USA, but thts already taken, its ok if i cant, im just interested in the civil war period. JSimcox 16:11, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Hazah! Good show JSmicox you've solved our problems. Now take the CSA & we can continue this game!VonGlusenburg 16:42, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

I think WWI in the 1800s would be quite interesting. Anyway, as the guy who controls the US, I would just like my territory that was seceded back. Mexico can have Baja and their stuff back. Spain gets Cuba back. I really want to have good terms with France again. Britain, you're welcome to be friends with the US or you're welcome to continue to be stingy.

CrimsonAssassin 20:06, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Mexico
I notice that Mexico is inactive.Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:45, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah we could do with somebody to take over Mexico. Does anybody know somebody who'd like to join this game? VonGlusenburg 16:47, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Iv been reading through the posts and isnt France in control of Mexico? Whitesight

There's some other countries which have been inactive for a while too. VonGlusenburg 13:56, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

1875 Map
I'll soon be building the map for 1875 but I'm a little confused about a few things: VonGlusenburg 10:44, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Has Russia taken over all of the Ottoman Empire?
 * Why hasn't Korea done anything for a while?
 * Has Bolivia ceased to exist as an independent nation? Should I class the majority of it as part of Paraguay?

Basically refer to the map that was created earlier of the partition of Bolivia (~1867.0). Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 13:06, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Kenny. Now this is here is the world map circa 1874.6 so if there's any problems do say so the 1875 map is accurate as possible. Note I'm gonna make a map now for the start of each year as I had to spend a fair bit of time then reading back to make sure everything is correct. VonGlusenburg 13:54, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

I thought the CSA was defeated. God Bless the United States of America 14:35, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

We should probably try to use a .png format. Also, I thought we confiscated the CSA African colonies? Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 00:39, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * We were going to confiscate the CSA African Colonies because we didn't have a player for the CSA and the USA was gonna take over, then the CSA got a new player so we didn't have too VonGlusenburg 17:20, April 14, 2011 (UTC).

French Mexico does now own Guatamala.-Baconton
 * Is French Mexico the big mexico in the current map? As in the Mexico in a pink colour?VonGlusenburg 08:53, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Russia only owns The Ottoman Balkans and Constantinople Whitesight 22:19, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * It does, look at the mapVonGlusenburg 08:53, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * I know I was just answering you question saying Russia does not all of the Ottoman empire. Whitesight 09:23, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright then, but when you just added that message why did all of the line spaces in this talk page disappear?VonGlusenburg 11:50, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

The Players in this game
Bobalugee1940 the former player for Japan has left the game just to let you guys know. If you can try to get your friends playing this game because there are still a lot of nations without players! VonGlusenburg 20:03, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

Far East Pact < League of Emperors?
I have a proposal for Prussia, Russia, Austria and Ethiopia to join the Far East Pact, which includes Siam, Japan and Korea, which will be renamed the League of Emperors. The pact between these countries would allow a counterbalance to the Entente, and keep any mutual interest in Asia, Europe and Africa aligned, and would allow each Pact member a close ally in the case of war with any other nations with colonial intents. If you joined the league would consist of:


 * Empire of Siam
 * Empire of Austria
 * Empire of Prussia/Germany
 * Empire of Korea
 * Empire of Japan
 * Empire of Ethiopia
 * Empire of Russia

After consideration, I would agree to this, as the German Empire. Rcox1995 01:10, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Ethiopia would be willing to join, and if this pact was created, then I have a good idea on how the League of Emperor's & some other nations could all help together and divide Britain up as Britain's player has gone quiet.VonGlusenburg 10:00, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Other nations aside of these can join?Collie Kaltenbrunner 21:16, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Not if you are currently part of the Entente, or Britain.

Yes, my plan was exactly like that. Siam would get India. (not very implausible in the 1880s, really.), Germany and Ethiopia would get Africa, and Russia would get the Levant. Siam, methinks would create a sphere of influence in the Pacific and the Indian Ocean, Russia in the Middle East, and Germany and Ethiopia in Africa. Batmanary 21:29, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Britain
Hey we need a Britain they were one of the biggest superpowers of this time and i don't think Matt is playing anymore. Whitesight 22:33, April 19, 2011 (UTC)