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Visual Editor
Visual Editor is now online on the wiki. However, personally, and I have receieved the same view from others, the new editor is a bit of a pain and quite annoying. Now for those user who do not know, you can still use the old editor by changing personal preferences and choosing the "Classic Wiki-editor".

Although I would like toknow what the general opinion of this new editor is and if we should generally still use the old wiki-editor throughout the wiki? Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:46, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

I have seen a lot of people upset about the new editor, including EoGuy, LaptopZombie, and Crim to name a few, and personally have sent messages to some people showing them how to switch back to the old editor. Based on that I'd say the new editor is very unpopular. Perhaps we should hold a vote here. Mscoree (talk) 20:42, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

In Eo's case, he needs source mode- so for him it's justified. I can't speak for LZ, but Crim is being a whiny old fusspot.

I personally love the new system.

22:56, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

With regards to map games, I don't like the new editor, although for editing timelines or general articles I like it. However, I don't know if we as a wiki have the authority to change something on that scale, and I think there would be opposition if we could. I think we should just ensure that people know how to switch back if they want to.

"This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 23:01, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

The new one is garbage except that it makes editing templates easier. I still use the old format  (classic or whatever). I vote to have a vote.

23:47, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

Me, I've always used source mode, seems best to edit on a tablet, In my opinion. Especially if you always use it for wikia XD. Saturn (Talk/Blog) 00:27, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Personally, being new to the wiki, I think that the new editor is better than the old. But I do think that we should have a vote on it. Upvoteanthology (talk) 01:20, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Personally, I hate it. I want to use the old editor and had to change it in my settings. Reason why I don't like it is because it takes forever loading on my crappy school laptop, I also just want to edit particular sections when it seems to edit everything. Aternix !?  01:24, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Advantages:


 * On fast connections, it loads WAY faster cause you don't need a whole new page to be loaded.


 * Makes editing general TL pages and talkpages much easier.


 * Makes editing templates easier.

Disadvantages:

Well, not so much a list of disadvantages as a list of salty old curmudgeons.

01:48, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Source editor ftw, just give people the choice to switch between editors if possible so we are all happy? We each have different preferences and needs for the editor so lets do the best to accomodate as much diversity as possible. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 02:46, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Guns I don't know what you're talking about. For me, on several devices, it takes on average five times longer for the new editor to load. On top of that it makes editing large pages and templates almost impossible, and makes even the most basic edits difficult. I literally tried three times just to sign my signature on TE v. CP, before having to switch to source editor in preferences. Mscoree (talk)

Well, I dislike the new editor (primarily due to the map game issues) and the first day it came out, I figured out how to fix the problem by setting preferences. The new editor definitely needs to be worked out on a Wikia-wide scale, in my opinion.

For now, however, we can manually revert to the Classic or Source editors depending upon our preferences. Are we even sure that the TSPTF can change the default on the wiki, or is this all hypothetical?

I agree that we need to have some sort of a vote on the matter, that or the TSPTF should have a vote on the matter. But, as I indicated, this vote will really have no effect on users who can access preferences. The best solution would be to simply inform people who are upset how to change their preferences in the event that we decide to stick with the system. Yours in Wikihood, 05:50, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Ok, so some like it and some don't. A clear solution is just to put up a guide on how to manually change personal preferences. It keeps both sides happy. I'll put up a guide on here in a few hours. I'll also put up a link for it on the community messages. Imp (Say Hi?!) 09:29, November 14, 2014 (UTC)W

We cannot disable it since Wikia staff made it.IrishPatriot (talk) 12:45, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

No, we can do that. Like what Imp said, just go to personal preferences and let the who want to keep a Classic editor disable it personally. FirstStooge (talk) 14:55, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

I meant we can't remove it completely from the wiki (i didn't mean that we can't disable it personally). IrishPatriot (talk) 15:04, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

No Liker we can completely remove it from the wiki. We can remove it wiki wide. This thread was made to discuss whether or not we should. Mscoree (talk) 15:11, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Why SHOULD we? Some of us like it, some don't, and it takes 10 seconds to change! If you don't like it, go to preferences and click a button, dammit!

23:36, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

I believe at this point the discussion is no longer about banning it outright, as a few users have voiced their opinion in keeping it. I was just trying to explain to Liker that it is possible to remove it hypothetically. Mscoree (talk) 23:43, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

I personally use Source mode for anything except Copy-Paste stuff.

Only use source mode myself.

As for removing it, Ms, no such option. It is here to stay whether we like it or not.

Lordganon (talk) 12:06, November 16, 2014 (UTC)



There is the step by step guide for those confused on how to change editing preferences. Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:32, November 16, 2014 (UTC)

Notice
Many people are drawing similarities between the names of Ratc333 and Ratcolor. They are not the same person. I've talked with Ratcolor. I'd go as far as saying they're opposites of each other. Going to clear this up before this becomes an issue. Thank you.

Crim de la Crème 23:09, November 16, 2014 (UTC)

Woah. I was just thinking the same thing. I was like "could Ratc not have chosen a more imaginative title that Ratcolor?" Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:58, November 16, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I was initially suspicious too, but I love this guy.

Which, note, is almost certainly NOT a ringing endorsement, but still.

00:38, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

End PM3, Vandalization, and more
So, a few users on chat (Tr0llis, Toby2, Harvenard2, Mscoree and RexImperio) have started propagating the idea of forcibly ending pm3. This wouldn't have been such a problem, had one of them (Harvenard2), vandalized the pm3 main page.

Moreover, a member of the TSPTF (Toby2) seems to have indirectly allowed this to happen, as seen below.

Finally, Feudalplague is constantly portrayed as some sort of tyrant who does whatever he wants. Now, I'm not saying he doesn't have some flaws, but this is taking it too far. Sky Green 24 (P, Q ) 14:52, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Hopefully someone sees these before they are deleted. Guns is now really mad at us and cursing us off in all caps. It's all a manner of time before I'm banned from chat, and if what Guns is saying is true, before he "pays off" an admin to ban us. I don't even know what to think anymore. Tr0llis (talk) 16:07, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Maybe Guns has a victim complex or something, but now he's saying us non admins, the people he's supposed to be moderating, are out of control and insulting to him, even though the evidence seems to say otherwise. "Guns, if we had done what you said, you would have prevented us from getting banned?" - Mscoree; they are having a conversation now about buying their innocence. Is this really how it's supposed to work? Tr0llis (talk) 16:13, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

12/10 logic. I state that I'm going out of my way to stop you from being banned, and you assume you're going to be chatbanned. I state that I'm defending you and the other people who did this on the TSPTF talkpage- true, BTW- and you assume that means I'm "paying off" other TSPTF members. I state that I'm one of the few TSPTF members here who DOESN'T actively dislike you and Ms, and you decide that means that I'm corrupt.

I mean, I can't even comprehend the illogicity of those statements.

16:11, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Great, somehow this has spiraled out of control into a completely different issue. Lordganon or one of the bias admins Guns describes are going to get one look at this and ban ms for all eternately most likely, probably Tr0llis too. Simply put he tried to uncover something far beyond him, and it's going to come off all wrong. Another thing, Guns came on chat today and immediately banned me, not sure why. Wouldn't be surprised if the people on this page were banned by Guns, "accidentally" in some cases. Harvenard2 (talk) 16:20, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

This is some bullshit right here. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 16:53, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

First I will give a full detailed explanation of what happened

Well here is how this started. Early in the morning i was on chat when NK suggested that PM3 be rebooted. we liked the idea, but both left so originally none of it  was taken too seriously. In the morning, i come on to find blocky and ms arguing over westphalia (i even had to kick blocky once for repeated insults hurled at the user). Here is where I resuggested the reboot. Many people were tired of the apparent mod bias (mostly those who they deemed undesirable, which were Ms and his allies). In order to enact this Ms stated we should change our avatars in a silent protest. We did, to enact a little humor and give our point across. Now at this time (before Windows eight updated and i lost all my work >:(. ) You can see my first post in the picture above. I meant to say "das good" in respoince to my accidental descaling of the picture, which i fixed. When he mentioned the banner, i said "I am not allowed to allow what those deem vandalism" (although since crim did it before i was hesitant to do anything) I mentioned johnston's tennessee because i was working on it, as well as other wiki and non wiki stuff, so i was kind of busy. Hoping guns wasnt away (because his name didnt say away under it) I went to do just that. I come back realizing that people had considered it vandalism and guns WAS away., so i rollbacked the page. Yes i know i did wrong, a lot, by even taking part in this, and i probably should have been more specific, but apart from the PM3 mods seeing it vandalism i dont see the problem here. I also should have known that it was vandalism, that i take full responsibility for.

As for the Fed issue. '''If you are going to compare someone to ISIS, do it in your head, at least until Mscoree and Tr0llis start killing Shias and Stoning gays. Seriously that was way too low a blow. '''Unfortunately it has come to a lot of our attention that not just in PM3, but the whole wiki, is biased towards some users. And seeing how everything you say will be copyedited and posted on a talk page for a kangaroo court, i shall say no more.

Thank you Toby2: THEY CALL ME Mr. Awesome!!!

Its funny people think Ms is going to be banned, when he isn't even on my radar for people I may potentially ban because of all the shit which has happened over the last month. Harv push his luck, lets hope one month gives him time to think. If anyone feels this needs to be extended in the TSPTF, be my guest.

You do realise Guns was trying to help you correct? Talk about burning an olive branch.

I did expect more from Toby however. And the others, this is your last warning. I don't want to know what happened, because I have seen all I need to. I just do not want any more discussion on here on this topic. Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:10, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Goddammit Imp, I had all these words I was going to write and then you write this.

19:12, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Soz man, go post them up anyway. Would appreciate some backup. Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:15, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Isn't a month kind of extreme? I mean we've give anonymous trolls who spam multiple pages with curse words one to two weeks on occasion. Going off what Imp said, the punishment is one month simply because "no one would object" and because "he's annoying". Basically because people are mad at Harv, rather than give him the punishment for the crime, they might as well give him a month. In my opinion that's not really fair, it brings in your personal bias/opinions on Harv. At the same time all he did was post a single image, honestly just delete it. Tr0llis (talk) 19:31, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

It's still vandalism. Anyway, it's hard to take any screenshots of chat at face value because you can't tell if they've been taken out of context or altered or whatever. Also, Guns was most definitely offering to vouch for you but apparently you thought it was a trap.

19:42, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

It's not that we thought it was a trap, it's the fact he was willing to sell his testimony basically. Regardless Imp is promising that there will be consequences for Guns, which is slightly relieving. Tr0llis (talk) 19:49, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Wow. Way to have another pointless argument-of-the-week. Literally nothing was accomplished from this giant wall-of-text on the TSPTF talk. Personally, I think we should implement stricter rules for when chat mods should kick/ban, as it seems that either a chat mod is doing too little or too much when these arguments come up. —Bfoxius (talk)

"Sell" my testimony for what, exactly? I asked one thing of you, and that's that you stop arguing with me when I said you shouldn't be banned!

Hah, funny. If there are any consequences beyond him buying me a drink (figuratively), I'm going to laugh at the absurdity of this wiki.

Harvey, you were banned for vandalizing the PM3 page.

21:13, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

I'd say concerning how its all built up over this last month a ban for a month is warranted. The annoyomus trolls get those bans because they are looking for somewhere to attach themselves to troll, if you stright-away show you won't put up with that crap and ban them, then they quickly lose interest. The bigger problem is the trolls which get latched onto the Wiki and develop a personal grudge (e.g. the whole Owen saga). They will have some friends which voch for them and they have contributed stuff, so ultimately mods feel bad about removing people who have contributed to the wiki in a postitive way. However when the treshold for a user becomes more bad contributions than good, well then its time to say no thanks and ban them to stop more bad contributions. Obviously though people will seem to be biased because they see more good contributions or bad contributions to the Wiki. I see more bad contributions from the people involved here so I say ban them. Once the majority of mods feel this way as well, then a ban will happen. Hopefully then the person improves and stops being bad. If they keep up the bad then they are banned again because then it seems they developed a grudge or something.

But when users are repeatedly banned and show no sign of correcting their behaviour, then I must just say they are neither use nor ornament. Why bother giving them the time of day to try and reason with them. They are more trouble than they are worth. Whatever happened to three strikes? Thank you for blocking Harv for a month Imp. I'd make it a year if he comes back and continues his bullshit. If you could now just deal out some more bans to people so we don't have to keep having one of these big clusterfuck arguments about a map game that'd be great.

The ISIS thing was low, but obviously 1 man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. This video explains this difference of viewpoints very well. But yeah I think its safe to say ISIS are not fighters for freedom, rather freedom to impose a horrible ideology.... VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 03:41, December 1, 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you Von. [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:42, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Minor Vandalism
Apparently this person has been vandalising articles, probably not knowing the rules of proper edict. Just decided to bring it to the attention to the TSPTF to deal with this and to disipline correctly. Saturn (Talk/Blog) 17:13, December 4, 2014 (UTC)

That anonymous IP was already blocked twice by LG and Kogasa. Only way to discipline that person is by blocking it for more longer time. FirstStooge (talk) 01:42, December 5, 2014 (UTC)

Gave him a three month block. He really is going to do no good. Hopefully gets the idea and stops visiting us. Imp (Say Hi?!) 10:19, December 5, 2014 (UTC)

Imperial Machines
Some commotion in chat came up about this timeline Imperial Machines and whether it was a derivative work or not. It does have a lot of references to Wreck-it-Ralph, but I figured I would ask the Brass for their thoughts on the matter, as in my opinion it seems to be in a gray area in that regard.

Thanks,

"This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 18:16, December 5, 2014 (UTC)

"Gray" is a good word for this one. This is about as close as one can get to derivative, in my opinion, and not get it deleted. Lordganon (talk) 12:52, December 6, 2014 (UTC)

Upvoteanthology
I have suspended Upvoteanthology for three days. This is because he uploaded a clearly inappropriate file for the purpose of harassing another user (TechnicallyIAmSean). I have removed the file and the comments. -- 05:13, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Greatly disappointing, coming from Upvote. Too bad. 05:38, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Wow wow wow calm down. I get that it may seem as harrassing, but I request you unban him. It was a joke, and it has a seperate context. I was not offended. I actually laughed about it a lot. Tech (talk)

^ i also believe it was a joke. IrishPatriot (talk) 11:29, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

When I saw the image I too was under the impression it was a joke. Mscoree (talk) 13:50, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

It was just a joke, it was Upvotes Secret Santa gift for Tech, resembling what happened in the latest ATWar game beetween them. Though I do admit that the image might be a bit inappropriate for the wiki, I think you should Unban him due to this misunderstanding. Saturn (Talk/Blog) 15:08, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

As they all said, please have a TSPTF member unban him. Tech (talk) 15:56, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Technically, regardless of whether it was offensive or not, it was inappropriate, which is against Wiki rules. That's the cause of the ban, so he'll be back when the ban is over. It's just three days. Cour *talk* 16:06, December 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * Couldn't have explained it better, Courageous. Context or not, Upvote's "gift" was poor judgement at best and still not tolerated. His suspension will remain in place. -- 19:09, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Hello, everyone. My ban has now expired, and I would like to say that I believe that although it was meant as a joke, you guys did the right thing. This wiki is simply not a place for things that I did, and I broke the rules. I did not try to harrass him, as Sean has previously said, but I am still regretting my decisions. Upvoteanthology ( Talk | Sandbox ) 20:42, December 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * He regrets, he repents. It is all good Upvote welcome back. [[Image:1.png|23px]] Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:50, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

Sign-ups Issue
So, if you click on the link, you might notice that there's something wrong with the sign-ups section of PM3 (or it might just be me, but that'd be even weirder). Sky Green 24 (P, Q ) 14:18, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

This belongs on the PM3 talkpage, I think, not here.

00:58, December 10, 2014 (UTC)

But you see, the issue isn't that it's outdated, the issue is that it somehow glitches when I click on that section. I checked it in source mode, but I didn't see anything wrong with it there. Sky Green <font color="531F72">24 (<font color="A00000">P, Q ) 10:21, December 10, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, still belongs on the PM3 talkpage, imo.

23:35, December 10, 2014 (UTC)

Wikia App
Please see this message left on my talk page. I think I am the only admin who got it. Looks like AltHistory is getting an app. Mitro (talk) 18:41, December 10, 2014 (UTC)

What is the process of making this app? Is it actually going to happen? <font color="Green">Upvoteanthology ( Talk | Sandbox )

Wow! This is really quite neat. I think its kind of ironic that, just a couple of months ago, we were discussing whether or not we could have better mobile interface, and then *BAM* Wikia comes and gives us the opportunity to do so. I just wonder: what do we, as a community, or the TSPTF have to do to get this and make it happen? 07:03, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

This is awesome! Nice Tech (talk)

This should ease up problems a lot of users face. Hopefully this will help increase contributions users can now make. Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:50, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

Does this mean Recent Wikia Activity is enabled for mobile? it might be only me but i cannot view Recent Wikia Activity on mobile even if the Wikia Skin is changed. IrishPatriot (talk) 13:45, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

You have to view the full site version of the site in order to access recent wiki activity on mobile. Mscoree (talk) 15:09, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

FINALLY, PRAISE THE WIKILORDS!!! —Bfoxius (talk)

Hmmph. Good news, overall.

Really wish we knew the criteria for how they choose who to leave the note with, lol.

Lordganon (talk) 09:57, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

Minor Vandal
This user recently vandalized the homepage to 83DD. Just so you mods are aware. 15:55, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

Kingtrevor-Pittsburgh
He confessed, the picture says enough. And Edge also has proof Tech (talk)

I already banned him from chat, so the rest is up to the admins. I can't really say anything more. He could have solved all of this if he simply apologized, but he had to go on and run his mouth after he was caught. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 21:23, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

You lied to him, and used it agianst him, if the cops did that they SHOULD be in jail, but with all this crap in 'Merica you probley woundn't. Bottom line you lied to him to trick so he should serve his old ban. <font color=Purple face="Algerian">OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM

Oct, the myth that police officers can't arrest you if they promise they aren't a police officer, or cannot arrest you for telling some sort of other lie in order to catch you, is a myth. Mscoree (talk) 21:49, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, entrapment is a defence you can clearly use in many nations around the world against criminal liability, but only to reduce a sentence, and only if the criminal action you participated in was induced by the police's lie. Kingtrevor/Pittsburgh didn't have to be induced to come back and create a new account; he did on his own accord, and therefore wouldn't be able to use entrapment as a defence in court. Besides he's nothing more than a troll and sockpuppeter. <font color="#00008B">RichMill | Talk 00:51, December 12, 2014 (UTC)

^ Exactly. If an undercover police officer goes to your house and talks you into buying some drugs, say, when you wouldn't have normally, then that's entrapment. If you go to the undercover cop, on the other hand, you can still go down for possession.

As Rich said, Trevor already committed the crime.

Not, of course, that entrapment applies to the wiki anyway.

01:48, December 12, 2014 (UTC)

Correct. You admit something like this, and you're gone. Don't care about the context. Lordganon (talk) 09:57, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

God, I was waiting for this. And I missed it? Shame......Spartian300 (talk) 15:39, December 16, 2014 (UTC)

What of this new guy, Amekea? Could he be trevor? Frankly, I'm not sure. I am just wary of all newbies thanks to trevor. Although, I did make a sockpuppet myself once. It was to get revenge on a wiki that I despise.......Spartian300 (talk) 15:42, December 16, 2014 (UTC)

Please don't report every random new person, unless you actually have evidence of sockpuppeting. Mscoree (talk) 15:43, December 16, 2014 (UTC)

I have a strong distrust of newbies thanks to trevor. My trust must be earned. Spartian300 (talk) 16:36, December 16, 2014 (UTC)

Then go earn your trust elsewhere. If we were half as suspicious as you are, we'd have permabanned you the second you said "sockpuppet".

01:28, December 18, 2014 (UTC)

Watch out for my sockpuppet, though. I have trolling brothers, and don't trust them. If you see Mur-Dorr., then ban him. That is my sockpuppet. It will most likely be one of them. Spartian300 (talk) 10:44, December 18, 2014 (UTC)

Really, Pittsburgh is Kingtrevor? Since when he was banned from chat, I asking you one of admins to ban this Kingtrevor's sockpuppet Pittsburgh45 because is already on the title Kingtrevor-Pittsburgh.

...

Eric, he's already banned... Saturn120 (Talk/Blog) 12:05, December 18, 2014 (UTC)

But we need one of admins to block this account Kingtrevor's sockpuppet Pittsburgh45 because is already on the title Kingtrevor-Pittsburgh.

....Like Saturn said, he is already blocked. IrishPatriot (talk) 12:23, December 18, 2014 (UTC)

Eric, this thread is from a week ago. Spartian decided to reopen it for some reason. Mscoree (talk) 13:17, December 18, 2014 (UTC)

I wanted to warn you guys. I don't trust my brothers, and fear the day they find my sockpuppet. I don't use it much, but......Spartian300 (talk) 13:43, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

A) Shut up about your sockpuppet.

B) If your "brothers" DO find your sockpuppet and vandalize, you're getting banned too.

00:02, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

I thought the internet had evolved past using the brother as an excuse.

00:31, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

The internet has. The Octards have not.

00:32, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

Change your password to something they don't know. Problem solved.

—Bfoxius (talk)

Okay, I have to stop you right there. My brothers are real. I am not making this up. Just be warned. If I start making comments like, "farts" "nude party" or "plops" ban me for an hour. I will find my brothers out. And boot them off. Plus, I don't log out. Spartian300 (talk) 20:35, December 28, 2014 (UTC)

Vandal
I found this vandal trying to change an art lice, and since no admins were on chat atm, I think it is appropriate to bring it up here. Saturn120 (Talk/Blog) 16:03, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

Heh. Thanks for the note, though I do go through the edit list each day, as an fyi. =) Lordganon (talk) 12:29, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

Eric4e
So Eric is an infamous user on chat, mostly for his poor english and obssesion with Sugar Rush, Wreck it Ralph, Japan, and Sweden. Recently, JoshtheRoman started a map game, Novum Saeculum (Map Game). In this game, Eric attempted to pick Japan, though he was told he could not. The Nation was then taken by Sean. When Eric got on chat, he freaked out (screen shots will be provided), telling Sean to die and spamming all caps, as well as threatening to send pictures to Sean that Sean didn't want to see. he has had a histroy of being a brat (to be frank about it) and I fugred that the TSTPF should act on this. Sean has screenshots for this post.

Screenshots right here:

Tech (talk)

There also happened a Edit War, which Eric4e started. 20:19, December 21, 2014 (UTC)IrishPatriot (talk)

'''Please don't block me! Thanks! I really a good user now. I feeling so happy now.'''

This isn't the first time Eric has done something like this. In Alternate Nations 3 he attempted to "steal the game", in the sense that he proclaimed himself the owner and removed the actual owner. He continued to misbehave once he was banned from the game. Tr0llis (talk) 20:29, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

Yea, Eric basically killed Alternate Nations 3. I (the head mod) was on vacation for a few weeks and when I returned, the game was in shambles because of him.

—Bfoxius (talk)

Given his actions on the wiki as a whole, I have banned him for a day from the wiki and from chat for three days. If other members of the TSPTF feel that is too little, go ahead and lengthen it within reason.

"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 23:04, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

That's... I... I don't think I have ever seen Wreck-It-Ralph porn used as a threat before. Props for creativity, but anti-props for a bad attitude. Crim de la Crème 23:11, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

Would have done more like a week myself, but it's good. Lordganon (talk) 12:11, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure on what kind of drugs Eric is, but I'll have what he's having.

On a more serious note, I do believe that LG has a point. It probably should be longer, atleast the chatban. <font color="#FF0000">S <font color="#04690C">k <font color="#FF0000">y <font color="#04690C">G <font color="#FF0000">r <font color="#04690C">e <font color="#FF0000">e <font color="#04690C">n <font color="#FF0000">2 <font color="#04690C">4 <font color="#FF0000">( <font color="#04690C">P <font color="#FF0000">, <font color="#04690C">Q <font color="#FF0000">) 14:06, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

Indeed, Eric has done several questionable things earlier, mainly on chat. Tech (talk) 14:29, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

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...To clarify, by "It's good" I meant I won't change it. One of the worst things one admin can do to another is to undercut their judgments. MP can change it should he choose to do so, but I won't touch it. In general, that goes for any judgment, barring it being far too shot or long. Lordganon (talk) 12:23, December 23, 2014 (UTC)

Stripping
Right. Things are starting to get to a point where I feel this has to be done. Although the TSPTF usually handles things pretty well, I believe that some users are crossing the limit. One of these in Guns. Now Guns is a good member of the wiki, but he tends to forget limits. Unfortunately this is reaching a critical point and I believe something has to be done. As such, I am giving Guns a warning to improve his behaviour in arguments, which I understand can get pretty heated, and to keep calm. Otherwise I would have to look into talking to other TSPTF members on stripping his constabulary.

Nothing is happening now but I believe a warning to Guns was necessary. Imp (Say Hi?!) 13:44, December 23, 2014 (UTC)

Alternate History Wiki YouTube Channel
Well, gentlemen. I have been seeing things all over the Wiki und I have decided to propose the creation of a YouTube channel for the Alternate History Wiki, my good sirs.

How would any of this work? How would this be run? Who owns it? Etc. Also if you want to make a youtube channel no one is stopping you. Mscoree (talk) 02:35, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

Tbh i think someone with youtube administration experience (i volunteer as i used to run my friends youtube for his old weekly show). Along with this i also think its someone that could organize and realize whats nonsensical BS and whats appropriate to put up there. A Propoganda video against a user would be unacceptable while a Timelapse of someones Timeline or a specific event for a timeline (which would have its own category) would be acceptable

In order to prevent ridiculousness with it i do suggest that (if im given admin over the youtube channel) that the password also be given to Someone like Crim, Imp, or some other active TSPTF member to prevent it from straying off the actual purpose. Which i beleive would be to showcase our community as something productive with the communal ability to write alternative histories (which is essentially what map games are.. competitive timeline making with an algorithm to determine various outcomes all within the same timeline) However regardless of any of the bad stuff that could be done i do agree that the Youtube account could very well be used to advertise us to potential timeline makers and good potential wiki users.

Ace is on the right track i think and i think we have been a little lacking in terms of new users coming around recently and have been relatively unwelcoming at times due to that whole ratc thing. Regardless this just seems like a better way to advertise our wiki to people that would generally enjoy looking up alternate histories and map timelapses among other things.

I also do propose that some sort of trailer for Doomsday be made, i have decent video making skills so if anything i could churn one or two out to showcase one of out best timelines. This would more than not be able to show what the wiki is also about rather than just throwing up a bunch of map game timelapses.

I can help out, as I used to run a few Youtube channels. I also have experience making videos, so I can hopefully create some content. I think it would be beneficial to have some sort of content judging, where a group of people agree that a content creator can go ahead with some sort of series or video. Overall I think this is a good idea, I just wasn't sure on the specifics at first. Mscoree (talk) 02:50, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

Tbh MS alot of the higher ups wont go for it if you were voted to run it.. no offense but your not on good terms with some of the people we need to convince. I dont doubt your editing ability but in terms of Content... i wont be putting up anything thats ridiculously awful looking to the channel. Id much more enjoy it being trailers for timelines if the appropriate footage could be found, and maybe a few of our top map game timelapses. Maybe a solid timelapse of timelines as well such as DD but the content being put up cant be garbage i recognize that

What would even be on the channel? Pictures with voiceover, Like those alternate history videos on YouTube? I don't quite see the purpose, although the concept seems interesting enough.

03:16, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

From what im proposing, if you can find suitable enough footage and its approved throught the correct person (aka the admin of the youtube acct) then i was thinking trailers or things promoting your Timeline. Like doomsday could easily just be mass effect music set to nuclear explosion and world war three clips (since those are aplenty to be found downloaded and repurposed into something).

Along with this a timelapse of your specific timeline showing change over history giving a short summary of events (if produced well enough) could make its way up there. If we find someone with a good enough kind of announcer or production value voice a voiceover could in fact be done. Eiplec earlier made a timelapse of the whole first century of PMIII rather sucessfully (if not a rudimentary test though) and hes begun work on other centuries at my direction for music and how to go about it.

To be honest we need to be careful about what we post on there and how we would decide to present ourselves if we went through with it. We need to be putting quality content on this sort of thing. Something that we can watch as a nonmember of the wikia and come away with the impression that we are in fact an open community that caters to quality content. There are plenty of alternate history kind of people out there and im sure having high quality videos, trailers, timelapses, voiceovers, would be an extremely good way to promote ourselves and probably gain some relatively high quality membership, and if not high quality at least people that can eventually acheive and reach a high quality contributor status.

Tl;DR: The Youtube channel is a place to promote the wikia, put up quality content of any sort relating to our Timelines, Games, among other things, and all and all showcase our wikia to the kind of people that would be searching Youtube for those kinds of videos. This would in turn attract a higher quality of membership or at least a new membership that could eventually reach high quality contribution status.

I have several Youtube Channels and have some experience with video making. I was just thinking that all members or administrators would acknoledge who made a video with a splash of their name during the video. (ex, X is the admin, Y makes a video TL, X uploads Y's video with Y's name as the video maker.) So I was thinking that no credit would be given to one sole admin as we are a collective group and also diverse in our areas of history.

Aternix !?  06:19, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

For starters, you're mistaken if you think there'd be a vote there. Nor do you have the authority to call for one.

Past that, I fail to see a point or need for this.

Lordganon (talk) 07:50, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, but i don't find this channel under name Alternate History Wiki. Can we make a new channel on Youtube now?

How do you not see the promotial ability of a youtube channel.... considering the kinds of creative people, not to mention how specific searching  for alternate history is.. it would probably draw some newly needed higher quality membership which considering the absolute trolls and non contributing users we usually get would be a welcome change. As for his authority to call a vote.. it definitely doesnt seem like an authority... it was to gauge how many people would actually like to see an active youtube channel..

Nothing stops ANY of us from just going and making a fan channel that links to here. If managed correctly i see no reason for this not to happen as an offsite presence of the wikia for advertising our respective works in a relatively decent environment that could attract new membership. How is that a bad thing. Worst comes to worst it doesnt get used and falls into obscurity and no harm done..

Lordganon was probably talking about how you don't have the authority to call a TSPTF vote. If you want to poll people just make a blog post or something. "Nothing stops ANY of us from just going and making a fan channel that links to here", no kidding, which is why I told you to do just that. Mscoree (talk) 14:03, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

Not my vote... Ace made the vote and asked me to support the idea of a althist wiki youtube. And since i dont see anything too bad coming from this in general no reason to try and at least getting it made the official channel of the wikia if he still wants to go through with it.

I could easily see this working as a simple way to promote our wiki. We could make short videos explaining the core concepts of alternative history, starting with a "What is Alternative History?" which leads into "What is the Alternative History Wiki?". This would be an easy way to get more people to come here and contribute. After that, we could do more specific videos such as "What are Timelines?", "What are Map Games?", and "Alternative History Lingo". If we want to continue from there, we could make videos highlighting the best and brightest timelines this wiki has to offer such as 1983: Doomsday and Superpowers.

Any thoughts?

—Bfoxius (talk)

I think that is generally the idea. Mscoree (talk) 19:43, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

As much as I like the idea of AltHistory Wiki YouTube channel, this entire vote/discussion is not a TSPTF issue. The admins are just volunteers who help maintain the wiki. You don't need their approval and they can't stop you from doing anything outside the wiki. If you want an AltHistory Wiki YouTube channel, go create it. If you want a place to find collaborators and spitball ideas, then create a blog or even a new page on the wiki to be the portal for the project. Trying to get the TSPTF's "approval" is pointless and unnecessary.

That all being said, please let me know when the channel is up and running as I would love to cover it for my blog. Mitro (talk) 19:55, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

Yea, Mitro is right. I probably will put this together after Christmas if possible and go ahead with my plan. If anyone wants to help me with putting the videos together or voice work, please tell me.

—Bfoxius (talk)

I also have experience with photoshop and movie editors, and might be able to edit the videos. I wouldn't be able to voice act, though (my microphone is terrible).

Okay, I will probably get the channel up tomorrow, followed by the first video. It'll be a basic outline on alternative history in general, with a 1983: Doomsday hook and the video eventually points toward this site. After that, I'll do one on the wiki itself, followed by more specific ones about timelines, map games, and other activities. Videos on lingo, "how to edit", and general writing tips are planned afterwards. After that, I'll do videos on great timelines such as 83DD and maybe one or two on specific map games.

Before I get the ball rolling, however, I will probably need someone with experience on YouTube to help me out and fill in for me when I don't have time, as until mid-February, I have a busy schedule. I also think an animated intro and/or outro would be cool, as would custom music, though that kind of is pushing it.

—Bfoxius (talk)

Stolen Image
http://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/2pvabm/map_of_what_the_world_might_look_in_1920_like_if/

This post above steals the image from the TL Easternized World. I was under the impression that the stuff on this wiki was intellectual property, meaning that it can't be taken without permission. Figured the TSPTF should be made aware at the very least. Will probably contact the mods of that subreddit and see what they say about it. Original For Comparison.    Edge , Champion  of Shattered Stars and Stripes    Hit me up!  04:30, December 26, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I found it earlier today and told Edge. Even though you guys can't really do anything about it, you guys should at least be aware.

>.>;

Legally all it (might) need is to be sourced - and that one post on that reddit thread does that.

Wikia is free use.

Really, the only problem there is that it says "original content" on it, but the thread-starer is probably telling the truth about the mods.

Lordganon (talk) 09:12, December 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * As an attorney I can say LG is right. There is no stealing here and the redditor didn't claim to be the author. This was an overreaction to something that happens all the time on social media. Mitro (talk) 19:28, December 27, 2014 (UTC)

Plagiarism?
Okay, so a new timeline, A Wonderful World, seems to be plagiarism. I mean, some of it is okay, but the rest copies from another timeline, Alternity. I feel something should be done. I haven't done much, but you should see for youself. The timeline was appearently inspired by others, like New Union, but overall, it can be considered a direct copy of them. Spartian300 (talk) 00:05, December 29, 2014 (UTC)

You do realize that there are several differences between the two timelines, right? Sure, sometimes stories and timelines that are 'inspired' by other people's work are indeed direct copies, but despite the similarities between Alternity and A Wonderful World, there are still the striking differences between in the timelines; including different events leading to different borders, different people (or the same people, just at differing points in time) being elected or put into power, several new events being added to A Wonderful World's timeline, as well as a ton of other factors that ensure that the Alternity and New Union remain simply inspirations, also in spite of their aesthetic similarities. The author even says on the timeline's portal page that if NuclearVacuum or Airwolf_Fanatic94 have any problems with the timeline, they should let him know.

<font color="#00008B">RichMill | <font color="#00008B">Talk  00:58, December 29, 2014 (UTC)

The only bit of plagarism I spotted was a few setences on the World War 2 page. Not to mention that it could've just have been used as a template for the future.

Marcus Ioshua Consul of the Roman Republic  and King of Persia  01:03, December 29, 2014 (UTC)

While it is/was a bit too close for my liking, he did put the note on.

Was not your call/place to say that on the TL talk page, though.

Lordganon (talk) 11:04, December 29, 2014 (UTC)

Attempted account hacking
As of about 10 minutes ago i got an alert on my account that someone was trying to do a request new password/forgotten password for my wikia account. i have since changed my password again. I would just like to post this as a warning for other users. If you get the email about a temporary password change your password immediately and make sure you email is secure as well.

Hope nobody else is having issues with this and i really hope it wasnt anyone from this wikia.. i would rather this not be a case of someone trying to use my own account to get me banned.

Okay, now I'm paranoid. There could be a hacker on this wiki, but we don't know who? *shivers* I will start taking precautions. On a side note, I just had a thought. If they guy requested a password change, then this raises questions: how would he have changed the password? Unless he has a system that will follow the email. Is that possible? Spartian300 (talk) 12:22, December 29, 2014 (UTC)

I suspect someone from TFOE hacked, as they for an unknown reason dislike this wiki. Whoever the hacker is, i am or someone shall order an global block for the hacker, if we find out who he is. QuebecanCanada (talk) 12:49, December 29, 2014 (UTC)

Wow such hacking...literally someone just clicked "forgot my password", not on their account. Good to see all the steps of hysteria are shining through though; paranoia, accusations, etc.

@Spar "how would he have changed the password?" He wouldn't have...because this isn't an actual hacker, it was someone who clicked a button on the login screen. Tr0llis (talk) 13:41, December 29, 2014 (UTC)