Board Thread:Timeline Discussions/@comment-7257730-20130401130901/@comment-7257730-20130406121111

Well, after some re-calculation, you are right, Lordganon.

There is no way the discoveries will be halt by 200 years.

But 100 years? Yes, it is plausible.

Yes it is, the Hundred Years War profited England, and uh huh, I'm not the amateur real-newbie in History World, but yes indeed noob in Althist; I knew the Hundred Years War was not a constant conflict - but remember, the era that I am talking about, when the Portuguese Exodus finally came into being in 1410s, in those years up until 1430s too the Kings from Lancaster including of course, the famed Henry V was really bringing the war into France.

Not long, after Henry V, came Henry VI reign where all plans fell along, the Hundred Years War finally ended, and the war with France is soon replaced by a war within England; remember that the Portuguese were always friends with the family of John the Gaunt, which is a Somerset family which is a close ally and a part of the greater Lancastrian House, which at the final years lose to the Yorks - this will of course halt them for a decade.

The French will still intervene in conflict in England - remember that Henry Tudor even came to break the Yorkish rule from France and by French Ships.

Only by the start of the Tudor rule, just like in OTL, the naval discoveries will came to the surface.

And we've found which monarch is suited for being the one who funded these events: Elizabeth I. And in Spain : Felipe II. The Dutch will side with the British.

No, France won't be joining until the 1600s as they will still be dealing with the Protestant (Huguenots) vs Catholic fightings. Later they will join the Spaniards.

Some perhaps will think that a halt of 100 years won't do much, but it is enough to do much:

In America...

- The Aztecs could defeat the Tenochtitlans, which makes all of Mexico Central Highlands in Aztec hands, leaving the colonist to fight without allies.

- The Incas would have been already prepared, as they could recover after their war against the Kings of Quito and surrounds

In Africa, perhaps it would be more or less the same.

In Asia... Woah, it will be a really different world.

- Without an earlier interference from the Europeans, Islam may had conquered more parts of India (not always necessarily means the Mughals!); that will leave a really different result when the Europeans came

- By early 1600s, most of South-East-Asian Sultanates were forging goodwill and alliances with the Ottomans including the powers of Aceh and Mataram, Makassar will soon be Islam without interference of the Europeans, which made their trade with Northern Australia *well most of you may have not known this* secure & their unification of faith will strengthen themselves.

- Toungoo in Myanmar is going towards its golden age

- Japan would already be in full complete hands of the Tokugawa Shogunate, which means the Europeans won't even profit a single penny from trade to Japan

- And let's say add another POD for the Orients - that General Wu of the Ming Border Army didn't join the Manchus, then there will be two competing Dynasties - Shun of Li Zicheng & The Southern Ming; in which the Catholic Missions will be really had a swing to influence the Chinese rather if they faced the Qing courts.

Oh lastly, why won't the Italians be the one to do this earlier?

Though Constantinople is a problem, they still hold it for it is still much profitable.

One evidence to this - The Greek population of Constantinople had a quite ok life during the Ottoman Regime after the Fall of Constantinople in OTL, why? Because until that time in history, Byzantine was really no more than a very weak country militarily, culturally and tradefully - as even, Constantinople's trade was always a fight of monopoly between the Venetians and Genoans, under the Ottomans the Greeks were at least given some place to trade...