User:NuclearVacuum/Sandbox

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This article is the sandbox subpage for NuclearVacuum. All sections here are only for temporary experiments and or ideas. Some information may be speculative, but under reasonable tensions. All information on here will be removed at one time or another, but not all sections here are permanent (only a few I intend to keep longer than others).


 * User:Mister Sheen/Temp

Featured timelines

 * Great White South:
 * September 2010


 * New Union:
 * July 2011
 * March 2012

Saved images
Here are images I found here, and may find use for (rather than uploading new ones).

Saved links

 * Alternate History


 * Antioquia (Triunfa, España!)
 * Antioquia Federal (1983: Doomsday)
 * Louisiana (1797)
 * Timeline (Weird America)


 * Wikipedia


 * (New Union)
 * (New Union)
 * (Two Americas)


 * Others


 * Parlamento blank 1114 v4.0.svg (Wikimedia Commons)
 * Russian heraldic (5) (detailed)

Hooray for storytelling
Greetings to you all. Who am I, you may ask? I am just an observer of time and space. Your people have called me by many names. Zeus, God, the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Whatever you want to call me, my purpose here today is to tell you the amazing story that would eventually change your people into an interplanetary species.

Our story begins billions of years ago, but I remember it as if it were yesterday.

New timeline

 * 1962 -  Venus flyby.


 * 1966 - Venera 3 Venus crash-landing (remnants now believed to be somewhere in western Aphrodite).


 * 1967 - Venera 4 Venus landing (now believed to have crashed landed in the Guinevere Sea).


 * 1969 -  manned Moon landing.


 * 1975 - Apollo 18 manned Venus flyby.


 * 1984 - "Vega" manned Venus landing.


 * 1989 - "Mayflower" manned Venus landing.

?????????

 * Neith (neeth)

Population of New Kamchatka

 * Recent census


 * Gagaringrad (~392,758)
 * Vladivenera (~275,921)
 * New Havana (~146,807)
 * Uragansk (~87,614)
 * Korolyovsk (~52,873)
 * Total (975,826)

New nations for Venus
All states marked in bold lettering are independent nations. Nations in parentheses describe the primary government of the state. Entities in italic denote a collectivity/commonwealth. States in quotation marks describe doubt and/or uncertainty towards the name or the state itself.


 * American Venus


 * VHBuffaloflag.png (Canada)
 * Flag of the Federated States (Venusian Haven).svg 
 * Flag.svg Fortune Bay
 * Flag of New Florida (Venusian Haven).svg 
 * Flag.svg "Scientology State" [soon to be obsolete]
 * Flag.svg "Tethus"


 * Arab (Iraqi-Arabian) Venus


 * Flag of Helal (Venusian Haven).svg "" (Al-Helal)
 * Flag.svg "New Kurdistan"
 * Flag.svg "New Palestine"


 * British Venus


 * Flag.svg "Betashire"
 * Flag.svg "Metisire"
 * Flag of Scotland.svg ""


 * Chinese Venus


 * Flag of Leda (Venusian Haven).svg
 * Flag.svg "New Pyongyang" (North Korea) [maybe]
 * Flag.svg "New Tibet"


 * French (Franco-European) Venus


 * Flag of New Quebec (Venusian Haven).svg
 * Flag.svg Themis
 * Flag.svg Cassini


 * Japanese Venus


 * Japanese Venus flag by Hellerick 3.svg 


 * Soviet Venus


 * Flag of New Kamchatka (Venusian Haven).svg 
 * Flag.svg 
 * Flag.svg Devana
 * Flag.svg "Imdr"
 * Flag.svg New Caucasia
 * Flag.svg New Crimea
 * Flag.svg "New India" (India)
 * Flag.svg New Prussia (Germany[s])
 * Flag of New Saigon (Venusian Haven).svg (Vietnam)
 * Flag.svg New Turkmenistan
 * Flag.svg "New Warsaw" (Czechoslovakia and Poland)
 * Flag.svg Rusalka
 * Flag.svg Sapas

New ideas

 * The Raskat rocket (OTL ) would have been designed to take into account a potential Venus mission. With this extra initiative, more funding and men would help assure the mission to become a success.


 * Lunokhod 1 (OTL ) would successfully reach the Moon in early 1969. Despite the Soviets being able to claim the first "tracks" on the Moon, it would be nothing compared to the "footsteps" made by American astronauts later in 1969. But due in great part to the success of the Lunokhod program, it would not ruin the Soviet moonshot to take place in the early '70s.


 * The Gerkules-Raskat program (OTL N1-L3) would lead to five successful Soviet moon missions between 1971 and 1975. would become the first Soviet to land on the Moon.


 * Despite a successful Soviet moonshot, the Apollo program would not send any more missions to the Moon beyond Apollo 17. Instead, the program would gradually be modified to become a Venus program. Apollo 18 would become the first successful in 1974 (rather than OTL's ). The USSR may (or may not) also do their  mission around the same time.


 * The "Vega" program (potential name; based on OTL [because it would have happened around the same time and I love the name "Vega"]) would become the Soviet manned landing of Venus. Taking place in 1985, the USSR would win the "Second Space Race." The program would send two missions between 1984 and 1986. The mission would be a modified TMK-E mission.
 * Since Venus' atmosphere is as thick as Earth's (either OTL or ATL), the USSR decides to quicken their mission by not designing a return mission. So in short, the Vega missions were a one-way mission. (I will work on this to see if this is a suitable thing to do on either side).


 * An American mission to Venus would take place by the late '80s. Other nations would include a joint ESA mission in the late '90s, and a Japanese, Chinese, and potential Arab mission by today.
 * I consider Saddam Hussein to be crafty enough to consider an Iraqi mission to Venus. His space program was expanding. Had it not been for the invasion of Kuwait, we may have seen an Iraqi astronaut by OTL. With Venus being promising, he may seek cooperation (rather than intimidation) in the Arab world. The oil-rich nations may show interest in a joint-Arab mission, leading to a Pab-Arabian Space Agency, and a strong Arab League/Union.


 * Participating nations/organization


 * USSR and USA &mdash; Self-explanatory. Moving on.


 * France and ESA &mdash; Prior to the PRC, was on the verge of a manned-spaceflight mission. With Venus as a destination, the French-dominated ESA would definitely become a Venusian power. Also a note, Canada cooperated as part of ESA's  (plus ), Canada is squished between ESA and NASA.


 * Great Britain &mdash; I initially opposed the UK becoming a Venusian power. I support European integration, which would have had the UK as part of ESA. However, after getting inspired by someone who has a strong passion for the British space program, as well as doing some history on the matter, I now can see the UK working towards a successful space program. Plus, since originally creating this timeline, I have become a Whovian who supports the "New British Empire." However, my only concern would be the UK's position between the US, USSR, and ESA.


 * China and Japan &mdash; pretty much also self-explanatory.


 * Iraq and the "Arab Union" &mdash; While nowhere near the US or USSR, Iraq's space program would be an interesting place to look. With Venus such a juicy target, Saddam may see Venus as a better way to solidify his power than his invasion of Kuwait. I am confident that many nations would automatically support him (such as Libya and Syria), while others (like Saudi Arabia and Kuwait) would grow more interested in the space race. With Saudi wealth backing an Iraqi-backed space program, Hussein may actually achieve the fame and position as an Arab unifier. A Pan-Arab Space Agency (PASA) would be inevitable, while the ideas of a stronger "Arab Union" could come out of the mix. The Arab Spring will have to be looked into.


 * Mission dates?


 * USSR &mdash; 1984 (Gagaringrad)
 * USA &mdash; 1990 (Kennedy City)
 * ESA &mdash; ~1990s
 * UK &mdash; ~1990s
 * Japan &mdash; ~2000s
 * China &mdash; ~2000s
 * Iraq &mdash; ~2000s
 * India &mdash; ~2010s
 * Iran &mdash; ~2010s


 * Colonial comparison


 * to Commonwealth of Virginia (169 years)
 * to State of New York (150 years)
 * to Canada (104 years)
 * New South Wales to Australia (113 years)
 * Salt Lake City to Utah (49 years)
 * Gagaringrad to New Kamchatka (17 years?)

While the regions may look big, most of the area is claimed land.

Koshmar

 * Main article:, 


 * System: Solaria (Solar System)
 * Biosphere: Venusiana (Venus)
 * Kingdom: Tereshkovia (Animal-like)
 * Phylum: c/s
 * Class: Pseudokoris (False bug)
 * Order: c/s
 * Family: c/s
 * Genus: c/s
 * Species: incubus

Note to self

 * Ishtar is in Venus' north pole. Venus rotates backwards due to being flipped upside-down. However, Ishtar is still located on the top of Venus maps. Is Ishtar actually in Venus' south pole? Either way, ASB will solve the problem. XP


 * If Venus has a moon that is about the same size and distance as ours, it would be very likely that Neith would have been discovered much earlier in history. In comparison, a viewer on Mars would see the Earth as a "double star," with the Moon being visible. How would this affect humanity?


 * Potential Neith solution: Early studies placed Neith at about 402458 km from Venus, with an orbit of 11 days. According to Kepler's laws of planetary motion, this can't be (an orbit that far would've had a longer orbit period). A potential solution, make them intersect half-way. An orbit almost 300,00 km, with a period of 18 days. This would also make a larger moon in the Venusian sky. Something to make a trip to Venus even more special.

Governmental hierarchy

 * Collectivity &mdash; a type of pseudo-government which unites several colonies, but holds little to no solidarity other than allowing a solid voice back to Earth. Many describe them as how the were not united, but close in relations. The term commonwealth is also used to describe this type of unity on Venus.

SNNPR in NU


According to Wikipedia, the (SNNPR) "was formed from the merger of the former Regions 7-11" (i.e., Regions 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11). I just came across this map which seems to show four of the five regions.


 * Kaffa
 * Omo
 * Sidama
 * Welayta

Possible new republics



 * Gurage (&gt;1 million people)


 * Sidama (&gt;2 million people)

List

 * 1) Aari (&gt;570,000)
 * 2) Adal (1,411,092)
 * 3) Amhara (18,185,502)
 * 4) Anuak (&gt;200,000)
 * 5) Benishangul (&gt;300,000)
 * 6) Gumuz (&gt;225,000)
 * 7) Gurage (&gt;1,000,000)
 * 8) Hadiya (&gt;1,000,000)
 * 9) Kaffa (&gt;1,000,000)
 * 10) Konso (&gt;400,000)
 * 11) Nuer (&gt;100,000)
 * 12) Ogaden (5,148,989)
 * 13) Oromia (27,158,471)
 * 14) Sidama (&gt;3,000,000)
 * 15) Surma (&gt;400,000)
 * 16) Tigray (4,334,996)
 * 17) Welayta (&gt;3,000,000)

Afghanistan and Pashtunistan

 * Main articles:, 

With the continuation of the USSR, 's government is secured with the continued funding from Moscow. With extra time to work, Najibullah would continue on his moves for reconciliation and reforms. In 1993, after years of living in exile, former king decides to return to Afghanistan. Despite pressure from the west (specifically from the United States), Shah decided to return for the good of the Afghan people. Polls held in Afghanistan found that the vast majority supported Shah having some sort of political position. While he didn't return to reclaim his thrown, he was more than happy to work for his people.

Just as feared by the west, Shah's return began the gradual ceasefire of the Mujaheddin. (leader of the Northern Alliance) ordered his men to stand down, not wanting to fight the same government which had the king working within it. By 1994. peace talks between the Northern Alliance and Kabul began. What came out was that Najibullah would not seek reelection upon the end of his term in office (around 1997). He would also appoint Shah as his Prime Minister, and Massoud as his Defense Minister. This cooperation would pay off in the long run.



Despite the northerners supporting peace, the southern Mujaheddin showed no support. The southern factions (lead by ) were pro-Pakistani and Islamist, with the return of the king meant nothing. Backed by Pakistan's hatred that the Soviet-backed government was remaining in power, Civil War would break out again by late 1994. As was during the 1980s, the secretly back Pakistan and the Pakistani-backed "Islamic Republic of Afghanistan," offering aid and weapons. However, this would change by the late 1990s. With friendlier relations with the USSR, the Clinton administration began to lax their support for Hekmatyar, ending the American hopes of having the Soviets "cling to their helicopters" as did the Americans after the.

In the long run, the war remained in favor of Kabul. Lead by the man who lead to the end of Soviet occupation, with the added irony that it was the Soviets who were now aiding him. By 1998, Hekmatyar began to change the strategy from reclaiming Afghanistan into a Pashtun liberation. In 1999, the "Islamic Republic of Afghanistan" became the. This would greatly affect the war, as the southern Mujaheddin would focus all their men to protecting southern independence.

After years of fighting and attempted peace plans, a ceasefire is agreed upon in 2000. Pashtunistan remained in control of the southernmost provinces of Afghanistan, leading to the international debate that continues to this day.

Within Afghanistan, the road to recovery would take place. Despite being in a state of readiness against a second wave of fighting, Afghanistan has become peaceful. In 1997, the first democratic elections take place. With an almost unanimous victory, become President.

ASSRs

 * Main article:, Template:NU-USSR


 * Birobidzhan &mdash;


 * Chukotka &mdash; and


 * Evenkia &mdash;


 * Gorno-Altai &mdash;


 * Gorno-Badakhshan &mdash;


 * Khakassia &mdash;


 * Königsberg &mdash;


 * Mughan &mdash;


 * Nakhchivan &mdash;


 * Samoyedia &mdash;, , and


 * Volgaland &mdash;


 * Yugra &mdash;

Kaliningrad to Königsberg

 * With no "self rule rights" that were part of OTL Russia's 1993 constitution, the issue of being an exclave would become an active issue in Kaliningrad.
 * Many factions come out for a separated region, most supporting becoming an autonomous republic.
 * As part of the Saint Petersburg Compromise, the region would become the "Autonomous Republic of Königsberg" (also renaming the capital of Kaliningrad to Königsberg).

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Capitals of the SSRs

 * Grozny?


 * : Соьлжа-ГӀала (Sölƶa-Ġala; "City on the ")


 * Солжа-Гала
 * Солжакала/Solzhakala (based on Akhmadkala [Akhmad-Ghala])

GOASIE

 * See also: 

(Gulf of Aden: Soviet, Indian, Eritrean/Ethiopian) is a naval exercise held between the Soviet Union, India, and Eritrea. Other clear members would be South Yemen and maybe Ethiopia (which still operates a flotilla of ships around ).


 * Reasons


 * Soviet-Indian cooperation
 * Securing the continuation of Eritrea's navy.
 * Joint cooperation between Ethiopia and Eritrea. Cooperation from "Ethiopian Flotilla."


 * Notes


 * South Yemen wanted to participate in the first exercise, but opted not to in fear of provoking North Yemen. The DRY would participate in future exercises.

New POD for New Union

 * Main article: New Union

Considering that I know very little about the four men in the initial coup plot, it seems too "hopeful" for me to say that they getting drunk is a solution. I eventually chose this POD because I found it ironic that alcoholism (a major problem in the USSR that Gorbachev was trying to tackle) would lead to the downfall of this coup. Because of this gaping hole, I have decided to go back to my initial idea. Please note that I have been considering whether or not to change the POD for months now.

My initial idea was the notorious accident record of the (which were flying the men to the Crimea). The idea is simple, the plane crashes. No coup, very simple. Kinda... too simple. This is why I thought it sounded stupid before. I forgot all about it until I came across a timeline which is strikingly similar to my own. This made me realise that if someone else thought about it, than why not go back to it. Also (to make me feel better about it), I thought about this idea in 2010 (a year before this timeline came out).

More to come later

Soviet Armed Forces International

 * 
 * 


 * Bases


 * (Algeria)
 * (Libya/Cyrenaica)


 * (South Yemen)
 * (Vietnam)
 * (Eritrea)
 * (Syria)

Political parties and the Supreme Soviet

 * Main article:, 


 * Notes


 * "" was a political block established in July 1991 by Russian Vice President . The bloc united members of the democratic wing of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. After the August Coup and the dissolution of the CPSU, the bloc began to reorganize, eventually becoming the "People's Party of Free Russia."
 * The CPSU may remain in tact. With Gorbachev and other "perestroikists" leaving the party, "true" communists would remain. Today, the CPSU would be divided between several wings, include democratic ones (Rutskoy and Lipitsky), Marxist-Leninists, and "nationalists" (Gennady Zyuganov).


 * In OTL, the two political parties and  unite to form . In ATL, they become the founders of two separate parties. Unity unites with  (an anti-communist party founded by ), and several democratic/independent republican parties such as Vainakh Democratic Party (which two Presidents of the  were part of) and [maybe] the  of Uzbekistan; to form the unionwide party "Democratic Unity," a center-right party which supports Republic's rights. Fatherland - All Russia gradually becomes a unionwide party known as "Glorious Fatherland" (after the chorus of the Soviet national anthem) or the "Party of Regions," a Russian minority party, which promotes Russians living outside the Russian Federation.


 * The / is neither liberal or democratic, but instead is a nationalistic party. The "Liberal Party of the Soviet Union" has no relations with this pseudo-party. Potentially formed around 2005, it united (center-left liberalism) and the  (center-right liberalism) to form a completely liberal party.


 * Supreme Soviet (OTL)


 * SSRs: 32x15=480
 * ASSRs: 11x20=220
 * AOs: 5x8=40
 * AOks: 1x10=10
 * Total: 750


 * Supreme Soviet (ATL)


 * SSRs: 24x33=792
 * ASSRs: 12x12=144
 * GCZs: 6x1=6 (maybe)
 * Total: 942