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World War II Ideas
To me, it goes a touch far - while given those things happening, Poland would survive much longer, this seems to take the concept even further than I suspect is plausible. Things such as no German Civil War after the assassination, and the like - all just too good to be true. Good read, though. Lordganon 05:50, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps the biggest thing is with the Soviets. This pretty well assumes that the entire country was full of idiots, which obviously is not the case. The author also seems to consider the West to be rather.... slow, too. Reads kind of like a Poland "wank" to me, to be honest.

Overall, it really is operating on a ton of assumptions. The PoD - one or two of them, all of them together seems unrealistic - alone would be a good thing to take, and then to run from there.

Lordganon 08:32, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

I meant "slow" as in stupid, or the like.

No, I'm not mistaken. I am well aware of all of those things.

"Inexperienced." The very concept means that after a fair amount of fighting, they would gain experience. Yet, that author ignores that notion entirely. And, as I said, assumes the entire army was full of idiots. The purges did not get all the bright ones - and they would have taken some sort of command eventually. But there's no indication of that ever occurring.

The author has the West still standing by, even with Poland holding out. I am well aware that they did nothing otl, but here they have 6-12 months, minimum, of extra time. They would have had even their own citizens telling them to do something by that point.

I'm well aware of the Japanese thing. That's why I didn't say one outright. Though, it won't make much difference at all.

I'm also aware of the anti-tank rocket part being based in all of that. However, it only works in the atl because the Poles manage to keep it hidden from everyone. On the scale, both as described and in the amount needed to actually make an impact, that is impossible. I realize that it may be possible that the things are discounted, but it also assumes that the German military - and, indeed, most militaries - is full of idiots.

Lordganon 17:07, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I think I can help a bit, Yank. You know I'm always willing to help. Lordganon 17:45, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

Gallic Rome
And, how do you want the Franks to lose the battle? Not actually going to the picked battlefield at the time chosen, be it earlier or later, fighting it somewhere else, or Clovis not being able to convince one of the sub-kings to come to battle? (Ragnachar is the one I'd use, because I can place him at the battle for sure) Lordganon 01:26, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Wasn't thinking of killing him anyways - all that would manage is to make the Franks unify much, much, later. The defeat would make it so that he's too weak to go west, so he has to go east after the sub-kings and other tribes instead.

Will simply have them show up a few days late, then. Early is helpful, but... not too much. Later, and catch them as they are leaving..... a rout. May actually help the Franks in the long run, since at least a few sub-kings would die, but weaken them overall, no question. Going to have Ragnachar die too, unless you object ^^

Lordganon 01:56, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

One of the sub-kings killed by Clovis a few years after the battle here. Fought at the battle, and lived, he later turned traitor on Clovis, and was a pagan among Christians. There's an article on wikipedia about him. Didn't do much of anything historically, either, except die. Lordganon 03:50, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Riel's Canada
Hey, Yank, being a collaborative member with Tbguy1992, I was wondering if I may adopt your timeline, Riel's Canada? Just let me know on my talk page whenever you read this, and if there's any discrepancies between the two of you we can discuss it on the talk page. ChrisL123 19:45, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

American Spring
Hi, Yank. Just a short note about an idea I had. I know that you don't like the idea of the new United States rising to power, but maybe your politicians in Virginia (and maybe even in Lincoln) might add a twist into the whole American Spring debate by filing charges against George Bush and the defunct APA. In turn, the CRUSA (lead by JFK, Jr.) could file counter charges against Campbell. Both charges could be based on 'war-crimes' and treasonous actions in the wake of the nuclear attacks.

It's just an idea, and it would spice up the theme of the rising influence of the new USA. I'd have the government stay out of the Virginian claims, but perhaps file claims against the Lincoln government (not sure there, but the 'take over' by the mayor of the city leaves some room for debate). Let me know what you think. I'll write the JFK part and you can have fun with the other. SouthWriter 17:11, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Eastwood/Chaney
I really like the Eastwood idea. He could have been Van Helsing in several films (sort of like Dirty Harry) and directed horror films later, and won an Oscar for it (instead of winning an Oscar for Unforgiven, specifically).

As for Chaney... isn't it easier for him to just never have gotten lung cancer in the first place...?

KingSweden 23:54, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

I made a page on your ODESSA-like idea (called ORPLEX for "Organisation pour les Loyalists Exiles") and I'll get to work on the Van Helsing stuff pronto.

KingSweden 00:33, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Haha! Nice. That's probably a good idea, make the Van Helsing movies a spinoff series. A note on those regulations - I think I was aiming for them to only be regulations in California, since the Governor of California (Redford) was able to deregulate in 1972.

What you could also do is have that original (probably '67 or '68) Dracula movie be produced in Mexico, like you were talking about, sort of like a Spaghetti western...? Then have an American studio hop on the gravy train in '72 by making a spinoff series of Van Helsing with American actors but the recognizable Eastwood as the lead. The 1968 (or whenever) Mexican Dracula could have been a smash success in America that launched his career?

KingSweden 01:20, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah that sounds pretty good. Umm well I don't know who from the late 1960's would make a good Dracula. Christopher Lee probably wouldn't want to "commercialize" with a role like that.

KingSweden 02:23, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not super partial, whoever you think is best. I'll defer my judgment to you.

KingSweden 04:16, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

World War II Timeline Ideas
Allied Japan:

Given the situation in both Japan and the USA, an alliance being formed at opening is pretty-well impossible. Even ignoring that, the butterflies would be..... massive.

However, you could manage the alliance another way. The Japanese High Command was faced with a choice in 1941: attacking north, or south. What they chose is pretty obvious. But, if you can get the Soviets into the Axis camp 100% somehow, American pressures may change and then direct their intentions somewhat differently than in otl. There's a couple times, with delayed/canceled operations when that could have happened otl.

With that context, Japan aligning with the Brits and Americans in some form would make sense. Of course, American involvement would likely be slightly delayed, but..... probably not by much, to be honest.

Vichy France Survives:

Pretty much impossible. They were too aligned with the Nazis. Spain was neutral, though barely, so they survived - Vichy, was not. From day one, I'm afraid, despite how the Americans though of them.

Ignoring that, the Nazis would have seized them anyways. Even if not when they did otl, at the very least at D-day they would have. Past that, the locals would have killed it on their own. Nor would the Allies have let it survive - the French were part of that, after all.

Lordganon 19:47, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I wouldn't overstate the Japanese, there. The Soviet forces there were, and without a war in the west, would likely remain, their best. Numbers, supplies, etc. means that Japanese troops will win eventually, but.... may be a touch surprising.

Vlad~ would eventually be overrun, true, but it'd take a siege. You're right about the islands, mind.

Manchuria surviving is unlikely, unless the Japanese prop it up, and even then..... Had no real popular support, I'm afraid. Reunion with China probably would remain unlikely, but.... idk. Rock and hard place, really. As for the rest, the RoC probably wouldn't do it. Plus, Japan would have to at least make efforts to remove themselves from China, too. Question of troops, and supplies, and American backing.

Definite that they would get stamped out. But definitely not fleeing to Taiwan. Question of where they are based, etc. Got me as to where they could flee, but their bases with near Mongolia. Given the war and that fact, I doubt that anyone would flee ala Taiwan otl.

Lordganon 21:15, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Joseon
It's because Joseon's name was still Joseon int he 1600s, and I just like the name. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 20:10, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

DeviantArt
LlwynogFox.and yes.thanks--Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:48, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

New Map Game
Hey, Yank. Seeing how plausibly you play on Principia Moderni, I was wondering if you wanted to moderate a game I made set in 200 AD (We need a classical map game). It is called Cras ut Superstes. It's got a new system of stability that I was hoping to try out. I can't wait to see it played.

CrimsonAssassin 01:32, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

War of the Hanthawaddy Succession
Okay I am not fully sure who is going to win the war, but who ever does will have the throne of Hanthawaddy. I'm not making any promises, and I will go solely by the algorithm. So sometime next year (1650), preferably during the summer, because the emperor will be in Pegu rather than hard-to-attack Viharapura, with Jayadeva's forces. Binnya Rada will retaliate with his massive mercenary-army. Although I suggest you go through the algorithm and make sure you have every possible advantage, as I think Hanthawaddy has a slight advantage, taking a guess. Also, I dunno what to do if you win hugely, because you can't really take Pegu, and if you do Hanthawaddy will be a weird pseudo-Indian state. Personally I'm ready to reject the Warerus to Tibet but I want the war to be a good one. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 01:27, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

We'll see. It doesn't really matter to me. Whatever the algorithm says. I'm wanting to shed off excess territory anyway as a model for other players, and if it means losing Pegu, it's no problem. I can always gain it back if I wanted to. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 04:49, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Romanovs
Her survival is unlikely - I think that there is one, and only one person, who was alive in 1917 that was a member of the Russian royals or nobility still lving as of the early 1990s. Her living until 1991, let alone the present, is pretty well impossible. Add to that the fact that its nearly impossible for her or another member of the royal family to get away.

She would have been a carrier of hemophilia - most of the female descendants of Queen Victoria have been. It is dormant in females, but it's almost impossible for it not to be there overall.

A line going through a cousin, or one of the Czar's siblings would be more likely. If they are resident in Alaska, and hold power there, they can easily gain it back - well, one of their children, but I digress - and given things would be much more likely to flee with the colony existing too.

Lordganon 05:31, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Wallachia
Err.... I guess you haven't really looked at much about the region, have you?

Transylvania, in fact, controls far more territory than it occupies. I realize now that the article itself is not very clear on that matter - I hope that the small edit I did just now helps in that regard - and expanding the article and giving it a real history is something on my list of things to do. It is something greatly elaborated on elsewhere, I assure you.

Transylvania, in fact, is in control over all of Moldavia, Romania, and parts of the former Ukraine. Basically, all the claimed areas on the map outside of the Serbian claims. Various degrees of contamination to the soils to the east - the same storms that contaminated much of the Crimea and parts of the Northern Caucasus are the cause - prevent extensive settlement or the like, and the area is dotted with military posts. A WWF project in the area, to investigate further, is going to start on October 7th.

As such, your proposal is..... impossible. Note, too, that most of this is not my work.

Lordganon 04:35, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

I repeat: This is laid out in other articles. And, too, the word "claims" does not mean that they have no power there. The article has long said, as well, that they had forces in the area. Nor does it say "uncontrolled" anywhere. The otl part is a miss on my part when I last updated the infobox to match what the article already said.

If you had read any other articles in the area, you'd have known about it, Yank. There is, if memory serves, around a dozen that say this. Note, again, that the majority of this is not my work, originally.

That proposal is impossible. Simple.

Lordganon 05:13, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Meeting
Sure, I can do a meeting. The only days I cannot is Mondays, due to an evening class. However, any other day of the week will most likely work. Tbguy1992 15:49, September 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello? Are you still up to meeting, or not? Tbguy1992 03:36, September 17, 2011 (UTC)

Eee.... a little problem with that: My last class on Friday doesn't start until 4, and won't be over until 5:15, and put on a half hour bus ride... I don't think we can do it. :( Tbguy1992 04:06, September 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, I didn't mean Friday, I meant Tuesday... no idea where that came from. But, my last class on TUESDAY starts at 4 PM, and there would be no way for me to go to my classes, then get to St. Vital before 6 at the latest. I don't think we can actually meet for the rest of the school year due to my schedule, as I'm not going to skip class to go. Sorry. Tbguy1992 22:05, September 17, 2011 (UTC)

Help with FTBW?
Out of curiosity, I was wondering if you would be able to help me flesh out French Trafalgar, British Waterloo a bit. Now that I do have time (though not able to meet you, unfortunately), I should be able to throw together a lot more of the story and such. I'm just wondering if you would like to help especially with the Alternate Destinies (French Trafalgar, British Waterloo) page, like you had been doing with Napoleon's World. If you can, please message me back!

Thank you Tbguy1992 19:21, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

Principia Moderni (Possible Vietmanese Expansion Offer)
Dear Vietanm. We have been watching the rapid Russian expansion and are incredibily concerned. We send an offer to join arms in the period between 1673 to 1682 where we will reveal ourselves. We are a current ally of yours as well. Vietnam has the chance to gain huge advantages in land. We are also approaching the nations of China (who may require aid if Hanthawaddy gets involved) and Joseon who will seize quite a piece of land from Russia too. You may gain a sizeable chunk of Russia too as a colony. In Europe we have approached Naples, Sweden and Venice to help if Hungary, France or Anglo-Germany appear in this conflict. Respond on your own talk page if you are interested. I will check it every day.

Japan
Well, I didn't know about it- anyways, it really doesn't matter which order. Anyways, I will annex it eventually. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 23:35, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Moravia (1983: Doomsday)
Not a bad idea, overall.

But, you do have a problem: That's either got to move northwards, or shrink. Bohemia needs to shrink back down too.

The Alpines have since the 1980s controlled a security zone virtually around their entire borders, of at least 50 km. Czechoslovakia is included. There's no way a nation right against their borders is possible.

And, I'm sure that there's more than three strikes.

Lordganon 03:46, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Well, looking at the map, it's going to have to shrink a bit, I think, as it moves. Not 100% sure, but I figure it will be likely.

About 2/3rds of the territory for Bohemia will likely work out.

I'll see what I can cook up for you. Should have something later this afternoon.

First contact for Moravia, btw, would likely come through Poland.

Lordganon 13:37, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

No, you won't be. That article is Oer's. Not only that, but you are heavily violating the adoption policy by doing that. Lordganon 14:33, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Doesn't matter whether or not you think you need to finish it, or when it was updated last. The fact still remains. Unless you get permission, you will do nothing to it. Lordganon 14:56, October 6, 2011 (UTC)



As promised, here's a map. Blue is Bohemia - about double the original map size, and 2/3rds of yours or so - and Green is Moravia. I've also added more strikes. Was a really large number of them in the north o.o

A Silesian state is probably out, I'm afraid.

Looking at things, the original Bohemia size would actually work the best, but I did do it bigger as requested.

Added strikes: Milovice, Mlada Boleslav, Vysoke Myto, Bruntal, Ostrava, Liberec, Pisek, Pribram, Hradec Kralove, and some damage from a hit on Trencin in Slovakia, a couple clicks from the border. A couple of these are major cities, but the rest are all large bases.

Blansko is still inside the Moravian state. However, the city of Olomouc is too, and would be a better capital (funny - not a hit in 1983, but a massive target today, that one) It is also a historical capital of the Province of Moravia, and the location of the Catholic diocese - and late, archdiocese - for Moravia since the 11th Century. The rest of the cities you have listed on Moravia are not in this one.

Lordganon 08:36, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

Rest assured, I've already taken care of that. There are that many bases from that era in the Czech Republic. Basically, almost their entire military was in this area, and the same goes for an entire Soviet Army. Lordganon 02:25, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, their army for the most part would have been based on remnants. But, the Slovaks would stay - think about it: they have nowhere to go for about a decade. By that point, they are established with families. Why would they leave? Some might, but almost all of them wouldn't.

There's really no way to tell overall with their lists. By the time they get revealed, we'll all be dead or too old to notice. As always, we have to make our own guesses. Really though, given the size of the lists, all would have been on them at some point. It's just a question of how far down, you know? Add to that the nukes on the opponent's nuclear bases, EMP, military forces, and targeting/arming issues, there's no telling how many of them got off and made it to hit. For all we know, the first five hundred targets could have been hit, and then another group a couple hundred down the list of that side going too. Never know.

Lordganon 03:52, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

I'll look into it tonight. Lordganon 04:22, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

All right, here goes....

"The military of the Moravian Republic primarily consists of the remnants of Czechoslovakian and Soviet forces in the former Czech half of the Czechoslovakian state, in addition to those recruited into its ranks since that time. In part, these remnants are from the Soviet 48th Motor Rifle Division headquartered at Vysoké Mýto, and Soviet 31st Tank Division headquartered at Bruntál, both of which were hit by nuclear weapons. The majority, however, come from the Czechoslovak 22nd Airborne Infantry Regiment based at Prostějov, which was lucky enough to escape nuclear destruction, though many still died from the chaos and the fallout.

Primarily, they are an infantry force, armed with surviving weaponry from the 22nd Regiment, and other weapons manufactured or imported since. A few surviving tanks and personnel carriers from the Soviet Divisions are in use as well. No intact planes, however, are in their possession, all having been heavily damaged at Doomsday.

They are currently looking at repairing the planes to some degree, and upgrade their equipment somewhat, if they can afford it."

How's that sound?

Lordganon 07:24, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Star Trek
I like your ideas for Christopher Pike and Chekov, and somewhat with Kirk, but I'd suggest a slightly different twist - make Kirk a protege of Pike's on the Enterprise who is brash and arrogant and who eventually goes rogue against his mentor and father-figure, setting him up as a spiteful, dangerous opponent throughout the series (and in the sequel to the 2009 film, in which Trekkies would excitedly see how they weave in Kirk "turning" against Pike, and could have been a movie focusing more on the nuances of Kirk, who could be a complex character). I have Shatner as James Bond during the 1960's, so a diff actor would probably be preferred.

KingSweden 05:25, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

Your allies ask for Aid!
Sweden has invaded your ally Anglo-Germany, and another ally of yours, Russia, has leaped in to defend them. Meanwhile, the ally of Vietnam Naples has decided to help fight off this hostile expansion in Europe. Venice once again interferes in affairs that it should not, as it declares war upon the powers seeking to liberate the Baltic from the oppressive Swedes. Will Vietnam (and its vassal Nippon) come to the aid of its allies, Russia and Naples? Naples begs for aid! LurkerLordB 22:49, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Dracula
I took a look at Chris Lee's Wikipedia entry, and it looks like the first Dracula movie came out in 1958, at which time John Carradine (1906-1988) would have been in his early fifties. Since the last one didn't come out until the early 1970's (at which time there would have been considerable advances in prosthetics and makeup), I think that the problem essentially solves itself.

KingSweden 05:18, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

There You Are
There you are. I had to take a day to find you. Anyways, I'm playing as Persia and you are Vietnam. LukerLordB told me about you had problems with Perisa. What are they?

RandomWriterGuy 22:20, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

Once Again
By the third time, i am trying to say that Hungary offers support to Vietnam on its war against Ireland in trade for the Irish colony in OTL Newfoundland.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 19:06, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Fractured America (Map Game)
I would like to invite you to join my new map game. There are still plenty of nations left and plenty of Africa left to colonize well as parts of Asia.

I hope you will consider joining,

thanks, DeanSims 15:22, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Areas
What areas does the Empire of New Albion cover? :D Imperium Guy 20:10, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that (hopefully the map will be up and running soon!!) :D Imperium Guy 22:21, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Malay Rebels
…That's not gonna work, it would just make it worse. I purposely set up the rebellion so you would have to put it down the normal way, with fighting, or just let the Malays rule themselves. This isn't about tolerance or anything really, it just is inevitable when you have a deep dividing cultural line, and Vietnamese people ruling over Muslims, that they would rebel. In general there is a trend in "marginal areas" that they usually switch hands very often, so thus you controlling Malaysia for an excessively long time would be implausible.

Keep in mind another important part of running your country is maintaining unity. You really have not spend much time on this, and your country has no unifying characteristics, except an emperor who just happens to be of Vietnamese descent. Something to think about.

No I can't accept "execution" either. This is a loose group of individuals hiding out in the mountains, literally. Take mod actions seriously… Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 04:10, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Don't take it personally. Malaysia was kind of just sitting there and I need to free up the territory so it is fair for other players. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 15:44, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Kunarian
I agree with you, I'll keep an eye on him, but it makes sense for him to be a bit sour after being banned. Also, it would help for you to do your best not to feed the conflict, it takes two to make an argument. It's a bit inconvenient to reply because your signature doesn't link to your user page. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 02:19, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

I am with you Yank. I still remember how he started a war with Naples to protect a bunch of tiny former Mamluk colonies on account of Naples supporting Vietnam in the first Irish conflict. LurkerLordB 03:56, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

re:Eldwolf
He's sctually nice when you take the time to talk to him, but he's sort of lazy. When my friends and I tell him to work on something, he insists that we drop the subject. I just don't think he likes being told he's wrong. He also gets sick a lot and when he does, it's for a long time. When he's sick, he gets impulsive. When he started flaming people, he was out of school sick.

He joined PM because he kept seeing me staring at the PM map, planning a strategy (map games do that to you). He was really excited, but he just didn't understand how complicated it was. I had a feeling he would get mad and quit, but I had no idea he would do anything aggressive like that. CrimsonAssassin 16:55, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

Napoleon's World College Football Pick'em 2011
It's that time of year again! Time for the annual Napoleon's World college footbal bowl picks. For each game, pick which team you want to win and the results will be used to determine the winner of each bowl in January!

National Championship (Rose Bowl): 2 Cuba Spaniards (13-0) vs. 1 Pacifica Orcas (13-0)

Texas Bowl: (6) Alabama Crimson Tide (11-1) vs. (5) Iowa Hawkeyes (12-1)

Orange Bowl: (17) Peninsula Raptors (10-2) vs. (7) Florida State Seminoles (11-1)

Silver Bowl: (11) Washington Huskies (10-2) vs. (4) Sequoyah Braves (12-1)

Sugar Bowl: (14) Eastern New York Flying Dutchmen (10-2) vs. (3) Mississippi Falcons (12-1)

Peach Bowl: (16) Virginia Cavaliers (10-3) vs. (10) LSU Tigers (11-2)

Chicago Bowl: (12) Louisiana Pelicans (10-2) vs. (13) Michigan State Spartans (11-2)

Manhattan Bowl: (20) Notre Dame Fighting Irish (9-3) vs. (8) Massachusetts Minutemen (10-2)

Paradise Bowl: (9) San Diego Tritons (12-1) vs. (18) Northern Colorado Billy Goats (11-1)

Citrus Bowl: (15) Montana State (11-2) vs. (16) Nova Scotia (10-2)

KingSweden 23:15, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Naples
You can do whatever you think would be in-character for Vietnam to do, but know that any restoration attempts that take place before Benvolio manages to reach adulthood will automatically fail. Carlo VII is trying to appear legitimate, so he probably will not sever any alliances, LurkerLordB 01:55, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

The uprisings against Carlo VII have begun, if Vietnam aids them they may yet be successful... LurkerLordB 01:21, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Gandhi/Alaska
I like the first part. He could have maybe studied in France though (since he was from the Bombay area) and perhaps he was an influential legalist who helped further introduce Western-style law in India (especially Gangestan) during his lifetime, maybe even becoming a Western style Attorney General?

KingSweden 03:39, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah that could work, maybe that's how they settle areas like Sitka and other coastal towns. Do you know when that kind of technology became widespread globally?

KingSweden 06:44, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

War of the Swedish Succession
The idea of a republic at the time was non-existant. Maybe a council of nobles? However, I have made this war to resemble the OTL War of the Spainish Succession. I have decided on the winner and the algorythm would probably support them as they also are the most powerful faction. I do not mind if Sweden comes under foreign occupation as the time for revolution is drawing near... Vive la REVOLUTION!!Scandinator 22:48, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Also, Flagmania probably had no idea what he was doing...-.-Scandinator 22:56, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Signature
Hate to say this, Yank, but you need to fix that thing. You're screwing up pages when you sign on them right now. The extra space - be it something you put in inside your sig itself, or you are actually doing when you post - is the problem. Lordganon 00:05, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Much better. Lordganon 07:12, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Kunarian II
Sorry if it seems like I haven't been doing anything, but I'm busy atm and I don't really have time to check on the full situation until Wednesday. If you want I have it so that you can't make anymore diplomatic contact (or involve each other in any way) for a certain amount of time, and if the problem continues we can ban him… Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 05:19, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Wow. Amazing what happens while I sleep, lol.

This is.... disturbing. He's gone so far off the deep end that it's not even amusing any longer.

There's no doubt he's at fault, here. Let's just say he's getting blocked for this one.

Lordganon 22:19, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Even worse, that he claims he is "roleplaying." He were to try that on any roleplaying site I can say without a doubt he'd get blocked/banned. Lordganon 22:20, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

YOUR vendetta against me
You know Yank you have gone beyond trying to co-operate it seems, I have tried to co-operate with you so many times and yet you seem to throw it straight back in my face. You now seem to want to persue banning me with a zeal, and yet you say I have a vendetta against you.

This is a reference to your vigorous attempts to ban me due to your over reaction to my ROLEPLAYING (that being a key word here) and now your recruitment of Lordganon into the posse after LurkerLordB.

81.100.112.42 17:51, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Star Trek
I created a page roughly adhering to your suggestions. Who would you propose to play Pike in the 2009 reboot? (I have Tom Brady as Kirk and Adrien Brody as Spock). I was thinking at the end of the reboot, Kirk stages a mutiny and maroons Pike, Chekov and Spock on a planet somewhere, and Pike screams "Kirk!" as the Endeavour flies away to set up a cliffhanger for the sequel.

KingSweden 23:20, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

I like that. I also like Chris Pine, so I approve on both counts.

KingSweden 01:06, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

I also made the Picard analogue in Next Generation much younger, as that was how the role had initially been intended in OTL until Patrick Stewart impressed them. And he's not French in this version, for obvious reasons.

KingSweden 01:09, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Hey! If you haven't noticed, I've sent a trade agreement offer to you in Principia Moderni quite a few turns ago.

Re: Lincoln and Doctor Who
I like the idea for Doctor Who, but that would probably happen towards the end of the Anarchy (late 1954 and 1955) once most of England is secured by the Americans and the ERA.

As for the Lincolns, wasn't the death of his younger brothers the impetus for Edward Lincoln to become interested in medicine? I'd say pick which of the two younger Lincoln sons you would prefer to have survive and then kill off the other so that Eddie Lincoln remains inspired to become a doctor. The Grigsby idea is good.

KingSweden 00:17, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

So if its 1964, then it would serve as a good distraction from the English Reconstruction (which also sucked)

KingSweden 02:30, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Apalachicola
Hi, Yank. Thanks, I will try to use real people - maybe even kinfolk - to fill in the history of the area. There may be some refugees from Tallahassee and the Panama City Area, but overall it will be folks from the towns around the edge of the forest (minus the corner of it that was damaged by the blast over the capitol (silly to bomb such a small city, but hey, that's what has been written). I put in a map, and I'll work on a synopsis later. Thanks again for putting it out there, I know its been mentioned in discussion before.

I think, though, I will change it from "president" to "governor" since it is hardly plausible that the community there would think of themselves as independent of the rest of Florida or even America. This also follows from the official name of the nation-state -- the State of Apalachicola. I will officially adopt in on the main talk page. SouthWriter 19:43, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Hi again, Yank. I noticed you added some new towns to the list for this state. Problem is, they don't exist and I don't see why the survivors would start them. It looks like you have refugees from Athens, Libertyville (Alabama/Neonotia), and the creation of "New" Hooverville" which is somewhat ambiguous since no town named Hooverville actually exists (it's the name for a shantytown based on homeless people in the Hoover administration in OTL). Since I have adopted the article, I am going to remove fictional towns and go with those in existece at Doomsday. Thanks for the reminder to work on the project, though. SouthWriter 22:59, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Courland, Latgalia, and the New Livonian Order
Okay, as you might have already noticed, I've proposed an article on a group styling themselves after the Livonian Order which is active to the east of Courland. Given that you wrote the Courland article and are in the process of working on another survivour nation in OTL Latvia, I thought that it would be a good idea to ask for your input on the matter so as to avoid stepping on any toes.Tessitore 23:10, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. To be honest, I'm not entirely sure. On one had, neo-feudalism is one of those things that are generally bad, and the NLO are very much a force for good, if a bit odd. Not to mention that the idea of a neo-feudal society that close to the relatively 'modern' Courland seems a bit strange.

On the other, they are pretty much running the area they're in (and doing a pretty good job of it at that). What about a situation where who's 'officially' in charge and who's really in charge are two different things, i.e. Latgalia has a leadership seperate from the NLO which was/is somewhat ineffectual when it comes to actually getting stuff done, leading to the NLO taking up the slack. Tessitore 00:49, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, having had a look at what little there is of the Latgalia article and looking up where Rezekne is on the map, it looks like the Livonians and Latgalia can co-exist without any problems, since Latgalia seems to be in mostly in the Latgale region while the NLO operates in the Vidzeme region which is to north-west of where Latgalia seems to be. So it'd be Courland in the west, Latgalia in the east, and the NLO trying to keep things together in the otherwise uncontrolled area between the two (I wonder if any of them is Ravis *grin*).Tessitore 23:15, December 27, 2011 (UTC)

Eh, I was just joking about the Hetalia thing, although there is a group on deviantArt that's focused on Hetalia/1983: Doomsday fanfiction (yes, 1983: Doomsday has reached the stage where people are writing fanfic about it).Tessitore 00:07, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Here's a link: 1983: Doomsday Stories At the moment, it's mostly focused on the Alpines.Tessitore 00:18, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, getting back on topic. I've got up to the Livonians sending an envoy to Courland, so I thought I'd better inquire as to how Courland would react to a group of guys bearing the insignia of the Livonian Order showing up at the border and asking to speak to someone in charge.Tessitore 23:53, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Las Vegas
Ok. Enclavehunter 23:07, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Sandbox
Couldn't help but notice your... trouble?

Here's one for you ^^

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User:Yankovic270/Sandbox

Lordganon 23:43, December 25, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Canada
Hm...


 * Independence date: Ironically... this is pretty much in sync with what I originally thought about (in which French revolutionaries go into exile in America). But as for the independence date, I was thinking much earlier (more like 1809 or something). But I guess 1812 is pretty good.


 * Leader title: Hm.. never heard that, but I am not an expert on the French Revolution (even my history class in High School skipped that chapter [not kidding]). Depends greatly on how far the French Revolution went, and whether Canada (and Louisiana if you also implied to them) want to follow the American system or the "failed" French system.


 * English nationalism: I highly dough there would be any Quebec-styled movement within Canada for the English. When the English took over New France, the French colonists had nowhere to go within America, which helps greatly to why there is such a large French culture still in OTL Canada and Louisiana. In the case for here, the English people who settled in the [then] Province of Quebec (most of which were loyalists from the Thirteen Colonies) had a greater option to leave Quebec, since the British still controlled a large part of the continent. Along with potential anti-English sentiment in Canada following independence, I dough there would be a major English population that would form. While I don't dough there would be an English population, it would be limited (more comparable to the Cajuns in Louisiana).


 * Borealia: I have already settled on the name Borealia for the remaining portions of OTL Canada. I like the name because it "balances" Australia (Borealia=North Land, Australia=South Land). Borealia in that case (and any case) would not be a good name for a province of this nation or Canada.

Hope this helps. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 05:42, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

Romanov Alaska
Unfortunately, an earlier Gold Rush really isn't that possible - it's a question of population, overall. Nor would it help the Russians, really, either, considering where most of the Gold was found - in the Yukon. But the Klondike Rush will get them some hard cash, all the same.

A bloodier Civil War would probably have little effect.

Probably the best PoD I can think of would be a simple one. Otl, Secretary of State Seward had to persuade President Johnson to call the Senate back for a special Session the next day, to deal with the Purchase, when it had become obvious that they would not get to it on their own before it adjourned. Simply put, just have him be unable to do so. With all of the impeachment trash going on at the time, it's very likely that the Senate and House are far too busy to do much of anything about Alaska, and the matter drops entirely.

It would only be some of the dynasty. The Emperor, for example, and his immediate family would no doubt still get locked up. But the ancestors of the current claimants, among others, would no doubt have gotten there.

It would likely end up being a sort of British client state, I'd imagine, but would gain a ton of support from the Allies.

Lordganon 03:32, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

One of the biggest reasons otl why no Czar was crowned after the fall of the USSR is that no one could decide on who the claimant actually was. Here, there'd be an obvious answer. Odds would be pretty reasonable, I'd imagine, of a restoration.

It'd likely be more British-influenced - it would start in an era far before the Americans started to have real influence internationally.

The word "Duma" has been used to refer to such bodies in Russia since the era of the Grand Princes of Moscow (1283-1547). Any such body would be called that, no question.

Lordganon 08:31, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

FTBW and Riel's Canada
Heya Yank, it has been a while since we last chatted, but I hope this message finds you well.

Anyway, I'm currently starting to get back into the AH groove, and I have been starting to get more work done on FTBW right now. So, I'm sure your busy with other things right now, but I'm wondering if you would like to give me hand with some things with it? I'm starting to work on Media and Entertainment. However, they will need a lot of work, and I think someone with new ideas will be able to help out adding in some fresher stuff than I can come up with, especially with some.

Also, I do have free time this Tuesday (January 3rd), if you happen to be coming into the city. I wouldn't mind chatting with you in the near future, especially about Reil's Canada, since we have almost done nothing with it since we first talked about it.

So, I hope you get this soon, and we can arrange things to work out! Lieut. Tbguy1992: Profile; Talk 04:25, January 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * I understand. Thank you for getting back to me, and I will try to shift my schedule around so I can meet yours. Lieut. Tbguy1992: Profile; Talk 01:25, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

Yes I do, but I would prefer not to give it out over the Wikia for reasons that I do not think need to be explained. But, if you get this soon, send an email to tbguy1992[AT]yahoo[DOT]com, and I can give it to you over that if you want. Lieut. Tbguy1992: Profile; Talk 00:46, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

radioactive tide
The CU is willing to neogitate with the PC on peace terms. DeanSims 16:27, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Sam Mudd
Sounds solid. I'll wrap up Will Lincoln for you too.

KingSweden 20:53, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Hainan, Yunnan and Vietnam
As you know I have an article on Guangxi. I was wondering what the reaction of these three nations would be if they met an expedition from a communist-technocratic nation Yunnan in 1991, Vietnam in 1993 and Hainan in 1999.Scandinator 08:35, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

Proposals
Hey Yank I'm going through the proposal list and I see a few of abandoned proposals that are there belong to you, such as, , etc. Do you have plans to finish these? Some of them show promise while others are on the verge of being marked obsolete. Just wanted to know. Arstar 04:15, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not talking about me adopting them, as I've retired from making new articles but If you want me to I will finish off what you've started. Some of your articles, such as the Wabash Union are likely to be marked obsolete and I really wouldn't know how to salvage that but I'll try with the other ones. Arstar 06:08, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

Burmese War
I honestly don't know. I'm running low on ideas for Hanthawaddy, so for now I just want to let Burma ripen. Invade if you want, but Hanthawaddy is too politically weak to help. And I think it is welcome that we have another nation in Indochina, just to break some of the monotony :) Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 01:44, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Contact between the Livonians and Courland
I've started writing about the Livonians making contact with Courland but since I don't know what Courland's reaction would be I'm a bit stuck. Any chance of some help?Tessitore 19:03, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Next Meeting
Well, I have a class from 4-5:15 on Tuesday, so I would have to skip it to come. However, this will be a rare occasion, as I can't miss it that often. Though, I think I can do it this week, as nothing to big is going on in the near future in that class. Lieut. Tbguy1992: Profile; Talk 23:18, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm going to have to say no this week, due to classes and other events beyond my control. Possibly next week if it works out. Lieut. Tbguy1992: Profile; Talk 00:46, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Madoc the Indian
That is precisely what I am planning. Itsaygahi has suffered instability before, and there should at least be some form of French Revolution analogue somewhere in the world. Itsaygahi will fall to the radicals, then suffer a three way civil war between the Levellers, Classists and Racialists. Madoc will fall during that civil war, and a republic established. A republic which will attempt to bring more of the Americas under its control. Its failure will lead to another revolution, which will finally establish a democracy which will pootle along quietly in Itsaygahi for the next two hundred years. Mumby 13:04, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Darfur
I'm currently working on Chad and was wondering if Darfur would like to set up trade relations with either Southern Chad or Transtional Chad or both?

--Smoggy80 15:59, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Principia Moderni Message.
Check this out. RandomWriterGuy 22:35, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Even More
I like the idea for Orson Welles. Gibson idk since I gave most of Spielberg's films to a fictional already. Franco could (rather ironically) have been a long-term communist leader of Spain, I suppose! And I'm not sure what to do with Shatner, unless you have any suggestions.

KingSweden 21:16, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Mali - 1983 DD
Are you still the editor of Mali? if you are would you be opposed to a small chunk of north western Mali coming under the control of the nation of Tamanrasset (1983: doomsday)--Smoggy80 12:51, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Blog deletion
After thinking about it for a good deal of time, I have decided to engage in some heavy-handed administration and deleted your blog post User blog:Yankovic270/Our Very Own "Doctor Jeckyl and Mister Hyde". Regardless of the validity of your concerns, creating a page specifically to attack an individual user was wildly innapropriate and as damaging to the community spirit as the behaviors you complained about. Furthermore, the idea of blog posts dedicated to complaints about individual users set an absolutely dismal precedent. I do not want to see an Althistory Wiki where users take snipes at one another via their blogs. (This was already happening as part of the Comments section was devolving into discussion of your own behavior.)

I'm open to discussing this, and I dislike the idea of censorship; but like I said, I gave this lots of thought before acting. Benkarnell 04:49, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Yunnan
Do you think the leader should be killed off or die now, to make it more interesting in China? :D Imperium Guy 22:35, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

What chain of events do you believe killing off their leader would accomplish Imp?--Vladivostok 22:57, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

I believe there would be a power struggle and that could make things interesting. There might be a democratic takeover, there might be a communist constitution written or it might end up like Taiwan or Jiansu. Its all up to Yank. As well as this, if things go well and the new government is friendly to other survivor nations, there might be a new era of peace and co-operation. Just my thoughts. :D Imperium Guy 22:34, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I don't want to sound nitpicky, but both Yank and I did the article together, so it would have been nice if I were asked as well, but never mind that. I believe the simple idea of it being communist and crazy North Korea-esque is what gives the country something interesting. The whole peaceful cooperation thing has been sort of done to death. Furthermore, there hasn't been any wars in the vicinity, other than their hostility towards the USSR. If anything, they are trying to find as many other governments to fight against Siberia, so, in essence, there is an era of peace and prosperity.--Vladivostok 23:22, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about that, didn't know you were co-founder of the article! :/ I see your point about having a North-Korean like nation still around. :D Imperium Guy 22:12, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

I would love to, but I have no real knowledge on Communism and how it would transform from Maoist to Dictatorial Communism. :/ Imperium Guy 22:26, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Talk Page
I had been editting the talk page, but I decided not to edit it. Then I decided to edit the game page, but the talk page unsaved edit popped up on the main game page for some bizarre reason, and I accidentally clicked submit on it. I made a complaint on the main Wikia forums against that feature for it bringing content onto other pages. LurkerLordB (Talk) 02:42, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Rednecks
As a relatively moderate Republican (or conservative Democrat, they're essentially the same thing) my goal was to make the right wing of American politics less extreme in Napoleon's World, and I think the moderate end to slavery is exactly why that would be the case, so I agree 100% with your ideas there.

The Hindies are a phenomenon all to their own, very closely linked to the PNW and the Alaskan War, and I'm not quite sure by what you meant with "serving in Alaska," but I think you make a solid argument.

KingSweden 04:18, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Ok - so if I understand this right, "rednecks" are lower to middle income but practical, pragmatic individuals known for a knack of making things work?

KingSweden 22:42, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Ok I get it now. SOunds good.

KingSweden 23:01, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

re:Crisis
I'm glad you liked it! If you want to turn it into a timeline, go for it! I can't find it anywhere, though. Do you still have the link? CrimsonAssassin 22:02, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Newfoundland/New Vietnam
Right now, Newfoundland is trying to expand to the Great lakes.the problem is that if they go head-on inland they will never get there.so i'm expanding by the eastern borders, which by now encompass NewVietnam/Newfoundland borders.And, i guess that the 1700s treaty about European/Asian possessions on North America still has value, and the defined borders say that Hungary and by proxy, Newfoundland, has right to land west of the former Russian Canada border, now western New Vietnam border.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 22:19, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

How can i say this without sounding rude?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:08, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Republic of Nimba and Democratic Republic of Lofa
I would like to adopt the Republic of Nimba and Democratic Republic of Lofa articles.--Smoggy80 17:08, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment! if I add anything that you think is incorrect please let me know.--Smoggy80 17:59, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Federation of Liberia
I would like to invite The Free Port of Monrovia to join the Federation of Liberia, would it like to join? and if so would it be before the 1st January 2013 or after?--Smoggy80 13:59, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Didn't think they would, just thought i'd ask, just in case--Smoggy80 17:47, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

New game
Fancey joiming in []. 82.18.202.212 20:20, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Binghamton
I have noticed that the Binghamton and republic of new york pages have been unedited for quiet a while. Have you decided to not use them any more and if so is it ok if i adopt them? Brad30977 20:02, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Have to say, Yank, that letting him do that would probably be a mistake, imo. He's got the drive to do the work, true, but.... not much else, to be honest. Have a look at the articles he's working on, and you'll get what I mean.

PS

You really need to archive this thing, lol.

Lordganon 06:29, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Joint Katangain/ Zambian Military Operation in Angola.
I have an idea for a new section in my Zambia proposal, but it involves Katanga, so I feel that I need your permission before I post it. Anyway, I have noticed that two of the remaining Soviet Kingdoms of Angola are close to the borders of both Katanga and Zambia. Since the Soviet Kingdoms of Angola are petty warlordships, I believe they would try raiding their neighbors on rare occasions. I believe that one day Katanga and Zambia would get tired of the occasional minor raids. So Zambia and Katanga would launch a joint military operation in order to secure their borders from future raiding.Goldwind1 01:58, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Monrovia
I've uploaded a nicer map for the page (its the same one used for all the other Liberia pages) Monrovia's been given some extra territory and if you wish to expand into Grand Cape Mount County and the unclaimed part of Gbarpolu County then feel free.

We will have to discuss how much territory in Grand Bassa and Bong Counties goes to Monrovia and how much goes to the Federation of Liberia.--Smoggy80 17:03, March 27, 2012 (UTC)



I've done this quick map, I was thinking of land to go under Monrovia control in dark green and land to the control of the Federation in pink, what do you think?--Smoggy80 17:11, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

I've added to the Federation page that the remainder of uncontrolled Bong county will be taken in May 2012.

A joint Lofan/WAU/Federation task force will take Suakoko and Zota Districts.

I was wondering if Monrovia would like to take Fuamah and Salala Districts at the same time? Will it require any assitance from the task force?--Smoggy80 17:15, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Your Questions
1. Assuming a more or less identical chain of effects (the Three Mile reactor was slightly smaller, but not by much), a 20 mile zone around the plants gets evacuated. Worse, it takes longer than at Chernobyl, because there is no "Three Mile" incident to make it urgent to do so, so more die. This zone, even if some minor variance is taken into account from the difference in reactor size, includes the state capital of Harrisburg, along with several other cities, screwing the state government. At least in Chernobyl, it was mostly swampland - not the case here. And, still worse, unlike at Chernobyl where the effects largely went into sparsely inhabited (relatively) sites, the effects here.... well, the more northern of the major cities on the Atlantic or nearby are going to get it. New York, Boston, Montreal, etc. Expect a massive reduction in nuclear usage.

2. Would be, at most, more of them than otl. I'd expect a more stable Uganda, and a slightly less populous Israel, but little more than that.

3. The timeline you seem to be referring to covers it fairly well, in a lot of ways. The exceptions being the random Chinese stupidity - you should be able to see that for yourself - the speed of effects in the USSR with regards to change, how the "NATO" treaty means exactly nothing, apparently, and how little the massive Chinese advantage in manpower comes into play.

4. Communists come to power in Germany, and otl fascists flee. Events, in a lot of ways, likely play out as in otl. Expect the Soviet-German alliance to last slightly longer, as Hitler has one less plank to use as a reason for war. But, the end result there is the same. Italy joins the Allies, and war probably breaks out sooner.

Lordganon 19:30, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Highly unlikely. Winds go in the opposite direction, and Washington is quite a ways away. To put that into perspective, Kiev is about the same distance, and direction, more or less, from Chernobyl and was not effected by it in any manner of that nature.

As I said, the best you can manage there is a larger minority of the votes at the Zionist movement meetings to go there.

Best, maybe - because most are trash. China could be beaten by all of them without random, ASB, stupidity. Quality, v.s. Quantity.

Spain likely wouldn't join. Austria, need to be taken, at best, like otl. And, as I said, there are many reasons for the Germans and Soviets to still go after each other - and they likely would, sooner rather than later.

Expect a monarchist movement to emerge in the colonies, if the Crown is not restored.

The Clebourne Memorial, quite frankly, is always overinflated in history. That timeline really isn't plausible, and is another Confederate wank, quite frankly.

Lordganon 01:44, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Yank, you really need to archive this page, lol. Getting far too long.

Fact of the matter is, Republican Spain wasn't communist, despite what sources will often give off as an impression. And, should it go such a way, you'd have intervention. Add to that the fact that the western powers were far, far, far, far more afraid of communists than fascists otl - hence their slowness to react to the Nazis. Would not roll over so politely, there. As for Austria.... it wasn't a puppet state, not even close. At best, something akin to otl would need to be done there, and likely more - wasn't many left-wing politicians, etc. there then.

Well, I suspect it would take a while. Bet on a few decades, for the atmosphere back home to rub the colonists the wrong way. But yes, a Kingdom of Virginia. I expect, however, that the Bay area colonies - Mass, etc. - would be less likely to do it, barring a ton of royalist refugees. You're correct about the mother country being too busy to do much. As for butterflies..... Well, they aren't likely to get past the Miss~ since they will be weaker. Expect Mexico and whoever has Canada to split the otl American West.

Lordganon 07:39, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

You really aren't going to find another "main" member - not that Spain would have qualified there, anyways, lol. Replace with Romania, and maybe Hungary.

Unlikely that they would have Bermuda. Royalists held a small navy.

At a guess, a kingdom, after French lunacy in France leads to revolts like otl.

The Dutch actually didn't really mind the Swedes. Bet on them staying put. Heck, these guys will probably join forces, to some degree, with the Iroquois.

I suspect that the French would still move into the Miss~ valley. The otl Miss~ purchase would probably end up split between them and Mexico.

Mexico, depends on how things go down. The level of violence, and whether or not there is a revolt, will determine the outcome in that regard.

Agreed on Florida.

Correct with Alaska, and bet on the territory expanding a lot further east.

Lordganon 00:50, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

So long as you remember that, while it would likely last slightly longer, any German-Soviet alliance would still be temporary, and that the war would start earlier.

Agreed on Virginia.

New England, call it a more "sane" and less radical version of Iran.

The northern French state would more than likely either be called "New France" or "Quebec" - lean to the later.

Calling the Dutch Republic a "Republic," despite the name, is not really accurate. Basically, replace the nobles with the merchants, and that's what it was. Though it would be a similar setup.

Given Swedish attitudes, and distance, New Sweden would be something along the lines of otl Canada with regards to its government.

At a guess, I'd say that Louisiana starts out as a monarchy, but moves into being a republic. Call it the increased amount of influence from further south.

As I said, Mexico can go either way. If it's given independence in some form, it would be a monarchy - but if it's done in rebellion, it would be a republic. Neither of which would be under Agustín de Iturbide, unfortunately.

The usage of the word "President" really originates in the English Commonwealth. It's very unlikely that Florida would use it. Something like "Consul" would be more likely.

Communism probably would not emerge here, without the starting influences from in NA. Of course, civil war occurred was more or less going to happen anyways. But it's rather unlikely that the Czar needs to flee anywheres. Bet on, like in New Sweden, something akin to otl Canada in government.

Really, the only reason the Mormons got going on such a scale, is because they settled somewhere no one else wanted. Illinois doesn't fit that, and is too close to the colonies. Something could maybe exist much further inland, but I have to say that in a world where Puritans have more pull, it probably wouldn't emerge at all.

Lordganon 09:28, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

You've got it down pretty good, Yank. Much nicer to see a short page here, too.

Fact of the matter is, I'm far too busy to work on another timeline. I'll advise you as you need/ask, but I really don't have the time past that. Apologies :S

Lordganon 07:33, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

EPCOT
Yeah that's not a bad idea. I think something could be done along those lines.

KingSweden 21:01, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Holy Roman Empire
I take it you read my sandbox. Just to add, I am quite surprised to find out how many people actually read it.

As for the HRE, I am actually making it a centralized entity. From what I have read, the HRE was virtually no different from OTL. So in affect, it seems too likely that Austria and Prussia (not to mention the possibility of an Italian unification) would eventually lead to its collapse/survival. But either way, I believe that "Holy" and "Roman" have to be dropped from the name. There is nothing "Holy" about the region without "Rome" (which is the other thing).

So in short... the HRE will become a centralized entity, but under a new name. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 15:25, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

HE: TTG
Don't forget to play Human Evolution: The Third Game! SPQR 18:26, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

PM wars
I would like to tell you that Kenia can actually attack Adal without bordering it and in the process actually expand enough to border it. As well as this, I would like Vietnam's support in the Bharati war against the Capilate-Persia. In return, we promise you our support in the war against Adal. Deal (btw, the algorithim for the Swahili war is almost complete)? :/ Imperium Guy 18:15, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Fractured America Revised and Reloaded (Map Game) has started, pick your natin and let the games begin!

DeanSims 19:34, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, and I promise the Bharati troops will support your war if you declare war. :D Imperium Guy 20:55, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Doctor Who
I don't know a whole lot about Doctor Who, so besides Hugh Grant and Rowan Atkinson (who are both English governmental figures) I'm fine with that list. Hugh Laurie could be a good replacement for Hugh Grant

KingSweden 22:14, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

I guess that would work, like I said you're the expert on this particular show.

KingSweden 02:30, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

World of the Dead
Haha that sounds A LOT like a Cracked.com article I read earlier today... you didn't happen to read that same article, did you? ;)

I did think that was a pretty sweet idea though, and I don't recall there being any AltDest for Romero already.

KingSweden 03:14, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

I think mini-quests would distract from the survival aspect of the game. I'd go with Romero Productions.

KingSweden 01:35, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Or Living Dead Productions. "Studios" implies films solely. "Productions" or "Media" can be a multiplatform media company.

KingSweden 01:43, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Single-player missions in pre-generated towns could make for terrific DLC while keeping the Sandbox function as the main focus of the game. While not traditional MMO, players could "swap" their survivor communities and download maps of towns created by other players that are updated to within 24 hours of download, to avoid realtime edits by original creator. This way, you can choose to share your map through uploading it without having to worry about other players screwing with your work on your personal file.

KingSweden 19:02, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

I added an article basically describing what we've discussed, feel free to add to it as you see fit.

KingSweden 19:10, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Federation of Liberia/Monrovia invasion
I'm thinking that the invasion could start on the 14th May with Monrovia moving across the border into Fuamah and Salala Districts and taking approx 10-12 days to take them, do you want to encounter any resistance? let me know and i'll add it in.

In the meantime Nimba/Lofa and the WAU will cross over into Suakoko and Zota Districts at the same time and take 8-10 days to take the area for the Federation.

Within 14-16 days the whole section of invaded territory should be under the control of either Federation/WAU troops or Monrovia troops.

is that all ok? --Smoggy80 16:24, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

I'll start adding it to the Federation page on the 14th, feel free to copy the sections relating to Monrovia onto the Monrovia page.--Smoggy80 11:37, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

Liberation of Taiwan
Sure, I haven't gained any physical rewards in the liberation of Taiwan, but it has united my people. They thirst for revenge, revenge for the humiliation that they had gotten, twice from China and Vietnam, and both from trying to take back lands that had been taken unfairly from them. An OTL example would be Hitler and the German people... if you catch my drift. PitaKang- (Talk | Contribs) 15:54, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Ireland in Principia Moderni
Ireland and Scotland were joined together for so long, and the Gaelic languages of those nations are so close today, the extra contact would probably make them speak the same language today. (I assume the Celtic Gaelic language would have won out over the Germanic Scots language in Scotland due to this as well as the fact that it was the Keltic Union). Since Scotland is dominating the union, and no religious differences exist like in OTL, it makes since to me that once Ireland became independent, they would join up with Scotland as one nation again, because the only thing seperating them now is geography, not culture. LurkerLordB (Talk) 03:46, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I thought RWG was controling it, in that case... Imperium Guy 21:09, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Mengele
I suppose that works. I would have kept him in France and made him the Minister of Health who helped Sebastien institute the Imperial Health Service/Authority/whatever you want to call it, but Paraguay may be more interesting for Dr. Mengele to end up in.

KingSweden 18:03, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

A fair point. Alright, we'll go with your suggestion. Paraguay it is.

KingSweden 18:29, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Datphia
I appreciate the gesture, but I was hoping to combine Dongfang (New Sweden and Mexico). If Datphia becomes a state of Dongfang, is that okay? Also, I think people would have taken notice of a large nation growing near two colonies. CrimsonAssassin 03:06, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Harrisburg
Enclave and I definitely had Pripyat in mind when we talked about the abandoned Harrisburg. Idk about Pripyat necessarily being "vibrant" in ATL modern day but it at least isn't like Harrisburg. And sure, I suppose Harrisburg could have inspired Silent Hill, although it probably has inspired all kinds of media (like Pripyat/Chernobyl in OTL).

KingSweden 22:04, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Is Ireland under you jurisdiction, or is it fair games for Wales? Also, are political revolutions possible within your own nation, in the future I plan on having a Communist "Liberation" of Wales.Andr3w777 01:06, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Wales requests an alliance or non-aggression pact with Vietnam and her allies. Also we would like any aid you can provide us if we were to enter a was with Denmark or France. Thank you Andr3w777 19:46, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Britain was planning an invasion? I certainly hope this was while Wales was still NPC, because I was under the impression that we had a non aggression treaty, if not I'd like to sign one straight away. Andr3w777 21:07, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Is it possible that you can sell part of Ireland or something else? We are willing to pay handsomely. Andr3w777 17:15, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Depressing Times
My Depressing Times Map Game has begun!

You are in an Alliance with France Yes? If you are could you give my ally aid against Berlin? Andr3w777 23:34, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

I apologize, I have offered them instead an alliance called the Pan Celtic Union, which is nothing more than a treaty organization to protect Celtic-Welsh and Irish interests. Also Wales would like to know if Britain would like an alliance and to join the European Council. You mentioned in an earlier message that I could influence some part of Ireland, do you remember if it was South? I am wondering because my nation would love to expand WITHOUT WAR. Andr3w777 02:26, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

I had hoped to avoid this, but is it possible for Vietnam to send aid to Denmark? Berlin is attempting to get Russia into the mix and you know how that'll go. Also the communists in Wales are gaining some ground in Parliament, if they when this election then we will ratify a long term alliance with Vietnam. Andr3w777 12:16, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Could you please send some aid to Berlin instead? Berlin fully supports the Vietnam government and would love to become allies. EzraNYC 12:18, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Vietnam, May I ask that you aid France, Wales and Denmark against Berlin, otherwise the entirety of Europe will collapse. Also what is a client state? Andr3w777 00:12, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

You need not worry, Wales will soon become neutral, according to the war algorithm the war is over. I was curious because I had hoped to Unite Britain as the People's Republic of Brittany before I knew you ruled them. Drat How could I go about forming a client state of either south or north ireland? . Andr3w777 00:46, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

re: Bessarabian War
I was planning to leave the rest alone anyway, I just wanted a smoother border. your settlement seems fine.-Lx (leave me a message) 01:58, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

I was also planning in making a sort of "russian Commonwealth" akin to the OTL brittish Commonwealth eventualy in a peaceful process(I was not planning on Georgia but on a Transcaucassia or South-Caucassia, A Ukrainian/Malorussian/Cossack state, each of my colonies(except the Maldivies and stuff like that...they are too small to be their own nation), and the Kazakhs would eventualy fully break off etc...). I did not plan to keep all the territory, I saw the Russian Commonwealth TL on this wiki and thought it was a pretty good idea.-Lx (leave me a message) 15:34, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Are you supposed to edit old algorithms? I don't think so. The one you fixed was from two turns ago. You should be editing the one that's for Denmark against Norway, not Greenland or anything. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:21, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Monrovia
If you want it Monrovia can expand into the unclaimed part of Grand Bassa County.

see map



I'll leave it up to you to decide how you do that --Smoggy80 16:51, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

New Beginning Map Game
hey wanna join my map game,im starting it

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/New_Beginning%28Map_Game%29

RE: Josef Mengele (Napoleon's World)
Hi Yank, yep, it is. :) Seems me that i read before about your idea, but I thought that Mengele was to going to Paraguay, not Bolivia, because Bolivia does not exist in Napoleon's World O_o The country never is separated from Peruvian control, and the southern part was annexed by Chile. Yet, whatever the country, if Mengele gained he nationality and managed enter to the political circles, then yes, the idea would work perfectly. :) Regads! --Katholico 04:20, June 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see. Both things (Eichmann's son and Rommel) are very interesting ideas. How would be the life of Adolf Eichmann in your plans? and when this son would be president? In the future or before? I ask this because King already wrote about some presidents in Argentina during the last 30 years.
 * I also think in the possibility of other war in South America... despite thar there is only 5 nations in the continent in the TL. Maybe see the territorial changes in the world map help to decide. --Katholico 05:17, June 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think that both are excelent ideas. The war maybe take place during the 1950's (two decades after the Pacific War and before the Brazilian War). According the map, Ecuador belongs to Colombia, so, Rommel should flee to this country where he will use his military leadership for win. Regards! --Katholico 05:49, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Internet
I think that's an important piece of history (both the Internet and the rap battles part haha)

KingSweden 05:18, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Did we ever figure out what Idle does in this TL...? Not sure if I remember.

I do remember somebody suggesting he be PM but we had Lennon in his stead, which brings up something I was meaning to point out (a few years too late I'm afraid). In the British/English style of government, Lennon would probably have had to work his way up to the Leadership over a few years before becoming PM... this is why I had him not be Field Marshal during the Scottish Conflict, since he wouldn't have been a sitting MP for even one term before the 1999 English elections. HOWEVER, as a man with military experience, he would have been perfectly positioned as the anti-Tory to criticize the Cleese/Stuart governments' operations in Scotland and Cyrene, at least better than any other potential Labour leader.

KingSweden 05:38, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, yes, the Pythons. That was me. Well, Reagan isn't exactly O'Reilly, you're right in that, I've made an effort to portray his show as more center-right and mainstream than anything really, and Reagan's personality certainly wouldn't have clicked with modern day punditry (he was way too cheerful). Still, I like an Idle-Reagan rap duel, it sounds interesting.

KingSweden 05:59, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

PM II
Hello.

If it is okay with you, can I play as Japan in the future PM II map game, please? -Kogasa 17:42, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I promise that in the game after that, I'll let you play as Japan.

And, since you played the Vietnamese this game, maybe you should try to play as the Incans in the next. -Kogasa 18:37, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Me and Kogasa were talking, and he said that he would be interested in maybe just having Japan split into two nations through a civil war or something, that way you could both play as Japan. So if you were interested in that, then you should probably discuss that with him. LurkerLordB (Talk) 00:35, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Khmer in Principia Moderni
Didn't you say when we were talking about micronationalism and whatnot earlier that all Vietnam would lose would be the Thais, because the Khmer, Lao, and other people would already have been assimilated into the Vietnamese culture? It makes sense after being ruled over by Vietnam for so long that their cultures would be almost gone, semi-autonomy should satisfy any need of theirs for less Vietnamese influence. You shouldn't feel compelled to have the Khmer break away just because of what is going on in China. LurkerLordB (Talk) 21:59, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Satire
Sure, I don't see why not.

KingSweden (talk) 03:11, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Republic of New York
I noticed that Ganon reverted massive additions to the RNY page since they were created by an anonymous editor. The changes were in good order, even having wording similar to what you have used in other articles, so I was wondering if you may have just forgot to log in. If it was not you, I'd say check out the anon and talk over his proposed changes.

Have a great day, Yank. SouthWriter (talk) 19:07, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Errr... yes, Yank, that more or less is botching it.

Most of the things mentioned in the edits are impossible, such as the TV, atl internet, airships, etc, being in the area. Heck, it claims that 10% of the population has this internet, which makes absolutely no sense.

They claim that towns are abandoned when they are a short distance from one city or the other.

It talks of rail links all the way to North Pennsylvania, and direct relations with Brazil.

It talks of cars being in common use among the wealthy.

It now says that almost all homes have working telephones and radios.

Boat traffic on the river is stated several times, yet this is not a navigable river at all, unless you're in a kayak.

It has them doubling the size at random, saying that they are suddenly more than halfway to Albany, which makes no sense. It also refers to sites as being included in the state that are even further out.

The edits interfere greatly with the New York Rangers article, and indicate that they are at random taking over that area.

They also change things to the exact opposite of what they had said before.

The edits made no sense at all, Yank, as a whole - maybe a quarter were at all reasonable - and sill do not - and that's why I've just undid them again. Have a closer look and you'll see how random they actually are. Was just some New Yorker - the IP traced to there - not making any sense at all.

Lordganon (talk) 03:42, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

RTr
We are starting tomorrow I'm going to throw the last stuff up tonight, such as the algorithms. Kunarian (talk) 17:27, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Republic of New Netherland
Finally, someone to talk NN to. 0.0

Well technically, the New England states ARE part of the US in this timeline. My best guess is that the author put all his efforts securing the continuation of New Netherland, that he didn't look at the butterflies of such an issue. The US even still has 50 states (with the inclusion of Plymouth, Lincoln, Franklin, and PR to fill the missing states). But I chalk this up to him being limited to library books he had to study in the 1980s and '90s, instead of the wondrous internet that you and I take for granted today.

But I am really glad you brought this up. I have been wanting to write a blog dedicated to his timeline, as well as giving my opinions on it. This would have included the fact that New England (yes) would probably be independent from the US, but due as much to the cultural differences than simply having a country dividing them (but made worse because of which). I have also been questioning the issue of slavery in this USA, since Pennsylvania would be the only free state (until you count any future states). However (not being an expert on the period), I wouldn't know where to start on the matter.

As for adopting and adapting this timeline for this wiki... I love it. I would truly hope that you would allow me to be part of this venture. I to have been considering this idea for years now (I even have been working on my own map of his NN). However, I would prefer to have the author (I forget his name) be aware of such a venture. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 20:54, July 16, 2012 (UTC)