Talk:Yellowstone: 1936

=General Discussion=

Change it to 1936. Or should I? Because it sounds better and more was going on in 1936. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:26, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

First things first
We will need a new world map to show how the world would become at around 1940 - after most of the climate had changed on the planet. This will mean large parts of the world will be ice - including a British dominion loyal to the crown, but it will allow us more accurate nations. I also think we should wait until the backstory is fleshed out. :/  Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:25, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Well, we would need to start actually working on the timeline now instead of later now wouldn't we. Plus, I found this map detailing how much ash and dust would be deposited if Yellowstone did erupt - the area would essentially be uninhabitable for most life because nothing would grow there for the years after the eruption

PESTICIDE (talk) 21:20, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

But once life begins to grow - it will literally explode. melted lava makes for very very fertile soils. Here is the map in progress for the TL.



I am working on it but do not get too excitied about all the new land - there will be a lot of snow around too which I will find a way of representing on the map. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:33, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Here is Kogasa's OTL vs ATL:



I find it to be an extremely useful map and it is very good. Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:38, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

I agree. Let's complete the Italy-Africa chain too perhaps?

(listsquares 2 6 4) -> (16 25 36)

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!)  23:12, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Lemme have a look. Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:33, November 6, 2013 (UTC)



This is another map showing whatever borders of the world that are still there. Many seem to be in the middle of nowhere due to lan around it having risen up. I have a dilemma, however. Should I remove all the borders completely to have a blank map which would be good to look at and have a reference at? Thoughts? Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:50, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

I noticed this map completely covers the west coast, unlike some of the earlier maps. Might want to move the gray area in a bit so that all the articles about the West Coast aren't obsolete. Mscoree (talk) 20:20, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Since the west coast is right on the edge of the blast anyway that would probably mean they're the least damaged within the gray, and eventually becomes re-inhabited. For map purposes though I think we should just move the gray in a bit, so that on maps showing nations the west coast states stick out in the edge of the blast radius. Mscoree (talk) 20:24, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

I'm in.
GUNS THE GLORIOUS, MIGHTY DENIZEN OF THIS WIKI!

Stop being an idiot =)

But yeah, there will be huge amounts of changes and destruction around. Just a forewarning. WWII would seem like a picnic compared to the bloodshed which will follow this. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:36, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

It's not possible, Imp. You know me =)

Yeah, well, that explosion needs be larger. We're talking like the Toba Extinction Event if this ever happens.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!)  18:38, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

It will not be that bad though. We have planned it to be ice age inducing but not wiping out all humans or just leaving a small number inducing. I will probably make it bigger soon. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:44, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Say, chaos for a couple of years, like the Year with no Summer, and then summer comes back minus aboutish 2/3 the human population.

Year with no summer is certain. Most of North America gets killed, and most of northern Europe but not 2/3 of the world. That is too high. You will have to kill of India and China for that - both nation which will actually benefit like 4 years after 36. Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:51, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Unless... Chain reaction with the Ring of Fire? It is possible... In that case we'll have a DD like world, except, you know, less radioactivity.

I dunno. However, maybe they could become way more active and create land at a hugely faster rate? Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:18, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Right! Simultaneosly helping and hurting humanity.

Yeah. Makes my map update more believable. :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:22, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

What IS your map BTW? I mean...

One sec.

On the other hand... considering what's happened here with Oct and all... SHFT.

Whaddya mean? Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:27, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

The Implausogasms have tainted it.

I mean, one of the mods is OCT.

Well it was his idea for a new community TL. The supervolcano thing was local's idea. The map was my idea. Toby was one of the guys who got the layout done. We are the four moderators of the TL. And if Oct says anything random - three outvotes one. Imp (Say Hi?!) 14:55, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

Can I help with this timeline? Mscoree (talk) 15:33, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, it is a community timeline

Y'all dat shit be trollin' eff.

If, Imp? If he says something random?

Guess Who? ~

Why is Oct a Mod?

THAT'S WHAT I SAID!

Kudos to Local for guessing who. xD

Also, who has MODERATORS for community TLs?

Guess who's idea it was?

The idiot formally known as Octavian Marius?

Mhmm Made the date and helped get it going, and made the first page. OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM

Some pages
I request to others that the pages of the Great Chaos and Climate are left to me as they will make up the backbone of the timeline. If you have any suggestions, you call tell me however. Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:20, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

I have a proprisition. Some who have coastal access to the Pacific escape by boat and eventually form a Confederation in the middle of Pacific. This is UglyTurtle, Signing off. 18:36, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

Right, since the explosion would have thrown up a bunch of pacific islands, we could have American refugees flee there.

Also, I hope no one minds; but I just added a page here...

Most of that area would be under snow or glaciers... Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:39, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

Yep. I know. But, it could still be pretty powerful...

Why
Why was my name removed from moderator, i was one of the founders. OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM  19:30, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

A) Because this isn't an effing map game. We don't need moderators.

B) You really want an answer to that question?

I think most of us might decide against moderators, or at least the word moderator. Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:47, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

Does anyone know the proposal template? Oct doesn't seem to know what it is, and I dint know how to put it on his articles

. Simple enough lol. Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:55, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

No, don't use that.

Use That way you get the Timeline name too.

I FREAKEN PRACTICALY FOUNDED THIS AND I GET NO RIGHTS. The Marius Creature

Guns i am also tierd of u thinking u can push me around. OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM

I think nothing of the sort.

I KNOW (jk).

How the hell can you alternate between accusations and whining with that alacrity and then have the gall to wonder why we don't treat you as an equal?

Oct, all you did was say 'We should do another Community TL'. The POD was mine. Map is Imp's. Layout and crap is TOB's.

Me and Kogasa. We both have contributed to the map. I will make my version the completely blank version and his can be the version to compare the OTL planet to the ATL world. So yea! :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:23, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

So to recap, Kogasa, Imp, Toby and I have all contributed more to the 'founding' of this Timeline than you, Oct. Does that answer your question as to why you get no rights? Also, Guns and Imp brought it back from the dead. ~Local

I will happily take the claim for that! :D  Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:40, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Credit should go to Imp for raising it. I didn't even know it was dead. He's Christ, the TL's Lazarus, I'm just the guy standing behind him and to the left a little xD.

Sinfata

Abolishment
Do you think we should abolish the moderator thing going on and just have the guys who founded this run it and orgnaise it? Would that be better? Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:42, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and also, be careful Guns! Oct is Tiered! He is 'One of a series of rows placed one above another:   a stadium with four tiers of seats. 2. A rank or class.''tr. & intr.v.'' tiered, tier·ing, tiersTo arrange (something) into or rise in tiers:'

Why don't we just do what Apocalypse 2012 did, and just have a list of contributors on the main page. We will all just regulate each other. Mscoree (talk) 19:52, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Right. Let's also NOT do the other thing A2012 did (let it die, that is). p

I like the idea of the founders running it (Me).

Except you didn't found it... You said 'Let's make a community TL'.

Local had the idea. Toby made the layout and the page, I believe. Imp and Kogasa made the map. Imp and I 'revived' it. You... uhhh...

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!)  23:24, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Helped set it and came up with a few MAJOR details.

Look, Oct, no one's denying that you've done quite a bit of decent work here. But you aren't going to lead this or anything of the sort. If we were to have a leader (and we certainly will bloody not) it would be Local or Imp.

Imp. I don't want to leader. Far to much responsibility. If we have a leader, which we shouldn't, imo, then it should be Imp.

Let's Get to Work, Gentlemen.
Evening, Gents.

Let's get right down to it.

We need to plan for this world.

Firstly, let's make a 1983DD-esque section for each of the Proposals.

Then, let's plan out this forsaken world.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!)  23:10, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Those wishing to officially work should put their names on the main page. I agree with the DD esque proposal. Makes sense. I feel planning this world would take a lot of effort and we need the ideas.

See Guns, I think if the Holy Russian Empire is a modern thing, then it is too small. I also know where you got the idea from. Plus no Holy Russian Empire would be complete without Greece and the Cresent, especially Constantinople.

Plus, in the Great Chaos, a lot of Chinese will die on the hands of the Japanese. For a while at least, Japan will become almost superpower like due to the fact the nation stopping it from expanding has just vanished. It will most certainly carry out a Chinese genocide and use the new lands to farm for its people. The authoritarian nation would probably become our Socialist Siberia, but much meaner and more powerful. SCARY THOUGHT. Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:29, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

And less socialist, of course.

Right, Russia. So control over the Black Sea, Baltic, Aral... THIS IS SUPERPOWER MATERIAL xD.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!)  23:32, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

But I had a civil war planned in Japan, and made it split into some nations. Should I just change it all then? -Kogasa  2013 November 05, 01:47 (CET)

These are just musings, I think. Perhaps you could have the Japanese rise, then collapse to Civil War? My HRE page mentions a WWII, that could be the reason...

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!)  23:49, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to give it second thoughts. I might just end up having Japan become the Socialist Siberia instead. I'll think about it for a while. -Kogasa  2013 November 05, 01:56 (CET)

By the way, can we have an official name for the eruption? I've used Eruption Day, but I've seen Yellowstone Event and others...

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!)  16:44, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

I use Yellowstone event

Well, Kogasa I was a bit on the hesitant site about you doing the Japanese this time. You seem to have a way to get the Japanese nations into a way of democracy and peacefulness - both of which the Japanese here are defiantely not. We are talking about a Japanese Empire on the scale never seen before at all. They will pretty much dominate the east of Asia - especially since they are all connected. Their navy will begin to recieve less focus and the nation will quick to capture tanks and adapt them to their needs. The problems of metals will not exist anymore either as they will be able to transport them from the South.

And lemme be clear. North America is almost completed dead. Sure, the explosion range is only dark grey but the rest of the continent will suffer indirect effects the most. The most I can see happening is small states on the far east coast who somehow manage to survive. Not to say the ice will make life hell.

I think Eruption Day sounds better. Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:49, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

I actually have to disagree. Japan will be a massive target for Earthquakes and Tidal Waves- Ring of Fire Chain Reaction, remember?

Yeah, the West Coast is totally open and out.

I like ED better too.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!)  17:58, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

I never said the chain reaction would be so explosive. New land is formed very frequently and we are just accelerating the process with this. Plus, it will take time for the volcanos to go Saint Helen and the Japs already had a large number of troops in Manchuria and a very large navy. As soon as the first land starts to drain, they quickly begin to relocate their people. Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:10, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Is that what they did before the nuclear power plant blew up?

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!)  18:16, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

No one understood nuclear power then like they did now. Everyone knows what a volcano can do since the dawn of man. When Fukushima was under trouble, they evacuated a large area. My point. Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:57, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

No Imp, since the first mountain exploded on man.

Hahaha, same thing! XD  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:36, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

History
Ok, guys, we need more history for this TL to work. Let's plot out some very basic things.

Got a new idea, third age of imperialism! began in the year 1990 and is going on. It is where new colonies are made in places that have resorted to a tribal setting.

Well that would be commonplace well before 1990 Oct. The world has become a lot more depopulated and the need will present itself. Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:44, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

What level of technology should humanity be at? Obviously no nuclear technology, powerful computers, satellites, space travel, cell phones, etc. Just so I know. Daeseunglim (talk) 02:42, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, so were assuming World War Two doesn't happen to the extant it did IOTL; and that (possibly) tens of millions of people have died due to the volcano, thus retarding society and technological growth. If I had to guess, the world's technological level would be around 1970's to 1980's levels, with computers similar to those of the 1960's, and space exploration coming in during the turn of the century (so pretty recent) if any at all. PESTICIDE (talk) 13:05, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Tens of millions doesn't even cut it. Try something around 400 million. We have the Great Chaos and then we have nations looking to rebuild. Germany should get a population boost by the arriving Scandinavians, but they will put a strain on resources and cause greater unrest. The Russians will probably invade Slavic nations which have not been majorly affected by ice and so would probably end up invading most of Eastern Europe - with the dictatorship keeping control of the nation for a while before they descend into chaos.

The Brits will probably run to India and South Africa - followed by the Canadians. They will set up their new command areas there - probably South Africa would be the main administrative capital for them. They would probably end up uniting their southern African colonies into one major administration. Australia would also remain the other light of the British Empire. We could expect chaos in India but we should have the Brits coming in and stabilising stuff - not after a bloody civil war and a huge famine however. Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:49, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

My Russias basically done. From there, we hath conquered the Norse. And the Slavs. And the Greeks. And some Persians. And a coupld of Turks. IDK.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!)   [Sometimes the person you take the bullet for is standing behind the trigger!]  00:42, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Well, we don't know how that will turn out Guns. The territory is under dispute.

In the Middle East, Egypt has become a major power, along with its friends Iraq and later Iran. Eastern Africa is a divided mess (sort of) and so is Arabia. Italian North Africa is split into Tripolitania and Fezzan. Iran includes Azerbaijan and maybe Afghanistan and Tajikistan (I don't know at this point) while Britain still maintains a foothold in Southern Arabia. The Yemens have been united.

"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 00:51, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Timeline
So, are we creating a whole bunch of nations and making a timeline baout them, or ar we making the timeline and then making nations described in them. either way, we need a TL.

We're doing this the time-honored manner that spawned the Il Bethisad and 1983: Doomsday Timelines.

We'll make up random stuff then cover it with a timeline later =)

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig <font color="#000000">(Dammit, Guns!)  18:54, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Article Confusion
Many people have been claiming things that belong to other people. Like scraw calaims eire when dase owns it. We need active mods. <font color=Purple face="Algerian">OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM

These are all proposals. The first article to be accepted into canon is the one that will be the truth. Likewise, I assume that in order to be accepted, your article has to be all proper and chock full of good content.

00:15, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

No one touch the Middle East, OTL Libya, or Eastern Africa. I have a map and timeline for that in progress.

"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 00:22, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

No one touch Germany, Austria, Italy, Slovenia, there is already plans made for those nations. <font color=Purple face="Algerian">OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM  02:45, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Also to keep on top of things we should have a off day WHERE NO NEW PAGES CAN BE MADE, to let the admins cetch up and to stop confusion. <font color=Purple face="Algerian">OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM  02:45, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Well we can go around making pages obso if we see it fit to be obso, so we already have that power. Right now, it is looking like a lot of your articles will end up so. Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:19, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

=Article Proposals=

Federal State of Italy (Yellowstone: 1935)
Made by the Marius creature still a work in progresses.

Tuscany (Yellowstone: 1936)
Made by the Marius creature still a work in progresses

Holy Russian Empire (Yellowstone: 1936)
Made by guns, still a work in progress.

Ok, Almost done here. Map's good, I've got the history and everything planned out... just need to, you know, make it.

I will be done soon.

I'm as done as I can get till we up and at some other history.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig <font color="#000000">(Dammit, Guns!)  22:59, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

ANY OBJECTIONS TO GRADUATION??

I object to this only on the grounds that its territory is in dispute.

And fix your sig, please. It is making everyone edit in source mode.

"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 00:53, November 7, 2013 (UTC) I know… I need to fix that. Actually, I posted this before checking that page *guilty shrug*.

Italian Democratic Republic (Yellowstone: 1936)
Made by the Marius creature still a work in progresses.

Papal Sates (Yellowstone: 1936)
Made by the Marius creature still a work in progresses.

Kingdom of Naples-Sardinia (Yellowstone: 1936)
Made by the Marius creature still a work in progresses.

Kingdom of Sicily (Yellowstone: 1936)
Made by the Marius creature still a work in progresses.

Italy (Yellowstone: 1936)
Made by the Marius creature still a work in progresses.

Republic of San Marino (Yellowstone: 1936)
Made by the Marius creature still a work in progresses.

Republic of Genoa (Yellowstone: 1936)
Made by the Marius creature still a work in progresses.

Democratic-Sicilian War (Yellowstone: 1936)
Made by the Marius creature still a work in progresses.

Federative Republic of Macau
Article about an independent Macau. -Kogasa

Republic of Hong Kong
Article about an independent Hong Kong. -Kogasa

United Kingdom of South East Asia
Article on Thailand. -Kogasa

Indonesia
Article on Indonesia. -Kogasa

Republic of Korea
-Kogasa

Empire of Manchukuo
-Kogasa

Japan
-Kogasa

Republic of Ezo
-Kogasa

Republic of Kōchi
-Kogasa

Hyōgo
-Kogasa

Saga Republic
-Kogasa

Republic of Tokyo
-Kogasa

Tōhoku Republic
-Kogasa

Austria
MARIUS

Commonwealth of Erie
Daeseunglim (talk)

USA
TOB

This article has been replaced with this one. This article will likely become obsolete or come to describe some other obscure survivor state on the east coast, I think. Mscoree (talk) 04:17, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Canada
Daeseunglim (talk) 02:47, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

New England
PESTICIDE

Egypt
"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 21:42, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

The Unchallenged Conqueror #FP (Talk to Me)

Will post the link for it later i have to fix it cause one of my friends screwed up the post for it

Unknown

I'm not sure what this is supposed to be, but we already have a canon article on the Yellowstone Eruption. Mscoree (talk) 04:16, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

and probably Imp as well

Presidents of New York
00:08, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Battle of DC
01:06, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Tripolitania
"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 01:07, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

List of Presidents of Chicago
Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 01:14, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Republic of Normandy
By that Mysterious Guns Fellow.

Great Lakes Union
02:09, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Doesn't this infringe on the Republic of Chicago? Also, how can you have a huge union directly outside the line of no life?

~ Giant Guns template

I don't think it does, as Chicago is in Illinois, which this state does not occupy.

I will admit, I do think some of these nations are rather large.

"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 02:14, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Ahh. fair enough.

But, yeah, but large, no?

~ Giant Guns template

I actually agree. I was thinking of a Canada-US split soon. Also it's not all that close to the no life zone.

02:22, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Roman Empire
"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 02:35, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Crimea
"<font color="#AACC99">This is not your grave  but you are welcome in it. " 02:35, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

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