Talk:Moderator Page (Principia Moderni II Map Game)

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First things first!
OK guys welcome to our first official mod meeting! lol. Here you all may freely and calmly point out things that need our immediate attention. A few things I can think of right off the top of my head are: and so many more.... let us begin!AP (talk) 06:43, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * The Mayan Empire
 * The extremely large German colony in Antillia
 * The overzealousness of personal unions, most of which need to be broken by now
 * The lack of Indian attacks
 * The Incan Empire fiasco

--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 11:32, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) what is this Incan empire fiasco?If you are referring to the part of the Aymarás breaking up, you should have came up with that earlier.
 * 2) I think that the German colony has expanded legitimously, when it comes to expansion rates, except for those times when he tried to expand 3000 sq km, but then, i made sure that the correct number was displayed on the map, But, he didn't annex the Iroquois.instead, he got a sizeable portion of their territory, and an outlet to the Lake Erie, according to the future 1585 map.
 * 3) It's not easy to break up a personal union.The only way to do it are by means of revolt, like OTL Portugal did in 1385 and 1640, but not every revolt is successful.
 * I don't think he's talking about rule breaking. We mean as in Indians need to attack this German colony the most desperately.
 * Also look at the proposed Ammendments for Talk Pages on PMII Talk Page.  Saamwiil, the Humble 12:29, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * I tried, but i couldn't understand your point.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 15:23, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * We also need to clarify things. Like my colony is also supposed to be bordering Lake Erie but somehow the German colony is on its way to Michigan. We need to set up a colonial limit like at the Appalachians to prevent extreme expansion inland. Yeah, I propose the Huron Indians attacking and defeating the colony, taking control of the Canadian peninsula(their tribal land) and a very small part of western New York. But maybe not that much since its player loves to complain.
 * Aragon and Navarre need to break away and form Spain already. And we need to clarify Brandenburg's personal union with Austria. Austria was actually in personal union with Castille until their "last ruler died and was married to Bran.'s ruler." It actually never happened. People always find a way to evade the rules. Never mind on the Incan
 * AP (talk) 03:38, January 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, this thing is very chaotic (MP tries to form an peronal union with Castille, he leaves, Mawilda tries to form an personal union with Aragon and Austria, is rebuffed by everybody else.)but he said that the Austrian player left his nation to be controlled by whoever was the Emperor.And Spain in OTL basically formed with most of the Iberian peninsula on control of one nation.Aragon and Navarra only control less than one fourth of the Peninsula.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 06:35, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

I was thinking of of having more organised discussions, so that people don't have to repeat their argumetns over an over agains. Sample

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Anyways, I'll begin on and Indian attack for the German colonies. Also, I am starting a new surge of Kappelism by a guy in Switzerland called Marex. Tired of Venetian missionaries abusing him to convert he has a 'holy dream'. This Marexism shpuld be kinda like OTL Mormanism in beliefs. Saamwiil, the Humble 04:55, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

A surge of Kappelist sentiment should occur at the turn of the century. They should rebel or something. Also, it is a bit implausible that a lot of nations(Venice in Milan/Genoa, Saxony in Altmark) are converting the people back to Catholicism. Conquered peoples don't comply, especially when it comes to the Reformation.AP (talk) 06:32, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

1590 will start Marex's dream, in 1595 he will have a small following, in 1600 (HRE's break up) he has a fairly large following in mainly Switzerland (still a minority), and a few in other countried 1606 he is assassinated by a Catholic Missionary who views his Christianity as a threat to Catholism (he is indeed a branch of Kappelism). The clear successor is the scond in command, the marexist High Priest of Yahavi. After that I'm open to suggestion on what is to happen to the groop. Saamwiil, the Humble 04:22, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Personally, I think the Indian attacks are overkill. The Indians driving out the Germans from Canada was fine, but pushing further east(more than the Iroquois homelands) is implausible. The new Kappelianism thing seems fine, though.AP (talk) 04:55, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

They aren't going to win anything in OTL New York, but they can keep them out of Canada, which SS seems to be having a fit about, because expanding implausibly is his 'God given Right'. I would like you to look at the key word in my mod event, 'try'. Saamwiil, the Humble 13:10, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

C'mon, it's not like he's taken all of Quebec in a single year. I do agree he's rather landhungry, but pushing them out of Canada should be enough. If you don't feel comfortable with letting him stay in OTL US then have the tribes that pushed 'im out of Canada form a kingdom or something. Fed (talk) 02:53, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

That's all I was planning on doing, Canadian tribes can't push him out of New York, many have already died to keep him out of Canada. Also, it has been made clear that he is reading the mod page. Saamwiil, the Humble 17:42, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

You don't have the right to post mod events, Saammy. Not to mention the fact that you quit the game, and thus no longer have a right to push your agenda on us. Even LG told you flat out that you were wrong. So why do you have to insist to stick around? --Yank 18:15, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, what should Marex's last name be? Saamwiil, the Humble 20:10, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Players violating the explicitly stated rules
So I won't name names, but there have been a few times already where players have a) Read the discussions here b) metagamed as a result and c) Have contacted a mod on their page regarding the discussions. We need to come up with an appropriate consequence to deter any future violations from any player. Should we let them off with a warning or do we act?( which would reinforce our ideas immediately).AP (talk) 23:57, January 19, 2013 (UTC)