Talk:American Empire (Map Game)

Kingdom of Louisiana Negotiations
The USA would like to unite with Louisiana, or purchase its freedom from France and gain some of Louisianas land north of the Missouri an/or the Arkansas River. Louisiana will be allowed to expand westward and southward if France excepts this deal, but not northward after it cedes some territory to the USA. FRrance will be given most of OTL Newfoundland province in OTL Canada. DeanSims 15:30, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Louisiana's proposal:

This will satisfy France, America, Louisiana, and Russia's colonial/territorial problems. Bobalugee1940 17:02, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

NO, THIS DID NOT SATISFY ME! THIS IS EXTREMLY IMPLAUSIBLE SINCE IT NEVER HAPPENED IN OTL! I DEMAN THIS BE REVERSED OR I WILL TELL ABOUT THIS TO THE TSPTF! RandomWriterGuy 00:19, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

How come every map game DeanSims plays as an American nation America always develops an ASB giant empire? LurkerLordB 04:29, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

I like a big America. DeanSims 19:40, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

What satisfies russia is posted...this certainly does not...-Lx (leave me a message) 19:34, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

Treaty of New Orleans
I am willing to concede territory in exchange for peace. Here could be the terms:
 * Northern California, Cuba, and the negiotiations with England over conceding the Bahamas to the U.S.
 * Florida will be divided between the U.S. and the Kingdom of Louisiana.
 * San Domingo and Puerto Rico to France.
 * OTL Mexico will be granted independence and granted Southern California and Texas.
 * U.S. promises not to expand anywhere in it's South American territorys.
 * Russia will hand over it's remaining territory in North America to the United States.
 * All hostilities to be ceased and exchange of prisinors.
 * Each side will pay for war damages (It was, after all, U.S. and Louisiana imperialism that brought upon this war).
 * Chuncks of Texas to be handed over to the Kingdom of Louisiana.
 * Berlin Conference: Spain, France, and Prussia to support one another in war and in peace.

This fair enough? BlackSkyEmpire 22:37, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Even though were not participating in the war, the Mexican Rebels agree. Also, if Mexico is able to be granted independence, can we keep OTL Nevada and OTL Arizona, and were willing to give Utah to Lousianna or the US.Enclavehunter 22:48, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Final agreement on the Treaty of New Orleans was: Bobalugee1940 23:10, December 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Grants American ships unfettered access to New Orleans
 * 2) Gives the United States of America all land north of the Missouri River
 * 3) Defines Louisiana as including Florida
 * 4) Makes the Kingdom of Louisiana the protectorate of America
 * 5) America will be able to make territorial concessions in the Canada, Caribbean and Mexico
 * 6) Louisiana will be able to make territorial concessions in Mexico and the Caribbean.

How about what Bobalugee said at the top, but Mexico gets independence, everything north of the rio grande can be divided between Russia, Louisiana, and America. All I ask is for mexican independece. Enclavehunter 23:18, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea. Bobalugee1940 23:58, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Good. Now what's see what DeanSims has to say about the suggestion. Enclavehunter 00:01, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good as long as russia gets part of the pacific coast(the parts illustrated on my CAtherine the Great Claims map)-Lx (leave me a message) 00:09, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

Two down, one more to go. Enclavehunter 00:16, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

Everything is good, but what about the part when Spain, France, and Prussia cooperate? Prussia is fighting me! THis can't happen! Also, since Spain lost, shouldn't it be incorporated into France? RandomWriterGuy 02:19, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

I believe that you are fight Prussia and Spain, Prussia is fighting you and Spain, and Spain is fighting the USA, Louisiana, you, Russia, rebels, and Prussia. The part with you in there is called a triparte war, it has happened before I have forgotten when, but it has. Bobalugee1940 02:27, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

But you have not answered my question, is the rest of Spain (a.k.a. territories it did not lose and of course, Spain itself) is mine now? RandomWriterGuy 04:59, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

From what I'm seeing, it most likely Spain would belong to whoever RWG is playing as, the Central and South American countries would most likely either declare independence, or divided between Brazil and the other American powers, including your country RWG. However, this is what I think might happen. It should be decided between the victors of the war (US, Russia, you, Louisianna, and if Prussia survived.) Enclavehunter 05:04, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

What I said was that russia only agrees with this treaty if the territorial claims of Catherine the Great are accepted...or roughly thise claims....so i do not agree with article 2 about missouri....and add something about a mexican state being formed south of the rio grande. -Lx (leave me a message) 19:38, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

The Treaty of New Orleans only refers to Louisiana and the US. When Mexico declared independence it had all of New Spain in North America. But, I said Mexico would only occupy OTL Mexico, so really any Russian claims in North America should be respected. Also, Louisiana would most likely get more territory than the US, since its bordered to territory that was ounce Mexico. So I say the Treaty of New Orleans should revisioned to include Russia in it. Enclavehunter 19:55, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

Which One
I am thinking about joining this game. However, i'm indecisive about which country to take.I was thinking about Austria (plan A). then France attacked it. Now i'm in doubt if i take Austria anyway, or my plan B (declare independence from Spain on the South American colonies [nothing against the Spanish player, but Brazil is already taken, so something centered around Argentina or Peru would be my second options on South America, although the main problem is that those nations are not independent, what make it in a position of doubt.) Denmark-Norway (i'm almost giving up on this.), or Great Britain (plan C).--Collie Kaltenbrunner 10:30, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

Treaty of Madrid.
This treaty is to end the hostilities between the Warring factions of Spain and Russia, the United States, Louisiana, the Mexican Nation.

This treaty announces The coalition powers victorious and partitions the Spanish holding in North America.

These are the peace conditions

 * 1) All Territory North of Panama and south of the Rio Grande including Baja California is now the independant nation of Mexico with a capital in Mexico city
 * 2) The Russian Empire will be granted the PAcific coast, aswell as all land north of the Churchill river and(however to describe the map here)
 * 3) America and Louisiana will gain all other Spanish Territory in North America, and will be dealt with as they see fit(this is a go to add articles to the partitioning of New Spain)
 * 4) The Russian Holdings in Norht America will hensforth be devided into Alyeska, the Ross gubernia, and Vankuver.
 * 5) More articles can be added...

Signatories
Russia:

America:

Louisiana:

Spain: