Talk:Battle for Earth Strikes Back! (Map Game)

Is octivian allowed t be the Jaledom of the Universe? Seems a little unfair Local (talk) 22:15, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

I don't see why not. A name is different from a fact.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 22:18, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Notice
Something came up and I'll be away from my home computer. I'll upload the maps when I return home on Thursday. Until then, why don't we start the game before it loses momentum? CrimsonAssassin- "You can't handle this egg roll"

Nah, I think we need to settle down a bit. I think Wednesday would be good.

Also, not to offend anyone or turn anyone away, but I feel like we have too many alien nations. Maybe some of them could unite?

04:14, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

As long as seniority gets priority. If they're not in the timeline or one of the previous games, they get bumped to the bottom of the list. CourageousLife (talk) 04:19, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

I agree. Most specifically, I believe that Crim, Lx, MP, you, Pita, and I should maintain the top as the longest standing and most frequent and dedicated player of each incarnation of the game.

04:25, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Some people didn't ick a human nation. CrimsonAssassin- "You can't handle this egg roll" 13:26, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

If possible, could we see a weakening of the mod alien nations? They have been rediculously overpowered in each and every game, controlling 80% of the galaxy at one point, and wiping out entire nations on a whim. No one could challenge them, and that ultimately saw many players, myself included, leave the game. Also, I would like to see new mods aside from the ones that have managed the other games instated. Scraw, Pita, and the others are nice, but they kind of kill the game with their superwars and in-game threats.


 * Regenetech Empire: You can't beat us!
 * Random alien nation: Yes we can.
 * Regenetech Empire: *sends giant freakin' death saucers*
 * Game Over

Mod attacks. Every freakin' time. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 14:24, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, let's settle this out.

Scraw - Not counting the mod nations, we actually seem to have the same number as we usually do. It should be fine.

Crimson - Yes, they should choose a human nation if they have an alien nation.

Viva - That's kinda the point of mod nations. If one other space nation could destroy a mod nation, then that would ruin the police of the game. The mods are supposed to play out like this:

The Dravimosian, Azaranian, and Regentech empires are counterbalanced by the Mechs and the Firstborn. There are more mod controlled nations on the side of the Mechs/Firstborn then on the grand alliance. While it is counterbalanced like this, I do agree the mods need to turn it down a little.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 14:38, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

They need to turn it down a lot. There is no point to mod nations, and that sounds more like an excuse, as if there were valid mod nations, they'd be in every game we've played or have yet to play. We don't need an invincible force to police the game, since that only needs to be OOC action (henceforth mod-events). Furthermore, no space nation can fight a mod nation since it is widely acknowledge that such an action is impossible. The idea that the mod nations and destroy non-mod nations without a fight is where the real issue lays. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 14:46, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

There is a point to mod nations, first of all, and second of all, for the most part, all the previous mod nations have been in every game that we have had. We (or at least myself) have ever said that fighting a mod nation was impossible, all you need is some support to back you up. If this is the case, mod nations should take years or decades to defeat minor nations because of the difficulties of planetary sieges. I know that will be the case of my nation, at least.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 15:02, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

What if moderators and nations were separate entities. Instead of having really overpowered nations, just have people judge from the sidelines, regardless of their in-game nation. Mscoree (talk) 20:39, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

We really shouldn't have mod nations. Too many people are willing to whine about mods ganging up on them or being overpowered. CrimsonAssassin- "You can't handle this egg roll" 17:53, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Well have mod nations but make it possible for them to be beaten by other nations. Instead of the situation USA vs Liberia, have it be more like the UK vs Brasil (random example there). Obiously, the UK will probably win, but Brasil has the outside chance. The Anonymous Guns:

It is possible for other nations to beat mod nations, all you need is another mod nation or many minor nations. What we need to understand is that scenarios like U.S. vs. Liberia, using guns' analogy, are possible and do happen.

This is a tradition that first occured since the first game with the concept of "ancient nations" that have an advantage in bonuses. Ever since then, we had a basic system of alliances to hold each other in check. Further, now that we have a mod that is not in control of a mod nation, we can see it from a minor nation's point of view if we are unfair.

I hope this eased any concerns, but let me know.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 00:18, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Monster Pumpkin. Also as an unofficial rule moderators should try to avoid attacking smaller nations and being overly jingoistic for no reason. Mscoree (talk) 18:07, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

Alien Nation Page Help Needed!
Hey guys, I'm really sorry to ask this but can someone create me just a basic template for my alien nation that will on require information to be entered in?

I'm not lazy, it's just that my browsers (I've tried Explorer, Chrome, and Mozilla) won't allow me to edit anything anymore, and I've had to edit from the iPad I'm using now. And even from the iPad, I cannot create new articles. So again, can someone please create just a very basic template for my alien nation? All it needs really is the page created with an info box please and thank you. EiplecOco (talk) 19:12, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

I've made the page here. Mscoree (talk) 18:10, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a ton mate!!! EiplecOco (talk) 20:07, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

No problem. Happy to help. Mscoree (talk) 03:21, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Also, is it alright if my alien civilization is boron-based and therefore more crystalline in makeup than soft flesh. They are more diplomatic based than open warfare due to a slower metabolism brought on by their entire existence on their very cold worlds. They breath a combination of Ammonia and Chlorine, the chlroine being natural and rare, but the Ammonia is newer, and existent in another form rather than salts due to underground volcanic activity. Their planet reaches its cold temperature by being the same distance as Earth is from its sun, to their own sun, but the Veridian sun is a white dwarf. Is this allowed? EiplecOco (talk) 05:01, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Well, umm, I'm not a biology student or anything like that, but I do study physics, and boron, despite its proximity to carbon, is actually different in many way, and probably wouldn't be able to support life. Carbon, silicon, even germanium, yes. Think columns, not rows.

Oh haha, then I'll change it to some other basis. I wanted to go different than Carbon and even Silicone based life to make my race very different from anyone else's. I would use Germanium now, but it's even rarer than Boron, so I'll break out my periodic table haha. EiplecOco (talk) 02:52, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

Wait, I have links to Boron-based life! http://arcana.wikidot.com/boron-based-life; http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/B/boron-based_life.html; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothetical_types_of_biochemistry; http://scienceforums.com/topic/11059-non-carbon-based-life/

Sith Empire
I think the name should be outlawed. Unless it's the same as the Old Republic, in which case the whole thing should be banished.

04:54, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Start date
When?

Whenever Crimson gets the maps up. He said tomorrow would be when, but it's whenever the maps are up.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 02:38, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

Right, umm... I have feeling like those maps need to be up soon, or this game dies before it starts.

On that, we agree. Monster Pumpkin (talk) 02:05, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Agreed, I don't want to see this game keal over and die like the other ones. Aternix (talk) 02:19, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

We may need to just do a quick map and start the game, then substitute Crimsons when he gets it. EiplecOco (talk) 18:46, June 26, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, so I've made a map, and here it is:



We can use that and start the game? EiplecOco (talk) 18:36, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

The one thing I dislike abot this map is that the Azarath do not own any major star clusters by the looks of this map...oh right, an purple does not seem to fit well in this map...I need to tilt my screen back to see any purple writing...other than that fine map we can use for now-Lx (leave me a message) 18:45, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Crimson uploaded a map here. Perhaps we should use this one. Mscoree (talk) 20:47, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

@Lx

Worry ye not, the size of the galaxy is so huge that every single pinprick of light you see is actually a huge grouping of stars.

Probably.

@Mscoree

Doesn't have any nations.

Let's just use this one, please?

Alright then. Mscoree (talk) 17:47, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, can we start on Tuesday? Because I won't have internet access for the next three days....

I'm afraid that if we start any time before July 28, I'll have a problem posting, and might not be able to play. CourageousLife (talk) 18:40, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

I know my nation is going to be a minor nation, but I have about two star systems and a load of empty space (Praetorians) The majority of my territory is empty void between spiral arms Local (talk)

Guys, again, the galaxy is gigantic. You wouldn't be able to see individual stars, only bright nebulas and star clusters.

Still what with Crim not being here, and Cour unable to post, why don't we just put this in cryo for a month? Same thing we did with BFE relo?

Again, the Promethean Empire is a major nation in Orion Arm terms but to most its a minor power. The Promethean Empire is type II on the Kardashev Scale and if you think its a halo ripoff, these arent the same Prometheans, they are ones I had created for a fictional universe of my own, which I plan to use in the Galaxy at War map game. ~stark

A) Calm down.

B) If it's a type II civ then it's the weakest in the Galaxy, save the humans. All the others control between hundreds and thousands of star systems- some of the mods have millions. Most of those will not be habitable, but they all control more than one star.

C) I posted it on the map. See the little pink one, with the title Promethean Empire?

D) If I put every nation here in control of an entire arm of the galaxy... Anyway, there's no room left in that arm of the galaxy.

Cheers.

Hey. So, I am looking forward to the start of BFE, an epic-sounding series. However, I have one request/complaint. The current location of the Sysvianic Guild isn't really practical considering that we are a Trader's Guild. A couple of place I thought would be practical for a society that evolved as traders would be: Where the Promethan Empire is, or in-between the Centria, Gemini, and the Oriental Hermits. Thanks, Reximus55 (talk) 08:33, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Your civ has FTL travel. It's location doesn't really matter, trading wise... and in any case, I don't really see what's wrong with the current placing.

And if I put you there then it would look messy, because that's where a civ name currently is.

Shadow 9 and the Sith
SInce one of these is a fictional human 'nation' and the other is a Star Wars ripoff, should either be allowed?

FOR THE LAST TIME SHADOW 9 IS NOT A NATION!!!!! ITS A SECRETIVE ORGANIZATION FUNDED BY THE US GOVERNMENT AND FOUNDED 10 YEARS BEFORE THE GAME BEGAN!!!!!!!Capt.stark1972 (talk) 17:27, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to be the buzzkill here, but since the first is not a nation, it does not count and is not allowed. Such an organization can be set up as the game progresses, however.

The second one, I don't know how to react to. We only know its name, nothing else.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 20:01, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

From what I understand, Shadow 9 is part of the US Governement, and orgonization run by the US, like the CIA or NSA. If he wants to dedicate an entire paragraph in his US post to Shadow 9 I see no problem with it, as it is part of his nation. If Shadow 9 is a sort of Alien fighting thing or whatever, and it was founded in response to the roswell insident, it could be a plausible, and the governement might have set it up to examine the wreckage of whatever crashed at roswell, that is the only real explination I can come up with for its existance, and that being said, I would not think it would have much power or autority...at all...especialy if they found nothing...and the US might of kept them running as a precaution but severely underfunded as nothing was found, since aliens do exist in this universe, and only if anybody wants to claim roswell as them, because, seeing alien craft crashing on their soil, no governement will just do nothing, other than that, there is no reason for nonexistant orgonizations to be founded before the game.

tl;dr If any alien nation claims Roswell Incident, then fine, it makes sense that it is founded because no governement would just do nothing while aliens crash on their territory, oh right, and it can't be Capt.Stark1972's alien nation because that would be basicaly cheating, and trying to justify the existance of an otherwise implausible orgonization, other than that, it can't exist.-Lx (leave me a message) 21:26, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

Capt. Stark isn't Shadow 9 then, if Shadow 9 is part of the USA's post, and don't you have to be a nation, not an Organizatio run by another nation... Local (talk)

He is the Prometheans on Future Map Game, and he WILL try to enslave humanity, and say that he has a massive invasion fleet on earth, or something Local (talk)

I'll assume the title of acting head mod and outlaw Shadow 9, since I am the US player.

21:44, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

How old is a nation allowed to be? Local (talk)

I don't remember exactly. I'd say 20 billion for a non-mod nation max.

22:21, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

You mean million? 20 Billion is older than the Universe Local (talk)

Not if you believe Azaranian mythology, which dicates that we are actualy in the third "encoding" or "stage" of the universe, and that stage is 14 billion years old, and the first and second encodings could have lasted for trillions of years. :P That aside, since Capt. Stark is not the US, he has no juristiction on what it can do, the orgonizations it can craete, and so on. That is the role of the US Player, and he can only do that if allowed to...which Scraw, as the US player, said can't happen. So I stand by the outlawing/deletion of Shadow 9.-Lx (leave me a message) 22:32, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

And Capt Stark, just because you can play as a human nation, it does not mean that you need to, for example, I am the Azaranians, however, I never realy got into dual-playing human and alien nations, as one keeps getting neglected, the human one more often than not.-Lx (leave me a message) 22:35, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

OK, I made my page, does it need the 'Battle for Earth' Category, or just 'Battle for Earth: Prime'? Local (talk)

About the age, I think the max should be about six million for mod nations and less than that for others, but the mods can correct me on that based on past history. I plan on avoiding the age of my nation for as long as possible.

No Shadow 9 unless Scraw creates it later on.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 22:52, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

My bad, I meant million in my last post. Derp.

23:09, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

NOT COOL BRO!!!! Shadow 9 is apparently funded by the United States Government but it doesnt operate within the US government's authority. Plus you have no right to block me of my right to access to nation states. Now I want to say a little something behind Shadow 9. Shadow 9 was founded in 1947 in light of the events on Roswell like the guy that posted the one after my post said and it was founded in secrecy, though funded by the United States Government. It operates independently of any national entity. Nobody, not even NATO or the UN knows of tis existance. To them and the public we dont exist. We were never even born. We are Shadow 9. Earth's last line of defense against alien attacks. Originally I planned it to be X-COM but after I read the rules about no stealing shit from games I changed the name to Shadow 9. For now Shadow 9 is inactive because only the CIA knows of its existance and also cuz its underfunded like that guy that posted the earlier thing said. Soooo technically we operate independently now. Also it has Area 51 as its HQ and at least has an orbital station in Titan preparing a small space fleet using what little funding they have. This space fleet is composed mainly of small ships such as corvettes or fighter craft. The base in Titan is hidden under the clouds soo its located in the atmosphere.Capt.stark1972 (talk) 02:11, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

And Local, the Prometheans are violent by nature. More violent than even the humans combined. Dont blame me, blame nature, it made them this way.Capt.stark1972 (talk) 02:11, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Several problems with this: I am looking forward to the Prometheans, though.
 * 1) The U.S. government would never fund any organization operating on home soil outside its jurisdiction.
 * 2) Shadow 9 is an organization, not a nation. Only nations can be played. There is no player for the U.N. or the K.G.B.
 * 3) Mods have every right to do whatever they want within reason. This is within reason and sanctioned by three mods.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 02:40, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Second strike. Add S9 again and be blocked from the game.

02:56, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Jesus Christ, what is with all the nations being played. Can you at least add organizations too cuz they need at least someone to administer them and besides. I already made the S9 page sooo TOOO LATE!!!!!!Capt.stark1972 (talk) 03:09, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Page is the last strike. You may not play in this game.

03:10, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Calm the heck down. Let's figure this out.

Scraw, let's see how he reacts to my message. If he remains defiant, then fine. If not, then we continue.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 03:12, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

I talked with him and he said he would abandon the whole "Shadow 9" thing. As such, I vote we let him continue playing as an Alien nation.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 03:18, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

I said I would abandon that %%^& IF I keep my page and not only that if Shadow 9 is ever founded. I get command of the organization ok. PLEASSSSEEEEE!!!!!!!!!! The Prometheans and Shadow 9 maybe my idea but reminder:Shadow 9 is supposed to be the ultimate Terran Defense Force but its mostly defunct just like the xenonauts from the upcoming game called xenonauts. What I wanted a simple: add an organization to defend Earth and at least get a global funding level to protect humanity. As for the Prometheans, they pretty much want to ^%^^ up the galaxy in an attempt to come with the increasing demand for resources on Prometheus. Prometheus:The Promethean homeplanet is a resource depleted hunk of rock and once fought against the long-extinct martians.

~Stark dude


 * Interesting Name for an Alien Race, a Guardian in Azaranian mythology previously established somewhere in some BFE Game is called Prometheus, the Guardian of Fire, Plasma and Heat. Wonder if we can make some sort of connection there(i am importing that to BFE:Prime).-Lx (leave me a message) 04:08, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

No. Thre will be no Shadow. How would you even play as an organization. If you want to defend Earth, get a nation, get it technology, and use that technology. Unfortunately the only two nations currently capable of that without intervention would be the US and USSR, both of which are take.

04:00, July 6, 2013 (UTC)



@Stark Ok, look, The only reson any secret Orgonization like this can exist is if something like roswell happened and was actualy an alien race. Fine, The Azaranians screwed with humans in their past, giving them the Oraborous, the significance of the number 7, and the swastika(HINDU!!!!!!NOT NAZI!!!!), some things common to many human cultures while Azaranians were studying them in a Xenoevolutionary Reserch Outpost on Galeon-4 or Shortan-4, still havent decided which name is better for Azaranians to call Sol...Galeon or Shortan...in any case, Shadow 9 can only exist if any Alien Race other than your Promethians, becasue that is just excuse making for it to exist, claims to have caused roswell by flying into the sol system.(and no communications got back to their home planet due to Azaranian comm Jammers). Otherwise, there is no reason whatesoever for Any governement to create such an orgonization, If nobody claims Roswell, then we must assume it was not Alien-Related, and so Shadow-9 has no reason for existing. Simple as that. That, and Scraw has to agree because he already called the US, sorry, but first come, first served, and if he wants to have an alien orgonization set up to examine whatever fell in roswell, be my guest, and if he allows you to control that singular part of the US, that is his choice, but you can not simply control his nation's or other nations' pasts simply because you want to. Granted, I dont think you should get banned from this for it, and there has been overeaction by BOTH parties, and I think you all need to calm down, but I also think this should be negotiated. So I propose a comprimise.

@Scraw He realy wants to play as a super secret anti alien force with absolutely zero power whatsoever, So how about this: He can have Shadow9, but on these conditions:

So, does this look fair? Scraw, if you say no, it won't happen one way or another. you have 100% control over the US as its player, and if you say no to Shadow9, that will be the end of it. -Lx (leave me a message) 04:08, July 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) It can only exist if a third party Alien Nation decides to claim roswell, as it is the only raison d'etre I can find, and also have that same nation be possibly responsible for the Battle of Los Angeles as they sent a ship to investigate radio silence. Nobody claims Roswell, No Shadow9. PERIOD!
 * 2) He Can only Post as SHadow 9 AFTER the US has posted, No US post, No Shadow9 post, as Shadow9 must conform to US policy and whatnot because the US will not just fund an orgonization without some modicum of control, otherwise implausible
 * 3) Shadow 9 post must be indicated as such and start in a new paragraph.
 * 4) Shadow9 is realy underfunded, and with no power whatsoever because whatever life forms crashed basicaly got too crushed for anything real, and no advances were salvaged succesfuly from the ship. PERIOD!
 * 5) Scraw, as the US player, has a Veto over anything Shadow9 Does,as it is technicaly a part of the US post he leaves under Captain stark's control. If Scraw decides to strike something out, or change something, he can, and will if he wants to. No Questions, No Discussions, No Complaints, Scraw's word is law. PERIOD!
 * 6) Did I mention that Shadow9 starts with Zero Power Whatsoever, and the ammount of power it has Directly benifits the US governement and is controled by the US in a direct manner? and it is the US governement to do what it wants with technological advances, etc...? DId I mention that ? if not, it is so. PERIOD!
 * 7) No Questions, No Discussion, No Complaints. PERIOD! Scraw is doing you a favor Stark if he says you can do this, it is a privilege, not a right, to be Shadow9, if Scraw agrees, and Privileges, unlke rights, can be taken away if deemed reasonable or necessary. That is up to the Discression of Scraw. He can take away the privilege of posting as a part of the US governement at any time, for any reason. it is a part of his nation you are controling. PERIOD!

Oh right, and I forgot, if it is OK with Everyone, I am going to make the Tunguska even one of those Azaranian Jammer things get hit by a comet/asteroid and then fall to earth eventualy, and to save itself, use energhayan to channel energy away from it and slow its impact, hereby causing the explosion with some dammage to the probe, hereby not giving the US an unfair advantage over the USSR/Russia when it comes to alien crashes and salvagable tech. Smashed up ex-fully functional space ship vs Semi-smashed up probe. Seems fair, right? in any case, neither should have been able to do much other than gather an interest in where it came from, if that is OK with everyone-Lx (leave me a message) 04:21, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

No to S9, OK to Tunguska. I call Stonehenge if I can.

04:27, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Grr...I wanted that to be like a short range transport relay, but whatever, I still have the face/pyramids of mars, close enough, right? you can't have everything.-Lx (leave me a message) 04:32, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Sure. Although I call Easter Island. :D

04:44, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

You must really not know how to compromise do you? At a certain point, you are gonna need a Terran Defense Force unit. No seriously, if nations can't  bring down the goddamn aliens on their own, then you gonna need it. Maybe not S9, maybe not the Xenonauts or X-COM mainly cuz that is stealing &^^$ from games and stuff but you gonna need it at a certain point unless the other aliens fail to intervene.Capt.stark1972 (talk) 10:44, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Anyway, what do we do about mr.star wars ripoff here.Capt.stark1972 (talk) 10:44, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

I call the Mayan Pyramids Local (talk)

Well since the Prometheans destroyed the Martians I call the ruins on MarsCapt.stark1972 (talk) 11:44, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

And right here is the page for the Empirehttp://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Promethean_Empire%28Battle_for_Earth:Prime%29

Capt Stark says that in this, humans are descended from Martians, is this canonical? Also, is he allowed to enslave humanity with the intention of exterminating it? Local (talk)

Can we kick him, he won't listen to reason, and still wants to enslave humanity Local (talk)

Alright, I'm taking the place of de facto head mod here unless/until Crimson comes back. Let's figure this out: Address any other problems to me, and if you don't like this, then we have to figure something else out.
 * 1) No Martians. The only native sapient species of the Sol system are the Humans, and so it will stay.
 * 2) Since calling things will clearly be a problem, no Human structures can be alien in origin. The only thing I will allow right now are the Azaranian relays, since we could assume that they were built before Humans existed.
 * 3) Alien races can enslave Humanity, but you cannot destroy the Human race, as it says in the rules.
 * 4) I don't know what to do about the Sith. We only know the name, so we don't know how much of a rip off it is.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 13:47, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Look, he can have the intention to enslave humanity, that is not a problem. He can have the intention to wipe them off the face of the Universe, and he can try, he can try to bombard the earth, but be sure that other races won't stand for it or sit by and let that happen...and there will be concequences. He can say that he wants to kill them, doesn't mean he will succeed or even try to in-game. Actions are illegal, threats are not, and as long as we don't seperate ourselves from the game's reality and say he wont actualy do that, it could make for some interesting situations. Everybody please calm down, Capt.Stark is a newcommer. Dont expect him to understand why everything is the way it is, and mostly its because of experience with other BFE games where we did allow blowing up the world. They died, miserable and painful deaths. Don't expect him to know these experiences, cut him a little slack, he's new and explain things instead of rushing to the ban. Instead of saying we don't do things, try and explain why we dont to things...perhaps it will help him understand better. We have good reasons for doing things, perhaps he just can't see them.

Martians could have existed actualy, but they would have existed millions of years ago, and would not have survived earth with its 3x gravity. Mars was able to sustain life, but it was dead for longer than the prometheans were supposed to have existed...sooo...ya...implausible for that to happen.

but in all seriousness, just because a planet can develop life, does not mean it will develop intelligent life. Venus, Mars, and Earth could have all boasted life in the past, Earth still does, but the chance that they all developed inteligent life is infintesimal at best.-Lx (leave me a message) 15:53, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Anyway... so I'll add the Promethans to the map, can we start with it? When Crim comes back he can make a new one, but...

As for the TDF idea, I must say, Stark, what kind of moron would create an anti-alien force before aliens were discovered? And since S9 is supposedly a US organization... isn't it Scraw's choice whether it can exist or not?

Still don't like how Azaranian territory is not dense in stars...mostly empty space compared to Regen or Dravimos or Firstborn or Mech...actualy, looks like empty space compared to pretty much everyone...-Lx (leave me a message) 19:32, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Local Mafia Boss hi Are the sith empire like the sith in Star Wars? 8:25

Warman555 yes must the alien part no force just

Fairly obvious copyright infringement Local (talk)

Hell in a freezer, guys, don't you get this? There are billions upon trillions of stars in the galaxy. See a patch of empty space? That's not empty, it just has a few hundred thousand stars instead of a million.

I'm not sure what else the sith could be.

Okay, the Sith can stay, but only if they are completly overhauled into something new.

Still no Martians.

I've just about given up on Crimson. We've waited weeks for him to make these maps and we've messaged him quite a few times. Sooner or later we'll have to start without him. I just don't like the basic maps that we have. He had a really intricate idea that I think would work out great, but now it's lost to us.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 19:44, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Courageouslife can't make it for a while either Mafia (talk)

SOMEBODY START THE ^%$ING GAME ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shut up.

Also, I swear we agreed to start in September Mafia (talk)

Well the game is gonna die if it doesnt start soon. Plus I am losing pacience. Also which of the map games did you get the Prometheus reference from earlier.

Future.

Yeah about that, not THAT Prometheus, the one mentioned in BFE cuz I remember some guy mentioning a refererence to Prometheus.

~Stark

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

21:24, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

I remember that somebody said that an Azanarian guardian was known as Prometheus, the Guardian of Fire, Plasma and Heat and the Promethean homeworld is called Prometheus soo that guy thinks there is a connection between them.


 * No, I was thinking that maybe we could make a connection between them, since Prometheus was the name of a guardian according to Azarathaka and Nassaria. I was thinking we could make a connection between them...but not necessarily.-Lx (leave me a message) 23:09, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Ok point takenCapt.stark1972 (talk) 00:02, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

The earliest possible date I can start would be July 27. CourageousLife (talk) 02:02, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Damn. I have computer access throughout July but I might not in August.

Update and Apology
I'm first going to apologize for my lateness on any sort of communication and further apologies. While I am not in a particularly enjoyable situation, I have been very remote lately. This hasn't really been fair to anyone, least of all the people waiting for my map. I haven't been on this site, or on the internet as a whole, lately as you are all aware. This is due to a number of reasons that continue to pile up. I'll list the first reason as work. I finally got a job. Finally. I've been strapped for cash since my last relationship. This job has been eating a lot of my time up.

Secondly, I'm preparing for a new semester. I'm in a program where you can get two years of college done for five years of high school. I'm taking seventeen credit hours in the fall semester. So I'm doing what I can to get my mind on gear for this shit, and that means cutting out things that can distract me. No offense, guys. I'm not completely cutting this wiki out because it actually encourages me to research things.

My latest bout of straight inactivity has been brought on by a pain in my wrist. Not sure what caused it, I'm going to the doctor tomorrow to see what it is, but it hurts like a bitch to type with my right hand or really do anything with it. I'm typing this with a brace, so I should be able to post more things as I get used to it.

As you can see, it's one thing after another. Once I can get used to my wrist brace or get the damn wrist fixed I can post more. Regarding the game, I'm going to let you guys decide on when to start it. Cryo until August or September is fine with me, but if you guys really want it now, I can try to get a map out. I did, however, get a map going on a different page earlier. Not sure if anyone's seen it. It's a gridded galaxy map.

I'll get back to you guys. Hang in there and I'm sorry for the delay. CrimsonAssassin- "You can't handle this egg roll" 15:33, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

We should just not start until September, evryone will be back then (I think) Mafia (talk)

Also, Capt. Stark has Mind Control, and I don't think that should be allowed for obvious reasons Mafia (talk)

Yeah, that's gotta be either nerfed or removed. CrimsonAssassin- "You can't handle this egg roll" 17:39, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Oh by the way, about the mind control there are 3 things: Stark
 * 1) Mind control is not total, its only the manipulation of thought
 * 2) Its only taking effects for a few hours(game time)
 * 3) The technology is experimental soooo, we dont know if it works.

DAMMIT, STARK, SIGN. YOUR. EFFING. POSTS!!

But apart from that, I actually agree with stark here. Let him have mind control; I have control over all forms of matter, Lx has the ability to regenerate...

And I have the ability to mutate sentient organisms into more Xeraji. So there.

Completly acceptable, Crimson. We'll be ready in September. Until then, I recommend that each player work on the story and culture of their nation as best a possible.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 00:23, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

I'm fine with it if he doesn't go overboard. CrimsonAssassin- "You can't handle this egg roll" 02:43, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

How much of the 'relations' section of Stark (ratc's) page is canon? He appears to have decided what his relations with others is, like he said we were at war Mafia (talk) 07:40, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

Cold war me arse. I'm wiping that guy off the galaxy! The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 21:17, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

It depends on if other people agree to his relations section. He probably shouldn't have posted that without asking other people, but it's easy enough to just tell him, "Hey, we're not at war right now" or "Hey, our races aren't friends." CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 22:14, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

Finally
September 1 is tomorrow, so I've got a day of editing the map page and sending out reminders to would-be players. Sorry for the delay again, but hey, it's finally September. Time for aliens. A couple things: On that note, let's have a good map game and a happy launch week. CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 22:14, August 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Expect launch to be at some point this week. Tentative launch day is Wednesday, but don't count on it. It could be earlier or later.
 * 2) I'll be checking people's pages and posting the 'a-okay' soon enough
 * 3) Check the rules page. Space is a different playing field than a planet, so a 2-D map with borders isn't going to cut it.
 * 4) If this turns into a clusterfuck like NotLAH did, I'm shutting this game down without a second thought.

OK. I hope we haven't lost too much steam.

                "Fear the power    of the Dark Side of the Force."  22:34, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe we should post that Scrawland Scale on the page, and use it to classify the nations? The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 17:19, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

The Scrawland Scale is one the Levels of Power or whatever that page is called  I think all we need now is an accurate map with all the nations on it, then we should be fine.

I don't think this will dissolve like NotLAH. And besides, if it starts to, then the mods will fix that.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 18:44, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Map Games fail for three reasons, and the various installments of the BFE series have failed in every one. The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 17:14, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

When does the Game start
It has suffered too many delays so far, any more and this is dead. Start the damn game, Crim. The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 17:49, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

Yah, START THE GAME ALREADY!Ratc3333 Here, Prepare for Combat (talk) 21:15, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

Initiate the Proceedings
Alright, this is getting out of hand. This game cannot wait much longer, for the good of both itself and the timeline. Heck, we've probably lost half our players already. As such, if this game does not start soon, I may launch a coup, so to speak, to get things rolling (not really, but, you know, drama).

My two main concerns of the game not starting is both all that effort would go to waste, and also that the timeline could not possibly go on past 1965. Battle for Earth would be frozen in time until one of its games manages to actually work.

Let's try to make it this one.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 22:45, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

I'm with you.

                "Fear the power    of the Dark Side of the Force."  22:47, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

I've been working on this, but keep in mind that I'm pretty occupied. I need to work on the algorithms and get the map page running. Please bear with me CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 00:20, September 6, 2013 (UTC)

With all due respect Crim...

CHRIST ON A POGO STICK!

[Calmer] Let's just start with my map, and when you're done with yours, we can sub it in! BTW Scraw... Your sig has reverted to the massively long one.

Hi guys! sorry I know I shouldn't post this here, but I'm a newbie on this game's mechanincs, so what I would like to know is: Can I represent Argentina on this game?

Vincent Mackay (talk) 01:36, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

Shit, my sig is scrawed up again.

~ Scraw                <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  01:36, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

To Vincent. Absolutly. You are welcome to play as Argentina, and an alien nation of your own creation.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 01:39, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Vincent! Of course you can post here! And since Argentina is open, represent that too! Don't be afraid to post on talkpages.

@Scraw: I told you so!

Alas! BFESB is dead.

(someone contradict me, PLEASE?) The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 19:04, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

It was meant to start yesterday Mafia (talk)

The map is up. Just post your territories on the galaxy map and make your post on the game. CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 21:09, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

Where's the galaxy map..?

Nvm, I found it. The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 21:37, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

Alas
Crim, if you don't start this game by Sunday... The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 22:46, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

He said that he is going to put the first turn up today.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 22:48, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

Well at this point it doesn't look too fucking likely, hmm?

He said tonight, not this morning. Wait for a few more hours, then resume your legitimate anger.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 22:55, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. Night where I am. The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 22:56, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

It has begun. Mscoree (talk) 23:32, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

Hallelujah! Tis the promised land! The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 23:41, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

United Nations
This is the part of the talk page where all Human nations and potentially Alien nations as well will discuss events or proposals that affect the status of planet Earth/Terra.

Permanent Members:
 * Flag of the Soviet Union (1955-1980).svg of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) - Monster Pumpkin (talk)
 * Flag of the United States.svg United States of America (USA) - <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">           [[Image:Regen Flag.png|25px|link=User:Scrawland Scribblescratch]]    <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  20:42, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Flag of the United Kingdom.svg United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (UK) -
 * Flag of France.svg French Fifth Republic (France) - CourageousLife (talk)
 * Flag of the Republic of China.svg Republic of China (ROC) - Monster Pumpkin (talk) (As a mod)

Communist Chinese Call to the U.N.
This meeting was called by the People's Republic of China. We, as the Security Council, await what you have to say. MP

Note: The PRC was not in the UN in 1965 (according to my knowledge). Only the RoC had a spot on the UNSC until 1971. Thanks, Rex.

I know that, that is why the ROC is listed as such. I believe that the PRC was in the U.N., just not recognized as China except by fellow Communist nations. Monster Pumpkin (talk) 20:40, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

Australia is present at the meeting called by the PRC. What do you want? Mafia (talk) 21:06, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

We have a problem:several days ago our observatories detected several unidentified objects heading for Earth. These objects are heading for the planet at relativistic speeds. We will now show images from our obeservatories of the unknown objects.Ratc3333 Here, Prepare for Combat (talk) 22:12, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

We have detected unknown signals from space, as well as some gravitational anomalies. Show us your images, and we will share our data with you. Monster Pumpkin (talk) 22:29, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

You want the images, well here is an image of one the mysterious objects and we will send in more images when possible.Ratc3333 Here, Prepare for Combat (talk) 22:50, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

Guys guys guys stahp. Why is China leading this meeting? Did China even the space capability?

<span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  22:53, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

China is leading this meeting because they called for it. I'm sure some observations of space are not outside China's capabilities at this time.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 23:06, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

Completely unrelated, but France is currently the French Fifth Republic, not fourth. It has now been fixed. Mscoree (talk) 01:00, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

This whole meeting is pointless... Mafia (talk) 12:15, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, GUYS, Rex is totally right, the PRC was NOT part of the UN at this point. Rat, look up your history. In the mean time, why don't we say the meeting was called by the RoC? The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 19:00, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Meeting of Alien races
We, the Centrians, demand an immediate cessation of hostilities within the System of Mostrev (Sol) and warn that any attempt to contact or destroy the peoples of this planet while these talks are in progress will be interpreted as a personal attack against us, and met with full and equal force; for every human killed, 1,000,000 of your citizens will be killed; for every Centrian, 1,000,000,000.

The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 21:45, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

The Promethean Empire believes that your race has no right to intervene in battles occuring in the Sol System. Your kin will be exterminated should any sort of lethal force be used against us or anyone else. Ratc3333 Here, Prepare for Combat (talk) 21:52, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Well A) We already did, and

B) HAHAHAHAHA The humans are more of a threat to us than you!

Ok, not quite. But you're like Lower-2 on the Scrawland scale. I'm a Mid-Upper-3. I could hit you for six with one fleet. Now, if you allied with Praetorians, the Jaledom, the Xlax, and a couple of others, then you'd pose a noticable threat.

Not MUCH of one though. For that, you'd need to ally with a Type-3 or Type-4.

The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 21:55, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Think about this........we are searching for your sigma fields and destroying them. If that wasnt bad enough, we are going to start a nuclear war on Earth thanks to our new Mind Control technology if you do not leave the system. BWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ratc3333 Here, Prepare for Combat (talk) 22:03, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Umm Sigma fields are not 'ships' they are weapons akin to antimatter-whiteholes. Basically attacking them just makes them larger and more dangerous. And for every single person killed by those nukes, we will destroy one of your planets. When we run out of planets, we'll start destroying your fleets. We might save a couple of you for lab experimentation though.

The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 22:06, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Well then, kiss your homeworld goodbye. BWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ratc3333 Here, Prepare for Combat (talk) 22:10, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Rat, You're FUNNY. One of my Sigma Fleets could destroy your entire military. And I have at least 1 guarding each of my worlds. And something like 10 guarding Corufrey. So you're alone, with no allies, taking on a power that is exponentially more powerful than you...

The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 22:14, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Corufrey. I see what you did there.

<span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#1C39BB 45%,#120A8F 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#CCCCFF 45%,#000000 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px">               <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#000000), to(#FFFFFF)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #000000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF"> <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier">"Fear the power   <font color="#FF033E" face="Courier" title="Bvlog"> of the Dark Side of the Force."  22:16, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, Coruscant and Gallifrey. That's been there since Reloaded, lol. The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 22:18, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Of course I know what it means! Just didn't know that you had it all this time.

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=D Well, I'm a traditionalist.

So, that's one of the minor nations dealt with. Now to take care of the Oct-Warman Federation. That WILL be fun. The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 22:23, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to go super hardass mod here for a second, but the war would not be over that easily. Both in the interest of the game and for canon, this war should go on a bit longer.

Now for the logistics: Monster Pumpkin (talk) 23:26, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) The Prometheans would be defeated in Sol, no doubt. The Centrian defenses there are too strong. However, the strong offensive nature of the Promethean fleets, if timed right, would push a bit into Centrian space. Not enough to reach the homeworld, but at least a few systems inside. Since the Promethean commanders probably know that any offensive actions in the Sol system would mean war, they would time their actions accordingly.
 * 2) The two nations are mostly equal in terms of destructive weapons, with the Centrians holding the upper hand slightly. Numerical superiority is on the Centrian side. Not immediatly, but maybe in a few months would the Centrians begin invading Promethean space, and from there, the war should take a few years. At this level of technology, no planetside war will be over in months.
 * 3) No one would ever, unless in a do-or-die scenario, destroy a planet. The mineral resources would be lost, an "unsinkable aircraft carrier" would never be able to be built, and it would tick off everyone in the Galaxy.
 * 4) While the overall edge is in Promethean hands for the time being, shortly it will switch, and by that time so many nations will be involved that all hell will break loose.

Nothing's happened but threats. Except for fighting in Sol. There we've cleared out both sides, but you're missing 2 things.

A) The Centrians are Type 3 nations and actually significantly more powerful than the type 2 Promethans. While the initiative is currently in Promethan hands, it won't take years to change hands, especially since...

B) The Centrians are merely interveneing in the war; in the event of a Promethan attack on us the Jaledom, Praetorians, and Xlax would help us.

So far we've just scared Rat, not actually done anything. But we could. The thing about Sigma Fleet was obviously an exaggeration, but our fleets are far superior to theirs.

The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 00:01, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

By the way, should we start a new turn? The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 00:03, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

No, it will take months for you to force the Prometheans out of your land and take the fight to them. It will take years for you to take over most of their territory, simply because of how entrenched planetary defenses are.

No, no new turn until I post as the Soviets (within 30 minutes)

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 00:09, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

MP, you're basing your argument completely on the theory that the governing body (or bodies) of the Prometheans are sane. Which they are not. Ratc has threated to send his entire mlitary at the Centrians all at once, which essentially enables the Centrians to destroy them all at once with relatively unnoticeable casualties, leaving the Promethean home territory completely undefended. Another tactic the Centrians could use, in any case, is divide and conquer. That is, coax the Prometheans into sending a large number of forces agains the Prometheans, while this is really a diversion for the bulk of the Centrian forces to reach the Promethean home turf, using their sheer numbers to their advantage. Given, this scenario could lead to heavy Centrian casualties, but they would not have been in vain and would ensure Centrian victory everywhere.

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No one could be that foolish, even the Nazis, who the Prometheans are based on, were that stupid. But in the event that they are, then something like that could happen.

Either way, the war will expand before the year is out, so things will change.

Monster Pumpkin (talk) 00:33, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Ratc. Stop doing those things. Don't make me ban you. CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 00:55, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) I told you not to overuse mind control. Using mind control to cause nuclear war is the defenition of overusing it. Either find a way to nerf the power or the power goes.
 * 2) You're moving along too quickly. Don't be in a rush to contact the humans.
 * 3) Along the lines of nuclear war, that is known as causing mass destruction to Earth, something I will not allow to occur... too quickly.
 * 4) You're trolling other people and otherwise being a pain.

A new turn was recently made a few hours ago. At least give it twenty-four hours. Mscoree (talk) 02:03, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Wait, what happened? I went to bed, woke up and Guns had killed me. Why? I didn't actually do anything. I just infiltrated Prometheans a little, and talked to some Humans that I got from the desert. (Tourists in Outback) so... why did Guns destroy my fleet? Mafia (talk) 05:34, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Nvm, just read his turn now, rather than the comment in bold he put. OK then. Mafia (talk) 05:58, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

No, local, just the forces of the Promethans and the Jaledom- and then only in the Solar System. S'all good otherwise.

MP, Rat said that he would do as much. And while it might take a turn to tip his hand, his fleets would have been wiped out upon the initial attack on my territory. The Centrians are telepathic- practically no logistics issues. And our race has been united and spacefaring for 2 million years; his for just 20,000. We're WAY more numerous, and more advanced.

That said, I'm not planning to stop this war. Just ensure that no one touched the Earth. I'm not a mod, I can't blank posts. But I can steamroll over Rat. No counterattacks... yet. But our dead from his attacks will be avenged!

The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 21:15, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

OK, I swear someone said somewhere that Planetside battles take more than a turn. Also, why did he attack the Centrians? I'm not allied with them. Anyway, I assume I will win this, superior tech etc. I have tech from a really advanced race that died, so I should win. Is that correct? Mafia (talk) 18:19, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

He didn't attack me. I attacked him, and the Jaledom's troops, in order to protect the humans from them. Screw the Alien tech, you have a Type-3 Civ on your side- the Centrians. All we wnated to do was the keep the fighting outside the Solar System. They attacked us after that, but despite the fact that they had the advantage we are far, far more powerful than them. Some help would be appreciated, though, the sooner we take them out the better.

The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 18:59, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

I just meant why did he attack you as a diversion? It would not distract me at all... Mafia (talk) 19:17, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Well, actually, as a diversion as in you'd think that he was attacking me when in fact he was preparing to attack you. And, of course, until I destroyed his fleets, I couldn't interevene on your side.

The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 21:07, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Members Sign-In

 * US -
 * UK -
 * France -
 * West Germany -
 * Canada -
 * Italy -
 * Portugal -
 * Greece -
 * Turkey -
 * Noway -
 * Denmark -
 * Iceland -
 * Netherlands -
 * Luxembourg -

Proposals
====  The United Kingdom of Great Britain propses the following measure:
 * 1) 001 - Expansion and Redesign ====

1. The following nations will be added to NATO: 2. NATO will be renamed "Federation of Republicanism and Civil Egalitarianism"Freedom of Republican and CoEarth's Treaty Alliance for Liberty, Democracy, and Interdependence", or FORCETreaty Alliance of Liberty and
 * Argentina
 * Brazil
 * South Africa
 * Australia
 * New Zealand
 * Saudi Arabia
 * Japan
 * South Korea

Discussion
Talk here, and let is sit around for ca. 24 hrs before we begin to take a vote.

Why the... rather strange new name?? 'Republican', 'CoEarth', and wouldn't it be FORCE-TALD? The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 21:20, September 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Argentina would be really pleased to be accepted into the UN, as for the Naming issue we have not particular interest in one or another name (though FORCET sounds pretty cool) now..... Am I allowed to vote or I just sit around and wait? Vincent Mackay (talk) 22:18, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Votes
Aye:

Nay:

Result:

Rex, you smoking something? Murika runs NATO and shizzleizzles.

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Wow. Wow. Just wow. That must be the most screwed up reason there is for deleting a post.

I LIKE IT!

The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 00:10, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Even though the United States runs NATO, I think other nations should be allowed to call meetings, and make the page itself. Crossing everything out is a bit unnecessary. Mscoree (talk) 14:26, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, buit let's be honest, this was totally implausible anyway. The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 18:56, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, but we're going to need a NATO meeting area at some point anyway. Mscoree (talk) 19:01, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Scraw, do your thing. Also, you're a horrible diplomat, Scraw.

The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 19:20, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Guns plz. I am a Master diplomat.

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Legit Non-High NATO Meetings
This is the meeting place for non-high and sane NATO members who will attempt to stay within the realm of plausibility.

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Except Scraw, who, as usual, appears to be on either meth or ganja. Or, possibly, both.

'Playtime's Over!'
Oct has gone off the chain, except not in the Nicholas Angel super-cool here-come-the-fuzz way.

Extra Credit: What movie is this from?

The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 23:33, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

What are you talking about? Mscoree (talk) 00:54, September 20, 2013 (UTC)

Oct has gone insane. But not in the cool way where he makes the game better.

Happy? That's the boring way of saying it. My original one referenced Hot Fuzz. How haven't you seen that movie?

The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 19:13, September 20, 2013 (UTC)

First Contact
Let's liven up the game- who gets first contact?

The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 19:26, September 20, 2013 (UTC)