While I'm decently sure that Finland would've lost the winter war without support, what do you reckon would've occured if the French-British plan to aid the Finns succeded? Just curious.
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Not as big a deal as you think it is. Russia on the Offensive, especially at this time, would have been pretty easy to deal with. They're outside their winter, they don't have the infrastructure to transport troops across Europe- honestly, Germany was as far as they were going to get. In the end, throwing men into the enemy guns till they run out of bullets ain't a smart idea.
Plus, USSR + Nazi Germany + Fascist Italy + Imperialist Japan?
Sounds strong, right? Except that little Axis of Evil would have been pissing themselves, cause once you have all the enemies of democracy lined up in a row...
The US IS going in, no matter what.
Also, infighting. Apart from Germany and Italy, all those powers distrusted each other. In the case of Germany and Russia, they flat out hated each other. That alliance ends the second one of them lets their guard down a bit too much.
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Soviets wouldn't join the Axis. They hated Germany with a passion, and it was mutual. All I could see was the Soviets just hating the West more.
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So the Soviets just fight with the axis for a bit cause they are pissed at the allies. But yeah, the alliance would be shaky. Maybe the two would work together to beat the allies, then go at. Soviets would switch sides.
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Ehh. As Sean, said, unlikely.
In any case, the two together COULDN'T beat the Allies. Wasn't till the 50s that the Sovs gained real power projection beyond their borders, and even that was mainly caused by WWII.
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good point, but it is notable that the Nazis and Soviets did sign a non-agreession pact, so it is not unreasonable to assume they would work together against the Allies. But again, any such alliance would be shaky at best. The Soviets would switch sides when it looked like the Allies would win. I once read that the two almost did become Allies, but Hitler acted like Hitler. So if the Allies had intervented, the Soviets would have joined the Axis SOLELY to fight the Allies. But of course, the mistrust between the Axis would have been their undoing.
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No, the Soviets agreed to attack Poland with Germany. Nothing about an alliance. The NAP was mainly because they distrusted each other a lot, allying to fight the Allies would have a very small chance.
And, like Guns said, the Soviets really weren't that major. They defeated Germany mainly because of the winter. The Germans had already occupied a lot of Eastern Europe.
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They defeated Germany because the German tanks were outclassed by Soviet ones, and the Soviets mass produced these. The war only helped to accelerate the Soviet industrial development, allowing it to outproduce and outfight the Germans.
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No, Impo. The Tanks that the Germans COULD mass produce were outclassed by the Sovs. But the Tigers and the Panthers were AMAZING tanks. They outclassed even the T-34 monsters that the Soviets threw forward. But the Germans had too few of them.
Plus, the German training was WAYYYYY better.
As a wise man once said, it's not the size that counts- it's whether you know how to use it.
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if it had just been the Germans and Soviets, they would have fought one another to a standstill in Poland.
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Standstill? Nah. Russians had numbers and raw resources. Germany spent most of WWII slowly running out of oil to power their tanks with.
The Soviets would, slowly, have pushed the Germans back. Poland's gone, ditto around a third of what we called East Germany.
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