Alternative History:Request for user rights

This page is for requests to join the TSPTF. Currently there is no set limit to the number of Constables. There can only be one administrator for every 1000 articles (Lieutenants and Brass combined). Calls for new administrators will be made each time a new one is needed or a current administrator has retired.

Voting will last two weeks from the date of nomination, ending at 0:00 UTC of the 14th day, at which time, if the vote is affirmative, the nominee will be granted the requested user rights.

Only registered users with 200 or more edits and at least two months on this wiki will be allowed to vote in the user nominations or to nominate candidates.

Constable Request

Rules

• You may nominate another editor so long as they accept the nomination first.
• You cannot nominate yourself.
• Self-votes will not be counted in the vote totals.
• Nominated user must explain why he wants to be a Constable.

To view past requests, see the archive.

Requirements

There are some basic things to consider when nominating a fellow editor to be a constable.

• They have an account under a username.
• They have actively contributed for at least six months to the wiki.
• They have demonstrated a need for the ability through extensive anti-vandalism work.
• Registered users' votes must have a two-thirds super majority for the request to be accepted.
• TSPTF members’ votes must have a two-thirds super majority for the request to be accepted. (Separated from user votes)
• You must also include the date in your nomination.
• They must also not have had a nomination fail or been blocked in the last six months.

Current Nominations

Please copy and past this format for your own nomination.

===[[Name of Editor]]===

*'''Supporters'''

*'''Objectors'''

*'''Discussion'''

Note: Please put new nominations at the bottom.

Lieutenant Request

Rules

• You may nominate another editor so long as they accept the nomination.
• You cannot nominate yourself.
• Self-votes will not be counted in the vote totals.
• Nominated user must explain why he wants to be a Lieutenant.

To view past requests, see the archive.

Requirements

• They have an account under a username.
• They have actively contributed for at least six months to the wiki.
• They either are of adult age (18 years or older) or have one and a half years' worth of solid contribution to the site.
• They have demonstrated they are willing to take on additional responsibilities to make the community better.
• They have had at least some major article contributions.
• They have dealings with other users on a regular basis in a fair, restrained and constructive manner.
• They have demonstrated an understanding of the community's methods of operation.
• Registered users' votes must have a two-thirds super majority for the request to be accepted.
• TSPTF members’ votes must have a two-thirds super majority for the request to be accepted. (Separated from user votes)
• You must also include the date in your nomination.
• They must also have not had a nomination fail in the last six months.

Current Nominations

Please copy and past this format for your own nomination.

===[[Name of Editor]]===

*'''Supporters'''

*'''Objectors'''

*'''Discussion'''

Note: Please put new nominations at the bottom.

Brass Requests

Rules

• Brass may be nominated here purely by another Lieutenant or Brass. (Please ensure they accept the nomination first)
• You cannot nominate yourself.
• Self-votes will not be counted in the vote totals.
• Nominated user must explain why he or she wants to be part of the Brass.

To view past requests, see the archive.

Requirements

There are some basic things to consider when nominating a Lieutenant for promotion.

• They are a Lieutenant.
• They have actively contributed for at least a year to the wiki.
• They have actively taken on additional responsibilities to make the encyclopedia better.
• They have dealings with other users on a regular basis in a fair, restrained and constructive manner.
• They have a deep understanding of the community's methods of operation.
• Registered users' votes must have a three-fourths super majority for brass status to be accepted (Only users who have been registered for over a month — from the day the nomination is put forth — are counted).
• TSPTF members’ votes must have a three-fourths super majority for nomination to be accepted.
• You must also include the date in your nomination.
• They must also not have had a nomination fail in the last six months.

Current Nominations

Please copy and past this format for your own nomination.

===[[Name of Editor]]===

*'''Supporters'''

*'''Objectors'''

*'''Discussion'''

Note: Please put new nominations at the bottom.

Impeachment

It is entirely possible that a member of the TSTPF may neglect his duties and/or abuse their power. If this happens they must have their user rights removed. To keep it fair, the following procedure has been adopted.

Rules

• User who feels a TSPTF member should be impeached from his position, must first contact the TSPTF on their talk page with their complaint and attempt to work out the issue with them.
• If user refuses to accept any compromise from the TSTPF he may then bring up the TSPTF member for impeachment, with support of at least one TSTPF member.
• Impeaching user must explain why he thinks the TSPTF member should have his user rights removed.
• Registered users' votes must have two-third super majority to impeach a TSPTF member (Only users who have been registered for over a month — from the day the nomination is put forth — are counted).
• TSPTF members’ votes must have a two-third super majority to impeach a TSPTF member.

To view past impeachments, see the archive.

Reasons

There are only a few recognized reasons why a TSPTF member should have his user rights removed:

• They are not actively participating as a member of the TSPTF.
• They have not been carrying out the responsibilities they volunteered for.
• They have have not been fair, restrained and/or constructive in their dealings with other editors.
• They consistently refuse to follow the conventions and guidelines of this community.

One of these reasons alone is probably not enough to impeach a TSPTF member. Consider that before demanding an impeachment.

Current Impeachments

===[[Name of TSPTF Member]]===

*'''Supporters'''

*'''Objectors'''

*'''Discussion'''

Vivaporius

Honestly this has gone too far. He starts with this "Dirigism" bullshit which advocates pedo shit, (danger to society in general), and the only reason he survived the last impeachment was the whole Ace shit. He regularly makes vulgar alien porographic stories, and that is simply toxic for wiki culture. I propose an impeachment, not any step further.

Keep in mind the last attempt at impeachment was only blocked due to fear of a repeat of the Upvote situation. This isn't a matter of debate this time, we have a serious societal threat on this wiki armed with mod powers. Therefore there is ground to impeachment.

Honestly enough is enough. Just like weinstein should not be enabled, we cannot enable viva further. Let us unite to impeach him. This is a matter of morals an principals.

Edit: I will also add that Viva hasn't actually done any work in a while, so there is little point of supporting him in this process. He literally needs to be impeached.

To those saying "muh doenst have any powers"

thats not the point, we dont need a pedophilia apologist with the stars.

Warrioroffreedom123

• Supporters
  • Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess 22:39, August 8, 2019 (UTC)
  • Colgan this isn't necessarily about Viva's political beliefs (homophobia, et al.), in fact I ignore that and just yesterday I had a civil conversation with Viva about his beliefs. It's just that as a mod he has shown to be unfit; since his last impeachment he has done zero moderator work that would constitute positive work, and in the same time frame (and especially before that) has had many incidents that shown he is actually doing negative actions. As a moderator he should be held to a higher standard than that. It's nothing personal, it's just self evident that he is not acting as a moderator, is not contributing as a moderator, and is not being beneficial as a moderator. Neesym (talk) 23:04, August 8, 2019 (UTC)
  • I heard he doesn't like pandas, nor conservation efforts >:( General534 (talk) 01:21, August 9, 2019 (UTC)
  • In an intense conversation with Vand and others, Vand told me in his own words that Viva posted a porn drawing (of one of his species), violating both the rules of Discord and Fandom, that alone is grounds for impeachment for a mod. -KK
  • Vandenhoek (talk) 03:59, August 9, 2019 (UTC)
  • Curmudgeonly yours - Crim 05:35, August 9, 2019 (UTC)
  • Sure be toxic, sure be intolerant, sure be creepy; but don’t be surprised when you receive backlash. – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
  • Stepintime
• Objectors
  • This entire fiasco is entirely out of personal spite and hatred for Viva. Though Viva has views I don't agree with, especially on homosexuality, I have never seen him actually use hate speech against gays. I’ll vouch for viva that he in fact did not post gay porn in althistory, and is was in fact Ethan, who posted gay porn in an entirely different server, therefore that argument is entirely null and void and cannot be used seriously as an argument against Viva. Furthermore it is very clear and common knowledge that Viva’s projects do not reflect his actual political views and he is definitely not a pedophile. I’ll state again that this entire fiasco is bullshit and is fueled by personal hatred for Viva. This isn’t justice, this is revenge. Colgan dog 13:57, August 9, 2019 (UTC)

Discussion

Warrior, you have to discuss the issue with the TSPTF first and if you cannot resolve the issue with them, then you may request an impeachment.

User who feels a TSPTF member should be impeached from his position, must first contact the TSPTF on their talk page with their complaint and attempt to work out the issue with them.

Follow the rules please, and you will have your impeachment if a solution cannot be found by the moderators. Thank you. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 20:28, August 8, 2019 (UTC)

yeah....no. The grads are letting this process and you crossing it out is due to a conflict of interest. You may need to try harder to escape your inevitable downfall and accountability.

warrior

You're free to continue with your request for an impeachment, but you have to go through the process as laid out by the rules. Conflict or not, the rules are what they are. You can't jump ahead of the process because you have a personal gripe with one of the administrators. I don't make the rules, I just follow them. And I ask you to do the same. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 20:44, August 8, 2019 (UTC)

I’m pretty sure granting oct, a self proclaimed troll mod powers and at one point vandalizing principia isn’t following the rules. Warrior

Viva cannot cross out his own impeachment proceedings, this is a conflict of interest.

Scrawland Scribblescratch 20:50, August 8, 2019 (UTC)

I would suggest that the rules be adhered too, but if you see it that way, I won't complain. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 20:53, August 8, 2019 (UTC)

Antiquated rules or no, it is still a conflict of interest.             Deadly State of Mind Leader of the Knights of Scraw.  20:57, August 8, 2019 (UTC)

As I already stated, I won't contest the decision by Scraw. We'll just let this play out. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 21:03, August 8, 2019 (UTC)

It's no secret that I've not been following the allegation nor am I aware of what took place over Discord. However, the rules ought to be followed in any proceeding, and quite simply: they were not. Viva should not have crossed out the impeachment on his own, but the rest of the TSPTF (and indeed, those in the user base who would rather uphold the rule of law rather than the rule of masses) ought to ensure that impeachments follow proper protocol. I will not be voting in this matter unless this farcical effort to circumvent the rules is allowed to take place, in which case I will vote against impeachment to uphold our wiki-wide rules. Reximus | Talk to Me!?-ENTITY--?​<font color=?-ENTITY--?​<font color=?-ENTITY--?​​ 21:26, August 8, 2019 (UTC)

Bottom line is Viva has to go. He has proven time and again to be a toxic presence on the wiki. I have said before that he gets in argumentative moods for the sake of being argumentative. He antagonizes people into these arguments and draws them out longer than necessary, which is the very definition of a troll. This behavior has been pointed out time and again, his powers on discord have been neutered, and he still has not learned his lesson. It is clear that if he has not changed already, it's unlikely that he ever will. In other terms, he has been approached about his behavior before and has not done anything to correct his behavior. Much as strict protocol was not followed, I think the amount people complaining to him about his behavior over the span of years speaks to itself. Moreover, this incident exemplifies why many of the site rules need to be updated to better reflect what the community is now. It is, rather than a strictly wikia-based community, a group of people largely interacting on a discord channel. I implore the TSPTF to re-examine how incidents like this are handled on the future. Curmudgeonly yours - Crim 05:35, August 9, 2019 (UTC)

I will address what needs to be avoided. This cannot turn into a drawn out drama. While that might be inevitable, I will do my best to reign in any chaos. Last time everyone seemed to get turned to emotion when edge called ace a vivcrony. That might have been a flawed tactic, but the fact the entire attempt was dropped was a major stain on our principles. Viva has caused almost irreparable damage to the reputation of the site. Having been on ah.com, I can confirm due to viva’s repugnant dirigism manifesto, there is some flawed perception we are a twisted political cult. To those saying viva never broke any rules I can say take a look. If viva a few years ago didn’t intentionally abuse his powers by giving oct mod powers he is then delusional and mentally unfit for assuming that is reasonable in the slightest. Furthermore vivaporius has vandalized the principia page, inspite of Reximus’s protests. Numerous mods have testified viva has posted phonographic images. Many of our users, such as colgan are extremely young and lack emotional maturity, and thus may get traumatized by such actions which are semi illegal to begin with. Vivaporius has a history of belligerent behavior, and one may argue he is not active, yet they miss the point entirely. Such behavior CANNOT be tolerated and he DEFINITELY should not have any sort of mod title. The fact that he has single handled pushed users off the wikia is also telling. I thank the TSPTF for granting me this opportunity to take a stand. I believe that when I see a injustice occurring, I must rectify it. It is both my religious belief and views of principle. Let us repair the damage that ensued due to the freezing of the motion in 2016. I have faith in the wiki as a whole to make the correct decision. Take care and god bless. Warrior

To KK, I would suggest you get the information from the source rather than from someone who frequently makes assumptions based on someone without knowing or caring about the details. Vand's determination of what is and isn't porn seems to be unusually flexible. First, it wasn't porn; an anatomy illustration doesn't qualify and that is something that I made clear before I posted it. Second, I posted it on my personal Discord server, according to the rules there; Discord does not ban porn, meaning that even if I did, it wouldn't violate the TOS they have. It should be mentioned that Vand didn't mention any of this, but gave you his version of events, meaning that for an individual concerned with the "truth", he made no effort to provide the truth. Finally, I don't post my work to the Althistory Discord, because my work isn't related to this wiki. All of my work is either posted to my personal server, or Centrist16's server, where there is a section for art where I received permission from him to post it. So my work on a seperate wiki cannot be held to the arbitrary personal standards of an abstantee user of this wiki, and you all know that.

From what I can see, Warrior is deliberately creating false information that cannot be verified. Let's take a look at one of these claims he's making:

"The fact that he has single handled pushed users off the wikia is also telling. I thank the TSPTF for granting me this opportunity to take a stand."

Well, when did this happen, where did it happen, and to who did it happen? Warrior can't provide any evidence of this, and seems to be making it up for personal gain. And its odd he levels claims of pornography at me, when he was directly ordered to stop posting gay softcore porn images on Centrist16's channel by one of his moderators. No one had seen Warrior in forever, and when he appeared, he began complaining about my work, and harassing both myself and several individuals on the channel. He thens begin to post gay porn on the channel, leading to this direct statement from the mod and the following interaction:

This was after Warrior posted at least ten images of gay porn to the channel, most of which the mods had to manually remove of the server. 90% of Warriors argument is based on activity he wasn't around for, and which had been dealt with according to various circumstances he wasn't present for. He is likewise trying to have me stripped of my role based on my personal opinions, which aren't subject to Wikia's TOS. You can clearly see that he has a personal motivation for do this based on his own statements in his last paragraph, and most of the user base have already expressed their disgust with his actions and this sham of an impeachment. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 13:31, August 9, 2019 (UTC)

Loool viva. That was on con worlds for one lmao. Keep this to wiki discussion. Not altverse mirahaze. Also you seem to be jumping to assumptions. This is a matter of principle, and you are trying to divert it to an ideological debate. In terms of the con worlds situation, I will say I have already cleared the situation with Trav and "porn" is kinda a stretch when no genitals are showing. But I refuse to engage over this childish and rebuked irrelevant dispute because it is a mere diversion tactic. Rather than actually providing evidence to the contrary, you're like "look i got him here!" on me for leading the impeachment. I've already cleared up this off wiki drama, now please stay on topic. Interesting how you point to con worlds. Also, do you not remember the teacher you pushed off? or are you conveniently forgetting. I could further rebuke your point on con worlds because you too resorted to open trolling, but this would be a mere diversion. Anyway diversion attempt failed, get back on topic. When you have an actual credible rebuttal, post it, and I shall calmly explain how wrong you are.

Adressing Colgan, I posted no gay porn on althistory. I posted softcore porn on altverse miraheze. Please do your research, and actually study the situation before making such a "point."

Furthermore, I don't have mod powers, not on this wiki, not on the altverse miraheze. Again, I send the same message I sent to viva to you, please come up with an actual credible point so I may education you on how you are incorrect.

Warrior

I clearly stated in my objection that you did not post porn on althistory and that you posted it on another server. Next time actually read what I have to say before posting things such as this. Also when did I say you had mod powers? Now you are just making shit up. Colgan dog 15:54, August 9, 2019 (UTC)

Warrior, you're also admitting that you did post porn to the server. Porn is still porn regardless of whether or not it was softcore or hardcore. Which now brings me to my question. Why are you trying to run an impeachment against me with porn as the crux of your argument, when you clearly admit to having done this yourself, with images that were clearly of a sexual nature? I asked for permission to post my work, and the work itself was not sexual in nature. You posted porn against the objections of everyone else and you knew it was against the TOS as that wasn't the channel for what you had. You did it to harass someone else, and then you continued to behave aggressively for the entire time you were there. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 16:19, August 9, 2019 (UTC) I am not a moderator unlike you. This is also not conworlds. I shouldn’t have to continue addressing this deflection. As I have said, come up with a valid point rather than a conspiracy theory I’m some “butthurt lib.” Unlike you, I don’t hold grudges. Again a revert to the nature of the discussion is needed. I’m not going to entertain the trap you tried and succeeded in during the 2016 disappointment. Waiting for an actual argument, and will calmly debunk it as soon as possible. Honestly I could give two shits about altverse miraheze - if you have a problem there, bring it up to Justin. Now back to the issue. Honestly by taking out of wiki behaviors you are opening a pandora’s box that will baClaire unto you.

warrior

Viva you posted the softcore porn stuff on althistory. Ethan posted two men kissing, but that was on Conworlds first of all, so not relevant to this wiki. But more importantly it's not relevant because Ethan isn't a mod. You are a mod so you are held to a higher standard than that and expected not to do something similar to what the users do (users who were chastised for posting it too). Also he posted it on Althistory, it's just that he deleted it when Vand asked him to. You can find it in the archives on Althistory. Neesym (talk) 17:37, August 9, 2019 (UTC)