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Smoggy80

  • Supporters
  1. Owen1983 September 6, 2010
  2. We sure do need more constables, you've got my vote.--Vladivostok 16:30, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
  3. I'm going to support this, because as Vlad said, more constables are always needed. But I just can't shake the suspicion that Owen made this nomination to gain favor with Smoggy, which he hopes to pool for leverage in his preferred operating region (Northern England) in 1983:DD. That said I might just be being suspicious. Fegaxeyl 16:49, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
  4. I agree with Fegaxeyl, but like he said we do always need more constablesVegas adict 20:07, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
  5. I agree we do need more Constables given the fact we have two & there is great instability in the ranks. Plus Smoggy sounds like a wonderfully qualified candidate and will do a great job I'm sure. --GOPZACK 20:16, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
  6. I'll support this - you've done good work in Britain. And note that I agree with Fegaxyl about Owen. Lordganon 03:54, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Tbguy1992 16:20, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
  • Objectors
  • Discussion

she has been here a while and she helps people out

Smoggy must accept this nomination for it to be valid. Mitro 19:09, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

What would i have to do to be one?--Smoggy80 16:31, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

You would be granted rollback power to help you fight vandals and trolls. Mitro 16:37, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds ok to me i accept the nomination--Smoggy80 15:27, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Guys even if Owen nominated Smoggy to get in her good graces, it means nothing. First, I doubt Smoggy would be easily swayed by Owen like that. Second, Smoggy being a Constable has no affect on the operation of 1983: Doomsday anyway. Mitro 04:03, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Just to let you all know Owen nominating me will not sway me one bit in his favour. I'm just not that shallow or gullible ;) --Smoggy80 15:40, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

So long as you're aware and remember that that's likely what he was trying for. Lordganon 16:13, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Yes! It's great that we finally have someone that can't be easily influenced.... or, at least, I hope so. Tbguy1992 16:20, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
Owen has told me that he is doing it because he thinks Smoggy is a good editor, not as a move to gain favour. Fegaxeyl 16:30, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Lordganon

Hey guys, I was wondering if you guys agree that we need more constables around here, and Lordganon came to my mind. He is a very good editor and very vibrant in the 1983: Doomsday timeline, and is known for his plausible articles which often explore the "backgrounds" of the nations of this timeline. His works are terrific and he always, always has something to say and is always eager to help out. His main problem is how he words things, I find it that he is very sarcastic and sharp-tongued at times, and could possibly ban someone if he got into an argument with them, but nevertheless I think he would make a good member of the Constabulary. Tell me what you think. Arstar 19:42, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

  • Objectors
  • Discussion
    • Well he will reach his six months in 2 days, so I see no reason to not keep this nomination open. That being said, LG still needs to accept this nomination for it to be valid and I would like to hear about his willingness to root out vandalism and trolls. Mitro 19:54, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
    • So long as LG accepts he will be a great addition to the TSPTF and I disagree with this "main problem" noted above. We need more straight talkers. --Zack 21:18, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
    • Thank you for the consideration guys. I do accept it. I've always sought to root out vandals and trolls in my travels around the internet, as a couple of you may have seen around here the few times I've undid vandalism. A task I enjoy, too. I do try to avoid arguments, though I do tend to have a bit of a short fuse sometimes - not than I've ever banned anyone for fighting with me from anything I've modded before, mind. Lordganon 07:12, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
    • Since there does not appear to be any objections to this nomination, any objections to waiving the 2 weeks rules? Mitro 19:46, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
    • My take would be that if we say two weeks, we should do two weeks. It's just four more days. Benkarnell 20:22, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Red VS Blue

Red has shown through his work on the Stirling Awards that he is willing and able to serve the community and improving the wiki as a whole. Thus I nominate him to be a constable in the TSPTF. Mitro 14:00, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

  • Supporters
    • I have to admit, I was surprised to find out that he wasn't already a member. Lordganon 17:19, January 7, 2011 (UTC)
  • Objectors
  • Discussion
  • Acceptance
    • Thank you, Mitro, for honoring me with a nomination for a position on the TSPTF. I am more than happy to take on the post of Constable in order to do my part in the moderation of this fine wikia. Though I have been pleased lately at the ebbing of acts of vandalism, mostly on account of the expulsion of two particularly nefarious individuals, it is likely that the continued addition of new articles will make the normal vandalism rate on here grow in the future. Therefore, as succinctly put as possible: I accept. Red VS Blue 22:46, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

BoredMatt

Despite his age, I still want this guy on the TSPTF. His strong support of plausible actions in the Map Games, a place not known for plausibility, makes him a great candidate to be a Constable. Mitro 20:31, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

  • Supporters
    • Tbguy1992 21:56, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
    • Lordganon 22:24, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
    • Oerwinde 00:17, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
    • [[] 00:33, February 12, 2011 (UTC)- I think you would be a great TSPTF member!
    • BrianD 21:32, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
    • Smoggy80 19:36, February 14, 2011 (UTC)
    • KingSweden 20:02, February 14, 2011 (UTC)
    • Roguejedi 20:17, February 17, 2011 (UTC) - I think he should definatly get the position, as he is always the more plausible and thoughtful of the people that play the map games. He always is fair and he would be a great help to the wiki.
    • Katholico 20:47, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
    • VENEZUELA 20:58, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
    • Fedelede 23:25, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
    • Zack 01:32, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
  • Objectors
  • Discussion
  • I accept the nomination, thank you. BoredMatt 20:51, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

CrimsonAssassin

Sorry guys, I forgot to write my reasons. I'd like to start with his motivation. When he decides to do something, he's hell-bent on doing it, provided he doesn't get bored. When there's a situation, he wants a fair resolve to it. As he is my brother, I can definitely say that he is a great, moral person. He's the kind of person you can hang around with, and he loves this site. He visits almost every day. Whether or not he's remembering to log in is another thing, but he just loves it here.

As for people thinking this is some sort of sock-puppet deal, just stop. We really are two different people. As for what I said, I hope you guys aren't taking that the wrong way. I simply meant he doesn't like giving up. Crimson, hang in there! ~1000monkeys

  • Supporters
    • I, for one, welcome our shade-of-red canstabulary member to rule over us, and think that any violence assumptions of foul play on our part would be superfluous and rude. We can never have too many constables, after all. Jazon Naparleon 00:26, March 21, 2011 (UTC)
  • Objectors
    • Certainly is suspicious. The possibility of abusing multiple accounts is there (how do we really know Crimson and Monkeys are two different people). The fact that Monkeys has yet to return to explain why he picked Crimson. I also am a little concerned by something Monkeys said about Crimson: "He's pretty cool, but very stubborn if you get him angry'." A TSPTF member needs to have control over his emotions and not make decisions simply because someone made him angry. Mitro 13:21, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
    • Crim, if the nomination had been done in any other way, I'd support it. But since it was your brother that nominated you, I can't. I really do think that you would do a good job, though. But as it stands, I just can't support this. Lordganon 03:10, March 21, 2011 (UTC)
  • Discussion
    • For this nomination to be valid, Crimson needs to accept it. As far as I can tell, he has not been contacted about it. 1000Monkeys, please inform Crimson that you nominated him to be a Constable. Mitro 19:26, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
    • Whoa! Thank you so much, man! I'm honored to accept the nomination! CrimsonAssassin 21:53, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
    • One little problem. 1000Monkeys is Crimson's little brother, and he sometimes uses his account.
    • Is this true? Matt
    • I don't use 1000Monkey's account. Why would I? I see no reason to. But yes, he is my brother. Also, I don't overreact when I'm angry, I just don't give up. CrimsonAssassin 19:58, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
    • Well, I have no evidence on it, I'll just have to trust Crimson not to do it, it's just that he could. After all, Monkeys has taken Crimson's side on every map game he's played. Anyways, besides, I don't think he's qualified enough to be a part of the TSPTF.
    • Oh, and he's only been around since September, which means he barely qualifies for the Constable, but I don't think he's experienced enough, and I've never really quite seen him really "battling" vandalism.
    • Also, 1000Monkeys has been gone since February. Then, he comes back, makes two edits, both to hominate Crimson, and bam! No more edits. He didn't even tell Crimson on his talk page he was nominated! (Although he could have told him IRL). Anyways, I'm not sure about all of this.
    • Look, I decided to come back. I saw the TSPTF and saw Crimson qualified, so I nominated him. Also, I just wanted to agree with Crimson on map games. We both know that if we try going to war, there will be fighting. I did tell Crimson I nominated him IRL. 1000Monkeys 00:15, March 21, 2011 (UTC)
    • This is a discussion page over if Crimson should be in the TSPTF, not whether or not I really exist IRL (This is rediculous, people. I mean really.) ~1000
    • There is no need for that edit log, nor for talking about any of this here. Sign your responses, and cut it out on here. Lordganon 03:08, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Ownerzmcown

Owner has been an editor of the wiki since last spring. Despite my issues with him, especially early on, I consider him to be quite good at writing alternate history, and he's always willing to consider advice and pointers. He gives them when he feels that they are needed, as well. I've seen him undo vandals a few times, and consider him a good person to work with as well. As such, I nominate him for the position of Constable in the TSPTF. Lordganon 09:18, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

  • Supporters
  • Objectors
  • Discussion
    • I accept my nomination for the position of Constable. Ownerzmcown 19:16, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
    • I would like to be a constable simply for the purpose of having more responsibility for this website I have dedicated much of the last 9 months to. Ownerzmcown 19:18, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Fedelede

Fed has been a good, solid contributor for a very, very long time. I was amazed that he was not already in the TSPTF. While I have never really seen him fight vandals, I think he will make a valuable addition to the TSPTF

  • Supporters
    • Not very good of you to grab this rug out from under me Pita, since I asked him and you ran with it, but I support it. Lordganon 01:54, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
    • Jazon Naparleon 23:03, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
    • Katholico 23:40, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
    • BrianD 02:04, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
    • Matt
    • Smoggy80 17:14, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
  • Objectors
  • Discussion
    • Well, actually, I was going to yesterday, I just didn't have a chance because my computer crashed right before I asked him. I forgot until now, and was about to ask him, then saw your post!
    • We'll need more of these guys with Mitro gone, and Fed seems as good as anyone. Gung Ho! Jazon Naparleon 01:59, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
    • Thank you very much. I accept the nomination. I'd like to accept this nomination, because I think that, if there's something that might be important for the wiki, and the internet as a whole, is the erradication of trolls and vandals, especially in order to keep a wiki safe and productive (I know this is not a good explanation of why I'd like to accept this nomination) Thank you very much for the nomination. Fed (talk) 02:00, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


Mister Sheen

Sheen has been an editor of the wiki for a bit more than a year now. One of the primary contributors to the "Great White South" timeline, he has also contributed in some manner to several other of the community timelines. He's also shown a willingness to hep others. As such, I nominate him for the position of Constable. Lordganon 23:13, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

  • Supporters
  • Objectors
  • Discussion
    • I accept the nomination, it would be good to have a few vandal-fighting abilities to help around the wiki. - Mister Sheen 11:38, May 20, 2011 (UTC)

CheesyCheese

Cheese has been an editor of the wiki for a little more than a year as well. Primarily, his work has been with his "Canadian Independence" timeline, but he has contributed to several community projects as well. He has shown himself to be willing to help others, as well as able to "keep cool" when someone opposes him. As such, I nominate him for the position of Constable. Lordganon 23:13, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

  • Supporters
  • Objectors
  • Discussion
    • I'll accept the nomination. I think the vandalism is just plain annoying, so I'll try my best to stop it from happening. CheesyCheese 19:24, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Fegaxeyl

Feg is another long-standing editor of this wiki. Primarily, his editing does go towards Doomsday, but he's also started up several very unique ides for his own timelines. Has also proved very willing to give advice to others, as well. As such, I nominate him for the position of Constable. Lordganon 10:12, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

  • Supporters
  • Objectors
  • Discussion
    • I'm very grateful for this nomination! Rollback was a very useful tool on my old wiki and I can assure you all that I'll put it to good and responsible use here. Fegaxeyl 10:16, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

Collie Kaltenbrunner

Collie has now been around the wiki for about 6 months, and by the time the 2 weeks pass, he will have been - and I've been waiting for it, lol. He's shown himself on the map games to be a fair moderator, and very level-headed, which is something we like to look for, as well as willing to help with advice. Good at settling disputes, and fair at it as well, he's also involved in several map games and has a few timelines of his own that he's working on. I think he's do well with the position, and that's why I'm nominating him for it. Lordganon 06:43, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

Azecreth

Aze has been around now for about a year and a half. One of the guys currently doing CYOAH, perhaps our most interesting phenomena, he's also a participant in the map games and has created a few of his own timelines as well. I've seen him help out others on several occasions, and his CYOAH work is something I find quite intriguing. As such, I nominate him for the position of Constable on this wiki. Lordganon 06:43, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

I accept this nomination. I am glad that I am seen as such an interesting person. I will work hard, help when neede, and will do my best to uphold the rules and regulations of this Wiki. I will do my best to live up to the high expectations set for me. Azecreth 20:56, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

Detectivekenny

  • Supporters
    • I believe that Kenny would indeed make an excellent constable. He has demonstrated that he is a great researcher and has worked tirelessly to meet the demands of administrators to bring his articles up to graduation level. SouthWriter 05:07, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
    • DK managed to create a well-regulated map game, and has managed to keep implausibility to a minimum. He's set the standards for what a good map game should be like. Yank 03:51, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
    • ChrisL123 22:41, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
    • I approveLxCaucassus 01:31, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
    • Fed (talk) 01:34, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
    • Oerwinde 04:18, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
    • BrianD 04:46, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
    • CrimsonAssassin 16:38, August 23, 2011 (UTC) - You're stubborn as all hell and make sure things happen your way. You belong in the TSPTF, brother!
    • CheesyCheese 16:08, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
  • Objectors
    • Kenny is neither level-headed, nor plausible. Call it me not liking him all you want - that is irrelevant here - but I don't consider him a good candidate. Lordganon 21:49, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
  • Discussion
    • Don't "think" anything. Have a good look around and you'll see what I mean. That's all I'm going to say on the matter. Lordganon 22:04, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
    • It so much IS relevant to this discussion, LG. You knew I would not stand by and let you put your personal feelings in the way of bringing on board such a bright young writer. It is not enough to just say someone is not a good candidate, some specific reason should be given. "Just look around" is not a good reason. SouthWriter 05:07, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
    • No, it is not. My personal feelings/preferences do not get in the way of admin work - remember me nominating you for your position? And just disagreeing with nominations has always been fine, thank you very much. Why do I oppose this? Because he is consistently biased and not plausible on many occasions. You've admitted as much yourself in the past, except the "consistently" part. At the SFA Map Game, he's been told at least a half dozen times that he's not being plausible by myself and Collie, yet he ignores it and gets mad at us for it. Add the Cast~ arguing to it, and it's worse. Should have known that you'd post something like that and start something, South - should remember that before I say things like "all I'm going to say." Sheesh. And, "just look around" was so I didn't have to quote examples, but I guess that's not good enough either. I did specifically state what my problem with it was, after all. Lordganon 07:09, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
    • I accept the nomination. Rights would help me deal with vandals more quickly and I could take a more active stand in the community. @LG I don't see how plausibility affects the basic role of the TSPTF, unless I wanted to hassle new users over the details of their articles, which I don't plan on doing. And no, I am not admitting implausibility, I am just stating. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 03:31, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
    • You fail to comprehend the concept. That simple. Lordganon 05:42, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
      • Although I admit I am human, I never considered myself detrimental to the community as you put me up to be by objecting. There are many other users, who, like me, pass up the occasional implausibility. But for some reason I choose to defend myself, and that is what you seem to have a problem with. I understand how important it is to protect your image and stay in power, LG, but I daresay, you've attested to your share of "mistakes" in SfA (I was the first to cry metagaming, but no matter, I suppose). I really don't see how I have any bad intentions or would bring harm to the community. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 06:29, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
      • Metagaming? You know full well that all of that was in response to you not having any idea what being realistic is. And the "mistakes" were Collie's, not mine. I stand by what I have said about you, on many occasions. You are not plausible, and have shown great bias on many occasions. And there's no way you're ever changing that. Lordganon 07:08, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
      • Why thank you, I am delighted to find I am genetically predisposed to implausibility. And how civil of you to put the blame on Collie. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:10, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
      • Thanks for putting words in my mouth. Again. And, if you look at the first maps, you'll find that are the errors were his, so there's nothing "false" being said, either. And now explicitly stating that you will try and remove me from my position for objecting? Are you kidding me? Am I not allowed to object? Lordganon 01:21, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
      • LG is allowed to object and his personal experiences with DK have led him to these conclusions and I think thats good enough and the arguments need to stop. I personally have had no bad interactions with DK, and his work on 1983: Doomsday and elsewhere have shown that his article quality is high and while he will rigorously defend his positions, he is willing to cooperate. Oerwinde 04:18, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

ChrisL123

Chris is one of the newer editors on the wiki. While most of his activity as of late has been in the map games, he's also created a few timelines with interesting PoDs. More importantly, he does do his best to keep things peaceful, and I've seen him undo vandalism more than once, so the position can only help in that regard. As such, I nominate him for the position of constable in the TSPTF. Lordganon 01:58, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

  • Supporters
    • ChrisL123 has been very helpful and friendly on the map games which I am on with him, and he was a good moderator there. LurkerLordB 02:08, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
    • Azecreth 14:59, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
    • CrimsonAssassin 23:02, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
    • Fed (talk) 23:05, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
    • Mister Sheen 12:06, December 3, 2011 (UTC)
    • Katholico 15:47, December 3, 2011 (UTC)
    • I agree with LLB. He's a great guy. Just manage to keep up with homework ;D Imperium Guy 18:15, December 3, 2011 (UTC)
  • Objectors
  • Discussion
    • If I didn't say it before, thanks for the nomination, LG. I'd like to join the TSPTF because of the amount of vandalism I have already removed/undid, the effort and time I have put into the wiki, the respect I can offer to new and old users, and of course the responsibility I can handle. I believe that I can handle the responsibilities and make good use of my time as a constable. ChrisL123 02:11, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

Hidan43vr

Like Chirs, Hidan43vr is one of the newer editors on the wiki. He's the author/creator of L'Uniona Homanus, what may very well be the biggest timeline, even if added to sporadicly, started in a while on here. He's shown himself to be willing to fight vandals, and has also expressed quite a bit of concern about it in the past, as well. As such, I nominate him for the position of constable in the TSPTF. Lordganon 01:58, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

  • Supporters
    • LurkerLordB 23:04, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
    • Fed (talk) 23:05, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
    • -Kogasa 11:53, December 3, 2011 (UTC)
    • --Smoggy80 16:58, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
  • Objectors
  • Discussion
    • I would be honored to become part of the TSPTF of a this site that I've found wonderful and exciting for some time. Thank you all Hidan43vr 17:36, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Kogasa

Kogasa - or, 9 - is a pretty new editor around here. He's contributed to a few timelines, and established a few of his own. He even started up a Japanese version of our wiki. More importantly, he's gone out of his way to aid us quite a bit in fighting vandals. As such, I nominate him for the position of Constable in TSPTF. Lordganon 10:48, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

  • Supporters
    • Fights vandals, makes flags, knows our policies, helpful to other users, expands our communiy to other nations...what more could you ask for in a Constable? Mitro 14:39, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
    • LurkerLordB (Talk) 23:11, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
    • Imperium Guy 23:20, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
    • Katholico 03:48, January 28, 2012 (UTC)
  • Objectors
  • Discussion
    • I accept the nomination. I've helped fight off vandalism as fast as I can, and shall continue to do so, whatever it takes. Again, I thank you. -Kogasa 11:12, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
    • By my count, it's been two weeks since January 27 has occured. LurkerLordB (Talk) 18:56, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Pita

I've known him on this wiki for a long time. Here's a guy who's dedicated to the wiki. He's a regular patron at this fine establishment and has set some trends for Map Games. He gave us Axis vs. Allies and a Different History, among many other things. The guy's enthusiastic and very friendly. He's a helpful person and I can honestly see him fitting in well over at the TSPTF. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you pita. CrimsonAssassin 02:55, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

  • Supporters
  • Objectors
  • Discussion
    • Honestly, Can't really go one way or the other here..... Crim by making the nomination, you cannot be a supporter. And, while not explicitly against the rules, it's definitely against our practices for someone who is not a member of the admin team to making nominations here. Lordganon 07:52, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
    • Okay, thanks for clearing that up. CrimsonAssassin 11:22, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
    • Okay, this is my first go at this, so lets give it a blast. Well, I will accept this nomination because I enjoy battling vandalism. I've seen too many vandals, and it would be good to talk with some authority over them. Also, I will try my best to moderate map games, since several of the newer ones are quite… implausible.

Enclavehunter

Enclave has been here, now, for a little over 6 months. He's started a few timelines of his own, participated in a few of the games, along with done some mediating long with general advice and admin work. I figure he'll do good at this. And, as such, I nominate him for the position of Constable in the TSPTF. Lordganon 22:25, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

\*Objectors

  • Discussion
    • ​I've accept the nomination, as I've seen what happens when vandalizers and other people do to articles, and I want to help prevent that. Enclavehunter 22:32, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

VonGlusenburg

Von's been a member of the wiki for a couple of years now. He's one of our more avid players of the games, a contributor to the 1983: Doomsday timeline, and the author of the Early World War I timeline. He's shown himself to be pretty reasonable, too. As such, I nominate him for the position of Constable in the TSPTF. Lordganon 23:43, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

  • Discussion
    • I'm surprised he wasn't part of the TSPTF already. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:57, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
    • I accept, thanks for nominating me :D VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 10:38, April 7, 2012 (UTC)
    • I hope my efforts in stopping vandalism, trolling, flaming and arguing on the Wiki will make it a better place for all you guys; and being made a Constable in the TSPTF should make it easier for me to do this. After all no one in our community wants it to be vandalised and full of conflict & arguing, so I will try harder now to stop these things from happening, and solving the problems behind them, thanks again --VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 15:12, April 8, 2012 (UTC).

Imperium Guy

~Dean

  • Supporters
  • Objections
  • Discussion
    • If I remember correctly, don't we need Imperium Guy to accept his nomination? Azecreth 23:52, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
    • Yes, he will. Lordganon 00:12, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
    • Oh wow, I didn't realise I got nominated until Scan told me, so I'll give my acception a blast. I accept my nomination because I think I would be a good constable and try to do to my best to fight vandals and basically keep pages in order. This will also give me a slight position of power to moderate arguments (which I think I handle quite well). And thanks for the nomination (I got a slight feeling it was Dean or LG). Imperium Guy
    • Not me in the least. Imp, check the histories of articles, lol. Dean, read the rules more closely next time. Lordganon 08:23, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
    • Oh, thanks Dean. And yeah, I'll check the history next time, lol. Imperium Guy 17:04, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

CrimsonAssassin

I was doing some reaserch on the TSPTF and I noticed that he was already nominated, but for certain reasons I will not enumerate, he was rejected. I believe that he has in fact proven himself on this Wiki, and I truely believe that he should have been made a Constable way back when, but I understand the Comunity's doubt on his credibility. I hope that we will not let the past linger, and that Crimson's credibility and enough trust was gained to entrust him with the responsibilities of a TSPTF constable. He is a good guy, and judgingg from the Direct Contact I had with him on Principia Moderni, he seems to be an actualy nice guy, and I would have nominated him for Leitenant if the article number was right.

-Lx (leave me a message) 02:02, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

  • Supporters

\**Monster Pumpkin (talk) 02:13, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

  • Discussion

\**Same here. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:59, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

    • Thank you guys so much. I can't tell you how much thus means to me. I am honored to accept this nomination. Rest assured, you have nothing to worry about involving my credibility and honesty. As a side note, I'd like to say that I really feel like this community has had an impact on me. Not only am I even more interested in history than I was when I joined, but I am now constantly using the word 'implausible' in my every day life. Thanks again, Lx for the nomination! CrimsonAssassin (talk) 05:56, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
    • Lx, you nominated it. You can't sign up as a "supporter" too. As for the nomination itself... Sorry Crim, but I can't support it. Won't "object" to it, but I won't "support" it, either. And, don't forget to look at the last time he was nominated for the role when choosing "yay" or "nay." Lordganon (talk) 06:47, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
    • Though I understand your reservations, that happened over a year ago. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 12:22, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
    • Plus, I am pretty sure Lx is not one of Crim's off-hand stockpuppets! :P Imp (Say Hi?!) 13:12, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
    • Lx is irrelevant to my concerns - he merely signed as a supporter and posted it in the first place. Pita, you "glanced" at that point - you did not mention a still-valid concern. The passage of time is irrelevant. Lordganon (talk) 02:17, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
    • I say that since neither he (nor his "brother") nominated him for this position, and the fact that that's the only black spot on his reputation on the site, I can hardly say that I can see the necessity of bringing up that topic now of all times. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:28, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
    • I have to agree with Scrawland. Seriously, LG, stating that was a problem here in a situation that has nothing to do with 1000 Monkeys is a bit exaggerated. Fed (talk) 02:36, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
    • Crimson, I also have found myself to be using implausible in daily conversation as well! I use it now along with improbable, which I got from the Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy. LurkerLordB (Talk) 02:41, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
    • I mentioned not one word of what the problem was last time. Not one. Lordganon (talk) 03:06, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
    • And no one said you did. The fact that you advised everyone else to glance at last time's issue before voting is what we're discussing. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:12, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
    • It's sort of funny that last time, LordGanon said "Crim, if the nomination had been done in any other way, I'd support it. But since it was your brother that nominated you, I can't. I really do think that you would do a good job, though. But as it stands, I just can't support this." LurkerLordB (Talk) 03:14, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
    • The first time someone is nominated is very valid when they are nominated again. Nor did I say it was a "problem," per se. And you and Fed did suggest that I said it. Lurk? Opinions change. Lordganon (talk) 03:19, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
    • But did you change your opinion of him because of what happened last time, or because of something else? If there is something else, you should state it, as it could affect whether other people support him. LurkerLordB (Talk) 03:22, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
    • No net reason. Lordganon (talk) 04:49, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
    • I think voting is over. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 01:08, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Mscoree

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to nominate someone, but I'd like to nominate Mscoree for constable. He’s a great help to everyone, both within his extensive map game, Night of the Living Alternate History, and on the wiki in general. I’ve seen first hand that he’s pretty dedicated to the wiki and he’s a pretty good writer. He cooperates well and I think he’d make a good addition to the admin team. Edboy452 (talk) 04:34, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

  • Discussion
    • Nomination not valid unless the user in question accepts it. Lordganon (talk) 06:46, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
    • I have removed Ed's name from the support list, as you cannot sign up to support a nomination you make, as well as Tykur, who has not been on the wiki for the necessary month yet. Remember, you need to have a hundred or more edits and have been here at least a month to be able to vote on such things. Tykur, you may add your vote again on the 17th, and no earlier. Lordganon (talk) 06:52, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
    • LG I will not argue with you about the following, but I wish to take this opportunity to make a statement. I have wanted to say this for quite some time now. If it results in my blocking then... I'm not sure I care anymore, though i would like to appeal or at least say farewell to my friends. Please bear in mind I have gone out of my way to make the following statement as inoffensive as possible, whilst including my feelings: Since he joined Mscoree has been a great asset to my development on the wiki. He has been consistently polite and respectful to me, given constructive criticism where needed and warm encouragement when I took ideas to him. He has kept an ASB map game terrifyingly plausible. No mean feat. His sense of humour has caused me to smile on more than one occasion. So we have here a user who is human. In every sense of the word. Broken yes, but let he who is without sin cast the first stone. No takers? Quelle surprise! He is approachable, hard working (an edit count of 3752 edit at the time of typing) and plausible. He may be a new class of user, but I think we need more like him. Lordganon however has if I'm honest, slightly terrified me. His propensity for scaring of new users appears large, at least from the standpoint of a new user. If I come to him with an idea, I come back with an answer, and a highly detailed one at that, which I applaud. However it is always why it can't be done. It may be that all my idea's are ASB, but neither does he give any sort of ' I-can-see-what-you-are-trying-to-do-so-here's-how-you-could-plausibly-achieve-at-least-something-similar'. I find him often rude in his responses, and whist his usefulness in terms of general editing cannot be denied I find him too much like Javert (I will assume the reader has a modicum of intelligence. If not then he is from Les Miserables). There is, I admit a time and place for such actions, but surely not on a wiki! I mean not that he should be banned, only I ask, indeed, Lordganon I know you will read this, I beg of you, accept us for who we are. Only Human. Valjean, the thief, helped much. Let Mscoree be. Yes, even a Constable. David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk) 18:45, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
    • I can't begin to state how much this made my day. Thank you so much for the kind words, and for everyone who supported me. Truth be told, I wouldn't be able to do any of this without the support and help you guys show. It would be my pleasure to return the favor by helping people as a constable. I gladly accept the nomination, and hope people can find it in their hearts to give me a chance. Sure maybe I use humor and other unconventional methods, but as a constable I'd be focused on the betterment of the wiki. P. S. David Rain wins for being the first one to post Pink Floyd. Thanks, Mscoree (talk) 21:37, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
    • ...Why on earth would you get blocked for that, DR? There's is not a single thing against the rules there. More or less the entire thing is wholly irrelevant to this, but there's nothing against the rules in it, though the "intelligence" remark comes very close to being insulting. As for the content... Quite frankly, the only part that's accurate is/was the edit count. Both of you two - follow the layout. Lordganon (talk) 09:15, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
    • When does voting close?            Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo! 
    • From the top of this page: "Voting will last two weeks from the date of nomination, ending at 0:00 UTC of the fourteenth day." Let's hope common sense prevails. --NFSreloaded (talk) 18:22, July 16, 2013 (UTC)
    • Right, well two more days.            Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo! 
    • Voting is officially closed.  Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:17, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
    • He didn't achieve a 2/3 majority in either category, so he isn't a constable, correct?            Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo! 

FirstStooge

Well, to be honest, this has to be pretty self-explanatory. Take a look at the TSPTF talk page and you will see for yourself why. He has brought to our attention a good deal of vandalism. Things he cannot undo or involve blocking, he has alerted the admins to pretty quickly. He is a well-liked member of the community, and also does have under him a timeline which is expanding at a good rate (Myomi Republic). I really do feel he would be a very good addition to the TSPTF. As such, I nominate him for the position of Constable in the TSPTF. Imp (Say Hi?!) 12:50, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

  • Discussion
    • Thank you very much, Imp, I never imagined I would get this nomination. I am truly honored to accept this nomination. Maybe my efforts and works on this wiki will limited by my poor English. However, I will work really hard for this wiki, regardless the consequences I will accepted and the weakness I already possessed. I promise to put down any vandalism strictly and harshly. I love this wiki and I love Alternate History, I will work hardly and laboriously for the betterment of this wiki. God save the Queen! FirstStooge (talk) 13:11, August 10, 2013 (UTC)
    • God Save the Queen! XD  Imp (Say Hi?!) 13:13, August 10, 2013 (UTC)
    • Or, as Zoltan put it, Gud zav ze Kwin!            Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo! 
    • You know you deserve the position when LG supports you. ;)  Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:39, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
    • True.            Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo! 
    • And you know you don't when he doesn't, lol.                 SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   16:38, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
    • Well, not for sure. Look at Crim, he deserved it (imo) but LG went against it. (Though he did have a black mark with the 1000monkeys thing) Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 15:05, August 14, 2013 (UTC)
    • To be fair, I made it clear in Crim's case that I was neutral on it. Lordganon (talk) 11:59, August 15, 2013 (UTC)
    • Perfectly true, and I'm not saying you weren't justified.            Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo! 
    • It's a shame that debacle is still being brought up, though it's understandable at the same time. Regarding FirstStooge, he'd make an excellent addition to the TSPTF. CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 13:38, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
    • So...the vote was ended? FirstStooge (talk) 01:54, August 27, 2013 (UTC)
    • Yes, I think so. Congratulations.                "Fear the power of the Dark Side of the Force."  02:39, August 27, 2013 (UTC)
    • Thank you very much, Scraw. :) FirstStooge (talk) 04:18, August 27, 2013 (UTC)

Scraw

Well, Bfoxius was going to do this, but he hasn't gotten round to it, so I'll jump the gun and do it myself. 

Scraw is a prominent member of our wiki. He is universally liked and respected, and has two timelines of his own, both of which he actually works on and develops (unlike me =P). He would be an excellent addition to the TSPTF in my opinion, and I thus nominate him for the position opf Constable.            Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo! 

  • Supporters:
  • Objectors:
  • Discussion:
  • Hrm, uh, without getting too cheesy and sappy, I'll make it blunt. I am more than happy to accept this position and it will most certainly aid in making undoing, reverting, and fixing that weird code that happens when you have an edit conflict in map games easier. I am also grateful for just my nomination and will do my best to remain humble and help maintain order on this wiki.                 SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   19:50, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
  • Lol. Most users talk about fighting vandals. Yout alk about 'fixing that weird code that happens when you have an edit conflict in map games'. *shakes head* Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 13:23, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
  • Hey, somebody has to do it. :P And I think combating vandalism and trolls is an obligatory duty of every user on a wiki.                 SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   17:51, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
  • I think you don't need to be a constable to fix edit conflict problems. The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 12:47, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
  • Scraw is an active user and ready to undertake the responsibilities of the TSPTF. CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 13:43, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
  • To be frank, undoing is a pain in the rear. Rollback is quick, and you don't risk having a second conflict. Regardless, I will do my best to uphold all of my duties and responsibilities.                 SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   00:58, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
  • It's almost been two weeks, and I don't really think anything is going to change here. The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 08:52, August 29, 2013 (UTC)
  • Is he Constable now?Mafia (talk) 12:20, August 29, 2013 (UTC)
  • No. Two weeks have not passed. The amount of support is irrelevant. Lordganon (talk) 13:56, August 29, 2013 (UTC)
  • Precisely. Rules are rules folks, although I don't think mucg is going to change either, lol. 2nd September should be when Scraw gets moved up if I is correct.  Imp (Say Hi?!) 14:50, August 29, 2013 (UTC)
  • The second is the last day of the voting period. It'll be the third he can get moved up on. Lordganon (talk) 09:30, August 30, 2013 (UTC)
  • It is already September 3rd on my place. FirstStooge (talk) 09:28, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

Monster Pumpkin

MP has been part of the wiki for about a year and a half now and has proven to be one of the more level-headed users on this site, especially in the map games section. Level-headed certainly comes in handy, which leads me to believe that he would be a great addition to the TSPTF. MP is a well-liked user with two personal timelines that he's been working on as well.

~ CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 02:34, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

  • Objectors

Local Mafia Boss

Local is a very active member in our map game community, works hard on his timeline One of Many deaths and over seems like the kinda person that would not abuse his roll. He has 2000+ edits and has been on the wiki for 8+ mounths and seems here to stay.

OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM User talk:Octavian Marius 20:22, October 28, 2013 (UTC)

Vivaporius

Viva is a highly regarded member of many communities, including several map games. He has been on the wiki for years and is both active and plausible(ish). He is an expert on all things Africa, and I do believe that he has his own TL. Despite past altercations, I feel he would be an excellent member of the TSPTF, and would not abuse his powers. Vote for Life! (Geddit, cos Viva means life...)            Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo! 

Mscoree

Well, Mscoree is a wonderful user who tries really hard to keep this wiki going at all times. He is in the top ten editors and has shown dedication to be on there, with his map game Night of the Living Alternate History joining one of the elite in finishing successfully. He is very active and his Doomsday articles are good even though they still have a few problems. He has also worked very hard on his Yellowstone articles and has helped expand the timeline considerably. He is seen as a generally positive influence on the Community TL. He was nominated once when he was slight immature, but he has really improved since then, and has begun attempts to build bridges with users he was fallen out with in the past. He is a great guy helping me out whenever I need help and even when I am super annoying. He also helps to put spam pages up for deletion and helps out to tell about annoying anons. That is why I believe Ms should be Constable.  OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM User talk:Octavian Marius 01:36, November 20, 2013‎

  • Supporters
  • Objectors
    • Sorry, still feel like you're lacking in the customer relations department.                 SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR  
    • I like him, but he's (no offense intended) an idiot. He has experience but just isn't ready for this, as he proved with his actions on the TSPTF talkpage. Guns
    • Not a single one of those claims, OM, were actually true. Lordganon (talk) 12:20, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
    • NFSreloaded (talk) 21:14, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
    • Katholico (talk) 22:37, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
  • Discussion
    • Regardless of very obvious historical issues he has had with people i believe he has shaped up well, and would be a great addition as constable, ive had a great time getting things together for the Yellowstone TL with him and have seen noticeable improvement in behavior. The Unchallenged Conqueror #FP (Talk to Me)
    • Mscoree seems to be a great and active contributor to our wiki. Despite problems in the past, he has become much more active and mature in the time following his previous nomination. He frequently works on many timelines, and has modded in many map games, is the top non-TSPF contributor besides Iwaschris, and helps people out around the wiki, most notably adding categories, and frequently giving feedback on pages. Due to this, I believe he should be made Constable. Yawgmoth, Lord of the Wastes
    • He seems pretty fair, and has good grammar (more than I can say about other people on this wiki), and he's a friend. For these reasons (and ulterior motives) I support him fully. Daxus Inferno (talk) 01:52, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
    • I support him out of principle. The Hurian Database Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 03:31, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
    • Time is not something that everyone has. NonEuclidean (talk) 13:20, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
    • Except for Time Lords. File:Flag of HRE (The Kalmar Union).svg.png CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes"
    • I like him, but he's clearly not ready. I mean, remember his thing- not even a month ago - on the TSPTF page? Every Silver Lining has its Cloud...  (And here I am!)
    • What thing? You mean when I made an appeal to the TSPTF in accordance with the rules? Mscoree (talk) 20:52, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
    • How much longer can you possibly wait? You never are ready, just ready enough, as they say. MS has demonstrated an unprecedented and unrivaled dedication to the wiki, at one point even making over 1,000 edits in one week. He has dozens of pages, in dozen of timelines. There's a reason that new contributors contact him as opposed to some of the admins on the site. NonEuclidean (talk) 21:11, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
    • So, a lot has already been said about Ms. I sincerely consider him to be a great guy, although I wasn't his friend right away. We were not too close, but he was a leader of a whole community, which he still (arguably) can be said to lead. He has been recognized through NotLAH and now FMG. He helps a ton with YS. Frequently on chat, he really gets a chance to communicate with the users of this wiki. Lately, his behavior (I spelled it the British way on accident first!), not that it was bad to start with, has really been worthy of the TSPTF. He is a great guy, as I have said. He has my full support, and I wish the TSPTF considers Ms as he is now - a thing I feel is important for all users nominated to the office. Thanks you for hearing me out! He has my vote, and I hope he has your vote also. [User:Reximus55] [User talk:Reximus55] 22:25, November 20, 2013 (UTC) (Does LG get a vote, since that would be a bit biased?)
    • Of course LG gets a vote. All votes are biased, in real life and here.                 SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   22:28, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
    • When I say idiot I mean that he doesn't learn. Not that he's stupid. Also, by that comparison, all the people who are friends with Ms don't get a vote either Also, Rex, your sig be screwing up the page.            Lies are all I have. Lies and vaudeville. 
    • Just so we're clear, everyone who means the requirements gets a vote. Mscoree (talk) 23:09, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
    • This probably isn't the best time to voice this opinion, but I'd just like to say I'm not a big fan of the weighted vote system. Even though I've already gotten seventeen votes, it's still almost impossible for me to win, since if just two or three TSPTF members vote no then I require a practically unfeasible amount of TSPTF votes yes. Just something to think about. Mscoree (talk) 00:30, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
    • I agree on the flawed voting system. It would be the equivalent of having 2/3rds of Congress approve any new congressman + the vote of the people. Daxus Inferno (talk) 01:05, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
    • It is kinda like modern unknown dictators like Vladimir Putin, who has made it law to run for an office u gotta have the Dumas approval. So basically Putin's party stays in power No matter what the people think FLAWED. Now everyone say what u think. MS FOR BRASS later OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM User talk:Octavian Marius
    • Okay slow down, but I see what you're saying. Mscoree (talk) 02:02, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
    • Rex, lose that thing. I have removed it from this page, and I don't want to see it ever again. Seriously, that is just insane. Ms, do not screw up the layout like that ever again. OM, read the rules next time. Lordganon (talk) 12:08, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
    • I have removed the signature without an actual name on it, and because Dax wrote his on there twice, I removed both of them as well. Feel free to write your names on there again, but actually make it a username and don't sign it twice again. Lordganon (talk) 12:08, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
    • There is nothing "weighted" about our system. It is specifically designed to head off attempts by people that have basically nothing here from spamming through a bad nomination over the objections of the staff. So, in other words, exactly this situation. Lordganon (talk) 12:20, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
    • Overall, I have to say that virtually none of the claims about what Ms has been doing are in fact true. All his attempts to "help" have been a nuisance, and not been even remotely helpful. Lordganon (talk) 12:20, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
    • I'm sorry I made the discussion section its own subsection. There was a lot of comments. Can you add those people's votes back that you removed? Also the system you just described makes it "weighted". Basically some votes are more valuable than others. Mscoree (talk) 14:11, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
    • I added the people LG removed back up for the time being. They can re-add themselves when they get around to it. Mscoree (talk) 17:00, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
    • The weighted vote system... *sigh*... is a poll of the most respected members of the wiki in addition to that of regular members. Well, when I say 'respected' I mean it loosely. We're counting Scraw in that category after all xDD The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!) 20:02, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
    • It's not a poll, it's a vote. Certain votes are separated. Mscoree (talk) 20:58, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
    • "Every thing u say about MS is Wrong", ha LG r u trying to be funny because for all I know U have never even talked to Ms on chat I get it LG you do a lot for this wiki but when the people want a leader Give them one. Everything I have said about MS is true. He is ninth on the leader board. He helps me a lot, his Doomsday and Yellowstone articles ARE awesome. He did bring many new users in, for example how many people do u see who started around the same time on here and are still on here? He is active in map games Ava R-word, plays as Italy. Also last but not least He was immature last time but now he is not. For example has he done a stupid thing like alternate History memes recently, NO! Plus when you guys deleted some of them I lost my cool thing on my page that showed my picture with HAIL MARIUS. It was really cool. OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM User talk:Octavian Marius
    • Motion? Motion to stop Oct from being allowed to even post on this page? Any seconds?            Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo!  23:53, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
    • Let Oct rant. God knows all of us have. Mscoree (talk) 00:48, November 22, 2013 (UTC)
    • I don't mind rants, as long as they make sense. Also, frankly, this is embarrassing. The behaviour of many of these editors would have resulted in bans on many other wikis and for that matter should have here.            Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo!  00:51, November 22, 2013 (UTC)
    • Oct and folks are just voicing their opinion, much like how you are. No need to get banned for that. Mscoree (talk) 00:55, November 22, 2013 (UTC)
    • There's a difference between voicing your opinion and what they are doing. And you, Ms, know that I am not talking about Oct.            Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo!  01:02, November 22, 2013 (UTC)
    • I really wish this little feud between LG and Ms would stop so TSPTF could focus on more important things than their petty squabbles. Isn't there some way you both could come to some sort of compromise? And Oct, dear Christ. Stop posting.  File:Flag of HRE (The Kalmar Union).svg.png CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 01:45, November 22, 2013 (UTC)
    • It seems that several people (including myself) are in favor of resolving any conflict with Lordganon, which is why I have decided to seek out mediation. The two of us and several mediators will be attempting to resolve this dispute hopefully in a mature and civil fashion over the course of the next few days. I for one look forward to discussing with Lordganon, and hope that we can put this silly feud behind us. Mscoree (talk) 00:52, November 23, 2013 (UTC)
    • I am going to be rather blunt with this, as the 'new kid' I feel as though I caught the end of this whole issue that has gone down between Lordganon and Mscoree, but in all honesty I don't give a rat's ass what happened. I feel as though Mscoree would be just fine, I don't have any problems with him, and people need to put their egos aside, I joined this wiki so I could be around people who enjoy alternate history just as much as me and I've met some great members. What I don't want to see is this wiki torn apart by petty nonsense. User:LightningLynx89
    • I think the election system needs reform. Any system where some one can get 24 votes to 6 and still lose is broken. Lordganon even said the sytem was "designed to head off attempts by people that have basically nothing here from spamming through a bad nomination over the objections of the staff." So in other words the system is designed to make sure only people the staff like get in. NonEuclidean (talk) 15:09, November 24, 2013 (UTC)
    • ^ No sh*t. Anyway, you could (theoretically) get a 75% majority in the UK, and not be voted in. I think it is probably similar in the USA, if you look closely. "Sleeps with the fishes" "An Offer you Can't Refuse." "Make a wish. It'll be your last"
    • NonEuc, there's a simple argument to that. One of the supporters is Oct, and the other is Warman. Together they count for -20 votes. Therefore Ms loses, actually; 4-6.
    • Yes in the United States there is a less than ideal voting system, but we shouldn't be striving for that. Mscoree (talk) 21:03, November 24, 2013 (UTC)
    • What are his critics objecting to here? A new comer that might achieve great things? He has no reason to dislike the TSPTF once he's in it.... If you can't beat them join them. The responsiblity may improve him. How about a trial period? It has no preccedent, I know, but it may satisfy all parties.He does work hard, even if some say on the wrong things. TSPF would benefit from his work ethic and he would benefit from the task. David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk) 20:30, November 29, 2013 (UTC)']
    • The trouble with Ms is that he has a horrific case of foot-in-mouth.            Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo!  23:16, November 29, 2013 (UTC)
    • Not happening, DR. Removed the two I removed earlier again. Doesn't change the overall results, and they are more than welcome to sign the thing with their user names once per user when they see this. Lordganon (talk) 17:11, November 30, 2013 (UTC)
    • I put their names back per request. I'll inform them that they have to revote a third time. Mscoree (talk) 21:55, November 30, 2013 (UTC)
    • I think that, not being in the TSPTF (correct me if I botched it) from a user perspective, MS has done a lot of good on Alt Hist Wiki with Map games (NotLAH: btw: I still want a sequel), and timelines (Yellowstone). I believe he has a lot to offer and has matured quite a bit since I have been a member. I agree we need a new voting system because I feel it is unfair to us, the non-TSPTF members. It's like a US president getting the popular vote and the electoral votes, but Congress puts some other guy in because they don't like the candidate. Daeseunglim (talk) 22:15, December 2, 2013 (UTC)
    • Thanks to everyone who voted. I accept this nomination. I want to be constable because I don't want to be an idiot anymore. I don't want to play mean anymore. I don't want to be neutral anymore, or positive, or negative. Power is like a drug and I want to get high off its fumes. I want to be sedated by it. I want to die a man of great happiness. I want to thank the forty or so people who decided to edit this section. I want to thank the academy. I want to thank orange and green. I want to thank big brother. I want to thank the system. I want to acknowledge the Illuminati. I want to tdrink the kool-aid, and take the red pill, and jump off the deep end into the warm comforting arms of the wiki. I want to thank the veterans. I want to thank the saints and sinners, and the people who spell St. Valentine's Day with no "S". I want to thank pigs on the wing, dogs, pigs, and sheep. I want to play the game. I want to pass go. I want to collect two hundred dollars. I want to be glad, and I want to be sad. Most of all I'm glad I even had the chance to meet so many great people. You have made me laugh, you have made my cried. I like the bold and italics emphasizing, the copyediting, the racism, the smiles, the warm stone tiles. I want to thank the people, the oligarchy, the hierarchy, ladders, cake batters and mad hatters, fish out of water, and editors in a see of 1983. I like the jazz to it all, the rush and hustling of wiki life, man. I like being called mentally disabled, telling fables, learning much, and leaving my touch. So there you go, save a spot for me on your wall. God save the queen. Fix your Latin declining or so help me. Sleep tight. Freedom. Mscoree (talk) 00:42, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

CourageousLife

Cour is one of the most respected map gamers on this wiki, and indeed is one of the steadying influencing on the wild implausogasms of some of our more recent members *wink*. He's also had bountiful experience dealing with trolls and idiots, as he has moderated several map games where these species are more common. Come to think of it, he's had bountiful experience in general, having spent nigh on two years on the wiki.  Who else signs off like this? (And yes, clicking on the link is cheating -_-) 20:27, November 20, 2013‎

(Talk to Me)

  • Objectors
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    • You forgot the 'ers'. Fool. xDDD
    • ​Do I have to accept the nomination, or is it only after I'm elected? CourageousLife (talk) 02:40, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
    • You have to accept it and give a reason why prior. Lordganon (talk) 12:20, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
    • Okay. I accept this nomination, and will work towards the betterment of the wiki and any articles or map games in which I am present. CourageousLife (talk) 00:07, November 22, 2013 (UTC)
    • I can't tell. He's clearly winning in users, but in TSPTF members he only has a majority, not a supermajority.            Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo!  00:09, November 22, 2013 (UTC)
      • For the sake of bettering myself, could I get feedback as to why you voted yes or no? This would help me out a lot. CourageousLife (talk) 03:32, November 22, 2013 (UTC)
    • This will be hilarious. Cour, you'll have a majority in both ordinary memebrs and TSTPF memebrs, but will still fail to pass. Unless I can get Viva here...            Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo!  19:06, November 23, 2013 (UTC)
    • And I stand corrected; thank you, Viva.            Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo!  22:36, November 23, 2013 (UTC)
    • Simply put, you've never shown by what I've seen to have tried to help. Never hindered, just not really helped like the requirements request. Don;t seem experienced enough, either. Lordganon (talk) 17:11, November 30, 2013 (UTC)
    • Ahem. It's been two weeks. New Constable much?            Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo!  01:10, December 5, 2013 (UTC)
    • Oh, for the love of- IT HAS BEEN TWO WEEKS. COUR WON THE VOTE. GRAD THIS. Simple and plain English? I can do Spanish, French, or Latin, too, and that's without going to a translator.
    • Thanks a lot to all who voted for me, and I hope I can live up to everyone's expectations. Can't wait to start! CourageousLife (talk) 23:38, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

The old baby 2

Well, I would like to nominate TOB - a great contributor who works hard and gets along with everyone. OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM User talk:Octavian Marius 02:07, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Hailstormer

I would like to nominate Hailstormer for the position of Constable. He seems to be a very well rounded and level headed person, hes on chat alot (which means he can handle some of these pesky situations without it going to an admin) and he seems to be very well versed in population statistics among other topics as well. Also considering its rather calm attitude and ability to handle situations rather well (so ive seen) i feel like he would be a good addition to the ranks of Constable The Unchallenged Conqueror #FP (Talk to Me) 01:47, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

  • Discussion
  • I've seen Hail try and resolve arguments peacefully in several places, including on chat, and try to mediate massive disscussions and arguments. He expressed his frustration to me during the Ms Sockpuppet thing about not being able to calm down the chat because of his lack of mod powers.            Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo!  01:49, January 26, 2014 (UTC)
  • And again, we need him to accept first.  Imp (Say Hi?!) 01:53, January 26, 2014 (UTC)
  • Agreeing with the above points. Hail is a very level-headed person and manages the be nice as well as collected and smart. Cookiedamage (talk) 01:56, January 26, 2014 (UTC)
  • I would like to thank Feud for this nomination, as well as Guns and Cookie for their kind words. I happily accept this nomination. As Guns said, I have expressed my frustration to a number of people as my attempts to calm down chat and regulate it are limited by my lack of mod powers. I have chat running on my computer pretty much all day on most days, and I believe that I can be of real use as a constable as a result. Hailstormer (talk) 01:59, January 26, 2014 (UTC)
  • Ooh... don't mention chat!!            Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo!  02:57, January 26, 2014 (UTC)
  • We need more TSPTF people seeing as so many of them are active, and Hail seems like he's level-headed enough to be one of them. Fed (talk) 04:21, January 26, 2014 (UTC)
  • I guess now would be a good time as any. :P  Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:36, January 27, 2014 (UTC)
  • Like it or not, map games are a major part of the modern wiki, and Hail excels in playing and being a great mediator in them. He's getting my vote.
  • TWO WEEKS HATH ELAPSED. 

Feudalplague

Feudalplague is probably the most impactful new player of 2013. In fact, he is. He won the Stirling for that, but that is besides the point of his nomination (or is it?). Anyways, Feud, as he is popularly called, is an effective user and notable, while mostly for map games, also for his contributions and regular advice given freely to help others' timelines. He also has his own, developing, timeline,The Unexpected Kingdom. He is also a "Security Council" member of YS, and one of the better contributors. Unlike some newer users, Feud is decently predictable, cool-headed, and always able to solve and resolve issues between other players. He is on chat almost daily (more than I am, at least, and that says a lot, I think!), and also is frequently able to overcome his own personal biases (which are minimal, as far as I am aware). Feud also used to operate a nicely successful map game, South American Rising (Map Game), which was probably a bit smaller than NotLAH, but around the level of ROTS.

Feudalplague has my vote, being one of the most deserving people in contention for what seems to be an enlargement of the TSPTF (we seriously need to put some "active" members into Emeritus), and I hope, for the wiki's sake, that he has your's. Reximus | Talk to Me! 04:21, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

  • Objectors
    • OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM User talk:Octavian Marius whenever he has power uses it to Harass me in anyway possible, and is heavily biased.
    • Has a major problem with his mouth. Haven't seen any hint of him doing anti-vandal work, ether. Lordganon (talk) 15:51, February 19, 2014 (UTC)
    • He's a nice guy but he can be very aggressive sometimes, and as others have noted, as a bit of a mouth. I see him on chat a lot and he's usually intoxicated or hungover. NonEuclidean ツ (Talk)
    • No just no. -Nova 22:41, February 19, 2014 (UTC)
    • NFSreloaded (talk) 22:55, February 19, 2014 (UTC)
    • Simply no. Not even "not yet". FirstStooge (talk) 09:12, February 20, 2014 (UTC)
  • Discussion
    • ​I will accept this nomination i hope to see this wikia improve for the better with my advancement to Constable and will happily take on the duties of Constable. Honestly i wasnt exactly expecting it but i am on chat alot, and i have been asked on multiple occasions to consult on timeline, i have caught vandals on various occasions (particularly the guy on the PMIII page that just made me laugh). Along with that i believe im relatively liked around the wikia and considering the guy i most recently had an issue with is nominating me i think that is a testament in my skills with handling bad situations. Regardless of this i will accept this nomination and its responsibilities happily and will carry out the duties to the best of my Abilities. Thank you for the Nomination Rex.
    • I saw that comment Crim.... i really do and i will.. :P lol The Wings of Freedom #FP (Talk to Me)
    • Yeah.            Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo!  19:11, February 15, 2014 (UTC)
    • Cool headed, no. Helpful, yes.            Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo!  22:35, February 19, 2014 (UTC)
    • For all information im never around usually for vandal work (im busier than most of the people around here due to college and whatnot) but i did catch a few most particularly that recent one with PMIII relabeling everything The Wings of Freedom #FP (Talk to Me)
    • He is good at resolving disputes... but I mean he also creates some...            Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo!  23:57, February 19, 2014 (UTC)
    • No personal offence, Guns, but you too cause arguments. I cause arguments. Ms causes arguments. Even LG, who is our head honcho, causes arguments. Everyone causes some arguments if they are here long enough. Reximus | Talk to Me! 09:03, February 20, 2014 (UTC)
    • I don't cause arguments... arguments cause me.            Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo!  22:13, February 21, 2014 (UTC)

Bfox

Bfox has been an active member of this wiki. He's been on for a little under two years, and in that time, he's been helpful, polite, and very productive. He's done massive amounts of work on timelines and map games alike, and is generally acknowledged as a stabilizing influence on the wiki. I have seen him calm chat disputes many a time, and he is one of the users I respect the most on this wiki. Besides, we need at least on TSPTF member with proper musical taste! :P ~Guns, who has a secret plot to take over the TSPTF by nomming everyone he likes into power. (March 31)

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    • ​Ai'ighty then, this was unexpected, and I'll get right into this. I'd like to state that I heartily accept this nomination, and if I am to become a Constable of the TSPF, I will do everything that I am capable of to do things such as revert the edits annoying trolls that have become quite a nuisance on major map games such as PMIII, and try to be a welcoming, yet stern presence on the chat, which often descends into madness. Another area I would like to take into consideration is the realm of map game moderator nominations, which often become "I scratch your back, you scratch mine" affairs, and I will use my authority to help hopefully end that. In short, I will not be a Constable who sits on my power and uses it for prestige alone. Thank you Guns and all who vote! Bow To Your Sensei. BOW TO YOUR SENSEI!!!
    • Too much nomination make me dizzy. FirstStooge (talk) 02:30, April 1, 2014 (UTC)
    • Swanky has been removed - he is not eligible to vote. Lordganon (talk) 11:44, April 1, 2014 (UTC)
    • Bfox is very capable as a user - he helps us out whenever we need to and remains committed to the wiki, something always useful in a constable. :)  Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:59, April 1, 2014 (UTC)
    • Wow, I was surprised at this outcome. Unanimous vote for me at the time. Thank you! Bow To Your Sensei. BOW TO YOUR SENSEI!!!
    • TWO WEEKS HATH ELAPSED! (This phrase is becoming a nomination staple)Bow To Your Sensei. BOW TO YOUR SENSEI!!!

G greg e

Greg is a great contributor and a very fair individual. I first met him when we both played NotLAH and I remember him as one of the best players, always having a calm tone and a great way of explaining things. He continues to edit rather frequently and is a great addition to the wiki. I hereby nominate him for the position of constable because I believe he will apply his good skills toward this job to make the wiki a better place. Tr0llis (talk) 21:08, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

  • Discussion
    • ​I'll abstain here, though instinct suggests against it. BTW, on an unrelated note, Scraw, Pita, and MP should be El Tees by now, and Impo brass.
    • I thank tr0llis for the nomination and am honored to be considered for such a role on this wiki. I would be honored to take on such a position; however, the timing is just not right at this moment for me. I am committed to this wiki and will continue to be an active member (with a few vacations here and there) and hope that I can continue to contribute to this wiki in many facites. Hopefully I can be reconsidered for this in the future when I have more hours to dedicate to the wiki and would be able to do the responsibilties of that a constible to the greatest of my abilities. Thank you once again though. g greg e (talk) 17:56, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
    • ^ Is that a declination? Is declination the right word for it? I don't think it is, but...
    • Yes it is, I respectfully decline as I cannot peform the responsibilties to the best of my ability at this time. g greg e (talk) 01:03, May 1, 2014 (UTC) 

Reximus55

Honestly, I had a quarrel with Rex over a sensitive issue last year. However, recently Rex shows us that he already growing up and became more open-minded person. He categorizing and fighting against vandalism and spamming very extensively. That will making him a good addition to the TSPTF. He proved himself not only a good writer, but also the one of most dedicated contributors on this wiki. FirstStooge (talk) 11:24, May 16, 2014 (UTC)

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    • Agree completely. In fact, I was going to do this eventually. Bfoxius (talk)
    • Reximus helped me on many things, I agree 110% that he should be nominated. Saturn120 (Talk)
    • Just FS nominating him says that he is ready. OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM User talk:Octavian Marius
    • Rex has had a past, and I disagree with him on almost all off-wiki matters. God forbid he ever become President of the USA.  But seeing as on-wiki, I don't think he can stop the socialist revolution- and seeing that FS has clearly forgiven him- I'm in favor.            Tonight the foxes will hunt the hounds!  22:53, May 16, 2014 (UTC)
    • Wow, I just noticed this after being on mobile for about a week. First, I'd like to say that I am thoroughly honored by the nomination. Coming from First, I think, shows his character, as he has an open heart. However, after much consideration, I feel that I must decline this nomination. As I said, I am blown away by this suggestion. The reason for declining the offer is simple: I will be pretty busy this summer. I will try to keep aiding the wiki in my previous ways, but the TSPTF badge, star and title (while nice) do not mean the world to me. I would like to continue contributing. I've been here for just a year and have been banned twice, both for relatively offensive reasons. While I am not denying that I have (hopefully) gotten better, I am saying that a few more months of maturity would not be harmful for my own development or for the future of this wiki. Thank You, Reximus | Talk to Me! 20:53, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
    • Pity. You'd have done well. But no offense, I don't think the vote would have gone through anyway. There are a few of us who are on a blacklist. We cannot and, perhaps, should not come to power.            Tonight the foxes will hunt the hounds!  22:26, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
    • Rex is good guy, and an active player. But the implausiblities and controversial jokes are why I say no. If Rex decides to clean up his act, and he is nominated later, then sure. SwankyJ (talk) 02:31, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
      • I've already declined the nomination, ergo the vote is closed. Reximus | Talk to Me! 05:55, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

Andr3w777

Since Andrew joined, shortly before I did, he's spent ample time contributing to various projects on the wiki such as the great Principia Moderni Map Game series, which he is now a moderator of. Outside of that, he's contributed to a few TLs, and done quite a bit of anti-vandal/troll work on map games, timelines, and in the chat. I hereby nominate Andr3w777 for TSPTF Constable. Bfoxius (talk)  (May 21)

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    • I thank bfox and everyone for this nomination. I am honoured by such. I have worked to be a very appoachable individual and have a genuine respect for history. I have long attempted to be a mediator on wiki conflicts and have strived to be a voice of reason. I am pleased that someone would nominate me. I am ever greatful and accept this nomination. I hope others feel the same, I know I may have been a little crass toward others in the past, but I have attempted (to great success) to be a better player and care about the events on the wiki. Thanks again Bfox and others.ALLONS-Y!!,Basically, RUN!! 02:24, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
    • Andrew is one of the most level-headed, fair and consistent people I know on the wiki. I can think of no one better suited to-nor who I believe would work harder to fulfil the duties of- the role. Callumthered (talk) 05:14, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

Sine dei gloriem

Sine joined shortly after I did, playing the same map game I started out on. Since then, he has become a MAJOR player of map games, from all of the esteemed PM series games, to NoTLAH, to Roma Delenda Est. He has also contributed to several community timelines, and has been overall a great individual who is more than capable of TSPTF Constablehood. Sine currently has a spot on the PMIII mod list, and has done a great job making maps and hunting out ASBdom on PMIII. I hereby nominate Sine dei gloriem for TSPTF Constable. Bfoxius (talk) 21:53, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

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    • ​Nice job, Bfox. ~~Guns, whose secret plot- to take over the TSPTF by getting people he likes nommed- is succeeding.
    • I'm in no man's side on the opinion of users about TSPTF. I'm neutral here. and i accept this nomm, thank you Bfox Sine dei gloriem "Ex Initio Terrae" (talk) 22:10, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
    • The most important and defenatelly not irrelevant Toby stamp of approval has been given :Pe WHY seriously why???!!! 21:46, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
    • 'Hello. When I first joined, I didn't know much about this wiki, and I met Sine on chat - we chatted for the whole morning and overall I felt that he was a very pleasant guy. Later on, when I wanted to start my map game, Colonial World, he helped me with it and gave me some tips. During the map game, he helped with combating the ASBness as there were several new players playing my map game and he corrected them about the things they had done wrong.' His maps are also great, and with 4000+ edits he is well qualified to be a member of the TSPTF. Not to mention he is already an admin on the Map Game wiki, so he has some experience. Template:Rcchang
    • Right, I forgot to say that. He's Head Mod of MGW. Though, that's not really a point in his favour...
    • On a sidenote i'm turning two years since i entered the wiki in a week (June 13th of 2012) Yay! Sine dei gloriem "Ex Initio Terrae" (talk) 02:59, June 7, 2014 (UTC)
    • Two weeks, Reximus | Talk to Me! 19:36, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

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Toby2

Toby has been an active member of the wiki, has also reached a substantial number of edits and has begun working on his own timeline. In these six months he has improved as an editor and a member of the community in general which is why I humbly suggest that you, my fellow wikians, consider accepting him as a member of the TSPTF. Sincerely, SkyGreen24 - Join the party 20:25, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

  • Objectors
  • Discussion
    • I accept nomination Toby2: THEY CALL ME Mr. Awesome!!!
    • You need to explain why you want the position, Toby. Lordganon (talk) 02:09, July 17, 2014 (UTC)
    • When he provides a real acceptance speech, I shall most likely vote "yea." Reximus | Talk to Me! 07:44, July 17, 2014 (UTC)
    • Ok. I wish to have this position because I wish to help the wiki improve. The wiki is always evolving. I want to take part in steering the wiki in the right direction, and help fix vandalism. I've been trying to report vandals and solve chat disputes when I can, and with this I think I can do more to benefit the wikiToby2: THEY CALL ME Mr. Awesome!!!
    • Are these over? Toby2: THEY CALL ME Mr. Awesome!!!

Feudalplague

Since his last nomination, I think Feud has really grown. He's taken a leadership role in the popular map game, Principia Moderni III, being the guy many people go to with questions about the game and algorithms. It seems like he is one of the few people who knows when people deserve punishment and when people deserve lenience, leading me to believe that he would make an excellent chat moderator and a lovely addition to the TSPTF. To add to this, I've never seen him power-whoring (asking people if they think he'd make a good admin/constable). Through our many interactions, I have come to recognize Feud as a friend, be it through mod duty on PMIII to late night bromances (which LG can attest to) to simply joking around with other users on chat. All-in-all, if there's one person not in the TSPTF who needs to be in the TSPTF, it's this guy. I asked him on chat and he'd be interested and he said yes, so here we go. CrimsonAssassin-See you, space cowboys 00:37, July 17, 2014 (UTC)

  • Supporters
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    • The Hurian Database Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 00:26, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
    • Lordganon (talk) 10:23, July 21, 2014 (UTC)
    • While I had originally thought that a yes vote would be the best course of action, and I even nominated him a few months back, I have since reoconsidered. Feud is undoubtedly a great contributor, but the more I think about it, the less I see of him actually needing the title. Yes, he is a consistent member of the chat group, but we can see him being central a number of arguments. Furthermore (and time has passed, but its possibly b/c of summer) must I remind everyone of the times Feud came to chat drunk? He also has a poor mouth, which I feel is unfitting for a mod. Reximus | Talk to Me! 10:31, July 21, 2014 (UTC)
    • I feel like it isn't a good idea for Feud to become a constable anytime soon, recently his chat escapade when the new users came on made me reconsider his ability to stay calm under stress. Sorry. SkyGreen24 - Join the party 11:07, July 21, 2014 (UTC)
    • Kurt Cobain's Haircut (talk) 23:55, July 21, 2014 (UTC)
    • I still love you Feud but I think you're a bit arrogant and stubborn. RexImperio (talk) 08:40, July 25, 2014 (UTC)
    • Toby2: THEY CALL ME Mr. Awesome!!!
    • NFSreloaded (talk) 15:04, July 26, 2014 (UTC)
    • Saturn (Talk/Blog) 16:06, July 26, 2014 (UTC)
  • Discussion
    • ​I accept this nomination and all the responsibility stemming from it. I have spent a large amount of time on this wiki and in conjunction with people like Cookie, Rex, Sine, Fed, weve all come across and handled vandals as per the rules. I am whole heartedly for fighting against the vandalism of the wiki especially to prevent more of that ridiculousness we had with a few certain users (who shall remained unamed) Im also extremely interested in keeping with a consistent chat policy (not trying to call anyone out here) but while it has improved extremely, we still get socks, and really all around intolerable people that i feel like could be handled alot more promptly and consistently so as to prevent more of these spamming and harassment issues from cropping up. Along with all these, ive been an active contributor for a good while, and have been doing work along with Crim and a few others for a new Timeline as well as my own personal one. As much as is said here i believe i would do great in the Constable position, but i understand its something you earn and are not entitled too as a member of the wikia, and are expected to be one of the more mature, and helpful members of the Wiki.   Feudalplague (talk) 01:18, July 17, 2014 (UTC)
    • You need to explain why you want the position, FP. Lordganon (talk) 02:09, July 17, 2014 (UTC)
    • Ah sorry i was going to get to that ill add to my previous post about it if thats alright with you. Feudalplague (talk) 02:24, July 17, 2014 (UTC)
    • Does the nominator get to vote? Reximus | Talk to Me! 07:44, July 17, 2014 (UTC)
    • I don't believe he's ready yet. Besides, we have enough constables as it is. The Hurian Database Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 00:26, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
    • Hey box people. Yeah, you. Get your boxes in a template. Gorram boxes. ~ Scraw 01:03, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
    • Can't nominate and then support it, Crim. Lordganon (talk) 10:23, July 21, 2014 (UTC)
    • I have an idea if Feud is not accepted again. We wait until 3 months until his school calendar and then re-evaluate. I really think his time spent on chat drunk is unacceptable, and while he has improved lately he also hasn't had much internet lately. If you are not on chat, you cannot be in trouble on chat. Additionally, he is central to many arguments which is also something a TSPTF member should not be. Reximus | Talk to Me! 16:26, July 21, 2014 (UTC) Addendum: I re-read the nomination and would like to make sure everyone knows that I consider Feud to be mi amigo also. However, the aforementioned concerns prevent me from being pushed over the top in favor of him.
    • Where is this comming from? i havent been drunk,drinking, etc on chat in the past 6 months at all. pretty much since my last nom and the recent arguements were centered on a game not me. As for the new user, he called me derogatory names for like 15 minutes straight. The Wings of Freedom #FP (Talk to Me)
    • He didn't call you derogatory names he said you don't have "swag" or something. You seriously over-reacted and when Ms came and said to stop you said 'We used to do this to Oct like 20 times a day just for speaking like this'. Has it stopped? Probably, although I have rarely seen Oct on chat anyways but that might just be me. You said it yourself during an argument with Viva on chat. You're an a**hole but "atleast" you admit. So does that mean we should overlook that? I don't think so. You tried to help me re-evaluate my vote, but that won't happen. Feud, this might be one of the rare occassions I am perfectly honest with you. I dislike you. Your cockyness, your rudeness, your self-centered behaviour. Heh, this reminds me of the time when you told us you had sex with a "high-end" stripper. Sure, let everyone on chat now, but don't speak of it again you just wanted to remind us of how awesome you are. Also reminds me of another time when you switched to that Pandapoleon avatar. You said it fits you perfectly. I think it was powerful(?) and loveable. A bit delusional I'd like to say. People talk behind your back on chat often. Eip said "Even if you agree with him, only he (Feud) can be right." To end my argument. I just don't think a person like you should be granted any power on this wiki for now. Especially not on chat since you seem to have a short fuse. SkyGreen24 - Join the party 17:30, July 21, 2014 (UTC) 
    • That entire story is taken out of context for the most part. People asked if i had a crazy/good night. i explained the story, and said its something i wouldnt do again period. Sorry for having a crazy night out with my friends that for the most part i regret in general. For the most part you should be leaving personal stories of my college life out of this Discussion as they are not pertinent to any of your arguements and to me honestly looks like a cheap shot to make me look like an awful human being. I have a personal life, and using my RL mistakes as an excuse for a cheap shot on here is really not okay. Brutally honest or not im saying thats a tad uncalled for The Wings of Freedom #FP (Talk to Me)
    • Though I have a major respect for Feud, i havent seen him work on any Timelines since i joined the wiki. i think personally we need more people in the TSPTF who have worked on TLs. though i think he should, but to be safe, im saying no. Saturn (Talk/Blog) 16:09, July 26, 2014 (UTC)

GunsnadGlory

Guns is one of the more senior members of the wiki. He's a well known character in chat, as well as helping out on many other timelines and map games such as 1983DD, PMIII (Briefly as China), and has other timelines too. Also, considering the fact of the recent shitstorms lately, I highly recommend we get a chat person to take care of this before it can get more out of hand. Saturn (Talk/Blog) 02:33, October 14, 2014 (UTC)

  • Supporters
  • Objectors
    • ​I really like and admire Guns as a user, but in my opinion I can't picture him being a chat mod. He can be a bit foolish at times, but more importantly, he seems to be quite inactive on chat recently. At the moment I am voting no, but I hope that Guns says a positive contribution on the wiki and only serves to prove me wrong (maybe even change my mind). Fritzmet (talk) 19:07, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
  • Discussion
    • ​Thank you, Saturn. While I have previously made it a policy not to accept any TSPTF nominations, the recent juvenile and offensive actions by multiple members of this community have changed my mind about that, cause they've succeeded in making ME look mature. I want to be a constable because I think we're at the point where these- let's not bandy words- shitstorms are getting far to frequent, and it's time to put the hammer down. This is meant to be a peaceful and productive wiki, not one for arguing over everything and bullying other users. Let's return it to that. Thank you. (I've surpassed the 6 months of experience necessary, right?)            Tonight the foxes will hunt the hounds!  02:42, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
    • Ok, so first of all Guns, sorry. I find that you are one of the funnier and nicer people on this wiki, but I don't think you are fit for a constable. You seem far too immature and you really aren't frequent on chat. Plus, you have recently said that your ablity to contribute would be decreasing. I abstain. I am on the edge... The EdgeofNight ╚╩o.o╩╝
    • Guns has tried to be a mediator in discussions lately, is more or less a respected user, oh and a mscovite voted against him, that means he is TSPTF material. SkyGreen24(Party,quotes) 17:02, October 17, 2014 (UTC)
      • Stealing my jokes now, are we Sky? Reximus | Talk to Me! 18:31, October 17, 2014 (UTC)
      • That's strange, since some :"Ms cronies" also voted no against Rex. Tr0llis (talk) 20:31, October 17, 2014 (UTC)
  • The voting should be over now, it's been two weeks. So, it looks like Guns is a mod, Now, the squirrels, lol. Saturn (Talk/Blog) 00:09, October 28, 2014 (UTC)
  • They'll get to it. Calm down, sat. And thanks!            Tonight the foxes will hunt the hounds!  00:16, October 28, 2014 (UTC)
  • Uhh, that said, it has been 2 days since said election expired. LG! IMPO! WHERE ARE YOU?            Tonight the foxes will hunt the hounds!  22:10, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Reximus55

Reximus has been here since mid-2013 and already has more edits (approximately 18,775 as of 1/17/2015) than the vast majority of all of us. I recognize that edits are not everything, and he has been a copyediting machine in recent months, even netting an unprecidented Stirling nomination for copyedits. Beyond that, he has participated in many personal timelines, community timelines, map games, and various other projects over the course of his career. Though he was rather immature early on in his wiki career, he eventually got over that and has become rather well-liked throughout the wiki. I nominate Reximus55 for the position of TSPTF Constable. ~Bfo

  • Supporters
  • Objectors
  • Discussion
    • Rex does have a lot of experience and he is in fact one of the most active users, contributing heavily to the wiki in form of TLs, map games and copyedits. I do believe, despite his shady past and any issues he might have at the moment, he would still be a valuable asset to the TSPTF. However, I'm not sure if I'm going to vote for him yet, especially since my vote would as of 20 January count as TSPTF from what I see. SkyGreen24(P,Q) 11:13, January 18, 2015 (UTC)
    • Rex, you also need to accept the nomination.                 SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   14:59, January 18, 2015 (UTC)
    • Alright, to spare you all from reading this TL;DR response, I will let you all know in advance: I respectfully decline the nomination for Constable. It really is an honor to be nominated, and I truly appreciate it, but I feel that now is not the time. As many have pointed out, I am active in the community, and that won't be going away. In fact, if anything I intend to step up my game, having been pretty inactive in November/December/January, at least by my standards. As has also been pointed out, I already do what, in my eyes, is a good deal of service to this community, be it through spell-checking, helping Nuke with image duplication, or categorization reform. I am passionate about this wiki, and I hope my effort shows this. With that being said, I will not stop this just because I am not going to be in the TSPTF. I understand that I have had a.... rough past, with a few users in particular coming to mind, but I have been working on it and I see that I have improved from a "No way." to a "Still not convinced." Its been a great time here, and as I've said, I am not going anywhere. The other main reason I have declined is due to what I perceive to be an overfilling of the TSPTF with just users who are cool, but perhaps don't add much to the overall value of the wiki a few months after getting the nod. I don't want to be one of those guys, and if/when I am elected, I will work to reverse that trend. Thank you, Bfox. I appreciate it very much, but I must decline. Reximus | Talk to Me! 17:29, January 18, 2015 (UTC)
    • Done, Rex. Folks, this is why you ask first. Lordganon (talk) 11:29, January 19, 2015 (UTC)

SkyGreen24

He's a very nice and kind person, in general, and knows what's right and what's wrong. He's an extremely levelheaded person, and can help sort out arguments. He always follows through, from what I've seen, and is always drawn to push forward with his projects. I believe that he would be a good choice to be a Constable, because he'll be a fair manager of the chat and the wiki in general. Upvoteanthology (Talk | Sandbox), 04:09, January 6, 2015 (UTC)

  • Discussion
    • Sky, make sure you write why you want to be a constable. Upvoteanthology (Talk | Sandbox)
    • First of all, I'd like to thank Upvote for the nomination. As to why I would want to be a constable, I guess I did contribute a lot to the wiki in the year and a some months I've been here, I believe I have shown some anti-vandalism work. I might not be as timeline-active compared to other users, but I do think that I am able to settle arguments, hear out both sides of an argument and, a trait some users lack, admit when I'm wrong. Also, although the rollback ability does not make much of a difference, I think I could make the best of it. Cheers, SkyGreen24(P,Q) 10:55, January 6, 2015 (UTC)
    • Can't vote for a nomination you make. Lordganon (talk) 12:09, January 6, 2015 (UTC)
    • I want Sky to get user rights as well. He deserves them. It would be nice to have someone around more often to make sure me and Scar/Ace etc, don't get in a flame war. Spartian300 (talk) 12:16, January 6, 2015 (UTC)
      • Actually, you can prevent that youselves lol. Saturn120 (Talk/Blog) 13:15, January 6, 2015 (UTC)
      • But you aren't there most o the time. spar
    • One of the main reasons I voted for Sky is because he is on chat a lot and thus can be very useful as a constable and would make for even more mod presence in chat. He could effectively prevent shitstorms early Hail Sean! (Tech can into talkpage?)
      15:51, January 6, 2015 (UTC)
    • I think he'll be a fine constable, as long as you don't suggest that Serbs are better than Croats. But other than that, he's fine. "This is not your grave but you are welcome in it." 18:10, January 6, 2015 (UTC)
    • I promise I won't, haha. SkyGreen24(P,Q) 20:11, January 6, 2015 (UTC)

Mscoree

Ms is one of the wiki's most active users and best writers. He is always willing to help and contribute, and has now become an active part in many timelines. Although he got off to a rocky start when he first joined, he has since become much more mature and cooperative. He seems to get along nicely with everyone, and has spent a lot of time working to fight vandalism, spam, and other matters. For that reason I think he should be constable. Not to mention he really should be by now; he lost 5 - 33 in his last vote, and all he needed was 5 - 34 (not to mention Fed said he was going to vote yes, but arrived about an hour late). QuebecanCanada (talk) 00:20, January 18, 2015 (UTC)

  • Supporters
  • Objectors
    • No way in hell. Hasn't changed a bit. Lordganon (talk) 10:24, January 18, 2015 (UTC)
    • Imp (Say Hi?!) 14:33, January 18, 2015 (UTC)
    • NFSreloaded (talk) 15:28, January 18, 2015 (UTC)
    • Nope. Still does the same old Antic The Wings of Freedom #FP (Talk to Me)
    • After thinking for a bit, I am still going to say no for Ms' nomination Saturn120 (Talk/Blog) 18:53, January 18, 2015 (UTC)
    • Definitely not. Fed (talk) 20:37, January 18, 2015 (UTC)
    • I could write a novel on the reasons Ms doesn't deserve this position. Crim de la Crème 00:38, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
    • Not too sure I should comment. -- NuclearVacuum Russian America 03:36, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
    • Nay. FirstStooge (talk) 08:26, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
    • Mitro (talk) 17:09, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
    • Sorry Ms. After giving it some serious thought, what has happened seems to keep happening. I think you're a valuable contributor, but I fear giving you any power. Cour *talk* 22:47, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
    • Yesterday I thought yes. But what I saw today is enough to reverse my decision. Regards, Laptop Zombie 05:44, January 21, 2015 (UTC)
    • I am changing my vote to nay because I am afraid of voting yes. Hopefully this ends it. Don't want to risk a ban right now, sorry Ms. Fritzmet (talk) 19:06, January 19, 2015 (UTC)
    • Eric von Schweetz T C IM] boarder
    • Tough decision, but looking at how you've been recently I have to vote no sadly. :( Blocky858
  • Discussion
    • @all admins ​Don't revet the descriptioon tr0llis made, i couldn't write all of it so i asked him 
    • If there is a single Wikian who deserves to be constable (arguably even Lt, in my opinion), it is Ms. Now, I know I have been harsh on him a lot of the time. But lately, I have seen just the transformation he has undergone. I have realized just how kind and helpful a person he can be. I have been so rude to Ms so often, but the next day, he jumps right back in and offers to help me. And then there are his contributions. He has almost 40k edits, and these are not just boring small additions. He has been extremely active in the community, with active roles in 83:DD, 36:YS, KF, and had been a good mod for PM3. Then, there is NotLAH, which was one of the greatest map games of all time. His Stirling record is surpassed by very few individuals, and his character is out of this world. I understand that many people may be tempted to object, but I urge you to get to know him before you do so. Can he be dramatic? Sure, but he is overall less dramatic than a number of other users. We all have our ups and downs. To become a constable, you need more ups than downs, and Ms has fulfilled this role. I hope, for the sake of this wiki, that Ms gets Constable. Signed, The Leading Anti-Mscovite, Reximus | Talk to Me! 01:06, January 18, 2015 (UTC)
    • Ms, you still need to accept the nomination.                 SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   14:58, January 18, 2015 (UTC)
    • As I've said before, Mscoree is one of the only users on this wiki who was helpful and welcoming when I first joined the wiki. He councils me on my timeline, and he appears to be active on many others. I can't think of anyone else who would be more deserving of some sort of admin position, based on his level of activity, edit count, and number of projects. I don't know what sort of disagreement he has with some of these users, but what ever it is I hope they can bury the hatchet and move on, for the sake of this wiki. Ratcolor (talk) 18:50, January 18, 2015 (UTC)
    • Unsurprisingly, Ms and his friends have sucessfully trolled chat into oblivion and got a 2 hour block until they can calm down. Crim de la Crème 01:51, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
    • Doesnt that make him ineligible? The Wings of Freedom #FP (Talk to Me)
    • "Bye. Enjoy your nomination" - Crim Harvenard2 (talk) 02:39, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
    • The requirements state 'blocked', not chat banned, which means he's still eligible. I think... SkyGreen24(P,Q) 16:46, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
    • I've removed my vote. One of the main reasons I voted yes was because it seems Ms has changed and become less disruptive and troll-ish. And then last night, tr0llis and all of them caused a huge disruption in chat and gotten themselves banned. I also remember when Ms essentially attempted to cheat in the Spanish-Austrian war in PM3, so that also propelled me to remove my vote. Anyways, I think Ms is a good community member and I'm grateful for the things he's done, but clearly he continues to allow his friends to cause crap on chat and tick everyone off. Cookiedamage (talk) 20:42, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
    • Congratulations Crim, your set up is succeeding. I guess it's coincidental that this event happened during Mscoree's election, with the only witnesses being the people opposed to him in said election. Read the complete chat log, as you can see Mscoree essentially did not do anything. When he spoke it was mostly to tell people to calm down. Meanwhile Feud uttered several personal attacks and curses at Mscoree, Tr0llis, etc, and all Fed (the admin) did was "^". Then you wonder why Tr0llis said some things back. Strangely Mscoree is the one who is punished, along with all of them. Let's review how that happened. Crim joined chat and after only a few seconds, without even hearing what had happened, banned Ms, Tr0llis, Harv, etc. Monster Pumpkin, an admin even said it seemed like Mscoree did nothing wrong. In the chat logs themselves Tr0llis is called mature, and Mscoree is said to be the one lessening tensions, not escalating. Later I joined chat, having read the chat logs, and when I asked about it I too was immediately banned. Crim then proceeded to plaster a heavily exaggerated story on here for the sole purpose of embarrassing Ms and destroying his election. Heavily bias and inappropriate, in my opinion it undermines the entire office of admin. The sad thing is it works, and no one can stop you. Fritzmet (talk) 00:41, January 21, 2015 (UTC)
    • ^That type of aggressive, ganging behaviour is what made me vote against Ms, fyi. Fed (talk) 03:02, January 21, 2015 (UTC)
    • So one person talking is ganging? Not to mention I am seemingly in opposition by multiple people. Also how does my actions affect Mscoree? Do you usually vote on people depending on what people around him or her do to you? Fritzmet (talk) 03:38, January 21, 2015 (UTC)
    • Why is no one taking heed of this? I was banned for "cursing" even though the log shows I never cursed at all. Feud cursed an excess of a dozen times, for comparison. Not that Crim would know, since he banned me without even listening to what I had to say after about five seconds on chat. Note I wasn't there for the last part of this event, I left chat and joined back some thirty minutes later, said hello, and was banned. As for banning Ms it seems like Crim claims that three/four people other than Feud immediately asked him to, but he seems to keep switching his story, and no one knows who these people are. Strange, because at least six people were asking for Feud to be banned. Tr0llis (talk) 13:46, January 25, 2015 (UTC)
    • I'm not going to comment on the argument, since I missed most of it, but I must say the following: Mscoree is too often associated with his "cronies". Their mistakes (if they do in fact make any) should not be and aren't a reflection of Mscoree himself, yet they are treated as such. Although I do understand that Ms does make mistakes and did make quite a few in the past, other people's mistakes shouldn't have anything to do with him. SkyGreen24 16:55, January 25, 2015 (UTC)
    • I'm afraid that, whilst I was away, Ms appears to have reverted, at least in part, back to his old self. I am therefore removing my Aye vote and will abstain from the voting. I have also editted my earlier endorsement by striking through sentiments that I no longer hold. Nothing personal, Ms; it'll come some day. Reximus | Talk to Me! 06:06, January 30, 2015 (UTC)
    • Ms didn't revert back to anything. Good to hear it's working though. Harvenard2 (talk) 11:46, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

Saturn120

Saturn is a very active member of our community. His TL, Hitler The Artist, and his massive contributions to map games was cause for his nomination in the stirlings for Best New Contributor. He is active on chat and has even created a guide to aid new users looking at joining map games. Thus, I hereby nominate Saturn120 Toby2: THEY CALL ME Mr. Awesome!!! 00:44, March 8, 2015 (UTC)

  • Discussion

We have no need for any more TSPTF members at the moment, in my honest opinion. Although Sat would make a good constable, he needs to work on his maturity. Sat is definately a candidate if we get a boom of new users, perhaps nearing the Summer.  Consul Ioshua (Talk) 

My concern is the same as Josh's. Although I like Sat, I don't think he's ready for constable. I am that guy (talk) 01:01, March 8, 2015 (UTC)

While I agree that we have way too many TSPTF members, I also believe that we have to many inactive TSPTF members. We should streamline the force, recruit new members, and promote longtime members such as Crimson and MP to Brass. The Hurian Database Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 01:13, March 8, 2015 (UTC)


First of all, Thank you Toby for the nomination. Why I would want to be a constable would be the fact that I am a very active member and person in the chat community. My timelining skills might not be as active as others, but I think I have usually settle arguments inbetween individual users well and have undone a good amount of vandalism by trolls. Although some users may say I am too immature for the position, I think that other users should work on theirs as well. It's a whole chat-wide thing, imo. Therefore, I accept this nomination. Saturn120 01:48, March 8, 2015 (UTC)


As an fyi, Sat - my vote isn't a strike against you, necessarily, or that I think you'd necessarily do a bad job. I just don't think you're ready at this time. So you know. Lordganon (talk) 10:41, March 17, 2015 (UTC)

Feudalplague

Feudalplague is a very active member on alt hist wiki and has made many contributions on map games, editing them, correcting them for accuracy and mediating disputes. He has been a member for almost two years and has around 6,700 edits. He is very active on chat and accessible via his talk page. He would make a positive addition and help improve this wikia. --Daeseunglim (talk) 02:33, March 8, 2015 (UTC)

  • Supporters
  • Opposers
    • I am voting no because to be honest I think Feud needs time without the stress to figure things out. He seems to not always be mentally there in chat, in the past few months having a number of explosive incidents that I believe were questionable. I haven't really seem him resolve disputes, much to the contrary. For example see the recent controversy banning Ms, where he didn't help, but rather threw his opinion into the fray and seemingly made things worse. He claims to be a successful moderator for popular games, but if I recall his actions as a moderator in PM3 are what got the whole game against him, and basically forced him to resign. I haven't seen him make amends with anyone really, let alone Viva. And for the most part I have not seen him talk respectfully (maybe because he tends to argue with me). Not to mention the numerous times he's been drunk or high on chat (recently he stated that substance abuse has not decreased), and the many times his friends have logged on to his account. I'm sorry Feud, I understand you have personal issues, and I feel for you, but I unfortunately must vote no. Harvenard2 (talk) 03:48, March 8, 2015 (UTC)
    • Cannot give support to this. Lordganon (talk) 11:46, March 11, 2015 (UTC)
    • I was originally on Feud's side, but just sitting in chat for a moment gave way to another incident by him, so I am voting no. Tr0llis (talk) 12:16, March 11, 2015 (UTC)
    • NFSreloaded (talk) 10:29, March 12, 2015 (UTC)
    • Fritzmet (talk) 14:19, March 12, 2015 (UTC)
    • Ratcolor (talk) 13:33, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
    • Eric von Schweetz T C IM] boarder
  • Discussion

I will accept this nomination, Thank you daes. I have been a rather active member for 2 years now (with a few months away to handle my own personal issues) During which i have been relatively willing to resolve disputes and help people out, i have attempted my own TL's but due to lack of time to really do research i have not really had time to work on them, but i have made some notable advisements of other peoples Time lines and continue to do so. As well as this i have moderated, and continue to moderate two of the wikis biggest mapgames with relatively good results (even going against the grain to a good degree to acheive a solid result). I also have done a few vandalism fights over the past year, mostly just reverting edits, not having to take it to TSPTF page to handle (usually cause someone was there to handle it on chat). As for issues i have had with other users, i usually have one extremely hostile user for the past two elections of which i have made amends with, Particularly Viva, me and him have worked well past our differences and are able to speak to eachother respectfully and like grown adults. I wish to promote this behaviour as well to prevent vendettas or hatred against users (without good reason) If accepted i will work to promote this behaviour, fight further vandalism, and attempt to promote growth of the Wiki as well. 

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JoshTheRoman

JoshTheRoman has been on here for a good deal of time as of now, and in that period of time, he has accomplished more than most of us have in our whole careers. His flagship timeline, Bellum Romanum, made with the help of Mscoree, is well-written, thought-provoking, and very well organized. He remains active on that timeline, alongside several smaller ones with very interesting PoDs and a couple of map games. Josh also is often on chat and interacting with the community, offering help to many users on their various endeavors. I have no doubt that he will be an asset to the TSPTF if he makes it. —Bfoxius (talk)

  • Objectors
  • Discussion
    • ​I want to thank Bfoxius for the nomination, as I accede this nomination. I would be inclined to point out that I usually spend most of my time (not gaming, out with friends ir loved ones, or doing school-related work) here, at the Alternate History Wiki. I frequently try and be a benefactor to the wiki at all times. I try and help newcomers feel welcomed and if they are ready, start a timeline (I recently created a small guide). At times, doing requests of banners for any timeline that asks for it. I truely hope that I get elected as member of the TSPTF. I would also like to thank all my supports during this nomination, and once again, accept it.  Consul Ioshua (Talk) 
    • This page alone should indicate that Josh is an asset to the community. Excelsior! Benkarnell (talk) 15:46, April 12, 2015 (UTC)

Upvoteanthology

Upvoteanthology has been here, on this wiki for about half a year, but has contributed much more than any other person on this wiki per month. Upvote's main and flagship timeline, Vikings in the New World, has attracted much attention and has gained quite a fanbase. Trumping 234 pages and counting as the date of this nomination, Vikings in the New World has definitely become a timeline to serve as an example. Even disregarding his timeline, Upvote has served this community in many other ways, such as creating extraordinary maps or graphics and creating outstanding timelines such as Diversa Pars. Upvote has been greatly trusted by the community as an example of him being a moderator or owner of Alternate Nations 4 or Axis vs Allies. In addition to this, Upvote is frequently on chat. I put trust in this nomination that if it succeeds, Upvote will indubitably be a commendable member of the TSPTF. - JoshTheRoman

LightningLynx89

  • LightningLynx has been a wonderful contributor to our community lately, contributing to pieces such as Grand Union, Reverse a Dragon and a Titan, as well as other pieces. LL has also been a decent chat user, not getting too worked up and taking care of situations sanely, which I think is a sure sign that he's capable of this task. He also shows leadership and maturity, which are key pieces to the wiki. I think would be a mistake not to vote him in. Saturn120 22:52, October 4, 2015 (UTC)
  • Supporters
  • Objectors
    • If this is the kind of attitude they have with an admin, I'd cringe at the thought of what they'd do as an admin.[1][2][3] A BIG no vote from me. -- NuclearVacuum Russian America 23:08, October 4, 2015 (UTC)
    • Spartian300 (talk) 16:04, October 5, 2015 (UTC)
    • Not feeling it, sorry I am that guy (talk)
    • Sorry, but I see this only leading to more problems. Lynx is notorious for exploding on people in chat and clashing with the TSPTF on occasion. It's no good having TSPTF members who only cause conflict with each other, it's important to be able to work well and communicate within. Furthermore I have concerns about Lynx's maturity/ability, he hasn't done much anti-vandalism work for example in recent memory, and on chat I've only seen him cause problems (troll, antagonize, curse constantly), not solve them. Harvenard2 (talk) 23:47, October 6, 2015 (UTC)
    • Although Lynx has made attempts to make amends with people in the past, I still feel his frequent bursts of cursing fits and arguments are a problem. And as noted above Lynx seems proud of his past arguments and subsequent kicks from certain admins, and I don't think a potential moderator should have preexisting problems with the already established TSPTF. Fritzmet (talk)
    • Very obivous reasons I could state for this. But I think that I should refrain from writing essays on the TSTPF page because that seems to be a trend. #PraiseRoosevelt.
    • Although I like Lynx I don't think he's ready for this. I also disagree with what Josh said, Lynx is pretty openly bias toward certain people. Not to mention during Upvote's impeachment Lynx was one of the main people called into question as being a part of a certain group (and a part of its seemingly bias or unfair actions). Tr0llis (talk)
    • No Bloody way. Lordganon (talk) 11:40, October 8, 2015 (UTC)
    • Perhaps a few months ago, but not anymore.                 SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   23:22, October 9, 2015 (UTC)
    • He swears a lot, and has insulted me. Vatonica
    • Sorry Lync but your barely active and you swear a lot when your on chat. Awesome history 28 (talk) 17:03, October 16, 2015 (UTC)
  • Discussion
    • This is really cool actually. I thank Sat for the nomination and hopefully I can do this wiki proud. I can promise you I will not be a 100% perfect mod, no one can. I don't think any mod can be perfect. Though hopefully I can do this wiki proud in a sense. I have been with this wiki for a long time now, I think 3 years almost. I've seen a lot of changes occur and hopefully I can help move this place forward and make it better...... Because I'm Just... Too... SSSWWWEEEEEETTT!!!
    • I find it funny that two people like Harv and Fritz would try and vote against me. When I in the past have made up with Fritz and have moved on from him. Even going as far as making sure we don't acknowledge one another. Yet he seemingly forgets that he is the antagonizer and the one who indeed causes the most trouble on chat. The same could also be said for Harv. ..... Because I'm Just... Too... SSSWWWEEEEEETTT!!!

Ace009

I would like to nominate Ace009 for constable. He has proven to be a trustworthy, polite, and reliable user. I find him to a great help around the wiki, and he has contributed to several TLs. He is, frankly, one of the best users on here. Spartian300 (talk) 16:04, October 5, 2015 (UTC)

  • Discussion
    • As much as I'd like Ace as a mod, he will only cause trouble for the wiki. He is also very biased. AM
    • 2 things, Edge. 1. It is in the past. 2. How am I biased, Andreas? And to be frank, I have considered this and honestly, Spartian, I respectfully decline your nomination. I am just not ready for TSPTF responsibility. And this is truly with all honesty. Through Stars We Rise. (Welcome to the Universe). 01:11, October 9, 2015 (UTC)
    • I thought this was a joke at first but apparently it isn't. ~ Scraw 23:22, October 9, 2015 (UTC)

WILDSTARSKAORI

Kaori, often referred to as WILD, is a very non biased, polite, and mature user on the wiki. While he does not have many edits here, he is certainly very active on chat and also manages several wikis of his own. WILD has also been a member here for a good amount of time and is certainly able to handle responsibility. Instating WILD as a Constable would be very beneficial to us and our wiki's security. United Republic

  • Supporters
    • ​Wild is a nice user, and fits all requirements. I understand that he's newer, but the best of the current candidates. Vatonica (talk) 02:34, October 10, 2015 (UTC)
  • Objectors
    • Barley active. Hasn't done anything to warrent this. #PraiseRoosevelt.
    • Sorry WILD, I just think you need more time and experience before I think you are capable of anything. From what I have heard and seen, it's not easy being a TSPTF member, and I still think you have a lot of ways to go before I can consider you. Saturn120 22:36, October 9, 2015 (UTC)
    • Fritzmet (talk) 22:45, October 9, 2015 (UTC)
    • Too new of a user, as well as too inactive and too inexperienced. Cookiedamage (talk) 22:45, October 9, 2015 (UTC)
    •                 SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   23:22, October 9, 2015 (UTC)
    •  NuclearVacuum Russian America 02:13, October 10, 2015 (UTC)
    • No bleedin' way. Lordganon (talk) 04:49, October 10, 2015 (UTC)
    • The best of the candidates but he's new and he needs more experience to become a mod. If wild was more active and a more established user then ill vote for him. Awesome history 28 (talk) 17:03, October 16, 2015 (UTC)
    • —Bfoxius (talk)
  • Discussion

Edgeofnight

Sometimes I forget that Edge isn't actually in the TSPTF because he basically acts like he is all the time. He has all of the attributes of a good TSPTF member, has lots of experience on the wiki, and can deal with and resolve dispute. He has also been diligent in informing us of events in the past and I think making him a constable in the next logical step. Edge should have been a constable a while back and he should definitely become one now.                 SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   21:26, November 18, 2015 (UTC)

No thank you, Sir.

  • Discussion
    • I shall abstain (for now) Toby2: THEY CALL ME Mr. Awesome!!!
    • I'm debating whether or not to vote in favor or against. Edge has not been active at all for about a week or two. Guten Tag. Sprechen Sie mit der Kaiser hier.
    • Edge has not reponded to this nom in some time. I will remove it. Scraw 17:23, November 29, 2015 (UTC)
    • I did say I was going on vacation. Would have been nice to have a talk page notice. Too late now? #PraiseRoosevelt.
    • Going to go ahead and Accept the nomination. I plan on become an active chat memeber once more. I reguarlly solve conflicts without the use of moderator powers. With mod powers, I could continue to do so. #PraiseRoosevelt. 03:10, December 2, 2015 (UTC)

Nathan1123

Nathan is intelligent and knows how to deal with people who are not. In my mind, this makes him an ideal candidate for the TSPTF. He can be trusted and has shown good judgement in the past. He is also one of the most active users right now, especially in chat, where he would be able to use his powers most usefully. I think Nathan is a great candidate with a great future in the TSPTF and I was going to nominate him weeks ago but I forgot.                 SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   21:26, November 18, 2015 (UTC)

Firesofdoom

I think that after getting rid of several inactive TSPTF, we need to bring in new people to the TSPTF. Fires is a very active user, who has developed good relationships with many members of the wiki. I think he can do the job well. Vatonica (talk) 02:09, January 28, 2016 (UTC)

Feudalplague

Feud has been a member of the wiki since 2013, he won a sterling for best new contributor and he has grown as a person since then. He has recently shown his level-headedness in chat and his dedication towards  the community via 95T so I believe he is ready to become a constable of the TSPTF SkyGreen24 15:20, March 2, 2016 (UTC)


  • Supporters
  • Objectors
    • I love feud but I don't think he has been active enough recently  OCT MARIUS, Hail Marius User talk:Octavian Marius
    • لا إله إلا الله † وعيسى ابن الله 01:49, March 10, 2016 (UTC)
    • Reximus | Talk to Me! 01:34, March 10, 2016 (UTC)
    • Like him as a guy, like him as a contributor, but I have the same reservations as Rex & Edge. FP(Now 10% edgier!!!) 16:54, March 10, 2016 (UTC)
    • The Xania Encyclopedia Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 01:31, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
    • I have made up my mind. This will be a fairly long post, but stay with me here as I try to justify this. Feud is a great contributor. Although I will continue to defend his legitimacy as a fair user and map game mod, I can not foresee any good coming out of his nomination as a mod. Feud is arguably the first user on this wiki who I would consider my friend, and he helped me come to understand how things work and ultimately paved the path for me to become a Pm3 mod, and eventually constable. But his time in Pm3 had many questionable decisions. Too many times he was stuck in the gray area when it came to the efficacy of his actions and decisions, both as a player and as a mod. Although he has noticeably improved, what I have observed from 95T and especially Dawn of War has left me with the conclusion that he is still to often in the gray area. This has lead to him returning to his status as a polarizing user, with several of the people who voted Yes for him here believing he should be removed as a 95T mod because of his often stubborn appearance. Although he has made a return appereance with the launch of 95T, After his last attempted return with Dawn of War, I am left to question how long he will remain here. I apologize Feud, I hope you understand my reservations that have led me to vote no. #PraiseRoosevelt. 02:52, March 16, 2016 (UTC)
    •                 SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   23:23, March 16, 2016 (UTC)
  • Discussion
    • I accept this nomination. Would definitely like to see my advancement in the community and took alot of time off to work on myself and fix alot of my previous attitude issue. As it stands i would really like to get back into the wiki and advance within the administrative system and really be help to the site in general.
    • I'm choosing to abstain. Let me justify this before you tell me I'm backstabing a friend or anything. I think his current status a a mod in 95T has shown his dedication, but has also made him a polorizing user, even among the TSTPF ranks. I have no doubts about Feud's ablity, but his status as a chadmin would excacrbate certin issues that must be adressed first and foremost. #PraiseRoosevelt. 03:47, March 9, 2016 (UTC)
    • I will probably also object, mildly. Again, Feud is a great guy and a real workhorse, but I have a few reservations. The first would be that he is unproven as a Chat Admin, where he is regulary heartily invovled in debates. Without attacking any other current TSPTF'ers in particular, we have recently seen how oft-debating users with Chat Admin powers can backfire. Secondly, I get the impression Feud doesn't see himself as active. This is proven when he states "[a]s it stands I would really like to get back into the wiki." Now, Feud has been away from the wiki for a little bit, but his recent return has largely been limited to 95T, and not general administrative functions, let alone timelineering. Some great users are better in the user base than in the TSPTF base. Reximus | Talk to Me! 01:34, March 10, 2016 (UTC)
    • Feud has issues with authority. While I do not doubt his committment to responsibility, one too many occassions has he abused his power, times I have predicted and pointed out time and time again. Perhaps another time, but not now. And Rex has a point. Feud normally isn't active on the wiki, and when he is, he tends to leave rather quickly. Feud himself has stated that he is always busy, so at what point would Feud be able to execute his duties as a constable? There are other users out there are more active and willing to regulate themselves with regards to the powers they have been given. The Xania Encyclopedia Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 01:31, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
    • I share Edge's sentiments except I spell them correctly. -Scraw 04:05, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
    • I share Scraw's entiments but I am not annoying. #PraiseRoosevelt. 01:45, March 14, 2016 (UTC)
    •  *sentiments -FP(Now 10% edgier!!!) 12:18, March 14, 2016 (UTC)
    • I would like to just point out that Feud hasn't been on the wiki - let alone contributed - for four days now. This just goes to show, what I see, as his relatively sporadic level of activity: here and then gone. Again, he is a great user and contributor, but the fact he cannot stay active at least during his TSPTF nomination is a bit disturbing and an indicator for the future. Reximus | Talk to Me! 05:19, March 18, 2016 (UTC)
    • I Took a trip to Colorado for Spring break and also had friends in town for spring break. As much as i love this wiki, spending time with friends i havent seen in 6 months took some precedence. The Wings of Freedom #FP (Talk to Me)

United Republic

Here is a user I believe to be criminally underrated. He is someone who cares about the future of the wiki, and has written some kickass timelines to show for it. Definitely think he is ready for the next step. #PraiseRoosevelt. 01:30, March 10, 2016 (UTC)

  • Discussion
    • I graciously accept the nomination bestowed upon me. I want to become more involved in this wiki, and I know being a TSPTF mod will certainly help me achieve that. While, in the past, my behavior was unsatisfactory, I know that I will be a better user now than I was then.  Long Live the King!
    • I personally tend to like UR, but I just don't see him as the type of unifying user who we ought to have on the TSPTF. After conversing with other users on chat, it has become apparent that, while UR has the potential to do great things in the future, this nomination has come a bit prematurely. Reximus | Talk to Me! 16:58, March 10, 2016 (UTC)
      • After reconsidering and talking with a wider variety of users, I will abstain. Good luck, UR. Reximus | Talk to Me! 04:52, March 16, 2016 (UTC)
    • I must respectfully disagree with Rex on this one. UR has proven to me on a number of occassions that he is both responsible and amicable toward other users. I would be proud to give him my seal of approval, and I would encourage others to recognize that UR has what it takes to be a reponsible representative of this wiki as a constable. The Xania Encyclopedia Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 01:35, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
    • I fully and absolutely support UR's progressive and reformer ideals. Vatonica (talk) 02:00, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
    • I feel that UR can be immature at times and does not know how to stop when someone tells him to stop. He is a good on his TL, but in the chats he is a different person. In the futere if he could mature he would be a fine for the position. - Scarlet Outlaw
    • For the sake of clarity, and so potential voters can better judge UR's suitability as a Constable, I would like to bring to light this event from September last year, in which UR displayed some rather irresponsible behaviour. Personally, I am keeping my vote for UR, because I think he has grown since then into a much more mature and responsible user, but I thought I'd remind you all of this event for the record. FP(Now 10% edgier!!!) 21:37, March 17, 2016 (UTC)
      • I do very much regret those despicable and inhumane acts that I committed against several users; as well as complete disregard for the wiki's laws. I trust that my supporters, and even my opponents, will know that what happened in the past is in the past, and that it is the man's current character that counts.  Long Live the King!
      • Despite UR's apology, the above has caused me to change my vote. I think that, though I like UR, I do not want this king of drama within the TSPTF. Vatonica (talk) 20:36, March 21, 2016 (UTC)
      • 'King of Drama' is a tad excessive methinks. FP(Now 10% edgier!!!) 21:26, March 21, 2016 (UTC)
      • I'm very sorry. I meant to say "kind" not "king". Vatonica (talk) 23:11, March 21, 2016 (UTC)
      • Haha I'll let you off then. FP(Now 10% edgier!!!) 19:02, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

ForsakenPear

We've recently discovered that there is a lack of constables in the TSPTF. In fact, the Brass+Lt outnumber Constables, something which isn't quite intended to ocurr. So what to do? Nominate someone! And personally, I see FP as my go-to option. He's been here since 2011, so he's here longer than many of the current TSPTF members. He's a very level-headed person, who does not get into fights with other users and is fairly respected among his peers. He also lives in the UK, which means we'd have chatmods to cover the times where most of the American TSPTF is asleep or crying. He has shown dedication in the wiki lately and has finally been active for a longer while. Last but not least, he's sensual. SkyGreen24 18:48, April 5, 2016 (UTC)

Everyone's Favorite School Girl, Kaori!

  • Objectors
  • Discussion
    • ​I accept this (rather sensual) nomination, and I really hope that (if accepted) I can help wherever I can to keep this place running, and assist in its rise back to the bygone days of glory. I'll try my best to keep vandals out, keep good contributors in, and keep things civil and constructive. I also get fed up with constant chat flame wars, so it would be nice to keep that in check, without killing the freedom of chat. FP(Now 10% edgier!!!) 11:36, April 7, 2016 (UTC)
    • Oct, I wrote that bio in September of last year when I had just returned from a year-long absence. I have since rarely missed a day. But thank you for reminding me of that, I was meaning to fix it at some point. FP(Now 10% edgier!!!) 14:11, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

WILDSTARSKAORI

WILDSTARSKAORI (or WILD for short) is a very trustworthy and active user on this site. WILD has operated several wikis and has been very successful in keeping order and organization. Not to mention WILD is one of the most likable and peaceful users on chat. For this, I certainly believe WILD should be granted the title of Constable.

Cheers,
United Republic #FeelTheUR

  • Discussion
    • Viva why did you vote twice? By the grace of god Count of maine, Forcalquier, Anjou, and Provence, prince of albania and his highness the dauphin of France Belial. 15:49, June 15, 2016 (UTC)
    • WILD is not nominated for admin, WILD is nominated for constable. @Sean ~UR
    • Viva's remark under "objections" is not a vote against WILD, but rather a remark in favor. At best it is a response to the opposition. At worst, it cancels out his support. --SouthWriter (talk) 16:26, June 15, 2016 (UTC)
    • Ok so I am going to try and keep this brief but I will explain my opposition in a way that is coherent as possible. First, I challenge people to think to themselves of one thing that Wild had done since joining the wiki, without checking his user page first. If you are able to think of anything, its probably Land of Empires (I asked the users on chat and this is also what I got). So when evaluating my vote, I went to check Land of Empires. If you pull up this page, there is some troubling things here. First and foremost there has been little progress, but secondly, the main page admits that there will be inconsistencies in the timeline. Now none of this is to undermine Wild's contributions, but there have been users who have done far, far more for the wiki and have been rejected. Three times at that (looking at Feud). Wild is a likeable and peaceful user, but those do not merit promotion to the TSTPF. #PraiseRoosevelt. 02:15, June 16, 2016 (UTC)
    • Okay, a little bit of administrative direction here.  First, Wild has not posted a defense as to why she has accepted the nomination.  Second, UR did not include the date on his nomination.  It is better to use the built in signature format (four tildes), especially in these cases.  No voting should have begun without Wild actually accepting by posting reasons why she wants the position.  As far as the objections, to object a nominee because a "better" candidate did not get elected in the past, imho, is rather lame.  The objectors casting "no" votes for "chat admin" have entered the wrong "voting booth"  In closing, until Wild formally accepts the nomination with a public statement, she is not on the ballot and the time limit is not in force. --SouthWriter (talk) 16:41, June 16, 2016 (UTC)
    • I hereby officially accept the nomination for the constable. Lots of love,

Everyone's Favorite Girl, Kaori! 23:05, June 16, 2016

    • There you have it, folks. Voting is now officially started. Tell us why you want the job, Wild. --SouthWriter (talk) 04:32, June 17, 2016 (UTC)
    • First off I don't understand any of the objectors reasons for why wild hasn't been a mod. One of the reasons wild says stuff not appropriate for mods so what? I have seen numerous TSPTF members often say very inappropriate stuff and insult users and wild rarely does this with the image being a regular example. Secondly not nomming wild because fires wasn't nominated is an idiotic reason, that's like saying you don't want a xbox because you couldn't get a Play station and besides these reasons no users have stated their qualms with wild as an user which is on of the few users who doesn't start flame wars and generate trash on chat, and has proven his effectiveness as a mod on his other wikis. By the grace of god Count of maine, Forcalquier, Anjou, and Provence, prince of albania and his highness the dauphin of France Belial. 03:12, June 17, 2016 (UTC)
  • It seems that we have a tie if we consider all votes valid and let them stand. We have plenty of time, though. I think we have to verify those objectors that don't know what we're voting on. --SouthWriter (talk) 04:32, June 17, 2016 (UTC)
  • Kaori, could you please tell us why you want this job? Accepting the nomination is only part of the process. It is also required that you tell us why you want the office, and the responsibilities, that come with being a constable. I will reserve my judgment as to even vote (not being particularly active) until this requirement is fulfilled. SouthWriter (talk) 19:45, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

Reximus55

Rex is an experienced, active, and good contributor to our wiki. He has something around 20,000 edits, and has been on the wiki since 2013. He is good at keeping the wiki organized, and has categorized and spell checked a fair amount of pages. He has modded many map games, most recently Game of Nations and Principia Moderni 4. Overall, he is a great user, and helps make this wiki a fun place to be on. For those reasons, I think he should be awarded the position of constable.

-Fires, The Centiqueer Beluga Whale (Respect my identity!)
  • Discussion
    • I would like to thank Fires for the nomination, accept, and outline the reasons why I believe I would make a fine community servant as a TSPTF'er. In the past, when a nomination to the TSPTF faced me (both times which I declined), I thought of it as a way to gain more power. That is the wrong mindset to have going into this office, and I now realize just how much it is about being a servant to others on the wiki. I've attempted to help others in a much deeper capacity in recent times and I believe I've also grown more mature from when I joined many years ago. I believe that, as a TSPTF member, I can help speak for the community as well as continue to perform regular fixes to our community. As you all know, I've been on crusades against improper grammar/spelling (not on Eoguy proportions, but still) and against categorization which go against the Wiki Rules. I humbly ask for your vote so that I can represent you at the TSPTF level. Thank you once again. I'd also be more than willing to address any concerns that may be raised in potential opposition. Reximus | Talk to Me! 17:57, June 23, 2016 (UTC)
    • Since Fires has neglected to do so I will note the time of the nomination as 17:56, June 23, 2016 (UTC). Seriously guys, it's not that hard to put one extra ~. FPNow 10% edgier!!! 21:13, June 23, 2016 (UTC)
    • My sig is on subst meaning it drops all the code of the template when I do ~ ~ ~ ~ so i just put in the template name like this Prince Octavian , of Jerusalem, Sicily, and Swabia, and Duke of Amalfi. . Prince Octavian , of Jerusalem, Sicily, and Swabia, and Duke of Amalfi.
    • Ok so I am going to abstain for the time being. I should also note that at the time i submit this, there are no regular user votes. My grounds for abstaining are as follows: While Rex has shown to have cleaned up his act, I have to hesitate to support his nomination given how he handled things in PM3, and with PM4 starting again I have to wonder wether the problems I had with his actions will resurface soon. On the same vein, he has done an extensive amount of work on PM4, so I can not bring myself to vote no. I will think on it and read what people have to say about it. #PraiseRoosevelt.
    • Notice that this is for constable, and Rex is in all ways compotent to become a chat mod.  File:SPQR Emblem Transparent.pngConsul Ioshua

#Beware! 17:11, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

LightingLynx89

Since his last nomination LL has shown massive improvements in his attitude, his outbursts almost never occur, and he has made amends with many of the people who he used to be on bad terms with (Or they where cronies who where banned). I think him becoming chadmin would only help him to improve more, and I think that he would be able to help the wiki. Now people may think he will abuse any power given, but we always have the impeachment process should that occur, and I don't think LL would be the type to do such a thing. #BRINGBACK THESQUIRREL 01:11, August 1, 2016 (UTC)


Upvoteanthology

Another week another constable nomination. I can't put in words how happy I am to say this: Upvoteanthology has returned! After a messy impeachment she left us, but it's safe to say that a majority are rejoiced to see her.

Let's skip the emotions, Upvote has been a wonderful editor and is ready to get back to working on the wiki and for the wiki. I hope the wikians agree with me.

SkyGreen24 21:53, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

  1. Practicality: With the sheer amount of chadmins,admins, and brass, it is not uncommon to see a chat that has more active moderators than users. Electing Upvote will have no practical benefit. We don't need more chadmins. Josh, Nate, Ur, Scraw, Mp, Sky, Viva, Me, and to a lesser extent Toby, are all active members of chat with chadmin powers. When chat only has 10-20 users on at a time, we don't need more than what we currently have, and I know some believe that we have too many chadmins currently. 
  2. Eligibility: Upvote's eligibility is left open to interpretion, and that shouldn't be the case. Upvote, including edits conducted today, has had 43 edits in the past year. Upvote has not activily contributed in over a year, and this is not as if her edits where epic novels that changed the landscape of the wiki. Many of these edits have simply been votes for or against certain users nominations to the TSTPF. The requirments state that a user must have 6 months of active contributions. Upvote hasn't been active in a year.
  3. Precedent: Let us analyze a similar case: ForsakenPear, hence refered to as FP. FP has a simlar case to what Upvote is going through. He came back after a period of inactivity and was well recited. After a few weeks of active editing, FP was nominated for chadmin, and won by a sufficient margin. However, Fp has now vanished. Now he may come back in the coming weeks and months, but what is to say that he will? The issue committed here is that we nominated someone only a few weeks after making a return, when there was nothing to indicate that there return was long term. Upvote has only had a few hours on the wiki before she was nominated for chadmin. Are we just going to nom every popular user for a promotion every time they take a vacation? If Nate left for 6 months and came back, would we nom him for Admin? Noming upvote before she has even had a day to prove her commitment is wrong and sets a bad precedent
  4. Now let me explain the issue behind Corrective Justice. Corrective Justice refers to when an individual offers some sort of repayment for a past injustice. Now this may not be an example of corrective justice, but having talked to several users who have voted for Upvote today has led me to the conclusion that many see this as a chance to "correct" Up's impeachment. While many may not see the problem with this, let me explain. If we vote for Upvote now as a means to correct the past, we will never be able to move forward. Rather than having her be promoted of her own merit, her potion as chadmin will always be because she was wronged. Anytime Upvote gets into an argument, or comits an abuse of power, we will be brought back to Upvote's impeachment. The only way to move on is to accept the past is the past, and to allow Upvote to climb the ranks as any other user would.

I have more that can be added, but I would rather keep things at a civil level. I hope that we can discuss this intellgently, because the users on chat that supported this acted childish and immature. #BRINGBACK THESQUIRREL 01:04, August 16, 2016 (UTC)

  • Josh, put your signature in a template. KAORI, your signature is too big. Scraw 21:33, August 16, 2016 (UTC)
  • I will make the same pledge as Scraw, here, for all to see. If Upvote is still around and active in 6, hell even 3 months, I will support her for chadmin. #BRINGBACK THESQUIRREL

Thewolvesden/Andy

Andy is a prominent user of the newer generations. He is often active, a calm and reasonable person, excluding his excessive sighing. I personally consider him a great candidate for chatmod, seeing as he always tries to help people on chat and reports vandals and trolls to me ASAP. I personally would also like to have another european chat mod to keep peace during hours where the majority are asleep. In conclusion, #Andy4Mod2k16 SkyGreen24 19:54, October 1, 2016 (UTC)

  • Discussion
    • I feel really jaded for this nomination, and I was half-jokingly suggesting it, but I will accept this nomination. I feel we need more chadmins during more inactive hours; Sky is not going to cut it alone. Thanks again for the support. Wolves
    • Am I the only one who noticed Josh voted "first"? Haha... Reximus | Talk to Me! 15:09, October 2, 2016 (UTC)
    • A Much needed level headed mod -Feud
    • Met him for 10 seconds, seems chill ~Gunny Bunny
    • I have been convinced to change my mind. For now #BRINGBACK THESQUIRREL

Firesofdoom

I would nominate Firesofdoom to the position of constable. A prominent user of the newer generation, he is an user fit for such a task, helping out everyone, very responsable and very calm. He is more than fit to be part of the TSPTF and for this, I nominate him for modship. Deadly State of Mind (talk) 16:06, January 8, 2017 (UTC)

  • Supporters
  • Objectors
  • Discussion
    • I accept my nomination, and am excited to help work to make this wiki a better, more organized and more fun place. ~Fires
    • I am abstaining my vote until further notice. While I like Fires as a person, I do question his possible effectiveness in the TSPTF. He has gotten involved in feuds with users in recent time (namely LL) and can take up a somewhat controversial attitude similar to that of the cronies. However, I shall cast my vote before the polls are closed; whether it be for or against.
      (Also, we have a lot of active TSPTF members at the moment.)
       United Republic  Talk  Contribs  King of America    18:36, January 8, 2017 (UTC)

Feud

Feud really has gone above and beyond. Sure he has had his ups and downs, but I gotta say he has helped countless times, and really deserves this promotion. Feud is a user who can be relied upon to keep things running; a greater problem than vandalism in the recent history of the wiki. As such, I an nominating him for a (much deserved) Constabulary. As they say, third time's the charm.

Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:10, June 2, 2017 (UTC)

  • Supporters
  • Objectors
  • Discussion
    • ​I accept on this one :D  Been on the wiki forever, been an active contributor forever as well, i have my own timeline, ive pointed out vandalism, ive modded two of the most prominent map games on the wiki, i give plenty of advice and tips on TL writing as well, i also hope to help incentivise the come back of the Map contests, Short story contests, as well as try to facilitate the development or creation of a new Community Timeline, something that can really get our userbase going in the right directionThe Wings of Freedom #FP (Talk to Me)
    • About time too.  Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:59, June 2, 2017 (UTC)
    • seems legit. With Blood and Iron (talk) 17:16, June 2, 2017 (UTC)
    • I don't think we do have oversaturation to be honest. Most users on the list are retd./on hatius. So probably should update the lists then. Impishly yours, Imp (Say Hi?!) 00:15, June 4, 2017 (UTC)
    • Pinochet was completely correct in his actions on 9/11/73. To this effect, in opposition to the spread of the Communistic threat propagated by some of our members, it is indeed necessary to recruit further among the reactionary forces of the TSPTF. To this end, I support Feud's nomination and hope he will slay many Socialist untermensch. That is all - GBUSA

Person67

Person has been a very active contributor on the wiki in the last few months. He has helped the mods on nummerous occasions with situations regarding vandals and has helped us moderate things. I think it's high time he would be nominated for this. Therefore, I nominate him for the position of constable.              Deadly State of Mind Leader of the Knights of Scraw.  20:23, April 5, 2018 (UTC)

  • Objectors:
  • Discussion: Well, I didn't think AM would do it when he first suggested it to me. I mean yeah I already spend way to much of my life doing nothing in particular on this wiki, being a constable would give me a better excuse to avoid studying and chill here. I think I am a reasonably calm and almost respected user if not occasionally annoying person which makes for good constable qualities, I am also on European timezone which makes me good for the lack of active European mods when things need sorting. I also 'helped' fix that stupid thing where no one could make new articles by just going straight to CC and asking them to fix it. User:Person67
And it is for these reasons that I support Person's elevation to constable. He has proven himself to be resourceful when the need called for decisive action, and he has an active presence within the community that is felt by the other members of the wiki. I see no one else better suited to the role than Person as of the current date. The Xyon Wikia Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 19:30, April 23, 2018 (UTC)
@Crim: Ok now I respect your right to vote whatever way you wish but let's not let my different political opinions be a stain upon my character when you consider the amount of racist and inflammatory mods we already have. They're my opinions which I am entitled to and they're not extreme even for the moderators we have. You want to vote on way fine there are a lot of reason to object but I don't apologise for having opinions contrary to yours. User:Person67
I'm sorry that it seems like I'm voting against you because I disagree with you politically; I assure you that is not my intention. You are free to practice whatever political ideology you please. However, understand that racism should not be tolerated at all by anyone on the wiki, least of all on the TSPTF. To understand that it seems to be practiced by members of the TSPTF is thoroughly upsetting. I encourage anyone who sees such behavior to report it and it will be dealt with appropriately, mod or no. Curmudgeonly yours - Crim 03:55, April 24, 2018 (UTC)

Crim, didn't you threaten to Gulag some of us at one point? Also, HELL YEAH BROTHER.

- HH (GBUSA)

Vandenhoek

It's been some time since we've inducted a new person into the TSPTF and I cannot think of anyone more deserving of this role than Vand. We haven't had someone of this caliber in a while if we're being honest here; the guy's a very talented mapper, he writes detailed althists, and knows how to work a community. Like it or not, map games are a cornerstone of our active community and Vand knows how to not only put together a map game, but keep it fun and enjoyable for those involved, which is no easy task. Furthermore, he is well-liked both on the Discord and the wiki and is always ready and able to provide help to those who ask. I have no doubt in his capabilities to use the powers that come with being a constable responsibly. Let's get this man a role! -Curmudgeonly yours - Crim

  • Supporters:
  • Objectors:
    • He's a great guy, but there's no real need for constables right now. Fires
    • agree with fires, saturation of constables is a problem. Oct
    • -- NuclearVacuum Russian America 23:20, January 20, 2019 (UTC)
  • Discussion:
    • Thank you Crim, I appreciate and accept the nomination. Since I've joined the wiki I've done what I can do undo as much vandalism and report as many trolls that I find. I am pretty active on discord, and am usually the one pinging a constable to add roles to someone. I believe I am a pretty levelheaded person and am good at defusing arguments and bad situations on discord, and I hope to continue that as a constable. On the Discord I would say that there on average only four TSPTF members online, of which one to two are constables, compared to the approximately fifty people usually online on the sidebar. I have also experienced many times where I needed a constable's help to use rollback and no one was online at the time, leading me to pinging a bunch of admins for help, so having this role will help a lot with undoing vandalism and fixing pages. Anyway I hope I will make a good addition to the team, and if I don't get in I will continue doing what I can to help the wiki as a user. Thanks, Vandenhoek (talk) 21:48, January 20, 2019 (UTC)

HawkAussie

HawkAussie has been an active contributor for years now, doing a great deal of work when it comes to categorizing pages, fixing errors, and doing maintenance on the wiki. Although I have not interacted with HawkAussie much personally, I have observed a lot of helpful additions and contributions. He/she would be a great addition to the TSPTF as a constable. Vandenhoek (talk) 03:41, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Voting deadline is the 30th of July Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess 03:46, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Objectors
  • Discussion
    • I've seen HawkAussie's work. He has been an active contributor, who has been cleaning up the wiki. I for one support his nomination.
    • Thank you for the nomination as I do accept this as I am a person who likes to try and contribute in attempting to make this a better place here on the wiki with some maintenance. HawkAussie (Talk) 10:02, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
    • Aussie really deserves to be added to the Force. FirstStooge (talk) 15:23, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Emaliay

Emalia has been a consistently positive presence in Discord as of late. She offers very level-headed but informed responses to questions and topics in chat. It's clear she wants the wiki to make cool things and I can appreciate that. Recently she's been on the Sticks and Stones channel, discussing a scenario involving a certain nuclear near-miss I'm sure we're all familiar with, yet doing something fresh with it. Though she does not edit frequently, she's been known to drop the sickest coat of arms in chat every now and again. I think the server could use a few more archivists and Emalia is the person I trust to do it and do it well. Curmudgeonly yours - Crim 23:41, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

  • Discussion:
    • Thank you Crim for the nomination, I gladly accept and hope to serve to the best of my abilities. Emaliay (talk) 20:21, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
    • Emalia's adept at leading discussions and confronting problems firmly but gently. She'll be great in this role. False Dmitri (talk) 22:06, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
    • I can personally attest that Emalia would make an excellent addition to the TSPTF team. She is extremely talented and knowledgeable, and has the right mindset and attitude necessary to be an effective role model and problem solver. Centrist16 | Talk | Wiki 10:43, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
    • Emalia has long demonstrated qualities which would make her an ideal archivist. She is hard-working, dedicated to both her creative work and the community, and is often the voice of reason when a discord conversation begins to take on undesirable characteristics. She thinks things through in a seemingly logical fashion in order to arrive at a conclusion that satisfies the individuals involved who deserve to be satisfied, typically giving people the benefit of the doubt even in some particularly extreme situations - while also knowing when to put her foot down in a relatively calm and respectful way. She can be authoritative without becoming heavy-handed. In short, she is a conspicuously mature presence in the community and a fantastically talented and imaginative contributor to the Wiki itself, and very much deserves this position. Marrybore (talk) 19:07, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


T0oxi22

I am nominating T0oxi for the position of archivist. Although there have been some negative incidents in the past regarding T0oxi and other users, I now recognize that was a mistake and accept responsibility for that. In fact, I believe she is one of our smartest and hardest working users, having won numerous Multiverse Awards and written some excellent content on this wiki and elsewhere. She is also a mature and friendly member of the community who is active on our Discord server. For these reasons, she will make an exemplary member of the next generation of the TSPTF and I am proud to nominate her for this position. Scrawland Scribblescratch 00:02, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

  • Discussion
    • Thank you to Scraw and the Althistory community for their support in this nomination, I appreciate the kind words. I accept this nomination for archivist, and I look forward to working with the rest of the admin team in continuing to make Althistory a thriving place for alternate history content. T0oxi22 (talk) 22:51, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
    • T0oxi has been a godsend to the community. She already serves an administrative role over on Conworlds and her leadership there has been sound, just, and empathetic. I know without a doubt that she will be able to faithfully fulfill her duties here with a strong record of valuable experience and knowledge. Centrist16 | Talk | Wiki 10:46, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
    • I fully support the nomination of T0oxi to archivist, she is level-headed people and understand the wiki and it's writers, so all good. With regards, Alex (talk) 23:30, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Nickthenick2

Nick has been a credit to the wiki for years, producing well-regarded timelines like McGovern '84 and No New Deal. More recently he's deepened his involvement as a prominent part of the Differently family of timelines, our wiki's most active sub-community and a generator of so much new content. There he has demonstrated leadership, levelheadedness, empathy and an ability to see the big picture. He welcomes new users. He makes positive contributions to discussions on Discord, both the main AHW server and the one for Differently, on which he has already demonstrated his skills as a mod. This is a time when we need to be broadening the TSP Task Force and Nick is exactly the kind of person we need in the role. False Dmitri (talk) 00:59, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

  • Discussion
    • Dimitri, Thank you for this opportunity. I accept and will do what I can in my capacity to serve the wiki. Best, nickthenick2
    • I have seen Nick bring forward a welcoming and accommodating approach in every community he has been a part of. He has been deeply involved in a passionate and energetic subcommunity and I have great confidence and trust that he will be able to bring the skills he has acquired there forward to the table at the TSPTF level. Centrist16 | Talk | Wiki 10:48, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
    • Nick is a great person who listens and collaborates with people on servers (including An Honorable Retelling or Differently). Czechia man 19:00, 29 August 2023 (CEST)
    • I agree with what Czech man said. Nick’s the soundest guy here. He’s willing to take on ideas and constructive criticism, and is extremely friendly to all. Having him as a TSPTF member would, in my Frank opinion, absolutely improve the wiki by miles. Please vote for this lad- he’s a great one, as we Irish would say! Bobblehat plc 18:21, 29 August 2023 GMT/UTC 0
    • I agree with Czech Man and Bobblehat, Nick is a very cool person and a great leader to the AHR timeline, always open to new ideas and peacefully discussing stuff for the timeline.

Trainor90

  • Discussion

Trainor90, known to most of us Discord-side as "Orb", has demonstrated a willingness to go above and beyond the call of duty for the average user. He has a knack for taking upon himself the "little things" required to keep the Wiki and its timelines running smooth and looking fresh, the "thankless work" -- updating flags, fixing and updating templates, correcting typos, brainstorming for more recent updates, commenting on proposals collecting dust, giving feedback to others' POD ideas, and his crowning achievement of 2023 - completing by himself a crisp, canonically up-to-date version of the 1983: Doomsday world map, our first "to-date" map since 2013. Not to mention he is already an experienced administrator; since 2019, he has run his own server to great fanfare.

He not afraid to blow the whistle when he feels that some of the things he is seeing are wrong or dishonest; in Doomsday, his concerns with Sicily led to us on the mod team realizing we should have spent more time looking at the fine print of what was being changed, and the DD community is better off for his intervention there. During the "Revival" period of the 1983: Doomsday community, he was an outspoken advocate in-between the two larger schools of thought and helped us reach compromise on several occasions, especially in the Reviews and Proposals, assisting constructively in the writing and the peer-reviewing processes.

As mentioned above, Trainor is already an experienced administrator, since 2019 he has run the server "LittleBigWorkshop" centered on the gaming series "Little Big Planet". When checking out his server, I was nothing short of impressed with the positive, constructive atmosphere he created. With 700 users, a robust mod team of his own with checks and balances, and even the LittleBigPlanet devs themselves giving his server their blessing, Trainor has a CV which highlights a knack for creating positive spaces for folks across all ages to enjoy; our own Althistory community would benefit from having his perspective and dedication here as well. I think Trainor would make an excellent addition to the Archivist team.

Arstar (talk) 19:36, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Orb will be a great addition, both rolling back vandalism and as a server mod. It's overdue, really - he volunteered to step up quite some time ago. We're lucky to have him. False Dmitri (talk) 03:39, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
Good natured, helpful, overall great user. Would be a great member of the team. FP (talk) 21:07, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Ord is one of the best editors and flagmakers that we have, it would be a waste not to considerate him for adminhood. With regards, Alex (talk) 22:39, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

I appreciate the nomination and accept it wholeheartedly Arstar, and thanks everyone for the consideration and kind words! Trainor90 (talk) 10:05, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

In the interactions I’ve had with Orb, I’ve seen him diligently maintain his pages on the wiki, provide a lot of important contributions, and call out people when they need it. I trust that whatever he dedicates himself to will be accomplished with skill and professionalism. Additionally, he has the endorsement of lots of members of the community whom I trust, so his nomination has my support. TheRealVenusian (talk) 22:54, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Strong consensus to promote. Welcome aboard, Mr Orb. False Dmitri (talk) 22:55, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Lieutenants/Curators

Bob

I have thought this over, and I have decided to withdraw myself from the nominations. I cannot commit myself to this website, no matter how much I'd like to. I am simply not the material you are looking for. I urge you to vote for someone more willing and able to complete the task ahead. South seems ideal. He is focussed, knows his stuff and has an outstandingly wide breadth of knowledge. Thank you. Bob 08:08, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

  • Supporters
  1. I bwlieve he will do a great job in this position, as he has shown to fair, balanced and very helpful to many user, including myself. Tbguy1992 17:02, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Vegas adict 19:19, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
  3. BoredMatt 19:08, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
  • Objectors
  • Discussion
    • A few questions. Has Bob accepted this nomination? If so he does need to explain why he would make a good Lt. Furthemore one of the requirements is that a Lt. be 18 years or older and according to his Facebook page he is only 17 (sorry if this sounds stalkerish Bob but we are friends on Facebook). Nevertheless that requirement will be waived if Bob shows that he has "one and a half years' worth of solid contribution to the site." Bob you are going to have to address that before I vote. Mitro 19:50, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
    • I must add that this isn't a reflection on the quality of alternate histories offered, because I have had serious concerns about Bob's efforts in that regard at times past. At the same time, Bob has proved tractable by the wider group @ 1983:DD, and I think that Bob could make a fair administrator, provided the questions posed by Mitro are answered. Louisiannan 06:45, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
    • Why does age actualy matter Mitro, someones age doesn't affect there ability to be an administrator I knew a Thirteen year old who made a very good Admin on another wiki. Why then does it matter that Bob is 17 if he is capable of conducting his duties as an Admin and explains why he wants to be one? Vegas adict
    • Like all other "job descriptions," there have to be some limits. The fact that a 13 year-old proved to be good at managing a wiki does not mean that he could have the knowledge and experience to monitor the time lines of this wiki. That goes for an unexperienced minor even of the age of 17. In a wiki with such complicated subject matter, maturity matters. Alternate history must be based on facts and research, not fantasy and creativity. Seeing the "big picture" comes with having lived life out in the "real world" - with life experiences and research skills that put an editor and writer to the test. This is not a "power play" on the part of adults, but rather a restraint on over-active imaginations when dealing with problems that arise in real life. SouthWriter 19:49, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
    • South, someone of seventeen might have just as much experience as someone of eighteen and although facts and research are very important in writing Alternate History creativity isn't allways a bad thing. Its the ability to take a creative/crazy idea and back it up with research and facts that makes a good AH writer. I learned that the hard way doing part of my technology coursework last year as well as on other wikis, there's no reason people younger than 18 and with less than a year and a half's worth of contributions aren't capable of having that mix as well. I suppose i'm continuing with this because i am under eighteen and am trying to prove my point without giving you more to use. P.S why do you use quotation marks so much?Vegas adict 21:11, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
    • South makes some good points, but also Vegas you need to read the next part of the rule: or have one and a half years' worth of solid contribution to the site. Thus under that guidelines a 13 year old could be an admin as well. I tried to make this as fair as possible to everyone. Also I gave people weeks to comment on this procedure when it was still a proposal. Such a discussion on the rules/requirements is better left to the talk page, but not someone's nomination. BTW, this nomination is not complete yet. Bob still needs to accept it and explain why he should have the job. Mitro 21:13, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
    • I am aware of that but to make it truely fair all people applying for Administrator rights should have a year and a half's experience. I am aware that i would not have been able to qualify under that but I am of the belief that neither race, disability, gender or age should effect choosing someone for a job but it should instead be entirely based on there contributions and there relations with other users. I am also aware i should have raised this complaint earlier but when you were asking people to have a look at the new system I was in Devon and Kosovo with very litle internet access. Perhaps this is idealistic but thats what you get for being a member of the UK's youth parliamentVegas adict 21:34, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
    • Age already effects a person's ability to get a job. How many 15 year olds work for major corporations? Not only that but there is age discrimination that is written into the laws of various countries. Drinking ages, driving ages, age limits on joining the military, child labor laws, voting ages, etc. Nevertheless, maybe you are right about the rule, but I am not going to change midway through a nomination. As long as Bob meets the exception then he is good to go. Mitro 21:45, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

SouthWriter

  • Supporters
  1. I'm unsure as to whether South would like to be a lieutenant but if he accepts I believe he will be a great leader on this wiki. He has show over the past few months that he is pragmatic, intelligent and clearly understands the rules of this wiki. --GOPZACK 19:19, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Louisiannan 06:43, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
  3. BrianD 13:54, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Vegas adict 19:20, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
  5. XterrorX 15:17, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
  6. BoredMatt 15:39, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
  7. I have decide to support both choices, as both of the nominated are good, fair and balanced editors. Tbguy1992 18:46, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
  8. --Karsten vK (talk) 08:25, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
  9. Lordganon 10:48, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
  10. I'd be happy to have you on the TSPTF. Mitro 15:15, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
  11. Bob 18:32, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
  12. Bill 18:31 (EST), August 16, 2010
  13. Unquestionably one of the most qualified guys around. - Mister Sheen 01:50, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
  14. I'm absolutely, 100% sure South will make an excellent member of the TSPTF.--Vladivostok 12:52, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
  15. Ownerzmcown 23:24, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
  16. Very wise and intelligent, will be a great asset to the TSPTF. Red VS Blue 03:31, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
  17. I've been actice on the website for...maybe 2 weeks, and already South has helped me improve my timeline, and has been very helpful to me. French Victory 19:31, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
  18. Eastward Expansion 19:33, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • Objectors
  • Discussion
    • Has South even accepted the nomination yet? Mitro 14:11, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
      • Yes, I accept the nomination. Thanks, Zack. SouthWriter 18:25, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
      • Cool. So South, why do you want to be a Lt.? Mitro 18:30, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
        • I knew this was coming - based on the guidelines - but have no formal response prepared. So, here is an informal response. As I understand it, the work of a lieutenant is to monitor the articles of the whole wiki - not just the 1983DD time line. This will keep both my creative and editing abilities honed. I presently have some time not available to other editors, so this should not be too much of a strain. This will also free up the constables to do the occasional rollback and deletion of undesirable articles and sections which trolls and vandals seem to love slipping into the wiki at odd times. SouthWriter 19:35, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
    • I know we have 2 weeks rule (I should know because I was the one who wrote it0, but considering the overwhelming support. Is there any objections if I close this early and make South our newest admin? Mitro 15:34, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

NuclearVacuum

  • Supporters
  1. I think NucVac will be a great Lt, he has lots of experience and is good at dealing with peopleVegas adict 19:32, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
  2. I agree, a very creative editor, good with people, would do great if given the opportunity.--Vladivostok 00:08, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
  3. I have worked with Nuke. He is a good editor and is willing to listen to the concerns of others. SouthWriter 15:40, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
  4. No issues here, he has my vote. Mitro 16:22, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
  5. BoredMatt 19:13, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
  6. My vote too. Eastward Expansion 19:35, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Ditto. Tbguy1992 20:32, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
  8. Someone not really involved with DD, but would be a great addition to the Lt positions.Lordganon 21:03, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
  9. I'll take SouthWriter and Mitro's words on this. BrianD 02:28, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
  10. Of course. - Mister Sheen 13:31, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
  11. --GOPZACK 18:08, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
  12. I think he has shown great experience and kindness to others (plus where both Irish American) Riley.Konner 16:01, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
  13. He's got my support. --XterrorX 17:21, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
  14. --Bill Potter 9:15, August 27, 2010 (EST)
  • Objectors
  • Discussion
    • For this nomination to be valid, NV must do 3 things: 1) accept the nomination here, 2) explain why he should be elected, and 3) either prove he is 18 years or older or show a year and a half of solid contributions to this wiki. Mitro 03:44, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
    • Hello there. I am honored to have been nominated to the TSPTF, and I accept my nomination. I would make an excellent addition to the TSPTF because I really love alternate history, and I would love to help out those who love it too. If chosen, I promise to use my powers to protect the time stream, assisting those in need, and capturing and eliminating those who mean harm. I do not recall how long I have been editing here, but I was born in December 1989, and I am currently 20. --NuclearVacuum 12:20, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
    • How does someone prove that they're a least 18? Eastward Expansion 19:35, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
      • The simple answer is that they can't, but Wikia says we must assume good faith and so we doVegas adict 19:38, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
        • Vegas is right, we assume good faith unless proven otherwise. That being said this is the age of social networking. That is how I knew Bob was not 18, I looked on his Facebook profile. Mitro 18:03, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
    • Just a note about this position, LG. The position up for nomination is for the whole wiki, not just DD. It is good that DD is so popular, but there are other time lines that are quite good -- and others that need close scrutiny by the administrators to keep the wiki relevant. We have constables to deal with the "small stuff" (thanks, Arstar and Yank for the unsung and unseen work you do), but the brass and the lieutenants are responsible for monitoring for time lines that need serious work to come to the standards of the whole Althistory Wiki. SouthWriter 21:28, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
      • I'm well aware of that. All I meant was that it was nice to see someone not involved with DD being nominated. >.>;

Lordganon 22:18, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

To number 13 above. You will have to edit that vote after you log in again, otherwise it will have to be thrown out. Not that it matters to the outcome, but we'd like to know who "62.132.215.49" is. :-)

SouthWriter 16:34, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

In light of the overwhelming support, any objections to waiving the 2 week rule and promoting Nuke? Mitro 14:02, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
None that I can see. Riley.Konner 16:00, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

BrianD

  • Discussion
    • Brian is well versed in many aspects of this wiki and has worked hard on quality control. He has not shied away from letting myself or other members of the TSPTF know about problems he has encountered with vandalism, other users, etc. One final note, Brian has accepted the nomination. Zack 21:22, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
    • Honestly, I didn't realize he wasn't already a mod.Oerwinde 08:18, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
    • I accept the nomination, if the community chooses me to be a lieutenant. I joined this wiki for 1983:DD and continue to contribute almost exclusively to that TL, but would be willing to assist with other TLs as requested and needed. I understand the responsibilities that come with being a lieutenant, and wish to carry them out in a helpful and civil manner with all editors. BrianD 17:31, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
    • I'll be happy to answer any questions anyone would have regarding my nomination. BrianD 19:01, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
    • Since there does not appear to be any objections to this nomination, any objections to waiving the 2 weeks rules? Mitro 19:47, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
    • Same as above. Benkarnell 20:22, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Lordganon

He is one of the most active Constables currently on the TSPTF. I personally have seen him fight vandalism and take heat from the vandals/trolls who sometimes haunts this site. More importantly he has worked to revert the good faith, but irrelevant, edits by anons who do not understand our rules or culture. He is one of the leaders at 1983: Doomsday and respected across the wiki. If I had one complaint, he could be a little more polite, but no one is perfect. I think he would be a perfect Lt. and he has my support. Mitro 20:40, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

  • Supporters
    • I agree with everything said above. It will be great to have you as a part of the team. Zack 23:58, December 13, 2010 (UTC)
    • LG quickly established himself as a leader on this wiki and definitely deserves it.Oerwinde 10:43, December 14, 2010 (UTC)
    • LG has shown that he is more than deserving of admin status. Mitro said it well. BrianD 17:18, December 14, 2010 (UTC)
    • You couldn't ask for much better in a Lieutenant. He has a clear knowledge of history which always helps, but like the rest of us he gets annoyed with those few who spoil it for the rest of us, but unlike some of us, he does something about it. He is more than willing to help us when we ask, giving up his time to help our projects. Mumby 17:43, December 14, 2010 (UTC)
    • LG has done enough to prove that he will make an excellent Lieutenant, he deserves the recognition for the work he has done as a constable dealing with the trolls and vandals recently--Smoggy80 18:59, December 14, 2010 (UTC)
  • Objectors
  • Discussion
    • I accept the nomination, Mitro, and once again, thank you for the honor. I'm a few years over 18, so that is satisfied. As for why I would like to be a Lt..... well, for starters I've had several instances (as Mitro noticed) where things have been done around here - for instance, one guy kept insulting me one night last week as I fought his sci-fi future histories - and I've only been able to do little about it. I tend to be active on here more often than not during the night, meaning that I do tend to be the first to see a lot of this stuff, and It'd be nice to be able to do more than tell Mitro, or someone else, about it. It would be nice to be able to actually back up warnings I give for things like that (vandals, naming conventions, etc) too, lol. Lordganon 21:08, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

BoredMatt

BoredMatt has been a very active force in the Map Games, joining up shortly after I did. He is one of the more level headed of the map gamers, as well as being one of the few that is concerned with plausibility.Oerwinde 04:27, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

  • Supporters
  • Objectors
  • Discussion
    • Matt still needs to accept this nomination for it to be valid. Mitro 15:00, February 5, 2011 (UTC)
    • I can't say how honored I am by this, thank you. I accept the nomination. BoredMatt 16:14, February 5, 2011 (UTC)
    • Matt how old are you? One of the requirements of this job is that the person has to be 18 or over. Do you meet the age requirement? Mitro 20:40, February 5, 2011 (UTC)
    • I'm afraid I don't. You can retract my nomination. BoredMatt 21:14, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Katholico

Kath is someone that I've often seen putting things in the proper category, fixing things, and helping others with their timelines. He may not have the best English ever, but he doesn't let that stop him from being helpful. And, he's got an understanding of how a wiki operates, and indeed, he has a good knowledge of our rules as well. He's also the admin in charge of our Spanish-language counterpart. Lordganon 08:42, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

  • Supporters
    • BrianD 18:07, February 3, 2011 (UTC)
    • Mitro 18:33, February 3, 2011 (UTC)
    • Tbguy1992 18:39, February 3, 2011 (UTC)
    • Vegas adict 22:13, February 3, 2011 (UTC)
    • Fedelede 22:37, February 3, 2011 (UTC)
    • KingSweden 04:21, February 4, 2011 (UTC) It's good to have multicultural influence on the admin staff, especially since Spanish might not be everyones strongest language.
    • Red VS Blue 20:54, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
    • Smoggy80 19:37, February 14, 2011 (UTC)
    • BoredMatt 20:30, February 15, 2011 (UTC)
  • Objectors
  • Discussion
    • Hi everyone! Thank you Lordganon for the nomination to the TSPTF, is really a honor! I accept the nomination. Despite my level of english as Lord said before, i'm glad if i can help to others in any form, and i think that my knowledges about how is the work in this wikia, can make to me useful for the site. I promise to do my best effort as a TSPTF member, if i'm chosen. Thanks once again. Regards! --Katholico 22:37, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

Tbguy1992

Tb is an active user on this wiki who has a good understanding of our policies. He is a caretaker of the community project Choose Your Own Alternate History! and the creator of many excellent timelines. He has participated in many of our community projects and map games. I feel he would be an excellent member of the TSPTF. Mitro 14:05, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

  • Discussion
    • I am honored to have been suggested for the TSPTF. Though I know I'm not as active as many other users here, I will do the best I can, to the best of my, admittedly not spectacular, abilities, and to keep up the standards of the Wikia, and will gladly agree to help those who need it. I accept this nomination, and hope to help serve the Wikia soon. Tbguy1992 16:09, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

KingSweden

King is a long-member of the wiki. As the creator of Napoleon's World, he's also one of out best and most prolific writers, with articles contributed to several other timelines as well. He's often willing to help, and to give advice. He's got a good idea of how things work around here, and is very willing to help out when he has time. Lordganon 22:48, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

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    • The nomination is an honor. Thank you. KingSweden 04:20, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Smoggy80

Smoggy, probably our sole female editor, has been editing the wiki for over two years now. She's shown a willingness to help others, or to offer helpful opinions, along with her work editing articles for Doomsday and several timeline ideas of her own that she's started. I also consider her to be one of those among us who are most likely to be a voice of reason, and she has also done a pretty good job with her Constable position. As such, I nominate her for the position of Lieutenant in the TSPTF. Lordganon 17:43, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Verence71

Verence has been editing on the wiki for about a year and a half now. Primarily, his editing and advice have been with regards to 1983, but he's got a couple timelines of his own roaming around here, and I've seen him offer advice to others on several occasions. His work on the former UK in 1983 is also very much great in detail. I feel that he is a rather good editor, and he has shown himself very respectful of our rules. I feel that, given his willingness to learn and help out, that he'd do well here. As such, I nominate him for the position of Lieutenant in the TSPTF. Lordganon 22:46, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

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    • Never heard of this dude before, but if LG speaks so highly of him, and he does, and we are in need of more mods up in heah, and we do, I see no reason not to support him. Jazon Naparleon 23:13, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
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  • Lordganon has put it better than I could and there's not much I can add to what he has said. If you are interested the other timelines I have on this wiki are Weird America in which the POD is the British gaining a resounding victory in the War of 1812 and The Second Heptarchy in which Harold of England is defeated by Harald of Norway at Stamford Bridge. Verence71 10:41, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

Fedelede

Fed has proven himself since being named a constable to be pretty good at it. He's undone vandalism, warned us about them, warned them, tried to keep people calm and mediate disputes.... the list goes on. He's made several good timelines, and contributed to even more. And, he's always good as a sounding board for things. As such, I nominate him for the position of Lieutenant in the TSPTF. Lordganon 02:10, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

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    • I agree, he has done a great work in the wikia. :) Katholico 04:13, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
    • CrimsonAssassin 23:02, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
    • LurkerLordB 23:03, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
    • --Smoggy80 17:01, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
    • Well, Fed did give me doses of plausibility at times, you deserve this!! :D Imperium Guy 17:38, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
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    • Thank you for the nomination, LG. I believe I deserve to be a lieutenant because in my time as Constable in the TSPTF I've attempted to stop all vandalism as far as my capacities reach. Even though I don't believe I have that much avaliable time in the Wikia and that my English capacities are not entirely good, I believe that I will be able to make a good member of the lieutnancy on the TSPTF. Fed (talk) 02:56, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

LurkerLordB

Lurk has been around here for quite a while, and I'm surprised none of us really noticed him and his work before. Something I'm a little sorry for, lol. In dealings with him around the wiki, I've seen him to be quite level-headed, and trying to moderate disputes. He's worked to police the wiki in general, and has fixed a ton of vandalism. Not only that, but he's contributed extensively to the Map Games, a bit to several timelines, and been the author of some good ones of his own. As such, I nominate him for the position of Lieutenant in the TSPTF. Lordganon 10:49, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

  • Supporters
    • -Kogasa 11:13, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
    • He knows our policies, can deal with vandals and has been a member for 2 years. He has my vote. Mitro 22:20, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
    • Imperium Guy 23:22, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
    • Collie Kaltenbrunner 10:30, January 28, 2012 (UTC)
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    • I would be honored to accept any position which would allow me to better help the wiki. I will use any position I am granted to fight vandalism faster, clean up dead and useless pages, and help to make this wiki a better environment for alternate history. I thank LordGanon and anyone else for believing that I am capable of handling this position. LurkerLordB (Talk) 22:09, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
    • Are there any last-minute objections? LurkerLordB (Talk) 05:03, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Collie Kaltenbrunner

Collie's been one of our constables now for about 10 months. He's done good work in that span of time, running games and trying to keep the peace in them. Done a pretty good job of it, too - he's shown himself to be rather good at keeping peace and mediating in them. And, in addition, he's written or contributed to several timelines. In a lot of ways, Collie's been a pretty blasted good example of a constable since his promotion. As such, I nominate him for the position of lieutenant in the TSPTF. Lordganon 17:22, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

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    • I accept the nomination.thanks for it (the nomination).maybe it will make moderation on map games easier.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:11, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Fegaxeyl

Feg is one of the veteran users of our wiki - it'll be four years for him here in the summer. He's worked on other wikis over the years, too. In all of that, he's held various admin positions, and was named a constable here 10 months ago. In that timespan, he's done a good job of it. All of this, of course, being in addition to a contributor to many timelines, and the author of a few good ones in his own right. As such, I nominate him for the position of Lieutenant in the TSPTF. Lordganon 17:22, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

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    • I happily accept this nomination! I've got experience as this level of admin before and so I can guarantee I'll be helpful and proactive. Feg 20:02, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Kogasa

"9" has been a great help with maintaining the wiki since he became a constable - he often ends up undoing damage or adding deletion tags to spam before even I find it, lol - and I'm convinced that he would block the vandals afterwards if he could. He's got several good timelines to his name, and has adopted more. Plays the map games sometimes as well. Have to enjoy all the Touhou Project things he's added to timelines, too. As such, I nominate him for the position of Lieutenant in the TSPTF. Lordganon (talk) 08:50, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

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    • I accept the nomination. I've helped to fight against vandalism and spam as best as I can and will continue to do so. I thank you all again. -Kogasa 2013年4月06日 18:12:04 (JST)

Imperium Guy

Imp is one of our more interesting characters - seems like he's got fingers in many little pies around here, be in Doomsday, the Map Games, or pestering Nuke about Venusian Haven (lol) and he's got several timelines of his own, adopted and otherwise. I've observed him undo vandalism, and he's got the desire to work the map games, something needed. As such, I nominate him for the position of Lieutenant in the TSPTF. Lordganon (talk) 08:50, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

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    • ​Nothing too cheesy here folks, but to say its a great honour would be an understatement. I would like to keep sorting out arguments and making sure map games do not clutter this wiki. Although I'm not as good with vandalism as some other members, I will try my best. Thank you.  Imp (Say Hi?!) 10:46, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

Red VS Blue

Besides the fact that I can't comprehend why he isn't admin yet, Red is active, nice, and has one hell of a timeline under his belt. He communicates with the people and is a good person overall. I don't think I need say more.                 SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   00:37, January 24, 2014 (UTC)

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  • 'Have you actually asked him yet? ~G
  • Dammit I forgot that. ~S
  • This is long overdue. Red vs. Blue's Superpowers timeline was the first timeline I read when I browed the site for the first time years ago. It was what really got me hooked on this wiki. Congrats to Red vs Blue!  CrimsonAssassin- I have special eyes
  • I would be happy to accept the position of Lieutenant in the TSPTF. I am neither among the most active members of the Althistory Wiki, nor am I particularly opinionated on major issues that have arisen, but I intend to be a sysop who injects as neutral a view as possible into site-wide debates and who assists with the general cleanliness of the site. Thank you, Scrawland, for the nomination! Red VS Blue (talk) 19:24, January 24, 2014 (UTC)
  • I read all of the Superpowers timeline in one sitting, that was the kind of power the timeline gained on me because of its vastness and interestingness. I have also observed Red to be a neutral voice in wiki matters and is widely respected. Good one Scraw, and Congratz Red. :)  Imp (Say Hi?!) 01:51, January 26, 2014 (UTC)
  • Superpowers is indeed one of the best TLs of this site, and Red deserves every single bit of this nomination. Fed (talk) 01:56, January 26, 2014 (UTC) 
  • It's been well past two weeks since this application has been posted. Think it's time to give Red vs Blue his superpowers and close this thing up. CrimsonAssassin- I have special eyes 12:12, February 10, 2014 (UTC)
  • Only Brass is allowed to do so I'm afraid!  Imp (Say Hi?!) 12:42, February 10, 2014 (UTC)
  • I know. I was trying to summon one. CrimsonAssassin- I have special eyes 13:12, February 10, 2014 (UTC)

CrimsonAssassin

I'm actually surprised we haven't made him one yet. Crim is super-helpful, and has his own TL- the quite well done Magnam Europae. I look forward to reading more. He exercises his power as Constable well, and has helped out around the wiki a LOT. Also, he's one of the most senior- agewise- members of this wiki, having joined before several of our other El Tees. For these reasons, I would like to nominate him for this promotion to El Tee. He deserves it, and since we have 15 open spots, haha...            Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo!  01:41, January 31, 2014 (UTC)

Monster Pumpkin

MP has been on this wiki for over two years now, and in that time, he's proved himself to be an excellent mediator, an excellent editor, a nice person, and just overall the epitome of what the TSPTF tries to be. He's been an effective and plausible moderator on multiple map games, he's done loads of work on the BFE: Prime TL, along with me and Ms- I have to say, he deserved this earlier. I therefore nominate what's his face our resident Lycanthropic Squash for El Tee. May his reign be long, his vote undisputed, and his decisions, well, if not wise, then popular.                Every Silver Lining has it's cloud- And HERE I AM!  00:45, March 24, 2014 (UTC)

Scraw

Scraw is one of the most senior map gamers on the wiki- not that he doesn't contribute a LOT elsewhere. He's constantly a calming influence on chat, and a productive worker, with several timelines and numerous Stirlings under his belt. He's always plausible, never one for reckless expansionism, and he's also creator of some of the most beautiful sigs on this wiki. Now, that will probably be a problem for some of our users- Pita, Fed, Imp, I'm looking at you- but think of it this way; if you allow Scraw to keep his sig, and become an El Tee nevertheless- then he can be the only exception to that rule since, well, none of the rest of the template crew, myself included, will ever make it to admin, haha. In conclusion, Scraw is a wonderful productive user who deserves this nom every bit, and LG, I'm coming for that record.            I'm going to put you in my ashtray  cause you just got smoked!  18:19, April 5, 2014 (UTC)

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    • ​
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    • ​In fact, to those of you who dislike this nom because of that sig, tell you what I'll do. I will perform the 12 tasks of Guns to get this through- 12 favors that, no matter what they are, I shall do. There are two things I won't do- get rid of my sig and fix my userpage. ANYTHING else. Imp, think of the fight I'll put up to liberate Gansu. Fed, think of the fight I'll put up to push through the Squirrevolution. I will do neither if you allow Scraw to keep his sigs.            I'm going to put you in my ashtray  cause you just got smoked!  18:22, April 5, 2014 (UTC)
    • Hrr, yes. I most gratefully accept this nomination for lieutenant. I intend to do my best to uphold the standards of this wiki and do lieutenantly things. I will seek to combat vandalism and all those weird one sentence pages about Charlemagne battling King Kong and the such. I will continue to fight the battle against trolls and stupid people, and I will take on a more active role in tackling idiocy in chat. Also if you have doubt in my abilities, you can read the true legend of my life on my userpage. That is all.
    •                 SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR  
    • Does not over expand? Erm... Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:09, April 5, 2014 (UTC)
    • Ok, well, hasn't done it so far in PM3. How's that?            I'm going to put you in my ashtray  cause you just got smoked!  19:21, April 5, 2014 (UTC)
    • Haven't fought a war yet. ~ S 19:22, April 5, 2014 (UTC)
    • CHarmalenge batteling King Kong is super plausible TBH Toby (talk) 19:23, April 5, 2014 (UTC)
    • YES IT IS, sir.            I'm going to put you in my ashtray  cause you just got smoked!  19:27, April 5, 2014 (UTC)
    • I vote for Squirrel...erm, sorry, I means Scraw... FirstStooge (talk) 01:13, April 6, 2014 (UTC)

Pita

Pita was, before he left (I believe due to a death in the family), one of the most respected users on this wiki, moderator on almost every game he played, editor to DD (what ever happened to that Seoul page? I think someone finished it?)- and that's because he was really productive and an incredible mediator. Pita has returned and looks to be back to stay, and had he not taken his break, I have no doubt of two things; he would be an admin by now, and that record, LG, is mine.            I'm going to put you in my ashtray  cause you just got smoked!  19:21, April 5, 2014 (UTC)

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    • Well, I'd hardly say I was one of the most respected in the Wiki when I left; there was a plethora of users who were more credible and established than I was. But anyways, wow. Looking back, it's unbelievable how long I've been on this Wiki. I remember my first map game (Imperial Europe) and attempting to start my own timeline. I also remember being thrashed by Mitro for leaving inappropriate comments on "Hitler's Immortal" and Owen's talk page on Alien Wiki. It's crazy how much I've matured since then (7th grade) and I look forward to becomming a better use in the future. I just want everyone on this site to know that they've truly changed me, helped me in my life, both academic and private. I was truly encouraged by all your comments when I took a brief hiatus due to the death of my father. Furthermore, when I was struggling with my father's death, this site allowed me to take my mind off the real world for just a moment and get completely emersed in the world of alternate history. This wiki is not just a website. It's a community, a community of friends - a remarkable thing, considering most of us have never met each other in real life. It's an entire new world, where one's social status, religion, and race are all put away in pursuit of creating worlds - whether they be worlds of map games or timelines. Anyhow, I'll stop my rambling. I am not one to take any responsibly lightly - especially not one concerning an adminship on a contributive wiki. I will strive to work hard for the betterment of the wiki.

Toby2

He's been here for many years now, and I think he deserves a promotion. He is really active and helps with people in chat, in timelines, while working on things of his own. He makes great turns in things like AvA, and I believe he'll be even better as a Lieutenant. Upvote - The March Sig 02:04, March 8, 2015 (UTC)

  • Discussion

When I was made constable, I promised I would improve the wiki. I promised it would be involved more. Since then I have worked to fight trolls and vandals, broken up chat arguments, and provide support to those who need it. since then I have also started one solo TL and a collaborative TL with Willster22. As an LT I will be more involved than I am now and aid in improving the wiki even more. Thank you for nominating me. Toby

After 3 weeks, the vote is 10-2 in favor, 3-1 among voting TSPTF members. I think this is the first time a Lieutenant has been promoted who had any objection whatsoever, but clearly above the margin to promote. I'll make the switch and archive the discussion. Your stripes, Lt. Toby. Wear them well. Benkarnell (talk) 02:12, March 31, 2015 (UTC)

Vivaporius

I was actually surprised when I found out that Viva was not a Lieutenant. He possesses the skill, the professionalism, and the experience that warrants him at least a nomination. I certainly believe that Vivaporius is well-suited for this position in the TSPTF.  New Year New Sig

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    • I have to say that I am honored by the nomination, and would be happy to accept the privilege of being a Lieutenant for the wiki. I hope that I can deliever on the expectations the rank comes with. I understand that the wiki is suffering from a serious quality problem, and I intend to do all I can to help clean the wiki and provide a superior level of quality for the folks who want to see this wiki grow. The Xania Encyclopedia Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 18:41, January 23, 2016 (UTC)
    • Would oppose this if I thought there would be a point to it, considering the day block I've had to do on him before for behavior. Lordganon (talk) 21:46, February 3, 2016 (UTC)

SkyGreen24

With all of the talk of reform and generating new life to the wiki, I think it's important that we have the right people managing such reform and invigoration, and unfortunately I can't do it all by myself. Jokes aside, I really think Sky has proved himself as a Constable and I think he can do a lot of good for the wiki as an LT. "This is not your grave but you are welcome in it." 19:40, January 24, 2016 (UTC)

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  • Well, gotta say thank you for nominating me MP. This is a very nice birthday gift. I hope I can serve the wiki well. I am well aware that I might not be as good of a candidate as my co-constable Viva, but I still believe I could do my job well and would be very happy to get the support of my fellow wikians.

JoshTheRoman

Josh has proved himself to be an active contributor and moderator, and I can surely say he is one of the most active and vigilant chat moderators to date. He is just in exercising punishment and is able to get the job done. With his service of two consecutive and non-stop years as chat moderator and over 5,000 edits, I think Josh is surely qualified for the rank of Lieutenant.

United Republic #FeelTheUR  21:57, August 11, 2016 (UTC)

United Republic

I will make this simple. UR is a kickass user, who has shown that he can meet the requirements of the role in a manner that I believe to be more effective than a few of our active TSTPF members, perhaps myself included. He has the knowledge to provide new users with the tools needed to write effective timelines, and yea he can be a tool himself sometimes but there are always other LTs and other TSTPF members, as well as the handy dandy impeachment process, to make sure he stays in line. I can see no reason why he should not take the next step. You needed worthy opponents 03:02, October 22, 2016 (UTC)

  • Discussion
    • Ladies and gentlemen of the wiki, I accept the nomination for the rank of Lieutenant. I feel that I have exercised my power with proper judgement, swiftness, and equality. I know I will be able to expand my efforts not just on chat, but the wiki as a whole. Thank you, Edge, for nominating me for Lieutenant.  United Republic  Talk  Contribs  King of America    03:18, October 22, 2016 (UTC)
    • ​I would also like to ask what LT processes currently need fulfilled? Has UR shown a dedication to the maintenance of the wiki overall, outside of chat? I'll concede he has a couple of decent TLs under his belt, but is this nomination really needed, and is UR the first one to correct formating errors, etc.? I don't think so. Reximus | Talk to Me! 03:09, October 22, 2016 (UTC)
    • "and yea he can be a tool himself sometimes but there are always other LTs and other TSTPF members, as well as the handy dandy impeachment process, to make sure he stays in line. I can see no reason why he should not take the next step." I mean, I don't know UR too well, but "worst case we impeach him" isn't a very compelling argument...            Lies are all I have. Lies and vaudeville.  20:18, October 22, 2016 (UTC)

Nathan1123

Nate has been a thoroughly constructive presence on chat and on the wiki. He frequently lends a helping hand to people who need it and is all-around civil, something the wiki desperately needs. In addition, he is an active user. Prime TSPTF material. I actually forget that he isn't an Lt. already. He's very much earned my seal of approval and you guys know how picky I am. I hereby nominate him for the position. Curmudgeonly yours - Crim 00:09, March 16, 2017 (UTC)

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    • I hate to do this, I really do, but I feel like Nate needs a bit more experience under his belt. I have seen him from the beginning and believe me when I say he is the right material, but I feel like he needs a bit more time and edits under his belt before he can be boosted up. Spend a bit more time and do a bit more good and when the next time he is nominated I hopefully believe he will be ready. Imp (Say Hi?!) 03:44, March 18, 2017 (UTC)

FirstStooge

FirstStooge has been one of the most active TSPTF members in recent months, cleaning up vandalism, helping new users, taking care of maintenance tasks. And simply put, he could do these things a lot more effectively if he had admin rights. It's actually a bit odd to see someone with his long years, dedication and standing in the community have to get help from higher-ups to do things like issue blocks or delete pages. He brings an earnestness and positivity that's good for all of us, but especially the new users who he interacts with. What's more, it's getting close to 4 years since we last promoted anyone to the rank of Lieutenant; with the wiki growing and becoming more active, this is an appropriate time to add someone else to serve and lead. FirstStooge is clearly that someone. Benkarnell (talk) 14:13, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

  • Objectors
    • Nathanadrian (talk) 03:44, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
    • FirstStooge seems to demonstrate he's good at constable work, and I hope that continues, but he hasn't demonstrated to me he'd be a good LT candidate compared to Nate. The roles are almost identical in terms of powers, the main difference is LTs have a hand in greater decision making. I think given his lack of English proficiency unfortunately, the fact that I don't know him and he doesn't seem too involved in the community outside the wiki, and the questionable behavior recently, I can't trust him to take on the added responsibility of being a decision maker/arbitrator, despite his good work as a constable. The wiki needs people to keep up maintaining the wiki - but that's done by any admin regardless of rank. Promoting him to LT wouldn't have any tangible difference in improving the wiki and is unneeded. Javants03 (talk) 23:37, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
    • This election has been bizarrely and arguably maliciously mishandled, all to push through a barely-active LT we have no demonstrated need for. Firesofdoom (Talk)
    • I am voting in opposition due to having never encountered FS within the Wiki or Wiki-associated discords. While I am confident he is a valuable member and contributor, I am uncertain as to his involvement outside of writing timelines. Because of this singular focus, I do not believe he would be a good choice in this election. Stephanus rex (talk) 05:41, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
    • I originally planned to vote yes, then later abstained, but given the circumstances I think it's best to vote no. I appreciate FS' work as a constable, but like many people here I don't have any experience with him or positive interactions. I attempted to talk to him and was hoping he had a strong denouncement for many of the ills currently befalling our wiki. His nonchalant, complacent, or oblivious attitude toward some of these problems did not instill confidence in me. Unfortunately he has been swept up in controversy that he did no cause, but continued refusal to address or combat the controversy is a bad look for someone who will chiefly be looked upon for his judgement skills. There has been degradation of many of the principles this wiki was built upon, and we need someone who will address this. I also cannot pretend that this election is not tied to unsavory threats of repercussions and intimidation. Unfortunately, the staff's ineffective application of the rules when nominating FS, the obstructive practices taken during, and the drama that ensued after from that camp has unfairly tainted FS' election. I will likely vote for FS if he is re-nominated in six months, but I cannot support this one. Emaliay (talk) 05:51, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
    • Excellent contributor but I have to agree with the sentiment a lot of other users are bringing up. SolaceEaSw (talk) 05:58, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
    • – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
    • Gerriandour (talk) 06:25, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
    • firststooge would be a good lieutenant since we need more ppl dealing with actual real trolls not some ppls definition of them but the nomination process has been strange so i need to vote no, there should be a fair renomination in the future though Jamesmcavoyfanclub (talk) 19:16, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Discussion
    • Thank you very much, Ben. I humbly accepted my nomination to be a Lieutenant not for anything vain but simply for a responsibility to serve other users, to guide newly-joined ones and to work together with other members of the TSTPF. I will carry my duties seriously and will learn to put forward more a betterment to this wiki accordingly. I will fulfill my newly-founded duty as this wiki's intermittent caretaker and housekeeper in the absence of other admins and mods. --- FirstStooge (talk) 15:45, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
    • The response was slow, but I think there's enough to show consensus, and anyway we need the help. I've made the promotion. I'll leave the discussion here a little while longer before I archive it, in case anyone else has something to say. (edit) Undid the promotion while we try to get more votes. Benkarnell (talk) 01:33, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
    • I would like to point out that the wiki takes extreme precedence over the discord server, as there are many users who are on the wiki (you know, the actual thing the server and userbase exist for) and not on discord. Furthermore, the user who claims it is important is not even on the server. A rude and meaningless vote cast for no reason than to be contrarian. Shame on you. Scrawland Scribblescratch 00:55, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
    • This election will end at 14:13 UTC on 2 January 2021. Scrawland Scribblescratch 03:35, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
    • Lieutenants (aka admins or systops) have substantially different powers from Constables (aka mods or Rollback). Namely the power to issue blocks and delete pages. Benkarnell (talk) 00:22, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
      • While that is technically true, in a practical sense they don't have access to these powers unilaterally in cases where it is significant. Any block of an established user is done by community consensus among the admins, not done by a lone admin. In such discussions an LT might have slightly more sway than a constable. Javants03 (talk) 00:25, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
        • The vast majority of blocks are not of established users. In fact, a decent percentage of recent blocks were made because FirstStooge spotted the trolling or vandalism and reported it. He'll be more effective with the power to do it himself. Benkarnell (talk) 00:32, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
          • Personally, my interactions with First Stooge have generally been positive, and I felt he handled the recent mass vandalism and harassment of the Blooming Roses community effectively and quite well. However, these objections concerning voter suppression are quite alarming, and if they are indeed an issue perhaps they should be looked into objectively. It's difficult to tell just looking at this page the truth and depth of these accusations, so perhaps they should be addressed? Marrybore (talk) 03:48, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Nathan1123

I'm putting my name on this nomination because the original nominator is banned. I have been wanting to nominate Nathan for a while to the Lieutenancy. We badly need more Lieutenants and he has shown his dedication time and again. Benkarnell (talk) 16:01, 2 January 2021 (UTC) (originally posted 04:12, 27 December 2020 (UTC) )

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    • Nominated him for Lt before, have since been shown he is not up to the challenge of dealing with problematic users. Curmudgeonly yours - Crim 07:52, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
    • Feud(User_talk:Feudy_McPlagueface) I share the same concerns as above. Admin work might be good, but inability to control users, put a foot down, the please everyone attitude does not befit LT.
    • #BRINGBACK THESQUIRREL 00:11, 31 December 2020 (UTC) Don't make me agree with Feud ever again.
  • Discussion
  • I previously would not have thought of myself as worthy of being a leader in the wiki. The value of my work is based on the impact to the community I serve, and not myself. And I do my hardest within my power to benefit the people of this community every day. I accept the nomination, because if that community decides I should be a Lieutenant, then that is a responsibility I take extremely seriously. I have previously deferred leadership of the wiki to the Lieutenants and Admins above me, and focus on my own job to serve them. I have known for a long time that the wiki requires major organization and innovations, based on what other communities successfully implement, but up until now I did not expect that the one to take up that responsibility would be me. If my promotion is accepted, this starts a new chapter of my life, one where I dedicate myself every day to take up that role. I will no longer stand in the shadow of other people's expectations, but to act impartially and make the community a healthy environment for every user. In line with the words of Plato "The guardians of the city shall be fearsome to our enemies but gentle to our friends". Or again by Sir Thomas More "If the parties will at my hands call for justice, then, all were it my father stood on the one side, and the Devil on the other, his cause being good, the Devil should have right." Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess 16:47, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Now, in response to the concerns of Feud and Crim. Their statements implicitly espouse a philosophy that I believe is wholly detrimental to the wiki, and the source of problems on the wiki for the last few years. This philosophy is that the best way of improving the community is by shutting down the most users considered "problematic". The fallacy of this belief is similar to the idea that the best way to improve justice is by having more people in jail. This year, Americans have had a rude awakening of how problematic that belief can become, and detrimental to everyone involved. This mindset of improving the wiki by eliminating "problematic users" is using a hammer to make every problem look like a nail. More than a few times these admins leap to the nuclear option of a simple dispute, making everyone involved miserable, and then pride themselves on having "laid down the law", no matter how irrational or snappy that decision was. Some people have proposed the idea of changing the TSPTF to no longer resemble a police force, due to those same historic events this year. Rather, I say that the TSPTF must reflect what a police force should be: trustworthy, dependable, accountable, transparent, impartial, consistent, held to a higher standard, a servant of the community. Rest assured I have banned many people in my time as a constable. But that is not what I am proud of, as if a soldier takes pride in the people he has killed. I do it because it is part of my job, and doing ones job according to clearly-defined rules or principles should not be called "making a difficult decision". It becomes a difficult decision when rules are ignored and are based on arbitrary feelings. This aforementioned philosophy has dominated the administration since the Fall of the Cronies, and to be sure the Wiki has had fewer trolls ever since. But what we also observe is that the TSPTF active membership has been slowly dwindling to a handful of old veterans, and no newer generation to replace them. When you have a system that is poorly-defined, unmanaged, subjective, unfair, unwelcoming, or arbitrary, then fewer people have either the desire or ability to be part of it. There is nothing mystical about applying objectivity and accountability to an online community, as communities a fraction of our size have achieved such a thing. Yet, it amazes me to see such people still unironically object to it. This isn't a small group of friends posting history memes, this is a community of hundreds of people. And in some cases (like Tbguy) their content becomes their life's work. What I am proud of is the firm and fair relationships I have grown in the community, akin to the unconditional love and discipline of a parent, not an oligarch. What I am proud of is seeing someone start with no knowledge of the wiki or history to begin with, and watch him grow and mature to become good enough to succeed in the next generation. We can make a difference today, by working together instead of against each other. We can make the 2020s a new age for the wiki, where "making users upset" is no longer a metric of good moderation. Together we can make an era of people being engaged, not turned away; helped, not ignored; served, not dictated; enjoyment, not a chore; active, not dead. These are my personal ideals that I have not changed in years, and will never change to the day I die. And that is the vision that you should vote for as well. Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess 14:22, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

FirstStooge

FS has done a lot of work to help the Wiki in maintenance and patrolling. I haven't spoken to him a lot in person, but his work on the Wiki speaks for itself, and I have heard about his diligence from other people who have worked with him. He was previously nominated six months ago but failed, so since the Wiki is still in need of more administrators I am nominating him a second time Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess 04:31, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

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    • I accept this nomination readily, with my most humblest heart. May I always be reminded to be humble and down-to-earth with the following sayings: "And be moderate in your pace and lower your voice; indeed, the most disagreeable of sounds is the voice of donkeys." (Qur'an 31:19)/"When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with the humble is wisdom." (Proverbs 11:2). FirstStooge (talk) 15:36, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
    • Once I joined the wiki I always liked CPC and admired his work. I made a lot of shitpost pages but finally joined Differently. I started to write more consistently so when I finally met Stooge I had something to show. He has been kind to me and the wiki as well as a faithful servant so I believe he deserves this Lieutenantship. Atli

Vandenhoek

Vand is one of our most well known and trusted TSPTF members, he has had a long and exemplary tenure as archivist, and is the ideal candidate for archivist. Having recently successfully elected three new archivists, it is the perfect time to give Vand a well-earned promotion. Over the last several years, Vand has been indispensable to the operation of the TSPTF and maintenance of our wiki. In truth, he is already a curator in all but title. Therefore, I am officially asking the community for their support in promoting him to the next level. Scrawland Scribblescratch 00:56, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

  • Discussion
    • Vand is well-positioned and experienced for such a role. Centrist16 | Talk | Wiki 15:57, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
    • Some days, it feels as if Vand is the only true Wiki admin. A person that perfectly embodies the core principles of the rules preamble. A person who is always present to help acclimate and direct new members into the Wiki community, regardless if it is on Discord or the wiki itself. A person who never grows tired or overwhelmed by the questions or complaints of the people, while never compromising the principles of the community he follows. A person who is a terror to the vandals but gentle to the contributors. Even though I've been on the wiki longer than he has, his wisdom and insight earned my respect as a mentor, if not father figure, for which I may not have the gumption to move forward with my own desires or plans for the improvement of the Wiki if it wasn't for his guidance and support. Many times during a fiasco in the community, I would have otherwise remained completely silent if I had not known he was on my side. The future of the Wiki hangs on the ability to cultivate more leaders like him Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess 17:10, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
    • I'd like to very much thank Scraw for this nomination, as well as everyone who has voiced support for it, and I accept the nomination. Vandenhoek (talk) 23:17, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Brass/Directors

SouthWriter

South has been an editor of the wiki for quite some time now. As a Lieutenant, he's proved himself quite effective at helping to administer the wiki, especially with regards to keeping the peace. Many times have I seen him willing to offer advice, or to lend a hand with a timeline, but also as a sounding-board in general. In short, he's always willing to help others. As such, I nominate him for the position of Brass in the TSPTF. Lordganon 23:13, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

  • Supporters
    • Jazon Naparleon 21:14, May 18, 2011 (UTC)
    • I was considering asking LG and Oerwinde myself to consider South. He is definitely worthy of the position and is of the same caliber, IMO, of such retired Brass members as Mitro and Louisiannan. BrianD 00:25, May 18, 2011 (UTC)
    • South is everything and admin should be. Level headed, helpful, etc.Oerwinde 19:55, May 22, 2011 (UTC)
    • Mister Sheen 22:03, May 22, 2011 (UTC)
    • Fed (talk) 22:52, May 22, 2011 (UTC)
    • Katholico 15:07, May 24, 2011 (UTC)
    • Alexanders 15:51, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
  • Objectors
  • Discussion

For some reason, I could not find this page. I guess the newer format is confusing or something. But nonetheless, with LG's help, here I am. And so, I formally accept the nomination in this spot as I have already informally on other talk pages. Thank you all for your support. SouthWriter 17:45, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Oh yes, why do I want to serve in this capacity? Well, with retirements and such, the remaining Brass are needing help and LG, recently promoted to the Brass after nomination by Oerwinde (the last active Brass), has nominated me -- even though, or perhaps because, I have had 'run ins' with him before. :-) What can I say, the hardest part is coming up with a title. But seriously, it is an honor to help the whole wiki promote this fascinating genre as I am able. I hope to continue interacting with anyone who is willing to come to be for advice, and hope to shield the wiki from those that would degrade the quality I have come to expect in its articles. SouthWriter 18:45, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

BrianD

Brian is another long-standing editor of this wiki. As a Lieutenant, he has proved himself, in my opinion at least, of being an able administrator. His involvement with regards to editing lies primarily in the world of 1983, where he is a great aid in making articles able to graduate, but he is always willing to lend a hand wherever it is needed. I've seen him go above and beyond when it comes to dealing with messes around here, along with routine things such as reverting vandalism and helping others. As such, I nominate him for the position of Brass in the TSPTF. Lordganon 23:13, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

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I am honored to have been nominated by Lordganon and accept the nomination. I've been active for just over two years and have tried to be productive in creating articles and in helping maintain the wiki in general and 1983:DD in particular. I want to continue to do both, and also to be more helpful and supportive of all editors who contribute here. BrianD 00:22, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Katholico

Kath is one of our long-time Lieutenants, for more than a year now. He's also been the main administrator over at our Spanish counterpart for a long time. As someone who's been active, he's also been diligent in maintaining this place, even holding the last Stirling Award handed out for it. He's also great editor, contributing to many different timelines around here, and giving advice on even more. And now, Brian is taking a break - and the first name that popped into my mind to join the Brass to help was Kath's. All of this, and more, is why I nominate him for the rank of Brass in the TSPTF. Lordganon 05:45, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

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    • Thanks again LG for the nomination. I'm glad to accept it. Just i can say that i will continue working for and by the wikia from the better possible way. --Katholico 06:04, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Imperium Guy

Imp has been one of the most helpful members of our community. He's very active, meaning he's readily available to help wherever and whenever he's needed. If there's an issue among players, Imp readily mediates to the best of his ability. Should a problem arise on a game or a talk page, he's there, making sure things turn out well to the best of his ability. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that he is one of the driving forces behind the wiki. He does what he can when he can to better the wiki and its citizens. He's incredibly pleasant to deal with and very open-minded about ideas, leading me to believe that he deserves the position of Brass, cool nickname and all! Go get 'em! I know you'll do well!

CrimsonAssassin- gib clay 20:31, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

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    • This is pretty big. And unexpected. But here we go then. I accept my nomination for Brass and I thank Crim for presenting me with such an opportunity. I really would not have thought that I would have been able to get to Brass, but I think my aim to try to help out users must have left some sort of impact on minds. I have generally tried to be a positive force in the wiki - calm down arguments and get users to make peace. I have also tried to help out other members of the TSPTF and keeping the wiki in good shape by rollbacking spam and banning trolls to the best of my ability. I try to contribute to the wiki as best as I can and I hope to help users wherever I can, as I feel this helps to improve the scope of information and ideas in the wiki. I feel by becoming a member of Brass, it would help me to present a more calming influence and help combat fights even better - allowing for a better environment of timeline writing and map gameplay. I hope I stand up to all expectations and I hope I do a good job. Thank you! And its still no squirrels allowed. XD Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:46, March 30, 2014 (UTC)
    • Unexpected my ass. I recommended the whole thing over an hour ago, but I can't nom you, yah little... anyhow, can your title be Bane of the Squirrevolution? BTW, Crim, you can't vote again.                Every Silver Lining has it's cloud- And HERE I AM!  20:48, March 30, 2014 (UTC)
    • Also, hello? What do you mean "thank Crim"? Whose idea was this?                Every Silver Lining has it's cloud- And HERE I AM!  20:51, March 30, 2014 (UTC)
    • grumbles* CrimsonAssassin- gib clay 21:19, March 30, 2014 (UTC)
    • Well, thank Crim too. But Crim wouldn't be doing this were it not for me.                Every Silver Lining has it's cloud- And HERE I AM!  21:22, March 30, 2014 (UTC)
    • It was still pretty damn unexpected - "hey guys - I think Imp should be brass"  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:30, March 30, 2014 (UTC)
    • More like "I'm bored. Want to make Imp brass?" xD                Every Silver Lining has it's cloud- And HERE I AM!  21:43, March 30, 2014 (UTC)
    • Simple. We need more Brass...and Imp is truly worth to be the next one! :) FirstStooge (talk) 03:26, March 31, 2014 (UTC)
    • Nah, don't need more. Too many chiefs already. But that's not a reason to oppose something. Lordganon (talk) 12:21, March 31, 2014 (UTC)
    • Thank you, means a lot! :)  Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:29, March 31, 2014 (UTC)
    • Pita! YAY! XD  Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:56, April 1, 2014 (UTC)
    • Imp for Gandhi! Yes we might - 2014 campaign. SkyGreen24 22:17, April 13, 2014 (UTC)
    • It's been 16 days. If not Bane of the Squirrevolution (let's save that for Feddy, someday), can we go for Grand Poobah of the Austere Tempore?            Tonight the foxes will hunt the hounds!  22:56, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

MP

Monster Pumpkin is a good user. He has been here for two years and in those two years, he has been a valued and respected member of the community. He is one of the few active lieutenants and often does his duty against vandals and trolls and any other problem that might face the wiki. I believe he definitely has what it takes to be promoted. He has demonstrated that he is capable of exercising his powers properly and is also frequently seen in chat, which allows him to interact with the users of the wiki. MP has been a good lieutenant, so I think it's time for him to become a brass.

                SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   04:45, April 7, 2015 (UTC)

Scrawland Scribblescratch

In line with the idea of putting more people in the TSPTF to help oversee reforms and bring life to the wiki, I think it would be best for another experienced and active user to join me in the lofty ranks of the Brass. I can think of no one better than Scraw, who has proven himself as a dedicated member of both the TSPTF and the wikia. He's practically my Althistory twin in many aspects, and I'd be happy to see him take his rightful place.

"This is not your grave but you are welcome in it." 01:23, January 25, 2016 (UTC)

  • Discussion
    • I accept this nomination. I would like to thank MP for nominating me. Just last week the two of us have been on this wiki for four years now. This wiki means a lot to me because when I joined, it was a great place for discussion about all sorts of topics and also a great community for writers who wanted to make althistory content. Although many believe this wiki has declined in recent years, I think it still has the potential to be that great place again. I want to help restore it in this time of reform and stuff. I look forward work with the people to make America the wiki great again. ~ S 02:07, January 25, 2016 (UTC)
    • This is nothing to do with scraws nomination but I was thinking of maybe a Lt or a brass to nominate nuke for brass, I think he deserves it. Awesome history 28 (talk) 16:22, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
    • Would do it if I thought he'd accept. Lordganon (talk) 21:47, February 3, 2016 (UTC)

SkyGreen24

Sky has been here for some time now, and he's soon a considerable degree of skill when it comes to managing both the wiki and the people who frequent it. While light on the timelines, he has proven to have great ideas for both the ones he has started and the wiki as a whole. I can't think of an example where Sky has been a part of any major dispute or controversy and I can't think of anyone who dislikes him either. Finally, he has the eccentricity required for every member of the Brass. As such, I am honored to nominate him to join the sacred assembly of alloys. 

"This is not your grave but you are welcome in it." 18:07, August 11, 2016 (UTC)

NuclearVacuum

I want to start this nomination by saying I'm thoroughly surprised this has not happened sooner. I've been on the wiki for quite some time and a lot of things have changed. One of the few things that has remained constant is that Nuke is always on top of things. He keeps the wiki clean, maintained, and he has an active role in making sure people know the law of the land as far as formatting goes, which is a very tricky and time-consuming task. He's regularly active, he's quick to respond, and he knows the inner workings of the wiki better than anyone I know. With the departure or inactivity of several Brass, I think it's time we made some more Brasses and I can't think of a user more deserving of this role than Nuke. I think it's time we made this guy a Brass.

Curmudgeonly yours - Crim 22:58, July 9, 2018 (UTC)

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  • Discussion
    • Thank you so much for the nomination. I'm very honored and happy by this and look forward to the opportunity to help everyone. --​ NuclearVacuum​ 02:10, July 10, 2018 (UTC)

Impeachments

Constable Upvoteanthology

For a more complete view of the situation today, you may view the TSTPF talk page. What we have shown there, to little retort, is that Upvote clearly abuses her chadmin powers by refusing to kick her friends, by harassing other users with them, and by acting irresponsibly with her powers. The Question today, as Edge said, is not if up is a good contribute, but if she is a good chadmin. Saturn120 was nearly unanimously shot down because people thought he was too immature. If that is reason enough to reject someone's Chadmin candidacy, then what upvote has done is enough to warrant removal of her power. We understand that she is supposed to propuse a compromise, but because she has, as her friends have said, no computer access, then the logical next step is to continue the process. Remember, vote on if Up is a good chadmin, not a good contributor or intelligent user, but a responsible chadmin who has used her powers for the good of order and sanity.

-- Consul Ioshua (Talk)
01:51, July 28, 2015 (UTC)

  • Supporters
  • Objectors
    • If we impeached every admin who made a couple errant kicks or argued or showed disdain towards another user, we'd have no admins. The animosity towards Ms comes to mind. I am that guy (talk) 01:54, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
    • Mods harass other users and it slides. One kick and the whole bloody village is off to kill that person. United Republic
    • ..... Everyone is S-A-W-F-T! SSSAAAWWWFFFTTT!!!!!!
    • Though I haven't seen the complete list of people Upvote has kicked/banned or the reasons behind them, I am fairly certain that the vast majority of them have been for perfectly valid reasons (especially after the screenshots UR has uploaded, even if they meant to be 'comical' in nature). As IATG said; if we kicked every admin that has errantly kicked, like, three people out of a hundred, we'd have no mods at all. RichMill | Talk 02:33, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
    • From my experience, Upvote has been a consistently mature, competent, and reasonable mod. I see no reason in banning her. --I was Normandy in PM2. It was great. (talk) 10:23, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
    • --Kaori, The New Tokyo Native (talk) 17:48, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
    • I'm outraged you people want to impeach a great chadmin. If anyone should be impeached, it's you. This is disgraceful.
  • Discussion
    • Guy, what do you mean by your example? Ms is a completely different ball game; he's not an admin, nor is he held to the same accountability that this wiki's staff is. And to be honest you weren't here for what happened. It was not a couple of kicks and arguments, it was a generally poor performance at all times, and a general hostility to other users. Fritzmet (talk) 01:58, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
    • UR, there's a whole bunch of other things. Not just one kick. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, I guess. ~ Scraw 02:08, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
    • I think I speak for everyone uncertain about this when I say there is a sense of honor to be neutral. I haven't been on the wiki nearly as long as many others, and even shorter have I attended the chat. I haven't extensively read the chat rules, as I'm sure few people have. Of course, if it were up to me from my limited experience I'd say that Upvote is one of the wisest, kindest persons I've ever met, but fortunately it's not up to me. Socrates was once proud to say "I know that I know nothing" Nathan1123 (talk) 02:20, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
    • Rich, the Screenshots UR posted are nothing more than political slander. They prove nothing about Upvote as a chadmin. To respond to Guy's argument, the problem is Upvote fails to use her powers constantly. If you took one of your anti-MS admins, they would kick me if repeatedly spammed in all caps, and insulted other users. Upvote wouldn't. #PraiseRoosevelt.
    • How does one make a vote without reviewing all the evidence? That doesn't seem right. ~ Scraw                 SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   05:10, July 28, 2015 (UTC) Clearly people did not bother to read the long list of complaints so I'll just put it down here.
    • Cookie do you understand that we aren't banning her at all? #PraiseRoosevelt. 16:04, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
 A: Case against Upvote by Edge 

It Brings me sadness to write this, because I supported Upvote for Chadmin. But Upvote has clearly reached two reasons for facing impeachment, you could argue 3 of the 4.

  • They are not actively participating as a member of the TSPTF.
  • They have have not been fair, restrained, and/or constructive in their dealings with other editors.
  • They consistently refuse to follow the conventions and guidelines of this community.

Like I said, you could argue on that last one but I digress. Because this is a sensitive issue with little precedence, I will go through and clearly describe why Up deserves to be considered for impeachment

Cronyism...

When you see this word on this wiki, most people jump to Ms and his friends, but you can apply this to Upvote as well. Upvote outright refuses to kick her friends on the wiki, and if you appose her friends, you are violating some form of cosmic law that only she knows about. The best example of this would be various arguments I have had with a user, Lightning Lynx. There are two examples when LL and I got into an argument, and LL started insulting me personally attacking me, calling me a Retard on one occassion and writing various profanities in all caps. Was Upvote present? Yes. Was LL kicked or even warned to stop? No. On one occassion another mod stepped in to stop it, and in the other I told Up that LL was bothering me and she refused to act. Less than an hour later she even made jokes about the incident. Admittledly, I could have done more to avoid the argument, but I was not writing in all caps profanities that would turn a salior's head. I was using Logic, Rhetoric, sources, and general debate flow, while LL just responded by yelling at me with his keyboard. Upvote was present and active in both situations and she refused to act. This clearly shows fuffils the first reason for impeachment. I could also write in more detail about these incidents if it is required. While we are on the topic of friends, lets move on to another issue.

Ace009...

Ace wrote on the TSTPF Page that he felt persecuted by Up, and while many shruged it off, when combinded with other incidents, there seems to be a clear bias against Ace on Upvote's part. While Ace often acts out of line, he is most often provoked by Up. Up will often jump in when another user critizes Ace, turning what may of been something constructive into an "Let's pick on Ace fest." It's borderline cyberbullying and several times Ace has wanted to leave the wiki because of what is mostly her harrasment.  While other users have at times picked on Ace, Upvote is the only one who has no justifaction in it. JoshtheRoman told Ace that he never contributed to their collaboritive timeline, Upvote jumped in on it, saying Ace never contributes to anything at a time when Ace was an active member in PM3.

When going back and re-reading Ace's post, a few things stand out to me. The first is this...

  • Upvoteanthology "anything future is space-themed for Ace" "ya dingus"

The game she is talking about isthis. Though it might be scary for some to read a MGW page, if you do read it, you will see that it is not Space Themed. In fact, a quick search through Ace turns in that game will show that he doesn't even mention Space. Upvote clearly jumped to assumptions here, but that isn't what stands out to me most. What stands at most is when she threatens ace with a ban if he talks about his games on chat. Did she threaten people when they where talking about Map Game of Thrones 2? No. Does she threaten people who talk about PM3? No. Did she ever threaten me when I made a game and talk about it on chat? No.  Even further down on this, She tells ace to "Shut the Fuck up" and then goes an throws her rank at Ace

There are many other instances when Up has borderline bullied Ace beyond the chat log I have torn apart for you today. For the Sake of not spending 2 hours writing this, let me move on.

Abuse of Power...

Tonight more than ever, Upvote has shown a clear abuse of power. tonight, to which I have several witnesses, upvote has acted against one of her duties. Let me begin with some background. There has been murmers of me getting a nommination for the TSTPF. 2 users, who despite being vocal in their support for me will be left unnamed, have said they wanted to nom me for chadmin. Recently, Upvote's first and token Timeline, Vikings in the New World, has been nominated for a fetured Timeline status. When I resonably voted against it, upvote got upset. She said that I either needed to vote yes, or not vote at all. when I refused to remove my legitamte vote, she stated that she would remember this when I got nominated. This is clearly a low key threat to try and get me to remove my vote, with Upvote knowing that a vote from a TSTPF member is valuable in elections, but it gets better/worse(r?). As users began to voice legitamte opinions against the Timeline, upvote became more and more withdrawn from the chat. Saying that she didn't care about the nomination. Her aformentioned Crony, LL, began to rant and insult people, saying that we took this too "ceral" and that we need to lighten up. He called the people on chat "Faggots" and when I said he was acting immature, he responded with fuck you. Scraw kicked him for being unconstructive, and with no warning, I was kicked by up. When I came back, Up justifed it by saying something along the lines of "If we are going to kick people randomly, might as well kick someone else." I didn't Fexcept this. If she wanted to joke kick someone, there are several users who's name was before and after me on the user list. Why not randomly kick Fritz, or someone else? I came back to chat and asked why I had been kicked several times, to which upvote ignored. I then mentioned impeachment, hoping that by raising the stakes I could get a resoponse. Did I? Nope. Do I still want one? Yup. Did Up respond when I mentioned impeachment? Yes. So she clearly saw what I wanted and chose to ignore it.

Conclusion...

Upvote is an amazing contributuer, who clearly has many good ideas. But does that make her a good chadmin? This is the question I am asking you to answer. Don't look at her achivments as an editor, look at her achivements as a mod. If you can honeslty find me one example where she acted completly unbiased, against her own intrests, for the bennifit of the community, then I can understand your objections. If you can find one time when She enforced order, then feel free to vote no to this impeachement. But what I have shown today are moments where Upvote did more harm then good. Sure, everyone may look at her stirling awards, and look at all the TL's she works on, and think that she deserves her chadmin status. But remeber the question I posed in the start of this paragraph. Does that make her a good chadmin? That is what I wll leave you with today. One single question.

~Edgeofnight

 B: Case against Upvote by Spar 

I think I have been a victim of Upvote before. Yes, I am referring to that short ban, but if we had a chat log for it, you would see my point. Also, another example of cronyism is an underage user that got on chat. For the sake of sanity and reason, the user will be unnamed. I noted a spelling error, and guessed the users age. I was wrong, but Up told me his age, and then kicked me. In fact, Up's claim that he only insulted me defensively is BS of the highest order, as I was the one doing that.

Of course, Up clearly has another crony, in a way. Namely, United Republic. He did spam me in PM with Lenny faces, and did even tell Up he was doing. Up told him not to do it, but really, that wasn't much of a response. UR has also annoyed me several times, and frankly, it's annoying. I suspect Upvote is helping UR not get banned or kicked from chat.

I can also testify that yes, Upvote does have a grudge against Ace. But if we all recall, I made mention if the fact Upvote used insults and stuff against me, as well as the "he doesn't deserve to live" one. For someone with autism, that can really hurt. Also, you all said you would look into it, but nothing really came up from it. I want an answer for that still. Upvote, IMO, has a grudge against me as well as Ace.

Frankly, Upvote has grown disillusioned with power. I support impeachment, even if I don't matter in the vote.

Spartian300 (talk) 13:38, July 24, 2015 (UTC)

 C: Case against Upvote by Josh II 

I agree with all of Edge's points. From a neutral viewpoint it has been obvious that Upvote is practically a leader of her own 'cronies', most of which agree LL is included in, but several more users may be also within the tight-knit group. Not only does she voluntarily not discipline them when need be; but also she is openly hostile (in general) to anybody not in this group. Ace is a victim of said practice, and is often victim of ridicule among the chat in general. However, Upvote, except recently took this to another level. So much as to Scraw and MP having to step in to stop an argument Upvote and Ace was having. It's quite ironic that the person put in place to defuse tense situations in chat, is the one who is lowering the quality of chat. Although Upvote knows Ace has Aspergers syndrome among of many symptoms include

  • Difficulties in basic elements of social interaction

Taken from Wikipedia:

“ People with AS may not be as withdrawn around others, compared to those with other, more debilitating forms of autism; they approach others, even if awkwardly. For example, a person with AS may engage in a one-sided, long-winded speech about a favorite topic, while misunderstanding or not recognizing the listener's feelings or reactions, such as a wish to change the topic of talk or end the interaction. ”

Said behavior gives excuses for Ace's speech in chat, Upvote's speech in chat, I can find no excuse for...

I have failed to obtain screenshots of said situations, but I have several witnesses of these events such as Scraw, Edge and other trusted members of this community.

Consul Ioshua (Talk)
13:25, July 24, 2015 (UTC)

 D: Case against Upvote by Fritzmet 

These are some good points, and I can personally vouch for them as well. Last night was a prime example of Lynx spamming chat with curse words and insults. Most of the other users in chat, ironically the less respected ones like Tr0llis, were trying to calm him down. Upvote as a moderator had an obligation to step in, but refused to kick Lynx. On the other hand he then kicks Edge out of anger, and if you look at the context, it was right after he refused to change his vote on her timeline.

While a lot of users mess with Ace on occasion, this is largely on Upvote's instigation. The frequent encouraging and participating in bullying on this site by someone who is supposed to be above that is intolerable. We have created a chat where people think that is okay as a result, and I have to hold Upvote responsible for not upholding the office of constable to a higher standard.

Additionally last night Upvote is responsible for the principle "shitstorm" that erupted. In addition to kicking Edge and then refusing to justify it (if she had said it was a joke or something maybe he'd be less mad, instead it was a form of intimidation), Upvote began the night by posting a lie on the nominated timelines page. She stated that OBS only had one century, when this was objectively false; it has five. It's clear this was done for the purpose of slandering Tr0llis/his timeline, now when it was up for election. When asked about this she said that people had done the same to her, namely the statement that VINW is "mostly stubs". The loophole was that she said, it's not mostly stubs because she obsoed all the stubs. Of course that makes VINW even less full of content, but that is irrelevant to this conversation. The point is she started an argument that is petty and immature, and is what I've come to expect. Immediately after that is when she and Lynx began their rants.

So for all those reasons I'm afraid I agree with you guys. Fritzmet (talk) 14:19, July 24, 2015 (UTC)

 E: Case against Upvote by Tr0llis 

It is clear she abuses her moderator power to selectively ban or not ban certain users. Additionally she uses her moderator powers for political censorship, in the case of trying to remove criticism of her time, or squash a TSPTF election. Last night I witnessed some of this first hand, and if what everyone is saying is true, it appears to get much worse.

I support this motion for that reason. Also I assume if she doesn't answer here it goes to the actual vote? Tr0llis (talk) 15:07, July 24, 2015 (UTC)

 F: Case in defense of Upvote and LightningLynx (who is not being impeached) 

My whole view on the situation... you guys probably won't care, but who cares anyway?

When I look at this impeachment “forum”, I guess you could call it that. There’s a lot of things I see wrong with it. Some problems come from circumstances which Up has addressed. Also there’s something I’d like to address. For one I’m not a crony, I’m Up’s friend. Now I know someone is gonna use the whole “Well crony actually means a close friend or companion. So by proxy you’re a crony.” If you go by the literal dictionary definition than yes I guess I’ am a crony of Up. But we’re not using the wiki “crony term”. The wiki crony term is way more negative, usually a person who follows someone blindly. I don’t follow Up blindly. She is however a friend. One of the few people on the wiki I will actively talk to, others are included. I also seem to be the only one she talks to actively. As she is usually quiet and away, or working on something else that’s occupying her time. Listen there are times where I have not agreed with Up and I’ve had to reign her in. Either to tell her to “cool it you know” or “yeah this isn’t something you should get caught up in.” Just trying to be a good friend and look out for her.

Now this whole situation. This entire dumb drama situation can be put on me. I went on a whole rant. Now my rants are not serious. Completely not serious at all. Especially the entire caps lock rants. Where I go “FUCK YOU [insert person and thing here]!” They are completely non-serious and should be taken as a joke. As it’s a concept I’ve stolen from a Podcast I listen to and a subreddit a browse through quite a bit. It’s where people go on an inconsequential rant, where they over exaggerate a situation to the nth degree. To make light of it. It was mainly done to make fun of the more serious people who rant online and as well use caps locks while doing it. That’s what I was doing that caused this whole day time television drama event to occur. I was making fun of the whole featured timelines situation. Calling things “super cereal” and “fucking dumb.” It was done to make light of the whole situation. Over exaggerate it. But I guess Poe’s Law is a huge bitch ain’t it?

The thing I find most hard to believe is people saying I should’ve been kicked for it. I agree I should’ve been kicked. Had you all not seen and watch me do this multiple times. People have seen me do this rant before. A lot of people of this wiki have. Hell, people have joined in and one right after me. So I find it bullshit that people have claimed to have never seen it happen before. Because I know those users who say they haven’t were definitely present when I did one. Plus I first time I ever did one of my dumb rants Up did kick me. She straight up told me no caps lock spamming. Then I went on to tell her what I was doing. Explained what it was. What it was from. She got the idea. So she let me do it. So I guess this can all be attributed to me doing my dumb rant which is not serious, being mistranslated by others. Which later led into this whole dumb drama situation. I still it very hard to believe that many people have never seen me do at least one of those dumb rants.

Even if I do say this thing you guys will look at it and try and make your side more valid or something dumb like that. I dunno to be honest. This is just what I saw to become the root of the problem. That problem that day being me doing my dumb rant. As for the Ace situation I don’t find a problem with the guy. She actually doesn’t have a problem with him, just his constant talks of space. Which I know seems weird especially with his current situation. He can get on my nerves, but so do some of the guys and gals on here. I don’t hate you guys though. I consider you all good friends. I just don’t take anything I say in chat serious. Cause I don’t take myself serious. I know what I’m saying is dumb. But maybe you guys don’t, I dunno. Poe’s Law is a real bitch I guess.

..... Because I'm Just... Too... SSSWWWEEEEEETTT!!! 8:07 AM PST July 24, 2015

 G: Case against Scrawland, Josh, Rimp, others presented by United Republic; relevant discussion included 

Words from Scraw: I include this content because United Republic believes it is a defense of Upvote. It is not a defense of Upvote. It is simply a collection of images taken out of context that are intended to convince voters that if Group A (those against Upvote, including me, Josh, Rimp, oters) have done something wrong, therefore Upvote should not be impeached. Am I wrong in my statements? Perhaps. Does that mean Upvote didn't do something wrong? No. Upvote has done something wrong, and if you to choose to believe it, then perhaps I also have done something wrong. But what I have done wrong should not detract from what Upvote has done wrong. The motion to impeach Upvote should be based on the actions of Upvote. If people think that I am in the wrong and have been abusing my position as a Lieutenant in the TSPTF, which is what Upvote is being accused of, then I welcome an appropriate response. If not, then do not base your vote against Upvote based on what I have said. ~ Scraw 05:57, July 28, 2015 (UTC) I would like to present a series of screenshots from today's activity on the chat regarding Upvote.

I will also defend myself against everything UR accuse me of. But only me. I do not speak for the others.

  • A: I call Upvote literally worse than Hitler. I would provide a sarcastic response but clearly someone believe that I think Upvote is actually worse than Hitler. If you need clarification: I do not think so.
  • B: I say that I piss on Upvote's moderacy. Of course, I cannot urinate on that which is not physically present. By "piss on" I mean it is a great farce of a thing which I do not approve of. I do not approve of Upvote's moderacy for reasons stated above.
  • C: I say that Upvote acts like a goddamn 11 year old. This is my opinion. Upvote handles power as a child would.
  • D: This one is actually about Lynx, not Upvote.
  • E: In which I call Lynx's argument bullshit. I accuse him of thinking with his dick and subreddit bullshit. If you see Lynx's argument, he says that he got his idea for his "rant" from some subreddit.
  • F: Josh
  • G: I write a haiku which does not follow the format of a haiku. In it, I call Upvote a bitch (not a female dog. consult google for further clarification.) and accuse Lynx of sucking her dick. Not literally. Sucking one's dick can be interpreted as doing favors for the other person and doing what they ask of you and being in their control. I also call Edge a whoreson and Josh a pederast, which neither of them minded.
  • H: Rimp
  • I: Refer to previous comment about sucking dick.
  • J: Rimp
  • K: My comment is actually about Josh and his success with women. idk what the others are on about, but I do know that different points in time, Upvote has claimed to be of different ages and genders.
  • L: Rimp


Exhibit A

Exhibit B

Exhibit C

Exhibit D

Exhibit E (referring to Upvote and LL's platonic relationship)

Exhibit F (a poem written by Josh to United Republic)

Exhibit G
Exhibit H (death threat from RexImperio to United Republic, potential sexual assault threat against Upvote)

Exhibit I (nursery rhyme written by Scraw and directed against Upvote and Lynx)

Exhibit J

Exhibit K (Nathan1123 insisting on what Upvote gender is)

Exhibit L (RexImperio writing about sexual assault on Upvote)
Many of these screenshots are disturbing on multiple levels. Death threats, sexual harassment, general lewdness of people we are supposed to trust. This behavior is outrageous. I cannot believe that no one has brought this up before. I have lost an astonishing amount of respect for Scraw and Josh today for their obscene behaviors. I am sacrificing any future I have of ever gaining any power on this wiki, but after seeing their behavior today; I'd prefer not to be a part of that.

Cheers,
United Republic

Let me ask you a question, How is any of this relevent to Upvote's Blatant abuses of her rank and power? If you feel so offended by these issues, bring them up to the TSTPF at a more relevent time. #PraiseRoosevelt. 01:26, July 28, 2015 (UTC)

None of these screenshots have anything to do with the case though. Fritzmet (talk) 01:29, July 28, 2015 (UTC)

Answer: This shows the lewd behaviors of the mods who havebeen made out to be the heroes of this wild pursit of impeachment. It acts as a display of character against those who clame Upvote is abusive, whilst being abusive.

What's even more disgusting is that you are letting this slide. But one kick and the entire wiki wants to impeach someone!

Cheers,
United Republic

Most of those screenshots are obviously written in a sarcastic/joking tone.

—Bfoxius (talk)

I can't say I'm fully privy to all the information of the events that transpired, but everyone should agree that the above acts are both appalling and inexcusable. And I guess as long as death and sexual assault threats are written in a "joking" manner, everything is fine. Is that just the wiki we're ok with? I am that guy (talk) 01:46, July 28, 2015 (UTC)

Must I state what LL has said?

the Law of Poe

Consul Ioshua (Talk)
02:08, July 28, 2015 (UTC)

Excuse me for not being so willing to accept death and sexual assault threats as jokes as some people are. I am that guy (talk)

Exhibit H is directed towards an attempt by United Republic to make it seem like we were pedophiles, obsessed over Upvoteanthology. In response to this, I made a sarcastic remark saying "Oh no! Our pedophile ring is at risk of exposal" followed by Exhibit H. I do not personally see how my statement could be seen as a death threat in any possible way, and it is extremely unfortunate that United Republic feels that way. As far as sexual assault in concerned, I would like to set my priorities straight. I am not interested in men so I would not be interested in sexually assaulting Upvoteanthology in any possible way.

Moving on to Exhibit J, I merely stated a fact. Upvoteathology is a guy, which is a fact. I shall not at any moment pretend that Upvoteathology is a woman, when that is most certainly not the case. He is a guy, and that is a fact. I am not going to lie under any circumstances in order to please another person, who in this case isn't even on chat.

Finally, Exhibit L. The conversation shown is one between RexImperio and Nathan1123, in regards to a supposed scenario where Nathan1123 engages in bestiality with his cat who turns out to be Upvoteanthology. Given that Nathan1123 had no problem with what I said, and went on to joke about it, I see no reason as to why the user United Republic should have any problem. I reserve the right to express my opinion, and I shall not remain quite because a user who isn't around, doesn't know whats happening and can't access the wiki doesn't like it. One more thing, "Nathan rapes Upvo" is not sexual assault in any possible way, unless you can somehow sexually assault a person over the internet.

+ Exhibit I is one of the best poems I've ever read. If I could, I'd nominate it for a Sterling.                The night is dark and full of terrors. 
Rimp, let me respond to what you said.
Re: Exhibit H: I remember stating multiple times that I wasn't calling you pedophiles. I DID however, say that you guys are putting way too much energy and thought into impeaching her. Hell, Josh tried using me to get him to talk to her. Shouldn't that raise a bit of concern; the fact that you are trying so desperately to talk to a 13 year old girl? Come on now.

Re: Exhibit J: That is your OPINION, not a fact. If you said she is a MALE, then that would be different. There is a difference between sex and gender. Sex is male or female. Gender is a whole different concept. Sex is biological and based off of an individual's reproductive system, while gender is based off of social roles and gender identity[4]

Re: Exhibit L: Anyone could have looked at that conversation and easily be disturbed. And some people cannot tell the difference between a joke or a legitimate threat, especially sexual.

Sex crimes are usually viewed in a negative light, RexImperio. Some people handle jokes about sex crimes differently than one who is unaware of how society views those crimes. From my perspective, I don't think you quite understand what public view of sex crimes, or jokes about sex crimes, are viewed in a modern day society.

That's all for now. Cheers,
United Republic

It is unfortunate that I shall have to post here once again.

Exhibit H: It does not matter what the age of Scrawland Scribblescratch or JoshTheRoman is. If Upvoteanthology has committed a crime, it is their duty to speak out against it. No one is obsessed over Upvoteanthology, and I am quite sure that no one is interested in having a sexual relationship with Upvoteanthology either. If we went by your logic, all enthuastic supporters of Malala would've been termed pedophiles simply because they were obsessed over Malala. Finally, in your last statement where you tried to indirectly point out that we had 'pedophile tendencies' by emphasizing your obsession over a 13 year old Upvoteanthology, perhaps I should remind you that I am 15. In that case, I don't qualify as a pedophile even if I were somehow in love with Upvotenathology.

Exhibit J: It is actually you who is confusing Sex and Gender. I stated a fact, when I called Upvoteanthology a guy. The synonym of 'guy' is man and hence a male. I've yet to encounter any 'Male' who identified himself as anything other than 'Man' with Transgenders being the only exception. However, that raises the question whether Upvoteanthology is a Transgender. The answer is no. He may identify himself as a Transgender, but that is not a fact. I could start calling myself the King of the United Kingdom, but that would be an outright lie. Finally, Upvoteanthology believes he is a transgender with feminine tendencies, is interested in woman and identifies himself as a lesbian. I've no idea what to make of that.

A sexual threat to a person whos identify I do not know of, whos location I am not aware of and who is most likely living thousands of miles away. Interesting, did you call 9/11 after the sexual threat by me, supposedly directed towards Upvoteanthology?

Sex crimes are always viewed in negative light. However, when it is quite obvious that one is telling a joke, it would be better if others who have problems keep to themselves. How else do you explain a cat magically transforming into Upvoteanthology..? To be honest, if we're going to speak about sex crimes, might as well take into account [[5]] where Upvoteanthology harasses a user, repeatedly stating 'kill yourself'. If I am sex offender, Upvoteanthology is a murderer.                The night is dark and full of terrors. 

    • Cookie, she isn't being banned, this is a vote to remove her from the TSPTF, on a different note, you haven't been active on chat for the past few months either.

-- Consul Ioshua (Talk)
16:24, July 28, 2015 (UTC)

    • Well, gentlemen, evidence to support out case here:
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NOTE: The following was sent to me by someone. ~Ace

Can I just point out that, as Toby showed me, Upvote has made posts to the AH forums since the start of this discussion? because she has: http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/search.php?searchid=20269638 . This breaks claims that she has had no computer access, seeing as her most recent post was the 26th, and she was asking about Alterntives to inkscape, a computer program. Even if you want to go with the argument that she lost it in the last two days (Which goes against the initial claim), then she has still dodged this discussion, which should be enough to show you that Upvote has no justification for her actions. The screenshot above was provided by a user on chat who has asked to remain out of this.If you look at the picture, that is upvote's avatar from a few months back. Way before this started. And before anyone claims that upvote was avoiding drama, I told her and her friends allegedly told her she was at risk of losing her powers. I made the attempt the 24th, and the tstpf post the same night, and she still chose to ignore it. #PraiseRoosevelt. 19:15, July 28, 2015 (UTC)

That's because she doing it on her phone Edge. Her phone doesn't work on the wiki, it works easily on the AH.com forums. - ..... All of you are S-A-W-F-T! SSSAAAWWWFFFTTT!!! 12:19 PM PST July 28, 2015

Why would her phone not be able to work on Wikia, but work on althistory? Why would she be posting questions about computer questions on her phone? Also how is that an excuse when Edge and others use mobile to go on the wiki all the time? Tr0llis (talk) 19:26, July 28, 2015 (UTC)

Hey I don't know what phone she uses. So chill. Hell my phone barely works on the wiki. But yeah, Up is currently restricted to her phone. For some reason it doesn't work on this wiki. - ..... All of you are S-A-W-F-T! SSSAAAWWWFFFTTT!!!

If she's restricted to her phone why would she be asking questions about how to download stuff to her computer days later. Also Lynx why are you focusing on the computer thing and neglecting the giant piece of evidence that Ace posted? Fritzmet (talk) 19:46, July 28, 2015 (UTC)

Because that evidence is bullshit and fake. Why would Up herself tease someone and bully someone into committing suicide, when she herself has stated on multiple occasions that she has had suicidal thoughts. Plus if the fake chat doesn't even show the user kick message, come on guys use your heads. You're all smarter than this. Oh and the whole her on the AH.com forums. She was asking about it for when she got back, because a user by the name of Aven used it in one of his maps and she wanted to know how to use it. Also Ace who sent you that picture? As well if you guys are tracking her on other websites you should know that her parents took her computer away. - ..... All of you are S-A-W-F-T! SSSAAAWWWFFFTTT!!! 1:36 PM PST, July 28, 2015http://i.imgur.com/bESErN9.png

It's pretty common for people who feel depressed/bullied to bully others. I think overall she is just trying to get attention here, which is where the abuse of mod powers come in. It doesn't show the user kicked message because it's a PM. So now she's changing her story/lying about computer theft? Ratcolor (talk) 20:57, July 28, 2015 (UTC)

Supergamer1 just said this in TFOE Chat. I'm banning him for a day unless any TSPTF member objects. Here is the link: http://i.imgur.com/bESErN9.png

-- Consul Ioshua (Talk)
21:50, July 28, 2015 (UTC)


Did everyone forget about the time Upvote insisted that other homosexual and transexual users on the wiki were not actually what they claimed, because they did not feel depressed? And remember she said they didn't deserve to call themselves certain things, didn't deserve to identify as themselves, and at the end of the day, didn't deserve to be human? And this went on for quite some time, with frequent harassment. Harvenard2 (talk) 22:01, July 28, 2015 (UTC)

I call bullshit on Ace's "evidence." Ace, why are the names blanked out? Why does this look like it could be easily done with inspect element? Who is the victim so we can ask him/her if it's true?

It's really un-fucking-believable that the same people who shot down all 12 of my exhibits are accepting Ace's BS claims like it's true. Like I can't even deal with some of these people anymore.

Cheers,
United Republic

To be fair though your screenshots included someone calling someone a "guy", and you labelled it sexual harassment. Not to mention your screenshots are just as dubious considering they're one conversation chopped into pieces without context. Some of them didn't even seem like offensive conversation about Up. And they have nothing to do with proving or disproving Upvote a good moderator, so they have basically no use here. And Ace's screenshot is probably blacked out to prevent you or someone else harassing the user in question. Lynx did the same thing with his screenshots on chat, and if you look at other discussions on the TSPTF talk page you'll see some are blacked out as well. Fritzmet (talk) 23:46, July 28, 2015 (UTC)

Yea, someone did all that inspect element work back when up had that profile picture (note: this was long before impeachment) knowing that months later we would have an impeachment for Up. If you want to claim that someone could inspect element everything, then screenshots are never valid evidence. INspect element is used for one or two sentences to troll people, not entire conversations. By that logic what josh just posted is invalid because he could have done inspect element. and unless Someone is a photo shop genius, then they couldn't have added in up's old avatar perfectly like that. Yet you don't call bullshit when Up asks about a computer program on another site despite not having a computer apperently. <.sarcasm>Cause I know when I have no computer I always use my phone to ask for computer advice.</sarcasm> #PraiseRoosevelt. 02:09, July 29, 2015 (UTC)

Hmm.....

Honestly, I do feel like there could be something up. I mean, it's not that hard to use certain phones to access the wiki with a phone, since there is an app for it. Of course, Up should be more concerned with getting the stolen computer then what to do after getting it back.

Furthermore, I think that Super should be given a bigger punishment. He's a bit of a troll when there aren't any chatmods.

But still, Upvote should be getting emails about what's happening if the phone has wi-fi. Up should know what's going on. Plus, the fact a user wishes to not be named means something about this whole thing. Up would have no trouble identifying said user. I have also once accessed the wiki on a phone, and it wasn't even an iPhone. User:Spartian300

Vivaporius

No one is more sorry to report these accusations more than me. I have never posted an impeachment before, and of all people Viva is someone who I share a connection with on many topics. But, out of my loyalty to the wiki, which transcends human relationships, I must not remain blind to the damage Viva has caused to the wiki using his power as admin. In general, Viva is stubborn and beligerant with his arguments, actively upsetting the community and flooding the chat with his debates well beyond the breaking point of other users. This has been especially damaging for prospective new users, who takes one look at Viva's aggressive behavior and run for the hills. There even have been some users who have suffered personal vendettas from this admin, namely Jbwncster  and Simmy1993. 

The first specific incident that I was present for was when Viva was engaged in yet another argument with Simmy, simultaneous to the appearence of a new, rather respectable user, Anaei. In an rather eloquent chat post, Anaei explained she, being a history professor, was going to direct her students to the Althistory wiki, but after seeing the aggressiveness of some users (particularly Viva), she reconsidered her decision. After some outrage from the other users, Viva entered a private chat wtih Anaei, saying that all has been resovled. But a post on SkyGreen24's talk page reveals that all was not resolved, and Viva manipulated her words to make it seem that all was good, when in fact she was still offended.

Later on, a second incident happened where Viva recklessly promoted Octivian Marius, well known for his trolling, to chat mod with dissaterous effects, reigned in only when Sky arrived.

Finally, proving that Viva's actions have not slowed down at all, this very night he has abused his kicking powers against multiple users, and shown complete disregard for other users in the chat. 

Note: Impeachment just means Viva will be demoted to a lower position; I would not support anything more against him.

Yours obediant, لا إله إلا الله † وعيسى ابن الله 02:48, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

  • Objectors
    • ​ Hail Sean! (Get a free potato here)
    • Viva does far more good for this wiki than is being displayed in this narrow case. Reximus | Talk to Me! 03:44, March 17, 2016 (UTC)
    • We've overlooked worse. Besides, I think he does a great job. I am that guy (talk) 16:32, March 17, 2016 (UTC)
    • Regardless of his "over the top" mannerisms that I've observed, there doesn't appear to be any justification for impeachment.  NuclearVacuum Russian America 17:49, March 19, 2016 (UTC)
    • Guess im gonna vote im not gonna let his 'Harassment' of JB get him impeached. OCT MARIUS, Hail Marius User talk:Octavian Marius 22:44, March 20, 2016 (UTC)
    • He isn't that bad of a person. And he doesn't do a terrible job Nlenhardt (talk) 02:43, March 21, 2016 (UTC)
    • A couple reasons why I don't think why Viva should be impeached. First of all, it's the TSPTF's job to only take care of vandalism, not to pander to people's feelings (Which I see a lack of principle regarding). Second, there were no rules against promoting Oct, however the result was not how Viva imagined it. This happened once with Edge, and it was controlled, and there was less backlash. For some reason I think were all blaming the wrong person (Viva) over this and not the actual person who did the action, Oct. Though I do question Viva's intentions, I feel like it should be Oct who faces the blame. Finally, no rules were broken on the Anaei thing. Let it slide. I stand with Viva on this (Also, keep in mind I was away, so I probably have a more neutral stance on this than anyone else). Sat (Talk to me!) 23:28, March 21, 2016 (UTC)
    • Triumph is at hand (talk) I changed my vote, after i read Viva's defense, i had voted against mostly due to overextension in 95T and aggressiveness in Viva's arguements but i changed my mind, as none of this are really much of a reason to vote to get Viva impeached.
    • This impeachment is built on shaky grounds. User:Supergamer1User talk:Supergamer1
    • A bunch of people are voting against Viva for personal reasons. Template:JoshSig2
    • Through Stars We Rise. (Welcome to the Universe). 23:08, March 23, 2016 (UTC) - Alright, so as much as Viva has some anti-science rhetoric and honestly, Viva can be a bit irritating at times, that is no ground for impeachment. That and aside from the fact he is my friend. 
  • Discussion

Minor correction but Viva is a Admin, not a constable. #PraiseRoosevelt. 02:55, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

I won't vote, mostly on account of impeachments in general being a bad idea (*cough, cough* Upvote). However, I do have two things to say. First of all, Viva's kicking of me caused no harm at all, and I am fine with it being done, as I recognize it as a joke, and not even a particularly offensive one at that. However, I do agree that Viva has abused his mod powers at various points in time, and disiplinary action does need to be taken, though I don't think this is the best way to acomplish that. -- Sincerely ——Fires

Viva's Defense

If you are going to show pieces from chat, at least show everything as it was, not snip-its here and there. As we see in the first image, I was jesting with Super when I kicked him, simply joking about the "safe places" seen at colleges, and kicked him as a joke. Super apparently got the joke, while others complained about "abuse. I'm not the only person to have done this, and there have been many times where one user has said something as he was about to leave, and a mod "helps" him out by kicking him. It's something of a tradition if you will. In the second image, right before Nat's images where I say "cry more", the entire conversation is shown, where I explain my beliefs, and Candy demands I refer to the "proper pronouns" for Upvote, and I refuse, and tell her to "bug off" basically by saying "cry more". I like Upvote, but not enough to compromise on my personal beliefs, especially when the science is clear that if you have a certain set of chromosomes, it doesn't matter what you call yourself, you are that gender. I've dealt with this matter before over on Conworlds, it was a thing with the admin and his "friend" (who turned out to be a sockpuppet for the admin who was in fact transgender, go figure).

In the third image, Candy bemoans this and states that I should be impeached for not doing what she wanted, and by the fourth image, UR calls her out on her demands for an impeachment as it was basically a personal issue she had, not a legitimate one. As for Oct, I actually promoted him as a test (there are no rules against temporary mod status), and Oct failed it. The moment he kicked another user, I banned him, though Sky unbanned him and let him back in. It should be noted that I cannot "relent" if I took no further again. I didn't make Oct a temp mod again, and I let the tide flow unabated. I was somewhat saddened by the hatred many users had for Oct, and the swiftness with which they were willing to impeach me and ban Oct, just because Oct got temporary moderator powers. Though Oct's actions didn't help my view of him. If I must, I will express my regret for promoting Oct, but the behavior and reaction of the others in such a hostile fashion was uncalled for. Also, if Oct is a "known troll", then he would have been banned, but he hasn't as apparently, according to the other mods, Oct is not considered a troll, calling into question Bozi's claim.

I would remind Bozi, who appears once or twice on chat and does not see the chat during its average times, to remember that Jb was banned several times by other admins as well. He has constantly been called out by Edge, Fires, Feud, Sky, Scraw, and even Person, for his hostility toward other users, and his attempts to start arguments with others and then tell them to "calm down", pretending to be the "good guy/victim". One several occasions, when I banned him for harassing other users on chat, he went to Crimson and Scraw asking what "we were going to do about this", only to have them ignore him, and for good reason. So I again call into question where Bozi is getting this information from. As for Simmy, when I asked for critique on a topic I created, he went from attacking to topic to attacking my personal life, my family, and my beliefs, and when I was asked if I was married, I retorted "since we're asking each other personal questions, are you gay", and that shut him down as he refused to answer, to which I responded "then I guess personal questions aren't any of your business". Aside from that I avoid dealing with Simmy and do not address him. He complained about me once, and I ignored him. If he enjoys "interpreting" what other people say and do, then more power to him, but I don't waste my time trying to get on his "good side".

As for the arguments, there are no rules against defending your positions. In fact, the only complaints come from the side which has traditionally refused to substantiate their positions (ironically something Anaei complained about), and those who tire of the back and forth arguing. When other users do this, they receive the same treatment as I do. The only difference is that I won't let up, and the others simply try to shut it down by refusing to budge, something Anaei said again ("All I witnessed were short statements back and forth as bickering took place because the other side wouldn't even entertain the others point."). Case in point, the argument about the Congo. Edge admitted that he does not look up any information on the subjects he argues on, and simply makes "general calls". I on the other hand, go out and look for evidence to defend my arguments. When I gather this information together, they tend to form long posts, and thus, rather than counter them, the others just complain and refuse to counter the argument. Anaei's statment that users simply refuse to entertain the point of the other user is true, as in Edge's case, he attempted to redefine "navigable", and left chat when he couldn't accept the very clear meaning of the term.

As for Anaei, my interaction with Anaei was brief and that of a greeting. She was only present for a discussion Kras and I had about the Soviet Union, and she bemoaned the fact that neither Kras nor I posted links to our sources (something I have asked for several times ironically). However, I was the only one with the star next to my name, and there I was the one she focused on. Neither Kras nor myself were particularly aggressive, and both of us assumed that we where having a simple debate on the survivability of the Soviet Union based on the information we knew, but Anaei assumed that we were juveniles because that fact, and then insulted the entire community by saying, "Perhaps the age average has dropped as only children will stay bound to a limiting way of learning?" This insult coming from someone whom I assumed was more educated than they appeared. She didn't even know the entire community, and hadn't interacted with me before that time, yet cast one heck of a generalization if I ever saw one. At no point are you required to have a degree in history to enjoy talking about it. I assumed the history professor would know that, but I guess egos often take precedence over reason. Now Anaei says I "grossly misquoted" her. Now being one for sources, I would like to know exactly what I "grossly misquoted" her on.

I would expect a professor to keen to thoroughly examine the rules and policies of the wiki she is evaluating, and be prepared for what she might encounter. She stated: "I assumed this sort of site would pride itself on mature discussion, but i honestly felt the environment was incredibly hostile and closed minded. Perhaps the age average has dropped as only children will stay bound to a limiting way of learning?" Where did this wiki say that it was an educational site that was here to educate students and provide historical information for them. There are places for that and this wiki is not one of them. She is a college professor who teaches history. No doubt she is more than capable of providing sources that are more reliable that the one we use. She assumed that we would be "professionals", failing to understand that neither I nor any of the other admins on this site are paid for anything that we do, nor do we pretend to be experts of everything historical. Althistory is not a branch of Harvard or Yale. It is simply a wiki for alternate history projects for those having an interest in the subject.

The TSPTF's job is to stop harassment (in the case of Jb and Ratc), to stop vandalism, and to enforce the policies of the wiki. We do not form hugboxes and protect your feelings because someone won't use the "proper pronouns". As for Anaei, I want her to provide her end of the story, and I warn both Bozi and Anaei to tread carefully, as I have the entire discussion I had with her saved. I said things had been handled, whereas Bozi says Anaei disagrees with this not citing the source for his conclusion, so I am left to believe he is not telling the truth or part of it. Jb has a history of trying to have people banned for disagreeing with him, and Person went on a rant when Josh, Ace, and I were discussing Dirigism, believing I was magically forcing others to adopt the ideology. And Candy, I love the girl but seriously, she also has attempted to have people impeached or kicked for disagreeing with him (she PMed me asking my to stop UR's promotion because he helped Wild invade her nation). Sky, I expanded more from you. And Wrto, well, I don't really know who you are. I make no apologizes and I will no change my stance to stroke the ego of a few users. The Xania Encyclopedia Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 20:56, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

Just concerning the Oct thing here you can see that I was the one to demote him, as I was directly there when he got promoted. SkyGreen24 21:00, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

Correction added. The Xania Encyclopedia Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 21:03, March 16, 2016 (UTC)
In response to the argument of "we've overlooked worse", I want to say that there is no intent to single Viva out here. I think it is clear, and some admins agree with me, that we need higher standards for the mods on the wiki in general, so if there are other mods who cause the same issues on the wiki in the future, they should also be addressed. "we've overlooked worse" is a slippery slope that just allows for worse and worse admins over time. We need to go the other way. لا إله إلا الله † وعيسى ابن الله 17:18, March 17, 2016 (UTC)
In a wiki full of less-than-fully-active admins, Viva is an exception. Yet, he is consistently the first one whose name comes up for impeachment. He is correct that there is no "safe place". Why should ones opinions be suppressed simply because we disagree with them? That concept is ridiculous when college students try to enforce that at their schools, and it's ridiculous here. If we're going to impeach an admin, it should be because he abused his power, not because he stated an unpopular opinion. I am that guy (talk) 18:10, March 17, 2016 (UTC)
No one is saying his opinions are unpopular or even mistaken. I agree with most of what Viva says during his arguments. Nor am I saying that Viva's argumenitive or self-righteous attitude is wrong, either. There are many worse regular users, but they are restrained by admins of higher athority. So what I am saying is that such attitude is not a trait fitting of an admin. لا إله إلا الله † وعيسى ابن الله 13:57, March 18, 2016 (UTC)

Well... this impeachment does adress multiple issues, however I'd also like to link this, although it's a lot of image it's a fairly easy read and it shows the issues with Viva that have surfaced recently. SkyGreen24 19:32, March 17, 2016 (UTC)

Ah yes, I remember both discussions. The first one wasn't an argument, but the second one was. As you can clearly see in the first, Ace, Feud, and myself are engaged in a discussion about religion. Jb fumbles in and tells everyone to stop talking about it like the little tyrant he is, and then pins me as the person responsible for the discussion in the first place. I asked a simple, legitimate question, in which Ace engages in a cordial manner, and Jb interrupts when he wasn't even asked. Jb has whined about religious discussions in the past, and then played the victim when others demanded to know why he is so hostile toward me. When the topic of religion does come up, I'm typically asked my opinion on the matter, and I give it. Rarely do I bother with the topic unless it is already being discussed. This was simply one of the few times I asked, and only because the vocal atheists were in the room at the time. You of all people should know that much Sky. All you have shown is that Jb is a troublemaker and a nuisance, not that I abuse my powers. Jb has a history of attacking people, and the entire peaceful discussion turned into the dribble toward the end when Jb refused to let other people have their conversation. You have seen this behavior multiple times in the past Sky, and we've both gotten enough complaints about Jb for this to have been well known by now. The Xania Encyclopedia Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 00:10, March 18, 2016 (UTC)
"Jb fumbles in and tells everyone to stop talking about it like the little tyrant he is, and then pins me as the person responsible for the discussion in the first place."
"...and Jb interrupts when he wasn't even asked."
The first picture literally shows you starting the discussion by asking Jb and Simmy the question.
This one shows your unwillingness to stop and of course this pic might be important aswell.
Then this pic with you telling a user (no matter if it's jbw or not) to not come to chat if he doesn't like discussions started by you, even though you've been asked by him, me and Crim.
Now you haven't directly abused your power per se, but you did use your equal rank with others to do as you please as you can see here.
My point is: You have used your recently acquired admin rank to do as you please on chat, simply because only a Brass could actually do anything about you, and since the Brass are either not on chat or rarely you can often maintain free reign. SkyGreen24 15:20, March 18, 2016 (UTC)
About that album, it's pretty clear that Jb is not to be trusted. He engaged in the discussion just like Viva did, and when Sky asks them to stop Jb immediately attacks Viva. It shows that Jb has a personal bias against Viva. He also often tries to piss Viva off while in chat. Hail Sean! (Get a free potato here)

Point of order: I don't see a thread on the TSPTF talk page by Nathan asking to resolve this issue before posting an impeachment vote. The vote should be suspended to give a chance for a compromise to be worked out there. Mitro (talk) 21:31, March 18, 2016 (UTC)

To be fair Mitro, this topic has been brought up on the TSPTF talk page by other users for some time now, each one without any reasonable success. The last one specifically was not even commented on by Viva himself. It seems likely that Nathan is pursuing this impeachment as a result of these failures both on the talk page and on the chat in resolving these issues. 

Regarding the matter itself, the lack of humility is something that is particularly concerning for me. Being able to take criticism and understand when you are wrong is a key part of being a leader and that's something that the TSPTF needs in its daily workings here. I would hope that any TSPTF member would understand that bypassing the standard means of promotion is not correct and would expect any to acknowledge their misconduct if they did such a thing. Although others have done so in the past with little reaction and while such an action is not alone a reasonable justification for an impeachment I would like to see some some acknowledgement of wrong doing for this.

Just my two cents regarding what I would expect to see from a TSPTF member in general. Hopefully something like this doesn't happen again, regardless of the outcome. I imagine I'll be persecuting unauthorized promotions harsher in the future. 

"This is not your grave but you are welcome in it." 17:13, March 19, 2016 (UTC)

For the same Reason I was against Feud, I am against Viva maintaining his admin status. Let me go down and state my opinion on the matter, while hopefully addressing the more common issues with impeachment.

  1. I voted against Feud, a friend of mine, because he was too controversial to effectively use his powers. If there is any user that, even ignoring the issues presented, could be considered controversial, than Viva is certainly among the ranks of users with sketchy history. I would argue that the only users more controversial than Viva and Feud, would be MS and the Cronies. 
  2. Viva refuses to admit he is wrong. Even regarding his illegal promotion of Oct, a user that is a self proclaimed troll and often brags about how he is the only troll to have never been banned, he says " If I must I will express my regret for promoting Oct before he goes on to try and shift the problem away from him and to the communities reaction. This to me shows that if he is to admit he was wrong, it would only be to save face. Now many will bring up the time Pita illegal promoted me, but there are 2 key differences here. 1) When Pita promoted me, there was no precedence for the situation. 2) I never proclaim myself to be a troll. At least with Feud, he has admitted (rarely) that he is wrong.
  3. Viva may be correct that this wiki isn't a safe space, but as an admin of this wiki he is expected to encourage users to contribute, and when he is actively acting in a manner that encourages the oppiste. o the point where Viva has been shown to push users away, I think there is precedence enough to warrant him getting demoted.

Now, let me go down Viva's defense and tell you why it's bogus. 

  1. I'm not going to deny that chadmins have kicked out of jokes. This is probably the only part of Viva's defense where he gains a legitimate ground.
  2. Super has yet to comment on the situation. let's not claim what Super felt about the situation until he does.
  3. I see mods kick users who are leaving once every few weeks at most. Even when they do, it is someone they know will get the joke. It's hardly a general tradition.
  4. Next Viva talks about the situation regarding Upvote and pronouns. We can get into this later.
  5. Now lets talk more about this promotion of Oct. 2 problems here. First, Viva claims it was a test. A test of what? How much damage oct could do? Second, he claims that there are no rules against temporary mods. Big problem here. While he may be right that there are no rules against "temporary mods", there is certainly a precedence established by when Pita illegally promoted me to chat mod. I was demoted, Pita was scolded and warned not to to it again by LG. If LG saying this action is not ok, I don't know what establishes a strong enough precedence.
  6. Next he talks about arguments. It is true you are allowed to defend your positions. But when several users ask you to stop, you should stop. Instead Viva carries the arguments on, and stoops to arguing semantics and engaging in personal attacks.Now  he goes onto our argument about the Congo and tries to again shift the blame away from himself and onto me. if this part is longer than the rest, it's because I feel personally attacked on the matter but I will try to keep my personal feelings out of this. First he claims I don't do research on the topics I argue about. When I complied 1.3GB of research files on the effects of Sanction on Russia or 900MB of the impacts of a carbon tax, I guess Viva doesn't see that as research. But furthermore, he is ignore a key thing. One, I never claimed I did no research on every claim I had ever made. I said I didn't do extensive research on that particular topic. I also said that mods are chosen because they have the common sense to make decisions without extensive research so that they may quickly yes or no something. However what I told Viva next will be important. I told him I would do some more research and make a better ruling. And I did and I changed my view. Viva then claims I tried to redefine a word, when my argument there was that a definition alone does not make an argument, and he wildly misinterpreted the point I was trying to make. Then he claims I rage quit but I left because I had other, real life things to do. But this entire thing is irrelevant because it gains him no defense.
  7. Now Viva likes to argue semantics and argue research, so lets stoop to his level here. MONASH University writes the following about gender and sex. Sex refers to biological differences; chromosomes, hormonal profiles, internal and external sex organs.Gender describes the characteristics that a society or culture delineates as masculine or feminine. So no, Viva, science does not dictate that you are born with your gender.
  8. Did that seem extremely petty and pointless? Good, it should have. These are the exact type of arguments Viva likes to make.
  9. Now he talks about the sitution with Aneai or however you spell it. While I wasn't there, what I have heard from other users and can draw from the evidence presented seems to indicate that Viva played a part in driving her away from this wiki. But these 2 entire paragraphs should be a clear example of the petty, blame shifting, personal attacks Viva likes to make.
  10. I too would like her to clarify, except she won't because she is most likely not coming back.
  11. Now his last paragraph he spends the first half outline his views of the TSTPF. The problem here is that he contridictes himelf. he calims the TSTPF should stop harrasment, but he has clearly been shown to harrass users and also ignores that harrasment can be sexual when regards to one being transgender. 
  12. Now he goes on to warn users to tread carfully and goes on to attack those who voted against him. 1) This is all personal attacks and empty threats. 2) More importantly, this is the most petty part of his arguement. he says he expected more of Sky?  Really? How can you expect more of him when all the evidence seems to justfiy his impeachment.
  13. I would like Rex to cite examples of Viva's good contributions.
  14. We have overlooked worse, Guy, but the thing is when we do, it is because the TSTPF memebers in question have shown to change or at least end their behavior. Viva does not
  15. I will allow Nuke to anaylse the arguments and make his own conclusions.
  16. Oct. This, much like Up's impeachment, is being boiled down to one issue when there are several factors and several reasons people are pushing for this impeachment. Please anaylase all of them, if yu have not already, and reconsider your vote. if you find that there is still no justifcation, than I will respect that.

#PraiseRoosevelt. 02:35, March 21, 2016 (UTC)

When I voted yes to promote Viva to a lieutenant, I was very aware that this situation could arise. What I did not expect, however, was how extreme it would become. Viva has a long history of being abrasive, getting involved in lengthy debates that often devolve into ad hominems, and generally being controversial. I'm sure that Viva would like me to provide evidence for this claim and cite said arguments. I won't bother because he will, in typical fashion, dismiss them as irrelevant. I admit that I myself have engaged frequently in arguments with Viva, and I know what he does in arguments. I expected him to learn that in his position of greater power, he should have fewer arguments and show more respect for his fellow users. I was wrong. He did not improve as befits his rank. He just kept doing the same old stuff. I know Viva's opinons on social issues and I respect his right to have these opinions. What I do not respect is how he presents his opinons as facts. Once again I think he'd like me to provide sources for this statement, and once again I will not for the same reason. Viva can be wrong and Viva can be right, but that's true of all of us. The problem with Viva is that he doesn't change. He will continue being wrong once you prove that he's wrong and whenever you say he's wrong, he'll remind you of that one time he's right. Rinse and repeat. Today you'll fight him about X, tomorrow someone else will, and the day after you'll be fighting with him again. This is not good. Maybe Viva was right about X. But he won't stop fighting people about it. This is a problem. He doesn't learn from his mistakes. I don't know why I deluded myself into thinking otherwise. When I started writing this, I didn't plan on voting, but after thinking about it all in the process of writing, I have decide to cast my vote in favor of impeachment.

One last thing I would like to add is that whatever happened between Viva and Anaei is inconsequential. No rules were broken.

                SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   03:07, March 21, 2016 (UTC)

Also I have to say, the arguments against voting for impeachment are ridiculous. Ace, Rex, and Nlen seem to be saying "Viva is a cool guy and/or my friend", Nuke seems to be saying "I don't know much about this", and Oct seems to be saying "I don't like Jb and neither does Viva, therefore Viva is good". "We've overlooked much worse" doesn't mean anything. Just because we didn't find Jack the Ripper doesn't mean we have to pardon all serial killers. This is not how things work. I want to see real arguments against impeaching Viva.

                SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   03:14, March 21, 2016 (UTC)

I want any swing voters to take note that Ace's sole reason he can find to vote against impeachment. This is the face of Cronyism. #PraiseRoosevelt. 18:10, March 21, 2016 (UTC)

And I want any swing voters to take note that Jb's sole reason to vote is because he dislikes Viva. This is the face of internet hate. Hail Sean! (Get a free potato here)
18:26, March 21, 2016 (UTC)

Just thought I'd weigh in myself on this, because as Viva's former lawyer, I feel I must voice my views.

Aside from what everyone has said so far, most of which I agree with, people seem to be forgetting that Viva, as an admin of this wiki, is supposed to be a sort of representative of the community as a whole. Now, I know many will argue that "oh FP, that's not in the job description, the TSPTF are just to fight vandals and restore order", but reflecting the constructive nature of the community kind of goes without saying. If someone has a little star next to their name, or is known as an admin, you can look to them to get a judgment of the site as a whole. If we have elected that person, it shows what type of person we elect. Now, with the situation with Anaei, yes Viva did not break any rules, but she looked at the behaviour of an admin of the wiki, one of the elite, to see what she was in for, and clearly she was not pleased by what she saw. If the behaviour of an ADMIN was enough to drive potential users away, then maybe such a person is not fit to represent Althistory Wiki, effective Lieutenant or not.

Also, I'd like to point out that Viva is a very useful and plausible contibutor who is a great benefit to the site. We are not vouching for his banishment from the wiki forever. We still very much want him to stay here, but preferably not with a TSPTF badge under his name.

FP(Now 10% edgier!!!) 18:40, March 21, 2016 (UTC)

Viva hasn't proved at any point that he is what we need in a chat admin. If he was being nominated now would people still vote for him. The question is not do you like Viva but is he a good admin. In my opinion and do not ask me for sources is that. An admin should be responsible for making the community run more smoothly. Has he done that? No. Is almost every time his name raised because of the argument he is having with someone. Maybe it is his views I don't appreciate but the fact he can't be quiet about his views is the issue because people get have an argument. The Anei argument I am going to ignore due my ignorance on the subject but we know a lot of times when he appears on chats arguments occur which isn't what an admin should be doing. Plus, promoting Oct and then not even being able to straight up say. Sorry, I messed up. Why is it impossible for you to just admit you are not always right and on the Oct occasion you need to say that you made a mistake instead of just brushing it aside. Person67

Dax Ad Hominiem Attack

Ad hominem attack from Dax

I will be responding to each user accordingly.

  • Edge: You can brag about your research on Russia and the size of the documents as much as you want, but it won't remove the fact that you admitted that for most other subjects, you perform no research, and simply make "general calls". That isn't taking what you said out of context, that is simply saying what you admitted to doing. It took two days before you agreed to look up the information, but you never posted your response on the issue. I even agreed not to bring up the subject until then. You claim the two were concurrent, when they were days apart. When you say the burden of proof for proving the river was navigable, and I provide sources from several locations saying that it is, and post images of people transporting hundreds of fruit and cargo on man-powered canoes, as well as dozens of canoes for large objects lined up against the coast, and you say that it isn't "navigable" because it's the 21st century, naturally someone is going to call you out on that. And you say "when other users ask you to stop", when you know that that comes when everyone is exhausted from talking about it, and even when I say "let's move on to something else". You can only name one time this happened, and that was when you, Feud, and Dax were involved. As for "gender pronouns", my view will remain as it is. Upvote was born with a penis, male reproductive organs, and XY chromosomes, and I shall refer to Upvote as "male". Science isn't going to change the fact that there are just some bodyparts and genetic information that are male through and through, no matter how much someone may wish that to be the case. Finally, you make claims of personal attacks I supposedly use. What are these attacks? Can you name a few?
  • Person: You went off on me when I and the others were talking about dirigism. You said I was "forcing" my political ideology on the others even though we were having a peaceful conversation on the topic, and demanded that I stop talking about it or else I would convert the others to fascism. You have stated you dislike me when I have done nothing to you, and your vote reflects what I believe to be an emotional response rather than a logical one. As for Oct, I will not apologize as there was no rule on this wiki banning such actions, nor was I aware of this precendence Edge spoke of. Given that Edge mentions LG was around at the time, I can only assume this was a year or two ago, meaning that if the precendent was known, then I was not one of those individuals. Oct has never admitted to being a troll in my presence, save on other wikis, and I have had little problem out of him myself. Unlike the others, I do not hate Oct, and I believe that he can be a useful contributor on the wiki if he wants too.
  • FP: I shed no tears for Anaei's leaving. I don't know if she was telling the true or not about her position, but she was arrogant and intrusive (har har). Kras and I were having a simple conversation about the Soviet Union, and Anaei repeatedly interrupted with statements such as "interesting" and "fasinating". Kras and I had no idea who Anaei was, nor did either of us speak to her. After that, she left. On later occassions, when she was present, I welcomed her to chat, and generally paided little attention to her posts after that. It wasn't until later I was accused of being "aggressive" by this individual, and I confronted her about it, only to find out she was put off by the conversation Kras and I had two days before. So clearly it wasn't my behavior that drove Anaei away. Now tell me, if a conversation that doesn't involve you is enough to put you off of the wiki, how will you deal with actual issues with other users? Jump of a cliff? This same user insulted me by calling me "ignorant" as having a hobby involving history doesn't mean you know everything. I never claimed to know everything, and I have admitted that before, being very vocal about my lack of interest in WW2 and my general lack of knowledge in that area. As far as I can tell, the Anaei thing is nothing more than a foil to attack me directly. No rule was broken, nor is there any proof outside of Anaei's statement, that I was too blame. My side of the story appears to have been ignored in favor of Anaei's (as it supports the long-held views of me held by the others). I will repeat, I shed no tears for Anaei.
  • Scraw: Let's not be selective here. And yes, I will ask for evidence. When I say I am right, I point to something which proves that I am. You and the others have a history of not doing that. I have drawn maps, provided links to sources, cite other users' arguments, and tried to appeal to reason when making my arguments. You see, I don't have the luxury of being right, because no matter what I say, according to the others, I am always wrong. When I stated that Benin's population was about 10 million, everyone demanded to see evidence of this, which I provided. When I did, there were those who questioned the information and said it was wrong, until Simmy provided a secondary source, after which the critics backed down. Then there was the Maori issue. There were those saying that Maori boats built to Polynesian standards couldn't reach Australia. When I provided the sources stating that the Maori were shipbuilders at one point, and that the Polynesian vessels were quite large and capable of crossing the Pacific, it was the mods who refused to back down, not me. I relented and accepted the mods' decision until I was banned for building a Polynesian ship that could explore, not colonize, the coast of Australia. Then there was Ethiopia. There were countless arguments made by others in which I was on the defensive, to prove that Ethiopia could do anything. When I built a ship, everyone descended upon me demanding proof, to which Imp intervened and said he was helping. When I colonized Chile, people said my ships couldn't reach the location because of the currents, to which I provided a map for it. That map proved two things. The first was that the others didn't know what they were talking about, the second being that if they did, they were purposefully lying about it. And on a minor note, thank you for understanding the Anaei matter.
  • Mitro and MP: The impeachment thing has only been up twice following my banning Jb for harrassing the other users. I got multiple PMs from the others, and witnessed several attacks on users such as Sky, Feud, Edge, Dax, Person, Toby, Oct, and Ace by Jb. Jb had a history of attacking users, and then acting as the victim or pretending to be the "good guy" trying to get people to calm down and stop fighting, when was the one who started the fight. Whenever I banned him for his behavior, the first thing he did was run off to Scraw and Crim, and tell them he was banned because of my "personal feelings" (even though in some cases I wasn't the target of his attacks), and then ask "so what are we going to do this?" Jb started impeachment movements against me, both of which were ignored by the wider community. This impeachment only got traction because Candy and Nate started it (for not using politically correct terms), which says something. If I was such a big problem, why didn't Jb's two impeachment movements gain so little attention, yet this one is now a serious matter? Wouldn't the users have voted overwhelmingly when Jb was calling for impeachment?
  • Sky: When I got my promotion to Lt., I didn't abuse my powers. You can only name two times "abuse" could be used, and one is a tad bit more dubious. The first being Oct's promotion to temporary chat mod, and the second being when I refused to do what Jb wanted in chat. Now the first has some ground, but the second has none. Since when has a user been bullied by a troll to stop talking about a subject that has nothing to do with them?

All I can say is that I find the impeachment process rather suspecious given that in the last two processes against me, no one said a thing, but now that I upset the "wrong" person, all of the "deep concern" that didn't exist more than two weeks ago, is now being poured out now. No one was concerned about my behavior when Jb complained about it to Crim and Scraw, but now that it was Candy and Nate, everyone can't help but have an issue with my position. Sean has a very good point about this matter. That is all I can and will say for now. The Xania Encyclopedia Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 20:05, March 21, 2016 (UTC)

I do agree that Candy and Jb are voting in favor of impeachment for personal reasons. I would like to see some real reasons for voting for impeachment from them. Also, Jb's nomination was shut down for reasons Sky listed at the time. And it's not who's calling for impeachment, it's how many times have people called for impeachment. This marks two impeachment discussions in rapid successin. One last thing, let's refrain from talking about people's biology unless it's relevant to the discussion. Also, Person, could you please use a signature. Use ~~~~ to sign. Otherwise it gets confusing as to where your writing ends and the next person's begins.

                SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   20:54, March 21, 2016 (UTC)

I agree with Scraw on this point. So far, the overwhelming majority of the reasons for impeaching me have nothing to with the rules or abuse of power. They are almost entirely personal reasons. Outside of arguments (which are not against the rules), and "anti-scientific rhetoric", no one has listed a single example of an abuse of power save Oct (which was not against the rules) that I have done. I haven't abused my powers nor have I broken any of the rules. These are almost exclusively personal issues which have no legitimate basis in the impeachment proceedings, which require evidence of actual rules being broken, harassment, and vandalism. I have done nothing of the sort. The Xania Encyclopedia Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 00:26, March 22, 2016 (UTC)

Edge's Response

Let me start with Viva's response to my critics. First, that is again not what I claimed. I said I hadn't done research on that particular topic. Stop trying to twist my words in your favor. Second, you claim you provided multiple sources, pictures, etc. Maybe you had those, but the only source you provided did not have the quote you claimed it had. Third, I posted my response on chat, to you, the day after. whether you remember it is an entirely different story. Third, you claimed I can only list one time this happened, the screen shots provided by others prove otherwise. But I have also witnessed you several times continue to pester and bother other users. Fourth, the gender pronouns is also an example of you being completely hypocritical because the evidence i have presented disproves yours. And this is exactly what I mention with Guy. I have made mistakes as a mod, I admitted I was wrong. you make mistakes, and instead of willingly realizing you are wrong, you make, pardon my french, but these half assed admissions of guilt to save face and then try and shift the blame, like we see in the Oct and Aneai case. While you and others may want to dismiss the gender dispute, it is exemplary of your refusal to admit you are wrong. Now on personal attacks. Look to your defense on your promotion of Oct. Personal attack on the entire wiki. Look to the bottom of your defense. You expected more from Sky. That's personal shamming as apposed to attacking the reasons why he voted for you. Then lets go back to the Congo argument. I made one ruling in your favor, despite having other mods feel the same way and despite this being the first ruling I made against you and the first hard ruling I had made in the game and you dismissed me as a bad mod. Not Feud who had made several other shady rulings, but you single out me as being a bad mod. Then you go and wildly manipulate my words, claims, and arguments to use in your defense, in which you never respond to the reasons people want you impeached but instead you go into blame shifting arguments where you try and make others seem bad.

Now on your response to Person. Big problem here is that without precedence, it should still be common sense that you don't break the wiki's political system to illegally promote a self proclaimed troll. And you have yet to answer what you where trying to prove by doing that. And don't say this was a year or two ago. It was exactly one year ago, and it is still on the TSTPF talk page. This issue was hardly buried and it happened during a time that your edit history indicates you where active during. In fact, if we look to Pita's talk page where LG addresses the issue, the very next message posted is you asking about the ongoing AvA game. This is confirmation that you where active at least shortly after, more likely during, the dispute in question that established the precedence that shuts down your defense.

Now onto your response to FP's critic.Big problem here is that you are saying the user in question left not because of your behavior, but she clearly references you when she told others about the problem I'm not saying you are the sole cause that drove her away, but you can not simply wash your hands at this situation. Then you go onto some more personal attacks questioning her abilities to deal with problems. 

Now onto your responses against Scraw. I fail to see any relevant parts to this that warrant a response.

Now onto your response against MP and Mitro. If Jb felt persecuted by me, sky, or other TSTPF, why is he not supporting impeachments against us? Furthermore, Jb played no part in organizing this. he has not contributed to this debate, nor was he present when the impeachment started.

Now lets go onto your response against Sky. You admit that the manners you use your powers here is abuse. But furthermore, the main reason that I and several others in the TSTPF is the soft abuse of you powers. You are well aware that your admin status means no one, except Scraw and Mp, can actually kick or otherwise stop your actions. Maybe that's why users feel the need to run to them.

Now lets go onto Nlens responses against impeachment. He's not a bad person. In fact I would argue that Viva's inablity to tolerate lies and provide an opposing point of view is important. But clearly, his behavior has progressed to a point where it has gone to far.

Now onto Sat's responses. The TSTPF's job is, in the broadest sense, to facilite positive contribution. Like it or not, the TSTPF should be landmarks for new users to follow and should be representive of the community. That's why we bear a badge. That's why are users have to be elected. That's why when the welcome message gets posted, its a TSTPF member. Now again on the Oct promotion, look to the responeses I have already gave. it would be the same anyway. Third, Oct shouldn't be blamed. If you hand a child a gun and they shoot someone, do you blame the child or the system that gave them the gun? Oct is a self proclaimed troll who was given chadmin powers temporarily, meaning he didn't have the deterent of impeachment.

Computer is dying so expect spelling errors galor. I swear I am just a bad typist and I don't have the spelling ablity of a third grader. #PraiseRoosevelt. 04:45, March 22, 2016 (UTC)

Viva's Response
Congo Chat (2)

Your words exactly as they appeared

I didn't change any of your words. You were rather clear when you stated that you "weren't selected as a mod because you do research", not because you didn't do the research on the Congo. That much is clear and the evidence for that is here for all to see. As to your second claim, we know that isn't true, as I cited both the Encyclopedia Britannica for its article on the Congo River, then I posted several images of the Congo River being used by locals on canoes in chat, but you simply ignored them. The images came from a site used by Google Earth that provides both time-stamps and the exact locations the images were taken. When you challenged the definition of "navigable", I cited the Webster's Dictionary for the term, and you said it was "navigable thanks to modern technology", to which I stated you were moving the goalposts each time I backed my claims up with proof. Third, you say this has happened multiple times. Note, that conversation Sky posted happened on the same day, and Ace and Simmy obliged to answer my questions, while Jb interrupted it. You use peacock words such as "pester" when you know that certainly isn't what I did. When a subject comes up that involves me, naturally I step in on my behalf.

Fourth, I didn't discount your evidence. Dr. Ann-Maree Nobelius, the individual who wrote that piece you linked, is an SJW who felt she was "responsible for demonstrating the need for gender mainstreaming in the new 5 year medical curriculum at Monash." That article has no scientific backing, but is just the politically correct thesis of teacher wearing SJW glasses. But as Scraw mentioned, and rightly so, this has nothing to do with the main topic, as you yourself stated, "Did that seem extremely petty and pointless? Good, it should have. These are the exact type of arguments Viva likes to make." If gender-based arguments are petty and pointless, why are you so keen to continue the discussion?

As for Oct, I broke no rules, as has been pointed out time and time again. For Anaei, I admit no guilt as I did nothing worth feeling guilt over. As has been pointed out by both Scraw and Sat, the topic of Anaei is irrelevant, and seems more an attempt at winning brownie points by point out how "mean and aggressive" I am, when in reality, I did nothing to push Anaei away. On Oct, that isn't a personal attack on the entire wiki, it's the truth. Every time I come into chat, whenever Oct is mentioned, I see nothing but disdain for him. I don't what the boy did to you all, but I've seen nothing disproving my current view of the wiki's stance toward Oct. As for Sky, I certainly did expect much more from him. He is more observant than we give him credit for, and the fact that he stated that I started an argument with Jb when anyone who says something Jb dislikes gets attacked by him, certainly had me wondering why he didn't notice Jb was at fault, and not myself. That isn't a personal attack, that is a failing of higher expectations. But please, do go on and try to paint my words as something else.

When I spoke on the topic of the Congo, you were the main opponent to my expansion there. Dax was generally away most of the time, and Feud said some stuff, and left. So you were the only mod from 95T left in chat that I could speak too. I didn't single you out, you were just the only one left in chat, and the most vocal opponent to my move. I never manipulated your words, I simply regurgitated them. When you said you don't do the research as a mod, I called you out on that, and you finally agreed to do the research two days later. You wanted to ban me from the game if I brought the subject of you not researching the information, and you spoke to me in PM saying you would do the research the next night, to which I stated I would post my response on the talk page. That was the end of that.

As to the impeachment, what reasons are there for me to respond too? Is it abuse? Couldn't be that. No one has yet to post a single shred of evidence proving I abused my powers. Is it harassment? Arguments aren't harassment, and if they were, everyone would be banned by now. Is it vandalism? If that was the case, I wouldn't have made it to constable in the first place. So far, every "reason" posted here is just a personal issue someone has with me. "He's anti-scientific", "He's mean", "He won't use the proper pronouns", "His arguments are too long", "He abused his powers. I don't have proof but I remember one time a year ago he did. Honest." None of these "reasons" are legitimate, and are not grounds for impeachment. Jb has been trying to get me impeached for weeks now because I punished him for attacking other users. Candy wants me impeached because I don't like feminism and won't use "politically correct" terms. Person hates me because my political views are anathema to his. And I'm pretty sure Vinn was pressured into voting against me by one of the senior users.

You continue to use the term "illegal", which means that there is a rule out there saying I can't create a temporary chat mod. No such rule exists, meaning that my action was not "illegal". Me being active during the time of LG's decision does not mean I was rooting around the TSPTF talk pages. You know darn well that that talk page has never been readable for any period of time, and you don't use it unless there is a very specific topic you are interested it. Unless you really enjoy 500,000 bytes worth of text, I doubt anyone who wasn't aware of the act at the time would have read that information. You know that was case, so your argument is lacking in the sense that I would have known what happened. Your response on FP is flawed, as it assumes that Anaei is by default correct, when it is public knowledge that I never spoke to Anaei prior to my discussion with her in PM. For Anaei to be correct, I would have had to engage her in conversation, which I never did. Anaei can say whatever she wants, but when she says stuff like "All I witnessed were short statements back and forth as bickering took place because the other side wouldn't even entertain the others point", it doesn't help her stance. Neither Kras nor myself spoke to her, and she admits to simply witnessing the discussion, not taking part in it. So I happily wash my hands of the matter. Also, when she insulted my character in her response to Sky, she acknowledged that personal attacks where fair game.

For Jb, that's simple. They weren't the ones that banned him from chat. Being petty, Jb directed his anger at me, hence the reason he wanted me impeached. If it were you or Sky, then he'd be directing his attacks against you and Sky. When I receive four or five complaints about a user's behavior, I'm going to act. When users who admit they don't like me ask Jb why he's so hostile against me, you know it isn't just me seeing what's wrong. So insinuating that I banned Jb for personal reasons really isn't a good argument. Just my personal opinion.

As for Sky, I admitted nothing, and you know that. I stated "You can only name two times 'abuse' could be used, and one is a tad bit more dubious." The fact that I used quotations on "abuse", means that I found the term incorrect, and I even go on to state that the first time it was used had some warrant looking back on it, but that it was not a serious matter nor was it in violation of any rules on the wiki. The second time I made it clear that it had no basis as I fulfilled my role as an admin, and banned a user who I received complaints from, and who had openly attacked other users, yourself included. Me refusing to bow to the pressure from a troll to change a subject he wasn't interested in, but the others were, is not me "abusing" my powers, and you know darn well that it isn't.

Entertaining your responses to Nlen and Sat. The fact that I was overwhelmingly elected to the my current position, by even users I historically had arguments with, meant that I made positive contributions to this site in the past, and they had steer confidence that I would continue to do so in the future. In spite of my views, everyone knew that I was qualified for the position, and that I could be trusted to carry out my responsibilities in a proper manner. Giving Oct a temporary status was not against the rules. You use the example of giving a child a gun. That gun wasn't loaded (was not a permanent position), and going even further, the gun isn't even real (position automatically terminated by end of day). What I did was not against the rules, and MP confirmed that. As it wasn't against the rules, the act was not "illegal" as you put it, and is no longer a topic worthy of discussion given that knowledge.

I reiterate. Nothing stated here shows that I have committed an act worthy of impeachment. You have yet to provide any evidence showing I broke the rules of this wiki. You only cite me as being responsible for driving Anaei away, which I didn't. You say my arguments on the Congo River is somehow relevant to this impeachment trial, which they are not. And you cite Oct's temporary promotion as grounds for impeachment, even though no rules were broken. You are grasping for straws and they do not exist. I have do nothing severe enough to be impeached, and so far, you can't find anything to back up a legitimate argument that I did something so severe that I should be impeached.

The Xania Encyclopedia Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 07:30, March 22, 2016 (UTC)

Yas now I have something to say

I didn't change any of your words. You were rather clear when you stated that you "weren't selected as a mod because you do research", not because you didn't do the research on the Congo. That much is clear and the evidence for that is here for all to see. As to your second claim, we know that isn't true, as I cited both the Encyclopedia Britannica for its article on the Congo River, then I posted several images of the Congo River being used by locals on canoes in chat, but you simply ignored them. The images came from a site used by Google Earth that provides both time-stamps and the exact locations the images were taken. When you challenged the definition of "navigable", I cited the Webster's Dictionary for the term, and you said it was "navigable thanks to modern technology", to which I stated you were moving the goalposts each time I backed my claims up with proof. Third, you say this has happened multiple times. Note, that conversation Sky posted happened on the same day, and Ace and Simmy obliged to answer my questions, while Jb interrupted it. You use peacock words such as "pester" when you know that certainly isn't what I did. When a subject comes up that involves me, naturally I step in on my behalf.

Firstly, you're not twisting the words per se, but you're arguing semantics here. What Edge is trying to say is that it was his ability to not have the need to research every single detail is what makes him effective. Your research is simply googling stuff and copy-pasting it or paraphrasing it onto the chat or a talk page.

As for Jb's interruption, I don't see how you can say that he is interrupting if he was the one being asked, alongside Simmy, although Simmy, if you check the album (link is above) has not even responded, because he has recently decided to ignore you completely (due to your behaviour, according to him, but I will not be getting into that)

As for Oct, I broke no rules, as has been pointed out time and time again. For Anaei, I admit no guilt as I did nothing worth feeling guilt over. As has been pointed out by both Scraw and Sat, the topic of Anaei is irrelevant, and seems more an attempt at winning brownie points by point out how "mean and aggressive" I am, when in reality, I did nothing to push Anaei away. On Oct, that isn't a personal attack on the entire wiki, it's the truth. Every time I come into chat, whenever Oct is mentioned, I see nothing but disdain for him. I don't what the boy did to you all, but I've seen nothing disproving my current view of the wiki's stance toward Oct. As for Sky, I certainly did expect much more from him. He is more observant than we give him credit for, and the fact that he stated that I started an argument with Jb when anyone who says something Jb dislikes gets attacked by him, certainly had me wondering why he didn't notice Jb was at fault, and not myself. That isn't a personal attack, that is a failing of higher expectations. But please, do go on and try to paint my words as something else.

Editors wishing to join the TSPTF should apply for a position at the request for user rights page. The number of constables is unlimited, so anyone who meets the requirements can try to be chosen whenever they want.

Voting will last two weeks from the date of nomination, ending at 0:00 UTC of the fourteenth day, at which time, if the vote is affirmative, the nominee will be granted the requested user rights.

Although there is no explicit rule stating you cannot promote him it is heavily implied in the text posted above. No matter if it's explicitly stated or not, it's reasonable and easy to figure out that anyone who wants to be constable needs and has to go through the process first.

As for Anaei, if the topic of her leaving because of you (which she has mentioned directly to Feud and myself) were to indeed be irrelevant, why don't you simply admit that you pushed her away from the wiki.

As for Oct I personally consider him a friend and I believe he considers me one so I'm not going to talk about this.

As fo rmyself personally, this gets, well personal. First of all, I don't mind you saying you expected more of me, I know what you meant. And more observant? Indeed I am. I have seen that Jbw is bordering on the toxically liberal social justice line. I know that his reactions towards your question were inadequate, but he is not a TSPTF, he is simply a rowdy user who will can easily be punished if he crosses the line once more, not to say that I haven't called him out on his behaviour before. But his lousy behaviour does not serve as an excuse for your behaviour. Again my observant trait strikes again. I have defended you Viva in PMIII on numerous occassions, I have written walls of text to help you out and I do now see that this time you have to back down.

Thanks for reading, enjoy your visit ~~~~

I love tabbers. SkyGreen24

Jb's previous impeachments were ignored largely because it is known he has a vendetta against you and because neither had TSPTF support, as required by the rules for impeachment. Now it has been brought before the community by a more neutral TSPTF member, ergo it actually gets attention and fulfills the requirements. 

Regarding Oct, I've heard two stories as to why Viva promoted him. Oct tells me he was promoted because Viva said he was bored, another source tells me that Oct was promoted because Viva wanted to "test" him. Neither of these reasons is a valid justification for this action, and I can't imagine a valid reason either. 

Getting to whether it is right or not, the TSPTF page clearly indicates that members of the TSPTF are to be voted in, as per the procedure that we have all gone through. This is not just precedent but actual writing dictating how this process is to be done. If that isn't enough to detail what the proper way of going about this is, then I don't know what is. 

The thing that primarily bothers me about the Oct promotion is not the actual action itself. As others have noted before such illegal promotions have occured in the past when they should not have, but there is a difference. When these incidents occured in the past, the damage was undone and the person responsible for this action was confronted and made amends for their illegitimate promotion. The thing that bothers me is that Viva will not concede this point and acknowledge his action as something that is wrong and that it shouldn't have been done. As I said before, this action alone is not an impeachable offense for an office as low as Constable, but the fact that Viva does not acknowledge wrongdoing is unbecoming of a Lt within the TSPTF. If he acknowledges his wrongdoing perhaps I will change my stance on this impeachment. 

"This is not your grave but you are welcome in it." 17:42, March 22, 2016 (UTC)

At no point do I even ask Jb any questions Sky during that discussion. In fact, as you can clearly see during the discussion is that I tell Jb I was not addressing him and talking to Ace, after Crim tried to demand I end a conversation that not only had nothing to do with him, but that Ace and I were perfectly fine in discussing. Mind you, I told Jb if he didn't like what was being said he could leave. Note, Edge, a femmlow moderator, stated the same thing to LL after he began complaining in chat, telling LL to "stop acting like a five year old and go somewhere else" if he didn't like what was being said. In fact, that happened the same night Edge told Nate and Candie to go ahead with the impeachment, and you can even see bits of their discussion in the images I posted. Funny how that works.

As for Anaei, I'm not going to admit I pushed her away from the wiki because I didn't. You're smart enough to know that a conversation between two individuals that does not involve you, isn't directed against you. I've posted enough of her statements for that to be a known fact, and I'm not taking the fall for some random user floating out because she just counldn't handle the "hostile atmosphere" generated by two users talking about the invasion of the Soviet Union. I'm not sure how I can push some fool away I never spoke to. Anaei can say whatever she wants, but it isn't going to make it true. If she said I raped a bus full of disabled baby antelopes, you'd probably believe that too. Stop trying to pin that nonsense on me and get over it. And tell me Sky, what must I back down for?

There isn't a single rule that I've broken, and the only thing you and the others are trying to pin on me because you have nothing else, is that I won't repent at the feet of the TSPTF over promoting Oct, an act that clearly isn't against the rules. None of you have produced anything that truly shows I have to be impeached, and it seems more of a personal issue for all of you rather than anything of substance. I never broke any of the rules of the wiki, so that can't be why we're here. It can't be because Oct was promoted, because that wasn't against the rules. And it certainly can't be because Anaei left the wiki because she said "Viva was responsible", as she never provided any evidence stating that I was, and I have an entire document where she admits that it was the lack of sources provided during a conversation that she was watching.

So based on that, what exactly am I being impeached for? Right now, it seems more you are trying, and just barely, to justify the sqeezing of an impeachment out of me giving a "half-assed apology" for promoting Oct. It appears you want you a public confession of guilt. But if it will please my masters, I'm sorry. I'm sorry I promoted Oct because I wanted to see how much I could trust him. I'm sorry Oct kicked a guy no more than a minute after getting promoted. And I'm sorry I wasn't aware of the "precendent" set by LG nearly a year ago. I won't do it again. Pinky finger swear. The Xania Encyclopedia Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:02, March 22, 2016 (UTC)

To clairify, when I told Nate and Candies to start the impeachment, I meant that they shouldn't talk about it forever and that if they wanted it, they should just do it. And I will post responeses to your next batch of blame shifting later.  #PraiseRoosevelt. 00:00, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

Skargument

Well, since you seemed to have gone for an argument ad populum I have decided to make a detailed analysis of your arguments and top it off with a summation of the arguments for impeachment.

If I have coloured something this shade of red it means it's a direct quote of one of Viva's arguments

At no point do I even ask Jb any questions Sky during that discussion.

Once more here you have literally opened the discussion by adressing Jbw, so please don't try to downplay your involvement in his behaviour.

In fact, as you can clearly see during the discussion is that I tell Jb I was not addressing him and talking to Ace, after Crim tried to demand I end a conversation that not only had nothing to do with him, but that Ace and I were perfectly fine in discussing.

Yes, you did indeed focus on Ace later on and I will not deny that, since he, as your opposite in some beliefs is sometimes driven to discuss with you. However, claiming that Jb had no involvement in it is a stretching it.

If she said I raped a bus full of disabled baby antelopes, you'd probably believe that too.

An obvious example of reductio ad absurdum and/or false analogy.You're trying to downplay the importance of the Anaei argument by comparing it so something that would never happen.

There isn't a single rule that I've broken, and the only thing you and the others are trying to pin on me because you have nothing else, is that I won't repent at the feet of the TSPTF over promoting Oct, an act that clearly isn't against the rules.

You have still not refuted my claim, explained in my tabbers argument above that it isn't against the rules. You're doing an appeal to the stone since you're not actually proving that my argument is invalid in any way but simply reiterating that there are no rules.

None of you have produced anything that truly shows I have to be impeached,

I would respectfully disagree with that, it's simply that you have ignored our valid arguments and focused on things that would make it so you have the upper hand in the argument

and it seems more of a personal issue for all of you rather than anything of substance.

This would be an appeal to spite. You're presenting the opposing party (i.e. those voting for) as people who have a personal vendetta against you and while Jbw and Candies probably do, I can hardly see why the others would wish to impeach you for personal issues, but feel free to prove me wrong.

I never broke any of the rules of the wiki, so that can't be why we're here. It can't be because Oct was promoted, because that wasn't against the rules. And it certainly can't be because Anaei left the wiki because she said "Viva was responsible", as she never provided any evidence stating that I was, and I have an entire document where she admits that it was the lack of sources provided during a conversation that she was watching.

Well that's a poopoo. Also where is this document? I haven't seen it yet.

So based on that, what exactly am I being impeached for? Right now, it seems more you are trying, and just barely, to justify the sqeezing of an impeachment out of me giving a "half-assed apology" for promoting Oct. It appears you want you a public confession of guilt. But if it will please my masters, I'm sorry. I'm sorry I promoted Oct because I wanted to see how much I could trust him. I'm sorry Oct kicked a guy no more than a minute after getting promoted. And I'm sorry I wasn't aware of the "precendent" set by LG nearly a year ago. I won't do it again. Pinky finger swear.

Appeal to ridicule. You're not being impeached for any half-assed apologies. You're being impeached for illegally promoting a user.

Look, these derailing arguments and the being a brick wall stance has obviously worked with the non-TSPTF and a smaller part of the TSPTF. But if you seriously want to be taken seriously by the other half of the currently active users, I suggest you start with real arguments and refuting our claims rather than appealing to the population with Viva la Vivas and Tech's support for you on Tao's and Tim's talk pages.

SkyGreen24 08:33, March 24, 2016 (UTC)

Viva's Response

Once more here you have literally opened the discussion by adressing Jbw, so please don't try to downplay your involvement in his behaviour.

Well you are correct that I did address Jb, I was under the impression I only addressed Simmy and Ace. You have me on that one.

Yes, you did indeed focus on Ace later on and I will not deny that, since he, as your opposite in some beliefs is sometimes driven to discuss with you. However, claiming that Jb had no involvement in it is a stretching it.

When Jb made it clear he had no interest in discussing the topic, his involvement in the conversation ended. From that point onward, any further actions by Jb in the conversation was of his own volition, not mine. I'm sure you're well read enough to know that means Jb acted independently, and my actions had nothing to do with what Jb did afterward, as he was not a party to the conversation Ace and I were having following his refusal to join in.

An obvious example of reductio ad absurdum and/or false analogy.You're trying to downplay the importance of the Anaei argument by comparing it so something that would never happen.

You have presented no evidence that Anaei said what she did about me, other than what you remember, whereas I actually have a copy of my conversation with Anaei where she admits I was not to blame. I'm sure you are familiar with the term "you should have the body". Until you produce the evidence of Anaei's conversation, the evidence I have already given outweighs anything Anaei stated, as she could have said anything. You were quick to go get Anaei and apologize as well as alert her to this impeachment, but at not time did you bother to alert me to Anaei's presence in chat to defend myself or hear my side of the story. As such, I will no longer entertain any further discussion of Anaei.

You have still not refuted my claim, explained in my tabbers argument above that it isn't against the rules. You're doing an appeal to the stone since you're not actually proving that my argument is invalid in any way but simply reiterating that there are no rules.

"Although there is no explicit rule stating you cannot promote him it is heavily implied in the text posted above." You said that it wasn't against the rules yourself. MP admitted to this as well. The fact that you said this meant that you knew that my point was correct, and was not an appeal to the stone, as both yourself, MP, and myself, all stated the same thing, that Oct's promotion was not against the rules per se, but against the spirit of the rules. And last I checked, the "spirit of the rules" are not "the rules". So how could my statement be an appeal to the stone if I only stated what two other people had stated themselves? There is no claim to refute. We all agreed on the same thing.

Well that's a poopoo. Also where is this document? I haven't seen it yet.

I posted parts of it above when speaking of Anaei, and I also posted the entire thing in chat yesterday in the presence of the other users, yourself included. Either you were away or not paying attention, but you were there. Either way it goes, I did my part. As for the "poopoo" part, it isn't. Even you are aware that statement was rhetorical. The point I made was that there are no solid rules that I broke, and even you agreed that Oct's promotion was not against the actual rules.

Appeal to ridicule. You're not being impeached for any half-assed apologies. You're being impeached for illegally promoting a user.

If it was because I "illegally promoted" a user, then I would have been impeached two weeks ago, but I wasn't. If that was the only reason I was being impeached, then the impeachment would have been held much longer ago, but no one took any action, and the other members of the TSPTF admitted that it wasn't worth getting impeached before because it wasn't the first time it happened. There was no move to impeach me until Candie wanted me impeached, then everyone scrambled to find something to stick to me to make the impeachment valid. Had that been the only reason, the long winded arguments wouldn't have been necessary, and the charges would have been clear and forthright. So you know that isn't why I'm being impeached, so what is the real reason I'm being impeached then?

Look, these derailing arguments and the being a brick wall stance has obviously worked with the non-TSPTF and a smaller part of the TSPTF. But if you seriously want to be taken seriously by the other half of the currently active users, I suggest you start with real arguments and refuting our claims rather than appealing to the population with Viva la Vivas and Tech's support for you on Tao's and Tim's talk pages.

Underhanded insult for the lack of a real argument Sky? From what I can see, everyone can see through the BS and knows that the impeachment has no grounds from day one. First your "argument" was that I was rude, then it was because I drove Anaei away, then you brought of Oct, and then you tried to say it wasn't because Oct was promoted (as it wasn't the first time a TSPTF promoted a user), but because I didn't apologize. Now it's because I promoted Oct, even though it was confirmed that wasn't the reason the impeachment was underway. So this whole time neither you, nor Edge, could decide what to use as your main argument, and now you're saying it's because of Oct. If that's what you call a "real argument", then apparently appealing to the population isn't the real reason I'm being supported.

You're knowledge of legal terminology is flattering, but going to trial without a solid argument or one that keeps changing as soon as people figure out it isn't legitimate, is a quick way to lose the battle and the respect of your peers.

The Xania Encyclopedia Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 14:52, March 24, 2016 (UTC)

"You're being impeached for illegally promoting a user."

Not only have you been switching your points for the length of the entire impeachment, 80% of them have been disproved or dismissed(sometimes even by your own supporters). And now this? This entire illegal promotion thing could have been resolved on the TSPTF talk page(just like what happened when Edge was promoted illegally), but instead it's now the reason Viva's being impeached? Honestly, I think that this is the clearest evidence swing voters could have that this impeachment is a blatant personal attack on Viva. As such, I encourage everyone to vote against the impeachment.

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but wait

there's more

Last night I had a chat with Ace009. His original vote was against the impeachment, but due to intimidation and pushing performed by Edgeofnight(and in lesser ways, Sky and Nate) Ace changed his vote, out of fear of being called a Vivacrony. 

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Honestly, if this isn't telling of how unjust this impeachment is going, I don't know what is. The impeachers had to resort to threatening what is practically social isolation to get a user to vote for their cause. 

Hail Sean! (Get a free potato here)

Viva's most recent argument was good enough for me, I'll remove myself from the supporters list. However, I'd like to elaborate that I did not "bully" Ace, but I simply asked him why he did it and tried to persuade him, similarly to Nlen I guess, but it is true that Edge claimed that that made him look like a Vivacrony.

In conclusion, Viva, sorry for going overboard on the argument. I will not say you didn't do anything wrong but I do agree that it's not impeach-worthy.

Sincerely, SkyGreen24 17:40, March 24, 2016 (UTC)

I think the general agreement amongst most people is that this impeachment is more about his personality more than a specific incident. He has apologized for the Oct incident as I asked, although I would have prefered the apology be more sincere and would expect as such in the future. 

Just as a general expectation for the future. As I've said earlier, I think this is a matter of personality and whether that is suited for the role of a TSPTF Lt. I would suggest to Viva that you watch your tone and be less intense in most scenarios as well as being more humble as demonstrated. I would imagine that doing so would likely be noticed by many of the more neutral members involved here and deflate any further serious impeachment attempts in the absence of actual wrongdoing. I would like to see a serious move in this direction in the future. 

"This is not your grave but you are welcome in it." 17:58, March 24, 2016 (UTC)

I have removed my vote, and I will go into that more in a moment. First let me defend myself against these accusations for fear that if I don't address them people will assume me to be conceding. 

All I said to Ace was that his original justification for being anti-impeachment was cronyism. I didn't spend hours arguing for it, I didn't chase him to pm, and I didn't use the term Vivacrony more than once or twice. I genuinely feel sorry if Ace felt like I was trying to bully or harass him into voting one way or the other. I admit that I tried to persuade Ace, but I didn't make attempts to socially outcast or isolate him. I didn't go into PM to try and make other users attack him. I didn't threaten him. Now lets analyze this pm convo. First, you approached him. He didn't reach out to you because he felt he was being bullied around. Then, you specifically mention me. Ace doesn't mention me until you bring him up. This seems extremely loaded to get a specfic response. But again, none of this is relevant.

Now why am I removing my vote. Well there are 3 key points with this.

  1. I still think that on every real issue brought up, Viva was in the wrong. On the Oct promotion, the Anei controversy, on everything. But Still these are mostly isolated incidents that, if they repeat themselves, would most definitely be valid points in an argument for impeachment. But isolated incidents should not be used to justify general trends, and the way some where interpreting the argument was that Viva regularly promoted people illegally and chased new users away when thi isn't the case. If these events repeat themselves, then I will push for impeachment again. But as isolated events, impeaching Viva here would establish a bad precedent.
  2. I was never 100% pro impeachment. I still believe that Viva could be a great admin, but i also, unlike Viva and others, believe the TSTPF to be representatives of the community. And Viva's actions here where not representative of the community. That is what pushed me to vote for his impeachment, but I explained why this is different above.
  3. This is all becoming too much like the upvote impeachment, where things become personal and both sides sling mud to try and get any support they can. I believe that if we allow this to happen, it will deter people form using impeachment as a tool in the future and will ultimately turn any future impeachments into personal crusades.

To summarize, I still believe Viva to be in the wrong on every count brought up here. Every argument I made I stand by. But I have been convinced that these behaviors, unless the repeat themselves in the future, are not justification for impeachment. I thank everyone for reading my arguments, and apologize to anyone who might have been offended. #PraiseRoosevelt. 19:51, March 24, 2016 (UTC)

Following on from what MP said, I would like to call for an attempt to draw a close to these discussions and come to some agreement.

I think we can all agree that this has come far removed from the original objective of the impeachment, and has devolved into "who can reply with the most dismissive and patronising tone while rebutting as many of the opponent's points as possible while making very few of my own". It is getting childish, unprofessional, distracted and downright unpleasant. Nothing I see here is helping the wiki. For everyone's sake, I suggest we end this as civil people. 

As I was initially a neutral, though for a brief time I was for, I feel I should make some suggestions.

Those arguing for the impeachment (mainly looking at Edge & Sky here) - your arguments were getting shaky and contradictory towards the end, and you didn't really make any new points through the whole discussion. The more you post, the more you appear in a desperate stance, rising up to Viva's baiting. It doesn't look good, and hence you are losing traction. Take a leaf out of Sky's book and back down.

But, I am not saying that there is nothing wrong here, and the impeachment is entirely unfounded. Viva, surely you can see that if, as you claim, this is entirely built upon 'personal grudges', then maybe this general dislike is hinting that there is something in your behaviour that makes people dislike you. Being naturally disliked is not exactly a good thing for a member of the TSPTF. I am not saying you have to be a super-cuddly friends-with-everyone kinda guy, but someone who has this many enemies willing to apparently irrationally vote for their impeachment perhaps needs to try a bit to be more agreeable. 

So I'm proposing this.

  • Viva - please, have a bit of humility and apologise for maybe not being the best El Tee of all time (and not in a silly sarcastic manner), and maybe formulate some sort of promise to attempt to be less of a jerk, to avoid this type of debacle in the future. This whole drama wouldn't have happened if there was nothing wrong. In arguments, try your best to be more accepting of other people's opinions, and maybe avoid making stupid mistakes like Oct's promotion. But most of all - admit it when you are wrong. Right away. Before arguing. Before being told to. 
  • And Edge and co., give Viva another chance, because you can be satisfied that (hopefully) he will see this as a bit of a warning and wise up. Be patient with him, and don't come running at the first heated argument or questionable kick. 
  • And Sean, stop trying to campaign about how this is corrupt and unjust and unfair - it's not needed and just confuses the situation more.

I think we'd all appreciate for this whole thing to be over, so we can all move on without this tension hanging around. This site is quite the gathering of creative minds and wonderfully pleasant people, but man, we can kick up an almighty fuss.

(edit: I posted this before I had read Edge's post, thank you for being a tad more sensible)

I remain,

FP(Now 10% edgier!!!) 19:55, March 24, 2016 (UTC)

United Republic

Ladies and Gentleman, I feel betrayed by this gross show of incompetence Lt. United Republic has shown me and many of my fellow Wiki users in the past month. While I may be a new member of this wiki I have experienced gross negligence by United Republic. Multiple times he has used racial slurs so gross to offend many of you along with myself, but today he threatened to ban a wiki member known as Gatthias for a confrontation that happened on the Discord of our fine Wiki. Where he continually attacked this young lady with personal inquires trying to “expose” her for something she is not. I plead with you members of the wiki, protect the many from the few with power, and join with me to impeach United Republic from his position of power. Where he has done much harm, to little help our great wiki.

  • Supporters
    • I haven't been on the wiki for very long, but in my short experience I've only seen UR cause harm, usually by trolling on chat, acting inappropriate, and interrogating/banning every new user. I'm sure he has done some good work in the past to become this rank, but unfortunately I'm voting for removal based on his current behavior. Gatthias (talk) 04:25, August 25, 2017 (UTC)
  • Objectors
  • Discussion

Impeach me. I've been to hell and back in the past 48 hours. This is nothing. - UR 04:24, August 25, 2017 (UTC)

  • As per the impeachment rules, you are required to have first attempted to sort this out on his talk page and reach a compromise. Posting 'Yo fam, I guess I have to do this before I can begin Impeachment procedings aganist you.' is not seeking a compromise. Furthermore, your recent ban on the discord does not lend any credibility to your impeachment attempt. This impeachment is not going to fly. Curmudgeonly yours - Crim 07:50, August 25, 2017 (UTC)
  • Crim, you may always vote against it as no other TSPTF members have complained about it go ahead and whine.- Jackson IDGAF about the time
  • Ya'll are a special kinda stupid ya know.#BRINGBACK THESQUIRREL
  • Discord and wiki are two separate things. UR isn't an admin on Discord for reasons such as this but since none of the reasons are wiki related you can't post here. User:Person67
  • UR said he was going to ban her on the wiki for nothing if that isn't abuse of power I don't know what is?- Jackson
  • UPDATE: As there there has been no update on the status of this vote, and limited discourse on the matter, I am closing this impeachment vote. The general understanding is that wiki and Discord matters are unrelated, and one cannot be impeached for their behavior on the other. As such, this matter has come to an end. The Xyon Wikia Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 19:52, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

Vivaporius

Honestly this has gone too far. He starts with this "Dirigism" bullshit which advocates pedo shit, (danger to society in general), and the only reason he survived the last impeachment was the whole Ace shit. He regularly makes vulgar alien porographic stories, and that is simply toxic for wiki culture. I propose an impeachment, not any step further.

Keep in mind the last attempt at impeachment was only blocked due to fear of a repeat of the Upvote situation. This isn't a matter of debate this time, we have a serious societal threat on this wiki armed with mod powers. Therefore there is ground to impeachment.

Honestly enough is enough. Just like weinstein should not be enabled, we cannot enable viva further. Let us unite to impeach him. This is a matter of morals an principals.

Edit: I will also add that Viva hasn't actually done any work in a while, so there is little point of supporting him in this process. He literally needs to be impeached.

To those saying "muh doenst have any powers"

thats not the point, we dont need a pedophilia apologist with the stars.

Warrioroffreedom123

  • Supporters
    • Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess 22:39, August 8, 2019 (UTC)
    • Colgan this isn't necessarily about Viva's political beliefs (homophobia, et al.), in fact I ignore that and just yesterday I had a civil conversation with Viva about his beliefs. It's just that as a mod he has shown to be unfit; since his last impeachment he has done zero moderator work that would constitute positive work, and in the same time frame (and especially before that) has had many incidents that shown he is actually doing negative actions. As a moderator he should be held to a higher standard than that. It's nothing personal, it's just self evident that he is not acting as a moderator, is not contributing as a moderator, and is not being beneficial as a moderator. Neesym (talk) 23:04, August 8, 2019 (UTC)
    • I heard he doesn't like pandas, nor conservation efforts >:( General534 (talk) 01:21, August 9, 2019 (UTC)
    • In an intense conversation with Vand and others, Vand told me in his own words that Viva posted a porn drawing (of one of his species), violating both the rules of Discord and Fandom, that alone is grounds for impeachment for a mod. -KK
    • Vandenhoek (talk) 03:59, August 9, 2019 (UTC)
    • Curmudgeonly yours - Crim 05:35, August 9, 2019 (UTC)
    • Sure be toxic, sure be intolerant, sure be creepy; but don’t be surprised when you receive backlash. – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
    • Stepintime
    • I'm sure as hell agreeing here              Deadly State of Mind Leader of the Knights of Scraw.  19:57, August 9, 2019 (UTC)
    • I believe the evidence against Viva is substantial and his arguement a very poor one over legalistic issues which find me indifferent, which surprised me since i was leaning on supporting him but his stance left me no other choice, diverting the arguement and not attempting to refute it with evidence therefore admiting his guilt, not only that but his resort to what i would characterize as cheap tactics, by slandering his accusser and not refuting the arguement made against him i believe him to be damaging the collective reputation of this wiki. Therefore the only rational action i can take is vote for his impeachment, he has forced my hand. BearCav
  • Objectors
    • This entire fiasco is entirely out of personal spite and hatred for Viva. Though Viva has views I don't agree with, especially on homosexuality, I have never seen him actually use hate speech against gays. I’ll vouch for viva that he in fact did not post gay porn in althistory, and is was in fact Ethan, who posted gay porn in an entirely different server, therefore that argument is entirely null and void and cannot be used seriously as an argument against Viva. Furthermore it is very clear and common knowledge that Viva’s projects do not reflect his actual political views and he is definitely not a pedophile. I’ll state again that this entire fiasco is bullshit and is fueled by personal hatred for Viva. This isn’t justice, this is revenge. Colgan dog 13:57, August 9, 2019 (UTC)

Discussion

Warrior, you have to discuss the issue with the TSPTF first and if you cannot resolve the issue with them, then you may request an impeachment.

User who feels a TSPTF member should be impeached from his position, must first contact the TSPTF on their talk page with their complaint and attempt to work out the issue with them.

Follow the rules please, and you will have your impeachment if a solution cannot be found by the moderators. Thank you. The Xyon Wikia Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 20:28, August 8, 2019 (UTC)

yeah....no. The grads are letting this process and you crossing it out is due to a conflict of interest. You may need to try harder to escape your inevitable downfall and accountability.

warrior

You're free to continue with your request for an impeachment, but you have to go through the process as laid out by the rules. Conflict or not, the rules are what they are. You can't jump ahead of the process because you have a personal gripe with one of the administrators. I don't make the rules, I just follow them. And I ask you to do the same. The Xyon Wikia Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 20:44, August 8, 2019 (UTC)

I’m pretty sure granting oct, a self proclaimed troll mod powers and at one point vandalizing principia isn’t following the rules. Warrior

Viva cannot cross out his own impeachment proceedings, this is a conflict of interest.

Scrawland Scribblescratch 20:50, August 8, 2019 (UTC)

I would suggest that the rules be adhered too, but if you see it that way, I won't complain. The Xyon Wikia Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 20:53, August 8, 2019 (UTC)

Antiquated rules or no, it is still a conflict of interest.             Deadly State of Mind Leader of the Knights of Scraw.  20:57, August 8, 2019 (UTC)

As I already stated, I won't contest the decision by Scraw. We'll just let this play out. The Xyon Wikia Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 21:03, August 8, 2019 (UTC)

It's no secret that I've not been following the allegation nor am I aware of what took place over Discord. However, the rules ought to be followed in any proceeding, and quite simply: they were not. Viva should not have crossed out the impeachment on his own, but the rest of the TSPTF (and indeed, those in the user base who would rather uphold the rule of law rather than the rule of masses) ought to ensure that impeachments follow proper protocol. I will not be voting in this matter unless this farcical effort to circumvent the rules is allowed to take place, in which case I will vote against impeachment to uphold our wiki-wide rules. Reximus | Talk to Me!<font color=red">Talk to Me!​<font color=red">Talk to Me!</font>​ 21:26, August 8, 2019 (UTC)

Bottom line is Viva has to go. He has proven time and again to be a toxic presence on the wiki. I have said before that he gets in argumentative moods for the sake of being argumentative. He antagonizes people into these arguments and draws them out longer than necessary, which is the very definition of a troll. This behavior has been pointed out time and again, his powers on discord have been neutered, and he still has not learned his lesson. It is clear that if he has not changed already, it's unlikely that he ever will. In other terms, he has been approached about his behavior before and has not done anything to correct his behavior. Much as strict protocol was not followed, I think the amount people complaining to him about his behavior over the span of years speaks to itself. Moreover, this incident exemplifies why many of the site rules need to be updated to better reflect what the community is now. It is, rather than a strictly wikia-based community, a group of people largely interacting on a discord channel. I implore the TSPTF to re-examine how incidents like this are handled on the future. Curmudgeonly yours - Crim 05:35, August 9, 2019 (UTC)

I will address what needs to be avoided. This cannot turn into a drawn out drama. While that might be inevitable, I will do my best to reign in any chaos. Last time everyone seemed to get turned to emotion when edge called ace a vivcrony. That might have been a flawed tactic, but the fact the entire attempt was dropped was a major stain on our principles. Viva has caused almost irreparable damage to the reputation of the site. Having been on ah.com, I can confirm due to viva’s repugnant dirigism manifesto, there is some flawed perception we are a twisted political cult. To those saying viva never broke any rules I can say take a look. If viva a few years ago didn’t intentionally abuse his powers by giving oct mod powers he is then delusional and mentally unfit for assuming that is reasonable in the slightest. Furthermore vivaporius has vandalized the principia page, inspite of Reximus’s protests. Numerous mods have testified viva has posted phonographic images. Many of our users, such as colgan are extremely young and lack emotional maturity, and thus may get traumatized by such actions which are semi illegal to begin with. Vivaporius has a history of belligerent behavior, and one may argue he is not active, yet they miss the point entirely. Such behavior CANNOT be tolerated and he DEFINITELY should not have any sort of mod title. The fact that he has single handled pushed users off the wikia is also telling. I thank the TSPTF for granting me this opportunity to take a stand. I believe that when I see a injustice occurring, I must rectify it. It is both my religious belief and views of principle. Let us repair the damage that ensued due to the freezing of the motion in 2016. I have faith in the wiki as a whole to make the correct decision. Take care and god bless. Warrior

To KK, I would suggest you get the information from the source rather than from someone who frequently makes assumptions based on someone without knowing or caring about the details. Vand's determination of what is and isn't porn seems to be unusually flexible. First, it wasn't porn; an anatomy illustration doesn't qualify and that is something that I made clear before I posted it. Second, I posted it on my personal Discord server, according to the rules there; Discord does not ban porn, meaning that even if I did, it wouldn't violate the TOS they have. It should be mentioned that Vand didn't mention any of this, but gave you his version of events, meaning that for an individual concerned with the "truth", he made no effort to provide the truth. Finally, I don't post my work to the Althistory Discord, because my work isn't related to this wiki. All of my work is either posted to my personal server, or Centrist16's server, where there is a section for art where I received permission from him to post it. So my work on a seperate wiki cannot be held to the arbitrary personal standards of an abstantee user of this wiki, and you all know that.

From what I can see, Warrior is deliberately creating false information that cannot be verified. Let's take a look at one of these claims he's making:

"The fact that he has single handled pushed users off the wikia is also telling. I thank the TSPTF for granting me this opportunity to take a stand."

Well, when did this happen, where did it happen, and to who did it happen? Warrior can't provide any evidence of this, and seems to be making it up for personal gain. And its odd he levels claims of pornography at me, when he was directly ordered to stop posting gay softcore porn images on Centrist16's channel by one of his moderators. No one had seen Warrior in forever, and when he appeared, he began complaining about my work, and harassing both myself and several individuals on the channel. He thens begin to post gay porn on the channel, leading to this direct statement from the mod and the following interaction:

This was after Warrior posted at least ten images of gay porn to the channel, most of which the mods had to manually remove of the server. 90% of Warriors argument is based on activity he wasn't around for, and which had been dealt with according to various circumstances he wasn't present for. He is likewise trying to have me stripped of my role based on my personal opinions, which aren't subject to Wikia's TOS. You can clearly see that he has a personal motivation for do this based on his own statements in his last paragraph, and most of the user base have already expressed their disgust with his actions and this sham of an impeachment. The Xyon Wikia Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 13:31, August 9, 2019 (UTC)

Loool viva. That was on con worlds for one lmao. Keep this to wiki discussion. Not altverse mirahaze. Also you seem to be jumping to assumptions. This is a matter of principle, and you are trying to divert it to an ideological debate. In terms of the con worlds situation, I will say I have already cleared the situation with Trav and "porn" is kinda a stretch when no genitals are showing. But I refuse to engage over this childish and rebuked irrelevant dispute because it is a mere diversion tactic. Rather than actually providing evidence to the contrary, you're like "look i got him here!" on me for leading the impeachment. I've already cleared up this off wiki drama, now please stay on topic. Interesting how you point to con worlds. Also, do you not remember the teacher you pushed off? or are you conveniently forgetting. I could further rebuke your point on con worlds because you too resorted to open trolling, but this would be a mere diversion. Anyway diversion attempt failed, get back on topic. When you have an actual credible rebuttal, post it, and I shall calmly explain how wrong you are.

Adressing Colgan, I posted no gay porn on althistory. I posted softcore porn on altverse miraheze. Please do your research, and actually study the situation before making such a "point."

Furthermore, I don't have mod powers, not on this wiki, not on the altverse miraheze. Again, I send the same message I sent to viva to you, please come up with an actual credible point so I may education you on how you are incorrect.

Warrior

I clearly stated in my objection that you did not post porn on althistory and that you posted it on another server. Next time actually read what I have to say before posting things such as this. Also when did I say you had mod powers? Now you are just making shit up. Colgan dog 15:54, August 9, 2019 (UTC)

Warrior, you're also admitting that you did post porn to the server. Porn is still porn regardless of whether or not it was softcore or hardcore. Which now brings me to my question. Why are you trying to run an impeachment against me with porn as the crux of your argument, when you clearly admit to having done this yourself, with images that were clearly of a sexual nature? I asked for permission to post my work, and the work itself was not sexual in nature. You posted porn against the objections of everyone else and you knew it was against the TOS as that wasn't the channel for what you had. You did it to harass someone else, and then you continued to behave aggressively for the entire time you were there. The Xyon Wikia Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 16:19, August 9, 2019 (UTC) I am not a moderator unlike you. This is also not conworlds. I shouldn’t have to continue addressing this deflection. As I have said, come up with a valid point rather than a conspiracy theory I’m some “butthurt lib.” Unlike you, I don’t hold grudges. Again a revert to the nature of the discussion is needed. I’m not going to entertain the trap you tried and succeeded in during the 2016 disappointment. Waiting for an actual argument, and will calmly debunk it as soon as possible. Honestly I could give two shits about altverse miraheze - if you have a problem there, bring it up to Justin. Now back to the issue. Honestly by taking out of wiki behaviors you are opening a pandora’s box that will baClaire unto you.

warrior

Viva you posted the softcore porn stuff on althistory Discord. Ethan posted two men kissing, but that was on Conworlds first of all, so not relevant to this wiki. But more importantly it's not relevant because Ethan isn't a mod. You are a mod so you are held to a higher standard than that and expected not to do something similar to what the users do (users who were chastised for posting it too). Also Viva posted it on Althistory Discord, it's just that he deleted it when Vand asked him to. You can find it in the archives on Althistory. I would post it here, but unfortunately it is definitely banned on FANDOM, so I can't even really illustrate the issue here (but we have screenshots on discord). To reiterate, pointing out that Ethan also posted porn before is not relevant, because 1. That was an entirely different server 2. He is not a mod 3. He was chastised for it, so by your logic you should be chastised for posting something that is (in my opinion) worse. Trying to post screenshots from another server to show Ethan also posted porn is more like hearsay than anything else, because it's just an attempt to defame the accusor rather than prove your innocence or not. Neesym (talk) 17:37, August 9, 2019 (UTC)

If people despise you to the point you can barely find anyone to side with, there's clearly a problem. Also, I've seen what Ethan said. It was two men embracing in a shower, and it was cut at the shoulders. It wasn't explicit, it wasn't sexual, it might not have been exactly work material but characterizing it as pornographic in nature is an exaggeration. Also, this isn't about solely your violation of discord rules (which is rather trivial), but your general condescending and patronizing attitude and your toxic ideology. Having a person who condones or at least tolerates the issues of rape, incest, and pedophilia (and more) should simply not be at a position of power. You literally explicitly stated at the beginning of the document that it was your ideal world – as in, how the world would be organized with you at the top. This time you can't delete the evidence, even if you delete the original document, there'd still be text from other forums that'd give an example of the nature of its content. – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")

Again, that is provably false. When we had a NSFW channel on the other channel, I never went there because I didn't need to use it or want to use it. Why would I post porn to Althistory when I am well aware of the rules? What would I have posted there anyway? You can go through the Discord logs and you won't find anything, so you know that's a bold face lie. And if I deleted the image, then surely the text would still be available for you to post here. So either you're lying yet again, or it didn't happen. As for the screenshot from the other server, that isn't hearsay. That was a mod telling a user not to post porn, for which Ethan himself admitted to doing in the above post. As for defamation, that's literally all this impeachment is based on. There is nothing I've done wrong except for actions Ethan had to dig into the past to use against me.

Mind you, he appeared out of nowhere after being absent for more than years. He goes on a rant about me for projects I worked on years ago, and then begins posting gay porn on the server and harassing me and my brother. After he was reprimanded by the mods there, he then goes on to demand an impeachment for things not even affiliated to this wiki. Last I recall, someone's personal views and opinions on subjects not brought up on this wiki aren't qualifications for an impeachment, yet Ethan literally states them as being the reason this impeachment should even take place. So if my actions outside of Althistory are grounds for impeachment, then Ethan's actions outside of this wiki should likewise be up for scrutiny.

As for Candies screed, someone's political views are still not up for debate on this wiki, especially when it wasn't posted on this wiki. Likewise, I stated my objection in the article I wrote at the bottom, which you tactfully skirted to make your statements. And mind you, I never even mentioned raped, so now you're throwing things into this argument that I haven't spoken of. And why would I delete it? It's been around for four years, and I freely share it with others when they ask. You are deliberately trying to make me out to be some lunatic trying to hide their actions from the world. Everyone already read it, said their piece, and moved on. You stand provably accused of conspiring with Nathan to impeach me the last time because you were personally upset over something simple. When I shared the evidence with everyone, the charges were dropped because they saw you planned the whole thing. So you have nothing to add to this debate. Vivaporius (talk) 18:19, August 9, 2019 (UTC)

Huh? I was the one who said that everyone read it. You can try to say the opposite, but I have receipts which I took in case you do anything funny and delete stuff from the chat to prove your "point". Second, you in said chat (which occurred in Conworlds – funny you're trying to covertly attract followers there) accused me of trying to tell everyone to read it, and act as if it was news that people had knowledge of it. Thirdly, I do have something to add to this debate, which is precedences of which you've posted questionable material to the chat – including an image depicting female genitalia. Of course, I cannot personally add this here, due to the rules of the wiki (which you have trespassed, ironically), but anyone supervising this impeachment may contact my discord to do so. And I have taken many angles and photographs to show it was not manipulated. – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")

I will say I’m not proud of posting kissing men in retrospect, and though it’s been handled, you are opening the Pandora’s box. I could just as well point out your troll article over a “cure” for homosexuality. In fact I probably should have complained to Justin, but none of this is the point. It’s problematic because you are still missing the reasoning. You still haven’t admitted any wrongdoing when there are countless archival evidences. It’s also rather unfortunate you hold the pretentious view that this is some butthurt revenge quest. No, this is literally the right course of action, and something that should have occurred years ago. To be honest none of this has to do with discord drama, which I am usually responsible for (hence my detox) This is a matter of principle. Where was the justice when you promoted a self proclaimed troll to admin status? What about you vandalizing principia? You haven’t learned your lesson unfortunately, which was the hope of the last impeachment. You were given a chance, and you blew it. Blew it real fast, since you vandalized principia after getting banned with a lack of consequence. If I acted in such a toxic manner, breaking wiki rules to such an extent, I would get some sort of disciplinary action. You have gotten none, not even a slap on the wrist. It’s unfortunate because you continue to deflect. I could care less if you post these screenshots. Go ahead, I really have nothing to hide, unlike you. You argue that I am doing this because of your blatant homophobia, but no. If I were to argue colgan was doing this for a personal dislike against me, I would get immediately jumped on. I’m not going to stoop to your level. But you are really losing credibility with this constant distraction by posting discord drama I already have been talked to about. Really post more, I have nothing to hide, and besides I’m taking a break from discord given my habit of starting conflict. Now care to address the issues directly? Because it’s getting suspicious. I have a feeling you know the truth deep down and fear directly addressing claims as you lack any justification. Anyway I’m on a time crunch, but I take back no claims and I stand with what I said. I am willing to clarify myself further if I must. I think you guys are too intelligent to really need that however. Warrior

Responding to Ney: Yeah no, this entire impeachment isn’t because Viva isn’t fit to be a mod nor is it because he is a bad one, it is just purely just for revenge. Colgan dog 23:57, August 10, 2019 (UTC)

Okay, I promised to myself that I wouldn't post again. Yet I find really no choice. There are a few issues that need to be addresses. Colgan is being rather ridiculous over whether this is a matter of revenge. There were times that other admins, such as Edge, Josh, and United Republic were very provocative in chat in the past, I never resorted to impeachment. There were no grounds for impeachment. Yet in this, there is achieved evidence of Viva's wrongdoing.

With Colgan's nonsense debunked, I find it important to address a different issue. Apparently some seem to believe i'm a front for another user, because my signature is currently broken? Anyway, that is pure slander. Truth is I began impeachment proceedings with initially no support. Even the people who are accused of using me as a front/meatpuppet,(Vand, Ney Ney) urged caution at first. So if you have an issue with Vivepeachment, do not slander them and attack them, instead directly tell me. I shall retain the response "tell me your disagreement, I shall explain how you are wrong."

Anyway, much of the arguments opposed to Vivepeachment do not retain much relevance. Revenge? That is debunked, and it is rather cheap since it avoids Viva's abuses altogether. Politics? I don't try to punish Bear, Nathan, or GB for political disagreements. I did cite Dirigism, but it wasn't merely due to the UR-Fascistic nature, but due to its pedophilia apologia, which has stained the Wikia reputation. (Many on AH.com seem insistent our site is some cult evolved around Dirigism.) Finally, the first valid concern is my lack of signature. That has led many to believe I am a front. However I addressed that earlier if you wish to see my explanation. Anyway the vast majority of arguments are rather Pedantic and deflective, and I have seen no credible defense.

Take care and God Bless,

~~~~warrioroffreedom123

How have I attempted to punish GB, Nathan, and Bear for political disagreements? Vivaporius (talk) 13:10, August 12, 2019 (UTC)

Lol viva I was talking about MYSELF not auctioning against them. Read text fully viva. Lmao Warrior

Well I did read the text completely. You mentioned it as a point of contention regarding my behavior, which you wouldn't have unless it was of importance to your argument. You also stated that I abused my moderator powers, which you haven't presented any evidence of. In what instances have I done that if you don't mind highlighting them? Vivaporius (talk) 18:04, August 12, 2019 (UTC)

In all seriousness (and since Viva asked me to elaborate), I'm voting 'yes' for two reasons:

  1. The evidence explicitly points to Viva having posted inappropriate images on the official Discord, as well as other questionable content on the Wiki and on other sites. I myself was a witness to one infamous case which is so often brought up, but I did not know Viva was a mod at the time of seeing it. With that knowledge now, and having reviewed ~23 additional pieces of evidence, I have come to the realization that Viva is not someone who ought to be representing our community. Because I believe in preserving the integrity of AltHistory as a respectable center for the development and discussion of alternative history, not an outlet for fetishes and personal fantasies, I must vote my conscience.
  2. The consensus is clear. This impeachment is, in many ways, a vote of no confidence from the community. Those who have cast their vote thus far have brought up numerous valid grievances and issues that have not been addressed by Viva, only deflected. I cannot speak for everyone, but it would seem that a plurality sees Viva as unfit for the role he currently holds. In other words, the people have spoken.

Lastly I would like to add that my decision is not personal. I have nothing against Viva pursuing his projects in their appropriate environments and continuing to be a member of this community in a normal capacity, but he should not be managing it. Thank you. General534 (talk) 06:47, August 13, 2019 (UTC)

In response to the above:

  1. The image I posted may have been inappropriate by the standards of some here, however, that would have to go equally for the other moderators on this wiki if that is the standard we are holding ourselves too. Simply putting aside the fact that nudity is not against the ToS of Discord, two of these mods stand credibly accused of posting what would be deemed inappropriate material to the wiki, whether it be sexually explicit (in the case of Crim; of which three pieces of evidence exist) or racially insensitive (in the case of Scraw; of which two pieces of evidence exist). Regardless, I did so with the belief that it would have been appropriate given that other moderators were posting far more explicit content to the server; I wasn't aware my benign illustrator (which had been preceded by a discussion of the species itself and their culture) would have been one of the grounds for my impeachment. Therefore, it would be the height of hypocrisy to hold me to a different standard while our other moderators stand here free of any accusation of impropriety. As to my other works, since when was it appropriate to impeach people from one wiki because of their activities on a completely separate one? Am I now guilty of some sort of violation because material I posted somewhere else in a separate capacity not related to my activities here as a mod? Let us not forget that unless you actively sought out my other work, which had no relation to this wiki, you would never have interacted with it in the first place.
  2. So far, the grievances addressed here can't be addressed or deflected, only questioned. How would I address a four-year old claim of vandalism on the Principia Moderni page when everyone knows it wasn't vandalism, and which was already known to be a post made after a ban from the game? How would you have me address the claim that I'm at fault for my actions on a separate wiki with separate rules which had nothing to do with the rules here? Why should I defend my work not affiliated with this wiki and which I never shared with you? Are you now entitled to know everything that I do away from this wiki in my private life and judge me accordingly to rules that have nothing to the operation of this wiki?

You stated that you have no issue with me pursuing my projects in their appropriate places, but that is exactly what I've done. Which of my works on this wiki give us a bad name? Dirigism? That's on a sandbox wiki. The Mikaeans? You mean the one illustration of a person from a tropical environment I posted (not unlike the Zulu, Tupi, or Papuans, but let's ignore them for a moment because that would make too much sense)? It certainly can't be the Xanians. I don't remember them being anywhere on this wiki. Long story short, all of my works reside in their proper places. The people have spoken, but their cries are based on flawed information and failure to realize that I don't post my "mature" work to this wiki for the very reasons you've cited. Vivaporius (talk) 07:20, August 13, 2019 (UTC)

In taking a broad view of the case, and the history leading up to this case, one finds that the accused TSPTF member has certainly evoked the third and fourth guidelines on prompting an impeachment. The details themselves are quite myriad in deflections and justifications, but what is important is not just that technical rules have been broken, but that the spirit of the community itself has been violated. The community was founded on the inclusive sharing of ideas, and creative writing among friends. Since the impeachment question is about the extra power of a user, the accused must be held to a higher standard. The accused must hold themselves up to a higher standard so that they could protect our community. Regardless of their other merits, if the accused abuses their power by attacking others or if they cannot represent the community then they must lose their position. Impeachments then are not really about the impeached but about the community.

-Stepintime

You said that my actions qualify me for impeachment under its third and fourth rules. Allow me to deconstruct your argument regarding the claims against me.

They have have not been fair, restrained and/or constructive in their dealings with other editors.

In what manner have I not been fair to the other editors on this wiki? In what way have I not been restrained in my dealings with others? Since you spoke of the history leading up to this case, then I suppose you have also seen the history of this wiki as a whole. Arguments and disagreements are common here, and by no means unique to me. I'll admit that I do have a fiery personality that has been a source of soreness for some here. However, you will never see me actively causing problems for the community out of spite for others here. Even though Scraw and I dislike each other, neither of us go out of our way to argue. Even if you look at our discussions, they always start off civil, but tend to devolve into arguments due to our conflicting views and personalities. But I do not start arguments for the sake of having them. I freely and willingly provide support to the other members of this community, and you would be hard pressed to point out an instance where I was unfair to anyone else, even those with whom I have a long history of poor relations with. I have always executed my role as a moderator to the standards expected, and I would challenge you to prove otherwise.

They consistently refuse to follow the conventions and guidelines of this community.

How have I consistently refused to follow the guidelines of this community? Do you think that the role of lieutenant just fell on my lap after my suppose years of violating the guidelines of the community? I was unanimously voted into the roles of lieutenant and constable specifically because I followed the guidelines of this wiki, because I adhered to the inclusive sharing of ideas you mentioned. Do you really believe that between then and now I just stopped out of the blue, even though I have consistently worked to deal with acts of vandalism, provide support to timeline articles by providing my knowledge to other users, and participating in the community for the last seven years? In what way have I qualified under the fourth rule for impeachment?

...what is important is not just that technical rules have been broken, but that the spirit of the community itself has been violated.

You have accused me of deflecting the accusations against me. Am I really guilty for following in the example of my fellow moderators, who hold themselves to the same high standard of behavior expected of me? You when state that my actions have broken the spirit of the community's will, when I have done nothing but abide by it. You state that the technical rules have been broken, when I have shown conclusively that none of the rules were broken. Again, I challenge to point to any of the instances where I have broken these roles, more so especially since you have claimed evidence for such is abundantly available for all to see. Vivaporius (talk) 17:01, August 13, 2019 (UTC)

In reference to the accused, I advise that all people are fallible, and we all make mistakes. Our Wiki, oftentimes, covers flawed historical people, and their mistakes or the 'what if' around their mistakes. While the accused may feel that they have been surrounded and attacked unfairly, sometimes all that can be done is to accept what has to be accepted. In this case, the decision to relive the accused of their authority is near-unanimous.

It may be time to step down, with dignity, and take a breath, after which one may engage in a journey of introspection. Loss- is difficult for us, especially when we put our time and efforts into creative endeavors- that is understood. But, at the end of the day, one must ask themselves what will cause more or less suffering, not just for others, but for the self. Every sunset is followed by sunrise, and every sunrise is indeed new.

-Stepintime

Warrior you didn’t “debunk” my nonesense lol, the only nonesense that was debunked was yours. 16:25, August 14, 2019 (UTC)

TheCrimsonOracle

Recent events have made it clear that Crim is unfit to serve as a Lieutenant in the TSPTF. His long list of indiscretions, general malice, and tendency to cause drama came to a head recently with the unjust banning of Emalia, reportedly largely due to his influence.

In fact, much of the drama currently on the wiki can be traced back to Crim’s baseless attacks on a group of new users, Ema among them, who joined MDM at roughly the same time. While misconduct as a moderator of a map game might be forgiven, even after MDM ended, Crim continued his harassment, targeting Ema, banning T0oxi, and deleting a timeline, in a series of actions that were disputed and eventually rolled back by upper levels of moderation, proving their pointlessness.

Crim spoke on multiple occasions asking for this timeline to be re-deleted anyway, and for its writers to be blocked, despite there being no evidence of them disrupting or trolling the wiki. On the contrary, they had established a very successful timeline, and Crim's repeated insults toward it and calls for it to be deleted were clear trolling, inflammatory, and detrimental to the wiki. ([6])

His actions caused several people associated with this timeline to pursue writing on other wikis or to not publish their work on Althistory, objectively harming the wiki. This is an admin who is actively driving contributions away from the wiki that he’s supposed to be supporting.

Crim’s abuses of power have been noted already. In two separate incidents, Crim has been stripped of his admin powers and jailed by Scraw. ([7]). But more worrying than Crim’s onslaught of personal attacks on drama is his response to accusations. As soon as the message protesting the ban of Emalia went up, Crim has used his admin privileges to propose things in his self interest, threaten or intimidate others, or to quell dissenters, for no other reason to preserve himself. He was again struck down by the other admins, but the fact that they had to is concerning.

It is stated an admin must be fair, restrained, and/or constructive with their dealings with other editors. Crim has demonstrated he is far from fair, and is better described as arbitrary, feeling the need to support the wanton permanent banning of several users - which is the harshest crime on the wiki - for minor offenses, if they exist at all, or because of his personal opinion of them or their associates.

He has refused to follow the conventions of this community, by bypassing the proper procedure in favor of emotional and vindictive punishments. His behavior has cost the wiki several of its contributors, either because they are banned or have been pushed out of the wiki due to his presence. I call this vote to remove Crim, so that the wiki may begin to heal and improve, and no longer fear these punitive or retaliatory abuses of power from him.

-Fires

User:Max Sinister

  • Case: There is a universal expectation that all administrators must lead as a positive example for the community, and create a constructive environment from which the quality content of the wiki arises. Max Sinister has done the opposite of this, as he has a past and ongoing pattern of behavior in which he harasses and intimidates newer users of the community. This not only violates the Rules of the Wiki, but also creates an unconstructive and hostile environment. For example, in the way he approached a completely fresh user who only wanted to say hi. He has marked articles for deletion from a timeline that was just made, on the grounds that he considered the timeline low quality for the Wiki. While it is appropriate to delete stub pages of defunct timelines from years ago, deleting content on the basis of subjective quality is not part of our rules, and constitutes a kind of vandalism. Ordinarily, Robball's impassionate and reactive essay On Deletion would be silly and redundant, if not for these isolated incidents of deletion abuse actually happening. Two days ago, Max Sinister wrote a rant of his personal life on Robball's talk page, saying that he doesn't understand "real" bullying. Immediately following this, Max Sinister took it upon himself to "call out Robball's supporters" by posting similar rants to the talk pages of exactly eleven users: User:T0oxi22, User:Marrybore, User:TheCrimsonOracle, User:Renereve, User:Vandenhoek, User:Nathanadrian, User:Thewolvesden, User:Ycasto, User:Centrist16, User:False Dmitri, and User:Scrawland Scribblescratch.
  • Why does Max Sinister do this? In brief, he believes that the community suffers from an overabundance of low quality content, and the best way of fixing that problem is the elimination of inexperienced or immature users who are responsible for such content. Thus, Max Sinister became extremely perturbed by the abundance of support for Robball during the 2023 Multiverse Awards, because he perceives Robball as the core essence of this inexperienced, immature generation that produces deliberately low quality and trollish content. He believed that giving this award to Robball is a mistake, because it encourages his immature behavior in the future, as well as from other users to come. That is why he chose these eleven users to spam with this rant, because they are the principle actors who voted for Robball during the awards. However, Max Sinister has a fundamental misunderstanding for the purpose of this community. This purpose has evolved over the years, and the generation of admins that currently occupies the TSPTF were originally immature and inexperienced years ago. The current page of rules, as it was established two years ago, has a preamble that outlines the spirit of our regulations, which places the protection of the users above the integrity of content. Integrity of quality content is a major concern, but the solution is investing time and effort into training the younger generation, so that they may become experienced admins of the future. Max Sinister is aware of this change, but refuses to re-align his way of thinking. He has no respect for our community (because he disagrees with Robball being awarded, despite more people voting for him), and he has no respect for our guidelines (because of the behavior rules that he knowingly violates). He believes that his subjective opinions of quality is so superior that it transcends both of these things.
  • Several administrators left messages on his talk page telling him to retract this behavior, and he ignored them. So yesterday, following the major incident of spamming people's talk pages, Max Sinister was brought into the Althist Wiki Discord to explain himself to the TSPTF. I will try not to give exact quotes for privacy purposes, but certain points that came out of that conversation are as follows:
    • 1) Max Sinister does not recognize that anything he did was wrong, and refuses to apologize to the offended parties.
    • 2) He does not believe he violated rules of harassment because his statements to Robball isn't "real" bullying compared to harassment he has seen IRL.
    • 3) He intends that Robball and users like him should leave the Wiki.
    • 4) He believes that the guidelines of the Wiki is inherently flawed, because it isn't designed to deter "Robball's kind".
    • 5) He prophesized that the Wiki will soon cease to exist as a result of low-quality contributors like Robball.
    • 6) His proposed compromise is that, if he is not allowed to police against low-quality contributors, then he will stop all admin work and editing to the Wiki altogether.
  • Subsequent to this conversation, there was a vague suggestion that Max Sinister will stop harassing users and go back to his normal admin work, allowing the other admins to handle issues of user behavior. But I personally do not believe that such a suggestion should stop an impeachment from being proposed. In the context of yesterday's conversation, it was clear that Max Sinister jumped on this suggestion only after it was clear that the admins had no choice but to demote him. And still, unless he is willing to fundamentally change his understanding of the community (and apologize for the harm he has done), then keeping him as an admin does more harm than good. The administration work that Max Sinister already does, while valuable, can easily be fulfilled by other users instead, so that should not impede people from moving forward with discipline.
  • Deadline: Monday, February 13, 2023
  • Signed: Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess 21:51, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Votes for impeachment:
  • Votes against:
    • FP (talk) 00:10, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

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