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:Looking thru [[:Category:Voodixie]], there are still more usernames that don't appear anywhere on the list you made. Most have only one edit, or at most have edited just one page. It makes me think that he's maybe using a public computer that won't save passwords and usernames, so he just creates a new account every time. That also means that reaching out on his various user pages won't do any good, he'll never see the notifications. [[User:Benkarnell|Benkarnell]] ([[User talk:Benkarnell|talk]]) 02:49, 12 December 2020 (UTC) |
:Looking thru [[:Category:Voodixie]], there are still more usernames that don't appear anywhere on the list you made. Most have only one edit, or at most have edited just one page. It makes me think that he's maybe using a public computer that won't save passwords and usernames, so he just creates a new account every time. That also means that reaching out on his various user pages won't do any good, he'll never see the notifications. [[User:Benkarnell|Benkarnell]] ([[User talk:Benkarnell|talk]]) 02:49, 12 December 2020 (UTC) |
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| + | Add [[User:Holiday12]] to the list. He seems to have actually kept this password and logged in using the same username 10 days later. I'm actually struggling with what to do with this content. It's all just so odd. [[User:False Dmitri|False Dmitri]] ([[User talk:False Dmitri|talk]]) 13:51, 18 March 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | ==Recent Ban of [[User:Emaliay|Emalia]]== |
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| − | This morning, reportedly on the urgings of [[User:TheCrimsonOracle|Crim]], the recently active admin [[User:Benkarnell|BenK]] banned Ema, a relatively new user. |
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| + | :Now also [[User talk:Jackoneeye|Jackoneeye]]. I reverted his changes to No Destiny articles; I think it's necessary to track down others. I'm OK with being lenient if he wants to create his weird incoherent universe, but I don't want him bringing that into existing timelines. [[User:False Dmitri|False Dmitri]] ([[User talk:False Dmitri|talk]]) 13:25, 7 April 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | The nominal reason for this ban is ‘being a troll’ but one look at Emalia’s [[Special:Contributions/Emaliay|contributions]] eaisly debunks this. All of her edits have been constructive, and she’s hardly made so much as a typo, much less the kind of vandalism we normally ban users for. |
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| + | Update on this, Scraw finally banned a pair of accounts belonging to this guy, and he hasn't been back; this is consistent with his statements that he lives in a retirement home and uses a public computer. I considered unbanning him, but between the constant creation of new accounts and the weird racism in the timeline, we agreed that it's best to leave things as they are. I hope he has found a new hobby. [[User:False Dmitri|False Dmitri]] ([[User talk:False Dmitri|talk]]) 17:05, 17 July 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | When pressed on discord, BenK admitted that another reason behind the ban was because Ema had apperently furthered what he described as "'Voter suppression' conspiracies" regarding the recent [[Alternative History:Request for user rights|nomination]] of [[User:FirstStooge|FirstStooge]] to the rank of Lietenant. On top of it being a questionable decision to ban a user for questioning an election that was obviously mishandled, BenK has also provided no evidence that Ema was especially involved in this activity. |
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| + | == Suspected sockpuppet of Timba == |
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| − | In addition, the fact the idea for it reportedly originated immediately after Ema and several other uses voted against FirstStooge’s nomination makes the ban especially suspect. Crim, who has a well-known grudge against Ema and a group of other users, was also reportedly influential in goading BenK into doing the bans. |
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| + | [[User:James 638]] has posted polls on the forums with no edits at all with similar grammar mistakes to [[User:Timba 3857]]. Looks like sockpuppetry here. For the record, Timba was a spammer of the forums who was blocked twice for it. [[User:Firestarthegodcat|Firestarthegodcat]] ([[User talk:Firestarthegodcat|talk]]) 03:06, 23 February 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | It’s clear to me that there were no reasons to ban Ema outside of personal or political ones, and the fact that she was banned anyway is indicative of a grave abuse of power on the parts of BenK and Crim. On these grounds, I advocate that the ban of Ema be immediately reversed, and that BenK and Crim both take a more measured approach to moderating in the future, especially when personal factors are at play, as they have both failed to show restraint when dealing with these situations. |
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| + | :Yes, I noticed that too. And Timba also used a sockpuppet during one of the blocks. But this time, there is no block happening, so I don't see why Timba would use a sockpuppet. And the posts aren't quite as spammy or weird as Timba's were. I don't think there's evidence that they're the same person, but I'm watching if it gets bad again. [[User:Benkarnell|Benkarnell]] ([[User talk:Benkarnell|talk]]) 04:06, 25 February 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | Yours obedient, |
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| − | [[User:Firesofdoom|Fires]] |
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| + | :Found [[User:Kovu 85721]]. Reeks of the same behavioral traits. --[[User:Firestarthegodcat|Firestarthegodcat]] ([[User talk:Firestarthegodcat|talk]]) 03:29, 10 March 2021 (UTC) |
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| + | ::That's another obvious one. What a weird person. Timba's original is currently in a 3-month block for the other thing. I'll extend it even further, I guess. [[User:False Dmitri|False Dmitri]] ([[User talk:False Dmitri|talk]]) 18:49, 11 March 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | In the matter of the election, I understand that it has become a very inappropriate and maligned event, particularly because of the actions I have taken. I recognize that this was a massive mistake and I apologize. It was never my intention to create such an atmosphere of mistrust and dispute. I fully understand why people may vote no on the election, as is everyone's right to do so. It is quite evident that election will now result in FirstStooge not being promoted, through no fault of his own. So I apologize to him and everyone else for such dereliction of duty. |
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| + | :::Why is his talk page access revoked, I wonder? --[[User:Firestarthegodcat|Firestarthegodcat]] ([[User talk:Firestarthegodcat|talk]]) 03:28, 12 March 2021 (UTC) |
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| + | ::::Accident, I think. I changed it. [[User:False Dmitri|False Dmitri]] ([[User talk:False Dmitri|talk]]) 03:41, 12 March 2021 (UTC) |
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| + | [[User:Peter Bread 852]] is another possible sockpuppet. [[User:False Dmitri|False Dmitri]] ([[User talk:False Dmitri|talk]]) 23:15, 13 March 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | Furthermore I dispute the consideration of other personal motivations on the part of the involved admins. While it may be possible that Crim possesses personal motivations regarding this issue, he did not make the final decision or take the action, and it was Ben who did so with my approval. Ben is a wise, judicious, and fair-minded individual and administrator, and has been for a long time, long before any of us were on the wiki, and perhaps even longer than some of you may have been alive. I greatly value his opinion and if he has reached the point where he believes someone could be or should be banned, that makes me take it seriously. |
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| + | :I agree. Please block ASAP. I believe they need an entry on the Wall of Shame as well. --[[User:Firestarthegodcat|Firestarthegodcat]] ([[User talk:Firestarthegodcat|talk]]) 06:19, 14 March 2021 (UTC) |
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| + | [[User:Pope Gramel II]] and [[User:Queene Anne 687314]] same syntax [[User:Jamesmcavoyfanclub|Jamesmcavoyfanclub]] ([[User talk:Jamesmcavoyfanclub|talk]]) 15:10, 17 March 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | Everyone should know I have a pretty lax attitude when it comes argumentation, dispute, and bad behavior. No one has been banned on the wiki or discord in a long time except for very obvious things like vandalism or spam. I avoid putting people in jail in discord as much as possible, and even when other mods do so I usually reverse it. This is because I don't want anyone to feel like they're being punished for what they say. When the extreme decision is taken to ban someone, it is not a decision that is made lightly. In this particular case, the decision to ban Emalia was made after extensive deliberation and discussion among the administrators. When the time came to make the final decision, I did so based on the following reasons. |
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| + | :This is blowing my mind, it feels like dealing with persistent weeds, not a person. Less destructive than annoying. [[User:False Dmitri|False Dmitri]] ([[User talk:False Dmitri|talk]]) 15:25, 18 March 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | Since the time Emalia joined the wiki, and then joined the wiki's discord server, what I have seen is a pattern of argumentative and confrontational which I believe has a deleterious impact on the general health and wellbeing of the community. The vast majority of these arguments have occurred on discord, since that has become the primary venue of mass communication, and these arguments were generally about things happening on the wiki, whether it be about map games or interpersonal disputes or anything else on the wiki. In the course of one's time on the wiki, most people will find themselves occasionally embroiled in such disputes from time to time, and these things pass as quickly as they come. But in the case of Emalia, I have observed that in her short time on our wiki, she has been involved in such affairs much more frequently than anyone else. The combination of all these factors led me to conclude that a ban was an appropriate course of action. |
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| + | [[User:Dewey 754891]] and [[User:Dewaktan 721]]. [[User:Jamesmcavoyfanclub|Jamesmcavoyfanclub]] ([[User talk:Jamesmcavoyfanclub|talk]]) 17:18, 21 March 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | Yet apparently, according to many users who I have spoken to, Emalia is allegedly a positive contributor to their communities and overall a helpful and nice person to be around. To me, this is an absurd proposition, considering it flies counter to the totality of my interactions with her. It sounds almost like a Jekyll and Hyde situation where I have only ever seen Mr. Hyde and I'm being told to believe that this is also the same person as Dr. Jekyll. That sounds incredibly ridiculous if you only know what I know. |
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| + | nvm they were already blocked [[User:Jamesmcavoyfanclub|Jamesmcavoyfanclub]] ([[User talk:Jamesmcavoyfanclub|talk]]) 17:23, 21 March 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | I am not incapable of logic and reason. I welcome discussion and debate from everyone. This ban is not necessarily permanent, but I have yet to see a convincing argument why it should not be. If anyone has further opinions on the matter, this would be the place to express them. Also I am willing to respond to any and all questions, which you may ask here on the wiki or on discord. |
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| + | :Timba now has [[Alternative History talk:TSPTF/Wall of Shame#Timba 3857|a special place on the Wall of Shame]]. [[User:False Dmitri|False Dmitri]] ([[User talk:False Dmitri|talk]]) 23:28, 21 March 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | [[User talk:Scrawland Scribblescratch|Scrawland Scribblescratch]] 23:57, 30 December 2020 (UTC) |
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| + | == Compromised account == |
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| − | I dispute the claim that Emalia has only been argumentative and confrontational since she's joined Althistory and its discord. As evidence of this I point out that just recently she had discussion in the general channel about Roman Emperors and history ([https://i.imgur.com/b7ibwMs.png]). She's posted in the maps channel ([https://i.imgur.com/efBISuI.png]) and the community timelines channel ([https://i.imgur.com/9CEETVt.png]), sharing maps she's made and having discussion about them. |
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| + | [https://althistory.fandom.com/wiki/Talk:Empire_Plantagen%C3%AAt?type=revision&diff=1859353&oldid=1835678] So this looks unlikely to come from an established contributor, and so is suspicious. I request attention to this. Thanks. --[[User:Firestarthegodcat|Firestarthegodcat]] ([[User talk:Firestarthegodcat|talk]]) 10:55, 31 March 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | More importantly, I fail to see a single argument she's participated in where she was inflammatory, insulting, or over the top. She has been very civil and well spoken when she argues, so to say she is a "Mr. Hyde" is highly misleading. Everyone argues on the Althistory discord, with some people that's seemingly all they do. Notably I will point out that even Scraw argues a lot on discord and it is a major thing he does there, and usually in far less friendly terms than Emalia has used. |
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| + | how does tht seem like a compromised account, he was literlaly just saying that you should sotp acting like an admin. also tls can have the same pod, the ideas arnent obscure since joan of arc and henry v are historical figures many know well. also about joan of what, the pod doesnt involve henry v, and again even if it did it wouldnt be plagiarism [[User:Jamesmcavoyfanclub|Jamesmcavoyfanclub]] ([[User talk:Jamesmcavoyfanclub|talk]]) 11:13, 31 March 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | I dispute the claim that Ben is being judicious and fair-minded. While I respect his long tenure on the wiki and his long list of contributions, from what I've seen when speaking to him and in screenshots from others, he is the opposite of level-headed in this situation. He has made a number of snap decisions that have come across as emotionally charged and not well thought out, such as the incident where even I was apparently nearly banned after voting No to FirstStooge. That looks extremely bad, the implication being that FirstStooge expressed he was stressed out/aprehensive with the election, leading Ben to consider banning the people who made FS upset. As you admit there are reasons to vote no, most notably the question activity done by or supported by some of the same admins who deliberate on the Emalia banning. |
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+ | Firestar, stop behaving like this at once! Why are you become more and more suspicious to the others? [[User:FirstStooge|FirstStooge]] ([[User talk:FirstStooge|talk]]) 11:16, 31 March 2021 (UTC) |
| + | == Creating a talk page without my permission == |
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| − | While it’s helpful to know that Ema’s ban was not the result of BenK and Crim acting alone, that doesn’t really change the fact that the ban is completely unjustified. |
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| + | Apparently, someone in the name of [[User:LGV WongKong|LGV WongKong]] has created the [[Talk: OTL vs ATL (A Greater Philippines)|talk page]] of the "[[OTL vs ATL (A Greater Philippines)]]" with the words typed as "Dilawan LOL" without my permission. |
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| − | For one, although Scraw argues that Ema is ‘argumentative and confrontational,’ this was not brought up in the reason Ema was banned (it was simply marked as ‘trolling’). Nor did Ben give me that reason when I asked him point blank, which makes it seem very much like a post-hoc justification for the ban, rather than a principled stance against arguing. |
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| + | - [[User:A Filipino Mapper|A Filipino Mapper]] ([[User talk:A Filipino Mapper|talk]]) 12:07, 27 May 2021 (UTC) - ''moved from the Archive to the active talk page by False Dmitri 13:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC)'' |
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| − | Even if it was a principled stand against the action of arguing, this should result in the ban of 90% of our user base, which at the very least means that this supposed rule against arguments is being selectively enforced. |
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| + | Yes, that just means they want to talk about your timeline. Talk pages are for everyone to discuss. In this case, of course, "Dilawan LOL" is nothing like a constructive comment, so it's OK to delete the comment, as you did. [[User:False Dmitri|False Dmitri]] ([[User talk:False Dmitri|talk]]) 13:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | This is especially worrying considering that in his whole spiel, Scraw did not once defend Crim, or give any reason to believe that he does not have a vendetta against Ema, or explain ay of the other misconduct he stands accused of. That means, **at best**, we’re stuck in a situation where a non-existent rule is being selectively enforced against a user a mod has a grudge against, |
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| + | Well, I'm not a supporter of the so-called "Dilawan" which means "being a supporter of the Liberal Party of the Philippines" in part of my political views as I preferred to be a Progressive. |
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| − | But even that gives the mods the benefit of the doubt, because this argument is completely false. As previously mentioned, all of Ema’s contributions directly on the wiki have been substantive; this is not disputed by anyone, which means the only thing Scraw could be possibly referring to when he accuses Ema of being ‘argumentative and confrontational’ is Ema’s action on the discord. |
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| + | - [[User:A Filipino Mapper|A Filipino Mapper]] ([[User talk:A Filipino Mapper|talk]]) 15:20, 28 May 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | This is also insubstanitated. On the discord, Ema has posted 426 times, which by my count are arranged into 36 distinct conversations. Of these, only six were argumentative, and of those, 3 were about alternate history or politics or the like, which is obviously acceptable based on the general use of the discord, or isn’t as is being wildly selectively enforced. |
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| − | As for the 3 argumentative conversations that were about the wiki, two were minor, including conversation 8, which was a discussion of (but not an engagement in) the drama surrounding mdm, and conversation 29, which was a request to crim to stop bullying the users involved with the morte timeline. |
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| − | The only major argumentative discussion Ema was part of was the argument revolving around the election of FS to LT, which, I might add, she was so correct about Scraw just spent a paragraph apologizing for how it was handled. |
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| − | In the end, 83% of Ema’s discussions were not argumentative in the least, another 14% were so minor as to not be relevant, and the last 3% she was unequivocally correct about. As I said previously, the only way this behavior could logically result in a bad is extremely selective enforcement and the fact that Crim harbors such a vendetta makes this distressingly plausible. |
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| − | A full accounting of Ema’s conversations is included below for reference. |
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| − | Yours obedient, |
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| − | [[User:Firesofdoom|Fires]] |
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| − | |header= A: Full Accounting of Ema's conversations |
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| − | *'''Conversation 1''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: ‘Hello’ |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: ‘I thought this was the server for MDM?’ |
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| − | **Analysis: Ema introduces herself. Other people argue about mdm, particularly bavarian-swiss war, she mostly does not participate. Leaves, when the conversation dies out/she realizes, final message expresses her, thought that the #map-games channel was for mdm, which is largely was at the time. Obviously not argumentative/confrontational. |
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| − | *'''Conversation 2''' |
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| − | **First Messgae from Emalia: ‘Transphobes and homophobes should not be tolerated.’ |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: ‘It's not all about the money’ |
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| − | **Analysis: Emalia begins by expressing her dislike for transphobes and homophobes, and then joins a conversationr regarding university and career plans of various users. At one point, she tells viva not to call a trans user by their dead name, which is the closest to argumentative she gets. |
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| − | *'''Conversation 3''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: ‘Yeah is there any benefit to knowing that a political event is political at a glance, you're supposed to read them and find out probably. Also some things fall into multiple categories’ |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: Only one message here. |
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| − | **Analysis: Ema says something about map games. Obviously not argumentative/confrontational. |
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| − | *'''Conversation 4''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: ‘Isn't Bernie the least pro-Israel out of any of the candidates’ |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: ‘Candies never go full Viva…’ |
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| − | **Analysis: Ema expresses a few of her political views, but doesn’t argue with anyone about them. Ema’s conversation did nothing to change the general flow of conversation after she started. Obviously not argumentative/confrontational. |
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| − | *'''Conversation 5''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: 'Considering you were a belligerent in the war, I doubt you could moderate it, even if you were made a mod’ |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: Only one message |
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| − | **Analysis: Arguably slightly argumentative, but obviously not pursued further, and makes a good point anyway. |
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| − | *'''Conversation 6''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: ‘uh what’ |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: Only one message |
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| − | **Analysis: Arguably slightly argumentative (if you really push the definition), but obviously not pursued further, and makes a good point anyway. |
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| − | *'''Conversation 7''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: ‘In German it's Spanien or Hispanien’ |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: ‘Oh. Clearly he should pick Germaniola then’ |
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| − | **Analysis: Only posted those two messages. Obviously not argumentative/confrontational. |
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| − | *'''Conversation 8''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: ‘You have to open the server properties and set online mode to false, then people with pirated copies can join’ |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: Only one message |
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| − | **Analysis: Obviously not argumentative/confrontational. |
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| − | *'''Conversation 8''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: ‘Mundus Novus’ |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: ‘he's just trolling Nate’ |
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| − | **Analysis: Ema discusses various drama surrounding mdm, and accepts an apology from crim for something he said to her. Although she wasn’t participating (just recounting) the drama and didn’t start the conversation, I’ll be generous and count this as an example of what scraw was referring to. |
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| − | *'''Conversation 9''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: ‘Attention players, some people have chosen provinces that were already taken during their signup and these have been crossed out. If this is you please edit your signup and replaced the crossed out province(s) with new ones if you want to have a full five’ |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: Only one message |
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| − | **Analysis: Obviously not argumentative/confrontational. |
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| − | *'''Conversation 10''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: ‘It's based on the game Risk, where everyone has the same technology and there's very little in the way of details for warfare’ |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: ‘It takes place vaguely in the early 1800s, just assume you have technology similar to that, but technology doesn't actually affect the algo’ |
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| − | **Analysis: Obviously not argumentative/confrontational |
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| − | *'''Conversation 11''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: ‘No his nation is called The Birds of Passage’ |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: ‘what lol’ |
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| − | **Analysis: Ema explains some of the rules and mechanics of the risk map game. Obviously not argumentative/confrontational |
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| − | *'''Conversation 12''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: ‘It would improve the maps a lot/Inkscape produces much higher quality results than a non vector format” |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: ‘“ never said I didn't like them nor was I screaming about it. Centrist suggested to use Inkscape and Tullin asked why, so I was answering why” |
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| − | **Analysis: maybe argumentative/confrontational about maps, I guess, but obviously no one here thinks that is the issue. |
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| − | *'''Conversation 13''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: “Nor did I say not to do the style, Nox” |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: Only one message |
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| − | **Analysis: Obviously not argumentative/confrontational |
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| − | *'''Conversation 14''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: “It's 7400” |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: “not the progression of when they got it, or anything like that” |
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| − | **Analysis: Ema talks about risk. Obviously not argumentative/confrontational |
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| − | *'''Conversation 15''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: “If you want a conceivable chance of the game being plausible and understandable to most players you should probably pick something more modern” |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: “!skip” |
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| − | **Analysis: Ema talks about risk, then plays music. Obviously not argumentative/confrontational |
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| − | *'''Conversation 16''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: “What is it” |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: “The border between the red and green region is Sudan vs South Sudan” |
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| − | **Analysis: Ema talks about risk. Not argumentative/confrontational. |
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| − | *'''Conversation 17''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: “Will there be a section for 2019 and 2020 separately, or are both years combined, because I personally think it would be better to account for both years separately if possible” |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: “Like an honorary featured timeline for that month” |
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| − | **Analysis: Obviously not argumentative/confrontational |
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| − | *'''Conversation 18''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: “Vandverse lol” |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: “Jk but @Vandenhoek probably can help think of an idea” |
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| − | **Analysis: Obviously not argumentative/confrontational |
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| − | *'''Conversation 19''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: “The Holy Roman Empire, 1596, on the eve of the Forty Years' War. Following the death of Emperor Charles V Premyslid of Livonia, the division between Catholics and Jungists would soon turn to war, beginning one of the most devastating wars in European History [Merveilles des Morte]” [Contains image, a map] |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: “Here's the religion map for the same region” [Contains image, a map] |
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| − | **Analysis: Ema posts some maps. Obviously not argumentative/confrontational |
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| − | *'''Conversation 20''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: “I like combining copyeditor but I thought Best Supporting Writer was the best title” |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: “I've had to upload my stuff as PNG copies so that they show up when you put them on templates and pages” |
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| − | **Analysis: Ema gives her suggestions for various stirling categories and how the stirlings should be run. Not argumentative/confrontational |
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| − | *'''Conversation 21''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: “This has been a problem for a while on FANDOM, it looks like the only solution is to save your SVG as a PNG, at least that's how I've been getting my maps to work” |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: Only one message. |
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| − | **Analysis: Obviously not argumentative/confrontational |
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| − | *'''Conversation 22''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: “The new Althistory homepage sucks” |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: “For one we need more information from Centrist or someone about how to mass copy things” |
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| − | **Analysis: Ema engages in an ongoing conversation about how much fandom sucks. Obviously not argumentative/confrontational |
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| − | *'''Conversation 23''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: “Probably not, but if Althistory migrates to Miraheze I wonder if OM on Conworlds will move to the new Althistory” |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: “Yeah check the conversation in the general channel” |
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| − | **Analysis: Extension of conversation 23 on a different channel. Obviously not argumentative/confrontational |
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| − | *'''Conversation 24''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: “Why don't you just delete the whole page?” |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: “If you measure the quality of a timeline by the number of proposals that can be pushed through, you push through things of lower quality. Timelines should be measured off the richness and extensiveness of its content, therefore you just took a big step back” |
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| − | **Analysis: Ema argues about the administration of doomsday. She hardly started it, and it wasn’t just a wiki drama argument, but I guess it was a little argumentative/confrontational |
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| − | *'''Conversation 25''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: “The Templars disbanded in the 1300s, you're thinking of the Hospitallers, Teutonic order, etc” |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: Just on message |
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| − | **Analysis: Obviously not argumentative/confrontational |
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| − | *'''Conversation 26''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: “I thought people said in this channel that maybe two weeks was enough” |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: “write "@ everyone" in the announcement” |
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| − | **Analysis: Ema discusses what the logo for the Stirlings should look like, as well as miscellaneous other topics related to Stirlings. Obviously not argumentative/confrontational |
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| − | *'''Conversation 27''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: “Did Fandom eliminate the Wiki Activity page” |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: “Well that was my question” |
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| − | **Analysis: Ema laments the death of the beloved wiki activity page. Obviously not argumentative/confrontational. |
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| − | *'''Conversation 28''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: “I'll upload it soon” |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: “Oh I'll upload it today” |
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| − | **Analysis: More discussion related to the Sitrlings. Obviously not argumentative/confrontational. |
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| − | *'''Conversation 29''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: “Crim please don't call it "a fanfic written by trolls". It's a legitimate timeline with a lot of effort put into it, not just trolls looking for a quick laugh” |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: “That is...not accurate” |
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| − | **Analysis: Ema asks crim not to bully the users involved in the creation of the Morte TL. If you ask me, Ema is in the right here, but fair enough, I guess it is argumentative/confrontational, and kind of about wiki drama so I’ll give it to you. |
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| − | *'''Conversation 30''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: “Map of Vinland some time in the 12th century in the Merveilles des Morte timeline (work in progress). Each region is an independent Goðorð ("Chiefdom"), with the island only ever loosely unified.” [Contains image, map] |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: “While it's tempting to use names like South-land, West-land, etc, it was a goal of mine not to since I realized all those names are already used elsewhere, most notably in Iceland” |
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| − | **Analysis: Ema posts and discusses a map. Obviously not argumentative/confrontational. |
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| − | *'''Conversation 31''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: “Yes I'll update it eventually” |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: “Like this” [Contains image, screenshot of the wikipedia page for ‘alpine newt’] |
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| − | **Analysis: More Stirling discussion. Obviouslynot argumentative/confrontational |
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| − | *'''Conversation 32''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: “I think for the timeline just assume everything is identical to our world except for the Americas missing, even if it's unlikely (in terms of geology, climate, evolution, etc)” |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: Only one message |
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| − | **Analysis: Timeline discussion. Obviously not argumentative/confrontational |
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| − | *'''Conversation 33''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: “Okay is the actual word, OK is an abbreviation of okay” |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: Only one message |
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| − | **Analysis: Obviously not argumentative/confrontational |
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| − | *'''Conversation 34''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: “Might be interesting to make a page in the timeline about an ATL sexual abuse controversy that forces him to abdicate or something” |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: “[thinking emoji]” |
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| − | **Analysis: Suggustion for doomsday timeline. Obviously not argumentative/confrontational. |
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| − | *'''Conversation 35''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: “[Quote|writer of Cherry, Plum, and Chrysanthemum, and now a Lieutenant in the TSPTF]] |
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| − | Is it just me or did he cheat to become LT? He was losing the vote on the page and then Scraw deleted the No vote” |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: “hope to see you around” |
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| − | **Analysis: Obviously argumentative/confrontational, but it’s worth noting she was questioning an election that scraw has admitted was mishandled. Yes it was wiki drama, but she was objectively correct, and people arguing against her admitted as much. It’s also worth noting that crim jailed her for functionall no reason during this discussion |
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| − | *'''Conversation 36''' |
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| − | **First Message from Emalia: “Why was his message deleted” |
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| − | **Last Message from Emalia: “You speedball, Crim?” |
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| − | **Analysis: Ema participates in a lighthearted conversation about roman emperors. Obviously not argumentative/confrontational |
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| − | =====Addendum Regarding [[User:T0oxi22|Tooxi's]] Ban===== |
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| − | As many of you know, in the same stroke that they banned Emalia, BenK and Crim banned Tooxi as well. This ban was not protested initially because fewer details were immediately available, but upon examination, this ban is clearly even more egregious than the one handed out randomly to Ema. |
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| − | Like Ema, Tooxi was nominally banned for 'trolling'. However, also like Ema, Tooxi's [[Special:Contributions/T0oxi22|contributions]] are devoid of anything even mildly trollish. The most she has been accused of is spamming 'shitty edits to be eligible to vote in the stirlings,' but a) that's not bannable (and wasn't even presented as a reason to ban her), b) that's not trolling, and c) the edits in question where mostly categorizing articles and copyediting, something the wiki immensely benefits from. |
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| − | So, maybe, like Ema, Tooxi is being accused of being 'argumentative and confrontational' on the discord? Well, that would be weird, because Tooxi '''has never once posted on the discord'''. She's never even joined it. The mods who banned Tooxi can't give a single example of trolling on the wiki, because it doesn't exist, or a single instance on the discord, because she has never been there. |
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| − | This leaves two possibilities. |
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| − | #Tooxi is being banned for trollish actions outside of both the wiki and the discord, and these trollish actions have not been brought to the attention of the community. |
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| − | #Tooxi is being banned as a result of a personal vendetta against her, by a mod or mods who think they can get away with it because she's not a well known user. |
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| − | Needless to say, neither of these are acceptable, and as a result I call for Tooxi's ban to be immediately overturned, and the mods responsible be appropriately disciplined. It would be a shame to ban another women for no reason. |
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| − | Yours obedient, |
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| − | [[User:Firesofdoom|Fires]] |
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| − | I agree that the banning of these two users was uncalled for. As Scraw admits in his post, he does not jail users unless he has to, and in my experience Emalia has never jailed and kept in there for a legitimate punishment - on the contrary, she has been unjailed by Scraw on countless occassions. Fires has already pointed out that statistically the claim that she only is argumentative is patently false. The data just doesn't support that, and shows that in her time on discord she has hardly partaken in arguments. I think to say you only see her arguing is to admit that you are ignorant/unaware of most of the conversations she has partaken in, or choose to ignore such incidents - a form of selection bias/cherrypicking. As for T0oxi it's already self explanatory that she does not troll on the Althistory discord, as she literally has never entered it. |
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| − | You claim that you observe this behavior and believe it is "has a deleterious impact on the general health and wellbeing of the community." I disagree with this, given that half the conversation on the discord is arguing, and Emalia is far more civil and restrained than half the regulars on there. What truly has a negative impact on the health of the wiki is removing a user, one who contributes heavily to its community and its content. |
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| − | If you prize edit count alone then it appears that Emalia is highly inactive and contributing few edits. This is horribly misleading, because she works behind the scenes writing or advising numerous articles which others post. Hours of writing, planning, or consulting for other people's articles has been an extremely beneficial donation to the community, but it counts as zero edits. She has spent hundreds of hours on detailed maps as well, which when posted only count as a single edit. This is all to say, her impact on the wiki and its writings is actually far larger than it would appear by just looking at her contributions log. |
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| − | Furthermore, although you have tried to paint her behavior on discord as trolling/argumentative, I do not see a single instance of such behavior on the wiki. It is ironic because in my experience Emalia is one of the most levelheaded users. She was a very good deputy moderator in MDM and worked "on both sides of the aisle", solving a number of disputes. She always worked hard and contributed to the mod team (Nate calls her one of his key advisors for the game). |
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| − | I also cannot shake the election, which you admit was mishandled, from the case of this banning. I dare say that Emalia would not have been banned if she hadn't have voted, because otherwise why would she even be on your radar? You can claim that it was not done because of the election, but when the series of events are that she voted and almost immediatley is permanently banned, the events can hardly be separated. Especially since other admins admit that factored into the decision. The conclusion is that upon voting no in the election, that is when the discussion began among the TSPTF to deal with this "troublesome group". There was no talk actively to ban Emalia prior to that vote, why is it suddenly the case that she has irreprehensible, heinous actions on her record? Usually the wiki operates in such a way where someone does an action and then are banned for. For example someone might vandalize a page and be banned for a week. It's inescapable the fact that Emalia voted and then was banned, the implication being that that was the reason for the ban, or at least the straw that broke the camel's back. [[User:Nathanadrian|Nathanadrian]] ([[User talk:Nathanadrian|talk]]) 08:53, 31 December 2020 (UTC) |
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| − | == User:PnutbatahSandwich keeps spamming his TLs on the forums == |
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| − | [[User:PnutbatahSandwich]] keeps spamming his TLs on the forums [https://althistory.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000000041953][https://althistory.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000000049145]. He really needs to stop. [[User:Firestarthegodcat|Firestarthegodcat]] ([[User talk:Firestarthegodcat|talk]]) 08:31, 3 January 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | :Three posts in the last three weeks doesn't seem like spam to me. [[User:Benkarnell|Benkarnell]] ([[User talk:Benkarnell|talk]]) 02:41, 9 January 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | Indeed this is what the forum is for. Asking for help is what users should do. [[User:Stepintime|Stepintime]] ([[User talk:Stepintime|talk]]) 22:10, 14 January 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | [[User:James 638]] has posted polls on the forums with no edits at all with similar grammar mistakes to [[User:Timba 3857]]. Looks like sockpuppetry here. For the record, Timba was a spammer of the forums who was blocked twice for it. [[User:Firestarthegodcat|Firestarthegodcat]] ([[User talk:Firestarthegodcat|talk]]) 03:06, 23 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 17:05, 17 July 2021
Archives: Archive • Archive 2 • Archive 3 • Archive 4 • Archive 5 • Archive 6 • Archive 7 • Wall of Shame
Sockpuppetry since 2017
Apparently, user ClientCE/Dixsoc/RELseniors2/Debnikcis/Nodestiny20/Thirdplace is a same person. All of them have same writing styles (incoherent at the best) with certain interests on the Confederate States as well as slavery (which he/she has been very enthusiastic about it). All of them also keep editing on same page Voodixie as well as several articles that having similar themes. We can check the evidences through their contributions below:
- Contributions/ClientCE
- Contributions/Dixsoc
- Contributions/RELseniors2
- Contributions/Debnikcis
- Contributions/Nodestiny20
- Contributions/Thirdplace
--- FirstStooge (talk) 07:13, September 11, 2020 (UTC)
- Since none of those users have more than 50 edits, and none of their periods of activity seem to overlap with each other, Hanlon's Razor would suggest to me that this is one person who keeps losing their password and can't be bothered to retrieve it, rather than someone trying to be deceitful. I left a message on Thirdplace's talk page. Benkarnell (talk) 01:44, September 24, 2020 (UTC)
So I haven't heard anything back. Has anything else been done as part of the Voodixie Cinematic Universe? I honestly appreciate what it seems like this person was trying to do - writing a timeline by means of letters and primary documents. But you're totally right, what's actually written is unreadable almost to the point of being gibberish. Is it grounds for deletion? Benkarnell (talk) 22:48, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
I can not even put Grammar template there, because while the grammar can be fixed, the storyline can not. If they are not sockpuppets, then their writings must be somehow cryptic by nature. It can not even be placed into Adoption. If that is true the user is a person who keep forgetting his password, then deletion of incoherent, almost bordering supremacist, pages is better than user blocking. --- FirstStooge (talk) 17:36, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
- Well then, maybe try once more to contact the various user accounts, and then delete. I agree, it's worse than merely bad grammar. Benkarnell (talk) 18:46, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
There are some other problems. Leaving a full address on some pages, and adopting No Destiny without any kind of permission or process - one of the usernames even incorporates the No Destiny name. I never heard anything from Thirdplace (the most recent account used). I just left a message for Nodestiny20 (the only other one active in 2020, with a lot more edits than Thirdplace). We'll see if I hear anything. I think that I will remove the address from all those pages immediately, since it's clearly inappropriate. Later we can consider deleting some of the less coherent articles. Benkarnell (talk) 22:09, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
I believe it will be ended at the deletion of articles, but somehow I got a gut feeling when it (or they) ever returns, it will be escalated into a permaban rapidly. For now, I will leave it to the senior admins to decide this issue. --- FirstStooge (talk) 11:26, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Like I told you above, Ben, he did return and this article sealed our judgment. Permaban for multiple abuses, multiple accounts, semi-trolling, incoherent writings with contents bordering to racist, pro-Confederate thinking. Funny, it is not too long after this discussion, he showed up by himself and proof our repeated doubts are true. Now, let's execute this troll for once and forever. --- FirstStooge (talk) 19:29, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
- I was looking through some older things that I wrote, User talk:Usa-csa clearly seems to have been him as well... Now in the latest nonsensical page he claims to live in a home for handicapped seniors, apparently this one. Now I'm not interested in throwing down the banhammer on a confused old man looking to pass some time, but I think it's appropriate to start deleting some of those older pages. And work my way toward the more recent ones later, when he's moved on to something else. I feel like it's OK to be merciful in this case. Benkarnell (talk) 13:52, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
I believe you are right, Ben. Perhaps deletion of his pages is correct thing to handle him as by all cases he is harmless as I perceived. --- FirstStooge (talk) 14:38, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Looking thru Category:Voodixie, there are still more usernames that don't appear anywhere on the list you made. Most have only one edit, or at most have edited just one page. It makes me think that he's maybe using a public computer that won't save passwords and usernames, so he just creates a new account every time. That also means that reaching out on his various user pages won't do any good, he'll never see the notifications. Benkarnell (talk) 02:49, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
Add User:Holiday12 to the list. He seems to have actually kept this password and logged in using the same username 10 days later. I'm actually struggling with what to do with this content. It's all just so odd. False Dmitri (talk) 13:51, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
- Now also Jackoneeye. I reverted his changes to No Destiny articles; I think it's necessary to track down others. I'm OK with being lenient if he wants to create his weird incoherent universe, but I don't want him bringing that into existing timelines. False Dmitri (talk) 13:25, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Update on this, Scraw finally banned a pair of accounts belonging to this guy, and he hasn't been back; this is consistent with his statements that he lives in a retirement home and uses a public computer. I considered unbanning him, but between the constant creation of new accounts and the weird racism in the timeline, we agreed that it's best to leave things as they are. I hope he has found a new hobby. False Dmitri (talk) 17:05, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
Suspected sockpuppet of Timba
User:James 638 has posted polls on the forums with no edits at all with similar grammar mistakes to User:Timba 3857. Looks like sockpuppetry here. For the record, Timba was a spammer of the forums who was blocked twice for it. Firestarthegodcat (talk) 03:06, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, I noticed that too. And Timba also used a sockpuppet during one of the blocks. But this time, there is no block happening, so I don't see why Timba would use a sockpuppet. And the posts aren't quite as spammy or weird as Timba's were. I don't think there's evidence that they're the same person, but I'm watching if it gets bad again. Benkarnell (talk) 04:06, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
- Found User:Kovu 85721. Reeks of the same behavioral traits. --Firestarthegodcat (talk) 03:29, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
- That's another obvious one. What a weird person. Timba's original is currently in a 3-month block for the other thing. I'll extend it even further, I guess. False Dmitri (talk) 18:49, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- Why is his talk page access revoked, I wonder? --Firestarthegodcat (talk) 03:28, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
- Accident, I think. I changed it. False Dmitri (talk) 03:41, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
- Why is his talk page access revoked, I wonder? --Firestarthegodcat (talk) 03:28, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
- That's another obvious one. What a weird person. Timba's original is currently in a 3-month block for the other thing. I'll extend it even further, I guess. False Dmitri (talk) 18:49, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
User:Peter Bread 852 is another possible sockpuppet. False Dmitri (talk) 23:15, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
- I agree. Please block ASAP. I believe they need an entry on the Wall of Shame as well. --Firestarthegodcat (talk) 06:19, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
User:Pope Gramel II and User:Queene Anne 687314 same syntax Jamesmcavoyfanclub (talk) 15:10, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
- This is blowing my mind, it feels like dealing with persistent weeds, not a person. Less destructive than annoying. False Dmitri (talk) 15:25, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
User:Dewey 754891 and User:Dewaktan 721. Jamesmcavoyfanclub (talk) 17:18, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
nvm they were already blocked Jamesmcavoyfanclub (talk) 17:23, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- Timba now has a special place on the Wall of Shame. False Dmitri (talk) 23:28, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
Compromised account
[1] So this looks unlikely to come from an established contributor, and so is suspicious. I request attention to this. Thanks. --Firestarthegodcat (talk) 10:55, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
how does tht seem like a compromised account, he was literlaly just saying that you should sotp acting like an admin. also tls can have the same pod, the ideas arnent obscure since joan of arc and henry v are historical figures many know well. also about joan of what, the pod doesnt involve henry v, and again even if it did it wouldnt be plagiarism Jamesmcavoyfanclub (talk) 11:13, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
Firestar, stop behaving like this at once! Why are you become more and more suspicious to the others? FirstStooge (talk) 11:16, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
Creating a talk page without my permission
Apparently, someone in the name of LGV WongKong has created the talk page of the "OTL vs ATL (A Greater Philippines)" with the words typed as "Dilawan LOL" without my permission.
- A Filipino Mapper (talk) 12:07, 27 May 2021 (UTC) - moved from the Archive to the active talk page by False Dmitri 13:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Yes, that just means they want to talk about your timeline. Talk pages are for everyone to discuss. In this case, of course, "Dilawan LOL" is nothing like a constructive comment, so it's OK to delete the comment, as you did. False Dmitri (talk) 13:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Well, I'm not a supporter of the so-called "Dilawan" which means "being a supporter of the Liberal Party of the Philippines" in part of my political views as I preferred to be a Progressive.
- A Filipino Mapper (talk) 15:20, 28 May 2021 (UTC)