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| − | {{Template:Main-RWR}}'''Red, White, and Red''' is a Timelime that explores what would happen if [[Eugene V. Debs (Red. White, and Red)|Eugene V. Debs]] had won the [[US Presidential Election of 1912 (Red, White, and Red)|1912 Election]] for the presidency of the [[United States (White, Red, and White)|United States]]. A socialist America isn't out of reach when the Constitution is distorted and |
+ | {{Template:Main-RWR}}'''Red, White, and Red''' is a Timelime that explores what would happen if [[Eugene V. Debs (Red. White, and Red)|Eugene V. Debs]] had won the [[US Presidential Election of 1912 (Red, White, and Red)|1912 Election]] for the presidency of the [[United States (White, Red, and White)|United States]]. A socialist America isn't out of reach when the Constitution is distorted and Communism rises in Eastern Europe. |
Can [[Socialism (Red, White, and Red)|Socialism]], [[Communism (Red, White, and Red)|Communism]], and [[Capitalism (Red, White, and Red)|Capitalism]] all share the same world, or is somebody going to lose in this Cold War? |
Can [[Socialism (Red, White, and Red)|Socialism]], [[Communism (Red, White, and Red)|Communism]], and [[Capitalism (Red, White, and Red)|Capitalism]] all share the same world, or is somebody going to lose in this Cold War? |
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| − | Currently, the two owners ( <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#700000 45%,#700000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px"> [[Image:Ancapflag.svg|25px|link=User:Reximus55]] </span></span><span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#ffffff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF">[[User talk:Reximus55|<span><font color=maroon face="Helvetica">''I find your lack of faith''</font></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Reximus55|<span><font color="#ff0000" face="Helvetica" title="Blog">''disturbing.''</font></span>]] </span> and {{Template:Octs Sig}}) are willing to accept help and suggestions so please contact [[User talk:Reximus55|one of]] [[User talk:Octivian Marius|us]]. We are online at least once a day so we can respond quickly. |
+ | Currently, the two owners ( <span style="-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFFFFF 50%,#FFFFFF 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(#FFD700 50%,#000000 50%));"><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding-bottom:1px;padding-top:1px;-webkit-border-radius: 1px 1px;-moz-border-radius: 1px / 1px;-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);background-image:-webkit-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#700000 45%,#700000 50%);background:-moz-repeating-radial-gradient(ellipse,#000000 45%,#202020 50%));border-top-left-radius:500px 400px;border-bottom-left-radius:500px 400px"> [[Image:Ancapflag.svg|25px|link=User:Reximus55]] </span></span><span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from(#ffffff), to(#ffffff)); -webkit-border-radius: 36px 12px; -moz-border-radius: 36px / 12px; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #ff0000; border:2px double #E5E4E2 border-radius:5px; border-bottom-right-radius:100px 90px; border-top-right-radius:100px 90px; color:#FFFFFF">[[User talk:Reximus55|<span><font color=maroon face="Helvetica">''I find your lack of faith''</font></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Reximus55|<span><font color="#ff0000" face="Helvetica" title="Blog">''disturbing.''</font></span>]] </span> and {{Template:Octs Sig Communist}}) are willing to accept help and suggestions so please contact [[User talk:Reximus55|one of]] [[User talk:Octivian Marius|us]]. We are online at least once a day so we can respond quickly. |
==POD== |
==POD== |
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There is a single [[Point of Divergence]] that distinguishes the world of Red, White, and Red (the [[ATL]]) from the current, real world (the [[OTL]]). This [[Point of Divergence (Red, White, and Red)|Point of Divergence]] takes place on July 29, 1894. |
There is a single [[Point of Divergence]] that distinguishes the world of Red, White, and Red (the [[ATL]]) from the current, real world (the [[OTL]]). This [[Point of Divergence (Red, White, and Red)|Point of Divergence]] takes place on July 29, 1894. |
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As Debs met with the powerful Samuel Gompers of the AFL, Debs convinced Gompers and convinces him to support the strike, giving a huge morale boost to the protesters. With the ARU and AFL both on the same side of the Pullman Strike, it is supported very broadly and Debs is forced to be more moderate in order to work with Gompers, who is co-organizing the strike. |
As Debs met with the powerful Samuel Gompers of the AFL, Debs convinced Gompers and convinces him to support the strike, giving a huge morale boost to the protesters. With the ARU and AFL both on the same side of the Pullman Strike, it is supported very broadly and Debs is forced to be more moderate in order to work with Gompers, who is co-organizing the strike. |
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Instead of the protesters becoming violent, the US government under Cleveland practically declares war on the strikers. After 200+ deaths of rail workers, the strike is broken, and Cleveland attempts to prosecute Gompers and Debs. |
Instead of the protesters becoming violent, the US government under Cleveland practically declares war on the strikers. After 200+ deaths of rail workers, the strike is broken, and Cleveland attempts to prosecute Gompers and Debs. |
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| − | At this time, Debs and Gompers both mingle political theory, and Deb's ideas tend to prevail, and both men grow to espouse the same beliefs. Debs and Gompers are both sentenced to |
+ | At this time, Debs and Gompers both mingle political theory, and Deb's ideas tend to prevail, and both men grow to espouse the same beliefs. Debs and Gompers are both sentenced to six months in prison, and both men, not just Debs, read Marx's Communist Manifesto. |
After getting out, both are relatively socialist, but still manage to maintain their unions. Since the ARU had less leadership and fell apart, Debs began dabbling with the IWW earlier on. During In re Debs, the Supreme Court issues a split decision, further raising support for his later career in politics. |
After getting out, both are relatively socialist, but still manage to maintain their unions. Since the ARU had less leadership and fell apart, Debs began dabbling with the IWW earlier on. During In re Debs, the Supreme Court issues a split decision, further raising support for his later career in politics. |
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==Live News== |
==Live News== |
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+ | The [[Associated Press (Red, White, and Red)|AP]] is the prominent, government-owned, news provider of the [[People's Republic of America (Red, White, and Red)|People's Republic of America]]. It is widely read throughout the nations of the Montreal Pact. |
===Pravda=== |
===Pravda=== |
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| + | [[Pravda (Red, White, and Red)|Pravda ]] is the state-owned new provider of the [[Soviet Union (Red, White, and Red)|Soviet Union]]. Being the official voice of Soviet Communism, it is widely read throughout the nations of the Warsaw Pact. |
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===BBC=== |
===BBC=== |
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| + | The BBC is the main news service of the island of Albion. It was created after the monarchy was overthrown and the nations of Albion need a news service. |
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==OTL vs ATL== |
==OTL vs ATL== |
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Red, White, and Red is a Timelime that explores what would happen if Eugene V. Debs had won the 1912 Election for the presidency of the United States. A socialist America isn't out of reach when the Constitution is distorted and Communism rises in Eastern Europe.
Can Socialism, Communism, and Capitalism all share the same world, or is somebody going to lose in this Cold War?
Currently, the two owners ( 
I find your lack of faith disturbing. and 
Comrade Marius 
) are willing to accept help and suggestions so please contact one of us. We are online at least once a day so we can respond quickly.
POD
There is a single Point of Divergence that distinguishes the world of Red, White, and Red (the ATL) from the current, real world (the OTL). This Point of Divergence takes place on July 29, 1894.
July 29, 1894
On the morning of June 29, 1894, a 39-year old union organizer managed to convince the world's most powerful union boss, Samuel Gompers to come to Blue Island, Illinois in order to help him plan and carry out the Pullman Strike. The man's name was Eugene V. Debs, and he would go on to be the first Socialist President of the United States.
As Debs met with the powerful Samuel Gompers of the AFL, Debs convinced Gompers and convinces him to support the strike, giving a huge morale boost to the protesters. With the ARU and AFL both on the same side of the Pullman Strike, it is supported very broadly and Debs is forced to be more moderate in order to work with Gompers, who is co-organizing the strike.
Immediate Results
Instead of the protesters becoming violent, the US government under Cleveland practically declares war on the strikers. After 200+ deaths of rail workers, the strike is broken, and Cleveland attempts to prosecute Gompers and Debs.
At this time, Debs and Gompers both mingle political theory, and Deb's ideas tend to prevail, and both men grow to espouse the same beliefs. Debs and Gompers are both sentenced to six months in prison, and both men, not just Debs, read Marx's Communist Manifesto.
After getting out, both are relatively socialist, but still manage to maintain their unions. Since the ARU had less leadership and fell apart, Debs began dabbling with the IWW earlier on. During In re Debs, the Supreme Court issues a split decision, further raising support for his later career in politics.
Less Direct Results
To see the results that can be traced directly back to the POD, see this page.
Live News
AP
The AP is the prominent, government-owned, news provider of the People's Republic of America. It is widely read throughout the nations of the Montreal Pact.
Pravda
Pravda is the state-owned new provider of the Soviet Union. Being the official voice of Soviet Communism, it is widely read throughout the nations of the Warsaw Pact.
BBC
The BBC is the main news service of the island of Albion. It was created after the monarchy was overthrown and the nations of Albion need a news service.
OTL vs ATL
See Main Article: OTL vs ATL
As the timeline grows further along, a page will be made dedicated to describing the major differences between our timeline (OTL) and the alternate timeline (ATL). For now, however, we will list the major changes here.