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GENERAL DISCUSSION[]

The following is for general discussion to improve the TL that does not involve article proposals. It's divided into sections for easier navigation.

Countries/Regions/Politics[]

Map?[]

(Posted by Curzedarounda)

This is another appearance of our favorite sockpuppet master, Todetode. Yet the map is pretty cool. False Dmitri (talk) 01:15, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

World Leaders[]

Howdy! I’ve been given permission by a couple contributors on the public Discord to edit a few leaders that are considered to be outdated by this point (i.e. Lieutenant Governor of Cape Girardeau Harry Rediger who in OTL is unfortunately no longer with us as of last year). Just letting the community know in advance. Message me if you’d like for me to acknowledge any objections for future edits.

Sheeplechase (Foothillball) User talk:Foothillball 01:01 2 February 2025 UTC

Graphics / Visualization /Cartography[]

Please leave suggested changes to the main world map in the World Map Changelog. •

Section Archives:Page 1 | Page 2

Siberia[]

Hi to everyone, one the discord channel we writers discussed about how the USSR should be, mainly the much more chinese presence in both the demographics and also it's early history regarding politics and such, with a heavy chinese presence over the Russians European presence in Eastern Russia, and with the also other Asian ethnicities such as Mongolian, Uyghyr, Tygur and others. Regarding this we also discussed about uniting the designs of both the Soviet and Chinese flags for reflect the creation of this new state based on both Soviet Union and China's politics, and everything else. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_Soviet_Union_(Unofficial_Afghan_Wars).svg THIS https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_Chinese_Communist_Party_(Pre-1996).svg THIS TOO

With regards, Alex (talk) 06:39, 4 October 2025 (UTC)

Wiki/Timeline/Article Technicals[]

Section archives: Page 1 | Page 2

Question regarding proposal pages[]

So, I've been wanting to help with this timeline for a while, but there's one thing that confuses me when it comes to proposal pages: do you create the proposal page first and then talk about it on the talk page? Or is it the other way round?

TimeLordMaster108 (talk) 14:17, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

To create a proposal, the first step is to create the page itself, apply the necessary proposal template, and then link it here so it can be discussed. We'll add our thoughts below the submission here, though it's not unheard of for your page's talk page itself to be used for discussion. We also have many active users in the 1983: Doomsday community on our Discord server and we're always happy to discuss it there.

Crim - (talk) 05:33, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

Culture / Society[]

Archives: Page 1 • Page 2 • Page 3

ET on Atari Idea?[]

In OTL, while the false alarm incident was occurring, the mass burial of almost 700,000 unsold Atari video game cartridges, consoles, and computers occurs in Alamogordo, New Mexico. Alamogordo is around 208 miles from Albuquerque, which was hit by nuclear bomb in the '83 Timeline. Due to the fact that NYT wouldn't publish their September 28th story on the burial in ATL (due to the destruction of New York), would the burial happen and the games were found years later or would the chaos prevent the burial?

Another idea: Due to Nintendo being ruined by Doomsday, would Atari and their games be more popular when electricity and society returns to normal? DinoRickyYT

Gamebooks[]

Gamebooks like chose your own advenutre and endless quest where popular in the late 70 and the 80 but took a dive in the 90s. they are making a minor comebakc as a form of phone and tablet app. I feel in the word of doomsday there popularity waould have lasted longer. does somebody want to colab with me on this. Goldwind1 (talk) 12:25, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Miscellaneous discussion[]

Were my articles reviewed into canon?[]

So, I don't exactly know which section to post this question to, but back in 2023 and early 2024 I think I did make a few, at least attempted contributions to this timeline: West Poland (1983: Doomsday) (Proposal), Formula One (1983: Doomsday), 2022 FIFA World Cup (1983: Doomsday).

I recently revisited the pages, and noticed that on the World Cup one, the proposal tag was removed, however, on the Formula One and West Poland ones wasn't? Were they rejected, or is this an oversight? Now, quite frankly I didn't request adoption for West Poland, which is why I made a separate article with my proposal rather than overwriting the main one, which is what I suspect might've caused that one to be overlooked/rejected, however I don't understand why would've the Formula One be rejected.

I'm simply asking for clarification of what exactly happened over the course of 2024 with these articles as I quite frankly forgot about my projects related to 1983: Doomsday lol. If my proposals are not rejected I'm open to working on them further.

mrf7870 21:18 CET, 17th November 2024

Edit: I just took a deeper look into Formula One article and appears like my work has been nuked, so I guess that explains it. Nevermind

21:20 CET, 17th November 2024

Sorry for the late response; yes, Formula One was rejected for not quite fitting the TL, and West Poland cannot continue as is. You cannot make a completely alternate proposal to an existing canon page. You need to adopt and you can only get rid of/replace what is provably or convincingly implausible. Arstar (talk) 07:52, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Adding history to Colorado and other states[]

Hi all,

Long time fan of the wiki. Added some political and economic info to the Colorado page but saw it was reverted? Just wondering how I can get this put in, there is a lot of missing info and as a Coloradoan myself I would love to know how I can edit the page.

Thinking of adding info on the economy, politics, cities, and also the national guard. Thanks

Zahav

Hey Zahav, thanks for letting us know your intent. We roll back all unauthorized edits by default as we have rules pertaining to updating information (see Editorial Guidelines). In this case I happen to be the caretaker for Colorado, so since you've checked in regarding your plans/ideas I'll go ahead and restore your additions. In the future, check the edit history of the article you want to edit to see if the page has an active caretaker or not, if the author/caretaker is no longer part of the community, you can adopt the article. Arstar (talk) 22:28, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

CURRENT ARTICLE PROPOSALS[]

Please list any and all current article proposals and their discussion here. If the proposals only involves a specific section of the article, please state that. Also remember to use {{ddprop}} when reviewing new articles. To graduate an article, move to have the article graduated and if no one objects the article will be considered canon (see the Editorial Guidelines for more information on this process).

Archived Proposals: Page: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24 | 25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 | 32 | 33

French Republic[]

I began this proposal in Summer 2023, a year before we began talks on a formal update of the Francophone world. At the time of writing this I'm proposing this to be the union between parts of the RFTA, Auvergne and Poitiers. Talks of French unification and railroads from west to the center began in 2011, but the plot point was never established. The intention here is to bring the "Seventh Republic" into fruition in a way that acknowledges its flaws, limitations, and even potential for future conflicts with neighbors. I don't think France will ever be one again, or even three again, but its time to do right on this stagnant plot point.

Arstar (talk) 01:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Al-Jazira[]

Proposal by Alessio. Arstar (talk) 05:42, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Well...what do we do here guys? 12 months no movement, but the concept is already canon. Arstar (talk) 05:23, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

The Levantine Review got sort of derailed by France. Once that's done, more attention can be devoted to the other end of the Mediterranean and probably this will get sorted out. For now it's nothing but an infobox and definitely not ready to be anything yet. False Dmitri (talk) 02:35, 3 September 2025 (UTC)

I do agree with Ben about Al-Jazira, i didn't create it for making something out of it, but for others to make use of it and as well for having an initial page. With regards, Alex (talk) 06:52, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

Doomsday in France[]

Technical article I've created to help us out with the France review. Anyone editing that review is welcome to contribute. Curmudgeonly yours - Crim 01:07, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Did this ever get finished or what? False Dmitri (talk) 02:26, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Also, noticing we have a lot of redundant info between France, History of France and this page. Let's decide what to remove from which page. Arstar (talk) 23:37, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Imperial Family of Japan[]

This fun project has evolved from the sleuthing many of us did trying to find who would be the true heir to the throne of Japan. This is one of those things that will continue to evolve over time, but we should have the central story finalized soon. Arstar (talk) 06:17, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

The Red Squirrel[]

2023 article by Vinny on a communist/anarchist group active in former Belgium and the Netherlands. Arstar (talk) 22:05, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

This evolved from comments I made on the server. If Vinny isn't interested in fleshing this out, I'd like to. False Dmitri (talk) 18:35, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Islamic Republic of Gorno-Badakhshan[]

2023 article on post-Turkmen SSR survivor state by Aşgabat türkmenleri. Unlike some of his other reviews and proposals in the former USSR, this one doesn't really violate any pre-existing stuff to my knowledge. Even if he doesn't come back, just some minor adjustments by willing parties would suffice to grad imo. Arstar (talk) 22:05, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

I think this is good to grad as a stub. TLDR; Independent Turkmen survivor state that gradually falls under Siberian sway later on. Arstar (talk) 02:05, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Lexington Conference[]

2022 article by Daesunglim on east North American conference in the aftermath of the American Spring. Incomplete so far but could be a really good concept, especially playing off recent developements with Kentucky, Superior and others on the continent. Arstar (talk) 22:05, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

I know this will have a widespread effect on the former US, and arguably even internationally. I would propose this is a group project, given the various participant nations are managed by different people here.

My general thought here is that, with US and AA expansionism, plus the American Spring, there is the likelihood that parts of the former US are hotspots and could spark a pretty disastrous war.

Daeseunglim (talk) 19:14, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Is there going to be action on this? It's a promising idea but hasn't been fleshed out. Arstar (talk) 16:52, 8 September 2025 (UTC)

Mediterranean Union[]

2023 article by me with the intent to be a customs union covering the "Allied" countries of the Mediterranean in the aftermath of the Second Sicilian War. Still needs to be heavily re-worked and dependent on other TBD developments in Italy and France. Edits welcome. Arstar (talk) 22:05, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

The Sea Islands[]

Proposal by Gryffindor on a sea republic in coastal Georgia and South Carolina. This goes against the WCRB Reports, Savannah, the USAR somewhat, but maybe it can be reworked heavily (reduced in size) or adapted into the Remnant, Neonotia and others. Arstar (talk) 22:27, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello there! I'm back after being away for a while (busy schedule)! I'm going to have to take a while to catch up on all the developments I've missed, so as to make sure I don't contradict any of the developments that have happened, but I want to say thank you for suggesting this proposal of mine for graduation. I do have a suggestion to further the proposal. Perhaps the Sea Islands exist in their own isolated bubble for a while but at some point in maybe the 2010's or 20's they vote to join the USAR to ensure greater protection, as the SI themselves would be sparsely-populated and lightly defended. GryffindorKrypton (talk) 02:28, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

This has been a topic of conversation on Discord and I think it best to move the conversation here. There are a number of environmental factors at play here which would contribute to this region being incredibly underpopulated and very well may be one of the poorest regions in the southern US. These were very sparsely-populated areas to begin with. On the North and South Carolinas page, as well as on the Doomsday page itself, we establish that this area is one of the more heavy-hit areas in SC on Doomsday, both in terms of nukes and radiation. Taking a look at wind direction at the time of Doomsday, this area would receive a direct hit from nuclear fallout. This would spread fires from Charleston south which may not necessarily burn the islands, but would certainly lead to significant smoke which may cause issues as well. All this, coupled with a sudden gas crisis, is going to lead to a massive die-off. Mass deaths due to cascade failure will happen everywhere that was not hit. When coupled with such acute fallout, I would not be surprised if the population density of this area resembled that of Siberia - i.e. 2-3 people per sq/km. This area, plainly put, could not support a state in any way shape or form. Any form of settlement would have to come from post-Doomsday migrants or USAR military installations.

When you read the term "nuclear holocaust," understand that entire cultures will go extinct. I think a big fallacy of this timeline is that smaller ethnic/racial groups oftentimes create their own Fallout-like states following Doomsday. In the case of the Gullah, sadly, I think it is safe to assume this group is critically endangered at best. Crim - (talk) 21:56, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

I think there is room in between the two extremes to elucidate what exactly the region looks like. With a population no greater than the low thousands, this is not a conventionally governable area in that sense. The rad map Crim made does show that most of this zone falls in the mild or moderate fallout zone -- it's important to remember this doesn't mean everyone dies (the wind and tides will also do their share in taking the worst of the gunk out to sea). It also doesn't mean a "Republic" or complex government emerges here. Hilton Head is already canonically part of the USAR, so slightly expanding it to one or two less populated and sparse islands can work within reason. Post-Everything, there's not more than a few thousand people here, but that also works in their favor. They're not actually fighting much of anyone for anything.

My idea to rehabilitate this was that maybe 2 or 3 of the islands are still utilized as ports and airports by the USAR, and this 'activity' allows for a small survivor economy to surround these limited areas of security. This allows the Gullah to survive without 'forcing' it. I think too often in Doomsday we try to justify local control with 'formal' government structures...this could be an area that has 2 USAR bases, and then a couple self-governing survivor communities that send civilians into the base areas for work (maids, chefs, dock workers etc). The USAR does maintain travel and trade with Virginia in canon (although VA does not recognize them as the US successor), so something like the Charlottesville Executive Airport (misnomer, well outside of the blast zone) being a USAR airport an work.

The counter-point to my own idea: putting USAR in the Sea Islands will formally require writing a USAR-Neonotia relationship that dates back to either the 80s or 90s. That can work, it just has to be done.

Looking forward to Gryff's response to Crim and I's thoughts. Welcome back! Arstar (talk) 08:00, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

I love this alternate vision of the islands. It feels just right for the islands and the Gullah people. We have numerous other articles about communities like that which don't play the role of Republics, though they certainly could be described as republics in the historic sense of that term. False Dmitri (talk) 02:30, 3 September 2025 (UTC)

UK Reunionist Movement[]

2022 article by Krypton. Not sure if this is redundant or not, but we should take a vote on it. Arstar (talk) 22:27, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't know about redundant, but it's incomplete. There are multiple known movements not treated in detail. False Dmitri (talk) 18:53, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Finnish volunteer guard (1983: Doomsday)[]

Article by Vinny regarding Finnish military. Crim - (talk) 19:08, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Star Trek (1983: Doomsday)[]

Article by User:Mbtiu. Needs grammar check and more expansion of in-universe lore. Crim - (talk) 21:01, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Ok, cleaned what is there is up. Pretty non-controversial that some reboots of Star Trek (doubly aided by the collapse of copyright law) would happen here and there. Any objections to stub grad? Arstar (talk) 04:57, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

British Virgin Islands (1983: Doomsday)[]

The British West Indies has been overlooked in the TL, thus to start correcting this course, I'm tackling the BVI as a first stop. Proposal is that prologued diffusion between the USVI and BVI leads to an assimilation of the governing structure under the USAR. Any further Ideas I'm happy to discuss I'm looking for a neat way to retain its CF membership too potentially with some degree of autonomy. Trainor90 (talk) 17:55, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

I like this idea. More territory for USAR helps explain the lore better since it's such an influential state, even if it's only a little more territory. And the British Caribbean islands have zero written history so far. False Dmitri (talk) 19:22, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Ciudad Juarez (1983: Doomsday)[]

By Mbtiu. Needs grammar rework and lore expansion. Crim - (talk) 02:57, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and cleaned up the grammar, made it workable as a stub. If no objections, it's fit for stub grad. Arstar (talk) 04:53, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

Mayotte[]

An article on the French overseas territory of Mayotte. The page itself has a storied history by many authors over 10 years, but is currently being revived by Dmitri as part of the France review. Arstar (talk) 03:02, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Silver City[]

Proposal by Pika on the infamous Silver City, a town that's been well attested in the lore of the Southwest but never written about. Exciting its finally getting a page of its own. Just wanted to remind that Silver City is a Wild West frontier town, and arguably has narco-state elements as well. I'm not sure they would be formally styling themselves as the State of New Mexico. Arstar (talk) 03:02, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Arks for Yesterday[]

Article by PiotrHeat. This just isn't up to par in my opinion, but I'll leave it open to discussion. Arstar (talk) 03:02, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

PiotrHeat here. I'm back and plan to finish what I started. Piotr Heat (talk) 15:58, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

Stock Market[]

2023 Article by Daes. We should help him fill it out, maybe a discusson or two will help us flesh out what the big markets are these days. Arstar (talk) 03:18, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

American Winter[]

Articles by me; the American Winter is a catch-all for the general downturn or conflicts faced by various nations in the North American wastes (some of them growing pains, like the Oil sands conflict. Arstar (talk) 03:07, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

The India Pages[]

A relatively large project i am undertaking is to fill in the gaps in the india history, particular the post collapse/pre UIP period with a series of pages. The pages represent a period overlooked in the history of the region and aims to fully round out the subcontinent. This being said none of these pages are themselves active nations but instead constituent nations in the newer Union of india. Let me know peoples thoughts as they develop more pages may be made as the story is ironed out.

Trainor90 (talk) 21:59, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

Chinland[]

An article by new user Kharakal on a breakaway state in the Chin State of Myanmar. Arstar (talk) 20:58, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

Abitibi-Témiscamingue[]

An article by SigmaHero045 on a survivor state in western Quebec. Arstar (talk) 20:58, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

Onondaga and Oneida of Haudenosaunee[]

Two proposals on the respective nations in central New York. Small sovereign communities of a few hundred and few thousand respectively. Planning these not to overpopulate New York's survivor state patchwork, but to rather explain why the state isn't, and won't be, fully reuniting under the New York Republic. Arstar (talk) 10:41, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

I have revived the obsolete proposal on the Haudenosaunee Proposal as a more loosely confederated political body called Haudenosaunee. Since only three of the tribes are politically independent, this is more of an experimental arrangement; the closest comparison for the non-independent tribes subsumed into the political structures of North Penn, Niagara, Canada etc would be Northern Irish parties participating in the Oireachtas prior to Brexit. Arstar (talk) 04:28, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

I'd be interested in exploring the Akwesasne community a little more. Way back I had an idea for fleshing out St Lawrence County, New York, and Haudenosaunee ought to have an exclave there. False Dmitri (talk) 02:32, 3 September 2025 (UTC)

Cooperstown[]

A proposal by GryffindorKrypton on a small baseball-centric town in central New York State. Given our propensity to put very small city-states in New York as opposed to large survivor states, this fits the neighborhood quite well. I think it falls in New York Rangers territory, but that's not a problem as they're not a proper state. Arstar (talk) 04:37, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

Wasteka[]

Proposal by Pikainshadesofblue on a long-canon survivor community comprised of survivors from Chicago. Arstar (talk) 04:52, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

Anjouan[]

Proposal by False Dmitri on one of the islands in the Comorros. Looks like it will break away once talks on the reunification of French overseas departments with the mainland pick up steam. Arstar (talk) 04:52, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

Australia's Wonderland[]

A proposal by Oldsvitto on an Australian theme park. Creative list of attractions, and fits well into the Hanna-Barbera resurgence others have written for Australia. Short, but works as is to grad as a stub. Arstar (talk) 04:52, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

Seems perfectly OK False Dmitri (talk) 02:33, 3 September 2025 (UTC)

Narragansett[]

A proposal by TheBluePika incorporating parts of sandbox ideas from longtime Outer Lands caretaker NuclearVacuum. Arstar (talk) 05:39, 22 August 2025 (UTC)

Dominion Broadcasting Corporation[]

A short page about the DBC. I think it's good for graduation as a stub, even got a logo.Kelothan (talk) 19:06, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

Jeanne Calment[]

I made a page about Jeanne Calment, who was verified as the world's longest lived person in otl and who was residing in Arles as of Doomsday. The chaos after Doomsday would make it hard for her to live as long as 122 as in reaching otl's 1997 (or even to 121 in 1996). More importantly, the chaos and travel disruption after Doomsday would make it hard for her longevity record to be globally recognized by a reputable source of verification.Gmhappy1000 (talk) 17:02, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

Krasnoyarsk[]

I decided to make an article for Krasnoyarsk since my last article was for the world fair and the 2025 world,s fair was held in KrasnoyarskGoldwind1 (talk) 22:49, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

I belive my article is ready for graduationGoldwind1 (talk) 21:10, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

It has been a week since I requested graduation. A week without complaints used to be the time necessary for graduation but the rules have been updated and now there is no clear period of time need to wait for graduation. Should I just wait another week.Goldwind1 (talk) 15:10, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

This was just written a couple weeks ago and nobody's gotten around to looking it over yet. I'd give it some more time. Arstar (talk) 08:13, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

I hope you will look at my Krasnoyarsk article Arstar. I put a lot of effort into editing it’s writing quality.Goldwind1 (talk) 11:28, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

Astarpool do you think it time to graduate my Krasnoyarsk Article now. Also Asterpool will belive help with our World fair article. I have start the national palvion list for the 2025 Krasnoyarsk World Fair but I want to kownn if you want to ac more countries. Will you also add entries to blank list for corporate and other palvions. The other section needs a good fair centerpiece. Also do think a terror attack at the world fair by the Muslim liberation army or some other group would be a good idea.Goldwind1 (talk) 21:00, 1 December 2025 (UTC) m I I

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Computer Technology[]

I am making an article to kinda compiment REMUNDO and video games, I'm planning on the tech to be about as advanced as a iMac g3 in specs or like average win95 computer any objections/suggestions? Alt History Enthusiast (talk)

It's been hard to pin down where tech is at, but consensus puts the "upper boundaries" at early 90s. While there are personal computers and there are video games, there's a massive disparity, and there's just not mass production like we're thinking of. So while there "can" be something approaching Windows 95 specs, thats still gonna be something specialized and off the shelf, and also the upper boundary for the next few years. This article can talk about the range in specs across continents too. Arstar (talk) 04:10, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

Brabant[]

Hello everyone, I posted my first article draft here. It's a proposal for a new state situated in former Belgium. I'm planning on expanding the lore over the next couple of days as well as make a rudimentary map. I have pretty extensive experience with geofiction and writing alternative histories, though mostly in Dutch, so I'm looking forward to sharing what I have up in mind. Khazarman (talk) 5:34, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

Intelligently written. Looking forward to this being finished. Arstar (talk) 07:42, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

I did some substantial updates on the page. The main history topic is mostly finished, I've also added subsections on both the geography and economy of the regions. I'm thinking about setting up a second page for the city of Diest. Khazarman (talk) 14:36, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

Added a second page for Diest, that I also filled in with quite some details. Khazarman (talk) 21:35, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

I'll add the URLs for all pages that are linked to this proposal in this post: https://althistory.fandom.com/wiki/Brabant_(1983:_Doomsday) https://althistory.fandom.com/wiki/Diest_(1983:_Doomsday) https://althistory.fandom.com/wiki/Agrarian_Cooperative_(1983:_Doomsday) https://althistory.fandom.com/wiki/Paras_of_Diest_(1983:_Doomsday) https://althistory.fandom.com/wiki/Prince-Bishopric_of_Scherpenheuvel_(1983:_Doomsday) Khazarman (talk) 17:47, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Made a third page for the agrarian cooperatives, a type of statelet that plays a major role in Brabant's post-Doomsday history. Khazarman (talk) 19:01, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Made a fourth page for the Paras of Diest, a military order that evolved out of Belgian paratroopers and other NATO troops seeking refuge in Brabant. Khazarman (talk) 20:32, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Made a fifth page for the City State of Scherpenheuvel. Khazarman (talk) 17:14, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

Powell, Wyoming[]

This page is based on my hometown. This page will follow it's history through Doomsday, it won't become a major city, but it'll play a supporting role in the history of the United States, and serve as a waypoint between Montana and Wyoming. Kelothan (talk) 18:21, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

CURRENT REVIEWS[]

We place content under Review if someone thinks it contradicts canon or is so improbable that it's damaging to the timeline. To begin a Review, mark the relevant article(s) with the {{ddreview}} template and give your reasons why on the article's talk page and here. Just as with proposals, group consensus will decide if the article should be kept, modified, or marked obsolete.

Russian Confederacy game plan[]

Hi folks! Recently I adopted the Russian Confederacy article, and I got told to put some of my thoughts over here before implementing them (Thanks to Arstar and the people on the discord for helping me with all of this...It'd be kind of hard w/o them). For a bit of background, I've tried to rewrite this article before, but I didn't go through all the necessary steps according to the Editorial Guidelines. Today, I'm going to try to lay out some of my ideas over here and ask for some help with the game plan going forward. First, I'll go over some grievances I had with the original article and why I wanted to rewrite it.

The original article's early history doesn't make much sense. First, Andrey Tretyak was a real Russian colonel (as far as I know), but he didn't become a relevant military leader until the 90s. That, and he would more likely live in the |Kuban People's Republic. Second, why would a Soviet military leader establish a semi-democratic confederation? More likely he'd hold the region under warlord control until it'd be directly annexed into the Socialist Union. My plan is for the Russian Confederacy to be a regional alliance between a couple of city states created to defend against a Soviet warlord (in my proposal Ivan Chembeleyov, based on that old Russian Confederacy review article) that is eventually led by a Russian dissident, who leads the country down an anti-communist path. I chose Aleksander Zuyev to be the Confederacy's first leader, a pilot who defected to Turkey, and then the United States in OTL, who lived, served, and defected around TTL's Doomsday.
The history section in general seems somewhat scuffed. The section about the Russian invasion of part of Ukraine is kinda off-putting for me. The whole "Russians are being oppressed by Ukrainians" comes from Putinist propaganda and doesn't have real basis in history. If a state ever actually existed in eastern Ukraine like that, especially one directly after the collapse of the USSR in WW3, realistically it'd be largely Russophilic. In my opinion, the more likely scenario is that a section of Ukraine that's majority Russian-speaking would vote to join the Russian Confederation for protection as an autonomous state. Also, realistically most, if not all nuclear weapons in the Soviet Union would be destroyed during Doomsday, and the 5 or 10 that still remain would probably be in the possession of Socialist Siberia. Why would the Russian Confederacy possess any nuclear weapons? And how would such a state even have the capabilities to maintain them?
The autonomy of other members of the Russian Confederacy should be restricted. A state where one part was ruled by communists and another part monarchist would collapse instantly. In my opinion, all subdivisions of the Russian Confederation should have the same type of government, all of them having the same (or similar) structure as the Russian Oblasts in OTL. Perhaps some regions ethnic have more autonomy than others, but other than that there shouldn't be that many major differences. To compensate for this pretty core element of the article, though, I propose that the political scene of the Russian Confederacy should be incredibly diverse, where communists, liberals, and even monarchists all in the same Confederate Council, battling it out. The Russian Confederacy is also portrayed as this stable country in the article, which, even without a massive nuclear apocalypse, would be incredibly unrealistic.

Over the last couple days after I originally applied to adopt the article, I've begun writing a draft of how I'd like to rewrite this article, and I've also been asking for help on the AHW Discord. Now, I'm wondering if it would be okay for me to put this article under review. What would y'all think?

The Honorable and Sovereign President of Ridgeland, WhiteChocolateFan. (Contact me here!) 17:11, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Since this is the second Review of this region attempted in two years I'm inclined to tentatively say we can look under the hood here. We need to make sure to integrate your ideas to Asgabat's Review, so its all a bit more focused. With several other Reviews open, we should be surgical here (also integrating the new ideas where they can fit). Until there's more consensus on what the Game Plan is, we should hold off on changing the article itself for now.

I think there are maybe some misconceptions about how confederacies work in Doomsday (wildly different governing structures operating under a single war banner is far from unusual both here and in OTL) .You almost have to view them as an external "mask", or 3 kids in a trench coat pretending to be an adult, and also the comment about "Putinist" propaganda being weaved into the article has no bearing here (especially at the time of writing, in which Ukraine was still led by a very pro-Russian government) I agree that there should be less emphasis on conflict between the two groups as the east of ukraine joining is a no-brainer, the author of the RC seemed to have a wider issue across his pages describing cross-ethnic conflicts like this.

The article has genuine issues this Review should seek to address: The Volga Germans stuff is a bit silly/anachronistic and its external statescraft is a bit confused -is it a rogue state? a legitimate actor competing with Siberia?. Also its good to finally tackle the nuclear question (i could actually see Crimea managing to keep a sub before these guys). But lets not rush this so it doesn't go into "this is how I would have done it" territory so I hope everyone comes on board to chime in. Between WhiteChocolates ideas, and Asgabat's 2023 Review, there should be enough information to do a good restoration job here and bring the RC up to Standard. Arstar (talk) 20:00, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Arstar,

I'm glad to see that you replied to my talk page post! I understand that my "Putinist propaganda" comment is a bit silly considering when this article was written, and first and foremost I'd like to retract that. I'd also gladly be willing to work with other contributors to create a new, consensus article that combines elements of everyone's ideas. I would like to admit that my article made the Russian Confederacy much more centralized then compared to the original article, but I'm working on combatting it. This is a personal opinion of mine--but the degree of "confederacy" in the original article is plain silly, but it's undeniably a core part of the article that I've kinda cut out in my draft. I'm hoping to reintegrate it into whatever collective draft we end up making (albeit at a more realistic level, no chance that there's a Tsardom in Kursk lol)

That aside, I was thinking we could address Volga Germany through: A, giving it its own article, or B, describing its story more in the Volga Germany section of the article--but not so much that the article becomes crowded and hard-to-read. In my headcanon, the Volga German Republic was established by Volga Germans in gulags and across the former USSR who left to form their own state after the chaos of Doomsday, and that it was a relatively quaint and peaceful ethnic survivor state that has only now got involved within the greater regional sphere. Think Kalmykia.

Maybe we can move my userspace draft to Russian Confederacy (1983: Doomsday)/Draft, and have people work on the rewrite there? I'll help by combining aspects from Asgabat's article, which I've already done by including Ivan Chelombeyev rather than the later-emerging Andrey Tretyak and Operation North Arrow. I'm also interested in seeing people's reaction to my rewrite as a predominantly liberal state rather than a predominantly communist state with liberal members...I'm willing to compromise on it, definitely, but in my personal opinion, the Russian Confederacy being an anti-communist state makes it more realistic considering their tensions with the Soviet Union and suprising freedom of political ideology.

The Honorable and Sovereign President of Ridgeland, WhiteChocolateFan. (Contact me here!) 19:08, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Just a general comment here. Let's not get caught assuming that any maintenance of Soviet identity would necessarily = joining Siberia. There's a host of reasons why a Soviet fragment wouldn't trust those guys out east. Some principled, some not. It's absolutely possible for pieces of Russia to keep thinking of itself as Soviet and yet join this confederacy instead of Siberia. False Dmitri (talk) 13:24, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Israel and the Levant[]

Discussions on reviewing Israel and its neighbours have been evolving for some time, with calls for a Review going back to at least 2023 on the Discord. After the Reviews in Italy, Greek Confederation and other nations in the Mediterranean (Tunisia, former Libya) came to a close, we established a firm picture of the full history of these regions that's firmly rooted in plausibility and consideration for the authors. The current review in France is accomplishing the same goals. We are especially proud of the strikelist in Italy and France, which was painstakingly put together using as many sources as possible to uncover Cold War-era sites (such as the nuclear bomber airfield in Rimini, Italy) which were classified until much more recently. Elsewhere in the project, we have taken strides to eliminate the most fantastical and implausible elements from the setting - a wider array of American state capitols were hit, the Sino-Soviet War is being elevated from its origins as a one-liner in the timeline to a fully-fleshed out conflict that sets up later history appropriately, and international organizations take a more conscious approach to the nuances of the Doomsday world. What's most important to these works is that there's now a consistent pulse to these regions and state-to-state dynamics that follows both "Doomsday logic" (the nuances of post-Doomsday history and dynamics between survivor states, rump continuations and other non-state actors) and the QAA logic of real human dynamics and pre-Doomsday history. A special attention has been paid to remove bias, whether it's a "home" bias of writers with attachments of the regions they're writing about, or more negative biases raised by stereotypes.

In that vein, conversations have now turned to Israel, the Levant at large and the Arabian Gulf states, regarding both bringing this region into the Present Day and having it follow the conventions of the timeline. In research & discussions leading up to the present, we have identified the following areas for Review:

Israel[]

The Strike List: Israel's strike list has several instances of "luck" that simply could not possibly occur added up. The below analysis of the regional strike-list by Dmitri succinctly highlights the problem.

Even with detection systems, Israel's proximity means that is has only several minutes to react to the first volley. The original article has the Israeli Air Force spring into action in moment's notice, shooting down several missiles in mid-air which is a feat not repeated elsewhere in the timeline. Several missiles "conveniently" miss the cities of Ashkelon, hitting the Palestinian city of Gaza, while another "conveniently" misses the Ramat David AFB and hits the Palestinian city of Jenin: both of these incidents conveniently destroy the two largest centers of militant resistance in the Palestinian territories. Jerusalem is spared by a jet fighter "shooting down" the missile, whereas Tel Aviv's missile falls into the sea and creates a tsunami that conveniently mostly destroys the Arab Quarter of Jaffa. All of these instances of "luck" which permitted a total Israeli victory will be removed, Israel must contend with the same level of "apocalypse" as the rest of the entire world. Given that Israel is a nuclear power and ally of the West, the Soviets would leave no stone unturned in crippling their military threat a nuclear-armed state poses here. Work is already underway identifying additional strikes in Israel (Ashdod, Eilat, other military sites in the Gush Dan and Negev). The destruction of Ashdod will have consequences for the northern Gaza Strip, so that angle can be retained to some extent and expanded upon. TL;DR - There will be additional strikes on Israel, without "luck" or missiles going off course to its benefit.

The What State Solution"?: This article suffers from a consistent narrative bias in regards to the behaviors of both the Palestinians and the Israeli government. The latter's true priorities are not taken into account, and Doomsday is treated as something that Israel could essentially weather as an institution not only without threat, but instead essentially benefitting from it. Suddenly, with the end of the world and the collapse of Israel's allies, the Palestinians decide to fully acquiesce to total absorption by the State of Israel and become second-class citizens (with concessions, such as a singular office of Palestinian Affairs) in their own land. The ensuing state clearly retains a Jewish character, it is not a secular binational state, there is just the benefits of citizenship and now the added requirement of mandatory conscription. Plausibility speaking, it is near-impossible that the Palestinians - otherwise not attacked on Doomsday besides peripheral damage from Israel's own strikes - would suddenly acquiesce to the permanent dashing of their aspirations to statehood. If anything, their enemies' population centers and production decimated, the region would collapse into a chaos that Israel could not control on its own.

'Finishing the History and Final Borders': Above everything else, Israel's greatest problem is that like most articles by this author, it was essentially never completed. Its history peters out by 1988, as does that of the rest of the Levant and Arabian Peninsula. Given how certain assumptions have been made into the present such as a League of Nations Zone occupying the Suez Canal, there is scarce canon information to go off of. BluePika, myself and others have explored additional scenarios for events that may happen after 1988, including the Gulf States Union establishing a Sinai-Negev buffer occupation zone to one-up Egyptians, Israelis and Jordanians and establish trade hegemony for their bloc in the region (this fits well with what we know regarding GSU's tactics in Kuwait and former Iraq)

Lebanon[]

Strikes: a Hezbollah training camp in the east, which was a newborn organization on Doomsday, makes absolutely no sense unless one operates with real-life future knowledge and its trying to 'eliminate' a future threat for canon Israel ahead of time. There is nothing in Lebanon proper which requires targeting by nuclear methods on the US end. The striking of the Eisenhower also suffers from this 'malfunction' trope seen in Israel.

'Finishing the Story:' Alessio and TheBluePika are hard at work in fleshing out the conclusion of the Lebanese Civil War, the fate of the Multinational Force (and US diplomatic mission that has many Senate folks present in Lebanon on DD), as well as deciding the fate of Lebanon going into the future. There is already some talk that the Jabal al-Druze could be a go-between with both Lebanon, Israel, and Jordan, but final details remain to be seen.

Syria[]

'Strike List:' Syria's strike list is mostly solid. It fully decapitates the Baath state militarily and decimates its capacity for industry, arguably permanently. I raise two additional contenders for strikes, Deir ez-Zor and Al-Tabqah, which would have posed a military threat to NATO Turkey. There are additional air bases in the Aleppo Governate that may have been hit, and I think the city of Qamishlo would have seen a TAF ground invasion.

'Finishing the Story: As with the rest of this region, the history drops off in the 1980s. There is a longstanding proposal on Al-Jazira, the successor of Syria east of the Euphrates, which may help us to this end.

Turkey, Egypt, Etc.[]

Egypt will need updating past 1988 and revision to the war after changes to Israel are made. Dmitri has argued for a return to a true nuclear strike, and I have argued for adjustments to the borders of the "replacement Kemet" we got after the Greece Review. Turkey, meanwhile, will require adjustments due to World War III and the changes made in the Levant.

Overall, there is much to be discussed, but given how long and how extensive these conversations have been, it's a good time to finally "pull the trigger" on this Review, especially as other projects wind down.

Arstar (talk) 17:58, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Comments[]

I second most if not all of this. While I do think we cannot ignore the role Israel plays in Egypt, we should not give Israel such an easy pass in Doomsday. Looking at the current canon and the targets that are listed, I would suggest doing the following after a quick analysis:

Jerusalem: Honestly, I don't see the reason for Jerusalem to be hit. It's way down on Soviet priorities regarding Israel. Jerusalem if anything should be able to survive quite easily from a NUCLEAR attack, as it is not in any way a priority target.

Tel Aviv/Sve Dov Airport: Tel Aviv should be hit, regardless of whether the city itself or Sve Dov Airport was targetted. Quite frankly, Sve Dov airport was already in decline by 1983, as it got replaced as Tel Aviv's main airport by the Ben Gurion International Airport near Lod. Regardless, I think one could argue for Tel Aviv being nuked to cripple Israel.

Haifa: Haifa is another one of those strikes that is downplayed. Fact of the matter is that Haifa Naval Base is Israel's main navy base, it has US elements there iirc and it has big shipbuilding facilities. It would have been struck, wiping Haifa off the map.

Askhelon: Ashkelon as a target is quite baffling. It was a minor city with little military value, and the highest base there is Bahad 4, which wasn't there at the time of Doomsday, as it would be established as a base only after 1995. Honestly, part of me suspects this was included just to have Gaza be nuked. I would remove the strike.

Ashdod: Ashdod as a target makes sense, given it is one of Israel's big naval bases. Not as important as Haifa or Eilat (see below) but still, the nuke should be retained.

Negev Nuclear Research Center: Obvious target, it got hit in this, we shouldn't remove it.

Ramat David AFB: Again, narrative contrivance allows a Palestinian target to be nuked instead of the Israeli base. Granted, this is not the main Israeli air base (I will get to that), but this is also an obvious target. We should have it hit.

Sdot Micha AFB: This one is also one that is shot down in current canon, and would be a high priority target. However, we should keep in mind that at least one nuclear warhead should exist for the Egypt conflict. This is not an argument to spare Sdot Micha, just keeping this in mind.

Tel Nof AFB: The main Israeli air base and HQ of the Air Force, this one needs to be nuked. Invaluable target, more so than Ramat David, just like Sdot Micha.

Nevatim AFB: This one should be kept as is, it's one of the larger Israeli Air Force bases and houses significant potential. Keep it as is.

So, as far as we have gotten now, we have determined that most of the targets we have here are viable, and to make it plausible within the universe, most of these targets should be retained. The exceptions are Jerusalem and Ashkelon, who are of way lesser or no military relevance, respectively, and should be removed. In addition, the strike list for Israel seems incomplete. My recommendations would be to consider adding the following strikes to the map:

Eilat: Eilat is Israel's primary port town on the Red Sea, and hosts Israel's Red Sea Fleet since its relocation from Sharm el-Sheikh in 1981. In my opinion Eilat needs to be targetted immediately. This strike would also mean some adjustments to Jordan, since Eilat is very close to Jordan's only port of Aqaba.

Atlit Naval Base: Atlit is a small unassuming town a couple miles south of Haifa, but it hosts a naval base which is the garrison for the Shayetet 13, one of Israel's elite naval commandoes. This base is however still classified at this point, so one can debate whether the public would know. I would still put it here though.

Hatzor AFB: Decently-sized air force base of Israel, should be considered for a hit.

Palmachim AFB: While Palmachim AFB at first glance seems like something that could survive, it was a rocket and missile testing site, and had recently become slated to become the spaceport for the newly-founded Israeli Space Agency. A strike should be considered.

Hatzerim AFB: Though primarily the site of Israel's military flight academy, Hatzerim is still home to operational fighter jets. By that alone it should be considered for a strike.

Ramon AFB: Ramon AFB is new at the time of Doomsday, one of three bases constructed prior to Doomsday alongside Nevatim (see above) and Ovda, to replace Israel's lost bases in the Sinai. Ramon AFB had already become one of the most important air bases of Israel, so in my opinion this should be hit.

Ovda AFB: Built alongside Ramon and Nevatim AFBs, Ovda was built as a joint civilian-military airport to serve Eilat, despite its distance from town. It is probably one of the less important air bases in Israel, but deserves getting a look.

Camp Bar-Lev: Located at Kiryat Malakhi, northeast of Ashkelon, this is the main camp of Israel's ground forces. I have not looked personally too much at ground forces because the Soviets would have way less of an interest in decimating Israel's ground capabilities, but the main camp of the army deserves a look.

Of these, in my opinion, the most important to add would be Ramon AFB and Eilat, with maybe a consideration for Camp Bar-Lev. The rest I would not insist upon, but still should be looked at. Overall, the strikes would ensure that what survives of Israel is mostly inland and mostly has a lot of Palestinians. Something to keep in mind. I would not like to speculate on what happens to Israel before establishing an exact hit list, as this would tell us the exact situation we are in.

Finally, to comment on the other nations vied by this review, I would keep in mind that slight changes might be needed for Jordan as part of Israel's review. And that we should maybe look at Syria and think whether there would be a border spill-over from Turkey. As far as Lebanon goes, the strike hitting the Beqaa Valley base was iirc thought to be a Syrian strike that fell there by accident. I am completely fine with removing it.

Thewolvesden 17:17, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Ooof this is a big one. I don't know that I'll be able to contribute much but I will feel responsible for adjusting Egypt to correspond to any changes. I would hope that we don't do anything drastic there; that review was pretty finely calibrated and involved multiple editors (even if it looks like I made most of the edits, a lot of it was directly copied from things that Imperium Guy and Forsaken Pear had written elsewhere). I hope that Kemet can still exist, for example, as well as an international zone around Suez and some bonkers hydro projects. However, I would be willing to revisit the November War; in this case I would want to explore maybe returning to the older canon saying that the desperate junta in charge of Israel resorted to a full-on missile blast in Cairo, not just an EMP. That change, like some of Fxgentleman's other content, does seem designed to paint Israel in as good a light as possible.

@Wolvesden - an accidental strike that happens to eliminate one of Israel's potential enemies definitely fits the overall pattern here. I agree that it should be removed.

Regarding Jordan, that's another where the history only covers one single month, then stops. It should be developed further as part of this overall effort. Maybe I can help with that? I like Jordan.

Also, hey, this could allow us to finally use Ficboy's 4.5-year-old proposal for the Rt. Hon. Queen Amidala.

False Dmitri (talk) 20:45, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

An update, one of the first things to go is going to be the History of Israel. There is a unanimous consensus that the article reads with an overt bias both in vocabulary and outcome, and heavily so. The article reads as if Israel is suffering a regional economic depression rather than having weathered 10 nukes, completely ignores the visceral view of Syrians, who become generic hordes of "refugee aid seekers" seeking food and shelter in their enemy nation, only to be gently turned away by Israel. The "national immunity" of Israel to the collapse of nuked nations seen universally across the timeline is the most egregious aspect of this, overall.

Israel succeeds at re-capturing the Golan Heights. Rather than attempt to heavily operate on the existing history as had to be done with the History of Sicily during that extremely prolonged review (which later turned into a review of the review)....this article is going to be marked obsolete and preserved as is. A new history will be written on the page itself, which has already seen additions from TheBluePika's draft on its political parties, foreign relations, et al. The general outlines of the Israel-Lebanon front and the Israel-Egypt November War will also make their way over to the new history. False Dmitri has also explored the idea of returning the full-on nuclear assault on Cairo to the canon, which will fit the desperation and precarious situation of the Israeli rump state far better than the 2020 era revision. Arstar (talk) 06:02, 22 August 2025 (UTC)

Morocco[]

~~Hopefully this is a quick one.~~ When the World Cups were written, I guess nobody noticed that Morocco, host of the second post-DD Cup in 1994, was in a state of civil war. And I know this was an oversight because the page lists stadiums in territory controlled by different factions, something that's totally unthinkable. I think that the point of choosing Morocco was to have an Atlantic-facing country not in South America. I suggest Senegal instead (at the time united with Gambia, which would be another interesting layer). False Dmitri (talk) 21:27, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

OK, going further into Morocco-related content, I found a major factual error that will require a Review of the country. Post-DD Moroccan history centers around Moulay Hicham, who becomes king after a disputed succession. Unfortunately he was at Princeton University for the fall 1983 semester (in OTL he would earn his BA there in 1985). I was already starting to flesh out and update Morocco. Now I'll have to replace Hicham as well. I sketched out a plan at Talk:Morocco (1983: Doomsday). False Dmitri (talk) 01:35, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES[]

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This subsection is for decisive and vital issues concerning the 1983: Doomsday Timeline. Due to the complexity level we have reached with 1983: Doomsday now, each of these issues might have world-spanning consequences that affect dozens of articles. Please treat this section with the necessary respect and do not place discussions that do not belong here.

ADOPTIONS[]

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Haudenosaunee Republic[]

I know this proposal has been long inactive, but I would like to revive the Haudenosaunee in some capacity in tandem with my proposals on the Onondaga and Oneida Nations, which cover a decent portion of the land found here. I intend for the Haudenosaunee to be a confederation of both sovereign Native survivor states as well as the autonomous tribal communities that are found within Niagara Falls, North Pennsylvania and Canada. The goal is to not make an expansive Native American survivor state as are found in Lakotah and Dinétah, nor a predominantly white but Native in character survivor state as is found in the Chumash Republic, but rather to highlight the modest resurgence of the five tribes across the northeast while also acknowledging the realities of the post-Doomsday world. Arstar (talk) 21:11, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

2026 FIFA World Cup[]

Hi, I'd like to make a revamp of the 2026 FIFA World Cup page for the following reason:

In OTL, the 2026 FIFA World Cup is getting closer and closer, it is in less than a year, and, in a few months, the qualification process will end.

I will wait to see if anyone will accept my proposal or not.

Joplin, Cape Girardeau, Vandalia[]

I am going to adopt these pages as caretaker, there are active writers looking to expand the very agreed separate elements of North America into a de facto United States. This is not going to happen. I am adopting this here to prevent this page being written out of canon via other pages.Trainor90 (talk) 19:42, 21 August 2025 (UTC)

Verdigris[]

I would like to adopt this page, I will try my best to update and rework this page Alt History Enthusiast (talk)

Cities and updates[]

Hello, I want to make some articles on cities. I have a few examples like Crescent City and Placerville, and am working on Dublin and Carson City. Please tell me what you think

Additionally, I think a survivor community in the Coachella Valley could be realistic, please look over my Coachella Valley Union article and tell me your opinions. The nearest strikes would be San Bernardino in the west and Yuma in the east, with farmland in the Imprial Valley.

Finally, I think it would be interesting to create some lore around courier/caravan companies like this one. Maybe scaled down or up depending on what everyone things. Let me know -I-love-truth-seekrs22 (talk) 19:10, 26 November 2025 (UTC)