Put proposals to the A Different History ATL here. Put it outside there too. When it is accepted, it will be taken off this list and the one outside and put in Recent Additions.

United States

A nation profile by me, PitaKang. PitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 02:36, March 11, 2011 (UTC)


A nation profile by BlackSkyEmpire. PitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 22:55, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

West Nepal

A stub by me. Fed (talk) 00:35, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Mughal Empire

A nation profile by Batmanary 00:56, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Republic of Vinland

A nation profile by Alexanders 00:40, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Central Asian Republic

A nation profile byAlexanders 22:06, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Two things:

1. New proposal. England.

2. I made a linking template. From now on, in order to make linking easier, you can just type {{ADH| Insert Article here}} and be done with it. Like this: England. Fed (talk) 15:29, March 15, 2011 (UTC)


Nation by me. PitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 00:47, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Pita, in the page it mentions Ecuador... Well, Ecuador is actually part of New Granada. Fed (talk) 00:25, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Ethiopian Empire

A nation by meVegas adict 17:09, March 17, 2011 (UTC)


Since one of ADH's main images is Finnish Iwo Jima, here is the Finland page.

New Diadochi

A profile in which a new Alexander makes a similar situation to Alexander the Great's.Made by me,Reclaim. ReclaimLandThatIsMine (talk) 00:03, October 17, 2016 (UTC)

Confederate States of America:

wins the civilwar and gains all of the southern states east of the Mississippii river ( Kentucky, Alabama, Goergia, Mississippii, Florida, the Carolina's, Virginia, Maryland, and Washingotn DC,) but becomes an ally of the United States. A nation by me, Rebelsoldier 21:08, April 2, 2011 (UTC) if the CSA doesant mind, we will allso help the USA in any and all future wars.

Sorry Rebel, the Civil War is a major Union victory.Many of the issues that led to the Civil War are different, and many other changes lead to Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia leaving the Union.Alabama is soon spilt, Mississippi suffers manpower problems, and Georgia's economy tanks.In total, it takes three years for the War to be won by the US.

God Bless the United States of America 01:15, August 29, 2011 (UTC)


I made some changes to adjust to the newer countries

What does everyone think? I left off disputed areas, and it's a bit rough. I guessed on some borders Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 01:56, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Beautiful, but there are two/three things:

  • What's the nation in Southern Mexico? If it's the Mayan Empire, then you should put it further east. That's a Nahua land, not a maya one.
  • Mexico is the OTL Empire of Mexico without the OTL Republic of Texas.
  • The Mughal Empire is not disputed land anymore.
  • Tibet is actually Greater Tibet, not the Tibet Autonomous Region.
  • You forgot Italy.
  • You missed the Kingdom of Spain's land ( Aragon and Granada)
  • Persia has a little piece in the southeast that belongs to the Mughals.

Besides that, it's great! Fed (talk) 02:01, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

The Black is my idea for Vestars

Well, if you see any problems, feel free to edit it yourself. I'll just tend it. Preferably everyone should add their own country. But guys, please try not to reduce the resolution. It happens way too often. When anyone downloads the map, they should click the image on the image info page, then click again to zoom in, and only then download it, and edit. I'll fix errors tomorrow if I have time. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 03:57, March 17, 2011 (UTC)


Please upload over the original file. Looks good otherwise. As for Spain, I coloured the wrong side of my own border. There is no country on the north side of the border. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 04:21, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

You also need the Republic of Texas, and Mexico should have California too. Oregon should be there also. But besides that, it's awesome! PitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 16:16, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Lol. This is a do-it-yourself map. Which means do it yourself. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 19:10, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

When are you goning to ratify the propsoals

When they are complete. So far, Korea (A Different History) is the most complete, so yeah. PitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 22:22, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

By the way, I'm moving Azéteque or however it is called further south because without that region Mexico isn't Mexico. Fed (talk) 17:54, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

West African Superpower

Any objections to one? Flag of South Korea.pngPitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 22:40, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yes. The West African cultures are much too varied. They were like a hundred states till British colonialism. Without colonialism to conjoin them together, they would have remained that way. A West African state that had enough strength to be a superpower AND to control all of the territory would be too implausible. Fed (talk) 00:07, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Then how about a South or East or Central African Supowerpower? Flag of South Korea.pngPitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 00:27, March 22, 2011 (UTC)



I had an idea for a mega-Buganda to be a competitor in influence to Ethiopia. Fed (talk) 01:07, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Wait, but couldn't a nation like Ghana, or Mali survive until the present day, and be a superpower? Flag of South Korea.pngPitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 01:08, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

If it had control of the world's gold, it might be able to compete with the Inkas and get a leg up that way. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 01:17, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Inkas? You mean the Peru-Bolivian confederation, right? ;) Fed (talk) 01:19, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I thought you were talking about Axis vs. Allies lol. I don't want to see Peru poor and corrupt if I can help it. Yes, it's quite biased but I might as well, considering most timelines on this site favour other countries *coughChilecough* (just kidding). So yeah, I guess I'll put two PODs, one being the success of the Tupac Amaru II movement, and the other being Chile and Argentina failing in the War of the Peruvian-Bolivian confederation. That should set up a reasonably good "Inka Empire," eh? Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 01:32, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
Ah, yes, my Korea (A Different History) page refers to a nuclear armed Peruvian Federation, is that all right with you? Flag of South Korea.pngPitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 01:34, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
Lol, okay. I'll just say people got tired of saying "Peruvian-Bolivian Confederation" and dropped the Bolivian, and then some nationalist movement changed the name permanently. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 01:47, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
Kenny, that were exactly the PODS I wanted for the Peruvian-Bolivian Confederation to exist. Also, since New Granada will be Peru's enemy, then can New Granada also have nukes? Fed (talk) 01:49, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
Hmmmm. I don't want too many nuclear weapons states running around, so maybe something like North Korea, where the entire world doesn't want them to have them, but they do, etc,? Flag of South Korea.pngPitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 01:51, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
Oh, I think the Mughals should have nukes. In fact, what if we shift the power from North America and Europe to Asia and South America? That really changes the whole balance of power dynamic Batmanary 01:53, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
Basically every nation has a superpower in this TL. Europe has it's Italy and Finland (which I want to be like the OTL Scandinavian nations, rich and neutral), NA has it's Mexico, SA has it's New Granada and Peru, Asia it's Mughals, Africa it's Ethiopia. That can give way to a several-sided Cold War.
Hey, what about if Mexico and New Granada are like North Korea and China in OTL? The pariah state and it's sponsor :) Fed (talk) 01:56, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
And don't forget the Korean empire! Flag of South Korea.pngPitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 01:59, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
I have Arakan as a superpower that somehow experienced a miracle and had a lot of power from maybe 1400s to 1800s, but now just sits back and watches while split into a bunch of small countries, like Scandinavia except for the split part. I could never design a socialist state, but I will do my best to incorporate socialism. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 02:01, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Whole Map

I'm making a map of the whole world, I've only made NA so far, how does it look? Flag of South Korea.pngPitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 00:06, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Could you please reduce Texas to it's 1836 non-disputed boundaries (see Mexico map) and give more of the central area of OTL Utah, Arizona, etc. to Mexico?

By the way, I thought Quebec had to exist... Fed (talk) 00:08, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

I did, it's that purple thing over there. Flag of South Korea.pngPitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 00:12, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Do you like it better now? Flag of South Korea.pngPitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 00:14, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Oregon is much smaller...and I have plans for Quebec and Ontario, which you gave to Quebec, for some reason;D, so is ti okay if we change that border a bit? Bats

Could you change the Texian border with Mexico to the Nueces River, instead of the Rio Grande? Fed (talk) 00:17, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

This one better? Flag of South Korea.pngPitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 00:18, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

You still miss the Nueces boundary. Fed (talk) 00:25, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

This one better? Flag of South Korea.pngPitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 00:26, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, thank you. Fed (talk) 00:29, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Wheres the Vestars, and a Chinese State in CaloforinaAlexanders 00:34, March 23, 2011 (UTC)?

There's no Chinese state in California. It's in ALASKA. Fed (talk) 00:38, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

The Light Purple, is what I ask for the Vestars

I don't mean to be unegotiable and I understand that Pita King has pushed for A 35 states of America, but I have also been pushing for plausability.

Alexanders Idea for N. America

First off it has been aggred that England would not be free of Scananavia unitl 1503.

Second- It is in a near constant war with Scotland, Wales and remaning Danish Out posts

The Vikings are the only Colional power for 5 centuries,

It is far-fecthed to say that England would still be a saxon nation after years of Norwegian Colonazation, even more far-fetched to say they would have any colonies.

But it is silly to say that England could still claim eastren North America.

If you feel that you cannot agree with this, then we should cast of the vote from the Wiki Editors to resolve this Alexanders 14:57, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

OkA Different History 3.png Could someone else sort of take over, and do regions, so that it's easier on me? Flag of South Korea.pngPitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 00:30, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

What is the light purple.. the Vestars?Alexanders 02:11, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Quebec Batmanary 02:18, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

A Different History4.png

  • This is the agrred-upon map of the world. The light purple was created by me, not Alexanders, and is meant to be Quebec, as it follows the Saint Lawrence. The green is Ontario, and the Dark Purple can be Vestars. (What are the "Vestars"? I googled 'em and a colony or country never showed up. Batmanary 20:42, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


The Vestars is the old nordic name for West,(reffering to viking colonies in North America, as historcaly the first colony was in Le Ans Aux Medaows which I have not changed. I cannot accept the dark prurpleAlexanders 22:08, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Everyone should add their zones of interest until it takes up the whole map. That way we have organization. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 00:41, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

  • Dark Red: Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 00:41, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
    ADH Player Zones.png
  • Sky Blue: Batmanary 01:32, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
  • My zones of Interests- Britian, Alaska, Eastren North America and BrazilAlexanders 02:12, March 23, 2011 (UTC) (purple)
  • Korean Peninsula, Europe, Middle East Flag of South Korea.pngPitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) (Black)


Alexanders, keep in mind I will add the borders myself if you don't do it yourself. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 03:29, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


User:Alexanders has a problems with the way things are going. How about we have a vote on it? Flag of South Korea.pngPitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 22:25, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

The Light Purple, is what I ask for the Vestars

I don't mean to be unegotiable and I understand that Pita King has pushed for A 35 states of America, but I have also been pushing for plausability.

First off it has been aggred that England would not be free of Scananavia unitl 1503.

Second- It is in a near constant war with Scotland, Wales and remaning Danish Out posts

The Vikings are the only Colional power for 5 centuries,

It is far-fecthed to say that England would still be a saxon nation after years of Norwegian Colonazation, even more far-fetched to say they would have any colonies.

But it is silly to say that England could still claim eastren North America.

If you feel that you cannot agree with this, then we should cast of the vote from the Wiki Editors to resolve this Alexanders 14:57, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

May I ask what is the diffrence between English Colony North America and 35 state America?Alexanders 22:32, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

It means that America is a colony of GB still, with no independence. Flag of South Korea.pngPitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 22:34, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, independence is good, since I already had England lose power in India, in my Mughal page, therefore meaning that it was at one point, powerful. Batmanary

3 Votes so far... 9 more

Well 7 have voted...

I'm against a Norse America. Alexanders, stop with your ultra-Norse empire ideas. ALMOST NOBODY WANTS THIS. By the way, yes. Yes, England will continue to be Saxon. That's why it's called England and not "New Denmark" or something.

And it is not silly to agree to say the English to colonize North America. Both in OTL and most likely in the timeline, the Norse were divided and couldn't force a strong force to colonize the American continent. And, also, a 900's power will most likely NOT be a superpower in the XVI Century, in which the stronger powers could have stolen it it's colonies. Fed (talk) 22:43, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

I see I have lost the vote, may the Vestars have any part of Canada?Alexanders 23:58, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

I have a better idea, I could repalce the Vestar Kingdom with a weaker Vin-Land Colony and make the Empire of the White Falcon independent?Alexanders 17:13, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, sure, like I said, this is a sort of "free for all". Anything plausible may be added. Flag of South Korea.pngPitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 17:52, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

The dark purple in the previous map can be Vestars, and Newfoundland island could be part of it, but the St Laurent river area is Québec.

The Empire of the White Falcon and it's affilating articles is officaly indepedent,

I will make an replacment in timeAlexanders 00:22, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

As the owner of the USA article, I strongly disagree with getting rid of it.It's a great article, and I believe it will only get better.Alexanders, you mentioned in your article the Plague struck the Vikings.Why not say it nearly wiped them out, and they retreated back to Newfoundland for several centuries as they recovered.The English came in the meantime, and colonized America.The US eventually came to it's current territories, while the Vikings expanded back into Quebec.

God Bless the United States of America 01:28, August 29, 2011 (UTC)


Are there any objections to canonizing the Korea (A Different History) article? Flag of South Korea.pngPitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 20:36, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

How about not canonizing present-day articles until everyone has a general history of their zones. This would incentivize work. I know I sound like a hypocrite, but this is preferable. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 21:08, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I find myself agreeing with you. Since this is not like 1983:DD, set near the present, it would be hard trying to keep canon while writing the TL. Flag of South Korea.pngPitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 21:10, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

I have a suggestion. Since most of the countries are modern, why not just start the timeline closer to the present. From the 1300s or 1400s, because the nations made are all relatively modern, and things like Rome haven't seemed to survive. Bats

Probably should be before that. By then Asia was already weakening. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 01:33, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

No, it wasn't. This was Asia's peak. Obviously some countries would have an earlier start date, but for most it works. Europe did not become powerful until the late 1500s/early 1600s, and at that time, India and China matched them techwise. Bats

But we DO want a Tang Empire, and they collapsed in the 900's. :) Fed (talk) 22:09, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Again, some exceptions, but we can start the overall timeline in the 1400s. Plus, there couold always be a Tang resurgence. Bats


What would happen with Brazil in This ATL?Collie Kaltenbrunner 18:42, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Well, we've made it so that power is now concentrated in Asia, Africa, and SA instead of Europe, Russia, and NA. In SA, Peru is a nuclear power, superpower, etc, Gran Colombia is one, and I really think Brazil wouldn't do so bad either. They have plenty of oil/wood/other resources, and besides, my goal is to really create a Different History where pretty much everything is flip-flopped. Flag of South Korea.pngPitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 19:45, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Well, It also would depend in whether Portugal exists or not.In case of Portugal existing, I think of two possibilities;or Brazil remains as monarchy, or it divides itself in various states.Collie Kaltenbrunner 21:14, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Speaking of South America, I haven't thought of what to do with Paraguay. Maybe it won the War of the Triple Alliance, or maybe it was colonized by another country (Portugal?). Peru has Bolivia, so it's like three superpowers and then Paraguay randomly. I'm thinking it should have a coastline. Sorry this is a little off topic but we probably need to coordinate. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 21:49, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe a Rio de la Plata confederation? Fed (talk) 22:05, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

That's been done before on Historia Alternativa I believe. Maybe I should balkanize Paraguay just for laughs. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:35, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Basically every idea in ADH has been made in an alternate history wiki or forum. Fed (talk) 15:27, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

That's what I was thinking. Instead of making an article on all of them, maybe someting like "The Small States of Paraguay"? Flag of South Korea.pngPitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 14:41, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

I'll just have them win the war of the Triple Alliance, then explode into a gigantic warring state period for hundreds of years. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 14:49, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Coming back to the Brazil subject i put up the possibilities, if Portugal exists;

1 - remains a colony of Portugal until some event in which Portugal would lose its colonies (this would be possible if the Napoleonic Wars didn't happened)

2 - divided into various states (if the King João VI didn't have fled to Brazil after the French invasion of Portugal.)

3 - remains being a monarchy (if Brazil didn't had entered in the War of the Triple Alliance)

If portugal didn't existed;

1 - French colony.

2 - part French, part Dutch colony

If neither of both countries (France and Netherlands) had existed;

1 - Out of ideas.

Collie Kaltenbrunner 17:28, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Roman Empire

I would think the article should me moved to another project, as it is contradictory to mine about French Sossians even though it is an intresting nation-file. What do you guys think?

Alexanders 15:10, May 2, 2011 (UTC) I agree.... but nothing is canon yet, so not yet. Flag of South Korea.pngPitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 20:10, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

But we do have a "first come, first serve" law... Fed (talk) 20:26, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

True.... Flag of South Korea.pngPitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 20:34, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

We should make our articles cannon shouldn't we,,, this project has been going on for two months. Alexanders 01:53, May 6, 2011 (UTC)

I'd agree to cannonize the articles which are not contradicting any other earlier article. Fed (talk) 01:58, May 6, 2011 (UTC)

I propose a closer starting timeline, around the 1400s. Champa already existed by then, and I think the Majapahits did as well, which are the oldest civilization listed as current countries. If Fed doesn't mind, and if he's doing the France article, France should be more Roman-influenced due to Soissons ending relatively late. Those are my suggestions. Feel free to object. Batmanary

Yes. All Romance languages (especially French) are closer to each other and to Latin in TTL. Fed (talk) 03:19, May 6, 2011 (UTC)

Personally I prefer cake. But seriously, the POD for the Arakan is in the 1st millenium and is yet to be determined. I think the year 0 is a nice clean POD. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 03:16, May 6, 2011 (UTC)

The majority of the older articles have their PODs well after that time period, which is why I think 1400 is good.

Lets go ahead and make things Cannon! Alexanders 23:49, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

I have made the articles Cannon

I have cannoized our articles we made a vote and the verdict was to go ahead and do it now

Alexanders 15:04, May 19, 2011 (UTC)


What would happen to my country TTL? Godfrey Raphael 04:25, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Not sure. This timeline kind of went defunct awhile ago. Maybe you could restart the timeline. I would be interested to know about what you have in mind. Also, seeing you may be the expert, I would appreciate help on my own timeline, which although I haven't covered it much, has a scenario for the Philippines taking a role similar to the United States in OTL. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 05:08, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

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