Popularity Boost[]
I would think with the destruction of most major movie and tv companies, comics would explode in popularity as they would be the major visual storytelling medium.Oerwinde 07:57, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
- I would agree, once they got over the hurdle of distribution and being able to print copies. I wonder if there would have been some sort of rationing on print and ink early post-Doomsday in Australia.BrianD 17:12, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
Crisis of Infinite Earths no go[]
The DC characters would not go through the Crisis though I wonder if Doomsday was worked in the continuity instead. Mitro 15:08, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
- Mitro, I'm envisioning this as a multiverse, allowing for one world where Doomsday occurred (Earth-Prime) and other worlds where it did not (Earth-1, earth-2, etc.). That way, they could publish comics based in the "real world" and comics in worlds where the US is still around. If Metropolis and Gotham were real, they would have been hit on DD; and if Superman and Green Lantern were real, Doomsday probably never would have happened!
- One example of a Doomsday comic is Kamandi, based on the 1970s DC series written and drawn by Jack Kirby. Boy grows up in post-apocalyptic world, finds himself in a world full of talking animals, humans as savages, et al. Here, Kamandi and his uncle ride out Doomsday somewhere in America in a military installation known as "Command D"; the uncle dies, he survives, and Kamandi goes on to have adventures in post-Doomsday America. Talking animals, mutated humans abound, most of the heroes (and villains) from America are dead. He might come across a shattered invisible plane, or Captain America's shield (who knows what happened to Superman and Supergirl, and where are the GL Corps? Where is Asgard?). In Kamandi's world, most of the heroes and villains now exist in Australia, Mexico or South America. There are a few survivors, like the Hulk, and Wolverine (who may have ridden out DD while in Japan). The "non-Doomsday" comics reflect an America that may or may not be more fantasy and wishful thinking than reality. BrianD 17:12, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
- Superman and GL often go into space, so we could say they were both there and thus were not around to save the Earth from nuclear destruction. When Superman returns and sees that Louis, Jimmy and the rest of Metropolis is destroyed he becomes serious depressed over the fact that he wasn't there to save them. Retiring as Superman he returns to Smallville and helps the small survivor community there as Clark Kent (who miraculously survived Doomsday and made his way across half the continent to get back home as the story goes). Eventually some other hero might go looking for him (maybe Kamandi) and he returns as Superman.
- Batman might have survived as well. With his high tech he might have seen the missiles coming and warned enough of his friends and allies to get to the Batcave (sadly Jason Todd didn't make it). Batman and his allies form the core of a group of survivors who try to keep the peace in the area around destroyed Gotham. The Joker survived and is as crazy as ever, but the original Two-Face was killed though he has been replaced by a new one (half of his body was damaged by radiation scarring).
- One last thing: its likey that this comic company you are proposing isn't the only ones using these characters. Writers and artisits in survivor states might be drafting stories that are completely different from the ones in Australia. Mitro 18:00, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
- Even if GL was there, he likley would have only been able to save Coast City, which would then likely be the capital of the MSP or Chumash. Not 100% on its location other than California. 90% of the superheroes in the Marvel U are in New York, so with a superhero concentration like that, in the Marvel U, New York City would have survived. Wolverine it has been established can regenerate from a nuclear blast (stupid, but true), but the rest of the X-Men would be dead, except maybe Shadowcat. Magneto would survive.Oerwinde 19:32, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
- DC did a graphic novel years ago where the heroes couldn't save the earth from a nuclear war, and many of them, plus the villains, were the only ones left to repopulate the world. Superman wandered for years, having lost his powers, until he found the settlement. Things went well, then didn't go well (I don't remember the title, but Kevin Nowlan was one of the artists).
- Coast City was in the Bay Area of San Francisco, I believe. So he should have been able to save the Bay Area, which would have become the MSP capital and maybe, by providing stability in the region, helped prevent the APA from folding. Therefore there might be a United States today. At least in the comics. BrianD 05:48, January 27, 2010 (UTC)
And there would be the heroes and villians that didn't exist in "our" Marvel or DC Comics. I have some ideas (based on geography)
War Monger (Virginia): A rogue army general and arms dealer who intends to spark a world war between the SAC and the ANZC, to make a killing selling weaponry to both sides.
The Bushrangers (Australia): A vigilantee group who commonly foils the War Monger's plots.
Supersonic91 19:52, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
There would be comics with subtle political messages implanted in them. The Nordic Union and CRUSA would use Thor and Captain America for simmilar reasons. To forward their political platforms. It would make sense that, given the issues with Prussia, the new Thor would have a German arch-nemesis, and that Captain America battle evil warlords. Both Prussian King Christian and Virginian President-General Rockefeller would be painted as villainous in the requisit comics.
Supersonic91 20:03, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks Supersonic91 (and welcome to the wiki!). I would not make the War Monger a Virginian hero, as Virginia was not discovered until the last couple of years, and he could easily work for any country (or for himself). BrianD 23:31, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
- Its actually Yank. Mitro 04:35, January 27, 2010 (UTC)
- Hey Yank. In Virginia, do the comic books paint Captain America as a Red Skull-like villain? :) BrianD 05:48, January 27, 2010 (UTC)
Speaking of Wolverine, he would be in his pre-1983 yellow and blue costume as a part of the non-DD X-Men. His 'alternate' self would have made his way back to the States from Japan, fighting the Hand, ninjas, mercenaries, mutants, biker gangs, cannibals and who knows what else along the way. Maybe he would have met Kamandi and Ben Boxer; or Bruce Wayne keeping the peace in the remains of Gotham; or Magneto trying to build a mutant nation-state in Genosha. That's my nerd-out for today :) BrianD 05:48, January 27, 2010 (UTC)
I didn't type anything that said that the War Monger was a hero. His motivation is to create a major conflict so that he can earn himself a fortune. A the fact that I said that the Bushrangers frequently foil his plots should've suggested that he was a villain. He may be from Virginia, but that doesn't mean he is based in Virginia. He would probbably have a network to facilitate his goal of causing World War Four (WWIII was Doomsday).
Supersonic91 14:38, January 27, 2010 (UTC)
And there would be two versions of Captain America. There would be the very pro-CRUSA version of him, and the Virginian Version. The CRUSA version is basically a post-apocalyptic version of the normal Captain, who strives to defeat the "evil warlords" controlling former American territory. The Virginian version is a whole lot darker. He is an evil villian bent on using his powers to subvert the independant states in America, and institute his regime over the entire former United States. The Virginian Captain was at least one of the various versions of whom fought crime over the years. However, there is an accident, and he is hideously scarred (Wether in Red Skull fashion or Two-Face fashion I don't know.) and goes insane. He then calls himself General America, and then simply the General and wears either a Nazi or Soviet unifrom to show how evil he is. His former foe the Red Skull would either work with him, or find himself somewhat of a hero in still opposing him.
Supersonic91 15:14, January 27, 2010 (UTC)
I like this article[]
A little off-topic I know, but I think I'm going to enjoy nerding it out with this topic. This is the close we are going to get to fan fiction. Mitro 21:33, January 26, 2010 (UTC).
Thanks, Mitro. I just am getting started. Thoughts and suggestions welcomed. This isn't the only company in the world by far, though, and I would think that Cap, Superman, et al are being published in one form or another by several groups. BrianD 23:31, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
- This article also brings to light a bright side to the nuclear war thing. No Jeph Loeb.Oerwinde 07:59, January 27, 2010 (UTC)
Characters butterflied as a result of Doomsday, off the top of my head[]
- Deadpool
- Cable
- Booster Gold
- Tim Drake - Robin
- Conner Kent
- Linda Danvers/Matrix Supergirl
- Cassie Sandsmark - Wonder Girl
- Bart Allen - Kid Flash/Impulse
- Linda Park
- Doomsday
- The Eradicator
- Magog
- Bishop
- Kyle Rayner - Green Lantern
- Max Lord
- Oberon
- Any Legionnaire introduced after 1983
- X-Force
- The entire Image lineup
- The entire Wildstorm lineup
- Jack Knight - Starman
- Daniel - Sandman
- Death
- Courtney - Stargirl
- Barbara Gordon as Oracle
BrianD 20:51, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
More:
- Maggie Sawyer (supporting character in Superman)
- Steel (John Henry Irons)
- Blue Beetle (Ted Kord, at least as everyone now knows him, although a version of him existed before the Crisis was published in OTL)
- Hank Henshaw
- Renee Montoya
- Kate Kane as Batwoman (although Kathy Kane, her pre-Crisis counterpart, would be usable)
- Jean-Paul Valley/Azrael
- The Hood (Marvel Comics)
- Daken
- The mythology of Themyscria created after the Crisis in the Wonder Woman comics
- Mia Dearden (Speedy)
- Connor Hawke (Green Arrow)
- Jason Rusch (Firestorm)
- Helena Bertinelli (Huntress)
- Stephanie Brown (Spoiler/Batgirl)
BrianD 01:18, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
Stan Lee?[]
Whatever happened to Stan "The man" Lee? (Althistoryluver99 23:10, September 28, 2010 (UTC))
He apparently lived in Hollywood in 1983 - he's gone.
Lordganon 00:15, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
I think there sohould a group of superheroes visually inspired by the great figures of comics (Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, etc) as a tibute and memorial.
Yankovic270 03:22, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
Anyone still editing this article? []
If not, can I adopt this page for editing? Under the Editorial Guidelines, it says to ask, and then wait a week to see if anyone responds. GryffindorKrypton (talk) 21:01, March 28, 2020 (UTC)GryffindorKrypton
Since there don't seem to be any objections to my request, I will adopt the article. My plan is to add some details on the in-universe comic book fiction (including possible stories about the various superheroes dealing with survivor's guilt over Doomsday) and talk about the effects that American Comics could have on the larger post-DD culture. GryffindorKrypton (talk) 03:17, April 11, 2020 (UTC)GryffindorKrypton