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What is with the name change? Why was Byrdia dropped? Mitro 15:30, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I didn't mean to get too carried away. I began to think that "Byrida" was too narcissistic, and naming the area after his wife (which is the actual name for the region in OTL) was more honorable. I totally forgot that I renamed the page. You are the contributor of this page, and I should have brought it up with you first. What do you think? --NuclearVacuum 15:38, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
Well technically the territory was not named Byrdia until after Bryd left as governor-general. The people voted to rename the country. If that is acceptable to you we can return to Byrdia. Mitro 15:40, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
Well I truly am sorry about getting carried away like that. You see, I was completing the final draft of the map of Antarctica, and thought about the names and such, so you can see how it came out. But you are the contributor and admin of this nation, do as you wish, and I will remember to talk to you about any further expansions or changes. --NuclearVacuum 15:46, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Citizenship in a US territory

The artilce states that the military draft sent soldiers to Vietnam from Byrdia who were " barred from the same rights as the American settlers." I am wondering by what US law these nationals were being treated as second-class citizens. From my understanding, the military government of the Philippines did not "draft" its nationals into service, but rather offered them full US citizenship after serving instead.

It looks to me that US law during this period was setting precedent for better treatment of nationals in the territories. Starting in 1917 nationals were given citizenship in Puerto Rico. Then came the USVI in 1927, followed by the Philippines in 1935). Nationals in Guam had only to wait from 1946 to 1950 to receive citizenship. Why would Byrdia be any different? In my opinion there could definitely be an independence movement - a successful one in fact - without such imperialism on the part of the Americans.

That's just some of my thoughts. I don't want to squash the enthusiasm here, but I do think that America needs a strong presence near the South Pole even if it is not a icy "wasteland." SouthWriter 18:52, September 5, 2010 (UTC)


Hmm...why not retain or set up the Byrdian National Guard? They would have NG units in Byrdia, right?General tiu 14:18, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Russian/Ognian Civil Rights

How about this for a brief overview of the Byrdian Civil Rights/Independence movement:

  • 1922-1945 - Barely any anti-American sentiment at all. Most Russians were thankful that the Americans had kept the Communists and the KLA from taking over the region.
  • 1945-1963 - After World War II, dissatisfied Russians and Ognians occasionally riot, and clash with the police/military. However, these riots are rare, and the Russians and Ognians often riot against eachother. There is no organized Civil Rights Movement in this period.
  • 1963-1975 - This period mostly resembles the African American Civil Rights movement at roughly the same time. Partly violent, partly non-violent. During the Vietnam War, many Russian and Ognian groups come together and organize the Byrdia Freedom Alliance (which you mentioned in the article). Some less Radical members try to align the BFA with the American anti-War movement, to increase publicity and sympathy for the party. Many "hippies" and other anti-War groups in the continental US announce support for the BFA. By the end of this period, most of the legal segregation has ended, but Russians and Ognians still suffer prejudice from some authorities.
  • 1975-1986 - Mostly political action, as BFA members start to become elected across the territory. Campaigns for independence and full equality, which face opposition from Americans and rival groups within the Civil Rights Movement. The movement would likely end with Byrdian independence.

- Mister Sheen 13:23, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

I like it! How does Pagovich fit in there? Mitro 20:49, December 13, 2010 (UTC)
I saw him as a Mandela-like figure, who was a violent RCA member in his youth, and gradually became more moderate. He becomes a major figure in the late 60s, but leaves the RCA and joins the Freedom Alliance in 1970. That's basically the start of his 'legitimate' career as a mostly non-violent protestor; and in 1978, he wins a seat in the General Assembly for a Russian-majority area (I put Stonington, but I don't know if you had any ideas about which areas are Russian-predominant).
He gets into the Antarctic Assembly in 1982, pretty much the same way he got into the Byrdian GA – by relying on the Russian vote – but when he's in the Antarctic Assembly, he starts to shift his positions. He leaves his party and becomes an independent, and starts working with the other AA delegates to get foreign support for Byrdian independence. I had an idea for one of the other Byrdian delegates at the time to be an old-fashioned American statesman (who is expected to be Pagovich's greatest opponent), who works together with Pagovich to find some common ground – a crucial part of the independence movement.
He wins the Director-General's seat quite easily, as he has become a popular and respected member of the Assembly, and Byrdia wins independence early into his tenure. He helps bring Bellinsgauzenia into the Assembly, and probably plays some part in the Green Revolution (though I haven't thought that part out yet). After his term is over, he joins the Green Party, and considers running for the Byrdian Presidency, but ultimately decides to go into semi-retirement from Politics (he might become a College Professor for a while at this point).
You probably didn't want to read all that right now, sorry :P - Mister Sheen 23:05, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

Rollback of 8/23/11

An anon greatly increased the population with no apparent reason. Reverted to earlier population. SouthWriter 19:33, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

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