Talk:Celtic Rules

Without the roman empire and especialy christianity, europe would probably not experience any large feeling of unity. This might lead them open to agression from outside the continent.--Marcpasquin 16:46, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Sounds very possible. --Ђорђе Д. Божовић (?) 13:29, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

If you would like any information on how a Celtic Europe could have developed look at the development of the Gaelic Irish tribes from the fall of Rome to the Plantation(1450-1550). They were slightly influenced by Norman culture, but not much. They are as close as you could probably get to your alternate history in the real world.

Thank you. --Ђорђе Д. Божовић (?) 15:27, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

List of nations

It seems that this list of nations include many nations and events too similar to OTL much later than the POD.

Would the Russians had arised? Would Arabian expansionsim had arisen (with or without Islam)?

It is better to work from one precis POD (v.g. first great defeat of the Celtics not happening) and then analyze when and how this event would have affected each part of the World.

You say no Christianity. This might be either that butterflies prevented Jesus, or prevented Paul, or prevented Rome being involved in Judea (v.g. a much smaller Roman Republic --> No Roman Empire)...

A smaller Roman Republic might mean no Hispania, and therefor no Visigothic Iberia, and no kingdoms of Aragon and Catalonia.

Regards.

--Carlos Th (talk) 14:12, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

The thing is that all these nations are actually Celtic (following the main POD for this althistory) - except those that are Germanic, Romance or Slavonic in Northern, Southern, and Eastern Europe, respectively (such as Germany, Latium or Russia). I just didn't know how to name them (other than inventing some kind of a Celtic name myself), so I used names of countries which approximately covered the territory of these nations in OTL. Thus, Aragon and Catalonia, for example, are actually Celtic nations here - they just have OTL names. --Ђорђе Д. Божовић (?) 16:47, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Insignias

Without the christian influence, some of the flags and arms used by the nations would be quite different. England, for exemple wouldn't use a saint's cross. You should look into was celtic nation might have used. --Marcpasquin 17:20, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I knew that, but I used OTL insignia for the same reason as with the names of countries. If you have any flag or coat of arms to suggest, I would appreciate it. --Ђорђе Д. Божовић (?) 17:44, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

The only 3 I can think of off the top of my head are a red dragon for wales, a gold dragon for britain (wessex ?) and a boar for Gaul. --Marcpasquin 17:54, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Aha. Good, thank you. I shall use them on the flags. :) --Ђорђе Д. Божовић (?) 17:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Although not entirely accurate from an historical point of view, you might also design national tartan for each nation instead of a Coat of Arms.--Marcpasquin 18:07, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

You mean tartans similar to those of the Scottish clans? Well, I must admit it might look interesting. --Ђорђе Д. Божовић (?) 18:18, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes such as these examples: --Marcpasquin 18:48, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

wales

brittony

Map of Europe

That European map should be changed, mind you. Many of those nations wouln't exist *there*. This map should help for Gaul, for example. --Sikulu 10:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

P.S.This map could also be of help. --Sikulu 10:35, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I have drawn the borders of these countries all by myself - I imagined a Celtic Europe and I divided it into imaginary countries. However, not knowing how to name them, as there were no such Celtic countries *here*, I used the names of the countries that existed in those areas *here*. Thus, for example, Andalusia is actually a Celtic nation *there*, but it carries an OTL name because it approximately covers the territory of the "real" historical Andalusia from *here*. Thanks for the maps anyway. ;) --Ђорђе Д. Божовић (?) 15:20, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Andalusia is named after a Germanic tribe, the Vandals, not a Celtic one. --Sikulu 10:10, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry, English is not my native language so I suppose it might have happened that you couldn't understand what I was trying to explain. You see, there was never a Celtic country in what is today Andalusia. But I imagined that the Celts have not been suppressed by other peoples (Vandals being one of them), and that they have created numerous Celtic countries throughout Europe. However, not knowing how to name these imaginary countries, I used the names of the countries that actually did exist in the real history (OTL). Thus, Andalusia is name of a Celtic country *there*, no matter of the OTL etymology and usage it had *here*. --Ђорђе Д. Божовић (?) 14:43, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Celts did live in Iberia. That's why they were called "Celtiberians". Besides, what makes you think that the Vandals would end up there in ATL too? Besides being a Celt (well, Briton, anyway) myself, I have done reserch into this area myself. --Sikulu 10:16, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Forget about the Vandals! :) You see, Celts did live in Iberia, but they did not establish a country there. In this althistory there are Celtic countries all over Europe. Not having the proper Celtic names, I used the names from OTL to name them, despite of the etymologies of those names. Hey, I am of Celtic (well, half-Celtic) origin too. ;) --Ђорђе Д. Божовић (?) 13:05, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

If you want something in southern Iberia, Carthage is a good choice. (They had colonies there.) --Sikulu 09:39, 4 June 2007 (UTC)