Unaffected by the strikes and fallout, true enough. But the loss of outside aid, trade, food imports, etc.... are going to cause massive problems here, as in the rest of Africa. Lordganon 21:17, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

I know im going to add that information after finishing some additional research. -Brad

There were no crackdowns in Chad. Have a look at the article on the Chad-Libya War for some info on the situation there. Nor did fighting in Sudan really get going for a few years after DD. Have a look at the Sudan articles about that. Lordganon 07:11, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

According to South Sudan article the fighting in Sudan had started over a month ago, which would have encouraged some people to flee the Southern area of the country, this would have created a significant swell in the eastern parts of the Central African Republic, especially since this area of the country has a very low population density. Chad and Libyan war article only gives history of fighting in Northern part of the country, according to historical timeline sources Habre would at times engage in ethnic cleansings of Southern ethnic groups such as the Sara, such tensions that could have been agrevated by Doomsday. Brad30977 12:59, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

The Sudanese Civil War had by 1983 been going on and off for decades. Even after DD, the fighting was pretty minor. Nor has there been all that many refugees from fighting in that area, until the last couple decades otl - well after the PoD.

Atl, there's no such issues with refugees until at earliest some point in 1987, when the Sudanese government collapses. There is no refugees arriving in this location.

If you think that the otl historical timeline is going to happen here, you're very wrong. Especially in the context that if he tried that, he'd be out of power within days. Just that one group is 30% of the population of the Chad government. That would be literally insane. And that man definitely is not.

So, no refugees from those corners.

Lordganon 14:37, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Here are some quotes from the Minority Rights Group International

"Minority groups include Southerners est 4.5 million (45%). (There are no reliable figures). Although numerically Chad's biggest group, they have been dominated by Arab northerners under the presidencies of Hissène Habré and Idriss Déby."

"The third zone is the south. Southerners have lacked effective state power, and borne the brunt of much, but by no means all, of the violence and intimidation by armed groups."

"Habré became prime minister but his forces deposed Maboum the next year, sparking a chaotic scramble for power involving 11 warlord factions. Attempts by African mediators to forge a government of national unity faltered amid bouts of conflict, but a Libyan-backed northerner, Goukouni Oueddei maintained a tenuous hold on power until overthrown by Habré’s army in June 1982. Habré formed a ‘Documentation and Security Directorate’ (DSD) to target and execute his opponents, as well as southern ethnic groups seen as hostile to his regime. "

"Habré’s government fractured along ethnic lines in the late 1980s, with General Idriss Déby forming a rebel group based in the neighbouring Sudanese area of Darfur, home of many Zaghawa, who are closely related to his Bidéyat people. Backed by Libya and unopposed by French troops still stationed in Chad, Déby took the capital of N’Djamena in 1990. In retaliation for Déby’s defection, Habré brutally targeted Zaghawa civilians in 1989 before fleeing to Senegal ahead of Déby’s forces."

Here is the link if you would like to see for yourself, Refugee movements from Chad are most certainly valid.http://www.minorityrights.org/?lid=4901


I may not have understood this page. Is it about the breakdown of the CAR, or is the CAR still there? I wanted to develop a page about a remanant, but if its the latter... GunsnadGlory 01:50, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

...You've kinda failed to get the point, Guns.

Chad is split in two.

You have the south, and the north.

The Arabs that caused the otl problems you are quoting are a different nation entirely.

So, there's basically no unrest here. And thus, no refugees. This is not otl.

And, the CAR appears to have remained intact.

Lordganon 02:07, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

? Only the last point pertains to what I was saying. The rest was some user who didn't sign off.

Who's the author? GunsnadGlory 18:23, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Beg pardon, Guns. That was the author, Brad, who did that. Not that it was at all relevant to the article, lol. Lordganon 00:17, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Have a look at my page Chad Southern Chad has been peaceful for a while. The south received refugees from northern chad but they didn't go into the CAR--Smoggy80 19:18, February 14, 2012 (UTC)


Fed, myself, and Imp are planning something big in this area, and we would like the CAR to be involved. May I adopt this page or failing that get permission to use it?

        Centriflag.jpeg   Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo!  23:21, February 9, 2014 (UTC)

Near by nation

See my new Equatorial African Republic (1983: Doomsday). I will work on it for a week and then see if you think it's OK to use it.Whipsnade (talk) 23:24, July 19, 2014 (UTC)


I'd like to adopt this page. Mscoree (talk) 13:18, September 1, 2014 (UTC)

As the current owner, I'm afraid I'm going to decline that. I've been unable to post over the last 6 months much but now that I'm back up to speed (and no longer distracted by map games) I intend to do a lot more work on DD. Especially in Africa.

Sorry, Ms.

        Centriflag.jpeg   Tonight the foxes will hunt the hounds!  02:10, September 2, 2014 (UTC)

Oh darn, and here I was thinking I'd finally get an adoption through. Anyway I could possibly help you with the article? Mscoree (talk) 02:14, September 2, 2014 (UTC)

Maybe. I'm still working things out, but I'll let you know. I'm thinking militaristic, with a Muslim North and a Christian South.

        Centriflag.jpeg   Tonight the foxes will hunt the hounds!  02:32, September 2, 2014 (UTC)


Neighboring countries - won't need any "help" getting in contact. And would sure as heck occur before that.

That Congo Crisis bit still is not in the least bit plausible either.

Lordganon (talk) 10:30, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

Damn, I thought I got rid of all those sections. Guess I missed a few.

It has changed from what it previously was. The CAR will merely be observing, and will not get involved at any point- so it will become a safe haven for refugees, thus causing a few issues. By the way, why wouldn't there be trading routes between these nations? The old roads would have overgrowth, but nothing will grow in 30 years that can't be cleared easily, and they'd have been in use for 10-15 years, too...

Speaking of which, I need to get to work on that too.

        Centriflag.jpeg   Tonight the foxes will hunt the hounds!  21:58, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

These nations don't trade in those areas today otl. Sure as heck won't be atl. Lordganon (talk) 15:22, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

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