Talk: Dakota (1983: Doomsday)

Well Pierre and Sioux Falls are both tertiary targets. Sioux Falls does have an air national guard base. Pierre is especially problemetic since it is close enough to those missile silos that it is going to get huge dose of fallout from those attacks. IMHO this nation should be centered at Aberdeen. Mitro 02:41, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Now I know you're going to tell me it's dystopia and everyone has to die & so on but do you really think the soviets are going to target every last little national guard AFB in the continental United States especially when the events of Doomsday happened so fast IMHO? As for Pierre I'm going to do a little more research and get back to you on that. --GOPZACK 03:01, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

You know Zack, there was probably a way to reply to me without the attitude. First, maybe you should read again what I said about Fargo. Second, yes all you said is true and since we are talking about a soviet nuclear arsenal that was over ten thousand, can we really believe that they kept thousands of working missiles pointing at nothing?

Also on a related note, I'm concerned about having such a large state next to Lakotah. I think it raises questions about how Lakotah was able to move so deep into the soon to be NAU territory during the war without having to worry about being attack from Dakota. Mitro 03:16, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

I re-read what you said about Fargo just to confirm what I already knew. You believed that the national guard base in Fargo was not enough for it to get nuked. If I am interpreting what you are saying in that discussion correctly and the way in which you have applied it here then the Nation Guard AFb in Sioux Falls is not an issue then which begs the question, why did you bring it up to begin with?

To your Lakota point I would say this, the areas in Eastern South Dakota being thrown into chaos with the events of Doomsday perhaps dealing with some unruly natives to their west wasn't a top priority and the Lakota people probably came to realize that. Also how in the name of Sam Hill did Lakota expand so quickly into an area you just said was clouded with fallout and radiation and all the stuff?

I'm not saying this to give off an "attitude" or what have you I just see a few contradictions I would like to see cleared up. That is all. --GOPZACK 03:44, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Because Zack I am not entirely convinced it would not be hit, even though I side with the skip point. The fact of the matter is there has been no discussion on the issue so I bring it up until I see that a consensus has been reached.

As for the Lakotah they expanded west, not east. And remember the prevailing wind patterns would push the fallout eastward as well. As for the war with the communities out west, well sometimes history is full of wars that were supposed to be "short and victorious". Like pre-WWI Germany and how they viewed the growing Russian empire, the Lakotah realized they only had a little time to be able to defeat the westerners before they got their act together, so they took their shot and failed. Most of the ATL Lakotah settlements are in the southwest portion of the state anyway, such as Pine Ridge and Rosebud. Cheyene River is likely unlivable, but there are also smaller settlements/reservations along western North and South Dakota.

As for the map of Lakotah, well I didn't make that Oer did. My guess is much of Lakotah's eastern territory is more claimed then control, similar to how Kentucky and other nations are set up. I always assumed the same thing for the states of PUSA, with much of the land they control is really just claimed territory. Mitro 04:00, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Mitro. Zack has asked for my help in building up the Dakota scenario. I see your point about moving the capital of the combined state to Aberdeen. Both state capitals are on the border with the Lakota state, and it would probably be a good idea to move them both, even if Pierre was not a target. The bombardment of the silos in South Dakota (Lakota territory), would pose a problem for both the Lakota and the Dakotans. However, I don't see the Dakotans being out for blood against the Lakota. They are out to save their farms from the disaster that has befallen the continent. Every governor/president is not as much concerned with acquiring land as Wyoming seems to have been.

As for the borders of Lakota, for the most part it is the natural border of the Missouri river to the east. Without provocation, they probably could live with that. Most of the populaton in the Dakotas was east of the river anyway. SouthWriter 04:33, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

A New Composite Flag

I have made a new flag that reflects the re-union of the divided states after almost a hundred years. Since the provisional

government was formed so soon after Doomsday, and way before half the combined states were ripped away by other struggling states, I'm figuring that the Flag to combine the two should have both of the great seals. As a "new" motto, the provisional government can use a combination of the two states' mottos. It seems appropriate: Liberty and Union Under God.

Anyway, here is the flag. The separate Dakotas may chose to save their old flags "just in case," but this flag will do for the time being.SouthWriter 02:29, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

South this is fantastic, thank you so much for making it. :) I hate to give you another task but I would like to employ your populations determining skills for the Provisional Government of The Dakotas. GOPZACK 03:20, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

It will take a little time -- It will be like taking a jigsaw puzzle and putting together only half of it. But sure. We need for this to be as real as possible.

Off subject, but I just turned my kid brother (he just turned 50!) on to the althistory wikia. He says he wants to be stuck in the middle of Kentucky. That time in his life was wild and he may have been with a band of magazine salesmen at the time. Dad had to go get him when they abandoned him! SouthWriter 03:40, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm thats very interesting. he may want to checkout the Honorary Citizens page. What does he mean when he says "he wants to be stuck in the middle of Kentucky"? --GOPZACK 03:31, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Not quite sure. I think of all the places he was on his misadventure, that stuck out. Or maybe that was where he was abandoned. I'm thinking of putting my father, who died recently, on the "Honorary Citizens" page. He figures prominently in the beginning of Jimmy Carter's rebuilding of south Georgia (on my Georgia page, developing story).SouthWriter 04:45, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Suggested morphing of two seals into one.

UPDATE: I have been thinking, this "provisional" government has gone on for over 25 years! I made the flag to the right by roughly morphing the seals together. It needs to be cleaned up a bit, but what do you think? We could write in the change of flag and official merger of the state to sometime in 2010.

Another great flag South! I agree with you, the plan was for the Dakotas to join with the "new" USA anyway. We should get on that soon. Sorry I haven't been around much, life gets in the way unfortunately. Zack 20:25, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

Population and Area

Okay, I did it -- two birds with one stone. Using 1980 figures for all the counties included +/- population change for 3 years, and then assuming refugees being added, I get a 1983 population. Then, figuring 1% per year increase, I come up with a population of about 425,000. The same articles gave the area of the counties, so I added them up. That's 65,452 mi² (a little smaller than North Dakota in OTL).

My, how time flies when you're having fun. It's 2:30 am here. Good night y'all. SouthWriter 06:27, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Work

The page has no info on it.184.77.214.103 19:18, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Very astute observation, Anonymous user. That is what the word "stub" means. Zack and I got destracted and hope to get back to the project one day. If, though, you are interested in filling out the article, just give us some suggestions. We're flexable. SouthWriter 20:33, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

The Anonymous User is "Ocelot" the spammer. Don't listen to a word he says. Once, he made a nation called "Republic of Full Man!" Arstarpool 20:38, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Alex. Good to have a constable looking out for us. SouthWriter 20:41, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Right you are Arstar, he marked this page as a proposal again and is still pushing the longer rejected North Bend. I suppose he came off his latest ban. --GOPZACK 20:44, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I'm sorry. The republic was actually called Provational Republic of Pullman. Babooska is the only word in the entire article... Arstarpool 20:45, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Fleshing out the Dakotas

I decided to flesh out the article a little bit. I assembled the following list of presidents and plan on retroactively writing in the reunion of the Dakotas with the United States as of July 4, 2011. The present "President" and "Vice President" will assume the titles of Governor and Lieutenant Governor. Here is the list of Presidents:

1. William John "Bill" Janklow (born September 13, 1939) served as the 25th Attorney General of South Dakota, before being elected as South Dakota's 27th and and last governor. First lected in 1978, he was re-elected in 1982, thus serving in Pierre when the silos in and around Minot were bombed on the evening of September 25, 1983. In 1984 he would be selected to be the first leader of the provisional government of what was essentially an independent nation. His past dealings with the Lakotah had been strained, causing the Janlow administration to discourage a return to the western part of the states for several years. In 1988 he would be re-elected president since under the new constitution of the two-state confederation, his first term as SD governor was not considered consecutive with the term that became his Dakoatan presidency.
2. Edward Thomas "Ed" Schaffer (born August 8, 1946), business man from Bismarck, was elected in 1992 and served until 2000 as the second President of the Dakotas. During his administration border skirmishes with the Lakotah nation brought the struggling provisional government to the realization that the former residents of the states had rebelled and begun fighting other Americans in the plains to the west. The
3. John "Jack" Dalrymple (b Oct. 16, 1948) Caselton wheat farmer, elected to Dakotas House of Representatives in 1984. Served as Vice President of the independent "Provisional Government" for two terms (1992-2000) serving with President Ed Schafer. He succeeded Schaffer, being elected in 2000 and serving until 2008.
4. Marion Michael "Mike" Rounds (born October 24, 1954) served in the Dakotan Senate from 2001 through 2008, being elected to the office of President in 2008 and is now the governor of the new state of "the Dakotas" which joined the United States of America in 2011. He would thus be the last "president" of the Dakotas as the state returned to the status of an associated state of the United States on July 4th. As such, it became the tenth state of the revived United States of America.

Janklow's sorted past with the Lakotah, which led to a lawsuit by the American Indian Movement in OTL, suits as an appropriate reason why the new provisional government was estranged from the rebellion in the west. As the new government sought to hold things together from 1984 through 1992, they were concentrated along the eastern border of the states, not aware of the problems on the other side of the Missouri River.

Zack, I will try to put together a present day nation profile based on OTL and what we have in the info box. However, I will appreciate any input you can give me. SouthWriter 03:42, December 18, 2011 (UTC)