Advice[]
That two of them would be from entirely different areas like that, especially Lancaster, makes little to no sense, Guns. Lordganon 20:02, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
Is that fine? GunsnadGlory 22:53, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
That statement was meant to include the guy from the ANZC as well, Guns. Just wouldn't happen. Lordganon 12:08, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
??? Wouldn't some immigration occur?GunsnadGlory 19:18, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
Virtually none, in that direction. Lordganon 21:23, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
The point is, the whole band is made up of real people from our time line that were born AFTER DD. None of these musicians would exist. Analogues of them might, but not the same people. A lot goes in to a person being who he or she is. Their parents, if they survived, would produce children, no doubt, but probability rules against them being the exact same individuals. Then you have the influences that bring musicians into public display. What were these in New Britain? If the children are of parents that are musicians, then the alternate reality children can come together to form a band. Better yet, though, make up some young people that grew up in New Britain and/or ANZC and then have at the creation of the ALT band. SouthWriter 21:26, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
What what what? I just made up those names in my head. Any resemblance to people, living or decesed or only ever alive in another TL, is purely coincidental... GunsnadGlory 19:16, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, the only one of those names with any connection to a musician is Richard Waters, and I sincerely doubt that he has anything to do with Roger Waters of Pink Floyd. Lordganon 23:52, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, my mistake. That being the case, unlikely unions of musicians by 2006 would not be that unuusal. Especially if they were famous enough to be known internationally. Lancaster may be a little out of the way, but I can see how a member from ANZC might join. I do see where Pink Floyd apparently had some influence on the group, so who knows Richard may be related to Roger. Go for it, Gun. SouthWriter 02:17, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
For Richard Waters, I'm afraid I shamelessly combined two members of the band Pink Floyd (Richard Wright and Roger Waters). They're my favorite band, after all. For a second I thoufght you were talking about the Dutch heavy metal band of the same name. I only found out about them the day after I created the band.
Never was a fan of metal. GunsnadGlory 19:18, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
Simply put, bands are almost always from a single geographical area. And if a member is an outlier, it's basically that they joined later on, as a replacement. Makes no sense for one of these guys to be from the ANZC, at all. Lordganon 00:38, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Now, that works, Guns. Much better. Lordganon 04:36, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
Guns, a tour of inland North America makes no sense. Just not really feasible. Britain.... makes more sense, but not by that much. Their base is in the south, and, truth be told, them having any real popularity north of the equator - barring in the Pacific - really doesn't make any sense. Heck, you've just copied the Anglosphere map onto this page for where they are popular. That makes no sense, at all. Think about it, Guns. Lordganon 21:43, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
Ok, but some ... actually, I'll keep my description of him in my head. An Admin called Sactage banned me from wikia for vandalizing a wiki I'VE NEVER BEEN ON. I sent something through to wikia staff, but thats going to take a few days... so till then, I'm not going to really be able to edit much. ~~Guns
Scratch that, I had a little conversation w/ Sactage and he's unbanned me. Or maybe Wikia staff got my message. GunsnadGlory 18:19, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
Music Influences and Aspects[]
Gun, I must admit I am both impressed and intrigued. What influences did you yourself draw upon to create the vision of the Hangman, the Locksmith and the Bombmaker? From the list of song titles we get a good idea of the philosophy behind the band as well. It seems that there is a theme of both tempting fate and resisting it.
I am wondering if there is any religious influence (good or bad) that you imagine might have moved these musicians in the direction they have gone. I am just curious, of course, and not suggesting that anything is necessary along those lines. SouthWriter 17:02, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
Umm...
Actually, I'm not sure. I suppose that for Avakim, and in the beginning Watson and Wilden too, were in a sense doing so. I don't think they would have seen it as religious, but it would have kinda been the founding of a 'religion', in that sense. I didn't see any when I wrote it but it is very possible. GunsnadGlory 19:03, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
An Anarcho-Punk in King Reagan's Court[]
What in the world? Do you think that such a message would make this band popular in the Angloshere? It might fly in the SAC, but I doubt it. Even as a fantasy, this anti-war propoganda blaming Reagan over a presumed peace-loving Soviet Union (check out what the Siberians were doing in 2006!) would be hardly the kind of thing upon which to build a following. Given the make-up of the band, I can see where they might make the album, but I don't see it being all that popular. The USA and even the APA were long past when the band began, so I am not sure if even projecting George Bush onto Ronald Reagan (Bush having been the only leader of the APA in its history) would be taken seriously.
I admit, the genre of "Anarcho-Punk" is not familiar to me, but the whole idea that the band would be good enough to actually make their message "popular" is a stretch in my opinion. If the young people of the 2000's in New Britain were listening to and buying this sort of stuff, I'd think that their parents (who had survived Doomsday and made their life possible) would be having a lot of problems with them. This sort of stuff, in fact, would indicate a social movement that will have dire consequences as these young people move into the next decade. I can see where this would add quite some spice to the time line -- both with the movement and the reaction to it.
I guess what I'm saying is, this album's theme shows a dark side of New Britain's youth which may prove much more significant than any of us are willing to work around. You need to look at the world to which this band is playing and see if these concepts would indeed be popular. I am sure that the anti-war movement would be "alive and well" in these years leading to the formation of the League of Nations, but would the message of this album help that movement?
Again, this is just my opinion. I can see how this could be possible, but I'm wondering if it is probable. Thanks for reading this. Best wishes on continuing to develop this article. SouthWriter 22:16, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
Have to agree with him, somewhat. Tone it down a bit, and remember what the powers were doing at the time, atl. Lordganon 00:23, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
It's supposed to be the song that made Detonation famous, not popular. It deliberately antagonized the older generations (and a lot of the younger one) so that they would sit up and take notice. It's SUPPOSED to be antagonizing. Avakim was a hard core. He wanted people to notice, he wanted to provoke. He suceeded. He's part of a movement which is essentially nihlism. Then Watson took over and made the band popular, but toned down it's message. GunsnadGlory 01:20, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
But.... I'll change it to Andropov, with Reagan being the kindly old man and not nuking. GunsnadGlory 18:41, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
>Bangs head on desk<
I'm completely out of ideas, but I don't really want to put it up for adoption because I don't want what I already have to be changed entirely. If either of you two want it, have fun. If not, I'll finish in like a month.GunsnadGlory 16:21, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
No problem, man. It's looking good. It's been four weeks and you've worked hard. I'm all for graduating it, at least as a stub. If not, it can stay as a proposal in the meantime. I know I certainly would not be able to think like a anarcho-punk musician! SouthWriter 19:51, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
Guns, if you're up for graduating, go ahead and ask. Past that, it's more than fine for it to stay as is until you feel like working on it. Lordganon 22:37, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for my absence, I've been in Bangkok for the past week.
In my stay, I got a few more ideas, so I'll no doubt finish soon.
And the term Anarcho-punk was coined by Conor Kostick in his book Saga, a kind of rock music with the same message as metal but a little less scream-o.
~~Guns
`Avakim's death[]
I'm wondering a few things. First, would the man be out rockclimbing alone? Would not a buddy system best in such a risky sport? If he was not alone, then there would a witness and no one will be suspecting band members. However, what was keeping the guy in the band if no one liked him. Was it his money or connections in high places? Just wondering. SouthWriter 22:12, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
It wasn't that no one liked him, they just wanted a change in leadership, or at least a toning down of his radicalism. He was somewhat the face of the band, and friends with all of them.
Idk on the rock climbing part. Probably, they were just wondering if someone tampered with his equipment. Or maybe they all died, him and his buddy.