Talk:American Alliance (1983: Doomsday)

Potential allies

With you developing the scenario for the liberation of Jackson, my thoughts are that it could become the second member to be added to the Dixie Alliance/Southern Free Trade Pact, with the first being Portland. I have no issue with Portland joining the Dixie Alliance; given the LoN's blessing, and Virginia's help in the region, plus Portland's previous history with Cave City. Portland would have no problem deciding to join this group. And, over time, with LoN/Dixie help, Portland could become the capital of a revived state/republic of Tennessee.

Re: the other survivor states in the south: it makes the most sense for the survivor states in the south to either be independent or join up with a Dixie Alliance. I can only speak for the ones I've created. I don't know that East Tennessee would be jumping to reform Tennessee (given the many years it's been on its own) but it's not opposed to such a thing either. Blue Ridge and East Tennessee are very open to membership, and would prefer that all states join one alliance rather than have a dozen of them in the region. I don't know if distance would lessen the viability of Hattiesburg, Natchez, and Louisiana, but then again Mississippi and Louisiana were U.S. states in an era where the engine had not yet been invented.

One thing I would like to see with the Dixie Alliance is how such a political alliance works in a post-nuclear war world. Defense, trade, military, economic, cultural.

Another issue I want to raise is with the name: I don't see a problem with, though I think in TTL some people would have a problem with it. Understand that Dixie, for some people, in the 1980s was synonymous with the Confederacy, racism and slavery. For many people (all white), Dixie was not synonymous with racism and slavery, but as a form of southern culture and southern pride. The last time Yank and I argued over Dixie, I missed this point that he was trying to make.

Finally, I believe Virginia and Kentucky would be thinking ahead, not just militarily, but politically....who are their neighbors? What about the LoN? What happens if the Islamic Republic of Anderson requests membership? Lots of possibilities here. Good job on establishing the foundations, and keep up the good work. BrianD 19:40, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

I can say that if the Islamic Republic of Anderson would request membership, they would be eagerly accepted. This is because the request itself shows the current members that the citizens of Anderson are eager to pursue peaceful relations with their neighbors.

Yankovic270 23:00, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Raven Rock Mountain

Really, this is their HQ? Not one of the capitals or major cities, or at least a base in the interior of the member states, but a former American base on the outskirts of their territory. Also the Raven Rock Mountain Complex is too likely to be a nuclear target that all that would be left of the area would be irradiated ruins. There has to be a more logical place for the HQ of the Dixie Alliance. Mitro 19:11, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Then do you have any suggestions on an alternate HQ? I am in the middle of searching for a suitable abandoned structure in West Virginia. Yankovic270 19:29, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

hang on here lets not abandon the Raven Rock Mountain out here. Let's not forget that the The Greenbrier Hotel and the Mount Weather Emergency Operations Center survived for Reagan & Bush to seek refuge in. Why not Raven Rock as well?--GOPZACK 21:23, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Even if it did survive it seems odd that the HQ for a military alliance would be on the frontier of one of the members. It would be like NATO putting their HQ at Nome, Alaska. Besides, The Greenbrier was likely unknown to the Soviet Union, though I can't say the same for Mount Weather. Either way the theme of the TL is a dystopia and since there are so many other likely locations for the HQ, I just don't see a reason for a picking a place that was a potential nuclear target. Mitro 21:32, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Oh I think enough people have been slaughtered to give this TL the distinction of "dystopia". Mount weather was known to the soviets because the american media reported on it in 1978 after the crash of flight 514 in the area. Yet it got off scott free in terms of nuclear destruction. Sure the location is a tad obscure but that makes it good in a way. It keeps the location somewhat secret from other nations. --GOPZACK 21:45, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Even then Mount Weather has been a part of canon for so long that to change it now would upset to many articles. This is the same reason why the Nimitz still exists in this ATL. With Raven Rock we can prevent those issues by avoiding the problem from the beginning. It is a potential target and IMO would be nuked. If not it would most likely be in a state of decay when it was rediscovered by Dixie Alliance forces. Why spend the money and manpower rebuilding a run down base out on the frontier when you can use a pre-existing one settled nicely in your own territory? Also lets look at the HQ location for some OTL alliances. NATO uses Brussels. The Warsaw Pact didn't even have a de jure HQ. The CSTO is located in Moscow. I guess what I am saying is that it is unlikely that Kentucky, Virginia and the other DA members would agree to put their HQ on the frontier of Virginia. Mitro 21:56, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

There's propaganda advantages as well: Virginia likely would not be allies with the American Provisional Administration were it still existing in this timeline. Virginia can state that Bush abandoned the region, but Virginia and Kentucky are there. Bush left as a coward, the 101st Airborne came and built a civilization. Yada yada yada. The Greenbrier is now a symbol of not a failed organization, but a strong organization just getting off the ground whose glory days are ahead of it. BrianD 22:48, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Potential Enemies

Would the North American Union be a potential enemy to the Dixie Alliance since Virginia is balking at the idea of the United States coming back???

The NAU is on the other side of the continent. It would take decades for them to even come close to sharing the same border. Furthermore the NAU is NOT promoting the restoration of the US. Remember the NAU includes a Canadian survivor state and nationalist Lakotah. You are thinking of PUSA. Mitro 23:45, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Potential future members

Who's handling Portland - Zack or Yank? Whomever has it, are you considering reuniting western and central Tennessee? That might be the most natural direction for the region to head in the next year (under Dixie Alliance supervision). And thanks for putting East Tennessee and Blue Ridge on the docket - I have no problem with that whatsoever. BrianD 03:03, April 5, 2010 (UTC)