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'''Contiental Powers'''
 
'''Contiental Powers'''
   
Socialist American Republics, Mexico, Ethopia, Russia (''possibly ''China, Iran and Ireland)
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Socialist American Republics, Mexico, Ethopia, Russia (''possibly ''China, Iran and Ireland and a revolting Quebec)
   
 
'''Maratime Powers'''
 
'''Maratime Powers'''

Revision as of 14:36, April 19, 2018

To make this more understandble, keep this section shorter and emphasize on the differences in the United States.

Stepintime (talk) 00:11, September 4, 2017 (UTC)

As the original creator has stated that he is abondoning the timeline I am assuming role as a caretaker. However this primairly to clean up the project and add relevant visual aids/media to enhance the experience. I may add content where there are gaps.

Other users are welcome to particpate and contribute as always.

Stepintime (talk) 19:06, January 3, 2018 (UTC)

Panama Canal and the Philippines

To add thrill. Panama Canal Zone a) annexed by Colombia, b) occupied by UK or a c) sort of international mandate of the League of Nations. Or all three options!!!
I see the Philippines more in the hands of a local nationalist government more in line of Manuel L. Quezon than communists or similar parties. Philippines would also fell within the economical and political sphere of influence of Imperial Japan. --JorgeGG (talk) 17:56, April 6, 2018 (UTC)

I am starting to wonder why the Philippines would not be taken by Japan outright as this seems to be the pefect moment, (perhaps Japanese polticans choose not to).

And Hawaii Hawaii needs more insight While I imagine the Hawains take advantage of the revolution i don't know if it would have leftist outcomes. There is however the historical experience of the Haawainn Communist Party in the 50s which enjoyed victories due to support from native people

But at the time Japanese made over 43% of the territory's population, though certainly not all supportive of their homeland entirely why wouldn't the Japanese Empire also come to the area?


My Take
Hawaii: Independent from US in order to safeguard plantation interests and commerce. Fall within the commercial and political sphere UK and/or Japan. Annexed by the later by means of an incidente like in China in order to safeguard the Hawaiian people from communist agitation.? I certainly see the local Communist Party involved with forming labor unions and organizing labour strikes and the general strikes that could lead to a revolution.
Alaska: A long war with Canada for its control. Not a state but a territory under direct rule (too few people and infighting to have a local revolutionary government) Perhaps with a little help from Russia but with some compensation. Nothing comes free.
Panama Canal a) annexed by Colombia, b) occupied by UK or a c) sort of international mandate of the League of Nations or some combination of the three.
Philippines. Becomes independent with the generous help of Imperial Japan under the slogan of Asian for Asians. Not annexed but under some form of indirect rule. Or just annexed.
Mexico. Establishes working relations with the revolutionary America and help with weapons and military skirmishes north of Rio Grande or a major ofensive in Texas and help to California. Later when things are settled it would establish some sort of Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation between both states. Perhaps more open migration to border states and a more bilingual revolutionary America.
Canada. Becomes a refuge for fleeing Americans and as a long Red Scare period (like in the USA in the 1950s) that disestablishes Canadian labor movement and left parties. There is a long and protracted war over Alaska as Canada seeks to secure lands north of British Columbia with UK help.
Cuba. Starts an earlier coup or rebelion against Machado establishing a more reformist and left winging movement. Although the american revolution could give air for Machado to maneuver into a more authoritarian regime.
US states I don't see the 48 states surviving in their present shape. For instance I vision independant the communes of Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, Philadelphia and others. Also some states are divided or merged according to the revolutionary fighting or other causes (economic, cultural, social, etc). For example the Appalachian united in single unit or Texas split to deter reactionaries from having a common front, etc, Or for example Indian territories with degrees of self rule and ownership of their natural resources or due to Black liberation and civil right movements autonomous republics or regions established in the deep south. --JorgeGG (talk) 13:30, April 10, 2018 (UTC)


While I don't want to get ahead of ourselves the changes you describe will result in a completely different global situation by the 1940s. Though a global war will still occur due to mounting economic tensions around the globe and the shock America's revolution has on the economy the war may be entirely different. We cannot be sure that the infamous German Reich will arise in the shape we know in our real world. Certainly alliances will be different. I imagine the western powers being threatened by the 'continents of Russia and America' will band together to protect their global empires.

As the OTL United States had war-plans prepared against Great Britain as late as 1936 a revolutionary socialistic America will be positioned to disregard the British Empire which just by its image will go against the principals the new-America stands for. The question would be is whether the revolutionary leaders would plunge the country into another war after the civil war. The overall theme of timeline believes that America due to the ideology of the revolutionaries will risk fighting a new overseas war. There is likely to be major dissent against the war unless somehow the Socialist America is physically provoked.

Perhaps we will see Great Britian/France/Germany on the same side confronting Russia and the United States together.

Do not misunderstand me I am not writing about this hypothetical war because of I find it interesting, I absolutely find it horriable I would rather write about the domestic development of the U.S but realistically there will be a war in this climate. Perhaps a war that the U.S could avoid but will certainly not in this time

In regards to your points Alaska Yes, this will be a territory for sure. I think the people residing there would had possibly resented the instruction to their lives the revolution would had represented. The relatively large Alaskan Native population I think would have tried to avoid the confrontation between White Americans but would had ultimately been dragged into the fight.

Hawaii Japan securing influence in Hawaii and the empowerment of the large Japanese Hawwian population will be interesting, how will the Polyonesians react? And the Americans living in the islands?

While White Americans will deeply resent the Japanese for coming to what they see as 'their lands' I can see others working with the Japanese to hold down Communist influence. Japanese and members of the American refugee committee (lets call them the Blue Expats or Blue Riders for now) may develop a friendship with each other.

In regards to earlier point about future war this is a chief point in the conflict to come. Socialist America will likely target Hawaii to free the islands from 'imperialism' for sure. But the Japanese will have a unique edge not seen in most timelines, being in a much better political and economic position potentially in regards to an America recovering from war. However the status of China as a modern power has the ability to change many factors but will need to be discussed in its own right later.

Panama Canal Yes international mandate that is in reality backed by the British would make sense here.

Philippines Along these lines the Phillpines will become a client state, potentially with former western elements in the country being scapegoated with the support of raising support for the new regime by Taglog and Visyan speakers. Depending on the course of events the Philippines could be a supportive ally for Japan similar to the historical Thailand or face annexation by frustrated Japanese generals as you mentioned. Lets think about a client state for now.

Mexico The extent of America's and Mexico friendship as two independent new world powers will be a dominating theme in the history of modern Ameirca. America will surely being the father figure in this relationship but I can see both countries genuinely good relations with each other.

Canada May be a target for future American expansion or a coup'deat to secure North America from the British Empire. I do agree though that as long at is independent it will become a safe place for those who disagree with the American Leftists. Canada may preserve of what we come to think of as the 'old america'


Cuba I am not as familiar with Cuba in this period but unrest in America will give any U.S supported dictators left or right more room to govern by their own whim.

US States This is one of the most critical questions of the timeline. Though I can see how your proposal makes sense I don't think this revolution will be a cookie cutter from the historical experience of the Soviet Union. I think some of the the revolutionaries would attempt to preserve the core of the American nationality while making it more egalitarian. However I could see Sarah Leslie pushing forward sweeping changes even against the counsel of many of her own loyalists. I like your point on African Americans. However I will ask, do you think a Socialist American would want to make minorities separate or attempt to 'Amercanize' them by giving them legal equality but also putting mainstream values of European Americans upon them?

We should discuss this subject more, thanks for bringing it up.

Overall your takes are pretty sound and start the conversation for building this world.

Quebec citizens however may see an opportunity to overthrow their English Canadian governors.

Lets continue forward!

I also enjoyed reading your sandbox on the party.

Possible Global Warpossibly

One could wonder that if many of the nations of Eurasia has a mutual fear of the United States in this timeline if that would bind together, to shield themselves from the New World Influence. Perhpas there may not be second great war.

But there likely will be a new war in Eurasia due to basic millitary/industrial tensions that would still exist.

This war however will not be like OTL as the severe change of power balance causes realignment throughout the world

I imagine the alignment of warrning nations to go something like this

Contiental Powers

Socialist American Republics, Mexico, Ethopia, Russia (possibly China, Iran and Ireland and a revolting Quebec)

Maratime Powers

Great Britian and all of the Commonwealth (except Ireland or revolting non English colonies), Germany, Italy,  Netherdlands, Poland, Japan (and its sphere) (possibly France and Thailand)

Non Aligned

Sweeden? Switzerland? France? Thailand? Indian Independence Movement,



The alligance or neturality of China is one of the greatest factors here. As China and Japan are in different places in this time Japan will not invade China the sameway if Japan is even the aggressor. While the history of China and Japan I think would drive them apart diplomatically this is no gurantee of direct war. I also think that the rulers of China will be less inclinded to take agressive actions, if they do however the main theaters of war will be on China's Coast, Korea, Manchuria and possibly Indo China. I am not sure if Russia and China could see themselves on the same side here. Perhaps a mutual distaste of the maratime colonial empires might create an agreement.

Japan in the meantime could be very isolated with three hostile powers potentially attacking at once. This may cause Japan to attack premptively as in our timeline. However as Japan mantains its traditional island alliance with Great Britain the circumstances are different. Japan in this timeline would recevie their raw materials from Australia. In the case of war Britian's navy will at protect supply lines at first.

Hypothetically depending on the politics of such a War, America could be on the losing side if the public does not support the war. Given that the Japanese did intervene in Hawaii (and perhaps even on the mainland during the Civil War) though Americans may still be inclined for war. Even if that means crossing the Pacific to punish Japan. If America and Russia fight together (with China eventually joining their side) they will win in the long term due to industrial capacity. Both will suffer heavy casualties.

Just a rough idea.

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