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the new andorra new flag have the older andorra flag and spain flag and what is tant blue and that red? spanish is not a oficial languaje?--Fero 18:42, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

The flag is composed of the Andorran and Spanish flags superimposed on the French flag, with the Andorran coat of arms in the center. It's tentative, if anyone has critiques for it. Spanish is not the official language, because Spanish is not the official language, *here*/OTL -- it's Catalan. Louisiannan 18:48, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Personnaly, I would think that they would have kept the old flag as it already contain the colours of france anc spain.--Marcpasquin 20:20, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
I agree with Marcpasquin. Especially since this flag seems too "busy", it has too many things on it. DarthEinstein 01:55, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Agreeing with Marc as well. This design has the same basic though behind it as the OTL one, but looks less aesthetically pleasing. --Karsten vK (talk) 14:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
All right, sounds like opinion is unanimous in the negative, and that's just fine -- I'll make the change! I appreciate the feedback. Louisiannan 22:58, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Peace offering from Iberic Union

A diplomatic mission headed by Pascal Benoit (former French citizen and now assistant secretary of the Foreign Affairs Office of the Iberic Union) has arrived today in Andorra La Vella.

He tendered a territorial division of the ancient region of Catalonia, according to these terms of the division Andorra would retain the territories over the years has been gaining in the north of the former province of Lerida.

And also recognizes any expansion made (or to made) in the territory of the former province of Gerona. The rest of Catalonia would be as expansion area of the Iberian Union. Iberic Union also not interfere with any future expansion that Andorra want to do in the former territories of France.

Warmly welcomes these terms to Andorran government? Tristanbreiker 10:08, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

The Principality of Andorra welcomes the missive of the Iberic Union, and is pleased that a stable government has begun forming in the mainland of Spain. The suggested "division" of lands, however, bears some discussion. His Majesty thus requests further conference that a more binding treaty be established.
Prince-Bishop Joan Martí Alanis wishes it known that Andorra has not actively sought to aggrandize its territories, but rather to stabilize the surrounding region following the chaos of Doomsday. To that end, any territories petitioning for support to the Principality have received it, accepted as member polities with all political and social rights as given in Andorra proper.
Due to the fractious nature of Spain at the moment, and the need for order, His Majesty must refuse agreement to a strict division of land with the Iberian Union. The Principality of Andorra will continue to accept applications for support from the whole of the former province of Catalonia, as they are more geographically sustainable from Andorra than the I.U. This by no means indicates any desire to usurp authority, rather, an effort to maintain order as it is re-established.
His Majesty and His Majesty's government will refer any and all requests for support from the polities in the former province of Aragon to the authority of the Iberian Union.
Should a petitioning polity request membership with the Principality despite the referral of said polity to the Iberian Union, His Majesty would request a conference of government to assure the well-being of this polity.
His Majesty offers his services should third-party arbitration be necessary between the Pays-Libres des Basques and the I.U.
His Majesty awaits the response from the Iberian Union regarding a treaty conference to be held at a mutually decided location.
traduction
Le Principauté d'Andorre reçoit la lettre de l'Union Ibérienne, et se complets de savoir qu'un gouvernement stable s'est installé dans les restes de l'Espagne. Selon votre lettre, la division des terres espagnole, désormais doit être discuté. Son Majesté ordonne une conférence afin d'établir les traités plus forts.
Le Prince-Evêque Jean Martin Alanis souhaites la connaissance qu'Andorre ne s'est pas agrandit par exprès, mais, par contre à cherché de stabiliser la région alentours suivant aux Jour d'Apocalypse. À ce but, tout territoire qui demande de soutien sera pourvu par la Principauté, et donc accepté comme membres de l'état, avec tous les droits sociaux et politique, comme donné en Andorre propre.
Puisque l'Espagne et toujours divisé et donc à besoin d'ordre, Son Majesté doit malheureusement refuser d'accepter la divisions des terres proposé de la part de l'Union Ibérienne. Le Principauté d'Andorre continuera d'accepter les demandes de soutien de tout la province de Catalogne, puisqu'Andorre et plus près en termes géographique que l'U. I. Cela signifie en aucun cas le désire de prendre de l'autorité, mais plutôt le désire de renforcer l'ordre qui se rétablis.
Son Majesté et son gouvernement vont suggérer aux suppliants des régions d'Aragon de accéder plutôt à l'Union Ibérienne.
Au cas ou une territoire demande d'accéder plutôt au Principauté d'Andorre, malgré qu'Andorre l'ont envoyé auprès de l'U. I., Son Majesté demande une conférence des gouvernements afin d'assurer le bien-être de ce territoire.
Son Majesté offres ses services et soutien au cas ou l'U.I. à besoin d'arbitrage en face des Pays-Libres des Basques.
Son Majesté attends la réponse de l'Union Ibérienne vis-à-vis cette conférence de traité dont le lieu sera décidé par des deux gouvernements.
traducción
El principado de Andorra acoge con satisfacción la misiva de la unión ibérica, y está contento que un gobierno estable ha comenzado la formación en el continente de España. El division sugerido de tierras, sin embargo, lleva una cierta discusión. Su majestad pide así la conferencia adicional que un más tratado obligatorio se establezca.
Príncipe-Obispo Juan Martí Alanis la desea sabida que Andorra no haya intentado activamente engrandecer sus territorios, pero estabilizar algo la región circundante que sigue el caos del Día del Juicio Final. A tal efecto, cualquier territorio que solicitaba para la ayuda al principado lo ha recibido, aceptado como clases políticas del miembro con todas las derechas políticas y sociales como dado en Andorra apropiada. :Debido a la naturaleza díscola de España en el momento, y a la necesidad de la orden, su majestad debe rechazar el acuerdo a una división terminante de tierra con la unión ibérica. El principado de Andorra continuará aceptando los usos para la ayuda del conjunto de la provincia anterior de Cataluña, pues son más geográficamente sostenibles de Andorra que el U.I. Esto indica de ninguna manera cualquier deseo de usurpar autoridad, algo, un esfuerzo para mantener orden mientras que se restablece.
Su majestad y su gobierno se referirá y todas las peticiones para la ayuda de las clases políticas en la provincia de Aragon a la autoridad de la unión ibérica. Si una clase política que solicita pida la calidad de miembro con el principado a pesar de la remisión de la clase política dicha a la unión ibérica, su majestad solicitaría una conferencia del gobierno asegurar el bienestar de esta clase política.
Su majestad ofrece sus servicios si el arbitraje es necesario entre Paga-Libres del Vascos y el U.I. Su majestad aguarda la respuesta de la unión ibérica con respecto a una conferencia del tratado que se celebrará en una localización mutuamente decidida.
Louisiannan 17:41, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
Pascal Benoit for the government of the Iberian Union regrets that it has reached with the Andorran authorities for which agreements had been commissioned. But is perceiving that the intentions of the principality are not expansive and sincerely want peace and the establishment of friendly relations.
Welcomes the offer of mediation of His Highness in the contest that we faced for years with the Basque Nation and forward to the Government of the Union. Since that fateful day on which the Order and the Law were broken we had to fend for ourselves with no guide but the law of God which is our only comfort and protection. Below this law we are all equally legitimate in the use of our land, it's too much blood shed, is the time for reconciliation and peace and unity against our common enemies, those who for greed and taking advantage of the struggles we intend to be divided with the fruit of our efforts.
Pascal Benoit farewell with best wishes to His Highness and the members of the Government and people of Andorra.
'traducción'
Pascal Benoit en nombre del gobierno de la Unión Ibérica lamenta no haber alcanzado con las autoridades de Andorra los acuerdos para los que había sido comisionado. Sin embargo queda apercibido que las intenciones del principado no son expansivas y desea con toda sinceridad la paz y el establecimiento de relaciones amistosas.
Agradece el ofrecimiento de mediación de su Alteza en la contienda que desde hace años nos enfrenta con la Nación Vasca, y lo transmitirá al Gobierno de la Unión. Desde Aquel Fatidico Dia en que el Orden y la Ley fueron quebrantados nos hemos tenido que valer por nosotros mismos sin mas guia que la Ley de Dios que es nuestro único consuelo y amparo.Por debajo de esta ley todos somos igualmente legitimos en el uso de nuestra tierra, ya es demasiada la sangre derramada, es el tiempo de la conciliación y de la paz y de la unión contra nuestros comunes enemigos, aquellos que por voracidad y aprovechando las luchas que nos dividen pretenden hacerse con el fruto de nuestros esfuerzos.
Pascal Benoit se despide con los mejores deseos para Su Alteza y para los miembros del Gobierno y el pueblo de Andorra.
'traducción'
Pascal Benoit pour le gouvernement de l'Union Ibérique regrette qu'il n'ait conclu avec les autorités andorranes pour lesquels des accords avaient été commandés. Mais c'est percevoir que les intentions de la Principauté sont pas expansif et sincèrement voulons la paix et l'établissement de relations amicales.
Se félicite de l'offre de médiation de Son Altesse au concours que nous avons été confrontés pendant des années avec la nation basque et le transmet au Gouvernement de l'Union. Depuis ce jour fatidique où l'ordre et la loi ont été brisées, nous avons dû nous débrouiller sans guide, mais la loi de Dieu qui est notre seul réconfort et protection. En dessous de cette loi, nous sommes tous également légitimes dans l'utilisation de nos terres, c'est trop de sang versé, est le temps de la réconciliation et la paix et l'unité contre nos ennemis communs, ceux qui, pour l'avidité et de tirer parti des luttes, nous voulons être divisée avec le fruit de nos efforts.
Pascal Benoit adieu avec les meilleurs vœux à Son Altesse et les membres du Gouvernement et du peuple d'AndorreTristanbreiker 19:01, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

This should definitely go in the Media Archive: it's about time somebody started filling that page up. And por favor: un transduction für uns? (Einen minuten bitte! Ich habe einen problemo avec le religioni. He was from everywhere. - Izzard) Benkarnell 19:31, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

How do you know!!!

--199.102.47.72 19:12, October 8, 2009 (UTC)how do you know exactly what the hell you are infact you really don't , do you?

¿?I suppose it's the last paragraph. The attackers referred by Pascal are mainly Sicily and Pais de Oro.Tristanbreiker 19:22, October 8, 2009 (UTC)


The price-bishop dies

Sorry to announce a succession crisis Joan Martí Alanis died in the OTL on 11 October this year. We must find a successor or leave the throne vacant, Or ask the Council of Rio a successorTristanbreiker 12:30, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

It would have to be appointed by the Council of Rio, if the people of Andorra recognize the Rio Council as valid. I think there will be some "infighting" to decide whether to accept the Celtic Church as the valid successor or the Church in Rio - after the church in Rio appoints the replacement. I don't think there will be very many, especially since the Celtic Church is viewed by most Andorran/French/Spaniards as apostate.Louisiannan 23:02, November 9, 2009 (UTC)
Not necessarily apostate, the Celtic church is a national church (as well as others such as Italian or Gallican church my draft), in terms of dogma and liturgy are maintained within established forms, the most striking difference do not recognize the authority of the Church of Rio. However national churches to be their authority does not extend beyond the territory of the State which advocates.The situation of the andorran church after the Doomsday could be that of an autocephalous bishopric, not integrated with the Spanish Church nor with the French Church. But it would recognize the authority of the New Vatican as soon as it is established.Tristanbreiker 09:34, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion for Andorra timeline

Could Boris Skossyreff (see Wikipedia/Wikinfo and other articles on him), the sometime King of Andorra (living in an obscure part of West Germany) be coopted into this timeline? Jackiespeel 17:43, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

It is actually unknown where he actually went after the war - some personal accounts state the Rhineland, others Siberia. Either way, died in 1989. Lordganon (talk) 12:24, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

The Boppard, West Germany, area is noted for winemaking and thus of fairly low strategic importance, so he might have survived. He would have been in his mid-80s; a minor possibility to be considered in the storyline. Jackiespeel (talk) 15:02, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

...And 15km from central Koblenz, a target, plus getting fallout from other blasts.

But, that really wasn't my point - the fact of the matter is, there is speculation as to where he was when he died. Boppard is one - and the most likely - but he could also have been in Siberia, or at a Spanish monastery.

He died in 1989 from old age, at the age of 93.

There's nothing to be considered, really. Man did nothing, and everything he claimed to do was in the 1930s.

Lordganon (talk) 08:37, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

I 'discovered' him a while back, and wrote the first post in this thread when I was re-researching him - more something to be considered (even in the sense of 'there was this adventurer who would be king a while back - shall we consider turning Andorra into a monarchy, as the co-princes are not presently easy to communicate with?') Jackiespeel (talk) 09:38, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

He was never actually King - he just declared that he was. There's as much credibility to that as saying that Norton I was the emperor of the United States.

And it is very easy to talk to the one prince. Urgell is not that far off - only five miles from the capital of Andorra - and even forms part of this state.

And, for that matter, it is technically a monarchy.

Lordganon (talk) 10:47, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

As I said exploring an idea. Shall we say there might well have been a discussion along the lines I mentioned, (followed by 'wonder what happened to him, and seeing if there was a copy of his manifesto 'in case it was of interest' - I think he wanted to turn Andorra into another casino town like Monaco, and make money thereby). The next point of discussion would have been 'shall we consider allying with whoever takes over the Foix area as being the technical heir of the original co-prince?' Jackiespeel (talk) 12:44, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Prince

Who is the French prince. ~OM

That half of the dual government was replaced with a local president. Lordganon (talk) 12:20, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

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