You do get that with Poland, Lithuania and those ex-Siberian lands most of your "Russia" isn't even "Russian". Fed (talk) 22:13, October 5, 2012 (UTC)
Firstly, belarus and Ukraine(that take up a majority of Lithuania now) were then at least considered Little and White Russia(so they are "russia). And not to mention Russian states annexed Kazan(in those terms it meant that they were basicaly part of Russia), The only non-slavic nationalty was Lithuania(and thats baltic). Poland was conquered by Russia, but one of the other names that I came up with was the Grand Federation of all the Russias and Poland, but I just needed to make this page to make it more convenient for us all(we dont generaly want to skip from talk page to talk page of 3 seperate users).-Lx (leave me a message) 22:22, October 5, 2012 (UTC)
Most of the Lithuanian territory was Slavic, not Lithuanian. Also, unless Poland's player is willing, you can't force him into Russia, you aren't strong enough even though you won the algorithm. LurkerLordB (Talk) 23:10, October 5, 2012 (UTC)
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Ok, so basically we're going with your map and Poland joining the RF, right? No other demands. The Royal Guns (talk) 19:19, October 5, 2012 (UTC)
Well, yes. I mean, the Tsar will be the leader to the entire RF, so Moscow would be a Grand Duchy again(the Tsar being like a first-amongst-equals type of person), Since you know, if we are forming a federation, we want an even rank for Novgorod Poland and Russia, and Tsar is basicaly the highest it can go(its kind of between king and Emperor), we should all become one level lower. That level lower is Grand Duke/Grand Prince(both are the same thing). Novgorod, Moscow, and Poland would be Grand Duchies, and our vassals would be principalities. Do you understand my logic?-Lx (leave me a message) 20:04, October 5, 2012 (UTC)
Hey, dont get down about not having more territory, at the time he was gone, and then came back...we got him to join the Russian Federation, thats good enough, more people for coalition algorithms and military aid-Lx (leave me a message) 20:09, October 5, 2012 (UTC)!
O come, on... I amended my map so that Moscovy gets a coast but there is still the problem of the Cossacks and the Crimea on former Lithuanian territory. You guys taking half of Lithuania is more than fair already. 2/3 is the equivalent of an overkill and will totally disatabilize my nation, I'm proposing OTL Russian borders and 1/2 of Ukraine to you guys... come on isnt that more than enough? Anyway, Moscow will annex the Crimea and the Cossacks, Novgorod takes Prussia, I'll take Moldova. AgentMars (talk) 02:20, October 6, 2012 (UTC)K
Yeah, calm down. The map Lx proposed is fine, we'll leave it at that. The Royal Guns (talk) 23:07, October 8, 2012 (UTC)
blue is current federatoin, ligther is nations we would probably like to annex within the next 100 years!!!
talking about maps...I think everyone would like to be here by at least 1550...with some colonies of course...-Lx (leave me a message) 23:51, October 8, 2012 (UTC)
Also, we could dig in massively to the Samoyeds and etc... Why leave them alone? The Royal Guns (talk) 19:24, October 9, 2012 (UTC)
Whoa there, lets conquer NPCs first before everything else, especialy since the algorithm is being changed. After All, we do need to conquer 5 NPCs, and it takes time to recuperate from wars(military action negative will soon be Years squared). I would say at least 50 years for each, I say leave the Saami for last unless somebody takes interest...since they will ahve a population factor of 3 of 4 and we have one of 27 or 28. Anyways, I created a page for the Grand Council , Grand Principalities get 3 votes, and Sovreign Principalities(non-vassal members of the fed) get 1 vote(if sombody asks to play as a vassal of your give them the decency of being a "Sovreign Principality")-Lx (leave me a message) 20:56, October 9, 2012 (UTC)
How about SPs get 2, and vassals get 1? The Royal Guns (talk) 21:06, October 9, 2012 (UTC)
But then we should have a limit to the ammount of vassals sombody can have...so that they dont get 2/3 of the vote because they have like 10 vassals. If you fix that problem then sure it might work.-Lx (leave me a message) 21:23, October 9, 2012 (UTC)
You can't have more than 3-4 vassals (unless you're something like the Caliphate, but that's different.) Also, Finland just opened up. I recommend we split up; Muscovy attacks southward, Novgorod attacks eastward, Poland attacks northward... that way we get all the goals from the map, with a third the recent wars toll. The Royal Guns (talk) 19:50, October 10, 2012 (UTC)