Crane[]
Why would Crane not be hit? According to the wikipedia article on the Crane Army Ammunition Activity the depot has been there since 1941? Mitro 17:59, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
- My mistake. I'll fix it pronto. BrianD 18:24, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
- Also, I mistook the Crane facility for the one in Charlestown. BrianD 18:33, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
- If Crane was hit, then Bloomington is not much of a candidate for being a survivor city-state, it being only 20 miles away from a direct hit. Unless this hit was extremely low-yield, or of conventional non-nuclear ordinance.SouthWriter 15:58, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
It would be easy enough to go back and revise the article to have Columbus instead of Bloomington as a surviving citystate...I wasn't even aware of the Crane site, though I'm familiar with the area. BrianD 18:01, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
Indiana Republic[]
Anyone else read the page? I have a comment over there about its plausibility, we might want to look into that. Also, why would South Bend not be hit on Doomsday, and if it wasn't, why would it fall apart anyway? I can't think of any reason for that, provided it survives Doomsday at all.--Loughery111 16:10, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
- South Bend is not that far away from Chicago and it is right on I-90. I think it is good to assume that refugees from Chicago and Northwest Indiana may overwhelm the town. Mitro 16:30, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
- That is a point, one I should have thought of, given that I go to Notre Dame. It could make it through though... Indiana has the agricultural base to handle a good number of people, especially given that I-90 got taken out in Gary and Michigan City, which will make it difficult to use. Could go either way in my mind. Thoughts on the Indiana Republic?--Loughery111 16:35, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
- South Bend is not written in stone; if it make the most sense to have it viable today, then we should write it into canon (and revise this page accordingly). I wrote this page as a jumping off point for other creators....and before the Republic of Indiana article. Speaking of, I think it's poorly developed, and I honestly don't see any "Republic" encompassing the entire state but several small-to-medium city states within its borders as of TTL 2010. BrianD 17:50, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
- That is a point, one I should have thought of, given that I go to Notre Dame. It could make it through though... Indiana has the agricultural base to handle a good number of people, especially given that I-90 got taken out in Gary and Michigan City, which will make it difficult to use. Could go either way in my mind. Thoughts on the Indiana Republic?--Loughery111 16:35, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
So was the school town of Speedway destroyed.
also, the towns of Brownsburg and Lizton? (Althistoryluver99 20:39, August 17, 2010 (UTC))
- Speedway would have been flattened by the shock wave and firestorm of three bombs over Indianapolis. Brownsburg and Liizton, being a little farther out from downtown Indianapolis, probably would not have been destroyed outright, though concurrent blasts over the capital city might have destroyed towns as far away as Lizton (and certainly Brownsburg). Anyway you put it, though, towns that close to "ground zero" would not be pleasant places to live. SouthWriter 18:24, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
Proposal[]
If it is alright, I'd like to develop Indiana somewhat. My proposal is this:
Kentucky controls the south, with Evansville, Bloomington, Madison, Corydon, Richmond, Tell City, Jasper, Paoli, Salem and Columbus being the largest and most important cities
There are two main governments in the north, both split in part due to the extreme localization of affairs that followed in the wake of Doomsday (as it did across the entire U.S.), and in part because of petty political differences.
The first is in the western half, with Lafayette being the capitol. Terre Haute is part of this arrangement. It considers itself the rightful successor to the state of Indiana.
The second is in the eastern half, governed from Muncie. It considers itself the rightful successor to the state of Indiana.
Relations between the two claimants are good, but for various reasons (travel, transportation, political bickering, raiders) a state-wide State of Indiana or Republic of Indiana is still not yet practical.
Indianapolis is a black zone, as are the northeastern cities of Gary and Michigan City.
Valparaiso is home of a clan of raiders (!) which cause problems for Lafayette and Muncie.
Kentucky, and by extension the East American Alliance, has good relations with both Indianas. So does the Toledo Confederation - not all that far from Muncie - and by extension the United Communities.
BrianD 18:10, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
For the most part, that makes sense.
Terra Heute is without a doubt inside of Kentucky's territory, by a couple of counties.
Both of those city-states, really, would only be able to be a couple-three counties large, though.
Lordganon 18:22, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
May I ask why you believe those states would be only 2-3 counties large, as opposed to a dozen? I have no intention of doing an Indiana wank, nor of resurrecting Sunkist's Wabash Union/Republic of Indiana proposals. I would need to be able to explain why these states are so small....and why Kentucky was able to control so much territory in the south. I also would need to explain their relation to the CK, and potentially to the United Communities, and whether economic and infrastructure aid from the EAA/UC would be able to help establish the foundation for a future Indiana that would join the EAA or the UC perhaps by 2020. BrianD 23:00, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
You're right about Terre Haute. Still, given its proximity to Lafayette, one would have to imagine by now that there have been some relations established between them and the CK/EAA (perhaps through Terre Haute?). The same scenario exists between Muncie and the Toledo Confederation. BrianD 23:04, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
I'm aware that it wouldn't be a wank or any such thing.
However.....
Both of those two cities have only a single county between them and Kentucky. And, as you say, you need a way to explain the extent of Kentuckian control. If they were to control more than the equivalent of a few counties today, then that becomes impossible, as that would mean that they would control counties that are part of Kentucky. There's also exploration in the north to consider that found nothing worth mentioning, and the various strikes, which would limit its size a great deal as well. And, your raiders, of course.
Basically, them being small is the only way to explain how explorers early on missed them, and Kentucky got so big.
I must also note that the northeast corner of the former state would lie under the control of Toledo.
Yes, they would have relations. Probably more or less as you describe.
Lordganon 15:30, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
Good points, all, giving me an outline for my proposal. Thanks, LG. BrianD 17:24, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
Ball Glass[]
Muncie is the headquarters of Ball Corp. Since Toledo’s glass industry stayed intact, I feel that Ball Corp may still be making glass jars. Even if the jar plant was forced to shutdown after Doomsday, I believe that one of Toledo’s glass companies would try to reopen the factory.Goldwind1 23:26, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
No power - Toledo at least has a tiny amount - along with EMP damage, and lack of upkeep. It'd only be just now starting to be an idea to fix it. Lordganon 00:32, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
Garfield[]
It has been confirmed that a survivor state exist in Municie Indiana .Jim Davies the author of Garfield should have been living in Municie during 1983. I belive that he would have started to make new Garfield Comic stripes as soon as the local paper started publishing again. I got an idea for a stripe were the people of Municie try to run Jon out of town because, Garfield ate almost all of the food in the storehouse. However they change thier minds when Garfield save the town from the Valparaiso radiersGoldwind1 (talk) 23:12, December 26, 2013 (UTC)