From what I've read, there was no portuguese military presence in Macau, because they didn't particularly give a crap about it since they were giving it back.Oerwinde 18:13, July 6, 2010 (UTC)
Capital City[]
Just so everyone is aware, I found Aomuhn (Macau proper) as an unsuitable capital. It is too close to the contaminated Pearl River Estuary, and would likely cause disease to spread among politicians. The contamination comes from ashes and destruction in factories, and the release of millions of dangerous chemicals. I am moving the capital to Hoiping (Kaiping), with a much cleaner water supply, and sheltered by mountains. It may seem remote, and only a small city, but rest assured remote and small is good to a) bring economy to that area b) encourage cultural and linguistic diffusion and c) keep away from contamination. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 04:20, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
That is beyond what you have permission from Arstar to do. Not happening. And, fyi, the effects of the blasts would go away from Macau, so its fine. Any attempt to do this will be reversed. Lordganon 07:47, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
I think a temporary move early in the state's history is fine, but by modern day a great deal of the contaminants would have been washed out to sea or cleaned up by the Macanese government. As long as Macau is the capital by modern day.Oerwinde 21:00, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
Duh, need to keep reading. Ok, so that was already done.Oerwinde 21:00, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
Nope. He has no permission from Arstar to do it, and he won't put that line in until such an event occurs. Nor has he once actually put in a line other than the biased "move" in when he tries it, ever, no matter what he has claimed. Lordganon 21:31, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
The article has them relocate in like 87, and return to Macau in 2008. I'm ok with that. And its not like Arstar did a damn thing with the article, he just collected "caretaker" titles for half the timeline.Oerwinde 21:43, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
Not once has he ever said that it moved back anywhere in those edits. Arstar created this article, and the majority of what was here before Kenny started to add what he had permission to add was from him. He never "collected" anything. Lordganon 21:55, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
Look at the Pax Macana section, has the government returning to Macau in 2008. You're right about Arstar. He did collect Caretaker status for a huge number of articles that he didn't do anything to though. That may have been before you got here though. Not relevent to this article though, I apologize. Anyway, Detectivekenny has taken off with this article and vastly improved it. Arstar barely touched the history so as long as the capital returns to Macau before the creation date I don't see why its an issue.Oerwinde 22:22, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
I'm well aware of what Arstar did.
Arstar gave him permission to "only work on the economics and other asthetic changes" - and this is adjusting the history, which he does not have permission to do. He also told me to keep an eye on his editing. I've let him expand the history a little, because it had some - but this is going beyond that, and has no actual basis in fact, either.
Thank you for pointing out that line - I'd actually missed it. Removing right now.
Lordganon 23:00, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
- Quite frankly LG, you have 2/3 of the article's caretakers and 2/3 of the remaining brass against you. Not sure wheat you expect to get out of prolonging the argument on something so trivial. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 01:09, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
You are starting to be a real pest LG. All your edits serve to do nothing but to insult and to belittle another user's work. When Mitro gave criticism it was to let another user know he was making a mistake, and how to fix it. Your critisism only serves to bully others into doing things your way. It disgusts me how you have become nothing more than a greedy cyber-tyrant.
Yank 01:17, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
Confucian Government[]
I really like this. When I first came up with a Macau survivor state I envisioned an oligarchic meritocracy. Basically it was to be run by a small group of people who had proven they could do the job. That was all I had and I passed it on to others who changed it to a republic. So this is a very welcome addition that blends the two. Thumbs up.Oerwinde 20:57, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
Haha thanks. I figured most of the western-educated Macanese (who had power) wouldn't accept full oligarchy. I've always been intrigued by the idea of a government based on local ideals rather than a strict European system. I think today we have seen it work in at least Japan, Malaysia, Korea (post-war), Taiwan (post-war), possibly Singapore, and probably the PRC in the near future. I wouldn't call those governments liberal democracies (except Japan) but at that point the only complainers are western-educated lol. I would be interested to see the idea on a wider scale in the 1983DD timeline. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:03, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
Flag of Macau[]
I doubt that the current flag of Macau would be used in the 1983 doomsday timeline becauseit was designed in 1993. Also, Flags of the World says the flag was designed by a professor of arts and crafts at Henan University. I don’t think the designer of the flag would be able to reach Macau. The republic of Macau would probably use the Flag of the Municipality of Macau or the Flag of Portuguese colonial Government of Macau.-Anonymous
I did one up based on the coat of arms of colonial Macau. I admit I didn't do a lot of research, but I believe Macau and Hong Kong were not thrilled about being handed back to China, especially after it went communist. So tying it to its colonial past may make sense.Oerwinde 05:50, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
That is beyond what you have permission to do. Not happening. Any attempt to do this will be reversed. ;) Btw I like it. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:20, December 13, 2011 (UTC)
So... I just added a bunch of edits, since there's quite a lot of problems as of now. For one thing, Macau cannot rely on tourism. How on earth would there be a gambling and tourism industry after Doomsday? I also cleared up and beefed up man yparties, and gave them more distinct "flavours". I then added Hong Kong's section of history in there, clearing up some inconsistencies (like pronounciation) and overall giving it the sense of importance it deserves (not too much). In the end, these are fairly minor edits, but I find many problems with this scenario. If anything, HK should be more important as its more rich in both the financil and social sense, which is key. Also, HK is still a british territory, which opens up lots of possibilities. Overall, HK being what it is (a trade port), would be more powerful and united, creating a better spot for capital or even the starting region. The whole problem is that macau simply doesn't have the resources to take over. Up until now I've simply made this more plausible, but I feel that this is one thing that I would add.