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Lordganon (talk) 19:53, February 2, 2014 (UTC)


You should've asked me before you went ahead and began creating pages without permission. Secondly, I don't wish for you to take pate in this timeline. Please refrain from doing any further edits on it. I have removed all your edits. Don't let this happen again. -- NuclearVacuum Flag of Alaska (Russian America) 23:43, February 2, 2014 (UTC)


Going to say this once: Don't remove those categories or edits again. Lordganon (talk) 11:00, February 4, 2014 (UTC)


We need to talk. Please come on chat.--Yank 00:56, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

PMIII Andorra

can the county of foix be added to the list of nations/territories. Andorra is in a personal union with them. the county of foix is one of the co-princes along with the bishop of urgell.  Jaumet (talk)

Those other states colored in Austrian colours are the German city states of Kempten, Ulm, Konstanz and Augsburg; and the German state of Baden. You also have the Austria states of Salzburg and Gorizia included. I see no mention of you uniting or vassalising them at all. Scandinator (talk) 14:46, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

They were amalgamated into the state of Montfort which I have spanning the West of Austria and about half the land in question, the other half is overrun by the border. Would you like proof? I have a base map underneath. The thing is all these tiny nations are too small to hit the map so oft they get lumped together. Scandinator (talk) 15:09, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry if I sounded curt. Its 2am here and I'm exhausted... I'm glad we figured it out. Good night! Scandinator (talk) 15:19, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Ok I have fixed it, thanks MS, i didnt realize that was hapening  Sims -The Rainbow MachetePiq 28524 400x400 15:56, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

I added the text you said, it didnt work -Sims Sims -The Rainbow MachetePiq 28524 400x400 15:57, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

can you make the page tmeplate for me, and ill put it as my sig  Sims -The Rainbow MachetePiq 28524 400x400 16:22, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

I wasnt aware you could do a user page and talk page in a sig. Can you do that for me?  Sims -The Rainbow MachetePiq 28524 400x400

Stop changing Chance. You have no basis to. One more time, I swear... 1 Imp (Say Hi?!) 14:46, February 16, 2014 (UTC)


I will le let u make the Civil War page. As long as me and Yank can edit it and stuff. 1 Imp (Say Hi?!) 14:58, February 16, 2014 (UTC)

Hesse-Luneburg picture

I apologize for any mistakes or anyrthing right now because it';s 2:15 AM and I don't feel all that god anyways sio I saw your opcicture tiyled Luneburg Hesse or something like that and I was wondering what that was about because it has be in orane is it simoe gkind of battle pplan or something or teeirotry teri terrutiry yiu okl plan on giving to the UNc because if you so I will not tolearte it and will gi ti war with you over the issue if you plan to give my rerti territory to mt tthe unC si uif you could explain that would be nice and thanks i also thought you could give me men for my invasion of Brunswick-Gotenging? I have Nassau now plus the Saxon Federation might help so yeah Blocky858 (talk) 07:18, February 19, 2014 (UTC)


Mscoree, I need your help with Shadow's post on PMIII in the year 1420, I have already written down everything that I find ASB. I wish to thank you in advance and hope you forgive me for leaving this messages on your talk page which are probably a nuisance to you. SkyGreen24 (talk) 20:08, February 21, 2014 (UTC)

Austrian Assistance

I was wondering, if you could help in the war against Brunswick-Gottingen? You said would support me, if you have changed your mind, please let me know so I can adjust my plans accordingly. Thanks. Blocky858 (talk) 01:15, February 22, 2014 (UTC)

RE: RE: Austrian Assistance

Alright, thanks, it did clear all that up. Also, the Saxon Federation player has quit and has given no one his land. Does the land just stay like that forever until someone takes it? Or does another player that had close ties to it inherit it? Blocky858 (talk) 01:42, February 22, 2014 (UTC)

About The Saxon Fed.

He gave me the Saxon Fed's land as he was leaving PM3. So does this mean they are an annexed part of my nation, or are they vassals? Blocky858 (talk) 13:45, February 22, 2014 (UTC)


This is a formal invitation for you, sir/madam to come join Look Out, Sir! (Map Game) ! It is a WW2 alternate history map game, set in the year 1943. The rule system is set after Principia Moderni III (Map Game) and some other major map games. The battle algorithm is a modified version of the one used by The War That Came Early (Map Game) . We have a lot of room and I am hoping to make this into another one of those successful map games. So if you could come on down and pick a nation to rule and see what happens, that would be much appreciated. - Sincerely, Blocky858 (talk) and the rest of the LOS staff,

Hey Ms, my chat isnt working but I am trying to give you info hold on SwankyJ (talk) 20:42, February 22, 2014 (UTC)

Ms, my chat is not working. SwankyJ (talk) 20:47, February 22, 2014 (UTC)


Chat ASAP, will be on untill 5:30 centeral will be back 7:30 centeral try to be on. Flag of Russian Alaska (HR) OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM Flag of Italy (Federalist Italy)


-- NuclearVacuum Flag of Alaska (Russian America) 02:04, February 24, 2014 (UTC)

Either way, it is a duplicate, and I also saw no difference between the two aside from the name. Just use the one that's already uploaded. -- NuclearVacuum Flag of Alaska (Russian America) 02:11, February 24, 2014 (UTC)

I still see no reason for there to be two files, especially since you're only using it for userboxes. The already existing file should work the same, so please use it. -- NuclearVacuum Flag of Alaska (Russian America) 02:32, February 24, 2014 (UTC)

I didn't realize the background was transparent. I've reverted the file and renamed it. Please don't be doing anything like this again. -- NuclearVacuum Flag of Alaska (Russian America) 02:54, February 24, 2014 (UTC)


Thanks for that Ms; my knowledge of Latin is limited to a few common mottos and Catholic phrases so your help was very welcome! The plural form is fine, and in the context of the country whose motto it is, it even makes more sense than a singular. Callumthered (talk) 07:30, February 24, 2014 (UTC)

War Algo for Road to War

would you taking a look at this first part and telling me how it is?

War effort algo)   Nkbeeching (talk) 13:07, February 24, 2014 (UTC)

You are not an admin

I believe you've been told this time and time again, you are not an admin. Please don't be messaging users that they have duplicated and you don't need to be getting involved in the process. Thank you. -- NuclearVacuum Flag of Alaska (Russian America) 03:02, February 25, 2014 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with welcoming yourself to new users but you informing him about his duplicates and marking said files for deletion. Please don't do that in the future, that isn't your duty. You are more than welcome to talk to whom every you wish. -- NuclearVacuum Flag of Alaska (Russian America) 04:11, February 25, 2014 (UTC)

bavaria thing (pmIII)

Sorry I missed getting back to you for your offer to post my turn! :P Thanks anyways for asking. My schedule is super filled right now, but I think I should have things under control if I remember to post at night.

Again, thanks!

Cookiedamage (talk) 06:39, February 25, 2014 (UTC)

Make me a sig.

Would you make me a sig? Something American, with stars and stripes and eagles. Okay? VERY American. also, how do you make flags?

Ms can you come onto chat please? I am having significant issues with mod responses. -- Hailstormer (talk) 21:30, February 27, 2014 (UTC)


After the incident with the templates a month ago, I learned that you were asked several times to not be categorizing anything that wasn't yours. I see that you are adding cats to recently uploaded files, which annoys me because I have to go an either redo them or remove them as part of my daily file checks. I request that you listen and please stop this before it becomes a bigger issue once again. Thank you. -- NuclearVacuum Flag of Alaska (Russian America) 15:53, March 1, 2014 (UTC)

All the files Happychickenvermin uploaded for starters, and the recent files I deleted by We Can Pretend. -- NuclearVacuum Flag of Alaska (Russian America) 17:02, March 1, 2014 (UTC)
But weren't you told not to categorize? That's the question. -- NuclearVacuum Flag of Alaska (Russian America) 17:37, March 1, 2014 (UTC)

Re: PM3 Map

First off, I'd like to remind you that you're not a mapmaker either. You have as much business editing the map as I do. And the reason that my map undid the changes you made was because you made so many edits in a short amount of time that by the time I uploaded my map, you had already uploaded two more, something I could not help. There is no use posting complaints on the talk page. It never worked for me, so I just edit the map myself, something I have been doing since PMII, and none of the other mods had a problem with. If you noticed, my nation has not expanded on the past three maps, or has expanded incorrectly, contrary to what I have been posting. In addition, users have the right to edit their own nation on the map, though few may do so. I regret reverting your changes, and will help to restore them, but keep in mind that I am within my rights and you have no business telling me I can't edit the map when, on those grounds, you cannot either. Cour *talk* PMII Mayan FlagCaborr Flag 00:35, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

Sideways Earth

Thank you for visiting the Sideways Earth timeline.  I noticed that your "edits" only amounted to very minor changes, but I do hope you lingered long enough to read some of the content.

What did you think?  The time line ended up being labeled "ASB -- Enviromental," since in proposes that something happened that didn't actually happen.  Interestingly, that tag can be given to any weather or disaster scenario that could have happened but did not.  This is regrettable, but the persistence of one administrator prevailed in a compromise that expanded the "ASB" category into subcategories.

Feel free to send me a note if you need any help on this Wiki.  Though not active, I have not retired as an administrator of   SouthWriter (talk) 16:59, March 7, 2014 (UTC)


-- NuclearVacuum Flag of Alaska (Russian America) 02:01, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

PM3 Incorrect map

Hey Ms, since you're a mapmaker I wanted to ask if you could color Jaunpur red since it's my vassal and remove the border from some vassals which I have annexed over the last few turns. Thanks in advance 

SkyGreen24 Talk


Yet again, I find myself cleaning up false categories that you have added to things. Quit adding categories to things you did not upload or otherwise add yourself.

In addition, since Nuke left you a note about it, you have made even more statements that make you sound like you are an administrator. You are not. Simple. Don't make any such posts again.

And, finally, you need to act better in the chat. Enough complaints now that there is no doubt that you've been misbehaving in some form.

Lordganon (talk) 10:22, March 11, 2014 (UTC)

If you don't know how to do the simple task of finding that out, not my fault. I've been undoing them all night. You have been given numerous warnings by myself and others about this. Do not do it again.

And, on another note: Do not remove things from anyone's talk page, let alone my or another admin, ever again.

Lordganon (talk) 10:39, March 11, 2014 (UTC)

...Are you kidding me? If you had bothered to look at my edits, or the recent changes, you'd have seen several. Hell, I even just prior to this post reverted some. You didn't even bother to look. Kind of obvious.

More or less irrelevant, though, as I have now said numerous times: do not categorize anything you did not add to the wiki yourself.

Simple. And not something that will be repeated again. Done with warning you.

Don't care what you were "told."

Lordganon (talk) 11:34, March 13, 2014 (UTC)

...Because they aren't maps for it? Kind of obvious, even, that they aren't used by it. Lordganon (talk) 06:52, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

Way to not only ignore what I said, but miss the point.

The name is irrelevant. The things were never used in any form. Something that is extremely obvious. they aren't part of the game, and had you taken the second it took to actually look, you'd have seen that. Not that you ever take that amount of effort.

The only "confusion" is yours.

12:11, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

Benin Conflict

Ms, I made a mistake with the Oyo-Benin War. I forgot the *1.25 bonus I get for not using my vassals in a war. My conquest is actually 30.55% of Benin, not 20%. Flag of the Hurian Federation Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 03:12, March 13, 2014 (UTC)

Annoying you as always

Ms, I need you to czech out the Timurid post for 1440, since my grandfather past away yesterday I just wrote it short and today I made the full version of it which needs a mod response. 

Future Plans

In the future I plan to form the Kingdom of Westphalia, would you be alright with that? It'd occur sometime around 1460. Blocky858 (talk) 21:01, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

Louisiana (1983)

About Louisiana in Doomsday 1983, as a native Louisianian, I would be humbled if we could do some kind of cooperation on it? I feel that it would help me to start to better my writing skills.

Regarding Rex's edit, You said in his talk page that you are unable to do a map replace.But why? is it a rule or something? because it is perfectly possible to revert that edit.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 08:45, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

Of course it is possible. in fact i already did it.Just click the nearest "revert" button.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 22:32, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

Oh.Anyway, i already did it.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 06:56, March 17, 2014 (UTC)

Jaunpur Issue

I have had Jaunpur as my vassal before 1435, yet it's not colored red on the map as it should be, could this be changed by 1445? And the annexation of my other vassals, most of which happened before 1440. Thanks in advance. SkyGreen24

PM3 Map changes

Hey chief. So here is a picture of how just the squared area should look
PMIII map.1444

PM3 Changes. Aztec/Zapotec

German Union

Yes, I saw on the talk page what you said, and I see how you're correct. However, I feel large scale elections may not be all that implausible, considering that only the landed, male elite would vote. I'd like to try it out at least before we come to any conclusion. Maybe alter it later on if we find it too implausible, because I do so where you're coming from.Cookiedamage (talk) 21:08, March 17, 2014 (UTC)

Still on?

IATG left a message on the google doc. Cookiedamage (talk) 23:10, March 17, 2014 (UTC)

Capo Verde

Hey for the new map you forgot to add my expansion in Capo Verde. which should be nearly 10 years of 1000 km expansion. which should cover the rest of the like 3 islands left The Wings of Freedom #FP Wings of freedom 2 (Talk to Me)

Mod Page

We're having a little discussion on the mod page if you wouldn't mind hopping on for a few minutes. Cour *talk* PMII Mayan FlagCaborr Flag 18:26, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

a new idea

im planning on working on a new wiki project next month and was wondering if youd be interested in joining me, in making it. im basicly looknig to vreate a new universe not alternate history, but rather a universe were the wiki community creates new nations new cultures, new continents and a history for this new world, the back ground would be basicly fantasy world, meets steampunk, and imperial era. give me a heads up if your interested. With Blood and Iron (talk) 02:04, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

Royal Marriage

i guess i missed that. Yeah id be willing to marry off second in line for the throne. Ive got plans for the heir apparent. The Wings of Freedom #FP Wings of freedom 2 (Talk to Me)

British Flag

I was using it intentionally before. Early on I would believe that in a post WW1 world, the Irish Republic with German aid would have become the sovereign government of Ireland and declared indepence for the entire island. So I figured the British flag would have readopted the old flag. However I've figured it unlikely as the geographical result (i.e. Northern Ireland remaining in the UK) would have been the same so there's no reason for the old flag being used in my timeline anymore. I hope I cleared up the confusion.Central Victory Creator 18:23, March 20, 2014 (UTC)


Just wanted to let you know that your edit has been reverted. There have been peopl building carracks for several decades. While the main producer's production had been crossed out, it was simply due to the fact that it was implausible for his nation to have it. The Norse have been exploring for some time and there is a necessity for these vessels. Thanks, Banner of the Holy Roman Emperor with haloes (1400-1806) Labarum CrimsonAssassin- I have special eyes 20:07, March 22, 2014 (UTC)

New Maps for PM3 (SwankyJ)

SwankyJ (talk) 00:35, March 23, 2014 (UTC)

PMIII map.1450.1

1950- western hemisphere updated


Which are the two fragmented states above the Jurchens land? Ozymandias2 (talk) 15:37, March 23, 2014 (UTC)

Which is the one directly West of Hokkaido? On the Manchurian coast. It and the one next to it are on the current map but not listed on the labelled one on the talk page. Ozymandias2 (talk) 17:00, March 23, 2014 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, the Balhae didn't exist at that point, they were before even the Mongol conquest. After the breakdown of the Mongol Empire, I can't find much information on the region. Ozymandias2 (talk) 17:37, March 23, 2014 (UTC)

MS, for the moment I might or might not return, depending on how I feel today. If I have the energy I will, if I don't I won't. Same with every other day. Currently I am not ready to return, although I may be later to today.

I feel that unless I can somewhat gaurantee that I won't be forced into implausibility with my vassals and that I won't be unneedingly attacked by the mods, then I don't know what I can do. At the moment it just seems like a lot of effort in, a lot of stress and no reward out. If I felt I would succeed this might be when I call for those mods damaging the game to be impeached (feud and scan) and propose myself as mod and try to make changes from the inside to fix the issue of implausibility. Maybe I'll just do the former.

But what I can say for certain is that unless I get a burst of good energy I shan't be posting today. But thanks for your help. KunarianTALK 08:59, March 24, 2014 (UTC)

So Ms, due to the fact that you failed in not allowing me to be broken up. I believe my land should be updated to the map. As the mods continue to wreak havoc onto my nation. SwankyJ (talk) 13:03, March 24, 2014 (UTC)

karelia war

please pull my name off the war support for novogrod im not in that war, im not in any war at present. thank you in advance. With Blood and Iron (talk) 18:58, March 26, 2014 (UTC)


Do not undo the edits of an administrator again without contacting said administrator with the reason why you want to undo said edits. Banner of the Holy Roman Emperor with haloes (1400-1806) Labarum CrimsonAssassin- gib clay 00:05, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

It is in the name of administration because it's wrong. I clearly stated what's wrong and you made no attempt to debate or otherwise tell me what was up. Banner of the Holy Roman Emperor with haloes (1400-1806) Labarum CrimsonAssassin- gib clay 03:30, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

If you thought I wouldn't notice and take offense to that insulting note you left, you are sadly mistaken.

Don't want to ever see such a thing again.

And, with that, we have a final warning, overall, since I'm sick of you not going against earlier warnings and just accruing new ones for other things: Don't violate the rules again in any way.

Lordganon (talk) 10:04, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

Yellowstone Answer

Apologies for the wait on this one.

Japan would lack the resources, and because of the disaster, manpower, to do basically any of that. For them to go past the Philippines is probably not possible.

Now, in an ASB world where they did in your scenario...

Midway is where they cannot go further. They'd end up in control, by the time the dust settles, of nothing south of the Philippines. Be as bad, populationwise, as trying to hold China. They'd have better luck, and more ability, to go north.

Lordganon (talk) 16:44, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

You're back

Welcome back. We should start BFE soon.

        Centriflag   Tonight the foxes will hunt the hounds!  20:41, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

Can you please join chat, i am having some template issues i hope you can work out. Flag of Russian Alaska (HR) OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM Flag of Italy (Federalist Italy)

WHy cant you join chat, i was looking forward to talking to you after your ban, I have been trying to transfer Template:Infobox Sports League from wikipedia to here, but have been having many errors, may you please transfer it error free. The link to the wikipedia templatw is . Thanks in advance. Flag of Russian Alaska (HR) OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM Flag of Italy (Federalist Italy)


Cut it out. Lordganon (talk) 23:15, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

Hail Mscoree, he who gets the map right! 1 Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:52, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Umm, apparently my vassals and all are supposed to be the same color as me. That's on me, I screwed up with my map. Can you edit those colors? (Also, Sukhothai should be in CHinese colors, as it's jointly administered by Ayutthaya and China).

I'm really sorry...

        Centriflag   Tonight the foxes will hunt the hounds!  22:41, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, and thank god you're back- the map hasn't been updated for my nation since 1470 :P

        Centriflag   Tonight the foxes will hunt the hounds!  23:01, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Map issues

Hey just FYI on the new map you made i had to edit cause you forgot Castile purchasing Venetian morrocco and Monaco its been readded and im uploading the map now. Also you only acquired the island of Corfu, nothing else just one singular small island. The Wings of Freedom #FP Wings of freedom 2 (Talk to Me)

I think you accidently colored too many islands, so please remove the ones other than Corfu. Tr0llis (talk) 00:00, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Hi, sorry for being a pain, but you seem to have overlooked the changes to Japan on the 1890 map. There's a map posted in the map changes section showing what differences there are. Thanks, Ozymandias2 (talk) 16:31, May 3, 2014 (UTC)


This is to tell you that the map game Return of Battle for Earth has begun. If you have already posted, please disregard this message.         Centriflag   Tonight the foxes will hunt the hounds!  23:28, May 4, 2014 (UTC)


  • In pm3 you are telling me I need and algo for a civil war. why???? This makes no sense. - Scarlet

Here is Conte, very approximately in terms of size. I don't know how to change the map correctly as Windows Paint doesn't seem to have the right tools. Anyhow, the largest bump in Southern Africa should be slightly below it's centre, and it should go up 12 pixels from it's bottom, and three pixels from the coast.  Saamwiil, the Humble 17:27, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

Conte touches the coast. It goes 3 pixels in from it. A small part of it is in Namibia, and a slightly larger part of it is in Angola, though it is twelve pixels long. The "bumb" is the border between Angola and Namibia.  Saamwiil, the Humble 18:01, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry. Thought I left a picture. This is the very approximate:  Saamwiil, the Humble 20:22, May 10, 2014 (UTC)
Where Conte is

onte is

Welcome back to wiki :3

-Ashlee 20:23, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

Mughals Category

I've noticed that you've been adding the Mughals category to my articles. Although they are connected, not exclusively through the Mughals, the category should be Marwari-Mughali Union (Principia Moderni III Map Game) SkyGreen24 13:31, May 11, 2014 (UTC)


Can you join us on chat, please? Cookiedamage (talk) 21:00, May 11, 2014 (UTC)


Check France on the map, take a real good look. SkyGreen24 20:12, May 12, 2014 (UTC)


The shade issue that was with Tibet happened again. I know it's a minor issue but it feel so wrong, I can't unsee it anymore. SkyGreen24 20:19, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

Another PMIII Map Issue

Hello. You recently removed the new Albionic colony from the map in your new updated version. Can you add it again? Thanks, Bfoxius (talk)

Chat-PMIII related

Could you come to chat for a moment? SkyGreen24 10:51, May 13, 2014 (UTC)


can you come onto chat one sec or call me on skype ? With Blood and Iron (talk) 19:50, May 13, 2014 (UTC)



About PM3

About Pm3

What is the nation above the Safavid Empire, next to the Caspian sea. I think it is the Tengiz Khanate. - Scarlet 


Ms, can Austria please respond to my diplomacy? I am that guy (talk) 05:29, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

small mistake on my part

i made a midtake when i was telling you how to make eastern europe a majority of it is in either dark grey or black.With Blood and Iron (talk) 09:48, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

Hey, there.  I am Ginger2002, and I was wondering if you could tell me how all the old-timers create maps on this wiki.  I have been trying to find out, but nobody has told me they all just ignore pretty much.  Thanks, Mscoree.

Hi, Ms, join me on chat, pls? Cookiedamage (talk) 01:31, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

|onte has been expanded 5x3 pixels northwards, it was not shown on the last map.  Saamwiil, the Humble 02:03, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

PM3 Map things

PM3 map 1470.1


Making my leave

Hi, Ms

So I'm making my leave for VT and won't be able to post today, friday, or saturday. We've discussed this on chat and I thank you for agreeing to post for me. Also, I give you/Feudal stewardship of the algorithm against Hesse. 

Anyways, thanks for agreeing to help me out. Cookiedamage (talk) 14:28, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

Can you join me on chat? --David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk) 16:03, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

Map issues once again

Hey for some reason my colonies were removed, may have been my own oversight or yours (probably the former) but im re adding them, please use the map i upload as the next base map. Template:Feud sig

juuh okei

juuh okei


It appears I accidentally vandalised your profile. When 2 reverts occur at once, and edit conflict, I think it fucks the revert up, causing you to revert the revert, as it were. Anyway, sorry. Local Mafia Boss (Talk) (Blog)

Return to chat. Flag of the Hurian Federation Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 19:43, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for helping me edit stuff on Atomic winter!

Captainjohnrex (talk) 23:26, May 28, 2014 (UTC) Don't Mess With Me, I'm Captain Rex (Talk to Me)

An Alternate 1992

You're invited to join An Alternate 1992 the map game, your approval for taking a moderator position is guaranteed.. Kurt Cobain's Haircut (talk) 23:50, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Map additions for Spain

For the 1515 map here are my expansion maps i dont have time to cut them but take careful look at South Africa and South America which are my two main colonies (if you want just use a cut tool for the map and paste them over the current status of the continent) The Wings of Freedom #FP Wings of freedom 2 (Talk to Me)

Not sure expansion yet

Size is small for convinience

Need to talk to you about days after chaos come on chat quick. Flag of Russian Alaska (HR) OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM Flag of Italy (Federalist Italy)

Boshin war

Hi. I created an alternative history proposal for this page, albeit before logging in. I was about to do it again under my account . You undid the work. Why is that? Lafeber (talk) 21:12, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

1520 spain expansion map

Same places as before heres the map with my expansions in south America and South Africa. Also Spain owns most of the North Parts of the Aztecs and Zapotec own a solid section of the southern portion, They were left with a few core cities in the middle which i didnt add due to my business.  The Wings of Freedom #FP Wings of freedom 2 (Talk to Me)

New colonization

here you go :)

War in Italy

Italy declared war on me and i invaded before he did, so were on the attack and i added you to the algo since you agreed to support me before. So declare in your turn please The Wings of Freedom #FP Wings of freedom 2 (Talk to Me)

Native american nations

How are those two native american nations north-east of the mississipi river nation called?

SkyGreen24 16:20, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

1525 map

Next map is up here you go The Wings of Freedom #FP Wings of freedom 2 (Talk to Me)

Spain expansion 1525

What are the two disorganized Native American nations along the Great Lakes called? Krasnoyarsk (talk) 14:43, June 7, 2014 (UTC) 

Thanks.Krasnoyarsk (talk) 15:40, June 7, 2014 (UTC)

PM3: |onte needs to be expanded ten pixels northwards, and three coming off from the coast. Also the Rikisiate of Nikobara has not yet been added. It should be there in grey. Saamwiil, the Humble 22:22, June 8, 2014 (UTC)


Eric4e Took Over Bfoxs Map Game and Claimed The Map Game As His Own, And Hes Making some Pages About a Childrens Movie and Robots and Adding Charecters from The Movies and Copying them to the Coat of Arms and Flags in the late 19th Century, He Also Shouted on Me on My Talk Page for Poiting it out.Likercat (talk) 20:25, June 9, 2014 (UTC)

But he Shouted on my talk page :(.Likercat (talk) 09:24, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

OK. The Page Great Britain (Imperial Machines) Is 100% Rascist, There is no name Like Rancis and No Name like Fluggerbutter, That is Called Mocking British Names. That maked me little Dissapointed.Likercat (talk) 12:34, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Can You Delete a Page For Me

I Created a Timeline Named Romulan Star Empire And Its Some Spam There, I Was Very Bored, Can you delete it?.Likercat (talk) 11:59, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Latest expansion for Naijiria

Naijirian Expansion 1530

Naijiria 1530

Here's the expansion for Naijiria as of 1530. I took over the coastline of West Africa, and expanded Angola to its current size as you can see in the bottom-right corner. I included the expansion made by the European colonies in West Africa according to what was stated in their turns. Also, I merged Ife into Benin, and divided Mali in two. The two territories are Mali (top) and Nijar (bottom). Flag of the Hurian Federation Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 01:39, June 11, 2014 (UTC)

Well, after a long and heated discussion with Feud, my expansion, though somewhat scaled back, has been greenlighted. I would like it if you could please add the Naijirian expansion to the right to the map. Since I pacified Songhai (yet again), the nation remains the same as it has. I totally forgot I owned Jamaica, so that's up there too next to the Angola colony I have. Flag of the Hurian Federation Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 05:02, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Spanish expansion

Here you go MS. Also Vivas Expansion around my Kongo stuff in Gabon is implausible. He cant go that far in yet.
Spanish Colo 1530
The Wings of Freedom #FP Wings of freedom 2 (Talk to Me)

Governmant Simulator

I would like to create a political party? Where/how? Kurt Cobain's Haircut (talk)

I am sending you this message to let you know that the abuse that we all saw (and experienced) on chat today has been brought before the TSPTF. I invite you to share your experiences so we can show just how this wiki makes common sense reforms. TSPTF-Chat Abuse. Thank You, Reximus | Talk to Me! 03:40, June 14, 2014 (UTC)


I've noticed this [hide]/[show] thing on the government simulation page before you edited it out. I could really use it for some of my stuff, so, could you tell me how you've done it, that'd be great.

SkyGreen24 - Join the party 18:46, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

Guten Tag

Can You Put Me In The Centrist Party in the Goverment Simulator Please?

Or Do I Have to Be A Senator or TSPF Member?.Likercat (talk) 11:58, June 16, 2014 (UTC)

1535 spanish colonization

Spanish colo 1535

Heres my colo including the expansions for all the expanding vassals currently The Wings of Freedom #FP Wings of freedom 2 (Talk to Me)

Jewish in the netherlands

please read my response to the new mod event. i will not budge on that topic. if it limited to some attitudes ill agree but i will not stand for a state i am playing to publicly intolerant of jewish specially since historically the netherlands were religiously open and were a safe haven for jewish. not to mention jewish are amajor part of my acedemic and economic elite. if i can put up with a catholic minority i can put up with a jewish minority. With Blood and Iron (talk) 00:26, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

do appriciate it also the dutch colonial empire needs to be made on the map. With Blood and Iron (talk) 01:44, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

Even if it was accidentally not colored, and i expanded there by mistake, i only did remove their extra lands because you, in the proccess of fixing the map, simply removed the pixels i had spent expanding there without even bothering to realocate them somewhere else.Since you had done that, i had no way of knowing how many pixels i lost, so i had to reverse the area to the way it was in the 1530 map to recover my lost pixels.So, next time, try to count the pixels that you are going to remove from the area and put them in another place in the colony instead of just removing them.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 11:37, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

P.S. - And while we're at it, can you acknowledge my colonies' expansion?--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 11:37, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

And about that, i usually expand 40 pixels at year in both colonies, which gives me a expansion rate of 200 pixels each map (until 1540, when i will be starting to expand each colony by 50 pixels a year [i just discovered that the limit was 100, not 80], and then we'll have a rate of 250 pixels a map.) .The northern colony expands along the northern coast, and there is no direction given to the southern colony.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 11:29, June 19, 2014 (UTC)


Mind doing the algo for us all and ill look it over and then grab an unbiased mod to check it over The Wings of Freedom #FP Wings of freedom 2 (Talk to Me)

Can i Join Another Party?

I'we Noticed that The Progressive Party is more Popular, Can i Join It instead of the Centrist Party, Im Asking for Permission because i think that if you join a Party you must be a Member Forever.Likercat (talk) 10:42, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

1540 Spain map

Hey im working on my map will post in a few The Wings of Freedom #FP Wings of freedom 2 (Talk to Me)

Spain Colo 1540


All right, sick of this. I keep having to remove the extra PMIII category you continue to insist on improperly adding to images, and now you're started to add it back on some. Cut it out. Lordganon (talk) 13:33, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Suri Empire

Since I'm the Suri Empire in PMIII, could you please put me on the map? --Agent001 12:38, June 22, 2014 (UTC)

I don't know why didn't you do the map for 1545, but in case that you choose to use Feud's 1545 map as a base for the 1550 map, add 500 pixels for each of my colonies, because Feud either thinks that i don't expand or he didn't add my expansion on purpose because i'm competing for land against him.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 12:42, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

I thought that now that you knew my expansion rate, you would update my expansion in the map.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 13:55, July 11, 2014 (UTC)


just a question, i see that you have a bunch of dots on your profile that you usually edit. i was wondering why are the dots there and why do you edit them? Saturn (Talk/Blog) 14:56, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry.since it was 1560, i thought that that was already the map and that the naming was simply another error on standardizing, such as the many that have been committed in the last days.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 09:48, July 12, 2014 (UTC)


I already asked Crim, and now I'm asking you. I would like to rejoin PMIII as Thailand. Please? You seem reasonable enough. Flag of the Hurian Federation Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 17:16, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

Hey big guy. I header things aren't going well in Austria and that you will be annexed soon. I hope this doesn't force you to give up in PM3 altogether. In fact I hope inspires you to further your moves and more decisively choose your allies. I hope if in the chance you do lose as Austria you come back as an Islamic nation and join the UIN. Let me know if you already made plans, or if you plan to join near me and we can create an alliance. - SwankDaddy. SwankyJ (talk) 07:14, July 15, 2014 (UTC)


You clearly put a lot of effort into trying to help me improve my nation. Thanks. However, I'm not sure your recommendations are all correct. I'm entirely aware of the existence of the Innu. However, my nation, as you may be aware, is ethnically (at least in origin) Mi'kmaq (hence the name L'nu, which means people in that language). I didn't make up a nonexistent tribe. Instead, I had a subdivision of a real ethnic group act differently. The Naskapi were resettled some time ago, while the remaining Innu have been pushed back into the interior.

Furthermore, you seem to have commented that I didn't or don't actually own much of the territory. However, I have legitimately expanded into this territory over the course of 60 years.  Much of it is only claimed; any real settlement exists only on water routes (although the reservoir was a mistake on my part - I failed to realize it wasn't an old watercourse.). However, it follows the Romaine River over its southward course and was meant to follow the Churchill over its northward course. If it fails to follow watercourses, it was amistake due to insufficient diligence on my part.

I recognize that this territory wasn't historically controlled by the Mi'kmaq,  and that it overlaps the Innu. But now the Mi'kmaq have expanded into it, perfectly legimitately, the same way, say, Cahokia or Albion has expanded.  I have just as much right to expand in weird shapes as Spain (which expanded randomly across the whole of South America, including the Andes), Madagasikara (Mozambika) or (previously) Oyo. Spanish bullshit

Now, about my colony. Again, there's really no reason I need to control the territory in between to establish it, as it can be reached by sea or along the Chisasibi River (or La Grande) fairly easily. It's mainly for the purpose of trapping fur, and mostly expands in order to claim good fur land. I hope this shows you that my nation is actually fairly plausible and, insofar as anything on an althistory wiki, factual.  Krasnoyarsk (talk)  

Well, I have mentioned fighting and defeating the Innu in multiple posts in the past. My status as a protectorate of Albion ( and thus access to European technology) and possession of a modern, European-style military makes it entirely possible to defeat scattered, disunited and not populous tribes like the Innu. Mostly, however, I simply expanded into land, forcing the Innu, who, as mentioned earlier were not at all populous and already migratory, to shift northwards. Even today, the Innu number only 18,000. In the 1500s, after smallpox, cholera and plague epidemics, they numbered around 5-8000. Moreover, disease would have led them to eschew conttact with Europeans. My greater organization and larger population meant the disease had a lesser effect, and I could occupy the previously Innu territories. 5000 disunited hunter-gatherers can't do much in response. As a result, I was able to resettle several tribes of the Innu as vassals and drive the rest north. 

In the Beaver Wars, the Iroquois, who had access to technology and a larger population, totally crushed the Innu and basically rampaged through their territories at will. Similar situation, but different goals.

You have an entirely valid point about the borders though. A native tribe may not have expanded that way. Could my nation be added with these borders instead? They avoid most of the Innu population concentrations (I think) and are more realistic, while fulfilling the expansion in terms of size. I'd really like to be on this next map, if possible.  Krasnoyarsk (talk)   

New l'nu

More reasonable?

Thanks a lot!Krasnoyarsk 16:23, July 15, 2014 (UTC)


I'll address the thing later, but I'll leave you in the point of stating that losing land to avoid losing land makes no sense. Plus, it's a bit obvious what you were trying to do (avoid Crim's Scandinavia from invading) so that's also a bit metagamey.

As for the Tatar princess, her name is Aygöl. Fed (talk) 23:56, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

Treaty of Fughking

Hey i added my own terms because some of yours didnt seem right, Particularly you having any troops in MY kingdom of Italy, when i took that front. Also i never agreed to an alliance. NAP and Guarentee were all i agreed for. Do not put that in without telling me. No alliance. The Wings of Freedom #FP Wings of freedom 2 (Talk to Me)

"Licensing", not "License"

I do believe I've already mentioned to you that the proper way to add licenses on files is:

== Licensing ==
{{From Wikimedia}}



{{From Wikimedia}}

I believe I also told you that the licensing template can automatically be added to the file page on the upload screen. Just after the "summary" section will include a list of licensing categories. Just pick the one that has "Wikipedia" in the same. All in all, you shouldn't need to be adding them after the fact.

Please try not to let this happen again. -- NuclearVacuum Flag of Alaska (Russian America) 14:55, July 17, 2014 (UTC)

Glad to see that you've done many by yourself. However, you still didn't do as I asked. Now they all say:

{{From Wikimedia}}
There's still that BIG gap and the missing spaces between "Licensing." I would like you to please correct the remaining files you've already done. Since I had to go and correct 100+ files myself, I really don't want to have to do this again. -- NuclearVacuum Flag of Alaska (Russian America) 15:30, July 17, 2014 (UTC)

There may be no visual difference, but there is a difference. Each article has lines of code (which is what I work from). Any stray lines look out of place and add to the amount of space on the article.

Forgive me but I wasn't expecting you to have actually been doing some on your own at the time I was editing. I still had to go through 100+ articles before I realized you were also doing it (just from the other end). That was still time I had to go through for something I previously mentioned to you. I just wish it wasn't from an image dump as you've been doing these past few days. -- NuclearVacuum Flag of Alaska (Russian America) 15:39, July 17, 2014 (UTC)

I classify any single user uploading enough files in a short amount of time which takes up the majority of the "New Files" page to be an image dump.
You still aren't doing it right. Since images are your thing, here is how I want it.


-- NuclearVacuum Flag of Alaska (Russian America) 16:05, July 17, 2014 (UTC)


Well, its like that: we began the game with the Western Schism still going on.Until 1431: those were the Popes:

Avignon Popes

  • Benedict XIII (Pedro Martínez de Luna - ARA) (1328-1407)
  • Benedict XIV (Berenguer d'Anglesola - ARA) (1330-1410)
  • Pius II (Pierre Girard - PRO) (1340-1415)
  • Victor IV (Miguel de Zalba - NAV) (1370-1431)

Roman Popes

  • Boniface IX (Piero Tomacelli - NAP) (1350-1404)
  • Innocent VII (Cosimo de Migliorati - NAP) (1339-1406)
  • John XXIII (Bálint Alsani - HUN) (1330-1413)
  • Alexander V (Baldassare Cossa - NAP) (1370-1415-1419)

Alexander V abdicated in 1415. With the Avignon papacy prevailing, the Roman Popes would be considered Antipopes.So, Urban VI and Boniface IX would have to be removed from the Pope list.

So, the thing you were talking about was that Antipope Alexander V abdicated, and Victor IV was elected in his place and ruled until 1431.

And about that last detail (all popes were supposed to abdicate and a new one be elected), i didn't know about that.When were they supposed to abdicate? because maybe there could be some coincidence in the dates of papal election.Ah, and i fixed some parts of your list.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 11:59, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

When was the Council of Constance?--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 12:13, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

RE:Category and Template

Isn't the point of sub-categories that you don't put them all into one single.

All right, sick of this. I keep having to remove the extra PMIII category you continue to insist on improperly adding to images, and now you're started to add it back on some. Cut it out.

This was one of LG's warnings to you. I was trying to help, but I'll stop if you want. FirstChairmanLogo(Sky)SkyGreen24 - Join the partyFirstChairmanLogo(Sky) 13:52, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

What on earth do you think you're doing? Going against my warning, and then telling other people to go and do the same thing? Sheesh.

That is not only going against a warning/rules, but encouraging others to do the same. Count yourself lucky I don't block you.

Consider this a final warning.

Lordganon (talk) 08:17, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

Reply: PM3 Map Naming

Sorry Ms, I didn't even think of that. Ill add my name in the map next time. SwankyJ (talk) 21:10, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

Hey, Ms!

Hello, I am new to the wiki, and have slight experience of editing in the past. I was looking around and became interested in Principia Moderni III. I've read the rules, and understand most of it. I was looking at the maps and the signups, and I think I want to begin as one of the three nations that Sri Lanka is located now. So what I am asking is do you know the names of the three kingdoms, and which might be easier to play?

Thanks for helping :D NicDonalds, Beginning Editor Talk 17:31, July 30, 2014 (UTC)

Colony and Gibraltar

The colony may be sold back soon, and Gibraltar is an error Ill leave you my map here in a few need to update it with me new expansions etc etc The Wings of Freedom #FP Wings of freedom 2 (Talk to Me)

Hey regardless of the name of this map. its the correct one i just forgot to name it correctly The Wings of Freedom #FP Wings of freedom 2 (Talk to Me)

PMIII 1580 Spain

Re: Sri Lanka

Thanks for welcoming me *inserts happy face*. After doing a little reasearch, I think you are correct. Also, after talking to some other moderators, I added the nations to the signup list. If you find out that the information is incorrect you can contact me again :) .

Thanks for your help, see you another day. Flippedlion NicDonalds, Beginning Editor Talk Lionsymbol 00:44, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Treaty of paris edits

Do not change the map on the treaty of Paris again. Your map IS NOT the correct map, YOU HAVE NO SAY in how the map is YOU LOST. Furthermore i do not appreciate you taking Venice back when it was restored to its previous position UNDER SPAIN. it will remain as such. Do not edit that page any further. Any further edits aside from your signtaure ill consider Vanadalism and report as such The Wings of Freedom #FP Wings of freedom 2 (Talk to Me)

No.. cause then youll come around later and say Venice is all yours. Its my color nuff said. The Map is incorrect im telling you that now. Dont edit that page The Wings of Freedom #FP Wings of freedom 2 (Talk to Me)


Hey Ms, I thought you might take interest the Second Age of Imperialism map game. As you may take notice, there are some spots reserved for users.

The users are selected on their reputation and map gaming experience. Because I have seen you as a suitable fit for one of these nations, I am offering you a spot as a reserved nation. Saturn (Talk/Blog) 20:49, August 2, 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ms. I am just wondering why you have made 437 edits to your User page with adding nothing other than "."

What do they signify/represent?

Also, please feel free to check this out and come chat with me (and whoever else uses it) -- User blog:Reximus55/Chat Replacement.

Thanks, Reximus | Talk to Me! 22:56, August 2, 2014 (UTC)

DAC New England

I love that Idea. If you need some help let me know.  I am pretty busy as of late so if the page (Boston) doesn't get updated don't think I have changed my mind. 

Just to clear something up: The Crown of Boston is like the Crown of Aargon, where each peice is a kingdom united by a common monarch I am on the edge... The EdgeofNight 00:00, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

Just as an FYI, I am going to rewrite Boston's page, mostly the origins section, I think that the Presidency of Boston would be governed by the royal house of the Grand Presidency of New England. I am on the edge... The EdgeofNight 18:52, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

Ah ok, that makes perfect sense. I am on the edge... The EdgeofNight 19:12, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

Mary and Alfred.FOR THE GLORY OF THE PARTY! 02:52, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

Mary was born in 1582 Alfred in 1586FOR THE GLORY OF THE PARTY!

Chancellor stuff

Hey can you hop on chat, I want to talk to you about chancellor-y stuff? Thanks. Cookiedamage (talk) 22:31, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, will do. Cookiedamage (talk) 22:39, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

Hey, cant really post. Am in Istanbul. My heir got married, so well talk later about it. SkyGreen24(Party,quotes) 07:23, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

How did you manage to record all your royal familes? I desperately need to create a similar tree but have no idea where to start or how, as I don't have many dates until Richard IV. Also, While I know that Alfred is still fairly young, is it possible to web him in the future to someone from the House Hapsburg?FOR THE GLORY OF THE PARTY! 12:56, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

Well, my current King is João IV.he only has one son, Afonso, who is 18 years old as of 1592.If i am supposed to offer wives for you, the only ones available are the oldest nieces of João IV, Urraca Manrique de Figueroa and Teresa Manrique de Figueroa, 19 and 17 years old as of 1592, respectively.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 15:42, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

I'd like to stick with Alfred, I plan on having Mary assume the throne, and cause a bit of a controversy while doing so.FOR THE GLORY OF THE PARTY! 17:57, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

I want better relations with Austria, but I don't want to be tied down if someone makes a move against my allies. That and I don't think I have any females left for claim right now. Other people claimed them all ;_; CrimsonAssassin-See you, space cowboys 18:44, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

I'm okay with the three options.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 07:04, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Austrian Colonies

I dont see any issues but my main thing (just in case) is that dont touch Kongo or the Kongo river basin whatsoever that includes both OTL Congo nations and the entire river basin. im pretty sure you even signed a treaty following the oyo war as did every major North america the islands are pretty much fine no issues The Wings of Freedom #FP Wings of freedom 2 (Talk to Me)

Follow the Border down to me and then when im able im going to expand inland to meet up with the Current amount of the Kongo River i own. that should sufficiently seal it all off for me go for what whatever else down there. Just watch where you expand inland for stuff when the time comes The Wings of Freedom #FP Wings of freedom 2 (Talk to Me)

Hey on second thought you do need to slow the hell down on the african colonialism, way to fast up the river, too many diseases, and theres no mayn excuses and its over quite a wide area. The Wings of Freedom #FP Wings of freedom 2 (Talk to Me)

Map displacement

Hey i need you to fix whatever is wrong with south america and its pixel displacement, and any pixels that are just left hanging on just add to the nearest interior expansion from either colony or Mapuche please The Wings of Freedom #FP Wings of freedom 2 (Talk to Me)

Just add it anyways, he wont hold it in the long run The Wings of Freedom #FP Wings of freedom 2 (Talk to Me)

Re:DAC Stuff

Hey, sorry I couldn't reply to your messages for a while, as I was away. Now I'm back and editing though, so let's get started:

  • The Northeastern seaboard, as we all know, was and still is one of the most densely populated regions in North America, leading it to be one of the more devastated. Some of the survivors would definately head westward and northward towards the wilder country. Many would head along major rivers due to the ease of transport and lack of rough terrain to get robbed or lost in. The Connecticut River is the biggie in New England, but many Bostonians would use the Merrimack River due to its proximity. Both rivers lead into New Hampshire, so it would definately get its fair share of refugees, so your higher population in the region could be justified. It could also lead to an "upcountry-downcountry" feud throughout all of New England.
  • Refugee communities would swell the population of major riverside cities in the region (Manchester/Nashua/Concord area would be especially affected in New Hampshire). Conflicts would occur, and I think your religion could be founded out of this chaos, and you could use it and the conflict to do some interesting stuff in the region.
  • Eventually peace would occur, and the religion could begin to spread throughout the more remote regions of New England. You could easily have religious conflicts in the region, but keep in mind the Quebecois to the north might wage some wars of conquest in the region. I can easily see Quebecois French mixing with American English in northern New England if conquest is successful.
  • The New England-New York wars would occur, probably in Vermont/Adirondack region and history could repeat itself with the Vermonters trying to remain independent and a part of New England. Be aware that I am in charge of Upstate New York at the moment, and I have plans for a monastic Unionist state in Central New York loosely holding Adirondack baronies.
  • I have made a good deal of notes on the Viking-type people, and will work that into a page fairly soon, so be aware of that.

I appreciate your suggestions, and will look forward to seeing future work. I also can help, as I have several ideas for the region.

The notes I took on the "Vikings" were mostly notes on people in boreal and subarctic Canada, who (in my notes) hold the far northern reaches of Lake Superior.

I also am contemplating the idea of a name change for the timeline, as "Days After Chaos" is technically a placeholder name, but I forgot about it until recently. What are your thoughts?


No real set answer. Some writing would go in a person's category, some in a coat of arms or flag category, others in images. Depends on the function of that makes any sense. That one you referenced goes in images.

As an fyi: That PMIII category thing? Already told you how it needs to go several times.

Lordganon (talk) 16:10, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

Ms, hey. So, as Livonia, I was wondering if a Mintage Center could be opened in Riga? Riga has arich history of coinage, and it would make sense for there to be a minting center aimed at the more northern reaches of the HRE. Also, if you ever can hop onto chat to talk to me about being in the HRE, or send Tr0llis to fetch me for another chat, please do so.

Thanks, Reximus | Talk to Me! 09:17, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

New Timeline

So you probably already noticed but I finally made a timeline out my various Viking studies, called The Old Boar Suffered. Right now it's a pile of stubs about the Great Heathen Army. If you get a chance check it out. I could really use your help making some articles. Feel free to work on some of the history and I will look over it. Anyway I have to go for the night, so tomorrow if you're available we can get to work. I'm in this sort of friendly rivalry with Rex after he used my research for his own timeline. Let's see what we can do, Rex and Liker vs Tr0llis and the "Prophet". Get ready to break stuff and get hype. Tr0llis (talk) 04:16, August 17, 2014 (UTC)

Got it. Good work on the externals section by the way. I will add some more sources soon, although be warned they will probably be stolen by Rex haha. Tr0llis (talk) 16:23, August 17, 2014 (UTC)

Looks like Lordganon is on so I will await his response. Looks like he's deleting other stuff, so that kind of sucks. Anyway, now we wait. Tr0llis (talk) 17:25, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

I asked some people on chat and they said they liked the way the quotes on the page looked. Nice work! Tr0llis (talk) 20:33, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

Hey do you think you could get a map together for the British Isles? Just so we have something to go off of. Tr0llis (talk) 21:15, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

PM3 Question

Did the three people of your family that were available for marriage already were wed?--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 08:24, August 17, 2014 (UTC)

Please accept my 1597 Diplomacy, which includes the Mint at Riga and integration of Saare-Laane into the HRE. Thank you. Reximus | Talk to Me! 03:21, August 18, 2014 (UTC)


Actually, I'd be glad to have your help. You're an excellent writer. That said, the reason I need Fed's help is because half the nations involved here are his, and I know little or nothing compared to the guy who made them. Still, it'd be nice to have some help.

        Centriflag   Tonight the foxes will hunt the hounds!  17:19, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

Basic plotline goes like this;

Isiro, a dictatorship in the Northern Congo, had it's "Emperor" assassinated a year ago or so. Since then, governments have been fighting against the militant group DPI. 

From there it spirals into Kivu, and nearby nation, and then Uganda and Rwanda from there, as Kivu is part of an alliance in those former nations- which have rivals. This draws in Katanga and Zaire, which in turn draws in Cabinda and all 3 Angolan nations. Botswana joins to attack the Soviet Kingdoms of Angola. That draws in Zambia.

Note, the war will be "ongoing" till late 2015, 2016. Not all of those things have occurred yet. We're just about at the Cabinda stage right now.

        Centriflag   Tonight the foxes will hunt the hounds!  18:26, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

I think I have addressed said concerns. This area is a hodgepodge of past violence and current tensions. Trust us. Between Impo, myself, and Feddy, we either wrote or adopted all the nations in the area.

        Centriflag   Tonight the foxes will hunt the hounds!  20:47, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

Re:The Old Boar Suffered

Thank you. I am going to be working on the Insular Celtic nations in the TL, namely the ones in Ireland and Cornwall. —Bfoxius (talk)

I recently made a map of Ireland around the time when The Old Boar Suffered's POD occurs. I'll be using it as a template for future maps of the region as the TL develops. Mind if you add it to the main map? —Bfoxius (talk)

Nice map. Waterford, Wexford, Cork, and Limerick were Norse outposts though, so you'd want to recolor them. Also, be aware that I anglicized all of the names of the nations in Ireland and I noticed that Dublin is known as Dyflynn on the map, so you might want to decide to anglicize the names or not. On the subject of the colors of the nations, I must admit that I'm a big fan of cultures being colored similar colors on the map, but not a big fan of the current scheme where nations that share the same culture are colored the same color. I think that the, say, Norse nations should be colored various shades of, say brown, rather than one uniform color to show they are the same culture while at the same time differentiating between them. You also forgot to add the name of Limerick to the map.

Just my two cents. —Bfoxius (talk)

I'm on chat right now. —Bfoxius (talk)


Please confirm or deny if anonymous edits here are acceptable or deniable? I mean not talkpages but articles themselves. I ask that because I see here many reverts upon anonymous edits from various IPs. 16:41, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

Re:New Nation 

I started as the Eastern Swampy Cree (renamed the Nehilaw) in 1601. The other two Cree nations (linguistically and culturally virtually identical and ATL historically united) were vassalized over the past 5 years. Admittedly, this is quick vassalization, but the other two nations were so highly similar and seemed to have been arbitrarily split after Missisipia's collapse that I considered it excusable. Thanks! Shikata ga nai 00:40, August 25, 2014 (UTC) 

Fair enough. In that case, my nation looks like this photo. Could you add it to the map?
Shikata ga nai 11:11, August 25, 2014 (UTC)


Are you willing to trade part of your Cameroon colony for it? The Wings of Freedom #FP Wings of freedom 2 (Talk to Me)

Why is my map game marked for deletion?

look, I am new to making map games, so tell me, what do I have to do to improve it?

My Map game

sorry about the misuderstanding. I'll move it to the Future wiki

Flag of New Swabia (Great White South)Fireurchin: Destroyer of worldsRome Shield 18:01, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

Color Signatures?


How do i make "Color Signatures"? like Signatures and it has a/some color on it? example: the first words of the sig is either blue or something and the second on is another,because on my (new) sig i want red on the "poland" and white on the "Stronk!" how do i make that?. Poland Stronk! (talk)

It's perfect!, and by template you mean i should just copypaste it?


I didn't remove my signature because Rex asked me to, I removed it because the treaty doesn't concern me, and only deals with repercussions against him. But in any case, the whole thing hear appears as a vendetta against a person controlling a minor state, and is all around pathetic. I am that guy (talk) 20:55, September 2, 2014 (UTC)


Dammit, you edit conflicted me doing the exact same thing xD         Centriflag   Tonight the foxes will hunt the hounds!  22:53, September 2, 2014 (UTC)

Eric IX

Thanks for pointing that out! Yan Hoek (talk) 11:45, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

I've already got some of your new pictures of Danish & Norwegian monarchs on the equiv Kalmar pages... you know, trying not to duplicate things and all... Yan Hoek (talk) 21:46, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

Wanna come to chat to discuss this Hungary border annex? SkyGreen24(Party,quotes) 10:28, September 5, 2014 (UTC)

Question about the Goverment Simulation

Is the goverment simulation that you created back in June (or July) is it still active or has it died out?, because it hasn't been updated and such, if it is not active, would you consider brining it up?, because it was one of the most greatest ideas on this wiki, thanks Poland Stronk! 14:21, September 5, 2014 (UTC)

by the way, why is nobody showing interest for the legalisation vote Poland Stronk! 09:48, September 6, 2014 (UTC)

Treaty with Scandi

So i definitely said i was going to be making the terms and right now my proposal is the only proposal thats going to fly right now.

Your taking way too much 20% does not mean you get to take a legitimate 20%. It means for the most part if its enough to enforce your wargoals and maybe a little extra. you actually have to go and take his colonies to enforce anything over there. Also your violating westminster by trying to do essentially dismantle anything he has in europe plus in the americas, you will legitimate collapse him which warrants me every right to do what needs to be done.

I have given a reasonable treaty which is the ONLY treaty we will be using. Since France nearly got involved over this crap then i guarantee my thoughts about forcing a reasonable treaty is warranted.

Nope cant really do much when you didnt even take the actual territory... no cosolidations nothing. no releasing you dont have that ability. Its been said right now The Wings of Freedom #FP Wings of freedom 2 (Talk to Me)

1983: Doomsday

Hi, i would like to join 1983: Doomsday but how do i join?, do i have to be a experienced user?, and lastly is it still active?, thank you. User:Likercat (talk) 15:46, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

Oh ok thank you, i didn't see the message att the talk page. User:Likercat (talk) 19:02, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

So i just read the 1983DD rules, create a nation, and mark it as a proposal?. User:Likercat (talk) 09:49, September 19, 2014 (UTC)

OK, can you link me the "Nuked locations" page?, i want to pick a location/region. User:Likercat (talk) 10:34, September 19, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, i already picked a town in my mind, and where are the rules page? att the main page? (sorry for so many questions, i am new to 1983DD). User:Likercat (talk) 11:44, September 19, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, well i saw the map lf 1983DD and saw that Southern Poland is not occupied/annexed, i would like to join as them

"Cleaning" Images

Told you before not to do this. There is quite literally no point to it except to get you more posts. Cut it out. Won't tell you again. Lordganon (talk) 15:50, September 21, 2014 (UTC)

Since i am a member of The Oppostion i guess i am a senator, can i then parcipitate in Senate Elections?. User:Likercat (talk) 12:01, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

will you make a blog post for the election on the 27th? what if you forget. User:Likercat (talk) 17:00, September 23, 2014 (UTC)


NO - infrastructure is correct,


EoGuy (talk) 01:19, September 24, 2014 (UTC)

The election should have begun now... User:Likercat (talk) 08:25, September 27, 2014 (UTC)


Are there any open nations? Daeseunglim (talk)


If you use "however" in the middle of a sentence it has to be surrounded by commas.

Normally, it's at the beginning or ending of a sentence, though.


EoGuy (talk) 21:46, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

RE:Isle of Man Flag

Will do. I was just replacing by whatever version is chiefly displayed on the Wikipedia article on Mann. --NFSreloaded (talk) 14:40, October 2, 2014 (UTC)

What Wikipedia tells me is that in the -n file the triskelion is centered on an "imaginary circle created by the prongs of each leg", whereas the -nn file has the symbol centered on the flag itself. Although the latter has my personal preference, I am unsure which flag enjoys official favor. Still, if the authors of the timelines I replaced the file on have a different preference than I, they can undo my edit or ask me to do it for them. --NFSreloaded (talk) 14:54, October 2, 2014 (UTC)
Seems like there's been quite a few changes to the -n file on Wikipedia (about the coloration and centering of the triskelion) since NucVac uploaded it to our wikia, so I updated it to the most recent version. --NFSreloaded (talk) 15:14, October 2, 2014 (UTC)

Your Chat

Would you mind coming onto your chat, I would like your input on some timeline ideas of mine. I am that guy (talk) 20:45, October 2, 2014 (UTC)

a few things id like your help on

mind joining chat a for a sec? id like to run a few things by you. With Blood and Iron (talk) 12:44, October 9, 2014 (UTC)


Thank you for helping me catagorize my pages! Upvoteanthology (talk) 03:17, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

Firstly. I did not know of this page and was doing how it was done the last two games. Secondly, I invented a lot of things, but since nbody reads my posts, and i copy paste, they remain up there for a lot. Also I seriously doubt the others invented the bahrometer or pedulum clock (fun fact. that isn't technically invented until 1655, whic is a little ahead i know, but I have and obsession with clocks.FOR THE GLORY OF THE PARTY! 16:13, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

No, I appreciate the mention of this page, i simply wasn't aware we had a better system in place than previously. Previously we just created a guy and his invention and if it stuck, it stuck, sometimes we would have multiple people create the same thing (I.E the hot air balloon in PMII, both France and Bavaria claimed its invention) Also, the pendulum clock thing could have been worded better, I didn't mean to say I invented all pendulum clocks, merely that a local clocksmith created his own. ALSO, FYI, the first clock of that type was 1656 and we have a rule stating tech cant be made more than ten years ahead, whomever made your clock made it 1644, which isn't possible in my opinion (I.E  Christian Huygens ) FOR THE GLORY OF THE PARTY! 16:27, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

Imperial Reclamation of Mongolia (1653- )

Imperium of Heaven (Aggressor)

  • Location: Next to the location of the war (+20) = +20
  • Tactical advantage: Open fields (+1), siege equipment (+5) = +6
  • Nations: Imperium of Heaven (L+5) = +5/1 = +5
  • Military: Development 22, has not lost past three wars (+10), more troop than enemy (+5), moderately sized armed forces (+3) = 40/20=2
  • Economy: 2+5 = 7,0
  • Motive: Attacking to enforce political (+7), troop morale low (-5) = +2
  • Chance: (10,005/(2*4*8))*pi = 491.119289049 = +9
  • Nation age: Young nation (-5) = -5
  • Population: 3,940,000 (+7), larger population (+2) = +9
  • Recent wars: Three wars (-6) = -6
  • Participation: +10
  • Number of troops: 65,000/11,000 = +5.9 = +6
  • Total: +42

Mongolia (Defender)

  • Location: At the location of the war (+25) = +25
  • Tactical advantage: Open fields (+1) = +1
  • Nations: Mongolia (L+5) = +5/1 = +5
  • Military: +20,0
  • Economy: +14/2=7
  • Infrastructure: +7
  • Motive: Defending homeland from possibly fatal attack (+9)
  • Chance: +2
  • Nation age: -10
  • Population: 3,210,000 (+7) = +7
  • Recent wars: One war (-2) = -2
  • Participation: +10
  • Number of troops: +0
  • Total: +51

please come onto chat

With Blood and Iron (talk) 21:03, October 14, 2014 (UTC)


On the Serbia page of Triple Entente vs. Central Powers could you change the template from NationInfo to NationBox? i have some problems with templating. IrishPatriot (talk) 17:26, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Football in Antarctica

Hey, Godfrey here. Just wanted to say that I really appreciate the help you've been giving me with the football in Antarctica thing. I might add articles about the teams and the cup tournament later on today, and just wanted to say that I've got all the cup winners planned out. I might give you the list later and let you tell me if it's all right or whether I should change some of it. Godfrey Raphael (talk) 03:56, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

Will do. :-) Godfrey Raphael (talk) 10:35, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

I might write up at least one national team tonight. Can you help me with the infobox and such so that it looks like a Wikipedia article? Godfrey Raphael (talk) 11:36, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, man! Godfrey Raphael (talk) 11:53, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry to hear about your problem with GWS and Nuke. Don't worry; I think you've given me enough to go on. Keep on editing! Godfrey Raphael (talk) 14:33, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Re:GWS... Again?

Firstly, you were previously told that I don't wish for your participation in this timeline. I gave Godfrey Raphael permission to work on an article, so why are you getting involved? I will be removing your edits once again.

I'm willing to discuss your participation in Godfrey's article, since it looks like you two were doing behind the door talks.

As for your dilemma, it sounds like a text issue. Texts don't come out right. Best to turn them into objects. I do this by combining the text with another object (something simple like a box). Then remove the box and you have it. -- NuclearVacuum Flag of Alaska (Russian America) 00:52, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Here's the message I left you months ago. [1] As for why? Your past records involve going against timelines, ignoring warnings (one of which you actually damaged the website), and harassing users and timeline caretakers when they reject your work (and this is ignoring the memes you posted of me). To put it frankly, I don't want to deal with these issues so I wished for you to remain out of it.
I understand you were simply helping Godfrey (especially since he wouldn't have known), but you should've. But right now I don't want to argue. I'm willing to revert your work on this one article, provided that Godfrey is okay with this. If no trouble comes of this, I'm willing to lift this ban. -- NuclearVacuum Flag of Alaska (Russian America) 01:28, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

LG is on the top of the list, with your arguments and harassment on 1983: Doomsday being a noted one. I can probably go through the TSPTF message board and find more, but I don't wish to bug you with the details.

As I mentioned before, I don't wish to punish Godfrey for something you did. Because of which, I'm more than willing to allow you to work on this one page, provided that Godfrey himself would favor this. I also may see how well you two cooperate and if I like what I see, I may consider lifting this ban. I've informed Godfrey about this option, and we'll see what he things. -- NuclearVacuum Flag of Alaska (Russian America) 15:31, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and deleted those files. Glad to see the issue resolved. -- NuclearVacuum Flag of Alaska (Russian America) 16:38, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Unification of China (Stage One: 1665-1669)

Imperium of Heaven

  • Location: Close to the location of the war (+20) = +20
  • Tactical Advantage: Open fields (+1), siege equipment (+5) = +6
  • Nations per side: Imperium (L+5) = +5/1 = +5
  • Military: Development (+34), not lost past three wars (+10), moderately sized military (+3), more troops (+5), fully mobilized (+5) = +57/1 = +57/7=8
  • Economy: Development: 0
  • Motive: Enforcing political hegemony (+7), non-democratic government supported by people (+4), morale high (+5) = +16
  • Participation: +10
  • Chance: (10,071/(1*6*4*4))*pi = 247.179528237 = +9 (yay)
  • Population: 4,138,000 (+7), larger population (+2) = +9
  • Recent wars: One (-2) = -2
  • Participation: +10
  • Number of troops: 88,300/13,900 = +6
  • Total: +97


  • Location: At the location of the war (+25) = +25
  • Tactical advantage: Open fields (+1) =+1
  • Nations per side: Mongolia (L+5) = +5/1 = +5
  • Military: 14, small armed forces (-2), much smaller armed forces (-5) = 7, 0
  • Economy: 14, smaller economy (-2) = +12
  • Infrastructure: 6
  • Motive: They gon die (+9), non-democratic government supported by people (+4), troop morale low (-5) = +8
  • Chance: +5
  • Population: 3,591,000 (+7) = +7
  • Participation: +10
  • Number of troops: +13,900/88,300 = 0
  • Total: +73


Question about NotLah 2

Are you planning on making a Sequel to NotLah? if yes, then when?. IrishPatriot (talk) 19:55, October 31, 2014 (UTC)


Alright then, but why do we even have that category to begin with? Saturn (Talk/Blog) 23:06, November 1, 2014 (UTC)

I just came across the category, and saw that every other user didn't have it. Btw, I had no intentions of doing "Spam Edits". I thought it was an official category, and trying to fix it up. Saturn (Talk/Blog) 23:16, November 1, 2014 (UTC)

Get out of Guns' Kick Free

For your services to the squirrevolution and Guns' sense of humor, I present to you this Get out of ONE Guns Kick Free card. Use it wisely, young Padawan...

Following it's use, please delete the image but retain this message.

        Centriflag   Tonight the foxes will hunt the hounds!  02:51, November 3, 2014 (UTC)


Your Guns kick card has been USED.

        Centriflag   Tonight the foxes will hunt the hounds!  01:56, November 14, 2014 (UTC)


Can you hop on chat for a second? Thanks. Saturn (Talk/Blog) 03:38, November 4, 2014 (UTC)

But if it did in fact exist even during Hasburg rule, that means it's still Bohemian since it was conquered but didn't revolt. SkyGreen24(Party,quotes) 13:39, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Re:TE vs. CP Navy

Hello, MS, I was actually looking for you to help me with the basics of navy. I have not done full research into navies, so some of it is probably implausible. The Naxos and Socrates class ships are actually based off OTL ships given to Greece (Thyella and Niki). I don't know whether the Corfu class is plausible enough, but I am looking for your opinion on it. Please help me on the plausibility of the rest of the ships. To clarify, the Copenhagen-class is not the same as yours, I used the name because George I was actually a Danish prince that came from copenhagen. I'd be fine with changing the name, but again tell me if those ships are plausible or not. I will also remove the implausible dreadnoughts from Italy. I agree to what you said in your post that we should make a deal to develop our navies further (This would include ordering Dreadnoughts from you).

I'd like to meet some time to discuss the topic with you. Thank you for clarifying and assisting me. Flippedlion NicDonalds, Beginning Editor Talk Lionsymbol 16:07, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

My bad. I thought you spammed, actually. And Sat was banned too AFAIK, just by MP, not me.

        Centriflag   Tonight the foxes will hunt the hounds!  23:56, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, but that page is blank for a reason- Impo, Feddy, and I have plans related to it.

        Centriflag   Tonight the foxes will hunt the hounds!  00:31, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Before revising the Winter War algorithm, I need to know who makes up your coalition.AP (talk) 00:23, November 21, 2014 (UTC)


Hey Ms. I know you are knowledgeable in Latin, so I was wondering if you could help me with something. I am working on a new timeline and in it, I am changing the names of the calendar months. I want to name them based on numbers (like Quintilis, September, etc), but I'm not sure what form they should be in. If you could tell me what the months 1 to 4 would be called in number form, that would be great. Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving.

            Great Seal of the United States (obverse)    SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   19:48, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks for all the help. I changed all the I's to J's because it seemed easier. Also, did they continue to use consular years after the empire came into existence?

            Great Seal of the United States (obverse)    SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   21:24, November 27, 2014 (UTC)


No, that was more for LG's benefit. 

Actually, I said that- and I quote- "Once you resolve those issues, it can be gradded."

I then actually told you everything that you needed to change.


        Centriflag   The center is collapsing, the right wing is retreating; situation excellent, am going on attack!  00:09, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

What I actually said was, that I recanted my objection about the food issue, but that the other problems still reamined- and then I gave the refugee crisis as an example.

It's way too big, the history only covers up to 2010- what, did time stop in Impfondo since then?- the population is fine, but A) can't support territory of that size, and B) can't sustain wars of that kind, especially given the scarcity of weaponry in your region.

Again, there are other things wrong- it also violates some canon- but those are just the big examples.

I also said, at the time, if you'll recall, that this was going to be a coalition of a few small towns near Impfondo- not a f*cking nation-state.

Nice to see that you elaborated more on the non-History part of your article, though. With some work, this should be ready for grad soon.

        Centriflag   The center is collapsing, the right wing is retreating; situation excellent, am going on attack!  00:38, November 30, 2014 (UTC) ImpfondoDD

That's a more realistic idea of what this should look like. Note that since this is a coalition of towns, not a Nation-state- which we agreed upon- there is no AoI since technically the entirety of the territory is AoI.

        Centriflag   The center is collapsing, the right wing is retreating; situation excellent, am going on attack!  00:41, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

There are two rules to editing DD; your page must follow canon and must be plausible. At the moment, Impfondo is neither, and not even close.

You don't like my map, get a new one- that's just a pretty rough estimate of size. The size you used is WAY too big- there's no way it's gradding with anything more than a third to a quarter.

"City"-states? No; not one of the towns you have here would be larger than 4-5,000 people. They barely qualify as "Village"-states.

Your cities would not be able to communicate or govern over distances of the lengths you proposed. The difference is, with Nunavat, that they have planes, radio, the internet; you would have oxen and carts, to cross hundreds of miles. Not happening.

Doesn't make sense, food-wise, either, since several of these cities aren't self-sufficient, and can't be- are you REALLY going to lug hundreds of tons of food across hundreds of miles? Hell, no! Besides, they'd be dead.

Any weapons you had in 1983 are gone, period. Any weaponry manufacturing capabilities are ALSO gone. This is a TINY state- people are making food, not guns.

Actually, you agreed on chat that is NOT a nation-state, it's a coalition of towns, no real central government. If you're going back on that now, sure- but hey, it doesn't make sense and wouldn't happen.

Violates canon in many ways, Not that you're incapable of reading, but- for instance- the CAR owns most of Dongou district.

Oh, and a democracy? Hell, no. By no way is that happening. It's not even on the books. Even in the individual towns, maybe some sort of tribal democracy is the best you'll get.

Again- Zaire was a stubgrad, first off. Secondly, it was like that BECAUSE ITS OWNER LEFT, and IT DID NOT VIOLATE CANON. If you left now after fixing the canon problems with this article, and LG or myself or someone didn't adopt it, then it would probably be stubbed. Since you HAVEN'T left, no, you aren't getting one.

Zaire doesn't stop in 2012, it stops in 2013, and that's only cause the 2013 part isn't done yet. When the event finishes- in 2015, as it happens- all the pages involved will be updated. 

Oh, and as for your comment about me not letting you write whatever the hell you want...

Hey, if you want to write history that doesn't fit DD, go right ahead! Just don't do it in DD!

        Centriflag   The center is collapsing, the right wing is retreating; situation excellent, am going on attack!  01:27, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

The map was to show size, not exact location.

Uhh, no. Yes, rivers exist; that's the only reason that there COULD BE any linkage of multiple towns. What you have there? WAY TOO MUCH. You're not getting more than roughly a radius of about 50 miles, bit more.

No, my point is that not every town here can be self sufficient, especially towards the edges of your "nation", so you would NEED to have some transporting of foods and goods. Even by river, as I said, 50 mile radius.

I see two reasons. I called them "rust", and "dirt". They tend to be caused by this other little thing called "age"- even the mighty AK-47, the most popular gun over here, would be dead and gone by the late 2000s. (And that's according to army stats- I feel like they know what they're talking about.)

And yeah, people love power and money. You know what they love even more than those two? Food. What we're talking here- without any modern tools- is subsistence farming. No one has the time or the ability to get the raw materials needed for a gun, get power working, and start up a gun factory- shit, where would that power come from in the first place? You might get a few musket-like weapons- but in any case, where the hell are you getting gunpowder from? States like Kivu or Zaire, or even Isiro- they have some measure of trade with the outside world, and they have heavy industry. Impfondo checks out the firm "none of the above" here.

Now to the gun smuggling part. Well, you've got an aggressive CAR to the top, who have the biggest arsenal of guns in Central Africa, with the possible exception of Zaire, who are, of course, directly to the south.

But since Impfondo trades by the barter system, what are the farmers going to give them, food? Anyone who's rich enough to be running guns has no trouble getting that. What else? There aren't any mines in Impfondo that could be opened up and run, and anything they could produce would be gotten a lot cheaper up north or down south. If you even talk about industry, I'm going to have to ask exactly who your dealer is, cause that's clearly some strong stuff.

Yeah, that's not clear. Actually, your government section makes it clear that there is something approaching a working democracy here! Make up your mind- are there elections, or not? Is it a DPPR or a one-party system- because the two are wildly different! Don't say things when the page you're writing DIRECTLY contradicts them.

Oh, I apologize for talking about plausibility and canon. Why don't you throw in there a few faeries, and make them cast a spell that makes the rest of the world swear fealty to your little TPLAC?

        Centriflag   The center is collapsing, the right wing is retreating; situation excellent, am going on attack!  02:38, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

You're completely misunderstanding what I'm saying, and since I don't think you're stupid, I think you're doing it on purpose.

50 miles between the most central town and the outermost town.

I'm not talking about empty space, I'm talking about the feasibility of governing a city which is more than a week's travel away, when you have neither a means to force them to obey nor an incentive for them to stay. 

Great, one example of an AK-47 surviving for 30 years. The youngest mother in history was 5 years old, that doesn't mean that the average age is around that. If you have an issue, take it up with both the various survivalist forum boards in America and, for that matter, the US army. I'm going to go with the experts, who say that average lifespan is 20 years.

I said no such thing. I actually said that at maximum prodution, according to my various sources, they would have a small surplus given a population of 100,000. But given that you have NO modern tools whatsoever, that would actually be a shortfall. Ain't nothing here but sustenance farming, and that's a fact.

They can make guns OTL, yes. But they require a lot of things that YOU WOULD NOT HAVE.

As a said- if you aren't a farmer, you starved to death 20 years. That's not true in other areas, and in larger, more populous nations- but in your case, it absolutely is. Sure, there are a few warlords, and a few politicians, but they STILL can't produce AK-47s or anything like it.

Ms. Your. Nation. Runs. On. A. Barter. System. There is NOTHING that it produces that would be tradeable. Smuggling WHAT? Trafficking WHAT? Your nation isn't populous enough to have a slave problem- hell, since everyone lives in small villages, that's absolutely not a problem. You don't have a guns problem, or a drugs problem, because *ahem* your nation has nothing to trade for those goods. 

Oil, yes. You know what Oil production requires? 

Well, for starters, it needs the ability to get it out of the ground. You don't have that. Some of the nearby nations do, but they don't really need to, since they get it pretty cheap anyway. Gas prices ain't that high, since most oil-producing nations made it out alive.

Then you need the ability to refine it. Not only do you not have that, but none of the nations near you do. A couple of them could develop it, but since they'd be paying for something that they get much cheaper anyway, that's no good.

Then you need the ability to transport it. Well, that one's easier, cause you just need to send it into other nations nearby, but it would still be hella tough.

So even if you had oil in your territory, you couldn't get it out.

But here's the kicker; YOU DON'T.

According to the IMF, nearly ALL oil reserves in the RoC... are offshore. You DON'T have oil. You DON'T have metals. You DON'T have industry. You DON'T EVEN HAVE A CURRENCY. The ONLY THING YOUR NATION CAN PLAUSIBLY PRODUCE IS FOOD- and you don't even have enough of that.

This state we're talking about? You seem to have some idea that it would be like Katanga, or Kivu, or Zaire. If so- you picked the wrong region. It's not that, and it can't plausibly be that. If your idea involves a superpower, or even a moderately powerful nation-state, in Impfondo, you picked the wrong TL. This nation IS possible- but as a small coalition of towns. A nation-state? An army? A working government? Given where you've put it, and the geopolitical system here- you're out of luck.

Yeah, that's flat out not what that sections says. You don't mention autocracy, power abuse, dictatorship, blah blah blah, not even once. Mention those, and I'll believe it's not a democracy. Talk about how it's supposed to run- and BTW, that's not on the books- and since it's supposed to be a democracy, the article says its a democracy.

        Centriflag   The center is collapsing, the right wing is retreating; situation excellent, am going on attack!  03:37, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Upvoteanthology Secret Santa

I believe I have also signed up. Vinland Flag Upvoteanthology (Talk | Sandbox)

Give aways

Hello I have not been messaged about the person i am about to give a gift to can you plese message me at if i can't get it, thank you -Sergiusz01 (talk) 18:53, December 9, 2014 (UTC)

Let me know

when you're finished.


EoGuy (talk) 03:00, December 13, 2014 (UTC)


Hello Ms, I was alerting you that you are invited to a new closed-group timeline by the name of Knightfall that was thought of by Guns and I. Basically in the TL, Ogedei Khan doesn't die right before the Mongols invade Western Europe and they go on to conquer much of the continent, as the Holy Roman Empire was weak at the time due to the College of Cardinals being busy electing a new Pope in Rome, with the current Holy Roman Emperor, Frederick II, camped outside the walls of Rome. If you are interested, feel free to sign up and we'll get the ball rolling soon hopefully.

—Bfoxius (talk)


I am aware that you have a strange vendetta against NationInfo, but between that offensive infobox of yours and your vandalism on the Zaire page you're in very thin ice. Be VERY careful of what you do. Fed (talk) 00:44, December 16, 2014 (UTC)

Where will you put your comics?

I really enjoyed the comic you made, and want more. But where and how can I find it? Spartian300 (talk) 15:36, December 16, 2014 (UTC)

Okay then. How long will that be? Spartian300 (talk) 15:40, December 16, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Spartian300 (talk) 15:45, December 16, 2014 (UTC)


NOT ok, man. If you had ideas, you should have told me what they were, and we'd have worked out how to merge them. Now we've got two contradictory sections- and while they can be recounciled, you still should have talked to me first. This is a collaborative TL, not a community TL, and this is a community page, seeing as it's basically the whole POD. COLLABORATIVE, man.

It's not a problem this time, but seriously, next time, please talk to me, and we'll work out what we should do. You're as much a member of this as I am, and we need to work together.

        Centriflag   The center is collapsing, the right wing is retreating; situation excellent, am going on attack!  23:02, December 17, 2014 (UTC)

Happy Whatever-doesn't-offend-you

And a merry new year!


Good for, like, 3 uses

        Centriflag   The center is collapsing, the right wing is retreating; situation excellent, am going on attack!  03:42, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

SVG Files

Yeah, hey Mscoree; recently I've tried to upload a couple of SVG files (this one and this one), and I've discovered that I have no clue how to actually properly upload them. Seeing as you seem pretty experienced in this field, I've decided to come and ask you for some help do I can actually learn the proper method of uploading the SVG files. Thanks. Croatia-Australia-Flag RichMill | Talk 13:12, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

I already know how to upload SVGs straight from wikimedia; the only problem I seem to be having is those two files (I made in inkscape). As you said, the canvas sizes are too large, but I frankly have no clue how to crop them down to the size of the images. Thanks again. Croatia-Australia-Flag RichMill | Talk 14:02, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Ms; would you be able to run me through on how to do that?

Croatia-Australia-Flag RichMill | Talk 22:54, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

Cheers; it's all very much appreciated. Croatia-Australia-Flag RichMill | Talk 23:29, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Secret Santa

My Steam name is Bfoxius.

—Bfoxius (talk)

Secret Santa

My Steam name is TechnicallyIAmSean. Tech (talk) 20:28, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

Which pages?

Please tell me which pages I should change back and I will.


EoGuy (talk) 20:39, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

More about zombies

I go back and check them all.



EoGuy (talk) 22:22, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

Going to say this once MS: Don't speak to anyone like you spoke to Eo again. Lordganon (talk) 22:51, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

Bull. It's a spelling mistake. You want it capitalized in certain spots, then bold it or something to differentiate. Not his fault that your "rule" has a spelling mistake and he fixed it.

To accuse him of vandalism like you did is so far over the line, you are lucky I chose to warn you.

Lordganon (talk) 09:04, December 26, 2014 (UTC)

withdrawal is the correct word


EoGuy (talk) 02:18, December 31, 2014 (UTC)


should be surrounded by commas.


EoGuy (talk) 02:20, December 31, 2014 (UTC)


The word is headquartered.


EoGuy (talk) 03:00, January 10, 2015 (UTC)

Last Warning

I'd better warn you. You and your group of friends has been acting extremely insufferably the last few days. Given the facts that 1) You have commited extreme amounts of trolling; flamebait; personal attacks towards other users; spam; and extremely irritable behaviour; 2) you have commited a lot of shady stuff with several of your allies coming back from the dead just to vote for your TSPTF nom; and 3) you have the longest ban log of alternate history wikia history, I'm warning you. Do anything, anything, out of line, and you're gonna be banned for a long time. Fed (talk) 01:47, January 20, 2015 (UTC)


So, how goes Westphalia? I checked out your new page for it... why'd you change the capital and the flag? Just wondering, and Ludwigsburg is a large city that should be in Other Cities... unless you burned it down or something Blocky858 (talk) 07:11, January 25, 2015 (UTC)


It is pretty much what I looking for. Your svg making skills are pretty godlike ms. Viva messaged me stating he was going to have a shot at it too. Would you mind if I chose between the two when both are made? :) 1 Imp (Say Hi?!) 10:54, January 26, 2015 (UTC)

Alright awesome. 1 Imp (Say Hi?!) 12:14, January 26, 2015 (UTC)


I have made some changes to the end of Western Roman Empire and Castile. I had forgotten about those particular plot twists - Muslims overrun Castile, leaving Santiago as the only Christian kingdom; and the Roman Empire is reestablished under the House of Burgundy. Rulers of both countries, of course, appear on my family tree at Descendants of Ragnar. Maybe it's a stretch for one family to appear EVERYWHERE, but I like it nevertheless. Benkarnell (talk) 22:56, February 21, 2015 (UTC)


Last night, I had several mods asking if I unbanned you on PMIII. I didn't for obvious reasons. After hours of asking around and getting to the bottom of this, I discover that you not only lied to evade a ban, but you lied and said that I unbanned you. In light of this and your other actions, I can see now that you really have been working very hard at making this job much harder than it needs to be. I believe you deserve a nice vacation. Six months. You earned it with your hard work! Tell your friends to be extra good while you're gone, because they're next on the chopping block if they act up. Enjoy your vacation!

Crim de la Crème 18:38, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

Dont know how you suckered him into that, but it earned you another month. Enjoy! Lordganon (talk) 11:57, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

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