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Problem with POD[]
You say the POD of this TL is the Manhattan Project failing to develop a nuclear bomb, yet you have the Germans succeeding in driving the Americans out of Europe. Neither event is at all connected to each other. America won the war in Europe without nuclear weapons. Also is this a map game? The fact that you are letting people choose nations suggests that this is a game and not a traditional timeline. Mitro 03:34, March 12, 2011 (UTC)
Also, Hungary was effectively out of the war by that point in time, the Germans had no fuel to exploit their successes in the Bulge, and they did not have the manpower, or anything of the sort, to do anything near this scale either. Mitro's points are completely valid as well. Lordganon 05:21, March 12, 2011 (UTC)
I would like to transform this into a Map Game, so if you want too, erase the whole thing and restart it, would apreciate the help.76.247.139.121 22:23, March 12, 2011 (UTC)Rebelsoldier
Hungary[]
How do you think would be the situtation of Hungary at the time?Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:53, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
Most likely a puppet of Germany, a bit like how Romania was. Matt 00:08, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
Moderators[]
How i can apply to moderator?Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:29, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
Feel free to add yourself in the "Moderator" section, all help are appreciated. Enter Name 22:05, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
Joining[]
It said Japan was open so I've taken over the place. VonGlusenburg 21:09, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
Welcome, VonGlusenburg Enter Name 01:31, April 7, 2011 (UTC)
Hello, why can't people simply reply to my peace treaty & use common sense concerning what I offered? VonGlusenburg 19:38, April 7, 2011 (UTC)
Well you see, a government wants more than it can gain, and since you generously offered to return the occupied territories with little in demand, the rest of the countries are trying to gain as much stuff as they can acquire. And because you have proved that the Pacific Theatre is going to be over very soon, and the Pacific is all up for grabs. Still, nice job with the proper historical response though.
Enter Name 21:57, April 7, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah but I'm still a little confused to the USA, CSA & USSR's reply to my offer. The USSR agreed peace but attacked me because I was in Russia even though I'm not; the USA & CSA haven't replied so I'm taking it they have declined. And now Britain is saying they want me out of China even though they excepted my peace knowing what I planned to do with China! At least the USSR debarcle is sorted out. Now just the Americans...VonGlusenburg 17:28, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
I've just read through the American/CSA stuff in this game. For starters how the hell have the CSA got independence from the USA? Why would they make up & become friends after a recent civil war? How is Japan under a blockade already? I've had no control of Japan until a few years ago so cut me some slack. VonGlusenburg 17:43, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
Dude, this is one messed up game ok? There are things that are not sorted out, if you're going to complain about your nation's state of distress, I'm fine with that, but please try to be productive instead of keep posting your cry to end the insanity of the game. As for the U.S Civil War, Rebelsoldier obviously has a fascination with the whole Union vs. Confederacy, and I try to correct him as I go along.
So what if they got their facts wrong? Correct them! The main content of the Wikia is plausible alternative history, who's saying that they know more stuff about the 1940s than you?
I cannot promise you that the other nation will take pity on Japan, nor will I give you any protection from them. If you wanted to stop the nations of the world harassing you about returning Manchuria to China, and perhaps dictating the west coast of America from the comfort of the White House, well, you should have joined a long time ago. If you don't feel like playing, fine by me, just take your name off the "List of Nations" and be done with it.
Enter Name 22:33, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
I took control of the USA if you dont mind, so can I move in and occupy the Confederacy? JSimcox 16:36, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
The loss of the USA/CSA[]
Since Rebelsolider has now been blocked this means the USA has no one controlling it. Its already been mentioned that the CSA has begun to collaspe, should we say it falls into anarchy & the USA pulls out of the war to re-intergrate the CSA? This would take some years & give good reason behind no one controlling the USA & the USA going into isolation for some years. VonGlusenburg 21:07, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
Woah, I just noticed that.
As for the whole situation, I guess we're going to have to get another player or someone (not you) to replace the USA.
Again, I like to remind you of the fact that the whole thing is messed up, CrimsonAssassin took initiative, and it was good work of him.
For the time being, the U.S pulls out its involvement from both fronts to deal with internal problems until further notice.
Enter Name 01:09, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
Don't worry I didn't want to take over the USA anyway, that wouldn't be fair on the other players VonGlusenburg 16:54, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
I took control of the USA, if you guys dont mind, is it alright if the USA moves in and oocupies the Confederacy in preperation for reintergration? JSimcox 16:34, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
Sure, anything that will clean up the mess that Rebelsoldier made.
Enter Name 19:26, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
Note I know I'm not a mod but I was just changing the Announcements section so the announcements were in chronological order. VonGlusenburg 13:37, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
Please don't do that. They should already be (latest is on top). Just don't do it again.
Enter Name 15:45, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
Africa[]
Whats the deal with Africa? Why is it all neutral in the map? Surely it should be colonies of Britain, France or something. VonGlusenburg 18:30, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
- Africa corrected. i added Greenland as a German territory because Denmark was invaded by Germany, and since Greenland is a Danish colony...
well, edit that if you think that is incorrect.
Collie Kaltenbrunner 22:10, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
I've also got a question concerning China. Since there is a civil war going on between communists & nationalists who is going to win it? USSR has pledged to help communist China but communist china doesn't have a player, whereas Nationalist China is controlled by Matt. So will the USSR take communist china as part of its own communist nation, or will the communist treat be defeated by the nationalists? VonGlusenburg 18:19, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
- i don't know. Matt added something about the Nationalists winning the Communnists before, but he also added something like taking all the Japanese-controlled territory in China, something like that.i don't know if i can take this post as valid or dismiss it, since other guy pointed the implausibilities in that post.since he didn't stroke the post, this means that he kept the post as valid, but i don't know if the other mods think so.Collie Kaltenbrunner 19:55, April 12, 2011 (UTC) 19:54, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
- Does anyone know why Matt is not active? As for the Chinese communist, it is very unlikely that they were defeated, since the communist were very popular with the proletariats at the time with their reforms, and in the very least, unbelievably determined and resourceful. Just saying.
- Enter Name 22:18, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
- Matt is not active because he is gone. It's that simple. Also, Matt is known as a very plausible guy on map games. He's probably the most plausible person, actually. He just probably put that because he had little time. He's not been active, so he's probably on Spring Vacation or something.
PitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 22:33, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
- You wanna give Matt a week or so & assume he's on holiday? Then if he doesn't come back then we'll sort out what to do with China. Personally I think we give the communists and nationalists their own states, like give the communists west china (so they share a border with their fellow communist ally the USSR) and give west China to the nationalists.VonGlusenburg 09:50, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
- All I did was ask why he's inactive, I'm sure he has a good reason. I'm sure he's plausible guy, and knows his stuff, but come on, pushing back the Japanese in half a year? So did the Japanese suddenly rushed back to the sea in the sight of the fearsome and indestructible nationalist riflemen and militia? Seriously, I had to comment on that, there was just no way that Japan would suddenly be so bad at defending an area that they secured so well, and got defeated by the demoralized Chinese nationalist, especially with the U.S retreat that time. Enter Name 16:34, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
- I'm giving him until Monday. I mean come on! He's been out for too long. Maybe mods can take it over until he officially says that he quits the map game. Enter Name 17:31, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
V-3[]
Just to make sure, the V-3 is the cannon right? Not a hypothetical rocket.
Enter Name 22:28, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
Britain & France have colonies in the Americas which aren't shown on the map. Just saying.VonGlusenburg 14:26, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
Sure, more territories for me then. Enter Name 16:59, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
USSR[]
The territories in red are part of the USSR or just in their influence area, as in OTL?Collie Kaltenbrunner 16:26, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
I think its their territory, since they didn't have to give up Greece, and I think they control much of central asia with countries such as Kazakhstan, also, Iran is divided into Soviet, Britain, and neutral territory. Enter Name 16:58, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
- i'm talking about the ones in eastern-central europeCollie Kaltenbrunner 22:27, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
- Well there was no negotiation about between the U.S and the Soviet after the fall of Germany, for obvious reasons, therefore, the USSR would not just give up the territories they taken in Northern, Alpine Carpathian or Balkan zone. Correct me if I'm wrong here. Enter Name 20:46, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
Nukes[]
Only mods for the discussion.
We are gonna try to see if we should add nukes.
I'm afraid that the Red plague that USSR developed may have consequences for the rest of the game.If it has no scientific explanation, i'm afraid that somebody may see, qualify the map game as a ASB and nominate it for deletion.(i'm not sure if this deletion part happens, but it is the worst that could hapen.)
Since without nukes, Biological warfare became the only easy way to wage war, i support that we should add nukes.However, in a limited form.We don't want that earth end up like in the Original Map Game.
Well, it is bad for the reputation of anyone here to add a ASB timeline but the destiny of that map game definetely is not the model to any other.That's why i support that we should add nukes, but in a limited way.for the planet in this game don't end up like that.Collie Kaltenbrunner 21:53, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
Please note that the victims are not zombies. They are alive. They have just been heavily brain damaged, leaving them unable to feel pain, emotion, or intelligibly speak. Their immune systems have shut down, leaving the flesh decayed. They will die of blood loss if they loose a limb. They will drown in water. They will die in a vaccum. CrimsonAssassin 21:57, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
Where are the other mods?Anyway, you brought that Nuke subject to surface.the fact is that you're being prudent.somebody with few or no sense of plausibility which may join the game (ex; the banned user AnonymousHistoryGuy, remember him?) may do something even worse.Hey, i got the idea;we should work on the rules to avoid a random AHG which will do a even worse thing with Nukes.
Collie Kaltenbrunner 22:25, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
Still sounds like zombies. 
PitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 22:28, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
Toads seem like frogs. Are toads frogs? No. CrimsonAssassin 22:32, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
There is no distinction between Frogs and Toads in taxonomy, but the characteristic features of toads are a result of convergent evolution in dry habitats.
Well I am back after the few days of absence.
Glad that you guys brought this up.
I understand that without nukes, this game will be boring.
And with the "Red Virus", which is unexplainable (it causes shutdown of the immune system, but resulting in necrosis? If that happens, then HIV victims should exhibit the same symptoms, but they clearly not rotting), the game might be up for deletion.
So I came up with this solution.
We are going to introduce NNEMP weapons.
In case you do not know what that is, it is Non-nuclear electromagnetic pulse (search on Google for more details).
If this is introduced, it will stay on the premise of "No Nukes", while still causing large damage.
But not so much damage as the effect do not last long and is reversible.
I don't really like having to bring in these "Super Weapons", since it is unfair for other individuals, and kind of ruins the diplomacy portion of the game and will ultimately resort to mass conflict (since mass conflict fun, when it is hypothetical).
But if you guys really need weapons that causes large scale destruction, then I would suggest introduction NNEMPs. Enter Name 16:41, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
One more thing, China will be divided into spheres of influence between the Soviets, Japanese, and Britain (Britain will gain a small portion), since Matt clearly left the game. Enter Name 16:57, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
JSimCox[]
JSimCox has been traced by wikia and shown to be a sockpuppet of Rebelsoldier, and thus blocked permanently. Just so the users of this game know. Lordganon 12:52, April 26, 2011 (UTC)
Restart?[]
If you guys are going to restart, then you could use this map, and start from '44, so Germany's still in the game, but the Allies have started to find success. Batmanary 22:35, May 8, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah ...
- By 1944, the Soviet Union has already controlled Eastern Europe.
- The majority of Africa and a part of Asia is under one union?
- Iran is divided between the Soviets and the British.
- Assuming that the dark blue represents the Allies, Kuwait should be with the British.
- If the light blue is "neutral" (since you have grey for ???), then the Dominion of Labrador should be under British control. Syria is under German control, and much, much more edits.
These are just the few reasons that I will not use this map, plus I will probably change the map game regarding the cold war.
This is the beginning of 1944. The SU did not have control over most of Eastern Europe. The light grey are the puppets of the Axis. Light blue are colonies/puppets of Allies. It is only near the end of the year that everything you have said happens. Bats
New Map[]
This is the new map, though I need help with lots of regions of the world. Enter Name 23:19, May 14, 2011 (UTC)
Erm, China is Japanese by the way, only Xinjiang is communist and its trying to join the USSR. I guess Mongolia is communist though :P VonGlusenburg 21:25, May 18, 2011 (UTC)
Also you could have the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere as a pact too, because it is one VonGlusenburg 21:26, May 18, 2011 (UTC)
This is 1956; nothing has changed from the original timeline. This is entirely separate from the "No Nukes" timeline. Enter Name 11:47, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
Oh right, NVM then VonGlusenburg 16:42, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
Can I sign up as Mediterranean Union (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia)? If not, I'll take Chile. TDZincMy dad is not a phone! DUH!! 22:15, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
Sorry this map game has ended. Have a look at the list of current map games for a game which is still going on. I personally recommend Principia Moderni to sign up to. PM2 is starting up as soon as that has ended so you could use PM1 to grow accustomed to the PM rules ready for when PM2 starts. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:41, July 3, 2012 (UTC)