The Orange Free State could use a bit of history, Post-DD. The region it occupies is the breadbasket of South Africa. It's primary industry at the time was agriculture, followed by mining. This wealth in basic natural resources would make it a flocking point for refugees, and a great starting point for a nation. Under these conditions, it's not unreasonable to suspect that it developed into a strong nation.

The first question we must address is how exactly the state came to be. P.W. Botha was the Prime Minister of South Africa at the time, and was the soon-to-be executive President of the nation. He was also a harsh and authoritarian ruler who supported the apartheid system. That in mind, he was also advocated a weaker apartheid, one that offered more human rights than existed prior to his reign. If he was in charge of the formative Orange Free State, it would help pave the way to the stable and strong apartheid state that it is described as TTL. With his legitimate political leadership, the region could maintain a certain stability through the general collapse of Post-DD 1984 and emerge as the successful state it is.

Thoughts? Southern Sea 18:56, May 27, 2011 (UTC)

Remnants of the SA government can be found in parts of Namibia, the Pretoria region, and used to be at Cape Town. Elsewhere, they are gone. This state, formed out of the ashes of South Africa, has little, if nothing, to do with it.

That being said, it does need some history. But, not as a strong nation. As a general rule, South Africa has now gone over to the black Africans - and the nature of this state means riots, rebels, outside interference, etc. Makes no sense in this area, away from Afrikaner strongholds, could be strong if they dominate it, which is the case.

Lordganon 21:43, May 27, 2011 (UTC)

I see. With a population of primarily black Africans, then, how did the Orange Free State maintain an apartheid system? Would it be an apartheid system in name only, with whites managing to exert only marginal control over the other peoples in small parts of the Orange Free State, and the rest of the state under the de facto control of Black African rulers? Or are there enough Afrikaners to exert real control over the state and maintain true apartheid? Southern Sea 03:16, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

Well, it's long been held that whites fled chaos in several regions, the Port Elizabeth area south of here being one, of former South Africa, including the soldiers that had been attempting to keep order. I figure that them setting up shop at about this location makes sense.

Full-on apartheid, whites in charge. The area, overall, is pretty thinly populated, so they could definitely do it. As I said, there'd be resistance, in some form, likely financed, etc. by the Zulu and Xhosa nations, which would keep them from getting too strong.

Lordganon 09:17, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

So my proposal for the Azanian League has black militant groups force most of the whites from the area. About half flee, while about a quarter are killed, and the other half form their own state in the thinly populated areas around the KwaZulu border where most of the major towns already had a white majority. OFS is going to be the major direction these refugees flee to. With what they experienced, these refugees would be firm supporters of a white-dominated state.Oerwinde 03:52, March 4, 2012 (UTC)


Could I adopt this one as well? :/ 1 Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:09, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

I just realised I never actually got a response, more than a year on. As such, I adopt this article! 1 Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:59, October 3, 2013 (UTC)


Where does Kimberly fall? I am confused due to the fact it could either be in the OFS or Waterboersland. :L 1 Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:47, February 9, 2014 (UTC)

OFS, though not be all that much. It'd be a near-border town. Lordganon (talk) 05:09, February 13, 2014 (UTC)


Can i take care of the page and update it ? Col. James Hsu - 17/09/2017, 20:42 (UTC +1)

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