I have to say, I really like this nation :) Arstarpool 05:45, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks.Oerwinde 08:13, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

And how do they lose land to the MSP? And how did Oregon manage to survive when the ANZC reported it as a chaotic landscape of thieves and violence? Or maybe we should just scrap the MSP completely between Oregon and California? Arstarpool 16:17, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Southern Oregon, due to the north conscripting most of its law enforcement and national guard to keep order in the north with the refugee situation couldn't maintain order and the Salem government eventually didn't have the resources to push down to take control. By the time the civil war was over in 2006, the MSP was already being formed. The Free State of Oregon still claims the MSP controlled parts of Oregon.Oerwinde 16:25, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Oer, "Cole Grant" does not exist - however, a "Grant Cole" does. Lordganon (talk) 09:27, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, was Klamath Falls, which had an Air National Guard base (1 training squadron with F-4s) spared? Mikelima777 (talk) 01:56, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

It was only a small base, with trainers. Would not have been hit - there'd have been no point. Heck, the aircraft would only have been training versions anyways - and thus useless in fighting without extensive modification. The planes, by and large, would have been rendered inoperable by EMP anyways.

Lordganon (talk) 08:48, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Economy of Oregon

There is not much information in the Economy of Oregon page. It mentioned some about finished goods. Does this mean that the cities of Salem, Albany, and Eugene have retain some of their industrial capacities? Both cities are major food and wood product centers. Salem also produces metal products and snowboards. Bikes plastic and pleasure boats are also made in Eugene. Albany is home to the Albany Research Center, Wah Chang Corporation, a Tec Laboratories pharmaceutical company, Cascade Pacific Pulp and Oregon Freeze Dry.Goldwind1 (talk) 23:19, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

Those cities would have had at least a small amount of industry restored by this time.

Gold, much of what you're listing did not exist until after DD otl. Heck, snowboards barely even existed at all by 1983.

Lordganon (talk) 12:00, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

All of the companies I mentioned as being located in Albany had open by 1977 with the exception of cascade wood pulp. I also did some research and learn that there was at least one steel meal in Salem since 1977. More research shows me that other Oregonian companies that may have survived doomsday include Oregon Iron Works, Castel wood furniture, Pendleton woolen mills, Columbia Helicopters, Nosler, and Oregon Iron Company. Goldwind1 (talk) 03:19, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Did not mean just Albany by my statement, and you're incorrect there, according to their websites - only the first two have any such indication. A company being older than 1977, especially when there are references to them having moved around, is not proof that they were based where they are now when they first started out.

Wood Castle Furniture, not "Castel." And they make their furniture by hand, so they'd be entirely unaffected.

The Oregon Iron Company was long defunct by 1983. It hadn't existed at all in two decades, and produced anything in four more.

Oregon Iron Works is in a suburb of Portland. They're very gone.

Nosler, out of Bend, would be doing well.

Columbia Helicopters would not be operational irregardless, but they've been located in Portland since their founding three decades prior to DD.

Pendleton Woolen Mills seems to have moved to Portland well before DD. Some of their facilities, especially in Salem, may have proved useful in years since, however.

Lordganon (talk) 02:15, January 2, 2013 (UTC) [1]

Oregon Freeze Dry was founded in the 60's according to the general information page on the Oregon Freeze Dry website. Tec labs was founded in in 1977 according to Wikipedia. Goldwind1 (talk) 03:02, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

...And if you read what I said you'd note my comment on that. I said that being founded earlier does not mean that they were located at the present location. And both histories refer to them having moved at least once.

All of that, as well, ignores that neither would be remotely operational post-DD.

Lordganon (talk) 03:15, January 2, 2013 (UTC)


I was looking at a map of Oregon on Wikipedia and realized that the Oregon Free State capital is VERY close to the border with Astoria. I was concerned because it seemed like there was almost a Cold War between the two. If a war broke out Oregon's capital would be vulnerable.

I am not trying to change canon, but wouldn't it make more sense for the capital to be in Albany? Daeseunglim (talk)

Salem was the state capitol and capitol through military rule. It has all the infrastructure. Plus with Oregon in the new USA and Victoria on its border Astoria is all bark. Oerwinde (talk) 23:27, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

That, and Albany really doesn't score much better in the areas you're concerned about, Dae. Lordganon (talk) 10:15, May 14, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, yeah, LG you are right. It is only a few more miles away. Lol! Daeseunglim (talk)

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