Alternative History


Since the timeline is just starting I thought we could list our general ideas here, eventually adding them to the overview timeline and establishing a basic canon. From there we can easily write the full timeline. Mscoree (talk) 01:55, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

I want to know if the timeline is going to go out all ASB with the expansion of the ice caps after the eruption. I mean, is the expansion of the ice caps suppose to be intentionally ASB, or is it just a misunderstanding out how the climate works? PESTICIDE (talk) 14:55, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

I think a lot of people just misunderstand how the climate works, and don't intend for it to be ASB. Tht's something that really needs to be clerared up because the other day in chat some people were under the impression that the eruption immediately caused giant ice cliffs to form in places like England, killing millions. Mscoree (talk) 15:03, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Of course not. Giant ice cliff do not happen in a day. There will be a terrible decade when the ice starts to move down rapidly. After the world patterns begin to stabilise, then the ice will start to slow down and finally stop expanding. 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:38, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

I believe Imp is correct Daxus Inferno (talk) 20:29, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Eruption Length

Recently I was wondering how long Yellowstone would erupt for. According to this source in some rare cases eruptions can last for several years. When Mount Tambora erupted it is said to have caused a year without summer. Tambora erupted for three to four months, meaning a decade of no summers would erupt for at least three years. Based on this I'd say at least five to six years before the main eruption ends. Mscoree (talk) 21:04, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

After discussing with Ms, I have agreed - although the main eruption will happen when Yellowstone actually erupts. 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:17, November 9, 2013 (UTC)


Okay, so I want to know, how far along is technology in this timeline than in ours; mainly, what would be the "level" of computer technology and weapons of mass destruction (primarily the atomic bomb)? PESTICIDE (talk) 04:14, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Considering that there is no World War 2 (as of yet) there's no need for the United States to develop nuclear weapons, and their industrial capabilities to do so are debatable. As for computers, they will probably catch on much slower since people have a lot less financial strength and appeal to consumer goods during an apocalyptic scenario. Mscoree (talk) 04:19, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

At least for the case of the Atom Bomb, it really depends on how the world's geopolitics develop after Eruption Day. If a major World War (or more realistically European or Oceanoasian War) is to erupt around 1950-1960, I think the development of atomic weaponry could be possible.

In general, for nuclear technology, I would say that the ATL is 20-30 years behind. This is taking into account the lack of a WWII in the 1940s. Therefore, militarism would not re-emerge (if ever) until later. Hope that helps,             Ancapflag.svg   I find your lack of faith disturbing.  04:20, November 10, 2013 (UTC) (THANKS MS for the conflict!)

Militarism existed long before the PoD, and still is out there today, imo. Lordganon (talk) 10:08, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

That's true, but what I meant is, if there isn't a major conflict such as World War 2 the atomic bomb will most likely not be created at the same time or cirumstances as OTL. The United States will also probably not be the creators, considering their current condition. Mscoree (talk) 11:34, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

True, but that comment wasn't directed towards you, either. Lordganon (talk) 12:35, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

I would say that tech like jets would be delayed (as it was being researched at the time). The role of the carrier as the main capital ship would be as well, since it's proving battles (Hunt for Bismark, Taranto, Pearl Harbor, Midway and Coral Sea) haven't happened. So nations might be developing battleships well into the 50s. I am that guy 16:36 November 14, 2013

We still have Carriers as important... The PUSA don't really, but Britannia and Japan do. No World War II, but we have Wars at a similar time to WWII all over the world. Not a World War as much as World War(s). Praetorian Flag.png RoG Flag.png "Sleeps with the fishes" "An Offer you Can't Refuse." "Make a wish. It'll be your last" Falklands Flag.png

Actually PUSA does, considering that right around the POD the United States was in the middle of constructing several powerful aircraft carriers, including the Enterprise, and huge portions of their navy would be on the east coast (mostly near Virginia) since they hadn't yet been moved to Hawaii. Mscoree (talk) 20:24, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Important. You don't have any Naval Battles that require Aircraft Carriers to show their mettle, so they are not rated as important. Was why I said 'Important' Praetorian Flag.png RoG Flag.png "Sleeps with the fishes" "An Offer you Can't Refuse." "Make a wish. It'll be your last" Falklands Flag.png


I purposely did not list ever date and battle for Operation Southern Sunrise, as I figured that should be saved for the detailed timeline. If there's no objection to this I'll continue writing in that style. Mscoree (talk) 04:16, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Note for America

Note that there will be multiple crop failures until the summer 1946 and this would cause more deaths. This is only to keep it in line with the other planned articles. Thanks. :) 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 12:49, November 10, 2013 (UTC)