I would imagine this area would be under Spokane control. Not much has been written about Spokane but they had expanded and were able to maintain a war with Utah for 3 years before Utah pushed them out of Idaho. With them able to threaten an area south of the tri-cities area, I would think Spokane would have this region under control.--Oerwinde 07:59, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Hrmm, re-reading the Utah article seems Utah shattered Spokane control over the surrounding cities by 1993, so I guess this is plausible sometime after 1993.--Oerwinde 08:06, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
What I had "seen" for the area was that Spokane had become a survivalist junta/dictatorship, and that they more-or-less ruled the area with an iron fist - but that this was broken following the Utah War, and they fell apart from within, much as the Aztecs did OTL. I think what's been written for the PFS so far is quite fitting. Louisiannan 22:24, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

Hanford Site

I was doing some research on this area and I came upon this: Hanford Site. According to Wikipedia this place was responsible for producing the "plutonium for most of the 60,000 weapons in the U.S. nuclear arsenal." I'm sure this place would be a target during Doomsday and the Tri-Cities that formed the PFS are pretty much right next door. There was actually fear OTL that the shutdown of the plant would cause an economic collapse for the three towns. Mitro 02:15, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

I dunno how much of a priority this would be. All but one reactor had been shut down by doomsday and it was fully shut down by 1987. The US already had thousands of nuclear weapons, and after a major nuclear barrage from the USSR it was unlikely the priority of the US would be to make more nukes.--Oerwinde 08:11, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

it would likely be a Soviet Target--Owen1983 15:32, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

After talking to a guy at work who was in the army in the 80s, I'm changing my vote. It would probably be hit.Oerwinde 21:01, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

What did he say that made you change your mind? Mitro 21:12, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
I just figure if a military man from the 80s says something will be nuked in the 80s, it probably will. We were just talking about targets in the pacific northwest, and how Oregon would be mostly untouched, the Seattle/Tacoma/Bremerton area would be slagged, and he brought up the Hanford site being a major supplier of plutonium and how it would be gone. Didn't matter that it had been mostly shut down as soviet intelligence would likely be out of date.Oerwinde 22:22, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
Would a strike on Hanford mean Pasco would not exist? Mitro 14:10, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
Its about 32 miles away, so it would likely survive the blast intact. I don't know what the effects would be on the reactor though.Oerwinde 17:58, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Tourism? Wine-industry?

Don't get too optimistic, there, GOPZack - I think you're going a bit further afield, and things are seeming too rosy, IMHO for the PFS. You don't see many 3rd world tourists in the United States, in OTL, and you won't see tourism existing in North America for at least a decade, until things settle out. You might have travellers, yes, but tourists like existed pre-DD are quite a ways in coming. Louisiannan 16:55, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with louis that its optmistic Owen1983 18:07, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I took out the tourist stuff out but listed wine as a potential industry that could grow in the future. --GOPZACK 18:37, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

Recent expansion

I think we need to rethink Pasco's expansion. Up till now Pasco has been rather small, now they are reaching into Oregon. This sort of conflicts with canon. If Pasco's borders were that far south its likely they would have had contact with the MSP earlier than last year. I hid the paragraphy that extended the borders until this is resolved. Mitro 04:04, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

It also seems like they're expanding with little resistance from Spokane. I would think the Yakima/Ellensburg area would be hotly contested between the two. With Yakima recently coming under control and an outpost in Ellensburg, I think Ellensburg would be the hotzone between the two.Oerwinde 07:56, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Pendleton seems a little far flung for the MSP - who I'm assuming would have had contact/knowledge of Pasco at some point too, especially within twenty-five years post-Doomsday (PFS formed 1993, after all). If they maitnain some form of security in eastern Washington as a buffer to Spokane influence, it would be reasonably that their nominal air force have reached the MSP. And if in contest with Spokane over Ellensburg (though farther east of Spokane than Pasco), exists, there is sure to be contest over Walla Walla as well (possibility of ongoing crisis?). KingSweden 09:11, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

I think Walla Walla would be safely under Pasco influence. Its closer to Utah and would likely have been one of the first cities liberated in the 90s. Ellensburg is further east and Spokane would have been more likely to reassert its influence in the areas further away from Utah's meddling.Oerwinde 09:15, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
The problem is that if Pasco and the MSP come in contact too early than that would mean the MSP would also no of the NAU and Utah early as well. The problem is its been canon for almost a year now that those two states only were in contact with the outside world in 2009. Mitro 14:09, February 11, 2010 (UTC)


Is it ok if I add hospitals, libraries, airports, in Pasco‘s newly acquired cities like Walla Walla, Yakima, Goldendale, and Sunnyside, to the infrastructure section? I would also like to add the South Cle Elum Depot , Yakima Area Arboretum, and the Goldendale Observatory, ect to the landmark section and skiing in the Cle Elum area to the Recreation SectionGoldwind1 02:34, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

The South Cle Elum Depot wouldn't be a landmark - by today, it would again be in use.

The Yakima Area Arboretum is likely now farmland of some sort.

And I really have to doubt that the Goldendale Observatory is still even close to operational.

Kinda have to doubt that much was left in those cities after the raiders got through with them.

Would be skiing in a lot more than just that spot.

Lordganon 07:53, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Umatilla Chemical Depot

In 1983, the Army had a chemical weapons depot in Umatilla, Oregon, about 20 miles south of Pasco territory. It would be a likely secondary target by the Soviets. Had the depot not been nuked, it would have been a valuable target for the Spokane Raiders in their wars of conquest. Its destruction would rule out any expansion to the south. Anybody have any ideas about this? Jnjaycpa 04:06, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Chemical Depots were not hit pretty well anywheres - they are actually more damaging to leave, than to hit, after all. Need to be guarded and maintained, and after the strikes, it'd be near to impossible to move them somewhere where they could possibly get used.

The raiders would not be able to get in, I'd think - too well sealed - and they would know of its existence, and assume it had been hit, as well. Once they found out it wasn't, they'd likely still stay away, simply because in all of that chaos, large stocks of chemicals would be one of the last places anyone would go near.

Any spills would hurt downstream for a ways, not at Pasco. Would be more or less eliminated before it hit anywhere populated.

Lordganon 07:28, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

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