That population is way too high. Otl, the island itself has less than 300 permanent residents, swelling to only around 3,000 people on holiday weekends in the summer. Even with refugees added to the summer population that's not going to be anywhere near that high a population.
That's besides how close the area is to Detroit/Windsor - the island could live, but the mainland would be effectively gone.
Lordganon 04:02, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
NOOO! I was going to write this. Hrmph. I was inspired by the new mercenary state and was going to make this a redoubt for an armed group... otherwise it seemed to me the strategically-placed island would have been annexed as a base by one of the larger regional Great Lakes powers. Benkarnell 04:41, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
- I say that not to discourage you, though. Go ahead and write. I'll be vacationing on Pelee in a few weeks and had been planning to write about it when I got back. That's all. Benkarnell 20:05, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
- I don't see how a "NOOOO!" can be not discouraging but its ok. My plans might be different than what your plans were for the article but feel free to edit the article so long as you keep it from getting annexed from another country and keep it from being some sort of raider dictatorship. But I don't see a problem with anything else, like having a hideout for some mercs, because it was a base for the rumrunners back in the days of prohibition. Arstar 22:11, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
- It was supposed to be a comical, exaggerated sort of NOOO but I see the potential for misunderstanding. That's why I tried to clarify. I won't be going to Pelee for a while. If the page still looks like this when I get back, I'll write up a proposal; otherwise I promise not to complain if you take it in a direction different from the one inside my head. Benkarnell 03:48, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
Huh. I sure dropped the ball on this one. I had actually imagined an armed group coming to power in Pelee... you know, more dystopian stuff. They would have mellowed somewhat as the years went by, so that now they aren't a direct threat to anyone. It would be the center of a sort of economic web of tributary village-states along the lakeshore. The area is mostly wild, and the Pelee rulers would be a part of that world, one of the main local powers in a chaotic region. They woul play the larger Ontario players against one another to maintain their position, and mostly try to avoid the larger Canadian govt to the east. Maybe they could be an ally of Superior. Benkarnell 20:06, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
Just oughta let you know, I've pretty much dropped interest in this site so I am going to start accepting demands on adopting other articles if anyones interested. Arstar 01:18, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
- I didn't want to demand anything, just request it. I'll say it again, that NOOOO was meant in jest... but if you're stepping away for a while (like I did and still sort-of am), then I'll add to the proposal. Benkarnell 22:45, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
- Could I suggest a military bearing- such countries would resemble the Aztecs and Romans who conquered the city states nearby before starting on their respective continents. Perhaps they would not be powerful enough in such a short time, but a military culture is very possible, sociologically.
- 98.14.126.83 01:55, November 21, 2011 (UTC)
Expansion[]
OK then, I'm going to start making some changes. A couple of concerns with what's written: first, it seems unlikely that after 25+ years of alternate history the island would end up with the OTL mayor in 2011. Second, Pelee grows a lot besides grapes. Wikipedia gives 5000 acres of soy, 1000 of wheat, and only 500 of grapes - while noting that the wine industry only began in the 80s. Depending on the population, they'll actually be rather well fed. Probably no fish, though, with Lake Erie getting so contaminated. That contamination is going to have a very big effect on the island and is something that will need more research. What other 1983DD states depend on the Great Lakes? Superior, definitely - I'll have to read how the issue was handled there. Benkarnell 19:22, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
I wouldn't be so quick to do that - Lakes Huron and Superior only received a couple of strikes near their shores, compared to several more than that on each of the other three. I'd say that while it was worse off at first, Lake Erie, with pollution effectively stopped being added, and time, would give them a lot of fish at the present. Lordganon 11:47, February 25, 2011 (UTC)
Of course, with time the system's going to heal itself. My concern was for the immediate aftermath. Whatever's in the lake is going to end up in the island's water table and affect everything there. I'm not too sure what exactly is going to be in the lake, though. My guess is that Pelee's not going to suddenly grow a crop of glowing radioactive soybeans, but if not that, then what will the effects be? Benkarnell 16:56, February 25, 2011 (UTC)
Way I figure it, the size of the lake would probably mean it ends up being pretty safe from radioactive water. Effects by my guess would be that it ends up being little more than finding mutated and slightly irradiated fish for a few years - really, no ill effects at all, as its not even in proximity to any strikes. Lordganon 17:46, February 25, 2011 (UTC)
North Pennsylvania[]
I would assume that north penn would have meet already Westsylvania 01:29, November 20, 2011 (UTC) Westsylvania