Talk: Commonwealth of Plymouth (1983: Doomsday)/Archive

Revision as of 15:00, 30 June 2010

This goes agenst Outer Lands.--Sunkist- 05:10, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

That only refers to the islands. Arstarpool 16:00, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

No the Islands are still part of Outer Lands--Sunkist- 18:45, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

The Map was changed. Cape Cod as in the continental part is not part of the Outer Lands, because the Outer Lands are only the lower islands of Cape Cod. Arstarpool 18:57, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Technically, the extension of the peninsula out to Cape Cod is not an island, but it does seem that this Republic can not be a reconstituted "Plymouth Colony" if the "Outer Lands" continues as a separate confederation. The reason that the Outer Lands became a survivor state was that they were isolated from the mainland. If Plymouth was successful, it would probably come to encompass the whole peninsula as did the original Plymouth Colony. This would not be an affront to the Outer Lands, though. Their confederation is largely one of convenience anyway. SouthWriter 20:12, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

With the county government surviving, I would see no reason for Cape Cod to form the "loose confederation" that is the Outer Lands. Arstarpool 02:19, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Arstarpool, this contradicts what's been established as canon for Outer Lands in regards to Cape Cod. Cape Cod itself is part of Outer Lands, not just the islands. That said, I don't have a problem with establishing some kind of movement for the establishment of a Plymouth colony or Plymouth survivor state; in fact, establishing new survivor states as of 2010 is a rarity in this timeline. I would support the groundwork for a future Plymouth nation being laid at present, perhaps building towards some kind of declaration of independence by 2012. BrianD 03:01, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

No thanks. How about the Cape Cod area would be given an ultimatum of joining Plymouth at a future date, or possibly something that has already happened recently? If possible, could you give me a map showing the areas controlled by Outer Lands? Do you really think that a county whose county seats survived would actually fork over control to a small, weak, loose confederation? Arstarpool 03:30, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

There was no map. The five boroughs, if you will, are listed on the Outer Lands page. The proposal - which was approved by the other editors as canon long before you developed Plymouth - took into account the destruction of Boston and other sites in eastern Massachusetts, and that those islands would have been the most likely places for people to have survived the blasts, and avoid the fallout and radiation from those blasts. If I could have put survivors in eastern Massachusetts, I would have. But I saw no possible way for that to happen; hence, the situation as is in that part of New England.BrianD 04:07, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

I read the description, but its not very descriptive. Plymouth had no nearby strike zones other than Boston, as with Barnstable. So I thought that it would be logical for them to cooperate with each other. If you could just allow me to use the northern tips of the Cape, that would be good. Arstarpool 04:16, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

You know...that's fine. Best wishes to the Plymouth survivor nation. BrianD 04:21, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

I concur, the Commonwealth of Plymouth did not come into existence immediately. The Outer Lands were organized rather haphazardly and very quickly. It makes sense that the people of Plymouth and Barnstable (towns representing the earliest "New England") would seek to organize a state as soon as they realized the national and state governments were gone. I propose that the history of the Outer Lands be amended to include overtures by Plymouth to incorporate the islands. The islands, having lost their largest borough to annexation anyway, would probably agree since the alliance is only for convenience anyway. The miracle of the Outer Lands could peacefully become part of a stronger, more coherent state. --SouthWriter 14:23, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Second colony, not the first !

Sorry, but Plymouth postdated Jamestown by 18 years! The Pilgrims were headed to Virginia when they got blown off course. Jamestown celebrated their four hundreth anniversary almost a decade ago -- in a big way, actually! Jamestown itself was the second colony established, nearby Roanoke Island (NC) having failed miserably (hostile native population!).

The south was actually a far better place to set up housekeeping. That first winter, before actually building a settlement, half of those aboard the Mayflower died. But they had found a place to call their own, and the rest is history, SouthWriter 15:00, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

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 :::I concur, the Commonwealth of Plymouth did not come into existence immediately.  The Outer Lands were organized rather haphazardly and very quickly.  It makes sense that the people of Plymouth and Barnstable (towns representing the earliest "New England") would seek to organize a state as soon as they realized the national and state governments were gone.  I propose that the history of the Outer Lands be amended to include overtures by Plymouth to incorporate the islands.  The islands, having lost their largest borough to annexation anyway, would probably agree since the alliance is only for convenience anyway. The miracle of the Outer Lands could peacefully become part of a stronger, more coherent state. --[[User:SouthWriter|SouthWriter]] 14:23, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
+== Second colony, not the first ! ==
+Sorry, but Plymouth postdated Jamestown by 18 years!  The Pilgrims were headed to Virginia when they got blown off course.  Jamestown celebrated their four hundreth anniversary almost a decade ago -- in a big way, actually! Jamestown itself was the second colony established, nearby Roanoke Island (NC) having failed miserably (hostile native population!).
+The south was actually a far better place to set up housekeeping.  That first winter, before actually building a settlement, half of those aboard the Mayflower died.  But they had found a place to call their own, and the rest is history, [[User:SouthWriter|SouthWriter]] 15:00, June 30, 2010 (UTC)