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Contradictory narrationEdit

Is Russia a republic or monarchy? (Text)... Tsar Nicholas II ratified a revised version of the Fundamental Laws of the Russian Empire, forcing him to share political power with a parliament. This document turned Russia into a constitutional monarchy... The Russian Empire was later renamed the "Republic of Russia" by Lenin in 1911, and later changed to the "Democratic Republic of Russia" by Trotsky in 1925. On September 5, 1905, the Treaty of Portsmouth was signed, ending the Russo-Japanese War. Under pressure from the Duma, the Tsar implemented socialist policies intended to help the workers and peasants of Russia, with the hope of lowering dissent. Lenin formally abolished the title of “Emperor and Autocrat of All the Russias” and limited the Tsar's power to that of a figurehead. The Tsar continually vetoed Lenin's decisions in an attempt to retain power, but each of his vetoes were overridden by parliament. (end text). --JorgeGG (talk) 17:46, March 29, 2018 (UTC)

Russo-Japanese War , Revolution of 1905 and Tsar Edit

I think there is an important background. In OTL the Russo-Japanese War (8 February 1904 – 5 September 1905) was one of the precedentes of the Russian Revolution of 1905 (22 January 1905 – 16 June 1907). No so clear if a more modernized China (See China) would deter part of it. But, the elephant in the room, is that the geopolitical interests of Japan and Russia in the Far East were colliding. and erupt in some kind of warfare.

Another point is that the autocratic rule of the Tsars and how they rolled back or suppressed reform makes unrealistic that the example of Chinese reforms or reforms elsewhere (Russian ruling elites were very nationalist, provincial and conservative in their outlook) would force, inspire, falter or agree a political change by the Tsar and his circle. Also the interest of the nobility and aristocracy are in collusion to any modernization that would abolish or end the remains of Russian feudalism, changes (not matter how gradual) in land property or full democratic rights and freedoms of the peasants and common citizens. Keeping the Tsar also means that with time he or his partisans can plan a coup to re-establish autocracy and/or strike and squash reforms (as it happen with the Decembrist uprising).

I like better the idea of successful democratic bourgeois revolution in 1905 that establishes a Russian Republic because the outcome is subject to more changes and also some interesting diverges in Russian Marxism. --JorgeGG (talk) 13:18, April 12, 2018 (UTC)


The original article was contradictory with itself. And in short I can pick up on your idea that the absoultetism would not be given away for free. Certainly if I had originally made this timeline the idea of 1905 revolution stands out as the best chance to peacefully create a constitutional monarchy. -Stepintime.


In addition while I could imagine WWI being slightly different but still similar to OTL WWII will turn out different, though there will be a war for sure.Stepintime (talk) 19:17, April 12, 2018 (UTC)

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