Talk:Spain (1983: Doomsday)

I s'pose we'll have to work together on Andorra/Euskadia, etc. given that it overlaps both France and Spain. Louisiannan 22:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I inserted a new map, until I can find a map that satisfies me but I'll settle for this, I have indicated in grey partially inhabited areas, held by bandits, guerrillas, small communities, nomad families and minor warlords. An area of mobile and variable population known as "the carousel". In white are the dead areas, heavily contaminated areas where human occupation is inadvisable. Because much of Biscay and the Basque Country have been affected by radiation have erased part of that line of expansion, I have left a narrow strip of coastline at the mouth of Nervión river if they want to have a presence in the territory, but not I advise holding still Bilbao.

grad?

Tristan/Louis: Do you feel this article is complete and ready for graduation? Mitro 19:59, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

In general terms yes, but not to add to country profiles, I lack some corrections and I like that the other countries define their position on emerging nations in the Peninsula, it is clear that the Spanish question divides the Atlantic Defensive Comunity. PdO claims the territory but is going to be forced to relinquish some of their aspirations and recognice all or part of the new governments, Canada supports PdO, but Celtic Alliance and Portugal supports Galicia, Asturias, Euskadi and the Greater Andorra. The SAC is also highly debated issue. Also not clear to me that kind of conflict has PdO with the Sicilian Republic, or where it has ( Balearic Islands, mainland Spain, Rif, Melilla, Malta or where?).Tristanbreiker 09:52, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Update

I added a new map with the recent modifications.Tristanbreiker 11:42, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

I really have to doubt that those little states you've slipped in against the borders of Andorra and the RoS are at all plausible. The other two, sure, but not in the least those three. Lordganon 17:16, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

There aren´t States. Are small communities, with some degree of autonomy and organitation, but not internationally recognized as states and they can´t be considered as a country.Tristanbreiker 23:35, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, they are. International recognition means nothing.

And, you're missing the point. They are literally next to established states, one of which is the legitimate claimant to the area, and both are expansionist in some form, especially the RoS. For them to exist at all makes almost no sense.

Lordganon 08:11, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

A small clarification.

Cazorla and Granada are survivor Boards, the idea that I have about them is this: at some moment they were established as emergency Boards until the situation returns to normal (some moment between 1984 and 1986), somehow they resisted the attempts of the former Spanish National Republic of annexation, but now that the expansion of the Republic of Spain moves smoothly annexation is imminent, preferably through diplomatic channels, At no time was declared independent states, which facilitates its annexation,

Olot's case is more complex. In this intervening Catalan nationalism, submitted but not eliminated by the expansion of RoS and Andorra, the existence of this Board is the practical example of the logical difficulties that a small country like Andorra would find in his expansion in the area, please, Andorra was less than a county two decades ago and now seems want to make an empire.

Extremadura -as I pointed out- is also not a state but a number of cities forced to coalesce to defend, not everything is vacuum and chaos within the Iberian Peninsula, some populations survive and eventually be able to join with others, in the case of Extremadura the isolation from other centers of power has permit its autonomous development, but its lack of heavy weapons and strategic industries does not guarantee subsequent survival.

It's just a matter of time that the expansion of RoS, Castile and Leon, and even Portugal reach the region of Extremadura, which probably gives rise to a new crisis between Spanish Successor States.

I say all this to tell you that in any case these innovations are not intended to be more than names and events in a story set in order to enrich it. A friendly greeting.Tristanbreiker 12:17, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Still, the idea that they could exist makes no sense. The big one near Portugal, ok. But not the others.

And either way, you're missing out the LoN Straits Zone, on a big level.

Lordganon 10:11, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

NO, I am who don´t understand why you follow seems so unreal that in a situation of power vacuum this power would be exercised either by warlords or by other groups as local emergency boards, municipalities etc. In other words a "balkanization". This is happening today and examples you can find everywhere in world and without need of a nuclear war.Tristanbreiker 20:10, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

And I don´t lost the way. Work at the pace I want, that does not pay me for doing this.Tristanbreiker 20:16, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Border Dispute Conference

According to the article there was supposed to be a conference in Jan 2011 to fix the borders. Did it happen or what? Mitro 19:37, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I haven´t much time these days. The peace conference was delayed by the death of the Archbishop and not be reached any agreement, although from January 2011 remain informal negotiations. In reality, despite the delimitation of the areas of expansion, there is a good relationship of proximity between Iberia and Andorra. Having said that, the Iberian Confederation to expand towards the Southeast, towards an outlet to the sea, facing it clearly in a near future to the Republic of Spain. For its part the State of Andorra moves above the vibrancy of the Catalan nationalism and the French revival, which must be added the emergence of a new Occitan nationalism and the problem of refugees from other Nations. The success of Andorra is apparent, as moves on quicksand.Tristanbreiker 19:50, January 15, 2012 (UTC)