Olympics?[]
Olympics will in 2010? i think the right time is 2012, like in our timeline, 2 years before/after fifa worldcup and others competicions, Pan American Games are in 2011, every 4 years, because america cannot send 30 football teams to ANZC, or 30 Rugby teams, i think we must read Multi-sport event wikipedia to do a reasonable calendary--Fero 23:08, November 17, 2009 (UTC) Hi, Fero. You're right, the Olympic cycle would put the summer games in 2008 or 2012. When I started on this timeline I saw that the first games post DD were listed as being in 2010; I chalked it up to the butterfly effects of Doomsday. I'm having reservations about it being in the same year, and same time, as the World Cup. But I don't want to automatically change it without taking it before the community, so I'm going to list this on the main 1983: Doomsday talk page. Your suggestion of a sports calendar is a good one.--BrianD 23:13, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
Sudamerican Games?[]
The Juegos Sudamericanos (Sudamerican Games on Spanish) will be inaugurated tomorrow on OTL, and because South Ameriaca is one of the most important regions now, I think they should be imprtant now. If somebody decides to put them, they will be inaugurated tomorrow (19th of March) on Medellín, Colombia. Fedelede 23:59, March 18, 2010 (UTC)
Done; thanks for the heads up, Fedelede! BrianD 03:22, March 19, 2010 (UTC)
Europa Games[]
I saw them mentioned on the WCRB Newshour page for 2009, which also said that they'd be hosted in Prussia in October 2010, but there hasn't been any other references to them. Are they going ahead or has the idea been abandoned? If it's the former, then what events are going to be included?82.26.212.216 00:38, August 7, 2010 (UTC)Weaver
Since no one's replied to me, I'm guessing that the Europa Games have been more or less forgotte about. If that's the case, then does anyone have any objection to me having a stab at getting things started?Tessitore 23:34, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
No. Go for it!BrianD 23:43, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
- Okay, I've created a page for the Europa Games as a Proposal. If anyone has anything they'd like to contribute (and I really hope they do) you know where to find it.Tessitore 22:50, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
WWE, WCW, and ECW?[]
how would Doomsday effect the sport of Pro- Wrestling?
companies like the WWF(E) and WCW? would it have been as popular post-DD (1990's) as it was in OTL 1990's?
There's no way those companies would even exist. The closest thing to WWE/ECW/WCW I can come up with is small, regional promotions in survivor states. I did write in the idea of pro wrestling being contested for real in the survivor state of Natchez. Think MMA, but without the various MMA holds and like early 1980s NWA, Memphis, Mid-South, World Class, WWWF 'rasslin. BrianD 20:59, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
So i guess wrestling legand Vince McMahon Jr. did not survive since he lived in MA or CT?
I love his voice back in the 80's and 90's. (Althistoryluver99 20:53, August 11, 2010 (UTC))
- I was thinking about this too - while Vince McMahon and Ted Turner almost certainly died on DD, and many of the sport's big US hubs were destroyed, I'd imagine that 20 years later, there'd still be small regional wrestling organizations, maybe even some of the old NWA territories... That's to say nothing of the sport's popularity in Mexico, where it's practically the national pastime. -hx 21:59, April 29, 2011 (UTC)
- Lucha libre still exists down in Mexico. I established "pro wrestling for real" in the citystate of Natchez - think of MMA, but with pro wrestling "rules". I would imagine other wrestling territories exist regionally around North America; depending on where the Memphis wrestlers were on Doomsday night (Evansville?) they conceivably could have restarted the CWA once the Commonwealth of Kentucky was established and things settled down. Georgia, World Class, Mid-Atlantic, AWA would have been gone with Doomsday.BrianD 23:42, April 29, 2011 (UTC)
- The same seems to go for most of the Canadian wrestlers, too - since Calgary was a target, that bodes poorly for the Harts and Stampede. This map shows where the major territories were around DD. The only territory that looks to be completely unscathed is the Amarillo territory - so at least Terry Funk is still around (although let's face it, you could drop a bomb ON Terry Funk and he'd come back a couple years later for a rematch.) The one thing about the territory era is that you have absolutely no idea where the talent was on any given night. If, say, Georgia Wrestling was down in Cordele or Vidalia or somewhere, then they were definitely stranded, but they missed being killed outright, and any survivor state or regional warlord or whatever would LOVE to have a big mean-ass wrestler or two in their forces. -hx 15:48, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
Amarillo was destroyed outright, with the region turning into near-complete chaos, and then no population in all of it, outside of a couple small locations. Lordganon 16:33, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
If I read the map right, the Armarillo Territory is Northern California. That would mean the warlords of the MSP would have access to any of the truly "bad" wrestlers in the territory who weren't destroyed in the bombins of San Francisco and vicinty. Some of th ewrestlers may have escaped into the area claimed by the Republic of California in the southern part of that Territory.
As for Georgia wrestling, the NWA championship was ON Doomsday in Atlanta. Since it was on live cable television, it most likely was scheduled for, and maybe even going on, Sunday evening when the warnings sounded. It does not bode well for Brett Wayne (aka Brett Sawyer) who won the title in OTL. SouthWriter 17:22, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
Amarillo is in Texas, and, sadly, was destroyed on DD. BrianD 17:43, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
That map must reflect the 1970s, or some amalgamation of the territories that existed in the 50s, 60s, and 70s in their heydays. The territories had started to dwindle by Doomsday (which happened about a year before the WWF got going in OTL), and were lesser in number than what you see on the map. The territory South is referring to is the old San Francisco territory, not Amarillo.
On an unrelated note, Jerry Jarrett pretty much controlled Kentucky, southern Indiana, and western and central Tennessee by 1983; the ICW territory listed on the map, located in Lexington, Kentucky, was an "outlaw territory", non approved by the cartel of promoters that basically ran the NWA. The star there was Macho Man Randy Savage. Lexington was not hit on DD. Make of that what you will :) BrianD 17:50, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
- I thought there must be something wrong with the chart's legend. There is a definite green tint to the San Fran area that seemed to match the box next to Armarillo. I knew that Armarillo was in Texas, but naming conventions don't always go with the best known places by a given name. SouthWriter 17:59, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
- That chart's really hard to read. BrianD 18:02, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
- It isn't perfect, but it was the first Google result! Man, now I want Kentucky to have Randy Savage as a minor political figure ala Jesse Ventura in OTL. Figuring out where all the major promotions were having cards is probably *possible*, but a logistical nightmare (actually, you could just find an October '83 issue of Wrestling Illustrated or whatever and look in the back - didn't the old mags publish results?) -hx 21:09, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
Hulk and The Rock?[]
Anybody who watches wrestling... do u know if "The Immortal" Hulk Hogan or "The People's Champion" The Rock coulda survived? (Althistoryluver99 20:51, August 11, 2010 (UTC))
I doubt The Rock has much chance though since he was in Miami at the time and Miami was one of the places that got hit.
I don't know about Hogan though. i wish someone could do an article on him. (Althistoryluver99 21:20, August 11, 2010 (UTC))
- According to Wikipedia, Hulk Hogan was in St. Louis around this time. As a result, he is most likely dead. JackofSpades 22:18, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
That's horrible that Hogan isn't alive in this timeline.
Anybody know if Connecticut or Harverd was hit? (Althistoryluver99 23:38, August 11, 2010 (UTC))
NASCAR?[]
Just FYI - the NASCAR Winston Cup Series was at Martinsville Speedway in Martinsville, VA on Doomsday. That's pretty far from any of the major strikes listed and it's safe to assume that the stars of the sport (and the audience) survived, at least initially. The remnants might end up being in the wheelhouse of Boone, NC, although the idea of a Martinsville Free State, led by King Richard Petty seems pretty excellent. -hx 14:51, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
- I am not a NASCAR fan, but this is great! Though the town of Martinsville, VA, will undoubtedly be claimed by the government of the Virginian Republic, I can see it as resisting even to the point of WINNING! I am a bit more interested because it is Martinsville, independent city and county seat of Henry County. If viable, and I think it may be at least as viable as Portland, TN, I'd like to collaborate with any who are interested. The reason is sort of selfish, for, you see, my name is Henry Martin. :-)
- Further information: The First Goody's 500 began at 1:30 pm on September 25, 1983. It ended around 5:00 pm with Ricky Rudd's winning time of 3:17:16 for a purse of $31,395. NASCAR fan's will have to help us here, for I have no more info than what is on Wikipedia. A fan could let us know about victory celebrations, overnight accommodations, etc. Locals or travelers out of Greensboro would have been hit after returning there, and the blast there would have been seen and probably felt in Martinsville. Greensboro is about 30 miles to the south, but 66.7 miles via US Highways 58 & 29. The drive takes about 1 hour and 15 minutes. The Piedmont Triad International Airport serves the Greensboro area. --SouthWriter 16:19, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
- A more direct route, of course, would be US 220, which is known as Greensboro Road. It might take about the same amount of time, and in 1983 might have been the preferred route. I don't know, just looking at the Google Earth map. SouthWriter 17:19, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
The issue of the Winston Cup drivers being in Martinsville on DD has come to my mind before. I never wrote it up because I didn't know when the race was (though I assumed it would almost certainly be in the afternoon), and how soon the drivers and their crews would have left the track. I would also want to know for certain if there were RVs at the track used by fans; they conceivably could have formed the base for a refugee community set up at the track.
On a side note, I referenced Martinsville and Danville here, on the North Carolina page. Looking at the Virginia page, Danville is listed as one of the main cities in that nation. So, we'll need to confirm with Yank that Danville is known to the Virginians and part of their country; I wrote the part on the NC page w/o being aware of Danville's one and only mention on the Virginia page. If that is the case, then Martinsville would have to be known to the Virginians as well, and part of the republic.BrianD 18:09, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
I'd imagine, if 80s' NASCAR culture was anything like the modern style, there would certainly be SOME RVs present, or at the very least, tow-behind campers. The drivers probably had RVs on-site as well. I don't know how soon they pull out after a race, though. The haulers with the cars on board leave almost immediately so they can get back to the shop. Drivers often stick around for press conferences, interviews, etc. But yeah, if you want to be 100% sure, I guess we'd have to check sports results from that time period. I don't know who had the TV deal with NASCAR back then, but the idea that there was a satellite truck and a TV crew on the scene is pretty tempting, too... -hx 02:49, April 29, 2011 (UTC)
There was no TV deal in 1983 according to "Tum's Fast Relief 500" article on Wikipedia. The race was then called the "Goody's 500" (1983-1995). The first cable network provider for tape-delayed races such as this one began in 1984. ESPN began in 1988. The way I figure it nearby Martinsville may have had weekend facilities for drivers and crews and even fans from out of state. Events at the track were probably over by the time Greensboro was bombed. --SouthWriter 14:13, April 29, 2011 (UTC)
Michael Jordan[]
Did he make it or not? Godfrey Raphael 13:37, October 26, 2011 (UTC)
http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:North_Carolina_(1983:_Doomsday)#Michael_Jordan.3F
Highly Unlikely.
Lordganon 15:30, October 26, 2011 (UTC)
- Since the city where he was only fell apart due to the chaos - not having been directly hit - it is possible. Like I said at the NC talk page, though, it is up to the editor to make it happen. At another place it has been pointed out that Jordan is a fighter who makes things happen; so if anyone survives, it is people like him. If you want him to 'make it' present a proposal of the scenario at Chapel Hill on DD and afterwards. If he made it, though, he probably wouldn't be playing basketball today (if he survived to the present day, that is). SouthWriter 19:01, October 26, 2011 (UTC)
- I'll second what South said. Feel free to write up a proposal regarding Chapel Hill, and UNC, and Michael Jordan (I would also touch on Durham, as well as the effects of the strikes on nearby Raleigh and Greensboro). Use this for reference on the currently known list of survivor communities in the state. BrianD 19:55, October 29, 2011 (UTC)