Honoring Abraham Lincoln?[]
Why would they after Doomsday get these touchy-feely feelings about Abe Lincoln? He really didn't do anything to deserve his own neutral party. Arstarpool 04:29, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
People love Lincoln get over it but I agree somewhat with you, I think the author of this article thinks far too highly of politicians in a crisis and in general. --GOPZACK 05:28, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
Yank's articles on the former USA confuse me most of the time.
Really, is there a need to honor a president who has been dead for 140 years? Arstarpool 05:52, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
I don't see the harm in naming a building or erecting a statue in his honor but still this National Union Party can't work in its present form. Like in the Lincoln Nebraska Article there one was a religion there that represented over 20% of the population that hailed him a deity. Needless to say I fought that down to a mere fringe group. P.S Sorry for not catching that typo, it made me seem rather creepy by saying "I age with you" lol --GOPZACK 06:14, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
If it weren't for Abraham Lincoln's leadership, the United States would have been split into two nations, and he transformed the US from a group of somewhat independant states into one nation. He is known as either the greatest or second greatest president depending on who you ask. Besides, the nation of Vandalia is samck dab in the middle of the state known as the "Land of Lincoln".
Yankovic270 15:40, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
No, the somewhat independant states was corrected by whoever abolished the Articles of Confederation back in like the 1700's. Just because a place is called the land of Lincoln doesn't mean everyone has a tattoo of Abe Lincoln or named their kid Abraham there. That's just a nickname slapped on the place back in the 1800's. Arstarpool 16:23, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
- I can't believe this article got by me! Anyway, I have to agree with Yank on this one. To a point, anyway. Lincoln's main reason for going to war with the southern states was to preserve the "union." That was the point of running for the second term under the "National Union Party" banner He chose a Democrat from Tennessee (the military governor of an occupied southern state) to fill the ticket.
- The state of Indiana was indeed the "Land of Lincoln," for it is from there that his political career began and flourished. The state has never given up that identification. No tatoos, but I bet there are a lot of bumper stickers and souvenirs with the nickname on it. And back in the days of Lincoln (before the nickname), I'm sure there were plenty of boys named "Abe."
- The Constiutution did not remove the sovereignty of the states, but rather made the central government more managable. It equalized the influence of large states over smaller states by creating a Senate that gave each state equal representation. There was much discussion about states' rights for most of the eighty years between revolutions. If the constitution had removed this sovereignty, the states would not have been able to secede as they did.
- Yes, Alex, there is a "need" to honor such a man. Towns, counties, and now even states in TTL, are named after him. I think the religion thing in Lincoln, though, is a bit odd, but its really minor among the problems in TTL. SouthWriter 18:40, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
Why do you hate Lincoln so much? When Lincoln was assassinated he had the most grand (or at least one of the most grand) funerals of American history! The Lincoln Memorial is practically a temple for the worship of Abe Lincoln! You ask pretty much anyone in America "Who is the greatest President?" or "Who is your favorite President?" and they will mostly answer "Lincoln". Garaunteed. People love Lincoln. Get over it. Honestly, why is it that whenever someone has a problem with my articles these days it's pretty much always Arstar the one complaining? I help you on California and you reward me by constantly whining and complaining about my articles.
Yankovic270 19:07, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, Yank, there is a large portion of those folk in the South that do not think so highly of Lincoln. Lincoln was a mystery, built in to a legend by historians for over fifty years. Only recently have historians been willing to dispel some of the myths. Today, "favorite president" will most likely be one within someone's memory -- Ronald Reagan being high on the list. When pressed, most will still say George Washington fits the bill for "all time best." SouthWriter 19:54, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
- No, Polk was the best! Mitro 22:15, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
IL[]
When I wrote the article on Illinois I intended it to be the last word on what is going on with the state. Now with this article I am not saying it has to go, but it does seem rather large for just one small survivor community. I think Vandalia needs to be scaled back.
Also I removed references to Virginia. Considering that the only Dixie state that Vandalia borders is Kentucky, I really doubt Virginia would take the lead in developing this country. Mitro 14:51, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
My idea of the History of Vanadalia is that it was a city-state, that, with Dixie Alliance help, manages to expand to the surrounding counties.
Yankovic270 18:52, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
- How's this for a map to reflect that idea? Benkarnell 20:38, February 7, 2011 (UTC)
- I like it. It is certainly more realistic than just filling in the squares of a county map. Mitro 22:07, February 7, 2011 (UTC)
- I've made another one that covers more space with less intensity, to give the idea of a sphere of influence that lessens with distance from the center. Above you objected to this page based on the earlier Illinois one. Now that this is accepted, the two need to be brought into agreement. Benkarnell 14:37, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
- I like it. It is certainly more realistic than just filling in the squares of a county map. Mitro 22:07, February 7, 2011 (UTC)