Talk: World War I (Map Game)

Rules

1. A turn is a month.

2. The game will start on 1914 and end at 2010 or when everybody stop editing

3. Nothing ridiculous (i.e Serbia can't take over the whole Ottoman Empire)

4. At least one person must post before you

5. Post a map within the turn, or ask for someone to make it. If not, your post will be deleted

6. If an event is implausible, it will be erased or changed to be plausible.

7. This map game is CLOSED (Which means that you have to sign up and nobody can edit your nation)

8. PLEASE place the images on thumbnail. It looks too large on other ways.

Rule Suggestions

Turn Lengths

Taking turns using months isn't going to be that great when we're at peace. Knowing how impatient we get on map games, I think we're gonna see people developing choppers or tanks in less than a year. Maybe only when there is a major war going on we could slow it down, but in peacetime, going at a year per turn sounds a bit better. BoredMatt 23:32, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Discussions

Starting Map

Here's a starting map I found that we might be able to use. Ownerzmcown 13:56, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

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Ah, thank you, Fedelede 21:56, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

What about this map.Baconton 17:54, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

It's great, but isn't it a bit wrong? Fedelede 17:58, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Wrong how? BoredMatt 23:14, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Umm... China is divided into Britain, a nation on Beijing and Russia, Britain owns Tibet and Oman, Austria owns Italy, Russia owns Mongolia, between a few others.

Good point on china, but I think this is just showing the spheres of influence. I checked the Wikipedia article, and it seems right.

Britian DID own Oman (then called Aden), while Tibet was their protectorate. Same with Russia and mongolia.

And if you expand the map, Italy and AH are different colors. BoredMatt 23:40, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Britain did NOT own Oman. Aden was SOUTH YEMEN. And why does Britain have the Yellow River, Russia northern Uyguristan and Manchuria, and why is there independent nation on Beijing?

Enough People?

I think it is enough people. What do you think? Fedelede 17:48, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

I think it is.99.228.227.139 22:33, June 25, 2010 (UTC)Batmanary

Seems about right. BoredMatt 23:15, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Shouldnt Greece be colored in on the map? BlackSkyEmpire 00:05, June 26, 2010 (UTC)BlackSkyEmpire

lets start

I agree, lets get started already Ownerzmcown 0:16, June 26, 2010

We correct a small parts of the map and we start, k? Fedelede 00:17, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

I thought for a minute that the map colored in was the one we where using for a second, my bad. BlackSkyEmpire 00:32, June 26, 2010 (UTC)BlackSkyEmpire

Franz

If Franz wasn't killed, this will surely be a boring Map Game. I mean, no WWI, leading to no WW2, leading to no Cold War, leading to no Muslim instability, leading to no loss of colonial empire, leading to no Muslim extremist groups, leading to no War on Terror... I will change the post to say that Franz was killed if nobody tells me about their plans to spark a world war. Fedelede 02:32, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Remember Franz wasnt the only thing...in fact you could have Italy declare war on France to grab Africa and Savoy etc etc, plus I still want Austria to annex Serbia.Batmanary 02:37, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Switzerland is now part of Austria.Batmanary 02:57, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

U.S Embargoes

Two things about the U.S embargoes:

1) the U.S.A is not a world power YET. Sure, it is the greatest power on America, but it became a World Power after WW1.

2)

Shipments of grain and oil stop to both Greece and the Ottomans, and the US threatens to close the Panama Canal to any Greek or Turkish ships passing through if both nations don't allow Bulgaria it's independence. As the Turks have very little exploitable oil reserves, and far less arable land, many protests arise, and all their ships not directly involved with the invasion are forced to return to port. Greece, with very little arable land of it's own, thinks about backing down.

Wrong. The Turks own half of Saudi Arabia and most of Mesopotamia, which are respectively rich on oil and easily arable. Fedelede 18:27, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

And remember, we Turks are giving the Greeks any oil we don't use.Eastward Expansion 18:31, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

WRONG!! (Damn, I'm starting to sound like Caltharina :( )The thing is, nobody even knew there was oil in Arabia until the 30's, and the drilling equipment that was needed to exploit it was only made in the 50's. And on the Mesopotamia thing, it has very little actual arable land. While Mesopotamia proper is very fertile, the floods ensure that the land itself cannot support large-scale agriculture. Mesopotamia relied on the floods to support a relatively small population, but the land simply cannot support intensive agriculture due to the need to constantly repair roads, silos, trains, etc. from the floods. And the US isn't a world power, it's just that you can't expand beyond your means, and it just so happens that the US controls those means; namely food and oil. BoredMatt 19:00, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Wow. You really are sounding like Caltharina. First of all the reason nobody knew there was oil their was because of the Ottoman Empire's lack of industrialization. Now can you take a turn and let's move on...

Eastward Expansion 19:01, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

If we must. BoredMatt 19:03, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Invading Serbia

If you read the last turn, Greece and Serbia were the founding members of the Balkans Pact. Why would Greece and Turkey invade them. Even more to the point, why are Greece and Turkey allied? BoredMatt 19:14, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Ok so I changed that. Eastward Expansion 19:31, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

World War One is finally here!

Yay!Eastward Expansion 19:31, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Don't start actually fighting until most of the players are online, otherwise somde nations are going to get fucked. BoredMatt 19:34, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

The austria espionage bit is me so don't delete it. Batmanary

Americans in Africa

No way would the small armies of latin America be able to overpower the second largest military in the world! German colonies were not "unprotected" either. And the fact that the Latin American nations are so willing to fight Britain and America's war is unnerving to say the least. Eastward Expansion 23:01, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

It's also unnerving that the Ottomans can develop the technology to find and exploit deep oil aquifers in only two years, and the austrians can produce a tank that is apparently as fast and reliable as a OTL WWII tank. But yea, on the Latins invading Africa, that is a bit unrealistic. I'll roll that back. Their navies just weren't that developed. However, you do have to realize that in OTL, South African troops overwelmed Namibia and Tanzania within the first year of the war. Germany had hardly 8,000 troops in their entire African colonies. Most of their troops would be in Europe. BoredMatt 23:14, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Peace?

CURRENT TERMS, AS PROPOSED BY CP

Italy gets Nice, and the surrounding land.

The US gets control of Indochina.

The Austrians receive Tunis.

The Ottomans will recieve Aden and the Nile Delta, but the status of the Suez Canal is TBD

If you agree to the terms listed, sign below:

USA: BoredMatt 01:41, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Wait, why does Austria recieve Tunis if I'm the only major member of the alliance that attacked the Maghreb? Fedelede 01:50, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

I put in some terms Batmanary but i dint log in so don't delete, have a look.

The Peace Treaty of Brussels

• Savoy and Nice are returned to Italy

• India, Burma and Sudan will be given to Austria

• French West Africa is given to Italy

• Angola and Mozambique are given to Germany

• demilitarized zone in British Africa.

• Egypt should be ceded to the Ottoman Empire, all of Arabia will go to the Ottoman Empire, as well as the Suez Canal.

• French Indochina is given to US.

• South Africa is divided in three zones with Cape Town going to Germany, Natal going to Austria and Pretoria going to Italy.

• French Equatorial Africa goes to Austria and Canada is given to the US
• The Austro-French border will be fixed at the Saone River
• Malta is given to Greece, as well as Morocco.
• The French-Italian border will be fixed at the Rhone River
• Lyon, on the border between the three nations, will be given to Italy.
• France will be given a maximum army size of 420,000 people.
• Britain's navy will be divided into Austria, Italy, Germany, and Britain itself.
• Britain will be divided into several nations, more specifically:
• The Kingdom of Scotland
• The Kingdom of Ireland
• The Kingdom of Northumbria
• The Kingdom of Cornwall
• The Kingdom of Wales
• The Kingdom of England.

Rhone River border:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Rhone_drainage_basin.png If you agree to the terms listed, sign below:

Italy: Fedelede 02:03, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Austria:Batmanary 02:12, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

I think Greece should get Malta and MoroccoBatmanary 02:15, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

I haven't been on for a while, so who won WW1? Ownerzmcown 2:17, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Centrals are winning. Read the peace treaty and see it is more favourable to Centrals. Shouldn't we give parts of France to Germany? Fedelede 02:34, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think so, cause mainly it was Austria and Italy who attacked France so yeahBatmanary 02:36, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Maps

Tommorrow I will add maps so we can I get updated for all the turns we didn't have a map.Eastward Expansion 01:41, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Time to make a new map showing the Treaty of Florence being respected!!!Batmanary 14:31, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Also i say it becomes June now.

Germany

How about we give all of Germany's colonies in Africa to Britain and France? And it would be nice if they made Sudan independent....Eastward Expansion 12:44, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm? Why giving all of African Germany to France, who lost? Oh, and to further discuss the peace treaty, I made this page: Peace Treaty (World War I Map Game) Fedelede 12:48, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

India

I understand that the CP clearly won the war, but the Austrians have ABSOULUTLY no influence there. The way the CP won the war in the colonies was by convincing the natives that they were able to treat them better than Britain, but how do the Austrians suddenly take control of all of the subcontinent with no military influence there? The Indians aren't very likely to say "oh yes, our evil overlords are defeated, now we're just going to give in to another empire that has no influence, military, economic, or other, in the region, 1/15th of our population, even if they say that they'll treat us better." Wouldn't they be more like "yay thank you Austria/CP, lets ally, while we have independence." It's not very likely for a nation that has more people than the CP combined to just say "let's get a new colonial empire to rule us!! Yea!! Won't it be great!!".

But that's just me.

BoredMatt 23:00, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Economic Alliances

I think we're all trying to lead up to the start of a second world war with this economic alliances. That and make sure we have enough allies. I'm getting increasingly worried about the FTWB. The way that every little nation in the entire world wants to join it. I'm guessing some tiny country will invade another tiny country and then two of out three big "factions" will be at war with each other. And the third will be neutral (at least at the start of the war). I'm pretty sure that due to it's size, the FTWB will be one of the warring Factions, but I don't know what the other one will be. Does anyone have any predictions?Eastward Expansion 13:19, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

The main reason why everybody wants to join the FTWB is really to prevent the Europeans' imperialistic stance on world affairs. Here are the main reasons why the countries that joined, joined:

Sweden: after the recent marriage of somebody (i think you said king carl or something) to the german princess, Germany/EU could say that they now have the right to Sweden, and invade it. Plus, it's not healthy to stand alone when you have an increasingly expansionistic alliance of Germany (Italy?) and Austria right next door.

Netherlands: Right next to an expansionistic Germany and a really pissed-off France, they would need protection, and plus I explained about the rubber thing.

Brazil: South America is pretty much the only uncolonised region of the world (well, it's colonized, technically, but you know what I mean), and Brazil's military (and government) is exteremely similar to what China was like before everybody invaded. It would be in a bad way if any colonial power expressed interest in "colonizing" the region.

The rest of South America that is FTWB is really just a variation on the Brazil model.

And on the war thing, I was thinking it could start out with some dispute between a Continental king in England and his cousins in Europe.

The FTWB won't get into any war unless they are directly attacked.

BoredMatt 13:35, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I suppose the goals of the FTWB and AAMEA are quite the same then. Eastward Expansion 13:41, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I suppose. BoredMatt 13:45, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

FTWB members are:

USA

Mexico

Peru

Venezuela

Brazil

Chile

Argentina

Liberia

Japan

Philippines

Netherlands

Sweden

And it's getting so hard to remember who's in what alliance I've started a list of the AAMEA members,

• The Ottoman Empire
• Sudan
• Persia
• Transcaucus Republic
• Afghanistan
• Turkestan
• Uyghurstan
• Nepal
• Bhutan
• Ethiopia

Now could someone create lists for the EU ?Eastward Expansion 13:29, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Australia and New Zealand

Australia and New Zealand are officially ruled by all the members of the Central Pact. But the Central Pact is becoming irrelevant as little factions are springing up. So who really is in control of Australia and New Zealand?Eastward Expansion 14:02, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

If we do get in another war, I claim New Zealand, Tasmania, and everything south of Goyder's Line in Australia for the US. BoredMatt 15:02, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

How bout we just them into new nations?Eastward Expansion 15:12, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Turko-Austrian War

Well. I knew it. The factions thing is about to start another war. I don't think we should call it World War 2, but something more like the Turko-Austrian War.Eastward Expansion 19:12, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

• ^^What about the US?^^
• ^^You said the US would only join if Austria was the aggressor^^
• But they are acting agressive in Turkestan (or so you have us think ;D), so the US would count that as agression, would they not?
• But they were aggressive against Turkestan (as you just pointed out) and not the Ottomans. And that was before the AAMEA (including the Ottomans) would have been forced to fight on Turkestan's behalf. And they were aggressive before the Americans said they would fight on our behalf. Pre-existing condition. Now are the Americans in the War or not?
• I was in school, if you hadn't just totally advanced the game so freaking much then i would have withdrawn from Turkestan. Plus when a country is SURROUNDED by another, generally it is influenced by that country, (Nepal and Bhutan). I think that we should have turns and actually wait instead of not giving time to people like me who have to leave for several different reasons. So I would like for this Turko-Austro War to stop. I will leave Turkestan, but i never got to answer that cuz i was in school -Batmanary
• Also can we plz not have people really controlling other countries, I mean then it becomes more of a landgrab. I can understand with the formation of England and stuff since those people weren't responding, but can we not have war? I mean I was in school i come home and Im at war? As far I'm concerned I just signed neutrality for any future conflicts, so just let me keep my conquests( except for Turkestan)
• IM QUITTING, Eastward Expansion edits my posts and you guys are like ganging up onme. Fine have the land! EE just started this so he could go and take some anyways. Batmanary
• I'll rejoin, but please don't like advance the game , unless for sure everyone's playing, cuz I had literally no idea about all the demands and stuff, so yeah.

But the entire point of the war is to get the Austrians out of Turkestan!! That's what I was talking about!! And yes, I'm in, as long as I get control of Australia and New Zealand.

You can have New Zealand and Tasmania. I have a plan of dividing Australia into lots of little zones...Eastward Expansion 19:58, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

If Germany gets all of India, then why couldn't I have Australia?

The entire reason why I'm fighting at all is so I can get Australia!

First of all, all Germany gets is this tiny little peninsula at the end of India. (the rest is given to create the Islamic Republic of India, or is given to Nepal, Bhutan, or Tibet. Second of all, you can have New Zealand Tasmania, Victoria and New South Wales. Western Australia becomes the society of Nations territory. There will be the SON headquarters there. And the rest of Australia becomes an independent nation. Do you like that?Eastward Expansion 20:14, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Australia can have NSW, I want all the farmland, so I'll go with South Australia. BoredMatt 20:18, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Batmanary

Did Batmanary leave? If yes, it looks like if it is your fault, EE.

Fedelede 01:21, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

I have to quit due to going on a trip etc etc and basically yeah, so do wat u want with my territories. Batmanary

Debates

Please don't attack me Greece, The CP must stay united!

should we just go ahead with the allies losing? i mean none of them are even responding so I think we should make a map with the changes and color it in.

That's fine by me, but my paint is (again) not working, so could you do it? BoredMatt 14:35, June 27, 2010 (UTC)