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Change it to 1936. Or should I? Because it sounds better and more was going on in 1936. :P 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:26, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

First things first

We will need a new world map to show how the world would become at around 1940 - after most of the climate had changed on the planet. This will mean large parts of the world will be ice - including a British dominion loyal to the crown, but it will allow us more accurate nations. I also think we should wait until the backstory is fleshed out. :/ 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:25, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Yellowstone Eruption Ash Deposit.jpg

Well, we would need to start actually working on the timeline now instead of later now wouldn't we. Plus, I found this map detailing how much ash and dust would be deposited if Yellowstone did erupt - the area would essentially be uninhabitable for most life because nothing would grow there for the years after the eruption

PESTICIDE (talk) 21:20, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

But once life begins to grow - it will literally explode. melted lava makes for very very fertile soils. Here is the map in progress for the TL.

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I am working on it but do not get too excitied about all the new land - there will be a lot of snow around too which I will find a way of representing on the map. :P 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:33, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Here is Kogasa's OTL vs ATL:

WIP Map (36) OTLvATL.png

I find it to be an extremely useful map and it is very good. 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:38, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

I agree. Let's complete the Italy-Africa chain too perhaps?

(listsquares 2 6 4) -> (16 25 36)

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!) 23:12, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Lemme have a look. 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:33, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Blank Geographical Map (36).png

This is another map showing whatever borders of the world that are still there. Many seem to be in the middle of nowhere due to lan around it having risen up. I have a dilemma, however. Should I remove all the borders completely to have a blank map which would be good to look at and have a reference at? Thoughts? 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:50, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

I noticed this map completely covers the west coast, unlike some of the earlier maps. Might want to move the gray area in a bit so that all the articles about the West Coast aren't obsolete. Mscoree (talk) 20:20, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Since the west coast is right on the edge of the blast anyway that would probably mean they're the least damaged within the gray, and eventually becomes re-inhabited. For map purposes though I think we should just move the gray in a bit, so that on maps showing nations the west coast states stick out in the edge of the blast radius. Mscoree (talk) 20:24, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Ms, the earlier maps were uncanon and did not take into account the largeness of the supervolcano. Still, should I leave this map like this or make it completely blank so it is easier to see the new land and the eventual snow? 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:51, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

I believe we agreed that part of the Isles would be ice-free?

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!) [Sometimes the person you take the bullet for is standing behind the trigger!] 14:52, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Does the south look like it has ice? --1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:18, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I'm in.


Stop being an idiot =)

But yeah, there will be huge amounts of changes and destruction around. Just a forewarning. WWII would seem like a picnic compared to the bloodshed which will follow this. :P 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:36, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

It's not possible, Imp. You know me =)

Yeah, well, that explosion needs be larger. We're talking like the Toba Extinction Event if this ever happens.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!) 18:38, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

It will not be that bad though. We have planned it to be ice age inducing but not wiping out all humans or just leaving a small number inducing. I will probably make it bigger soon. :P 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:44, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Say, chaos for a couple of years, like the Year with no Summer, and then summer comes back minus aboutish 2/3 the human population.         Centriflag.jpeg   Lies are all I have. Lies and vaudeville. 

Year with no summer is certain. Most of North America gets killed, and most of northern Europe but not 2/3 of the world. That is too high. You will have to kill of India and China for that - both nation which will actually benefit like 4 years after 36. 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:51, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Unless... Chain reaction with the Ring of Fire? It is possible... In that case we'll have a DD like world, except, you know, less radioactivity.         Centriflag.jpeg   Lies are all I have. Lies and vaudeville. 

I dunno. However, maybe they could become way more active and create land at a hugely faster rate? 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:18, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Right! Simultaneosly helping and hurting humanity.

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Yeah. Makes my map update more believable. :D 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:22, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

What IS your map BTW? I mean...

One sec.

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On the other hand... considering what's happened here with Oct and all... SHFT.

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Whaddya mean? 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:27, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

The Implausogasms have tainted it.

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I mean, one of the mods is OCT.

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Well it was his idea for a new community TL. The supervolcano thing was local's idea. The map was my idea. Toby was one of the guys who got the layout done. We are the four moderators of the TL. And if Oct says anything random - three outvotes one. 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 14:55, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

Can I help with this timeline? Mscoree (talk) 15:33, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, it is a community timeline Praetorian Flag.png RoG Flag.png "Sleeps with the fishes" "An Offer you Can't Refuse." "Make a wish. It'll be your last" Falklands Flag.png

Y'all dat shit be trollin' eff.

If, Imp? If he says something random?

~~Guess Who? ~        Centriflag.jpeg   Lies are all I have. Lies and vaudeville. 

Why is Oct a Mod? Praetorian Flag.png RoG Flag.png "Sleeps with the fishes" "An Offer you Can't Refuse." "Make a wish. It'll be your last" Falklands Flag.png


Kudos to Local for guessing who. xD

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Also, who has MODERATORS for community TLs?

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Guess who's idea it was? Praetorian Flag.png RoG Flag.png "Sleeps with the fishes" "An Offer you Can't Refuse." "Make a wish. It'll be your last" Falklands Flag.png

The idiot formally known as Octavian Marius?

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Mhmm Praetorian Flag.png RoG Flag.png "Sleeps with the fishes" "An Offer you Can't Refuse." "Make a wish. It'll be your last" Falklands Flag.png Made the date and helped get it going, and made the first page. Flag of Russian Alaska (HR).svg OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM User talk:Octavian Marius

Some pages

I request to others that the pages of the Great Chaos and Climate are left to me as they will make up the backbone of the timeline. If you have any suggestions, you call tell me however. 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:20, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

I have a proprisition. Some who have coastal access to the Pacific escape by boat and eventually form a Confederation in the middle of Pacific. This is UglyTurtle, Signing off. 18:36, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

Right, since the explosion would have thrown up a bunch of pacific islands, we could have American refugees flee there.

Also, I hope no one minds; but I just added a page here...

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Most of that area would be under snow or glaciers... 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:39, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

Yep. I know. But, it could still be pretty powerful...

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Why was my name removed from moderator, i was one of the founders. Flag of Russian Alaska (HR).svg OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM User talk:Octavian Marius 19:30, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

A) Because this isn't an effing map game. We don't need moderators.

B) You really want an answer to that question?

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I think most of us might decide against moderators, or at least the word moderator. 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:47, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

Does anyone know the proposal template? Oct doesn't seem to know what it is, and I dint know how to put it on his articles Praetorian Flag.png RoG Flag.png "Sleeps with the fishes" "An Offer you Can't Refuse." "Make a wish. It'll be your last" Falklands Flag.png

{{Proposal}}. Simple enough lol. 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:55, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

No, don't use that.

Use {{Template: Proposal |timeline = Yellowstone: 1936}} That way you get the Timeline name too.         Centriflag.jpeg   Lies are all I have. Lies and vaudeville. 


Guns i am also tierd of u thinking u can push me around. Flag of Russian Alaska (HR).svg OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM User talk:Octavian Marius

I think nothing of the sort.

I KNOW (jk).

How the hell can you alternate between accusations and whining with that alacrity and then have the gall to wonder why we don't treat you as an equal?

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Oct, all you did was say 'We should do another Community TL'. The POD was mine. Map is Imp's. Layout and crap is TOB's. Praetorian Flag.png RoG Flag.png "Sleeps with the fishes" "An Offer you Can't Refuse." "Make a wish. It'll be your last" Falklands Flag.png

Me and Kogasa. We both have contributed to the map. I will make my version the completely blank version and his can be the version to compare the OTL planet to the ATL world. So yea! :D 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:23, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

So to recap, Kogasa, Imp, Toby and I have all contributed more to the 'founding' of this Timeline than you, Oct. Does that answer your question as to why you get no rights? Also, Guns and Imp brought it back from the dead. ~Local

I will happily take the claim for that! :D 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:40, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Credit should go to Imp for raising it. I didn't even know it was dead. He's Christ, the TL's Lazarus, I'm just the guy standing behind him and to the left a little xD.


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Do you think we should abolish the moderator thing going on and just have the guys who founded this run it and orgnaise it? Would that be better? 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:42, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and also, be careful Guns! Oct is Tiered! He is 'One of a series of rows placed one above another: a stadium with four tiers of seats. 2. A rank or & intr.v. tieredtier·ingtiersTo arrange (something) into or rise in tiers:'Praetorian Flag.png RoG Flag.png "Sleeps with the fishes" "An Offer you Can't Refuse." "Make a wish. It'll be your last" Falklands Flag.png

Why don't we just do what Apocalypse 2012 did, and just have a list of contributors on the main page. We will all just regulate each other. Mscoree (talk) 19:52, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Right. Let's also NOT do the other thing A2012 did (let it die, that is).         Centriflag.jpeg   Lies are all I have. Lies and vaudeville.  p

I like the idea of the founders running it (Me). Flag of the Peoples Republic of America.png Comrade Marius Flag of the Alaskan Socialist Republic (Russian America).svg

Except you didn't found it... You said 'Let's make a community TL'.

Local had the idea. Toby made the layout and the page, I believe. Imp and Kogasa made the map. Imp and I 'revived' it. You... uhhh...

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!) 23:24, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Helped set it and came up with a few MAJOR details. War flag of the Italian Social Republic.svg Oct, Hail MariusFlag of Nazi Austria (No Belgium).svg

Look, Oct, no one's denying that you've done quite a bit of decent work here. But you aren't going to lead this or anything of the sort. If we were to have a leader (and we certainly will bloody not) it would be Local or Imp.

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Imp. I don't want to leader. Far to much responsibility. If we have a leader, which we shouldn't, imo, then it should be Imp. Praetorian Flag.png RoG Flag.png "Sleeps with the fishes" "An Offer you Can't Refuse." "Make a wish. It'll be your last" Falklands Flag.png

Let's Get to Work, Gentlemen.

Evening, Gents.

Let's get right down to it.

We need to plan for this world.

Firstly, let's make a 1983DD-esque section for each of the Proposals.

Then, let's plan out this forsaken world.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!) 23:10, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Those wishing to officially work should put their names on the main page. I agree with the DD esque proposal. Makes sense. I feel planning this world would take a lot of effort and we need the ideas.

See Guns, I think if the Holy Russian Empire is a modern thing, then it is too small. I also know where you got the idea from. Plus no Holy Russian Empire would be complete without Greece and the Cresent, especially Constantinople.

Plus, in the Great Chaos, a lot of Chinese will die on the hands of the Japanese. For a while at least, Japan will become almost superpower like due to the fact the nation stopping it from expanding has just vanished. It will most certainly carry out a Chinese genocide and use the new lands to farm for its people. The authoritarian nation would probably become our Socialist Siberia, but much meaner and more powerful. SCARY THOUGHT. 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:29, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

And less socialist, of course.

Right, Russia. So control over the Black Sea, Baltic, Aral... THIS IS SUPERPOWER MATERIAL xD.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!) 23:32, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

But I had a civil war planned in Japan, and made it split into some nations. Should I just change it all then? -Kogasa Miko THPW2.png Flag of Europe.svg 2013 November 05, 01:47 (CET)

These are just musings, I think. Perhaps you could have the Japanese rise, then collapse to Civil War? My HRE page mentions a WWII, that could be the reason...

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!) 23:49, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to give it second thoughts. I might just end up having Japan become the Socialist Siberia instead. I'll think about it for a while. -Kogasa Miko THPW2.png Flag of Europe.svg 2013 November 05, 01:56 (CET)

By the way, can we have an official name for the eruption? I've used Eruption Day, but I've seen Yellowstone Event and others...

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!) 16:44, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

I use Yellowstone event

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Well, Kogasa I was a bit on the hesitant site about you doing the Japanese this time. You seem to have a way to get the Japanese nations into a way of democracy and peacefulness - both of which the Japanese here are defiantely not. We are talking about a Japanese Empire on the scale never seen before at all. They will pretty much dominate the east of Asia - especially since they are all connected. Their navy will begin to recieve less focus and the nation will quick to capture tanks and adapt them to their needs. The problems of metals will not exist anymore either as they will be able to transport them from the South. 

And lemme be clear. North America is almost completed dead. Sure, the explosion range is only dark grey but the rest of the continent will suffer indirect effects the most. The most I can see happening is small states on the far east coast who somehow manage to survive. Not to say the ice will make life hell. 

I think Eruption Day sounds better. 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:49, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

I actually have to disagree. Japan will be a massive target for Earthquakes and Tidal Waves- Ring of Fire Chain Reaction, remember?

Yeah, the West Coast is totally open and out.

I like ED better too.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!) 17:58, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

I never said the chain reaction would be so explosive. New land is formed very frequently and we are just accelerating the process with this. Plus, it will take time for the volcanos to go Saint Helen and the Japs already had a large number of troops in Manchuria and a very large navy. As soon as the first land starts to drain, they quickly begin to relocate their people. 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:10, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Is that what they did before the nuclear power plant blew up?

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!) 18:16, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

No one understood nuclear power then like they did now. Everyone knows what a volcano can do since the dawn of man. When Fukushima was under trouble, they evacuated a large area. My point. 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:57, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

No Imp, since the first mountain exploded on man. Praetorian Flag.png RoG Flag.png "Sleeps with the fishes" "An Offer you Can't Refuse." "Make a wish. It'll be your last" Falklands Flag.png

Hahaha, same thing! XD 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:36, November 6, 2013 (UTC)


Ok, guys, we need more history for this TL to work. Let's plot out some very basic things. 

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Got a new idea, third age of imperialism! began in the year 1990 and is going on. It is where new colonies are made in places that have resorted to a tribal setting. Prince Octavian , of Jerusalem, Sicily, and Swabia, and Duke of Amalfi. Coat of Arms of Oct as Duke of Almafi.svg

Well that would be commonplace well before 1990 Oct. The world has become a lot more depopulated and the need will present itself. 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:44, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

What level of technology should humanity be at? Obviously no nuclear technology, powerful computers, satellites, space travel, cell phones, etc. Just so I know. Daeseunglim (talk) 02:42, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, so were assuming World War Two doesn't happen to the extant it did IOTL; and that (possibly) tens of millions of people have died due to the volcano, thus retarding society and technological growth. If I had to guess, the world's technological level would be around 1970's to 1980's levels, with computers similar to those of the 1960's, and space exploration coming in during the turn of the century (so pretty recent) if any at all.
PESTICIDE (talk) 13:05, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Tens of millions doesn't even cut it. Try something around 400 million. We have the Great Chaos and then we have nations looking to rebuild. Germany should get a population boost by the arriving Scandinavians, but they will put a strain on resources and cause greater unrest. The Russians will probably invade Slavic nations which have not been majorly affected by ice and so would probably end up invading most of Eastern Europe - with the dictatorship keeping control of the nation for a while before they descend into chaos. 

The Brits will probably run to India and South Africa - followed by the Canadians. They will set up their new command areas there - probably South Africa would be the main administrative capital for them. They would probably end up uniting their southern African colonies into one major administration. Australia would also remain the other light of the British Empire. We could expect chaos in India but we should have the Brits coming in and stabilising stuff - not after a bloody civil war and a huge famine however. 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:49, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

My Russias basically done. From there, we hath conquered the Norse. And the Slavs. And the Greeks. And some Persians. And a coupld of Turks. IDK.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!) [Sometimes the person you take the bullet for is standing behind the trigger!] 00:42, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Well, we don't know how that will turn out Guns. The territory is under dispute.

In the Middle East, Egypt has become a major power, along with its friends Iraq and later Iran. Eastern Africa is a divided mess (sort of) and so is Arabia. Italian North Africa is split into Tripolitania and Fezzan. Iran includes Azerbaijan and maybe Afghanistan and Tajikistan (I don't know at this point) while Britain still maintains a foothold in Southern Arabia. The Yemens have been united.

"This is not your grave but you are welcome in it." 00:51, November 7, 2013 (UTC)


So, are we creating a whole bunch of nations and making a timeline baout them, or ar we making the timeline and then making nations described in them. either way, we need a TL. Flag of New Mexico.svg Have a fork. Flag of Croatia.svg It might be your last. (Talk to tob)

We're doing this the time-honored manner that spawned the Il Bethisad and 1983: Doomsday Timelines.

We'll make up random stuff then cover it with a timeline later =)

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!) 18:54, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Article Confusion

Many people have been claiming things that belong to other people. Like scraw calaims eire when dase owns it. We need active mods. Flag of Russian Alaska (HR).svg OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM User talk:Octavian Marius

These are all proposals. The first article to be accepted into canon is the one that will be the truth. Likewise, I assume that in order to be accepted, your article has to be all proper and chock full of good content.

            Great Seal of the United States (obverse).svg    SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   00:15, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

No one touch the Middle East, OTL Libya, or Eastern Africa. I have a map and timeline for that in progress.

"This is not your grave but you are welcome in it." 00:22, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

No one touch Germany, Austria, Italy, Slovenia, there is already plans made for those nations. Flag of Russian Alaska (HR).svg OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM User talk:Octavian Marius 02:45, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Also to keep on top of things we should have a off day WHERE NO NEW PAGES CAN BE MADE, to let the admins cetch up and to stop confusion. Flag of Russian Alaska (HR).svg OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM User talk:Octavian Marius 02:45, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Well we can go around making pages obso if we see it fit to be obso, so we already have that power. Right now, it is looking like a lot of your articles will end up so. 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:19, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

^ Austria can't do ANY of what you have it doing. Italy... will be dealt with later (When I have read them) Praetorian Flag.png RoG Flag.png "Sleeps with the fishes" "An Offer you Can't Refuse." "Make a wish. It'll be your last" Falklands Flag.png

Yellowstone Security Council

I'd like to bring up an idea I had today in the live chat. I was thinking that we have five or six contributors who review and approve articles, acting as a sort of security council, with the ability to vote and veto just like in the OTL UN. We could even turn this into a fictitious organization, kind of like how 1983: Doomsday has the WCRB. Once we progress the timeline far enough we can make some sort of UN-style organization. This way we can quickly approve some of the first articles and start establishing a canon to work off of. Let me know what you think. Mscoree (talk) 04:43, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Great idea.             Ancapflag.svg   I find your lack of faith disturbing.  09:34, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Good Idea, but won't it swiftly descend into arguments? Praetorian Flag.png RoG Flag.png "Sleeps with the fishes" "An Offer you Can't Refuse." "Make a wish. It'll be your last" Falklands Flag.png

If we do it right I could potentially stop arguments. Mscoree (talk) 13:16, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Pretty much. Right now, the only possible people I would see in this council are Me, Local and Ms. The fact remains that our combined edit numbers of 27.8k speak for ourselves. 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 13:19, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Similar to how LG reviews articles in 1983, we would review articles here. Mscoree (talk) 13:30, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Guns? Praetorian Flag.png RoG Flag.png "Sleeps with the fishes" "An Offer you Can't Refuse." "Make a wish. It'll be your last" Falklands Flag.png

Guns would be a good choice too. Maybe all the people of the " Those Managing the TL" section, and this could replace it. Mscoree (talk) 13:57, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Guns might OP the HRE. But he could be good too. 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:36, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

That's why we need several people on the council to regulate each other. Mscoree (talk) 20:16, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

I support this idea. But always remember that you need an odd number to prevent ties.

            Great Seal of the United States (obverse).svg    SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   23:09, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

So who exactly is on the council to start? Should we do a vote? Mscoree (talk) 23:19, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

After talking on the live chat it has been decided that Imp, Local, and myself shall be the first three members of the security council. TOB and Reximus have been made junior moderators for now. Mscoree (talk) 23:28, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Gee, bad junior mods much? Throw Guns in there and take one of them out.

            Great Seal of the United States (obverse).svg    SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   23:30, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Trying to figure out what makes me a bad junior mod... I can't think of anything, really.
            Ancapflag.svg   I find your lack of faith disturbing.  04:58, November 10, 2013 (UTC)
You have no idea how hard the other side fought to make it somewhere near the OTL date. Believe me, both sides don't like it - so it works! ;) 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 12:51, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

You said odd numbers. As such, you and Guns have the chance to join. However, because no one else was really wanting to take charge and nominated me - if arguments spew out of control - I'll be the one deciding compromises - which will piss off both sides (that'll mean it will be a good compromise). :P 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 00:38, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Considering that your latest "compromise" pissed off just one side, I'm not entirely sure that's correct. ;)
            Great Seal of the United States (obverse).svg    SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   04:49, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I will throw myself in here for consideration for a security council position.

"This is not your grave but you are welcome in it." 01:32, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Here is another way we can go about this. There are 2 levels of the leadership of this TL. There is the YSC, made up of respected members of the TL's community (lets say 2k+ edits, or 500+ edits on this TL alone as a minimum). Then, there is the second group, which serves as a group of advisors to the YSC on the region in question. The YSC relies upon this group, the Regional Managers, to see if an article fits in with the region's history.

Since the YSC is more fleshed out, here is how I see the Regional Management system going: There is a Manager for each continent, and then sub-managers for regions within a continent. (I keep using Europe b/c I am pretty much like the "Regional Manager" for Europe.) There will be sub-managers for Western, Southern, Northern, Central, and Eastern Europe, and the empty roles will be filled by the Regional Manager.

The Regional Managers are sort of like this aspect of 83DD which is not really utilized to its fullest potential. Sub-regional managers can be on the YSC, but Regional Managers cannot be a part of the YSC.

            Ancapflag.svg   I find your lack of faith disturbing.  04:46, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with this idea. That's basically what I had in mind with the whole moderators and junior moderators thing. Mscoree (talk) 13:09, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Any objections? I propose the following regional directors (should they not object) based upon expressed interest, ability, and knowledge of the area:

  • Feudal - South America
  • Viva - Africa
  • Rex (me!) - Europe
  • ______ (Ms as Acting) - North America
  • Kogasa - Asia
  • _______ (LMB as Acting) - Ocenia

Acting Regional Directors are members of the YSC, but this won't be considered a violation of the YSC being exclusive to the regional departments.             Ancapflag.svg   Hasta la vista, baby.  03:40, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

UP YOURS. THE MIGHTY GUNS EXISTS SOLELY OUTSIDE THE SYSTEM. Also, I'm a really bad admin. I'll be a senior member, but don't , DON'T make me an admin lol.

Also, Rex, I liked your old slogan better. Especially since now this one just looks like Scraw's pre-lightsaber one.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!) 12:53, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Also, who the hell put together that junior admin list?

Drop Rex and Toby and add Scraw, Viva, and Kogasa.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!) 01:02, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

No, seriously. No offense to Toby or Rex, but frankly, the latter three are a lot more... trustworthy.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!) 01:02, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

...You guys are completely missing that the WCRB "directors" have no role, and are honorary titles we give ourselves, lol. Lordganon (talk) 07:45, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

We know that in 1983 the titles are honorary. This isn't 1983; here they actually have a purpose. Mscoree (talk) 11:37, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

And right now I am heavily doubting ever having the "junior moderator" thing ever take place. Its a bad idea and I do not think it should be around. The Yellowstone Security Council is enough. When we feel a user is good enough to be admitted - they will be. So, if I have support - they junior moderator thing will be completely removed. 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:16, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

Although not completely needed right now, I feel that the junior moderator thing will be helpful for new contributors as the timeline starts to grow. Mscoree (talk) 20:21, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

Why not divvie it into senior and junior editors, and then the YSC. 

The Senior editors have no actual power, but their word carries further. For that we could have Me, MP, Scraw, Viva, maybe a couple of others. But only as long as they have no real power; otherwise, take my name out of there.

~        Centriflag.jpeg   Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo! 

You may know that, Ms, but reading that it's rather apparent that several do not. Lordganon (talk) 12:20, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Bering Strait

Have you folks considered having a Bering Land Bridge or something?

According to the map there already is one. Mscoree (talk) 23:18, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Holy Russian Empire of ASBness


Esteemed members of the Yellowstone Security Council, it is with great respect for the contributions of all contributors that we come before you today to object to the Holy Russian Empire page and subsequent articles.

The Holy Russian Empire is not only overly ASB, it is of such a great size in a region that is lacking of any real political leadership. The aforementioned page, we feel, ought to be deemed obsolete, and the topic of Russia revisited by a concil of the YSC and members of the Yellowstone community.

Following this petition and list of objections is a list of concerned contributors who are willing to revision Russia in the Timeline, and are willing to dedicate themselves to the creation of a more plausible Russia.

List of Objections

Using our best interpretations of the Yellowstone catastrophe, and also utilizing the furthest extent of our abilities to comprehend the immediate and butterfly effects of the eruption, we, the undersigned, hereby object to the following parts of the Holy Russian Empire:

1. The Holy Russian Empire is too big of a nation.
  • The HRE stifles room for future growth in the region of  Russia and Ruthenia
  • The HRE is the largest nation yet on Earth, following a catastrophe, beating the next nations by thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of sq. km.
2. The Holy Roman Empire is a Monarchy.
  • The Russian people (in 1917) just overthrew a monarchy.
  • Regardless of whether the new Tsar is just a "figurehead" he wil be thoroughly hated.
  • The Whites, who would be in favor of a Tsar, largely left Russia after the Civil War.
  • According to the page, Rodion Malinovsky would become the new Tsar.
  • However, there is one small problem. Malinovsky would be in Spain (the Civil War) during E-Day.
  • If you remember North Atlantic travel being cancelled after the volcano in Iceland, just imagine how Malinovsky could get to Russia!
  • Rodion was also only a Chief of Staff of a Cavalry Corps - by no means fit to run a government.
  • He only barely gained national attention after the Spanish Civil War, and was not of note prior.
3. The "Tsar" would not be in Russia during the Eruption.
  • Trotsky was living outside of Oslo, Norway, on E-Day. This puts him about 600 miles from St. Petersburg.
  • According to this  travel site, it would take 13.6 hrs for Trotsky to be in St. Petersburg after E-Day.
  • Trotsky would be in St. Petersburg, where he would be widely considered the heir to the USSR.
4. Leon Trotsky, still beloved, would only be 1 day away from Russia.
5. The "Holy" aspect of Russia had already been largely eliminated.
  • Rodion Malinovsky couldn't practice religion as all Communists had to be atheistic.
  • Even is he only converted to be accepted, he would be ostracized for being unholy.
  • The Orthodox Church was greatly weakened during the 1920s, with tens of thousands killed.
  • See: This, this,  this,and this.
  • The colors of the flag are so absurd that no modern day nation in OTL even has a similar flag.
  • During universal drought and devastation, the dyes cannot be found.
  • No self-respecting government would use such bright colors.
6. The Flag is absurdly colored.
7. Timeline is done way to fast.
  • The speed of the expansion of the HRE is extremely rapid.
  • Malinovsky (who was in Spain) managed, magically it seems, to unite the Soviet military in under 6 months.
  • The huge, bulky, Soviet army, which was starving, managed to be united under a common leader? Feudalism is the more likely result.
  • Zhukov wasn't Malinovsky's CO, nor were they in the same detachment. Therefore, Zhukov could not be the Posadnik.
  • After consolidating control over Moscow, Malinovsky manages to "octuple" the size of his land in under a year. Wouldn't other Soviet warlords put up some fight?
  • Operation Constantine is a huge landgrab that assumes the collapse of the Greek and Yugoslavic nations. Those nations would be better suited climatically, and would not fall easily.
8. Russia is starving.
  • The Soviet population is somewhere around 165 million in 1936.
  • The huge population would not focus on war but on surviving.
  • The Russian climate would be freezing worse than in OTL
  • In the first winter, starvation, freezing, and disease could be accountable for te death of 1 in 3, or a population a little over 100 million. Now, take the initial area controlled by Malinovsky, and he has a tiny, starving, poorly equipped army... that is going to conquer the world?!?


We, the undersigned, hereby petition the YSC to deem the Holy Russian Empire article obsolete, and then draw up a plan for a Russia made up of smaller warlord factions that may eventually unite later on.




Rex, make a fucking template for your sig, seriously. Praetorian Flag.png RoG Flag.png "Sleeps with the fishes" "An Offer you Can't Refuse." "Make a wish. It'll be your last" Falklands Flag.png

I will work on it, LMB! Reximus | Talk to Me!

I have to object here. It isn't that much bigger than say... Britannia? Or Brazil TBH. Britannia, you must remember, also claims Canada, the OTL second largest Nation. Don't make incorrect assertions Praetorian Flag.png RoG Flag.png "Sleeps with the fishes" "An Offer you Can't Refuse." "Make a wish. It'll be your last" Falklands Flag.png

Local, the White Russian Movement sought to return to Russia after the civil war to reinstate the monarchy, and not all of the Russians liked the Soviets. Most of them were forced to serve them since they won the war and had the most guns. There is no reason they could have not defeated the communists following the catastrophe as they were still a major force in the world's political communities during the Interwar and Cold War eras. The Hurian Database Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 20:13, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

I just said that it was not the largest nation in the world... Mafia CBA doing his signature. Don't judge Him. This Sig is inspired by Guns.

Edboy and myself have also raised concerns on the page's talk page. Mscoree (talk) 20:19, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Rex, you just answered most of the problems you post with the existance of the HRE with what? Oh yes, that starvation section. Can you seriously not see that the General would be able to get back through ship or rail - how he probably got there in the first place?

All that cold will cause Stalin to begin to make matters hugely worse - not better at all. Once the Generals depose of Stalin - a spiteful Zhokov would probably decide to kill off who? That's right: Trotsky. He would probably hate how the bureaucracy runs - and no one said anything about transforming the nation into Capitalist - most generals would probably just support nation nation running on communist systems with a Monarch on the throne. And lets be serious - the guy's achievements in OTL speak for themselves.

Sure, the Russians had a revolutution, and true I have not graduated the HRE because I think the USSR would be around for another year or so for the system to completely become in a rot so the HRE could come into existance. Although i do have to agree with the flag - it has completely no meaning. And the way things are going - I have an absolutely awesome idea for the flag (imagine Soviet Flag with a Romanov Eagle and removed of a stickle). Now Red flags are going to be everywhere - correct? 

The biggest example of change I would like to give relating to Timelines would be the new League of Nations in DD. We can all see the first one failed horribly, which is like the first monarchy. Then the UN did good - but nuclear war still broke out and this can be compared to the Soviet Union. Then when a new council for the world came to be - what did they go with - that's right the League of Nations, a la Monarchy.

And overexpansion - are you guys crazy? It takes them 80 years to get that large - even the Tsardom expanded faster than that! And we are not stopping the creation of states in the region - we will have historical nations in the region too as they will exist for a while. They might be around for some 4-5 decades - plenty time to write about their history. And these guys do not even conquer the entire region of former Russia. These guys at best get around 60-70% under their control - out of that only around 40% is mainly properly constructed and has decent amounts of people. Most of that land is outposts. The Japanese are in the east remember?

1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:35, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

But they went through areas wth less people without the technolog of modern day, and not to emntion they didnt go through all of savic europe

~ someone, most probably oct

I'm with Imp.            Great Seal of the United States (obverse).svg    SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   23:53, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

And the Soviet thing, I believe LG does a pretty good explanation of why the nation would fall under turmoil. Guns should be looking to push the date back on his article to follow Canon. 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 00:02, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

This is total and utter bullshit. 

Imp... I agreed that it would come into existence in 1938... long after ED.

Other than that, every single thing you said has either been countered (such as the USSR would survive thing) or is so utterly stupid I refuse to counter it (such as that Malinovsky was not an important general).

I never said Zhukov was Malinovsky's CO.

These guys literally only have Eurasian Russia. Most of Russia is not in this state.

But frankly speaking, the fact that this many people actually people even signed that petition makes me wonder why I even joined this project. Thank you for enlightening me. From now on I'm sticking firmly to ventrues with more intelligent people.

You know what, screw it. Obso the state, or OFA it. I'm done with this idiotic TL. 

Imp, if the article survives this moronicity, it's all yours.

And none of you should be talking about plausibility.

Daxus, your state of Azeropedagon could not exist even without Russia. It's so ASB, it's ridiculous. That four different peoples, all of whom hate each other, would be under the same government in an area with pracitcally no agricultural land...

Rex, I won't even start on you.

Toby. Are you actually serious? You make a Kingdom of Turkey which would be ASB for the exact same reasons listed here for the Kingdom of Russia, and then have the audacity to call me implasible.

In fact, Feud is the only contributor here who I can call actually plausible who has signed that petition.

Feud, you disappoint me.

Guns, from this timeline anyway, out.

Although I disagree with some of the details for the HRE (a consequence of two different writing styles), I definitely do not believe this article should be obsolete. It is one of the timeline's most well written articles thus far, and has a lot of potential. As long as we remain civil and respectful this type of discussion is very beneficial, although this may not of been the way to do it. I agree with Guns in regards to Azeropedagon, as we've discussed before, but that is a discussion for another time. I think Guns has sorted out most of those objections at this point, so I think further writing of the pre-formation history could be useful to sort out the rest. Mscoree (talk) 01:36, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

So Pretty much i like the concept but not its formation, the Nation needs to be rewritted to fit into the story a bit better. Lets also not forget that Russia cause of Ice and What not would be a decent amount of Smaller nations. With that much ice and little arable land some areas would be vying for larger control over others. As it Stands i want articles to be canon but they need to be written in such a way that they can fit in well and not have any outrageous claims. So please fix the size, and origins and well be good. The Unchallenged Conqueror #FP (Talk to Me) 02:53, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

The Size is, imo, fine. They spent 80 years getting there, and let's face it, Europe isn't all that powerful. Praetorian Flag.png RoG Flag.png "Sleeps with the fishes" "An Offer you Can't Refuse." "Make a wish. It'll be your last" Falklands Flag.png

Look, if yhou want to give me arguments - then do so in the form Yank did. He had reasons I could listen to and try to convey back my response. Don't make bullshit things like this which will only accomplish the pushing away of someof the most experienced users on the wiki. 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:48, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

The nation itself seems plausable enough, but needs to be seriously redone, mainly the Culture section, which seems to be done very rushed, and only takes into account (seemingly) the author's preferences. Phyrexia symbol.png Yawgmoth, Lord of the Wastes Phyrexia symbol.png. Also, I believe much of Siberia will be let go.

Imp's Idea

I'd like to open a discussion on Imp's idea; "Instead of trying to work upto modern day for now, we cut our losses and put the TL date at 1973". I for one am more in favor of going to modern times, but in order to do that we have to look at the timeline differently. The article PUSA for example has less arguments since the history starts at 1936 and goes forward. If I were to draw a random map of what PUSA might look like in 2013 there would be a lot of arguments, since the history was never sorted out. That's why I think it's important to start small and work your way up. We can go to modern times, but we need explain how the nations get there. Mscoree (talk) 12:26, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

So I hope I have your support in currently only working upto 1973? 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 12:28, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

1973 seems like an arbitrary date, but I do agree it's usually a good idea to get articles on their feet with a few years of history, then proceed. Mscoree (talk) 13:50, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, so currently we work upto 1973. Then we can begin to finish off the rest of the 40 years. 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:34, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

I'm joining

Hey hi guys I have joined and hope to contribute to this timeline.


Welcome to the timeline! Please make sure you place discussion like this in the discussion section next time though, not the current proposals. Mscoree (talk) 13:51, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

Featured Article?

Now that we're getting into the habit of creating some really nice pages I was thinking we could implement a Featured Yellowstone Article of the Month thing, kind of like how NotLAH once did. Featured articles can be nominated like how featured timeline are on the wiki, and then each month we can feature one of them. Thanks, let me know what you think. Mscoree (talk) 15:58, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Let's get the timeline featured first and then we can look into this lol. :) 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 01:32, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

Constitutional Kingdom of Burgundy

Hello! I was wondering if it would be possible for the creation of a constitutional Kingdom of Burgundy within Yellowstone: 1936 and France, based on if one of two proposed scenario's for Germany's invasion and outcome is picked:

1) Germany invades and takes over all of France, but the Free French Army, aided by numerous nations at the time, manages to either inflict enough damage on the German forces in the occupied nation that they are forced into a peace agreement, which would free France. However, when left to the regionalized Free French forces, it ends up divided over arguements of how to best run the nation and it's government, leading to a Balkanized France, which includes the Kingdom of Burgundy.

2) Germany invades and takes over all of France, and goes as normal, creating Vichy France. However, they split it into several different puppets, one of which being Burgundy (Which is in OTL Vichy territory), where they install a French throne claimant as leader of the puppet. 

Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 01:41, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

According to the Great European War Germany annexes all of mainland France. This area specifically might not be the best place for a new nation. Moving this to discussion section. Mscoree (talk) 22:19, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Well, Germany annexing all of Mainland France would more or less destroy the idea of Blitzkrieg. The idea of Blitzkrieg was a lightning offensive that was designed to quickly defeat enemy nations. After Germany faced a food problem, as well as most of Europe facing the same, it makes adherence to Bliztkrieg more plausible in France, even ATL. The Germans used Switzerland as a natural border which the French could not traverse, so the Germans basically drew a line from a point in the Swiss Border to the other end of France and conquered all of that including Paris. They wanted to get France as quickly as possible with as little casualties. This is why they created a Vichy regime in the south, so they didn't have to fight for every single French village, field, and city, avoiding entrenched warfare. Their lacking in food, no matter how much they expand, only makes keeping control over France much harder, as with every bit of land their gain, they also gain people. Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 23:16, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

I see what you're saying, however, it takes Germany years to annex the whole region completely (follow the arrows here). Also they don't have to worry about people as much if many of them are being killed in camps. If they were to set up a puppet in France it would probably be in the far south, and only temporary, since Germany needs to farms of southern France to survive.  Mscoree (talk) 11:31, November 26, 2013 (UTC)


Can I join? :D Flag of South Korea.png PitaKang- My Life for Aiur! En Taro Tassadar 23:07, December 12, 2013 (UTC)

I think this is dead...

Went a bit implausible, and then several key members quit (says one of said of key members modestly), and the last edit was on the 4th, soo...

        Centriflag.jpeg   Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo!  23:10, December 12, 2013 (UTC)

On the 4th? All me and Ms and Feud talk about on chat is Yellowstone. All me and Fed and Yank talk about is Yellowstone. It's not dead Pita - some would just like to claim it is so. Welcome to the TL! Sign your name on the main page and we are good to go. :) 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:25, December 12, 2013 (UTC)

The last edit on this page was the fourth...

My bad.

<that sexy wink that annoys everyone>

        Centriflag.jpeg   Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo!  23:27, December 12, 2013 (UTC)

*Imp facepalms*

So yeah, you might want to read into the very few canon articles present, lol and decide which areas you would like to contribute to. :D 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:31, December 12, 2013 (UTC)

This timeline is not inactive or dead. Guns rage quit the timeline and is a bit mad about it still, so just ignore that. Mscoree (talk) 02:04, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

A Few Points

A few problems I see with the timeline so far.

1. Japan’s reaction to the apocalypse: With the US out of the picture, Japan is suddenly very, very vulnerable. Why? Oil. Japan, at that time was 100% dependent on oil imports from the US. There’s no way they could have covered 1936-1939 without striking as soon as the event happened. They, of course, could have easily taken the Dutch East Indies at this point. But Koga needs to change some of that.

2. Egypt: Saying that the eruption of Yellowstone didn’t affect Egypt is complete BS. You know where Egypt got its money? Cotton. The Great Depression completely shut down the Egyptian economy. Now imagine this: no one wants to buy cotton anymore. Literally no one. What happens? Economy down the toilet. And at that point, there was major political turmoil and the collapse of the economy at that point would probably have led to the collapse of Egypt itself, not its prosperity like in the Article. Other problems are the consequent wars, when all those nations would also probably have collapsed. (Syria might have survived, but probably not).

3. New York, Chicago, all the Northern cities- shouldn’t they all be too cold? Not too cold to live, but cold enough that most people would migrate south. Especially Chicago seems sketchy. It would probably have been abandoned and still be abandoned.

4. Roman Empire- why is a nation in Greece called the Roman Empire?

5. Just more stuff like that. The problem is people are creating nation profiles and stuff before the Timeline is fully sketched out. We need to complete the timeline before creating the canon.

Flag of South Korea.png PitaKang- My Life for Aiur! En Taro Tassadar 00:07, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

The Byzantine Empire, also known as the Eastern Roman Empire, thought of themselves as Romans . The term "Byzantine" wouldn't become wildly uses until centuries after it fell. Though I agree that the modern state would call itself Byzantine Yank 00:29, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, I was under the impression that the Eastern Roman Empire eventually completely distanced themselves from Rome and became their own unique entity? Also, what about my other points? Flag of South Korea.png PitaKang- My Life for Aiur! En Taro Tassadar 00:45, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

Moved discussion to discussion section. Mscoree (talk) 02:05, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

Since Imp. Kogasa, and myself are the chief writers for Japan and its related articles, I can tell you right away that was our thoughts exactly, and I direct you to the Pacific War page. Secondly, the climate is not instantly changed, so nations like New York and Chicago are able to exist for quite a while. You should probably view the WIP map which shows ice by the modern day here. For example those two particular nations are not iced over. We are currently trying to iron out the timeline, not just nations. People want to make nations, but in many cases they have been reworked/written over to be more plausible. Recently I have been trying to add more to the Overview Timeline, which is where we're listing the history for now. You should probably also view some of the crucial and/or canon pages that we have been ironing out to do this, such as the Great European War (European Theater equivalent. Foundation for European history), PUSA (foundation of North America), Britannia (Still being worked on, but basically Great Britain evacuates to other British areas), and the Pacific War page which I linked earlier (sets the stage for Pacific region). Let me know if you have any other questions about the timeline. Welcome to the timeline! Mscoree (talk) 02:16, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

But the thing is, they need to have struck literally within months of Yellowstone, because they didn't have enough fuel to keep their war machine going for another two years. Flag of South Korea.png PitaKang- My Life for Aiur! En Taro Tassadar 02:20, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

I think that can be arranged. Mscoree (talk) 11:25, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, well you see Pita - in desperate times, desperate measures will be taken. The Japanese will be looking to exploit all and every resource they have under their belt. They would be trading with the Malays and Indonesia until they decided enough people had been evacuated and they could just take the islands and hold them under their control. Although it would mean their campaign would have to slow down considerably, allowing the British some time to develop their defenses on New Guinea... 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:16, December 14, 2013 (UTC)


Winner of the 2014 Stirling for Best New Timeline

Lordganon (talk) 19:51, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Republic of San Diego

I've lived in San Diego all my life, and know nearly all of its history. Could I possibly write the Republic of San Diego page?

Okerson (talk) 15:49, July 25, 2014 (UTC)


Not sure if this timeline is still being monitored or worked on by its owners, but I'd like to adopt this timeline. Vandenhoek (talk) 00:24, May 27, 2018 (UTC)

Article Proposals

Current Proposals

Holy Russian Empire

Made by guns, still a work in progress.

Ok, Almost done here. Map's good, I've got the history and everything planned out... just need to, you know, make it.

        Centriflag.jpeg   Lies are all I have. Lies and vaudeville. 

I will be done soon.

        Centriflag.jpeg   Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo! 

I'm as done as I can get till we up and at some other history.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!) 22:59, November 5, 2013 (UTC)


        Centriflag.jpeg   Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo! 

I object to this only on the grounds that its territory is in dispute.

And fix your sig, please. It is making everyone edit in source mode.

"This is not your grave but you are welcome in it." 00:53, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

I know… I need to fix that.

Actually, I posted this before checking that page *guilty shrug*.         Centriflag.jpeg   Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo! 

Territory is no longer in dispute. I lost Scandanavia and added the Slavic nations.         Centriflag.jpeg   Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo! 

I talked to Imp! WE ARE NOW IN GRAD WEEK!        Centriflag.jpeg   Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo! 

Objections filed.             Ancapflag.svg   Hasta la vista, baby.  08:46, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Federative Republic of Macau

Article about an independent Macau. -Kogasa

Commonwealth of Erie

Daeseunglim (talk)


Daeseunglim (talk) 02:47, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah... Canada is gone Daese. The might have a little bit on the Coast. Can people stop making nations in North America? It is basically dead. Everyone would want to leave. Praetorian Flag.png RoG Flag.png "Sleeps with the fishes" "An Offer you Can't Refuse." "Make a wish. It'll be your last" Falklands Flag.png

That's not the case whatsoever. Mscoree (talk) 18:18, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Believe me Ms, this is not England we are talking about. The nation would begin to become another Antartica, and in the few pockets that people could live at, there will be people. But most with sense will evacuate to British lands - Australia will recieve all this huge boost. I think the Aussie population is at around 6.8 Million in 1936 and an extra 9 million would propel the nation to 1986 levels. The Canadians would get out. 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:41, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

I was talking about how he said North America was dead. That is clearly not true. Even in Canada not everyone will evacuate. Many people will, but I could see the Canadians controlling the southeast provinces for a few years.  After that who knows. Mscoree (talk) 21:13, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Mostly dead then. Same difference. They lost the farmland, and no one else gives enough of a sh*t to give them food. Therefore, dead. Praetorian Flag.png RoG Flag.png "Sleeps with the fishes" "An Offer you Can't Refuse." "Make a wish. It'll be your last" Falklands Flag.png

New England



"This is not your grave but you are welcome in it." 21:42, November 6, 2013 (UTC)


Praetorian Flag.png RoG Flag.png "Sleeps with the fishes" "An Offer you Can't Refuse." "Make a wish. It'll be your last" Falklands Flag.png and probably Imp as well


"This is not your grave but you are welcome in it." 01:07, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Federal Republic of Chicago

List of Presidents of Chicago

The Hurian Database Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 01:14, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Republic of Normandy

By that Mysterious Guns Fellow.

Great Lakes Union

            Great Seal of the United States (obverse).svg    SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   02:09, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Doesn't this infringe on the Republic of Chicago? Also, how can you have a huge union directly outside the line of no life?

~ Giant Guns template

I don't think it does, as Chicago is in Illinois, which this state does not occupy.

I will admit, I do think some of these nations are rather large.

"This is not your grave but you are welcome in it." 02:14, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Ahh. fair enough.

But, yeah, but large, no?

~ Giant Guns template

I actually agree. I was thinking of a Canada-US split soon. Also it's not all that close to the no life zone.

            Great Seal of the United States (obverse).svg    SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   02:22, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Roman Empire

"This is not your grave but you are welcome in it." 02:35, November 7, 2013 (UTC)


"This is not your grave but you are welcome in it." 02:35, November 7, 2013 (UTC)



Article by Mscoree.


Article by Mscoree. Under construction.

Cascadia Alliance

Article by Mscoree.

Any objections to making this series of articles canon? Mscoree (talk) 23:02, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

New Afrika

The Hurian Database Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:24, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Seldom will you hear a person working on the TL say this, but that state is too small to logically support so many people. Have it expand more in the region - many states will be in disarray anyway. A good deal more land on the coasts is pretty much on the cards. Plus maybe look into adding an eagle or lion on the flag too - to show their past heritage. 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 12:47, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Yes sir. And I think I have just the flag for them. :P The Hurian Database Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 03:01, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Sonoran Tribes

Under Construction. Phyrexia symbol.png Yawgmoth, Lord of the Wastes Phyrexia symbol.png


"This is not your grave but you are welcome in it." 01:45, November 10, 2013 (UTC)


Made by Dax, nearly complete.


Made by Daxus, abandoned

Republic of Cuba

Created by LightningLynx89


-Kogasa. Imp will assist as co-author.

Prime Ministers of Japan


I would like to assist with Japan's articles. I can write the page for the Pacific War. Mscoree (talk) 16:49, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I think Kogasa should give his opinion on this. I would be fine, but I would ask you to refrain until more of the work has been laid down lol. :) 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:58, November 10, 2013 (UTC)


Article on Indonesia. - Kogasa

Kingdom of Thailand

Article on Thailand. -Kogasa

Operation Constantine

Ariticle by That Mysterious Guns Fellow.

Attack of the Funnies

WOAH. Guns has now just gone off the chain. ~~Guns, who has a bad habit of talking about himself in the third person xD.

Its a sign of mental instablilty... 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:47, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, because I'm totally mentally stable.

Well, I am, just with a large amount of that Toxoplasma Gondii. Causes reckless behavior in humans.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!) 23:23, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

You did not spell "Humor" properly, you danged Brit!             Ancapflag.svg   Hasta la vista, baby.  23:53, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

I look forward to reading some jokes. Mscoree (talk) 23:55, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

Not a Brit, lol.

Wellish. I spent a lot of my life there, but I live in 'Murica.

So my spelling is halfway. 

It's aluminum, but Humour.

The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!) 23:57, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

Kingdom of Ghana

Object and I will find you and kill you.

        Centriflag.jpeg   Flectere si nequeos superos- Acheronta Movebo! 


Phyrexia symbol.png Yawgmoth, Lord of the Wastes Phyrexia symbol.png I now feel that this page is ready to be graduated. Although this page is not "finished," I really did all I could given the fact that this timeline is still very new, and very little is canon, giving me little to base things such as my foreign relations and history many years past the POD. Of the stuff that I have not worked on, I feel that I have an outline of what I am going to make later on there. I admit that for the Culture, I kind of played it by ear, due to the fact that music especially relies on other nations (I can't play music by ear well in real life.) Anyways, tell me everything about the page. Anything at all!

Veracruz Republic

A nation in northern Mexico. Not sure if possible in this TL, but decided to create it anyway. Enclavehunter (talk) 05:29, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Enclave. Well I am making the Mexico article and although Mexico ends up powerful - early on it did have splinter states. I wonder if you would be interested in making this one of them before it is taken over by Mexico later on. What do you think? :) 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:39, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

Sure. Do you know who would be making the Mexican article? Enclavehunter (talk) 01:20, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Southern Europe

So, I figure a lot of these pages are needed, but are not altogether integral to the overall TL (minus Italy) hencefar, and I am willing and ready to make nation profiles for each of these nations. Under each sub-header, feel free to give ideas. Thanks,             Ancapflag.svg   Hasta la vista, baby.  08:59, November 14, 2013 (UTC)


So far, Franco wins the Civil War much quicker, and ends up able to help Mussolini/Hitler out more in the Great European War, which ends with the acquisition of Gibraltar.

After that, think along the lines of OTL, except Franco has a son, who becomes Caudillo when Francisco dies in the 70s. The monarchy is still restored.


Mussolini and Hitler win, so Mussolini's Italy gets gains in Corsica, Malta, Albania, and Greece. The Fascist system stays in place, and much like other nations, the monarch also remains.

The government of Italy becomes extremely powerful as a result of climate changes, and Italy is a great place to live now.


Technically I did not make this page (ShadowKnights did) but I think that, with the general consensus, I can guide him along the way to make a good series of articles for Greece that match the TL in general, esp. Italian occupation.

Is it ok if i start to colonize. I was thinking of adding in some of the Balkan counties under my country. ShadowKnights1234 6:39 November 14, 2013


So, when Yugoslavia is attacked in the Great European War, Tito still rises to power, and institutes a Fascist state very similar to Italy or Spain, where the king still reigns as a figurehead, but the President has most of the power. Yugoslavia will play a big role in freeing Albania from Italy later on.

What do you think of Yugoslavia staying united? I think with strong leaders (Tito and a King!) it can happen, with maybe a Bosnian rebellion in place of the Serbian-Bosnian War. TOB, I am looking to you on this one!


TBD - Will fit in with Spain


TBD - Will fit in with Italy


Made by Daeseunglim (talk) 10:57, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Kingdom of Turkey

Made by TOB


By 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!)

Republic of the Channel

Article by Mscoree

Federal Republic of Venezuela

Article by The Unchallenged Conqueror #FP (Talk to Me)

And TOB (sorry i expanded on it alot so it could fit in with the Canon.)

Russian Forum

Proposal by 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!)


Proposal by Iam.


Article by Yank 01:33, December 4, 2013 (UTC)

Other U.S. Territories in the Pacific

My proposal are that some of these will be part of the American Pacific-Asiatic Zone while some will be occupied by Japan.

American Samoa

Proposed by User:Gillan1220 Gillan1220 (talk) 03:00, August 6, 2016 (UTC)


Proposed by User:Gillan1220 Gillan1220 (talk) 03:00, August 6, 2016 (UTC)

Howland Island

Proposed by User:Gillan1220 Gillan1220 (talk) 03:00, August 6, 2016 (UTC)

Jarvis Island

Proposed by User:Gillan1220 Gillan1220 (talk) 03:00, August 6, 2016 (UTC)

Kingman Reef

Proposed by User:Gillan1220 Gillan1220 (talk) 03:00, August 6, 2016 (UTC)

Midway Atoll

Proposed by User:Gillan1220 Gillan1220 (talk) 03:00, August 6, 2016 (UTC)

Palmyra Atoll

Proposed by User:Gillan1220 Gillan1220 (talk) 03:00, August 6, 2016 (UTC)

Wake Island

Proposed by User:Gillan1220 Gillan1220 (talk) 03:00, August 6, 2016 (UTC)

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