The Flames of Time

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“	If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.	”
–Carl Sagan.

Welcome to The Flames of Time (TFoT), a community timeline by ThatDudeRightHere that is essentially a mix of alternate history and conworlds, in a similar vein to timelines such as What a Wonderful World and An Honorable Retelling. It is essentially a reboot of the older It Was Always Burning (IWAB), with much of the PoDs that it was planned to have being effectively in this TL.

Rules

Due to TFoT being a community timeline, there has to be rules to it. So, if you want to join, then please read this:

1. Follow the golden rule: treat others how you want to be treated. In other words, be respectful to fellow contributors to the timeline.
2. Before making edits to the TL or creating pages for it, you got to join the timeline, either through the Discord server or through my talk page (already mentioned in contributors).
3. Keep this timeline free of any alien space bat (ASB) elements, such as magic and ISOTs. The only exception to this rule is minor geographical ASBs.
4. No one in the TL's administration has power over the other, and no admin of the TL can abuse their power.
5. Plaigiarism is not allowed, period. Also, try not to copy too many ideas from other timelines.
6. Usage of AI-generated images is permitted, and using AI as an aid to help you write pages is also allowed, but if you use AI to write entire pages, then please rewrite it.

With all that being said, I hope you have fun, and please enjoy the TL!

About cliches

Despite most community timelines banning them, I will not ban cliches. However, you got to make the lore well-written and interesting. For example, if you want to add things such as the CSA to the timeline? Then go ahead, nothing is preventing you. But, please, make it well-written.

Timelines that were merged into The Flames of Time

This is a list of my timelines that have been merged into The Flames of Time.

• Louis Survived

Contributors

If you want to join, here is the Discord server link: https://discord.gg/crD9MpAycK

For those of you who do not have a Discord account, you have one of two options: either one, create a Discord account and then join the server, or two, message me on my talk page where I will eventually reply to edits.

• ThatDudeRightHere (creator and administrator)
• Czechia man (administrator)
• ThatAlternateHistoryLad5 (administrator)
• DudemanTheDude
• Carangejo

Banned people

These are people that do not have access to The Flames of Time, due to their actions on this or other timelines. The reasons will be stated beside their names.

• Jayden (harassment, bigotry, death threats)
• Eggo (harrassment, transphobia, vandalism)
• Adrian teron (transphobia)
• Mati (unauthorized edits and overall being annoying)
• Testingdummynumber55 (bigotry)
• SuperBolt (sending inappropriate questions to minors)
• Al Timotheus (disgusting and unauthorized edits)
• Imperator (unauthorized edits)
• MonitorAnimate (unauthorized edits)
• Generated Narukami (controversial statements)
• Susamogus123124124124124124124 (harassment)
• Flabby cheeks for life (posting NSFW gifs)
• TheRealTaxiDriver (constantly being rude/bigoted)
• Abbyspidey06 (Unauthorized edits)

Points of divergence

Prehistory and Antiquity

• 146 BC: Ancient Carthage is vassalized, not annexed by the Roman Republic, allowing for Punic culture to survive to the present day.
• 30 BC: Cleopatra VII thinks more rationally and does not commit suicide, instead negotiating with Octavian to allow Ptolemaic Egypt to continue surviving, albeit as a vassal state of the Roman Empire.

Middle Ages

• 6th century: Arianism makes it way to Scotland, England and Scandinavia, due to Arian missionaries moving northward and preaching the doctrine throughout the region. It is eventually stamped out by the Chalcedonian doctrine in the British Isles and Scandinavia, but survives in Iceland, Vinland, Greenland, the Isle of Man, and rural parts of Finland.
• 534: The Vandal Kingdom is vassalized by the Eastern Rome instead of fully annexed.
• 590: Someone loyal to Bahram Chobin assassinates Khosrow II while he is on his way to see Maurice, resulting in Bahram, who does not want to continue the conflict with the Eastern Roman Empire, to consolidate his power in Persia.
• 7th century: The Bulgars split and have different migrations than OTL; some end up in the Balkans like in OTL, while some migrate to modern-day Italy, where they become the Vaulgarians.
• 608-610: Since the Byzantine–Sasanian War of 602–628 is averted, Heraclius does not rise to power. This allows for Phocas and his successors to push back the Bulgar and Slav raids for now. This also allows for the survival of the Thraco-Romans, rather than their assimilation.
• 8th century: Andalusia adopts Shia Islam as its main religion.
• 747-749: The Bashmurian Copts take advantage of the Abbasid Revolution (which is much different than OTL due to Baghdad being founded approximately to OTL's Najaf, thus it occurs there instead of Central Asia) in the Umayyad Caliphate, turning the Bashmurian revolts into an Egyptian War of Independence, allowing Egypt to remain Coptic-majority to the present.
• 855: Middle Francia does not collapse, instead it only loses control of Italy. This paves the way for a much stronger Burgundy.
• c. 995-1005: The Vikings, led by Leif Erikson, establish permanent settlements on OTL's Newfoundland, all of which later become Vinland. This goes unknown to Europe, sans the Anglo-Saxon nobility.
• 1008: Due to Islam having a Greco-Roman identity, much of the internal problems of the Caliphate of Córdoba do not exist, as most of the Arab settlers assimilate into the Berber, Muladí and Mozarab population. As such, after the Umayyads are removed, a Muladí dynasty is installed.
• 1025: Srivijaya repels the Chola raids on its territory, as they were made aware of the ambitions of the Cholas a lot earlier, resulting in them being more prepared for the attacks. This results in OTL's Indonesia and Malaysia to remain Hindu, while also allowing for the Cholas to maintain a trade relationship with Srivijaya.
• 1059: Isaac I Komnenos is defeated by the Pechenegs, forcing him to retreat to Constantinople rather than vacationing in Thrace. This averts his illness and overthrow, and butterflies the Battle of Manzikert.
• 1066: After discreetly hearing about and engaging in trans-Atlantic contact, much of the Anglo-Saxon nobility flee to OTL's Prince Edward Island, where a rump Anglo-Saxon kingdom exists to this day.
• 1096-1099: The First Crusade leads to a Roman reconquest of Syria, as well as the establishment of a surviving Kingdom of Jerusalem.
• 1195: Alexios Angelos dies while in imprisonment, preventing the Fourth Crusade from happening on the Eastern Roman Empire.
• 13th century: The Mongol Empire steamrolls through a vastly different Central Asia. Without Islam reaching the region, Zoroastrianism and Nestorianism are adopted by the Mongol elite.
• 1207: Philip Simonsson kills Inge II instead of giving up Sverresborg Castle. He also establishes trade relations with the Icelandic Commonwealth, preventing the Old Covenant from being signed and allowing for the commonwealth's survival.
• 1209-1229: The Albigensian Crusade fails due to lack of support from the Council of Bourges. Not only does this result in Louis VIII's indirect survival, it also leads to the survival of Catharism as an important minority religion in nations such as France and Italy.
• 1249: Andalusia retains control of the Algarves, however, the Reconquista ends in a stalemate, resulting in a religiously-divided Iberia to this day.
• 1282: The Mongols launch a successful invasion of Japan, causing them to ally with the emperor to overthrow the Kamakura shogunate and end military rule, and converting most of the country to Nestorianism. This also paves they way for Japan to become a thalassocratic trading empire centered around Polynesia.
• 1363: The County of Tyrol isn't sold to the Habsburgs, instead it remains a part of Bavaria.
• 1396: As there is no Ottoman Empire, the Second Bulgarian Empire survives.
• 15th century:
  • The State of the Teutonic Order does not assimilate the Old Prussians, resulting in a survival of their culture to the present day.
  • Voyages by Arab, Srivijayan and Chinese traders lead to the Discovery of Australia, leading to a scramble for the continent.
• 1421: Chinese explorer Zheng He lands on what would be the Galapagos archipelago.
• 1477: Charles the Bold emerges victorious in the Battle of Nancy, resulting in Burgundy surviving to the colonial era.

16th to 18th Centuries

• 16th century:
  • Bosnia adopts a form of Protestantism based on the Bosnian Church as its religion.
  • Andalusia colonizes much of OTL's Northeast India, Bengal, and Myanmar.
  • Rhomania, at the same time, colonizes South India.
• 1511: Henry, Duke of Cornwall does not die, allowing for him to succeed his father, Henry VIII to the English throne. This also prevents the Church of England from forming, although England still converts to Protestantism, like in OTL.
• 1520-1521: João Álvares Fagundes doesn't choose Sable Island, instead going for the Canadian mainland, allowing Portugal to colonize much of Canada.
• 1526: As the Ottoman Empire doesn't exist, there is no Battle of Mohács, as such, Louis II survives until 1559. In 1530, he has a legitimate son.
• 1532:
  • The Estates of Brittany reject absorption into France, allowing the Duchy of Brittany to survive as an independent nation in personal union with France.
  • The Inca Empire, with help from the Ming Dynasty, defeats the Spanish conquests, but Spain still vassalizes the Incas. The Incas are not slaughtered, but many of them still succumb to old world diseases.
• 1538: Burgundy colonizes Central America, later Valoisburg.
• 1545: Japanese explorer Hayanari Takagi discovers what is now California.
• 1546: With better leadership, Klein-Venedig survives.
• 1552: Rhomanian settlers establish a colony in Patagonia.
• 1555-1567: Nicolas Durand de Villegaignon is removed from power and replaced by Gaspard II de Coligny, allowing for French Antarctique to survive.
• 1566: Edward VI (not OTL's Edward VI, instead a fictional descendant of a surviving Henry, Duke of Cornwall) marries Mary, Queen of Scots, forming the Kingdom of Great Britain.
• 1576: Duarte, Duke of Guimarães thinks more rationally and doesn't commit suicide, preventing the Portuguese succession crisis of 1580 and the Iberian Union from forming.
• 1609: Ferdinando I de'Medici doesn't die this year, allowing the Thornton expedition to continue and form an Italian colony in what is OTL's French Guiana.
• 1621: Poland-Lithuania colonizes Suriname.
• 1635:
  • Lusatia remains a part of Bohemia.
  • The war between the Northern Yuan and the Later Jin ends in a stalemate, with the Northern Yuan still existing.
• 1644: The Qing Dynasty fails to gain control of all of the Ming Dynasty, thus its rule is limited to Manchuria.
• 1654: With less Portuguese colonial activity in South America, Dutch Brazil survives, eventually becoming Mauritia.
• 1655: New Sweden survives.
• 1658:
  • The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth reforms to the Polish-Lithuanian-Ruthenian Commonwealth.
  • Jacob Kettler is not captured during the Deluge, as such, the Curonian colonies in the Gambia and Trinidad and Tobago survive.
• 1659: The Swedish Gold Coast survives, later becoming Guldkusten during its independence.
• 1661: Ukraine colonizes the Bahamas and Turks and Caicos Islands.
• 1667-1674: The Dutch Republic manages to successfully fend off their New Netherland colony in present-day New York, leading to it surviving.
• 1698: The Darien scheme is averted.
• 1700: Peter I does not leave Narva due to him catching a cold, resulting in Swedish forces capturing him. This, along with a stronger Poland-Lithuania, causes the Great Northern War to end in a minor Swedish victory.
• 1721: Similar to the Acts of Union 1707, an Act of Union between Bohemia, Croatia, and Hungary, creating the United Kingdom of Bohemia, Croatia, and Hungary, later becoming the United Kingdom of Central Europe.
• 1763: As Bohemia was never involved in the Seven Years' War, the Third Silesian War doesn't occur, as such, Silesia remains a part of it.
• 1768-1772: The Polish nobility of the Bar Confederation are more unified, resulting in the Commonwealth sending more troops to fight the Russian Empire. This results in the war ending in a victory for the Confederation, preventing the Partitions of Poland from happening.
• 1775-1783: The American Revolutionary War breaks out due to the American colonies rebelling against their colonial powers, forming the United States.
• 1798: The French forces arrive to aid the Irish rebels during the Battle of Ballinamuck, resulting in the rebellion ending in an Irish victory and the creation of an independent Ireland over a century earlier than in OTL.

19th Century

• 1806:
  • Jacques I of Haiti avoids his assassination, allowing the First Haitian Empire to survive.
  • Austria is a member of the Confederation of the Rhine due to it not being a great power, as well as the German Confederation and the German Empire.
• 1810s: Gold is found in Alaska much earlier than OTL, as such, the Russian Empire does not sell the colony to the U.S., instead expanding on the colony.
• 1823: Agustin de Iturbide does not dissolve congress, as such the First Mexican Empire survives.
• 1825: The Decembrist revolt turns into a Russian revolution, establishing a constitutional monarchy earlier than OTL.
• 1847: Charles Dickens enters politics, becoming prime minister.
• 1848:
  • Revolutions break out in the Lubliner provinces of Poland and Lithuania. While unsuccessful, these reforms help introduce major reforms to the constitution.
• 1859: The peace negotiations between Alexander II and the Circassian chiefs holds, preventing the Circassian genocide from escalating to the scale of OTL.
• 1863: The Confederate States wins the Battle of Gettysburg, due to Robert E. Lee being much more direct in his orders. This allows the Confederate States to win the war and survive, albeit not to the present day.
• 1864-1880: The Confederate Wars break out, due to slave revolts, causing the Confederacy to collapse, and the United Republics of America to form, with its first president being Allen Allensworth.
• 1868-1878: The Ten Years' War becomes a Cuban War of Independence.
• 1889: Nikolay Ivanovich Ashinov maintains more control over his Cossacks and his colony in OTL's Djibouti, leading to Russia colonizing the whole country, and expanding it to the Sultanate of Aussa.

Maps

None made yet.

Important pages

• List of nations
• Public sandbox