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Timeline Redux

18th century

I will be redoing this timeline after much thought, and a very long hiatus! The redo will reflect some oversights I may have had when starting it, and I will try to avoid having an ending in mind this time. Some major details:

  • The Royal Proclamation of 1763 is made after the French and Indian Wars. It establishes an official boundary for the British colonies in North America, and while the boundary is not permanent, the proclamation requires colonies and companies to be granted permission by the Crown to purchase Indian territory past the proclamation line.
  • The massive failure of the Stamp Act of 1765 that caused uproar in the colonies leads to the scrapping of the proposed Townshend Acts. In its stead, the British parliament passes the Quebec Act (reminiscent of the OTL Quebec Act), which gives the Frenchmen more rights including religious freedoms, but also established a non-elective governing body, and harsh taxes on the Quebec citizens. This was seen as a "collective punishment" of sorts as a result of the debt generated in Britain by the Seven Years' War. Generally, the Thirteen Colonies were pleased that their former enemy was given strict terms, but there was worry that Britain could bring new laws stripping the colonies of their right to assembly.
  • The American colonies continue mostly as before, though some feuds continued between the colony of New York and the British crown without the Townshend Acts. Later, in 1774, after years of harsh taxes, French settlers protest the terms of the Quebec Act. The Quebec Uprising takes place. Within a year, the uprising ends in British victory, even with support from France. Massive territorial changes occur in Quebec, including the expansion of Labrador and the Thirteen Colonies.
  • During the rebellion, the American colonies were mostly unsympathetic to the uprising. Furthermore, there would be no united front between the colonies to help end the rebellion, and the colonies at this point were very much independent and separate entities. Unlike what I established previously, there would be no need to create a union of the Thirteen Colonies to form a British America at this point (unlike with the Canadian or Australian confederation, and in the same way that African colonies were different enough not to unite into larger unions). The colonies would continue to be their own separate entities.
  • As a result of the continued loyalty of the Colonies, Britain passes new legislation allowing for elected representatives in British parliament, and also grants several claims to expansion into Indian territory.
  • As before, the devastating defeat of the Quebec rebellion leads to discouragement among rebels in France, even with new debts that would have to be paid to the British. Many revolutionary activities in France are poorly carried through, and with little support. The French rebellions end in uneasy victory for the Crown, but legislation is passed to reduce the King's powers. This ushers in a new era of constitutional monarchy and democracy, but also causes the French to begin a period of isolationism in Europe and across the globe.

19th century

  • A series of treaties facilitated by the British Crown would allow Virginia to expand up to the 41st parallel; Pennsylvania, Connecticut, and Massachusetts to expand into Ohio territory; and Georgia to expand into Mississippi. The expansion looks roughly like these maps.
  • A series of slave revolts in the Americas would lead to an increased resentment towards the practice of slavery. Similar to OTL, the British would ban the import of new slaves from the Atlantic Slave Trade in the early 1800s, and would outright ban the practice in the 1830s. This would lead to some armed conflict with against the British. This Slavers' War would end in a British victory surely, and an affirmation that British law is indeed the law of the land for all British colonies. Ironically, in part due to this war, many North American colonies would seek to have the right to self-governance, and would be the beginning of a push for the establishment of independence through constitutional monarchy.

Notable developments

  • The Spanish retain their authority across the New World. With the British and Spanish dominating, the colonies wished Britain to proceed its expansions with caution to ensure a balance of power in the continent, especially with new conflicts in British Columbia, the growth of Russian influence in Alaska, and the possible expansion of France into Patagonia.
  • Spain's concern over the influence of Britain in the Pacific, which could be a threat to their possessions and economy, could possibly lead to the opening of Japan for trade purposes. In response, it may be interesting to see the British (and perhaps Dutch) attempt to 'open' China to the West to maintain a balance of power with the emergence of Japan, and the expanding influence of Russia in Asia.
  • War in Europe will most likely pit the British and Spanish against each other, and I envision a British victory. If this occurs, Louisiana will likely be taken, and possibly later Texas as a result of settlement. It's unlikely Britain would allow the Thirteen colonies to expand into this territory (akin to how the Canadian colonies would not expand to other British territories, like Rupert's Land, without being part of the same dominion).
  • Eventually, the colonies in North America would seek self-governance. The majority of former British colonies would be granted independence through a series of statues and acts that would establish the British monarch as the head of state, but also give the former colonies the right to their own Constitution and laws.


A list of nations that will more than likely end up existing in this timeline. Note that the Commonwealth nations are fully independent self-governing bodies that share the same constitutional monarch, that of Great Britain (much like the OTL equivalent).

North America

  • California Lone Star Flag 1836 Republic of California
  • Flag of Hawaii (1816) Kingdom of Hawaii
  • MG-Flag-Louisiana Republic of Louisiana
  • No flag Republic of Texas
  • Commonwealth Nations
    • Native Sons of Canada Flag Acadia
    • Metis Red Assiniboia
    • Proposed Flag of Canada (1930) Borealia (HBC)
    • Flag of the Patriote movement (Lower Canada) Canada (Quebec)
    • Flag of Cascadia Cascadia (BC)
    • No flag East Florida
    • Flag of the State of Georgia (non-official) Georgia
    • Flag of Maryland Maryland
    • Newfoundland Tricolour Newfoundland
    • New England pine flag New England
    • Civil Ensign of the United Kingdom New Jersey
    • Flag of New York (Their British America) New York
    • No flag North Carolina
    • Pennsylvania flag by Hellerick Pennsylvania
    • No flag South Carolina
    • Civil Ensign of the United Kingdom Virginia
    • Bonnieblue West Florida
  • Kingdom of Denmark
    • Achen Greenland Flag Proposal Greenland
  • Kingdom of Spain
    • No flag Guatemala
    • Flag of the Mexican Royalists Mexico
    • No flag Yucatan
  • Empire of Russia
    • Flag of Alaska (No Napoleon) Alaska



  • Merchant flag of Japan (1870) Empire of Japan
  • Flag of Russia Empire of Russia

No Belgium

Redux II

Having though it over, I believe I have dramatically underestimated the butterfly effect in this timeline, considering the POD is in the 1830s. As such, I will be redoing the timeline, with the following ideas in mind.

  • With the annexation of Wallonia, the balance of power in Europe begins to be threatened.
  • With the new border by Prussia, the French heavily fortify.
  • Decades later, the French win the Franco-Prussian War, halting Prussia from uniting North and South Germany. The Northern Confederation becomes Germany, while Bavaria and the southern states remain independent.
  • The Second French Empire survives. Napoleon III's son ascends in 1873 as Napoleon IV, who continues his father's expansions in Africa and Asia.
  • Incidents in Africa cause greater tension between Britain and France than OTL
  • The Spanish–American War results in the cession of all Spanish territories in the Pacific to the US

Great War

  • Germany provokes the war by attacking France for the crisis. Britain is cautious to join, as they would be engaging in an offensive war.
  • France and Germany battle it out. Eventually, France expands its influence in Luxembourg and sends its armies through there to fight Germany, which Britain sees as against international law, and joins the war
  • Austria uses the war distraction to try to annex Bosnia, which sends a wave of unrest in eastern Europe, and the Balkans get involved in the war.
  • Russia, still barely recovering from their war with Japan and the revolution, loses its king as well. The army is not as united, and cannot handle warfare, but is dragged in anyway to come to the aid of Serbia and the Balkans
  • Half-way through the war, Italy changes sides and joins the Central powers after a secret German-Italian agreement promising Italy territorial gains from Austria-Hungary.
  • The Ottoman Empire, having an ancient treaty with France, join the war against the Balkan nations in order to curb their influence. The joint-British and German forces tear the Empire apart.
  • The United States, allies with both great powers Britain and France, and enjoying a splendid isolation, does not get involved in this war.
  • The French colonial empire is split between Germany and Britain, and to some extend Italy.
  • Austria-Hungary is dissolved into the Kingdom of Bohemia (protectorate of Germany), the Kingdom of Austria, the Kingdom of Hungary-Croatia, and the Republic of Slovakia. Italy and Russia gain Dalmatia and Galicia, respectively. Bosnia is given to Serbia as a protectorate.
  • Germany absorbs the south German states
  • The Ottoman Empire is succeeded by the Sultanate of Turkey. Germany gains the Levant as a colony. Britain gains Iraq, Palestine, and Assyria as colonies. Russia gains Courduene as a protectorate. Italy gains Albania.


Remaining canon maps.

Bourbon Monarchy

During the Battle of Blenheim of the War of the Spanish Succession in 1704, two Allied military leaders, the Duke of Marlborough and Prince Eugene of Savoy, are wounded and soon killed from stray bullets in battle. The French and Bavarian armies invade Vienna, with help from Marshal Vendôme's army in northern Italy, and soon seize the city. Holy Roman Emperor Leopold I agrees to France's peace terms, and renounces his claim to the Spanish throne, and recognize Philip as the King of Spain.

The Grand Alliance collapses, and soon England and the Netherlands sue for peace. In OTL, one of the clauses of the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713 stated that France was to banish James Edward Stuart’s court from France, but this does not happen ATL. In ATL’s peace treaty, France gains Milan; Philip V is officially declared King; and Louis secures the throne of France for his heirs Louis, Grand Dauphin and his son Louis, Duke of Burgundy, but would not remove Philip from the French line of succession. The war officially ends in December 1704.

Meanwhile in England, the Act of Settlement of 1701 assured Sophia of Hanover’s heir George, Elector of Hanover the right to the crown after Anne’s death. The Act is applied to Scotland in 1707 when the crowns of England and Scotland are joined as Great Britain.

The succession of France was not so simple, however. In 1711, the Grand Dauphin dies of smallpox. A year later, his son Louis, Duke of Burgundy contracts measles from his wife, and their children do as well (in OTL, the youngest child of the Duke, Louis XV, lived and became king). The Grand Dauphin’s entire family dies from disease, leaving Philip the heir to Louis’ throne. By late 1712, Anne is in deteriorating health, but cannot stand to have Philip come to the French throne. Talks are held to urge Louis to name his youngest son, Charles, Duke of Berry, his heir, however Louis would have none of it. Naval and trade disputes between France and Great Britain would continue to increase tension, and finally war is declared in September 1713.

At the death of Anne on Christmas 1713 (a few months earlier than OTL, due to illness), George I is brought to London from Hanover and crowned king. However, Parliamentary disputes and the decline of the Tories caused a new wave of support for the Pretender, James Francis Edward Stuart, who arguably had a stronger claim to the throne. The French and Spanish take advantage of this, and lead what is called the “Bourbon Armada.” James is welcomed by many with open arms, and an English Civil War ensues between the Hanoverian and Jacobite claimants.

In 1715, the great Sun King dies of natural causes. His heir is none other than Philip V, who becomes the King of what historians would call the Bourbon Monarchy: the lands of Spain, France, the lower Netherlands, Milan, Sicily, and Naples.

more to come

Bourbon Monarchy

  • Flag Bourbon Monarchy, 1716:
    • Royal Banner of the Crown of Castille (Habsbourg Style) Crown of Castile
    • Pavillon royal de la France (Crown of) France
      • New France and Louisiana/Canada, West Indies, Acadia, Newfoundland
    • Royal Banner of Aragón Crown of Aragon
      • Naples, Sicily, Milan
    • Flag of the Low Countries Spanish Netherlands

Official languages: Basque, Catalan, French, Galician, Spanish

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