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Commonwealth of Susquehanna (1983: Doomsday)
I know you are not as active in the DD timeline as much anymore, and I am sure you have other responsibilities that keep you busy. Would you be able to look over this page if you have time? I have been working on it since I joined the wiki in 2013, and would like to see if it could be graduated. I am more or less finished with it, but LG doesn't seem to be responding, or tells me I need to change stuff. I respect LG and he has been helpful, but I feel a second opinion is useful.
If not, let me know, and no hard feelings, I would understand. Thank you for your time!
Would North Pennsylvania be interested in a treaty? The main points are forming defined boundaries between the states in unclaimed territory, military, economic, and social cooperation, and diplomatic strength.
Susquehanna is open to possibly joining, but they are almost a direct democracy. I don't know about the others. Godphrey and I are having Reading and Susquehanna sign a treaty. LG didn't think it would happen, but a I am open to examining this closer.
I would want to talk more but I think a military, economic, and political alliance is feasible like OTL NATO/EU.
Ok, erased the train and electricity part. Susquehanna does want to restore domestic electrical services with its own power source. The export thing was more of a wistful dream, but it was still a theory. The coal plant will provide Susquehanna with enough electric.
The education thing was meant: as Susquehanna gains more contact with other nations and in the future is able to contact them and trade, etc, after the global economy reaches a point of interconnectibity, the nation will need students with more education in fields not available in the nation and will need better professors to begin this process. Daeseunglim (talk)
This was my theorized group: Pennsylvania Ecomonic and Defense Organization.
LG said that alliances and treaties are possible right now, but any organization is not. He said that North Pennsylvania gravitated towards Canada, Gettysburg gravitated towards Virginia (that one I did understand), State College drew within itself, and Reading and Susquehanna are fighting Raiders still. Leighton I am turning into a dictatorship because I think we need one in PA. Daeseunglim (talk)
I just asked Godfrey if Reading would be interested as well. I don't think Gettysburg would join, simply due to ties with Virginia. My thoughts would be this:
- Centralize a military command under joint leadership of all the nations, like NATO Supreme Command. Begin to ATTEMPT to standardize ammunition (may not realistically happen for a while).
- Form an economic council. Begin planning a single currency for the nations. 1:1 off the Canadian Dollar. Begin developing all nations starting with NP's port to enter into a global market.
- Begin connecting transportation systems (ie: Roadways, Rail lines, Air). Unify all local airliners (don't know what SC or NP have, Sus has Susquehanna Air) into one, called Pennsylvania Air. Hubs: Leigh Valley IA (if Reading joins), SC IA. Minor hubs: Hazleton IA, NorthEast RA, Bloomsburg RA (IA: International Airport, RA: Regional Airport).
- Begin refurbishing Montour Coal Plant to give PA survivor states a reliable local source of energy. Begin aiding Susquehanna in restarting its energy grid.
- Unify former Penn State Campuses into a system of universities again.
- Susquehanna will step up steel production and sell it at a lower price to the other survivor states.
- Attempt contact with the LoN and possibly try to send ONE ambassador as a group.
- Attempt contact with the USA out west and confirm the ORGANIZATION as the successor state to former PA.
Stuff
Well enough. Normal drama on here, etc. Clearance overall came through last summer, finally able to do things again. Very nice feeling, imo. You?
Everyone's coming and going, like always. Good to see you around and not combative. - was aggravating to see you pop in at random and spout things, lol.
Old proposals... well, the problem is that they aren't even in shape, on average, to be stubs, yet aren't really "not" canon, if that makes any sense, so they really cannot be rendered obsolete. Freely admit that there is a few I avoid dealing with which need to be removed, as I don't want the guy to come back to squabble about it (Caer, fyi) and would just like someone else to ask the question, if you know what I mean.
Though, I do need to do a deep check of the list again, for potential stubs and obs.
As for roadblocks, have tried not to put any in anyone's way, but sometimes... The overall concept escapes them, you know? Dae is an example - what you told him is basically what I've been saying to him for months, but he really hasn't listened. Hopefully now that he listens again, the more extreme parts of that thing (There's like 20 articles proposed that deal with it, imo) will go away and it can be graduated.
Best of my knowledge, no one is actively editing this week~ or so. Imagine it will pick up again next month, like normal.
Other things...
Several of the articles on your page... Have went to others. Can't remember which ones, off hand - up late for me, memory not so good - but there are some.
That USAR thing, as noted in the past, doesn't work the way you proposed it then, and just wrote in now. Nor do you have the authority to just write it in the US article, either. Rework it a bit, somehow, maybe? Less control, imo. Certainly no outright union. Without South, maybe something can actually be done now, lol.
Past that... intentions with articles? Bits and pieces have changed all over, easier to ask than to look. Wish you'd done that first, lol.
Lordganon (talk) 16:14, August 23, 2015 (UTC)
Err... Wisconsin is one of them. Like I said, not sure of the exact ones off the top of my head, but I know that is one. Going to say right now that there will be others you're not aware of.
Hasn't been one caretaker for the US article in a long time.
Yes, sometime in the future is what it points at. That being said... long time off, at earliest. At this point, any sort of union is going to be too much.
What I can see, is some sort of formal recognition of the PUSA as a (given their own status, the Remnant would likely have to word it like that - if it helps, my understanding is that Canada and the CRP have a similar agreement) US government, and an official promise in a formal treaty with the Remnant authorities for them to join eventually. Past that, economic and military agreements. Something like mutual training accords (naval in the islands, land forces on the continent) and agreeing on no-tax zones, no tariffs between them, and the like.
Basically, anything that gives up political control at this time in any way... not happening. A "Part of us but not part of us" arrangement, if that makes sense. Still a whole continent away, and the pUSA doesn't exactly have the best sea access even then. Railway still not close to being done/fixed, for example, and poor roads. Other land routes from there to the sea no better with regards to the usability, and worse overall.
...The problem with him doing those fixes is that they are the tip of the iceberg. He has a lot of sub-articles for that thing that have the same issues, and unfixed older ones, as well as historical problems overall. The kick in the pants from another opinion is nice, though.
As an fyi - NP's involvement in that war, while limited, virtually means that they have to go with Canada. Superior isn't exactly going to be happy about that sort of thing.
The Falls will be staying out. Truth be told, (and it will involve some backdating) the UC is going to see some losses in membership.
Can see the SNU joining the NAU, but by virtue of that, not the CR. While they may have made an agreement, cannot see them stomaching that move right now if the SNU joins.
Lordganon (talk) 13:24, August 26, 2015 (UTC)
...No later than replies from me, Arstar. You've a better excuse, too, lol.
Been thinking on the relationship between them... Do something akin to one of the dominions, using elements from both before and after Westminster. Essentially independent, but in theory answering to the other government. Distance means that Torrington can't really tell it what to to, but in theory part of the same whole. Have them name/elect their governor/president/etc, and Torrington just "confirm" it. Kinda the same concept used in the Dies the Fires series by Tasmania and the South Island of NZ with regards to the British government, if that helps. No representatives to Congress in Torrington or anything like that, though.
You'd need a referendum, though, as to actually doing it, in the Remnant. A lot of people would not be ok with the overall idea.
Joint bases, not much point, really. Distance, remember? Definitely have some naval officers from the Remnant in Oregon helping set things up - they need the actual experience, not what the Oregon government had there (presumably, based on fishing fleets and coast guard). Not much need for an army in the Remnant - I would assume that they have marines instead, with a cadre -but air training of some sort could be useful, maybe something with guerrilla tactics too.
...Seen your bit about the Remnant getting involved in Florida. They really aren't strong enough to even consider it, Arstar. The idea that they would get some territory out of it is simply ridiculous, at best.
Carter, imo, too old to travel much if at all. Yes, I know he does otl, but his health is far better otl than it would be atl.
Something I think likely to happen is some of the states in the SE forming a different new US successor. The same principles that allow Torrington to make the claim to be the successor give almost as much right for other states to do the same - Virginia and Superior, minimum, have both stated such things.
Agree with South mostly on the ex-CS members, though have to think it most likely that Alabama goes EAA while Miss goes with Louisiana, and Tenn goes with Kentucky.
With regards to Dae, I would like to see a lot of that content on the other pages moved, but he wants them there. Really, my two sticking points left are a little bit of the history (re - contact with outside contradicting itself and canon) and military. How on earth he thinks that it can afford to get these things and operate them, let alone fuel and maintain them, is beyond me.
While it may be true that the CR/SNU thing was you and Fx, it still did make some sense on the ground, so to speak. Neither side, especially on the part of the CR, would have been happy with it. County lines are one thing, but... the handling of it would have bad, and leave a lot of bad feelings. The situation in the CR would only served to have made it worse.
The NAU is an interior thing, not something that really needs ports. And the CR is a really bad port, anyway - cannot imagine even today that it would be easy/pleasant getting anything of size in or out of that bay. As for resources... not only is it the same principle in a lot of ways, I can't see it really being worth it. They're only starting to really rebuild the transport network inland, coastal access ism't really there even now - and is concentrated towards Oregon at this point.
Lordganon (talk) 23:24, October 11, 2015 (UTC)
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17:31, August 25, 2015 (UTC)
UC Map & stuff
Just an FYI, you gave Susquehanna Northumberland County, and according to Canon, State College controls it.
Also, I don't care if you want to adjust things on Susquehanna's page. Daeseunglim (talk)
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Re: Oregon
You can adopt it if you like. I haven't been active in quite some time, and whenever I try to come back I can never seem to make it passed the talk pages.Oerwinde (talk) 09:59, September 6, 2015 (UTC)
Question
Hey,
I was wondering if you would possibly have any ideas for Utah after it joined the North American Union. I have a couple, but I don't know if their plausible.
Sincerely,
Enclavehunter Enclavehunter (talk) 03:47, September 7, 2015 (UTC)
North Penn and State College
I will have very limited time to contribute, so why don't you get working on what you want to do? If I have any questions or concerns, I'll raise them with you as need be. --Zack 20:08, September 8, 2015 (UTC)
Saw your post on Godphrey's page, I have a page Pennsylvanian Economic and Defense Organization (1983: Doomsday) put together, and we could build off that I figured. Daeseunglim (talk)
Susquehanna would probably want more decentralized at the moment. The Libertarians are gaining traction esp with the younger population voting. I think my nation would want to use an existing city or town as the capital due to high reconstruction cost of a new capital. Daeseunglim (talk)
Wow...I didn't even realize the abbreviation... Whoops, thx! We should find a new name ASAP. Daeseunglim (talk)
Utah, again
Hey,
I was wondering if you can check out my additions to Utah's main page and the history of Utah. I think I could've worded it better (my grammar sucks), but I think these are good ideas.
I also have to look into this and discuss it with the author, but I read somewhere in Utah's history that there were talks between unification with the Navajo Nation? Plausible?
Sincerely,
Enclavehunter (talk) 17:54, September 21, 2015 (UTC)
Adoption request
Hello Arstarpool! I was wondering if you'd be okay with me adopting the United States Atlantic Remnant article in the 1983 Doomsday timeline. I've got some ideas for continuing the story.
I'd also be interested in adopting the Arkansas page. I read the article's Talk page and there were some very interesting story ideas that were never implemented (esp. regarding the Clintons) that don't contradict any of the established canon. I'd be very interested in finding a way to implement some of those story ideas. Thanks, and I hope you're well! GryffindorKrypton (talk) 02:47, April 2, 2020 (UTC)GryffindorKrypton
