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Vincent Sheheen 2010 SC
I made a stub article about Sheheen winning in 2010, against André Bauer and a second about 2014. I don't know if you'll need them, but if you need an electoral map, you're more than welcome to use mine.
I'm looking forward to your timeline!
Thank you :D Your the first person to have contacted me on the wiki directly and I am most appreciative to have these resources you have provided. I'll be sure to keep in touch and use what you have offered the best I can. I may even contribute to the articles you have shared :)
Baron Joshua (talk) 23:55, January 9, 2018 (UTC)
I'm starting to; from a glance- suspect that Vincent had he won the election in 2010 would be re-elected in 2014 as well- votes for Haley had turned up due to how well the state and her where doing and I can suspect similiar conditions under Vincent and thus that a greater voter turn out would come to his support in the 2014 election. This also allows me to explore how Vincent would have handled the Church shooting and what media attention on Vincent would have done for his career; and how his response would have impacted the state. I'm afraid that I may find something horrifying but having yet to start research into that scenario I can't allow myself to make up my mind on that. I'd have to find interviews or footage of the Senate during that event to garner his perspective and position. Until then I can't dwell on what could be; not with out the facts regarding what was.
Baron Joshua (talk) 02:02, January 12, 2018 (UTC)
RE: Two Japans
Now there is a video by a popular alternate history channel on YouTube, the alternatehistoryhub, which goes into a explanation of operation downfall, the plan, and how it could lead to 2 japans. Now I will explain 2 possible ideas, since I don't fully understand if the would use a third atom bomb or not, that could happen. President Truman is deciding the possibility of using the atomic bomb. While some generals view it as a cruel weapon many see it as a quick end to the war. But then the Soviets launch a full scale invasion of Hokkaido and minor advances into Manchuria. Truman realizes they must act fast. He orders that Operation Downfall happen as fast as they can. The US quickly pulls forces from other battles and Troops from Europe into there plan. They plan on taking Shikoku Island, Toyko, and Kyushu Island. An invasion force larger then that of D-Day. Hundreds of American, Australian, perhaps even Indian and Canadian troops started. First troops troop in by parachutes along with heavy bombing. Now it as estimated that it would take 6 months to end all Japanese resistance. The US focuses mainly on Japan this leaves Korea open to soviet occupation. The us sees that and may send a small invasion force but I doubt it. It takes 2 months to take the southern islands and push into Honshu. Tokyo still held out. In the north Russia has taken most of Hokkaido. The emperor would most likely surrender with this threat. Japan would become a democratic monarchy with the emperor acting like the queen of the uk limited power. They would face a occupation to stave of the soviet bear. Hokkaido and a little of northern Honshu along with Sakhalin island would become a ussr puppet. Korea would either be annexed by the PRC or just a puppet of the ussr or the prc. Japan would be forced to have a military. Perhaps they would join Nato, or the cross oceanic treaty organization, to avoid a war. I could see a Cuban missile crisis happening in Northern Japan do to the threat of hitting Hawaii and even Alaska. Perhaps they would remove them if the us removed there warheads in the south of japan or Alaska. When the USSR falls the North would remain a ally of china but not Russia. Korea could try to become democratic, perhaps facing similar conditions that are happening to north Koreans, or become a capitalist style communist nation like china. The north could do the same and open limited trade with the south. While some would want to unify many wouldn't. It would be a north and south korea style standoff. But do to there similar culture, not being like Korea who hadn't been a nation for many centuries. They had been unified for thousands of years or hundreds. They could perhaps one day unify like west and east Germany. The other scenario. Japan doesn't surrender. Perhaps the Soviets don't invade them stalin may be happy with there European land and maybe strikes back at Finland to annex or puppet them. The US decides to do the unthinkable drop a third bomb and prepare an invasion force. The bomb hits and the us realizes that the emperor wasn't in Kyoto like there intelligence said he was but in Tokyo. His son however was only 12 years old at the time and couldn't rule since he wasn't of age. The USSR then invades Japan and Manchuria. Korea having declared its independence with the death of the emperor. The US then enacts operation downfall. The remaining government leader are unsure of wanting peace or not. Akihito while the next emperor isn't technically in power advises thy do surrender. They do. Korea becomes a democracy. The north Japanese government takes the same land except for Honshu as in the previous scenario. The South becomes democratic but the emperor has a good amount of power. The us aids Korea and south japan. Korea could still face a civil war that could spark north japan to invade the south. If so the US, along with UN forces would either choose one, or try to aid both, the us would aid both even if the un didn't. If so this could cause the north to resent the south and prevent unification resulting in them being like modern day north and south Korea perhaps without a crazed man wanting to attack nations with nukes leading the north. Korea could still spit maybe being slightly smaller since they weren't divided into occupations zones after the war to decide there post war borders. Perhaps the ussr wouldn't fund a Afghanistan campaign but focus on 2 regions closer to them and china korea and japan. Perhaps the ussr would see need to further distract the us from them and send more aid to east Timor, a nation which at some point as a failed ussr attempt to create a oceanic communist regime(This is though unlikely to happen but is interesting). Perhaps the Cuban missile crisis would result in the us pulling missiles out of turkey and south japan. Either way the us would have a love hate relation with south japan. Loving them only cause they aid there efforts in there side in the cold war but resent them since so many lives were lost invading them. South japan would be forced to keep there military. Kyoto would most likely be south japans capital until Tokyo is habitable again. This could force the us to send more aid to rebuild 3 cities not 2. There could be a third one where Toyko is split like berlin but north south and north japan having more of Honshu instead of just a bit of northern Honshu.
^ Above by DiamondTrident
I believe that the monarchy should be kept but would be similar to the British monarchy but holding slightly more power then the queen in the UK does. The queen has the power to start, and/or end war, along with a few other minor powers along with just sort of guiding the government like a advisor. But the emperor might be given slightly more power. Imagine the German Weimer Republic setup. There is there version of a senate or parliament. That has its leader with a good amount of power like a prime minister but above him is the chancellor. The emperor would be the highest level of power but the prime minister and parliament would be able to deny some of his decisions along with keep him in check. If Tokyo was nuked and there emperor was killed there I would have to see his son Akihito not deign perhaps at some other place Kyoto perhaps. If this were the case he would be there new emperor but not of age, being 12 or 13 at this time, he could simply advise them to surrender if the us then invades. The few remaining heads of Japanese state would be advised they should surrender by him and they would have to since he was there god-emperor and the Japanese had to listen to there emperor. One or 2 might not like it since hes not technically of age so he cant be the emperor. This might spark a new party in there Japanese government similar to one it has now wanting to return the emperor to full power. As for the small north japan idea I think that a good but small chunk of northern Honshu, the main Japanese island would be given to them if the ussr had they reached that far. This could lead to the usa fully investing resources into Japan and perhaps not Korea seeing japan as a better stronghold do to the fact the us could make it nearly impossible to invade. Now as for the youtube channel I said you might want to check is not bias. I have seen my fair share of bais alt history videos. This channel is not one of them. He does great research into the topics. A good example is how he actually explained the Nazism ideals instead of mislabeling it as facism as people do. Now I am not saying you have to watch it but his video on operation downfall is a quick but good explanation of the us plan to invade japan. Tokyo was only going to be invading if there southern landings stalled or weren't progressing as well but if it was nuked operation cornet would have been moved northward. Now the US while it did make these plans didn't fully finish some, one being operation cornet to take Tokyo by naval invasion, so some speculation would have to be done on it. DimondTrident (talk) 17:33, January 17, 2018 (UTC)
Also I forgot to mention this but I think the ussr to ease relations with the Japansese might give them Sakhalin now if they only give them pre world war 2 southern half or all if it I don't know but either one would give them more land. The biggest problem North Japan would face is a lower population then the south, if they have northern Sakhalin island then an issue with Russians especially after the soviets fall and they might celebrate there down fall as the party did in are timeline would cause issues. Then theres the fact the south of japan is more suited for farming and has more industry. The north being cold the could face some issues with food and industry the soviets might help them build factories to better stand up to the south. DimondTrident (talk)
Yes I do agree with that I only threw out the split Tokyo idea as a more unlikely but interesting idea. Perhaps the soviets would have the border near the town of Sendai. This gives them a small but good chunk of japan. It is roughly 180 miles or so away from Tokyo. Or for a cleaner line the 46 northern parallel line. That line is close to Sendai. So they could do that or there could be a rougher border set at like in Germany where the armies stopped so maybe a bit more northern if they do the latter and set it at where they stopped. Now maybe, this is unlikely but im throwing it out here, the us and ussr would trade land. Perhaps the ussr would as for some more Japanese land and the us would give them a bit more of korea. Or the us gives Russia more of korea for japan, which is unlikely since the ussr would want as much of japan as possible. This is as I said unlikely unless Russia trades land in Europe as part of the deal. One such territory could be Austria. they were given a small occupation zone but gave it to the allies. Perhaps with threat of another communist state, maybe a United Socialist Republic of Austria-Hungary, the us would trade a bit of japan for Austria. This is of course still unlikely but could be interesting. DimondTrident (talk) 22:30, January 17, 2018 (UTC)
Yea I have know realized I said the wrong degree north. But here what I see happening. The US feels that defending an island is better then defending a small peninsula. So they give the south to Russia, perhaps the south would revolt leading to a small civil war that would result in the north wining, in exchange for Soviet Honshu Island. The Soviets could annex Hokkaido Island. But we want a north japan so that wont happen. Instead a nations similar to the eastern European nations independent but Russia has high influence. This nation would be the islands of Sakhalin, Hokkaido and part of the kuril islands. It could be called the Peoples Republic of the Hokkaido-Karafuto Union, Karafuto is the Japanese name for Sakhalin, or just the Peoples Republic of Northern Japan. Perhaps they would be forced into the Russians sphere of Influence. As for Korea I believe China would be like Russia and heavily try to control some of what they do. After the soviets fall Northern Japan might try to befriend China but it may not. Do to the fact many of atl members of the JCP were born in the south they may not be able to do that. Because in atl they celebrated the ussr downfall. DimondTrident (talk) 01:59, January 18, 2018 (UTC)
I do agree with Sakhalin being Russian control though this may cause tension with them and Russia. Perhaps they would try to take it when the soviet union falls. As for the name. I think that it shouldn't be a cloned name of Korea, no offense, so do to the influence from Russia it would be called the Socialist Republic of Northern Japan. Now if China was able to better influence Korea and North Japan they could adopt some capitalist ideals like china did atl. Now what this could mean is the north opening limited trade and travel with the south. This could help ease remaining cold war tension between them. I think that southern japan would be similar to atls Japan. They could become more industrialized and while maybe not focus as much on entertainment could still. I think once Japan rebuilt Tokyo they may remake it there capital, for obvious reasons. Now one think I think there would be made up war plans during the cold war is 2 things. One a soviet-Japanese plan to invade the Aleutian island and Alaska, this yes would be improbable to do but just a plan that wont get used, the usa would have plans to invade north japan and Korea. There would be north and south invasion planned as well. There may even be a earlier version of a Cuban missle crisis in Japan. With the range of nuclear missiles north japan using Russian missiles could hit Seattle and some other areas in north west America and Canada. Now as for when and what president is leading the us would determine course of action. Maybe missiles in Southern Japan to scare the ussr or a disarming of nukes by the usa elsewhere. DimondTrident (talk) 04:45, January 18, 2018 (UTC)
well the italian ciwil war split italy in four powers
- Kingdom of italy-half of italy excluding milan-headed by vittorio emmanuele
- Republic of milan
- Kingdom of sardina-corsica headed by a ancestor of napoleon
- Kingdom of naples
Thank you.you deserve a place in this timeline as a ruler.
no the map of is for austro-hungarian republic which consist of austria and hungary like checoslovakia,and yes italy will be interesting The kingdom of italy owns everything from rome to venice ecept milan--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 00:20, January 28, 2018 (UTC)
The borders are great!!!, rome was mostly spared from the ciwil war ecept that collosuem and st pethers cathedral were destroyed the few airplanes the four countries had--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 21:33, January 29, 2018 (UTC)
well carol returned becuse there was a referendum if michael oshould continue being king or if carol should return.still carol won the vote by rigging it which onlya few select persons know about.And manny thought king michael was to young--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 11:17, January 31, 2018 (UTC Yea great thanks for your heelp--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 22:50, January 31, 2018 (UTC)
I need a flag reaally quick a usa flag with 51 stars instead of 50--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 13:54, February 6, 2018 (UTC) Well,many of the future american civil war leaders fought in the war therefore giving them military experience,and france was not very happy with the usa but decided not to take any action becuse of troubles in paris.--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 07:52, February 7, 2018 (UTC)
no words can describe how honored and hapy i am to see that you really like my timeline,it makes me feel very happy thatat someone likes it,once again THANK YOU!!=)--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 23:05, February 11, 2018 (UTC)
i need a flag of north vietnam but it should look monarcistic as north vietnam is a absolute monarchy--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 23:19, February 12, 2018 (UTC) after the french lost the first indochinese war in 1925 they were forced to regognice the independence of,laos cambodia, south vietnam(Republic like south korea wants to unite vietnam through diplomiciy and north vietnam absolute monarchy like north korea, NOTEin my timeline korea is united--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 01:38, February 13, 2018 (UTC)
i need your help with finding the leaders of san marino,san marino had a a emergency council in 1923 due to all of the four itaslian countries invading san marino,when the wa<ar was over it regained its independece--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 23:08, February 18, 2018 (UTC) Well the christian democratic party was not founded until 1948--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 07:32, February 19, 2018 (UTC) I have found one the leaderof the peoples party:carlo belsaelmi and manlio gozi--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 11:02, February 19, 2018 (UTC). I have another question now if india secceded from Great britain what would happen to malta?would it be indepwndent?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 11:37, February 19, 2018 (UTC) Tjank you for your help and well the indian revolt triggered the colonies revolt several years later--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 12:30, February 19, 2018 (UTC)
Thabks to youar advice and explanation i have decided,that when the civil war began the papal states took control of rome and declared neutrality,when the st peters basilica was shelled the current pope was killed which brings the question:who is the pope in 1936? Hope you like this idea/--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 07:38, February 21, 2018 (UTC) i choose to head your advice but then another question arises:what would his papal name be?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 11:28, February 21, 2018 (UTC)
and could you possibly(when you have time) do a map of brunei which ows the entire bornea,and a map of sweden owning Åland,and btw check out my latest edit to portugal--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 10:18, February 22, 2018 (UTC) Well in out otl their are rumours and myths that manuel was murdered becuse he was in good health the day,and lets just say the pink ultimatum was never sent--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 14:28, February 24, 2018 (UTC) The pink ultimatum was sent by uk to get aovereignity over portugal colonies which damadged the kings reputation.in this timeline it was never sent--DRAFIGO13 ([[User talk:DRAFIGO13|talk]]) 16:01, February 25, 2018 (UTC)
thanks for your information,as a note albert I is still the king in belgium in 1936 (he did not have the mountain accident) and as such he is still the king,now the question is who is the prime minister?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 11:36, March 1, 2018 (UTC) Now when Albert survives is leopold still the heir apperent--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 23:19, March 4, 2018 (UTC)
just so you know i changed the king of yugoslavia from peter II (He is to young) to alexander I (he survives the assasination attempt in this timeline) what do you think of this idea?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 10:30, March 8, 2018 (UTC)
alright this might be far ftched but this is my direction.after The great war,russia was still plagued by stability issues and independence movements,to quell these movements the russian tsar made a deal with the poles,They get to elect their own king of poland if they stops trying to get indepoendence.
well lenin was on his way to russia when his train "chrashed"he was found dead in the trian by the russian 56 cavalery brigade who was on their way to reinforce the front,that same week stalin was arrested while trying to escape russia,and in 1922 and 1923 the kerensky rebellion and the finnish war for independe happened ´,however they were both beaten back thanks to the help of foreign volunteers and support,does this answer some of your questions?
okey i wont use my poland idea,but russia is very unstable,aside from that i have began working on czecoslovakia (sorry if i misspell it) now i know that edvard Benes was the second president and we wont see germany demanding the sudetenland how will this affect checoslovakia?
Thanks for the info,the idea of mesopotami has intrigued me but were would it be located and what would its capital be?here--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 09:40, March 14, 2018 (UTC) I might just have a idea here but think of a mictonation mesoptamia with babylon as its capital and only city like monacco,whats your opinion on this--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 09:57, March 14, 2018 (UTC)
What goverment would lebanon have?,(in my timeline t.e lawrence is still alive)--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 10:10, March 14, 2018 (UTC) After the Great war te lawrence served as the Brittish ambassador to all of the newly created arab states until 1923 when he was asked by lebanon to help them form a goverment and advise that goverment,but what would be most likely?democrzy?monarchism?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 10:30, March 14, 2018 (UTC) Thats a great explanation!,jordan world be ruled by the hashemites right? And syria would be ruled by...emm i dont know that yet--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 11:03, March 14, 2018 (UTC) could gran colombia have survived until our days? --DRAFIGO13 (talk) 12:55, March 16, 2018 (UTC)
i need your help to find a president and vice president for Gran colombia--DRAFIGO13 ([[User talk:DRAFIGO13|talk]]) 11:43, March 23, 2018 (UTC) I have found one person so far jorge eliecer Gaitan--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 10:21, March 24, 2018 (UTC) have you found a suitable vice presient for gran colombia and in 1925-27 there was a civil war--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 21:34, March 25, 2018 (UTC)
Hello today i come to ask you another question seeing as gran colombia survives,peru bitter after the loss forges an confederation with bolivia thus creating the peru-Bolivian commonwealth how does this idea sound to you?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 11:13, April 3, 2018 (UTC) Im not sure in what way that event would do in my timeline
Monarchist World vs Cromwell the Great
Amusing indeed!!!. Writing out some wild and amusing ideas before I have a writer's block and filling the blanks. Wish good luck and inspiration in your Monarchist World so it can be a ATL in itself--JorgeGG (talk) 01:50, January 30, 2018 (UTC)
- In OTL France served for some time as refuge for the future Charles II and his court. France became an important refugee and center for planning conspiracies and uprisings. Many of Charles II's allies settled there and had some finance from the French Monarchy. Charles brother, the future James II served in the French army. However changes in alliances would drive them to Spain.
At that time France, under Louis XIV very long reign, was going thru a series of battles and diplomacy to become or already was the power of Europe. For example the Franco-Dutch War, War of the League of Augsburg, and War of the Spanish Succession. The later a really messy idea of having a dynastic union of France and Spain. Louis XIV's enlightenment despotism became the model of how to rule for many monarchs in Europe. Besides religion, enlightenment despotism was the one big of the problems of both Charles (I and II) against wiser counsel of people like Lord Edward Hyde of Clarendon. Both Charles wanted to rule in that style but had a rebellious Parliament unlike Louis XI that didn't have or needed to call one for any issue at all. Hope it helps a bit this stuff --JorgeGG (talk) 23:31, January 31, 2018 (UTC)
Re:English Civil War
First of all, please refrain from adding your message to a previous user's conversation.
Secondly, I removed the category in question because we don't allow categories of all wars to exist. Combined with the fact that only two articles were in said category. -- NuclearVacuum 03:36, January 30, 2018 (UTC)
I absolutely love the history. I'm not a big fan of HOI4 though. I've worked on it in other ways outside the narrations. I have also made the portraits for British Naval officers. Doubtful you'll see that though given you don't have the game :P. Furthermore, I was contacted to narrate the current US civil war series but alas I don't have the suitable conditions to record at the moment so the torch was passed onto another. I'll probably do more in the future though if I'm contacted again.
... did you even read the reasoning for why the article was marked for deletion?
Your article does not meet the NAMING RULES of this Wiki (simple as that). This has absolutely nothing to do with the content of the article.
This will be the only time I will be telling you this — READ THE SITE RULES! Don't get mad at me because I'm doing my duties and "correcting" your mistakes. -- NuclearVacuum 02:54, January 31, 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for your apology (it is really appreciated). However, I still insist you read the site rules. I have had to "correct" lots of mistakes you have made over the past few days. It does get tiresome.
When you got time i need a flag for Eldorado and shambala,Eldorados flag should be mayan/incan related--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 08:44, February 5, 2018 (UTC)well in my timeline the incans/Maya actually survives into our day much like the usa inidans in OTL.--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 22:12, February 5,
2018 (UTC) well atlantis is surrounded by a deep mist which require precise navigation tecqniques to be able to sail to it which colombus did not have--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 23:21, February 5, 2018 (UTC)
Well i dont really know a lot about switzerland to be honest but i suppose you could try and prevent it from forming--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 23:17, March 4, 2018 (UTC) well i could adopt it but im working on frederick III lives with you--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 21:10, August 23, 2018 (UTC)
world of nikola tesla
well in that case peter II would most likely have tried to rebuild and reform the country so to have less uprisings,he would also have trouble getting the people to trust him becuse even through he was anti-fascist His regency council signed the ttripartite pact and. this triggered the brittish to make a coup de tat (idk how to spell it) against peter II and proclaimed Peter II as comming of age.he would most likely try and get help from nato as he was prettu much surrounded by communist,albania,bulgaria and romania,hope you like this hypothetical idea--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 11:12, March 15, 2018 (UTC)
I do like it in fact I have been estatic about your response as it gave me focus though as I pondered how to respond while at work I realized that I'll have to determine the fate of Nazi Germany as such would impact the Cold War, and present. I thankfully have some example timelines of Nazis in the 21st Century to look at... it's very complicated. Tesla supported Eugenics but the defeat of the Nazis and the revelation of 'death camps' (consentration camps where not at the time seen as the same thing as it's just consentrations of a people, like Refugee camps are consentrations of a people- even the US had consentration camps- they where seen as detainment centers for population redistribution as the original plan was to export those in the camps to Palastine but the British refused the offer).
Tesla didn't live in OTL long enough to learn about the Holocaust and prior to the war was actually interviewed by a Nazi Appologist (someone attempting to better the American image of Nazis) prior to World War II where in he shared his belief in Eugenics.
This brings me to the second factor- weather or not to end WWII in a situation where upon Nazi Germany (with or without Hitler) survives thus keeping the public from learning of the holocaust and thus from associating genocide with Eugenics... the whole Eugenics side of the timeline isn't something I like but am working with and right now the Greater German Riech or the German Riech surviving seems the only way to keep the Eugenics Tesla supported (selective breeding of mankind and guidance of the breeding instinct thorugh physical education) alive in the 20th century is to prevent the fall of Nazi Germany... the holocaust and it's racial motives are what caused mankind to distance it's self at large from Eugenics. Baron Joshua (talk) 20:00, March 15, 2018 (UTC)
No unified nations
hey baron i just came here to ask you what you think of my new timeline and fascist reich is not dead just on vaccation--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 21:45, May 1, 2018 (UTC) there are no colonies in america left but their will be countries like florida which will be spanish and louisiana france and alaska russian-inuit ,i have also debated if i should have lakota confederacy and cascadia as nations--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 10:21, May 2, 2018 (UTC)
alright this is my idea 1776 the thirten colonies remain brittish until 1823 when the king of england grants them independence to quell the massive rebellions there. in 1856 the treaty of San augustine is signed which says that there shall be no colonies in the america. america becomes usa. in 1860 the civil war happense but noone wins the war and a armistace is signed.
in 1886 a small riot in washington evollves into a country wide riots due to the confederate republic claims the whole of virginia.this propts the us president to invoke martial law without the senate approval and this makes many american countries to seccede from the usa is this more belivable?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 10:38, May 2, 2018 (UTC)
I do appologize for the lack of clarity this morning. Over the time at work today I've managed to start thinking better. I realize now that what I thought was the premise (based on older nationalism such as that which unified Germany and Italy, one with roots in Romantic Nationalism)- isn't the premise. Rather then attempt to clarify what I was saying this morning (as such was partially the result of morning brain)- I'll ask about Spain. I originally thought the premise to be that nations didn't unify (again using an old definition for Nation); thus Germany, Italy, and Spain don't exist. But I think I was likely off in that assumption so I'd like to know what happened with Spain now that my mind has woken up. Baron Joshua (talk) 19:46, May 2, 2018 (UTC) theres no need for an apology your a friend and friends makes mistakes,spain really never existed in this timeline its duvuded into three/four countries --DRAFIGO13 (talk) 22:14, May 2, 2018 (UTC)
well portugal is kinda of united but Galicia ia independent--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 23:45, May 2, 2018 (UTC) If acotland never joined britain who would be its monarch?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 08:00, May 3, 2018 (UTC)
This timeline is set in 1936,also i have the problem of finding the king of castille (one of the four spanish kingdoms in my timeline)--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 10:54, May 3, 2018 (UTC)
hi baron i think i have found who would be king of Scotland,Albrecht, Duke of Bavaria who is recognixed by jacobites to be the rightfull king,what do yoyou think of this?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 23:27, May 4, 2018 (UTC)
well in my timeline russia was never united and is inhabited by many different sttes,duchies,kingdoms,republics etc..one thing that im thinking about is muscovy and novgorod and baron your help is always appreaciated i hope you like this idea--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 21:43, May 15, 2018 (UTC)
now when the king question is done the prime minister question remains,so whou would be the prime minister--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 08:16, May 7, 2018 (UTC) i have also begun to work on venice and italy (venice is still a elective monarchy with a doge)and yes your idea of spain is adopted:)--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 09:31, May 7, 2018 (UTC)
thanks for your answer,i have begun ideacrafting of russia.im thinking of a siberian republic? Note:communism and fascism might be in this timeline im not sure)but probably--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 11:39, May 7, 2018 (UTC)
now i have done navarre and working on Aragon but whou would be the king of Aragon? a bourboun?a habsburg?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 10:41, May 9, 2018 (UTC)now after having done Carphato-ukraine im doing Formosa i need your help to find prime minister and president for formosa (Chai kang sheek perhaps?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 21:05, May 13, 2018 (UTC) hey baron i just wanted your opinion on My carpatho-ukraine article--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 20:52, May 14, 2018 (UTC)
im trying to create natioons that atleeast had some historical info--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 2 1:03, May 14, 2018 (UTC) also you once suggested a nation called courland but i dont know what that country was/is--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 21:05, May 14, 2018 (UTC)
well now i have begun my work on courland but one question is since the last duke died without any male heirs who would be its duke in 1936?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 10:27, May 15, 2018 (UTC) while i was looking at courland i found a russian idea of creating a siberian republic and as in my timeline russia is well...ehm...split into very many parts so a siberian republic maybe?alexander kolchak as its leader?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 10:54, May 15, 2018 (UTC) the article you created is amazing i just have to add the template i always use for leaders but the information will stay. once again THANK YOU--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 21:45, May 15, 2018 (UTC) hi baron what do you think of my crimea article? my ideas for russia is many and one of them is a don-kuban republic or muscovy/novgorod;what is your opinion on this?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 10:22, May 16, 2018 (UTC) hi baron after having looked for aa russian noble family that could fit for the Tsardom of Ingria i finnally found one,the house ofGalitzin,i hope you like this house idea--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 22:37, May 17, 2018 (UTC) The Tsardom of Ingria borders the Republic of KaRelia--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 06:43, May 18, 2018 (UTC) to tell that i would need a map of it but i would suppose a grand duchy would be there,also could you get me a map of muscovy with only moscow and parts of the urals?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 12:07, May 18, 2018 (UTC) hey baaron i was working on Smolensk when i realized that Mikhail tukheavsky was born in the smolensk oblast and therefor a valid candidate for prime minister for smolensk--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 22:15, May 18, 2018 (UTC) I have come to ask for your advice,in my timeline sweden is split up into mimor countries like scania,jämtland etc but could gotland be an idependent country? I mean they had 20k pop then--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 07:19, May 19, 2018 (UTC) Thanks fir your advice,now maybe you could help me as i have a big part if cwntral russia thats not in any country yet do you have any udwas of Countriws fo central russia?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 22:25, May 19, 2018 (UTC) I hooe you like my added info to Carpatho ukraine,anyways could arkhangelak be a communist nation and if yes what communism subtypr--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 10:09, May 21, 2018 (UTC) well in 1935 the third portuguese-castillean war broke out in 1936 negotians between Siberian federation and the Tsardom of Ingria concluded with a formal alliance called the Russian defensive alliance--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 21:28, May 21, 2018 (UTC) Thank you--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 19:13, May 30, 2018 (UTC) Me and colgan disvussed that castille colonized america to have spanish there but they broke free like in otl,what do you think of this idea?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 07:53, June 1, 2018 (UTC) Well courland and castille actually has very good relations and courland bought tobago from castille in exchange for a colony in gambia i think--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 19:35, June 3, 2018 (UTC) im currently working on france and brittany,who would be the duke/king of Brittany?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 20:57, June 3, 2018 (UTC) Just wanted you to know im working on malta/the knights and they will have colonies in the caribbean--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 14:06, June 9, 2018 (UTC) What do you think of my venice and milan articles?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 14:21, June 9, 2018 (UTC) baron as im in at the end of my semester in school i have no time to write but in one week i will most likely be doing articles again--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 21:14, June 12, 2018 (UTC)
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Your kew timeline idea
Guustav IIIs Sweden
hey baron i need your help.in otl swedens current king died in 1947 n and aircrash in my timeline he dont die until 1990 therefore beccoming king.now i cant figure out what royal number he would take in his name--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 22:11, July 10, 2018 (UTC) Thanks baron,also what do you think of the sweden article?,im gonna expand it but im gonna make the king article first.--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 23:26, July 10, 2018 (UTC) hey baron,im gonna be gone for vaccation in austria for seven days so you know also check out my ww2 article for Gustav IIIs sweden.im proud to say its my best and most detailed article--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 22:34, July 27, 2018 (UTC) Hi baron check out the ww2 article its finished.the soviet campaign needs a bit polish othereise om suprr proud of it.--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 20:38, August 4, 2018 (UTC) hhiBaron can you help me find who would be the Grand duke/duchess of oldenburg in 2018? i cant find it.--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 00:10, August 17, 2018 (UTC) hi Baron the mecklenburg-schwerin line became extinct in 2001 but what if they revoked the salic law and aloweed a female member yo rule who would iit be?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 00:45, August 18, 2018 (UTC) hi Baron can you find any female living of the house of saxe altenburg--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 22:56, August 19, 2018 (UTC) What!theres two of them?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 08:53, August 20, 2018 (UTC) the elder line is the one im looking for duchess/ducke salic law can be abolished--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 20:49, August 20, 2018 (UTC) now i might misunderstand you but the timeline is set in 2018 and i cant treally trace any living person from the links you sent me--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 21:06, August 20, 2018 (UTC)
hmm ah i see anyways now this guy here Friedrich Magnus VI, Count of Solms-Wildenfels would apparently be the prince of County (Principality) of Schwarzburg-Sondershausen but its speculative how can a claim be speculative?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 21:49, August 20, 2018 (UTC) i have researched if the reuss elder line could be alive with the salic law abolished and the two i found are these https://gw.geneanet.org/comrade28?lang=en&p=living&n=ehrenburg+warth&oc=1 what you think?are they even realistic?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 22:19, August 20, 2018 (UTC) wow i have serched far and wide and i know are two are alive so should i just give them a random name?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 23:02, August 20, 2018 (UTC)
Friedrich III Lives
Hi baron just wanted you to know that i added a timeline idea to my profile,in which freiderich III of Germany never gets cancer and Wilhelm II does not becme emperor so early
hmm reads your message*why did i not get that idea.that idea will happen and he will have an early diagnos--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 21:55, August 11, 2018 (UTC) Of course sounds like a wonderfull idea --DRAFIGO13 (talk) 19:57, August 15, 2018 (UTC) Yea but im currently focusing on Gustav IIIs sweden--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 21:03, August 15, 2018 (UTC) Just wanted you to know that i wont be anle to write for some time due to the frickin cold.--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 23:09, August 18, 2018 (UTC) Hi baron here is some info about the timeline its set in 1920 no ww1 happened due to Germany refusing to help austria in their war against serbia. Maybe you can use this information and we can discuss the timeline now--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 17:45, August 21, 2018 (UTC) i dont quite get it how we are gonna make the timeline year to year my timeline layout differs agreat deal ffrom yours but im listeining--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 21:32, August 21, 2018 (UTC) it will happen on the 12 of may if thats no to late? ether way how would his quality of life be affacted? like would he still be able to sing and hold speeches?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 22:40, August 21, 2018 (UTC) i will srat working on the artcile in the meantime could you find out how the operation was done back then? also i need a beter name for the timeline i been thinking the liberal German? the liberal kaiser?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 23:18, August 21, 2018 (UTC)i will do that tommorow as its pretty late here.i think next we should discuss this year by year idea you have as im not used to that and the first year of frederic III--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 00:26, August 22, 2018 (UTC) hi Baron im ready to talk about what we discussed yesterday--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 20:22, August 22, 2018 (UTC) as you said i think frederick would accept bismark advice but have smaller liberal battles with him regarding foreign policy--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 20:55, August 22, 2018 (UTC) well i will do the article after we have discussed his isues to face.and i think he would show the german people that the britsa rent or enmies.and also he would meet wwith brittish and try to calm the anglophobia of the german people--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 21:22, August 22, 2018 (UTC) well bimarck would certainly be reeelected i think and as you say frederick would keep the alliancein russia but what about italy?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 22:11, August 22, 2018 (UTC) then i call that our next issue after this i can make the artile for frederick--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 22:22, August 22, 2018 (UTC) I created the main article for Fredrick III lives--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 07:54, August 23, 2018 (UTC) any luck findign how his policy towards italy would be?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 20:18, August 23, 2018 (UTC) Baron i think we should look into what bismarck would have donee as you said.And i think you cdont have to ask me becuse i trust you if hovewer i dont like it ill just message you--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 20:51, August 23, 2018 (UTC) so what issues does friederich face this year? and regarding italy i think the kaiser would allow them yo join as preventing france getting another ally--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 21:19, August 23, 2018 (UTC) well whats your take on samoa in 1889? i dont know much about samoa tbh--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 21:48, August 23, 2018 (UTC) i think that th kaiser would have supperted samoa to be independent after having show they can manage their independence.kinda like the philipineas in the 30tishsh otl--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 22:10, August 23, 2018 (UTC)
hmm thats a interesting think to take into account.what i think the kaiser would do is abandon supporting the pro german and support whichever the people choose --DRAFIGO13 (talk) 22:32, August 23, 2018 (UTC) alright then lets call it a day and continue tommorow?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 22:46, August 23, 2018 (UTC) Will still work you have my agreement.--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 11:41, August 24, 2018 (UTC) Lets discuss more tommorow--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 22:24, August 24, 2018 (UTC) hi baron wanna discuss today?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 19:08, August 27, 2018 (UTC) i think we should finish up the samoean discussion and then moving on--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 20:41, August 27, 2018 (UTC) sounds excellent--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 21:32, August 27, 2018 (UTC) right on 8??--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 22:08, August 27, 2018 (UTC) yeah ill do the samoa article when we have concluded everything about it,so who would be king of samoa we have to think baout that frederick III and bismark´ck did not want to colonize--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 22:44, August 27, 2018 (UTC)
would Frederick recognice him or not?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 20:27, August 28, 2018 (UTC) Agreed shall we move on?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 22:07, August 28, 2018 (UTC) 1890?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 22:24, August 28, 2018 (UTC) so shall we continue tommorow when we have had time to process the info?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 22:49, August 28, 2018 (UTC) okey no worries im quite tired myself todays but what about tommorow?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 22:26, August 29, 2018 (UTC) Good work Baron--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 16:05, September 1, 2018 (UTC) wanna discuss the timeline tommorow?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 00:40, September 4, 2018 (UTC) hi baron im so sorry for not discussing with you,we can do it tommorow as school ends early--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 23:04, September 5, 2018 (UTC) well i only have one rare book and its a parchment with the king of sedens wax seal on it from 1823.found it in a hidden drawer at my grandmothers house.well what is a postmodern or what you called it jukebox concert?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 23:15, September 5, 2018 (UTC) hi Baron how was your jokebox stuff ? also discussing tommorow?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 23:52, September 7, 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the good words.
I'm like the English professor in the Men's Room.
I don't write on the walls - I just correct the spelling and grammar.
Crimean War Alt
Well as a sidenote im working on a crimean war timeline in addition to our timeline about frederick--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 11:25, August 29, 2018 (UTC) well its a secret for now but its what would happen if the crimean war turned into a world war--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 20:22, August 29, 2018 (UTC) so i made up the facions The russian alliance:Germany austria and sweden the entente:turkey uk france and usa--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 21:00, August 29, 2018 (UTC) yup also franklin pierce wi ns a third pres term due to limiting the bleeding kansas in otl he lost the demcratic nomination--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 21:09, August 29, 2018 (UTC) well itts main pod is the crimean world war esr which ends in a stalemate both sides claiming victory --DRAFIGO13 (talk) 21:16, August 29, 2018 (UTC) also that with pierce is not finalized yet its just an idea--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 21:25, August 29, 2018 (UTC)
while you and i are working on our timeline i will also begin working on the consquences of the crimean war timeline yup thats its name--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 22:08, August 29, 2018 (UTC) Hi Baron just wanted to ask what ya think pf my election article?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 10:24, September 3, 2018 (UTC) Yea im gonna expand it later today just wanted to get it posted before i ragequit becude the templste was complicated--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 10:30, September 3, 2018 (UTC)
Need your help
Baron Joshua, I really appreciate that you took the time out of your day to make such a positive comment like you did, that really means a lot to me. I am glad that you are enjoying the timeline. I have a great partner in Leonidas huh who has done a lot to make it possible. I will do my best to make sure that the that the content of WCW Buys WWF is worthy of being called a Great Read. Thanks again Nerdpics (talk) 00:19, September 6, 2018 (UTC)
Well, Pyongyang was established 2600 years before Seoul was. It was capital to 2 ancient Korean kingdoms. Here is a thing you could read on to support this https://www.quora.com/If-North-Korea-had-won-the-Korean-war-would-Seoul-be-the-capital-instead-of-Pyongyang . My own personal reason is because Pyongyang was already established as the capital and honestly I don’t see a need for the government to move it, especially since the newly unified communist Korea would constantly be under threat of invasion and overthrow by either US agents or exiled Koreans that fled from the communist north to japan. Most of these attempts would be mastermind and carried out from Japan but ultimately fail, therefore having Pyongyang would further the capital from japan and closer to their allies the USSR and China. Also thanks for informing me about the link error. Anyways, thanks for your interest! I have loads of ideas for Korean culture and society and the economy and government structure! Should be interesting. Cybermats, created by the Cybermen, they kill by feeding off Brainwaves 22:55, September 14, 2018 (UTC)
Re:One Nation, Under Kim
Well, OTL Korean culture saw a massive revival under the Workers’ Party and Kim Il-sung, North Korea Stück to the Chosun-gul script, the traditional form of script for the Korean language which is one of the major cultural and societal differences between the North and South OTL. You can see in numerous North Korea videos that woman war traditional Korean dress, and numerous buildings, especially those occupied by government administrations, have traditional Korean architecture, and even Kim Il-Sung’s supposed birth site is pretty Korean in nature. I plan to keep this same cultural policy as OTL, but instead more widespread and maybe even try and expand on it by including Korean holidays and so forth which aren’t really celebrated/huge events in North Korea as really ownly major events in DPRK history such as rhe founding of the republic, birth of the leader (which is their version of New Year’s Day as it is the beginning of Juche year) and so forth. Society will be widely the same as OTL North Korea and have elements of South Korean culture of OTL, so this means that Korean society in my timeline will be largely based on Confucian principles of family, community, and respect for authority (which fit the ideals of communism and the party). Now in my timeline ”Juche” is never really developed by Kim and never becomes the Party ideology or the state ideology, and so communism is kept as the state and party ideology, and so this leads to Kim Il-Sung’s other son, Kim Pyong-il, becomes the new President of the DPRK, Chairman of the Workers’ Party of Korea, and Supreme Commander of the Korean People’s Army, he begins launching new economic reforms to adapt to the collapse of the Soviet Union. His new reforms restructured the economy, still based on socialism, but similar to that of the Nordic model, and also decentralized the government and party structure with the president position losing most of it’s real political power and becoming a figure head, while the General Secretary holds true de facto power, and the Chairman position of the Party was abolished, and the party now had to cooperate to agree on stuff instead of the head of the party making all the decisions. So yeah, that’s basically the ATL DPRK in a utshell, have a bunch more plans though but I don’t want to make this too long. Cybermats, created by the Cybermen, they kill by feeding off Brainwaves 00:06, September 15, 2018 (UTC)
In regards to Vietnam, I haven’t really thought of any established vision of what Vietnam should look like, but I would like to avoid having a cliche scenario like Vietnam being united under the south or Vietnam divided, which leaves to a communist dominated Vietnam which I feel should be the case but I’m really not to sure due to the probability of America devoting more to south Vietnam then OTL. Now in the case of you helping this project, I’ll welcome any ideas, but for now i’d Like to keep this a private timeline, though this may change. Cybermats, created by the Cybermen, they kill by feeding off Brainwaves 00:58, September 15, 2018 (UTC)
Wow! This movie looks interesting, I’ll have to watch it some time. Yeah I’ll definitely include it in my timeline. Cybermats, created by the Cybermen, they kill by feeding off Brainwaves 14:56, September 15, 2018 (UTC)
Hi Baron would you like to see a rework of fascist reich
well our first thing is what needs t be reworked the main page is in dangerous need of a rework and so are most of the pages (if i start to work on anothert timeline this rework will still be active)--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 21:42, October 1, 2018 (UTC) Im onboard--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 05:19, October 2, 2018 (UTC) Hmm maybe he was arrested by the police and executed or maybe he deserted and was tried fpr war desertion--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 20:13, October 3, 2018 (UTC) Good work any other things we need to fix?--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 05:06, October 4, 2018 (UTC) yeah thats an interesting thing we need to tske into account--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 21:00, October 4, 2018 (UTC) well i have been busy quite with my timeline idea and my book but i thought that as your more goo at fascism then me why dont you say what you think we should dfine it as--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 22:43, October 12, 2018 (UTC) i agree with you--DRAFIGO13 (talk) 23:08, October 12, 2018 (UTC)
Re:Re:One Nation Under Kim
Why thank you!
The sage of the hummingberd
Greetings, Joshua, from my retirement in the upstate of South Carolina. I note that you seem to have an interest in events in South Carolina. I suspect this might be because you live in the state as well. I am the grandfather of an Aspie (now 12 years old!) and an associate on a wiki of another Aspie (who just turned 18). To say the least, I am thrilled with your contributions so far. I appreciate your attention to detail and what that can mean to prospective alternate histories.
In many ways I miss my time here at Althistory Wiki. As you probably have already discerned upon checking me out, I am retired with honors,as it were, from the office of "Brass" here at this site. My time at Bible.wikia.com, as much as it is, does not allow much time to even monitor those articles I do "run" on this wiki. Perhaps, though, I can do a little research into things here in the state to help you out.
Don't hesitate to contact me if there is anyway I can assist you.
SouthWriter (talk) 01:54, January 1, 2019 (UTC)
Hi again, Joshua. I am sorry it has taken over six weeks for me to get back to you. I see you responded soon after I wrote you, but by then I had left my time in my old stomping grounds of alternate history. I don't have any ideas right now for either of the projects you asked me about, though I did read up on John Wilkes Booth for possible work on that article for the National Union timeline.
Again, I appologize for the delay. Perhaps I will be able to do some research on SC for you soon.
SouthWriter (talk) 20:44, February 13, 2019 (UTC)
Re: Star Trek in The German Century
While I'm not familiar with the history behind Star Trek, was the Second World War instrumental to the show's creation? If so, the lack of American involvement in the war possibly could have changed the face of the show or even prevent its very creation.
However, it could be possible for Gene to still create Star Trek. For example, let's say he's fascinated by the war in Europe (the U.S. did support the Allies in this alternate version of this horrible war), and he volunteers as either a journalist or a mercenary (though I highly doubt Roddenbury would choose to become a mercenary).
From the horror he witnessed, he chooses to return to America, but found a new purpose. He decided to create Star Trek, with a message of pacifism and adventure. That's just my take on it. I'm that Star Trek could come into fruition in this timeline in any way.
By the way, if you want, you could work on a article about the U.S.
lost world 1962
I heard your message il explain, Lost world 1962 is an alternate world in wich durring the cuban missile crisis WW3 erupted after a ship launch a nuke at the US navy blockade, the war lasted for 1 day when nucler wepon were launch desroying most of the norther and some part of south hemisphere. eventully radiation would leake into souther hemisphere russulting in more death, factions emerged in the post world war, The US and USSR goverment some how surived, the timeline is based on 1983 doomsdayThank you for your message, sorry I didn’t saw it sooner, I’m also a fallout fan, I also intended to do lost world independent, Have a nice day