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- 1 Scotland
- 2 Italian regional elections (Scotland says "Yes")
- 3 Referendum for the independence of North Italy (Scotland says "Yes")
- 4 Categorizing Files
- 5 Ukraine
- 6 Scotland says "Yes"
- 7 SSY Italy
- 8 Messed up!
- 9 ASB
- 10 Italy (Scotland says "Yes")
- 11 Re: Scotland says Yes Stirling Awards
- 12 Template SSY
- 13 RE:Russia map
- 14 How to make a parliament
- 15 Categorizing Files... Again
- 16 Syrian cease-fire
- 17 Re: 2016 Olympics (SSY)
- 18 Belgium
- 19 Global War
- 20 Great Nuclear War
- 21 Re:Logo
- 22 Naming Wikimedia Files
- 23 Great Britain EU Vote
- 24 SSY: Belgium, Flanders, and Wallonia
- 25 About Belarus and Manchuria in Scotland Says Yes
- 26 Another Update
- 27 About Hong Kong
- 28 East Asia in Scotland Says Yes
- 29 SSY Troubles
- 30 Scotland says "yes" timeline
- 31 Re-writing the story
- 32 Some advice
- 33 About the decision
- 34 SSY - Wallonia
- 35 Re:Vandalism
- 36 Scotland says "yes" ,Flanders
- 37 Scotland Says Yes
Hey I am really interested in your TL do you want a hand with it?
Of course! That'd be great. What do you think you could help with? At the moment i'm trying to finish the current pages I have, before moving on to some more... stuff. I'm also going to add in some other independence movements. Bryce3 (talk) 17:03, December 23, 2015 (UTC)
No - no idea how either Bryce3 (talk) 23:31, December 23, 2015 (UTC)
Italian regional elections (Scotland says "Yes")
Italian regional elections 2015 (Scotland says "Yes")
Here, i hope you like : http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/2015_Italian_Regional_Election_%28Scotland_says_%22Yes%22%29?venotify=created Col. James Hsu (talk) 26, December, 23:31, 2015 (UTC)
Referendum for the independence of North Italy (Scotland says "Yes")
Here Bryce3, i hope is good for you : http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Referendum_for_the_independence_of_North_Italy_(Scotland_says_Yes)
I noticed that you added your timeline's categories to File:Estelada blava.svg. Please be aware that this is absolutely not allowed. This flag is from OTL and therefore belongs to everybody. You are only to add your timeline categories to files which solely have relevance to your timeline (not just files you happen to be using).
Hello I am a big fan of the Scotland says Yes timeline and I wanted to ask you what are your ideas for Ukraine inside this timeline. I follow the Ukrainian crisis in Our timeline and I want to see the development of the crisis in this timeline. Thank you. Signed 220.127.116.11 18:21, December 28, 2015 (UTC)
Hi! Thank you very much - that's great to hear! It would be great to have some more help - do you want to Private Message on the chat? Bryce3 (talk) 18:24, December 28, 2015 (UTC)
Scotland says "Yes"
Hello! I am quite interested in your new timeline, Scotland says "Yes" and will happily help you develop it if you need any help. Furthermore, I think this is an excellent timeline, possibly the best this year, and I have nominated it for the "Best New Timeline" award for the ongoing 2016 Stirling Awards, which you can see here:
However, I would like to point something out. Your timeline says the following:
"Despite a small majority of 55% of voters saying "yes""
Hi. That's really good to hear - thank you!
And that'd be brilliant if you could help - at the moment we're working on expanding some of the current articles (especially UK and Scottish Politics) but it'd also be good to move onto more independende movements around the world (and not just in Europe and North America!)
And thanks for pointing that out - i just checked and your right :D Bryce3 (talk) 22:23, January 5, 2016 (UTC)
I'm quite interested in UK politics, so I think I can help there. As for sepaatist movements, have you considered the following:
- Western Australia
I was thinking of doing something with Tibet, which I am quite interested in. One idea, though im unsure how likely it is, is for a Tibetan uprising (possibly supported by India with China moving troops away with Kashmir to deal with it), which then catalyses an uprising of East Turkmenistan (Xinjiang), Inner Mongoia and Manchuria, as well as possibly an invasion by Taiwan. Again, not sure how likely.
How likely aree Siberian, Western Australia and Hawaii independence?
@Col James Hsu - I definetely agree that perhaps Rif and some others in Africa Bryce3 (talk) 22:41, January 6, 2016 (UTC)
The rebels would almost certainly end up with support from the USA, IMO. I don't think it's implausible, but there is a tiny chance the war would escalate to nuclear war.
Siberia doesn't have an independence movement that's that powerful, but they have a strong-ish movement to get autonomy, considering that they supply most of Russias oil. Western Australia actually has a reasonable independence movement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secessionism_in_Western_Australia . Finally, while any Hawaiian revolution would probably be crushed, there is one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_sovereignty_movement
Oh, and the Stirling Awards have begun if you want to vote for your timeline:
Well, Grand Union, your main rival in the awards, has 7 votes, but Scotland says "Yes" has 9 votes!
Do you mean the template navigation box? If you like, ill make one Bryce3 (talk) 18:00, January 8, 2016 (UTC)
I tried putting an info box on the Welsh page but it failed. Please could you clean it up?
Italy (Scotland says "Yes")
Re: Scotland says Yes Stirling Awards
Yeah, this timeline deserved the award. In terms of the Davis Cup, the whole 2015 Davis Cup would be changed with Andy and Jamie Murray both now playing for Scotland, this would affect who would play for Great Britain in the opening round of the Davis Cup while Scotland might not enter the 2015 edition.
In terms of soccer, that would change massively with Italy and Spain losing some of their big clubs. Going by this season and rankings, in Spain (Barcelona (1st), Villarreal (4th), Valencia (14th), Espanyol (17th) and Levante (20th)). In Italy, all of the clubs except for Empoli, Florentina, Lazio, Roma, Frosinone, Napoli and Palermo (my favourite club) is in the north. By UEFA coefficient ranking, Padania could easily replace Italy as one of the top 5 leagues in about 10-15 years while Italy might fall depending on how well they cope. HawkAussie (Talk) 01:30, February 12, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah in regards to the map give Aleppo and some of the surrounding area to the goverment and Raqqa will still be held by ISIL. Chances are it will just get ignored. For ISIL I can see them losing all their big cities before 2019 with them jusy holding a bit of the countryside. Person67 (talk) 20:17, February 13, 2016 (UTC)
The rebels will fall soon as well. Russia is smahing them from the air plus they aren't one unified group. They will fragment and within 6 months of the fall of ISIL they will start fighting each other and Assad will deal with them. Person67 (talk) 22:03, February 13, 2016 (UTC)
the rebels are just as bad as ISIL. a lot of them talk about democracy but they all want a islamic state. OTL a peace treaty won't happen. to much ordance lying around. Person67 (talk) 07:47, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
What do you mean? what did you try to do? it seems to be working - and does it need changing?
Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I went ahead and uploaded the file for you.
How to make a parliament
I have found this website for create parliament if we needed :
Normal : Here
Categorizing Files... Again
Just letting you know that you added your timeline's category to another Wikimedia file. As mentioned before, this is not allowed. No harm done, just please try not to let this happen again. Thank you. -- NuclearVacuum 18:53, February 21, 2016 (UTC)
Hey, have you heard then now the Syrian Government and the Syrian Rebles, the US and the Russia have made a cease-fire ? This will be change our timeline for Syria and Iraq. Col. James Hsu (talk) 27/02/2016 (UTC)
Re: 2016 Olympics (SSY)
I think the best plan of attack for the Olympics, would be to use the same results as the actual Olympic Games and if Scottish athletics qualify through to the Olympics and score a medal, that will count for them. Because that was what I did for the 2015 European Games. HawkAussie (Talk) 21:41, March 16, 2016 (UTC)
Hello. MustacheKhan here. I would like to add a section to the timeline covering Belgium. As you may know, Belgium is embroiled in some ethnic issues. Well, I would like to write a section of the timeline in which Belgium splits into Flanders and Walloonia, with Brussels in a Berlin Wall-style separation. Or just an independent country in which the EU is centered, similar to the Vatican or the Hague.
I for one like the second theory better.
Great Nuclear War
Hey Bryce, thanks for getting into contact with me, sorry if this took a while, I've been very busy with school, but I'm back now! I'm open for really anything on the British Isles, I have tried writing articles but all but one of my attempts have been futile (and I have yet to upload that one cause it is maybe dumb). For starters, I'll post a map of detonation sites here, so you can get a rough idea, and we can spitball. Note: Shetland is an independant nation (somewat vassal to Norwegian Oil Interests in the region), so off limits. Also, note that I add the proposal tag to any new articles before I even read them, so don't feel bad. Also, thanks so much for showing interest. I think Col. James Hsu is getting a bit bored of my leave of absence lol.
All in all, you don't need to worry much about those kinds of licenses. We are using them for similar purposes as Wikipedia. Just do what you have been doing and your are good to go. ^_^ -- NuclearVacuum 19:30, April 10, 2016 (UTC)
Naming Wikimedia Files
I just noticed that you uploaded three files off of Wikimedia and that you renamed all three of them from their original names. This is not allowed, as this makes it very difficult for other users to locate these files if they wished to use them. In the future, please keep all files uploaded from Wikimedia as they are named.
I have re-uploaded the three files in question. I will not be correcting the articles that you were using them on (I'll leave that for you to do). Please try not to let this happen again. Thank you. -- NuclearVacuum 18:01, June 7, 2016 (UTC)
- As far as I could tell, there is (or was) no redirection issue (as I re-uploaded the files with no issues). The problem is that the files were manually renamed from what they were on Wikimedia. Maybe there was a glitch in the system, but it is definitely a naming problem.
- All I ask is that you keep an eye on this in the future. Otherwise, you have been doing everything correctly. If you still need help, please let me know. -- NuclearVacuum 20:11, June 7, 2016 (UTC)
Great Britain EU Vote
The UK voted to leave the EU but many people who want to remain, live in Scotland:
As you can see in the image, there's a fine line of blue and yellow separating Scotland from the rest of the UK. In addition to this, Scotland would probably also rely on the EU due to many challenges which would come with its nationhood.
SSY: Belgium, Flanders, and Wallonia
Copied from SSY talk page.
Hello, Bryce. I was looking over the nations for SSY, and to my surprise Belgium was still very much united. NOt even an article on a Belgian crisis. Belgium willprobably vanquish in OTL before 2050. I believe the secession of Flanders, and a a result the balkanization of Belgium, would be definitely sped up with the large chain of successful independence movements in this timeline. I will do my best to research Belgium and its potential collapse, so could you please consider adding me to the team to work on Belgium? Thanks for taking the time to read.
--Orange (→My wall!←) 00:08, July 13, 2016 (UTC)
So you have all heard of the Brexit and how the Britain has left the EU which was highly rejected by NI, Scotland and Gibraltar. I was just wondering is this timeline following this event or diverging from them or is simply not there yet. Its just in this timeline Scotland is already independent so how would Brexit effect them (if it is being incorporated into this article) CnocBride (talk) 19:39, August 31, 2016 (UTC)
About Belarus and Manchuria in Scotland Says Yes
Thank you for your positive response. I was thinking of a POD for Belarus: when the Belarusian parliament proposed an act to unify Russia and Belarus, the opposition had panicked. Riots ensued in Minsk demanding that the proposed unification be held off. The army tries to crush the protests, but as many flee to the west, the Belarusian army split into a pro-Lukashenko and an an anti-Lukashenko faction. The pro-Lukashenko troops, trying to stop refugees from fleeing Belarus accidentally fired at a Polish army post. The Poles interpreted it as an act of war, and the government of Poland pressured the EU to use military force, and when only the Baltic states and the Eastern European members of the EU responded positively, Poland along with the Visegrad group launched a covert operation in Belarus, knowing that the Russian Kaliningrad enclave would be used by the Russians as a base of operations. The Belarusian anti-Lukashenko opposition was galvanized, albeit reluctantly, because they fear that the Poles might re-annex western Belarus.
Meanwhile the Belarusian Democratic Government-in-exile in Canada was contacted by the Belarusian opposition forces. They pressured especially the Poles and Lithuanians to disclaim any claims to Belarusian territory. The BDR government-in-exile later allowed the opposition to use its name and authority to distinguish themselves from the Lukashenko-led Republic of Belarus. Meanwhile, Lukashenko appealed to Moscow for help, as the rebel forces convinced many Belarusian army forces to surrender after a series of battles. Minsk was captured in May 2018 by tthe rebels, five months after the revolt started. The pro-Lukashenko forces have retained control of Mogilev, eastern Gomel, and Vitebsk oblasts; the rest are controlled by the new Belarus Democratic Republic forces. Tatsiana Karatkevich became the new president of the Belarusian Democratic Republic.
It was said that Ukraine, despite its eastern half being transformed into Novorossiya, helped secure the victory for the new BDR government by providing volunteers dressed in distinct "BDR" uniforms, all made in Kiev and was later with modifications approved and adopted by the BDR government. The BDR said that without Ukraine's help, their war against the Lukashenko government would be crushed easily. The "acession" of Novorossiya and the Lukashenko-led Belarusian Republic to Russia as the Krivian Republic by the end of the year was a "warning" to Kiev and the new government of Minsk as well as sending more troops to Kaliningrad. The Russian government considers the Belarusian Civil War as a joint "Ukrainian-Polish-Lithuanian Plot".
In China, the Kazakhs and the other Central Asian states are now openly arming Uyghurs and even established an "Uyghuristan Army" in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan. (They deemed the name East Turkestan as "too suspicious and it might cause alarm that the Uyghurs after independence might annex the rest of Central Asia".
This was denied by the ETR government-in-exile but said that they are not averse to the name of Uyghuristan if the people wanted it through a referendum.) The Indians are now building a secret Tibetan Army that was formed and trained by these forces: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Frontier_Force . Even the uniforms are basically just the SFF uniform with the only difference is that they wear the emblem of the Tibetan Central Administration. They are now armed with anti-tank weapons by this point.
The Mongolians are now openly supporting the Inner Mongolian rebellion by this point, sending "volunteers", and even Kalmyk and Buryat soldiers from Russia, veterans of the Donbass conflict, are now openly operating in Inner Mongolia. The Mongolian Army is now collecting weapons for its army to liberate and reunify Inner Mongolia.
It was in Manchuria that the Russians are directly intervening. The Manchurian separatists are currently the weakest at this point, but mainly because they don't have weapons yet. The Chinese and the North Koreans have a secret deal that if Manchuria revolts, the North Koreans could intervene alongside the Chinese, and this was discovered through a Chinese source which passed it to the separatists. The Manchus later openly denounced the Chinese and North Korean governments for suppressing the Manchus and the Northeast Chinese as well as economic hardship, and called for Manchurian independence, provocatively waved the old flag of Manchukuo, and called and the overthrow of the Communist leadership of the PRC and DPRK. While they openly denounced Japanese atrocities during World War II, they also denounced the Chinese government for covering up their own war crimes in Manchuria. This is to justify the use of the Manchukuo flag as it was, for the separatists, the most recognized flag of the Manchu people, and the flag is relatively easy to draw compared to other flag proposals. They say this is not the same from the Swastika becoming the German flag again, and is instead like the old Estonian, Latvian, and Lithuanian flag being restored, as well as being re-appropriated as a symbol of Manchu identity. This sparked the Manchurian war for independence.
What is your opinion on this?
This is really, really good. The main thing I'm wondering about is the Belarussians firing on Poles - as Poland is a NATO country, this could escalate really quickly - instead I propose Poland simply sends in covert operations anyway, but if you have a good way to get around this please do. If you wanna, create the Belarusian and Ukrainian (and edit Russia) pages as proposals.
For China, with Tibet already rebelling, within the next month or so we're going to see full blown fighting, and pretty soon India supporting them. I like the idea of Uyghurs fighting throughout Asia. The eventual plan for North Korea is that Kim, going a bit mad without the support of the collapsing PRC, attempts to order a nuclear attack on South Korea, but his generals quickly overthrow him, and establish a junta, with possible talks with S Korea. Bryce III - ☕ Tea? 11:29, September 25, 2016 (UTC)
I was just running round the website checking pages and I came across yours about Ireland. As I did before I updated it if thats ok. All I changed was the census and population information. There was a census taken this year and the population went up so I was just lending a friendly hand keeping up to date.
That's absolutely fine :) And I mean, if there is any other changes, either just background history, OTL politics, etc., feel free, or even if you have ideas on how Scottish Independence would effect it, that'd be fine :)
Bryce III - ☕ Tea? 08:47, October 29, 2016 (UTC)
About Hong Kong
I suggest for Hong Kong to make it worse when two leaders of the Youngspiration movement gets arrested by Chinese authorities, prompting a general uprising.
As for Tibet and Xinjiang, a border incursion to India and Kazakhstan would be the trigger for a mass uprising by Tibetans and Uyghurs.
East Asia in Scotland Says Yes
I've now made some additions in Asia. Manchuria has now declared independence, and Inner Mongolia, and Xinjiang are now planning to secede as well.
Could you note any problems with it?
Hi - I had a look again just now, and it looks good. I think its good and stands out. I like the latest addition concerning Inner Mongolia. The only thing I wonder about is foreign intervention to be so open so soon, but we can always change that later. Keep up the good work :)
I'm also starting a new page, called Chinese Insurgency; once it becomes full blown Civil War, a new article with that title will be made.
(Sorry, i had to edit twice because i managed to delete some of your text - fixed now)
Bryce III - ☕ Tea? 22:38, November 22, 2016 (UTC)
Looks like the TL has been facing backlash on the Manchu separatist movement. Andy has also said Padania will never, ever happen. People are worried this timelinne is taking a turn to ASB. You should speak to James about Padania.
Hi. I have been reconsidering some of the things in SSY. I think Scotland, Belgium and Kurdistan are definetly staying. I'll discuss with Col. James the Padania, and see his opinion. The whole Manchu thing was to tie in with a possible Chinese Civil War, but I am now reconsidering this too. Thanks for bringing this to my attention though, Bryce III - ☕ Tea? 22:09, November 24, 2016 (UTC)
Scotland says "yes" timeline
Hi. I have been observing your Scotland says "yes" timeline for quite some time, but it has lately taken an ASB turn. The main problem with it is the Manchu revolt. Machus constitute only 10 million people in china, and there are 90 million han chinese in manchuria, making such a revolt basically impossible. Until this is fixed, I will point out this issue to the leadership in the wiki, and I hate to say it, but if you don't fix this issue you might end up with an ASB tag on Scotland says "yes" timeline if you don't fix it. 10% of a region cannot declare the region there own, that is the problem. You should have simply had northeastern china succeed, not have some tiny Manchu minority magically take it over. I reccomend you fix this highly.
Hi. Thanks for raising this; I'm aware some issues have been raised. As such, I am currently in the process of reviewing this. I am thinking of splitting the Chinese Insurgency of into a second timeline, whilst also moving some other general dates, to preserve the non-ASB nature of the TL. How does that sound? Bryce III - ☕ Tea? 17:06, November 25, 2016 (UTC)
Re-writing the story
While I agree with those who complain about the ASB, they should also note that there is also a Taiwan separatist movement, and they are led by Han Chinese.
A suggestion is that the Northeast Chinese and Manchu rebellion is indeed defeated and the Manchus are forcibly exiled by the vengeful Chinese into a region between Russia, China, and North Korea as a compromise solution, as a face-saving measure of China to the world. However, the Chinese maintain control of the majority of Northeast Chinese region.
Is that OK for those who complain?
Hello. I hear you are going to create a seperate timeline with a manchu revolt in east asia. I advise you create a very early point of divergence, in qing china, where the qing make sure to keep manchuria manchu. A modern manchu revolt would be implausible or "Asb," as manchus today only compose 10% of their traditional homeland. So in a current china a manchu revolt's chances would be 0. On top of that, machus are now sinized. They see themselves as part of china. A tibet/innermonoglia,uygur revolt would plausbile though, as they are still the majority of that ethnic group, and they are not completely sinized. Just some advice. Not trying to hijack your timeline, just thought i'd throw in some advice to help you out. And for a comparison, a machu revolt would be almost as implausible as a great plains native tribe succeding from the usa and declaring thier own country.
About the decision
No problem with that.
As you know you've created a timeline called "Scotland Says Yes" in which Scotland secedes from the UK instead of staying.
I would like to contribute in the planned Chinese Civil War timeline, I have contributed to the Sino-Soviet Union page (a timeline of a USSR spanning from Eastern Europe to Southeast Asia), it would be delightful if I could contribute to the Chinese Civil War I have viewed your Scotland Yes timeline which included Tibet, Hong Kong, and Manchuria seceding from China including a Kazakh invasion of Xinjiang/Uyghuristan its the reason why i'm want to do it (since a Second Chinese Civil War is in my opinion really interesting that i could be expanded upon).
I and another admin would have to review it to be sure, but theoretically yes.
SSY - Wallonia
I think that it may take a while, if at all, for Wallonia to merge with Hauts-de-France. Several bills may be sponsored in the French Parliament to merge the two regions, but ethnic Walloons probably wouldn't approve. They would take it as an act of assimilation, and would stop the bill(s) from passing to protect the Walloon culture.
On another note, now that Padania has split off from SSY as well, what should I do about Venice? I'm probably going to move my whole "Venetia gains independence in the Padanian Civil War" to Padanian Secession, but do you think a Venetian split from Italy is still possible (it has much more steam than the Padania movement; on par with or even larger than the Flemish separatists and Rattachists in Belgium)?
Scotland says "yes" ,Flanders
Hello i would like to ask permission to edit the page of flanders and other former belgian regions in the scotland says yes timeline since i have a quite good knowledge of the region
19:46, October 1, 2017 (UTC)