Please follow the naming conventions. If you don't things get REALLY confusing and give ME a BIG head-ache as administrator. Louisiannan 21:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Please use Template:Aeab to help you follow the naming conventions. Louisiannan
PLEASE FOLLOW THE NAMING CONVENTIONS. You've created a bunch of pages without any marking for them to be part of your Aetas ab Brian. By typing {{Aeab|PAGENAMEHERE}} it will automatically create the page link with the timeline name intact. Please do this instead of normal inking, and please do this on every page you link to within this timeline. Louisiannan 17:37, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
:( butbut I don't understand! where am I not using (Aeab)? Or are they all wrong and I'm supposed to be using (Ætas ab Brian)? Or is it that all my pages link to the same category page or something?! Why don't I get it?:(--TEAKAY 18:00, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
If you use {{Aeab|PAGENAMEHERE}} instead of [[blablablah (AEtas Ab Brian|blablabla]]. But from the edit log, it seems you've gotten the idea. Make sure that the pages you create for AEAB have the " (Ætas ab Brian)" tacked on the end. But otherwise you're good. Thanks! Louisiannan 18:16, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Sorry about this inconvenience, the conventions of wikias always seem to easily confuse me :(. What else needs changing?--TEAKAY 18:19, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Image Talk

Please read here. --Sikulu 14:09, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I know you've already created so many maps, but since you continue to create more, I just wanted to say that at least with maps containing words (like the Asia ones), it would help to increase the size, because it's hard to make out some of the names. --Riction 01:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
How do I do this? Putting in a picture always restricts it to 153000 bytes or something--C II R 14:39, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Sorry for the late reply. Hmm...Your "Terranova" and "South Terranova" maps look good. As for the limit, you can still put in on if it surpasses the limit, but it should only be by a little bit. If it's a much larger file, you might want to change the extension if you can do that. For example, a JPEG to a PNG...if you have a program that can save as (or export to) another type of file. Play around with them to see what gets you the lowest file size. Then, you can just create a thumbnail of the file in your articles. For example, this:
--Riction 23:38, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Okay PNG, thanks --C II R 18:06, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
No problem. I enjoy your many maps. --Riction 02:17, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I like maps--C II R 13:04, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the image! ςפקιДИτς 22:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I had fun, I was worried it looked too much like the other flag though. --TEAKAY 22:39, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

About the renovations: No problem.

BTW, going through the Aeab history: I thought I could make a template for those boxes on top and bottom of all of those pages. What about that?-- 17:07, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't have a problem with one being made. I had tried to make one when I started the timeline but gave up.--TEAKAY 17:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
And here it is. Use it like this (if you leave out the past_title and future_title bits, the system will write !Past and Future! instead):
{{Aeab timebox
|past_title=Mission to Mars: A Space Odyssey
|future_title=The Muscovite Secession Wars

which becomes:

Mission to Mars: A Space Odyssey
The Muscovite Secession Wars

Yeah! that's pretty neat! Thanks! --TEAKAY 23:05, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Oh wait, what do I do about the title for the currently selected section? --TEAKAY 23:10, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again--TEAKAY 10:45, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

If the majority of the central latitudes in Europe were to become tundra (and northern Europe becoming glaciated), how much of a population of 830 million would have to be evacuated in order for a comfortable living standard to be sustained by the minimized amount of resources they could produce? Would 60% be enough?--TEAKAY 21:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

were the Roman Empire to break up, what would be the most appropriate name for the sucessor(or remainder) states in Europe that continued to be ruled from Rome?

  • Roman Union
  • Second Republic of Europe
  • European Federation

Are these any good? Suggestions welcome as always.--TEAKAY 19:35, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Also, those provinces that remained under Rome's control, would the new 'empire' still be considered the Roman Empire's direct successor state or would that be a matter of argument, or would they likely claim to be the same political entity? The new 'empire' became a democracy when the Roman Empire broke up and many of the previous politicians were changed by the elections, so they could either want to perpetuate the historic heritage or be enthusiastic about the 'new' nation. Which, if any, of these is most likely?--TEAKAY 23:37, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


What's with your Chrotim page? Should I delete it?--Max Sinister 15:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Chrotim 0_o? I don't know what it is, I made it? I guess there's no reason for it to exist.--TEAKAY 16:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

AB story question

awesome work, I'm loving the timeline you've created. But when I got to this part:

"one Taikonaut noticed a nearby object out a viewport. The ship’s astrolabe targeted it and made numerous visual recordings. The object was an astersaxumi 2 Ly in length (about 3.37 kilopes(1km)) and it had just passed between Earth and Luna with not one terra- or luna-bound telescopium detecting it."

I couldn't help but wonder if there was an OTL asteroid, where the scientist calculated it's historical fly-bys. But maybe it's not especially uncommon for an asteroid to pass closer than the distance the moon orbits.

Yes, that, I'm pretty sure I totally made up. Since I could later say it was an asteroid that had fallen into the sun; minorly impacted another planet; or got away for ever from the system by the time OTL tracting got serious, I thought I'd be able to get away with it. It's good to know it's being read.--TEAKAY 16:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


I'd love to know your opinion on this. --Karsten vK (talk) 15:14, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I do dislike the advertisements but don't really have a preference to what happens.--TEAKAY 20:02, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


thanks for grammmatic and ortografic correction of Nein ("No" in Deutsch, language of Germany) P.O.D. and remember U R welcome to collaborate in there --Fero 02:37, 13 July 2008 (UTC) (i still saying sorry for my english)


I seek your help in Kornilovshina. Could you please provide maps and tables as well as text? Let me know. Buk5 18:17, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I could do maps if given the details. Beyond small grammar/structure corrections there is not much for me to offer in improving the timeline.--TEAKAY 22:42, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
I have some of the particulars of The USA annexing Mexico and Canada, Russia getting Manchuria, France getting British colonies. German borders postbellum would be present day borders. the rest is present day borders. Buk5 23:03, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
North America present day (Kornilovshina)
World present day (Kornilovshina)
I'm not sure to what extent France gets of Britain's empire but what I have here is still near Britain's height. Please tell me if it needs to be different.--TEAKAY 00:41, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
that map is pretty good. However, i forgot to say russia would also have Soviet Era borders as well as Manchuria. Buk5 06:56, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Map updated*--TEAKAY 10:52, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
France would also have her original colonies and she only gained Britain's African ones. The rest became independent.
^^;; eh heh, I can't forget France already had a colonial empire to build on.--TEAKAY 11:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, i almost forgot. The USA retain controls of the Philippines to the present day and Finland is still part of Russia ATL as well as China annexing mongolia and Tibet ATL.

Sorry if i annoyed you TEAKAY. Thanks for the Kornilovshina map BTW. Buk5 19:46, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

It was certainly not annoying, making maps is fun.--TEAKAY 20:17, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

need help

I think it has potential but do you mind helping me out with 1948: Berlin backfire? --Huge_bob 13:00, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Featured AH

Congrats your TL, Ætas ab Brian, is now a featured AH! However since it has not yet been featured on the Main Page yet, I need you to provide me with a short summary, along with any links or pics that you want to show up on the main page. Mitro 17:15, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

 :S Is this ok? I don't think any of the maps are that good for a general picture.

An extensive wank roughly based on the premise that Rome developed steam power and the theory of flight in the late 1st century BCE. Starting with a short narrative; the application of these technologies, and the presence of an influencial figure greatly extended the life of the empire whole. However, things are changing in the world and the fifteenth century is still young (the timeline isn't not done though).

  • the Maps that are the staple of alternate histories.

Certain important but rudimentary pages in the timeline say they are open to suggestions.TEAKAY 08:10, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah <<_<< >>_>> <-(shifty eyes) the technology acceleration and no christianity will just be a surprise!
Are you sure you don't want to add the most recent world map or some sort of picture? Maybe a link template if you have one? Mitro 15:23, November 9, 2009 (UTC)
Link template... is this? [[{{{1}}} (Ætas ab Brian)|{{{1}}}]] and I guess the picture will be
TEAKAY 16:05, November 9, 2009 (UTC)
That is not what I meant by link template but I can see why that would be confusing. I will use the Image though. Mitro 21:32, November 9, 2009 (UTC)


Thank you for the minor edits to Contagion. I guess I have less-than-extraordinary spelling/grammar skills. :) User:Armachedes 23:29, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Thank You

Hey Teakay, thanks for correcting that vandalism on one of my pages. Also, I've been meaning to ask you, are you okay with the fact that I used that table that switches between pages in your AeBrian timeline as a template for the same kind of page switching in my timeline? If what I'm saying is a little confusing, I mean to say the table at the bottom and top of your pages like this one. I made some changes to it for mine, but it still retains the overall look.

Just thought I'd check with you on the matter. Red VS Blue 23:54, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

..Oh that thing. No I have no problem with it, I didn't even make it, an unregistered user made it so its fine to use.--TEAKAY 12:06, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

About your Aetas ab Brian timeline...

I've read all of it once, and much of it three times, and would like to ask your permission to use ideas from it to maybe write a book on it sometime in the future. I really like the ideas, and may modify them, if you give me permssion to use them, and write a series of books on the timeline.

CruxtheGreat 16:49, January 29, 2010 (UTC)CruxtheGreat

That sounds terribly awesome and I cannot say no and I hope to read them.--TEAKAY 12:11, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. I hope you like the books when they come out =) --CruxtheGreat 14:41, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

No Offence

Hello, I have a question. No offence, but, what gender are you? --Catherine 16:50, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Please don't talk to me--TEAKAY 17:48, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
Why not? I do not even know you. I just asked a simple question. You can just say "I don't feel comfortable answering your question" or you could answer it. No reason to say "Please don't talk to me, waah!" like a childish fool. --Catherine 18:00, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

My Questions

Could you please respond to my questions here


Eastward Expansion 16:18, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Your Maps are Awesome!

Your Maps are Awesome! The way you do this and that...I can't even describe it! How do you do it? What programs do you use? Your amazing!

French Victory 02:13, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Photoshop is a very good programme.TEAKAY 19:33, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Aeab Wiki?

Hi. I've been ready a lot through AEtas Ab Brian, and was wondering if you think it deserves its own wiki. Unless you really don't want me to, I'm going to make an AEtas (don't worry, in the title I'll get the AE right) wiki now or soon.

Eastward Expansion 20:43, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

What does putting it in its own wiki constitute?--TEAKAY 12:18, September 2, 2010 (UTC)


Hey Teakay, long-time no see uh? I was wondering, how do you create the Latin words in your timeline? I noticed you used "Rectorum", which if I'm not mistaken isn't a word. If I'm wrong though I'd be very interested to know from where you have such a good translator! =D Red VS Blue 02:25, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Aside from taking first year latin right now and having their textbooks, for the longest time I've been using Notre Dame University, this list, and making these new words from conglomerations of latin and sometimes other language words. Rector can be ruler, governor, director, guide and I didn't want to use another Magis- for directorate. As for good translator one of my instructors has told us that he can translate things for us so sometime I might ask him to do that for the phrases I've cobbled together- or I won't bother him and wait until I can do it myself :P --TEAKAY 12:33, September 21, 2010 (UTC)
Ya first hand education is always the most useful. I took 5 years of Latin in High School, so I'm pretty familiar with the grammar rules used in it. Neither of those links worked for me lol They were all "not found".

Yes, Rector is indeed a word, but is "Rectorum" any form of it? Oh wait! Is it like the word Puer? 2nd declension masculin? I just realized that now, cause that would be a word. My bad lol I should have noticed that.

So if I have any problems translating Latin do you think you could lend me a hand? Or even vice-a-versa? =D Red VS Blue 21:06, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

ha HA you already are much more familiar with Latin than I am, I've only had two classes since school started and they never offered Latin in my highschool. I don't even know most of the declentions yet but I was using -um to try to make director an institution instead of just a person.--TEAKAY 10:06, September 22, 2010 (UTC)
Well then, is there anything I can help you with Latin? haha Either with your timeline or university work :P I like applying what I'd learned in Latin class, so it's a win-win kinda thing. Adding -um for instance doesn't make it an organization or institution rather than a person, it just makes it the accusative case of the word for director, meaning its a direct object. The best words I could find for just institution are "Institutio" or "Organizatio" lol Discaterium means bureau, its a pretty useful one too. Red VS Blue 01:28, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
I rarely avoid making new words for the timeline, and really the Latin Language Directorate exists to introduce new ones and usages just like the ADAs bring new technology, although the Directorate is much more conservative. Would Recto or Rectorio work at all specifically for the word directorate? I am going after directorate because it is a more forceful term and the organisation is definitely like that.--TEAKAY 11:04, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Well Rectorius would work well. Rectorio would just be the ablative singular of Rectorius, but in the way you want to write it, Rectorius makes more sense. I could see the Romans making that as a new word, since they liked derivatives and such. It makes inventing words for althists a lot easier lol Red VS Blue 20:51, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

That sounds good to me.--TEAKAY 22:32, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
 :) It would also be "Rectorius Latinus", since I'm guessing that the Latin part is an adjective, right? So it would have to conform to the noun. Wow, I can't believe I remember all these grammar rules lol Red VS Blue 22:40, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
Man these inflections.--TEAKAY 01:16, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

If you're just starting Latin, I'll warn you now, it gets a WHOLE lot harder! Think 5 declensions and I think around 5 verb types +a million in one exceptions for every rule. Not gonna lie though, it's still my favorite language haha Red VS Blue 01:46, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Fan...ಠ_ಠ... tastic. hahaha--TEAKAY 01:48, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Ohhhh ya, you've got quite the road ahead of you. What convinced you to take Latin in university anyways? If you don't mind me asking. Red VS Blue 02:01, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Uhhh... hehe I am taking classical studies half because I want to use it specifically for this timeline and half because a friend of mine is taking classics as well. :| I know it really sounds like I am burning money for fun.--TEAKAY 02:13, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

hahaha Juuust a bit, but life's about doing what we enjoy, so I don't see much harm in that. If you're doing all that for the timeline does that mean we'll be seeing those installments you've got up your sleeve anytime soon? =D Red VS Blue 02:32, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

PFFFFFFFFFFF oh I mean any day now. Judging from this stack of "stuff that has to get applied before you even think of doing the next section" papers I'm looking at right now I'm going to be doing a third fixing of the maps once this current fixing is up and the next section won't be for a long time unless I lose all patience. And every, day, more notes get made just from what the professors are saying. They are talking about late antiquity and it is still giving relevant points to the timeline... but the good news is almost every day is productive towards it:| "Be productive." It's like what my friends say instead of goodbye XP --TEAKAY 02:48, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
hahaha Niiiice! I'll start reading the in depth timeline soon then. Cause that'll be a lot to go through. I might even have some fun doing a compare and contrast between our in depth timelines =P See where we happened to get the same idea, and stuff like that. I've been reading a lot of the side pages now, and I've got a lot of questions lol Like what is the extent of the Roman government's power? Has it dissolved already, or is it basically the same as the Concilium Mundi?

I know what you mean. I just read a history book and I can always find things relevant to my timeline. Even a book on Napoleonic France still helps me to develop my timeline haha An antiquities class would almost certainly be a gold mine. Do you go into detail on Roman society, with their customs and culture and stuff like that?

Something which I REALLY recommend for you is the book "Conspirata" by Robert Harris ("Lustrum" in non-US countries). It's about the life of Cicero, as told by his secretary-slave Tiro and it gives a reeeeeally immersive view into Roman society, Politics and that kind of thing. My entire page on the Roman Senate owes its existence basically to reading that book haha It's been real helpful. Red VS Blue 21:10, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

I really want to read your whole timeline too as I've said but I want to put it off until I can somehow be confident I won't sponge any of your ideas or see coincidences and unnessessarily change things :S
By the late 22nd century who controls the 'Roman world' either the Roman government or CM is extremely ambiguous. The amount of power the CM has been legitimately amassing was largely a result of Rome's fear of Sinica after the revolution and of disaffection by its own allies. A 'Rome vs. the world' war really is not a certain fight and civilian casualties would be nauseating. The Roman military by this time is in fact much smaller than in previous eras -maybe too small to even surely defend all of the Mediterranean- because Rome was for so long accepted as the world's leading power and hardly challenged in the field that its armies were retooled to better fight the unconventional wars which had actually become the conventional wars. The everyday citizen would hardly think that Rome’s allies would not do as they’re told but despite the omnipresence of Roman customs and culture in every nation they are positively not Roman provinces and have their own interests. Unlike ancient kings who willed their realms to Rome because they knew they’d take care of it, ‘today’ most people practically wish Rome would be ground to dust even though such a scenario would see them turned into subatomic particles by comparison. They don’t want to be Romans and as far back as Carico there were those who realised the world would never be homoromano. Rome itself is pretty much only half homo (haha), but some organisation friendly to Rome just had to be created to protect Rome and maybe the world as well from the sort of annihilation that superweapons were proposing. The CM staffs are largely from Roman lands simply because of the empire’s geography, yet these staffs come from all nations and all have been lead to believe that the CM is the ultimate good guy protecting the world from destruction and bringing prosperity (not that it isn’t for the most part). And with this sort of optimism the Roman government has been facing ever so stiffer independence of thought in the CM. Some nations notice this exact trend, and partly in smite they would work against policies submitted by Roman imperial delegates to get the CM back under Roman control. The CM I guess is like the Populares. What Rome was seeing was the end of the nation state to be replaced by the global state, spreading everything good Rome had to offer without the flag or secret police (not to suggest none of them hadn’t any).
And that’s the deal with the CM but there might be something I’m missing...
I'm not sure just how detailed my classes will go into everyday life, one professor has emphasised that it is a classics class not a history class, so that might mean they will... It's hard to guess but I would like to go into such detail in my timeline... though with such a large time block and all these cultural areas interacting and with fads and randomised new ideas it just might be a Nightmare ^^;
I have a couple novels set in the late republic early empire but haven't started them yet. I will definitely look into Lustrum/Conspirata.--TEAKAY 01:30, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
I see, so the CM is slowly taking away Rome's political power. I'm interested to see whether that trend will continue, cause the fact that the Aetas world has advanced is so high I'd expect humanity to become united eventually under one government. Cause at this level of advancement and without one government, those superweapons would be a huge problem. How much of the world is homo romano anyways? In my timeline there's about 1.4 billion Romans out of a world population of 7.9 billion, so I imagine yours is a lot higher, eh?
Well a "classics" class is a pretty ambiguous word. It seems to me that it would give the profs a lot of freedom. I wouldn't be too surprised if you did a section on Classical Cultures at some point in your university year. Oh, well if you ever read those books that you have, be sure to recommend me some =P Red VS Blue 14:19, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
In 1439 the world population is about 5.1 billion and there are around 1.5 billion inhabitants of the empire (~111 million slaves ~1.38 billion citizens), but the 'half homo' sentiment comes from those both citizern and slave and also immigrant that don't follow conventional Roman cultural practices. Rome used to follow pro population policies which often got them out of the population crashes from plagues but since the 1200's they have really slown down compared to the rest of the world. Owning half the planet and only having a third of the population seems pretty crazy when you have most of the Americas and India but the empire's industries are very automated, slaves are dying out, people just aren't having families like they used to, and in reality Rome has been experiencing a population boom since the end of the world war so if that boom hadn't happened the population may have been as low as 600 million while the rest of Earth would still be over 3 billion. 600 million is assuming events in the world wouldn't bring Rome's enemies to using their eventual population advantages against it, and there are of course fears like there were in the early 20th century about race suicide.
The novels I have are "The First Man in Rome" by Colleen McCoullough and "The Eagle of the Ninth" by Rosemary Sutcliff.--TEAKAY 15:52, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

How many out of those 1.38 billion citizens are actually Roman though? Cause if the Empire fell chances are the non-Romans would form their own nations right? Any Romans I imagine would try to stick together, even in a worst case scenario. Historically ethnicities tend to stick together.

Really, 5.1 billion? Is agricultural technology the same in TTL as it is OTL? Red VS Blue 20:20, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Roman culture in this timeline adopts from and/or absorbs almost every culture it comes into contact with partly because of social engineers in the empire who worked on making Romanisation more acceptable to the indigenous peoples. One of their big tools are the culture specific fads which cycle approximately every thirty years in different regions. These fads always leave some permanent residues and the engineers want this process of spreading all the cultures about to eventually make people feel the various superficial traditions and customs are unimportant, actually fade away, and make romanitas mean more along the lines of responsible, dedicated, persevering, and hard working than any real identifiable traits that make a person say “That’s definitely from the Romans.”.
So for a long time ‘to be Roman’ has been a vast palette of shifting shades, and that is more what I meant by homoromano instead of ‘Rome busts in, “I’m the GOD DAMN ROMAN EMPIRE take it, die, or go to the boonies!”’(^^;).
It isn’t frictionless as ethnic problems and assimilation resistance mostly from Judea to India have held them back from Senate seats for a considerable time.
One of the things keeping Rome together is simply it’s historic prestige and legitimacy as world leader in almost everything. But it’s a crutch they’re starting to lean on way too much and how they fumbled the early space race was dangerous.
I’m being a windbag here because your questions have parts to them I haven’t considered and so I am practically working it out every time you ask. Is it a good brainstorming or is it hackneyed and slapped together? haha ^^;;
Agriculture is comparable to OTL, in much of the developed world it has a history of extreme automation, in large part responsible (not just in Rome) for both the smaller families and falling demand for slaves. Among the causes of this trend that was started by Rome was actually when the Miasmata killed most of the slaves and the first automobiles started developing. BUT, Africa is very unorganised right now, BUT AGAIN they are starting to get population booms and the corporations are seeing potential in it.--TEAKAY 12:53, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

It's just as I read on one of your pages, how its like a purple cloth going over other cultures. I think it's a very apt comparison.

For on the spot answers these are very good =D I've been reading other parts of your timeline and I think you definitely explain things really well there too. Occasionally some things aren't clear, but that's the case a lot less often than almost any other timeline I've read. Definitely keep up the good work!!

You're so lucky to have 500 years left to create though. haha I'm interested to see what that world will look like in 2010 =D That'll be awesome!! Red VS Blue 01:10, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm excited just for the 1500s X)--TEAKAY 01:21, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
haha Well you've got some stuff written down for that period, right? Red VS Blue 02:27, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
On the word document the level of detail for the future is like a triangle. I have concepts going as far as the 2000's but they are sporadic possible events at most.--TEAKAY 02:45, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Really? There's no "doomsday" event in that rough future of yours, right? I'm interested to see how you'll depict the non-usage of nuclear weapons for a full 500 years. Even in OTL we almost came to our end after only 18 years of having nukes. Red VS Blue 21:58, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

 :X what, doomsday?!... No <_< >_> no need to worry about one of those haha.
The Coldwar in 1439 has been going on for over 80 years and although new weapons (teledeturbo, power armour, static shields, orbital lasers) are being developed there is actually a growing though untold desire in Rome and Sinica to cut the stockpiling of nuclear warheads. Sinica in its habitual introspective character seen in so many other timelines has largely lost interest in exporting its control and has been focusing on integrating its own members. Sinica controls the PAB far more than Rome the CM, each of these methods have strengths and weaknesses in unity and short/long term responsiveness.
Even at the 50 year mark people on all sides started taking the Coldwar a whole lot less seriously as a military/apocalyptic threat and more of an economic/technology competition. Various 'experts' have gone so far as to claim the world is in a golden age of peace and scientific discovery spurned by hyperpowers cordially competing for prestige in accomplishment. The PAB is surrounded by CM/Roman silos, but aside from MAD, everyone now perceives such a war going active has being nothing but a waste of resources now; and a tragic loss of property, lives, and money soon after. But I have to say that the Coldwar is entering a transitive phase because of the effects of the Yellow Scare.--TEAKAY 01:49, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

The Haudenosaunee

Hi, I was reading you timeline, The Hau, and was wondering if uou let me adopt it and expand it. Thanks!

Greek Amerika 20:36, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

That timeline was a bit of a mistake for me to put up because I thought I could keep up with two timelines at once. The timeline is written up until the 1970's and once Ætas ab Brian is finished I want to put the rest of The Haudenosaunee up.--TEAKAY 10:09, September 22, 2010 (UTC)
Hi! I´m really looking forward to reading your continuation! If the timeline should ever be open to expansion / fleshing out, I´d love to propose some categories, if not, I´m still looking forward to finding out how things develop! Salvador79 (talk) 10:15, January 31, 2014 (UTC)
._. Oh I hope you're willing to wait a decade or so...--TEAKAY (talk) 14:04, January 31, 2014 (UTC)
-(Salvador79 (talk) 11:38, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

The AE

Thank you for adding that incredibly difficult letter AE in my time-line. I don't know how to put it in on a standard key board (is there a way?). It was very nice of you to do that.

Also, I considered using the Native Egyptian word for Egypt which was Kemet. Though I decided AEgyptia was a lot better. It would be better still if I could put that AE in their.

By the way, your Aeab time line was one of the timeliness that I got some inspiration from. Did you like it? Thank you, --Flagmania 02:06, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Æ comes from alt-146 with the numberpad and æ is 145. The timeline is neat and I like that it has a map and a pun. Puns are funny on paper. Or in subtitles.--TEAKAY 02:23, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
Thænks so much! I only noticed that there was a major world organization that had the capabilities of altering history and was one of the main superpowers named PUN after you said that. It does make it kind of comical.
Flagmania 15:16, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Your Maps

Another user on this site (Red) told me that you are a great mapmaker. I checked out your timeline again this time with the purpose of looking at your maps, and I found a new map that you uploading to History of Rome after the Aeab. One thing doesn't sit right though. It has 'Nanchao Sinica' on it. I thought the Chinese nation was called 'Xun Sinica'. The Other chinese nation is different as well (Dai on Yeke Sinica or Dai Ming Guo Sinica).

Whats the deal?

Flagmania 02:47, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Also, there are some new nations Hungaria, Penna, and Colo. Africa is way out of porpotion and South Terranova is tiny compared to the rest of the world.

Flagmania 02:56, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

I hadn't realised just how much I was rushing to finish the last maps- in the 2100 map Nanchao Sinica was supposed to become Xun Sinica and the 2124 map Dai Ön Yeke was supposed to become Dà Ming Guó Sinica. Thank-you I'm really glad someone caught it this soon. I think I've fixed them but the thumbnails seem to be bugging up a bit or something.
Hungaria and all the nations never before mentioned are caused by paying better attention more areas and history of the world.
And the proportions are outreageous because the maps are composites of five disparate ones but I really wished to have a single view of the empire and I couldn't find a map with the detail and perspectives I wanted.--TEAKAY 13:15, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
How about making a new map? One showing the whole world? I have found that this is a really good blank one,

A very nice world map, if I say so myself

Maybe you could leave all your old maps (asie from adding Hungaria and other things) and just start with a brand new blank map like this?
Say why do the maps you've been using only show Rome and the surrounding areas? I mean, if they've gone to the Moon, then why don't they have earth all mapped out?!?!?
And where is your timeline (a very complex one I might add) going? It seems like eventually you'll run out of technological ideas.
Flagmania 18:46, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
That is a good map and will use it to upgrade other maps though the one I'm using also has rivers and mountain ranges and is still more detailed and still being worked on.
The maps of Rome are of Rome and the surrounding areas, not of what Rome knows about. I haven't made the water blue since revealing how warped the coastlines are would just make the maps too rediculous to bother looking at.
That technology crunch was actually a big situation in thinking about the timeline because I couldn't help but think that it would be less than a century after the (not disasterous) technological singularity that Humans would popoppop -be energy beings and that's just plain the end since you can't make politics, wars, and maps that can easily be related to. So I had to FIRST make that the first singularities seem to commit suicide within hours of activation so that for at least a while Humans give up on the idea and of course I had to make most of the aliens do likewise because aliens are most fun when tech levels are comparable and I'm putting a disclaiminer on the timeline once we get aliens because once they show up everything is unavoidably ASB and I've had to make everyone paranoid enough to have proper control on nano machines because of the computronium risk and all that.
Thinking about technology and society the one thing that I can relax about is when I remeber that TNG episode "Darmok" where they do a computer search but DON'T HAVE GOOGLE so they have a really awkward time pieceing together what they're looking for. future fiction always ends up missing something about how societies use technology. They are working on a computer you wear like a necklace which projects on a wall and follows hand gestures for commands, in the future the computer will be contact lenses, then it will just plain be part of the brain and there won't even be a HUD you'll just know what time it is and you'll multitask like a boss walking down the street talking with one friend who is next to you and one far away while painting mnd pictures with fractals and watching first-person as some big amazing event happening somewhere else- genetic engineering identifying sociopaths and bringing up the big discussiona s to just how just it is to forcibly correct them at the genetic level afainst their will.
Oh yeah man, this is almost the most optimistic view available because-
that's enough of that you can skip to here. Long story short Ætas ab Brian in the end doesn't become dystopic.--TEAKAY 21:42, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
Wow. That is ...interesting to say the least. I was also wondering where the timeline is going in actual nations not just technology. One thing that I find interesting is that the odds always seem so stacked in Rome's favor (although towards the end of the Aetas so far it seems that Rome starts slipping up).
Rome in the Aetas seems kinda like Western Civilization in general OTL.
But there is one thing I really want to know....
Will Xun Sinica win the Cold War!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!
Also, I tried using the map above to make a map of your world. I know it really didn't turn out very good, but its just a rough idea.
Flagmania 02:43, February 7, 2011 (UTC)
Here it is-

Your World, sir

Flagmania 02:45, February 7, 2011 (UTC)
Things are terribly stacked for Rome I know but I really try to reason it out. I think a lot of its longevity is coming from ASBs of Rome always being able to struggle through natural disasters that debilitated it OTL, and revitalising itself of its own initiative after major setbacks, as if dark ages fuel golden ages. In real life however it is more like people who both have an idea what they are doing AND are in a powerful position are one in ten million people stretched over a thousand years. In real life a people just can't be as energetic and vigilent and inventive as they have in this timeline for this long.
I can tell you that the coldwar doesn't get hot.
The map is neat-other people's interpretations of things often are- but I don't know if I'm going to use the base for the main map.--TEAKAY 03:22, February 7, 2011 (UTC)


MY FRIEND..., Let me introduce myself..., I am actually a member of the discussion board of the site, I don't know if you've got an account there... but I've just promoted your work in a thread that I've created a few hours ago... and despite the lack of responses from the thread... considering that I've just made links and so they couldn't comment really on your pretty big work... since they might still busy reading on it.. and just didn't comment on the thread anymore due to some inconveniences on doing that... It already garnered 51 views! just in 8 hours!... and that's an amazing record already my friend...

Here is the thread:


EDITED: Since it seems that you can't view my thread: Then I'll just copy and paste what Ive written there...:

Libertad Husband of Lady Liberty Join Date: Jul 2011Location: The Super Empire of TondoPosts: 371

Rome: Survival- The After Ætas ab Brian timeline---- This is not my TL and it's actually from another website; a rival website I think ; but it's a good read for Rome-wank fans... in case these people are not aware of this....

Here they are:

Ante Ætas Briani story Ætas ab Brian story After Ætas ab Brian timeline


  • Egyptian historian from the OTL 1950’s exploring ancient catacombs falls through time to Ptolemaic Egypt approx.~40 BCE, and for several years resolving to prevent its immediate collapse (though it still collapsed later on)
  • Italian military engineer from the OTL 2030’s interferes with a top secret project, falling through time to approx.~30BCE. He struggles but was determined almost immediately to prevent Rome’s collapse.

The scholar named himself as Hakizimana...but died later on in the ... while the military engineer became General Cruuxius Tiberius Carico and then he took care of Jesus Christ after the fall of Ptolemaic Judaea to the Romans at the same time of his birth...then he named him as Ieff Brian (yes, Ieff Brian, which is weird according to the Roman scholar who watched over him every single moment of Ieff's life and recorded it as instructed in a document named "Ætas ab Brian" but soon left on his own in Judaea)... and was not crucified probably... since his friend stated that he hadn't returned yet at his 32nd year...destroying the crucial factor for the massive conversions into Christianity... though the alternate Christianity still gained adherents but only minimal... It even destroyed the Nativity with Joseph conscripted into the Ptolemaic Egyptian armies while the Virgin Mary died from childbirth and was left unattended as the General himself saw her in Bethlehem... because of their coming!

The names' etymology fit though: "God peace" or "peace" for Jeff... or Ieff as he changed it... and "Noble", "strong", "High" and "virtuous" for Brian...

List of the achievements of the general:

  1. He shipped the Library of Alexandria to a new city, named as, Venetia (Guess where is it? ) by 1 A.D.
  2. He sent Ieff to military training in Sparta in his 12th birthday in 8 A.D.
  3. He succeeded Augustus as the new Princeps by 10 A.D.
  4. He defeated Tiberius' rebellion against him by 17 A.D. and guess who helped him with his victories?? ()
  5. Guess what who became the governor of Egypt in TTL? And for a good six years... After that though, he went back to Judaea and soon.., searched for himself...

This is the general's profile anyway with all his accomplishments as Princeps:

Emperor Cruuxius_Tiberius Carico_

Plus, This engineer invented/introduced the

  • trigonometric functions, calling them seno, coseno, tangente; and what he described as their inverses: cosecante, secante, and cotangente.
  • differensiale and integrale calculus.
  • Log and Lon(Ln) functions.
  • and perhaps most significant for mathematicians, the introduction of using the symbols (displayed here literally as they were given) + - = ÷ and using letters as variables.
  • Fovmara cvrr (steam wheel)
  • Vaposcvrr (primitive train)
  • Alesaliti (primitive aircraft)
  • Index (compass)

Yap..., That's about it... The current year of the timeline is 2192 using the Roman calendar and that is 1439 using our Gregorian calendar...

The map comparisons:

743(-10) Roman Empire map 2192(1439) Roman Empire map

Whoever made this timeline..., It's amazing..., though I believe it need improvements... Is he/she a member of this site?? I don't know... but I praised that person for this creation...__________________

Libertad Husband of Lady Liberty Join Date: Jul 2011Location: The Super Empire of TondoPosts: 371

I really I think that I have to contact the author of this work through that site... Because I'm really hoping that his or her work could be moved into here...with his or her permission of course... I'm also more than willing to transfer it here from that site for convenience of you readers and also so that you can comment on it here as well... It's a waste that it couldn't get much exposure using this site... with responses from other readers like you also... I'll wait... then I'm going to post it here... But I'm not going to claim this TL as mine of course...

And that's it...,So if there's a chance... Maybe we can work on this... you know... I can post your work in the site and cited you... or maybe if you don't have an account there... You can make one and PM me there... even right now... since I've allowed it to be public at least for the community I believe... Thanks... See you...

I'LL RETURN AND CHECK FOR YOUR RESPONSE HERE... PLEASE REPLY HERE so you can inform me of your decision.... Or you can just go out and PM me there if you've already had an account...



LIBERTAD-- 09:31, August 28 2011 (UTC)

... I'm... going to have to think aboot this. The timeline has gone into a superduper info gathering/processing stage that is for the most part offline and I'm mostly using the wiki now for ease of reference, backup, and for sparse feedback. So everything else aside for now, and because incredulity has been my heaviest fear for the timeline, what are the improvements you're looking for?--TEAKAY 16:58, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
Well... I've already got 3 responses... and they all want your work to be posted there... and 110 views as well on its 1st day based on the search functions.... I'M GAINING PUBLICITY you know! Hahaha...! But that's not what I really want... It's for your timeline to gain greater recognition in a large and global AH community of readers and fellow authors... And it would be one of the best ASB timelines there... Trust me.... It could even get a Turtledove award or at least a nomination.... So yap..., Think about it... And anyway..., if you know of the concept of Alien Space Bats... then you don't have to be fearful of responses of implausibility for your timeline... And I've posted the thread in the ASB forum so it's understandable that time travel scenarios and 2 personal ISOT's made the timeline possible... There might be trolls around... But they could just be reported to Ian the Admin and yes... suspension or outright ban are their sentences... while many good hearted readers will make their suggestions... or they would politely show any criticisms... which what I'm getting 90% of the time thankfully...
In terms of improvements, I cannot really express them out right now... They're on the tip of my tongue... It could just be minor... and I'm more concerned for your maps... without the seas or something.... So really think about it... I've removed my email here since you're responding to me right now.... and by the way, one of the responses in the site brought me to your deviant account... Though unfortunately, I haven't a deviant account... yet... I think... so I know you're an active person on the Net...
Hoping that you can consider the offer..
LIBERTAD... 04:57, August 29 2011 (UTC)

I've had an account on Alternate for some time but never really used it because it doesn't seem to allow any activity different than those without accounts. And I'm not thrilled that I can't see what's been posted. I also don't have much interest in forums and threads.--TEAKAY 11:57, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
Ah... as I've expected... you do have an account there... and familiar of that site... well.., as a difference between members and guests..., in guests.., you just can't see every thread unlike being a member... And I'm just new to the site.., I'm figuring out how to make my threads like the one I've done to promote your work open to everybody... including guests... I'll figure it out.... And guests can't make posts and threads so they can post their work too as you know... Hmmmm... So this is the best that I can do for those who viewed my thread ah... Just make them click the links so they can view your work... I'm thinking that you'll not allow me to just post your work there w/o your permission... So what happens now? ---- LIBERTAD
For the record, if you try that at all without his permission, you will be in violation of the rules of this wiki, and I will get you banned on for it. As an fyi from the admin. Lordganon 13:29, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
Wow...! That's good to know... Thanks for the info.... And I'm actually aware that there's something that's going to happen if I'd dare doing that... That's why I've came all the way here to talk with C II R... And it's also good to know that you've got contacts with Ian from if there's any at all.... That's great to know... Anyway..., I'm a regular visitor of this site... that's why I've found out this Rome wank work by C II R which is really great.... So, thanks for the info again.... ---- LIBERTAD
Ok I've thought about it and at least for now I don't want it going out to Alternate History. If I do change my mind I will talk to you again LIBERTAD. --TEAKAY 17:38, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
Ok.... but even if I'm a regular visitor of this site... I'm not really sure how you can contact me... Probably by my email...? Did you just saw my post on it before...? Because I've deleted it already... If you didn't record it somewhere for some reason... then I'll just post it to you again... if it can be done privately... without being seen here I think... though It's not much on an issue since I could just delete it again and I'm sending you my second email account....
Thanks for the opportunity in talking with you anyway... ! Keep up the great work with this TL...!
By the way... Can I still keep my promotional thread about your work there?? Also..., It already had 124 views after about 36 hours... so they've probably followed the links... and caught up with your work that they didn't find it to comment anymore on my thread...or whatever.... but at least I've got some responses... hehehe...
LIBERTAD -- 13:55, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
I do have your email written down and I would like the promotional thread removed as well, but I am glad you enjoyed reading it.--TEAKAY 19:03, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
Ouch..., But then if that's your decision... so be it... I'll respect that... And I've also written down your mail as well..., I saw it in your deviant account... so we'll just contact each other then from then on.... I'll contact you through my first email which I'm using more commonly.... so you can save it... then I'll also contact you through the email you've just written down... I'll let you know if I've already removed the thread... which is not that hard... I believe... Thanks for the wonderful opportunity then..! --- LIBERTAD -- 14:27, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
I've just deleted it about two days ago... so yap... it's done... Thanks again... ---LIBERTAD 23:23, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
Thank-you for following up--TEAKAY 13:16, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Two nominations in the 2012 Stirling Awards

Hello, impressed as I am by your work on the Ætas ab Brian universe, I went ahead and nominated you for two lifetime achievement awards; that of Writer and Timeline. I hope you will accept these nominations and if so, let me be the first to wish you good luck in the voting process. --XterrorX 17:24, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

Thank-you very for the nominations, how do I go about accepting them?--TEAKAY 19:22, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

There's no accepting or anything like that involved. Lordganon 14:41, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

Not literally, no. I meant accepting in the sense of you simply approving of being nominated for those two awards this year. Which you obviously do. ;) --XterrorX 22:07, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations, C II R


Winner of the 2012 Stirling
Lifetime Achievement Award in the Writer Category

You are the winner of the 2012 Stirling Lifetime Achievement Award in the Writer Category. Congrats, and may you more actively grace us with your presence in the future! Lordganon 08:46, January 26, 2012 (UTC)


I see your Latin abilities have recently improved.

How's it been? Red VS Blue 16:06, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

I just had an exam in it. Speremus non etiam aquiram 'D-'  :| --TEAKAY 03:28, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

That's not exactly high expectations, man. I'm sure you did better than D-.

Will this sharp increase in your Latin skill show up in your althistory writing anytime soon? I admire what you've done so far, and so does the community obviously. It was a shame to see you fall off the map. Red VS Blue 21:29, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Sharp increase?? I guess I don't have a good grasp of what is meant by 'Basic' and 'Intermediate' Level understanding :|
Ever since I've started these studies and reading other sources for data the number of notes I have to process and apply is mickymouse. I've read that getting bogged down in specifics of everything is a bad place to go but oh well. It's possible that in the summer I may be capable of more action here but my free time always seems to shrink to compensate for increases in free time, if you know what I mean.--TEAKAY 00:00, March 13, 2012 (UTC)
But 0.01 more Latin, how is that not a sharp increase?! *sarcasm*
Seriously though I understand that kind of block. It's tempting to make sure every little detail works just right or is realistic. And ya, the more time I have the less I seem to use it. That's a big problem sometimes... Red VS Blue 01:17, March 13, 2012 (UTC)


Will you make a nations list for AETAb ab Brian? (I dunno how to spell it) RandomWriterGuy (talk) 01:29, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

Nations to speak of--TEAKAY (talk) 01:32, August 25, 2012 (UTC)


It is spelled "Novgorod," not "Novogrod."

I have restored Eo's spelling corrections of this word, and fixed a few more occurrences of it I have found.

Lordganon (talk) 03:52, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

 :'( ATL it is supposed to be Novogrod. This is my silly playing at alternate linguistic developments, having the Slavs using 'novo' as new and 'grod' as city instead of 'nov' and 'gorod'. I'm begging you not to do this.--TEAKAY (talk) 21:34, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
I gave you an explanation- I DID! WHY are you doing this! --TEAKAY (talk) 00:55, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Deletion requests

Hi, CIIR. I'm rarely active these days and it's good to pop in and see you still writing. Well over a decade of work that you've put into it! I'm looking into the deletion backlog and see some pages that you marked for deletion. Do you also want the maps on the pages deleted, or are you going to reuse them? Benkarnell (talk) 18:22, April 29, 2020 (UTC)

Deleting the maps is good, thank you very much, Benkarnell! TEAKAY (talk) 19:01, April 29, 2020 (UTC)
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