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- 1 Avaro
- 2 Republic of Australia
- 3 South America
- 4 Invitation
- 5 NE
- 6 People in NAV
- 7 Brazil in NAV
- 8 Greater Europe
- 9 Re: Environment in GWS
- 10 TE vs CP
- 11 HELP!!!!!!
- 12 Avaro
- 13 Columbus: First Contact?
- 14 Seven Years War
- 15 Novus Mundi
- 16 Lobositz Lamentable Loss
- 17 VRR
- 18 Saxony in PMII
- 19 Your Map Game Question
- 20 Constitution of the HRE PMII
- 21 Vote
- 22 Secret Request
- 23 Conclave
- 24 Map Game Wiki
- 25 Napoleonic Europe Revied!
- 26 Radioactive Tide Reloaded!
- 27 Stirlings
- 28 PMII
- 29 Congress of Vienna
- 30 PMII
- 31 Night of the Living Alternate History
- 32 Re:No Napoleon Map
- 33 Chile in NAV
- 34 India in NAV
- 35 Koori Union(PMII)
- 36 A possible aid in my African campaigns
- 37 India Stuff in NAV
- 38 Technical Answer
- 39 PM2 GGU
- 40 Discussions
- 41 pmii
- 42 Duplicate
- 43 Implausibility
- 44 Miracle at Marne
- 45 Viva La Revolution
- 46 Wittelsbacher World
- 47 Files
- 48 I'm sorry, need you this time
- 49 Latin Help
- 50 PM3
- 51 War
- 52 Regarding My Coastal Cities
- 53 RE:RE: Regarding my coastal cities
- 54 Coat of Arms of India in Napoleon's Australian Victory
- 55 PMIII Labrador
- 56 Our Joint-Outpost In Africa
- 57 RE:RE: Our Joint Post in Africa
- 58 RE:RE:RE: Our Joint Post In Africa
- 59 War
- 60 PMIII Mod page
- 61 Second Duplication
- 62 Regarding Student Chairman,
- 63 Marrikuwuyanga
- 64 Cape York
- 65 Recent Diplomacy
- 66 Royal Marriage Proposal
- 67 Australia Questions
- 68 Re:Scottish Union Jack
- 69 Re-Establishment of Formal Relations
- 70 RE:RE: Re-establishment of formal relations
- 71 HRE
- 72 New map game
- 73 Proposal
- 74 Congress of Vienna - Reinstalled (Map Game)
- 75 Offer
- 76 sepAratist
- 77 PM3 Posting
- 78 Queens
- 79 Re:British Spring
- 80 War spoils
- 81 Concerning Westphalia in PM3
- 82 PMIII stuff
- 83 German Unification
- 84 Treaty of Brunswick + Misc.
- 85 Heads up
- 86 Notification
- 87 PMIV
- 88 Pope
- 89 PM4 Complaint
- 90 PM4 Refuge
- 91 Marriage
- 92 Edge resigned
- 93 Spanish Portugese War and Oct's meta nonsense
- 94 Request your support
- 95 RE: Wombats
- 96 About the events in the Papal States
- 97 Pope Election
- 98 Greenland
- 99 Recent strikes on Austtalia
- 100 Mod Council PMIV
- 101 chat
- 102 Natives
- 103 Native Americans in pm4
- 104 Confirm colonisation PMIV
- 105 Strategy
- 106 NAV question
- 107 PMIV
- 108 IMPORTANT
- 109 Alexandria, et al
- 110 PMIV: crusade
- 111 PM4 idea
- 112 Catholism in Lan Xang/Laos
- 113 Re: Navy Size
- 114 Current election
- 115 Discord
- 116 Re: election
- 117 jesus neve
- 118 PM4 Diplomacy
- 119 I would like to adopt the article -Scotland (1983: Doomsday).
hullo!Barretonia 10:15, January 25, 2012 (UTC)from Barretonia 25th Jan 2012
don't really feel like writing my own world, but i do enjoy reading them and playing the map gameIyandelian 09:59, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
Republic of Australia
Feel free to edit or create it. I'll tweek it a little once you're done. It became independent after CV WW1 when the British Empire was forced to grant independence to it's larger dominions of the time. It was invaded and occupied by the Japanese during CV WW2 which took Australia out of the war. Not territory was taken by the Japanese and Australia remains an independent democracy today.220.127.116.11 14:13, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
Hi Callumthered! I noticed that you put in this list of nations as the capital of the United Provinces of the Rio de Plata to Rio de la Plata, but that city not exist and maybe you mean to Buenos Aires. Regards! --Katholico 06:00, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
- Yep, and i think that is normal given that each one generally know more about his own country or region. My speciality is South America, and also i noticed that in your TL Bolivia is named Martinia, right? And the capital is Sucre, but maybe in this case i think that you might change the name. Regards! --Katholico 14:50, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
- Sucre was named in honour of Antonio Jose de Sucre, but as he is from Venezuela is probably that also died during the wars against spanish and french. In that case, and as San Martín is who liberate to the country, the city would be named as one of the argentinian generals: Manuel Belgrano, who in OTL fought in Bolivia. Regards! --Katholico 02:34, February 23, 2012 (UTC)
I am always looking to take a creative shortcut using art that is consistent with my ALT and meets a high quality standard. Your flag is spectacular. I will try and use more from you :>) --CassAnaya
Hello! I am Ianian58, and I have recently started a new map game called "Napoleonic Europe", and I've been hoping you could join- here is the link Europe (Map Game)#The World Before the Game Started Napoleonic Europe Ianian58 20:29, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
Whould you be okay with giving the Kingdom of Saxony complete independence from the Confederation? Bobalugee1940 00:35, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
How would my say be brought into use in the running of the affairs of the Confederation? Practically speaking Bobalugee1940 02:00, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
quite Bobalugee1940 02:29, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
Do you think that the new name of Poland should be the United Kingdom of Poland and Saxony or the Polish-Saxon Kingdom? Bobalugee1940 23:26, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
Hey check out Napoleonic Europes talk page for something you might find useful!
People in NAV
Hey. I'm was wondering if your going to make an Alternate Destiny page for your timeline? Enclavehunter 06:09, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
Brazil in NAV
Hi Callum! Sure, i'm glad to help.
Well, yes, the name make sense perfectly, but i think that United Kingdom of Brazil and Portugese Africa should be just the official name. For common use, the country can be called just as Brazil or Empire of Brazil, but for the page name, i suggested only named Brazil. I hope this serve you, Regards! --Katholico 08:22, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
You're welcome :) By the why, i can ask what is the situation Chile in your TL? The country did not appears in the list of nations, but in the world map yes, and seems to be similar to OTL but seems a little big in the north part. Regards! --Katholico 00:57, May 29, 2012 (UTC)
- No problem. :) I will continue revising your TL to see if you need help with something else. Regards! --Katholico 03:57, May 29, 2012 (UTC)
Hi again Callum! I hope not to bother you, but I see this map that you upload, and i noticed that the chilean territory is very small and that besides Rio de la Plata seem have access to the Pacific trought OTL south Chile. I ask this because you before tell that Chile is biggest power in the South-East Pacific your TL. But given the territories that show the map, this seem me unlikely because if Rio de la Plata have this access, then this country would the biggest power in the aerea. :/ (Also, Martinia seems have sea access trought OTL Tarapaca) Regards! --Katholico 02:17, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
Re: Environment in GWS
No problem at all. This is an open timeline, and we welcome your contributions. I skimmed through the page, and so far so good. The only thing I would say caution about is the "furry lizards." I am not too sure as to when this species became extinct, but it should be noted that the timeline's POD is around the last Ice Age. So unless this species was able to survive and evolve at all, needs to be looked at. Other than this, great job so far. ^_^ --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 15:38, June 17, 2012 (UTC)
Their seeds are actually "nuts." Such foods, harvested from the wild, would be very needed for the voyage. Between what they bring over, what drifts over, and what arrives with animals, they'd get there. Really, when the first natives arrive they will find the trees already there. Lordganon (talk) 08:39, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
TE vs CP
Hey it's Britain. We have to discuss important matters. Sorry to have to do this but because of your entering of that alliance we have to brake off our alliance and withdraw all aid from your country naval or military. We thought you promised us a "staunch and strong ally in the Balkans" and now you leave and join another alliance after we made you stronger? i must ask why?AP 00:49, June 26, 2012 (UTC)
- We dont want you to sever ties or anything we just feel backstabbed by your decision to join another alliance system. Join the Entente instead and be backed up by stronger allies who actually help you.AP 02:14, June 26, 2012 (UTC)
The CSA would like to offer Brazil a secret allaince so that when Brazil declares indepedance, and it should as Brazil is the only remnant of Portugal that is not fully controlled by Spain. Spain is you conqueror, the Confederacy will help you overthrow them. I WILL NOT BE SILENCED!!! DeanSims (User talk:DeanSims) 21:29, June 28, 2012 (UTC)
Aztlan begs for your help as the Americans are going to invade Aztlan in order to take over the country and destroy Aztlan into nothing more than dozens of colonies. We beg for your help.
Looks like in Avaro you are only of the only sane nations left. Bharat will help you to keep the peace. In 1988, an organization called PITO will form. Its full form is Pacific and Indian Treaty Organization. I would like you, along with New Grenada to join with Bharat. It will enable a much better defensive organization. We will also be able to neutralize the rampant Chipanese (mix of China and Japan) and Egyptians and bring stablity to the world.
You do not have to be an agressive nation, just a "sane" nation to be in the organization and be willing to respect soverignty. Please accept when the time comes! :D Imperium Guy 16:46, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
Well done on your 1000 edits, the 1000th happening to be on by talkpage!!
Well, Bharat is the Indian name for India, and yea it was on my mind, lol. I see what you mean. That's what put me off. I only returned when I saw you and nk were still in there.
Moving on to PITO. Its a late version of NATO but better than nothing. I will start it up this turn, so keep looking out for it... :D Imperium Guy 22:10, July 3, 2012 (UTC)Here is the flag of the organization which I have made before.
What do you think? I know it is a copy of the NATO flag, but I am pretty proud of this flag.
I have sent the offer now! :D Imperium Guy 13:21, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
Columbus: First Contact?
OK then. Just tell them me was fine with it. Also, mind if I post once in a while?
Seven Years War
Lobositz Lamentable Loss
We need to figure out this country thing. In less than 30 years you,me,and Spain will all have the same ruler. Now i am all for the United Kingdom of Great Britain,Ireland,Spain,and Germany but we still have things to look over. If we join up as one country, we definitely will become top nation even after all our colonies gain independence. Right now the best nations are the UK,France,and Germany. Our union as the new UK will shake the world to its very core. Now being the same nation isnt as bad as you might think, Germany and Spain will be devolved and control their affairs but we will be a nation. Let me know.AP (talk) 03:41, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah that's what i meant by devolution. And you can be called a kingdom i mean your too big to be a duchy or even a grand duchy. Different legislature, separate military, everything else: One nation. Also i quickly did these two pictures, i know they're lame but its not the final product. I'm hoping someone on the Nexus will help me out on this.
Wow, such great ideas we got ! I think this should be the final flag. I took yours and just filled in the blue parts with red. Now it is the Union Jack(representing Great Britain and Ireland),the German tricolor on the left, and the Spanish tricolor on the right. This is great.
hey callum idk if you will be interested by this, but if you want, you could Review the map game ideas i proposed in the next map game idea page and also to join A Great World (Map Game) Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:22, August 21, 2012 (UTC)
Saxony in PMII
Could you look at the Holy Roman Empire page for PMII? There is something important there that, as a member of the HRE, you should look at carefully.
Yes, I am refering to that treaty.
How the military works is that there will be a Imperial Army, and the states (such as Saxony) can maintain Militias for their individual defence and internal policing. The emperor, while being the head of the armed forces, only controls the imperial army.
Bascially, how annexation will work is like this: you can take it over, but the imperial government will still recognize Anhalt as a state, and it will maintain any representatives in the government. The official map and history will still regard it as still existing.
I know that that is weird, but I don't want the Conclave of kings to become too small, and the other states would never accept if they were completly taken over.
Let me know if you are still unsure.
Your Map Game Question
Nein Ihre Grammatik ist nicht allzu schlecht. Ich bin ein wenig auf, was Sie fragen verwirrt. Willst du mich, um das Spiel zu spielen? wenn ja, ich nehme Preußen.
Constitution of the HRE PMII
I would like you, as a member of the Holy Roman Empire in PMII to formally establish the system of our state by signing this constitution so we can organize the new system as soon as possible, and see if suits to everyone. --Galaguerra1 (talk) 05:30, September 29, 2012 (UTC)
hey would you like to play this new map game of mine http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Arabian_Failure_(Map_Game)#Asia Sine dei gloriem (talk) 22:56, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
Hey man, now the Emperor of HRE will be the candidate of Bavaria, I do not know exactly how many years will reign but for the election after this you have a plan? then I would try my. Forging alliances from now. Quiari (talk) 19:53, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
I will aid you in siezing bohemia, if you let Bavaria have the part that borders Bavaria. We have a considerable miltary size and share a large border through our vassal Thuringia, we will also allow Saxony to join the Imperial Merchants Guild.Andr3w777 (talk) 19:01, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
Its in the unification treaty, I remember it because I helped draft the treaty. And yes eventually, I'm trying to make a plausable senario to end Catholicism in Bavaria.Andr3w777 (talk) 16:47, November 11, 2012 (UTC)
Under the Constitution you are allowed to say no. I ask you to please. My nation has done nothing to deserve this treatment. We were NOT the ones that killed HUNDREDS over religion, we didnt not hang our dissidents outside the city gate like Brandenburg. We are peaceful, always have been. We don't want war please back off. I need help to fight this injustice, but if that is not to be then please stand downAndr3w777 (talk) 18:02, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
Hey Callumthered. I need the assistance of Waldeck against the Spanish and French menance, as well as seeing if Waldeck could get the support of Prussia against Spanish and French, considering you are great friends with Prussia. In exchange for the possible support, Prussia and Waldeck can divide Spain's Spanish colonies in Africa. (Everything in this discussion is secret). Enclavehunter (talk) 17:28, December 2, 2012 (UTC)
i'm here to introduce me, and to plead for your aid in my postulation to the Title of Emperor of the HRE,asking you to aid me on stablishing John of Burgundy as the next emperor since, this emperor has managed to keep relative peace in his domains in burgundy as a catholic, despite having the continues threat of the Keppelists and the Possibility of confliction with the orthodox catholics from earlier in the game, hence, with this experience maybe hi could be capable of keeping relative peace in the Empire aswell as keeping together the empire, i would appreciate your aid on this Sine dei gloriem (talk) 02:34, December 10, 2012 (UTC)
Hey man remember your word, i need your help in the election, you can change your vote, do it for me, we can save the empire, we can help each other in this time, vote for Savoy candidate! Quiari (talk) 03:40, December 11, 2012 (UTC)
Map Game Wiki
hi, Callum i would like to know if you would be willing to Come and Play in Map Game wiki any kind of Game you want, as i Want to Re activate the Map game wiki as an alternative way to the Althistory one, it would be also a good place to Make any sort of Map game project you might want Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:22, December 23, 2012 (UTC) http://mapgame.wikia.com/wiki/Map_Game_Wiki
Sure. This turn or future turns as well?
Napoleonic Europe Revied!
Radioactive Tide Reloaded!
StirlingsHey, we're up for a Stirling award! If you vote for the new UK flag, we'd be tied with the leader!AP (talk) 04:45, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
I got you Altmark and some other state next to it for your rule.
Also, we are in a period of super happiness in the HRE, but the Caliphate implausibly conquered Russia. Remember that plan they had? It's happening now and they're invading everyone and everything. We are a border nation now and should be ready to blow the socks off their horses at any given time.
Hope you enjoy being a boss in Germany!
Callum, Aragon somehow left the dynastic union with Germany. Can you help me? Please?
21:39, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
Military, if you could. :)
22:34, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
Hey Cal! In PMII, I see you have got a whole load of nations which are not part of your main nation. Now, I'm assuming that Anhalt and Magdeburg have been your vassals for over 20 years. If so, you can now incoporate them into your main country (Saxony). Same with Hesse, if its a vassal for over 20 years, then incorporate the country. This will give you the chance to expand population base and get a chance to vassalise more areas.
Congress of Vienna
I suggest we left all playable nations to be colored. Grey are to be claimed (I extended that Morocco can be played because it's on the Medditerranean). Regards, Laptop Zombie 04:21, February 9, 2013 (UTC)
Yes. I will update the map on the main page. Regards, Laptop Zombie 02:53, February 10, 2013 (UTC)
Yes, we need both. Regards, Laptop Zombie 05:41, February 10, 2013 (UTC)
You should really solidifiy the Wettin Lands into one state. Then go Rambo on some petty city-states next to us. Also, I have something secret to discuss with you in terms of war.
23:34, March 18, 2013 (UTC)
Night of the Living Alternate History
Re:No Napoleon Map
Hey, Callumthered, I'm glad you like my map. I actually used the map of French Polynesia on Wikipedia, and then I made the ocean white, the lands grey, and the borders the same grey. It was a lot of work, however, so if you'd like you can use my No Napoleon map as a basemap. The green borders are adjustable, so you don't have to start it from scratch. Enjoy! :) ChrisL123 (talk) 17:17, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
Chile in NAV
Hi Callum! Well, I think that this territory just will call "Protectorado de Polinesia" (Protectorate of Polynesia) or just "Polinesia Chilena". I don't know if exist a different name for all this islands besides Polynesia. jeje ^_^U Regards! --Katholico (talk) 17:54, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
Gotcha. WARNING: I may forget every now and then.
22:23, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
India in NAV
Its a very interesting concept to say the least! Although just a few comments about population and districts.
OTL Bangaldesh has around ~140 million people. Sindh also has a few million. Now I see the states of Himachal, Punjab and Kashmir are all part of the Sikh Empire (interesting concept - I think it would have more territory to the north and west though ;) but the only state with a significant population would be Punjab there. So a net population gain. With OTL India having 1.212 Billion people, and removing the north - it should give you around 1.14/1.15 Billion. Add Bengal and it would be around 1.3/1.35 Billion. So slightly more than a billion, lol.
Now the districts. Over time, and with a more prosperous India, the districts would change. For example, Ceylon would actually be two. If you have a Tamil district form from the Madras presidency, then it would also have the north of Ceylon (as it is actually Tamil-majority, not the Singalese - who are mainly in the south). The Agency States would also be actaully 2 - 4 different districts. Hydrabad would not be that large, lol - and I would trust most of its territory to actually be incorporated into the Bombay Presidency.
I think you might want to have 1911 as a significant year too (when all of this happens). It was in this year that Edward moved the capital from Calcutta (Kolkata) to Dehli. So, although I see no problems with the capital remaining in Calcutta, by 1911 (if the people have a say), there could be much territory distribution.
So, in my version, there are 12 provinces, 6 princely states and 3 "agency states". Although with this map the point I am trying to prove is going to be pretty hard. Just to show what the situation would be like in my opinion. I'll probably make a different map on the British Empire official map in 1909.
Although I wonder why the Sikh Empire would still exist. I would think it would be destroyed by the Empire anyway.
Well, inter-marrying would actually be a nessecity if they would want to solidify their claim. However, I would trust the British imperial family to pick Indian royalty of "legendary beauty". Basically, I would only trust them to marry good looking Royalty. I would not be surprised if Aishwarya Rai (I wonder if you know her?) would be part of the Royal Family. In the starting years, I would trust the Brits would keep some pride but as they became more "Indian", they would probably adopt more Indian policies and cultures. :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:37, April 12, 2013 (UTC)Tbh, not really. If you think about it, the British Royal Family is, well, German. The house of Winsor (their original family name is German) still has legimacy in the UK. So, even with Indian blood, they would still be British origin. Just make sure you have enough members who are white so the first dominions are fine with it.
I have another map which I am making which might make more sense than the one I have here (no problem if you use this one :). True, you can see the background - but if you are fine with it, I'll try to dim out the background. :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:55, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
Here is my promised second map. It is based on the Brit borders of 1909, so would "technically" be more correct than my previous version. About the Sikhs. If I am completely honest, I do not believe they would last so long. I do think they would have been invaded by the British and defeated.
About the map itself. Well, Mysore and Hydrabad are already in yellow, and so are the Rajputanas and the Central Indians (but they are agency states, as opposed to the Princely states). I have also added in Kashmir, as I am unsure about them (becuase if the Sikhs don't exist, then Kashmir would also be part of India - de facto Princely state.
I would also like to ask you something. Considering that the Indians would be educated in greater numbers, would it be at all possible for you to look into the Princely States having much less autonomy in the present day? This could be a gradual change, so overtime the princly states elect their own governers (or even better, the Nazims take on the role of permanent "governers" of their domains). So Princely states like Hydrabad would be more like fully-fledged states, and this could also give the Royal Family more real control in the government.
Oh and btw, I think a governer for each presidency would be better than a "President" (not sure how well the term would go down with the Royal Family - considering the President replaces their role as Head of State). So what do you think? :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 00:14, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
Nope, completely fine to read it. In actuality, the Nazims had a general of the army under their command anyway. But yeah, that sounds good.
Done! Just uploaded on my previous version. I'll tell you something, that map is probably the best I have ever made. becuase never has my map looked this good. :)
I've got a few more points, btw. Seeing as to how the Brits come over to India, I would think they would keep some "white pride" (probably at the start - some element might remain in the modern day, but I would think it would dissapear over time as they married into the locals). So I would think that they would have as many children (initially) as they could so that they could have as many white members in their family as they could. What this would do is make the Royal Family in the present day look almost-white as they would have "native" blood in them, but lighter and better looking than the average Indian. Do you intend on having a significant numbers of Brits coming over to India? Because if they do, then the Average Indian person would end up looking more Latino (as in skin tone, i.e fairer) due to the mixing as well as being significantly taller (due to food as well as European genes).
Another point. With the Royal Family in India, they would go on to realise that India would be their best bet to gain power and force in the world again. Therefore I would think they would go on to establish schools for the majority, making them learn how to write and read hindi and english, and influence their thought making process to believe they are citizens of the "Indian Empire". I would also think the Royal Family would gain a bit of intelligence and stop trying to convert people to christianity. If they would want to convert people to a faith, I would say they would try Hinduism instead (might create a new form of the religion, tell me if you would like to look into this aspect).
This would mean that India would be only slightly behind the Europeans and maybe ahead of the Sino-Japanese in terms of Education (and industrialisation).
It would also mean that contraception would be introduced to the nation earlier. Its a serious point, lol. Cause earlier education => earlier awareness => earlier contraception. This means your earlier number of 1 billion might be more correct than my 1.35/1.4 billion, lol.
I do think they would do this quicker. Maybe a Victorian-esque era in India where the Empress is Female but marries an Indian Royal (who she falls deeply in love with). They have like 10-12 kids, and then he dies (basically Albert analog), leaving her in grief for a few years. This marriage could happen in the 1840s, and she could become the first Brit royal family person to marry an Indian Royalty person.
Then most of those Kids marry Indian Royalty, while a few marry more white Royal Family members. So your Royal Family is going to be very large, lol. Although I am proposing the inter-marrying much earlier.
If I am honest, the population of India in the 1810-1850s was big, but it wasn't great. So if around 6 million whites arrive to India, by the modern day, the majority would actually be the creoles (aorund 50-60%). The "pure" Indians would be around 20-30%, while the whites would be 15-20%. Why such high white and creole numbers?
Well, we first need to look into the fact that pre-Victoria-esque we would have large amounts of white pride. In India, the whites would have been given better treatment, and so would have probably been encouraged to have like 10-15 kids (most of whom would actually survive). The Indians had that many kids too, but most of them died due to cholera and stuff. Then most of these white children would marry whites and grow in number expodentially. However, around the 1850s, a change in attidutes would take place as an ear of schools would begin to be made and the Empress would encourage intermarrying. So here we could have the creoles happening and growing in number.
However, I would feel the creoles would be Hindu as we ave often seen an arriving peoples take up local faiths and the peoples the whites would marry would be hindu. I am not sure about the muslims. If the Royal Family feel that Muslims are a threat and side with the Hindu population, then maybe only 10% of the nation might be muslim by 2010. I would think that a feeling of secularism would probably arrive in the 1940-60s, and then I would see the defender of faiths title added to the Emperor/Emperess's titles (good idea, btw).
I would think that the truely white Royals would be protestants in the modern day, and around half of the white population (around 10%) would be hindu, with the other half protestants. So the modern day religious demographics would be 80% hindu, 10% protestant and 10% muslim. A very diverse mix, and thus a good deal of secularism would be required.
I think it does seem like a very, very large version of New Britain, lol. And thank you so much for that honour, I have never actually been nominated in the Stirlings or anything. I would not object one bit. :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 12:38, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
Well, we could have a small number coming from other parts of Europe too, but that is not bad. Although I would think the 10 kids policy would be pretty popular with the Brits in India (I am not sure if they had 10 kids in the UK or not at the time). As long as the final result is the same, its all good.
I might sound dumb, but where is Aden again? And I would think the Opium Wars would still happen. The Brits were crazy about making money off of that stuff. They might set themselves up with a temp. alliance with the French to do so too.
Indeed, stronger BEIC control over India after Napoleon invades and stuff it would definately result in a much earlier rebellion. And you point on Victoria's age is completely legit and stuff. It all sounds good, lol. Industrialisation earlier does mean India is even closer to superpower status in the modern day, lol (although that would not change anything much in the timeline, I don't think).
I do think the whites would intermarry first, but I would reckon English would take prominence in the mixing European and British population due to the crown and the BEIC. I would say it would need 6-7 kids, lol.
Aden, wait, is that the capital of Yemen? Or in Oman? Because the British were in both of those states for a while. I think I remember. Well, it really depends on how you want the British to act. If they have interests in the area, sure. But if they don't, then they will not bother. Does it affect trade or the arrival of white immigrants? Then yes, they'll go for it. If not, then not really. So if fact, its actually up to you. :)
I know how you feel. My school term has also started. It was as if the Easter Holidays was like the calm before the storm, lol.
Sure! If you ever need help with the Indian page in NAV, I'm here. Btw, you could have all the greenification pojects in Australia start earlier so the country has more rainfall and hold more people. But that is not really important, lol. Australia is pretty decent as it is in your TL.
Hey buddy just to give you a heads up i have put an offer to your nation in my post as the Australian Aboriginies. I tell you as it is a large post and could be missed. Hailstormer (talk) 17:26, April 17, 2013 (UTC)
Sorry about that last turn, i was trying to think up a way where expansion could take place quickly and as a result i became implausible and a bit nutty. I have changed the turn now so that the Koor Union has not discussed or even knows about your nation, and i was hoping you could edit your current turn to reflect that. I would also like it if our emissaries could still meet in a neutral location to discuss the creation of a trade deal and potentially even an alliance so that we can secure a positive future for Australia. Hailstormer (talk) 15:49, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
Luxembourg wants to be able to propose that the whole Confederation go to war with a country. The country Luxembourg currently has in mind is Orange, to say the least.
21:31, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
But of course.
22:42, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
A possible aid in my African campaigns
I plan on invading Cyrenacia in Africa, to help establish the ability to colonize the continent. Would you care to assist, any and all aid would be rewarded. I would even cut you in on any profitable trade routes in Africa as i have a deal with Arabia for allliance and trade. we live in a changing wolrd, religious hatred is starting to die in place of business and pragmatism.Andr3w777 (talk) 16:07, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
Just to note I will also accept an alliance but I am already a leader for religious equality as Islam is much more peaceful in its political actions in this world thanks to Caliph Ali.
I have started the war, you may place your states in the algorithm. Actually, if you dont mind, can you see about getting someone to do it? I am not good at it and I am sure I've made plenty of mistakes. How many nations does it take to do a coalition and will to yeild us more points?Andr3w777 (talk) 22:32, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah a trade deal would be good. You on about Ethiopia or Italia though for the horn of Africa nation though?
And the mini-Napoleon plan involves the confederation of the Rhine nations uniting after one of there leaders becomes a military leader who forces the rest into an empire. He'll then take over a lot of Europe via mod event wars before his empire is destroyed and the remaining nations are divided between France, Netherlands and the 3 German powers. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 19:13, May 31, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah most nations would be taken over for a short while and then once the whole thing ends they re-gain independence. Also the Muslim bloc's relations with Ethiopia aren't very good. Why do you ask? VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 14:14, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
If you want a coalition war against Ethiopia I'd certainly consider it, but first I ask that your nation establishes a trading pact or something with me. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 17:07, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
- Or rather now you may want to join my own war against Ethiopia. If you join as a full coalition partner and Ethiopia doesn't manage to increase its score then we'll topple its government and you can have all of their African West coast colonies. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 18:56, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
If we cannot acheive a good status as autonomous states of the German Empire, then perhaps we can form our own German Union if things dont go well, its just a backup plan in my head right now.
Can you tell me which of your nations are doing what please so I can add them to the algorithm. Which of these nations are sending aid, which are coalition leaders, etc. Just so I can add them to the algorithm easily. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 17:39, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
If I am able to convince Viva to return Saint Thomas will you withdraw from the war? I dont wish to fight allies but with Orissa looking like it will get mauled I'm inclinced to help the defensive side. Scandinator (talk) 15:14, June 4, 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm on my phone and its easier to post here. Since I can't really find a way of keeping it, I guess you can have the colony near your own. Khmer Koch is located in southern Vietnam. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 05:25, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
The Korean Colony (and soon to be protectorate) of Karika accepts Saxonys offer of a trade agreement. Korea proper also wishes for a trade deal, and Korea proper also offers a defense alliance. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 21:23, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
I understand and hear your desire for Bali, Is there any reason per se you need it? What i can do if it is purely a colonial effort, i can land lease like China did with Hong Kong for a period of 150 years, after which it will be returned. If you absolutely need it I will give it to you, I'm just trying to start my colonization efforts, I am years late to the game so to speak.
As for the Greater German Reich, i support it as long as Bavaria and other member nations are given almost unilateral movement. The difference arises as Germany wants a more HRE like governement, while I am leaning for a more loose European Union like government. I don't want to surrender Bavarian sovreignty, but do believe that all the Germanies need to form some Greater Reich, so we can better dominate Europe and the World hehe. I want the German Recih to be more powerful than OTL, without the um, unpleasantness, of the Second World War. (As I am a German.) Brandenburg seems to have abandoned the idea, for he hasn't posted about it in some time. Ask him, if his solution doesn't work then we can form our own.Andr3w777 (talk) 12:06, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
No, Gabon is mine. But I can compensate in another way by the African territory and your colony. You keep Khmer Koch, and I will cede my territories in the Caribbean, such as Puerto Rico and Texas, as well as technological assistance in the naval field, where we are experts. In this way the Confederacy and Netherlands will be closer and friendly. Quashi (talk) 18:32, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
Could Brandenburg purchase Puerto Rico or trade it for something?
Also I'm all for a united German nation, and am willing to compromise for it.
05:38, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
Just get on the live chat later i suppose, we will just need to monitor whom is on, the question is of some importance to our two nations. And Bali will be given to you, I just forgot to mention it.Andr3w777 (talk) 09:12, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
My apolopies I will just tell you here, I fell off, a spot of gin tends to relax one. I will speak to you in German.
Entschuldigung für die Ausflucht, es ist nur ich glaube nicht, setzen uns in einem Reich mit Scraw ist eine gute Idee. Er war ein guter Verbündeter, aber er ist sehr expansive, während ich mehr interne bin, habe ich Angst, dass er das Reich zu verwenden, um uns subgigate bin. Nachdem er sein Bündnis mit Orissa brach es macht mich frage mich, ob er die Allianz mit uns brechen würde, wenn wir uns weigern. Was denken Sie? Ich kann nur sein, paranoid, aber ich möchte mein Reich zu bleiben. Wenn wir könnten eine Art loses System mit rotierenden Kaiser aus jedem Bereich, es könnte funktionieren. Ich versuche nur, um alle Basen sozusagen decken. Meine Union würde viel wie die EU funktioniert, wäre es den gegenseitigen Schutz für alle Staaten bieten, jedes Mitgliedsland kann nicht Krieg gegen die anderen ohne einen guten Zweck von der Kaiserlichen Rat weitergeleitet. Wir würden noch behalten unsere jeweiligen Empires, sondern auch eine große, wir erholen sich erweitern, solange sie nicht im Widerspruch zu einer Allianz oder früheren Bestellung durch den Kaiser sitzt sein. und mein letzter Wunsch ist, dass wenn eine Nation nicht gerne die Union, die es lebt seine Nützlichkeit, wir dürfen uns von der Union ziehen ohne Konflikte. Was sind Ihre Ideen?
India Stuff in NAV
No, um you did okay.. not too bad for a non German. I do believe our next step will be to present these ideas to the Brandenburgers. I will only accept a Union if these laws are observed, otherwise the deal is um off, i think is the English term?
As for you, the proper form for your is ihre, whereas as a simple you is Sie(formal) or ihr(informal) exmp. (Wie ist Ihre Name- What is your name?) vs (Sie trinken- You drink). Hope that helped some.
If we get him to accept I will need your help in drafting our laws and constitution, I like to go into great detail, trying to make it look real.
So, what are the plans for Greater Germany currently?
23:45, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
I would like to add an addendum to the proposal, I already sent Scraw a perliminary overview last night, i agree with majority of the what you've listed, however i feel its more eqitable to have a rotating emperorship set in five year terms, a life term is too long, and many things can happen negatively, just look at how the old HRE fell apart. Also We will have a Central Navy, but will also retain our own private navies. As for our miliatries, i agree. However i ask that for the sake of unity you drop catholicism, i dont know if you are aware, but the Pope is a puppet of the french crown, the real Papacy is gone, German Christianity is exactly the same as catholicism, only the Patriarch is free from gvernment influences, it isnt any different in rites, creed or structure. Andr3w777 (talk) 17:24, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
I do believe your right with the navies. As for Catholicism, we will declare Saxon lands as a special religous autonomous division, as we live in the age of enlightenment, it shouldn't be too hard to remain friendly, especiall since Bavaria and Saxony have been allies since before and after the reformation.Andr3w777 (talk) 20:30, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
You may overview the page and add any other useful element.
Since both my nations and yours use the Adler, Scraw wants to use his mark, citing his silver reserves and stuff, but i refuse, my money is worth a lot. I am the only nation that has a monopoly on banking in Europe, I have spices from Asia and gold and diamonds from africa. what do you think honestly?Andr3w777 (talk) 19:54, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, that section is a touch special.
There's an extra line of the template that you can add that will have the effect you desire. Have a look at the template itself and you'll see it. The one with "list" in it.
Yeah that sounds great, though I will need your help in writting that event as I am rather ignorant to the things you are talking about, and I fear my understanding of your idea isn't good enough to write a good enough mod event. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 18:22, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
I, Prussia, would ask you, both as a German state and as a current ally via the Greater Germanic Union, to guarantee my independence in the Congress of Avalon. Lithuania has asked for an alliance against me hoping to completely rob me of my independence, Brandenburg has responded by giving them an alliance which if they acted upon would completely go against the rules of the Greater Germanic Union. This alliance and guarantee would not be against Brandenburg, just against the destruction of me as Prussia. I would be grateful and would be in your debt.
There is also an offer of an alliance to take my ancestral German homeland back from Lithuania, this would not be a complete annexation but would take mainly border territories. Beyond those territories which I wish to reclaim, those lands are up for grabs to my allies. I hope you will support me there too. KunarianTALK 07:54, July 11, 2013 (UTC)
can we have a private dicussion say around 7 pm GMT/UTC on private chat? I need to discuss some things with you, maybe we can also see about trying to salvage whats left of the GGU.Andr3w777 (talk) 15:40, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
Algo is completed. Without chance, I show 164.25 vs 34. This is still rough, and I will expect the Mods to alter it around, but we are set. Declare it ASAP, so I may post it.06:24, July 25, 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry I got your nation wrapped up in this, if we loose it is completely my fault. I was led astray, lied to, told i could win and should attack, and now I may have subjected both of our nations to annhilation. I did what I felt was right, but I made a mistake, and now we are both going to suffer the fate.Trust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 22:39, July 27, 2013 (UTC)
The Catholic King of Tanimbarkai requests an alliance with you as he is tired of high Arab taxes on his Kingdom. He offers to become a German vassal in exchange for you promising that German taxes on his nation reach no higher than 10% rather than the current 30% the Arabs charge. Other than that Tanimbarkai will be your vassal to rule. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 11:29, August 9, 2013 (UTC)
I'm dismantling my empire as I am leaving the game. I'm going on my exchange year to Hong Kong soon so I really doubt I'll have time to play. Hence in these last few years I will be taking all of my gains apart into new nations and such. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 14:11, August 10, 2013 (UTC)
Okay I done my last post as Tanimbarkai so feel free to post as them now and what you want. Read over my posts to get a bit of a feel then do what you think they'd do now. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 21:48, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
Callum, Rex has been banned for two weeks on the wikia so you are not going to get a reply on Oldenburg till then. However you may have a different way of getting it. Also, for the sake of continuity in game, how about I offer a gift of gold and premium Alaskan furs, so that we can put the issue with the Faroe Islands to an end? Hailstormer (talk) 10:53, August 27, 2013 (UTC)
Hi Callum. It seems that Crim, me, and Courageous have pretty much won against Ethiopia, so I was thinking I could give you the Ethiopian Australia colony next to yours in exchange for the former Neu Mecklenburg and all the territory currently attached to it.
21:51, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
In that case, it is final! Thank you, you're welcome, and good luck! :D
23:03, September 11, 2013 (UTC)
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Would you like to join my new game - Colonial World (Map Game)
Great Britain is still open!
An EA offensive takes the French by surprise, and quickly turns into a rout. The Gallic leader and most of the government is captured in the capital, and France collapses. Each of the formerly independent nations in France are re-established, and a puppet government is established in France Proper. The new Pope Paul II solidifies his control over his former territory. The remnants of the Gallic government flee in exile to Carthage to establish an exile state ironically similar to the nation that brought them to ruin, New Berlin. They solidify control of the region by annexing the two other puppet states into the newly independent Kingdom of Carthage. The French colonial Empire dissolves with most colonies either being absorbed or declaring independence. Gallic sympathizers
that can't in any way be either fair or plausible. I've been trying to end the war in a long time, and i've not been off longer than one day. Yank is acting in a exagerated way and Biased in many ways. Sine dei gloriem (talk) 21:11, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
Miracle at Marne
Hey im just Just Curious i am actually looking for players for Miracle at marne and i was wondering if you would in fact like to Join. plenty of nations are still open, lots of possibilities etc etc. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 14:47, October 10, 2013 (UTC)
Viva La Revolution
Callum,I don't know if you were a fan of the Viva La Revolution map games but as you played as Mecklenburg Schwering in AP's version i thought you may be interested on this. Interested? If you are feel free to join as any nation. After all you had a fairly powerfull nation such as Mecklenburg became in AP's VLR.Sine dei gloriem (talk) 15:33, October 15, 2013 (UTC)
Hi Callum, how are you? You may have seen that i have rejoined PMII as England, and i have the intention of forming the United Commonwealth, a republican version of the United Kingdom. In doing this, i have a wish to bring the Faroe Islands under the control of the British republic. Now for obvious reasons i have no colonies or land to offer, and in our previous discussions involving the Faroes you have stated that resources are not enough. So i can only offer a promise that if the Reich ever needs aid, regardless of the situation, that the Commonwealth will be there, and that you will have my sincere thanks. Your thoughts? Hailstormer (talk) 17:05, October 15, 2013 (UTC)
No way they make him the king. He'd need a claim to the throne, and he had none whatsoever. His wife would not be considered for the role, being female (especially with a weak claim and no other reasons for it) nor would his children (age)
Him having royal blood is more or less irrelevant. The religion helps, but very little.
Prussian or not matters less, too - even a Bavarian looking like they would become king would probably spark a Franco-German War. And, for that matter, the guy otl was in fact not Prussian, and only very distantly related to the Prussian royals. Come to think of it, the "offer" of that nobleman otl was really not an offer anyway - man did not really want to go. An empty gesture, more than anything, designed to spark war.
While it is certainly possible for someone else to be given that crown, that prince would not be them.
Are you available presently?
Sorry for the late reply - been hectic.
Yeah, the file database has been slow the last few weeks. It just took a long time for the new version to show up.
If it happens again, just chalk it up to that and give it a few days.
I'm sorry, need you this time
I am transwiki-ing the Congress of Vienna map game (we played that, remembered?) to Map Game Wiki. I need a better version of the European Map. Thanks.
Regards, Laptop Zombie 09:53, February 14, 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, I forgot to tell you. We're starting from 1826 (after Congress of Geneva) so that map won't work.
Regards, Laptop Zombie 11:18, February 14, 2014 (UTC)
Remember when we had to resolve Icelandic and Ottoman disputes? Every European came together in Geneva. It's in 1826.5, at Congress of Geneva (Congress of Vienna Map Game).
Regards, Laptop Zombie 11:25, February 14, 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I couldn't help but notice that you needed some help with Latin. As a speaker of Latin I figured I'd help. For your motto, trying to use similar word choice, I would recommend "Renatus per aspera". That's renascor (I am reborn) in the perfect participle form (revived/reborn), with per taking the accusative of asperum (in the plural), which means "through adversities/difficulties. If you don't want it to be plural just change it to asperum, although keep in mind that in the singular it translates more closely to "rough/difficult landscape". Anyway, I hope that helps. Let me know if you need any other translations. Mscoree (talk) 23:01, February 23, 2014 (UTC)
Hi. I don't know if you saw, but I responded to you on the note you left under my post for 1457. Also, my heir dies in 1458, so what will Louise do? You married her in, did she die yet or is she still alive? Just wondering. Blocky858 (talk) 17:27, March 30, 2014 (UTC)
In the war, it's Crim vs. Feud right now in how the algo is going. As far as I know, Feud might not have even said anything, but Tr0llis is making a big fuss about it. Do you support a balanced 30 vs 32 in our favor or an 18 vs 104 in the rebels favor? Also, we have Venice on our side now. Blocky858 (talk) 22:12, April 17, 2014 (UTC)
Regarding My Coastal Cities
I know you asked about where I am getting my navy and such at a while ago, I forgot about it until now. Scandinavia sold me two port cities, (Well, sold me one, and gave me the other), one is in Holstein, and the other is in Bremen. I am also receiving a larger coast line as he sells me land soon. I hope this clears things up. Blocky858 (talk) 23:30, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
RE:RE: Regarding my coastal cities
Well I know I got one from a land purchase a while ago... I also got one through one of the treaties that ended one of those major wars between the HRE and the UNC and Russia. I am also buying land right now, as I said. Blocky858 (talk) 02:30, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
Coat of Arms of India in Napoleon's Australian Victory
Hi! How have you been?
I was checking out some timelines and I came upon yours. I saw your India article, and I loved the coat of arms, which would really work for my timeline. I asked Imp if I could swipe it, and he told me to ask you. So I'd like to ask you if I could use that coat of arms for my own timeline? Fed (talk) 23:33, May 10, 2014 (UTC)
Hi. I noticed that you were exploring/claiming Labrador in PMIII. I'm playing as the Natigosteg L'nu, and this is my major area of interest, so I was hoping we could come to an agreement over a basic division of Labrador/Northern Quebec when/if you colonize it. I'm as far north as OTL Happy Valley-Goose Bay and have colonies on the Ungava Peninsula, just to give you some understanding of where reasonable borders might fall. If you're not planning on colonizing Labrador, please disregard this.Krasnoyarsk (talk) 21:21, May 16, 2014 (UTC)
Our Joint-Outpost In Africa
RE:RE: Our Joint Post in Africa
With the recent acquisition of Bremen, I am buying 200 ships off the Hungarians from the Venezian fleet, so I will start moving west possibly into Greenland, and I will also begin sending more people and supplies to my side of the post (Which I have named Neu Bruchhausen). I hope we can expand the post. Also, I hope there are no bad feelings between our countries over the war with Hamburg? Also, do you know when the outpost was established? Blocky858 (talk) 01:18, May 17, 2014 (UTC)
RE:RE:RE: Our Joint Post In Africa
Thanks for complimenting the name. Thanks for the information on the post as well. I understand you sending supplies as well. You can use Neu Lippe any time too. I like to put my colonies on my nation page in my colonies section, so I was just wondering where the outpost was because I wanted to find the average temperature and all that good stuff, and also make a map for it. Do you have any clue where the outpost is roughly, or is it a mystery? Blocky858 (talk) 02:59, May 17, 2014 (UTC)Blocky858 (talk) 03:39, May 17, 2014 (UTC)
PMIII Mod page
Hey do you mind voting on the PMIII mod page over the thing that was proposed. its at the very bottom thanks in advance
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Regarding Student Chairman,
Chairman Sky and I are going to replace Student Chairmen Scar, and you are one of two candidates to replace him. Would you accept the position? (The other candidate is Monster Pumpkin) Blocky858 (talk) 01:22, July 2, 2014 (UTC)
The recent map was made actually by Swankyg. I however added: 1) Dutch Sunda and Dutch expansion in Guinea 2) Fusahito expansion in Japan 3) Roman completely controlling Sinai and Bermuda 4) Expansion by |onte 5) Madagaskira becoming Spanish vassal 6) Brought back New Zealand, Hawaii, New Caledonia etc which had disappeared 7) Added Malay to the map
You may check the previous version and you will notice that the Marrikuwuyanga expansion was not done by me.
Hello Callumthered According to the map, Cape York is under the control of Marrikuwuyanga but according to you, Marrikuwuyanga can only expand as far as the territory of Arnhen and Fitzmaurice, so could it be possible for the map to be fixed?
Because I have expanded literally 2800px from which Swankyg made that coastal layer, but according to you; that 2800px are supposed to fill the Arnhem and Fitzmaurice areas
Also, according to the Mod Events; Cape York is being constantly attacked by tribes from the Torres Straits Islands but according to the map; both the Torres Strait Islands and Cape York are under my control (The latest mod event however says a popular warrior took over the islands)
So should I ignore the mod events because the map is wrong or should I respond to the attacks? Because the mod events also show that the tribes from the Torres Strait Islands are somewhat slowly becoming technologically advanced by stealing weapons during the raids but that is only possible if Cape York is controlled by Marrikuwuyanga (We are the only nation to have a stable monarchy, economy, and have firearms) but according to you, the map is wrong so please fix this mess
-------/------- Another thing is that could it be possible for the map PMIII map to show other tribes as well instead of being black because that way, I'll be able to ally with certain tribes and help them dominate an area. This would cause many strong states to emerge at Australia who I could befriend and sort of form a Coalition to fight against any aggressor.. somewhat like the Indian League just to keep the Dutch, British, Spanish, Roman, French etc in check so they don't expand too much in Australia that the tribes are threatened. While I know that the Marrikuwuyanga themselves are a miracle and a centralized government under the Aborigines rarely formed, I believe that because the state of Marrikuwuyanga however has formed, the formation if other centralized states is now much easier RexImperio (talk) 07:41, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
I know they can get lost in the wall of text, so I just wanted to let you know that I sent you a diplomacy on your most recent turn. Please read it when you get a chance. Thanks, Mscoree (talk) 23:52, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
Royal Marriage Proposal
Hi, I'm contacting all the major nations in Europe in PM3 to tell you about some royal marriage proposals available this turn, for three different royal families. On my turn there are currently fifteen people who are looking for a spouse, simply reply to my turn as soon as you can to reserve a person. I will be looking over the proposals to try to avoid incest (although a little incest never killed nobody haha), and if you'd like to see family relations yourself, feel free to check out this page, where the family tree is located. If you would like further information or my recommendations for a particular person, message me back with your available children and their ages and I will get back to you as soon as possible. Thanks, Mscoree (talk) 15:43, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
Hi Callum! How have you been doing lately?
Listen, I've got to ask you a favour and see if you could answer a few questions about Aussie history for my timeline, In Frederick's Fields. Would you be up for doing so? Thanks! Fed (talk) 22:26, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! I've been doing quite well, just got back from a trip in fact.
My main question revolves around whether it is possible to prevent Australian confederation with a POD in the 1870s. Are the colonies tied together too closely by them, or is it possible to break them apart?
Also, is it possible to prevent the near-annihilation of the Aborigines and the White Australia Policy by then, or is it already too entrenched in politics of the colonies?
I was thinking of having closer Anglo-German relations starting in the lead to less fearmongering from an outside power, which might make the states less fond of banding together. By the 1920s, the Polynesian tri-condominium is established between the three major powers, and Australia is absolutely safe from outside incursion, because of its surrounding in all sides by allied naval forces and it's distance from any enemies.
Hm, would it be at all possible to have a weaker confederation that, after the 1920s, devolves because of a lack of pressure into a more EU-like organisation?
As for the Aborigines, would it be possible, if their marginalisation is not possible, for them to be given patches of land in bad parts of the country and given wide autonomy there a la the American Indian reservations? Fed (talk) 03:14, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
Re:Scottish Union Jack
I appreciate your concern over duplicating, but from my end I think you would've been in the clear. Your last duplication appears to have been back in June or July, and had you duplicated I would've simply given you another warning.
But from my end, it does appear that the file you requested is not on this site. I've gone ahead and uploaded it for you.
Re-Establishment of Formal Relations
Ever since the Hessian Wars many years ago, our two nations have been awkwardly in a diplomatic deadlock with nothing going on. With the much more open Wilhelm VI's reforms finally taking place, we would like to extend a formal request at a re-establishment of relations between Oldenburg and Westphalia. Do you accept? Blocky858 (talk) 07:27, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
RE:RE: Re-establishment of formal relations
Hi, Callum. On the topic of the HRE, it's been mighty decimated by Bohemia's, Switzerland's, and my own secession. However, most of Hamburg remains imperial, as well as Frankfurt and Nassau, but other than that the HRE is not much. Come on chat if you want to discuss more. Cookiedamage (talk) 00:11, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
New map game
Also, please take a look at the algorithm and give your opinions.
I'll be pleased to welcome you. Please join, I believe that your map game experiences would be a valuable addition to my map game. Can you please also invite other people to join?
Note that Bavaria is still open, will control those states that you used to control in the older map game (the SGAS), and, at your request could be reserved indefinitely for you.
Please reply soon, as the game starts this Monday.
Regards, Laptop Zombie 10:00, November 1, 2014 (UTC)
PS I revised the rules, it will start in 1816.
I was talked to Ms, and proposed to him that, since its just you, me, and Ms' rump state left in the HRE, that we reorganize the HRE into a mere defensive alliance, essentially disbanding it. What do you say?
You have not replied to my previous post, so I assume that you didn't noticed it.
I am restarting the old Congress of Vienna. Bavaria, your favourite nation, is still up for grab. It does control all other German states except for Hanover, Holstein, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Baden, Wurttemberg, the two Hesses and Saxony. All of those states under Bavarian influence are organised under the SGAS.
I could reserve Bavaria for you indefinitely at your request.
Regards, Laptop Zombie 16:54, November 4, 2014 (UTC)
In the Triple Entente vs Central Powers map game, you offered a closer relations with my player, Chile in 1910.0. Appreantly I just noticed now the post and I haven't been able to reply. Can you make report the offer again so that I won't miss request?
Remember this word includes A RAT.
Would you allow me to post for you in PM3? I don't really have a nation at the moment, and would be fine with pasting your turn and what not. Let me know what you think, Tr0llis (talk) 02:56, November 22, 2014 (UTC)
Too young - Albert would have been 11ish at that time. Though he would be a good candidate to replace Otto on the Greek throne.
If Leopold is in the UK, you'd see another choice aligned with the UK to the same degree get the Belgian throne. No idea at this time as to who. Would not be from the UK royal house, though.
Heinrich would be very unlikely to have made such moves. Would not have had any support from the people.
Dutch were not blockaded. Army size, rather moot - same general size as the Belgian one. Tiny. Japanese and Aussies would take the lead in the East, Dutch able to do little.
Dutch joining the Germans in too close a capacity - as stated, not happening - would drive the Belgians to the Entante anyway.
This is really weird, I was just about to message you that I saw progress in NAV and I was wondering what you had got planned hahaha.
Yea, I'll most definitely have a look. I am more than just vaguely interested in the page, and I am sure you have done an excellent job with it. I am glad I inspired you to write it lol and I would love to see what happens from all this in your world. Imp (Say Hi?!) 09:04, January 21, 2015 (UTC)
Right, so I finally managed to get round to trying to make some proposals for the Indian flag in NAV. I got two here.
Tell me if you like either on of them, or if something should be different. Or, if you would just prefer a darker version of the flag we already have in place. :) Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:25, February 15, 2015 (UTC)
If I'm honest, the exact same thing happened to me with the blue flag. Well, I am not exactly sure why I went for blue but it looked quite nice, especially with the version with the flag's background being all saffron, as shown here. I also got the darker version as requested.
So have your pick lol. The saffron and blue does kinda look like perhaps something along the lines of an Anglo-Dutch union. So perhaps if you like (now I know you already have a flag for Van Damien's Land) you could use it to represent Van Damien's Land - although I won't mind if you prefer the current flag. Do tell me if any of these strike your fancy. :) Imp (Say Hi?!) 01:39, February 16, 2015 (UTC)
The green one as in the fourth proposal? Haha I had no idea, tbh, because I only used the Indian colours instead of the already existing shades of green and orange, giving us proposal 4. But thank you! It's good to know that you feel it is more suited to it that the current placeholder lol. Yea, I have no problem with what you are saying - it would get quite confusing. No problem about the flags lol, as long as they do the purpose.
Hey, no problem about the infobox! Sorry, I didn't notice the comment about it the last time lol. I also replied to the whole Gatsby think on the British Spring talkpage.
Btw, I was looking into the information already on the India page, and looking at military in particular. You already mentioned that your military information is very haphazard, so I looked into what you had said for the other nations. Now as Russia, France and Sino-Japan all maintain the 3 largest armies in the world, I think India would comfortably move into the fourth spot in terms of army size. I also think (as India did inherit most of the former British naval power) that India would have grown to become the second largest naval power in the world as their navy does have to guard quite a lot of regions in the world (second after France). Their merchant navy, too, could probably be rivalling that of France's (although France would still have the largest merchant navy by far). I am not sure about airforce, however, and that is something you would have to look into.
I was also having a look at the country of Sumatra and then I realised that I didn't know what regions on the map it took up. I also saw there was the diaspora state of the Dutch Republic of the East Indies, which meant the region had two nations. I made a map to ask you if what is coloured on are the two countries. The Red is Sumatra and Orange is the DEI. If you could tell me whether the countries are actually as I have put them on the map as or not, that would be great lol. It would help with the whole history of India and the British there.
I was also wondering if you would mind if I started up a proposal page for the Britannic Commonwealth/Britannic Confederation? It would be under the proposal heading and everything but it would help to establish an overall picture for all the British states. I was also wondering if the BC would be given India's seat on the permanent security council of the FN after Britain joined as a member state? Or would India keep the seat due to the fact the Confederation/Commonwealth isn't centralised enough? I also think that the BC would have one currency for all the states, the Commonwealth Pound or something. What do you think? :) Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:00, February 16, 2015 (UTC)
Well, even though India may be the larger country, Russia has always had quite a large military. Therefore I think Russia having the third largest army in the world makes sense to me, with India coming in at a close fourth. They would indeed, and almost immediately focus on making the existing small ports into military bases from which they can operate ships from. Oh for sure. They would sail outta Britain with as many people as they could right after they got wind that the navy had been defeated. So it would allow the British to sort of run their empire even after they had lost Britain to the French. Plus, with the British fleet centered in India in the 1830s, the French would never manage to get much of a hold in the region at all. No need for a radio lol. General word of mouth and rumours (mainly rumours, let's be honest here) would do the trick.
Right ok, that makes sense haha. Yea, some maps for the region might be useful lol.
Awesome. If I can find the time to spare, I'll be sure to get right on it hahaha. I actually find the Britannic Monarchy page very interesting, and I did intend to base a lot of things from there lol. I did too, much more as well. Especially with the fact there are no Republics in it (compared to OTL where India is in it, but is a republic and all). I thought it would actually be a step up from the EU, with the BC having a joint military command structure and relatively even economic policies. It is the joint parliament which is a bit of a sticker for me, mainly because I'm not exactly sure how all the other nations run lol. I think there would still be some time before the BC would get the seat, and it would have to centralise a bit more, but I think perhaps it could happen in a couple years perhaps?
I am not too great on economics either haha. I think Sumatra would have most likely stuck with the Rupee. In OTL, the Gulf States used to use the Rupee until the 60s because India began to de-evalutate it. I don't see a need for Sumatra to ever change its currency. I know what you mean with all the other states using the same currency. I think something like the Britannic Currency Unit would be a good idea, with the smaller states of St Helena and VDL maintaining their own currencies, which are weaker, thus allowing for greater investment into their nations while not having to be tied down under the whole "one currency" thing. I think it would be a good idea, although I would suggest that perhaps Sumatra and India could perhaps both use the Rupee/Pound as their currency.
We were indeed, bordering on two messages per day haha! Nah, no problem lol. The Great Gandy haha, it would be quite the interesting piece of literature. I guess either would work but Bombay is like the trading hub on the west coast and all lol. :) Imp (Say Hi?!) 03:33, February 17, 2015 (UTC)
Yea, rumours indeed lol. Thank you, although my language is really shabby so I would have to work on that later on haha. The thing with the India page is we have already done the hard work and we know what happens when. The last remaining thing that has to be done is to write it all into the article.
Yea, I had seen the Philippines as a part of Sino-Japan and I wondered what their story was. Yes, they would have been "inherited" but whether they got it would be another issue. What I see here is that the islands could not belong to the British. I state this because if the islands had in fact belonged to the East India Company, then it would have never fallen to Sino-Japan in the first place. Plus, if the British had taken it, especially after The Fall then they would very well be over-extending themselves (especially before most of the British fleet made it to India). But even if they had, then Sino-Japan would never have been able to. The reason? Naval power. The Royal/Imperial Navy would have defeated any Sino-Japanese fleet easily, and it doesn't matter how many men Sino-Japan had - if they couldn't get the troops to the front they could not win the islands. I think the more likely options are either 1 or 3, and although I doubt how much naval power the French could actually exert in the region, I would be more inclined to believe it would likely be some sort of French protectorate.
Now its interesting you bring up the occupation of Java, actually. Java in NAV is under the Dutch Republic of the East Indies, correct? Therefore, the question would be why would the Company ever give it back to the Dutch if they occupy it, especially after the Dutch remain under French rule? The solution I see to the problem is that the British East India Company reaches some sort of trade agreement or deal (these are companies we are talking about, looking for profit) with the Dutch East Indies Company, making the latter into some sort of franchise or associate. What I can then see happening is that this can actually allow for the DREI to exist eventually, but the nation would be very close to India - perhaps an associate member of the Britannic Commonwealth. This is mainly due to the fact for most of its history (perhaps even til the present day) they will end up being a protectorate of India, more so than after the Asia-Pacific War as they rely on a bigger state to safeguard their safety. This means they would keep all their institutions, but they would be involved in the joint-military and economic plans (as well as the social side of it somewhat) that the other states of the BC would be involved in. You could perhaps think of it something along the lines of the Philippines after 1898 or something, except if the Philippines remained dependent on the US til the modern day due to a much greater threat of the Japanese Empire.
I changed the Rupee to the Commonwealth Pound on the India page lol. I'll change it back (or do you think the Rupee may never exist and perhaps the "Indian Pound" may be the currency of India?). Yea, definitely tied to India's currency in some way.
I think we are looking at something along those lines for the BC. Although I think the military would be more unified than NATO (have the same ranks for all the armed forces and such), even though their uniforms may differ. We have already discussed economic policy so we know how that functions (pretty similar to the EU). I actually think a commonwealth parliament is a good idea, and it could actually act as a higher governing house for all the states. So like each of the member nations would have the "House of Commons", but there would be one "House of Lords" for the whole commonwealth. The House of Lords would only also become involved in legislature if the law proposed in one country affects the others (such as military, economy or something major), otherwise each individual country's "House of Commons" could decide its laws and stuff. If you think having the DREI as a part of the BC could work, then its "Staatholder" would do the same job as the House of Commons. I think the members for this "House of Lords" would most likely have to be elected I think.
Yea, that seems to make sense for the Philippines. A massively superior airforce capable of transporting its troops to the front in heavy numbers while keeping them safe in the air - which can only happen if a) You have air superiority and b) If your airforce has a significant advantage over the enemy's airforce; both of which I cannot see S-J as having. So an eventual French protectorate it is lol.
Really? That is pretty cool lol. Yea, that is the most logical course of action I would think. Yea, I definitely think they would have, especially with many who must have fled the region after the fall of Britain. If you can work out the small things with the whole Boers sailing to the East Indies, then I think it is a great idea haha. First of all, some sort of deal would have to be made by the Boers and the French, with India possibly mediating and offering transportation of the Boers to the East Indies. Perhaps the French could agree to pay the Boers - so they emigrate to the East Indies with a bit of money. I also think many Dutchmen from Europe would migrate to the nations - and although it may not be on the same scale as emigration from Britain, I thought that most of the Flemish community may actually decide to migrate to the East Indies, freeing themselves on "Wallonian dominion" (even though they are all part of France). This could be followed by many from OTL Netherlands emigrating too, although as I said before I doubt it would be on the same scale as the British emigration. I agree with the observers being sent to the Britannic Parliament. Their powers and rights will have to be looked into however.
Cal, my friend, they will play cricket. XD
Which reminds me, have you been keeping up with Australia in the World Cup? They did hammer England so you must have heard about that lol. I agree, it would be simplest in those countries to view it as the third and uppermost house. I was thinking about that, and I think smaller countries will have to be given more representatives so their interests were not overlooked I think. I think precisely worded guidelines would be a must. Yea, I think military and economy would both fall under the juristiction of this House of Parliament. The main question that arises, however, is where to base this Parliament? :) Imp (Say Hi?!) 03:03, February 19, 2015 (UTC)
I actually really like the idea, tbh. It is only making it plausible which becomes the real sticking point. But you can have all that happens with the Boers based on "butterflies" so i think you have a way to make this work lol. I think some external mediation would most definitely be required for the Boers to get out of Africa. If they can get a bit of money for the lands they sell off to go to Indonesia - even better. Precisely, with the Flemish likely being more annoying than normal Dutchmen. That is why I can see a "Flanders' Town" in like the cities of the Dutch East Indies - seeing as how the Flemish culture is slightly different and all that lol.
Woah, man, that is unlucky lol. That is unlucky again, seems like you can't get a break. ;) Although tbh, Australia will (or should) thump Bangladesh lol.
Exactly, Britain went out for me the moment I realised they don't have London under their control. Edinburgh isn't symbolic enough or close enough to any of the other states in the BC and it cannot really be in India. If I am honest, then Sri Lanka seems to be the preferrable option, mainly because it is in a much more central position in terms of all the BC states. It is close enough to India to show that India has a lot of influence, but far enough to show they are not dominated by just the one state. This may change once I make a map for the BC, but it seems to be Lanka for me lol. :) Imp (Say Hi?!) 12:35, February 19, 2015 (UTC)
Well I think it really was me this time lol. Had prelims to do so I really could not devote any time to the website!
Glad to know you agree with Sri Lanka lol, although the island would most likely be called Lanka in this tl, with the north part of the Tamil state in India and the south being the seperate state of Singhala. I think the parliament building would most likely be situated in Columbo and would be quite close to the regional governmental buildings.
Yea that map looks really good, ngl. I quite like how the colours help to accurately show both sides in the engagement and so it makes it easier for readers to see who is who, ya know?
Hahaha I think they could be inspiring haha. Well it would most certainly have to be lol, but I think this was the case in OTL just because of the initial attitudes of the company and perhaps not as much as the royal family. I was wondering what your thoughts were on the "Fladers' Town" idea I had - if you think it had any merit. :) Imp (Say Hi?!) 10:09, March 6, 2015 (UTC)
Concerning Westphalia in PM3
So word has reached the mods and myself, acting as a mod representative, that Ms has offered you to have Westphalia now that he's banned.
All of the mods, including MP and Andrew, have agreed that such an action is implausible, ASB, and meta, and we ask that you refrain from carrying out Ms's offer and leave Westphalia to NPC status.
As a further note, MP has stated that the nations of banned players do not fall into ruin solely because of their player's status. So in this case, Westphalia remains perfectly fine, with an effective government and monarchy, despite Ms being banned. This also makes it even more implausible for all Westphalia to be ceded to another sovereign nation. A working, stable country just doesn't fall into the decisive authority of another country.
Anyways, thanks for hearing us out, and we only do this to prevent the introduction of mod events that will effectively ruin Westphalia and damage the game further. This is no attempt to curb your power as Oldenburg or to make your playing experience unfun because of any bias.
Just noticed this. Just so you know Callum (and Cookie), Westphalia was slated to be united with Hamburg in the near future. Instead Ms had made it quite clear that he wants that royal marriage and subsequent personal union to fall to Oldenburg. This was going to happen whether he got banned or not, I saw the talks he had with Nk after their union was to end. I see no reason why it would be implausible, ASB, or meta for a pretty much OTL (see Maria Theresa) succession to occur. Tr0llis (talk) 04:15, February 28, 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for getting back to me,
I'm glad that you understand the whole ASB-ness of the situation. And yeah, it's totally possible for you to pursue a royal-match with any of the German countries if you so wish. Like you said, you've had a virtual republic/regency council for the past century or so, so any PU that you desire would require you to put a royal family on the throne. Or you could elect a foreign King or Queen to rule outside Oldenburg as well.
I, playing as Bavaria, am open for a PU if you wish, and I think Hamburg is as well. So you can always send me a diplomatic offer whenever. If you do decide to try a royal-marriage/PU with Westphalia, you'd probably be at the mercy of a mod-response, since it's most likely going to remain NPC for the time being. I'll pay attention to your diplomatic offers to Westphalia so I can alert the mods if you pursue any PU with them.
Anyways, tl;dr: It's totally possible for you to try to PU with Westphalia or any of the other countries you mentioned, however with Westphalia you'd have to wait for a mod response due to its NPC status.
I'm not sure if you're aware, but I (Algonquia) and Reme recently defeated and annexed Arcadia. Sadly, Reme has proven unable to administer part of its portion of Arcadia, leading to a revolt, which I recently put down, giving me effective control of the territory. I'd like a friendlier country to hold that land, so I was wondering if Oldenburg would be interested in assuming control of it, perhaps for a token price. Given your strong ties with Britannia, you seem like a good candidate to hold the land, without actually giving it back to Brittannia (which I'd rather avoid). The area I'm discussing roughly corresponds to OTL New Brunswick, and possibly Nova Scotia. Let me know if you're interested. Shikata ga nai! 21:59, May 17, 2015 (UTC)
Hi, so I saw your dip post under Hamburg's post, and I just wanted to assure you that under a united Germany, you will definitely maintain your culture, society, and autonomy. This includes any internal organizations and local military as well.
What I want for a united germany is an overarching federal gov't, with a single currency and top-level armed forces. I made a doc for me and guy, and if you want to check it out, give me your email and I can share with you. Thanks.Cookiedamage (talk) 19:45, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, your idea for a military is much more sensical. Ms had a similar idea earlier in the game, but it didn't really work out. Check the doc for my comments as well as fixed/amended maps. Cookiedamage (talk) 15:24, June 6, 2015 (UTC)
Treaty of Brunswick + Misc.
So I took all of our ideas for a United Germany and put them in the Treaty of Brunswick: http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Treaty_of_Brunswick_(Principia_Moderni_III_Map_Game)
The treaty forms as a de-facto/interim constitution for a future United Germany, and by signing, you agree to be apart of the country come 1895.
Also, a bunch of us (me, guy, MP, crim, sky) hang out on a facebook chat and talk pm3 stuff most of the time. If you want to join the chat, put your facebook on the German Unification doc.
Crete is colored the same as the Knights of St. John beacuse Genoa gifted it to them after the capture of Venice. Prince Octavian , of Jerusalem, Sicily, and Swabia, and Duke of Amalfi.
Do you think you could come onto chat some time to talk about the new Pope? I just wanna go over some basic things like thoughts for his name and what policies you would like me to pursue. Obviously these may change as time goes on, but I'd like to know some degree of where I'm starting from.
I would like to bring to your notice an issue I have faced in the Map Game. It is a step by step issue so I will just quickly list the points.
- Recently, I was given a revolt that somehow split my Empire into two. Simultaneously, another Mod Event stripped me of my vassals. I immediately posted a complaint against the two Mod Events on the Talk Page but have yet to recieve any response from the Moderators in regards to my complaint. I have spoken to a few Mods on chat regarding the Event and my complaint, namely Edge, Sky, Rex and Josh and none of them have answered my questions or concerns, primarily because they had nothing to do with the revolt. The Complaint is posted here if you would like to check. http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Principia_Moderni_IV_(Map_Game)#Rimp_2
- Now, if they had nothing to do with the revolt, then who did? Nathan1123. When I had asked the Mods how they could justify the revolts, they all stated that it was Nathan who advocated giving me the revolt. Nathan is the player for the Abbasid Caliphate in PM4 and borders me. What he just did is not only cheating but he also violated a Moderator Rule by exercising his Mod powers in a region where he has vested interests. Most notably, he invaded me the very same turn I got these revolts which means that he had pre-planned an invasion of my nation to coincide with the revolt. What makes it further worse is that Nathan informed his ally, Bozistanball who plays as the Ottomans that I would be getting negative events so both of them jointly coordinated this attack against me. This is metagaming to the utmost level and also shows that Nathan has been sharing information in regards to Mod Events with normal players. In the link above where I have posted my complaint, you will find screenshots that were taken to serve as evidence.
- Last but not least, the algorithm. By splitting my nation into two, my population was reduced to 26 million. With me getting invaded by Nathan and Bozistan from the West and the Uzbeks in the North, this practically puts my nation at the risk of death. As per the algorithm rules, I can raise roughly about 520,000 men. Of these 520k, I sent 350k to defend Mosul and 80k to defend against the Ottoman attack. Nathan argues that I can't raise so many troops (I even have a Army Concentration) and that I can only use 50% of my army to fight. What should I make of this? I am being told that I can only use 50% of my army when I am facing multiple revolts and invasions? I brought up this issue with SkyGreen as well and asked him to lock the algorithm because I would prefer a neutral Mod doing the algorithm. At the moment, the Algorithm displays what Nathan put in and he reduced my armies size by a lot. The second issues that goes side by side with this is that Nathan and Bozi are invading me. Nathan signed an alliance with my rebels as well, so they are attacking me too. Hes asking Russia to invade me as well.. Yet, my only ally, Bahamani is being told that they cannot intervene in this war and them participating would be implausible. Quite frankly, all of these issues are a bit too much to bear for me. The one final thing the Mods haven't done to screw me over is giving the rebels a Great General. Other than that, I don't know whats left...
13:38, August 26, 2016 (UTC)
As you know, Rhodes may fall to the Ottomans very soon. As such, to give you a refuge, we propose to host you in Sweden, the Kalmar Union, where the fight against the Pagans (Finns and Lappish) would continue. AM, the King of the Banat (talk) 22:08, August 30, 2016 (UTC)
Well I suppose if anyone is to take up the mantle it might as well be a plausible player like yourself. I am not able to reform the college at this exact moment but I should have it up for you tonight. Alternatively, if you want to just declare a new Pope rather than hold up that aspect of the game I wouldn't mind (You could even make him die after a turn or two and hold a proper election).
In any case, Rome is yours. Make good use of it, and let me know if there is anything I can bring you up to speed on.
I was just wondering if I could marry a "niece" or daughter of the pope in marriage to the King and in exchange have a Cardinal or two made for Portugal. Just post in your turn the name of her and the diplomacy to Portugal. Thanks Prince Octavian , of Jerusalem, Sicily, and Swabia, and Duke of Amalfi.
I was wondering, as Edge is departing, would you be willing to be full mod in Americas? We can get a new lictor easy enough.
Spanish Portugese War and Oct's meta nonsense
So I have already talked to Josh and Nate who are in agreement with me. This is going to be lengthy so be warned.
Basiclly I am sure you have seen that Oct and I have gone to war. It started because a mod event gave Oct a claim to Morocco, and he was also attempting to block Iberian trade and exploration. A treaty was created to avoid said war, and I will admit I misread it and signed it. Before the treaty was ratified by all signatories however, I noticed the term I disagreed with, and removed it. I made no attempt to hid this fact. Fastforward a day and Oct no longer agrees with the treaty. War happens, and when Oct was asked to give his manpower and numbers, he gave deflated numbers. I ignored these and gave him his max under the algo. He changed them later and the calculation was redone with his deflated number. The problem with this is that under the way the algo works, the larger the difference in score the more severe the casualties. So because Oct only sent 10 ships to meet nearly 400, Over half of the Castillian fleet was destroyed. Note that this wasn't via mod intervention or great admiral (In fact Castile had the Burgundian Great Admiral on there side), this was a clear attempt to game the system and make my casualties higher. When I confronted Oct himself on the issue, he simply says its tactical, and even taunted me in chat that my army had been decimated by his "advance force" of 500 men. Now its not 100% impossible, victories of that magnitude have happened in history. But this events are few and far between, and often have other excerbating factors in the conflict. So I confronted Nate and Josh, who concured with me this is an extreme example of metagamming.
Now you are getting roped into this because Oct said he was going to confront you on it since you are the "voice of reason" (even tho the other mods are against his side). Anyway there is more to this argument but that is the crux of it. If you have any questions or want more details feel free to reach me #BRINGBACK THESQUIRREL 05:50, September 17, 2016 (UTC)
Sorry to make two posts like ths on your page in the span of 2 days. I have been invaded by Italy and France, and given that the Pope is Spainsh and the Spanish sent a royal Guard unit to the Pope, I was wondering if you would be willing to condem this war against Spain. #BRINGBACK THESQUIRREL
Request your support
The tides have been turning against my ban in PM4, and so far, I have two mods who are willing to repeal it. I wanted to know if I could request your support as well. Please? I would be ever so grateful. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 11:39, September 29, 2016 (UTC)
Great suggestion about the wombats. I never knew they grew quite that large. Currently, as you know, I was raising them as a sort of pig counterpart, but maybe it could be upgraded. Now, the reason I was trying to breed kangaroo as quaduped was for a more formal cavalry, to replace the lack of horses or mules. I'd really hope there was some closer equine counterpart on the australian continent that wasn't extinct at this time, but every source I can find keeps pointing to the marsupials. Well, at least the wombats can help me make the wheel earlier for now.
As for the religion, it's not really going to be monotheistic per se, but more taking supremacy of one god (Ngintaka) over all others (like Olorun in African traditionalism or the Jade Emperor in Taoism). Ultimately, I'm going to develop it into a formalized ethno-traditional religion similar to Hinduism or Chinese traditionalism (although I guess the Abrahamic inspiration bled through :p ). At any rate, I'll definitely be open and tolerant to protection and trade with colonial nations (when they come in like 300 years), but hopefully by that time I'll be both urbanized and formalized enough to not be wiped out like OTL Aborigines, either culturally or ethnically. Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess 02:09, September 30, 2016 (UTC)
About the events in the Papal States
Talk on chat with me about it.
P.S: The main port of Rome is Civitavecchia, not Ostia. Ostia is no more.
So your the Pope and you have mentioned a couple of times you want Greenland colonised by the Christians, well the Scandianvians aren't doing great right now, if you were to ask as the Pope for the English to have a crack it I would settle a colony and bring some missionaries along? Person67 (talk) 13:06, October 8, 2016 (UTC)
Recent strikes on Austtalia
I assume I have I have been placed under some sort of "watched players" category, from the frequency of recent strikes, and that fills me with remorse. I hope I am not distracting from any other players that also require attention, because I feel most of these strikes now are misunderstandings. Im trying to describe the actions of my civilization from in-game perspective, without cluttered with ooc discliamers like "...but Im not at x development yet".
My written language is a proto pictographic language. Not expressive enough for regular use in decrees or laws, but conveys enough information for the use of trade and religious mysteries (basically just keeping track of what is being traded or what sacrifices are made). The monarch is an apointed official or custodian of each city. Higher than chieftain (because of the affinity to the polis and not tribes), but definitely not a king (such centralization I dont plan for a long time). Thats why I made a new term (bakan = guardian) which I translated as "duke". Even the kangaroo thing was not explained fully. I conceded that making them quaduped was not feasible when you brought it up, but while I had them domesticated i thought it reasonable to experiment with pulling crude carts (knowing full well that such experiments would not take off in the long run).
That being said, I also see that I've been pushing the developments a bit much, so I'll definitely be slowing down the progression in the future.
So anyway, again I hope I dont take up you modding time with strikes that are just misunderstandings, but at the same time I don't want to clutter my posts with disclaimers on every little advancement. Maybe there are some things you can discuss without crossing out?
Mod Council PMIV
Look Cal I understand your concerns but I can't afford to follow conditions that strigenet if I want to construct a colonial empire. I need to treat them shit and if they won't convert who cares I am going to genocide most of them out soon anyway. Arcadia will be Christian just let the colonists handle it rather than getting in the way. Person67 (talk) 14:29, December 11, 2016 (UTC)
Native Americans in pm4
So I just wanted to addess and clarify what you've been introducing to help the Native Americans in PMIV. I think the use of Subliminis Dei to stop the enslavement and mistreatment of Native Americans to be a wonderful idea, and is a beneficial use of your nation in PM4. Now, since the Native Americans outside of Mesoamerica and Peru had no concept of private land, I'm sure you can understand how that could cause the confusion: if any georgraphic area where the native tribes migrated is interpreted as "their land", then there remains very little in North America where Europeans can colonize with current technology. And even in Mesoamerica, Crim's Portugal is already in the process of conquering Mexico. Now, your explanation in the next post clarifies things much better. To make sure we are on the same page: the colonies of America can still make war or even enlsave the Natives if their is a just cause for it, such as proving an individual tribe or nation to be "enemies of Christianity".
Of course, the Subliminis Dei did not go without controversy, as I've read on its Wikipedia article:
"Stogre (1992) notes that "Sublimis Deus" is not present in Denzinger, the authoritative compendium of official teachings of the Catholic Church, and that the executing brief for it ("Pastorale officium") was annulled the following year. Davis (1988) asserts it was annulled due to a dispute with the Spanish crown. The Council of The West Indies and the Crown concluded that the documents broke their patronato rights and the Pope withdrew them, though they continued to circulate and be quoted by La Casas and others who supported Indian rights." That is, the execommunication of people in Spanish colonies who mistreat Natives was thought to be contrary to their rights of Church patronage, as well as a threat to the colonial empire of Spain, and so the latter part of the bull was revoked in 1538.
So, I love what you are going with this, but I just want to make sure we are ironing out the finer details of an action that has such a huge impact to the rest of the game Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess 00:44, December 12, 2016 (UTC)
Would like to talk to you about Papal business. Will be on chat all day.
23:01, December 14, 2016 (UTC)
Hello, As I can see you are a mod for PM4 and I wanted to know if Morocco can coloinze the New World (due to Nathan telling me that he worked on their on ships) so far the mods I have that said yes is Scraw and AM -Bozistanball
Confirm colonisation PMIV
Can you please confirm my colonisation confirmation as the knights hospitaller? You are listed as a mod. Thank you for your time.
I see that we are complete outmatch now that Hitler is a GG, and so i advise that we go on the defensive and defend the city that Hitler attacks next to gain the bonuses. I also recomment striking at the Venetian Fleet (the unloyal half) in order to make it easier to take Venice later if we can.
Hey Cal, I just had a quick question. Since, in Napoleons Australian Victory, there's been a successful British Spring, could that mean it could inspire a "German Spring" in the Confederation of the Rhine and France's German territories? I am that guy (talk) 06:05, February 19, 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, I remember seeing that bit about Prussia and Austria somewhere. I'd imagine if German nationalism was to rise in some form, it'd be there. I'd think at first there'll be regionalist parties looking to establish independent Prussian and Austrian states, if only as members of the Confederation of the Rhine. Of course, in the British Springs aftermath, I doubt France would budge even that much. A crackdown on those parties, and possible subsequent protests of those parties could turn public opinion in the German states (whether or not their citizens would be sympathetic to the Prussian and Austrian Germans I don't know that).
Tis me again. Long time no see.I probably will not be editing for an extensive amount of time but I was wanting to contribute more to NAV mainly because of the fact its a great timeline (and it seems to me I'm not the only one haha). So I was wondering if I could help in contributing to the India page and get a couple proposals going here and there? Have a look at my sandbox to get a feel of some of my ideas. Anyway, good talk to you again. Imp (Say Hi?!) 12:38, March 19, 2017 (UTC)
Cheers pal. Another thing I was thinking about was the uniform colour hahaha. In OTL the Brits wore red coats while in India (and presumably across the Empire) but in what I have written, the Marathas had much more of an influence - and their preffered colour was saffron. Therefore I was wondering if there would be a change in colour of the uniform on the sub-continent, which would then spread out over the Kingdoms, or would the uniforms continue to remain red. I was also wondering about the tubes, because I reckon India would definitely have those. I also saw the lengths the monarchs reigned for and I feel perhaps you could squeeze in one or two more in there, if just to create more marriage potentials and whatnot.
I also ended up writing a bit about the British isles itself mainly after the Spring. I'm interested to hear what you think about that. I wrote a bit on Edinburgh as well so have a look and see what you think of that.
Yes I do agree, the red coat for the guards and the highest ranking officers I feel would work well. And if we use the concept of guards to be the elite division(s) of the country then it would have the additional bonus of seemingly providing "the best" for the monarchy, cause of all the connotations with Britain and all. I agree, Saffron in Malaya and Sumatra would be the logical course of action as they would definitely be the closest together in terms of relations due to their proximity and whatnot.
Yea, for those two strictly Anglophone countries I could really see no other colour than scarlet. For the tube, I'm feeling Delhi first probably, and perhaps followed by Calcutta and then Bombay. Yea the identity would definitely play a part and generally economic progress and the centre of government would probably attract businesses and commerce, which would bring in more people as well I feel. Yea England would be depopulated by some margin and I also feel the shuffling of the populace would also be somewhat a factor. Like for all intents and purposes it would be logical I feel for Manchester to remain prominent. Imp (Say Hi?!) 03:01, March 24, 2017 (UTC)
We need to talk on chat.
We really need to talk again its important, get on chat pls.
GET ON CHAT WITH ME AND FEUD PLS TO NEGOTIATE THE TREATY, I AM WAITING FOR OVER 3 TURNS WE NEED TO SETTLE THIS ASAP.
Alexandria, et al
I just want to make you are clear that my Conference is not intended to be a binding agreement like a treaty, as I don't think even the most enlightened heads of Christianity and Islam could plausibly make a such a treaty. Rather, I am just opening a forum for two faiths to discuss without fear of religious-based conlfict. Of course, you or I could propose agreements, but nothing would be binding at this early stage.
Also, don't forget to update the Wars page and the List of Popes. I wouldn't want the Hitlerite war to be missed on that roll :) Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess 22:54, March 6, 2017 (UTC)
I just want to clear up for you, I don't want it to sound like I'm pushing you out of the war with the Ottomans, and if I was completely honest I think Papal involvement (and even ambition to invade the Holy Land) would make things perfectly fascinating. I was just sent the earlier dip, as you can understand, mostly out of the sake of plausibility. So if you end up calling crusade and invading after few years (as the war will last a long time), I won't hold it against you. You can ask Feud if you want more details on how the Crusade is being carried out. Thanks Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess 06:41, March 26, 2017 (UTC)
I have a bit of a crazy idea for an arc we could try at some point within the next 15-20 years of pm4. The basic premise is some barbary pirates raides a major city in Italy, and by random luck kidnaps the Pope. The Pope would then be held for ransom in the Caliphate for a turn or so, before being liberated by mercenaries. It's not completely unprecedented (as the Pope has been at least imprisoned many times OTL), but I just thought it was a pretty cool idea, so let me know what you think.
Catholism in Lan Xang/Laos
It has come to my attention you are the papal player. I want to Christianize Lan Xang, and possibly make it Catholic. I invited Nestorians into Lan Xang, which while isnt Catholic, its a start, but do you think there is a way you could get Catholic missioarnies into Laos? I am currently majority buddhist and just got my first Christians this turn, but my elite adopted just Confucianism and there is much potiential for Christianity to spread.
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Re: Navy Size
Hello Cal, I dont know a lot about the rules. Looking at the size of the Bengali navy (800 ships), I estimated the size of my navy. Can you please inform me about my max navy size ?
You didn't list any cardinal(s) from the domains of the Coptic world. They should have an ability to participate before people jump on a bandwagon for something else Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess 23:31, July 26, 2017 (UTC)
Callum I am emailing you a link to our Discord server, I highly encourage you to join it. If it does not work, get back to me and I'll send another link.
Scraw 01:56, July 30, 2017 (UTC)
Actually I realized I don't have your email so never mind. I think there's a public link floating around on the wiki somewhere.
Scraw 02:05, July 30, 2017 (UTC)
That was my complaint at first, but the concept of an antipope situation is too interesting to miss Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess 15:47, July 31, 2017 (UTC)
In PMIV if you let me nationalise the British monestaries, I will return to the main fold of Rome. Apparentely the anti- Pope is reactionary so he can legalise slavery and anti- semetism but not the monestaries on my lands being under my control. Person67 (talk) 22:52, August 2, 2017 (UTC)
Well, I guess thanks for sorting out the witch probelm. I mean maybe asking my King's permission would have been prudent but your doing me a favour. That Inquistor also better keep his inquiries purely into accusations of witchcraft. The Church stays out of my court system. Person67 (talk) 16:24, August 6, 2017 (UTC)
Eyyy it's me! The Ethiopian Player on PMIV, in wondering what I'm voting for in the College of Cardinals.
Hi, I am the Ethiopia Player and I thought of an idea of Possibly making a confederacy with Egypt and Ethiopia and Calling it the "Confederation of The Holy Land" and possibly adding Israel and the coast of OTL Saudi Arabia to it and making some vessels and Other Relgious states in the Middle East, I'm planning on Slowly originizing in each of my turns and sending a 2 representives ( one Egyptian and the other one Ethiopian) to see if papacy will recognize it, so I was wondering if you are Supportive and interested in this Little experiment, as I will be juggling 2 Religions and having to Give them equal Power, so yeah!
But it might fail, or might just become an economic alliance, it depends (it might not even be a thing)
we inform you that Jesus Neve died by getting killed by drunk brits one of the brits was half brit half serb muslim before he was kill the serb said allah ackbar and the grils he svaed form small poxs is a miracle that can be attributed to his intercession, ISSACANGEW (talk) 02:30, October 22, 2017 (UTC)
Hey, I sent a message to the Papal States in 1815 and I'm not sure if you saw it, so I figured I'd send you a message on your talk page instead of reposting it on the game page.
- Hawaiian Diplomacy: The Catholic community of Hawaii makes a request to the Pope asking that the Apostolic Vicariate of Hawaii and Polynesia be elevated to a formal diocese led by a Bishop of Honolulu. Additionally it is asked that an Apostolic Vicariate of Polynesia, Apostolic Prefecture of Hema Pae 'Aina, Apostolic Prefecture of Tonga, and Mission sui iuris of Angu-Zia be either created or made subject to this new ecclesiastical province.
I would like to adopt the article -Scotland (1983: Doomsday).
I would like to adopt the Scotland (1983: Doomsday) page to create an economic policy (I'm sure they will have at least some farms, some basic food processing factories and a few fishing vessels) and to add to both the general political, national policing and local organisational aspects of it.
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