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- 1 Alliance
- 2 Battle of Britain
- 3 Re:Philipines and Moroland
- 4 Colonial World Rebooted
- 5 Re:ASEAN
- 6 Chat
- 7 china and japan
- 8 The Global War Resurrected Map Game
- 9 Diversa Pars II
- 10 Dow adoption
- 11 Just asking
- 12 Memes
- 13 1
- 14 Thanks!
- 15 Signature
- 16 New World Order
- 17 Duplication
- 18 Chat
- 19 Re: Valentine's Day
- 20 Anaei
- 21 Translation
- 22 95T
- 23 Chat
- 24 Second Duplication
- 25 Chat
- 26 RE: Emancipation
- 27 RE: Emancipation
- 28 Re:Hi!
- 29 Re: Hi
- 30 Nay!
- 31 Answers
- 32 Departure
- 33 Thank you
- 34 Re:HELP
- 35 Suggestion
- 36 Korea's reform
- 37 Re:Re:Suggestion
- 38 Solution for Korea
- 39 For the Cleopatra of Hani
- 40 Re:Edits
- 41 Mod event
- 42 RE: Message 4/5/16
- 43 RE: German translation
- 44 Re:Philippines (C, P, C)
- 45 Chat fight
- 46 GoN
- 47 Re:Just a little nitpick
- 48 RE: Garuda
- 49 RE: Han re-sizing
- 50 Game of Nations
- 51 RE: GoN
- 52 Re: Cherry, Plum, and Chrysanthemum
- 53 RE: PMIV Korea
- 54 Re:Philippines CPC
- 55 Czech'd
- 56 To a friend
- 57 Doing what you love
- 58 Dirigist Party
- 59 Time to vote
- 60 About My Actions With China
- 61 Pagan Conversion
- 62 Re:Do you have time?
- 63 Skype
- 64 Re:Examples
- 65 Well, well
- 66 Rise of the Arabs (Map Game)
- 67 Dynasty name
- 68 SE Asia PM4C
- 69 The Khanate
- 70 Nestorianism in Laos
- 71 PM4: I'm selling stuff
- 72 PMIV Tondo
- 73 Why I revolted as a tributary
- 74 EoGuy Memorial Copy Writer Award
- 75 Re:Yo
- 76 RE:message
- 77 Re: PM4
- 78 Japan to China
- 79 Damn, I found you here
- 80 RE: Frustrations
- 81 Principia Moderni IV (Map Game)
- 82 =k vs 000 and needle rifles vs Needle Rifles
- 83 New Turn
- 84 MDM georgia
Battle of Britain
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Re:Philipines and Moroland
I don't think my althistory about the Philippines and Moroland are too implausible. First, the population of Mindanao and Sulu would be only or maybe less than 3 millions if the islands did not joins the current Republic of the Philippines since that is the number of possible population without any further migrations from Luzon or the Visayas. You must know the policy of Commonwealth of the Phillipines in late 1930s that settled the people from Luzon or the Visayas to Mindanao was in order to make Luzon a less not crowded with growing population.
Second, before your argues that the Muslim majority is only limited in ARMM, you must know that in 1920s and 1930s, Muslim was majority in all parts of Mindanao and Sulu. They were made into a minority only due the Commonwealth policy of migrations in late 1930s as I said first before. That policy is the very truly reason why now Mindanao and Sulu are rampaged by an Islamic rebellion since in any sense, Mindanao and Sulu are further "colonized" by the Christian population from the north.
Third, Spanish is not the official language of the Philippines, but it WAS a common language or lingua franca used by the population of the islands prior to the Spanish-American War. In my timeline, the Spanish-American War did not happening in the Philippines and it was Japan, instead of the United States, that got the islands. The use of Spanish was drastically reduced in our real time due to the American colonial education policy that taught English in the schools. Filipino (or that I personally called as the "Tagalog-based Wikang Pambansa") is never in common use even in 1930s. Only after the Japanese invasion in 1940s that the Tagalog-based Wikang Pambansa started to be used in common use.
Fourth, if the political development of Mindanao and Sulu was independent from the Luzon and the Visayas one, I am 100% sure that the Moros will uses Malay as their unifying language. The Moros, like the Filipinos, is not a single homogenous people, instead they are a collection of many different tribes with common Islamic faith. Tausug or Sulu language will be limited only in Sulu. In fact, Malay was a very prominent language in Southeast Asia even before World War II. It was the language of trades and politics, not only in the Muslim-dominated regions, but also the Christian ones (Christian-dominated North Sulawesi used a Malay creole language since 19th century and Malay was a very popular lingua franca in Indonesia, even for the Dutch elites and Indos). Any political movements in Mindanao and Sulu on the Philippines without American colonization will be plausibly promotes Malay as the unifying language.
Fifth, Zamboanga is a Filipino spelling. For Mindanao population, it will be read instead with "j" Malay pronounciation, therefore it will be spelled as "Jamboanga".
Filipino? No, that isn't a true language. Its basically tagalog. The Philippines has great linguistic diversity, and tagalog is spoken by only a quarter of its people. A majority of filipinos are trilingual. While Spanish is a common language, its native languages are spoken by more people. I don't think they would make it their official language because of nationalistic reasons. Candiesrgood (talk) 08:12, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
That is a real-life problem, but in my timeline, Wikang Pambansa is supposed to be a standardized Tagalog, just like Bahasa Indonesia (standardized Malay in Indonesia), Bahasa Malaysia (standardized Malay in Malaysia), or like Urdu and Hindi, basically a same language, but with two different standardizations. FirstStooge (talk) 09:34, July 30, 2015 (UTC)
In ashes of rome map game I am Gokturk Khaganate. I was wondering if after you got a bunch of land from Gorgeyeo, you'd back off in the war so I could beat Liang easier and you'd still get all Gorgeyeo Korean land Revolution 9 (talk) 01:12, August 23, 2015 (UTC)
Colonial World Rebooted
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china and japan
we are fighting a war that you cant win, korea alreadyt agreed to a protecterate treaty with me that leaves you fighting in manchuria against me and korea, so ill offer you terms surrender taiwan and manchuria to me and i will end the war without attacking neijing and further destabalizing your regime. With Blood and Iron (talk) 18:24, November 1, 2015 (UTC)
The Global War Resurrected Map Game
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Diversa Pars II
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I have ties to China in TGWR.
I was planning on making it a series so the next game will be a total different in this regard. if you want to help me work on it let me know i will put it up here soon. -Feud
I would want to help you make it, just tell me anything you need. On this new game, may I be a mod? ~ There was a candy, and it said, "Bruh, I'm coming for you, nigga. Oi, g'day mate you wanna mate?" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I'm sorry if I bother you, but are you a SONE? Your profile page shows that. And, I see you also like Exid. If you are a kpop fans, then nice to meet you.
Sorry again for asking, have a nice holiday :)
Yes indeed. I also like EXO, BIG BANG, f(x), SISTAR, etc. Nice meeting you! [•~•] ~ Candiesrgood
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Hi, I understand what you have said but I re-added two pictures, is it fine with you if I re-add them into my profile page? I have not re-added any of those "useless" photos. If you do not like me to re-add these pictures, just delete them. (below) ~There was a candy, and it said, "Bruh, I'm coming for you, nigga. Oi, g'day mate you wanna mate?" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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- Thank you for the apology. For now, I'll just re-add the two pictures above (the dog and the cat). ~There was a candy, and it said, "Bruh, I'm coming for you, nigga. Oi, g'day mate you wanna mate?" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
that is the map game
I'm like the English professor in the Men's Room.
I don't write on the walls.
I just correct the spelling and grammar.
I really don't understand why the sentence is offensive. I get that the word "nigga" might be offensive, and that's why I will remove it from my sig. ~There was a candy, and it said, "Bruh, I'm coming for you, bruh. Oi, g'day mate you wanna mate?" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
New World Order
See my assessment on the talk page. I believe this is much closer to regulations than it was originally. There are a couple of minor flaws, but as soon as I can confer with Bfox I'm sure it will pass through inspection.
When will you assess it? Is a new mod poll going to be set up?
~There was a candy, and it said, "Bruh, I'm coming for you, bruh. Oi, g'day mate you wanna mate?" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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Re: Valentine's Day
See this wonderous array of dazzling stars? They are eternally embedded in the infinite, empty expanse that is your cold, black heart. Enjoy! -Nathan
Candy, appearantly there is a rumor going around that I said something to Anaei that angered him. Rumor has it you were the one you brought this up as you spoke to Anaei after it happened. I would like to know what it was Anaei said I did that angered him. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:56, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
"Welcome to the Hani Empire" in Han is transliterated as Salgoissda sha Jeguk nan Hani. Two of the words are Korean loanwords. ~There was a candy, and it said, "Bruh, I'm coming for you, bruh. Oi, g'day mate you wanna mate?" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Han has a grammar structure very similar to Tagalog and is a Philippine language (thus also being an Austronesian language). However, it has numerous Japanese influences as well as numerous Korean and Chinese loanwords. I'll give a comparison of both languages.
- I am a person.
Ako ay isang tao. (Tagalog)
Hachiwa yinshita salam. (Han)
- I want to eat some food.
Gusto ko magkain ng mga pagkain. (Tagalog)
Gushitoko dashikayin nanman wiroyumshigu. (Han)
- Hi, I am Viva and I am from Xyon.
Kamusta, ako si Viva, at ako ay taga Xyon. (Tagalog)
Kamushita, hachishi Vivayato hachi wataka Shiyon.
- Have you seen those ugly candy?
Nakita mo ba yung mga kending panget? (Tagalog)
Nakita noba yushitaman gwajasou chuaghan? (Han)
- The candies are fighting!
Yung mga kendi ay nag lalaban! (Tagalog)
Yushitaman gwajawa nidassassaum! (Han)
I think that's too large of a price to pay, especially when I can unite Japan on my own. Here's what I'll say: If you trade with me and don't invade Japan now, then I won't invade you. Furthermore, when I'm isolationist, I will be opening up a few ports to specific countries in exchange for favors, and I can give you a port on Kyushu.
Candies, I am a bit confused about China's invasion of Japan. I won't offer you both Hokkaido and Ryushu, just Ryushu and the islands to the south like Okinawa, but I think it is in your best interests to try to stop China. If they conquer Japan, then they will easily invade you next, and become one of the most powerful countries in the world. I'm also not sure how this will work because the mods don't like to do algos in Japan, because it's tribal. I'll talk to them. Vatonica (talk) 11:51, February 23, 2016 (UTC)
Aww, well, come as soon as possible. ~There was a candy, and it said, "Bruh, I'm coming for you, bruh. Oi, g'day mate you wanna mate?" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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I did not know this picture was a duplicate because its wikipedia counterpart had a different file name.
I would like to talk to you, so I'd appreciate it if you would join me here. I'll be waiting.
I know Japan isn't a regional power. I'm gonna make it one. Also, there's only six years of difference. It's not like it's a century too early. — The Tim Man (TSW • AH • MGW • Contribs) 13:34, March 26, 2016 (UTC)
Candies, that is always fun for having a Filipino friend (and a K-pop fans too) around here. Believe me XD
Nevertheless, FM had give me such good, detailed answers about my questions regarding Malay language (although I'm a Malay-related descendant myself). That gave me an enlightenment about the Malay language issue on the Philippines, the only Malay-related country in Asia that does not use Malay language. You actually helped me too for verifying FM's answers, giving me a sure conviction about that matter. I believe I will also need your help in the future if I want to develop my althist in the Philippines further in future.
Thank you so much, neomu neomu kamsadeuriguyeo. :)
Well, your question is a bit ambiguous for me, Candy. In what context of Japan that you had asking me? Pre-1900? Pre-World War I? Interbellum era? Or World War II? Japan like other imperialist countries of course could be able to allow at least one of its occupied territories to be an independent state. But unless I know about that scenario that you have about Japan, there is nothing that I can able to say.
Nay! I will never let you overtake me!
As for the India is Great thing, as far as I known there are no problems with copying from a site like Wikipedia, because the plagiarism rules only really stretch to works of fiction (i.e. other althists). Besides, that type of thing is above my pay grade. FPNow 10% edgier!!! 14:40, April 21, 2016 (UTC)
By the end of 1800s, Japan in OTL attempted to make itself in equal standing with Western powers. Western powers did not only associated with its industrial economy, but also imperialism all over the world. Even a small country in Europe such the Netherlands tried to grab a vast archipelago of Indonesia without exhausted for over two centuries. Imperialism was not only about an attempt for getting a lot of natural and human resources from the colonies that would support the industrialization and the economic life of the mother country, but also as the symbol of pride that identified between "powerful" and "ordinary" Western nations. Meiji Japan was aware of these way of thinking. Modernization was equal with industrialization, while industrialization was equal with the expansion of economic interests overseas. In conclusion, Japan wanted to survive from the Western colonialism that rampaged Asia at that time and they want to become like "Westerners" in order to challenge it. Meiji politicians tried to counterbalance this very idea of Westernizing by developing a quasi-religious ideology of kokutai (national sovereignty) in which Japan is the sacred and ancient land led by divine emperors as the centre of the world and the leader of Asian people.
This kokutai idea would serves as the reason why Japan made troubles all around Asia later in WW2. But, also with this idea Japan colonized Taiwan and Korea in 1895 and 1905 respectively. So, if in your timeline Japan tried to conquest your ATL Philippines by the time of WW1, why did they will allow that country to be independent while they still had such chauvinistic idea of kokutai? Japan wanted to expand as wide as possible and they were crazy enough to expand as far as California, Alaska and Chile at that time. So, no matter how implausible your timeline might be, Japan in OTL and Japan in your ATL will never allowing any colony or conquered nation of theirs to be an independent nation by the time of 1920s and 1930s.
Given how strong and influential Japan at the time of WW1, other powers would never directly supports any individual or organization to stand against Japan. In order not to hurt the diplomatic relations, those countries will extraditing and handing the person to Japan. Japan will never sent any assasin or spy to make sure that man stop his activity. Japan will tried that person according to their law in order to show the public "the betrayer of Emperor" in order to strengthen the ideology of kokutai over the populace, both at home and at the colony, and win the public support.
P.S: I knew it already. Please make sure you never any thought to make any reference of "Up & Down" in Hani's national anthem. :v
P.S.II: Thank you, I will. And please make sure too you check Oh My Girl's "Closer" and "Liar Liar" MVs out. They deserve a lot of love as a rookie girl group. <3 <3 <3
Now I am waiting for Twice's comeback this week. Once Twice has won 1st place in music shows, I believe there will be OMG's time to shine and occupy the third place in the hierarcy of rookie girl groups (after Girlfriend and Twice, of course).
And, now is April 23, the 5th anniversary of B1A4's debut. Please congratulate me if you don't mind XD
I had never been active in chat since my first time joined this wiki in 2012. I DID active in chat about two years ago when people like Mscoree, Imperium Guy, Scrawland Scribblescratch, Kogasa and others still dominated this wiki. However, as the time goes by, I felt chat is not my thing, so I always avoiding to do conversations in chat. I am not very talkative and sociable actually. I love to talk about K-pop, but so far there are only two users on this wiki that I find to have similar taste with me, but that guy went inactive long time ago. When on this wiki, I usually use the role as one of the senior writer-users, focusing my time only for writing my timeline and theorizing about Althistory as well as watching and observing new users and their articles. ^_^"
It's up to you to decide, but I feel like it would be saddening to see you leave this wiki. If you want any help, I am more than happy to speak to me on chat or on my talk page.
This is a formal thanks for making that algorithm for me.
Sorry for late response. I am on my last year in college, so currently my life is terribly busy :3
Well, I am not into map games, so I can not helping to moderate you and the "extremists" (I say...). However, if you want an answer about those matter, perhaps I can helping for a bit.
First, the Meiji Restoration and the Gwangmu Reform actually correlates with each other. You can not having the Gwangmu if there is no the Meiji pre-existed. After the Japanese successfully modernized their country, there were two factions within the Joseon government: the one who sought to keep the Chinese model of government and its Confucian-based law and the one who sought to copy the Japanese way of modernization and Westernization. The former is pretty much isolationist in thinking and believed Korea as a "little China" with its own universe. They refused an existence of another Asian empire aside of China, a very reason why Japan almost invaded Korea in 1870s. On other hand, the latter is pretty much progressive and Japan in no way threatening Korea's existence. In fact, Japan inspired them to stand for their own independence, especially from China.
In conclusion, there is almost implausible for Korea to have any reform of its own inspiration by 1860s and 1870s. Korea was far less important than Japan in which the Western nations never took any serious to open Korea out of its isolation. Foreign powers viewed Korea as simply as an isolated kingdom, a weak tributary of China, like of Mongolia and Tibet. You must take a note that this view continued even through World War II in which the Allied leaders at the Postdam Conference thought Korea must under foreign trusteeship as its seems unable to govern itself albeit a millenium-old of national independence. Japan itself will endured the same way that Korea went through (colonization, economic exploitation, cultural repression, etc...) if they did not open their country out of isolation and did modernization in every life aspects.
So, at the end, you are right about Japan can not doing modernization with its pre-Meiji social structure. The class system was rigid and there was no real united, national government. The Emperors were simply the head of religion, while the Shoguns were actually the real monarchs of Japan. The shoguns even wanted to use the title of "koku-ou" ("king of the nation") during the Edo period. In fact, the shoguns themselves were the head of confederation of semi-independent feudal states that spread throughout the Japanese islands; any attempt for reform can not be effective if this system retained.
However, the three extremists are also right about Korea. Korea can not be modernized unless Japan modernizing itself first. Believe me, Korean national historiography of today is far more biased and less objective. My advice for you, Candy: never read the articles of Korean history in Wikipedia, they are too biased and too chauvinistic.
Well, you can conclude by yourself about this matter. If I continuing to give you a lecture about this matter, I will keep sitting behind my laptop and writing a talk message for you for about 2 hours. This reply will gonna veeeeerrrrrrrryyyyyyyyy loooooooooooong. Fortunately, I decided not doing that XD
I apologize for late reply, but this is the best that I can do. Thank you and have a nice day. :)
P.S. Oh My Girl's fandom is "Miracle"...and I'm part of it. I hope you can joining us one day in future. :3
Hi there Candies, I noticed that you were interested in Venusian Haven. I am too. As Nuke isn't working on it right now and seems reluctant to allow us to edit any proper pages, so perhaps we could make a sandbox and bounce some ideas? FPNow 10% edgier!!! 20:02, April 27, 2016 (UTC)
If China is reformed by the Taiping Kingdom, Korea will very much furthering their isolation. They will declare independence from non-Confucian China and isolate themselves more, probably at the level of Edo Japan. They are threatened by Taiping China, they are threatened by Japan and they are afraid of Western imperialism (especially Russia). Then, is there any other option other than limiting their trade and closing their border from both side?
Any reform from within is impossible. The Daewongun is not anti-Western; he is anti-foreigners, including the Japanese and even the Chinese, and pretty much a patriot for his country (although not an enlightened patriot). The Daewongun will isolates Korea even more in order to make sure the Confucian social order prevails in Korea. On other hand, young King Gojong is influenced by his wife, Queen Min, and lack of charisma like the Meiji Emperor has; he can not be a Meiji for Korea. Unless there is a rebellion to force the government to open themselves, you can not expect more about Korea.
I can not say that is plausible enough, but at least it will having a more likely possibility.
Solution for Korea
Japan must be colonized by a foreign power first in order to make Korea felt threatened. If Korea felt threatened for watching a country close to its peninsula got colonized, they will attempted, at least, to modernize their military and economy. For the rest of modernization in Korea, is up to you.
Yes, it must be directly colonized. Otherwise, there is no other way.
For the Cleopatra of Hani
The reason I may appear to be ignoring you is not that I lack any love for the wiki, or you, but that I love my degree more. When I finish with my finals campaign this week, then I will make my triumphant return.
Sorry, I'm busy right now so if I did come on chat I wouldn't be able to have an extended conversation, and I'd just be on overwatch.
And there's a difference between edit-spamming and doing a service for the wiki ;)
(P.S. gg with overtaking me, it's actually quite impressive how quickly you did it)
RE: Message 4/5/16
Sorry, I won't be able to go on chat for quite some time because of exams. I will maintain the game, but direct communication won't be possible because of my time commitments. — The Tim Man (TSW • AH • MGW • Contribs) 05:01, May 4, 2016 (UTC)
RE: German translation
No, not necessarily. Since you wrote "Anssan", I changed it to "Anßan" since the letter ß represents an "ss" sound in German typography. — The Tim Man (TSW • AH • MGW • Contribs) 15:24, May 8, 2016 (UTC)
Re:Philippines (C, P, C)
Well, I never intended to replace Tagalog with Malay though. That is too unlikely for me too. As you can see, in my timeline the Malay language movement is simply a non-political intellectual activism. In fact, ITTL the prominent figures for such movement (Venceslao, Macapagal, etc.) will eventually dropped their activism and instead joined the Nationalists who had been supportive toward Tagalog-centric nationalism. Venceslao and Macapagal later does not promoted such idea of making Malay as a national language anymore, instead they will working to establish closer relations with their Malay-speaking neighbours such Indonesia and Malaya in the post-independence era. The Philippines will be simply a copy of my ATL Japan in Southeast Asia, a nationalist single-party state (yay for Benigno Ramos!).
Act of Ambition
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Re:Just a little nitpick
Hmm, you can read this journal if you have a time (http://lup.lub.lu.se/student-papers/record/1626629/file/1626632.pdf). That's just a theory, of course. But, it is an Alternate World. Even if in the real time, the scholars agreed that Korean and Japanese languages shared a lot of similarities including several cognates from its linguistic predecessors both in the islands and the peninsula, such theory about Austronesian origin of the Japanese language would be put forward politically to promote a link between Japan and Southeast Asia. As you can see on this Althist, Japan did not colonizes Korea, but the Philippines instead. Politically, an effort to create a common linguistic root between the colonizers and the colonized will justify the Japanese rule on the Philippines.
In fact if it is only an alternate history, the Japanese language will having grammatical structure similarity with Korean, that does not means Japanese is ONLY rooted from Korean. You must understand there were efforts by Korean nationalist historians whose as revisionists as Japanese nationalist historians to push a theory of "Japanese is the descendant of Koreans". Such theory was also expanded into the linguistic study. Proto-Korean with its Altaic features contributed to the evolution of linguistic structure and vocabularies of Japanese. However, you must notice that Japanese of past is different with Japanese of today. Japanese people was indeed not a single race as today; it is created through intermarriages between several ancient tribes in the islands, such ancient Austronesians in southern Kyushu and Ryukyu who migrated from Taiwan, ancient proto-Koreans in southern tip of Korean peninsula and northern Kyushu who called themselves "Wa", Ainus in northern Honshu and Hokkaido and Emishi in the rest of Honshu.
And, you must notice, that will I refuse to group Korean and Japanese as one group either linguistically or genetically, I can not group Japanese and Austronesian into a common group either for Japanese people, culture and language even in OTL. You did a simplification about Korean and Japanese as one group, so did I with Japanese and Austronesian. Remember, Japanese history is still a shrouded cloud today for the lack of ancient records that can explain the complete historiography of its people and its culture. I suggest you to try reading several compilations of Japanese folk stories so you can find that Japanese culture do having a wide spectrum of cultural influence through their history that can not be explained simply by a simplification of scientific studies.
Note: Yes, I do now. But, I like Oh My Girl and Twice more :3
- "...Russia and Japan agreed to divide Korea to their respective spheres of influences along the 38th parallel north and Karafuto Island along the 50th parallel north. Korea was effectively subjugated into the protectorate of both Russia and Japan, each with the signings of the protectorate treaties with Russia on November 1, 1905 and with Japan on November 7, 1905."
Being a protectorate does not equal with being colonized. Yes, Korea in my ATL was divided "equally" by Russia and Japan, but technically Korea remained an independent nation (Joseon royal government was still retained albeit moved to Hamhung in northern zone as you can see Queen Min was still alive and she was a fervent pro-Russian during his lifetime in OTL). So, Korea kept its independence although became a client state of both Russia and Japan.
When Russia experienced a revolution in 1917, Korea succumbed into quasi-anarchy in the north while the Japanese kept tight control in the south. But, when Japan also experienced a revolution and civil war in my timeline, the Japanese republicans realized Korea was an important buffer state even for them. So, the Nationalists lent a support toward anti-monarchy elements in Korean society, such Syngman Rhee (he is a Pan-Asianist for short before became a pro-Western Republican politician early in his life), Yun Chi-ho (OTL supporter of Japanese imperialism as well as a closet republican who kept his hatred toward King Gojong and the royal family since 1890s) and Ahn Changho (political pragmatist in OTL and ATL, with strong anti-authoritarian tendency).
So, Korea in my ATL, with Japanese aids, became a strong industrial powerhouse and regional power second only to Japan for its importance as a "bridge" between China and Japan. They are strong and prosperous, but never surpassing Japan, just like Park Myung-soo to Yoo Jae-suk or Lee Soo-geun to Kang Ho-dong. Korea is like a "second-in-command", loyal client state for Japan albeit its strong and influential international standing.
Korean population reduced in number after Japan colonized the peninsula in OTL and many Koreans migrated to Manchuria, China proper, Soviet Far East, the United States, Hawaii or even Japan itself to seek a better life. In real life, there are least 5 million Koreans living overseas. Since Korea never properly colonized in ATL, at least, the immigration overseas could be slowed down so the population growth can be kept in my ATL. And, of course with a Korea that more stable economically and politically as well as more friendly with Japan, Japanese diaspora will be residing peacefully in the peninsula. My personal view is similar with NuclearVacuum that a large number of Japanese will living around Busan since it is closest with Japan geographically just like the OTL Chinese community in Incheon. That's why on my ATL Japanese language page, Japanese is recognized as an official minority language in Korea.
For the case of the Philippines, the Japanese are not staying in ATL Philippines, but in Moroland. They are mostly in Davao City and owning several influential businessess and plantations. You can read that in my Moroland page. And also, not only Japanese that settling in Davao, but the Koreans and Taiwanese too. And also, I already mentioned about a large number of Japanese community in Manila since the Kingdom of Tondo was a tributary state of both Japan and China in the Middle Ages.
"Joreujima eolma gaji anha bureuge haejulge Baby~"
- Momo, while sexily dancing on "Cheer Up" MV (wow~...I love her, she always gives me a sexy innocent vibe)
No, it stayed as a united country but stood independently at the complete mercy of great powers like Japan, China and Russia. To give you an example regarding this matter, Sarawak was a protectorate of British Empire prior to 1946 with its own monarchy, the White Rajahs, and own government and never been an integral part of the Empire like Canada, Australia or India although depended a lot to the British in economic and defense affairs just like its neighbor to remain independence and avoid being invaded by the Dutch. Yes, Korea is an independent nation in ATL, but lived like a zombie, continued to be controlled by foreign interests and its domestic supporters here and there, sacrificed its national dignity for the sake of de jure independence from foreign control.
I suggest you to read this timeline by zeppelinair at AH.com (http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/the-tale-of-the-twelve-republics-a-tliaw-redux.362134/) as the answers for all of your questions. Zeppelinair always do a good job in writing althistory about Korea, although at some occasions I did not agree with his ideas on writings.
I am sorry for being bold, but your holms are simply like switching the events in Japan and Korea and hoping the very exact opposite things will happening on the history of two nations (Korea stronger than Japan, etc. etc. etc.). Writing an althistory can not be as simple as like that. As Uchronian writers, we must find expand our perspectives, study dilligently on our favorite subjects of history and keep our mind as open as possible, not simply being creative. :/
Re-imagining the history of one nation and implementing a same scenario to an other is not a simple thing. You can find the counterparts between Korea and Japan, either an event or a figure, but even a holm will be influenced and following the global events. You must doing research first regarding the situation in Korea in 19th century for the plausibilty of any such reform and you must find first is the culture, society, technology, ideology, mentality and capability of such nation will allowing them to be a powerful nation. :)
That is why I suggested you to read zeppelinair's TL at AH.com so you can understand more about writing about Korean althistory. If you still insists to put forward your holms to change the entirety of Korean history and unless you doing a study first by reading journals regarding the situation of Korea during that era, I can not giving you any feedback regarding your holms. ^_^"
Thank you for the feedback. The phrase I'm trying to get across is best described in German, Freistaat Katagalugan; Freistaat is another German word for "Republic." I chose the word "Katagalugan" because I read it was one of the names used for the Philippines before European contact. — T I M (TSW • AH • MGW • Contribs) 05:38, June 23, 2016 (UTC)
RE: Han re-sizing
There are problems with your POD. You must take note that all dynasties that existed OTL after the Hans never came into being in my planned version of China because the Hans have managed to hold on to their power to this day. So the outcome of a Korean attempt to invade Han could be very different. — T I M (TSW • AH • MGW • Contribs) 04:45, June 26, 2016 (UTC)
Game of Nations
Hi Candies. I'm just here to inform you that your turn on Game of Nations has commenced, and that you are now free to post your nation. Thanks. — T I M (TSW • AH • MGW • Contribs) 12:26, July 4, 2016 (UTC)
Re: Cherry, Plum, and Chrysanthemum
Sorry for a very late response. It is a Eid ul-Fitr season in my country, you know. But, I see you did find a good name for your timeline already XD. Well, just to straighten the information, Chrysanthemum is do represents Japan, but Plum is representing Korea (it was the royal symbol of Joseon Dynasty) and Cherry blossoms represents China. However for a specific information, all of three flowers are actually represents Japan alone for its significance in Japanese arts and culture.
RE: PMIV Korea
Then what's bansa mean? I don't know if that is true but I found the Tagalog language does not differentiate "nation", "country" and "people". Is not bayan actually means "city/town" in Tagalog? I do want to separate the terminology for three words in my timeline since if the Philippines was colonized by the Japanese, they will also took an example with how Japanese language differentiate that three terms: kokumin, kokka and jinmin. So, I creates separate terms for "nation" (bansa), "country" (bayan) and "people" (banwa). Banwa word itself was I adopted from Cebuano and Hiliyganon languages from the same sense as bayan. I did that because I want to make Pilipino in my timeline as a new language of its own which effectively used vocabulary of many local Philippine languages, not a mere extension of Tagalog. Too sad Filipino in real life seems only like Tagalog with many English borrowed words.
It was sensual, as expected, although the female lineage tracing is a bit redundant imo
and women could not be divorced for failing to produce a male heir.
I think this one is the only one that ought to be changed and I think it'd be best that the opposition forces your ruler to still allow divorcing for that reason, atleast for the time being.
To a friend
No matter what you have said or done on your talk page, my fraternal love for you will never change. It still baffles me why you remove me as a friend on you list, contradicting the message you left. I can only assume your reference to me as a friend, as well as all the good wishes you sent, were superficial sarcasm. All that I did inspired by you was for naught. The help I offered for your professional timelines, the support I gave when you were down, the defense I gave when you were criticized, came to nothing. The chat rules I made to prevent people from bullying, the quality system of articles I helped Josh to make, the timelines I've worked on to be professional like yours, seems to mean nothing to you. If you are not going on chat anymore, then I will only be on chat later in the day, as the only reason I came on in the morning, was to see you, as the only light we had in this dark wiki.
If you ever have any regrets and come back on chat, I swear no one would hold it against you.
Doing what you love
Hopefully this won't start into a long thread of messages ;P. I just want to say that I am aware of all your complaints about the wiki, but that does not shake my determination to work on it. What is important above all else is doing what you love to do. I love writing timelines, and although the other timelines on the wiki may not have as much quality, what matters is that I enjoy my own content. As for regluations of the wiki, I will continue to crusade for rules and quality standards just as you have inspired me. Even if you were correct to say the wiki is hopeless, I will still keep fighting because, once again, its what I love to do. I also play map games here because it is what I love to do (and let's face it, you love it too ;) ). With you working on conworlds wiki, I hope you love what you do there as well.
I have left a message for Centrist, asking if he would like to help give any pointers to us, regardless of the cynicism you say he has. Anything, no matter how hopeless, is always worth a try. I hope you take that to heart as well.
Time to vote
As your party leader, it is my duty to inform you to vote in the August 19th Althistorian general elections. Let's make sure the Dirigist Party wins! Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 00:21, August 19, 2016 (UTC)
You are Joseon I assume? -Nova 20:20, September 9, 2016 (UTC)
About My Actions With China
I have been blocked by Rex and (to some extent) Josh from taking any further action than reduce his navy and his outwards trade. Also, I am not allowed to give him a strike. As I have seen in my talk, I will take events, no disclosure beforehand of what they will be etc. AM, the King of the Banat (talk) 07:12, October 1, 2016 (UTC)
Re:Do you have time?
Sure, I'll probably be on around 6 PM to 12:00 AM EST tonight; I'll be busy during the day.
18:10, November 25, 2016 (UTC)
I have a skype, wolfheart0412. Search me...
For general history of how Korea and Japan got sinicized, you can read Pre-Modern East Asia: To 1800 - A Cultural, Social, and Political History by Patricia Buckley Ebrey, Anne Walthall and James Palais. I read this book to understand the dynamics in East Asian history.
For specific reference of the history of Korea, I suggest you to read A History of Korea: From Antiquity to the Present by Michael J. Seth. For the history of Japan, I currently read A History of Japan: From Stone Age to Superpower by Kenneth G. Henshall and Japan to 1600: A Social and Economic History by William Wayne Farris.
For the sinicization process in Vietnam, I currently does not have any book or scientific article for it, mainly because I am not focusing too much in Southeast Asian history for now. But, if I find any good reference about Vietnam, I will tell you about that.
I hope it can help you.
I really surprised at how successful Twice in general lately. I am not really into Twice's fandom so far, but Sana made me literally get crazy. She reminds me the girl I used to like back then.
By the way, did you already watch Heechul and Min Kyung-hoon's "Sweet Dream" MV? Momo did a good job in the MV as the love interest of Heechul XD
P.S. B1A4 is making a comeback.
Go ahead and tell him.
-Nova 22:40, December 23, 2016 (UTC)
Nayeon is really a successful fangirl. I rest my case on it.
Notice for RotA
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Rise of the Arabs (Map Game)
Hey Candy, I know we havent had a chance to discuss the name of your dynasty, but I expected something more original and mnemonic than Jin, which was already the name of at least two, maybe three dynasties already. Maybe we could discuss it on chqt or discord when you have the chance.Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess 13:33, March 17, 2017 (UTC)
SE Asia PM4C
I hate to be the one to have to tell you this, but I believe the other mods would not let you partition Siam, or press further in Southeast Asia except for indivdiual expeditions. A punitive campaign would force Siam as a tributary, sure, but not a destruction of the nation. Further campaigns there are similar. According to Feud, this is exactly the reason Nova was removed to bring you in as China: expanding too far. Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess 05:12, April 15, 2017 (UTC)
We need to talk. I need your support for the moment but I got a plan. Dev is trying to invade me. He is trying to take my nation and annex it. Since I am a part of the tributary system, I was wondering if you could support me and help me out with supplies and troops to defeat them. I just want you to be aware and let you know that dev is stirring up trouble. Adolf Coffee (talk) 05:48, May 10, 2017 (UTC)
Candies we had a deal, it's not like i was going to slaughter the nestorians, i focus on Christian supremacy. Plus I had just won against the Khanates army and I was going to give you what you wanted. Plus the most I originally wanted was OTL Central Asia. The Khanate hasn't settled down to the point of even mining resources yet. I was literally going to go with what we agreed with for the SECOND time. (Mr.Orwell 14:20, May 12, 2017 (UTC))
Nestorianism in Laos
Hello. I put a diplomatic request for Nestorian Christians in principia. The reason I need them, is currently Buddhim to too dominent, I need something to balence it out. I don't plan on converting the King myself, however I plan on having them become a large minority by the 19th century.
user talk: Warrioroffreedom123 20:59, May 12, 2017 (UTC)Warriorffreedom123
PM4: I'm selling stuff
Hey Candies, let me know how I can help out in Tondo, in return for my small piece of sovereignty. Basically I'm a very small country trying to not die, and I want to see if we can find a mutually beneficial way forward. ^^ Nonsensicaljourney (talk) 02:09, May 15, 2017 (UTC) (Essen)
Sorry if I offended you. I'm not planning on attacking or encroaching on your territory in any way, I'm happy just for the Canonesses to exist peacefully as they currently do in Tondo, running infirmaries and universities. Nonsensicaljourney (talk) 06:54, May 15, 2017 (UTC)
I know, I'm just trying to find a way to make sure I don't suddenly get wiped out. Would you consider a treaty or some kind of other agreement that basically says we can peacefully coexist? Nonsensicaljourney (talk) 11:46, May 15, 2017 (UTC)
Again, that's cool, a treaty doesn't mean I'm annexing land. I'm talking about a treaty with the organisation Adelphinian Canonesses, which is an Order of canonesses, not an actual country/sovereign/nation. The kind of treaty I'm suggesting wouldn't involve any annexation, just a recognition that we're not going to fight. Again, let me know if you'd like to talk on chat about this. I'm in the Australian timezone. Nonsensicaljourney (talk) 12:17, May 17, 2017 (UTC)
Why I revolted as a tributary
I was bored. Knew it was destined to fail, wanted to have some fun anyway. I had by militant King die, and replaced him with a pro China one, so I don't really plan on revolting anymore. Nor will this Cham buisiness affect me, it will affect Cambodia. I was just bored and wanted to see a major war. so yea
user talk: Warrioroffreedom123 12:34, May 25, 2017 (UTC)warrioroffreedom123
EoGuy Memorial Copy Writer Award
Name me Copy Editor Emeritus and take me out of the running.
That will give someone else a chance.
It has been a long time since we conversed on this wiki, Candies. I am the middle of another restructurization (yeah, again) of my althistory, so I deleted some information regarding Tondo, Hawaii and etc on Japan's page. Yeah, I do know about the Japanese colonies in Luzon, but I can not recall where and how I got that information.
You are absolutely correct and I support your assumption regarding what happened with Tondo in the pre-Spanish era. Tondo, or may we call it as "Tundun" according to Laguna Copperplate Inscription, was a typical Southeast Asian polity. Yes, what Spanish did to the Filipinos is problematic. They simply cut the link between the people and their ancient past in the name of Christianization. But you need to notice that "mandala" and "kedatuan" is different things.
"Mandala" referred to the relationship between an influential and richer polity and much weaker polities, similar the tributary relationship. "Kedatuan" can be translated as a "polity" regardless it ruled by raja, datu, ratu or else. In fact, there is never any empire like in modern sense in the Insular Southeast Asia. What we called it as an empire actually a mandala between a powerful and richer kedatuan with the weaker ones. I assumed that Tundun is like a "mandala within mandala". It is definitely any influential kedatuan among the Philippine polities, but I believed it was also subjugated by stronger kedatuans in the region before Brunei.
If Tundun did not fall to the Spanish, it will eventually fall to another colonizer. If I am not recalled it wrong, Portuguese at that time somehow understand the mandala concept. What they did to the local polities was offering a protection, a similar manner like the mandala relationship, in exchange of trade monopoly. They only interested spices, but not made many permanent settlements or converted the natives.
Tundun, like several Southeast Asia kedatuans, will eventually asking Portuguese military protection by its own if they facing any visible Japanese influence (and threat). Any war between Tundun and the Japanese will led the former into stronger relationship with the Portuguese or other Western powers, but not Spanish.
Nope. I do not have any discord so far XD
When you said about that independent ATL Philippines, is that mean it will be ruled by a Chinese dynasty or simply colonized by the Chinese royalists? The former is almost improbable, but there were so many so cases similar with the latter one.
Well, Candies, in an alternate history community you can do everything. Of course I can not agree about your scenario for there is never any case that said the Chinese ever established any imperial dynasty outside of their homeland. Not even the royalists. Koxinga established the Kingdom of Tungning as a safe-haven for the Ming loyalists, but did not declared himself as an emperor as he swore his loyalty to restore the old dynasty in the mainland. Same case happened to the Lanfang Republic in West Borneo which swore its loyalty to the Qing.
What Koxinga did in the Philippines in the past was basically kinda similar to the Japanese piracy. His Tungning realm was actually relying on his figure alone. Some historians overrated Koxinga and the Tungning's power, believed that any Tungning invasion can defeat the Spanish. The history proved that when Koxinga died, Tungning collapsed from internal strife.
But again, it is alt-history. You can make anything what you want and I can not oppose it.
Well, I guess have nothing to be said regarding it anymore. I wish you best luck, Candies.
P. S. You can correct me, but I assume you got the name "Hani" from Hani, am I wrong?
No. But I do listen to Sujong's project group, Girls Next Door's Deep Blue Eyes. "Idol Drama Operation Team" is my wish-come-true thing this year. Just imagine, you can have Oh My Girl, Red Velvet, Lovelyz, Mamamoo, Sonamoo and Produce 101 in one show!
By the way, I am more into Red Velvet and Blackpink recently (I am still a Miracle though). Red Velvet's Red Flavor especially is really good and refreshing for this summer (I am currently listening it and has repeating it for about two hours *wide grin*).
I like WJSN too (Luda is my BAE!!!!). But their recent release, "Kiss Me" is not so good compared with "Happy". So, I have a mixed feeling about them (albeit I am already crazy about Luda XD). Well, the reality within the entertainment companies always harsh. Strict dieting, sponsoring, or failed debuts are common stories that we always heard. Some companies are good, but some are also trashy and sinful.
P.S. B1A4's and Oh My Girl's younger-brother group is already debuted. They are ONF. Please trying to watch them and kindly supporting them during this rookie days. Thank you so much. ^_^
I got your message, and I must say this new language you made for your timeline is spot on! Even without you explaining it to me, i can easily interpet its meaning: "no" (I) "one" (am) "likes" (a) "u" (jelly) "die" (donut). Of course, the use of the article "a" for "like" seems like a mouthful, but compensated for condensing "jelly" to a single letter. Looking forward to more like this!
I think you have the wrong number. Please tap the hook and try again. If the problem persists, contact the operator Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess 05:11, August 17, 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the information. I think I can discuss a few things with you-
- India was a fairly developed nation, the term proto-industrialization has also been used for the Mughal empire. India had a developed market and had a well organized market and cash transfer system. Anyways, China was far more developed. As for centralization, Dravidia will soon start the process. For more than 120 years, Dravidia has been developing a unified Dravidian culture and cultural unification has been completed. "The growth of manufacturing industries in the Indian subcontinent during the Mughal era in the 17th–18th centuries has been referred to as a form of proto-industrialization, similar to 18th-century Western Europe prior to the Industrial Revolution." Something I found on wiki.
- I would like to know what are the ways that Dravidia can develop to be there in the 2nd industrial revolution and how to go with commercialization ?
- Dravidia will start using the large amount of trade surplus to provide basic facilities and revive the Gurukula education system.
- Is it the right time to develop a national identity ?
- Can a nation be centralized under a group of people who are heads of different parts of the bureaucracy ? (Because my plans for centralization under the King died after the Deccan revolt)
Thanks again for helping me
Japan to China
First Australia then Burgundy. All the bunnies of the world will be your's! >:)
Damn, I found you here
Siema, maybe you remember me from PB Wiki community. We made discord (ask Bain on his wall for invite). So if you want join, you can. Also I have some questions related to Philippines, not for this place I think.
I am going to go ahead and say in advance that I am going to try to be on, but if I end up sleeping in I may not be able to check discord until 11 AM my time.
In case I don't, I'm going to go ahead and say here that I completely understand the feeling of both of those scenarios, and they are very frustrating for different reasons. I have no idea why the project turned out as it did, but in situations I've been in with that I've always found it possible to bring it back up to at least a B through diligance (which I know you have).
I have to say that giving a gift certificate to a GF for two weeks is kinda lame gift imo, and a pretty cheap way of trying to express whatever feelings he has. I find it interesting that it genuinely concerns you, because usually you don't think about talking to your crushes in a very personal way.
I am very sorry to hear of both things and if I am able to see you on discord I will better express my utmost sympathy. Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess 06:46, May 28, 2018 (UTC)
- Siam dip to China: We want to trade some rice and fruit with you each year in exchange for some metal farming tools and better fishing boats\equipment. We also want to make an alliance with China to.--Katie P Perry (talk) (talk) 22:31, September 12, 2018 (UTC)
=k vs 000 and needle rifles vs Needle Rifles
There are less than five words that use k for thousand. There are over 300 that use 000.
There are less than five which do not capitalize needle rifles. There are over 30 which do.
I'm just trying to standardize everything.
I was working on the new turn now and planning on posting it probably in about thirty minutes. Would you be able to post before that? If not you can post after I make the new turn, and I will have some time after to add new events if needed. Thanks, Vandenhoek (talk) 05:25, January 29, 2019 (UTC)
- would you might help me to establish to built some church and other stuff? message me back in my talkpage