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Tripartite Civil War
Sounds a great potential timeline. Wondering how you envisage the histories of the Egyptian Empire and Azteca? Perhaps the point of divergence in this history needs to be earlier? And would you like a collaborator?
Seamus The Barbarian 00:18, January 16, 2011 (UTC)
Two things: 1. Yes, the Arovians accept the trade agreement. 2. Polotics do not mean much in a way to E.T.L (extra terrestrial life) but thye will interfere with it, you see, in a way peaceful alien nations or neutral Alien nations still need alliances and the only thing keeping the America-Arovian alliance alive is that, thanks to this alliance, the Arovians have millitary bases and land; I think i is better said like this - " Through diplomacy, world powers are formed" BlackSkyEmpire 08:09, January 18, 2011 (UTC)BlackskyEmpire
I am indeed active and ready to play. BoredMatt 02:02, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
I am looking forward to another great map game! CrimsonAssassin 02:05, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
Confirming Here!Baconton 11:21, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
The Aztecs are ready. Can I be confirmed as the Leader of the Aztecs?
The Aztec have taken over most of Mexico and they taken Baja California and Florida. In the map you put me as a tiny little city. I demand the Aztecs be given the amount of territory then they posses.Devil Warrior 19:54, January 26, 2011 (UTC)
I'm sorry that it may seem like i am ignoring your post on my talk page however unless you want me to re-do every single one of my turns then there is nothing I can do.Devil Warrior 16:55, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
Confirming my activity Cloudslayer 01:57, February 3, 2011 (UTC)
Hola, DK. For the next map, could you please add only the lower (original) part of Burgundy, specified in this map, as it seems the rest has been already claimed. Thank you very much. SSS (About Me - Contact) 19:07, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
I guess both of them. Oh, that means I asked Woogers for the Duchy, cause the County seems to in the "unclaimed" part. If there's no problem, I'd like both parts. Thanks. SSS (About Me - Contact) 22:14, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
Maybe my claims were too much (this is Cosman246, who is too lazy to log in), but independence and thirty years is, IMO, too far. 188.8.131.52 06:52, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
I see your point. I'll stop claiming control over them, though I would like to keep a port of trade somewhere184.108.40.206 14:45, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
Can I join the Principia Moderni Map Game? How do I get in? Are they any free countries? Sorry, I'm kind of new to the map games...ZagoriaZagoria 02:39, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
Okay, I'll stop. Sorry. Cosman246 01:32, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
hello, detectivekenny. my name is janusary and i am a racially-distinct member of a prolific barbarian tribe situated many moons 'to the West'. i would greatly appreciate an opportunity to participate and would gladly start with any location you deemed appropriate. thanks for your consideration. Janusary 23:54, May 30, 2011 (UTC)
Is there still time to join? I'd quite like to be Japan, which I believe is going spare at the moment. Thanks, Sevestron 08:52, September 18, 2011 (UTC)
Make Your Nation Map Game
Actually it is not active, only 2 people are playing.
PitaKang 01:54, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
Um...Explain yourself please. BlackSkyEmpire 23:07, January 21, 2011 (UTC)BlackSkyEmpire
- Millitary Tech: Anti-Mech virus chips, 3 new Dreadnaughts (airships)
- Transportation: Unsure as of now
- sorry, but Im a little busy at the moment but I will respnd more..and give you more details on the tech. BlackSkyEmpire 23:25, January 21, 2011 (UTC)BlackSkyEmpire
Kenny, I was wondering if you would like to join this game I made, set during the late dark ages in Britain and Ireland. Feel free to join, just follow the rules. We'll be starting next Friday.
BoredMatt 17:11, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
Principia Map Game
I'm wondering where you got that map I've been looking for a map like that for a long time, one that completely fills in without any white parts. PitaKang 01:33, January 25, 2011 (UTC) Detective, I think your colonization order is wrong. It's unrealistic to have the colonization time by alphabetical order. Fedelede 01:51, January 28, 2011 (UTC) How's about northern Morocco? About 500 miles from Toledo. Also yeah, that is a kinda strange colonization order. Woogers - talk 02:18, January 28, 2011 (UTC) That's still not a good idea. Like, that means the navally under-developed Mamluks will colonize before the great colonizer of Portugal. No sense. Fedelede 02:25, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
Alright, sounds reasonable. I am mainly interested because I have family in the Bihar-Jharkhand area, and the colonization seemed like it would generate an interesting mesh of cultures. So yeah, I can move a bit west. Cosman246 06:00, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
Alliance? Cosman246 06:04, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, we might want to colonize them. If so, I'd like Brandenburg and Northern France :D Cosman246 06:09, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
I read the rules. I said that Portugal could not COLONIZE before the Mamluks. Read my post. --Fedelede 13:12, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
Seems like a fair system to me. BoredMatt 00:07, January 29, 2011 (UTC)
Alliance with Kernow
Care for one? Collectively, we'd be the unstoppable force of the South. I assure that countries taken over will be divvied up in your favor. Something like two-thirds of what we gain goes to you. ;) ARMACHEDES 19:56, January 29, 2011 (UTC)
If possible, I need to talk to you about a few things on the outside channel. Sometime in the next half hour, if possible, if not, anytime after an hour and a half from now. Woogers - talk 15:27, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
Ciao Mr Kenny,
You are a very active user, and I must say, you are very good at these kind of games. I have a plan to take Lombardy and Pedimont, but I must deal with my nations own problems first. So, in times of millitary expansion, Genoa asks you that we import whatever you want from our Exports (See Genoa (Principia Moderni) for full list) and in return you give us a nice little sum of money. This trade will happen every two months, and both of our nations could benefit. Tell me when you are ready.
Grazie, Cloudslayer 06:49, February 3, 2011 (UTC)
(Sorry, mylambisblue is used for Novelas)
Ciao di nuovo, I don't want to sound rude, but could you make me a map of these places as one?
- OTL Liguria
- OTL Aosta Valley
- OTL Piedmont
I would really apprecitate it. I have plans for these reigons with Genoa. Grazie, Cloudslayer 05:35, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
Axis vs Allies (Map Game)
Hey DK, I'm wondering if you want to join in the Axis vs Allies (Map Game), a map game created by me. It's based on the Second World War, in 1933 when Hitler has just taken power. Thanks! PitaKang 00:37, February 7, 2011 (UTC)
Axis vs Allies (Map Game)
The Map Game is starting now. Have a great map game! PitaKang 23:10, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
Hey... keep going with the whole Malaysian conflict...it seems to be leading to a World War!! I'll have malaysia give up against you, though. Batmanary
No...I keep Tenasserim and Pegu...you get the whole of Malaysia... plus in reality the allies so far are only the US and India, and maybe Britain... Italy is allied with you, which means indirectly that East Cuba is and Germany, who are heavyhitters...plus you can always expand in French Indochina and China proper, which is in the warlord era, so heavily disunited.
Lots... seriously though you also have the Dutch East Indies...Use your geographical placement...you can become a naval power... plus French Indochina isn't a mountainous wasteland...it gives you ports in the sea... and imagine holding Hong Kong, which is important for Britain?
It's non-negotiable...plus you now have malaysia which gives you another port to the indian ocean and if you capture Indonesia, you control the whole strait of Malacca...
I'm not sure that Cosman, even though he's the creator, should be a mod. He's been showing severe implausibility as his nation, Japan, and I think that even though he's the creator, he should only be an assisstant until we can determind that he is a plausible, rational person. Also, then what can the assisstant moderator do? PitaKang 00:41, February 14, 2011 (UTC)
Hey DK, I think Cosman should not be a mod for these reasons:
- Displays severe implausibility on map games, including this one
- He's only been here since June, but has only made 56 edits
- Has no active TLs, only plays Map Games
- Seems to not know some basics on History and Sciene
Thanks! Here are my reasons. Please respond ASAP. PitaKang 01:30, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
PS could you check on my Seoul article for Doomsday and give me some feedback? Thanks!
I still can't belive you're Alex..... PitaKang 16:01, February 19, 2011 (UTC)
What the.... Alex told me you were him.... who are you then? Michael? Kevin? PitaKang 22:36, February 19, 2011 (UTC)
Hey Rogue would you like to help me on this TL concerning the location of power? PitaKang 00:35, February 20, 2011 (UTC)
As Mitro said, I deleted the redirect. As for your articles, there is no need for you to have an article for a "Profile of Hanthawaddy" and "Hanthawaddy" as they would both be the same article and as such only exist to clutter up the wiki. Choose one, and edit that - the other will be marked for deletion. Lordganon 12:45, February 21, 2011 (UTC)
And all of the other nations articles for that game, as well as country articles on the rest of the wiki, have both of those things on the same page. I repeat: there is no need for both. Make the choice. Lordganon 04:40, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
Actually, the rest of the articles follow a pattern that somewhat combines the two. Yours is the one that does not.
I do like your attempt to move towards actual articles with your game. However, creating redundant articles is not the way to do it. As for the Conworlds wiki, that is not this wiki. Simple as that.
As for redundancy being a reason for deletion, all you would have had to do is read our deletion policy. There's a link to it on the conventions page. To quote the line: "Copy of an existing article either on this Wiki or another Wiki"
As it stands, you having the two articles violates that.
Lordganon 11:36, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
The one I use is called "GIMP" It's a free program much like photoshop that you can get online. Lordganon 05:05, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
Heh. Yeah, my bad on that one with the size. Saved a different thumb of it than I should have. Though, it doesn't look blurry at all to me, so all's well.
And no, I don't use a Mac. Never have, never will - cant run anything decent on the blasted things.
Lordganon 05:12, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
Way I figure it, the blurry is on you - no one else has said a word, and it shows up clear to me. I suggest looking at your monitor, not my work - the vast majority of "blurry" you see, unless the format of the picture was changed - which it was not - is an issue with your own screen of some sort.
Paint is garbage. Absolutely nothing that comes through that thing ends up intact or not blurry. And it should be pretty obvious by what I said what I use, and what system it's on.
Lordganon 06:03, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
The size is one thing - but you changed the colonies. I've reverted the change, and will update the map to the proper size. Don't mess up a map like that again. Lordganon 04:35, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
Talk on Map Games
Basically, if its a simple note its fine, something pointing out something for people to remember or whatnot. Example being when say the Holy Roman Empire goes to war, a note reminding people that some of the major countries on the map such as Bohemia, Brandenburg, and Burgundy are part of the empire is fine. A note referring people to the talk page for discussion of a point is also acceptable. Questions should be on the talk page, not on the main page. . It takes all of 2 seconds to check the talk page, if they get email notifications it lets them know when the talk page has been changed. If they don't check the talk page thats laziness on their part. Thats my stance on it. If you want to move the discussion as well, thats fine, I'll do it when I see it as well. Although I tend to go through phases of activity so there may be times I miss a whole bunch.Oerwinde 06:11, February 26, 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure if emails are default, but I've never changed the settings and I get them.Oerwinde 06:24, February 26, 2011 (UTC)
India signed a non-aggression pact with Germany, and I doubt Italy will want to restart the war with Britain... so you're basically on your own against the might of the 2 million strong Indian Army, which will take Tenasserim. You will also deal with the US and you have unnecessarily revoked your right to a total blind eye on your conquests in Malaysia and anywhere east of Burma. If you don't edit your post, Siam is literally done. Plus India actually let you do whatever, as long as you don't cross over, plus the French released Indochina, so methinks it would be wiser if you went there instead of being obliterated by a coalition of troops defending their respective land. Batmanary 03:10, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
File move requests
Great idea. I've rather clumsily created a template: Template: filemove. It may need minor tweaking but I've tested it and it seems to work. Category:File move requests has been created to handle this sort of thing. Benkarnell 20:11, March 6, 2011 (UTC)
It doesn't have to be Roman history! It's just that I'm best at Roman History, and you're good at South-East Asian history, so you could write events for Asia. PitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 13:48, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
Personally for this TL, I just created a present-day page for the Mughal Empire. Like that you could just create yours, autonomous from the main page. Batmanary 08:29, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
Your inflexibility with Siam
You say that you have no place to expand and yet wou have Indochina, which is free now, and has traditionsl Siamese domains, Malaysia and Indonesia, and yet you keep going after Tenasserim. I'm not letting you have it. It is my land. Batmanary
And India has pure manpower. Siam cannot realistically have 2 million people in its army. Using those calculations, mine should have at least 10 to 15 million. Totally implausible, and India had the most troops in WWII anywho. Plus I'm not threatening if it is my land. Just saying. That would be like me constantly trying to annex northern Siam. But I am not, so let it go and go after the other numerous places you have for espansion and leave Tenasserim alone. Batmanary
I suppose you could, but those maps would be a touch off - that simulator is not as good/accurate as the other one usually used, http://www.carloslabs.com/node/20
Remember that a lot of major cities were hit with strikes more in the 400kt-1MT range, or even multiple strikes, when using the things, mind. And that neither of the two actually shows the difference between air and ground bursts. Ground = more fallout, but air = more blast range.
Lordganon 07:21, March 12, 2011 (UTC)
A Different History
You don't really have to know much about ancient Chinese history, if you create a China page, it will be a modern nation! However, I really want AS MANY NATIONS AS POSSIBLE, so one will be Ming Dynasty, another Tang, and so forth (It doesn't have to be those two). PitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 01:39, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
Sí, tenía ideas para una Colombia mas grande (tal vez la Gran Colombia?), y me parecería interesante una Confederación Peru-Boliviana para hacerle un rival local. Fed (talk) 13:18, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
| Welcome to A Different History
Actually, what he said was that your map was too big to match the China map. The map by Oer shows what is correct as their 100% controlled territory, with the rest being varying degrees of control as shown in the China map. An any sort of state in any of the destroyed cities violates canon, btw. Lordganon 22:54, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
I am aware of it. But your article explicitly states that there was a alliance of clans, or sorts, there after Doomsday, which is not possible, as you've been told several times. Lordganon 22:56, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
Kenny, you're forgetting the fires. The Thermal Impact of the blast starts fires all over the place, and in crowded areas like China, with central authority in these cities and the country gone, they quickly go out of control. The entire region ends up incinerated.
These articles are meant to show what's happened since Doomsday. Have a closer look at the city articles, besides Seoul and Lexington, for how it would look, and also have a look what happens to Egypt after Cairo gets hit by Israel in 1987.
Lordganon 23:09, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
I'm aware of the geography, kenny - I meant the urban areas, not the countryside. And the rainy season having just ended really makes it worse, because without rain, as when fires get past a certain temperature and size, like forest fires, damp wood, etc. really doesn't make too much difference unless it's being constantly watered.
Kenny, I've told you several times now: The area that the map and Arstar say it controls are the same. Just go off of the two maps that Oer made, which if you look you'll see that Arstar did not take issue, and thus must agree, with, and remember to stay true to Arstar's instructions. He wants me to keep an eye on his articles for him while he's not really around, so I'll keep an eye on ya.
Lordganon 07:31, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
Add at least another 25% to the fire range, Kenny. Hiroshima largely burned out because it ran out of city to burn, while you have more city than that.
Rains aren't constant when it's not rainy season. Rain, when a fire gets to a certain size, even monsoon rains, would only do so much, with fires spreading inside houses, and between walls.
Kenny, the map you made, simply put, did not match the China map. Yours had it too far inland, and did not have the western coast, like both of Oer's maps do. That's what he wanted reduced, and Oer supplied exactly what he wanted, as I've told you more than once now.
Oer's comments refer to the reference you made to Hong Kong being "partially controlled" due to its status as radioactive. Not your map as being "right."
Given the specific permissions Arstar gave you, anything else will be undone. So you know.
Lordganon 08:44, March 21, 2011 (UTC)
Kenny, he said that your map needed to be smaller - as in not as far inland. The maps Oer made are accurate. Lordganon 02:16, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
Well I am not that knowledgable when it comes to martial arts. But a general article on how they may have evolved differently following Doomsday would sure be interesting. I would highly reccomend creating a proposal about it. Mitro 19:48, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
Sure, as long as it doesn't conflict with canon. I have to admit I'm not familiar with martial arts in Tennessee; I would do a google search, identify which disciplines have a presence in eastern Tennessee, then research what their presence in Johnson City, Knoxville, Gatlinburg, et al was like in 1983. From there, you could have the instructors teach self-defense techniques to the general public.
Remember that eastern Tennessee in 1983, and today in the timeline, is probably much more conservative and religious (Christian) than it may be now in our world. Therefore, the spiritual and religious aspects of the various martial arts disciplines would be of interest only to a relative handful of people. Religious leaders would perhaps initially decry the influence of martial arts (google Albert Mohler and yoga for an OTL example). BrianD 17:11, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
Good start. I may tweak it to make sure it's consistent with canon. As it's late here and I'm still celebrating UK's win :) I will put that off until I can get some time to review the East Tennessee article. BrianD 05:47, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
They were desposed in a coup that killed the leadership. Likely most of the higher-up members are in prison awaiting a trial for crimes against humanity for their involvement in the Killing Fields. Likely any official with any involvement with the despicable genocide would be promptly executed in a public area to give closure to their victims. --Yank 02:07, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
Sounds like an interesting idea. If it doesn't contradict canon, I don't see why it would be an issue. Bring it up in the main 1983: Doomsday talk page and see what the community thinks. The mods don't really have any say on content unless it breaks the rules.Oerwinde 05:34, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
Newsrush Instant News
There's a page for instant news. Write some about your countries, and stuff, and contribute! Just type Newsrush in the sidebar, and it should show up. Batmanary
I heard that the User AnonymousHistoryGuy was banned.since he was the admin of the map game 1080 AD, how do i adopt this map game?Collie Kaltenbrunner 08:27, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
I want to kinda experiment with it, could you run one for a join Japan/Joseon invasin of Vietnam, which is being backed by Hanthaawaddy? PitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 22:03, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
No, what I mean is not a real one, just a test one so I can see another example of your system. PitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 22:20, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
True, you may cause political unrest, but yoy can't control player nations, and you shouldn't target individual players. Yank had permission from me to demote you BTW. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 16:50, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
CrimsonAssassin PitaKang has abused his powers as moderator. Nowhere in the Principia Moderni rules does it say that mods can use their powers to spark tensions between nations. They may create natural events/disasters, but not political events. Am I right in believing that CrimsonAssassin PitaKang has oustepped his bounds?
Yank 23:38, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
I was about to say! CrimsonAssassin
I made a mistake and nearly blamed the wrong user. I still think that PitaKang outstepped his bounds when he created a mod event to stir up tensions between nations. The way I see it a mod can cause natural disasters, but cannot manipulate other nations. I think he made himself a candidate for impeachment for that stunt.
Yank 00:08, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
See the PM page. Btw Crimson, I would make you a mod, but you're not very active and almost all of your turns have been expansion. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 00:09, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
I thought I was a mod. CrimsonAssassin 00:14, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
I didn't approve you. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 00:14, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
Since this conversation is about me, I thought I would join in. I didn’t know that I could not create political unrest, I was thinking of the AvA rules. Also, why did Yank make me an assistant moderator instead of moderator? DK promoted me to moderator some time ago. So you have no right to do that. I have reverted your edit. Thanks, PitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 16:38, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
Well, I didn't know that. And besides, all users controlling the Kamlar Union is inactive, and has only contributed for only several turns. Anyways, shouldn't Roguejedi be off the list? He hasn't been active at all. Also, what do you mean I can't target one nation? I created a tsunami at China, Joseon, and Japan, you didn't say anything then. PitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 20:54, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
Well, you can take the next couple weeks or so to learn about moderatorship and then we can discuss promoting you. It is recommended you don't target a single nation for implausibility because it's not proper cobduct. The exception is if they're going against the rules. Rogue was active when he got moderatorship, and was pretty plausible, so now that he is effectively retired, I don't see a reason to take him off, seeing there isn't really a limit on number of moderators. The KU is active for the sake of the three players who own it. Two are on regularly and sometimes they post occasionallly. But I am the one who marks nations inactive, so follow that guideline. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 21:59, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
Sorry to put you on the spot, but we clearly have a problematic situation here. I don't blame the community, because I'm not one for intervening on articles outside my "zone of interest." But I'm becoming increasingly worried about the exponentially increasing size of the arguments on the Castellon article, and I find it is detracting from my time in other areas of life. This may sound unrealistic, but I am also concerned with the time Lordganon is spending, because I hate to waste an hour out of someone's 24-hour day. I really want to just get this over with so I can resume my normal life. Additionally, I have a ton of stubs on 1983: Doomsday, A Different History, and my own timeline that needs to be finished, so I really just want to have enough time to contribute. Naturally, it would be a shame for the article not to be canonized because of all the time spent on arguing, but if it's obsolete, it's obsolete. What I ask from you is to let me know which of mine and LG's arguments are valid to avoid the arguments growing excessively large, put forth your own ideas and propose a compromise if necessary. I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks for your time!
No problem, Kenny, I have more time than sense, lol. I have looked over the arguments, and it appears that is more or less a draw. However, you have not shown just why Peru, or anyone else in the southern hemisphere, would venture to help a surviving town on the far side of Spain. Castellon was far too close to Velencia to have survived without help. The population that survived would indeed be famished by the time help arrived from the developing nation-states that came from the fall of Madrid. I don't see Peru or any other "Western" nation stepping in to help.
That being said, to your request. LG used your own arguments against you, so rehashing those will not work. You have put far more work into your research than he has in rejecting your arguments, so the shame is that no one else has weighed in. Looking at your arguments, I have not seen a compelling reason why Peru would search out a surviving town on the far side of Spain in the first place. It would be far easier to establish trade with Mexico, Texas, or even Chumash.
If you want to develop a another survivor nation on the Iberian Peninsula, Castello would work as well as any place not stricken by Nukes. The mountains would have served as a good shield, and the forests around Castellon de la Plana could be cleared for farmland (with care not to turn it into a desert!) The fear of fallout is largely overblown (literally!) since any radioactive particulates from an air burst would be greatly dispersed. Direct exposure to the radiation of the bomb itself would be nonexistent 30 miles away. The survivors would have to work hard to preserve what goods they had, and begin planning on how to replace them. Fishermen, though a small minority, would begin fishing with a vengeance, and hiring others (paying in fish?) to hopefully become "rich" as a provider of food for the area. Of course, the economy would be reduced to barter as money became next to useless. Meanwhile, fish meal and other fish byproducts would serve as the much needed fertilizer to increase the local produce -- wheat (yes, the area is good for that), potatoes, maize (corn), and especially oats.
Most of your time, I think, should be on where you live - the great nation of Peru. Peru's connections with Japan would be a good place to insert its influence in light of the recent earthquake there. As the powerhouse of western South America, Peru could be a leading player in international relations while Brazil and Argentina (UAR) squander much of their influence on internal affairs. Rich in natural resources, a separate trade agreement with the ANZC might be possible (like the one with the US in our time line). Trade with US survivor states would be possible once the Panama Canal opened. Most notably, trade with Louisiana and Florida would be most profitable. --SouthWriter 18:24, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
UPDATE: It's been a while, but things are looking good on your work with Castellón. As for your recent activity being 'loaded with personal bias,' I would not be too concerned with it. Almost all of us bring in some (or even much) bias when we write our articles. You have tried hard to create a viable city-state and/or province here, and for that, I give it my "thumbs up." LG's objections notwithstanding, I think we need to put this for 'graduation.' SouthWriter 17:12, May 24, 2011 (UTC)
Kenny, this seems to be the sticking point between you and LG:
"Castellón's main attraction is its massive water clock outside the airport, which is constantly monitored in order to keep time accurately for the rest of the world, although very few outside the Iberian Peninsula actually hold to this standard. Castellón has officially yielded to UTC+0, much closer to sunlight time, since the founding of the republic in 1986."
Here is how I would word it as to take away the controversy:
"Castellón's main attraction is its elaborate [size is not as important as accuracy] water clock inside [water clocks need controlled temparatures] the airport, which is constantly monitored in order to remain as accurate as almost any clock in the rest of the world [removes the 'offending' claim]. Though virtually unknown outside the Iberian Peninsula, the fact that Castellón had officially changed to UTC+0 (much closer to sunlight time) - at the founding of the republic in 1986, is being used to promote the idea, at least locally, to promote the adoption of its clock as the standard for international commerce and travel."
Sorry about the last sentence, it is quite complex, but I hope it got everything in. You get the idea, I guess, and I didn't want to make any "minor" edits without your permission. I like the idea, it just needs to be treated as a neutral observer rather than an ardent supporter of the province. SouthWriter 14:16, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
Being A Mod
Sure, I'd love to be a mod. I just don't know when the first time I wrote about Corsica. It just seemed like one of those posts that everyone ignored. I can get rid of the last Corisca refrence though.
Yank 00:34, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
The general rule when it comes to people's location on Doomsday is if you can't confirm they're elsewhere, assume they're at home.Oerwinde 08:05, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
Revolution 2011 Edit
Hello. I hope you are having a pleasant day.
I am leaving you a message to inform you of a new TL I am creating. It is a role playing scenario where you create an individual who has the power to change the world. You can create a person or take the wheel of a current person. With your help, I'm sure this will be the biggest thing to come from this wiki since Map Games!
CrimsonAssassin 21:40, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
- I don't know why I got notice of this post, but I have to wonder how this is "alternate history." When we create alternate history, we try to stay away from such "god-like" things like this. It is, in fact, usually considered "Alien Space Bats" because it brings in things that ordinarily would not be there. And it may be just me, but "Map Games" are a bit too far fetched as a way of relating the genre that most of us love. SouthWriter 00:59, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
Great leader of Hanthawaddy-
How long have we suffered under the heel of the Chinese? How long have our people suffered from the wrath of the Ming? For far too long we have been subjugated to the Chinese, divided amongst ourselves, puppets to the “superior race” of China. For far too long we have accepted and consented to the fact that China was more powerful, is more powerful, and will be more powerful than us. That has gone for far too long, and our nation, our people are suffering. China has grown weak, isolating themselves from the world. So come, brothers, let us rise up against the Chinese tyranny, crush their armies, burn their palaces, put their Imperial Family to the sword and start a new era of peace and prosperity. Come, for divided we are weak, but united we are strong.
Emperor Kim Ji-Myung—Joseon
About your deal with the Ottomans in The Scramble for Africa, the Ottomans accpet.StarkBlack 23:38, April 26, 2011 (UTC)
AlgeriaStarkBlack 23:58, April 26, 2011 (UTC)
We've reached 1520 on Principia Moderni. Souldn't we be getting a new map now?
Yank 18:17, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
South America in 1983
Remembered something today, and checked up on it to clarify. According to canon as listed on the Timeline article, your work, more so on Peru than anything, violates canon. Have a look, specifically for stuff about the Andean Union. I'll be putting it up for review in a week or so if it's not fixed. Lordganon 06:46, April 29, 2011 (UTC)
It has been on the timeline article since long before the SA articles were made, and at the very least Ecuador has a reference to it. Lordganon 14:58, April 29, 2011 (UTC)
Kenny, you have the members of it fighting what amounts to a war, and then agreeing to join in the SAC together? That is not possible, at all. That's what violates canon. Lordganon 10:18, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
Mario Vargas Lleras
I think that they wrote badly the surname. Is Mario Vargas Llosa. :) Just that. jeje --Katholico 15:49, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
US Civil War Map Game
Thank you for taking over this game from me; now since I have nothing to do with this game anymore and your now in charge (sort of anyway) you can chose to do what you want, but here is my opinions/answers to your questions:
- 1: You can update it as much frequently as you want to, it is now your job. I wouldn't recomend every 10 years though as this means you have to do a lot of backreading to make the map accurate. I would recomend every year or two years personally, but its really up to you.
- 2: Now implausability was the main reason I left; I couldn't really think of a good way to deal with it without creating loads of arguements so I decided to leave & continue with my own projects. I say deal with it however you want to, maybe with a vote system or a neutral on-looker or something.
- 3: As for the Global Federation, its your country now so you can do what ever you want with it really. Maybe base it on the state system of the USA or something, but it should be a democractic republic due to how it was founded; to start with anyways...
Anyway I hope you can muster more patientence and understanding then I could; and good luck with you running this game! VonGlusenburg 15:08, May 2, 2011 (UTC).
Oh and on another note, I notice you are also a fan of the idea of a chat box. If you want we could lead a campaign and try to get us one. I've mentioned it in a topic in the Nexus after seeing your interest in it, and I would appriate it if you show your support and we'll get ourselves one VonGlusenburg 15:31, May 2, 2011 (UTC).
Re: Principia Moderni
I understand that you care about the map game, but as for the 'edit wars', I didn't know who was deleting my posts. As for the plausibility thing, I think it's completely plausible, even more plausible than the Spanish defeating the Incans in OTL. The Chinese beating the Incans is plausible because China just has to cross the Pacific Ocean. The Spanish had to cross the Atlantic AND across South America. China has a huge navy capable of taking Inca within ten years.
Implausibility is highly opinionated and I can understand that it varies from person to person. Just keep in mind that I'm not one of those crazy expansionalist people. I had a war with Mongolia, and waited DECADES, expanding my military and improving my interior and relations, before expanding again. I wait for even more years before setting up my North America colony. CrimsonAssassin 16:22, May 3, 2011 (UTC)
That "Spain" guy is still going strong in his implausibility, imo. Thought you'd like to know.
And, if you haven't guessed, wikia is doing IP traces on the India guy, the just-quit Mughal guy, and the Spain guy for me. Again, so you know.
Lordganon 09:05, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
Wow. They did that one fast. They are indeed matches, all three of them sharing the same set of IPs and using the same browser. Lordganon 09:12, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
US Civil War
I think the new user, Ceaser, is a sockpuppet to another user, as all of his contributions have been solely to mapgames, States of America 2 and US Civil War, to be exact. BatsJust to give you some information, Europeans got possesion of Potatoes in OTL after the fall of the Incas, so imagine parts of history where the vegetable had proved invaluble. Also, here are some images I found and if you dont likle them then I can look for more favorable ones. BlackSkyEmpire 02:18, May 8, 2011 (UTC)BlackSkyEmpire
Here. A drawing of Machu Picchu. BlackSkyEmpire 03:02, May 8, 2011 (UTC)BlackSkyEmpire
I think Ceaser is a sockpuppet of Rebelsoldier. Batmanary
There is this new user called Head Chunin, who joined for Principia Moderni.he tried to take over Spain (detail:Spain doesn't exist as a unified country and he posted something about Spain creating a imperial empire, or something like that.) Castille controls all of Spain, and since Woogers, who originally controlled Castille, is inactive since weeks ago, i came here to ask if he can be allowed to take Castille, instead of creating a country which doesn't exist officially, even though he is praticallty just controlling Castille and changing its nameforget about that. i just discovered that he's a sockpuppet.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 15:47, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
Come on, Kenny, Inca Kola overtaking Coca Cola (aka Cola Grande of Cuban fame)? I don't think so. I have tasted Inca "Cola," and it is definitely an acquired taste. Besides, the international rights to the drink are owned by multinational Coca Cola. In TTL, soda drinks are not that common, though, and I suspect that Inca Kola could become popular in many different markets. I'd suggest, though, that you cut back the promotion of the "flavor of Peru" to at least the SAC and maybe Castellón. SouthWriter 03:58, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
I Have a new website, an I want you to become an Administrator on it!!
I have a new website, I would like to introduce map games, please try it out!!
Heres the link, please higlight it and copy it to your adress bar, I am offering administrator status to the first 3 members: alternatehistory.yolasite.com
A Wiki Contributer
New Prinipia Moderni rules
These new rules frustrate me to no end. The reason I didn't make any pages for my stuff is that I couldn't make up good Vietnamese names, as I know absolutely no Vietnamese. I would like some help with that.
--Yank 03:46, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
In the map, how the pixels in the colony are done?i mean, it's the number of pixels and a layer of red-border pixels, or the red-border and the country-respsctive color are all part of the pixels of the colony? it's because i'd like to add the current state of Újfundlandi and Labrador in the map.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:55, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
I hadn't considered a Karen state. I chose the states that I chose because they had defined territories. If you can help with these articles, I would love your assistance.
Yank 15:36, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
Heh. Answered Crim when I heard back from wikia on the matter, since he was the one who asked. Wikia said that Janusary didn't share any connections with any banned users, or the like. Though, I myself am inclined to think that it was still him, just somewhere else, though there is no proof of it. Lordganon 21:11, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
"Sorry Kenny, but I'd appreciate it if you would NOT change the size of Macau and only work on the economics and other aesthetic changes"
Straight from Arstar's talk page. Quite frankly, you've already been allowed by yours truly to do more than you have permission to do. He did not say once that you could do "anything provided I don't change anything that's already there."
So, no. It's not BS. Learn to read.
Lordganon 04:52, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
Map in Principia Moderni
Okay.how about each one makes three maps, and when these three maps are done,the other starts to make the other three maps, unless that they have not time to do it?this occupies like, one month and each one made the same amount of maps.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:22, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
Changes in the map
About the Principia Moderni map, i'd like to warn you that i am going to add the Duchy of Mazovia to the map. until this point it has been considered a part of Poland-Lithuania, when in fact, it was still independent.unless that the mods resolve to unite Mazovia and Poland-Lithuania, it remains a separate state.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:47, June 21, 2011 (UTC)
Okay, but i will have to remove Mazovia from the list of countries available?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 08:16, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
Okay.i've been thinking in annex Galicia from Poland-Lithuania anyway.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:48, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
possible Colonization for vassals
Well, i had the idea of after the war with Poland-Lithuania is done, i thought in creating a vassal state corresponding to the Polish part along with Galicia-Lodomeria.So, if a nation has a vassal state, the vassal can have colonies?If yes, how are the rules for this?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:38, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
However, can i take Burgundy out of the map? (i mean, take out the present color and replace it with the generic color) the user with Burgundy is long inactive and it has no colonies.and, the same was done with the Kalmar Union and Genoa.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 05:42, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
wait;for now (four colonies) the limit is 1250 or 2000.this is for each colony or for all of them?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 06:52, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
Sorry. i thought that the limit was only for each colony.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:16, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
What do you mean with cut down?expand in a less steady rate or stop expanding at all? However, expand more my teritory wouldn't be more implausible than my colonial expansion?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 18:37, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
In 1585, OTL, a volcano erupted in the island of La Palma, Canry Islands (though probably it didn't caused much damage). in-game, La Palma is part of the Canariae Insulae, colony of Hungary.how do i mention that eruption and the ones of 1646 and 1677?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 06:18, July 4, 2011 (UTC)
You have to create profile pages for a vassal state?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 17:00, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
I'll try to find another land, too bad my favorite city in america is Philadelphia, and I see NYC was also destroyed. Seems like all the good places were taken. But i'll continue looking. Marcus/Michael Villanova 10:43, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
I found that the rest of OTL Colorado is not in use do you know the mapmaker for this time line that could draw up that? I'll call it the Free Republic of Denver. Marcus/Michael Villanova 11:38, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
Whoops, I never even noticed that. I'll include Madeira in the new map I'm drawing up for the South Atlantic Islands. And the history of natives inhabitants on the islands is so jumbled right now that we'll have to sort everything out soon. I'll bring your idea to the talkpage, however. Thanks! ChrisL123 02:06, July 7, 2011 (UTC)
I saw your comment on the First Global War, and I will explain the reasons for the large unificartions:
1. the only major Asian powers in this were the Kahanates and the ottomon Empire, which was only a minor rivilry. the other countries are only included because they were attacked by Europeans during the war.
2. In this TL, many power blocks form and quickly dissolve. Countries with rivalries will band together against a common enemy if they feel the need to, even if they don't like it. (think of the USA and USSR during WW2)
Roguejedi 22:22, July 9, 2011 (UTC)
China's Expansion in PM and Other Questions.
Hey, sorry I haven't returned the message you left on my talk page a while ago regarding my expansion in former Incan Territory. I already conquered Inca, but I saw no algorithm of any sort when I conquered them. However, you did want me to follow the rules of expansion.
Also, I somewhat support ONE OR TWO periods of rapid expansion in empires. I mean, looking back at history, Alexander the Great conquered from Ancient Greece to India in fifteen years. Germany expanded even quicker in World War II. The Muslims quickly took over the Arabian peninsula. The Roman Empire was somewhat of a rapid expander. Even America expanded rapidly. I swear I'm not Reb or anything like him (I was the one who caught him), however, I think it is more plausible that a nation can have a period of quick expansion AS LONG AS ITS NOT CRAZY. China already had theirs way back so this doesn't concern me.
CrimsonAssassin 05:03, July 10, 2011 (UTC)
If the expansion lasts only a few years, then I think it is definatly plausible. I support Crimson as long as it does not last for long Roguejedi 23:54, July 10, 2011 (UTC)
My New Map Game
Hey, I just started the Imperialist America (Map Game), and I would like some players to help me out and to start it, tell your friends, I tink itll be interesting. DeanSims 15:52, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
DeanSims has hired me to help with rules (I think that Principi Moderni rules would be good), so I was wondering if you could figure out the expansion rates and colonies, while I work on the other stuff. If you could also provide a map, so that expasion could be in pixels, that would be great. Roguejedi 16:14, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
Principia Moderni (Inca vs. China)
I would like your help with this current "problem", if it needs solution. DeanSims is controlling the Inca, but CrimsonAssassin, that controls China is expanding in Inca territory since a long time ago.However, CrimsonAssassin says that he's invading Inca but he had to use colonization rules, since there was no algorhytm when he entered, but i don't know if there was a player controlling the Inca before DeanSims.he also claims to have conquered the Inca, so he alway refers the Inca as former Inca, even though the map says otherwise (if the inca had ended, they should have been taken out of the map, right?).so i thought that you should check what's happening. when you go to the 1596 section, and see what is happening there.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 21:18, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
- No need for it. the problem solved itself since DeanSims quitted and moved the Inca to another part of Souh America.-Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:23, July 20, 2011 (UTC)
There is the part that i have already mentioned.then, the next turn, he kept insisting, and DeanSims resolved to move the Inca to another part of South America, and since then none of them posted.(Crimson because of he appearing basically unexpectedly in the game, and DeanSims because he traveled and only will be back in four days or so.)and i had recommended him (Crimson) to make another colony to expand faster in Inca territory.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 19:51, July 20, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the notice please fill me in on the details when you get a chance. DeanSims 20:33, July 24, 2011 (UTC)
Tanks for the help, how does this map look, its not quite finished yet DeanSims 17:59, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
OK thanks man DeanSims 18:10, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
Reasons for Invading?
Hey, my internet was down for a while, so I wasn't too active recently. I just got back to see that I was being invaded and I'd like to know some reasons why I am being invaded by Hanthawaddy. I'm sure you'd love for me to be out of the Map Game due to my... stuborness, but is there any other reason? CrimsonAssassin 21:50, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
I need your help with making a algorythm for the China/Sweden/Hanthawaddy/Vietnam vs. Hanthawaddy/China war before this get out of control.how the "Chance" factor is calculated? How we do organize the countries involved? if one side wins, only one country will get all the territory that will be given?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 10:40, July 30, 2011 (UTC)
- About the "Chance" part, the edit when Vietnam declared war was at 23:10 at UTC. how i calculate this?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 17:58, July 30, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, how do i discover the number of seconds?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 19:57, July 30, 2011 (UTC) Now that the Inca entered, how the algorythms stay. should i update mine to the current situation?.Anyway, i will do the Inca x Russia and Russia x China. --Collie Kaltenbrunner 17:56, July 31, 2011 (UTC)
I thought you were going to help me write the article on the Arakan Federation state. What happened?\
Yank 23:30, August 2, 2011 (UTC)
Hanthawaddian-Vietnamese War Aftermath
I see from the map that the territories you said you would give back are not part of Vietnam. I want my Lao and Cambodian territories back, thank you very much. And let me ask you something. Why did you start the war? And why did you start the war by attacking an ally? That's a disgustingly two-faced move on your part.
Yank 13:39, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
Let's just say you shouldn't be surprised that China now hates your guts.
Yank 13:40, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
Colonies (Principia Moderni)
in 1658, if i keep my actual rate and the map game keep existing, i probably will reach the point that i will be making my 8th colony, but the maximum number of colonies is 7. merging two colonies could work to keep the number less than 8?(and, the colonies gain independence after 1700 or 1776?)--Collie Kaltenbrunner 18:25, August 5, 2011 (UTC)
Castellón -- Again!
Hi, Kenny. I know you have gone on to other things where you aren't bothered by administrators as much, but ... are you ready ... I want to get Castellón graduated. It seems that folks think that even with a 23% unemployment rate, the province is too well off. I don't know if they actually grasp the concept of a free trade zone run by multinational corporations and millionaires.
How can we scale back the operations? Can the FTZ be a little less known outside of the western Mediterranean? How about cutting back on the tourism a bit? Perhaps the export of local produce is still a stickler (especially the wheat). I'll try to trim back the adjectives and remove some of the wealth if you want me to. If you want, I'll post my edited version of sections or paragraphs that I think might be reworded to show less affluence. What do you say? --SouthWriter 03:00, August 9, 2011 (UTC)
- Okay, I'm answering here, so I'll know what I've suggested. Though I'm in favor of this being a foreign run trade zone that is successful even at the expense of the locals, I'll read the discussion and put it together in my 'sandbox.' I'll send you the link when when it's ready. SouthWriter 23:44, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry, it took a week but I got around to it. I posted the link on the Main Talk Page, but here it is again. I hope you don't mind if I presented it to the group at the same time. I won't change what you've written without your permission though. SouthWriter 21:13, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
Algorythm Sweden vs. Japan
How do i do this algorythm if is a Japanese colony who is fighting?i must make a algorythm for Anglo-Germany and Poland against Japan?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 11:23, August 14, 2011 (UTC) But how the algorythm is done if the country itself is at a considerable distance of the location of war?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 19:53, August 14, 2011 (UTC)
Axis vs Allies
Hi, DK. As you may know, the original AvA is sadly defunct. The end had dissolved into a quagmire of space race, sports, inventions. In short, it was a hell of a mess. However, I have created a new AvA, the Axis vs Allies Revised. I am not going to allow what happened to the original map game happen here. As of such, I invite you to be part of my map game AND to be our official mapmaker, as you have a talent for maps. I will also allow you to be a mod. Once again, I invite you to the new, improved, and revised version of Axis vs Allies. Sincerely, PitaKang- (Talk|Contribs)
Nomination for Constable
Hi, Kenny. I can't see in the history of your talk page that PitaKang has asked you if you wanted a role as a 'minor administrator' which we call a 'constable.' Your acceptance and reasons why are required. I jumped the gun and put a line under 'Supporters,' but I must admit that I was reacting to LG's jumping at the chance to object. I plan on removing the supporter status and putting a note in the 'Discussion' section. I read the requirements, I saw that primarily the Constable is one who has been 'policing' the wiki for improper behavior. You have not done any of this, so I'd Pita nominated you as a friendly gesture, not having paid attention to the requirements.
I plan on stating two points - that above and the fact that you never accepted the nomination. If Pita contacted you off-wiki, let me know, so I won't be incorrect in my retraction. I stand by my support of you as an editor, but don't feel that you are doing, or even want to do, policing of the wiki. I admit, it is not pretty work, and I began as a Lieutenant rather than a Constable.
I await your reply before taking further actions. SouthWriter 21:16, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
Okay, I still haven't seen where you handled sockpuppets, but I was just scanning subject lines in the history and I have no reason to doubt you. Now that you have accepted the nomination, and have a good word from Yank for your management of the map games (something with which I am not familiar anyway), I will not remove my support. I wish you the best in the nomination process. Remember, LG is but one admin and you know which side I fall on when it comes to the history between you two. :-) SouthWriter 04:38, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
Map of 1635.
Well, every day i update the progress on the map.probably the 1635 map comes before 8:00 UTC, as almost always happens. Anyway, a question; 1hen you got a vassal state, and it expands, this counts as a full turn?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 16:33, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
The problem is that these nations cannot rely on any superpowers, or, at least, Great Powers. As a result, they MUST rely on themselves. I don't say of expanding, I say of joining. Like joing a chat group. Laptop Zombie 04:05, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah.. you can give it to somebody else
Alexanders 13:05, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
Currently, Naples on the Principia Moderni map is a very dark brown, so dark that it is hard to tell it apart from black. I think a slightly lighter shade of brown, or even better that yellow shade you had previously, might show up better. LurkerLordB 02:42, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
Colonies part II
So, i'm planning in make a new colony this year (1639), but since Hungary is entangled in the Mughal war, i should make a new colony seeing that i may conquer Mughal territory and it will eventually be a colony?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:44, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
Eh,Go ahead and give everyone all the land I control. Other players should have the chance to expand so go ahead and yeah I'm done participating in the game, other then looking for historical errors or implausibility. BlackSkyEmpire 00:20, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
Would you be interested in a joint attack on China with me? If not, then I’ll call it off. I’m pretty sure that if we amp up our military for the next 10 turns and China goes into a civil war, it’d be pretty feasible. PitaKang- (Talk|Contribs) 00:39, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
We need to do something about Janusary. He used to be only a little self-centered, but since his fortunes fell in battle he's become absolutely impossible to deal with. He's lost his already questionable grasp on plausiblity. He's been writing extremely condescending and not to mention impossible replies to everyone's posts. He revived and deified his Emperor twice. He wrote about "sidewinder missiles" (which I turned into fireworks). He replied by saying that he mounts a secret (not to mention impossible) takeover of Vietnam just to spite me. He mocks and belittles nations far greater than his. He is attempting to manipulate events to his atvantage, and is trying to win the war, the algorithm be dammned. He has become a vandal nearing the levels of Catherine or Owen. How are we going to respond to Janusary's troll-like behavior on the map game? It's not like he didn't do this before. He's written belittling comments before, which were in the form of his Emperor at the time spewing his foolish nonsense to a sleeping harem girl. He has not changed one bit, and we need to do something about it.
Yank 22:17, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
Just so you know...
I saw on the talk page you thought that I was controlling the Holy Roman Republic, that's some other guy, not me, who is doing that. He's an anonymous IP address, and he hasn't edited for a couple days, so he may never come back. Just making sure that the next map doesn't show Naples controlling all of Italy... LurkerLordB 00:22, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
Itsaygahan Client Kingdoms in Principia ModerniaThe map should look more like this.
Mayab (Principia Moderni)
New Map Game
Hello, Detectivekenny. Seeing how plausibly you play on Principia Moderni, I was wondering if you wanted to moderate a game I made set in 200 AD (We need a classical map game). It is called Cras ut Superstes. It's got a new system of stability that I was hoping to try out. I can't wait to see it played.
CrimsonAssassin 23:32, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
Congratulations, you are now a Constable in the TSPTF. This allows you to showcase the TSPTF membership badge on your user page. Furthermore it gives you the rollback power on this wiki. In the History page of an article you will notice a new option called "rollback". This is an anti-vandalism tool. It allows you to quickly undo edits in case someone has made more than one edit to a page. By clicking rollback it will immediately revert the article to a time before the offending editor edited the page. This is your most important duty. By agreeing to be a constable, you are promising to do your best to patrol for vandals and trolls.
When you get the chance, please go to the TSPTF page, and sign up for some responsibilities. In reality, none of us have the time to devote to all of the duties that are expected of an administrator of the wiki. You are expected, however, to sign up for at least three responsibilities listed in that section. These are duties that you are agreeing to carry out to the best of your ability every time you are on this wiki. I'm hoping that by doing this the members of the TSPTF can efficiently share the work load of the wiki and gives us time for the real reason we are here. Since you are only a constable and do not have the power to delete or block, do not feel obligated to sign up for any duties you do not have the powers to do. Please inform and respect those in a position to do so if you see a problem that involves a needs for either of those things.
Again, congratulations on being elected to the TSPTF and good luck.
Lordganon 01:24, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
- Congratulations, Kenny. I am looking forward to working with you.SouthWriter 01:58, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
Second Hanthawaddian War/War of Hanthawaddian Sucession
I just want to know how you are going to score the Vietnamese-Hanthawaddian portion of the coming war. I have a few factors that may swing the conflict in my favor.
- The Vietnamese are prepared- I was caught offgaurd because the war happened while I was camping.
- The Vietnamese are better armed- The Vietnamese have gone through several campaigns of military expansion and improvement.
- The Vietnamese are focused on Victory- The Vietnamese are still smarting from the defeat in the First Hanthawaddian War, and a sizable percentage of the population are baying for blood. They are also fierce supporters of Jayadeva, which means that they believe that the war is a chance to place the "true" heir on the Hanthawaddian throne.
I request that, in the event that I do win, that Vietnam not only regains the territory taken from it in the last war, but a good chunk of Hanthawaddian territory as well.
Yank 00:58, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
Then I'd settle for just regaining lost territory.
Yank 04:07, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
I didn't undid your edits.see, everytime that i complete the map for, let's say, 1640, i keep the map and edit it according with the posts until the next time that we need a map, 1645.i didn't even knew that you would edit the 1645 map until you warned me..--Collie Kaltenbrunner 10:50, September 9, 2011 (UTC)
My Sincerest Apologies
I'm truly sorry for the regretable comments I made earlier on your talkpage. I have Aspberger's Syndrome, and at times I find it hard to control my temper. I will do anything you want if it would get my nation it's former territory. And what's a "bung mas" tribute, anyway?
Yank 20:21, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
I basically had smoke coming out of my ears when I read that I was to lose again, especially when the candidate I worked so hard to suppor turned around and stabbed me in the back. But I am now "cooled-down" enough to regret my words, and wish to bury the hatchet. I wish you had explained what I needed to do before I got all hot and bothered.
Yank 20:27, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
Dude if your telling the truth then I completely understand your actions, inside out. Incase anyone thinks your lying, that is, otherwise my post is a little hello.
Kunarian 20:32, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
I just thought it was unfair that all my effort would come to mean nothing, and that the Hanthawaddians would just steamroll over the Vietnamese like they were made of paper. I'm sorry if I disrespected your work, but I would think that a nation as determined to win as Vietnam would have a higher chance of victory than just a piddling 18%. As I said before, I will do anything that results in my regaining of the lost territory.
Yank 20:47, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
And how was the Second Hanthawaddian/Ramanian War "Life or Death"? I was, and still am, perfectly happy with the portion of Hanthawady I had occupied. I only continued to invade to support Jayadeva. Seriously, what's a bung mas tribute? How can I do it if I have no idea what I'm supposed to be doing?
Yank 20:58, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
Yank, I accept your apology. However, this does not excuse your actions, as you are still expected to uphold high standards as a player and mod of this game without exception. Erasing messages and spamming are also extremely undesirable. Just look on the talk page and there is a few deals which you erased. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 23:13, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
The reason I didn't complain about the algorithm it that I'm too terrible at math to even understand the algorithm.
Yank 04:58, September 11, 2011 (UTC)
And you're banning me because of one incident? Unlike Janusary I don't make it a habit to do things like that, and I have said that I have regreted my actions.
Yank 05:00, September 11, 2011 (UTC)This is how much I want to take from Hanthawaddy. I think you have enough space to compensate. ANd let me ask you something. WHy did you invade Viangchan when I had Pegu in my possesion?
Yank 05:09, September 11, 2011 (UTC)
Okay, stop posting in so many posts, it's becoming hard to follow. I've warned you about that several times. If it's some attempt to raise your edit count then cut it out.
I'm not banning you, it's a temporary block to help you understand the standards of the game. And its not like you've been innocent all this time. You've had several occassions of rudeness towards newcomers, editing posts on previous years, taking 6+ per turn, and some implausibility. While I'm willing to forgive, there has to be a high ethical standard observed by a mod. Also, if you're going to debate your blocking, do it in the appropriate area, on the talk page.
It goes without saying that if you make no attempt to understand the algorithm, you have no right to question it. And the math isn't that hard; it's all 4th-grade level, it just takes a bit of thinking.
No deal on the map. Take all of Burma or none of it. What if I were to invade your country and take only Hanoi and the surrounding area? You are attempting to take Monland and leave the rest, an insane enterprise in a large ethnic Mon country. Doesn't work like that. Go by the map I put on the talk page. It's a dead giveaway; don't try to bargain. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 05:51, September 11, 2011 (UTC)
I have abandoned my claims to Lower Burma and I have disbanded the sathu.You do realize, however, that all your other demands/conditions are extremely hard to swallow. None of them are reasonable. While I can understand the Mon rights thing, but they take them pretty far.
Yank 23:46, September 11, 2011 (UTC)
Does it appeal to you? Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 02:07, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
I like it. I think we can both walk away happy this way. I just have three questions.
- What do the red areas on the map mean?
- Why is there an isolated area of Vietnamese control in Hanthawaddian/Ramanian territory?
- About how much territory would I have in Southeast Asia? I want to put my nation's area on the nationpage.
Yank 02:28, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
- The red means kingdoms in Vietnam that are going to be ruled by Mons.
- That is Toungoo/Kawthoolei, gift from Hanthawaddy to Vietnam. Seeing there's nothing I really need on the other side of that, I uploaded a new map that shows it at not isolated.
- 1,623,600 is a rough estimate. Although it doesn't make a difference considering the time period. Not like anyone can go all over the country to make accurate surveys, especially in harsh areas. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 03:21, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
As long as the Mon kingdoms follow Vietnamese law instead of Ramanian. Is Singburri shrunken? I had planned to use Krung Thep as the capital of my Thai Province. I thank you for your generous gift. I hope that this time the peace between our two nations can be permanent. The Vietnamese can walk away thinking that they won, and so the resentment caused by the loss of the first war can be avoided. This means it'll be a lot easier for the Vietnamese-Hanthawaddian relations to go back to normalcy.
Yank 03:47, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
Singburi lost control of its major cities after Hanthawaddy invaded, so now it's basically OTL Singburi Province. Hopefully the Sadhuim government can get along with Vietnam. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 03:58, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
I have a surefire way for the new Hanthawaddian dynasty to get along with the Vietnamese. We have the current Emperor die of a stroke or other illness, and have the crown prince take power. Since his bride-to-be is the Hanthawaddian Princess they would definitely treat the Vietnamese a little better. Plus we could have Jayadeva becoming good friends with the crown prince.
Yank 04:21, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
Re: Aztec Invasion
Thanks for letting me know. I didn't know if the algorythm applied to the two nations since they were in disarray or worse. Anyway, I would be happy to share Mayab with Hanthawaddy. China is just being cold towards Hanthawaddy because of the current ATL emperor (He had a serious thing against Hanthawaddy). Once he drops off, his heir, who is more of a trustable guy, is going to open relations with Hanthawaddy back up.
Regarding what portion you want, it would be tactically and economically damaging if territory is sandwiched in (like if I owned Central America and Northern Mexico and you owned the Yucatan from Atlantic to Pacific for example). I was thinking that if you owned Panama and more of Central America, you would have room to expand south into South America. But it's your choice, honestly.
CrimsonAssassin 12:39, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
About the new algorythm;
- If you don't have any idea of demographics for a foreign country, how you're gonna know how is the population for your own country?
- What kind of improvement?and, if it is economic, how can i know how the economy will improve (in my case, something about economy of the kingdom of hungary is almost impossible to find.and even then, after 1526, it would be useless)
- in the part of having no idea about the resources, i talked also about the colonies. the only thing that i know in allthose areas is that the area of Öböl which i still will colonize has gold. only that.
About the map;
- Can i unmark Burgundy on the map?
--Collie Kaltenbrunner 08:43, September 17, 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, the talk page is screwed up.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 08:06, September 18, 2011 (UTC)
Scandinator is complaining constantly about the fact that he annexed West and East Doitsochihou.so, i wanted to ask if he annexing east doitsochihou is plausible, or i should make a algorythm for this again.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 13:40, September 18, 2011 (UTC)
Hellow Kenny, this wiki is great! (it's a pity that my level of english is so lower :P) But i'm enjoining the wiki, and the Map Games (P.D: OUR map game in spanish re-iniciated the last week). Any doubt, i'll ask to you for it (well, not ANY doubt). We will see, i suppose.
P.D: What do you think about my history, Regnum Argenta? --Galaguerra1 20:23, September 18, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! I messaged the moderator of Principia a few days ago - no reply as of yet. Should I just go ahead and add my name on the countries list? Sevestron 08:49, September 21, 2011 (UTC)
It's getting about time for a new map, and eventually Scandinator will claim (he is doing it right now in 1663) to have annexed all of Western Doitsochihou.the turn when he claimed to have conquered in the 1620-1630s (he tried two times, and after only annexing Frisia, he tried again.he spent two turns capturing 500 sq km , and then posed, claiming to have annexed all of Western Doitsochihou), but, that conquest was plausible? should i give all Western Doitsochihou to himm make another algorythm (the one from that second attempt was not done) or ignore him and leaving things the way they are (he only would own OTL Frisia)?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 18:37, September 21, 2011 (UTC)
Principia Moderni (Burgundy)
Hola, no sé si me recuerdas xD. Soy de la Wikia hispana y mira me gustaría decir una cosa. Yo en principia soy Borgoña (Burgundy) y coloqué que conquiste hace tiempo el sur de Flandes (hasta ahora, que ya dije que esta completamente conquistada tras 5 años de guerra) pero en el mapa no se actualizó ¿Lo tengo que colocar yo o se encarga el MapMaker de ello?. Saludos! y siento mi inglés que es malo :D. (Jaeden Cuenta Cuentos 09:12, September 24, 2011 (UTC)).
I'm finding the antics of Kunarian increasingly infuriating. How can the Venetians aid the Irish when I've established that the Irish are a pack of murderers? Can I count on Hanthawaddy's asistance in this war against hypocrites and murderers?
Yank 20:43, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
Somebody can settle these Vietnam-Venice affairs? it's getting out of control.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 21:10, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
Theres no real problem, theres only the fact that Venice pre-emptively struck down a potential Vietnamese invasion and drove the thought home to win early, which naturally Yank is going to not like and find annoying. Besides the conversation is still within adding to the game, however could quickly go off board. I will tell you when I think that happens but you'll probably have picked up on it anyways Kunarian 21:15, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
It should have been impossible to invade Furansuchou sucessfully. I had turned the colony into a fortress, and there was a large fleet in the harbor. Not to mention the fact that I've done much more work expanding and improving my navy than Kunarian did. I still think he stuck his nose where it didn't belong. He could have at least had the common courtesy to wait to the proper time.
Yank 21:24, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
First we have an algorithm for a reason. Now onto the conversation, the colony as much of a fortress as it was and as much of a fleet that it had would not be able to withstand the assualt of the majority of the North Italian forces. My Fleets are huge and even your large one would have been heavily outnumbered. Plus I'm trying to keep it realistic by not improving my military with new technology every turn. Also common courtesy does not factor in when it comes to invading countries. It is not common courtesy to invade countries so how can you expect some back, besides Venice attacked because Vietnam ignored it and continued to militarise. And waiting the proper time? this isn't supposed to be a game where you go "I will attack your ally then and you can't do anything, you just have to wait" its one where you do something and I react to it, to create an interesting play for all. Kunarian 21:32, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
Kunarian had previously shown no ties with Ireland, and yet leaped to interfer when I planned the inavsion. As far as I'm concerned Venice still had no damn business interfering with my plans.
Yank 21:44, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
When did you show ties before the time you simply said that they were murderers and then condemned them to a delayed war? It doesn't really matter if you are concerned in some ways as Venice has seen itself concerned with Ireland, has intervened and then retalliated to continuing Vietnamese build up. Kunarian 21:47, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
Seriously stop the arguing. Weird/illogical stuff happens in history. I reverted Yank's post because it was clearly just hate-filled and rude. I'll do the algorithm if both of you (mainly Yank) decide to calm down. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:10, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
I have done the Algorithm and its fair if you ask me, I didn't boost myself unfairly nor make him weak unrightly. Its a just algorithm. Kunarian 22:14, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
- Okay, but I can't follow your math. Can you show your work? Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:17, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
- I'd be happy to oblige, which part is giving you trouble? Kunarian 22:18, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
- Chance. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:19, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
- I posted the declaration at 08:41:47 and so when I times all the numbers together I end up with 896. Then I took the posts at the time of attack which was for me 124 and Yank 6668 and proceeded with the standard algorithm proceedure of divide and then time by pi. Kunarian 22:23, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
- Okay. Keep in mind the larger number always goes on top, and since it's a percentage, 5.6 might be read as 5600%. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:29, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
- I see. Thank you Kunarian 22:34, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
I've calmed down somewhat. Though I still intend to invade Ireland.
Yank 22:47, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
If this is what happens when you say you aren't going to touch the mainland then we need to change it to a full on war considering that I invaded every colony, the french land cannot be counted seperate from the rest of the empire just because it would damage him Kunarian 22:58, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
How plausible is it for him to invade everything and succeed? I'd be willing to give part of Furansuchou, but I am not willing to lose my entire colonial empire. Besides the algorithm says I only lose a fifth of Furansuchou, and not the entire kit and kaboodle.
Yank 23:03, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
The algorithm gives me right. The only reason you are calm and ready to give F**KING 19px is because its nothing more, besides the war encompassed your colonial empire and this war was a retaliation to your aggression against Ireland. You should not be planning to attack willynilly if you can't deal with consequences! Kunarian 23:10, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
You really are a spiteful bastard, are you? I am only willing to part with part of Furansuchou. Nothing more.
Yank 23:12, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
Too bad. by the way your the spiteful bastard who can't take it if they lose. You look back at your posts and you are screaming and kicking because you knew that your empire was going to be taken apart. You can't do anything agianst the algorithm. also do I remember the time when you kicked and screamed cause DK beat you in sucessive wars, only calming when he offered you territory back? Do you remember that when I was attacked early on, I thought I was done for but didn't spam his page with rants over how unfair it was. However this is an injustice to say that after all that I'm only entitled to 19px. Kunarian 23:18, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
Guys stop I can't keep up and my edits keep conflicting.
It has never happened that a country has taken small parts of multiple colonies in history. Feel free to conduct like 6 different wars. But otherwise, pick one.
Yank, that comment was uncalled for and only hurt your cause. I'm not sure how you can think of using foul language in the game. I am not going to be your psychiatrist, but seriously consider some forms of anger management. May I suggest you typing your entire argument, swearing and all, and then directing your attention to the small x at the left or right corner. Also, it's been shown that the two best ways to solve anger are either to solve the problem or just wait. If it's not nice, don't say it. I am removing you from modship until you can improve your attitude. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 23:23, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
No. It's an injustice that you waltz into a war that you had no business interfering in, and expect to be handed a large slice of my Empire. I will not stand for that travesty of justice. Your precious Irish allies? still a pack of dirty murderers. You could have chosen any nation to ally yourselves with. Why did you decide to ally with Ireland?
Yank 23:26, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
Anything as long as you both agree. But for now just wait until tomorrow when both of you are calmer and you can talk onthe talk page. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 23:34, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
They wouldn't die. Irish culture and language would continue even in the face of Vietnamese colonization. I have written Vietnam to be very tolerant to other cultures. But yes, I would like this war to be rolled back.
Yank 23:36, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
Ok lets roll this war back and wait a little longer. Kunarian 23:39, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
- As a note here, Kenny, if they start this up again, I will be dishing out warnings, etc. There is no need at all for any of it. So, basically let me know if they start it again, etc. Lordganon 08:40, September 25, 2011 (UTC)
So, i'm at war with the Ottoman Empire.Venice is supporting me, and by myself, i got more than 10,000 px.but, Venice made another algorythm.i thought that if there are four nations at war, and two made algorythms for themselves, the other should make their own algorythms too.he only claimed 1671 pixels, so i can simply mix his gains with mine, since i'm already making the 1680 map, and there still are spare pixels of territory to be given to Hungary.and he himself said that we could gain more territory like that (making two separate algorythms).this was before France entered on the war, but the Quetion is; should i disregard his algorythm, and subtract his 1671 pixels from the 10603 pixels that i have right to?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 16:31, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
Well, so we reached a near-agreement.there will be some states formed on the eastern part of the empire, and in the balkans too.but about the algorythm, if you win by a margin enough to overthrow the government of your enemy, you only will have right to gain the algorythm-determined number of pixels or more than that, if you want?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:20, September 29, 2011 (UTC)
Hey, I've finished three algorithms (one every five years) for each nation I'm fighting, but I just want to run an okay by you. Also, I've been thinking: China, a nation with a great navy and a military with great guns and heavy hand-to-hand combat techniques, would NOT take 20 years to conquer a nation without guns. Just wanted to say that. No offense meant towards you or the algorithm.
CrimsonAssassin 02:59, October 5, 2011 (UTC)
Honestly it's fine. The Aztecs have been having relations with outside powers for awhile, and more so for the Mayans, so they would probably have picked up guns just like every other country that's had relations with the Europeans. The Spanish conquest of the Mayans took 170 years, even though the Spanish had guns. That was mostly because unlike the Aztecs, the Mayans had no single power base, like Tenochtitlán. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 03:59, October 5, 2011 (UTC)
If you stop complaining maybe I'll let you get your territory early. :) But thanks for letting me know. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 04:01, October 5, 2011 (UTC)
Oh wow. I did not know the conquest of the Mayans took that long :s . Anyway, I'll just stick to the algorithm. Sorry if I caused any trouble. CrimsonAssassin 00:55, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
Spain (Principia Moderni)
Now that Eldwolf has been banned, Spain will be returned to grey color on the map, or it will enter on civl disarray?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 08:36, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
Civil disarray, how it was before. There have been a lot of famines and plagues. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 19:20, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
I know the way Principia Moderni is played. I wanted to show Queen Christina as an abitious, peaceloving yet blind character. Her decision to allow the Dansih royal family to resume power will be her downfall. Denmark will revolt from Sweden's control after their military starts to level with Sweden's (about 1695) and they will use Swedish technology against Sweden. Queen Christina will die at the start of the war and Denmark will seem to win until a successor is brought out (to add to the confusion several members of the Swedish royal family will be killed by Danish forces).
Gracias, DK. Ahi veo los tamaños del mapa :) --Galaguerra1 17:21, October 11, 2011 (UTC)
Can you give me a example in how to do a algorythm when one of the countries is on civil disarray? is because i can't correct those Sino-Mayan algorythms without knowing how to do it.i mean, what "A+(1-A)xB+(1-(1-A)xB)xC)" means?how does it translate to numbers?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:53, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
I still did not understood.my attempts to do that eventually got to 0. There are the results, by the way;
- 1 - 15,15
- 2 - 9
- 3 - 18,84
- 4 - 23,28
if i understood well, i take the first, subtract it, add the second, subtract it, and repeat the procedures.I think that something is wrong with my line of thought but i really can't understand precisely how to do it.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 21:00, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
- Country loses 15.15%.
- Country has 84.85% remaining. Nine percent of that is 7.64%, leaving only 77.21%.
- Country has 77.21% remaining. Times this by 18.84%, and that is 14.54%, leaving only 62.67%.
- Country has 62.67% remaining. Times this by 23.28%, and you get 14.58%. This leaves only 48.09%.
Since 48.09% < 66.66%, China has fully conquered the country.
You can do the same calculations for the Mayans.
Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:02, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
DeanSims has come back, and he posted this; Seriously.he did absolutely nothing for weeks, his nation fell into civil disarray, and now he conquers Manoa and Onguayal out of the blue, along with most of South America, and in top of it, invades Aztecs and Mayans while in disarray.So I need your approvation to NOT add his gains to the map.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 17:20, October 16, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I approve, remove the map from the page. But you don't need my approval to nullify anything, especially if it's this grossly implausible. But make sure to at least let the player know so they can change it if necessary. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 17:31, October 16, 2011 (UTC)
I don't know if he will change. look at his post; "Incan Empire: The modernization of the Incan Military and Navy are coimpleted [sic] as well as Industrializing the Empire. The Chinese attack on the Aztecs is applauded as the Aztecs were getting to strong and becoming a possible threat to the Incan Empire. The Incan Navy begins to blockade the Aztecs southern Pacific coast and marines land, occupying OTL Veracruz on the Gulf of Mexico. More Incan troops are called up to help the Chinese and conquer the Aztecs. Below is a map of the Incan Empire (have in mind the 15+ years of cultural/military expansion and the attack on the Aztec by Incan troops and that the Aztecs are preoccupwith [sic] the Chinese), :ALL European colonies are still there and there borders are respected." --Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:46, October 16, 2011 (UTC)
In that case just keep on deleting his posts until he can come up with something reasonable. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 21:00, October 16, 2011 (UTC)
If he keeps on trying to make unrealistic posts despite the Moderators undoing them, ought he to be banned? LurkerLordB 21:03, October 16, 2011 (UTC)
If he's being uncooperative then yes, but we haven't had much problem with him being uncooperative. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 21:08, October 16, 2011 (UTC)
Stability on Principia Moderni
I suggest that the stability for PM is reorganized and tidied up in preparation for its start in 1700. I could try it but I may mess up so it would be better if you or another full moderator fixed it up. Also do I put my name in for assistant mod??Scandinator
Go ahead and tidy it up. Just keep the power*stability model and make sure everything is as logical as possible. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 21:52, October 18, 2011 (UTC)
How a algorythm is made when a colony is at war with another country?How the military expansion is calculated? and how the final result is calculated?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 06:48, October 18, 2011 (UTC)
Refer back to the Mon-Kulin war. For colonial settlers, expansion is usually negated because expansion is usually accompanied by another form of growth. Also the main power base serves as the capital, assuming the conflict is localized. If it is not localized, then use the capital city of the colony. However, colonial settlers don't get as much population. Basically everything applies to the colony and not the home country. Use your best judgment. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:00, October 18, 2011 (UTC)
But how do you make military expansion on the colony?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 06:51, October 19, 2011 (UTC)
Any posts relating to military expansion in general "not regional" or in the colony can be used. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 23:11, October 19, 2011 (UTC)
Hello there, I am offficially part of the Principia Modernia Map Game. Here is my question for you: Are you an ally or enemy with Vietnam?
RandomWriterGuy 23:03, October 18, 2011 (UTC)
I'm sure you can negotiate a way out of war. But yes, I am an ally of Vietnam. Just don't attack me for it, as I have no interest in controlling Persia. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 00:16, October 19, 2011 (UTC)
Is Kunarian banned for a month or only a few days? I want to know it before I decide wether to invade Ireland or the Mamluks. I just want to prevent another round of Kunarian sticking his nose where I thought it didn't belong.
Yank 02:50, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
I would be glad to help run the game in any way that I can, especially due to the fact that one of the moderators, Pitakang, just left. By the way, I was trying to figure out how the ImageJ color counter functioned. I assume that you click analyze, histogram, and then mouse over the bar that is over the color you want and its the number under "count"?LurkerLordB 03:39, October 21, 2011 (UTC)
One question; you added to the map your gains on the turn of 1695? just to be sure that i won't be giving you more or less territoryy that should be.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 06:31, October 24, 2011 (UTC)
A few time ago, i entered in the Vietnam-Ireland War in Vietnam's side, in trade for the Irish colony on Újfundlandi.since the war is mostly over, can i add the gains on the next map or i must do a algorythm for the conquest of the Irish colony?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 17:12, October 25, 2011 (UTC)
About the algorythm: after a war the military expansion resets?you said that did not, but others said that resets, and knowing it will be necessary for me to do future wars' algorythms.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:02, October 29, 2011 (UTC)
Links in Vicuña of the East
Bueno, eso se debe a que sería uno de mis "deberes" como parte del TSPTF. Yo me anote para las Dead-end pages, o sea paginas sin links. Por eso generalmente estoy buscando paginas sin enlaces (ya que hay un montón en la wikia) para agregarlos... claro, estoy siempre y cuando no le moleste a nadie jeje ^_^U Bueno, y sobre el articulo en sí, debo leer lo ultimo que has agregado a tu historia para hacerme una idea de la situación en Europa y luego poder darte un opinión sobre el resultado. :) Saludos! --Katholico 03:30, October 26, 2011 (UTC)
- Hola Kenny, tengo una pequeña pregunta sobre la Primera Guerra: La Triple Alianza de Peru-Japon-Siam esta en el mismo bando que Felipe V de España? Saludos! --Katholico 00:06, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
- Al principio de la guerra, ambos son diferentes pero durante el curso de la guerra, los dos se unifican contra la banda del Archiduque Carlos. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 04:56, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
- De la banda de Carlos, no participaron ni Birmania ni Dinamarca-Noruega. De la banda de Felipe, no participaron ni Tonquín ni la Triple Alianza. Tampoco los varios grupos rebeldes de las colonias españoles, en los dos bandas. Todos los que participaron en la guerra de OTL participaron en ATL. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:58, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
- Ah ya veo. Si las fuerzas de ambos lados se mantienen equilibradas, creo que el resultado seria similar a OTL, o sea Felipe al final renunciaría a cualquier pretensión del trono francés. Crees que las fuerzas esten equilibradas? Saludos! --Katholico 20:21, October 31, 2011 (UTC)
- Creo que la adición de la Triple Alianza quebraría el equilibrio. Por eso sugiero una unión temporal Franco-Española, y que Carlos es exiliado. Es más divertido así, pero quiero acertarme que es plausible. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 23:29, October 31, 2011 (UTC)
- Si, yo sospechaba en ese punto. A mi me parece perfectamente pausible lo de la unión franco-española, ya que eso pudo haber sucedido. Saludos! PD: Podrias escribirme en mi discusión para la otra vez, por favor? XD jeje Es que de ese modo la wikia me avisa que respondiste xD --Katholico 03:21, November 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Gracias; es mas que nada para poder saber cuando me llega tu respuesta.
- Respecto al tema, yo apostaría a que la unión franco-española pudiera mantenerse por un largo tiempo. Debido a esto pienso que un fenomeno similar a la revolución francesa tendría lugar en algún otro lugar de europa, que reuna las condiciones de Francia en OTL, o sea crisis economica, absolutismo, corrupción, etc.
- A que te refieres con un movimiento similar en Alemania en el Siglo XVIII? Similar a que? jeje Saludos! :D
- ps: Jejeje disculpa si molesto, no es mi intención xD pero todavia no tienes lista la traducción??? --Katholico 03:52, November 4, 2011 (UTC)
Hey DK, I'm concerned over two things in PM currently:
- Itsaygahi's user appears irratically and with stability his empire will collapse by 1721
- Do the NPN's have a stability score?
Also in the current Great Northern War I have no intension of moving anywhere near Kola or your possessions.Scandinator
1) Well that makes sense, as all empires eventually lose traction. We agreed that fully changing your government sets stability back to status quo, so maybe you could notify Mumby. But it has to be a major change, at the very least a new dynasty. It explains how China managed to stay so huge for so long, the idea of hope for a new dynasty.
2) That is up to you. But since stability is going to replace the "how long a country has ruled the area" factor as well as "population," you could just use an edited version of that for non-player nations. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 17:42, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
Mumby hasn't come on since 1693 and before that 1682 and before that 1668. I believe that Itsaygahi should either enter civil disorder in 1721 or collapse into two or three separate states; that is if someone doesn't try to grab it.Scandinator
- I actually like the idea of a country entering civil disarray after it reaches a certain stability. I guess we're setting that at 0 right? Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 23:21, October 31, 2011 (UTC)
- The country hits civil disorder at 100 stability. Most nations have around 1000 to start with. Scandinator 05:03, November 1, 2011 (UTC)
I've told Lx and Scan to stop all of their fighting, pending a decision from you. Something about the two differing on how your system works. So you know. Lordganon 15:21, October 31, 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know. I'll look at it when I get the chance and make it priority. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 20:10, October 31, 2011 (UTC)
Sigh..... Scan did it again, even going as far as posting his "new" result on the game page, despite what you told them and my notes. Really getting out of hand, Kenny. Lordganon 10:08, November 1, 2011 (UTC)
DK, I really need your help with Lordganon. No-one is editing the problems in the algorythm and the result is wrong. Lx added Persia for no reason, Algeria is helping Sweden and Hungary is neutral. No-one has bothered to change these mistakes and when I did LG reverted me. I don't want to go down the same path as Kunarian so please help out. @ Lordganon, I, Scandinator is meant to be the "minister of war" and my job is to fix up algorythms.Scandinator 11:03, November 1, 2011 (UTC)
Don't care one bit what your "job" is. You have been told what is happening, and you are ignoring it.
Kenny, you need to step in and get that thing right. A word to Scan about manners and listening would be nice, too.
Lordganon 11:07, November 1, 2011 (UTC)
Is it O.K. if I establish sea trade routes with you? I just built a new trading fleet.
RandomWriterGuy 21:47, November 1, 2011 (UTC)
I'll make a list on the weekend. I'm flat out with school work (12th grade) and the Great Northern War.Scandinator 04:31, November 2, 2011 (UTC)
Hey dude! Can you give me some headlights on the history of Principia Moderni? I'm actually thinking of joining it, but there's too many articles on the history. I'm pretty expierenced in that, and I like writing. I'd also like to ask, which country could I pick, best for my skills. Much appriciated. Doctor261 13:45, November 2, 2011 (UTC)
I'll be playing as Yemen. By the way. How to understand that:
"attacker's advantage: 1"
? Doctor261 15:14, November 2, 2011 (UTC)
But Russia is currently losing the war, am I right? Doctor261 05:22, November 3, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah. I just don't want to be attacked and killed straight away in the beginning xD Doctor261 05:30, November 3, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah. You've made a really unique game. I like all these algorithms and stability points. Too bad Yemen will have to do a lot to stabilize their stability.
Doctor261 05:47, November 3, 2011 (UTC)
Sounds fair enough. Doctor261 06:22, November 3, 2011 (UTC)
By the way, you should make things like "Current Wars" and "Current Alliances", to make it more understanding. I know it would take some time... But you're here from the beginning so you should know. From my side, it's really hard not to make mistake, because I don't know that much of the history of Principia. I'm still reading all these archives etc. Doctor261 06:24, November 3, 2011 (UTC)
For that port I would offer you 5'000 of well-trained men and freshly grown 2 tons of wheat. Doctor261 06:40, November 3, 2011 (UTC)
Chance in the principia moderni Great war algorithm error found
I just realized that scan made a mistake while counting the algorithm, instead of for sweden calculating 62.936572 he calculated 6293.6572 and instead of for russia calculating 14.59531 he calculated 1459.531, he made a mistake in the placement of the decimal and ultimately the outcome of the war, if so then Russia's chance shold be 9 and his 3 making a clear Rusian victory, check my last comment on the algorithm discussion for how i got thisLxCaucassus 20:57, November 3, 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, Lx, but we are using percentages so 67.28279 is actually equal to 6728.279%. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 23:04, November 3, 2011 (UTC)
very well then, its just in every single other war we didnt so it would make sense that we dont for this one, it was like that in the second, and third russo-swedish wars and all other wars that existed(prety much). LxCaucassus 23:16, November 3, 2011 (UTC)
We did at least every time I checked. If I missed one or two recent wars then it was my mistake. But the very first wars, when I did the algorithm, all use the percentage system, and that's how it is in the rules. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 00:30, November 4, 2011 (UTC)
what i meant to say is that it is basicaly the first time anybody used a percentage, of the answer of the pi multiplication and that i think it has no point, as it is just multiplying by 100 and you can just say use the ten thousandths digit instead of multiplying, chance was calculated by people without the percent thing you told me about untill now so i think we should continue not multiplying it by 100 untill the end of the game or just say use he ten thousandths digitLxCaucassus 00:41, November 4, 2011 (UTC)
You have a point but that doesn't change the result of the war. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 00:44, November 4, 2011 (UTC)
Firstly there is no reason to create it now. Russia and Sweden are in the peace process. The arguments were mainly because it was the first time stability was in and also because of both me and Lx's stubborness. We are agreeing to peace but we still need to determine the terms. Also the OTL wars could last for years. And the main contributor to the arugment is Lx's refusal to hand any land over...Scandinator 05:09, November 4, 2011 (UTC)
Yemen is okay with these conditions. Doctor261 06:44, November 4, 2011 (UTC)
Hathawaddy and Perso-Mughal War
I heard you are preparing for war against the Mughal Empire, so am I. If we work together, we will divide the empire for ourselves. Do you like it?
RandomWriterGuy 18:17, November 5, 2011 (UTC)
Why have the Stability and Algorithm in two separate places?
Both of these are already on the rules page, and they are both more rules-like than talk-page like, as the rules is a page for stuff that is for the whole game, while the talk page is for discussing things among players. Plus they both take up a large amount of space, and the talk pages have been growing really fast lately. LurkerLordB 20:59, November 5, 2011 (UTC)
Don't worry, I promise I will start preparations. I won't tell you when till it comes.
RandomWriterGuy 05:19, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I have connections to the place's in-game. My country is based in and around my hometown.Enclavehunter 13:54, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
Axis vs Allies Revised Map
Remember: I have nuked Japanese bases and its capital. I think I might have gotten the advantage here. In the map, make sure that Japanese Mexico is corporated into the URA.
RandomWriterGuy 03:09, November 8, 2011 (UTC)
Sorry I stopped following AvAr after the first couple turns so I have no idea what you are talking about… Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 05:25, November 8, 2011 (UTC)
re: Tibet Deal
Okay, that sounds great. I was trying to think of ways to make my colony there useful, but you're welcome to it. CrimsonAssassin 12:30, November 8, 2011 (UTC)
Issues with stability
- I believe the tax issue is a good one. However maybe add a category called computerized tax that is 150 points
- The length of the war is determined by the length of time between the declaration of war and the start of a truce on the player's edits. However I agree to delete the wars won and lost, but just keep the territory % won/lost section.
- A curve is great. Maybe peak at 1750 and if stability goes over 2000 for 5 turns, mods create a disaster in the nation, e.g. Venice's arsenal is destroyed by pirates; or, Barbarian tribes attack a Itsaygahian city. These events cause "panic" and the nation falls back to (current stability+status quo)/2.
- I will have to disagree. I understand the policy but we must have a punishment to leavers. However if a player is blocked and cannot post nothing happens to their stability. If a player expands for a full turn it is counted as a non-improvement turn. But military expansion would increase stability as you have a stronger army to maintain control of the nation with.
- One last thing, with 1776 fast approaching, the French revolution made all the surrounding nations attack France who used conscription for the first time to defeat them. What if the first European nation to have a revolution appears to be weak and -50% on their algorythm to trick players into attacking and then on a third turn of war their algorythm increases to 200% of the original value?
The trade route list should be uploaded tomorrow if I can finish it.
Scandinator 23:07, November 11, 2011 (UTC)
How about the amount gained/lost for each turn is multiplied by stability, defined by the formula (2000-C)/1000. So if someone has a stability of 1500, they only get half the rise and fall. This only applies to turns, not status quo or wars. I guess with the wars it kind of makes sense, so you're saying that players who spend more than 5 years arguing get punished?
As for the revolutions, the algorithm only used information from as soon as the war starts, so any revolutions that occur durin the war are void. In fact, revolutions should count as "nearby unrest" and lower the stability.
Okay cool, take your time. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 00:15, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
I was hoping this wasn't going to cause a disturbance. China was going to cool down when the current emperor (one of the longest living and most important emperors of the current dynasty) dies in 1722. He was emperor when I took over the Mayans and Aztecs, so when he dies, China will stop being so war-mongerish. I am sorry if this caused concern and unrest. I am trying to simulate a Chinese Golden Age.
However, I would like to point out that countries OTL (America, Germany, Mongols, Arabia, France under Napoleon, and many more) have had short bouts of quick expansion. If you want a list of the things I plan to do before the emperor dies, rest assured, it is quick:
- Annex Chatgani
- Urbanize just a bit more
- Make more works of art
- MAYBE take some Incan land if others (you, Vietnam) want to split it with me. Otherwise, I'll let it rot.
Again, I am sorry if this caused an issue. It will be resolved shortly. Please contact me if stopping at 1722 is too late. CrimsonAssassin 03:35, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
Color Counter and algorythms
Do you know another program that can count pixels of a color on a map?the first program that you recommended, ColorCounter, stopped working, on the sense that now it only shows the number of colors, and don't shows the codes and how many pixels there are with this color code.and i need to know how many pixels there are to finish algorythms (i.e. how many pixels are 30% of Mamluk territory.)--Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:29, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
Really? I haven't had a problem. Maybe download an earlier version o the program. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:56, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
The Finnish player has entered a confederation to gain Russia's stability level. I was wondering if it works this way or not. In my opinion this doesn't make sense as Finland maintains its own government, laws and policies therefore I believe it should maintain its own stability.Scandinator
Yes, they should each have their own stability. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 22:53, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
For this confederation;each should preserve its own colors or both are one color, at the cost of being listed as one nation on the Key?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 14:24, November 13, 2011 (UTC)
Well last time this happened was around the time of the Kalmar Union, so you can make them the same color but preferably with a dividing line between them. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 18:30, November 13, 2011 (UTC)
The thing is that if Finland is attacked RUssia pretty much has to defend it and in view of that technicaly has its own algorithm so techincaly either way Russia's stability will be used so...in any case, the algorithms will be the same except for military dev.(since the military is basicaly one military with 2 seperate commands, that act together), so lets just keep it simple and use Russia's stability since there is mabe a one-point discrepency, and since naitons are aiding in the fight against the nobles they are also aiding in russia's fight...and if Russia wins they will persue the finnish freedom, so in that logic it just seems simpler to do russia's stability untill finland can get their's up...-Lx (leave me a message) 18:42, November 13, 2011 (UTC)
Just use your own algorithm is all I can say. The game needs to be so that everyone is responsible for their own stability. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 19:09, November 13, 2011 (UTC)
We don't need two seperate algorithms, just do the parentheses thing (our talk pages are growing way to fast, at this rate by the end of this century we'll have like 10 archives). The stability thing is too complicated for everyone to do their own, with a bunch of stuff that cannot be quantified (like soil quality, or size). I think that Finland should have its own stability score, as it is not part of Russia, but they should get a 10 point bonus or something for Russia's help. LurkerLordB 19:24, November 13, 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry, but we already established it is okay to use multiple algorithms, but what you propose would be completely new and thus is unusable for the current conflict. The stability score isn't too complicated, maybe just needs a bit more explaining. Personally I just want to get this conflict over with, as it is really chaotic. I can't find much wrong with the stability, as no one bothered to check ahead of time, so for now it should be kept. I agree that countries stopping trade with Sweden should affect how well they do in the war. Also, the question of how the Swedish civil war should affect stability, I think there should have been a way, but there isn't, so the best we can do is "nearby unrest." I may choose to veto the algorithm eventually if it turns out unfair, but it is most likely that Sweden will end up as a pariah state anyway from now on. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 19:58, November 13, 2011 (UTC)
But this is a ordinary dividing line?with one of these, it will look like it is a vassal.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 19:40, November 13, 2011 (UTC)
I think Yemen and Hanthawaddy have colours that are way too similar. Also I would love Sweden to go light green, cyan or blue. Scandinator 07:44, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you so much. I appreciate it. I will listen to your advice once I'm finished with the Mamuluks. BTW, I just conquered two other Indian States, and I made alogythms for them. Will this be recognized still?
RandomWriterGuy 01:32, November 13, 2011 (UTC)
Del tamaño de las colonias
Hola Kenny! ¿Recordás que me habían hablado de un programa para medir el tamaño en píxeles de mis colonias? ¿Podés darme un link para descargarlo? De antemano, gracias. --Galaguerra1 19:39, November 13, 2011 (UTC)
Why was the Malay rebellion created? I know mod actions are used as punishments, so what did I do to be punished like this? I have been noticing an increasing amount of mod actions aimed specifically at either me or my vassals. What am I doing? Is it you making the actions or Scandinator punishing me for supporting Finland?
Yank 05:10, November 14, 2011 (UTC)
Hey, I was wondering if you wanted to take down the Incan empire with me? I only plan to take the Argentina area or the area around Cuzco. It could be a great opportunity to colonize South America. Also, the emperor has three years left, so my rapid expansion is done. This is actually the last war that I plan to do for a long time CrimsonAssassin 21:39, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
Okay, so taking Cuzco in an assault is out, which lets them supply their men better. I'd want Argentina because it's another point at which I can get supplies to and from the Atlantic quicker. However, if you and I (and Vietnam if they want) attack the Incans, we should be able to get them to surrender without taking their capital (though an assault on Cuzco isn't impossible, just difficult). From then, the problem would be getting supplies to and from the Andes, which should be remedied by the Industrial Revolution. More than likely, Cuzco would be a real ghost town until the Industrial Revolution (maybe even abandoned beyond all hope of recovery. Tourist attraction!)
Of course, we don't have to take all of the Incan Empire. Whatever you say. CrimsonAssassin 03:49, November 17, 2011 (UTC)
Naples may join into the conquest as well. Of course, I can't make another colony until the 1730s (I think 1736, I may be wrong). Of course, I could always say the natives revolted and drag out the war for like 10 turns or until whenever it is ready. So, if there is room for one more, Naples could join in. I'll take whatever territory is left over, as long as it is at least the size of OTL Ecuador. LurkerLordB 03:56, November 17, 2011 (UTC)
Okay. What I envision is Hanthawaddy can take Ecuador, the northern part of Loreto, Cajamarca, Amazonas, and Piura in Peru. China can take chimichurri and Chilotes (you can delineate with France). The rest of Chile can go to Naples, and that leaves the Incan Empire with most of Peru, Atacama, and most of the Altiplano. The Incas are okay independent, and they will probably be quite useful as vassals. If China wants to take all of the Incas then we can divide approximately at the line of Northern Peru and Southern Peru, with China taking Southern Peru.Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 04:54, November 17, 2011 (UTC)
Hey. I would like to ask about Principia Moderni. I'm Yemen. If I go north (OTL Saudi Arabia), I see darker colour. Is that's hard-to-take-over place, or a specific country? Doctor261 15:36, November 18, 2011 (UTC)
Ah. Alright then. I thought that was player-run country. ^.^ Doctor261 05:51, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
- - When it's okay to invade Venice?i mean, how long should i wait until realizing that Kunarian won't come back?i can't keep upgrading the military forever.
- - I'm thinking of replace the ruling dynasty in Hungary, but you think that the current dynasty has been on for too long? (right now is 1446-1722)
- - I'm expanding too fast?
--Collie Kaltenbrunner 10:41, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
Scandinator has made another rule violation. He's violated the unwritten rule that colonial amalgamations must be plausible. He's absorbed Joseon's Hawaii colony into his Alaskan colony Asgard, and that just seems like it's pushing the lines of plausiblity. He's not only bloodlessly snatched a territory from Joseon, but amalgamated it into a colony that is actually of my smaller size. I thought I remembered that you wrote that there is a limit to how far apart the two colonies being merged can be, and that merging two colonies across half a world apart was definitely outside the limit.
Yank 21:57, November 21, 2011 (UTC)
Hello. I've made a map game set in 1750. This map game focuses on the possibilities of the French and Indian War and the subsequent revolutions of the European colonies. I was wondering if you wanted to play it. Also, given your record for plausibility, I was wondering if you wanted to be a moderator of the game.
Note that the mods have delete-on-sight rights. If they see an implausible post, they have my blessing to remove it or cross it out. Problematic players will be dealt with. At any rate, I am putting measures to keep this map game from spiralling into a map circus.
CrimsonAssassin 03:56, November 22, 2011 (UTC)
I need help with a stability curve: a state exists for 241 years and has population digits 7. i would use the formula that you told me, but it is confusing. 23,5 x 1,25 / 23,5 x 1,25 = 1, as far as i know. Adding to that, 2.5 x 9, and this has to have result 6. this is impossible.i tried to make the result of 23,5 x 1,25 / 23,5 x 1,25 x 2,5 x 9, and it goes nothing like 6.in fact, is not even a entire number.is a decimal.--Collie Kaltenbrunner 20:36, November 25, 2011 (UTC)
I still don't understand.23,5 x 1,25 / 1,25 x 23,5 x 2,5 is 0,4.with the 9 to be multiplied, it will be 3,6, not 6. Anyway, can you please calculate that stability curve that i gave you (state exists for 241 years, population digits 7.) and show me how it is done?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 06:09, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
Coming to think about that, i actually confused that "^" with "*".--Collie Kaltenbrunner 06:28, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
We need to keep an eye on Kunarian. He has shown an unhealthy fixation on me/Vietnam in Principia Moderni.Until recently he was willing to do anything to see my empire burn, wether it be in-game atrocities or slanderous lies on the talkpage. I'm not saying we ban him yet, but this behavior has shown that he hasn't really changed from before he was banned. We need to keep a close eye on him, as he is more likely than most to do something that warrants being banned again. His recent "vendetta" with me, although just "ended" (more likely put on hold) makes me uneasy to what he would do next. He had been taking my actions way too seriously, and had made it personal. Does that sound like someone who should be playing a game like this?
Yank 01:19, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
Most of my recent argument was defense against Kunarian's constant Vietnam-bashing. He latched on my planned invasion of Joseon as an excuse to get enraged, and started spreading hateful lies to demonize Vietnam. It's exactly what happened when I tried to invade Ireland the first time. His vendetta with me started before he was banned, and it must have worsened when he saw that his "precious" ally Ireland was conquered. And I don't remember him really doing anything that didn't concern Italy directly. He skewed everthing he said to make the Vietnamese look like the most evil nation on the planet, and yet he was "conquering fellow Christian nations" in Italy. He has shown that he is not afraid to commit massacres in order to bring Vietnam down. He has put aside his vendetta with me for now, but he will find another reason to call Vietnam a pack of "eastern devils". We need to be able to stop him when he strikes again.
Yank 03:25, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
The other players are tring to change the African Kingdoms with:
"with communication restored with the west African kingdoms, mapmakers realize that the kingdoms have changed their borders greatly over the years and now look like [insert map]"
I suggest that you leave it to me. There is a famine in West Africa from 1738 till 1756. Over the 19 years the nations in West Africa will pull each other apart for food. That would be the perfect time to change their borders.Scandinator 12:22, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
The time for the colonies become independent is getting near.now, i want to know if you thought how we are going to avoid that the colonies are not attacked again by the country who colonized them.with certain nations expanding too much, i sense that this is going to happen.Other questions;
- For Hungary, which you think that would be the first colony to declare independence?
- How i will keep my stability with the new system?how i make economic improvements?
- A colony encompassing Cape Verde, Canary islands and possessions on the west coast of Africa (Guinea-Bissau, for example) is feasible?
--Collie Kaltenbrunner 07:38, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
I was actually just about to send you a PM about this. I was wondering who drops a colony first and how are we going to handle former colonies? CrimsonAssassin 15:35, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
New Stability Model
I will take charge of it if you wish for me to remain the stability moderator. If yes, I will set up shop on Thursday or Friday as I currently have exams. One question. Does supporting a war or sending troops lose stability? If yes, the amount of warmongering will dive and the TL will become static. My suggestion is that if you lead a front then the stability will drop. Also we must factor in industrialization. Maybe an algorythm bonus? 10 for digital (1980s), 9 for space and nukes (1950s), 8 for artillery, tanks and WWI tech (1920s), 7 for Dreadnoughts and U-boats (1900s), 6 for ironclads (1870s), 5 for gating guns and minie rifles (1850s), 4 for breech loading rifles (1830s), 3 for standardized light artillery (1700s), 2 for muskets and canons (1500s), 1 for crossbows, trebuchet, catapults and ballista (1100s), and finally 0 for swords, spears, arrows. etc (Dawn of man) Scandinator 11:35, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
Swedish Civil War
Could you do the algorithm for this one, too many people are involved and I don't like the results LurkerLordB has come up with they seem too lucky that he and Vietnam would win by 1. Kunarian 22:49, December 10, 2011 (UTC)
After you said to the players to stay on schedule, the players are playing the turn of 1745 even though the turn of 1744 did not ended.What do i do about this?--Collie Kaltenbrunner 18:21, December 11, 2011 (UTC)
I apoligize, I thought when you said stay on schedule you meant you were cutting of 1744 despite it still going on because 1745 had to begin. How did your notices get removed? Kunarian says it was Flagmania who removed the notices saying don't play, but I haven't checked the history myself. LurkerLordB 18:39, December 11, 2011 (UTC)
Kunarian Part II
I have personally had enough of Kunarian's "delightful" antics, and I doubt I'm the only one. He lies, twists facts to suit himself, and has had a feud with me ever since I first tried to invade Ireland. I have a list of incidents he caused on the wiki.
- He claimed Ireland had an alliance with Venice, despite the fact that he wrote nothing of the sort and the fact that all NPC's are automatically neutral.
- He instigated a war in Cuba against Naples to punish them for their support for me in the failed first invasion of Ireland.
- He committed a massacre of Vietnamese citizens when Vietnam invaded Joseon.
- He fabricated a story about some mythical negotiations that Venice wasen't invited to to try and make himself look like a victim.
Why is Kunarian still playing when time has shown he cannot play nice?
Yank 04:32, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
Detective Kenny it is quite simple. Yank is taking the game too seriously and too personally mixing up my role play with what he thinks I am actually thinking, maybe because that is the way he plays? I don't know so unlike him I will not make un needed asumptions.
to adress his problems:
- Ireland was a rare irrational move by myself, as I do not play nations like Britain or Ireland as I am too personally involved with them.
- Cuba was a tactical move so that I could secure my colony of Cinque Isole and it worked and we sorted the problem diplomatically.
- Another unfortunately irrational move by myself.
- The very piece of Roleplaying (which is all it was) which yank has taken too seriously and personally.
I am still playing because I can play nice, like when I tried to get on with you and when you had the chance you cut off relations in a most agressive way and the time when we sat down and negotiated about the colonial dispute in the Americas and what about the time when Savoy was to be invaded and France took offence to it, eventually we negotiated a way around it. The problem is Yank that you seem to be paranoid about me now, everytime I make a move, doesn't matter what it is you seem to believe it is me personally adressing the game and take offence. I recommed that we move on from this with the attitude to co-operate not the attitude of jumping to arms on the drop of a pin. 220.127.116.11 16:20, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
It has been shown that much of Kunarian's behavior has been quite irrational and frankly quite spiteful. I try to work with him peacefully, but he always finds something to freak out about. Much of the incidents shows a single-minded hatred of Vietnam and anyone who supports them. The years in between these incidents represent not a lack of conflict, but brief respites. As I said before I am not the only one who thinks that. Lordganon and LurkerLord agree with my views on Kunarian's behavior. It is one of the few areas where LG and I see eye-to-eye.
Yank 17:28, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
You words are spiteful and those are of your actual opinions, while my playing of Venice are not mine, in fact the first person to go personal and to start acting in a spiteful way is not me Yank but you. Also please point out the times when you have tried to aviod conflict yet I brought it up? The years in between these incidents are when co-operation has been posible and I can guarantee that it was never Venice nor I who saught for it but Vietnam, the period of peace before and during my ban was ended by Vietnam, the peace after my return was also ended by Vietnam. Also agreement does not mean truth, as agreement in a playing field by children that the earth is flat does not mean truth.
Yank please in your next statement adress these points:
- Vietnams continous breaking of stable relations (e.g. invasion of Ireland during my ban, the breaking of relations after the Capo took hold).
- The overly personal way you play and view the game.
- How you refuse to co-operate but blame me for it despite my willing attitude.
18.104.22.168 17:44, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
Thought I should tell you, Kenny, that Kun's now gotten himself blocked for this.... insanity? Lordganon 22:22, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
Does Hanthawaddy have a colony on that island which is parallel to Taiwan? If so what would it take Nippon to acquire it from Hanthawaddy? VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 21:18, December 22, 2011 (UTC) Oh and I'd also like your colony on Sakhalin/Karafuto too, so what's your asking price? I offer you a trade deal and an alliance with Nippon for Karafuto and the island near Taiwan VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 21:19, December 22, 2011 (UTC)
You're back! Good. Are you going to implement the new stability system now? Because the stability curve has been giving us some strange results (like Poland almost taking a third of Russia in a war) but I felt that you should implement the new one. Glad you're back. LurkerLordB 23:38, January 4, 2012 (UTC)
Hey DK, this is the first time I have sent you a notification about something not on PM. :P
Anyways, I am developing a page for Doomsday on Guangxi and I am up to contact with other states. I need some info on what Macau would do if they found a highly organized state in Northern Guangxi province during 1991. Thanks!
Scandinator 01:59, January 5, 2012 (UTC)
Possible Burmese War (Principia Moderni)
I have recently started entertaining notions of starting a war with Burma (or whaterver that nation calls itself). After at least 15 years of preperation, of course. I want to know if I can relly on Hanthawaddy's cooperation in the matter, as Hanthawaddian aid would help the Vietnamese so much. We can divide the territory however you wish, so I want to know what you want. Do I get the part north of the projection of Vietnamese territory or the south?
Yank 23:30, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
So you'll give me your Ishigaki & Karafuto colonies in exchange for being able to use their ports freely as well as being able to use two other Nipponese ports freely? Okay then, how about Nagasaki and Kamochin (that's a new city recently founded on the southern tip of the Nipponese Kamchatka colony)? VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 15:09, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
With you on wikibreak I was wondering if this should continue or you need another one would you wish for an assistant mod in chief? If yes we can vote on the talk page of PM.Scandinator
You are the winner of the 2012 Stirling Award for Best New Contributor. Congrats, and may next year's awards treat you just as kindly! Lordganon 08:42, January 26, 2012 (UTC)
Are you ever coming back?
I hope this message sends you an email or something, because I have become worried about you ever coming back to the wiki and to Principia Moderni. If you notice this, please respond. LurkerLordB (Talk) 03:46, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
Dk, how can Bengal be muslim if its neibhour Bharat is Hindu (as in scrictly hindu)? :/ Imperium Guy 10:36, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
- Uhhh, because that's the majority religion in Sylhet? It is 97% in present-day OTL. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 20:28, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
- Didn't Hanthawaddy have massive conversion efforts to convert the people there to Buddhism though? And also, they conquered them earlier, the Mughal Empire never ruled over them like in OTL which would have resulted in more conversions. LurkerLordB (Talk) 20:44, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
- There were massive conversion efforts but most conversion efforts focus on using people's existing beliefs and explaining new beliefs in a way they understand. Islam and Buddhism are difficult to reconcile, so the conversion efforts wouldn't have made a huge impact. Sylhet has always been a center of Islam in Bengal since Shah Jalal ruled. We must also remember that Buddhism would have been the language of the upper class, so this would bring discontent among lower-class Muslims. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 20:51, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
No problem. In game just post that Naundesa joins Sweden officially and fully and I will have the Ecuadorian part of the colony revolt and Sweden will abandon the entire colony which then joins Hanthawaddy. Scandinator (talk) 04:31, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
I should tell you that Bharat will eventually vassalize/conquer the newly independent hindu nation as my nation is strictly hindu. Would that be a problem, because I will leave Bhutan and all the other vasslas and breakoffs up to your control. :D Imperium Guy 22:21, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
I will respect the Buddhists, athough I am not going to take over the buddhist kingdoms, only the hindu ones. :D Imperium Guy 22:36, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
Principia Moderni map and the Incan Colomiban RepublicPlease expadn my country on the map, you havnt upadted my country on the game map for decades (game years wise, here is my country on the map:
view it in full siz e by clicking on it and going to the full size, the drak brownish red country in South America is the ICR, please put that as the correct map. DeanSims 14:11, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
ok, thanks replying. DeanSims 16:53, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
New PM Player
I do not mean to bother you but as you are head mod I ask you to look closely at the talk pages between Scraw, Andr3w777 and Gulgara1. EzraNYC declared war against his ally in one year then allied with him before ignoring all of Europe and nearly causing a world war. I am the head of the proposed European Council(Wales) and have strode for peace and neutrality but things are getting ridiculous just look at the long conversation in 1913, something must be done. Andr3w777 03:22, May 29, 2012 (UTC)
Can you figure out stability and total for the Welsh-Collectivist War in PM? ThanksAndr3w777 03:12, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
Future of Bengal (PM)Hey Dk! I know its been a while, but I (Bharat) am expanding my power-base on the Bharati sub-continent. It has been going well, and I have managed to get back most of Bharat's territories and along with Dravidia have managed to spread Bharati influence around the world. But the question of Bengal remains. Since you have not played as Bengal for over 40 yrs now, I was wondering I could spread Bharati influence into the area. Bengal will finally become Buddhist (along with a sizeable hindu and muslim minority). Do you accept (Bengal will also grow to ecompass former areas of Hattanwaddy). You can take control of it if you return. If you don't answer in 5 days then I would go ahead with the plan. If you say no, then I will not go ahead with the plan. I await ur response. :s Imperium Guy 20:10, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
Early Ming Dynasty
Hello, I am Hlanus, and I am working on a timeline called "Zheng China". The POD is where Zhu Gaochi, the fourth Emperor and son of the Yongle Emperor, dies in a fire sparked by ball lightning immediately after he announces the end of Zheng He's voyages. His half-brother Zhu Gaoxu takes over and overturns this policy, which eventually leads China to become a major colonial power, with the Zheng family (Zheng He's nephews and their descendants, as he was castrated at the age of 10) playing a major role. As of now, the timeline is in the 1450s, with Zhu Zanghi now as Emperor. I was wondering if this would be historically accurate because according to OTL, he would have been near his fifties when he was crowned in this AH. If you could help, I would most appreciate it. Hlanus (talk) 17:28, April 20, 2013 (UTC)Hlanus
- Sorry for not seeing this; I've been inactive for over a year, and just happened to be peeking around. Your timeline looks very extensive and well-thought out, so keep up the good work! I'm not exactly familiar with Chinese succession procedure, but I see no reason it wouldn't work. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 04:17, August 9, 2013 (UTC)
- Just lots of busy work. Will I come back? I suppose once an Althistor, always an Althistor; a few days ago I was obsessing because I found the perfect alternate anthem for Peru had it never been colonized. But the time commitment is just crazy. Once I get to university maybe… But for now I'm stuck in the matrix of college applications. Hope everything is well on the site… I'm glad to see PM finished out successfully, and even its reincarnation is still going strong. Thanks for checking up, and we'll see what happens if I decide to resume activity. For now, so long, and wish me luck in my college apps! Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 04:17, August 9, 2013 (UTC)