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- 1 PM4 Application stuff
- 2 Warning about Britain in PMIV 4
- 3 About the Alliance
- 4 More PMIV Stuff (sorry)
- 5 Bengal in pm4
- 6 Gunturism
- 7 PM4 Treaty
- 8 Sorry man
- 9 Re: Agra treaty
- 10 Gujarat
- 11 Rise of the Arabs (Map Game)
- 12 Rise of the Arabs (Map Game)
- 13 Offer
- 14 Age of Authority (map game)
- 15 Chat
- 16 Status on Malaya
- 17 Re: No Victoria
- 18 PMIV
- 19 Re: EIC
- 20 Re: Bhaisaab
- 21 VINNY'S MAP GAME
- 22 Pm4 mod event
- 23 The Map on PMIV
- 24 Re: About Aryavarta
- 25 Red Paper Map Game
- 26 RE: Gujarat
- 27 New timeline
- 28 Welcome to The Dragon Splits
- 29 Re:Red
- 30 India (The Dragon Splits)
- 31 Moving Pages
- 32 A proposal
- 33 Warning
- 34 Governor assad
- 35 States you could balkanize in Tashkent
- 36 Iraq in Tashkent declaration
- 37 Suggestion for Tashkent Declaration
- 38 help
- 39 Principia Moderni IV (Map Game)
- 40 You mentioned Peshawar in an article
- 41 thanks
PM4 Application stuff
Yes there is a HIndu state, Delhi.
21:37, December 27, 2016 (UTC)
I do not think Delhi is an elective monarchy. Population size sounds correct but maximum army size is limited by the factors in the algorithm. You should look in the algorithm to see what your max army size is.
19:27, December 28, 2016 (UTC)
Warning about Britain in PMIV 4
I heard the Britain player say he intends to colonize India on chat. Beware of them.
Warrioroffreedom123 00:17, January 1, 2017 (UTC)Warrioroffreedom123
About the Alliance
So about your offer to make an alliance, as much as I would enjoy an open alliance, i think that would be reconned by the mods and i would get a plausbility strike. However, I can still give you weapons and such underr the pre-text of keeping the Chagatai Khanate in check. A major problem with a possible open alliance, would be even if the mods allowed it, the abbasid player would eat me alive for it, and so would the ottoman player. However, I have a good reason to give you arms. I can also help you economically, because before i joined as Gurkani Sultanate, they were allied the Dehli Sultanate, so we likely have economic ties due to that earlier alliance.
Warrioroffreedom123 16:11, January 1, 2017 (UTC)Warrioroffreedom123
More PMIV Stuff (sorry)
Well, the former player of Majaphait wants to preserve Gunturism and his nobility, but the mods plan on Balkanziing and islamizing indonesia. However, he asked me to tell you to try to save his nobility, so perhaps Dehli raj could host a Majapahit government in exile?
Warrioroffreedom123 20:10, January 1, 2017 (UTC)Warrioroffreedom123
Edit: I highly reccomend you spare Bahmani Sultanate. It is part of the Arab-Indian Trading Company, and it that company was made to prevent Europe from colonzing India. So if I were you, I would focus my conquests to the north. Bahmani should be a good buffer between you and Europe.
Bengal in pm4
I'm the player for the Caliphate in Principia Moderni IV.
I would like to say first I am very willing to be on peaceful terms with your nation in the game, even though it is a Hindu instead of Muslim government. I am also ok with your recent victory against Bengal, to keep a balance of power in India. However, if you keep up the war I'll be forced to call the surrounding Muslim nations to attack and intervene to protect the nation, as it keeps my interests in Southeast Asia.
Also, I would prefer if there was as little fighting in India as possible, as the European powers will inevitably want to colonize that eventually, and it would benefit them if India was fighting itself like OTL.
Feel free to come on chat if you want to talk further,
To be honest, I don't quite understand what Gunturism is either, however, I know the person on the map game that invented the religion. Well, it started off as a branch of Hinduism. http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User%3AAce009 It originiated in Majapahit. As for Bengal Sultanate, I begged for Nate to simpy let it fall, as it would be good for you to get a conquest. However, Nate pointed out to me, that simply with your sheer size, if you just continue developing and modernizes the country (including producing indigenous weaponary), you have the potiential to become a superpower. I noticed how your borders are similar to that of the Gupta Empire, so you have the potiential to bring another golden age of India. There are some things I could sell to you. Massive Bombards, Blast Furnaces, Printing Presses, those are some. Gurkani got the Blast Furnaces from Korea a decade ago. Now don't worry, you may have another chance to unify India, as this Abbasid Caliphate isn't immortal, and could collapse (however, it's having it's own golden age right now). In honesty, for now, I reccommend you cooporate (though outright allying is ASB)) and use the muslim states as a buffer against European Colonialism. Seriously, the Arab Indian Trading Company (Abbasids, Oman, Bahmani, Bengal, Gurkani) is capable of currently defeating any European power by its sheer numbers. So if you want more information on Gunturism, I reccomend you ask ace.
Warrioroffreedom123 09:40, January 4, 2017 (UTC)Warrioroffreedom123
I made a treaty to work things out Treaty of Agra (Principia Moderni IV Map Game) . If you like the proposal you can go ahead and sign it and then I'll sign it too.
I really like what you've been doing in PMIV so far, and I can't wait to see what you do in the future :) Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess 03:00, January 6, 2017 (UTC)
Sorry but I am going to spread Zaidi Islam. Now, you brought up Hindus take a while to become a minority. Note the mod event. I am mostly trying to make the Sunnis Shia, and also convert Hindus. Also, I will add that Indonesian Hindus converted faster than Indian Hindus (As Indonesia is now majority Muslim and India is majority Hindu) "Religious problems plague Majapahit, as there are several religious minorities. The farthest flung territories begin to have rumbles of rebellion. Meanwhile, Islam is a noticeable minority in Sumatra thanks to nearby Bengal and increased trade coming from nations such as the Abbasids, Oman, and the Gurkani. Additionally, Buddhists, Hindus, and Gunturists fleeing the mainland war begin to flood the nearest Majapahit islands."
Edit: I will only take Sumatra. I believe it will actually help the Hindu cause, as muslims throughout Majapahit will migrate there rather than revolt, so while decreasing the territory, it increases stablity. It will make the empire easier to adminstate. Otherwise, there is a pretty significant threat of a collapse, as Ace has been centralizing too fast.
Re: Agra treaty
I've posted a comprimise on the treaty page. Basically I would give to your term of Hindu rule in Koch-Bihar, but at the same time I would like you to stop sending armies into Southeast Asia for a while. Pegu, unfortunately, I have to insist will remain under control of Bengal. Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess 15:29, January 7, 2017 (UTC)
You kept saying to me over and over "no more wars in south asia". And you suddenly annex Gujarat behind my back? I guess I can't intervene now, even though I should have to be plauisble, but I feel you keep lying to me and I don't like that. Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess 12:41, January 18, 2017 (UTC)
Rise of the Arabs (Map Game)
We need to talk on chat.
Rise of the Arabs (Map Game)
Good evening, I am the Kingdom of Burgundy player in PMIV, and I sent you an offer in my post for this turn (1583), if you could respond I'd appreciate it.
Age of Authority (map game)
This is a map game that hasn't startet yet. India is fractured, but you can unify it by playing one of the states.
I was away from Chat when you said hello to me. If you wish to discuss/debate over the whole Islam/Hindu thing (im guessing that was your intent), feel free to join chat right now.
Status on Malaya
I am considering a choice between the two offers, and I think I will remain a Burgundian Protectorate (Unless they fall), but that doesn't mean Aryavarta and Malaya can't have good relations. When Malaya is powerful enough, it will declare independence but maintain good relations in Burgundy. That way, both offers are technically accepted. I don't wish to deny anyone as it makes me feel bad (lol).
Re: No Victoria
Hey there Dev. I would be more than happy to allow you to play as a nation in No Victoria. You can simply sign up as one of the nations on the Nations page. If you want to play as British Raj, I'd be more than happy to hand over control to you; just let me know! Thanks!
Alright then, I've signed you up at the EIC. Thanks!
The Union off Lowlandish republics
'the flags are based on three flags and the change is that they became republics in a Communist/'Socialist union
Republic of flanders base flag
Republic of Brabant base flag
Republic of limbourg base 
16:25, February 26, 2017 (UTC)
VINNY'S MAP GAME
WE NEED TO TALK ASAP GET ON CHAT.
Pm4 mod event
Hey dev, If you just go to the talk page where I moved your complaints, we offered to accept your promise to not expand except Assam. However, I want to be clear this means you leave Bengal as well before we end the revolt. Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess 05:57, March 12, 2017 (UTC)
The Map on PMIV
Arguing and maps in the talk. I removed the map from the turn. Next time you post it, it's vandalism.13:10, March 12, 2017 (UTC)
Re: About Aryavarta
If, indeed, you are not expanding anymore, I conceed to limit Maratha to 10 million. I'm sorry again it came to this, but the way you've been conducting your playthrough so dishonorably and motivated by nationalism had really been grinding on the mods. The last straw was how you invaded Bengal the last time without posting or bolding a description of invasion, obviously for the purpose of getting through without me or my allies noticing, which is quite dishonorable. I know you don't want war, and neither do I. So stop starting this drama over and over. I'm ok with you expanding, but if you pull this kind of stunt to take Bengal without giving people proper chance to respond, the result will be more permenant than this time.
Don't think you are being sinlged out at all, as I am also warning Drake against expanding for the same reson. Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess 18:47, March 12, 2017 (UTC)
Red Paper Map Game
Dev dip me about accepting your invitation to the Intermarrium.
Well I have considered it and I hope to stay independent from you but eventually to survive we need to have an alliance. So I am proposing an NAP first then see what happens from there on. Also how about compromising to 15 million. I am here on chat. And also give me enough land to connect to Nepal. RedDragon2000 (talk) 08:02, March 18, 2017 (UTC)
As long as you are not going to attack my allies for a very long time, I will at some point soon sell you Gujarat. Oh, I didn't mean to push that button! † Oh, well leave a message I guess 14:33, March 18, 2017 (UTC)
Since you seem knowledgeable about India and Indian history, I would like too see if you are interested in an ATL where India remains as the British Raj or becomes a Dominion. School is still on and so In 1-2 weeks time.
You know why i did it. Its because I don't trust the Deccan player and i want to weaken it. Second I don't care about the religious make-up about the country, and you know the Muslim dynasties never managed to fully convert or make progress on the Hindu population. And honestly, you have too much power on the continent and have to be held in check, and since i don't trust the Deccan player, I have to reinstate the Old dynasty which will certainly have some gratitude. You know that there will never be a divided India as we conqured the Deccan and Bengal, you would've went after me. Besides, I will make sure you keep some land and a deal can be worked out, but a status quo must be maintained, unless one power becomes too strong. Its not like i don't trust you as a person, i just heard some bad shit about you ie according to certain sources betrayal. Also would you rather have an less aggressive Muslim country, or an unpredictable aggressive Hindu one. (Besides the civil war will weaken it long term, plenty of oppurtunities). Just remember it isn't personal and I will try and keep your country intact. Remember this is PMIV, you should always be prepared to be backstabbed and i'm making sure that I have a buffer This is a temporary setback for you and you can easily recover from this and I made them stop oppressing the Hindus so I'm sure you can work something out. RedDragon2000 (talk) 10:48, March 26, 2017 (UTC)
Sorry for that. I am kind of on the edge emotionally, and getting kind of paranoid. So I will not stop, but I will try my best to make sure you retain at least 50% of your land, and how on earth do i create a national identity?
Welcome to The Dragon Splits
Hello, we are glad that you are intersted to join our timeline. Since you are expert with India, you will be designated as our South Asia expert in that region. Kindly sign your name on the Contributors section of the main page. We look forward to your contribution.
Thank you and happy editing!
I have no idea what is happening. I'm am away until friday, however i have enough phone data to check up. General is subbing so tell him your problems. Sorry but i can't do anything until i'm back home. I'm currently on a trip.
Ace is likely going to rejoin principia as Punjab, and I was wondering if you would want your nation to form a personal union with his. This seems like a good idea, since you were worrying about the ramifications of retaking punjab, and this idea would essentially reunite your territory without those ramification. So hopefully you consider this.
user talk: Warrioroffreedom123 21:52, April 29, 2017 (UTC)Warrioroffreedom123
Don't invade Bengal. – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
Governer Assad isn't Iran's new leader, hes going to be the "hitler" heretic of the game, much like adolfphus hitler. Hes going to be defeated, don't support his. However, I will tell you who to support. Vishtaph the Impaler, the Afghan Zoroastrian rebel. That person is not a in game plot.
user talk: Warrioroffreedom123 16:53, May 10, 2017 (UTC)Warrioroffreedom123
States you could balkanize in Tashkent
Ethiopia- Due to civil war after derg coup, unless you have soviets survive, then dont balkanize them
Somalia - duh obvious reasons
Congo - more obvious reasons - ethnic borders for the win
Angola - maybe because of civil war. And mix it with the congo mess maybe and create a seccession Kongo republic formed from the bakongo people of Angola and congo.
I have more ideas, but these are the ones that come to mind.
user talk: Warrioroffreedom123 01:10, May 27, 2017 (UTC)warrioroffreedom123
Iraq in Tashkent declaration
I was reading your timeline tashkent declaration, and it is scary how powerful Iraq gets. It takes Khuzestan, and gets nuclear weapons. How powerful will it be to the modern day?
Btw: I think after taking that province from Iran, Syria would be Iraq's next target. They had poor relations, and Iraq would stir something up to seize Syrian land. Perhaps it might happen as late as Syrian civil war.
user talk: Warrioroffreedom123 17:17, June 1, 2017 (UTC)warrioroffreedom123
Suggestion for Tashkent Declaration
The Peoples Democratic Republic of Ethiopia, should the Soviet Union survive, might be able to survive in Taskent declaration due to Soviet and Cuban aid. If the Soviets reform, it might "reform" as well, such as federalizing. Eritrea will naturally be a problem, but I would still have Eritrea become indepedent like otl. Maybe they can form a federation, but that will be difficult, because Ethiopia is sort of the India of Africa, while Eritrea is the Pakistan. The PDRE should be able to increase the literacy rates of Ethiopia and treat minority and pluarity groups better than the current regime. (The current regime is ruled by a tigray minority). What I invision is, similar to in "New Union," Ethiopia becomes the USSR's best ally in Africa. It will need reforms however. I originally thought balkanizing it was a good idea, but reading the timeline further I am getting the vibe the soviets survive, so there is no good reason to divide the nation. I expect Somalia to crash like OTL however, that is something that can crash. Bascially, my idea is, a strong scientific Socialist/marxist leninist Ethiopia that is friends with the soviets. (if they dont crash.)
user talk: Warrioroffreedom123 15:17, June 2, 2017 (UTC)warriorffreedom123
- Siam dip to Nepal:We want to trade some rice and fruit with you each year in exchange for some metal farming tools and building stone. We also want to make an alliance with Nepal to. --Katie P Perry (talk) (talk) 22:33, September 12, 2018 (UTC)
You mentioned Peshawar in an article
I was stationed there with the USAF in the 1960's.
if i can get this catheter out soon i'll be better.