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1989 War 9
I found out that Elon musk was going to college in Kingston Ontiorio. Kingston survived the war so Elon probably survived. Onitrio unites with the eastern states to protect themselves from the Anglo hating QLF dominated People's Republic of Quebec. So Elon will be eastern citizen. Perpahs. Also can desgin a new flag for the eastern states. I want it look like the american flag only with the stripes replaced by a phionix . Do you think have a mushroom cloud is a nice touch. I feel it symbolizes rising from the ashes of the nuclear war
I fhished with the eccomny of the eastern states. I plan on starting the history. Do you think i should do a section on terriosom . Beside the kkk and donald tumps unamed group (i still need a name for them. Do you like firneds of the people of america or friends of america. I don't want to use friends of the american people because that was the name of ficnatila paloconsetive group in a book by philp k dick) the re will be several new age doomsday cult, self insterted raiders (most of them would died out by 2018 but a few remaind)and maybe even a communtist gorup
I’d think there would be quite a bit of terrorism. Friends of America sounds good as a name.
Can You think of an pontial details for the failed trump coup. Do you think president wilder would been killed in the fialed coup or would he have surrivedGoldwind1 (talk) 17:06, November 25, 2018 (UTC)
I reckon he would of survived, as the coup was discovered before
I have fhished the terssoim section except for adressing the fate of donald trump after his failed coup. So he get life in preson , sent to an alsyum obe excuted for terreson or comit sucide because he dosn't want to be excuted by the puppets of a black man.
I started the Hisotry for the Eastern States. Don't you think atlanic states of america would be a better name. Also I belice you like my idea of the pacfic states merging with Oecnia . You neaver ascted on it so May I alter the page for oceania. Do you think 2015 is a proper time for the meger or do you think it should happen ealier or later.
Ok, thanks fro your work. What makes you say about Oceania and Pacific America merging?
I suggested the Oceania united states of the pafic merge in back the 1989 war 8 section. I thought you said you liked the idea but maybe you were just talking about the My Idea of Brazil turing into a dictorship that takes cues form both 1984 and Starship troops. My idea for Braliz has intusite surivlainece, a caste systme, a thought police,a a programga delceign brazil as a limited democarcy only alowing people who serived the milary or done some other great civic good good vote and onlys also miltary officers to run
Oh I see. Sorry about the confusion.
- About Brazil: These governments can last for a time, but eventually fall. Maybe if it still exists, it will be fragile
Are you saying you like the Pacific states Oceania merger and that I can update the oceani. If so when did the oceinia pacfic states meger happen. Have you check the eastern states page lately , i updated it a few days ago. I hope you like the idea about Al gore holding a nationl anthem contest and the winning song We built this naiton was inornic sung to the tune of an 1980's protest song by Starship We built this City . I have written lyrics to We built thist naiton. Do you think it would be safe to post them on eastern states article or do think I could sued if i did that. .Also I am thniking of upading the nuclear target list so that San Degio got destoyed instead of Las Angles.
- Oceania:I’m not really sure.
- Eastern States: Yeah, it is a good reference. Post the lyrics, it won’t break copyright.
I just upload the lyrics for We bulit this naiton to the eastern states aritcle. I hope you like them
You have that the netherland surived the war. If bombs went out there would destory the dikes and cause the neatherlands to flood . I guess the netherland s could hae been a minor target of the soviet. The netherlands could surrive if the soviet only targested amerstdam and the bomb turned out to be a dub.Goldwind1 (talk) 13:52, December 15, 2018 (UTC)
- Netherlands:I actually didn’t think about that, i suppose Netherlands would be underwater.
The same could probbly also be said about belguain flanders. I think the only targets in belguim for the soviets would be the port at antrewp and burssules. The soviet bombs both turn out to be dub then i think belguim could surive. It would probbly suffer flooding do to the damge of the duth dikes but I think the belguim would be able to evuetnly think that probbalb. The Belguina may lauch a dike repair slash land relcamiton in the netherlands essplay with bomb targgeritng rotterdam or the hauge was a dub
I forgot Althist writer if you like my idea of the soviet republic collsaping in 2013. The soviet republic rump states would either be democartic states allied with siberia, poland baltic commonwelath or the various democartic states of europe or they would be dictorships under the thumb of centeral asia.ost soviet republic central asian puppets include Kalmykia, Tsakhvoa i beshatu (Stavropol Kria  ) dagenstan, chechnya,kabardino-Balkaria ingushetia, ossetia, the volga republic and the ural republicthe Soviet Republic rump states in the orbit of poland balitic and siberia are kara (captial is in khatay maskyt) Barents (captial is in Syktyvkar ) Pomorye (arkhagelsk and vologda oblasts) karlia ,onega and chernozemye
Do you like the idea of the north chinaness regime falling and thier land being taken over by south china. If so I think we need a new article called the united republic of china
I have got all the eastern states article done except for the international relations and History sections. I feel that Dan Quayle would advocate Christianity and translated convertive values but he would not approve of religious cults and right wing militias violent harasng left wingers. Got any other idea for what to the quatle administration history section. I would also apeericate so ideas for the gore , willder and kasich adminsation sections
Please respond to my back log
Ooops, didn’t see your messages, crud.
- China:In the resulting chaos of WW3, I feel like China would become even more dictator-like. Maybe the collapse would eventually come 8n the future, perhaps in the 2020s.
- ESA: Good job, I’m not really that well accustomed to 1980s-1990s American history, so I can’t really help much.
Why not have north chinaness dictorship fall to pro taiwna rebels in decmber 2018 or mid 2019. I feel that north china fall Their ally the soviet republic would fall in a few year. I feel that centeral asia would be the remingd power full dictor ship in euriaisa. unlike north china we unties with the south with the exception of ughrustan and tibet , the soviet repbublic breaks into men states. Severlal of the soivet rump states are pro wester and siberia democmrary. The rest are dictorships under the thumb of centeral asias
You have great britan more devided then america. I find that unlikely since braitn is smaller and the house of windsor role as the enbomdment of british culture would serve as unitng feture espally since king charles is supproter of reunifaction. I feel that that least the the republic of centeral counties and the southwest repbulci would have joined east england by now and may be even northubria and yorkshire. I agree that the cornish scotish and wlesh would probbly not what to reuntied with east england
Can you help me update the lst of city destoyed during ww
- Yes, I can see where you’re coming from, but it’s more like its divided out of necessity. I was also thinking of adding an ASB tag to the timeline, what do you think?
- What do you need?
I still think that the southwest republic and the centeral counties would have able to reunite with east england by 2015 at the earistle.
You’re probably right in that case
SO will you have the southwest republic and centeral countrename and rename east england kingdom of egland
I won't put obleset labels next to the centeral conuties and southwest republic. I would just alter them to say that they are former states. Do you think the would have rejoinded england in 2009 or later or ealrier. egnald infrobox needs updaign. . I belive Oxford is the larger then cambridge. In 1983 doomsday Winsdosr bekshire (Home of Widnosr castle ) surrioved (Despited beign clsoed to lodon) and became a city state called new london. I think tha once east eengland unites with the soouth west repupic and centeral counties , i feel that king charles would want to move the captial. . Prince charles is known to fond of artiture and urban planing (He help design ponbury dorest) so he may want to build his onw city. Do you like the idea of windsor sufifng mild damge in ww3 but much in the way of raditon. If so my maybe charles should build him his new cpaital over the runis of windsor I plan on updating the list of nuclear targets in the uk
Oh, I’ll remove them. Maybe after the reunification, New London would begin to be built, but the capital nt Moved there
So do you like my idea of new london being built aorund windsor castel. George Percy dons't have any childern but as king of northaira he would probbly try to produce an heir. Do you like the idea of George having a daughter and goerge and windors arange a marrige of thier childern when they come of age into order to unite northubira anengland. Got any idea for the doug wilder amdinstion of the eastern. Also how the jhon kashic admisnton
I like the idea of a New London, but not based around Windsor castle, as London was one of the worst-hit cities and as such is still radiated. (I included it on the page) He does have children 
Again, sorry no (Wilder and Kashic admin)
Do you like the idea of king charles delarcing god save the king/queen to be the anethma of a united great britin and delcaing that england need a new anthman. Perhaps he would chose land of hope and golory. Got any other ideas for the english anthema
Ehh, Land of Glory would be good
Do you like the idea of a soviet bomb or ment for either itlay farnce or germany acidently falling in switer I feel that social democratic party of switerland would resone to that by sayting that dispitue saying we still got hitt by a few stray bomb but a still lucky to have gotten off littley. They shoudl also say that switerland should not resond to by further drawing away form the world and jeosuly hordign the treasures they have left, that switter should reach out a hand to it's neighbors and work with theam to rebuild the eruope. if a bomb exoples in switerland i think it should explode in zurich. That would the largest stronghold of the issolanist antinalt semirasict swiss people party (they become the bigst party in zurich in 1991). I am afraid that that the swiss peopel is not handicap swissterland expansion would be of the opersisive imperilist vairty and not multicurlist coppetive , let rebuild europe toghtor
I kinda feel like that’s a bit ASB
I am afaird that by 1989 that Christoph Blocher would have gained power over the zurich. I that if switerland remianed unsathed and if the other naitons of europe were nuke they bolcher would start precher that the swiss were god chosen people and that it there destainy conquer the rements of europeIf not that he would preach isolaiton and that switterland shouldn't help rebuild europe. My bomb falling in zurich was just a suggesiton for how to prevnet switterland form takign a ture for naitonalist and eurospetic
I just mean that the chance that so many nukes miss their targets is reasonably unlikely considering how advanced the tech is
I had a poltical sciense teacher who an expert on terroism and said that the russain targeting systme were terriable. Other people say that the russian weren't but , I repsepct the oppion of my former profeosor. That is why my list of targets has so many russain nuke miss or fail to explodel. We really don't know how good the russain nuclear aresneal really because it was only used in contorled test. Russain facotyr were fammous for poor workmanship due to having no insentie. Those a lot of russain bombs may be duds.
I see. In that case, it may have been possible..
So should we have a bomb or two acidntly fall in switterland. If we go with one bomb it should land in zurich. Destorying zurich would prevent the nationalist swiss people party form tackign power like they did otl. IF they take power affter a nuclear war they would make switteland issolat and turn back all reguees at gun point or they declare the swiss the choice people and form an burtal imperila state. If we decide to go with two bombs i have it explode in the midel of no where like the southe part of the UR canton. Having a one go of in the middle of nowhere will take thunder away form the crazzy consipary who said that netulaty didn procet switerland form bieng delbiertly nuked by the russains.
I have fhished the eastern states with the exception of the section on intenratial relaitons and possalbe section on retail and restruants. I may aloso make some changes to the elcetionics section. My ideas of the internaitonal realtions section are they are decent terms with Texas and the Heartland states despite they refuse to reunite. There is no formal allaince there is a movement to fomr one. Other Pontial meambers of the allince are the pacigc state the rocky moutain states and parts of former mexico. Realtions with canda (I may have it change it name becausse it based in the plain states and the old hearland)are coridal but mildy stariend do to ontioa and the maritnes joining the eastern states for proction from miltant commuinst qubec. Realtions with Qubec have improved since the Qubec People ( the QLF replacced the word libeiton in their name after they conqured Qubect) Front goverment fell in 2013
My damn notification didn’t work, ooof.
- Switzerland: You’ve got to think tho, are we just doing that so that the SPP doesn’t get into power? And if so, is that just because we don’t want them to?
- USA:Good job mate.
I don't want the SPP in power because I am afaird that they would either turn switter intto a ilsoatied fortress repallign any forngier or turn it a siss superimst imperlilsit nation. You had switterland aborbe art of fance and italy. That makes seam like switerland didn't go isoanlsit. So that means The SPP took power and created a swiss veirosn of the thrid reich or thery neaver came to power.
I have fhiseh the infomaiton on the east state relaitosn with the rest of north america. Should i add some infomaiton about there relaitons with the rest. If so should i act as if the soviet republic cossple a few years ago and that the comminst in north china were over thrown and the new goverment united with south china to form the untied republic of china. Also do think Hugo chavez would still become preisent of venuzula. IF so i think he would be hositle to the eastern states. Also should i make a section retail and reasturnats. What should I do next. My ideas ar Argentia, a page for famous , Burma , sengal, an indian brakawy sate, funtech , a hungary or korea
- Relations:Yeah that’d be good.
- Up to you
So are you saying want me add relations with non north american nations. If you don't like ideas I am willing to change them
No, they’re fine, as I say, feel free to add ideas with going through me, if it makes it quicker.
I have started a page on burma. it is basily just heading a mention that an oceian led colation invaded in 2001 to dismatle the illegal burmse junat nuclear program. I went with an oceain coaliton because i feel that the 1991 is too ealier . I think the internaitla leag of states would form no eraleir then 2009 and that lowbalwing. the seocnd of naitons in 1983 doomsday form 24 years after doomsday
I read that myamar has no nuclear power plants. Perhaps i should change the part about the myamr nuclear porgram trigger the invsion by ocenia and sout chian by the invision be triggered by the use of chemical weapson in bangledest by the mygmar junta. Mymar is rumored to have cheimcal wepaosn
I remeamber you said you plan possably do a norht china page. I hope you do. It would nice for you to return to 1989 war. If you do north china. I hope you go with my idea that an north chinesse uprisign happen in the eastern part of north china. the commnist paryt is just lef with gnauna qinaiga and part of xingaja(the rest of it is now an inpendent ughura state. The communist party is heavly depeane on centeral asia. The easte part of north china untied with south chia to form unted. The damlah lama take contorl back of tibet. United china would use the same flag as south chian but with the posalbe adaiton of two arm joing hand togethor
Hi Althistwriter, I happened to stumble across your sandbox page, and I noticed that you were coming up with ideas for a republican Australia! As an Australian myself, I thought I may try to give you some pointers on your current ideas.
- It is very unlikely that an Australian republic formed in the 21st century would be a presidential one (i.e. the president holds full executive power). For 150 years prior, the Commonwealth of Australia and the colonies that preceded it functioned as parliamentary democracies. Instead, a parliamentary republic would be far more plausible. This would be where the president holds symbolic power as the head of state, but where actual executive power is held by the prime minister and the government they lead.
- Hieu Van Le probably would not be exempt from the line (I presume by that you mean a presidential line of succession, which I would argue is unnecessary in the Australian parliamentary republican context) since the Australian Constitution only specifies that one cannot be a dual citizen (i.e. one can only be a citizen of Australia) to hold political office. (Section 44(i)).
- The state of Western Australia is not known as Westralia. Westralia was a name proposed in the 1930s as the name of a new western Dominion after Western Australians voted to secede from the Commonwealth in 1933. This result was never acted upon, however, as when a WA delegation was sent to London to request secession, the UK Parliament ruled it invalid.
Cheers for the information + constructive criticism, it’s good to have it from a native Australian! (Sorry you had to look at my messed-up sandbox page 😬) Do you reckon I could get your opinion on a few more things?
- The President, like you said, holds ceremonial power, and is elected by popular vote.
In the timeline, Australia had a republic vote (similar to 1999) and then a referendum on the type of republic that Australia should be (and how the president should be decided) Do you think the:
- Bi-partisan appointment republican model would have won?
- ..Or where the president is directly appointed by a popular vote, in the Direct Election republican model?
Wouldn’t a ‘line of succession’ have to be in place in the event of the president being killed?
1989 War 10
Do you think Rajiv Ghandia i usding ww3 to delcare a state of emerngry and put the ecletion of 1989. By 1991 or 1992 Public disent causes Rajiv ghadi to hold elcetions Janta dal won the elcetion of 91 or. They stayed in power untill 2003 or 2004. After the janta dal period the congress party came back into for 2 years. these years wher marked by scandle and the congress party. The otl minor lok satta park because a major force atl.It stay untill 2018 when a new center left party called the people leauge.
Really depends on whether India and Pakistan destroy each other in WW3. Given their mutual dislike of each other.
DukeDevon “Until we talk again!”
I thought you want india in one peice. You have them as a permate meaber of the internal league of security couincal. I don't pakistan would try a full fleged war with india. I like the idea of pakistna falling in cival war and eveutnly a junat achives vicotyr and allies with centeral asia
Well it can always change
DukeDevon “Until we talk again!”
India broke apart in 1989 doomsday. I pehar the idea of indai being somewhat unstable in the 90's and early 2000's but they still stay united. and things started improving in the mid 2000's
Got any ideas for burma. Do you think there be factions in new buram that adovate joing either south china india or indochian
I’m not really experienced in Burmese politics, what do you think?
DukeDevon “Until we talk again!”
I think that after Ocenia South china, malysia Indo china and maybe india indonesia korea , thialand and the pacfic states invade in 2001, they will in stall Aun San Su ki as President. B. Her reign will for the most part be a time ofr peace hamrony and devoment but with some cropurtion human right vilotions but no wear near as bad as the junta. Things get more un stable after she leave offine in 2011 ( elceitons were held in 2002 and was worien in 2003) but are . still not in bad shape. the rhaogiaha genocide happens in 2015 but it stops do heavy pressure by ocenaia and south china. Do forgin pressure the roghaigh are officaly granted citizenship
Yeah sounds good
DukeDevon “Until we talk again!”
I Hope you returne to 1989 war some day
Once again I am going sugest that north china cossaple and the major join south china to form the untied repulic of china. I would have he dali lama regain rule over tibet and ughur stand end a puppet. of centeralize Perhaps if you arn't read for the commuisnt party to hold on to the provines of Gansu and Qinghia withe help for centeral Asia. The chiness commisnt rump state with need a name. How about Zhongguo , Huaxia or jinshang. There also aleternate names used for china. The could also calle the coltive name for thier reming terrotiy after chairman mao. My favoire name for the comminst rump state would be Neidi (Inner land). Neidi is coomly used to refer to the intero parts of china
- Ok. Actually sounds good. I like the idea of a Tibet and Uighur State.
Also i think Centeral Asia needs upadting. I feel the poulation is two high. I feel know more then 45 million and that is a streach. Also you had al five otl capitlas of the centeal asin soviet breakaway states as surrivoirng. I feel the american would have destoyed at least thre of capitla.
Astant was not the captial of the kazch solicisgt soviet republic. It was not the capital of kazchastan untill 1997.. In 1989 astan was a small lesser inudstl center of about 290,000 people. It could easily been deemed not worth nuking by the american. In 1989 the capital kach captial was in almaty. Do you want one almaty to be one of the two cpaitl of centeral asia that are spared.
Tashkent is much bigger then Astans and almaty. It would probbly be a good idea to have it nuked because if i surrived centeral asia would probbly be dominated by uzbecks and not by kazchs
I update the the targe list ot include some cities in centeral asia
Do you think the new soviet perimer would have exited afghanstan in 1989 like goboergov did. If not do you think the american would try nuking the kabul . Also do the soviet troops did leave they would try to run things themself be for joining centeral asia
Soviet troops left in Feb 1989, before the POD of November 1989.
DukeDevon “Until we talk again!”
They did otl under goboerobve but didn't govoevoc get overthrown before november 1989
The pod is that Gorbachev changes his tune, about the Berlin Wall, not overthrown.
In the past you told me that gorbachev was overthrown. On the1989 WW3 page you have the russian Leader listed as Nicholas Triovs There is no Nicholas Triovs page on wikiepedia so i assumed that he was ficinatal and that his birth was the pod. I also though you agreded to my idea that back in Nicholas Triovs polburo days he got the soviet goverement to send funds to th e QLF. This result in the QLF not cossapling in the 80's and starting a commuisnt goverment after the war. Also Nicholas Triovs undo most of Gobehrov refroms and result in an arme up rising in the baltics a few days before WW3. That is why the american barly nuked the baltic states
Oh I see, sorry. In that case maybe the USSR would invade
DukeDevon “Until we talk again!”
I would say that Nicholas Triovs over threw Gobachev in late 19888. I see him a soviet hardliner and russain nationlist who reversed most of goarbov reforms. I feel that he he refue to pull out of afganstan. The soviet would delcare rule of afgahstan but would trouble challageing the rebelis utill they got help form centeral asia in exchange joining. Do you think cenreral aisa would have a promble with drug lords or do you think that with out interanltil comdemation of drugs cenrtal aisa would embracing using dtugs as a way of controlling people. Do you think tha once I done with my burma page I will do a page on Nicholas Triovs
I’d imagine people would need drugs un the post-war world.
Do you think american would nuke afgasthan or would they be two worried about harmign there allied rebels. IF kabul surrives the war it would be centeral assia largest city. Since Centeral asia use drugs on thier poeple do you think they would be involed in black marekt opuim trade.
No, I reckon they wouldn’t nuke it.
So that means Kabul will be the largest city of the Centeral Asian Republic. That means the infor box needs updating. Last time i tried updating the centerla infobox i accidnelty turned the infobox into a banner. Do you know how to reformat it. Centeral aisa needs a n eccomny section which shoould probbly include a subsection on drugs.
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Now that Afganstan is part of Centeral the page should be updated to say that Centeral Asia. is made up of 6 state instead of 5. Also I read that centeral asia was riffe with stife in 1989. I am sure there would be a lot of naitonalist uprissing int the early 90's but i think Nursultan Nazarbayev would be be able to crush though a combaiton of brutal force and promise of federalis culturla autuomny I read that myamar has no nuclear power plants. Perhaps i should change the part about the myamr nuclear porgram trigger the invsion by ocenia and sout chian by the invision be triggered by the use of chemical weapson in bangledest by the mygmar junta. Mymar is rumored to have cheimcal wepaosnGoldwind1 (talk) 22:41, March 12, 2019 (UTC)
I think a page on globall eccomny needs to be made. It will probblay be I a while till i gett around to making it. IF you ever return to 19898 war perhas you can start with that
DukeDevon “Until we talk again!” I have read that myamar has no nuclear power plants. Perhaps i should change the part about the myamr nuclear porgram trigger the invsion by ocenia and sout chian by the invision be triggered by the use of chemical weapson in bangledest by the mygmar junta. Mymar is rumored to have cheimcal wepaosnGoldwind1 (talk) 22:41, March 12, 2019 (UTC)
I have fhished the burma page. What should I do next. Niclos tisvoc (the ficinal hardliner commuinst who overthrows Gobeov and start ww3) Neidi (the north chinesse rump set up after rebels took of over most of north china durign the mid 2010 and united with south china to form the united republic of china. Neidi consits ofQinghai, Gansu and easten Xinijang,. They are heavly depenet on support of centeral asia. However Nediad dosn't like being depeendt of cenreral esspaly beause centerl asia made them regonize Ughurastan ), funtech, famous people, or the internet
Really it’s up to you.
DukeDevon “Until we talk again!” . Maybe do a bit about North China idk
I will do Funtech next unless you dedie not to do north china. In that case I will do Neidi next. Neidi my Idea for a north chinese rump eidi consits ofQinghai, Gansu and easten Xinijang,. When do the think that reble will take over eastern north china. I think I will place Neidi capital in Xining
Go for Funtech, it’s a really cool idea
I think that do to the war UCM would form funtehc latter then otl. 2001 seams like it would be approtie. I assume that tehcungly devometn will be solwed down.It wil problby aleast 15 or 20 years behind .Do you think that The super A revoultion will be as powerfull as the ps2 or gamecube or it be more primatet. Do you think funtech would make porable consels.
Probably PS2 levels, I would image portable consoles would require less power and designing, so they probably would
I have read that UMC made conferct nes chips. perhaps before Funtech make the super acan they keep making confiect nes so that borken nes units could be fixed.The super acan was po clone of the genis .Also i am not if the gennis was releasedd in taiwan by 1989. IF the genis was not released in tiawan by 89 that a jappness refuge could sell a genis to funtech. Or do you think Fun teh would be able to make someithing as power full as the geniss by strach
Devon have you checked out my niclas trivos 1989 war page
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Most people think that smart phone were invented when the iphone came out in 2007. The first modern smart phones attulcy came out in 1999 but they exclusive to japan. The first western smart was the t moblie sidekick. I think that in 1989 war would come out in about 2011 in sout china. Do you think UMC would pioneer smart phone. Also I spared san jose so silicon valley surivedd. Do you think Atira would surrive
Do you know that the geniss had an acchment that allowed it to play cds. Do like the of a cd attachment for the Super A Star comming out in 2010. I like the name Super B CD or Super B Drive. the B is ment to show that is attahcment that can't work on it's own
Go for broke
Do you like my idea of Atria surviving. It is based in a suburb of San Jose and I had the missile targeting San Jose miss. I don't think Nintendo would be the world's largest video game console manufacturer despite surriving the war.I feel that the unrest of the Japaneses civil war. I can see Aum Sinrakkyo bombing the Nintendo headquarters as part of a campaign to get rid of symbols of the past in order to make way for Shoko Asahara vision of the future. I still like the idea of Nintendo surviving but as more of a elcortic company. I like the idea of Nintendo taking over facoties and reshearch centers that surrived the war but were own by company headquatered in cities that got nuked
I have fhished the funtech page unless you think it is worth wild to mention some funtech compatiors at the top and to make a section on funtech games. I believe there would be several other South Chinaness console makers. Most of them would have either collapse or have been bought out .As i said early i like the idea of nintentdo being a smaller player in the video game industry do to the civil war and ninetndo exanding into outher elcotics like computers and tvs and mabey even cellphones
Yeah, I’m sure there would be a better market for phones and all that. Do you mean Atari?
DukeDevon “Until we talk again!”
Yes i mean Atari. I spared San Jose so Atari's HQ in Sunnyvale survived.
What should I do next Niclos tisvoc (the ficinal hardliner commuinst who overthrows Gobeov and start ww3) centeral gemranyi (the north chinesse rump set up after rebels took of over most of north china, The vdieo game indusyt , famous people, or the internet, Brazil or India
You have the western most part of asia has bein controled by the soveit Republic. I perosnaly think the soviet contorl would stop in the barley contorled ural moutins. But if the soviet republic dose hold on to western siberi then i feel when the rpublc colosspe most if not alll of western sibeira would join the confderation. Future meamber of the confedation are Krasnoyarsk, Alaita Tuva and Irtysh (it is name for the irtsyh river and contorls the west siberia palain)
I know you had south korea anex the north. I think there would probbally would be a a promble with insuregency lead by former north korean genreal in the 90's. The incsuery may still be going on. Hopefully the northern incsurncy , the lost of several cities and eccomic downturn caused by the war won't restalte in the south korean democratic govern being over thrown by a genreal. If that is so hopefully democayr will return by 2012Goldwind1 (talk) 15:51, March 31, 2019 (UTC)
I’d imagine tge North Korean leader would not have much popular support.
I am sure a chuck of the northern army would launch an insurcney. The kims are masters of brain washing proganda. The kim have most of their subject thinking the north is wealthier then the south. Southern attemps to conter norther proganda would be hamper happer by damage to the informa sturture and eccomic downtrun caused the war. Most of the major south korean company are head quatered in seoul . I currently seoul has being nuked but I may spare it and destory busan instead . The lost of seoul would be a major blow to the korean eccomny giving some north gneral room to discerit the south and win peopl to his side.Goldwind1 (talk) 21:16, April 2, 2019 (UTC)
Romania gets hit hard by the american. Romaina Beaks apart into between 8 and 12 little states. Some are republic, some are consital monarchie and maybe room for a theoryary an abosute monarcy, a fasit sstate and maybe even a comminst state (). I like the idea of a kigdom of transvania that venerates Vald Dracula. Dracula is a mixed figure in rommina. He is consied to be some what gcruel but he is cosier a hero for proecitng modern day romania form russia and the trueks as weela as for craking down on interal croputiin
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I remember you said you plan possibly do a north china page. I hope you do. It would nice for you to return to 1989 war. If you do north china, I hope you go with my idea that an north Chinese uprising happen in the eastern part of north china during the 2010'. The communist party is just left with Gansu Qinghai and part of Xinjiang(the rest of it is now an independent Uhgara State. The communist party remaining territory is called Nehdi(Mandarin for Inner land). Nehdi is heavily dependent on Central Asia. The eastern part of north china untied with south china to form untied China. The Dali Lama took back control back of Tibet after the Northern Chinese uprising. United China Sould use the same flag as south chian but with the possible addition of a picture two arm joining Hand together.
Romania gets hit hard by the American. I think Romania would break apart into between 8 and 12 little states. Some are republic, and some are Constitutional monarchies. Devon room for a theocracy, an absolute monarchy, a fascist state and maybe even a Communist state (The Romain people would probably reject Communism after the war but I feel that it possible that either old guard communist officials could hold on to a city or two or a small region fall under a moderate ). I like the idea of a kingdom of Transylvania that venerates Vlad Dracula. Dracula is a mixed figure in Romanian. He is considered to be some what cruel but he is also consider a hero for protecting modern day Romania from Russia and the Turks as well as for cracking down on internal corruption.
Do you think Yugosalvic would break apart like it did otl.(f the later happens perhaps their could be an independent Kosovo, Vojvodina, Ilirida,(Illrida proposed state for Albanians in North Macedonia) and Republika Srpska])
Ok, I feel like these small rival states would mostly unify in (at least) the 2010s, save a monarchical and theological State.
Yugoslavia was a mess that was bound to fall apart either way. Think, 1989 is only a few years from OTL collapse.
Here are my ideas for the Romanian rump states
1 Republic or Kingdom of Dobrogea (Capital is in Tulcea )
2 Republic of Banat (capital is in Timisoara )
3 Kingdom of Moldavia( Capital is in Iasi
4)Kingdom of Transylvania(Southern Transylvania. Capital is in Brasov )
5 Holy state of Carpathia or Ruthenia (Northern Transylvania capital is in Bistrița )
6 Republic or Kingdom of Crişana (Capital is in Arad)
7 Republic of Dacia (Capital is in Bacau )
8 Republic of Kingdom of Oltenia ( Capital is in Râmnicu Vâlcea or Craiova)
9 Republic or Kingdom of Muntentia (Capital is n Pitești )
10 Republic of Kingdom of Wallachia (Captial in Brăila)
Potential state mergers
1 Federation of Romania (all touching Romanian Republics )
2 Empire of Romania (All touching Romania Kingdoms )
The America don't bomb Yugoslavia but the soviet. Trivos thought of the Yugoslavia as being traders to communist. Most of the damage happens to majority ethic Serb Territory. The fact that more serbs died in ww3 then the other eithic groups of Yugoslavia means that Serbians have power to genocide. The Serbs are also too busy fighting among them selves to kill other ethic groups. There five different cites claiming to be the cpaital of serbia. They are Banja Luka,Kragujevac Smederevo Kruševac and Novi Sad. By the mordern day at least 3 of them still exist. Only the goverment in Kragujevac is still called Serbia. The other 3 argred to take ove name after a pecea accord was reachedGoldwind1 (talk) 16:29, April 13, 2019 (UTC)
There a page of for the South African Civil War but I feel that it need more detail. I still feel that F. W. de Klerk will still try to reform South Africa but he will face stronger opposition in parliament then otl. There may be a coup attempt against de klerk . Do you think the treaty that ends the war will result in most of south Africa being run by a multi racial harmony government, but a small part of western africa (either center around cape town or Orania) called VolkstaatGoldwind1 (talk) 17:20, April 14, 2019 (UTC)
IF Athens got nuked do you think but no other city in Greece did do you think would do think the provisional regional governments would soon reunite or would Greece still be fractured. Do you think a new kingdom would spring up. I find that unlikely. the last king of Greece was well hated. . Please respond to my backlog
Also do you think Nicolas Trivos would rule the soviet republic after WW3 or do you think he would be blamed for the war and replaced by someone just as bad. I I am being to think that the Aum shiroko Dictatorship would have collapsed by now because the captial sendia was devestated by the Tōhoku earth quake. I find ironic if Shoko Asahara maybe a anccoment that he had a vison that was going to hit Kyokto with a major earthquake only for the Tohoku earthquake to happen the next day Also Please respond to my backlog
Provaly replaced. Yeah the Aun Shihriko thing isn’t up to you
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Who do think would replace Trivos as leader of the Soviet State.Since the Soviet Republic is a dictatorship, I would say that we would want another hardliner . How about Valentin Pavlov or Vladimir Kryuchkov. Or should make up another ficitonal person.Goldwind1 (talk) 19:38, April 18, 2019 (UTC)
Do you like the idea of of the phiplines balaknizing. I feel that the destrtion of Manlia might make the muslims in Mindanao want to declare indpences. Do aslo like the idea of an indpent Vizavys to serve as a buffer state
Ever heard of stewert island new zealand. It is the largest in new zealand how ever it is sparley poulated. Perhaps it could be used for refguee camps. Also perhaps these could later turn into townsGoldwind1 (talk) 17:11, April 21, 2019 (UTC)
There a page of for the South African Civil War but I feel that it need more detail. I still feel that F. W. de Klerk will still try to reform South Africa but he will face stronger opposition in parliament then otl. There may be a coup attempt against de klerk . Do you think the treaty that ends the war will result in most of south Africa being run by a multi racial harmony government, but a small part of western South Africa (either center around cape town or Orania) became a white supremacist state called VolkstaatGoldwind1 (talk) 17:20, April 14, 2019 (UTC)
IF Athens got nuked do you think but no other city in Greece did do you think would do think the provisional regional governments would soon reunite or would Greece still be fractured. Do you think a new kingdom would spring up. I find that unlikely. the last king of Greece was well hate
Does North have a heavily regulated private sector or did they go back to total state control. If they still have a private sector I think Wang Jianlin should be north china richest businessman.
- Russia:Either Pavlov or Kryuchkov I’d say.
- Phillipines:Yeah this sounds like an interesting idea, go for it.
- South Africa; Okie dokie.
- Greece:Yeah, most of the regional governments would reunify, maybe except from the Serbs and Bulgarians in the North.
- Chuna: Ida imagine total state control.
OTL Chiananess president Xi Jiping is form Beijing so I think he would probably die when the city got nuke. So North China would need some else to be their leader. I would suggest Wang Jianlin as President/ Chairman of North China. Wang is a meamber of the chinaness communist party. With the private sector eliminated I feel wang would focus on poltics
I think the Ukraine would be pretty fractured. There would be several republics, kingdoms, and possibly a right wing Ukraine nationalist dictatorship and a moderate Gorbachev style state. Also how about part of the ukraine and belrus joining the polish Baltic commmonwelath.
I you originally planed to have India stay in one piece because there were on the International League Security council. But when I told you about my plans for India you said you weren't sure if India wouldn't break apart. I hope you decide to keep India in one piece. India has broken up in the other big post nuclear war timelines.
Do you like the like the idea of the idea of Olso getting nuked and Noerway spiting into at least 2 state. One is a model democracy the other a Neo Nazi State. Sweden avodis gettign nuked because of it's nerotlity. Also how about a failed neo nazia coup in sweden
do you like the idea of nikolaos michaolakos geting out of athens and finding a fascist state in south west greece
please adress the backlog
I have finished the Nicolas Trivos page. What should I do next Central Germany, Ughurastan, The video game Industry , famous people, Brazil, Transylvania, Turks and Cacios Islands or the UAE.
please adress the backlog
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Do yu want korea to be an rich nation. If so i may want have the soviet bomb miss seuol because pretty much all the major korean companies are headquater there
ALso do think that during ww the soviet union suffered form several broken arrow indient (a broken arrow is a term for a nuke expolsing in it's silo) due to poor soviet engiering
Also please check out the back log in the 1989 war 14 section
I have started a new page for transyvan have you check it out.. Also please check out the 1989 war 14 backlog
Does this slience mean you to posting for a while. just say the world and i will stop telling you ideas for a few months
No, I didn’t mean to give you the impression that I’m blocking you out, I’ve just been trying to focus on my own ideas, life’s been quite busy atm. However, I do want to say something. Don’t feel like you have to go through me to confirm ideas. You’ve been editing ‘89 war for such as long time, I can trust you. If I have any fault with anything, I’ll contact you. As you’vedefinitely noticed, I don’t really have much interest in 1989 anymore, I just feel like it’s not sustainable. Its contributed so much to my althist experience, and shaped me into the writer I am today. Thanks for your work,
DukeDevon “Until we talk again!”
I feel that talking with someone else help me devople my ideas. If you want i could try to find someone else to help me brain storm. Also when you have a moment please try to to respond to atleast part of the backlogGoldwind1 (talk) 15:23, May 2, 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, I would suggest someone else who can give your ideas the proper consideration. I’ll address the backlog:
- Go orc Wang.
- Ukraine would be nuked quite heavily I would imagine. Here’s what I’m thinking:
- Orthodox Church is influential - a theocratic State
- An independent Crimea and Donetsk
- A reestablishment of the autocratic Ukrainian State.
- A democratic republic
- The remains of the Communist government
- Norway’s a Part of NATO, so Oslo would be nuked. Yep, I like that idea.
- Greece:Yes sure.
- Nukes:Eh, maybe one or two, but not too many,
I hope I can find someone. I am afaird that besides you most of the people in my network have abandoned the wiki. There, a guy who post on doomsday timeline i was friends with still post occasionally. There is a small chance that me may be willing . I can also try to see if I could attract some else to the 1989 war and hope that they will be willing to let me consult them. I hope you don't mind if I respond to your comments on the ukraine by saying i plan to have it borken into 10 parts 1 ukraine state ,2 Donnbas (Dontesk republic). 3 Dnieper4Polissia5 Siveria6 Zaporizhia 7 Ruthenia 8Podillia 9 Volhynia 10 Dniester
I like the idea of of moldava getting off lighter then any other socviet republic. I feel that five potneial targest in the rpublic Bălți, Chișinău, Rîbnița, Tiraspol, and Mărculești Air Force Base. I like idea that the atleas the bombs targeting chianua and ribinta fail to blow up the targeting balia or tiarposlt falls miles a way in rusia . There is a possalbuty that the bialt may not be targeted by the american because of it's small population. I not sure if i want traspol desturied . destoying tairpol would prevent the tnistinia war.
Oook. Sounds good,
So so should Moldova become a theocracy (Some guy would spin all the failed American attacks as a holy miracle) g socialist state (Moldova was the first in Europe in the 21st to elected a communist government in a multiparty sysytme) or a multipary republic. The reason I may Moldova get off so lite is because it is the poorest nation in europe otl. I may also have Moldova change it name to Bessarabia (a historical name for the Moldova) as a peace offering to the Iasi based princpality of MoldviaGoldwind1 (talk) 22:03, May 10, 2019 (UTC)
I finished the Transylvania page. Should do I do Central Germany, Ughurastan, The video game Industry , famous people, People's republic of Venuzula, Fasscit Norway breakway Volkstat, (IF i do that i feel that you may want to add more details to the south african cival war page)auto indtury The UAE or IndiaGoldwind1 (talk) 20:14, May 18, 2019 (UTC)
We have't paid much attention to the middle east. I belive that with america and the soivet union gone sadama hussain woul probbly try to conquer the middle. I think there is a deccent change that he would be defeated by a colation of arab states. Do you think it is possable that a soviet nuke targeitng Diyarbaki tukey could miss it mark by so much that it hit badgah killing sadama and his childern also finished the Transylvania page. Should do I do Central Germany, Ughurastan, The video game Industry , famous people, People's republic of Venuzula, Fasscit Norway breakway Volkstat, (IF i do that i feel that you may want to add more details to the south african cival war page)auto indtury The UAE or IndiaGoldwind1 (talk) 10:50, May 22, 2019 (UTC)
I am afraid that the other person who said they were will to discuss ideas with me hasn't posted in 2 weeks I guess I try to drop a message on his message page to see if it would get him to come back. I not sure if it would . He had only be a memaber of the site for 3 days before droping off the site. Also I updated the nuclear target list so that all 50 states have been covered. I guess i will focuss on .Goldwind1 (talk) 02:09, May 24, 2019 (UTC)
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I have heard that several communist rebels in north easr india. Reble groups includ people liberaiton army of manipur, national socistl couil of nagaland, United Liberation Front of Assam , National Democratic Front of Boroland and the Kamtapur Liberation Organisation. I like the idea of north east india falling to comminst . I also like the idea of neapl and maybe begldes fallign to commisnts. Please adress the backlogGoldwind1 (talk) 17:45, May 25, 2019 (UTC)
Australia and New Zealand doesn't have much of a milatry or manufacturing base. Thus i find Oceania being a super power to be a bit of a stretch. They could be a middle power maybe even an upcoming super power if they have success in building there industrial base. I feel that Oceani maybe a super power if the pacfic states joins them. Having the pacific states join Ocenia would benfit form the remants of the american milatary and silicon valley (San Fransisco Sanjose and Oakland, surive. I like the idea of Sanfrasico county, San Mateo County, Santa Calar County,Alameda County and Contra Costa county merge in a city called Pacfic City ).
Please respond to my backlog
Devon do you think that it plausible that a soviet nuke tarrgint some where in eastern turkey could miss far enough that it destorys Bagdad. The Destitution of Bagdad would procect the middle east form the possalbity of Samdam hussian trying to crave out an empire
Please respondI have my artilce on the turks and caicos. I am thinking of something in the middle east but i first what to know if you think that it plauable that a soviet nuke tarting eastern turkye could misss enought to acicdnetly destory bagdad IRaq
Please respond to the message below and the back log above!
I have started the page for Neiliu the north Chinese rump state founded in the after of a pro south china uprisings. It contains north china's territory west of Shanxi minus Tibet and the Uhugar part of Xinjiang. The uprising of 2015 is know as the theme park revolution. The road to uprising began when North Chinese chairman Wang Jianlin got jealous of South China's new theme park and decide North China needed a larger park. He cut money form health care and agriculture and healthcare to fund his park and forced several farmers to move to the city, so he could use the land they were growing crops on for the theme park. The people felt the themepark was vainty project and rebelled. The theme park causing the revolution is reference to Wanda's failed thmepark plans.Also please respond to my backlog
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Do you mind if I edit your polish baltic commonwealth page to add sections on the eccomny and culture. Also do you like the idea of Belarus and a few urkaine states uniting with poland Baltic in 2012 and shortly after that the name of the polish balictic commom is changed to Intermarium. The Intermarium was the name of a polish lead eastern European federation. Also how about Chesoavaka and hungary joining the inturiam
Poland-Baltic - Yeah go for it.
- Bomb hitting Baghdad - I don’t know we’ve had a few missed Nukes, more seems ASB
I hope you don't mind that I made a made article that said that north china suffered a uprising in 2015 other govemrnet destorying farmland in the middle of a faimnie to build a modern themepark bigger then the one in south china. the eastern provines overthrow the comminst party and joined south china. The comminst china manged to hold on to the western provinces do to a mix of violent crackdown on rebels, propganda (inclduign orwelain style hisotry record rewritting) and support form Centeral asia.
I bing up an old point again. I don't think that oceania would be a supper power because most of austilia and newzealand industy was gone by 1989 and they don't revice the survign pacific assecct of america amry like they did in 1983 doomsday like they did in. I feel south china and the pacic state would the regogial supper power.South chian has more industyan and pacfic states have the regiognal rmiang of the americna army (ther navy should be god because peral was spared) and booming tech industy because siclon valley was spare in Oceania only advages over south china are that is was not nuked and and porbbly suffeerd lest voicne in the early days after the war. I feel that they only way ocenia would be a supper power is if it merged with thepacig states
I fhinshed my eccomic information on the polish baltic commonwelath. May I please have premison to have the commonwalth expand inot blerus western ukraine and maybe hungary and chezcholia
Do you whant chsoglzal to stay united instead of break apart like otl. IF so I should edit the list so that prauge is spared bt bratsalva is nuked.
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I know you liked the of a fascit ukrinae state. I have it cented in south east ukraine. Do you like the idea of the fassit ukraine trying to conguer the states in western ukriane. They make alot of progress olny to turned back and acutlry lose teority becuase the western ukarine got help form poland baltic. This led to the demcoartic western ukairn states federing with poland blatic. The thorcary stays indpenad
Do you think it would be worth a page for the post ww3 candy instury
I agree with that the netherlands would be mostly under water but Belgium may surrive The only major soviet targets in belguim are brussel antwrpe and Kleine-Brogel . I feel that soviet perfer goign after the america and maybe converstign a few bombs . I made that bomb targting burusel missed and landed out side of belguim , the bomb targing antwrpt failed to explode and the one tarigt Kleine-Brogel merrly leaked radtion. Do you like the idea of blegium/ falnder launchign a land reclamiton project in the nethelands
Do you like the of Inida barely being to stop the seddiesotinst in south india though a combiaiton of dipomancy and milarty but nationlist in north east inand and comist in ceneral east india succufflu form thier own state, Or should the sothern naitonlist also succed
Ever heard of a cartoon called Hero 108. The internet lists it as Japaneses America show but the creator was from Taiwan. The creator of Hero 108 would probably survive WW3. Do you think Hero 108 would be one of South China's top cartoons.
Should Moldova be a theocracy, a kingdom , A republic, or a glasnost socialist state
There is also a little back in the section above
German Heritage Question
First of all, I’ve been loving your timeline.
Second, I am curious about former german Africa. Given the otl nature of German colonization it seems likely that much german influence will remain. For example, Namibia, which has been away from Germany for a looong time retains many speakers. OTL modern France retains a francophone sphere. Will modern Germany retain a similar neo colonial arrangement? I would assume they would meddle a lot in the Cold War.Also, given that much of Africa likely speaks german, is Germany a global language akin to otl French English or spanish?