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Norfolk Naval Base Article
I noticed you made some minor edits to the Norfolk Naval Base article. I wanted to make you aware I am the current author for the article, having taken it over from the original creator with their permission. I will be making a number of changes to it to bring it into line with my other articles for the region. As such, I ask that you refrain from making any changes since I will likely be removing them when I rewrite the article. Thanks.--Fxgentleman 00:19, October 2, 2011 (UTC)
Look at the article history to find out the creator.
On another note, since you seem to be looking at doing so, please ensure you understand the Adoption Policy of this wiki.
And, look here for a bunch of timelines up for adoption, which you can just adopt - so long as you remember that you cannot change anything that is currently written.
Lordganon 07:29, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
CA Republic adoption
All yours buddy, good luck. User:Riley.Konner 16:50, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
- You can do what ever you want with the article, remember when I relinquished control it became yours entirely so with as you please. You're doing a better job on it than I ever did, and unfortunately I will be pretty inactive on this wikia until the spring, I will check in on occasion. One thing I will do, probably tomorrow, is rework the main Red Victory if you want that entirely. Riley.Konner 17:21, October 31, 2011 (UTC)
You can join, choose your area!!:D Imperium Guy 07:32, November 1, 2011 (UTC)
BTW, sorry for not noticing earlier!! :/ Imperium Guy 13:16, November 1, 2011 (UTC) What I think you should do is exoand your territories and stablize more before trying to create a second nation as your nation needs to grow. Its early days!! :D Imperium Guy 10:58, November 5, 2011 (UTC)
Peaceful Democracy (Map Game)
Could you add America to the map since I'm not sure where are you located, on what island and where exactly. Or do you want me to add you myself? Doctor261 15:10, November 5, 2011 (UTC)
Sure thing. By the way, is your America = USA or just another original country? Doctor261 15:17, November 5, 2011 (UTC)
I see you're not really informed. In this map game, Japan, China, USSR, USA, The Third Reich, Fascist Italy and other countries DO exist, but these islands in this map game are having a small role to it. You can have good relations with USA, but you can't found USA. You see what I mean? Doctor261 15:24, November 5, 2011 (UTC)
So yeah. You gotta change all these "Los angeleses" etc. etc.
Sorry I haven't introduced myself (this is awkward). Dunno how to phrase this without sounding weird or giving too much info, but, I saw some of your posts in Radioactive Tide Map Game. You wouldn't happen to have any connections with any of the places you mentioned in-game? I happen to have a few myself. Detectivekenny (Info; Talk) 07:33, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
Axis vs Allies Revised
Red Victory adoption
I officially hand over all control of the Red Victory TL to you, I may check in once in while, and make some final edits before Tuesday, good luck, and have fun. Riley.Konner 22:11, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
- Yes it does. Riley.Konner 19:12, November 10, 2011(UTC)
I don't know!! ;) I don't know how to operate the nation thingy on RT myself!! :D Imperium Guy 23:06, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
Would you be able to wait 10 days? If so, then I think you probably will be able to get a second country. Hows that?? :D Imperium Guy 15:49, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
In Peaceful Democracy? However you wish. It's better to add yourself yourself(double-yourself ftw), so I won't make any mistakes on how do you think. Doctor261 18:15, November 11, 2011 (UTC)
Chinese Civil War
Hey, here are a few events that could've tipped the balance in the Nationalists' favor:
- In 1927, Chiang Kai-shek was looking to rid "his" Kuomintang of communist members and influences. This culminated on April 12th, when the army of Republic of China marched into Shanghai and arrested thousands of communist sympathizers and publicly executed hundreds. Many important communists perished during and after the event, including the co-founder of the communist party, Li Dazhao on the 28th of April. But what if this haphazard "purification" had been successful in eliminating more high-ranking communists, like Chen Duxiu and Zhou Enlai?
- In 1934, the Nationalist forces were victorious in their 5th Encirclement Campaign against the Chinese Soviet and forced the communists on a retreat, known as the Long March. Chiang Kai-shek send his army in pursuit of them, but although the nationalists outnumbered the communists 3 to 1, they failed to destroy their adversaries. In total, the skirmishes and more importantly, the elements and the lack of a chain of supply, cost the communists 80,000 men - only 7,000 arrived safely in the new Shaanxi Soviet. What if the communists had even worse luck?
- The Xi'an Incident that took place in December of 1936 interrupted Chiang Kai-shek in his preparations for renewed offensives against the communists. Even worse, he now had to unite "his" National Revolutionary Army with the communist armies in the face of Japanese aggression. What if the incident was foiled? With a bit of luck, the Chinese Soviet will shatter between the NRA and IJA; who hate communism equally. For this to work however, Stalin has to keep his nose out of it.
- The government of the Republic of China had always been based on east coast, where the great cities are, and as a result never had much influence on the rural peasant and his (often corrupt) landlord. The communists however, based in the rural and mountainous areas, did everything to garner the peasant's and worker's support, resulting in things like the 5.3 million men strong communist peasant army during the Huaihai Campaign of 1948. Now, what if the Republic of China had rallied the lower classes to her cause, instead of the communists?
These are just the ones I came up with when searching a POD for one of my own timelines; let me know what you think. --XterrorX 18:02, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
I´m afraid you´ll have to Google or visit Alternate History.com for that (especially Hendryk on AH.com is very knowledgeable when it comes to Chinese history). I often use Wikipedia, the sources they note underneath each article and my own book collection for my writings. --XterrorX 21:50, November 17, 2011 (UTC)
Go for it. Do you want me to tell the areas of the countries (I have the largest, lol)?? :D Imperium Guy 16:03, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
If you're creating the RT map, you shoould know the areas they cover. Here we go!!</p>
- Outback Colonies: coves half of Australia
- Empire of New Albion: controls new England, the Canadian Maritimes, and expanding New Netherlands to control New York, Pennsylvania and New Jersey
- Republic of Las Vegas: covers a large portion of southern Nevada, south-east California, and north-west Arizona
- Japan: controls all of Japan
- Greater isles: controls Ireland and Wales
- Federation of Hind-Bharat: controls all of Pakistan, half of India, Nepal, Bangladesh and half of Mynmar
- Nebel-German Confederation: covers Germany, Austria and Poland
- Biafra: covers half of OTL Nigeria, mainly the coast
- American Federation: covers most of the area around the Great Lakes
- Greater Slavic Confederation: all of european Russia
- Republic of Riverside: unknown (are you it?)
- Repiblic of Texas: a bit obvious
- Parlemetto Confederation: lots of area around New Orangesburg
Imperium Guy 16:10, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
These colours and add colours for the new countries, whatever you prefer. :D Imperium Guy 16:23, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
Tthe Greater Isles needs Scotland added, Biafra is a bit bigger, the Republic of Las Vegas is triple in size (expand it east in the map). Did you add the republic of Texas and the republic of Riverside on the map? Apart from that, the map is brilliant!! :D Imperium Guy 17:52, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
Brilliant map!!!! :D Imperium Guy 18:38, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
I didn't deserve to. Go for it!! :D Imperium Guy 18:48, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
Hello! I am glad you are on board the map game and I hope it'll be a good one. Before I start, I just want to notify you of some things.
I'm going to extreme lengths to prevent this game from becoming implausible. Please note that moderators will have Delete on Sight permissions. This means they can delete anything they see implausible. Granted, I'll probably just cross it out so I don't confust people, but be warned that the mods reserve the right to remove problematic people from the game.
There will be algorithms factoring wars and revolutions. Keep in mind that, unless improperly done, an algorithm's result is final. Moderators will be keeping track of the algorithms. These algorithms are to keep the game plausible and fair.
The moderators are an impartial and fair group of players that have shown enough responsibility and plausibility to hold their positions. They will not be biased or unfair. That being said, please don't accuse them of being biased or unfair.
If I didn't scare you away from the map game with all this stuff, feel free to post on the map game. Good luck!
CrimsonAssassin 04:07, November 22, 2011 (UTC)
Could I review your progress so far? If you have managed your country successfully and you don't think having a second country will add load then you can have it. Hows that?? :D Imperium Guy 22:10, November 22, 2011 (UTC)
It seems good but year 350 poses a few problems. If the bofors taken from the aircrft carrier are small, they are fine. How would you be able to salvage the aircraft carrier without diving suits and how would you be able to keep the salvaged metal on to the sub? :S Imperium Guy 22:21, November 22, 2011 (UTC)
Oops, my bad!! :/ That's fine, but the salvaging must not be too fast, an aircraft carrier is huge. Would you tell me where you would want your second country?? :D Imperium Guy 22:30, November 22, 2011 (UTC)
Be careful, but go for it!! :D Imperium Guy 22:35, November 22, 2011 (UTC)
No probs!! :D Imperium Guy 22:39, November 22, 2011 (UTC)
Unless you are willing to fight a civil war, don't be the Republic of Washington, that is the main area of the Chesepeake Union. :/ Imperium Guy 22:43, November 22, 2011 (UTC)
Do you want to become a mod on RT?? :D Imperium Guy 09:34, November 25, 2011 (UTC)
I think asking first, if they don't respond then a star will be put beside their country with a key stating that the countries can be taken over. Don't erase the countries or your hardwork will be for nothing!! :D Imperium Guy 23:17, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
Well, if new people come and they want to start again then we'll say the countries collapsed and make room. However, most likely, new people would see how large and (possibly) stable it is and take it over. How's that?? :D Imperium Guy 23:30, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
Yay!! :D Imperium Guy 23:35, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
States of America 3
Check out the game, and if you accept Mexico's offer tell me, and we will help Mexico end its civil war as well as gaing the border states as Mexico promised. I fyou elp me,the borders will become that of above. DeanSims 16:41, November 24, 2011 (UTC)
it wouldnt be agaisnt the rules because they were offered and sincemore than on country is doing it as well as elping another country restore peace, as well as we are kereping our post US collapse borders with eachother and the rest of the American factions, it is fair game in my opinion, and we are both mods, so 2/3 majority vote, or you and me, allows it as well. I will send troops into Mexico to help after this message is fnished.
DeanSims 17:41, November 24, 2011 (UTC)Here is the map of the two Mexicos and how the territory will be split without California DeanSims 18:16, November 24, 2011 (UTC)
Good. I took the southern part of Sonora,which was yours originaly so I could have access to the Pacific Ocean and gave you Baja California which have been given to California but it didnt answer the offer. I gave you a tak division while I have 60 total tank divisions and an army of 300,000 men.
DeanSims 18:22, November 24, 2011 (UTC)
ok, no more turns after 1938.5, got it. you should post on those turns too though. DeanSims 18:47, November 24, 2011 (UTC)
yeah, but they cant attack a specific enemy over and over until they are almost destroyed. DeanSims 18:34, November 25, 2011 (UTC)
You're so interesting to play with <3. Especially when you cover all aspects of military, government, people, parties, etc. <3 It makes you actually alive and fresh and realistic. I love ye'. No homo. <3 Doctor261 06:05, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
Could I write about India on the portal page please?? :D Imperium Guy 14:51, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
Taking Over While Im Gone
I will be gone for a week, possibly longer, I would like you to take over for me in my map games as my countries. I will also ask Imperium Guy, so you both might temporarily replace me while I am gone. Here is the list of my map game and nations and what my strategies/instructions are for them:
My Map Games and their country:
- States of America 3 (Map Game): Texan Confederation. Do not expand until 1940.0, then invade Mexico and Louisiana and annex them both. Help your allies (Deseret, the Republic of Virginia, and the Great Lakes Republic), with their conquests and keep improving the armed forces as best you can.
- Axis vs Allies Revised (Map Game): USE (United States of Earth) Will be peaceful after conquest of Africa is finished but will heavily work on the Armed Forces
- Fractured America (Map Game): USA Will not start wars except to conquer Peru, Venezuela, and Ecuador. If any USA colonies are attacked offer peace deals to the attackers that work for both sides. Continue to expand the Armed Forces and Navy as much as possible.
- Greater Europe (Map Game): UOSR, stay at peace as much as possible. Keep USA and USSR on your good side if you can. Try and conquer Persia, the USSR is helping you in this matter and don’t forget to say you are working on a nuclear bomb.
- Radioactive Tide (Map Game): Chesapeake Union; Stay at peace with other user-controlled nations but expand the Armed Forces, Navy, and the CU itself as much as possible.
19:42, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
IndiaWell, if you don't mind, could I do it please?? BTW, without China invading Tibet, Tibet would be Indian as the Dalai Lama has asked whether India would like Tibet as a special adminstratve region and without China invading, India would have agreed. Is that fine with you?
I would say India would also be a world power as they have the 3rd largerst army in the world and would be THE largest democracy in the world. :D Imperium Guy 20:17, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
You could just have 5 world powers, simple!! :D Imperium Guy 20:32, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
Changed the map because I am planning to write about the Indo-Pakistan war of 1971 will escalate (and colours slightly better!!). Is that okay? :D Imperium Guy 20:45, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
Cool! :D. Imperium Guy 21:05, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
Need something more original :P (Talking about your proposed map game) Doctor261 14:13, November 28, 2011 (UTC)
Re: Help/Napoleon's World
Thank you for your interest in Napoleon's World, Kyle!
Well, it is not a 100% open TL, but I am always open to suggestions in two forms: you add something and I edit anything that doesn't conform to pre-existing canon (which is an approach many editors have taken) or you suggest your ideas to me, 99% of which I usually find a way to incorporate into the TL in some way, shape or form.
I noticed you seem to have a pretty sound knowledge of the US military; wars, in particular the French Civil War, Alaskan War, Pacific War, English Anarchy and Brazilian War, are things that I'm not super good at writing and could certainly use help with, especially tactics and so on.
KingSweden 03:41, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
Probably the Pacific War, with all of its naval battles, the Japanese invasion of the western United States, the campaigns throughout Asia, etc. I'm excited and intrigued to see what you come up with!
By the way, I like the Guns of the South cover, great book.
KingSweden 04:03, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
Sure! You can add some new articles if you have any fresh new ideas, I'll admit I haven't lent the Pacific War much attention lately. If anything isn't 100% canon, I'll tweak it but leave the core of your work intact.
KingSweden 04:52, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
That's totally fine by me, I think Yankovic270 already started that though, called it the "Aftermath series." As far as I'm concerned, you're free to expand upon that as much as you like, but it's Yank's creation, not mine.
KingSweden 04:27, December 1, 2011 (UTC)
That's a fun game, I remember that one. Sweet! KingSweden 04:35, December 1, 2011 (UTC)Greater Ming Empire in the light yellow. Jordan Chang 10:22, December 1, 2011 (UTC)
Sure, I wouldnt mind if you contributed to the Australia article, not a full adoption but yhou can definitely expand on it. Arstar 01:28, December 3, 2011 (UTC)
For the record, the article, being actually up for adoption, is something you can adopt and edit freely. Arstar no longer controls it. Lordganon 04:32, December 3, 2011 (UTC)
Taking Over While Im Gone
I know I dont realy know you but I wish to ask for a favor. I will be gone for a week, possibly longer, I would like you to take over for me in my map games as my countries. I also asked Imperium Guy , so you both might temporarily replace me while I am gone. Here is the list of my map game and nations and what my strategies/instructions are for them:
My Map Games and their country:
- 1. States of America 3 (Map Game): Texan Confederation. Help your allies (the Republic of Virginia, and the Great Lakes Republic), with their conquests and keep improving the armed forces as best you can. Keep Expanding when the time is right and try to conquer Central America.</li>
- 2. Axis vs Allies Revised (Map Game): USE (United States of Earth) Will be peaceful after conquest of Africa is finished but will heavily work on the Armed Forces. If any states try to break away, retake them as fast as possible but try to remember that they are given statehood back as soon as they are retaken. Stay with Balticka and the USA, be strong against the Coalition of Asia</li> Try and ally with Egypt.
- 3. Radioactive Tide (Map Game): Chesapeake Union; Stay at peace with other user-controlled nations but expand the Armed Forces, Navy, and the CU itself as much as possible.</li>
- 4. Principia Modernia (Map Game); Incan-Colombian Republic, pleae keep expanding, avoid war at if you can
- Post Apocolysixa (Map Game): Not sure if I spelled it right. Im Texas. Try to expand eastwards but primarily establish the Rio Grande as the Texa border to the south and west.
thanks, i would realy apreciate it. I am only editing today then Im gone again.
DeanSims 19:57, December 3, 2011 (UTC)
I know you dont play States of America 3 anymore, but please just do it, if you cant do that one please do the others at least thanks
DeanSims 19:57, December 3, 2011 (UTC)
so will you do it for me? and the CU on radioactive tide would be bigger. DeanSims 20:19, December 3, 2011 (UTC)
Chile (Nationalist China)
- Well, first, the earthquake in Chile was in 2010, not 2008. jeje I'm not sure how could affect to Chile an nationalist China... mmmm... maybe, an right-wing nationalist candidate like Jorge Prat Echaurren could won the 1964 election... i need think more about this, but i have other questions: What happen with Cuba?. Regards! --Katholico 05:20, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
- mmm, so, the cuban revolution with Fidel Castro in the 1950's still happen, right? --Katholico 06:02, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
- OK. mmm, for Chile, i think that If the communism and the Soviet Union fall in the 1970's, no Allende or another similar politician, and in consequence NO dictatorship in 1973. Today, the political scenario should dominated by Nationalists, Radicals, Christian-Democrats, and Liberal-Conservatives. In general terms all this... what thinks? Regards! --Katholico 06:35, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
Why do you keep calling yourself Great Britian? It's "Great Britain" , not "Great Britian"
states of america entered world stage, Germany, France and the UK are open, I need an algorithm for the game, and your good at that stuff. DeanSims 20:10, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
Napoleon's World College Football Pick'em 2011
It's that time of year again! Time for the annual Napoleon's World college footbal bowl picks. For each game, pick which team you want to win and the results will be used to determine the winner of each bowl in January!
National Championship (Rose Bowl): 2 Cuba Spaniards (13-0) vs. 1 Pacifica Orcas (13-0)
Texas Bowl: (6) Alabama Crimson Tide (11-1) vs. (5) Iowa Hawkeyes (12-1)
Orange Bowl: (17) Peninsula Raptors (10-2) vs. (7) Florida State Seminoles (11-1)
Silver Bowl: (11) Washington Huskies (10-2) vs. (4) Sequoyah Braves (12-1)
Sugar Bowl: (14) Eastern New York Flying Dutchmen (10-2) vs. (3) Mississippi Falcons (12-1)
Peach Bowl: (16) Virginia Cavaliers (10-3) vs. (10) LSU Tigers (11-2)
Chicago Bowl: (12) Louisiana Pelicans (10-2) vs. (13) Michigan State Spartans (11-2)
Manhattan Bowl: (20) Notre Dame Fighting Irish (9-3) vs. (8) Massachusetts Minutemen (10-2)
Paradise Bowl: (9) San Diego Tritons (12-1) vs. (18) Northern Colorado Billy Goats (11-1)
Citrus Bowl: (15) Montana State (11-2) vs. (16) Nova Scotia (10-2)
KingSweden 22:39, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
Or you can say who you would WANT to win, since its a fictional football season that didn't happen. I sometimes poll other users for sporting events or elections to determine who I should have win.
KingSweden 22:52, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
My talk page works, or the talk page for the 2011 NCAA Division I College Football Season. Either or.
KingSweden 23:04, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
Think Before You Enact
Thanks for contributing to my timeline. Are you having any interest towards it? RandomWriterGuy 23:02, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
Re:Think before You enact Questions
Thanks for your contributions. Here are my answers:
- Without the American Revolution or their tax burden, Britain has larger colonial ambitions, something like this timeline.
- I think Britain is willing to try to control all lands bordering the Indian Ocean. I am thinking they may send an expedition to China that will lead to something like what happened in OTL Japan during the American expedition. But without that American expedition, Japan will be something like the last years of the OTL Qing Dynasty. Russia will also try to get a piece of Central Asian land. The Ottoman Empire will be destroyed by European nations (Including the newly independent Balkan nations).
- I will think about that.
Thanks for your contribution! Do you have any ideas for the timeline? RandomWriterGuy 23:44, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
Re: Largest Cities/Bin Laden
Most definitely! Get creative, I haven't lent much attention to the cities pages in a while. They get categorized under
KingSweden 22:28, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
I don't think anybody has written an entry for him in Alternate Destinies, though that idea has been suggested before, by more than one contributor, so it must be a good one. I agree completely, I can't think of anything that would be more appropriate!
KingSweden 04:40, December 7, 2011 (UTC)
Been so long that I can honestly say I haven't the foggiest. My best guess is that I saw a link on Changing the Times or another similar site. Lordganon 06:31, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
No, I don't believe anyone has as far as I know. I don't think there's a NASCAR or an equivalent page for Napoleon's World for that matter. What were your ideas for them?
KingSweden 23:33, December 11, 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure if Kyle Bush (b. 1986) is quite old enough to be a general in the USAF, but he could definitely be a well-known pilot for some combat mission or other. Also, I was thinking that maybe Formula 1 is much bigger in the US than it is today and has taken the place of NASCAR?
KingSweden 23:44, December 11, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah! That would work.
KingSweden 00:00, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
Awesome. I liked all those ideas.
KingSweden 00:03, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
Of course I will. That timeline's great!! :D Imperium Guy 10:30, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
I am not really sure!! :/ Imperium Guy 15:56, December 13, 2011 (UTC)
I could take Eurasia in general, so thats Asia and Europe, if you could take the Americas in general. We'll both work on Africa. :D Imperium Guy 10:29, December 15, 2011 (UTC)
Ok, cool! :D Imperium Guy 16:32, December 15, 2011 (UTC)
Belaurus is a definite. Have Russia asking the breakaway's soon after the dissolution of the USSR, when a few countries are still double-minded. Maybe Kazahistan would join but I would say that would be it. :D Imperium Guy 10:34, December 16, 2011 (UTC)
How about Alec Baldwin and Brad Pitt? Maybe Pitt isn't nearly as famous in this TL.
KingSweden 01:31, December 14, 2011 (UTC)
Could be anyone. There're some directors already established for this TL or you could add one of your choosing.
KingSweden 04:14, December 14, 2011 (UTC)
KingSweden 06:51, December 14, 2011 (UTC)
Yes you can! Remedello
So, will you help in the war against Russia? Remedello
Ok, heres a map of what I was thinking about dividing russian land next to the Black Sea and some other plans for the Middle East, maby we should attack the Ottomans after the war with Russia:
2010 World Cup
Hi Enclavehunter! I'm reading the IFA World Cup article and i see that you put to Brazil in the fourth in 2010, but in the article of this tournament, Uruguay appear reaching the third-place game, while Brazil is defeated at quarter-finals (like OTL).... a mistake maybe? Regards!! --Katholico 02:15, December 19, 2011 (UTC)
World War I
What the world would like after the First World War really depends on how this stalemate came about. What was the reason that the Allies couldn't force a defeat from the Centrals? What kind of treaty, if any, was signed to end hostilities? How did this stalemate "save" Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire (both plagued by ethnic nationalism and dissent)? How did the Russian royal family avoid being overthrown by the Bolsheviks? Those things have to be known first, before you can determine the further history of events. --XterrorX 21:11, December 19, 2011 (UTC)
Che Guevara's World
Thats very kind of you, i try my best to make my articles realistic, thank you. Thats a very good question well first of all Che Guevara had invisioned and hoped to spark many Vietnams in the Third World and specifically within Latin America, this would essentially involve the United States as it would intervene refusing to ever let Communism rise so close to home. and the rest of the world in general. Through these major insurgencies within South America Che would destroy economic, military, and social relationships within the United and eventually breaking the US as whole, however not completely dismantling the US but it would elminate the American imperialistic domination and hold that they had as Premier Superpower. As for Brazil I imagine they too would eventually fall due to revolution outbreaking, and wouldnt really be a major event. I imagine Europe would get involved if the proxy wars began to inlargen and therefore Nato as a whole would be eventually defeated by insurgents waging sucessful guerrilla warfare. Che throughout his life concentrated on destroying US domination seeing it as the enemy of the world.
If there are anymore questions please let me know :) Germanarmy17 23:32, December 20, 2011 (UTC)
Indeed, absolutely Che wished to see the elimiation of capitalism and hipocratic democracy and ultimately to see it replaced with Communism specifically within Latin America, which was completely suffering from infant mortality, mass starvation, illiteracy and other basic human needs. In his mind Marxism he saw was a ready made ideology which had the solution to humanity's suffering and problems. One can also assume that had Communism replaced the dictatorships of Latin America, this could have well led to a Communist led invasion of Southern United States, there also many ways to sitution could have escalated futher, such as if the USSR or China had got directly involved, at this point the world would have been on the brink of World War 3. As for the USSR its likely to assume that Che would have attempted revolution in Russia which he had already began to reject due his belief that the Soviet Union had forgotten Marx and were only serving there own interests and competitions with the United States. Germanarmy17 14:49, December 21, 2011 (UTC)
Well, many POD's are possible, though the popular ones, being Waterloo and the 1812 invasion of Russia were fairly improbable, due to various factors including that even if France managed to win both battles, they will still have to deal with England. That is why my timeline's POD is Trafalgar, where a decisive defeat of the Royal Navy forced England to sign for peace. If England isn't around to bribe other nations, or if the Navy is handicapped in a way to not attack the outside of the French Empire (Spain, Egypt, etc. etc.), then France will be able to secure their empire. In this case, I would say that the minor "peace" between England and France that was signed in 1802, but both sides violated continuously until war finally started up again in 1804, could be a good area to look at. Say that Napoleon doesn't reinforce Haiti, or that the Louisiana Purchase doesn't go through, or that even if both sides don't flaunt the Treaty of Amiens as much as they did in our world.
- Perhaps, but it could be more difficult to remain plausible unless the French got prior warning. The Battle of the Nile was perhaps the greatest example of a surprise attack, so many different things will have to be changed in order for it to work. Lieut. Tbguy1992: Profile; Talk 19:40, December 21, 2011 (UTC)
- As an fyi, if it's not sold, bet on it getting seized by either the US or the Brits, probably both of them. Lordganon 08:50, December 22, 2011 (UTC)
- Well, I would suggest you do your research before you decide to go to far. Alternate History has a way of always going a bit silly, especially the further from the POD as you get. Sometimes the POD is the craziest bit. I have tried to pour in a lot of research into my alternate Battle of Trafalgar, even if I haven't finished the article yet, and tried to do my best to make a plausible progression of events in the ten-fifteen year period after that. After those few years a lot of things can start diverging much more radically from OTL, so that, even by the time you reach the half-way mark of the story, you wouldn't be able to recognize it (easily) from our history. That is the primary thing I have to suggest to you. Lieut. Tbguy1992: Profile; Talk 14:52, December 22, 2011 (UTC)
No worries, lol. You attached the template, that's all I ask. Heck, you even blanked the articles in order to do so, which means I can't help but notice.
One heck of a lot better than the guys who post somewhere that they want it deleted, be in my page or a community one, or just write "delete" on top on it xD
Lordganon 07:56, December 22, 2011 (UTC)
I think thats good, as maybe some countries could have a changed result due to PoD(s) and as well as the FIFA world cup results!! :D Imperium Guy 02:32, December 23, 2011 (UTC)
BTW, what do you think about the information on Indochina on the main and Indochinese page? :D Imperium Guy 02:34, December 23, 2011 (UTC)
I am planning on making the south Nationalist, inspired by China to be liberal and fight communism. I would say that as soon as America starts pulling out, PITO cannot handle standing at the sidelines as another country is about to fall to communism and they invade N.Indochina, turning the tide. Like it? :D Imperium Guy 02:47, December 23, 2011 (UTC)
There is a future wikia, but I like your idea. You would need to ask other users whether they would want to continue the TLs in this wiki on your proposed wiki!! :D Imperium Guy 09:29, December 25, 2011 (UTC)
I think it would be possible to get new users. Go for it, ask the authors, as I am pretty sure that some of them would say yes!! :D Imperium Guy 15:40, December 25, 2011 (UTC)
A warning in advance: if you do what you wrote on Imp's page - or he does it - it will be in violation of the rules of this wiki. Lordganon 15:44, December 25, 2011 (UTC)
Of course. I gave up on it since some parts were too ASB, yet it is easy to be fized. Make it your own anyway you want. RandomWriterGuy 05:58, December 24, 2011 (UTC)
Think Before You Act
No worries, I noticed. He removed the wost parts that were the main reason for me putting that tag on it, so I'm not raising a fuss over it. Though, I think it'll get bad enough for me to do it again, lol. Lordganon 07:55, December 24, 2011 (UTC)
I created a page listing the various casinos in Las Vegas (I just got back from vacation there and felt inspired!) but since you made the Vegas page I figured I'd give you a heads up. Feel free to add any that you might think of to the page!
KingSweden 22:16, December 24, 2011 (UTC)
Well I just put down the names for the four I thought up but I was going to add descriptions later, so however much you want to add. And thanks!
KingSweden 22:22, December 24, 2011 (UTC)
I renamed the French Palace casino, as I doubt anyone would want to celebrate French culture in America. I renamed "Czar's Palace" not only because of the punny name, but because the Alaskans have much more friendly relations with America than the French do.
Yank 23:05, December 24, 2011 (UTC)
Think Before You Act TImeline
Have you checked the timeline page in Think Before You Act? Do you think it looks good so far? RandomWriterGuy 17:51, December 27, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Do you think some parts are ASB? RandomWriterGuy 21:57, December 27, 2011 (UTC)
of course you can join my new map game,
you can sign up as a mod too if you want
DeanSims 21:54, December 28, 2011 (UTC)
ok ur a mapmaker, sign up on the game. DeanSims 17:36, December 29, 2011 (UTC)
go for it, or you could declare independance as the Latin American Republic and take all of Spanish America as long as you help achieve my proposed map. DeanSims 17:50, December 29, 2011 (UTC)
and post on the bottom of my talk page in a new section please. DeanSims 17:50, December 29, 2011 (UTC)
dont be sorry, its cool.
but form the Latin American Union from all of Spanish North and South America and sing an alliance with the USA and Louisiana. Please cede the territories on the proposal map suchas Florida and the Carribean islands i selected to Spain and Luoisiana.
DeanSims 18:05, December 29, 2011 (UTC)
Black Friday Riot
That's not a bad idea, though usually race riots are inspired more by police brutality instead of mall cops (who are private employees). However, there could be a massive amount of violence directed at the mall itself as a result of the violence, and a riot in the surrounding neighborhoods (i.e. a smaller-scale version of what you're advocating).
KingSweden 01:36, December 30, 2011 (UTC)
How can you guys translate Chinese words or even English words into Pinyin? Using somewho website or you guys know that? :D Jordan Chang 14:17, December 31, 2011 (UTC)
Re: How I got started
Well actually the first page I wrote was what is today the History of the United States (1812-1900) page, then Mitro showed me how the naming conventions worked. From there, I had a basic idea (focusing almost 100% on the United States), made the TL page and the Alternate Destinies page, and it grew from there depending on what I wanted to write about that week (or even day). It was very symbiotic.
KingSweden 21:28, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
Sure thing, I've neglected that country in my writings. This page is worth consulting to get an idea for what Korea is like in this TL.
KingSweden 14:26, January 5, 2012 (UTC)
Well, first of all, I wish I came up with that name for my alternate history than the rather long and unwieldy French Trafalgar, British Waterloo!
Now, to some of the things I would like to point out: and I hate to say this, but I have the feeling that the POD is almost too similar to mine, while the wars are almost a complete re-hash of real history. I don't mind if their is another Battle of Trafalgar TL on this wiki, but I personally believe that their are literally dozens of other options for a Napoleonic Wars TL (and I will admit that mine is a bit less realistic than what might be believed, having done the research since I started over two and a half years ago now).
What I did for my TL was basiclly write the story with a short term goal in mind (like such and such a war in the 1850's, for example). Don't hem yourself in from the very beginning with a list of wars that mirror, but are not really Alternate History versions of them. This is a thing a lot of people here do, and it is, frankly, and sloppy, unrealistic and implausible AH. So, I would say scrap the List of Wars page, figure out Point One, then grow from there.
One last thing I will say, and something I saw to everyone that starts a TL: Feel free to change dates! Just because WWI started in 1914 and ended in 1918 in OTL does NOT mean your AH needs to have a "WWI" that starts in 1914 and ends in 1918. Everything after the POD is a blank book: no outlines, no guides, nothing that happened in our world after that date really applies. Think of it like building a house: you don't put in the floor and the roof before you have laid all the bricks or poured the foundation, and you can always add on or repaint it later.
So, go ahead with whatever POD you choose, Trafalgar or something else, it does not matter. But ditch the List of Wars page, or at least be prepared to edit it (rename the wars! Change the order! etc.) so that it will fit in with your TL as you make it.
- Russia is not a good country to invade, even in the best weather, which they have a rather lack of. The spring is muddy, the summer is hot, the fall is short and winter is cold and long. And not only the weather, but the people will resist. Taking over Russia in a year never works. Napoleon, Hitler and so many others have learned that lesson. But Russia would fold in 1806 or 1807 without an invasion, because Russian soldiers are not going to be sent to try to march across half of Europe without help, and if Prussia and Austria, the two nations most likely to help, are out, then they will just stay home. And at Austerlitz, Napoleon basically knocks out Austria, and Prussia is swiftly destroyed by 1808. I think Russia will just say that continuing the war is bad idea, and they will retreat, lick their wounds, and prepare for the next war. Lieut. Tbguy1992: Profile; Talk 05:14, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I can give you some pointers about that.
1. Russia possessed Alaska until 1867, so that part you do not have to worry about. However, Russia exactly wasn't an overseas colonial power, nor had an motivation to become one, with the vast areas of Siberia, and even closer to Moscow, still left to develop. Anyway, I'm sure America would appreciate getting OTL's Canada with just a little fight, so I think the US claiming Rupert's Land (the area draining into Hudson Bay) would be a better idea.
- 2. The US would most likely want more than just Southern Canada, and with England in no shape to do anything and support from France (I assume), then they could take all they want.
- 3. Napoleon, after the failure of trying to reinforce Haiti in 1803, would want very little, if nothing, to do with North America. That's a reason he sold the Louisiana Territory in the first place. If you are going to give Napoleon something, just give him some crumbs that America does not want (maybe Quebec due to the French population, but not Newfoundland: its a good base and dominates the Grand Banks, where a lot of Europeans and Americans fish. I'd think America would want that.
- 4. At this time, there is no "Northern Ireland" or Ireland, just The United Kingdom. Ireland could have all of Ireland with no need to differentiate between the two (except for religion, but whatever). Scotland may indeed declare independence, but I would think Wales would remain part of England due to their long history united.
- 5. What colonies? Besides Canada (which has been covered above), the only "colonies" at this time would be the few penal colonies in Australia, the trading forts in India and South Africa, and a few isolated island outposts. Frankly, they are in no shape for independence (except India), but I'd think Napoleon would either keep it for France or give them to the countries that he now dominates (like the Netherlands or Spain).
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre. RandomWriterGuy 02:34, January 7, 2012 (UTC)
Yes on all four counts. For Chernobyl, why not "Chernoville?" haha
Maybe Three Mile could have been a bit worse in ATL and further hampered President Wallace's popularity? Not Chernobyl bad but worse than in OTL.
KingSweden 01:36, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
Now THERE'S an out of the box idea. I like it. They can relocate the capital to Philly, or maybe somewhere else like Scranton or Erie.
KingSweden 03:35, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
I made a Three Mile page following the ideas you laid out. If there's anything else you see fit to add to it, go on ahead. I renamed Chernobyl "Chernoville," and leave that page up to you.
KingSweden 22:43, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
That sounds good. Hmm well I'm not too familiar with the history of racing so unfortunately, no. NASCAR became as big as it is today in the 1980's and 1990's though, so keep in mind that horse racing was the dominant form of the sport prior to the late 1970's (just a thought)
KingSweden 14:29, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
Video Games FTBW
I do know Supreme Ruler 2020 (I have played it, yes) I just haven't got around to adding that yet. As for Fallout, I wouldn't mind if someone else tried to put that one together, because I haven't played those games, so I don't know what exactly to do.
If you want, you can add some games to it. Feel free to change up the stories a bit (like I did with the Command & Conquer Series), and just have fun with it! Lieut. Tbguy1992: Profile; Talk 14:50, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
RE: your questions
For most of those companies I still haven't decided. I've kept Boeing pretty much the same since I'm from the Seattle area (gotta represent). As for the Super 8 article, go on right ahead!
KingSweden 01:49, January 18, 2012 (UTC)
I'd say all of those earthquakes stay the same (plus I believe San Francisco was in 1905 and the Loma Prieta and Northridge quakes were separate), since I've decided not to screw with natural disasters. I don't think Fort Hood would have happened since there's less animosity between the United States and Middle Eastern countries than in OTL.
KingSweden 19:23, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
It has come to my knowledge that your nation in Avaro has a Nazi party. If the Nazi party is to win, I would like a strong, militaristic alliance with you. It has also come to my attention that Britain is planning to invade Spain and wishes for France to help. I would like to count on your support if that should come to that and if we work quickly, we can strike first! CrimsonAssassin 00:16, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
Re: Questions about New Union
Greetings. Yes, I am the creator and author of New Union. I am glad you have taken an interest. As for the questions you have brought up, I am unable to answer them at the present. However, the Bin Laden question I believe I can give you a vague answer, as I am looking into giving him a very different history than OTL. Not wanting to give it away, he would die sooner, but not before getting caught by the US and put on trial. I hope this was able to help you out, somewhat. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 16:52, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
Early World War I
Why sure you can :) I currently have exams at the moment and want to improve the current content before I go past 1917 so just improve some of the current articles if you could. The Mexican civil war has hardly been done for example, mostly because I know little about the Mexican civil war. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 18:04, January 21, 2012 (UTC)
I think we should wait before creating a new game for a few others to die down. After that, game on! :D Imperium Guy 19:32, January 21, 2012 (UTC)
I agree, a war and expansion algorithym. However, starting sizes of nations should be upto around 250-300px max rather than 100px. Expansion at around 25 px. How's that? :D Imperium Guy 19:43, January 21, 2012 (UTC)
I agree with all your points. :D Imperium Guy 20:25, January 21, 2012 (UTC)
I agree that we should unite, but the name should be the Union of Greater States. Indian is too misleading, lol! :D Imperium Guy 09:06, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
BTW, do you want to handle the colonization of Malasia and Libera, and I'll do Australia, how's that? Then we could discuss what we are going to post for the main year. :D Imperium Guy 12:45, January 26, 2012 (UTC)
Activity Feed Button
Where do I find an Activity Feed button? RandomWriterGuy 02:31, January 30, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the information. There was a badge called Pounce!, which required 100 edits on a page after it's creation. I was wondering, how do I do it? RandomWriterGuy 02:47, January 30, 2012 (UTC)
Re: Lions/Wallace/Pacific War
Go right ahead. Check the AFL page to see when they won the AFL title or lost the title game. I think they've only won it twice but I'm not positive.... there should already be a redlink on that page too.
Well, I was thinking of making George Wallace the head coach of the Alabama football program and switching him around with Paul "Bear" Bryant (both men pretty much ran Alabama equally in the 1960's and 1970's hehe). There was a US President named Neill Wallace, however, briefly after Eisler got assassinated in '78. I full-throatedly support the naming of aircraft carriers after Presidents, so a USS Neill Wallace or a USS Robert Redford (whose term is analogous to Bush Sr.'s) would work in either case, if that's what you're presenting.
Also! We should coordinate better on the Pacific War articles so we don't write things that contradict one another and make sure that we envision the fighting and campaigns heading in the same direction (and keep the days and months roughly aligned to avoid confusion). I definitely like some of what you've done with the Japanese invasion of the US, though, and I appreciate the help.
KingSweden 01:51, January 31, 2012 (UTC)
Re: Pacific War
Well I moved the dates back more towards the spring in order to stretch the campaign out longer (thus giving more opportunities for battles, and longer period of attrition for the Japanese, plus aligning perfectly with the Battle of Panama that eventually breaks the back of the Japanese offensive in the western Pacific). I'm also curious what some of your ideas were, since I don't have a ton of my own.
KingSweden 05:09, January 31, 2012 (UTC)
Agreed. There's some good infromation on Panama/Buenaventura already up from a while back and I fleshed out both the American and Southern Fronts a bit.
KingSweden 06:25, January 31, 2012 (UTC)
Hi Enclavehunter. I understand you are trying to adopt the Australia page but I had asked LG eariler in January. Would it be ok if I kept it? The reason I have not added content is because I've had quite a lot of work from school these few weeks. Note: I am also an Australian so familiarity with the nation will help with my edits. Scandinator (talk) 11:58, February 1, 2012 (UTC)
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I whould like to personally invite you to help me create and expand the Flintlocks Forever timeline. Bobalugee1940 01:46, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
Anything and everything. I want you to invite others and expand on whatever you like, just make sure to run by the major changes with me. Bobalugee1940 23:37, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
Welcome to the game, you are welcome to post in the games first turn and take a mods position.
DeanSims 17:43, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
The game has already started, so please post in the first turn, we want the game to become a fun one.
DeanSims 18:03, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
dont forget that you control New Jeresy, you can post on both turns if you like. DeanSims 19:07, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
Re: Super Bowl
There's no super bowl in ATL, since there are three professional football leagues instead of won. The Washington Redskins and Los Angeles Rams have won their respective leagues, but I haven't decided on the AFL yet (or even who played in the game, for that matter) so I'm open to any suggestions you might have!
As for your second question.... GO GIANTS!
KingSweden 16:59, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
Re: Brazilian War
I still have a ton of work to do on the Pacific War (I'm always expanding things), but I appreciate your contributions if you feel you are done, which would be unfortunate. I thought they were very well thought out (especially the Temecula one). In regards to the Brazilian War, I haven't totally worked out the nuances of the war completely (i.e. how I want certain things to go and so on. It's modelled after the OTL Vietnam War for the most part). What were your ideas?
KingSweden 07:14, February 7, 2012 (UTC)
If memory serves me correclty, McCain was born in 1936 or 1937, which would place him roughly at forty years of age when the war breaks out in late 1977, about 41 when the US becomes involved in 1978, and 47/48 when the US withdraws ground forces in early 1984, and he would be 50 when the war ends in 1987. I've always believed flying is a younger man's game, but with McCain in mind I modelled the experiences of Mark Hamill accordingly in the Alternate Destinies, though not completely analogous. I think someone suggested once to make McCain a Western actor a la Clint Eastwood.
I do suspect the US would use air superiority for the most part, though they support one of the two guerilla forces (the Republicanos) and are opposed by both the National Army and the guerilla Milicias, who fight for the Savala regime. Keep in mind that France never gets directly involved, they are merely supporting Savala with guns and food to keep Brazil running while the US wastes resources trying to protect Colombia's territorial integrity (which is really why the war starts - Savala sends the National Army into southern Colombia to stamp out the Republicanos who are there). I do like the Rolling Thunder shoutout, I'd probably name it the same.
KingSweden 00:33, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
Otl, there was two copies of the treaty that ended the Mexican-American War. One is the otl border (minus the 1853 land purchase), and the other one included Sonora, Baja, and Chihuahua. Have the two reversed, somehow, and you've got most of it. The rest is likely a stretch, though the northern parts of those Mexican states may be possible.
There's really no way possible for the Brits to lose any of that territory with such a PoD.
Add more wars, and you'd likely get 5-10 years faster. 15 is too much. War breeds new technology.
Really no way to prevent the Colonial race, I'm afraid. Best you can do is blunt its effects slightly.
With a Waterloo PoD, there's really no way that France is going to survive like that to be a great power.
Really, France was done by Waterloo. Even if Napoleon had won, at most that slightly delays the inevitable. Honestly, the battle at Waterloo, while the biggest battle of that campaign, wasn't even why he lost that campaign. That reason lies with other armies, from other nations.
France just wasn't at all capable of winning a war at that point. They were a very defeated nation, gasping its last breath. Nor is there any way that the Allies would have let them have any power at that point.
Lordganon 07:48, February 7, 2012 (UTC)
Hi, im going out for a few days and i need you to manage my countrys in my map games.
Axis and Allies Reloaded: You are Japan, You are to stay nuteral in Europe Affairs but can send aid. In Asia, reserch space programs and new weaponry. If Britian or Korea do a move, nuke their Asian Lands. Stay loyal to CNAT until you lose everything but Japan itself. DO NOT GIVE LAND AWAY IN TREATIES!
Hot Cold War-You are North Korea, ask for nukes from USSR. Survive World War 3.
Thank you, if you can;t help, just tell someone else to help. I'll be back next Thursday.
Hey im playing as Nueva Granada in Axis vs Allies reloaded im starting up a new alternate history and was wondering if you could help me out. its A Darker Place
i will in exchange for lots of land in Italy and the rest of Italian Yugoslavai. Greece is to be allowed independance after the war. DeanSims 17:23, February 19, 2012 (UTC)
sweet, the more land I get the better, and i want Greece affered a deal to get southern portions of Italy i it joins CNAT. DeanSims 17:28, February 19, 2012 (UTC)
Joining Axis vs. Allies
Hello, I am plannig to join axis vs allies, but I am not sure what to do when I start or how to join Alliances like the communist or axis ones. Can you help me here? Monster Pumpkin 17:46, February 19, 2012 (UTC)
is vive le revolution your idea? because if it is your position as head mod is waiting for you DeanSims 17:51, February 19, 2012 (UTC)
Germany would have to end hostilities with the Axis, never cooperate with the CNAT again, break all ties with CNAT nations, and stay out of matters between the Axis and CNAT. RandomWriterGuy 01:52, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
If germany wants to drop out of the war, the axis would end all hostilities, and pay reparations. Wegscuba 02:33, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
Axis vs Allies
Hey. On Axis vs Allies Reloaded, Britain is talking about you like you are about to quit CNAT and the war. Is this true. I just want to know. Also, if you are staying, then on the CNAT page, you know how Austria wants to join. They are lying. Just wanted you to know. However, I want to get as many allies to help attack, so I thought we would just go along with it, but make it too weak to attack either one of us. TacoCopper 03:36, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
We can remain trading parteners, that is if I am still a nation after invading two members of the now bigger alliance. Anyways, maybe I can still win this war somehow. Good luck to you in the game. TacoCopper
Invade or take control in a "peacekeeping" manner, the Danzig Corridor. This is the only chance you are going to get. Stay neutral, just take what what was German before Versailles!! :D Imperium Guy 20:26, February 23, 2012 (UTC)
Re:Think Before You Act
I do not know actually. That is a very good question. I mean, why not? There's so much work to do here.
I think the greatest topics is film, media, televsion, sports, literature, and art. It's kind of like Napoleon's World, who has so many articles of these kinds of people. This is a big goal for the TL as I have an Alternate Destines page, yet it is open to ideas. If I approve the ideas, the person can write it in the page. I then go over it and may change it if it is a little wrong. For movies and television shows, it should be the same thing:
I am trying to get the events in history done as well. I mean, there are red links in the War page. Also, I am not good at making maps, so I would need someone for that.
Anyways, that's it. RandomWriterGuy 05:06, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
Nah, not really. I propose that Harrison be a comedian. That means he'll be in the film industry, but not in what he starred in OTL. I was wondering if some Alternate Destines can be the same as those from Napoleon's World (we're not trying to plagarise his work!). RandomWriterGuy 05:35, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
Well, if KingSweden is here we might get some help on the Alternate Destines. For know, why can't you write your idea in the Alternate Destines page? RandomWriterGuy 05:46, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
The map will be something to think about. Yes I will need it, but the borders I will have to figure that out, RandomWriterGuy 05:57, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
DeanSims 16:06, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
Anglo-American Peace Talks (Vive La Revolution)
The USA will be allowed to keep its independance, but the Britsh want land in return for this. DeanSims 15:12, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
Britain wants those said states plus OTL's states of Ohio, Michigan, Minnesota, Wisonsin, Indianna, and Illinois as well as New York, Massachusets, Rhode Island, Connecticut, and Pennsylvania. New Jeresy, Deleware, Maryland, and Washington DC as well as everything south of the Ohio River can stay American. DeanSims 15:26, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
Britain wants the OTL Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnestoa, the rest of America will stay American while America wil not expand past its current borders (this proposals borders), until 1845 unless Britain offers a military aliance to expand into OTL Mexico in the near future. TheUSA must stay out of European affairs, especialy it must not ally with France or any of Frances allies or puppet states. America will be fairly comensated for its territorial loss. DeanSims 15:39, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
And as a bonus, Britain will promise to annex no more land from the United States unless the USA is the agressor. And Britain will allow the USA to force Native Americans into Britsh lands as to hurry up American settelmnt of its lands. America will make a strong ally someday. Nova Scotia and New Brunswick are to be cede to the USA to try and reestablish relations. DeanSims 15:47, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
sweet, i will draw up the treaty and have you sing it on the game page. DeanSims 15:51, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
here is the treaty:
The Treaty of London
1. The USA will cede OTL Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, and Minnesota to the United Kingdom. The USA will be compensated.
2. The United Kingdom will cede Nova Scotia and New Brunswick to the United States.
3. The United States must not expand past this treaty’s borders until 1845 unless it is in a military/expansion venture with Britain.
4. The United States must NOT ally with France, Russia, or any of those two nations’ satellite states.
5. The United States will not interfere in European affairs unless on a join Anglo-American mission in Europe or with the United Kingdom’s allies.
6. The United Kingdom will allow Native Americans in the USA’s territory to be moved into British land as to increase American settlement in America’s lands and possessions.
7. All expansion before 1845 must be approved by the United Kingdom.
8. The United Kingdom will not expand into any American territory unless sold honestly and legaly by the USA to the United Kingdom UNLESS the United States declares war on the United Kingdom, in which the United Kingdom will be forced to act.
DeanSims 16:06, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
ok, and can we somehow start something to make Anglo-American relations jumpstart, such as the UK slwoly giving back the conquered lands over time to heal relations? DeanSims 16:13, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
got it. Would an Anglo-American alliacne agaisnt France work if the USA is promised all of the Louisinia Territroy south of 37 degrees north latitude( oklhomas northern border). DeanSims 16:17, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
France will most likely try and get the USA to break the treaty and fight agaisnt the UK, then Britain counteroffers what I said before plus OTL Ohio. OTL Micigan will stay Britsh though, as it is my home state in real life.
Austro-German Aliance Talks
Austria wants parts of Poland and so does Gemrnay. If Germany prmoises to help against CNAT, and we split Poland from its illgotten conquests, we both benefit as does the Axis. DeanSims 16:26, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
OK, the UK wants to expand into North America, and if the war is succesful, New Spain would be granted independance as OTL's modern day Mexico with Central America. Land isn South America is also welcome. DeanSims 15:48, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
we will sell you 5. 15 smaller British war ships will also be given to theUSAin return for its help. We should agree on the borders first though. DeanSims 15:55, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
I am making a map now. DeanSims 15:58, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
here you go, its only a rough one, but hear it is. i will also give you Jamaica and the Bahamas. DeanSims 16:09, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
feel free to message thme, and this can jumpstart Anglo-American relations. DeanSims 16:20, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
the war has begun. Please declare war on Spain DeanSims 17:45, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
Hot cold war
Mexico and USA
I'm glad to see your looking after the USA, but I note you also controle Mexico, which has not posed for a while and could help in the rebiulding of the USA.18.104.22.168 02:36, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
Vive La Revolution
Sorry. I thought it was one of those countries that quit the game. Everytime I zoom into the map, I can't tell the difference between the light colors. So I'll jsut fix the map. At least now I know where the colony is. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:14, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
I'm (seriously) considering switching Mitt Romney with Steve Martin for the President from 1997-2005. Your thoughts?
KingSweden 03:36, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
I liked it! That's why I made the M60 Pershing article to complement it.
KingSweden 03:45, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
Maybe. Aren't aircraft carrier names usually reserved for people who were in the Navy (or people like George Washington and Abraham Lincoln, who obviously have tremendous significance)
KingSweden 00:05, March 16, 2012 (UTC)
That sounds more applicable. I'd name it the USS Stephen Martin or even the USS Stephen G. Martin, just to make it more official-sounding.
KingSweden 06:09, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
Americans and Brits seize the territory. Brits to remove a potential threat - Americans a bit that way too - and the Americans because of their expansion in general. Far more so the USA, mind, doing it.
War in Europe, without the US money, and the expenses of keeping the territory, goes sour on the French faster.
Probably negates the war of 1812.
Mexico, bet on them getting even more screwed over than otl - US settlers more warlike atl.
Slower expansion of the USA, means that Brits get Oregon territory up to the Columbia there, as they wanted.
Lordganon 21:36, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
Can you take over my countries while Im gone this week please?
can you please? DeanSims 17:16, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
ok, thanks for doing this, scarwdad scribbledash is doing some of my toher countries, because i have quite a few, so here are yours:
- Vive La Revolution: Britain: Dont give any colony indepedance, and say that Inidia, South Africa, North American colonies, adn the Hawaiin colonies are beign expanded. Stand by the Pact of Iron and declare war only when another Pact of Iron member asks for your help, dont give up any land at all. expand the army and navy
- Subterranian Europe: Sweden: Just keep peacefully expanding into unclaimed Russia and establsih colonies in North America. Dont post on a already do0ne tunr, I get banned from the game temporarily if you do.
- axis vs allies reoladed: nordic union; just keep surpressing rebels if they pop up such as Norway and continue integration of Finalnd and Norway into the Union. Try and stay at peace as best you can.
- thanks man,
- DeanSims 17:35, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
Ideas for an Y2K timeline
Well, for starters, don't do anything that that new "Y2K Cascade" timeline has in it.
Avoid listening to any of the hysteria from otl - really, none of it had much basis in fact. Most things that were said at the time were beliefs, or opinions, without any info. Whole thing was extremely overblown.
Past that.... well, honestly, at most it would knock technology back a couple years. Maybe collapse a few nations, but even that's rather doubtful.
Lordganon 01:10, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
Photoshop is apart of the Adobe suite :>) I am well trained in Correl Painter, Illustrator, and Photoshop. Thank you for the compliment, very kind of you :>) Do you have a photoshop question?CassAnaya 00:32, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
You've got some really great work going too.CassAnaya 13:06, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
Just wondering, have you gotten the 1893:doomsday achievement? do you know how to get that?CassAnaya 13:15, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
Enclaver, unless it is SUPER important, this type of picture wouldn't be worth photoshopping. It looks like any capital generic capital building, which leads to the first rule of photoshopping: 1. Be as lazy as possible! :>)
this is actually a really good rule to follow for ALT history. For a picture like that, I would just find a similar find a similar capital building with the American flag in front of it (like a state capital) and call it by a new name.
Please, don't get me wrong, when i am available and if i can, i will definitely Photoshop for you, but only when it strikes the viewer as a significant and obvious change from what OTL is familiar with. I will Photoshop for you, but give me a piece of work that my creativity would ache to do! Take a look at the architecture for some examples of my Photoshop work that fit those rules. CassAnaya 00:51, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
Im going to be gone until Monday so could you post for me in map games.
Hot Cold War-You are Korea. Offer joint space project with China as we have a space station. Keep the game plausable. You are a Mod.
Axis and Allies Reloaded-You are ROCJ. Work on airports and transportation. Try to work on getting a man on the moon.(I know your Germany and all but we are working on it too. We can do a joint program if you want.). Give no land away and keep it all. No Expanstion.
Viva La Revocution-You are Canada. Remind the mapmaker to make Canada independent on the map as we have it. Work on Military and try to join Pact of Iron.
Triple Entrene Map Game-You are America. Work on Panama Canala and grow milirary and Atlantic Fleet. Do not give away land.
If you can't do this, tell someone else too.
SwollowBTW, heres that capital photo. Now give me something a little more challenging next time :P CassAnaya 01:10, March 24, 2012 (UTC) Hey, I noticed you asked Cass to do that for you, but I noticed it was still in Spanish so I changed it to Capitol instead of Capitolio. :D Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:24, March 24, 2012 (UTC)
I will annex Germany. BTW, can I ask why you are leaving? TacoCopper 16:48, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
Come on man, don't leave. I know things are a bit boring right now, but you're about to go into space! Don't leave now! Monster Pumpkin 16:52, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh tasty man. I will try and work on a List of Presidents for California in the next few days, that will give us a better scope on approaching more detailed info on Obama. CassAnaya 03:49, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
I forgot to expressly say thank you. I love ANY contributions!
CassAnaya 03:50, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
Well, for starters, the area would have gotten hit by fallout from Vegas and other strikes in the area pretty hard. Past that, they may have water, but as has been noted before, crops are not going to grow in the region without mass irrigation - and that ceases to work post-DD.
But, besides all of that, the area is part of Utah today, and has been for quite a while.
Lordganon 21:55, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
No those are both challenging :>). I may steal the harrison ford inauguation for mine too. I will go ahead and bang them out. If you need something more specific with the logo (more imperial? some relgious/cultural bend? more 80's looking, whatever helps reflect a little bit of your world.) CassAnaya 23:27, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
Sure. You can have Macau, though Brazil will have Portugal and its other possessions (actually, a union between Portugal and Brazil to be honest). When's war coming btw? RandomWriterGuy 23:35, March 26, 2012 (UTC) Sure. RandomWriterGuy 22:40, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
Here is the pictures. I did heavy photoshopping on the inauguration and the FBN logo. The pic of harrison ford infront of the seal is from the movie, Air Force One, with a bit of color correction. That one is just a suggestion. They are too good to ignore. I think I will definitely use Ford in my ALT too :>)
BTW, you owe me 2 or 3 proposal pages as a payment :>) CassAnaya 02:26, March 27, 2012 (UTC)
awesome, thank you dude. I will eat it up. CassAnaya 04:40, March 27, 2012 (UTC)
You’ve got a really interesting timeline here. The idea of very large unions of nations is incredibly interesting. What I don’t see yet is a sufficient explination for it. Just a few references to trifalgar.
Think about HOW these large unions could exist, how independence movements were minimal and federalists in all nations were desperate for massive consolidations of territory and cultures.
You need to write and ALT that has something FUNDIMENTALLY different about human nature.
THAT is your hook, that is what will lure readers to the ALT.
Put that map on the front page. Expand the front page more. Create Questions on the front page. They will just be facts about the world, but they should open a mystery to the reader as to HOW that happened.
Why is it named Pauvre monde?
I don’t know if that is what you were looking for?
If you want me too look at anything more specific. Ill be happy to. CassAnaya 02:16, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
Oh, ok. So how do you think Franz lives would go? I think World War I may start over something small, like a shipwreck or car crash. Maybe killing Louis Ferdinand at nine or ten? Or having a drunk crash into the King George and blame the Germans for it? Over a Balkan crisis? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:22, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
DeanSims 16:41, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
I already did.
Are we letting DeanSims pla the new game? We shouldn't let him be a mod and definitely not let him be Great Britain. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 17:33, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
DeanSims and me have been constantly arguing about our situation. I am afraid this may be turned into Vendetta, so can yuo think of a compromise? RandomWriterGuy 18:14, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
I decided a compromise: Dean is allowed to play tough we will be barred from ebing a mod or a map maker and he will unban me from other games. O.K.? RandomWriterGuy 18:21, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
I was wondering, can you make me a map for 1810? For this map, it should look like OTL but the difference is this: the WHOLE Spanish Empire is part of France. So make sure of that! (Oh and when you're done, just put it in my talk page!) Thank you! RandomWriterGuy 23:07, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
Well, I would ask you to help make future maps as the TL progresses. Only this one though. RandomWriterGuy 01:21, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
Just checking, is the map going okay? RandomWriterGuy 04:54, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
oh shit, yeah sorry dude, I got involved with a wedding the past few days. and yes lots of parallels between USA and FSC. So the fallout thing, as in like the video game? just a movie version? is there a specific person or action in the poster that you wanted? CassAnaya 01:36, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
just to let you know, it is a big undertaking. It's a really challenging and SUPER interesting idea. It is a very heavy photoshop piece so it may take a while. I LOVE the challenge of it. so eventually. And i will incoroporate all of you suggestions, they sound great! :>) CassAnaya 01:43, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
It should be same as OTL (only for this year), with Galicia under Austrian rule the only change. RandomWriterGuy 04:58, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
Good map. Sadly, I just realized something: Portugal loses its colonial empire (except Angola and Mocambique) to France as well as the Portuguese regions of Algarve and Norte. Portugal is split into two states: Alentejo and a rump Portugal.
Sorry for the mistake. RandomWriterGuy 05:26, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
Very good map. I love it. RandomWriterGuy 22:32, April 3, 2012 (UTC)I may have just realized you may have made mistakes. First of all, neither Britain or France have any real claims to Africa (except the British-controlled Dutch areas). Second of all, where's India? And btw, France has no foothold in India and British control over it is much larger. The map to the right may provide you with some details on what I am taling about RandomWriterGuy 22:40, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
How's the map going? RandomWriterGuy 14:35, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
You're back again. How's the map going? RandomWriterGuy 04:26, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
Sorry to tell you this, but I made recent changes in my TL. The change is that all Ducth territories (except South Africa) was turned to the French. Can you edit the map? RandomWriterGuy 16:37, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
I meant France for Dutch territories. Not Britain (except South Africa). Also, those French and British West Africa colonies did not exist yet. As I mentioned before, France HAS NO foothold in India. Also, can you try to put in the Asian countries too? RandomWriterGuy 05:24, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
I just want to check how the map is going. Also, can we switch nations in Triple Entente vs. Central Powers Map Game (I play as France, you be as Argentina)? RandomWriterGuy 18:23, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
Hello? I just want to make sure if you have an answer for the question above. Good luck! RandomWriterGuy 22:47, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
The map? RandomWriterGuy 23:16, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
There are some things I would like to dicuss with you about Pauvre Monde.
A: Why does New York have FIVE electoral votes? They can't have a population so low that there are only three representatives in the House.
B: Why does the Philippines have EIGHTY-TWO electoral votes? They can't have a population so high that they have EIGHTY representatives in the House.
C: Greenland has NINE electoral votes? Greenland doesn't even have a million people there. You can't even do that in your timeline because Greenland is still up there where it's cold.
D: What are those other states? I regonize the land in Russia, but all those little islands?
E: And Quebec has 75? What is happening?
Oh, and for future reference, ELECTORAL VOTES MUST ALWAYS BE OVER THREE OR THREE EXACTLY! Because the Electoral Votes is the sum of the number of representatives and senaotrs for one state. Now I know you're not good with politics, so that's why I'm here. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:59, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
Sure. Are you referring to Pauvre Monde or a different one?
KingSweden 15:49, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
They are not proposals anymore. Do you know how I eleminiate the catagory from a page? I haven't figured out how to. CassAnaya 07:54, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
Enc, would you be at all interested in a Constable position? Lordganon 21:55, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
Done. You can accept the nomination here.
Lordganon 22:27, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
Here's what I did for the poster. I also put up a few others from other artists that might be suitable for you. I like the third one, it has a very soviet feel about it. CassAnaya 04:38, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
Cuban Missile Crisis Escalation
Very possible. It would have taken almost anything going wrong for either side to start it. Lordganon 01:35, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
Thank you! It's an exciting milestone. I haven't been on the wiki as much as I have in the past since I've been working on other writing projects and school so I'm making up or lost time. Pauvre Monde seems pretty good. It strikes a good balance between the directions FTBW and Napoleon's World head in, so it's good to see a third Napoleonic timeline with some twists and turns to it. I like it.
KingSweden 05:20, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
thanks DeanSims 16:41, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
im making sort of universal map games administration for this wiki, theres a lot of clutter in this wiki about map games and it needs to stop. DeanSims 19:08, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks again, for joining Medieval Plague. The game has started, and you may now take an action.
No. RandomWriterGuy 05:26, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
Congratulations, you are now a Constable in the TSPTF. This allows you to showcase the TSPTF membership badge on your user page. Furthermore it gives you the rollback power on this wiki. In the History page of an article you will notice a new option called "rollback". This is an anti-vandalism tool. It allows you to quickly undo edits in case someone has made more than one edit to a page. By clicking rollback it will immediately revert the article to a time before the offending editor edited the page. This is your most important duty. By agreeing to be a constable, you are promising to do your best to patrol for vandals and trolls.
When you get the chance, please go to the TSPTF page, and sign up for some responsibilities. In reality, none of us have the time to devote to all of the duties that are expected of an administrator of the wiki. You are expected, however, to sign up for at least three responsibilities listed in that section. These are duties that you are agreeing to carry out to the best of your ability every time you are on this wiki. I'm hoping that by doing this the members of the TSPTF can efficiently share the work load of the wiki and gives us time for the real reason we are here. Since you are only a constable and do not have the power to delete or block, do not feel obligated to sign up for any duties you do not have the powers to do. Please inform and respect those in a position to do so if you see a problem that involves a needs for either of those things.
Again, congratulations on being elected to the TSPTF and good luck.
Lordganon 09:05, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
Enc, you need to exercise a little discretion with that feature - not all edits like that are vandalism. I fixed the one there, but remember in the future, eh? ;) Lordganon 14:12, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
Let me quote: "Austria lowers its investment by 0.1 and raising the monthly ducats by 0.1. They agree to Austria's alliance offer."
Hi, could you edit the RIMPAC map to show the RoH please. I am afraid I have not a clue as to how to do this.
David Rain 15:46, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
Triple Entente Incident
Look, please forgive me. I was so busy being a mod in two map games I forgot I was not one in the Triple Entente Map Game. Look, forgive me for my stupidity. I will refrain myself from doing this and try not to be SO DUMB!
P.S. At the bottom of the page, I made a confession there. RandomWriterGuy 22:40, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
hey Enclave, would a trade deal with the UOSR nad Japan work for you? DeanSims 15:43, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
and when I get a reason, I wil join the Allies. DeanSims 17:39, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
We invaded Britain with your help!
Cinco De Mayo
Want to help out with my Cinco De Mayo timeline?
KingSweden 01:15, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
Axis vs Allies: Reloaded (Map Game)
Fractured Europe (Map Game)
I just created a map game call Fractured Europe and was wondering if you would be interested in playing and/or being a mod CommanderOfTheFourthReich 18:36, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
He's a film actor in the vein of Denzel Washington (though somebody elevated him to Morgan Freeman status)
KingSweden 19:34, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
The River of ?
Hi Enclavehunter! I noticed that you timeline seem to have 2 different names: The River of Defeat and River of Death. Is maybe a error? What is correct name? Regards! --Katholico 01:18, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
Hello. I have a new Map Game,the "Grand French Empire Campaign" and I wanted to know if you'd like to join, and be a mod. Thank you. Blocky858 17:08, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
California will buy your portion of Mexico for 450 tons of gold bullion and 23 tons of silver bullion. The Yucatan can stay a French protectorate. PLEASE REPLY DeanSims 19:00, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
I'm 100% settled on Brian Williams as the moderate Nationalist candidate, but I'm trying to pick a Democrat. Either centrist Jim Carrey (who would have not hold elected office since 2003 if elected and inaugurated in January 2013), centrist/conservative Stephen Colbert (who is the House Minority Whip from North Carolina) or liberal New York Senator John F. Kennedy, Jr. Maybe there could be another liberal, though I suspect with Springsteen's unpopularity the more moderate wing of the party is in a position of power with an independent electorate in mind. Who do you think I should use?
Keep in mind that in this TL I imagined things sort of flipped from OTL; the left-wing of US politics (Democrats) are a bit more restless, radical and uncompromising, and the hard-right has never enjoyed the power or popular appeal it does in OTL (since France isn't communist but instead more fascist, it would be the American left that emerges as stoically "anti-French," sort of like the right was "anti-Communist" in the OTL Cold War)
KingSweden 05:28, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
Its refreshing to see a Napoleonic POD that begins prior to the Empire being formed. I can't say I know much about the Napoleonic Era (believe it or not, I "cheated" on my POD a bit by leaving it intentionally vague). Well, Thomas Jefferson was an anti-Federalist in he believed in the power of the states and that the United States was best served by being a country of farmers. His views are very roughly chalked up to what a lot of modern Tea Party activists would believe, though he was more of a classical liberal than a conservative populist. However, Jefferson did not actually diminish the federal government like he planned after his "Glorious Revolution" in 1800, and in fact expanded its power thanks to the Louisiana Purchase and after the Supreme Court ruled in Marbury v. Madison. Jefferson was pretty pro-French.
I expected to get a lot of support for Colbert for Prez on the Internet haha. I'm thinking I'm down to him or Carrey as the Democratic nominee at the very least. The Demmies have had the Presidency for eight years though, and Springsteen is unpopular... I'm leaning towards Williams ekeing out a narrow one.
KingSweden 06:19, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
Re.: Federalist Victory in 1804 election
Well, I can't say for certain (as I never heard of the guy until you mentioned him to me lol). However, a quick Wikipedia search confirmed my suspicions with being a "federalist": a stronger central government opposed to the states, no restraint to a standing army and abolishing the slave trade. Most of these I got from his views as a representative of the Constitutional Convention, but I'm sure he may still hold most of these views by the early 1800's.
However, as a South Carolina resident, his Federalist views would be unpopular in the South, and that is perhaps the main reason why he lost. Due to the power of the South in the Early US, Federalist candidates had a hard time of getting elected, leading to men like Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, both "states righter's" being elected.
If Pinckney is elected, I say he will do his best to make the US a strong, federalist government early. I have no idea about Manifest Destiny, or how he would handle the various Crisis' of the Napoleonic Wars splashing up on American shores. I would say what the Federalist Party stood for in the early 1800's could be a good indication of how he would act. Lieut. Tbguy1992: Profile; Talk 22:03, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
Hello. In "Vive La Revolution Reloaded!", did France declare support for Aztlan? Or were they against it? Blocky858 16:55, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
People in NAV Response
I've been thinking about that, and yes, I am planning on having an Alternate Destinies page. I've already got about three Australian examples, and if you have any ideas, please, go ahead and write them! Callumthered 06:40, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
Still want to help flesh out the main article? I added all the headings and sub-headings, most of which explain themselves. You're pretty good with the military articles and you've expressed interest so I figured I'd ask.
KingSweden 23:31, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
Excellent. There's a good deal of information in the Brazilian War Category and many of the headers explain themselves in regards to the general direction of things.
KingSweden 23:37, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
What kind of "megaproject" are we talking about?
KingSweden 03:43, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
A railgun or "Finger of God" (space-based projectiles that drop to earth) would be my vote. Unmanned drones we already have to an extent in OTL, and a Helicarrier, while awesome, is probably not realistic until the 2020s, even in this TL :)
KingSweden 04:27, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
I think it could be good for an experimental weapon for Naval purposes first, and then later it could transition to land-based usage.
KingSweden 04:51, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
Is there a particular reason for nominating my post for deletion. I understand it is in the future. As far quality it is my first wiki and I am by no means done with it.Andr3w777 01:23, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
I understand know, right after I messaged you I check the rules and found that id it is based in the future without an AH timeline it can be deleted. I apologize for the confusion.
Also, I am curious if there is a map game that you would recommend to a new comer like me??Andr3w777 01:38, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
I've signed on as Canada and posted. Just to clarify what the rules say. We are only allowed to post once per day? Or did I read it wrong?Andr3w777 02:00, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
Hey is it possible that you can make a new map for Fractured America. Also did you try to contradict my Japan post? I double checked OTL and everything I did was possible since the Meiji Reformation ended isolationist foreign policy in Japan. If it wasn't you and you know who it was please pass on this information. Thank You, RegardsAndr3w777 14:40, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
Can you make some flags for me? I would like to see the flags with the following:
- They should have the French flag at the top left corner.
- The background should be blue.
- They should have the coat of arms depending on the place I am referencing
- The places are: Mexico, Brazil, Peru, Colombia, Tanzania, Egypt, Algeria, Libya, East Indies (Indonesian archipelago and the Philippines), Djibouti, Carribean Islands, French Indian Ocean Islands, and the French South Atlantic
If you have questions, contact me. RandomWriterGuy 03:22, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
There is one flag for Algeria in this wiki: though that;s not what I want.
Here's the coat of arms I want you to use:So, what's your opinion? RandomWriterGuy 04:14, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
O.K. Thanks. RandomWriterGuy 04:23, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
Sorry. The Tricolor is not in the right order (for France) Also, I added a new request for the flags. RandomWriterGuy 04:15, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
Good job. RandomWriterGuy 05:27, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
Hey Enclave, i was wondering if you could come back to resume your role as Japan in the game. I noticed there is only about 5-6 nations playing and want to bring everyone back. Thanks!---AP
My Depressing Times Map Game has begun!
It has started!
States of America 5
Hey, I was wondering if you would help the Pacific Republic if we went to war with Canada. CrimsonAssassin 01:51, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
Hey, our meeting in Vive La Revolution has begun on the talk pageAP
What I do is take an existing one and edit it to suit my needs, then save it as a new one. Lordganon 06:44, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
Same as with articles. Lordganon 07:09, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, something seems off with it.
Off hand, you need a box attached to it to make it work. Plus, you've written it like it appears on the page - which isn't how a template is actually written. Have a look at some of the nation and war templates and you'll see what I mean.
Lordganon 08:29, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
Sure you can adopt Viva Bonaparte.
Sorry for not responding, I'm kind of inactive.
In French Egypt, why is Russia against France? He didn't turn on them. Also, what shifting point led to the Frenchies winning the war?
Hey i noticed that you haven't posted in a while on Vive La Revolution Reloaded, can you please return the last thing i want is for the game to die.AP
MAH TRIBAL GAMEZ HAVE BEGUN Sasafred12 21:47, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
- French Diplomacy: France will assist in the invasion in return for Quebec, which is historicaly French.
- I WILL NOT BE SILENCED!!! DeanSims (User talk:DeanSims) 19:34, June 27, 2012 (UTC)
Hey enclave, i was wondering if in Greater Europe America could become a real Democracy again and sign an alliance with France. Your rebbellions would end and that way France and America can keep a balance of power between our two nations and the Axis. -Dean DeanSims (User talk:DeanSims) 17:39, July 1, 2012 (UTC)
Sweet. Cany ou do it this turn or the next available one. France will autoaccept, so you can say I accept. You can keep all your alnds and puppets and I will dothe same. I most likely will allow Britain to be reformed or its equivelant as the Celtic Union or something. We need to form thsi allaince soon, and it will kep us both free to doa s we want. -Dean DeanSims (User talk:DeanSims) 17:43, July 1, 2012 (UTC)
hey Enclave, i need you to continue your role as France in VLR. Or can i offer it to someone else?AP 04:49, July 2, 2012 (UTC)
Aztlan begs for your help as the Americans are going to invade Aztlan in order to take over the country and destroy Aztlan into nothing more than dozens of colonies. We beg for your help.
Re. What would Napoleon Do?
Well, I don't think he would do much. Egypt, despite its importance in communication between Europe and Asia, is a long distance from France. Most likely, Napoleon would consolidate his hold (shuffle some prince's and lords around, make those that support him more powerful, etc. etc.) He was fairly tolerant of other religions, or as much as you could be in the early 19th century, and did speak favorable of Islam, so their wouldn't be any oppression of religion. Since this was still the era of the First Republic, liberté, égalité, fraternité will still hold powerful sway, even though in a few years it would be reduced, but not eliminated, under Napoleon's Empire.
I think the more important question would be: what next? The flag ship of the French Fleet that carried Napoleon to Egypt was named Orient, which gives a pretty good idea of where Napoleon would want to move against next. Attacking and conquering India would be a greater victory than anything before: it took from 1757 until then for the British East Company to only gain a minor foothold in the region territoriality, although the Martha Empire was little more than a vassal state by that time. Napoleon, in his heyday (and barring any death by disease), would be able to easily conquer and subject what would be the diamond the British Empire in the future. I easily can see that happening, most likely finishing up by 1803 or 1804 at the latest. This will most likely mean the French Republic would last longer, and may even survive, since Napoleon is half a world away, and instead of becoming Emperor of France, perhaps Governor-General (or Emperor) of India. Lieut. Tbguy1992: Profile; Talk 03:42, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
Just wondering, what s with the TL name change?
--RandomWriterGuy 06:02, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
Tbh, I don't think USA is the most suitable name for your nation Enclave!! :/ Imperium Guy 23:40, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
Hi there, I'm BZ, I usually write in es.althistory.wikia.com (you know, the spanish version of this wiki) and I was wondering if I could translate the althistory Our Revolution to spanish, I will obviously give YNot1989 the credit as first author and to you as actual owner/writer, only if thats okay to you. Waiting your answer :P. Bauglir Zero (talk) 03:36, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
Re:US States Map
Hey, I'll be pretty much off the wiki for two weeks, so here's what I want to do- Albemarle becomes a semi-autonomus part of peidmont, and has a say in it's actions. This way, I can still play when I get back, and you double your nation automatically. Sound good? CourageousLife (talk) 02:25, July 15, 2012 (UTC)
Spread of Communism revised Oil scheme
hey listen my idea is for our 2 nations to take control of the market, if you join me in lower oil prices we can dominate the market and that will benifit you greatly as it will facilitate your position in the middle east and possibly allow you to expand your influence in the region, it will benifit me in allowing me to industrialize and establish a mixed economy that isnt dependent only on the exportation of natural resources i will be able to establish myself as an industrialized nation. what do you say we, wanna bring in stronger economies for both our nations and lift up our world standing. Nkbeeching
Seven Years War
Venezuela and Cuba
Hi Enclavehunter, hoe are you! I hope fine :) I noticed that you wrote in this article of Nationalist China about a civil war in Cuba during 1972, where the communist party was supported by some countries, between them, Venezuela. I really doubt this, because by this date in OTL Venezuela was not a Cuba's ally, and less a ally of the island's communist government. :/ Regards! --Katholico (talk) 21:53, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
If you want REALLY dark irony (which I often find is the best kind), make Kony a Christian minister in the vein of Archbishop Tutu or somebody who is influential in securing aid for struggling, starving children in Africa and building schools and ministries in the region.
Triple Entente vs Central Powers
Welcome to PMII
Hi Enclave, I have noticed that you have picked a tribal group in PMII. Tribal groups are hard to play and are very limited in actions they can perform until contact by a civilized nation is made. If you with the reconsider feel free to change your pick! Scandinator (talk) 05:44, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
Well since you are also landlocked, until another more advanced nation borders you, (would take till at about the 1600s) you can't communicate with other nations for anything. You won't have allies or technology. The best tech-level you can reach is that of the Meso-American civilization. When Europeans or Asians land to colonize in North America you will receive a series of epidemics that will wipe out 50% of your population and area. And also your expansion and population are severly limited until contact. After contact you can develop as a normal nation but will suffer industrialisation penalties and have almost no chance of being a nuclear or space power. Scandinator (talk) 11:29, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
Possible survivor city states in North America
Northern Missouri is part of the Hannibal government.
Outside of the Navajo Nation, and the Prescott city-state, Arizona is pretty devoid of any life. Both have articles.
The northwestern parts of New Mexico are part of the Navajo as well. And in the southeast, the area is part of Texas.
Past that, there's only one area of survivors inside of that state. Silver City, New Mexico, in the southwestern areas of the former state. Have a look at the New Mexico article for more on it.
Sorry to but in but There are also quite a few pages that no one is really caretaking, you could always adopt one f those rather than go through the lengthy adoption process. Arstar talk 16:01, August 8, 2012 (UTC)
Is it A or is it AN
Did you see my article about when to use A and when to use AN?
Briefly, AN is normally used before words starting with vowels - A, E, I, O, U.
AN apple, AN orange, et cetera.
The rest of the time A is used - as in A man, A plan, et cetera.
There are a few exceptions - AN hour, AN honor, et cetera and A unicorn.
Hey Enclave. On VLR we have a problem. It's 1859 and the Suez Canal should be under construction. However the Ottomans still control it. I know that we as European powers should not trust an Islamic nation with holding the key to our trade like that. I know you're allied to them but this is crucial. Also did you notice the territorial encroachment on your African colonies? The OE expanded just enough to stop your colony on the eastern horn of Africa from expanding. I fear for our trade. Join me in a war with the Ottomans and we'll split their African terrain between ourselves.AP (talk) 07:27, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
You murderous backstabbing two timing traitor! Lol. It's not as bad as AP puts it. At this point in time, it the French wanted anything from the Ottomans, they could have gotten it. If the French wanted something form the Ottomans, they could have gotten it. Anyways, everyone crossed the Sinai Peninsula by foot at this point in time, so no one should be all jumpy to go after some canal no one had the bare notion of. I was thinking of building a railway instead, like PM's Panama Railway instead of Canal, so yeah. And "you're in" to betray a three hundred year old alliance? Really? Without a massive change of government, I don't see that happening. And I asked to buy your Somaliland colony. And AP is the one who really locked you in. I left some land in the east for you to go around me, but AP colonized that area. See? He's the one encroaching on your territory. If you want land, ask. If you want naval bases, ask. Violence is not the answer. And AP view to "an Islamic nation" must be very, very twisted if he thinks I will not let any nation cross my lands. And why don't expand some of your other colonies before Britain dominates the continent.
Peace out,Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:44, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
Lobositz Lamentable Loss
Hi, new neighbor! I miss Brian's imput into the history of the region in the 1983DD universe. I still hold on tenaciously as an editor and administrator, though I am not very busy these days. Remember, Blue Ridge cannot advance without its neighbor to the south, Piedmont. BTW, do you live in the area or are just interested in NC? SouthWriter (talk) 01:59, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
Nazi Escape in NC
I have been thinking, and instead of all Nazis coming to trial and being captured, maybe some manage to escape to, yes, none other than Switzerland. Here, they seek refuge until they organize themselves and overthrow throw the country's government and establish a neo-Nazi country. They would then begin to expulse French and Italian speaking citizens by first telling the populace that they are to be boycotted as they are not "German/Swiss" and then force them to leave the country.
Eventually, they would attract attention, especially Germany's who would lead a coalition to topple their Nazi Reigime and the country would become divided like OTL Germany. However, the difference here would be they would be divided on what area speaks what language and in the German areas a refurendum would be held in the 80s on whether to re-establish Switzerland or to join Germany. What do you think (I would prefer the populace choose to join Germany, lol)? :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:14, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
Basically, I want a country that can be naturally be allied with Israel. These two will both say that the "mainstream muslims" have opressed them and they now fight back. Thats for supporting my ideas! :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:22, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
A Darker Place
just want some advise on weither the timeline seems biased to you. i really want to make a successful Tl so i could all the help i can get. Nkbeeching
German Foreign Minister: Hello Minister. I am here to discuss secret division of the Baltics and Poland.
As you can see, the countries have given given colour. I have Orange for the fatherland and Red for the motherland. The light orange would be my areas of control/influence. Bear in mind I am giving you most of the Baltics, apart from Lithuania, which is culturally linked to Poland.
After we play hard ball with the west. We will demand areas which have been ours (the Saarland, Sundenland and Danzig while the Baltics for you). I predict around 1938 would be a good time to start the war. :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 23:03, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
Your not going to be able to form a nation over 100% of the Zulu area right away. There will be tribes and areas that attempt to undermine you. Also the area coloured in the map is the full extent of the tribal lands. Your nation will appear within the tribal lands with a border on the next map. Please feel free to message me at any time with the proposed boundaries of your nation (no more than 60% of the tribal area) in 1455 and I promise that by 1460 the whole tribal area and a little more will be yours. Scandinator (talk) 07:21, September 6, 2012 (UTC)
And yet, the problem with the last game was people rigging the RNG so that they would win. Also, the PMII chance system was based off our chance system partially. PitaKang- (But here's my number|So call me maybe) 23:57, September 10, 2012 (UTC)
I mean, I have to agree it doesn't feel that good having an algorithm almost the same as PM, but the truth is, it's the best, and it makes sense too. So until someone comes up with a better one, we'll have to stick to this one. PitaKang- (But here's my number|So call me maybe) 00:08, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
Axis Vs Allies Revolutions Asia
Interested in starting a competition of Jocking for power and influence in Asia in the future after 1944-45 as both of of try to gain supremacy through proxy wars and supporting different revolututionaries groups in the restless european colonies, something of a mini cold war between Japan and the Soviet Union. Lets face it the Soviet-Japanese non aggression pact isnt going to hold forever your communist im a right-wing aithoritarian capitalist nation. it will also make sure that neither our nations get boring and it will allow for other nations to participate as well. China, South and South East Asia would be the areas for proxy wars and countless interventions to happen. Nkbeeching
Well, remember first off that the map on the article is wrong - the eastern border is 2-3 counties east of what that map actually says it is.
Other than that, yes, it is very plausible for them to start expanding.
Please Join the Axis Powers
The Axis Powers would love to have you join our Allaince as a full bodied member. If accepted after the wars end numerous territorial concessions will be given to you. Please consider this and join soon, we
THE AXIS WANTS YOU!
Re: Cinco De Mayo
Sure! What were you thinking?
I would love that, but there is one big problem: If you did that, Germany would be in a perfect place to invade you, and you're not really good friends with the Allies (I wish you chose us over them in the first place), and you would be in a terrible place for survival.
Italy offers to join the Allies and launch an invasion of southern Germany in return for national.amnesty and to help occupy Turkey, Spain, or Germany. (DeanSims: Talk)
Re:Map for Nelson's Death
Hello, Kyle. Why yes, I am always up for a map-making challenge. Though, there's little information on the timeline after the 19th century. Do you mind briefing me on how the continents are expected to look, either in a certain date or in modern day? Thanks. ChrisL123 (talk) 03:18, October 7, 2012 (UTC)
hey, would you like to play my new map game http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Arabian_Failure_(Map_Game) Sine dei gloriem (talk) 22:30, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
Re: Custer-class aircraft carrier
I've been doing some thinking about it, and I just don't know that calling the aircraft carries in Napoleon's World George Custer-class fits. Custer wasn't in the Navy. Tanks being named after him (especially a predecessor or successor to the M1 Perry) would be one thing, but the ships idk.
You know that could work. They would officially be Oliver Hazard Perry class but are referred to colloquially as Hazard-class to avoid confusion with the M1 Perry tank or the USS Matthew Perry (named after the commodore who visited Japan)?
Arabian Failure map game
can you join Entente vs. Triple Alliance (Map Game) Warman555
Obama in Nelson's Death
Someone with that name, with the same father, would not be out of the realm of possibility. But both parents would be rather unlikely, and he would be nothing like his otl version - along with being a Kenyan national. Lordganon (talk) 06:52, November 9, 2012 (UTC)
1892 Electoral College (Nelson's Death)
Sure I can help you. So let's see, I think this the right map, right? So you just want numbers on the states? The browns are territories, right?
Wow, this map is actually really implausible. You have way too many states, and too early. Most of these should be territories. Try merging the Central American and small Mexican states. And US Midwestern states. And the Canadian states. I should show you the map in A World of Difference. Anyways, here's your finished map. A bit confusing, but I think great minds like yours and mine can interpret it.
Joe Biden is a talk show host, and I havent decided on Paul Ryan.
Thank goodness your Zululand. ImperimGuy and I are looking for nations willing to fight against the Caliphate. I'm aware of your nation's movement toward Islam, but the Europeans, Ethiopians, Indians, and hopefully East Asians, are gearing up to destroy the Caliphate. It's too large and too powerful, and the call for its downfall is growing. I'm building the African coalition against it, which means its only me and you. However, we'll have the support of two other major regions (Europe and Hindustan), and maybe a third (East Asia) if things go our way. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 19:53, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
Hello! I am Dustin2557. I am Romania on Axis vs Allies. I would like for you to respond to my purposal I made on Axis Vs Allies if haven't seen it already. I hope for us to become close allies. Thank you!
Hey Enc, I need your help with a little something. Can you tell me where I can get the Bear Flag where the Bear is pointing up? I need the flag for my timeline. Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 05:35, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
Basically I wish to make a post-nuclear war world with the nuclear war occurring on 21/22 December 2012. Would you be interested in finding US & NATO naval bases that would be likely to have been hit by Russia if nuclear war occurred?Scandinator (talk) 00:02, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
Hmmmm... good proposal, and I probably will use certain elements of it. However I do need Israel as the main instigator to the nuclear war. and the original POD where Al Gore became president instead of Bush for one term and then Bush took over for the next two would offer a unique world. There would be no War in Iraq and Saddam would still be around, thus the war in Afghanistan is more intense and the Taliban is pushed into Pakistan where the take control of the government. Meanwhile in 2012 the Second Korean War erupts due to your reasons with tensions not resolved peacefully like OTL. USA finds itself on the opposite side to Russia and China. With the Arab Spring, numerous dicators are toppled and following the Israeli assassination of a Hamas leader the Arab-Israeli war erupts. Egypt, Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Iran deploy troops and air support against Israel while other Arab nations either openly support the war or send other help covertly. The massive numerical superiority of the Arabs, overwhelms the much better equipped Israeli army (which stopped receiving weapons from the US in 2004 due to leaking designs to China for cash). Israel in a last ditch attempt to preserve their nation and with hostiles approaching Dimona launches their nuclear arsenal at ~200 Arab cities across the Middle East and Africa. The Taliban-controlled Pakistan launches its missiles at India and Israel since several Israeli missiles are headed towards it. India then launches on Pakistan and China since NATO has been striving for closer relations since Pakistan's fall to the Taliban. Meanwhile, Russia conducts a limited nuclear attack of Israel in retaliation to the destruction of the Russian naval base at Tartus. China then launches on numerous targets across the USA and NATO who in turn launch on Russia, China and their allies. Russia then launches on NATO and USA and their allies. UK keeps a small bunch for Argentina while two Russian ICBM's hit targets in South America and Oceania. Over the next few hours, over 5000 strikes occur across the globe and in the weeks following, US and Russian silos continue to launch on smaller and smaller targets as they rush to activate their stockpiles. By the end of January the world is silent once more with silos in the USA and Russia running out of materials nessessary to activate the remaining nukes. Scandinator (talk) 00:21, December 7, 2012 (UTC)
As of May this year there were an estimated 5000 active nuclear warheads ready for launch and another 14,000 inactives. I doubt the START treaties would continue to be obeyed after the Second Korean War broke out... or even the most recent one signed... If anything they would be taking more out of inactivity to use... Scandinator (talk) 01:02, December 7, 2012 (UTC)
Axis v Allies revolutions
i have a feeling everyone is going to jump in in a second out of nowhere for a peice of the E.A.T.S.P. please lets keep this an indirect conflict since i honestly want to avoid nuclear war and the complete destruction of JApan, i created this event in china to hwelp the game flow. Nkbeeching
2012 College Football Pick'em
Its that time of year again
NCAA Division I National Championship (Citrus Bowl)
1 Cuba (13-0) vs. 2 Texas (13-0)
16 Kahokia (10-3) vs. 8 Texas A&M (11-1)
Manhattan Bowl 12 Iowa (10-2) vs. 13 Pittsburgh (10-2)
4 Washington (12-1) vs. 7 Ohio State (11-2)
13 San Diego (10-2) vs. 6 South Carolina (11-1)
18 Huron (9-3) vs. 3 Sequoyah (12-1)
14 Alabama (10-3) vs. 19 Virginia (9-4)
5 Pacifica (11-1) vs. 10 Massachusetts (10-2)
11 Notre Dame (10-3) vs. 15 Louisiana (10-2)
17 Fresno State (13-0) vs. 9 Peninsula (11-2)
Between what we know about the general collapse of central/southern Michigan in general (i.e. - raiders, the collapse of the state capital, and the death of the state government) and exploration by Superior, it can be safely said that there is no states or anything in that area. Survivors, in general, have been rather rare. The raiders and bandits were really bad for a while, and it shows. Lordganon (talk) 07:49, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
Map Game Wiki
hi, Enclave i would like to know if you would be willing to Come and Play in Map Game wiki any kind of Game you want, as i Want to Re activate the Map game wiki as an alternative way to the Althistory one, it would be also a good place to Make any sort of Map game project you might want Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:22, December 23, 2012 (UTC) http://mapgame.wikia.com/wiki/Map_Game_Wiki
Axis Vs Allies revaloutions
Fancy makeing a Soviet trade deal with the Central African Republic?22.214.171.124 00:22, December 25, 2012 (UTC)
Italy, Azeria, and Kurdistan would like to join NATO in World at War map game. We would like to join as soon as possible. (DeanSims: Talk) 04:30, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, I apreciate it and hopefully Italy, Azeria, and Kurdistan may join. The three nations have much to bring to the table and will send troops to aid in Denmark. (DeanSims: Talk) 07:29, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
Napoleonic Europe Revised
The games have begun!
hey enclave, i would like for you to be amod on After the Storm, hopefully you'll accept.
(DeanSims: Talk) 19:45, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
Las Vegas DD
Hey Enclave. Thanks for solving the thing on After the Storm. I didnt know if it was plausible or not, and honestly I think you should be the one who makes the decision on whether a post should be changed or removed, so from now on only you can remove posts and slash things out. Also, do you prefer Enclave or Kyle? (DeanSims: Talk) 04:50, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
Hmm. Might be a challenge, considering the lack of available maps, but sure, I could try. Are there any major border changes from OTL in the timeline that I should know about? ChrisL123 (talk) 05:13, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
States of America 5 Reloaded
Hey I'm trying to get the game back up again so join if youre interested
CommanderOfTheFourthReich 01:21, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
Yes I would be fine with that I apolgoize for taking so long.
Could you give me an outline of your plans for South Africa? I believe they would remain stable and maybe swallow Swaziland and a few nearby areas as their former nations destabilize. Scandinator (talk) 01:21, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
Yea, they were there after 9/11 and in greater force since Iraq never happened. The American bases were in the main cities but most are along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. After their supplies ran out most of the Americans in Afghanistan were killed by the taliban who now control Afghanistan and parts of Pakistan. Scandinator (talk) 08:45, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
UTC Time: Israel launched the first ones at around 7am 22 December 2012. By 8:30am UTC that day, all nuclear nations had launched their weapons, the shitstorm ended just after 12pm UTC time as the last of the Russian nukes hit on American soil. Scandinator (talk) 22:03, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
The ISS has a Soyuz spacecraft docked at all times. They were able to communicate with Australia, South Africa and Chile. When the scientists needed to leave the ISS due to stortages in something (not sure yet) they crash landed their ship off the east coast of Australia. They were picked up by Australian naval ships and taken to Sydney. Scandinator (talk) 15:33, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
Communications are never lost between Chile, Australia, South Africa and several other nations thanks to a few lucky satelites that are soon reinforced by three new ones at the end of 2013 as the three nations attempt to improve communications. Ships and planes operate between the continents. The internet is broken into two sections with Southern Africa able to use an extremely slow version and Australia able to use a faster version. Scandinator (talk) 14:03, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
PM in Britain's World
Henry had only just been elected to the Virginia house by 1765, and wasn't at all known beyond that. Nor had he any connections to Parliament, or those in power in the UK.
In all likelihood, the first PM would be Benjamin Franklin. Well known in the colonies, an accomplished politician - among other things - connected both internationally and in Britain.... the list goes on. He even had the clout to get his son - an illegitimate son, at that, making it even more of an effort - named the governor of New Jersey by the crown. And that's not even the colony they lived or were born in.
He'd easily be named the first one.
Patrick Henry would not be in such a position for at least another decade.
I got an idea!
Hey man! I just had an idea for India. In 1947, the starting populations of Pakistan and Bangldesh were at 30 million each. India had more people than the two countries (around 450 million). So, to my idea. Because Gandhi is murdered by a muslim (and religious divisions are more heighted to begin with), a civil war erupts, sparked by hindu extremists.
In this civil war, hindus in east and west Pakistan would be massacred, while the same would happen to muslims in India. Why would this be a civil war, because Gandhi would be murdered in the fall of 1945, when the Brits would be too busy to try to put down the unrest. So, then (because there are more hindus), the hindus gain the upper hand and massacre millions of muslims, especially where Bangladesh would be. 20 of the 30 million would either die or be missing, with the remainder migrating to Pakistan or Afghanistan. In Pakistani areas, the muslims would have much more successes, and there only 10 out of the 30 million would die. Yet Punjab would come under hindu hands, and most of the muslims will be pushed more west and south into hilly areas.
This means India's population would be a good 400-600 million less (from 1.8 to maybe 1.2 - 1.4 billion). The reason for the assimilation of the remainder of Pakistan will have to change then, as there would be no Bangladesh to start off with.
Dear Enclave/Kyle I read your reveiw and I see the problem, you now have the full right to ban a player for a certain amount of turns for issues you see reasonable such as Implausability, Metagaming, Cheating, etc. For permanent bannings you also have the power, as well as the right to remove posts, message players,for violations, etc. also for every violation you see as minor but hurting the game, you give a warning, after 3 violations you can ban them for 1 turn, they do it again, 2 turns, 4 turns, etc. the same applies in major violations but its 1 warning then 2 turn ban, then 4, 8, 16, etc or what you see fit, you are now joint Cheif Moderator alongside me, but I will accept and back you on all decisions you make. Tacos! (DeanSims: Talk)
Germany has defeated the Dutch, but not claimed there colonies yet, so you could try to persuade the governors of Surinam and Netherlands Antilles to accept the USA as a master, well it worked for the Aussies in Indonesia!The River Nile-2 (talk) 23:18, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
You are invited to join the Allies abroad in Europe. If you do, you will be able to defeat Mexico in algorithms and take land.
Axis vs Allies: Reborn
Italy offers you an alliance and,will declare war on Germany next turn. (DeanSims: Talk) 03:43, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
1914 British Fire
Land of Opprotunity
The Democratic International Treaty Organization offers the USA membership and a seat in the security Council, and we pledge never to threaten your possessions or try and take them away from from you through diplomacy war or any other way, we will always aid you, and will give you oil for half price.DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 03:06, February 10, 2013 (UTC)
DITO asks the USA what it will take to end your bitterness and why you hate us. We offer free oil for 50 years and will aid you in any and all military endeavors as well as pass even.more democratic reforms, especialy in Japan and other nations. DITO also wishes for you to join and offers you a permanent seat on Security Council and we will allow you to use,DITO military bases for free. We also.promise no tarrifs. please respond wuth your answer and criticisms. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 02:49, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
Looks good. Just one major issue. The area suffered an almost direct hit by the EMP. Everything electronic that in use at the time and was not protected by a Faraday device is gone. You have to replace all the circuits and the wiring to restore the electronics. The only areas in the world with the resources to do this is Australia and South Africa. Scandinator (talk) 03:43, February 15, 2013 (UTC)
new turn on the Rebellion map game
Thank you for joining my map game. I know it's a different style than most map games, and you're nice to try it out for me. We'll get started as soon as a few more people sign up.
join us, we have tacos
Dude, you need to boot Qingheng from the mod position, he is biased, ASB, and booted Sine Dei Gloriem from mod because "This is alternate history, we don't need a History Mod." In fact, i propose a rollback Daxus Inferno (talk) 15:03, March 1, 2013 (UTC)
World War II Alternate History
There's no way the Japanese can do it.
Germans.... well, how exactly do you define victory for them? Different people have different answers for that.
The UDA asks Mexico if Mexico can annex the UDA, as a Canadian victory agaisnt the USA and Brtian was implausible and i want a a superopower to balance the ASB ruled Canada. You would control the Mexican nation DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 11:35, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
No American Revolutions means at a minimum, the French Revolution is delayed - but it probably doesn't happen. Depends on why there was no American Revolution. As for Napoleon, he's going to go up the ranks irregardless, though with the king in power he'd stop as some rank of general.
They'd sell Alaska.
Yes, more or less inevitable.
No AR means the Spanish revolts are probably delayed. Would not prevent them, however.
Constitutional Monarchy is Democracy.
Not only would a constitution not exist, but that second amendment definitely would not in any form. And even if it did, it sure as heck would not mean what that thing has been changed to mean in the last four decades.
An Imperial Federation would be unlikely, at best.
Hanover would cease to be a personal union at some point. Brits considered it a weakness, and as soon as a woman becomes the monarch of GB, the personal union ends.
Night of the Living Alternate History
The eagle's broken wingEdit
SInce you've been such a loyal follower of the Napoleon's World timeline, I figured you'd want to be one of the first to know when I published my first book. It's completely separate from NW, but here it is anyways, in eBook format (if you have a tablet, you just need the free Kindle app to download it):
Hey there! I noticed your interests and the fact that you're pretty into the 1983: Doomsday project. So I thought, seeing as how your name is Enclavehunter and your profile pic is the NCR flag, that you'd be the go-to guy for the Nevada page of 1983: Doomsday. Anyway, just a suggestion. --Dwbug (talk) 14:29, June 17, 2013 (UTC)Dante
Need a solid
I would like to know if you could vote "Are They Alien" on the game forum back on Conworld. I would very much like to keep the Ixanians as aliens. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 20:44, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
Turkey would like to purchase Iraq from you, the British in AvA. We agree to allow you military bases and we will sign a allaince with you. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 19:20, August 4, 2013 (UTC)
Would you mod on And There Was Light? The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 01:23, August 30, 2013 (UTC)
I don't come here often because of priorities elsewhere, so I just learned of your article on Delaware. It seems okay for the most part. If I can be of any assistance since Delmarva is my article, please feel free to either email me or leave me a message on my board. I have more information I put together on Delmarva's history that I had not got around to posting at my article. --Fxgentleman (talk) 01:52, October 28, 2013 (UTC)
New York City vs ...
Yeah, it would in all livelihood be. Unless you have something akin to otl LA happen, anyway. Other cities - ala~ otl - in the south/southwest would be catching up, however. Lordganon (talk) 16:07, October 30, 2013 (UTC)
Philly would be the capital. It was actually the leading colonial city and the center for politicians, etc. And the new government, unlike the US otl, would not need to compromise a site for a capital by building a new one, either.
More or less like Canada otl with regards to government.
Hey! I couldn't help but notice your edit on LG's talkpage.
Perhaps this might help?
Absolutely no problem =)
The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!) 20:41, November 17, 2013 (UTC)
Mexico and stuff (36)
Hey Enclave. I am in fact the in charge of the Mexico page. So how do you want to go about with this? I was thinking at around 1954 the nation would once again become a part of Mexico. How do you reckon/want this to happen? War or do you think diplomatically rejoining the Union would be the best step forward?
I think we should go for the third option. How you may ask? We can say that at the start the VR did a good job but as remainder Mexico (it had a few northern breakaways too) got its act together and reconquered the northern breakaways and then began to see crops grow better. Its alliance with Brazil would also help it and eventually a referendum in the VR would decide they would like to join Mexico again - like the Saarland.
You see, that is the tricky part lol. It would definately have to be sometime after the 1950s, but it cannot be past the early 1960s - or they might never end up rejoining. Before 1950 Mexico would be occupied with multiple matters as it is and would also have to look to establish control over the northern breakaways. After the 1960s the only major way I think would be war and even then they might lose people support - although probably not. :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:47, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
Guns' link would help as a start.
Would also help. Especially with the military ones, if something went wrong and someone took the opportunity to be a complete and utter moron... Yikes. Remember, though, that until the early 1950s the Soviets can't really hurt the West with them, and until the decade was almost done, can't hurt the US mainland.
For closer calls, look here.
Hey! I noticed you were America on AvA R-word. Care to mod? We need experienced players...
The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!) 20:34, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, and I'll do it now.
The Mighty Guns is too Glorious (or lazy) to go to source mode and type out his real sig (Dammit, Guns!) 22:15, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
Human History Experiment
I'd like to invite you to my new Map Game, Human History Experiment . It takes place on an unknown landmass, and if it can stay plausible will eventually move through 6000 years of human history.Wegscuba (talk) 02:55, November 28, 2013 (UTC)
hey id like to talk about the status of Cuba in AvA. i realize US history with cuba but i think it would be better for us both if i was allowed to use the shared ancestry to prevent communism than puppeting them american styled.
Well then its gonna bounce from you to me eventually. thats for sure. Youll have it for the time being but after awhile its gonna leave you in an increasingly untenable position that i dont feel like dealing with.
Posting for japan for the next few days
hey can you post for me for the next few turns im going to be on a plan to canada tomorrow and i need someone to post for me tomorrow and on saturday can you do it?
if so just post suppression in china and korea, ecnomic development in the puppets states. and all research projects continue, also state that i requested you post for me.
Forgive me, but I would like clarification here. I'd be more than happy to make a flag for you, but do you have a basic design in mind? If you're asking me make up one off the top of my head, than I really can't do that. If you can give me a general design idea you have in mind than I can work from there (shouldn't be too hard).
Though if you are interested, I've also worked on my own Imperial Federation for the 13 Fallen Stars timeline. The flag I use (which was based on another design done here years prior) is just a blue ensign with the (complete) symbol of the Commonwealth of Nations. If you'd like, you are more than welcome to use this flag (so long as you don't re-uploaded here). -- NuclearVacuum 01:59, December 23, 2013 (UTC)
Im willing to negotiate a friendship, the US used to recognize Brazil as its equal in the West, let us get back to that point.
As it stands we are both influencing Cuba, and would want the Caribbean islands, but considering the fact you puppeted mexico who was going to be a Decent ally to myself
1. i would in return like everything south of Cuba, no offense but outside of sugar and location they got nothing and would be better off in a bloc with alot more cultural similarities. In Exchange for this im willing to overlook the nastiness in Mexico, overlook your attempt at Cuba, and the alliance with Colombia. In the Event of Britain falling apart or being unable to tend to its territories of Bermuda and the Bahamas those are all yours.
2. i will expand trade and recognize various industries that i will never fully beat you in, hence assuring my loyalty to the friendship, considering i will need higher quality farm equipment, automobiles, and probably computers for awhile when the time comes. 3. Also i may be Federating with a large amount of my vassals in the future and would appreciate either Recognition, or non interference in the process of Federating and any future states that will eventually become members.
4. We establish a mutual defensive alliance regarding any forms of Super-Fascism or Communism that could potentially make landfall in the Americas. We also Adopt the policy of Containment against the Soviet union abroad.
5. The US and Brazil and its potential successor entity maintain decent ambassadorial contact through respective embassies and attempt to solve any and all disputes diplomatically, and refrain from military force against each other.
I hope these terms are agreeable and i will be willing to continually negotiate over the situation.
Ok thats awesome to hear. Glad we can work this out, i expect a nice long and fruitful relationship with the United States.
The Great Lakes?
Hey Enclave, Imp and I are starting up an idea for a timeline/map game, and we came up with a list of possible players, as we don't want just anyone to join. Your name came up, and you're the last we've spoken to, so are you up for it? Here's the page - The Great Lakes. Gimme a shout if you're interested - FP 21:13, February 11, 2014 (UTC)
You pinged me about Utah -- feel free to adopt it. Dr. Cayne Armand 21:57, March 28, 2014 (UTC)
Hey, since I just got around to seeing the comment you left on my page about Utah:
I don't know how a whole lot of concretes would look, but you may want to elaborate on how life has changed over the past few years with a larger NAU (meaning a larger regional economy) and more trade. Current events, relations with nearby states and the like would all need to be updated (something I've been just getting around to doing for my own articles after leaving the TL for 3 years -.-). Outside of that I'd say use your imagination. Arstar talk 04:48, August 25, 2015 (UTC)
Ok, maybe the partial erosion of Mormonism's influence on the government wile the faith itself may spread to other NAU member-states. Given contact with other "secular" countries as per its membership in the NAU, the local populace may listen less and less to the LDS, either for "a breath of fresh air"'s sake or for other reasons.
An increased economy, railroad/transportation construction etc, would all see a boost, given the time that has passed since it was last largely updated, as would foreign relations. There's a lack of info on the SNU, its neighbor to the west, and West Texas doesn't exist anymore so maybe talk about how its relations with the Republic of Texas are. If the MSP is feared, as is Santa Cruz, then write about that too.
You might want to take alook at how it's relationship to the new US and other NAU states would go (will it lean towards re-unification in the far future or establish itself as an independent entity "for good", that I leave up to you). I'd say territorial expansion is out of the question, except for maybe finalizing the borders and resolving the discrepancy between claimed and controlled territory. The lands co-governed with Dinetah aside, theres quite a few chunks of land that fall into the boundaries od several other countries that for the most part are also in the NAU or nearby.
Delete "Hero Oswald"
Excuase but can you please delete the "Hero Oswald" page? I'm sick of it and I realize it may not be true.
The Great Lakes
Re: Utah, Again
Hey, sorry for the wait. I just checked it out, pretty solid so far, good job.
Now on the unifying with Dinetah, I don't think that would still be possible to be perfectly honest. Given that the two are already part of a "union" of sorts, allowing free travel and a common currency, it doesn't make sense for the two to unify anymore This was written in at an earlier time when the future of the two was not quite certain, and I feel like Dinetah's other Native allies in the region (Lakota) would object heavily. You're welcome to challenge me on this, though, maybe you can come up with a good angle if we both get the gears turning.
Maybe, though, you could look into adopting Dinetah as well, if you have any ideas on it (i.e. some modest expansion?) It's been scantly updated in the past few years. Arstar talk 15:51, September 30, 2015 (UTC)
Hey, can you come to the chat please? I have lots of great alternative ideas I want to discuss.
I'm licensed to chill 21:07, October 7, 2015 (UTC)
enclave i was gonna edit for statehood
for superior republic
enclave CAN I JUST PLEASE EDIT THE ARTICLE ABOUT THE SUPERIOR REPUBLIC
Thanks a Million!
I look back in it's History, and Wow!!! You adopted the Future Wiki! I don't know if anyone ever thanked you for this. It's a great wiki, and without your help, I would never have discovered it.
Thanks, -FirestormWhat age rating system would have the republic of california?