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i need to talk about a few things that ive requested for a while and id like to know the response on them. With Blood and Iron (talk) 17:29, November 28, 2016 (UTC)


LOL GOOD JOB Bibleboyd316 (talk) 17:33, November 28, 2016 (UTC)


I see you now Oh, I didn't mean to push that button!Oh, well leave a message I guess 19:42, January 11, 2017 (UTC)

Map changes


You seemed to have passed off the map updates like they were somehow trivial. Absolutely none of the updates on the talk page were added. Did you read them? I conquered Ethiopia, Fallacy conquered Oromo, Delhi and Bengal had a war, Oman colonized, etc. Not to mention the changes not on the map: China split with a civil war so the southern Yunnan/Guangdong region is the Kingdom of Tali. All the tribal confederacies of North America died out 40 years ago. Peru is more centralized and Australia has a bronze age kingdom now. I understand you may not have noticed all of them, but for goodness sake you can't just update your allies and then purport that as the official map. Oh, I didn't mean to push that button!Oh, well leave a message I guess 20:36, January 13, 2017 (UTC)

Nk's request

Nk wants you to text him on Facebook. I am that guy (talk) 23:31, January 14, 2017 (UTC)

you slavic bastards will lose

free to talk on chat now? 

With Blood and Iron (talk) 14:27, January 18, 2017 (UTC)

Colonial Massacres

Recently you halted my expansion due to native massacres, and i accept this and realise that I am overextended. However in around five turns or more i am planning on subjugating or converting the tribes in retaliation- 1.Convert or subjugate the tribes still remaining on the fully colonised Andros Island. Probably realistic due to low numbers on tribes people on that island. 6,000?. I outnumber them. 2.I will then eventually retaliate against native tribes or the Seminole in Florida, possibly subjugating them due to disease and superior weaponry. Far-Fetched but at this point of time disease and superior weaponry helped Europeans defeat natives. 3.If this succeeds then I will consolidate for around 5-10 turns then i will start colonising again. Which parts of this plan are realistic and if so please respond. RedDragon2000 (talk) 00:24, January 27, 2017 (UTC)

Re:Accidental Duplication

Thank you for letting me know.

From the looks of it, you uploaded the correct file. This means that you [yourself] have found a duplicate. May I have the link to the article you saw the file on? Thank you. -- NuclearVacuum Russian America 00:47, February 14, 2017 (UTC)


im back on chat. whats your idea? With Blood and Iron (talk) 19:25, February 14, 2017 (UTC)


War has broken out, Bradenburg and Burgundy have attacked me. Any chance you could support? Person67 (talk) 10:11, February 16, 2017 (UTC)


We need to talk on chat.             Reichsadler der Deutsches Reich (1933–1945).svg Ungern Von Sternberg A Man's GREATEST Joy is Crushing his Enemies Lacedaemon.png 13:10, February 17, 2017 (UTC)

Space for Saxony?

I already made my turn for Saxony, and with my horror I see Saxony is has a colour of orange. I swiftly went to the nations but see its just my name. I need your help and just reinsure me that I'm not messing up with that Sergiusz01 (talk) 22:26, February 27, 2017 (UTC)


Can we use your algo for the Red Paper Map Game? Cuz we really need an algo right now...             Reichsadler der Deutsches Reich (1933–1945).svg Ungern Von Sternberg A Man's GREATEST Joy is Crushing his Enemies Lacedaemon.png 15:05, March 9, 2017 (UTC)

Kiev partiton

partition plans

Posting this turn on the war


Disregard what I said earlier today, I hadn't fully read your post (and I'm sure I caught you at a very bad time). But if it's alright with you, I'd like to try to speak with you before I post to make sure we are on the same page Oh, I didn't mean to push that button!Oh, well leave a message I guess 23:44, March 28, 2017 (UTC)

PM4 war

Hey Feud,

I was hoping to catch you tonight, but since you weren't here I just put up my turn addressing the current situation. I'm not entirely sure what the plan is to do in the next step, as I am expecting another act of ambition to kick off the next phase of the war. So the next time we're in chat we can discuss or just update on what steps are intended next. It's been very fun so far, but I want to make sure nothing is missed due to any lack of communication. 


Nathan Oh, I didn't mean to push that button!Oh, well leave a message I guess 05:27, March 31, 2017 (UTC)

Re:our war

Hey Feud,

When we were on chat earlier today, I didn't get a chance to ask about the timing of the next phase. I don't want to sound like I'm rushing anything, but I don't see a reason why you should take very long to fortify before attacking, considering that the crusaders will lose anyway (as we both will lose). How about part of the reason the Belkans are forced back is a rush by the more ambitious commanders, who feel such waiting before siezing the Holy Land unecessary. Thus, not completing the fortifications you would expect. 

I mean, I don't want to spoil your tactics at all, but I have been preparing and waiting myself the entire war until now, and I don't want to wait much of any longer. Your success in the Ottomans was mostly due to catching the Muslims ill-prepared, so it would only be fair for the Belkans to fall back for the same reason.

The ball being in your court the whole time (first waiting on your preparation, then being at a disadvantage because of that preparation) just has the risk of being more annoying than fun. Again, I just feel it would be more realistic and interesting if the over ambition of the crusaders to attack before being fortified was their downfall. 

Anyway, that's my suggestion, I obviously can't do much from twiddling my thumbs until you get me inolved in this. Oh, I didn't mean to push that button!Oh, well leave a message I guess 20:38, April 1, 2017 (UTC)

New naval rules

If you are going to implement these new rules for naval engagements, ship score needs to be altered. In the current system (0.3 per 10 ships), the largest fleet size in a battle, 60 ships, only amounts to a score of 1.8, while in a "very small" battle, 5 ships amount to 0.15 score. It seems ships contribute very little to the actual battle. I think their score should be boosted. General534 (talk) 09:03, April 14, 2017 (UTC)

PM4: Ionia


I cannot tolerate you consolidating your control in Turkey. We agreed long ago you remaining your control solely in Europe, a deal which you continually push and push in favor of your constant thirst for expansion. The ONLY reason you insisted on the great turkish war in the first place was to "liberate" the greeks there, which you constantly made agitating the Turkic rulers in the past. Clearly, they were safe from their future slavic enslavers, inspite of you promising to keep on your side of the Hellespont long ago. The Great Turkish War as we agreed kept none of our influence within the reigon whatsoever. We had our war, I lost territory I didn't mean to hold, and you kept to your side of the Aegean as we originally agreed. You insisted to protect a couple of nations to prevent anarchy which I permitted. This is too far. I don't care you aren't directly controlling it. I don't care your colonial empire won't come for a few centuries. It isn't starting now, and it ceritanly isn't going in Asia. The nations in Anatolia remain independent Anatolian with neither of our influences. I have been totally magnanimous to leave it be. I have sacrificed a ton to keep things fair in the hemispheres i influence, including Turkey. I don't care how we keep central Anatolia as noman's land. All of Turkey is no man's land, and always has been (except for my control of Ottomans which I gave up). And don't think that my vassals in the east justify you holding anything. I originally had the whole thing as a vassal which I generously gave up, but I'm not just giving it to you. I don't understand how keeping to one region is so much more difficult for you than me. Remove this or it will be forcefully removed, by both Scraw and myself. Oh, I didn't mean to push that button!Oh, well leave a message I guess 01:40, June 1, 2017 (UTC)

PS, if you want to consolidate the Greek-majority nations together, that's your own business of course. Colonization of that region - that is the agreed upon homeland of the Greeks according to your promised word - is what I'm vetoing. This warning event opens that avenue. Oh, I didn't mean to push that button!Oh, well leave a message I guess 05:03, June 1, 2017 (UTC)

TSPTF - forreal this time

I am gonna be nominating you for TSPTF. Are you fine with accepting? 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:45, June 2, 2017 (UTC)

Algo question: Morocco in Mali

Hey Feud,

In the grand scheme of things, I remember back how you billed Benin as so much more powerful because of Viva's ASB, and for that reason allowed Mali to get pulverized twice (first as NPC then by Josh). 

Bozi has always been the only active nation in the region, and the only player nation in west Africa at all until Josh. For that reason, he worked a while to dominate Mali technologically and economically. 

So I was confused that a draft algo bozi showed me was heavily weighted against him. He seems to only get a battle score of +8, while Mali after all of its trouble has a score of +36. I feel like there must be something either I or bozi is doing wrong, so maybe you could look into it. 

I have not taken profesisonal militaries into account at all, as I've never used that part of the algo before, so maybe that is relevant in some way.

Also, I'm not sure why you set Morocco's population at 5 million. It had 4 million back in the 15th century of the game and I'm sure somewhat more in the Benin Civil War. I know, having more than 5 million would imply North African population is a bit more than it was in OTL, but I think there are good arguments for it, primarily Edge doing the same gardening work you did in pm3, followed by the peace under my rule. 

Anyway, perhaps if you could clarify or verify any of that information, that's all I need.


Nathan Oh, I didn't mean to push that button!Oh, well leave a message I guess 20:54, June 4, 2017 (UTC)


Membership badge of the TSPTF

Congratulations, you are now a Constable in the TSPTF. This allows you to showcase the TSPTF membership badge on your user page. Furthermore it gives you the rollback power on this wiki. In the History page of an article you will notice a new option called "rollback". This is an anti-vandalism tool. It allows you to quickly undo edits in case someone has made more than one edit to a page. By clicking rollback it will immediately revert the article to a time before the offending editor edited the page. This is your most important duty. By agreeing to be a constable, you are promising to do your best to patrol for vandals and trolls.

When you get the chance, please go to the TSPTF page, and sign up for some responsibilities. In reality, none of us have the time to devote to all of the duties that are expected of an administrator of the wiki. You are expected, however, to sign up for at least three responsibilities listed in that section. These are duties that you are agreeing to carry out to the best of your ability every time you are on this wiki. I'm hoping that by doing this the members of the TSPTF can efficiently share the work load of the wiki and gives us time for the real reason we are here. Since you are only a constable and do not have the power to delete or block, do not feel obligated to sign up for any duties you do not have the powers to do. Please inform and respect those in a position to do so if you see a problem that involves a needs for either of those things.

Again, congratulations on being elected to the TSPTF and good luck. Make the wiki proud.  SkyGreen24 16:44, June 16, 2017 (UTC)

PM4: Ethiopian war


I expected to see you today. Bozi has been extremely persistent on his algos on the talk page for his intervention in my civil war. I personally doubt the plausibility of him being able to meneuver troops in Egypt on his own, but even so I plan for my war to last another 10 years, so being slowed down isn't so much a problem, if that turns out to be your call. 

If you do decide to accept his ability to have algos, I want you to look over them over. I did some correcting myself, but perhaps there's something I missed. I know you are busy cause of work, etc (I work too), so just make it a #1 priority. 

For future algos of the war, I personally consider it may be high time for Prince Theodore of Ethiopia to become the great general he was born to be. Oh, I didn't mean to push that button!Oh, well leave a message I guess 04:49, June 19, 2017 (UTC)

Yo fam I want Poland in principa (JacksonHitchcock (talk) 00:24, July 11, 2017 (UTC)) Jackson out mah boi


Hello can I please have a link to the new chat? Thank you Malthree (talk) 21:07, July 21, 2017 (UTC)

Treaty of Rabat

Can you explain why you changed the treaty? I was only asking for 36 pixels, and you're forcing me to only take 25? As far as I can tell we won a decisive victory using two algorithms. Note, we could have posted more algorithms but we didn't deem it necessary considering all parties involved agreed to the treaty we wanted. But then, six turns later (which by the way is against the rules), you retcon the treaty that we all agreed to. You should have taken note if there was a problem a week ago, it's really too late to retcon it, if the rules are to be believed. Not to mention, at the time when Person posted his version of the terms we only had one algorithm. Do you really mean to tell me that it's plausible for me to take 25 pixels off one algorithm, but winning a second algorithm in which we double our win percentage, doesn't allow me to get to 36? Please let me know the reasoning behind this please, because I don't think it is very fair. Thank you, Gatthias (talk) 01:26, August 7, 2017 (UTC)

I meant you should have voiced your concerns to me, because as it was it wasn't really clear. At the time you said that based on what we had so far we should be taking one city each. Then our percentage doubled, as we doubled the number of algorithms, so I thought common sense would dictate taking one other city would be warranted. You may have voiced some concerns at the time, but what I meant when I said this is a week late is that the treaty was already agreed to and even implemented on the map. You need to have a majority of moderators agree with you to do a retcon, as per the rules, and after talking to a few other mods I don't think they all agree with you. This isn't my first endeavor across the sea, keep in mind I already previously invaded Cyprus, for example, and currently have a presence there. In OTL when the Portuguese invaded Morocco for the first time they even took two cities, not one, so I don't think just because it is my first time invading Maghreb I should be limited to only take one city. In fact in OTL they took a greater count of pixels than I wanted. I'm literally just asking for 11 pixels, how is that implausible? In some areas of the map that would be a rounding error. The other players who are actually involved don't seem to think it's implausible. The Maghreb player certainly didn't, he agreed to the treaty quite quickly. 11 pixels is too much after winning another algorithm, but meanwhile the French tried to buy roughly 400 pixels in North Africa and you say that's not implausible? I believe that if someone invades and decisively defeats an enemy they should be allowed to carry out what they want, when all they want is 0.001% (a thousandth of a percent) of the defeated nation. And furthermore I don't think it's fair that this isn't allowed, but buying 40x as much territory by a random third party is allowed. And on top of that I don't think it's fair that a moderator can ignore the rules (or as least bend them) and retcon something that everyone else in the game (seemingly) agreed was okay, a week after the fact. Gatthias (talk) 06:10, August 7, 2017 (UTC)


I just came back to the wiki and I was wondering how I join the discord... Do I need to go to someone else or do you have the code? Flippedlion.png NicDonalds Lionsymbol.png 21:30, September 6, 2017 (UTC)

Alright, you said you wanted to discuss the conditions?

Alright, i agree to these terms,I'll try to get a big enough force in North Egypt (it may just be a militia group of libyans who don't want Egyptian control of East Libya) but I was hoping that since arabia just now entered the Egyptian revolution against me that if we win both wars that I could get the Sinai Peninsula back and lease you some of it to build the canal (and some of OTL saudia Arabia west coast) but I am VERY thakful for your Aid in the revolution, I hope to repay you as soon as possible!

In fact I'll just lease you the entire peninsula for 5 years so you can build the Canal.

Alright, I'm gonna start an Naval Bonbardment and possible Naval Landing on Alexandria, is this alright?

Nvm about the Libyan revolt thing, I can't do it sooo idk what to do in the north.

Hey umm, I was wondering if we could discuss Our plans for dealing with the Egyptian revolution, would making an Attack and Naval Invasion of Alexandria be a good idea right now?

Alright dude, I might surrender. I'm getting kinda tired of the war and I want to become hungary now (Scraw gave me permission to switch after the revolution)so I'm just wondering if you are okay with this, I know you are busy with Life and such so I hope this isn't bothering you too much but yeah... see ya! Hope to see your response!

If I surrender you can focus on on arabia!


Since you are a moderator,i was wondering if I could start a nation in Pricipia Moderni IV.It's called the Maori kingdom and is located on both Islands of New Zealand,which is unoccupied and currently free.Please,man,can i make this nation?Bender123 (talk) 15:50, October 13, 2017 (UTC)

PM4 Hawaii

Can I get more of a response to the war I had as Hawaii? It seems like you didn't really read what I said and just said "fuck off". Tonga is a small tribal nation right on the edge of my borders with a very small percentage of Hawaii's population (like 10%), basically no modern technology, and no defenses. As I recall way back in 1700 I said I wanted to conquer the other Hawaiian islands as Hawaii but was waiting until I had greater technology, and you're the one who said I should just go ahead and conquer the other islands, and I did. Now, despite saying that the sole Big Island could conquer the other islands kingdoms, all the islands collectively (plus all of French Polynesia and my allies) couldn't conquer a single kingdom. I know Hawaii isn't the most advanced nation in the world or the most populous, but I don't see why there's any reason I can't conquer a single tribal nation still probably stuck in the stone age. I'm the one who even brought this nation in the game so I know their technology level and sophistication. So do you have any counters to my points other than just "fuck off"? Side note: maybe this would be easier to talk about on discord, if you could send me a link to it. Thanks Hquvfrioyle Lilenofryn (talk) 20:01, October 14, 2017 (UTC)

Did you get my message from earlier? I need to know what to do before I can post and none of the mods seem to be interested in replying. Can you please get back to me? Hquvfrioyle Lilenofryn (talk) 04:17, October 17, 2017 (UTC)

PMIV help

May you suggest what I should put at the beginning for my economic changes? Cause I want to know.

Alright, so what can my country do for now to expand the economy? I could try too hook up to major powers like Russia or Belka (sense those are the major powers I have good relations with). I need to know my options as I'm in a tough spot without any sea access, and I can't just conquer Lands when my army is weak compared to the 3 Superpowers around me, and Poland is protected by Germany.

Hi Feud. I believe your mod so I just gotta few questions. My first is it possible I can remove my 1807 turn, I did it in a rush and it wasn't so good. Second of all, if the canal of pharophs is used would there be any use for the Suez Canal and could I expand on the canal of the pharopahs? Cheers FranzJoseph24 (talk) 12:37, October 18, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. May I delete I tho? FranzJoseph24 (talk) 16:44, October 18, 2017 (UTC)


Can you respond to my offer to buy the Karpathos Island? Thanks. SolaceEaSw (talk) 21:17, December 4, 2017 (UTC)


Alright, sorry for the misunderstanding. Colgan dog (talk) 00:11, February 27, 2018 (UTC)

Also, do I have to ask permission to switch my nation? Colgan dog (talk) 00:18, February 27, 2018 (UTC)


Hey old friend how do people communicate on here these days! what games and timelines are worth reading or getting involved in. g greg e (talk) 15:00, April 7, 2018 (UTC)

What does relocation mean?

What does relocation mean?

Why was it necessary?

Bil EoGuy/EoGuy99 Mesa AZ

EoGuy99 (talk) 19:16, April 7, 2018 (UTC)

Yo I was wondering why the map doesn't seem to show that as it shows me having coastline in both the Black Sea and in the med Sea. Man of hell

Once again there’s a dark purple and then a light purple is the light purple Austria or Hungary. Man of hell

I apologize also who would you back the radicals or the republicans?


Posted Theodore !!'s trip to Belka on the 1871 turn

Tharpe23 (talk) 00:35, May 12, 2018 (UTC)

Belka question

Hmm. I have found your Belka quite interesting. One thing I am curious about, is what are the Uniforms of the Army (generalized.) Also, with your African colony, do you plan it like some timeline's Mittleafrika (as in a highly developed colonial superstate that has some limited autonomy)? 


Great War

Hey Feud, just wanted to tell you that I will not be participating in the Great War after this Peace with nate, as the Egyptian Military has totally been humiliated, and I’ll need to rebuild my military, navy, and both my airservices and the Sinai. Also, since belka didn’t aid egypt in the war the population is pretty salty and kinda hates the international community right now, so yeah. Cybermats, created by the Cybermen, they kill by feeding off Brainwaves 19:36, September 28, 2018 (UTC)

Fleet Issue

See my post -- it's not about the fleet, it's that he didn't do an algo and didn't give me a chance to post a composition whatsoever anyway. Hdjensofjfnen (talk) 19:34, September 29, 2018 (UTC)

Not Atzlani


Bil Mesa AZ EoGuy99 (talk) 03:22, October 1, 2018 (UTC)

More precisely

Aztláni - with the accented A.

Bil EoGuy99 (talk) 03:41, October 1, 2018 (UTC)

Great War

FINE, I’ll withdraw from Iberia, but but if Steph doesn’t pledge to stay the hell away from Egypt there will be problems. Also, like i said before all this started, I won’t join the war, I won’t sacrifice my troops to fight in Arcadia so Belka can have Arcadia be peaceful and loyal to Belka. Egypt will not gain anything from this, i don’t care if I get trade deals or what not, right now I’m tired of fighting and I’m not going to send my troops to fight in yet another war but not for the glory of Egypt but for the preservation of the belkan empire. Anyways, that’s all, see ya. Cybermats, created by the Cybermen, they kill by feeding off Brainwaves 22:46, October 1, 2018 (UTC)


What will you do about Arabia declaring war on Britain? I mean you got mad at me for attacking Iberia but you don’t seem to even give a thought about arabia. Cybermats, created by the Cybermen, they kill by feeding off Brainwaves 22:05, October 7, 2018 (UTC)

Alright I understand, thank you for responding. Cybermats, created by the Cybermen, they kill by feeding off Brainwaves 11:50, October 8, 2018 (UTC)

Egypt Civil War

welp i'm back, and ready to win this civil war! when do you think you can get the economy back up?

Cybermats, created by the Cybermen, they kill by feeding off Brainwaves 02:58, October 25, 2018 (UTC)


I accidentally deleted the strike out and then couldn't remember where it was.

Bil Mesa AZ EoGuy99 (talk) 15:48, October 29, 2018 (UTC)

hey feud, sorry to bother you, but do you perhaps know how long i am banned for? (on PMIV)Cybermats, created by the Cybermen, they kill by feeding off Brainwaves 01:21, November 3, 2018 (UTC)

Hey Feud.

Do you intend to make the Magrehb independent in future turns?

FranzJoseph24 (talk) 17:35, January 6, 2019 (UTC)

Further vs farther

"Farther" is distance.

Bil Mesa AZ EoGuy99 (talk) 04:16, August 6, 2019 (UTC)

Hey Feud

Are the French Departents in North Africa and French North Africa separate entities?

FranzJoseph24 (talk) 20:28, August 28, 2019 (UTC)

Is it possible to play as French North Africa without playing as France? Or able to play as the French Departementsnof Algeria Tunisia and the colony of libya

FranzJoseph24 (talk) 14:20, August 29, 2019 (UTC)

I would like to play as the Berber ethnic group. The berbers are an ehnic group originating from north & west Africa. I have some reasons for this :

1. The only nation a player is playing as in North Africa is Morroco, and this could add a little more to this part of the world,

2. The Berbers are a weak ehnic group, but with dedication and effort, they could threaten the Mediterranean and the whole of Europe, adding a challenge to other players,

and 3. I would just like to play as the Berbers overall.

Here's the map:

Map, text in green is Toothiccforskool.

And here's the source :

Toothiccforskool (talk) 07:00, December 10, 2019 (UTC)


hey you on discord IkeAngew (talk) 03:49, December 29, 2019 (UTC)

Hello I think you misunderstood my post. Not all four batches were poisoned, only one was. I was asking for the mods to pick randomly out of the four which one of the relatives would die. Thanks User:Gerriandour 

Can you just roll a four sided die to pick which one? User:Gerriandour

I'm just trying to do a story about the liqourice and I wanted to randomly decide which person dies, it's not supposed to be an assassination attempt 

I tried to work with France and you crossed it out, I tried to not work with France you crossed it out. With the Celtic Confederacy, Spain, and Portugal all attacking France, this seemed like the best time to attack them, why did you cross it out? I would like to defend my territory which they are attempting to take. Qarlonc (talk) 07:01, June 19, 2020 (UTC)