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Hello FS, I was alerting you that you are invited to a new closed-group timeline by the name of Knightfall that was thought of by Guns and I. Basically in the TL, Ogedei Khan doesn't die right before the Mongols invade Western Europe and they go on to conquer much of the continent, as the Holy Roman Empire was weak at the time due to the College of Cardinals being busy electing a new Pope in Rome, with the current Holy Roman Emperor, Frederick II, camped outside the walls of Rome. If you are interested, feel free to sign up and we'll get the ball rolling soon hopefully.
It's fine, we all have off-wiki responsibilities and committments. Glad to have you interested.
With a different lyrics, could this be a good Communist (North) Japanese anthem
This is the former prefectural anthem for Karafuto. The only thing needed is to change the lyrics.
I would like to know your opinion.
Topic, Volhínian dictionary
Just to confirm the alternate history has not yet been completed yet with a timeline so its still in the works, only been created a few days ago so it would be appreciated if you don't delete my works before the rest of related pages are complete.
I'm sorry but you don't have the right to rename pages you are just a talk moderator and not a senior administrator. I think you should consult fellow admin before you start playing God.
I think your Philippines and Moroland is somewhat implausible. Firstly, Mindanao has more than 3 million people. Secondly, the muslim majority is limited to ARMM. Thirdly, Spanish is not the official language of the Philippines and malay isn't the official language of Mindanao. Zamboanga is spelled with a "Z". Sorry if I sounded blunt, but I am kind of offended cause I am from the Philippines. Candiesrgood (talk) 13:54, July 22, 2015 (UTC)
Google Translate says this is Chinese - not Japanese.
There is even the older form - Peking - as in the food Peking Duck.
In Esperanto the city is known as Pekingo, IIRC.
Why did you revert my corrections?
I'll go back and check it again.
Re:Question on Patel
Stooge hi! It has been a looooong while and I have been fairly (read: very) busy man. How are you and the TL. If you are still wondering on the question, the biggest change I could see would be the Kashmir issue would either not exist or not be much of a problem as Nehru was responsible for taking it to the UN. I could also see a stronger military being implemented (a significant change tho perhaps not overly so) and slightly less socialist policies - definitely more small-business supporting laws.
Bothered my time? What rubbish FS. I enjoy our convos man, so not really bothering me. ;)
Tell me about it. Last year of school (tho its called college in India surprisingly) and boy have things been stressful, Getting into Uni and making an application becomes like no.1 priority. Yeah, I burned out twice in the past six months, mainly in the last two months hahaha.
The TL looks to be progressing nicely. Slow progression could mean good progression I would say. And no problem about Patel, I mean I'm currently in India so a question about the country had to be answered! Oh it would definitely be interesting, but I would keep in mind although socialist presence would be no where near as strong - it would not die out. I would have a look at the liberalisation of the Indian economy in 1991 to see how positively it has benefit the country (imagine even half the effect - in the 50s!).
Should've replied earlier but man I get distracted easy haha.
I'll be heading off to uni by the end of 2016 so now I know to expect multiple burnouts ^.^ Aw damn man, but as long as you have even a couple close friends you trust with stuff then its manageable. Haha yea this wiki is great to come back to after life gets intense. Yea I would think the third year would be very intense but you gotta just keep going man. South
east Asian? Its common across all of South Asia I would say (and China, Korea and Japan) so I know that feeling hahaha.
That's awesome man, I look forward to answering more questions to the best of my knowledge!
Sorry to bother you, but I saw what you said on FilipinoMan's talk page. I just want to add that Muslim Mindanao (Bangsamoro) does have a considerable Muslim minority, and the most likely region to adopt Malay or a Malay-based language as a lingua franca. However, the rest of the Philippines is a Hispanicised, partly Sinified society that has greatly grew apart from their Southern neighbours after years of foreign influence (initially from China and Brunei), and colonisation. For them, Tagalog is more likely to be adopted because of the heavy presence of Spanish loanwords. – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
Could you help me with a question? Would Imperial Japan allow a state become independent (albeit with a Japanese-dominated government, making it a de facto extension of Japanese will), or would it stay a territory (like a colony) of Imperial Japan? – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
Hi! So basically, it would play like something like this (it may sound slightly implausible but the main change in this timeline is that there was a greater Chinese presence and considerable East Asian immigration in the Philippines prior to contact with the Spanish).
- The state (centred in the Philippine archipelago) who I call Hani (get that reference?) is invaded by the Japanese under a Mukden Incident-like event while the European powers are distracted by the First World War.
- The colony is led by a fellow sympathiser (though he's ethnic Japanese) for about five years from that.
- He escapes to [insert viable country], and threatens to reveal the ruse of war to the international community unless given independence.
Would Japan allow at least de jure independence as a Japanese-dominated country or will it simply assassinate the sympathiser or what? Thanks for taking the time to answer my question! :v – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
A good song you might not know
Have you heard of the 4minute songs called "Hate" and "Cold Rain"? They're so good! They should deserve more views. And, for my project, did you get the pun? (the country's name is "Hani", a member of EXID). – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
Thanks for the deep answer, and also the two suggested songs! Tell me a question if you need to know anything about the Philippines
so I won't be some nonproductive scum. – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
OMG THAT GROUP DESERVES MORE VIEWS! – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
You made me listen to their songs until 2:30 am. Oh well, wouldn't mind a k-pop marathon :P – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
You don't seem to come to chat often, you should totally come see me since we're probably in the same time zone (when others are sleeping). – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
P.S – I forgot to congratulate on your the group's anniversary!
Hello, this is Candy, and I would like to say in Emancipation, Nlen, Oct, and Belial (an overobsessed Japanophile) harasses me because I stated the fact that in that mapgame, Korea is way more developed than Japan, a decade-long gap that is lenghtening every turn as Japan invests in pineapples while Korea pours all capital to modernisation projects. Korea has already adopted Western instituitions, and has partially Westernised, while Japan has not done any reforms and still has a rigid class structure. I have told them consistently that the pre-Meiji Japanese systems are incompatible with modernisation. Please educate them on the Gwangmu Reform and the Meiji Restoration as they do not take me seriously. – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
(and I loved the songs you gave me)
Whilst I do know the Gwangmu Reform correlates with the Meiji Restoration, but I forgot to add a couple key points.
- Korea was not the first to attempt modernisation and industrialisation, but rather, it followed the footsteps of Japan and China – both wanted to strengthen themselves against Western powers. Whilst Japan faced opposition (due to the unchanged rigid class structure) a few years onward, which stalled its reforms and led to it having a pre-Meiji institution until the late 1860s, China trying out modernisation would lead to Korea doing two things; 1, rejecting China as its "overlord", and 2, following Chinese reformist ideals due to the perception of Chinese ideological superiority. As showed by history, I think the latter is more likely.
- Japan allied with the British to try to supersede both Korea and China and to jointly-dominate the Asia–Pacific region. Though direct aid was somewhat limited due to British military involvement in other parts of the world, Japan was virtually a British puppet prior to the "Anglo–Japanese" split of the late 1860s. The promise to modernise Japan as the main Asian power and the dominance of a hostile power could be the impetus for Korean modernisation (since it specifically stated it would annex Korea in the Treaty of Edō).
I think the scenario will play out as like this. China initiates a reform (under the government of the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom, which is led by a self-proclaimed convert who says he is the second son of God), and becomes increasingly friendly with European powers in diplomatic and financial relations. Meanwhile, Japan, with British aid, also attempts implement reforms, and aims to colonise Korea in the future.
Heungson Daewogun, the regent and the main proponent of isolationism, will probably know of Japan's goal from Chinese diplomats. He will feel threatened by Japanese domination, but on the other end, he is also afraid of Westernisation and the destruction of the Korean heritage. I think he'll change his isolationist policy and make it to a more reformist policy. It will still probably be anti-Western due to the fact that he is an elitist and he'll feel threatened by the Western ideals of equality among classes, but I think he'll pursue a policy similar to Gwangmu Korea's. Aka, a Western "bowl" and Eastern insides.
– † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!") (I won't join Miracle because I am already an EXO-L/Sone)
So, would a revolt from the reformist, anti-Western yangban (which I assume could have a Western-educated youth) be plausible? The yangban would surely want to keep the social hierarchy, but if Korea is colonised, that hierarchy may be broken and their interests are not fulfilled. – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
Could you think up any ways Korea would try to modernise in the late 1860s/early 1870s? – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
Re:Solution for Korea
Does it have to be colonised directly by a foreign colonial power? Because Japan turned into somewhat of a semi-colonial (meaning it has de jure sovereignty, but it cannot decide its policies until it gets approval from another power – so Japan is effectively under British will) puppet state early in the game before the waning of the British a decade later. – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
So Japan under de facto British rule is still not a threat to Korea? Also, does it have to be the whole of a country, because parts of China (including China proper) were colonised. – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
Philippines (C, P, C)
The average Filipino has 14% Chinese blood and approximately 40% Spanish blood, so I think it would be unlikely that Filipinos (apart from the less assimilated poorer masses perhaps) would consider themselves Pacific Islanders and are even less likely to develop a pan-Malay irredentist movement. And I think replacing Tagalog with Malay as the island's lingua franca is unlikely because all Philippine languages have close affinities with the Tagalog language, and despite having subtle differences in vocabulary and tone, are at least partly mutually intelligible. That is the reason why many Filipinos are trilingual (historically Spanish but then later English + regional language + Tagalog); their regional language is already similar to Tagalog. – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
Just a little nitpick
This page says that Japanese and the Austronesian languages are grouped together under an "Austro–Japonic" language family. Well, in my honest opinion (not trying to sound douchey), such grouping or suggestion of a genetic link is implausible for a number of reasons.
Firstly, the syntax (order of placed words) is different. While the Austronesian languages have a verb-object-subject order, Japanese has the opposite; a subject-object-verb order. Second, there's virtually no lexical links (no cognates etc.) between Japanese and the Austronesian languages. The only cognates I could found are loanwords from foreign languages such as Chinese or English. Thirdly, the perceived similarities between Japanese and Austronesian phomemes (and the fact that they both have an average of five vowels) are probably only a result of geographic proximity or mere coincidence.
If anything, you should've grouped Korean and Japanese together as one group (as most linguists do agree that they do have some genetic links). They both share the same syntax, similar grammar, an important system of honorifics, and an agglutinative morphology. Proto–Korean and proto–Japanese have numerous cognates. – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!") [and by the way, do you know gfriend?]
Re:Re:Just a little nitpick
Cool. Wait, so, what happens with Korea? You mentioned that it was not going to be colonised by the Japanese, yet there's mention of some Japanese colonial administration stationed in Southern Korea (how I interpreted it). May you elaborate on this? Also, I noticed the population is a tad larger, does that mean there's extra Japanese settlers (
Momo will be living in Korea ~~<3) or due to other factors (e.x., lesser death rate during the early twentieeth century, earlier headstart) the Korean population has simply grown larger?
And also, what happens with the Philippines? Do the Japanese settle in the Philippines, or does it remain basically the same as it is OTL? – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
Interesting concept. I have a few more questions. So, is Korea formally united though just under two different spheres of influence (in a similar manner to China during the late Qing dynasty), or is it divided into two states? Also, if Korea is a protectorate of Japan, then Korea would have to give up its suzerainty (thereby becoming a part of Japan), and remaining only autonomous in internal affairs. Had you meant to say a protected state, a state that retains its control over all of it affairs while having a strong foreign military presence for protective measures?
Momo from Twice might live in Korea hehehe
Anyways, I had an idea for a holm (forgive me for stealing some of your terminology) for a project I am working on;
- Matthew C. Perry had landed in Busan in place of Japan, opening Korea to foreigners. Similar to real-life Japan and China, Korea will suffer from numerous unequal treaties as Europe exerts its influence and higher power status on it.
- In a similar way to the Meiji Restoration (except in Korea there were no daimyos or was it divided into multiple feudal states), a hypothetical yangban family ousts the Yi imperial household and gets rid the imperial court of any political dissent and Yi royalists. After it consodilates its rule, it initiates Westernisation and a modernisation program similar to what was implemented in the Meiji era.
- Meanwhile, Japan remains politically isolated until it is opened by Korea through gunboat diplomacy. While the unequal treaties imposed on Korea will start to fade away due to increasing world presence and legitimacy, it'll be the exact opposite for Japan, which will remain fractured into different warring feudal states as European powers secure access to Japan through backing different sides against each other.
- Korea will develop an interest in Japan to gain easier access to the West Pacific, as to harness Japan's agricultural goods (as Koreans begin to specialise in the industrial sector). In place of Korea, Russia will develop an interest in Japan, with interests clashing on the 38th parallel. On Korea's western borders, Korea will challenge the Chinese view of a sinocentric regional order. Both conflicts will end in a Russo–Korean war and a Sino–Korean war. The war with the Russians will end in the division of Japan in the 38th parallel and the acceptance of a Korean presence in East Asia. The war with the Chinese, however, will completely flip the balance of power and will see China offer territorial concessions (lookin' at you Dalian and Jiandao).
Do you think this is plausible? If not, could you tell me ways to make it plausible? Thanks! – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
Hello? Could you give me feedback for my holm idea above? :^)
like the smiley face would do any better :'c – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
Cherry, Plum, Chrysanthemum
May I ask how you got the timeline name, as I am struggling to find a proper one to fit my timeline. Also, I followed your advice, changing lots of things based on what might happen instead of simply reversing the roles of Korea and Japan. – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
Nevermind, I think the figured out the meaning behind your timeline's name (Cherry represents Korea, Plum represents China, and lastly, Chrysanthemum represents Japan). Anyways, is Gingko, Narra, Encina a good name? Gingko represents China, Encina represents Spain, and lastly, Narra represents the Philippines, where Chosen is mainly situated in. – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
The motto in the Philippines page implies that Bansa means "nation", which is untrue. Bayan is what you are looking for. Also, Oh My Girl's "Windy day was so good! It's my favourite song from them lol! – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
Thank you so much for messaging me. I would be absolutely honored to have you participate on this timeline. I look forward to hearing what you have in mind. ^_^ -- NuclearVacuum 01:59, July 26, 2016 (UTC)
Country = bansa
City/town = lungsod/barangay
People = tao
Nation = bayan
Hope that helps. Also, Filipino is not really a "mere extension of Tagalog" but rather some sort of pidgin Tagalog (but lacks accents) whose lexicon (especially nouns, adjectives and verbs) borrows extensively from English and Spanish. Also when writing Tagalog, there would be diacritics to show accents, where as to simplify the learning of Filipino they lack the use of accents altogether.
Námatày ang mga gurô sá paâralàn kasí masarap síla.
- Filipino (Tagalog with no accents and loanwords)
Namatay ang mga titser sa iskul kasi yummy sila.
- Taglish (Filipino with more English loanwords)
Na-die ang mga teacher sa school kasi yummy sila
- Englog (Filipino in English word order)
Ang teachers ay matay-ed sa school kasi sila ay yummi
Do you have any sources detailling on the sinicization of Korea, Japan, and Vietnam? It'll greatly help me in my personal project and see whether or not the full sinicization of Tondo (after a period of brief Ming rule) is feasible. – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
By the way, my fellow Once, did you see how successful "TT" was? It literally blew up in views, it's almost seventy million now–I'm so happy! But apparently Somi from I.O.I might join in after it disbands, but I think it'll ruin the vibe. ㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜ – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
Kpop's seem to be making a giant surge in followers, at least in the West. The popularity of Kpop is hard because Japan, Korea, and China the three "hotspots" for Kpop all use different sites. ㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜ – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
AHHHH, I love Oh My Girl (but I never really listened to "A-ing") and TWICE, this swap is heaven! It reminds me of the G-friend and TWICE collaboration program that I also really liked. By the way, you should stream TT, we need 100 million views by the end of the year (so we'll get three videos with 100 million views). – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
EoGuy Memorial Copy Writer Award
Name me Copy Editor Emeritus and take me out of the running.
That will give someone else a chance.
I've noticed you got rid of some information about Japanese involvement in Tondo, Hawaii, etc. for Cherry, Plum, Chrysanthemum. I just wanted to say that Japan IIRC did colonize a portion of the Philippines OTL (they established a trading post in Aparri, and maintained a loose sway over the chiefdoms of Cagayan Valley).
Also, one of the reasons Tondo fell so easily was because it was extremely weakened by the Bruneian Empire. Tondo is a mandala/kedatuan, similar to other neighbouring Southeast Asian polities, so only Tondo itself really mattered, when it fell control over Tondo's fringe provinces collapsed. Borneo established Kota Seludong (present-day Manila) and granted it to the nominal control of the House of Sulayman, which was founded by Prince Salila of Tondo's royal house, the House of Lakandula. Tondo was then vassalized, and all three polities became bound by a personal union. Other polities that were annexed into Brunei were Ma-i (which was sinicized), but I doubt it was as near advanced and centralized as Tondo was, but again, the Spanish burnt all local historical records due to their "pagan" status. Shrugs.
Anyways, what I'm saying, what if Tondo didn't fall to the Spanish in your TL? Like, what if Japan even more influence over it? What if instead of the Imjin War occurring, it fought with Tondo. IIRC, Japan also did has sights on the Spanish East Indies (it wanted to render it a tributary state, unsurprisingly people like wokou Lin Feng and Ming royalist Konxinga did same). – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
Tondo was subjugated by Majapahit pre-1365, and other polities like Pannai and Cebu by Sri Vijaya (IIRC, Pannai was founded by the Ten Bornean Datus, but that's disputed). Between 1365 and 1500, it seems that Tondo had an independent foreign policy and was free of any other suzerain power, monopolizing on regional trade via Haijin, placing Namayan under a personal union, allying with Brunei etc. Also, for future reference, Tondo used Lakan instead of "datu".
Anyways a sidenote, a Tondo seeking Portugese help would be interesting, since IIRC Japanese actually despised and conducted wokou raids on Tondoese settlements due to Chinese preferential treatment. While Tondo doesn't seem to have any spices, but is abundant in gold. Anyways good luck with CPC! – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
Another note, I have a TL (not on this site unfortunately) and I have an independent ATL Philippines (albeit under Chinese rule/rival dynasty following Qing takeover and the expulsion of many mainly-Fujianese Ming royalists, a sixth of the population would become Chinese), so how can I bolster its territorial legitimacy? Would said developments be enough? Keep in mind, ATL Tondo would win over Brunei, then embark on "modernization" (while keeping a decentralized Kedatuan-style government), before falling to Ming royalists eventually. I can fill in some details if you need to. – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
OK, FINAL NOTE. Do you have discord? – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
I'm having Ming royalists flee en-masse from 1640s to 1660s (a smaller wave in the 1680s), and there'd be a mounting "crisis" due to the inability to effectively assimilate them (given most arrivals will be disproportionately male, there'd probably be a lot of miscegenation, and especially when I'd have something "coming up" that's difficult to explain). Tondo would be preoccupied and weakened. Eventually, Koxinga would demand tribute and rule over it as a suzerain with the House of Lakandula retaining titles however (later fleeing there after Taiwan falls, and abolishing said house). Then later I'm having a coup from Maharlikas ousting the House of Zheng, but there would be political strife since they'd support different branches of the now-dissolved Lakandula. Then after that, (since migration would reach a critical mass) pro-Chinese nobility, some Ming royalists re-instate a "sinicized" branch of the Lakandula as the royal house and establish a rival dynasty. I just called said Chinese "Southern Han" dynasty because I named it Hani before I decided to make ti an althistory, but I really liked the name so I kept it. xD (don't worry I have a valid explanation below)
In order to "bolster" legitimacy, the dynasty begins to fuse 漢 (Han Chinese) and 華 ("civilized") into the pronounciation han, in order to state that the Qing aren't valid (since they are Manchu, of course). So basically now there's a new notion that to be "civilized" you'd have to be Han Chinese, and said dynasty is ruled by Han Chinese (ironically the general populace isn't, but over time virtually everyone would be like, a sixth Chinese). So Hani would just be foreign traders adding -i to it to simplify it, but I have this idea where Luçon (the Spanish/Portugese term) would be used until Hani would be standardized. – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
Well said. Again, it kinda just stemmed from the idea of a sinicized Philippines, and I wanted a relatively late POD. Yeah it's quite drastic change though, as you've said. Perhaps they can re-instate a descendant of the House of Zhu (though I understand by that point there was a lot of Ming pretenders) and establish a "continuation" of the Ming dynasty (although ironically they wouldn't control China proper). – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
Yes! Someone who noticed. Yeah originally, I chose it because I liked her name. Originally I had other names for it; Chosen, Hana, Rusa, but I settled with Hani (both I eventually had to come up with why it would be called that way when I shifted my concept). – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
Also, do you listen to Lovelyz? – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
I've gotten into TVXQ! (yeah, very old) recently. Y'know "Mirotic", "Rising Sun", etc. They're great, and younger Yunho looks HAWT. I have listened to Red Flavour though not that much, I really like listening to the underrated rookies like DIA, COSMIC GIRLS, and Oh My Girl (they're so good but they don't get the attention they deserve). I also like 9Muses (though they're not rookies), but it's side because they're always involved in feuds (bye Erin, Hyuna, Minha) and literally only Hyemi is left from the original lineup. I heard their entertainment company is also abusive :^(. – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
I really like "Secret" by Cosmic Girls, I like how they introduced Yeunjung (from IOI) but she took up a lot of the line distribution. Yeah, RN I'm listening to Cosmic Girls. – † ⌒⌒⌒＼(;ᄋ;＼)三(ﾉ>ᄉ<)ﾉ ~ ("니가먼저키스해!")
Well, maybe i will back to contribute, you're right, big problem for me is little can understand English, oh you're from Indonesia, good, please help me make project about Indonesia history if you want i will edit? I already make about kingdom and other about Indonesia, but because don't understand rules here, such as category poblem, timeline etc.
Yah, mungkin saya akan kembali berkontribusi, anda benar, masalah terbesar bagiku adalah sedikit bisa memahami bahasa Inggris. mohon bantu saya membuat proyek tentang sejarah Indonesia jika anda mau akan saya edit? Saya sudah membuat kerajaan dan lainya tentang Indonesia, tetapi karena tidak mengerti peraturan disini, seperti masalah kategori, garis waktu dll.
Yes thanks maybe this helps, of some basic rules you explained only number 6 namely spamming because i working it based fact and also source of wikipedia.
Wow it seems you like linguistic, i also like linguistic for Southeast Asia especially Indonesia, Indonesia with tribes diversity also ethnic and culture, i think Indonesia has local language with more than 700 language, it can be include and shared in wikia but maybe only a few, some script or writing it such as : Pallava, Kawi and local language (Javanese, Sundanese, Balinese, Batak, Buginese etc, as well as in Borneo with Iban, Sulawesi besides Buginese Lontara also found old scripts like Hieroglyph and also some Arabic). It to revive back indonesia or Nusantara with writing culture make Indonesia have civilization of writing culture.
I don't know, maybe i will think again if later will contribute to create article.
Thanks for the notice, I know that translation but in this universe there is no Indonesian as there is no Dutch East Indies so Indonesian as a standardised version of Malay does not exist so I've been using the Javanese translation from form gf from Purwokerto but maybe its rusty, maybe you're right, let me know, other than that, Indonesia Raya!
All I do is correct spelling and grammar on about a dozen wikis.
Hey FirstStooge! I’ve been looking at your timeline: Cherry, Plum, and Chrysanthemum, and I absolutely love it! Just wanted to tell you keep up the good work! I find a republican japan to be an interesting idea, and a Mongol conquest of the archipelago to be even more interesting and cool idea!
Keep up the good work! Cybermats, created by the Cybermen, they kill by feeding off Brainwaves 13:16, June 16, 2018 (UTC)
Japanese Language in CPC
Hey Stooge! I was looking as your japan article for Cherry, Plum, and Chrystanthium, and I noticed the word for “japan” was different from OTL, it is called “Wakanu” (or something like that), instead of “Nippon”, so I’m wondering how the Japanese language has changed over time since the mongol invasions. Cybermats, created by the Cybermen, they kill by feeding off Brainwaves 15:23, October 14, 2018 (UTC)
wow, very interesting! sorry for the late response. You have obviously done a lot of research into japanese languistic history.
Cybermats, created by the Cybermen, they kill by feeding off Brainwaves 22:44, October 27, 2018 (UTC)
so how to contact nuke? i dont know how to make timeline
Sorry to bother you, but I was hoping you'd be able to give some advice/ideas related to Indonesia in the Russian America timeline (in particular, Kalimantan).
ITTL, Japan would be an ally during World War II, while China is part of the Axis. I believe China would be more of a land-based empire (as opposed to a sea-based one, like Japan), meaning the Chinese would't be able to invade and occupy southeastern Asia beyond Sumatra and Java (though they'd still attack and disrupt the whole area).
Because of this (among other reasons), Indonesian nationalism is only able to solidify in Sumatra and Java, while the Dutch are able to regain (nominal) control over the Great East and New Guinea. All of Borneo (Kalimantan) would also remain unoccupied. Aside from the British-dominated north, I've been debating what should become of the south. Would the Dutch still control it? Would the people demand incorporation into Indonesia? Would it be partitioned?
Because you are from Kalimantan, I've was hoping you'd be able to give some advice and ideas related to this. Any bit of information would be appreciated.
- Wow! Thank you so much for the insight. They have really helped.
- From you have suggested, I'm currently leaning on an independent Kalimantan state being established by the 1950s. Due to the princely states, perhaps an elective monarchy could be established (modeled after Malaysia), with the Sultanate being reestablished to appease the Banjar. Parindra could develop into a governing party, perhaps going as far to move Kalimantan into closer ties with the Empire of Japan.
- This is just a WIP, I still wish to do more reading with the information you've provided. I can't thank you enough, I'm going to be reading for days. ^_^
- I loved reading about your grandparents, including that your grandfather was a veteran of the Revolution. Also, Happy Ramadan. Hope you and your family are doing well. -- NuclearVacuum 04:05, June 5, 2019 (UTC)
RE:Korea in RA
Thank you for reminding me.
I did see your discussion when it was posted. I do intend to reply, I've just been really busy as of late. I will reply to it ASAP.
My appreciation. I want to also thanks to you for indirectly advise me (via NuclearVaccum) on your talk, too. I hope one day I can help you something.
I need some advice for the Soviet Union (Brotherhood and Unity!), well, since it is the 2nd largest economy, should it have a 2nd Cold War with China (it/CCCP is a democracy)? Or a thaw instead? Thank you very much1234chernobyl (talk) 14:57, November 16, 2019 (UTC)
Deng. Because Hu was a mentor to Zhao, and Hu was a Deng's protege, so when Hu died, he will become General Secretary. If Zhao had Deng support, then the PLA will support him because Deng (de jure) hold the position of Chairman of Central Military Commision.1234chernobyl (talk) 13:58, November 17, 2019 (UTC)
Fix for you a little bit. Jiang is the Shanghai one. Zhao could appointed him as PM as a pragmatic, technocrat person. With good negotiation and hard-line policies, Jiang can keep the PFRC united. However, this Jiang should be more humane.1234chernobyl (talk) 23:14, November 17, 2019 (UTC)
My 2nd mentor, I found an alternative. Rather than Jiang, I could take Zhu Rongji. He's more moderate and more humane than Jiang. Besides, he's an economical liberal and a little bit social conservative. What do you think?1234chernobyl (talk) 09:31, November 18, 2019 (UTC)
Comrade. With the USSR survive, and Gorbachev, Shevardnadze and Yulia Tymoshenko into power. As Tymoshenko lose election in 2014, who should come into power? Putin? Kudrin? Nemtsov? Sobchak? Zhrinovsky? As usual, thanks for the reply.1234chernobyl (talk) 14:33, November 22, 2019 (UTC)
I also think that Nauseda couldn't fullfilled his promise to the people, so he lost the election. So, should I think of a another President of the USSR? A Mongolian (President of Mongolia), a Russian head of security service (Putin, Patrushev, Naryshkin, Bortnikov) or Medvedev? What do you think?
Re: CASAR President
Well, I found that those are the old guys. Nazarbayev, Rahmonov, and even Tokayev are old. So, I think some CSR (Cacausian Soviet Republic) guys would be ok. CASAR stands for = Central Asia Soviet Autonomous Republic btw.
Tokayev is better. Nazarbayev can be PM. TASSR (don't forget R). Well 10 years of autocrat can make USSR to be no.1 (disputed) economy. So should I designed a full TASSRer's cabinet?1234chernobyl (talk) 08:17, December 7, 2019 (UTC)
Maybe Dariga Nazarbayeva is better. She's somehow autocrat like her father, but very young (comparing to others), at the age of 56. I think she would be PM instead of her father. Regards.1234chernobyl (talk) 10:17, December 7, 2019 (UTC)
The thing that I accept your plan as a Central Asian, but I don't want to step on Brezhnev's mistake on gentenocracy. So Nazarbayev (father) will somehow looks like USSR's Lee Quan Yew. Alright?
Well, I have two things to ask. First, should I make United States of North America (USA + Canada), and second, can I have permission to change the USSR map in Cherry, Plum and C? Please reply me afterwards. Thank you indeed.1234chernobyl (talk) 15:27, December 11, 2019 (UTC)
Well, since Mishustin came to the position of Chairman of Cabinet of Ministers to replaced Medvedev, is he influential or just like a Putin-taxman-puppet (like Fradkov). And since I decided that my ATL to have a new PM, should Mishutin a viable candidate?1234chernobyl (talk) 13:59, January 20, 2020 (UTC)
so, about the name "Việt Nam Dân Quốc", it would be Vietnamese People's State or Vietnamese State (Quốc/quốc gia = State, dân = people). While Republic of Vietnam was translated as Việt Nam Cộng Hòa.1234chernobyl (talk) 13:57, May 16, 2020 (UTC)
Also, this is my IMO about Romania. About the General Secretary leadership, Valentin Ceausescu was not that fit. Instead, Nicu Ceausescu could be more ok. He's a member of the CPEx (Politburo) of Romanian Communist Party, a leader of Communist Youth (which his father did). However, he still need "regents" like Secretary for Economic Affairs Stefan Andrei or Vice President Manea Manescu. Emil Bobu could be another one who going to lead them. Valentin had no interested in politics. 1234chernobyl (talk) 15:18, May 16, 2020 (UTC)
Personally myself, I somehow wanted Schabowski into someone influential figure in Central Europe in my ATL. Is he a actual reformist, or a oppoturnist like George the Apostle (Gheorghe Apostol)1234chernobyl (talk) 15:12, May 19, 2020 (UTC)
Well, I want to ask a question: What if Sergei Kostrikov came to power?
I know Kostrikov, 1st Secretary of Leningrad Communist Party, was assasinated probably because of 2 votes of Central Committee of 17th congress supported him. But what if him and technocrats (such as Gosplan head, Voznesensky or Kosygin, PM of RFSFR) became troika in early 1953? 1234chernobyl (talk) 14:57, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
So, well, I found an interesting old man. Janos Fazekas. He was deputy head of government during Ceausescu era. A gentleman seems to be a moderate dissident. Will he compared to other gentlemen like Pirvulescu or sth?1234chernobyl (talk) 12:29, May 24, 2020 (UTC)
Well, since giving message on here would be a little bit of disturbing for you and me. So I ask if you have any type of social media. I have a Facebook account. Maybe we can talk directly together at there. Thanks for answering ^_^1234chernobyl (talk) 14:11, May 30, 2020 (UTC)
Sorry for disturbing, so well, as I have interested in Romanian history, which character should I read about? Gheorghiu-Dej? Lil' Ceausescu and his wife (same height as me, about 1.68m)? Apostol? Brucan? Iliescu? Michael? Carol I? ... Well, can you give me some example?
Well, here are some of my questions:
- Politically, will Petru Groza (our favourite Romanian Rakosi but with hair) become a independent communist if the Russian Empire won WW1 (with Social-Revolutionaries, Conservative, Liberal-Democrat coalition and Nikolai II is not so powerful)? Will he just become a priest after retirement?
- If Russian won WW1, will Japan become a Republic? Does Witte or Chernov interested in occuping Honshu Islands?
- Is there any potential rise for Facism if the Versailies and Trianon Treaty was more lenient?
- Young 1940s Politburo members such as Kosygin, Voznesensky, LTGEN Kuznetsov (LTGEN to differentiate from Admiral) will have a chance to join the Government of New Empire? If did, what political party will they in what what cabinet position fits them the most?
Well, here's my another suggestion.
- Nguyen Phu Trong, as you and I know, President-General Secretary of Vietnam. In OTL, he was Mayor of Hanoi (via the position of First Secretary of Hanoi CP, which instantly make him/you become a Politburo member). He has visited to US, which made him somehow looklike a conservative-moderate (a ideological purified person but somehow has a little bit of pragmatism). In TTL, he would be in Socialist Party (Đảng Xã hội Việt Nam, which you shouldn't confused with a party with the same name in DRV).
- If he doesn't fit with Imperial Vietnam, I would suggest for Tran Xuan Bach (Ideological Secretary of CPV in 1986-1990), a nearly democratic socialist for PM in 1985-1995. In OTL, he was pro-Gorbachev, to an extent that even more radical than Linh (moderate reformist) or Kiet (liberal economically).
You have any ideas for Vietnam? Thanks for reading.
Here's my opinion about Vietnam Army-Political Commander: We must divided into 2 group: The North and the South
- The North or Communist: I would nominate General of the Army Le Duc Anh and Colonel General Le Kha Phieu. Both are experienced army commanders, one had been former Minister of Defence, one had been Chief of the Political Office/Department (1st ranked commissar in VPA). However, I will remind you that both of them are too purified (meaning conservative), not willing to reform to fully market economy, unlike PM Vo Van Kiet.
- The South or anti-Communist (this one harder to find): it could be General Duong Van Minh, a probably ok person (as a Vietnamese student, I don't found him to be trustworthy since after Liberation Day he had been collaborated with Communist). A man who had thrust for power, he would later try to negotiate for the Communists in order to avoid bloodbath.
I would not fully supported an army commander as a leader since Vietnam is not South Korea (there's must be a transitional period to democracy, which was about 30-45 years btw in order to make Vietnamese people rich and discipline). Most of the Generals in VPA and also ARVN didn't have that much influence.1234chernobyl (talk) 09:40, June 13, 2020 (UTC)
CIA Agent Phan?
Here my translation of a Communist Party of Vietnam conclusion of investigation of Prime Minister-designate and Second Secretary Phan:
"Although there is no evidence that Nguyen Ha Phan was the spy for the CIA/Republic for Vietnam; but what he informed were strongly affected our party, and any inteligence officers he trained were being informed by him and after that being killed."
Some Vietnamese that the students didn't talk about
- About Đổng, Major General (Mayor Jenderal for your language and Thiếu tướng for my language) of ARVN (Quân lực Việt Nam Cộng hòa), he also not only learned from the French, but also from South Korea too (OTL). In my opinion, with an united Korea like this, he could either learn from other countries like the United States, ...
- Another conscript in the French army would led me think considerably, OTL General of the Army Lê Trọng Tấn (if not been probably murdered he would be Minister of Defense). He was conscripted in the French army and left with a rank of corporal. I know that was a low rank but I would think in ATL, with a longer term of services, he would be with Đổng.
- About Tạ Thu Thâu, OTL Vietnam's Stefan Foris (who also was murdered by CPV/Viet Minh), he would still be in clash with Ho Chi Minh like OTL. However, either he was demoted or win in 1948 (Ho Chi Minh will kinda look like Ana Pauker's men version or a Gheorghiu-Dej loser version if he lost)1234chernobyl (talk) 13:54, June 16, 2020 (UTC)
fix: Foris was killed by Romanian, not by Vietnamese lol (but by their own commie organization)
Well, thanks for your answer (sorry for late reply in 3 days)
And also the 2nd thing, I would like to translate an article of your current developing alternate timeline (Cherry, Plum and Chrysanthemum) (In Vietnamese it would be Anh đào, Mận và Hoa cúc) into Vietnamese. Since you somehow can be conversational at (and also can write) Vietnamese, I guess, I hope you will edit some wrong key words for me (I would be translate for you in 20th July, maybe)
Here's the Vietnamese translation for the letter:
Vâng, em rất cảm ơn anh vì đã trả lời câu hỏi của em (em xin lỗi vì đã trả lời muộn 3 ngày)
Và điều thứ hai là em rất muốn dịch một bài liên quan đến dã sử mà anh đang viết. Theo em thì anh cũng nói và viết Tiếng Việt tốt nên hy vọng anh có thể sẽ sửa một số lỗi sai cho em (em có thể dịch được vào ngày 20/7).1234chernobyl (talk) 15:17, June 23, 2020 (UTC)
Only send files for you, personally
And also I just test if we can make an althistory (other language) with more popularity since it would be in our/their native language, it is easier to read
Well, here's my questions about Vietnam.
It's 2020, and only a year before the 13th National Party Congress, who would you think become the General Secretary, State Chairman, Parliament Chairwoman (might be again) and Prime Minister? And what are their equivalent position in Cherry, Plum and Chrysanthemum timeline? (Trọng wouldn't be General Secretary/Leader anymore, since he had made two terms. But there's a chance of him to become reelected Gensek, but a smaller probability, I guess)
P/S: Second question: How's Vietnam (YTL/TTL) become a democracy. Will Japanese specialist helped Vietnamese's working class to become more disciplined?
- Well, Vu Duc Dam, the Deputy Prime Minister for Social, Educational, Sports, Tourism and Health, is popular in Vietnam at the moment for his actions against Covid-19. However, he is not a Politburo member for 10 years now, so I think he can't be in the 18-people collective leadership in next congress. Yes, he spoke fluent English in UN. When I was younger, I thought he gonna be the PM, but I was wrong.
- For these specialist, both of them: government and industrial experts.
Thanks a lot because since ASEAN, Japan invested Vietnam in 1990s, the economy improved a lot (OTL). Now with the reformative USSR and strong Japan, it would make Vietnam an ATL Singapore (I also think that Indonesia itself will be invested a lot more since the population is pretty high, and it has a vast of labour forces)
P/S: How can Vietnam control birth rate in ATL? (My male friends/classmates love to tell about abortion XD)
Some important Vietnam's unmentioned political dignitaries
Alright, here's a partial list from 1950s:
- Hoang Van Hoan, 1st Deputy Chairman of the Parliament - for pro-Chinese (at the same time COLGEN Chu Van Tan resigned) (4th Party Congress)
- To Huu, 1st Dep. Prime Minister - Conservative and destroying the economy (removed in 6th Party Congress)
- Pham Hung, Prime Minister - could be extremely reformative compare to Do Muoi, Le Duc Anh (died unexpectedly, I suspected his death)
- Dao Duy Tung, 2nd Secretary - for too conservative, and also a compromise between the reformers and conservatives.
- Tran Xuan Bach, Secretary for Ideological and Propaganda - pro-Gorbachev (removed in 1990)
- Nguyen Ha Phan, 2nd Secretary, official reasons: as an informer to RVN, could be too reformative.
- Ho Duc Viet, Organizational Secretary - ?
- Dinh La Thang, 1st Secretary of Ho Chi Minh City Communist Party - could be a political struggle.
I don't know if any of them will have influential in ATL Vietnam, but it seems that with a democracy and middle-class society Vietnam, some reformers will thrive.1234chernobyl (talk) 11:54, July 2, 2020 (UTC)
I will try to reexplain why Vu Duc Dam couldn't be Prime Minister or a Politburo member. First, his position, Deputy Prime Minister for Sports, Education, Culture, Tourism and Social Policy is the 4th or 5th rank of Deputy Prime Minister, which I assured that you won't be a Politburo member. You can only be a Central Committee member instead. Second, he is not influential in Communist Party factions, he's just a technocrat.
Three Deputy Prime Ministers' position with an assurance of Politburo memberships are:
- 1st Deputy Prime Minister (in charge of internal affairs together with Minister of Public Security)
- Deputy Prime Minister of Controlling the Economy
- Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs.
About Dinh La Thang, my father, who to an extent, an anti-communist person, said that he was the protege (Thang) of Nguyen Tan Dung, who wanted to be a Gensek but failed due to Trong's influence was higher. On the oligarch, he would be concentrate on oil industry if Vietnam and China had an agreement on sharing territrories on East Sea. However, if hardliners like Le Duc Anh became head of the government, he would be failed.
And the reason why all of us couldn't find any worthy information about Tạ Thu Thâu: He's a failure compare to Ho. The only way we can find it is to ask historians for that (which is impossible)1234chernobyl (talk) 22:13, July 3, 2020 (UTC)
Alright, so since you and I know some European communist leaders, so I want to concentrate on Czechoslovakia. So what's the difference between Alexander Dubcek, Lubomir Strougal, Gustav Husak, Milos Jakes, Ladislav Adamec, Vasil Bilak, Dragomir Kolder, Alois Indra, etc.? What's the difference between their political view, specifically. Thanks for answering later. Sincerely, 1234chernobyl (talk) 14:45, July 9, 2020 (UTC)Hello, sorry to bother you. but I was wondering if you could give some advices/suggestions to my TL The Southeast Asian Way. I would like to ask you about Indonesia, were there any ways for the islands to escape colonialism? I highly doubt, but are there any scenarios for these nations to exist till the modern day? Thank you for reading this message FroopyZombie (talk) 10:20, July 11, 2020 (UTC)
Well, I read about KSC faction: there were two main factions:
- The Moderates: which led by Lubomir Strougal (PM of CSSR in 1971-1987)
- The Hardliners: which led by Husak (President of CSSR in 1975-89)
- The Liberal: which led by Alexander Dubcek (Chairman of the Federal Assembly)
Well, can we try to make those characters into different factions? Like Indra, Kolder, Vaclavik, Urbanec, Adamec, Calfa, Hoffman, Bilak, Colotka, Lenart, etc.? Thanks a lot.1234chernobyl (talk) 07:16, July 13, 2020 (UTC)
I try to make 2 pro-soviet cssr factions:
- Reformers: Husak (oppoturnist, since 1987), Strougal, Lenart, (Leader of StB)
- Conservatives: Bilak, Kolder, others
And who is the prime minister of Romania? Is he a nationalist member in OTL?
P/S: The only reformer I could find is Corneliu Manescu.
Feel free to answer later
Thanks a lot
Well, thanks a lot because since I don't concentrate much on Czech or Slovak's political behaviours (like Czechs are more conservative than Slovaks), and about that exception: Bilak is a Russian/Ukrainian (I don't like this guy from outside to inside. Outside he's looklike a Nicolae Ceausescu but a smaller head, inside he's looklike a Nicolae Ceausescu. At least he is saner.). And reformist party members not just Iliescu. But Manescu (Corneliu, not Manea), Apostol (less-likely, but somehow in order to go against Ceausescu), etc. are also reformist. ^_^ 1234chernobyl (talk) 15:54, July 19, 2020 (UTC)
You know, it reminds me my dad's friend. He's working BBC's Vietnamese department. He was some how a radical anti-government (I don't say anti-communist because the youth just ignore that and concentrated to meme instead) person, so he usually use strong words against the government (obviously). He's fanatically of course. When my dad talked to him, here's how I try to describe:
- My dad: Umm, maybe the government isn't that bad. Although there are some flaws, but at least it gave us chance to be rich.
- That friend: YOU ARE A TRAITOR! **** OFF!
That's symbol of radicalism is too much for me. You are right, pragmatism is not just an ideology, it's life. Never try to be a radical, it costs you everything.1234chernobyl (talk) 05:08, July 20, 2020 (UTC)
Well, sorry, but another question for you. Is Ion Gheorghe Maurer an S.O.B who support Ceausescu in exchange for his position as PM? And what if he became the leader instead? (They began to hate each other starting from silly little things like who hunted that bear in 1971 for example, to the bigger one like how should the economy work) 1234chernobyl (talk) 14:59, July 21, 2020 (UTC)