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- 22 Slow Your Roll Goldy
- 23 Iowa Confederacy
- 24 Indianian Colonies
- 25 North Sea Oil
- 26 GNW
- 27 Recreation page
- 28 Third Sicilian War
- 29 Great Nuclear War 7
- 30 Evansville
- 31 Amy Carter
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- 33 Re: Athabasca
- 34 Re:Doomsday
- 35 Kaliningrad and Orange Free State
- 36 Doomsday
- 37 Grammar mistakes
- 38 Re:Burma
- 39 Re:Vandal
- 40 1983: Doomsday revival
- 41 Bill Clinton
- 42 Re:DD
- 43 1983 Doomsday messages
- 44 Your Municipal States of the Pacific/State of Jefferson proposal
- 45 Messages
- 46 Santa Cruz
- 47 Re:Superior
- 48 1983 Doomsday
- 49 Re:Adoption
- 50 Jefferson
- 51 RE: Kentucky
- 52 Cascadia
Hi, Goldwind, welcome to the wiki. I see no reason why you could not give Courdersport a try. Just do as you did with Zambia. If you need any assistance, don't hesitate to ask. SouthWriter 03:14, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
Gold, that site is within the territory of State College. GR's map that he put up on the Pennsylvania page is incorrect. Lordganon 10:01, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
My mistake. I was looking at the North PA article only. That map is more or less correct but it had whited out all of the State College government's present claims. The outline in the middle was what I remembered from the original article about the government at State College. The later expansion escaped my attention. That being said, the Courdersport area development has not been developed, so an article on it would have to be tied to the North PA article as a sub-unit. It is therefore still possible to write the article, but it will have to be in collaboration with the editor(s) working on State College. SouthWriter 18:33, January 25, 2012 (UTC)
You seem to have some good ideas for Hetalia characters. Here is a website where you can post your characters: Hetalia Fan Characters Wiki.
It's open, free to edit, and its admins are well, um...better than some people we both know. Godfrey Raphael 12:37, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
LG is right- you really do need lots of work on that layout.
Sorry for my continued absense. I kept saying I would be more active and finish my articles, but never did. I actually plan on addressing them soon. In the meantime, I see your Zambia article is still stalled. I can certainly give you some advice on content if you wish, but your layout could use some work. If you want, I can go through and reorganize it to look more presentable. Then we can work on any content issues in order to finally get it graduated. Caeruleus (talk) 19:59, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
Congratulations! Zambia has been fully graduated! If you want, I can help you get your Malawi article oout of its stub status as well. Good work though! Caeruleus (talk) 17:31, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
I have read my warning around 8:30 and i now kown to will stop trying to earn the devopled nation Doomsday badge..Is ok if still try to earn the addicted badge, or should i stop try to make at least one edit per day..Goldwind1 (talk) 02:22, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
Virginia Glass Industry (1983; Doomsday)
Make it so Number One. Yank 14:29, August 27, 2013 (UTC)
I see no reason Ion Storm couldn't release an Anachronox spinoff in 2013, though if they are also devoting a lot of resources to Quantum Slide 3, then it might have to be delayed until the first half of 2014. You have to decide how big the studio is at this point if they're working on two major projects at once.
I did play Anachronox once... for about ten minutes at my cousin's house. In 2002 or so. While arguing with somebody. I'm afraid that this lack of experience with the series is one of the reasons I haven't been able to help out more. If you would like, I could either find the games somewhere for a low price or watch a Let's Play or something in order to get up to speed.
As for which of those two ideas I prefer, I like the first idea. It has a grander scale to it, you obviously have developed it more, and the setting seems ripe with potential.
That Dutch Colony (TGN)
Hey Goldwind. I'll just start off with a small point that next time you should add your suggesstion onto the talk[age of my sandbox rather than editing it. :P
But as for your idea, I am not really sure. I don't think the second part will happen but the first part is a possiblity which has started to force me to think about that possiblity. I will ask Chris about it, because it could help greaten Dutch Unity and as a result the south never breaks away to form Belgium! I am interested by the idea but I have kind of got the 1852 map for the region which sets the borders so I will need to look into it lol. :) Imp (Say Hi?!) 10:04, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
sureGoldwind1 (talk) 01:55, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
May I take over this page for you? I would like to improve the article. I enjoy writing articles about cities. I didn't see your previous post, so I would like permission to take control, since you seem busy. You can still edit it if you want, I would just be in charge of it. Daeseunglim (talk)
Sure you can adopted Goldwind1 (talk) 13:40, June 8, 2015 (UTC)
Largest Cities and Capital Cities
Great Nuclear War
Yes, actually, as far as the nukemap is concerned, South bend was unscathed. Nice place, but i've only been once... Anyways, if you want to write an article, knock yourself out. You can email me any further messages at email@example.com Therubbleoroursins (talk) 18:59, April 22, 2016 (UTC)
Also, you should read North OhioNorth Ohio.
I did not know that. Neat! I had Bowling Green as a large city because it was a repository for Refugees. The Gov't of North Ohio would probably be open to integration, but the People are very mistrusting of Outsiders. And I'll probably retcon a contact with them at the veyr least. Therubbleoroursins (talk) 20:33, April 22, 2016 (UTC)
Man, you are awesome! Yes, actually there is a military company there (working name is Lothar Arms), and they produce some vehicles. Biofuel would definitely be of interest to them, ethanol propbably being the most likely (due to ease of production). They trade with the nordic countries (who currently maintain a stranglehold on oil sale because Norway installed a nordic-friendly regime in Shetland), so they have access to oil. You have been as saint, man. Gary and Hammond citizens would Probably flee tot he not so aptly named Michigan City. Fort Wayne was nuked. THere would probably be small settlements with loyalty to North Indiana. Therubbleoroursins (talk) 16:12, April 23, 2016 (UTC)
I am from Beavercreek which is a suburb of Dayton
I'm from Port Clinton, south of Toledo.
Here. User: Col. James Hsu 23/04/2016, 20:19 (UTC)
Hi! Long Time, No see!
Is it coincidental, or did activity on the Aroostook article get your attention? As a matter of fact, any help on updating the article will be nice. I'm guessing that you saw my updating the president and vice president. Sadly, I had to say goodbye to Samantha Smith. I don't know what to do with her now.
Again, good to see you still around. I will consider updating the economy section to include exports of some of the vegetables you mentioned. SouthWriter (talk) 00:29, May 27, 2016 (UTC)
The factory owner would likel convert to candles for increased profit. Bryan isn't within the Borders of Northern Ohio, and is most likely abandoned. Ceadar Point is an interesting story. I'm quite sure that it would be initially abandoned, lived on by squatters and illegals, but I think eventually it would re-open.
Lafeyette and Muniche would likely join Indiana on an official basis but be fairly lawless (at least initially). Evansville is way too far south. It would likely be independant, perhaps even part of a larger ensemble of cities along the Ohio and Wabash rivers. That could be interesting if you'd like me to play with that Idea, I'd be happy to. If there would ever be a reunion, Anderson would be the most likely candidate assuming it hadn't been destroyed by looters/raiders/fires/neglect. Therubbleoroursins (talk) 23:52, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
Cool, sounds good. South Bend would definitely be richer, with it's manufacturing industry. Evansville might even only be a City-State. I think I'll call it Evansville unless I think of something better. Therubbleoroursins (talk) 00:58, June 26, 2016 (UTC)
No one east of the rockies has heard of the USP. Corn Syrup is a possibilty. Ethanol is a possibility if the means of production were acquired from Northern Manufacturing. Therubbleoroursins (talk) 04:42, July 3, 2016 (UTC) No I mean literally the machines to make it. The literal machines; not the process. Therubbleoroursins (talk) 16:30, July 3, 2016 (UTC)
The Jackson Family
That's a pretty awesome idea! I think that's definitely plausible. Therubbleoroursins (talk) 20:39, June 26, 2016 (UTC) Therubbleoroursins (talk) 20:39, June 26, 2016 (UTC) Therubbleoroursins (talk) 20:39, June 26, 2016 (UTC)
A) What is a Tenchoary?
B) Sounds cool, we can definitely spitball on that. Email me at firstname.lastname@example.org, and we can hash out the details.
Me and Brick have actually shot some ideas around for this one. Our idea is a country called Green Bay, although it controls most of former Wisconsin. They are an important state economically, as they provide the largest beef market in the GLRU. The "cows" they herd are actually a domestic breed of buffalo, whom are kept because they do better in lean times, are tastier, and nutritious, more so than normal beef. BTW, this Breed is called the Beefalo. Therubbleoroursins (talk) 03:47, July 23, 2016 (UTC)
current year is 2016 now. If you wish to stay up to date on what is going on, you can join our facebook group (you'd have to give me you name via email) email@example.com Therubbleoroursins (talk) 18:35, August 16, 2016 (UTC)
No Third Faction
Jimmy Carter would've died in the Battle for Atlanta. If there was a faction that supported neither side (KKK or BA) it would be wiped out fairly quickly due to neither side wanting them around.
Republic of Indiana needs a NationInfo template.
If Iowa were to be a new state it would likely be a loosely bound confederation rather thana strong federal republic due to isolated communities having to travel far to communicate, and prefering some amount of self-rule. If Des Moines does survive, it would be a shadow of it's former self, with most people relying on food pouring in from the farming towns outside Des Moines, with old infrastrucutre failing or outright being recycled or re-purposed. All in all, Iowa (in my imagination) would be akin to a (Non-tyrranical) Monroe Republic, or Georgia Federation (Minus steam tech) from Revolution. Alot of water would be diverted from the Missouri, Mississippi, and major lakes via aqueduct-like structures ( the enclosed pipes of stone, not the big open top ones). It could be very intersting. Therubbleoroursins (talk) 16:40, August 28, 2016 (UTC)\
I propose this as the flag for Iowa: The tan represents theri fields, and the blue squiigles the two major rivers. The X connecting the two rivers represent the life-giving aqueducts, and the red white and blue comes from the old flag of Iowa and the USA Therubbleoroursins (talk) 19:02, August 28, 2016 (UTC)
I still argue that there would be no third faction. Jinny would be viewed as an upstart almost everywhere, and where he would be taken seriously, no one would want to side with him for fear of their nation being wiped away by the Klan or Army. Therubbleoroursins (talk) 18:48, August 28, 2016 (UTC)
I dont think any cities would be nuked, but there are thousands of missile silos in the great plains which would be targets, but the problem is I cant find like a map of where they'd be. I'd say pick twenty or so open fields and call em nuked. Des Moines Cedar Rapids Sioux City Iowa City would all be initially abandoned, but could be re-colon ized later after new infrastructure is built, namely aqueducts and new supply routes. Therubbleoroursins (talk) 03:10, August 29, 2016 (UTC)
Thats a solid argument for davenport being nuked. Im a little confused as to what you mean in that middle bit. THose companies would prolly collapse, but their equipment might be bought as liquidation, and Pioneer's seeds could be used to feed what Des Moiners have re-colonized or not left in the first place. Therubbleoroursins (talk) 00:37, August 30, 2016 (UTC)
Yes most of Iowa and the midwest in general would be hit with EMP. GLRU is an economic union which helps establish trade laws in it's member nations, but is not very political. I've been planning on working with Illinois after I'm done with Michigan. Illinois is a Dark Zone. Therubbleoroursins (talk) 01:47, August 30, 2016 (UTC)
A dark zone just means the electricity is completely knocked out and is somewhat isolated. Lemme work on some basic concepts and then we'll talk more. Therubbleoroursins (talk) 02:23, August 30, 2016 (UTC)
Slow Your Roll Goldy
Panama is broked.
That invasion is what triggered teh Nuclear War
WIF fixes the Canal w/help from Brazil.
Indiana would have a bad time trying to colonize those areas. They are full of hostile tribals, and Indianians do not have the advantage the europeans did over tribals, namely their low pop due to euro plagues. So, a small colony against the full might of tribals who don't appreciate them settling on their land. In addition, southern Illinois is controlled by a theocracy led by the Scientologist Church. You can write about attempts, but they would be unsuccesful. Therubbleoroursins (talk) 04:29, September 24, 2016 (UTC)
North Sea Oil
hey gold wind i love the superior republic and make the section of toledo merged into the republic of superior
I see that you posted a message in the recreation page. The games I was talking in the page are not electronic, they're like that traditional ones like pinball... I'm didn't have the intention to steal your ideas, I made that topic to be a kind of resume (in fact, I didn't even know that there was a page about arcades in the 1983: DD.
I will be adding a: See more in Arcade Games above the topic for the readers to see a full history of the arcades in 1983: DD.
Third Sicilian War
Hi, for the Third Sicilian i need think what the Italian states (Genoa, Tuscany, New Rome and Venice) want or wanna from Sicily, or also even from the Alpine Confederation. And we need think about the fate of Sardinia, how much territory they will lost and how much the Greek will take from the Sicilian Territory.
I think the CESS (That authority who wanna established a democratic state in Southern Italy) can build or established a republic there is a ulcaimed territory and if there is any large revolts or a revolution.
I think with this war is possible ended the domination of Cosa Nostra over Sicily and over the "Mezzogiorno" if a revolution happend. And we need dedice if the Peninsula will be reunited under a united Italian Republic or divided info various state like it was before the 1860, why Italy is still a powerfull country for his position, population (About 22 - 25 k by my calculate) and a still good economy. Col. James Hsu 29/12/2016
Great Nuclear War 7
We are currently in talks about India on the Facebook page, which I strongly urge you to join. India experiences some collapse, with various ethnic groups becoming independant nations, such as the Sikhs of Punjab, the Tamils, Bengali, and others. We still have things to discuss about it, so again. Join the facebook group please.
Harper's Ferry could certainly become an Insular State, though they would likely be reliant on trade in order to maintian any advanced equipment they have. Also keep in mind that it is very very close to Mount Weather and the Iron Hills.
Yes, Weather Republic is obsolete, but Mount Weather is still an existing faction. For the most part, they keep to themselves, but theyhave a certain zone of control that is largely considered taboo. any attempts to settle this area have been met with deadly force, and superstitious locals call the assaults the work of "Thunder Ghosts"
In addition, we are currently discussing Iran. One the facebook page. Which I strongly reccomend you join if you would like to participate in Great Nuclear War.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/265558697169828/ this should work ( i hope)
They might be able to build muskets, but they would rely on Trade with the Iron Hills to procure iron and steel. That all sounds good, though take consideration as to how they manage immigration so as not to get swamoed with migrants.
hey goldwind im a fan of this timeline i propose changes that start to rebuild detroit once again because of good relations with superior and update the map make those teal counties as red counties and new counties teal which is the white ones ok
Thank you for revisiting the Neonotia site, Goldwind. I suppose that there should have been an election last year. Thanks for the suggested update.
However, I don't think Amy would have been an activist in this time line. I have her becoming a school teacher specializing in young childhood development. Her father coming out of retirement to be the founder of the new nation is mostly an accident of the times.
However, I will look over the site and see what updates can be made.
SouthWriter (talk) 22:47, April 28, 2017 (UTC)
UPDATE: I decided to update by looking for possible opponents to Lt. Gov. Harrell. As it turned out, the first one I checked was a football player, James Butler, from Harrell's hometown. It worked out that he would graduate high school while Barkley was still working as chief of staff for the governor. When Barkley went back to get his degree, he would assist coaching Butler. Later, Butler would intern in Barkley's administration. As it so happens, Amy Carter fits nicely, having served as Barkley's Secretary of Education! And so, Amy became decided to run for Lt. Governor with Butler, who she helped get elected. SouthWriter (talk) 04:13, April 29, 2017 (UTC)
- I have nothing to do with the Doomsday timeline. Wrong person. -- NuclearVacuum 02:32, January 17, 2018 (UTC)
The Athabasca (1983: Doomsday) page is not my project. I've contributed to it as I live in the area in real life and can contribute details about the region. I would say edit the article at your discretion but you may have your edits reverted if they don't fit within the lore of 1983: Doomsday as a whole or simply Athabasca on it's own.
I have absolutely nothing to do with the timeline, nor am I aware of any user who is (or can help you). My only role (as site admin) is to prevent unauthorized edits. I removed it because you were not given permission to do so. -- NuclearVacuum 03:00, February 17, 2018 (UTC)
Kaliningrad and Orange Free State
Thank you for dropping by to leave your thoughts as I appreaciate any feedback. Kaliningrad was originally created by User:Colgan dog but he allowed me to adopt it. At first, I doubted that Kaliningrad would survive a nuclear war. Considering that Kaliningrad (a city that in my personal opinion was stolen from Germany) was and still is the home port of the Soviet and Russian Baltic Fleet, I knew that it would have been a target in a nuclear war. However, I thought that the city could have a chance for survival if the missile that was meant to destroy it simply malfunctioned. I highly doubt that every target would be destroyed in a nuclear war, and I thought (and still think so) that Colgan had a really cool idea of a missile failing to detonate at it's target. Maybe it's me, but I like the idea of an unusal miracle.
As for the Orange Free State, I highly doubt that it would reform its racial policies. If anything, race relations would be worsened. The blacks of Azania are already hateful towards white over Apartheid and the Afrikaners would dipise Azania for the racist atrocities. If anything, I'd expect that the two states would have a racial population transfer. Following an ethnic conflict, I would expect the infamous Terre'Blanche to be popular.DasBull$ (talk) 05:00, August 7, 2018 (UTC)
Next time, please leave your signature,
Do you own these articles?
No. It is just that the articles havn't been updated in a while.Goldwind1 (talk) 02:09, March 9, 2019 (UTC)
I just wanted to talk to you about something that's starting to bug me. You see, I'll be frank, I want to remind you politely to put more attention when you write new sections. And don't get me wrong there's nothing bad about adding new stuff, it's just that the rules of this wikia specify that all articles should be respectful of the english language rules. It's not complicated either: just read yourself many times, when unsure do some research and just try to read it out loud so you can see if it makes even some sense. I'm just tired of having to clean things up EACH time you edit a page. Can you do this for me please?
I didn't delete your article. It's located right here.
1983: Doomsday revival
Duke Devon has decided that Wyoming is part of federation called the Rocky Mountain States. You could do the page for the Rocky Mountain States. If you do the rocky mountain states you should probably let Duke Devon now your ideas. He may respond to your ideas quicker then me because he interested in someone new joining the timeline
Goldwind1 (talk) 19:06, May 7, 2019 (UTC)
Do you have any other form of communication? I also apologize for my mistakes, I'm the guy who edited Brazil on the timeline of "doomsday"
Whoops, sorry about that! I didn't see that article about Northwestern Arkansas before! Upon reading it, and your message, I'm going to take your advice and make Clinton the ambassador to Joplin instead of Fayetteville in the story. Thanks for letting me know! I like your second idea too! GryffindorKrypton (talk) 02:10, April 18, 2020 (UTC)GryffindorKrypton
I'm not an admin of the 1983:Doomsday timeline nor am I active enough to remember specifics of the timeline. I won't be of any help in regards to your questions. -- NuclearVacuum 02:44, April 19, 2020 (UTC)
1983 Doomsday messages
Hi! I saw you've left me messages about a few topics.
About the 1989 War timeline, sure I'd love to hear your ideas!
I agree with your assessment to update the identity of the President in the 1983DD United States article. I agree that by now, the Presidency would have switched to the Democrats. I like your suggestions for who this could be, but I think it'd be kinda cool for it to be the first female President. I'm thinking [Heitkamp] from North Dakota. Maybe Steve Bullock could be her VP? I also agree with your suggestion of perhaps making this new President take office after the 2016 election.
As for George W. Bush, there are a scant few mentions of him on the 1983DD timeline, but one of the ones I've seen, in the George HW Bush article, mentions that he went to Mexico after Doomsday and then went to Hawaii (and presumably Australia) with his fathermentions that he went to Mexico after Doomsday and then went to Hawaii (and presumably Australia) with his father. Then the Republic of West Texas article mentions that Bush apparently ended up back in Mexico by 2010Bush apparently ended up back in Mexico by 2010 and serves as Mexico's ambassador to the Republic of West Texas and does help found a TV station there, as you mentioned. I couldn't find any more pre-existing canon mentions of him other than those. So to abide by existing canon, I'm gonna try to find a way to bridge those events together and add some new material.
Your Municipal States of the Pacific/State of Jefferson proposal
Hello! I got your message and sure, I agree with your proposal. Question for you, since you've been here longer than me: do you have to bring the idea to the 1983: Doomsday Talk page first, before statehood happens? I don't know, you've been here longer than me so I'm asking you. Also, a small critique, I saw your paragraph on the birth of Jefferson in the MSP article, and maybe you could summarize the scandals by saying something like "a series of high profile scandals eroded public confidence in the Civic Rights Party." The details it gives right now seem a little over the top, so summarizing it as "a series of high profile scandals, including violent crimes and racism by the CRP leadership" or something like that might be a better way to phrase it.
Let me know what you think, and let me know whether you have to put the statehood idea on the Talk page first (again, I don't know). I can tell you that as the caretaker fo the USA page I personally agree with your proposal, though! GryffindorKrypton (talk) 15:50, May 6, 2020 (UTC)GryffindorKrypton
Okay, so I guess you could probably put something on the Talk page saying that as caretaker of the MSP page, you'd like for it to become the US state of Jefferson, and see if anyone objects. I'll make sure to add that as caretaker of the USA page, I accept your proposal. Also, what do you think of my advice about the paragraph? Maybe you could summarize the scandals by saying something like "a series of high profile scandals eroded public confidence in the Civic Rights Party." The details it gives right now seem a little over the top, so summarizing it as "a series of high profile scandals, including violent crimes and racism by the CRP leadership" or something like that might be a better way to phrase it. GryffindorKrypton (talk) 21:36, May 6, 2020 (UTC)GryffindorKrypton
Hey sorry I took a while to respond to your messages!
I love your idea for Billy Mays and I've started integrating him into the Atlantic City page. I haven't decided yet whether he's still alive or not (I'm leaning towards yes), but I definitely think he'd probably live longer than in real life, for the reasons you stated.
Columbia Missouri is a nice find, thanks! I was talking with Zack about combining the various MO city-states we own to form a renewed State of Missouri within the USA. Speaking of which, I definitely don't mind your adding Jefferson (the former MSP) as a US state. I think that the San Juan Islands would join by 2020, as well as probably Quad Cities. Zack and I were also talking about Oklahoma, the Kentucky Commonwealth, and possibly a reunified Arkansas joining the new USA by 2020 as well. I think Louisiana could join at some point too. I agree that eventually the vast majority of the American survivor communities would rejoin at some point. I think the USAR would definitely get statehood relatively soon, as the USA expands to include the Mississippi River and more coastline.
I don't really know enough about Korea to answer your questions for the other timeline though. I'm not familiar enough with the internal politics there, although your ideas do sound good!
Yes, you may adopt Santa Cruz!
I have finally got my Republic of Jefferson article graduated. I still want Jefferson to join the new United states. However If we have Jefferson join the union Sigma hero will strike it done. He is completely against having Jefferson join the new United states he just thinks that 2020 is two early for Jefferson to join the new union. He says that due to the pacific civil war that unity talks could not begin untill 2018. He also that he think it is not plausible for Jefferson to formizle a union with the new United states untill after the 2020 election. So I assume we will have to wait until next year for Jefferson to join the union if you want it to.Goldwind1 (talk) 19:30, August 20, 2020 (UTC)
Why are you talking to yourself? You also didn't properly read my answer, US elections here are irrelevant, Jefferson elections however are...as a proof of democratic stability. No I don't have the power to "strike" articles, only to break consensus because factually at such moment there factually would be no consensus. Sign yours posts, it's easy!
No, I would like to work on Znojmo myself, thank you.12:18, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Ok I accept that. Well will you mind if I make a second czech forntier teroty based in Jihlava Terbic of telc or would that intefer with your znojmo palans
Canon-wise, that area is deserted, so it would not make sense there. However, there are other Alpine border areas in the Czech Republic, just farther west.15:41, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
I have seen no mention of telc Terbic or jihvla being deserted in 1983 doomsday. Can you please direct me to the information about those cities being abandoned .I have see Also further west is too close to the republic of Bohemia. The map of bohemian on the Bohemia page has everything west of telc colored. I doubt they strongly control most of that territory but they claim it atleast. occupying land west of Telc will cause clashes between the alpine confederation and Bohemia and I don't want that to happen Goldwind1 (talk) 22:04, 24 November 2020 (UTC). .
Those areas don't have explicit confirmation of them being gone by virtue of it being irrelevant as an area. However, as far as I know Alpine lore, the area between the border areas and Moravia is empty without organisation. Of course there might be Alpine outposts there, but not a territory so to speak. The Bohemian map page is not as accurate you might think. Look at the overall Doomsday map.14:34, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I finally left a message at Talk:1983: Doomsday#Republic of Jefferson. I think there is a lot more that could be written about this country, but it's probably ready to make canon, even while you (or someone else) writes more details. But I also have some questions about it.
I confess that I did not read the entire discussion between you and SigmaHero - it's incredibly long and difficult to read all at once. I'm glad that the issues were resolved. I hope you feel free to continue to develop this country. I do agree with him that it's still too early for Jefferson to officially be part of the new USA - but it's possible that they officially call themselves "State of Jefferson" as a symbol of hope. It's not like there's any law against calling themselves a "State".
I figured Kentucky and Virginia would have a falling out over rejoining the US. Kentucky, of course, is interested in joining and Virginia is not. I don't think it would need to be much more complicated than that. Kentucky has always been a US-like state whereas Virginia has been more authoritarian. Their alliance was one of necessity and convenience. Now that Kentucky is both aware of the new US and in a position to join it, the alliance with Virginia is not as important as it once was. I don't think there would be a war between Kentucky and Virginia. There might be a Cold War or a cooling of relations, but war is in no one's interest and Virginia would probably lose anyway. Zack 19:35, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
I look Foward to you update
Hello, I saw that you requested to adopt Cascadia. Gryffindor and I have been discussing it also, here: User talk:GryffindorKrypton#New US state. I think that it likely became a US state recently. He suggested 2020. What do you think? I've added it to United States (1983: Doomsday) already, but maybe you had different plans for it. Benkarnell (talk) 14:57, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
I like the idea of cascaida joining the union. I am a little concerned with cassiadia low population given a low say in congress. Then again most the states have a low population. Still do you think that the united states would try attract cassiadia into joing by to have part of western idaho and eastern oregon become part of casscia if they join. The united has shirks the borders of it states before when they craved up woyombing to make aborska
- To take land from a state, the government would need the state's government to consent, under the Constitution. And most likely the state would ask the people who live there what they think... would the people living in that part of Idaho want to be Cascadian? My sense is no, and it seems not really worth it. But the size is OK. It wouldn't even be the smallest state by population. Benkarnell (talk) 23:39, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
Well ok go for it. Also I belive that the republic of jeffeson should join soon and maybe the serria nevada union too. I belive I adopt the serria nevada unionGoldwind1 (talk) 00:09, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
- I haven't read about Sierra Nevada, but I 100% agree for Jefferson. That and Pasco in Washington are probably the next ones, maybe this year, maybe next. I'm glad you agree for Cascadia, I'll edit the page to show it's a state. And maybe it would gain some territory, I don't really know. Benkarnell (talk) 00:22, 25 February 2021 (UTC)