Hanging round here as well? ;) --Karsten vK (talk) 20:15, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


Thank you. You are welcome to contribute to the TL as well. Buk5 20:48, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Spinoffs of Australia/New Zealand flag

I've taken the liberty of creating some spinoffs of your Australia/New Zealand flag for use in the 1983DD world. I'd like to know what you think of them.

I like that roundel a lot! It creates a real dilemma, actually, since it's got such a "coolness factor." I had already thought through the comments you had made on the roundels. I don't think New Zealanders could be very upset about the lack of white. Roundels should be generally suggestive of a country, but they don't necessarily carry any symbolism of their own. They're not omnipresent like flags are, anyway. And as for Jamaica, well, post Doomsday Jamaica has either collapsed or joined the East Caribbean Federation, so there won't even be that to overlap with.
Is your "star and pentagon" modifiable for the associated states? Papua's might look something like this very rough one, I suppose. With those, though, we run into the rule of tincture - the actual ANZ flag is a good exception to the rule, I think, but on a fast-moving plane it is practical to separate your dark colors from each other.
And yes, that is an ensign, not a jack. It's based on the white ensigns that Australia and New Zealand use OTL. Benkarnell 16:56, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
I have to admit, your pentagon roundels are much more striking than mine. If you ever get a chance to make a "full set", I'll use them.
I think that I will not use the "original" Hawaii flag, however. According to WP, at least, it was rediscovered in some archives only in 1999; therefore, in TTL it seems most likely that nobody would know about it. Benkarnell 17:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

New Britain

Could you come up with some spinoffs of the UK flag that incorporate African themes? Thanks. Bob 17:34, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

New Britain

Could you come up with some spinoffs of the UK flag that incorporate African themes? Thanks. Bob 17:35, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


So,how's the map for the USSR going?--Vladivostok 20:51, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

The boundaries look ok,you should probably check out this map of Kazakhstan which would provide some idea of the extent of the borders to the south. For the Kyrghyzstan part we can either ad it as a seperate republic or simply incorporate it in the Kazakhstan part.
Map of kazakhstan 83DD.jpg
You also didn't ad Alaska,look at the article now,the invasion part makes more sense now.--Vladivostok 15:44, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Template and China

I like the template and when I start writing the other republics' articles,it will come in handy. But we need to make a decision. We can have a short article about China, detailing what was left of it and include the Uyghur part and the Manchurian part,saying that these parts of China are part of the USSR,links to the pages,etc.(then I'd also include Tibet,since it was a part of the PRC). But I just don't see the joint government happening. In the eighties the Uyghurs were a majority(true,a slight one) in Xinjiang and as such I think that the Siberian leadership would have to give them their own republic. Chinese radicals could start proclaiming that part rightfully a part of the rest of China under the control of the Socialist Union,but in an aftermath of a nuclear war,I highly doubt they would start complaining about it. Maybe there could be a referendum,or a proposal of a referendum on forming a joint republic in the USSR,but even that is a bit unlikely in my opinion.--Vladivostok 13:50, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Siberian population

So,what do you think an acceptable number for the population might be? Also,do you think we'll be able to save most of the content we had for the region?--Vladivostok 07:24, November 21, 2009 (UTC) Oh,and one other thing. I hate to say this,but if we have to change something, what would we be willing to give up?--Vladivostok 09:48, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

No thoughts at all on this subject?--Vladivostok 07:26, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

A lot has happened

Just a quick recap of things that happened when you were away: The Alaska article is still a proposal, but it hasn't been marked as obsolete, since Ben wanted your input on it as well. Xi'Reney and Mitro are against the article, while Darth and Ben are for the article. I changed the population number to a more acceptable level, created biography pages for the leaders of the USSR and Cosmodrome page for the space information. Paul II. has been asking questions about the articles and I was giving him some basic information on the Siberian articles. If you have any other questions, ask away.--Vladivostok 12:21, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

Border change in Alaska

Hi, I saw that you came back for a spell. We've just about reached a consensus that the new borders of Soviet Alaska look like this: File:Divided Alaska Revised.png. (The DMZ might be reduced in the Aleutian Islands; someone pointed out that demilitarized islands don't make a ton of sense). But if you get the chance, could you change the map of the USSR/Siberia to reflect this? I would but don't have anything that can edit a .svg. Benkarnell 05:10, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, thanks. The history has been modified along with the map: there was no big, strategic battle, only small skirmishes. The Soviets were there, helping to administer that segment of land; the Americans attacked them; they fought back. The Americans / ANZUS sent a small force but were not willing to start a full scale attack, though if they had I'm sure they would have won. Historically, my take is that the situation is mostly known as the time when the former Powers made peace and decided not to fight again. But territorially, it did result in a little piece of Alaska that remained Soviet (and which they would be unwilling to apart with, down the line). That's not so hard to believe, if you ask me. 20:24, January 22, 2010 (UTC) (Benkarnell)

RE:Siberia map

Great that you could comment because I'm having trouble with the map, it doesn't seem to upload correctly, am I missing something? Oh, and no problem, will change all the names, it's just that I'm swamped with work right now.--Vladivostok 16:47, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Ross question

Hello again. You were very helpful with the names of Alaska's subdivisions for me. I was wondering if you can help me out with a problem I have been trying to answer for weeks now. In short, I have changed Alaska's subdivisions form oblasts to governorates (губернии), while oblasts will be downgraded to the status of subdivisions of the governorates (much like the counties of the US). I want to name the oblast that surrounds the city of Ross the Ross Oblast. However, I am not too sure how to write the adjective for Ross. "Росская область"? I know that Russian in Russian is either Российская (country) or Русский (language and people), but I still find it weird that Россий would mean something like "Rosser" in English.

I am curious if this would be how to say "Ross Oblast" in Russian. Or if its too confusing, would Fort Ross be named something different upon becoming a city. I thank you again. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 03:54, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Soviet republics license plates

Я люблю Одессу.

Sorry for the delayed response, but yeah. Thank you so much for the link, it really helped me out. I found a link which showed all the codes, and I am really shocked. I originally thought it was one code for each republic, but it is actually one code for each oblast (more or less). So in my honest opinion, the fact that there isn't any type of icon or code for the republic as a whole makes me amazed. But anyway, I came up with an interesting idea. Rather than basing it on the plates of Russia (and Abkhazia to that respect), I decided to base it more on Pridnestrovie's plates. Obviously, the PMR is as close to the USSR today as it gets, and their design is interesting. The left side of the plate contains stickers. The top contains the flag of the republic, the bottom has some type of registration symbol. It reminds me of the drivers licensees of Florida, which have this reflective sticker which is used to confirm that the license is legit. I added the hammer and sickle to it (for fun), and it has the code of the plate to confirm which plate its for. The right-side of the plate contains the same coding for the USSR, one letter, four numbers, and two letters. Tell me what you think. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 17:51, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

It's funny that you brought up the EU. My original thoughts for the license plates of the USSR would have been a duplicate of the EU. Obviously with the blue replaced with red, and the 12 stars replaced with the hammer and sickle. Now I am tempted to add red to the license plate. As for the font I chose, I can't agree more with you. Sorry it looks terrible, but that's all I could find on such short notice. I do have plans to redo the font before I make anything canon. Also, what do you mean by "obviously soviet?". Thank you again for your help. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 13:59, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
Greetings. I just came up with a new idea. After thinking about it, adding the flag stickers seems like a waste of space (since more people can express themselves with bumper stickers and such). So I have decided to go back to the original design, but I thought it would stand out if I replaced the black with red. What do you think of the idea? --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 22:44, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the input. I have decided to just keep it standard with OTL, just for simplicity. Also, thank you for the seating arrangement. I didn't know you uploaded one. Why didn't you note me? Thank you for the cleaned version, but I will have to make a vector version of it for ease, plus I haven't finalized the parties yet. But again, thank you so much. You are a very big help for me ^_^ --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 16:11, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Another Russian question

Sorry to bother you gain, but I have another question involving Russian names. In my Venusian Haven timeline, one of the governorates of New Kamchatka was named after Che Guevara. The region was named after the Cuban colonists, and would be named Gobernación de Che in Spanish, but I can't figure out how to make the translation in Russian. The only thing that comes to mind is Ческая губерния, but I think that sound too close to "Чешкий". I wanted to clarify with you if that is alright. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 22:33, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much, but I decided to rename the governorate to Новогаванская губерния (seems like a better name to me). There is still so much I need to learn about Russian names. I also wanted to know if you got my message I left you about the license plates of the USSR. I made an updated version, and made the font look exactly like the standard font. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 02:00, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Seating charts

OMG!!!! Wow! Thank you so much. I can't believe there was actually a program you can use to make them. I originally thought that you made the 1035-seat chart from scratch. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 18:52, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

The Flag

Could you use the thingy you used in your version of the Venus flag in this...

Love the flag.

Like the flag, think I'll use it for the Venus Forum

Do you think you can make same versoin for the Venusian Flag, like with these flags? About that, I wasn't doing to use it for the Venus page, I was going to use it for the United Nations of Venus (when I get round to creating it). Same with the Venus Forum. ;) Imperium Guy 15:48, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

and this...

Re: Maps of Venus

Wow! I love it. As for the pace names, they are the same as OTL (for the most part), but non-latinized. So Aphrodite Terra would simply be referred to as Aphrodite. "Montes" are just mountains, "Planitias" are oceans, and so on. That's one good thing I love about Russian, they are simple on the place names ^_^ Again, I love the map ^_^ --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 15:56, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Language question

Hello, I was wonder why "Французской оккупации Россией" is not correct? Should it be correct? Because it means "French occupation of Russia" (that's what I was going for, just occupation). "Французская оккупационная администрация России" Means "French occupation and administration of Russia?" and doesn't sound correct (or maybe Im wrong)? Could you please explain to me what is wrong with "Французской оккупации Россией"? Sorry, I kinda got curious (I not know much of the language)... 9 もりや すわこ 14:17, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, okay. So since "администрация" literally means government, is it possible to also use the word "правительство" (which also means government) instead or does the meaning change significantly? 9 もりや すわこ 14:44, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Names of the Soviet Union (New Union)

Oh, that's right, I completely forgot about that. I'll fix it now. ChrisL123 16:25, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Больше вопросы

Hey, Hellerick. I didn't know you knew Spanish (since you messaged me on my talk). I hope you don't mind, but I have some more Russian questions for you. I want to make sure that my Russian names for the Governorates of Bellinsgauzenia are correct. The one I would really like help with is the Midnight Coast (Полночный Берег [I hope I spelled it right]). How would you take this and make it into an adjective form? I hope I am not bothering you by contently asking these questions, but I love the Russian language. Большое спасибо, до свиданя. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 20:46, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Red Sun


Would you be able to flip the colours of this flag around so the background becomes yellow and the stickel and axil with the bushes around it become red? Ta!! :D 1.png Imperium Guy 09:41, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the flag!! :D 1.png Imperium Guy 11:40, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

UN flag with Venus map.svg
Flag of the United Nations of Venus by Hellerick.svg

Would I be able to get the coat of Arms for these two images? :D 1.png Imperium Guy 19:44, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

The images of the 2 proposed United Nations of Venus flags? Ta!! :D 1.png Imperium Guy 08:02, September 23, 2011 (UTC)

I still don't understand what do you want me to do. — Hellerick Flag of Divnogorsk.svg 07:45, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Hello again

How have you been? I have another Russian check I would love for you to correct for me. I am considering admitting Queen Charlotte as a governorate, but I think I may have some trouble translating it. I used Prince Eduard Island as an example, and I think I have it: Королева-Шарлоттинская губерния. I think I got it right, but I would love a second opinion. I also wanted to mention that I have made my presence over on the Russian site. I don't know if you work there or not, but I just wanted to mention it. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 04:48, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, thank you so much. I was sure I was getting closer. I found a link to what I thought was the adjective for PEI, but I guess it is wrong. Thank you again. ^_^ --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 05:08, October 23, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you so much, again. In the end, I am thinking I am going to be using "Куин-Шарлоттская губерния". The reason why is because this region was British. In otl, the colony didn't expand because of various reasons. But for ttl, I think the colony could potentially take off, having a good population of colonists. So when Russia acquires the British colonies, there would still be a large English-speaking population (which still exists to this day). I also predict that it would be the islanders who would declare themselves a governorate, so they would choose the name. I am still working out the detailed history, but I can't thank you enough for your help. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 01:00, October 24, 2011 (UTC)


Hello again. I wanted to thank you for correcting my typo on Дальнесеверная губерния. Thank you again.

I originally wanted to call (British) Columbia a name that would sound more Russian, but I gave up on because it seemed silly to give it a Russian name if their is still an English dominate population there. However, now I am thinking that this new name would only be in Russian. Since the Columbia River would be the border between the British and Russians, I thought the name "Transcolumbia" would be interesting. I just wanted to make sure I am spelling it correctly.

  • Заколумбийская губ.
  • Заколумбия (the region as a whole).

I hope I am spelling it right. Please forgive me if I am dead wrong. Thank you again. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 01:12, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

LOL. You already told me this. But thanks all the same. ^_^ --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 16:25, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Flags


I read your concern about uploading flags, but I don't quite understand what you meant when you were talking about the naming. Should I rename them when I upload them? I'm a little bit confused about what you meant.


SpanishSpy 14:59, May 26, 2012 (UTC)


LOL, i do accept my errors, it is from google translator :S in some way i did have to put it , isn't it? :S

Breizhcatalonia1993 16:00, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

I wish I knew what are your talking about. — Hellerick Flag of Divnogorsk.svg 03:16, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

Russian Touhou emblems

I didn't make those. I found them on safebooru. Just search 'russian touhou military' on that site (Safebooru) and they should be there.

Anyway, I can't really read Russian. Though I do know the character names are wrong, as I compared it to the Russian Touhou Character list on the Russian Wikipedia and both didn't really seem to match up. Anyway, what do the Touhou Russian Emblems say (if you don't mind me asking)? -Kogasa Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png宮城県.pngFlag of Japan.svg 2012年10月18日 03:02:37 (JST)

Interesting, and as expected, some of the characters name sound a bit strange and spelled/translated wrong in Russian. Sounds like the original creator of those tried to translate the characters a different way, more close to the Japanese or English but instead, few Russian letters are are left out and unneeded ones are put in (Komeidiskaya being one, when it should be Komeydzi (Комэйдзи) in Russian; original Japanese is 古明地 (Komeiji) for comparison). Though Yamame and Yugi had their first names correct (Ямамэ & Юги), surprisingly.
For the sentences, I can see why it's difficult and confusing when read in Russian. Thanks for the translations though! It was interesting to read. I shall take note of the translations. -Kogasa Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png宮城県.pngFlag of Japan.svg 2012年10月19日 01:08:07 (JST)

Re:Map of Russia

Thank you so much. I am quite happy hat I am on the right track.

As for the "Long Republic," I was intending to name the republic after the Tura River (which runs thought Tyumen). I saw the name mentioned on English Wikipedia, and thought it sounded better than "Tura Republic," but I had no idea that the word was Russian for "long" (despite the now obvious fact that it clearly states it on the page). Oh well, no one's perfect. I will change the name. But now looking into it, the Tura River seems to only make up a small portion of this region. Maybe a completely different name would be in order. "Ob" and "Yugra" come to mind, but I will look into it more.

If you wouldn't mind me asking, would like to get your opinion on the "Siberian Republic" (Novosibirsk). I am not satisfied calling the republic "Siberia" (because I see Siberia as vastly regional term). Aside from "Ob" (which Novosibirsk is on), can you suggest any other names? Thank you again. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 03:06, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Hm... never thought about that (us Americans are weird like that, lol). As for "Priobie," I'm not too sure. If I am getting the regional prefixes right, "Pri-" would mean "on this side of" (such as Pridnestrovie and Primorie). Using "Priobie" seems confusing, especially since the Ob would go through the region (as opposed to being a border), and Novosibirsk is directly on the Ob. Wouldn't "Poobie" (Пообье) be more correct for this? (much like Povolzhie and [oddly] Pomorie). For that, I would believe "Ob" would be a better name (if not for the fact that it sounds quite exotic for a regional name). But until a better name comes out, I think I will stick with "Siberia." Also, thank you for the heads up on "Chernozemie," what would think would be better for the "Tyumen" republic (Ob or Yugra?). --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 16:57, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Oh... my bad. ^^;

I'm not sure I like "Yamal-Yugra" (seems fake) nor "Zauralie" (there are already two "Urals" here). However, I did have a brainstorm. Why not just "Yamal"? While used in the Yamalo-Nenets AOk, the name seems more neutral to me (unlike Yugra). Like the Ob (river and gulf), the Yamal Peninsula is a major feature for the republic; and would have a major importance for the culture and economy of the republic (including natural gas reserves). What do you think?

Also a heads up (but this has only to do with the English translation and has no affect towards the Russian name), I am going to be uploading an updated map shortly, and Povolzhie will be renamed Volga. Given that the English name for the Federal District and the Economic Region is Volga (instead of Privolzhie and Provolzhie respectively), I think it should apply here as well (like how it would be called the "Far Eastern Republic" instead of the "Dalnevostok Republic"). I hope you don't have any objections to this. Thank you again for your help. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 01:37, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

OMG! What kind of forum is that? I am quite flabbergasted about this. If you don't mind me asking, what made you want to post my map to a forum? I am not sure whether to answer them, or to just take them as notes. But I can answer a few of these at the moment.

  • Valentin N — The Kurils would remain Japanese (among other things) because Japan would be an ally during WWII. Kaliningrad would remain part of Russia (among other things) because Germany invaded the USSR during WWII. Also... not a Pole. Try Irish-Scottish-Italian.
  • Arseniiv — This is true. However, the region was historically united during the revolution, and while not technically "Idel-Ural," a Turkic nationalist movement did advocate the unity among the Turkic peoples of the region (Tatars, Bashkirs, Chuvash). There was even a unity flag designed and used. (Also Hellerick, I assume that the italic was yours, so you can read it below).
  • Alexi84 — I am sorry that "Yamal" wasn't to you liking. It was a long shot, but I have a new name in mind. There is a reason why Idel-Ural and the Caucasus are divided the way they are, there are more non-Russians living there then... Russians. This is one of the main reasons why Chechnya and Tatarstan attempted to gain independence from Russia in the early '90s. While some republics do have more Russians (e.g., Karelia, Komia, Buryatia), those regions aren't one of them. So I doubt they would be willingly merged into neighboring regions.
  • Timiriliev — LOL
  • Antic — Ironically, you are not alone here. I looked into the idea of dividing the "Far Eastern Republic" into two. I decided not to because the northernmost portions of the Far East (Kamchatka, Magadan, Chukotka) would have a low population to constitute its own republic (at least from I have read). I would doubt that the region should be merged into Yakutia (because Yakutia is unique in its own right).

As for your questions, Hellerick. While unlike Idel-Ural (which I am assuming), the Cossacks actually did have a unity government established. It was known as the "Union of Cossack Republics of Southern Russia" (i.e., Don, Kuban). I believe there is mention about it here. While maybe not right away, it could develop into a united republic (I used the same idea for New Union). As for the presidential elections, I can't say. But I would guess it would be different.

Also, I came across you comment about the Crimea (Хоть бы Крым подкинул, что ли.). Ironically, Alexander Rutskoy was a supporter for Crimean independence (not forgetting Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and the PMR). However, there is a difference between supporting independence and annexation. If you have any ideas about this subject, I am all ears. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 16:50, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Just an update. I have updated the map. Not much has changed, but I did rename Tyumen again. This time I call it the "Tobol Republic." After the Tobol River (which is also the naming origin for Tobolsk [which you mentioned before]). Hope this one works. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 01:29, October 27, 2012 (UTC)


What would you recommend? I will pass it on to Scrawland. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 02:51, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

I just talked with Scrawland, and he said it happens around the 1850s (so no on krais). Also, Scrawland may be commenting here, so he may be taking over the discussion. Thank you again. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 03:52, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Supreme Soviet of Russia: chamber naming

Since "Federal" is adjective, just like Russian word "Федеральный", "Федеральный Совет" could be translated as "Federal Council" (or Federal Soviet, considering that word "Soviet" is used in place of "Council" when refers to deliberative assemblies in the Soviet Union). In OTL, Совет Федерации (upper chamber of the Federal Assembly) translates it's own name as a "Council of Federation" (and not as "Federal Council"), which is closer to "Soviet of the Federation", proposed in Supreme Soviet article. The name "Council of Representatives" was used in 1991 constitutional draft, implying that it's members are representatives of the whole people of the Russian Federation, as opposed to Soviet of Federation, whose composition meant to represent all federal subjects equally, regardless of their population. But i think, that it is possible to retcon that Congress of People's Deputies requested Constitutional Commission to use "Soviet of Deputies" (Совет депутатов) or even "Soviet of People's Deputies" (Совет народных депутатов) as a name for lower chamber (perhaps retcon it to a same vote in which Congress restored Russian flag and renamed RSFSR to RF?), because it would better suit for New Union TL (in which USSR hasn't dissolved, but was successfully reformed). Seryo93 (talk) 10:01, November 23, 2012 (UTC)


Hello, if it's not too much trouble, could you come up with a flag for the Mononobe clan? Basically something that mixes the Kanji of Mononobe together, similar to some of the Japanese Prefecture and Municipality flags. -Kogasa Miko THPW2.png Flag of Japan.svg 2013年4月01日 00:43:42 (JST)

New map of Russia

New map.

Greetings. It has been a while. I know you have been out for a few months now, but since you have been a major help with this map, I would love to get your opinion on the updated version.

Nothing has changed in Eastern Russia, though I have decided to rename the "Far Eastern Republic" into "Amur" (since none of the other republics have such direct names).

I decided to enlarge Ingria by including Karelia and Murmansk. My reasoning stems from the geographical and historical connections with Sweden and Finland.

I disbanded Idel-Ural, and made Bashkortostan, Chuvashia, and Tatarstan their own republics. The Uralic republics I decided to merge with neighboring oblasts to form a separate republic called "Vyatka" (which would be centered around Nizhny Novgorod).

Despite being questioned, I still feel that the Cossack regions would benefit from being united. I also decided to scrap Circassia and merged the whole area into Cossackia. This is because both Adygea and Karachay-Cherkessia having larger Russian populations, and Kabardino-Balkaria possibly supporting the merger to gain closer with their brethren (Circassians and Karachey-Balkars).

I am still considering how the situation in Chechnya would develop in this timeline, it may be divided as OTL. But for now, I will keep it united as Vainakhia. I also have a couple more ideas, but I will reveal them later.

Hope you are doing well, and I look forward to your response. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 04:20, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Err, what kind of response do you expect? — Hellerick Flag of Divnogorsk.svg 11:31, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
How do you mean? You said that my previous maps were good and that you were surprised that an American came up with it. I would like to see if my new version keeps with that, or whether I have deviated greatly. I truly hope I am not pestering you. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 18:04, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
You're not pestering, it's just I'm not sure what I am supposed to say. Your use of Russian place names contradicts their Russian use. The names Amur and Vyatka are applied to some territories, but never to such large ones. The name Izhora/Ingria/Ingermanland nearly disappeared from Russian language, and it's difficult for me to imagine it not only surviving but also being applied to such a large territory. Furthermore, the Kola Peninsula historically and geographically is rather connected to Arkhangelsk (it's their "colony", something like what Maine is to Massachusetts), in fact they two are the mainland of Pomorie. I don't know why Murmansk would rather be united with Pskov, so drastically different from it. (Well, actually a similar division existed between 1927 and 1938, but the radical reform of territorial organization of that time proved to be a bad idea.) Circassia disappeared form the map? Well, in some timeline it could happen. The plausibility of such event depends on scenario how it happened.
Of course you can do whatever you want, but this world now seems too different from ours for my opinion to matter much in it.
I'll ask other people, probably they will have something else to say. — Hellerick Flag of Divnogorsk.svg 02:15, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

I see. I'm upset that I have deviated well off from my previous attempts. Aside from the Far Eastern Republic, what name alternatives would you suggest for "Ingria" and "Vyatka"? In an attempt to salvage a little bit, do you think Karelia would side with Leningrad or Arkhangelsk?

I'm rather surprised you saw potential in Circassia. I will relook into it. I will have to work on an updated map soon. Thank you for your input. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 03:28, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

You can unite Karelia with whoever you want. This is the "weakest" of the Russian republics, it hardly ever had any historical or geographical significance, local ethnic awareness always was passive. Really, you can join it to any of its neighbors.
Does this Russia of yours have any historical heroes? Probably some cities or territories could be named after them? Kinda like State of Washington in the US, or Estado de Quintana Roo in Mexico. — Hellerick Flag of Divnogorsk.svg 10:38, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you once again for your clarification. I have updated the map, and removed the names you had problems with.

From what I can figure out, there is little difference from this Russia and OTL in development (the POD would be around 1812, and most divergence taking place in Alaska and the Far East), and the development of Russia into a federation of republics come out during the early 1990s. I am not sure as to any persons who would be influential enough (especially at this time) to warrant them getting a republic named after them.

For the present, I renamed "Ingria" to "Novgorod" (after the Novgorod Republic) and "Vyatka" to "Gorky." Not totally sure on Novgorod, given that this too has been overshadowed by Saint Petersburg; and Gorky is simply a temporary name (since you made mention about people, and I personally like this name over Nizhny Novgorod). I hope there are no further mislabeling on my part. "Baikal" and "Pomorie" are the names of proposed mergers, "Yenisey" and "Tobol" are named after rivers, and "Muscovy" is a historic nation. "Chernozemie" and "Volga" I hope are alright, but possibly bad? I will still look into whether to reinstate Circassia, I will do more reading on it. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 17:42, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Actually I like the name Novgorod. Indeed most of these lands once were a part of Novgorod Land. In historical sense Novgorod is not overshadowed by St Petersburg, it's a very proud name. The division "St Petersuburg for the city, Novgorod for the land" seems rather natural. Not to mention that it seems a good idea to revive the name "Novgorod Republic".
There is a problem with the name "Muscovy". It is not a historical region. It's a foreign name for the Moscow-dominated state. The corresponding Russian name "Московия" is perceived as an archaic alternative name for Russia, not as a name of some region. And then we come to the question what is the Russian name of the republic. Simply "Московская республика" (Moscow Republic)? Wouldn't it be confused with Moscow city region? If we use the analogy with Petersburg/Novgorod, then we should name the surrounding region after an ancient principality. The most influential here was the Principality of Vladimir-Suzdal. Suzdal currently is a rather small city, but Vladimir could serve as both the administrative center of the region and the "name-giver". — Hellerick Flag of Divnogorsk.svg 09:40, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

If you think it is workable, than Novgorod it is then. I hope that since you didn't mention them, "Chernozemie" and "Volga" are alright.

I am also favoring making "Gorky" as an official name. Maxim Gorky seems to be a revered person and author with many things from Gorky Park in Moscow to the GAZ automotive company being named after him (though that later is named after Nizhny Novgorod). Also given the fact that (at least) two oblasts (Leningrad and Sverdlovsk) kept their Soviet names despite the main city changing them (with other oblasts changing their Soviet names along with their city), it doesn't seem out of the ordinary to readopt this name. Though I am completely open to any alternate suggestions if I am wrong on this.

Funny you should mention Vladimir, because I was making it the republican capital. If Muscovy is out of the question, that I can't think of a better alternative. Thank you. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 01:56, July 17, 2013 (UTC)


Haven't heard this before, but wouldn't surprise me. Not sure how this could be implemented ATL, given that I see Kaliningrad being regarded as a sovereign republic of the Russia Federation. At the most, I see Belarus' inclusion making the situation in Kaliningrad much better in the long run (making it easier to keep connected with shorter air spaces). Also (kinda on the topic), I have heard that Russia is interested in building a Disneyland in the Kaliningrad Oblast. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 15:59, October 19, 2013 (UTC)


Hey Hellerick! Well, you see from what i understood it was Peter the I who brought the flag into play. He doesn't really exist in my TL, and I have an alternate Ivan V play a much larger role in Russia. If you notice the tricolour, it has the white and black swapped around. I was thinking this may be so due to the fact that Ivan does decide to have slight European inspirations - but because the rulers feel closer to being the desendants to the Bzantine Empire (even more so in OTL) and Byzantine colours were mainly black and yellow (and red) - the flag would be derived from this.

I hope it isn't a too outlandish idea, lol. Great talking to you again actually! :D 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 13:15, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

Well I really would rather not have to. Seeing as to how you said invent somethign else, maybe this could count as that? Of course, the naval ensign could be made to have the same purpose by using the black on the flag instead of the blue - works well too.

I know it was a Dutchman who told the Tsar Axelis I what the Dutch colours were and the Tsar was influenced by the tri-colour. Plus, when another Dutch ship arrived for the Russians in 1694 for Tsar Peter I, he used the flag directly to create the Russian flag. 

Now I need to break this link somehow to create the so called "Romanov flag" becoming the more official flag - over Peter's flag. I have the idea of having some prominent Eastern Roman guy being somewhere high in the Tsardom of Russia pre-Ivan V (my analogue for Peter I) - maybe working with Butler to make a prominent frigate. Maybe he could a successful general for the Tsardom - I'm just not sure yet.

Plus I also have the Russians rolling into the Ottoman empire, sweeping into Greece and the west coast of OTL Turkey - capturing Constantinople and once more in union with the home of the Orthodox church. This would also solidify their claim as the "Third Rome" or third Roman Empire. Black and yellow are very Byzantine colours so I would reckon it would play a large part too.

What do you think? :L 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:15, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

Hellerick? 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:17, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Re:65-star flag (please reply on my talk page)

Thanks for the file. I really needed the help. CivilEnsign48.png BF1395 (Wanna talk to me?!) 17:55, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

Wait.. can you please make a video on/teach me how to use it? CivilEnsign48.png BF1395 (Wanna talk to me?!) 18:05, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

I tried to make 67 stars... It's not generating anything. CivilEnsign48.png BF1395 (Wanna talk to me?!) 06:07, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Never mind... CivilEnsign48.png BF1395 (Wanna talk to me?!) 06:54, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Orthographic Map

Yep! I only used Celestia and Inkscape to make that map. Your map is amazing. What program did you use? I wasn't aware you had a program to do those maps (I've always assumed you manually made them like I do). -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 17:36, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Never heard of these programs, so I know of no other way (or better way). I downloaded Geocrat, but it will only let me use the demo version. I also converted to a shape file, but I don't know how to put it into Geocrat (doesn't seem to be letting me do it). Any thoughts? -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 01:34, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the tutorial, though I don't think it will be of much help (because the demo version won't show my own database), and there is no way I can afford the full version. But thank you again, now I know such a program exists. -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 15:39, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

alternate US flags

Is it alright if I use one of your alternate US flags for my althist? DeviouslyDeviant

Time on Venus

I've been meaning to write you about this, but you appeared to have beat me with the maps. I know it's been a few years since you brought it up, but I want to say that I love your calendar ideas, and I'd like to incorporate them into the timeline. However, I have made a crucial change which should be addressed before so, and that is I've altered the day on Venus from 22 hours to 34.2 hours. Not sure how this change will affect the calendars you've brought up, but I'm open to any suggestions. I do like the eight month years. Though if it also helps, maybe have around 20 days in a month (since Neith goes around every 18 days or so), but this isn't a requirement. I also like the idea of an Earth-based time and a shipping time. Definitely would be odd to live in the year 3070, but the only other option would be making Venusian year 0 the year the first people land.

Time Zones.

As for the questions you brought up, now I will answer them. First off: time zones. I've worked out a time zone layout for Venus (it should be posed here). The planet is divided into 34 zones (with New Kamchatka acting as the base for which [like the UK]). Each country would choose which time zones they follow (much like on Earth), but since the overall population of Venus is low, I believe the settlements would make the choices over an area as a whole (more like Alaska's single time zones or the recent changes in Russia). Since there are no noticeable seasons on Venus (as well as the growing debate over its use today on Earth), I doubt any of the nations would follow any form of daylight savings time.

The dateline would be where the prime meridian is on Venus. The PM on Venus is the latitude which marks the highest point on the planet (like OTL), though it should be noted that most maps don't center on this (since Aphrodite Terra would be cut in half). This also helps because the line opposite the PM runs through New Kamchatka, so just think of it as being reverse from Earth.

As for weekdays, I have no idea. Given the longer hours, it might be fun to have fewer days (maybe five). I'm open to any suggestions. As for the Sabbath... I can't say. To be honest, I'm more interested in what direction Muslims would prey towards on Venus, as well as the Scientology aspects (i.e., Venus being evil). If five days... than maybe the third or fourth day (depends on what the weekends are to be). I look forward to your response. -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 02:28, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

I was pretty shocked when I first read how detailed it was, and you deserve to be shocked (pretty rare I find myself doing something that shocks me [at least something that I regret]).
As for a detailed year and day... not too sure what to day. The Venusian year is roughly 224.695 Earth days, and I guess the day on Venus would be about 34.20185 Earth hours. I hope this is detailed enough, but I'm open to variability if that helps you out. -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 15:32, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

I wanted to make the days there as alien as I possibly could. Not really sure what you're suggesting. Can you please explain it again? -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 16:57, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

Let me see if I have this straight (want to be sure I understand). Though the Venusian days (the time it takes the Sun to go completely around in the sky) would be roughly four days. The colonists would (more or less) ignore this and work on a six-day week of varying daylight hours (or rather they ignore them physiologically speaking). More complicated than I would've thought, but I should've expected this with a 34 hour day. But the more complicated the better (gives my brain a work out). Though I'd like to clarify the Venusian hour (though I may be reading you wrong), a "Venusian hour" is the same as an Earth hour (60 minutes), just that there would be more hours in the day. I'm also thinking of a clock which would have 17 hours on it (so there'd be an AM and a PM). -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 17:48, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

A little too complicated (going to be a while before I can wrap my head on these). I'd prefer that Venus have a 34 hour day (with 60 minute hours and 60 second minutes, just with the addition of 10 hours). Though to be fair, I'd first like to get a "standard Venus calendar" established, one which can accurately be used on Venus, then add the "civil calendars" over which (if you know what I mean).

I really hate math, but I think I came up with a basic calendar idea for Venus that I'd love to get your check on (pretty excited I did all this math ^_^). To simplify, a Venusian year is about 244.7 Earth days. This is about 5392.8 Earth hours. Divide that by 34.2 and you get 157.68. Even it out, that would mean there would be roughly 158 Venusian days which make up a Venusian year. If you divided that up, that would easily make an eight month year (with six month being made up of 20 days, while two would have to have 19 days). I was also thinking there would be roughly five days in a week (but this shouldn't affect the months too much).

What do you think? -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 17:32, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Re:G Projector

Oh wow! This program is amazing. Thank you so much, I can't thank you enough.

Also (if you don't mind me asking), did you notice my last message for the time on Venus? Haven't gotten a response. Worried you missed it. -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 17:14, December 9, 2013 (UTC)

Lol. I can understand, happens to me all the time (getting a little ADD from time to time). Like I stated before, I first wanted to make a "standard calendar" (one which gives the basic time, days, and years for Venus). Other calendars would no doubt be established and used across Venus, just wanted to get one out of the way (is all). No need to worry about this all at once. Enjoy your asteroids. =P -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 01:01, December 11, 2013 (UTC)


I've been informed by Nuke that you make flags. According to your porfolio, you make them quite nicely. Your symbols are also well done. If you don't mind my asking, how do you do it. You and Nuke are quite amazing illustrators to be honest. :) The Hurian Database Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 02:38, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

Nice. You work in design? The Hurian Database Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 14:34, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

Dang. Kudos then. I didn't expect you to be the shipbuilding type. The Hurian Database Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 15:03, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

You build ships in Siberia? Wouldn't have guessed. Funny because I have a Ukrainian friend here in Florida who worked on ships in Odessa before coming to the US. Also, sorry for the eavesdropping. -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 17:02, January 3, 2014 (UTC)


Good afternoon. My name is Gaius Julius Caesar and I live in Russia. I really do not speak English, but I am going to create a wiki timeline. I need help with spelling, can not help me? The world will be called: World The victorious White Movement. Thanks in advance! 22px {{SUBST:ПОДСТАНОВКА:color|#4169E1|Гай Юлий Цезарь}} {{SUBST:ПОДСТАНОВКА:color|#4169E1|(}}{{SUBST:ПОДСТАНОВКА:color|#4169E1|Talk}}{{SUBST:ПОДСТАНОВКА:color|#4169E1|)}} 18:37, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

Russian Naming Advice?

Greetings. Been a while since we last spoke. I was hoping you could help me out with a naming dilemma I've been having for a while.

In my timeline Great White South, one of the Russian colonies which were established would be named after Tsar Alexander I (in reference to Alexander Island). But after doing some research, I wasn't able to come across many regions in Russia named directly after tsars (I found places like Yekaterinburg and the like, but nothing simply "Catherine").

My primary question would be if Russia would ever do this sort of thing. In English, several colonies were named after kings (such as Georgia and Victoria), but I would prefer to keep true to Russian naming standards. I would appreciate any advice you could give me.

The name I've been using (as of lately) is "Александровская область," with the colloquial name "Александрия" being used when the region gained independence. -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 16:25, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the advice, it has help out a lot. I will incorporate many of these suggestions into the timeline.
I can understand "Bellinsgauzenia" being a frightening-looking name. XP
Never heard of stans in northern Russia. Do they have any origins to the Turkic stans (Kazakhstan, etc.)?
I had no idea "земля" had a shortened form ("земье"). I was hoping such a thing was possible, since Bellingshausen purposely named the land he discovered "Alexander (I) Land" (Земля Александра). Based on this, would Александроземье (Александроземская область) make any sense? -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 15:27, June 11, 2014 (UTC)

I think LG is just saying to be more open in regards to my Russian naming. Basically that English and native languages would also play a part in Russian Antarctica. I believe that's what he meant, but the more help the better.

Fabian Gottlieb von Bellingshausen was Baltic German and born in Estonia (which was part of the Russian Empire at the time). He lead the first Russian circumnavigation of the world, during which his party became the first Europeans to discover Antarctica. I used the Russified "Bellinsgauzen" as opposed to the German "Bellingshausen." I was inspired by the naming of Colombia for this. Though when you think about it, the name isn't any longer than "Czechoslovakia" (I've gotten pretty used to it XP).

I had a feeling "stan" came from that. Didn't know "stand" was also from that root word.

So Александроземье wouldn't be acceptable? -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 17:37, June 11, 2014 (UTC)

Do forgive me, though I think you are referring to LG in your previous statement.
To clarify, I'd prefer to use the name "Alexander Land" as this was named by Bellingshausen upon its discovery (named after Tsar Alexander I). But if the name is too long and clumsy to work out here, than I could easily move on. I would love to still use the root word "земье" for this particular region, and I think I may have found a potential name. What of "Царьземье"? Along with Alexander Land, Bellingshausen also named an island after Peter the Great. This seems like a compromise name ATL (kinda like Queensland, Australia). Though it may sound a little like "царь семье" when you think about it. Would this be a workable name? -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 00:53, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
Those sure sound weird. Just name it "Земля Александра". — Hellerick Flag of Divnogorsk.svg 03:10, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

Would "Земля Александра" really be an acceptable name in Russian? What would its adjective form be? But otherwise "Царьземье" would be acceptable (just weird sounding)? I ask to see if I'm becoming more accustomed to this root word or whether I still sounds like an weird American. XP

Do forgive me, I hope I'm not being an annoyance. -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 04:01, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

The original name for the archipelago Severnaya Zemlya was Земля Имератора Николая Второго, and I see no reason why a similar name couldn't be used in Antarctica. Russian adjectives for Новая Земля and Северная Земля are Новоземельский and Североземельский respectively. So for Земля Александра it should be Александроземельский. The word is too long, so it most likely wouldn't be used non-bureaucratic contexts.
The name Царьземье sounds similar to Царьград — old Slavic name for Constantinople. The latter name strictly speaking isn't native Russian, it's a borrowing from the Old Church Slavonic Language (based on Old Bulgarian), such naming pattern is unnatural for Russian, and I'm not sure if it could be recreated in modern Russia. Also, Церьград meant "The City of the Emperor" (i.e. the capital of the Empire), so Царьземье is perceived as "The Land of the Emperor" (i.e. the metropole), which the Antarctic colony is not.

Though given the name is "Zemlya Aleksandra" (not "Aleksandra Zemlya"), wouldn't the name be more like "Землеалександровский"?

How do you mean "won't be used"? If I may add, could this area adopt a shortened name? Something like how the Nizhny Novgorod Oblast is called Нижегородская.

Царьград was the inspiration. I would definitely agree that this area wouldn't directly be the "land of the Emperor," but Queensland is really no different by etymological comparison. -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 14:58, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

SVG Flags

Quick question, what program do you use to make your flags? (United Republic (talk) 14:51, August 31, 2014 (UTC))

Inkscape. That's perfect for both flags and map making. — Hellerick Flag of Divnogorsk.svg 00:16, September 1, 2014 (UTC)

Inkscape Map and Flag Making?

Hey Hellerick, I have been making maps and flags for a bit as of now, and they have been somewhat mediocre. I have been using Paint.NET to do both maps and flags, and though it works, and I'v come a long way from my first maps and flags, I feel that my maps and flags can't look as good as SVG ones made in Inkscape. I see that you clearly know what you are doing when it comes to making flags and maps, so can you tell me how to use Inkscape to make basic maps and flags and tell me a few tricks of the trade if possible? I usually can figure out what I'm doing from there.

Thank you,

—Bfoxius (talk)

You sure know how to ask huge questions. I'm afraid I cannot help you unless you'd be staying behind my back and watching everything I do. Such skills require many little tricks. Just try Inkscape tutorials first, and learn the basics of SVG (the brilliance of Inkscape is that when you don't know how to draw something, you can code it, but you have to know how SVG works for it). — Hellerick Flag of Divnogorsk.svg 09:57, April 6, 2015 (UTC)
Alright, thank you. Guess I'll have to learn how to use Inkscape and SVGs the same way I learned how to use Paint.net, through practice and trials.
—Bfoxius (talk)

Jewish Autonomous Oblast

I was wondering if you could enlighten me on what names average Russians generally call the "Jewish Autonomous Oblast." I've come across (at least in English) that the names "Birobidzhan" and "Yevrey" are often used as short names for the region. I know Birobidzhan is the capital of the region, and "Yevrey" is just the Russian word for Jew, so I would love it if you could help me out. -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 22:51, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

There is no colloquial name. "Birobidzhan" and "Yevrey" are generalized names in English which hardly have any Russian counterparts. We use the official name, or abbreviate it to "Еврейская АО" or "ЕАО" . I remember we were discussing on a linguistic forum proposals for new names for the regions of Russia, and it was suggested to call the oblast Judenland. — Hellerick Flag of Divnogorsk.svg 02:48, April 7, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying this with me. I got to say, I rather enjoy the name "Judenland" (not too sure why). How would you write this in Russian? Though this name sound a little too German (since the region is primarily Russian). Perhaps "Yiddishland" instead? I will definitely look into this. -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 03:07, April 7, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, it seems the real-world term with similar meaning is Yiddishland, (יידישלאנד, Идишланд). I am not sure about it, probably it too strongly implies it being "the land of the Yiddish language", while Judenland was supposed to mean "the land of (all kinds of) Jews" which just happened to be in Yiddish (in Germanized form due to complications of Yiddish/Russian transcription). I guess real Jews should be asked about such subtle differences. Luckily I know some. — Hellerick Flag of Divnogorsk.svg 04:00, April 7, 2015 (UTC)

I initially thought the same think about the name Yiddishland, but after doing more reading on this I think I've come to really love the name. While the word Yiddish is commonly used for a specific group of Jews, the word in the Yiddish language literally means "Jewish." This is most apparent in the Yiddish name for the JAO (which can be translated as the "Yiddish Autonomous Oblast"). Combined with the fact that Yiddish is a Germanic language, the name Yiddishland could be translated as the "Jewish country" or "Jewish land." The fact that the cultural placement of Yiddish in the JAO only makes this name sound more usable. -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 16:33, April 7, 2015 (UTC)

Asked some Jews, they say the name is okay. — Hellerick Flag of Divnogorsk.svg 00:54, April 8, 2015 (UTC)

Glad to hear it. Thank you so much, and please thank your friends for me. -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 03:14, April 8, 2015 (UTC)

Re:English Cyrillic

Сорі фор ѕе лат ріспонс. (Not sure if I spelled it right, still a bit alien to me).

I'm impressed by the extra level you took in transcribing a book into this system and it was very amusing to read a few pages in your system. Sadly... it only reminds me at how complicated English spelling can actually be.

As for the system itself, so far it looks excellent. I was also surprised to see you added two letters for the voiced and unvoiced "Th," though I have to admit I wasn't expecting the use of "Ѕ" for one of them. It reminded me of how French people attempt to pronounce the "Th" with an "S" instead, so I almost assumed you opted not to add the "Th" into your system. Also I wasn't aware that Cyrillic had an "S"-like letter (I'm so used to Russian).

The only negative I could see (but please take this with a grain of salt) would be how the vowels don't take into account the many dialects of English. An example from your work would be the spelling of "pronunciation." As a New Yorker, we tend to pronounce this more like "проноѡнсіеішон" (as opposed to "пронънсіеішон"). But it should be added that Russian also has several dialects with deviate from the standard spelling, so this complaint is very minor (just an excuse to use my New Yorker accent in spelling). I would suggest a more neutral vowel system which could be altered based on dialect (similar to Russian), but your proposal of using word etymologies and orthographies looks far more pleasing to the eyes.

All-in-all, I'm very happy you asked me to critique this. Please keep working on this system and keep up the great work. -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 18:59, November 4, 2015 (UTC)

More Russian Republics and Canners?

I hope you don't mind, but I would love to get your input on a revamped map of Russia I've been working on. I've decided to take into account population as well as history and regionalism. With that, I partitioned a few of my previous republics, and took a few liberties on others. Any new names are based on geographical names (mountains and rivers).

The only republic I've "made from scratch" (not based on anything historical) would be my "Rybinsk Republic." This republic would be centered around the Rybinsk Sea and would also be (more or less) a "buffer" between Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Otherwise I tried to keep boundaries as historical and regional as possible. Don't mind the non-Russian additions (Belarus et al.).

I also wanted to ask you a Russian word question. Does Russian have a word for "canner" (a person who works in a cannery [консервный завод]). The closest word I could think of is "консервник," but I don't think this is the word I'm looking for. I was hoping you can give me some insight. -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 03:54, November 13, 2015 (UTC)

'Rybinsk Sea' is an artificial reservoir, and rather unpopular one. It covers too much territory destroying many old towns, churches etc., while producing too little power. I don't think this name would be used. The region it covers earlier was known as Poshekhonie (after Шехонь, older name of the river Sheksna). Now the word is practically forgotten, probably you could use it with a new larger meaning. More boring names could be Yaroslavl or Upper Volga. The region has many beautiful names important for the Russian history, but unfortunately none of them seems to be suitable for a large region.
I don't know the name Sura.
Your North Ural in fact is Mid Ural.
Elbrus can seen from several neighboring regions of Russia, so I suppose it can be a good name for such region. But I don't think Kalmykia can be a part of it. The Kalmykians hardly have anything in common with the peoples of the Caucasus, probably they should rather join Volga.
I don't understand why Chuvashia exists as a separate entity, while Mordovia and Mari El don't. What's the difference between them.
'Far East' is a name from Moscow POV's which can annoy people, who don't consider themselves living far from somewhere. Since Primporski Kray most likely never existed in your timeline, and the region seem to coincide with earlier Primorskaya Oblast, probably you should use this name.
Siberia, meh. At least six of your republics are located within Siberia, and only one is named such. Probably Mid Siberia (Среднесибирская республика)?
About canners, probably you need something like закатчик (a person who works with a machine like this), but without a context this word most likely wouldn't be understood. — Hellerick Flag of Divnogorsk.svg 05:26, November 13, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your input.

I was unaware that Rybinsk was unpopular, so thank you for clarifying this. Though a "dull" name, I'm rather tempted to call the republic "Upper Volga" and rename the other one "Lower Volga."

The name "Sura" is in reference to the Sura River, which forms parts of the borders of Mordavia and Nizhny Novgorod, and is the river which Penza is situated on.

To be fair, my intention for "North Ural" was that the proposed Ural Republic would be partitioned between its north and south. With this in mind, does "North Ural" still sound out of place?

The primary reason I opted to include Kalmykia is because it was once an autonomous oblast/okrug of the Stavropol Krai (as was Karachay-Cherkessia). I also chose this because Kalmykia's capital is closer to Stavropol than either Astrakhan or Volgograd. You believe they'd prefer to join Volgograd?

The sole reason I opted to keep Chuvashia a republic and ignore the rest of Idel-Ural is due to demographics. Chuvashia's population is over a million, with the vast majority of them being ethnically Chuvash. Mari El and Mordovia have less than a million people, and both have Russian majorities/pluralities. If that doesn't help the situation, than I will take another look at the area.

I'm confused. Why do you think the Primorsky Krai would not exist ATL? Nothing against the name "Primorie," but I'd think the "Far Eastern Republic" would've helped to solidify the name.

I'm also confused by the sudden 180 on Siberia. Didn't you inform me that the people living there see themselves as being "Siberians" more so than the geographic area (similar to how Americans are only one part of the Americas). Could you please clarify?

Thank you for the word help. Though not the exact word I was looking for, the broad definition of "закатчик" actually seems more appropriate for what I was wanting. -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 19:05, November 13, 2015 (UTC)

I think I've come up with new acceptable borders based on your input. I've made all of Idel-Ural their own republics, increased Samara, combined Nizhny Novgorod into Vyatka, moved Kalmykia into Lower Volga, as well as renamed several of the republics.
The only things that I request more input on are the naming choices for the Far East and Siberia. While I absolutely have nothing against the name Primorie (I actually would prefer it over Far East), the only real gripe I have is whether or not the name Far East Republic would really be ignored in favor of Primorie (as I've seen several continue to use the use of ДВР in referring to the area). There's also the trivial complain on whether Primorie could be confused with Pomorie, but that is not that big of a concern.
The last is Siberia, which you appear to now see as "meh". You were the first to inform me that the locals there tend to use the name more in reference to themselves than all of Russian Asia (something on par with how Americans are only a small part of the Americas). I have nothing against renaming the republic, rather I'm simply confused by this 180 change.
As for an alternate name, I don't think "Middle Siberia" sounds too good (especially since it's not really in the middle of the whole). For this map, I've decided to call it Ob (after the river). The river runs through Novosibirsk and the name appears (at least to me) to have originated from the same root word that gave us Omsk and Tomsk (both named after tributaries). Though I actually love this name, I can understand if it seems too... bland or funny sounding to actually use. So at the very least, this is only a temporary name. I look forward to your input. -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 19:40, November 18, 2015 (UTC)
After discussing the matter on a forum I came up with such notes and suggestions: [1]
BTW, after a small orthography reform I have converted yet another book into Cyrillic English, "The Borrowers" by Mary Norton: [2]. — Hellerick Flag of Divnogorsk.svg 07:33, November 19, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you again for your input, and please thank your forum for helping me.

To put it frankly, I never wished to partition the federal subjects, as this could be a Pandora's Box in the making (i.e., completely redrawing the boundaries). However, you and your friends made many convincing arguments that I will now look into this with more detail.

The only concern I have would be redrawing the boundaries in regards to Belarus and Ukraine. Would those of the Vitebsk Oblast feel being merged into Smolensk? As for Ukraine, it seems rather foolish to partition the Rostov Oblast. If we're going all the way and ignoring (formerly) international boundaries, why not just combine "Donbass" with with Rostov? Both regions are within the Don River region, both have a similar history, and both are demographically similar. Would that be acceptable?

Aren't the Russian and Ukrainian names for "Zaporizhia" effectively the same? Just different spelling rules? I have no issue changing this if needed. Do forgive me on "Middle Ural." I though the correct geographical name was Центральноуральская. This will be corrected in the next update. In regards to Idel-Ural, I'd rather use the name Bulgaristan (which was a proposed Tatar name). Would this be acceptable? I would also still like your opinion on "Ob" (whether or not it's a workable name).

Out of all the books you could've translated, you had to choose one of my favorites. XP I look forward to reading this. -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 20:51, November 19, 2015 (UTC)

Truth be told I don't know what's the point of dividing Belarus, Pskov, Tver, and Vologda regions (other than being aware of the local subregional center competition) -- it was not my idea, but as an 'althister' I think breaking such shapes makes the map more interesting. (Checking your new map.) Yeah, it does.
Earlier there was a Velikie Luki Oblast, so its shape could be used as a basis for dividing Pskov and Tver Oblasts.
There was also short-lived coal-mining Kamensk Oblast, its territory can be treated as the Russian half of Donbass.
As for joining whole Rostov Oblast to this republic... Actually having Kharkov on one end, Rostov on another, and Donbass in the middle seems rather weird. As if it consists of three elements confronting each other.
On the other hand probably within this timeling the Supreme Council intentionally would create such constructs in 'complicated' regions to prevent republics from having their own united political will. Probably that was the reasoning behind creating the Elbrus Repulic as well. On the other hand the loyal republics like Abkhazia were fine as they were.
I was a bit mistaken about Zaporozhia. The Russian name of the region is Zeporozhie, the Ukrainian name is Zaporozhzhya, both have rozh in them. While Zaporizhzhya (with rizh) is the Ukrainian name of a city located there (while its Russian name coincides with the name of the region). So there is no point to have rizh there no matter what language you take it from.
Hellerick Flag of Divnogorsk.svg 05:09, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

New Republics.

Thank you for your additional feedback, and do forgive me for the delayed response (I had a mind crash and needed a break). I've uploaded a new map, and I look forward to any additional input you may have.

I was completely unaware that Russia had former oblasts. This really does help me to justify these internal changes. It could be easily said that these oblasts were re-established for the new republics. I'm also tempted to re-establish many of these former oblasts to be used within the new republics.

After thinking about it for a few days, I think it might be too complicated to change the borders of Belarus and Ukraine. I envision the republics of Russia to have established themselves around the mid 1990s, while Belarus and Ukraine wouldn't become a part of Russia until years later. I believe the "hassle" of reincorporating these region would be of more concern, with the novelty of redrawing their boundaries not being that big of a concern. I also have doubts that the Don Republic (which would've been established well before the Donbass is reincorporated) would willingly allow half of its territory to go to another republic, as well as Belarusians voting to join a neighboring Russian republic. So I believe I'll keep the former international boundaries as they are (at least for now).

Rather confusing when republics are being named after cities. For the new map, I simply named this republic using the Russian spelling (Zaporozhie). Now I'm curious as to whether a better name could exist for the Smolensk Republic. Also, is it safe to say that the "Ob Republic" is a workable name? -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 21:21, November 25, 2015 (UTC)

About Ob: Truth be told "Обская Республика" or "Приобская Республика" don't sound too natural. I was trying to find a good name for the Ob Republic, and the best I could come up with was Baraba (Барабинская Республика) -- after a Tatar minority living in the region.
About Smolensk: I suggest to revive the term "Black Rus" (Чернорусь, Чернорусская Республика). Despite what's written in the English article this name could denote very different territories, sometimes even whole Greater Russia (as opposed to Lithuanian-dominated Belarus and Ukraine), but normally it was somewhere around Belarus. I think Chernorus could be a good pair for Belarus.
Some notes I recieved from a forum where I published your map:
  • The Bashkirs don't consider the Bulgars their ancestors and wouldn't agree to be called after them.
  • In modern sense "Meshshera" acrually means a region much closer to Moscow. Something like Ryazan-Vladimir-Moscow tri-oblast area.
    • This republic very closely resembles the Volga-Vyatka (Волго-вятский) economic region of the Soviet Union. The name could be used but it sounds a bit bureaucratic.
  • The Far East region unites the territories which in fact are hardly connected to each other. It's suggested to be split it into southern and northern halves (Okhotsk Rayon, Magadan, Chukotka, and Kamchatka should belong to the North, while everything else to the South).
    • The southern region could be called Primorie. And for the North I suggest the name Shelikhov (Шелиховская Республика) after the Shelikhov Gulf, which in its turn is named after Grigory Shelikhov, who organized the first exploring and commercial expeditions into the region.
Hellerick Flag of Divnogorsk.svg 18:28, November 26, 2015 (UTC)

Once again, thank you and your forum friends.

Maybe it's because I'm English, but I personally love the sound of the "Ob Republic," mostly because it sounds so unique compared to the norm (reminds me of Jupiter's moon, Io). But now that you've mentioned it, I rather like the name Baraba. But doing a quick Google search, I came across this. Does that word happen to mean the same thing in Russian? If so, would this be of concern if adopted?

I'm very pleased that you brought up the name Chernarus, though I initially thought it referred to the westernmost portions of Belarus (I'm to assume this is what you were referring to within the English article). I'm currently using this name for a Polish ASSR in the New Union timeline, so I'm not too sure I want to use it under a differing context here. But I'll keep the name in mind and we'll see if it grows on me.

I always thought the name Bulgaristan was a broader term used by the Turkic-speaking peoples of Idel-Ural (never crossed me that it was exclusively used by the Tatars). But in a last ditch effort to salvage this name, it should be noted that ethnic Tatars outnumbered the Bashkirs in Bashkortostan prior to the 2000s (according to the 1989 and 2002 censuses). If democratically selected, my guess would be that the Tatar majority (of this new republic) would favor the name Bulgaristan. I also find this name to be a better alternative to Idel-Ural, which I believe is a broader term to refer to all the republics of this region (including both Finnic and Turkic peoples). But this sounds too silly, than I'll change the name to Idel-Ural.

Not too sure what to say about Meshchera (accidents happen). If the name refers to the Moscow-Ryzan-Vladimir region... why not use this name instead of Vladimir-Suzdal? As for the republic with Nizhny Novgorod, I originally suggested the name Vyatka (after the river), though I can see how this would be undesirable. One alternative I just thought of could be that both republics are named Meshchera, but divided into an eastern (Nizhny Novogord) and western (Moscow) republic. Not too sure what this would sound to you.

I find it very funny that you'd propose naming one of the republics after Shelikhov. However, there's a big problem with this. The name is already taken by one of Alaska's governorates (I guess you forgot). Personally, I think the name Kamchatka would work just fine, as this name was historically used for the entire region (not just the peninsula). But unfortunately, I just don't see any reason to split this region off from the south. The main reason is demographics, in which only 500,000 living in the area (just barely smaller than the population of Wyoming). Let me know what your position is upon reading this. If it's that important, I'm more than willing to make an exception here. -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 03:54, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

I think you'd find interesting this recently uploaded map.
It shows the division of the Soviet Union into Sovnarkhoz regions (regional economic council districts) in 1963. The purpose and result is quite similar to yours. — Hellerick Flag of Divnogorsk.svg 01:00, December 17, 2015 (UTC)

A Question

I was looking for more information about the Xibe language. 


I noticed in Wikipedia there are info for a Cyrillic version of the Xibe Manchu dialect. I wanted to know more about that. This might help NuclearVacuum too in his Russian America timeline.

General tiu (talk) 06:19, February 7, 2016 (UTC)

I am afraid all we have on this subject in Russia are few books written in Chinese. — Hellerick Flag of Divnogorsk.svg 11:24, February 7, 2016 (UTC)

Dear Hellerick,

I have seen your

Flag of the United Nations of Venus

As you know it is international womens day next week.

I am the chair of a local resident's association in London and we would like to fly a flag to celebrate and promote the day and yours is the best we have seen.

We would like to get it printed as a flag to fly on our flag pole (see @SPRA_W6 for some of the flags we fly) - is that ok?

We need to know today (1 March) in order to get the flag made in time for next week (8 March 2016)

Please let me know. Steve steveaskins@btconnect.com 09:45, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

Let's See If This Will Work Out

Long time no see. I do hope you have been doing well.

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I've been reworking on the Russian republics and I would love to get your input. Firstly, thank you so much for bringing to my attention the sovnarkhozes. Reading about them really helped me out and gave me hopes and idea for my republics.

Here are the key differences from my previous version.

  • The separation of "Kamchatka" from Primorye. I've taken your advice and included the Okhotsky District within this republic. The choice of this name is strictly based on the historic boundaries of the Kamchatka Oblast (under the Russian Empire).
  • I've chosen the name "Vasyuganye" (Васюганье) for the republic which includes Novosibirsk. This name is attributed to several features within these three oblasts (a ravine and a swamp).
  • I've expanded Middle Ural to include Udmurtia.
  • I've expanded Pomorye to include the eastern portions of the Vologda Oblast.
  • I completely redrew the republic which borders Moscow and Saint Petersburg. It now includes all of the cities of the Golden Ring and other areas north of Moscow. I've named this republic Zalesye (Залесье).
  • The smaller republic to the southeast of Moscow I've decided to rename Podmoskovye (Подмосковье). I'm not completely attached to this name, so it can easily be renamed Ryazan (Рязань) if needed.
  • For the republic centered around Smolensk, I've decided to name it Krivia (Кривия). The name is in reference to the Krivichs who used to live in the area (whose area was named Krivia). I've also decided to include the Vitebsk Oblast within this republic.
  • After thinking about it, I will include the [historic] Kamensk Oblast into the Donets Republic. What remains of the Rostov Oblast will be merged with its southern neighbors to form a Cossack Republic.
  • I'm also considering the expansion of "Zaporozhye" to include Nikolaev, Oddessa, and the PMR. This larger republic would be named "Novorossiya" (Новороссия).

I'm also considering the separation of Vladivostok as its own federal city. Other than that, everything remains the same from my previous versions. I do hope you like this. I look forward to seeing what you have to say. -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 20:46, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry for the late answer. I had shown your map on several sites expecting some feedback, but unfortunately there was hardly anything useful.
In general the map looks good.
There was an opinion that Perm and Yekaterinburg wouldn't be able to live together, and that Perm and Udmurtia should rather be united with Kirov.
So, here is an idea: Kirov, Udmurtia, Perm are united into the Kama (?) Republic (or Great Permia, in which case it would probably require Komi to join as well). Yekaterinburg, Chelyablinsk, Kurgan and the Orsk sector of the Orenburg Oblast form the Ural Republic. The rest of Orenburg joins Burtas. I don't mean that it would be much better, just a possibility to think about.
As expected, some people aren't that much excited about Vasyuganye being named after a swamp.
One person said that the Kolyma and Indigirka basin should be transfered from Sakha to Kamchatka. But he's a bit of a "Magadan nationalist", so probably he shouldn't taken seriously.
Vladivostok as a federal city is an interesting idea. Maybe we should try this in OTL.
Some spelling inconsistencies: -ье is rendered sometimes as -ye (Podmoskovye) and sometimes as -ie (Chernozemie); -ия as -ia (Ossetia) and -iya (Novorossiya).
Hellerick Flag of Divnogorsk.svg 17:00, April 30, 2016 (UTC)

No worries. I always appreciate the amount of time you take to receive feedback from others and to be back to me with more detail than you would've on your own. So thank you for this.

Thank you for the feedback on Perm and Sverdlovsk. I see no issue with redrawing the boundaries here a little. This would definitely help those republics as they are no longer divided by the Ural Mountains. The only issue I have would be having the Ural-based Orenburg joining the Volga-based Burtas. But this opposition is extremely minor to the point of not being an issue at all. All-in-all, these boundaries look alright with me.

As a Floridian, I'm not too sure how to take the "swamp opposition" remarks. XP Joking aside, I can understand the regional opposition. I've decided to go back to the name "Baraba" for the republic, which is also the name of the lowlands for the region (more or less).

I've been playing around with Vladivostok being a federal city in New Union and it should work great here as well. Boosting the economy and reorienting some of it to the growing Asian markets. In the long run, better for Siberians and Russians as a whole. Surprised Putin never implemented this idea OTL.

Yeah, sorry about the names. Those ending in "-ье" were just based on the spelling used on [English] Wikipedia. As for "Novorossiya", the English article on it [sadly] goes by that spelling. With all the news happening there, this spelling just stuck, so I've somewhat got used to it over the years. But I agree that it should be translated "Novorossia" (grammatically better). -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 19:09, May 2, 2016 (UTC)

Re:Metalnikov's map

Thank you so much for bringing this to my attention. Please also thank Maxim for me. His map looks absolutely amazing.

In regards to feedback, I do see several "mistakes" (for lack of a better word). For instance, the borders of Alaska are way off. I also see several border mistakes, though many of them appear to be based on recent changes that I've made. Other than that, the rest of his map is canonically correct and beautiful.

I also noted a few additions that he's made. Notably in Pakistan and Syria. If these were not simple mistakes, I would love to hear his backstory and reasoning for them.

I would love to have him collaborate if he so wishes to (the more the merrier). You can also let him know that he is more than welcome to use my maps as a base for his own work (if he hasn't already). I look forward to hearing from him.

Once again, Hellerick, thank you for bringing this to my attention. ^_^ -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 03:20, October 9, 2016 (UTC)

Do forgive me for the delayed response.
The updated map looks fantastic. There are still a few border corrections which should be done. Would Maxim be okay if I game him a list of the areas in question? I don't wish to be rude or otherwise overwhelm. As for any typos, I haven't noticed anything. I'd also like to add that I'm very impressed at his lever of MS Paint.
The reason I asked about Pakistan is because the two areas within it were colored differently. Though this is merely aesthetics, so nothing to worry about (just wanted to make sure). In regards to Syria, I was simply curious as to why Maxim chose to have Lebanon included within it. Though this could've simply been a simple mistake, I just wanted to see if he had any ideas.
I will also add that I'm playing around with a scenario for Syria for this timeline. It involves the survival of Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq and here he (or one of his sons) launches a proxy-war against Iranian interests in Syria during their civil war. It'd essentially be Saddam taking the place of ISIS in this timeline, with a pro-Iraqi Ba'athist government fighting against a Russo-Iranian-backed Assad government. I haven't refined it enough to say whether or not I will canonize it in the future.
I also like to assure Maxim that I'd have no issues with any of his language skills (I'm an American and I can't even speak English properly ;D). That being said, I also have no issue with you [Hellerick] being the middle man in this conversation. Regardless, I still look forward with anything you both have to offer. -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 20:50, October 14, 2016 (UTC)

Lol, I'm very happy that you asked [about his name]. For this timeline, all of the people mentioned are actual people from OTL. I've researched all of their ancestries in order to determine their alternate realities. Because I'm dealing with actual people, I made the decision to simply Russify their English/Spanish names (as opposed to creating random ones). So English "John" becomes Russian "Ivan" (and so on). This rule also applies to surnames (for the most part).

In regards to "Gervasy Yunson," this would be the alternate reality of OTL's Gary Johnson (a former governor and current presidential candidate). His father is of Scandinavian descent, with the name "Johnson" being both an English and Scandinavian surname. Because Russian is more phonetic than in English, his surname would be translated into Russian as Юнсон (which is the Scandinavian pronunciation). As for his first name, the English "Gary" has no Russian equivalent. When this happens, I try to find a Russian name of similar meaning or sound. The name Гервасий seemed to fit both in both categories (at least from what I've been able to find). I'm aware that the name "Gervasy" is not widely used today, but I believe Alaskans may have differing naming choices compared to their Russian brethren. The same is true between American naming choices verses British and other Commonwealth countries. I do hope this explains everything.

Please tell Maxim that I love his singular Alaska and Russia maps. I did notice one error with his map. The office of "Vice President" doesn't exist in Alaska (similar to Mexico). Instead, Diana Feinstein is titled the "Chairman of the Senate" (Председатель Сената), which is essentially the speaker of Alaska's upper house of congress. Other than that, everything looks great.

I also intend to post a full list of errors I've noticed with Maxim's map. I will post them within the next few days and I will include timeline details and future ideas for him. As always, he's more than welcome to suggest further ideas if he would like (through you, of course). You both take care. -- NuclearVacuum Currently Active Timeline 03:46, October 16, 2016 (UTC)

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